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The title has a nice touch of an early Agatha Christie story, or some 19th-Century pulp fiction by Robert Louis Stevenson or Conan Doyle of a lord who was relentlessly pursued by an evil international conspiracy. A devoted supporter of Palestine, Lord Ahmed of Rotherham hasn’t been crucified yet, but the usual suspects have made his life exceedingly bitter. Women have come to bear false witness against him; as one is discredited and sent packing, another one comes in her stead. The mighty BBC attacks him; the Guardian and the Times denounce him for his lack of love for ‘our elder brothers Jews’ and assorted crimes and misdemeanors. And recently he was accused of making a pass at his cousin – fifty (or 47?) years ago, and this is, I believe, the world’s first of its kind. His doings are misrepresented; newspapers lie or almost lie creating innuendos to besmirch him.

Ask anybody who has heard of him, and you will be told that he killed a man while driving and texting on the motorway. If that is not enough, he is called ‘a child abuser’ or ‘accused of child sex offences’. He was also accused of taking advantage of a vulnerable woman. Who would want to defend such a person? In addition, he is from Rotherham, the town notorious for Pakistani men suborning young English girls. This is such a toxic mix as the angels fear to tread, making me the proverbial fool who rushes in.

Lord Ahmed was a precursor of Ilhan Omar before Ilhan came into the public spotlight. He waded through the flood of accusations that threaten to overcome his friend Jeremy Corbyn. He came to England as a child from the Pakistani part of Kashmir; following his steel-worker-father, he joined Labour and became one of the first Muslim peers of the realm – a great career for the boy whose elder brothers became bus drivers. His sympathy for Palestine was his undoing.

He supported Palestine; travelled to Gaza aboard a siege-breaking vessel; cared about Palestinians; fought in the Parliament to save them. For this work of love he had been labelled an ‘antisemite’, thrice suspended from the Labour party and then had to leave it altogether. His enemies and the enemies of Palestine didn’t miss a trick to trap him, to accuse of enormous sins and crimes, and to efficiently neutralise him. He can’t even support people he would like to (Corbyn, inter alia), for his support would stain them.

This political eclipse of a strong and charismatic figure, the natural leader of British Muslim community sends a terrible message to British politicians: do not defend Palestine unless you round up every defence with a proclamation of your love to the Jewish state, as Jonathan Freedland does. My friend Jonathan Cook wrote about the way this Jewish writer for the Guardian smeared ‘antisemites’ Livingstone and Galloway.

Palestine is not a parochial cause; the real supporters of Palestine are the most-active and strongest voices of the anti-war party. They were against the Iraq war, and now they are against the brewing Russia war, against Venezuela regime change, against North Korean confrontation, and for all the right causes. Neutralisation of Ahmed (and Livingstone) by the Jewish Lobby portends a sad future to the world, as it coincides with Trump’s submission to the neocon agenda, so clearly described by Mike Whitney. Just when he is most needed, he can’t be engaged.

I met Lord Ahmed back home in Palestine. He called me, introduced himself and asked me to take him to Jerusalem. He wanted to learn first-hand what goes on from a Jew who sides with Palestinians. It is not every day a British peer asks a humble writer from Jaffa to guide him. We went to Jerusalem; I introduced him to my great Palestinian friend and teacher Bishop Atallah Hanna; we walked the streets and we observed the walls of the Palestinian ghetto from the summit of the Mount of Olives.

He was touched by what he saw; I was touched feeling his compassion. In a while, he invited me to speak in the House of Lords, in the Parliament, and so I did. My talk was probably too daring – I was asked to speak about Palestine, while I spoke about the Jews and their relation to the British Empire, for I thought it was the key to the question of Palestine. Whenever one speaks of Jews, one will be called ‘antisemite’, unless one breaks into dithyramb; this is a professional hazard. So I was called, and Lord Ahmed too, for breaking the wall of silence I had been surrounded with.

Whenever you read newspaper pieces about Lord Ahmed (and they usually sound like a litany of accusations), my invitation always takes a place of honour (or calumny, if you prefer). “His vile anti-British career”, wrote the preserver of British values Abhijit Pandya in the Daily Mail, culminated in 2005 as he “invited well-known anti-semite Israel Shamir to the House of Lords to talk about ‘Jews and Empire’”. He “hosted a book launch in the Lords for a notorious antisemite”, said the Times.

Wikipedia tells that he “hosted a book launch in the House of Lords for the controversial writer Israel Shamir, during which the latter claimed, among other things: “The Jews like an Empire…. This love of Empire explains the easiness Jews change their allegiance…. Simple minds call it ‘treacherous behaviour’, but it is actually love of Empire per se.” The Guardian said that he “hosted a reception at the House of Lords for the anti-Semitic writer Israel Shamir, who used the occasion to accuse Jews of wanting to set up a world empire”.

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I do not know whether Lord Ahmed had read much (or any) of my writing before this invitation. He said in an interview given to a journalist of Al Jazeera Mehdi Hasan (for New Statesman and Huffington Post) that he didn’t Google me – “that’s my biggest mistake,” he admits. Does he regret the Shamir invitation? “I do. Because that’s kind of a big stain on my reputation.” Mehdi Hasan, fighting for the Brown Nose Award of the Year, kept pushing (there are Arabs who are just great in defending the Jewish cause, and two of them, Ali Abunimah and Hussein Ibish, attacked me and some years later, attacked Gilad Atzmon, too) and Lord Ahmad profusely apologised: “”I completely and unreservedly apologise to the Jewish community, to the judiciary, to the newspaper owners.” But you know that apologies do not help.

I am not hurt by Lord Ahmed’s attempt to straighten his relations with the powerful British Jewish community and with even-more-powerful British Judeophiles. It is very probable that he got more than he bargained for. He reasonably expected that an Israeli Jew he invited would present a straightforward line saying that the evil things done by Israelis are totally at variance with Jewish values and ethics. That I’ll drop a tear saying how come that wonderful Jews had been perverted by Zionism. Or alternatively that I wouldn’t even utter the word “Jew”. Probably it would have been better indeed.

On the other hand, Israeli Jews who do the expected things do not go as far as I did. They do not support full equality of a Jew with a non-Jew in the whole land of Palestine; they do not support the right of Palestinian refugees to come home. Even the best of Israeli Jews like the late lamented Uri Avnery were all for Bantustanised Palestine and for separation of non-Jews. That’s the way with Jews: when they are in minority, they support the minority rights; when they are in power, they repress the others. Such observations earned me the title of ‘controversial’ ‘antisemite’ and worse.

