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The Rabbis do not regret the Paris disaster. “It’s Divine punishment for burning the Talmud,” divines a prominent Jewish divine, the Bethel Rabbi Shlomo Aviner, about the Notre Dame fire. In 1242 the French investigated the Talmud, established that the codex contains volumes of hate speech, and finally burned 1200 codices in the square of the freshly-built Notre Dame Cathedral. “The time for punishment is here,” the Rabbi intones dramatically. Not so fast, Rabbi! If we must connect these two events – the historical burning of the Talmud and the recent destruction of the church, the real point of the story is that France once had a strong, virile immune system. That medieval destruction of that evil book built up a healthy immunity to Talmudic legalisms that helped the cathedral survive wars and revolutions for the magic number of 777 years. But nothing, alas, lasts forever: the resistance of the French people has exhausted itself.

Perhaps it’s time to re-inoculate the French people against Talmudic scheming. Maybe the nasty spirit of Talmudic intolerance and Judaic supremacy should be exorcised once again from the heart of France for another 777 years. Mayhap the building of the replacement cathedral will inspire a new spirit of fidelity to Our Lady. But it’s not likely to happen. Indeed, in the present climate the French authorities are more likely to turn the burned wreckage of Notre Dame into the next Tolerance Museum.

777 years ago, a Jew who denied the Talmud, parted with Jewry, accepted Christ and entered the Church, Nicholas Danin exposed the kvetching Talmudic hate to a disputation that, shocked and bitterly offended, agreed to gather them up and burn them. In Macron’s France, Nicholas Danin would be dragged into court by LICRA (Ligue Internationale Contre le Racisme et l’Antisémitisme) and sentenced to jail, if not burned at the stake. Danin, not the Talmud, would be found guilty of hate speech if his judges had been trained, as we are, in philosemitism. Is there any reason to return the ruins of Notre Dame to the Catholic Church? Why not hand it directly over to CRIF (Conseil Représentatif des Institutions juives de France).

In the same article the French-born Rabbi Shlomo Aviner reminds his followers that all Christian churches will eventually be destroyed (at least in Israel) – but the time is not ripe yet. As for the French cathedral, “we aren’t obligated to destroy it,” though “Christianity is the main enemy of the Jews.” A Jew is supposed to rejoice at the sight of a burned church and recite a special blessing of the Lord of Vengeance Who overturns the House of the Proud. Jewish power in France rises whilst the significance of the Church dwindles; the old cathedral had little chance to survive such a turn of fate. It will be rebuilt as something else: something not Catholic, something that is not a church. It will be designed to appeal to tourists; no need to consult the native Frenchmen. It is already being decided for them.

The destruction of the cathedral had been in the cards a long time. When the naked witches of Femen celebrated their black mass, abused the priests and flogged the venerable old bells in the Notre Dame towers, the French court immediately acquitted them of all charges and instead sentenced the guards who tried to stop the sacrilege. And yet even this was not enough for the enemies of the Church: for their bold blasphemy the Femen were presented with France’s 2017 International Secularism Award, their leader had a postage stamp issued in her honour and she served as the model for the French icon of Marianne. Dominique Venner, a French Catholic writer and historian, committed suicide in the cathedral in 2013 to alert his countrymen to the storm clouds threatening his beloved France, but all in vain.

In France, the relentless struggle against the church, led by the Jews and their allies, continues to bear fruit. In 2013, the government of Holland forced their citizens to accept gay marriage despite massive demos by French Catholics. The influence of LICRA in France exceeds even that of the ADL in America. Catholics like Soral and Dieudonné are now being sent to jail for offending Jewish sensitivities (and as you know, Jews can be very sensitive). They prosecute the Yellow Vests just as they persecute the Church and for the very same reason: both are made up of sturdy provincials who harken back to the days of Christian France.

The terrible blaze in Paris should be an ominous warning for the French: Reconnect with your Church! Save Her and cherish Her, for She may not always be with you. And who will save you when She has gone? The Church of France should reach out to the people by supporting the Yellow Vests against the anti-Christian government of Macron. His government did nothing to defend the Church and that fire didn’t come out of the blue. Macron is definitely guilty, if not by deed, then by criminal negligence. It’s too easy to imagine him toasting champagne at the news. We all should be wary of powerful people who are likely to rejoice at the destruction of our churches.

ORDER IT NOW

The previous campaigners against the church in France marshaled, as they did in the US, beneath the banner of ‘Paedophile Priests’. This clear-cut ad hominem (or should we say “canard”, or “trope”?) is aimed directly at the heart of the Church. No one says a word about the dishonesty of the jibe, they are too busy beating their breasts. Yet if you make mention of “Jewish crooks” you’ll have LICRA or its sister bodies pounding on your door. It might be that there are crooks who happen to be Jews, but that doesn’t make them ‘Jewish crooks’, they recite piously. And if you happen to say ‘Jewish crook’, you are guilty of antisemitism. But ‘Paedophile Priests’ is fine. And so the Church is forced to cleanse Herself, and the Jews are left alone, free to continue their self-destructive denouement.

Jews describe themselves as “a Nation of Priests”, the priests of the most anti-Christian faith on the planet. As the influence of the Jewish church waxes, the strength of the Christian church wanes. It is zero-sum-game.

Even those of us who aren’t interested in things spiritual can see history threatening to repeat itself. Whenever the forces of darkness prepare a new attack on mankind, they use their considerable artillery to shut down any potential resistance, and they always start by targeting their avowed enemy, the Church. This was the practice of the Third Reich as well: before starting the war, they began a timely campaign of ‘priests as sex fiends’ to bully the church into silent acquiescence. Our Fourth Reich has taken careful notes: the Church was against the war in Iraq; the Church was steadfast in her defence of Palestine; the Church is against the impending attack on Iran; the Church is implacably opposed to war with Russia. Obviously the Church must be brought to heel.

But the Church cannot be stained by the foul deeds committed Her servants. If a priest abuses a boy then the crime is his crime, not that of the Church. Likewise, if a soldier abuses a boy it is not the fault of the army, and if a politician abuses a boy the nation is not to blame. Since we now sue the Catholic Church for crimes committed by priests, shouldn’t we be able to sue her traditional competitor, the Jews, for every crime committed by a Jew? If the Church bears responsibility for “abusing priests”, maybe International Jewry should be responsible for “cheating Jews”? Or for war-mongering Jews? Or for Jews killing gentiles in Palestine?

A little bird tells me that modern Jews would never agree to accept collective responsibility. They regret their hubris when they stood before Pilate. Today’s Jews are ready to act as a collective in order to collect, but not to pay. Today’s generation of gentle church doves might learn a few pragmatic lessons from these wise old serpents on how to survive in this Jewish world.

A little advice: dismiss the alleged victims of last century’s clerical abuse. Send them home. I do not feel sorry for these late claimants. Why did they wait 20 years to complain? Children who are attacked scream and run home to parents and police. If they didn’t run and scream, it wasn’t an attack. Chalk it up to a clumsy pass by a pathetic amateur; an unpleasant, shameful experience to be sure, but one unlikely to be repeated with a firm rebuke. Blame yourself for sending mixed signals, and go on with your life. Join mankind: every one of us, even your mommy and daddy, suffered an unwanted kiss or an undesired embrace. The laws should be reasonable. Allowing 20-year old claims for unreported transgressions is not reasonable. Only an immediate accusation should be considered valid, and 24 hours is more than enough time in most cases to lodge a formal complaint.

If a crime has occurred, then of course the criminal should be punished. But let not the denouncer profit by his report of the crime. This is the necessary rule of justice. There was a time when a denouncer could claim a third of a denounced man’s property. Oftentimes we exceed even that in today’s litigious environment.

The “paedo” angle is misleading. What is “a child”? Are you revolted by Romeo and Juliet? As a good American citizen, you should be; Juliet was 14, and thus Romeo today would be tried and locked up as a “paedophile”, together with his accomplice the good Friar Laurence. Friar Laurence would surely be considered as an “abusing priest”, and a Dershowitz would collect a million ducats from the Diocese of Verona for his sin of arranging the lovers’ tryst. Edgar Allan Poe married a 14-year old, and if the present laws were in force the American poet would harken to his Raven’s “nevermore” in jail. The prophet Muhammad married nine-year-old Aisha, but Jacob, the Biblical patriarch, surpassed him and married Rachel who was only 7. In our modern world Jacob and Muhammad would be hunted down, extradited and jailed. It is possible that even better-placed Persons would not fare well when faced with today’s enlightened justice: the Mother of our Saviour was just 14 at Annunciation.

Greek tradition approves of mature women who are willing to share their expertise with growing boys. In the Greek classic book Daphnis and Chloe, an experienced and mature lady Lycaenion taught young Daphnis how to attend to his girlfriend – to their mutual satisfaction. The BBC reports of a 26-year old woman teacher who was arrested for having sex with her 15-year old pupil. Even the prosecutor admitted that it’s “every schoolboy’s fantasy to have that kind of attention from a young, attractive member of staff”, but pushed for conviction all the same. In the US, Pamela Rogers was sentenced to years of jail-time for having sex with a boy as tall as you and me; he may have been only 13 at the time, but this happens to be the exact age my great-grandfather was married. If Mrs Rogers had instead concentrated on emotionally torturing and humiliating the boy she would have certainly enjoyed a successful career in public education. Who knows, she might have become Secretary of State.

ORDER IT NOW

The Americans and the Brits have invented the nonsensical concept of “statutory rape”; as if a state prosecutor knows better than boys and girls what they want. The great French thinkers Sartre and Derrida, Foucault and de Beauvoir, called in 1977 for scrapping this jailbait trap, this tool of selective prosecution. Wise Spaniards established the age of consent at 13, while the even wiser Muslims place no age limit for marriage at all because they so strongly disapprove of extramarital relations. Jews were guided by the Talmud, which stipulates the permitted age of marriage for girls at ‘three years and one day’ (though the safer age of nine was preferred), and wisely forbidding sodomy.

Indeed, almost all the cases of alleged clerical abuse are homosexual; the alleged victims should perhaps sue the gay rights organizations that infested the Church instead of harassing the Church Who failed to keep them out. But Church leaders are not permitted to even contemplate such a suggestion. They can’t say “pederasty”; they must pretend this is “paedophilia”. They are forbidden to defrock a homosexual priest lest they be accused of “homophobia”.

Sexual violence towards a small boy or girl by an adult man is a repulsive and criminal act, but such accusations are extremely rare in the history of clerical abuse.

We must not remain indifferent to the travails of the Church, for only She has the potential to turn the predatory neo-Judaic state into a peace-loving Christian one. The Church affirms the primacy of spirit, and of our godlike abilities to think and to reproduce; such hopeful opinions are anathema to our Worldly Masters. On the deepest level the Church is the main adversary of evil in our world. The worldlings have formed a competing church of sorts, the church of darkness, and they will not suffer a competitor.

Dominant as they are, they are not omnipotent. There is no magic in their incantations. They have no divine powers behind them. They are impostors. They exploit the old myths of mankind, forgetting that nothing works without God. As rebels against God, they will be defeated. As charlatans they will be dismantled. Their fall is imminent. We should reject them completely, as completely as we are called to in our confession of faith.

The Catholic Church is one of the greatest champions of Palestine. They have a Palestinian Patriarch, they do their best to defend the Palestinian people. All established churches support Palestine; with the apostolic churches taking the leading role, and the Catholics often leading them all. During the 2002 Bethlehem siege by the Jews, the Catholic Church led the resistance. I know because I was resisting too. Once upon a time, the Church led the Crusade to liberate the Holy Land. With a brave and selfless spirit She could lead a Crusade of Peace and free it again.

France once reached the greatest heights of economic fairness, social sophistication and moral integrity in union with the Church. The terrible warning of the Notre Dame blaze should shock the people of France into returning to the Rock of the Church, just as it must surely make the Church wake up to the “smoke of Satan” permeating Her walls.

In collaboration with Paul Bennett

Read more on the abusing priests here: http://www.unz.com/ishamir/darkness-from-the-west/

Israel Shamir can be reached at [email protected]

This article was first published at The Unz Review.

 
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  1. Rational says:

    JEWISH SCHOLAR DR. SAMUEL BENJAMIN HARRIS

    Thanks for the article, Sir.

    It is good the French burnt the Talmud, but the Talmud is simply commentary on the Torah.

    The root evil is the Torah (Old Testament) and they should have burnt that instead. Eg.

    “There is no text more barbaric than the Old Testament….–books like Deuteronomy and Leviticus and Exodus*. The Quran pales in comparison.”–Jewish author Dr. Samuel Benjamin Harris.

    *i.e. Torah

    http://www.evilbible.com/do-not-ignore-the-old-testament/evils-of-the-torah/

    Re your point that: “We must not remain indifferent to the travails of the Church, for only She has the potential to turn the predatory neo-Judaic state into a peace-loving Christian one.”

    Sure, with the Christian bible saying that we must worship the Judaists as God’s chosen people, while they cut our throats, are cursed if we curse them, blessed if we bless them, it is going to solve our problem!

    It is like a man going to the criminal gang to investigate a crime the gang committed.

  2. The New Age began with a Millenarist mania for extracting Christ from his Hebrew background and integrating Him as another god or demigod into the pantheons of the ancient Pagan cults. The obsession with separating the Old Testament from the New Testament culminated in a long series of popular cults that ran the gamut from Puritan fundamentalism to Deists like Jefferson and his redacted version of the bible. When you let a dog off the chain there’s no telling where he will run.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  3. The terrible blaze in Paris should be an ominous warning for the French: Reconnect with your Church! Save Her and cherish Her

    The Roman Catholic Church in France, in common with all major denominations throughout the West, has utterly betrayed the people by embracing diversity and welcoming Islam. The people would be mad to save and cherish a church which has made itself their enemy.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @anon
    , @anon
  4. A123 says:

    Of course the #1 source of hate during the fire was Islam. Here is an example (1):

    “Allah Akbar, f**k France, f**k the pigs. Karma, now let’s destroy and build a mosque Inchalah,”

    Why does the author decide to ignore the comments of the many and focus only on a few odd balls?

    If you don’t want to believe me or the source I linked …. good for you. Score social media yourself. Search the tag stream #NotreDame for posters with names including the various spellings of Muhammad. Now repeat the process for various spellings of a classic Jewish name such as Bibi (Benjamin). Share your findings.

    I feel quite confident that any objective test will find a much higher HATE post count from Muslim names vs. Jewish ones.

    _____

    French gaming company Ubisoft is donating 1/2 million Euros for reconstruction and sharing a one of their games that has an extremely detailed model of the site (2).

    Christianity will overcome this loss and rise from the ashes stronger than before.

    _____

    (1) https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/allah-akbar-as-notre-dame-burned-muslims-celebrated-on-social-media

    (2) https://www.pcgamesn.com/assassins-creed-unity/notre-dame

  5. Anon[189] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Maybe tourism has a degrading effect on culture.

    With air travel and globalism, tourism has gotten out of control.

    France has long had tourists and travelers, but what was once a drizzle turned into a downpour. When foreigners are always present around certain sites, they no longer feel very French. They always seem occupied by tourists. Sure, tourists spend money, and there is a certain prestige of cultural pride in drawing in so many people from around the world. But when there are so many and all the time, the people of the nation no longer feel their history and heritage belongs to them.

    Furthermore, many more boors and Uglobalists are now tourists, and they treat every part of the world like Disneyland.

  6. If a priest abuses a boy then the crime is his crime, not that of the Church.

    If the church is complicit in enabling and covering up the crime then indeed, the crime is that of the church.

  7. Giuseppe says:

    If the church is complicit in enabling and covering up the crime then indeed, the crime is that of the church.

    Individuals are solely responsible for their own actions, collective guilt is a Marxist construct. Any individual within the Church complicit in enabling or covering up the crime is guilty of his own action.

    • Replies: @Polemos
  8. Ma Laoshi says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Yes Mr. Shamir is being deliberately obtuse here. When one religion competes with another religion, the result is usually dishonesty all around. In structures with unaccountable power, which prioritize protecting their own tribe at the expense of truth and justice, such things are bound to happen again and again. Not that I’d want my son to contract herpes genitalis from a jewish mohel either.

  9. @A123

    It’s indeed interesting re the Notre Dame fire, what you can see online on Twitter etc – especially reading in French

    Seems Notre Dame is quite an item of SWPL (Stuff White People Like), not so much for other groups

    You see major cultural fault lines, a very sad kind of non-dialogue, showing how people live in different mental worlds

    Some Arabs are tweeting amusement, how they don’t care about this event, some how it’s time to build a mosque there, as noted above

    Some blacks are online talking about how selfish white people are, to care about an old building when black people are poor

    Some Jews say that the cathedral was built with money stolen from Jews, when the church burned the Jewish Talmud books in 1242, 777 years ago, as Shamir notes

    But Macron says he will re-build the cathedral to reflect France’s multi-cultural ‘diversity’ … Mosque as well on the property, plus a trans-gender cultural support centre too?

    For those inclined to question the ‘official story’, Aangirfan on her site, has been running a large Notre Dame thread, of many of the suspicious things about this event, e.g., the former Notre Dame chief architect saying the cause of the fire was almost certainly not an ‘accident’, given the extra fuel needed to ignite 800-year-old, rock-like, petrified wood

    Indeed it’s curious how quickly they announced the ‘accident’ theory, whilst the fire was still raging and investigators could not even enter the area

    • Replies: @A123
    , @anon
    , @Miggle
  10. It’s inaccurate to think of any organization as a monolith. Every institution is a loose grouping of individuals who may or may not toe the line. Every corporation has its whistleblowers who buck the chain of command and bite the hands that feed them. Every family is a drama generator. Every army has its renegades and criminals. Theoretically there is a hierarchy that must be adhered to, but practically speaking the leaders are forced to use the carrot and stick to reap even a modicum of cooperation.

    Every general is feathering his own nest, and that’s true of his captains, his corporals and his sergeants. No one above private obeys an order unless its in his own interest to obey it. As soon as the going gets tough, the tough start looking for greener fields. Everyone is out for himself, more or less, and we ignore this fact to our own peril. When the ADL is building support for another law or war, they know that bullying politicians is like herding cats. Every cat has his particular fancy, some personal project or predilection that must be satisfied in order to buy compliance. They must be threatened. They must be cajoled.

    Thus it is with the Catholic Church. She may be supernatural in origin, but She is staffed with a loosely-networked motley crew of peculiar individuals. The Vatican may demand a sudden swing to the Left, pleasing Social Justice Warriors and Global Warming Fanatics, but She is dragging along 2000 years of Magisterium and no longer can turn on a dime. The local bishop might attempt to cover up a scandal to keep his flock happy and ignorant, but the bishop from a nearby diocese might make a few phone calls and expose the shenanigans. Western bishops have formed numerous support organizations such as the USCCB that are in open revolt against Vatican control. German bishops bend their knee to no man, but they grovel at the thought of the yearly Kirchensteuer.

    The Vatican is completely ignored by every priest in every corner of the world. Priests do what they like, and let the bishops beware. When we say something as foolish as, “the Roman Catholic Church has participated in the cover-up of Pedophile Priests”, we are not actually saying much of anything at all. The Catholic Church has a Roman Rite, this is true, but there is only one Church. Christ is not a polygamist and there is only one Bride of Christ. Certain bishops certainly cover up crimes in their diocese, but in all likelihood this is as far up the chain of command that the cover-up went. Other bishops, priests and lay may have lodged formal complaints about the bishop, but an investigation by the Vatican holds about as much power as the local bishop allows it; and it’s a rare person who cooperates with his own destruction, even if deserved. Finally, the crimes were clearly homosexual in nature, which is a far cry from Pedophilia and not illegal.

    “The Vatican knew and did nothing!” So goes the denunciations in the Press, giving new dimensions to hypocrisy. The Press is the champion of homosexuality. If it is not illegal for reporters to engage in sodomy then it is not illegal for bishops to sleep with seminarians. A traditional Catholic is deeply offended when any priest breaks his vows, but reporters are motivated by scandal, not theology. They are Pharisees beating their breasts about rampant crime and all the time trying to ignite a race war. Who should we blame if priests trade God for gayness? Should we blame the Church, Who opposes homosexuality for all people, or the modern marketers of homosexuality? Who penetrated who?

    If the Vatican did nothing it is because no one will allow it to do anything. If an American bishop is investigated by the Vatican for crimes against his flock, USCCB representatives will be on the next plane to quash it. The Vatican must tread lightly around their rebellious bishops. The greatest fear of anyone who ostensibly rules is that their subjects will begin to ignore the orders from the top. In the Church, this is known as Schism. In enlightened circles it is known that Schism is inevitable, and that both sides are simply maneuvering for stronger positioning. If the Church were stripped of Her homosexual priests not a diocese in the West could perform the Sacraments, and no one is ready for that.

    Except the reporters. They just want a juicy scandal.

  11. Polemos says:
    @Giuseppe

    Do you think of Thomas Hobbes as a Marxist?

    Or what about Paul the Apostle?

    • Replies: @Giuseppe
    , @Giuseppe
  12. but catholic church doctrine cannot remain as it is..it is wrong and the church must be reformed. the same with all christian denominations.

    the doctrine of a supreme man in the sky is nonsense. and the story of Jesus is also tendentious and must be brought into line with truth and logic. belief and faith may play some role ultimately with the idea of god but it must be logical. if there is to be belief belief must start where logic ends

    but the church as bulwark against evil I agree with. the church as source of democracy, humanity, fair play. defense of the weak from the strong a place of communion with the spirit of the universe, the spirit of nature of which we are all a part, came out of is fine by me.

    to really go forward the church must first go back and correct itself historically, clean up its racism and bring doctrine into line with what we now know to be true. and indeed that is the only way Christianity is going to defeat the Judaic devil, bring that Satan spawn into line with normal life, integrated among humanity as part of..not superior over and above

    Christianity has not defeated the Satan because it too has played with Satan, in permeated by the evil itself, lie to the people, is in tune with exploitative society..Capitalism, preparing the people people for their exploitation by the very Satan itself. there are enough Christian denominations leading ordinary people astray in droves, in the process of fattening their own pockets. the Church, Christianity is hierarchical and exploitative itself. Christianity will never defeat the devil for it to is devilish. until Christianity cleans itself up, reforms itself by doctrine, brings itself into line with truth and the true spiritual needs of the people it will never defeat he Judiac Satan..will likely be subsumed but that Satan and become full, totally the enemy of the people as well

    • Agree: Druid
  13. Giuseppe says:
    @Polemos

    Assigning collective guilt is morally repugnant and I don’t care if you want to call it Marxist, Hobbesian or Pauline.

    • Replies: @Polemos
  14. Giuseppe says:
    @Polemos

    Assigning collective guilt is morally repugnant and I don’t care if you want to call it Marxist, Hobbesian or Pauline.

  15. A123 says:
    @Brabantian

    Indeed it’s curious how quickly they announced the ‘accident’ theory, whilst the fire was still raging and investigators could not even enter the area

    Macron does seem to be going out of his way to spike an investigation. Almost as if he has something to hide…. So have to ask:

    Did MACRON Start the Fire?

    He certainly is #1 in terms of “Motivation” for such a crime. The fire:

    -1- Diverts attention from the Yellow Vest / Christian Populist movement.
    -2- Increases his poll numbers (1).
    -3- Allows him to obey his Soros/Globalist masters — An attempt to replace a powerful Christian symbol with one rooted in dhimmi Multiculturalism.

    Hopefully the Catholic Church will insist on a full & independent investigation lead by Vatican officials. It’s the only way to reach a result that will be credible. Unfortunately, the current Pope is so befuddled that he may roll-over for Macron.

    _____

    (1) https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1116805/macron-news-Notre-dame-fire-yellow-vest-protest-paris-police

    • Replies: @anonymous
  16. wayfarer says:

    “Notre Dame Incinerated.”

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    , @Avalanche
  17. @Rational

    Sure, with the Christian bible saying that we must worship the Judaists as God’s chosen people,

    The Christian bible, i.e. the New Testament says no such thing. It’s been 55 years since my confirmation, but the message at the time was that Christians were the chosen people through the new covenant. The “chosen people” broke the covenant and were un-chosen.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  18. TKK says:

    This article needs an editor. He is literally stringing together paragraphs with no transitions. Just big blobs of Jew hysteria.

    He must know his audience so well here that he knows this garbage will be gobbled up like cake as long as he panders, notwithstanding reading it is as enjoyable as a root canal.

    Compare it to Joe Bob Briggs work. An actual writer, not a ham fisted proselytizer for Islam.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
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    , @AnonStarter
  19. anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    The Church doesn’t own the Cathedral. It is property of the French State. Church assets were seized during the revolution.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  20. Anon[204] • Disclaimer says:

    It sounds almost as if Israel Shamir approves of pedophilia. Jacob and Muhammad should indeed both be thrown in jail for marrying 7 and 9 year old girls, that’s why both Judaism and Islam are such F up religions. And he thinks it’s okay for grown 20 something female teachers to have sex with their 13 and 15 year old male students? That is F up!

    While I agree that we should not fault the failure of the priests on the religion itself, the Catholic church does have to bear some responsibility for the cover up of the abusive homosexual priests, as well as other wrongs in the past and present. The extreme corruption of the church in the past was what led to the Protestant Reformation by Martin Luther. But even today, it is hard sometimes for me to not be upset with the church for some of the things they are doing, such as sponsoring Muslim refugees for $10k a pop, sheltering illegal immigrants, and helping to bus in the illegals marching in from Central America. And why is the church supporting the Palestinians? Why is Pope Francis meddling in America’s immigration policy by calling for open borders? I think the church needs to stick to the salvation of whoever walks through its doors, instead of trying to play politics. It is not their place.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Daniel Rich
  21. Anon[394] • Disclaimer says:

    Happy Passover, Jew-worshipers!

    Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 1 Co. 5.7

    Now me, I’m celebrating pre-jewsus Ēostre, with my European ancestors’ symbols of fertility like colored eggs and rabbits, instead of perverted Abrahamic human sacrifice.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  22. I like an uncompromising writer who fearlessly skewers what passes for current wisdom.

    • Replies: @Gordon Pratt
    , @fenestol
  23. turtle says:

    The embers were not even cold when we were subjected to the “expert” opinion of a Jewess from L.A. as to how the French Roman Catholics should rebuild *their* cathedral.

    https://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-notre-dame-fire-rebuild-science-engineering-20190417-story.html

    Cohen herself favors an approach that recognizes the building’s relevance in the 21st century rather than hewing to plans that go back to the 1100s. In practical terms, that would mean not replicating the iconic spire designed by Eugene Emmanuel Viollet-le-Duc in the mid-1800s, though it might be replaced with something new.

    “A carbon copy is a false history because you can’t re-create the past,” she said. “It would still have a completion date of 2019.”

    No doubt she would like to see something butt-ugly on the site, designed by her fellow tribesman Daniel Libeskind, complete with a large menorah at the highest point.

    To which I say:
    Too bad, c*unt.
    STFU and butt out. It is none of your God-damned business.
    If you want to talk about “false history,” how about we visit certain structures in Poland which were built in 1947, or thereabouts, and are now passed off to gullible tourists as dating to before 1945.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
    , @anon
  24. Wally says:

    Shamir said:

    “This was the practice of the Third Reich as well: before starting the war, they began a timely campaign of ‘priests as sex fiends’ to bully the church into silent acquiescence”

    Germany did not start the war, the US, Britain & France did.

    recommended:
    Roosevelt Conspired to Start World War II in Europe: http://www.unz.com/article/roosevelt-conspired-to-start-world-war-ii-in-europe/

    The Remarkable Historiography of David Irving: http://www.unz.com/announcement/the-remarkable-historiography-of-david-irving/

    Responsibility for WW2: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7544

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Saggy
  25. anon[250] • Disclaimer says:
    @Brabantian

    Some blacks are online talking about how selfish white people are, to care about an old building when black people are poor

    lol “feed me honky cracker”

  26. Willem says:

    ‘We must not remain indifferent to the travails of the Church, for only She has the potential to turn the predatory neo-Judaic state into a peace-loving Christian one’

    That is a big brush man. Why does only The Church have this potential?

    The statement is also obviously a non-sensical statement, since neo-Judaic and Christian are meaningless words, i.e. they can mean anything: just ask GW Bush.

    But I am sure we are all peace loving.

    The problem is not religion, it never was, the problem is this: people love things and use people.

    You may ask: which people love things and use people? For starters, those who are rich enough to donate millions to rebuild the Notre Dame but never did anything to reduce global inequality, as that it is the way how they were able to make their millions and billions in the first place. That is what needs to be changed.

  27. blue wolf says:

    For anyone reading this: know that “Israel Shamir” is controlled opposition!! He feigns to denounce Israel, Zionism etc…But is actually the opposite. I wouldn’t trust any of his writings…This one above is even very confusing (on purpose of course) for readers who wouldn’t be quite aware of the situation.

    • Replies: @Saggy
    , @Polemos
  28. Wantoknow says:

    This kind of tail chasing needs to pass into oblivion. All the monotheisms are evil and should pass into history. But the problem is that they are all reflective of the evil that is humanity.

    The entire planetary population deserves a jailer who would send them all into solitary confinement. But then who would be the jailer and what would become of him when all the inmates die of boredom for lack of someone to criticize and condemn?

  29. @Anon

    What has really pushed tourism over the edge has been the rise of social media, especially of image-focused apps like Instagram and Snapchat. Because of the self-obsession they foster, the destination no longer is even necessarily the goal for a lot of these tacky creeps. The Eiffel Tower, the Leaning Tower of Pisa, Mt. Fuji, the Hollywood sign, etc are all simply frames in which to exhibit the eternal self for a global audience of fellow exhibitonists. No longer is the goal is visit and experience these places, but to be seen at them, to convert destination into a mere appendage of the self.

  30. swamped says:

    “A little advice: dismiss the alleged victims of last century’s clerical abuse. Send them home. I do not feel sorry for these late claimants. Why did they wait 20 years to complain? Children who are attacked scream and run home to parents and police. If they didn’t run and scream, it wasn’t an attack. Chalk it up to a clumsy pass by a pathetic amateur; an unpleasant, shameful experience to be sure, but one unlikely to be repeated with a firm rebuke. Blame yourself for sending mixed signals, and go on with your life”. ..absolutely despicable! Children who are attacked are CHILDREN!They may weep & sob in shame & fear, too terrorized to say anything. Their claims must be investigated & verified whenever they surface since such egregious crimes often go well beyond “an unwanted kiss or an undesired embrace.”
    “The laws should be reasonable…and 24 hours… to lodge a formal complaint”…would enable most such terrible crimes to go unpunished!The Catholic Church is FOREVER “stained by the foul deeds committed[by] Her servants. If a priest abuses a boy then the crime is his crime” AND “that of the Church” which let it happen & tried to cover it up! Likewise, if a soldier shoots an unarmed protestor, it is the fault of the soldier & the IDF!If the Huguenots had won four centuries ago, these terrible deeds wouldn’t have happened.This is a Catholic problem, not to be confused with a Christian one!

    • Replies: @Hibernian
    , @Robjil
  31. @A123

    Might be because one group is counted in Billions and the other in Millions

  32. Or as sometimes inicated in history, buildings catch fire,

    Sometimes those buildings, have social significance. Sometimed not. Whether God is the deliberate actor – in said events – is a tricky call.

    Ecclesiastes I think it is he said the rain falls on the just and the unjust.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  33. Excuse the double post– unintentional.

    The cathedral was under renovation and repair it would not be unlikely for there to be chemicals of a flammable nature in vicinity of the work. Anything is possible

    however is it likely that is another matter.

    Hardly a major sign of war against christians, not as significant as having to bake cake cakes for same sex ceremonies.

  34. j2 says:

    Thanks for the article. There is an attack on Christianity and it mainly targets the Catholic Church. This attack has been going on in certain circles for 400 years, but recently the attacks have got stronger. It is extremely likely that they derive from the usual source as most of these issues.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @Nonny
  35. @A123

    The ideology of Islam is not anti-Christian. The Ashtiname of Muhammad demonstrates that. That Muslims react to centuries of Western crusades in their lands through their principle of collective self defense – jihad (only difference with international law is that members of the Ummah being attacked do not need to ask for help), is only to be expected. And that they attack members of the electorate in democratic countries, whilst reprehensible like all violence, is logical – the population is political and potent.

    The Jewish ideology however is fascistic and violently anti-Christian, to its core. There is no question about this.

    So, with Muslims, you have either a reaction to Western violence that breeds hate, and/or misrepresentation of the faith which breeds hate.

    With Jews you have no reaction to Western violence – in fact you have Christian support, yet still hate, and an accurate and pious practice of their faith, that is hate.

    With the Muslims, errors within the understanding of ideology must be corrected. With the Jews, the ideology itself must be corrected.

