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A burly unattractive woman in her late fifties or sixties, dyed hair, pearl laces around wrinkled neck, tearfully relating a story of unwanted sexual attention that maybe occurred many years ago, presents a most embarrassing sight. Perhaps once Beverly Young Nelson was young and pretty, and could awake passion in a man’s loins, but that was long time ago. And still this awkward creature effectively had stopped the suspect, Roy Moore from Alabama, from winning an election.

If this old crow were to claim she loaned Moore a hundred dollars thirty years ago and demanded it back with accrued interest, she would be laughed out of court. Where was she until now, where is the proof, people would say. Why nobody asks this question now, when the political career of the man is at stake? How could it be that a few unsubstantiated claims can ruin a man?

Moreover, this person has a name and a face, if an ugly one, but in many cases, the accuser remains anonymous, hidden by a letter, while the accused has a name, and a face, and often he had a job until this accusation. Only the Inquisition had similar features, with anonymous sources and obscure charges. Now we have sexquisition.

Is it a purely American phenomenon? A payback for Salem, where a similar spasm of mass paranoia caused a small New England town to hang some twenty women accused of witchcraft?

In Salem, men hunted witches; just three hundred years passed, and now witches hunt men.

Alas, no, it is a world-wide epidemic. The US is the model for the whole of Pax Americana, where people imitate American music and movies, and now they imitate this trend. No man of any confession or age is safe from persecution.

In Israel, the smaller soul-mate of America, a Rabbi has been indicted for raping and sodomising a teenage girl seven years ago. A feminist policewoman was given the case. The Rabbi spent a month in jail and almost a year under house arrest, he lost his job, his name was besmirched forever. Eventually it became clear that the girl couldn’t even remember and repeat her own lies. The State Prosecutor’s Office has withdrawn the indictment filed against Rabbi David Harrison, and he has been set free. Will somebody return to him the year of his life lost, his good name, his work? Will his accuser and the insistent policewoman pay for it? No.

He was anyway a lucky one. The Israeli President Moshe Katsav had less luck. His first accuser, hidden behind letter A. turned out to be a liar, and her claims were dismissed. But as her story unfolded, many women joined in the royal hunt, and eventually Katsav was jailed. Now, the judges in Israel are predominantly women, and men are doomed.

Europe meekly follows the US. There, the accused is a Swiss-born Muslim scholar Oxford University Professor Tariq Ramadan, the man who worked to make Muslims in Europe feel European. A string of women came claiming he raped them or made unwanted sexual advances to them some years ago. He had to take a leave of absence from the University.

In short, no man, Christian, Jew or Muslim, is safe from such an accusation, provided he has a name, a position and some money in his bank account. For a mysterious reason, ordinary hard-living guys, taxi drivers, lift operators or assembly belt workers were never remembered by the likes of Beverly Young Nelson twenty years later. Is it plausible that the working class blokes never push their way or even squeeze a girl? That only rich and famous guys do it?

This assault on men coincides with the very successful campaign #MeToo in the social networks. Many women were forced to join: if you didn’t, perhaps nobody ever found you attractive enough to make a pass. And they did join en masse. Men, too, are receptive to mass hysteria, but women much more so. Social networks are the breeding grounds for such trends.

Is there some kernel of truth in those woeful tales? Up to a point. Perfectly ordinary action can be described in extreme sensationalist language. Instead of saying “he embraced and kissed me”, use “he forcibly introduced his tongue into my mouth while holding me tight”, and then “by his weight he kept me pinned to the bed”. Sex can be described – by a Puritan, by a man-hater, by a psycho, – in such a way that you will call for death sentence for the perpetrator.

The word “rape” has little of its original meaning remaining. My friend Julian Assange has been imprisoned for years, and his perfectly consensual sex with two of his groupies has been described as ‘rape’ for some technicalities (a broken condom, a semi-sleeping or not fully awake condition). In both cases it was buyer’s remorse, the women regretted what they did after a couple of days because he did not call back. A man-hating woman, the state attorney, a self-proclaimed lesbian, insisted on sending Julian to jail. In her view, jail is a good place for any man, even if the complaint is baseless. Even after making such a discriminating statement, she was not fired.

Sweden has had a lot of rape complaints recently. Some readers connected it with mass immigration from the Middle East. And indeed a normal man from the Middle East may misinterpret girl’s words and actions. No means no, say the feminists, but it wasn’t so understood by European men even in the 1950s. A girl had to insist on her ‘no’, otherwise it would be construed as normal feminine way to be coy. So many ordinary actions are called ‘rape’ nowadays in Sweden, that the word had been properly devalued.

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Anything can be described in nauseating manner. Eating meat can be compared to cannibalism, flirt can be described as horrible rape. In the same time, actions that nauseate a normal person can be described as normal and even normative. Normal men are revolted by the description or presentation of same-sex relationships. Nowadays they are forced to accept it as normal while considering usual man-to-woman act as almost criminal.

Americans voted for Donald Trump hoping he would end the emasculating trend in their society. It still can be done by enforcing two simple rules that were taken for granted until the US Supreme Court removed them.

One, end with reminiscences. The Bible, this great source of common sense, tells us what rape is and how to deal with it. If the crime occurred in town, the woman should raise hell. She should cry and shout. If it did not help, or if the crime occurred out of town, she should go right away to police. Not twenty years later, not in a week time, not even in a couple of days, but right away. If she kept silent, it is her problem.

This attitude will solve the question whether the woman means ‘no’, when she says ‘no’. If she cries out for help, she definitely means that.

And there will be no sleeping mines ready to go off any moment.

Two, no anonymity for the accusers. If you accuse a man, be prepared to stand for it, do not hide behind the veil of anonymity.

This two simple rules will restore sanity and make rape the horrible crime it was and is.

As for harassment, this is most often an invention of man-haters. It should be out of criminal law and out of police business altogether. If a lady feels that somebody’s stares annoy her, she might sue the guy. Or call for a policeman if it is more than just stares. Policemen know how to deal with such guys.

Reminiscences of harassment have no value, even if true. If the woman did not act on the spot, forget it.

Otherwise, soon the US will have no normal men politicians left; only women and effeminate men. And then the disease will spread all over Europe, until the Old World and North America will be ready for its repopulation by virile Africans.

Russia remains a safe zone for males. Though many American trends come to Moscow, emasculation is not one of them. When, a few years ago, Russians banned same-sex propaganda for minors, they broke with emasculating trend. Actually, Russian women prefer things done Russian way, too. Men pay for dinners, keep doors open, help with putting a coat, in short, they keep doing what the American and European gentlemen did some fifty years ago.

Russia has had its #MeToo campaign a year ago (#янебоюсьсказать , I dare to tell, in Russian), and a lot of women recited or invented stories of their harassment. But it remained in the Facebook, for the law did not allow to complain years after the alleged crime occurred.

Moreover, the Russians consider sex between men and women as a normal thing. They have no horror of sex between a teacher and a student, or between a boss and his assistant. Reports on severe punishment American judges meted on female teacher having sex with teenage boys are met with bewilderment and disbelief. Out of fifty recent stories of this kind probably not even one of them would be punished in Russia. I wouldn’t understand, either, what is the harm for a 17 year old student to be seduced by his 23-year old teacher. The kid should be envied, if anything. This traditional attitude toward sex is the main reason for the current mass media attack on Russia, not the mythical “Russian hackers”.

It is very difficult to defend Weinstein, with his Holocaust obsession and his desire of taking revenge upon blondes. However, his case had opened the gates of Hell. Let us shut them up before the Yin and Yang, male-female balance of the universe collapse.

Why has the US been hit by this strange trouble? I would explain it as an undoing of the 1968 revolution, including the Sexual Revolution. For us, for children of 1960s, the living was easy, and sex was free and plentiful – in California, Crimea, Côte d’Azur. We had a lot of it, wonderful unprotected sex, often with strangers. That was Communism. Fear of free and available sex is the fear of Communism.

The rich guys and gals who came to power afterwards turned everything into money, and with that purpose on their minds they created scarcity, even scarcity of sex, a sex counter-revolution. Harassment complainants are the soldiers of the Sexual Counter-Revolution as they increase scarcity in order to monetize their charms. They will be the losers, poor things; hopefully they won’t ruin the world before they understand it.

Israel Shamir can be reached at adam@israelshamir.net

This article was first published at The Unz Review.

 
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  1. anon says: • Disclaimer

    Yup.

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    • Replies: @SMK
    I thought this was another woman-hating, MRA-like jeremiad until I read the comments about the "severe punishments," hideously draconian and bizarrely Orwellian, inflicted on women teachers for having sex with males students, now even 18-year-olds in many if not most jurisdictions, and the "bewilderment and disbelief" of Russians (and people in dozens of other nations and cultures) in respect to such cases and the view of the young men as "victims" who are "traumatized," devastated, and "scarred for life."

    In most of these intrigues, the woman isn't even guilty of seduction. Either the "victim" was the aggressor and initiator or their sexual union could be defined as a mutual coming together. In Milwaukee, Cassandra Sorenson-Grohall and Melissa Bittner were sentenced to prison because they were raped and molested by criminals and biological men who are absurdly defined as "children." Visit my website and read about these and other travesties. And Melissa -whose "victim" was charged with murder shortly thereafter- was innocent, transparently and totally.
    , @SMK
    In Muslim countries, these women would be beheaded or stoned to death or publicly caned or flogged in "moderate" Islamic cultures and nations -not because they had sex with young men under age 18 -after all, the youngest of the prophets many wives and sex-slaves was 6 when they married and 9 when their sacred union was consummated- but because they had sex outside of marriage.

    So it's telling and ironic that even Muslims would react with "bewilderment," indeed "disbelief," at the post-incarceration punishments inflicted on women teachers who have sex with biological men under statutory age; years of punitive "sex-offender treatment; years of quasi-totalitarian post-incarceration supervision; decades of electronic parole-monitoring with an ankle tether/"bracelet" they can never remove even when bathing or showering; public registration for life or at least 20-30 years as uniquely dangerous and degenerate criminals, their mug-shots, name, and addresses on the internet for all to see. The United States is sui generis in its lunacy and hysteria on this matter.
    , @LauraMR
    Nope.

    The article has a kernel of truth but it is too skewed to matter.
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  2. Renoman says:

    Well said.

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  3. Brabantian says: • Website

    Even arch-feminist Gloria Steinem, commenting in the 1990s during the accusations involving US President Bill Clinton, Steinem said that, in general, men had a privilege of ‘one free grope’ of a woman, so long as the man afterwards respected a ‘No, no more’ clear statement.

    The background idea of Steinem’s ‘One Free Grope’ rule, is that men need a little slack because they are generally stupid regarding women’s signals, plus the fact that women often are thrilled by bold action from a man in whom they are interested, to the point of preferring the ‘take me & grab me’ approach (of course by the *right* guy only!), versus the cuck-asking-for-permission route – which is in reality often a turn-off for many women, despite feminist claims.

    Given Israel Shamir’s obvious wit and scepticism about other matters, it’s odd that Shamir still promotes above, the bloke who all major nations know is a known faker & CIA & Israeli Mossad agent, the ‘not really living in the Ecuador Embassy’ Rothschild-lawyered Julian Assange – admitted to be fake by both Bibi Netanyahu himself, & Zbigniew Brzezinski, his leaks all ‘selected’ by the CIA & Mossad, as Netanyahu & Brzezinski informed us.

    Note that Assange & Snowden have left a trail of real dissidents jailed or dead after trusting these fake ‘leakers’ & their media pumpers such as Glenn Greenwald (jailed: Reality Leigh Winner, Lauri Love; dead: Seth Rich, Peter W Smith). We may never know how many other real dissidents were identified / silenced / killed after being duped into contacting Assange / Snowden / Greenwald.

    The Swedish fake ‘rape charges’ against Assange, were apparently dropped after Trump’s White House team learned that Assange and also ‘Edward Snowden’, were both CIA frauds developed during the Obama era.

    Proofs that Snowden & Assange are fake, are manifold & incontrovertible. E.g., per the ‘official story’ sold to us, Snowden first ‘leaked’ his nothing-new ‘revelations’, to Dick Cheney’s friend & biographer at the Washington Post, ha! Both Snowden & Assange fully prove themselves to be CIA agents, by the way they ignore the dossier on the bribe-taking USA federal judges in Virginia, who are the very judges who would be putting these fakers ‘on trial’ if they were genuine. But Snowden & Assange work to suppress the files that would easily and totally block their own extradition to the USA, if they really feared such a thing.

    We just learned recently, Assange had set up the US President’s son, Donald Trump Jr, to be criminally prosecuted .. Assange & Wikileaks recommended that young Trump violate the US federal CFAA law, the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which makes it a crime to attempt to log-in to a website using a stolen or guessed password. Assange ‘set up’ young Trump for a fall.

    It is clearly a laughable fairy tale that Assange has been ‘living in a closet at the Ecuador Embassy in London’ for most of the last decade, as noted in a recent article. It is an open joke amongst European diplomats that the public believes Assange is living there … the UK police ‘watch’ the embassy so they can move him in & out for meetings with Israel Shamir & other ‘admirers’, the Ecuadorians apparently getting some dosh to play along. Assange aided by his Rothschild lawyers, apparently actually lives at a UK country home of a Rothschild friend. And with the Swedish charges ‘dropped’, why is he still allegedly ‘living at the embassy’ (ha-ha)? Does Shamir actually believe these absurd stories about his lying ‘friend’ Assange, having gone ga-ga over this faker ‘celebrity’, or is Shamir doing Mossad a favour here?

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    Assange, Snowden, Glenn Greenwald etc...
     
    Hey, Brabantian. Unfortunately, there is no private messaging component to this site. I'm very interested in any information about these characters and what the strongest proof available is that (as I suspect also) they and others are fake opposition controlled by the Intel agencies.

    I would greatly appreciate if you sent me an email at revusky (at) gmail.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Any evidence for your last paragraph story about Assange? If there is I would like to put it to a well known broadcaster/journalist oldfashioned lefty friend who has visited Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy.

    Why doesn't Assange now leave the Embassy?

    1. He would be arrested for his previous contempt of court or whatever it might be as a crime to fail to front up to court when on bail before he sought adylum; More dangerous for him....
    2. He could face an extradition request by the US (remember that "sealed indictment?) now that the Swedes no longer have priority.

    , @pogohere
    What is Going On with Wikileaks? Assange MIA, MacFadyen Dead and the CIA Honeypot Trying to Tank the Clinton Campaign? What Gives?

    10-23-16

    I’ve been asked on several occasions about what I think is going on with Wikileaks and all these document dumps they are releasing trying to derail the Hillary train, at least in terms of appearances, when in fact we all know that Wikileaks is a CIA honeypot designed to:

    1. aid various regime change propaganda as needed by influencing the more left-wing of the alternative media outlets

    2. serve as a black hole for real leaks from real whistle-blowers when they make the mistake of trusting Wikileaks and sending something to them

    Wikileaks was established in 2006 at a time when real whistle-blowers like William Binney, Russ Tice, Mark Klein (Room 641A ) and a few others were starting to make things really difficult for our glorious leaders who had a totally different world in mind for us to live in. You may also recall in 2004 the story of Abu Ghraib broke complete with leaked photos depicting horrific torture being conducted by our troops who were running the detention center.

    So in 2006 something needed to be done in order to keep real whistle-blowers from getting their stories on the front pages of every news paper and website in the country and thus, Wikileaks was born. The idea of a honeypot was hatched.

    http://tinyurl.com/j4ag7r8

    Wikileaks: a big dangerous US Government Con Job

    by F. William Engdahl


    12-10-10

    The story on the surface makes for a script for a new Oliver Stone Hollywood thriller. However, a closer look at the details of what has so far been carefully leaked by the most ultra-establishment of international media such as the New York Times reveals a clear agenda. That agenda coincidentally serves to buttress that of US geopolitics around the world from Iran to North Korea. The Wikileaks is a big and dangerous US intelligence Con Job which will likely be used to police the Internet.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article167733.html

    Who is Behind Wikileaks?

    Originally published in December 2010

    “World bankers, by pulling a few simple levers that control the flow of money, can make or break entire economies. By controlling press releases of economic strategies that shape national trends, the power elite are able to not only tighten their stranglehold on this nation’s economic structure, but can extend that control world wide. Those possessing such power would logically want to remain in the background, invisible to the average citizen.” (Aldous Huxley)

    Wikleaks is upheld as a breakthrough in the battle against media disinformation and the lies of the US government.

    Unquestionably, the released documents constitute an important and valuable data bank. The documents have been used by critical researchers since the outset of the Wikileaks project. Wikileaks earlier revelations have focussed on US war crimes in Afghanistan (July 2010) as well as issues pertaining to civil liberties and the “militarization of the Homeland” (see Tom Burghardt, Militarizing the “Homeland” in Response to the Economic and Political Crisis, Global Research, October 11, 2008)

    In October 2010, WikiLeaks was reported to have released some 400,000 classified Iraq war documents, covering events from 2004 to 2009 (Tom Burghardt, The WikiLeaks Release: U.S. Complicity and Cover-Up of Iraq Torture Exposed, Global Research, October 24, 2010). These revelations contained in the Wikileaks Iraq War Logs provide “further evidence of the Pentagon’s role in the systematic torture of Iraqi citizens by the U.S.-installed post-Saddam regime.” (Ibid)
    . . .
    From the outset, Wikileaks’ geopolitical focus on “oppressive regimes” in Eurasia and the Middle East was “appealing” to America’s elites, i.e. it seemingly matched stated US foreign policy objectives. Moreover, the composition of the Wikileaks team (which included Chinese dissidents), not to mention the methodology of “exposing secrets” of foreign governments, were in tune with the practices of US covert operations geared towards triggering “regime change” and fostering “color revolutions” in different parts of the World.

    The Role of the Corporate Media: The Central Role of the New York Times

    Wikileaks is not a typical alternative media initiative. The New York Times, the Guardian and Der Spiegel are directly involved in the editing and selection of leaked documents. The London Economist has also played an important role.

    While the project and its editor Julian Assange reveal a commitment and concern for truth in media, the recent Wikileaks releases of embassy cables have been carefully “redacted” by the mainstream media in liaison with the US government. (See Interview with David E. Sanger, Fresh Air, PBS, December 8, 2010)

    This collaboration between Wikileaks and selected mainstream media is not fortuitous; it was part of an agreement between several major US and European newspapers and Wikileaks’ editor Julian Assange.

    The important question is who controls and oversees the selection, distribution and editing of released documents to the broader public?

    What US foreign policy objectives are being served through this redacting process?

    Is Wikileaks part of an awakening of public opinion, of a battle against the lies and fabrications which appear daily in the print media and on network TV?

    If so, how can this battle against media disinformation be waged with the participation and collaboration of the corporate architects of media disinformation?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-behind-wikileaks-2/22389
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  4. Feminist tempest in a Jewish teapot writ large. Consider it a new holocaust. All this happens to the 1%, almost all of it to happening to smarmy American Jews and so WTF do I care down here at the grass roots what happens to politicians and entertainers and celebrities? They hate me anyway. Like the article sez, no one is coming after MY plain old money. But if I had gained fame and extreme fortune, I can think of many that were pissed off I didn’t call back that would claim lots of things 30 years later. And fact of the matter is, if these liars (and 99% of them ARE liars) got their asses kicked for their lies by those they lie about as they would at the grass roots, we wouldn’t have these issues. I guess all these Jews forgot how to kick ass.

    But overall? I love the churn. It’s almost like the abortion thing. I’m pro-life, but I also consider that it’s only pro-choice feminists that get them. They destroy their own spawn, a good thing overall. Same-same with this. As I said, feminists and Jewey-Jewey wannabe Israeli assholes in Hollywood, academia and politics that hate me anyway are ugly old fools with ugly wives that want some pussy, most of them are pussy-deprived nerds that couldn’t get pussy on a one-to-one basis but thought they could find their way in with their wealth, fame or power. It worked for decades, and chicks would give them that pussy if there was something in it for them. Chicks being chicks, whatever they got then, they recently discovered there’s something in it for them now, sympathy, money, attention and so here we are. The Jews from the Archie Bunker set, the Lears, Carl and Rob Riener and the whole collection of them out there and in NYC deliberately invented and pushed their feminist/racist narrative against White men. They invented new battles to get us fighting with one another so they could commence their theft of our values and morals and command over banks and media and corporations. Soros the Jew invented #blm for just this very reason. Think he raped a few? Over there he probably just killed his shiksas. That we’re finally recognizing the effects must be a real shock. Even Larry David, Jew that HE is, and also a destructive one, noticed.

    When we consider the rape these Jews inflicted here in the United States after all, the rapes of women were the least of the damage. That’s already done. Nice to see a few of them having to face their own music, the narrative THEY wrote for the rest of us, never considering it might apply to them. They remind me of Bill Clinton, who wrote a host, a raft FULL of regulations as regards relations between men in power and their female underlings. He invented Sexual Harassment as a legislative and civil litigation industry for the lawyers but he did so without a notion that he was subject to it. As Jews in media built the Rape Culture Hysteria, they never dreamed it would be THEY that were falsely accused, hectored, sued, run out of business or office. And so, once again, I don’t see the trouble, I only see features to this, real benefits. 2% of the population provides 50% of our legislators. The rapey Jews up there like Franken and his ilk have to go. But meanwhile, let the show go on. As I said, it has nothing to do with me or my women.

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    Even arch-feminist Gloria Steinem, commenting in the 1990s during the accusations involving US President Bill Clinton, Steinem said that, in general, men had a privilege of ‘one free grope’ of a woman, so long as the man afterwards respected a ‘No, no more’ clear statement.
     
    Is there a time duration or interval constraint on this "one free grope of a woman", or can a man in a crowded train sequentially grope each woman once until receiving an approving response? The local constabulary may have something to say about such behavior, however. One should be forgiven for observing that Ms. Steinem may have been motivated by a deficit of gropes...
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  5. The root of it all is, women have to monetize their beauty, one way or another. If they have no beauty, they have to monetize their skills, as do men, but they get pissed off at that. And so was invented, feminism, the ideology by which ugly fucking women brutalize men for not asking them to the prom, to the alter for marriage. And we, men, especially Jewish men, allowed feminists that power, the Jews for their own purposes. And here we are, a hassled by a weak, whiny collection of women that didn’t get their asking price, TBD thirty years later. And instead of telling them to fuck OFF, which we could do with ZERO consequence, we allow them to tyrannize us.

    Actually, they make me wish I could be around for the coming brutal Hispanic and Muslim Patriarchies, which will in fact, tell them to fuck off, quite without consequence. Women’s rights were one thing. This shit here needs to end. And one way or the other, it will.

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    This shit started when those "sinister Levites" (Douglas Reed's word for them) decided that their "Yahweh" was to be the one and only god and they deprived him of his wife whose name was Asherah - Mother Nature. At the same time they decided to instil fear and hatred of the neighbours in their pathetic little flock telling them that they must not befriend any of the neighbours - "because they hate you and all of mankind hates you."
    That was the beginning of the domination of the Thinking Mind and the denigration of the Feminine Mind called Feeling.
    THAT is why we are ruled more and more by machines and technology - and women have been masculinized and Mother Nature and Feeling has been denigrated - and women are no longer women - and the only ones we hear about - endlessly - are the ugly, brutish masculinised *women" who actually murder their own babies in their wombs.
    No real woman would be able to do such a brutish thing.
    It IS "women's lib" which has destroyed Western Civilisation and Christianity - and it was created by the CIA and several Jewesses!
    Of course, at around the same time as the Jews were destroying Asherah there was Socrates - a homosexual - promoting what he thought of as "logic" (It really is not logical at all to believe in only the material World - but he did. That is another expression of the Thinking Mind.
    It has taken this long - but a new age is dawning and please God we do not continue on with the destruction of Mother Nature and the Earth. It is the way things work - they become increasingly unbalanced - until a New AGE dawns
    So, we are unbalanced because the Masculine Mind f Thinking or "logic" has become so clever at inventing machines - which are killing us!
    Read "Technology Rising". by Patrick Wood. It makes one's hair stand on end with sheer terror. Unless we bring back a real love and feeling for Mother Nature and the Earth we are doomed to real Horror.
    Why are Jewish women so dominating and Jewish men so weak?
    Why is it that Jewish women teach their children that all the rest of mankind hates them? How can a real woman do this to her own child?
    Anyway - !They took her and smashed her and burnt her and ground her fine to powder and threw her in the River Hebron,"
    That is what they did to the symbols of The Asherah - such as The Tree of Life.
    The language sounds as if they had an intense hatred for Asherah - or Mother Nature.

    I hope it makes sense to some people out there. Read Jung and his description of the different aspects of Mind. Thinking and Feeling are opposite - very opposite unless and until one grows up and becomes w hole human being.

    Anyway - it surely does explain what is going on and it explains why the Jews are so sick - and they really are! It would be so good for us all - especially them - if they would just learn to be human - and if they would just learn what is right and what is wrong, what is good and what is bad and what is true and what is false!
    They need desperately tolearn that it is they who are sick, not all the rest of mankind!
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  6. TheJester says:

    Many dating websites publish statistics on “who’s hot” and “who’s not” based on the racial preferences listed by subscribers. Measured over time, the racial preference trends have proved consistent. Below is an analysis of one such dating site’s data.

    As anyone can clearly see, there are favorites. When it comes to the highest positive response rate, most women, regardless of their race, appear to favor white men, whereas most men, again, regardless of their race, tend to favor Asian women. In terms of the lowest response rate, women appeared to shun black men, whereas men tended to shun black women.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/pop-psych/201401/what-does-online-dating-tell-us-about-racial-views

    Another dating website, OkCupid, is a cornucopia of data on racial preferences. In an analysis of preferences from 2009 through 2014, that data clearly shows that, as above, white men are “hot” for all racial groups. However, white men are showing an increasing preference for Asian women over white women. The crossover point was 2010.

    http://longislandreport.org/news/racial-preferences-emerge-in-online-dating/22327

    Does the white “feminazi” movement have anything to do with this? I believe it does, as the feminist movement becomes progressively more radicalized in the name of ideological purity and group solidarity.

    And the message is clear. White women are increasing proving too hostile and dangerous for white men to be around. If I was a young white male in the university or workplace today, I would avoid them like the plague. Make a casual complement such as, “That is a pretty dress you’re wearing today …,” and you can find yourself hauled before a university or corporate tribunal (a sexquisition as Sharim calls them) staffed by feminists bent on destroying the White Male Patriarchy and the men that comprise it.

    The white female’s increasing misandry (the hatred or dislike of men) is having consequences.

    A Brookings Institute Internet shorts suggest that white women are finding it increasingly hard to find husbands.

    Back in the 1970s, it might have been raining men, but today there’s a veritable drought — at least for two groups of single ladies.

    The question of whether America’s women have enough marriageable men was taken on by Brookings Institution senior fellow Isabel Sawhill and former senior research assistant Joanna Venator. Their answer isn’t all that reassuring for two distinct groups of women: college-educated women and black women.

    The study, which used data from the Current Population Survey and the General Social Survey, found that recent trends in men’s earnings and college graduation rates, as well as the high incarceration rate for black men, are to blame for an uneven balance between the genders in those two groups.

    Overall, men are not only earning less than they used to, but they’re failing to enroll in colleges at the same rate as their female counterparts. The result is that there are only 85 men for every 100 women who are 25 to 35 years old and who are college educated.

    That’s the prime marrying age for Americans, given that men and women tend to be in their late 20s when they marry for the first time, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

    The report may back up what single women with college degrees have been sensing for years: The pickings are slim.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/these-women-cant-find-enough-marriageable-men/

    As the saying goes, if white women continue their hostility toward white men, “They ain’t seen nothing yet!”

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    Very interesting set of statistics. I confess to being partial to East Asian women - partly for their feminine looks, but mostly because partnership with them feels very "natural" from the perspective of sexual roles. To each his own, I guess.
    , @Cloak And Dagger

    If I was a young white male in the university or workplace today, I would avoid them like the plague. Make a casual complement such as, “That is a pretty dress you’re wearing today …,” and you can find yourself hauled before a university or corporate tribunal (a sexquisition as Sharim calls them) staffed by feminists bent on destroying the White Male Patriarchy and the men that comprise it.
     
    So true. This reminds me of Mattress Girl: Emma Sulkowicz.
    , @Thirdeye
    I'd be interested to learn how the gender balance among college grads breaks down among the various racial groups. Black and Latin women are far out-achieving their male cohorts. There's going to be some serious fence-jumping going on between educated white men and nonwhite women. At least the reasonably attractive ones not obsessed with their racial status.
    , @jacques sheete

    If I was a young white male in the university or workplace today, I would avoid them like the plague.
     
    It's good to see my own bias confirmed. I often recommend that to young as well as old males, and the ones who ignore my "Go Asian" advice soon learn to regret it.

    They must be Asian born and raised however. The ones raised in 'Merka are as nasty as the 'Merkin white ones, and that goes double for the ones from rich families.

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  7. Michelle says:

    Asian women are just not as unhappy as white women. They are much more emotionally mature. I don’t know why my white sisters are so confrontational, but they are. Very bitter and unhappy. Of course, I don’t have one Asian friend or co-worker whose father left the family. Many of the white women I know were raised by divorced women, who were furious at their ex husbands. Divorce is the cause of a lot of misery.

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    Not just divorce, but my daughter goes to high school in a mostly White and well to do area of Chicago-land. I was not so surprised that many of her friends come from divorced homes, but was pretty shocked at the number (not a large one but not an insignificant number either) of her friends that come from households where either the mother or the father (in one case both!) literally just up and walked out of the family without explanation! Obviously ended in divorce, but I thought people at least talked these things out.

    Peace.
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  8. You’re not a child anymore honey. LOL

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  9. Talha says:
    @Michelle
    Asian women are just not as unhappy as white women. They are much more emotionally mature. I don't know why my white sisters are so confrontational, but they are. Very bitter and unhappy. Of course, I don't have one Asian friend or co-worker whose father left the family. Many of the white women I know were raised by divorced women, who were furious at their ex husbands. Divorce is the cause of a lot of misery.

    Not just divorce, but my daughter goes to high school in a mostly White and well to do area of Chicago-land. I was not so surprised that many of her friends come from divorced homes, but was pretty shocked at the number (not a large one but not an insignificant number either) of her friends that come from households where either the mother or the father (in one case both!) literally just up and walked out of the family without explanation! Obviously ended in divorce, but I thought people at least talked these things out.

    Peace.

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    Happily married, but I'd rather have my husband divorce me upfront than take another wife and bring her home.
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    She's so busy inventing her own assaults by campus conservative Haven Monahans, she has no energy left to acknowledge the real ones.
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    Oh, to be a fly on the wall....

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5098879/Lena-Dunham-accused-hipster-racism-writer.html
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  11. @Anon
    Choosing Tribe or Sex.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/lena-dunham-apologizes-defending-girls-writer-murray-miller-accusations-sexual-assault-1059803

    She’s so busy inventing her own assaults by campus conservative Haven Monahans, she has no energy left to acknowledge the real ones.

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  12. Cortes says:

    It’s going to be interesting when someone pleads before the Court:

    “She bust the condom”

    or

    “She promised to take the Morning After pill”

    Etc.

    “someone” being well endowed with (coughs) money.

    Any lack of gold diggers in herstory?

    Scales of justice, sauce for the gander and all that…

    A Gorgeous George Galloway type arguing “she threw herself at me?”

    Fun ahead when an A-List woman gets reamed in law.

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  13. Cyrano says:

    US is a busy country. Momentarily they are involved in wars on multiple fronts: War on terror, war on drugs, war on racism, war on religious intolerance, war on poverty, war on sexual discrimination, and now war on sex crimes.

    It seems that they have forgotten what works best in this type of situations. The best strategy is to take the adversaries from one of these wars and direct them to fight the adversaries from another one.

    Same like they used to do in the 80’s. Using Islam to fight Communism. And then when Islam “wins” invent the war on terror and just keep going.