Lord Ahmed was not attacked because he invited me. I am not that important. He was attacked because of his support for Palestine, and my name had been used just as a marker of opprobrium to frighten off the meek. Likewise, my wonderful friend Julian Assange had been persecuted and almost martyred for revealing the hidden secrets of the empire, not because of my friendship, though it is always mentioned together with his Swedish sex scandal. That is the way the Lobby smears and neutralises people.

Because of his support for Palestine, Lord Ahmed had got on the black list of you-know-who, and they began their vendetta. In 2007, they had their field day when Lord Ahmed had a road accident. It was presented that he killed a pedestrian while texting and driving, though it was far from the truth. In reality, a drunken young foreigner bumped his Audi against the separating fence of the motorway and, confused by the shock, headed wrong way in the fast lane. Lord Ahmed, who drove his Jaguar with the whole of his family had no chance to avoid the head-on crash. The young foreigner was killed, Ahmed was wounded. Even the appeal judge said there was “little or nothing” Ahmed could have done to avoid the collision. After being knocked unconscious, he had come to and “risked his life trying to flag down other vehicles to stop them colliding with the Audi or his car”, commended the appeal judge.

During the trial, the prosecution revealed that Ahmed texted somebody a few minutes before the crush. This was true, as Ahmed admitted, though it had no relation to the fatal accident. It was as irrelevant as the question what he had had for lunch. He was not accused of killing, or of causing death, or of causing accident by dangerous driving – only of texting while driving. But a very independent British justice sentenced him to jail for several months. This was the first time a person with no previous offences had been sentenced to jail time for texting – usually it is a fine.

He appealed and quickly got out of jail, but not sooner than the Labour Party suspended him. A few years later, he said in an interview that he was unjustly punished by a judge who was obliged to the Jewish Lobby. He also said that Jewish media lords are after him because he travelled to Gaza to support Palestinians. This (factually true and obvious) remark created uproar. You know, you may not say such things! He was again suspended by the Labour, and had left the Party reasonably expecting to be expelled, as practically all friends of Palestine were.

He also said he would pay millions of dollars to deliver President Bush and his poodle Blair to the ICC in the Hague to stand trial for war crimes – a righteous sentiment that I am sure many of us share to this day. But the Jewish-owned British media was after him; his words were made to sound like he wanted actually to kidnap the criminal duo.

Together with other staunch defenders of Palestine and anti-war activists George Galloway and Ken Livingstone, also hunted by the Semite Squad, Lord Ahmed was out of the Party and marginalised. Corbyn trimmed the tree that supported him. All three men still love Corbyn, but they are unable to help him.

The enemy had kept on trying to get Lord Ahmed. A few years later, a Muslim woman-lawyer, the head of a Citizen Advice Bureau, came complaining that the lord took advantage of her depression, whatever it means. Her complaint to the House of Lords had been rejected; nothing the Baron did was illegal or immoral or even unacceptable for a peer. But mainstream media turned this non-event into a festival of hate.

The last card played against Lord Ahmed was almost unbeatable. Sex-crime allegation turns the accused into a toxic object and depletes his support; that’s why the enemy usually employs it. Thus Julian Assange, another great friend of mine, had been accused of ‘minor rape’ (having unprotected sex). Ahmed was accused of three sex attacks on children. The Times reported that “he was charged with two attempted rapes and an indecent assault. His alleged victims were a girl and a boy aged under 13”. Sounds awful! Such a fiend should rot in jail, you’d murmur.

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Reality is quite different. The alleged misdeeds took place almost 50 years ago, when Ahmed was a teenager (he is 62 now). The complainants, a lady lawyer from Liverpool and her brother a grocer from Rotherham are cousins of Ahmed, a few years younger than him. They were in good relations, went to family weddings and things, but then the Liverpool lawyer ‘discovered her true sexuality’, shacked up with another Indian lady, and decided to fight the ugly world of men with their male privilege. She remembered all the evil things she had suffered in her last fifty years, and among them something that happened (or didn’t happen) in Yorkshire when she was 12. This was the main reason for the complaint, but in addition she felt she and her brother were cheated of an inheritance they felt should be theirs. The brother says he has to stand by his sister; so he also complained that 50 years ago Ahmed and his brothers assaulted him and tried to rape her.

At first, police had sent the cousins home, saying such claims are impossible to prosecute. But for some reason, police then decided indeed to act on such a case. One reason was political: the enemies of the lord could not miss such a chance. The second reason was that in England “historical sex crimes” came into vogue. The war hero Lord Bramall had been investigated for some ‘historical sex crimes’ when he was 92; his house had been searched, he had been questioned at length, but he wasn’t charged, and he had received the apologies of the police. Alleged crimes of the late singer Michael Jackson have been given cinematic treatment though he was exculpated by court.

If you have a newspaper, or better, the BBC, you can accuse anybody. Sometimes it misfires, as in the case of Cliff Richard, who was accused by the BBC, sued them and received millions in compensation. But Ahmed had been screwed by bad publicity. The Muslim lady from the Citizen Advice Bureau could not get Ahmed by law, and the House of Lords rejected her claims, but the BBC took it up and made the whole program about her and the Baron. And now the Lesbian Liverpool-Lawyer case has been presented like Ahmed is some paedophile, though in reality it is rehashing of some forgotten child grievances.

Probably the case will come to naught, but the political harm is huge, and it is a question whether Lord Ahmed will ever recover. His courageous position on Palestine and against the war has brought on him enmity of the Tribe, and they are a vengeful lot, who neither forgive, nor ever forget. In discussion of Ilhan Omar it was frequently said that non-whites can get away with more things than the whites. The case of the Lord Ahmed is a sterling proof of the opposite.

Israel Shamir can be reached at [email protected]

This article was first published at The Unz Review.

 
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  1. What are the rapes of tens of thousands of English girls compared to the boon of allowing one renegade Jew to give a speech?

    • Agree: hamtok
  2. Anyone of any race is castigated as approving if they even question claims of sex abuse, regardless of any exaggeration or ridiculous scenario. Though real cases of severe sex abuse are of course awful, common sense was long ago surpassed by the ratings-boosting effect of sex scandals.

    Each individual accusation should be assessed on its own merits, and Western liberties depend on that. The practice of guilty-by-accusation does not even serve the cause of all real victims; it conflates milder mistakes with brutal and humiliating violations.

