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The highly anticipated encounter of the two presidents went better, much better than anybody predicted. There was a lot of anxiety, and expectations were low as heavy rain clouds, especially after Trump’s visit to Warsaw where he obediently repeated the Cold War platitudes dictated by his minders. Trump had been sent off to Hamburg by Washington establishment with warnings a convent novice gets before an unfortunate but unavoidable meeting with a Don Juan. They didn’t trust the inexperienced youngster, and insisted he should speak with Vlad only in presence of grown ups, like Auntie Fiona (Hill) or Uncle HR (McMaster), well known for their aversion to Russians.

They warned him that, short of a nuclear strike, every other reaction will be considered betrayal of the Shining City upon a Hill. Every neocon and Cold Warrior in the West gave his advice to the President, how should he humiliate Putin and put him on his place, below the salt. They actually didn’t allow Trump to have a proper meeting with Putin, with full agenda, advisers and ministers, preferably a few days long, in a Camp David format or similar. But they failed profoundly.

The meeting on the margins of G-20 had become the central event, while G-20 became a meeting on the margins of Putin-Trump summit. When Donald and Vlad had met, there was no stopping: a great sympathy they had felt for each other manifested itself in every smile. At the beginning, Putin had been quite reserved; he steeled himself to a possible rejection, to a possible affront, even to insult. But Trump skilfully put him at ease.

Instead of planned thirty minutes, they spoke for over two hours; even an attempt by Trump’s wife to restrain her husband wasn’t crowned with success. They just could not tear themselves apart. After a few hard months of enforced separation by the self-appointed duennas, the pals were together, at last.

The Western media, trying its damnedest to cause ill feeling between the two men, spoke of Putin’s victory, of the Russian becoming the boss, the top dog. A typical reaction was that of the liberal Center for American Progress Action Fund, which declared that Trump had “just unilaterally surrendered to Russia”. They hoped that vain Trump would be upset at being bettered by Vlad. We shall not join their legion by ceding victory to Putin. Both won, and we won with them.

At such an event, one can hardly expect real tangible results. The results need more time. Creating conditions for future work together would suffice. And still there were some achievements.

I’d suggest you watch the long but rewarding film “Putin Interviews” by Oliver Stone as prolegomena to the meeting reports. In the film, Stone asks Putin about accusations of cyber-meddling in the US elections, and Putin gives a full explicit answer. He said that he had offered President Obama a treaty on cyber security, properly describing what the states can, and can’t do in cyberspace to each other.

Obama did not take the offered ball, for the US felt it had vast superiority in the field, and didn’t want to give the advantage away. “According to an unnamed senior intelligence official with the US government, the Obama administration has penetrated Russia’s electric grid, telecommunications networks and the Kremlin’s command systems. The purported hack means that critical parts of Russia’s infrastructure are now vulnerable to attack by secret American cyber weapons”, reported Australian news agency.

Indeed complaints of “Russian hackers” sound false, bearing in mind that NSA spies against everybody in the world, including Russia. Millions of Russian calls are intercepted by the American secret services annually, as Snowden told us. The idea of drafting and concluding a treaty forbidding offensive hacking is a good and timely one. At the meeting in Hamburg, President Trump agreed with that, and the presidents decided to appoint a bilateral commission to sort it out and to prepare the treaty. It will be good for all the nations, not only for Americans and Russians, as NSA spied even on American allies like Mme Merkel.

The treaty should also deal with really dangerous viruses, like Stuxnet that was unleashed against Iran, and its newer versions like WannaCry. Julian Assange provided us with the provenance of the viruses: they are from the NSA collection of tools, and they already caused mayhem from Russian banks to British hospitals. The NSA factory of viruses should be brought under control by the treaty.

Interference in elections is also a valid point addressed by the two presidents. Not the silly story of Russian interference in the last American elections, but the very real one of American interference in the elections in Russia, France and elsewhere. President Trump apparently agreed that it should be covered by the treaty and stopped. Professional Cold Warriors were alarmed: how can you compare Russian meddling with our Western pro-democracy drive! That reminds me of an old Jewish joke, preceding World War One: – Let us go and kill some Turks! – And what if they will kill us? – Why would they? We didn’t wrong them!

“How can you compare” is a favourite Jewish cliché, frequently used if you compare a killed Jew and a killed Palestinian. I never could understand it. If it is ok for the US to meddle in Russian elections, why can’t Russians meddle in the US elections? Perhaps the two presidents will agree to cease meddling, but I won’t bet my socks on it.

They made a move forward in Syria, too, by approving the agreement prepared by their teams in Amman, Jordan. For a first time, this agreement contains a declaration in favour of the territorial integrity of one, undivided Syria; this is an important Russian achievement. If carried out, the agreement will bring a ceasefire to South-Western Syria, in the area adjacent to Jordanian border and to the Israeli armistice line on the Golan Heights.

ORDER IT NOW

In a surprising move, President Trump agreed that the area would be patrolled by Russian military police. This suggestion had been hotly argued against by the Israelis. Despite their frequent visits to Moscow, they really trust only the US. There should be American troops on the ground in Syria, and no Russian troops close to our lines are acceptable, said Israeli politicians. If indeed Russian military police will patrol the area, the Israelis will eat a big fat frog.

There is an additional nuance: the Russian military police in Syria have been staffed with Chechens, who are good fighters, Muslim by faith, and devoted to President Putin – though he fought them, defeated them, and brought them back under Kremlin rule. There was a time when the enemies of Russia would profess their love of Chechens, but not anymore. Now their own leader Ramzan Kadyrov, the son of their previous rebel president and a former rebel himself is a strong supporter of Putin, and a subject of a hate campaign by Western liberals – and by Russian nationalists. Placement of Chechens in the military police in Syria is a success of Putin’s national policies, especially relevant in the light of a new development.

This week, the Russian authorities blocked public access to the Russian far right nationalist site Sputnik and Pogrom, as you can read in the column of my worthy colleague Anatoly Karlin. It’s got its name from (allegedly) the only two Russian words that have entered English dictionaries. They are Nazi sympathisers, like the Ukrainian nationalists, and that is not a popular view in Russia, which bore the brunt of fight with Nazis. Their chief editor published a column on June 22, saying that every good Russian was happy when the Germans invaded their country.

They are also extreme anti-Communists, and this is also not too popular a view in Russia. This site had been established with help of Western secret services to sow discord between Russian citizens of different ethnic origin, just like the US-sponsored Radio Liberty did in the Soviet days, and the Germans during the war it, too. They do instigate hostility between Russians and Ukrainians, between Russians and the people of the Caucasus.

Typically for such political organisations, despite the site’s name (pogrom was, after all, an anti-Jewish riot), they are quite pro-Jewish and fervently pro-Zionist. Otherwise, the IA wouldn’t dare support them. However, they always have something bad to say about Putin (they hate him) and the Chechens and their leader.

Now we see that Putin was right in encouraging the Chechens to fight for Russia. It is indeed a good idea to use Sunni Muslims as a police force in this heavily Sunni Muslim area being liberated from ISIS, and Chechens are known as fierce fighters that nobody wants to mess with. It is better to have them on the side of Moscow than on the side of its enemies, and it is definitely worth while to block the Sputnik and Pogrom, leaving moral considerations aside.

The two presidents spoke about North Korea. Some years ago, Russians had supported sanctions against DPRK (Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, the official name of North Korea), and the Americans had no problem in passing a sanctions-enforcing resolution in the Security Council. Not anymore. Last month, the Russians made a radical shift on Korea. Now they are strongly against sanctions likely to economically strangle the country and definitely against military action there. So, the Russian position has become quite close to the North Korean one, surprisingly more so than that of the Chinese, although Chinese trade with Korea dwarfs the Russian trade. If the Americans want the North Koreans to stop their nuclear tests, Putin said to Trump, they should refrain from carrying out large-scale military exercises. The Russians also want to encourage North-South dialogue. Such dialogue had been very successful and popular in its time, but then the US interfered in South Korean elections and blocked pro-dialogue politicians. The Northern rulers, however, would like the dialogue to resume with unification of Korea in mind. The Russians and their Chinese allies object greatly to the American THAAD missile defence system being installed in South Korea.

On Ukraine, the presidents agreed to establish a special bilateral channel of communications between the US special envoy and his Russian counterpart. They also confirmed their faith in the Minsk agreements, and this is an important diplomatic achievement for the Russians. However, these agreements did not prevent Kiev troops shelling the cities of Donbass.

To sum it up, Putin and Trump managed to save the day, despite all odds. Their immediate achievements are indeed modest, but they established the ground for progress. Future steps will depend mainly on Trump’s ability to withstand the pressure, to set himself free from his minders. He is the first American president experiencing such a continuous media onslaught, and he still stands. It seems that his advisers urge him to surrender to his enemies in the media and in the congress, but he is a stubborn man. He also discovered that in Vladimir Putin, he can have a real friend and partner.

The world has changed: in 1980s, the Russians were happy that their leader, Mikhail Gorbachev, had met with Ronald Reagan and that he was admired and lionised by Western media. They thought it natural that Gorbachev admires Reagan. Then, the Western support was a real asset for a Russian politician. Gorbachev came to power in aftermath of Margaret Thatcher’s blessing.

Now, the Russians are happy that they have a leader who can withstand any pressure, a leader who is admired for his strength. If he is hated in the West, they feel he is doing something right. Probably the Western media, if they want to undermine Putin, should begin to sing him dithyrambs.

Israel Shamir can be reached at adam@israelshamir.net

This article was first published at The Unz Review.

 
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  1. Neocon plans for worldwide nuclear war have ended. Whatever one thinks of Trump, he gets credit for that. Per the Oliver Stone interview, from my blog, which has links to more:

    Jun 27, 2017 – Anti-Putin Propaganda

    The effort to demonize Russia’s President has reached absurd levels. President Putin grants interviews, only to have NBC News edit out parts that show him reasonable. Comedian Stephen Colbert has become a key propagandist for the establishment. Award winning film director Oliver Stone produced a long interview with Putin. He was invited to appear on Colbert’s Late Show to discuss it. Colbert proceeded to lambast Stone for being too nice to Putin. Stone was confused and asked Colbert if he had watched the interview. Colbert admitted that he had not, which means he was just reading teleprompted criticisms fed by CBS propagandists. 

    When Colbert promoted the lie that Russia interfered in the election, Stone challenged Colbert with “Israel had far more involvement in the U.S. election than Russia. Why don’t you ask me about that?” Don’t look for the exchange with Colbert on YouTube. CBS deleted it from its broadcast and website.

    An “analyst” at Newsweek published an article about this interview, in which he smeared Stone with a childish rant that included:”In the dreadful final installment of Stone’s dire Putin Interviews, a quadripartite display of boot-licking by the increasingly deranged director.” …Earlier in the week, he informed The Nation that he thought the intelligence had been “cooked” by American agencies. The statement would have been astonishing if made by someone with credibility or dignity. Stone has been evidently disburdened of both. …Stone, looking like he’d recently woken from a nap, jowls sagging like his reputation, listened somberly to this preposterous explanation. Stone has been roundly criticized for treating Putin with adulation and failing to perform the interviewer’s basic task, which is to ask difficult questions. Stone has also been accused of anti-Semitism, though Putin is unlikely to have known that.”

    I was shocked at such hatred and unprofessionalism at Newsweek, and commenters on the website thought so too. That level of smearing belongs at third rate websites written by angry idiots. Why did Newsweek editors allowed this garbage in their website? It must be required by their neocon owners.

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    • Replies: @jacques sheete

    That level of smearing belongs at third rate websites written by angry idiots.
     
    Well what do you expect from corporate media? They've been spewing sensationalist garbage and outright lies for years, so it's not exactly news.

    Note the date.:

    “There are laws to protect the freedom of the press's speech, but none that are worth anything to protect the people from the press.”

    “It seems to me that just in the ratio that our newspapers increase, our morals decay. The more newspapers the worse morals. Where we have one newspaper that does good, I think we have fifty that do harm. We ought to look upon the establishment of a newspaper of the average pattern in a virtuous village as a calamity.”

    “It has become a sarcastic proverb that a thing must be true if you saw it in a newspaper. That is the opinion intelligent people have of that lying vehicle in a nutshell. But the trouble is that the stupid people--who constitute the grand overwhelming majority of this and all other nations--do believe and are moulded and convinced by what they get out of a newspaper, and there is where the harm lies.”

    “That awful power, the public opinion of a nation, is created in America by a horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditching and shoemaking and fetched up in journalism on their way to the poorhouse.”

    - Mark Twain "License of the Press" speech, 1873
     

    Also note that Twain wasn't just making wisecracks; he had worked in the newspaper b̶u̶s̶i̶n̶e̶s̶s̶ racket. Paul Craig Roberts, an assistant editor at the WSJ, makes similar points.
    , @macilrae
    Most excellent commentary.
    , @CanSpeccy
    You provide an excellent exposé of Newsweek, etc., but you reveal remarkable innocence in being "shocked at such hatred and unprofessionalism..." Newsweek is propaganda, Time Magazine is propaganda, the Economist, the NY Times and all the rest of the media are propaganda. That's what the media are for: to ram corporate and corporate-owned-government lies down you throat, by means of hate speech and whatever other journalistically unprofessional means of mind control are deemed effective.
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  2. Indeed, that the planned half hour became two hours and sixteen minutes, may be the event that changed the world since Roosevelt came to power.
    But it is no more than a symbol, a symbol of that the USA, like GB after WWI, can no longer control the world.
    GB learned this lesson the hard way, through a world war that made them poor, as some British said after 1945 ‘we won the war, but lost the peace’.
    Let us hope that the USA, and the world, does not have to suffer the probable last world war, in order to see reality.

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  3. Ron Paul interviews Oliver Stone

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    • Replies: @Z-man
    Good find thanks.
    Stone is good but he still pulls his punches on the Cabal. He is of Hollywood after all.
  4. Now their own leader Ramzan Kadyrov, the son of their previous rebel president and a former rebel himself is a strong supporter of Putin, and a subject of a hate campaign by Western liberals – and by Russian nationalists. Placement of Chechens in the military police in Syria is a success of Putin’s national policies

    Kadyrov and his Chechens are loyal to Putin personally. They are not loyal to Russia though: Russian federal laws do not work in Chechnya, the republic practices polygamy and a hardline Islamic dress-code for women, Kadyrov himself clashed with Russian law-enforcement agencies on numerous occasions.

    Don’t you see the problem here, Shamir? Putin is mortal, and there is no guarantee that his successor will get along with Chechen warlord.

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    You have a point, a valid one. However, it is slightly more complex--for years Chechens were calling for lifting of the ban on them serving in Russia's Armed Forces. Recently this ban was lifted. Serving in Armed Forces is a broader set of responsibilities and loyalties since it is to Russia as a state, as a nation. But yes, you do have a valid point.
    , @truthtellerAryan
    Yes, they will. Chechnya is part of Russia, but not the other way around. If you're going to rule people in their territory , and they are not immigrants to that land, you have to accept their culture, language, and customs. What bothers you about polygamy that doesn't seem to have the same effect as in pornography, homos, Mormons, cuckolds, orgies...and other filths in our "Western Civilization"....
    BTW, the Canadians can't seem to come up with any reason to outlaw polygamy, I can't think of one either, considering all, much worse filth that are allowed or tolerated in the civilized world
    , @Israel Shamir
    Putin is mortal, and so is Kadyrov. So many things in our world are transient, but meanwhile it works fine. Keeping hands off internal Chechen affairs is the best idea of Putin's policy. This is a possible pilot for other Muslim states and statelets joining Russian Federation. Perhaps, Qatar?))
  5. Kristallnacht is back in Germany. Hamburg, what a mess.

    But by Progzis who support Globalism’s agenda of open borders and invasions of all nations by marauding masses.

    Why would any nation want open borders to scum like Black Block Antifa? They are the ISIS of Europe.

    A sane nation will keep out Muslim barbarians, African savages, and white radicals.

    Antifa call for open borders, but their behavior is proof of why borders are important. Does any nation want Antifa hooligans to pour across the border to make trouble?

    Antifa was there to protest capitalism, but both capitalism and proglodyte radicalism have one thing in common: open borders and all-pervasive invasions.

    US military wants to invade across any border.
    Third World mobs want to invade rich nations.
    Corporations want to invade economically and culturally and spread homomania and hollywood into every country.

    Also, as capitalism and US militarism are too powerful, the antifa’s effectiveness is limited to attacking & intimidating patriots and rightists who oppose globalism. To that extent, antifa are useful bottom-feeding scum tools of the globalist capitalists. Antifa cannot attack Sergey Brins, Bloombergs, Bill Gates, Koch Brothers, and etc of the world, but they can beat up local patriots and silence them.