    • Replies: @Druid
  36. Vojkan says:

    Notre-Dame is anyway an incongruity in a Paris riddled with free-masonic monuments, from the all-seeing eye represented by the Arch of La Défense to the unchained, torch of “illuminating” fire holding “Angel of Liberty” looking down on Paris from the top of the Bastille column.
    The effort to de-Christianise France hasn’t started yesterday and it isn’t a Jewish shtick at the origin. That effort has been in full throttle mode since the French Revolution and it is more a Lucifer disguised as Prometheus worshipping free-masons’ effort than a Jewish effort. Jews only used it to their own benefit.
    Though Jewish omnipresence in French media, entertainment, justice system, academia, less so in the political class, indeed has a very negative influence on French self-consciousness, national continuity and traditional French freedom of speech, the problem in France is much deeper. Remove the Jews and you’ll see the problem doesn’t go away.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
    , @yurivku
  37. I wonder what the coverage would have been if a prominent Christian cleric had glorified in the destruction of a prominent mosque – let alone synagogue? Shamir is always thought provoking and he’s right to highlight the Talmudic hostility to Christianity. However, he did not help his article by digressing into belittling the RC abuse cases. OK, Yes Yes, I agree they’ve been highlighted and exploited by the enemies of Christianity ( or rather Christian western heritage in general), but many abuse cases were real enough and he evidently has no understanding of the long term trauma they can inflict. The Church did not help itself by sweeping them under the carpet (-and maybe this in itself was done by those who’ve infiltrated the Church to destroy it from within? There is certainly a case to answer). Shamir could have pointed out the number of abuse cases by rabbis – where the crimes are not only swept under the carpet but those who complain silenced while anyone seeking to highlight them is labelled an ‘anti Semite’ – inevitably – as with any critics of Jews or Israel. Better still if Shamiyr ended his article with:

    ” On the deepest level the Church is the main adversary of evil in our world. The worldlings have formed a competing church of sorts, the church of darkness, and they will not suffer a competitor.

    Dominant as they are, they are not omnipotent. There is no magic in their incantations. They have no divine powers behind them. They are impostors. They exploit the old myths of mankind, forgetting that nothing works without God. As rebels against God, they will be defeated. As charlatans they will be dismantled. Their fall is imminent.”

    The non practising Christians among us may not agree, but his words are supremely eloquent and uplifting.

  38. Anon371 says:
    @wayfarer

    Agree wholeheartedly. Woke up today, Easter morning, with the news that 8 Catholic churches were attacked in Sri Lanka during Easter services, 160 killed.

    I suspect the anti-Catholic attacks will only intensify for some time, but the Church will never be defeated.

    I highly recommend a book titled “My Heart Will Triumph” by Mirjana Soldo.

    In the meantime strap in, it’s going to be a bit of a bumpy ride.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  39. Anonymous[902] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rational

    ‘It is good the French burnt the Talmud, but the Talmud is simply commentary on the Torah.

    The root evil is the Torah (Old Testament) and they should have burnt that instead. Eg.’

    No the Talmud is the written down version of the made up man made laws that Jesus condemned. It really is filled with hate speech (judaisms strange gods Michael Hoffman) and even the positive parts of the old testament that Chriatians might relate to are negated and twisted by the talmud and its scholars so much so that if you bring up a random portion of the old testament an orthodox Jew will not know what you are talking about.

  40. @Rational

    “Christian???”
    ————————————
    I care nothing for the judaicized “Christian” so-called churches.

  41. Blake says:
    @A123

    Fallen for the oldest trick in the book if you believe that was an actual Muslim saying that very illiterate nonsense. I bet the IP address leads back to the racist settler colony occupying Palestinian soil – or one of its sayanim in the west inciting hatred to divide east and west. Zionist machinations it is.

    • Agree: Moi
  42. Hibernian says:

    “With a brave and selfless spirit She could lead a Crusade of Peace and free it again.”

    Transform the Jewish State surrounded by Arab Muslims into a Christian State surrounded by Arab Muslims? Mr. Shamir, you’ve apparently taken advantage of newly legalized recreational marijuana!

  43. Anonymous[138] • Disclaimer says:

    We should act as human beings, not Bonobo chimps.

    If someone is erotically attracted by a young child and succumbs to these urges, then this means that this person is acting as a Bonobo chimp, not a human being.

    A human is first and foremost different from a chimp by reason and wisdom.

    If he has not enough reason to understand that a young child is not a proper object of sexual desire, then a human being is not so human after all.

    Siddhartha Gautama was born a human, but he transcended humanity and became the Awakened.

    Jacob and Muhammad were born human, but they left their reason rot and acted as their Bonobo chimp cousins…

    • Replies: @Moi
  44. @turtle

    Could not agree more! Thanks for the comment.

  45. Hibernian says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “Ecclesiastes I think it is he said the rain falls on the just and the unjust.”

    That is a warning to those who are at least trying to be just and succeeding to some extent that life is not fair. It is not a call for indifference.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  46. Hibernian says:
    @swamped

    Calvinists winning is not a panacea. It led to almost 350 years of oppression in the land of 5/8 of my forbears.

  47. anarchyst says:
    @Curmudgeon

    Tying Judaism to Christianity was a clever trick used by the jews to “cement” their claim to the “land of Israel” and of the covenant, to which I reply, “God is not a real estate agent”.
    Jews rejected the covenant when they murdered Jesus Christ. Their covenant with God was then “null and void”.
    It is the flawed Schofield translation of the Bible that elevated jews to the status of Christianity’s “elder brothers”, which was then reinforced by the Catholic (flawed) “Vatican II Ecumenical Council” in the 1960s.
    I cringe when I hear well-meaning people talk about out judeo-Christian heritage.
    Nothing could be further from the truth.
    The only common thread between Christianity and judaism is the Ten Commandments, nothing more.
    The god of judaism is a vengeful god, totally unlike the merciful and welcoming God of Christianity.
    Christianity welcomes ALL, regardless of nationality or social status, not true of judaism.
    Judaism is an insular belief system that shuns outsiders, prohibits proselytization, and promotes a form of supremacy, relegating all gentiles (non-jews) to the status of livestock-subhumans with souls, only to be used for the advancement and benefit of jews.
    Jews DID murder Jesus Christ. Sad to say, even the present-day (post-Vatican II ecumenical council) Catholic church has bought into absolving the jews for Jesus Christ’s murder. As always is the case, the jews got others, the Romans to do their dirty work for them, the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. How can Christians have the same values as the Jews; the very people who denounced and betrayed the founder of Christianity, Jesus Christ, and call for his execution (by others, of course, that is the Jewish way). It makes absolutely no sense at all. Jews have no respect for Christianity, for Jesus Christ or Mary, his mother, who are both honored as Prophets in Islam, but instead, Jews spit on hearing their names and do the same while passing a Christian of any kind or a Christian Church in Israel. They have no respect for Christians or any other religion.
    It is time the Jewish lobbies and the American Government leaders as well as the evangelical Christian leaders who mislead the poor American young into joining the military and believing that they are doing something for God and Christianity by fighting Israel’s wars were named, shamed and arrested and tried for treason.

    • Replies: @Alden
  48. anarchyst says:
    @j2

    The beginning of the end of traditional Catholicism was sealed with the infiltration of the Catholic Church Vatican II Ecumenical Council of the 1960s by Jews and Protestants who were involved in the “modernization” of the Catholic Church.
    Much Catholic ritual and doctrine was discarded or changed, in order to reflect the “age” that we live in, as well as the promotion of the absolution of the Jews for Jesus Christ’s crucifixion and death, despite vitriolic Jewish hatred of Jesus Christ and Christianity which exists to this day. The fact is, the Jews DID get the Romans to crucify Jesus Christ and DID accept full responsibility for the crucifixion and death of Jesus Christ. As is the case today, they got others (Pontius Pilate) to do their “dirty work” for them…
    Abandoning the use of Latin in the Mass destroyed its universality. Previous to Vatican II, one could attend Mass anywhere in the Roman Catholic world and understand the meaning of the Mass.
    Prohibition of the celebration of the Tridentine Mass (except by special ecclesiastical permission) pushed many Catholics away from the new Modern Mass and the New Church, in general. It took a brave Archbishop Lefebvre and the Society of St. Pius X to push back” against Vatican II and re-legitimize the celebration of the pre-Vatican II Tridentine Mass and other Catholic rites.
    In pre-Vatican II times, the priest (celebrant of the Mass) was considered to be a part of the congregation, and a representative of the people.
    By turning the priest around to face the congregation, the priest was no longer a representative, but an actor, diminishing his status and importance.
    One area where the Catholic Church could improve itself involves celibacy, which is NOT Church dogma or doctrine. Celibacy was put in place during the middle ages in order to keep Church property from being inherited by family and relatives of priests and bishops. Celibacy was based on purely financial considerations, nothing more. It is interesting to note that Episcopal (Anglican) priests who convert to Catholicism can bring their families with them to the Church while Roman Catholic priests are denied marriage.
    It was a grave mistake by the Church to de-legitimize pre-Vatican II principles.
    Fortunately, there are Catholic organizations that subscribe to pre-Vatican II principles, one being the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX).

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  49. Hibernian says:
    @anonymous

    And Napoleon so very graciously gave the Church a rent free leasehold on the church buildings. He couldn’t bring himself to return the stolen property.

  50. @Vojkan

    Free Masonism was always a Jewish project right from the start. Why do you think one of the first things the French revolutionaries (Masons) did was to extend citizenship and voting rights to the Jews? Why do you think our first president, George Washington (Mason), wrote the Jews of Rhode Island a personal letter, welcoming them to America and assuring them of full and equal citizenship? Why? Because the advancement of Ashkenazic Jewry was always the principle purpose of Masonism. Whether they knew it or not, the “lost temple of the East” that the Masons were said to be slowly ‘rebuilding’ (hence their name) was actually another temple in Jerusalem–Zionism!

    • Agree: Mulegino1
    • Replies: @j2
  51. Miggle says:
    @Brabantian

    e.g., the former Notre Dame chief architect saying the cause of the fire was almost certainly not an ‘accident’, given the extra fuel needed to ignite 800-year-old, rock-like, petrified wood

    Does wood, kept dry under a roof, really turn into stone in 800 years? Become non-combustible?

    I’d like to see a reference to a scientific paper reporting and explaining that strange phenomenon, the petrification of wood.

    And if it only means “extra fuel” needed: extra relative to what? Wasn’t there enough? How does he know?

    • Replies: @Miggle
  52. Annon4 says:

    Ironic, I think, given the references to the Talmud burning at Notre Dame, that the Archbishop of Paris from 1981-2005 was actually a Jew who converted to Catholicism and became a Roman Catholic priest (Jean-Marie Lustiger).

  53. Miggle says:
    @Miggle

    Okay, extra relative to the wood itself. It will burn in a fire, if there’s a fire, but can’t itself be set on fire. I guess that’s what’s meant.

    Still, the architect’s assertion seems a little strange to me.

    • Replies: @Alden
  54. Saggy says: • Website
    @Wally

    Germany did not start the war, the US, Britain & France did.

    Good catch. It’s a long story, and I have a long write up I’ll add to the codoh thread at some point, it’s in the form of a gmail post to McGraw Hill – who write ‘Hitler was ready to conquer Europe’ in their Traditions and Encounters high school history text. They have a procedure for submitting corrections but have not yet responded to my detailed rebuttal of that idiotic statement. Ahh, I’m trying to think of a short teaser and I have it ….. the book …
    ‘Left Wings Over Europe, or How to Start a War About Nothing’ by British man of letters Wyndham Lewis written in 1936

    As far as Great Britain is concerned, there is, in 1936, not a shadow of a reason for a war with anybody. It is because that there is no concrete reason that abstract reasons have had to be thought up and trotted out.

    Nationalism may be superseded by the issue between different forms of political structure, between parliamentarism, fascism, and Bolshevism. …. Parliamentarism and Bolshevism seem to feel a remarkable affinity for one another, if for no other reason than that they are both consumed with an equal hatred of fascism.

    No British statesman has ever desired a war with Germany. But they have apparently come to regard themselves as committed to a policy which is violently determined to rid Europe of Hitler. And they are well aware that that cannot be effected without the risk of another world-war. It is not so much ‘fascist dictatorship’ that excites them — for after all they left Mussolini in complete peace for a decade. Neither does Dictatorship , in itself, excite them so much as all that — even accompanied by a permanent Reign of Terror and the massacre of millions of people. For Soviet Russia has been left undisturbed. No, it can only be something about the internal regime of Adolf Hitler that excites in them this implacable mood.

    The Franco-Soviet pact has been ratified and it is highly probable that a Rumano-Soviet pact, on the lines of the military pact between the Soviet and Czechoslovakia, will be signed in the near future. The Austrian Government (which represents a fantastically small fraction of the people of Austria) seems to be moving towards an entente with the Little Entente. So the game of ‘encirclement’ goes on: and all these arrangements — carried on in every case over the heads and usually in contradiction to the wishes of the people — are made possible, and constantly stimulated by British and French gold. The remarks which I have quoted from the Morning Post mean, in plain language, that Great Britain is about to arm the Soviet against Germany. (Marshal Tukachevski stopped behind in England after the funeral of King George to go round the British armament factories to pick his tanks and guns.) There have constantly been rumours of a fifty million pounds British loan to France. That, too, in plain language, is Great Britain arming France against ‘the Hun’

    There is one country where the Englishman is certain of a warm welcome: there is one country whose government never ceases to proffer friendship, and to be accommodating and polite, and that is Germany. Year in and year out, like a love-sick supplicant, Herr Hitler pays his court to the haughty Britannia. Every insult that can be invented even by the resourceful Mr. Churchill is tamely swallowed, every rebuff of Mr. Baldwin’s, every sneer of Mr. Eden, is meekly accepted, by this pertinacious suitor!

    • Replies: @Wally
  55. Saggy says: • Website

    What an extraordinary article, and I didn’t even read most of it …. but I did click on the link …

    https://www.srugim.co.il/332395-%D7%94%D7%90%D7%9D-%D7%99%D7%A9-%D7%9C%D7%94%D7%A6%D7%98%D7%A2%D7%A8-%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%AA-%D7%94%D7%9B%D7%A0%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%94-%D7%91%D7%A0%D7%95%D7%98%D7%A8%D7%93%D7%90%D7%9D

    which links to the article by rabbi Aviner …. google translate will translate to English – this is medieval Judaism today … an incredible red pill for Judaism … I can’t believe it will be allowed to stand, so I copied the site ….

  56. Hibernian says:
    @anarchyst

    “Abandoning the use of Latin in the Mass destroyed its universality.”

    I’m old enough to remember it. The language wasn’t universal because nobody but the priests and maybe a few others such as my Dad (a former seminarian) could understand any of the Latin beyond a few basics such as “Dominus vobiscum,” “Et cum spiritu tuo,” etc. We understood (kinda, sorta) what was going on due to our instruction in Catholic school or CCD class and the availability of bilingual English/Latin missals.

    • Replies: @anarchyst
    , @ploni almoni
  57. Saggy says: • Website
    @blue wolf

    For anyone reading this: know that “Israel Shamir” is controlled opposition!!

    This reminds me of the line by B.B. King …

    Nobody loves me but my mother,
    And she could be jivin too

  58. Robjil says:
    @swamped

    The Catholic Church used to have a voice against war. It had Thomas Merton in the 1960s who was a great voice against war. A lot of the allegations of child abuse or sex abuse that come up decades later after the incidents may be planted memories to stop the Church from speaking up against war.

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/false-memory-syndrome-false-confessions-memories

    “Loftus’s involvement in the case spurred her to pioneer research into false memory. In the 80s and 90s, she’d become intrigued by an upsurge in allegations of sexual abuse. The idea of repressed-memory theory was gaining traction at the time in alternative practices such as hypnotherapy and psychotherapy. Patients were encouraged to embrace visualising techniques, hypnotism and their imaginations to access repressed memories, which were usually pinpointed as violent sexual and physical abuse during childhood. “You began to see hundreds of people coming forward, saying that they had recovered repressed memories of massive brutalisation that they’d been completely unaware of,” Loftus says. “I saw that something really big was going on here. It seemed that richly detailed whole memories were being planted into the minds of ordinary people [in therapy].”

    Thomas Merton’s strange death was most likely an assassination. A recent book by Hugh Turley and David Martin proves it most likely to be so. :

    https://off-guardian.org/2018/04/28/speaking-the-unspeakable-the-assassination-and-martyrdom-of-thomas-merton/

    “This is an extraordinary book in so many ways. First, because the authors prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Trappist monk and anti-war writer Thomas Merton was assassinated and did not die in a fabricated accident, as has been claimed for all these years.

    Second, because it is so meticulously researched, sourced, documented, and logically argued that it puts to shame and the lie to so many works, including academic ones, that purport to be profound but fall apart once carefully inspected, especially all those that have been written about Merton and his alleged accidental death.

    These false accounts of his death, obviously presented purposely by the key players – that he was electrocuted by a fan while wet from a shower – have been repeated ad nauseam over fifty years as if curiosity were reserved for cats and a writer’s job were to repeat commonplace absurdities. And of course the mainstream media, the prime organs of propaganda dissemination, have carried out their function by repeating these lies at every turn. ”

    Why was he assassinated? He was against the war machine that US/Israel were creating in the 1960s which has grown to the massive monster of the two terrorizing our entire planet with impunity. The Catholic Church today is silenced with endless massive planted memory allegations every time that the Catholic Church attempts to speak up against war. “Never Again speak up” against the warmongers of the US/Israel empire is the mantra of our times. Here is good overview of how and why he assassinated.

    “Thomas Merton (Fr. Lewis) was a Catholic monk, poet, writer and theologian who became very well-known in 1948 with the publication of his autobiography, The Seven Story Mountain, which became a bestseller.

    Over the next dozen or so years, he published many books on religious themes, mainly avoiding social or political subjects. But although he lived in a monastery, and eventually by himself in a hermitage nearby, he corresponded widely and was tuned in to worldly events. He became a friend and mentor to religious/political activists such as Martin Luther King, Fathers Philip and Daniel Berrigan, James Douglass, among many others. He was a friend of Dorothy Day of the Catholic Worker. He corresponded with Boris Pasternak and Ethel Kennedy; wrote about Albert Camus and Eugene Ionesco.

    During the 1960s his writing turned more overtly political while remaining rooted in a deep mystical and contemplative spirituality. He became a major inspiration for radical activists who opposed nuclear weapons, the Vietnam War, and the materialist way of life fostered by capitalism that relied on the spread of the American empire through world-wide violence.

    Although living far away from the din and drama of day-to-day politics, his writing, encouragement, and influence were profound, and he became a major impediment to the propaganda and policies of the military-industrial-political-intelligence complex. He was an inspiration whose spirit disturbed church and state in the most radical way. Turley and Martin say of him:

    Contrary to the common view, there is really no mystery about how Merton died. The best evidence indicates beyond any serious doubt that Merton was murdered. It’s a simple fact that the average person is far more likely to be murdered than to be killed by an electric fan, and Merton was no average person. The story that a fan killed Merton is so preposterous that a series of fantastic stories have had to be invented to make it believable….Who did it and why? The CIA had the motive and the means. 1968: It was a very dark year: MLK, RFK, and Thomas Merton – martyrs all.”

    • Replies: @Republic
  59. Mulegino1 says:

    Today’s Jews are ready to act as a collective in order to collect, but not to pay.

    Unfortunately, a plurality of contemporary Christians do just the opposite- out of a false equation of masochism and the acceptance of collective guilt which they confound with true Christianity. Such notions have been ingrained in them by the constant whine of the litigious Talmudic demon.

    Talmudism is the essence of the Jewish identity, and, as I have written several times, it is nothing more than the sacralization of ethnocentric psychopathy and Jewish collective self-worship. And Zionism is Talmudism in political and military action, even if most of the original Zionists were atheists. The Talmud is not about God but about circumventing Him.

    Most Christians appear to be under the totally erroneous impression that Judaism is about ethical monotheism, funny hats and shouts of “Mazel Tov!” It just such naivete and ignorance that is laying the foundations of their total servitude.

  60. @NoseytheDuke

    I worked as a background investigator for a government agency. My gut tells about 70% of the allegations of clergy sexual abuse are bogus. Another 20% inappropriate to very inappropriate behavior (grabbing buttocks) and about 10% legit. But of that 10% you largely have ephebophilia (adolescents) with homosexual clergy.

    I worked Boston as a investigator with badge & creds. and I’m personally knowledgeable about the scandal there. Most people think the scandal in Boston (portrayed in Spotlight) involved lots and lots of priests. A large part of the story involved just eight priests, including a priest (Hanlon) that was already in prison a decade before Spotlight and another (Geoghan) who was already defrocked before Spotlight, and yet another (Shanley) who had left the priesthood and was running a gay B & B with his boyfriend in California before Spotlight. Mind you, the Spotlight story focused on a handful of bad priests out of thousands who have served there.

    I think most of the clergy sex abuse scandal is about extracting large amounts of money which is in turn fueled by a relentless propaganda campaign against the Catholic Church in news, entertainment, politics, academia, et al. It is not a coincidence that Boston was chosen for this exposé as Boston was the heart of American Catholicism. It also not a coincidence that the guy who initiated this was Marty Baron, who started developing this story immediately after arriving from the Miami Herald.

    I’m not sure how the Catholic Church can survive this concerted effort to destroy it. It is like The anti-Trump or Trump-Russia propaganda times a million, over decades if not centuries. The opposition to the Catholic Church/Christianity has found an effective wrecking ball and they will use it until the Church is pulverized and banned.

    E. Michael Jones has a good take on it and agree with him:

    • Agree: anarchyst, Robjil
    • Replies: @Iris
    , @FB
    , @anon
    , @NoseytheDuke
  61. FB says: • Website

    Unfortunate religious fanaticism by Shamir…I guess pedophile priests never happened…?…a monstrous, decades long cult of homosexuality and child sexual abuse entrenched in the Catholic clergy is now just a figment of our imagination…?

  62. Iris says:
    @Anthony P.

    Agree button already used.

  63. FB says: • Website
    @Anthony P.

    I don’t buy your baloney…anybody can come on here and propoagate for a particular agenda…the child abuse in the Catholic church is about a lot more than Boston…it’s global…and it’s been going on for a very long time…homosexuality is very likely a very old and established tradition in the priesthood due to the prohibition against marriage…it’s not necessary and other major religions don’t have any such thing…including Protestant and Orthodox Christianity, Judaism or Islam…

  64. Wally says:
    @Saggy

    “Hitler will have no war, but he will be forced into it, not this year but later…” (The Jewish Emil Ludwig, Les Annales, June, 1934)

    Truth hurts those who benefit from lies.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @anon
  65. @Fran Macadam

    You said it all, Fran.

    Happy Easter to you , the authors Israel Shamir and Paul Bennett, and to all their readers.

  66. @Rational

    Sure, with the Christian bible saying that we must worship the Judaists as God’s chosen people, while they cut our throats, are cursed if we curse them, blessed if we bless them, it is going to solve our problem!

    What the Bible really says about Jews;

    You suffered from your own countrymen the very things they suffered from the Jews, who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and drove us out as well. They are displeasing to God and hostile to all men, hindering us from telling the Gentiles how they may be saved. As a result, they continue to heap up their sins to full capacity; the utmost wrath has come upon them

    1 Thessalonians 2:15

  67. anarchyst says:
    @Hibernian

    I beg to differ on the language of the Latin Mass not being “universal”. I maintain that it WAS universal, as one could go anywhere in the Roman Catholic world and hear the same Latin Mass. Of course, the Gospel and other aspects of the Mass would be in the vernacular, but the celebratory parts of the Mass WERE “universal”.
    Regards,

  68. fenestol says:
    @Fran Macadam

    Yes, and in an insane world, I fully expect that he will be prosecuted for the crime of sanity.

  69. anon[958] • Disclaimer says:
    @turtle

    STFU and butt out. It is none of your God-damned business.

    exactly

    jews are not of us, so why they feel entitled to judge us, our culture and our history at every opportunity?

    change is coming and jews aren’t going to like it

  70. anon[958] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    hey Wally, CODOH got a mention by Mike Enoch on The Right Stuff radio about a week ago

    would be great if you or someone from CODOH could be a guest on that show

    • Replies: @Wally
  71. Anon[276] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Imagine if every time someone complained about white people or America, he or she was shouted down as ‘anti-white’ or ‘anti-American’. If white people or America are beyond criticism and reproach, it would mean they are like gods and above human standards.

    The problem with the cult of ‘antisemitism’ is it deifies Jews as a god-people who are so holy, wise, and awesome that we must never criticize or denounce them even for bad behavior.
    If Jews are indeed human, we should be able to defy them. Only if Jews are gods should we deify them. But Jews are not gods.

    When people bleat about ‘antisemitism’, they are saying Jews are gods and any criticism of them is a form of blasphemy.

    According to scum like Pompeo, if Palestinians oppressed by Jews complain about Zionism, they are ‘anti-Semites’.

    This is a sick, sick nation. It’s especially sick because Jews call Trump a Nazi but Trump goes out of his way to suck up to Jews as gods who are beyond criticism. But Jews continue to call Trump a Nazi. But if Trump the Nazi is so cozy with Israel, doesn’t it mean Israel is a Nazi nation? But if you were to say so, you are an ‘anti-Semite’. But then, if Trump is Nazi and if Israelis like him, what does it mean? Never mind logic. The only rule that counts is Jews are gods and must be supplicated by all, even those deemed by Jews as ‘nazis’ who should be punched by blacks.

    The Jewish god-complex must end. If Jews can criticize and denounce whites and Christians(and Russians and Muslims), we should be able to do the same about Jews.

  72. anon[327] • Disclaimer says:
    @FB

    how does prohibition against marriage create homosexuals targeting young males from the outside?

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  73. anon[958] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anthony P.

    another problem is that 20-30 years ago, when most of this stuff was first being reported, most people unthinkingly believed anything put out by the (((MSM))) and now many of us try to see the (((underlying agendas)))

    i used to believe in the “separation of church and state” as the reason for most of the attacks on the church but looking back it now appears that most of what went on was a judeo war to discredit Christianity

    • Replies: @renfro
  74. Economic elites on the right prefer to divert Deplorable eyes from the economy, focusing attention on the social characteristics of the Yellow Vests: their heterosexual virility, their womb-productive fecundity, their whiteness, their Christian heritage. It’s like what economic elites on the Left do by encouraging a divisive ethnic triumphalism among the massive stew of often welfare-aided immigrant job chasers, brought to the USA to lower wages for 40 years in a country where rent has soared by 72% since the mid Nineties.

    Economic elites always de-emphasize the unifying fact that 80% of Frenchmen support the Yellow Vests in alignment with the 80 / 20 rich / poor divide in most of the West, not just in France. The Frenchies are just always out in front of the artistic / social trends. That’s what economic elites fear: 80% support for the economic-driven protests on behalf of the 80%-screwed population in a rigged economy.

    This is why you see attempts to emphasize the Jewish / Christian divide, even going back multi centuries to do it, bringing the Yellow Vests & the slain Gothic cathederal into it, when most internet commentary has actually entertained another theory: the possibility that the fire was set by radical Islamic terrorists.

    That does not mean that Muslims did it. Fires tend to leave less evidence. We’ll probably never know, even though people with expertise are claiming that the cathedral did have a sprinkler system, installed in 2010. And the type of old wood used to construct the cathedral’s roof ignites slowly and burns slowly, making it highly unlikely that the roof could burn down in an hour by happenstance. And what about the 3 guards on watch at all times?

    Just like the awful destruction of the West’s most beautiful Gothic masterpiece, the era of welfare-assisted, mass-scale, cheap-labor migration that serves the interests of the top 20% by holding wages down includes other fire-related internet theorizing, like the possibility that the awful fire that downed the Grenfel Towers in England was not accidental, coming so soon after the mass murder of children and parents by radical Islamic terrorists at a Manchester kids’ concert.

    With so many mass murders by radical Islamic terrorists in Europe and the USA, it is not just conspiracy-theory gossip, but plausible, that the Western world has descended back into the eye-for-an-eye mayhem culture that the Western Enlightenment and elected governance was supposed to guard against. The most important thing is not civilization, but cheap servants for the dual-earner parents in the top 20%, keeping two of the few household-supporting jobs with benefits under fewer roofs and halving the size of the middle class while low-wage, NannyCam-surveilled babysitters raise their kids for them.

    So, let’s keep talking about race, gender and religion.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Druid
  75. wayfarer says:
    @Anon371

    “Forgiveness,” is humanity’s toughest spiritual test.

    In a spiritual war, moral resolve tempers one’s soul, and noble actions echo through the Universe, for eternity

    Sometimes it’s hard to imagine, the courage and faith it takes, to “turn the other cheek.”

    But unless we learn to “forgive,” we’re never going to advance, spiritually.

    It appears as if humanity may now be about to take, a comprehensive spiritual test.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @lavoisier
  76. Wally says:
    @anon

    Hello, that’s good news to everyone who cherishes freedom, which is under assault by The Usual Enemies of Free Speech.

    I suggest they contact CODOH at: https://codoh.com/contact-us/

    Germar Rudolf is a great interview, or he can recommend another CODOH spokesperson.

    Cheers.

    “Only lies require censorship.”

  77. Anon[276] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    More Jewish War on Christianity to replace it with worship of Zion, globo-homo, and magic negro.

  78. Republic says:

    The destruction of the cathedral had been in the cards a long time. When the naked witches of Femen celebrated their black mass, abused the priests and flogged the venerable old bells in the Notre Dame towers, the French court immediately acquitted them of all charges and instead sentenced the guards who tried to stop the sacrilege.

    Contrast that to what happen to the Russian feminists Pussy Riot on February 21, 2011 at the Cathedral of Christ The Savior, in Moscow when their sacrilegious activities led to their arrest and imprisonment for hooliganism.

    Russian society still has a healthy immune system, unlike today’s France which once had a strong, virile immune system but today has been fatally compromised.

  79. @NoseytheDuke

    The church only acts through humans just like corporations do. It is always humans that are directly culpable. Institutions are indirectly culpable for what their people do. Cover-ups are done by humans not by institutions.

  80. Republic says:
    @Robjil

    The Catholic Church used to have a voice against war. It had Thomas Merton in the 1960s who was a great voice against war.

    Merton’s death by electrocution in Bangkok was highly suspicious.

  81. buzzwar says:
    @A123

    wrt your last sentence “I feel quite confident that any objective test will find a much higher HATE post count from Muslim names vs. Jewish ones.”.
    There are about 1.5 billion Muslims versus 15 millions Jews worldwide. no wonder that one will find a higher rate for muslims. but if you compare the number of hate posts versus the corresponding population you will end up with a higher percentage of jewish hate posts. In “hating the church” as in many other areas, the jews are always over-represented.

    • Replies: @homahr
  82. lavoisier says: • Website

    Wow!

    What an article!

    The author is right to question the motives of those who seek the destruction of the church and I have no doubt that he is right that Jewish malevolence has played a disproportionate role. I have been maintaining just this contention for some time.

    The foray into what constitutes pederasty and pedophilia was very far reaching and somewhat informative.

    I remain troubled by adults having sex, even if consensual, with minors (less than 15???). But the author does enlighten us as to what should really be considered rape.

    I can completely agree with his contention that many young teenage boys would have welcomed the sexual attentions of a much older woman. Does such behavior constitute rape?

    Many thanks for such an interesting and intellectually challenging article!!

  83. homahr says:
    @buzzwar

    True, and Muslims, you could say have a reason to ‘hate’ the west with the the non-stop wars against them for the past 60+ years. The West pretty much created a state for these jew-parasites and they still hate the west despite all the favors and money given to these filthy people.

  84. anon[958] • Disclaimer says:
    @Endgame Napoleon

    ..brought to the USA to lower wages for 40 years in a country where rent has soared by 72% since the mid-90’s…

    in my local city since mid nineties the cost to rent a 1 bedroom apt has increased from $305 to $900

    needless to say the wages haven’t tripled in that time period

    hopefully stupid Americans will wake up and realize that the main beneficiaries from all the fake refugees and illegal aliens are the millionaire apartment owners who’ve seen their incomes skyrocket and the billionaire business owners who refuse to pay Americans an honest wage

  85. anon[958] • Disclaimer says:
    @wayfarer

    the funny thing is unlike in the past i now forgive and forgive and forgive and what happens is that now i begin to have the moral high ground and eventually one day i’m not going to forgive any more

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  86. @Rational

    theyre no longer “the chosen” ..we are under the new covenant…the jews are under the old covenant…they denied christ and are already condemned for unbelief. john 3;17,18.theyre waiting for a messiah that already came and theyre not real bright

  87. Moi says:
    @Anonymous

    All I know is that the Siddhartha Gautama liked eating–which is why he is so fat.

    • Replies: @anon
  88. Alden says:
    @Hibernian

    Calvin was a Jewish homosexual. He was convicted of the act of sodomy at age 18. The basis of his Protestant sect was “ There is but one God, and that is the God of Israel”

    The basis, very essence of Christian belief is the Trinity and Jesus, not just the one God of Israel is also God.

    Therefore, Calvin and his followers were not Christians. My ancestors who landed in Massachusetts in 1620 were not Christians either. Nor were their fellow non Christians who arrived in 1630.

    All followers of Calvin and Knox are not Christians because they loudly proclaimed that Jesus was not God.

    Under great pressure from the British crown, the Wanna be Jew Scots Presbyterians finally, reluctantly agreed to accept that Jesus is God.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  89. @FB

    My priests get child support.
    No need for abstinence ob homosexuality.
    And I’m really very German and Catholic.

    It’s even part of the propaganda against the church.
    “Look the Priest, takes child support but pretends to be gay!”

    • Replies: @FB
  90. @Hibernian

    “That is a warning to those who are at least trying to be just and succeeding to some extent that life is not fair. It is not a call for indifference.”

    There is nothing reflecting indifference. There was a fire. That fire caused damage to a historical iconic building. Fires destroy buildings and sometimes damage iconic infrastructures. When they do, depending on the scope of the artifacts impact on various populations, the experience can be painful, even to the point of tragically traumatizing.

    When that occurs it it’s a deep reminded of the unjustness of events. I have no doubt that to the people of France, and Europeans, and those who are engrossed in the arts, architecture and European history, and Catholics this event is tragic to varying degrees. It is in my view an unfair blow. But as indicated in scripture

    ” . . . . rain falls . . . just and unjust.”

