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The Jews can be a formidable enemy: devoid of scruples, they hunt in packs. Like aunts in P G Wodehouse’ fiction, they do not stoop to fair play: they go for the jugular. The hunt for disobedient leaders is their favourite national sport; and woe to a politician who crosses their path. They occupy commanding heights in the US media and finance and they can undermine politicians susceptible to pressure.

Luckily, they can be defeated. Powerful and cunning, Jews are not demonic and possess no magical superhuman powers. They are a force among many forces. Time and again they reached the pinnacle of power and were dislodged. This may happen to them in the US, as well.

It will not be the end of the world, nor the end of history, neither the end of the Jews. Only the Jewish dream to end history will end, at least for a while, while the world will go on. For their attitude is not all bad; they are needed; just their dominance became too total. For America and mankind to thrive, it must be rolled back, not eliminated.

The best politicians are those who succeed in repulsing a concerted Jewish action without giving an inch AND without antagonising the Jews too much. FDR and JFK, even Richard Nixon did it, so can Donald Trump.

The Donald succeeded in doing just that in the affair of the six-pointed star. He was attacked; ADL chief Jonathan Greenblatt urged Trump to apologize. “He should just admit the offense and apologize,” Greenblatt said in an interview on “CNN Tonight”. “I think this would satisfy all of the public – on the right and the left, Democrats and Republicans.”

Trump refused to apologise. He insisted that the star is just a star. He even took his staff to task for removing the offending image. He did not restore it, true, but he volubly scolded an easy-to-bend assistant. This ability to withstand pressure is the most encouraging feature of Mr Trump.

Just compare him with Jeremy Corbyn who took the bait and began to apologise, expel his supporters and demonstrate that he is unable to withstand Jewish pressure. It did not help him at all, the attacks on him grew exponentially.

Trump did not apologise, for it would never satisfy the Jewish appetite for apologies. They always fish for an apology, and an apology always makes them ask for more, and more. The ADL, the notorious organisation that spied on activists, ran its own spies and provocateurs, is the leading tool in this endless search for apology. Refuse apology, otherwise you invite more pressure for more apologies.

There is a long list of things Jews would like him to apologise for: (1) Trump tried to avoid denouncing David Duke for as long as he could; (2) he has said nothing about the racists and anti-Semites; (3) he refused to criticize the anti-Semitic trolls who hounded journalist Julia Ioffe after her magazine portrait that Trump’s wife Melania did not like and (4) he has said nothing about the vicious anti-Semitic social media bombardment of any Jewish journalist who happens to write a bad word about him; (5) he has refused to let go of the slogan “America First” even though he must surely realize by now that it carries a specific anti-Semitic historical connotation; (6) he repeatedly lauds tyrants and dictators that are problematic for Jews, including Benito Mussolini and Saddam Hussein; (7) and he himself has been known to release the occasional anti-Semitic remark, including his assertion to the Republican Jewish Coalition, that Jews won’t support him because they can’t control him because they can’t buy him with money.

This list of Trump’s failings with Jews (by an American Jew called Chemi Shalev) is intentionally humiliating in precluding any chance for rapprochement between the Jews and Trump.

Trump has no chance with Jews anyway, not for a lack of trying. Surely he is not an “antisemite” (a silly word of no meaning, just like “fascist”). Stephen Sniegoski convincingly proves that Trump is rather a philo- than anti-Semite. Trump’s kids married to Jews, his son-in-law is not only a rich Jew but (1) a son of a convicted Jewish swindler, (2) synagogue goer and (3) a newspaper owner, (4) publishing anti-Trump smear jobs, meaning he is a proper pukka Jew. Trump is as pro-Israel as they make them. Actually, my friends who are Jewish settlers in the occupied West Bank hope and pray for his victory. Sniegoski carefully debunks all other accusations against Trump as an enemy of Jews, and he does it compellingly.

Trump has no chance with the Jews, because he wants to change the order of things while the Jews are perfectly satisfied with the way things are. Perhaps you do not like that the US is flooded with immigrants, that so many Americans became poor, that students are indebted forever, that industries went abroad, that bankers are awash with money while the workers are impoverished. But for Jews, this is fine. This is exactly what they want, and this is what they have.

ORDER IT NOW

A prominent American Jew, Rabbi Eric H. Yoffie explained that much in an article in the Haaretz newspaper: Trump’s policies are beside the point. He would like to change things, he will fight the supremacy of the Supreme Court with its inbuilt Jewish majority, and Jews are for things being the way they are, perhaps even more so.

Indeed every possible step of President Trump will run into the Supreme Court. This is a body where an unelected (Clinton-appointed) Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg already declared she will fight him tooth and claw. That is the body that gave you gay marriages, unlimited immigration and other liberal joys. Sooner or later Trump will have to borrow a page from President Erdogan’s book and deal with them, if he is to achieve anything: unless, surely, they will refrain from action.

The Jews will give 90 per cent of their vote to Hillary Clinton, predicts Yoffie. This is to be expected: the brave Jewish anti-Zionist Jeff Blankfort wrote of the “actual owners of the Democratic Party, the American Jewish Establishment”. Yes, Jews vote for Democrats. They gave 80 per cent of their vote to Barack Obama. By comparison, the old masters of the US, WASPs, gave Obama just 34 per cent of their vote. If they were still at the helm, there would be no President Obama, no destruction of Syria and Libya, there would be fewer immigrants and the life of an average American would be better. Oh, perhaps there would not be an order allowing boys to pee in girls’ bathrooms if they feel girlish. Big loss.

The problem is that the Jews have much more than just their votes at their disposal. One of their mighty tools is the Google, their joint venture with the CIA. This works overtime and offers twenty million hits for “Trump Hitler”, seven times more than the Bing search engine. Google’s search function delivers results related to Donald Trump when users search for Adolf Hitler. The search “When was Hitler born?” generated not only the expected information on Hitler, but also a Donald Trump image and link. Jewish-owned media produces much anti-Trump trash.

But the people do not believe them anymore. Even such a pleasant guy as Bernie Sanders in the end gave up the fight and endorsed Crooked Hillary. Now people know the Jews are a force for status quo, and they want to change it.

For this purpose, a simple rhetorical device called Identity Politics should be dismantled. It is an enemy device made by a Gramsci blueprint in order to delegitimise the working class.

Identity politics is an extension of Jewish tactics, or perhaps Jewish tactics is a particularly loathsome form of Identity politics. A Jewish bankster defends himself by accusing his adversaries of antisemitism. This is so simple and useful, that many other groups copycatted the trick. The protected groups form a coalition under the Dem Party umbrella, while the Dem Party is doing the will of the Jewish establishment, as we noted above.

Identity politics have been enforced as the ultimate truth in the US. The protected groups are attacked for what they are, according to this concept, while unprotected suffer for what they do. This distinction is pure sophism: were the Japanese in Hiroshima incinerated for what they are (Japanese) or what they did (pretty much nothing)? If we disagree with Jewish politics, is that because of what they are or what they do?

Identity politics forbid us to generalise regarding the protected groups. You can’t say anything less than complimentary about Jews, for they are all so different. Well, 90% vote for the status quo is not a sign of variety. You can’t say anything at all about gender groups for they are what they are, like Lord Almighty. Indeed “white”, “male” and “Christian” are the only identities you may freely and gratuitously abuse in the US.

Consider the Catholic Church in the US. The Jews demanded an apology from the Church, and they got it. Afterwards, they continued their fight against the church unabated. In a recent attack on the VP candidate Mike Pence, the Jews made a lot of mileage from his attempt to allow Christians to refuse service to same-sex couples. They compared this attempt with Ku Klux Klan of old and with discrimination of Jim Crow days, when they had signs “Don’t let the sun go down on you here” and “Whites Only After Dark.” Everything goes to smear the church – and the PC rules do not defend it, like they do not defend the white workers of Detroit.

ORDER IT NOW

The Jews hate the church like the Turkish generals hate the mosque. For this reason they are so upset with Trump’s idea of limiting non-Christian immigration. It is not that they like Muslims: surely they do not, but they like to use Muslims to fight the Church.

Instead of saying “We Jews do not like to see Christian signs for Christmas” they prefer to say “Muslims do not like…” This is not even true: Muslims do celebrate Christmas, as anyone can witness in Bethlehem; but it sounds better.

Here is anecdotal evidence. I receive daily email with the Boston Globe headlines and suggested articles. Invariably their “Recommended for you” section begins with an anti-Church article published 14 (fourteen) years ago.

Recommended for you

JAN. 6, 2002 | PART 1 OF 2

Church allowed abuse by priest for years

I wonder why they think it is necessary for me to read an old antiquated anti-Christian abuse? Would they ever suggest I re-read a story of Bernie Madoff? Or a story of a Jewish terror attack on King David Hotel with its hundred victims? I do not think so.

It is not the first time ever that the Jews have acted in concert and against majority wishes. A great politician should know how to deal with them. Such a politician was Vladimir Lenin. In 1913, when his party struggled with the consolidated Jewish group called the Bund, he wrote “Dear comrades, if we shall keep mum today, tomorrow the Jewish Marxists will ride on our backs”. This advice is as relevant today as ever.

This article was first published in The Unz Review.

Israel Shamir can be reached at adam@israelshamir.net

 

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  1. Great, brave article.

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  2. Hes lying. Zionist illuminati Jews do worship the devil. They do receive spiritual powers from the devil. Wake the heck up.

    USAdevils (dot) com

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  3. The Jews are a force to be reckoned with wherever they are found. As a tribe they have an acquisitive genius, a lust for wealth, power and control, which places them in a position of ascendency in almost any mixed polity everywhere. It’s ironic that they manage to do this, all the while they complain that they have been unjustly persecuted, just for being Jews. No doubt, as a people, they deserve our admiration as much as our reservations for their boundless ambitions and successes. However, they have made many enemies through the pursuit of tribal excellence and I fear that in America there will be a fateful reckoning for American Jews for the great misfortune that is now stirring within the American Nation. This is the inevitable outcome which bestrides Jewish history from time in memorial.

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  4. Is Trump really what this author says he is? Pence is a Zionist. Mnucich is a banker from Goldman Sachs. Trump has been financed by Adelson. If Trump becomes president, he will continue the foreign policies of his predecessors, and will likely not carry out his domestic policies to the degree he’s saying. He smells like controlled opposition to me.

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  5. Priss Factor [AKA "Anonymny"]
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    “Refuse apology, otherwise you invite more pressure for more apologies.”

    Be a refusenik.

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    The Jews must be stopped. We cannot allow America to be thoroughly Judaized which would be the inevitable backwash of a Hillary victory.

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  7. Why take a chance? Vote Hillary.

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    JFK and his old man knew who these Zionist bastards were…..they got him first. Of course they will vote Clinton …. Read about Lew Wasserman, the Russian Jew who ran MCA in LA with Jules Stein…He was a democratic fund raiser with ties to Ronnie Reagan. Debbie Wasserman is a chip off the old block.

  9. Without Jews lots of problems in the US and EU at this time simply would not exist. They’ve fleeced us for trillions and trillions with more pain collectively than 10 Holocausts. Genocides, wars, depressions, famines the list goes on. They need a sea of diverse cultures to divide and conquer, hide in, and suck the cheap labor out of while charging premium prices for shabby goods and services and monetizing absolutely everything. They love their usury practices and a bit of money off of every transaction. They are the one group that never assimilates. They are power driven and often insane.

  10. The Jewish people have high function abilities in science, medicine, and many other fields because of their great intelligence. They also have greater abilities in manipulating, controlling, and using other people as objects because of their great intelligence.

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  11. The Judaization of America begins with the “Great Migration” of Puritans out of England in 1620 in a move compared from the start with the Exodus. Jewish themes abound in the outlook of the Puritans. From the start, they identified with the Israelites of the Bible. So, the first generations of settlers of the Massachusetts Bay Colony believed their own lives to be a literal reenactment of the biblical drama of the chosen people―they were the children of Israel and the ordinances of God’s Holy Covenant by which they lived were His divine law. Since they viewed themselves as the persecuted victims of the sinful Christian establishment of the Old World (England), the Puritans also had a natural sympathy for the Jews of their own time. The Protestant Puritan leader Cotton Mather repeatedly referred to the Jews in his prayer for their conversion as God’s “Beloved People.” The New Israel―The influence of the Hebrew Bible marks every step of the Puritan exodus to their Zion in the wilderness of the New World. The Jewish Bible formed their minds and dominated their characters; its conceptions were their conceptions.
    The Puritans fanatically believed that it was their special mission to establish in America a society precisely modeled on the precepts of Sacred Jewish Scriptures. The Massachusetts Bay Colony was a state inspired by and thoroughly devoted to the Jewish Bible. “If we keep this covenant,” Governor John Winthrop assured his people, “we shall find that the God of Israel is among us, but if we deal falsely with our God… we be consumed out of the good land whither we are going.” The Jewish covenant concept was thus the bedrock of all Puritan religious communities. Actually, the first settlers in New England called themselves “Christian Israel”
    and the Indians were the ancient Canaanites whom they had the divine obligation to exterminate. They were the new Israelites, entering into a new covenant with God in a new Promised Land, etc, etc.
    These are the roots of ‘Manifest Destiny’, of the ‘City on the Hill’, of the ‘indispensable nation’. Unfortunately, America IS already thoroughly Judaized.

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  12. A concise and coherent presentation of a societal situation too infrequently addressed. Along with Kevin MacDonald’s work, an eminently reasonable analysis. The late Douglas Reed’s work on the subject is also worth reading. Bravo, Mr. Shamir!

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    Powerful and cunning, Jews are not demonic and possess no magical superhuman powers.

    You consider their intelligence just “human”? That may be an understatement.

