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Secrets of the Syrian War: October 2015

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The greatest secrets: the West has no people on the ground in Syria to take over the liberated territories; the Russians still seek partnership, Erdogan has bitten more than he can chew, and ISIS is a phantom, after all.

Russians are enjoying their Syrian adventure. Twenty days after its start, their entry into the Syrian war has paid off and brought some dividends. They displayed their military toys and duly impressed other boys in the sandbox. After a long period of despondency the Russians have now been cheered up, thank you, they feel much better, as a man convalescing after a grave disease. They like the pictures of their pilots in American-style top-military-chic overalls, of their exquisite ultra-modern jets, of the sheer audacity of this campaign so far from home. They like the new publicity of their military operations, unprecedented for this country. Their MoD posts videos and allows them to follow the attacks and the hits in real time.

Putin has been very popular before the war, with 86% support in the ratings, and now his public support has gone through the roof. The best of it, from the Russian point of view, was the daring launch of their 26 brand new Kalibr cruise missiles from a frigate in the Caspian Sea all the way to Syria over the hills and deserts of Iraq and Iran. Though Iraq and Iran had been warned, they did not leak the news to their US partners. The missiles made perfect hits, and military experts say this new class of cruise missiles would allow Russia, if necessary, to take care of the US missile shield installations in neighbouring East European countries. The Russians were pleased as on the day they launched their first Sputnik.

The Syrian campaign has been so popular that an attempt to organise an anti-war demo failed spectacularly: only one hundred fifty persons gathered, in all of 15 million strong Moscow. By comparison, demos against Ukrainian involvement attracted a few thousand protesters at least.

As we predicted in our recent columns, the Russians did not bother overmuch about ISIS (excepting a few raids on Raqqa, its supposed “capital”) but attacked other opposition groups around Damascus and Aleppo, planning to liberate the whole North of Syria all the way up to Turkish border. The ground operations are carried out by the Syrian Army, perhaps strengthened by Iranian units and Hezbollah fighters, with Russian air cover. It is not going very smoothly, for the opposition keeps well entrenched positions, but it still goes, as the fragmented opposition is no match for a regular army with air support.

They plan to seal the Turkish border from the Syrian side, thus terminating the main supply route for the rebels (including ISIS) but probably leaving them some escape routes. The West says they are bombing moderate opposition, but the Russians deny any such opposition exists. They are all jihadis (jihadists), they say. The Russians compare the outcry over bombing of rebels (supposed CIA assets) with relative quiet over the recent US bombing of Doctors Without Borders in Afghanistan: “So the hospital was accidentally hit, it does not matter, nothing to write home about”, Sergey Lavrov wryly summed up the Western attitude to the US-perpetrated atrocity.

In the confidential negotiations between high-ranking Russian and European officials, the Russians say the FSA (Free Syrian Army) has disintegrated for all practical purposes. Its bulk consisted of Syrian Army deserters, some religious and some non-religious, but “the shaven ones (non-religious) ran away as the bearded ones (jihadis) scared them”. Now, even newspapers more sympathetic to the rebels like the Guardian have stopped claiming there is a sizeable non-jihadi opposition. They say the rebels are divided into jihadis and “non-ideological units”, i.e. gangs. The population is scared of them, clearly preferring government rule. Bashar Assad holds 20% of Syrian territory, but 80% of its population.

At a meeting with the Syrian opposition leader Burhan Ghalioun in Paris, the Russian Deputy Foreign Minister told the old man benignly: “You are a Sorbonne Professor, you know everything a hundred times better than I do. You say Bashar Assad is a war criminal. You surely understand that if today you were appointed the President of Syria, ISIS would fight against you as well as they do now against Bashar Assad. They want to establish their Caliphate from Andalusia in Spain to Pakistan, and they will not tolerate even the Muslim Brotherhood, much less such enlightened intellectuals as you are, standing in their way”.

In the intensive diplomatic negotiations aimed to convince of the Russian intervention’s legitimacy, the Russians reminded their European partners that at G8 summit in North Ireland the parties agreed to use air force against the jihadi rebels as they threatened world security. This was proposed by Hollande of France and Cameron of the UK, and supported by Obama and Putin.

The French made a few bombing sorties, saying there were 1600 French citizens fighting in the ISIS units, and for them it was a matter of self-defence. Fine, said the Russians, if this is a valid argument, there are over 2000 Russian citizens there, who also had to be taken care of in a similar manner. So it is our self-defence.

The Russians proposed to the French to do their work for them (I presume, with a grain of salt). “Just tell us where and whom you’d want us to bomb”, asked the Russian official. The French counterpart kept mum. “Well, tell us where and whom you want us not to bomb”, insisted the Russian. But the French official did not reply, either.

The Russians suspect that the West does not know the answer and has no people on the ground to take over the liberated territories. The indignity of millions of dollars spent by the US to train four or five fighters is a proof for it, they say. This also explains the long and futile American bombing campaign: over 7500 sorties with no tangible result, unless you count the recently destroyed power plant that supplied people of Aleppo with their electricity.

Sergey Lavrov tells some interesting stories from the time before the Russian Air Force presence was established in the area. Russian observers actually saw the ISIS column on white Toyota Jeeps with black banners moving across the desert towards Palmyra, but they and their Syrian allies received the US request to let them pass unhindered. Moreover, the US warned Bashar Assad: they will hit him if he just tries to use the US sorties against the ISIS to gain ground.

There is no alternative to Bashar Assad now, said Lavrov. It is him or anarchy. There is no united opposition in counterweight to ISIS: just scattered groups. “Let the opposition groups get together and form a coalition. Let them unite and take part in the battle against ISIS”. It is rather unlikely his offer will be taken up.

The very tone of Russian-European talks changed recently. Previously, the European ministers carried like arrogant sahibs with unruly natives, now they are respectful, even obsequious. Though the flight of the Kalibr made a difference in perception, so did the waves of Syrian refugees. The Europeans came to understanding that the Russians are most likely to pacify Syria and return the refugees home.

However, there is another very important party to the conflict, namely Erdogan’s Turkey.

Erdogan in trouble

I have had a lot of sympathy for the Turkish leader: he cut his generals down to size, made Turkey rather prosperous, supported the poor, spoke for the Palestinians. He was a very good friend and neighbour of Russia to the mutual benefit of the two countries. However, his Syrian policy has been disastrous for Syria, Turkey and Europe.

A high-ranking official told me that at the first sign of trouble in Syria, Erdogan demanded that President Bashar Assad give half of his government posts to the MB (Muslim Brotherhood). Assad refused, and Erdogan unleashed the dogs of war. The jihadis, that is the Islamist fighters of every hue, flocked to Syria through Turkey. Their weapons were delivered via Turkey. Turkey is their preferred transit for looted antiquities and for illegally produced oil.

Erdogan had grandiose plans of creating a vast empire built upon the MB. These plans cracked as Egyptian army removed the MB President Mursi and seized power. They failed in Syria, too, and the fallout was heavy.

Erdogan invited Syrians to come to Turkey for a short sojourn while Bashar Assad was dethroned; their numbers swelled to over two million with no end in sight. The Turks became unhappy as their security was undermined, their quality of life deteriorated, their fragile prosperity suffered a setback. They made it clear at the recent elections: he hoped for a clear majority for constitutional reform, but failed to form a government and was forced to call a new election.

Now Erdogan is attempting to mobilise his voters by a threat of war. Turks are patriotic chaps, they were brought up on worshiping their WWI hero General Kemal Ataturk. For them (like for many nations), a threat of war is a clarion call for unity and support of government. For this reason he plans to pull Turkey to the brink of war with Russia. So claims the Turkish “Deep Throat”, an anonymous and knowledgeable insider who sends his twits under nickname fuat avni https://twitter.com/fuatavni_f He has a strong record of disclosing noxious plans of the government. Now he claims Erdogan has given orders to shoot down Russian planes operating in Syria while claiming they have intruded into Turkish air space.

Turkish forces already shot down a drone, claiming it was a Russian one. At the same time, they carry out operations against Syrian Kurds, the preferred allies of the Americans. The Turkish opposition insists that the big terrorist attack on the Kurd peace demo in Ankara (95 dead, 215 wounded) perpetrated by ISIS had been used, or even instigated by Erdogan. Bearing in mind that Erdogan was the architect of a new peaceful policy towards the Turkish Kurds, this is a particularly unpleasant development.

Erdogan has lost his allies. The US prefers the Kurds and is annoyed that Turkey bombs them while declaring they fight against ISIS, the main enemy of the Kurds. It is not clear whether they will rush to his support in case of trouble with the Russians.

His only happy moment occurred recently, when Frau Merkel, the German Chancellor, gave him three billion euros for the upkeep of the refugees on condition he will stop their exodus. She also promised visa-free travel and other small favours to cheer him up.

But the worst is still to come. Reeling under the Russian-led offensive in Syria, the jihadis have begun their great trek back to Turkey. They are shaving off their beards and going while the going is good. Though it is a great relief for Syria, Turkey will have its hands full with these gangs. Some observers already claim that Turkey will be the next Syria.

In a confidential meeting, Erdogan threatened Putin that he would send tens and hundreds of thousands of fighters to Syria, enough to overcome any hardware advantage the Russian-led coalition may have. He can rely upon heavy coffers of the Saudis, and perhaps an American wink. If he will, an all-out war might become a distinct possibility.

The Kurds remain a loose cannon on the deck of Turkey. They have a long-term connection with Israel and the US, and with Russia as well. The Russian ambassador in Ankara has been recently reprimanded because Russian officials had met with Kurdish representatives in Paris. The Russians are cautiously trying to smuggle the Kurds into the political process, but the Russians are aware that the Kurds may present a danger to the Turkish state.

It is better to play ball. The Russians do not scorn Erdogan and his worries. They have other fish to fry together, from gas pipelines to building projects, with multibillion investments on both sides, and the Russians hope Turkey will remain a good friend, though a serious adjustment of Erdogan’s policies in Syria may be necessary in any case.

Sunni-Shia angle

Instigated by the British in 1920s and by the Americans after 2003 in occupied Iraq, Sunni-Shia enmity adds a complication to the problem. Iran is an ally of Bashar Assad and ready to help, but the Iranians (who are Shias) hesitated. They were worried their presence on the ground might be used to present the conflict as a Sunni-Shia war.

The arrival of the Russians (who are not Shia) solved the insoluble equation. With their leadership, the coalition has apparently no religious connotation. But the Gulf states (led by the Troika of Kuwait, Qatar, and the Saudi princes) who were the biggest sponsors of the Syrian rebellion, intend to play this card. “Your support of Assad will be understood by people as your war against 1.5 billion Sunnis”, they rudely threatened Lavrov.

“It’s not we who destroyed the strong Sunni state of Saddam Hussein”, said the Russian minister. Indeed, the Russians supported the Iraq of Saddam Hussein, while the US attacked it and disbanded its government and the army thus creating its afterlife ghost, ISIS. The Russians are non-sectarian: they support Iraq with Shias at the top as they supported Iraq with Sunnis at the top. They support Syria with or without Bashar Assad. This is a part of their imperial, non-sectarian, tradition.

Extremist Sunni groups may try terror. A group of ISIS fighters travelled from Syria to Moscow planning a mega-terror act in the Moscow subway. They were arrested in the nick of time with a ten-pound bomb in their hands. There are many security personnel in Moscow and other Russian cities watching out for the terrorists, but there is no feeling of siege.

The Russians try not to antagonise the Saudis and other Gulf princes. They well received their Defence Minister Mohammad bin Salman, the young son of the present KSA king Salman. He met Putin twice, and there are plans for a royal visit in November.

At every meeting between the Gulf princes and Russian officials, the princes try two requests: Assad must go and Iran should leave. The Russians clearly reject both demands, saying they can’t and won’t tell the Syrians who their president should be.

“Anyway Assad would not listen to us even if we asked him. If you want Assad to leave, talk to him, Lavrov suggested, tongue in cheek. Propose some guarantees, residence, money. But what are the guarantees worth after the Ukraine debacle, as President Yanukovych accepted all conditions of the EU ministers, signed his surrender, received their guarantees, and on the next day he was forced to escape by skin of his teeth?” Thus the recent experience of Ukraine, Iraq, and Libya make the solution in Syria more complicated.