    Should it be discovered that the fire was deliberate sabotage, then I along with others would absolutely agree the matters pursuit. That would not change in the slightest my expressed view. Having experienced both random injustice and that perpetrated by people who should have known better. Your suggestion of indifference is not reflected in my response.

    What is a reflected is a withholding of judgement about the cause. The people of France have been around far longer than the US and I am sure they are more than capable of working their through this event as have so many more actual human tragic events with or without my neutrality or not.

    After 9/11 many people interpreted my neutrality as indifference. They were as wrong in that assessment as I suspect you are in yours concerning this event.

  91. Alden says:
    @anarchyst

    Schofield Bible is a Protestant Bible, not a Catholic Bible.

    The real heresy occurred in the 16th and 17th century with Luther, Calvin Knox, Fox and the rest of the wanna be jews discarding Catholicism for the obsessive reading, discussing and lunatic interpretation of the Jewish Old Testament. Which led to about 30,000 Protestant sects in the world today.

  92. My comment is to the “tit for tat” retribution suggestion of the Talmud for the top of an iconic building.

  93. wnc817 says:

    I’m pretty sure the Black Plague was their revenge for this incident. They know this, but won’t admit it. In fact, they will commit an unlimited number of atrocities using this as justification, denying responsibility for each thereafter.

  94. Polemos says:
    @blue wolf

    How do you know this for sure?

  95. @FB

    I didn’t ask you to buy it, I just stated my take on it. A unique one that comes from decades of investigative experience and personal knowledge in Boston. Take it for what it’s worth. I now own and run an investigation agency in Massachusetts.

    Just be very skeptical of what you read and hear, especially when there is an agenda involved.

  96. FB says: • Website
    @Fuerchtegott

    Again baloney of a slightly different kind…you are trying to put lipstick on a gay pig…

    I would reasonably guess that there is some fraction of heterosexual priests…but the evidence of a cult of homosexuality, and just plain logic dictates it’s not a majority…

    At the end of the day religion is bullshit anyway that has never done anything good for anybody…Shamir is just throwing red meat here to the UNZ mouthfoamers…

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Art
  97. wayfarer says:
    @anon

    Once we finally master the lessons of love, then we must master the lessons of wisdom – as so on.

    With the Universe now believed to have an observable diameter of 98 billion light-years, it seems an individual soul’s infinite journey, will always have some new higher ground to face.

    It’s going to be a long haul, so try to be patient, and pace yourself.

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  98. renfro says:
    @anon

    what went on was a judeo war to discredit Christianity

    Absolutely. Consider how Jews in the Jewish msm choose to showcase catholic priest:

    Jewish filmmaker delves into pedophile priest scandal – J.
    https://www.jweekly.com/…/jewish-filmmaker-delves-into-pedophile-priest-scandal/
    Oct 20, 2006 – As a journalist for CBS and CNN, Amy Berg produced numerous segments on pedophilia charges against California priests, and the failure of …

    BUT….never report on Jewish sex crime and pedophiles ..they talk about it among themselves but never let the public see that Jewish pedophiles outnumber the priest by far :…..no telling how many pedophiles there really are as children and their parent are prevented from going to the police in most cases.

    Sex Abuse Exists in all Jewish Movements | Jewish Federation of the …https://jewishlexington.org/shalom/features/sex-abuse-exists-in-all-jewish-movements

    Israel becoming a ‘refuge for pedophiles,’ warns advocate for child sex …https://www.haaretz.com › Israel News
    Mar 22, 2016 – Israel has become a safe haven for Jewish pedophiles from around the world, a leading advocate for child sexual abuse victims warned

    US: Paedophilia scandal among Orthodox Jews in Brooklyn – La Stampa
    http://www.lastampa.it/2011/12/14/vaticaninsider/us-paedophilia…jews-in…/pagina.html
    Dec 14, 2011 – They are all members of the large JewishOrthodox community in the … of the most important actions taken against paedophilia – was called “Kol …

    Child Sex Abuse Case Still Haunts – ABC News
    https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2555575&page=1
    “Pedophiles have a pattern with children to get their confidence and send their … Not a single Orthodox Jewish boy or their parents would talk to the police.
    .

    [MORE]

    Melbourne Jewish school sent pedophile teacher to Israel
    https://www.theaustralian.com.au › nation › nation
    Feb 3, 2015 – JEWISH leaders who knew a teacher had admitted fondling young boys did not stop him associating with children in Israel after paying for his …

    Rabbis’ absolute power: how sex abuse tore apart Australia’s …
    https://www.theguardian.com/…/rabbis-absolute-power-how-sex-abuse-tore-apart-aust…
    Feb 18, 2015 – He was a dominating figure in Melbourne’s Jewish world, … Police had discovered another paedophile active on the campus, a man whose

    More suspected pedophiles arrested in Haredi Orthodox neighborhood
    http://www.stljewishlight.com/…pedophiles…/article_9ec1d831-8239-501d-89c4-4e042411…
    Jan 10, 2012 – Israeli police arrested three men in a suspected pedophile ring that is alleged to have abused at least 70 children in a Haredi Orthodox

    Ultra-Orthodox Jews Shun Their Own for Reporting Child Sexual Abuse
    https://www.nytimes.com/…/ultra-orthodox-jews-shun-their-own-for-reporting-child-sex…
    May 9, 2012 – The first shock came when Mordechai Jungreis learned that his mentally disabled teenage son was being molested in a Jewish ritual …

    Bethesda synagogue grapples with presence of rabbi convicted of sex …https://www.washingtonpost.com/…/a6549984-1a0c-11e2-aa6f-3b636fecb829_story….
    Oct 26, 2012 – A liberal Jewish congregation is forced to re-examine its belief in … Is true forgiveness and redemption even possible in cases of pedophilia,

    Jewish welfare group knows it is sheltering a paedophile
    https://www.smh.com.au/…/jewish-welfare-group-knows-it-is-sheltering-a-paedophile-2…
    Apr 10, 2013 – A self-confessed paedophile who sexually abused several boys in Sydney is being harboured by a leading Los Angeles Jewish welfare group. … The man is central to the controversy surrounding Bondi’s Yeshiva community and some of Australia’s most senior rabbis. … In it, the man says …
    Alleged paedophile in bid to avoid trial – The Jewish Chronicle
    https://www.thejc.com/news/uk…/alleged-paedophile-in-bid-to-avoid-trial-1.51413
    Dec 6, 2013 – A suspected British paedophile who fled to Israel to avoid a trial may walk free if he succeeds in being deported to a third country, the JC has …

  99. wayfarer says:

    “Notre Dame Spire Collapse and It’s Symbolism.”

    “Notre Dame Cathedral Fire Conspiracy Theories.”

  100. Polemos says:
    @Giuseppe

    Is corporate guilt distinct from collective guilt? That is, can I hold Microsoft or Amazon or Monsanto guilty of fraud or malfeasance or only individuals employed by them?

    • Replies: @Giuseppe
    , @Dave Bowman
  101. Alden says:

    Happy Easter everyone.

    This non believer will post some historical authentic information about the Catholic Church vis a vis France tomorrow.

  102. Druid says:
    @Endgame Napoleon

    Endgame, you’re like a broken record blaming Muslims for everything

  103. Ron Unz says:
    @Alden

    Calvin was a Jewish homosexual. He was convicted of the act of sodomy at age 18.

    That’s an astonishing claim that I’ve never seen anywhere, though admittedly I’ve never studied the Reformation/Counter-Reformation.

    But given the centuries of ferocious hostility of the Catholics and even the Lutherans toward Calvin and his doctrines, wouldn’t it have been an absolute center-piece of all the anti-Calvinist propaganda, whether true or not. After all the Calvinists produced oceans of extremely nasty anti-Catholic propaganda, often focused upon the behaviors of priests and nuns.

    What are some of the more widespread and credible sources of that claim?

    • Replies: @Alden
  104. renfro says:

    In the US, Pamela Rogers was sentenced to years of jail-time for having sex with a boy as tall as you and me; he may have been only 13 at the time, but this happens to be the exact age my great-grandfather was married.

    I suggest you ask the mother of a 15 year old boy what she would do to the woman if she had sex with her 15 year old son.

    This is not the first time you have implied approval of some questionable sexual standards.
    Maybe you have a problem.

    • Agree: Iris
    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Iris
  105. Alden says:
    @FB

    There is one wonderful, wonderful wonderful thing the primarily Catholic then Protestants who call themselves Christian and last the mainstream Protestants mostly Lutherans do in this country.

    They provide a widespread accessible alternative K-12 school system to the horrendous public school system.

    At least putting your child in one of those schools keeps them safe from the black Orcs. And it gives them an excellent education by the time they are 18.

    In the north where the Catholics settled, there are catholic high schools. In the Protestant south there are even more Christian schools.

    FYI a private/religious school high school grad can just sleep through every college course except for STEM and medicine because they learned everything in high school.

    Some time ago during the Kavanaugh hearings there was a discussion of why so many catholic judges

    . I didn’t post my opinion is that it’s due to the fact that there’s an inexpensive grade school in most Catholic Churches. Even the parish schools in all black neighborhoods.

    70% of the hospitals in this country are catholic established a hundred or more years before government Medicare and medi cal money.

    Remember other than those in Virginia the earliest English settlers in America were members of dissident, treasonous religions, Puritans, Quakers fCatholics and Cromwells slave Irish slave Catholics

    So take the good and ignore the bad.

    Wouldn’t it be nice if Gates and Buffett donated all that money to the private religious school system? All our White children could attend black and brown Orc free schools and be free from bullying bearings and incoherent screeching.

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Zeroh Tollrants
  106. anon[993] • Disclaimer says:
    @Moi

    All I know is that the Siddhartha Gautama liked eating–which is why he is so fat.

    people who are fat have emotional problems

    also, the view from India on the Notre Dame incident from a Hindu woke to the Jew Problem:

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2019/04/16/nortre-dame-fire-macron-rothschild-and-the-attacks-on-catholic-france/

    am i the only one who finds it hilarious that there’s someone in India raving against the jews? lol

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  107. Alden says:
    @renfro

    Quite a few men have told me their first sex was with a friend of parent’s or neighbor. Those women were in their 30s 40s. The men enjoyed it.

  108. Iris says:
    @renfro

    This is not the first time you have implied approval of some questionable sexual standards.

    Thanks, I thought it was just me. This article is weird and creepy.

    • Agree: Zumbuddi, jacques sheete
  109. j2 says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    “Whether they knew it or not, the “lost temple of the East” that the Masons were said to be slowly ‘rebuilding’ (hence their name) was actually another temple in Jerusalem–Zionism!”

    From the beginning of 1700 the history of Freemasonry is known, apart of the more secret aspects, but there is uncertainty of the beginning a century earlier. Masonry transformed from practical masonry lodges to philosophic lodges starting from the end of the 16th century. The critical time is the 17th century. At that time we have Judah Leon Templo present the plans of the Temple of Solomon to Charles II of England. Charles II is a candidate for the widow’s son as his father Charles I was executed. The role and even reality of Stuart Freemasonry is disputed, but it is plausible that the plans of the temple of Solomon were taken to Freemasonry and they actually meant building a new temple in Jerusalem. Yet, I think Jewish control of Freemasonry should be placed to the 18th century, somewhat before the American revolutionary war where Rothschild was the banked of the Landgrave of Hesse, who rented soldiers to England in that war and made a fortune on wars. The union of revolutionaries and bankers making money with wars is a natural one.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  110. Christo says:

    “Paedophile Priests”

    Another statistical cover up as far as the Jew media goes. The listing of these crimes and the priests involved goes back to the 1950’s and many of these priest had already died by the 1970’s when it became “vogue” in the Media to harp on the old cases and the more recent ones. However what in NEVER noted is that in the time between when such crimes had records tracked by the Catholic Church(1950’s)and today, there have been 100’s of 1000’s of Catholic priests and other church “officers”, some put the number at over a million+ in that time- span(across the world). When you look at the number of offenders and add accused offenders , and even go beyond that multiples to account for unreported offenders wouldn’t amount to even 1% . The percentage of “Catholic Priest “paedophiles or whatever”, is less what is found in the general population as to such sex offenders. It is like the myth of the police killing blacks. Exploited by anti-Christians/anti-Papists/whatever in power for their own ends , to destroy White Christian society, the church being one of the foundations, law for the protection of white society being another.

    Would like to point to hard data for relevant demographic for these “child molestation” church offenders , their number , total priests , officials of the Church the time frame 1950 -2000 I looked at , but that was 10-15 years ago, Because I really wondered what the size of this issue really was. Sorry all can provide is what I mention above. The numbers are not hard to find . One place http://www.bishop-accountability.org/ a sub-site of http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/child-and-youth-protection/reports-and-research.cfm which IIRC is where I found much data for that side to reconstruct how prevalent this was.

  111. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @wayfarer

    It’s going to be a long haul, so try to be patient, and pace yourself.

    But I have to go peeeeee

  112. FB says: • Website
    @Alden

    That bullshit might sound convincing to someone who knows nothing about Christian schools…unfortunately, you picked a guy who had the misfortune to be born into a family of evangelical fanatics…and thus experienced the ‘superiority’ of the Christian school system firsthand…LOL

  113. Alden says:
    @Ron Unz

    Heildberg.net

    Just google John Calvin theologian homosexual. Or John Calvin homosexual It comes right up

    It was in 1527 that he was convicted of homosexual activity, not suspicion or or harassment, but sodomy the only homo activity that was a crime at the time. He had a regular trial with prosecutorial evidence that the judges believed and found to be true.

    I learned this decades ago in the Greene library Stanford

    Calvin’s proclamations that “ there is but one God and that is the God of Israel”. proves he was a Jew.

    Even the weirdest Christian sects acknowledge that Jesus is a God. The trinity 3 Gods in one and both the Jewish God the father and Jesus his son both God and man is the essence of Christianity.

    A man who proclaims that only the one God of Israel is God is not a Christian. When he ran his reign of terror in Geneva, Calvin made it a death penalty offense to celebrate Christian feasts such as Christmas Easter Pentecost etc

    Look at what Calvin proclaimed and did when he ruled the Geneva Calvinists. He wasn’t a Christian. He denied the essence of Christianity that Jesus is God.

    He was convicted, not just accused of homosexuality in a court of law.

    Was Calvin a Jew?

    Just google was John Calvin a Jew. Flickr.com and others come up. Their theory is very convincing.

    But just his proclamation about the only God is the Israelites God and outlawing Christian festivals is pretty convincing evidence he was a Jew and that his religion was:

    1 a way to split and destroy Christianity
    2 create a Jewish form of Christianity with its discarding of Jesus and the NT in favor of the OT and criminalizing Christian holidays

    As for the Protestant argument that the catholic festivals were nothing more that the old European pagan festivals, that’s very true.

    But the early Roman Catholic Church preserves the ancient religions of the White European people’s both in the festivals and church art which was very Green man and tree and nature worship.

    Except for the Church of England, most of the early Protestant churches sought to criminalize the observances of the Christian festivals. The calvinist Puritan lunatics even forbade eating a warm meal in December 25, cold leftovers only and they better be simple and not include a “catholic pagan idol” desert or treats

    Note the Jewish bolsheviks, like many of the early Protestant sects also criminalized the observance of Christmas. In fact, it was a death penalty offense to not show up for work on December 25 in the early Jewish Soviet Union although that law was never enforced.

    If you really investigate Knox, Calvin and the rest of the sects except for Henry’s Church of England it’s eway to see they were more Jewish than Christian.

    Luther went to Rome on the standard monk’s pilgrimage. A few years later he founded a new religion based on the Old Testament. He later turned viciously against the Jews as a group because they didn’t convert enmasse to his new religion?

    Why would he expect the Jews of Europe to convert to his religion when they hadn’t converted to Christianity in 1,500 years?

    Think about it. He was a great theologian, scholar and translator of Jewish Greek and Latin books. Rome had a big Jewish community. There was constant collaboration between the Jewish and catholic theologians.

    Calvin was convicted, not just suspected of homosexuality in a court of law in 1527. There’s a great deal of evidence he was a secret Jew from a secret Jew family. His religion and ideas about God was wanna be Jew and anti Christian.

    Just google John Calvin theologian homosexual and was John Calvin theologian a Jew. The articles come right up. No need to go to a great university library as I did.

    The secret Jew thing can’t be proved. The one God of the Jews thing is proven by Calvin’s proclamations. The Christian 3 God’s in one is just an adaption of North of Rome Celt Germanic pagan religion. But it is the basis of Christianity along with Jesus being one of the 3 Gods

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Ron Unz
  114. Druid says:
    @FB

    Agree. The celibacy in the Catholic Church was entirely monetary based. Priests who had children were interested in leaving them inheritances. The church wanted that money, so…..celibacy. Meanwhile, numerous popes,etc., had mistresses. Eventually the church became a refuge for homos with a ready supply of victims, thus creating a thousand year problem that now has a light shined on it!

    • Agree: FB
  115. Alden says:
    @Alden

    Whatever Calvin was, secret Jew plotting to split Christianity or founder of a pure form of Christianity and destroyer of papist pagan idols he wasn’t a Christian if he didn’t believe Jesus was God and he didn’t believe Jesus was God.

    The secret Jews plotting to destroy Christianity seems extreme to me. My idea is that they converted for various reasons but remembered they were Jews for a few generations.

    Bernard Malamud has a book about a 19th century Russian Jewish man who left the Jewish town and passed himself off as non Jewish for practical reasons. He was big and strong and knew he had mechanical ability. He didn’t want to be scorned as a blue collar worker. He disliked the religious observation especially the required studying Talmud as he was no scholar

    So he left, got jobs where his skills and strength were respected. He didn’t live happily ever after but he was happier in his new life than the old one.

    I think the crypto Jews were more like that character than they were a thousand year plot.

    But whatever he was, Calvin’s new religion wasn’t Christian as it denied the essence of Christianity, the trinity and that Jesus was God.

    I knew I shouldn’t have read Shamir’s article.

    • Replies: @Grace Poole
  116. Unfortunately, the Church is one of the enemies of the West. I can’t think of any major branch of Christianity that stands up for its flock against Jews and other non-Christians, immigration, empire, or really anything else. Christians in the West didn’t abandon the Church. The Church abandoned western Christians. How do you put that Genie back into the bottle?

    • Agree: Rurik, Alden
  117. @Alden

    why is the trinity so important to christianity, to the point that you claim it defines the essence of christianity?

    • Replies: @Alden
  118. anarchyst says:
    @FB

    Your premise is wrong. I agree that celibacy for Catholic priests should be optional as it is not doctrinal in nature…
    Here goes…
    The rate of incidence for sex crimes is about 1 %.
    That is Far less than that of Protestants, J EW Rabbis, Boy Scout troopmasters or certainly Public School administrators. The leader in sex crimes against children is usually inter family related ie Step Fathers, Friends, uncles etc.
    JEWs made a crisis, than brought suit against the centralized Catholic Church and in so doing, forever tarnished the clergy who was their archnemesis.

    Free Republic

    Pedophilia Only a Catholic Sin?
    August 14th, 2009 | Kevin Roeten

    Pedophilia Only a Catholic Sin?

    [MORE]

    It turns out pedophilia is an incorrect term, and Catholics aren’t responsible for most of it.

    Shockingly, AP breaks out of their typical liberal mold and reports Insurance companies shed light on extent of sex abuse in Protestant churches, that sexual abuse of minors has been rampant. But in their statement, they indirectly say members of the Catholic Church are not the majority abusers.

    AP discusses the raw numbers from three companies that insure the majority of protestant churches in America (Church Mutual, Guide One, and Brotherhood Mutual), and typically receive 260 reports/yr of people under 18 being sexually abused. Compare that with ~228 credible accusations/yr against Catholic clerics since 1950 (documented abuse records).

    Together with that information, it is known that the Catholic Church greatly outnumbers any specific Protestant denomination, and the data for Protestant churches is available only for the last seven years. Ever since the first sexual abuse cases had been reported, Catholics have had requirements: 1) police background check done on all volunteers,including priests, 2) a second person be present at all religious functions, and 3) all personnel involved with minors must take routine checks with Protecting God’s Children.

    Without a doubt, sexual abuse of a minor is one of the most despicable crimes and sins that man can perpetrate. But predators seem to thrive in an atmosphere where the base congregation is one of the most trusted organizations that exist.

    Philip Jenkins, in his 1996 book Pedophiles and Priests, [[link edited for length]], looked at the problem objectively and dispassionately. Jenkins (who is not Catholic) found that true pedophilia is extremely rare, and perhaps more common among Protestant clergy, and is even more common among married laymen.

    He found that in most sexual abuse cases (under the age of consent), the behavior is actually a variety of homosexuality. This sexual attraction with very young men that combine the charm of boyishness with sexual maturity is actually called ephebophilia. Pedophilia is really a psychiatric term meaning sexual interest in children below the age of puberty.

    The worst sex crimes against children is in the Jewish communities and protestant churches.
    Tomasi was not reserved with criticism either and citing data published by the daily Christian Science Monitor, which was founded a hundred years ago by the Christian Science Church, said that the Catholic Church cleaned its house, Jutarnji List writes.
    According to their figures the majority of the US child abuse cases happens in the Protestant churches and Jewish communities, says Tomasi.

    MORE PROTESTANT MINISTERS GUILTY OF PEDOPHILIA THAN CATHOLIC PRIESTS, NEW RESEARCH REVEALS

    A Penn State historian, Philip Jenkins, has done an in depth research of pedophilia and sexual abuse among the clergy and has come up with some rather eye opening facts. It seems that while 1.7 percent of Catholic clergy have been guilty of pedophilia (or sexual abuse particularly of boys), a whopping TEN percent of Protestant ministers have been found guilty of pedophilia!

    This is all the more interesting, notes Jenkins, since there has been NO media term Pastor Pedophilia coined at all!

    Jenkins theorizes that the media, proving the point of the necessity of sexual promiscuity, overemphasizes any instance of pedophilia found among the Catholic clergy since it can use this to criticize the entire idea of celibacy. But it is interesting that the NON Celibate Protestant ministers have a MUCH GREATER problem with it than the celibate Catholic priests!

    Protestant pastor pedophilia is not within the frame of our social constructionists as Jenkins calls the media:

    In the 1980s, [Pastor] Leyva had abused perhaps one hundred boys in several Southern states, but few of us ever learned of it. Leyva had the distinction of being a Pentecostal minister and was, therefore, not within the frame of those who were busy constructing reality. The same is true of the three brothers, all Baptist ministers, who were charged with child molestation in the 1990s; the public learned little about this highly unusual series of cases because it was not deemed worthy of dissemination by those fixated on Catholic scandals. [1]

  119. chris m says:
    @Rational

    not an expert on these matters, but i’ll take your word for it.

  120. anarchyst says:

    As much as homosexuals vehemently deny it, homosexuality and pedophilia are inextricably linked. Almost all homosexuals have had their first homosexual “experience” introduced to them by an ADULT homosexual as pre-teen males. This, in itself constitutes homosexual pedophilia, which is criminal behavior in itself and is a way to destroy a pre-teen child for life.
    The so-called Roman Catholic priest “child abuse scandal” was actually homosexual pedophilia in action. Of course the “mainstream media” could not afford to offend the “homosexual community” by calling what it really was–thereby, the “play on words”, calling it “child sex abuse” rather than homosexual pedophilia–the true definition of their sordid behavior.
    I must play “devil’s advocate” when it comes to the Catholic church homosexual pedophilic priest “problem”…The Catholic church was “caught between a rock and a hard place” and had every right to be concerned about how many false claims would be made by those parishioners who belonged to the parish at the same time as this behavior was going on. Follow the money… Of course, there is (and was) absolutely NO EXCUSE for this homosexual pedophilic behavior…
    Sad to say, the homosexuals are at it again, encouraging the “psychiatric community” to change the definition of pedophilia from a psychiatric “disorder” to a mere “lifestyle”, not unlike what was done for homosexuality. Sick, huh??

    • Replies: @freedom-cat
  121. renfro says:
    @Alden

    If the mother of one of my friends had come on to me I would have run like hell away from her.
    I think some boys (because of their parents) lack moral upbringing and sense.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @OilcanFloyd
  122. Ron Unz says:
    @Alden

    Heildberg.net

    Just google John Calvin theologian homosexual. Or John Calvin homosexual It comes right up

    Well, I Googled the phrase you suggested, and the very first source that came up was exactly the one you’d mentioned:

    https://heidelblog.net/2012/11/was-calvin-a-homosexual-convict/

    Although I’ve never heard of the website, the writer seems a pretty cautious and knowledgeable individual.

    However, his conclusions are exactly the opposite of the ones you claim. He seems to think that the accusation that Calvin was a homosexual is just a gossipy rumor promoted by his religious enemies, having no basis in evidence and now recently revived by the Internet. He writes:

    That old, centuries discredited myths are apparently gaining new life illustrates one of the dangers of learning via the internet.

    The republication, on the internet, of these old, scurrilous, long-discredited, stories about Calvin the Reformers presents an opportunity to learn again the value of developing one’s critical faculties and historical acumen. The irony is that, with the rise of the internet, the need for the critical reading of texts has never been greater and the need comes when, perhaps, our ability to exercise such faculties has never been so diminished.

    I think his statements are an excellent summary of all the rumors and unsubstantiated accusations floating around on the Internet.

    As for Calvin being Jewish, the “evidence” seems even thinner, basically some guy on Flickr ranting about Calvin was a crypto-Jew who sought to destroy the Catholic Church. While that can’t be ruled out, there seems zero evidence of it, and I don’t see any indication that any of Calvin’s ferociously hostile contemporaries raised the possibility. If they never thought so, how would people centuries later find out?

    • Replies: @FB
    , @Sergey Krieger
    , @Alden
  123. Alden says:
    @Grace Poole

    If you proclaim that “ there is but one God and that is the God of Israel” you are not a Christian because you deny that Jesus is God.

    Never baptized so I’m not a Christian. If you claim to be a Christian just ask your clergy critter or google about Jesus and the trinity and Christianity.

    But judging by his own words and the way he ran his religion in Geneva, Calvin in Geneva, Calvin was not a Christian and anti all forms of Christianity.

    I should have gone to universal studios with the rest of the clan today. Knew I shouldn’t have read Israel Shamir.

    • Replies: @Grace Poole
    , @David Parker
  124. @Alden

    I bet they wouldn’t have enjoyed it so much if they got the woman pregnant, though, and she decided to keep the baby.

    • Replies: @Alden
  125. Art says:
    @FB

    At the end of the day religion is bullshit anyway that has never done anything good for anybody

    An absolute fact. The Catholic Church has done more beneficial activities than any other institution in human history. Its grade schools, universities, hospitals, charities, beautiful art and churches – have improved and uplifted human life.

    Why and how is a mystery – but the Church has stayed true to Jesus and his idealism more than any other Christian sect. The backbone of the Church is the parish priest and the mass – not the bishops and the mucky mucks who go off the deep end into mysticism that no one really gets. The weakly eternal unchanging ceremony of the mass, experienced together with all walks of life, in a beautiful church surround by stories of Jesus’ life – simply uplifts the human spirit.

    The Church has a gay problem because of the way it recruits priests. It looks for vocations starting in the seventh and eighth grades – just when boys are seriously finding their sexuality. Boys are thinking about girls and not about NO sex for the rest of their lives. But not all boys. Eighth grade gay boys find the priesthood an easy and safe out that makes them celebrities in their Catholic culture. Some of these gay boys are very aggressive, it is ingrained in them – they can not turn off that aggressiveness in adult life – thus the problem.

    Think Peace — Do No harm — Art

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
    , @Iris
    , @Anon
    , @Alden
  126. @anarchyst

    What about Priests with young girls? Priests have been fornicating since the Church’s inception with females.

    It wasn’t until the same-sex scandals started with the Priests, that it caught the attention of the public.

  127. FB says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    I’m out of LOLs…

    Ron Unz discovers his readership’s grasp on reality…

    • LOL: The Scalpel
  128. Miggle says:
    @Hibernian

    Please explain. Oppression of who? What land? Why? Are you sure?

    Historically there has been immense propaganda on this subject from a particular source. Amazingly, there still is when the opportunity arises. Where did you learn about it?

    1550 + 350 = 1900

    • Replies: @Miggle
    , @Miggle
  129. @Anon

    Israel Shmir is deranged.
    The Catholic Church is pro Palestinian, hilarious. Just ask any Eastern European catholic-christian country how they feel about Islam and the Muslims. Do you think any Palestinians or Syrians can get visas to Poland?
    It is amazing that anyone prints his work, blatantly a liar a propagandist so outrageous he is not considered dangerous because his writing are so fraught with hysteria of Jew hatred that they loose all context. The guy is sick in the head.

    • Troll: renfro
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Polemos
    , @anon
  130. “Another statistical cover up as far as the Jew media goes. The listing of these crimes and the priests involved goes back to the 1950’s and many of these priest had already died by the 1970’s when it became “vogue” in the Media to harp on the old cases and the more recent ones.”

    From a building fire to child abuse. Laughing.

    The issue of child abuse is tragic. Made all the more so when it occurs between clergy and members. However, the percentage of clergy involved in this behavior is less than 5% among the entire catholic faith. And it becomes abundantly clear that when looking into the matter most of the time the Catholic organization takes the matter very seriously as is detailed in the volumes of documentation in such cases.

    The idea that any organization is going to open the doors on their dirty laundry is simply unreasoned, nonsense. No organization readily does that. People don’t do do that — ok, those on talk shows are the exception. But certainly no organization tasked with aiding people in some of the worst aspects of their lives makes it a point to broadcast the matter.

    And those such as churches would even be less inclined for very good reason. The Church has made mistakes in handling these issues. But as someone stated previously, what started out in Boston was poorly reported and investigated . And what had been a few cases became standard for the worst kind of witch hunting against Catholics. And the enemies of both Catholics and the christians made fine use of it to batter down sound moral practices.

    • LOL: FB
    • Replies: @Alden
  131. Logan says:

    <IJacob, the Biblical patriarch, surpassed him and married Rachel who was only 7.

    Have absolutely no idea where you got this idea. Jacob worked seven years for Laban to earn the right to marry Rachel, who he fell in love with when he met her watering her father’s flocks. Drawing water up from a well was hard physical work, so it seems likely she was already physically adult, perhaps 12 or 13 at least. Meaning she would have been in her late teens or early 20s when she married Jacob.

    • Replies: @Kilford
  132. Alden says:
    @Miggle

    Newly cut wood cells are full of moist air. Newly cut wood has to be dried out either in a sort of oven or sit in a lumberyard for a few years before it’s used.

    Wood gets more and more solid as it gets older and it really does get harder to set on fire as it gets older.

    For instance, the table the bomb intended to kill Hitler in 1944 was set under wasn’t harmed at all, just the people around it.

    Hitler wasn’t injured at all because a solid couple hundred year old wide thick table leg was between him and the bomb. Some of the furniture in the room was destroyed, but not that solid old table

    Those timbers were thoroughly coated with tar though, to protect them from rain during the building and termites later on. And tar, even 800 year old tar is very flammable.

    However it happened, well never know the truth if it was arson.

  133. Agent76 says:

    “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams

    *Religious Freedom is our First Freedom*

    The First Amendment

    The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition. It forbids Congress from both promoting one religion over others and also restricting an individual’s religious practices. It guarantees freedom of expression by prohibiting Congress from restricting the press or the rights of individuals to speak freely. It also guarantees the right of citizens to assemble peaceably and to petition their government.

    Amendment I – Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/first_amendment

    The Resurrection Painting

    Artist Ron DiCianni who is known for his murals of Christianity discusses The Resurrection Painting which he was recently commissioned to paint. Painting The Resurrection took Ron two years to complete due to the murals size and level of detail.

    Dec 1, 2018 Catholicism & Christianity – The Shocking Difference

    Ray Comfort explains the very important difference between biblical Christianity and Catholicism.

  134. Miggle says:
    @Miggle

    Oh, I see. Ireland. But was that Calvin, his fault? Or was it British colonialism? And was adherence to a different form of Christianity that waged a 30-year war against Calvinists on the Continent all for/about religion in Ireland, or simply resistance against the conqueror? What do the Northerners think?

    A certain young Frenchwoman named Mary, later Queen of Scots, had enjoyable, constant entertainment in Paris watching Calvinists being publicly burnt to ashes.

    What was the punishment meted out to Irish who refused to convert to Calvinism? Ashes? Bone-saws? Beheading? Prison? Fines? Shouting? Bad employment or none?

    Please explain.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Hibernian
  135. anon[993] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    It is amazing that anyone prints his work, blatantly a liar a propagandist so outrageous he is not considered dangerous because his writing are so fraught with hysteria of Jew hatred that they loose all context. The guy is sick in the head.

    good girl

    the shekels are on the way

  136. Corrections:

    People don’t do that — ok, those on talk shows are the exception.

    And the enemies of both Catholics and the christians made fine use of it to batter down sound social practices.

    • Replies: @Anon
  137. Druid says:
    @TKK

    Zoo Hasbara alert, again!!!!

  138. Alden says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    One thing I remembered before the Boy Scouts succumbed to being banned from using public parks and facilities and some Protestant church facilities and allowed homosexual leaders were the endless editorials thundering against the horrible discrimination and bigotry against homosexuals.

    Homosexuals are upstanding virtuous moral people who would never, ever think of molesting the boys in their charge, even sleeping in the same tent proclaimed those editorials.

    And on the opposite page would be an editorial thundering against homosexual catholic priests.

