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This is a discussion of some issues raised in a previous article by Ron Unz:

Back in those late Cold War days, the death toll of innocent civilians from the Bolshevik Revolution and the first two decades of the Soviet Regime was generally reckoned at running well into the tens of millions… I’ve heard that these numbers have been substantially revised downwards to perhaps as little as twenty million or so, but no matter. Although determined Soviet apologists may dispute such very large figures, they have always been part of the standard narrative history taught within the West.

Meanwhile, all historians know perfectly well that the Bolshevik leaders were overwhelmingly Jewish… a few years ago Vladimir Putin stated that Jews constituted perhaps 80-85% of the early Soviet government, an estimate fully consistent with the contemporaneous claims of Winston Churchill, Times of London correspondent Robert Wilton, and the officers of … Both of these simple facts have been widely accepted in America throughout my entire lifetime.

The Gulag

“I was given a full access to all archives, I learned everything there is about Stalin’s victims, and I prepared a complete report. However, I decided to save it for some future time. If I were to publish it, [I’d probably lose my job, there will be no more grants], my friends would drop me like a hot potato, I’d remain alone, and nobody will believe me anyway”.

This frank admission had been made in 2012 by the high authority on Communist era repressions, the founder and the chairman of the Memorial, a Russian anti-Communist NGO, Dr Arseny Roginsky. (He recently had died and had been lamented by his American supporters.) The Memorial is a designated foreign agent, in receipt of generous aid from the State Department and George Soros Foundation, and the chairman Dr Roginsky was a life-long enemy of the Soviets, a person not likely to err in the Reds’ favour.

What was this terrible truth that Dr Roginsky decided to hide? “According to my calculations, – he wrote, – in the entire Soviet period from 1918 to 1987, according to the surviving documents, it turned out that 7 million 100 thousand people were arrested by the state security agencies (the Russian equivalent of the FBI) across the country. And that includes those arrested for banditry, smuggling, counterfeiting. And for many other criminal offences.”

Before you say that seven million is also quite a lot, bear in mind that just last (2017) year, in the peacetime USA, over ten million persons had been arrested, admittedly not only by the FBI, as I couldn’t find their statistics. The Russian numbers relate to seventy years of rebellions, civil wars, the world war, cold war and over vast territory embracing the Ukraine, Central Asia, Transcaucasia, Baltic states and Russia proper.

Among those arrested by state security there were tens of thousands of Bandera fighters, far-right Ukrainian nationalists, who had fought on Nazi Germany’s side in the world war and had continued their fight well into nineteen-fifties. Over one hundred thousand of them were arrested and over 150 thousand were killed in action, here are details in Russian. The state security fought against and arrested numerous Islamic insurgents in Central Asia and in Caucasus mountains, the predecessors of al Qaeda and ISIS. The US Secret services supplied and armed the Baltic and Ukrainian rebels, while the Brits supplied the Islamic ones.

Despite these enormous difficulties, the Russian FBI (State Security) had arrested only seven million persons for seventy years; the majority of the arrested were common criminals or rebels, said Dr Roginsky and continued:

“Here is the final figure of 7 million for the whole Soviet period. What should I do with this research? The public opinion says there were 12 million arrested only for 1937-1939. I belong to this society, I live among these people, I am a part of them. I knew for sure that, first, they would not believe me. And, secondly, it would mean that everything that we were told about the figures until now is untrue. And I put all my calculations aside. For a long time. And there was no right time yet”.

The Russian (as well as the Western) public had been taught very different numbers. 40 million were killed by Stalin, said Roy Medvedev, a noted dissident; 80 million, said Antonov-Ovseenko; 100 million, said the grey cardinal of Perestroika, a close associate of Gorbachev, A. Yakovlev, and his opinion was especially important, for it was introduced as the ‘full truth and nothing but truth’ in the critical years 1987-1991. This number included “children that weren’t born, but could be born”, he added in sotto voce, learning probably from pro-life calculations of millions killed in abortion clinics. He was anyway overtaken by the assassinated opposition leader Boris Nemtsov, who counted (in 2003) 150 million of Stalin’s victims, quite a lot for a country of 200 million!

After that, 7 million sounds quite a pedestrian number. Real numbers are even lower. Two best and most reliable documents regarding numbers of imprisoned and killed in Stalin’s days are (1) The Attorney General et al report to Nikita Khrushchev in 1954, saying 2.5 million were imprisoned for all Soviet period, and 600 thousand sentenced to death, and (2) Dr Victor Zemskov painstaking research, well known for its thoroughness. Zemskov had studied activities of the state security bodies from 1921 to 1954, and he discovered that in this period 650 thousand persons have been sentenced to death (not all of them were actually executed) and 2.3 million were sentenced to prison terms. That’s for 33 difficult years of Stalin’s rule. That’s all, folks.

Zemskov also provided numbers for each year. In the terrible 1937, there were 1,2 million prisoners in GULAG. Compare it with the US: in 2013, – 2,2 million adults were incarcerated in US federal and state prisons, and county jails. About 1% of adults in the U.S. resident population, 0.8% for the USSR. Additionally, in the US 4,75 million were on probation or on parole, says Wikipedia. There were fewer prisoners in Gulag than in American penitentiary system. For more careful comparison see here.

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So much for the claims about terrible bloodiness of Russian history and of the Bolshevik rule! In the Soviet days, Russian population had grown at steady average 0.60% per annum, double of that in the UK and France, and much more than in post-Soviet Russia. Russian Empire entered the WWI with 160 million population; the USSR had 210 million in 1959, impossible figures if you accept the multimillion figures of Stalin’s repression.

If it is so, why does “the standard narrative history taught within the West” uses those huge numbers? The main reason is fear of communism, a very reasonable and justifiable (for rich guys) fear of losing their millions and billions. It makes sense for them to spend some of their capital persuading you that Communism is bad for you, while it is only bad for them. They lied so much and so efficiently that they convinced everybody. Even a poor American or Englishman is afraid of Communism, for the Communists will take all he has including his wife and kids, and they will send him directly to GULAG.

A few days ago, President Trump said at the UN: “Virtually everywhere, socialism or communism has been tried. It has produced suffering, corruption, and decay. Socialism’s thirst for power leads to expansion, incursion, and oppression. All nations of the world should resist socialism and the misery that it brings to everyone.” The nations of the world had laughed. Trump’s dislike of socialism is a good recommendation for it. In the same speech, he lauded two exemplary countries, Israel and Saudi Arabia. They are good for him and bad for us. ‘Socialism or communism’ are awful – for billionaires like Trump. They are wonderful for ordinary people.

The problem is, Trump and other rich guys are not going to allow you to have socialism. That’s why, after this tirade, Trump continued: “Today, we are announcing additional sanctions against [Venezuela’s] repressive regime, targeting Maduro’s inner circle and close advisers.” If you want to have socialism, you’ll get US sanctions, interventions, blockade, war. They will try to make you miserable, so you’ll regret the moment you chose socialism.

The people of Korea and Vietnam chose socialism, and the US attacked these countries and destroyed and killed millions, so even if they win, they will inherit a scorched earth and a destroyed economy. Russia was the first on the road to socialism; miraculously she made it, and she sacrificed herself in order to allow other nations to have socialism, too. Even non-socialist states like the US were forced to let their workers to get some benefits the workers of socialist states had.

American workers had miserable lives before Russia broke the way to socialism in 1917; they had it rather good while Russia was socialist; and they reverted to misery in 1991, when socialism was dismantled in Russia. All the achievements of Russian socialism – 8-hour working day, pensions, health care, protected tenancy, paid holidays, annual leave, no arbitrary sackings, – were adopted in Europe, and now are on their way out, because the rich guys won.

Naturally they lie about socialism because they do not want you to have it, or even to dream of it. This is something you should remember and memorise whenever you hear another dreadful story about the Bolsheviks.

Jews and Bolsheviks

The story of Jewish-made Bolshevik revolution (my esteemed friend Ron Unz enlarged on it in his recent pieces here and here) is another frightful story out of this arsenal of fear. A sincere and diligent researcher, Ron Unz uncovered this old hat while digging for forgotten truths. Surprise: not only truth is being hidden and forgotten; fake news are being buried by sands of time, too. This particular fib had been invented in 1920s; it was popular in 1930s; it had been forgotten to such an extent that nowadays the Communists are supposed to be antisemites in modern discourse. Here you can find a text by one Jew being angry at another Jew for undercounting Bolsheviks’ antisemitism. In 1994, Jewish author Arkady Vaksberg wrote a book entitled Stalin Against the Jews. Its fundamental thesis is that Stalin was a fanatical anti-Semite. Louis Rapoport’s Stalin’s War Against the Jews reflects the same theme. But this Jewish fantasy of Reds against Jews has its symmetric partner in the fantasy or Jews controlling the Reds. Both are false.

Did Jews join the Bolshevik party? Many did, though more Jews supported the Provisional Government of Mr Alexander Kerensky, the enemy of Bolsheviks. The Prime Minister Kerensky had an established record of supporting the Jewish causes; his government granted them full equality. The Provisional Government had appointed Jewish representatives to prominent positions from governorships to Mayors of the two Russian capitals and to the Head of the Government Office.

The main appeal of the Bolsheviks to the Russian masses: an immediate end of the War, nationalisation of factories and agrarian reform were of little importance or attraction for the Jews. The Bolsheviks’ victory was in doubt, at best, or almost improbable, so career-minded Jews didn’t rush under the Red banners.

And still, many did, for Jews are active people, and many of them supported the revolution for the best of reasons. Communism is Christianity minus God; secularised Christianity, in learned words. Better Jews are immensely attracted to Christianity, attracted to and scared of, for they are conditioned to reject Christ. Communism was a way out for them, a way to unite with people avoiding the scaring (for them) name of Christ. And neoliberal capitalism is Judaism minus God, secularised Judaism, so the worse type of Jews are being attracted by neoliberalism. Karl Marx said that [neoliberal] capitalism is weekday religion of a Jew, while Judaism is the religion of Sabbath. Capitalism Judaises the Christians, while Communism Christianised the Jews.

In the long run, it didn’t work well, for you can’t avoid God forever; He reasserts His position. But then, it was not clear, and many Russian Jews joined revolution for a good reason.

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Others joined the Revolution for not-so-noble reason, seeking adventure, looking for power or just for change. It is more useful to ponder why the Revolution took them on board. Jews had no sentiments about the Old Regime, and they had little compassion for ordinary Russians. Together with the Letts, they were the mainstay of State Security: they were literate, honest, not-too-compassionate. For revolution (or any large enterprise) to succeed, you need ruthless, smart and devoted people. Jews did well as organisers, too.

They never were the leading force of the Revolution. Is it true (as Putin said and Ron Unz quoted) that Jews constituted perhaps 80-85% of the early Soviet government? No, it is not.

Here is a photo of the first Soviet government. There are 15 ministers, their ethnic origin is clearly stated. There is just one Jew – Leon Trotsky.

In 1918, a coalition government of Bolsheviks and Left Socialist-Revolutionaries was formed. You can read the full list here in Russian – there are two Jews, both from the LSR party.

If you want to become an expert, you can learn the names of all Soviet ministers from October 1917 to the end of nineteen twenties, each name is accompanied by dates of his staying in the office and by his ethnic origin. There are 62 names of most powerful Bolsheviks, among them there were 7 Jews.

Why, then, did Putin say that? Putin said that in order to get Jews off his back when they demanded a Jewish library presently in Moscow to be transferred to Brooklyn. Putin had meant that the Jews in the first Soviet government had their reasons to nationalise the library, and he does not intend to revert their decision and give it away to American Jews. It was a smart answer, factually wrong, but very convincing and flattering for Jews, as Putin-the-lawyer (by his background) would give.

So much for “reports of the overwhelmingly Jewish leadership of the Russian Bolsheviks”, as Ron Unz writes. Perhaps these reports weren’t “bigotry and paranoia”, but they were certainly grossly exaggerated in order to undermine legitimacy of the Bolsheviks. Some people view Jews with suspicion; political manipulators are aware of it, and they claim that a person they fight with is a Jew. A brief internet search will “prove” for you that Stalin and Hitler, Yeltsin and Putin, Clinton and Trump are Jews. This is true about political forces. Calling a party being under Jewish control is a sure-fire way to limit its attraction to some extent.

The anti-communists invented ZOG long before this term was applied (with better justification) to the US. It’s Mensheviks, the opposition to Bolsheviks, where the Jews were indeed numerous; and rude Stalin once suggested in jest that a good pogrom would remove the Mensheviks from the Party. In the most decisive months April to November 1917, there were very few Jews in the Party leadership, and none of them had any access to the Party’s financial affairs.

“The heavy financial support of the Bolsheviks by Jewish international bankers” is also a myth. Ron Unz discovered an old red herring of the Jewish banker Schiff funding the Bolshevik cause.

Unz had read and quoted Kenneth D. Ackerman’s 2016 book Trotsky in New York, 1917. Indeed Ackerman says that a leaked U.S. Military Intelligence report of the period, called Judaism and Bolshevism “directly made that astonishing claim”, but he also dismantles this claim.

The US MI report had been authored by Boris Brasol, the former Russian official who had prosecuted the 1913 Mendel Beilis ritual murder case in Kiev. In the US, he had become chief promoter of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, hardly an impartial observer. More to the point, his report was not based on intelligence research of any sort. The Russian émigré had no access to Bolsheviks neither to Schiff, and his claim that Schiff paid ten thousand dollars (not twenty million) to Trotsky hadn’t been substantiated.

Ackerman continues: “When Lenin and Trotsky seized power for themselves in November 1917, Schiff immediately rejected them, cut off further loans, started funding anti-Bolshevist groups, and even demanded that the Bolsheviks pay back some of the money he’d loaned Kerensky”.

While Schiff didn’t finance Trotsky, the future War Commissar (Minister of Defence) had some important Western backing. Not by the Jews, but by the Brits who used Trotsky to sabotage Bolshevik plans for separate peace with Germany. It was considered that Lenin and his people were allowed by German HQ to return to Russia in April 1917 for they constituted a pro-German faction of the Russian Social-Democrats. Trotsky and his people, on the other hand, were allowed by the Canadians, British and Americans to proceed to Russia for they were a pro-Anglo-American faction. Indeed Lenin called for immediate cease-fire and separate peace treaty with Germany, while Trotsky proposed “no war, no peace” formula and tried to disrupt negotiations with Germany, with some success.

The story of German financing was running heavy, and it was discussed and argued pro and contra for a long time. The version of Jewish financial support for the Bolsheviks had been marginal in the years following the Russian Revolution, while the contemporaries had some first-hand knowledge of events. Now, with the old generation gone, there is a time old fakes can find a new life.

Ron Unz is not alone here. In 2017, the anti-Communist Russian media also played with the idea of Jewish financial support for the Reds as the defining force behind the revolution. They could not find any evidence re Schiff, and they preferred to personify this corrupt Jewish influence in the figure of Alexander Parvus aka Israel Gelfand. Parvus is the main protagonist of Solzhenitsyn’s Lenin in Zurich, where he appears like a Mephistopheles to Lenin’s Faust.

Parvus, an adventurer and a revolutionary with an eye for profit, indeed tried to keep in touch with Lenin whom he considered, correctly, the strongest strategist of revolutionary movement. Lenin was unwilling to play ball with him, and refused to meet him when Parvus came to revolutionary Russia.

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Jewish money rule the world, this is a very popular idea among Jews. Theodor Herzl, and before him, Benjamin Disraeli wrote of “terrible power of Jewish money”. Nowadays, such wealthy Jews as George Soros and Sheldon Adelson are proud of their influence upon the US politics. They surely have influence, but I doubt anybody considers this influence is a decisive and defining one. Both failed at their enterprises, Soros had been kicked out of every East European state (including Russia), Adelson preferred Marco Rubio, but Trump won anyway. In short, Jewish money can influence events, can improve the lot of politicians, scribes, media lords, but can’t define our future. Otherwise, we’d live already in the world-wide Gaza Strip. Jews are powerful, but omnipotent they aren’t.

Russian revolution had been made by Russian people, inclusive of Russian Jews, Russian Letts, Russian Poles, Russian Ukrainians, Russian Georgians and other ethnic groups. It was such a great event that it still scares the rich guys, and they still try to explain it away and convince you and themselves that Lenin won’t come back.

Ron Unz is doing an important and beneficial job for American public, as he reveals deceit in the core of the dominant narrative. Some deceits are laying too deep for him to uncover right away. Deceptions surrounding socialism lie deeper than Holocaust stories or JFK assassination. Still I hope this sincere man will keep on digging until the truth will come out.

Appendix A

Кроме большевиков в правительство входили эсеры. Слева направо:

1.Исаак Штейнберг — член партии левых эсеров. Народный комиссар юстиции с декабря 1917 г. по март 1918 г. Национальность – ЕВРЕЙ. Купеческого сословия.

2.Иван Скворцов-Степанов – настоящая фамилия Скворцов, литературный псевдоним — И. Степанов. Член партии большевиков. Народный комиссар финансов. Крестьянского сословия. Национальность – РУССКИЙ.

3.Борис Камков – член партии левых эсеров. Сын земского врача. ЕВРЕЙ.

4.Владимир Бонч-Бруевич – член партии большевиков. Управляющий делами Совета Народных Комиссаров. Национальность – ПОЛЯК. Происхождение – дворянин.

5.Владимир Евгеньевич Трутовский – член партии левых эсеров. Народный комиссар местного самоуправления с декабря 1917 г. по март 1918. Происхождение – дворянин. РУССКИЙ.

6.Александр Шляпников – член партии большевиков. Народный комиссар труда (1917—1918). Родился в семье мещан старообрядцев. РУССКИЙ.

7.Прош Прошьян (Прошян) – член партии левых эсеров. Нарком почт и телеграфа декабрь 1917 – март 1918 г. АРМЯНИН.

8.Владимир Ульянов (Ленин) – член партии большевиков. Председатель Совета Народных Комиссаров. Дворянин. РУССКИЙ.

9.Иосиф Джугашвили (Сталин) – член партии большевиков. Нарком по делам национальностей. ГРУЗИН. Из ремесленного сословия.

10.Александра Коллонта́й (урождённая — Домонтович) – член партии большевиков. Нарком государственного призрения. Первая женщина – министр в истории. Дворянка. Мать – ФИНКА, отец – РУССКИЙ.

11.Павел Дыбенко – член партии большевиков. Народный комиссар по морским делам. Родился в бедной крестьянской украинской семье. УКРАИНЕЦ.

12.Кокшарова Елизавета – член партии большевиков. С декабря 1917 г. по август 1918 г. работала в аппарате Совета Народных Комиссаров вторым секретарем. Из мещанского сословия. РУССКАЯ. 13.Подвойский Николай – член партии большевиков. Нарком по военным делам ноябрь 1917 – март 1918. Родился в семье украинского сельского священника-учителя. УКРАИНЕЦ

14.Горбунов Николай — член партии большевиков. Секретарь Совета Народных Комиссаров и личный секретарь В. И. Ленина. РУССКИЙ. Родился в семье инженера.

15.Невский Владимир (настоящая фамилия и имя — Кривобоков Феодосии Иванович) – член партии большевиков. Зам. Наркома путей сообщения. Из русской купеческой семьи. РУССКИЙ.

16. Александр Васильевич Шотман – член партии большевиков. Член президиума ВСНХ (Высший совет народного хозяйства). Родился в финской семье мастерового Обуховского завода, ФИНН шведского происхождения.

17. Георгий Чичерин – член партии большевиков. Нарком иностранных дел. Дворянин. РУССКИЙ.

Appendix B

СОСТАВ СОВНАРКОМА

1. Председатель – Владимир Ильич Ульянов (Ленин)(26.10.1917 – 21.01.1924) – великоросс

2. Наркомат внутренних дел:
Алексей Иванович Рыков (26.10. – 4.11.1917) – великоросс
Григорий Иванович Петровский (17.11.1917 – 25.03.1919) – малоросс
Феликс Эдмундович Дзержинский (30.03.1919 – 6.07.1923) – поляк
Александр Георгиевич Белобородов (7.07.1923 – 13.01.1928) – великоросс

3. Наркомат земледелия
Владимир Павлович Милютин (26.10 – 4.11.1917) – великоросс
Александр Григорьевич Шлихтер (13.11. – 24.11.1917) – обрусевший немец (отец: 1/2 немец, 1/2 казак; мать родом из украинских дворян)
Андрей Лукич Колегаев (25.11.1917 – 16.03.1918) – великоросс
Семен Пафнутьевич Середа (3.04.1918 – 10.02.1921) – малоросс
Валериан Валерианович Оболенский (Осинский)(вр. 24.03.1921 – 18.01.1922) – великоросс
Василий Григорьевич Яковенко (18.01.1922 – 7.07.1923) – великоросс
Александр Петрович Смирнов (7.07.1923 – 19.12.1928) – великоросс

4. Наркомат труда
Александр Гаврилович Шляпников (26.10.1917 - 8.10.1918) - великоросс
Василий Владимирович Шмидт (8.10.1918 – 29.11.1928) – обрусевший немец

5. а) Комитет по военно-морским делам (26.10. - 8.11.1917 ), Совет военных комиссаров (8.11. – 26.11.1917):
Владимир Александрович Антонов-Овсеенко – малоросс
Павел Ефимович Дыбенко – малоросс
Николай Васильевич Крыленко – великоросс
б) Наркомат по военным и морским делам (26.11.1917 – 20.06.1934)
Николай Ильич Подвойский (27.11.1917 – 14.03.1918) – малоросс
Лев Давидович Троцкий (Бронштейн)(14.03.1918 – 26.01.1925) – еврей
в) Наркомат по морским делам (22.02 – 17.12. 1918)
Павел Ефимович Дыбенко (22.02. – 15.03.1918) – малоросс
Лев Давидович Троцкий (Бронштейн)(6.04. – 17.12.1918) – еврей

6. а) Наркомат торговли и промышленности
Виктор Павлович Ногин (26.10. – 4.11.1917) – великоросс
Александр Гаврилович Шляпников (и.о. 4.11.1917 – 26.03.1918) – великоросс
Василий Михайлович Смирнов (и.о. 2 – 22.04.1918) – великоросс
Мечислав Генрикович Бронский (и.о. 22.04. – 9.05.1918) – поляк
Леонид Борисович Красин (14.05.1918 – 12.06.1920) – великоросс
12.06.1920 преобразован в Наркомат внешней торговли
б) Наркомат внешней торговли (1920 – 91)
Леонид Борисович Красин (12.06.1920 – 18.11.1925) – великоросс
в) Комиссия по внутренней торговле при СТО (24.12.1922 – 9.05.1924), Наркомат внутренней торговли СССР (9.05.1924 – 18.11.1925)
Андрей Матвеевич Лежава (24.12.1922 – 9.05.1924)(9.05. – 17.12.1924) – грузин
Арон Львович Шейнман (17.12.1924 – 18.11.1925) – еврей

7. Наркомат просвещения
Анатолий Васильевич Луначарский (фам. по наст. отцу – Антонов)(26.10.1917 – 12.09.1929) – великоросс

8. Наркомат финансов
Иван Иванович Скворцов-Степанов (26.10.1917 – 20.01.1918) – великоросс
Вячеслав Рудольфович Менжинский (20.01. – 28.03.1918) – поляк
Исидор Эммануилович Гуковский (2.04. – 16.08.1918) – еврей (?)
Николай Николаевич Крестинский (16.08.1918 – 10.10.1922) – малоросс
Григорий Яковлевич Сокольников (Бриллиант)(10.10.1922 – 16.01.1926) – еврей

9. Наркомат иностранных дел:
Лев Давидович Троцкий (Бронштейн)(26.10.1917 - 8.04.1918) - еврей
Георгий Васильевич Чичерин (9.04.1918 – 25.07.1930) – великоросс (мать из рода немецких дворян)

10. Наркомат юстиции
Георгий Ипполитович Ломов-Оппоков (26.10 – 9.12.1917) – великоросс
Исаак Захарович Штейнберг (9.12.1917 – 16.03.1918) – еврей
Петр Иванович Стучка (18.03. – 22.08.1918) – обрусевший латыш
Дмитрий Иванович Курский (22.08.1918 – 18.02.1928) – великоросс

11. Наркомат продовольствия
Иван Адольфович Теодорович (26.10 – 4.11.1917) – поляк
Александр Григорьевич Шлихтер (18.12.1917 – 24.02.1918) – обрусевший немец
Александр Дмитриевич Цюрупа (25.02.1918 – 12.12.1921) – малоросс
Николай Павлович Брюханов (12.12.1921 – 9.05.1924) – великоросс

12. Нарком почт и телеграфов
Николай Павлович Глебов (Авилов)(26.10 – 9.12.1917) – великоросс
Прош Перчевич Прошьян (9.12.1917 – 16.03.1918) – армянин
Вадим Николаевич Подбельский (11.04.1918 – 25.02.1920) – великоросс
Артемий Моисеевич Любович (24.03.1920 – 26.05.1921)(12.11.1927 – 14.01.1928) – еврей
Валериан Савельевич Довгалевский (26.05.1921 – 6.07.1923) – русский
Иван Никитич Смирнов (6.07.1923 – 6.10.1927) – великоросс

13. Наркомат по делам национальностей (Наркомнац) РСФСР (1917 – 23).
Иосиф Виссарионович Джугашвили (Сталин) – осетин

14. а) Наркомат по железнодорожным делам (26.10.1917 – 24.02.1918)
Марк Тимофеевич Елизаров (8.11.1917 – 7.01.1918) – русский
б) Наркомат путей сообщения (24.02.1918 – 15.03.1946)
Алексей Гаврилович Рогов (24.02. – 9.05.1918) – великоросс
Петр Алексеевич Кобозев (9.05. – 24.06.1918) – великоросс
Владимир Иванович Невский (Кривобоков)(25.07.1918 – 15.03.1919) – великоросс
Леонид Борисович Красин (30.03.1919 – 20.03.1920) – великоросс
Лев Давидович Троцкий (Бронштейн)(и.о. 20.03. – 10.12.1920) – еврей
Александр Иванович Емшанов (10.12.1920 – 14.04.1921) – великоросс
Феликс Эдмундович Дзержинский (14.04.1921 – 2.02.1924) – поляк
Ян Эрнестович Рудзутак (2.02.1924 – 11.06.1930) – латыш

15. а) Наркомат государственного призрения (8.11.1917 – 20.03.1918)
Александра Михайловна Коллонтай (30.10.1917 – 17.03.1918) – малоросска (по отцу, по матери – финка)
б) Наркомат социального обеспечения (1918 – 1991)
Александр Николаевич Винокуров (20.03.1918 – 30.06.1921) – великоросс
Николай Александрович Милютин (и.о. 14.04.1921 – 29.12.1924) – великоросс
Василий Григорьевич Яковенко (29.12.1924 – 2.10.1926) – великоросс

16. Наркомат государственных имуществ РСФСР
Владимир Александрович Карелин 9.12.1917 – 16.03.1918) – великоросс
Петр Петрович Малиновский (и.о. 18.03. – 7.04.1918) – русский

17. Наркомат местного самоуправления РСФСР
Владимир Ефимович Трутовский (19.12.1917 – 12.06.1918) – русский

18. а) Наркомат государственного контроля РСФСР
Карл Иванович Ландер (9.05.1918 – 25.03.1919) – ? (прибалтийский немец или еврей)
Иосиф Виссарионович Сталин (Джугашвили)(30.03.1919 – 7.02.1920) – осетин
б) Наркомат рабоче-крестьянской инспекции (Рабкрин) РСФСР (7.02.1920 – 34)
С 6.07.1923 объединение с Центр. контрольн. комиссией ВКП (б)
в аппарат ЦКК-РКИ.
Иосиф Виссарионович Сталин (Джугашвили)(24.02.1920 – 25.04.1922) – осетин
Александр Дмитриевич Цюрупа (25.04.1922 – 6.07.1923) – малоросс
Валериан Владимирович Куйбышев (6.07.1923 – 5.11.1926) – великоросс

19. Наркомат здравоохранения
Александр Николаевич Винокуров (пред. Совета врачебных коллегий 21.01. – 27.06.1918) – великоросс
Николай Алекандрович Семашко (11.07.1918 – 25.01.1930) – великоросс

 
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  1. Kirt says:

    OK, so socialism is really a great thing for 99% of the people, but Jews have hardly anything to do with it, and Communists (Stalin included) hardly killed anyone. OR – Jews are 85% (if not more) responsible for Communism, a particularly lethal form of socialism which killed hundreds of millions of people and Hitler tried to save the rest of the world from Communism but hardly killed any Jews in the process. No one can argue that the Unz.com doesn’t give you a wide range of viewpoints to choose from.

    • Agree: Wade
    • Replies: @Wade
    , @phil
    , @lavoisier
  2. Cyrano says:

    I agree with every word of this article 100%. The propaganda sufferers in the west should be aware that everything that they (think they) know about Socialism – they were told by the same (type of) people who told them that Iraq has WMD’s. In other words, the dummies in the west haven’t been told any truth about anything for a really, really long time – if ever. Propaganda is the real WMD of their minds that has been used on them since the day they were born.

  3. A problem with your figures. Didn’t Stalin deport the entire volgan German population in 1942? And didn’t the working age males get sent to labour camps? Presumably your not counting these as prisoners despite the horrible mortality rates suffered as a result of these actions. What of the checens also? Are these figures just counting those who were individually convicted of crimes and documented as such?

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  4. Also wasn’t the real power in the 12 man politburos rather than the ministrys. How many Jews were in the first Bolshevik politburo? And how many in the first Menshevik politburo? I may be misinformed but I thought the first Menshevik politburo was entirely Jewish. Is that incorrect information?

    • Replies: @ShutItDown
    , @Feliks
  5. “Jewish money can influence events, can improve the lot of politicians, scribes, media lords, but can’t define our future. Otherwise, we’d live already in the world-wide Gaza Strip. Jews are powerful, but omnipotent they aren’t.”

    We’re well on our way, and you’re doing your part, comrade Israel.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  6. What a delight to see an evidence-based refutation of the suspicions voiced by the sponsor of this website, repeating old charges reflecting the prejudices of a century ago.

    Many thanks, Mr Shamir, for providing us with the documentation to continue to trust the received narrative of the rather minor role (but not without significance of Jewish residents of the Russian Empire in the establishment of the Bolshevik government.

    About the total number of victims of said Bolshevik rule, I am afraid your report is less than conclusive, unlike your discussion of the (as one might call it) the Jewish question.

  7. Brewer says:

    Thank you Sir. An illuminating piece
    Propaganda has always made its way into the History books. Most of it is easily debunked by simple analysis of the numbers and logistics, as you have done. The alleged murder of 6 million Jews in gas chambers likewise. It is easy to bandy such numbers around among people who have probably seen no more than one or two dead bodies in their entire lives. Tales of thousands of bodies dug up after months in the ground then annihilated by burning with green forest wood are readily believed by folks who have never been charged with disposing of the carcasses of dead animals in the wake of a foot and mouth epidemic – or tried to boil a billycan over such material.
    A further contribution to such myths is the inherent xenophobia in most (particularly untraveled people) who have never considered the evidence of their own eyes and ears that clearly demonstrates that the vast majority of people are essentially well disposed toward their fellows. If it were not so, cultures would not exist*.
    That masses of people prefer to believe myths is easily demonstrated. One has only to cite the vast numbers of adherents to contradictory religious beliefs to prove the point.

    That being said, I am becoming aware of another level of power. A subtle power with access to the levers that guide the average “think”. I recommend this article if you have followed me this far:

    http://www.unz.com/article/modify-the-standards-of-the-in-group/

    This may seem to be a venture into so-called “conspiracy theory”. I would simply reply that it is a workable, doable project in a time-honored tradition – the tradition founded by the the progenitors of belief systems in all their various (contradictory) forms.
    Logic (as it is practiced by most) is overwhelmed by belief.

    *This is shorthand for a large essay I haven’t the time or inclination to write right now.

    • Replies: @Alan
  8. The significance of Parvus is that he seems to have been the originator of the scheme to send Lenin back to Russia in the sealed train.

  9. IceFire says:

    There is an article by David Duke I found a while ago that addresses some arguments about Jewish representation in the Soviet Union. Take it for what you will.

    https://davidduke.com/jewish-communist-holocaust-deniers-emerge/

  10. @Yellowford

    “Also wasn’t the real power in the 12 man politburos rather than the ministrys. How many Jews were in the first Bolshevik politburo? And how many in the first Menshevik politburo? I may be misinformed but I thought the first Menshevik politburo was entirely Jewish. Is that incorrect information?”

    Don’t expect Shamir to give you an honest answer. In 100 years, Jews like him will point to the overwhelmingly non-Jewish ethnic makeup of Congress and pretend that proves that Jews didn’t really run the USA.

    • LOL: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Jeffery Cohen
  11. Like the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act in this country, or our 2003 attack on Iraq, Bolshevism wouldn’t have happened without the Jews.

    Ten out of twelve members of the first Bolshevik Central Committee were Jews. Seventeen of twenty-two of the first Council of the People’s Commissars were Jews. Twenty-four of thirty-six members of the Extraordinary Commission of Moscow were Jews. And forty-two of sixty members of the Central Executive Committee were Jews. So 72 percent of the seats were filled from 4 percent of the population. And according to foreign observers who had dealings in Russia at the time, the non-Jews in the government frequently had a Jewish underling who was the real decision-maker. Moreover, high Gentile officials frequently had Jewish wives, as Stalin did–three, in fact.

    Among the forty-two Jews on the Central Executive Committee was Yakov Sverdlov, the president and the person who, following orders from Lenin (Jewish mother), signed the order to murder the Tsar and his wife and his children and the servants who had refused to abandon them. They were slaughtered by a small team of Jews in the cellar of a house all together in a hail of gunfire. Afterwards, one of the murderers, using the Tsar’s blood, wrote on the wall of the cellar

    מנא מנא תקל ופרסין

    the “writing on the wall” from the Book of Daniel which foretold the destruction of the king of Babylon for drinking out of the cups from the Jewish temple.

    Think about that. If you are four percent of the population and you can exterminate the royal line and write a taunting message in Hebrew with their blood, you are feeling confident of your power.

    But it was in the secret police, the feared and brutal NKVD, where Jews really held sway. They were the interrogators and torturers and executioners. They went after the high-IQ segment of the Russians–the professors, writers, artists–and wiped them out along with their children. They did things like drown people in barrels of human excrement. They hunted down the clergy and slaughtered them like animals along with, of course, their wives and children. Thousands of churches were razed. The synagogues and rabbinate went mostly unscathed. They implemented the GULAG and ran it. And profited off it.

    By the way, when the Bolsheviks came to power, there was celebrating among Jews in the West. Carnegie Hall was rented out, and your man Schiff sent a congratulatory letter, which was read out to the celebrants and reprinted in its entirety the next day on the front page of the New York Times.

    Nor were the Bolsheviks content with Russia. Serious efforts to spread the horror of Bolshevism to other countries were made. Jews played a significant role in helping Mao bring China under the yoke of barbarism. There was an attempted coup in Germany, still reeling from the Jewish betrayal in WWI, that was only put down with difficulty, and the two Jewish ringleaders executed. By the time Hitler was rising to power, the genocide of Russian Christians by Jewish Bolsheviks had been going on for twenty years. That’s why he ran against Jewish Communism, and if I had been there I would have voted for him.

    A big problem, I see, is the inability of many Jews to “come clean”. You can have all the evidence in the world, and present it perfectly, and the typical Jew will still refuse to admit the truth if it makes Jews look bad. The practical; result of this lack of introspection is Jews never know when to say “enough”. And that has very bad consequences for everyone.

    • Agree: anarchyst
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  12. Just when Mr Shamir threatens to change our minds by the apparent reliability of his heterodox evidence he can’t resist being naughty and teasing us with something really silly. Even by my early twenties experienced businessmen and lawyers had filtered into my head (long before I read Hayek) that socialism in the traditional sense of public ownership and control of the means of production (of both goods and services) was incompatible with human nature and designed to give inefficient bureaucrats featherbeds. Of course one of the less admirable aspects of human nature means that people’s competitive instincts will result in winners and losers from the use of state power. I ignore the possibility that the perfection of Orthodox Christianity exhibited by Russian peasants transmited seamlessly into altruistic egalitarian Christian Socialism. There were highminded socialists in abundance in the stagnant India of the first 50 years of independence just as one aide memoire.

    • Replies: @Tsigantes
  13. Thanks to Israel Shamir for expressing his radically different perspective, along with links and references to those who have done historical work using the Soviet archives which Gorbachev began to make accessible

    But it is damn hard for thoughtful people to sort things out here … If indefatigable researchers and readers such as Ron Unz can – as Shamir argues – be nonetheless swept up by deceptive propaganda … what can us humbler blokes do?

    One of the ‘Jewish conspiracy’ ideas rather favouring Shamir’s perspective, is the theme that the demonisation of the Soviet Union, and in particular of Stalin, was a direct result of Stalin’s purges which by the end of the 1930s, had strongly diminished the number of Jews in Soviet leadership positions … ‘Jewish anger’ then being the alleged reason for ascribing the ‘many millions killed’ theme to Stalin as well as to Hitler

    Those who defend the purges, sometimes say that Stalin had to first cleverly dispose of the ultra-fanatic ‘true believers’ under Jewish influence – using their own fanaticism to incriminate themselves – before being able to move against the Soviet centres of Jewish power

    There is some literature as well on the idea that former-religious-student Stalin rather ‘became a Christian’ again during World War II, allowing some Christian Orthodox revival in Russia to continue after the war, and showing great friendship for the Patriarch, Stalin making a secret peace with the faith of his ancestors in his final years

    Another notable figure in this debate, is Irish Stalinist Gearóid Ó Colmáin, also saying that the accusations of ‘Stalin’s great crimes’ are significantly fraudulent, Ó Colmáin contrasting Stalin’s allegedly more ‘authentic socialism’ versus what Ché Guevara had apparently called the ‘Khruschevite hucksterism’ of Stalin’s successors, somewhat predatory upon other ‘Communist bloc’ nations … Ó Colmáin is author of the striking ‘Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe’, recalling that Karl Marx himself viewed induced migration as an oligarchic manipulation … Ó Colmáin later got quite run off the leftist sites tho, for his support of the traditional Soviet idea that being gay was rather something of a mental disturbance, as well as Ó Colmáin’s anti-Zionist stridency

  14. anon[247] • Disclaimer says:

    There’s socialism. Then there’s National Socialism. Chose wisely, friendo.
    ~

    • Replies: @Heros
  15. Why, then, did Putin say that? Putin said that in order to get Jews off his back when they demanded a Jewish library presently in Moscow to be transferred to Brooklyn.

    Interesting. Why would they want that?

    • Replies: @Tsigantes
    , @Anonymous
  16. Great article. But it is just the scratch of the surface. More such articles are needed indeed like a flood of lies that started in 80′s about my country past and what Communists did for it. The fact is that Russia effectively cut her own throat at the end 80′s. It is all agony now as I see it. Demographic trends that sharply changed after the fall of the Soviet Union spell doom. Current Russian capitalistic regime is plainly illegitimate based upon theft and lies.

    • Agree: FB
  17. @Yellowford

    Were you given access to archives? I have been listening to this sort of crap since 80′s and I mightily fed up with it. Either fly to Moscow, get access to archives, spend months studying them to reveal what is now in the open or shut up.

    • Replies: @Yellowford
    , @Elentari
  18. RouterAl says:

    That is certainly an interesting article. I’m currently reading Solzhenitsyn’s 200 years together and just getting to 1917 and beyond. He has the number of dead at 66 million but that includes the victims of the Holodomor’s and all associated deaths. His list of the people who ran the Soviet union in the early days is predominantly Jewish and took Stalin up till the start of WW2 to significantly reduce these numbers.
    The author seems not to mention the German POW’s what happened to them after the war along with the Cossacks who were returned to the Soviet union most of whom were never seen again.
    It’s also certainly interesting the claim that Schiff did not provide 20 million dollars in gold to fund the revolution , that is almost heretical in the historical narrative of the revolution, however since Russia at the time had substantial gold reserves , maybe they stole those reserves.
    When I became a Holocaust disbeliever the main thing that caused my conversion was understanding how difficult it is to get rid of say a million bodies during WW2 and how numbers are always inflated. Even Stalin admitted that the Soviet army and people’s , 20 million loses in WW2 were actually less than 5 million and I suspect even that is high.
    I will need a lot of persuading however that the Jewish Bolshevik revolution was anything but a disaster for Russia and her people and Europe as a whole.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  19. G. Poulin says:

    Disingenuous. You can get any low number you want by eliminating entire categories from the list for various technical reasons. The vast majority of the victims never got the luxury of a formal arrest and trial. They were simply shot or starved to death. An administrative procedure. Did Stalin want to kill millions of Ukrainian and Russian peasants? Maybe not. But they died anyway as a result of forced collectivization, and Stalin could not have cared less. “Victims” doesn’t mean “arrested persons”. Thanks for the lies, Israel.

  20. I had been hoping for a line-by-line demolition of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s Two Hundred Years Together but the book isn’t even mentioned in passing. The chapters most relevant to the current discussion are probably 6 to 20 inclusive, ‘In the Russian revolutionary movement’ to ‘In the camps of GULag’. The book appeared briefly in French and German translations but has never been legitimately published in English, which rather suggests that, for certain powerful interests, it is too near the truth for comfort.

    A complete English translation of the book recently became available for download, here. Grab it before it disappears.

  21. Interesting piece of history but what’s the relevance to today?

    • Replies: @Allan
  22. 7 million arrested means that around 10% of arrests led to an executed death sentence (of the ones that were registered, that is) – an implausible figure, even by Soviet standards.

    (Incidentally, just for comparison, only 6,321 people were executed in Imperial Russia from 1825 to 1917 – an order of magnitude lower than in 1937-38 alone).

    That figure is also incompatible with imprisonment statistics, which were far higher as a share of the population during the Stalinist USSR than even in the modern US.

    Of course the people arrested for political causes in the US exist, but they are in the single digits, versus something like a third during Stalinism. And unlike the US, the USSR was never burdened with a pathologically criminalized Negro subpopulation.

    So in short, it seems wildly implausible. Though I do realize that Israel Shamir respects the opinions of this Roginsky fellow very much. :)

    So what were they? Well, here is the Soviet convictions rate from 1922-1960.

    As we see, they ran at close to one million during every year of the USSR. You’d easily get the 7 million after less than a decade.

    Note that these are convictions; numbers of arrests would have been higher.