    Soros calls for ‘open society’, as if the only options are ‘open society’ and ‘closed society’.

    In fact, a sane society is open to trade, ideas, information, news, and innovation while also securing borders to maintain demographic, cultural, and territorial integrity.

    The real conflict is between Open-Borders-Society and Open-Trade-and-Ideas-Society.
    Soros calls for Open Borders, recipe for destruction of nations.

    Soros wants people’s minds closed to the noble ideas of ethnos, culture, and territory. He wants minds closed to needs of survival and security. He wants minds open to surrender and suicide.

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    • Replies: @Che Guava
    Soros is more than that.

    In his distant early teens, a Nazi collaborator. I am not to saying that is a terrible thing in itself, they were our allies, and helped in some ways.

    He, though, is an exemplar of false consciousness, he has been convicted of insider trading, I have no doubt that his immense profit from the 'run on the pound' was also insider trading, a very dirty character, many more examples.

    The sooner he is shuffling off this mortal coil, the better for humanity in general.
    , @Wally
    "Kristallnacht is back in Germany".

    Surely you mean the reaction by Germans to the assassination of a German diplomat by a communist Jew that is over stated / hyped by the Zionist controlled media, 'academia'.
  6. The MSM only turned on Russia when it ceased being putty in the hands of Western-controlled oligarchs who were siphoning off all of Russians’ wealth. Putin is not “our guy” so we must never try to work with him. What’s hard to understand here?

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  7. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Israel wanted American troops on the ground in the STOLEN Golan–instead of Chechens–so they could use their ISIS assets to attack the Americans, then have their MSM scream that it was Syrians or Iranians or Lebanese and we just have to go and ‘Shock and Awe’ Syria or Iran while Israel finishes ‘cleaning’ out the West Bank.

    The same trick they used when they attacked the USS Liberty, the Marine Barracks in Lebanon, the USS Cole and the WTC on 9/11.

    Israel is NOT our friend or ally, it is our worst enemy.

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  8. The main result of this meeting is that both respect each other and can talk to each other which might prove important. But as for now Trump does not control his team, government and departments hence I do not hold my breath and am pessimistic regarding positive results anywhere. I am actually expecting monkey wrenches now in all points of possible cooperation from Syria to Ukraine.

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  9. @Carlton Meyer
    Neocon plans for worldwide nuclear war have ended. Whatever one thinks of Trump, he gets credit for that. Per the Oliver Stone interview, from my blog, which has links to more:

    Jun 27, 2017 - Anti-Putin Propaganda

    The effort to demonize Russia's President has reached absurd levels. President Putin grants interviews, only to have NBC News edit out parts that show him reasonable. Comedian Stephen Colbert has become a key propagandist for the establishment. Award winning film director Oliver Stone produced a long interview with Putin. He was invited to appear on Colbert's Late Show to discuss it. Colbert proceeded to lambast Stone for being too nice to Putin. Stone was confused and asked Colbert if he had watched the interview. Colbert admitted that he had not, which means he was just reading teleprompted criticisms fed by CBS propagandists. 

    When Colbert promoted the lie that Russia interfered in the election, Stone challenged Colbert with “Israel had far more involvement in the U.S. election than Russia. Why don’t you ask me about that?” Don’t look for the exchange with Colbert on YouTube. CBS deleted it from its broadcast and website.

    An "analyst" at Newsweek published an article about this interview, in which he smeared Stone with a childish rant that included:"In the dreadful final installment of Stone's dire Putin Interviews, a quadripartite display of boot-licking by the increasingly deranged director." ...Earlier in the week, he informed The Nation that he thought the intelligence had been “cooked” by American agencies. The statement would have been astonishing if made by someone with credibility or dignity. Stone has been evidently disburdened of both. ...Stone, looking like he’d recently woken from a nap, jowls sagging like his reputation, listened somberly to this preposterous explanation. Stone has been roundly criticized for treating Putin with adulation and failing to perform the interviewer’s basic task, which is to ask difficult questions. Stone has also been accused of anti-Semitism, though Putin is unlikely to have known that."

    I was shocked at such hatred and unprofessionalism at Newsweek, and commenters on the website thought so too. That level of smearing belongs at third rate websites written by angry idiots. Why did Newsweek editors allowed this garbage in their website? It must be required by their neocon owners.

    That level of smearing belongs at third rate websites written by angry idiots.

    Well what do you expect from corporate media? They’ve been spewing sensationalist garbage and outright lies for years, so it’s not exactly news.

    Note the date.:

    “There are laws to protect the freedom of the press’s speech, but none that are worth anything to protect the people from the press.”

    “It seems to me that just in the ratio that our newspapers increase, our morals decay. The more newspapers the worse morals. Where we have one newspaper that does good, I think we have fifty that do harm. We ought to look upon the establishment of a newspaper of the average pattern in a virtuous village as a calamity.”

    “It has become a sarcastic proverb that a thing must be true if you saw it in a newspaper. That is the opinion intelligent people have of that lying vehicle in a nutshell. But the trouble is that the stupid people–who constitute the grand overwhelming majority of this and all other nations–do believe and are moulded and convinced by what they get out of a newspaper, and there is where the harm lies.”

    “That awful power, the public opinion of a nation, is created in America by a horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditching and shoemaking and fetched up in journalism on their way to the poorhouse.”

    - Mark Twain “License of the Press” speech, 1873

    Also note that Twain wasn’t just making wisecracks; he had worked in the newspaper b̶u̶s̶i̶n̶e̶s̶s̶ racket. Paul Craig Roberts, an assistant editor at the WSJ, makes similar points.

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  10. Z-man says:
    @Priss Factor
    Ron Paul interviews Oliver Stone

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4DjcvbTyLc

    Good find thanks.
    Stone is good but he still pulls his punches on the Cabal. He is of Hollywood after all.

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  11. macilrae says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Neocon plans for worldwide nuclear war have ended. Whatever one thinks of Trump, he gets credit for that. Per the Oliver Stone interview, from my blog, which has links to more:

    Jun 27, 2017 - Anti-Putin Propaganda

    The effort to demonize Russia's President has reached absurd levels. President Putin grants interviews, only to have NBC News edit out parts that show him reasonable. Comedian Stephen Colbert has become a key propagandist for the establishment. Award winning film director Oliver Stone produced a long interview with Putin. He was invited to appear on Colbert's Late Show to discuss it. Colbert proceeded to lambast Stone for being too nice to Putin. Stone was confused and asked Colbert if he had watched the interview. Colbert admitted that he had not, which means he was just reading teleprompted criticisms fed by CBS propagandists. 

    When Colbert promoted the lie that Russia interfered in the election, Stone challenged Colbert with “Israel had far more involvement in the U.S. election than Russia. Why don’t you ask me about that?” Don’t look for the exchange with Colbert on YouTube. CBS deleted it from its broadcast and website.

    An "analyst" at Newsweek published an article about this interview, in which he smeared Stone with a childish rant that included:"In the dreadful final installment of Stone's dire Putin Interviews, a quadripartite display of boot-licking by the increasingly deranged director." ...Earlier in the week, he informed The Nation that he thought the intelligence had been “cooked” by American agencies. The statement would have been astonishing if made by someone with credibility or dignity. Stone has been evidently disburdened of both. ...Stone, looking like he’d recently woken from a nap, jowls sagging like his reputation, listened somberly to this preposterous explanation. Stone has been roundly criticized for treating Putin with adulation and failing to perform the interviewer’s basic task, which is to ask difficult questions. Stone has also been accused of anti-Semitism, though Putin is unlikely to have known that."

    I was shocked at such hatred and unprofessionalism at Newsweek, and commenters on the website thought so too. That level of smearing belongs at third rate websites written by angry idiots. Why did Newsweek editors allowed this garbage in their website? It must be required by their neocon owners.

    Most excellent commentary.

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  12. Their chief editor published a column on June 22, saying that every good Russian was happy when the Germans invaded their country.

    Could you please give us a link to this article? Thanks.

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Okay, I think I found the article in question, which was published on June 22 5 years ago when SiP was still the personal LiveJournal blog of Prosvirnin.

    http://rpczmoskva.org.ru/russko-sovetskaya-vojna/egor-prosvirnin-tot-beskonechnyj-letnij-den.html

    It was also later deleted as it doesn't appear on the current SiP anywhere, only as reprints on other blogs.

    It is indeed a very bad article, he is not incorrect in his assertion that the Bolsheviks were a bunch of demented (and largely non-Russian) criminals who ruled through terror, but claiming that the Nazi invasion was the return of "White Europe" to Russia is of course ridiculous and absurd. That said, Prosvirnin has evolved as a writer and thinker since then, so it's not exactly fair to brand the modern SiP with its dozens of contributors as a Nazi resource based on one article its chief editor wrote half a decade ago (and deleted).
    , @jilles dykstra
    Nicholas Bethel, ´Das letzte Geheimnis, Die Auslieferung russischer Fluchtlinge an die Sovjets durch die Allierten 1944-47’, 1975 Frankfurt am Main, ( The last secret. Forcible repatriation to Russia 1944-7, London, 1974)

    The book is about the Russians who fought with the Germans against Stalin, were deported by force to a certain death in Russia and Siberia, by Churchill and Roosevelt.
    Many committed suicide.

    Henning von Vogelsang, ‘Die Armee, die es nicht geben durfte, Russen in deutscher Uniform und ihre Rettung in Liechtenstein’, 1995 Ulm-Kissleg

    Russians in German uniforms, who escaped deportation after the war to Stalin, in Liechtenstein.
  13. @Anatoly Karlin

    Their chief editor published a column on June 22, saying that every good Russian was happy when the Germans invaded their country.
     
    Could you please give us a link to this article? Thanks.

    Okay, I think I found the article in question, which was published on June 22 5 years ago when SiP was still the personal LiveJournal blog of Prosvirnin.

    http://rpczmoskva.org.ru/russko-sovetskaya-vojna/egor-prosvirnin-tot-beskonechnyj-letnij-den.html

    It was also later deleted as it doesn’t appear on the current SiP anywhere, only as reprints on other blogs.

    It is indeed a very bad article, he is not incorrect in his assertion that the Bolsheviks were a bunch of demented (and largely non-Russian) criminals who ruled through terror, but claiming that the Nazi invasion was the return of “White Europe” to Russia is of course ridiculous and absurd. That said, Prosvirnin has evolved as a writer and thinker since then, so it’s not exactly fair to brand the modern SiP with its dozens of contributors as a Nazi resource based on one article its chief editor wrote half a decade ago (and deleted).

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov

    It is indeed a very bad article, he is not incorrect in his assertion that the Bolsheviks were a bunch of demented (and largely non-Russian) criminals who ruled through terror, but claiming that the Nazi invasion was the return of “White Europe” to Russia is of course ridiculous and absurd.
     
    Bolsheviks of 1918-22 and "Bolsheviks" of 1941 were two very different entities but, reading such hacks as Prosvirnin or Solzhenitsyn will hardly help in understanding a reality. Majority (not all) premises of what current so called "Russian nationalists" (altogether a bizarre definition) operate upon are either extremely badly informed or are false altogether. Empirical evidence is already here among it is an unrelenting, well pronounced vector towards so called "left"(Soviet, socialist, however one wants to describe them) economic ideas--a social and political demand for which is huge.
    , @Mulegino1
    Fall Barbarossa was not a return of white Europe to its Russian environs but a preemptive response to the enormous invasion force being assembled by the USSR at the western frontiers of the USSR for a massive invasion of Europe.

    This preemptive response came in the wake of Molotov's last meetings with Hitler and Ribbentrop in Berlin in 1940 in which Molotov insisted that the Germans accept the reoccupation of Finland, the annexation of Bukovina (they had already annexed Bessarabia and the Baltic States and invaded Poland and Finland) not to mention a move on the Dardanelles.

    It will be noted that, on June 22 of 1941, the vast bulk of the Soviet forces were deployed in offensive formations in the Biyalistok and Lvov salients. The most powerful military ground force in the world, the 9th Rifle Army, was deployed along the Romanian border within easy reach of the Romanian oil fields. Had the Red Army seized those oil fields, the Wehrmacht would have been left without any fuel within a period of two weeks, and Europe would have been left left defenseless against the Soviet tsunami.

    From the surreptitiously recorded Hitler-Mannerheim conversation it is made clearly manifest that Hitler knew that Fall Barbarossa was a huge gamble and that the German Army was not equipped to fight a long war of attrition, especially given that the German war machinery was not designed to fight a long war of attrition in the harsh winter conditions of Soviet Russia. Fall Barbarossa was not a mad power grab for "Lebensraum" , it was a desperate preemptive strike to forestall a massive invasion of Europe.
  14. Agent76 says:

    Jul 9, 2017 PUTIN AND TRUMP FINALLY MEET – Positive Future Ahead

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  15. schmenz says:

    Of course, and right on cue, those two lard-heads Ms Lindsey Graham and senile McCain stormed the Sunday talk shows denouncing the Putin/Trump meeting.

    https://www.rt.com/usa/395844-senators-slam-trump-russia-cybersecurity/

    Those two creeps really need to be behind bars.

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    Of course, and right on cue, those two lard-heads Ms Lindsey Graham and senile McCain stormed the Sunday talk shows denouncing the Putin/Trump meeting.
     
    'Nuts' McCain and Linda Graham should be put in a barrel and thrown over the Falls. To be bipartisan add 'Up Chuck' Schumer and that new guy, the pencil necked California hit man Adam Shiff, who comes across as such an earnest American (wink), to that list. Being a merciful Christian they can all have their own barrel and quietly contemplate their sins and errors.
  16. What exactly in the body of work published by “Sputnik i Pogrom” qualifies them as “Nazi Sympathizers”?

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    Would like to know that as well.

    For instance, here are the texts that Roskomnadzor actually had a "problem" with:

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/russia/74224/why-because/

    One example:

    В статье «Киргизам опять подарили 240 млн долларов русских денег» указано следующее: «К тому же РФ сильно виновата перед киргизами. Скинхэды из РФ довели простого парня из города Ош Акбарджона Джалилова до самоподрыва в метро».
     
    Translation: In the article "The Kyrgyz again got a gift of $240 million Russian money" it says the following: "The Russian Federation has sinned against the Kyrgyz. Russian skinheads forced a simple guy from the town of Osh, Akbardzhon Djalilov, to blow himself up in the metro." (This is in reference to the SPB metro terrorist attack).

    Which social/ethnic group, exactly, is this supposed to "insult"? Russian skinheads? /s

    By this criteria, The Unz Review would have been long blocked in the United States and half its contributors would be sitting in jail (probably including Israel himself).
  17. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    There’s a lot of hope floating around this meeting and one hopes it’s a step in the right direction. It’s too early to tell what the eventual results will be. Many are pessimistic, pointing out how the US has it’s own inner momentum that can’t be turned around by just one man, Trump, who is surrounded on all sides by those wishing to thwart him. The US may have locked itself into it’s current trajectory of stealthy expansionism, bit by bit, and can’t be deterred by those seeking to stop this march towards world domination. After all, one has to look at the utter ruthlessness of US policy. The US is a country that has had no hesitation in implementing policies that have in fact killed millions of people worldwide and ruined the lives of many more millions, turning them into orphans and homeless refugees. This is on a par with all the other infamous ogres of history yet the US shamelessly lies and presents it as being beneficial to the victims. Can a meaningful agreement be made with a country as aggressive as the US? The US can’t be trusted and the Russians must know that. Perhaps as in the German-Soviet agreement both sides will be playing for time until the preordained showdown. Neither Trump nor Putin will be in power in ten years. Can Trump spawn a group of followers that will carry on with the idea of defusing the hostility towards the Russians or will that leave when he does?

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  18. @Anatoly Karlin
    Okay, I think I found the article in question, which was published on June 22 5 years ago when SiP was still the personal LiveJournal blog of Prosvirnin.

    http://rpczmoskva.org.ru/russko-sovetskaya-vojna/egor-prosvirnin-tot-beskonechnyj-letnij-den.html

    It was also later deleted as it doesn't appear on the current SiP anywhere, only as reprints on other blogs.

    It is indeed a very bad article, he is not incorrect in his assertion that the Bolsheviks were a bunch of demented (and largely non-Russian) criminals who ruled through terror, but claiming that the Nazi invasion was the return of "White Europe" to Russia is of course ridiculous and absurd. That said, Prosvirnin has evolved as a writer and thinker since then, so it's not exactly fair to brand the modern SiP with its dozens of contributors as a Nazi resource based on one article its chief editor wrote half a decade ago (and deleted).