    There are already advertisements on TV by underemployed attorneys inviting scouts who were mileage by gay scout leaders to call the 800 number, operators standing by!! Or email a complaint to sue the Boy Scouts for homosexual molestation. The ad claims the attorneys have records going back to 1905 about homosexual leaders molesting the boys.

    It’s amazing, the liberals have always supported NAMBLA man boy love association and worship homosexuals the way the worship MLK but they denounce homosexual priests who practiced man boy ickiness.

    There’s a lot of liberal propaganda that the ages of consent should be lowered. It would be gradual, from 16 or 18 to 14 then 12, then 10. It’s been around a long time. I’m old enough to remember before the feminazis got on their crusade against rape and child molestation.

    Right before that there was a lot of liberal propaganda that molestation didn’t hurt children. But what did hurt children was the adverse reaction of parents and police and that children were naturally sexual and that there was nothing wrong with it. There was a lot of that around in the late sixties sex revolution.

    But a few years later mid 70s the feminazis got a lot of government grants publicity and jobs going after child molestation and rape. So child molestation except for homosexuals became taboo.

    But who reads newspapers?

  139. Alden says:
    @renfro

    Well, these guys didn’t. I gathered the women didn’t just suddenly jump them but the boys were attracted for a long time and then it happpened.

  140. mcohen says:

    The apologists for the behaviour of the RCC and its members is disgusting.The organizations abuse of power has prevented any meaningful accounting for centuries.

    Well pilgrims.Those days are over

    The case of Malka liefer in australia is another example of so called relegious leaders who would have us believe that the woman is unfit to stand trial in australia for crimes committed in australia.

    Well there is more than one way to skin a rat.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adass_Israel_School_sex_abuse_scandal&ved=2ahUKEwjy-vPUpuLhAhVSSX0KHVrxBJkQFjAHegQIBhAB&usg=AOvVaw3fJQ42dHA0nPJb9ozz6TVx

    • Replies: @anon
  141. Alden says:
    @freedom-cat

    The advantage of adulterous sex with a married woman is that legally the child is the husbands and the husband and woman both assume the child is the husbands

    Plus there’s something known as birth control. These encounters occurred in the 60s after use of the 99% reliable pill became widespread. Before the pill condoms, diaphragms and the rhythm method were widely used. There’s only about 5 days of the month a woman can get pregnant. Easy to avoid adultery that week. Plus friends of teen age boys parents would have been 30s 40s. Married woman old enough to be homeowners would have been old enough to use birth control.

    I didn’t have sex with a married person as a teen. Just a few guys mentioned it to me.

  142. Zumbuddi says:
    @Art

    Mayo Clinic was started by Catholic (Franciscan) nuns.

    I didn’t know that.

    Very cool.

  143. anon[993] • Disclaimer says:
    @mcohen

    >mcohen

    The apologists for the behaviour of the RCC and its members is disgusting.The organizations abuse of power has prevented any meaningful accounting for centuries.

    probably you should clean up your own house before you go around judging others, cohen

  144. @anon

    Lol You are funny. It is not Nortre, it is Notre. Our Lady not Northern lady.
    Pretty wild imagination!

  145. Iris says:
    @Art

    The Catholic Church has done more beneficial activities than any other institution in human history

    It is a fact. The Catholic Church has a worldwide network of charities second only to the United Nations’.

    • LOL: FB
    • Replies: @anon
    , @renfro
  146. Alfred says:

    the government of Holland

    François Gérard Georges Nicolas Hollande

  147. Alden says:
    @Miggle

    fsct remains, Calvinists are not Christians because he proclaimed that only the god of Israel is god, the calvinists didn’t believe Jesus was god which is the essence of Christianity.

    Calvinist Oliver Cromwell massacred about 200k indigenous Irish Catholics and enslaved about another 250k. About a fourth of the entire population of Ireland Catholics were banned from all occupations but lawyer and unskilled labor for hundreds of years. Millions were starved to death in just one famine. Food was actually exported to England, under military guard during the famine. Food sent from America Europe and Australia was forbidden to land in Ireland but forced to land in English ports. The grain and other food was supposed to be unloaded and then loaded into English ships, but it never was.

    Very similar to what the Japanese do to American autos when they land in Japan. Each car is throughly, minutely inspected by master mechanics. Just a few for several hundred cars on the ship. It takes about a year to inspect a shipload. I’m not Irish at all. But what the English did to the Irish was genocide during the most famous famine which was not the only one.

    Then there was the no more than 4 pigs, 1 cow, only one very cheap horse, either an attorney or unskilled day labor. Ever heard of hedge teachers? It was illegal to teach Catholics any kind of education so an entire hidden school system developed. Ireland was England’s first and worst treated colony.

    Whatever; the fact remains that the calvinists and American pilgrims were not Christian as they did not believe that Jesus was god, only the god of israel.

    Believe Jesus is god? You’re a Christian. Believe Jesus is not god? You’re not a Christian. Believe the only god is the god of Israel? You’re not a Christian.

    And your hero Calvin was convicted in 1527 at age 18 in a court of law ; enough evidence to convince the judges of homosexual activities just google it or go to the religion section of any university library.

    Calvin burnt dissenters in Geneva. The first Amish in America were the followers of a man named Amos, hence Amish who would have all been killed by Calvin because they too were Old Testament wanna be Jew lunatics who disagreed with Calvin’s lunatic OT wanna be Jew lunacy.

    • Replies: @Polemos
    , @Anon
  148. @Ron Unz

    It is similar to revived claims that Lenin was either paid by Jewish bankers or was German agent of influence. Everything that was proven to be lies long time ago got a new life in our times.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @anon
  149. Anon[276] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Does it really matter? Notre Dame and most Churches in the West are empty shells. No matter beautiful conch or abalone shells are, they are dead without the living flesh inside. We may collect them on the beach as pretty objects, but they are dead organisms. European Churches are dead shells. The soul is gone from them. France has ‘gay marriage’. So do most European nations. ‘Gay’ Flags are stuck inside churches as victory banners of Globo-Homo as Queertianity.
    And the body is dying. London is over 50% of non-British whites. By some estimates, more than 50% of all new births in Paris are Africans or Muslims. Europe is dead in soul and withering/dying in body. There is no pride, no reverence, no sense of roots, no sense of continuity. And Jews have taken over the shells like hermit crabs and re-coded the National DNA. Jewish globalists say Vikings were black. Jewish Globalists say Britain was always a Nation of Immigrants. France as white nation? That was just fiction. Ancient Greece was white? Medieval Culture was European? European was white? No way. They were always about blacks, Arabs, and Jews… so say the Jewish Globalists and their cuck-agents, white and yellow.

    Mass tourism degrades nations. In the past, only the privileged traveled. Nations were not inundated with millions and millions of foreigners who always mob national sites and treasures. There were seekers, but they were sincerely interested in visiting the places of their fascination or obsession. An art lover had reasons to visit Paris with its galleries. A Catholic wanted to visit Notre Dame or Vatican for spiritual reasons. Their sojourns had meaning. It wasn’t just for amusement. Now, drunken British blokes romp around different parts of the world to just party. And masses of tourists come to McEurope to just sight-see and have a Good Time. They have no real interest in the culture and history. It’s just something to do because others do it and brag about it. Just some place to visit on a honeymoon or budget group tour.

    Muslims go to Mecca, but it’s not tourism. It is a pilgrimage. It’s the Hajj. It has meaning and purpose. Islam is a living faith and culture. And Muslims are still alive in body despite wars and famines resulting from Wars for Israel. They are alive in soul.
    Apart from the West, the other part of the world that is dead in body and soul is East Asia that is most adept at imitating not only the best but the worst tendencies of the West. East Asia is better at making plastic products than organic souls. The way Japan is going, it will be replaced by robots, cartoon characters, Filipinos, Nepalese, and Africans. And Singapore will eventually be majority Hindu and Muslim(without infusion of New Chinese from the Mainland, which is also plummeting fast in population, especially among those with higher IQ).

    European Churches stand empty. Almost no one shows up for services. This is true in Britain, France, Spain, and London. Ireland now worships globo-homomania and Afro-mania more than the Catholic Faith. It prefers black culture over Irish roots and history. It’s all very tragic and sad. The luck of the Irish is now about having some homo Hindu as leader. It is even prouder that they democratically voted for ‘gay marriage’ that implies a homo’s anus is just as much a sex organ as a woman’s vagina.

    When people look back on the fall of the modern world, they will wonder how and why it happened. And the reasons will be(not in any particular order):

    1. Feminism that destroyed jobs and respect for men.

    2. Low birthrates due to feminism.

    3. Cult of Diversity and Mass-Immigration-invasion.

    4. Jewish take-over of elite institutions and re-coding of National Formula into minority-elite-supremacism and favoring the Other over the Our.

    5. The siren song and dong of the Negro that spread Jungle Fever among white women and cuckery among white men. People who welcome Negroes in large numbers will turn their cities into Detroits.

    6. Youth Culture that infantilized the population to the point where even educated people get tattoos and piercings. And green or purple hair.

    7. Dominance of finance that distorted and warped real economies and industries.

    8. The New Elitism whereby elites of every nation despised their own folk and formed a global Elysium Club of privilege and decadence.

    9. Globo-Homo degeneracy that degraded truth, morality, decency, and sanity.

    10. The Cult of Novelty that made people obsess over the new thrill over a culture of continuity and memory.

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  150. anon[993] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iris

    The Catholic Church has done more beneficial activities than any other institution in human history

    It is a fact. The Catholic Church has a worldwide network of charities second only to the United Nations’

    .

    are they responsible for third world populations spiraling out of control?

    beneficial, lol

    • Replies: @Alden
  151. Seraphim says:
    @Anon

    You celebrate it by wanking, as usual. Some perverts are sexually aroused by fire!

    • Replies: @Anon
  152. Polemos says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Let loose an old moose to catch the grey goose
    But choose not to use this rhyming ruse, you lose.

  153. Anon[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rational

    The root evil is the Torah (Old Testament), sure — and the Old is referenced by Jewish storytellers 4,105 times in the Jew Testament; thus, the evil is infused throughout the whole Bible.

    • Replies: @Zumbuddi
  154. Polemos says:
    @Alden

    Whatever; the fact remains that the calvinists and American pilgrims were not Christian as they did not believe that Jesus was god, only the god of israel.

    Suppose the god of israel is Jesus. What happens then?

    Do you think Calvin is saying ‘the God of Israel’ as you quote him (from what source?) refers to some being or entity or thing or person who is not God?

    How do you understand the Trinity? Who are some of the proponents of the Trinitarian model you’re familiar with?

  155. Anon[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    Jew-worshipers like you gonna Jew. You’re more pathetic than Elizabeth Warren identifying as an Injun. (Philippians 3:3 “For it is we who are the Circumcision.”)

  156. Anon[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    The Church has a gay problem because priests are pederasts like Jesus. Go ask at a semen-ary some time.

    • Troll: Iris
    • Replies: @anon
  157. Alden says:
    @Art

    Never baptized, commie milieu growing up you’re right about the non religious benefits of the Catholic Church and some Protestant churches such as the widespread Lutheran and Protestants who call themselves Christian in this country. Who have built an alternative school system to the public school system.

    The calendar we use today was adjusted from the old Julius cessation calendar in the Vatican observatory by catholic priest mathematicians and astronomers. Only the Vatican had the observatory astronomers and mathematicians capable of developing a new calendar. Non Europeans had observatories and astronomers but none had the equipment and scientists the Vatican had.

    And what were calvinists and Protestants doing while the Catholics created the greatest scientific development of the time, the calendar?

    They were obsessing over and mightily enjoying the sex and violence of the Jewish part of the Bible. Which by the way, was written in 250BC adapted from various middle eastern folk tales.

    There’s an old French saying: Don’t listen to what he says, look at what he does.

    From a non believer’s view, Protestants talk about whatever while the Catholics built hospitals schools towns harbors bridges windmills water mills charitable organizations sponsored the development of technology and architecture adjusted the calendar, sent Vosco de Gama Magellan and Columbus to discover the world. The Roman church worked with Regean and Lech Walesa, elected that Polish Pope, destroyed the Soviet Union and freed 11 European countries from the Beast from the East while the most important Protestant churches did nothing

    Discover the world, be the only observatory in the entire world capable of creating a new calendar, building an entire American school system safe from the black IRC’s, about 70% of American hospitals and playing a great part in destroying the Soviet Union it’s quite an organization.

    And what do most Protestants do? Obsess over the Jewish bible hate the Church of Rome and don’t even bother establishing hospitals or educating their own children away from the public schools

  158. Miggle says:
    @Miggle

    And what was the punishment meted out to Irish who did convert to Calvinism?

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Seraphim
  159. Alden says:
    @anon

    I think Bill Gates is not catholic . He’s contributing to the African population explosion. So is every European including Russian our American and even the Chinese government. So have the Protestant churches. The American Methodists had a big China missionary project going as early as 1820.

    It should all be stopped immediately.

    Melinda Gates is a moron. Feed clothe house and medicate them and hope they’ll use condoms. Or remember to take the pill. Or consent to an IUD.

    If the Gates charity required every woman and girl over 12 to get both an IUD and the implant thing to get any type of aid it might be OK might. Require every man who got charity to coerce a woman to get the implant and IUD.

  160. wayfarer says:

    Question: What happens after you die?
    Answer: Rebirth, along with baggage from your previous life.

  161. @FB

    Ron Unz discovers his readership’s grasp on reality…

    Same goes for the article itself. Stopped reading the trash after a few paragraphs, and gave up after skimming some of the the comments, but was interested in what RU had to say.

    • Replies: @Iris
  162. @Anthony P.

    That may well be your experience but there are countless instances worldwide where priests under suspicion of child molestation have simply been relocated to other districts and have carried on their vile games with children of either sex. This qualifies as enabling child abuse.

    In my opinion the safeguarding of children is job number one with no exceptions. Nobody should put any child in a position of risk which would allow any contact with a priest under suspicion. Most parents with children involved in the church are not going to church seeking to grift money they are there as supporters and believers of the stated mission of the church. Many parents reporting sexual abuse by priests have not received the compassionate support that they expected but were treated contemptuously instead in an attempt to cover it up and in hoping that the matter would go no further.

    Cardinal Pell in Australia even developed a church policy to make small and timely payoffs to minimise exposure and damages to the church, and this is just one example of many instances where the abused child is further victimised in the interests of protecting the church.

    The church is destroying itself regardless of outside attempts. Bishop John Shelby Spong has written a great deal on how Christianity, by insisting that things should be taken literally when they were only ever intended not to be has lost many potential future churchgoers and falling attendances supports that.

  163. Seraphim says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    The truth is that Lenin was both: paid by the German Jewish bankers from America and German agent paid by the same Jewish German bankers from Germany.

  164. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @FB

    I lent (no pun intended) you one

    • LOL: FB
  165. anon[154] • Disclaimer says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    some of these crazies even claim Lenin was part jewish himself, lol

  166. Anon[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Batter down sound social practices? That is exactly what the radical, fanatical Rabbi Jewsus did. (“If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters–yes, even their own life–such a person cannot be my disciple.” -Luke 14:26) Good riddance.

  167. anon[154] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    The Church has a gay problem because priests are pederasts like Jesus. Go ask at a semen-ary some time.

    how do you know, someone told you?

    or that drawing convinced you?

    • Replies: @Anon
  168. @anon

    It is not just male children who’ve been targeted, there are countless examples of girls too.

    During times when homosexuality was much less tolerated than it is today joining the church as a priest appealed to gay men who were thus freed from awkward explanations on why they haven’t taken a wife. Obviously not all priests have been offenders but how many is acceptable?

  169. Anon[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    Calvinists are not Christians, true. Furthermore, no Christian is a real Christian, except the one Christian—and maybe a few of his friends that think exactly like he does at the moment—that you’re talking to. Even the bickering writers of the Jew Testament can’t agree on whose a real Christian.

    • Ephesians 2:8-9 “saved through faith…not by works
    • James 2:24 “by works a man is justified, and not by faith only”

    LOL! I say, collect all 176 ways—sometimes contradictory!—to get yourself saved, just to be sure!

    176 ways to get yourself saved
    Steve Wells (2015)
    http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/2006/08/28-ways-to-get-yourself-saved.html

  170. @Alden

    If the first sex occurs at too young an age it can lead to conflicting feelings of both pleasure and shame. Sex is for adults not children, could it really be any simpler than that?

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  171. Iris says:
    @jacques sheete

    Hi Jacques; Joyeuses Paques.

    Did you notice, the galvanised steel scaffolding on top of Notre-Dame has been engulfed in flames for over 4 hours, and hasn’t collapsed even a bit ?

    Not like the “flimsy” reinforced steel structure of the 2 magic towers, which gave up in 30 minutes without flames being even visible…

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @tac
  172. Skeptikal says:

    ” It might be that there are crooks who happen to be Jews, but that doesn’t make them ‘Jewish crooks’, ”

    Let’s just cut to the chase and riposte “paedophile priests” with “paedophile rabbis.”
    Esp. the ones to oversee the circumcisions. Yech. But plenty of others, too.

    • Replies: @wayfarer
  173. Anon[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Never read the Jew Testament? (John 13:23-25 says: “There was reclining on Jesus’ bosom one of His disciples, whom Jesus loved….He, leaning back thus on Jesus’ bosom…”) Google images of Jesus+John+Beloved. Then Google images of Zeus+Ganymede. See any difference? Older bearded man, younger beardless boy, a.k.a., pederasty. Of course, Jew worshipers will say: “Don’t Believe Your Lying Eyes!” Not to mention all of Jewish Rabbi Jesus’ other sexually perverse teachings, such as castrating yourself, no straight marriage, no reproduction, etc.

  174. Alden says:
    @Miggle

    No punishment to Irish who converted to Calvinism or the Anglican Church of Ireland. Like the English and Scots settlers they were given, not sold to at vastly reduced price but given the property of Catholics.

    Another great advantage was that virtually every occupation but attorney and unskilled laborer was forbidden to Catholics so the skilled trades and professions were affirmative action for Protestants. We White Americans all know about affirmative action don’t we?

    Protestants could breed as many cows, pigs sheep chickens they could and keep them. They could breed or but whatever horses they could afford instead of being restricted to just one low value horse.
    The great thing about live stock is they have babies the babes grow up and can be eaten by the family and sold for cash or traded. It’s the whole point of owning livestock and farming.

    Long before the potato famines that occurred ever few decades, the English embarked on a policy of restricting food, especially animal protein from Irish Catholics by forbidding from owning enough live stock to feed themselves and sell for cash.

    Also, Catholics were forbidden to fish in lakes and rivers, only in the ocean. Again a formal policy of restricting food.

    The penal laws as they were called only applied to Catholics. It didn’t apply to native Irish who converted. They could be starving beggars disposed of their property and forbidden to work at anything but unskilled labor one day and a couple weeks after conversion they were given property or the men and boys allowed to learn a trade.

    After Cromwell died and the crown and Church of England was restored, all the Calvinists, Presbyterians and other Old Testament devotees were required to suddenly convert to the Irish branch of the Church of England, the Church of Ireland.

    They were absolutely horrified. Music in church, Jesus, the New Testament crosses special outfit for the preacher, even a picture of Jesus Christmas and Easter festivals. Pagan papist festivals and idolatry!!!

    Some decamped to America, especially the descendants of the Scots Presbyterians brought to Ireland by James 1. Most reluctantly accepted the Church of Ireland as is it was a crime punishable by a substantial fine not to attend the Church of Ireland. That was the same system inaugurated by Henry 8 to encourage wide spread conversion to his church, it continued for a couple centuries.

    The fine was sliding scale not a set sum. So the wealthy couldn’t just pay the fine. The fines were set according to income and net worth. The amount bankrupted those who refused to attend Anglican services long enough. So most people went to the Anglican Church enough to avoid the fine.

    The church of Ireland didn’t really prevail. The Protestant Irish went to the church of Ireland but there was a thriving underground Calvinist OT obsession that went on for centuries the church of Ireland accommodated the Calvinism of the congregations. Every once on a while the arch bishop of the church of Ireland had to order the clergy to be less Calvinist.

    The English treated indigenous Irish who stayed Catholics totally differently from indigenous Irish who converted.

    I became interested in the English treatment of Irish Catholics and the Bolshevik treatment of Russians and kulaks a when Satan’s minions on earth established affirmative action.

    There are many parallels Many jobs forbidden, which results in poverty in a few generations welfare and benefits given only to non Whites, even illegal aliens a constant hate Whites they are evil . That’s no different from the constant the Roman church is evil
    Pagan idol worshippers not “biblical Christians” or wanna be Jews. What we read every day about the inherent evilness of Whites in the NYTimes is do different from what the English Protestants said about the Irish Catholics for 350 years.

    Whites are the kulaks. We aren’t class enemies as in Russia, we’re race enemies of the people who run the world.

    But we can’t join the Protestant church or the communist party or BLM and other far left justice and progressive democrats and escape prosecution as the Irish Catholics became Irish Anglicans. We can’t change our race. We can check the black box for a job or college admission. It almost always works. I think HR is happy to have a good White worker and count him as black in the forms sent to EEOC, FEPCs and the rest of the affirmative action gestapo.

    The Russian revolution was very fast. Just 2 years and the Cheka was slaughtering resistants and it continued for 20 years. The English ruled Ireland for centuries without genocidal policies. Elizabeth 1 let the Irish Catholics alone James and Charles settled Scots Calvinist rebel’s there but let the Catholics alone.

    Then Calvinist Cromwell came along and the policy of genocide by starvation and protein deprivation was enacted and went on 300 years.

    Look at how black on White crime is aided abetted and encouraged. look at the millions of White children terrorized by the black animals in the gladiator public schools under school desegregation and school bussing

    The parallels with American policies towards White Americans are obvious. The liberals just don’t have the police and military on their side yet.

    Incidentally, that woman who harassed the man in the MAGA hat was co-chair of the Bay Area Progressive Democrats

  175. Alden says:
    @Ron Unz

    Did we read the same one? It said 1537 convicted and branded. Not just gossip.

    The crypto Jew thing who knows who cares. My point is that anyone who states there is but one God and that is the God of Israel isn’t a Christian. There’s a gazillion christian sects but that Jesus is god is the basis of Christianity

    Calvin made that statement during the endless reformation debates about theology. Some reformers thought the Holy Ghost member of the trinity was just ridiculous and should be discarded. Others thought Jesus was just a prophet and not a God man and therefore not God. That’s the same as Hercules, and all the other children Zeus fathered on mortal women. Calvin didn’t believe Jesus was God. Therefore he wasn’t a Christian.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @Anonymous
  176. “It’s amazing, the liberals have always supported NAMBLA man boy love association and worship homosexuals the way the worship MLK but they denounce homosexual priests who practiced man boy ickiness.”

    A couple of comments here.

    1. Very few people are aware on NAMBLA. I generally feel cultish and creepy when I reference the organization. The SC decisions regarding same relational marriages gave them a huge boost, sadly.

    2. Dr./Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. advocacy had nothing to do with advancing the agenda of those who choose same sex relations — nothing. It was not part of his civil rights agenda and never would have been.

    3. As former scout, I find the choice regarding this unnatural behavior a tragic turn of events for the scouts. Some much for the rules, conditions and ethos of nature and the natural world. I never met a single scout, or troop leader who was anything but singularly mended about scouting and its principles.

    4. The child scandals that occurred throughout the seventies and eighties were largely overblown and over-hyped scandals that did the country irrevocable harm and set the stage for the psychiatric and psychological community to really begin experimenting with human psyche – and we have given them considerable more weight than the evidence demands in the area of human behavior.

    5. It is also little understood press that the most damaging changes to the country have not been advanced by blacks. But by the same sex community and women, largely white women. Both groups have used the history of blacks to make their cases. And I suspect the only reason they have been as successful as they are is because they have been influential whites. The APA reclassification, abortion both in 1973 along with to Kinsey report (1950’s) and subsequent studies were not part of anything blacks sought with regards to civil rights.

    —————————-

    And nothing in the OT or the NT suggests that same sex relational behavior is condoned or acceptable as a matter of faith and practice.

    • Replies: @anon
  177. “Batter down sound social practices? That is exactly what the radical, fanatical Rabbi Jewsus did. (“If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters–yes, even their own life–such a person cannot be my disciple.” -Luke 14:26) Good riddance.”

    You as usual, of course, completely way off on my comments.

    1. It was not a question.

    2. it was not something I was advocating but describing as to the advocacy of others.

    3. Your scriptural reference has absolutely nothing to do with what I said. Not even remotely and requires no response.

    —————————————

    The scripture verse simply means one should follow Christ above all else. And following Christ may put one at odds with family. No has to literally hate their family to follow christ. You might want to read some other versions of scripture to get a broader and richer view of what any particular text is saying.

    But then that requires some personal investment that might possibly bring you into a relationship with Christ where you can take your personal animosities about Christ, God and faith.

    • Replies: @Anon
  178. Seraphim says:
    @Miggle

    They will have the same fate like all deniers of Christ.

    • Replies: @Anon
  179. @renfro

    I would be extremely upset if an adult woman went after my son, but my wife is the one she would have to look out for. If a grown man touched either of my daughters, jail is the best place for him to be.

    As a teen, I wasn’t attracted to adults, though I noticed how many 30 and 40 something women looked at me. There is also the fact that most were married, had children, or both, and I always thought it is wrong to involve yourself in the lives of others. Society has really broken down.

    • Replies: @renfro
  180. anon[154] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    5. It is also little understood press that the most damaging changes to the country have not been advanced by blacks. But by the same sex community and women, largely white women. Both groups have used the history of blacks to make their cases. And I suspect the only reason they have been as successful as they are is because they have been influential whites. The APA reclassification, abortion both in 1973 along with to Kinsey report (1950’s) and subsequent studies were not part of anything blacks sought with regards to civil rights.

    odd that you left jews out of the equation

  181. wayfarer says:
    @Skeptikal

    “Jewish Rabbi and Mayors Arrested for Selling and Harvesting Organs”

    • Replies: @Republic
  182. Ron Unz says:
    @Alden

    Did we read the same one? It said 1537 convicted and branded. Not just gossip.

    First, I should emphasize that except for vague recollections of what I’d read in my old History 101 textbooks, I’m totally ignorant of the subject. For example, I’d had the impression that Calvin was Swiss, but when I glanced at Wikipedia, I was surprised to discover he was actually French.

    But the Heidelblog website to which that you (and Google) directed me discusses the issue at length, and the writer is apparently a professor of theology and seems quite knowledgeable.

    https://heidelblog.net/2012/11/was-calvin-a-homosexual-convict/

    He quotes the accusations at considerable length, evaluates the sources, and concludes that they are of poor quality and contradictory, citing numerous scholars with regard to that evidence.

    Given my extreme ignorance of the period in question, I really can’t render a solid judgment. But offhand the Heidelblog writer seems pretty persuasive.

    Also, if Calvin had actually been convicted of sodomy as a young man and branded, I’d think that would have been a leading item in all Catholic propaganda denouncing him and his followers. After all, branded sodomites are hardly likely to attract too many devote Christian followers, and the factual reality of the brand would have been pretty difficult to dispute.

  183. @Anon

    Quote: And he thinks it’s okay for grown 20 something female teachers to have sex with their 13 and 15 year old male students?

    Reply: Dang! Now I gotta find me a new, non-sticky keyboard.

    As to the Church and sex, my advice would be [to the church, not you]: write an erotic version of Ramadan into the annals of your religious edicts [no sex between dawn till dusk for a month and the rest of the year, ‘bombs away’]. Problems solved [well, most of them].

  184. anon[343] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    I see that someone even agrees to your stupidity .

    DdI that rabbi send you here ?

  185. Anon[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Requires no response? Is that what kept you to only seven paragraphs on your response? LOL

    Might possibly bring you into a relationship with Christ… Not a chance! I’m not a Jew-worshiping faggot like you who wants to be a boy-Bride of a swarthy Jewish Rabbi. Ever wonder why Rabbi Jewsus bans straight sex (Mt. 22:23-30) for his boy-lover Brides like you in his fabled heaven, hmm? While condemning normal reproduction. (Mt. 24:19, Mark 13:17, Luke 21:23; 23:29) Jewsus would have fit right into the perverted culture of San Francisco.

  186. @NoseytheDuke

    I fully agree with your sentiments of children being kept out of [and far away from] adult sexual adventures. That’s a no-brainer, right off the bat.

    From a natural/nature pov, do you agree with the notion of an animal having reached maturity, the moment it’s ready to reproduce?

    I had a talk, a while ago, with a [female] friend of mine, who happens to be a teacher at a nearby elementary school. She said they were facing a problem, because girls are beginning to get their first period act an increasingly younger age. The youngest being 9 years [so far]. This creates a dilemma of sorts, as nature and my natural instincts have a head-on collision. Nature tells me, ‘Go ahead, she’s ready to become pregnant.’ and I’m saying, “No ff-ing way!”

    As this phenomenon is instigated and regulated by hormones in the girl’s body, the question is, what’s going on?

    Various theories out there, but I leave them out of this reply.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @NoseytheDuke
    , @Iris
  187. anon[343] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Poland loves the Jews . Jews loves the Polish . I have heard it from the Jews ?

    Who did it hear from ? Yourself the Jew?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  188. renfro says:
    @Iris

    We can credit the Catholic Church with several things.
    Those not familiar with ancient history are probably not aware that the church established the first formal universities in the world going back to BC. A lot of them centered in the cathedrals. They were spread outside of Rome around the world in 1500’s after the formation of the Jesuits who were tasked with educating and converting.

    However the Muslims were the first to develop a alphabet in Egypt around 2000 B.C. from a hieroglyphic prototype.

    Throw in the Greeks concentration on ethics and philosophy after that and we have the 3
    main precursors’ of todays academics.

    • Replies: @Anon
  189. anon[343] • Disclaimer says:
    @Johnny Rottenborough

    Do you know the Jews used to say same thing about the Christin to the Muslim citizen of the Moorish Spain ?

  190. renfro says:
    @OilcanFloyd

    but my wife is the one she would have to look out for.

    Same here.
    And yes society has broken down.

  191. Anon[163] • Disclaimer says:
    @Seraphim

    The same fate, say you?

    Ecclesiastes 3:19-21 “Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both…”

    Deny Christ? Don’t deny Christ? Chase your own tail? Eat eucalyptus leaves? Worship a Jew? Purr when petted? Gallop across the plains? Worship a rock? Shed your skin on a warm rock? Swing from tree branches? “The same fate.” Don’t blame me, it’s in the Bible. 🙂

  192. “Might possibly bring you into a relationship with Christ… Not a chance! I’m not a Jew-worshiping faggot like you who wants to be a boy-Bride of a swarthy Jewish Rabbi. Ever wonder why Rabbi Jewsus bans straight sex (Mt. 22:23-30) for his boy-lover Brides like you in his fabled heaven, hmm? While condemning normal reproduction. (Mt. 24:19, Mark 13:17, Luke 21:23; 23:29) Jewsus would have fit right into the perverted culture of San Francisco.”

    As has been a constant hurdle for you regarding reading. You don’t seem to have firm grasp on what a metaphor is.

    Nor is your understanding of intimate relations as to scripture in any manner accurate. There is no prohibition of relations or the desire between men and women. There are very specific contexts in which such expression should be engaged in full.

    Because of the value of marriage, it serves as primary metaphor in the old testament and the new to describe the nature of the relationship that God desires with his people. And based on scripture there is nothing mundane, earthly about it in regards to human nature. I suppose you know this but are so hurt and angered about some personal event with someone or persons of faith, it over rides your reason on the matter. Christ is always available to hash it out with him. You are not alone in this.

    And apparently you are wholly unaware of the christian dynamic in SF or you wouldn’t make the peculiar comments you have. Again in complete contradiction with reality.

    • Replies: @Anon
  193. renfro says:
    @Daniel Rich

    From a natural/nature pov, do you agree with the notion of an animal having reached maturity, the moment it’s ready to reproduce?

    No. Animals that breed too young frequently die in birthing. Cats and dogs can be impregnated before they are a year old….BUT….although they can be impregnated their organs, including reproductive organs and muscles are not fully developed till they are a year old.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  194. @Daniel Rich

    Nature knows exactly what to do but does that always align with what we want out of life? Animals are a different matter. A very young woman may well have a healthy child at an early age and her body bounce back just fine afterwards yet she may well be better off in the long-term if she waits a while until she’s more mature, for many good reasons but especially for the wellbeing of her child.

    Early menstruation may well be initiated by chemicals mimicking hormones but that’s well out of my understanding so I’ll leave it to the expects to discuss.

    A lot of the concern over children and sex comes from the different power equation between adults and children, especially when the adult is in a position of trust and having influence such as a priest or teacher is. I’ve known a few teenagers who were surprisingly mature for their age and a few thirty somethings who were incredibly immature. It’s quite natural for kids to be curious and play around with one another but when an adult exploits that curiosity it is not OK with me, indeed I think it’s very creepy behaviour.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Daniel Rich
    , @Art
  195. ” . . . odd that you left jews out of the equation . . .”

    Well, in our contemporary understanding the jews in question are probably all white. There are black jews but none in the forefront of advocacy involved in advancing the issues I mentioned.

    • Replies: @anon
  196. Note: nothing requires worshiping Jews, Israel is required to have fellowship with Christ.

  197. Iris says:
    @Daniel Rich

    This creates a dilemma of sorts, as nature and my natural instincts have a head-on collision.

    This sort of “dilemma” exists only in the sick mind of manipulative, narcissistic adults who make up excuses to use children and teenagers for their own sexual gratification.

    There is no way a child, or even a teenager, can ever feel any “sexual” attraction towards an adult. They can be confused when in emotional distress, but this only makes the adult abusing them even more despicable.