    ***

    Jews are not the main financiers of the Bolsheviks – that “honor” went to the German General Staff, though a Jew, the Swedish banker Olof Aschberg, did later play a key role in pawning pilfered Russian gold and cultural treasures to pay for munitions deliveries to the Bolsheviks.

    Failing to mention the 40% Jewish composition of the NKVD from the early 1920s to the Great Purge is noted.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Mike P
    , @Ole C G Olesen
  23. The Russian revolution was in early 1917, democratic councils were installed all over the country.
    Not much bloodshed, as far as I know.
    What is commonly seen as Russian revolution was the coup by Lenin and the bolsjewists, bolsjewists meaning minority, at the end of 1917.
    These boljewists were mainly jews, Solsjenytsyn writes about jews in Russia ‘they hated Russians’.
    Alexander Solschenizyn, ´Die russisch- jüdische Geschichte 1795- 1916, >> Zweihundert Jahre zusammen <<´, Moskau 2001, München 2002
    describes in minute detail, with many references, how in the mentioned period most of world jewry lived in Russia, and how they resisted all assimilation efforts.
    In 1900 or so the tenth tsarist assimilation committee resigned.
    Count Witte, possibly Von Plehve, around 1900 said to Herzl, the inventor of zionism 'that he would gladly drown five million jews in the Black Sea, but it was not possible'.
    A short time later one of the mentioned men died in a bomb explosion on the Prague railway station.
    Who wants to know how Ukrainians thought about jews I can recommend, in this book also the democratic Russia from early 1917 until the bosjewist coup is described:
    Voline ( Vsevolod Mikhailovitsch Eichenbaum), ‘The unknown revolution (Kronstadt 1921 Ukraine 1918-21)’, New York 1955
    The sad thing about all this is that average income per head in tsarist Russia of 1905 was just reached again in the thirties.

  24. RVBlake says:

    I am skeptical of the glowing description of socialism herein, and that only the rich need fear such a system. Gulags aside, admittedly a big aside, what of the material scarcities understood to be a cornerstone of the USSR? More Western propaganda? And what of the brutalities exercised on Czechoslovakia in 1968, Hungary in 1956? And why a Berlin Wall and the killing of East Germans attempting to get over it to the West?

  25. utu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    While reading this piece by Shamir I had an impressionist it was written w/o an inner conviction. He just went through the motions with mostly hand waving and pointing finger at allegedly greater evils outside of the USSR like the US incarcerations stats.

  26. @G. Poulin

    Yes – similar thoughts: huge country, often chaotic times, men with guns with very broad “powers”. I just couldn’t guess at how many deaths made it onto paper or not.

  27. @ShutItDown

    Don’t expect Shamir to give you an honest answer. In 100 years, Jews like him will point to the overwhelmingly non-Jewish ethnic makeup of Congress and pretend that proves that Jews didn’t really run the USA.

    Israel Shamir, a wolf in sheep clothing. The wolf started to salivate when he saw the “Little Red Riding Hood”. Grandma, what large fangs you have for teeth…

  28. Some interesting parallels to note: Shamir now is saying that the Stalin and the Bolsheviks’ murder-numbers go from 50 to 7 million. Irving and Butz claim that Hitler and the Nazis killed many fewer Jews than we all seem to think. Where is this all going? Who are the real bad guys?

  29. They never were the leading force of the Revolution. Is it true (as Putin said and Ron Unz quoted) that Jews constituted perhaps 80-85% of the early Soviet government? No, it is not.

    The lying Putin, what do you expect from a Russian Leader!

    Why, then, did Putin say that? Putin said that in order to get Jews off his back when they demanded a Jewish library presently in Moscow to be transferred to Brooklyn. Putin had meant that the Jews in the first Soviet government had their reasons to nationalise the library, and he does not intend to revert their decision and give it away to American Jews. It was a smart answer, factually wrong, but very convincing and flattering for Jews, as Putin-the-lawyer (by his background) would give.

    Putin the lawyers gives a very convincing and flattering answer to his Masters the Jews. And, the Masters are titillated.

    A conniving, lying Putin, who titillates his Masters the Jews!

    I wonder what Saker will say about this?

  30. I believe that Alexander Solzhenitsyn and his figure of some 60 million and anyone who has read his book The Gulag Archipelago or Robert Conquests book Harvest of Sorrow would not doubt the enormity of the slaughter house the Bolsheviks were operating in the Soviet Union for over 60 years.

  31. Yeah Izzy. Right on. Big Capital bad. Big Jew Bolshevik murder rampage never happened.

    Liar. GFY Shamir you sack of shit.

    Fire the ovens. Forward.

  32. milosevic says:

    for a distinctly different historical overview, see here:

    Nicholas Lysson — Holocaust and Holodomor

    – which asks the question, “If two genocides occur within the span of a decade, in roughly the same geographic area, where the perpetrators of one are the victims of the other, and vice-versa, is it at all reasonable to believe that there is no connection between them?”

    • LOL: Allan
  33. T.T says:

    Already mentioned in the comments:
    - convictions versus arrests
    - arrests vs other ways of people being disposed of
    - holodomor

    to add on that:
    - starvation due to mass collectivization and murders that accompanied it
    - genocide of the German populations of Prussia and other territories

    with perhaps the biggest: forced mass population transfers.
    There used to be a good Wikipedia page on it some 10 years ago but has since been destroyed.

    it adds up.

  34. Mike P says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Those convictions all carried a prison sentence? Could these numbers include suspended sentences, fines, or other types of minor punishment?

  35. It’s the steady stream of outstanding, thought provoking articles like this one by Mr. Shamir (and the American Pravda series in particular) that have made The Unz Review such an important resource in my personal quest to understand this world that I’ve live in for over 5 decades….. and such a volume of material! It’s like trying to drink from a fire hose….. Thank you!

    • Replies: @Jeffery Cohen
  36. Never laughed so hard! You have to hand it to Izzy! He has chutzpah out the ass! No, Mr. Shamir, the real record of the “Socialists” and the Jews is a bit too well-documented for your bullshit to fly.

  37. Wade says:
    @Kirt

    Israel Shamir is an interesting writer whose current article goes against everything I was taught to believe. I do not have the expertise to confirm to disprove any of it. So I’ll just try to remain as open minded as I read all of the comments.

    I really enjoy Unz.com. I’ve learned a lot about history here. The lack of dogmatism on the site helps.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  38. “Serious efforts to spread the horror of Bolshevism to other countries were made.”

    Serious efforts were made to ‘maintain’ ‘the horror of Bolshevism’ in the USSR?

    “Taken together, these four volumes constitute an extraordinary commentary on a basic weakness in the Soviet system
    The Soviets are heavily dependent on Western technology and innovation not only in their civilian industries, but also in their military programs.
    An inevitable conclusion from the evidence in this book is that we have totally ignored a policy that would enable us to neutralize Soviet global ambitions while simultaneously reducing the defense budget and the tax load on American citizens.”

    http://www.crowhealingnetwork.net/pdf/Antony%20Sutton%20-%20The%20Best%20Enemy%20Money%20Can%20Buy.pdf

  39. Mike P says:

    I have not studied this question at any depth and can’t be sure if Shamir is correct or not. However, one thing that gives me pause is this quote from Shamir’s recent piece “Kamikaze from California,” in which he says with respect to the alleged holocaust:

    The details and facts are not really all that important. So many people were killed by their fellow-humans in the course of history, for a lot of reasons. Who cares?

    If the details do not matter there, why do they matter here? Why does he tell us about them now, after Ron’s coming out as a “holocaust denier?”

    I suspect that Shamir is less than honest. As Ron noted, ADL is AWOL – well, they realise that their cries of “antisemitism” won’t work with this audience. Since the cat is out of the bag regarding the age-old lies about Jewish victimhood, damage control now requires to fight their reputation as perpetrators. So, they use someone like Shamir to proffer this bit of historic revisionism.

    His thesis should still be examined on its own merit, of course, but the timing and general context smell rummy.

    • Agree: L.K
    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @renfro
  40. I read the last comments against Shamir.
    Not fair.
    Stalin was one of the worst psychopatic rulers ever, no doubt about it.
    He was no jew, and he did not trust jews.
    In August 1939 he fired jew Livinov in order to make a deal with Von Ribbentrop.
    In 1953, the story is, he planned to expel all jews in order to force a war with the west.
    The story further is that Chrustjow, with the jews, Chrustjow was on Stalin’s hit list on top, killed Stalin.
    If this is true, I do not know, the circumstances around Stalin’s death are of course not very clear.
    What is clear that in the mid thirties Davies, USA ambassador in Moscow, a nephew of Morgenthau sr, pretended, or really believed, that the trials were fair.
    Kennan in vain tried to convince him they were not.
    George F. Kennan, ´Memoirs 1925 – 1950’, New York 1967, 1972
    Someone like me, who suspects that already in 1933 there was a deal between international jewry, Samuel Untermeyer, who travelled several times to Moscow after the jewish declaration of war on Hitler, and FDR, are inclined to think that Davies simply did not want to see how the trials were just show.
    The book Darkness at Noon, title from memory, describes how Stalin’s victims were prepared for the show trials.

    Milovan Djilas, ‘Gesprekken met Stalin’, George Urban, ‘Gesprek met Milovan Djilas’, Bloemendaal 1991 (Conversations with Stalin, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1962)
    Edward Radinsky, ‘Stalin’, 1996, London, Amsterdam

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @anon
  41. @G. Poulin

    “Victims” doesn’t mean “arrested persons”.
    You are correct, Sir! That is the biggest problem with the article’s argument, but that the reported numbers are exaggerated and based on no reliable evidence is most likely.

  42. @Jaroslav Hašek

    It’s the steady stream of outstanding, thought provoking articles like this one by Mr. Shamir (and the American Pravda series in particular) that have made The Unz Review such an important resource in my personal quest to understand this world that I’ve live in for over 5 decades….. and such a volume of material! It’s like trying to drink from a fire hose….. Thank you!

    And, then people worry why The Unz Review is growing in strength after strength and ADL is silent as ever!

  43. @Sergey Krieger

    I was asking a question. The clue was in the question mark. Since you have obviously been to the archives why not simply answer the question? Look there’s another question mark.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  44. @Wade

    What Shamir does not mention, and I forgot in which book I read this, is that the Russian aristocracy was not liked by anyone.
    A British boy went every summer to his father in St Petersburg, where he was ambassador, or a high person at the embassy, do not remember.
    Anyhow, he accompanied his father to receptions and dinners, and found the Russian aristocracy a disgusting bunch.
    Now this was nothing special in E Europe, as one can read in
    Jaap Scholten, ‘Kameraad Baron, Een reis door de verdwijnende wereld van de Transsylvaanse aristocratie’, Amsterdam Antwerpen 2011

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  45. @RVBlake

    GULAG is a mere name of jails in the Soviet Union of the times. Material scarcities? Well, we did not have all that garbage that is called food in the West. All of our food was organic and actually very tasty.
    Brutality in Czechoslovakia ? You better watch your own brutality in Korea and Vietnam. That’s brutality. Czechoslovakia is just restoration an order among satellites who provided manufacturing capacity to Nazis invading USSR. Israel wrote excellent article but much more is required to clean all that lies and dirt thrown on my country.

    • Replies: @RVBlake
  46. They [Jews] never were the leading force of the Revolution

    The people seemed to think otherwise. Solzhenitsyn writes in Chapter 14 of Two Hundred Years Together:

    ‘By the time of the February Revolution there was no “popular anti-Semitism” in the internal regions of Russia, it was confined exclusively to the areas of the Pale of Settlement. (For instance, Abraham Cogan had even stated in 1917: “We loved Russia despite all the oppression from the previous regime because we knew that it was not the Russian people” behind it but Tsarism.) But after just a few months following the February Revolution, resentment against Jews had suddenly flared up among the masses of people and spread over Russia, growing stronger with each passing month. … The author Ivan Nazhivin noted that in the autumn in Moscow anti-Semitic propaganda fell on ready ears in the hungry revolutionary queues: “What rascals! They wormed themselves onto the very top! See, how proudly they ride in their cars. Sure, not a single Yid can be found in the lines here. Just you wait!”’

  47. Bruno says:

    Are those lists false or made up ?
    I don’t have any historical knowledge on this so it’s just a question.

    http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/bolshies.html

    The following is the list of members of the Central Executive Committee:

    NAME NATIONALITY
    Sverdlov (president) Jew
    Avanessof (sec.) Armenian
    Bruno Lett
    Babtchinski Jew
    Bukharin Russian
    Weinberg Jew
    Gailiss Jew
    Ganzburg Jew
    Danichevski Jew
    Starck German
    Sachs Jew
    Scheinmann Jew
    Erdling Jew
    Landauer Jew
    Linder Jew
    Wolach Czech
    Dimanstein Jew
    Encukidze Georgian
    Ermann Jew
    Joffe Jew
    Karkline Jew
    Knigissen Jew
    Rosenfeldt (Kamenef) Jew
    Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew
    Krylenko Russian
    KrassikofSachs Jew
    Kaprik Jew
    Kaoul Lett
    Ulyanov (lenin) Russian
    Latsis Jew
    Lander Jew
    Lounatcharski Russian
    Peterson Lett
    Peters Lett
    Roudzoutas Jew
    Rosine Jew
    Smidovitch Jew
    Stoutchka Lett
    Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jew
    Sosnovski Jew
    Skrytnik Jew
    Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew
    Teodorovitch Jew
    Terian Armenian
    Ouritski Jew
    Telechkine Russian
    Feldmann Jew
    Froumkine Jew
    Souriupa Ukranian
    Tchavtchevadze Georgian
    Scheikmann Jew
    Rosental Jew
    Achkinazi Imeretian
    Karakhane Karaim (Jew)
    Rose Jew
    Sobelson (Radek) Jew
    Sclichter Jew
    Schikolini Jew
    Chklianski Jew
    Levine (Pravdine) Jew

    • Replies: @T. Weed
    , @Feliks
  48. lulu says:
    @Cyrano

    The decades of “Red Scare” narrative/brainwashing has been so successful that most of the Americans would always lose any critical thinking and logic when come to the spoon-fed anti-commie propaganda by MSM.

    They are gladly buying any MSM bullcraps without batting an eyelid:

    - 40/80/100 of millions people died in Gulag in USSR;
    - 30 million died in the “great fame” after Great Leap Forward in China;
    - 1 million Uyghurs, 1/10 of the whole Uyghur population, is held in re-education (concentration) camps;
    - CPC forces Muslim Uyghurs eating pork!
    (Can someone rationally explain why CPC would do such stupid thing to give Western MSM and FUKUS the excuse to bash it? The same logic as why Assad would use chemicals in Syria.)

    All the achievements of Russian socialism – 8-hour working day, pensions, health care, protected tenancy, paid holidays, annual leave, no arbitrary sackings, – were adopted in Europe, and now are on their way out, because the rich guys won.

    It baffles me to no end whenever I see those commentators, who claim to propagate for American working class, take the bait on the “Red Scare” traps and bash socialism/communism without giving any thoughts about how their social benefits are the direct results of these USSR socialism/communism experiment/practice.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @Cyrano
    , @Anon
  49. This merry-go-round / up & down with mythical mind-boggling numbers reminds me of Biblical stories relating about the ten tribes of Israel that they were allegedly deported to Assyria, leaving two tribes (Judah & Benjamin) behind in an empty land. But archaeological findings disprove this narrative: there exists no time in which the lands of the ten tribes were without Jews. (excavations of the critical historical period in question show no presence of pig’s bones for example).
    So who is the inventor of mythical mind-boggling numbers (without historical proof)? Who first started in history with this boggling magic with numbers?

  50. Rogue says:

    Shamir states:

    Communism is Christianity minus God.

    Wrong. Communism is a Satanic counterfeit of Christianity. Richard Wurmbrand, a Jewish convert to Christianity who was imprisoned in Romania during the communist era, has written a short book about how Marx hated God and wanted “to dethrone Him”.

    I though Shamir is himself a Christian. This article seems quite odd to me.

    Anyway, I’m not buying it, and I’m certainly not wealthy either.

    • Replies: @Jeffery Cohen
    , @utu
  51. @Yellowford

    I have not been there but I believe those who were while many here ignore it and keep pushing what they have been told by liars who obviously have agenda in demonizing USSR. Shamir posted real documents with all information about Soviet first government with just one jew and yet they keep at it. Same with guys like desert fox repeating Solzhenicin lies about 60 million dead when solzhenicin was a known liar and traitor. Simple logic and demographic statistics debunk all these lies but they do not want anything to stand their way. Were they such a russophiles they would rejoice about small numbers of dead yet they do not like small numbers. Basically people want to hear what they want to hear and to the hell with truth.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  52. Dutch Boy says:

    Socialists make the mistake of believing that because some people don’t have enough private property, no one should have any. They are like the radical in G. K. Chesterton’s analogy who is committed to make sure that every child gets enough milk in his diet, discovers that it is difficult to accomplish and decides instead to abolish milk.

  53. utu says:

    The incomparable magnanimity of Bolshevik executioners

    Jewish revolutionary and humanitarian Yakov Yurovsky about his difficult revolutionary task of executing Tsar and his family in his own words:

    http://www.alexanderpalace.org/palace/YurovskyNoteEnglish.html
    And yet what beauty: those who revolted to liberate humanity, even in dealings with their irate enemies showed incomparable magnanimity not insulting [them], not diminishing [their] human dignity, not forcing the people to suffer unnecessarily – [people] who had to die because historical circumstances demanded it. These People strictly performed [their] difficult revolutionary duty – those to be executed learned their fate just two minutes before [their] death.

    The talk that the tsar and his family had to be shot by foreigners – the Letts, that somehow Russian workers and peasants could not have done the, this is all nonsense, which only foolish and desperate monarchists would believe. The fact of expediting the execution of the family was provoked not by us, but because of the approaching contra-revolutionaries, and particularly because of the extraordinary “care” about the destiny of Nikolai on the part of his close haughty relatives and attendees.

    Did Yakov Yurovsky go beyond and above his simple revolutionary duty of killing the Tsar?

    https://meduza.io/en/feature/2017/11/30/federal-investigators-have-reopened-the-tsar-nicholas-ii-murder-case-and-the-russian-orthodox-church-wants-them-to-consider-a-notoriously-anti-semitic-conspiracy-theory

    In the 1920s, British journalist Robert Wilton wrote several books defending the theory that the Romanovs were murdered in a “ritual killing.” According to his work, Sokolov inspected the Ipatiev House, where the executions took place, and discovered a German phrase inscribed on one of the walls that read: “Belsatzar ward in seibier Nacht / Von seinen Knechten umgebracht.” It was a quote from German poet Heinrich Heine’s ballad “Belsatzar” (“Belsatzar was killed this night by his own servants”), referring to Babylonian king Belshazzar, who is known in the Talmud as a tyrannical oppressor of Jews. Beside the passage from Heine, Wilton said Sokolov discovered four incomprehensible symbols that he described as “cabalistic.”

  54. @lulu

    Your last par about the origins of the welfare state suggest you have never heard of Bismarck or indeed of Lloyd George before WW1.

  55. utu says:

    How many Russian Orthodox clergy were killed? Is the number that overall 300,000 were killed is credible?

    Wiki reports that in 1922 alone 8,000 clergy was murdered. In 1937-38 167,000 were arrested and 100,000 were shot.

    Now, the question who. Is it reasonable to consider that Jewish and Lutheran (like Latvians) and also Muslim Bolsheviks were much more inclined to instigate the killings and had less inhibitions to carry out the killings of Russian Orthodox clergy? Would Jews had the greatest animus to kill the priests?

  56. Cortes says:

    Amazing how many marvellously well educated and healthy, talented people people such a sink of perfidy and fear could produce despite the horrors of foreign occupation, sanctions and the best efforts of the Nazis.
    Amazing also how blinkered western populations are to conditions in their own countries. I’m old enough to recall the truly appalling private sector housing endured by many in the UK up until the provision in the late 1960s of decent homes by (largely) local councils dominated by the Labour Party. In the USA I’m led to believe that visitors to many places in the wealthiest country in the world were horrified to see abject poverty in many States prior to LBJ’s “Great Society” programme.
    The “Downton Abbey/Waltons” schmaltzy view of reality is just entertainment for children, exactly the same as mainstream “historiography” – narrators have careers to develop, bosses to keep sweet.

    Thanks for that essay, Mr Shamir!

  57. utu says:

    What about the Polish Operation of the NKVD? Wiki states that in 1937–1938 it resulted in the sentencing of 139,835 people, and summary executions of 111,091 Poles.

    People often were arrested because they had Polish sounding names. Great Purge of Poles in Leningrad:

    In Leningrad, the NKVD reviewed local telephone books and arrested almost 7,000 citizens with Polish-sounding name with the vast majority of such nominal “suspects” were executed within 10 days of arrest.

    Would Israel Shamir claim now that the numbers were inflated or that all those shot got what they had coming because they were spies?

  58. @Rogue

    I though Shamir is himself a Christian. This article seems quite odd to me.

    LOL! You must be joking, right? With a name like Israel and a name like Shamir, you thought he is a Christian.

    • Replies: @Rogue
  59. Agent76 says:

    Jan 10, 2011 War is a Lie

    In talks at San Jose Peace & Justice Center and in Santa Cruz, historian David Swanson revealed the truth behind the lies that led to the wars held sacred by many — the American Revolution, the Civil War and World War II.

  60. utu says:
    @Rogue

    I thought Shamir is himself a Christian.

    Baptism often is rejected by the immune system particularly of the Jewish kind. Jacob Frank was baptized at least two times and many did not believe that any of his baptisms really took.

  61. TheOldOne says:

    Shamir now joins Fred Reed in the “cracked, but fascinating to some” category.

  62. kapimo says:

    Israel Shamir takes the list of the first Bolshevik Government to prove Jews were not that numerous at the top of Bolshevik state.
    Still, Robert Wilton, Times correspondent in Russia at the time, disclosed in a book from supposedly the official bolshevik lists published in 1918, the following contents of the real powers at the head of the Bolshevik state:

    Bolshevik Party central committee (real main power): 3 Russians, 12 jews
    Bronstein (Trotski), Apfelbaum (Zinoviev), Lourie (Larine), Ouritski, Volodarski, Rosenfeldt (Kamenev), Smidovitch, Sverdlof (Yankel), Nakhamkes (Steklof). JEWS
    Oulianov (Lenin), Krylenko, Lounatcharski. RUSSIAN .

    [MORE]

    Central Executive Committee: 20 non jews, 41 jews
    Y. Sverdklof, president, Jew; Avanessof, secretary, Armenian; Bruno, Letton; Breslau, Letton; Babtchinski, Jew; Boukharine, Russian; Weinberg, Jew; Gailiss, Jew; Ganzburg, Jew; Danichevski, Jew; Starek, German; Sachs, Jew; Scheinmnn, Jew; Erdling, Jew; Landauer, Jew; Linder, Jew; Wolach, Czech; Dimanstein, Jew: Encukidze, Georgian; Ermenn, Jew; Ioffe,Jew; Karkhline, Jew; Knigissen, Jew; Rosenfeldt (Kamenef), Jew; Apfelbaum (Zinovief), Jew; Krylenko, Russian; Krassikof, Jew; Kapnik, Jew; Kaoul, Letton; Oulianof (Lenin), Russian; Latsis, Jew; Lander, Jew; Lounatcharski, Russian; Oeterson, Letton; Peters, Letton; Roudzoutas, Jew; Rosine, Jew; Smidovitch, Jew; Stoutchka, Letton; Smiltch, Jew; Nakhamkes (Steklof), Jew; Sosnovski, Jew; Skrytnik, Jew; Bronstein (Trotski), Jew; Teodorovitch, Jew; Terian, Armenian; Ouritski, Jew; Telechkine, Russian; Feldmann, Jew; Froumkine, Jew; Souriupa, Ukrainian; Tchavtchevadze, Georgian; Scheikmann, Jew; Rosental, Jew; Achkinazi, Imeretrian; Karakhane, Karaim; Rose, Jew; Sobelson (Radek) Jew; Schlichter, Jew: Schikolini, Jew; Chklianski, Jew; Levine (Pravdine), Jew;.

    Revolutionary Council of the People: 5 non jews, 17 jews
    Oulianof, (Lenin), president, Russian; Tchitcherine, Foreign Affairs, Russian; Lounatcharski Public Education, Russian; Djougachvili, Nationalities, Georgian; Protian, Agriculture, Armenian; Lourie (Larine), Economic Council, Jew; Schlichter, Food Supplies, Jew; Bronstein (Trotski), War and Navy, Jew; Lander, State Control, Jew; Kauffman, Public Land, Jew; Schmidt, Labor, Jew; E. Lilina (Knigissen), Public assistance, Jew; Spitzberg, Religion (Cults), Jew; Apfelbaum (Zinovief), Interior, Jew; Avelt, Hygiene, Jew; Isidore Goukovski, Finances, Jew; Volodarski, Press, Jew; Ouritski, elections, Jew; I. Steinberg, Justice, Jew; Fenigstein, Refugees, Jew; Savitch and Zaslavski, his assistants, Jews.

    Tcheka (secret police) governing body: 13 non jews, 23 jews

    Overall high ranking public servants of bolshevik state: 108 non jews, 458 jews

    I have no reason not to believe Putin (“80-85%”), who has direct access to all the archives, and has no reason to lie on that matter

    • Replies: @renfro
  63. Thea says:

    Socialism and a social welfare state are different ustens. It’s possibble to have 8 hour work days, health care and safe working conditions without government confiscation of all private property.

    Soviet health care left a lot to be desired with no way to get it unless you were high up in the party. If Americans adopted communism, we’d be in the same place we are now: elites in control of the masses just with a slightly different flavor.

    • Replies: @Zidar
  64. Heros says:
    @anon

    Or to put it another way, National Socialism is merely Socialism with out Jews and all the hatred and depravity that they bring with them.

    Socialism can work in high trust societies, and actually can be non-coercive and function truly by consent. The key is high trust, and since jews can lie with impunity to goyim and they even have kaballistic ceremony that allows it: kol nidtre.

    The real issue is how big can a society be and still maintain high levels of trust? That is clearly dependent on the character of the people involved. Where I have seen socialism work for centuries is in racially and religiously pure small European mountain villages cut off from big cities. Usually debts are not measured in usurous monetary terms, but in labor or produce like meat, cheese and vegetables. Clearly, the bigger the city, the more money will be flowing there, and that will attract jews like honey attracts flies.

    You might be able to have working socialism, or you can jews, but you can’t have both. Jews lie to goyim by their very nature. By far South Africa’s biggest problem is its communist jews who won their judeo-communist take over, just like in Russia in 1917.

  65. @steinbergfeldwitzcohen

    These comments — I haven’t seen a pile-on like this since Superbowl XXIV. I was about to add my 2¢ but steinbergfeldwitzcohen’s Brooklyn eloquence reflects my sentiments precisely.

    Sorry, never trust a guy named Israel.

  66. RVBlake says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    I never claimed the U.S. never committed brutalities in Korea or Vietnam. Whether ‘we” did or not is meaningless to my claim that Soviet tanks rolling through Prague and Budapest against the native peoples was barbaric. You make it appear that Soviet “restoring order” among satellites was justified by their support of Nazis attacking the USSR. That’s some grudge. Oh, and your satellites – their countries. So your commercial foodshelves were full of organic food between 1917 and 1991. Got it.

  67. I’m afraid this crosses the line from iconoclastic to silly.

  68. EugeneGur says:
    @RVBlake

    Gulags aside, admittedly a big aside

    GULAG existed from about 1919 to 1953, or 35 years, including the time of the civil war and WWII. The Soviet Union then existed for another 39 years without GULAG, from 1953 to 1991.

    what of the material scarcities understood to be a cornerstone of the USSR? More Western propaganda?

    The short answer is yes, it was and is Western propaganda. By now the Russian people having experienced the blessed capitalism know full well the value of what they had in Soviet times. The real shortages happened after the civil war and WWII, which is not precisely the fault of socialism, and at the very end in late 1980s. There is good evidence that these late shortages were artificially manufactured. But those were nothing in comparison with the ‘capitalist” 1990s, which is a horror memory for everyone in Russia but a tiny minority.

    And what of the brutalities exercised on Czechoslovakia in 1968, Hungary in 1956? And why a Berlin Wall and the killing of East Germans attempting to get over it to the West?

    I am not going to argue how brutal was Czechoslovakia in 1968 or even Hungary in 1956 in comparison, say, to Yugoslavia of 1999. But if you list all the brutalities executed by the capitalism, even normalized by years of its existence, the Soviet Union will come up very, very short.

    • Replies: @RVBlake
    , @Macs
  69. Ron Unz says:

    Well, it’s been decades since I studied Soviet Russia, and I anyway don’t read Russian. That being said, I’m pretty skeptical of Israel’s analysis.

    First, if the Soviet domestic body-count were so vastly lower than the traditional figure and based on solid evidence, I’d be *very* surprised if no respectable Western academic had ever mentioned that fact. After all, I don’t think anyone in Western Europe or North America has ever been prosecuted for “Stalinist Purge Denial” or even lost their jobs over that sort of thing. As far as I know, Prof. Stephen Cohen over at The Nation had made a strong effort to defend Soviet Communism during the 1990s and afterward, and I’d think that at least a few people in the West would have cited these figures.

    As someone mentioned upthread, in all the Soviet books I used to read, there were widespread accounts of entire peoples being shipped off to Siberia for various offenses, with substantial fractions of them dying. Presumably these deaths don’t count at KGB “arrests,” so one wonders what other sorts of figures are left out.

    With regard to the overwhelmingly Jewish role in early Soviet Communism, I think it’s extremely important to distinguish between the USSR’s Government and its Party, which was totally controlled by the latter. For example, I think during nearly the first two decades of Stalin’s dictatorship, he had no *government* position whatsoever, but he still totally controlled the country, and could purge any government leaders he didn’t like. And I think the Party was overwhelmingly Jewish during the first couple of decades.

    Here’s an analogy. There’s never been an American president or vice-president who was Jewish, so perhaps some future journalist could claim that Jews had no power in America, but that’s not correct. Similarly, I think only a relatively small number of British Jews were in the Tony Blair/Gordon Brown government, but their influence was overwhelming, exercised through other channels such as the major donors or the MSM. Different countries have different mechanisms of political control at different times, and for the Bolsheviks, it was the Party not the official government. And I think the top levels of the Party were overwhelmingly Jewish in the aftermath of the Bolshevik Revolution.

  70. @Ron Unz

    In a West Point yearbook is written, did not see it personally, that Eisenhower was a jew.
    James Bacque, ´Der geplante Tod, Deutsche Kriegsgefangene in amerikanischen und französischen Lagern 1945 – 1946, Frankfurt/M, 1989, 1994 (Other losses, Toronto, 1989)
    describes how Eisenhower mainly, De Gaulle collaborated, killed about a million German POW’s.
    The book quotes an Eisenhower letter where the sentence ‘we should have killed more Germans’ was not presented to the public.
    So, was Eisenhower a jew, quite possible, in my opinion.
    BTW, Franklin Roosevelt descended from Portuguese jews.

    • Replies: @FKA Max
  71. Thank you Israel Shamir, for setting the record straight.

    Communism was good for Russia. Yeltsin killed more than Stalin. Few Jews in power.

    Look, I didn’t need all that riffling through libraries. Here’s the irrefutable logic.

    The mass media tells me Stalin killed all those people. Over and over again.

    Therefore, he didn’t. Easy as pie. Anything the mass media tells you, especially over and over again, is a lie.

    An always reliable way of finding the truth.

  72. @Ron Unz

    Well, it’s been decades since I studied Soviet Russia, and I anyway don’t read Russian. That being said, I’m pretty skeptical of Israel’s analysis.

    Ron you are a good man. You let everyone to say their piece, without any discrimination and without censorship. You let the Truth to come out, and it is the best way to defeat Evil.

    Many thanks!

  73. Rogue says:
    @Jeffery Cohen

    I’m reasonably newish to UR, so haven’t read that much of Shamir’s stuff.

    The few articles of his that I have read – with the notable exception of this one – I’ve generally quite enjoyed.

    Anyway, yes, I presumed he was a Jewish convert to Christianity.

    Maybe he can enlighten us himself.

  74. Martina says:

    Interesting discussion. Im not convinced. But still listening.

  75. Israel is overstating his case by some degrees, and he simplifies some the matters involved. Yes – bolshevism is christianity without God – and iwas the basis of the new order that inherits the tsarist domain. It is a brotherhood of the nations – but inherits some of the raw hatred of the peasant in the shtetl. The main killer under communism is not the NKVD, but good, old mother Hunger during the forced collectivisation and industrialisation.

    The intellectual leadership in the movement has some strong, judaic features – such as hostility to the Church. But this is not a Jew/Goy-matter – it’s the configuration of ideas. As citizen of one of Russias neighbouring countries, I know that many of the same ideas dominatet in the Scandinavian countries – even if Norway had an extremely small Jewish population, most of it not engaged in the labour movement.

    It is – and will always be – a rough ride when a big empire falls and a revolutionary government inherit the throne. The Soviet Union had som bloody periods during forced c0llectivisation and during Yeshovs purges. But the ordinary American have a one-sided picture of these questions. I recommend Israels piece as a counterweight – even if he overstate his case by some degrees.

  76. @Mike P

    ” age-old lies about Jewish victimhood ”
    The one and only antisemitic book I was able to get is
    Johannes Öhquist, ´Das Reich des Führers, Ursprung und Kampf, Weltanschauung and Aufbau des Nationalsozialismus, geschildert von einem Ausländer’, Bonn 1941
    If in a book like this jews are described as being victims, who will doubt it ?
    Solomon Katz, ‘The Jews in the Visigothic and Frankish Kingdoms of Spain and Gaul’, Cambridge 1937
    The book is written by a jew, and it is difficult to judge if at the time jews were loyal subjects, but that they often were victims, little doubt.
    J.S Bromley, ed., The new Cambridge modern history, volume VI, The rise of Great Britain and Russia, 1688 – 1715/25’, 1970 Cambridge
    contains an antisemitic part on jewish usury.
    Alas, if one reads how the Habsburgs behaved towards those who lent them money, an interest rate of 50% per year does not seem unreasonable to me.
    Lending money to the Habsburg, a deadly, literally, risk.
    Then there is the famous, seen as antisemitic, novel Jud Süss, Göbbels abused the book for an antisemitic movie, forbidden to this day, but parts of it were broadcast on German tv.
    In my opinion the book is more anti German petty king than antisemitic.
    Jakob Wassermann, ‘Die Juden von Zirndorf’, 1897 1999 München
    Partly a novel, but I’ve little doubt that the book describes real circumstances.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  77. Cyrano says:
    @lulu

    You don’t have to be a genius to figure it all out. If socialism was good, really, really good for the majority of the people – the poor mostly, would the capitalists tell them?

    I mean really, how stupid are the stupids in the west? Why would their capitalist overlords tell them that the socialism is good for them? So they – the rich – can lose it all? There is no intelligent life in the west. Nobody can use logic and reasoning.

    I am not advocating conversion to socialism here. Socialism is good for about 80% of the people. Capitalism is good for maybe 20%. If you are entrepreneur, someone with business sense, innovator, scientist – capitalism is better for those kind of people.

    For an ordinary shmuck, with no special talents, no great ambitions, or great ideas – socialism is better for those kinds of people. Both pure socialism and pure capitalism suck in their own way. But a better balance with elements of both can be worked out. Not the phony socialism – embrace of the multiculturalism that’s on a verge of destroying western civilization. That’s not socialism, it’s a cheap trick to fool the fools about the generosity and humanity of elites

  78. @Rogue

    Maybe he can enlighten us himself.

    LOL!

    When someone mother is Jewish, can she/he suddenly become un-Jewish!

    When someone is chosen, then she/he is chosen, and there is no but/if about it.

    • Replies: @Rogue
  79. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    There are no “Stalinist Purge Denial” laws but talking about prominent role of Jews and their overrepresentation in Bolshevik and Stalinist crimes is not possible in the mainstream media.

    Stalin’s Willing Executioners: Jews as a Hostile Elite in the USSR — by Kevin MacDonald

    https://archive.org/details/StalinsWillingExecutioners/page/n1

    https://archive.org/stream/StalinsWillingExecutioners/StalinsWillingExecutioners_djvu.txt

  80. nickels says:

    It seems to me that the most salient evidence against Shamir’s theory is a simple cursory glance at how the revolution is being stoked in America, and how many of the relevant actors are members of the ‘usual suspects’.
    It really isn’t that difficult to understand. The very identity of the revolutionaries is defined by being against Western Christian society. That they would work to overthrow it and cause it to fail is a tautology of their very essence.

    As far as the wonders of socialism and revolutionary upheaval, I think the Dr. Zhivago book, by the interesting member of the ‘usual suspects’, Pasternak, does a very good job at describing through his characters the insanity of the whole project. The 2006 Russian miniseries captures the decline by counterpoising the gaiety and joy of the early bourgeois family against the soviet ‘bunkhouse’ at the end, where everything is tawdry, distorted, crude and asinine to the extreme.
    The revolution then, as today, is a project of the tawdry, nihilist Oligarchs, not the people. When all is said and done, all that happens is their boorishness becomes totally mainstream. They don’t lose their power, they don’t lose their money. Their rebel army, the avante garde, goes up, the bourgeois come down, but they stay they same.

    I’m not sure what I’m trying to say, but to heck with the rebels and their foul project.

  81. @Rogue

    Maybe he can enlighten us himself.

    Lots of Jews have infiltrated Islam too, as Muslims. One such prominent personality in Islam, which comes to mind is called, “Father of Kittens”. Done umpteen of harm to Islam. Though most Muslims will not agree with me and call him, Abu Hurairah (Father of Kittens) with the added title of RA (meaning, May God be pleased with him).

    • Replies: @pensword
  82. George says:

    What’s Red ZOG? It doesn’t appear to me that the early 1900s communists or even Jews were Zionists as a group. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were more Zionists in the USA than USSR at that time.

    I personally wonder if the Bolsheviks were really just city folk who ran the Soviet Union in a manner to suit them, using communist rhetoric to explain their asset stripping. They stripped peasants mostly of their property rights and forced them into cities in a manner similar to the UK or corralled them similar to native populations in the US.

    • Replies: @Pft
  83. Martina says:

    Btw, i read Arkady Vaksbergs “Lubjanka”. It described beurocratic and legal absurdities of a socialist states very well. However, it seemed extremely etnocentric. Victims of the NKVD tended to be jewish and the main torturer described had a germanic name. This is probably as far from being representative of the real events as can be.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @utu
  84. @Ron Unz

    Everything is opened now and Israel article is based upon hard facts from original and direct sources.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  85. anarchyst says:

    I think Israel Shamir is attempting to “sugar coat” the communist system. His Bolshevik communist roots are showing…
    Let’s look at the Soviet system rationally. Food shortages, except for maybe a few basic staples, shortages of just about everything else, special stores only for party officials who had access to foreign currency–not rubles, country “dachas” for the well-connected and party officials, and many other “perks and privileges” for party officials–definitely not for the “proletariat”.
    Shamir leaves out a very important aspect of most “communist paradises”–the need for permission to leave the country–there were always family members who were not given permission, in order to assure that the rest of the traveling family would return, and not seek asylum in the West, and “last but not least”–walls with guard towers with the guards positioned “inward” to prevent people from escaping.
    After WW2, captured Russian POWs who were repatriated were automatically sent to the gulags for “dishonoring the motherland”. Let’s not forget the “political cadres” who traveled with Russian troops, to assure that no troops would “retreat”–a bullet awaited any Russian soldier that resisted in the face of battle.
    Mr. Shamir’s attempts to “sanitize” and “rehabilitate” the jewish inventors and promoters of communism is an abject failure.
    It is interesting to note that the oligarchs who descended on Russia after the “fall of communism” and took over the industries were also primarily jewish.

    • Replies: @Spisarevski
  86. Rogue says:
    @Jeffery Cohen

    No, I think you’re talking nonsense.

    There are, and have always been, genuine Jewish converts to Christianity.

    Not in large numbers, of course. Of that, I’m well aware. Plus bogus converts. I’m aware of that too.

    There are Jews who convert to Christianity today. So why couldn’t Shamir be one of them? Because of his name? Ridiculous!

    Anyway, I’m not gonna get tied up in nonsense on this score. He converted to Christianity? Good. He didn’t? Not so good.

    I generally like his style – this Communist apology notwithstanding.

  87. RVBlake says:
    @EugeneGur

    Yes, the U.S./NATO attack on Yugoslavia of 1999 was hideous, which Clinton will carry to his grave. As are the U.S.-engendered conflicts in the Mideast from 1990 to present. I shall have to investigate the issue of shortages in the USSR, have never heard different. Thanks

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  88. I don’t know what the real number of innocents slaughtered by the Bolsheviks is. Maybe it’s 20 million maybe less maybe more. I know one thing, that it is higher than the fake 6 million holohoax number used to slander Germans.

    Before anyone starts to get a warm feeling in their heart for the Bolshie s I highly suggest you view a You Tube video Who really did 911 by Chris Bollyn . It this doesn’t piss you off you deserve to be a slave

  89. utu says:
    @Martina

    Menachem Begin was interrogated by NKVD in Yiddish.

  90. pensword says:
    @Jeffery Cohen

    What evidence do you have that Abu Hurairah was a Jew?

  91. @Ron Unz

    Mr Unz, YOU have earned my Respect, and, most importantly, MY TRUST.
    I’m privileged & honored, knowing when I ‘link’ to your work so others may deepen their knowledge base as well as develop their *Critical Thinking Skills* that, Ron Unz does his ‘very best’ to inform the general public.
    As I myself have always tried to do in my long Life.
    Kudos.
    As for I.S., even though I’m familiar with his work for ca. 10 years now, neither 2-traits mentioned above apply.

  92. phil says:
    @Kirt

    I really like Israel Shamir, including much of this article. “Genocides” and “Holocausts” generally have had smaller dimensions than claimed. But minimal economic freedom (as in North Korea, pre-1978 China (sorry Godfree Roberts), Venezuela, and the USSR) is bad for average living standards, which is not to say that a “safety net” and some related programs are undesirable. There are diminishing returns to economic freedom (property rights, free markets, etc.), but once economic freedom falls below 6 or 5 (on a scale from 0 to 10; see the Fraser Institute, freetheworld.com), then watch out.