    Some of them – unfortunately the most visible, active, and powerful – are living advertisements of anti-Semitism.
    If you are not anti-Semitic, you become after reading them/seeing them in action.

    I challenge everybody to give a look at Chemi Shalev’s shouts and not turn anti-Semitic for at least ten minutes.

    Yesterday I read one who defined the “Holocaust” the “central crime of the 20th century.”

    Now… the Zionist and their pages say 6 million Jews were killed in Germany and by Germans.
    We all know the 20th century made more than 100 million victims, so…

    how to determine the centre? Not quantitatively.
    By the quality and worth of victims?
    Some are worth more than the others?

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  14. A most open article that only an ethnic Jew could write and risk being accused of only being a self-hating Jew, which is much lighter than an anti-semite. This article is chocka-block full of truths. However, I did find one relatively small issue with the generalisation of identity politics. I strongly believe that it is the self proclaimed Jewish elite (banksters, political hacks, media owners etc) which performs the Jewish terror and that the normal Jews are victims almost as much as everybody else. This explains well why Trump may be pro-Jewish but the Jews will vote against him because he may endanger the Jewish order of things in the Western societies. Therefore, the Jewish “elite” is politically dragging the poor Jewish schmucks to do what is not really in their interest – to protect the Jewish “elite” from a challenge to their terrible domination (almost nothing good comes out of the Jewish domination of the Western societies).

    I do always distinguish ordinary Jews from the bastards who are f’ing us all: they invented nuclear weapons and are (the Ziocons) now working on getting us to use them against each other.

    There is one absolutely brilliant observation in this article – on apologies for anti-semitism:

    Trump did not apologise, for it would never satisfy the Jewish appetite for apologies. They always fish for an apology, and an apology always makes them ask for more, and more.

    An apology for anti-semitism is a pure act of submission, after which the apologist becomes a punching bag and an example to other potential critics.

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  15. Israel Shamir, as an ex-Jew you are free to call your Tribe whatever you want. As Joan Rivers and Sarah Silverstein are on record saying that it’s not anti-Semitism if a Jew insults fellow Jews.

    However, FDR, JFK, and Richard Nixon wouldn’t have entered the White House had the Jewish Lobby perceived them a threat to the huge Jewish power or subservience to Israel.

    Benjamin H. Friedman (died 1984), a Jewish defector like you, had called FDR a JEWISH PAWN along with presidents Wilson, Truman, Eisenhower, JFK, Lyndon Johnson and Nixon.

    “President Franklin D. Roosevelt was a captive of the Talmudists from the time he went to Albany as governor of the state of New York. President Roosevelt was long beholden to the Talmudists,” wrote Friedman.

    https://rehmat1.com/2013/03/15/fdr-holocaust-and-more-jewish-whining/

  16. For the past few centuries Jews have wanted power more than anything else, but these things never last. Groups go through power hungry phases and then relax as the sacrifices for power begin to seem pointless and too great. So called Jewish tactics are the tactics any group or person that wants power has to use to get it.

    The British had a complete lack of scruples in India when they made their empire, and in fact the Brits had a reputation for being ‘perfidious’ all over Europe during their power hungry phase, just like the perfidious Jews do today.

    A group in its power hungry phase will always win over a group that balances other values with power, even if it’s less talented (and I consider Jews the less talented group because of sheer numbers, but the more power hungry).

    A handful of Brits lorded it over clever and far more numerous Chinese because the former were in their power hungry phase and the latter were not.

    So today with the Jews.

    The problem with power is that it doesn’t make you happy and demands the sacrifice of all other good things – you cannot enjoy a quietly poetic mood on a crisp Autumn day over a cup of coffee, nor a leisurely chat with old friends, nor contemplate the ends of life, nor savor the refinements of culture, if you are obsessed with power.

    After a while, the power hungry begin to perceive they are the victim of a jealous and destructive demon whose benefits are illusory.

    The history of nations is often the story of the unhappy and power obsessed taking it out on those who have more life affirming values.

    France conquered a dreamy and poetic Germany, and Germany conquered a France devoted to culture and refined living – notice the two countries only fought when one was power-hungry and the other given to humanistic values. This seems to be a historical pattern.

    The WASPS were turning into a refined aristocracy balancing power with humanistic values just as they were allowing large numbers of power hungry Jews come in.

    A humanistic elite might retain power if the system balances other values against power and success – but American capitalism, alas, is a system designed to elevate those least distracted by humanistic considerations.

    But have no fear, Jews will eventually mellow out just as everyone else has, according to Ron Unz, its already happening and apparently we’ll have to contend with power crazed Chinese. Yay, I guess.

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  17. “…Powerful and cunning, Jews are not demonic and possess no magical superhuman powers…”

    No the Jews are a tribe of psychopaths. Not all, maybe not even the majority, but a large number. All of the Jews ancient writings are nothing more than a manual for psychopaths to live by. The Talmud is nothing but one psychopathic thought after another. The Talmud “great enlightenment” basically says that everyone not Jewish is there to serve Jews. All their property is really the Jews. No one is really human unless they’re Jews and their lives don’t matter. A psychopathic religion for a psychopathic people.

    They’ve been thrown out of every single country that they’ve been to in any numbers. Psychopaths having no empathy themselves can only go by the feedback they get from the people they are exploiting. So they push and push to see what they can get away with. The normal people build up resentment towards them. Thinking “surely they will reform or repent” like a normal person who does wrong. Of course the Jews do not. They don’t have the mental process for reform. Then in a huge mass outpouring of hate for the Jews, fed up with the refusal to reform their behavior, they attack and/or deport them. In this stage of the cycle the Big/Rich Jews escape and the little Jews are attacked.

    Start over.

    Psychopaths believe they are so superior to everyone else that they can lie their way out of anything. It’s a big blind spot with them. It does work quit frequently so they think lying works in all cases. Because they don’t have the mental capacity to empathize with others they don’t understand when lying works and when it’s not likely to work.

    In order to predict Jews behavior read the great book on Psychopaths by Hervey Cleckley, “The Mask of Sanity”. Here’s a chapter all should read. It’s about Stanley. Who does all kinds of manic bullshit and spends all his time feeding people the most outrageous lies. Maybe it will remind you of a certain tribe. New meme. “They’re pulling a Stanley”. The whole book is on the web and worth reading.

    http://www.energyenhancement.org/Psychopath/psychopath-Hervey-Cleckley-the-mask-of-sanity-SECTION-TWO-THE-MATERIAL-Part-1-The-disorder-in-full-clinical-manifestations-19-Stanley.html

    Even if it’s wrong if you assume the Jews are a tribe of psychopaths you will never be surprised and Jew’s behavior will make sense.

  18. Just so: Hillary, with her (and Bill’s) penchant for getting side tracked; her sleazy history and preference for frivolity (think of that embarrassing ‘reset’ button) is a candidate made to be controlled. The same goes for Obama with his almost pathological inability to make decisions.

    In fact the same goes for all establishment candidates – they are hand-picked for controllability by Debbie Wasserman-Shultz’ kindred and then offered to the peeps for ‘democratic’ selection.

    Trump is not predictable – he promises to overturn the neocons’ nice orderly apple-cart with threats to curtail NATO, talk to Putin and let Assad stay in power – sacrilege! What he will put in its place may not be edifying but at least the stranglehold will have been broken.

  19. [the Zionist and their pages say 6 million Jews were killed in Germany and by Germans]

    But when it’s a Pole they want something from, they say Poles were as much or more to blame.
    When from a Frenchman, the French.
    When from an American, Americans, for supposedly not doing enough to stop it, and so on.
    All situational, all an act.
    They try to live the role like good method actors, but still it’s an act.

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    Two types of people will read this article & comment on it: Those like me who realise it is political satire and not to be regarded as being either truthful or serious and those who will believe every word of it & post an anti-Semitic rant and should they be so stupid as to give their real name and or email will find themselves under surveillance by the authorities especially the mental health authorities.

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  21. I am not an anti-Semite, I like Arabs.

    Most Jews are not Semites (people from the Middle East).

    The use of the term “anti-Semite” is a misdirection misuse of language. You may recall that misuse of language was one of George Orwell’s major complaints.

    The article by Israel Shamir is painful to read, but displays his courage.

    The Zionist Oligarchs are omnipotent; they control all. They are currently engaging in an orgy of Truck & tunnel bombing against civilians in Syria, as they intend to expand their settlements into that depopulated nation. ISIS is MOSSAD (with a little assist from the CIA). Most of Syria and Iraq’s cities are Rubble.

    Europe has become a dumping ground.

    Their control over America’s government, and its Military Establishment, is key to the Zionists’ genocidal efforts to depopulate the Middle East. [Americans lost their freedoms and sovereignty on November 22, 1963.] America destroys the Middle east for its Zionist masters.

    World control by any group is tyrannical and immoral.

    Respect All: Bow to None.

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  22. There are people that claim to be Jews that aren’t, just as there are people that claim to Conservative and aren’t. Christ said such “Jews” are of the synagogue of Satan.

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  23. I obtained this link from Prison Planet

    http://www.vice.com/read/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11

    Thought only Priests did this?!?! Oh! The Zionists own the media.

    Apparently, some Jewish religious leaders are pedifiles- they abuse little boys (children).

    World control by any group is tyrannical and immoral.

  24. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"]
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    About Congressman Joe Crowley’s speech at the Democratic Party Convention last night:

    If the 1965 Immigration Reform Act had not been passed….

    If a National Origins Immigration Policy had been passed that excluded all Hindu Legal Immigrants…

    Not a snowballs chance in Hell that Joe Crowley ever elected to the US Congress…

    In 2016….Native Born White Americans still a 90 percent racial majority in US….

  25. “Church allowed abuse by priest for years,” Boston Globe.

    Maybe, the writers at the newspaper never listen to UK’s chief rabbi Ephraim Mirvis.

    In November 2015, Mirvis in his address at a rabbinic conference in London condemned rabbis for misusing the Jewish Mesira by not reporting child sex abuse cases to local law enforcement authorities. The conference was attended by 120 rabbis from UK and Australia.

    The conference was result of a recent shocking report into child sex abuse. The study, released by the children’s commissioner, showed as many as 450,000 cases of abuse may have been carried out from April 2012 to March 2014 in Britain.

    Based on UK’s Jewish population of less than 350,000, sexual abuse of minors and spouses is more rampant within Jewish community as compared to Christian majority and other religious minorities, such as, Muslim, Hindus and Sikh….

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/11/25/uk-chief-rabbi-admits-epidemic-child-sexual-abuse/

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  26. Once again, another good one from Israel Shamir.

    (5) he has refused to let go of the slogan “America First” even though he must surely realize by now that it carries a specific anti-Semitic historical connotation;

    Another lie spread by the Jews! The America First Committees included people of many different political persuasions and backgrounds (Jewish included) who were solely dedicated to keeping America out of another war.

    It is not that they like Muslims: surely they do not, but they like to use Muslims to fight the Church.

    Among other things, Moslems are useful for Mossad-directed false-flags. See: 9/11.

  27. Therefore, the Jewish “elite” is politically dragging the poor Jewish schmucks to do what is not really in their interest – to protect the Jewish “elite” from a challenge to their terrible domination (almost nothing good comes out of the Jewish domination of the Western societies).

    There’s a lot of truth to that. Unfortunately, however, a duped enemy is usually just as dangerous and ‘knowing’ enemy.

  28. Why do you think the British ruling class got along so well with the Jewish ruling class? Over the centuries, their sub-cultures have fused almost seemlessly: Anglo-Zionism.

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  29. Myth.
    Israel’s IQ is not world leading.
    The game is rigged such that they anoint themselves and then promote being anointed.
    Case in point:
    Einstein was a plagiarist fraud, mediocre physicist, but carries the contrived branding of ‘Jewish genius’.
    Of course, all Jewish communities are ‘vibrant’. LOL.

    Just a coincidence:
    Who demands mass immigration into white gentile countries, but stops non-Jew immigration into “that shitty little country”?
    Who runs the Federal Reserve?
    Who runs Wall Street?
    Who owns the US Congress?
    Who owns the White House?
    Who forces acceptance of the fictitious & impossible ’6M & gas chambers’?
    Who runs the media / entertainment?
    Who runs the music business?
    Who dominates ‘academia’?
    Why is AIPAC the most powerful, dominant lobby, which regularly writes the text of Congressional bills and resolutions?
    Who is it that wants to censor free speech via the “hate speech” canard?
    Who is it that demands we shed the blood of US troops for their interests?
    Who are the real & biggest racists on the planet?

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  30. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"]
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    Congressman Joe Crowley….head of the India Caucus in the “US” Congress….

    The “US” Congress…annexed by India….

  31. My compliments for advancing such a cynical view of the writer and his commentators. I beg to differ Shamir’s opinion piece is likely not a frivolous satire but his long time avocation in denouncing the “Masters of Discourse”-his epithet.
    It is shameful and a tribute to the power of Jewry in our society that expressing his opinion should be considered an act of courage yet many anonymous commentators find the need to affirm the TRUTH embodied in opinion piece.
    It’s a sad day when we chose to fear the “Zionist Thought Police” because that’s just what they most desire. My compliments to ALL of our Commentators!

  32. Their intelligence is often over-rated, however. It’s not as high above the American mean as all that, and plenty of other subgroups in America match it.

    It’s their tribalism and often their deceit that makes them successful in an otherwise high trust, individualistic society. Just look at how thoroughly they’ve influenced the “conservative” movement with guys like Bill Kristol, Ben Shapiro, Jonah Goldberg, etc. into being the patsy’s for an Israel First foreign policy that conserves literally nothing about America, and how much they’ve managed to convince conservative Americans that that’s what conservative means.