Partners and rivals

The Russians are still very keen on friendship with Americans. There is none of the gut anti-Americanism typical for the Third World. Being very conservative by nature, the Russians prefer conservative Republicans to the enlightened Democrats, though they appreciated Roosevelt and Kennedy. They admired Reagan, and probably they will like Donald Trump even more. Mrs. Clinton is not likely to capture their hearts and minds. They would prefer to have the US as a friend and partner, though they can’t stand being bossed by the US or being told how to behave, as the Cruise Missile Democrats (in Justin Raimondo’s terms) are prone to do.

Even now they try to present their Syrian adventure as being done in partnership with the US. The officials told me they proposed to form a joint contingency plan for rescuing a pilot of a downed plane (Russian or American), as both countries fly missions against the ISIS. They were astonished to get a cold shoulder from the Americans. They say they do the job the Americans failed to do, namely eradicate the terrorist entity. If they suspect that the US had a totally different plan, they do not say so.

The Russians invited an American military delegation to Moscow to deal with technicalities of Syrian operation; the Americans refused. The Russians proposed to send a delegation to Pentagon, led by Prime Minister Medvedev; their offer was spurned. After long hesitation, the Americans made an arrangement to avoid the risk of their planes clashing in Syrian skies. They are clearly unhappy about Russian intervention, but are not doing much against it. The US has made a few air-drops of weapons (mainly personnel anti-tank missiles TOWs) to the rebels, and they are likely to send more, presumably intending to repeat the Afghanistan logic of arming rebels in order to bleed the Russians.

Afghan Shadow

It is received wisdom that the Americans lured the Soviets into Afghan quagmire, armed the mujahedeen with Stinger missiles and bled the Soviets to their breakdown and surrender in the Cold War. Though the tooth fairy is received wisdom, too.

In real life, the Soviet takeover of Afghanistan had been legal, as it was done at the request of the legitimate government. The US has had its troops seize a hundred states with the same legitimacy, and in some (notably Afghanistan as it was belligerently occupied) with much less.

The Soviet losses in Afghanistan were quite moderate (less than 15,000 men for ten years – compared with 50,000 American GI lost in Vietnam), the government had been stabilised, women received equal rights, life began to improve rapidly.

Gorbachev’s decision forced the Russians to leave Afghanistan, but they had to leave Germany and Ukraine, Baltic states and Poland, as well. There is no reason to believe that the Afghan campaign contributed heavily to the Soviet collapse.

The Soviet Union collapsed as its leaders preferred to dissolve the Union, to embrace capitalism and to enter its system as an equal, perhaps somewhat junior member. A strange decision, but that is what it was. That’s why the Russians do not consider themselves defeated in the Cold War. If the West would observe some elementary rules of the game, Russia would remain as docile a member of the First World as Italy or France, for good and for ill.

Afghanistan played preciously little role in the events, so it is not likely the Syrian adventure will put much stress upon modern Russia, either.

The bottom-line

As for ISIS, its presence in Syria probably will be ephemeral. Created by the US inability to find its own people to keep the ground they extracted from Damascus regime, it will be gone as Bashar Assad regains the ground while forming a coalition and power-sharing with the opposition groups.

ISIS in Iraq will not go down with the same ease. It holds such big cities as Mosul with its two million inhabitants. There the solution can be political only, by compromise between the Shias of the South, the Sunnis of the Centre and the Kurds of the North, if Iraq’s integrity is to be preserved, as the Russians prefer.

As for the bottom-line, the Russians are likely to end with a fully developed naval, air and ground base in Latakia on the Mediterranean shore, its answer to the vast US base in Kosovo and a solution to the limitations of the Bosporus. It will be a new Sevastopol, the greatest Russian enterprise for a century. Putingrad, anyone?

Israel Shamir can be reached at adam@israelshamir.net

This article has been first published on The Unz Review.

 
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  1. why are there so many articles flooding the media and the internet about what is going on in the middle east?

    I am 58 years old, have served in the military, am well-educated, and, really, I just don’t give a fat, happy damn about what happens over there.

    It’s like they want to manufacture this controversy and interest in what is going on over there.

    Yawn. Who cares? They can blow themselves sky high for all I care.

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  2. Thank you, Israel Shamir, for the very thorough update on the situation in Syria. I have to shake my head in disbelief when I hear the Russian leaders speaking with much greater clarity and focus than our muddle-headed leaders, with the big exception of Donald Trump. Like you, I sense that Mr. Trump, should he become U.S. President, will be able to get along with Mr. Putin better than any American on the political stage.

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  3. If you don’t think what is going on in Syria doesn’t affect the U.S., you haven’t been paying attention. Apart from the great waste of U.S. tax dollars (an astounding $500 million to train 4 or 5 “moderate” Syrians, for example), there is the small matter that more than 100,000 “Syrian refugees” are headed here, under plans announced by Obama. This is as a result of a “civil war” that the U.S. has done much to stir up. You may be emblematic of what’s wrong with Americans today. Apparently, you are too bored to be concerned that the U.S. has been waging an illegal war in Syria, another country that hasn’t attacked us, without Congressional authorization and without any authorization from the U.N. There is also the slight matter of “blowback,” as the many “Americans” who have gone to Syria to fight in that civil war return home and possibly seek to pay back America with terrorist acts for its failure to assure the overthrow of Assad.

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  4. why don’t you tell our govt that? we started the stupid mess over there and more.

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  6. While it’s true that the US gov’t started these wars, primary responsibility goes to the neocons/Israel firsters and other members of the Lobby (AIPAC, PNAC, etc.) for pushing hard to get these wars started:

    As the New York Times’ Thomas Friedman told Ha’aretz in May 2003: ‘Iraq was the war neoconservatives wanted… the war the neoconservatives marketed…. I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office [in Washington]) who, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened.’

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/white-man-s-burden-1.14110?v=FCB8FF9FCA332C307AEADCCD84B3FFEC

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  7. As for the bottom-line, the Russians are likely to end with a fully developed naval, air and ground base in Latakia on the Mediterranean shore

    Bad news for Israel. Good news for the christians of Syria and Lebanon (and Egypt).

    And this marks the end of the short-lived Age of Sole Superpowerdom.

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  8. Thank you.

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  9. {…primary responsibility goes to the neocons/Israel firsters and other members of the Lobby (AIPAC, PNAC, etc.) for pushing hard to get these wars started:}

    No primary responsibility rests with Bush and Cheney.
    They are not Jewish.

    Cheney had his own reasons (Halliburton getting contracts? Interests of his oil industry buddies ?)
    Bush Jr talked about avenging the supposed assassination attempt against his father by Saddam, or that he wanted to be a war president,…..
    Jewish-Americans like Pearl, Wolfowitz, etc certainly joined the bandwagon to destroy one of the potential enemies of Israel: free ride.

    But to shirk off the primary responsibility for Iraq war onto lobbies re-writes history.
    Cheney forced CIA to stovepipe intelligence to gin up a case against Saddam
    If the Anglo-Saxon Establishment did not want that war with Iraq, it would not happen.
    Israel-firsters steered it in their direction as much as they could, but the ship of war had already sailed.
    Lots of interests benefit from wars: military contractors, military personnel – who get promotions, war medals – private mercenaries (Blackwater), construction companies,…

    US taxpayers were fleeced of a couple of trillion in taxes for the useless war.
    All that money did not vanish into thin air.
    Some people in US made a lot of money at the expense of a lot of American taxpayers.

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  10. I doubt Russia’s adventures in Syria are as popular as Shamir claims they are.

    Nevertheless, people tend to rally and support their country in the initial stages of a war. Keep in mind, even the invasion of Iraq was wildly popular with Americans at the beginning.

    But wars are costly and bloody. As this war drags on and Russia becomes more enmeshed in it I doubt Russians will be so supportive of it.

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  11. Plenty of evidence exists that the Jewish Neocons were planning the war 10-20 years in advance. Where is the evidence Bush and Cheney were?

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  12. One day Bibi Netanyahu will say ” ISIS forced US to start the wars on Iraq and Libya and Syria. Look its ISIS who reaped all the benefits . What did Israel get? ”
    He shows that unique potential by asserting today that the Palestinian made Hitler do the Holocaust and still being able to stay in power as the leader of all the Jewish people

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  13. Do you have children, grandchildren? What was your purpose of serving in the army? If you served to protect the future of your children, here is a hint to why the US/RF conflicts in Syria and Ukraine are highly relevant:
    “The Russians are still very keen on friendship with Americans. Being very conservative by nature, the Russians prefer conservative Republicans to the enlightened Democrats… They would prefer to have the US as a friend and partner, though they can’t stand being bossed by the US or being told how to behave, as the Cruise Missile Democrats (in Justin Raimondo’s terms) are prone to do. Even now they try to present their Syrian adventure as being done in partnership with the US. The officials told me they proposed to form a joint contingency plan for rescuing a pilot of a downed plane (Russian or American), as both countries fly missions against the ISIS. They were astonished to get a cold shoulder from the Americans. They say they do the job the Americans failed to do, namely eradicate the terrorist entity. If they suspect that the US had a totally different plan, they do not say so.”
    Here are two points for you to ponder:
    1. the fight with terrorism, which the MSM has been glorifying for the last 14 years and which consumed trillions of dollars, seems to be is not on the US agenda.
    2. the US neocons have been pushing towards the WWIII by creating hot spots around the world and by aggressively infringing onto the areas of existential interests of Russian Federation.
    And of course there is a multitude of MSM “news” that avoid the above points like a plague. (You do not need to suffer somnambulism on Unz Review.)

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  14. You are right. There are shared responsibilities among these war criminals, including the militant think-tanks of Kagans, AEI, and such. The US will stay a sickly nation till the poison of Cheney-Perle-Bush-Wolfowitz-O’Honlon-Rummy and other war mongers is flashed out by means of Nurenberg-like process. Millions died and millions were gravely injured. Numerous lives have been destroyed in order to provide exorbitant money&power delirium for a few.

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  15. Nobody forced President Bush, Commander in Chief of US Armed Forces, to order an illegal, war crime attack on Iraq.

    Pentagon takes orders from POTUS.
    Not AIPAC or other Jewish-American lobbying groups.
    And as far as I know the Bush clan has no Jewish ancestry.
    Neither does Cheney.

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  16. It is curious that you preferred to omit completely the ethical component of RF involvement in Syria as compared to the US involvement there (as well as in Iraq and Libya). Perhaps you need to refresh the info about “old” Libya versus “new” Libya, courtesy neocons’ dream come true.

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  17. But to shirk off the primary responsibility for Iraq war onto lobbies re-writes history.

    This statement contradicts the main thesis of The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy, by Mearsheimer and Walt.

    Are you suggesting these two distinguished professors (one from Harvard, the other from Chicago) have rewritten history?

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  18. The Russians are still very keen on friendship with Americans. There is none of the gut anti-Americanism typical for the Third World.

    Er…

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  19. Putin has no “ethical” considerations in Syria.

    He is trying to prop up Russia’s best ally in the Mideast who just happens to be a brutal tyrant.

    He is also hoping to save Russia’s naval base in Syria.

    Putin could care less about “ethics”.

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  20. Sherman

    Is the World a better place without Russian intervention In Syria?

    Would the Russians have intervened in Syria if the Democratic Party hadn’t murdered three thousand Russian speaking Ukranians over the past year and a half in the Ukraine?

    The Obama administration could care less that Assad is a thug..Whatever argument you are attempting to make collapses right there.

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  21. “While it’s true that the US gov’t started these wars, primary responsibility goes to the neocons/Israel firsters and other members of the Lobby (AIPAC, PNAC, etc.) for pushing hard to get these wars started”

    No No No – the Grand Mufti – did it!

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  22. Vladimir Putin is saving the lives of several thousand Native Born White American Teenagers from the economically distressed American Heartland.