  93. utu says:
    @Martina

    Boris Vieniaminovich Rodos (son of a Jewish tailor) colonel of the NKVD and Ministry of State Security. Deputy head of the Investigative Department.

    notorious for torturing prisoners under interrogation, including leading commmunists, and the writer Isaac Babel

    https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-rodos-stalinist-executioner-son-nkvd-stalin/28249918.html

  94. Pft says:
    @George

    Actually Zionism and Marxist beliefs were both strong in Russia and divided those Jews who supported one ideology or the other. Zionism was not a realistic option at the time as this was before the Balfour declaration, so both camps joined in the revolution

    Stalins purges in the late 30’s came when pro-Zionists became a concern as Palestine was increasingly populated with Jews and Israel became closer to being a reality. Stalin required undivided loyalty to the state so religion and political zionism were not condoned

    After WWII and Israel came into being Golda Meir came for a visit tens of thousands of Jews took to the streets to see and cheer her. Stalin was concerned and became even more suspicious so purged some more before his death ( Stalin earlier had claimed a group of predominantly Jewish doctors from Moscow were conspiring to assassinate Soviet leaders)

    Its interesting but the first Jewish state outside Palestine was Khazaria which was defeated by Russians ending their empire. Khazaria encompassed much of the territory of what is now Ukaraine and Crimea. Thats likely the reason Russia had the largest Jewish population before WWI

    Today Moscow has the largest Israeli expat population in the world and Russians make up a significant percentage of Israels population

    Russias chief Rabbi (also known as Putins rabbi since he appointed him) is from Brooklyn, as his orthodox sect Chabad is based in Brooklyn. Chabad originally began in Russia with the Rebbe leaving sometime in the 1930’s I believe (not sure exactly) and leaving his library behind . Putin refused to send it to Chabad in Brooklyn when requested. Thats when he mentioned 80-85%

    A couple of Russias biggest oligarchs who supported Putin are among Chabads biggest supporter-members along with Jared Kushner and Trumps former partner Felix Sater. Every year since 1978 the US President has issued a proclamation declaring the now late and last Chabad Rebbes birthday according to the hebrew calendar a holiday

    • Replies: @utu
  95. Miro23 says:

    Ron Unz is doing an important and beneficial job for American public, as he reveals deceit in the core of the dominant narrative.

    I agree with this ( American public??), but Unz Review does usefully allow different points of view.

    And talking about dominant narratives, it’s worth saying that the Holocaust (complete with wild exaggeration) appears all over media and school curriculums in the West, whereas the victims of the Gulag and Bolshevik totalitarianism are largely absent and have few memorials.

    A good source on the Gulag (“The History of the Gulag: From Collectivization to the Great Terror”) and Stalin (“Master of the House: Stalin and His Inner Circle (The Yale-Hoover Series on Stalin, Stalinism, and the Cold War)” is Oleg Khlevniuk. He’s a historian and senior researcher at the State Archive of the Russian Federation in Moscow, and his writing is carefully document based without particularly trying to interpret or hypothesize the factual evidence that he collects. He selects from the voluminous records in an even handed way and let the documents speak for themselves.

    Some notes that I made after reading his “Master of the House”:

    Stalin appears as a tricky scheming liar who was also thuggish (“We’ll knock your teeth in…..”, “Go f… your mother”, “You’re next”), spending weeks reading torture confessions, fabricating evidence, crying victimization, betraying colleagues and showing a complete lack of ethics or humanity.

    Lenin brought him into the Bolshevik leadership precisely for these qualities (he wanted an “enforcer”) with the theme of the book being the way he went from a ridiculed outsider among a group of international Bolshevik Jewish revolutionaries to their administrator, to ally of one or the other, until after 20 years he became their executioner under absolute dictatorship and the disappearance of every trace of collegiate government.

    An interesting aspect of the book is the way that Khlevniuk shows how hardworking Stalin was throughout his “career”. If you can actually call him a “manager” he was very “hands on” keeping a meticulous record of information from the earliest days. Lenin’s heirs laughed about the Donkey Bureaucrat and Trotsky holidayed in the Crimea while Stalin tapped their telephones and built loyalties to himself after the death of Lenin. The book shows that this tendency only grew over time until under his eventual dictatorship no major decision could be taken without his agreement, usually working through his chairmanship of the Bureau of the Council of People’s Commissars.

    The author shows that the suggested splits in the Party in the 1930′s and theories about independent power groups are not at all supported by the evidence. All Russians from the Politburo downwards clearly lived in fear of Stalin as a matter of life and death, and the most that one could say was that the heads of different ministries would compete with each other for resources (i.e. to produce some results).

    Khleveniuk interestingly says on P.215, “The Soviet system, inherently unwieldy and inefficient, constantly demanded extraordinary efforts from the heads of its administrative apparatuses. Stalin, therefore, strove to surround himself with workaholics with organizational skills. By the same token , Stalin got rid of those who were not performing because of poor health or who simply failed to exhibit sufficient energy and competence.”

    Stalin’s massive policy failures with regard to forced industrialization and the collectivization of agriculture of the early 1930′s were blamed on the old Bolshevik leadership which was liquidated (apart from a few of the highest ranks) in his Great Terror starting in 1937. He murdered or deported every element on the population that could present the slightest opposition to his dictatorship and prepared for war with greatly increased military spending and rediscovered Russian nationalism.

    The author makes the interesting point that, “Wartime centralization paradoxically went hand in hand with increased independence in operational matters at all levels. The main criterion for evaluating performance was the attainment of specific results.” i.e. When it became a matter of life or death for his dictatorship, efficiency had to be augmented by diffusing central control.

    The October 1917 Revolution itself was witnessed day by day by the US Ambassador to Russia, David R. Francis and he recounted events in his excellent memoir ” Russia from the American Embassy, April 1916 – November 1918″.

    Some notes that I made after reading this one:

    David R.Francis was the mayor of St Louis, the Governor of Missouri, U.S. Secretary of the Interior and finally the U.S. ambassador to Russia for 5 years from March 1916 to March 1921.

    He was appointed to his ambassadorship by Woodrow Wilson and made a point of committing all official and unofficial interviews and incidents to paper immediately after they happened to provide a true and faithful record of events in his dispatches to Washington.

    This book was derived from his notes so it has a rather irregular flow as he makes a determined effort to include all the relevant details of events in Russia. The result is an invaluable firsthand account of the Russian revolution(s) from a uniquely placed American who had personal contact with Lenin, Trotsky, Kerensky, Rodzianko, Miliukoff and almost all the other leading actors.

    The text is of great value for anyone remotely interested in the Russian revolution and is full of surprises:

    Trotsky arrived in Russia from New York’s East Side and Lenin arrived via Germany and Switzerland. With regard to Lenin, General William Hoffmann, the Chief of Staff of the Eastern Army of Germany admitted after the war that they had funded and sent Lenin to Russia to destabilize the Russian army and that he honestly, “…never knew or foresaw the danger to humanity from the consequences of this journey of the Bolsheviks to Russia.”

    In fact the German’s launch of Lenin had considerable success as he unilaterally issued General Order Nº1 as the self appointed head of the Council of Soldiers and Workingmen’s Deputies (ignoring the Provisional Government) commanding all military units to remove their existing officers and elect new ones. This was coupled with promises to stop the war and give all peasant soldiers their own private farms, which predictably went down very well with them and wrecked army discipline. The Bolsheviks and Germany eventually signed the Brest-Litovsk Peace treaty in March 1918 allowing Germany to move over 100 divisions to the West resulting in the further loss of hundreds of thousands of French, British and American soldiers’ lives.

    Probably the most interesting part of this first class book is Francis’ analysis of the failure of the Provisional Government in the face of Bolshevik extremism.

    He was well disposed towards the original Russian revolutionaries as they surprisingly peacefully displaced the Czarist autocracy and promoted a constitutional monarchy (Rodzainko and Miliukoff) or a republic (Kerensky) based on a democratic Constituent Assembly allowing all Russians to vote for their new government. This accorded with American Democratic ideas and he sent a cable to the U.S. government saying, “This revolution is the practical realization of the principle of government which we have championed and advocated – I mean government by consent of the governed”.

    However, the problems started almost immediately as the Bolsheviks revealed their very different character. As Francis said, “The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90% of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”

    In the event the Provisional Government failed and he saw the following principal reasons:

    - From the start the Bolsheviks worked to subvert the loyalty of the 125.000 soldiers in Petrograd (St. Petersburg) with promises of private land, farms, stopping the war, avoiding the return of landowners etc. with the result that only 25.000 or so remained loyal to the Provisional Government.

    - The Bolsheviks unilaterally issued General Order Nº1 producing chaos in the army and weakening a force that could have been used against them.

    - As the leader of the internationally accepted Provisional Government, Kerensky could have arrested Lenin and Trotsky when they proclaimed that all people with property who refused to hand it over should be immediately killed. In the event he did nothing.

    - Francis knew Kerensky well and saw him as more of an orator than a statesman, with his most fatal error (among others) being his argument with Korniloff, the Commander in Chief of the Russian forces. They planned to combine to remove the Bolsheviks but on Korniloff’s request to be made head of the government, Kerensky foolishly ordered his arrest, and Korniloff replied by declaring his intention of marching on Petrograd. He never did but it didn’t stop Kerensky arming the Bolshevik workingmen’s and soldiers committee to defend Petrograd from the attack that never came.

    - The Bolsheviks of course used the arms against the Provisional Government, and when the elections to the Constituent Assembly eventually came (far too late) at the end of November 1917, the Bolsheviks filled the assembly hall with soldiers armed with rifles, grenades and machine guns and rejected the result of the vote (Social Revolutionaries 20,893,743, Bolsheviks 9,023,963 out of 36.257.960 votes cast). The Bolsheviks declared that Constitutional Democrats were to be arrested and Lenin established his dictatorship.

    With the empty statement, “The Soviet Republic represents not only a higher form of Democratic institution, but it is also the sole form which renders possible the least painful transition to Socialism”, Lenin set in train an industrial scale system of transportation and mass murder, and lest the world forget, this human abattoir was largely directed by Jews ( NKVD heads Genrikh Yagoda and Yakov Agranov, and all the heads of the Gulag death camps, Aron Solts, Yakov Rappoport, Lazar Kogan, Matvei Berman and Naftaly Frankel + Lazar Kaganovich killing at least 3 million Ukrainian farmers in the winter of 1932-33).

    Stalin awarded the Bolshevik Jews a special protected status in Russia (until 1945) as recorded in Slezkine’s book , “The Jewish Century” and he documents in some detail the way in which the new Jewish “revolutionary” bourgeoisie enjoyed their new country dachas, worship of Pushkin and attendance at elite educational academies (the inspiration behind George Orwell’s book, “Animal Farm”).

    I suppose that Shamir’s problem with Francis is the statement that , “The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90% of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”

    The membership of the Bolshevik central committees was apparently quite fluid but there is general agreement on the composition of the all important Bolshevik Central Committee that met on the 23rd of October 1917 and elected the Central Committee:

    Members (from the minutes of the meeting):

    Ulyanov (Lenin)
    Bronstein (Trotsky)
    Apfelbaum (Zinoviev)
    Rozenfeld (Kamenev)
    Dzhugashvili (Stalin)
    Jankel (Sverdlov)
    Radomselsky (Uritsky)
    Dzerzhinsky
    Kollontai
    Bubnov
    Brilliant (Sokolnikov)

    The order of listing seems to follow their perceived power, with Bronstein, Apfelbaum and Rozenfeld eventually being named as Lenin’s heirs (Lenin’s testament). They were all Jews and Lenin himself was part Jewish. Out of this group, seven were Jewish if you count Lenin and they were undoubtedly the driving force behind Bolshevism.

  96. EugeneGur says:
    @RVBlake

    I shall have to investigate the issue of shortages in the USSR

    I am not exactly sure how you propose to do that. I’ve lived in the ‘mature” USSR and had never been deprived of anything essential. There were things that were unavailable, of course. But some things are unavailable in the West as well – you just don’t know that.

    I got an excellent education, and it never even occurred to my parent to worry whether they could afford to have me study in Moscow State University, because it was free, and I was paid a stipend and provided a place in a dorm for free. But now in the “superior” capitalist system most people from provincial towns can’t afford that: there is tuition to be paid, no stipend, and most people can’t afford to support a child in Moscow. This is just one example. the same applies to pretty much every area of life.

    • Replies: @RVBlake
    , @Sergey Krieger
  97. You say…

    “Jews are powerful, but omnipotent they aren’t.”

    If you had said that the Chinese are powerful, but omnipotent they aren’t then that would be totally understandable but to say that about Jews whose numbers don’t match that of the Chinese in terms of either the population or the currency reserves, and yet to have a defining influence on the U.S.A. is rather unbelievable.

    The truth is that Jews have been powerful as well as influential for a very long time but now are on the verge of attaining omnipotence, which ought to be worrisome to all concerned in the absence of clear indication as to what their plans are for the rest of the humanity!

  98. Zidar says:
    @Thea

    You say:

    Soviet health care left a lot to be desired with no way to get it unless you were high up in the party.

    That is simply not true. Soviet health care was, just as Russian toady is about providing care for everybody, no fees or charges. It may look ‘not so modern’ compared to the western medicine, believe me it was and still is much more efficient and useful.

    Then you say:

    If Americans adopted communism, we’d be in the same place we are now: elites in control of the masses just with a slightly different flavor.

    I am curious, how then was ‘not adopting communism’ beneficial for Americans?

    There is not enough time ans space to elaborate, and lack of talent prevents me to explain, but there is someone who did explain it all very well. 2006 was long time ago, so you can judge how accurate the assessment was:

    https://www.resilience.org/stories/2006-12-04/closing-collapse-gap-ussr-was-better-prepared-collapse-us/

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Thea
    , @Miro23
  99. A fascinating piece by Israel Shamir, who is one of the most thought provoking writers on Unz.com. I certainly agree that the figures whether in Maos’ Great Leap Forward or the ‘Holocaust’ or in Stalin’ purges are apt to be exaggerated to absurd degrees and in the most arbitrary fashion. In this regard the article provides an important corrective

    That said I have a few reservations
    1) I am not sure that Soviet arrest and punishment Statistics should be taken with any more or lesS salt than Soviet claims re pig-IRON

  100. Mike P says:
    @jilles dykstra

    I should have been clearer – I don’t doubt that at times Jews were victims, including of course the Third Reich. However, they have greatly exaggerated their suffering “holocaust” for political and financial gain, and this story is falling apart.

    By the way the book by Ohquist you mention is available on archive.org. Thanks for the pointer.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Wally
  101. This is a continuation of the previous point

    2) As Ron Unz has pointed out and Mr Shamir knows well, it is the party positions that count and that Jewish overrepresentation in these key party posts and the security establishment seems unequivocal.
    3) I have no doubt that following WW2 there was de-judaisation of the Soviet Communist party particularly following the defection of Israel to the West. The 1953 Doctors Plot seemed testament to that trend which started with the ousting of Zhydanov, the Leningrad Party Chief in 1948.
    Thereafter Jews were no where near as prominent; the best known Jews were the dissidents.
    4) Mr Shamir does seem to be rowing back a bit on the Jewish power narrative. Sure the Jews could not launch their attacks on Jetemy Corbyn or the North London coroner without the spineless acquiescence and indeed support of gentiles. Nevetheless they have through AIPAC and the Friends of Israel and all their other assorted lobbyists extraordinary powerbacked by the Holocaust narrative that never stops giving in terms of their guilt shaming

    My wife is from the former USSR and she readily attests to the fact that the Soviet Union did pretty well at providing the basics of human dignity – healthcare, education, holidays on the Black Sea, dachas for growing your own that provides at least a counterpoint to the ‘life was drab and pretty awful’ narrative spun by the West. The ultimate problem in Socialism is always incentives.

    By the way I believe Mr Shamir is a Christian convert from a Jewish background but he will confirm no doubt.

  102. utu says:
    @Pft

    Among Jews in Russia the Bandits had the largest following and both Communist and Zionist were much much smaller. Then there were the Orthodox and Hassidim who did not want to have anything to do with any politics and had great aversion to Zionism. Possibly they were the majority.

    The Lubavichers sided with Tsar during Napoleon wars and were considered loyal to Russia since and also because they were not engaging in revolutionary activities. It makes sense that Putin selected them to represent Russian Jews. However this sect of Hassidim became extremely Zionist which is not the case with other Hassidim sects with some being anti-Zionist.

    The Lubavicher rabbi was saved by German Abwehr during the WWII. While the German officer who escorted him had Jewish roots it was done on orders of Canaris. What kind of deal and with whom was made it is not clear. For the followers of rabbi Schneerson it is another proof that he was the Messiah.

  103. utu says:
    @Zidar

    Soviet health care cured the ex convict Solzhenitsyn of cancer while in exile yet it killed Korolev the most important person to the Soviet space program during simple hernia surgery.

  104. I encountered shamir’s writing nearly a.decade ago. He was incisive and refreshing. He discussed his conversion to Christianity. I found it very interesting as I also converted from one religion to another.
    I’m not sure of the thinking behind this article but I know crap and dishonesty when I see it. Further, when I see this in a Jewish intellectual I am immediately on guard. I am shocked at his laziness. He let his guard down and has shown a deceitfulness he could have easily kept hidden.
    The order built at Bretton Woods is collapsing. Jewish power will collapse with it. There will be no mercy. They will reap what they have sown. Ukraine is the backup plan as demographics, Iranian power and sheer hatred make Israel unstable long term.
    Bon voyage!

  105. renfro says:
    @Mike P

    If the details do not matter there, why do they matter here? Why does he tell us about them now, after Ron’s coming out as a “holocaust denier?”

    Ah….that is the question isn’t it?
    Reads like Jewish gate keeping to me.

  106. @jilles dykstra

    You are referring to the book written by “An Eaton Lad,” a kind of “my summer vacation.” It was supposedly written by a schoolboy. Perhaps it wasn’t, like “Ann Frank’s Diary.” Schoolboys are not noted for their experience, lack of prejudice, and discrimination. The same is true of anyone who would cite it as some kind of authority.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  107. @Miro23

    Thankyou for this substantial response.

  108. utu says:
    @Mike P

    Jews were victims

    Where are the Jewish victims of the Soviet Union? Jewish victimhood in Soviet Union has a very thin historiography not for the lack of effort by Jewish apologists. Soviet Union was the first anti-anti-Semitic state where the anti-Semitism was criminalized. People were sent to gulags on the basis of conversations they had or words they put in letters that were read by the secret police in which they expressed critical opinions about Jews and their influence. The possession of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was a capital offense. Unlike Christian churches Synagogues were not destroyed. Unlike Russian Orthodox clergy Rabbis were not murdered. Unlike the members of Evangelical charismatic sects Hassidim were not sent to mental institutions.

    Yes, some Bundists were murdered by Stalin but it was political and possibly Stalin was egged on by Zionists. Yes, there was the Doctor Plot but nothing really came out of it. Wiki entry Antisemitism in the Soviet Union does not list any victims because those who were killed were not killed because of being Jewish.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  109. When Mr Shamir puts on his “Apologist of Communism” hat all objective truth goes out the window. That Communism from Marx on was a Jewish affair—Lenin included— is massively documented, and beyond any doubt. But its antecedents, as those of Judaism itself, (as well as Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormonism, radical Protestantism, Existentialism, Lutheranism, Hegelianism, Scientology, Gnosticism), lie in philosophical Dualism: that is, the belief that Evil has an essence and is a reality, that Satan is a God, if you will, along with good. Or to put it physically, that Darkness, or absence of light, “exists” as much as Light “exists.” Dualism makes axiomatic that Anti-Reality exists as an equal to Reality. Once that is implanted in the mind, or “indoctrinated” in it—it is very difficult to extirpate because it changes the perception of reality itself.

    In Communism this classical Dualism is that of Thesis and Antithesis. It would be quite correct to call such Dualism, whether it is John Calvin, Karl Marx, Moses Maimonides, Lenin, or Jean-Paul Sartre by the term “Satanism.” And Satanic systems, such as the one towards which we are heading, are also always “Communist” in which the masses, the proletariat, the Goyim, are always slaves, lucky slaves, serving some kind of Nomenklatura. Communists are insane “idealists.” Their “idealism” is of a reality which does not exist except as an inversion. Its victims were not a few million. They were all the Russian people except for the few privileged ones. You cannot believe Dualists because Dualism a form of insanity which justifies any means.

    • Replies: @utu
  110. Mike P says:
    @utu

    Jewish victimhood in Soviet Union has a very thin historiography not for the lack of effort by Jewish apologists.

    That may be the case – I really know very little about the conditions of life in the SU and did not mean to implicate the SU specifically in persecution of Jews.

  111. @Ron Unz

    First, if the Soviet domestic body-count were so vastly lower than the traditional figure and based on solid evidence, I’d be *very* surprised if no respectable Western academic had ever mentioned that fact.

    The “traditional” figures begin at 20 million, with some estimates much higher. I am not aware of any respectable Western academic who believes Mr Shamir’s figure of 650,000. Timothy Snyder suggests that Stalin murdered 9 million people:

    All in all, the Germans deliberately killed about 11 million noncombatants, a figure that rises to more than 12 million if foreseeable deaths from deportation, hunger, and sentences in concentration camps are included. For the Soviets during the Stalin period, the analogous figures are approximately six million and nine million. These figures are of course subject to revision, but it is very unlikely that the consensus will change again as radically as it has since the opening of Eastern European archives in the 1990s. Since the Germans killed chiefly in lands that later fell behind the Iron Curtain, access to Eastern European sources has been almost as important to our new understanding of Nazi Germany as it has been to research on the Soviet Union itself.

    https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2011/03/10/hitler-vs-stalin-who-killed-more/

  112. RVBlake says:
    @EugeneGur

    There was still the issue of freedom…Were you free to leave the USSR?

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  113. utu says:
    @ploni almoni

    When Mr Shamir puts on his “Apologist of Communism” hat

    Apparently he likes to wear this hat

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2012/09/18/pol-pot-revisited/
    The Pol Pot the Cambodians remember was not a tyrant, but a great patriot and nationalist, a lover of native culture and native way of life.

    The Cambodians I spoke to pooh-poohed the dreadful stories of Communist Holocaust as a western invention.

    Pol Pot commanded everybody away from the city and to the rice paddies, to plant rice. This was a harsh, but a necessary step, and in a year Cambodia had plenty of rice, enough to feed all and even to sell some surplus to buy necessary commodities.

    As for the mass killings, these are just horror stories, averred my Cambodian interlocutors. Surely the victorious peasants shot marauders and spies, but many more died of American-planted mines and during the subsequent Vietnamese takeover, they said.

  114. Nice, always good to listen to both sides of the story and draw your conclusion based on all the information. Its pretty clear that the Socialist/Commie countries just want to be left alone, Imperialist USA is the one constantly trying to bring down anyone who isn’t willing to be a puppet of the gangsters, war profiteers, and wall st bankers running DC, London, and Tel Aviv.
    Like Adolf said They are only interested in one thing: Is anyone willing to let themselves be plundered? Yes or no? Is anyone stupid enough to keep quiet in the process? Yes or no? And when a democracy is stupid enough to keep quiet, then it is good. And when an authoritarian government declares: “You do not plunder our people any longer, neither from inside nor from outside,” then that is bad.
    Ask yourself this, if socialism is so damn bad, doomed to fail………why the hell do we spend billions of dollars making it fail? Why do we need to sanction the snot out of them to make them fail? Why do we need to go to war and bomb them back into the stone age to make them fail, as we have done in Libya?
    Anyone that thinks about it with an open mind should be able to see through the BS. How many times can they repeat these ridiculous lies and we still believe them?
    The propaganda war right now is on N Korea and Venezuela, theses a lot of disinfo there. Lots of Youtube videos for us lazy/busy people that don’t have time to read lots of books. Educate yourself and your peers while you still can, they’re censoring everything that goes against the (((narrative))) as fast as they can…

    Question everything.

    • Replies: @utu
  115. donut says:

    I find it interesting that denying this “holocaust” is respectable while denying the other “holocaust” can get you thrown in jail .

    • Agree: byrresheim
  116. bjondo says:

    If the Bolshevik Yid were anything like their Zionized Western and their occupying-Palestine kin, then they were the monsters we are told.

    All I have to go by.

  117. US intervention against hapless Marxist 3rd world countries was never justified, but that doesn’t mean the USSR and China didn’t do some major democide. Next, we’ll hear that the Killing Fields were a hoax as well.

    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
  118. Thea says:
    @Zidar

    The soviets had a much higher maternal mortality rate than the west.

    Anecdotal evidence also but the stories I’ve heard of dental care, childbirth and a serious lack of x Ray film ( leading to children’s preventable deaths ) don’t paint a great picture.

    American is a different culture than Russia so communism would look different here. What worked in the USSR won’t in the USA

    • Replies: @Anon
  119. utu says:
    @redmudhooch

    I do not think that the issue here is whether there is a possibility that socialism or some versions of it may offer better life for humans. The issue here is whether (1) USSR killed N million people and what is the value of N and (2) whether Jews played a special role as perpetrators in the killing process disproportionately to their numbers..

    • Replies: @redmudhooch
  120. @Miro23

    Thank you for your excellent rebuttal and for the tip on Mr. Francis’s memoir.

  121. renfro says:
    @kapimo

    Yes,
    And Robert Wilton wasn’t the only one who reported this,

    DECLASSIFIED
    DoD Dlr. 5200.9 Sept . 27, 1958
    NWR by [signature] Date 8-17-60
    PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL
    WAR DEPARTMENT
    AMERICAN EXPEDITIONARY FORCES. SIBERIA .
    OFFICE OF THE CHIEF OF STAFF
    INTELLIGENCE SECTION

    My dear Colonel Barrows :

    (ecerpt)
    ”It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United, States, but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since its beginning guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type, who have been in the United States and there absorbed every one of the worst phases of our civilization without having the least understanding of what we really mean by liberty. (I do not mean the use of the word liberty which has been so widespread in the United States since the war began, but the real word spelt the same way), and the real Russian realizes this and suspects that Americans think as do the loathsome specimens with whom he now comes in contact. I have heard all sorts of estimates as to the real proportion of Bolsheviks to that of the population of Siberia and I think the most accurate is that of General Ivanov-Rinov who estimates it as two per cent. There is hardly a peasant this side of the Urals who has the slightest interest in the Bolshevik or his doings except in so far as it concerns the loss of his own property and, in fact, his point of view is very much like that of our own respectable farmers, when confronted with the I [?] ideal.
    Unfortunately, a few of our people in the United States, especially those with good lungs, seem to think that the Bolsheviks are as deserving of a hearing as any real political party with us. This is what the Russian cannot understand and I must say that without being thought one sided, I should not hesitate to shoot without trial if I had the power, any persons who admitted for one moment that they were Bolsheviks. I would just as soon see a mad dog running about a lot of children.”
    I am, Very sincerely yours,
    [signed:]
    Montgomery Schulyer
    Vladivostok Captain, USA

    *Also in the U.S. National Archives are two telegrams sent by American diplomats in Russia. State Department document 861.00/1757 sent on 2 May 1918 by U.S. Consul Summers in Moscow relates, “Jews predominant in local Soviet government, anti-Jewish feeling growing among population.”

    *Document 861.00/2205 from Consul Caldwell in Vladivostock on 5 July 1918 describes, “Fifty per cent of Soviet government in each town consists of Jews of worst type.”

    * David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: “The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution.”

  122. FKA Max says: • Website
    @jilles dykstra

    James Bacque, ´Der geplante Tod, Deutsche Kriegsgefangene in amerikanischen und französischen Lagern 1945 – 1946, Frankfurt/M, 1989, 1994 (Other losses, Toronto, 1989)

    I believe Mr. Bacque is prone to exaggeration:

    [MORE]

    Dear Ron

    I sent you an email with valuable information on this topic. Helmuth James von Moltke wrote a letter in early 1943 to his sister Freya in England, describing how hundreds of thousands of people, mainly Jews were executed by guillotine in Gestapo Headquarters in Germany. The letter was published in Letters to Freya, Knopf, 30 or so years ago–details in my e-mail.

    Please read the email and reply. David Irving and I will be discussing this when we meet in the USA soon

    All the best

    Jim

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/#comment-2504350

    My replies to him:

    Freya was his wife, I believe, and his estimates point to tens of thousands (he estimates 50 per day) killed by guillotine, not “hundreds of thousands of people”

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/#comment-2505577

    I just found this Daily Mail article which states that about 16,000 people in total were executed by guillotine during the Nazi reign

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/#comment-2506265

    On Eisenhower:

    This comes from the blurb written in his West Point yearbook “The Howitzer” where he is jokingly called a “Swedish-Jew”. By the way, he is also called “Señor” in that yearbook blurb but it is not assumed that he is of Spanish ancestry.
    [...]
    Most cadets probably only had a cartoonish, anti-Semitic concept of Jews and my guess is calling him a Swedish-Jew referred to his blond good looks combined with his reputation as being parsimonious. To his classmates, being called a Jew was probably the same as being called cheap or stingy.

    https://www.quora.com/Wasnt-Dwight-D-Eisenhower-a-Swedish-Jew

    Other Losses was not well received and was harshly critized by many historians and its overall argument has not be taken up by any reputable historian.

    Historian Niall Ferguson calculated the mortality rates of POWs held by different nations as follows:

    Percentage of POWs that Died:

    Russian POWs held by Germans: 57.5%
    German POWs held by Russians: 35.8%
    American POWs held by Japanese: 33.0%
    German POWs held by Eastern Europeans: 32.9%
    British POWs held by Japanese: 24.8%
    British POWs held by Germans: 3.5%
    German POWs held by French: 2.58%
    German POWs held by Americans: 0.15%
    German POWs held by British: 0.03%

    However, that is not to say that Germany’s surrender was followed by sweetness and light across the continent.

    https://www.quora.com/What-evidence-is-there-about-the-Allies-and-Eisenhowers-death-camps-and-starvation-of-the-Germans-after-World-War-II

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @jilles dykstra
  123. T. Weed says:
    @Bruno

    According to Sept. Oct. Barnes Review, on page 28, the Central Committee had 62 members, 42 Jews, 20 gentiles. The Extraordinary Commission of Moscow had 36 members, 23 Jews, 13 gentiles. The Council of the People’s Commissars had 22 members, 17 Jews, 5 gentiles. The Central Committee of the Bolshevik Party was composed of 11 Jews and 1 non-Jew. This in a country where Jews were 1 or 2% of the population.

  124. Baxter says:

    at this point in time, I’m not sure it’s possibke to calculate the death toll in the Soviet Union. I’ve heard 6 million dead in the Ukrainian famine, to mention one tragic episode.
    It sure does appear like communism sucks though. That I’m pretty sure about.

  125. Ron Unz says:
    @FKA Max

    Historian Niall Ferguson calculated the mortality rates of POWs held by different nations as follows:

    Percentage of POWs that Died:

    Russian POWs held by Germans: 57.5%
    German POWs held by Russians: 35.8%
    American POWs held by Japanese: 33.0%
    German POWs held by Eastern Europeans: 32.9%
    British POWs held by Japanese: 24.8%
    British POWs held by Germans: 3.5%
    German POWs held by French: 2.58%
    German POWs held by Americans: 0.15%
    German POWs held by British: 0.03%

    Well, I think this is an excellent illustration of a point I’ve regularly made. Just randomly quoting some writer or historian, even a prominent one, without any “source analysis” is a sign of extreme stupidity. Reading actual books is better than Googling the Internet. The mortality figures for German POWs in Anglo-American hands were so absurdly ridiculous that even the historians who desperately attempted to refute the Bacque Hypothesis *admitted* they were totally fictional. I discussed much of this in a previous column:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-post-war-france-and-post-war-germany/

    Now Ferguson seems like a smart guy and a solid historian, and I was quite impressed with his THE PITY OF WAR from 20 years ago, which although quite controversial made his reputation. He has subsequently been given all sorts of ultra-plum assignments, most recently producing the authorized biography of Henry Kissinger, whom he entitles “The Idealist,” though offhand I’m not sure that’s the most accurate term to use.

    Now Ferguson is certainly a very successful British historian, not remotely as successful as David Irving, but very successful nonetheless.

    But suppose Ferguson were to closely examine the POW issue and conclude that the Bacque Hypothesis was quite likely correct, and had the temerity to publicly say so. Then I strongly suspect he might easily follow Irving into widespread vilification, financial destruction, and harsh oblivion.

    The notion that the overwhelming majority of historians or other intellectuals are *independent* in the conclusions they provide is simply ridiculous. If they say the wrong thing, they’d likely suffer enormous financial losses and perhaps even be purged.

    Suppose Stalin called in his top economic expert and asked him “Is my policy of collectivizing agriculture a good idea?” Could we trust that the answer given was sincere?

    Trusting the public statements of Ferguson or nearly any other establishment historian on ultra-touchy historical issues is almost as ridiculous.

    • Agree: Brewer, T. Weed, L.K
  126. A state needs not arrest individuals to mass exterminate people. Does the deliberate starvation of millions ring a bell? Can you say, “Holodomor”? (Mention also needs be made of Mao Tse Tung having starved to death at least 20 million Chinese – no arrests were necessary.)

    And a state willing to mass exterminate millions of human beings without arresting them simply must be a state that would never keep two sets, or more than two sets, or never recorded sets of meticulous arrest records, or burn other arrest records, so as not to deceive anyone about the mass-murderousness of that state, mustn’t it?

    Ask this: Why should trust be placed in a selected parsimony of documents from a regime that contrived the term “disinformation”?

  127. Miro23 says:
    @Zidar

    That’s an excellent article comparing the collapse of the Soviet Empire with a hypothetical collapse of the US Empire. When Orlov methodically goes through details at the basic level, it’s inescapable that the US is much worse prepared than was the USSR, and North America’s unfortunate fractured Yugoslav style society will likely make it terminal.

    https://www.resilience.org/stories/2006-12-04/closing-collapse-gap-ussr-was-better-prepared-collapse-us/

  128. FKA Max says: • Website
    @Ron Unz

    Well, I think this is an excellent illustration of a point I’ve regularly made. Just randomly quoting some writer or historian, even a prominent one, without any “source analysis” is a sign of extreme stupidity. Reading actual books is better than Googling the Internet.

    I actually have had close and personal interactions with German WW 2 POWs when I was young, through family connections but they are all dead now, who were treated extremely well in British and particularly in Canadian captivity, who stated that being imprisoned in Canada was “the best time of their life”, and that is why the Ferguson numbers seemed believable to me. These German POWs would regularly return to Canada – and some also visited the English families they worked for as POWs – for reunions to visit their old Canadian POW camp “stomping grounds” to reminisce about the fantastic years they spent there together.

    After my short interaction/experience with Mr. Bacque http://www.unz.com/ishamir/red-zog/#comment-2551458 I take everything he writes and says with a grain of salt, since, e.g., he didn’t even seem to be aware of the fact that Freya was Helmuth James von Moltke’s wife and not his sister.

    I highly respect what you have built here with the Unz Review, Mr. Unz, but saying what I shared ” is a sign of extreme stupidity” without having “walked in my shoes”, I think is disrespectful and rather stupid behavior on your part, if I may say so.

    A couple of days ago, some, in my opinion, reasonable comments I posted here on the Unz Review regarding QAnon http://www.unz.com/announcement/has-the-adl-gone-into-hiding/#comment-2535643 , never saw the light of day and/or they were potentially censored, which I found disconcerting and extremely disappointing.

    I have probably overstayed my welcome here…

    I wish you and the Unz Review all the very best, Mr. Unz.

    The Happiest Prisoners

    https://legionmagazine.com/en/2012/03/the-happiest-prisoners/ Archived link: http://archive.is/EC8jA

    • Replies: @utu
  129. @FKA Max

    ” Other Losses was not well received and was harshly critized by many historians and its overall argument has not be taken up by any reputable historian. ”
    Fun.
    Reputable historian, those who support(ed) the truth of the victors.
    Charles A Beard was a very reputable historian, when he showed that Franklin Roosevelt since 1932 was on the war path, he all of a sudden was not a reputable historian any more.
    I explained here how Other Losses is substantiated by a number of books.
    Was
    Nicholas Bethel, ´Das letzte Geheimnis, Die Auslieferung russischer Fluchtlinge an die Sovjets durch die Allierten 1944-47’, 1975 Frankfurt am Main, ( The last secret. Forcible repatriation to Russia 1944-7, London, 1974)
    well received ?
    Do not think so, millions of Russians who had fought on the German side against Stalin deported against their will to the USSR, facing a certain death.
    Some committed suicide while entering a ship in New York.

  130. @Ron Unz

    Stalin wanted the grain in order to set up heavy industries.
    That millions died, he did not care.
    Heavy industries are needed for war.
    Hitler wanted the first operational hydrogen bomb to be dropped on the Ural electricity plants, water power, in order to stop USSR tank production.

    • Replies: @nickels
  131. @ploni almoni

    Do not know this book.
    But you can read any book on Russian, and other E European aristocracy, to see confirmed that they were a degenerate lot.
    Such as
    L.N. Tolstoy, ‘War and peace’, 1869, 1978, Harmondsworth
    I mentioned the book on the Transsylvanian aristocracy.
    Drinking, gambling, chasing women, not caring in the least for their serfs.

    • Replies: @ploni almoni
  132. @renfro

    Completely confirmed in
    F.W. Deakin and G.R. Storry, ‘The case of Richard Sorge’, New York, 1966
    What I never before read is how people like Sorge, a German intellectual, were idealists.
    WWI had convinced them that the capitalist system was the cause of all evil.
    Sorge paid with his life for his idealism.
    Weird in these days is how in Germany at present capitalism and money again are seen as the causes of all evil.
    They’re unable to understand that even Robinson Crusoë was a capitalist, de decided between investment and consumption when he made a net for fishing.
    Much of the present evil has been caused by politicians: globalisation was a political choice, as was free movement of capital.

  133. @anarchyst

    Shamir leaves out a very important aspect of most “communist paradises”–the need for permission to leave the country–there were always family members who were not given permission, in order to assure that the rest of the traveling family would return, and not seek asylum in the West, and “last but not least”–walls with guard towers with the guards positioned “inward” to prevent people from escaping.

    Based and redpilled. Only liberal troglodytes and degenerates believe in “freedom of movement and capital”. Now that we have it, the amount of human resources stolen by the West from Eastern Europe is thoroughly disgusting and bigger than any loss of population during communism (and the population during communism did grow, unlike now).
    It may be better for an individual to flee, but for the common good it’s better for the borders to be closed from both sides.

    After WW2, captured Russian POWs who were repatriated were automatically sent to the gulags for “dishonoring the motherland”. Let’s not forget the “political cadres” who traveled with Russian troops, to assure that no troops would “retreat”–a bullet awaited any Russian soldier that resisted in the face of battle.

    “I like people who weren’t captured.” – Donald J Trump on the late homosexual communist and ISIS terrorist John McCain.

    “Russians don’t surrender” (Русские не сдаются) is a very popular saying in Russia.

  134. @Miro23

    ” An interesting aspect of the book is the way that Khlevniuk shows how hardworking Stalin was throughout his “career”. ”
    Becoming, and staying a dictator, is hard work.
    Every dictator knows that there are enough people around who want the ‘job’.
    Stalin, Atatürk and Hitler employed the same methods, one might say even Franklin Roosevelt, read Harold L Ickes diaries about his conflicts with Harry Hopkins.
    F.A. Simpson, ‘The Rise of Louis Napoleon’, 1909, London
    is an amazing book.
    This nephew of Napoleon could have had a comfortable life, he decided otherwise in order to become emperor of France.
    His career ended in 1870 in German captivity.

  135. Heros says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Reading actual books is better than Googling the Internet
    ….
    The notion that the overwhelming majority of historians or other intellectuals are *independent* in the conclusions they provide is simply ridiculous. If they say the wrong thing, they’d likely suffer enormous financial losses and perhaps even be purged.”

    Only an “intellectual” or “scholar” like Ron Unz or the holohoax poseurs commenting on his blog could write such a crass contradiction.

    For centuries now these “intellectuals” and “historians” have been writing nothing but kosher history because the majority of them were merely court jews or masons. “Reading actual books” that have not been purged and thrown down the memory hole renders only a minute chance of finding the entire truth. Even Irvings books have been edited massively by Irvings publishers and are far from being a fountain of truth.

    The creation of the internet and its opening up for goyim to freely describe their life experiences and opinions has crushed all the stale old yiddish lies and cover-ups. This is why Jewish Power is so desperate to prevent “conspiracy theorists” from getting the truth out. If the goyim had been forced by JP to only read kosher history, then the great awakening that we are experiencing would never have been possible. This is precisely why Google is so busy burying the truth until after page 40 on any google query.

    No Mr. Unz, reading the books the JP has filled libraries, schools and books stores with is not the right path to “truth enlightenment”. This can only be found in the deeper bowels of the internet, and likely for not much longer. I would suggest that you spend a little more time there reading up on things like the Illuminati, Freemasonry and Ritual Child Sacrifice because then these truth revelations would not keep startling you.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  136. 6 Gorillion says: • Website

    Nice try, (((Israel Shamir))), but I’m going to dismantle this nonsense piece by piece. Good thing investigating the Jewish Bolshevik issue in-depth has consumed much of my leisure time over the last two years, or else I might have actually fallen for this sinister misdirection.

    - Regarding the number of incarcerated in the USSR vs. the USA, (((Shamir))) entirely misses the larger issue at stake here, which was that under the Soviets the peoples under their dominion had no rights of property, individual Liberty, or freedom of thought – people were often arrested for being “enemies of the revolution” or “bourgeois” for the ‘crimes’ of owning property or speaking negatively about the regime. A regime not rooted in the values of individual liberty/freedom will inevitably descend into tyranny because a citizenry left at the mercy of a government with no restraints on its ability to exercise power will undoubtedly be abused for nefarious purposes.

    (((Shamir))) writes:

    …why does “the standard narrative history taught within the West” uses those huge numbers? The main reason is fear of communism, a very reasonable and justifiable (for rich guys) fear of losing their millions and billions. It makes sense for them to spend some of their capital persuading you that Communism is bad for you, while it is only bad for them. They lied so much and so efficiently that they convinced everybody…‘Socialism or communism’ are awful – for billionaires like Trump. They are wonderful for ordinary people.

    When I was a young and naive anti-Zionist leftist, I also believed this line of thought. Yet of course the documentary record of Communist regimes is undeniable – these so-called “worker’s paradises” always end up with slave labor and slaughter on a grand scale. Were these victims all “capitalist pigs”? Only a fool would believe so. And of course, we can’t forget about the flamboyant use of terrorism to achieve aims, as embodied by the quote of Leon Trotsky, real name (((Lev Davidovich Bronstein))): “We must rid ourselves once and for all the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life.”