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  33. Hey Kiza,

    the normal Jews are victims almost as much as everybody else

    I agree with this. Sure there are some benefits that roll down to the Jewish masses but the working-class Jews also get laid off or lose their purchasing power or lose their house. I live near a Jewish area of Chicago-land, most live in modest homes, etc. I think they also disproportionately suffer (as opposed to the benefits) from the backlash that is unleashed by their elites.

    Peace.

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  34. We must abolish Jewishness, Jew supremacy and Jew privilege. The world will not know peace before this.

  35. So how intelligent are white conservatives if they so thoroughly fall under jew hypnosis?

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  36. Uhmmmm, Jeeeewws?

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    THANK YOU!!!!!!

    Great article. Amazing, considering how influential Jews are, they always escape public scrutiny. You can read criticisms about anyone and anything, except Jews. Yet when you look at the names of those who are either pulling the strings, pushing, writing or voting legislation, Jewish fingers are always part of the mix. I suppose the euphemism for Jews is now “neoconservative or neo liberal”, I guess “neo” means Jew, but at least the dots are being connected even if the name is a little misleading.

    I don’t know if I agree with every word written above, but I for dam shore am happy to see someone actually calling a spade a spade, while we still can.

    They run the media and as such have historically controlled the message, with the internet that is changing fast. Which begs the question, if the internet is challenging Zionist Jew power, how long will they let us have it?

    Thanks for the article, warms my heart, and gives me faith in the future. It is my opinion that Zionism is the greatest force for evil on the planet, destroying it, will save billions of lives and maybe the planet itself.

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    Myth [that Jews have great intelligence].
    Israel’s IQ is not world leading.
    The game is rigged such that they anoint themselves and then promote being anointed.

    and/or:

    all the dumb Jews got killed off in the sacred holocaust (here bend a knee).

    German Jews were the smartest Jews in the world, less because they were Jews, more because they (a) had married Italian women http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2013/10/did-modern-jews-originate-italy
    and (b) they took advantage of German institutions. The biggest squeal German Jews had against the Third Reich was that Germans limited Jewish access to German universities to a proportionate number, in order to give a chance to German young people whose parents were paying for the institutions.

    Very few German Jews died in the sacred holocaust.

    The Jews wh0 produced and directed WWII, the Prequel, the Slaughter (Action scenes), the Sequels, arranged for the dumb Jews — Polish, Russian & Hunkie Jews — to be offed because they were polluting the Jewish gene pool. It’s not a new concept; culling the herd is enshrined in the sacred texts of the Chosen people, first wrt livestock, then perfected and applied to persons — check out Exodus 32, 25 – https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2032

    Jews don’t do their own dirty work, they get someone else to do their killing for them. Jewish puppet masters pulled the strings of Hitler and Stalin — and Eichman just as surely as they had FDR and Churchill on the Jewish payroll.

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  39. Great article Israel Shamir! Through this anti-human weapon of words we have lost sovereignty of our country and have come to beLIEve a pack of lies that are too many to fit in this box. Those mind-controlled by the incessant bombardment have deep cognitive dissonance. Trump was absolutely right in posting that star with those words and the only mistake was deleting the star. It’s the symbol of an apartheid, genocidal mafia that is not only stealing Palestine but ours. Next, they’ll be changing the name of our country to west israel (lower case intended). We are all Palestinians.

    End the ridiculous billions in “aid”, take back “our” media that they control, take back Hollywood that they control, throw out the politicians that are working for them (traitors), prohibit dual-citizens in office that work for them (traitors), start printing our own money, stop invading, occupying, and destroying countries around the world for them. Recognize Palestine! Go Jill!

  40. The use of “Semite” to identify Jews dates to Germany during the 1860s. At that time Christianity was consider a Jewish sect so “Jew” would be generic to both groups. However, Jews were viewed as being of Noah’s son Sem (spelling varies) who was said to father the Middle Eastern types. Of course Arabs are also Semitic –more so that European Jews- but the term worked in Germany to distinguish Christians from Jews.

    How it spread to broad use and to exclude Arabs is another story.

  41. ADL chief Jonathan Greenblatt urged Trump to apologize. “He should just admit the offense and apologize,” Greenblatt said in an interview on “CNN Tonight”. “I think this would satisfy all of the public – on the right and the left, Democrats and Republicans.”

    It always starts this way. It starts with some seemingly innocuous claims or del=mands or requests . Very soon a sidekick of Greenblatt will start saying :’ what else Trump is hiding from us”
    or :” What kind of president we are going to have? who wants an apologizing president , who wants a damaged good”? Some one will ask:” he should apologize to illegal immigrants. to Israel.” once he apologized, he would be asked to send money and arms and more money to Israel.

    I think it was Liberman or Solarz who wanted to push and then succeed in passing a nonbinding resolution against Saddam in 1991 .The resolution was about threat a of military action against Iraq. They argued that the threat of force was just to frighten Saddam and not an endorsement for military action.

    Once it was passed , the same vermins started demnading what good it was if America did not follow up with the threat

  42. The Jews are working themselves into a position of world derision. There is going to be a stain and a stench around the Jews. Of course it is Palestine. The stain and stench is how they unjustly stole the land of a defenseless people and coerced the world in the process.

    Because of their coercive unjust actions – every day more and more people are anti-Israel anti-Jew.

    The Stain of Palestine will not be ignored. Its blood will dwarf the death of Jews in WWII.

  43. The very first thing to do, is to help all the brainwashed evangelicals who think and believe that Israel and Jewry are the people of the bible. Nothing can be further from the truth! And some how evangelicals refuse to see the truth, even when you present it in their face. When evangelicals awake, then we will be able to change this nation, and apply what Mr. Trump has, “America First’ Philosophy. A large segment of america thinks that the Jews are the old Israelites; they are not, since most Jews I do know, are atheists, and or Talmudists. So Talmudism has nothing to do with Christianity and or with those people who still believe in the Torah. Once all realize that, then, and only then we can start a new page in the USA

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  44. We might need another General Titus!

  45. Anti-Logos.

    An unabated hatred for Christ.

    But that time will pass and the tribe will embrace the Logos.

    On that day their existential pain ends and they realize their particular gifts serve a divine and wonderful purpose.

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  46. The enemies of the Jews are the Caucasians since they are in historical perspective, fellow pilgrims throughout history. For others, makes no difference who runs the USA, since most minorities just go on with their daily lives ignorant of the forces that shape their living and lives. I am descendant of Sephardics who fled Spain, and yet do not consider my self different than any other person. As a matter of fact, I found out about it just recently, and grew up as catholic and later as New Testament Christian. So, now I realize that Ashkenazim are middle ages’ converts to Talmudism and Kabalism. So now they call themselves “Jews who are not Jews but do lie”. After reading “Isabel of Spain’ I realized that in the middle ages, Talmudists forced their servants to mutilate their private parts, and become ‘Jews’ i.e. Talmudists. So now we do have myriads of them all over the place, believing that they are better than the same people who they themselves came from before conversion. So my fellow human beings, ‘let not a man deceive you..”.

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    the Potato chip people — don’t know when to stop.

    the goldfish people — eat until they explode.

  48. The Jews are masters at emotional unthinking brainstem politics. They push people into low level non-intellectual instinctive political positions. Black, white, brown, yellow, men, women, old, young, tribe, religion – all become emotional fodder for Jew manipulation. The appeal is always to guttural identity. The appeal is always to group victimhood.

    By virtue of their existence and size, these divided base guttural groups have political power. Clearly if you can divide and conquer enough groups you can control a nation. Clearly that is what the 2016 election is all about.

    There is only one way out of this coercive situation – that is for people to see themselves as local cooperative functional groups – not as divided national groups. People must identify with each other as local neighbors, not as national biological group victims. Local is far more rational then national.

    It is clear that the nation state is corruptible – the Jews are doing it.

    We must direct our political actions to returning government to local control – period.

  49. Do your own research, AndrewR. It’s not hard to get all kinds of mean IQ data for all kinds of population groups.

  50. like Bill Kristol, Ben Shapiro, Jonah Goldberg, etc.

    Actually, most neocons are dumb as stumps. Apart from lacking any serious skills, they fail time after time to anticipate the outcome. Hence the popular BS of “controlled chaos” theory which is being perpetuated by many, including those who could hardly be called neocons. Sure, the chaos is so “controlled” that when one looks at what the supposed originator of this theory, USA, turned into, one has to start asking serious questions about mental abilities of those who love to spread this pseudo-academic BS of “controlled chaos”. Of course, on purely semantic merit this whole “Controlled Chaos” implies a great deal of mental and other abilities of someone who supposedly “controls” this chaos. But as overwhelming empirical evidence shows–there is only chaos and no control whatsoever. This, plus application of many lessons of Israel’s military history (however deserved it is for Israel) to a much larger in scale big powers stand off is not only ridiculous but, actually, quite dangerous, but that is precisely what is being done on the American military and policy end. And here is where “egos larger than cathedrals”(c) begin to shine. The results be damned.

  51. It was a rhetorical question, genius.

  52. It is difficult to awaken Evangelic. It has assumed the position of the State Religion, Religion of the Empire
    All religion have that capacity . Buddhism has , Hinduism has Islam has so has Catholicism and all at one or another point have served the interest of the Empire .
    Only the death of the empire or the death of the mind set that under-girds the empire will bring the best out of the Evangelicals

  53. As harsh as life was in hunter-gatherer tribes lower status members suffered the most with less access to resources and greater risk of death.

    In the modern era: Same as it ever was.

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  54. Indeed, and God is tracking it all – it will be one very long, hot Day…

    May God grant you shade on it.

    Appreciate many of your comments. Peace.

  55. Why do you think the British ruling class got along so well with the Jewish ruling class?

    It was superficial – the two ‘classes’ despised each other but they socialized to a limited degree because the Jews lent money and could place a bribe or forgive a loan if it bought them enhanced social standing, admission to Court and even titles. Take Sir Isaac Lyon Goldsmid (of the banking dynasty) for example.

  56. Which begs the question, if the internet is challenging Zionist Jew power, how long will they let us have it?

    The EU is already talking about forcing people to log onto the internet with their govt. IDs. That’ll hit America eventually.

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    A Judaizing religion leads directly to a philo-Semitic culture. The great irony then is that the WASP conservatives demand more of, demand a return to, that which produces this very philo-Semitic culture they see rightly as a suicide pact.

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  58. Few people can
    grasp the concept that government agencies are started for the sole
    purpose of being the ‘police force’ of large, corrupt corporations.
    Buying the souls of politicians is as easy as giving candy to a baby

  59. Of course they are Jews! ‘Jew”= A believer in Talmudism, and or made Jew by his rabbi! Rabbis have the power to make any one a Jew, regardless of race, or creed. Also a Jew can be an atheist, believing that ‘god’ gave them the land of Canaan! That is some how contradictory, but oh well, what is not in the present world system?

  60. It would be a brave article if Shamir were not Jewish himself. His membership in the tribe confers immunity from retribution although not from criticism by other members of the tribe.

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  61. It would be a brave article if Shamir were not Jewish himself. His membership in the tribe confers immunity from retribution although not from criticism by other members of the tribe.

    In certain way it requires even greater courage because it can involve loss of family and unimaginable torment from well-placed and well compensated professional tormentors – few indeed can withstand it. Consider Justice Richard Goldstone who bravely stated that Israel’s invasion of Gaza involved war-crimes in his UN report – only to retract under pressure and thereby sink into oblivion – along with his report. Ask Dr. Norman Finkelstein if it has been easy for him – who is now virtually unemployable for speaking out on the Nazi holocaust and Israeli atrocities.

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  62. No, no, it is not any irony. I should’ve mentioned that the WASP mentality is an effluent of the Judeo-Puritan sewer on which ‘America’ was built in the first place. All the inane discussions about the superiority of ‘Whites’ IQ’s in comparison to ‘Colored’s’ ones stem from the same Judaistic mentality.

  63. . . . which hints at the tragedy at the core of Jill Stein’s candidacy.

  64. His bumper sticker was ripped off my car during the convention……by me.

  65. “the first settlers in New England called themselves “Christian Israel”
    and the Indians were the ancient Canaanites whom they had the divine obligation to exterminate. They were the new Israelites, entering into a new covenant with God in a new Promised Land, etc, etc.”

    Incredible to me….. I have believed for a long time that America was a new promised land, the Atlantic ocean a great filter that only the most believing would dare cross in those boats of the day. Then enter the negroe.

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  66. “It is not the first time ever that the Jews have acted in concert and against majority wishes. A great politician should know how to deal with them. Such a politician was Vladimir Lenin. ” I do not know history of communism in Russia that well but I think this sentence is some kind of disinformation. With or w/o Bund there were plenty of Jews among Bolsheviks. They had disproportionate power in the Party. For example they instigated and carried out a mass murder of the whole caste of Russian priests. Their animus do it was not coming from them being communist but from them being Jewish.

    Mr. Shamir give us a better example of somebody who stood up to Jews. Lenin won’t do. Stalin neither. I would not bring up Hitler either. Who?

  67. Mel Brooks dropping and breaking 5 of the 15 commandments on his way down from Mount Sinai. Now that’s satire.

  68. This guy’s a little off his rocker. Three of eight SC justices are a majority now? Websites feeding you anti-Christian stories is part of the conspiracy? Take your meds.

  69. I can’t tell if this is a joke article or not.

    Either way, if Jews have been kicked out of every country they’ve come across, how come they haven’t been kicked out of the west?

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  70. Then enter dragged in with chains, lying on their own filth and vomit, the negroe.

    You may not like them in the US – that’s fine – but as Malcolm said, “We didn’t land on Plymouth Rock, the rock was landed on us…”

    They didn’t just knock and walk in through a door exactly…

    Peace.

