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When I see a crying child on my screen, I know somebody is trying to take advantage of me. The same is true about every appeal to my basic human instincts, whether it is a naked female body or a dead baby. Instead of convincing me, such a cheap trick calls for immediate rejection. I know that this voluptuous body will not land into my hands even if I buy all Coca Cola in the shop. The sight of dead babies will not convince me to do something against common sense, for it is manipulation. In politics, I want a Socratic discussion, not emotional persuasion. If you can’t persuade me by words, do not try to do that with pictures. However, they try and often succeed.

Words can be pretty inflammatory, but pictures are stronger stuff. In order to kill the flower of English youth at the tranches of Verdun, pictures of German brutes roasting Belgian babies on their bayonets were used; pictures of Jewish commissars raping an Aryan blonde pushed the German lads to premature death at the banks of Volga River. You can’t argue pictures with words, saying that there is a simple way to avoid the calamity: do not start war, and the German brute will have to satisfy his ravings by roasting a bratwurst, and the Jewish commissar will just subscribe to the Playboy to view an Aryan body.

This is the case with #Trumpbabysnatcher. It is heart-renting to see a picture of small kids beyond the bars. But there is a childishly simple way to avoid separation and incarceration: do not cross the Rio Grande without a visa.

Picture pushers are dishonest and they do not care a fig about kids: Madeleine Albright famously thought it is worth while to kill half a million of Iraqi children. Hillary Clinton unleashed hell on Libyan and Syrian soil, killing and dispossessing hundreds of thousands of children. All the US Presidents have been hugging and kissing Israeli rulers, who habitually detain, torture and kill Palestinian kids. Our friends in the alternative media (Counterpunch etc) who joined these ladies and gents waving kiddie photos are of weak mind or dishonest or they think that anything goes to achieve their goal, getting rid of Trump.

The wonderful Diana Johnstone wrote recently that the immigration issue splits the German left. Indeed support for free immigration is suicide for the Left. But this issue does split the whole Western world. On one side, believers in the world without borders, in the free movement of people. It sounds great, until you understand that this is a way to destroy the native working class, abolish the welfare state, ruin social structures and at the same time undermine donor countries, in short, to destroy the world as we know it. On the other side, people who want to preserve the world they live in work to keep the walls up.

What we need is some sincerity and honesty, as opposed to manipulation. If you think mass immigration will return us to new Dark Ages, say so. If you think it would be better to remove borders and to unleash a new Volkswanderung, just say so, but please do not show us baby pictures.

On a personal level, people for open borders are those who are certain their jobs aren’t threatened by any migrants; for them, a new Mexican arrival means a new Mexican restaurant or a new Mexican field worker or builder or house cleaner, cheaper than what they have had, not a competitor for job and housing. People for preservation of the world are aware that they are vulnerable, that new people can make them unemployed. In other words, the former are upper classes or their sycophants, the latter are working classes and people who feel solidarity and compassion towards them.

“Why don’t you say that the former feel compassion towards refugees and immigrants”, you’d ask. Because they do what is profitable for upper classes. They feel zero sympathy for suffering Palestinians, and this is the sterling proof that they lie.

Do you remember the picture of a poor drowned Syrian boy on the seashore? This picture moved a million Afghans, Iraqis, Gypsies and even some Syrians to Europe. Indeed it is terrible, that the drowned child’s father endangered lives of his family for no valid reason. He lived in safe and prosperous Turkey for a few years; he preferred to go to Canada; Canadians refused him a visa, so he sailed the dangerous Mediterranean Sea and lost all his family. Awful; but why this personal tragedy should influence any decision beyond caution: do not sail the sea in unseaworthy vessels. It is better to live in Turkey as 80 million people do than to die at sea.

A few days ago we saw Palestinians – men, women, children, – being shot at by Israeli snipers because they wanted to leave their concentration camp of Gaza. Did the people who love immigration say anything in their support? No, they know better that their Jewish organisers won’t approve that. And the Jews weren’t impressed at all. “Let them all die” – they wrote in their social networks. As a rule, Jews are visually challenged, and excel verbally. This allows them to remain unmoved by pictures, while spreading the kiddie pictures to impress Gentiles.

Israelis are divided about African migrants: the wealthy want more of it, the working classes want them out. Netanyahu’s government is rather populist and it deports the migrants, though Soros types try to block deportations. However, the wealthy and the workers, Jewish left and Jewish right are of one anti-native mind: they do not want to allow native Palestinians to roam the land. Jews are anti-native by definition; this defines their attitude to human trafficking.

ORDER IT NOW

Migration is not all that different from the slave trade of old (the trade Jews excelled in). Recently a video from Libya has been delivered to Europe: the Coast Guard soldiers whip the black migrants to the rubber boats and push them into the sea. Those who remain in the camps are sold in the auction, women – for sex, men – for hard work. This video came at a very opportune hour when the struggle for and against the new slave-trade swept the world from the US to Italy and Germany.

Libya is one of main slave trade markets. Once it was a relatively prosperous country, and a reliable block on the road of African migrants to Europe. The Africans could and did find jobs in Gaddafi’s Libya. But in 2011, the country was destroyed by Obama and Clinton. Since then, it has become a poor ruined country with slowly simmering civil war. Libya has oil, but now many Libyans have discovered the African slave trade. Like in 17th century, the African blacks once again make some Arabs and Europeans wealthy.

Many millions of dollars are earned by Libyan militias this way. They take money from both sides – from Africans rushing to Europe from their ravaged countries, and from Europeans who pay the militias to stop refugees.

The man captured in a video with a whip in the hands, the leader of the brutal gang of slavers is a former rebel against the ‘bloody dictator’ Muammar al-Gaddafi, a friend of democracy and European values, Abd al-Rahman al-Milad, a commander in the Coast Guard. The boats, in which he sends Africans to Europe, are bought with European money. Two hundred million euros a year is paid by Brussels, but the slaves bring much more income. Europeans appreciate Milad – a year ago he was invited to a refresher course in Rome, where he spent a fruitful month in a classy hotel at the expense of the European Union.

Milad’s rival Al-Dabbashi sends boats by night from the beaches. The competitors remove the engines from the boats of rivals, and leave the refugees to die at sea. The turnover is huge: one and a half million blacks have passed through Libya on their way to Europe, thousands have died en route, but the human resource has not dried up. Other Libyan militants, who once liberated their homeland from bloody Gaddafi, operate in the African outback and drive tens of thousands of Africans through the Sahara into Libya, to new slave markets and to Europe.

The European NGO’s pick up rubber boats with migrants sent by Milad, take the migrants on board and deliver them to Europe, making a very decent profit. These “rescuers” directly cooperate with Milad and other slavers, they receive exact instructions from the “senders” where to pick up the boats, and they take a considerable share of the profit. They earn grants and donations of the compassionate Europeans, who do not understand that they are being manipulated by slavers.

For several years this business flourished without hindrance, until the Italian people got tired of accepting hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, and elected the “populists”, a coalition of the right-wing League of the North of Italy and the left libertarian party M5S of the South of Italy, and they shut the traffic down. Matteo Salvini, the Interior Minister, banned a ship with its black cargo from entering Italian ports, and after several days of disputes, the ship Aquarius went to Spain. If the Italians remain steadfast and put their foot down, they will eliminate the second leg of the traffic scheme, the “humanitarian NGO” vessels that made the whole slave trade possible.

The Spanish government accepted Aquarius, and two more boats, sailing under the Dutch flag, which the unruly Italians had blocked from entrying their ports. The French administration of Macron sided with Brussels, Germany and Spain, and promised to receive the refugees from the Aquarius. But in Germany a riot is brewing – the Minister of the Interior Horst Seehofer gave an order to stop accepting illegal migrants. Chancellor Angela Merkel did not agree with him. She can fire Seehofer, but then her coalition will collapse.

Hungary placed the fight against migration at the top of its agenda. So the split is not Left vs. Right, but between those who want to end illegal immigration and those who want to replace the expensive and spoiled European population by unpretentious, obedient and cheap migrants .

There is a correlation between the attitude to migration and to Russia. Those for open borders are anti-Russian, those pro-native are rather pro-Russian. This is not a 100%-dependence, as Poland is anti-Russian and anti-migration at once, but as a rule, in social networks, the Russians are supportive of anti-Soros forces in Europe, and those forces look to strongly nativist Moscow with hope.

The Russian government does not intend to interfere with European (or even less, American) decision-making in this sphere. Russia is not specially welcoming to migrants, and despite Russian involvement in the Syrian war, the country has received very few Syrian refugees, if at all. Opposition to Mr Putin, be it from the Communist Party or the nationalists of Mr Zhirinovsky, is strongly anti-migration, while the government allows labour migrants from Central Asia to come in and work. However, since the Rouble depreciated against Dollar, the waves of migration abated, for in Russia, in Europe and in the US migration is chiefly economic migration.

Its solution lies in treatment of Africa, Latin America and other immigration donors. There should be a law stipulating positive balance of payments, including financial transactions and debt repayment, between these countries and the prosperous West. Money should flow to Africa, not from Africa, and this will end the Libyan traffic.

Mass migration is an ugly phenomenon, encouraging human trafficking and slave trade, beefing up profits of nasty smugglers and ruining the donor and receipting countries. It is good to stop it. And no pictures of crying babies should interfere with decision-making.

Israel Shamir can be reached at [email protected]

This article was first published at The Unz Review.

 
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  1. That’s what you write here.

    OTOH you support the intimidation of the people actually guarding the borders:

    https://ice.wikileaks.org/

  2. Rational says:

    FOR LIBERALS, CONNING IS JOB 1.

    Thanks for the excellent article, Sir. You are so very right.

    The libs realized that the Russian collusion scam was not working, so they made up a new “scandal” to attack Trump—that he was separating families (of alien invaders).

    The biggest reason many decent people do not commit crimes is that they know that they will go to prison and they will be separated from their family.