    In this distorted era, violent rapists who kill, maime or forever destroy their victims lives can even be rewarded, financially speaking, in the right identity politics context, whereas minor incidents that earlier generations of parents would have punished in a way befitting the bad behavior are punished to the hilt in the media if not the courts.

    The aftermath of the Central Park jogger’s super-violent, life-shattering gang rape is a good example of a woman suffering horribly for life, with men convicted of brutal rape in the days when little DNA was collected at crime scenes going free after a few years. The men received multi millions when the verdict was reversed based on modern DNA-collection standards, even though they confessed on tape with parents or guardians present to the rape and savage beating of the woman. The case was endlessly used as an example of a racist court system since the men were Black, and the woman was white.

    I’m not sure how this topic relates to politicians elected to represent the British People making a priority of the Palestinian cause, albeit Rep. Omar’s confusion about which people she was elected to represent is analogous. Top it off with the fact that Somolia, Rep. Omar’s country of origin, and Pakistan, the country of origin for the British politican, are…not….even…Palestine.

    It still wouldn’t be acceptable for elected politicians in Western countries to put the issues of a foreign nation first, but it would at least look less like they were putting Islamic concerns ahead of the people’s business in nations with non-religious forms of governamce if they were actually born in the Palestinian territory.

  3. Anon[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Endgame Napoleon

    It’s about something called feminine power — which is something pretty enthusiastically championed by almost all women and most men (all the men who haven’t had enough success with women to learn their real nature, and idealize them as spotless Cherubs).

    Power by its very essence wills its own growth, and justifies it by imagining itself in a position of disadvantage, its growth necessary to even the field.

  4. @Kent Nationalist

    What is the connection with the case? Ahmed’s cousin is a Kashmiri woman, nor was she raped. How does she transform into tens of thousands of English girls, in your mind?

    • Replies: @Polemos
  5. Anon[145] • Disclaimer says:

    I have been among non-Jews all life, and all the social dynamics you, Shamir, relate about in your writings were into effect most of the time.

    So? There is a reason if important books of your religion call this earth a vale of tears, and not an amusement park.

  6. @Endgame Napoleon

    None of the members of the US Congress who routinely pledge their loyalty and their constituents’ tax monies to Israel were born there, although all but a handful have been there, some more than a dozen times, courtesy of a of a tax exempt foundation created by the leading pro-Israel Jewish lobby, AIPAC, to get around the law that prohibits lobbies from paying for trips abroad for members of Congress.

    Unlike those of her colleagues who are only too happy to suck on the lobby’s teat, Ilhan Omar was speaking for her constituents when she condemned this practice. On the negative side she has been smeared as antisemite, although everything she said was true as well as having received death threats which in the US are something that needs to be taken seriously.

    On the positive side she has not only successfully stood up to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi whose labors for Israel should have required her to register as a foreign agent but she and her fellow Muslim, Palestinian-American Rashida Tlaib, have recently been endorsed for next year’s elections by MoveOn, the largest grassroots democratic organization in the US and has been very close to the Democrat Party.

    • Agree: renfro, Digital Samizdat
  7. But you know that apologies do not help

    Worse still, public figures who apologise set themselves up for a future of genuflection, and the requirement to behave qua supplicant to any group to whom they apologise. I don’t like to ever refer to sociological research because it’s usually shit, but Hanania (2015)[1] conforms to my prejudices: if you apologise to progressives or women, they want to punish you more than if you don’t: I would think it’s a lay down misère that this applies – with bells on – if you apologise to any part of the organised grievance industry.

    Still…

    Frankly, it’s a bit of a wash for me: anyone who wants to be a ‘lord’ deserves for their children to get a slow-but-painful terminal cancer – just so they can know what it feels like to be on the receiving end of unfeeling, parasitic entities that have well-understood detrimental long-term consequences.

    inb4 He’s solid on Palestine“.

    He’s a member of the political class (which means his ‘values’ are always for sale)… so meh.

    Watching a member of the political class being targeted by Zionist jobbers[2] is a bit like watching a tumour being targeted by a different, equally malignant tumour… you just don’t know who to hate more.

    If ‘Lord’ Ahmed and the entire grievance industry were collectively struck by a painful, terminal form of haemorrhagic fever, I would not even bother to watch who died first – I would just have a celebratory drink or five and look forward to a better tomorrow.

    [1] Hanania, R. (2015) “Does Apologizing Work? An Empirical Test of the Conventional Wisdom” SSRN: https://ssrn.com/abstract=2654465 or http://dx.doi.org/10.2139/ssrn.2654465

    [2] It’s really hard to hit upon the correct phrase to describe the vermin who comprise the Zionist grievance industry. It’s stupid to blame ‘Jews’, because most Jews don’t participate in, or benefit from, the grievance industry (except perhaps indirectly). The same is true of terms like ‘organised Jewry’

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  8. Polemos says:
    @israel shamir

    I think Kent Nationalist is referring to what you refer to with describing Rotherham as “notorious for Pakistani men suborning young English girls.” He’s joking that they are not worth listening to you, or maybe that’s not a joke? Hard to tell at the gallows.

  9. anon[316] • Disclaimer says:

    In addition, he is from Rotherham, the town notorious for Pakistani men suborning young English girls

    odd word to use for rape

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  10. notanon says:
    @Kent Nationalist

    the businessmen behind the rape gangs are all being protected by the UK media-political class so this is probably nothing to do with that and just about attacking Corbyn.

  11. renfro says:

    What is it with Jews and sex blackmail? Sex sex sex seems to be their favorite form of blackmail. Kushner’s father hired a prostitute in a scheme to blackmail his own brother.
    Here’s the odious Jewish son and father team, Trump supporters that have run rampant using web sites and twitter to accuse everyone from Mueller to AOC to Mayor Pete to dozens of others. They’ve been caught, sued, had to pay fines, been permanently banned from twitter and facebook and still keep on doing it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Wohl

    • Agree: Tom Welsh
  12. To cut through the Gordian knot, none of you should be in the west. Pakis, Jews (whether Ashkenazi or Sephardic). All of this intrigue and drama about balancing the interests of different groups is nothing but a demonstration of why we should have separate nations. Let the Pakis do their buggering, clitoris-chopping and acid attacks in Pakistan.

    • Agree: Chris Mallory, TKK
  13. Tsigantes says:

    We are lucky that our tyrants still observe a threadbare facade of democracy. The more they tyrannise, the more they are forced to reveal themselves, and thus the public can see not only who they are but also their motives. Thus their gang warfare against those who resist them also becomes obvious, their techniques predictable and their victims (Ahmed, Livingstone et al – the list is becoming endless) become heroes.