  71. Hey JL,

    I think it’s meant to be a bit hyperbolic but I think he is talking about pre-modern times. But they were kicked out from quite a few places in Europe during the medieval times. I can think of a couple of ancient places that Jews have resided in and still do and have not been kicked out; Morocco immediately comes to mind. Morocco absorbed many Jews after the Alhambra Decree and many have resided there for centuries. The relationship has been generally good, but pogroms did happen historically. Most of them left to Israel though.

    http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/327772/honoring-the-moroccan-king-who-saved-the-jews/

    It seems to work fine in a monarchy that represents the dominant population and the Jewish citizens acknowledge their loyalty to the sovereign. There does not seem to be either; 1) a ploy by ‘the Jews to take over’, nor 2) a fear from the monarchy that it is politically threatened by them.

    “Amar [head representative of Moroccan Jews] considers the Jews of Morocco to be ‘Moroccans, first and foremost. He feels that ‘the response of Jewry on March 3rd was to confirm our allegiance to our King.’”

    http://www.jta.org/1984/05/10/archive/behind-the-head-lines-the-jews-of-morocco

    It seems monarchies can more readily handle multi-confessional communities in some ways since they are set up to assure the majority their political ascendancy.

    Peace.

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    Trump campaign is essentially White Lives Matter.

    That is white middle class, white working class, white underclass.

    There was a time when white people felt a connection with white elites. This was true of both Democratic Party(in age of Labor) and Republican Party(in the Cold War).

    But Democratic Party ditched white working class. Despite all the signaling and symbolism, Dem elites also ditched blacks in favor of homos, gentrification, incarceration, and mass immigration to displace blacks with ‘diversity’ or people of color.

    Republican Party, as it became neocon party, ditched white masses in favor of Wall Street, Zionist supremacism, wars for Israel, and ‘free trade’.

    So, over time, white people realized that matter less and less and have no leadership whatsoever.
    Their lives are not protected, their rights are not defended, their lives are not valued.

    So, they see Trump campaign as White Lives Matter.

    As for BLM, it is angry with the wrong thing. White cops are the least of black worries. Blacks are really being eclipsed by homos, immigration, and gentrification. Handful of Negroes die at the hands of police every year. But blacks as a population have been sent to back of bus by flaming homos(favored by Jews and Wall Street), come under massive competition from unceasing immigration, and pushed to peripheral areas by Jewish-white-homo gentrifiers who are taking back cities for themselves. And if policing got more aggressive, it is because Liberal Elite Gentifiers want blacks to be controlled or sent to prison. They fear black crime more than anything since blacks are more muscular and more aggressive and lacking in self-reflection. Namely, blacks are acting like savages and louts all across America. Liberal elites prize blacks for symbolism — slavery and civil rights — and entertainment(Jews rake in lots of money off black singers and athletes), but they don’t want to live with blacks or send their kids to schools where black thugs beat them up.

  73. Exodus 32 is quite an amazing passage in the old testament. Reading it, it appears that the Lord almighty was Moses’s tool and not the other way around. God wanted to wipe out the sinners who he just saved. Moses talked him out of it. Moses goes down from the mountain, gets angry when he sees them dancing and worshipping the golden calf, carelessly drops and breaks the tablets containing God’s law, and then commands those loyal to him to kill the rest in God’s name. Then when they are done, tells them don’t worry, I will make good with God your sinful behavior of worshipping the golden calf. No mention of the murder of 3,000 people that Moses commanded. Moses sounds like the ultimate psychopath, doing whatever he wants, manipulating and using both God and the people to do his bidding. Reading the comments on this article, many have a big problem with this kind of behavior, and that is definitely a good thing.

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  74. This is so over the top that I wonder if it is a false flag operation and that there is no real Israel Shamir. Or just self-hate taken to a Bobby Fischer level.

  75. I think it’s meant to be a bit hyperbolic but I think he is talking about pre-modern times.

    He left out the fact that they kill and eat Christian babies and drink their blood.

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  76. Interesting analysis. Another shiv in the side of democracy.

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  77. Israel, your Jew bashing attempt to ingratiate yourself with the goyim won’t work. You’re still a Jew. Maybe you should be nominated for this year’s Otto Weininger award for the Western World’s top Jewish Jew basher. It would be neat to not have to alternate between Noam Chomsky and Eric Margolis year after year.

  78. I fear you may be right that America will eventually turn on the Jews in the Jews’ historic role as scapegoats. There’s a shop in town whose owners are Jewish. Without fanfare, they do a lot for the community. They’re decent people. They work hard. They live modestly. They’re well-liked. Their grandchildren are “half Jewish” and attend a Unitarian meeting. When I walk past their shop, I think “Kristallnacht.” It’s my paranoia.

  79. Hey JL,

    This is a very interesting read from a Libertarian perspective:

    https://www.amazon.com/Democracy-God-That-Failed-Perspectives/dp/0765808684

    This is another good one, but from a solid military historian:

    https://www.amazon.com/Rise-Decline-State-Martin-Creveld/dp/052165629X/

    It could be argued that unrestrained democracy is quite scary – what happened in Rwanda was quite democratic; if the 95% want to eat the 5%, nothing can hold them back, constitutions can be amended by such super majorities.

    Do I know the perfect solution? No, but I am a fan of constitutional monarchies when done right.

    Peace.

  80. It seems monarchies can more readily handle multi-confessional communities in some ways since they are set up to assure the majority their political ascendancy.

    I think this is a really important insight. Places where the majority retain a vise-like grip on power are less egalitarian, but often more stable (even for minorities) in the long-term.

    It seems that Jews suffered less ethnic cleansing/mass murder in the Muslim world as compared to the West because Muslims had higher baseline levels of anti-Semitism. This increased asabiyya precluded Jews from reaching the heights of power in Muslims lands, but also protected them from being viewed as an existential political and economic threat.

    This issue has a lot of relevance in present-day America. The generally low levels of asabiyya among White Protestants has allowed many different communities to assert themselves politically (Jews in particular, but also many others, such as Hispanics and Blacks, even Catholics over the last century), but the downside is that process is leading to Balkanization and skyrocketing tensions among the lower classes of the dominant group. And what good is having elite political opinion on your side if the masses hate your guts? Eventually things will get violent.

    It is for this reason that I believe minorities who seek refuge in the Democratic party’s increased inclusiveness are making a major long-term strategic blunder. The whole situation is like one of those Chinese finger-traps, the harder you try to extricate yourself from the situation, the worse your problems become.

    It is for this reason that I hope Trump wins the election and upholds his promises about immigration. If white-nationalism lite isn’t allowed to assert itself and we have 4-8 more years of the status quo, white nationalism 2.0 is going to be exponentially worse.

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  81. Hmmm…and don’t they, rather than discarding, use the empty skins to sew the pouches in which they carry around their hoards of coins?

    No doubt they have political influence far disproportionate than their numbers in a democracy, but reality is rarely ever starkly black and white rather than nuanced shades…

    Peace.

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    Sadly, I’m one of the shmucks dragged along.

  83. No doubt they have political influence far disproportionate than their numbers

    In my mind there is little doubt that this is true, even to the extent that I look askance at those who argue otherwise and try to surmise their motives. That said, I believe it to be a legitimate question up for debate. My little verse that I keep repeating in my feeble comments is that serious discussion of the Jewish/Israeli lobby/Lobby and American Jewish financial and media influence is completely undermined and sidetracked by the 88s. My second verse is that such hijacking is so effective at blocking a legitimate discussion of the disproportionate influence in a broader audience that posers could well be responsible for the dissemination of a lot of the ridiculous propaganda.

    I have been reading a little history and it seems to me that if we were so inclined we could blame the rise of the Muslim Empire for the prominence of the Jews. The phenomenal urbanization and rise in commerce within a unified Muslim Empire allowed the Jews to prosper like no other minority group. :)

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  84. Google is indeed evil and a big part of the “pack”. They seem to have the power to decide who is going to be selected. The results this morning of a search of Jill Stein is #1 a propagandist “article” smearing Jill. The #1 article for the genocidal maniac killbilly is another propagandist “article” praising her. Fascist rags. Google needs to be shut down. They’re traitors, anti-american and sells outs for the not-so-might-dollar. We need an independent non-profit entity in charge of search results.

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  85. Usually an apology is a civilized reaction to making an error,but with the Zionists,as the Duke said,it’s a sign of weakness.
    If Americans can’t see the hand of Zion up the HBs back,manipulating the news daily,they are the dumbest people who have ever existed.
    I don’t think we are.

  86. [You have been repeatedly warned to clean up your spacing, punctuation, and grammar. If you can't be bothered to start doing that, don't expect your comments to be published.]

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  87. Hey iffen,

    …we could blame the rise of the Muslim Empire for the prominence of the Jews.The phenomenal urbanization and rise in commerce within a unified Muslim Empire allowed the Jews to prosper like no other minority group.

    This could certainly be argued – occasional pogroms aside – in the Muslim lands Jews were at par with Christians on the legal level – as covenanted citizens (dhimmis) – in the same lands that Christians had once ruled. That obviously opened up certain previously unknown opportunities.
    “Omar permitted the Jews to reestablish their presence in Jerusalem–after a lapse of 500 years…Jewish tradition regards Omar as a benevolent ruler…”

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0015_0_15096.html

    I could hardly see a Maimonides ever come out of a medieval Christian land. And traditionally, the Muslim lands were the place where Jews fled to when things got too hot in Europe. Israel is a very recent case in point – though this migration was not like the previous ones; in this one, they came with demands for land and sovereignty – herein lies the seeds for the current clash.

    Peace.

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  88. Can’t undo the Jew or block the black.

  89. After reading your comment , I said the following little prayer (just in case the magic still works.)

    “Lord, please send the USA a man like Moses.”

  90. Whines about fascists, then unironically demands Google be shut down. So stupid.

  91. [You have been repeatedly warned to clean up your spacing, punctuation, and grammar. If you can't be bothered to start doing that, don't expect your comments to be published.]

    Here at Unz Review, they only publish well-formatted diatribes against Jews, blacks and homosexuals. You can hate, but you gotta punctuate.

  92. Shamir basically lays out the case that Jews consider themselves the eternal enemies of Whites, Christians and Europeans, and then claims that Jewish power should only be rolled back. You don’t just roll back an enemy that hates you, impoverishes you and does all it can to destroy and enslave you. That really would be stupid. Common sense says that you destroy the enemy that wishes to destroy you. Rolling back Jewish power would only leave everything in place for the same thing to happen later, which is why we are where we are now. Some groups just don’t belong together. You can’t really look at White America and say that we were the aggressors against Jews.

    What now? White America has a fight with a supposed ally group that it never wanted or asked for. If Shamir is accurate in his assessment of Jews, they have gone too far to go back. Who would trust them now? As Whites have learned the hard way with blacks, some wounds just can’t heal or be bought off. Is it every group for itself now? That’s what many Jews seem to want.

  93. “So how intelligent are white conservatives if they so thoroughly fall under jew hypnosis?”

    It’s pretty much White conservatives who oppose all forms of Jewish power, which is why they are incessantly attacked by neocons and groups like the SPLC. The White Leftists who protest against Israel are tolerated, because they care more for Palestinians than they do for their fellow Americans who are being strangled by Jewish interests in America. The Jews who oppose Israel are mostly acting, just as they are acting when they play rainbow warriors outside of Israel by marching with Muslims, Blacks and others against their hosts.

    I wouldn’t even consider conservative Christians to be fooled by Jews, as much as they are fooling themselves. They expect Jews to convert or pay the price in the end.

  94. Hey Qasim,

    Would agree on the point about historic high levels of asabiyya in the Muslims world, not so much about the higher baseline anti-Semitism (anti-Jewish). Case in point, Jews were not distinguished, in any legal sense, differently than Christians who also had a ceiling restricting the level of power they could attain. Also, many times, the Muslims kept them protected from Christians. It is funny, but in Robert Hoyland’s excellent work (https://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Islam-Others-Saw-Zoroastrian/dp/0878501258), he quotes a Christian monk, John bar Penkaye (of Feneq), that the Muslims don’t really bother the Christians as long as they pay taxes, but mentions a criticism that they don’t persecute Jews enough for his taste.

    But to your larger point about majority/minority group dynamics, the Hapsburgs were able to get Bosniak Muslims to even fight loyally and valiantly in their multi-thnic/religious empire:

    “Feared by their enemies, respected by their comrades for their fighting spirit, the Bosnian-Herzegovinian troops were a reliable component of the Austro-Hungarian Army until the end of the First World War.”

    http://www.naval-military-press.com/emperor-s-bosniaks-the-bosnian-herzegovinian-troops-in-the-k.-u.-k.-army.html

    Peace.

  95. And I do agree – 100% – “serious discussion of the Jewish/Israeli lobby/Lobby and American Jewish financial and media influence is completely undermined and sidetracked” by nonsense vitriol filled rants which accomplish nothing but play out as some form of catharsis for some folks, but totally repulse many other people from being willing to engage in a constructive discussion.

    I think this is kind of what Mr. Reed was hinting at in his article about White Nationalism and trying to pin it down as something with substantive definitions and goals rather than internet rage.

    Peace.

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  96. Jewish domination ?

    Its nothing but a Jewish rubber stamp.

    I recently saw “While We’re Young”, which seems to be to be a very female oriented version of European domination and very familiar in real life . Jewish men with blond gentiles. See Ivanka trump in real life. Gwyneth Paltrow is the result.

    Jews are not particularly Semitic as the generation go by. It also seems to me that Plato and Aristotle have culturally consumed Judaism as of the last century. Its alive and well and probably surviive for much long than the myths of the Levant. The Talmud seems to be taking a beating lately with Jewish secularism. Jews were in the past quite sterile artistically and scientifically. It was from the European that they are what they are today. So while they have put the stamp on it, its hardly the end of “white nationalism”.

    They are all but consumed.