    In the present situation I suggest that they combine the war on drugs with the war on sex crimes. Use the vicious foot soldiers from the Mexican drug cartels and direct their positive energies to go after the fat degenerates from Hollywood. Not only the sex crimes will end in no time, the whole operation might actually produce some scripts with Oscar winning potential.

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  14. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha
    Not just divorce, but my daughter goes to high school in a mostly White and well to do area of Chicago-land. I was not so surprised that many of her friends come from divorced homes, but was pretty shocked at the number (not a large one but not an insignificant number either) of her friends that come from households where either the mother or the father (in one case both!) literally just up and walked out of the family without explanation! Obviously ended in divorce, but I thought people at least talked these things out.

    Peace.

    Happily married, but I’d rather have my husband divorce me upfront than take another wife and bring her home.

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    I totally get that - i’d venture that most women from non-tribal cultures feel the same.

    Peace.
    , @anonymous
    :D

    Given what I believe is Talha's faith, from the few posts of his, and I could be very wrong about that, either he did not get the snark, or has chosen to not take that too personally.

    You do understand that many women live under the "happily married" delusion, even when their husband is "happily banging" somebody on the side?

    Isn't that quite prevalent in your decadent lands?

    Would you be okay with that as long as you don't know?

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  15. @TheJester
    Many dating websites publish statistics on "who's hot" and "who's not" based on the racial preferences listed by subscribers. Measured over time, the racial preference trends have proved consistent. Below is an analysis of one such dating site's data.

    As anyone can clearly see, there are favorites. When it comes to the highest positive response rate, most women, regardless of their race, appear to favor white men, whereas most men, again, regardless of their race, tend to favor Asian women. In terms of the lowest response rate, women appeared to shun black men, whereas men tended to shun black women.
     
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/pop-psych/201401/what-does-online-dating-tell-us-about-racial-views

    Another dating website, OkCupid, is a cornucopia of data on racial preferences. In an analysis of preferences from 2009 through 2014, that data clearly shows that, as above, white men are "hot" for all racial groups. However, white men are showing an increasing preference for Asian women over white women. The crossover point was 2010.

    http://longislandreport.org/news/racial-preferences-emerge-in-online-dating/22327

    Does the white "feminazi" movement have anything to do with this? I believe it does, as the feminist movement becomes progressively more radicalized in the name of ideological purity and group solidarity.

    And the message is clear. White women are increasing proving too hostile and dangerous for white men to be around. If I was a young white male in the university or workplace today, I would avoid them like the plague. Make a casual complement such as, "That is a pretty dress you're wearing today ...," and you can find yourself hauled before a university or corporate tribunal (a sexquisition as Sharim calls them) staffed by feminists bent on destroying the White Male Patriarchy and the men that comprise it.

    The white female's increasing misandry (the hatred or dislike of men) is having consequences.

    A Brookings Institute Internet shorts suggest that white women are finding it increasingly hard to find husbands.

    Back in the 1970s, it might have been raining men, but today there's a veritable drought -- at least for two groups of single ladies.

    The question of whether America's women have enough marriageable men was taken on by Brookings Institution senior fellow Isabel Sawhill and former senior research assistant Joanna Venator. Their answer isn't all that reassuring for two distinct groups of women: college-educated women and black women.

    The study, which used data from the Current Population Survey and the General Social Survey, found that recent trends in men's earnings and college graduation rates, as well as the high incarceration rate for black men, are to blame for an uneven balance between the genders in those two groups.

    Overall, men are not only earning less than they used to, but they're failing to enroll in colleges at the same rate as their female counterparts. The result is that there are only 85 men for every 100 women who are 25 to 35 years old and who are college educated.

    That's the prime marrying age for Americans, given that men and women tend to be in their late 20s when they marry for the first time, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

    The report may back up what single women with college degrees have been sensing for years: The pickings are slim.
     
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/these-women-cant-find-enough-marriageable-men/

    As the saying goes, if white women continue their hostility toward white men, "They ain't seen nothing yet!"

    Very interesting set of statistics. I confess to being partial to East Asian women – partly for their feminine looks, but mostly because partnership with them feels very “natural” from the perspective of sexual roles. To each his own, I guess.

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    East Asian women (generally) do not have "feminine looks." They are closer to African women than to White women in regards to the spectrum of physiological masculinity-femininity.

    What East Asian women (generally) do exhibit is a cooperative attitude, willingness to defer to a social superior when the superior's opinion conflicts with hers, and energy (they tend to be much less whiny and lazy than White women). However, they also tend to be very intelligent, which I normally would consider to be a masculine psychological characteristic, and also very good at dissembling, so it is possible that their apparently demure attitude may be a deceptive pretense. (Personally, I would say it is most likely a deceptive pretense in most cases judging from my observation of the behavior of East Asian females in contexts where they are not trying to attract, please, or appease a male.)
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  16. @TheJester
    Many dating websites publish statistics on "who's hot" and "who's not" based on the racial preferences listed by subscribers. Measured over time, the racial preference trends have proved consistent. Below is an analysis of one such dating site's data.

    As anyone can clearly see, there are favorites. When it comes to the highest positive response rate, most women, regardless of their race, appear to favor white men, whereas most men, again, regardless of their race, tend to favor Asian women. In terms of the lowest response rate, women appeared to shun black men, whereas men tended to shun black women.
     
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/pop-psych/201401/what-does-online-dating-tell-us-about-racial-views

    Another dating website, OkCupid, is a cornucopia of data on racial preferences. In an analysis of preferences from 2009 through 2014, that data clearly shows that, as above, white men are "hot" for all racial groups. However, white men are showing an increasing preference for Asian women over white women. The crossover point was 2010.

    http://longislandreport.org/news/racial-preferences-emerge-in-online-dating/22327

    Does the white "feminazi" movement have anything to do with this? I believe it does, as the feminist movement becomes progressively more radicalized in the name of ideological purity and group solidarity.

    And the message is clear. White women are increasing proving too hostile and dangerous for white men to be around. If I was a young white male in the university or workplace today, I would avoid them like the plague. Make a casual complement such as, "That is a pretty dress you're wearing today ...," and you can find yourself hauled before a university or corporate tribunal (a sexquisition as Sharim calls them) staffed by feminists bent on destroying the White Male Patriarchy and the men that comprise it.

    The white female's increasing misandry (the hatred or dislike of men) is having consequences.

    A Brookings Institute Internet shorts suggest that white women are finding it increasingly hard to find husbands.

    Back in the 1970s, it might have been raining men, but today there's a veritable drought -- at least for two groups of single ladies.

    The question of whether America's women have enough marriageable men was taken on by Brookings Institution senior fellow Isabel Sawhill and former senior research assistant Joanna Venator. Their answer isn't all that reassuring for two distinct groups of women: college-educated women and black women.

    The study, which used data from the Current Population Survey and the General Social Survey, found that recent trends in men's earnings and college graduation rates, as well as the high incarceration rate for black men, are to blame for an uneven balance between the genders in those two groups.

    Overall, men are not only earning less than they used to, but they're failing to enroll in colleges at the same rate as their female counterparts. The result is that there are only 85 men for every 100 women who are 25 to 35 years old and who are college educated.

    That's the prime marrying age for Americans, given that men and women tend to be in their late 20s when they marry for the first time, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

    The report may back up what single women with college degrees have been sensing for years: The pickings are slim.
     
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/these-women-cant-find-enough-marriageable-men/

    As the saying goes, if white women continue their hostility toward white men, "They ain't seen nothing yet!"

    If I was a young white male in the university or workplace today, I would avoid them like the plague. Make a casual complement such as, “That is a pretty dress you’re wearing today …,” and you can find yourself hauled before a university or corporate tribunal (a sexquisition as Sharim calls them) staffed by feminists bent on destroying the White Male Patriarchy and the men that comprise it.

    So true. This reminds me of Mattress Girl: Emma Sulkowicz.

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    Mattress Girl's father is Jewish. Her mother has a Chinese surname and is obviously of predominantly East Asian ancestry, though not necessarily 100% Han.

    How is a Jewsian psycho bitch a good example of a White American woman?
    , @Eagle Eye
    Emma Sulkowicz will almost certainly end up like Monica Lewinsky, forever defined by THAT episode, whatever the rights and wrongs.
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  17. Talha says:
    @Anon
    Happily married, but I'd rather have my husband divorce me upfront than take another wife and bring her home.

    I totally get that – i’d venture that most women from non-tribal cultures feel the same.

    Peace.

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  18. üeljang says:
    @Cloak And Dagger
    Very interesting set of statistics. I confess to being partial to East Asian women - partly for their feminine looks, but mostly because partnership with them feels very "natural" from the perspective of sexual roles. To each his own, I guess.

    East Asian women (generally) do not have “feminine looks.” They are closer to African women than to White women in regards to the spectrum of physiological masculinity-femininity.

    What East Asian women (generally) do exhibit is a cooperative attitude, willingness to defer to a social superior when the superior’s opinion conflicts with hers, and energy (they tend to be much less whiny and lazy than White women). However, they also tend to be very intelligent, which I normally would consider to be a masculine psychological characteristic, and also very good at dissembling, so it is possible that their apparently demure attitude may be a deceptive pretense. (Personally, I would say it is most likely a deceptive pretense in most cases judging from my observation of the behavior of East Asian females in contexts where they are not trying to attract, please, or appease a male.)

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    East Asian women (generally) do not have “feminine looks.”
     
    You should see the ones I hang out with!
    , @Thirdeye
    The demure facade is part of a strategy, and a quite effective one. Making someone want to give is so much more effective than demanding like an entitled white bitch. But east Asian women can also be assertive depending on context - wanting lots of attention/assurance, managing her beau's appearance, asserting control in the domestic sphere (backed up by OCD levels of housework).

    What measures of femininity group east Asian women with African women? That seems awfully strange. East Asian women might come in low in some measures (curves) but very high in others (neoteny, lack of body hair). African women come in high on curves but pretty low on just about everything else. Caucasian women come in somewhere in between.
    , @jacques sheete

    East Asian women (generally) do not have “feminine looks.”
     
    ?????
    , @TheBoom
    Nonsense re: East Asian women not having feminine looks. I live in Eastern Asia and have lived in three countries here. All the white men I know here are struck by how Eastern Asian women are more feminine and take better care of themselves.
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  19. üeljang says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    If I was a young white male in the university or workplace today, I would avoid them like the plague. Make a casual complement such as, “That is a pretty dress you’re wearing today …,” and you can find yourself hauled before a university or corporate tribunal (a sexquisition as Sharim calls them) staffed by feminists bent on destroying the White Male Patriarchy and the men that comprise it.
     
    So true. This reminds me of Mattress Girl: Emma Sulkowicz.

    Mattress Girl’s father is Jewish. Her mother has a Chinese surname and is obviously of predominantly East Asian ancestry, though not necessarily 100% Han.

    How is a Jewsian psycho bitch a good example of a White American woman?

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    My comment was in response to the climate at universities by @TheJester - which reminded me of the situation surrounding Mattress Girl and the drama at her university - not a comment on her ethnicity.
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  20. @üeljang
    East Asian women (generally) do not have "feminine looks." They are closer to African women than to White women in regards to the spectrum of physiological masculinity-femininity.

    What East Asian women (generally) do exhibit is a cooperative attitude, willingness to defer to a social superior when the superior's opinion conflicts with hers, and energy (they tend to be much less whiny and lazy than White women). However, they also tend to be very intelligent, which I normally would consider to be a masculine psychological characteristic, and also very good at dissembling, so it is possible that their apparently demure attitude may be a deceptive pretense. (Personally, I would say it is most likely a deceptive pretense in most cases judging from my observation of the behavior of East Asian females in contexts where they are not trying to attract, please, or appease a male.)

    East Asian women (generally) do not have “feminine looks.”

    You should see the ones I hang out with!

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  21. Thirdeye says:
    @üeljang
    East Asian women (generally) do not have "feminine looks." They are closer to African women than to White women in regards to the spectrum of physiological masculinity-femininity.

    What East Asian women (generally) do exhibit is a cooperative attitude, willingness to defer to a social superior when the superior's opinion conflicts with hers, and energy (they tend to be much less whiny and lazy than White women). However, they also tend to be very intelligent, which I normally would consider to be a masculine psychological characteristic, and also very good at dissembling, so it is possible that their apparently demure attitude may be a deceptive pretense. (Personally, I would say it is most likely a deceptive pretense in most cases judging from my observation of the behavior of East Asian females in contexts where they are not trying to attract, please, or appease a male.)

    The demure facade is part of a strategy, and a quite effective one. Making someone want to give is so much more effective than demanding like an entitled white bitch. But east Asian women can also be assertive depending on context – wanting lots of attention/assurance, managing her beau’s appearance, asserting control in the domestic sphere (backed up by OCD levels of housework).

    What measures of femininity group east Asian women with African women? That seems awfully strange. East Asian women might come in low in some measures (curves) but very high in others (neoteny, lack of body hair). African women come in high on curves but pretty low on just about everything else. Caucasian women come in somewhere in between.

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  22. Thirdeye says:
    @TheJester
    Many dating websites publish statistics on "who's hot" and "who's not" based on the racial preferences listed by subscribers. Measured over time, the racial preference trends have proved consistent. Below is an analysis of one such dating site's data.

    As anyone can clearly see, there are favorites. When it comes to the highest positive response rate, most women, regardless of their race, appear to favor white men, whereas most men, again, regardless of their race, tend to favor Asian women. In terms of the lowest response rate, women appeared to shun black men, whereas men tended to shun black women.
     
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/pop-psych/201401/what-does-online-dating-tell-us-about-racial-views

    Another dating website, OkCupid, is a cornucopia of data on racial preferences. In an analysis of preferences from 2009 through 2014, that data clearly shows that, as above, white men are "hot" for all racial groups. However, white men are showing an increasing preference for Asian women over white women. The crossover point was 2010.

    http://longislandreport.org/news/racial-preferences-emerge-in-online-dating/22327

    Does the white "feminazi" movement have anything to do with this? I believe it does, as the feminist movement becomes progressively more radicalized in the name of ideological purity and group solidarity.

    And the message is clear. White women are increasing proving too hostile and dangerous for white men to be around. If I was a young white male in the university or workplace today, I would avoid them like the plague. Make a casual complement such as, "That is a pretty dress you're wearing today ...," and you can find yourself hauled before a university or corporate tribunal (a sexquisition as Sharim calls them) staffed by feminists bent on destroying the White Male Patriarchy and the men that comprise it.

    The white female's increasing misandry (the hatred or dislike of men) is having consequences.

    A Brookings Institute Internet shorts suggest that white women are finding it increasingly hard to find husbands.

    Back in the 1970s, it might have been raining men, but today there's a veritable drought -- at least for two groups of single ladies.

    The question of whether America's women have enough marriageable men was taken on by Brookings Institution senior fellow Isabel Sawhill and former senior research assistant Joanna Venator. Their answer isn't all that reassuring for two distinct groups of women: college-educated women and black women.

    The study, which used data from the Current Population Survey and the General Social Survey, found that recent trends in men's earnings and college graduation rates, as well as the high incarceration rate for black men, are to blame for an uneven balance between the genders in those two groups.

    Overall, men are not only earning less than they used to, but they're failing to enroll in colleges at the same rate as their female counterparts. The result is that there are only 85 men for every 100 women who are 25 to 35 years old and who are college educated.

    That's the prime marrying age for Americans, given that men and women tend to be in their late 20s when they marry for the first time, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

    The report may back up what single women with college degrees have been sensing for years: The pickings are slim.
     
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/these-women-cant-find-enough-marriageable-men/

    As the saying goes, if white women continue their hostility toward white men, "They ain't seen nothing yet!"

    I’d be interested to learn how the gender balance among college grads breaks down among the various racial groups. Black and Latin women are far out-achieving their male cohorts. There’s going to be some serious fence-jumping going on between educated white men and nonwhite women. At least the reasonably attractive ones not obsessed with their racial status.

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  23. “Otherwise, soon the US will have no normal men politicians left; only women and effeminate men. And then the disease will spread all over Europe, until the Old World and North America will be ready for its repopulation by virile Africans.”

    That ship already sailed.

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  24. @üeljang
    Mattress Girl's father is Jewish. Her mother has a Chinese surname and is obviously of predominantly East Asian ancestry, though not necessarily 100% Han.

    How is a Jewsian psycho bitch a good example of a White American woman?

    My comment was in response to the climate at universities by – which reminded me of the situation surrounding Mattress Girl and the drama at her university – not a comment on her ethnicity.

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  25. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Bigger problem is sexual conquest.

    After all, blacks are the biggest harassers, rapists, and etc… but where are the allegations against them?
    Blacks are protected by their iconic status.

    Because blacks are good in sports, dance music, and pleasure women with big dongs, they have ICONIC and IDOL power. Idols are pagan objects of worship and override any moral consideration. So, blacks can rob, rape, and murder all year around. Moral disapproval of black behavior is overridden by white worship of black idols in sports, sex, and music. Come superbowl time, and even ‘racist’ whites are cheering for black athletes who hump 1000s of white female fans.

    It’s like the story of pagan gods. The gods are vain, fickle, egotistical, and destructive. But they are still worshiped and honored for their idolic and iconic power. Their idol power means they are beyond good and evil. They are just awesome.
    And women are honored to have sex with gods and have half-god babies even if they will be single mothers. Achilles is the son of a single mother who did it with a god. Today, we see this with white women who would rather be single mothers with mulatto kids than married mothers with white husbands.
    Even though black men don’t stick around, the white single mother feels blessed to have a child with a REAL man. Jungle fever idolizes black men as the gods of manhood.

    Female psychology works that way.

    The fatal formula for any race is (1) female freedom + (2) presence of men tougher than the men of your own race.

    Female freedom is not a problem IF white men are the toughest in society. Then, white women will use their freedom to stick with white men who are deemed best. But female freedom is a problem in a society where black guys routinely demonstrate their superiority over white guys in sports, fighting, sex, and dance music.

    This is why white manhood needs safe space from black threat.

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    After all, blacks are the biggest harassers, rapists, and etc… but where are the allegations against them?
     
    Statistics on sexual misconduct complaints against students, where available, indicate blacks are the subject of around 50% of the complaints, which is grossly disproportionate to their presence on campuses. They're not getting a pass for sexual misconduct because of their race. Jocks get a pass for being jocks (e.g. Brock Turner) but that's not a racial issue.
    , @WHAT
    You know full well that blacks have no superiority in fighting or its proxy sports. How media pushes the dindu wherever possible - or not - is the real problem.
    Everything else is superficial.


    But then again, you`re Chechenova copypasting as usual, so why am I even writing all that.

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  26. Sara E says:

    It seems like everyone nowadays wants to claim they are victim unless they actually have been a victim of rape, assault, or abuse then they strive to be a survivor. For instance I have a friend who was held hostage for 12 hours, repeatedly gang raped, and brutally assaulted who does her best to cope everyday without complaining or looking for attention and sympathy. Personally I find these phony rape claims repulsive… Actual victims go through hell and for the most part they want to move on with thier life so instead of hearing thier stories we get attention seeking narcissist’s whining about decades old consensual acts. Fuck all these privileged, whiny, jerks pretending to be victims because they have no fucking right to claim rape and they are cheapening the actual horror that survivors go through!

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    "It seems like everyone nowadays wants to claim they are victim unless they actually have been a victim of rape, assault, or abuse then they strive to be a survivor. "

    Indeed, I briefly had a girlfriend who suffered rotherham style rape when she was 14 for about 3 years. Left her with memory issues, depression, etc etc. Took her ages to get back to normal, finish school, finish a university degree and the like. The trauma was severe.

    Having seen that sort of damage, I can only react with fury to these faux feminists who ignore the rapes of girls in places like Rotherham, while they obsess about manspreading.

    , @Whoever
    I also know a person who was raped, in her case so viciously that she had to be hospitalized in the ICU. She is well aware that she is lucky to be a survivor, unlike, as just one example of so many, Hannah Graham, who was kidnapped, raped and murdered by Jesse Leroy Matthew Jr. Hannah was 18 years old and weighed 130 lbs. Matthew was 32 years old, 6'2" tall and weighed 270 lbs.
    Somebody patting your behind, saying his car could use a set of headlamps like you're sporting, telling a bawdy joke, messaging you a ribald limerick, or even walking around naked holding his boner is not sexual assault. It's either a lame compliment or a guy being a total jerk. BFD.
    Sexual assault is also not some guy putting the moves on you when you went to his apartment voluntarily for whatever reason -- if it's work-related, you should have told him you'd meet him in the lobby or at a nearby coffee shop; if he's a straight arrow, he would have understood, if he's not, you dodged a bullet.
    Sexual assault is when a fist slams into the side of your head, stunning you, and you feel your windpipe being crushed as you are grabbed by the throat, and you try to scream as your shoulder is ripped out of its socket as your arm is wrenched behind your back, but you can't because you can't breath. You are lucky if you pass out from the pain.

    Raped and murdered:
    https://i.imgur.com/hira0b9.jpg
    Enjoying life in prison:
    https://i.imgur.com/31R2caw.jpg
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  27. @Anon
    Choosing Tribe or Sex.

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/lena-dunham-apologizes-defending-girls-writer-murray-miller-accusations-sexual-assault-1059803
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    Love those catfights!
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  28. @Brabantian
    Even arch-feminist Gloria Steinem, commenting in the 1990s during the accusations involving US President Bill Clinton, Steinem said that, in general, men had a privilege of 'one free grope' of a woman, so long as the man afterwards respected a 'No, no more' clear statement.

    The background idea of Steinem's 'One Free Grope' rule, is that men need a little slack because they are generally stupid regarding women's signals, plus the fact that women often are thrilled by bold action from a man in whom they are interested, to the point of preferring the 'take me & grab me' approach (of course by the *right* guy only!), versus the cuck-asking-for-permission route - which is in reality often a turn-off for many women, despite feminist claims.
    --
    Given Israel Shamir's obvious wit and scepticism about other matters, it's odd that Shamir still promotes above, the bloke who all major nations know is a known faker & CIA & Israeli Mossad agent, the 'not really living in the Ecuador Embassy' Rothschild-lawyered Julian Assange - admitted to be fake by both Bibi Netanyahu himself, & Zbigniew Brzezinski, his leaks all 'selected' by the CIA & Mossad, as Netanyahu & Brzezinski informed us.

    Note that Assange & Snowden have left a trail of real dissidents jailed or dead after trusting these fake 'leakers' & their media pumpers such as Glenn Greenwald (jailed: Reality Leigh Winner, Lauri Love; dead: Seth Rich, Peter W Smith). We may never know how many other real dissidents were identified / silenced / killed after being duped into contacting Assange / Snowden / Greenwald.

    The Swedish fake 'rape charges' against Assange, were apparently dropped after Trump's White House team learned that Assange and also 'Edward Snowden', were both CIA frauds developed during the Obama era.

    Proofs that Snowden & Assange are fake, are manifold & incontrovertible. E.g., per the 'official story' sold to us, Snowden first 'leaked' his nothing-new 'revelations', to Dick Cheney's friend & biographer at the Washington Post, ha! Both Snowden & Assange fully prove themselves to be CIA agents, by the way they ignore the dossier on the bribe-taking USA federal judges in Virginia, who are the very judges who would be putting these fakers 'on trial' if they were genuine. But Snowden & Assange work to suppress the files that would easily and totally block their own extradition to the USA, if they really feared such a thing.

    We just learned recently, Assange had set up the US President's son, Donald Trump Jr, to be criminally prosecuted .. Assange & Wikileaks recommended that young Trump violate the US federal CFAA law, the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which makes it a crime to attempt to log-in to a website using a stolen or guessed password. Assange 'set up' young Trump for a fall.

    It is clearly a laughable fairy tale that Assange has been 'living in a closet at the Ecuador Embassy in London' for most of the last decade, as noted in a recent article. It is an open joke amongst European diplomats that the public believes Assange is living there ... the UK police 'watch' the embassy so they can move him in & out for meetings with Israel Shamir & other 'admirers', the Ecuadorians apparently getting some dosh to play along. Assange aided by his Rothschild lawyers, apparently actually lives at a UK country home of a Rothschild friend. And with the Swedish charges 'dropped', why is he still allegedly 'living at the embassy' (ha-ha)? Does Shamir actually believe these absurd stories about his lying 'friend' Assange, having gone ga-ga over this faker 'celebrity', or is Shamir doing Mossad a favour here?

    Assange, Snowden, Glenn Greenwald etc…

    Hey, Brabantian. Unfortunately, there is no private messaging component to this site. I’m very interested in any information about these characters and what the strongest proof available is that (as I suspect also) they and others are fake opposition controlled by the Intel agencies.

    I would greatly appreciate if you sent me an email at revusky (at) gmail.

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  29. Truth says:

    So you guys would be fine with one of your bowling buddies that you went to high school with, if you found out that 20 years earlier he had porked your daughter when she was in the 10th grade?

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    So you guys would be fine with one of your bowling buddies that you went to high school with, if you found out that 20 years earlier he had porked your daughter when she was in the 10th grade?

    You’d have drinks and laugh over it?


    No. What's your point?
    , @Realist
    But where's the proof??? Her word?
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  30. Thirdeye says:
    @Anon
    Bigger problem is sexual conquest.

    After all, blacks are the biggest harassers, rapists, and etc... but where are the allegations against them?
    Blacks are protected by their iconic status.

    Because blacks are good in sports, dance music, and pleasure women with big dongs, they have ICONIC and IDOL power. Idols are pagan objects of worship and override any moral consideration. So, blacks can rob, rape, and murder all year around. Moral disapproval of black behavior is overridden by white worship of black idols in sports, sex, and music. Come superbowl time, and even 'racist' whites are cheering for black athletes who hump 1000s of white female fans.

    It's like the story of pagan gods. The gods are vain, fickle, egotistical, and destructive. But they are still worshiped and honored for their idolic and iconic power. Their idol power means they are beyond good and evil. They are just awesome.
    And women are honored to have sex with gods and have half-god babies even if they will be single mothers. Achilles is the son of a single mother who did it with a god. Today, we see this with white women who would rather be single mothers with mulatto kids than married mothers with white husbands.
    Even though black men don't stick around, the white single mother feels blessed to have a child with a REAL man. Jungle fever idolizes black men as the gods of manhood.

    Female psychology works that way.

    The fatal formula for any race is (1) female freedom + (2) presence of men tougher than the men of your own race.

    Female freedom is not a problem IF white men are the toughest in society. Then, white women will use their freedom to stick with white men who are deemed best. But female freedom is a problem in a society where black guys routinely demonstrate their superiority over white guys in sports, fighting, sex, and dance music.

    This is why white manhood needs safe space from black threat.

    After all, blacks are the biggest harassers, rapists, and etc… but where are the allegations against them?

    Statistics on sexual misconduct complaints against students, where available, indicate blacks are the subject of around 50% of the complaints, which is grossly disproportionate to their presence on campuses. They’re not getting a pass for sexual misconduct because of their race. Jocks get a pass for being jocks (e.g. Brock Turner) but that’s not a racial issue.

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  31. Thirdeye says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    Oh, to be a fly on the wall....

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5098879/Lena-Dunham-accused-hipster-racism-writer.html

    Love those catfights!

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    I'm going to guess most guys would rather see more attractive participants in a catfight than that moo Dunham, but I'll allow you to have more authority on the subject.
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  32. DH13 says:

    “Only the inquisition…”
    Did you mean the NKVD?
    Come on Mr Shamir you know better than that.

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  33. Ironically this recent wave of sexual harassment cases wasn’t driven by the liberal left, but by the liberal right. The right-liberal Daily Mail considers itself to be the public watch dog on Hollywood hypocrisy, so once it had enough evidence it decided to go after Weinstein and Spacey. However, the liberal left has rolled with the punches and used this evidence of casting couch culture to boost its wider war on the patriarchy.

    My view on this is only take complaints seriously if a woman has previously made a complaint to the police. Modern police forces have made great strides to make it easy for women to report serious sexual harassment charges.

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  34. @Brabantian
    Even arch-feminist Gloria Steinem, commenting in the 1990s during the accusations involving US President Bill Clinton, Steinem said that, in general, men had a privilege of 'one free grope' of a woman, so long as the man afterwards respected a 'No, no more' clear statement.

    The background idea of Steinem's 'One Free Grope' rule, is that men need a little slack because they are generally stupid regarding women's signals, plus the fact that women often are thrilled by bold action from a man in whom they are interested, to the point of preferring the 'take me & grab me' approach (of course by the *right* guy only!), versus the cuck-asking-for-permission route - which is in reality often a turn-off for many women, despite feminist claims.
    --
    Given Israel Shamir's obvious wit and scepticism about other matters, it's odd that Shamir still promotes above, the bloke who all major nations know is a known faker & CIA & Israeli Mossad agent, the 'not really living in the Ecuador Embassy' Rothschild-lawyered Julian Assange - admitted to be fake by both Bibi Netanyahu himself, & Zbigniew Brzezinski, his leaks all 'selected' by the CIA & Mossad, as Netanyahu & Brzezinski informed us.

    Note that Assange & Snowden have left a trail of real dissidents jailed or dead after trusting these fake 'leakers' & their media pumpers such as Glenn Greenwald (jailed: Reality Leigh Winner, Lauri Love; dead: Seth Rich, Peter W Smith). We may never know how many other real dissidents were identified / silenced / killed after being duped into contacting Assange / Snowden / Greenwald.

    The Swedish fake 'rape charges' against Assange, were apparently dropped after Trump's White House team learned that Assange and also 'Edward Snowden', were both CIA frauds developed during the Obama era.

    Proofs that Snowden & Assange are fake, are manifold & incontrovertible. E.g., per the 'official story' sold to us, Snowden first 'leaked' his nothing-new 'revelations', to Dick Cheney's friend & biographer at the Washington Post, ha! Both Snowden & Assange fully prove themselves to be CIA agents, by the way they ignore the dossier on the bribe-taking USA federal judges in Virginia, who are the very judges who would be putting these fakers 'on trial' if they were genuine. But Snowden & Assange work to suppress the files that would easily and totally block their own extradition to the USA, if they really feared such a thing.

    We just learned recently, Assange had set up the US President's son, Donald Trump Jr, to be criminally prosecuted .. Assange & Wikileaks recommended that young Trump violate the US federal CFAA law, the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which makes it a crime to attempt to log-in to a website using a stolen or guessed password. Assange 'set up' young Trump for a fall.

    It is clearly a laughable fairy tale that Assange has been 'living in a closet at the Ecuador Embassy in London' for most of the last decade, as noted in a recent article. It is an open joke amongst European diplomats that the public believes Assange is living there ... the UK police 'watch' the embassy so they can move him in & out for meetings with Israel Shamir & other 'admirers', the Ecuadorians apparently getting some dosh to play along. Assange aided by his Rothschild lawyers, apparently actually lives at a UK country home of a Rothschild friend. And with the Swedish charges 'dropped', why is he still allegedly 'living at the embassy' (ha-ha)? Does Shamir actually believe these absurd stories about his lying 'friend' Assange, having gone ga-ga over this faker 'celebrity', or is Shamir doing Mossad a favour here?

    Any evidence for your last paragraph story about Assange? If there is I would like to put it to a well known broadcaster/journalist oldfashioned lefty friend who has visited Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy.

    Why doesn’t Assange now leave the Embassy?

    1. He would be arrested for his previous contempt of court or whatever it might be as a crime to fail to front up to court when on bail before he sought adylum; More dangerous for him….
    2. He could face an extradition request by the US (remember that “sealed indictment?) now that the Swedes no longer have priority.

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  35. Meimou says: • Website
    @Truth
    So you guys would be fine with one of your bowling buddies that you went to high school with, if you found out that 20 years earlier he had porked your daughter when she was in the 10th grade?

    You'd have drinks and laugh over it?