    Physical maturity is not the criterion to start having a sexual life. We are a conscious species who reaches intellectual and emotional maturity much later in life, and only this maturity can protect from being badly damaged by others. Creepy adults need to leave children out of their creepy fantasies.

  198. Giuseppe says:
    @Polemos

    Are corporations legally devised shields for liability, not crime? Are the widows of a parish guilty of a priest’s crime against a boy?

    But the Church cannot be stained by the foul deeds committed Her servants. If a priest abuses a boy then the crime is his crime, not that of the Church. Likewise, if a soldier abuses a boy it is not the fault of the army, and if a politician abuses a boy the nation is not to blame.

    • Replies: @Polemos
  199. Iris says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Early menstruation may well be initiated by chemicals mimicking hormones but that’s well out of my understanding

    It seems to be a health problem caused by increased intake of sugary drinks, which in turn increases the production of sexual hormones. And it is linked to excessive weight, increased risk of diabetes and higher likelihood of breast cancer. So nothing particularly pleasant for the teenagers affected.

    In Human Reproduction: “Sugar-sweetened beverage consumption and age at menarche in a prospective study of US girls

    https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/30/3/675/661239

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  200. Zumbuddi says:
    @Anon

    Theologians in National Socialist Germany started a movement to remove the Jewish / Hebrew influence from Christianity as expressed by Germans.

    Zionist Jews lambasted this movement as antisemitic (!).

  201. @renfro

    I agree, nevertheless, a possibility of becoming pregnant at an early age is a realistic one, even if it results in death. I agree with NoseytheDuke, higher up this thread: an adult should never, ever exploit a child’s curiosity [one way or the other] and in religious circles/cases, the persp were sent elsewhere too many times, to label them erroneous and honest mistakes.

  202. @NoseytheDuke

    Please see my reply to renfro.

  203. mcohen says:

    There is no connection between God and relegion.One is a man made social construct.The other a divine force that has always existed.

    No single relegion is the universal truth otherwise all mankind would believe in that one single truth.

    Survival comes first,relegion gives the will and intent to survive.

    God is gravity.Humans interact with God using highly emotional states that activate our own gravitational force located in the crown of our heads similar to the halo depicted in pictures of holy people.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_(religious_iconography)

    I know this through personal experience.

  204. Kilford says:
    @Logan

    Wrong: Rachel was not 7 when she married. Too young, she had yet to reach puberty. According to Talmudic literature, she was 20 or 21 when she married, and other sources say she may have been 18. https://www.quora.com/How-old-were-Rebecca-Sarah-Leah-and-Rachel-when-they-were-married

  205. @anon

    Poland does not love the Jews and the Jews do not love Poland.
    It’s a relativity issue. Poles recognize the Jews are on the front line against the real enemy Islam and the crazy Jew haters on UR

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Mulegino1
    , @Art
    , @anon
  206. @Iris

    Did you notice, the galvanised steel scaffolding on top of Notre-Dame has been engulfed in flames for over 4 hours, and hasn’t collapsed even a bit ?

    Didn’t notice, but thanks for pointing it out. Remarkable. However, I don’t think any planes hit it in dramatic fashion! (Wink, wink.)

    I did, however, notice the timing of the “accident” and also the fact that hundreds of churches in France are subjected to various forms of vandalism each year. I also noticed that the US-Zionist supported Taliban destroyed Buddhist rock carvings in Pakistan and Afghanistan and that was one reason they were supposedly declared enemies of the US and Afghanistan “had” to be invaded, but that’s probably “off topic” and my conspiracy-minded paranoia showing. 😉

    καλό Πάσχα!

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @Anon
  207. Anon[293] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “What a metaphor is:” ad hoc excuse-making for embarrassing scriptural passages. If it is embarrassing, it’s a metaphor! “So hurt and angered.” The constant refrain of retards who believe in Jewish magic, and are totally butthurt that their intellectual betters do not believe in Jewish magic. “You are wholly unaware of the christian dynamic.” So much for being hurt and angered. Can you stick with just one story for more than three seconds, shitbird?

  208. correction:

    Note: nothing requires worshiping Jews or Israel, is required to have fellowship with Christ.

  209. @j2

    And how did the Knights Templars end up being associated with Freemasonry? I thought they were medieval Christian warrior monks. Why would they end up as Masons who are anti-Christian? Surely they didn’t fight in the Crusades so as the have the Jews rebuild the temple or for some Great Architect, they fought for Christ and Christianity. Isn’t it a misrepresentation to associate them with masonry?

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @Gordo
    , @j2
  210. Anon[293] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    The first formal universities? Wrong.

    The University of Al Quaraouiyine, founded in Morocco by Fatima al-Fihri in 859, is considered by some to be the oldest degree-granting university.[12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University#Antecedents

    Those not familiar with ancient history are probably not aware. Like you?

    • Replies: @Anon
  211. @Polemos

    can I hold Microsoft or Amazon or Monsanto guilty of fraud or malfeasance or only individuals employed by them?

    Since you ask…

    Yes, you can sue the corporations on corporate, or vicarious, liability – the business equivalent of collective group guilt. And you can do that because that’s what the law says.

    But “The law is an ass,” and it should be shot and it’s stinking, corrupt, putrefied Jewish stable should be burnt down.

    You’re welcome.

    • Replies: @Polemos
  212. yurivku says:
    @Vojkan

    Agree

    Remove the Jews and you’ll see the problem doesn’t go away.

    But this is fantastic and hardly imaginable

  213. Heymrguda says:
    @Hibernian

    Yeah, that’s why so many Irish have emigrated to countries found by scots or English protestants, because they hate us so much.
    As far as this Notre dame controversy is concerns, I personally have no dog in this fight, I have little in common with Judaism or RC.

    • Replies: @anon
  214. Republic says:
    @wayfarer

    A big business in Tel Aviv.

  215. @Paul Bennett

    Why is Satan called the “Father of Lies?”

  216. @Hibernian

    Poor thing. How did you ever manage to learn English?

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  217. @Commentator Mike

    And I thought the US Congress represented the people. Secret societies are secret for a reason. The French King and the Pope condemned the Knights Templar because they, like others we know, were a state within a state. Not everything is what it seems, is it, Mike?

    • Agree: Commentator Mike
  218. @A123

    Jews have a long history of pretending to be someone else, don’t they A123?

  219. Whenever we read yhe obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucherie, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which the torah is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of evil, than the word of god.

  220. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Well, in our contemporary understanding…

    what does it mean when you say “our” here instead of “my”?

  221. Gordo says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Masonry appropriated from the Knights Templar. There is no real lineage.

  222. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Heymrguda

    Yeah, that’s why so many Irish have emigrated to countries found by scots or English protestants, because they hate us so much.

    if they don’t, they should

  223. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Sighing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Constantinople

    A few scholars have gone so far as calling the Pandidakterion the first “university” in the world, but this view does not take into account that the Byzantine centers of higher learning generally lacked the corporative structure of the medieval universities of Western Europe which were the first to use the Latin term universitas for the corporations of students and masters that came to define the institutional character of the university thereafter.[7][8] Nonetheless, the Dictionnaire encyclopédique du Moyen Âge tentatively identifies the Pandidakterion of 425 AD as a “university institution”.[8]

  224. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Poland does not love the Jews and the Jews do not love Poland.
    It’s a relativity issue.

    Poland doesn’t hate the jews as much as other countries do?

  225. Iris says:
    @jacques sheete

    my conspiracy-minded paranoia showing.

    You are not paranoid; the fire at Notre-Dame is extremely puzzling and definitely suspect.

    1) A “error” in the fire detection system sent the responders to a wrong location on first alarm. They lost over 20 minutes before realising the fire was real; by then it was too late.

    2) A fire needs fuel, oxygen and ignition. The only source of power present in the building that could have provided ignition is the electrical supply. In the construction area where the fire started, it had been switched off, locked and handed back to the Cathedral’s security.

    3) No welding or other hot works had taken place, as initially believed.

    4) Investigators are now left speculating about a rogue construction worker illegally smoking in the area, but this is an unacceptable explanation: thick timber cannot catch fire with so little energy.

    5) In such a historic building, no flammable products would have been stored that could facilitate a fire.

    The fire being accidental does not make any sense. It could well be that a device with ignition retarder had been deliberately placed there by an unidentified intruder.

    https://www.egaliteetreconciliation.fr/Notre-Dame-de-Paris-quelques-rappels-de-chimie-physique-et-geometrie-54456.html

  226. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    Happy Easter to you too!

  227. Mulegino1 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Poles recognize the Jews are on the front line against the real enemy Islam

    In that case, the Poles are deceived, as they were back in 1939.

    The Jews are indeed on the front lines with respect to radical so called Jihadists, to whom they provide support and encouragement, provided the fight is against Christians and the other Muslims who reject murderers such as ISIS and Al Quaeda. The number one enemy of the Jews has always been traditional Christianity, whether in its Catholic or Orthodox manifestation. The number two enemy has always been those Muslims who oppose Israeli hegemony, as exemplified in the Jewish polemics against Syria, Iran, Hezbollah, the Houthis, etc. It is no coincidence that Israel now has very friendly ties with the absolute barbarians in Riyadh. The Israeli-Saudi love affair represents the perfect chemical nuptials between the Wahhabi hatred for so called “infidels” and the Jew hatred for the non-kosher world, as manifested in the Talmud.

  228. anon[315] • Disclaimer says:

    It is no coincidence that Israel now has very friendly ties with the absolute barbarians in Riyadh. The Israeli-Saudi love affair represents the perfect chemical nuptials between the Wahhabi hatred for so called “infidels” and the Jew hatred for the non-kosher world, as manifested in the Talmud.

    the rumor is that the Saudi royals are actually Talmudic jews

  229. Art says:

    US politicians refuse to use the “C” word.

    One Word Noticeably Absent As Trump, Obama, Hillary And 2020 Democrats Respond To Sri Lanka Attacks

    More than 200 people were murdered on Easter Sunday as a series of coordinated attacks were executed against churches and hotels in Sri Lanka. As statements condemning the attacks poured in, one word was notably missing from many of them.

    Former President Barack Obama, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and nearly all of the 2020 Democratic hopefuls tweeted in response to the attacks, and although at least some of the bombings specifically targeted Christians on the holiest day of the year — Easter Sunday — hardly any of their tweets mentioned Christianity.

    Obama: The attacks on tourists and Easter worshippers in Sri Lanka are an attack on humanity. On a day devoted to love, redemption, and renewal, we pray for the victims and stand with the people of Sri Lanka.

    Hillary: On this holy weekend for many faiths, we must stand united against hatred and violence. I’m praying for everyone affected by today’s horrific attacks on Easter worshippers and travelers in Sri Lanka

    https://dailycaller.com/2019/04/22/obama-clinton-2020-candidates-sri-lanka-bombings-christians-churches/

    This is not happenstance. Those people know what they are doing. They are pushing the empty brave new world. “Christianity” must be politically and symptomatically erased from human consciousness.

    Hmm! The world works better with idealistic Christian philosophy, then without it!

    Think Peace — Art

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @anon
  230. j2 says:
    @Commentator Mike

    “And how did the Knights Templars end up being associated with Freemasonry?”

    It is a Freemason legend that has no historical basis. This legend was already around at the end of the 18th century and it probably was created because Templars were accused of heresy. Masons could have been accused of heresy, thus they thought there was some association.

    However, there is an association with Freemasonry and some real Knight Orders, such as the Lazarus Knights, the Malta Knights and so on. It is possible yet today to join a real knight order, which actually derives from a Medieval one, pay some money, do some charity, and to get there Masonic connections are helpful.

    Masons have also themselves created some (false) knight orders. It is very possible to join through Freemasonry to some order called with a name resembling Knights Templars, but does not have a connection to the old order. In a practical sense they do not differ from the real knight orders except for that you cannot carry the medals in official receptions as those orders are not recognized.

    Some Freemasons are interested on such orders and some are knights of real Medieval knight orders, whatever it means to them. Hope this explains

  231. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Poles recognize the Jews are on the front line against the real enemy Islam and the crazy Jew haters on UR

    Say Franny — the rest of the world is learning what the Poles already know – that the Jews live their Passover prayers 24/7/365.

    Pour out Thy wrath upon the nations that know Thee not, and upon the kingdoms that call not upon Thy name; for they have consumed Jacob and laid waste his habitation. Pour out Thy rage upon them and let Thy fury overtake them. Pursue them in anger and destroy them from under the heavens of the Eternal.

    For more than once have they risen against us to destroy us; in every generation they rise against us and seek our destruction. But the Holy One, blessed be He, saves us from their hands.

    It is Jew against the world all the time. No people can thrive with the Jews amongst them.

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

    • Replies: @JamesinNM
    , @anon
    , @ploni almoni
  232. anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Jews have been fighting for west while living in Poland Russia Hungary Baltics in 1912 and in 1936

    You are right .

    They also fought for Christianity in and around 1789 amd around 1874

    Right now they are fighting for them in Iran and Syria

    Not long ago the Jews fought for them in Iraq .

    • Replies: @anon
  233. JamesinNM says:

    The content of the Quran and Talmud is very similar.

    • Replies: @anon
  234. anon[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    So Hillary said “Easter worshipers,” but didn’t specifically say “Christian Easter worshipers” as you demand. Are you completely retarded? Who else is celebrating Easter? Hindu Easter worshipers?

    • Replies: @Art
  235. JamesinNM says:
    @Art

    Compare Romans 2:28-29 about real Jews who have changed hearts regardless of ethnicity, versus Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 about false Jews described as the Synagogue of Satan.

  236. anon[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    • Art: “Jews live their Passover prayers”
    • 1 Co. 5.7: “Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.”

    If no people can thrive with the Jews amongst them, then no people can survive with Rabbi Jewsus among them. You have said it yourself.

  237. @Alden

    My Catholic grandchildren had to change private Catholic schools 3xs, due to the excessive aggression from the free riding Hispanic kids. In Salt Lake City, no less.
    It was already bad enough with the shunning & mistreatment they endured from the Mormons, so this was the cherry on top that led them to finally flee the area.

  238. anon[198] • Disclaimer says:
    @JamesinNM

    Not at all.

    There is no similarity beyond one God. And mutual respect for Jewish Prophets .

    Having said that anything that come after something on same issue will have a lot in common which by the time the second movement arrives , is already part of the moral fabric .

  239. AmRusDebate says: • Website

    Israel, thank you for an interesting article. America is the first to have conflated molestation, unwanted attention, and rape. Has something to do with general sexual frustration in a population that gets out very little (except in New York).

    In other countries this specific mix is an instrument against one’s enemies (UK, France, Germany). There are certainly egregious cases of rape of children, both of a pedophilia, straight, and homosexual nature, but it is clear you are not referring to these. Dutreaux, as well as UK’s Janner’s ring. These are odious, and reprehensible crimes that warrant the toughest of prison terms if not capital punishment.

    Now to a few points you make. Rachel had been wedded to Jacob at age 7? Where, where did you get this!? This is a blatant falsehood Israel. Jacob sought the hand of Rachel, Laban obliged him to indentured servitude for 7 years. He was given Leah as his bride. A trick. Laban demanded another 7 years for Rachel. Jacob obliged. That makes for 14 years before marriage. Do the math.

    Regarding the Talmudic age of marriage. This is complicated, and you’re offering a simplified, dumbed down take. I know exactly the portions you mention The tractate and the section are publicly available. Anyone who reads them with any attention will understand that you are engaged in loathsome literalism. Lest I sound like an apologist, there is a significant problem with paedophilia in hareidi circles, I will make no apologies for it, nor do I approve of the mainstream ignorance of the issue, which gives all kinds of rabbis a free pass from the kind of scrutiny they, and their victims deserve. I wonder, if you, once acquainted with the stories/evidence, would wish to tamper your “molestation is not an issue” stand. Or if the opportunity to skew Jews on our own skillet would be just too tempting for you?

    The age of the “virgin” Mary. Ask the Catholics why they don’t represent her as a nubile teen. I doubt anyone has ever paid attention to this, and the average age given by sites on the internet is between 14-16, which by your own argument is perfectly fine.

    Islam – the religion of the lowest IQ quintile- plays up the purchase of Aisha. Let’s not forget, Mo’s first wife was a cougar, Khadija, an old woman, whose dowry and status made the Great Loony’s career, flying carpet and all. According to Wikipedia, he had 13 wives, 12 of them after Khadija, with whom he supposedly remained monogamous (psst, don’t mention the “official” concubines).

    That’s the problem Israel. You want to go out on a limb for the Moohslims. For Palestinians. Like our dear Alain Soral. You go from one extreme to the other. Reading your article, one gets the impression it is Jews who burned the Cathedral’s roof.

    That’s a stretch Israel. An awful stretch. Jews have given significant money to reconstruction. The Safra family from Brazil has pledged in two tranches a total of 40 million dollars. The Bettencourt Meyer family nearly the same. Jewish communities in America are also making pledges. You pick on one rabbi, the most rabid bigot among rabbis, and turn him into a spokesman for all of Judaism. For Torah, Talmud? Why stoop to the level of your antagonists?

    They always say Christianity is a religion for those simply not intelligent enough to handle the burden of the mitzvot. While I don’t endorse such a view (ok, sometimes I do, but everyone is fine with politically incorrect here, right?) your distortions make me wonder just on what grounds you converted to the faith of the nazarenes. Is it possible that you know close to nothing about Talmud Torah? If that’s the case, can you please have the Christian sense of honesty and stop using your own Jewishness as a claim to such knowledge? Even the popes have more respect, and always have had (from the first to he last.)

    Note that the nazarenes have abandoned the faith all on their own. Many have tried to burn the Torah, Talmud, and to discourage Jews from knowing Torah, we have persevered! No amount of suppression has succeeded against our faith. Why the nazarenes break so easily?

    Who has persecuted Christians in this way since the first two centuries of martyrdom? Are they so pathetic that they have to blame the evil Jewish intellectual? If so, it is a measure of their own faith (lack of) and/or the flawed message of Yeshua. The same people who have rejected the faith of their forefathers (the said nazarenes) are now either atheist, pagan, or just plain ignorant. Jews have had very little to do with this. It was the nazarenes themselves, and their churches that led them towards disillusionment. The transgression of which you speak, the weakening of their spirit, is upon their own shoulders, and if you were more honest, you could call them on it, since I assume you joined their sect out of conviction, even if you seem ignorant of the Talmud Torah.

    The philishtim are another issue. I will not deny that Israel bears a significant blood guilt vis a vis certain members of those who claim to be philishtim, but they too have dam naki on their hands, while Israel much less so. I am not dumb enough to follow the Zionist dogma hook line and sinker, but I suffer no sympathy for the philishtim, who in my mind are obligated to make room for Jews in Eretz Yisrael, and to cease their terrorism. Those who wish to take up the philishtim cause, blindly, with no constraints as to the behavior of philishtim, are outright idiots. You are not only enemies of Jews, and humanity, but peace itself. The day when people are more discerning, is when peace will come. Philishtim could have had a state long-ago, but they prefer dam naki, they prefer vengeance, they prefer murdering innocents. They act with no responsibility for their actions. You will claim Israel shooting “teens” charging a fence, is a crime. I ask you, how do you propose to defend a border. How!? In my countless posts on this issue, before two twitter accounts were censored, and another 4 stillborn through preemptive twitter policies afterwards, I posted pictures of clear right to shoot where borders are concerned. How do you propose to deal with border transgressions, when they are monumental, when they involve hundreds of thousands.

    that’s right, like your pesel Trump – by doing jack shit. Jack shit.

    The asham is on them, not on yehudim. They left the flock of their parent’s faith, its theirproblem. They are the first to know nothing of their ancestral faith, the first to decry it. Are we to rebuilt it for them? Can the nations do nothing without the Jews. Give me a break! Granted Jews are neither black nor white, but what of the nations? Are they only good or only bad? Where lies their responsibility?

  240. The terrible blaze in Paris should be an ominous warning for the French: Reconnect with your Church!

    That’s not how it works. If some billionaire offered to buy you anything you want for Christmas, if only you ‘reconnected’ with your belief in Santa, would you be able to make yourself believe?

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  241. FB says: • Website
    @AmRusDebate

    Good point about Rachel and Jacob…I remember this story well from my childhood Sabbath school days…I always remember thinking about that dirty trick of adding another seven years labor after Jacob completed the first seven…this raises serious credibility issues about Shamir and his claim to be a Christian…every Christian knows this story quite well…

    As for your statements defending the murder of Palestinian children by psychopathic Israeli snipers that take perverse delight in cowardice…I can only say that it is an eye opener to see such unapologetic ugliness and inhumanity staring at you from the printed page…I’m glad you have chosen to display your status as a subhuman publicly…I always say one of the great gifts of the internet is the ability to discover just how many profoundly worthless so called ‘human beings’ there are in this world…

    • Replies: @AmRusDebate
  242. @AmRusDebate

    Why is the Talmudic age of marriage complicated? Three years and one day, seems simple enuf. Or is it complicated like the mitzvah of burning down churches. And if Jewish money is going to rebuild Notre Dame it is going to be a holocaust museum. You make the whole thing sound like a psyop in Israel’s eternal war against the Philishtim and amalek.

    • Replies: @AmRusDebate
  243. @Art

    This “holy one” is very strange.

  244. “Well, in our contemporary understanding…”

    The jews you are talking about are European and they by and more than large white.

    That may be a tough truth to hear, but it is truth nonetheless. The constant attempt to distance jews from the dominant western population based on skin color is very strange.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @anon
  245. @Iris

    I think the answers [or causes] are a little more complex than mere ‘sugary drinks.’ Nature and evolution tend to follow logical progress and pathways, even if mankind doesn’t grasp its reasoning or principles. In that sense, we are a ‘result’ of what has come before us.

  246. Art says:
    @anon

    So Hillary said “Easter worshipers,” but didn’t specifically say “Christian Easter worshipers” as you demand.

    The Muslim terrorists did not attack Easter — they attacked Christians.

    When Obama and Hillary and the other Dems all use “Easter” something political is happening – PERIOD.

    Using the word “Christian” would in that story mean “victim” and in liberal speak, Christians cannot be victims, they are the world’s victimizers.

    Think Peace — Art

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
    , @Anon
  247. A123 says:

    The real reason for the fire explained in one picture:

  248. Art says:
    @AmRusDebate

    I will not deny that Israel bears a significant blood guilt vis a vis certain members of those who claim to be philishtim

    Give us a break – the Jews have been victimizing the Palestinians every day for over 65 years.

    Your sobbing for the Jews is disgusting. The Jews do not want peace – Israel is getting darker darker by the day. They have evil intent – and you know it.

    Think Peace — Art

  249. ““What a metaphor is:” ad hoc excuse-making for embarrassing scriptural passages. If it is embarrassing, it’s a metaphor! “So hurt and angered.” The constant refrain of retards who believe in Jewish magic, and are totally butthurt that their intellectual betters do not believe in Jewish magic. “You are wholly unaware of the christian dynamic.” So much for being hurt and angered. Can you stick with just one story for more than three seconds, . . .?”

    While I am an advocate of free speech. And you entitled to comment as you will. In comments to me, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from the use of colorful language.

    As to your comment.

    If you have examples where my responses to you have changed. you are welcome to pint them out. As i have previously responded. Your comments regarding the nature of marriage in the examples you note are metaphors. I explained why. The explanation has not changed one iota from any of the previous discussions regarding content or context.

    And as stated previously, even if one wanted to read the scriptures as all phantom and fantasy, say as one might read “Alice and Wonderland”, the references you have chosen would still be metaphors for the form of the relationship, not one that is physically literal. Now it is quite convenient to bounce around scripture as you do. But at each every turn, upon a even a brief look scripture the texts you reference contradict your arguments. Now clearly those with beefs with christianity will jump on the wagons you attempt to mount. But as was the case previously, after they themselves do some work, they quickly abandon your arguments as wanton of substance and accuracy.

    The christian dynamic is very simple.

    a. Christ died for the sins of men. (not at an unusual dynamic, people sacrifice for the sake other people everyday: parents to children, husbands to wives and vice versa . . .etc. In the case of christ the stakes were higher – my view)

    b. that anyone regardless of background who follows christ, accepts that sacrifice is reunited spiritually with god.

    c. and will by live a life in so accordance.

    Being a jew or an Israeli has nothing to do with it. Whether Notre’ Damme is rebuilt or not is inconsequential to the matter. What matters in this dynamic is that life and one generally relies on the New Testament as guide and the OT as reference. But before anything else — that relationship is personal one on one with him. It matters not what failures others have, what mistakes, what stupidity . . . that is secondary to you own walk. Misconstrue, warp, bend, break, scripture as so will. Call names. Shout holler, bemoan. Damn . . . gnash. ultimately, it’s about your relationship with Christ, regardless of what “voodoo” magic you claim christianity is.
    ————————-

    No. The references you note regarding scripture in this instance is a metaphor. And no christians are invited to enjoy all of the human pleasures that exist — but there is a context in which all said pleasure is appropriate within a particular frame. And you read enough scripture, including the OT and you find rather quickly — being a christian is no barrier to human expression and passion, just not everyone, any time and upon every whim — save in the context of marriage.
    ———————————————

    Laughing.

    Given the nature of your contentions — repetition is probably not an argument you want lay on others.

    • Replies: @Polemos
    , @Anon
  250. Anon[154] • Disclaimer says:

    Notre dome was an inside insurance job.I have Valerian steel to prove it

  251. Art says:
    @NoseytheDuke

    Early menstruation may well be initiated by chemicals mimicking hormones but that’s well out of my understanding so I’ll leave it to the expects to discuss.

    The first duty of a biological entity is to reproduce – it gives everything it has to that goal. Biologically, girls begin to reproduce at 13. When they begin at 9 – nature is saying to them “you are in danger of not reproducing – you must do it now.

  252. wayfarer says:

    ”Chabad and Noahide Laws Exposed!”

  253. @EliteCommInc.

    It is not a question of skin color.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  254. @Art

    It is only Jews who would “attack Easter or Christians as you put it.” Look! It is an airplane! An airplane hit the World Trade Center! An American Airlines airplanes with Muslim terrorist hijackers!

    • Replies: @Art
  255. @ploni almoni

    Excuse the previous mispost that 4 minute edit went by fast.

    “It is not a question of skin color.”

    Laughing.

  256. Seraphim says:

    You can’t deny that the Muslims do the same. Sri Lanka, anyone?

  257. Polemos says:
    @Giuseppe

    I’m not sure what you mean. Are you indicating that you are strictly talking about moral guilt?

  258. Polemos says:
    @Dave Bowman

    Thank you. How does this apply, then, to one nation invading another? Or do nations only exist as legal asinine entities, too?

  259. @AmRusDebate

    Quote: “I am not dumb enough to follow the Zionist dogma hook line and sinker, but I suffer no sympathy for the philishtim, who in my mind are obligated to make room for Jews in Eretz Yisrael…”

    Reply: As a smart and well-educated individual, you will not fail to spot the glaring and gargantuan contradiction in your above statement.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
    • Replies: @AmRusDebate
  260. roonaldo says:

    Early Christianity devolved, by way of organized religion, into Inquisitions, witch trials, and mass slaughter. Inevitably, Judaism and Islam devolved, as attested by Zionazism and Wahhabism.
    Amidst the carnage, a portion of a religion’s adherents feed the poor and attend to the sick, as a part of Hitler or Dick Cheney loves his mother. A ludicrous doctrine of celibacy for priests, etc., only degrades things further.
    Think for yourself, seek to understand the spiritual underpinnings of a creed, and run, don’t walk, from a priest or imam or rabbi with his head up his own and possibly someone else’s ass.

  261. Polemos says:
    @AmRusDebate

    Now to a few points you make. Rachel had been wedded to Jacob at age 7? Where, where did you get this!? This is a blatant falsehood Israel. Jacob sought the hand of Rachel, Laban obliged him to indentured servitude for 7 years. He was given Leah as his bride. A trick. Laban demanded another 7 years for Rachel. Jacob obliged. That makes for 14 years before marriage. Do the math.

    Kilford at #212 points out, linking to Quora.com, that Talmudic commentary posits Rachel’s age at marriage was 20 or 21. So, if that’s the case, then 20 or 21 minus 14 is about 7, right? Given that Jacob kisses Rachel and the narrator describes her as “beautiful of form and face” (Gen 29), it may be Shamir had this in mind for the entire discussion of changing sexual mores.

    Even Augustine’s devout mother thought marrying him to a prepubescent girl under ten was better than him shacking up with a postpubescent girl in her late teens, and we historically credit her Christian influence for converting him. Or at least he does, and people are free to disapprove of Augustine’s influence on Christianity.

    • Replies: @AmRusDebate
  262. E_Perez says:
    @Anon

    “When people look back on the fall of the modern world, they will wonder how and why it happened. And the reasons will be(not in any particular order):…”

    Yeah, they will wonder why it happened. And since they will have a little broader look on history, they will remember that we have been warned some 80 years ago.
    Warned that the tribe will destroy European culture and the whole white race and that the only way the “Jewish take-over” could be avoided is by separating them from the Aryans.

    So when “people look back” they will realize that the turning point was the Second World War. Without fighting Germany in WWII none of your points would have come to pass: No Feminism, no LGBT, no “diversity cult”, no mass immigration, no Jewish take-over, no negro jungle fever, no dominance of finance, no Globo-Homo degeneracy,…

    Without WWII Paris would still be French, in Rotherham no British teens would be violated, in Cologne no German women molested, etc

    WWII was end game for the white race.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  263. Polemos says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Do you think it is just for someone innocent to be killed in place of someone who not only has been found guilty but also admits their guilt?

    If that is just, why is it? If not, then why not?

  264. “Do you think it is just for someone innocent to be killed in place of someone who not only has been found guilty but also admits their guilt?

    If that is just, why is it? If not, then why not?”

    I need more of where these inquisitives come from. I just need a frame of reference as to relevance. In context of Pontius Pilate, he states te man was innocent and still decided to send him to his death. The attempt to cover the matter as a call by the public simply provides no avenue to wash his hands of his own decision.

    • Replies: @Polemos
  265. @E_Perez

    WWII was a continuation of WWI which was planned well before. Field Marshal Foch said as much after Versailles, “Nothing is settled, the war will break out again within 20 years”, he was out by just 3 months.

    • Agree: Iris
  266. Hibernian says:
    @Miggle

    Cromwell was bad for both the British and the Irish. He was crazy. He was a Cathedral vandal in England.

    Punishment of the Irish, circa 1640-circa 1985:

    In the 17th Century, at least; not sure when this ended; Catholic priests had a price on their head.

    As late as the early 1800s Catholics could not inherit or purchase real estate. The British were smart enough to know that this was a better way to encourage conversion to Protestantism and impoverish those who insisted on remaining Catholic than expropriating all Catholic owned land immediately.

    The form of land tenure that existed in the early 1840s on the eve of the potato famine was that the Irish worked as laborers on the large estates and received leaseholds on very small plots of land as part of their very meager compensation package, and grew potatoes on these plots to survive because it was the only crop which could sustain them on these small plots. A variety of food products were raised on the remaining portion of the estates on which the Irish worked. This food was for the most part exported until export was banned belatedly by the British.

    The Queen to her credit was reasonably sympathetic to the Irish when she realized what was happening. Large portions of the British establishment were not. The British official, with a Welsh sounding name, who was in charge of Ireland in the early stages of the famine, was exceedingly indifferent and cruel.

    Ireland was to a large extent depopulated as a result. Many came to the United State such as one great-great grandparent, two great-grandparents, and one grandparent of mine. (Other forebears were Polish or French.) Great opportunity awaited in the future, but poverty was there lot upon arriving and for quite some time afterwards.

    On the eve of WW1, the British Army officer corps blatantly threatened mutiny if Ireland were granted Home Rule, let alone independence.

    As late as the 1970s at least, specific jobs in industry were Catholic or Protestant jobs, in Ulster. No prize for guessing who got the better jobs.

    As for the French Calvinist Protestants, when they started out their oppressed minority status didn’t prevent them from forcefully disrupting Mass. With the passage of time they became influential. Then a King decided “Paris is worth a Mass” and there was indeed cruel persecution of the Protestants. Many left and many converted to Catholicism. However, conversion was not solely due to pressure from the authorities. There was a degree of true reform (the “Counter-Reformation) in the Church, which was represented by a priest, St. Francis de Sales.

    The first of my French ancestors in North America came to Canada in the early 1600s after leaving a town that had been given to the Calvinists.

    As to your second to last paragraph above, three out of six are true and if you substitute hanging for beheading it’s four out of six.

    Concerning the point in the third of your confusing triad of posts, the US was a good place to migrate to because it was a predominantly Protestant, almost entirely English speaking nation which, in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries at least, not so much in recent years, had its head screwed on straight, in contrast to the UK. Canada despite British rule but because of being in North America with abundant resources was OK. Many Irish people were shipped to Australia as convicts. As for the UK including industrial Ulster, the best that can be said is that it was nearby.

  267. Polemos says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    My apologies for not providing a context! You wrote about a simple dynamic in your Christian viewpoint, and gave (as bullet point? as premise? as first condition?) us this:

    a. Christ died for the sins of men. (not at an unusual dynamic, people sacrifice for the sake other people everyday: parents to children, husbands to wives and vice versa . . .etc. In the case of christ the stakes were higher – my view)

    I note that the move from ‘died for’ to ‘sacrifice’ is unclear, but being somewhat familiar with Christian theologies, I take it this dying/sacrificing for someone else’s sins only really works—and please get this is what we’re examining, since I’m not assuming it alongside you—if Christ is sinless or himself innocent. Do you also agree?