  97. what Mr. Reed was hinting at

    I will defer to you as you seem to have more insight into Reed’s writing than I. All I got out of it was his usual attempt to carve out Mestizos as exceptions to the rules.

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  98. I guess we all have our categories of ‘chosen people’…

    Peace.

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    The Jews can be a formidable enemy: devoid of scruples,

    You are a Jew and this describes you perfectly Mr. Shamir !!!!!!!

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    Hey Shamir , you mentioned the word {{{ JEW }}} 43 times in the article . Obsessed much ??? Thats gotta be a record even here at the {{{ UNZ }} Review !!!!!!!

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    http://blogs.tribune.com.pk/story/29547/the-filthy-culture-of-bacha-bazi-in-afghanistan/

    Bacha Bazi is translated a boy play. It is rampant in Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan. It is so engrained in the local islamic culture that when a boy escapes from his adult male sodomizer and makes it to the police station , the boy is often returned to his rapist .

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    Funny they should be so stupid but yet able to control the whole world !!!!!!!!!!

  103. I thought we were clamping down on bad spacing, punctuation and grammar.

  104. Who is it that wants to censor free speech via the “hate speech” canard?

    The new Home Secretary of the UK has just released a “Hate Crime Action Plan” which has the J stamp all over it.

    About two thirds of it is explicitly aimed at tackling “antisemitism”. In one section, the Jewish protection racket, the CST, gives an example list of antisemitic incidents last year. In every single one the perpetrators are white, despite the fact the vast majority of such incidents are carried out by Muslims. As well as the millions the CST with its wealthy, ethnocentric Jewish donors spends on Jewish security each year, the government is now going to spend an extra £14 million a year on “protecting Jewish communities”.

    There will be no such protection of course for the working class white communities from which thousands of white children every year are forced into sex slavery, threatened and tortured, targeted for their race.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_sex_gang

    The report repeatedly states that government will be working with “victim groups”, meaning white people have no voice and are not legitimate hate crime victims.

    DCLG will work with partners to produce and distribute an updated version of the Police Officer’s Guide to the Holocaust to be extended for all criminal justice professionals.

    To help the police and others better tackle antisemitic and other forms of hate crime, we will work with the police to create a database of symbols, slogans and flags that may be illegal because the organisations that use them are proscribed or incite hatred. DCLG will lead on the creation of this database, and it will be shared with partners though the NPCC. This is one of the recommendations made by the All-Party Parliamentary Group against Antisemitism following its inquiry (February 2015) into the impact of the Gaza conflict on UK Jewish communities.

    The National Holocaust Centre and Museum and the Anne Frank Trust will be going into schools

    taking the poignant messages of Anne’s life and diary to help students understand the damage caused by prejudice and hatred

    With regards to Muslims, the body the government is working with is Tell MAMA. In 2013 “Ministers end[ed] funding for body that claimed ‘wave of attacks’ against Islam.” It was criticised for talking about “a cycle of violence against Muslims” when in fact it was talking about internet comments.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/andrew-gilligan/10108098/Muslim-hate-monitor-to-lose-backing.html

    That’s all in the past. The new Hate Crime Action Plan says that hate crime on the internet is just as valid/bad as actual attacks on the street. Basically, the government is launching an unprecedented assault on white people objecting to being demographically bombarded with hostile aliens.

    Another interesting fact – after Tell MAMA was defunded by the government, wealthy Jews stepped in to fill the gap. A third of its board members are now highly ethnocentric Jews.

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/06/the-jewish-hidden-hand-behind-muslim-ethnic-antagonism-in-the-uk/

    Here is the report:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/540700/Action_Against_Hate_-_UK_Government_s_Plan_to_Tackle_Hate_Crime_2016.pdf

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  105. [Police Officer’s Guide to the Holocaust]

    What about the Meter Maid’s Primer On The Persecution Of The Albigensians?

  106. First – your source, ‘The Express Tribune’ is Zionist anti-Muslim propaganda filth.

    Second – Bacha Bazi is a slang term created by the Zionist bastards to demonize Afghan Muslims who hates the US, Israel and the western powers for destroying their country.

    Third – Afghans are over 26 million around the world as compared to 12.7 million world Jewry. No use your computer to find out if a Jew like Lord Janner had raped several dozen kids in a Jewish orphanage – how big paedophile culture your Tribe has?

    https://rehmat1.com/2014/07/15/british-paedophile-holocaust-hoaxer/

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  107. If you consider that Germany shared the leading edge of our Western civilisation and yet succumbed to the Nazis’ mad wickedness is it not easy to see the near destruction of European Jewry as the great crime of more than just the 20th century?

    If someone quibbled with “what about the gypsies” I would answer first that the numbers were much less. Second that they were not, like the Jews, the creators of much of the best of German culture and the bearers of it throughout Eastern Europe. I would emphasise that Hitler was putting pure racism ahead of German nationalism. The Holocaust was not only a grotesque reversion to the ways of primitive humanity but a ghastly offence against German culture.

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    First – your source, ‘The Express Tribune’ is Zionist anti-Muslim propaganda filth.

    If you do not like my source because you think it is Zionist , here are several Islamic sources on the subject of Bacha Bazi .

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/02/afghanistan-pity-children-160210082008267.html

    An excerpt : Abducted children are used in forced labour or domestic servitude, either inside the country or in neighbouring Iran and Pakistan. Some are recruited in terrorist organisations and others are sold for commercial sexual use. The practice of “bacha bazi” (boy play) has expanded exponentially with the rise of the new affluent elite.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/05/201151113246797936.html
    An excerpt : bacha bazi – the practise highlighted in Khaled Hosseini’s controversial novel The Kite Runner – using pre-pubescent boys to “entertain” local elders through dance, and at times, sexual acts.

    http://gulfnews.com/news/asia/afghanistan/bacha-bazi-afghan-subculture-of-child-sex-slaves-1.1847175
    An excerpt : The Taliban are accused of using child sex slaves to attack police in southern Afghanistan, exploiting the cultural practice of “bacha bazi” — paedophilic boy play — for military gain.

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    Second – Bacha Bazi is a slang term created by the Zionist bastards to demonize Afghan Muslims who hates the US, Israel and the western powers for destroying their country.

    According to Wikipedia , Bacha Bazi is a Persian , not Zionist term : Bacha bāzī (Persian: بچه بازی‎‎, literally “boy play”; from بچه bacha, “child”, and بازی bāzī, “game”) is a slang term in Afghanistan for a wide variety of activities that involve child sexual abuse and pederasty. The perpetrator is commonly called bacha Baz (meaning “pedophile” in Persian).

    From the BBC http://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-11217772
    An excerpt : spent months trying to find a bacha who was willing to talk about his experience.
    Omid (not his real name) is 15 years old. His father died in the fields, when he stepped on a landmine. As the eldest son, it’s his job to look after his mother – who begs on the streets – and two younger brothers.I ask him what happens when people take him to hotels. He bows his head and pauses for a long time before answering.
    Omid says he is paid about $2 for the night. Sometimes he is gang raped.
    I ask him why he doesn’t go to the police for help.
    “They are powerful and rich men. The police can’t do anything against them.”

    Not to be out done , Islamists in Turkey have their own version of Bacha Bazi and also enjoy the pleasures of bre pubescent boys , in the best Islamic tradition. It is called köçek and it is a Turkish boy dressed in feminine clothes entertaining and performing dances during the Ottoman Empire.

    To wit :
    Köçek is defined as professional male dancers in women costumes, men dancing with a set of instruments in the earlier periods, young men dancing in feminine clothes or male dancers resembling çengis, and some sources include an additional explanation that they are non-Moslem or recruited young males. Moreover, the words köçek and çengi are used in the same meaning in some records; Çengi also refers to professional male dancers in women costumes, men dancing with a set of instruments in the earlier periods, young men dancing in feminine clothes or male dancers resembling çengi-s. It is predicted that köçek-s were formed in time for men’s assemblies. According to the relevant records, they were generally selected among the minority groups or non- Moslems during the Ottomans’ period that Köçeks enjoyed their brightest time. They were chosen among handsome, presentable male children, aged 7 – 8, (a Greek from Chios, Gypsy, Greek, Arab, Armenian, and Turkish) and taken to private rehearsal rooms (meşkhane). (see link, p. 6)

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    Third – Afghans are over 26 million around the world as compared to 12.7 million world Jewry. No use your computer to find out if a Jew like Lord Janner had raped several dozen kids in a Jewish orphanage – how big paedophile culture your Tribe has?

    Hey Ramhat , I used my computer and look what I found !!!!!!!!
    Why do Pakistanis , Afghanis and Iranian Muslims , your co-religionists and co-nationalists in the case of Pakistan , so love those small boys ??
    Maybe a quote from the Qoran will suffice :
    Koran 52:24 – Youths as fair as hidden pearls will be set apart to wait upon them; they will be running to and fro to serve them.

    Koran 76:19 – There boys of everlasting youth shall go about attending them: when you see them, you would think that they are scattered pearls.

    Enjoy the videos Ramhat !!!!!

  111. @as covenanted citizens

    This is a tricky word. The Dhimmis were subjects. Their ‘special’ status was not the result of a ‘covenant’ but of a unilateral grant, always revocable. It was certainly not a proof of intrinsic ‘tolerance’, but of political expediency. The pressure to convert was always there and humiliating them was a ‘desirable’ condition attached to dhimma.

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  112. Hey Seraphim,

    Indeed, very difficult to precisely pin down to any modern analogy.

    Their ‘special’ status was not the result of a ‘covenant’

    It actually was in the case where transfer of sovereignty was negotiated – it was definitely a two-way settlement and different communities were able to negotiate different terms based on quite a large number of factors including things such as which school of jurisprudence was in operation in the area (or of the authorities) and how difficult it would have been to militarily defeat the opponent’s army (i.e. tougher people were often able to negotiate more favorable terms).

    a unilateral grant

    Correct, in the case that they fought and were defeated – then if they were granted dhimmi status was often in the hands of the mood of the authorities as – because they had fought – the defeated men could be; 1) granted the covenant anyway, 2) separated from their families and executed or 3) enslaved and their families enslaved as well.
    “When Muslim armies encountered non-Muslims outside the lands already under the rule of Islam, they were supposed to offer them the choice of conversion to Islam; payment of jizya and
    acceptance of dhimmi status; or trying the fortunes of war. If the adversaries chose the last of these three and then lost, they faced expropriation, slavery, or even death.”

    http://press.princeton.edu/titles/8280.html

    This is harsh to hear for modern ears, but reflects the universal nature of conflict of pre-modern times – and often the Muslims were far more lenient to a conquered people than others. Sometimes, they were cruel and could be cruel to even fellow conquered Muslims (see Tamerlane).

    always revocable

    There is no doubt that certain authorities historically oppressed dhimmis and even pogroms occurred – this is a blight on Muslim history. However, I have never read (not even in the books of the Shafi’i school – which is the most strict when it comes to dhimmis) that the authorities – according to Shariah principles – can willy-nilly decide to revoke the dhimmi contract even on loyal tax-paying non-Muslims. If you have an authoritative source from one of the Sunni Orthodox schools that says otherwise (not a minority opinion from within the school – those are not what the fatwa is given on), I’d love to see it. Historical instances of the authorities not abiding by the rules are well known; Almohads when they first conquered Spain, for example.

    It was certainly not a proof of intrinsic ‘tolerance’, but of political expediency.

    That is your opinion – I would posit that both factors came into play.
    “the central Islamic lands on the whole practiced convivencia much more often than not. Though far from perfect, a practical system of tolerance prevailed in the central lands of Islam, right down until the modern era.”
    Same source as above.

    Certainly, certain Christian sects that were forced out of Byzantium due to pressure actually saw them as more tolerant:
    “…offering them freedom of action in return for loyalty and taxes. This was accepted with some relief by many groups formerly under the rule of Byzantine emperors, who had generally pursued a less liberal policy than their Sasanian counterparts with regad to religious difference.”
    https://www.amazon.com/Seeing-Islam-Others-Saw-Zoroastrian/dp/0878501258 (This is one of the best sources on the subject because it deals with direct translations of contemporary non-Muslim texts describing how they felt about Muslim conquests in their own words – some are very negative, some are positive – usual depends on where their political allegiance lay.)

    Any definitely more tolerant toward Jews (for whom the Muslim lands stood as a kind of escape route if things became difficult in certain Christian lands):
    “Omar permitted the Jews to reestablish their presence in Jerusalem–after a lapse of 500 years…Jewish tradition regards Omar as a benevolent ruler…”

    https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/judaica/ejud_0002_0015_0_15096.html

    The pressure to convert was always there

    I would say more, the “incentives to convert were always there”, but depends on perspective. Others also describe it as I have:
    “The peasants worked the land and thus generated income for the spahis, though in the first centuries of Ottoman rule taxation and other levies were usually lighter and more regular than they had been under Christian rule. The Ottoman authorities seldom exerted pressure on Christians to convert to Islam, though there were fiscal and legal benefits in doing so.”

    https://www.britannica.com/place/Balkans#ref476044

    humiliating them was a ‘desirable’ condition

    Certainly according to certain scholars of the Shafi’i school who indeed interpreted the verse on jizya to mean humiliation (this is explicit in their books). Such that scenes like this occurred:
    “A tax collector had to ritually slap the kalontar – a Jewish community leader – after collecting dues and an extra “life sparing” tax. Jews were prohibited from wearing silk and riding horses and were permitted to live only in three specific neighbourhoods.”