    So you guys would be fine with one of your bowling buddies that you went to high school with, if you found out that 20 years earlier he had porked your daughter when she was in the 10th grade?

    You’d have drinks and laugh over it?

    No. What’s your point?

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    Well then I guess it's not just; "Ohhh jeez, it was thrirdee yeeerz ago..."

    Now if you said, "Oh yeah, my buddy porked my daughter when she was in the 10th grade, she's married now it's all good, bygones be bygones" that would be different.

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  36. Eagle Eye says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    If I was a young white male in the university or workplace today, I would avoid them like the plague. Make a casual complement such as, “That is a pretty dress you’re wearing today …,” and you can find yourself hauled before a university or corporate tribunal (a sexquisition as Sharim calls them) staffed by feminists bent on destroying the White Male Patriarchy and the men that comprise it.
     
    So true. This reminds me of Mattress Girl: Emma Sulkowicz.

    Emma Sulkowicz will almost certainly end up like Monica Lewinsky, forever defined by THAT episode, whatever the rights and wrongs.

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    Her subsequent self-promoting sex tape didn't help her cause: http://www.cecinestpasunviol.com/
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  37. “Sweden has had a lot of rape complaints recently. Some readers connected it with mass immigration from the Middle East. And indeed a normal man from the Middle East may misinterpret girl’s words and actions. No means no, say the feminists, but it wasn’t so understood by European men even in the 1950s.”

    You’ve got to be #$#ing kidding. Equating the behaviour of Swedish men back in the 50s with that of low IQ, uneducated, inbred Arabs, Afghans, Pakis, etc???

    A Swedish policewoman admitted a few years back that she had never heard of a single case of gang rape involving ethnic swedes. “It may happen”, she said, but it is nothing that has been reported.

    Good lord, what a fool.

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    she had never heard of a single case of gang rape involving ethnic swedes.
     
    Assuming that is even true, why would there be a need?

    Where sexual and moral promiscuity is a paramount way of life, wouldn't the potential gang rape members simply walk up to a Swedish whore, er common woman, and ask, "hey babe, how about a ten-some orgy, yeah"? It is not like the whore, er woman, would say no, right?

    If the potential gang rape members were to wish for it, the whore, er woman, would be quite happy to provide the required noise effects. No?
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  38. @Sara E
    It seems like everyone nowadays wants to claim they are victim unless they actually have been a victim of rape, assault, or abuse then they strive to be a survivor. For instance I have a friend who was held hostage for 12 hours, repeatedly gang raped, and brutally assaulted who does her best to cope everyday without complaining or looking for attention and sympathy. Personally I find these phony rape claims repulsive... Actual victims go through hell and for the most part they want to move on with thier life so instead of hearing thier stories we get attention seeking narcissist's whining about decades old consensual acts. Fuck all these privileged, whiny, jerks pretending to be victims because they have no fucking right to claim rape and they are cheapening the actual horror that survivors go through!

    “It seems like everyone nowadays wants to claim they are victim unless they actually have been a victim of rape, assault, or abuse then they strive to be a survivor. ”

    Indeed, I briefly had a girlfriend who suffered rotherham style rape when she was 14 for about 3 years. Left her with memory issues, depression, etc etc. Took her ages to get back to normal, finish school, finish a university degree and the like. The trauma was severe.

    Having seen that sort of damage, I can only react with fury to these faux feminists who ignore the rapes of girls in places like Rotherham, while they obsess about manspreading.

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  39. Realist says:
    @Truth
    So you guys would be fine with one of your bowling buddies that you went to high school with, if you found out that 20 years earlier he had porked your daughter when she was in the 10th grade?

    You'd have drinks and laugh over it?

    But where’s the proof??? Her word?

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    These things are not simple.
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  40. Realist says:

    It is too easy to character assassinate men using a woman’s word only….especially many years later. There should be a time constraint on sexual harassment chargers. One year sounds good.

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    There is. It's called Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress. It has been on the books for a century. It has a time limitation, if memory serves, of 2 years. Proof of actual emotional distress is required, like missing a substantial amount of work n consulting psychiatrists. I think that's the law in most states.
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  41. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    With many of these rapists and alleged perverts in Hollywood–and the media–predominantly Jewish, why don’t we hear the familiar battle cry of anti-Semites or the really nasty one, Jew haters directed against the women, since it works very well to shut up people wanting to have a dialogue about Apartheid Israel?

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  42. WHAT says:
    @Anon
    Bigger problem is sexual conquest.

    After all, blacks are the biggest harassers, rapists, and etc... but where are the allegations against them?
    Blacks are protected by their iconic status.

    Because blacks are good in sports, dance music, and pleasure women with big dongs, they have ICONIC and IDOL power. Idols are pagan objects of worship and override any moral consideration. So, blacks can rob, rape, and murder all year around. Moral disapproval of black behavior is overridden by white worship of black idols in sports, sex, and music. Come superbowl time, and even 'racist' whites are cheering for black athletes who hump 1000s of white female fans.

    It's like the story of pagan gods. The gods are vain, fickle, egotistical, and destructive. But they are still worshiped and honored for their idolic and iconic power. Their idol power means they are beyond good and evil. They are just awesome.
    And women are honored to have sex with gods and have half-god babies even if they will be single mothers. Achilles is the son of a single mother who did it with a god. Today, we see this with white women who would rather be single mothers with mulatto kids than married mothers with white husbands.
    Even though black men don't stick around, the white single mother feels blessed to have a child with a REAL man. Jungle fever idolizes black men as the gods of manhood.

    Female psychology works that way.

    The fatal formula for any race is (1) female freedom + (2) presence of men tougher than the men of your own race.

    Female freedom is not a problem IF white men are the toughest in society. Then, white women will use their freedom to stick with white men who are deemed best. But female freedom is a problem in a society where black guys routinely demonstrate their superiority over white guys in sports, fighting, sex, and dance music.

    This is why white manhood needs safe space from black threat.

    You know full well that blacks have no superiority in fighting or its proxy sports. How media pushes the dindu wherever possible – or not – is the real problem.
    Everything else is superficial.

    But then again, you`re Chechenova copypasting as usual, so why am I even writing all that.

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    Globalism pushes Jungle Fever as what Christmas is all about.

    Jungle Balls Jungle Balls, Jungle All the Way
    Oh what fun it is to ride a Negro all day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilG7KFKQo-g
    , @The Alarmist
    They have superiority in sports where they are big enough to stand there and take punishment from guys in pads and gloves, or in others where an advantage in speed and height coupled with practise, no doubt experienced due to a lack of other opportunities or an interest in other things, but ask yourself how many you've ever seen in SOF ... I'm not talking the groups like Green Berets or Rangers, but Operators. There are minorities in these groups, but they are disproportionately minority considering the makeup of the military as a whole.
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  43. The Harvey Weinstein “exposure” has an up-side and a down-side.

    The down-side well stated here by Mr. Shamir, the unfolding of a massive Inquisition run by the Queens of Resentment — feminists, lesbians and legions of man-haters.

    The upside is the take-down of worst left-wing, male-feminist politicos, like Al Franken, and now, it looks like, the loathsome John Conyers. Best of all, the Slickster, Bill Clinton, will fall and his hag wife will have to go and hide somewhere.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/11/harvey-weinstein-and-fall-of-house-of.html

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  44. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    “A burly unattractive woman in her late fifties or sixties, dyed hair, pearl laces around wrinkled neck, tearfully relating a story of unwanted sexual attention that maybe occurred many years ago, presents a most embarrassing sight. Perhaps once Beverly Young Nelson was young and pretty, and could awake passion in a man’s loins, but that was long time ago. And still this awkward creature effectively had stopped the suspect, Roy Moore from Alabama, from winning an election.

    If this old crow were to claim she loaned Moore a hundred dollars thirty years ago and demanded it back with accrued interest, she would be laughed out of court. Where was she until now, where is the proof, people would say. Why nobody asks this question now, when the political career of the man is at stake? How could it be that a few unsubstantiated claims can ruin a man?”

    I see the misogynists are out in full force today.

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  45. Men, too, are receptive to mass hysteria, but women much more so.

    Bullshit.

    Men can be paranoid drama queens as much as any woman. It takes next to nothing to get them stirred up enough to march off to war, for instance.

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    Actually, women cannot govern themselves as well as men can govern them and everybody else too. The science is settled.

    "Behavioral research has demonstrated that males have a higher capability of regulating their own and others' emotions than females."

    journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0097071
     
    James Bond had regulation of female behavior down pat.

    "An open-handed slap is justified – if all other alternatives fail and there has been plenty of warning. If a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or bloody-minded continually, then I'd do it."

    Sean Connery, Playboy magazine, 1965
     
    White Sharia now!
    , @Eustace Tilley (not)
    Au contraire, monsieur; it is your reply which is "boule sheete".

    There was a famous case of "mass psychogenic illness" in the Le Roy, NY Junior-Senior High School in Le Roy, New York which spread like wildfire in 2011, baffling the community. The New York State Department of Public Health could find no physical basis for the strange behavioral "tics" the students were having. Neurologist Dr. Laszlo Mechtler made the diagnosis of "mass psychogenic illness", or hysteria.

    The "victims" were 19 girls and one boy. See:

    www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/magazine/teenage-girls-twitching-le-roy.html

    Oh, by the way, "hysteria" comes from the Greek "husterikos", meaning "of the womb". But what did the ancient Greeks know?

    , @Jasper Been
    Just the neocon men, mi amigo!
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  46. @TheJester
    Many dating websites publish statistics on "who's hot" and "who's not" based on the racial preferences listed by subscribers. Measured over time, the racial preference trends have proved consistent. Below is an analysis of one such dating site's data.

    As anyone can clearly see, there are favorites. When it comes to the highest positive response rate, most women, regardless of their race, appear to favor white men, whereas most men, again, regardless of their race, tend to favor Asian women. In terms of the lowest response rate, women appeared to shun black men, whereas men tended to shun black women.
     
    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/pop-psych/201401/what-does-online-dating-tell-us-about-racial-views

    Another dating website, OkCupid, is a cornucopia of data on racial preferences. In an analysis of preferences from 2009 through 2014, that data clearly shows that, as above, white men are "hot" for all racial groups. However, white men are showing an increasing preference for Asian women over white women. The crossover point was 2010.

    http://longislandreport.org/news/racial-preferences-emerge-in-online-dating/22327

    Does the white "feminazi" movement have anything to do with this? I believe it does, as the feminist movement becomes progressively more radicalized in the name of ideological purity and group solidarity.

    And the message is clear. White women are increasing proving too hostile and dangerous for white men to be around. If I was a young white male in the university or workplace today, I would avoid them like the plague. Make a casual complement such as, "That is a pretty dress you're wearing today ...," and you can find yourself hauled before a university or corporate tribunal (a sexquisition as Sharim calls them) staffed by feminists bent on destroying the White Male Patriarchy and the men that comprise it.

    The white female's increasing misandry (the hatred or dislike of men) is having consequences.

    A Brookings Institute Internet shorts suggest that white women are finding it increasingly hard to find husbands.

    Back in the 1970s, it might have been raining men, but today there's a veritable drought -- at least for two groups of single ladies.

    The question of whether America's women have enough marriageable men was taken on by Brookings Institution senior fellow Isabel Sawhill and former senior research assistant Joanna Venator. Their answer isn't all that reassuring for two distinct groups of women: college-educated women and black women.

    The study, which used data from the Current Population Survey and the General Social Survey, found that recent trends in men's earnings and college graduation rates, as well as the high incarceration rate for black men, are to blame for an uneven balance between the genders in those two groups.

    Overall, men are not only earning less than they used to, but they're failing to enroll in colleges at the same rate as their female counterparts. The result is that there are only 85 men for every 100 women who are 25 to 35 years old and who are college educated.

    That's the prime marrying age for Americans, given that men and women tend to be in their late 20s when they marry for the first time, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

    The report may back up what single women with college degrees have been sensing for years: The pickings are slim.
     
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/these-women-cant-find-enough-marriageable-men/

    As the saying goes, if white women continue their hostility toward white men, "They ain't seen nothing yet!"

    If I was a young white male in the university or workplace today, I would avoid them like the plague.

    It’s good to see my own bias confirmed. I often recommend that to young as well as old males, and the ones who ignore my “Go Asian” advice soon learn to regret it.

    They must be Asian born and raised however. The ones raised in ‘Merka are as nasty as the ‘Merkin white ones, and that goes double for the ones from rich families.

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  47. Rape? Very few of the witchhunt allegations have been about actual rape. It’s about “sexual misconduct.” Any white male conduct is now “misconduct” if it hurtz femfeelz, and such “misconduct,” no matter how trivial, is treated as an equivalent of “rape.” Well, if every little thing can be construed as rape, one may as well rape; they’ve made where there’s nothing to lose. And I mean rape, L. raptio, it its original meaning: the large scale abduction of women, i.e. kidnapping either for marriage or sexual slavery, Sabine women style.

    White Sharia Space Marine Rape Gangs

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    "The word 'rape' has little of its original meaning remaining." The ultimate absurdity is defining women as "rapists" and "pedophiles" for allowing biological men under age 18 to penetrate them in factually consensual relationships, the only "crime" in which the "victim" enjoys the actus reus (i.e. the sex) far more than the woman who "rapes" him and is often if not usually the aggressor and initiator of his phantasmal and theoretical "victimization." So "rape" is now defined as "non-consensual" sex, legally as opposed to factually.
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  48. @üeljang
    East Asian women (generally) do not have "feminine looks." They are closer to African women than to White women in regards to the spectrum of physiological masculinity-femininity.

    What East Asian women (generally) do exhibit is a cooperative attitude, willingness to defer to a social superior when the superior's opinion conflicts with hers, and energy (they tend to be much less whiny and lazy than White women). However, they also tend to be very intelligent, which I normally would consider to be a masculine psychological characteristic, and also very good at dissembling, so it is possible that their apparently demure attitude may be a deceptive pretense. (Personally, I would say it is most likely a deceptive pretense in most cases judging from my observation of the behavior of East Asian females in contexts where they are not trying to attract, please, or appease a male.)

    East Asian women (generally) do not have “feminine looks.”

    ?????

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  49. @jacques sheete

    Men, too, are receptive to mass hysteria, but women much more so.
     
    Bullshit.

    Men can be paranoid drama queens as much as any woman. It takes next to nothing to get them stirred up enough to march off to war, for instance.

    Actually, women cannot govern themselves as well as men can govern them and everybody else too. The science is settled.

    “Behavioral research has demonstrated that males have a higher capability of regulating their own and others’ emotions than females.”

    journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0097071

    James Bond had regulation of female behavior down pat.

    “An open-handed slap is justified – if all other alternatives fail and there has been plenty of warning. If a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or bloody-minded continually, then I’d do it.”

    Sean Connery, Playboy magazine, 1965

    White Sharia now!

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    "Behavioral research has demonstrated that males have a higher capability of regulating their own and other's emotions than females." Generally, this is true in some ways and false in others, depending on the kind and nature of the emotions, most dramatically in respect to controlling the emotions and impulses that engender violence and criminality and, most horrifically, war and terrorism. Would there be wars in an all-female world?

    "white Sharia now"! I suggest you move to Saudi Arabia.
    , @TheJester
    We now know from the ongoing sexquisition and the exemplary performance of the feminists running Germany, Sweden, the United States, and a handful of other Nothern European countries that, once feminist declare victim (I mean "victory") over the White Male Patriarchy, the rule of law so arduously fought for over 2,000 years will be replaced by an on-line feminist-controlled gossip network. It is being put in place as I write.

    As iSteve once commented, male culture tends to be inclusive; men want allies in the death duals of life. Female culture, on the other hand, tends to be exclusive. It's a fight over who gets to be Queen Bee ... life as a Cinderella story. The Queen wants to remove or otherwise manage female competition for the limited number of Alpha Males. This ensures that the Queen has first choice ... kind of like confusing and elevating the typical plots in Harlequin romances (which include rape fantasies, by the way) with official state policies.

    We even have a test case. Sweden has effectively emasculated its White Male Patriarchy. The results ...? They are learning first hand what a Muslim Male Patriarchy looks like.

    The generally accepted serial emotions experienced by traumatized women are,

    1. Denial
    2. Anger
    3. Bargaining
    4. Depression
    5. Acceptance

    Western feminists are in denial. We await their anger, bargaining, and depression. But, by then, of course, it will be too late. "We thought we could replace the White Male Patriarchy with the White Female Matriarchy", albeit, as we know, matriarchy and feminism are anti-natalist dead ends. There is no evidence of mother or child-friendly values in feminism. There are no families. Just angry women, cats, and well-stocked wine coolers full of chardonnay.

    Hajibs, burkas, and Sharia Law anyone?

    Given the evolving racial preferences, at least there is a possibility that a new White Male Patriarchy populated by white men and Asian and Hispanic women has a future. Let's hope!

    Illud est quod est.
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  50. Sam Shama says:

    I am sorry, but this is a piece written to stiffen the backbones of men of a certain age and other assorted misogynists.

    The fact is, men have had it rather free and unhindered for most of history. The scales are tipping a bit to achieve a measure of balance and, no doubt, some opportunists amongst #meetoo are seeking the limelight and false vengeance. That is to be rejected, but to sweep the whole thing under the carpet as some appear to suggest, would be to do a terrible injustice.

    Injustice to women; principally those on the lower rungs of the economic ladder; ones who cannot access the law set up for their protection. Instead, the law suffers misuse by women who need those protections least, abused as an instrument of financial gain from corporations which have set aside funds to pay off these “victims”. I give you the Gretchen Carlsons and the Megyn Kellys, gentlemen.

    Just think. Why would a woman in the sixties come forward today with her accusations?

    Simply because she can! She couldn’t possibly have back then.The injustice done to a helpless 14-year old waitress by a district attorney might have remained an abomination unknown to the world, until today, when the political climate [a cynical, opportunistic one] provides the means to undo a grave wickedness of many years past!

    I do not claim to know if Roy Clarke was indeed an abuser – a matter for the courts. Yet let us not dismiss the Beverly Nelsons merely because much time has passed!

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    Considering the timing and circumstances involved, it amounts to nothing more than a suspicious accusation that could have, and should have been made at anytime over the past 30 years or so. Even if true, and for that reason alone, it should be dismissed out-of-hand.
    , @RobinG
    Very well said, Sam. I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I'm delighted to be rid of that smug, self-satisfied purveyor of softball questions or official propaganda, Charlie Rose.

    PS...Being over the hill unattractive doesn't stop old guys like Shamir from pressing themselves on young women, and more likely if they're rich enough to think they'll get away with it.

    , @dcite
    "The Girl with the Pearl Earring," fictional account of the Vermeer's model for that famous portrait, was probably a servant considering her mode of dress and expression. The servant girl is groped by an enthusiastic, important guest, while serving at the family dinner table. Vermeer and family are mildly embarrassed but indifferent. Shocked and worried about the old guy's plans, she quickly consummates her courtship with her boyfriend so that he will have no reason to doubt her virtue. Had she been attacked by the important guest, she would not have said anything to anyone. Everyone would have called her names--like, maybe, crow or buzzard. The misery would have been compounded and the important man's discomfiture, not hers, would have left a worst taste for everyone who mattered. Only murder would have made her a sympathetic character.

    In the Old Testament, there is the story of Susannah, and the story of Joseph. Both involve false accusations by rejected lusters, one of a woman, one of a man. This has always gone on.
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  51. @Thirdeye
    Love those catfights!

    I’m going to guess most guys would rather see more attractive participants in a catfight than that moo Dunham, but I’ll allow you to have more authority on the subject.

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    It's more about seeing that pompous self-righteous twit hoisted on her own petard by someone who doesn't even know her but feels she can trump her in the identity game.
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  52. Mark Presco says: • Website

    Your only claim to immortality is to live on though your children. Your true soul, your true self are your genes. These genes are passed from body to body in a continuous existence that reaches all of the way back to the beginning of life on this planet. We are, all of us – every living thing, over 3.5 billion years old.

    To walk this world as a white man again requires white women. No one has contributed more to improve the quality of life for others than white men. The white male bashing we are being subjected to is simply jealousy and envy.

    The bitchiness of so many white women is due to the fact that white men have spoiled them rotten. How to solve this problem requires more space than this comment allows, but solve it we must.

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    The white male bashing we are being subjected to is simply jealousy and envy.
     
    Partially true, I agree.

    But, given the spiritual losers the whites are, the jealousy and envy is not too high :D

    Believe me, the guys who maintain the following website, are doing humanity a great favour.

    http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/db0_onegod.htm

    http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/m01_religion.htm
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  53. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Americans voted for Donald Trump hoping he would end the emasculating trend in their society.” Whoa, whoa, whoa. That’s not what referendums are for. If the people believe in hope as dictated to them by Government, Industry through a media that is psychologically ramming them in the ass on a daily basis, then the CIA is still winning the battle. Vote for free beer instead and to smote those “sons of bitches”.

    Conservatives are famous for taking loads from Capitalism’s porn via nearby data centers and then prosecuting some patsy for buggery the next day. It’s all about the power. If we’re going to take the prurience psyop to the next level we’re going to need every man, woman, and those of legal age to post furiously on social media. The sanctimonious hypocrisy alone will exceed the market value of Musk’s conceptual and widely lusted after Big Fucking “Penis” Rocket.

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  54. Truth says:
    @Meimou
    So you guys would be fine with one of your bowling buddies that you went to high school with, if you found out that 20 years earlier he had porked your daughter when she was in the 10th grade?

    You’d have drinks and laugh over it?


    No. What's your point?

    Well then I guess it’s not just; “Ohhh jeez, it was thrirdee yeeerz ago…”

    Now if you said, “Oh yeah, my buddy porked my daughter when she was in the 10th grade, she’s married now it’s all good, bygones be bygones” that would be different.

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    Even if true, did the porking do her any harm?
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  55. Truth says:
    @Realist
    But where's the proof??? Her word?

    These things are not simple.

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    Sure they are. There should be a time limit between act and accusation. One years sounds good.
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  56. I was very surprised to see the publication of such drivel on the Unz Review.

    Like Israel Shamir knows and understands the details and circumstances of the women who have come forth to make the claims they have been making. This is not to say that all such claims are genuine; they can’t be since they are being published in the news streams, which are primarily nothing but sensationalism these days. Even the alternative news sites are falling to these levels of “yellow journalism” simply to make a buck.

    However, to denigrate all these women in the style of sweeping generalizations, including the one Shamir has targeted for his own special edification, the one in the photograph that heads this article, is at the very least disingenuous and at worst an indication that Mr. Shamir has obviously never met a woman who has been raped and witnessed the catastrophic damage it does to the female psyche.

    And the reason so many women may report a rape, harassment, abuse, or assault at later dates is due to the shame many feel and the circumstances they may find themselves in. It is not so easy to stand up to your tormentor when your job may depend on keeping your mouth shut until you can get out of the situation one is in.

    It should not be surprising that so many complaints are coming out now considering that most are targeted at men in the glamour fields such as entertainment where male dominance has been an issue for many years. Women in the working classes tend to be tougher and as such may have better ways of dealing with such assaults or are forced to adopt to different cultural norms than supposed “liberated women” that may often relegate their complaints to unimportant nuances or worse, cause to be attacked again. And of course we have the American tendency by the US justice system to increasingly ignore the complaints of assaulted women who are lower on the “food chain”…

    And in case Mr. Shamir does not understand the dynamics of such cultural environments, many powerful men often feel entitled to grope their way through their female subordinates. To give the current classic example is the US president who has claimed to be very proud of the fact that he can do what he likes with women. And some women with low levels of self esteem may tend to see such advances as flattering while most will be disgusted and abhorred.

    The Unz Review appears to be a site that supports traditional Christian values but with this article and a number of the comments being made about it I am having trouble understanding what such values are supposed to mean if it is so easy to denigrate current sorrows simply because they are now being exposed as tabloid news items.

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    {To give the current classic example is the US president who has claimed to be very proud of the fact that he can do what he likes with women}


    Where did he say that?

    In the leaked audio recording he said this: "....they let you grab their......."

    Not very gentlemanly, for sure.
    But groopies do not behave very lady-like either, when they meet their 'idol'.
    If you've been around a while, you know some women in a rock concert, for example, can't wait to get invited by the band members backstage for tea. Yeah, sure.

    As to automatically believing what a woman alleges just because the 'victim' is a woman, look up the Duke Lacrosse Case. Three young (white) men were falsely accused by a (black) student, who also moonlighted as stripper - of raping here.
    If not for the young men having wealthy parents who could afford the best legal help, they'd be rotting in jail now, given that the rogue prosecutor was determined to set them up.
    The 'victim' made the whole thing up, yet it went all the way to a trial, until charges were dropped, when the 'victim' was proven to have lied about everything.

    , @renfro
    '' However, to denigrate all these women in the style of sweeping generalizations, including the one Shamir has targeted for his own special edification, the one in the photograph that heads this article, is at the very least disingenuous .....''>>>>>

    I would add at the very least 'ignorant.'
    It looks like I am in the minority here as I was raised to respect women period. Call it a an old fashioned paternalist attitude of protecting the 'weaker sex' if you like...that is what I was taught.
    My wife dislikes the 'feminists' and equally dislikes the helpless weak whiney women and had she ever been molested in her younger days would probably have beat him to death with her tennis racket or sent some real men to teach him a lesson. She tells me that a lot of women however remain silent because they are afraid of losing something, a job, whatever or because they are embarrassed over what happened to them and were afraid of the ''well she brought it on herself'', etc etc...kind of gossip.
    Granted there are most probably some false accusers in this landslide of sexual assaults coming out---but there is no denying that enough of them against certain men are creditable.

    Bottom line ...If the only way you can get any satisfaction is forcing your self on someone verbally or physically then you gotta a real sexual dysfunction and are probably less than ...er...adequate.
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  57. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @WHAT
    You know full well that blacks have no superiority in fighting or its proxy sports. How media pushes the dindu wherever possible - or not - is the real problem.
    Everything else is superficial.


    But then again, you`re Chechenova copypasting as usual, so why am I even writing all that.

    Globalism pushes Jungle Fever as what Christmas is all about.

    Jungle Balls Jungle Balls, Jungle All the Way
    Oh what fun it is to ride a Negro all day.

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  58. joe webb says:

    “ugly and old crow” hoo boy! take a gander at the face of Shamir. Looks like Home Simpson.

    never mind the women-hating of this jew boy.

    Joe Webb

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  59. @jacques sheete

    Men, too, are receptive to mass hysteria, but women much more so.
     
    Bullshit.

    Men can be paranoid drama queens as much as any woman. It takes next to nothing to get them stirred up enough to march off to war, for instance.

    Au contraire, monsieur; it is your reply which is “boule sheete”.

    There was a famous case of “mass psychogenic illness” in the Le Roy, NY Junior-Senior High School in Le Roy, New York which spread like wildfire in 2011, baffling the community. The New York State Department of Public Health could find no physical basis for the strange behavioral “tics” the students were having. Neurologist Dr. Laszlo Mechtler made the diagnosis of “mass psychogenic illness”, or hysteria.

    The “victims” were 19 girls and one boy. See:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/magazine/teenage-girls-twitching-le-roy.html

    Oh, by the way, “hysteria” comes from the Greek “husterikos”, meaning “of the womb”. But what did the ancient Greeks know?

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  60. escobar says:

    Has the author spent much time in an American workplace, a corporate office tower or the kitchen of a restaurant and seen how female employees get “hit” on and pressured by male “colleagues”?
    I doubt it, based on this article. It’s an ugly scene, as is the current wave of retribution.

    “Those to whom evil is done/Do evil in return.” Auden Yup.[

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    An eye for an eye until it's your eye that gets plucked. The workplace today is one where the employer indemnifies themselves from the threat of a suit by training their own employees to became junior authoritarians who are compelled to suspect sexual
    harassment at all times. Please note, this is not an argument for said behavior, but if we really want to talk about exploitation in the workplace - the focus on sexual harrassment is a misdirection first, but still a problem nevertheless.

    The more "successful" employees will create their own crime scenes to report to management to terminate an employee. This is a time honored technique by both men and women to deal with staffing issues.

    I'm suprised you didn't mention schools. Everybody hates teachers these days. Teachers can get thrown into the clink for decades based on the allegations of a few well trained teenagers. Who really benefits here?

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  61. Avery says:
    @Steve Naidamast
    I was very surprised to see the publication of such drivel on the Unz Review.

    Like Israel Shamir knows and understands the details and circumstances of the women who have come forth to make the claims they have been making. This is not to say that all such claims are genuine; they can't be since they are being published in the news streams, which are primarily nothing but sensationalism these days. Even the alternative news sites are falling to these levels of "yellow journalism" simply to make a buck.

    However, to denigrate all these women in the style of sweeping generalizations, including the one Shamir has targeted for his own special edification, the one in the photograph that heads this article, is at the very least disingenuous and at worst an indication that Mr. Shamir has obviously never met a woman who has been raped and witnessed the catastrophic damage it does to the female psyche.

    And the reason so many women may report a rape, harassment, abuse, or assault at later dates is due to the shame many feel and the circumstances they may find themselves in. It is not so easy to stand up to your tormentor when your job may depend on keeping your mouth shut until you can get out of the situation one is in.

    It should not be surprising that so many complaints are coming out now considering that most are targeted at men in the glamour fields such as entertainment where male dominance has been an issue for many years. Women in the working classes tend to be tougher and as such may have better ways of dealing with such assaults or are forced to adopt to different cultural norms than supposed "liberated women" that may often relegate their complaints to unimportant nuances or worse, cause to be attacked again. And of course we have the American tendency by the US justice system to increasingly ignore the complaints of assaulted women who are lower on the "food chain"...

    And in case Mr. Shamir does not understand the dynamics of such cultural environments, many powerful men often feel entitled to grope their way through their female subordinates. To give the current classic example is the US president who has claimed to be very proud of the fact that he can do what he likes with women. And some women with low levels of self esteem may tend to see such advances as flattering while most will be disgusted and abhorred.

    The Unz Review appears to be a site that supports traditional Christian values but with this article and a number of the comments being made about it I am having trouble understanding what such values are supposed to mean if it is so easy to denigrate current sorrows simply because they are now being exposed as tabloid news items.

    {To give the current classic example is the US president who has claimed to be very proud of the fact that he can do what he likes with women}

    Where did he say that?

    In the leaked audio recording he said this: “….they let you grab their…….”

    Not very gentlemanly, for sure.
    But groopies do not behave very lady-like either, when they meet their ‘idol’.
    If you’ve been around a while, you know some women in a rock concert, for example, can’t wait to get invited by the band members backstage for tea. Yeah, sure.

    As to automatically believing what a woman alleges just because the ‘victim’ is a woman, look up the Duke Lacrosse Case. Three young (white) men were falsely accused by a (black) student, who also moonlighted as stripper – of raping here.
    If not for the young men having wealthy parents who could afford the best legal help, they’d be rotting in jail now, given that the rogue prosecutor was determined to set them up.
    The ‘victim’ made the whole thing up, yet it went all the way to a trial, until charges were dropped, when the ‘victim’ was proven to have lied about everything.

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  62. SMK says: • Website
    @Hank Rearden
    Rape? Very few of the witchhunt allegations have been about actual rape. It's about "sexual misconduct." Any white male conduct is now "misconduct" if it hurtz femfeelz, and such "misconduct," no matter how trivial, is treated as an equivalent of "rape." Well, if every little thing can be construed as rape, one may as well rape; they've made where there's nothing to lose. And I mean rape, L. raptio, it its original meaning: the large scale abduction of women, i.e. kidnapping either for marriage or sexual slavery, Sabine women style.

    White Sharia Space Marine Rape Gangs
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbU5TiX4sjk

    “The word ‘rape’ has little of its original meaning remaining.” The ultimate absurdity is defining women as “rapists” and “pedophiles” for allowing biological men under age 18 to penetrate them in factually consensual relationships, the only “crime” in which the “victim” enjoys the actus reus (i.e. the sex) far more than the woman who “rapes” him and is often if not usually the aggressor and initiator of his phantasmal and theoretical “victimization.” So “rape” is now defined as “non-consensual” sex, legally as opposed to factually.