    American workers had miserable lives before Russia broke the way to socialism in 1917; they had it rather good while Russia was socialist; and they reverted to misery in 1991, when socialism was dismantled in Russia. All the achievements of Russian socialism – 8-hour working day, pensions, health care, protected tenancy, paid holidays, annual leave, no arbitrary sackings, – were adopted in Europe, and now are on their way out, because the rich guys won.

    Naturally they lie about socialism because they do not want you to have it, or even to dream of it. This is something you should remember and memorise whenever you hear another dreadful story about the Bolsheviks.

    Funny how these wonderful “achievements of Russian socialism” didn’t apply to the slave laborers who built the White Sea Canal under Stalin and his Jewish commissars such as (((Genrikh Yagoda))), (((Naftaly Frenkel))), and (((Matvei Berman))).

    Let me further the point about tyranny that should demolish your fanciful notion of socialism in practice. From an essay called Russia: The Reign of Terror by Clarence B. Carson, in a book called Disaster in Red: The Failure and Collapse of Socialism:

    Terrorism is Soviet Communism’s substitute for law. It is not an accident that it is a substitute; it is not a whim of those who rule; it does not arise simply from the love of power. Terror is as essential to Communism as oxygen is to fire. (…)

    Karl Marx professed to believe that when private property was abolished the state would wither away. The available evidence indicates that Marx erred, that far from disappearing the state expands and grows luxuriously until it occupies every nook and cranny of the life of a people when private property is abolished. Marx’s insight was off the mark. It is not the state which withers away when property is abolished, but law, and liberty, and private rights, and justice.

    Unchecked growth of the state, eh? Sound familiar? Why, that just happens to be welcomed by the (((neoconservatives))) – the heirs of yesteryear’s Jewish Communists of Trotskyite persuasion that infiltrated the Republican Party/mainstream conservative movement for the benefit of international Zionism – who don’t think “we are on ‘the road to serfdom’” and feel little “alarm about the growth of the state in the past century, seeing it as natural, indeed inevitable.”

    To conclude the point about ordinary life for the citizenry under socialism that the establishment is so allegedly frightful to get the truth out about according to (((Shamir))), continuing from the aforementioned essay/book:

    [MORE]

    …ordinary crime – crimes against persons, such as assault, and theft of personal property – does not greatly excite the Soviet authorities. Most property belongs to the state, and theft or abuse of it is a political crime. “Political” crime is that against which the terror is waged. There is abundant testimony, even, that ordinary criminals are permitted, and probably intentionally used, to terrorize the political prisoners in prisons and slave labor camps.

    An Idealogical Weapon

    Terror, then, is an ideological weapon. It is the main device used in the attempt to impose Communism on the Russian people. A most important conclusion follows from this: The extent of the terror is in direct proportion to the effort being made to impose Communism.

    Continuing onto (((Shamir)))’s other assertions…

    …nowadays the Communists are supposed to be antisemites in modern discourse. Here you can find a text by one Jew being angry at another Jew for undercounting Bolsheviks’ antisemitism. In 1994, Jewish author Arkady Vaksberg wrote a book entitled Stalin Against the Jews. Its fundamental thesis is that Stalin was a fanatical anti-Semite. Louis Rapoport’s Stalin’s War Against the Jews reflects the same theme.

    Some Jews occasionally like to pretend they were the victims under Soviet Communism, but the true facts of the matter clearly refute this nonsense. Let me cite an article by Arthur (((Hertzberg))) for the Encyclopedia Judaica, with the bold emphasis mine:

    In the first two decades after 1917, a kind of Jewish Communist nationalism arose and flourished in the Soviet Union and it was attractive to many Jews outside the borders of the U.S.S.R. (…) [Stalin] continued the policy of Lenin, to permit Jews to organize a system of cultural life in Yiddish (…) Schools on all levels and even college courses in Yiddish were created in the 1920s. Hundreds of books were published and a press and theaters were encouraged. Additionally, with the help of such Western Jews as the Chicago millionaire, Lessing Rosenwald, who was opposed to Zionism, there was some settlement of Jews on the land in southern Russia and the Crimea. An even more grandiose attempt was made to create an autonomous Jewish region on a stretch of land in Siberia, Birobidzhan. (…) into the 1930s the reality of Jewish autonomy and the vision of state-sponsored Yiddish creativity in the Soviet Union, allied with its official outlawing of antisemitism, seemed to some Jews in the west, not only of the extreme political Left, an option to be preferred to Zionism.

    Dr. William Luther Pierce, writing in National Vanguard, asserts:

    Jews have been wailing for 25 years about how they are being “persecuted” in Russia — just as they were “persecuted” in Germany before that, and in Poland, and in Romania, and in Hungary, and in Spain, and… This race of professional martyrs regards any Gentile resistance to Jewish efforts to take over a country as “persecution.” And there always seem to be plenty of gullible Gentiles in other countries to believe them. (…)

    The truth is that Jews are not now and never have been persecuted by a communist government. They constitute a privileged minority in the Soviet Union today, a minority which holds a higher percentage of soft jobs and enjoys a higher standard of living than any other ethnic group — including Russians — and which is the only minority which has been allowed to emigrate.

    It is also true that Jews in the Soviet Union are not as privileged a group today as they were before World War II. But Stalin did not persecute Jews when he curtailed some of their privileges; he simply set out to correct the gross inequity which existed in the Soviet Union between the power wielded by Jews and that wielded by Russians and other ethnic groups. It is this long-overdue correction which the Jews of the world so indignantly refer to as “persecution.”

    Moving on…

    Did Jews join the Bolshevik party? Many did, though more Jews supported the Provisional Government of Mr Alexander Kerensky, the enemy of Bolsheviks.

    There were probably more Jews in the ranks of the Mensheviks than the Bolsheviks as well, but (((Shamir))) acts like all this Judaic preponderance in leftist radicalism is not notable or suspicious. How many pinko Jewish sympathizers must there be in organizations like the Bund, Poale-Zion, the Socialist Workers Party or the Zionist-Socialist Workers Party to add to the pure Communist Party members? Do we have to add all the Jewish Labor Committee or Jewish People’s Committee members of the 1930s in the USA to the total? Or what about the Arbeiter Ring? That would sure increase the numbers by the hundreds of thousands.

    And still, many did, for Jews are active people, and many of them supported the revolution for the best of reasons. Communism is Christianity minus God; secularised Christianity, in learned words. Better Jews are immensely attracted to Christianity, attracted to and scared of, for they are conditioned to reject Christ. Communism was a way out for them, a way to unite with people avoiding the scaring (for them) name of Christ.

    And here (((Shamir))) makes a truly ludicrous statement. I’m much more inclined to believe Jews were attracted to Communism precisely because of its explicitly anti-Christian philosophy, which manifested in the form of Jewish Cheka/NKVD agents ruthlessly liquidating Russian clergy and finally getting a free hand to torture and murder all those hated “anti-Semitic” rural goyim peasants for refusing to acknowledge Judaic greatness. In fact, Jewish historian Norman (((Cantor))) makes the following observation in The Jewish Experience: An Illustrated History of Jewish Culture & Society, bold emphasis mine:

    The Bolshevik Revolution and some of its aftermath represented, from one perspective, Jewish revenge. During the heyday of the Cold War, American Jewish publicists spent a lot of time denying that—as 1930s anti-Semites claimed—Jews played a disproportionately important role in Soviet and world Communism. The truth is until the early 1950s Jews did play such a role, and there is nothing to be ashamed of. In time Jews will learn to take pride in the record of the Jewish Communists in the Soviet Union and elsewhere. It was a species of striking back.

    The continuity of this relentless Jewish war on Christian society extends to the USA, naturally; read this illuminating excerpt from the dustjacket of a book called Roots of Radicalism: Jews, Christians, and the New Left by Stanley (((Rothman))) and S. Robert Lichter, bold emphasis mine:

    This book pays particular attention to why young people of Jewish background played so large a role in the American student Left, and in what ways their motivations differed from those of non-Jews. The book’s myth-shattering findings…demonstrate that the idealism of the protestors often masked strong desires for power. The differences between Jewish and non-Jewish radicals stem from upbringing and family background, Rothman and Lichter show, and the tradition of Jewish radicalism derives less from humanitarian impulses than from the historical fact of Jewish marginality. “The aim of the Jewish radical,” the authors write, “is to estrange the Christian from society, as he feels estranged from it.”

    Moving on…

    Here is a photo of the first Soviet government. There are 15 ministers, their ethnic origin is clearly stated. There is just one Jew – Leon Trotsky.

    I could counter with this photo:

    Or I could cite the first paragraph of chapter 4 of Churchill and the Jews: A Lifelong Friendship by (((Martin Gilbert))), bold emphasis mine:

    In his determination to see Bolshevism crushed in Russia, Churchill studied the nature and organisation of the Bolshevik government in Moscow. He was familiar with the names and origins of all its leaders: Lenin was almost the only member of the Central Committee who was not of Jewish origin. Neither Churchill nor his colleagues, nor the Jews, knew that Lenin’s paternal grandfather was a Jew.

    Speaking of Winston Churchill, his rather incredible “Zionism versus Bolshevism: A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People” article that appeared in the February 8, 1920 edition of the Illustrated Sunday Herald sheds much light on the Jewish Communist issue and answers (((Shamir)))’s following point:

    If you want to become an expert, you can learn the names of all Soviet ministers from October 1917 to the end of nineteen twenties, each name is accompanied by dates of his staying in the office and by his ethnic origin. There are 62 names of most powerful Bolsheviks, among them there were 7 Jews.

    This sort of subterfuge is meant to obscure the reality of the situation, which was conveniently elucidated by Churchill, bold emphasis mine:

    There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krassin or Radek – all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing.

    A perceptive person in the comments section above notes, wholly accurately in my view, that “In 100 years, Jews like [Shamir] will point to the overwhelmingly non-Jewish ethnic makeup of Congress and pretend that proves that Jews didn’t really run the USA.”

    “The heavy financial support of the Bolsheviks by Jewish international bankers” is also a myth. Ron Unz discovered an old red herring of the Jewish banker Schiff funding the Bolshevik cause.

    Unz had read and quoted Kenneth D. Ackerman’s 2016 book Trotsky in New York, 1917. Indeed Ackerman says that a leaked U.S. Military Intelligence report of the period, called Judaism and Bolshevism “directly made that astonishing claim”, but he also dismantles this claim.

    The claim about (((Schiff))) bankrolling the Bolsheviks doesn’t have much hard evidence to prove it as far as I’ve ascertained. But the reason this keeps reliably popping up is because both certainly had an overlapping, distinctly Jewish interest in defeating tsarist “anti-Semitism” (which in itself was an exaggerated Judaic fraud, but I digress). I have read (((Ackerman)))’s book too, and it notably says:

    Now in New York, these Jews and Russian émigrés stood ready to block any American attempt to enter the European war, seeing it as helping the tsar. It wasn’t just radicals or socialists who felt this way. Take Jacob Schiff, New York’s most prominent Jewish leader at the time. Schiff, seventy years old, chaired Kuhn, Loeb, and Company, one of Wall Street’s leading investment banks, and proudly used his bank’s muscle to protest Russian anti-Semitism. When Count Sergius Witte, Russia’s finance minister, came to New York in 1904 seeking financial support for Russia’s then-brewing war against Japan, Schiff met with Witte and told him to his face that so long as the tsar persecuted Jews, he would block any American loans.

    Writing years later, Witte still shuddered at the encounter. “[Schiff] banged the table with his fist,” Witte recalled, “and declared that a government which indulged in massacres and inhuman persecution on religious grounds was not to be trusted.” Russia lost its war to Japan, and tsarist officials still fumed over the incident with typical bigotry. Said Russia’s finance minister in 1911, “Our government will never forgive or forget what that Jew, Schiff, did to us,” as if Russia’s own generals and Japan’s fleet had less to do with the defeat.

    Recall that after their seizure of power the Bolsheviks quickly made “anti-Semitism” or owning The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion “counterrevolutionary” crimes punishable by death:

    (((Ackerman))) also contradicts his charge of “bigotry” later in his own book when he acknowledges (((Schiff)))’s perhaps decisive role in the Russo-Japanese War, a calamity that some describe as World War Zero:

    The most conspicuous Jewish financier in New York, Schiff had openly used his wealth to pressure Russia into changing its anti-Semitic policies. He had spent millions backing Japan in the 1904 Russo-Japanese War and, after that, on anti-tsarist agitation among Russian soldiers. In 1915 he refused to allow his bank to participate in American war loans to Britain or France so long as they allied themselves with Russia.

    Furthermore, in a Times of Israel article discussing his book, (((Ackerman))) says:

    In several instances throughout the book, Ackerman documents how the Jewish community played a significant role in Trotsky’s life during his brief stay in the city.

    “Many of these Jews in New York knew Trotsky as someone who had outspokenly denounced the Tsar for his anti-Semitism,” says Ackerman. “So he was very popular.”

    Continuing on…

    Ron Unz is not alone here. In 2017, the anti-Communist Russian media also played with the idea of Jewish financial support for the Reds as the defining force behind the revolution. They could not find any evidence re Schiff, and they preferred to personify this corrupt Jewish influence in the figure of Alexander Parvus aka Israel Gelfand. Parvus is the main protagonist of Solzhenitsyn’s Lenin in Zurich, where he appears like a Mephistopheles to Lenin’s Faust.

    Parvus, an adventurer and a revolutionary with an eye for profit, indeed tried to keep in touch with Lenin whom he considered, correctly, the strongest strategist of revolutionary movement. Lenin was unwilling to play ball with him, and refused to meet him when Parvus came to revolutionary Russia.

    Alexander Parvus, real name (((Israel Gelfand))), was a very wealthy war profiteer who was nonetheless a leading leftist radical in his own right, one of Trotsky’s most intimate collaborators despite a personal love of opulence. The fact that a slovenly capitalist like him was freely funding schemes to advance the cause of socialism is indeed darkly conspiratorial. People curious about Parvus’ role should refer to Trotsky in New York, 1917 for more details about his myriad activities.

    Jewish money rule the world, this is a very popular idea among Jews. Theodor Herzl, and before him, Benjamin Disraeli wrote of “terrible power of Jewish money”. Nowadays, such wealthy Jews as George Soros and Sheldon Adelson are proud of their influence upon the US politics. They surely have influence, but I doubt anybody considers this influence is a decisive and defining one. Both failed at their enterprises, Soros had been kicked out of every East European state (including Russia), Adelson preferred Marco Rubio, but Trump won anyway. In short, Jewish money can influence events, can improve the lot of politicians, scribes, media lords, but can’t define our future. Otherwise, we’d live already in the world-wide Gaza Strip. Jews are powerful, but omnipotent they aren’t.

    Adelson bankrolls the Republican Jewish Committee and it’s no secret Trump’s rise was to the chagrin of the Jewish gatekeepers of the GOP who much preferred their conventional invade the world/invite the world henchmen like Rubio, Jeb Bush, etc. And we’re not living in a global Gaza Strip yet but it’s not from lack of trying – to Jews, White people are just future Palestinians.

    The most damning thing linking Jews to this greatest of crimes is the fact that they freely admit upwards of 80% of them continue to be extreme liberals (except when it comes to Israel, of course, in which case they morph into ultra-right bloodthirsty warhawks) yet also want us to simultaneously believe they had nothing to do with Communism.

    • Replies: @Astonished Overseer
    , @utu
  137. @EugeneGur

    People were well fed and draftees were in better shape than in modern Russia. The whole yonge generation was much healthier and better educated than now. They usually use those pictures of 1990 and later to prove shortages but that was already not the mature USSR you are talking but country which was being destroyed.

  138. Tsigantes says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    I ignore the possibility that the perfection of Orthodox Christianity exhibited by Russian peasants transmited seamlessly into altruistic egalitarian Christian Socialism.

    Shamir didn’t make such a claim , why should you?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  139. Tsigantes says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Money. The library collection is valuable. Also most of the Russian jews ended up in USA.

  140. @Heros

    Historians know that history books often tell more about the period they’re written in than about the period they discuss or describe.
    The great thing about a printed book is that, once printed, it cannot be changed.
    Those who follow my comments here know that I often refer to old, even a hundred years old books.
    They cost next to nothing, libraries sell them for next to nothing to booksellers specialising in old books.

    This is the era of climate change, that can be prevented an any cost by reducing CO2 emission.
    I’m reading a book published for the first time in 1937, reprinted much later.
    The author is a French geographer, teaching in Algiers, he died in 1940.
    The book is about the history of North Africa.
    As anyone knows, Hannibal crossed the Alps with elephants.
    But where did these tropical beasts come from ?

    The author argues that even before the time of Carthago there was an important climate change, but that in parts of present Morocco for some time a tropical climate persisted, where tropical beasts lived on, not just the elephant, also the cobra.
    Some living cobra’s were found in Algeria at the beginning of the 20th century.

    About this climate change he writes someting like ‘in geology 2000 years is nothing, in human history it is long’.
    Therefore never in human history climate change has been described, until now, I’d add.
    He also writes ‘if anything on this planet is instable, it is climate’.
    Things like this cannot be written nowadays, is my conviction.

    • Replies: @Epigon
    , @utu
  141. Tsigantes says:
    @RVBlake

    And what of the brutalities exercised on Czechoslovakia in 1968, Hungary in 1956?

    This is an embarrassingly naive question RVBlake in light of the USA’s [wholly unnecessary] Hiroshima & Nagasaki, the Korean war, Indonesia, Vietnam war, the brutality throughout Latin & Central America [ongoing-], Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria….and these are only the high points. With lots of, too many, bad things in between.

    Compared to this Hungary & Czechoslovakia are minor blips.

    • Troll: donut
    • Replies: @RVBlake
  142. Epigon says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Hannibal and Carthaginians, as well as Ptolemies, employed North African Elephants, smaller in size than Indian Elephant.
    The larger African elephant was apparently unsuited for training and warfare. This is telling, since even the “trainable” North African and Indian Elephants were prone to run amok, panic and do more damage to allies than foes.

    Regarding your climate change, what is present-day Tunis (Carthage) and Sicily were farming areas that fed entire Roman Republic. Also, rocky east Adriatic coast and islands were covered in forests, and so was ancient Greece (Balkan had lions as late as AD).

  143. mr meener says:

    Shamir who once in a while shows that he might be human but cannot suppress his DNA as a jew and support for communism which they invented. I always knew he was a communist cause they founded Israel. even if the numbers of jews and those killed are SLIGHTLY exaggerated who cares. the jews have lied cheated and backstabbed the world for 3000 years and have control of the world because of their lies. even Putin agreed with the numbers as they stand. so if gentiles have to exaggerate a little to shine the light on them and to prevent them from causing more mayhem and looting. I say well done.

  144. Good article; adds worthy perspective and balance to the mangled “history” (total booshit, really), routinely and consistently presented to us Western gulls.

    The problem is, Trump and other rich guys are not going to allow you to have socialism.

    Unless the worst of them can control it.

    In many ways, the wars of the 20th century were contests between various forms of socialism and worst won out, as usual, and I’m not a proponent of involuntary charity or megarich arseholes in any form since the track records of neither are particularly worthy.

    A few days ago, President Trump said at the UN: “Virtually everywhere, socialism or communism has been tried. It has produced suffering, corruption, and decay.

    Trump is correct about that, and that includes the the the capitalist-commie cesspool known as the USA.

  145. American workers had miserable lives before Russia broke the way to socialism in 1917; …

    That’s a key concept and should be expanded. The Brit workers probably had relatively miserable lives as well, but for some reason one never hears of such things. In contrast, the German workers under the Nazis also had it a lot better and against much greater odds; that’s partly why their system had to be destroyed and why a huge monkey wrench had to be tossed into cooperation between Hitler and Stalin.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  146. mr meener says:

    as the jew kills 60 million HE cries out in pain

  147. @Cyrano

    The propaganda sufferers in the west should be aware that everything that they (think they) know about Socialism – they were told by the same (type of) people who told them that Iraq has WMD’s. In other words, the dummies in the west haven’t been told any truth about anything for a really, really long time – if ever. Propaganda is the real WMD of their minds that has been used on them since the day they were born.

    Extremely well put.

  148. utu says:
    @jilles dykstra

    The great thing about a printed book is that, once printed, it cannot be changed.

    Very important and obvious point. Digitalization of books opens all kinds of possibilities for retroactive alteration and for restricting the access. It is opposite what they ostensively claim.

    Private corporations are behind digitalization process and they acquire extra rights which libraries of books with expired copy rights did not have. The libraries get some money from these corporations for making their books available for digitalization. In return the corporation may restrict their usage. For instance a book from 19c on some inconvenient subject with expired copy rights could have been reissued by some small publishing house but once this book is digitalized and content is owned by the corporation it may no longer be possible. The digitalization process is like book burning to take them for ever from public domain and eventually from memory.

  149. utu says:
    @FKA Max

    I posted here on the Unz Review regarding QAnon

    I think it is still there. I meant to comment it but then did not have time. Anyway Qanoan psd an interesting phenomenon. It is a psyop, I believe. A very simple one directed at try believers in Trumps 6D strategies that will explain all failures.

    Tune down the paranoia and stay. You often provide interesting and rarely seen material.

    Obviously the POW who were brought to UK, Canada or the US were treated very well. I knew some German POW’s who were in California and Louisiana. It was paradise for them in comparison to those who were POWs in the USSR. I knew some of them also.

    They worked here and people who were their guards did not see the war and did not harbor anger and hate as the front like soldiers usually do. And the local population acted according to what they read in the paper that their democracies are the most noble and generous and treat prisoners well unlike them Germans and Japs.

    POW’s were more likely to be mistreated close to the front line. Often they were shot before they made from the front to the camps. In the temporary camps they often were starving. This might be understandable though not excusable during the war but Eisenhower camps were starving people when the war has already ended.

    Then there is the question about Japanese POWs. Why so few? Fergusson actually is talking about it.

  150. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    Niall Ferguson broaches one the taboo subject that nobody touched in the US yet, i.e., the rampant and wanton killing of Japanese soldiers who actually wanted to surrender or who has already surrendered. From him I have learned that towards the end of the war the higher ups decided to improve the stats of dead-to-captured ratios by offering ice cream and furlough to GIs who would bring Japanese soldiers alive. An the ratio was supposedly lowered from 100:1 to 10:1. So there are Japanese out there who owe their lives to some GI’s greater taste for ice cream than for wanton killing.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @jacques sheete
  151. @6 Gorillion

    Very good. The most lucid comment by far I’ve seen making my way down the page. It really matters not how many were killed when you take into account how many could have been killed. Maybe laziness stayed Stalin’s hand one day and kindness the next, but that he should be given to act one way or another already fails the system.

  152. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Kirt

    This is why I really love this site. It forces you to think about issues in ways that you may never have done before.

    If Bolshevism was not a Jewish orchestrated attempt at genocide I would be very relieved. This particular conventional wisdom has bothered me a lot.

    Solzhenitsyn has a very different perspective.

  153. EugeneGur says:
    @RVBlake

    There was still the issue of freedom…Were you free to leave the USSR?

    No, I was not. And that used to annoy us a great deal. However, we know now that there is more to freedom, or to life in general, than the ability to emigrate or even to travel at will, attractive as this ability is.

    The Soviet system was imperfect in many ways – don’t get me wrong, I know that likely much better than you do. That notwithstanding, it was a formidable project, an attempt to capture the sky, as Karl Marx once put it. It created its own universe: culture, ideology, morale, esthetics, everything. It left a powerful cultural and historical legacy and even now, 30 years later, it still exerts a strong influence.

    The treatment of the Soviet system in the West has been heavily ideologically driven and as a result primitive in the extreme, almost caricature. GULAG, KGB, Stalin – that’s pretty much all. But there is a hell of a lot more to it than that.

    • Agree: RVBlake, Brewer
  154. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Davies was predisposed to admire Soviet communism and ignore the reality of 1930s Russia.
    He was from a very liberal upper class family and married into great wealth. He was in that milieu is rich people saving the world and how dare the working class object.

    He was appointed by Roosevelt who was a more reasonable version of upperclassmen leader saves the world.

    Nothing wrong with socialism 8 hour day good working conditions and the rest but Davies and his kind admired the Russian revolution and ignored the fact that the people were worse off than before the revolution and the millions of deaths

    Davies arrived in Russia as what I call an empty sink liberal. Put in the plug, open the faucet and the empty brain fills with the latest propaganda.
    So he believed everything he was told. Or he didn’t believe and lied like Walter Durant

  155. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @lulu

    All those achievements of Soviet Russia were also achieved in America and most of Europe in the 1930s. They were achieved by the strength of labor unions of working men voting for Men like Roosevelt Mussolini and Blum.

    Free health care? We’ve had that in America known since the mid 1800s.

    By state laws, every county in this country must have a free county hospital and county clinics. As America moved west that law was written into the state constitutions as the territories became states. In the 1800s

    Protected tenancy?? What’s that standard lease arrangements that have been around for centuries? Big deal

    And how do you know that Russian food in the 1930s was organic and tasty? You’re comparing chemical tasting fast food of today with 1930s food.

  156. utu says:
    @6 Gorillion

    I’m much more inclined to believe Jews were attracted to Communism precisely because of its explicitly anti-Christian philosophy

    You are correct.

    Trotsky in New York by Ackerman

    I would not trust the author. He is a typical Jewish apologist with the agenda to whitewash. On his web page he make the following statement:

    It is alarming that today there survives a thick file of memos written by MID under General Churchill containing a barriage of slanders against Jews people as a group.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-the-bolshevik-revolution-and-its-aftermath/#comment-2431502

    That Jews would be better off if the “thick file” did not survive? Is this the attitude you expect in a historian? Yes, this is exactly an attitude you expect in historians who writes to do the whitewash job. This is what you expect from Jewish self-appointed historian engaged in ethnic activism.

    Wouldn’t you like to know what was in this file? Especially concerning Jacob Schiff?

    Would you expect Ackerman of whom you know is Jewish ethnic activist to analyze these documents? Or rather he would dismiss them as signs of some mental anti-Semitic paranoia that for no reason at all afflicted Brigadier General Marlborough Churchill?

    • Agree: Ron Unz
    • Replies: @Anon
  157. Heros says:

    Depending on one’s living circumstances the availability of large library purchases and affordable space to create a private library may vary widely. I was flooded in 1986 and lost all my school textbooks, among other things. This was all for the better since all the history I spent so many hours studying and reading about for decades was nothing but pure lies. I certainly wish I could have the money and time back that I wasted reading things like the economist. I “woke” about 2008, and I only “jwoke” within the last few years.

    I have always enjoyed perusing used book stores, but never have had the hours to spend studying books I have never seen to verify their value and find the occasional gem. I appreciate Ron Unz’s own “public” library, but I prefer to not have to read a book online.

    So instead I am always searching for old interesting books, and usually I find them on archive.org and then I download them in .pdf format for my personal pdf library.

    Here is a great archive of fascinating old books that jews and their “intellectual” and “scolarly” puppet historians would hate, hate, hate:

    https://archive.org/details/fav-know_your_enemy

    Here is a great book from archive.org that I am currently reading:

    Satan, Prince of This World

    https://ia801402.us.archive.org/31/items/pdfy-CF3PRqb1CblGB8-3/Carr%20-%20Satan%20-%20Prince%20of%20This%20World%20%28Luciferian%20conspiracy%20exposed%29%20%281959%29.pdf

    I think that I can state with the same level of certainty that Run Unz has about the 6 million jews that weren’t gassed that none of these books in know_your_enemy’s archive would never be found in a library old book sale. I am certain that I could find loads of books about Ann Frank, Gloria Steinham, MLK and Nat Turner though.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Mike P
  158. @renfro

    Your documents are consistent with those of other scholars, including Simon Montefiore (author of books on Stalin). Churchill openly stated in news articles that Bolshevism was Jewish. The Jewish Encyclopedia and other sources did the same. There are various lists out there of the various Bolshevik committees that don’t align with the one that Shamir posted.

    It is beyond my ability to resolve, although my wife (being Russian) is well capable of digging into the actual source documents. I find it rather suspicious that Kaganovich, Beria, Swerdlow, Kamenev, Yagoda and a host of other characters don’t manage to win themselves a tiny appearance in Shamir’s account.

    As someone else noted, differing in the tiniest details of the Jewish Shoah is enough to land one in a state of incarceration. Denying the Holodomor, Armenian genocide, or Russian purges is perfectly fine.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  159. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    Niall Ferguson broaches one the taboo subject that nobody touched in the US yet, i.e., the rampant and wanton killing of Japanese soldiers who actually wanted to surrender or who has already surrendered.

    That’s very encouraging about him. The only Ferguson book I’ve read is his WWI analysis, which really seemed quite good.

    That being said, the unfortunate details of the Pacific War are only semi-taboo. For example, over 30 years ago, John Dower, an eminent mainstream historian, published WAR WITHOUT PITY, and received glowing reviews from prominent intellectuals. Clint Eastwood’s 2006 Oscar-winning film LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA showed the massacre of some Japanese POWs, and Eastwood mentioned it in a personal interview. So I don’t think it’s really much of a secret…except to the 99% of Americans who are totally unaware of it.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @utu
  160. nickels says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Stalin wanted the grain in order to set up heavy industries.

    This is revisionist/commie apologetic propaganda, just like the misnomer of ‘war communism’ is a smoke screen.

    Marxism = non market economy, which required getting rid of the grain trade. Lenin tried it, but finally realized he was going to lose power. Stalin came back to the issue and started killing all the kulaks exactly according to Marxist dogma .

    The brutal realization one needs to get to, is that the Bolsheviks were perfectly willing to starve, destroy, and kill millions for a purely hypothetical experiment and fantasy, that of ‘communism’. That is a chilling realization.

    These people were all complete Psychopaths.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  161. RVBlake says:
    @Tsigantes

    Again…Well-known U.S. brutalities do not excuse those of the Soviets. I point them out as a counter-balance to comments on this thread which extol the joys of living in the USSR. Sorry you’re embarrassed.

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  162. @Ron Unz

    Read
    Charles A. Lindbergh, ´The Wartime Journals of Charles A. Lindbergh’, New York, 1970
    a USA Pacific commander ‘my boys do not take prisoners’.
    Or
    Mark R. Peattie, ‘Nan’yõ, The Rise and Fall of the Japanese in Micronesia, 1885 – 1945’, Honolulu, 1988, 1992
    Mass Japanese suicides, of women and children
    On the other hand, the word ‘surrender’ did not exist in Japanese military handbooks, and -minds:
    Robert J.C. Butow, ‘JAPAN’S Decision to Surrender’, Stanford, 1954
    Therefore the emperor, supposed to have no might whatsoever, with danger to his own life, announced surrender on the radio, without mentioning the word surrender
    John Toland, ‘Gods of War’, New York 1985
    A historical novel, the Okinawa casualties: 7000 USA, 150.000 Japan.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  163. @nickels

    He did not kill all, at least some were just driven off their farms:
    Morgan Philips Price (edited Tania Rose), ‘Dispatches from the Weimar Republic, Versailles and German Fascism’, London 1999
    At the time Price travelled by train through the Ukraine, desperate farmer families trying to sell family silver etc.
    Cannot see what is apologetic about starving millions in order to prepare for war.

    • Replies: @nickels
  164. @jacques sheete

    Read
    George Macaulay Trevelyan, ‘The Life of John Bright’, 1913, London, 1971, Westport, Connecticut
    on the lives of British workers,
    or
    John Prebble, ‘The Highland Clearances’, London 1969
    and
    Maurice Beresford, ‘The Lost Villages of England’, 1969, London
    Horrible people, the rich British
    See also
    Edmund Curtis, ‘A History of Ireland’, 1936, 2000, London

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  165. Ron Unz says:
    @jilles dykstra

    On the other hand, the word ‘surrender’ did not exist in Japanese military handbooks, and -minds:

    I’ve always heard that claim, but I wonder if it’s really correct in actual practice.

    For example, didn’t the Soviets capture vast numbers of Japanese POWs in their Manchuria attack right near the end of the war?

    Also, according to Wikipedia, the Soviets took up to 3,000 Japanese POWs during their 1939 border-battle, though for ideological reasons, the Japanese pretended they were KIAs.

  166. TomVe says:
    @Ron Unz

    To Ron Unz’s point. More recently there is the case of the Oligarchs who controlled the country independent of the government.

    There is a two part YouTube video of which I have no recollection of link or title, about the so called Oligarchs who took control after Yeltsin was elected. There is an interview with some fellow who was so sort of economic minister or advisor. He relates that he was called into a meeting with the 8 or 9 Oligarchs and told “we are the government” and you will do as we say. He asked: ‘what if I don’t agree with you’ and they responded ‘you will be fired’. He laughed at the irony while relating the incident.

    Also: Thank you Mr. Unz! I can’t tell you how much I appreciate you site and columns. You may have studied physics and computers but you are a paradigm case of what a social scientist should be and the work s/he should do.

  167. Anon[412] • Disclaimer says:
    @Thea

    Women’s reproductive health was a massive failure. Crowded into shared apartments and tiny studios there wasn’t much room for kids so they had to limit family size. Even when they built factorys and new towns in rural areas they still built tiny apartments with shared kitchens and bathrooms down the hall.

    Birth control

    SU made diaphragms and condoms but like everything else they were defective. The average number of abortions per woman was 8 because the geniuses making a brave new world couldn’t be bothered to make the devices effective.

    If you’re anti abortion think of the babies that went down the drain because of that

    Diapers baby clothes and bedding

    No washing machines of course. No laundery sinks either. The diapers had to be washed in the communal bathroom down the floor

    Milk and baby formula

    SU gave mothers 3 years maternity leave. Sounds wonderful until you realize why. It’s because toddlers need lots of milk the first few years. But so unreliable was the supply of milk so waters down it was that the only way for a toddler to survive was to be nursed by Mom

    Of course the nutritional value of breast milk depends on the nutrition of the mothers. So as time went on and a new generation of malnourished Moms had babies they died because Mom’s milk was deficient and there was an insufficient supply of goats milk for the birth to 1 year olds and cow milk for the toddlers.

    Cleanliness

    Every visitor to the old SU noticed the smell of people wearing unwashed clothes due to the lack of laundry facilities.

    A friend was born in China in 1984. His parents were not poor peasants. Dad has an engineering degree. Xaibo lived on rice water boiled with sugar the first year of his life with rice water and sugar boiled to a goo as his solid food.

    Why so much sugar? Cuba was a colony of the SU and communist countries were over supplied with cheap sugar.

    Why did Xiabo and all the babies in his town live on rice water and sugar the first year of their lives?

    1 due to malnourishment since child hood their mothers had no milk for them. I’m obviously there were no moms available for wet nursing.

    2 no baby formula for the first year

    3 no goat milk for the first year

    4 no cow milk for age 1 to 5 when milk is really necessary even for Asians

    Here’s a tip babies can’t digest cow milk till one year. The curds that form in the stomach are to big so they are just passed out. Don’t know about sheep or camel milk.

    And my friend Bob as he’s called; he’s only 5 ft 4 and very self conscious about it. His Dad’s 5ft 9 Mom’s 5 ft 4 so his parents are normal size because their parents managed to get milk for them as babies.

    Socialism improves. on cut throat capitalism and feudalism. Communism destroys.

  168. utu says:
    @Ron Unz

    Something else that might be encouraging about Ferguson. In the beginning of his career he wrote history of Rothschilds which is very hard to get or at least it used to be when I learned about it after reading his Pity of War.. So I was wondering if there was more than what we were supposed to know.

    You are correct about Japanese surrender to the Red Army. I think approx 800-900k surrendered out of which approx 500k survived the Gulags iirc.

    In the first few months of War Japanese took 27k American prisoners. After several years of fighting there were 36k of Japanese POWs in camps. Something wrong with the picture.

    I have read description of Japanese behavior in Gulags including one by Solzhenitsyn where he rooted for them even though he felt it was not patriotic when Japanese stood up to the criminal prisoners who terrorized everybody else. Also in some other memoir where Japanese organized strike which they actually won. This writer who was a Polish officer in Gulag thought their behavior was admirable.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  169. Ron Unz says:
    @utu

    Something else that might be encouraging about Ferguson. In the beginning of his career he wrote history of Rothschilds which is very hard to get or at least it used to be when I learned about it after reading his Pity of War.. So I was wondering if there was more than what we were supposed to know.

    That’s odd. I’ve never read it, but it seems very easily available on Amazon.com, starting at just $4.54 used. And apparently it was ranked very favorably by the NYT and BusinessWeek, so it can’t have been too “controversial”…

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    , @Persona
  170. Anon[332] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    I’m much more inclined to believe Jews were attracted to Communism precisely because of its explicitly anti-Christian philosophy

    You are correct.

    I disagree.

    Communism fills a number of Jewish eschatological goals in regard to non-Jews. This has nothing to do with Christianity.

    When this fact is compounded with the Jewish origins and leadership in communism (past and present), the excuse that Jews are attracted to communism out of implied defense from Christianity is not credible.

    Second, the anti-Christian premise, in order to keep its integrity, would require that Jews shy away from communism in Christianity free (de facto or otherwise) environments. This is not the case either.

    Jews, by and large, do not live in Christianity dominated regions in the US or Europe. Most of the regions that Jews inhabit are secular / Left. Yet, their voting patterns still indicate that they are the group who is most attracted to (ever further) Left politics (except when their internationalist interests [ie: Israel] are best attended to, in any given period, over the erosion of the out-group’s nationalist culture and political protections).

    My observation is that Jews are attracted to communism as a weaponized political vehicle that has broad psychological impact on their perceived political competitors.

    Thus, it works very well toward transforming society into something more functionally compliant (by force or influence), much less threatening to them, and it efficiently creates a society that works in a capacity that is the next best thing to real slavery (a primary Jewish eschatological edict).

    Letting Jews off of the hook by handing them an excuse that implies some manner of righteous defense is a departure from the reality of their belief system, as well as a departure from history.

    Jews were not isolated in the Pale of Settlement because of bigotry. They were isolated in the Pale of Settlement because they were a long-proven mortal danger to society due to their religious eschatology and the destructive role that it mandates for them in society. They have always embraced this role, as a group.

    To grant them a defensive excuse is to ignore this fact.

    • Replies: @utu
  171. Allan says:
    @Michael Kenny

    You want us to believe that you can’t figure it out? C’mon, you know that Dizzy Izzy’s motive is to break down resistance to collectivist despotism, “socialist” grand larceny, organized famines, and so on. Yet secular humanists have earned a reputation for all this and more. What is to be done?

    Now comes Dizzy Izzy to sanitize the reputations of communists by standing on its head an old “Progressive” trope which has been popular since the death of Stalin and the exposure of his many crimes. According to progressive apologetics, esp. in the USA, the USSR was truly despotic and destructive, but it wasn’t real communism or real socialism. It wasn’t true progressivism, the Progs have been saying. Dizzy thinks that this defense of communism is passé, so he seeks to replace it partly with a formula which was favored before the crackup of American communism in the 1950′s.

    His refurbished apologetics goes like this: The USSR was truly communist, and allegations about its crimes and despotism are just calumnies spread by the evil meanies of “neoliberal capitalism” and their mouthpieces. Furthermore, adds Dizzy, it’s still true that the Jews had little to do with the rise of the USSR, which was a lovely place but which could not endure for long given its official godlessness. Never mind the “kulak” and his origins in the emancipation of the 1960′s. Be not afraid. Lenin must be resurrected, and then we will have abundant life—without “rich guys”—subject to a Godly faith.

    Dizzy has done us a favor by floating this trial balloon of his. He imagines that the criticism he encounters here will help him to refine his ideas and arguments, to make them ready for prime time distribution. He did not intend, I’m sure, to sound an alarm about The Menace of the Religious Left, which has been a feature of European religion and politics since before 1517.

    The Menace of the Religious Left
    By Murray N. Rothbard

    What is little realized today is that at the time of the flourishing of Karl Marx as a socialist-Communist leader, at least half of the Communist movement was heretically Christian, the other half following Marx’s atheized version of the search for an apocalyptic and secular Kingdom.

    [Emphasis added in italics.]

  172. @Tsigantes

    I didn’t. Question in response: is your comment an example of the notorious American irony deficit?

    • Replies: @Tsigantes
  173. nickels says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Cannot see what is apologetic about starving millions in order to prepare for war.

    Yes, indeed. By apologetic, I mean that it is used as an apologetic for Marxism, i.e. the old ‘but it wasn’t real communism’.

  174. Nick says:

    The usual sick dull communist nazi like propaganda.You should ask the victims first.And we know many. Shame on you.

    If somebody waiting to find archives to a murdorer ideology is fooled.The ideology itself give us all the info to realise what kind of people we face and what can happen if they take power on their hands.They become millions times worst than they accuse.Not that USA is not innocence.And the archives of my country which suffered from communism too proves that 80% of bolshevics hierarchy was jews.But followed by not jews too.As for victims in one day only we had 5000 murdored.And with that fact of murdor some hotheads today threatens their opponents and confess them too by stupidity the truth of fact.They are also trained and professional liars.It is known that Hitler was admiring Stalin and Gaibels in a New York Times article of 1924 describes the similarity between them.You need a looot of more reading mr Shamir just to unterstand what you read.If you are not a professional liar.

  175. EugeneGur says:
    @RVBlake

    Well-known U.S. brutalities do not excuse those of the Soviets.

    It’s not a question of excuses but of understanding and fairness, intellectual if not of any other kind. If the Soviet system is unacceptable because of these brutalities, then why the US system is laudable in spite of many more such brutalities? Ever asked yourself that question?

    Sorry you’re embarrassed.

    I don’t believe he is. He is just pointing our how inconsistent you are.

  176. @Ron Unz

    I agree, this myth of no Japanese surrender seems implausible.

    I am far from an expert on the Asia-Pacific War, but my understanding is that the island hopping battles were ones of attrition, in which surrender was difficult; it was also where the more elite Japanese units were stationed. Consequently, low surrender rates. Just like surrender rates on the Western Front in WW1 were also very low.

    The Japanese armies in China and Manchuria were lower quality, and subjected to encirclement, with no hope of resupply. Hence the large numbers of POWs.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Cortes
  177. utu says:
    @Anon

    In what way it is a defensive excuse? I think it is the opposite.

  178. So You tell us that Solzenitsyn was full of Bullshit !

    MISTER !

    There are many more wittnesses , wittnesses in the Hundreds

    Let me give You but One :

    https://archive.org/details/TheRulersOfRussia-AmericanEdition-ByRevDenisFahey/page/n0

  179. florin n. says:

    schiff’s funding is very well supported as anyone who spends an hour or so web searching will find.

    the photo showing 1 Jew out of 15 smacks of cherry picking- I like Shamir but he decided what was true an initio, and ignored entirely Unz’s references.

    you don’t do that when you’re truly digging for the facts.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  180. utu says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    I know of case from a guy who witnessed it that a group Japanese soldiers has already surrendered earlier and were sitting on the ground and some GIs were passing by and threw hand grenades at them. There were no consequences. It was on Aleutian Islands.