    It is indeed a very bad article, he is not incorrect in his assertion that the Bolsheviks were a bunch of demented (and largely non-Russian) criminals who ruled through terror, but claiming that the Nazi invasion was the return of “White Europe” to Russia is of course ridiculous and absurd.

    Bolsheviks of 1918-22 and “Bolsheviks” of 1941 were two very different entities but, reading such hacks as Prosvirnin or Solzhenitsyn will hardly help in understanding a reality. Majority (not all) premises of what current so called “Russian nationalists” (altogether a bizarre definition) operate upon are either extremely badly informed or are false altogether. Empirical evidence is already here among it is an unrelenting, well pronounced vector towards so called “left”(Soviet, socialist, however one wants to describe them) economic ideas–a social and political demand for which is huge.

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    Sure, they are certainly different - for instance, a Jewish-Latvian terrorist band got replaced by a Georgian one - but they are comparably evil and totalitarian.

    For that matter, the NEP period was much better than what came before or after.
  19. @Anatoly Karlin

    Their chief editor published a column on June 22, saying that every good Russian was happy when the Germans invaded their country.
     
    Could you please give us a link to this article? Thanks.

    Nicholas Bethel, ´Das letzte Geheimnis, Die Auslieferung russischer Fluchtlinge an die Sovjets durch die Allierten 1944-47’, 1975 Frankfurt am Main, ( The last secret. Forcible repatriation to Russia 1944-7, London, 1974)

    The book is about the Russians who fought with the Germans against Stalin, were deported by force to a certain death in Russia and Siberia, by Churchill and Roosevelt.
    Many committed suicide.

    Henning von Vogelsang, ‘Die Armee, die es nicht geben durfte, Russen in deutscher Uniform und ihre Rettung in Liechtenstein’, 1995 Ulm-Kissleg

    Russians in German uniforms, who escaped deportation after the war to Stalin, in Liechtenstein.

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  20. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @Carlton Meyer
    Neocon plans for worldwide nuclear war have ended. Whatever one thinks of Trump, he gets credit for that. Per the Oliver Stone interview, from my blog, which has links to more:

    Jun 27, 2017 - Anti-Putin Propaganda

    The effort to demonize Russia's President has reached absurd levels. President Putin grants interviews, only to have NBC News edit out parts that show him reasonable. Comedian Stephen Colbert has become a key propagandist for the establishment. Award winning film director Oliver Stone produced a long interview with Putin. He was invited to appear on Colbert's Late Show to discuss it. Colbert proceeded to lambast Stone for being too nice to Putin. Stone was confused and asked Colbert if he had watched the interview. Colbert admitted that he had not, which means he was just reading teleprompted criticisms fed by CBS propagandists. 

    When Colbert promoted the lie that Russia interfered in the election, Stone challenged Colbert with “Israel had far more involvement in the U.S. election than Russia. Why don’t you ask me about that?” Don’t look for the exchange with Colbert on YouTube. CBS deleted it from its broadcast and website.

    An "analyst" at Newsweek published an article about this interview, in which he smeared Stone with a childish rant that included:"In the dreadful final installment of Stone's dire Putin Interviews, a quadripartite display of boot-licking by the increasingly deranged director." ...Earlier in the week, he informed The Nation that he thought the intelligence had been “cooked” by American agencies. The statement would have been astonishing if made by someone with credibility or dignity. Stone has been evidently disburdened of both. ...Stone, looking like he’d recently woken from a nap, jowls sagging like his reputation, listened somberly to this preposterous explanation. Stone has been roundly criticized for treating Putin with adulation and failing to perform the interviewer’s basic task, which is to ask difficult questions. Stone has also been accused of anti-Semitism, though Putin is unlikely to have known that."

    I was shocked at such hatred and unprofessionalism at Newsweek, and commenters on the website thought so too. That level of smearing belongs at third rate websites written by angry idiots. Why did Newsweek editors allowed this garbage in their website? It must be required by their neocon owners.

    You provide an excellent exposé of Newsweek, etc., but you reveal remarkable innocence in being “shocked at such hatred and unprofessionalism…” Newsweek is propaganda, Time Magazine is propaganda, the Economist, the NY Times and all the rest of the media are propaganda. That’s what the media are for: to ram corporate and corporate-owned-government lies down you throat, by means of hate speech and whatever other journalistically unprofessional means of mind control are deemed effective.

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  21. “President” Dump, prior to Hamburg, did make a lot of anti-Russian inflammatory insults. That can of course, and has indeed already, been twisted by saying he had to, to appease the Ziocons, to keep them off his back. But why?

    Isn’t he supposed to be (around here) a great independent statesman? For how long is Russia expected to accept groundless accusations, backstabbings and insults? Tillerson, like a wet fox, went directly after Hamburg (after having praised the meeting) to the US client state (NATO protectorate) of Banderastan/ukraine, to encourage the blood-soaked US imposed Nazi regime there, by promising that the sanctions warfare against Russia will remain until Crimea is handed back and Russians are out of the ukraine.

    The first mentioned will of course never happen and the second, he failed to provide any evidence of Russians being there, assuming he meant Russians from Russia proper and not Novorossiyans or people living under the US imposed Nazi regime who refer themselves as Russians.

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  22. @Felix Keverich

    Now their own leader Ramzan Kadyrov, the son of their previous rebel president and a former rebel himself is a strong supporter of Putin, and a subject of a hate campaign by Western liberals – and by Russian nationalists. Placement of Chechens in the military police in Syria is a success of Putin’s national policies
     
    Kadyrov and his Chechens are loyal to Putin personally. They are not loyal to Russia though: Russian federal laws do not work in Chechnya, the republic practices polygamy and a hardline Islamic dress-code for women, Kadyrov himself clashed with Russian law-enforcement agencies on numerous occasions.

    Don't you see the problem here, Shamir? Putin is mortal, and there is no guarantee that his successor will get along with Chechen warlord.

    You have a point, a valid one. However, it is slightly more complex–for years Chechens were calling for lifting of the ban on them serving in Russia’s Armed Forces. Recently this ban was lifted. Serving in Armed Forces is a broader set of responsibilities and loyalties since it is to Russia as a state, as a nation. But yes, you do have a valid point.

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  23. Talha says:

    the Israelis will eat a big fat frog

    LOL! Mr. Shamir – that is awesome! I thought only Mr. Dinh had a playful way with words like this – I love it!

    There is an additional nuance: the Russian military police in Syria have been staffed with Chechens…Chechens are known as fierce fighters that nobody wants to mess with.

    Music to my ears! If Israel tries any cross-border shenanigans, hopefully the Chechens will make them eat more than just “fat frog”. Can’t believe Putin was able to pull off that concession – something tells me that imperial fatigue is setting in for Uncle Sam.

    This hearkens back to olden times when tough, hardy soldiers from the Caucasus region often supplied the martial man-power for the Levant (sometimes even taking it over politically).

    Brilliant move by Putin to use a well-known traditional Sunni people for this kind of thing. Hopefully, they’ll do some cross-training of the Syrians in order to get them better field-ready.

    Peace.

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  24. Che Guava says:
    @Priss Factor
    Kristallnacht is back in Germany. Hamburg, what a mess.

    But by Progzis who support Globalism's agenda of open borders and invasions of all nations by marauding masses.

    Why would any nation want open borders to scum like Black Block Antifa? They are the ISIS of Europe.

    A sane nation will keep out Muslim barbarians, African savages, and white radicals.

    Antifa call for open borders, but their behavior is proof of why borders are important. Does any nation want Antifa hooligans to pour across the border to make trouble?

    Antifa was there to protest capitalism, but both capitalism and proglodyte radicalism have one thing in common: open borders and all-pervasive invasions.

    US military wants to invade across any border.
    Third World mobs want to invade rich nations.
    Corporations want to invade economically and culturally and spread homomania and hollywood into every country.

    Also, as capitalism and US militarism are too powerful, the antifa's effectiveness is limited to attacking & intimidating patriots and rightists who oppose globalism. To that extent, antifa are useful bottom-feeding scum tools of the globalist capitalists. Antifa cannot attack Sergey Brins, Bloombergs, Bill Gates, Koch Brothers, and etc of the world, but they can beat up local patriots and silence them.

    Soros calls for 'open society', as if the only options are 'open society' and 'closed society'.

    In fact, a sane society is open to trade, ideas, information, news, and innovation while also securing borders to maintain demographic, cultural, and territorial integrity.

    The real conflict is between Open-Borders-Society and Open-Trade-and-Ideas-Society.
    Soros calls for Open Borders, recipe for destruction of nations.

    Soros wants people's minds closed to the noble ideas of ethnos, culture, and territory. He wants minds closed to needs of survival and security. He wants minds open to surrender and suicide.

    Soros is more than that.

    In his distant early teens, a Nazi collaborator. I am not to saying that is a terrible thing in itself, they were our allies, and helped in some ways.

    He, though, is an exemplar of false consciousness, he has been convicted of insider trading, I have no doubt that his immense profit from the ‘run on the pound’ was also insider trading, a very dirty character, many more examples.

    The sooner he is shuffling off this mortal coil, the better for humanity in general.

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    Soros has 2 sons and many Jewish operatives in his foundations. They will continue his work when he dies. In the US there are ADL, ACLU, AJC, SPLC and many other Jewish organizations. Some are more than 100 years old and expanding their influence and power.
  25. Mulegino1 says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Okay, I think I found the article in question, which was published on June 22 5 years ago when SiP was still the personal LiveJournal blog of Prosvirnin.

    http://rpczmoskva.org.ru/russko-sovetskaya-vojna/egor-prosvirnin-tot-beskonechnyj-letnij-den.html

    It was also later deleted as it doesn't appear on the current SiP anywhere, only as reprints on other blogs.

    It is indeed a very bad article, he is not incorrect in his assertion that the Bolsheviks were a bunch of demented (and largely non-Russian) criminals who ruled through terror, but claiming that the Nazi invasion was the return of "White Europe" to Russia is of course ridiculous and absurd. That said, Prosvirnin has evolved as a writer and thinker since then, so it's not exactly fair to brand the modern SiP with its dozens of contributors as a Nazi resource based on one article its chief editor wrote half a decade ago (and deleted).

    Fall Barbarossa was not a return of white Europe to its Russian environs but a preemptive response to the enormous invasion force being assembled by the USSR at the western frontiers of the USSR for a massive invasion of Europe.

    This preemptive response came in the wake of Molotov’s last meetings with Hitler and Ribbentrop in Berlin in 1940 in which Molotov insisted that the Germans accept the reoccupation of Finland, the annexation of Bukovina (they had already annexed Bessarabia and the Baltic States and invaded Poland and Finland) not to mention a move on the Dardanelles.

    It will be noted that, on June 22 of 1941, the vast bulk of the Soviet forces were deployed in offensive formations in the Biyalistok and Lvov salients. The most powerful military ground force in the world, the 9th Rifle Army, was deployed along the Romanian border within easy reach of the Romanian oil fields. Had the Red Army seized those oil fields, the Wehrmacht would have been left without any fuel within a period of two weeks, and Europe would have been left left defenseless against the Soviet tsunami.

    From the surreptitiously recorded Hitler-Mannerheim conversation it is made clearly manifest that Hitler knew that Fall Barbarossa was a huge gamble and that the German Army was not equipped to fight a long war of attrition, especially given that the German war machinery was not designed to fight a long war of attrition in the harsh winter conditions of Soviet Russia. Fall Barbarossa was not a mad power grab for “Lebensraum” , it was a desperate preemptive strike to forestall a massive invasion of Europe.

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  26. @siberiancat
    What exactly in the body of work published by "Sputnik i Pogrom" qualifies them as "Nazi Sympathizers"?

    Would like to know that as well.

    For instance, here are the texts that Roskomnadzor actually had a “problem” with:

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/russia/74224/why-because/

    One example:

    В статье «Киргизам опять подарили 240 млн долларов русских денег» указано следующее: «К тому же РФ сильно виновата перед киргизами. Скинхэды из РФ довели простого парня из города Ош Акбарджона Джалилова до самоподрыва в метро».

    Translation: In the article “The Kyrgyz again got a gift of $240 million Russian money” it says the following: “The Russian Federation has sinned against the Kyrgyz. Russian skinheads forced a simple guy from the town of Osh, Akbardzhon Djalilov, to blow himself up in the metro.” (This is in reference to the SPB metro terrorist attack).

    Which social/ethnic group, exactly, is this supposed to “insult”? Russian skinheads? /s

    By this criteria, The Unz Review would have been long blocked in the United States and half its contributors would be sitting in jail (probably including Israel himself).

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    I noticed this article, too. This article surely intends to sour relations between Kyrgyzstan and Russia, and antagonise Kyrgyz community in Russia. Russia invests in K, and has a big military base there. K strategically located and is a friendly state; there are tens of thousands of K guest workers driving Moscow taxis etc. Perhaps some Russian nationalists think it is a good thing, but in my view this is sabotage of the Russian state policy.
    Speaking about the same criteria: not really. I am not in jail, and my writing is available to Russians. The US equivalent of SiP would be a magazine for English-origin community centred on New England made by KKK, not the Unz Review.
    As for referencing some Nazi stuff in SiP: I have no time to look for it, and it is behind paywall. I am not an avid reader of the mag, but I looked into it a few times and noticed such stuff many times. Five years ago is not a long time, and I am not aware that Prosvirnin changed his views. They were also for Bandera thugs during Ukrainian maidan - until they decided (or it was decided for them) that they will cause more damage to Russia by stressing disappointment over Donbass.
    Sorry, Anatoly: I consider them a tool in the Russia's enemies' hands, not sincere people. Sincere rightwinger and nationalist wouldn't support the Jewish state.
  27. @Andrei Martyanov

    It is indeed a very bad article, he is not incorrect in his assertion that the Bolsheviks were a bunch of demented (and largely non-Russian) criminals who ruled through terror, but claiming that the Nazi invasion was the return of “White Europe” to Russia is of course ridiculous and absurd.
     
    Bolsheviks of 1918-22 and "Bolsheviks" of 1941 were two very different entities but, reading such hacks as Prosvirnin or Solzhenitsyn will hardly help in understanding a reality. Majority (not all) premises of what current so called "Russian nationalists" (altogether a bizarre definition) operate upon are either extremely badly informed or are false altogether. Empirical evidence is already here among it is an unrelenting, well pronounced vector towards so called "left"(Soviet, socialist, however one wants to describe them) economic ideas--a social and political demand for which is huge.

    Sure, they are certainly different – for instance, a Jewish-Latvian terrorist band got replaced by a Georgian one – but they are comparably evil and totalitarian.

    For that matter, the NEP period was much better than what came before or after.

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    For that matter, the NEP period was much better
     
    "Better" is not a historic or scientific category, it is also not a valid argument. Here is one, with each chapter starting with description of myths, now debunked and discredited by any respectable historian or industry professional.

    http://www.xliby.ru/istorija/10_mifov_sovetskoi_strany/p5.php

    While discussing Russian peasantry without, say works by Prudnikova, is altogether a waste of time.

    P.S. I was born in early 1960s and can testify to the fact that most of my life (as well as tens of millions of my peers) in USSR was lived in conditions which were on several orders of magnitude "better" than any NEP could ever produce. This is not to speak of this very NEP undeniably losing to Third Reich in upcoming WW II, which would put the possibility of me being born into this world into huge doubt.
  28. @Mulegino1
    Fall Barbarossa was not a return of white Europe to its Russian environs but a preemptive response to the enormous invasion force being assembled by the USSR at the western frontiers of the USSR for a massive invasion of Europe.

    This preemptive response came in the wake of Molotov's last meetings with Hitler and Ribbentrop in Berlin in 1940 in which Molotov insisted that the Germans accept the reoccupation of Finland, the annexation of Bukovina (they had already annexed Bessarabia and the Baltic States and invaded Poland and Finland) not to mention a move on the Dardanelles.

    It will be noted that, on June 22 of 1941, the vast bulk of the Soviet forces were deployed in offensive formations in the Biyalistok and Lvov salients. The most powerful military ground force in the world, the 9th Rifle Army, was deployed along the Romanian border within easy reach of the Romanian oil fields. Had the Red Army seized those oil fields, the Wehrmacht would have been left without any fuel within a period of two weeks, and Europe would have been left left defenseless against the Soviet tsunami.

    From the surreptitiously recorded Hitler-Mannerheim conversation it is made clearly manifest that Hitler knew that Fall Barbarossa was a huge gamble and that the German Army was not equipped to fight a long war of attrition, especially given that the German war machinery was not designed to fight a long war of attrition in the harsh winter conditions of Soviet Russia. Fall Barbarossa was not a mad power grab for "Lebensraum" , it was a desperate preemptive strike to forestall a massive invasion of Europe.