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    Due to it's wide abuse and misuse, the word rape has become virtually meaningless. I visualize a day in the near future when making eye contact with strident feminist results in accusations of rape.
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  63. Whoever says: • Website
    @Sara E
    It seems like everyone nowadays wants to claim they are victim unless they actually have been a victim of rape, assault, or abuse then they strive to be a survivor. For instance I have a friend who was held hostage for 12 hours, repeatedly gang raped, and brutally assaulted who does her best to cope everyday without complaining or looking for attention and sympathy. Personally I find these phony rape claims repulsive... Actual victims go through hell and for the most part they want to move on with thier life so instead of hearing thier stories we get attention seeking narcissist's whining about decades old consensual acts. Fuck all these privileged, whiny, jerks pretending to be victims because they have no fucking right to claim rape and they are cheapening the actual horror that survivors go through!

    I also know a person who was raped, in her case so viciously that she had to be hospitalized in the ICU. She is well aware that she is lucky to be a survivor, unlike, as just one example of so many, Hannah Graham, who was kidnapped, raped and murdered by Jesse Leroy Matthew Jr. Hannah was 18 years old and weighed 130 lbs. Matthew was 32 years old, 6’2″ tall and weighed 270 lbs.
    Somebody patting your behind, saying his car could use a set of headlamps like you’re sporting, telling a bawdy joke, messaging you a ribald limerick, or even walking around naked holding his boner is not sexual assault. It’s either a lame compliment or a guy being a total jerk. BFD.
    Sexual assault is also not some guy putting the moves on you when you went to his apartment voluntarily for whatever reason — if it’s work-related, you should have told him you’d meet him in the lobby or at a nearby coffee shop; if he’s a straight arrow, he would have understood, if he’s not, you dodged a bullet.
    Sexual assault is when a fist slams into the side of your head, stunning you, and you feel your windpipe being crushed as you are grabbed by the throat, and you try to scream as your shoulder is ripped out of its socket as your arm is wrenched behind your back, but you can’t because you can’t breath. You are lucky if you pass out from the pain.

    Raped and murdered:

    Enjoying life in prison:

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  64. This slop panders to bitter old fools who can’t compete in the sexual market place.

    Clinton should have been put in prison over twenty years ago. He’s a rapist. Harvey Weinstein, a rapist. Roy Moore diddles young girls. If you aren’t a rapist or pervert, what are you worrying about?

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  65. SMK says: • Website
    @Hank Rearden
    Actually, women cannot govern themselves as well as men can govern them and everybody else too. The science is settled.

    "Behavioral research has demonstrated that males have a higher capability of regulating their own and others' emotions than females."

    journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0097071
     
    James Bond had regulation of female behavior down pat.

    "An open-handed slap is justified – if all other alternatives fail and there has been plenty of warning. If a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or bloody-minded continually, then I'd do it."

    Sean Connery, Playboy magazine, 1965
     
    White Sharia now!

    “Behavioral research has demonstrated that males have a higher capability of regulating their own and other’s emotions than females.” Generally, this is true in some ways and false in others, depending on the kind and nature of the emotions, most dramatically in respect to controlling the emotions and impulses that engender violence and criminality and, most horrifically, war and terrorism. Would there be wars in an all-female world?

    “white Sharia now”! I suggest you move to Saudi Arabia.

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    I suggest that Saudi Arabia is moving here, because "Sharia," law that keeps THOTs under control, works sociomilitaritically, i.e., their society can breed enough males to invade. And all White Sharia actually does is goes back to how traditional White society lived 100-150 years ago, which feminists actually want. You can tell, because they're inviting it, from a culture that will impose traditional patriarchy.
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  66. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @escobar
    Has the author spent much time in an American workplace, a corporate office tower or the kitchen of a restaurant and seen how female employees get "hit" on and pressured by male "colleagues"?
    I doubt it, based on this article. It's an ugly scene, as is the current wave of retribution.

    "Those to whom evil is done/Do evil in return." Auden Yup.[

    An eye for an eye until it’s your eye that gets plucked. The workplace today is one where the employer indemnifies themselves from the threat of a suit by training their own employees to became junior authoritarians who are compelled to suspect sexual
    harassment at all times. Please note, this is not an argument for said behavior, but if we really want to talk about exploitation in the workplace – the focus on sexual harrassment is a misdirection first, but still a problem nevertheless.

    The more “successful” employees will create their own crime scenes to report to management to terminate an employee. This is a time honored technique by both men and women to deal with staffing issues.

    I’m suprised you didn’t mention schools. Everybody hates teachers these days. Teachers can get thrown into the clink for decades based on the allegations of a few well trained teenagers. Who really benefits here?

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  67. Avery says:

    {If you aren’t a rapist or pervert, what are you worrying about?}

    How about being falsely accused?
    (see #61)

    How about being falsely accused and being unable to, for whatever reason, prove yourself innocent.
    Yeah, in most sex crime related cases men have to prove themselves innocent against charges of ‘rape’, unlike any other crime where the State has to prove you are ‘guilty’.

    [On Monday, Premjee’s attorney, Harland Braun, said the judge tossed out the case after the defense presented video evidence that showed consent.]*

    [A woman whose false claim of rape sent former prep football star Brian Banks to prison was ordered to pay a $2.6 million judgment in connection with the case.]**

    [Settling a lawsuit filed by the male student she accused of raping her, the university says he was ‘found not responsible.’]***

    _______________
    *
    [Case against USC student accused of campus dorm rape thrown out]

    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-usc-campus-dorm-charges-dropped-20170731-story.html

    **
    [Woman Who Falsely Accused Brian Banks of Rape Ordered to Pay $2.6M]

    https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Woman-Falsely-Accused-Brian-Banks-Rape-Ordered-to-Pay-26M-211689741.html

    ***
    [It’s High Time Columbia’s Mattress Girl Was Discredited]

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/450154/columbia-mattress-girl-discredited

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  68. SMK says: • Website
    @anon
    Yup.

    I thought this was another woman-hating, MRA-like jeremiad until I read the comments about the “severe punishments,” hideously draconian and bizarrely Orwellian, inflicted on women teachers for having sex with males students, now even 18-year-olds in many if not most jurisdictions, and the “bewilderment and disbelief” of Russians (and people in dozens of other nations and cultures) in respect to such cases and the view of the young men as “victims” who are “traumatized,” devastated, and “scarred for life.”

    In most of these intrigues, the woman isn’t even guilty of seduction. Either the “victim” was the aggressor and initiator or their sexual union could be defined as a mutual coming together. In Milwaukee, Cassandra Sorenson-Grohall and Melissa Bittner were sentenced to prison because they were raped and molested by criminals and biological men who are absurdly defined as “children.” Visit my website and read about these and other travesties. And Melissa -whose “victim” was charged with murder shortly thereafter- was innocent, transparently and totally.

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  69. Avery says:
    @Ace of Hearts
    This slop panders to bitter old fools who can't compete in the sexual market place.

    Clinton should have been put in prison over twenty years ago. He's a rapist. Harvey Weinstein, a rapist. Roy Moore diddles young girls. If you aren't a rapist or pervert, what are you worrying about?

    Reply #67.

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  70. renfro says:
    @Steve Naidamast
    I was very surprised to see the publication of such drivel on the Unz Review.

    Like Israel Shamir knows and understands the details and circumstances of the women who have come forth to make the claims they have been making. This is not to say that all such claims are genuine; they can't be since they are being published in the news streams, which are primarily nothing but sensationalism these days. Even the alternative news sites are falling to these levels of "yellow journalism" simply to make a buck.

    However, to denigrate all these women in the style of sweeping generalizations, including the one Shamir has targeted for his own special edification, the one in the photograph that heads this article, is at the very least disingenuous and at worst an indication that Mr. Shamir has obviously never met a woman who has been raped and witnessed the catastrophic damage it does to the female psyche.

    And the reason so many women may report a rape, harassment, abuse, or assault at later dates is due to the shame many feel and the circumstances they may find themselves in. It is not so easy to stand up to your tormentor when your job may depend on keeping your mouth shut until you can get out of the situation one is in.

    It should not be surprising that so many complaints are coming out now considering that most are targeted at men in the glamour fields such as entertainment where male dominance has been an issue for many years. Women in the working classes tend to be tougher and as such may have better ways of dealing with such assaults or are forced to adopt to different cultural norms than supposed "liberated women" that may often relegate their complaints to unimportant nuances or worse, cause to be attacked again. And of course we have the American tendency by the US justice system to increasingly ignore the complaints of assaulted women who are lower on the "food chain"...

    And in case Mr. Shamir does not understand the dynamics of such cultural environments, many powerful men often feel entitled to grope their way through their female subordinates. To give the current classic example is the US president who has claimed to be very proud of the fact that he can do what he likes with women. And some women with low levels of self esteem may tend to see such advances as flattering while most will be disgusted and abhorred.

    The Unz Review appears to be a site that supports traditional Christian values but with this article and a number of the comments being made about it I am having trouble understanding what such values are supposed to mean if it is so easy to denigrate current sorrows simply because they are now being exposed as tabloid news items.

    ” However, to denigrate all these women in the style of sweeping generalizations, including the one Shamir has targeted for his own special edification, the one in the photograph that heads this article, is at the very least disingenuous …..”>>>>>

    I would add at the very least ‘ignorant.’
    It looks like I am in the minority here as I was raised to respect women period. Call it a an old fashioned paternalist attitude of protecting the ‘weaker sex’ if you like…that is what I was taught.
    My wife dislikes the ‘feminists’ and equally dislikes the helpless weak whiney women and had she ever been molested in her younger days would probably have beat him to death with her tennis racket or sent some real men to teach him a lesson. She tells me that a lot of women however remain silent because they are afraid of losing something, a job, whatever or because they are embarrassed over what happened to them and were afraid of the ”well she brought it on herself”, etc etc…kind of gossip.
    Granted there are most probably some false accusers in this landslide of sexual assaults coming out—but there is no denying that enough of them against certain men are creditable.

    Bottom line …If the only way you can get any satisfaction is forcing your self on someone verbally or physically then you gotta a real sexual dysfunction and are probably less than …er…adequate.

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  71. In a recent article concerning Bill Clinton, the word priapism was used. I thought I knew what it meant, but I looked it up anyway just to be sure and so learned the story of Priapus.

    In Greek mythology, Priapus (/praɪˈeɪpəs/;[1] Greek: Πρίαπος, Priapos) was a minor rustic fertility god, protector of livestock, fruit plants, gardens and male genitalia.

    . . .

    In Ovid’s Fasti, the nymph Lotis fell into a drunken slumber at a feast, and Priapus seized this opportunity to advance upon her. With stealth he approached, and just before he could embrace her, Silenus’s donkey alerted the party with “raucous braying”. Lotis awoke and pushed Priapus away, but her only true escape was to be transformed into the lotus tree. To punish the donkey for spoiling his opportunity, Priapus bludgeoned it to death with his gargantuan phallus.


    In ancient Greece, where men were men and asses were nervous.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priapus

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  72. @Eagle Eye
    Emma Sulkowicz will almost certainly end up like Monica Lewinsky, forever defined by THAT episode, whatever the rights and wrongs.

    Her subsequent self-promoting sex tape didn’t help her cause: http://www.cecinestpasunviol.com/

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    She also does S&M as "performance art." She should just accept that she's an exhibitionist, do porn, and be happy.
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  73. SMK says: • Website
    @anon
    Yup.

    In Muslim countries, these women would be beheaded or stoned to death or publicly caned or flogged in “moderate” Islamic cultures and nations -not because they had sex with young men under age 18 -after all, the youngest of the prophets many wives and sex-slaves was 6 when they married and 9 when their sacred union was consummated- but because they had sex outside of marriage.

    So it’s telling and ironic that even Muslims would react with “bewilderment,” indeed “disbelief,” at the post-incarceration punishments inflicted on women teachers who have sex with biological men under statutory age; years of punitive “sex-offender treatment; years of quasi-totalitarian post-incarceration supervision; decades of electronic parole-monitoring with an ankle tether/”bracelet” they can never remove even when bathing or showering; public registration for life or at least 20-30 years as uniquely dangerous and degenerate criminals, their mug-shots, name, and addresses on the internet for all to see. The United States is sui generis in its lunacy and hysteria on this matter.

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    Hey SMK,

    In Muslim countries, these women would be beheaded
     
    No such punishment for adultery or fornication.

    or stoned to death
     
    No, lack of witnesses - unless they were married and did this in front of 4 adult males - in which case - the hell were they thinking?

    publicly caned or flogged
     
    Possibly, or imprisoned.

    but because they had sex outside of marriage
     
    Yeah - big no, no.

    One becomes an adult when they reach puberty - men or women - it's always been like that. Responsibility to pray, property rights, and a bunch of stuff kicks in - there really is no vague concept of "adolescence" and a man-child in Islam. It's a trend I hate seeing in the Muslim community, a bunch of teenagers being babied and told they aren't responsible for their actions.

    I am pretty shocked that the young man gets to go scott free and only the female has to suffer. If they are adults and it was consensual then both parties should be punished/disciplined if it goes to court. But this is all for Muslims - non-Muslims can and should make their own rules on the subject as they see fit.

    Peace.

    , @Truth
    In Kuwait if the woman was not married, the girl's father would have the (quasi*)-legal right to kill the boy involved. So your post is a bit misleading.

    *Nowadays they would give him a year or two in jail, just to placate the west.

    , @Jonathan Mason

    ... women teachers who have sex with biological men under statutory age... public registration for life or at least 20-30 years as uniquely dangerous and degenerate criminals, their mug-shots, name, and addresses on the internet for all to see. The United States is sui generis in its lunacy and hysteria on this matter.
     
    Yes, but no one really believes this. It is just to show that men and women are equal in the eyes of the law and if you are going to throw the book at male teachers who seduce schoolgirls, then you have to do the same thing to their female counterparts, and pretend they raped the willing boys, even though they are not the real target of the draconian laws.
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  74. Thirdeye says:
    @Rosamond Vincy
    I'm going to guess most guys would rather see more attractive participants in a catfight than that moo Dunham, but I'll allow you to have more authority on the subject.

    It’s more about seeing that pompous self-righteous twit hoisted on her own petard by someone who doesn’t even know her but feels she can trump her in the identity game.

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    Is "twit" a misspelling?
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  75. Thirdeye says:
    @Cloak And Dagger
    Her subsequent self-promoting sex tape didn't help her cause: http://www.cecinestpasunviol.com/

    She also does S&M as “performance art.” She should just accept that she’s an exhibitionist, do porn, and be happy.

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  76. Talha says:
    @SMK
    In Muslim countries, these women would be beheaded or stoned to death or publicly caned or flogged in "moderate" Islamic cultures and nations -not because they had sex with young men under age 18 -after all, the youngest of the prophets many wives and sex-slaves was 6 when they married and 9 when their sacred union was consummated- but because they had sex outside of marriage.

    So it's telling and ironic that even Muslims would react with "bewilderment," indeed "disbelief," at the post-incarceration punishments inflicted on women teachers who have sex with biological men under statutory age; years of punitive "sex-offender treatment; years of quasi-totalitarian post-incarceration supervision; decades of electronic parole-monitoring with an ankle tether/"bracelet" they can never remove even when bathing or showering; public registration for life or at least 20-30 years as uniquely dangerous and degenerate criminals, their mug-shots, name, and addresses on the internet for all to see. The United States is sui generis in its lunacy and hysteria on this matter.

    Hey SMK,

    In Muslim countries, these women would be beheaded

    No such punishment for adultery or fornication.

    or stoned to death

    No, lack of witnesses – unless they were married and did this in front of 4 adult males – in which case – the hell were they thinking?

    publicly caned or flogged

    Possibly, or imprisoned.

    but because they had sex outside of marriage

    Yeah – big no, no.

    One becomes an adult when they reach puberty – men or women – it’s always been like that. Responsibility to pray, property rights, and a bunch of stuff kicks in – there really is no vague concept of “adolescence” and a man-child in Islam. It’s a trend I hate seeing in the Muslim community, a bunch of teenagers being babied and told they aren’t responsible for their actions.

    I am pretty shocked that the young man gets to go scott free and only the female has to suffer. If they are adults and it was consensual then both parties should be punished/disciplined if it goes to court. But this is all for Muslims – non-Muslims can and should make their own rules on the subject as they see fit.

    Peace.

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  77. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @renfro
    '' However, to denigrate all these women in the style of sweeping generalizations, including the one Shamir has targeted for his own special edification, the one in the photograph that heads this article, is at the very least disingenuous .....''>>>>>

    I would add at the very least 'ignorant.'
    It looks like I am in the minority here as I was raised to respect women period. Call it a an old fashioned paternalist attitude of protecting the 'weaker sex' if you like...that is what I was taught.
    My wife dislikes the 'feminists' and equally dislikes the helpless weak whiney women and had she ever been molested in her younger days would probably have beat him to death with her tennis racket or sent some real men to teach him a lesson. She tells me that a lot of women however remain silent because they are afraid of losing something, a job, whatever or because they are embarrassed over what happened to them and were afraid of the ''well she brought it on herself'', etc etc...kind of gossip.
    Granted there are most probably some false accusers in this landslide of sexual assaults coming out---but there is no denying that enough of them against certain men are creditable.

    Bottom line ...If the only way you can get any satisfaction is forcing your self on someone verbally or physically then you gotta a real sexual dysfunction and are probably less than ...er...adequate.

    Ah, the boomer cuck speaks as if he knows anything about the world now. Gtfo.

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    This boomer has been around long enough to know a guy seething with rage because he's been accused of something himself when I hear one. What did you do?
    Get some mental health help before you wander into the wrong boomer bar and get a painful attitude adjustment.
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  78. Realist says:
    @Truth
    These things are not simple.

    Sure they are. There should be a time limit between act and accusation. One years sounds good.

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    She's not persuing a legal case, only giving "her" recount of what happened.
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  79. LauraMR says:
    @anon
    Yup.

    Nope.

    The article has a kernel of truth but it is too skewed to matter.

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  80. renfro says:
    @Anonymous
    Ah, the boomer cuck speaks as if he knows anything about the world now. Gtfo.

    This boomer has been around long enough to know a guy seething with rage because he’s been accused of something himself when I hear one. What did you do?
    Get some mental health help before you wander into the wrong boomer bar and get a painful attitude adjustment.

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  81. TheJester says:
    @Hank Rearden
    Actually, women cannot govern themselves as well as men can govern them and everybody else too. The science is settled.

    "Behavioral research has demonstrated that males have a higher capability of regulating their own and others' emotions than females."

    journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0097071
     
    James Bond had regulation of female behavior down pat.

    "An open-handed slap is justified – if all other alternatives fail and there has been plenty of warning. If a woman is a bitch, or hysterical, or bloody-minded continually, then I'd do it."

    Sean Connery, Playboy magazine, 1965
     
    White Sharia now!

    We now know from the ongoing sexquisition and the exemplary performance of the feminists running Germany, Sweden, the United States, and a handful of other Nothern European countries that, once feminist declare victim (I mean “victory”) over the White Male Patriarchy, the rule of law so arduously fought for over 2,000 years will be replaced by an on-line feminist-controlled gossip network. It is being put in place as I write.

    As iSteve once commented, male culture tends to be inclusive; men want allies in the death duals of life. Female culture, on the other hand, tends to be exclusive. It’s a fight over who gets to be Queen Bee … life as a Cinderella story. The Queen wants to remove or otherwise manage female competition for the limited number of Alpha Males. This ensures that the Queen has first choice … kind of like confusing and elevating the typical plots in Harlequin romances (which include rape fantasies, by the way) with official state policies.

    We even have a test case. Sweden has effectively emasculated its White Male Patriarchy. The results …? They are learning first hand what a Muslim Male Patriarchy looks like.

    The generally accepted serial emotions experienced by traumatized women are,

    1. Denial
    2. Anger
    3. Bargaining
    4. Depression
    5. Acceptance

    Western feminists are in denial. We await their anger, bargaining, and depression. But, by then, of course, it will be too late. “We thought we could replace the White Male Patriarchy with the White Female Matriarchy”, albeit, as we know, matriarchy and feminism are anti-natalist dead ends. There is no evidence of mother or child-friendly values in feminism. There are no families. Just angry women, cats, and well-stocked wine coolers full of chardonnay.

    Hajibs, burkas, and Sharia Law anyone?

    Given the evolving racial preferences, at least there is a possibility that a new White Male Patriarchy populated by white men and Asian and Hispanic women has a future. Let’s hope!

    Illud est quod est.

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  82. renfro says:

    Politicians falling like dominos. I am waiting for the indicted Pakistani aide to Debbie Wasserman in the House IT and email communications scandal to bargain for immunity to charges in exchange for saying Debbie forced him into a sexual affair while he worked for her.
    I would like to imagine the current sex scandals are a secret grassroots conspiracy to get rid of our noxious Hollywood, Political and other assorted Elite…but probably not….just a productive accident.
    We should get up a petition to have all the House members chip in to repay the taxpayers the 17 million paid out in settlements to people who have brought various harassment and violation charges against these politicians and we should also be reimbursed for their attorney representation whose bills tax payers also paid.

    ”Last week the Washington Post reported that Congress’s Office of Compliance paid out $17 million for 264 settlements with federal employees over 20 years for various violations, including sexual harassment.

    The Conyers documents, however, give a glimpse into the inner workings of the office, which has for decades concealed episodes of sexual abuse by powerful political figures.

    Conyers’ office has a history of ethical run-ins. In 2016, his former chief of staff Cynthia Martin pleaded guilty to receiving stolen property after she refused to reimburse $16,500 that was mistakenly deposited in her account. A preliminary investigation by the Office of Congressional Ethics found that Conyers continued to pay Martin more than $13,000 per month when she was supposedly on unpaid leave

    Conyers’ wife, former Detroit city councilor Monica Conyers, was sentenced to three years in prison over bribery charges in 2010. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/10/monica-conyers-wife-to-jo_n_494305.html

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/paulmcleod/she-complained-that-a-powerful-congressman-harassed-her?utm_term=.pswvLqorA#.kcpbmEprM

    Earlier this month, Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) said she knew of two current members of Congress ― one Democrat and one Republican ― who had sexually harassed staffers. Rep. Barbara Comstock (R-Va.) also said she’d heard rumors of a current congressman who had exposed himself to a young female staffer. Former Rep. Mary Bono (R-Calif.) told The Associated Press that a congressman who is still serving once approached her on the House floor and said he thought about what it would be like to see her shower.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/diana-degette-bob-filner_us_5a142676e4b0bfa88c1cef15?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

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    I would like to imagine the current sex scandals are a secret grassroots conspiracy to get rid of our noxious Hollywood, Political and other assorted Elite…but probably not….just a productive accident.
     
    I have heard some wishful thinking that Trump has orchestrated this somehow as part of his swamp cleaning - but that sounds too farfetched.
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  83. Truth says:
    @SMK
    In Muslim countries, these women would be beheaded or stoned to death or publicly caned or flogged in "moderate" Islamic cultures and nations -not because they had sex with young men under age 18 -after all, the youngest of the prophets many wives and sex-slaves was 6 when they married and 9 when their sacred union was consummated- but because they had sex outside of marriage.

    So it's telling and ironic that even Muslims would react with "bewilderment," indeed "disbelief," at the post-incarceration punishments inflicted on women teachers who have sex with biological men under statutory age; years of punitive "sex-offender treatment; years of quasi-totalitarian post-incarceration supervision; decades of electronic parole-monitoring with an ankle tether/"bracelet" they can never remove even when bathing or showering; public registration for life or at least 20-30 years as uniquely dangerous and degenerate criminals, their mug-shots, name, and addresses on the internet for all to see. The United States is sui generis in its lunacy and hysteria on this matter.

    In Kuwait if the woman was not married, the girl’s father would have the (quasi*)-legal right to kill the boy involved. So your post is a bit misleading.

    *Nowadays they would give him a year or two in jail, just to placate the west.

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  84. Truth says:
    @Realist
    Sure they are. There should be a time limit between act and accusation. One years sounds good.

    She’s not persuing a legal case, only giving “her” recount of what happened.

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    She is defaming his character and the accused should be allowed to sue for defamation of character, if he feels he did no wrong.
    Very strange she comes forward after all this time.
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  85. “Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned” (William Congreve or William Shakespeare)

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    I'm sure a few of the real victims of sexual assault and murder could testify to an equal or greater fury on the part of a man, though whether it was because he was scorned or not would be a matter for the jury to decide.
    Most of us, regardless of our sex, see from our own pov most viscerally, even Shakespeare and Congreve. Some people can think again upon reflection.
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  86. Z-man says:

    The fact that she was flanked by that ambulance chaser Gloria Allred, mother of Lisa Bloom, defender of Harvey Wein-stain, removes all credibility from the pearled out old horse.
    Go Moore Go!!!

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  87. @Sam Shama
    I am sorry, but this is a piece written to stiffen the backbones of men of a certain age and other assorted misogynists.

    The fact is, men have had it rather free and unhindered for most of history. The scales are tipping a bit to achieve a measure of balance and, no doubt, some opportunists amongst #meetoo are seeking the limelight and false vengeance. That is to be rejected, but to sweep the whole thing under the carpet as some appear to suggest, would be to do a terrible injustice.

    Injustice to women; principally those on the lower rungs of the economic ladder; ones who cannot access the law set up for their protection. Instead, the law suffers misuse by women who need those protections least, abused as an instrument of financial gain from corporations which have set aside funds to pay off these "victims". I give you the Gretchen Carlsons and the Megyn Kellys, gentlemen.

    Just think. Why would a woman in the sixties come forward today with her accusations?

    Simply because she can! She couldn't possibly have back then.The injustice done to a helpless 14-year old waitress by a district attorney might have remained an abomination unknown to the world, until today, when the political climate [a cynical, opportunistic one] provides the means to undo a grave wickedness of many years past!

    I do not claim to know if Roy Clarke was indeed an abuser - a matter for the courts. Yet let us not dismiss the Beverly Nelsons merely because much time has passed!

    Considering the timing and circumstances involved, it amounts to nothing more than a suspicious accusation that could have, and should have been made at anytime over the past 30 years or so. Even if true, and for that reason alone, it should be dismissed out-of-hand.

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  88. @Truth
    Well then I guess it's not just; "Ohhh jeez, it was thrirdee yeeerz ago..."

    Now if you said, "Oh yeah, my buddy porked my daughter when she was in the 10th grade, she's married now it's all good, bygones be bygones" that would be different.

    Even if true, did the porking do her any harm?

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    No, of course not, buddy, just one of your Buds spreading his seed in your teen daughter 20 years ago, what's the harm?
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  89. @Thirdeye
    It's more about seeing that pompous self-righteous twit hoisted on her own petard by someone who doesn't even know her but feels she can trump her in the identity game.

    Is “twit” a misspelling?
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  90. @SMK
    "The word 'rape' has little of its original meaning remaining." The ultimate absurdity is defining women as "rapists" and "pedophiles" for allowing biological men under age 18 to penetrate them in factually consensual relationships, the only "crime" in which the "victim" enjoys the actus reus (i.e. the sex) far more than the woman who "rapes" him and is often if not usually the aggressor and initiator of his phantasmal and theoretical "victimization." So "rape" is now defined as "non-consensual" sex, legally as opposed to factually.

    Due to it’s wide abuse and misuse, the word rape has become virtually meaningless. I visualize a day in the near future when making eye contact with strident feminist results in accusations of rape.

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    Feminists already talk about "eye rape." I don't believe that it has been criminalized yet though.
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  91. nsa says:

    Under Alabama Law in 1979 and the present, “any person who is at least 19 years old who has sexual contact with someone between 12 and 16 years of age has committed sexual abuse in the second degree”. Even an Alabama judge must have some basic knowledge of the law…..Moore has admitted to “dating” 14 year olds when in his 30s, but claims he got permission from the girls’ mothers. Even in a turd world pisshole like Alabama, 30 somethings banging 14 year olds is illegal and the moms should also be prosecuted as accessories to the crime. Anyone here care to defend 30 something power tripping holy rollers banging 14 year olds?

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    Casual dating and sexual contact are two entirely different things. To my knowledge, no one, including the supposed victims have said sexual relations ever occurred. Correct me if I'm mistaken about what has and has not been said by whom and when.
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  92. @SMK
    In Muslim countries, these women would be beheaded or stoned to death or publicly caned or flogged in "moderate" Islamic cultures and nations -not because they had sex with young men under age 18 -after all, the youngest of the prophets many wives and sex-slaves was 6 when they married and 9 when their sacred union was consummated- but because they had sex outside of marriage.

    So it's telling and ironic that even Muslims would react with "bewilderment," indeed "disbelief," at the post-incarceration punishments inflicted on women teachers who have sex with biological men under statutory age; years of punitive "sex-offender treatment; years of quasi-totalitarian post-incarceration supervision; decades of electronic parole-monitoring with an ankle tether/"bracelet" they can never remove even when bathing or showering; public registration for life or at least 20-30 years as uniquely dangerous and degenerate criminals, their mug-shots, name, and addresses on the internet for all to see. The United States is sui generis in its lunacy and hysteria on this matter.

    … women teachers who have sex with biological men under statutory age… public registration for life or at least 20-30 years as uniquely dangerous and degenerate criminals, their mug-shots, name, and addresses on the internet for all to see. The United States is sui generis in its lunacy and hysteria on this matter.

    Yes, but no one really believes this. It is just to show that men and women are equal in the eyes of the law and if you are going to throw the book at male teachers who seduce schoolgirls, then you have to do the same thing to their female counterparts, and pretend they raped the willing boys, even though they are not the real target of the draconian laws.

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  93. Truth says:
    @Carroll Price
    Even if true, did the porking do her any harm?

    No, of course not, buddy, just one of your Buds spreading his seed in your teen daughter 20 years ago, what’s the harm?

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    No harm at all, when done the way Judge Moore does it, as a provider to a married young lady, back in the days of Marriage 1.0. Better than letting a young girl go to college and the ride the cock carousel and never have a traditional husband make a lady out of her.
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  94. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama
    I am sorry, but this is a piece written to stiffen the backbones of men of a certain age and other assorted misogynists.

    The fact is, men have had it rather free and unhindered for most of history. The scales are tipping a bit to achieve a measure of balance and, no doubt, some opportunists amongst #meetoo are seeking the limelight and false vengeance. That is to be rejected, but to sweep the whole thing under the carpet as some appear to suggest, would be to do a terrible injustice.

    Injustice to women; principally those on the lower rungs of the economic ladder; ones who cannot access the law set up for their protection. Instead, the law suffers misuse by women who need those protections least, abused as an instrument of financial gain from corporations which have set aside funds to pay off these "victims". I give you the Gretchen Carlsons and the Megyn Kellys, gentlemen.

    Just think. Why would a woman in the sixties come forward today with her accusations?

    Simply because she can! She couldn't possibly have back then.The injustice done to a helpless 14-year old waitress by a district attorney might have remained an abomination unknown to the world, until today, when the political climate [a cynical, opportunistic one] provides the means to undo a grave wickedness of many years past!

    I do not claim to know if Roy Clarke was indeed an abuser - a matter for the courts. Yet let us not dismiss the Beverly Nelsons merely because much time has passed!

    Very well said, Sam. I don’t really have a dog in this fight, but I’m delighted to be rid of that smug, self-satisfied purveyor of softball questions or official propaganda, Charlie Rose.

    PS…Being over the hill unattractive doesn’t stop old guys like Shamir from pressing themselves on young women, and more likely if they’re rich enough to think they’ll get away with it.

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    Appreciate the kind words, Robin. I share your disdain for Charlie Rose. They start typically as principled and eager young reporters; fame and wealth do the rest.