    There is no antiwar movement in the US. Once the antiwar movement got legal homo marriage:WAR IS GOOD!!!!.

    The Democratic Party is threatening the continued survival of the Human Species in the name of legal homo marriage.

    The vile Clintons were spawned in Hell!!!! How the F do the get away with it?

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  23. Excellent response to someone trying absolve the primary culprits.

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  24. Again: I am not contradicting anything.
    Distinguished professors or common folks.

    I am posing this very simple question as above: did any lobby force President Bush (or actual President Cheney) to order US armed forces to illegally attack Iraq ?
    (A war crime by Nuremberg precedent).

    Is the Bush clan Jewish ?
    Is Cheney Jewish ?
    Is Rumsfeld Jewish ?
    Is US Joint Chiefs Jewish ?
    Are all the officers of US military, who have sworn to uphold the US constitution, Jewish ?
    If American military stopped carrying out illegal orders, like Army 1st Lt. Ehren Watada did, the bloodshed that’s is being visited on the world in American people’s name would stop cold.

    As I wrote above: I am well aware of the role of scum like Wolfowitz, Pearl, et al ginning up wars for the benefit of Israel.
    But to put the primary responsibility of Iraq war on Jewish-American lobbies flies in the face of facts.

    You can come up will all sorts of theories, but I know for a fact that President Bush is not Jewish.
    I know for a fact that US armed forces take orders from POTUS, not AIPAC nor ADL, nor any other lobby.

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  25. Yes , and nobody is forcing Congress to cheer Netanyahu .Nobody is asking the GOP Presidential candidates to make promises for future wars against Iran and Palestine or only to agree on anything regarding Middle east if and only after Israel has approved it .
    Nobody forced CNN to fire Sanchez, Kim Clancy, Nassr Oliver, and no one forced the WH to denounce Helen Thomas . No body forced NPR to showcase Dennis Ross and Micheal Oren in book discussion and to ignore Walt and Merscheimer .

    No one asked Cheney why he joined AEI and JINSA then changed his opposition to driving Saddam out.
    No one is asking Bush why he ignored the pre- 911 warnings .
    No one asked Bush how and why he allowed ex felon in cabinet or why he allowed the signatories to PNAC in his cabinet.

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  26. lol

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  27. “Millions died and millions were gravely injured. Numerous lives have been destroyed in order to provide exorbitant money&power delirium for a few.”

    Hasn’t that been the basic nature of government since its inception?

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  28. No primary responsibility rests with Bush and Cheney.

    Cheney, probably. Bush? He was a sock-puppet.

    By the way, Ave, have you never heard of Oded Yinon or the “Clean Break” paper? Before you go pronouncing the neocons innocent, perhaps you should take a gander at this brief primer: http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/22/is-instability-the-goal-of-u-s-mideast-policy/

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  29. A bit off-topic but I spotted this Downfall parody clip about Benjamin Netanyahu (often reffered as “bibi”) who said then it was the Grand Mufti who convinced Hitler to kill Jews.

    A Youtube poster nicknamed Robin Hood posted an interesting rant then I decided to quote an exterpt: “+Emmanuel Bassil, understand why he said what he said. Understand that this move is beyond genius. I mean beyond genius. This is what an IQ of 180+ can do. History may just prove this to be the smartest move Jews have EVER made. The State of Israel is strong now, today’s Israelis look upon European jews from that period as weak, feeble, unable, unwilling to defend themselves. The State of Israel today would never allow another holocaust on its watch without taking the offending nations down with it in fire and hell, the infamous Samson Option. If we go you’re all coming with us.

    Therefore Bibi is signalling to the “anti-Islamist” right within Europe to rise up against those liberals and stop the enforced Islamization of Europe dead in its tracks. He’s basically “absolving” and awakening the European demon that merely sleeps, this is what Merkel absolutely understands. She’s terrified, not of Islam, but of the European right, as is Obama, as is Cameron, as is Hollande et al. Western political leaders have warned that the rightwing EU demon merely sleeps, it hasn’t gone away.

    Bibi is signalling, yes you massacred jews when you felt threatened, you were shamed with guilt, but your were influenced and manipulated by Islam, now it’s time to recognise the new threat to your way of life. In other words, you’re forgiven, you’re absolved from your guilt, you’re new targets are the very same Islamists now invading your lands, threatening your own survival, off you go. “

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  30. Bibi needs to be STOPPED.

    His thinking borders on devilish. I cannot believe he played the card he just did; then again he employed the vary same tactics in the last elections.

    I am simply aghast that the clear possibility of a US-Russian partnership might easily be derailed by his machinations and the pliability of our leadership.

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  31. “Cheney, probably. Bush? He was a sock-puppet.”

    Yes, indeed.

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  32. At least Putin cares for his own people.

    Unlike our do-as-racist-Israel-says regime.

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  33. You’re not a war criminal for writing a book or advocating a policy.

    You’re a war criminal for either committing or ordering atrocities during a war.

    This means that if the invasion of Iraq was a war crime, Bush, Rice, Powell, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Blair and Brown were all war criminals while Perle and that lot were merely exercising free speech.

    Or if we are trying those who supported the Iraq War then we’d need to try a majority of Americans; but then again we’d need to try the vast majority of Sunni Muslims for supporting the Sunnis in Syria, the Chinese population for supporting the occupation of Tibet and actually just about everyone in the world for something or another.

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  34. Has any power ever intervened in the middle east and not had their fingers burned? Remember “Mission Accomplished” as Bush landed on a returning aircraft carrier after the apparent success of Operation Iraqi Freedom? In took the US two weeks to conquer Baghdad. Then a period of calm, new elections then all hell broke loose as Iraq disintegrated as a unified state.

    My guess is Russia and Iran are not going to be able to put Syria back together again with only a few thousand men especially if Turkey and the Gulf Arabs are willing to keep arming the Sunni majority. Then there are the ‘terrorists’. The real terrorists, not the rebels fighting Assad’s army. If Islamic State can conduct 50 to 100 suicide bombings per month in support of their operations in Iraq and Syria, sending some of these ‘volunteers’ into Russia itself is only a matter of time and target selection.

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  35. all hell broke loose because the fucking bush and his fuckers disbanded the military and allowed rioters free reign. get your facts together before posting.

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  36. You can come up will all sorts of theories, but I know for a fact that President Bush is not Jewish.
    I know for a fact that US armed forces take orders from POTUS, not AIPAC nor ADL, nor any other lobby.

    Perhaps an analogy may be useful here. Have you seen the movie Casino Jack? It’s a story about the life of the infamous influence pedlar, Jack Abramoff. IIRC, the movie starts out with a scene where two guys pull up to another car waiting at an intersection and proceed to pump him full of bullets. The two men, named Big Tony and Little Tony were later arrested and served a prison sentence, after being convicted. What we discover a little later is that Jack A and his partner were the ones who had put out the contract for this killing.

    So who would you say bears primary responsibility in this instance: the two schmucks who pulled the trigger, or JA and his partner, who were the eminence grise behind the scenes?

    The same principle applies to the invasion of Iraq. While it’s true that Bush and Cheney ordered the invasion, the neocons/Israel firsters and other members of the Lobby were the real eminence grise behind the scenes.

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  37. Putin has no “ethical” considerations in Syria.

    He is trying to prop up Russia’s best ally in the Mideast who just happens to be a brutal tyrant.

    He is also hoping to save Russia’s naval base in Syria.

    Putin could care less about “ethics”.

    While this is all doubtless correct, it should be noted that the only plausible replacement for Assad, is some ISIS or Al-Qaeda/”Al-Nusra Front” thug, who would initiate ethnic cleansing of the Christian and Alawaite communities. So Assad is the best of a bad lot. Assad is a brutal tyrant for the same reason Saddam Hussein was ie., because that’s the only way to prevent civil war in that part of the world. Tragically, Mossad, the CIA, and the Saudi & Turkish intelligence agencies, were able to combine, and foment civil war there regardless. It would be a disaster if they were permitted to be successful in their effort to dethrone Assad, so Putin is working on the side of what is right & good, irrespective of his intent.

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  38. Coup d’Etat:A Practical Handbook
    By Edward Luttwak,military expert,advisor to Reagan ‘s National Security
    Connected to CIA,to JINSA
    and Harvard

    Preconditions for a Coup-
    1 Political participation is limited to small fraction of the citizen
    2 Independence from foreign power influence
    3 one or interconnected multiplr centers who are structured by political ideas rather than ethically or religiously .
    ” Without a politicized population,the State is nothing other than a machine. Then the Coup d’ Etat becomes feasible because,like every machine,one can take control of everything by grasping the essential levers”
    He says State bureaucracy[ Machine] has to divide its work into clear- cut areas of competence which are assigned to different departments. Within each department there must be an accepted chain of command,and standard procedures have to be followed. Thus a given piece of information,or a given order,is followed up in a stereotyped manner,and if the order comes from the appropriate source at the appropriate level,it is carried out… The apparatus of the State is therefore to some extent a ” machine” which will normally behave in a fairly predictable and automatic manner”

    He says” All power ,all participation,is in the hands of the small educated elite,and therefore radically different ‘ from the rest….

    36- 41 ,Ch 3
    neo -CONNED AGAIN

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  39. Bibi is signalling to the “anti-Islamist” right within Europe to rise up against those liberals and stop the enforced Islamization of Europe dead in its tracks. He’s basically “absolving” and awakening the European demon that merely sleeps, this is what Merkel absolutely understands. She’s terrified, not of Islam, but of the European right, as is Obama, as is Cameron, as is Hollande et al. Western political leaders have warned that the rightwing EU demon merely sleeps, it hasn’t gone away.

    Bibi is signalling, yes you massacred jews when you felt threatened, you were shamed with guilt, but your were influenced and manipulated by Islam, now it’s time to recognise the new threat to your way of life. In other words, you’re forgiven, you’re absolved from your guilt, you’re new targets are the very same Islamists now invading your lands, threatening your own survival, off you go. “

    That’s a fascinating analysis, and you may well be correct (its the only explanation that doesn’t leave ol’ “Bibi” looking like the victim of a tragic head injury). But I fear it will have to be reiterated, and/or stated more bluntly, in order to have the desired effect. I hope you’re right, and I hope it works.

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  40. His (Netanyahu) thinking borders on devilish. I cannot believe he played the card he just did; then again he employed the vary same tactics in the last elections.”

    Sam,

    This is a major screw up on the part of His Face. Zionism has 60 years invested in the big lie six million holocaust story. Changing it now casts doubts on the whole story. It makes believing people think and question – is it true, half true, 25% true, not true at all.

    And of course everyone with half a brain, knows why he said that – 100% for sure he wants the OK, the justification, to kill more and more Palestinians. He thinks he has the media power to slam this new big lie down peoples throats.

    p.s. His Face will be immortalized by the look he gave the whole world at the UN. If looks could kill, we all would be dead.

    Art

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  41. So in your mind who deserves the most blame: An assassin or the person who paid the assassin to kill a particular person?

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  42. {By the way, Ave,…before you go pronouncing the neocons innocent,}

    Seamus Padraig: show me where I pronounced neocons “innocent”.
    Show me or withdraw your assertion, Seam.

    This is what I wrote: “But to put the primary responsibility of Iraq war on Jewish-American lobbies flies in the face of facts.”

    Bush, Cheney, US joint chiefs, Pentagon, CIA,…..all were in on it.
    You want to indict J-A lobbies, fine with me: no friends of mine.

    (I despise the whole lot for very personal reasons: AIPAC, ADL, and a bunch other reptiles have been carrying water for Denialist Turks in US, in their anti-ArmenianAmerican AG denialist campaigns….Israel has sold military equipment to Caucasus Turks (“Azeris”) being used to kill Armenian young soldiers at the border with Azerbaijan)

    But letting Bush & Co off the hook for actually ordering US military to go and kill people who had not attacked America simply shifts the primary blame to those who advocated violence (JA Lobbies) from those who actually gave the order to carry out the killing of Iraqis: POTUS, Veep, Pentagon,……

    Is that not a fact ?