    Long debunked nonsense.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    But you cannot debunk it, only claim it is debunked. Laughable.

    Get the facts at:
    'Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack'
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999

    But then you are same hypocrite who routinely attempts to fortify his weak arguments in his www.unz.com articles with references to the impossible '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers', but then allows no response to his false citations.
    Because you have no chance in a real debate.

    The impossible 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    Only Liars Want Censorship
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Anatoly Karlin logic:


    "One should not ask, how this mass murder was made possible. It was technically possible, because it happened. This has to be the obligatory starting-point for any historical research regarding this topic. We would just like to remind you: There is no debate regarding the existence of the gas chambers, and there can never be one."

    - endorsed by 34 "reputable historians" and published in the French daily Le Monde on February 21, 1979
     

  29. Mulegino1 says:

    Sorry, but there is no other way to explain the vast encirclement of the Army groups, the unprecedented netting of prisoners (in the hundreds of thousands), or the destruction of virtually the entire front echelon air force on its tarmacs during the first 24 hours of Barbarossa. The Red Army was caught at its most vulnerable- staging for an offensive action- and suffered the consequences of being preempted. The Red Army was hardly a “paper tiger” and its mettle was proved in the courageous defense of the Brest Fortress – Hitler insisted that the heroic Red Army defenders of Brest were to treated well (even if the Soviets would never reciprocate).

    Tell me- if Stalin had had his forces deployed in defensive positions- had he not destroyed the Stalin Line and its vast and impenetrable defenses – how could the outgunned and outnumbered Wehrmacht have sliced through the first Soviet echelon like a hot knife through butter? The Wehrmacht had inferior armor, and their artillery was virtually all horse drawn.

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    Sorry, but there is no other way to explain the vast encirclement of the Army groups, the unprecedented netting of prisoners (in the hundreds of thousands), or the destruction of virtually the entire front echelon air force on its tarmacs during the first 24 hours of Barbarossa. The Red Army was caught at its most vulnerable- staging for an offensive action- and suffered the consequences of being preempted.
     
    Yeah, no. That's mostly wrong, what you've written above. In the year before Barbarossa, the USSR had deployed troops and weapons to the Baltic states and eastern Poland, which were of course the areas hit first by the Nazis, being as they were on the border. But there's no reason to assume that the presence of troops and materiel in these areas is unusual. There was a war going on, and it only makes sense for a country to have its borders better secured.

    The Red Army was hardly a “paper tiger” and its mettle was proved in the courageous defense of the Brest Fortress – Hitler insisted that the heroic Red Army defenders of Brest were to treated well (even if the Soviets would never reciprocate).
     
    Whether you know it or not you're actually trumpeting Soviet propaganda here. The Brest Fortress fell in seven days, and its defense wasn't particularly robust.

    Tell me- if Stalin had had his forces deployed in defensive positions- had he not destroyed the Stalin Line and its vast and impenetrable defenses – how could the outgunned and outnumbered Wehrmacht have sliced through the first Soviet echelon like a hot knife through butter?
     
    Maybe because they abandoned the Stalin line for the Molotov line further east but had not yet finished it, considering it was only a year between redeployment and Barbarossa?

    The Wehrmacht had inferior armor, and their artillery was virtually all horse drawn.
     
    Patently untrue. The Wehrmacht was among the first motorized armies.
  30. @Anatoly Karlin
    Sure, they are certainly different - for instance, a Jewish-Latvian terrorist band got replaced by a Georgian one - but they are comparably evil and totalitarian.

    For that matter, the NEP period was much better than what came before or after.

    For that matter, the NEP period was much better

    “Better” is not a historic or scientific category, it is also not a valid argument. Here is one, with each chapter starting with description of myths, now debunked and discredited by any respectable historian or industry professional.

    http://www.xliby.ru/istorija/10_mifov_sovetskoi_strany/p5.php

    While discussing Russian peasantry without, say works by Prudnikova, is altogether a waste of time.

    P.S. I was born in early 1960s and can testify to the fact that most of my life (as well as tens of millions of my peers) in USSR was lived in conditions which were on several orders of magnitude “better” than any NEP could ever produce. This is not to speak of this very NEP undeniably losing to Third Reich in upcoming WW II, which would put the possibility of me being born into this world into huge doubt.

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  31. @Anatoly Karlin
    Would like to know that as well.

    For instance, here are the texts that Roskomnadzor actually had a "problem" with:

    https://sputnikipogrom.com/russia/74224/why-because/

    One example:

    В статье «Киргизам опять подарили 240 млн долларов русских денег» указано следующее: «К тому же РФ сильно виновата перед киргизами. Скинхэды из РФ довели простого парня из города Ош Акбарджона Джалилова до самоподрыва в метро».
     
    Translation: In the article "The Kyrgyz again got a gift of $240 million Russian money" it says the following: "The Russian Federation has sinned against the Kyrgyz. Russian skinheads forced a simple guy from the town of Osh, Akbardzhon Djalilov, to blow himself up in the metro." (This is in reference to the SPB metro terrorist attack).

    Which social/ethnic group, exactly, is this supposed to "insult"? Russian skinheads? /s

    By this criteria, The Unz Review would have been long blocked in the United States and half its contributors would be sitting in jail (probably including Israel himself).

    I noticed this article, too. This article surely intends to sour relations between Kyrgyzstan and Russia, and antagonise Kyrgyz community in Russia. Russia invests in K, and has a big military base there. K strategically located and is a friendly state; there are tens of thousands of K guest workers driving Moscow taxis etc. Perhaps some Russian nationalists think it is a good thing, but in my view this is sabotage of the Russian state policy.
    Speaking about the same criteria: not really. I am not in jail, and my writing is available to Russians. The US equivalent of SiP would be a magazine for English-origin community centred on New England made by KKK, not the Unz Review.
    As for referencing some Nazi stuff in SiP: I have no time to look for it, and it is behind paywall. I am not an avid reader of the mag, but I looked into it a few times and noticed such stuff many times. Five years ago is not a long time, and I am not aware that Prosvirnin changed his views. They were also for Bandera thugs during Ukrainian maidan – until they decided (or it was decided for them) that they will cause more damage to Russia by stressing disappointment over Donbass.
    Sorry, Anatoly: I consider them a tool in the Russia’s enemies’ hands, not sincere people. Sincere rightwinger and nationalist wouldn’t support the Jewish state.

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    Persecuting people for their opinions on foreign relations is sick at the best of times, even if justifiable under certain narrow circumstances where national security is at stake (e.g. Finland censoring anti-Soviet literature during the Cold War), but it is especially so with respect to Russia's relationship with Kyrgzystan, a completely irrelevant country of 6 million people that Russia directly and indirectly subsidizes to the tune of billions of dollars are years (remittances equal something like a quarter of its GDP) for dubious benefit.

    Personally, I consider getting involved in Syria for the purposes of "helping Russia to get out of preoccupation with Ukraine" to be sabotage of Russian national interests - if that is indeed the reasoning for the Syria intervention, as you claim - but I am never going to campaign to put you in jail for your opinion, regardless of the regime in power in Russia. Though after your pronouncements I do find myself wondering whether you'd reciprocate in the event that I'm ever charged under Article 282.

    Steve Sailer (the blogger who accounts for half The Unz Review's traffic) would certainly be shut down by the criteria used to bar access to SiP. I say this as a regular reader of both. He too, after all, consistently undermines US (neocon) state policy and its relations with Europe and Saudi Arabia and the "Muslim community" in the US. For that matter, you would be shut down for undermining US state policy with respect to Israel, if the US had the same contempt for freedom of speech as Russia.

    I don't see why I as a Russian nationalist should have any beef with Israel. I don't care about them one way or the other. Nor for the Palestinians, who have been nothing but consistent at stabbing their supporters in the back. I know that you dislike Israel for reasons that I don't really understand that well but I just don't see why that should concern Russians. According to opinion polls, Israel isn't exactly loved in Russia, but it isn't disliked like the US, Germany, the EU, etc. either. Why, exactly, should we? Russia and Isarel have a visa free regime, even some military-industrial cooperation, Israel didn't join in Western sanctions against Russia. It certainly isn't a friend or an ally but why should we make it into an enemy to get one up on the Anglo-Zionists or whatever.
  32. Z-man says:
    @schmenz
    Of course, and right on cue, those two lard-heads Ms Lindsey Graham and senile McCain stormed the Sunday talk shows denouncing the Putin/Trump meeting.

    https://www.rt.com/usa/395844-senators-slam-trump-russia-cybersecurity/

    Those two creeps really need to be behind bars.

    Of course, and right on cue, those two lard-heads Ms Lindsey Graham and senile McCain stormed the Sunday talk shows denouncing the Putin/Trump meeting.

    ‘Nuts’ McCain and Linda Graham should be put in a barrel and thrown over the Falls. To be bipartisan add ‘Up Chuck’ Schumer and that new guy, the pencil necked California hit man Adam Shiff, who comes across as such an earnest American (wink), to that list. Being a merciful Christian they can all have their own barrel and quietly contemplate their sins and errors.

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  33. @Israel Shamir
    I noticed this article, too. This article surely intends to sour relations between Kyrgyzstan and Russia, and antagonise Kyrgyz community in Russia. Russia invests in K, and has a big military base there. K strategically located and is a friendly state; there are tens of thousands of K guest workers driving Moscow taxis etc. Perhaps some Russian nationalists think it is a good thing, but in my view this is sabotage of the Russian state policy.
    Speaking about the same criteria: not really. I am not in jail, and my writing is available to Russians. The US equivalent of SiP would be a magazine for English-origin community centred on New England made by KKK, not the Unz Review.
    As for referencing some Nazi stuff in SiP: I have no time to look for it, and it is behind paywall. I am not an avid reader of the mag, but I looked into it a few times and noticed such stuff many times. Five years ago is not a long time, and I am not aware that Prosvirnin changed his views. They were also for Bandera thugs during Ukrainian maidan - until they decided (or it was decided for them) that they will cause more damage to Russia by stressing disappointment over Donbass.
    Sorry, Anatoly: I consider them a tool in the Russia's enemies' hands, not sincere people. Sincere rightwinger and nationalist wouldn't support the Jewish state.

    Persecuting people for their opinions on foreign relations is sick at the best of times, even if justifiable under certain narrow circumstances where national security is at stake (e.g. Finland censoring anti-Soviet literature during the Cold War), but it is especially so with respect to Russia’s relationship with Kyrgzystan, a completely irrelevant country of 6 million people that Russia directly and indirectly subsidizes to the tune of billions of dollars are years (remittances equal something like a quarter of its GDP) for dubious benefit.

    Personally, I consider getting involved in Syria for the purposes of “helping Russia to get out of preoccupation with Ukraine” to be sabotage of Russian national interests – if that is indeed the reasoning for the Syria intervention, as you claim – but I am never going to campaign to put you in jail for your opinion, regardless of the regime in power in Russia. Though after your pronouncements I do find myself wondering whether you’d reciprocate in the event that I’m ever charged under Article 282.

    Steve Sailer (the blogger who accounts for half The Unz Review’s traffic) would certainly be shut down by the criteria used to bar access to SiP. I say this as a regular reader of both. He too, after all, consistently undermines US (neocon) state policy and its relations with Europe and Saudi Arabia and the “Muslim community” in the US. For that matter, you would be shut down for undermining US state policy with respect to Israel, if the US had the same contempt for freedom of speech as Russia.

    I don’t see why I as a Russian nationalist should have any beef with Israel. I don’t care about them one way or the other. Nor for the Palestinians, who have been nothing but consistent at stabbing their supporters in the back. I know that you dislike Israel for reasons that I don’t really understand that well but I just don’t see why that should concern Russians. According to opinion polls, Israel isn’t exactly loved in Russia, but it isn’t disliked like the US, Germany, the EU, etc. either. Why, exactly, should we? Russia and Isarel have a visa free regime, even some military-industrial cooperation, Israel didn’t join in Western sanctions against Russia. It certainly isn’t a friend or an ally but why should we make it into an enemy to get one up on the Anglo-Zionists or whatever.

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    Nor for the Palestinians, who have been nothing but consistent at stabbing their supporters in the back.
     
    whatever stabbing done nothing compared to uss liberty, 9-11 done by Israel. Tip of back stabbing of friends iceberg/continent.

    And you must care something for Israel since you only stabbed the Palestinians.

    My experience, Russia/Moscow/Putin don't have contempt for freedom of speech. The U.S./DC/media/pundits/Jewish orgs do in the fanatically insane extreme.

    Steve Sailor has/does what?

    You are creative aren't you.

    , @utu
    "Steve Sailer (the blogger who accounts for half The Unz Review’s traffic)...consistently undermines US (neocon) state policy and its relations with Europe and Saudi Arabia and the “Muslim community” in the US"

    He never undermines the most important tenet of the neocon policy which is the special role of Israel. Strange that you do not see it. Is it a willful blindness on your part? Or maybe not that strange when I think of your own predilections. Shamir is correct: "Sincere rightwinger and nationalist wouldn’t support the Jewish state." Your and Sailer's rightism are of similar ilk as that of Breivik, it seems. A position on Israel is always a pretty accurate litmus test.
    , @KA
    How has Russia made Israel an enemy ?
    ( By the way , one can suddenly find Israel becoming an enemy in case the universal rules applied to other countries or organizations when also applied to Israel )

    What Russia has done for Palestinian that is harmful to the existence of Israel ?

    Your assertions that Israel doesn't or hasn't harmed Russia - are you sure ? The entire Soviet period from 1970 is a classic case of success of American destructive and coercive policies directed against Soviet . Jackson - Vanik is one example . Did it benefit America ? Whose interest was harmed ? Who benefitted from it ? Who pushed for the legislation ? Why did they push for it ?

    Who was against detente and deescalation during 1970s? Who felt the security of Israel were at risk every time the prospect of peace would emerge ? Why did Jackson Scooper Boeing Democrat leave Democrat and join Reagan ?

    Where did those oligarch go after looting Russia ?

    Who financed and who supported the Checchen jihadist ?
    Who has been instigating anti Putin activities ? Who has been instrumental in creating Anti Russia environment ? Who instigated Georgian invasion ? What was the role of Israel in Gergia- Russia conflicts ?

    It is not Israel but it is the group within America that survives for the explicit purpose of working for the interest of Israel . We call them neocon .

    Your argument of Syria not being of any importance to the interest of Russia and is sabotage of Russian interest suggests that Russia is hurting itself by antagonizing US, Saudi , and Gulf . Ate you serious ? A Syria under the control of radicals will foment trouble for Russian federation, it will establish oil pipeline to EU and it will possibly remove Russian naval base . It will also offer itself as launching pad for attack on Iran .

    Can Russia ignore it ? It can if it is ready to be exploited as a junior partner in crimes and survive as a vassal.
    , @KA
    You may not care about Israel but Israel does . Have you seen the parade on the world stage by Israel regarding the sanction on Iran? What was the sanction about?
    What did the world have to suffer ?
    Yes ,it matters . Because we are talking of billions of dollars of business that countries could cement with Iran and billions of dollars of defensive military supplies that Russia could sell.

    Does Russia has any responsibility in particular? It has because it is a permanent veto wielding power . That power is not given for fun and self aggrandizement . It carries responsibility . In case of Iraq , Libya,Syria, and Iran it has tried to play the normal expected roles . For playing that role ,it has experienced Israeli pressure and wrath through US neocons and has suffered in billions of dollars worth of investment .
    , @JL

    in Syria for the purposes of “helping Russia to get out of preoccupation with Ukraine” to be sabotage of Russian national interests
     
    Mr. Shamir is clearly incorrect in this assessment. I heard, from a fairly well connected Russian journalist, of Russia's plans to militarily intervene in Syria in late Autumn of 2013. It sounded fantastic to me at the time, so I dismissed it as an unfounded rumor. But the journalist was right. Quite a bit of the geopolitical analysis I read is predicated on the incorrect assumption that the Syria intervention was meant to counteract the US aggression in the Ukraine. Indeed, it seems more likely that the US aggression in Ukraine was an opportunistic attempt to preempt Russia's action in Syria.
  34. Wally says: • Website
    @Priss Factor
    Kristallnacht is back in Germany. Hamburg, what a mess.

    But by Progzis who support Globalism's agenda of open borders and invasions of all nations by marauding masses.

    Why would any nation want open borders to scum like Black Block Antifa? They are the ISIS of Europe.