    It is painful to witness the self-serving commentary from ageing men in need of stiffer backbones [and other parts, possibly]. I wonder if they'd feel quite so outraged at Beverly Nelson, had it been, instead, their own 14-year old child getting porked by a 35-year old man ensconced in a position of power?
    , @Anon
    Shamir presses himself on young women? Who?
    , @Carroll Price

    Being over the hill unattractive doesn’t stop old guys like Shamir from pressing themselves on young women,
     
    Who are you trying to fool? The exact opposite is the case. It's young, attractive narcissist women who are pressing themselves on old unattractive guys who have plenty of money to press into their greedy little hands.
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  95. @renfro
    Politicians falling like dominos. I am waiting for the indicted Pakistani aide to Debbie Wasserman in the House IT and email communications scandal to bargain for immunity to charges in exchange for saying Debbie forced him into a sexual affair while he worked for her.
    I would like to imagine the current sex scandals are a secret grassroots conspiracy to get rid of our noxious Hollywood, Political and other assorted Elite...but probably not....just a productive accident.
    We should get up a petition to have all the House members chip in to repay the taxpayers the 17 million paid out in settlements to people who have brought various harassment and violation charges against these politicians and we should also be reimbursed for their attorney representation whose bills tax payers also paid.


    ''Last week the Washington Post reported that Congress’s Office of Compliance paid out $17 million for 264 settlements with federal employees over 20 years for various violations, including sexual harassment.

    The Conyers documents, however, give a glimpse into the inner workings of the office, which has for decades concealed episodes of sexual abuse by powerful political figures.

    Conyers’ office has a history of ethical run-ins. In 2016, his former chief of staff Cynthia Martin pleaded guilty to receiving stolen property after she refused to reimburse $16,500 that was mistakenly deposited in her account. A preliminary investigation by the Office of Congressional Ethics found that Conyers continued to pay Martin more than $13,000 per month when she was supposedly on unpaid leave

    Conyers’ wife, former Detroit city councilor Monica Conyers, was sentenced to three years in prison over bribery charges in 2010. https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/10/monica-conyers-wife-to-jo_n_494305.html

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/paulmcleod/she-complained-that-a-powerful-congressman-harassed-her?utm_term=.pswvLqorA#.kcpbmEprM

    Earlier this month, Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) said she knew of two current members of Congress ― one Democrat and one Republican ― who had sexually harassed staffers. Rep. Barbara Comstock (R-Va.) also said she’d heard rumors of a current congressman who had exposed himself to a young female staffer. Former Rep. Mary Bono (R-Calif.) told The Associated Press that a congressman who is still serving once approached her on the House floor and said he thought about what it would be like to see her shower.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/diana-degette-bob-filner_us_5a142676e4b0bfa88c1cef15?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    I would like to imagine the current sex scandals are a secret grassroots conspiracy to get rid of our noxious Hollywood, Political and other assorted Elite…but probably not….just a productive accident.

    I have heard some wishful thinking that Trump has orchestrated this somehow as part of his swamp cleaning – but that sounds too farfetched.

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    In all seriousness, C&D, if the alleged lurking pedophilia bombshells ever materialize, we could have some serious swamp draining. The universal appeal (i.e. disgust) of this issue cuts across all political/ideological lines.
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  96. @Rosamond Vincy
    Is "twit" a misspelling?
    ☺️

    You get an A for that comment.

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    That's what the Puritans said about Hester Prynne: "It was the highest grade we could give her, m'lud."
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  97. @NoseytheDuke
    You get an A for that comment.

    That’s what the Puritans said about Hester Prynne: “It was the highest grade we could give her, m’lud.”

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  98. RobinG says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    I would like to imagine the current sex scandals are a secret grassroots conspiracy to get rid of our noxious Hollywood, Political and other assorted Elite…but probably not….just a productive accident.
     
    I have heard some wishful thinking that Trump has orchestrated this somehow as part of his swamp cleaning - but that sounds too farfetched.

    In all seriousness, C&D, if the alleged lurking pedophilia bombshells ever materialize, we could have some serious swamp draining. The universal appeal (i.e. disgust) of this issue cuts across all political/ideological lines.

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    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
    No argument from me on how wonderful it would be if some key Israel-firsters could be shown to be infected with pedo-lust. I would love to see Graham, McCain, Schumer, et al. brought down, pulling the drain plug on the swamp. If this cascade of revelations is being orchestrated by someone(s) rather than by happy chance, that would be phenomenal, and this maestro should be awarded our highest medal of honor. Somehow, Trump doesn't quite fit the bill for this level of 3D checss.
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  99. People need to look beyond the immediate allegations to the underlying trend. What is happening is that white males are being purged from positions of influence across the US and by osmosis Europe. This has been happening for years as white male administrators have been steadily removed from universities under charges of insensitivity to racism or sexism. Now it is spreading to media n even Congress. For years the main charge was racism. As that has lost some of its punch, the PC Inquisition /Progressive movement is once again switching to the charge of sexism. No evidence required. No lawsuit filed. No Statute of Limitations applied. That’s how one defines a political purge. Forget the details. The men are essentially being purged because they are men, just as in earlier times witches were purged because they were women even if some did commit adultery or attempt to cast spells. Notice that virtually all those charged are white men, n not black men. Some are Dems? That’s just collateral damage in the Progressives’ agenda to transform all public life into conflict-free, comfortable safe spaces for emotionally fragile women who cannot deal with men. Once they accomplish this, white women will be purged in turn as they are accused of insensitivity to non-whites. All Revolutions move to the left.

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  100. @Realist
    It is too easy to character assassinate men using a woman's word only....especially many years later. There should be a time constraint on sexual harassment chargers. One year sounds good.

    There is. It’s called Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress. It has been on the books for a century. It has a time limitation, if memory serves, of 2 years. Proof of actual emotional distress is required, like missing a substantial amount of work n consulting psychiatrists. I think that’s the law in most states.

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    That worked fine until the Feds got involved. Now anyone can file a complaint on zero evidence with the EEOC under the 1964 civil rights act alleging sex discrimination based on "unwelcome" conduct, I.e , conduct that makes one uncomfortable. Either the claimant or the EEOC can sue the employer, who is essentially forced to pay blackmail to the filer to stop the process before incurring huge fines thus employers have a tendency to purge anyone who might offend to prevent such a situation arising, whom they can purge, which in the real world means white heterosexual males. The EEOC website says 180 days to file a charge. Note that the evidence in the federal law is subjective, based on the "victim's" feelings n discomfort, not on objective standards like how a different person may have felt. Welcome to the Matriarchy!
    , @Realist
    I am aware of that but there are further limits other than time.

    Roy Moore should file charges against his accuser(s) and let them prove their allegations.
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  101. @Sin City Milla
    There is. It's called Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress. It has been on the books for a century. It has a time limitation, if memory serves, of 2 years. Proof of actual emotional distress is required, like missing a substantial amount of work n consulting psychiatrists. I think that's the law in most states.

    That worked fine until the Feds got involved. Now anyone can file a complaint on zero evidence with the EEOC under the 1964 civil rights act alleging sex discrimination based on “unwelcome” conduct, I.e , conduct that makes one uncomfortable. Either the claimant or the EEOC can sue the employer, who is essentially forced to pay blackmail to the filer to stop the process before incurring huge fines thus employers have a tendency to purge anyone who might offend to prevent such a situation arising, whom they can purge, which in the real world means white heterosexual males. The EEOC website says 180 days to file a charge. Note that the evidence in the federal law is subjective, based on the “victim’s” feelings n discomfort, not on objective standards like how a different person may have felt. Welcome to the Matriarchy!

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  102. Realist says:
    @Truth
    She's not persuing a legal case, only giving "her" recount of what happened.

    She is defaming his character and the accused should be allowed to sue for defamation of character, if he feels he did no wrong.
    Very strange she comes forward after all this time.

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    He can sue. Probably won't because she's probably telling the truth. There's the smoking gun.
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  103. Realist says:
    @Sin City Milla
    There is. It's called Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress. It has been on the books for a century. It has a time limitation, if memory serves, of 2 years. Proof of actual emotional distress is required, like missing a substantial amount of work n consulting psychiatrists. I think that's the law in most states.

    I am aware of that but there are further limits other than time.

    Roy Moore should file charges against his accuser(s) and let them prove their allegations.

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    Roy Moore is smart enough to know that prosecutors in the US get convictions in the high 90s not on the merits of the evidence but on the balance between how the story might play with a jury and how unsympathetic the alleged perp is likely to be.

    Moore knows he is unsympathetic with only roughly half the population of Alabama, so he still has a reasonable chance if he sticks to his story.
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  104. @WHAT
    You know full well that blacks have no superiority in fighting or its proxy sports. How media pushes the dindu wherever possible - or not - is the real problem.
    Everything else is superficial.


    But then again, you`re Chechenova copypasting as usual, so why am I even writing all that.

    They have superiority in sports where they are big enough to stand there and take punishment from guys in pads and gloves, or in others where an advantage in speed and height coupled with practise, no doubt experienced due to a lack of other opportunities or an interest in other things, but ask yourself how many you’ve ever seen in SOF … I’m not talking the groups like Green Berets or Rangers, but Operators. There are minorities in these groups, but they are disproportionately minority considering the makeup of the military as a whole.

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  105. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Anon
    Happily married, but I'd rather have my husband divorce me upfront than take another wife and bring her home.

    :D

    Given what I believe is Talha’s faith, from the few posts of his, and I could be very wrong about that, either he did not get the snark, or has chosen to not take that too personally.

    You do understand that many women live under the “happily married” delusion, even when their husband is “happily banging” somebody on the side?

    Isn’t that quite prevalent in your decadent lands?

    Would you be okay with that as long as you don’t know?

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    he did not get the snark
     
    No, I got the snark, I just really don't take criticism of polygamy seriously from people that come from a non-tribal, city-dwelling culture that is relatively stable. Monogamy probably works well for them, but that's a cultural preference. Plenty of Muslim societies allow polygamy, but its adoption is marginal - like the Malays.

    The city-dweller asks; "Four wives, why so many?"

    The nomad asks; "Four wives, why so few?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dADXIdcbMpY

    It's the same reason why I've heard plenty of Westerners ask why there's a prohibition on pork, but never been asked why there's a prohibition on eating dogs. Maybe in a dog-eating culture I'd get that question.

    Some advice; it's very difficult to hold a conversation when you come in as 'anonymous' due to sense of continuity and such. Just pick a name and stick with it; it's still an anonymous identity, but it helps with tracking who is saying what.

    Peace.

    Note: If one watches an extended version of that interview, it's clear the man had that many wives over his lifetime - not at once.
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  106. @Realist
    I am aware of that but there are further limits other than time.

    Roy Moore should file charges against his accuser(s) and let them prove their allegations.

    Roy Moore is smart enough to know that prosecutors in the US get convictions in the high 90s not on the merits of the evidence but on the balance between how the story might play with a jury and how unsympathetic the alleged perp is likely to be.

    Moore knows he is unsympathetic with only roughly half the population of Alabama, so he still has a reasonable chance if he sticks to his story.

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  107. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @jbwilson24
    "Sweden has had a lot of rape complaints recently. Some readers connected it with mass immigration from the Middle East. And indeed a normal man from the Middle East may misinterpret girl’s words and actions. No means no, say the feminists, but it wasn’t so understood by European men even in the 1950s."

    You've got to be #$#ing kidding. Equating the behaviour of Swedish men back in the 50s with that of low IQ, uneducated, inbred Arabs, Afghans, Pakis, etc???

    A Swedish policewoman admitted a few years back that she had never heard of a single case of gang rape involving ethnic swedes. "It may happen", she said, but it is nothing that has been reported.

    Good lord, what a fool.

    she had never heard of a single case of gang rape involving ethnic swedes.

    Assuming that is even true, why would there be a need?

    Where sexual and moral promiscuity is a paramount way of life, wouldn’t the potential gang rape members simply walk up to a Swedish whore, er common woman, and ask, “hey babe, how about a ten-some orgy, yeah”? It is not like the whore, er woman, would say no, right?

    If the potential gang rape members were to wish for it, the whore, er woman, would be quite happy to provide the required noise effects. No?

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  108. This sobbing retiree who came after 40 years or so, to accuse Roy Moore of something, reminds me the “nurse Nayirah” back on 1991.

    Clearly a jew job

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  109. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Mark Presco
    Your only claim to immortality is to live on though your children. Your true soul, your true self are your genes. These genes are passed from body to body in a continuous existence that reaches all of the way back to the beginning of life on this planet. We are, all of us - every living thing, over 3.5 billion years old.

    To walk this world as a white man again requires white women. No one has contributed more to improve the quality of life for others than white men. The white male bashing we are being subjected to is simply jealousy and envy.

    The bitchiness of so many white women is due to the fact that white men have spoiled them rotten. How to solve this problem requires more space than this comment allows, but solve it we must.

    The white male bashing we are being subjected to is simply jealousy and envy.

    Partially true, I agree.

    But, given the spiritual losers the whites are, the jealousy and envy is not too high :D

    Believe me, the guys who maintain the following website, are doing humanity a great favour.

    http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/db0_onegod.htm

    http://www.badnewsaboutchristianity.com/m01_religion.htm

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  110. @SMK
    "Behavioral research has demonstrated that males have a higher capability of regulating their own and other's emotions than females." Generally, this is true in some ways and false in others, depending on the kind and nature of the emotions, most dramatically in respect to controlling the emotions and impulses that engender violence and criminality and, most horrifically, war and terrorism. Would there be wars in an all-female world?

    "white Sharia now"! I suggest you move to Saudi Arabia.

    I suggest that Saudi Arabia is moving here, because “Sharia,” law that keeps THOTs under control, works sociomilitaritically, i.e., their society can breed enough males to invade. And all White Sharia actually does is goes back to how traditional White society lived 100-150 years ago, which feminists actually want. You can tell, because they’re inviting it, from a culture that will impose traditional patriarchy.

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  111. Truth says:
    @Realist
    She is defaming his character and the accused should be allowed to sue for defamation of character, if he feels he did no wrong.
    Very strange she comes forward after all this time.

    He can sue. Probably won’t because she’s probably telling the truth. There’s the smoking gun.

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    You're dreaming up shit. She can't prove it particularly after all these decades.
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  112. @Truth
    No, of course not, buddy, just one of your Buds spreading his seed in your teen daughter 20 years ago, what's the harm?

    No harm at all, when done the way Judge Moore does it, as a provider to a married young lady, back in the days of Marriage 1.0. Better than letting a young girl go to college and the ride the cock carousel and never have a traditional husband make a lady out of her.

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    If I recall correctly, the famous historian Will Durant married his wife when she was 15 (she was his student) and he was nearing 30. Seemed to be a fruitful marriage - they co-authored their famous book on world civilizations.

    Peace.
    , @Truth
    So you'd be OK with your friend doing it to your high school daughter?

    You liberals are destroying this country, Bro.
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  113. @RobinG
    In all seriousness, C&D, if the alleged lurking pedophilia bombshells ever materialize, we could have some serious swamp draining. The universal appeal (i.e. disgust) of this issue cuts across all political/ideological lines.

    No argument from me on how wonderful it would be if some key Israel-firsters could be shown to be infected with pedo-lust. I would love to see Graham, McCain, Schumer, et al. brought down, pulling the drain plug on the swamp. If this cascade of revelations is being orchestrated by someone(s) rather than by happy chance, that would be phenomenal, and this maestro should be awarded our highest medal of honor. Somehow, Trump doesn’t quite fit the bill for this level of 3D checss.

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  114. Moi says:
    @joe webb
    "ugly and old crow" hoo boy! take a gander at the face of Shamir. Looks like Home Simpson.

    never mind the women-hating of this jew boy.

    Joe Webb

    I don’t think Shamir claims that some sweet young thing came on to him…

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  115. Talha says:
    @anonymous
    :D

    Given what I believe is Talha's faith, from the few posts of his, and I could be very wrong about that, either he did not get the snark, or has chosen to not take that too personally.

    You do understand that many women live under the "happily married" delusion, even when their husband is "happily banging" somebody on the side?

    Isn't that quite prevalent in your decadent lands?

    Would you be okay with that as long as you don't know?

    he did not get the snark

    No, I got the snark, I just really don’t take criticism of polygamy seriously from people that come from a non-tribal, city-dwelling culture that is relatively stable. Monogamy probably works well for them, but that’s a cultural preference. Plenty of Muslim societies allow polygamy, but its adoption is marginal – like the Malays.

    The city-dweller asks; “Four wives, why so many?”

    The nomad asks; “Four wives, why so few?”

    It’s the same reason why I’ve heard plenty of Westerners ask why there’s a prohibition on pork, but never been asked why there’s a prohibition on eating dogs. Maybe in a dog-eating culture I’d get that question.

    Some advice; it’s very difficult to hold a conversation when you come in as ‘anonymous’ due to sense of continuity and such. Just pick a name and stick with it; it’s still an anonymous identity, but it helps with tracking who is saying what.

    Peace.

    Note: If one watches an extended version of that interview, it’s clear the man had that many wives over his lifetime – not at once.

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    I’ve heard plenty of Westerners ask why there’s a prohibition on pork, but never been asked why there’s a prohibition on eating dogs.
     
    That is a valid argument as long as the person practicing their respective cultural peculiarities are doing so in their respective cultures. An American eating pork in the US is as normal as a Chinese villager eating cats or dogs in China. It becomes a problem when the Chinese person tries to do so in the US or the US person tries to do so in some parts of the Middle East.

    Ethical relativism is the theory that holds that morality is relative to the norms of one's culture, i.e., whether an action is right or wrong depends on the moral norms of the society in which it is practiced. The same action may be morally right in one society but be morally wrong in another.

    A recent problem in Sweden where the court set an immigrant rapist free because such actions would be considered inoffensive in the immigrant's own country (which country doesn't abhor rape?), is actually a violation of the above ethical principle. Rape is not a norm in Sweden, and just because it is acceptable (wtf?) in the perpetrator's home country, still makes it a violation of Swedish law (hmmm, something fishy about this story).

    But there is also the concept of Ethical Absolutism, where something is wrong irrespective of culture. It is my understanding that "boy dancers" as sex slaves is socially acceptable in parts of Afghanistan. US soldiers were told to ignore child rape in that country:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html


    “The reason we were here is because we heard the terrible things the Taliban were doing to people, how they were taking away human rights,” said Dan Quinn, a former Special Forces captain who beat up an American-backed militia commander for keeping a boy chained to his bed as a sex slave. “But we were putting people into power who would do things that were worse than the Taliban did — that was something village elders voiced to me.”

    The policy of instructing soldiers to ignore child sexual abuse by their Afghan allies is coming under new scrutiny, particularly as it emerges that service members like Captain Quinn have faced discipline, even career ruin, for disobeying it.

    After the beating, the Army relieved Captain Quinn of his command and pulled him from Afghanistan. He has since left the military.

     

    In my eyes (an ethical absolutist), Captain Quinn was in the right, whereas an ethical relativist would contend that Captain Quinn was passing judgment on a social norm that was alien to his own.

    This is a bit different from eating dogs, but I am sure you can appreciate the ethical dilemma for us absolutists.
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  116. Talha says:
    @Hank Rearden
    No harm at all, when done the way Judge Moore does it, as a provider to a married young lady, back in the days of Marriage 1.0. Better than letting a young girl go to college and the ride the cock carousel and never have a traditional husband make a lady out of her.

    If I recall correctly, the famous historian Will Durant married his wife when she was 15 (she was his student) and he was nearing 30. Seemed to be a fruitful marriage – they co-authored their famous book on world civilizations.

    Peace.

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  117. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG
    Very well said, Sam. I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I'm delighted to be rid of that smug, self-satisfied purveyor of softball questions or official propaganda, Charlie Rose.

    PS...Being over the hill unattractive doesn't stop old guys like Shamir from pressing themselves on young women, and more likely if they're rich enough to think they'll get away with it.

    Appreciate the kind words, Robin. I share your disdain for Charlie Rose. They start typically as principled and eager young reporters; fame and wealth do the rest.

    It is painful to witness the self-serving commentary from ageing men in need of stiffer backbones [and other parts, possibly]. I wonder if they’d feel quite so outraged at Beverly Nelson, had it been, instead, their own 14-year old child getting porked by a 35-year old man ensconced in a position of power?

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    Talha correctly observed that Will Durant married Ariel when she was only 15 and his former student. The question of "inappropriate" age (and apparently the "age of consent" is not even consistent throughout US) is today being mingled with sexual harassment. Someone posed the question, will the tsunami of revelations about sexual misconduct - including butt-grabbing and suggestive remarks - so desensitize people that it blunts their reaction when more serious crimes emerge? Because there are rumors of horrific pedophilia, along with human and child trafficking.

    The word child is routinely abused. Your mom may consider you her child forever, but technically you stopped being one at puberty. Maybe there's some fuzziness in the years they call tweens, but by 16 plenty of physically mature girls are lying about their age to get into bars, and trying to pick up college boys. These kids might be immature, (maybe Ariel Kaufman was not, who knows), but they're not children.

    Confession: I don't follow this stuff, don't know who Beverly Nelson is. My concern is that, if some are accusing Moore of having tried to date children, it will cloud understanding of much more perverted crimes. Sorry, this is a big topic and I've just scratched the surface. I really like Talha's comment #130 about children -- humans aren't born intuitive angels, they have to be taught.
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  118. @Talha

    he did not get the snark
     
    No, I got the snark, I just really don't take criticism of polygamy seriously from people that come from a non-tribal, city-dwelling culture that is relatively stable. Monogamy probably works well for them, but that's a cultural preference. Plenty of Muslim societies allow polygamy, but its adoption is marginal - like the Malays.

    The city-dweller asks; "Four wives, why so many?"

    The nomad asks; "Four wives, why so few?"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dADXIdcbMpY

    It's the same reason why I've heard plenty of Westerners ask why there's a prohibition on pork, but never been asked why there's a prohibition on eating dogs. Maybe in a dog-eating culture I'd get that question.

    Some advice; it's very difficult to hold a conversation when you come in as 'anonymous' due to sense of continuity and such. Just pick a name and stick with it; it's still an anonymous identity, but it helps with tracking who is saying what.

    Peace.

    Note: If one watches an extended version of that interview, it's clear the man had that many wives over his lifetime - not at once.

    I’ve heard plenty of Westerners ask why there’s a prohibition on pork, but never been asked why there’s a prohibition on eating dogs.

    That is a valid argument as long as the person practicing their respective cultural peculiarities are doing so in their respective cultures. An American eating pork in the US is as normal as a Chinese villager eating cats or dogs in China. It becomes a problem when the Chinese person tries to do so in the US or the US person tries to do so in some parts of the Middle East.

    Ethical relativism is the theory that holds that morality is relative to the norms of one’s culture, i.e., whether an action is right or wrong depends on the moral norms of the society in which it is practiced. The same action may be morally right in one society but be morally wrong in another.

    A recent problem in Sweden where the court set an immigrant rapist free because such actions would be considered inoffensive in the immigrant’s own country (which country doesn’t abhor rape?), is actually a violation of the above ethical principle. Rape is not a norm in Sweden, and just because it is acceptable (wtf?) in the perpetrator’s home country, still makes it a violation of Swedish law (hmmm, something fishy about this story).

    But there is also the concept of Ethical Absolutism, where something is wrong irrespective of culture. It is my understanding that “boy dancers” as sex slaves is socially acceptable in parts of Afghanistan. US soldiers were told to ignore child rape in that country:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html

    “The reason we were here is because we heard the terrible things the Taliban were doing to people, how they were taking away human rights,” said Dan Quinn, a former Special Forces captain who beat up an American-backed militia commander for keeping a boy chained to his bed as a sex slave. “But we were putting people into power who would do things that were worse than the Taliban did — that was something village elders voiced to me.”

    The policy of instructing soldiers to ignore child sexual abuse by their Afghan allies is coming under new scrutiny, particularly as it emerges that service members like Captain Quinn have faced discipline, even career ruin, for disobeying it.

    After the beating, the Army relieved Captain Quinn of his command and pulled him from Afghanistan. He has since left the military.

    In my eyes (an ethical absolutist), Captain Quinn was in the right, whereas an ethical relativist would contend that Captain Quinn was passing judgment on a social norm that was alien to his own.

    This is a bit different from eating dogs, but I am sure you can appreciate the ethical dilemma for us absolutists.

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    Hey C&D,

    the US person tries to do so in some parts of the Middle East
     
    It's fine with us - non-Muslim Christians have been eating pork (and drinking alcohol) in Muslim lands for centuries. It's immoral as far as we're concerned, but those are their protected rights as part of long-standing dhimmah agreement.

    which country doesn’t abhor rape?
     
    I don't know - I think the defense is stupid. The fact that this strategy was allowed to stand says far more about the systemic failure in Swedish law than anything else. If a non-Muslim raped a Muslim boy, we would apply the Shariah on him.

    I am sure you can appreciate the ethical dilemma for us absolutists
     
    I am an ethical absolutist; I believe that the Shariah defines (transcendentally) what is moral and what is not and thus every culture needs to be scrutinized through that lense. Thus monogamy and polygyny are fine (and each culture can adopt whatever suits them - it is a universal religion) - but polyandry is not. But it makes no sense to me to police a community that doesn't believe in my transcendental truth as long as they don't harm anyone. I'm not by non-brother's keeper.

    As to the example of bacha bazi - it is against the Shariah - which is why the Taliban suppressed it under penalty of death. We (the US) are the ones that put the "boy players" back in charge - those "who would do things that were worse than the Taliban did".

    The question is an epistemological one; where do you derive your moral and ethical principles? Otherwise, it's simply one man's opinion over another's or one's society over another's - in that sense, it is all relative - it's not about morality in the true sense, just which culture happens to be in charge and holding the whip.

    Peace.

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  119. Truth says:
    @Hank Rearden
    No harm at all, when done the way Judge Moore does it, as a provider to a married young lady, back in the days of Marriage 1.0. Better than letting a young girl go to college and the ride the cock carousel and never have a traditional husband make a lady out of her.

    So you’d be OK with your friend doing it to your high school daughter?

    You liberals are destroying this country, Bro.

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    Rest assured that if your friend is banging your 15 year-old daughter, he's not the only one.
    , @Hank Rearden
    Women probably shouldn't be going to high school. Definitely not college. They just drag the standards down.

    The more girls in a college, the lower the average IQ of its students
    randalolson.com/2014/06/25/average-iq-of-students-by-college-major-and-gender-ratio/

     

    What do you mean by "doing it?"

    Getting married to a successful man who asks for her hand in marriage and and they raise a family? Sure.

    Having casual sex with a midwit like you who mistakes me for a "libhrul?" I've got a shotgun, lots of acres, and a backhoe. Stay away, boy, if you know what's good for you. You're not tall enough to ride.
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  120. gwynedd1 says:

    Today, yes means maybe. Maybe she will still like you in the morning. Maybe she will regret it, 10 , 20 , 30 years later.

    I wonder if sky scrappers will be the Shaker furniture of the 22nd Century?

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  121. Talha says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    I’ve heard plenty of Westerners ask why there’s a prohibition on pork, but never been asked why there’s a prohibition on eating dogs.
     
    That is a valid argument as long as the person practicing their respective cultural peculiarities are doing so in their respective cultures. An American eating pork in the US is as normal as a Chinese villager eating cats or dogs in China. It becomes a problem when the Chinese person tries to do so in the US or the US person tries to do so in some parts of the Middle East.

    Ethical relativism is the theory that holds that morality is relative to the norms of one's culture, i.e., whether an action is right or wrong depends on the moral norms of the society in which it is practiced. The same action may be morally right in one society but be morally wrong in another.

    A recent problem in Sweden where the court set an immigrant rapist free because such actions would be considered inoffensive in the immigrant's own country (which country doesn't abhor rape?), is actually a violation of the above ethical principle. Rape is not a norm in Sweden, and just because it is acceptable (wtf?) in the perpetrator's home country, still makes it a violation of Swedish law (hmmm, something fishy about this story).

    But there is also the concept of Ethical Absolutism, where something is wrong irrespective of culture. It is my understanding that "boy dancers" as sex slaves is socially acceptable in parts of Afghanistan. US soldiers were told to ignore child rape in that country:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html


    “The reason we were here is because we heard the terrible things the Taliban were doing to people, how they were taking away human rights,” said Dan Quinn, a former Special Forces captain who beat up an American-backed militia commander for keeping a boy chained to his bed as a sex slave. “But we were putting people into power who would do things that were worse than the Taliban did — that was something village elders voiced to me.”

    The policy of instructing soldiers to ignore child sexual abuse by their Afghan allies is coming under new scrutiny, particularly as it emerges that service members like Captain Quinn have faced discipline, even career ruin, for disobeying it.

    After the beating, the Army relieved Captain Quinn of his command and pulled him from Afghanistan. He has since left the military.

     

    In my eyes (an ethical absolutist), Captain Quinn was in the right, whereas an ethical relativist would contend that Captain Quinn was passing judgment on a social norm that was alien to his own.

    This is a bit different from eating dogs, but I am sure you can appreciate the ethical dilemma for us absolutists.

    Hey C&D,

    the US person tries to do so in some parts of the Middle East

    It’s fine with us – non-Muslim Christians have been eating pork (and drinking alcohol) in Muslim lands for centuries. It’s immoral as far as we’re concerned, but those are their protected rights as part of long-standing dhimmah agreement.

    which country doesn’t abhor rape?

    I don’t know – I think the defense is stupid. The fact that this strategy was allowed to stand says far more about the systemic failure in Swedish law than anything else. If a non-Muslim raped a Muslim boy, we would apply the Shariah on him.

    I am sure you can appreciate the ethical dilemma for us absolutists

    I am an ethical absolutist; I believe that the Shariah defines (transcendentally) what is moral and what is not and thus every culture needs to be scrutinized through that lense. Thus monogamy and polygyny are fine (and each culture can adopt whatever suits them – it is a universal religion) – but polyandry is not. But it makes no sense to me to police a community that doesn’t believe in my transcendental truth as long as they don’t harm anyone. I’m not by non-brother’s keeper.

    As to the example of bacha bazi – it is against the Shariah – which is why the Taliban suppressed it under penalty of death. We (the US) are the ones that put the “boy players” back in charge – those “who would do things that were worse than the Taliban did”.

    The question is an epistemological one; where do you derive your moral and ethical principles? Otherwise, it’s simply one man’s opinion over another’s or one’s society over another’s – in that sense, it is all relative – it’s not about morality in the true sense, just which culture happens to be in charge and holding the whip.

    Peace.

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    https://me.me/i/no-thats-not-his-daughter-thats-his-wife-redwire-news-com-13343090

    So, are you ok with this Shariah compliant practice?
    , @ussr andy
    >where do you derive your moral and ethical principles

    some things just feel icky.
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  122. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Talha
    Hey C&D,

    the US person tries to do so in some parts of the Middle East
     
    It's fine with us - non-Muslim Christians have been eating pork (and drinking alcohol) in Muslim lands for centuries. It's immoral as far as we're concerned, but those are their protected rights as part of long-standing dhimmah agreement.

    which country doesn’t abhor rape?
     
    I don't know - I think the defense is stupid. The fact that this strategy was allowed to stand says far more about the systemic failure in Swedish law than anything else. If a non-Muslim raped a Muslim boy, we would apply the Shariah on him.

    I am sure you can appreciate the ethical dilemma for us absolutists
     
    I am an ethical absolutist; I believe that the Shariah defines (transcendentally) what is moral and what is not and thus every culture needs to be scrutinized through that lense. Thus monogamy and polygyny are fine (and each culture can adopt whatever suits them - it is a universal religion) - but polyandry is not. But it makes no sense to me to police a community that doesn't believe in my transcendental truth as long as they don't harm anyone. I'm not by non-brother's keeper.

    As to the example of bacha bazi - it is against the Shariah - which is why the Taliban suppressed it under penalty of death. We (the US) are the ones that put the "boy players" back in charge - those "who would do things that were worse than the Taliban did".