    We are in an interesting balance of power now between an increasingly alert and comprehending public and an increasingly self-exposed elite. This has been brought into stark relief by the Gilets Jaunes (82% of the French) vs its virulently anti-French ‘leader’ Macron, the public face of one of the important heads of the Hydra.

  14. sarz says:

    The First Law of Antisemitism is: Never apologise!

    In place of an apolology one can offer superhuman sympathy for every evil soul offended by the truth. God loves every sinner, and each of us must aspire to divine love.

    • Replies: @Whitewolf
  15. Republic says:

    He also said he would pay millions of dollars to deliver President Bush and his poodle Blair to the ICC in the Hague to stand trial for war crimes –

    I sure would like to contribute to that fund to see Bush and Blair in the dock for war crimes!

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
  16. @anon

    It was more than rape, the girls were raped and then suborned into prostitution.

  17. @Endgame Napoleon

    Anyone of any race is castigated as approving if they even question claims of sex abuse, regardless of any exaggeration or ridiculous scenario.

    Unless the suspects happen to be friends of the Clintons, in which case you’re castigated simply for mentioning the mere possibility of sexual abuse.

    I’m not sure how this topic relates to politicians elected to represent the British People making a priority of the Palestinian cause …

    Just a technical point: if Lord Ahmed is a peer in the House of Lords, then he wasn’t, strictly speaking, elected by any British People other than the queen.

  18. @Kratoklastes

    It’s stupid to blame ‘Jews’, because most Jews don’t participate in, or benefit from, the grievance industry (except perhaps indirectly).

    That’s not the point. The point is: When will they stand up to and call out the anti-goy bigotry in their midst? Israel Shamir (God bless him) does this; so does Ron Unz, so does Gilad Atzmon, and so do all our other favorite ‘ex-Jews’. Think about it: normie Jews are always demanding that we take a stand against ‘anti-semitism’ (whose definition seems to change with the tide) s0, so when are we going to demand that they take a stand against anti-gentilism?

  19. In addition, he is from Rotherham, the town notorious for Pakistani men suborning young English girls.

    The very moment I first saw the headlines about ‘Lord Rotherham accused of sex crimes,’ I had a powerful hunch that we were being toyed with. Rotherham–that’s just too perfect, isn’t it! Thanks for giving us the real story behind this, Mr. Shamir. Now it all makes sense.

    This political eclipse of a strong and charismatic figure, the natural leader of British Muslim community …

    Instead, Brit Pakis are offered a bunch of Zio-Moz losers like Sadiq Khan to be “natural leaders.” Sad …

  20. Tom Welsh says:

    “He also said he would pay millions of dollars to deliver President Bush and his poodle Blair to the ICC in the Hague to stand trial for war crimes – a righteous sentiment that I am sure many of us share to this day. But the Jewish-owned British media was after him; his words were made to sound like he wanted actually to kidnap the criminal duo”.

    And why shouldn’t they be kidnapped, if that’s what it takes to bring them before a court? The Israelis have always been quite happy to kidnap people whom they don’t like from anywhere in the world, to bring them to Israel and execute them after a mock trial.

    As have the Americans.

    • Agree: RobinG
  21. The not-so-subtle message to Brit Pakis here is: pimp and rape British women all you want–but don’t you dare condemn Zionism!

    There you go, Brits. Now you know (((who rules over you))).

  22. Tom Welsh says:

    “If you have a newspaper, or better, the BBC, you can accuse anybody. Sometimes it misfires, as in the case of Cliff Richard, who was accused by the BBC, sued them and received millions in compensation”.

    Yes – millions of taxpayers’ money which the BBC is entitled by law to grab through the so-called “licence fee” (actually a tax).

    It is absurd that public servants, actuated by malice and ambition, can commit such heinous acts and then get the taxpayer to provide money in compensation.

    Those individuals responsible should either go to prison, or pay substantial damages.

  23. Tom Welsh says:
    @renfro

    “What is it with Jews and sex blackmail? Sex sex sex seems to be their favorite form of blackmail”.

    Certainly in the UK and the USA.

    Probably because it works so very well. As Caitlin Johnstone remarks, most people do not let mere facts stand in the way of a narrative they like. So when a person is castigated for sex crimes, the lubricious and hypocritical British immediately classify that person as an irredeemable “monster”. From that moment on, nothing he says will be heard and nothing he does noticed.

    The technique would not work if the mass of the populace were not ignorant, bigoted, thoughtless, vengeful and, above all, supremely eager to signal their own virtue by condemning others – guilty or innocent, it doesn’t matter.

    • Replies: @anon
  24. @renfro

    What is it with Jews and sex blackmail?

    Jews are at the heart of every perversion of sex, once the intimate act between two people who love each other, is now a commodity to be traded for the destruction of our society. From the proliferation of pornography to human trafficking, there is a jew minting coin. Sexual blackmail is at the heart of tools used by the likes of Epstein and others to control and manipulate our politicians for the benefit of Israel. Clinton and Trump were both (allegedly) ensnared in that trap.

    • Replies: @Republic
    , @Herald
    , @renfro
  25. The Michael Jackson example you used is quite a terrible one to prove your assertion.

  26. @Digital Samizdat

    Don’t forget the greatest champion(or sucker) of the Israeli cause amongst British Muzzies, one of the most influential and biggest “friends of Israel”..the one and the only..drumroll please…Sajid Javed.

    He is also a Punjabi.

    So is Nikki Haley, another ziopig defender of israel cockroach.

    As is Jindal. “Bobby”.

    Gosh darn Punjabis…

    • Agree: Moi
  27. @Digital Samizdat

    These harebrained pieces of brown trash feel so “isolated” and left out that they try to vie for acceptance by besting anglozionists and krautzionists at their own game of blind defense of the zionist entity in the ME.

  28. anon[297] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tom Welsh

    The technique would not work if the mass of the populace were not ignorant, bigoted, thoughtless, vengeful and, above all, supremely eager to signal their own virtue by condemning others – guilty or innocent, it doesn’t matter.

    and how did they get that way?

    by watching joomedia

  29. Republic says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Sodomy and Usury are twin vices of The Jews.

  30. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jeff Blankfort

    Reply only way i know how to AGREE.

  31. Wally says:
    @anon

    Liar Joseph Hirt is no different from all the alleged “$urvivors” (who wouldn’t exist if the laughable “holocaust” narrative was factual).