    A sane nation will keep out Muslim barbarians, African savages, and white radicals.

    Antifa call for open borders, but their behavior is proof of why borders are important. Does any nation want Antifa hooligans to pour across the border to make trouble?

    Antifa was there to protest capitalism, but both capitalism and proglodyte radicalism have one thing in common: open borders and all-pervasive invasions.

    US military wants to invade across any border.
    Third World mobs want to invade rich nations.
    Corporations want to invade economically and culturally and spread homomania and hollywood into every country.

    Also, as capitalism and US militarism are too powerful, the antifa's effectiveness is limited to attacking & intimidating patriots and rightists who oppose globalism. To that extent, antifa are useful bottom-feeding scum tools of the globalist capitalists. Antifa cannot attack Sergey Brins, Bloombergs, Bill Gates, Koch Brothers, and etc of the world, but they can beat up local patriots and silence them.

    Soros calls for 'open society', as if the only options are 'open society' and 'closed society'.

    In fact, a sane society is open to trade, ideas, information, news, and innovation while also securing borders to maintain demographic, cultural, and territorial integrity.

    The real conflict is between Open-Borders-Society and Open-Trade-and-Ideas-Society.
    Soros calls for Open Borders, recipe for destruction of nations.

    Soros wants people's minds closed to the noble ideas of ethnos, culture, and territory. He wants minds closed to needs of survival and security. He wants minds open to surrender and suicide.

    “Kristallnacht is back in Germany”.

    Surely you mean the reaction by Germans to the assassination of a German diplomat by a communist Jew that is over stated / hyped by the Zionist controlled media, ‘academia’.

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    You mean the calculated reaction of the Sturmabteilung to the assassination of a German diplomat by a religious Jew whose parents had been expelled from Germany a few days earlier.
  35. Wally says: • Website
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Long debunked nonsense.

    But you cannot debunk it, only claim it is debunked. Laughable.

    Get the facts at:
    ‘Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack’

    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999

    But then you are same hypocrite who routinely attempts to fortify his weak arguments in his http://www.unz.com articles with references to the impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’, but then allows no response to his false citations.
    Because you have no chance in a real debate.

    The impossible ‘holocaust’ storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    Only Liars Want Censorship
    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    Anatoly Karlin logic:

    “One should not ask, how this mass murder was made possible. It was technically possible, because it happened. This has to be the obligatory starting-point for any historical research regarding this topic. We would just like to remind you: There is no debate regarding the existence of the gas chambers, and there can never be one.”

    - endorsed by 34 “reputable historians” and published in the French daily Le Monde on February 21, 1979

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    Do you contribute anything else here except for full throated defense of violent Jew-hating fascists?
  36. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    "Kristallnacht is back in Germany".

    Surely you mean the reaction by Germans to the assassination of a German diplomat by a communist Jew that is over stated / hyped by the Zionist controlled media, 'academia'.

    You mean the calculated reaction of the Sturmabteilung to the assassination of a German diplomat by a religious Jew whose parents had been expelled from Germany a few days earlier.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    No, I mean the laughable and easily debunked exaggerated claims about 'Kristallnacht'.

    The Zionist Jew was a communist, he did kill a German diplomat.

    Pay attention, please.


    It is the quiet, uncritical acceptance of such tainted evidence that has turned the American media into the most gigantic lie factory in history.
     
    Deconstructing the Kristallnacht Myth
    http://nationalvanguard.org/2016/09/deconstructing-the-kristallnacht-myth/
    , @KA
    But it does raise the Chosenness to new level of consciousness. The collective punishment to the entire Palestinian because of some stone throwing by some Palestinian whose home has been demolished and whose entry recently has been blocked doesn't register in the minds of those establishment figures and entities who still remember the Kristalnavht as if it happened yesterday.
    Instead he or she is called Jihadist and is said to have been inspired by a perverted religion.
    , @skrik

    the calculated reaction ... to the assassination of a German diplomat by a religious Jew
     
    What??!

    Are you seriously suggesting, that "parents had been expelled from Germany" has the foreseeable result of the Jewish son assassinating someone?

    Wow.
  37. bjondo says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Persecuting people for their opinions on foreign relations is sick at the best of times, even if justifiable under certain narrow circumstances where national security is at stake (e.g. Finland censoring anti-Soviet literature during the Cold War), but it is especially so with respect to Russia's relationship with Kyrgzystan, a completely irrelevant country of 6 million people that Russia directly and indirectly subsidizes to the tune of billions of dollars are years (remittances equal something like a quarter of its GDP) for dubious benefit.

    Personally, I consider getting involved in Syria for the purposes of "helping Russia to get out of preoccupation with Ukraine" to be sabotage of Russian national interests - if that is indeed the reasoning for the Syria intervention, as you claim - but I am never going to campaign to put you in jail for your opinion, regardless of the regime in power in Russia. Though after your pronouncements I do find myself wondering whether you'd reciprocate in the event that I'm ever charged under Article 282.

    Steve Sailer (the blogger who accounts for half The Unz Review's traffic) would certainly be shut down by the criteria used to bar access to SiP. I say this as a regular reader of both. He too, after all, consistently undermines US (neocon) state policy and its relations with Europe and Saudi Arabia and the "Muslim community" in the US. For that matter, you would be shut down for undermining US state policy with respect to Israel, if the US had the same contempt for freedom of speech as Russia.

    I don't see why I as a Russian nationalist should have any beef with Israel. I don't care about them one way or the other. Nor for the Palestinians, who have been nothing but consistent at stabbing their supporters in the back. I know that you dislike Israel for reasons that I don't really understand that well but I just don't see why that should concern Russians. According to opinion polls, Israel isn't exactly loved in Russia, but it isn't disliked like the US, Germany, the EU, etc. either. Why, exactly, should we? Russia and Isarel have a visa free regime, even some military-industrial cooperation, Israel didn't join in Western sanctions against Russia. It certainly isn't a friend or an ally but why should we make it into an enemy to get one up on the Anglo-Zionists or whatever.

    Nor for the Palestinians, who have been nothing but consistent at stabbing their supporters in the back.

    whatever stabbing done nothing compared to uss liberty, 9-11 done by Israel. Tip of back stabbing of friends iceberg/continent.

    And you must care something for Israel since you only stabbed the Palestinians.

    My experience, Russia/Moscow/Putin don’t have contempt for freedom of speech. The U.S./DC/media/pundits/Jewish orgs do in the fanatically insane extreme.

    Steve Sailor has/does what?

    You are creative aren’t you.

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  38. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    But you cannot debunk it, only claim it is debunked. Laughable.

    Get the facts at:
    'Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack'
    http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999

    But then you are same hypocrite who routinely attempts to fortify his weak arguments in his www.unz.com articles with references to the impossible '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers', but then allows no response to his false citations.
    Because you have no chance in a real debate.

    The impossible 'holocaust' storyline is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted. That is why violent, racist, & privileged Jewish supremacists demand censorship. What sort of truth is it that crushes the freedom to seek the truth? Truth needs no protection from scrutiny.

    Only Liars Want Censorship
    The '6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers' are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the 'holocaust' scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Anatoly Karlin logic:


    "One should not ask, how this mass murder was made possible. It was technically possible, because it happened. This has to be the obligatory starting-point for any historical research regarding this topic. We would just like to remind you: There is no debate regarding the existence of the gas chambers, and there can never be one."

    - endorsed by 34 "reputable historians" and published in the French daily Le Monde on February 21, 1979
     

    Do you contribute anything else here except for full throated defense of violent Jew-hating fascists?

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    What I do is provide arguments and facts that you and those like you cannot refute.

    So then, your last desperate resort is to engage in personal attacks.

    Sorry, but you lose again.


    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."
    - Gerard Menuhin / Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     
    , @skrik

    violent Jew-hating fascists?
     
    Wrong word-order? Perhaps it should be:

    *Hating, violent, fascist Jews?*

    The evidence is [all the way] in; 50 years of premeditation following Herzl, concurrent with 50 years of unwelcome immigration = invasion by stealth, a trumped-up UN resolution 181 [*not* considered, let alone passed by UNSC = *not* law], then the aggressive attack by the invading aliens on the hapless ELO/Os = erstwhile legal owner/occupier Palestinians [*not* civil war but 'supreme international crime'], followed by 70+ years of murdering ethnic cleansing. Q: Tell us, Anon, is the hasbarist fee more or less than 30 shekels?

    Not so BTW, no worthwhile project needs a 'lie-screen.' Zs try to hide behind a multitude of lies.
  39. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @bjondo

    Nor for the Palestinians, who have been nothing but consistent at stabbing their supporters in the back.
     
    whatever stabbing done nothing compared to uss liberty, 9-11 done by Israel. Tip of back stabbing of friends iceberg/continent.

    And you must care something for Israel since you only stabbed the Palestinians.

    My experience, Russia/Moscow/Putin don't have contempt for freedom of speech. The U.S./DC/media/pundits/Jewish orgs do in the fanatically insane extreme.

    Steve Sailor has/does what?

    You are creative aren't you.

    Once more in English, please?

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    Nor for the Palestinians, who have been nothing but consistent at stabbing their supporters in the back.

    Whatever stabbing done nothing compared to USS Liberty and 9-11, both done by Israel. Those 2 stabs only the tip of backstabbing-of-friends-iceberg by the people of milk and honey and knives (blades soaked in poison).

    And you must care something for Israel since you only stabbed the Palestinians.

    My experience, Russia/Moscow/Putin don’t have contempt for freedom of speech. The U.S./DC/media/pundits/Jewish orgs do in the fanatically insane extreme.

    Steve Sailor has/does what?

    You are creative aren’t you.

    Enjoy, Mr. Anon.

  40. @Felix Keverich

    Now their own leader Ramzan Kadyrov, the son of their previous rebel president and a former rebel himself is a strong supporter of Putin, and a subject of a hate campaign by Western liberals – and by Russian nationalists. Placement of Chechens in the military police in Syria is a success of Putin’s national policies
     
    Kadyrov and his Chechens are loyal to Putin personally. They are not loyal to Russia though: Russian federal laws do not work in Chechnya, the republic practices polygamy and a hardline Islamic dress-code for women, Kadyrov himself clashed with Russian law-enforcement agencies on numerous occasions.

    Don't you see the problem here, Shamir? Putin is mortal, and there is no guarantee that his successor will get along with Chechen warlord.

    Yes, they will. Chechnya is part of Russia, but not the other way around. If you’re going to rule people in their territory , and they are not immigrants to that land, you have to accept their culture, language, and customs. What bothers you about polygamy that doesn’t seem to have the same effect as in pornography, homos, Mormons, cuckolds, orgies…and other filths in our “Western Civilization“….
    BTW, the Canadians can’t seem to come up with any reason to outlaw polygamy, I can’t think of one either, considering all, much worse filth that are allowed or tolerated in the civilized world

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    Polygamy is not banned doesn't mean it is widely practiced . Hijab and other dress codes are also fluid in nature by its existence .I might be completely wrong to say these .
    But what is very important is your clear explanation of the fact that Chechnya doesn't have to accept Russian culture and religion to be part of Russian empire .

    I will like to add that America does allow the Mormon Church to flourish and proselytize despite
    the clear divergence from mainstream practices and views .

    Jeovah's Witness - my understanding doesn't believe in many things and oppose some of the things that a country might find inimical to its interests . So does Amish .

    A polyglot country like Russia whose Russian cultures itself differ depending on time zones , should allow normal evolution towards integrity and shouldn't force cultural and religious practices out of dogmatic tendencies.

    Can Chechen remain part of Russia ? Russia needs to remain powerful to stop secession . Just like America needs to remain to prevent Texas or New Mexico from seceding . Russia faces external dangers . America will face tomorrow if the power slips away from its hands .
    , @ANON
    What's wrong with Mormons? And why mix them with orgies, porn, homos and cuck holds whatever they are? They resist homos, orgies, and porn more than any other group in America.
  41. Wally says: • Website
    @Anon
    You mean the calculated reaction of the Sturmabteilung to the assassination of a German diplomat by a religious Jew whose parents had been expelled from Germany a few days earlier.

    No, I mean the laughable and easily debunked exaggerated claims about ‘Kristallnacht’.

    The Zionist Jew was a communist, he did kill a German diplomat.

    Pay attention, please.

    It is the quiet, uncritical acceptance of such tainted evidence that has turned the American media into the most gigantic lie factory in history.

    Deconstructing the Kristallnacht Myth

    http://nationalvanguard.org/2016/09/deconstructing-the-kristallnacht-myth/

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Wow. National Vanguard. Good source.
  42. Wally says:
    @Anon
    Do you contribute anything else here except for full throated defense of violent Jew-hating fascists?

    What I do is provide arguments and facts that you and those like you cannot refute.

    So then, your last desperate resort is to engage in personal attacks.

    Sorry, but you lose again.

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”
    - Gerard Menuhin / Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

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    What was personal about my attack? It seems to me it was a perfectly accurate assessment of what you do here. Moreover, it seems to me that you are taking issue with your support for the Nazis -- whereas I'd think you'd be proud of it.
  43. bjondo says:
    @Anon
    Once more in English, please?

    Nor for the Palestinians, who have been nothing but consistent at stabbing their supporters in the back.

    Whatever stabbing done nothing compared to USS Liberty and 9-11, both done by Israel. Those 2 stabs only the tip of backstabbing-of-friends-iceberg by the people of milk and honey and knives (blades soaked in poison).

    And you must care something for Israel since you only stabbed the Palestinians.

    My experience, Russia/Moscow/Putin don’t have contempt for freedom of speech. The U.S./DC/media/pundits/Jewish orgs do in the fanatically insane extreme.

    Steve Sailor has/does what?

    You are creative aren’t you.

    Enjoy, Mr. Anon.

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  44. utu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Persecuting people for their opinions on foreign relations is sick at the best of times, even if justifiable under certain narrow circumstances where national security is at stake (e.g. Finland censoring anti-Soviet literature during the Cold War), but it is especially so with respect to Russia's relationship with Kyrgzystan, a completely irrelevant country of 6 million people that Russia directly and indirectly subsidizes to the tune of billions of dollars are years (remittances equal something like a quarter of its GDP) for dubious benefit.

    Personally, I consider getting involved in Syria for the purposes of "helping Russia to get out of preoccupation with Ukraine" to be sabotage of Russian national interests - if that is indeed the reasoning for the Syria intervention, as you claim - but I am never going to campaign to put you in jail for your opinion, regardless of the regime in power in Russia. Though after your pronouncements I do find myself wondering whether you'd reciprocate in the event that I'm ever charged under Article 282.

    Steve Sailer (the blogger who accounts for half The Unz Review's traffic) would certainly be shut down by the criteria used to bar access to SiP. I say this as a regular reader of both. He too, after all, consistently undermines US (neocon) state policy and its relations with Europe and Saudi Arabia and the "Muslim community" in the US. For that matter, you would be shut down for undermining US state policy with respect to Israel, if the US had the same contempt for freedom of speech as Russia.

    I don't see why I as a Russian nationalist should have any beef with Israel. I don't care about them one way or the other. Nor for the Palestinians, who have been nothing but consistent at stabbing their supporters in the back. I know that you dislike Israel for reasons that I don't really understand that well but I just don't see why that should concern Russians. According to opinion polls, Israel isn't exactly loved in Russia, but it isn't disliked like the US, Germany, the EU, etc. either. Why, exactly, should we? Russia and Isarel have a visa free regime, even some military-industrial cooperation, Israel didn't join in Western sanctions against Russia. It certainly isn't a friend or an ally but why should we make it into an enemy to get one up on the Anglo-Zionists or whatever.

    “Steve Sailer (the blogger who accounts for half The Unz Review’s traffic)…consistently undermines US (neocon) state policy and its relations with Europe and Saudi Arabia and the “Muslim community” in the US”

    He never undermines the most important tenet of the neocon policy which is the special role of Israel. Strange that you do not see it. Is it a willful blindness on your part? Or maybe not that strange when I think of your own predilections. Shamir is correct: “Sincere rightwinger and nationalist wouldn’t support the Jewish state.” Your and Sailer’s rightism are of similar ilk as that of Breivik, it seems. A position on Israel is always a pretty accurate litmus test.

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    One of these 2 suggested onetime that Russia could be given Crimea, Israel the Golan Height and Israel through neocon should stop supporting mass immigration .