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  43. This means that if the invasion of Iraq was a war crime…

    On the legality of the invasion, see my previous comment:

    http://www.unz.com/article/where-are-they-now/#comment-1000941

    … while Perle and that lot were merely exercising free speech.

    See comment #36 for my rebuttal to this nonsense.

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  44. Hi Little Art,

    “If looks could kill we would all be dead”

    I get the impression you’re no big beauty yourself!

    Sherman

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  45. How would you know anything about the domestic support levels for Putin?

    Russia did not “invade” Syria, the Russians were legally asked for help by Syria.

    The Russians will not drag this out, they will get all vested interests to negotiate after the worst of the worst are rolled up by themselves, Hezbollah, and the Iranians.

    Of course Israel Firsters like yourself are furious for not getting their way in Syria.

    Get used to it, times are a changin’.

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  46. I think he is basically attempting to align with his objectives, the European Right and Middle, most of whom are opposed to muslim refugees, contrary to the pronouncements of the EU elites. Using the Holocaust was shameless (regardless of what anyone believes the numbers that perished, Jewish or Gentile)

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  47. … regardless of what anyone believes the numbers that perished, Jewish or Gentile

    Sam, speaking of numbers, you’re missing out on all the action taking place on another thread, Flagless Germany.

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  48. I can just see the gleam in Cheney’s eye’s and the drool dripping when Wolfowitz declared Iraqi oil would pay for the whole war. I suppose you are blissfully unaware of the story of William Fulbright and several other politicians who chose to stand up to the Jewish lobby?

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  49. Sorry, but as soon as I hit this:

    Instigated by the British in 1920s and by the Americans after 2003 in occupied Iraq, Sunni-Shia enmity adds a complication to the problem.

    I began questioning the author’s objectivity. The major elements of Sunni-Shia enmity began long ago and have little to do with non-Islamic countries.

    And didn’t some of those fabulous Russian cruise missiles hit Iran (the wrong country)?

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  50. Nah. That’s more Israeli propaganda And why do Europeans need Israeli guidance regarding their own internal affairs?

    And I always enjoy the Samson threat. Got us scared. OK. You take out Prague and we’ll take all of you out. That’s about the magnitude of the Samson option.

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  51. I am blissfully aware that the duly elected and sworn-in US President G.W. Bush ordered US military to illegally attack and destroy Iraq.
    Sorry “Liberate and bring democracy to Aayraaq and thems Asyraabs”.

    I am blissfully aware that US military carried out those illegal orders and caused the deaths of 100s of 1000s of Iraqis.

    You listing some person who stood up to the Jewish lobby does not change the fact that POTUS G.W. Bush, a non-Jewish Anglo-Saxon blue-blood, gave the orders for invading Iraq.

    Did various Jewish lobbies goad him into doing it ?
    Of course they did.
    But if he was not already predisposed to attack Iraq, no amount of goading would make him do it. He was/is and adult, was elected, was sworn-in, and all that….

    Was he or was he not the Commander in Chief ?
    End of story.

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  52. … your were influenced and manipulated by Islam

    Truth be told, we are influenced and manipulated by the neocons/Zionists.

    Have you heard of The Clarion Fund? It’s a Zionist front group that has produced a trilogy of films – Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West, The Third Jihad, and Iranium – in an effort to get the goy to get there act together and re-embrace nationalism, especially in Europe, where the birthrate of Muslims is outstripping that of Christians. The concern is that the jungle will be expanding rather than contracting, thereby making it less safe for the villa. And with the recent influx of refugees, the problem will only get worse.

    So, it looks like Bibi is merely picking up where the Clarion Fund left off.

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  53. Basically, Netanyahu is saying that Hitler was originally on the same page as the Zionists: they both wanted jews out of Europe. If that palestinian mufti, a sunni btw, had not pissed in Hitler’s ears the Holocaust would not have happened.

    The big winners here are the germans. All the goodwill they have recently earned for showing such great compassion to refugees from the chaos in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya….and now this surprise gift from the charismatic leader of the jewish people.

    The big loser is the Holocaust Industry.

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  54. There is something quite curious about Netanyahu (Mileikowsky)’ insane rants, namely that he had a funny idea that people are not aware about the role of Jews in the Russian Socialist Revolution. Netanyahue put himself into a house of glass. Who would believe that Mr. Shagall (whose hapless creations grace some important cultural centers in Europe and the US) was a red commissar of art in his native Belorussia? What about Trotsky (the founder and first leader of the Red Army), Sverdlov (a Bolshevik party leader and chairman of the All-Russian Central Executive Committee), Yagoda (director of the NKVD), Zemlyachka (“the most brutal mass murderer”), and a long list of Jewish apparatchiks in the KGB, all of which were actively involved into bloodletting of gigantic proportion during the Russian civil war and Great Purges. There were certainly the tragic Jewish martyrs like a theatre director Meyerhold and the great poet Mandelshtam. However, the systematic destruction of the old Russian state after the WWI had been pushed to limits by a bunch of highly aggressive and audacious activists among which Jews were presented highly disproportionately (comparable to the current percentage of Jews among the US neocons and policy makers). Eventually, some of the Soviet Jews became victims of red terror, while others prospered till old age.

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/ActionReport/AR15/KGB_Jewish.html

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  55. Your imagination is running wild. Your argument is just an emotional appeal through a poorly thought out analogy to a fairly mediocre Hollywood film.

    Who pulled the the trigger in Iraq? Individual soldiers. Who gave the order? Bush.

    You might say Perle and Co. inspired Bush, but how on earth would Perle order him. What threat could he possibly make?

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  56. in an effort to get the goy to get there act together and re-embrace nationalism, especially in Europe, where the birthrate of Muslims is outstripping that of Christians

    And you think that sane Europeans should hold this against the Israelis? What next? I should hate a doctor for reminding me to eat fruit and vegetables?

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  58. But letting Bush & Co off the hook for actually ordering US military to go and kill people who had not attacked America simply shifts the primary blame to those who advocated violence (JA Lobbies) from those who actually gave the order to carry out the killing of Iraqis …

    I’m not letting Bush off the hook. Personally, I think he ought to be put on trial for war crimes. Even if he wasn’t smart enough to know that the whole war was a setup, he was at least smart enough to know that it was:

    1.) illegal under international law
    2.) immoral and unnecessary, since Iraq never attacked the US (or could have)

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  59. {…systematic destruction of the old Russian state}.

    systematic destruction of the old Orthodox Christian Russian state.

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  60. Avery, I think the real tragedy of Jewish American life is the way the Jewish people are marginalized and have to fight even to have their voices heard. It’s a darn shame, and proof of the anti-Semitism that lurks in the hearts of even the most apparently righteous. The poor Jews! Eternally denied agency. Man, them and the Kurds.

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  61. thx Geo, things did appear a bit quiet and I was wondering ….

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  62. Who pulled the the trigger in Iraq? Individual soldiers. Who gave the order? Bush.

    I think greysquirrel succinctly captured the point I was trying to make:

    So in your mind who deserves the most blame: An assassin or the person who paid the assassin to kill a particular person?

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  63. What next? I should hate a doctor for reminding me to eat fruit and vegetables?

    Sounds reasonable, but what if it was the same doctor who earlier assured you it was ok to eat junk food:

    The question that has to be asked is: who… is responsible for promoting Political Correctness (PC)?

    The brain-trust behind the promotion of PC is the Frankfurt School. The FS identified nationalism as the root cause of the holocaust. To ensure that another holocaust never occurred again, the FS prescribed cultural Marxism (better known as Political Correctness) as the antidote to nationalism.

    Theodor W. Adorno, a leading member of the Frankfurt School of critical theory, wrote The Authoritarian Personality in 1950. In it, Adorno invented a set of criteria by which to define personality traits, ranking them on what he called the ‘Fascist scale’.

    Here’s how one observer characterized the book’s goal:

    [it] was to eliminate antisemitism by “subjecting the American people to what amounted to collective psychotherapy — by treating them as inmates of an insane asylum.”

    So, is it any wonder the goy are a little confused about what their diet should consist of?

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  64. Sounds reasonable, but what if it was the same doctor who earlier assured you it was ok to eat junk food

    I’d be impressed that the doctor had the decency to admit his mistake. Although, of course, in this case, the advice was given by different people, so the analogy is not applicable.

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  65. Meanwhile, the MH17 investigation is getting closer to the final truth. The Dutch, US, and Ukrainian sides appear together as a Party of Sabotage: “Who is committed to fully investigate MH17 tragedy?” http://thesaker.is/who-is-committed-to-fully-investigate-mh17-tragedy/

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  66. I think the real tragedy of Jewish American life is the way the Jewish people are marginalized and have to fight even to have their voices heard.

    Actually, this is kinda true, in respect to Jews and the Iraq War.

    From Gallup in 2007: Among Religious Groups, Jewish Americans Most Strongly Oppose War.

    In the run up to war, when the American public strongly supported the coming invasion, the Jews were evenly split. In 2003 and 2004, when the Americans still supported the war, Jews were already opposed. And in 2007, when a slight majority of general public turned against the war, the Jews opposed it by a huge margin.

    But guess which religious group was the most strongly pro-war (almost a mirror image of Jews.)

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  67. Don’t you know that all of the Jews hatched a secret plan to lie to the pollsters to hide their support for the Iraq War.

    You can see all Jew’s real opinions through the words of a handful of neocon Jewish intellectuals. Why look at 6 million people when you can look at 6?

    Basically ‘Jew’ is a synonym for ‘person I don’t agree with’ so if a Jew agrees with me then he’s lying and if a definite non-Jew disagrees with me then he’s actually a puppet. Also, if I’m not certain that someone who disagrees with me is not Jewish and he is ugly then he is obviously a secret Jew.

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  69. Although, of course, in this case, the advice was given by different people, so the analogy is not applicable.

    Not quite. Different individuals, but the same people.

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  70. The Syrian mess is not the creation of United States. It was imposed upon Washington by the powerful neocons (mostly Jewish) some of whom authored the notorious “Clean Break” document for Benjamin Netanyahu’s first regime in the 1990s. Now, over a dozen Israeli poodles lead by Barack Ben Obama are trying their best to topple Bashar Assad so they can make Libya out of Iran which is the only regional country that has the courage to dismantle the illegal Zionist regime in the Middle East.

    On July 4, 2011, a conference of Syrian anti-regime groups was held in Saint-Germain in France. The meeting was attended by 200 people representing none of the Syrian groups calling for reforms in Syria – the ‘Democratic change in Syria’. The meeting was organized by La Regle du Jeu (The Rule of the Game) magazine and website which is headed by Zionist Jew Bernard-Henri Levy. The other Zionist Jews who attended the meeting included Bernard Kouchner, former French foreign minister, Frederik Ansel, a member of Israel’s ruling Likud Party, Alex Goldfarb, former Knesset member and adviser to Israeli defense minister Ehud Barak and Andre Glucksmann, an Islamophobe French writer.

    http://rehmat1.com/2011/07/08/israeli-conference-on-syria/

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  71. If you read the figures supplied in your link, rather than your own misleading summary of them, the takeaway is that opinions on the war were closely correlated with general partisan stance. Except for Jews. They alone were much more supportive of the war than one would expect from their average party alignment. Not quite the impression you wanted to create, is it?

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  72. Obama has held off on attacking Syria though. He has been under a lot of pressure from the Euros, Hillary and most especially from the Turks and the Gulf Arabs. Remember he got a lot of flack for not following through with his RedLine ultimatum.

    Obama is a non interventionist, compared to the past candidates (excepting Ron Paul) ; but Paul was never a mainstream candidate. Obama didn’t even want to get involved in Libya and had to pushed by NeoCons, Hillary , the French and Brits to do so.

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  73. Which part of this :

    But a closer analysis of the data show that Jewish war opposition goes beyond their basic political leanings. Jewish people are more likely to oppose the war than non-Jews of the same political persuasion. For example, 89% of Jewish Democrats oppose the Iraq war, compared with 78% of all non-Jewish Democrats.

    did you not understand or wish to refute?