    The question is an epistemological one; where do you derive your moral and ethical principles? Otherwise, it's simply one man's opinion over another's or one's society over another's - in that sense, it is all relative - it's not about morality in the true sense, just which culture happens to be in charge and holding the whip.

    Peace.

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    Depends on what you mean. Would I marry my daughter off to some 45 year old guy? Then no - because I and my daughter are Americans and that is not our culture.

    If the question is from a perspective of; is it moral? Then sure - as Prof. Nigosian (Armenian Minister and historian of Islam) stated :
    “It was not uncommon at one time for children to be married even before they reached puberty, though they were not permitted to cohabit until they were at least sexually mature.”
    Islam: Its History, Teaching, and Practices

    In Islam; a man can officially marry (on paper) a child-bride or a woman can marry a child-husband. They simply don't get together until they are sexually mature (meaning a biological adult with puberty - which varies from person to person). And the moment (literally the moment, we studied this with our teacher) that the child becomes mature, they can immediately annul the marriage without any questions.

    So the marriage needs buy in from both the woman (consent is absolutely necessary) and the father of the bride. And if both are willing, having been raised in a society that marries women off very early such that there is no eeewwww factor, then what is the big deal*? Those societies are usually rural, not very literate, and the average lifespan is quite low - it makes sense for a father to try to marry off his daughter (again, she needs to be willing) early if he is feeding 8 kids. What's he going to do - wait until she doesn't graduate from not-college?

    Obviously, Western societies aren't like that - which is fine (no need to change the rules), but that is a cultural preference - that is not a moral principle. And frankly, before the 20th century, plenty of Western societies had age-of-consent that would be considered statutory rape today (most US states had 10, and other had 12):
    http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/case-studies/230?section=primarysources&source=24

    So cultures change with time based upon their given environment and lifestyle - unless you think all those Western societies were actually immoral before the 20th century. Plenty of Muslim scholars have ruled that it is fine for a society to raise the legal age of marriage and that's fine so it boils down to the cultural prerogative of each people. This even varies in the US, currently a girl can marry as young as 12 or 13 in Massachusetts and New Hampshire, respectively (with parental consent):
    http://family.findlaw.com/marriage/state-by-state-marriage-age-of-consent-laws.html

    Also, same advice as to the other person; it helps if you pick a handle so that continuity of conversation can be maintained.

    Peace.

    *I honestly wouldn't be surprised if teenage girls in the US would be ready to marry (36 year old) Justin Timberlake or even (45 year old) Eminem today if that was the offer on the table.

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  123. dcite says:
    @Carroll Price
    "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned” (William Congreve or William Shakespeare)

    I’m sure a few of the real victims of sexual assault and murder could testify to an equal or greater fury on the part of a man, though whether it was because he was scorned or not would be a matter for the jury to decide.
    Most of us, regardless of our sex, see from our own pov most viscerally, even Shakespeare and Congreve. Some people can think again upon reflection.

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    As to the quote, I suspect "jilted" (rather than scorned) would more accurately convey the gist of what the author intended to convey.
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  124. @jacques sheete

    Men, too, are receptive to mass hysteria, but women much more so.
     
    Bullshit.

    Men can be paranoid drama queens as much as any woman. It takes next to nothing to get them stirred up enough to march off to war, for instance.

    Just the neocon men, mi amigo!

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  125. Talha says:
    @Anon
    https://me.me/i/no-thats-not-his-daughter-thats-his-wife-redwire-news-com-13343090

    So, are you ok with this Shariah compliant practice?

    Depends on what you mean. Would I marry my daughter off to some 45 year old guy? Then no – because I and my daughter are Americans and that is not our culture.

    If the question is from a perspective of; is it moral? Then sure – as Prof. Nigosian (Armenian Minister and historian of Islam) stated :
    “It was not uncommon at one time for children to be married even before they reached puberty, though they were not permitted to cohabit until they were at least sexually mature.”
    Islam: Its History, Teaching, and Practices

    In Islam; a man can officially marry (on paper) a child-bride or a woman can marry a child-husband. They simply don’t get together until they are sexually mature (meaning a biological adult with puberty – which varies from person to person). And the moment (literally the moment, we studied this with our teacher) that the child becomes mature, they can immediately annul the marriage without any questions.

    So the marriage needs buy in from both the woman (consent is absolutely necessary) and the father of the bride. And if both are willing, having been raised in a society that marries women off very early such that there is no eeewwww factor, then what is the big deal*? Those societies are usually rural, not very literate, and the average lifespan is quite low – it makes sense for a father to try to marry off his daughter (again, she needs to be willing) early if he is feeding 8 kids. What’s he going to do – wait until she doesn’t graduate from not-college?

    Obviously, Western societies aren’t like that – which is fine (no need to change the rules), but that is a cultural preference – that is not a moral principle. And frankly, before the 20th century, plenty of Western societies had age-of-consent that would be considered statutory rape today (most US states had 10, and other had 12):

    http://chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/case-studies/230?section=primarysources&source=24

    So cultures change with time based upon their given environment and lifestyle – unless you think all those Western societies were actually immoral before the 20th century. Plenty of Muslim scholars have ruled that it is fine for a society to raise the legal age of marriage and that’s fine so it boils down to the cultural prerogative of each people. This even varies in the US, currently a girl can marry as young as 12 or 13 in Massachusetts and New Hampshire, respectively (with parental consent):

    http://family.findlaw.com/marriage/state-by-state-marriage-age-of-consent-laws.html

    Also, same advice as to the other person; it helps if you pick a handle so that continuity of conversation can be maintained.

    Peace.

    *I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if teenage girls in the US would be ready to marry (36 year old) Justin Timberlake or even (45 year old) Eminem today if that was the offer on the table.

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  126. The question is an epistemological one; where do you derive your moral and ethical principles? Otherwise, it’s simply one man’s opinion over another’s or one’s society over another’s – in that sense, it is all relative – it’s not about morality in the true sense, just which culture happens to be in charge and holding the whip.

    Interesting question.

    Kantian ethics proposes that the Categorical Imperative is universal law and implies divine origin of morality – and is probably sympathetic to your beliefs. In contrast Aristotelian Virtue Ethics implies an intuitive character trait of “virtuosity” in a person, and by definition, anything that a virtuous person does is virtuous. The US, sees itself as a “Virtuous Nation” that can do no evil (independent of facts on the ground).

    Both these philosophical concepts exclude the outcomes of the actions of the actors. The Kantian CI only looks at intent, while the Aristotelean deems any action of the “virtuous person” to be moral independent of intent or outcome. Of course, a deontologist would argue that the intuition of “virtue” has divine origin.

    A more teleological principle (utilitarianism) would only judge the outcome, so, for instance, it would be okay to murder half a million Iraqi children for the (allegedly) greater good. Not surprisingly, most world leaders, and even entire countries such as Israel, are adherents of this philosophy. Where this philosophy falls apart is: who gets to decide what is the greater good? Invariably, it is a determination of whether it is good for “the decider” (reference deliberate).

    So, going back to your question, where does morality come from? I would humbly contend (from my absolutist viewpoint) that humans are inherently good and born with the sense of what is right or wrong, but cultures and societal conditioning dulls those intuitive senses. This is more in line (though not exactly) with Locke’s natural law, which has its own flaws. I presume that someone as you, who believes that an omnipotent deity created humans, imbibed that sense into humans. We could argue whether one needs a deity in order to reinforce and protect humans from the onslaught of societal pressures to preserve that sense (in essence a set of divine laws, like Shariah) or whether humans can be guided their own set of such moral laws to achieve the same function without the need for the existence of a deity, because of intuitive consensus on what is good.

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    this was in response to Talha - not sure why the reference to your post did not carry over...
    , @Talha
    Hey C&D,

    anything that a virtuous person does is virtuous
     
    I believe that was Nietzsche's view also of the "superman" - the one who is above it all; the one that is the author of ethics and morals.

    Where this philosophy falls apart is: who gets to decide what is the greater good?
     
    Indeed.

    that humans are inherently good and born with the sense of what is right or wrong, but cultures and societal conditioning dulls those intuitive senses
     
    This is quite interesting. Having raised four children myself, I would say there are certain very beautiful aspects of children and their innate nature. And somethings which are absolutely psychopathic. You have to teach them to be kind, to share, etc. They are very selfish and greedy at the beginning and their animal-self/ego has to be trained.

    I've read a few articles on child soldiers; they can often be the most sadistic and capable of the worst atrocities because their moral compass has not yet been attuned. So circumstances and environment can affect a person each way.

    I presume that someone as you, who believes that an omnipotent deity created humans, imbibed that sense into humans.
     
    Correct:
    "And by the soul and He who proportioned it. And inspired it to understand its wickedness and its righteousness." (91:7-8)

    because of intuitive consensus on what is good
     
    This is where I have difficulty. For instance - go back 200 years, most everyone in the West thought fornication was immoral - now this is a minority opinion. Societies like Britain had no problem drawing and quartering a criminal in full public view - people brought their families to watch (there are even photographs of kids attending lynchings). Can moral principles change? If not - when exactly do they get written in stone? By who? If they change, isn't this the Left-liberal approach*? Our assumed moral principles might simply be the butt of tomorrow's jokes.

    Peace.

    *I've debated liberals on certain things and have not heard sound arguments for most of their claims - one basically resorted to "But it's 2017!"
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  127. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @RobinG
    Very well said, Sam. I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I'm delighted to be rid of that smug, self-satisfied purveyor of softball questions or official propaganda, Charlie Rose.

    PS...Being over the hill unattractive doesn't stop old guys like Shamir from pressing themselves on young women, and more likely if they're rich enough to think they'll get away with it.

    Shamir presses himself on young women? Who?

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  128. dcite says:
    @Sam Shama
    I am sorry, but this is a piece written to stiffen the backbones of men of a certain age and other assorted misogynists.

    The fact is, men have had it rather free and unhindered for most of history. The scales are tipping a bit to achieve a measure of balance and, no doubt, some opportunists amongst #meetoo are seeking the limelight and false vengeance. That is to be rejected, but to sweep the whole thing under the carpet as some appear to suggest, would be to do a terrible injustice.

    Injustice to women; principally those on the lower rungs of the economic ladder; ones who cannot access the law set up for their protection. Instead, the law suffers misuse by women who need those protections least, abused as an instrument of financial gain from corporations which have set aside funds to pay off these "victims". I give you the Gretchen Carlsons and the Megyn Kellys, gentlemen.

    Just think. Why would a woman in the sixties come forward today with her accusations?

    Simply because she can! She couldn't possibly have back then.The injustice done to a helpless 14-year old waitress by a district attorney might have remained an abomination unknown to the world, until today, when the political climate [a cynical, opportunistic one] provides the means to undo a grave wickedness of many years past!

    I do not claim to know if Roy Clarke was indeed an abuser - a matter for the courts. Yet let us not dismiss the Beverly Nelsons merely because much time has passed!

    “The Girl with the Pearl Earring,” fictional account of the Vermeer’s model for that famous portrait, was probably a servant considering her mode of dress and expression. The servant girl is groped by an enthusiastic, important guest, while serving at the family dinner table. Vermeer and family are mildly embarrassed but indifferent. Shocked and worried about the old guy’s plans, she quickly consummates her courtship with her boyfriend so that he will have no reason to doubt her virtue. Had she been attacked by the important guest, she would not have said anything to anyone. Everyone would have called her names–like, maybe, crow or buzzard. The misery would have been compounded and the important man’s discomfiture, not hers, would have left a worst taste for everyone who mattered. Only murder would have made her a sympathetic character.

    In the Old Testament, there is the story of Susannah, and the story of Joseph. Both involve false accusations by rejected lusters, one of a woman, one of a man. This has always gone on.

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  129. @Cloak And Dagger

    The question is an epistemological one; where do you derive your moral and ethical principles? Otherwise, it’s simply one man’s opinion over another’s or one’s society over another’s – in that sense, it is all relative – it’s not about morality in the true sense, just which culture happens to be in charge and holding the whip.
     
    Interesting question.

    Kantian ethics proposes that the Categorical Imperative is universal law and implies divine origin of morality - and is probably sympathetic to your beliefs. In contrast Aristotelian Virtue Ethics implies an intuitive character trait of "virtuosity" in a person, and by definition, anything that a virtuous person does is virtuous. The US, sees itself as a "Virtuous Nation" that can do no evil (independent of facts on the ground).

    Both these philosophical concepts exclude the outcomes of the actions of the actors. The Kantian CI only looks at intent, while the Aristotelean deems any action of the "virtuous person" to be moral independent of intent or outcome. Of course, a deontologist would argue that the intuition of "virtue" has divine origin.

    A more teleological principle (utilitarianism) would only judge the outcome, so, for instance, it would be okay to murder half a million Iraqi children for the (allegedly) greater good. Not surprisingly, most world leaders, and even entire countries such as Israel, are adherents of this philosophy. Where this philosophy falls apart is: who gets to decide what is the greater good? Invariably, it is a determination of whether it is good for "the decider" (reference deliberate).

    So, going back to your question, where does morality come from? I would humbly contend (from my absolutist viewpoint) that humans are inherently good and born with the sense of what is right or wrong, but cultures and societal conditioning dulls those intuitive senses. This is more in line (though not exactly) with Locke's natural law, which has its own flaws. I presume that someone as you, who believes that an omnipotent deity created humans, imbibed that sense into humans. We could argue whether one needs a deity in order to reinforce and protect humans from the onslaught of societal pressures to preserve that sense (in essence a set of divine laws, like Shariah) or whether humans can be guided their own set of such moral laws to achieve the same function without the need for the existence of a deity, because of intuitive consensus on what is good.

    this was in response to Talha – not sure why the reference to your post did not carry over…

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  130. Talha says:
    @Cloak And Dagger

    The question is an epistemological one; where do you derive your moral and ethical principles? Otherwise, it’s simply one man’s opinion over another’s or one’s society over another’s – in that sense, it is all relative – it’s not about morality in the true sense, just which culture happens to be in charge and holding the whip.
     
    Interesting question.

    Kantian ethics proposes that the Categorical Imperative is universal law and implies divine origin of morality - and is probably sympathetic to your beliefs. In contrast Aristotelian Virtue Ethics implies an intuitive character trait of "virtuosity" in a person, and by definition, anything that a virtuous person does is virtuous. The US, sees itself as a "Virtuous Nation" that can do no evil (independent of facts on the ground).

    Both these philosophical concepts exclude the outcomes of the actions of the actors. The Kantian CI only looks at intent, while the Aristotelean deems any action of the "virtuous person" to be moral independent of intent or outcome. Of course, a deontologist would argue that the intuition of "virtue" has divine origin.

    A more teleological principle (utilitarianism) would only judge the outcome, so, for instance, it would be okay to murder half a million Iraqi children for the (allegedly) greater good. Not surprisingly, most world leaders, and even entire countries such as Israel, are adherents of this philosophy. Where this philosophy falls apart is: who gets to decide what is the greater good? Invariably, it is a determination of whether it is good for "the decider" (reference deliberate).

    So, going back to your question, where does morality come from? I would humbly contend (from my absolutist viewpoint) that humans are inherently good and born with the sense of what is right or wrong, but cultures and societal conditioning dulls those intuitive senses. This is more in line (though not exactly) with Locke's natural law, which has its own flaws. I presume that someone as you, who believes that an omnipotent deity created humans, imbibed that sense into humans. We could argue whether one needs a deity in order to reinforce and protect humans from the onslaught of societal pressures to preserve that sense (in essence a set of divine laws, like Shariah) or whether humans can be guided their own set of such moral laws to achieve the same function without the need for the existence of a deity, because of intuitive consensus on what is good.

    Hey C&D,

    anything that a virtuous person does is virtuous

    I believe that was Nietzsche’s view also of the “superman” – the one who is above it all; the one that is the author of ethics and morals.

    Where this philosophy falls apart is: who gets to decide what is the greater good?

    Indeed.

    that humans are inherently good and born with the sense of what is right or wrong, but cultures and societal conditioning dulls those intuitive senses

    This is quite interesting. Having raised four children myself, I would say there are certain very beautiful aspects of children and their innate nature. And somethings which are absolutely psychopathic. You have to teach them to be kind, to share, etc. They are very selfish and greedy at the beginning and their animal-self/ego has to be trained.

    I’ve read a few articles on child soldiers; they can often be the most sadistic and capable of the worst atrocities because their moral compass has not yet been attuned. So circumstances and environment can affect a person each way.

    I presume that someone as you, who believes that an omnipotent deity created humans, imbibed that sense into humans.

    Correct:
    “And by the soul and He who proportioned it. And inspired it to understand its wickedness and its righteousness.” (91:7-8)

    because of intuitive consensus on what is good

    This is where I have difficulty. For instance – go back 200 years, most everyone in the West thought fornication was immoral – now this is a minority opinion. Societies like Britain had no problem drawing and quartering a criminal in full public view – people brought their families to watch (there are even photographs of kids attending lynchings). Can moral principles change? If not – when exactly do they get written in stone? By who? If they change, isn’t this the Left-liberal approach*? Our assumed moral principles might simply be the butt of tomorrow’s jokes.

    Peace.

    *I’ve debated liberals on certain things and have not heard sound arguments for most of their claims – one basically resorted to “But it’s 2017!”

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    Good points all.
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  131. @dcite
    I'm sure a few of the real victims of sexual assault and murder could testify to an equal or greater fury on the part of a man, though whether it was because he was scorned or not would be a matter for the jury to decide.
    Most of us, regardless of our sex, see from our own pov most viscerally, even Shakespeare and Congreve. Some people can think again upon reflection.

    As to the quote, I suspect “jilted” (rather than scorned) would more accurately convey the gist of what the author intended to convey.

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  132. @nsa
    Under Alabama Law in 1979 and the present, "any person who is at least 19 years old who has sexual contact with someone between 12 and 16 years of age has committed sexual abuse in the second degree". Even an Alabama judge must have some basic knowledge of the law.....Moore has admitted to "dating" 14 year olds when in his 30s, but claims he got permission from the girls' mothers. Even in a turd world pisshole like Alabama, 30 somethings banging 14 year olds is illegal and the moms should also be prosecuted as accessories to the crime. Anyone here care to defend 30 something power tripping holy rollers banging 14 year olds?

    Casual dating and sexual contact are two entirely different things. To my knowledge, no one, including the supposed victims have said sexual relations ever occurred. Correct me if I’m mistaken about what has and has not been said by whom and when.

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  133. @RobinG
    Very well said, Sam. I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I'm delighted to be rid of that smug, self-satisfied purveyor of softball questions or official propaganda, Charlie Rose.

    PS...Being over the hill unattractive doesn't stop old guys like Shamir from pressing themselves on young women, and more likely if they're rich enough to think they'll get away with it.

    Being over the hill unattractive doesn’t stop old guys like Shamir from pressing themselves on young women,

    Who are you trying to fool? The exact opposite is the case. It’s young, attractive narcissist women who are pressing themselves on old unattractive guys who have plenty of money to press into their greedy little hands.

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  134. @Truth
    So you'd be OK with your friend doing it to your high school daughter?

    You liberals are destroying this country, Bro.

    Rest assured that if your friend is banging your 15 year-old daughter, he’s not the only one.

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    Well I'm glad you'd be so flip about it, Alan Alda.
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  135. @Truth
    So you'd be OK with your friend doing it to your high school daughter?

    You liberals are destroying this country, Bro.

    Women probably shouldn’t be going to high school. Definitely not college. They just drag the standards down.

    The more girls in a college, the lower the average IQ of its students
    randalolson.com/2014/06/25/average-iq-of-students-by-college-major-and-gender-ratio/

    What do you mean by “doing it?”

    Getting married to a successful man who asks for her hand in marriage and and they raise a family? Sure.

    Having casual sex with a midwit like you who mistakes me for a “libhrul?” I’ve got a shotgun, lots of acres, and a backhoe. Stay away, boy, if you know what’s good for you. You’re not tall enough to ride.

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    Good, then we understand each other, if you found at that a man in his mid thirties had porked your teen daughter you would, in your words, shoot Mr. Roy Moore, kill him and bury him. So I would assume that you don't reserve this right strictly for yourself, that the young lady's father would have the right to do the same to Mr. Moore. And if that's the case, all this, "oh they're just boys being boys" stuff is bullshit, because she was somebody's daughter.
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  136. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama
    Appreciate the kind words, Robin. I share your disdain for Charlie Rose. They start typically as principled and eager young reporters; fame and wealth do the rest.

    It is painful to witness the self-serving commentary from ageing men in need of stiffer backbones [and other parts, possibly]. I wonder if they'd feel quite so outraged at Beverly Nelson, had it been, instead, their own 14-year old child getting porked by a 35-year old man ensconced in a position of power?

    Talha correctly observed that Will Durant married Ariel when she was only 15 and his former student. The question of “inappropriate” age (and apparently the “age of consent” is not even consistent throughout US) is today being mingled with sexual harassment. Someone posed the question, will the tsunami of revelations about sexual misconduct – including butt-grabbing and suggestive remarks – so desensitize people that it blunts their reaction when more serious crimes emerge? Because there are rumors of horrific pedophilia, along with human and child trafficking.

    The word child is routinely abused. Your mom may consider you her child forever, but technically you stopped being one at puberty. Maybe there’s some fuzziness in the years they call tweens, but by 16 plenty of physically mature girls are lying about their age to get into bars, and trying to pick up college boys. These kids might be immature, (maybe Ariel Kaufman was not, who knows), but they’re not children.

    Confession: I don’t follow this stuff, don’t know who Beverly Nelson is. My concern is that, if some are accusing Moore of having tried to date children, it will cloud understanding of much more perverted crimes. Sorry, this is a big topic and I’ve just scratched the surface. I really like Talha’s comment #130 about children — humans aren’t born intuitive angels, they have to be taught.

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    Hi Robin,
    I take a simple position. The last one hundred years have witnessed human ascendancy at a rate not experienced in the previous history of human evolution. Technological advancement has greatly increased life expectancy so that children may remain as children, unprepared to raise their own young when they come of biological age.

    So, we know that it is harmful on average, for a fourteen-year-old to get pregnant and bear offspring. There are exceptions, but exceptions do not motivate the law. Nor should antiquated legacy laws in any state or nations be permitted to guide the actions of those who would use them to their own advantage and very likely ruin the future for many young girls.

    I am familiar with the arguments Talha and others have made, but there simply isn't any room for manoeuvering around an issue which lies at the core of much of western enlightenment.

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  137. Realist says:
    @Truth
    He can sue. Probably won't because she's probably telling the truth. There's the smoking gun.

    You’re dreaming up shit. She can’t prove it particularly after all these decades.

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    Has he sued yet?

    Ok then.
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  138. @Talha
    Hey C&D,

    anything that a virtuous person does is virtuous
     
    I believe that was Nietzsche's view also of the "superman" - the one who is above it all; the one that is the author of ethics and morals.

    Where this philosophy falls apart is: who gets to decide what is the greater good?
     
    Indeed.

    that humans are inherently good and born with the sense of what is right or wrong, but cultures and societal conditioning dulls those intuitive senses
     
    This is quite interesting. Having raised four children myself, I would say there are certain very beautiful aspects of children and their innate nature. And somethings which are absolutely psychopathic. You have to teach them to be kind, to share, etc. They are very selfish and greedy at the beginning and their animal-self/ego has to be trained.

    I've read a few articles on child soldiers; they can often be the most sadistic and capable of the worst atrocities because their moral compass has not yet been attuned. So circumstances and environment can affect a person each way.

    I presume that someone as you, who believes that an omnipotent deity created humans, imbibed that sense into humans.
     
    Correct:
    "And by the soul and He who proportioned it. And inspired it to understand its wickedness and its righteousness." (91:7-8)

    because of intuitive consensus on what is good
     
    This is where I have difficulty. For instance - go back 200 years, most everyone in the West thought fornication was immoral - now this is a minority opinion. Societies like Britain had no problem drawing and quartering a criminal in full public view - people brought their families to watch (there are even photographs of kids attending lynchings). Can moral principles change? If not - when exactly do they get written in stone? By who? If they change, isn't this the Left-liberal approach*? Our assumed moral principles might simply be the butt of tomorrow's jokes.

    Peace.

    *I've debated liberals on certain things and have not heard sound arguments for most of their claims - one basically resorted to "But it's 2017!"

    Good points all.

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    And thank you for the pleasant exchange and giving my mind an intellectual jog. Much appreciated.

    Peace.
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  139. Talha says:
    @Cloak And Dagger
    Good points all.

    And thank you for the pleasant exchange and giving my mind an intellectual jog. Much appreciated.

    Peace.

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  140. pogohere says: • Website
    @Brabantian
    Even arch-feminist Gloria Steinem, commenting in the 1990s during the accusations involving US President Bill Clinton, Steinem said that, in general, men had a privilege of 'one free grope' of a woman, so long as the man afterwards respected a 'No, no more' clear statement.

    The background idea of Steinem's 'One Free Grope' rule, is that men need a little slack because they are generally stupid regarding women's signals, plus the fact that women often are thrilled by bold action from a man in whom they are interested, to the point of preferring the 'take me & grab me' approach (of course by the *right* guy only!), versus the cuck-asking-for-permission route - which is in reality often a turn-off for many women, despite feminist claims.
    --
    Given Israel Shamir's obvious wit and scepticism about other matters, it's odd that Shamir still promotes above, the bloke who all major nations know is a known faker & CIA & Israeli Mossad agent, the 'not really living in the Ecuador Embassy' Rothschild-lawyered Julian Assange - admitted to be fake by both Bibi Netanyahu himself, & Zbigniew Brzezinski, his leaks all 'selected' by the CIA & Mossad, as Netanyahu & Brzezinski informed us.

    Note that Assange & Snowden have left a trail of real dissidents jailed or dead after trusting these fake 'leakers' & their media pumpers such as Glenn Greenwald (jailed: Reality Leigh Winner, Lauri Love; dead: Seth Rich, Peter W Smith). We may never know how many other real dissidents were identified / silenced / killed after being duped into contacting Assange / Snowden / Greenwald.

    The Swedish fake 'rape charges' against Assange, were apparently dropped after Trump's White House team learned that Assange and also 'Edward Snowden', were both CIA frauds developed during the Obama era.

    Proofs that Snowden & Assange are fake, are manifold & incontrovertible. E.g., per the 'official story' sold to us, Snowden first 'leaked' his nothing-new 'revelations', to Dick Cheney's friend & biographer at the Washington Post, ha! Both Snowden & Assange fully prove themselves to be CIA agents, by the way they ignore the dossier on the bribe-taking USA federal judges in Virginia, who are the very judges who would be putting these fakers 'on trial' if they were genuine. But Snowden & Assange work to suppress the files that would easily and totally block their own extradition to the USA, if they really feared such a thing.

    We just learned recently, Assange had set up the US President's son, Donald Trump Jr, to be criminally prosecuted .. Assange & Wikileaks recommended that young Trump violate the US federal CFAA law, the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act, which makes it a crime to attempt to log-in to a website using a stolen or guessed password. Assange 'set up' young Trump for a fall.

    It is clearly a laughable fairy tale that Assange has been 'living in a closet at the Ecuador Embassy in London' for most of the last decade, as noted in a recent article. It is an open joke amongst European diplomats that the public believes Assange is living there ... the UK police 'watch' the embassy so they can move him in & out for meetings with Israel Shamir & other 'admirers', the Ecuadorians apparently getting some dosh to play along. Assange aided by his Rothschild lawyers, apparently actually lives at a UK country home of a Rothschild friend. And with the Swedish charges 'dropped', why is he still allegedly 'living at the embassy' (ha-ha)? Does Shamir actually believe these absurd stories about his lying 'friend' Assange, having gone ga-ga over this faker 'celebrity', or is Shamir doing Mossad a favour here?

    What is Going On with Wikileaks? Assange MIA, MacFadyen Dead and the CIA Honeypot Trying to Tank the Clinton Campaign? What Gives?

    10-23-16

    I’ve been asked on several occasions about what I think is going on with Wikileaks and all these document dumps they are releasing trying to derail the Hillary train, at least in terms of appearances, when in fact we all know that Wikileaks is a CIA honeypot designed to:

    1. aid various regime change propaganda as needed by influencing the more left-wing of the alternative media outlets

    2. serve as a black hole for real leaks from real whistle-blowers when they make the mistake of trusting Wikileaks and sending something to them

    Wikileaks was established in 2006 at a time when real whistle-blowers like William Binney, Russ Tice, Mark Klein (Room 641A ) and a few others were starting to make things really difficult for our glorious leaders who had a totally different world in mind for us to live in. You may also recall in 2004 the story of Abu Ghraib broke complete with leaked photos depicting horrific torture being conducted by our troops who were running the detention center.

    So in 2006 something needed to be done in order to keep real whistle-blowers from getting their stories on the front pages of every news paper and website in the country and thus, Wikileaks was born. The idea of a honeypot was hatched.

    [MORE]

    http://tinyurl.com/j4ag7r8

    Wikileaks: a big dangerous US Government Con Job

    by F. William Engdahl

    12-10-10

    The story on the surface makes for a script for a new Oliver Stone Hollywood thriller. However, a closer look at the details of what has so far been carefully leaked by the most ultra-establishment of international media such as the New York Times reveals a clear agenda. That agenda coincidentally serves to buttress that of US geopolitics around the world from Iran to North Korea. The Wikileaks is a big and dangerous US intelligence Con Job which will likely be used to police the Internet.

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article167733.html

    Who is Behind Wikileaks?

    Originally published in December 2010

    “World bankers, by pulling a few simple levers that control the flow of money, can make or break entire economies. By controlling press releases of economic strategies that shape national trends, the power elite are able to not only tighten their stranglehold on this nation’s economic structure, but can extend that control world wide. Those possessing such power would logically want to remain in the background, invisible to the average citizen.” (Aldous Huxley)

    Wikleaks is upheld as a breakthrough in the battle against media disinformation and the lies of the US government.

    Unquestionably, the released documents constitute an important and valuable data bank. The documents have been used by critical researchers since the outset of the Wikileaks project. Wikileaks earlier revelations have focussed on US war crimes in Afghanistan (July 2010) as well as issues pertaining to civil liberties and the “militarization of the Homeland” (see Tom Burghardt, Militarizing the “Homeland” in Response to the Economic and Political Crisis, Global Research, October 11, 2008)

    In October 2010, WikiLeaks was reported to have released some 400,000 classified Iraq war documents, covering events from 2004 to 2009 (Tom Burghardt, The WikiLeaks Release: U.S. Complicity and Cover-Up of Iraq Torture Exposed, Global Research, October 24, 2010). These revelations contained in the Wikileaks Iraq War Logs provide “further evidence of the Pentagon’s role in the systematic torture of Iraqi citizens by the U.S.-installed post-Saddam regime.” (Ibid)
    . . .
    From the outset, Wikileaks’ geopolitical focus on “oppressive regimes” in Eurasia and the Middle East was “appealing” to America’s elites, i.e. it seemingly matched stated US foreign policy objectives. Moreover, the composition of the Wikileaks team (which included Chinese dissidents), not to mention the methodology of “exposing secrets” of foreign governments, were in tune with the practices of US covert operations geared towards triggering “regime change” and fostering “color revolutions” in different parts of the World.

    The Role of the Corporate Media: The Central Role of the New York Times

    Wikileaks is not a typical alternative media initiative. The New York Times, the Guardian and Der Spiegel are directly involved in the editing and selection of leaked documents. The London Economist has also played an important role.

    While the project and its editor Julian Assange reveal a commitment and concern for truth in media, the recent Wikileaks releases of embassy cables have been carefully “redacted” by the mainstream media in liaison with the US government. (See Interview with David E. Sanger, Fresh Air, PBS, December 8, 2010)

    This collaboration between Wikileaks and selected mainstream media is not fortuitous; it was part of an agreement between several major US and European newspapers and Wikileaks’ editor Julian Assange.