    But these aliens are not only invading a country, they are training their children to turn to crime. Their first intro to this country is as a criminal.

    The liberal policies are the biggest cause of separation of families. If libs truly care about children, we must:

    a. Ban immigration, as most aliens leave their relatives when they come to US, for studies, work, etc.

    b. Ban divorce, as that results in children being separated from their fathers;

    c. Ban the restraining order VAWA racket, which is used by woman to make money from men by making false allegations of “domestic violence”, as that makes it harder for the innocent father to see his innocent children.

    d. Stop supporting Israel, which shoots Palestinian children and separates them from their families–for ever.

    e. Ban abortion, which separates the child from his family—for ever.

    • Agree: Autochthon
  3. Americans, millions of them, have given up on reason and only trust emotion. Please don’t try to reason with them. It only makes them angry. We need something to spray them with.

    • Replies: @Moi
  4. Mr. Shamir, you are the writer who brought me to unz.com. Thank you for your excellent content. You provide excellent insights into the most pressing topics of our time.

    Cheers!

    • Replies: @anno nimus
  5. There are two aspects to this problem:

    Virtually all people on earth want government.

    When governments exist, most everyone want all others to live under the type of government that they approve of.

    So the end result is that some small blobs of neurons in their heads act to tyrannize all other individuals.

    • Replies: @bob klinck
    , @Svigor
  6. In a just world those refugees would be put onto transatlantic cruise ships headed to America rather than in rubber rafts to Europe.  The US caused most of the grief that Europe is catching.
     https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2018/06/20/half-the-pieand-the-recipe-a-manifesto/

    • Disagree: RadicalCenter
  7. melgibstein says: • Website

    I think what he is saying is he is fed up with the Jew controlled media and Jew controlled money and ehhhh Jew controlled governments, but not the Jew controlled ehhhh internet.

  8. Tulips says:

    If Europeans do not like refugees, then Europe should stop making refugees. Europe did not have to join the US in the destruction of its near neighbors: Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Palestine, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen, and more distant Afghanistan and soon Iran. For those who want more refugees in Europe, there is Egypt and Turkey to destroy.

  9. “Money should flow to Africa, not from Africa, and this will end the Libyan traffic.”

    Whoa! I’d rethink that if I were you. Remember how the vast majority of African slaves were obtained during the North Atlantic Slave Trade days, which was from African chieftans on the West Coast. African leaders don’t have a good track record of looking out for other Africans. If they start getting money from this pipeline, they’ll fill that pipeline up.

    Otherwise a gem of an article encapsulating an ignored aspect of the immigration issue.

    • Replies: @Russ
    , @Anonymous
    , @Wally
    , @Wally
  10. “Money should flow to Africa” …. yes, but only for the animals we want to save from Africans. It’s time for an honest conversation on the diminishing returns on SAVE THE CHILDREN.

    I don’t want to save the children of Africa, Asia, or South and Central America. I’m not even fond of the idea of aid to Eskimos.

    I like white people, white culture… and do NOT like black and brown culture – but for Mexican food.

    And I will compare passport stamps with anyone on this discussion board. I’ve been there, done that, and glad I saw much of the 3rd world that is irredeemable.

    There are 7-8 billion people – most are worthless breeders.. yes you saw right… I do not care if I am deemed a racist. I AM A RACIST. The simple all pervasive law of economics is at play on this subject….

    the more you have of anything… the less value is attached to same. Air, water, and people of color.

    So the visuals don’t work on me. I love carpet bombs in Syria, and Afghanistan… it’s wholesale slaughter… costs less for me and the grand children I am worried about.

    So – whoopie! Ebola and malaria, AIDS and plague are NOT doing their job. Let’s get on with it and stop the phony baloney “sympathy” for the worthless breeders of the 3rd world who WILL destroy Western Civilization … throwing the world back to the dark ages, should they survive in sufficient numbers.

    No apologies..

  11. @Drapetomaniac

    If we got rid of a financial system that makes all slaves (“employables”–imagine, in an age of rapidly increasing robotic production!) and divides us, in the midst of unprecedented material abundance, into groups competing for economic survival, it would be quite easy to arrive at general agreement on what the population wants from government.

    • Replies: @anon
  12. “A few days ago we saw Palestinians – men, women, children, – being shot at by Israeli snipers because they wanted to leave their concentration camp of Gaza. Did the people who love immigration say anything in their support? No, they know better that their Jewish organisers won’t approve that.”
    Mr. Shamir sees the truth and speaks it like no other. Courageous and honest, indeed.

    • Agree: Iris
  13. Russ says:

    “… pictures of Jewish commissars raping an Aryan blonde pushed the German lads to premature death at the banks of Volga River.”

    Were there any pictures from Cologne a few New Year’s Eves ago? Would they have had a similar impact upon the lads?

  14. Russ says:
    @RebelWriter

    Obama, at the root of slave trade resurgence via a decimated Libya: The darkest of ironies. Would that his culpability could be taught to the American black …

  15. Biff says:
    @Robert Magill

    In a just world those refugees would be put onto transatlantic cruise ships headed to America

    Even though Washington takes its orders from Tel Aviv it is also complicit to the crimes that produced the refugees, so yes I can agree, but Europe is also a poodle, and there is plenty of blame to go around. It’s not rocket science trying to understand why Washington is fragmenting Middle East governments.

  16. Anonymous[680] • Disclaimer says:
    @RebelWriter

    I think he meant through commerce. Presumably, lots of small transfers to lots of private companies all over Africa.

    He was a bit vague as to how to implement it though.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  17. One picture of a naked small girl badly burnt by napalm ended the Vietnam war.
    The USA military learned the lesson, during the Iraq war no journalists anywhere.
    What they had not anticipated was Saddam allowing western tv crews in.
    The myth of smart bombs was destroyed.

  18. @gustafus21

    “Money should flow to Africa”

    Very little evidence that money to Africa has any other effect than making the local rulers rich, and providing western firms with projects that accomplish nothing.
    To improve Africa, I suppose colonialism should be re introduced, temporarily.
    For how long ?
    Maybe a hundred years.

  19. Kiza says:

    A few days ago we saw Palestinians – men, women, children, – being shot at by Israeli snipers because they wanted to leave their concentration camp of Gaza. Did the people who love immigration say anything in their support? No, they know better that their Jewish organisers won’t approve that.

    Yes, this is the most valuable sentence in the whole generally good article.

    The starting point of any discussion on uncontrolled immigration must be cui bono, because it sure as hell is not a random matter. It is also blatantly clear that those who “bono” that is benefit from the uncontrolled immigration are the ones putting manipulative photos in the media and not all of them are Jews. As a side, it is interesting to read that that Mr Shamir considers Jews to be photo-sociopaths. Schwartz & Co NGOs are the main public organs of those who benefit, including the corresponding parts of the USUK Deep State who made Mr Schwartz into their billionaire.

    Ok, so the weakness of this article is only that it does not mention that war and mayham are the chief cause of uncontrolled immigration, although it could fall under the article’s broader theme of exploitation.

    The scheme is really relatively simple and is a typical AngloZionist closed-system perpetuum mobile money-making scheme:
    - advocate wars for the expansion of Israel
    - earn fantastic profits from selling weapons to the Western governments (MIC) to fight wars for Israel
    - through war and killing acquire other people’s oil, water and fertile land for Israel
    - create waves of migration and slaves
    - earn profits from “managing” illegal migration
    - earn profits from cheap migrant labour
    - recycle and repeat.
    Thus, the chosen ones do not earn profit once, then the profit keeps multiplying as in an echo chamber.

    The Western left/liberals are compromised, corrupted and hypocritical beyond imagination. It only consists of the dumb and the profiteers.

  20. Wally says:
    @RebelWriter

    Indeed.
    African chiefs urged to apologise for slave trade
    Nigerian civil rights group says tribal leaders’ ancestors sold people to slavers and should say sorry

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/18/africans-apologise-slave-trade

    exc.:
    “African chiefs were the ones waging war on each other and capturing their own people and selling them. If anyone should apologise it should be the African chiefs.”

  21. Anon[427] • Disclaimer says:

    Mr Shamir counsels us to take care not to be manipulated when being shown atrocity images, as we are obviously being manipulated.

    Then, in the next paragraph, he says:

    “Recently a video from Libya has been delivered to Europe: the Coast Guard soldiers whip the black migrants to the rubber boats and push them into the sea. Those who remain in the camps are sold in the auction, women – for sex, men – for hard work. etc etc”

    WTF?

  22. One question that is not often asked is why are millions of people fleeing their home countries in the first place? They risk death, injury and degradation to work at low paid jobs in the West, at the bottom of the social hierarchy. Imperial wars that destroy entire nations, international “trade” deals like NAFTA and the TPP that put corporate rights ahead of national sovereignty and organizations like the World Bank and IMF that facilitate the plunder of poor nations on behalf of transnational crony capitalists might have something to do with people putting their lives on the line for a chance to live a dignified life.

    I completely agree that open borders and globalization are designed to subvert national sovereignty and bring down the nation state, thus paving the way for bankers and corporate CEOs to rule the world even more than they already do. This needs to be addressed and stopped. Ditto the wars displacing millions of people on behalf of the Empire and its MIC, so the West can steal the resources it needs to continue living beyond its means (and to enable a certain country’s quest for Lebensraum and to pursue its ethnic cleansing project without pesky neighboring states interfering).

    But blaming the people who bear the brunt of these policies for packing up and heading west is not much different than smug and smarmy coastal elites blaming “deplorables” for the destruction globalization has wrought on “flyover” America and voting Trump into office. In both cases the victims of deliberate government policies are demonized for actions they took to better their lot. And of course humans have been migrating to greener pastures, real and imagined, since the dawn of humanity. This is not going to change.