    They make utterly impossible claims, claims which conflict with other claims, claims which conflict with the story they are meant to support.

    recommended:
    Ridiculous “Testimonies”: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7033

    Also see here as another laughable “Industry” liar is demolished:
    Myles Power – “Debunking Holocaust Denial” video series: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12438

    http://www.codoh.com

  32. Che Guava says:

    Dear Jesus.

    I had thought you to be a Christian convert for many years. Your posts of yesterday invalidate that.

  33. joe webb says:

    wiki: “Nazir Ahmed, Baron Ahmed of Rotherham is a member of the British House of Lords. He was appointed on the recommendation of Prime Minister Tony Blair in 1998. Many of his political activities relate to the Muslim community both in the UK and abroad. Ahmed was a member of the Labour Party for most of his career.” Wikipedia

    I had to look- up just how a relative Nobody gets to be a Peer.

    I found out…he represents the muzzies. This is called Accomodation and Politics. OK.

    So the communist Shamir gets the Muzzie Peer some good press, at least here.

    What has The Peer actually accomplished, except for Representing the Muzzies? Do non-muzzie Palestinians, like Christians, like him?

    Communists and Socialists nowadays are just Third World Promoters. Whatever the natives want they get, from a Shamir or a Biden, to Labor in general. When is a Labor not a labor party? Always.

    It is just the Decolonization subcommittees led by haters of Whites, with Jews at or near the top.
    Call Shamir not the Chair, but the vice-Chair.

    Palestinians would be smart to chuck him and the muzzie in question here. Muzzies are bad for business if you want traction with actually existing White folks, both in Europe and here in the US.

    The Labor Party , like the US Dem Party, enrolls the Muzzies and all the Third World trash, in their War Against Whites. Shamir, the Jew, just follows the Standard Operating Procedure of the Jews.

    Palestine is therefore betrayed, by just another communist Jew. Palestine the Cat’s Paw for International Hatred of the First World/First Race.

    If Trump pulls a rabbit out of the hat for Palestine, Shamir will denounce it.
    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @Republic
    , @Ace
  34. Herald says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    Clinton and Trump were both (allegedly) ensnared in that trap.

    Well they would have been, wouldn’t they.

  35. The zionists in their madness are going to trigger the “Jewish catastrophe”. They will fail, the Messiah will not come to Jerusalen to fulfil his word, but the gentile will have to pay the price and it will be costly.
    The Zionists are unhealable, they are mad and those behind the “New world order”, the banksters are no better. I don’t think that we are going to be saved through a “Deus ex machina”, we are marching to Armageddon.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
    , @anon
  36. @Kent Nationalist

    ‘What are the rapes of tens of thousands of English girls compared to the boon of allowing one renegade Jew to give a speech?’

    On the other hand, what are the deaths of millions of unwanted kittens every year compared to the boon of allowing one idiot to post?

  37. Republic says:
    @joe webb

    Thanks for that information, when I read his bio I got the whiff of extreme opportunism.
    Of course his rapid rise to peerdom was made possible by one of the most odious politicians in British history,Blair

    • Replies: @joe webb
  38. @Jeff Blankfort

    Good to see you here at Unz, Jeff. I hope to see more frequent posts from you.

    • Agree: renfro
  39. RobinG says:
    @Jeff Blankfort

    Too bad Rashida doesn’t seem to know any FP but Palestine. She’s a run-of-the-mill “prog-Dem” regime-changer when it comes to Syria – – as are so many Pal. supporters, whose understanding of manufactured news and propaganda ends at the border of their tiny enclave. Groan. [Not to mention the Ikhwan operatives who know damn well, but have their own agenda.]

  40. In unrelated news, the British authorities are so desperate to honour people of colour that often they scrape the barrel to find suitable candidates. It is disappointing but unsurprising when we learn that those honoured are even less likely than their white peers to be paragons of virtue.

  41. Ace says:
    @joe webb

    In the distant past, say, 1787, the theory was that the law should protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. The minority should have unalienable rights.

    Now the central idea is that the majority are to be tyrannized by the minorities and the majority are to have no rights.

    Show me the Western nation where the asses of minorities are not lovingly and enthusiastically kissed. Buffoons like OAC, Camela Harris, Elijah Cummings, and Maxine Waters are treated as fonts of wisdom. And the pathetic Elizabeth Warren searched the family broom closet for just a shred, a speck, a subatomic particle, the merest lick of a reason to claim her non-whiteness, to reject her own in favor of a lie, if needs be, winning thereby the gold in the Olympics of self-abasement and knowing which way the wind was blowing.

    Not only do whites face The Great Replacement but we must endure The Great Inversion. In our own country. Is it any wonder that the clueless Donald Trump effortlessly deflects the lightning bolts hurled his way? People are figuring this all out and figure any port in the storm. Chapter 2 will be interesting.

    • Replies: @joe webb
  42. renfro says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    There have been so many Jews caught in the sexual harassment cases that I thought maybe someone(s) has finally turned the tables on the Jews and its a conspiracy to get rid of them….lol

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Cloak And Dagger
  43. Whitewolf says:
    @sarz

    Apologizing for anti-semitism is simply an admission of guilt to Jews who will hound you relentlessly forever after. Expecting forgiveness in such a situation is just silly.

  44. Wally says:
    @renfro

    Renfro, it’s a long list:

    perverted Rabbi performs bris ritual /circumcision with mouth, teeth:

    [MORE]

    Child molestor / rapist, Zionist Roman Polanski:
    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/jan/30/hollywood-reverence-child-rapist-roman-polanski-convicted-40-years-on-run

    The Specifically Jewy Perviness of Harvey Weinstein: https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/246724/the-specifically-jewy-perviness-of-harvey-weinstein

    ‘holocaust’ shyster Claude Lanzmann Accused of Sexual Assault: http://media.tpo.nl/2017/10/19/nrc-columniste-beschuldigt-franse-holocaust-documentairemaker-aanranding-metoo/

    Soros associate Sued For Viciously Abusing Women In “Manhattan Sex Dungeon”, Zionist / Jew Howie Rubin, was accused in a $27 million lawsuit filed in Brooklyn federal court of luring women to his sex dungeon: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-03/former-soros-fund-manager-sued-viciously-abusing-women

    Zionist Jew Dustin Hoffman Sexually Harassed 17 year old: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/dustin-hoffman-sexually-harassed-me-i-was-17-guest-column-1053466

    Jew & NPR Chief Editor Michael Oreske Suspended Over Harassment Allegations: http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/31/npr-chief-editor-suspended-over-harassment-allegations/