    It was the best fond dream just like that of Balfour and Lloyd . Racism projecting itself as brilliance of mind .
    , @Anatoly Karlin
    Here is Breivik's position on Israel:

    I know a lot of people will be dissapointed when reading this, but my love for Israel is limited to its future function as a deportation-port for disloyal jews. I am aware of the sad fact that all available statistics confirm that only aprox. three percent of eurojews oppose multiculti (but from an anti-islamist perspective), and that only aprox. 0,2 percent support nordic indigenous rights. I wish it wasnt so… However, there is in fact a strong anti-nordicist/ethnocentrist wing within the counter-jihad movement, represented by Fjordman and his Jewish network, the EDL-leader, the SIOE-leaders, Wilders, Farage etc., but their organisations are so heavily infiltrated by nordicists and ethnocentrists that its hard to say which wing are actually controlling them.

    …This makes it even more ironic that many nordicists and ethnocentric nationalists, Stormfront included, still dont know that I systematically used double-psychology in order to protect them, and in an attempt to prevent the multiculti MSM from using their <>.
     
  45. KA says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Persecuting people for their opinions on foreign relations is sick at the best of times, even if justifiable under certain narrow circumstances where national security is at stake (e.g. Finland censoring anti-Soviet literature during the Cold War), but it is especially so with respect to Russia's relationship with Kyrgzystan, a completely irrelevant country of 6 million people that Russia directly and indirectly subsidizes to the tune of billions of dollars are years (remittances equal something like a quarter of its GDP) for dubious benefit.

    Personally, I consider getting involved in Syria for the purposes of "helping Russia to get out of preoccupation with Ukraine" to be sabotage of Russian national interests - if that is indeed the reasoning for the Syria intervention, as you claim - but I am never going to campaign to put you in jail for your opinion, regardless of the regime in power in Russia. Though after your pronouncements I do find myself wondering whether you'd reciprocate in the event that I'm ever charged under Article 282.

    Steve Sailer (the blogger who accounts for half The Unz Review's traffic) would certainly be shut down by the criteria used to bar access to SiP. I say this as a regular reader of both. He too, after all, consistently undermines US (neocon) state policy and its relations with Europe and Saudi Arabia and the "Muslim community" in the US. For that matter, you would be shut down for undermining US state policy with respect to Israel, if the US had the same contempt for freedom of speech as Russia.

    I don't see why I as a Russian nationalist should have any beef with Israel. I don't care about them one way or the other. Nor for the Palestinians, who have been nothing but consistent at stabbing their supporters in the back. I know that you dislike Israel for reasons that I don't really understand that well but I just don't see why that should concern Russians. According to opinion polls, Israel isn't exactly loved in Russia, but it isn't disliked like the US, Germany, the EU, etc. either. Why, exactly, should we? Russia and Isarel have a visa free regime, even some military-industrial cooperation, Israel didn't join in Western sanctions against Russia. It certainly isn't a friend or an ally but why should we make it into an enemy to get one up on the Anglo-Zionists or whatever.

    How has Russia made Israel an enemy ?
    ( By the way , one can suddenly find Israel becoming an enemy in case the universal rules applied to other countries or organizations when also applied to Israel )

    What Russia has done for Palestinian that is harmful to the existence of Israel ?

    Your assertions that Israel doesn’t or hasn’t harmed Russia – are you sure ? The entire Soviet period from 1970 is a classic case of success of American destructive and coercive policies directed against Soviet . Jackson – Vanik is one example . Did it benefit America ? Whose interest was harmed ? Who benefitted from it ? Who pushed for the legislation ? Why did they push for it ?

    Who was against detente and deescalation during 1970s? Who felt the security of Israel were at risk every time the prospect of peace would emerge ? Why did Jackson Scooper Boeing Democrat leave Democrat and join Reagan ?

    Where did those oligarch go after looting Russia ?

    Who financed and who supported the Checchen jihadist ?
    Who has been instigating anti Putin activities ? Who has been instrumental in creating Anti Russia environment ? Who instigated Georgian invasion ? What was the role of Israel in Gergia- Russia conflicts ?

    It is not Israel but it is the group within America that survives for the explicit purpose of working for the interest of Israel . We call them neocon .

    Your argument of Syria not being of any importance to the interest of Russia and is sabotage of Russian interest suggests that Russia is hurting itself by antagonizing US, Saudi , and Gulf . Ate you serious ? A Syria under the control of radicals will foment trouble for Russian federation, it will establish oil pipeline to EU and it will possibly remove Russian naval base . It will also offer itself as launching pad for attack on Iran .

    Can Russia ignore it ? It can if it is ready to be exploited as a junior partner in crimes and survive as a vassal.

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    Good and relevant response. Indeed Syria is very important to real Russia - the world power, but of no interest to the statelet of Russian Nationalist dreams.
  46. KA says:
    @Anon
    You mean the calculated reaction of the Sturmabteilung to the assassination of a German diplomat by a religious Jew whose parents had been expelled from Germany a few days earlier.

    But it does raise the Chosenness to new level of consciousness. The collective punishment to the entire Palestinian because of some stone throwing by some Palestinian whose home has been demolished and whose entry recently has been blocked doesn’t register in the minds of those establishment figures and entities who still remember the Kristalnavht as if it happened yesterday.
    Instead he or she is called Jihadist and is said to have been inspired by a perverted religion.

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  47. KA says:
    @utu
    "Steve Sailer (the blogger who accounts for half The Unz Review’s traffic)...consistently undermines US (neocon) state policy and its relations with Europe and Saudi Arabia and the “Muslim community” in the US"

    He never undermines the most important tenet of the neocon policy which is the special role of Israel. Strange that you do not see it. Is it a willful blindness on your part? Or maybe not that strange when I think of your own predilections. Shamir is correct: "Sincere rightwinger and nationalist wouldn’t support the Jewish state." Your and Sailer's rightism are of similar ilk as that of Breivik, it seems. A position on Israel is always a pretty accurate litmus test.

    One of these 2 suggested onetime that Russia could be given Crimea, Israel the Golan Height and Israel through neocon should stop supporting mass immigration .

    It was the best fond dream just like that of Balfour and Lloyd . Racism projecting itself as brilliance of mind .

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  48. KA says:
    @truthtellerAryan
    Yes, they will. Chechnya is part of Russia, but not the other way around. If you're going to rule people in their territory , and they are not immigrants to that land, you have to accept their culture, language, and customs. What bothers you about polygamy that doesn't seem to have the same effect as in pornography, homos, Mormons, cuckolds, orgies...and other filths in our "Western Civilization"....
    BTW, the Canadians can't seem to come up with any reason to outlaw polygamy, I can't think of one either, considering all, much worse filth that are allowed or tolerated in the civilized world

    Polygamy is not banned doesn’t mean it is widely practiced . Hijab and other dress codes are also fluid in nature by its existence .I might be completely wrong to say these .
    But what is very important is your clear explanation of the fact that Chechnya doesn’t have to accept Russian culture and religion to be part of Russian empire .

    I will like to add that America does allow the Mormon Church to flourish and proselytize despite
    the clear divergence from mainstream practices and views .

    Jeovah’s Witness – my understanding doesn’t believe in many things and oppose some of the things that a country might find inimical to its interests . So does Amish .

    A polyglot country like Russia whose Russian cultures itself differ depending on time zones , should allow normal evolution towards integrity and shouldn’t force cultural and religious practices out of dogmatic tendencies.

    Can Chechen remain part of Russia ? Russia needs to remain powerful to stop secession . Just like America needs to remain to prevent Texas or New Mexico from seceding . Russia faces external dangers . America will face tomorrow if the power slips away from its hands .

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  49. Talha says:
    @KA
    Polygamy is not banned doesn't mean it is widely practiced . Hijab and other dress codes are also fluid in nature by its existence .I might be completely wrong to say these .
    But what is very important is your clear explanation of the fact that Chechnya doesn't have to accept Russian culture and religion to be part of Russian empire .

    I will like to add that America does allow the Mormon Church to flourish and proselytize despite
    the clear divergence from mainstream practices and views .

    Jeovah's Witness - my understanding doesn't believe in many things and oppose some of the things that a country might find inimical to its interests . So does Amish .

    A polyglot country like Russia whose Russian cultures itself differ depending on time zones , should allow normal evolution towards integrity and shouldn't force cultural and religious practices out of dogmatic tendencies.

    Can Chechen remain part of Russia ? Russia needs to remain powerful to stop secession . Just like America needs to remain to prevent Texas or New Mexico from seceding . Russia faces external dangers . America will face tomorrow if the power slips away from its hands .

    Very solid points.

    Peace.

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  50. ANON says: • Disclaimer
    @Che Guava
    Soros is more than that.

    In his distant early teens, a Nazi collaborator. I am not to saying that is a terrible thing in itself, they were our allies, and helped in some ways.

    He, though, is an exemplar of false consciousness, he has been convicted of insider trading, I have no doubt that his immense profit from the 'run on the pound' was also insider trading, a very dirty character, many more examples.

    The sooner he is shuffling off this mortal coil, the better for humanity in general.

    Soros has 2 sons and many Jewish operatives in his foundations. They will continue his work when he dies. In the US there are ADL, ACLU, AJC, SPLC and many other Jewish organizations. Some are more than 100 years old and expanding their influence and power.

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    You cannot be sure that his sons will be equally evil. As I say, Soros was a Nazi collaborator, also an evil inside trader, he clearly has little conscience, but enough to make him behaving even worse on the basis of a life of crime.

    As for the three- and four-letter agencies you list, sure, they are a curse for the U.S. , but they are all very wealthy indepently of Soros. He may throw one or two some small change at times, but that is not the level where he is a total bastard. But he is a total bastard.

    My ultranationalist friend's band had a song 三文字列焼, which means 'three-letter string bake', the only three-letter string is CIA, and the main line is don't be fooled by them.

    So, whatever your political inclinations, it is good.
  51. KA says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Persecuting people for their opinions on foreign relations is sick at the best of times, even if justifiable under certain narrow circumstances where national security is at stake (e.g. Finland censoring anti-Soviet literature during the Cold War), but it is especially so with respect to Russia's relationship with Kyrgzystan, a completely irrelevant country of 6 million people that Russia directly and indirectly subsidizes to the tune of billions of dollars are years (remittances equal something like a quarter of its GDP) for dubious benefit.

    Personally, I consider getting involved in Syria for the purposes of "helping Russia to get out of preoccupation with Ukraine" to be sabotage of Russian national interests - if that is indeed the reasoning for the Syria intervention, as you claim - but I am never going to campaign to put you in jail for your opinion, regardless of the regime in power in Russia. Though after your pronouncements I do find myself wondering whether you'd reciprocate in the event that I'm ever charged under Article 282.

    Steve Sailer (the blogger who accounts for half The Unz Review's traffic) would certainly be shut down by the criteria used to bar access to SiP. I say this as a regular reader of both. He too, after all, consistently undermines US (neocon) state policy and its relations with Europe and Saudi Arabia and the "Muslim community" in the US. For that matter, you would be shut down for undermining US state policy with respect to Israel, if the US had the same contempt for freedom of speech as Russia.

    I don't see why I as a Russian nationalist should have any beef with Israel. I don't care about them one way or the other. Nor for the Palestinians, who have been nothing but consistent at stabbing their supporters in the back. I know that you dislike Israel for reasons that I don't really understand that well but I just don't see why that should concern Russians. According to opinion polls, Israel isn't exactly loved in Russia, but it isn't disliked like the US, Germany, the EU, etc. either. Why, exactly, should we? Russia and Isarel have a visa free regime, even some military-industrial cooperation, Israel didn't join in Western sanctions against Russia. It certainly isn't a friend or an ally but why should we make it into an enemy to get one up on the Anglo-Zionists or whatever.

    You may not care about Israel but Israel does . Have you seen the parade on the world stage by Israel regarding the sanction on Iran? What was the sanction about?
    What did the world have to suffer ?
    Yes ,it matters . Because we are talking of billions of dollars of business that countries could cement with Iran and billions of dollars of defensive military supplies that Russia could sell.

    Does Russia has any responsibility in particular? It has because it is a permanent veto wielding power . That power is not given for fun and self aggrandizement . It carries responsibility . In case of Iraq , Libya,Syria, and Iran it has tried to play the normal expected roles . For playing that role ,it has experienced Israeli pressure and wrath through US neocons and has suffered in billions of dollars worth of investment .

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  52. Smiddy says:

    Shamir all but explicitly admits that Putin hacked the elections (which is fine by me). Thing is this goes along very well with the theory that the (NWO-independent, Putin catalyzed, based out of Israel) Russian/Israeli joint hi-tech sector/venture (majorly composed of quantitatively superior Russian Jews) has at least been the vehicle behind Wikileaks:

    “In the film, Stone asks Putin about accusations of cyber-meddling in the US elections, and Putin gives a full explicit answer. He said that he had offered President Obama a treaty on cyber security, properly describing what the states can, and can’t do in cyberspace to each other.
    Obama did not take the offered ball, for the US felt it had vast superiority in the field, and didn’t want to give the advantage away. ‘According to an unnamed senior intelligence official with the US government, the Obama administration has penetrated Russia’s electric grid, telecommunications networks and the Kremlin’s command systems. The purported hack means that critical parts of Russia’s infrastructure are now vulnerable to attack by secret American cyber weapons’, reported Australian news agency.
    Indeed complaints of ‘Russian hackers’ sound false, bearing in mind that NSA spies against everybody in the world, including Russia.”

    Oh and Putin came to power through blackmailing Yeltsen via something very shady (perhaps along the lines of pedogate), he is former KGB after all. Perhaps Putin just continued using the tricks of the enemy, the former occupier, but just inversed with Wikileaks…

    And perhaps Putin did the exact same thing with Russian Jews (who’ve surely faced some acute evolutionary pressures) that he’s doing with the Chechens?:

    “There is an additional nuance: the Russian military police in Syria have been staffed with Chechens, who are good fighters, Muslim by faith, and devoted to President Putin – though he fought them, defeated them, and brought them back under Kremlin rule. There was a time when the enemies of Russia would profess their love of Chechens, but not anymore. Now their own leader Ramzan Kadyrov, the son of their previous rebel president and a former rebel himself is a strong supporter of Putin, and a subject of a hate campaign by Western liberals – and by Russian nationalists. Placement of Chechens in the military police in Syria is a success of Putin’s national policies, especially relevant in the light of a new development.”

    Heck, Breitbart started in Israel, there are a lot of Israeli connections behind the alt-right, let alone Trump. Wouldn’t be surprised if there were some crypto Russian/Israeli/Jewish agents behind it all, if not leading it, as a foreign infiltration to break the 5th column and free the rest. Heck even makes sense of this – http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=834 – which totally pissed me off at the time, I mean an Israeli complaining of an (academic) 5th column in Israel? Only the banksters could pull that one off…

    People practically never point this out but there has been a schism between “true” Zio-nationalists and class/cult-loyal Zio-internationalists since atleast Contra, from what I can figure. Carter was the bankster’s council on foreign affairs pick, their media organs clearly show they didn’t want the Hollywood-originated Reagan (who became senile unfortunately his second term), and of course Israel was the middle man of the deal which took Carter out (and of course he believes Israel, and even Jews, are fair public game, though I haven’t heard him complain about the banksters lately if ever). You can even tell, for example, how Fox News is more of a Zio-nationalist stalwart (has the leniency to out Soros), whereas the rest of the corporate media syndicate (and its agents) has the leniency to out Israel at times (once again this makes sense of a discover the networks article on Soros I recall from a long time ago).

    Truth is the very originators of Israel have always planned on using it as a front, just as they have their very own (((4th generational army))) historically. And tribalists on both sides are too frightened to even consider the possibility.

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    Shamir all but explicitly admits that Putin hacked the elections (which is fine by me).
     
    It would be fine with me, too, but it is not the case. I know first hand that there was no contacts of any sort between Russia and Wikileaks. And Russia is quite unable to hack or influence American elections.
  53. ANON says: • Disclaimer
    @truthtellerAryan
    Yes, they will. Chechnya is part of Russia, but not the other way around. If you're going to rule people in their territory , and they are not immigrants to that land, you have to accept their culture, language, and customs. What bothers you about polygamy that doesn't seem to have the same effect as in pornography, homos, Mormons, cuckolds, orgies...and other filths in our "Western Civilization"....
    BTW, the Canadians can't seem to come up with any reason to outlaw polygamy, I can't think of one either, considering all, much worse filth that are allowed or tolerated in the civilized world

    What’s wrong with Mormons? And why mix them with orgies, porn, homos and cuck holds whatever they are? They resist homos, orgies, and porn more than any other group in America.