    The important question is who controls and oversees the selection, distribution and editing of released documents to the broader public?

    What US foreign policy objectives are being served through this redacting process?

    Is Wikileaks part of an awakening of public opinion, of a battle against the lies and fabrications which appear daily in the print media and on network TV?

    If so, how can this battle against media disinformation be waged with the participation and collaboration of the corporate architects of media disinformation?

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-is-behind-wikileaks-2/22389

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  141. @Jim Christian
    Feminist tempest in a Jewish teapot writ large. Consider it a new holocaust. All this happens to the 1%, almost all of it to happening to smarmy American Jews and so WTF do I care down here at the grass roots what happens to politicians and entertainers and celebrities? They hate me anyway. Like the article sez, no one is coming after MY plain old money. But if I had gained fame and extreme fortune, I can think of many that were pissed off I didn't call back that would claim lots of things 30 years later. And fact of the matter is, if these liars (and 99% of them ARE liars) got their asses kicked for their lies by those they lie about as they would at the grass roots, we wouldn't have these issues. I guess all these Jews forgot how to kick ass.

    But overall? I love the churn. It's almost like the abortion thing. I'm pro-life, but I also consider that it's only pro-choice feminists that get them. They destroy their own spawn, a good thing overall. Same-same with this. As I said, feminists and Jewey-Jewey wannabe Israeli assholes in Hollywood, academia and politics that hate me anyway are ugly old fools with ugly wives that want some pussy, most of them are pussy-deprived nerds that couldn't get pussy on a one-to-one basis but thought they could find their way in with their wealth, fame or power. It worked for decades, and chicks would give them that pussy if there was something in it for them. Chicks being chicks, whatever they got then, they recently discovered there's something in it for them now, sympathy, money, attention and so here we are. The Jews from the Archie Bunker set, the Lears, Carl and Rob Riener and the whole collection of them out there and in NYC deliberately invented and pushed their feminist/racist narrative against White men. They invented new battles to get us fighting with one another so they could commence their theft of our values and morals and command over banks and media and corporations. Soros the Jew invented #blm for just this very reason. Think he raped a few? Over there he probably just killed his shiksas. That we're finally recognizing the effects must be a real shock. Even Larry David, Jew that HE is, and also a destructive one, noticed.

    When we consider the rape these Jews inflicted here in the United States after all, the rapes of women were the least of the damage. That's already done. Nice to see a few of them having to face their own music, the narrative THEY wrote for the rest of us, never considering it might apply to them. They remind me of Bill Clinton, who wrote a host, a raft FULL of regulations as regards relations between men in power and their female underlings. He invented Sexual Harassment as a legislative and civil litigation industry for the lawyers but he did so without a notion that he was subject to it. As Jews in media built the Rape Culture Hysteria, they never dreamed it would be THEY that were falsely accused, hectored, sued, run out of business or office. And so, once again, I don't see the trouble, I only see features to this, real benefits. 2% of the population provides 50% of our legislators. The rapey Jews up there like Franken and his ilk have to go. But meanwhile, let the show go on. As I said, it has nothing to do with me or my women.

    Even arch-feminist Gloria Steinem, commenting in the 1990s during the accusations involving US President Bill Clinton, Steinem said that, in general, men had a privilege of ‘one free grope’ of a woman, so long as the man afterwards respected a ‘No, no more’ clear statement.

    Is there a time duration or interval constraint on this “one free grope of a woman”, or can a man in a crowded train sequentially grope each woman once until receiving an approving response? The local constabulary may have something to say about such behavior, however. One should be forgiven for observing that Ms. Steinem may have been motivated by a deficit of gropes…

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    Pardon the reductio ad absurdum. Just the champagne before the holiday weekend silly talk...
    , @Rosamond Vincy
    She was considered very attractive in her heyday. Remember, she became Playboy Bunny as research for an article
    Of course, she may be lacking in RECENT gropes....
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  142. @Cloak And Dagger

    Even arch-feminist Gloria Steinem, commenting in the 1990s during the accusations involving US President Bill Clinton, Steinem said that, in general, men had a privilege of ‘one free grope’ of a woman, so long as the man afterwards respected a ‘No, no more’ clear statement.
     
    Is there a time duration or interval constraint on this "one free grope of a woman", or can a man in a crowded train sequentially grope each woman once until receiving an approving response? The local constabulary may have something to say about such behavior, however. One should be forgiven for observing that Ms. Steinem may have been motivated by a deficit of gropes...

    Pardon the reductio ad absurdum. Just the champagne before the holiday weekend silly talk…

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    Gloria Steinem was actually fairly pretty when she was younger.
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    @Cloak And Dagger
    Pardon the reductio ad absurdum. Just the champagne before the holiday weekend silly talk...

    Gloria Steinem was actually fairly pretty when she was younger.

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    Even arch-feminist Gloria Steinem, commenting in the 1990s during the accusations involving US President Bill Clinton, Steinem said that, in general, men had a privilege of ‘one free grope’ of a woman, so long as the man afterwards respected a ‘No, no more’ clear statement.
     
    Is there a time duration or interval constraint on this "one free grope of a woman", or can a man in a crowded train sequentially grope each woman once until receiving an approving response? The local constabulary may have something to say about such behavior, however. One should be forgiven for observing that Ms. Steinem may have been motivated by a deficit of gropes...

    She was considered very attractive in her heyday. Remember, she became Playboy Bunny as research for an article
    Of course, she may be lacking in RECENT gropes….

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  145. Truth says:
    @Carroll Price
    Rest assured that if your friend is banging your 15 year-old daughter, he's not the only one.

    Well I’m glad you’d be so flip about it, Alan Alda.

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  146. Truth says:
    @Hank Rearden
    Women probably shouldn't be going to high school. Definitely not college. They just drag the standards down.

    The more girls in a college, the lower the average IQ of its students
    randalolson.com/2014/06/25/average-iq-of-students-by-college-major-and-gender-ratio/

     

    What do you mean by "doing it?"

    Getting married to a successful man who asks for her hand in marriage and and they raise a family? Sure.

    Having casual sex with a midwit like you who mistakes me for a "libhrul?" I've got a shotgun, lots of acres, and a backhoe. Stay away, boy, if you know what's good for you. You're not tall enough to ride.

    Good, then we understand each other, if you found at that a man in his mid thirties had porked your teen daughter you would, in your words, shoot Mr. Roy Moore, kill him and bury him. So I would assume that you don’t reserve this right strictly for yourself, that the young lady’s father would have the right to do the same to Mr. Moore. And if that’s the case, all this, “oh they’re just boys being boys” stuff is bullshit, because she was somebody’s daughter.

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    We don't understand each other. You mistakenly think "porking" is equivalent to marriage.

    Learn the difference.
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    @Realist
    You're dreaming up shit. She can't prove it particularly after all these decades.

    Has he sued yet?

    Ok then.

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  148. @Jim Christian
    The root of it all is, women have to monetize their beauty, one way or another. If they have no beauty, they have to monetize their skills, as do men, but they get pissed off at that. And so was invented, feminism, the ideology by which ugly fucking women brutalize men for not asking them to the prom, to the alter for marriage. And we, men, especially Jewish men, allowed feminists that power, the Jews for their own purposes. And here we are, a hassled by a weak, whiny collection of women that didn't get their asking price, TBD thirty years later. And instead of telling them to fuck OFF, which we could do with ZERO consequence, we allow them to tyrannize us.

    Actually, they make me wish I could be around for the coming brutal Hispanic and Muslim Patriarchies, which will in fact, tell them to fuck off, quite without consequence. Women's rights were one thing. This shit here needs to end. And one way or the other, it will.

    This shit started when those “sinister Levites” (Douglas Reed’s word for them) decided that their “Yahweh” was to be the one and only god and they deprived him of his wife whose name was Asherah – Mother Nature. At the same time they decided to instil fear and hatred of the neighbours in their pathetic little flock telling them that they must not befriend any of the neighbours – “because they hate you and all of mankind hates you.”
    That was the beginning of the domination of the Thinking Mind and the denigration of the Feminine Mind called Feeling.
    THAT is why we are ruled more and more by machines and technology – and women have been masculinized and Mother Nature and Feeling has been denigrated – and women are no longer women – and the only ones we hear about – endlessly – are the ugly, brutish masculinised *women” who actually murder their own babies in their wombs.
    No real woman would be able to do such a brutish thing.
    It IS “women’s lib” which has destroyed Western Civilisation and Christianity – and it was created by the CIA and several Jewesses!
    Of course, at around the same time as the Jews were destroying Asherah there was Socrates – a homosexual – promoting what he thought of as “logic” (It really is not logical at all to believe in only the material World – but he did. That is another expression of the Thinking Mind.
    It has taken this long – but a new age is dawning and please God we do not continue on with the destruction of Mother Nature and the Earth. It is the way things work – they become increasingly unbalanced – until a New AGE dawns
    So, we are unbalanced because the Masculine Mind f Thinking or “logic” has become so clever at inventing machines – which are killing us!
    Read “Technology Rising”. by Patrick Wood. It makes one’s hair stand on end with sheer terror. Unless we bring back a real love and feeling for Mother Nature and the Earth we are doomed to real Horror.
    Why are Jewish women so dominating and Jewish men so weak?
    Why is it that Jewish women teach their children that all the rest of mankind hates them? How can a real woman do this to her own child?
    Anyway – !They took her and smashed her and burnt her and ground her fine to powder and threw her in the River Hebron,”
    That is what they did to the symbols of The Asherah – such as The Tree of Life.
    The language sounds as if they had an intense hatred for Asherah – or Mother Nature.

    I hope it makes sense to some people out there. Read Jung and his description of the different aspects of Mind. Thinking and Feeling are opposite – very opposite unless and until one grows up and becomes w hole human being.

    Anyway – it surely does explain what is going on and it explains why the Jews are so sick – and they really are! It would be so good for us all – especially them – if they would just learn to be human – and if they would just learn what is right and what is wrong, what is good and what is bad and what is true and what is false!
    They need desperately tolearn that it is they who are sick, not all the rest of mankind!

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  149. TheBoom says:
    @üeljang
    East Asian women (generally) do not have "feminine looks." They are closer to African women than to White women in regards to the spectrum of physiological masculinity-femininity.

    What East Asian women (generally) do exhibit is a cooperative attitude, willingness to defer to a social superior when the superior's opinion conflicts with hers, and energy (they tend to be much less whiny and lazy than White women). However, they also tend to be very intelligent, which I normally would consider to be a masculine psychological characteristic, and also very good at dissembling, so it is possible that their apparently demure attitude may be a deceptive pretense. (Personally, I would say it is most likely a deceptive pretense in most cases judging from my observation of the behavior of East Asian females in contexts where they are not trying to attract, please, or appease a male.)

    Nonsense re: East Asian women not having feminine looks. I live in Eastern Asia and have lived in three countries here. All the white men I know here are struck by how Eastern Asian women are more feminine and take better care of themselves.

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  150. TheBoom says:
    @Carroll Price
    Due to it's wide abuse and misuse, the word rape has become virtually meaningless. I visualize a day in the near future when making eye contact with strident feminist results in accusations of rape.

    Feminists already talk about “eye rape.” I don’t believe that it has been criminalized yet though.

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    If thought can be criminalized (as it currently is) criminalizing "uninvited" eye contact is easy. Just you wait.
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  151. TheBoom says:

    Jewish women invented modern feminism in large part to undermine white societies and it has been wildly successful at achieving goals of driving down birthrates, increasing conflict between men and women, fracturing families, etc. This has worked out well for the elite especially since cat ladies, young and old, support massive immigration and tend to look towards the government to play the role of husband. Women’s happiness peaked in the 1950′s and has really plummeted in the last two decades with many young ones on mood altering drugs. But female happiness was never the goal of feminism. The more miserable they are the more useful so enough are for the (((elite))). Given that, it is nice that feminism is coming back to bite the elite and that Israel is becoming toxic for men.

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    Feminists already talk about "eye rape." I don't believe that it has been criminalized yet though.

    If thought can be criminalized (as it currently is) criminalizing “uninvited” eye contact is easy. Just you wait.

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  153. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG
    Talha correctly observed that Will Durant married Ariel when she was only 15 and his former student. The question of "inappropriate" age (and apparently the "age of consent" is not even consistent throughout US) is today being mingled with sexual harassment. Someone posed the question, will the tsunami of revelations about sexual misconduct - including butt-grabbing and suggestive remarks - so desensitize people that it blunts their reaction when more serious crimes emerge? Because there are rumors of horrific pedophilia, along with human and child trafficking.

    The word child is routinely abused. Your mom may consider you her child forever, but technically you stopped being one at puberty. Maybe there's some fuzziness in the years they call tweens, but by 16 plenty of physically mature girls are lying about their age to get into bars, and trying to pick up college boys. These kids might be immature, (maybe Ariel Kaufman was not, who knows), but they're not children.

    Confession: I don't follow this stuff, don't know who Beverly Nelson is. My concern is that, if some are accusing Moore of having tried to date children, it will cloud understanding of much more perverted crimes. Sorry, this is a big topic and I've just scratched the surface. I really like Talha's comment #130 about children -- humans aren't born intuitive angels, they have to be taught.

    Hi Robin,
    I take a simple position. The last one hundred years have witnessed human ascendancy at a rate not experienced in the previous history of human evolution. Technological advancement has greatly increased life expectancy so that children may remain as children, unprepared to raise their own young when they come of biological age.

    So, we know that it is harmful on average, for a fourteen-year-old to get pregnant and bear offspring. There are exceptions, but exceptions do not motivate the law. Nor should antiquated legacy laws in any state or nations be permitted to guide the actions of those who would use them to their own advantage and very likely ruin the future for many young girls.

    I am familiar with the arguments Talha and others have made, but there simply isn’t any room for manoeuvering around an issue which lies at the core of much of western enlightenment.

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    Hey Sam,

    I wasn't making a recommendation for Western society. I was asked a question pertaining to certain societies that should be considered pre-modern environments. Specifically (it seemed to me) the morality of marrying off young women. I do not recommend this in Western societies. Frankly, I don't know what I recommend in Western societies because I don't understand what it is they want or if they feel they've arrived or if they are still trying to get there. Like you, I come from a tradition where adulthood in the Eye's of God are arrived at by its witness born through nature. I've treated my daughter like an adult since menarche - I expect her to be responsible for her actions.

    I read really strange things like this:
    "New guidance for psychologists will acknowledge that adolescence now effectively runs up until the age of 25 for the purposes of treating young people."
    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24173194

    When does this end exactly? Should we again raise the age of consent until 25?

    Adolescence is a concept that was manufactured, purposefully, the evidence is all there:
    https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/02/23/the-invention-of-adolescence/

    A former teacher of mine recommended this book "The Case Against Adolescence" - though I have not read it, a great review is here:
    "In his book, Democracy: The God that Failed, Hans Hoppe argues that democracy and government have made people less farsighted and not as concerned with providing for ever-more-distant goals. Thus, society is tending toward decivilization. As Hoppe describes, adults are being turned into children....Epstein argues effectively that American culture collaborates in artificially extending childhood through public schooling and labor laws. In most of human history, young people worked side by side with adults from their early teens with young women becoming wives and mothers. Early on, he fingers the labor unions as the culprits behind child labor laws."
    https://mises.org/library/book-review-case-against-adolescence

    Is artificially blurring the lines between childhood and adulthood any different than what's happening with gender? Are there biological rules in nature or not - or is everything fluid? My daughter came home and told me about a Filipino boy who asks to be called "they" because he is gender-fluid - no girl parts at all - just doesn't want to be called a boy.

    Just some things to think about.

    I friend of mine went to study in Yemen - and if I remember correctly, he reported seeing a young man (14 or 13) who ran his own little shop and was married to a young lady one or two years younger than him. There are 30 year olds that are playing video games in their parents' basement - I know because my co-workers have asked me for advice about motivating them. Who is the adult in this situation?

    Peace.

    Note: "Nor should antiquated legacy laws in any state or nations be permitted to guide the actions of those who would use them to their own advantage and very likely ruin the future for many young girls." I don't know if you intended this, but it really sounds like White Man's Burden stuff. If the Nomadic Tuareg want to continue their ancient ways of traversing the Sahara and don't feel like being dragged kicking and screaming into post-modernity and strip malls, what difference does it make to us? Why is "young mother" considered a pejorative?

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    When oh when will Deborah Lipstadt #MeToo

    Surely it’s happened.

    Dogs hump fire hydrants.

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  155. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama
    Hi Robin,
    I take a simple position. The last one hundred years have witnessed human ascendancy at a rate not experienced in the previous history of human evolution. Technological advancement has greatly increased life expectancy so that children may remain as children, unprepared to raise their own young when they come of biological age.

    So, we know that it is harmful on average, for a fourteen-year-old to get pregnant and bear offspring. There are exceptions, but exceptions do not motivate the law. Nor should antiquated legacy laws in any state or nations be permitted to guide the actions of those who would use them to their own advantage and very likely ruin the future for many young girls.

    I am familiar with the arguments Talha and others have made, but there simply isn't any room for manoeuvering around an issue which lies at the core of much of western enlightenment.

    Hey Sam,

    I wasn’t making a recommendation for Western society. I was asked a question pertaining to certain societies that should be considered pre-modern environments. Specifically (it seemed to me) the morality of marrying off young women. I do not recommend this in Western societies. Frankly, I don’t know what I recommend in Western societies because I don’t understand what it is they want or if they feel they’ve arrived or if they are still trying to get there. Like you, I come from a tradition where adulthood in the Eye’s of God are arrived at by its witness born through nature. I’ve treated my daughter like an adult since menarche – I expect her to be responsible for her actions.

    I read really strange things like this:
    “New guidance for psychologists will acknowledge that adolescence now effectively runs up until the age of 25 for the purposes of treating young people.”

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24173194

    When does this end exactly? Should we again raise the age of consent until 25?

    Adolescence is a concept that was manufactured, purposefully, the evidence is all there:

    https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2011/02/23/the-invention-of-adolescence/

    A former teacher of mine recommended this book “The Case Against Adolescence” – though I have not read it, a great review is here:
    “In his book, Democracy: The God that Failed, Hans Hoppe argues that democracy and government have made people less farsighted and not as concerned with providing for ever-more-distant goals. Thus, society is tending toward decivilization. As Hoppe describes, adults are being turned into children….Epstein argues effectively that American culture collaborates in artificially extending childhood through public schooling and labor laws. In most of human history, young people worked side by side with adults from their early teens with young women becoming wives and mothers. Early on, he fingers the labor unions as the culprits behind child labor laws.”

    https://mises.org/library/book-review-case-against-adolescence

    Is artificially blurring the lines between childhood and adulthood any different than what’s happening with gender? Are there biological rules in nature or not – or is everything fluid? My daughter came home and told me about a Filipino boy who asks to be called “they” because he is gender-fluid – no girl parts at all – just doesn’t want to be called a boy.

    Just some things to think about.

    I friend of mine went to study in Yemen – and if I remember correctly, he reported seeing a young man (14 or 13) who ran his own little shop and was married to a young lady one or two years younger than him. There are 30 year olds that are playing video games in their parents’ basement – I know because my co-workers have asked me for advice about motivating them. Who is the adult in this situation?

    Peace.

    Note: “Nor should antiquated legacy laws in any state or nations be permitted to guide the actions of those who would use them to their own advantage and very likely ruin the future for many young girls.” I don’t know if you intended this, but it really sounds like White Man’s Burden stuff. If the Nomadic Tuareg want to continue their ancient ways of traversing the Sahara and don’t feel like being dragged kicking and screaming into post-modernity and strip malls, what difference does it make to us? Why is “young mother” considered a pejorative?

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  157. @Truth
    Good, then we understand each other, if you found at that a man in his mid thirties had porked your teen daughter you would, in your words, shoot Mr. Roy Moore, kill him and bury him. So I would assume that you don't reserve this right strictly for yourself, that the young lady's father would have the right to do the same to Mr. Moore. And if that's the case, all this, "oh they're just boys being boys" stuff is bullshit, because she was somebody's daughter.

    We don’t understand each other. You mistakenly think “porking” is equivalent to marriage.

    Learn the difference.

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    Moore didn't MARRY this broad. If he did, why would she be starting this whole thing? It ain't that complicated for my 85IQ why are you struggling so hard?

    He porked and dumped a girl who was in the 10th grade. If a 35 year old did that to your daughter, what would you do? It's not a medical bar exam question.
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  158. Truth says:
    @Hank Rearden
    We don't understand each other. You mistakenly think "porking" is equivalent to marriage.

    Learn the difference.

    Moore didn’t MARRY this broad. If he did, why would she be starting this whole thing? It ain’t that complicated for my 85IQ why are you struggling so hard?

    He porked and dumped a girl who was in the 10th grade. If a 35 year old did that to your daughter, what would you do? It’s not a medical bar exam question.

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  159. @ Truth: Moore didn’t “pork” her either. He wasn’t looking for casual sex. He was looking for a wife to marry. Stop lying about the man.

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    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roy-moore-high-school-cheerleaders_us_5a1586e8e4b025f8e932c45f

    You only need one to marry.
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  160. Talha says:

    This is why pork is haram.

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    LOL. I agree.

    I was going to write a lengthy post on the portion of my previous entry on which you remarked with particular emphasis in #155. Not sure why I decided against it then, but here it is; a gist anyway. I had met sociologist Louise Brown some time ago, and she gifted me a copy of her book 'Dancing Girls of Lahore' which stirred some images of old sheiks from the Arab world taking full advantage of adolescent girls in Lahore. Give the book a read, and you'll see what I mean.

    https://www.amazon.com/Dancing-Girls-Lahore-Pakistans-Pleasure/dp/0060740434/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511644822&sr=8-1&keywords=louis+brown+dancing+girls

    Also, recently, I've been involved in sponsoring an organisation which fights child prostitution in the U.S. where some behaviours I've been informed of, are simply beyond the pale, as well as instances of seemingly normal state of affairs which prevail in arrangements where the poor girls are entrapped in a world entirely separated from the one in which the rest of us inhabit. Bit of a background and reasons for my thoughts upthread.

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  162. Truth says:
    @Hank Rearden
    @ Truth: Moore didn't "pork" her either. He wasn't looking for casual sex. He was looking for a wife to marry. Stop lying about the man.
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    He might have been rooting for Team Polygyny.

    Peace.
    , @Hank Rearden
    Huffpo? *snort*
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  163. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha
    This is why pork is haram.

    LOL. I agree.

    I was going to write a lengthy post on the portion of my previous entry on which you remarked with particular emphasis in #155. Not sure why I decided against it then, but here it is; a gist anyway. I had met sociologist Louise Brown some time ago, and she gifted me a copy of her book ‘Dancing Girls of Lahore’ which stirred some images of old sheiks from the Arab world taking full advantage of adolescent girls in Lahore. Give the book a read, and you’ll see what I mean.

    https://www.amazon.com/Dancing-Girls-Lahore-Pakistans-Pleasure/dp/0060740434/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511644822&sr=8-1&keywords=louis+brown+dancing+girls

    Also, recently, I’ve been involved in sponsoring an organisation which fights child prostitution in the U.S. where some behaviours I’ve been informed of, are simply beyond the pale, as well as instances of seemingly normal state of affairs which prevail in arrangements where the poor girls are entrapped in a world entirely separated from the one in which the rest of us inhabit. Bit of a background and reasons for my thoughts upthread.

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    ...I’ve been involved in sponsoring an organisation which fights child prostitution....
     
    Much appreciated, TY Sam. Related to that, are you familiar with the pedophilia commission of the International Tribunal for Natural Justice? (Some friends are involved with that.)
    ITNJ Judicial Commission of Inquiry into Human Trafficking and Child Sex Abuse
    https://www.itnj.org/

    Also, there's a book - yet to be published, but apparently chapters are available on kindle. Pedophilia & Empire: Satan, Sodomy, & The Deep State
    Chapter 1: Introduction to Pedophilia - The Mental Disorder and the Child Sex Abuse Crime
    https://www.amazon.com/Pedophilia-Empire-Chapter-Introduction-Disorder-ebook/dp/B0773QHGPT

    , @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    Ah, the famous Heera Mandi district. If it were up to me, that entire place would have been shut down a long time ago:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMx-Lv_eZ3s

    I'm definitely not supporting anything like this; prostitution of adults or young women on the brink of adulthood. The entire thing is just so filthy - it is like you said, a dirty world that is just so off of the radar of most of us.

    No, I was talking about marriage in a respectable, public manner and with full consent of the young woman (like the young Yemeni couple I cited). My own grandfather lost his first wife early on and married my grandmother when she was 15 and he was 30 - this was British Raj India. Again, not advocating this for the West, but it is something quite common in rural areas of the Muslim world where the environment hasn't much moved from how it was in the 10th century. I remember an economist had estimated that the average lifespan was 35 years during Abbasid times in their area of control (this was actually higher than most places in the world at the time). Completely different conceptual world - one would have been insane to advocate for a minimum age of marriage anywhere near 18.


    I’ve been involved in sponsoring an organisation which fights child prostitution in the U.S.
     
    Good stuff - that nonsense makes my stomach turn. If you have a link to the organization - assuming they have a website - it'd be great if you could post it, I'd like to contribute something (others may as well).

    Peace.

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  164. Talha says:
    @Truth
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roy-moore-high-school-cheerleaders_us_5a1586e8e4b025f8e932c45f

    You only need one to marry.

    He might have been rooting for Team Polygyny.

    Peace.

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  165. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama
    LOL. I agree.

    I was going to write a lengthy post on the portion of my previous entry on which you remarked with particular emphasis in #155. Not sure why I decided against it then, but here it is; a gist anyway. I had met sociologist Louise Brown some time ago, and she gifted me a copy of her book 'Dancing Girls of Lahore' which stirred some images of old sheiks from the Arab world taking full advantage of adolescent girls in Lahore. Give the book a read, and you'll see what I mean.

    https://www.amazon.com/Dancing-Girls-Lahore-Pakistans-Pleasure/dp/0060740434/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511644822&sr=8-1&keywords=louis+brown+dancing+girls

    Also, recently, I've been involved in sponsoring an organisation which fights child prostitution in the U.S. where some behaviours I've been informed of, are simply beyond the pale, as well as instances of seemingly normal state of affairs which prevail in arrangements where the poor girls are entrapped in a world entirely separated from the one in which the rest of us inhabit. Bit of a background and reasons for my thoughts upthread.

    …I’ve been involved in sponsoring an organisation which fights child prostitution….

    Much appreciated, TY Sam. Related to that, are you familiar with the pedophilia commission of the International Tribunal for Natural Justice? (Some friends are involved with that.)
    ITNJ Judicial Commission of Inquiry into Human Trafficking and Child Sex Abuse

    https://www.itnj.org/

    Also, there’s a book – yet to be published, but apparently chapters are available on kindle. Pedophilia & Empire: Satan, Sodomy, & The Deep State
    Chapter 1: Introduction to Pedophilia – The Mental Disorder and the Child Sex Abuse Crime

    https://www.amazon.com/Pedophilia-Empire-Chapter-Introduction-Disorder-ebook/dp/B0773QHGPT

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    Hi Robin and Talha,

    Good to know both of you gents care about this subject, but I had expected as much, anyway. The organisation I support is ECPATUSA [www.ecpatusa.org] through a corporate sponsorship. Dedicated bunch of people who've devoted their lives to this cause. I've learned a great deal.

    Robin, thanks for the references, I'll check them out. Political advocacy for these groups deserves more support than many others I can think of. A friend who prides herself as "the top female hacker in New York" gave me an account of the online [tor network] child pornography business. Deeply saddening stuff; wish we could identify genes which accurately predict paedophilia.

    Talha, I hear you on the matter of marriage at very young ages in rural settings and I can understand it. I approach the subject, influenced by today's rising global life expectancy where we can afford to let children be children a bit longer. Even in villages, I suppose. Not to say they shouldn't learn many important tasks and functions as an adult might. I could be wrong about this, but I feel from all I've learned, young girls in many parts of the world are married off far too early when they ought to be getting an education [Malala Yusufzai's quest]. Supporting that quest is my quest as well, call it a White Man's Burden if you will. :-)

    Best

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  166. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama
    LOL. I agree.

    I was going to write a lengthy post on the portion of my previous entry on which you remarked with particular emphasis in #155. Not sure why I decided against it then, but here it is; a gist anyway. I had met sociologist Louise Brown some time ago, and she gifted me a copy of her book 'Dancing Girls of Lahore' which stirred some images of old sheiks from the Arab world taking full advantage of adolescent girls in Lahore. Give the book a read, and you'll see what I mean.

    https://www.amazon.com/Dancing-Girls-Lahore-Pakistans-Pleasure/dp/0060740434/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1511644822&sr=8-1&keywords=louis+brown+dancing+girls

    Also, recently, I've been involved in sponsoring an organisation which fights child prostitution in the U.S. where some behaviours I've been informed of, are simply beyond the pale, as well as instances of seemingly normal state of affairs which prevail in arrangements where the poor girls are entrapped in a world entirely separated from the one in which the rest of us inhabit. Bit of a background and reasons for my thoughts upthread.

    Hey Sam,

    Ah, the famous Heera Mandi district. If it were up to me, that entire place would have been shut down a long time ago:

    I’m definitely not supporting anything like this; prostitution of adults or young women on the brink of adulthood. The entire thing is just so filthy – it is like you said, a dirty world that is just so off of the radar of most of us.

    No, I was talking about marriage in a respectable, public manner and with full consent of the young woman (like the young Yemeni couple I cited). My own grandfather lost his first wife early on and married my grandmother when she was 15 and he was 30 – this was British Raj India. Again, not advocating this for the West, but it is something quite common in rural areas of the Muslim world where the environment hasn’t much moved from how it was in the 10th century. I remember an economist had estimated that the average lifespan was 35 years during Abbasid times in their area of control (this was actually higher than most places in the world at the time). Completely different conceptual world – one would have been insane to advocate for a minimum age of marriage anywhere near 18.

    I’ve been involved in sponsoring an organisation which fights child prostitution in the U.S.

    Good stuff – that nonsense makes my stomach turn. If you have a link to the organization – assuming they have a website – it’d be great if you could post it, I’d like to contribute something (others may as well).

    Peace.

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    What you are talking about was the norm in the Renaissance: marrying a teen girl to a settled, responsible man in his 30s. It could work--as long as the girl didn't fall in love with anybody else. The problem was teen girls under pressure from their parents to marry up don't have much power to give or deny "consent"; hence, tragedies like _Romeo and Juliet_ or, in the 18th century, _Clarissa_.

    Even _Princess of Cleves_, in which the wife decides to be faithful to the husband she had married on her mother's advice without knowing what love was, implies that it would have been better to wait until she could make an informed choice.
    Yes, these are works of fiction, but look up the Pastons for real life examples. Margery caused holy hell when she married the family steward for love; at age 20, Elizabeth was locked up for weeks and beaten regularly when she balked at marrying 60-something Stephen Scrope.

    Moore always asked permission of girls' mothers, but how many of Moore's "dates" were pushed into going out with him by ambitious mothers who hoped for a marriage with an up-and-coming politician? Are they really so different from the girl in "The Godfather"?
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  167. @Talha
    Hey Sam,

    Ah, the famous Heera Mandi district. If it were up to me, that entire place would have been shut down a long time ago:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMx-Lv_eZ3s

    I'm definitely not supporting anything like this; prostitution of adults or young women on the brink of adulthood. The entire thing is just so filthy - it is like you said, a dirty world that is just so off of the radar of most of us.

    No, I was talking about marriage in a respectable, public manner and with full consent of the young woman (like the young Yemeni couple I cited). My own grandfather lost his first wife early on and married my grandmother when she was 15 and he was 30 - this was British Raj India. Again, not advocating this for the West, but it is something quite common in rural areas of the Muslim world where the environment hasn't much moved from how it was in the 10th century. I remember an economist had estimated that the average lifespan was 35 years during Abbasid times in their area of control (this was actually higher than most places in the world at the time). Completely different conceptual world - one would have been insane to advocate for a minimum age of marriage anywhere near 18.