    The situation is a mess. Globalists, disingenuously, say Europeans can make the Mediterranean a moat surrounding Fortress Europe and Americans can wall themselves off from Mexico thereby letting thousands of desperate people drown or die in the desert…or they must follow the globalist’s lead and do away with borders altogether and let everyone and anyone into their soon to be obsolete nation states. Unfortunately nationalists seem to be fine with letting their opponents frame the debate and while not explicitly advocating a let em’ die policy that is what building a fortress (or a wall) implies.

    Migrants cannot simply be wished away. Ethnic nationalism is no longer a feasible solution for Western countries. A world without borders is equally ridiculous and unfeasible. So what to do? To start, the liberal left would need to ditch its globalist pipe dream and the right would need to stop fearfully obsessing over xenophobia and isolationism…and both sides would need to take economic reality seriously. This would only be a first step but I just can’t see it happening any time soon. A return to Keynesian middle-class prosperity of the 1945-1975 variety, as some on the non-mainstream left advocate, is also a pipe dream that would be impossible to implement given today’s “permacrisis” capitalism.

    Probably what will happen is the polarization and division that we know today will become even more entrenched and “solutions” will continue to be based on surface analysis and wishful thinking. We will muddle along from crisis to crisis with unpredictable outbreaks of savagery and state sanctioned violence across the globe that will increase migration. In the West tensions between migrants/immigrants and the underclass created by globalization will continue, eventually turning violent. Income inequality will continue increasing and the economy will remain weak and crisis prone. All out civil war is, for the time being, unlikely as there is currently no popular ideology to rival global capitalism. Whatever the case it is going to be rough going. (And we will get to see if the effects of climate change are going to be as catastrophic as scientists would have us believe…now that should be interesting given that the military is already predicting many millions of people becoming displaced as rivers dry up, sea levels rise etc.)

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Biff
  23. President Trump is making a scapegoat out of illegal immigrants. It’s an easy tactic because after all, anyone who does anything illegal must be bad, right?

    Trump fights the bad guys!

    I see with my own eyes every morning illegal immigrants hanging outside Home Depot. These evil men are waiting to be picked up for work. Imagine that. Criminal illegal aliens looking to go earn an honest paycheck from the sweat of their brow. Oh the horror of it all.

    Just one thing. Please, please white business owners, those of you within the building trades, quit hiring illegals as carpenters and framers. They don’t know what the hell they are doing. Use the illegal help to fetch materials, clean up etc… Leave the skilled labor to the white guys who know how to build.

    Oh yeah, I’ve never seen a black guy hanging outside Home Depot hoping to be picked up for work.

    Thank you and have a nice day.

  24. TG says:

    Kudos. Well said.

    One quibble: agreed that a focus should be on making third-world countries prosperous, but the notion that this could be affected by monetary subsidies etc. is simply wrong.

    Bottom line: Malthus was right. When people have many more children than they can support, this creates not wealth (how can it, really?) but brutal crushing poverty.

    The best thing we could do for the third world is speak the truth: people who choose to breed to like rodents, will live and die like rodents. Harsh, but accurate. However, admitting that Malthus was right would mean admitting that all those third world refugees flooding into the first world are creating poverty, and that, for reasons so well described here, will not do.

  25. anon[317] • Disclaimer says:
    @bob klinck

    bitcoin technology is reaching to that goal.

    Soon nobody on earth will be able to reference their real estate, patents, copyrights or private service contracts..to the currency of a nation state.. instead it will be linked to the value of gold as the china and russian Cypto currency technologies mature.. what’s neat about these technologies is that any two persons can develop a trading system, establish its value basis in gold, or numbers of bacterium on the end of a pencil, make the trades and exchanges between them, and shut down the entire system tell the tax man night night, tell the politician find your salary somewhere else. see ya

    @ drapetomanic its not government per se people want, it is that they are born into a structure and do not know how to climb out of it. All human experience of earth is in accord with the cellular structure that affords the few their massive wealth and power. The cellular nature of the nation state system.. allows to divide the people of the world in teams (I call them hate groups) by placing them in named cells (the nation state of their residence).. Whenever a structure, methods and functions can be applied to that structure.. it is these methods and functions invented by the Pharaohs in charge of the nation state coaches that have made life so uncomfortable on earth.

    Something better is coming.. without centralized control over the economy.and without nation state governments to block, deny or promote the wares of their particular nations. the world will be in true free trade..those million or so few, who have used structure to maintain their power are about to discover they are powerless against 8 billion; moreover the 8 billion are more experienced at suvival than are the million Pharaohs. Without copyright, patents, land ownership rights, public goods and services privatized, governments to create massively powerful corporations, to impose rules of law, to maintain military capable to break the legs of those who do not submit to the structure or abide by the orders of those few with the power, the world is going to be very different.

  26. Why the Gypsies, Israel? Jews and Romas show up in Europe roughly about the same time and Nazis/Hitler had congenital hatred for both, yet the Jews have made out like bandits in the last seventy years while Django is reduced to stealing chickens. And the Jew went from being the proverbial antichrist to being one can take antisemites to task with the state machinery to no end. A Christian albeit a converr is supposed to show mercy but looks as if you are still a closeted member of the Tribe… what gives?

  27. nickels says:

    Stop the American war machine, and then bring back colonialism and stable paternal governments, for the good of mankind.

  28. neutral says:

    pictures of Jewish commissars raping an Aryan blonde pushed the German lads to premature death at the banks of Volga River

    No, they knew what they were really fighting for, the nightmare world we now inhabit was warned about in Mein Kampf.

  29. @Guy Smiley

    These evil men are waiting to be picked up for work. Imagine that. Criminal illegal aliens looking to go earn an honest paycheck from the sweat of their brow. Oh the horror of it all.

    I know, it drives down wages. Just ask Cesar Chavez. Horror.

    • Replies: @Sollipsist
  30. JustJeff says:

    There really is nothing new under the sun

  31. Rurik says:
    @Lincoln Blockface Squarebeard III

    Migrants cannot simply be wished away. Ethnic nationalism is no longer a feasible solution for Western countries

    ESAD Ms. Spectre

    we’ll see about that

  32. It is heart-renting to see a picture of small kids beyond the bars.

    Lets say someone runs a day-care center. A parent drops off a child at 9:00 am. They come back at 3:00 pm to pick him up and are told the child is no longer present. The parent asks where the child is and is told the child wandered out the door around noon and walked down the street in a northerly direction. The angry parent asks why he did nothing to prevent children from leaving.

    The proprietor recoils in horror. “You want me to imprison the children here? Do you want me to lock the doors? Do you want me to enclose the property with a chain link fence? Do you want to keep children in … cages?

    • LOL: Daniel Chieh
  33. 36 ulster says:

    Actually, it was French youth who risked–and often lost–their lives in the “tranches” at Verdun. Along with a similar German casualty count. Mr. Shamir no doubt meant to mention the Battle of the Somme as the scene of “English” sacrifice, though many of those soldiers were Irish, from the Catholic South and from Irish communities in the rest of the UK. And one of the divisions involved was the 36th, from the North. And, of course, there were Welsh and Scottish units who served. No corner of the Empire went unscathed. Finally, Mr. Shamir is right; keep emotionalism out of discourse. I know, futile. But in the face of cry-me-a-river politics, we can be reminded of a favorite attributed to Oscar Wilde: “One would have to have a heart of stone not to laugh.”

  34. Rurik says:

    the Syrian boy photo was staged

    how many of Yemen’s children are starving to death as I write this, as a direct consequence of the actions of the ZUS government, with the full complicity of Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters, Paul Ryan and all the rest of the hypocritical scum in Hollywood and Washington, DC?

    How many pictures of those starving children are shown in the Western press? Or, as Mr. Shamir points out, those Palestinians who’re being shot by snipers, with bullets paid for by the ZUSA tax slave.

    Most of the Third World migrants descending upon the West, (Mexican in particular), are not coming due to wars waged against them, but because of the short-sighted greed and corruption of their home nations.

    But when it comes to the Palestinians, who’s plight is due directly to the treasonous treachery of the Z-American government, the media is thunderously silent.

    But a policy to defend America’s borders from armies of economic migrants, that separates the adult criminals from children, so that the children are not interred with the criminal adults, is screeched from every media bullhorn on the planet.

    And the (((agenda))) is transparent.

    Zionism means two things simultaneously.

    A Nazi-type of racial purity and genocide of targeted people and imperial theft of their land and resources for Jewish supremacists in Israel (funded by the American and German tax slave)….

    ….while at the same time, all Western nations (and only Western nations) must with all due haste, destroy their own ethnic identity and culture in a mass-suicidal, civilization-ending support for armies of invading hoards of non-Westerners. Again, funded by the American and German (and French and British, etc..) tax slave.

    these are the two sides of the blade of Zionism. The Fiend.

  35. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    A useful deconstruction of the globalist lies that smooth the way for those engaged in the genocide of the European people by flooding their homelands with people of an alien race and culture who know nothing of the rights of man or of Jeffersonian liberalism, and who have not the slightest concern for Western civilization, but who seek only a place of settlement where they can propagate their own kind subject to the tyranny of Ignorance, Islam, Hinduism, or Voodoo, and the other traditions of the failed states from which they spring.

    Ron Unz is to be applauded for publishing such naked truth.

  36. edNels says:

    Oh cry them eyes out there about all the tragedies!

    Pictures to make us cry, and donate, ill treated dogs and horses are effective!

    Didn’t anybody get the MEMO? the world is overrun already. Thimk ahead… GLUT of unwanted underemployed humanoids of all persuasions, and their goody goody handler volunteers, and it’s about time for one of the cycles to kick in, but the new Pair of Dimes, won’t allow, and the world marches on to a greater instability.

    Or IOW’s… too much population with too little attrition of conventional historic dimensions, not nice, but unless there is a beneficial form of euthanasia there will be a less orderly format and it is never really completely acceptable to all…

    No, you’re going to need to have a highly respected figure beyond anything now in evidence, really a superman kind of leader to the next stage who can say with the necessary plausibility to gain the confidence of the worlds people who will explain the dire circumstances, and tell them that he will do right… that he is the one…

    He will say with a straight face: “I am the DECIDER.”