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    This will be self explanitry. Jul 28, 2012 ABORTION - Mitt Romney caught on hidden camera - claims some Church Leadership is Pro-Choice

    Romney tells the host he is wrong when he reads from the Church publication that participation or advocacy of abortion can be disciplined. Romney claims that the Mormon church is not firm on abortion, and that some Church Leadership is "Pro-Choice" in a seeming effort to escape scrutiny for Romney's pro-choice era.

    https://youtu.be/_vINVnWYk0U
    , @truthtellerAryan
    Hi ANON, you misread my point. The Mormon faith was just included as an example of our hypocritical choice of demonization towards Muslims, no matter their race. Polygamy is all over the Bible, the Hijab is a religious custom practiced by Orthodox Christians, Orthodox Jews, Hindus, Melania Trump, etc.... But Muslims seem to take the brunt of criticism and all kind of harassment, simply because the majority of them are more faithful to their belief. We've seen the Ziomedia praising Orthodox Jews in their practice of separating the sexes (in weddings, buses, schools) as the wish of GOD. The same Ziomedia (60 minutes) criticized Muslims (especially Iran) for doing the same. BTW they avoid mentioning Zaudi Arabia(?????)
    Examples are all over, France and the burkini, halal meat (here the law couldn't be passed because it would also offend the JEWS), the list goes on.....
  54. @utu
    "Steve Sailer (the blogger who accounts for half The Unz Review’s traffic)...consistently undermines US (neocon) state policy and its relations with Europe and Saudi Arabia and the “Muslim community” in the US"

    He never undermines the most important tenet of the neocon policy which is the special role of Israel. Strange that you do not see it. Is it a willful blindness on your part? Or maybe not that strange when I think of your own predilections. Shamir is correct: "Sincere rightwinger and nationalist wouldn’t support the Jewish state." Your and Sailer's rightism are of similar ilk as that of Breivik, it seems. A position on Israel is always a pretty accurate litmus test.

    Here is Breivik’s position on Israel:

    I know a lot of people will be dissapointed when reading this, but my love for Israel is limited to its future function as a deportation-port for disloyal jews. I am aware of the sad fact that all available statistics confirm that only aprox. three percent of eurojews oppose multiculti (but from an anti-islamist perspective), and that only aprox. 0,2 percent support nordic indigenous rights. I wish it wasnt so… However, there is in fact a strong anti-nordicist/ethnocentrist wing within the counter-jihad movement, represented by Fjordman and his Jewish network, the EDL-leader, the SIOE-leaders, Wilders, Farage etc., but their organisations are so heavily infiltrated by nordicists and ethnocentrists that its hard to say which wing are actually controlling them.

    …This makes it even more ironic that many nordicists and ethnocentric nationalists, Stormfront included, still dont know that I systematically used double-psychology in order to protect them, and in an attempt to prevent the multiculti MSM from using their <>.

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    Interesting. Apparently Brevik's views on Israel became an issue so even The Weekly Standard the flagship of the neocon navy had to step in:

    Terrorist Anders Breivik Now Claims He Lied About Pro-Israel Views to Diguise Nazi Beliefs
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/terrorist-anders-breivik-now-claims-he-lied-about-pro-israel-views-to-diguise-nazi-beliefs/article/782844
     

    When Anders Breivik went on his shooting rampage in Norway in 2011, he left behind a curious and lengthy manifesto identifying himself as Christian with zionist sympathies.
     
    Probably from this article you get your piece you cited here. I did not expect you read the rag. Anyway, the question is whether the busybodies from the zionist Weekly Standard are engaging in a damage control here? Bad person can't be a pro Israel, right? The serial killer, David Berkowitz, couldn't be a Jew, right? Hallelujah, he was adopted. The same damage control schtick. The same crowd. Don't you see?
  55. Flyingsoul says: • Website

    AS we all know, journalists are always affected by alzhaimer and this one is not an exeption. He (intentionally) hided the all truth about cecenia. Putin ended the war in cecenia only ’cause he PAID Kadyrov, and not just with a couple of rubles.

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  56. JL says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Persecuting people for their opinions on foreign relations is sick at the best of times, even if justifiable under certain narrow circumstances where national security is at stake (e.g. Finland censoring anti-Soviet literature during the Cold War), but it is especially so with respect to Russia's relationship with Kyrgzystan, a completely irrelevant country of 6 million people that Russia directly and indirectly subsidizes to the tune of billions of dollars are years (remittances equal something like a quarter of its GDP) for dubious benefit.

    Personally, I consider getting involved in Syria for the purposes of "helping Russia to get out of preoccupation with Ukraine" to be sabotage of Russian national interests - if that is indeed the reasoning for the Syria intervention, as you claim - but I am never going to campaign to put you in jail for your opinion, regardless of the regime in power in Russia. Though after your pronouncements I do find myself wondering whether you'd reciprocate in the event that I'm ever charged under Article 282.

    Steve Sailer (the blogger who accounts for half The Unz Review's traffic) would certainly be shut down by the criteria used to bar access to SiP. I say this as a regular reader of both. He too, after all, consistently undermines US (neocon) state policy and its relations with Europe and Saudi Arabia and the "Muslim community" in the US. For that matter, you would be shut down for undermining US state policy with respect to Israel, if the US had the same contempt for freedom of speech as Russia.

    I don't see why I as a Russian nationalist should have any beef with Israel. I don't care about them one way or the other. Nor for the Palestinians, who have been nothing but consistent at stabbing their supporters in the back. I know that you dislike Israel for reasons that I don't really understand that well but I just don't see why that should concern Russians. According to opinion polls, Israel isn't exactly loved in Russia, but it isn't disliked like the US, Germany, the EU, etc. either. Why, exactly, should we? Russia and Isarel have a visa free regime, even some military-industrial cooperation, Israel didn't join in Western sanctions against Russia. It certainly isn't a friend or an ally but why should we make it into an enemy to get one up on the Anglo-Zionists or whatever.

    in Syria for the purposes of “helping Russia to get out of preoccupation with Ukraine” to be sabotage of Russian national interests

    Mr. Shamir is clearly incorrect in this assessment. I heard, from a fairly well connected Russian journalist, of Russia’s plans to militarily intervene in Syria in late Autumn of 2013. It sounded fantastic to me at the time, so I dismissed it as an unfounded rumor. But the journalist was right. Quite a bit of the geopolitical analysis I read is predicated on the incorrect assumption that the Syria intervention was meant to counteract the US aggression in the Ukraine. Indeed, it seems more likely that the US aggression in Ukraine was an opportunistic attempt to preempt Russia’s action in Syria.

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  57. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    No, I mean the laughable and easily debunked exaggerated claims about 'Kristallnacht'.

    The Zionist Jew was a communist, he did kill a German diplomat.

    Pay attention, please.


    It is the quiet, uncritical acceptance of such tainted evidence that has turned the American media into the most gigantic lie factory in history.
     
    Deconstructing the Kristallnacht Myth
    http://nationalvanguard.org/2016/09/deconstructing-the-kristallnacht-myth/

    Wow. National Vanguard. Good source.

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  58. Agent76 says:
    @ANON
    What's wrong with Mormons? And why mix them with orgies, porn, homos and cuck holds whatever they are? They resist homos, orgies, and porn more than any other group in America.

    This will be self explanitry. Jul 28, 2012 ABORTION – Mitt Romney caught on hidden camera – claims some Church Leadership is Pro-Choice

    Romney tells the host he is wrong when he reads from the Church publication that participation or advocacy of abortion can be disciplined. Romney claims that the Mormon church is not firm on abortion, and that some Church Leadership is “Pro-Choice” in a seeming effort to escape scrutiny for Romney’s pro-choice era.

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  59. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    What I do is provide arguments and facts that you and those like you cannot refute.

    So then, your last desperate resort is to engage in personal attacks.

    Sorry, but you lose again.


    "Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish "holocaust" and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the "survivors"? Because it "dishonors the dead"? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble."
    - Gerard Menuhin / Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist
     

    What was personal about my attack? It seems to me it was a perfectly accurate assessment of what you do here. Moreover, it seems to me that you are taking issue with your support for the Nazis — whereas I’d think you’d be proud of it.

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  60. skrik says:
    @Anon
    Do you contribute anything else here except for full throated defense of violent Jew-hating fascists?

    violent Jew-hating fascists?

    Wrong word-order? Perhaps it should be:

    *Hating, violent, fascist Jews?*

    The evidence is [all the way] in; 50 years of premeditation following Herzl, concurrent with 50 years of unwelcome immigration = invasion by stealth, a trumped-up UN resolution 181 [*not* considered, let alone passed by UNSC = *not* law], then the aggressive attack by the invading aliens on the hapless ELO/Os = erstwhile legal owner/occupier Palestinians [*not* civil war but 'supreme international crime'], followed by 70+ years of murdering ethnic cleansing. Q: Tell us, Anon, is the hasbarist fee more or less than 30 shekels?

    Not so BTW, no worthwhile project needs a ‘lie-screen.’ Zs try to hide behind a multitude of lies.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Way to jump into a thread and attempt to derail it.
  61. skrik says:
    @Anon
    You mean the calculated reaction of the Sturmabteilung to the assassination of a German diplomat by a religious Jew whose parents had been expelled from Germany a few days earlier.

    the calculated reaction … to the assassination of a German diplomat by a religious Jew

    What??!

    Are you seriously suggesting, that “parents had been expelled from Germany” has the foreseeable result of the Jewish son assassinating someone?

    Wow.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Let's deport your parents and see at whom you lash out.
  62. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @skrik

    the calculated reaction ... to the assassination of a German diplomat by a religious Jew
     
    What??!

    Are you seriously suggesting, that "parents had been expelled from Germany" has the foreseeable result of the Jewish son assassinating someone?

    Wow.

    Let’s deport your parents and see at whom you lash out.

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    • Replies: @skrik
    Err ... you didn't answer the Q: Do 'deported parents' give a license to assassinate?
  63. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @skrik

    violent Jew-hating fascists?
     
    Wrong word-order? Perhaps it should be:

    *Hating, violent, fascist Jews?*

    The evidence is [all the way] in; 50 years of premeditation following Herzl, concurrent with 50 years of unwelcome immigration = invasion by stealth, a trumped-up UN resolution 181 [*not* considered, let alone passed by UNSC = *not* law], then the aggressive attack by the invading aliens on the hapless ELO/Os = erstwhile legal owner/occupier Palestinians [*not* civil war but 'supreme international crime'], followed by 70+ years of murdering ethnic cleansing. Q: Tell us, Anon, is the hasbarist fee more or less than 30 shekels?

    Not so BTW, no worthwhile project needs a 'lie-screen.' Zs try to hide behind a multitude of lies.

    Way to jump into a thread and attempt to derail it.

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    • Replies: @skrik
    My post is *not* an 'attempt to derail,' rather to point out to any still suffering under 'Western MSM induced delusions' that *truthfully*, the Jews [no, not 'all;' just all supporters of the illegitimate Z-entity = the overwhelming majority] - exist in a frame which is best characterised as "lying, cheating, thieving and killing." Proof = the continuing outrage in Palestine, whereby fake-joos continue to illegally squat on eternally-Palestinian land. rgds
  64. skrik says:
    @Anon
    Let's deport your parents and see at whom you lash out.

    Err … you didn’t answer the Q: Do ‘deported parents’ give a license to assassinate?

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  65. skrik says:
    @Anon
    Way to jump into a thread and attempt to derail it.

    My post is *not* an ‘attempt to derail,’ rather to point out to any still suffering under ‘Western MSM induced delusions’ that *truthfully*, the Jews [no, not 'all;' just all supporters of the illegitimate Z-entity = the overwhelming majority] – exist in a frame which is best characterised as “lying, cheating, thieving and killing.” Proof = the continuing outrage in Palestine, whereby fake-joos continue to illegally squat on eternally-Palestinian land. rgds

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  66. @ANON
    What's wrong with Mormons? And why mix them with orgies, porn, homos and cuck holds whatever they are? They resist homos, orgies, and porn more than any other group in America.

    Hi ANON, you misread my point. The Mormon faith was just included as an example of our hypocritical choice of demonization towards Muslims, no matter their race. Polygamy is all over the Bible, the Hijab is a religious custom practiced by Orthodox Christians, Orthodox Jews, Hindus, Melania Trump, etc…. But Muslims seem to take the brunt of criticism and all kind of harassment, simply because the majority of them are more faithful to their belief. We’ve seen the Ziomedia praising Orthodox Jews in their practice of separating the sexes (in weddings, buses, schools) as the wish of GOD. The same Ziomedia (60 minutes) criticized Muslims (especially Iran) for doing the same. BTW they avoid mentioning Zaudi Arabia(?????)
    Examples are all over, France and the burkini, halal meat (here the law couldn’t be passed because it would also offend the JEWS), the list goes on…..

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  67. utu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Here is Breivik's position on Israel:

    I know a lot of people will be dissapointed when reading this, but my love for Israel is limited to its future function as a deportation-port for disloyal jews. I am aware of the sad fact that all available statistics confirm that only aprox. three percent of eurojews oppose multiculti (but from an anti-islamist perspective), and that only aprox. 0,2 percent support nordic indigenous rights. I wish it wasnt so… However, there is in fact a strong anti-nordicist/ethnocentrist wing within the counter-jihad movement, represented by Fjordman and his Jewish network, the EDL-leader, the SIOE-leaders, Wilders, Farage etc., but their organisations are so heavily infiltrated by nordicists and ethnocentrists that its hard to say which wing are actually controlling them.

    …This makes it even more ironic that many nordicists and ethnocentric nationalists, Stormfront included, still dont know that I systematically used double-psychology in order to protect them, and in an attempt to prevent the multiculti MSM from using their <>.
     

    Interesting. Apparently Brevik’s views on Israel became an issue so even The Weekly Standard the flagship of the neocon navy had to step in:

    Terrorist Anders Breivik Now Claims He Lied About Pro-Israel Views to Diguise Nazi Beliefs

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/terrorist-anders-breivik-now-claims-he-lied-about-pro-israel-views-to-diguise-nazi-beliefs/article/782844

    When Anders Breivik went on his shooting rampage in Norway in 2011, he left behind a curious and lengthy manifesto identifying himself as Christian with zionist sympathies.

    Probably from this article you get your piece you cited here. I did not expect you read the rag. Anyway, the question is whether the busybodies from the zionist Weekly Standard are engaging in a damage control here? Bad person can’t be a pro Israel, right? The serial killer, David Berkowitz, couldn’t be a Jew, right? Hallelujah, he was adopted. The same damage control schtick. The same crowd. Don’t you see?

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    • Replies: @German_reader
    No, you can google the quote, there's a transcript of the letter it's from at Gates of Vienna (yes, I know, you probably don't regard them as trustworthy, and I don't like them much either, but I don't think that Breivik letter is manufactured). Breivik's entire act as Knights Templar crusader defending Europe against Islam seems to have been merely for show...apparently he's a hardcore Nordicist (he even seems to believe European "Alpines" and "Mediterraneans" are a threat to the "Nordic race").
  68. Probably from this article you get your piece you cited here.

    No I encountered the quote at /r/european (before it was shoahed by Reddit admins).

    Anyhow, I don’t know why all the commenters are pestering me on this topic. The bottom line is: I don’t care about the Jews.

    Neither in a positive, nor a negative, way.

    The Eurasianist/Saker crowd has some weird obsession with Israel and the Anglo-Zionists. They are welcome to it, but if they try to hijack Russia to pursue their own pet crusades like some inverse mirror image of the US (((neocons))), which do not serve Russian national interests, and are of extremely dubious moral net worth to the world in general, I will call them out on it and rhetorically oppose them.

    Naturally, I am even less interested in spending my time on retarded fringe conspiracy theories. Go bother someone else with them.

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    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
    Anatol, being against Jews is the essence of Right Nationalism, and Left Nationalism. It is not "weird obsession". You can read a very anti-Jewish author Simone Weil (d. 1944) who explains that by "Jews are the poison of uprooting", the sentence that T.S. Eliot used much. Jews-friendly Nationalism is a clear sign of manipulated lot. Your "do not care" shows that you are not aware of metaphysical depth of Nationalism. For you it is just a form of Neo-Darwinism. But people are not squirrels, and nationalism without metaphysics is tribalism, like a Georgian-Abkhaz quarrel.
  69. @Felix Keverich

    Now their own leader Ramzan Kadyrov, the son of their previous rebel president and a former rebel himself is a strong supporter of Putin, and a subject of a hate campaign by Western liberals – and by Russian nationalists. Placement of Chechens in the military police in Syria is a success of Putin’s national policies
     
    Kadyrov and his Chechens are loyal to Putin personally. They are not loyal to Russia though: Russian federal laws do not work in Chechnya, the republic practices polygamy and a hardline Islamic dress-code for women, Kadyrov himself clashed with Russian law-enforcement agencies on numerous occasions.