    Beyond your convoluted (very likely assertions based including democrat-leaning Independent Jews) or plainly flawed reading of the results (the actual raw data of the samples are not presented, except the averages and sampling errors, so don’t bandy ‘correlation’ around as it has a precise definition), it actually shows that jews were atypical in their opposition among the non-democrats by a wide margin (1.94 times as many opposed as other non-democrats) and among democrats by a factor 1.14.

    Are you as thick as the beasts in the field?

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  74. Ah yes, and doubtless this groundswell of opposition to the invasion of Iraq is reflected in an outpouring of brilliant, witty invective, learned arguments drawing on 3000 years of history from Moses to Sandy Koufax, and wry, self deprecating humor! No doubt the prime minister of the state of Israel cautioned the blustering Americans about the wisdom of a cautious path, about looking before you leap. The Jewish people tend to punch all out of their weight class when it comes to influencing public opinion—-and doubtless it is so in this case.

    As Dashiell Hammett said in another context, tell me another one. I haven’t laughed this hard since the hogs ate my kid brother.

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  75. Wow, dude. Six million. I guess you felt you had to go there, didn’t you? I am quite sure that there are places where the level of argument you displayed in your comment would be quite impressive. I’m not sure this is one of them.

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  76. It pains me to say this, as I find Obama to be a lightweight grievance monger and despise his domestic policies, but there has been many a day in the last few years I have literally thanked God on high that Obama was the president, vice Romney or (shudder) Mad Bomber John. I don’t like much of Obama’s foreign policy either come to think of it, but he has been remarkably non-interventionist for a United States president.

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  77. Do you want to know who provided the impetus to the Iraq war?
    You should look into who have been instigating and promoting war and sanctions against Iran?

    The modus operandi is same . Media,think tanks, Syndicated columnists , donors , and the eteranlly ever dependent politicians are interconnected like dots wired by the Zionsim who light up together knowing perfectly well what to say or do in any given circumstances and know the fates that would befall if not said or done.

    Where do the Jewish people stand here? Ask them what do they think of Iran, Iraq, and Palestinian,? Where do they derive those ideas from?
    Ask them why they don’t challenge there leaders and elders?
    Ask them why they agree with the lies that thir leaders have been spreading bout Arab,about,Iraq,and Iran!
    This might show the real relevance of thir contribution to these wars in Middle east including Iraq war, Lebanon war, Operation cast lead and violence against Palestinin and help us understand the cries stemming from Ross,Krauthammer,Goldberg and Netanyahu because Iran war still hasn’t happened.
    Jews majority is silent but their leaders and Rabbi aren’t challenged . Sheldon does not have to be worried of ex communication ( canceling of Bar Mitzvah ) but Goldstein ( S Africa who documented the UN report on Gaza assault) will pay the price.

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  78. Yes. You are right in blaming Bush for the war.

    But what did he face and from what quarter did he face when he showed reluctance in attacking Iran?
    He cited NIE assessment.
    Who were denigrating NIE assessments? Same people within US and from Israel! They were asking him to ignore .

    And you know what these psychopaths were saying ?
    These psychopaths were saying ” Intelligence can’t be relied because the intelligence failed so miserably over Iraq! “

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  79. Question is would the Americans have gone to war without the relentless persuasion by the Zionists . Answer is no.
    Without the lies manufactured by Lantos ,America would not have supported its Iraq war .

    It is true that the its war against Iraq also should be blamed to the false testimonies by Kuwaitis But Kuwaitis could not start war without Lantos.
    Lantos ,though can with a little help from Solarz and Dine of AIPAC .

    Without Perle ,Wolofowiz,Libby,Luti,Shulski. Ilena Roth ,Kraithmmer, Kristol,Pofohoretz,and Goldberg nd Judy Miller – there would have been no Iraq war 2 .
    They controlled the narrative on media . They made sure the dissidence lies buried in the back pages in small prints and not heard or seen on TV . They inflamed the narrative . American crowd was worked on day and night to war fever . Bush can’t say no . He couldn’t say when he was looking for fame , cover his own dereliction of duties missteps ,judt fre months ago was ignoring threat from Al Quida.

    On the side I will refer to the demands of Ross and Indyk in mid 1980 that the US should not allow any Arab in the American team involved in negotiation of Middle East conflicts.
    They were not shunned dismissed and ridiculed . They were not called to the carpet . They actually succeeded.
    Another guy by name Kristol gloated that his ilk had got the State Dept ridden of ” all Arabist”

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  80. Six million in this instance, refers to the Jewish population of the U.S. Learn to read comments from logical people in the context of the discussion and not your own obsessive interpretations

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  81. I am quite familiar with the parties that promoted the war in Iraq. I am also very familiar with the suffering that continues in the ME. The point of that comment however, was specifically directed at misinterpretations of the poll in question, one which provides information regarding the popular sentiments and support for the war.

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  82. You need some similes of your own, Scam Shameful. As well as some help writing English prose that would be minimally grammatical and comprehensible, and understanding such when written by others. Other than that, Scam, you’re good to go.

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  84. {Bush can’t say no . He couldn’t say when he was looking for fame , cover his own dereliction of duties missteps}

    I like your assessment.
    And you read Bush Jr correctly.
    He was a man-child POTUS, and the people you listed (….don’t forget Cheney and other unnamed war-profiteers), manipulated the man-child, stroked his ego,….and off they went to Aayraaq.

    A few years back, the same crowd tried to goad Bush Sr to continue on into Iraq (after Kuwait), and “liberate” Iraq.
    Bush Sr would not go for it: he was an adult, he had seen war and blood up close, and he had the intestinal fortitude to say “No” to the yapping dogs of war.

    The presence and influence of that crowd on the American foreign policy is very corrosive and unhealthy for the American people and American taxpayer. And it is up to us, American people, to block them.
    Ordinary people never benefit from war of aggression: their young sons get killed in foreign lands, and they end up footing the bill for the illegal wars.
    And in my opinion, there is now some pushback from American people.
    Depsite the Neocons’ tireless efforts to have US bomb Iran, on behalf of Israel, it didn’t happen.
    Warmongers were shouted down.
    There is now a concerted effort by the same crowd to poison the Iran agreement and create trouble, but it is not getting traction in US.
    So maybe American people have had enough and are finally waking up from their hibernation.

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  85. The point of that comment however, was specifically directed at misinterpretations of the poll in question, ….

    Fair enough, Sam. But I’m more interested in your take on who bears more responsibility for the invasion of Iraq: those who ordered it or those who pushed for it? Or as greysquirrel so aptly put it:

    So in your mind who deserves the most blame: An assassin or the person who paid the assassin to kill a particular person?

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  86. “Sheldon does not have to be worried of ex communication ( canceling of Bar Mitzvah ) but Goldstein ( S Africa who documented the UN report on Gaza assault) will pay the price.” True.

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  87. “…Kristol gloated that his ilk had got the State Dept ridden of ” all Arabist.”
    The State Department did indeed rid itself of knowledgeable Arabists such as the honorable Colonel Patrick Lang: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2003/05/12/selective-intelligence

    The noisy and unprincipled crowd made of progeny of the East European Jews from provincial shtettles, has been guiding the US war machine towards the bloody extermination of the Jews’ “historical enemies” in the Middle East. Here they are: Richard Perle, Wolfowitz, Libby, Shulsky, William Luti, Douglas Feith, Krauthummer, Kristol, Podhoretz, Judy Miller, and the currently influential cabal of Kagans (including Nuland-Kagan). They do deserve to be called bloody war criminals for their hateful and warmongering activities (nicely rewarded, by the way). What is truly curious is the total tolerance towards these agitators for the war: they are not harassed by the suffering US citizenry. Take a note that none of the leading Jewish agitators for Middle Eastern wars has ever considered sending their own children to serve in the US Army.

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  88. Sam Shama: Deduction is logical? Well, I guess if you phrase it that way, I suppose it is! However, if you’re asserting that the commentor here who employs the nom de plume* Deduction is logical, then we might have an argument on our hands. So far as I can tell, the Jewish population of the United States is NOT “six million.” The Jewish Virtual Library says the population is 6.768 million, with “core Jews” being 5.45 million. I’ll just sit here with my “obsessive interpretations” and chalk it up to the famous Jewish indifference to precision.

    You have to admit, that six million number does seem to pop up from time to time.

    Oh, and more on point: did Deduction do anything but say “everyone hates the Jews”?

    * come on, give me credit for not using “nom de hasbara”!

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  89. 1 Palestinian Attacks Fueled by Settler Violence, Senior Israeli Commander Says

    Former West Bank division commander testifies in court against right-wing extremist

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.681956

    –But no one tells that CNN or WSJ or FOX
    2 Now we have a report that a notable authority disagrees with Netanyahu’s assessment: the Israeli Atomic Energy Commission. This is the body that advises the government—that is, Netanyahu’s government—on nuclear matters. The commission, according to a report yesterday in Haaretz, found that the Iran nuclear deal was likely to prevent Iran from getting the bomb. According to Haaretz:

    The commission’s members say they are convinced that the April 2 agreement between Iran and the world powers will prevent Iran from developing a nuclear bomb. In recent years these experts have been analyzing information about Iran’s nuclear project, and estimating how far away the Islamic Republic was from developing a bomb.

    The panel went on to say that if Iran does cheat on the terms of the deal, it would be detected—which is exactly what Barack Obama has said. Likewise, Netanyahu and his stateside allies had attacked a provision on the deal that gave a 24-day review period to adjudicate disputed snap inspections of alleged undeclared nuclear sites. The Israeli nuclear commission, according to the report, took the side of most nuclear experts in stating that inspections technology and the nature of nuclear work is such that 24 days would not be enough to hide any such efforts

    http://lobelog.com/israeli-nuclear-board-okays-the-iran-deal/

    3 Last week, MSNBC aired a map showing the loss of Palestinian land to Zionist settlers and then to Israel from 1946 to the present. Following criticism from Israelis and their supporters, MSNBC apologized and stated that the map was incorrect. But was it? Here is a fact check of MSNBC’s map and the criticisms of it. – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/#sthash.yHGDYHmt.dpuf
    Again CNN or FOX wont cite the consensus .
    4 Two weeks ago, the New York Times appended editorial notes and made numerous edits to Rick Gladstone’s timely piece about scholarly doubts over whether Jewish temples ever stood on the present site of the al Aqsa plaza. The final version of the article completely altered the intention of the article to appease Jewish critics, and unconvincingly blamed Gladstone for misstating his central thesis. (The Mondoweiss coverage is here and here.) – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/effectiveness-intimidate-reached#sthash.8rhfVku4.dpuf

    These are all in a day’s work. This is the media does to the souls of the Americans . With the distorted information base , the attendees at the town hall meetings of Trump , Carson or Cruz question the Iran Deal, vulnerability of Israel,and the threat to American from the ISIS ( yes ,their imagination migrate like a flowing robe to cover Palestine and Iran with ISIS )

    Next the cudgel is picked up by FOX or CNN to bombard Mc Cain or Graham or Krauthameer /Kristol with the question : What is your answers to the concerns Americans have ,knowing fully well what the replies would be .

    Obama will come under pressure to maintain peace within administration and H Clinton will join the chorus: This is not a partisan issue .I have been always steadfast supporter of Israel. I fully support confronting Palestinian terrorists and Iranian ploys .

    Someone will cite the tremendous bipartisan support that Israel enjoys which also might be explained as Gentile’s obsession with war,if the altered situation demands it.

    ——Way back in 1914 Barndeis, Frankfurter , Judge Julian Mack,Rabbi Stephen Wise,Thomas Gregory , Josephius Daniel, played Americans for a fool through the channels and contacts in the elite bodies of the US governments and got the country moving to war,war preparations,supporting Balfour,and scuttling Turkey -US peace treaty .

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  90. Listen clod, my ability to write English prose, as I am multi-tasking, is far superior than your typically proffered, awkward three liners, and should I need any further improvement I would seek it at my Alma Mater, an institution quite beyond your pedestrian reach.

    More importantly, duffer, why don’t you attempt to refute the blockquote I highlighted in my response earlier in the thread?