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/04/uzbekistan-long-persecuted-bukhara-jews-150428083657675.html

    However, they didn’t hold sway over too many lands and historically the Muslim leadership was in the hands of rulers that implemented Maliki (Ummayad) and Hanafi (Abassid, Ottoman, Mughal) law. Which is why this was explicitly repudiated by Imam Abu Yusuf (ra), who was the chief justice of the Abassids and co-founder of the Hanafi school who stated that jizya is to be collected as one would collect a debt. Imam Nawawi (ra), a giant of the Shafi’i school himself stated that:
    “As for this aforementioned practice, I know of no sound support for it in this respect, and it is only mentioned by the scholars of Khurasan [Note that the region of Khorasan included the area of Bukhara that I cited in the above article]. The majority (jumhur) of scholars say that the Jizyah is to be taken with gentleness, as one would receive a debt (dayn). The reliably correct opinion is that this practice is invalid and those who devised it should be refuted. It is not related that the Prophet or any of the rightly-guided caliphs did any such thing when collecting the Jizyah.”

    http://rissc.jo/books/War-Peace-Islam.pdf

    But yes, Muslim hegemony was supposed to be made clear as one can see in the optional clauses to the dhimmi contract that they shouldn’t build anything taller than Muslim structures, wear distinct clothes (which by the way was not an unknown pre-modern norm – see below), etc.

    “…according to a statute of the general Council, Jews of each sex in all Christian provinces, and all the time, should be distinguished from other people by some clothing.”

    http://www.ccjr.us/dialogika-resources/primary-texts-from-the-history-of-the-relationship/268-aquinas

    Peace.

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  113. A liberal American Jew in Israel calls to total war against Trump http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.733925

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    A liberal American Jew in Israel calls to total war against Trump

    Thank you for a link of a man talking . Here is a link of people taking action . Hundreds of Muslims burn down and plunder buddhist temples because a buddhist person requested that they turn down the volume on the speaker at the mosque .
    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2016/07/30/vihara-pagodas-burned-down-plundered-in-n-sumatra.html

    An excerpt : Hundreds of people plundered and burned down several Buddhist temples or vihara in Tanjung Balai, North Sumatra, on Friday evening. No fatalities or injuries occurred in the anarchic acts, which took place until early Saturday.

    It is estimated that the attacks have caused billions of rupiah in losses.

    North Sumatra Police spokesperson Sr. Comr. Rina Sari Ginting said the riots began when a 41-year-old of Chinese descent, only identified as Meliana, reprimanded an administrator of the Al Maksum Mosque to lower its microphone volume.

    Mr. Shamir , how can we blame Jews for this latest Islamic violence in Sumatra directed against Buddhists ??

  115. The Holocaust was not only a grotesque reversion to the ways of primitive humanity but a ghastly offence against German culture.

    By driving out scientific talents like Leo Szilard, Albert Einstein, John von Neumann and Edward Teller, the Nazis sealed the fate of their short-lived empire. If they hadn’t been overrun before the atomic bombs were ready, German cities would bear the infamy of being the first cities graced with 60,000 feet-high mushroom clouds.

    Traditional empire-builders sought to gain population and embrace new subjects via armed conquest. Hitler is unique in not only trying to kill hundreds of millions of new subjects, but to slaughter a good chunk of the most talented of his existing ones. He managed to conquer a good chunk of Europe thanks to Germany’s industrial might, which establishment pre-dated his ascension to power by decades. The problem (for his outsized geostrategic goals) was that his strategic thought was on the level of a child knocking over sand castles.

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  116. @It actually was in the case where transfer of sovereignty was negotiated

    ‘Transfer of sovereignty’ means conquest. What you call ‘negotiation’ was nothing else than the ‘generous’ offer to choose between conversion, paying jizya, or part with their heads.
    “Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” Koran 9:29.

    @ certain Christian sects that were forced out of Byzantium due to pressure actually saw them as more tolerant

    The sects you refer to (the heretical Monophysites, Nestorians in overt schism from the ‘Chalcedonian’ Church) were not ‘forced out of Byzance’. They were IN Byzance, in the parts overwhelmed by the Jihad. They actually have been lured to defect with promises of easier conditions, which did not last very long. And the Christians in Jerusalem were certainly not a ‘sect’ pressured out of Byzance!

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  117. his strategic thought was on the level of a child knocking over sand castles.

    Wasn’t he ahead of his time in thinking that most colonies and dependencies are more trouble than they are worth? He was not the first or last to think in terms of population replacement.

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  118. Hey Seraphim,

    I’ve interacted with you before and have come to the following conclusions; 1) you don’t much like Islam (no problem here – I actually like Christians – they’re kind of like an older heretical brother ;) – we fight, but hey – it’s family), 2) you know quite a bit about Christian Orthodox churches and its belief and practices vis-a-vis other branches (this is commendable) and 3) you really haven’t studied into military history of late antiquity and the medieval period (this can be remedied).

    Of course it was a conquest. At that time, conquest ‘was the thing’; Byzantium did it, Persia did it, Rome did it, it was the normative form of group (especially kingdoms or empires) relations. I suggest you read this work by Prof. David Nicolle (one of the foremost expert on military history of that era), ‘The Armies of Muslim Conquest‘ – it is a short but wonderful read. If you want Muslims to feel bad for military smashing and dismantling the Byzantine Empire, Sassanid Empire, Roman Empire in North Africa, Visigoth Kingdoms (hell, even Byzantium fought wars against Ostrogoths [Arians]), etc. – don’t hold your breath.

    the ‘generous’ offer to choose between conversion, paying jizya, or part with their heads

    That’s what I basically quoted from Mr. Bonner’s excellent book – but you forgot the enslavement possibility. Look, I’ve asked others, but have not received a legitimate response; can you name one – just one – pre-modern conquering army that DID NOT state the following to a population they came across:
    “Pay us taxes and submit politically [which is jizya in a nutshell] or fight – death or enslavement being the consequences.”

    The Muslims were the only ones (I can think of) that were supposed to offer a completely non-materialistic option as the first one – basically “become our brothers in faith and your wealth is prohibited to us”.

    They were IN Byzance

    Some of them certainly were and chafing under the pressure. A good number of them were clearly not:
    “When supporters of Nestorius gathered at the theological school of Edessa, it was closed by imperial order in 489, and a vigorous Nestorian remnant migrated to Persia…By the end of the 5th century there were seven metropolitan provinces in Persia and several bishoprics in Arabia and India….After the Arab conquest of Persia (637), the Caliphate recognized the Church of the East as a millet, or separate religious community, and granted it legal protection. Nestorian scholars played a prominent role in the formation of Arab culture, and patriarchs occasionally gained influence with rulers.”

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Nestorians

    Basically, under the Muslims all the various branches/schisms were immediately at par with others (which, heretofore, had an army behind them in the fight over theological issues). And that’s not even taking into account the fluidity of the borders between Byzantium and Persia which were at constant war. Muslims have at times been the arbiters between various branches of Christianity:
    “Every morning, a monk must come to the door which is unlocked by a Muslim man who holds the keys to the church [of the Holy Sepulchre]. Muslims have been entrusted with the keys since 1187, primarily because the various Christian factions which reside in the church cannot agree to nearly anything, and therefore to keep the church and its shrine open, the keys are entrusted to a Muslim family.”

    http://www.catholic.org/news/international/middle_east/story.php?id=47107

    “To this day, coexistence among the several Christian churches sharing the Holy Sepulchre is a delicate one. Catholic, Greek, Armenian, Coptic, Syriac, and Ethiopian Orthodox monks have resorted to fists more than once to defend their respective denomination’s rights and privileges in the church, as defined in an decree by the Ottoman Empire, known as the Status Quo of 1853.”

    http://www.ibtimes.com/who-guards-most-sacred-site-christendom-two-muslims-1161517

    Another suggested author on military history is Martin Van Creveld.

    Peace.

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  119. My thanks to both of you. I really benefit from and enjoy the exchanges between erudite commenters.

    Talha,

    Somewhat OT, but not far, I have been reading about the Jewish Diaspora. The author covers the Jewish presence in North Africa, but doesn’t say anything about West Africa. Given that the Jews were free to move about without restriction within the Muslim Empire, do you know if any made it down to West Africa?

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  120. Hitler had some shaky grasp of aspects of the past but little knowledge or education pertinent to the future in an already modernising age. So Lebensraum must have seemed necessary to him as leader of a country which still had a premodern fertility rate in 1913 when 2 million Germans were born. As 5 million Russians were also born that year and Eastern European Jews continued to have large families it is not too hard to understand why Hitler was an exterminationist.

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  121. Hey iffen,

    They sure did, though I am ignorant of the details. I do know they were involved with the gold, salt, slave trade out of Timbuktu so they were definitely there. Whether they settled and remained Jews or became Muslim, etc. I’m not sure.

    Peace.

  122. The secret of identity politics is that it is politically profitable wherever it’s practiced, as the stereotypes of collective class and racial acting collectively under PC banners of collective identities, completely obscure the reality of individual existence, individual identities and individual interactions. The result is a simpleminded populist conclusion that any threats of political supremacy can be prohibited by collective favoritism/discrimination. That, in turn, creates real injustice with an always politically profitable enrichment of a powerful elite few with the exploitation of the rest. Just the way political slime in every country prefer.

    Btw there were no Jews in Mao’s Red China, nor were any involved in the tribal wars and genocides of Africa, and the hate fueled destruction never noticed their absence. And simply because a majority of Jews are just as quick to obscure the reality conforming perspective of individual existence and identity with the stereotypes of race and class does not make them any more contemptible than the majority of non-Jews, who do the same.

    The problem is not the difference between Jews and the rest, but difference between political systems. Capitalist taxation on a 100% working population is used to build the roads, parks and schools that enrich the entire population. Communist profit redistribution from productive people to unproductive people, on the other hand, requires the polarized animosity of a majority of morons seeking political redress for the non-existent class and racial stereotypes of “oppressors perpetually victimizing the oppressed,” which never fails to send most of the population’s money and all of their power into the pockets of political exploiters as “remedy.” And there are likely _more_ non-Jews supporting destructive, communist, stereotype-driven profit redistribution from the working population to the unproductive and their millionaire political enablers, than there are Jews in America.

  123. I tend to think that he was a political leader in total control of one of the most advanced European countries who squandered it all by executing foreign policy like it was the 1830′s instead of the 1930′s.

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  124. @you don’t much like Islam

    My friend,

    Whataboutist and ad hominem arguments won’t win the argument. You suggest that this is the real cause of my supposed ignorance of ‘military history of late antiquity and the medieval period’ and suggest ‘guilt by association’ with ‘Islamophobia’.

    Now, to make things clear: Orthodox Christians have not many reasons to like Islam (not ‘much’, but at all). They are not ‘kind of like an older heretical brother’. Islam is ‘kind of younger heretical brother’ who wanted to snatch the inheritance of the older with fallacious arguments and by force. They did that concluding an alliance with the Jews under the pretension that they were both descendants of Abraham and pretending that they had the same beliefs as the heretical sects descended from the Judeo-Christian sect of the Ebionites (deemed ‘the true Christians’ in Islamic parlance).

    The writings of Armenian chroniclers contemporary with the events are relevant.
    So, the History of Heraclius by the Armenian Bishop Sebeos tells us: “and Heraclius ordered that they (Jews from Edessa) should go and stay in their own place. So they departed, taking the road through the desert to Tachkastan Arabia to the sons of Ishmael. The Jews called the Arabs to their aid and familiarized them with the relationship they had through the books of the Old Testament…[Mahmet said]“God promised that country [Palestine] to Abraham and to his son after him, for eternity. And what had been promised was fulfilled during that time when God loved Israel. Now, however, you are the sons of Abraham, and God shall fulfill the promise made to Abraham and his son on you. Only love the God of Abraham, and go and take the country which God gave to your father Abraham. No one can successfully resist you in war, since God is with you.”
    The Chronicle of Ghewond is even clearer:
    Once Heraclius’ son [Constantine III, 613-641] had come to rule in his father’s stead, the Lord awakened the spirits of malevolent men so that through them the blood of Christians would be shed in vengeance, because we had sinned before the Lord God. [The Arabs] began to form brigades and mass troops against Constantine’s realm, against Judaea and Asorestan, having for support the command of their law-giver, that sower of darnel, to “Go against the countries and put them under your rule, for the plenty of the world has been given to us for our enjoyment. Eat the meat of the select ones of the countries, and drink the blood of the mighty.” The Jews were their supporters and leaders, having gone to the camp at Madiam and told them: “God promised Abraham that He would deliver up the inhabitants of the world in service [to him]; and we are his heirs and sons of the patriarch. Because of our wickedness, God became disgusted with us and lifted the scepter of kingship from us, subjecting us to the servitude of slavery. But you, too, are children of Abraham and sons of the patriarch. Arise with us and save us from service to the emperor of the Byzantines, and together we shall hold our realm.” [The Arabs] were encouraged further hearing this, and went against Judaea. ”
    That is the reason why Jews had always a preferential treatment in Islam in comparison to the Christians. Besides, Jews have been the providers of eunuchs, female slaves (blondes were much appreciated), boys (bacha bazi) and other luxuries to the Muslim masters, apart from using their financial clout to buy the benevolence of the Muslim).

    It should be noticed that the wars of the Roman Empire were wars between states conducted under the ‘jus gentium’ and the treaties concluded were ‘foedera’, by which states and kings concluded friendships (amicitiae) on equal terms. The barbarians who overwhelmed the Late Roman Empire were all ‘foederati’ of the Empire. Notice also that they were already Christianised at the time of their settlement in the Empire.
    Islam’s wars were ideological wars (Dar al-Islam against Dar al-Kufr) and the so-called ‘covenants’ with the ‘infidels’ were not ever on equal terms.

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  125. Hey Seraphim,

    Never called you an Islamophobe (whatever that means); people that don’t like Islam, do so because they know what it truly says and don’t like it (this I can respect) while some have conjured up a straw-man Islam that is a cartoon caricature and hat it for that (this is juvenile). You decide which camp you fall into.