    Six women accuse Jew filmmaker Brett Ratner of sexual harassment or misconduct: http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-brett-ratner-allegations-20171101-htmlstory.html

    Nationally known Jewish children’s singer, songwriter arrested by FBI for child pornography: http://us.blastingnews.com/news/2017/09/nationally-known-jewish-childrens-singer-songwriter-arrested-on-child-pornogra-002024197.html

    38 accuse writer/director James Toback of sexual harassment: https://www.yahoo.com/news/38-accuse-writer-director-james-toback-sexual-harassment-182029031.html

    fake ‘holocaust’ shyster Elie Wiesel accused of sexual assault: https://medium.com/@jblistman/when-i-was-nineteen-years-old-elie-wiesel-grabbed-my-ass-10370829c4bd

    Five women accuse ABC journalist Zionist Jew & author Mark Halperin of forced sex & sexual harassment: : http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/25/media/mark-halperin-sexual-harassment-allegations/index.html

    WME’s Adam Venit on Leave Amid Sexual Harassment Allegations Involving Actor Terry Crews: http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/adam-venit-terry-crews-sexual-harassment-1202605857/

    ‘holocaust’ shyster Claude Lanzmann Accused of Sexual Assault: http://media.tpo.nl/2017/10/19/nrc-columniste-beschuldigt-franse-holocaust-documentairemaker-aanranding-metoo/

    Soros associate Sued For Viciously Abusing Women In “Manhattan Sex Dungeon”
    Zionist / Jew Howie Rubin, 62, a former Bear Stearns trader who was featured in the best-selling Michael Lewis novels “Liar’s Poker” and “The Big Short,” was accused in a $27 million lawsuit filed in Brooklyn federal court of luring women to his sex dungeon
    : http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-03/former-soros-fund-manager-sued-viciously-abusing-women

  45. @renfro

    There have been so many Jews caught in the sexual harassment cases

    It’s catch-and-release. Weinstein is still out there. Epstein got a gentle slap on the wrist and got a cushy prison club for a year, where he wasn’t even confined during the day. The Dershbag is still out there, endearing himself to Trump because Israel loves him. Meanwhile, all those minors had their lives destroyed by the Megalodon of Zionist pedophilia, pornography, human trafficking, and its ecosystem of filth and depravity.

    You know, there are people like Talha out there with absolute certainty of a benevolent and loving deity, and their lives are focussed on serving this master without once doubting him/her. I, on the other hand, have no faith in its existence.

    A deity, either does not exist, or it is neither loving nor benevolent because it allows zionist atrocities for millennia without lifting a finger to help the victims, and instead tells them to turn the other cheek. If that is the nature of such a deity, then he/she is an asshole, and I have no use for him/her.

    Folks, don’t wait for some God/Allah to save you from Zionist clutches. We either unite and save ourselves, or perish like the millions before us. We either live together with our fellow citizens and unite against the zionist forces, or we die alone separately. Our choice.

    • Agree: renfro
    • Replies: @Hercule Poirot
  46. I hadn’t realized what had happened to Cliff Richard. Thanks Israel.

    • Replies: @Hercule Poirot
  47. @Cloak And Dagger

    You know, there are people like Talha out there with absolute certainty of a benevolent and loving deity, and their lives are focussed on serving this master without once doubting him/her. I, on the other hand, have no faith in its existence.

    Hi C&D,Why the deity is always has to be “he/she”. Does the deity have sexual organs! How about the deity being “it”. BTW, most of the Middle East languages (Semitic Languages) don’t have a “it”. However, calling the deity “it” could be demeaning to “it”. LOL!

    All the nouns are either feminine or masculine, and one has to match gender for gender. House is male and car is female, thus bayt ahmar (house red (ahmar)) and sayara hamara (car red (hamara)). Crazy huh!

    Folks, don’t wait for some God/Allah to save you from Zionist clutches.

    There are no capital letters too. Everything is “noun” there are no (proper nouns, nouns and pronouns). Only “nouns”. To emphasize the “noun” the definite article “the” is used in front of the noun. It is “al/el” in Arabic and “ha” in Hebrew. Therefore “allah” is two words, the definite article “al” and “ilah” (eloh) for deity.

    The fundies who don’t know Arabic, will claim that allah is the name of deity. Imagine, deity has a name! For this reason the Jews say Blessed be HaShem (The Name)! because it is nameless.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  48. @RobinG

    Too bad Rashida doesn’t seem to know any FP but Palestine. She’s a run-of-the-mill “prog-Dem” regime-changer when it comes to Syria – – as are so many Pal. supporters, whose understanding of manufactured news and propaganda ends at the border of their tiny enclave. Groan. [Not to mention the Ikhwan operatives who know damn well, but have their own agenda.]

    Very true! And, I like your post.

    It is always, “Own Agenda”. The Muslims know at the death of Mohammad, while his body was still warm, Islam was hijacked by Jews. All the Traditions (Hadiths, Sayings) were burned. Parts of the Quran were burnt too. And, the Quran was issued in non-chronological order by chapters and by verses within the chapters too! The first Quran was issued in Old Arabic without Quranic Classical Arabic and without the dots (above and below) for the letters. So letters such as “N, T, Y, B, J ……. cannot be distinguished from each other. Eighty years later after Mohammad’s death, the Quran was put into Proper Quranic Classical Arabic and with dots for the letters.

    Muslims believe that Mohammad came in the “age of ignorance” to take them into “enlightenment”. After around 250 years later a blind man named Bukhari from Bukhara compiled 3,500 (total about 7,000 with duplicates) which he called, “The Authentic Traditions (Sayings) of the Prophet”. Authenticated by his own standard, who has never heard of Chinese Whispers. He authenticated the person who narrated to him, all the ways 250 years earlier, all this people in the chain are truthful. He called it, “Science of Men”.

    Let us some of the things Mohammad is accused of in his books:
    1. Mohammad married a six years old child and consummated the marriage with her at the age of nine, without her consent.
    2. Mohammad tortured and killed people. Such as digging trenches and putting men into them the trenches and letting them die without water and food in these hot weathers of Middle East.
    3. Before putting them into trenches, Mohammad tortured them by putting hot iron in their eyes.
    4. Mohammad used to rob caravans.
    5. Mohammad commanded to drink camel urine for healing.

    And, on and on…..