  181. @Craig Nelsen

    There was an attempted coup in Germany, still reeling from the Jewish betrayal in WWI, that was only put down with difficulty, and the two Jewish ringleaders executed. By the time Hitler was rising to power, the genocide of Russian Christians by Jewish Bolsheviks had been going on for twenty years.

    There was that and much much more, but only a handful of ‘Merkins have any clue and even less concern, which is beyond tragic.

  182. @RouterAl

    …maybe they stole those reserves.

    No “maybe” about it. The churches and monasteries were looted too and Rumania, I think, had its national gold reserves in Russia for safekeeping and those disappeared as well.

  183. Cortes says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    A sober (US) assessment of the rolling over of Manchuria by the Red Army with measured description of Japanese forces, the terrain and the scale of the operations:

    https://usacac.army.mil/cac2/cgsc/carl/download/csipubs/LP7_AugustStormTheSoviet1945StrategicOffensiveInManchuria.pdf

  184. I seldom have read so much Propaganda and LIES .. as in this Article
    I am sorry to say .. it surprizes me that Roy Unz
    allows such RUBBISH .. easily DEBUNKED
    on his otherwise excellent Pages

  185. Tsigantes says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    is your comment an example of the notorious American irony deficit?

    Hardly – not being American & living 7000 miles away. Call it an east Mediterranean “irony deficit” in light of the bombs. Sober realities tend to banish irony, or one could say the ironies are of a different order of magnitude.

    Such is clearly not your case.

  186. Mr. Shamir has no comment.
    Very interesting. I guess we will see.

    As to our host, Mr. Unz, may I draw your attention to some articles on this website:

    https://russia-insider.com/en/case-911-was-israeli-attack-us-overwhelmingly-strong-ron-unz/ri24931

  187. FB says:

    What a tremendous article by Mr Shamir…along the lines of the mythbusting series on Chairman Mao by Godfree Roberts…

    • LOL: L.K
  188. @Anatoly Karlin

    Apart from i find this discussion RIDICULOUS
    because the basis ,.. the article by Shamir is PURE AGIT PROP
    and STUPID on top of that .. because it is contradicting
    too many serious wittnesses .

    I think it would be appropriate here on these Pages that SHAMIR
    PUBLICLY denounces Alexander Solzenitzyn and explicietely calls him a LIER

    I wonder if mr Shamir ever will be taken serious ..after that .. by any serious student of History.

    The Germans were NOT the main financiers of the Bolsheviks !
    Reg 20 Million provided by Schiff ..this was confirmed by Mr Schiffs son
    To grasp the magnitude of that kind of Money at that time
    one should MULTIPLY that number by at least 100 probably
    200 .. to arrive into a comparative value today ..
    and that was not all . the Internal War took long time and demanded a lot of money
    I have in my possession a copy of a Money transfer from Rotschild to the Bolsheviks
    The Money was transferred via a small Danish Bank in a suburb , Frederiksberg of Copenhagen to St Petersburg
    I have also been informed that there were many more transferals of money and that these besides the danish transferals via Cipenhagen were transferred via Haparanda , the Border city between Sweden and Finland

    Regarding Jewish Influence in the Sovjet Union .. i must say that i after many years puzzling over what really took place ..because i could not make sense of what occurred .. even if having travelled extensively in East Europe during Communism ..I received great Help in reading the Review by David MacDonald of Yuri Slezkines Book The Jewish Century.. nicknamed Stalins Willing Executioners ..These 2 Writings in combination finally clarified for me and explained LOGICALLY the Political Events during the last 50 years … where the Jews from having been Fanatic Marxists converted into becoming capitalist NeoCons .. while FLEEING from their Misdeeds in the Sovjet Empire.. Russia and Easteurope alike… This happened under the Radar of the West .. and it took some time before the Penny dropped for the Leftist Jews of the West .. who continued with their Marxist Subversive Propaganda until it became Ridiculous and Untenable in face of the Collaps of the Sovjet Union ..

  189. @utu

    I do not think that the issue here is whether there is a possibility that socialism or some versions of it may offer better life for humans. The issue here is whether (1) USSR killed N million people and what is the value of N and (2) whether Jews played a special role as perpetrators in the killing process disproportionately to their numbers..

    I do realize that, just posting some relevant vids I come across, for others to watch. You’re not required to if you don’t want. Carry on.

    Check this out, talk about ZOG, the real kick in the teeth is this passed the day after 9/11..
    New US Law Obliges Americans to Pay Unlimited Billions to Israel

    H.R.5141 – United States-Israel Security Assistance Authorization Act of 2018

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5141/text?r=4

    Passed by the House of Representatives on September 12, 2018, the “United States-Israel Security Assistance Authorization Act of 2018” rolls back any limitations that the US places on the amount of “aid” American taxpayers MUST hand over to Israel.

    The bill states in “Sec. 102. Statement of Policy) that it “shall be the policy of the United States to provide assistance to the Government of Israel in order to support funding for cooperative programs to develop, produce, and procure missile, rocket, projectile, and other defense capabilities to help Israel meet its security needs and to help develop and enhance United States defense capabilities.”

    According to a review of the law published by the If Americans Knew group, the AIPAC-lobbied law, introduced by Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Florida), whose maternal grandparents were Sephardic Jews, originally from the Ottoman Empire, who had been active in Cuba’s Jewish community, and Ted Deutch (D-Florida), whose grandparents were Jewish immigrants from Belarus, the bill is “even more generous to Israel than the Senate bill and the 2016 Memorandum of Understanding and “amounts to $7,230 per minute to Israel, or $120 per second.”

    The If Americans Knew review adds that the bill “guarantees $38 billion to Israel over the next ten years” and “is a dramatic departure from the deal offered under President Obama’s 2016 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU).

    “Most dramatically, this new act would eviscerate the ability of President Trump and his successors for the next ten years to withhold United States aid to Israel,” the review continued.
    [...]
    The review added that the “second most important effect of this act is in Section 103. While the MOU limits the amount of aid [the US] give[s] Israel to the amount agreed upon, in this case $38 billion over 10 years, Section 103 of the current bill removes all limitations on how much [the US] give[s] give Israel.

    “Under the new act, instead of 38 billion being the cap, as Obama stipulated in his 2016 MOU, [the US] must now give Israel a minimum of $3.8 billion per year until 2028.

    “Without a cap, and with incessant lobbying by Israel and her proxies in the United States, the amount we give could conceivably double over the next 10 years,” the review said.

    http://newobserveronline.com/new-us-law-obliges-americans-to-pay-unlimited-billions-to-israel/

    Wow.

  190. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Jews were vastly over-represented in the upper echelons of Soviet Communism but they were bound to fall in the long run because Communist Power was all about Machine Politics.

    To win in Machine Politics, you don’t have to be the most brilliant or intellectual. You just need to find the most support within the party. Given that most people in government are mediocre, they prefer the doer than the thinker. So, Stalin won out… like the Daley Machine ruled Chicago for so long. Daley had the support of closeknit Irish commissars who were all about shared power than individual brilliance.

    If the US were to turn communist and if ALL THE POWER were concentrated in Machine Politics of the State, Jews will lose out to the Stalins and Daleys of the world.

    But in the US, Jewish state power has huge support network in the private sector where Jews gained dominance via ability or brilliance. So, Jewish Political power is backed by media power, finance power, entertainment power, high-tech power, real estate power, law firm power, and etc. In the USSR, Jews had no such network since private property was destroyed and all the power was in the state. Even though Jews had control of the state early on, the logic of Machine Politics favored someone like Stalin who was less about brilliant theorizing and more about hard-nosed organizing, the kind mastered by the figure of Toohey in THE FOUNTAINHEAD.

    • Replies: @Malaysian Truther
  191. Robjil says:

    This Samir guy is doing a whitewash of J/Z culture’s doings in the Bolshevik Revolution. Michael Hoffman noted that J/Z’s do not allow their bad score card count to be ever told or studied. It is anti-Semitic to even note one bad mark on the Judaic score card. On this tiny planet earth, all other culture’s bad marks on their score cards are allowed to be studied and examined without fear. If one examines the J/Z score card for even one tiny smidgen of dirt, one is labeled “Anti-Semite”. Next, one is in all the “papers” of our “free” press and denounced from all the pulpits of power as one of the “worst” people on earth. In most of the world, if one finds and talks about one smidgen of dirt of J/Z culture, then one is employable, jailed or ostracized. In many European countries, one is jailed up to five years for doubting anything about the Big H.
    Yet, we have the entire world being destroyed in endless wars and conflicts in the last 100 years with great influence from J/ Z culture. The J/Z cultists even brag about it.

    Stalin was poisoned on Purim 1953. Many J/Zs celebrate this. Here are some of the many articles about it from J/Z sources.

    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/2995717/jewish/The-Miracle-of-Stalins-Death.htm

    https://www.thejewniverse.com/2017/was-stalins-death-a-purim-miracle/

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/40426

    http://www.rajeon.org/stalin-purim-miracle/

    https://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Purim-miracle-of-1953-483994

    https://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/the-whole-megillah-on-stalins-death/

    The hanging of the ten National Socialists in 1946 was considered a Purim related ritual by many J/Z cultists. To be so precise, it had to planned by J/Z cultists.

    https://ohr.edu/3440

    http://www.chiefrabbi.co.za/2012/03/purimsphiel-1946-the-purim-link-between-nazi-germany-and-nuclear-iran/

    “Julius Streicher, one of the high-ranking Nazis sentenced to death at the Nuremberg Trials, moments before he was hanged in the early hours of On October 16th 1946, Newsweek reported this: “He stared at the witnesses facing the gallows and shouted ‘Purimfest, 1946.’”
    What did Streicher mean by this? Why would a condemned Nazi mention Purim in his last words? Streicher was obviously familiar with Megillat Esther, which tells of the attempted genocide Haman planned, and how, when his plans were thwarted and they were defeated, Haman and his ten sons were hanged. Streicher was acutely aware of the irony of history – that he was one of ten Nazis hanged after being sentenced at the Nuremberg Trials. (In fact, eleven had been sentenced to death but Goering committed suicide before his sentence was carried out.) And so in the end ten were hanged, just like Haman’s ten sons in the Book of Esther.
    The ten were sentenced on the 1st of October, in the days between Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur of 1946, and hanged on the 16th of October, which that year came out on Hoshana Rabbah, which, according to the Zohar, is the day that judgment of the world is finalized.”

    Purim was the main theme for the recent invasions in the middle east with Israel’s biggest colony US doing the most legwork.

    https://daisyluther.blogspot.com/2012/02/happy-purim-lets-start-war.html

    “Purim 1991:  Desert Storm ended on Purim with the punctuation of a massacre of 150,000 retreating Iraqi soldiers on the HIGHWAY OF DEATH

    Purim 2003:  US President George Bush began the INVASION OF IRAQ with his “shock and awe” campaign, an attack of which the legality is still in question, as it was undertaken without the authorization of the UN. This warhas an unofficial DEATH TOLL of 162,333 people, and horrifyingly, more than 114,000 of the dead were made up of civilian men, women and children.

    Purim 2011: OPERATION ODYSSEY DAWN began with the firing of 115 American Tomahawk missiles on Libya, to end 8 months later with a death toll of more than 30,000 people. “

    The biggest J/Z fantasy of all is giving a Purim treatment to Iran. Iran is where the first Purim happened, so it is biggest goal of all. Notice all the chatter about Iran from Israel and its colony the US. It is all based on some BC era Purim fantasies.

    https://www.juf.org/news/thinking_torah.aspx?id=414419

    There will be a Purim after Ahmadinejad and the Ayatollahs.  It will be a great Purim.  It will be a fitting Purim for it takes place in the land of the first genocidal fantasy.  Someday in our lifetime there will be a Purim after these genocidal fantasizers are removed the scene.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  192. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Personally, I think the number of dead under the Bolsheviks was closer to 10 million than 20 million.

    Even so, there’s no doubt Stalin carried out ruthless policies to get things done. Granted, things weren’t so rosy in the West either. US had slavery and exploited Chinese to build railroads at huge human cost. And building of the Panama Canal was no picnic either, and the Westward expansion led to much environmental damage and expulsion of Indians.

    There’s no doubt that huge population transfers by Stalin led to mass deaths. Whether it was Baltic/Volga Germans, Poles, Koreans(in far east Siberia), Kazahks, or whatever, mass transfers of populations were carried out with brutality and without consideration for life. Many died from exposure. Also, stuff like the Katyn Massacre ought to tell us something about the nature of Stalinism(though, to be sure, other regimes also carried out horrors). I suppose the difference is the US had a free press that could highlight atrocities like MyLai and Abu Gharib. In contrast, as USSR had a totalitarian media, any number of state crimes could be covered up. Thus, there were no checks and balances on Stalin. Even so, when I look at how the US media ignored most of the horrors in Libya and Syria, maybe we shouldn’t overly rely on the guarantee of Free Media. After all, so-called Free Media are monopolized by a handful of oligarchs who hire PC-addled scribes churned out by ideological factories called universities.

    As for Jews, I’m sure there’s exaggerations all around. Some will blame Jews for everything wrong with communism. Others will whitewash Jewish role in communism.

    But given the behavior of Jewish Power in Our World, I wonder about the nature of Jewish influence in the past. Granted, we can’t judge people in the past by how they act today. After all, Germans and Japanese after WWII acted very differently than during the war period. War-like people became peaceful. And today’s cucky-wuck whites sure act differently from proud race-ist whites of the past. So, it’d be fallacious to judge past Jews by behavior of today’s Jews.

    Still, the amount of Jewish madness, megalomania, and mendacity in the present truly stumps my imagination. The looting of Russia in the 90s, the insane Wars for Israel, the use of mass-immigration-invasion to wreck the West, promotion of insane Homomania, Wall Street robbery, spread of gambling, the pornification of society, the promotion of cucky-wuckery about whites, the endless anti-white vitriol, the hysteria about RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA(that exceeds the most extreme paranoia of the Cold War period), suppression of free speech(while also claiming to defend civil liberties), zero justice for long-suffering Palestinians, criminalization of BDS, and etc… We can go on and on.

    Did Jews suddenly go nuts since the end of the Cold War? Or has there long been a rather sick radical element in Jewish culture and mindset that drives Jews to push various forms of craziness through the ages?

  193. map says:

    Never let it be said that Ron Unz never includes iconoclastic articles for our consumption. That said, it is very difficult to take seriously what Israel Shamir has written.

    Simply put, it is not believable that Roginsky is even trustworthy. Despite his protestations of being “anti-Soviet,” in reality, his work is financed by Soros and by the US State Department, both entities hell-bent on white-washing communism. You would have to believe that Soros is a libertarian and that the State Department looks out for US interests, instead of both being hotbeds of anti-American activity. Roginsky’s deep-dive into “Soviet archives” is credible if you trust Soviet-era record-keeping or somehow imagine that they are going to keep records of the people that they shoot. Record-keeping is what undid the Germans, after all.

    Still, if you can believe that the Holocaust was just deaths due to the deprivations of war and that Auschwitz was just used for delousing displaced persons, I suppose you can believe that the Soviets arrested only 7 million people who were all criminals and terrorists. After all, America has a huge prison population, don’t’cha know?

    The deeper problem with this whitewashing of the Bolshevik history, this claim that the anti-Bolshevism we hear is just so much rich-guy talk to protect their billions, is this: if the Bolsheviks really were nothing more than political and agrarian reformers, then what was their Russian opposition complaining about? If Bolshevism wasn’t a murderous will-to-power cult, then the Russian opposition loses much of its moral high ground. After all, why did Bukharin and Trotsky oppose Stalin? Why did the White Russians oppose the Red Russians? What did the Mensheviks really believe? What about Kerensky? What were his motives?

    Revolutions have heroes and villains. If Stalin comes out the hero, then everyone else is a villain.

    The narrative gets worse when you add the Jews. So, the Bolsheviks weren’t murderers, but, even if they were, it did not matter because Jews were Mensheviks. They staffed and funded the Menshevik Party. Yet, if the Bolsheviks were not murderers, but heroes of the Revolution, then the Jews were staffing and funding the evil opposition. If the funding was coming from outside, then Stalin’s security services were neck-deep in putting out fires caused by Jewish machinations. We are, then, right back to square one: Jewish money from outside of Russia was enabling the Jewish population within Russia to take over the country. This money swirled between Trotsky and Lenin, then Kerensky, then Bukharin, then back to Trotsky, and around anyone that could be bought for leverage…until Stalin noticed the whole thing and then put an end to it through a series of additional civil wars. True, while the Jews did not succeed, their participation deepened and prolonged the civil wars, until Stalin moved the entire Jewish population of Russia into the maw of the Nazis and the pogroms the enthusiastic locals instituted. We are, then, right back to examining the Jewish role in the entire Bolshevik movement.

  194. renfro says:
    @Anon

    Or has there long been a rather sick radical element in Jewish culture and mindset that drives Jews to push various forms of craziness through the ages?

    Well to answer that all you need do is ask yourself.

    - Do you think it possible that by some miracle or cosmic spirit one group of humans exist on earth who were totally innocent of any acts that caused others to reject and persecute them for 3 thousand years?
    - Or in other words, do you believe that all the people thru those centuries who shunned or expelled Jews were evil and wrong and all the Jews thruout the centuries were purely innocent, good and totally blameless in what befell them?

    Because that is what we are asked to believe.

  195. Yee says:

    Anon[412],

    “A friend was born in China in 1984. His parents were not poor peasants. Dad has an engineering degree. Xaibo lived on rice water boiled with sugar the first year of his life…”

    Probably a lie if your friend was born in 1984 to engineer parents…. Engineers are city dwellers, there was no shortage of supplies in mid 80s in the cities.

    Chinese mothers do have problem giving milk, though, but it’s probably genetic. I’ve read somewhere that a certain gene controls both lactation and body odor, and that gene is very weak in East Asians. So 95%-99% (different regions)Chinese people have no body odor, but mothers also have difficulties giving milk.

  196. @Sergey Krieger

    To Sergey Krieger and other like-minded Russians including Andrei Martyanov,

    I commented the following on Steve Hsu’s blog. (Link: http://disq.us/p/1w9mlrh)

    [MORE]

    Since the USSR was mentioned here, in a positive light, I shall point out how in this YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0kgtHRGkjk of a performance of the Chinese version of the Soviet song Katyusha, some Russian commented,

    Ну что можно сказать, в тов время, как мы брали от запада все самое плохое – Китай взял от СССР все самое лучшее

    which in translation says

    Well, what can you say, while we took from the West all the worst, China took from the USSR all the best

    Yes, singing those Soviet songs in Chinese, with lyrics translated so well that the song actually sounds Chinese, is a form of appropriation and enjoyment of Soviet/Russian culture for Chinese locals. It’s the complete opposite of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, et al. taking in ill culture and advice from the West to commit genocide of the Soviet/Russian people on behalf of the Western elite.

    Just look at the stark contrast between how the USSR/Russia and China ultimately dealt with its right-wing/liberals in the 80s and 90s. USSR/Russia let them eventually take over to commit wanton destruction and genocide in USSR/Russia for the West, while China let them go to America, where they could bitch and complain there, far from Chinese sight. In the end, China defecates its political misfits/troublemakers and the burden of dealing with them is transferred to America. If you think about it, evolution cannot favor those who spurn their own ethnic group and seek for its subjugation by outsiders or their descendants. In this sense, those people are mentally ill. They by virtue of their ethnicity are not truly assimilable into Western society either. So there, they are ultimately a burden and in some sense a Chinese biological weapon. At least, a Russian/East European is white and can more or less hide his ethnic background by changing his name. So in a way, Chinese right-wing/liberals are much more sick than the Russian/East European ones. Evolution will cleanse them over time.

    My observation of Russians here in America, some through personal interaction, has also been that many of them are similarly “sick.” They will denigrate Russia outright without any sense of shame or guilt, saying almost exactly what the American MSM does. To this, my internal reaction would be one of

    Aren’t you Russian, and by doing that, doesn’t that reflect rather lowly of yourself? Even if Russia is shit, maybe you should, uh, keep it to yourself? Shouldn’t you have some pride in Russian culture and achievement, objectively rich, great, and formidable? Even if you don’t like some aspects of the USSR, isn’t it kind of indisputable that the Russian culture and nation attained its apex during the Soviet era?

    Like it or not, I tend to see this as a sign of “poor character.” Seriously, have some pride in who you are cultural heritage wise, especially when there is so much to be proud of. As much as these people try hard to be American, my thought on this remains much one of “real Anglo-Saxon Americans won’t see you that way, they’ll still associate you at least subconsciously with Russia, and they won’t respect you either.”

    In any case, I read explicitly from somewhere else the idea that evolution does not pass on the genes of those who are ethnically self-hating, elaborated on above. I would love to say that I had implicitly been aware of this myself all along. Subconscious realization of this and thereby action along the opposite direction, really, should be instinctive for a normal, healthy person. This is why I regard many of the self-hating, West-worshipping Chinese and Russian immigrants in America to be “mentally sick.”

    By the way, that the US-led West essentially committed genocide against Russia in the 90s through support of traitors of the Russian nation and people was my independent conclusion. This is a completely fair statement as the population indisputably went down substantially (in this day and age, the statistics readily available are almost certainly accurate).

    What are your thoughts on those Russians who ally with Anglos to screw over other Russians? Is there a term in Russian for “Russian traitor” analogous to 汉奸 (hanjian) in Chinese?

    Something else: my conclusion that the West cannot be trusted at all should also be instinctive for a normal person of your background, or my background. Are there seriously so many Russians naive enough to learn that only after having been wrecked once by the West? Someone who learns that a pit of snakes is dangerous after jumping into one is not more aware of that reality than one who avoids that pit in the first place. I thought that maybe overall, Chinese were more aware of this than Russians were since they are not white, whereas Russians, despite having some Mongol and Tatar blood, are much closer to Westerners in physical appearance and culturally, and so actually made a serious attempt to blend in that resulted in catastrophic failure.

    A guy on Zhihu who did graduate school in math at Moscow State warns Chinese against studying in the US. One of his most memorable quotes was

    黄右老觉得自己和白大爷一条心,可惜一身黄皮换不掉,白大爷不认。

    In translation,

    Old Yellow Righty feels of the same heart as Uncle Whitey, unfortunately, a body’s worth of yellow skin unable to shed, Uncle Whitey recognizes not.

    Again, this has always been at least subconsciously quite obvious to me, which is why I’m making preparations to leave this country.

    The reality is that America is a dangerous place culturally and mentally for people like us. This is nation founded at its core on dispossession and Anglo white supremacy. Its elite at heart seeks to ethnically cleanse people like us, and the only thing preventing them from actually taking serious action to do so is the fear of retaliation from our increasingly powerful home countries. They will do just that so long as the chance arises, as witnessed in 90s Russia. I see nothing but extinction or mongrelization into the American population for the progeny of those of our type who stay in America.

    On the more positive side, America is perfect dumping ground for the mentally sick right wing/liberal Chinese/Russians who would voluntarily immigrate once permitted. They will not be able to truly assimilate into the American mainstream and will instead become a political liability for America by adding to racial diversity, not to mention that they or their ancestors were political misfits in their ethnic home country as well. In some sense, this is a form of biological weaponry that self-deploys to America.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
    , @Anon
  197. Feliks says:
    @Yellowford

    YELLOW you can see pictures of members SOVNARCOM (you call it first Bolshevik politburo)

    • Replies: @Yellowford
  198. Wally says:
    @Mike P

    said:
    “I should have been clearer – I don’t doubt that at times Jews were victims, including of course the Third Reich. However, they have greatly exaggerated their suffering “holocaust” for political and financial gain, and this story is falling apart.”

    Application of science, rational thought, & logic are not what those who invented the impossible ‘holocaust’ narrative counted on.

    http://www.codoh.com

  199. @Ron Unz

    Read
    Robert J.C. Butow, ‘JAPAN’S Decision to Surrender’, Stanford, 1954
    It is a day by day, sometimes minute by minute, description on how the emperor, supported by some politicians, succeeded in ending the war, endangering their own lives.
    After reading, in my case, not a shred of doubt about how dishonorable surrender was in the Japanese mind.
    John Toland, ‘Gods of War’, New York 1985
    a novel, but the same story.
    I happen to have known Dutch who were in Japanese concentration camps in what later was Indonesia.
    Contempt for those who had surrendered was one of the facts.
    But, as I wrote, history is never black and white.
    Japanese kamikaze pilots did not volunteer, as did German and Russian pilots in WWII.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
  200. @Anon

    Lewis Mumford, ‘The city in history, Its origins, its transformations and its prospects’, London, 1991, 1961
    states that the jewish rules aimed at isolation, a jew could not eat together with non jews, and the fastest possible growth of population, the rules for sexual intercourse.
    On top of that, the ‘Chosen People’.
    When one reads about the history of the Roman empire, it is striking how Rome twice sent large armies to Palestine against the jews.
    There is a theory that Paul invented christianity as secret agent of the Roman empire.
    W’ll never know if the theory is right, but that christianity undermined judaism, there can be little doubt.
    Two jewish writers state that just thirteen % of those who could have remained jews chose to do so.
    The jewish world is dominated by rabbi’s, writers state this, a friend of mine was amazed how in jewish society no decision is made without the rabbi.
    According to Houston Chamberlain, rabbi Graetz, of Krakow, around 1890 in his nine volume or so history of the jews, writes that concience has no function in judaism.
    There was a comment here about paranoia among jews, when I read it I remembered talking to a USA jew, in the USA, we had lunch together.
    When I explained to him my view that Israel is on the self destruct path, he answered ‘but I have nephews there’, his body language just was fear.
    No rational discussion possible.
    Who is interested in what may be the jewish mindset in the USA I recommend Stephen Steinlight.
    Gilad Atzmon wants collective psychotherapy for all jews.

  201. @Ron Unz

    Egon Caesar Conte Corti, ‘Die Rothschildts, Des Hauses Aufstieg Blütezeit und Erbe’, 1927, 1953, (Walter Gong) 1962, München
    They behaved, and got success, not much different as Bleichröder
    Fritz Stern, ‘Gold and Iron, Bismarck, Bleichröder, and the Building of the German Empire’, New York, 1977.
    The essence is quite simple, in a society changing from feudal agrarian, hardly any money used, to industry and commerce, they saw the opportunities for banking.
    The ruling aristocratic elite saw trade as beneath their dignity.
    German Junckers, proud on their estates, even if they lived in gilded poverty.

  202. @Ole C G Olesen

    Antony C. Sutton, ´Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution’, 1974 New Rochelle, N.Y.
    Wall Street supported the bolsjewists in order to prevent that Germany again would start large scale trade with Russia.
    Nowadays Trump tries the same.

  203. @Heros

    My impression is that the really interesting books are bought up, the remaining copies cost hundreds of dollars.
    An example is the only book written by an Arab in english about the zionist Arab war.

  204. Persona says:
    @Ron Unz

    That’s odd. I’ve never read it, but it seems very easily available on Amazon.com, starting at just $4.54 used. And apparently it was ranked very favorably by the NYT and BusinessWeek, so it can’t have been too “controversial”…

    Maybe this blurb on Amazon explains the lack of controversy:

    “Ferguson’s sprawling history covers much ground and involves a cast of hundreds of players. At the outset he notes that his book was commissioned by the modern descendants of the House of Rothschild; even so, he approaches his task with careful balance and a critical eye….”

    This would seem to indicate that there is less than we would like to know.

  205. @Anon

    Or has there long been a rather sick radical element in Jewish culture and mindset that drives Jews to push various forms of craziness through the ages?

    Josephus’ works answer that question.

    Also this, from Hannah Arendt, the ex-Zionist idealist.:

    “Palestine, is not at the center of our national aspirations because 2,000 years ago some people lived
    there from whom in some sense or other we are supposed to be descended, but because for 2,000 years the craziest of peoples took pleasure in preserving the past in the present…”

    -Hannah Arendt, letter written 8.24.36 as published in Within Four Walls, pp 21-2, (1996)

    As for crazy, what do the actions of Israelis today tell us?

  206. Mike P says:
    @Heros

    I have found many interesting books on historical and other subjects on abebooks.com – they have a larger selection, and often lower prices, than amazon.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  207. CalDre says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Basically people want to hear what they want to hear and to the hell with truth.

    Sure, it’s called confirmation bias. And neither you nor Shamir is exempt.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  208. @Mike P

    Another good source is biblio.com.

    UNZ.org is another mother lode of info and opinion.

    • Agree: Mike P
  209. CalDre says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Everything is opened now

    Yes of course, everything, and you have proof of this. And you have read it all. And all of it is 100% accurate. For example, a Jew has never gotten a “Russian” ethnicity in his passport, then or now.

    Well there’s an old saying: Garbage in, garbage out.

    The archives can only validate Soviet atrocities, they cannot negate it. Otherwise the release of the Auschwitz death books would conclusively prove that there was no Holocaust, wouldn’t it?

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  210. I hope you basic math as arithmetic is ok. The numbers are there for all to see. I actually believe Stalin did not shoot enough. Would save a lot of troubles later on. Numbers coming form BS spreaders to whom you obviousness believe without need for any proof are in tens of millions. The real numbers are around 600 000 from 1918 till 1953.
    The times were tragic but those were not Bolsheviks who created that mess. They actually saved Russia from sure death which would come due to previous rulers neglecting resolving major problems for far too long.

  211. @CalDre

    Actually in 80′s I fell under the spell and believed Stalin’s so called atrocities but later I repented. I never believed anything told about Lenin though. The reality is that Shamir opinion is based upon reading results of archival researches. I read some including paper written by Kruglova and Rudenko to Krushev.

    http://www.alexanderyakovlev.org/almanah/inside/almanah-doc/55696.

    What else do you need? You obviously believes it is lies. So, Solzhenicin a liar is a far better source and where did he get his numbers? Out of his middle finger?

    • Replies: @CalDre
    , @Wizard of Oz
  212. @Anon

    Good analysis. Zionism also split the revolutionary movement and in the end proved much more attractive to exercising Jewish power through its outreach network in the US and Western Europe.

  213. What amazes me, archives are truly opened, the numbers and everything is known. Shamir posted the list of the members of the first Soviet government which is in the open for all to see. But no, these people keep thinking there is a lot of hidden and all of this are lies. However they believe whatever stupid numbers are promulgated by various BS peddlers. The fact that Soviet population kept growing while according to them losing 60-100 millions is ok for them.
    Basically people who has no knowledge of basics of Russian history dare to offer their worthless opinions here and derive their “knowledge” from similar sources.

  214. @jilles dykstra

    Communist propaganda was dedicated to showing the corruption of the aristocratic classes, and of religions. All that one learned about religions in their museums was about burning at the state and methods of torture. All societies and all classes are corrupt to some degree or another. Communist propaganda wanted to show the workers and peasants as Saints and the Communist Party as the Chosen Ones. They aren’t. The English school boy who went to Russia and “wrote about his travels” that you cite called himself “An Eaton Lad” as the author. I forget the title of the book. There is no reason to pick out the Russian aristocracy as being any more blameworthy than British or German or Italian. I have read of many cases of Russian aristocrats trying to do good things. The governor of Crimea in the middle 19th century was rich but responsible. Tsar Alexander II freed the serfs. Louis the XVI was quite respectable. Do not fall for propaganda caricatures.

    • Replies: @utu
  215. EugeneGur says:
    @CalDre

    For example, a Jew has never gotten a “Russian” ethnicity in his passport, then or now.

    Some did, and so what? Capital crime indeed. Many Russians Jews are mixed breed and are entirely Russian by culture, married to ethnic Russians and indistinguishable in any way from ethnic Russians. Some Russian Jews preserve their Jewishness and identified themselves specifically as Jews but most do not – I’ve known people of both types.

    This obsession of yours with Jews seems so bizarre. Stalin was Georgian, after all. And so was Beria. Ezhov, the Head of NKVD presiding over the Great Purge or 1933-38, was ethnic Russian – what difference does it make?

    The archives can only validate Soviet atrocities, they cannot negate it.

    They can provide and have provided accurate numbers and negate the overblown claims. There is a huge difference 800,000 people executed over 30 years and even 4 million as claimed by Khrushchev, let alone 20 or 60 million the later authors claimed.

    The archives also provide reasons for people being imprisoned, and it turned out that not all of them were political prisoners, not even the majority. For example, some people looking to rehabilitate their relatives were shocked to find out they were in prison for collaborating with the Nazis or for simple criminal offenses.

    The truth always matters, my friend, whether you like that truth or not.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  216. @Feliks

    I have looked up the 1st sovnarcom (which I hadn’t heard of before) and am just as confused overall. For most of us looking in the actual archives is not an option so that leaves the internet which is very polarised on this subject. From what I can tell there were 4 Jews on the 1st sovnarcom but how many members overall? 7? 12? 15?. Robert wilton of the times seems to be a very unreliable source.

  217. utu says:
    @ploni almoni

    Do not fall for propaganda caricatures.

    He is the propaganda caricature. He can’t transcend his conditioning of Dutch and Protestant superiority and the bias against Catholics and Orthodox and anything East of Elbe and South of Alps. He sometimes provide good information because he is well read but he is able to synthesize it. The map of his knowledge is many unconnected dots.

  218. CalDre says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    The fact is there are many people who disagree with Israel, including Putin, who carries vastly more weight than you and Israel combined (and Israel’s explanation of Putin’s statement is just ludicrous).

    I don’t really care to debate the details as it is settled for me and I have debates that interest me much more to engage in :). But I can relate to falling under spells, I once believed in the Holohoax, and then when deeply looking into it, realized it was one of the Big Lies.

  219. CalDre says:
    @EugeneGur

    Some did, and so what? Capital crime indeed.

    I wrote nothing of the sort, and frankly resent that you would twist my words and then try to denounce my argument. That is called bad faith debating, or a straw man more specifically. The obvious point is you cannot rely, for numerous reasons, on the ethnicity on the Russian passport in 1917 to prove the ethnicity of the person. Beyond numerous other isssues.

    I’ve known people of both types.

    The Bolshevik Revolution “just happened” to coincide, of coure, with the opening up of the Pale of Settlement. Jews were always free to leave the Pale of Settlements if they elected to assimilate, and we know from Jewish history how totalitarian Jewish communities were. So the Jews that were up until recently in the Pale of Settlements – the very strict, unassimilated Jews – were not these integrated ones (and of course I agree, counltess Jews have assimilated over history, but these are no longer Jews, they are not longer loyal to the tribe, and we are not referring to them by using the term “Jew”). Which explains why they persecuted Christians so methodically – Judaism despises Christianity and, indeed, the “true” Jewish view is that Christians are idolaters and must be killed. There is no debating this, though of course Jews do, but disingenuously. (Reform Jews just don’t follow the more barbaric parts of their religion.)

    This obsession of yours with Jews seems so bizarre.

    That the truth is bizarre to you is not my concern. But I don’t care to debate this issue, it’s been debated countless times already, to me the evidence is simply overwhelming. Agree to disagree.

    The archives also provide reasons for people being imprisoned

    By the archive argument, you would have to agree that only a few 10,000s died at Auschwitz, the vast majority by disease, most of the remaining by old age and the like. So, is that your belief? Or do you use the “archives provides” argument only when it confirms your bias?

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  220. CalDre says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Shamir posted the list of the members of the first Soviet government

    So what? Even if this is true, and I have not looked into his claims as it doesn’t interest me to do so, you have to demonstrate that the “government” held the power. Libya, also, has a national government, and should we conclude, by the fact that it is not loaded with jihadists, that jihadists have no power in Libya? Or, asked another way: there was once a Vichy Regime in France. Are we to conclude, based on the fact that it was not loaded with Nazis, that the French were independent? By the fact that the Iranian government was not loaded with Americans, that the Shah was ruled from Tehran? By the fact that the Polish government of the Warsaw Pact was not loaded with Russians, that Poland was ruled by Poles?

    Why ask such a silly question?

    whatever stupid numbers are promulgated by various BS peddlers

    Maybe it is you that believes “stupid numbers” peddled by the “BS peddlers” that you believe? Or do you have some time portal, that you traveled back in time and witnessed every event, and can state with certainly, which version of history is true? Does it really make sense that the Communists would document every single atrocity they committed, and that these records would survive for decades?

    The fact that Soviet population kept growing

    That hardly proves a thing. It’s a question of growth rate, as well as the accuracy of the various censuses.

    derive their “knowledge” from similar sources.

    No doubt everyone should worship at the feet of Your Holy Majesty and Intake Your Perfect Truth :).

  221. @Israel Shamir

    Next, we’ll hear that the Killing Fields were a hoax as well.

    See the comment 115

    You should see Tuol Sleng.

    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
  222. EugeneGur says:
    @CalDre

    The obvious point is you cannot rely, for numerous reasons, on the ethnicity on the Russian passport in 1917 to prove the ethnicity of the person.

    And I am telling you that you can’t rely on the ethnicity to understand the person’s cultural identity, allegiances, or behavior. Isn’t this even more obvious?

    You don’t want to debate – fine, neither do I. But as a parting gift, let me tell you that the Bolshevik revolution was an event in the Russian history of such an immense significance and proportion involving millions of people and countless nations that all this rant about Jews is beyond stupid.

    Or do you use the “archives provides” argument only when it confirms your bias?

    To properly extract the information from the archives and understand it, a brain is required, yes. But if you don’t believe the information in the archives, you don’t believe any objective data, then you are free to fantasize any way you like. Is that what you prefer?

    • Replies: @CalDre
  223. @utu

    Niall Ferguson broaches one the taboo subject that nobody touched in the US yet, i.e., the rampant and wanton killing of Japanese soldiers who actually wanted to surrender or who has already surrendered.

    I’m quite certain that Charles Lindbergh, as mythoclast, told the truth about that issue and others in his “Wartime Journals,”(https://www.abebooks.com/9780151946259/Wartime-Journals-Charles-A-Lindbergh-0151946256/plp ) and we all know how he is still smeared to this day.

    Also, very few Japanese wanted anything to do with war. A handful of militarists were wantonly goaded into it by the US ruling elite. The whole war was unnecessary and a wanton act of aggression by them.

    For some reason, the hyperlink doesn’t seem to work here…

    • Replies: @utu
  224. utu says:
    @jacques sheete

    From Lindbergh journals:

    http://www.charleslindbergh.com/ny/106.asp

    “I am shocked at the attitude of our American troops. They have no respect for death, the courage of an enemy soldier or many of the ordinary decencies of life. They think nothing whatever of robbing the body of a dead Jap and call him a “son of a bitch” while they do so.”

    “I said during a discussion with American officers that regardless of what the japs did I did not see how we could gain anything or claim that we represented a civilized state if we killed them by torture.”

    And when he traveled in Germany shortly after the Nazi surrender in May 1945, he wrote in his journal. “What the German has done to the Jew in Europe, we are doing to the Jap in the Pacific.”

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/1495651/American-troops-murdered-Japanese-PoWs.html

    Charles Lindbergh, the American aviation pioneer, who toured the Far East visiting United States units. On one occasion he commented to a group of senior officers that very few Japanese seemed to be taken prisoner.

    “Oh, we could take more if we wanted to,” one of the officers replied. “But our boys don’t like to take prisoners.

    “It doesn’t encourage the rest to surrender when they hear of their buddies being marched out on the flying field and machine-guns turned loose on them.”

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  225. ” A handful of militarists were wantonly goaded into it by the US ruling elite. The whole war was unnecessary and a wanton act of aggression by them. ”

    Franklin Roosevelt needed the Japanese attack in order to be able to wage war.
    Lindbergh, by phone on Pearl Harbour day, from the Chairman of America First Committee ‘he (FDR) got us in (the war) through the back door (Japan)’.
    Oil and iron boycott.
    See his diary.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  226. @jacques sheete

    I’ve been there. Not very impressive.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @utu
  227. annamaria says:
    @Robjil

    Agree. We have been living through the Purimfest… Guess, the “chosen” are not aware that their hot preparations for the world domination could reach the temperatures that are incompatible with life.

    A relevant comment on Moon of Alabama: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/10/saudi-embassy-shoots-own-goal-says-al-qaeda-rejects-iran-because-arabs-support-it.html#comments
    No 15: “France, the UK, and the US all suffer from Zionist-occupied government/media complexes, and until that changes all three will continue to act to the detriment of their domestic populations and humanity in general.”

    No 16: “Under Cheney/Bush the MEK [The People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran or the Mojahedin-e Khalq] was put to work in the destruction of “seven countries in five years”.

    Hillary handily moved MEK from the terror list to the friends list.

    https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/

    that-time-hillary-clinton-removed-john-boltons-favorite-terror-cult-from-the-terrorist-list-65e7776c5e2f

    John Bolton addressing A MEK pep rally:
    “I had said for over 10 years since coming to these events, that the declared policy of the United States of America should be the overthrow of the mullahs’ regime in Tehran,” Bolton proclaimed. “The behavior and the objectives of the regime are not going to change, and therefore the only solution is to change the regime itself. And that’s why, before 2019, we here will celebrate in Tehran!”

    Trump’s lawyer Rudolph Giuliani at another MEK event in Paris.
    “The mullahs must go, the ayatollah must go, and they must be replaced by a democratic government which Madam Rajavi represents,” Giuliani said in reference to MEK cult leader Maryam Rajavi, adding, “Freedom is right around the corner … Next year I want to have this convention in Tehran!”

    On the latest protests in Iran, his comments got even creepier:
    “Those protests are not happening spontaneously,” Giuliani said. “They are happening because of many of our people in Albania and many of our people here and throughout out the world.”

    Again, the lawyer for the President of the United States was addressing the MEK terror cult when he said this, and that terror cult has a training compound in Albania.
    Note: Albania is adjacent to Kosovo where the huge US Camp Bondsteel is located.
    Destroying Yugoslavia was apparently useful to “The West.”

    — The genuflection before the Jewish Power by Giuliani, Bolton and Clintons is nauseating, disgusting. They all are miserable opportunists devoid of any dignity.
    As for Cheney the Traitor, zionists simply helped to uncover the darks subhuman essence of this amoral and heartless creature.

  228. annamaria says:

    Educational material on where we are today and why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1354&v=V1VVhrkc4Kg
    “Christopher Bollyn speaking on the topic, “Our Political Crisis: Ending the Twin Deceptions of 9/11 and the Fraudulent War on Terror.” He makes clear that 9/11 and the War on Terror are dual deceptions imposed on our nation by the Israeli/Zionist and Neo-Conservative cabal that controls our government and media. Our nation has suffered under this deception for 15 years. It’s time for us to raise our voices and stop the wars.”