    I’ve been involved in sponsoring an organisation which fights child prostitution in the U.S.
     
    Good stuff - that nonsense makes my stomach turn. If you have a link to the organization - assuming they have a website - it'd be great if you could post it, I'd like to contribute something (others may as well).

    Peace.

    What you are talking about was the norm in the Renaissance: marrying a teen girl to a settled, responsible man in his 30s. It could work–as long as the girl didn’t fall in love with anybody else. The problem was teen girls under pressure from their parents to marry up don’t have much power to give or deny “consent”; hence, tragedies like _Romeo and Juliet_ or, in the 18th century, _Clarissa_.

    Even _Princess of Cleves_, in which the wife decides to be faithful to the husband she had married on her mother’s advice without knowing what love was, implies that it would have been better to wait until she could make an informed choice.
    Yes, these are works of fiction, but look up the Pastons for real life examples. Margery caused holy hell when she married the family steward for love; at age 20, Elizabeth was locked up for weeks and beaten regularly when she balked at marrying 60-something Stephen Scrope.

    Moore always asked permission of girls’ mothers, but how many of Moore’s “dates” were pushed into going out with him by ambitious mothers who hoped for a marriage with an up-and-coming politician? Are they really so different from the girl in “The Godfather”?

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  168. @Truth
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roy-moore-high-school-cheerleaders_us_5a1586e8e4b025f8e932c45f

    You only need one to marry.

    Huffpo? *snort*

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  169. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG

    ...I’ve been involved in sponsoring an organisation which fights child prostitution....
     
    Much appreciated, TY Sam. Related to that, are you familiar with the pedophilia commission of the International Tribunal for Natural Justice? (Some friends are involved with that.)
    ITNJ Judicial Commission of Inquiry into Human Trafficking and Child Sex Abuse
    https://www.itnj.org/

    Also, there's a book - yet to be published, but apparently chapters are available on kindle. Pedophilia & Empire: Satan, Sodomy, & The Deep State
    Chapter 1: Introduction to Pedophilia - The Mental Disorder and the Child Sex Abuse Crime
    https://www.amazon.com/Pedophilia-Empire-Chapter-Introduction-Disorder-ebook/dp/B0773QHGPT

    Hi Robin and Talha,

    Good to know both of you gents care about this subject, but I had expected as much, anyway. The organisation I support is ECPATUSA [www.ecpatusa.org] through a corporate sponsorship. Dedicated bunch of people who’ve devoted their lives to this cause. I’ve learned a great deal.

    Robin, thanks for the references, I’ll check them out. Political advocacy for these groups deserves more support than many others I can think of. A friend who prides herself as “the top female hacker in New York” gave me an account of the online [tor network] child pornography business. Deeply saddening stuff; wish we could identify genes which accurately predict paedophilia.

    Talha, I hear you on the matter of marriage at very young ages in rural settings and I can understand it. I approach the subject, influenced by today’s rising global life expectancy where we can afford to let children be children a bit longer. Even in villages, I suppose. Not to say they shouldn’t learn many important tasks and functions as an adult might. I could be wrong about this, but I feel from all I’ve learned, young girls in many parts of the world are married off far too early when they ought to be getting an education [Malala Yusufzai's quest]. Supporting that quest is my quest as well, call it a White Man’s Burden if you will. :-)

    Best

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    Hey Sam,

    I could be wrong about this, but I feel from all I’ve learned, young girls in many parts of the world are married off far too early when they ought to be getting an education [Malala Yusufzai's quest].
     
    From my perspective and knowing what I know about the Muslim world I think the issue is really more along the lines of what Rosamond was talking about. The issue is that (due to ignorance about the matter or lack of the reach of the rule of law, etc.) women, just into puberty or far beyond it are not respected in their right to make a choice in the matter. I pulled al-Mukhtasar (11th century Hanafi legal compendium) of Imam Quduri (ra) off my shelf to double-check and it clearly states that is it prohibited for a guardian to compel a woman under his care to marry and must receive her consent to marry her off.

    The people who disregard this do not really care about age; they will compel their 30-year old daughter to marry just as well as their 13 or 14-year old. The local magistrate needs to be able to intervene and make sure the young woman is not being compelled and that is her free choice.

    This one thing would take care of the rest; if the young lady wants to continue on with education - great, if she wants to be a teenage house-wife to some young farm-hand - great, if she wants to marry some tribal shaikh that is really wealthy and will pamper her and is 30 years older than her and she gets to inherit a boatload of money in 15 years when he kicks the bucket (aka be a gold-digger) - great, if she never wants to marry - also fine. All her choice.

    The issue I see is in the logistics in implementing this because the reach of the law in many poor and rural areas means local magistrate is incapable of protecting their rights. Bribery is another issue. One of the reasons you may even find slavery still around also in those off-the-radar places.

    The reason I am mentioning this is because the White Man's Burden stuff is often seen by the locals as a neo-colonial attempt to destroy their societies and traditions (sometimes this is true and sometimes not). Thus they push back and nothing changes (and at times gets worse) and the only ones that suffer are the young ladies. If the approach is done in a way that lets them see that what they are doing is actually an affront to their own sacred law we may get more traction in solving the problem.

    Peace.
    , @RobinG
    Hi Sam & Talha,

    I'd prefer to not veer into the weeds. This topic can spread out in many directions, economics especially, but I don't think White Man's Burden or any particular religion are useful, or even germane. While few may know about Lahore, the enslaved child prostitutes of Thailand have long been a tourist destination for white westerners. No cultural imposition. No Islam.

    Ashton Kutcher: ‘I’ve seen video content of a child that’s the same age as mine being raped by an American man that was a sex tourist in Cambodia. ‘And this child was so conditioned by her environment that she thought she was engaging in play.’
    http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/16/ashton-kutchers-emotional-speech-on-fighting-child-abuse-is-so-important-6451661/

     

    Sam said, "Technological advancement has greatly increased life expectancy so that children may remain as children, unprepared ..." This statement bothers me. Haven't yet quite got a grip on how. Sure, it's good that they're not under such pressure to reproduce and that they can get more education, but why deny their agency or absolve them of any responsibility? What if they murder?

    As an aside, we just watched a movie - in which a child who had been genetically engineered to serve as a transplant donor for her terminally ill older sister - sued her parents for the right to decide on the use of her body parts. In defense, the mother alleged that the 11 year old girl was not mature enough to understand the "big picture" and therefore not entitled to decide on consent.
     
    As far as early marriage, rural or otherwise, isn't that generally decreasing? As are high birth rates. (Maybe some expert here will chime in.) The worst seems to involve major stresses such as war. When Russia stopped allowing adoptions to the US, it was due to evidence of neglect and abuse. We hear of forced labor in foreign countries, but in Bethesda, MD, a "domestic worker" was kept locked in a basement (I was told by a neighbor who had learned of her escape).

    The prostitution law redefining children as victims, not criminals, is... well... better than not... but what are the chances ECPATUSA will raise its sights a little? What about the sexual perversion, including pedophilia, used as blackmail against those very legislators? Allegations of unwanted advances, extra-marital affairs, and "Golden Showers" will pale.
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  170. ussr andy says:
    @Talha
    Hey C&D,

    the US person tries to do so in some parts of the Middle East
     
    It's fine with us - non-Muslim Christians have been eating pork (and drinking alcohol) in Muslim lands for centuries. It's immoral as far as we're concerned, but those are their protected rights as part of long-standing dhimmah agreement.

    which country doesn’t abhor rape?
     
    I don't know - I think the defense is stupid. The fact that this strategy was allowed to stand says far more about the systemic failure in Swedish law than anything else. If a non-Muslim raped a Muslim boy, we would apply the Shariah on him.

    I am sure you can appreciate the ethical dilemma for us absolutists
     
    I am an ethical absolutist; I believe that the Shariah defines (transcendentally) what is moral and what is not and thus every culture needs to be scrutinized through that lense. Thus monogamy and polygyny are fine (and each culture can adopt whatever suits them - it is a universal religion) - but polyandry is not. But it makes no sense to me to police a community that doesn't believe in my transcendental truth as long as they don't harm anyone. I'm not by non-brother's keeper.

    As to the example of bacha bazi - it is against the Shariah - which is why the Taliban suppressed it under penalty of death. We (the US) are the ones that put the "boy players" back in charge - those "who would do things that were worse than the Taliban did".

    The question is an epistemological one; where do you derive your moral and ethical principles? Otherwise, it's simply one man's opinion over another's or one's society over another's - in that sense, it is all relative - it's not about morality in the true sense, just which culture happens to be in charge and holding the whip.

    Peace.

    >where do you derive your moral and ethical principles

    some things just feel icky.

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  171. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama
    Hi Robin and Talha,

    Good to know both of you gents care about this subject, but I had expected as much, anyway. The organisation I support is ECPATUSA [www.ecpatusa.org] through a corporate sponsorship. Dedicated bunch of people who've devoted their lives to this cause. I've learned a great deal.

    Robin, thanks for the references, I'll check them out. Political advocacy for these groups deserves more support than many others I can think of. A friend who prides herself as "the top female hacker in New York" gave me an account of the online [tor network] child pornography business. Deeply saddening stuff; wish we could identify genes which accurately predict paedophilia.

    Talha, I hear you on the matter of marriage at very young ages in rural settings and I can understand it. I approach the subject, influenced by today's rising global life expectancy where we can afford to let children be children a bit longer. Even in villages, I suppose. Not to say they shouldn't learn many important tasks and functions as an adult might. I could be wrong about this, but I feel from all I've learned, young girls in many parts of the world are married off far too early when they ought to be getting an education [Malala Yusufzai's quest]. Supporting that quest is my quest as well, call it a White Man's Burden if you will. :-)

    Best

    Hey Sam,

    I could be wrong about this, but I feel from all I’ve learned, young girls in many parts of the world are married off far too early when they ought to be getting an education [Malala Yusufzai's quest].

    From my perspective and knowing what I know about the Muslim world I think the issue is really more along the lines of what Rosamond was talking about. The issue is that (due to ignorance about the matter or lack of the reach of the rule of law, etc.) women, just into puberty or far beyond it are not respected in their right to make a choice in the matter. I pulled al-Mukhtasar (11th century Hanafi legal compendium) of Imam Quduri (ra) off my shelf to double-check and it clearly states that is it prohibited for a guardian to compel a woman under his care to marry and must receive her consent to marry her off.

    The people who disregard this do not really care about age; they will compel their 30-year old daughter to marry just as well as their 13 or 14-year old. The local magistrate needs to be able to intervene and make sure the young woman is not being compelled and that is her free choice.

    This one thing would take care of the rest; if the young lady wants to continue on with education – great, if she wants to be a teenage house-wife to some young farm-hand – great, if she wants to marry some tribal shaikh that is really wealthy and will pamper her and is 30 years older than her and she gets to inherit a boatload of money in 15 years when he kicks the bucket (aka be a gold-digger) – great, if she never wants to marry – also fine. All her choice.

    The issue I see is in the logistics in implementing this because the reach of the law in many poor and rural areas means local magistrate is incapable of protecting their rights. Bribery is another issue. One of the reasons you may even find slavery still around also in those off-the-radar places.

    The reason I am mentioning this is because the White Man’s Burden stuff is often seen by the locals as a neo-colonial attempt to destroy their societies and traditions (sometimes this is true and sometimes not). Thus they push back and nothing changes (and at times gets worse) and the only ones that suffer are the young ladies. If the approach is done in a way that lets them see that what they are doing is actually an affront to their own sacred law we may get more traction in solving the problem.

    Peace.

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  172. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama
    Hi Robin and Talha,

    Good to know both of you gents care about this subject, but I had expected as much, anyway. The organisation I support is ECPATUSA [www.ecpatusa.org] through a corporate sponsorship. Dedicated bunch of people who've devoted their lives to this cause. I've learned a great deal.

    Robin, thanks for the references, I'll check them out. Political advocacy for these groups deserves more support than many others I can think of. A friend who prides herself as "the top female hacker in New York" gave me an account of the online [tor network] child pornography business. Deeply saddening stuff; wish we could identify genes which accurately predict paedophilia.

    Talha, I hear you on the matter of marriage at very young ages in rural settings and I can understand it. I approach the subject, influenced by today's rising global life expectancy where we can afford to let children be children a bit longer. Even in villages, I suppose. Not to say they shouldn't learn many important tasks and functions as an adult might. I could be wrong about this, but I feel from all I've learned, young girls in many parts of the world are married off far too early when they ought to be getting an education [Malala Yusufzai's quest]. Supporting that quest is my quest as well, call it a White Man's Burden if you will. :-)

    Best

    Hi Sam & Talha,

    I’d prefer to not veer into the weeds. This topic can spread out in many directions, economics especially, but I don’t think White Man’s Burden or any particular religion are useful, or even germane. While few may know about Lahore, the enslaved child prostitutes of Thailand have long been a tourist destination for white westerners. No cultural imposition. No Islam.

    Ashton Kutcher: ‘I’ve seen video content of a child that’s the same age as mine being raped by an American man that was a sex tourist in Cambodia. ‘And this child was so conditioned by her environment that she thought she was engaging in play.’

    http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/16/ashton-kutchers-emotional-speech-on-fighting-child-abuse-is-so-important-6451661/

    Sam said, “Technological advancement has greatly increased life expectancy so that children may remain as children, unprepared …” This statement bothers me. Haven’t yet quite got a grip on how. Sure, it’s good that they’re not under such pressure to reproduce and that they can get more education, but why deny their agency or absolve them of any responsibility? What if they murder?

    As an aside, we just watched a movie – in which a child who had been genetically engineered to serve as a transplant donor for her terminally ill older sister – sued her parents for the right to decide on the use of her body parts. In defense, the mother alleged that the 11 year old girl was not mature enough to understand the “big picture” and therefore not entitled to decide on consent.

    As far as early marriage, rural or otherwise, isn’t that generally decreasing? As are high birth rates. (Maybe some expert here will chime in.) The worst seems to involve major stresses such as war. When Russia stopped allowing adoptions to the US, it was due to evidence of neglect and abuse. We hear of forced labor in foreign countries, but in Bethesda, MD, a “domestic worker” was kept locked in a basement (I was told by a neighbor who had learned of her escape).

    The prostitution law redefining children as victims, not criminals, is… well… better than not… but what are the chances ECPATUSA will raise its sights a little? What about the sexual perversion, including pedophilia, used as blackmail against those very legislators? Allegations of unwanted advances, extra-marital affairs, and “Golden Showers” will pale.

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    Hey RobinG,

    Very good point about the sex-tourism in East Asia. That article - wow - I had no idea it was that bad. I doubt this is legal on the books in Thailand, Cambodia, etc. so I'm guessing there is either a lot of bribery or, again, these places being beyond the reach of law. I wonder how much of the local economy in those places depends on this kind of tourism from the West.

    As far as early marriage, rural or otherwise, isn’t that generally decreasing?
     
    Yes - doesn't happen much, especially in relatively stable places. The general trend has been downward and I doubt it will go the other way unless environmental factors slip back to more poverty and shorter lifespans. The British Raj used to keep meticulous records on these things in India - they tracked marriages by the age of spouses and across the different denominations - Hindu, Muslim, Christian, (I believe Jain also), etc. and early marriages are nowhere near the per-capita rate they used to be back then.

    What about the sexual perversion, including pedophilia, used as blackmail against those very legislators?
     
    Good point - I think a lot of these powerful figures likely have very nasty histories.

    Allegations of unwanted advances
     
    Agreed - if society wants to really go after the worst abuses, we would be wise to prioritize along the lines you are suggesting - I don't think you will get anything but support from the public - I honestly don't think they know this kind of stuff is going on - I certainly didn't.

    The Day of Judgement will be a very grim day.

    Peace.
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  173. Talha says:
    @RobinG
    Hi Sam & Talha,

    I'd prefer to not veer into the weeds. This topic can spread out in many directions, economics especially, but I don't think White Man's Burden or any particular religion are useful, or even germane. While few may know about Lahore, the enslaved child prostitutes of Thailand have long been a tourist destination for white westerners. No cultural imposition. No Islam.

    Ashton Kutcher: ‘I’ve seen video content of a child that’s the same age as mine being raped by an American man that was a sex tourist in Cambodia. ‘And this child was so conditioned by her environment that she thought she was engaging in play.’
    http://metro.co.uk/2017/02/16/ashton-kutchers-emotional-speech-on-fighting-child-abuse-is-so-important-6451661/

     

    Sam said, "Technological advancement has greatly increased life expectancy so that children may remain as children, unprepared ..." This statement bothers me. Haven't yet quite got a grip on how. Sure, it's good that they're not under such pressure to reproduce and that they can get more education, but why deny their agency or absolve them of any responsibility? What if they murder?

    As an aside, we just watched a movie - in which a child who had been genetically engineered to serve as a transplant donor for her terminally ill older sister - sued her parents for the right to decide on the use of her body parts. In defense, the mother alleged that the 11 year old girl was not mature enough to understand the "big picture" and therefore not entitled to decide on consent.
     
    As far as early marriage, rural or otherwise, isn't that generally decreasing? As are high birth rates. (Maybe some expert here will chime in.) The worst seems to involve major stresses such as war. When Russia stopped allowing adoptions to the US, it was due to evidence of neglect and abuse. We hear of forced labor in foreign countries, but in Bethesda, MD, a "domestic worker" was kept locked in a basement (I was told by a neighbor who had learned of her escape).

    The prostitution law redefining children as victims, not criminals, is... well... better than not... but what are the chances ECPATUSA will raise its sights a little? What about the sexual perversion, including pedophilia, used as blackmail against those very legislators? Allegations of unwanted advances, extra-marital affairs, and "Golden Showers" will pale.

    Hey RobinG,

    Very good point about the sex-tourism in East Asia. That article – wow – I had no idea it was that bad. I doubt this is legal on the books in Thailand, Cambodia, etc. so I’m guessing there is either a lot of bribery or, again, these places being beyond the reach of law. I wonder how much of the local economy in those places depends on this kind of tourism from the West.

    As far as early marriage, rural or otherwise, isn’t that generally decreasing?

    Yes – doesn’t happen much, especially in relatively stable places. The general trend has been downward and I doubt it will go the other way unless environmental factors slip back to more poverty and shorter lifespans. The British Raj used to keep meticulous records on these things in India – they tracked marriages by the age of spouses and across the different denominations – Hindu, Muslim, Christian, (I believe Jain also), etc. and early marriages are nowhere near the per-capita rate they used to be back then.

    What about the sexual perversion, including pedophilia, used as blackmail against those very legislators?

    Good point – I think a lot of these powerful figures likely have very nasty histories.

    Allegations of unwanted advances

    Agreed – if society wants to really go after the worst abuses, we would be wise to prioritize along the lines you are suggesting – I don’t think you will get anything but support from the public – I honestly don’t think they know this kind of stuff is going on – I certainly didn’t.

    The Day of Judgement will be a very grim day.

    Peace.

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    Although I'm surprised by your innocence (*so engaged with religious texts that you're oblivious to current events?), this actually gives reason for hope. If the majority are similarly ignorant, then it's worth awakening them!

    *This is just observation, not judgment, and I'm in no position to criticize, lol.
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  174. RobinG says:
    @Talha
    Hey RobinG,

    Very good point about the sex-tourism in East Asia. That article - wow - I had no idea it was that bad. I doubt this is legal on the books in Thailand, Cambodia, etc. so I'm guessing there is either a lot of bribery or, again, these places being beyond the reach of law. I wonder how much of the local economy in those places depends on this kind of tourism from the West.

    As far as early marriage, rural or otherwise, isn’t that generally decreasing?
     
    Yes - doesn't happen much, especially in relatively stable places. The general trend has been downward and I doubt it will go the other way unless environmental factors slip back to more poverty and shorter lifespans. The British Raj used to keep meticulous records on these things in India - they tracked marriages by the age of spouses and across the different denominations - Hindu, Muslim, Christian, (I believe Jain also), etc. and early marriages are nowhere near the per-capita rate they used to be back then.

    What about the sexual perversion, including pedophilia, used as blackmail against those very legislators?
     
    Good point - I think a lot of these powerful figures likely have very nasty histories.

    Allegations of unwanted advances
     
    Agreed - if society wants to really go after the worst abuses, we would be wise to prioritize along the lines you are suggesting - I don't think you will get anything but support from the public - I honestly don't think they know this kind of stuff is going on - I certainly didn't.

    The Day of Judgement will be a very grim day.

    Peace.

    Although I’m surprised by your innocence (*so engaged with religious texts that you’re oblivious to current events?), this actually gives reason for hope. If the majority are similarly ignorant, then it’s worth awakening them!

    *This is just observation, not judgment, and I’m in no position to criticize, lol.

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    Hey RobinG,

    The criticism is warranted. Though I knew exploitation of children goes one in the "dark web" - I did not know it was this bad. And definitely, this is as universal a cause as I can think of.

    Peace.
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  175. Talha says:
    @RobinG
    Although I'm surprised by your innocence (*so engaged with religious texts that you're oblivious to current events?), this actually gives reason for hope. If the majority are similarly ignorant, then it's worth awakening them!

    *This is just observation, not judgment, and I'm in no position to criticize, lol.

    Hey RobinG,

    The criticism is warranted. Though I knew exploitation of children goes one in the “dark web” – I did not know it was this bad. And definitely, this is as universal a cause as I can think of.

    Peace.

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  176. iffen says:

    I am voting for Judge Moore for the third time this election cycle on December 12th.

    Sherif Ali: “He was nothing. The well is everything.”

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    Hi Iffen,
    I recall that scene from "Lawrence". Brilliant in its shocking simplicity for the meaning and value of life. I am certainly in no position to judge Roy Moore, but you clearly think he is worthy of your vote. What is the real story in your view in this saga? My thoughts are chiefly motivated by a desire to see the Beverly Nelsons not get the quick shove to obscurity; a case of justice robbed.
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  177. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen
    I am voting for Judge Moore for the third time this election cycle on December 12th.

    Sherif Ali: "He was nothing. The well is everything."
     

    Hi Iffen,
    I recall that scene from “Lawrence”. Brilliant in its shocking simplicity for the meaning and value of life. I am certainly in no position to judge Roy Moore, but you clearly think he is worthy of your vote. What is the real story in your view in this saga? My thoughts are chiefly motivated by a desire to see the Beverly Nelsons not get the quick shove to obscurity; a case of justice robbed.

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    Obscurity is unlikely, if her charges are remotely credible against such a valid media target.
    , @RobinG
    Here's an optimistic view of how this harassment, domination ...and pedophilia can unravel.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SmFyhDI2u8
    Dr. Steve Pieczenik About Charlie Rose.....and....
    , @iffen
    Smoking gun?

    Specifically Moore's account of how he met his now-wife, Kayla Moore.
    First, read his book. In it, Moore describes how he met his wife at a Christmas party hosted by friends. He would have been 37. She was 23.
    "Many years before, I had attended a dance recital at Gadsden State Junior College," Moore wrote. "I remembered one of the special dances performed by a young woman whose first and last names began with the letter 'K.' It was something I had never forgotten. Could that young woman have been Kayla Kisor?"
    Moore later determined that it was.
    "Long afterward, I would learn that Kayla had, in fact, performed a special dance routine at Gadsden State years before," he wrote.
    Take a second to think about what's being said here. Moore first took notice of Kayla at a dance recital?
    Perhaps you're wondering what "many years" means, and I wondered that too. Luckily, Moore again has cleared that up for us.
    In an interview Moore gave earlier this year, he gave a similar account, but for one detail.
    "It was, oh gosh, eight years later, or something, I met her," Moore said. "And when she told me her name, I remembered 'K. K.,' and I said, 'Haven't I met you before?'"
    It's a simple matter of subtraction. When Roy Moore first took notice of Kayla she would have been as young as 15.
     
    http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/11/you_dont_have_to_believe_the_w.html
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  178. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Sam Shama
    Hi Iffen,
    I recall that scene from "Lawrence". Brilliant in its shocking simplicity for the meaning and value of life. I am certainly in no position to judge Roy Moore, but you clearly think he is worthy of your vote. What is the real story in your view in this saga? My thoughts are chiefly motivated by a desire to see the Beverly Nelsons not get the quick shove to obscurity; a case of justice robbed.

    Obscurity is unlikely, if her charges are remotely credible against such a valid media target.

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  179. iffen says:

    Some interesting information on the question in case you missed it:

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/17/exclusive-roy-moore-gloria-allreds-refusal-to-release-yearbook-proves-allegations-are-completely-untrue/

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/20/exclusive-ex-boyfriend-of-roy-moore-accuser-i-dont-believe-her/

    I haven’t decided whether to believe him or her.

    The described behavior is troubling, but the fact that the physical contact was limited influences my opinion. I could see myself having a different view if the accusation was “legitimate rape.” :)

    The “well” is the fight against the elites who are destroying America. Beverly Nelson will just have to take one for the cause.

    Trump should have supported Mo Brooks and he would have been in the run-off against Big Luther and would be the nominee.

    You can’t fight with the allies that you want; you have to fight with the ones that you have. 

    Obviously I am voting against rather than for.

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  180. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama
    Hi Iffen,
    I recall that scene from "Lawrence". Brilliant in its shocking simplicity for the meaning and value of life. I am certainly in no position to judge Roy Moore, but you clearly think he is worthy of your vote. What is the real story in your view in this saga? My thoughts are chiefly motivated by a desire to see the Beverly Nelsons not get the quick shove to obscurity; a case of justice robbed.

    Here’s an optimistic view of how this harassment, domination …and pedophilia can unravel.


    Dr. Steve Pieczenik About Charlie Rose…..and….

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  181. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama
    Hi Iffen,
    I recall that scene from "Lawrence". Brilliant in its shocking simplicity for the meaning and value of life. I am certainly in no position to judge Roy Moore, but you clearly think he is worthy of your vote. What is the real story in your view in this saga? My thoughts are chiefly motivated by a desire to see the Beverly Nelsons not get the quick shove to obscurity; a case of justice robbed.

    Smoking gun?

    Specifically Moore’s account of how he met his now-wife, Kayla Moore.
    First, read his book. In it, Moore describes how he met his wife at a Christmas party hosted by friends. He would have been 37. She was 23.
    “Many years before, I had attended a dance recital at Gadsden State Junior College,” Moore wrote. “I remembered one of the special dances performed by a young woman whose first and last names began with the letter ‘K.’ It was something I had never forgotten. Could that young woman have been Kayla Kisor?”
    Moore later determined that it was.
    “Long afterward, I would learn that Kayla had, in fact, performed a special dance routine at Gadsden State years before,” he wrote.
    Take a second to think about what’s being said here. Moore first took notice of Kayla at a dance recital?
    Perhaps you’re wondering what “many years” means, and I wondered that too. Luckily, Moore again has cleared that up for us.
    In an interview Moore gave earlier this year, he gave a similar account, but for one detail.
    “It was, oh gosh, eight years later, or something, I met her,” Moore said. “And when she told me her name, I remembered ‘K. K.,’ and I said, ‘Haven’t I met you before?’”
    It’s a simple matter of subtraction. When Roy Moore first took notice of Kayla she would have been as young as 15.

    http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2017/11/you_dont_have_to_believe_the_w.html

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  182. We have known for a very long time that girls mature ahead of boys by several years, so most American boys spend their school years in classes taught by women where they were way more immature than the girl students. By the time they are out of high school American boys have had their confidence thoroughly mauled by taking seriously the nonsense about “all men being created equal.” Ancient cultures were much more like some modern scientists, going by what has been proven to work over time, not making up the rules to go with some made-up ideas they got from their enlightenment.

    Ancient societies kept the women in the home, because societies that do this survived over millennia. When you put half the work of the culture in the home and out of the reach of the marketplace and the money lenders, when the inevitable economic crashes come, those societies come out on top in the long run. A lot of urban single women with children simply die or are enslaved without large families to support them. We have three children in their thirties who are college professors, and finally one if them is expecting a baby, but when I was a child I went to family reunions with two hundred people.

    When Americans granted women driver’s licenses, within a generation that had tripled the consumption of gasoline and guaranteed that the country would soon have to conquer the rest of the world’s oil reserves just to add a few decades before the crash. The whole point of keeping women at home is to lessen the catastrophe when the inevitable crashes come. Moses was writing his laws at the end of the Late Bronze when huge civilisations were crashing all around him. This had happened at the end of the Early and Middle Bronze too and many times before, but these recently literate neo-Viking barbarians who now have a temporary military advantage think that their control over the world will never end. They expect to press on to the stars. Their demise will be remarkable and soon.

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    When you were huddled around the campfire on the kibbutz, were you a Jew or a neo-Viking?
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  183. Case of Roy More.
    CNN is calling Roy More a child molester.
    …………………………………………………………..

    When I did see this accusation I just could not help myself.
    I do consider my civic duty to fill in the hole in CNN vocabulary.
    …………………………………………………………………………………………

    Humanoids by age fall into four categories: babies, children, adolescents, and adults.
    So I do let CNN to guess again into which category 14 year old humanoid falls.

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    CNN has many faults, but this is not one.

    In the US, any reference to sexual predation on those that are underage is commonly called pedophilia. Usually, only clinicians make a distinction between attraction to prepubescents as opposed adolescents.

    A distinction is noted but people still call it pedophilia.

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  184. RobinG says:
    @Mike Garrett
    We have known for a very long time that girls mature ahead of boys by several years, so most American boys spend their school years in classes taught by women where they were way more immature than the girl students. By the time they are out of high school American boys have had their confidence thoroughly mauled by taking seriously the nonsense about "all men being created equal." Ancient cultures were much more like some modern scientists, going by what has been proven to work over time, not making up the rules to go with some made-up ideas they got from their enlightenment.

    Ancient societies kept the women in the home, because societies that do this survived over millennia. When you put half the work of the culture in the home and out of the reach of the marketplace and the money lenders, when the inevitable economic crashes come, those societies come out on top in the long run. A lot of urban single women with children simply die or are enslaved without large families to support them. We have three children in their thirties who are college professors, and finally one if them is expecting a baby, but when I was a child I went to family reunions with two hundred people.

    When Americans granted women driver's licenses, within a generation that had tripled the consumption of gasoline and guaranteed that the country would soon have to conquer the rest of the world's oil reserves just to add a few decades before the crash. The whole point of keeping women at home is to lessen the catastrophe when the inevitable crashes come. Moses was writing his laws at the end of the Late Bronze when huge civilisations were crashing all around him. This had happened at the end of the Early and Middle Bronze too and many times before, but these recently literate neo-Viking barbarians who now have a temporary military advantage think that their control over the world will never end. They expect to press on to the stars. Their demise will be remarkable and soon.

    When you were huddled around the campfire on the kibbutz, were you a Jew or a neo-Viking?

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  185. iffen says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Case of Roy More.
    CNN is calling Roy More a child molester.
    ....................................................................

    When I did see this accusation I just could not help myself.
    I do consider my civic duty to fill in the hole in CNN vocabulary.
    ......................................................................................................

    Humanoids by age fall into four categories: babies, children, adolescents, and adults.
    So I do let CNN to guess again into which category 14 year old humanoid falls.

    CNN has many faults, but this is not one.

    In the US, any reference to sexual predation on those that are underage is commonly called pedophilia. Usually, only clinicians make a distinction between attraction to prepubescents as opposed adolescents.

    A distinction is noted but people still call it pedophilia.

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  186. CORRECTION: “Reports on the severe punishments American judges mete out on male teachers having sex with teenage girls are met with bewilderment and disbelief. What’s the harm if a 17-year-old girl is seduced by her 23-year-old teacher? The thot should be envied, if anything.”

    FTFY (fixed that for you), Izzy.

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