    Don't you see the problem here, Shamir? Putin is mortal, and there is no guarantee that his successor will get along with Chechen warlord.

    Putin is mortal, and so is Kadyrov. So many things in our world are transient, but meanwhile it works fine. Keeping hands off internal Chechen affairs is the best idea of Putin’s policy. This is a possible pilot for other Muslim states and statelets joining Russian Federation. Perhaps, Qatar?))

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  70. @Anatoly Karlin

    Probably from this article you get your piece you cited here.
     
    No I encountered the quote at /r/european (before it was shoahed by Reddit admins).

    Anyhow, I don't know why all the commenters are pestering me on this topic. The bottom line is: I don't care about the Jews.

    Neither in a positive, nor a negative, way.

    The Eurasianist/Saker crowd has some weird obsession with Israel and the Anglo-Zionists. They are welcome to it, but if they try to hijack Russia to pursue their own pet crusades like some inverse mirror image of the US (((neocons))), which do not serve Russian national interests, and are of extremely dubious moral net worth to the world in general, I will call them out on it and rhetorically oppose them.

    Naturally, I am even less interested in spending my time on retarded fringe conspiracy theories. Go bother someone else with them.

    Anatol, being against Jews is the essence of Right Nationalism, and Left Nationalism. It is not “weird obsession”. You can read a very anti-Jewish author Simone Weil (d. 1944) who explains that by “Jews are the poison of uprooting”, the sentence that T.S. Eliot used much. Jews-friendly Nationalism is a clear sign of manipulated lot. Your “do not care” shows that you are not aware of metaphysical depth of Nationalism. For you it is just a form of Neo-Darwinism. But people are not squirrels, and nationalism without metaphysics is tribalism, like a Georgian-Abkhaz quarrel.

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    • Replies: @Anatoly Karlin
    I am against Jews who try to hijack my country for their own ends, and Jews who hijack other countries to wage war on mine (e.g. neocons).

    I am not against individual Jews per se. I mean, should I be? if so, should I make an exception for you? how is that supposed to work, precisely? :)

    I am not against Israel because Israel is not against Russia (at least relative to certain other countries). The Palestinians got the short end of the stick to be sure, but that's an Arab problem, not Russia's.

    Your “do not care” shows that you are not aware of metaphysical depth of Nationalism.
     
    That is correct, I am not interested in any forms of obscurantism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3NDi1SYaYw
  71. @Smiddy
    Shamir all but explicitly admits that Putin hacked the elections (which is fine by me). Thing is this goes along very well with the theory that the (NWO-independent, Putin catalyzed, based out of Israel) Russian/Israeli joint hi-tech sector/venture (majorly composed of quantitatively superior Russian Jews) has at least been the vehicle behind Wikileaks:

    "In the film, Stone asks Putin about accusations of cyber-meddling in the US elections, and Putin gives a full explicit answer. He said that he had offered President Obama a treaty on cyber security, properly describing what the states can, and can’t do in cyberspace to each other.
    Obama did not take the offered ball, for the US felt it had vast superiority in the field, and didn’t want to give the advantage away. 'According to an unnamed senior intelligence official with the US government, the Obama administration has penetrated Russia’s electric grid, telecommunications networks and the Kremlin’s command systems. The purported hack means that critical parts of Russia’s infrastructure are now vulnerable to attack by secret American cyber weapons', reported Australian news agency.
    Indeed complaints of 'Russian hackers' sound false, bearing in mind that NSA spies against everybody in the world, including Russia."

    Oh and Putin came to power through blackmailing Yeltsen via something very shady (perhaps along the lines of pedogate), he is former KGB after all. Perhaps Putin just continued using the tricks of the enemy, the former occupier, but just inversed with Wikileaks...

    And perhaps Putin did the exact same thing with Russian Jews (who've surely faced some acute evolutionary pressures) that he's doing with the Chechens?:

    "There is an additional nuance: the Russian military police in Syria have been staffed with Chechens, who are good fighters, Muslim by faith, and devoted to President Putin – though he fought them, defeated them, and brought them back under Kremlin rule. There was a time when the enemies of Russia would profess their love of Chechens, but not anymore. Now their own leader Ramzan Kadyrov, the son of their previous rebel president and a former rebel himself is a strong supporter of Putin, and a subject of a hate campaign by Western liberals – and by Russian nationalists. Placement of Chechens in the military police in Syria is a success of Putin’s national policies, especially relevant in the light of a new development."

    Heck, Breitbart started in Israel, there are a lot of Israeli connections behind the alt-right, let alone Trump. Wouldn't be surprised if there were some crypto Russian/Israeli/Jewish agents behind it all, if not leading it, as a foreign infiltration to break the 5th column and free the rest. Heck even makes sense of this - http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=834 - which totally pissed me off at the time, I mean an Israeli complaining of an (academic) 5th column in Israel? Only the banksters could pull that one off...

    People practically never point this out but there has been a schism between "true" Zio-nationalists and class/cult-loyal Zio-internationalists since atleast Contra, from what I can figure. Carter was the bankster's council on foreign affairs pick, their media organs clearly show they didn't want the Hollywood-originated Reagan (who became senile unfortunately his second term), and of course Israel was the middle man of the deal which took Carter out (and of course he believes Israel, and even Jews, are fair public game, though I haven't heard him complain about the banksters lately if ever). You can even tell, for example, how Fox News is more of a Zio-nationalist stalwart (has the leniency to out Soros), whereas the rest of the corporate media syndicate (and its agents) has the leniency to out Israel at times (once again this makes sense of a discover the networks article on Soros I recall from a long time ago).

    Truth is the very originators of Israel have always planned on using it as a front, just as they have their very own (((4th generational army))) historically. And tribalists on both sides are too frightened to even consider the possibility.

    Shamir all but explicitly admits that Putin hacked the elections (which is fine by me).

    It would be fine with me, too, but it is not the case. I know first hand that there was no contacts of any sort between Russia and Wikileaks. And Russia is quite unable to hack or influence American elections.

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  72. @KA
    How has Russia made Israel an enemy ?
    ( By the way , one can suddenly find Israel becoming an enemy in case the universal rules applied to other countries or organizations when also applied to Israel )

    What Russia has done for Palestinian that is harmful to the existence of Israel ?

    Your assertions that Israel doesn't or hasn't harmed Russia - are you sure ? The entire Soviet period from 1970 is a classic case of success of American destructive and coercive policies directed against Soviet . Jackson - Vanik is one example . Did it benefit America ? Whose interest was harmed ? Who benefitted from it ? Who pushed for the legislation ? Why did they push for it ?

    Who was against detente and deescalation during 1970s? Who felt the security of Israel were at risk every time the prospect of peace would emerge ? Why did Jackson Scooper Boeing Democrat leave Democrat and join Reagan ?

    Where did those oligarch go after looting Russia ?

    Who financed and who supported the Checchen jihadist ?
    Who has been instigating anti Putin activities ? Who has been instrumental in creating Anti Russia environment ? Who instigated Georgian invasion ? What was the role of Israel in Gergia- Russia conflicts ?

    It is not Israel but it is the group within America that survives for the explicit purpose of working for the interest of Israel . We call them neocon .

    Your argument of Syria not being of any importance to the interest of Russia and is sabotage of Russian interest suggests that Russia is hurting itself by antagonizing US, Saudi , and Gulf . Ate you serious ? A Syria under the control of radicals will foment trouble for Russian federation, it will establish oil pipeline to EU and it will possibly remove Russian naval base . It will also offer itself as launching pad for attack on Iran .

    Can Russia ignore it ? It can if it is ready to be exploited as a junior partner in crimes and survive as a vassal.

    Good and relevant response. Indeed Syria is very important to real Russia – the world power, but of no interest to the statelet of Russian Nationalist dreams.

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  73. @Israel Shamir
    Anatol, being against Jews is the essence of Right Nationalism, and Left Nationalism. It is not "weird obsession". You can read a very anti-Jewish author Simone Weil (d. 1944) who explains that by "Jews are the poison of uprooting", the sentence that T.S. Eliot used much. Jews-friendly Nationalism is a clear sign of manipulated lot. Your "do not care" shows that you are not aware of metaphysical depth of Nationalism. For you it is just a form of Neo-Darwinism. But people are not squirrels, and nationalism without metaphysics is tribalism, like a Georgian-Abkhaz quarrel.

    I am against Jews who try to hijack my country for their own ends, and Jews who hijack other countries to wage war on mine (e.g. neocons).

    I am not against individual Jews per se. I mean, should I be? if so, should I make an exception for you? how is that supposed to work, precisely? :)

    I am not against Israel because Israel is not against Russia (at least relative to certain other countries). The Palestinians got the short end of the stick to be sure, but that’s an Arab problem, not Russia’s.

    Your “do not care” shows that you are not aware of metaphysical depth of Nationalism.

    That is correct, I am not interested in any forms of obscurantism.

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    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
    Anatol, I'd b silly to call upon you to hate individual Jews or Jews en masse))) and indeed I do not. Hatred is a wrong emotion. Nor Simone Weil, neither T S Eliot (nor Ezra Pound etc) were moved by hatred.
    I do not call to hate Israel, either, and I actually support Putin's line of friendship with the MiddleEastern state; a friendship that does not clash with Russia's support of Palestinians or with Russia's interests in Syria. Make it a Taiwan instead of China, as I suggested in my previous piece, and let it prosper.
    And finally, metaphysics is not obscurantism, but it is not everybody's cup of tea. It calls for a mature mind; probably a person younger than 40 will find it boring.
  74. @Anatoly Karlin
    I am against Jews who try to hijack my country for their own ends, and Jews who hijack other countries to wage war on mine (e.g. neocons).

    I am not against individual Jews per se. I mean, should I be? if so, should I make an exception for you? how is that supposed to work, precisely? :)

    I am not against Israel because Israel is not against Russia (at least relative to certain other countries). The Palestinians got the short end of the stick to be sure, but that's an Arab problem, not Russia's.

    Your “do not care” shows that you are not aware of metaphysical depth of Nationalism.
     
    That is correct, I am not interested in any forms of obscurantism.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3NDi1SYaYw

    Anatol, I’d b silly to call upon you to hate individual Jews or Jews en masse))) and indeed I do not. Hatred is a wrong emotion. Nor Simone Weil, neither T S Eliot (nor Ezra Pound etc) were moved by hatred.
    I do not call to hate Israel, either, and I actually support Putin’s line of friendship with the MiddleEastern state; a friendship that does not clash with Russia’s support of Palestinians or with Russia’s interests in Syria. Make it a Taiwan instead of China, as I suggested in my previous piece, and let it prosper.
    And finally, metaphysics is not obscurantism, but it is not everybody’s cup of tea. It calls for a mature mind; probably a person younger than 40 will find it boring.

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  75. @utu
    Interesting. Apparently Brevik's views on Israel became an issue so even The Weekly Standard the flagship of the neocon navy had to step in:

    Terrorist Anders Breivik Now Claims He Lied About Pro-Israel Views to Diguise Nazi Beliefs
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/terrorist-anders-breivik-now-claims-he-lied-about-pro-israel-views-to-diguise-nazi-beliefs/article/782844
     

    When Anders Breivik went on his shooting rampage in Norway in 2011, he left behind a curious and lengthy manifesto identifying himself as Christian with zionist sympathies.
     
    Probably from this article you get your piece you cited here. I did not expect you read the rag. Anyway, the question is whether the busybodies from the zionist Weekly Standard are engaging in a damage control here? Bad person can't be a pro Israel, right? The serial killer, David Berkowitz, couldn't be a Jew, right? Hallelujah, he was adopted. The same damage control schtick. The same crowd. Don't you see?

    No, you can google the quote, there’s a transcript of the letter it’s from at Gates of Vienna (yes, I know, you probably don’t regard them as trustworthy, and I don’t like them much either, but I don’t think that Breivik letter is manufactured). Breivik’s entire act as Knights Templar crusader defending Europe against Islam seems to have been merely for show…apparently he’s a hardcore Nordicist (he even seems to believe European “Alpines” and “Mediterraneans” are a threat to the “Nordic race”).

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    • Replies: @Talha
    Nice - the racial equivalent of our Salafi-Wahabi extremists; only we are the chosen - all others are impure!!!
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=buRHcbB_5es

    We should find an island for all these guys to get together for a nice "conference"...with chainsaws.

    Peace.

  76. Talha says:
    @German_reader
    No, you can google the quote, there's a transcript of the letter it's from at Gates of Vienna (yes, I know, you probably don't regard them as trustworthy, and I don't like them much either, but I don't think that Breivik letter is manufactured). Breivik's entire act as Knights Templar crusader defending Europe against Islam seems to have been merely for show...apparently he's a hardcore Nordicist (he even seems to believe European "Alpines" and "Mediterraneans" are a threat to the "Nordic race").

    Nice – the racial equivalent of our Salafi-Wahabi extremists; only we are the chosen – all others are impure!!!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=buRHcbB_5es

    We should find an island for all these guys to get together for a nice “conference”…with chainsaws.

    Peace.

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  77. Beb says:

    May God bless and keep you, Israel Shamir. When you view an event, you make allowances for human frailty, but still see the positive side. Your reports lift my spirits, and give me hope for the future.

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  78. Che Guava says:
    @ANON
    Soros has 2 sons and many Jewish operatives in his foundations. They will continue his work when he dies. In the US there are ADL, ACLU, AJC, SPLC and many other Jewish organizations. Some are more than 100 years old and expanding their influence and power.

    You cannot be sure that his sons will be equally evil. As I say, Soros was a Nazi collaborator, also an evil inside trader, he clearly has little conscience, but enough to make him behaving even worse on the basis of a life of crime.

    As for the three- and four-letter agencies you list, sure, they are a curse for the U.S. , but they are all very wealthy indepently of Soros. He may throw one or two some small change at times, but that is not the level where he is a total bastard. But he is a total bastard.

    My ultranationalist friend’s band had a song 三文字列焼, which means ‘three-letter string bake’, the only three-letter string is CIA, and the main line is don’t be fooled by them.

    So, whatever your political inclinations, it is good.

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  79. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Mulegino1
    Sorry, but there is no other way to explain the vast encirclement of the Army groups, the unprecedented netting of prisoners (in the hundreds of thousands), or the destruction of virtually the entire front echelon air force on its tarmacs during the first 24 hours of Barbarossa. The Red Army was caught at its most vulnerable- staging for an offensive action- and suffered the consequences of being preempted. The Red Army was hardly a "paper tiger" and its mettle was proved in the courageous defense of the Brest Fortress - Hitler insisted that the heroic Red Army defenders of Brest were to treated well (even if the Soviets would never reciprocate).

    Tell me- if Stalin had had his forces deployed in defensive positions- had he not destroyed the Stalin Line and its vast and impenetrable defenses - how could the outgunned and outnumbered Wehrmacht have sliced through the first Soviet echelon like a hot knife through butter? The Wehrmacht had inferior armor, and their artillery was virtually all horse drawn.

    Sorry, but there is no other way to explain the vast encirclement of the Army groups, the unprecedented netting of prisoners (in the hundreds of thousands), or the destruction of virtually the entire front echelon air force on its tarmacs during the first 24 hours of Barbarossa. The Red Army was caught at its most vulnerable- staging for an offensive action- and suffered the consequences of being preempted.

    Yeah, no. That’s mostly wrong, what you’ve written above. In the year before Barbarossa, the USSR had deployed troops and weapons to the Baltic states and eastern Poland, which were of course the areas hit first by the Nazis, being as they were on the border. But there’s no reason to assume that the presence of troops and materiel in these areas is unusual. There was a war going on, and it only makes sense for a country to have its borders better secured.

    The Red Army was hardly a “paper tiger” and its mettle was proved in the courageous defense of the Brest Fortress – Hitler insisted that the heroic Red Army defenders of Brest were to treated well (even if the Soviets would never reciprocate).

    Whether you know it or not you’re actually trumpeting Soviet propaganda here. The Brest Fortress fell in seven days, and its defense wasn’t particularly robust.

    Tell me- if Stalin had had his forces deployed in defensive positions- had he not destroyed the Stalin Line and its vast and impenetrable defenses – how could the outgunned and outnumbered Wehrmacht have sliced through the first Soviet echelon like a hot knife through butter?

    Maybe because they abandoned the Stalin line for the Molotov line further east but had not yet finished it, considering it was only a year between redeployment and Barbarossa?

    The Wehrmacht had inferior armor, and their artillery was virtually all horse drawn.

    Patently untrue. The Wehrmacht was among the first motorized armies.

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