  229. @Ole C G Olesen

    The thing is .. and makes sense .. is the littel appreciated knowledge ..that the British Empire in reality was ..and is .. a Jewish Empire .. just as the US became after 1913 ..and is … It suited these Forces excellently to have Czar Russia Destroyed .. as well as later Central Europe .. This is also the View of George Friedman, the Jew from Stratfor > ” So the primordial Interest of the United States over which for a century we have fought war , the First , the Second and Cold war..has been the Relationship between Germany and Russia , because united theyre the only force that could threaten us and to make sure that doesnt happen ” …his thoughts leaning heavily on the Doctrine formulated by Mackinder , 1904 .in his “The Geographical Pivot of History” . An attempt was made to conquer the European Center by the Bolsheviks ..but it failed ..due to lack of support ..as well as lack of real interest by the Forces governing the West ..and over time the JEWS lost their grip on Power in the Sovjet Space … the Slogans didnt work anymore .. there had been too many Killings .. they were increasingly despised by the native russian and easteuropean Populations ..Then they fled ..back to their brethren in ZIO ANGLOSAXONIA ..with whos help they had succeeded in the first place … and where they are today .. in POWER . The Instrument to control the West has since the 50 ties been their Offspring : Cultural Marxism .. ..and they have been quite succesfull in that venture..which currently includes DESTABILISATIOn by mass invasion from Middle East and Africa ..

  230. CalDre says:
    @EugeneGur

    To properly extract the information from the archives and understand it, a brain is required, yes. But if you don’t believe the information in the archives, you don’t believe any objective data, then you are free to fantasize any way you like. Is that what you prefer?

    You’re blowing smoke, quite disingenuously again. Again, during the Nuremburg trials the lying mass murderer, tyrant and all around POS Stalin kept claiming that he had evidence of the Holohoax. Well it turns out his Red Army built some “gas chambers” after the war in the Eastern camps to frame the Germans – this, actually, is easily proven. Second, supposedly he had these Auschwtiz death books to prove the atrocities. Well Gorbachev released these death books, and they should only a few 10,000s of dead in Auschwitz. Since these are the historical archives, I am asking you, since you claim one must believe there were no greater atrocities committed then those recorded in the archives, does this prove beyond any doubt that the Holocaust is a hoax? Yes or not? And if not, why is it different from the Soviet archives, which you claim disprove greater Communist crimes simply because not all of them are recorded there?

    Indeed, a brain is required. You should check yours, it seems to be leaking all over the floor or down the sink.

    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  231. @Sergey Krieger

    Population statistics for Russian Federation: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9D%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8#%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%A4%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F.

    Plain genocide. Births minus deaths ranged from −687,066 to −958,532 between the years 1993 and 2006. It only recovered to a mere no net loss as late as 2013. 20 straight years of Russian genocide committed by the Anglo-Zionists and their Russian accomplices. Not to mention that there are like 10 million more women than men a legacy of WWII that only worsened after the dissolution of the USSR: http://infotables.ru/statistika/31-rossijskaya-federatsiya/200-sootnoshenie-chislennosti-muzhchin-i-zhenshchin-rossii-v-2010-i-2002-godakh-tablitsa.

    This is like what happens during conquest with men killed and women enslaved. So many Russian women are marrying out now. It’s like ethnic cleansing. And that lasted for as long as two decades.

    By births minus deaths, a net loss of 13,373,900 between 1992 and 2011, nearly 10% of the population in 1992. The actual population of Russia didn’t decrease even half as much presumably due to people moving into Russia proper from other parts of the USSR which were even worse off.

    I’m ever more convinced that the Anglo-Zionist establishment is on a covert campaign to ethnically cleanse Eastern Europeans and East Asians, the two groups most threatening to their quest for world domination. They have already instigated mass media campaigns demonizing “dictators” of both groups for genocide against their own people when it is they who are keen on such genocide.

    The reality with China of course is that the population went from about 475 million in 1949 to about 930 million in 1976, almost doubling, hardly the profile of a genocidal state.

    On this, I was influenced recently by the writings on someone on Reddit, one of whose comments I read was (link)

    I was born in Taiwan in a WSR family and grew up in the West. Growing up, I finally realized that whites intend to do genocide on East Asians and KMT are collaborators in that agenda. Including my own parents — they are traitors and collaborators too.

    After finishing my last degree, due to total disgust with the West and my traitor family, I reverse emigrated and worked in mainland China. It’s been 10 years now.

    The agenda to do genocide against East Asians (starting with Chinese) is very much alive. KMT is a part of the agenda. DPP is part of the agenda. The only people fighting against the agenda are the leftist CPP! Not even the pro-reform rightist faction of CPP. They are a part of the problem.

    For us, the leader against Western imperialism is Chairman Mao!

    Today, we have Chairman Xi, who is doing a pretty good job too. The struggle is real and it is literally a life-or-death struggle for the East Asian race versus the Anglo race. To defend ourselves, we are willing to nuke anybody who gets in our way!

  232. @utu

    Yup.

    If I remember correctly, Lindbergh also described the ghastly deaths suffered by Japanese soldiers who were trapped in caves and subjected to death by flamethrower and how they were buried en masse with sadistic contempt.

    In Vietnam, among other atrocities in a “war” ( demonic slaughter,really, of a long abused population living on the edge), that itself was one huge pile of continuous atrocities, some knocked the gold teeth out of dead VC and wore them, usually, as a necklace. I saw that myself.

  233. @jilles dykstra

    Oil and iron boycott.

    Yup. But it was more of a general economic boycott than just iron and oil.

    Japanese assets in the US were frozen, the Panama Canal was closed to Japanese shipping, Japanese diplomats were routinely ignored, insulted and humiliated too, and the Commies in China were supported among other crimes against freedom committed by the Commie loving FDR. He also betrayed the Japanese, who were allies of the US in WW1.

  234. @Sergey Krieger

    Jews are always rewriting history to suit themselves. They have no objective sense except for: “what is good for the Jews.” That is simply a characteristic of Dualism. It leads to circular reasoning in its relative form and to solipsism in its absolute form. Absolute subjectivity.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  235. @Israel Shamir

    I’ve been there. Not very impressive.

    Maybe not, but instructive to anyone with a brain nevertheless.

    I’ve been there too, and stumbled on the Killing Fields while strolling around Phnom Penh. I was purposely trying to avoid going there but found myself in a park like setting and I was shocked to see bits of clothing and shoes, then bones that were certainly human remains protruding from what were obviously very shallow graves.

    As a result, I tend to believe that the Killing Fields are no hoax. But thanks for your response, it confirms a lot I suspected about you.

    BTW, Your attempt at Defending the Bolsheviks and Soviet Communism is weak as many of the comments indicate. You damn your heroes with weak excuses and expose yourself and your ilk for the transparent truth-twisting tyros you are. That’s why I say this is an excellent article, hope you keep it up, and thank RU for publishing such bilge.

    PS: Almost everyone I’ve ever talked to about the Alamo states disappointment with it too, but it only means that they’re thrill seeking simpletons;the place is not physically imposing, but what it stands for, and the layers of irony it attests to are impressive but probably not for the reasons you’d ever imagine.

  236. utu says:
    @Israel Shamir

    UCLA demographer produces best estimate yet of Cambodia’s death toll under Pol Pot

    http://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/ucla-demographer-produces-best-estimate-yet-of-cambodias-death-toll-under-pol-pot

    The death toll in Cambodia under Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot was most likely between 1.2 million and 2.8 million — or between 13 percent and 30 percent of the country’s population at the time — according to a forthcoming article by a UCLA demographer.

    Working with the Remains in Cambodia: Skeletal Analysis and Human Rights after Atrocity

    https://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.com/&httpsredir=1&article=1411&context=gsp

    Beginning in 1994, DC-Cam launched a ten-year project to locate and map sites of Khmer Rouge atrocities including mass graves, former prisons and security centers, and memorials. At the completion of the project, DC-Cam had identified 19,733 mass graves, 196 former prisons, and eighty-one memorials.

    Forensic Science for Cambodian Justice

    https://www.cmu.edu/chrs/conferences/eppi/docs/IJTJ-2008-Klinkner.pdf

    Statistics from a 2003 epidemiological study with 610 Cambodians show a high percent- age of traumatization, as described in the 2003–2005 report of the Victims of Tor- ture Project. Eighty-one percent of the Cambodians in the study have experienced violence, with 28.4 percent suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder, 11.5 per- cent from mood disorder and 40 percent from anxiety disorder.57 In his book, The Witnesses, Eric Stover refers to a study on political activists that shows ‘36 per- cent of those who had been tortured reported an inability to recall an important aspect of the trauma, whereas only 2 percent of those who had not been tortured reported this symptom.’58 The issue of witness reliability thus could be tested and resolved through forensic science.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  237. In 50 years, if humanity is still around, I wonder who the history books will blame the starvation going on now in Yemen on? The Houthi leaders? The Saudis? Iran? Israel/US?

    I think I know who. Just something to think about. Might tell you about how things worked in the past also. If we’re doing it now, no doubt we would have done it then too.

    Same as the way the western media describes to us the situation in Syria, calling it a civil war, Syrians fighting for freedom from a horrible dictator, but it isn’t, it is foreign mercenaries from all over the globe, Saudi, UAE, many more, that are there committing horrible war crimes, being funded by US, UK, France, many many more. But you would never know it listening to our media here. I wonder what the history books will say about that?

  238. @utu

    Why bother? He’s “not impressed,” which comes as no surprise since the only thing that impresses such mouthy, ignorant punks is their utterly insignificant selves.

  239. @Sergey Krieger

    A table I made to illustrate West’s genocide of Russians following dissolution of Soviet Union. Part of an article I submitted on Chinese media on how there is a covert Anglo-Zion agenda to ethnically cleanse East Asians and East Europeans.

    The columns are population on 1/1, live births, deaths, and natural change.

    Now the question is will history eventually cleanse the Anglo-Zions in return. Many people on here are pessimistic about Anglo-Zion prospects out of demographic reasons but what matters ultimately is who the rulers are. The implication is of course that the Anglo-Zions can still rule without being the majority, they can manipulate others to do their dirty work.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  240. Anonymous[316] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Interesting to note that when the Soviets sold off the family jewels, including Russia’s ancient occult and magical manuscripts one of the biggest buyers was the Soros foundation.

  241. China has successfully produced its own version of socialism much inspired by the Soviet Union. The USSR, while ultimately a failed state, had its share of glory and transformed the world, much for the better I believe. As far as I can tell, people in China still have high regard for it, and for Stalin as well. I still remember reading stories about Lenin in Chinese primary school books. I shall translate a Chinese poem extolling the USSR’s historical place to English now, having already done so (probably not very well) to Russian.

    苏联的伟大千年难遇。
    The greatness of the Soviet Union, rare in millennia
    如超新星爆发,短促壮丽,孕育新生。
    Like a supernova explosion, fleeting magnificence, replete with offspring
    可比西方历史上的马其顿帝国。
    Comparable with the Macedonian Empire in Western history
    可比东方历史上的秦帝国。
    Comparable with the Qin Empire in Eastern history
    共产革命,击毙纳粹,计划经济,中国工业化原始积累,这是四大苏联伟业。
    Communist revolution, shooting of Nazis, planned economy, original accumulation of Chinese industrialization, these are the four great achievements of the Soviet Union
    就如马其顿带来的希腊化和东西方交流,或如秦朝带来的大一统观念,将深远地影响人类千年。
    Like the Hellenization and exchange between East and West brought forth by the Macedonian Empire, or like the concept of great unity of the Qin Dynasty, will profoundly influence humanity for millennia
    苏联亡了。
    The Soviet Union is dead
    自以为是的冷战胜利者狂欢二十年而已。
    The Cold War victor self-righteous cheers two decades and no more
    现在苏联播下的星火已经燎原。
    Now the spark of the Soviet Union has ignited a prairie fire
    资本主义的癌症,地球的蛊王—中共文明正在冉冉升起。
    The cancer of capitalism, the emperor of the earth – Chinese communist civilization gradually rises
    正如马其顿后的罗马,正如大秦后的大汉。
    Like Rome after Macedonia, like the Great Han after the Great Qin

    This guy also compared Stalin to Alexander the Great. He also thinks that Chinese communist civilization will unleash a new chapter in world history. He even wrote that US raised Chinese loyal to that cause might have a place in that.

    He’s clearly pretty fucking smart and thoughtful and wrote at least a few really perceptive answers about religion as well. Yes, he is kinda weird, but intellectuals in China who think like him aren’t rare. They may even be somewhat the norm.

    I have to say that Chinese communists make some pretty good music and film too. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGwWE37TYns&t=43m23s.
    And https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGwWE37TYns&t=5s.

    This is from a TV series about a Chinese communist who spent 18 years undercover within the KMT from 1927 on after the communist purge within the KMT. It was first produced in 1981 and the above links to an episode from an extended version produced in 2008.

    Yes, I’ve written on my blog that the American media stereotype about Chinese being docile and deferential to authority doesn’t really hold water. At least not in China, where there is arguably the richest revolutionary history and tradition of the 20th century, a product of a combination of the Chinese collective temperament and national circumstances. I told a Chinese Chinese Harvard humanities PhD student about how this would be met with a reaction of bewilderment from your average clueless college educated America, and he was like, why? And I was like, lol (because America is brainwashed beyond belief).

  242. @ploni almoni

    The idea of objective history is a western idea.
    E. – F. Gautier, ‘Le Passé de l’Afrique du Nord’, 1937, 1952, Paris (The history of north Africa) makes it quite clear that in the Middle East our idea of objective history did not exist, with one exception, Ibn Chaldoun.
    Felipe Fernández-Armesto, ‘Truth, A History and a Guide for the Perplexed’, New York 1997
    The development of the idea of truth in history.
    The catholic church also still has the old idea of truth, truth is what the leader says.
    At present in the Netherlands politicians worry about Dutch with a Turkish migration background.
    They, what part, I do not know, still see themselves as Erdogan subjects.
    Similar clash of ideologies.
    In the west, nation is connected with a geographical area, in the ME nation is a group with the same ideology.
    This explains why some jews state ‘we always have been a nation’.
    This nation idea, and not accepting that there is a objective history, in my opinion explains much of the difficulty of discussing with jews.
    ‘We know a lot for which there is no proof’, a jewish holocaust historian.

  243. @jacques sheete

    Someth May, ´Cambodian Witness, The autobiography of Someth May, edited and with an introduction by James Fenton, London 1986
    One of the most horrible books I ever read.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  244. @jacques sheete

    BTW, Your attempt at Defending the Bolsheviks and Soviet Communism is weak as many of the comments indicate. You damn your heroes with weak excuses and expose yourself and your ilk for the transparent truth-twisting tyros you are. That’s why I say this is an excellent article, hope you keep it up, and thank RU for publishing such bilge.

    Thanks brother JS for posting such an excellent rebuttal. In the end, they all expose themselves, the wolf they are.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  245. @gmachine1729

    I disagree that USSR was a failed state. it was failed elites situation or generational gap so to speak. i also disagree that China is a socialist state. China is capitalistic state run by supposed Communists who are actually not communists at all. To be quite frank, China failed as Socialist state and was unable to achieve on Socialist path what USSR was capable of, but fortunately later Chinese elites appeared of better quality than later Soviet elites.

  246. @jilles dykstra

    One of the most horrible books I ever read.

    If you mean it describes horrors, that would be the reason I had no desire to actually see the place. Who needs to wallow in that sort of thing? The attempted whitewash, here, of Red crimes is nearly as repulsive.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  247. @Jeffery Cohen

    And I thank you for your excellent comment.

  248. @Sergey Krieger

    I disagree that USSR was a failed state.

    It depends on what one means by the term. In my opinion it’s redundant in that all states are “failed” to one degree or another and sooner rather than later at least from the point of view of some. That goes for the vast majority if not all institutions in fact.

    A big problem with organizations such as states, religious institutions, corporations and schools is that they represent concentrations of power and no man is worthy or capable, for long, of acting responsibly with said power. Worse, such entities tend to attract the goofiest among us to positions of power.

    Once again, there is no Messiah, individual, institutional or otherwise. It’s all a continuous struggle and no institution is gonna do for you what you need to do for yourself. To hope otherwise is either infantile or narcissistic or both. Futile, too, and if ya don’t enjoy the struggle, yer toast.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  249. @gmachine1729

    Thank you for the beautiful poem! I’ll share it with my Russian readers!

    • Replies: @gmachine1729
  250. My friend and Unz reader Felix asked me to post a few links answering some of your questions.
    (1) February Revolution

    https://yadi.sk/mail?hash=qHIhZQWdAHJ9wuuY07wz1jZ%2BeTKjigH8PJ1MFarFi4gzKv6EzMy5ozKlgTLMj4aTq%2FJ6bpmRyOJonT3VoXnDag%3D%3D

    Voice – Max Eastman.
    Faces of February revolution.
    ATTENTION. When people heard word “Soviet” they think about bolsheviks/USSR. It’s wrong.
    a) Petrograd Soviet of Workers’ and Soldiers’ Deputies – Petrosoviet or Soviet was established in March 1917 during February revolution.
    b) Red flag – flag of the revolution but not bolshevik flag. Bolshevik flag was red with hammer-and-sicle and star.
    (2) October Revolution

    https://yadi.sk/mail?hash=RW3DafPYZOGAcS%2FFtKUzOz7m%2FPHEOOD3Sy6LIGJXtexYMqWJaVbrWzHmwn8Liq8%2Fq%2FJ6bpmRyOJonT3VoXnDag%3D%3D

    Voice – Max Eastman.
    (3) Zemskov – the story

    https://yadi.sk/mail?hash=LoE0g7Gtmgbhlor90foa%2FroqUK9S4x1OU1HTkmhFVk1Y1lwHwi1s83QHjrVsix9Fq%2FJ6bpmRyOJonT3VoXnDag%3D%3D

    I hope it will help those who wants to understand discussed events.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  251. Feliks says:
    @Ole C G Olesen

    Sir, I hope you personally was confirmed by Mr. Schiff’s son.
    Can you explain me please what for Mr. Schiff or Mr. Rothschild transfer money to the Bolsheviks? You have “copy of a Money transfer from Rotschild”. By the way who the ….… is Rotschild? :)

  252. utu says:
    @Ole C G Olesen

    I have in my possession a copy of a Money transfer from Rotschild to the Bolsheviks
    The Money was transferred via a small Danish Bank in a suburb , Frederiksberg of Copenhagen to St Petersburg

    I have also been informed that there were many more transferals of money and that these besides the danish transferals via Cipenhagen were transferred via Haparanda , the Border city between Sweden and Finland

    Very interesting. Could you expand on it and post the copy of the money transfer?

  253. @jacques sheete

    It failed in producing consumer goods.
    A centrally controlled economy is unable to to that, China saw this more or less in time.
    Just the profit motive is able to produce those goods, and at the right time, that people want.

    • Replies: @Sergey Kriger
  254. EugeneGur says:
    @CalDre

    Oh, sorry, I didn’t realize you were one of those – “poor innocent Germans were framed by evil Soviets, Holocaust never happened, and the Germans never hurt a fly” – people. Have a nice day.

    • Agree: Cyrano
    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @CalDre
  255. Macs says:
    @EugeneGur

    Socialism has been brutal, capitalism has been brutal. Maybe any form of government has the potential for abuse?

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @EugeneGur
  256. annamaria says:
    @Israel Shamir

    After the February (March) phase of the revolution, there was the October (November) Bolshevik terrorist revolution which leaders had dissolved the very first democratic institution in Russia, the National Assembly. “They” knew better, as always.

    https://diversitymachtfrei.wordpress.com/2018/07/09/jews-are-still-gloating-about-murdering-the-tsars-children/

  257. @jilles dykstra

    Westerners are way too much concerned with consumer goods. As eugengur posted here it was a project to storm heavens . To reach higher human development level. This first attempt failed due to human factor and obvious lack of check and balances at the very top. But those who think it is dead are wrong. Capitalism cannot take humanity to higher level. It is only destroying and poisoning . It had fulfilled what all positive things it was supposed to do and developing this consumerism society is not exactly achievement I would be proud of.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  258. @Sergey Krieger

    What I meant by “failed state” is that the USSR experienced a failed elites situational or generational at the end. Overall, the USSR had been spectacularly successful.

    China now can be crudely characterized as a mixed economy with the government institutions and corporations playing the more prominent role. China was definitely overall quite successful when it was a pure socialist state as well, and of course, the transition to mixed economy was for the most part smooth and quite successful.

  259. Mike P says:
    @EugeneGur

    This is so stupid that it does not even qualify as trolling.

  260. @Feliks

    “Roth” is how Germans used to spell “rot”, meaning red.

    • Replies: @Feliks
  261. @Feliks

    The reason for Schiff’s funding of the Bolsheviks was very simple. He had a psychotic hatred of Orthodox Christianity and the Russian Tsar, very common with Jews at that time, because this was, for them, the essence of the Goyim. Jewish immigrants to America would scream “Death to the Tsar” when they arrived in Ellis Island. Hatred, pure and simple. There were cards in America (illegal in Russia) which showed the Yom Kippur chicken sacrifice which is waved above the head three times with the face of the Tsar. Not because he had done anything to deserve this. It is simple racial hatred concentrated on a person. Schiff got what he wanted from his investment and made a profit. The Bolsheviks paid back their benefactors with percent by robbing the rich. They all, including Lenin, had huge bank accounts in Switzerland. They, and the Bankers, were gangsters. Criminals.

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @Feliks
  262. @Sergey Krieger

    What do you think of Iosif Kobzon? I remember how this Ukrainian professor was like, “oh, everybody hates Kobzon.” And “you know cuz he’s not even Russian, he’s Jewish, yet he’s super pro-government. he’s ridiculous.”

    Andrei Martyanov, I’d also be interested to hear what you think.

    I’ll say that I’ve had a former Soviet make fun of me for my knowledge of Soviet red music. The new form of political correctness.

    My Russian friend did also said yes, and laughed, after I asked him if I actually know more of those songs than the typical Russian Russian who grew up post USSR.

    I don’t know why, after first exposure final year of college, I was like, “more more more.” I consider it as good taste (and care increasingly less what others, especially Americans and liberals, would think).

    I’ll do my share to fight against American liberal cultural genocide of the great Soviet heritage.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  263. Miro23 says:
    @ploni almoni

    The Bolsheviks leadership were well known for adopting the high life of the Russian aristocracy (check Slezkine’s “The Jewish Century”).

    Here’s Lenin in one of his various Rolls Royce’s. A Silver Ghost purchased in London on 11th July 1922.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
    , @Feliks
  264. CalDre says:
    @gmachine1729

    So Russians choosing not to reproduce is Western genocide? LOL, was it microwaves that controlled them from the skies?

    Have you checked how many abortions were performed in those years? Were those due to microwaves from the sky too?

    You want to argue it was due to poverty – well, the poorest countries on the planet have actually the highest birth rates.

    Everything is the fault of the AngloZionists, I suppose alcoholism is also the West’s fault.

    LOL.

    BTW China has decreasing population due to its 1-child policy. West’s fault, right? Japan reduced population – yup, that’s my fault, I did it.

    Also many European countries have steady or declining popluations – West’s fault too.

    It’s interesting, people in the West notice the population decline too and blame it on, well, many on cultural Marxism. Which is also the cause in USSR and China.

    Yes, Communist ideology is always the cause. And what group is behind that? Oh, well, according to Israel, it’s the … Russians! So you have your answer!

    • Replies: @gmachine1729
  265. @jacques sheete

    It shows what human beings are capable of, doing to one another.
    Wallowing, I just was curious about what happened.
    As to the why
    Anthony Grey, ‘Saigon, Een grootse roman over Vietnam in de periode 1925 – 1975′, Amsterdam 1987
    French behaviour as described, horrible.
    George Orwell, Burmese Days, according to this book British behaviour was far better.

  266. CalDre says:
    @EugeneGur

    In point of fact, I never claimed Germans were poor and innocent (though in large part they were, much as Russians were in large part victims of their oppressors), or that Germans never hurt a fly – I only doubted the death camps (Germans did kill lots of Jews, but not as many as Jews killed Germans, or Jews killed Russians for that matter).

    Now, the truth is, you, and comrade Communist/Bolshevik apologist extraordinaire Israel Shamir, who despite professing to be a Christian works fulltime to try to exculpate Jews for their crimes against humanity (are you also a Jew?), are, in fact, of that opinion: “poor innocent Bolsheviks and Stalinists were framed by the evil West, gulags never happened, Red Terror never happened, purges never happened, confiscations never happened, nobody was ever harmed or killed, or even a hair pulled out, by any Communist, ever”. Can we go so far as to say, the Tsar is still alive, living on a tropical island?

    Yes, we can spot apologists for pure evil when we see them.

  267. CalDre says:
    @Sergey Kriger

    and developing this consumerism society is not exactly achievement I would be proud of

    Nobody stops you from moving to Siberia and living a spiritual life. But wait, here you are, every day on the internet, consuming, consuming, consuming.

    I am not a fan of consumerism either, but it is neither a necessary aspect of capitalism, nor is a Communist system exempt from it.

    In fact, it is Marxism, which its renunciation of idealism and spiritualism, and it’s fixation on materialism, that more than anything gave rise to a consumerist economy. If there is no religion, or spirituality, there is only material satisfaction.

    While I share some adoration for Marx’s version of communism (lower “c”), with the fisherman/painter, let’s be clear, the Communism which was pushed – that from the Communist Manifestor – is the same Communism from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion (the book you refuse to read, since, it would provide too much knowledge you can’t handle), and is an utterly destructive, malignant and nefarious ideology of death, oppression, destruction and misery. What happened was no mistake. What happened was by design. Read the Protocols, it’s all laid out, plain as sight, and written long before it ever happened.

    Marx was right about capitalism, eventually it will end itself. At the point that AI and robots can produce anything better than a human can, which IMO is not more than 50 years away, shoudl humanity survive that long. At that point, communism (in Marx’s sense! Heaven forbid, not! in the Engels/Protocols sense!) is a good solution, in that these robots and AI should belong to everyone (NOT! to any fucking vanguard, esp. NOT to any vanguard of Jews).

    In fact the future “vanguard” of Jews running all of these robots and AI is precisely what Jews are working toward. You’d have to be almost blind (brainwashed) not to see it.

  268. Feliks says:
    @RadicalCenter

    I see. Especially on money-transfer documents :) when they transfer money to Bolsheviks.

  269. Feliks says:
    @ploni almoni

    Schiff in 1914 founded the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee (JDC or “Joint”). Joint distribute funds for support the Jewish populations of eastern Europe during World War I. So Schiff (JDC) transfer money to Russia in 1914 – Poland, Belarus, Ukraine (territory of Russian Empire). No secrets.

    Let’s pretend your story is right. Schiff was a fool? Why Schiff bet on the weakest unpowerful party in Russia? For example, soldiers and peasants was under Social Revolutionaries SR (Эсеры) control. Not the Bolsheviks overthrew the Tsar. The Petrograd Soviet was ruled by the Social Revolutionaries, the Cadets, and so on.

    For your attention. The revolution in February 1917 was organized and carried out by the bourgeoisie, industrial capital, generals and elite priests. Tsar was arrested by the chief of his headquarters General Alekseev. The Queen and the children were arrested by gen. Kornilov. The new bourgeois government sent the Tsar and his family to prison (silka) in Siberia

    P.S. And how you can prove that Tsar was shooted? “No body no deal”. ;)

    • Replies: @CalDre
    , @ploni almoni
  270. Seriously? Are we to believe the USSR was a workers paradise, and that a centrally planned economy didn’t require coercion and a pile of bodies. I suppose Red China and Cambodia were Disney like experiences too. And this conclusion is to be drawn from hearsay from a Soros goon? And nothing like a whole list of references in Russian with no way or no logic to back it up.

    Nope, I think Mr. Unz is much closer to the truth.

    Alexander Solzhenitsyn would be spinning in his grave.

  271. EugeneGur says:
    @Macs

    Maybe any form of government has the potential for abuse?

    No doubt about that. A government is by definition is an instrument of suppression. The question is only of how much and in what form.

    What I object to is the use of the brutality argument specifically against the Soviet system. It is presented as if that was an exclusive feature of that system that makes it entirely repulsive and unacceptable, as opposed to “normal” capitalism, which is all white and fluffy. In reality, if you violence compare quantitatively, the Soviet system is way behind, say, the Germany, US or the UK. That’s my only point.

  272. CalDre says:
    @Feliks

    Why Schiff bet on the weakest unpowerful party in Russia?

    Read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and you don’t have to ask so many silly questions. The reason the Bolsheviks murdered anyone who had a copy of the Protocols – and that the Nazis published them widely – is precisely because they explain the whole rather messy affair rather perfectly.

    P.S. And how you can prove that Tsar was shooted?

    Now this one I know was in the Archives – with Lenin’s signature.

    By the way, those going on and on about the Archives: is this article, which claims Putin kept the archive of Soviet secret police forces and spy agencies from 1917-1991 closed until 2044, true? Why would it be necessary, say, to seal the archives from 1917-1945? Surely everyone mentioned in them is now dead? Also this story, which claims the entire Soviet archives were never completely opened or opened at all, and some that were had been re-secretized?

    So if the claim is that not more atrocities were committed because some archives don’t show it, where is the proof all archives were opened? And whose word do we have that the opened archives don’t contain more evidence, that the author (say, a Communist) chose not to publish?

    I find this effort to prove lack of atrocities on alleged lack of evidence quite disingenuous, as it is well know criminals do not always document all of their crimes for posterity, particularly back in those days, when record-keeping was more burdensome than it is today. But let’s compare, say, the Chechen Wars. Is every death of Chechens documented in the archives? Demographic studies indicate about 1/3rd of all Chechens were killed for their audacity to seek independence from a country they never wanted to join, but were forced to join, and remain in, at gunpoint.

    Archives, archives ….

    • Replies: @Feliks
  273. Feliks says:
    @Bruno

    Sorry, but I could not read all those nonsense. But what immediately struck me. Smidovich from the family of nobles, he is automatically excludes from the list of Jews. Uritsky died (killed) in 1918. Sverdlov died in 1919. What they doing on the list 1920? Government all the time were elected at congresses by congress delegates. At the 9th Congress, it was decided to create a standing political committee – Lenin, Stalin. Krestinskiy, Kamenev, Trockiy, Serebrakov, Beloborodov, Stasova. Here is two people – Jewish. Unfortunately, I do not know how to place here a picture with information about the congress.

  274. In 1965 I was in Prague.
    Worker’s paradise, the only things in shop windows: records.
    Overcoats, plastic raincoats.
    Food in our hotel, horrible.
    If I ever saw a pessimistic atmosphere, it was there.
    An old man, he spoke a little German, showed me his pre war car, the roof rusted through, with a sad smile.
    Getting in an out of the country, as if one tried to enter and leave Alcatraz.
    On the way back from Prague I managed to get the seat next tot driver, we left in the dark.
    Hardly any street lights, when crossing a village square the driver and I tried to find where in the pitch dark the the road continued.

  275. @gmachine1729

    Frankly I have no clue. I stopped listening to Soviet/ Russian music in late 80′s and stopped watching Soviet Russian TV and films around that time. Especially I have never paid attention to all those culture figure neither in Soviet times and especially now. I heard that Kobson turned some very wealthy businessman and he did some favors to many people, that he was sort of mafioso, but I do not know and not interested. DSuring Brezhnev times Kobzon due to his excellent vocal and excellent song written for him was a sight to behold obviously. I loved our Soviet music, films and I was completely satisfied. I occasionally have a look at what my wife who is 10 years younger watches or listens to. Even she says that modern Russian music is low quality, all clones and without any substance. I had a peek at Some Russian films shown on TV and adds of new films where usually Soviet past is being smeared in the worst possible way and it only make me more confident in my absolute dislike towards current capitalistic regime, whose goal seems to completely lobotomize the population , so that they keep stolen form the said population wealth.

    Here one of those songs which went to my heart when I was still a little boy and which I loved and still love.

    Now , Russian TV looks like Satan’s preserve.

    I wonder, can the country where such songs were sung be evil?

    • Replies: @Feliks
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
  276. @Miro23

    You are full of it. Would you like for the head of the Soviet government and state to ride donkey or walk by foot?

    I know of one who started riding buses along with gulible people liking it and we all know how that ended. I am talking Yeltsin. first check what laws for people well being were implemented under Vladimir Iliich Lenin… All that lead to working people rights evevated to the highest priority of the state. When Yeltsin and then Putin became presidents all this was dismantled.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  277. Feliks says:
    @Miro23

    I love fairy tales too but it have to be some limit. ;)
    Dear Sir those cars from the Royal garage! Garage Nikolas II. After Tsar, Kerensky, members of the Provisional Bourgeois Government, Petrosoviet and others used cars. Then garage moved to the Bolsheviks. Its logical.

  278. Feliks says:
    @CalDre

    Read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion

    Thanks, I don’t like sectarian literature or tales.

    Now this one I know was in the Archives – with Lenin’s signature.

    Aha! Also there copy of money transfer (Schiff to Lenin) :)

    Putin kept the archive of Soviet secret police

    What the ….. is “secret police”? USSR hasn’t police and plus-secret.
    By the way, you can contact the archives of Britain, Germany – there telegrams (1918 and go on) about the Royal family.
    The new German government negotiated with Soviet government issues about transfer Royal family to Germany.
    Good luck.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  279. CalDre says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    All that lead to working people rights evevated to the highest priority of the state.

    And the winner of Comedy of the Year!

    When I hear such absurd glorification of Communism, it makes me want to laud Nazism, which was far better than Communism, merely to balance out the disinformation.

    Yet, I am not so evil to do that. To laud Communism, at least through the Bolshevik and Stalinist eras, you must be truly, profoundly, unreservedly, evil.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  280. CalDre says:
    @Feliks

    Thanks, I don’t like sectarian literature or tales.

    Communists are all alike, never want anything to do with truth or where their diseased, anti-human, ugly ideology comes from. Instead they want to lie about it without bounds, trying to convert the worst form of tyranny ever in human history to something grandiose. And above all they love being ignorant (how else could one be a Communist?).

    Really, there should be a law that those espousing Communism go to jail hard labor for 10 years in Siberia. Then, at least, you die-hard Communists can have the sort of government you love!

    Also there copy of money transfer (Schiff to Lenin)

    I don’t know if you are being sarcastic or are just utterly stupid, you tell me, but do some research on Lenin’s “Sealed Train”. There is overwhelming evidence for this money transfer.

    Of course, nobody transferred money internationally by wire back then – SWIFT system came later. Again, not sure if you are being sarcastic or are just utterly stupid.

    USSR hasn’t police and plus-secret.

    LOL, that’s all you got?

    • Replies: @Feliks
  281. Sam J. says:

    I of course don’t believe a word of this article.

    This sort of wholesale lying is frequently done by the Jews. Even if he’s not lying the Jews reputation means you shouldn’t believe a word of it. The readers here have offered several documents that prove different. Here’s another interesting fact that just proves the Jews lie constantly.

    The largest funding of the Bolsheviks on Wall Street came from…(((Jacob Schiff))). Now it seems they want to cover it up. An interesting fact about this is here’s a picture of Jacob Schiff who was said to have died in 1920 and also here’s pictures of him with Lenin in 1923.

    Jacob Schiff

    https://web.archive.org/web/20171004160457/https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/photo/1923/007.htm

    https://web.archive.org/web/20161115071202/http://rarehistoricalphotos.com:80/vladimir-lenin-last-photo-1923/

    See that look in Lenins eyes. I suspect during his last stroke he saw hell and knew where he was going.

    • Replies: @Feliks
  282. @CalDre

    Population was growing at a good pace during USSR days. Then it started decreasing post USSR, presumably due to economic difficulties. Everybody knows that population growth goes down, and in some cases to the negative direction, during times of war and economic hardship. Russia is not people saturated like East Asia or Western Europe, it’s very sparsely populated even when one discounts its uninhabitable parts. Also, China’s population has not decreased yet in spite of the one child policy.

    As for Africa’s population explosion, I won’t comment on that. Obviously quite an inappropriate comparison.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  283. @CalDre

    What do you know? Stick to subjects you at least have some personal experience. I lived there and need no input from such as you.

    • Replies: @gmachine1729
    , @CalDre
  284. Feliks says:
    @CalDre

    It’s getting boring.
    Sir, bad manners prove your weakness and absolute incompetence. No facts, arguments and only emotion :)
    You (illiterate people) have nothing …. exept to raise one more falshe flag. LOL
    P.S. “Learn…. learn and study” as says great Lenin.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  285. @Sergey Krieger

    记得你还去过中国?还学过中文?

    What do you think of Mongols by the way, in particular their conquest of Kievan Rus’ and other parts of Eastern Europe? So Russians are not white, they’re Asiatic. They have Mongol and Tatar blood in their veins from the paternal line?

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  286. Feliks says:

    Сергей, каким образом вы в пост ставите картинки и даже видео.
    Научите, пожалуйста!
    Заранее благодарю.

  287. Feliks says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Sergey, can you please explain how you post video and pictures.

    Thanks in advance.

  288. CalDre says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    You lived during Stalin’s reign?

    Of course, there are many people who live now, during Israel’s reign, who will say Netanyahu is a great, peaceful leader. What government would you say nobody would give an endorsement to in history? And from that, should one conclude, that all governments are great and virtuous?

    And with all your animus toward the Anglo Saxons, is it not possible to find billions who approve of their rule?

  289. Feliks says:
    @Sam J.

    I of course don’t believe a word of this article.
    The readers here have offered several documents that prove different.

    Yeah! Can you do me a favor… just say № of post that prove different.
    Thanks.

  290. CalDre says:
    @gmachine1729

    presumably due to economic difficulties

    That may certainly be a factor, but look at your table above at population decline. It shows the large birth deficits were from 1993-2000, in the range of about 750,000 per year.

    Now look at this abortion table for abortions in Russia, you will see during those periods there were 3-4 MILLION abortions per year.

    Sure it is possible to blame the West for the collapse of Communism, but, hardly fair. Communism failed because it was a bad system.

    In any event, it can be clearly seen that the population decline was due to Russia legalizing abortion and women availing themselves of it. Abortion is more of a Communist “right” than a Christian one, wouldn’t you agree?

    Now you go blaming the decline on “West’s genocide of Russians following dissolution of Soviet Union”. But rather the evidence shows it was Russian women, and Russian “doctors”, committing that “genocide”.

    As to your “economic hardship” claim, again, that was due to collapse of Communism and of course your drunken President Yeltsin and him handing all of Russia’s wealth to … (sorry Israel) a small handful of Jews (history repeat itself, doesn’t it?). Were there any Americans or British in the Russian government? By Israel’s argument above, only those ethnicities actually in the government have any power over it – do you now disagree with that statement?

    Populations decrease during economic hardship, yes, but by that, hardship to the point of famine. Russia never got to that point. People in India are far poorer than Russians ever were in the 90s, yet they have 6 children per family and their population has never stopped growing (if you don’t want to compare to Africans, Indians are also Caucasians). Also, I would bet you anything that Russians in the 1700s and 1800s were poorer than Russians in the 1990s – yet, again, they did not have millions of abortions or use birth control.

    But sure, it’s the “West’s” fault. It’s my fault. Russians, and esp. Russian Jews, had nothing to do with it. LOL.

    • Replies: @Fatima Manoubia
  291. CalDre says:
    @Feliks

    Granted, I got a bit rhetorical track on that comment. But there is one fundamental point to the comment: your refusal to read the Protocols (which I find to be the case with basically all Communists) betrays your interest in truth.

    As to the rest of your post, it’s even worse than mine was.

    And by writing “great Lenin”, though, you have proven to me that you are my mortal enemy. So it’s a great time to end the discussion.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  292. @gmachine1729

    I am too old for that. Got 2 small kids too. I would love to go to China though. But on trip. I think mongols rise was truly like a strike of thunderbolt. Who could expect that from such a backwater. I also think mongols were very lucky as level of overall military was much lower than in antiquity. Basically while I am not diminishing mongols achievements but they hardly had serious competition at the time. China while developed and wealthy was weak in military department already halved in size by zhurzhen and kidan. Russia was disunited. I think there is obviously some Asian DNA in Russia but that’s greatly exaggerated. I wonder if there were genetically studies on this subject. Russians are obviously white. The main difference imho comes from the fact that Russia accepted christianity from konstantinopol not from Rome. Russia spreading into Asia was later development of later 16 century and later. Vast majority of the population was always located in European part. Russian location climate and history with eastern tribes have played role in national character formation, but Russians by culture and ethnicity are white people.

    • Replies: @gmachine1729
  293. @CalDre

    I wonder if you are aware that protocols were written by Russian police. It is similar piece of crap as Shiff financing Lenin.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  294. @jilles dykstra

    I happen to have known Dutch who were in Japanese concentration camps in what later was Indonesia.

    Fun fact. After the war there was an anti-colonial revolutionary movement amongst the native Indonesians and the insurgents would massacre the Dutch colonists. See
    Indonesian National Revolution.

    The Dutch in the Japanese camps stayed in the camps after the war ended because the native Indonesians would slaughter the Dutch colonists if they got their hands on them.

    My Experiences in Japanese Concentration Camps on Java, Indonesia

    When the gate was opened there was a crowd of local Indonesian people to welcome us.
    I was adopted by an Indonesian couple. They gave me extra food and I could have a shower every day.

    However after a couple of weeks the Muslim Militia was infiltrating the area. They were forcing the Indonesian population to stop helping us.

    It became very dangerous to leave the camp. Many people who did were kidnapped and murdered. The Japanese were ordered to protect us.

    The Japanese under the command of Major KIDO fought shoulder to shoulder with the British against the Indonesian uprising. The seven camps in and around Ambarawa were attacked by thousands of Idonesian rebels which prevented any food transport.

    1945 the Indonesian rebels broke through the camp perimeter and herded the camp inmates with their arms above their heads, to the central area where they started shooting and throwing hand grenades into the crowd. A lot of people were killed or wounded but miraculously my family and I survived this attack without a scratch.

  295. Thanks a lot for this article, Mr. Shamir.

    I always knew that a man who was part of a team who gave the working masses of people all the rights and wellfare measures ( some of which, reluctantly by the dirigent class, still pervive at least in Western Europe, and which keep us from becoming slaves again ) could not be such a monster that not only the West, and especially the US, has painted, but also the current Russian government.
    Simply, that does not fit with any psychologic or psichiatric patron.