    You will have fundies, Wahhabis, Ikhwan operatives swearing up and down and justifying Mohammad did these things, as it was the norm those days. They forget that Mohammad came to take them out from the “age of ignorance”. No sir/madam, Mr. Bukhari cannot be wrong….

  49. @Fran Macadam

    I hadn’t realized what had happened to Cliff Richard. Thanks Israel.

    The Quran is very clear about the Jews who were nasty people and cow worshipers. They learned Monotheism from the Arabs and culture too. In Quran chapter 20, it is the story of Golden Calf and chapter two of the Quran is called, “Cow” as Jews being the cow worshiper. Another story of cow worshiping beside Golden Calf.

    These were nasty people who gave Mosses hell for forty years. This is the story of the Modern Jews. During Jesus time, Hebrew was a dead non-existence language. Jesus and his disciples talked with each others in Aramaic. All the Semitic languages, including Arabic were not evolved enough to write the Scripture. Yes, there were few papyrus here and there in Semitic languages, but not the full Scripture. For this reason the New Testament were in Koine Greek and later the same was translated into Semitic languages. The Torah from verbal was translated into Greek (Pentateuch), which took about 200 years. The rest of the Old Testament never existed in written form. There are two versions of translated Old Testament.

    The Isaiah is not the last chapter of the Old Testament. It is all about prediction of King of Babylon and how a Virgin Girl will give birth. This Virgin Girl gave birth to Aziz, which the Jews took him as Son of God. The Jesus version was later. Jews taking Aziz as Son of God is in the Quran. The first Scripture written in Semitic language is Quran in Arabic. The Quranic Classical Arabic is the miracle of Prophet Mohammad. From this Quranic Classical Arabic, the TaNaKh (Old Testament) was written in Hebrew during 12th to 15th centuries. Hebrew as a spoken language written by masses was revived from Arabic in late 19th century.

    We have taught the Jews the Monotheism, the Culture, the Language and the Food… Go Figure!

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  50. @Jean de Peyrelongue

    The Zionists are unhealable, they are mad and those behind the “New world order”, the banksters are no better.

    Zionists, banksters … (((but I repeat myself))).

    😀 😀 😀

  51. @RobinG

    Too bad Rashida doesn’t seem to know any FP but Palestine. She’s a run-of-the-mill “prog-Dem” regime-changer when it comes to Syria – – as are so many Pal. supporters, whose understanding of manufactured news and propaganda ends at the border of their tiny enclave. Groan. [Not to mention the Ikhwan operatives who know damn well, but have their own agenda.]

    You just nailed it right there at the end: a lot of these pro-régime-change Muzzies have ties to the Moslem Brotherhood. It was the Brotherhood that initiated the uprising against the Syrian government, with the Al-Qaeda types only taking over once it was obvious the Brotherhood had failed. And the Brotherhood elsewhere (e.g., the short-lived Mohammed Morsi government of Egypt) was also fiercely supportive of the ‘Syrian’ rebels.

    Even in the West, the Brotherhood is being quietly–but noticeably–established as a kind of semi-respectable Moslem fundamentalist organization for public consumption. Contrast, for example, the relative visibility of Huma Abedin and Linda Sarsour in the US or Tariq Ramadan in Europe (all three affiliated with the Ikhwan) with the total media blackout on anybody sympathetic to Hezbollah in the West. That’ll tell you a lot.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  52. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:

    Why are politicians being made peers in the first place? There’s really nothing more absurd in principle about Ahmed being Lord Rotherham than Disraeli being the Earl of Beaconsfield; it’s only a matter of degree.

    But it is bizarre. And sexual misconduct seems to be endemic to the modern British ruling class native and foreign, who also seem to protect it among their subjects, particularly the Mirpuris, so I wouldn’t be particularly surprised if even graver charges turned out to be true, though the exposure would certainly be politically motivated.

  53. @Hercule Poirot

    There are so many flaws within the hadith, and you have mentioned one of them

  54. @Hercule Poirot

    Does the deity have sexual organs!

    Well, in today’s era of gender fluidity, the zionists have taught us that sexual organs are no indicator of your gender!

    I didn’t want to offend Christians and Muslims alike by referring to God/Allah as “it”.

    Thanks for the linguistic education, however.

  55. @Hercule Poirot

    We have taught the Jews the Monotheism, the Culture, the Language and the Food… Go Figure!

    That is fascinating historical revision! Can you provide some links to the source of this info, please?

  56. joe webb says:
    @Republic

    thanks Republic…and then there is the oddness of a leftie like Shamir genuflecting before a Peer, a Lord for Revolution’s sake, who is not exactly a Tory Socialist, but a damned fereigner championiing the Bringers of Rivers of Blood to the streets of Merrie England ….which in 1215 more or less erected the first bulwark against lawlessness (of the King) and thereby helped the Rule of Law develop outside REligion’s totalitarian character.

    Sharia is Totalitarian Religion, a gift of the Arabs to the Mother of Parliaments.

    So Shamir and Lefties generally have no problem with this.

    I see that Jeeff Blankfort has showed up here on Unz. Blankfort is another Jewish communist/socialist marching along with Shamir under the banner of anti-Zionism. Anti-Zionism is becoming the Third World Revolution’s major PR prop. This, I suppose to help contain the huge failure of South Africa’s increasingly totalitarian Blackness Revolution Against Whites. And of course, Kafir (is it?) stupidity/uselessness/brutality.

    These jews are actually the children of Trotsky. They represent the essentially Jewish tyranny of both neocons and communists.

    The Leninist/Trotskyist One-Party dictatorship is present in Old Testament, Communist, and Democrat Party of the US now that the strategy of the Dems is to win the Revolution at the ballot-box with the teeming masses of Mexican border jumpers.

    This will be the first stage of The Revolution…Socialism, to be followed by Communism, run by Jews and Drakes like Van Jones, the communist at CNN.

    Never mind that the word “nigger” was on the lips of Uncle Karl all the time and that his Dialectical Materialism did not apply to the Darkies of the world, only Europe. Marx of course was a racist, along with everybody else.

    Now the Shamirs and Blankforts ( I am personally acquainted with both of them) got Racism! and Anti-Semitism! on their brains…the first to attack anyone who goes beyond the ultra Pee Cee of the Left’s anti-Zionism.

    They march with the Coloreds of the World against Whites. Marx would be more than amused.

    Joe Webb

  57. joe webb says:
    @Ace

    You aced this one. Tyranny is the essence of the Coloreds, and Jews. None of them ever invented Free Speech or Elections. It is not in their genes. Ancient Greece and then the Germanic tribes, invented Free Speech and nobody else.