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  91. Thanks
    Who knows may be Arab and Islam will face the same future the Europeans and Christians did in 1900 onwards . May be US would suffer the way those corrupted regimes suffered.
    But hope ,the next power would read the history behind the headlight and stay vigilant.

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  92. More on Turkey and Syria:

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2015/10/did-putin-just-establish-a-red-line-ttg.html#comments

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  93. Certainly the person which ordered the act. You know very well my position re: the culpability of the neocons in the administration. However it taxes credulity, when the claim is GWB was some cloddish assassin, entirely devoid of free will, when we know full well, that that is as from the truth as can be.

    There were many Jewish “intellectuals” among the ranks of the neocons, that is indisputable, claiming otherwise would be dishonest, just as much as claiming GWB/Rummy/Cheney were non compos mentis or led as so many halfwits down the path of moral turpitude.

    It is quite true that the Jewish community at large, was deeply opposed to the war. I do acknowledge however, KA and annamarina’s position that we can do more and indeed should have done more to make our voices heard.

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  94. we might have an argument on our hands. So far as I can tell, the Jewish population of the United States is NOT “six million.” The Jewish Virtual Library says the population is 6.768 million, with “core Jews” being 5.45 million.

    Well of course we could get really precise, just in order to have an ‘argument’, and state the exact population down to the last man, woman and child: 6,768,321 :-)

    Or we could ask ourselves the simple question as to why Deduction would even consider “asking” the question to the dead, as you oddly inferred, n’est ce pas?

    Perhaps you had ouija board games in mind?

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  95. Thanks for putting your response on the record, Sam.

    So in your mind, Big Tony and Little Tony deserve a longer prison sentence than Jack Abramoff and his partner, who put out the contact for the killing… interesting perspective.

    btw – I was also struck by how you chose to limit the culpability of those who pushed for this war to those in the administration.

    Wouldn’t you agree that that is not really a fair characterization of things, as there were very many more neocons/Israel firsters outside of the administration who pushed for this war, as Thomas Fiedman pointed out:

    ‘Iraq was the war neoconservatives wanted… the war the neoconservatives marketed…. I could give you the names of 25 people (all of whom are at this moment within a five-block radius of this office [in Washington]) who, if you had exiled them to a desert island a year and half ago, the Iraq war would not have happened.’

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  96. [as I am multi-tasking]

    Naff much, Scam?

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  97. Sod off chav. Give you a bean for it.

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  98. Geo,
    He (Friedman) might be right and I speak only of the luminaries I am familiar with. You must have noticed I held ourselves responsible for not making our voices heard quite enough. How can you, as an American sincerely proclaim that the POTUS, VPOTUS, Secy of Defence, Secy of State were helpless puppets in the hands of a band of neocons? Does it make any sense? For if that were true, why could these all powerful Jewish neocons not scupper the Iran Deal?

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  99. How can you, as an American sincerely proclaim that the POTUS, VPOTUS, Secy of Defence, Secy of State were helpless puppets in the hands of a band of neocons? Does it make any sense?

    Sam, could you point to where I claimed that these people were “helpless puppets”? I hold them accountable for ordering an invasion of a sovereign country and committing the supreme international crime by launching a war of aggression. The only point I was making about Big Tony and Little Tony is that the Lobby was acting as the eminence grise behind the scenes and that its members, who pushed for this war, are more responsible for it and, therefore, should serve longer and harsher penalties.

    For if that were true, why could these all powerful Jewish neocons not scupper the Iran Deal?

    As I’ve repeatedly pointed out, the 2016 elections are sure to usher in someone who will be a little more eager to do the bidding of the Lobby… so let’s not count them out just yet.

    Oh, and btw, I am a Cdn citizen.

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  100. Sam, could you point to where I claimed that these people were “helpless puppets”? I hold them accountable for ordering an invasion of a sovereign country and committing the supreme international crime by launching a war of aggression.

    Well I concede that you did not call them puppets. I suppose I found the overall tone of comments (not yours actually) indicative of a clear willingness to lay the blame squarely and exclusively on the Jewish neocons, with GWB and his crew acting as lowly “button men”.

    As I’ve repeatedly pointed out, the 2016 elections are sure to usher in someone who will be a little more eager to do the bidding of the Lobby… so let’s not count them out just yet.

    Not if the Donald were to win!

    Canadian eh? :-) that would explain the palpably gentle soul!

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  101. Sam, speaking of gentle souls, I did a little snooping on the Internet and came across a family portrait with what looks like the father seated in the middle, with the mother and son book-ending the daughter in the middle, standing above him. That wouldn’t happen to be you on the left, would it?

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  102. Hot off the press.

    Two establishment Jews (Harvard and Microsoft) endorse boycott of Israel and ‘single state’ in Washington Post – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/prestige-microsoft-researcher#sthash.uUySrcxg.dpuf

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    We are lifelong Zionists. Here’s why we’ve chosen to boycott Israel.

    Steven Levitsky is a professor of government at Harvard University. Glen Weyl is an assistant professor of economics and law at the University of Chicago.

    We are lifelong Zionists. Like other progressive Jews, our support for Israel has been founded on two convictions: first, that a state was necessary to protect our people from future disaster; and second, that any Jewish state would be democratic, embracing the values of universal human rights that many took as a lesson of the Holocaust. Undemocratic measures undertaken in pursuit of Israel’s survival, such as the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza and the denial of basic rights to Palestinians living there, were understood to be temporary.

    But we must face reality: The occupation has become permanent. Nearly half a century after the Six-Day War, Israel is settling into the apartheid-like regime against which many of its former leaders warned. The settler population in the West Bank has grown 30-fold, from about 12,000 in 1980 to 389,000 today. The West Bank is increasingly treated as part of Israel, with the green line demarcating the occupied territories erased from many maps. Israeli President Reuven Rivlin declared recently that control over the West Bank is “not a matter of political debate. It is a basic fact of modern Zionism.”

    This “basic fact” poses an ethical dilemma for American Jews: Can we continue to embrace a state that permanently denies basic rights to another people? Yet it also poses a problem from a Zionist perspective: Israel has embarked on a path that threatens its very existence.

    As happened in the cases of Rhodesia and South Africa, Israel’s permanent subjugation of Palestinians will inevitably isolate it from Western democracies. Not only is European support for Israel waning, but also U.S. public opinion — once seemingly rock solid — has begun to shift as well, especially among millennials. International pariah status is hardly a recipe for Israel’s survival.

    At home, the occupation is exacerbating demographic pressures that threaten to tear Israeli society apart. The growth of the settler and ultra-orthodox populations has stoked Jewish chauvinism and further alienated the growing Arab population. Divided into increasingly irreconcilable communities, Israel risks losing the minimum of mutual tolerance that is necessary for any democratic society. In such a context, violence like the recent wave of attacks in Jerusalem and the West Bank is virtually bound to become normal.

    Finally, occupation threatens the security it was meant to ensure. Israel’s security situation has changed dramatically since the 1967 and 1973 wars. Peace with Egypt and Jordan, the weakening of Iraq and Syria, and Israel’s now-overwhelming military superiority — including its (undeclared) nuclear deterrent — have ended any existential threat posed by its Arab neighbors. Even a Hamas-led Palestinian state could not destroy Israel. As six former directors of Israel’s internal security service, Shin Bet, argued in the 2012 documentary “The Gatekeepers,” it is the occupation itself that truly threatens Israel’s long-term security: Occupation forces Israel into asymmetric warfare that erodes its international standing, limits its ability to forge regional alliances against sectarian extremists and, crucially, remains the principal motive behind Palestinian violence.

    In making the occupation permanent, Israel’s leaders are undermining their state’s viability. Unfortunately, domestic movements to avert that fate have withered. Thanks to an economic boom and the temporary security provided by the West Bank barrier and the Iron Dome missile defense system, much of Israel’s secular Zionist majority feels no need to take the difficult steps required for a durable peace, such as evicting their countrymen from West Bank settlements and acknowledging the moral stain of the suffering Israel has caused to so many Palestinians.

    We are at a critical juncture. Settlement growth and demographic trends will soon overwhelm Israel’s ability to change course. For years, we have supported Israeli governments — even those we strongly disagreed with — in the belief that a secure Israel would act to defend its own long-term interests. That strategy has failed. Israel’s supporters have, tragically, become its enablers. Today, there is no realistic prospect of Israel making the hard choices necessary to ensure its survival as a democratic state in the absence of outside pressure.

    For supporters of Israel like us, all viable forms of pressure are painful. The only tools that could plausibly shape Israeli strategic calculations are a withdrawal of U.S. aid and diplomatic support, and boycotts of and divestitures from the Israeli economy. Boycotting only goods produced in settlements would not have sufficient impact to induce Israelis to rethink the status quo.

    It is thus, reluctantly but resolutely, that we are refusing to travel to Israel, boycotting products produced there and calling on our universities to divest and our elected representatives to withdraw aid to Israel. Until Israel seriously engages with a peace process that either establishes a sovereign Palestinian state or grants full democratic citizenship to Palestinians living in a single state, we cannot continue to subsidize governments whose actions threaten Israel’s long-term survival.

    Israel, of course, is hardly the world’s worst human rights violator. Doesn’t boycotting Israel but not other rights-violating states constitute a double standard? It does. We love Israel, and we are deeply concerned for its survival. We do not feel equally invested in the fate of other states.

    Unlike internationally isolated states such as North Korea and Syria, Israel could be significantly affected by a boycott. The Israeli government could not sustain its foolish course without massive U.S. aid, investment, commerce, and moral and diplomatic support.

    We recognize that some boycott advocates are driven by opposition to (and even hatred of) Israel. Our motivation is precisely the opposite: love for Israel and a desire to save it.

    Repulsed by the Afrikaners’ ethno-religious fanaticism in South Africa, Zionism founder Theodore Herzl wrote, “We don’t want a Boer state, but a Venice.” American Zionists must act to pressure Israel to preserve Herzl’s vision — and to save itself.

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  103. Hah no afraid not! :-)

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  104. I am truly encouraged by these gentlemen.

    The Zionism I grew up with prompts me similarly.

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  105. Indyk’s “aliyah” came in the form of a position at the Israel lobby group AIPAC (the American Israel Public Affairs Committee) as a deputy researcher in 1982. Three years later, he and Dennis Ross founded the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP), an AIPAC-linked think tank. Ross’s first paper for WINEP, which he published in 1985, demanded the appointment of “a non-Arabist Special Middle East envoy” who would not “feel guilty about our relationship with Israel and our reluctance to force Israeli consensus.”

    - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2013/08/martin-indyk-says-he-made-aliyah-to-washington-to-save-israel#sthash.cJPDfUwC.dpuf

    And here is the review of Ross’s book( Doomed to succeed)

    -It’s jarring to contemplate the assassination of Rabin and then read Dennis Ross’s “Doomed to Succeed” (Farrar, Straus & Giroux), a detailed account of U.S.-Israeli relations since 1948. In four hundred-plus pages, there is almost no mention of the changes that have transformed the Israeli polity in the past six decades, and surprisingly little discussion of the steady growth in the settlement population, which now exceeds half a million. For Ross, who was the State Department’s director of policy planning under President George H. W. Bush, the special Middle East coördinator under President Bill Clinton, and an adviser to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the settlements are evidently problematic only insofar as they present an obstacle to a smoothly functioning bilateral relationship. The United Nations and most foreign governments consider them illegal, but for him they are a political difficulty to be finessed. There is no talk of justice. Pressure on Israel—by Palestinians, by Europeans, by President Obama—appears to Ross bewildering and unreasonable.
    Ross describes a situation, in 2010, when Mahmoud Abbas, the President of the Palestinian Authority, refused to negotiate with Netanyahu unless he agreed to extend a moratorium on settlement construction, and the Obama Administration tried and failed to broker a compromise. His conclusion: Abbas “showed little flexibility and squandered the moratorium.” And Ross criticizes President Obama for “putting the onus on Israel.” This sort of analysis makes sense only if you regard the expansion of Israeli settlements and the Palestinian objections to them as morally equivalent.
    Ross is as impatient with Palestinian efforts to gain a more sympathetic hearing at the United Nations and elsewhere as he is sensitive to the political needs of Israeli Prime Ministers. Yet he says almost nothing about the political realities that have shaped the situation, or how those realities might be changed. He evinces almost no sympathy for similar pressures on Abbas and others at the Palestinian Authority. Only near the end of the book does he bring himself to criticize Israel. Netanyahu’s decision to accept an invitation from John Boehner to address the House of Representatives, thereby defying the White House and inserting himself in a domestic political debate, was, Ross says, “a mistake.” He writes repeatedly that Israeli leaders will make concessions only when they feel secure. This may be true, but where does this leave American policy? And where does it leave Israel?
    The highest compliment Ross seems able to pay an American President is to say that he is a “friend of Israel.” But how can an American President help an ally steer away from a potentially disastrous course when that ally, by the nature of its own domestic politics, isn’t able to do so by itself? Ross doesn’t say.

    http://lobelog.com/a-bit-more-on-dennis-ross/

    http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/26/shot-in-the-heart

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  106. I am truly encouraged by these gentlemen.