    • Replies: @Wyatt Pendleton
  37. Very sober view. I wish most Europeans would see through the manipulation of the elites, be it with pictures or words. Unfortunately, these elites own the MSM, and the stories in those MSM range from lies to blatant lies. Yet the suckers gobble them up. If this does not stop, that would be European collective suicide. Maybe it’s just a Darwinian event: the survival of the fittest.

  38. To CanSpeccy,

    I think you meant “bombed and destroyed states”.

    The term “failed state” is a propaganda phrase used to justify our invasions. You know, we are invading for a good noble purpose to help these people because their state “failed”.

    You may have used it innocently. But it is a technique of propaganda to insert these words into our language and thoughts. “Failed states”, “War on Terror”, “Sadam’s spider hole”, “smart bombs” – the list is almost endless, and when debate is infected by these phrases the meaning of language, reasoning, and communication are corrupted.

    When you hear these types of shortcut phrases being used all over the media, you know there is a well financed and well implemented campaign of propaganda to insert these loaded phrases into our thoughts and language to manipulate our abilities to reason. When you see this happening on a large scale, you have to wonder who does control the media.

    As one expert in this weapon of war stated:

    “And in England they understood one more thing: that this spiritual weapon can succeed only if it is applied on a tremendous scale, but that success amply covers all costs.”

    Propaganda is very powerful stuff, and you ignore it at your own peril.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @CanSpeccy
  39. Moi says:
    @WorkingClass

    True. But I know of no spray for curing insanity.

  40. @Robert Magill

    I am not trying to exonerate the US, but Europeans are certainly not the knights in shining armor, either. Without European participation the destruction of Libya, Ukraine, or Syria won’t be possible. It’s just that the Europeans that suffer are not the elites who perpetrated these crimes. Still, if Europeans claim that they have democracy, they are guilty of bringing to power criminals in the UK who organized the Skripal provocation, as well as criminals in the UK and Netherlands that keep pretending that they believe in the guilt of Russia and Donetsk People’s Republic in shooting down MH17, whereas this false-flag operation was conducted (ham-handedly) by Ukies, likely following (ineptly) a CIA blueprint. So, dear Europeans, if you want to save your countries and yourselves, wake up and open your eyes. Remember, your presumably elected governments enthusiastically demonized Ghaddafi, Assad, and Putin, and this demonization was used as a pretext for the crimes that lead to the refugee crisis you are facing.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  41. @Guy Smiley

    The fact that European elite owning everything in Mexico/Latin America and leave the Indians in horrendous poverty is not a problem Europeans in America can ultimately deal with.

  42. Duncan says:

    God only knows how this all going to end.
    It’s going to be very interesting, here in America to see how long our government’s social service system can handle taking in a million people a year (legally).
    I see a great global recession on the horizon. And large parts of America will be permanently transformed into Detroit.
    This is one of most insightful of Mr. Shamir’s article I’ve come across.

  43. Wally says:
    @Tulips

    What proof is there that these ‘immigrants’ are actually victims of US & it’s allies aggression?

    I suggest that the vast majority are using that as an excuse.

    Why would they want to come to the very countries that supposedly ’caused them so much pain’?

    • Replies: @animalogic
  44. Wally says:
    @RebelWriter

    The more money sent to sh-thole Africa, the more African’s dumb & ignorant behavior is enabled.

  45. @Tulips

    The European people did not want war or refugees. That’s why they’re voting in “populist” governments in now who have nothing to do with the wars created.

  46. @gustafus21

    Agree, let them take care of themselves. Give them no aid, and sink their refugee boats. After a few boats were left to sink in the med the refugees would get it pretty quick…

    These people only understand strength.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  47. Rurik says:
    @flashlight joe

    The term “failed state” is a propaganda phrase used to justify our invasions.

    there is no invasion of Mexico, a failed state due to its own corruption and stupidity.

    It is from Mexico that most of these economic invaders hail from, who’re bringing their children to use as propaganda weapons.

    Sweden did not invade the Muslim world, but they’re expected to fund an invasion of their ancient lands, repudiate their proud history and plunge their society into eternal strife and ethnic, cultural divisions, in order to blend away all semblance of Swedes from the planet. To do otherwise would be racist, at least as we’re harangued by the Barbara Spectres of the world.

    The guilt for the serial war crimes of England, France, ZUSA and their master – Israel-

    -belong to those treasonous politicians and their lackeys. That’s who deserved to be gang raped by Muslim thugs. And there’s nothing I’d love more than for that very thing to happen.

    Not British school girls – for the crimes of Netanyahoo, Bush, Blair, Obama and the rest.

    I see this deflection of blame all the time. ‘The American and British working class need to be ground into the dirt and bashed on the rocks of diversity for what they’ve done!!!!’

    Carefully ignoring the fact that the working class Brits or Yanks had nothing to do with any of these wars, unless it’s their children, without hope or option- who were dying in them, or subsequently committing suicide, unable to live with the evil they’ve been forced to perpetrate on behalf of the Fiend.

    But it’s easier to attack Joe Sixpack, because he’s powerless and reviled. A bit harder to aim your wrath at the Jewish supremacists and traitors in your own governments.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  48. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @flashlight joe

    I think you meant “bombed and destroyed states”.

    Balls. No one is bombing Nigeria, yet there were 88,378 of them resident in the UK as of 2011, with many more since. Then there are 1.17 million Pakistanis in Britain which, apart from the odd CIA drone strike on a wedding party, is not being bombed. Then there are the Indians the Bangladeshis, and about 100 other nationalities — people whose homelands deserve to keep the best the breed, not have them zip over to Europe for the sake of a slight improvement in standard of living achieved by cleaning bedpans and driving buses abroad instead of serving the public at home.

  49. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @AnonFromTN

    but Europeans are certainly not the knights in shining armor, either.

    So what. Are you gonna say next, well actually the European Jews exterminated by the Nazis “were not exactly knights in shining armor, either”?

    When you’re people are being exterminated, it’s time to get real, not indulge in girlish dialectics.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  50. @CanSpeccy

    Getting real means seeing the causes of events, rather than keeping your eyes clouded by propaganda. Is there democracy in Europe? If there is, Europeans are guilty of bringing criminals to power. If there isn’t, Europeans are guilty of believing that there is democracy in their countries and repeating this lie to others. Like, in the US “democracy” is a pure ruse, even the US constitution was essentially nullified by the “Patriot Act”. So here the people claiming that there is democracy and human rights in the US are guilty of lying and empowering elite scum. The more people open their eyes, the greater the chances of them making their society better. This is very simple and has nothing to do with dialectics, girlish or otherwise.

  51. Rurik says:

    So here the people claiming that there is democracy and human rights in the US are guilty of lying and empowering elite scum. The more people open their eyes,

    if their “eyes clouded by propaganda”, then how can they be guilty?

    Occasionally I’ll bring up Pat Tillman, because his ‘eyes were clouded by propaganda’ (as were hundreds of millions of others) and he believed our government and media when they said Muslim fanatics did 9/11, and so he left his wife and idyllic life and multi-millionaire career as a sports superstar, and went off to kill the cowardly bastards who attacked us.

    Was he guilty of something (other than heroism)? Because if he was, he was no more guilty than millions of otherwise innocent people today who still believe the ubiquitous lies.

    Blaming him for the Eternal War, (and mass-immigration and the corruption and stupidity of the Third World) seems a bit much, no?

    Are people to blame when they’ve been lied to – for generations and by every fecal government politician and (((media))) outlet known during their entire lives?

    if a man spends his entire life in Plato’s cave, is he to blame for being mistaken about the only ‘reality’ he knows?

    • Replies: @edNels
    , @bjondo
  52. @Hippopotamusdrome

    Funny how little Cesar got kinda buried while the multicultural bulldozer was busy unearthing obscure inventors and entertainers. I’ll bet we won’t even get a Google Doodle on his birthday.

  53. Svigor says:
    @Drapetomaniac

    For nationalists, how other people govern themselves is of little concern. There is some motivation to spread nationalism beyond the borders in order to ensure that, for example, the anti-nationalist misanthropes known as leftists don’t force their system onto the nation by any means necessary. But it is held firmly in check by the desire to put one’s own people first.

  54. Svigor says:
    @Robert Magill

    People who refuse to defend themselves and their property will inevitably be conquered and dispossessed.

  55. L.A. says:

    ”The Africans could and did find jobs in Gaddafi’s Libya. But in 2011, the country was destroyed by Obama and Clinton.”

    Libya DESTROYED by NATO MONTERS, more than $100 BILLIONS Libyan assets STOLEN by the US, UK, France, and the European Union.:

    Libya Slaves, DOJ Forensics, Deleted Fake News – New World Next Week

    Libya v. Goldman Sachs – Geneva Business Insider

    Interview 898 – Libya Update with James and JoAnne Moriarty and Furaj Muftah

    Libya War: What They Don’t Want You to Know

    Interview 855 – Faraj Muftah Describes the Fall of Libya

    Interview 849 – James and JoAnne Moriarty Reveal the Truth About the Libyan War

    https://www.corbettreport.com/?s=libya

    With the Libyan war, like so many wars before it, the public was lied to just enough to convince them that war was necessary to maintain peace. And now that the real mission has been accomplished and Libya’s gold has been stolen and its central bank has been established and its AFRICOM-resisting leader has been killed and it has been established as an operations base for NATO’s Al-CIAda mercenaries, the political misleaders who started the war couldn’t care less about the lives of the Libyan people. Find out more about what’s happening in Libya today in this week’s Eyeopener report.

  56. Biff says:
    @Lincoln Blockface Squarebeard III

    One question that is not often asked is why are millions of people fleeing their home countries in the first place?