    You say people do this everyday, and perhaps that’s true: I see how innocent people are killed and murdered every day to keep criminals and immoral people from justice. I take it that’s why people strongly dislike Israel’s approach to manipulating the US, or specific US citizen-individuals, into supporting them, for example. Or when, say, the CIA kills or socially humiliates whistleblowers or truth-seekers. These things happen every day, and the cynics say it is everyday. But, you suggest a different kind of sacrifice of one for another, yet in all these cases the “dynamic” is still the same logically, isn’t it? That is,

    The innocent die so that the immoral live.

    Why support this? If I am guilty, shouldn’t I face my own punishment, and not someone innocent? Even killing a few doves or a baby sheep to cover what I’ve done seems like trying to beg off from what’s right, which is owning my own death, if we’re in a logic where death punishment abounds, which is the Logos the Christian tells us is precisely this world, that world where its Lord and Creator requires all sinners die for any violation of the Law.

    Even my baptism is still, as the man says, a baptism into death, my death. So it was no longer that man who lives, because he dies to the Law. By why isn’t he physically dead? Because the now resurrected innocent whom he asks us to also embrace owns him and uses his corpse, making him walk in new flesh. This magic works because of a certain kind of self-deception, where Paul can say it is no longer I, himself, who lives but Christ who lives. Otherwise, how else would it work had Jesus been as miserable a wretch as Paul, you, me, or any of us sinners?

    Do you grasp the context? I apologize if I am unclear. It’s not always a clear thing to ask about, because I think the entire thing is a huge paralogism designed to obscure an inherent injustice as the greatest act of a just judge (the ol’ evangelical image of the judge who jumps the bar to pay the fine comes to mind), built upon a mythology itself obscuring a much older spiritual conflict that wraps itself around so many cultures on this planet that unraveling the knots takes much time, grace, and genuine love. All of which is hard to get across on one tiny keyboard on a tiny screen on a tiny phone using my tiny mind. 😉

  268. renfro says:
    @Andre Citroen

    Pay no attention to the Pam Geller report. She’s an uber Jewish junk yard bitch….to say she hates Muslims and wants them all set on fire and burned alive is a huge understatement.
    She’s been the main leader, along with Richard Spencer and Frank Gaffney, of the Anti Islam movement. She and her cohorts travel all over the world ginning up Muslim hatred.
    She was a correspondent with the Dutch nut that killed 50 children to protest ‘immigration invaders’.

  269. Hibernian says:
    @ploni almoni

    Mom taught me English. Dad taught me math. Dad did not teach me Latin and I did not ask him to. I picked up a few Latin words from the Mass, just as I have picked up some Spanish from the bilingual signs on subway cars. I suppose a language being universal in the sense that it is widely used, even though very few people understand it, makes sense to some people, but not to me. This doesn’t mean it’s “dead,” it’s very important that a small cadre of scholars study it in order to read the Classics in the original and enlighten the rest of us.

    • Replies: @Hercule Poirot
  270. Anon[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    • EliteCon: Being a jew or an Israeli has nothing to do with it.
    • John 4:22: Salvation is from the Jews.

    I know you’re horribly embarrassed that the Jew Testament says that, but it still says that, and all your desperate lies to try to make it go away haven’t made it go away. You’re barking at your own tail, Jew-worshiper.

  271. Anon[214] • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    So Luxury Hotels are specifically Christian now too?

  272. not having the time, energy or wish to skim thru comments i luckily glanced a couple dealing with what has been on my mind… forgive if i repeat what might have already been said here.
    that Shamir has the chutzpah to mention the false prophet of arabia in the same sentence with our blessed patriarch Jacob, and the way he neglected to mention the 14 years of labor for the sake of Rachel, is all a case of intellectual dishonesty. he knows better, but he does not care about the facts if they get in the way of his version of truth. he is doing it on purpose. likewise when he writes about stalin or communism. … sigh.
    the French need to rethink about the enlightenment business if they are to reconnect with their church. you cannot serve two masters.
    the Jews, ever clever, it was to their advantage to help secularism efforts. therefore, the Christian is more to blame for abandoning the church and embracing the Jew. it is futile to blame him for being himself, anti-church. pardon for the generalization, just writing in the same vein as Shamir’s.

    • Replies: @anon
  273. Nonny says:
    @j2

    Can you give the details of one (not too insignificant) incident of the attack on Christianity that’s been going on for 400 years? A recent episode please.

    And is it an attack on Christianity itself, or on a particular sect that calls itself the only Church, such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the Rome-centered sect?

    • Replies: @j2
  274. @renfro

    You mean the Jew looking apparently non-Jew Robert Spencer and not Richard Spencer of the altright – different blokes.

    Which Dutch nut killed 5o kids? You don’t mean the Norwegian Breivik who killed 77?

    • Replies: @Andre Citroen
  275. “I know you’re horribly embarrassed that the Jew Testament says that, but it still says that, and all your desperate lies to try to make it go away haven’t made it go away. You’re barking at your own tail, Jew-worshiper.”

    Not in the least. Speaking of repetitious . . . we have dealt with this matter. If you can locate a single instance when either Jesus or scripture calls upon anyone to worship jesus before the crucufuction, you are welcome to note it.

    Sure, jesus was a jew. Sure jesus is the source of salvation (hence that salvation is from the jew reference) but no scripture calls upon anyone to worship jews and when one becomes a christian the notion is completely rejected by those former jews who spread the gospel. If my Mr Franks fixes someone’s broken leg. The person with the repaired leg might acknowledge, recognition of the Frank family.

    He or she might say, ” That Goodness for the Frank Family, they produced a doctor who fixed my leg.” Acknowledging that Jesus comes from that society is not the same as calling anyone to worship jews. Categorical distinction is important. The kind of hat trick you are on about might be called a fallacy of composition. The logical failure of ignoring key differences in variables at play and assuming their relations is all the same based on the same ignorance. It comes in many forms. It’s tactic you employ fairly frequently.

    Going so hasn’t improved you reading comprehension. Now I would have thought you might latch onto the argument between Peter and Paul on the jewish question. But in the end, it as all other scripture you reference eventually do when read — rejects your contention that Christians do anything about jews aside from aid to bring them the gospel. As even Peter acknowledges he was wrong by caving into jewish expectations.

    Nothing embarrassing about scripture. I am of course embarrassed for you.

  276. anon[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @anno nimus

    Our blessed patriarch Jacob? You’re a Jew? Or at least a pathetic Wannabee-Jew? You cannot serve two masters? So how do you serve France and Israel at the same time, which a Christian necessarily does, as his allegiance is to Jerusalem and he considers himself a Citizen thereof.

  277. “I note that the move from ‘died for’ to ‘sacrifice’ is unclear, but being somewhat familiar with Christian theologies, I take it this dying/sacrificing for someone else’s sins only really works—and please get this is what we’re examining, since I’m not assuming it alongside you—if Christ is sinless or himself innocent. Do you also agree?”

    If I understand you correctly, the question is about the unfairness of defending the guilty. People should be held accountable. The concept of self sacrifice is not unusual. And that makes way for anyone anyone to comprehend Christ. Note what Christ did was to save from spiritual death. And to do that fully, it is manifested in a complete submission to even the false accusations, trial and sentence of death by Pontius Pilate (even though Pilate thinks the man innocent). And the resurrection all physical indicators of Christ’s triumph over all death — and thereby triumph over sin. Now embracing that life does not mean christians are not accountable for their walk in this life. One still has to work to eat. And pay bills, obey the rules of living, apply the ten, the “golden” as it is often called, avoid relational immorality, etc. And when christians don’t, the same applies to others is applicable to them — but what is not held to their stead is the stain of spiritual death.

    Now that is my read of scripture – restoring one’s place with God. But unlike Christ, we fail and stumble often times as reminder to lean all the more on Christ. But I think how and this works is best left for one to search out by having these questions with God himself. Faith in christ, eyes on christ . . . because while christians are by and large fine examples, one might be distracted and dismayed when they stumble. There’s in a very heavy burden on anyone called to leadership.

    Anyway, I am not anyone’s source. But if one seeks answers — a conversation with god is not a bad way to go. And I have cannot explain why some people escape punishment for wrong. I whine about this myself. And I remain very bitter about some issue(s).

    Laughing. Even so I must acknowledge my own bitterness as error – a very grave error.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Polemos
  278. alan says:

    Israel Shamir, you certainly struck a nerve with this article. Many parts one could comment on, but:

    “And so the Church is forced to cleanse Herself, and the Jews are left alone, free to continue their self-destructive denouement.”

    As a ‘spotless bride’, believers are in a continuous state of corrections, cleansings, resurrections and ascensions. It is our assignment to continue to “… press toward the goal for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus”. [Philippians 3:14] To this, Yashua (Jesus, if you prefer) prophesied of Judaism: ” Let no fruit grow on you ever again.” Immediately the fig tree withered away. [Matt. 21:19] Judaism has proven the words of Yashua as truly prophetic, for it is a manifestation of “…the father of lies”. It is time to recognize Judaism, and all that call themselves ‘jew’ because of their ‘Judaism’, as the “…synagogue of satan” that scripture declares it to be. By the way, can anyone tell me the difference between ‘semitism’ and ‘Shemitism’. “You keep using that word ‘semitism’. I do not thin it mins what you thin it mins”. Shalom, Y’all. And a Joyous Resurrection to all who will accept it.

    • Replies: @anon
  279. Avalanche says:
    @wayfarer

    Sorry, but this woman is a fool. Or at least HUGELY careless in not bothering to learn ANYthing about fires before stating her idiocies!

    First:
    White smoke means a fire has MORE oxygen than fuel. It’s not “oxygen-starved.”

    Black smoke means a fire has more fuel and is short on oxygen (i.e. smoldering; if you knock a hole in a room/enclosed space where there is a smoldering fire (i.e., the fire is ‘gasping for oxygen’ caused it has already burned up much of what was in the room) — the fire expands wildly (thus, ‘flashover’: the firefighters’ term for when they open a closed space: the influx of oxygen makes the fire both ‘explode’ (not literally) and ‘chase the path’ of the incoming O2).

    (Black smoke may also may mean that the fuel the fire is ‘eating’ is petroleum based: that’s a *chemical-black* smoke. I rather expect Notre Dame was NOT full of petroleum products!)

    Second:
    That “strange orange glow” IS FLAMES!! She points to the Notre Dame and the 911 tower and says: “strange orange glow” — but it’s not strange; it’s ACTUALLY FIRE! Has she never sat around a bonfire at night? ORANGE!

    Could she have bothered to discuss any of her wild theories with … you know … an ACTUAL firefighter to learn all the stuff she clearly does not know about fire and fire fighting?!

  280. anon[402] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    The constant attempt to distance jews from the dominant western population based on skin color is very strange.

    lol, who is trying to do that?

    its that they have no loyalty to whatever country they inhabit, only to themselves

    with few exceptions they are not ever Americans or Swedes or Germans, they are always jews

    the problem is they often look similar enough to the host populations that the people are unaware they have a traitor in their midst – when Ilhan Omar says something hateful towards white people they just look and see she’s an african (mooslim) n*gger but when Ben Shapiro is down with the browning of the U.S. how many Americans realize he isn’t one of them?

  281. j2 says:
    @Nonny

    “Can you give the details of one (not too insignificant) incident of the attack on Christianity that’s been going on for 400 years?”

    In the beginning the attack on the Catholic Church focused mainly on Jesuits. The forgery Monita Secreta (1613) is just about 400 years old now. Later Jesuits were banned in very many countries. See e.g.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppression_of_the_Society_of_Jesus
    Originally the ban was because Jesuits tried to help enslaved American Indians in Portuguese colonies, so Portugal banned the order. Very soon after that Freemasons took the leading role in attacks against Jesuits, in the beginning it was Jansenites, a Protestant sect. Masons later modeled Bavarian Illuminati along the Jesuit order, which is the reason why Alexander Dumas in Joseph Balsamo (=Cagliostro) calls the conspiracy Jesuits. Naturally, the secret society of Joseph Balsamo was Egyptian Freemasonry, later known as Memphis and Mizraim Freemasonry, the one that almost made all Masonic revolutions. Freemasonry supporting the ideas of Enlightenment was for a long time a leading opponent of the Catholic Church. Later there were leftists, but notice that leftists evolved from revolutionary Freemasonry, like the Jacobins of the French Revolution.

    “A recent episode please.”

    The paedophile scandal.

    “And is it an attack on Christianity itself, or on a particular sect that calls itself the only Church, such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses or the Rome-centered sect.”

    It has mainly focused on the Catholic Church, but also on Christian beliefs. These opponents of Christianity pretend to support science, thus they support darwinism and in many ways try to show Christianity incorrect. There are valid arguments against these old beliefs and there are real scientists, who do not believe such myths, but these opponents (Freemasons, Kabbalists and such)
    only pretend: they actually are not atheists and scientists, they have their own religion, which is a mixture of Kabbalistic and other crazy religious beliefs, and they have been realizing a plan based on Biblical prophesies, the creation of new Israel and a new world order.

    I notice some degree of skepticism in your wording of the question to me, but I am always happy to help. Hopefully this explanation answered your question to a sufficient degree, if not, I can only advise you to study this and related topics from European history.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  282. @Daniel Rich

    oh ho ho . you are so smart! wow

    explanation for the daft.

    Eretz Yisrael is Jewish land. Philistim should submit to this.

    “Zionists” are a current of Israeli/diaspora thought, which follows Likud lead on all things Israel.

    I cannot deny the Torah. I can deny selective interpretations.

    I doubt you understand the difference.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  283. @FB

    You are conflating two things. Psychopathic child murder is not what I defend. Dont put words in my mouth.

    Bellicose youth, storming the border, after being given repeated warnings, are game. You’re completely out of it, if you imagine any other plausible methods of defending a border.

    • Replies: @FB
  284. @ploni almoni

    Why is it complicated? Take my word for it. Or take Shamirs. Your choice.
    Jewish money is not rebuilding the Notre Dame. Why are you people so dim!? Jewish money is contributing to it. So don’t slander all Jews with one nutty rabbi, because of something one person says, when many others are forking over cash.

    you people are illiterates. You can’t correctly read a paragraph.

  285. @Commentator Mike

    I found this in French which says pretty much the same thing as reported in the Geller piece. Work had not yet started on the restoration. The scaffolding was still being built.

    http://www.fdesouche.com/1192629-notre-dame-les-travaux-navaient-pas-encore-debute-seuls-les-echafaudages-etaient-en-cours-de-montage

  286. @Polemos

    He did not “kiss” in a romantic sense. That is obvious from the phrase. Quote from Likutei Moharan 12:1:11 “When Lavan heard the name of Yaakov, his sister’s son, he ran to greet him. He embraced and kissed him, and brought him into his home.”

    http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-category/jewish-texts/?p=1892

    https://biblehub.com/commentaries/genesis/29-11.htm

    So you guys can all relax.

    Jacob married Rachel in her twenties. He had indeed met her 14 years earlier.

  287. One should as a rule, be careful when taking age literally in the Tanakh.
    https://www1.biu.ac.il/indexE.php?id=14487&pt=1&pid=14391&level=0&cPath=43,14206,14372,14391,14487

    It is the work of the rabbis to explain incongruities and contradictions, not Shamir, nor anyone who is not versed in Torah study. You are free to distort things as you like, but your distortions have no validity.

    I believe the overall point I was making is too simple for some to grasp here. Even if you see yourself as opponents of Jewish power, supporting philishtimes is in no way a logical next step. You can criticize Israel, without becoming a useful idiots of Muslims.

  288. @Mulegino1

    Mulegino1, You are absolutely correct in refuting the propaganda statement you quoted.

    Ten years of keeping current with jihadwatch.org had me deceived by it’s ‘controlled opposition’ purpose of portraying Jews as victims of islam rather than exploiters of it as you correctly state.

    Robert Spencer is heroically courageous in addition to being a world-class intellect and he does a great service to mankind by publicizing the truth about the anti-Jesus pagan death cult that is islam.

    But the first clue causing suspicion of the deceptive nature of jihadwatch.org is the disgusting background of its sponsor David Horowitz, who as a young adult was the typical black-militant-violence abetting Jew and to this day is still a nauseating apologist for the murderous “Jewish Terror” that was the Bolshevik Jew revolution that created the Soviet Union.

    Kevin MacDonald’s brilliant insight here

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/06/06/guilt-tripping-the-europeans/

    While there certainly are Jews who strongly oppose the Muslim invasion of Europe (see, e.g., Phyllis Chesler’s comment on the statement), the strong support by the most important mainstream Jewish organizations for massive Muslim immigration even in the face of Muslim anti-Semitism indicates the extent to which they value the destruction of Europe and its culture. My view is that they the organized Jewish community, including the ADL, believes that Muslim anti-Jewish attitudes can ultimately be managed without causing a disaster for the Jewish community.

    is the first I saw of the conclusion you properly draw.

    Sadly, citing this truth to Mr. Spencer precipitates from him the name-calling “anti-Semite” which not only reveals his bias in his service to the Jews but also mischaracterizes me because, like Farrakhan said, “I’m anti-Termite.”

    • Agree: Mulegino1
  289. ” . . . its that they have no loyalty to whatever country they inhabit, only to themselves . . .”

    The constant refrain about who constitutes the bulk of european jewery is “they are not white.”

    That is nothing but an attempt to distance them from the bulk of europeans who are in fact,

    white

    just as most european jews are white.

    So to further distort the obvious, nonjewish whites who have issues with jews, spin on genetic rhetorical frames or some other construct so as to avoid the obvious.

  290. anon[104] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    And the resurrection all physical indicators of—a metaphor. Don’t take it literal. It’s just a metaphor, and I learned it from you. A sampling:

    • EliteComm, April 10, 2019: “The us [sic] of metaphor to acknowledge that by coming to Christ…”

    • EliteComm, April 10, 2019: “Here’s a secret . . . it’s metaphor.”

    • EliteComm, April 13, 2019: “…to provide evidence of who is and metaphor for…”

    • EliteComm, April 14, 2019: “The above is a metaphor.”

    Let me guess; you’re going to to start talking out the other side of your mouth now.

  291. anon[104] • Disclaimer says:
    @alan

    What man in his right mind wants to be the “bride” of a Jewish Rabbi, anyway? You need thrown in the bog.

  292. anon[393] • Disclaimer says:

    Blaze of Hate with a harvard degree:

    https://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2003/08/27/transfer-is-not-a-dirty-word-n976781

    Ole Adolph musta been right.

  293. @renfro

    There’s also a (largely Jewish) 501c-3 out of Boca Raton, FL whose agenda is opposition to Islam.

    Citizens for National Security https://cfns.us/files/Textbooks-Report-Summary.pdf mobilized an army of volunteers to comb textbooks used by Florida public school children to ascertain whether Islam was “properly” represented, i.e. sufficiently negatively.

    Those who are interested can browse the CFNS for themselves.

    Some interesting peculiarities and intersectionalities:

    CFNS’s (crazed-appearing) front-man is apparently a Christian, but most of the operatives are not.
    This may not be exclusively peculiar to Jews, but it certainly is SOP for many Jewish groups.

    CFNS operations are headquartered just a few miles from Parkland HS.

    Last week or so, Unz featured several articles about the appearance before Jerry Nadler’s congressional committee of Candace Owens, of TurningPoint USA. Owens is Black, articulate, and outspoken. She’s engaged to a white man, the head of Turning Point UK and heir to one of its major funder.

    Turning Point’s schtick is that it is Conservative; pro-Trump; supportive of Blacks and gays; anti-anti-gun.
    And also pro-Israel / pro-zionist / anti-Islam.
    While the various Unz articles that featured Candace’s sassy-talk, C Span focused on Owens’s exchange with Ted Lieu with special attention to her declaration that “Hitler was a homocidal maniac who killed 6 million Jews,” whereupon Owens’ wedding was pd in full. cha-ching.

    Major funders of TurningPoint USA include an investments-billionaire who had a come-to-Jesus moment in his mid-thirties; he’s now committed to evangelical causes and also is Islamophobic.

    Members of Turning Point’s Board of Directors and / or its advisors include Mike Leven, former head of Sheldon Adelson’s Sands corporation and also former head of Home Depot philanthropies (Unz readers may be aware that Home Depot co-founder Bernard Marcus is intensely committed to Israel and Israeli settlements.

    In Dec. 2018 TurningPoint US held a conference in Florida. Among the speakers was Kyle Kashuv, who was a student at Parkland at time of shootings but is opposed to gun legislation.
    The next-but-one segment after Kashuv fwas titled, F U-nity: Addressing Terrorism on Campuses with Sophia Witt, Director of Israel Outreach
    https://www.tpusa.com/sasagenda/

    Sooo — signals from my tinfoil hat suggest to me that TPUSA is a Jewish-financed group whose goal is to corner the youth vote for Republicans who will support the zionist project. Candace Owens is a a real find: a charming black face to put on the zionist project.

    (nb. C Span doubled-down on hyping Turning Point: On Apr 17 Washington Journal hosted TPUSA’s Rob Smith, a Black and Gay advocate for “Conservative,” pro-Trump principles.

    • Replies: @anon
  294. @Alden

    If you proclaim that “ there is but one God and that is the God of Israel” you are not a Christian because you deny that Jesus is God.

    What a weird response.

    Why would any thinking person assume that the “one God” is the “god of Israel” ?

    USA Declaration of Independence speaks of rights in which all are “endowed by their Creator,” not by the “God of Israel.”

    To the extent that Jews claim that their “God of Israel” ordained them as “the chosen people,” the “God of Israel” cannot logically be the same as “the Creator,” since the Creator is, obviously, the creator of all, while the God of Israel is extremely circumscribed.

    • Agree: NoseytheDuke
  295. @Rational

    The Talmud is NOT “… simply commentary on the Torah.”! It is a repudiation of God and God’s law.
    The Talmud is a radical departure from everything God said. When Jesus said “… you have heard …” that was the Talmud. In the second part of these statements, when Jesus – God incarnate – said “… but I say unto you ….” that was the Torah, God’s law.
    The Judeo-Christian Tradition – A Guide for the Perplexed by Dr. Gary North explains in more detail.
    Judaism Discovered by Michael Hoffman, Jr. is to the Zionists what David Griffin is to the NIST 9/11 liars, what Diana Johnstone is to the fans of Croatia and what Jack Cashill is to the TWA 800 FBI/CIA liars.

  296. @Hibernian

    Calvinists – Christians – did not start any wars and Christianity never “… led to almost 350 years of oppression in the land of 5/8 of my forbears (sic).” Do no confuse Roman Catholicism with Christianity: It is not. The papists deny the essential of Christianity: Salvation by the grace of God alone through faith alone and that not of works.
    In my experience, about 98% of the people who call themselves “Christian” can barely spell that word, never even hold a Bible except possibly once a week in “church”, do not see the Bible as the sufficient guide to life, will never read the Bible cover to cover, are totally ignorant of Christian doctrine, denominational distinctions, etc. My point is that the US military is NOT Christian (that also from my time on active duty), invading foreign people, even Muslims, is not a Christian act, the entire government of the US is anti-Christian, pushing the religion of evolution in service to secular humanists. You might argue that US law still has fundamental Christian elements such as “Thou shalt not murder”, but it is very plain that “abortion” – torturing babies to death – and “euthanasia” – killing the old or mentally retarded – are attacks on this remnant of civilization. I also argue that civilization is applied Christianity. In the end, the Kingdom of God will be all the government there is: men directly subject to God – Father, Son, and Holy Spirit – and not any collective of people who call themselves “government”.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Hibernian
  297. Anonymous[310] • Disclaimer says:
    @David Parker

    The US military is NOT Christian?

    A military Web site has removed a photo originally cleared by government censors of a tank in Iraq carrying the name “New Testament” on the barrel of its main gun….
    https://ethicsdaily.com/new-testament-tank-name-criticized-cms-5831/

  298. FB says: • Website
    @AmRusDebate

    I may have to take a shower after engaging with a subhuman…but controlling crowds of unarmed people without the use of deadly force is not exactly rocket science…so you can shove your bullshit about gunning down unarmed people being the only viable option…

    Israel has a right to exist in its internationally recognized pre 1967 borders and not one inch more…this is explicit in numerous security council resolutions which even the US could not bring itself to veto, since the entire postwar order is based on the lynchpin of the inadmissibility of territorial gain by means of war…

    Israel is also responsible for the humane treatment of people in its occupied territories…every principled person on earth, including most Jews I know recognizes these legal and moral realities…the Palestinians which you obviously hold in the kind of hateful contempt that only a psychopath expresses towards his victims made the mistake of trying to ‘negotiate’ with their occupier…

    There is nothing to negotiate…Israel must leave every inch of occupied territory and will do so sooner or later…its protector is clearly headed for the dustbin of history and from what I can tell, the future contains a lot of time…

    • Replies: @lavoisier
    , @AmRusDebate
  299. Blargest says:
    @Rational

    Good gravy, you are profoundly retarded. You shouldn’t use “Rational” as your name since you are anything but rational.

  300. lavoisier says: • Website
    @wayfarer

    Sometimes it’s hard to imagine, the courage and faith it takes, to “turn the other cheek.”

    But unless we learn to “forgive,” we’re never going to advance, spiritually.

    Those who are perpetrating the worst evil in our world are counting on this forgiveness to get away with murder.

    I want the murderers to face justice in this life. .

  301. lavoisier says: • Website
    @FB

    Israel has a right to exist in its internationally recognized pre 1967 borders and not one inch more…this is explicit in numerous security council resolutions which even the US could not bring itself to veto,

    Give Trump some time and he will find a way around these resolutions.

  302. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Felix Krull

    That’s not how it works. If some billionaire offered to buy you anything you want for Christmas, if only you ‘reconnected’ with your belief in Santa, would you be able to make yourself believe?

    That is the salient point, is it not?

    The church is dying because of science.

    • Replies: @anon
  303. @AmRusDebate

    You’re right. It all went right over my head. Who wrote the torah? Your mom?

    You’re superior complex is shining bright as ever. Good for you.

    You’ll doubt the veracity of my words anyway, don’t you?

    Target practice time. Damn! Where’s that Palestinian baby?!

  304. @FB

    Calm down a bit. You’re as hysterical as a thot on fentanyl. Did I mention anything about 1967 borders? About any land-grabs?

    Occupied territories? What century are you living in!?

    Unless you are referring to Abu Mazzen president of PA in some quaint oddball manner.

    I’ll leave the rest without comment. You clearly have no clue what you are talking about.

    • Replies: @FB
  305. For those who wish to put some grist on the mill.

    https://www.lejdd.fr/Societe/audrey-azoulay-patronne-de-lunesco-sur-notre-dame-macron-a-raison-de-placer-la-barre-assez-haut-3894105

    Mrs. Azoulay, French appointment to run UNESCO, has no concept of her organization’s role to protect monuments. A-OK to change Notre Dame architecture.

    A simple-minded opportunistic career-hack.

    Jewish to boot. Of Moroccan origin.

    Oh those sepharabs again. No relation to Ashkenazim, I assure readers (half-tongue in cheek, for blowhard – read “American or Russian” readers)

  306. FB says: • Website
    @AmRusDebate

    I see your comeback in the face of stark legal and geopolitical realities is trying to pretend facts don’t exist…what century am I living in…?…the century in which Israel is evicted from illegally squatting on occupied land…enjoy it while you can…

    • Replies: @AmRusDebate
  307. “And the resurrection all physical indicators of—a metaphor. Don’t take it literal. It’s just a metaphor . . .”

    That’s interesting, It’s clear I know what a metaphor is in scripture. I think I will have to wait and see of you know a metaphor is and what in means as to scriptural understanding. Scripture is “chocker block” full of metaphors. Those, if accurately represented, don’t even scratch the surface of the surface.

    • Replies: @anon
  308. Art says:
    @ploni almoni

    An airplane hit the World Trade Center! An American Airlines airplanes with Muslim terrorist hijackers!

    Hmm —- most of the American people would like to hear the rest of the story – the whole story about 9/11.

    Part of that story must be WHY we where attack in the first place. That part screams – JEWS!

    Also the part of who did the 9/11 investigation screams – JEWS!

    Do No Harm — Art

  309. anon[174] • Disclaimer says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    It’s clear I know what a metaphor is in scripture, indeed. You call anything embarrassing a “metaphor.” That’s your only standard for identifying a metaphor. If you’re not embarrassed by it, then it’s not metaphor. Interesting to observe, true.

  310. @Alden

    Election is the one and only qualification for being Christianity. All else is profession to which the elect will be drawn. If you aren’t, you aren’t.
    John Calvin was most definitely Christian. I have no idea where you get your information, but for me, the Holy Bible – any literal translation (1611 KJV, NASB, 1599 Geneva, ESV, etc.), and Calvin’s Institutes of the Christian Religion will dispel any possibility of any other conclusion. If you are assuming that the Roman Catholic organization defines Christianity, you thereby deny two essentials of Christianity – salvation by the grace of God alone through faith alone and not of works and the singular authority of the Holy Bible as God’s revelation of himself to mankind. Calvin’s argument with the papacy was their bloody response to the Reformation. When the Popes had military power, they did not hesitate to use it, they were quick to war and torture, much like the Jews – through manipulation of others – and the Muslims – often manipulated by the Jews in my humble opinion.

  311. Where do you get the notion that “… Jacob, the Biblical patriarch, surpassed him (Mohammed) and married Rachel who was only 7.”? Child brides are not biblical. Betrothals are one thing, consummated marriage is quite another thing – not at all biblical!
    Rachel, all by herself, was shepherding at least one flock of Laban’s sheep when she first met Jacob. There is no mention whatever of her age when she was finally given to Jacob but, if the Bible says anything about the age of Rachel, it is that Jacob worked seven years for her BEFORE he was deceived by Laban by being given Leah in marriage first and having to work another seven years to get Rachel:
    “Genesis 29:20 And Jacob served seven years for Rachel, and they seemed unto him but a 1 few days, because he loved her. 21 ¶ Then Jacob said to Laban, Give me my wife, that I may go in to her: for my term is ended. 25 But when the morning was come, behold, it was Leah. Then said he to Laban, Wherefore hast thou done thus to me? did not I serve thee for Rachel? wherefore then hast thou beguiled me? 26 And Laban answered, It is not the 1 manner of this place, to give the younger before the elder. 27 Fulfill seven years for her, and we will also give thee this for the service, which thou shalt serve me yet seven years more. 28 Then Jacob did so, and fulfilled her seven years, so he gave him Rachel his daughter to be his wife. 29 Laban also gave to Rachel his daughter, Bilhah his maid to be her servant. 30 So entered he in to Rachel also, and loved also Rachel more than Leah, and served him yet seven years more.” 1599 Geneva Bible

    • Replies: @Hercule Poirot
  312. The prophet Muhammad married nine-year-old Aisha, but Jacob, the Biblical patriarch, surpassed him and married Rachel who was only 7. In our modern world Jacob and Muhammad would be hunted down, extradited and jailed. It is possible that even better-placed Persons would not fare well when faced with today’s enlightened justice: the Mother of our Saviour was just 14 at Annunciation.

    I have always maintained that you Mr. Israel Shamir are a real Jew in sheep clothing. Basically, with the above statement of the Prophet of Islam you are doing two Satanic thingy.

    1. You are poisoning the people mind that Islam is bads as the Satanic Talmudist.
    2. You are implying that the Prophet is pedophile.

    There is no evidence in Islam that Mohammad married Aisha at age six and consummated his marriage to her at age nine. It is further claimed that Mohammad didn’t obtain Aisha approval for this marriage as her silence was considered as approval.

    Where is the proof for all this. At the onset of Mohammad’s death, while his body was still warm and not buried, Islam was hijacked by the Jews. The Qurans were burned, and especially the Traditions were all completely burned as it was claimed that we have the Book of Allah (Quran) and there is no need for Traditions (Hadiths). The Quran was tampered with and the Arabic Quran we have in our homes today is not in order of revelation. Neither the Suras (Chapters) in the Quran are in chronological order nor the Ayas (verses) in the Quran are in chronological order of revelation thus changing the meaning of Quran. Further, the Quran was descended in Quranic Arabic, a miracle but it was changed to market Arabic and all other copies burned. Eighty years later it was put back in to Quranic Arabic.

    The Traditions (Hadiths) were burned at the onset. They were cooked, recooked and cooked again to please the Caliphs and destroy Islam. About 250 years later these Hadiths were compiled by Bukhari from Bukhara. A blind and non Arab, who has never heard about Chinese Whispers. In these Traditions Aisha is singing her own songs. Where as, in the Quran it is mentioned that she is a liar and destined for hell… In Quran she is compared to the nasty wives of Noah and Lot, who are both destined for hell too.

    Stop spreading Islamic Phobia…

    • Replies: @Hercule Poirot
  313. @AmRusDebate

    Islam – the religion of the lowest IQ quintile- plays up the purchase of Aisha. Let’s not forget, Mo’s first wife was a cougar, Khadija, an old woman, whose dowry and status made the Great Loony’s career, flying carpet and all. According to Wikipedia, he had 13 wives, 12 of them after Khadija, with whom he supposedly remained monogamous (psst, don’t mention the “official” concubines).

    Quit lying about Islam. Here are your lies:
    1. That Mohammad married Aisha at the age of six and consummated the marriage to her at the age of nine, without her verbal or written approval. According to her the Prophet took her silence as content. She basically, singing her own songs. You should read what the Quran narrates about her.

    2. No Khadijah was not old and definitely not rich. Mohammad was married to her for 27 years until the age of 52, and 10 years later he passed away at the age of 62-63 years. Khadijah was imprisoned for 3 years and she was starved to death in her imprisonment.