    Now you are getting into theological arguments; which, as I said before, I’m not going to participate it – this is not the forum for it. We say it was divinely revealed, you say Jews gave us the religion – there is no room for negotiation. Incidentally, I had a talk with an Orthodox Rabbi at LAX (nice guy) who said the same thing – I had to suppress my inner desire to guffaw.

    That is the reason why Jews had always a preferential treatment in Islam in comparison to the Christians.

    Have any proof to back this up other than opinion? It is well known and recognized by both Christian and Muslim sources that the early Muslims (being simple desert dwellers that they were) had no idea how to run the massive political enterprise that they had inherited (and often settled in newly erected garrison towns like Fustat [Cairo] and Kufa). Christian bureaucrats and scholars were essential to the administration of the empire:
    “Byzantine polemicists saw Islam as a ‘Satanic plot’ to destroy Christian faith (Gaudeul, vol. 1, p. 65), and non-Chalcedonian Christians often saw Islam as ‘the rod of God’s anger’ intended ‘to deliver us from the Byzantines’ (Sahas, p. 23).
    The early development of dhimmī status gave non-Muslims, including Christians, some legal rights as subjects of Islamic government. Relations between Christians and Muslims (especially the Muslim authorities) were generally very good during this period. The Muslim empire originally used the existing bureaucracy to administer the empire, and this included Christians, especially in Egypt and Syria, and even included the use of Greek, rather than Arabic, as the first language of Muslim administration at Damascus.”

    http://bridgingcultures.neh.gov/muslimjourneys/items/show/198

    Besides, Jews have been the providers of eunuchs, female slaves (blondes were much appreciated), boys (bacha bazi) and other luxuries to the Muslim masters, apart from using their financial clout to buy the benevolence of the Muslim).

    More stuff without citation – nice! Enuchs were provided from generally two different sources; Africa (Africans and Arabs did this, though Jews do show up a little later managing the trade to the Western side like Morocco) and European eunuchs which were sometimes monks that were gelded for the purpose of serving the church, but plucked up by either Muslims or Varangian slavers:
    “Scholars are just starting to acknowledge the large-scale influence of this long-distance slave trade on the start of the Viking Age in northwestern Europe, the same eighth through eleventh centuries. Indeed, some still deny the importance of the economics of the slave trade when it comes to Viking raiding activities. But women were often targeted during Viking raids, as potential mothers and wives in Iceland and Scandinavia, or as high-value trade objects to be exchanged as far away as Byzantium and the Abbasid Empire.”

    http://universitypublishingonline.org/boydell/chapter.jsf?bid=CBO9781782041108&cid=CBO9781782041108A017

    Ditto with the blonde women, Varangians supplied a good number of them (unless you think the Vikings were a Jewish enterprise):
    “The Vikings brought much sought after furs, amber, and slaves to the Byzantines and thus the Arab market.”

    http://digitalcommons.apus.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1150&context=saberandscroll

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/12/151228-vikings-slaves-thralls-norse-scandinavia-archaeology/

    “boys (bacha bazi)” – LOL! So a bizarre practice in certain regions of Afghanistan was monopolized by enterprising Jewish suppliers? Since the Taliban were defeated, it has made a comeback – are Jews running the show now too?

    On your other notes; if you are seriously trying to convince educated people that the Holy Roman Empire and Byzantium were not expansionist powers (within their own framework as they defined and justified them) – good luck!

    Islam’s wars were ideological wars (Dar al-Islam against Dar al-Kufr)

    Dar al-Harb actually. And that collapsed fairly quickly – after the first generation, the Muslim leaders were often as worldly as any other empires and their motivations to expand are obvious to anyone – of course they would rally Muslims with a certain narrative to make sure they had religious cover. The result on the ground though was the same, Muslim armies smashed the various empires of the time.

    so-called ‘covenants’ with the ‘infidels’ were not ever on equal terms.

    You keep saying a bunch of stuff with zero citations. Now if you meant the dhimmis, then of course not – they were a conquered people, those cannot possibly be on equal terms with the conquerors. If you meant treaties or pacts from one empire or kingdom to another (which was non-Muslim), then of course they were concluded on equal terms. And some times certain Muslim kingdoms would even ally with Christian sovereigns to fight against rival Muslims for territory; this occurred most in Spain and during the Crusades. And vice versa…

    Peace.

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  126. You seem to have a strange idea of the 1830s.

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  127. The Vikings were muscling in on the northern slave trade, which they found controlled by the Jews from the southern end. (I forget the Arabic sources for this, but will be able to dig them up soon if there is any interest) .Liutprand of Cremona mentions this.

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  128. 1830 1850 Port Phillip District Wars British Empire Australian Aborigines
    1831 1831 Dutch expedition on the west coast of Sumatra Dutch Empire Sumatran Rebels
    1831 1834 Siamese–Vietnamese War (1831–34) Viet Nam

    [MORE]

    1831 1832 Naning War East India Company Malay
    1831 1833 Egyptian–Ottoman War (1831–33) Egypt Ottoman Empire Russian Empire (from 1833)
    1831 1833 Yagan Resistance British Empire Yagan
    1832 1832 Black Hawk War United States
    1832 1832 June Rebellion France July Monarchy Red flag.svg French Republicans
    1833 1834 Desert Campaign (1833–34) Argentina Mapuche rebels
    1833 1835 Lê Văn Khôi revolt Nguyễn Dynasty Lê Văn Khôi rebels
    1833 1839 Albanian Revolts of 1833–39 Ottoman Empire Albanian rebels
    1833 1840 First Carlist War Liberals and Allies:
    Spain Forces of Queen Isabella II of Spain
    British Empire
    France Kingdom of the French
    Portugal Forces of Queen Mary II of Portugal
    Carlists: Forces of Infante Carlos of Spain
    Portugal Forces of King Miguel of Portugal
    1834 1834 Peasants’ Revolt of 1834 (Palestine) Egypt Eyalet Palestinian Peasants
    1834 1834 Battle of Pinjarra British Empire Pinjarup
    1834 1836 Sixth Xhosa War British Empire
    United Kingdom Free Khoikhoi
    Xhosa Tribes
    1835 1835 Malê Revolt Empire of Brazil Rebel slaves
    1835 1836 Texas Revolution Republic of Texas Mexico
    1835 1842 Second Seminole War
    Part of the Seminole Wars United States Seminole Tribes
    1835 1845 Ragamuffin War Empire of Brazil Riograndense Republic

    Juliana Republic

    1835 1840 Cabanagem Empire of Brazil Indians
    Cabanos
    1836 1839 War of the Confederation Chile
    Peru North Peru
    Argentina
    Peru-Bolivian Confederation
    1837 1838 Sabinada Empire of Brazil Flag of Sabinada.svg Bahia Republic
    1837 1838 Lower Canada Rebellion
    1837 1838 Upper Canada Rebellion
    Part of the Rebellions of 1837 United Kingdom United Kingdom
    1837 1839 Dutch–Ahanta War Dutch Empire Ahanta Kingdom
    1838 1838 Battle of Blood River Voortrekkers Zulu kingdom
    1838 1839 Balaiada Empire of Brazil Empire of Brazil
    1838 1839 Pastry War France Kingdom of the French Mexico
    1839 1841 Egyptian–Ottoman War (1839–41) Flag of Egypt (1844-1867).svg Egypt
    France Kingdom of the French
    Spain Spain United Kingdom British Empire
    Austrian Empire Austrian Empire
    Russian Empire Russian Empire
    Kingdom of Prussia Kingdom of Prussia
    Ottoman Empire Ottoman Empire
    1839 1841 War of the Supremes
    1839 1842 First Anglo-Afghan War Emirate of Afghanistan British Empire
    British East India Company
    1839 1842 First Opium War

    I copied this from Wiki. This informs my idea of the 1830′s.

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  129. European wars and attempts at redrawing European borders conspicuously absent.

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  130. 1833 1840 First Carlist War Liberals and Allies:
    Spain Forces of Queen Isabella II of Spain
    British Empire
    France Kingdom of the French
    Portugal Forces of Queen Mary II of Portugal
    Carlists: Forces of Infante Carlos of Spain
    Portugal Forces of King Miguel of Portugal

    1839 1841 Egyptian–Ottoman War (1839–41) Flag of Egypt (1844-1867).svg Egypt
    France Kingdom of the French
    Spain Spain United Kingdom British Empire
    Austrian Empire Austrian Empire
    Russian Empire Russian Empire
    Kingdom of Prussia Kingdom of Prussia

    Ottoman Empire Ottoman Empire

  131. Hey 5371,

    Sure, they could supply better blondes from where the Jews had little reach, like Scotland. We all know who gentlemen prefer…
    Others supplied the slaving muscle and Jews only controlled the exchange of coin and goods in the markets where they were in predominance – unless you have sources that say otherwise. But yes, any sources you can provide would be great – I’m always open to more knowledge on any subject.

    Peace.

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  132. Do you understand what you copy?

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  133. No, we are talking in the main about eastern Europe, not Scotland. Jews from the Rhine worked with their fellows from the Levant to export captives there and to Spain for great profits.

  134. Hey 5371,

    OK – yeah – no need to cite sources then – the Eastern European (Slav/Slave) trade should be well known to most. Slavery was the norm at the time:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/slavery/ethics/philosophers_1.shtml

    Can’t fault them – specifically – for making a good profit on it.

    Peace.

  135. Do you understand what many of the European wars through WWII were about? Do you understand that after WWII quite a few ruling elites figured out that total war and territorial wars were not particularly effective ways of increasing their wealth and control?

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  136. You have answered my question with another question, so let me return the favour)) Do you still think the issues and methods of European power politics in the 1930s were also those of the 1830s? (Let me admit that as regards Spain, there are indeed analogies!)

  137. Do you still think the issues and methods of European power politics in the 1930s were also those of the 1830s?

    I think that WWII was the end of statecraft and empire building as it had existed for millennia. I think that Hitler was committed to ethnic cleansing and genocide like none of the other European leaders. I think he could have accomplished reasonable goals for Germany, and in fact did, without the war and the implementation of his genocidal policies. I have never called Hitler a monster. I think he was a normal politician. He just looked back instead of forward.

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  138. Wasn’t he ahead of his time in thinking that most colonies and dependencies are more trouble than they are worth? He was not the first or last to think in terms of population replacement.

    For the war dead and wounded and their relatives who have to shoulder the human cost of fighting imperial wars, yes. For others, who shoulder some of the taxes while getting opportunities to serve as colonial administrators or representatives for the metropole’s established or expanding businesses in the newly-conquered colonies, not so much. But for a would-be world conqueror, combat deaths are just the cost of doing business – manpower has always been the key resource sought by empire-builders, much more so than just land. A US of A with 1/10 the population would be a tempting target like Canada or Australia rather than a globe-striding superpower.

  139. Your style of discussion is the perennial fallacy of Ignoratio Elenchi, the fallacy which arises from “ignorance of the nature of refutation”. It is the default position of any Muslim when confronted with contrary arguments.
    You don’t want to discuss ‘theology’. But the Islamic state is a theocracy, based on sharia which was ‘revealed’ to Mahomet along with the glimpses into the nature of God. Every act of the ummah must be compliant with Mahomet’s pronouncements. “Allah is our objective; the Qur’an is the Constitution; the Prophet is our leader; jihad is our way; death for the sake of Allah is our wish.” (al-Ikhwān al-Muslimūn’s motto).

    Dar al -Islam never departed from its ‘objective’ of ‘submitting’ the Kaffirs, through terror or deception. Of course, the pillaging thugs which ‘conquered’ the Kaffirs had to use them to man the sophisticated state apparatus created by the Romans (and Persians), using a bit of taqiyya. But that did not detract the invaders from pursuing their true objectives, as the permanent bouts of ‘Islamic revivals’ (Tajdid, Sahwah) illustrate. Wahhabism, Salafism, Takfirism are a permanent feature of Islam. “The call to fundamentalism, centered on the sharia: this call is as old as Islam itself and yet still new because it has never been fulfilled, It is a tendency that is forever setting the reformer, the censor, and tribunal against the corruption of the times and of sovereigns, against foreign influence, political opportunism, moral laxity, and the forgetting of sacred texts” (Roy, Olivier (1994). The Failure of Political Islam).

    @You keep saying a bunch of stuff with zero citations

    I could not possibly quote all the Ahdnames (hudnas, amans) conferred to peoples of the Dar al-Harb (still Kufr). They were nevertheless unilateral grants, capitulations, or simply conceived as truces and implied payment of jizya (in the case of Balkan states). They were always composed in the form of unilateral treaties because of the Muslim legal theory. I offer you a citation:
    [the capitulations] “were conceived in principle as instruments of domestic policy in conformity with the law of Islam, which in theory cannot recognize the legal existence of statehood outside the Dâr al-Islam” ( A. H. De Groot, “The Historical Development of the Capitulatory Regime in the Ottoman Middle East from the Fifteenth to the Nineteenth Centuries” in A. H. De Groot, The Netherlands and Turkey: Four hundred years of political, economical, social and cultural relations: Selected Essays (Istanbul: Artpres, 2007). That is, the capitulations equated the harbi to the dhimmi. This is because, in theory, a safe-conduct (aman) permitted the harbi to stay in Dar al-Islam up to one year but the Ottoman capitulations increased this duration by recognising the harbi as if he was the non-Muslim subjects (dhimmi) of the state.