    Except for the brain dead it is quite simple:

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

  57. epnngg says:
    @gustafus21

    gustafus21, may you find one of those bombs dropped in your own backyard as you’re
    grilling Tyson factory chicken you waddled into your local Walmart to pick up wearing your extra-large pale green tie-dye shirt and massive red sports shorts loosely hanging down past your
    knobby, pale knees. What a racist loser you truly are! Losing a few of your kind wouldn’t hurt the world either. Me thinks you think too highly of yourself.

  58. @Rurik

    POLISH RETIREES IN DETROIT (A Similar Situation)

    Of all the groups in Detroit, the one that was really stuck were the Polish retirees. The so-called “hillbillies” merely returned South, the educated middle-class Anglo-Saxons and Jews fled Detroit (And often the state itself).

    But the Polish-American finds themselves in a house for which they worked their entire life whose property value is worth absolutely nothing. He could not give it away. The Anglo-Saxon middle-class engineers and Jewish lawyers etc sold out and moved from Detroit because of a fairly fluid skill set.

    So these few poor Polish-Americans are stuck in Detroit. Most of the time, their kids simply allow them to join them as their children did in fact flee. It comes down to a life or death situation where 40 miles of highway makes the difference.

    At any rate, it is the blue-collar whites who will suffer the most. Always. Those people who are hard-working and law-abiding but started a family at age 20 and do not have a college degree.

    Their kids will attend bad public schools where the blacks will beat up on them. Their daughters will become single mothers to the children of black thugs who will never pay a penny. Another son will end up a hopeless crackhead or heroin addict and a jailbird.

    WORKING CLASS JEWS

    An interesting feature is that the policies of Jewish pundits or politicians often have the worst effect on their own working-class. This has always been the case is the United States since the Riots of the 1960′s, when poor Jewish Deli Owners and Pawn Shop operators etc were driven from Detroit, LA etc. The same thing happens in Paris, because of Sarkozy. Parisian Jews are most affected.

    RAW CAPITALISM’S IQ TESTS

    The blue-collar whites in Detroit or other rust-belt areas generally either find a way to shift their geography 40 miles or they suffer consequences. Those that suffer the worst consequences are the ones who simply don’t have a penny to their name or the skills to move 40 miles away.

    These include-

    1) Young parents
    2) Druggies
    3) Those on probation or parole
    4) The unskilled
    5) The old and infirm

    As amazing as it sounds, Ann Arbor for example is only 40 minutes by road away from Detroit. If you can move there, or anywhere near there, you’ll be fine.

    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
    , @Rurik
  59. @Anonymous

    “I think he meant through commerce”
    Yes, I agree.
    It’s about fair trade & productive, long term foreign investment.
    However, at least two problems.
    One – such trade/investment etc is hardly encouraged in the current neoliberal globalist moment.
    Two: some countries are so corrupt (or ungovernable – say, Somalia) that doing “honest” business with them is nigh on impossible.

  60. @Wally

    Revenge ?
    Poetic justice ?
    Desperation ?
    A developed sense of humour/irony ?
    An undeveloped sense of direction ?
    A people trafficker who takes frequent flyer points ?
    A walk to the shop that just got out of control ?
    A monomaniacal desire to destroy western civilisation ?
    Opportunities for themselves & their kids ?
    Free welfare ?
    A desire for more & better strip malls ?
    A desire to drive cabs & clean bathrooms ?
    Slavery ?
    “Oh damn, I left my passport in my other suit?”
    Fuck knows ?

  61. @Jeff Stryker

    Jewish Deli Owners and Pawn Shop operators aren’t working class.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  62. @Israel Shamir

    ISRAEL

    They could hardly be classified as being among the wealthy or the oligarchy.

    Let’s call them middle-class business proprietors.

  63. Rurik says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    So these few poor Polish-Americans are stuck in Detroit.

    as I’ve mentioned, I know a little about the area.

    As anyone who knows about Detroit can tell you, the Polish town was Hamtramck.

    the blue-collar city that has been home to Polish Catholic immigrants and their descendents for more than a century became what demographers think is the first jurisdiction in the nation to elect a majority-Muslim council.

    The influx of Muslims here has profoundly unsettled some residents of the town long known for its love of dancing, beer, paczki pastries and the pope.

    “It’s traumatic for them,” said Majewski, a dignified-looking woman in a brown velvet dress, her long, silvery hair wound in a loose bun.

    And while Majewski advocated to allow mosques to issue calls to prayer, she understands why some longtime residents are struggling to adjust to the sound that echos through the city’s streets five times each day..

    “The Polish people think we were invading them,” said Masud Khan, one of the mosque’s leaders, recalling that time in an interview earlier this month. “We were a big threat to their religion and culture. Now their days are gone.”

    The mosque, which attracts about 500 people for its Friday prayer services, has purchased a neighboring vacant limestone building in the heart of the city that once was a furniture store. The mosque’s leaders plan to put a minaret — a spire — on the building and use it to continue broadcasting a call to prayer five times a day.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/for-the-first-majority-muslim-us-city-residents-tense-about-its-future/2015/11/21/45d0ea96-8a24-11e5-be39-0034bb576eee_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.ee5b699fdb25

    a snap shot of what this has meant for housing prices

    Estimated median house or condo value in 2016: $57,915 (it was $73,600 in 2000)

    Hamtramck:
    $57,915
    MI:
    $147,100

    Read more: http://www.city-data.com/city/Hamtramck-Michigan.html#ixzz5JXPJcB1T

    Michigan’s government recently joined a list of treasonous scum to make it illegal to do business with companies or individuals unless they prove that they do not, and will not ever boycott Israel.

    Michigan’s legislators are not in love with Muslims. Not hardly. But what they are in love with is shekel$.

    So, if you want to transform a working class town, with a proud Polish American heritage, into a Muslim enclave, that ruins the otherwise humble lives of America’s White working class, then simply shovel enough shekel$ into the corrupt governments, and voila!

    Whitey gets fucked again!

    Such a deal!

    My advise it to leave these shores. You’re not going to be able to escape the Fiend by moving 40 minutes away. You might find a nicer city, but then Ann Arbor is very pricy

    Estimated median house or condo value in 2016: $297,700 (it was $178,500 in 2000)

    Read more: http://www.city-data.com/city/Ann-Arbor-Michigan.html#ixzz5JXTC0Yds

    And the bar scene is nice, but you’re surrounded by Detroit, with Pontiac a few miles away.

    Have you ever smelled the inside of an Arab convenience store in Pontiac?

  64. Ben Frank says:

    The elites are now pushing Open Borders and anybody who disagrees must be called Nazi.

    Wake up America the elites want you enslaved!

  65. Unswayed says:

    The author is LYING BY OMISSION.

    “The European NGO’s pick up rubber boats with migrants sent by Milad, take the migrants on board and deliver them to Europe, making a very decent profit. These “rescuers” directly cooperate with Milad and other slavers, they receive exact instructions from the “senders” where to pick up the boats, and they take a considerable share of the profit.”

    Jews are sponsoring the refugee crisis, physically assisting millions of Muslims into Europe. Here is a documentary with all primary-sources. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb0a6HeLYIY

    • Replies: @artichoke
  66. edNels says:
    @Rurik

    Pat surely had much more to sacrifice than most but that doesn’t mean he could see through to the true situation any better. That’s the telling part of it.

    He only had more to loose. Maybe what he had wasn’t all it was cooked up to be looking from the outside in. That is, hidden realities going with celebrity in general. Undoubtedly he was honorably motivated, but that is anachronism to real world.

    Anybody including privileged elite can be trapped in bubbles and distortions and not see through propaganda even as much as some poor no options guy.
    Too, being a success demands to believe in the BS more completely to begin with!

    What an awful wake up call: ” Hey! I’m F’n Pat T__________… ” BLAM kakaka BLAM.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  67. Rurik says:
    @edNels

    Undoubtedly he was honorably motivated, but that is anachronism to real world.

    nothing I would hold against him

    most people believed what they told us immediately following the WTC attack. That he had more to lose by walking away from his life, is I believe even more reason to laud what he did.

    of course we can’t know everything, but from what’s been said by his family, and how his life has been poured over, it sure looks like he was doing just fine..

    Too, being a success demands to believe in the BS more completely to begin with!

    Don’t know about that. Seems to me that the most “successful” people are the ones slinging the bullshit.

    and then once Pat figured it out, that the wars were a fraud, they murdered him, and then lied about it.

    Maybe if you’re successful, you try to rationalize events like that, in order to cling to some illusion that the society you’re living in is somehow legit, and worthy. And I suppose, on some level, it can be.

    But when it comes to illegal and immoral Eternal Wars of aggression against innocent nations and people, based on obvious (by now) lies, intended as a way of bolstering our enemy at the expense of the American people, and its myriad victims, then rationalizing doesn’t always work so well.

    I suspect this is why so many veterans are snuffing it. Out of sheer despair for having been used like a cheap Janissary to fight other people’s wars for them. When all along they were fighting the wrong enemy.

    Kind of like what Gen. Patton must have felt as he surveyed the smoking ashes of Germany, and watched as the Red Army rapists descended upon these brutalized civilians, raping every female in sight, even the little children.

    What a revelation that must have been, to realize you were slaughtering off the best of Europa, and handing over its females to the tender mercy of savage orcs.

    Even as Eisenhower was putting its teenage boys, by the millions into death camps. To die of exposure and starvation.