    Now coming to Judaism, it is full of cheating, lying, back stabbing and so forth. Here are few examples from TaNaKh (Old Testament) and not Talmud. BTW, I can quote the full TaNaKh if you don’t quit spreading lies about Islam.

    1. Jacob and his mother cheated his dad and she cheated her husband. Yes, I am aware of yetzer hara yetzer hatov. What a role model is Jacob for Jews.

    2. Here is a more juicy one. David covets the neighbor’s wife, commits adultery with her, connive to kill her husband and then steals the neighbor’s wife. Breaking four major Commandments, and what does God do. He gets angry, kill 70,000 innocent Jews, kills the innocent bastard baby of David. Then God regrets what He has done in anger, so he blesses David with Solomon and Riches. David had 1,000 wives and concubines.

    3. And now, Jews worshiping the Star of David, who were basically “Cow Worshipers”. Don’t know which is better!

    Enough said!

  314. @David Parker

    Rachel, all by herself, was shepherding at least one flock of Laban’s sheep when she first met Jacob. There is no mention whatever of her age when she was finally given to Jacob but, if the Bible says anything about the age of Rachel, it is that Jacob worked seven years for her BEFORE he was deceived by Laban by being given Leah in marriage first and having to work another seven years to get Rachel:

    Another example of cheating and back stabbing. Maybe, Laban was practicing Kol Nidre at each Yom Kippur for 7 years:

    “Kol Nidrei night”. It is written in Aramaic, not Hebrew. Its name is taken from the opening words, meaning all vows. The formula proactively annuls any personal or religious oaths or prohibitions made upon oneself to God for the next year, so as to preemptively avoid the sin of breaking vows made to God which cannot be or are not upheld.

  315. @Hibernian

    Mom taught me English. Dad taught me math. Dad did not teach me Latin and I did not ask him to. I picked up a few Latin words from the Mass, just as I have picked up some Spanish from the bilingual signs on subway cars. I suppose a language being universal in the sense that it is widely used, even though very few people understand it, makes sense to some people, but not to me. This doesn’t mean it’s “dead,” it’s very important that a small cadre of scholars study it in order to read the Classics in the original and enlighten the rest of us.

    Yes, you are right that Jesus was blond and blue eyes, who spoke Greek and Latin. During the times of Jesus, Hebrew was a dead language (dormant) and Jesus spoke and his disciples spoke Aramaic to each other. Have you ever wondered why the New Testament is neither in Hebrew or Aramaic?

    Because at the time of Jesus, all Semitic languages, such as Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic were not evolved enough for writing. Even at the time of Mohammad these languages were not evolved enough for writing. These languages were and still are bazaar Arabic, and each bazaar is different from another bazaar. How many versions of English languages we have today!

    Quran is a living miracle, with it came the Quranic Classical Arabic language with full strong grammar. The Quranic Arabic is still taught in the Universities for Linguistic students of Arabic, no matter what their religions are. This Quranic Classical Arabic had no change to it till today. Still up to high schools the bazaar Arabic is taught and also in Universities to the students of non-linguistic students. The TaNaKh (Old Testament) in Hebrew was put pen to paper from Quranic Classical Arabic during 12th to 15th centuries.

    Do you ever wonder why Jesus was always accusing the Scribes and Pharisees?

    And, the dormant Hebrew was revived in late 18th century, again from Quranic Classical Arabic.

    • Replies: @Anon
  316. anon[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Right now they are fighting for them in Iran and Syria

    Not long ago the Jews fought for them in Iraq .

    not sure what you’re getting at as fighting for the U.S. isn’t fighting for Christianity and besides that the jews are incredibly underrepresented in the military, serving at only about 25% the rate their population would indicate iirc – hardly patriotic

  317. anon[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @lavoisier

    That is the salient point, is it not?

    The church is dying because of science.

    and judaism and islam?

  318. @Hercule Poirot

    The prophet Muhammad married nine-year-old Aisha, but Jacob, the Biblical patriarch, surpassed him and married Rachel who was only 7. In our modern world Jacob and Muhammad would be hunted down, extradited and jailed. It is possible that even better-placed Persons would not fare well when faced with today’s enlightened justice: the Mother of our Saviour was just 14 at Annunciation.

    Mr Israel Shamir, you are well known as a Tulmudi Wolf in the Christian Sheep clothing. You are a gatekeeper and not fooling anyone. I am pretty sure that you remember The Spanish Inquisitions. Look at the way how you have constructed the above narration. You very well knew that Rachael must be at-least 20 years old, when Israel (Jacob) married her. He had to wait for 14 years, and I am sure that Jacob didn’t fell in love with her while she was still in her cradle. You knew that you would be corrected, and only one holding the bag as Pedophile is the Prophet of Islam.

    It is not the first time that you have shown your true colors and clothing. And, it won’t be the last either….

    • Replies: @anon
  319. anon[188] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hercule Poirot

    Mr Israel Shamir, you are well known as a Tulmudi Wolf in the Christian Sheep clothing. You are a gatekeeper and not fooling anyone.

    lucky for us Hercule Poirot was on the case and sniffed it out

    Poirot was too clever to be fooled by Shamir

  320. ” You call anything embarrassing a “metaphor.” That’s your only standard for identifying a metaphor. If you’re not embarrassed by it, then it’s not metaphor. Interesting to observe, true.”

    This comment makes no sense. I am not embarrassed about scripture at all. Metaphor, implicit, explicit or whatever rhetorical device is play. The standard meaning for metaphor is as follows and I thought I had addressed this previously. I previously posted the entire page. I guess the articles author was disturbed by the length. I don’t agree with the entire compedium of examples, but there are plenty.

    Metaphor Defined (with examples),

    http://www.literarydevices.com/metaphor/

    Now if you are talking about the metaphors previously referenced. I stand by them as metaphors.

    Note: You seem to be suggesting that I think all of NT is a metaphor. That would be false. There is plenty of direct literal meaning on display. And I am no more embarrassed by them as I am any other aspect of scripture.

  321. “” You call anything embarrassing a “metaphor.” That’s your only standard for identifying a metaphor. If you’re not embarrassed by it, then it’s not metaphor. Interesting to observe, true.”

    Not embarassed that I understand that when Jesus says,

    “I am the good shepherd and the sheep follow me, for flock know the sound of my voice.”

    He does not mean people are literally sheep.

    Metaphors can be tricky.

  322. Anon[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hercule Poirot

    Because at the time of Jesus, all Semitic languages, such as Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic were not evolved enough for writing. Even at the time of Mohammad these languages were not evolved enough for writing

    Huh?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshitta

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls

  323. Polemos says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    I feel that I am asking questions about one thing and you are responding about something else. This happens, when we’re differently engaged in the path.

    As it goes, I think you are a good source for what you think, and that’s why I asked you, so there’s no need for humility in suggesting I go to God about biblical claims and not you, who suffers his humanity with a pleasant disposition.

    Maybe one day the questions I asked will come back around, but in the meantime, keep seeking justice over pride.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  324. aandrews says:

    Another French Church Burns on Easter Sunday, Also Named “Notre Dame,” Police Say Arson

    Andrew Anglin
    Daily Stormer
    April 24, 2019

    Another French church named Notre Dame has caught on fire.

    Although unlike Notre Dame de Paris, the authorities are openly admitting that Notre Dame de Grace was a target of arson on Easter Sunday.

  325. Hibernian says:
    @j2

    “… Jansenites, a Protestant sect.”

    Jansenism was a quasi-Protestant movement within Catholicism.

    • Replies: @j2
  326. Hibernian says:
    @David Parker

    I’m not going to argue with an arch fundamentalist.

  327. @Polemos

    Hmmmmm . . .

    ok. You have disarmed me.

    I will do my utmost to tackle the matter head on.

  328. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alden

    It’s pretty well established that Calvin was an orthodox Trinitarian. He famously had the Spanish polymath Michael Servetus burned at the stake for heresy in Geneva because of Servetus’s unitarian beliefs.

  329. “Maybe one day the questions I asked will come back around, but in the meantime, keep seeking justice over pride.”

    These “pride” “justice” are not competing attributes. I have reread my comments and as far as I can tell. I have addressed them head on.

    There’s not much pleasantness about my disposition. I only that what bitterness I have must be acted on or I will be lost for sure. We make a bid deal about hate these days in this country. i don’t care that much about hate. People are entitled to how they feel. But I do know that any acts of hate that in any manner damage or hinders another person’s rights as a citizen is a violation of the law.

    Scripture has a much higher standard.

  330. j2 says:
    @Hibernian

    “Jansenism was a quasi-Protestant movement within Catholicism.”

    Thanks for the correction. Would you not say that Martin Luther was quasi-Protestant within Catholicism in the beginning? I mean, all protestant movements originated in Catholicism as opposition, protesting.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  331. @FB

    You completely misunderstood me. I am not defending the abuse of Palestinians. I am taking arms against blanket Islamophilia, Arabophilia, Palestino-latry.

    My own history shows an acerbic critical take on Netanyahu, Likud and on Diaspora politics. Just look at my suspensions archive on bannedfrommedium.wordpress.com. You can even apologize, if you are man enough.

    My political line is straightforward. Don’t go from one extreme to the other. Just because Israel dominates you domestically, doesn’t mean Arabs are your friends. I mean grow up. This is the real world. You aren’t gonna have your cake and eat it. It’s a question of trade-offs. You want the Saudis and French at your throat?

    Muslims are not your allies in any conceivable terms. Don’t waste time defending them. It’s a strategic mistake and paints you into a corner. Be smart enough to distinguish criticizing poor Israeli policy, without going over to the other side. I can’t expect you to understand Israel’s predicament, nor to even attempt to explore the Israeli point of view. I wish Unz had a writer who does that. I can merely give you a brotherly warning that you are not being smart.

    All over the world, the philishtime Muslims are terrorists. Thugs. Arab “youth”. Christian Palestinians are evenly split between pro-Israeli anti-Israeli, but they tend to be nuanced. They understand what I’m sorry to say your ignorance doesn’t. They understand they are between a rock and a hard-place, and they prefer the rock of Israel, on average, to the hard-place of the PA, Hamas, Fatah, Islamic Jihad.

    Palestinians, Arabs, Muslims, don’t give a rat’s ass about you, your civilisation, your travails. They are, if you haven’t noticed by now, on the hard left of all politics, hard-left and anti-racist. They use you, and toss you like the useful idiots you choose to make yourself.

    Numerically, they are part of the brown flood from the south. How blinkered do you have to be not to see this? How dumb are all the commentators here who think that by vitriol against Israel, you’ve resolvd the single biggest problem of our generation, the Southern Flood.

    Give me a break! I wont even comment on this anymore, if all I get is moronic pro-Arab bleating from unhinged SJW.

    Speaking of manlet, SJW reflexes. We are commenting on UNZ, and not CNN or nytwit times, please do me a favor and stick to Unz standards. You have your speech, I have mine. Don’t come after me and vilify me for being transparent and honest. Don’t give me your knee-jerk MSM inoculated hysteria about how evil, and terrible I am.

    Control yourself a bit. Be a man. Accept that I have my view. Don’t go into overdrive vilifying it. I actually agree with significant portions of Shamir’s take. I am not here to bend over and Amen everything he says, and my respect is shown through dialogue I have a mind of my own, as my own writing shows and the least you can do, is show that on Unz, the standards are higher. Otherwise, go and comment on the mainstream blogs, where conformist hysteria is the norm.

    that said, Trump himself is authorizing use of force on the border. Which is the only reasonable approach. The casualty is then on the side which charges the fence, not on the shooter. If you don’t agree, that’s great for you. In that case, crawl back into the donkey’s ass where you belong, with your woke groupies who couldn’t change a light-bulb if the DNCs life depended on it.

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  332. oh, and lest I get the “but Jeeeeeeeeeeeews are the ones who are the most pro-left. Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeews are the ones who destroy our civilisation”

    Yes, I can see how they numerically invade you. How they rip you to shreds with terrorist acts. How they burn your Cathedrals. Yah, I can see the seriousness of your claim.

    For all the criticism of the Organised Jewish community, and I have myself engaged in vitriolic debates with my conspecifics on this issue, the nations also owe us a great debt. It is not arrogance to say this. America would not be America without us. We made you into who you are today. Your Christmas songs, all of your television classics from the 30s and up. All your franchises on the screen. Everything you are. Wont even mention music. So before you start your litany of Jew-hatred, first admit that there is also a credit side to the equation. Before you go over to the Arab who will sodomise you, think twice, think hard.

    You owe such a debt. Your own inexplicable laziness, dullness, is to be blamed for your inability to organize yourself in a manner that would negotiate with Jewry, a respectful nationalist agreement.

    You have only yourself to blame. Your knee-jerk hysteria. Your knee-jerk categorical extremism. Your ignorance on virtually every issue. You hate the Jeeeeeeeeeeews but you want the Jeeeeeeeeeeew to organize it for you. Don’t you? You need the Steve Miller, the Shamir, the Atzmons, the AmRusdebates. On your own, you can’t do anything. Even Andrew Anglin, can’t operate without Weev. You can’t formulate an intelligent position on race, you need Eric Kaufmann to do it.

    Why? Why if in you razibkhan world-view you are all so high-IQ? So smart? Such culture-creators? Why do you suck so bad, you have to go and suck the Arabs!?

    Bullshit, blowhards, buffoons! Go engage your libtard brethern, your WASPish do-gooder elites, See why they and not the Jews, stabbed you in the back. Could it be that its because you are not a plausible party to any kind of deal? Could it be the ignorance which makes you into a parody? Who shat on your country from the get-go? Was it the assimilating Jews of the 19th century, who helped you build the first, and only real Klan? Was it the Jews who screamed for abolition? Was it the Jews who screamed for equality? Was it the Jews who brought in the initial hordes of Slavs, Italians, and Eastern Europeans? Or was it your do-good Anglo-Protestant save-the-world Plymouth-rack babbling idiot types? Your Andrew Carnegies, and Rockefellers, who needed infinite labor?

    Your little Quakers, Unitarians, Methodists, Episcopalians, etc.?

    You see, you talk a tall tale about the Jews, but Jews were the most patriotic, most fundamentalist element of the Western Frontier, it wasn’t until they were infected with your nitwit protestant do-gooder Kantian World Peace ethic that it became obvious to them that Edom could not tie its own shoe-lace, let alone be trusted with anyone’s security.

    You hate Jews, because we take care of ourselves. We end up hating you, because you are not a party to a reliable agreement and you persecute us for it. You cannot be counted upon to preserve not only us, but yourselves, and then you turn it against us and blame us for your demise. Logically you are dealt an extinguishing blow from Hashem. You bring it upon yourselves. You are grown-up children, and the Earth has no room for your stupidity. You can worship the Arabs, for unlike you, they know how to fight.

    Jews are not responsible for White Self-Hatred. You are. Your own inability to be White and clean-shaven and tattoo free. Whiteness was reduced to a mere fringe identity, a Neo-Nazi swastika toting brain-dead jail-bait by Whites, not Jews. Even the Arabs have nothing to do with this. When survival is a binary choice of NRA(guns) vs. SJW, of course you have to blame the Jew! Since you only know two options, conform or murder, what is it, other than whine, that is left for you to do. You can’t actually do anything constructive can you? That’s clearly not an option, is it? It’s either hate or love. Murder or submission.

    But blame the Jews! Blame the Jews for you not having an identity for which you yourself are not willing to stand up for, other than by means of violence, whinning, or self-negation.

  333. Regarding Rav Aviner .

    Let me explain. Since the literalists here get carried away. Aviner is a fundamentalist. This means, as in all cases of fundamentalism, that he interprets things as he sees fit. Not as his hiearchs, or peers see fit. He cherry pics from the huge corpus of Judaica, what serves his purpose, and ignores emendations, rectifications, admonitions of his peers, even basic rules of Talmudic precedence. Even the most radical rabbis on the right, would not read the passages the way Aviner does. Aviner’s fundamentalism is his selective literalism, just like those who parade him out as a paragon of Judaism (Shamir and the one’s commenting here)

    This doesn’t invalidate all of what Aviner says. Aviner has a right to his interpretation, he has a right to his voice. The same right that allows us to comment here on Unz. We don’t have to agree with Aviner, but we should be able to express how and why, and we challange the claim that Aviner represents Judaism.

    Let’s begin with the gist of Shamir’s claim. Do Jews rejoice in the burning of the Notre Dame? Does Aviner represent Jews? Please, people!

    Of course not. that was the point of bringing up the question of Jewish donations to its rebuilding. There are Marxists who cheer the burning, but only a handful of Jews who join them. The vast majority of Jews are appalled, and share in the pain of this conflagration. In fact, a cursory overview of thee world’s reaction, is one of Global, almost total sympathy. The largest community to cheer the burning is the Islamic, but even there, you can clearly distinguish a minority sentiment. Not where Pariss’s outskirts are concerned. There it is a majority, and they are rightfully known as filth. But in Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Indonesia, Bangladesh, you can see the outpouring of support. (maybe not Maghreb, there you see the hatred). Jews? Jews are 99% shocked. Same can’t be said about Christian white-boys of Antifa, of Marxism/Anarchism of DissidentNews and comp.

    Now, is there a genuine historical animosity between Judaism and Christianity?

    You bet!

    Is Aviner a relic of this animosity?

    You bet.

    Should we freak out, that such relics exist?

    No more than Jews should freak out that some wish to deny us the suffering of the Holocaust.

    For if you are now appalled by the Aviners, imagine how we feel when you spit and trivialize the suffering of Jews in the Holocaust.

    Yet you expect us to put up with it, out of respect for your freedom of speech.

    In that case, don’t cry us a river over Aviner’s take on Notre Dame.

    Historically, Jews were persecuted by your churches. Fact or Fiction?

    The laws begin with Theodosius, and run the gamut of the middle ages. Do you not know those laws? Their appliation? Or am I adadressing ignorant audiences again!?

    Nowhere in Christendom was there a set of tolerance for Jews which did not seek to denigrate us, didn’t seek to make us grovel like dogs. Didn’t seek to vilify us. We were “Christ killers” and I find it completely normal, rational, and acceptable that some of us hated your churches for it. It is incomprehensible that any of you would be shocked, that yes, we took offense, yes, we found other polities more amenable, and yes, occasionally some Jews engaged with war upon you. You mean that there should be no historical causality period!?

    That’s history. Bygones are bygones. You yourselves are no longer Christian. You’ve seen the absurdity of Christian dogma. You yourselves know less of your own Christian monuments than do culturally educated Jews who visit them, on average, more so than you do. It makes sense, you see, that as Jews we remember history. It makes less sense when you go and desecrate your own gran-parents beliefs. It is not Jews who blabber on about paganism, Wotan, Celtic druids etc. That’s your own thing. Last I checked, Jews did not partake in any of it. It is not Jews who stand up and say “Christianity is bollocks”. As a rule, Jews speak of the persecution of Christianity, the animosity. That’s historically accurate, that’s not just “bollocks”. The bollocks is your guys cousins, you yourselves, that yap and yap about the stupidy of Christianity. For Jews, its a question of animosity, not yapping about inanity of the annunciation or incarnation, etc. Yes, see the difference, or is this kindergarten?

    Throughout the ages, those who worshiped Christ, relentlessly persecuted Jews, a fact. Another fact, is that the same people achieved tremendous artistic accomplishment. Jews are more aware of it than most of you intellectuals whose ancestors are Christians (but you yourself are the first to strike at your ancestors faith). Jews, on average, know more about this art, its Christian tropes, than you do. That facet of Christianity, the Artistic one, is one that Jews cherish far more than you actually seem even capable of. That is a part of Christianity that we can identify with, into which we project the term Judeo-Christian, quite proudly.

    Anyone with any familiarity with Talmud Torah knows where Aviner is coming from, but none of us can identify with it. The injunction to destroy the houses of worship of the idolaters. Read your Old Testament folks. It’s an injunction which falls upon you as well, and that is why Theodosious and comp. literally destroyed your Greek Pagan temples, and a good number of Synagogues to boot. As a result of which, Judaism has its own ambivalent take on Christianity. Is it idolatry? Yes. Are Christian’s idol worshipers? No.

    Aviner only sees the first part. A sign of his literalism, and literal looniness. There is virtually no more than 100 Jew on the face of the planet who could sympathize with Aviner. It’s absolutely beyond us. So please, cut us some slack, unless your own fundamentalism really wants us back in the middle ages, ignorance and all.

    Please read this, instead of my opinion, or the rather lacking opinions of Shamir (where Judaism is concerned, not necessarily Jewish political dynamics):
    https://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/opinions/maimonides-islam-good-christianity-bad-muslims-bad-christians-good/2013/11/15/

    Lastly, pace Rambam actual characterization of Nazarenes is shituf. Since none of you have the slightest knowledge of how Talmud Torah is actually studied, Rambam’s opinion is not the only one to be considered on such issues. Where Aviner is a pathetic cherry picker (although a necessary one) is that he chooses to ignore Hameiri and The Rema.

  334. @AmRusDebate

    FFS! What’s with all the “be a man” crap? Your attempts to justify the unjustifiable are pathetic. Did your Rabbi bite off too much of your wee wee as a baby?

    One doesn’t have to love Arabs or Palestinians to be able to see that Israel’s conduct is not conducive to peace anywhere in the world. I would wager that the issue for a great many Americans is that they are more concerned about Israel’s interference in the affairs of the US, to its great detriment I must add, than to that of love of either Arabs or Palestinians. Most fair minded people believe that they are entitled to fairness and dignity in the land that they have lived in for centuries, if not millennia. The mind boggles at what might have been achieved in Palestine had just a fraction of what has been spent on war-making been spent on improvements instead in the region for the benefit of all.

    You rabbit on about terrorism saying that “All over the world, the philishtime Muslims are terrorists.” but even my dog knows that it was Israel that has used it more frequently in modern times than any other nation, relying on media lies to blame it on others so man up yourself and don’t think for a second that your bullshit lying is likely to gain any traction here, because it won’t.

    It is very telling that you try to use the Nazi card against FB, he is a very clear critic of the National Socialist Party of WWII Germany. Try again with more effort next time, loser.

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  335. geokat62 says:
    @AmRusDebate

    Doreen Dotan, is that you?

    starting @ 12:01

    And someone later on found it politically expedient to talk about some kind of falling the crumbs from the table. He talked of the Gentiles in terms of being the swine that he would not throw his pearls in front of. So, at best, you are those who are eating from the crumbs of the crumbs of the misunderstandings of our table. Don’t dare to presume that you’re the masters of the house. Know your place. Our tradition is not Navajo territory. It’s not Apache territory. You cannot take it by force. I do not share your delusions about yourself that you entertain. In my eyes, you’re people who are living on the land that you have no title to, practicing a religion you have no title to and no understanding of. Eating synthetic foods, taking drugs, drinking, and basically being pathologically delusional…

    Being as that’s the case, I feel some kind of moral responsibility toward you, as one would toward any progeny that just sort of happened along the way. Because even among progeny that sort of happens along the way, sometimes a wunderkind is born and for the sake of them it’s worth reaching out and embracing them and trying to bring them back into the real tent of Israel…

    I’m here to save your asses, at great expense to me. Because every minute I give you is less of a minute that I’m sitting and writing in Hebrew… (sucking her teeth) that’s right… this is strictly a mission of mercy…

    Your alternative to taking the very good advice that I’m offering to you in these videos is either the caldera, which will smoke you out of your reverie or the rats that are overtaking your cities [she must be referring to Seattle Washington. See Seattle Is Dying

    There is every chance that Trump is not going to be able to save your society. The revelations of his attachments to Epstein are going to cause him legal tangles. My understanding is that young girls were also brought in from Slavic countries into the modeling agency that he owns. I’m very sure that Trump was not involved in the worst of what was going on in the Epstein circles. Yet and still I also know that the circle of billionaires in the world is a small circle and they all hobnob with one another and they are dependent upon one another. And there is a limit to what he can do. So long as you are holding onto Christianity, you’re not allowing God’s blessing to come down to your level. You are effectively blocking it. Every time you call out in your idolatry, the supernal mothers recoil in horror… they turn their faces away from you. That is precisely why this winter is as harsh as it is. Hashemesh the son is pinay Sarah that is to say “the face of Sarah.” It’s also enay Sarah. It’s also “Sarah’s eyes.” She can’t look at you. If Sarah’s gotten to the point where she cannot look at you – she cannot face you anymore – you’re going to be frozen out. I hope you understand what these things mean… have some idea. If you do not give up the idol worship and the arrogance of Christianity, if you cherish ideas that you’re going to drag the Jews down to the pits along with you, you will be mulched on the dung heap of history. Please, please do not put me in a position where I turn to my mothers and say “I have done everything I can. I cannot help them.” All hell will break loose on you. Thank you for listening.

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  336. @AmRusDebate

    But whatever the Jews do that may appear positive is not for everybody’s benefit but for their own and once the game is up they’ll just move somewhere else, as they’ve done throughout history, to repeat the same somewhere else.

    Blaming Jews for everything may be unrealistic, but I think here you’re taking too much credit and also assuming that everybody wants to, or should, live according to the ways of the Jews.

    I agree what you say about the situation the Christian Palestinians are in now, since the creation of the state of Israel, and that Jews are not a direct threat to the everyday security of whites. I mean Jews rarely assault whites or commit violent crimes, nor is there any overt terrorism by Jews against whites. But if we dig deeper then we see Jews are indeed behind many of the policies that lead to the negative aspects of societies they dominate, the economic decline, immigration, foreign wars, etc. I need not repeat anything you don’t already know from reading UR, including claims by many that Israel and Mossad are directly involved in the creation of terrorist groups such as ISIS and their actions.

    Here you are blaming whites, and perhaps rightly so, for putting up with Jews and their uppity ways, but then Jews, despite their alleged intelligence, never seem to learn from history and just keep repeating, instead of learning how to live in harmony with their hosts. And even by Einstein’s definition of idiocy, you know the one about repeating mistakes, the Jews, having repeated them in 109 locations since 250 AD, must be extremely idiotic.

    But I sympathise with the predicament Jews have put themselves in Israel to be surrounded by Arab enemies who will never accept their existence, as after all Jews are people too. I am all for peaceful coexistence with Jews but whose fault is it that this has not yet been proven possible?

    As far as whites in the western world go, now that there are so many muslims there and they far outnumber the Jews in Europe (and as you know many blame the Jews for this very situation), so it’s a three way fight and various alliances are possible. Or perhaps not, maybe the enemy of my enemy is after all not my friend.

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  337. FB says: • Website
    @AmRusDebate

    You make a lot of assumptions about my position…which tells me I’m dealing with an unserious person…

    I actually don’t subscribe to the notion of the Israeli tail waving the American dog…and have caught lots of flak for mildly criticizing Philip Geraldi’s somewhat one sided analysis of the situation…the US imperial project needs Israel more than Israel needs the US…the UNZ mouthfoamers that think deporting Jews or something along those lines will of course be surprised that nothing changes…

    In fact there may come a day when the Empire will throw its erstwhile ally to the wolves…and I’m sure some Israelis realize this is perfectly in keeping with Empire’s track record of stabbing former lovers in the back…

    As for Muslims I have no delusions…my experience as a human being is that most people of whatever background are generally decent and concerned mostly about the eternal issues facing ordinary folks…how to get some measure of social justice…educate their kids and see them off on the right path etc…

    I don’t see Iran as some kind of Angel, not to mention KSA and others…at the same time it is the western imperialist secret services that have mobilized huge Jihadist armies and used them to create unbelievable havoc and human suffering in a number of places around the globe…Israel too has played its role on the wrong side of history here…actively propping up international terrorism in Syria…

    As for your supposed umbrage at my sharp comments to you in response to your attempt to justify cowardly crimes against civilians…get real…start acting like a mensch and I will treat you accordingly…

    In the final analysis Israel is shooting itself in the foot by frittering away global sympathy for the genocide Jews suffered in WW2…by all means a historically unique effort to extinguish an entire people…it is sad to see that such ugly hate lives on in the tiny, shriveled minds of the UNZ commentariat…

    But you have placed yourself exactly on that same level with your hate and gratuitous name calling against the Palestinians…also there is no truth to your bullshit that Christian Palestinians love the Jewish state…even Palestinians with Israeli citizenship realize they are second class citizens…

    In short Israel’s bad behavior is enabled by the insane imperialist US…but the country throwing its future on the trash heap…Israel needs to get out of the occupied territories as international law and UNSC Resolutions demand…and then start negotiating on a settlement with legitimate title holders of homes and farms that have not seen those homes and farms in 70 years…

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  338. geokat62 says:
    @FB

    Philip Geraldi’s somewhat one sided analysis of the situation…the US imperial project needs Israel more than Israel needs the US…

    This is a mischaracterization of PG’s analysis. The US doesn’t need Israel. It needs to free itself from undue Zionist influence that distorts US Foreign Policy from what the national interest would otherwise dictate. While you may deem this analysis “one-sided”, most objective observers would deem it “accurate.”

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  339. Dissident says:

    Children who are attacked scream and run home to parents and police. If they didn’t run and scream, it wasn’t an attack.

    Individuals who prey-upon children often threaten their victims and intimidate them into silence.

    Chalk it up to a clumsy pass by a pathetic amateur; an unpleasant, shameful experience to be sure, but one unlikely to be repeated with a firm rebuke. Blame yourself for sending mixed signals, and go on with your life.

    Children should blame themselves for sending mixed signals to adult predators?

    Surely, Mr. Shamir conflates patent abuse of children with “MeToo”-type witchunts.

    The “paedo” angle is misleading. What is “a child”? Are you revolted by Romeo and Juliet?

    The lines do indeed begin to become blurred from puberty and then become increasingly so as adolescence progresses. (And yes, pedophilia, by definition is limited-to cases where the adult’s object of sexual desire is pre-pubescent. If post- or even peri-pubescent, the correct terms are hebephilia and ephebophilia.) That said, an adolescent, even if fully sexually mature from an anatomical/physiological/reproductive standpoint, is not correspondingly mature in the areas of mental and emotional development.

    Did Mr. Shamir actually mean to equate the sexual pursuit, on the part of a fully-grown adult man, of a girl of 14, 15 or even 16 with said pursuit by such a man of a fully-adult woman? To do that would seem little more reasonable than equating (even) the former (i.e., adult sexually pursuing a post-pubescent adolescent) with one who sexually pursues a pre-pubsecent child.

    Juliet was 14, and thus Romeo today would be tried and locked up as a “paedophile”,

    The prophet Muhammad married nine-year-old Aisha, but Jacob, the Biblical patriarch, surpassed him and married Rachel who was only 7. In our modern world Jacob and Muhammad would be hunted down, extradited and jailed.

    Regardless of what may or may not have occurred in history or any mythological or literary context, the salient question here is: Did Mr. Shamir really mean to suggest that any society today should accept or even tolerate the sexual pursuit, by adult men, of even nine-year-old girls, much less children of only seven years?

    the Mother of our Saviour was just 14 at Annunciation.

    Would not societal and historical context need to be considered there?

    An adult man marrying a girl of 14 in a time and culture where such was within the norm is very different than anything we would talk about here, in today’s West. Differences in age of maturation as well as in life-expectancy are among the factors that must be considered.

    Greek tradition approves of mature women who are willing to share their expertise with growing boys.

    They [i.e., leaders within and spokesmen for the Roman Catholic Church] can’t say “pederasty”; they must pretend this is “paedophilia”. They are forbidden to defrock a homosexual priest lest they be accused of “homophobia”.

    Hmm…a most interesting juxtaposition there… Doesn’t Greek tradition have something to say about pederasty as well?

  340. Dissident says:

    Apropos and worthy of consideration:

    Homosexuality and the Church Crisis (Brian Clowes, 2010)

    Excerpt:

    There is also a strongly defensive element to this strategy. Opponents of the Church know that there is a well-documented and strong correlation between male homosexuality and child sexual abuse, but claim that there is no evidence supporting this connection.

    And, of course, those who are currently attacking the Church hope that they can undermine its moral authority to preach on the sinfulness of homosexual behavior and weaken its opposition to ersatz homosexual “marriage.”

    This August 26, 2018 comment by “HA” in a Steve Sailer thread, as well as other comments in the same thread– both by the same author as well some by different authors.

    Excerpt:

    […]indeed it is an outrage, but as far as making improvements, it is worth asking if anyone is doing things significantly better, and given the kind of abuse that goes on in, say, school districts on a regular basis, Catholics may currently be well below “average”. But there’s just not as much money or as many Pulitzers to be gotten by throwing dirt on other institutions so it’s hard to get an honest comparison and there’s very wide error bars around any figures.

    I would contend that at least much of the basic, general points made in the writing I link above could also be applied to other traditionalist religious organizations and communities, Christian, Jewish and even Muslim.

  341. FB says: • Website
    @geokat62

    I agree that ordinary American people don’t need Israel…but the maniacs in DC that want to rule the world with an iron fist see Israel as the lynchpin of their mad plan for world domination…that goes for a lot of religious crazies also…I survived an evangelical childhood and let me tell you it’s no picnic…we’re dealing with millions of full on crazies…

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  342. tac says:
    @Iris

    Just so people understand how difficult it is to set fire to oak and that it is more likely than not that this incident was no accident at all look at the experiment conducted in the following video that tries to recreate this feat (it was posted on April 19th as has upwards of 600K views already):

  343. tac says:

    Indeed Pamela Geller is a racist Jewess supremacist who is tasked with running the anti-muslim angle of the Hegelian Dialectic psyop (think: ‘what is good for the jews’) while demonizing Muslims; it seemingly comes as second nature to her. Recall the pro-Israel yet somehow–in the same breath–a ‘white nationalist’ Norwegian mass murderer agent and tool Anders Behring Breivik was incited and inspired only to be protected by her; she even testified in his defense.