    Gentlemen, indeed. My only wish is that more of humanity was like them.

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  107. “I hope you’re right, and I hope it works.”

    Lovely, an overt call for genocide.
    500 0nly made the analysis, but you’re advocating.
    I’m surprised nobody picked up on this yet.
    Kevin, you’re one miserable sicko.

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  110. You give the range as 5.4 to 6.7 million. It seeks pretty fair for me to go for 6 million…

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  111. It was judicious to remind above that :
    “Way back in 1914 Brandeis, Frankfurter , Judge Julian Mack,Rabbi Stephen Wise,Thomas Gregory , Josephius Daniel, played Americans for a fool through the channels and contacts in the elite bodies of the US governments and got the country moving to war,war preparations,supporting Balfour,and scuttling Turkey -US peace treaty .
    Why? Because this period 1900-1916 started the still continuing imperial efforts to control the Mesopotamia for its cheap oil and a Mediterrannean port to export it later.
    In 1902 a Deutsche Bank subsidiary signed for a railway concession including oil prospection, production an marketing along the railway for 20km on both sides.
    After his letter to the Sultan on 25th July 1902, Theodor Herzl, who had in advance arranged in Spring the financial support of 3 European Banks (Dresdner, Lloyds, Crédit Lyonnais), failed to get accepted his written request “for a Jewish Colonial Trust or Chart in Mesopotamia, plus Haïfa and surroundings” (my translation from his letter in French).
    Later early 1914, few months before the ignition of the Great European War, the British financier Cassel had succeeded, with the help of Gulbenkian and the complicity of few interested Young Turks officials, to regain the majority control through a new Turkish Oil Company based in London and a request for a large concession.
    When UK was deeply weakened by its huge war debt managed by JP Morgan Bank in the US, negotiations started for a future sharing of the war spoils, mainly the oil of Mesopotamia and a safe access to the coast in Palestine, so that if agreed, USA will enter in the war to save UK and win together.
    THIS IS THE TRUE STORY AND IT IS STILL CONTINUING, THE SAME FORCES TRYING SINCE 2011TO CREATE A NEW STATE IN THE NORTH OF IRAQ AND A SAFE CORRIDOR TO THE MED SEA AT THE EXPENSE OF SYRIA.

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  112. This is extraordinary interesting: a bird’s eye view across space and time.

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  113. annamarina said: Take a note that none of the leading Jewish agitators for Middle Eastern wars has ever considered sending their own children to serve in the US Army.

    Hunsdon said: In fairness, Michael Ledeen has two sons who were at one point on active duty in the USMC, and not as clerk/typists. He is fairly rare among the neocons in that regard.

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  114. Didn’t his daughter have her hands on a lot of money in Baghdad which mysteriously went missing?

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  115. Ledeen’s children did serve in the US Army, but his “greatest gift” to the United States have been the theory and practice of non-diplomatic (violent) solution to everything.
    Alternet, 2003: “Ledeen’s ideas are repeated daily by such figures as Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz… He basically believes that violence in the service of the spread of democracy is America’s manifest destiny. Consequently, he has become the philosophical legitimator of the American occupation of Iraq. Now Michael Ledeen is calling for regime change beyond Iraq.” http://www.alternet.org/story/15860/who_is_michael_ledeen
    Ledeen: “Creative destruction is our middle name. We do it automatically…. It is time once again to export the democratic revolution.” https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Michael_Ledeen
    Ledeen was caught repeatedly in disinformation scums; he was involved in the Iran–Contra affair and, allegedly, in the yellowcake forgery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Ledeen

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  116. This is why Jews love to get Shabbos Goyim to do the dirty work for them – plausible deniability.

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  117. Not if the Donald were to win!

    Sam, the FP script for the next Republican president (or Democratic, for that matter) has just been published. Not surprisingly, it is a reprise of Kagan and Kristol’s PNAC script. Here’s how Jim Lobe puts it:

    A mostly neoconservative group of national-security analysts have published perhaps the first comprehensive outline of what they believe a Republican foreign policy should look like as of Inauguration Day 2017. It’s titled “Choosing to Lead: American Foreign Policy for a Disordered World.”

    http://www.choosingtolead.net/table-of-contents/

    Although it concedes that “there are limitations on American power,” according to the book’s “Forward” by former George W. Bush speechwriter, Peter Wehner, all of the contributors

    …understand, too, that with the right leadership and policies in place, the United States can once again be a guarantor of global order and peace, a champion of human rights, and a beacon of economic growth and human flourishing. There is no reason the 21st century cannot be the next American Century. …

    If you sense a rebirth of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), you’re probably not far off, although Bob Kagan and Bill Kristol, who co-founded PNAC, are not among the large number of contributors. PNAC published two volumes, Present Dangers and Rebuilding American Defenses, that together formed a neocon manifesto for the Republican presidential candidate in the 2000 election in which the organization initially backed John McCain.

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  118. It appears it didn’t take long for my wish to come true. Another gentleman just wrote this “confession” in today’s Post:

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    Confessions of an Israeli traitor

    I was an Israel Defense Forces soldier in Gaza 27 years ago, during the first intifada. We patrolled the city and the villages and the refugee camps and encountered angry teenagers throwing stones at us. We responded with tear gas and rubber bullets.

    Now those seem like the good old days.

    Since then, the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians has seen stones replaced with guns and suicide bombs, then rockets and highly trained militias, and now, in the past month, kitchen knives, screwdrivers and other improvised weapons. Some of these low-tech efforts have been horrifically successful, with victims as young as 13. There is plenty to discuss about the nature and timing of the recent wave of Palestinian attacks — a desperate and humiliated answer to the election of a hostile Israeli government that emboldens extremist settlers to attack Palestinians. But as an Israeli, I am more concerned with the actions of my own society, which are getting scarier and uglier by the moment.

    The internal discussion in Israel is more militant, threatening and intolerant than it has ever been. Talk has trended toward fundamentalism ever since the Israeli operation in Gaza in late 2008, but it has recently gone from bad to worse. There seems to be only one acceptable voice, orchestrated by the government and its spokespeople, and beamed to all corners of the country by a clan of loyal media outlets drowning out all the others. Those few dissenters who attempt to contradict it — to ask questions, to protest, to represent a different color from this artificial consensus — are ridiculed and patronized at best, threatened, vilified and physically attacked at worst. Israelis not “supporting our troops” are seen as traitors, and newspapers asking questions about the government’s policies and actions are seen as demoralizing.

    Since the start of last year’s Gaza war, there have been several incidents of anti-leftist violence to go along with the attacks aimed at Palestinians: Left-wing protesters were assaulted at antiwar demonstrations in Tel Aviv and Haifa last summer, during the war; left-wing journalist Gideon Levy of Haaretz was accused of treason by a Knesset member, a crime that during wartime is punishable by death. He’s since hired bodyguards. The comedian Orna Banai lost an advertising job after an interview in which she expressed horror over Israeli actions against Palestinians. This month, people in Afula attacked an Arab correspondent for an Israeli TV network and his Jewish crew while they reported on a stabbing attack. A new bill in the Knesset encourages the thought police by turning away visitors to Israel who have supported the movement to boycott companies profiting from the occupation. On Friday, a masked Jewish settler attacked the president of leftist group Rabbis for Human Rights in a Palestinian olive grove in the West Bank.

    On social media, the gloves are taken off, social courtesies abandoned, hatred rears its ugly head. Facebook pages calling for violence against left-wingers and Arabs appear frequently, and even when they’re taken down, they pop up again in one guise or another. Any sentiment not aligned with the supposed consensus is met with a barrage of racist vitriol. One Facebook group calling itself the Shadow Lions discussed how to disrupt a wedding between an Arab and a Jew, posting the groom’s phone number and urging people to call and harass him. On Twitter and Instagram, hashtags like #leftiesout and #traitorlefties abound. Film director Shira Geffen, who asked her movie audiences for a moment of silence to respect Palestinian children killed in an Israeli offensive, was flayed across Israeli social networks. “Shame,” a new and brilliant play by actress Einat Weitzman, brings to the stage a selection of the hateful comments she received after wearing a T-shirt bearing the Palestinian flag. One example from the play: “If the baby that was murdered was yours I wonder which flag you would put on yourself. Now step on it and get your ugly head back to your tiny apartment and bury yourself from the shame until you die there alone and maybe in your funeral we will ask the Jihad to read verses from the Koran.”

    In this latest round of fighting, the volume has been turned up still another notch. While the knife attacks are going on, my family and I are in Omaha, where I’m teaching for the semester, and what I hear and read from Israel leaves me appalled. Again led by politicians from the right (with the perplexing support of members of the supposed opposition, such as Yair Lapid), then circulated by the sensationalist mainstream media, there has been a unified demonization of Palestinians and Israeli Arabs. One recent poll by the newspaper Maariv found that only 19 percent of Israeli Jews think most Arabs oppose the attacks. This past week, the trend reached its absurd peak, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ridiculous claim that Hitler decided to annihilate the Jews only after being advised to do so by Jerusalem Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini, the leader of Palestinian Arabs at the time. (Israeli Twitter was full of jokes and memes about the speech, which one image in circulation dubbed “Hitlerious.” Even for Netanyahu’s supporters, apparently, this was too much.)

    There have been calls to kill attackers in every situation, in defiance of the law or any accepted rules of engagement for the military. Lapid, for example, said in an interview, “Don’t hesitate. Even at the start of an attack, shooting to kill is correct. If someone is brandishing a knife, shoot him.” Minister of Public Security Gilad Erdan also gave his blessing to that notion. And the head of the Jerusalem police department, Moshe Edri, announced, “Anyone who stabs Jews or hurts innocent people is due to be killed.” Knesset member Yinon Magal tweeted that authorities should “make an effort” to kill terrorists who carry out attacks.

    Such sentiment has led to incidents like the death in East Jerusalem of Fadi Alloun, suspected of a knife attack but shot by police as they had him surrounded. Sometimes, it backfires: This month, a Jewish vigilante near Haifa stabbed a fellow Israeli Jew who he thought was an Arab. Late Wednesday, soldiers killed an Israeli Jew whom they mistook for a Palestinian attacker.

    The low point (so far) was last Sunday night’s lynching of 29-year-old Eritrean asylum seeker Haftom Zarhum, mistakenly identified as a perpetrator of a terrorist attack in Beersheba. Zarhum was shot by a security guard then beaten to death by a mob of passers-by in a predictable response to the incitement from our own politicians to kill as revenge. And the increasingly intolerant, boiling, racist tone of the Israeli conversation is — there is no other way to put this — a result of 48 years of occupying another people: of Israelis receiving a message (or at least understanding it as such) that we are superior to others, that we control the fate of those lesser others, that we are allowed to disregard laws and any basic notions of human morality with regard to Palestinians.