    I hope this article, and the testimony of the Memorial responsible, most probably leaked at his deathbed, shuts up, once for all, all the big mouthes out there, surely on oligarchs payments, who are all they praising, and giving the category of Bible, to all the nonsense written by that anti-communist foreign agent ( why he flew directly to the US and not to Switzerland, for example…?) and known nazi sympathizer who was Solzhenytsin ( and not only they, but also the current Russian authorities who gave him credibility so as to strenghten the capitalist robery currently on display there for already 20 years…), like, The Saker.

    You tell me, how a man who braggs all day of being such an “intelligent analyst” and “perfect Christian” so willingly ignores these data and continues spreading, ( even as of today through his “Directror fo Research”…..), plain gross lies about Communism…no wonder he asks not only for money, in an exercise of chuztpah worth the world champion stone-faced person, but also for prayers…but no ammount of prayer will save him after serving so willingly the evil ( oligarchs ) in this world…From my life experience, it is the people who most uses churches, talks all day about religion, and assure to be praying all day those who have committed more evilness through their lives…It is not that they feel guilty, no, that´s not the issue, it is that they fear not going to have the great life they have had here by serving the rich of this world in the afterlife world, and so think that by praying and going to church, while continue doing evil, they will assure a place amongst the priviledged too in the other life….Just they consider God as a powerful person whom they can flatter by praying while continue doing the same of always…. as they do with the powerful on Earth….

    But that will not wash with God, in case he exists, He is supposedly watching….and Stalin too….and waiting for you there up…..

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  296. Feliks says:

    @CalDre

    Sorry to disappoint you, but Protocols are not a document. Its prose, literature. No matter they written by the elders of Zion or some sectarians or just bored clowns.
    In any case to mention the Bolsheviks/USSR in the context of this protocols – is absurd.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  297. “Communism is Christianity minus God”

    Amen.

    You get out the authoritarian figure, placed over the good or evil by spurious interests out there to cement their wished authoritarian rule, and you have the message of Jesus being put in practice all the way.

    Why those supposed perfect Christians, like The Saker or Pat Lang, then go to such efforts, through all their lives, in combating and erradicating Communism, even to wipe out communists, no mind the means, one wonders…..

    To be a good Christian you have to demonstrate it by your deeds, especially following the “10 Commandements” you affirm to fullfill, and what you say, not enough with elbowing yourself to the higuest hierarchies of the so called “Church” institution….or wearing ancient crusade decorations and costumes….Having a high hierarch of the so called “Church” institution as a tuthor/mentor, only because you are of arithocratic origins, is not enough either….That does not make a saint of you….as did not make a saint of the last Tsar….

  298. Notice, in the photo illustrating Appendix A, two women in the front row of the Bolshevik leadership, a guarantee that the voice, claims, interests and rights of women were taken into account, and from that have derived what of women rights we have had and still conserve today, at least in Western Europe….

    Compare it with the level the current Trump administration is placing women at, directly at subsoil ( no wonder FLOTUS Melania has been conveniently sent in travel to Africa!!, so as to avoid her being asked about her thoughts on Kavanaugh nomination as a woman… ), and you have why The Donald could not but voice his demonization of Communism, and its first stage, Socialism, even at the very UNGA….

    • Replies: @CalDre
  299. @Fatima Manoubia

    Could not have said it better. And bingo about Saker.

  300. @Sergey Krieger

    Indeed, Sergey,

    Every picture or video dating those years shows Soviet healthy, strong, happy, proud people, decently dressed and equiped, what other way could be when they had guaranteed housing, job, high standard health care and education, and well reguled work hours, holidays, retirement age and pensions, and so on….I wonder how anti-communist explain such well shaped status of the Soviet masses while in many European countries, still under fascist rule, people were suffering famines….and were many illiterates…like in Spain….

    People who is being well taken care, develop that way, not the way we are succumbing right now to every and all the modern disseases, especially cancer and self-destructive habits like substance dependences, and every kind of psichiatric conditions, including the underreported data on suicides in the West, and other illnesses related to stress produced by chronic insecurity and unending pressure over working people…

    • Replies: @Feliks
  301. CalDre says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    I wonder if you are aware that protocols were written by Russian police.

    Hahahahahahahahaha! That’s a good knee-slapper.

    Of course, not having read them (your masters having successfully brainwashed you with this “forgery” absurdity), you could write such total nonsense. Once you’ve read them, you’d have to argue, that some lowly Russian policeman was not only able to summarize Jewish sedition in Europe (not Russia) for the previous 200 years, but also predict Jewish behavior globally for the next 200 years.

    As always, you write authoritatively about something you know absolutely nothing about.

    Written by Russian police! Hahahahahahahahaha!

    It is similar piece of crap as Shiff financing Lenin.

    Yes, we all know your history of Jew-worship – no doubt the poor Russian peasants financed the Bolsheviks.

    Anyway Schiff financed Trotsky – half-Jew Lenin was the figure-head. He was in Switzerland as Trotsky was rolling up the dough on Wall Street.

    • Replies: @Feliks
  302. CalDre says:
    @Feliks

    Protocols are not a document

    You need to learn some remedial English. Document: a writing conveying information .

    As to it being literature, again, you, like Sergei the Jew/Bolshevik Worshiper, you have never read it. So you have no idea what it is. It will take you 2 hours to read it, maybe you can take 2 hours away from porn to open your mind just a little bit, hard as that is for you.

    In any case to mention the Bolsheviks/USSR in the context of this protocols – is absurd.

    Again, written by an utter ignoramus who has never read it, but knows all he has been brainwashed to think about it. Sad, really, how brain-washed you are.

    • Replies: @Feliks
    , @Fatima Manoubia
  303. CalDre says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    so as to avoid her being asked about her thoughts on Kavanaugh nomination as a woman

    As is pretty much always the case with Communists, you are wrong, wrong, and wrong again. See https://www.cbsnews.com/news/melania-trump-says-kavanaugh-is-highly-qualified-for-the-supreme-court-2018-10-06/ (Being a stupid Communist you will not get the point by yourself: not only did she defend Kavanaugh, she has an entire press pool traveling with her, so obviously her trip to Africa, which you disparage as you are obviously a racist fuck, is not meant to take her out of the news cycle.)

    • Replies: @Fatima Manoubia
  304. @CalDre

    No, it was “higly likely” for to go there to have an opportunity to insult, if more was already needed, the Africans ( or people of African origins ), by wearing a colonist sign of distinction like that out of touch hat he wore as if she was filming “Out of Africa”…..so lost as her husband…..you the rightous defender of Human Rights, whose POTUS has just withdrawn UNHCR ….

    Why am I not surprised that Melania found right the nominaton of Kavanaugh, while she is married to such misoghynist? Whatever, so as to be able to spend great ammounts of money on herself….

    • Replies: @CalDre
  305. @CalDre

    “….(if you don’t want to compare to Africans, Indians are also Caucasians)…”

    People in mainly rural areas, like it was the Caucasus, when the USSR was overthrown, and it is even today, never will suffer such population loses, as it is in the case of cities and industrial zones, when a deep depression gets out with a country, since they have agricultural products and livestock with which to be fed themselves for at least a time till things start ruling again…

    Blaming Soviet women abortions for the loses of aproximately 12 million people which dead at result of the sudden overthrown of the USSR and dismatling of state apparatus at all levels as well as the direct applying of shock economical measures dictated by the “Chicago boys”of Harvard University, “experts” like Mr. Sachs, who, btw, recently recognized a bit of blame, is like accusing Iran of being the main patron of terrorism on Earth while you are in close alliance with those who have created, train, finance and by all means support the main terrorists groups currently acting throughout planet Earth and you yourself so do too….

    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/180580-recovery-west-forgive-russia/

    You, like he does The Donald, try to blame all kind of evils on women, so as to discredit half of society since you see them, women, as the main obstacle against authoritarian rule, how not would you do on Soviet women,….and, when it is not women, then there are black people, latinos or immigrants to blame. The thing is to exculpate yourselves, the WASP, when it is you who have always managed and still manage eveything from economy to politics around the world to date.

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  306. Feliks says:
    @CalDre

    You need to learn some remedial English. Document: a writing conveying information

    Its nothing to do with English. Its just different “world”. In some world all written crap is a documents becouse there is some information. In my world, document is serious material which can prove facts.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  307. @CalDre

    Quote from Encyclopedia Britannica, not precisely a communist organ of propaganda, on “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”:

    https://www.britannica.com/topic/Protocols-of-the-Elders-of-Zion

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    , @CalDre
  308. @Fatima Manoubia

    Useless. Encyclopedias are being written exclusively by Jews to mess up goim minds.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  309. On the Gulag issue:

    Article that Viktor Zemskov (historian during the Perestroika) published in the journal “Sociological Investigations” in which he clarifies the data on the statistics of political prisoners of the GULAG.

    https://culturaproletaria.wordpress.com/2015/06/15/gulag/

    ( This is an Spanish translation by a group of comrades researchers, but you could probably find it in Russian, there is a link to the “Sociologial Investigations” review, and may be even in other languages, as well, if not, try to translate it from Russian or Spanish to your language, and spread the knowledge, compañero, contribute to spread the truth about communism! for the sake of the proletarians of the world! )

    I will translate only the introductory parragraph, so as you can make yourself an idea, and why not, open your mouth on the intent of translation:

    [MORE]

    “The objective of this article is to show an authentic statistic of the prisoners of the GULAG, a part already has appeared in articles of A.N. Nudin, V.F. Nekrasov (1) and in the weekly “Argumenty i fakty”.

    In spite of the existence of these publications, in which authentic data are given with their documentary confirmation about the number of GULAG prisoners, the Soviet and foreign society is completely under the influence of the invented statistical data that does not correspond to the historical reality, contained in the works of foreign authors (R. Conquest, S. Cohen and others), as well as in publications of Soviet researchers (R.A. Medvedev, V.A. Chalikova and others). In addition, in the works of all these authors, the difference with the authentic statistics never goes in the direction of the decrease but exclusively in the direction of its increase. It gives the impression that they compete among themselves to surprise readers with figures, to put it in some way, astronomical.

    Here is, for example, what S. Cohen writes ( extracted from the book of R. Conquest “The Great Terror”, published in 1968 in the United States ): “… At the end of 1939 the number of prisoners in prisons and camps concentration grew to 9 million people (compared to 30 thousand in 1928 and 5 million in 1933-1935). (2) In fact, in January 1940 there were 1,334,408 prisoners in the GULAG camps, in colonies of the GULAG 315,584 and in prisons 190,266 people In total, between camps, colonies and prisons there were 1,850,258 prisoners (table 1), that is, the data offered by R. Conquest and S. Cohen are increased by almost 5 times.

    The Soviet researcher V.A. Chalikova repeats Conquest and Cohen, and says: “The accounts, based on different data, show that between 1937-1959 they were in the fields, which occupied huge areas, between 8 and 12 million people” (3). V.A. Chalikova gives a maximum number of 12 million prisoners in the GULAG (evidently in the concept of “field” includes the colonies) for a specific date, but in fact for the period from 1934 to 1953 the maximum number of prisoners in the GULAG was on January 1, 1950 and it was 2,561,351 people (see table 1). Therefore, V.A. Chalikova, following R. Conquest and S. Cohen, increases the authentic number of prisoners in the GULAG by about six times.

    He also made his contribution to the issue of confusion in the statistics of prisoners of GULAG N.S. Khrushchev, who evidently, with the aim of increasing the value of his own role as a liberator of the victims of Stalinist repression, wrote in his memoirs: “… When Stalin died, there were 10 million people in the camps” (4). In fact, on January 1, 1953 in the GULAG there were 2,468,524 prisoners: 1,727,970 in camps and 740,554 in colonies (see table 1). In the Central State Archive of the October Revolution, copies of the reports of the address of the Ministry of the Interior of the USSR sent in the name of N.S. Khrushchev with exact indications of the number of prisoners, among other moments after Stalin’s death. N.S. Khrushchev was very well informed of the actual number of GULAG prisoners and increased it by four times….”

  310. anon[279] • Disclaimer says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Show trial in Guantanamo bay and in the past at Nuremberg write the prologue and epilogue of American way of justice .

    Stalin shouldn’t have waited until 1953
    He could have made a phone call to Churchill who in 1945 was trying his best to get USA attack Russian 4 major cities and then mop up the rest and provided him his weakness .

    Stalin may or may not have killed his own people . Who did the British and American kill ?

  311. Feliks says:
    @CalDre

    Lenin’s mom was German, from noble family. At home family spoke in German and Russian language, that’s why all kids spoke in German and Russia perfect.

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  312. If you can’t beat the historical revisionists……..join them! Shamir has proven that he can dance as well as anybody. Comparing the size of genocides is like comparing the size of your appendix. This article has a BIG one. In Russian too.

  313. The thing is that the Soviet society had reached the highest possible levels of development in the smallest time a society has reached in the entire history of planet Earth, including that of today, for all its nationals in such a vast country as it was the USSR, through the achievement of full employment, full housing, full literacy and never before seen levels of access to higher education, culminating in the absolute erradication of poverty in the 80s …

    Ask yourself why such a system was overthrown by coup d’etat, ignoring the will of the Soviet people expressed by referendum shortly before the coup…..Well, the whole world, especially European proletariat, trained in warfare experience after WWII, was watching….and taking example on that model of society…..This is why a demonizing machine was put in march….at all levels, and not sparing recourses, so as to confuse the people and leave them without references so as to be able to defend themselves in front of the abuses by their exploiters…

    Since then, not only the Russian society, but also that of the whole world, has only suffered an involution, since the development process towards a more just society for all was conveniently put the brake on at that historic moment of shame.

    Now, Trump and his henchmen take us much further back to the gallop, not to the preindustrial era, but to the Stone Age … allied with Middle Eastern satrapies anchored since always in the Middle Ages….

    • Replies: @CalDre
  314. Feliks says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    Perfect Parade!
    Fatima, how do you put video in post? I cant even picture posted.

  315. @Feliks

    Dear comrade Feliks,

    You start your comment here ( or at other website/blog ), and when you want to illustrate/ document your comment with an article/video or image, you minimize this site ( or any other where you are commenting ), then you open a new window in your browser, and in case you want to put a video, you can search for it at youtube or, in case there is one Russian, at Rutube; in case you want an image or article, you put the key words to find it in your browser´s tab, and once you have found what you need, pass the mouse over all the URL appearing in the browser tab till it gets in blue, then with the right key of your mouse, which will offer the option “Copy”, select that, then open the minimized window of this site, and put on your comment and with the same right key select “Paste” at the level of your comment you want that image/video/article to appear.
    This way, you have linked whatever you want to add to your comment.

    I hope it gets clear and will help you.

    Knowledge is social.

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  316. CalDre says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    by wearing a colonist sign of distinction

    Not sure what you mean by this “colonist sign”, but this means you have seen pictures of her in Africa, so you know the press pool was traveling with her, so your claim she was “sent to Africa” (to imply, she was sent somewhere primitive that lacks any kind of modern communication, that was your racist assertion, no doubt you would not have written this if she were in “civilized” London, eh?) was fabricated.

    Trump a misogynist? LOL. You have no idea what the term means. But I am sure he has had more senior executive women working for him than Putin has. (I have noticed all of Putin’s senior cabinet are men.) Maybe all men are “misogynist” in your Communist/Feminist world? I take the other view, I think modern society is misandrist, not so much in Russia, but in the US for sure. The Kavanaugh hearing was quite good proof of that – a woman’s accusation means guilty until proven innocent. Of course as a Communist you might agree with that. But for your information: for women in the US, this is not the case. Definitely not.

    • Replies: @Fatima Manoubia
  317. CalDre says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    So you are making all kinds of irrelevant excuses just so you can blame the “West”, who you want to blame for everything. I suppose it is the “West’s” fault it is cold in Siberia …

    Sure, no doubt these “Chicago boys” of Harvard (hint: they were JEWISH BOYS, and the private University of Chicago is an extension of the Marxist/Jewish Frankfurt School, it is a Marxist Jewish University, one could say Bolshevik) ended up putting all the wealth of Russia in the hands of a few Jews. But you love Jews! You worship them! So it’s all good!

    In any case, nobody invaded Russia. Russia did all these things all by herself. Sure, maybe someone (i.e., some Jews!) gave advice which was not good, maybe this advise was to give everything to the Jews, but who is to blame for Russia”s stupidity in that? The “West”! LOL. I feel really sorry for what happened to many Russian people during this time, but the fault lies: first, with Russians, for you are responsible for yourselves, nobody put a gun to Russia’s head, and second, Jews, for playing you and stealing all your wealth (for a second time: first time, Bolshevik revolution – and this makes the first blame even more important, because you did not learn your lesson). No doubt you would let Jews screw Russia a third and fourth time.

    By they way, if you look to see who in the “West” is attacking Russia, planning for war against her: it is almost all Jews! The neo-cons are almost all Jews, or they are Shabbath goy that work for Jews. Almost all of the crazy articles attacking Russia, look at the authors, Jews. But you love and worship them! LOL.

    try to blame all kind of evils on women

    Again your vile Feminist dogma obstructs your view of reality. Millions of Russian women killed their babies and this is why population declined. This is the real reason. Sure the Jews made life tough for them, but not as tough as the life of billions of women around the world (whether in Russia, Europe, Africa, India, anywhere) who chose not to kill their babies. This baby-killing is a Feminist/Communist ideology – if these women had been Christian they would not have done this. These women consciously chose to murder their babies. They are at fault, 100%, nobody else. But of course as dedicated Communist you can never admit to reality and want to blame innocent people so that your glorious Communist/Feminist ideology is proven again how superior it is! LOL. There is no evil you will not justify, and no innocents you will not blame, in the name of “Communism”.

    • Replies: @Fatima Manoubia
  318. @Feliks

    Comrade Feliks,

    A good idea, that I use, is to bookmark every article, blog, website, video, that I find interesting, informative and educative, in my browser favourites, classifying them under a label, so as to find them better when I need them to debunk the flood of lies currently in the web about Communism and Socialism, especially by Trumspters and other far-right wing activists in the last years since and around the 2016 US election.

    Also, if you do not know but a little of English language, try to write your comment in your mother language ( in your case, I am guessing it is Russian…. ), then, if you have some knowledge of English, put it in an online translator, and just correct the mess the online translator makes sometimes of your comment. That way, you not only make your comment in English clearer, but also you learn a lot of English.

  319. CalDre says:
    @Feliks

    Even under that definition the Protocols are a document. Indeed, the most enlightening document you could ever read – if you would do it. But, you are blinded by your Communist ideology. You live in Plato’s cave of your own choosing.

    As Goethe fabulously wrote: “None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.” He wrote that about you, Feliks.

    • Replies: @Feliks
  320. CalDre says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    Actually the entire Western Establishment is thoroughly infiltrated by Jewish Bolsheviks.

    In fact, if you would actually read the Protocols, they explain all of this rather precisely.

    I have spent many many hours investigating the provenance of the Protocols. All of the claims for it being a “fraud” are incredible. I don’t have any convincing proof they were actually written by a particular person – they are not signed – but there is also no proof they are fraudulent, despite numerous efforts to “denounce” them (for obvious reasons).

    The reason I think they are genuine is not just because they are entirely consistent with the Talmud and Torah, but because they accurately predict hundreds of years of Jewish activity after their discovery. Everything from Bolshevism (with its lies and results), feminism, pornography, gay rights, mass media, finance, etc., etc. is explained in there, and all of it has come to pass, and Jews have played a leading role in all of it (which you might not know, it seems you can’t tell a Jew from a non-Jew, you must learn to do that to understand the Jewish power grab).

  321. CalDre says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Well you are starting to learn. Jews have tremendous political power in the West. All they have to do is scream “anti-Semite” and they can destroy anyone. And so they force through their views on almost everything, including, most importantly, the Protocols. There is a long history of efforts to suppress the Protocols, you should learn about it – but of course you won’t, lol. But the short story is: if you do not denounce the Protocols you are labeled an anti-Semite, a Nazi (because Nazis, whatever their faults, saw the truth in the Protocols and widely published them), and in the West, this is extremely bad for business.

    And your point is also more generally true: in the “West”, Jews have a strangle-hold on almost all of the mass media.

    But around the world there are billion people or more who believe the Protocols are genuine. These are the ones not brainwashed by Jewish media to believe them to be fraudulent.

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  322. CalDre says:
    @Feliks

    I know. He also spoke some English, when the “capitalists” (read: Jewish bankers) in London harbored him prior to the Bolshevik Revolution.

    I don’t know if he spoke Hebrew. Do you know for a fact he did not? I think if he did this was hidden, just like it was deliberately hidden that he was half Jewish until long after his death (and I remember all these wild accusations of anti-Semitism when people used to refer to his Jewish heritage, until not so long ago it became “official”).

  323. @CalDre

    The “press pool” that was travelling with her is probably FoxNews, the WH bulletin??

    FYI, the world, more concretely men´s world, does not limit itself to Trump and Putin, fortunately there is more variety, and thus, why do you bring in Putin now as an example? For you, the Trumpistas, the world may be limiting itself to them, not for the rest of the world.

    I agree that there are very few women in Putin´s cabinet, although there are some woman who are ministers, like Health Minister, and another at the head of the Central Bank, which is not any simple position….but they are few, and it would be great if there were also more women governors in the regions….there is almost none….and in Russia they can not claim they do not have enough skilled professionals who are women, since everybody in Russia now on its middle age has a degree on something…just Soviet heritage….

    • Replies: @CalDre
  324. CalDre says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    Not buying your economic achievement argument, though I agree it was not as poor as others make it out to be. OTOH a great portion of its wealth was due to oil and gas, as is the case now, and use of Western technology to extract it. In fact, because the Western Jews never completely gave up on Communism (even after Stalin’s purges), they provided Western technology – including, obviously, the nuclear bomb – to Soviet Union, as well as loans and other economic benefits.

    But I do take issue with this point: the referendum was not about maintaining Communism, it was about maintaining the USSR as one country.

    As to propaganda machine, USSR was extremely closed. All of the media was controlled by Communists. There was maybe one or two foreign stations illegally broadcast, but people listened to that, because they thought it was more true than the official propaganda.

    And now we are in the stone age under Trump? LOL, you need to travel more. Your understanding of the world is so warped as to be beyond comprehension. Typical Communist reactionary lies.

    As to anchored to the Middle Ages, in fact, Saudi Wahhabism and Soviet Communism have a lot in common. On the bright side: no Saudi lives in poverty. You should rejoice!

    • Replies: @Fatima Manoubia
  325. @CalDre

    You talk to me as if I were Russian ( which I do not deny I would like to be, especially would had liked living in Soviet times, if not for the war, of course…I would find very proud being a Russian, considering what they have contributed to humanity, especially to Europe…) and, along with this, you make a lot of suppositions about me, like affirming I love Jews, in that way, as a generalization…

    You see, I neither love nor hate Jews as a whole, but consider people independently of their origins, religions, colour, gender, or whatever any other human characteristic…. I am really sick of those really ill people in the net all of the time talking the hell about Jews, but especially of those who, then, in the same comment praise The Donald, who is doing for the far-right Zionist government currently in charge in Israel more that any other US administraton throughout history…..

    The thing is that it is you who contradict yourselves all the time. Become clear.

    People in the Soviet Union did not die by abortions of Soviet women, those who died as a consequence of the controlled demolition of the USSR were grown adults, who were left at their own fate for the vermin to plunder them, when all their life they had counted with the state as carer and organizer on everything from basic level of subsistence to the highest…..They simply were left without the minimum, and without knowing how to defend themselves in a jungle like environment their country became just overnight. This way, the most tough enroled themselves in mafias, marauding over there at their pleasure, in a failed state ( as it is the result of any US intervention since…) other more weak drowned their lives in alcohol and drugs, or wasted them in prostitution. There were already grown children who were found in crowded groups sleeping almost died of cold in the worst sanitary conditions in the streets, not fetuses and neonates, why do you lie in such a shameful way, so as to slander Russian Soviet women, and women in general?

    I remind you that your mother is/was a woman…. Beware, I hope that you do not have to pass through what the Soviet people had to pass in the 90s…You are not free of suffering the same fate, you are not the chosen, even when your leadership tells that to you all the time….

    And, btw, I never said that the controled demolition of the USSR was only to be blamed on the West, that is only one more of your plain lies and misrepresentations of what I say. Of course, any invader need help from inside, as the current Syrian war clearly illustrates, and there is a group of people who had a great role in that and still are part of the current elite, like Mr. Chubais….

    • Replies: @CalDre
  326. @CalDre

    “…you need to travel more…”

    LOL! I have most probably traveled so far more then you will do in your whole life, the level of your comprehension of human issues, says to me you have never left the States….

    • Replies: @CalDre
  327. CalDre says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    The “press pool” that was travelling with her is probably FoxNews, the WH bulletin??

    Rather than do a simple internet search, you rely on Communist dogma to try to predict truth. Unsurprisingly, relying on Communist dogma gives you a false result. She is traveling with a press pool, which is typical so that not every mass media outlet needs to sent their own reporter. I am not there to see every reporter with her, but, according to this article, it includes ” New York Times White House reporter Katie Rogers, who is embedded on Melania’s trip.” Is New York Times Bolshevik enough for you? It is for me – indeed the Jew York Times is fully Bolshevik (completely controlled by a Zionist/Bolshevik Jewish family, the Sulzbergers).

    why do you bring in Putin now as an example

    Why do you feel the need to denounce Trump? Because he is not a Communist? Well Putin was once a Communist, and lives in a country full of these Communist-educated women. So, if women are equal to men, we must assume half of all leaders, half of all engineers, half of all generals, half of all CEOs, half of all governors are women, must we not? Or has your egalitarian Russia become worse than US, in that women don’t remotely come close to these numbers? Sure, half of doctors (or more) are women, but this is simple job, there are not the top expert jobs – but tell me, of the top neurological surgeons or heart surgeons in Moscow, are half women too? Honestly, I don’t know the answer, but I would be happily surprised if true.

  328. CalDre says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    the level of your comprehension of human issues, says to me you have never left the States

    This obviously shows again how utterly clueless you are about everything. I have lived in over 5 countries, I have visited over 50 countries (and when I visit, I do not visit like tourist, I live with locals and get to know them, not in a hotel). I have traveled and lived with locals in Communist, Islamic, Christian, Catholic, etc. countries. There are remarkably few people in the world who have traveled more widely than me, or had friends of more nationalities and religions than me. I am sure you are not one of them.

    At some point, you should realize, you don’t know much about anything. So, since you think you know me so well, lol, there’s nothing more to talk about. Bye-bye.

  329. CalDre says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    You see, I neither love nor hate Jews as a whole, but consider people independently of their origins, religions, colour, gender, or whatever any other human characteristic…. I am really sick of those really ill people in the net all of the time talking the hell about Jews

    Jews are a very special case. They stick together like superglue. This is why they have survived for 2,000 years in “Diaspora”. They always hated the people around them, and refused to assimilate. They could have assimilated anywhere they lived – nobody was against this. Except the Jews. Jews are a very unique, particular type of super-racist, super-supremacist people. Those, who were once Jews, but are not like this, stopped being Jews long ago. They assimilated and joined the people around them to live in peace and harmony. Those who refused to assimilate, never stopped hating the “others” around them, never stopped trying to undermine and destroy them, never stopped trying to rule them. Because that is what their demonic tombs, the Talmud and Torah, teach them. That is what the Protocols reflect.

    Nobody is forced to be a Jew – they choose to be a Jew and hate their neighbors. Try, really, to understand how people can do this for 2,000 years! 60 generations! Of hate and disgust for the people you live among! It is hard to understand the perverse psychology of Jews, the totalitarian control of rabbis over the flock to cause such hatred and such supremacist views. But yet, it existed, and still exists.

    but especially of those who, then, in the same comment praise The Donald, who is doing for the far-right Zionist government currently in charge in Israel more that any other US administraton throughout history…..

    I don’t praise the Orangutan at all. I loathe him. But, I loathe him for actual good reasons (including the one you mention here – he obviously serves Jews and not Americans), not for the false, dishonest reasons you gave. He is definitely not a misogynist, though, like Bill Clinton, he has a hard time controlling his libido and he is a “true biological male”, i.e., he does not deny that nature wants him to have sex with as many women as possible to reproduce as much as possible. Under Communist doctrine, of “evolution”, this is just a biological fact, why do you hate him for accepting it? Do you hate men? You seem to worship women and hate men. Why?

    Oh, never mind, we’ll save for another day.

    • Replies: @Fatima Manoubia
  330. @Feliks

    How do you know that you are not a hamster? You see, you don’t.

  331. Suetonius says:

    For one of the best, and most suppressed, books on Communism, do read former Soviet- Estonia dissident Jyri Lina’s book, “Under the Sign of the Scorpion”. You will not find this book in a book shop or for a normal price on Amazon, but can buy the book at a normal price from the author himself:

    Under the Sign of the Scorpion: the Rise and Fall of the Soviet Empire

    http://jyrilina.com/english/under-the-sign-of-the-scorpion-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-soviet-empire/

    • Replies: @utu
  332. @CalDre

    “I don’t praise the Orangutan at all. I loathe him. But, I loathe him for actual good reasons (including the one you mention here – he obviously serves Jews and not Americans)….he has a hard time controlling his libido and he is a “true biological male”, i.e., he does not deny that nature wants him to have sex with as many women as possible to reproduce as much as possible……”

    Well, here it is the mother of the lamb.

    The thing is that “having a hard time controlling ones libido and wanting to have sex with as many women as possible to reproduce as much as possible” is more proper of orangutans ( and psychos, btw ) than of XXI century evolutioned human beings.
    Thus, here we are, at the point when a man who wants to live like an orangutan, tries by all means at his hands, which are not few, that the society accepts that as normal, and in that effort, tries to fill even the high courts with orangutans of the same kind….

    This all translates itself into what I had said, that he tries very hard to transport us again to pre-evolutionary, even pre-stone age, times…. if needed, even by shipping us into one of those Elon Musk´s crazy machines….You see, opposing this, has nothing to do with hating men, there are, fortunately for the future of humanity, many men in the world, curiously the youngest, most tolerant, solidary, most intelligent and handsome of them, who also oppose this regresion in time to the very lost link….

    Now, lets go on-topic again….

    • Replies: @CalDre
  333. utu says:
    @Suetonius

    YT has documentary

    • Replies: @Feliks
  334. @Sergey Krieger

    Okay, I must have misremembered your writing on here that you went to China in the late 80s.

    Are you in the US now? When did you leave Russia/USSR? Ever thought of returning? You know that in school in America, your children will be taught to hate Russia and the Soviet Union especially? If you’re such a Stalinist/Soviet nationalist, why not return to Russia?

    How are Russian kids raised in America perceived by Russian Russians by the way?

  335. @gmachine1729

    No, we are in Canada. I left not from USSR but already from independent Uzbekistan where we were stationed.
    Regarding going back to Russia. It depends. I am 50. 2 small kids. It is not as simple. But we are going to visit next year summer.

    Last time I was in China in 2001. And 1999, 2000. Before than in 1988-89. Lots of changes.

  336. CalDre says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    more proper of orangutans ( and psychos, btw ) than of XXI century evolutioned human beings

    Actually it is a natural desire of human males as well as orangutans. Humans generally suppress that urge. But, as with any urge, some are better at suppressing than others. What are some other urges? Gambling; alcohol; cigarettes; sugar or fatty foods; etc.

    You see, we each have various desires, some we are better at controlling, some we are not.

    But you seem to have a deep-seated hatred for this particular male desire. Are you Christian, or Communist? Why do you hate men so much? What if the Orangutan never forces a woman, but only mates with women who accept him? Why is that wrong, from a Communist perspective? Is it not natural?

    Do you slut-shame women who have sex with many men? What about prostitutes? Could a prostitute or a “slut” (say, an actress) ever be president, even though it is not in woman’s nature to have many sex partners, like it is in man’s? If a woman has sex for money/greed, and a man out of profound biological desire, are both equally evil in your eyes? Why do you “slut-shame” men?

    What about abortion? You seem to support that. Is that natural? Why is it a woman’s “right” to do something as unnatural as have an abortion, but not a man’s right as to do something as natural as try to procreate?

    • Replies: @Cyrano
  337. @gmachine1729

    I posted your poem comparing USSR with Greece and China with its successor Rome here https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=305810620246272&id=100024520086352
    and people read it and enjoy. What is your name, by the way? You can send it to me personally if you are hesitant to make it public.

    • Replies: @gmachine1729
  338. BTW, I think the lie called Holodomor also should be debunked. What’s your opinion, gentlemen? Or nobody is interested?

  339. EugeneGur says:
    @Israel Shamir

    Would be a great idea. The US Congress just elevated that fantasy to an official status. Would be great to provide a factual account also highlighting the role the Western countries played in forcing the hand of the Soviet leadership in that matter (as in . many others).

  340. @Israel Shamir

    Sure. Why not. Elena Prudnikova did a good job on this subject but it is in Russian. She also did a very good job about Russia that we lost pre 1917. She did it in very methodical way based upon archival materials.

  341. Cyrano says:
    @CalDre

    Actually it is a natural desire of human males as well as orangutans. Humans generally suppress that urge.

    What if the orangutan never even touches a female, but instead becomes gay? Isn’t that ultimate humaneness? That’s why capitalism is superior to communism. Where the communists were all brutes, the sophisticated capitalists decided to all become f**gots, so no woman will ever be harmed. As for reproduction – that will be left to the hordes of 3rd world immigrants who will one day replace the ones who learned how to control their urges by becoming gay. Of all the orangutans that you are talking about, you are the biggest one.

    • Replies: @CalDre
  342. CalDre says:
    @Israel Shamir

    Well, at least we agree on one fake genocide. It wasn’t directed at Ukrainians.

    However, just because it wasn’t “genocide”, doesn’t make it any less cruel. Taking all of people’s food at gunpoint so they starve to death is a crime; only a criminal government does this to anyone. If only those farmers had had guns, they could have quickly killed all of the thugs who came to steal their food.

    The same can be said of the Cultural Revolution. It wasn’t genocide in the classic sense; however, it was one dictator forcing 100 millions of people, at gunpoint, to do something utterly idiotic, for which tens of millions (predictably) died. That is every bit as much murder as shooting a bullet into their head.

    But of course, for Communists, generally speaking, the people are slaves to the State and the State can do whatever it wants, without consequence. Communists think that, however, only for Communist States. Fascist states, for example, don’t have that right; nor do capitalist states. It’s all just partisanship. When it comes to human rights, partisanship is the problem, not the solution.

  343. CalDre says:
    @Cyrano

    Of all the orangutans that you are talking about, you are the biggest one.

    And for that, you get blocked! I love this newly discovered feature, I never have to read your bile again! This site is getting so much better with just incessant 4-5 trolls blocked!

  344. I will be posting another translation by the group of comrades researchers, whom article about “Gulag” I posted above, on debunking the lies on the “Holomodor”…..but it will be in some two hours or so….now I must go to have a walk of at least an hour….no time for more today….Yesterday I did not walk at all, it was raining a sea here…..

    A maxim in Communism is to mantain a sane mind in a sane body….

    Stay tunned….I will try to translate a bit of it, as always, to open mouth and provoke you into translation in multiple languages…..

  345. Well, on the “Holomodor” issue, here it is an article on origins of the very term “Holomodor”, in which it had, how not, an estelar role the infamous “Harvard University”, as well as the Galitzian immigrant community in the US, whose supported nazi sympathizers were placed in charge of Ukraine by the coup d´etat which overthrew the legitimate goverment in 2014, and was at that time, and continue being, widely supported by the US.

    This article, translated by “Cultura Proletaria” from avante.pt, which at its time translated it from “Rabóchaia Gazeta”, n.º 215, 21 de Noviembre de 2008, and whose original in Russian is available at http://www.rg.kiev.ua/page5/article12595/ ( currently disabled, for what I have tested, most probably by the current Ukrainian authorities…take into account that the PCU is forbbiden in Ukraine right now, along with the Russian language, and its members prosecuted under death menace by Nazi Death Squad battallions…..), I will translate it in its totality because of its short lenght…

    “Holodomor: The smoke screen of the system”

    https://culturaproletaria.wordpress.com/2016/02/22/holodomor-la-cortina-de-humo-del-sistema/

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    “The demographic losses in Ukraine today exceeds several times the mortality caused by the famine of 1932-1933, but on this the government does not pronounce itself. Why? The answer to this question was given to us by renowned Ukrainian scientists during a “round table” organized by the Communist Party of Ukraine.

    Opening the “round table”, the secretary of the CC of the PCU, Georgii Vladimirovich Buiko, said: “What is at stake is not the fact of hunger itself, which no one denies, but its interpretation as genocide.” Georgii Vladimirovich noted that “although the word holodomor has a root in the word golog (famine in Ukrainian), the content of both is substantially different. Holodomor (often in the Western media the expression Holodomor is used because of its similarity to the word holocaust (NT)), it not only means a great famine, but it is an ideological conception that acts on the consciousness of the masses, it is precisely from a conscious extermination of the Ukrainian people through famine. That is why it is convenient to begin to see from what, where and how the concept of holodomor-genocide was generated “.

    A special Harvard project

    On the origins of the term holodomor, Georgi Tkatchenko stated that “this concept emerged as an integral part of a special project of Harvard University that was used for informative-psychological distractions against the USSR. Some researchers attribute the authorship of the term holodomor to the American James Meiss. Although his works were not considered by the American scientific media, the architects of the Cold War noticed him and he obtained a teaching position at Harvard University. However, in the opinion of most researchers, the real authors of the exchange of concepts were the Ukrainian nationalists of the media of emigration from Galicia (region located in southern Poland, western Ukraine). In particular, one Dmitro Solovei, who in 1944 fled the Ukraine with the Germans. After exchanging German businessmen for the Americans, he published in 1953 in the USA. the book “The famine in Ukraine”, in which he assures that the famine was an instrument of extermination of the Ukrainians. Later, the issue of “famine-genocide” was developed by British diplomat and spy Robert Conquest. For his book “The Harvest of Sorrow” (“The Harvest of Pain” (1986)), he received money from the Ukrainian nationalists. Western scientists who analyzed this book showed that the author used material from the chronicles of World War I and photographs of the famine that affected the Povoljia region (Volga Basin in southern Russia) in 1921″.

    On the supposed denial of the famine of the early 30s by the PCU, Georgii Buiko considered such a very strange statement and quoted a note written by Georgy Kriutchkov, deputy of the people elected in previous legislatures, in which it is recalled that “even in 1990, the Politburo of the CC of the PCU approved a resolution on the famine, deciding the publication of archival materials on this matter. The political assessment contained in this document indicates that the famine of 1932-1933 constitutes a tragedy for the Ukrainian people. On top of that, the illegitimate acts and abuses committed during the collectivization were condemned. It is interesting to see that practically the same is said in the resolution of the General Conference of UNESCO in 2007″.

    Immigrants and help

    There is also a lot of speculation about the number of victims of the famine. Incredible numbers are evoked and a “deadly” fact is transmitted: the 1933 harvest was made by immigrants from Russia and Belarus. Apparently, there is even a decree that confirms it. “Indeed, such a decree exists”, said Professor Vitali Khartchenko, editor-in-chief of the magazine “Kommunist”. “But it was only approved on August 31 (from 1933) and applied in November, when the harvest was over.” And how many immigrants came? “In the archives there are very precise data: 117,000 people. Now, it is evident that such a number of people could not make up for the loss of “many millions”.

    According to Vitali Khartchenko, “one of the reasons for the tragedy of 1932-1933 in Ukraine was the very bad harvest in Povoljie, Western Siberia and in some other regions of the Russian Federation in 1931. These regions were provided with help in supplying of seeds, as determined by a resolution of the CC of the PCU (b) (Communist Party of the Whole Union (Bolshevik)). At the time when it was considered that the year had been relatively good in Ukraine, this republic stopped receiving this type of aid. In addition, under the conditions of accelerated industrialization, a very demanding bread supply plan was established. However, If there had not been the famine of 1931 in Russia and a sharp drop in the prices of cereals in international markets (which forced an increase in exports of cereals), the most probable thing would have been to avoid such a tragic development of events. .

    In the magazine “Kommunist” were published all the resolutions of the CC of the PCU (b) in relation to Ukraine. Since 1932, Ukraine received permanent assistance: seeds, food and rations. Similarly, the cereal supply plan was reduced to 200 million poods (a former Russian measure equivalent to 16.3 kg), compared to 1931. Subsequently, by order of Stalin, 40 million were reduced and, later, even 70 million. “

    Goebbels and the SBU

    Vitali Khartchenko also drew attention to the fact that “even some supporters of the hysteria initiated by the current president of Ukraine began to avoid the word genocide. This only testifies to the fragility of their positions. “

    An interesting example, which refutes the planned nature of the famine, was given by the head of the department of ideology of the CC of the PCU, Vladimir Pustoboitov: “Throughout the war, Hitler’s Germany did not use, practically, the theme of the “Terror for famine”, which, one might say, had been exploited in terms of propaganda. However, they knew the authentic information on the subject. The German Consulate in Ukraine prepared, in those years, reports for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. These documents are published. What is said in them is that the Soviet government did not calculate its resources well. He never mentioned, even the possibility of a planned famine. These documents were known in the services of Goebbels and, after their analysis, they gave up on the subject “.

    The participants of the “round table” recalled that the holodomor exhibitions, held regularly by the Ukrainian Security Services (SBU), where practically all photographs referred to the famine of 1921 in the Povoljie region. But in addition to that, the rector of the Jewish People’s University, Aleksandr Naiman, accused the SBU of anti-Semitism. He presented as evidence the list prepared by the SBU of the collaborators of the NKVD-GPU (People’s Commissariat for Internal Affairs, State Political Direction of the USSR) allegedly involved in the organization of the holodomor. In this list, he said, “there are people who could never have been” organizers “of the holodomor, from the heads of the transport and statistics departments to the representative of Crimea, which at that time was not part of the Ukraine. But the main thing is the careful selection of names, almost all Russians and Jews. On the other hand, in relation to the latter, they placed their real surnames in parentheses in cases in which their Jewish origin was not perceptible through the names they had adopted “.

    Aleksandr Naiman recalled that “at the time of the “Case of the Doctors” and the struggle against the “stateless cosmopolitans”, in some Soviet newspapers appeared similar decipherings of the surnames of the people under investigation. Stalin said then: “this smells of anti-Semitism”. Today the SBU not only smell, but are impregnated with that essence “.