    What is striking, however, is that Breivik blames not only Muslims but also Marxists–without a single thought relative to history of who the ‘marxists’ where. This indeed makes him a useful idiot goy. The money trail for someone ostensibly poor speaks volumes that ‘others’ where involved!

    Richard Spencer was also part of the cover-up and a controlled opposition agent.

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  344. renfro says:
    @AmRusDebate

    Rage Jew !…..Rage Away !

    Now that you’ve expelled some of your hatred for and jealousy of Gentiles and Americans do you feel better?
    Your problem is Jews like you can never really ‘feel better’ because you know in the back of your mind that Jews and Israel both exist only as long as tolerant Gentiles, other non Jews (and whoever you can bribe) allow you to exist.
    You can’t exist without gentiles, you never could, and knowing that leads you to bite the hand that feeds you out of resentment of your dependence on us. It causes you to howl with hubris about the power we have loaned you.
    And as always, your hubris and destructive wasting on the earth grows until we once again are forced to put you down.

    You Never Learn.

  345. geokat62 says:
    @tac

    Richard Spencer was also part of the cover-up and a controlled opposition agent.

    I think you meant to write Robert Spencer, right?

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  346. renfro says:
    @Commentator Mike

    But I sympathise with the predicament Jews have put themselves in Israel to be surrounded by Arab enemies who will never accept their existence, as after all Jews are people too

    I think you would change your mind on that if you studied the 50 year history of the ‘Peace ‘ efforts.
    Namely the Arab Peace Plan in 2000.It guaranteed Israel full acceptance, trading rights and diplomatic relations, everything they asked for, in return for Israel withdrawing to the original boarders of Israel in the UN Res 181 that created Israel.

    They refused that because for Israel its never been about peace with the Palestines its ALWAYS been about seizing ALL of Palestine. The UN gave Israel 51% of Palestine land—Israel now has 84% of Palestine land thru illegal seizures and wars.

    I do not sympathize with them because from the begining it was their intent to ultimately take over all of Palestine and transfer the Palestines…..they could have done the right thing any time during the past 70 years…but they didn’t…and they won’t.

    Arab peace initiative: full text
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/mar/28/israel7

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  347. @Commentator Mike

    the fault, my friend, lies with us both. With us Jews who have not fought back against a leadership that is too Anti-White. With Whites who dwell on IQs and the past, instead of organizing to protect the present. I think that is a reasonable conclusion, don’t you?

    We need common ground. We need a clarity on which to bring the communities together. No way avoiding it.

    I accept that Jews have become irrationally Anti-White, but look at what we are dealing with! Admit that even the comments I get here – accusing Jews of basically being behind 911 and all terror. It’s idiotic. Who can work with people like this? Whites need to up their game. (I am not denying helping Jaish Al Fatah in Quinatra. I disagree with such a policy. Creating ISIS? That’s just plain stupid. 911!? Absolutely retarded)

  348. @renfro

    Yah. That’s why Arafat had to be dragged to the negotiation table for this. Barak was ready to cede even on Jerusalem and Temple Mound. Read Clinton’s own story about this.

  349. @NoseytheDuke

    Nazi card? Honey, you misdirected your comments!

    Regarding your take on Israel. You are deluded if you think we actually committed any terrorist acts against the USA . You don’t have to love the Ishmaelites, so stop going out on a limb for them! They are criminal scum. Can you not see that!? Are you that deluded!?

    I have never spoken a word about my take on US – Israeli relations. I have not said a word about such things. I can, if asked. I think it is complex, don’t put words in my mouth if you have no clue what my take is.

    “Be a man” crap has to do with be an adult. You need to get off your medications lady, or stop reading conspiracy websites. Suggesting that Jews have harmed America directly, or hurt Americans, go get some fresh air, if you can.

    The Jewish community has a big problem with priorities. America’s Whites don’t make it easy. They’ve gone all trans-gender. That’s also a part of manning up. I.e. do less yapping, do more walking. Be reliable partners. You’re the ones who denigrate your own Whiteness. Don’t blame Jews for it. Most Jews are White too. It’s not up to us only, how this plays out.

    Be a bit more lucid please, next time.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  350. @geokat62

    This Doreen seems to be a nut. That said, she’s right about this:

    Eating synthetic foods, taking drugs, drinking, and basically being pathologically delusional…

  351. Well, get smart for once. Jews and other in groups need hatred. They need to provoke it to justify their cruel tribal discipline and need to feel it to justifying doing what makes them hated.

    In their own teachings, they know that you need a Haman in order to have a Mordecai, so you need to be nasty enough to have a deal stream.

    They are total hypocrites. The were genocidal when they got to the Holy Land, but resent it when others point the same “Death Bone” at them. Being cowards, they snivel to gain pity and hope others will do their dirty work.

    We are just barnyard animals to them, but they get into a snit, when things go the other way.

  352. @AmRusDebate

    America would not be America without us. We made you into who you are today. Your Christmas songs, all of your television classics from the 30s and up. All your franchises on the screen. Everything you are. Wont even mention music. So before you start your litany of Jew-hatred, first admit that there is also a credit side to the equation. Before you go over to the Arab who will sodomise you, think twice, think hard.

    You owe such a debt. Your own inexplicable laziness, dullness, is to be blamed for your inability to organize yourself in a manner that would negotiate with Jewry, a respectful nationalist agreement.

    You have only yourself to blame. Your knee-jerk hysteria. Your knee-jerk categorical extremism.

    Before Jews remade American into the Judeo-Polish-Weimarian bankrupt sewer it is today, German hard work and discipline, industrial genius; Italian aesthetic (Italians created opera, the progenitor of the now-debauched movie and music industries); European Christian cultural values, and Scots-Welsh-Anglo heritage defined American songs, entertainment, music, community organization.

    USA was better before Jews “made us what we are today.”

    It’s been several years since I commented on Mondoweiss; I dropped out after Phil wrote an amazingly straightforward, maybe even boastful/gloating column about how “Jews are now in charge in USA,” after years, rather, generations of Jewish hatred and resentment of WASPs and attempts to displace / replace them.

    Simple minded as I am, the first thing that came to my mind was, USA has never been so FUBARed; Phil tells me Jews are now in charge. Is there a causal relationship there? Ya think?

    John Henry uses his wealth and talents to create a forum and audience for thoughts he thinks are important to American citizens. A play he wrote, Republic Undone, will be presented on May 18 in rural Virginia, and again May 21 in DC at the National Women’s Democratic Club
    https://www.stonehilltheatricalfoundation.org/republicundone.html

    We live in a Wilsonian America. We began with a Madisonian America. Against the backdrop of World War I, John Henry’s Republic Undone dramatizes the conflict over the meaning of the American Revolution — what it means to be an American.

    The play features the galaxy of personalities that sashayed across the stage as Woodrow Wilson ascended to power and orchestrated America’s entry into the Great War. His first wife Ellen, Andrew Carnegie, William Jennings Bryan, Alice Paul and Henry Cabot Lodge argue for a Madisonian America that exalts separation of powers and prohibits presidential wars. Colonel House, Mary Peck and his second wife Edith defend a Wilsonian America that salutes limitless executive power to go abroad in search of monsters to destroy.
    Republic Undone explores Wilson’s narcissistic personality as he crushes any opposition to his will. The ghost of James Madison attacks Wilson for destroying the Republic that secured peace to enable women and men to march to their own drummer. Wilson dismisses Madison as a museum piece that would hobble Americans from spreading goodness in every corner of the world.

    In my view, Wilson was merely the beta, the first major fissure in USA envisioned by Madison et al. Leveraging that toehold, arch-zionists like Louis Brandeis, Felix Frankfurter, Samuel Untermeyer, Rabbi Stephen Wise, the Morgenthaus, either bought, blackmailed, or maneuvered FDR into a Faustian bargain and exploited and subverted US power and prestige to their purposes, then overtook the US population almost entirely.

    • Replies: @renfro
  353. @tac

    the Hegelian Dialectic psyop (think: ‘what is good for the jews’)

    What does that mean?

    How does the term, “Hegelian Dialectic” clarify “psyop” or ” ‘what is good for the jews’ “?

    • Replies: @tac
  354. Hibernian says:
    @j2

    You’re right about Luther, but, as to your last sentence, as time went on, Protestant groups formed by breaking away from existing Protestant groups.

  355. @AmRusDebate

    Lucid? You intentionally misread just about everything in my comment. Duke/Duchess, LOL. Try to be less rabid and less of a liar too, I do realise that I’m asking the near impossible from you but try.

    I did not mention US – Israel relations, I stated that Israel interferes in US affairs to its detriment, I meant things like elections, foreign policy, military matters, and various fraudulent practices, things that you can’t refute without being a liar. Oops, I’ve already addressed that.

    Jews are not responsible for White Self-Hatred. You are. Your own inability to be White and clean-shaven and tattoo free. Whiteness was reduced to a mere fringe identity, a Neo-Nazi swastika toting brain-dead jail-bait by Whites, not Jews.

    Take note of yourself playing the “Nazi card” here and I won’t bother listing the numerous instances of Israeli terrorism, many of them staged to be attributed to Palestinians and Islamists who always seem to leave Qurans and passports around to “clear up” any doubt about the identities of the perpetrators.

    • Replies: @AmRusDebate
  356. renfro says:
    @Grace Poole

    It’s been several years since I commented on Mondoweiss; I dropped out after Phil wrote an amazingly straightforward, maybe even boastful/gloating column about how “Jews are now in charge in USA,” after years, rather, generations of Jewish hatred and resentment of WASPs and attempts to displace / replace them.

    Yes I remember those. I dropped out of mondo also but not because of that or his similar essays:…..which all continued his theme of how Jews were superior to gentiles.
    https://mondoweiss.net/2010/07/notes-on-my-racism-part-1/
    https://mondoweiss.net/2010/08/notes-on-my-racism-part-2/
    https://mondoweiss.net/2010/10/notes-on-my-racism-part-3-my-people/

    I just got tired of the double standards on raking the WASP over the coals but not being able to even objectively critique Jewish culture in regard to Israeli mentality.
    We token gentiles were in truth the only ones who brought any real meat to discussions.
    MW has really declined since.
    Once Phil claimed that Jews were responsible for creating the US Ivies. I responded with the founding histories and founders of every university….which contained no Jewish contribution in any way…..but he never acknowledged it.

    I don’t dislike Phil, I see him as very conflicted ….he wanted to be like the WASP guys he saw at Harvard….as he described them in one essay — ‘so free and easily confident’ in themselves but he never could be of course. So he’s always been stuck in his ‘admire vr resent’ feelings about gentiles.
    It has seemed to me that a lot of the outlandish bragging of some Jews really stems from a deep seated inferiority complex and they cover that nagging feeling in themselves by constant bragging about Jewish brilliance and etc…

  357. Miggle says:
    @FB

    Can you give us an insider’s view of an evangelical childhood? The word Evangelical originally mean Lutheran as distinct from Calvinist. Essentially it means Gospel-based, the Gospel is the Evangel. Can you tell us what it means from your perspective?

    • Replies: @FB
  358. tac says:
    @geokat62

    My mistake, thanks for the correction geokat.

  359. tac says:
    @Grace Poole

    9/11 –> Wars for Israel in the ME while Americans get shafted with the ‘Patriot Act’. This is just one glaring example. False-flag terrorism …. to which I’ve referenced the Breivik case and one can make the case that the the Christchurch shooter Brenton Tarrant falls into the same category.

    BTW: my original comment to which you’ve responded to was meant as a rely to @renfro.

    • Replies: @Grace Poole
    , @tac
  360. A little advice: dismiss the alleged victims of last century’s clerical abuse. Send them home. I do not feel sorry for these late claimants. Why did they wait 20 years to complain? Children who are attacked scream and run home to parents and police. If they didn’t run and scream, it wasn’t an attack. Chalk it up to a clumsy pass by a pathetic amateur; an unpleasant, shameful experience to be sure, but one unlikely to be repeated with a firm rebuke. Blame yourself for sending mixed signals, and go on with your life. Join mankind: every one of us, even your mommy and daddy, suffered an unwanted kiss or an undesired embrace. The laws should be reasonable. Allowing 20-year old claims for unreported transgressions is not reasonable. Only an immediate accusation should be considered valid, and 24 hours is more than enough time in most cases to lodge a formal complaint.

    It seems the writer does disdain the Goy, some habits are hard to break. This is one of the most ignorant, vile statements I have come across and much of the text is not much better. He needs to do some study in regards how easily “children” yes these are children with young innocent and susceptible minds that are easily scared into submission and silence. He unfortunately embodies to much of what the Talmud teaches. He highlights the reason “Dirty Jew” is still in use.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  361. @Iconoclast

    I agree with you that those are ignorant and vile statements. I would recommend that in future, when you paste a comment from an article or other commenter, highlight it and hit the block quote feature or at least use quotation marks lest it appear that that is part of your own comment. Cheers

  362. FB says: • Website
    @Miggle

    Sure…basically it means crazy people that believe in the imminent Second Coming…preceded by the rapture of course…and fanatical proselytizing to win new converts…this entails a very large and active role in global missionary work…

    They would endlessly repeat the line that Christ can’t come until each and every person on earth has been told about Christianity…since that’s only fair that everyone could have a choice whether to accept Jesus or not…of course one of my earliest paradoxes even as a kid was about all the ‘savages’ that lived in previous times and died without ever having been offered the ‘choice’…of course the church brain trust could not ever answer even this child level logic…

    My mom used to tell me that for every person I converted I would get an actual star in my ‘crown’ that we would wear in heaven…as in literally in the sense of the astrophysical objet…LOL

    Formally I believe the term ‘evangelical’ means salvation through faith in Jesus Christ alone…I know nothing about Lutherans except they seemed more normal…for die hard evangelicals the church is EVERYTHING…you don’t make friends with people outside the church…and it’s basically we’re ‘saved’ and they’re not…but we have to somehow ‘save’ them…whether they like it or not…

    Oh and also huge love for Israel…since Armageddon would start there and bring about Jesus’ return…

  363. @tac

    Thank you, tac; I get that background & the connections.

    Maybe I’m being a pain in the arse here, but what I do NOT understand is how “Hegelian dialectic” makes those points.

    Why did you include “Hegelian dialectic” in your comment?
    What did you expect it would add to the reader’s understanding of information you wished to convey?

  364. Mark says: • Website

    Read Unz all the time, handful else.

    First-time commenter.

    Respect to Israel and Paul. And ‘especially, of course, including the comments’.

    Wrote: http://www.truthscoop.net/777 on.

    Thanks to all.

    Mark

  365. tac says:
    @tac

    Hegelian dialectic = problem.reaction.solution
    –> problem = create/hype-up a perceived problem –> ‘terrorism’ as viewed by Israelis (while ignoring their bloody incursion into Palestine). Let’s make it the West’s problem, not only our own. Those evil muzzies cannot stand democracy, the Western way of life, ‘freedom’, etc. …. so time to teach ’em a lesson: fly two airplanes into the Capital center of the West, i.e. NYC Twin Towers, make a 330 degree corkscrew turn–against all odds, yet not paying attention to the incoming warnings by the Dick Cheney (who told his subordinates to stand down literally against and incoming threat)–SIMPLY TO HIT DEAD CENTER ON the office of the Naval Intelligence who was investigating among other things the $2.3 trillion dollars that were announced missing by the then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld?

    –> reaction = propose a pre-planned ready-to-go objective–which serves no American interests–and sell it to the emotionally gullible public as a proper reaction to the aforementioned ‘crime’–all the while ignoring the true culprits of said deception.

    –> solution = a years-back pre-planned Jewish created (in the late 70s) plan to create a Greater Yisrael (Oded Yinon Plan) by way of world-wide ‘War on Terrorism’.

    CUI BONO? It only takes a micro-second to come up with answer to this ‘question’. Hope that bit helps.

  366. tac says:

    Sorry, my last reply was meant for @Grace Poole. Thank you for you your question. In the simplest terms I’ve laid out the general thesis. Please continue if you have any further questions, as–in my experience– it is fruitless to bore the individual with historic citations and simply too much information per se.

  367. @NoseytheDuke

    I feel I’m talking to a lunatic. Maybe you are not one, but you need to focus a bit harder lady. What part of your own quote of my text:

    Whiteness was reduced to a mere fringe identity, a Neo-Nazi swastika toting brain-dead jail-bait by Whites, not Jews.

    did you assimilate to “playing the Nazi-card”

    ?

    Re-read until you figure out, that no one played the Nazi card. I observe, factually, that White identity is struck in clutches of imbeciles.

    I.e. idiots who blame Jews for terrorist acts committed by others. You’re yapping off about something you make up. It’s like when the Moohslims claim that every act they supposedly committed, was really committed by Jews.

    You are a good example of the IQ problem amongst Whites. Contrary to claims by Sailer and Comp. Whites are not detectably smarter than anyone else, but they are the only group who has members who claim so.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @NoseytheDuke
    , @FB
  368. With Shooting of Synagogue in San Diego, I think those who blame Jews for 911, and make claims about Jews being behind terrorist acts committed by Muslims – San Diego is on your hands.

    Your obsessive vilification of Jews, crosses the threshold into incitement.

    Jews don’t murder, shoot, rob, loot, rape, anyone in Europe or America. Disproportionately – Muslims do. Africans do. Latinos do. Low class Whites do.

    Jews, have the lowest blue collar crime record of any minority. Instead of making up shit about Jews, you should start distinguishing the problem of political power and political struggle.

    Making up shit about Jews, leads to stupid redneck types attacking our synagogues. This isn’t good for anyone, and least of all for White gentiles. You’re already the easiest targets, so don’t make it easier for your enemies. Keep the Jewish issue political, don’t blame us for shit we didn’t do, and the less impressionate ones among you will be less trigger happy. Remember – you may think you are smart – but your Appalachian cousins are not. When you spew garbage about Jews did this, Jews did that, these cousins are likely to drag you down with them.

    I know it takes courage to face the real culprits in the system – the raging violent minorities, armed, impulsive, and deadly…but yah, don’t mix Jews into this. We don’t shoot anyone, we don’t rob anyone. We didn’t fly the planes into the World Trade Center. The rest is speculation, get off it before it drives your own cause into the ground. Learn to tell the difference between your delusions, and coherent evidence based debate.

    Jews don’t have your blood on their hands, but those of you who incite against us, have Jewish blood on yours.

    • Replies: @Iris
    , @anon
  369. Iris says:
    @AmRusDebate

    Whites are not detectably smarter than anyone else, but they are the only group who has members who claim so.

    The overwhelming bulk of fundamental science and technology over the last two centuries was produced by “Whites”. A few Jewish individuals were able to make a contribution too, but only within the framework of an advanced Gentile society which educated them, and allowed them to thrive.

    You should show gratitude, but display hatred instead towards people who you resent for being superior to you.

    • Replies: @j2
  370. Iris says:
    @AmRusDebate

    With Shooting of Synagogue in San Diego, I think those who blame Jews for 911,

    People of this opinion are more specific: Israel is responsible for planning, organising and executing 9/11:

    https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

  371. FB says: • Website
    @AmRusDebate

    I agree with your observation about the ‘white IQ’ canard that the Nazi mouthfoamers here on UNZ drone on about endlessly…one big circle jerk, proving only how much evolving they still have left to do…

    However you badly misjudge Nosey to be among that crowd…if you had any sense or faculties of observation [not to mention sound judgement]…you would not be making such laughable accusations against one of the few reasonable and balanced commenters here…and definitely one of the most polite…

    In short you show yourself to be a buffoon of the same level of mental acuity as the morons you make fun of…

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
  372. j2 says:
    @Iris

    “Whites are not detectably smarter than anyone else, but they are the only group who has members who claim so.”

    Most whites do not, it is Ashkenazi Jews (also white) who make this claim of themselves, and with very weak evidence.

    • Replies: @Iris
  373. Iris says:
    @j2

    Hello J2; I hope you are doing well.

    The blockquoted statement regarding “Whites” bragging about their IQ was made by the Hasbara troll, not by me. I completely disagree with it. White Europeans have immensely contributed to human civilisation; people who don’t recognise this fact are uneducated.

    To be clear, I disagree with racists from all ethnic backgrounds. The concept of “race” is an extremely weak argument to make a point in a discussion, but one to which, significantly, the Hasbara often turn to. Regards.

    • Replies: @j2
  374. j2 says:
    @Iris

    “The blockquoted statement regarding “Whites” bragging about their IQ was made by the Hasbara troll, not by me.”

    Hi Iris, I understood that it was not you who made the comment, only that you are a so much nicer person, so I preferred to reply to your comment rather than to some terrible hasbara troll. I try to stay away from them.

    “Hello J2; I hope you are doing well.”

    Well, missing my only reader, otherwise fine. By the way, I made a calculation how the WTC Ground Zero temperatures might have been created conducting through steal structures from a small hot spot of 300 Celsius and starting new fires for a pronged time, yet I do not completely discard the nuke theory either. Regards and all the best, j2

    • LOL: FB
  375. @FB

    Thanks, FB. Mouthfoaming occurs across the board it seems, I think that’s all part of the plan. That a “person” who condones the shooting murder of unarmed civilians by trained military “men” would then call me a lunatic, well that has to be textbook insanity itself, chutzpah or something like that.

    Damn, if they’d spent just a fraction of their military budget, courtesy of US taxpayers, on making the place great for everyone they would own most of it by now anyway, and it might be the newest hotspot on the Med. I can dream. LOL. That their business, but I hate that the US, Europe and places like where I live are being both looted and subverted into destructive and immoral wars and there seems to be a strong connection. Cheers

    • Agree: Iris
  376. Dissident says:
    @anon

    Responding only to the titles/headers/lede frame images of the two videos you embedded, neither of which I have watched or have any familiarity with, I feel impelled note the following.

    – Concerning so-called “Rabbi” David Bar Hayim, to say that this individual dwells well outside of the confines of anything that could legitimately be considered normative, Torah-true Judaism would be an understatement. Notwithstanding how learned Bar Hayim may (or may not) be, how impressive a background in Judaic scholarship he may (or may not) be able to boast, or how devout or pious some may claim him to be, the man (Bar Hayim) has clearly made a number of public statements and issued a number of “rulings”* that (from any normative Orthodox Judaic perspective) ipso facto disqualify and invalidate any claims to religious authority on his part. (*Note that Bar Hayim’s unacceptable and disqualifying positions, while certainly including his rabid Zionism, are not limited to it.)

    – “TEL AVIV SKYSCRAPER: REMAKE OF TOWER OF BABEL OR PREPARATION FOR THIRD TEMPLE”: A unanimous consensus of the canonical Judaic texts and relevant rabbinical rulings are clear and unequivocal that any re-building of the Holy Temple as prophesied in the Hebrew Scriptures can only be built in Jerusalem, on the site where the previous Temples stood, and only after the Messiah prophesied in said Scriptures will have arrived and re-established the rule of the Davidic dynasty in the Holy Land. While I know nothing of the structure that the video speaks-of, I can confidently say that the suggestion that the Third Temple could be built anywhere outside of the Holy City of Jerusalem is both preposterous as well as heretical.

    • Replies: @Dissident
  377. I come from where the author comes, and I agree with most of what he says, including that accusations of pedophilia against a tiny minority of Catholic clerics (many of whom are dead and cannot defend themselves) are being used unjustly to attack a church that over 20 centuries has inspired many millions of men and women to forsake material wealth and sexual satisfaction in order to minister as teachers, nurses, and spiritual advisors to ordinary people, including non-Christians. However, there is a difference between pedophilia by Catholic priests and by Jewish rabbis and evangelical ministers, namely that the Catholic Church is hierarchical and imposes on its bishops a duty to ensure faithful execution of vows by nuns, monks, and priests that cannot be similarly imposed on ministers of Judaism, evangelical Protestantism, and other faiths that do not follow the Catholic hierarchical model (in some cases explicitly rejecting it).

  378. Dissident says:
    @Dissident

    Having now gone and listened-to the audio of the first video embedded in comment #384, upthread, I see that it is absolutely imperative that I amend my previous post to make a critical clarification. For the specific assertions and contentions made by David Bar-Hayim* in that particular presentation are not only quite correct and valid but also eminently germane.

    Jews who promote third-world immigration into majority-white nations and the destruction of traditional European culture and mores do so in spite of Judaism. The overwhelmingly majority of such Jews are utterly estranged from Judaism. (From the perspective of which many such Jews are nothing short-of outright heretics and apostates.) The ideology and positions that fall under the heading ‘Cultural Marxism’ are, far from representative of or consistent with Judaism, actually violative of and antithetical to it.

    Let White nations remain White. Let Christian nations remain Christian. Let Muslim nations remain Muslim. Etc, etc.

    As for the assertion, also made by Bar-Hayim in the linked/embedded presentation, that the Land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael) is the only true homeland of Jews, I will offer only the briefest, thumbnail treatment of the matter. (With the acknknowledgement that this is a topic for which one simply cannot, within the scope and constraints of the present venue, do any real justice to.)

    Yes, the Hebrew Scriptures and the canon of additional texts and traditions that, in authentic Judaism, accompany, complement and elucidate said Bible (Tanakh) are quite explicit and clear that G-d bestowed the Land of Israel as the eternal homeland of the Jews. The same corpus of canonical text and tradition also tells us, however, that the very same G-d exiled us from said land and forbade us from re-establishing sovereignty over any part of it before the time of the ultimate redemption at the hands of His Annointed One (the Messiah; HaMelekh HaMashiakh) that we continue to pray for and await.

    *If only Bar-Hayim would repent of his heresies, Zionist and otherwise. Then I might accord him the title ‘Rabbi’.

    • Replies: @AmRusDebate
  379. Dissident says:
    @anon

    Please be sure to see the followup I have now made to the initial reply I had made to your post. Despite being dead wrong (to the point of heresy) in numerous other areas, when it comes to the assertions made in the first video embedded into anon[202]’s comment (#384), Bar-Hayim is most correct. Jews who promote immigration are (a) not informed by, representative of, or loyal to Judaism and (b) a major cause of resentment, animosity, ill-will and worse against Jews worldwide. Alas.

    (As for the second embedded video, I remain completely unfamiliar with its contents.)

    • Replies: @anon
  380. @Dissident

    Not for you to decide who is and is not rabbi. Rav Bar-Hayim’s ordination is solid.

    Nor for non-Jews in general to decide who is and is not “representative” of Jews. Anymore so than we don’t decide who leads Catholic church or Islamic groups.

  381. I maintain that there is a clear relationship between blaming Jews for 911 ( and assorted terrorist acts in the West) and White neo-nazi incels shooting up Jews. False claims such as these are tantamount to incitement. The people on here who repeat them, have never so much as entertained a contrary perspective (i.e. you read about how Jews did it, but you don’t read any rebuttals). You besmirch Jews, and as a result feeble minded readers take it into their mind to go and shoot up synagogues. If you had any integrity, you’d back off claims that Jews physically harm anyone in the West.

    I don’t know about “Whites” and cultural achievement, but to downplay the Jewish contribution, is risky. Jews are White, and as such no one doubts the achievement in question, but it has nothing to do with average gentile IQ, and everything to do with incentives, enterprise, and IQs on the higher end.

    The current explosion of hi-tech is coupled to Asians in global hi-tech economy. Japan produces more video games than the US and Europe put together. Supercomputers are now Asian. Best research is now in China. For 30 years American PhDs are dominated by Asian researchers. Silicon Valley has an under-representation of old school Europeans. In the modern world, White gentiles show very little of their vaunted IQ. There is a reason America doesn’t make a single hi-tech brand. Not to mention Europe, which is simply laughable.

    You can blame it on darkey (and I sometimes do) but in the end, judging by the quality of comments here…. you suffer from a lack of basic comprehension skills (simple fact any objective reader of these comments would observe).

    yours truly

    the Hasbara troll! (Thanks for the compliment. )

  382. I maintain that there is a clear relationship between blaming Jews for 911 ( and assorted terrorist acts in the West) and White neo-nazi incels shooting up Jews.

    You besmirch Jews, and as a result feeble minded readers take it into their mind to go and shoot up synagogues. If you had any integrity, you’d back off claims that Jews physically harm anyone in the West.

    To write about the poor of the quality of the comments here while you write the absurd comments laden with falsehoods that you do, you are clearly a blatant liar as well as being deluded to the point of insanity, as previously mentioned. In your defence it is as likely due to genetics as it is to your “upbringing”.

  383. anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dissident

    Dissident,

    It seems, then, that there is nowhere in the world where Judaism is faithfully practiced. The second video, of the construction of a Tower of Babel in Tel Aviv, indicates that Israel is Judenrein,

    The juxtaposition was (one of) the points of my comment.

    The first point intended by posting the rabbi’s exegesis was that it is logical and natural that non-Jews should be resentful of those Jews who are provoking mass immigration and the Tower of Babel situation in their own European countries.

    A second point follows from the first: these things are being done deliberately, with known negative consequences. Those Jews, as well as non-Jews, who deliberately provoke negative consequences must be held accountable for them.
    Notice the comment of NewBoethius @ 391: the Catholic Church bears greater culpability because it has a hierarchy that is supposed to discipline wrong-doers such as the pedophile priests. I am not Jewish, I don’t know how discipline is managed within the Jewish community, apparently there are no such forms of control within the group; Jews seem to devote their energies to disciplining non-Jews, i.e. ADL, the 52 Leaders, etc. require that non-Jews conform to Jewish dictates.

    It’s an inversion of the Jewish corporatist establishment, or state-within-a-state regime before emancipation in 1789, in which the sovereign or monarch of the state in which Jews dwelt conveyed to Jewish leaders the power to collect taxes from, and mete out punishment, even capital punishment, to, their own Jewish community members.

    A third point was raised in 1917, when Jews planned their negotiating stance at Versailles: many Jews said that the creation of a zionist state in Palestine would erode their rights in other states where they dwelt. They “compromised” — they demanded, and got, both. (In my view, this is the main reason Weimar was such an offense to the German people: perceiving a post-war and post-revolution vacuum and a weakness, Jews seem to have been emboldened to believe, and act, as if Germany was theirs to rule.) Thus, if what you say is true, then the entire zionist project is non-Judaic. I believe Gertrude Stein made that point in 1920.
    Zionists have put Judaism in an impossible position.

    Which creates a fourth conundrum, that AmRusDebate implies in #394:
    “Nor for non-Jews in general to decide who is and is not “representative” of Jews.” Anymore so than we don’t decide who leads Catholic church or Islamic groups.

    The balancing claim to ARD’s statement is: It is not for Jews to demand that non-Jews grant them special privileges within non-Jewish states, and to cycle back to Bar-Hayim, attempts to do so will inevitably be met with resentment. If that resentment is not addressed appropriately, it will, once again, inevitably, erupt in very unpleasant ways.

    Herzl was aware of the sixth point, as was Hitler: it was not Judaic religion or religious expression of Jews exiled within other states that caused resentment among the non-Jewish state members, it was

    “The common people have not, and indeed cannot have, any historic comprehension. They do not know that the sins of the Middle Ages are now being visited on the nations of Europe. We are what the Ghetto made us. We have attained pre-eminence in finance, because mediaeval conditions drove us to it. The same process is now being repeated. We are again being forced into finance, now it is the stock exchange, by being kept out of other branches of economic activity. Being on the stock exchange, we are consequently exposed afresh to contempt. At the same time we continue to produce an abundance of mediocre intellects who find no outlet, and this endangers our social position as much as does our increasing wealth. Educated Jews without means are now rapidly becoming Socialists. Hence we are certain to suffer very severely in the struggle between classes, because we stand in the most exposed position in the camps of both Socialists and capitalists. . . .
    When we sink, we become a revolutionary proletariat, the subordinate officers of all revolutionary parties; and at the same time, when we rise, there rises also our terrible power of the purse.”

    Herzl realized that, failing to make Germany the “new Jerusalem” where Jews were in charge, zionism would make Palestine as successful as Germans had made Germany., on the German model.

    Based on Rabbi Bar-Hayim’s and your explanations, Herzl’s analysis was incorrect (as well as arrogant): The Ghetto did not make Jews, Judaism demanded the Ghetto. According to Bar-Hayim, with which you agree, Dissident, a Jew who rejects the Ghetto in favor of assimilation is not truly Jewish.

    Jews need a pope.

  384. @Rational

    ith the Christian bible saying that we must worship the Judaists as God’s chosen people..

    Actually Sr. the bible says the contrary, all you have to do is to read it. Here it is!

    14For you, brothers, became imitators of the churches of God in Judea that are in Christ Jesus. You suffered from your own countrymen the very things they suffered from the Jews, 15who killed both the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and drove us out as well. They are displeasing to God and hostile to all men,

    So they are hostile to ALL men! According to ! thess.14-15

    Here Iesous says:

    43Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message. 44You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies.

    SO, churchianity does worship them; Once you leave churchianity, and start educating your self,

    all changes.

    Once churchianity is out the door, and we start to inquire and question,

    32Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

  385. @A123

    Observing all the ugly figures in that building, so called gargoyles, on ponders upon the meaning. Besides, so many people in churchianity put their trust in ‘buildings’, instead in He whom they say believe.

    Churchianity loves what the bible calls ‘judeans’ otherwise known to churchianity as Jews. For all you who say that are Christians, Please put aside all the ignorance, and inform yourselves about who is your enemy. I believe Voltaire was the one who said:

    “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize” is often attributed to Voltaire.

    WHO? ‘anti-Semite, you!”

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