    This must be what our American GIs must face when they realize the evils they’ve perpetrated, and on (((whose))) behalf with the fraudulent ‘war on terror’.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Avery
  68. @Rurik

    I thought that only kids believe in fairy tales, and only small ones, at that. And here is an ostensible adult, grown up enough to understand that the “war on terror” was and is a ruse, believing in mass rapes perpetrated by the Red Army. This tale comes from the same liars who were and are selling you the stories of Iraq WMDs, brutal Ghaddafy, brutal Assad, brutal Putin, dangerous Un, etc. Tooth fairy was invented by a lot more benign liars.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  69. Avery says:
    @Rurik

    {…. and watched as the Red Army rapists descended upon these brutalized civilians, raping every female in sight, even the little children.}

    And of course those noble Nazi invaders – sorry, Liberators – brought flowers and cookies to ‘liberated’ Slavic village girls and young women, after terminally ‘liberating’ their brothers, fathers, uncles, cousins, etc, from their miserable existence in the Soviet Union. Not a single Slavic woman was raped or mistreated by the noble (alleged) ‘Aryan’ guests.

    And that so-called ‘Siege of Leningrad’? Communist propaganda and lies: the population of Leningrad was eager to welcome the Liberators with the traditional bread & salt, but the evil commissars surrounded the city of 3 million, and would not let the hapless people of Leningrad to go out and meet their ‘liberators’. About 1 million civilians of Leningrad lost their lives needlessly: starved to death, killed during aviation bombing raids, artillery shells,….their own damn fault.

    Heil Hitler!
    Sieg Heil!

  70. Russia is not specially welcoming to migrants…

    Unfortunately, she is not specially welcoming to native Russian babies, either.

  71. bjondo says:
    @Rurik

    Tillman woke up got 3 rounds to his head.
    So many wake up then somehow die.

    #64/ Not familiar with Arab convenience stores in Pontiac. Couple I’ve been to in Florida were nice. Went couple times a week for exotic items. Sweets aroma dominated stores. Bought lots of sweets. Very nice. Same in several ME countries. Different levels of cleanliness. The nicer shops are the equal of any in the West. Of course the lower end stores might be similar to your experience in Pontiac.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Rurik
  72. @bjondo

    Muslims are a LITTLE better behaved in the United States, at least in dispersal.

    For all the accusations of xenophobia, gun-nuts, European peasant roots, police abuse-it holds the Muslims in the US in check.

    Not many Pakistanis in NYC, where there are a good number, want to roam Italian and Irish neighborhoods trying to “groom” 12 year old daughters of police officers and mob-connected restaurant owners.

    Nor, I suspect, would they want to try their luck in the South.

    Partly this is simply vetting through distance. The Muslims in the US go through some sort of immigration procedure. Same as Hispanics in Europe. A Swede whose neighbor is from Argentina would not understand the US immigration problem.

    There is also a great deal of pressure in the US to assimilate.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  73. Rurik says:
    @bjondo

    Couple I’ve been to in Florida were nice. Went couple times a week for exotic items. Sweets aroma dominated stores.

    I’ve been to the Arab owned stores in Florida as well, and they’re universally unkempt.

    I have nothing against Arabs, but I don’t understand why so many small town convenience stores are so often owned by these people. I suspect it’s some government program. A little store can be in some remote part of the country, without an Arab community for a hundred miles, but the little convenience store is owned by Arabs (or Indians or Pakistanis, whatever). And they don’t have sweet aromas. At least not the ones I’ve been to.

    But then I don’t always travel in courtly circles, so perhaps it’s just what I’ve seen in the seedier parts of town. I’m sure Harrods is well appointed.

  74. Rurik says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Nor, I suspect, would they want to try their luck in the South.

    Delicate Europeans (especially Brits and Swedes) are more subject to the dictates of their respective governments and ((media)) than we Americans.

    Most Americans have real-life experience with diversity, up close and personal.

    Anyone who’s lived at or near a place like Detroit can attest. Swedes have zero experience like that, and their only perception of a Negro comes to them from Hollywood movies and ads, so they all assume that Most Negros are like Obama, only smarter and more civilized. At least when they’re not edgy and super-cool, like Jay-Z.

    So Europeans are perfect chumps / victims, because they actually respect their government, and consider their media as honest and unbiased. They’re the supreme dupes.

    Also Europeans don’t have the American experience or history, like the conflicts with the ‘Indians’, or the history of black slavery in our back yard, and all the other troubles that have forged modern America out of the crucible of racial and cultural strife.

    The closest thing Europeans know of such things are the Muslim invasions from the south. Serbians and Hungarians know, but Swedes, not so much.

    So your average Brit is so brainwashed and conforming, that when his leaders tell him that it would be racist to notice that his thirteen year old daughter is being raped by Pakistani Muslim men, he chokes back his instinctive desire to protect her, and puts his rage down to vile racism. ‘Why oh God, did you make me so racist?!’ I want to kill those bastards for what they’re doing to my little girl, and I don’t know how to get this racism out of my evil white male soul!!!’

    Americans don’t operate that way.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  75. @Rurik

    Tell you what, I was in Rome recently, and the only grocery stores that worked dawn to sunset were Arab-run little stores. Both were clean and did not smell of anything untoward, both were selling everything we needed, including good fruits and vegetables (you can’t find anything this good and real in the US: tomatoes smelled and tasted like tomatoes, not like silage; cherries smelled and tasted like cherries, etc.), as well as alcoholic beverages (e.g., prosecco). Rome would be a lot less user-friendly w/o these stores.

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  76. @Rurik

    It might be news to you, but in this Russians are a lot closer to Americans than to Europeans. If gangs of blacks and Muslims tried to grope women in the US like they did in Cologne and some other European cities on New Year’s Eve, the males present would beat them up, then the police would arrive, beat them up some more, and then arrest the bastards. Exactly the same thing in exactly the same order would happen in any Russian city. Europeans are a lot more brainwashed than anyone on this planet.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  77. Rurik says:
    @AnonFromTN

    believing in mass rapes perpetrated by the Red Army. This tale comes from the same liars who were and are selling you the stories of Iraq WMDs, brutal Ghaddafy, brutal Assad, brutal Putin, dangerous Un, etc. Tooth fairy was invented by a lot more benign liars.

    oh come now AnonTN, that is all very well documented.

    and it wasn’t just Russian and Asian and other sub-human orcs, but American sub-human scum as well.

    The work, which came out in German on Monday, takes a closer look at the rape of German women by all four victorious powers at the end of World War II. In particular, though, her views on the behavior of American GIs are likely to raise eyebrows. Gebhardt believes that members of the US military raped as many as 190,000 German women by the time West Germany regained sovereignty in 1955, with most of the assaults taking place in the months immediately following the US invasion of Nazi Germany.

    The author bases her claims in large part on reports kept by Bavarian priests in the summer of 1945. The Archbishop of Munich and Freising had asked Catholic clergy to keep records on the allied advance and the Archdiocese published excerpts from its archive a few years ago.

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/book-claims-us-soldiers-raped-190-000-german-women-post-wwii-a-1021298.html

    I consider all of that very credible.

    and this GI and his fellow orcs, only had a mild contempt for the people they were brutalizing, whereas the (especially) Russian, (and Poles and other Slavs) had (as they often still have) a psychotic hatred for the Germans. And not only that, unlike American and Western soldiers, who were no doubt told not to commit the crime of rape, the Red Army rapists were exhorted to do just that. And not to only rape, but to revel in the rape and brutalization of the hated German.

    “In the German race there is nothing but evil. Use force and break the racial pride of these German women. Take them as your lawful booty. Kill!”

    — Ilya Ehrenberg, Jewish propagandist for the Stalin regime

    Millions of women and girls were thus savaged, and this is well documented.

    looking for that particular Ehrenburg quote, I stumbled upon this;

    https://mikeyy.org/2015/10/08/german-victims-how-the-allied-victors-of-wwii-tortured-and-killed-their-german-prisoners-of-war-part-2-of-2/

    lots of porn there for German haters like Avery.

    Not that Avery doesn’t make legitimate points about the atrocities visited upon Slavs and others by arrogant Nazis. That happened as well, no doubt. But the Nazis never exhorted their soldiers to rape, and it was considered a crime to do so.

    As for who was more evil, Stalin or Hitler, that one for me is easy. Because I believe that were there no Bolshevik, existential threat to Germany and beyond, then there would have been no Nazis as a response. I believe that Hitler and the Nazis came into existence as a direct response to the threat of communism taking over Germany. They existed as a repudiation of communism, and that’s why Stalin and his Jewish financiers in NYC and London knew they had to destroy Nazi Germany. Because as we all now know, communism was imperialistic, as became obvious at the end of the war, when Stalin enslaved half of Europe.

    And would have taken the other half too if it could.

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  78. Rurik says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Rome would be a lot less user-friendly w/o these stores.

    no augment here, it’s just that these stores are all over the rural and urban landscape of America, and it just seems peculiar that so many are Arab owned.

    I have to wonder if the fecal government isn’t somehow involved.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  79. Rurik says:
    @AnonFromTN

    Russians are a lot closer to Americans than to Europeans. If gangs of blacks and Muslims tried to grope women in the US like they did in Cologne and some other European cities on New Year’s Eve, the males present would beat them up,

    I think this is a Russian guy

    https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ce8_1417440370

    And I also agree with your characterization.

    The Europeans don’t seem just to be brainwashed, but emasculated as well.

    How in the hell could something like Rotherham ever have happened?

    Where were these girl’s fathers and brothers?

    Where were the men on the police force to arrest the child rapists?

    At some level, when the kommissar comes in to the police station, and orders you not to arrest child rapists if they’re members of the protected diversity, you put bullet holes in that kommissar, come what may.

    If a kommissar told an American father, (and I suspect a Russian one as well), ‘yes, your underage daughter was gang raped by Pakistani Muslims (or Mexicans or blacks or whatever protected group), but that’s just part of our new multicultural way, and you need to get used to it’. The kommissar would be found in a field. Taking a dirt nap.

    I also suspect Australians are none too keen to see their children raped by sub-humans

    here they gave the orc 55 years in prison, whereas Sweden might have given him a stern look, (and then apologized for it)

    Or Austria, where the acquitted the brutal rapist of a ten year old Austrian boy, because his rapist was a diversity man. And so it would have been racist (read Nazi) for anyone to complain.