    Covering crime tracks

    What is the reason for this concerted and systematic action to inculcate in the consciousness of the masses the idea of ​​holodomor-genocide? Political scientist Viktor Pirojenko noted that “the greatest human losses caused by hunger occurred in the population of eastern Ukraine, which is now oriented towards friendship with Russia. Therefore, this concept is used above all to discredit the common past between Russia and Ukraine and aims to associate Russia with the image of the enemy. “

    Besides that, the power tries to cover the clues of its own crimes against the people. In this sense, Professor Mikhail Rodionov pointed out that “the demographic losses of the present Ukraine far outweigh the mortality in the years of famine. The population of Ukraine decreased systematically. In some eastern regions of the country, the population decreased by 20%. We are in the presence of a policy aimed at the extermination of its own citizens. Seeking to postpone the moment in which, sooner or later, he will have to answer for the real and not mythical genocide, the system creates a smokescreen in the form of holodomor-genocide. “

  346. Some more articles on the same “Holomodor” issue, published by the same site, are these ones ( I strongly encourage you to try to translate them with a translator, to be able to understand… All are MUST READ which debunk totally the invented myth and uncover its authorship ):

    * “Holodomor, the new avatar of “European” anti-communism”, by Annie Lacroix-Riz, professor of Contemporary History, Universidad París VII.

    https://culturaproletaria.wordpress.com/2014/07/09/holodomor-el-nuevo-avatar-del-anticomunismo-europeo/

    * “In search of the Soviet holocaust, a 55-year-old famine that feeds the right”, Originally published in the “Village Voice” (New York) by Jeff Coplon, on January 12, 1988.

    https://culturaproletaria.wordpress.com/2015/07/31/en-busca-del-holocausto-sovietico-una-hambruna-de-55-anos-que-alimenta-a-la-derecha/

    * “Ukraine liberates itself” (1918), written by Stalin and published in “Zhizn Nalsionálnostei” (nº4) and in “Pravda” (nº 261, with some modifications) on December 1st, 1918.

    • Replies: @Fatima Manoubia
  347. @Israel Shamir

    I didn’t write that. It was somebody on Zhihu. I merely translated it to Russian in a very literal fashion. I saw that you made many literary refinements to it when posting on Facebook, much appreciate that.

    Also,

    I was born in Taiwan in a WSR family and grew up in the West. Growing up, I finally realized that whites intend to do genocide on East Asians and KMT are collaborators in that agenda. Including my own parents — they are traitors and collaborators too.

    After finishing my last degree, due to total disgust with the West and my traitor family, I reverse emigrated and worked in mainland China. It’s been 10 years now. The agenda to do genocide against East Asians (starting with Chinese) is very much alive. KMT is a part of the agenda. DPP is part of the agenda. The only people fighting against the agenda are the leftist CPP! Not even the pro-reform rightist faction of CPP. They are a part of the problem.

    For us, the leader against Western imperialism is Chairman Mao!

    Today, we have Chairman Xi, who is doing a pretty good job too. The struggle is real and it is literally a life-or-death struggle for the East Asian race versus the Anglo race. To defend ourselves, we are willing to nuke anybody who gets in our way!

    from https://gmachine1729.com/2018/10/05/为什么我认为盎格鲁锡安集团有对东亚人和东欧人/ is not me. It’s someone else online, not me nor the author of the poem. I believe he was also the creator of the following diagram.

    Obviously, he’s being very melodramatic. Chinese in America don’t actually have it that bad. Plenty in well paid or prestigious STEM jobs. A good number of Chinese quants too making 500k a year too. He is right though about the pervasive media discrimination and ethnic cleansing. He even wrote

    I explain, “Life in America is like living in China under Japanese occupation. Japanese army going around raping and enslaving everybody. Many Chinese collaborate. Some Chinese even try to please the Japanese with steamed buns. They end up as human experiments for bacteriological weapons. Substitute whites for Japanese army. That is what America is like for ethnic Chinese.”

    As for myself, I found his writing perceptive, informative, and entertaining at the same time.

    Ron Unz, you’re sympathetic towards discrimination against Asian-American applicants by US elite universities. But you know, those Chinese-Americans spearheading the campaign against that would be ridiculed by many in China with the likes of

    You saw that other family eating rice and begged for rice, they gave you rice. Then you saw that they’re also eating hong shao rou (a Chinese meat dish), and you begged them for hong shao rou too.

    I’m actually quite sympathetic to that perspective. It’s readily apparent to me that immigration to America for the Chinese of my parents’ generation was a higher material standard of living in America in exchange for their labor and subordination to the American system, which includes the deprivation of the Chinese identity of their children that would have been the default taken for granted. The pressure to “be less Asian” on college applications is implicitly part of that. Like Duke of Qin has written, the extra money they earn comes at the expense of not having any grandchildren.

    So I’ve concluded under some inspiration from what I read from that guy that East Europeans are on the Anglo-Zion genocide agenda too. The downplaying or outright denial of the enormous role and sacrifice of the USSR in the defeat of Nazi Germany is strong evidence of that, along with exaggerations of deaths under Stalin and communism.

    Israel, what is your email? If you want, I can translate my Chinese blog article 为什么我认为盎格鲁锡安集团有对东亚人和东欧人进行种族清洗的别有用心 (Why I think the Anglo-Zion establishment has a hidden agenda to ethnically cleanse East Asians and East Europeans) to English, and maybe you can in turn translate it to Russian. Much easier than re-elaborating my reasoning on this matter here in English.

  348. @Fatima Manoubia

    Oh, no, forgot to add the link to this article, so sorry, very important what Comrade Stalin had to say…and very actual….indeed…..he was an intellectual, who left some interesting written work, and not the brute Anticommunist International have tried alway to paint of him….

    * “Ukraine liberates itself” (1918), written by Stalin and published in “Zhizn Nalsionálnostei” (nº4) and in “Pravda” (nº 261, with some modifications) on December 1st, 1918.

    https://culturaproletaria.wordpress.com/2016/10/25/ucrania-se-libera-1918/

  349. anarchyst says:
    @Israel Shamir

    …as long as the “lie” called the jewish holocaust is also debunked…

  350. geokat62 says:

    Although I originally wrote this comment in response to a commenter from another thread, I think it may be useful to post it under this thread:

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    False-consciousness. Ever heard of it? Well, I first came across this obscure term in the late 80s when I decided to enroll in a graduate course called, Working Class Politics. The Professor was an expert in Bolshevik history and he explained that after being exposed to socialist ideology for many decades, Marxian ideology predicted that the oppressed working class (aka proletariat), especially in England, should have been voting almost exclusively for political parties that best represented their interests. But, for some strange reason, a large segment of the working class would continue to vote for parties that best represented the interests of their supposed oppressors, the horrid bourgeoisie.

    How to explain this phenomenon? False-consciousness, that’s how. You see, according to the official ideology, “selfishness” was bad and the Bolsheviks were promising to usher in a new era where no classes would exist, a workers’ paradise, if you will. Now, since people were prepared to kill other people in pursuit of this ideology, it behooves us to pause and ask the fundamental question of “Who was right and who was wrong?” You see, that’s the most important question, as you can’t build a functioning society on the basis of a lie. It will crumble… just as the Soviet Union eventually did.

    As an aside, the importance of distinguishing between justice and truth cannot be overstated. Many progressives today consider themselves to be Social Justice Warriors (SJWs). But before one can bring about justice, one must know the truth. Without it, one is unwittingly committing injustice, even though they are purportedly committed to bringing about justice.

    So, rather than question the fundamental premise of their flawed ideology, however, the Marxian intellectuals of the day claimed that many members of the working class were victims of “false-consciousness” – i.e., they were being deceived by the propaganda emanating from established bourgeois institutions, blinding them as to what their real interests were. But, looking back on things with the benefit of hindsight, few would deny the working class were the ones who had a better handle on economic/human realism than these faux intellectuals.

    Fast forward to today and it appears we are facing a similar conundrum. But, this time, rather than selling the lie that humans can be taught to be selfless (to not pursue their self-interest), the new lie being sold is that we can build “egalitarian” societies in the west, on a foundation where the notion of “race” is rejected as merely a social construct. These false prophets now claim that “race” is the root of all evil, and that a progressive society must be built upon a foundation in which “race” does not exist. The logical extension of this ideology is captured in the slogan “No borders, no wall, no USA at all.”

    But where did this notion that race is a social construct come from? Is it true? In broad strokes, the “egalitarian” fairytale was first propagated by a group of intellectuals known as the Frankfurt School. The FS relocated to the US from Nazi Germany in the mid-30s. They were funded by the American Jewish Committee (AJC) and encouraged to produce publications whose sole purpose was to eradicate the wellsprings of antisemitism. And how did they propose to go about doing this? Well, they understood that the roots of antisemitism were connected to the fear of “the Other.” In order to discredit the fundamental truth that people were tribal in nature – that they preferred to be with their own kind – leading members of the FS drew on the bogus anthropology of (((Franz Boas))) who was the first to call into question the legitimacy of the concept of “race,” by suggesting it was a social construct – i.e., without any scientific basis, whatsoever.

    Well, once the FS latched onto Boas’ “scientific” discoveries, it took them no time to put it to useful work. They constructed psychological tests – F-scale, AS-scale, etc. – to determine how intolerant people were – i.e., how “racist” they were. As mentioned, the AJC commissioned the FS to produce these publications in the 30s and, since then, the ideology of “egalitarianism” has been propagated throughout our institutions. Which brings us to the present day, where progressives are howling against those who are not willing to accept the truth of what the FS and Boas have claimed.

    I think this short exchange between Jared Taylor of AmRen and an Australian journalist named Liz Haynes best epitomizes the current dialectic:

    LH: That’s why I was asking you: when did this happen? Because everything seems to point to it not happening to you.

    JT: Most of the time it does not happen to people. But, you seem to treat it as some sort of a psycho-pathalogical condition (LH: no, no, no) and sort of seeking the ideology of this absurd development. No, I stumbled onto the truth and I resisted the truth for many years. And, as I say, I would prefer to remain a liberal in all these respects. But, I don’t think you could build a successful society based on illusion. Adlai Steveson once said that: given a choice between disagreeable fact and agreeable fantasy, Americans will go for the phantasy every time. The idea that we’re going to build this successful, happy society which race could be made not to matter is a beautiful fantasy. Just as the communists tried to build a society on a fantasy. They thought they could build a society in which selfishness was going to be eliminated: from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. Doesn’t that sound lovely? And it inspired many, many people. And look at the millions of cadavers that were left behind in that attempt. I believe that the United States and practically every western European country is trying to build a society on an illusion that is equally mistaken as that of the communists. And, finally, more and more white people are waking up to this illusion. And, that is why you have Donald Trump’s success in the United States, why what is called, I think mistakenly, the “extreme right” is rising in Europe, and it is why we had Brexit. White people are finally waking up to find that what they’ve been told all of these years is wrong. There is something about race that is part of identity and that it’s genetic. And that we must, while we have the chance, seize the opportunity to pursue our own destiny and not be submerged by people who are unlike ourselves.

    I think Jared Taylor has it right. Do we really want to see “millions of cadavers” left behind in the current attempt to build our societies on the basis of another lie? I say: “no thanks.”

    • Replies: @Fatima Manoubia
  351. @geokat62

    “…..we must, while we have the chance, seize the opportunity to pursue our own destiny and not be submerged by people who are unlike ourselves.”

    And, you tell me, you consider this principle to be enjoyed/available to everybody into its own country/borders, or only for white people, or exclusively for white people in the US?

    If that is so, well, nothing to object, in case you pursue your own destiny into your own borders and not pursue it by submerging people who are unlike yourselves far away or in your vicinity.

    But, that´s not the reality, is it?

    If you do not want people who are unlike yourselves trying to submerge you, why do you promote blockades against and go to other countries, like Venezuela, to try to submerge people there and try to obstaculize them in their pursuing of their own destiny? Why Nikky Haley goes around there with a megaphone calling for a coup in Venezuela? Why your officials from Trump administration, including your POTUS; do the same call everytime they have the opportunity, even in the UN?

    As of today, there is almost no countries who live under Communist ideology, except, may be Cuba, and in this case, why they are not left to pursue their own destiny by you who try since decades to submerge them?

    How about the Soviet people, have you studied diversified sources on the fall of the USSR to affirm that what was developing there was an illusion? Current Russian authorities are not free of bias on this issue, since it is in their interest to mantain the myth that developing that system was an illusion….Was the Soviet people given the opportunity to pursue their own destiny, or were they awarded with a never requested incredible effort by Western nations and far-right unelected ideologues from within to change their system overnight, without even time to assimilate that change and ignoring the will of the people on pursuing their own destiny?

    How about the Syrians, and their right to pursue their own destiny and not to be submerged by people who are unlike them? Who have recruited, trained, financed, armed and then transported there an army of foreign sanguinaire mercenaries so as to impede them pursuing their own destiny?

    How about the Iranians? Are not them pursuing their own destiny? Why then are they not left alone?

    Why the Royal Saudis have the right to pursue their own destiny within, and out of, their borders and not their nationals? Why nobody invites itself into KSA to help them “pursue their own destiny”, as some have invited themselves into Syria, Yemen, Iraq and so on, when they are the champions in violation of Human Rights?

    Why the Yemenis have no right at all to pursue their own destiny and anytime they intend it they are bombed to the stone age and blocked to the extent of dying of famine?

    Well, the worst of seeing only the straw in the other’s eye, is not seeing the beam in one´s own.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  352. geokat62 says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    And, you tell me, you consider this principle to be enjoyed/available to everybody into its own country/borders, or only for white people, or exclusively for white people in the US?

    The principle of self-determination is universal – i.e., applicable to all groups.

    If you do not want people who are unlike yourselves trying to submerge you, why do you promote blockades against and go to other countries, like Venezuela, to try to submerge people there and try to obstaculize them in their pursuing of their own destiny?

    When have I ever promoted blockades?

    In keeping with the Founding Fathers, I’m not an advocate of foreign intervention.

    Nikky Haley goes around there with a megaphone calling for a coup in Venezuela?

    You’re preaching to the choir.

    Was the Soviet people given the opportunity to pursue their own destiny, or were they awarded with a never requested incredible effort by Western nations and far-right unelected ideologues from within to change their system overnight, without even time to assimilate that change and ignoring the will of the people on pursuing their own destiny?

    Oh, boy. Just as the W Bush Administration was inclined to do, you prefer to blame the implementation, instead of the soundness underlying ideology.

    How about the Syrians… How about the Iranians? Are not them pursuing their own destiny? Why then are they not left alone?

    See comment above pertaining to Venezuela.

    Why nobody invites itself into KSA to help them “pursue their own destiny”… when they are the champions in violation of Human Rights?

    Good question. You should put it to some of the leading members of The Lobby. Not sure if they will come clean with an honest response, but it’s worth a try.

    Well, the worst of seeing only the straw in the other’s eye, is not seeing the beam in one´s own.

    I couldn’t have said it any better myself.

  353. Mr. Shamir is an apologist. I recall some years ago in one of his pieces, he said (paraphrasing), “No one denies Israel’s right to exist.” He was wrong of course. I denied Israel’s right to exist then and I do so now.
    As to this apologetic piece, let me briefly quote E. Michael Jones magnificent book The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit and Its Impact on World History (2008), p. 756:

    The Bolsheviks, with 11 percent Jews, were the least Jewish of all the revolutionary parties, even though Jewish over-representation was five times as high as the Jewish population in Russia. The Social Revolutionary Party by comparison was 14 percent Jewish, and the Menshevik Party was 23 percent Jewish. If we turn to the leadership of the revolutionary movement, the over-representation of Jews is even more striking. Of the 21 members of the Central Committee of the Communist Party in Russia in August 1917, six, or 28.6 percent, were Jews. The percentage was even higher among the Mensheviks, where eight of the 17 members of the Central Committee were Jews. Of the list of the seven leading members of the Bolshevik leadership compiled by Culture Commissar Anatoli Lunatcharsky, four were Jews.

    and on the same page,

    The percentage of Jews on the staff of the hated Cheka was even higher. As late as July 1934, eight years after Stalin’s takeover, 34 percent of Cheka leadership was Jewish, a figure 17 times higher than the Jewish population of the Soviet Union. By 1939, after the purge of Jews, the percentage sank to 4 percent.

    • Replies: @Feliks
  354. Feliks says:
    @utu

    And where is there documentary? Zapruder’s film about John Kennedy? Or cheap crap movies? LOL

  355. Feliks says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    Fatima, thank you very much for your help!

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  356. Feliks says:
    @CalDre

    Your cave is directly opposite mine. ;)

    The document (in the world of logic) must confirm some facts. What facts confirm your Protocols?

    Lenin was internationalist, if he had Jews in his family, he would not hide it. He would be proud that so many nationalities mixed in his family.
    For me personally as for Lenin, no difference – were Jews in Lenin family or not, but truth is important.

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  357. Feliks says:

    The first Soviet Jewish settlements (farms)

  358. Feliks says:

    False flag Solzhenitsyn.
    Солженицын литературный власовец

  359. Feliks says:

    THE FILE ON THE TSAR Documentary Summers and Mangold

  360. Feliks says:
    @Macon Richardson

    In August 1917 there was no Communist Party in Russia, but was РСДРП(б). After October it was renamed the Workers’ Peasant Party of the Bolsheviks. РКП(б)
    In 1925 – ВКП(б) Vsesouznaya Communist Party (Bolsheviks).

    Why did Lunacharsky count the Jews? LOL

    The same on “hated Cheka” LOL
    ВЧК 1917—1922; ОГПУ 1923—1934; НКВД 1934—1943 etc. ;)

    E. Michael Jones should be correct especially when he touch historical theme.

  361. Tony M says:

    (sorry for the poor formatting but the blockquote button is inactive)

    Israel Shamir: “Zemskov had studied activities of the state security bodies from 1921 to 1954, and he discovered that in this period 650 thousand persons have been sentenced to death (not all of them were actually executed) and 2.3 million were sentenced to prison terms. That’s for 33 difficult years of Stalin’s rule. That’s all, folks.”

    I’ve been trying to understand the early years of the Soviet Regime, the period up to and including WW2 and beyond in depth for the last couple of years, on a purely amateur basis, but details still remain sketchy, and I may have erred even in the basics such is the dearth of information and reliable sources complicated by disinformation, plus fanatical and thus dishonest adherents of opposing factions. My half-formed understanding however is that Lenin till his death in 1925 (from complications of a gunshot wound to the head acquired in 1918), along with Trotsky as head of the Red Army (whose power waned after a failed attempted invasion of Germany through Poland in 1920), had absolute power until 1925, this was followed by a fractious shared rule of amongst others Kamenev, Zinoviev and Trotsky until Stalin’s consolidation of power in 1930, his role until then being rather minor. Does this not make the duration of Stalin’s absolute power and nominal responsibility only 24 years, not 33?

    I’m not interested in impugning or whitewashing either the Lenin/Trotsky or Stalinist factions, but would anyone care to comment on my contention that the lethality of the Bolshevik regime in the early years for the Russian/Slav population during the Lenin/Trotsky era and span of 12 years (1917/18-1930) was greater than that for Stalin’s 24 years at the top (1930-1954) meaning of course in domestic repression terms, excluding of course deaths resulting from ww2.?

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  362. CalDre says:
    @Feliks

    Your cave is directly opposite mine.

    Not true, I am not deliberately ignoring really important documents and information. That is all you. I’ve actually read a lot of Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Rand, and many other Jews of differing perspectives.

    The document (in the world of logic) must confirm some facts. What facts confirm your Protocols?

    Of course they are not “mine”. But like I wrote several times, they are self-authenticating. When you read them, bearing in mind when they were discovered and what the social, economic and political circumstances were then, you will see that they not only extremely – and I mean extremely – well predicted the next 200 years (which of course was extremely difficult to do, bearing in mind what the 200 preceding years were like and what a profound change it was), but also the Jewish role in those changes that are described therein.

    Again, it is literally a crystal ball into the future.

    Now, there are two explanations for this. One, it was pure luck. The odds of this are about 1 in 100 trillion or actually vastly less (see 2 paragraphs above). The other: it actually is a Jewish plot.

    Now, despite these odds, you may still think, “Well, the Protocols make the Jews seem all supremacist and that, so I’ll choose to go with the 1 in 100 trillion odds”. But, the fact is, the Protocols are no more supremacist than the Jewish “Bibles”, the Torah and the Talmud. Jews are inherently supremacist because it is the foundation of their religion.

    if he had Jews in his family, he would not hide it.

    But yet he did – he not only hid it, he lied about it. See e.g. http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2077413,00.html (note that Time is one of many Jew supremacist, Jew-controlled media outlets in the US, hence all the surrounding garbage) and https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4073133,00.html ; and https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/vladimir-lenin.

    As you can see from those sources, Lenin was ridiculously pro-Jewish. One could say a Jew supremacist. It could have been of course that he was a Shabbos goy, there are many of those who are the “house niggers” of the “goyim”. If you want to look at some sites that are more critical of Jewish rule than the ones I linked above (all of which are Jew supremacist sites), you will find even more interesting information.

    truth is important

    Indeed, it is. So what do you think now, that Lenin was a liar?

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  363. Tony M says:

    On the financing of the Bolshevik revolution, Zionist hatred of the Tsarist regime and covetousness of its riches and resources was boundless as well as completely irrational, unconvincingly justified by over-blown alleged pogroms of generations past, that they along with the British, besotted with its strategic importance fed by the haverings of Mackinder, the late supremacist lunatic Rhodes, his acolyte Milner with Rothschild backing, found common cause, and probably backed multiple horses in their desire to secure it for their own exploitation and enrichment of their exalted oligarchy, such that backing one party is not mutually exclusive of supporting others too, the stakes were high but the rewards incalculably vast. The Tsar having already being suckered into involvement in world war one with cast iron promises of Constantinople, must at some point have realised he had been ‘had’, and that he and his Russian Empire were as much the target of the Anglo-Zionist (and let’s not forget the French) machinations with which he dallianced unwisely, as Germany was.

    It is significant that the British blockade of Germany was completely and quite deliberately calculatedly ineffective, with the Royal Navy more facilitating the German war-machine than hindering it, with supply of all of German military needs pouring into fast rail-connected ports in Denmark and Sweden and also through the canal systems of the Low-Countries – Belgium and Holland – and thus to the heartlands of German industry from all around the world, and to feed the German army on both fronts, a true blockade not beginning until after the fall of the Tsarist regime, at which point it attained the effectiveness it could easily have had from the very beginning in the autumn of 1914, and which continued starving the German population literally to death until 1925.

    Someone or something payed enough into the right pockets in western Europe for Britain and France (and in Germany to to keep quiet about it) to ‘endure’ the wholly unnecessary slaughter of superfluous proles in the trench warfare through 1914-1917. That war really could have been ‘over by Christmas’ 1914, or early 1915, as many believed and thought at the time, but instead was continued as the initial intent of turning Germany into an economic and social hellhole and embroiling the US on the British side became secondary to toppling the Tsar as bloodily and decisively as possible. They did not care what replaced it, socialism and the maunderings of Marx were simply the most expedient to hand and nebulous enough to gull the masses with utopian slogans feeding their naive idealism enough to mask the iron fist and boot stamping on their heads it would inevitably entail. That they, the many, outside the state bureaucracy had been better off under the Tsar quickly became apparent, by which time it was too late thir country and its rule had been usurped.

    And who did or may have shoot and nearly succeed in killing Lenin in 1918 -was it his putative SIS handler Bruce Lockhart of the British Embassy in St. Petersburg as the Bolsheviks and Lenin himself are said to have alleged? Something indeed did seriously ‘gang agley’ in that arrangement.

    I’m afraid I’m only a little the wiser for reading this article, and not convinced by its arguments and evidence presented, it is disappointingly polemical and partisan as well as narrow in scope, over a hundred years on and the smoke and mirrors continue to multiply and to bewilder.

  364. CalDre says:
    @Tony M

    excluding of course deaths resulting from ww2

    I don’t know why you’d exclude those.

    In fact you’d have to include two groups that are often excluded: the Russians shot retreating on orders of the Exceptionally Great Coward Stalin, and the Russians who starved in Western Russia when he used his scorched earth policy when he did permit retreat. Indeed millions of Russians starved or froze because they had no food or fuel, thanks to Stalin’s inhumane (and that’s putting it as politely as I can) policies.

  365. Tony M says:

    Caldre (October 10, 2018 at 10:56 pm)

    I was trying to keep it simple, hence the stress on domestic repression, I should really have stated excluding ww2, AND deaths from famine, as these were not I think great factors during the pre-Stalin era, in order to make any such comparision meaningful.

    Others have commented on the extermination of the so-called bourgeoisie a wide-term including anything from possessing more than one saucepan to keeping a cat, and the intelligentsia, and of course peasantry were by no means exalted or any safer despite Bolshevik rhetoric. The author of the article bizarrely, I think falsely or erroneously, assigns the considerable deaths and repression under Lenin/Trotsky and friends to Stalin, with his ’33 years’. Of course in ww2 the many Commissars of the Red Army were as lethal to the ordinary Russian soldiers, for alleged cowardice in conditions which could only have been described as suicidal, firing at them from the rear as the enemy before them were, squandering that seemingly inexhaustible numerical advantage.

    It is really the period leading up to and in the years after the events of 1917 that the original article focuses on, and ww1 and its aftermath is more relevant than ww2. A further wrinkle on the phoney-war element in that conflict on the western front, despite the wholesale slaughter, is that steadily through 1917 the seasoned core of the British Army and their equipment and the best of the recruits, many never even setting foot in France, were massing in Egypt for an assault on Palestine (which in the end was almost unopposed), this drags the Balfour Declaration and the belated arrival in France in mid-1918 of American troops into the picture. From Palestine the British moved onto the more strategic and resource rich jewels of the Ottoman Empire in what is now Syria and Northern Iraq where stiffer Turkish resistance meant that fighting there dragged on into the early 1920s.

    It is simply impossible to consider the Russian revolution in isolation, without recognition of events taking place in the wider world, before during and after, it simply wasn’t the domestic or purely Russian internal affair the author suggests. In comments to other articles on this site, some (fools) have grumbled the articles are too long, in this case it is far too short and does the subject no justice at all.

    Thank you for your reply however, it’s late now here in Scotland, 01:20AM, so I’ll bid you goodnight.

  366. @Feliks

    You´re welcome.

    Glad to be useful and to see that you are already able to post videos….They seem interesting. A pity some of them are only in Russian….Good weekend!

    BTW…..

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  367. Feliks says:
    @CalDre

    I check your links.
    All these lies are from people who don’t know Soviet Society.
    Soviets didn’t care if Lenin had a Jewish grandfather or Gypsy grandfather or a black man from Guinea Bissau. No reason for secret.

    Anna wrote many articles about Lenin, wrote a book about Lenin, why she didn’t write there about the Jew grandfather? And why Anna write a letter to Stalin? Why? She could come to Stalin and talks. Oh, yes, I forgot falsifiers needed written stuff “to hang noodles on ears silly people”. :)

    Lenin’s niece Olga (daughter of Dmitry Ulyanov) never hear about the Jewish grandfather or about aunt Anna’s letter to Stalin. Olga until the last her days fought with fraud about Lenin. She wrote a lot of articles in time of Gorbachev’s coup and then under Yeltsin and Putin time. Now people can’t find any her articles.

    Anna died in 1935, Maria (Anna’s sister) in 1937 – both dead in the GULAG. LOL ;) Just kidding.
    Both were members of the РСДРП from the very beginning and all life put on establishing socialism. While Olga was alive she defended name of Lenin, Krupskaya, aunt Anna and etc.

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  368. Feliks says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    Fatima, thanks!
    I hope may be somebody can put there English subtitles. There important information about false flag of Solzhenitsyn.

  369. Feliks says:

    With English subtitles

    Animation )))

  370. CalDre says:
    @Feliks

    All these lies are from people who don’t know Soviet Society.

    Sure, I’m sure you were having tea with Stalin in the 1930s while serving on the NKVD, so you are the expert on everything.

    No reason for secret.

    So now here’s a new claim! These profoundly anti-Semitic Russians, who Jews tell us delighted roasting Jewish children over fires in their never-ending pogroms (lol!), actually loved Jews! Well I think the truth is somewhere in the middle, but why would Russians want two Jews to rule over them when only a year earlier Jews were confined to the Pale of Settlements and everyone in those days understood the profound hatred toward Christians and the ingrained supremacism that defined Jewish life?

    why she didn’t write there about the Jew grandfather?

    But she did.

    And why Anna write a letter to Stalin? Why? She could come to Stalin and talks.

    LOL – OK, this has hit that level of absurdity that it’s time to move on :).

    • Replies: @Feliks
  371. @Feliks

    Wow, but….this is a super cartoon….I have never seen anything like this in my whole childhood…. so far….
    I am envy that you grew up watching such funny, educative and informative cartoons…But…. if this is a faithful representation of Tsarist rule….( and how overthrow it by organizing underground resistance… ), with its inhuman dungeons ( of which Anti-Communist International, including The Saker, never talks a word about, btw… and which I myself witnessed at St Peter and St Paul Fortress in St. Petersburg, where people died of infectious diseases accquired in the long years of unhealthy imprisonment, while those who did not die of disseases, ended killing themselves because of years of isolation… ) and its unfair conditions of slavery for the masses while they, the Tsars and their boyards, and their attack dogs, Tsarist police, enjoyed the great life…

    Thanks a lot, you made my day, Feliks…..

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    , @Feliks
  372. Anon[436] • Disclaimer says:
    @gmachine1729

    Sounds like a lot of pseudoscientific BS from the very insecure.

  373. @Feliks

    Chipolino. Excellent cartoon.

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  374. @Fatima Manoubia

    Soviet cartoons were in line with Soviet policy of bringing up good people and good citizens capable of thinking. Same as western cartoons goal is to bring up dumbed down consumerism oriented morons. There is also non stop violence and aggression in western cartoons even in the best one like old Disney films. Le Cadre does not understand that to know one society one has to be born and live there long enough. This would include watching cartoon, going to stores, kindergarten,schools, universities, working there and being among people and reading both media and books of that society. And here guys like him come and teach us about Soviet society based upon work of others like him who never lived there and who base their knowledge upon either those who never lived there or lived but frankly never fitted in and who were biased against it. Le Cadre is as we say that Cadre yet. There is a piece of BS today by some Weber about What Shamir wrote here but again from the point of view of those who have no clue.

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  375. Feliks says:
    @CalDre

    Pogroms can be if government will allow interethnic strife. The pogroms were in the Empire of Nicholas II.
    In the USSR pogroms are imposable – first of all we were family of nations and second of all government will not let it happens. What kind of people grow up in a country depends on the government. law and order are important.

    Anna published the book “Воспоминания об Ильиче” in the late 20s, it was published in her lifetime – this is guaranty against false stuffing, so in her book wasn’t any Jewish grandfathers. The myth spread rogue-Volkogonov. During the Gorbachev’s coup they allegedly republished Anna’s book with additions. Additions are made by Volkogonov and others falsifiers, but not Anna. She is dead in 1935, Volkogonov work under Anna name 1988-1989. Anna’s letter to Stalin about the Jewish grandfather is a fake. Respected professional historians do not take seriously the myths from falsifiers type Volkogonov.

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  376. Feliks says:
    @Fatima Manoubia

    Fatima, one more cartoon from my soviet childhood. )))

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  377. Feliks says:
    @Sergey Kriger

    Agree! I remember many cartoons.

  378. CalDre says:

    The Jew radical Grigory Zinoviev wrote in 1918:

    To overcome our enemies we must have our own socialist militarism. We must carry along with us 90 million out of the 100 million of Soviet Russia’s population. As for the rest, we have nothing to say to them. They must be annihilated.

    This is Bolshevik mentality.

    “Some may call it Communism, but I call it what it is: Judaism.” ~ Rabbi Stephen Weiss.

  379. CalDre says:
    @Feliks

    In the USSR pogroms are imposable

    You lie. Pogroms were the norm in USSR – by Jew supremacist Bolsheviks murdering Christians (which in many cases it was state-organized and hence not technically a “pogrom” in other cases it was pure Jew bloodlust and hate). The amount of Christian blood shed by the Jew murderers greatly exceeded all Jews ever killed by all non-Jews in all known history, even assuming the Holohoax to be true. The Bolshevik Jews delighted in their work, were proud of it, and to this day, remain proud of it.

    Anna published the book “Воспоминания об Ильиче” in the late 20s, it was published in her lifetime

    Again, read at http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2077413,00.html . Time is a 100% kosher Jew magazine. What are the facts?:

    1) Anna wrote the letter in 1932, which is many years after the “late 20s”.
    2) The letter was discovered in declassified KGB files. Hence it was secret before then.
    3) She admits Lenin worshiped Jews. So it’s not such a stretch to say he was a traitor to Russia and served the Jews. In fact, that’s exactly what happened.

    This has nothing to do with Anna’s book, or additions. Why don’t you read the links I sent you instead of making shit up out of nothing?

    I am sure it is hard for you, as a dedicated Communist, to realize that the goal of Bolshevism was to destroy Russia, and subject them to Jewish totalitarian rule, as presaged in the Protocols. But that is exactly what happened. And by supporting Jew Bolsheviks you are a traitor to Russia, the Tsars, Christianity and decency. Bolshevism is the greatest evil that ever existed, ever. Period.

    As I have written before, Stalin was almost as brutal, though on the positive side he purged a lot of Jews over the years. Finally Krushchev purged almost all the remaining Jews, and at that point Communism became largely a humane system. But that was long after Stalin “betrayed the revolution” (as Jews worldwide mourned) after he purged a lot of the Globalist Jew supremacists (a/k/a Bolsheviks).

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  380. Feliks says:

    Pogroms were the norm in USSR – by Jew supremacist Bolsheviks murdering Christians

    LOL Such a vulgarity, such a nonsense. I still hope I talking to an educated person even if he still believes in Santa Claus. :)

    This has nothing to do with Anna’s book, or additions.

    Be logic. If she knew about the Jewish grandfather in 1932, then why she didn’t knew about it in 1926?
    In 1932 Anna was 68 years old, in 1926 (the first edition of her book) she was 62 years old. At 62, the elderly lady still didn’t know about the Jewish grandfather. :)
    She published articles in the magazine “Proletarian Revolution” before 1932 and after, but even there she never mentioned the Jewish grandfather.
    Lets pretend that Anna (member of the party) did not discuss this subject with comrades in the Central Committee, but wrote letter to Stalin. Where is the response letter from Stalin? Dude Volkogonov did not think too much about whole script. LOL Aha, lets say – Stalin ignored Anna and didn’t answer to Anna. Then why he just not burn the letter but put it in KGB archives? LOL

  381. Feliks says:
    @CalDre

    goal of Bolshevism was to destroy Russia

    Yeah! Than’s why Bolsheviks built Great Superpower country USSR.
    P.S. Be logic. ))

  382. Feliks says:

    Professor Grover Furr

  383. @Feliks

    Great! I loved entonation in the Chipollino cartoon, everybody who was good people in it sounded so loving and charming….that I renewed my old wish to learn Russian….Maybe I am starting looking for an academy here…..While watiting in the queue to see a film on Viktor Tsoi´s beginnins as musician, some weeks ago, I was watching an advertise on Russian lessons glued to a lampost….but when I went out of the cinema…it had dissapeared!…..I wonder whether it was a secret message for somebody…ahhh ( LOL! ) It dissapeared so fast…..it seemed to have been just glued shortly before…..Hmmm…..

    A curiosity….

    Russian: отец = Father ( pronounced “ottiot” )

    Basque: Aita = Father
    Aitite= Grandfather

    When you pronounce them, they all sound almost identic…..LOL!

    “Baina gaztea naiz eta daukat
    etorkizuna eskuan,
    ez zaigu hilgo Euskal Herria
    ni bizi naizen artean.”

    LALALALALALALALALALA!
    LALALALALALALALA!…..

  384. @Sergey Krieger

    I know, comrade Sergey, if there had not been so much good about the USSR why they could had gone to such fatigues to overthrow it, in the first place?

    Could you give me your opinion, if you know of him, on Vladimir Pletchanov, who is a professor at Moscow State University School of International Relations?

  385. @Cyrano

    everything that they (think they) know about Socialism – they were told by the same (type of) people who told them that Iraq has WMD’s.

    The Neoconservatives pushing the Iraq war were intellectual followers of unrepentant Trotskyites like Irving Kristol, and like Trotsky they fanatically pursued the destruction of traditional societies that in their view stood in the way of their glorious global revolution and liberation. It is this thread that runs through the horrors of the reign of terror following the French Revolution, the Bolshevik Revolution, the atrocities under Mao and Stalin, the killing fields of the Khmer Rouge. The left refuses to see this and history repeats itself yet again. The SJW snowflakes are looking more and more like the Maoist Red Guard. Thank God for Donald Trump.

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  386. anon[265] • Disclaimer says:

    I found on the net this translation of one Russian researcher’s memories of living in Soviet Union after war, in the 50′s. He claims that Stalin’s USSR had higher standard of living than United States, what all you Soviet and Russian experts think? Credible or not?

    https://www.russianvoices.org/2017/02/01/remembering-the-ussr-a-personal-account-of-stalins-economy-part-1-of-4/

    https://www.russianvoices.org/2017/02/18/remembering-the-ussr-a-personal-account-of-stalins-economy-part-2-of-4/

    https://www.russianvoices.org/2017/02/22/ussr-stalins-economy-a-personal-story-part-3-of-5/

    https://www.russianvoices.org/2017/03/13/ussr-stalins-economy-personal-story-part-4-5/

  387. @Tim Howells

    The Neoconservatives pushing the Iraq war were intellectual followers of unrepentant Trotskyites like Irving Kristol, and like Trotsky they fanatically pursued the destruction of traditional societies that in their view stood in the way of their glorious global revolution and liberation. It is this thread that runs through the horrors of the reign of terror following the French Revolution, the Bolshevik Revolution, the atrocities under Mao and Stalin, the killing fields of the Khmer Rouge. The left refuses to see this and history repeats itself yet again. The SJW snowflakes are looking more and more like the Maoist Red Guard. Thank God for Donald Trump.

    Trump isn’t gonna save you fool. He’s surrounded himself with neocons and nutjob zionists, just like your other hero Bush. Just like 0bama, more war, more drones, more military bases, more for the rich less for mid class and poor. whats different about Trump?
    More privatization, less freedom. Has Trump tore up the Patriot Act? The NDAA? Extra-judicial murder of us citizens? Has he done anything to dismantle the police/surveillance state? Cut the Pentagon/CIA budgets? You seriously believe he is fighting the “deep state”? Get real, take a look around you. All of the political censorship taking place under Trump and the GOP. Healthcare still crap and unaffordable.

    Neocons are capitalists and imperialists, they have waged war on every communist/socialist country that has ever come into existence. Soviet Union, North Korea, Vietnam, South and Central America………….

    Better look at who is taking over the food and water supply here in capitalist America. You know how corporations like Monsanto made their way?
    You know what they did to those dangerous communists in Vietnam? Agent orange? Roundup? Go and look at some of the pictures of what that stuff is still doing to people there.
    You really believe that they have your families best interests in mind? Ha!

    You’ve been lied to. Most here will admit that their government, media, educators have lied to them about literally everything, but they can’t bring themselves to admit they may have been lied to about capitalism. Better read what your bible tells you about the love of money AKA capitalism.

    7For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out. 8And having food and raiment let us be therewith content. 9But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. 10For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

    Sad!

    • Replies: @Tim Howells
  388. Elentari says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    I understand that Putin closed the archives some years back, especially the archives pertaining to the “holocaust”.

    Israel Shahak’s book “Jewish History, Jewish Religion” helps to understand quite a lot about Jews and communism – not good.

    Read The Bible Unearthed. by Israel Finkelstein.

    Did you know that ancient
    Israel had nothing whatsoever to do with any Jews or Hebrews or Habiru or the tribal god of the Jews they call Yahweh? Not a thing! N
    Neither was Jerusalem ever anything to do with any Jews or Hebrews or Habiru!

    As for Jesus Christ being a Jew that is the most amazing lie of all.

    “IUSA the KRST was born in a stable on the 25th. December of a Virgin called IsisMery.
    He taught in the Temple at age 12 and he was baptised at age 30 by Anup the Baptiser.
    Hehas 12 companions, walked on water, jeaeled the sick and raised the dead.
    He was crucified,died and was buried in a tomb of rock.
    He was resurrected, naturally.”

    It is all in the Book of the Dead and the Pyramid Texts

    Christianity was the spiritual way or method of the Egyptians and had absolutely nothing to do with the Jews – or Hebrews,

    Read “Christ in Egypt” by DM Murdock. Read all Tony Bushby’s books.

    Even the alphabet which the Jews claim is their “sacred alphabet” they took from the Egyptians! ALL stolen!

    It seems that it was the Essenes, who were Jews, who usurped the Chistian teachings when the great Library of Alexandria was destroyed.

    Hypatia ws murdered that day. They skinned her alive then scraped her flesh from her bones with sea shells –
    Sadistic, and for what reason?

    I recommend the books of Ashraf Ezzat also, such as Egypt Knew No Pharaohs or Israelites,

    http://www.sott.net/articles/show/233230-Senior-Israeli-archaeologist-casts-doubt-on-Jewish-heritage-of-Jerusalem

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wNyDP5N1HU

    I am not sure that Israel Shamir wants to face these things. But he should – the Truth sets you free.

    As for what he has to say about Soviet times – I so wish we could really know, but he seems to dismiss the great Solzenitsyn?

    And what are we to make of Putin being so fantastically popular? I admire him very much, mostly because he behaves like a man and not a stupid wimpish thing – BUT, why is he so very very fond of Kissinger?

    Why is that evil dwarf so very well respected or even loved, in The White House, The Kremlin
    and Beijing??? ALL of them! Why does he seem like The Godfather??? Why is the World, OUR World, dominated by that evil dwarf?

    Or os IsraelShamir about to tell us that he is really a fine upstanding gentleman?

    How can anyone trust that person???

  389. Alan says: • Website
    @Brewer

    Thank you, Brewer, for your comments on this excellent article, though I believe Shamir’s defense is of a ‘judaism’ that he fantasizes about rather than a ‘judaism’ of which history reveals the reality of. God, not the ‘god’ of foolish religious beliefs but the God of Spiritual Truth, is the most logical arena of thought available to the mind of ‘man’. John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word is God.” The Greek word translated ‘Word’ in this setting is ‘logos’; or more simply, logic. Truth is logical. Always has been, always will be. God is Truth; Logical Truth and Spiritual Truth. Only man’s distorted imagination and fantasy with propaganda can supersede Truth. Fantasy and propaganda cannot over power truth, it can only supersede Truth in the mind of the Illogical Thinker. God is still Truth; Logical and Spiritual. But foolish man prefers fantasy and myth and propaganda. Oh well,….

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