    The cumulative effect of this recent mindless violence is hugely disturbing. We seem to be in a fast and alarming downward swirl into a savage, unrepairable society. There is only one way to respond to what’s happening in Israel today: We must stop the occupation. Not for peace with the Palestinians or for their sake (though they have surely suffered at our hands for too long). Not for some vision of an idyllic Middle East — those arguments will never end, because neither side will ever budge, or ever be proved wrong by anything. No, we must stop the occupation for ourselves. So that we can look ourselves in the eyes. So that we can legitimately ask for, and receive, support from the world. So that we can return to being human.

    Whatever the consequences are, they can’t be worse than what we are now grappling with. No matter how many soldiers we put in the West Bank, or how many houses of terrorists we blow up, or how many stone-throwers we arrest, we don’t have any sense of security; meanwhile, we have become diplomatically isolated, perceived around the world (sometimes correctly) as executioners, liars, racists. As long as the occupation lasts, we are the more powerful side, so we call the shots, and we cannot go on blaming others. For our own sake, for our sanity — we must stop now.

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  119. ”women received equal rights”

    Don’t know if that’s a good thing. Considering its destructive effects. Women’s emancipation almost certainly is killing the west along with other factors.

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  121. all hell broke loose because the fucking bush and his fuckers disbanded the military and allowed rioters free reign. get your facts together before posting.

    Actual timeline:
    Bush admin disbands Iraqi military
    Obama admin withdraws from Iraq
    All Hell breaks loose in Iraq

    The same principle applies to the invasion of Iraq. While it’s true that Bush and Cheney ordered the invasion, the neocons/Israel firsters and other members of the Lobby were the real eminence grise behind the scenes.

    You seem to think that Avery (& co.) give a shit what really happened. They don’t. They don’t want Jews blamed for anything, guilty or not, so reality musn’t intrude.

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  122. {You seem to think that Avery (& co.) give a shit what really happened. They don’t. They don’t want Jews blamed for anything, guilty or not, so reality musn’t intrude.}

    Avery is not Jewish.
    And I don’t have a “& co.”
    Nevertheless, I do not see the logic in blaming only Jews – and nobody else – for the Iraqi invasion.
    Because doing so obscures the guilt of #1 criminals who actually ordered and carried out the illegal invasion. Bush, Cheney,….
    Certain influential Jewish-Americans goaded Bush to invade. But the entire US Military Industrial Complex and other corporate interests (oil) eagerly went along with the program.

    Again: nobody forced POTUS Bush Jr to order US military to invade Iraq.
    Veep Cheeney ordered CIA to ‘stovepipe’ intelligence to support the lie that Iraq had so-called WMDs (chemical weapons are not WMDs).
    Collin Powell tried very hard to convince UN members that Iraq had so-called WMDs.
    Nobody bought it, so Bush and Blair decided to go on their own.
    Neither Bush, nor Cheney, nor Powell, nor the Joint Chiefs are Jewish.

    The same crowd who convinced Bush Jr to invade Iraq, also tried to push Bush Sr to continue on to Baghdad after Kuwait: he was a war vet and didn’t take c___ from the Neocons, so he said “No”. And that was that.

    Bush Jr had issues, and wanted to play wartime POTUS, so didn’t take much for Jewish Neocons to goad him.
    How is it that Jews were not able to goad Bush Sr to go to Baghdad ?
    He ordered US military to stop at the Iraqi border, and they did.
    No amount of Jewish Neocon goading could change that fact.
    US military takes orders from POTUS.

    You want to blame it all on Jews, fine with me.
    Like I said: I am not Jewish.

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  123. Bush Jr had issues, and wanted to play wartime POTUS, so didn’t take much for Jewish Neocons to goad him.

    More like Bush Jr. learned some important lessons from Bush Sr. – i.e., how to avoid not being re-elected.

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  124. {More like Bush Jr. learned some important lessons from Bush Sr. – i.e., how to avoid not being re-elected.}

    “Read my lips: no new taxes.”

    Bush Sr. was done in by the tanking economy and his pledge not to raise taxes, which he was compelled to go back on due to various reasons.
    Plus, his infamous stunt of buying a pair of socks….. to have the American consumer open their pocketbooks and start buying stuff to goose the economy further damaged him by showing how disconnected he was from the common folks.
    Clinton capitalized on Bush’s mistakes.

    American voters invariably vote their pocketbooks.
    Most neither know nor are interested in what goes on outside US.
    Jobs, economy, crime in their neighborhood,….That’s what US voters are most concerned about.

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  125. You are not entirely off-base though.
    Americans typically rally around the POTUS during war and national emergencies.
    So maybe Bush Jr is more clever than being given credit for.

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  126. You are not entirely off-base though.

    Two references:

    #1

    And note that Heilbrunn opens the question up to the idea of the Israel lobby hamstringing all presidents, Republican and Democrat. Heilbrunn: What would the price be for a Republican president? We already see Obama actually paying a price and I think you want to focus on this issue. It really gets down to the case of Israel. Obama went against his own party to some degree–and of course has incurred violent reactions from the neoconservatives– demanding simply not that Israel dismantle settlements, but that it freeze new construction. This has triggered an uproar. You know, George Herbert Walker got crucified when he made the same demand and tried to suspend loans to Israel in the wake of the Iraq war. And he was attacked for saying he was just one lonely guy up here, against this enormous lobby. But you know, He had to give in, George Herbert Walker was not able to hold that line. And I haven’t seen any president that’s been able to. So I think that the advantages that the neoconservatives have, it’s an organ… etc – See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2010/10/heilbrunn-says-that-israel-lobby-crucified-george-hw-bush-over-settlements#sthash.m6GeSSMp.dpuf

    #2

    But let’s focus on what matters here. A former President believes that the pro-Israel lobby cost him his job. His son runs for President and is far more responsive than his father was to the Israel lobby.Right there you have a good indication of the power of the lobby. Of course we don’t know what W.’s political calculations were on this issue. But everyone else has a theory about the effect of Papa Bush on W.; this is now mine. W. is a superb politician. He learned political lessons from his dad.

    http://observer.com/2006/07/did-the-first-president-bush-lose-his-job-to-the-israel-lobby/

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  127. Jewish Neocons were planning the war 10-20 years in advance.
    Jewish Neocons are always planning the war for whenever the opportunity arises. The war is for….the war. If you have to be surrounded by states who are vowed(quite rightly) to destroy you, best they be failed states.

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  128. Another positive development:

    Largest US Jewish Group Slams Israel’s `Misguided’ Policies; Israel’s Descent Into Jingoistic `Orgies of Feeling’

    http://portside.org/2015-11-12/largest-us-jewish-group-slams-israels-misguided-policies-israels-descent-jingoistic

    P.S. Leading members of the George W Bush administration along with Blair and the leading neocons/Israel firsters must be brought to justice for the crime of launching an aggressive war against Iraq. The names of the leading neocon/Israel firsters are:

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    Paul Wolfowitz
    Richard Perle
    Douglas Feith
    Lewis Scooter Libby
    Michael Ledeen
    The Kagan clan, incl. Victoria Nudelman
    The Kristol clan
    The Podhoretz clan
    David and Meyrav Wurmser
    Joe Lieberman
    Chuck Schumer
    Alan Dershowitz
    John Hagee
    Pat Robertson
    Eternal World Television Network (EWTN)
    Elliot Abrams
    Eliot A. Cohen
    Eliot Engel
    Charles Krauthammer
    David Frum
    John Bolton
    Jennifer Rubin
    Joshua Muravchik
    Michael Rubin
    Ed Royce
    Daniel Pipes
    Marc Grossman
    James Woolsey
    Michael Chertoff
    Sheldon Adelson
    Rudy Giuliani
    Newt Gingrich

    The names of the torture facilitators are:

    Bruce Jessen
    James Mitchell
    Alberto Gonzales
    Timothy Flanigan
    John Yoo
    John Rizzo
    Jay Bybee
    Robert Delahunty

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  129. “No primary responsibility rests with Bush and Cheney.
    They are not Jewish.”

    “Avery” is Avery Goldfarb?, or Goldstein?, or Cohen?, or Rose?, or Rosenblum?, or Blumberg?, or Levi?, or…..?

    He’s a Jew (I am a Jew as well, and an American, but I’m an “American-firster” not a treasonous American Jew who betrays his country — the US — in favor of the criminal foreign power Israel).

    Wolfowitz, Perle, the Kagans, the Wurmsers, the Kristols, the Podhoretzs, Feith, Frum, Ledeen, “Scooter”, Elliot Abrams, Frank Gaffney…. (google up “Neocons” for the rest of a very long list) all Jews, all loyal first to Israel, all bent on subverting the US government and turning it into the United States of Israel. All intent on parasitizing the American nation, having the American people pay the price in blood and treasure fighting criminal Israel’s criminal wars.

    Cheney, Bush, Bolton, and the other non-Jews who have joined the Neocon death machine have done so for career advancement. They see that the “Israel-first” Jews,… the Neocon Jews,…the Zionist Jews — on behalf of Israel — have “conquered” the US government, that the Jews are the dominant political players, and that one’s personal political career prospects will be enhanced by joining “Team Neocon”. There, in a nutshell, is the explanation for those non-Jews who have joined the betrayal of the US in favor of Israel.

    So, no, it was not Bush/Cheney. It was, and is, all Jews all the time, the Neocons dominating the executive, and the lobby headed by AIPAC dominating the legislature.

    The internet freed up the truth about Zionist criminality, a truth previously hidden behind a Zionist mythology purveyed by a Zionist-dominated main stream US media. Now hasbarists — both the pros and the befuddled tribalist amateurs like Avery — are fighting a losing battle against the rise of the truth.

    The trajectory is clear and no amount of booster-ism or arrogant self-delusion can hide the reality. Israel is headed “over the “cliff”. When 300 million non-Jewish Americans discover the truth, and rebel against ***THEIR COUNTRY*** being turned into Israel’s bïtch, there will be hell to pay,… for Israel of course, but for American Jews as well. It would be far better for the American Jewish community to get a clue max fast, and throw their very substantial political clout behind a “tough love” intervention of the Zionist criminal project. The US is the only country with the military capability to lay down the law to Israel, and correct the situation with a minimum of bloodshed. Repeat: WITH A MINIMUM OF BLOODSHED. The alternative is to let nature take its course, sit back and let the five-thousand year pattern of Jewish attempted-suicide-by-Goy assert itself yet again.

    Despite being pissed off at my fellow Jews for their homicidal enabling of a suicidal fate, I still prefer a change of course to the “minimum bloodshed” path.

    So which will it be, “maximum” or “minimum” bloodshed?

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  130. Dry. Very dry. But sweet.

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  131. “…Perle and that lot were merely exercising free speech.”

    Let me commend you for a delightfully clever legalistic argument.

    Sadly, cleverness notwithstanding, it must fail.

    The abundantly-funded-by-Israeli-agents Neocon policy shops in Washington dominate foreign policy “scholarship”, and their Israel-first policy analysis and recommendations — the Wolfowitz Doctrine, etc. — become the basis of US foreign policy. Neocon Israeli agents dominate the US Executive — Nuland et al at State. That’s one half of the treason story. The other half: AIPAC coordinates the disbursement of Jewish money to Congressional campaigns leading to Israeli “ownership” of Congress. So first and foremost you have the near-comprehensive subversion of the USG by Israel, a subversion carried out by full-fledged Israeli agents: Jewish-American Israel-firsters exploiting the tribal loyalty of a misguided, misinformed, utterly hoodwinked American Jewish community.

    So, if you want legalisms, try this: Indictable for direct executive responsibility for war crimes? Perhaps not. But conspiracy to commit war crimes? Absolutely, you’re busted! Add to that plain vanilla, by-the-neck-until-dead treason. Whoops! Forgot about those, eh? Slipped your mind, you say? Perhaps the jury will take that into consideration. (Not!)

    Endeavor to persevere.

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  132. Love your thinking, but Phil Giraldi has pointed out elsewhere that technically, the charge of treason can only be levied for assisting an enemy in time of war. (Only some of us are at war with Israel.) But that AIPAC and others should be registered as agents of a foreign government, no doubt. At one time they were, until they found a loophole and rebranded.

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