    It seem the closer you get to the heart of Europe, the less vigorous are the men. Perhaps they simply slaughtered off too many of the best of them in the zio-world-wars.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @artichoke
  80. @Rurik

    As you should know, lots of lies are “well-documented” when they are prepared by highly qualified liars. I did not search the literature, but I know that in the Red Army (before 1943) and Soviet Army (after 1943 until the death of Stalin) any soldier or officer diagnosed with any STD was executed. That does not gibe with alleged mass rapes.
    As far as Ilya Ehrenburg goes, many of his extreme statements were not approved by the regime. In fact, Stalinist propaganda took pains to distinguish Germans from Nazis, saying that Nazis are the worst scum, whereas Germans as a nation are “working people” (likely preparing the populace to the creation of “brotherly” socialist East Germany he planned).
    BTW, that half of Europe Stalin took was handed to him by Roosevelt and Churchill as a legitimate buffer zone (they didn’t give a hoot about the people living there, just like Stalin).

    • Replies: @Avery
  81. @Rurik

    European men seem to be totally devoid of dignity. Even sheep show more self-respect. There is a joke in Germany that Putin is the last German man left alive.

  82. @Rurik

    I’ve seen Arab-run gas station here in TN (with a woman wearing a headscarf, but no veil), but very few Arab-run grocery stores in the US. Although I wouldn’t put any stupidity past our government.

  83. Rurik says:

    Red Army (before 1943) and Soviet Army (after 1943 until the death of Stalin) any soldier or officer diagnosed with any STD was executed

    well AnonTN, I just have to say I think your opinion of the Red Army is perhaps a bit romanticized.

    You admit yourself that Stalin had no love for the people of Europe, and I’ve read too many posts, both here and especially elsewhere, wherein one is rather taken aback by the visceral hatred some (usually ultra-nationalistic) Russians and Poles have for Germans. I’ve even read comments where Russians brag about how many German girls were raped, and how many seeds they sewed in Germany, regardless the method.

    If I’m not mistaken, the Berlin Airlift was in response to Stalin’s program to starve the denizens to near death. The idea that a starving person is the perfect communist sympathizer. If he was willing to starve them, and we all know he was, (just as the Americans and Brits and French had done to Germany after the monumental betrayal at the Armistice), and Stalin had less love for the Germans than even the Allies. (Who showed their love for Germans in Dresden).

    BTW, that half of Europe Stalin took was handed to him by Roosevelt and Churchill as a legitimate buffer zone (they didn’t give a hoot about the people living there, just like Stalin).

    yes, I’m aware of the demonic treachery of Churchill and FDR.

    let me ask you, the men Keelhauled at Yalta, were they to your mind traitors (including all the Cossacks and Ukrainians and Poles and others) who fought the Bolshevik fiend, (as I see it ; )

    Or were they war heroes, betrayed by Churchill and FDR, to a mass-murdering monster?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  84. republic says:
    @Rurik

    Indians from the state of Gujarat control a huge amount of the motel/hotel businesses in the US. Could be over 50%. Almost all share the same name: Patel.
    The same is true of many service stations in the US.

  85. artichoke says:
    @Robert Magill

    We didn’t cause the grief. The people of Africa caused the grief to the (same or other) people of Africa. This is 99% the case.

    I am not going to accept guilting. They use a ton of American technology which makes their lives better or less-bad. Why don’t they stay and make their own countries great? Whatever the reason is, it isn’t our problem, but theirs, and we’ll trade freely and fairly with them for mutual benefit if they wish.

    It’s astonishing that young black men leave, even knowing the chance of being put into slavery. Are the odds actually quite low? Why don’t they stay at home? They appear to be healthy, so whatever they’ve done up to now, they could keep on doing.

  86. artichoke says:
    @Rurik

    The soy-boys are in western Europe. The “heart”, as I think of it, is more eastern, with Europe on all sides, or adjacent to european Russia. And it seems that men are still men there and common sense exists, from what I hear.

  87. artichoke says:
    @Unswayed

    IsraAID is like Jewish Voice for Peace, a front for the Palestinians and their supporters. The real Jews, as it says in the documentary, are really fleeing France and other places in Europe because of the hostile influx.

    Think! What you’re saying is illogical. It’s not that Jews want to import their persecutors. But that there are many who say they are Jews but are not.

  88. @Rurik

    You say

    Stalin had no love for the people of Europe

    Stalin had no love for the people, period. Neither did Churchill. Neither did FDR, or any other US president, for that matter. Every one of the US presidents, USSR leaders, or UK prime ministers was and is a mass murderer. They call it geopolitics because territories, not people, figure in their calculations.
    I think that answers many of your other questions.
    The last one: in my book everyone who fought on Hitler’s side was a war criminal. However, so were most leaders of the Allies. BTW, you must be aware of the Volhynia massacre, where Ukrainian nationalists murdered tens of thousands of Poles, including lots of women and children, even toddlers. The photos are all over the Internet. You may not know that Polish Armia Krajowa, who also was against Stalin, committed similar crimes on somewhat smaller scale against Ukrainians. If these monsters are heroes, I am the Emperor of the East.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  89. Avery says:
    @AnonFromTN

    {BTW, that half of Europe Stalin took was handed to him by Roosevelt and Churchill…..}

    Neither Roosevelt, nor Churchill, nor anybody else handed Stalin anything.

    In 1944 when US, UK, Canada, etc landed, the Red Army was near Warsaw: in another couple of months Operation Bagration would destroy German Army Group Center and continue racing towards Berlin. Churchill* was hoping that Hilter and Stalin would destroy each other in WW2. But after the Kursk Battle it became clear that Wehrmacht was finished.
    So the landing was planned to stop the Red Army from racing all the way to the Channel.

    In 1944 the Red Army was around 16 million strong, highly experienced in titanic battles, tough as nails, with excellent generalship and officer corps, who had learned from and destroyed the best land army of the day in the world, the Wehrmacht.
    War production in USSR was at its peak: no country could have stopped the Red Army from taking Berlin. Also, since the populations of the “Allies” had been told for years that they are allies,and everybody was tired of the war, a political arrangement was made to share Berlin between the “Allies”.

    btw: re {European men seem to be totally devoid of dignity. Even sheep show more self-respect. }. That would be the Western European men. Despite all the political repression and economic difficulties, at least the East Europeans were immunized to the SorosaVirus that has infected and caused massive debilitation of Western Europeans, particularly men. Apparently Communist indoctrination left no room in the mind for the Western “diseases” to take root. Eastern European countries still bravely resist the Imperial Edicts from Brussels to Islamize: Poland, Hungary, etc are proud of their nations, their ethnicities, and their Christian faith. If only the Red Army had raced to the Channel…….(half-joking, of course)
    _____________
    * Churchill was the brains and knew Stalin very well.
    Roosevelt was under some kind Stalin spell: he even tried to get up from his wheelchair in a show of respect, when Stalin arrived, fashionably late, to their meetings.

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  90. @Avery

    There were US plans to nuke the USSR after WWII, but the leaders of the time had brains (or fear) enough to refrain from that. One can only hope that today’s leaders have brains or fear enough. Otherwise, we are all toast, regardless of the race, gender, sexual orientation, or political affiliation.

  91. Rurik says:
    @AnonFromTN

    The last one: in my book everyone who fought on Hitler’s side was a war criminal.

    You know what often amazes me..?

    How otherwise intelligent people can be so reduced to cartoon-like versions of complicated issues.

    Most of the men Keelhauled at Yalta were Slavs who hated Germans, but donned their uniform as the only way to fight the even more loathsome and genocidal Bolsheviks/Soviets.

    By your metric, a Polish boy whose father was executed at Katyn for being a poet or clergy, would be a war criminal if he joined the Wehrmacht in order to kill as many of the murderous Soviet goons who executed his father- as he could get his hands on.

    In fact, if you leave out the gas chambers, what exactly did the Nazis do that was so egregious?

    If your kneejerk answer was ‘marching into Poland, for starters’, then how were they any worse than their mortal enemies the Soviets?

    You see the Soveit were genocidal monsters, who’d just committed an unspeakable atrocity in Ukraine. And had every intention of treating Germans in much the same way.

    So it’s not like Hitler was playing in a sand box with girl scouts. He had the forces of evil facing him down in the East, and they were funded by the forces of evil (the Fiend ; ), in the West.

    So it was a conundrum, and the Poles were abusing the ethnic Germans in Danzig and other places. Many, many provocations.

    You mention the atrocities committed by Poles against Ukrainians, and vice versa, were they all war criminals, 0n all sides, under every circumstance?

    Sometimes, in order to understand history, (considering the fact that 98+% of what we’re told about it is all agenda-driven lies ; ), I look at what’s going on today, to get a glimmer.

    And what’s going on today are so many war crimes and war criminals that it makes your head spin. And all of these war crimes and criminals are either living in, or complicit with other who’re living in the ZUSA.

    Iraq was a war crime. All the atrocities visited upon those people were all war crimes. Ditto Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Ukraine, and so many others. Yemen is going on right now with complicity from the ZUSA. And it is a war crime, and crime against humanity.

    And yet what is said about all these war crimes from the (((Western media)))?

    in every case they blame the victim. Saddam and Gadhafi were the war criminals, right?

    and how will all the history books be written, that your children will be taught from in Tennessee?

    They’ll say that all the men who fought for Saddam were war criminals. Likewise Gadhafi and Assad and all the rest.

    Our CIA funds ISIS, and arms them, and then has the nads to call Assad a war criminal.

    So, for me, if everything I see and hear and read, is all agenda-driven lies intended to bolster the Fiend…

    ‘Putin is Hitler and he’s marching into Crimea and aggressively stealing Ukraine’s land!’

    ‘Putin shot down MH17!!

    Saddam has WMDs!!!

    Assad is killing his own people with chemical weapons!!!!

    all lies, all day long, and as always, intended to shift the blame from Zionism to its myriad victims.