    @ you say Jews gave us the religion

    Well, it is not incidental that an Orthodox Rabbi said the same thing because this is the truth, as your very hadiths obliquely admit:
    “Then Allah’s Apostle returned with the Inspiration and with his heart beating severely. Then he went to Khadija bint Khuwailid and said, “Cover me! Cover me!” They covered him till his fear was over and after that he told her everything that had happened and said, “I fear that something may happen to me.” Khadija replied, “Never! By Allah, Allah will never disgrace you. You keep good relations with your Kith and kin, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guests generously and assist the deserving calamity-afflicted ones.” Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin ‘Abdul ‘Uzza, who, during the PreIslamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to Waraqa, “Listen to the story of your nephew, O my cousin!” Waraqa asked, “O my nephew! What have you seen?” Allah’s Apostle described whatever he had seen. Waraqa said, “This is the same one who keeps the secrets (angel Gabriel) whom Allah had sent to Moses.(Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 1, Number 3).

    Gospel in Hebrew letters! This must have been the ‘Injil’, one of the apocryphal Jewish–Christian Gospels (The Gospel of the Ebionites, The Gospel of the Hebrews and the Gospel of the Nazarenes). All these ‘Gospels’ denied the divinity of Jesus and it passed it in the Koran. Byzantine ‘polemicists’ (the same St. John of Damascus that we made already acquaintance with in a previous post) were right to consider the ‘sect of the Ishmaelites’ as a Christian heresy and a ‘Satanic plot’ to destroy the Christian Orthodox Faith (to which the non-Chalcedonian schismatics adhered too).
    I pass over the questions whether Waraqa bin Naufal and his niece were actually Jews themselves and that Mahomet himself married two more Jewesses. I pass over the way that Khadija alleviated the terror which seized Mahomet in the presence of Jibreel and convinced him that Jibreel was an angel and not a demon! I would have to suppress my inner desire to guffaw!

    One more thing. I should have said that the Jews were the ‘suppliers’ of female slaves, boys, etc. They were the so-called ‘Radhanites’, described by Ibn Khordadbeh, the Director of Posts and Police (spymaster and postman) for the province of Jibal under the Abbasid Caliph al-Mu’tamid (ruled 869–885), in Kitab al-Masalik wal-Mamalik (Book of Roads and Kingdoms), probably around 870:

    “These merchants speak Arabic, Persian, Roman, the Frank,Spanish, and Slav languages. They journey from West to East, from East to West, partly on land, partly by sea. They transport from the West eunuchs, female slaves, boys, brocade, castor, marten and other furs, and swords. They take ship from Firanja (France[7]), on the Western Sea, and make for Farama (Pelusium). There they load their goods on camel-back and go by land to al-Kolzum (Suez), a distance of twenty-five farsakhs. They embark in the East Sea and sail from al-Kolzum to al-Jar and al-Jeddah, then they go to Sind, India, and China. On their return from China they carry back musk, aloes, camphor, cinnamon, and other products of the Eastern countries to al-Kolzum and bring them back to Farama, where they again embark on the Western Sea. Some make sail for Constantinople to sell their goods to the Romans; others go to the palace of the King of the Franks to place their goods. Sometimes these Jew merchants, when embarking from the land of the Franks, on the Western Sea, make for Antioch (at the head of the Orontes River); thence by land to al-Jabia (al-Hanaya on the bank of the Euphrates), where they arrive after three days’ march. There they embark on the Euphrates and reach Baghdad, whence they sail down the Tigris, to al-Obolla. From al-Obolla they sail for Oman, Sindh, Hind, and China.”

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  140. If you studied the past more carefully, you wouldn’t think the only time the world was transformed was after WW2. That’s TV history.

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  141. Hey Seraphim,

    Every act of the ummah must be compliant with Mahomet’s pronouncements.

    True, and then you gird that general principle with details inferred from the motto of the Muslim Brotherhood as being representative of the Islamic tradition. How could anyone doubt your objectivity when it comes to this subject.

    using a bit of taqiyya

    OK – wait – so even though the Muslims were completely ascendant politically and militarily, they pretended not to be Muslim in order to get the Christians to work for them as administrators and bureaucrats – makes perfect sense!

    thugs

    Sour grapes? The first generation of Muslims; hardy and tough desert dwellers cut through numerically superior forces time and time again; men like roman legionaries and the vaunted Persian ‘hazar mard’ that were the elite military forces of the time.

    Olivier Roy is a brilliant man and his book is a highly recommended read. Indeed, those who believe in a ‘political Islam’ have put the proverbial cart before the horse – it’s not going anywhere. It is a religion, a subset of its praxis being the social order and political affairs. Those who have not established the ‘state of Islam’ within themselves will always fail when attempting to establish the ‘Islamic state’. But as far as his quote; it does indeed point to the concept of tajdid which is a living, self-correcting reality within the tradition embodied by men like; Junaid Baghdadi, Imam Ghazali, Imam Izz ibn AbdusSalam, Shaykh Ahmad Sirhindi, Sidi Ahmad Zarruq, Imam Haddad, etc. (may God illuminate their graves). You are saying that ‘Wahhabism, Salafism’ are examples of tajdid – that is your opinion – they are certainly reformist movements, but ones that have little backing from the Sunni Orthodoxy – Imam Ibn Abideen (ra) – the foremost Ottoman Hanafi scholar of his time (whose book is the primary text to graduate Hanafi muftis from the East to the West – called out the Wahhabis as Khawarij when they first appeared.

    Takfirism [is] a permanent feature of Islam

    This is true unfortunately, extremist manifestations of the Khawarij appear again and again every few centuries – the Prophet (pbuh) warned us about them.

    This is because, in theory, a safe-conduct (aman) permitted the harbi to stay in Dar al-Islam up to one year but the Ottoman capitulations increased this duration by recognising the harbi as if he was the non-Muslim subjects (dhimmi) of the state.

    Not sure at all what you are getting at here, but if the crux is that a non-Muslim (from Adr al-Harb) travelling through Muslim lands required a grant of aman (almost like a visa) which was granted unilaterally at the whim of Muslim authorities, then yes, there were not ‘open border’ policies. The reverse was also true; Muslims travelling into Dar al-Harb also sought aman to travel through their territory and at times had to surrender taxes to non-Muslim authorities for protection (a reversal of jizya):
    “Question: In a territory ruled by non-Muslims, they have left the Muslims [in peace] other than that they pay tax [mâl] every year just like the jizya-tax in reverse, for when the Muslims pay them, their protection is ensured and the non-Muslims do not oppose them [i.e., do not interfere with them]. Thereupon, Islam becomes practiced openly and our Law is established [meaning that they have the freedom to practice their religious duty in the open and in effect become practicing Muslims in that non-Muslim society]. If the Muslims do not pay them, the non-Muslims could massacre them by killing or pillage. Is it permissible to pay them the tax [and thereby become residents there]?”
    “Answer: Insofar as it is possible for Muslims to practice their religion openly with what they can have power over, and they are not afraid of any threat [fitna] to their religion if they pay tax to the non-Muslims, it is permissible for them to reside there. It is also permissible to pay them the tax as a requirement of it [residence]; rather, it is obligatory [wâjib] to pay them the tax for fear of their causing harm to the Muslims. The ruling about the non-Muslims at war as mentioned above, because they protect the Muslims [in their territory], is that it would not be permissible for the Muslims to murder them or to steal from them.
    [al-Kurdi, Fatawa, 208]” This is Imam al-Kurdi (ra) a giant in the transmission of the Shafi’i school.

    http://www.livingislam.org/maa/dcmm_e.html

    I pass over the way that Khadija alleviated the terror which seized Mahomet in the presence of Jibreel and convinced him that Jibreel was an angel and not a demon!

    I don’t know if you think you sound objective in your own head, but I can guarantee you that, to any neutral party observing this exchange, you are as dogmatic considering this subject matter as I am – I’m simply openly admitting it. No dice; not playing theological whack-a-mole to your rehashes of old Orientalist arguments.

    Regarding Jews and the slave trade. Did you see my exchanges with 5731? Of course I acknowledge they were involved, from the East to the West. This is historically documented fact and they were simply provided a scratch for the itch that both Muslims and Christians (https://muse.jhu.edu/article/458287) had. No problem with that, but you made it sound like they had a monopoly on it “Jews have been the providers” (especially with reference to blonde women) which led them to have preferential treatment vis-a-vis Christians; neither of which claims you can prove out and for which I have posted refutations with citations.

    Again, as our last exchange, this is going nowhere fast. I’m sure we both have better things to do. I think people can see the cases laid out and decide the merits of either side.

    Peace.

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  142. you wouldn’t think the only time the world was transformed was after WW2.

    I didn’t say that it was the only time. I said that I thought there was a clear break in the behavior of the European states. But you haven’t given me any alternative explanations, just that you think I was wrong.

  143. @playing theological whack-a-mole to your rehashes of old Orientalist arguments.

    What do you mean? You again fall into irrelevance.

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  144. No problem Seraphim, I was pointing out the argument that Waraqa bin Nawfal (ra) or the Nestorian monk Babies taught him the religion based on innuendo and ‘obliquely’ stretching the outward meaning of the reports to fit one’s narrative. It’s a very old one, I think from the 1800s.

    You have my respect though for at least pulling something out of Bukhari Sharif instead of something tenuous out of a work of seerah or maghazi text.

    Peace.

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  145. Doh – Bahira, not ‘babies’ – LOL! Stinking auto-correct!

  146. You always seem surprised that I use primary sources instead of second-hand ones, as you do.
    Why don’t you use the title under which it is known in English: Shahih al-Bukhari? We don’t converse in Urdu.
    Anyhow, the text is actually straightforward enough to draw the conclusion (backed by other sources – that you know, so I won’t quote them!) that the real inspiration behind the ‘revelation’ of Mahomet was his ‘Queen Esther’, Khadija. She ‘convinced’ him that his paranoid visions (typical for schizophrenia, which the Meccans clearly knew since his childhood) were divine inspirations (using sex like Esther). She actually started telling her neighbors that the angel Gabriel had spoken to her husband in the cave and that he was the “final messenger.” She was obviously claiming that Mohammad had a connection to the God of the Israelites (Jews) and sent him to be coached by Waraqa, and then to Medina, most likely to be coached into ‘prophethood’ in a more Jewish environment).
    “Islam did not rise except through Ali’s sword and Khadijah’s wealth,” a saying goes. The Jewish bankers of the time paying the warrior patsies to do the wet jobs.

    And, actually all discussions about Mahomet, Islam are utterly useless. Mahomet was not a prophet (at best a ‘false prophet’), no matter of what your Hanafi muftis or other Sunni or Sufi luminaries might say.

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  147. Why don’t you use the title under which it is known in English

    Because there is only one Bukhari to speak of – why would anyone confuse it with a tafsir or any other text? And the word Sharif is Arabic.

    And, actually all discussions about Mahomet, Islam are utterly useless.

    With you, quite so – as I am kicking myself as to why I didn’t learn the first time.

    Peace.

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  148. And because I’m from Pakistan originally, this phrase comes in handy because of its wide use in the Indian Subcontinent as an appellation of respect.

    Anybody unfamiliar with the term will quickly figure it out using a Google search.

    Peace.

  149. I should have said that the Jews were the ‘suppliers’ of female slaves, boys, etc.

    They were not the “suppliers;” they were the middlemen.

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  150. Jews have dominated the slave trade from Antiquity onwards. They didn’t just come across slaves on the market and just buying them and selling them. They were actually seeking that merchandise, financing the procurement by the raids of the ‘barbarians’ among whom notorious were the Vikings (and not that surprisingly the Khazars). The slave trade was an institution dominated by the Jews at all times.

  151. The slave trade was an institution dominated by the Jews at all times.

    Inaccurate.

    The Portuguese and later the Spanish kicked off the Atlantic slave trade and only a few “conversos” were involved; the Jews having been expelled from Iberia some 50 or 60 years before the trade went big time.

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  152. You dodge the question. We were not talking about the Atlantic slave trade, but about the slave trade from Antiquity to our days. There is no doubt whatsoever that Jews were heavily involved in it in Roman times, Late Antiquity, Middle Ages, Modern times. Their centers were in Islamic lands (where the principal centers of Jewry have always been, from Babylon to al-Andaluz ), that’s why you don’t see much of them in the Atlantic trade, which was marginal, but attracted immediately the ‘few conversos’.
    The traffic of white women for prostitution is well documented since the 19th Century ‘traite des blanches’ to the more recent ‘rumeur d’Orleans’ (1960-70) and the activities of the so-called ‘Russian Mafia’ (actually Jewish).

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  153. You dodge the question.

    No. You dodge the question.

    You said the slave trade by the Jews at all times.

    This is inaccurate.

    The Atlantic slave trade was not marginal.

    Don’t wait for Talha to challenge you, give us more comments about the early Church whenever you get a chance.

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  154. I take back my comment on trump. He just endorsed criminal mccain. He’s obviously one of the traitors who want to enrich the rich and f*** the rest. He has no intention of the serving the people or “making America great”. He wants to serve the .000000012%.

    I’m going third party and hope others will too. They are the only ones who will represent us. Go Jill!

  155. I said that ‘the slave trade by the Jews at all times’ because this is the incontrovertible reality. If you would take the pain to study the problem, you wouldn’t be so categorical. It’s not the information that is lacking (there is a glut of it, readily accessible), but the willingness to get informed. Besides, I do not pretend to be a teacher. I would have then written my own articles. All I try to do is to suggest people to seek the right information on a subject.

  156. trump is jewish: http://mileswmathis.com/trump.pdf

    There’s only 1 party in the mainstream and that’s the man behind the curtain. We have to go third party: http://rense.com/general96/jillstein.htm

  157. Why would Jews favor Muslims entering the United States? This does not make sense given the level of actual antisemitism in the Muslim world. And with ‘actual’ I mean violent.

  158. The Pilgrims did not believe that Jesus was God. They claimed he was just a prophet like the apostles and st Paul

    They were not Christians but wanna be Jews.

  159. Wow! I used to read only the MSM, but this website has opened my eyes…

    In that I didn’t know there was such a concentrated collection of self-pitying, tinfoil-hatted racist losers on the whole internet. You learn something new every day!

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