    O…the chinks…yeah, presidents for life again.

    Communism replaced Free Speech with mere Power…The Ruling Class, whether the rich or the proletariat, will rule on what is permitted. It is called Class Power. On the other hand there is an interesting part of Marx’s economism, wherein he remarks that the economic base determines the superstructure of Thought.

    Interesting idea of course. The old capitalism tended toward inequality in official thinking, but left it alone in the interests of making money from markets peopled by Whites. Just don’t mouthe it up too much.

    (Nowadays, the International Market requires an ideology of Equality…can’t sell to the racially inferior if you insult them…We Are All Equal!! and those pesky White Supremacists are interfering in our Selling to the natives. Go to jail you Racists! This is most evident with Facebook/Google…the arch-International Capitalist Pigs and their running dogs…the media)

    No Free Spcech for Racists these days…the Old Left…it was No Free Speech for Capitalist Roaders… is Talmudic and Religion in general…the Priests got the say so. The Authority of the Church, or the biggest thug. Post Modernism today: the Jewish Thuggery in the service of the Coloreds…Wretcheds of the Earth, Unite…kill Whitey.

    So far in modern times in the West, it has been the Vanguard Party of Communism, with Jews at the Top of course, who say what goes. Now Jews Rule the …Media…the New High Priests of Equality.

    If you want to get a sense of the Jewish secular Talmudism..read Shamir’s favorite book, Jack London’s The Iron Heel. In that book, which Shamir used to rave about, the Revolutionary Hero grinds anybody under the Heel of his boot, all for The Revolution.

    That is essentially the psyche of all the Semites. Arabs and Jews, united in blood and genes. The other Coloreds are merely despotic…as in Oriental Despotism, or just chaotic…Africans and other Third World dummies.

    Joe Webb

  58. RobinG says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Wow. OK, thanks, yes and no. For instance, Huma is associated with Muslim World League, not MB, but what kind of Muslim is she really… to marry that guy? Even though SA funded MB for a long time, not for the last couple decades. There’s been trouble in the past, and now MB is persona non grata in SA. SA and Gulfie money was going straight to Daesh.

    A-Q and Libyan jihadis were in Syria before the ‘uprising’ began, and it was CIA that started it, not MB. (Although the Syrian branch of MB is a distinctly bad lot.) This is a nice recollection of that time in Syria – https://ahtribune.com/world/north-africa-south-west-asia/syria-crisis/1135-day-before-deraa.html

    Do you think Sarsour is MB? IDK much about her.

    As for Tariq, I find him entirely too smarmy. But isn’t it curious how the rape allegations somewhat parallel those against Assange. While the charges against Julian were dropped (although may be renewed for politics), those against Tariq were brought by some rabid feminist (+ a second) who will probably press hard for ideological reasons. Without knowing anything about the case, I’ll wager it’s more about revenge than rape.

    For sure, our DEEP STATE will use MB to its advantage whenever possible, but didn’t their moment for popular acceptance pass after Morsi failed in Egypt? All this is just to say, it’s much more nuanced (or cluster-fucked) than USians even imagine. I’m just digging into it myself, in self defense. Too many dumb do-gooders shitting all over themselves, soiling everybody else in the process.

  59. RobinG says:
    @Hercule Poirot

    Thank you for naming the game, Chinese Whispers. Reminds me that not long ago I had a conversation with a Methodist minister. When I brought up how the New Testament was written many generations after the fact, she replied joyfully that “in those days” there was an oral tradition, so she was confident that those reciters were always accurate.

    I’m not a religious scholar, far from it, so we didn’t even touch upon the various organized revisions and ‘authentications’ down through the ages. Her determined certainty, her faith, confirmed my opinion that religious faith is not really in God or prophets. It’s faith in the long human chain that has passed on the texts and the stories. Not only faith that their memories never failed, but faith that none of them ever had any personal motivation to embellish, improve, or out and out change the record and meaning. On God, I’m ambivalent, but such faith in humans I do not have.

    • Replies: @Anon
  60. anon[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jean de Peyrelongue

    The zionists in their madness are going to trigger the “Jewish catastrophe”

    if it happens “again” will anyone care?

  61. Mickle says: • Website

    Yes
    How wonderful to see honest courageous journalism in amongst the dross.
    Don’t stop,please!

  62. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @RobinG

    Hi RobinG, it’s a shame that so many “ministers” today can be so woefully uninformed on early Church history, though to be fair I think Methodists are generally more concerned with present charism (I may be wrong on that, I don’t know much about them), so it probably shouldn’t be put down to any great fault on the part of this one.

    Christian scriptures were never preserved primarily by “oral tradition”, we’re not Muslims, though of course there was such a tradition of memorization, both on the texts actually read out in the churches and those from which lessons or doctrine was taught, since looking up quotations was incredibly difficult with ancient books (Christians were among the first to greatly prefer books with pages to scrolls, perhaps for this reason).

    Among ancient manuscript texts Christian writings are perhaps the best attested we have, and the closest to the source era. See Arnold Lunn The Third Day, for a good if very biased explanation of some of the popular misconceptions on the topic. Even scholars hostile to Christianity generally give a date in the first or early second centuries for most of the NT.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  63. RobinG says:
    @Anon

    Even scholars hostile to Christianity generally give a date in the first or early second centuries for most of the NT.

    You’re not totally contradicting your own assertions? The “woefully uninformed” seems unjustified.

    • Replies: @Anon
  64. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @RobinG

    No, I’m not contradicting anything.

    “Woefully uninformed” refers to the mythical oral tradition. Not that the oral tradition didn’t exist, but it was posterior rather than prior to the textual tradition. An epistle, for instance is textual by definition– it is a letter. There was, I suppose, an “oral tradition” of the Gospel events and those of Acts prior to their being written, but only in the sense that is true of all histories. Was that what you meant?

  65. @RobinG

    Good point, Robin. The war on Syria has been so divisive, because it made clear who would go half way to oppose Zionist imperialism, and who would be there for the full struggle. It seems odd that the majority of active pro-Palestinian figures were not willing to support Syria. This was left to the Syrian people themselves, a minority of Palestinians within Syria who have fought hard (Liwa al-Quds militia), and Hezbollah.

    Looking back, though, there was always something rotten and half-hearted about the Palestinian establishment. Hezbollah, poor, limited and with few resources, took on Israel in South Lebanon – they fought and they won. Meanwhile, the Palestinians negotiated the disastrous Oslo accords.

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