    Now, considering that it was Hitler and the Nazis that thwarted International Zionism/communism in Germany, (their ultimate prize), and wrested Germany’s fate from their cruel and gnarled hands, what are the chances that some of the things I’ve read about Hitler and the Nazis- from the occupied Western press, and Hollywood, and the government schools…

    are lies?

    Eh?

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
    , @Vojkan
  92. @Rurik

    Can’t agree more with your first statement:

    How otherwise intelligent people can be so reduced to cartoon-like versions of complicated issues.

    There is a lot of evidence that Germans committed Katyn massacre, e.g., here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlrZULtab9Q
    In particular, the fact that the victims had documents on them rules out NKVD involvement, as the first thing NKVD did to prisoners is take away their IDs and all other documents.
    Gorby’s “acknowledgement” was based on documents that were certainly forged, as they did not conform to the rules of the time (Bolsheviks were quintessential bureaucrats and sticklers to form, just like Nazis).
    Also, I am not aware that Bolsheviks did in Ukraine more than in the rest of their realm. I’ve heard ridiculous accusations of Bolsheviks causing mass hunger in mid-1930s in Volhynia and Galitchina, even though at the time these territories were part of Poland.
    So, all I can say is that it’s amazing

    How otherwise intelligent people can be so reduced to cartoon-like versions of complicated issues.

  93. Rurik says:

    There is a lot of evidence that Germans committed Katyn massacre

    it is definitive

    there is zero doubt that the NKVD mass-murdered those people

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/7564156/Vladimir-Putin-and-Donald-Tusk-attend-Katyn-massacre-memorial.html

    just like the mass-starvation of the Kulaks, by forcibly removing their livestock and grains and shipping them away.

    also definitive.

    your rationalizations and grasping at straws is just more evidence that, as I said, you romanticize the Soviet Union- and demonize its victims.

    The way I see it, is that the Russian people were under the thrall of the Fiend, just as we Americans are today. And so as the Fiend was using the Russian people as it’s murderous goons, today its using my countrymen.

    Why is it that I have no problem admitting that my nation and countrymen are acting as murderous scum on the world’s stage, (even if at the lower levels of the military I consider them as guiltless pawns), while you persist in maintaining the innocence of the Red Army (rapists)?

    Is it Russian nationalism / ethnic pride?

    Is it a romanticized view of the Soviet Union in general?

    Is it perchance a visceral hatred for Germans (Nazis)? (We have a few people like that here at Unz ; )

    Or perhaps a combination of all three?

    I suppose if you’re thus motivated, you’ll not be too introspective about it, and would characteristically lash out at me for even suggesting there’s a potential error in your would view.

    I know a lot of Americans that would punch me in the face for saying our military are war criminals. But that doesn’t change the fact that I’m right, based on legal precedent and known truths about the Eternal Wars. (they’re based on lies, and are unilateral aggressive wars, the exact charge that they hanged the Nazis for)

    But Americans aren’t too introspective either, alas.

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  94. @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    It sounds tragic, but I guarantee that only one boat need be sunk. After that one, the flotillas would stop immediately n permanently. Thousands of lives would actually be saved. The bleeding would stop. Just an observation.

  95. @Rurik

    I guess with the general public it’s often a matter of introspection (or just thinking: I live in TN, and, believe me, here it’s a very rare activity). In my case, I agree that USSR committed a lot of crimes (like, exterminations of kulaks, imprisoning many innocent people in the GULAG, taking over Baltic statelets in 1940, etc.), but I see no reason why it should be blamed for what it did not do. It’s like if you actually killed 10 people but are blamed for 11 murders, you feel offended: even though you are a murderer, you did not kill that extra person.
    Yes, many Americans are gang-ho “patriots”, of even worse variety than “my country, right or wrong”: they don’t even allow the possibility that their country can be wrong. But it would still be stupid to blame the US for everything: like, Hutu-Tutsi massacre in Ruanda is certainly not America’s fault. Same with USSR: it’s easy to blame the dead for crimes that were never solved (the police often does it), but it does not make it just or true.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  96. Vojkan says:
    @Rurik

    “In fact, if you leave out the gas chambers, what exactly did the Nazis do that was so egregious?”

    Without even mentioning the Soviet Union, invading Yugoslavia, Greece, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway. Installing a genocidal puppet regime in “independent Croatia”. Executing at least 2,792 civilians, of which 270 were minors, the youngest being only 11, in Kragujevac, Serbia. The massacre of the entire population of Oradour-sur-Glane, France, 642 people. I mean, if I start enumerating documented, proven examples of nazi atrocities during WWII, I’d have until tomorrow.

    The invasion of Iraq, the destruction of Libya were war crimes, the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, the Israeli bombing of Lebanon, the Israeli shooting at unarmed demonstrators in Gaza, all fall under the Nuremberg Charter, written by WWII victors. Subsequent crimes by WWII victors don’t exonerate nazi Germans of theirs though.

    The fact that Jews have hijacked WWII history and make it all about the holocaust doesn’t erase WWII history that is unrelated to the holocaust and doesn’t absolve the nazis from their criminal behaviour.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    , @Rurik
  97. Rurik says:
    @AnonFromTN

    In my case, I agree that USSR committed a lot of crimes (like, exterminations of kulaks, … .., etc.), but I see no reason why it should be blamed for what it did not do.

    well, that is sort of my point.

    Watching Putin go to Poland to show contrition for what was done, and lay a wreath in homage to the murdered Poles, is I believe pretty convincing evidence that the perpetrators of Katyn, were no doubt the Soviet NKVD.

    This has for a long time now, been well-documented. They’ve exhumed bodies and found newspapers in the pockets that showed the dates, so the guilty are now well-established.

    And yet, even tho it was the Nazis who discovered the monstrous crime, and invited the world’s diplomats and Red Cross and others to bear witness…

    What did the US and UK do when they came home?

    They screeched from their Ministry of Truth, like the NYT, ‘Look at what the Nazis did!!!!’

    Just as they lied about the Holodomor, and said basically that it was nothing more than the grumbling of a few greedy and incompetent farmers who didn’t want to participate in the ‘workers paradise’.

    Even the kosher Wiki has a page about it.

    Walter Duranty, the winner of the 1932 Pulitzer prize in journalism in the category of correspondence, for his dispatches on Soviet Union and the working out of the Five Year Plan.[35] While the famine was raging, he wrote in the pages of The New York Times that “any report of a famine in Russia is today an exaggeration or malignant propaganda”, and that “there is no actual starvation or deaths from starvation, but there is widespread mortality from diseases due to malnutrition.”[32]

    Duranty was well aware of the famine. He said in private to Eugene Lyons and reported to the British Embassy that the population of Ukraine and Lower Volga had “decreased” by six to seven million.[36] However, in his reports, Duranty downplayed the impact of food shortages in Ukraine. As Duranty wrote in a dispatch from Moscow in March 1933, “Conditions are bad, but there is no famine… But—to put it brutally—you can’t make an omelet without breaking eggs.”[37]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor

    Indeed, I suspect that it is specifically the unhealed wounds over the Holodomor, that is largely responsible for the strife in Donbas and the region. Made even more tragic by the fact that Stalin and his goons were funded by Vitoria Nulands fellow travelers, only to have her return several generations later in order to foment hatred, strife, war and death – all over again.

    In the 1930s, Jewish supremacists were slowly starving to death the best of Ukraine, because they were the best. (just like at Katyn)

    Now today Jewish supremacists like Ihor Kolomoyskyi are again looting the Ukrainian people and setting them at each other’s throats.

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    One thing that is rarely mentioned, is that Germany was caught between the forces of evil in the West (Jewish supremacist international capital/banking), and the forces of evil in the East, (genocidal Bolshevik Jewish supremacists)

    The Fiend in the West was busy funding and running cover for the fiend in the East. And in-between was Europe.

    That’s how I see it. Just as today, were it not for Putin, then the right hand of the Fiend (NYC, London, Washington, DC) would be clasped in a gleeful rubbing of its left hand (Russia and the East),

    and Europe and the Middle East would be reduced to the fate of the Amalekites- in-between those sweaty palms.

    many Americans are gang-ho “patriots”, of even worse variety than “my country, right or wrong”: they don’t even allow the possibility that their country can be wrong.

    no argument here, but I must tell you that when I talk to Poles or Russians or Ukrainians, etc.. I generally hear a lot of vituperation for all the others, like if they’re Poles, they say ‘fuck the Germans, and fuck the Russians and fuck the zhids..

    Etc.. and it’s similar down the line. Very few people are contrite about what their nations did during the past. Germans of course have had their collective face mashed in excrement for generations. But everyone else seems to consider themselves a victim of some kind.

  98. @Rurik

    About hotels, but the same vein:

    Local hotel chains ratchet up diversity initiatives
    …Bethesda-based Marriott operates 572 women- and minority-owned hotels nationwide as of January. Six years ago, the company set a goal of getting 500 hotels in the hands of diverse owners by 2010. That objective was part of a larger diversity agenda that included a pledge to spend $1 billion with minority suppliers, a goal Marriott has surpassed by $1.3 billion.

  99. @Vojkan

    massacre of the entire population of Oradour-sur-Glane

    From wikipedia with baby-crucifying goodness:

    Oradour-sur-Glane massacre
    …a 20-year-old American B-17 navigator shot down over Avord, France… witnessed the aftermath of the massacre[:]

    About 3 weeks ago, I saw a town … where some 500 men, women, and children had been murdered by the Germans. I saw one baby who had been crucified.

  100. Rurik says:
    @Vojkan

    what exactly did the Nazis do that was so egregious?”

    Without even mentioning the Soviet Union, invading Yugoslavia, Greece, Belgium, the Netherlands, Denmark, Norway.

    I don’t know, but I suspect that once war was on, Germany had no choice but to go for places like Norway, who some say was on England’s list in any case, for occupation. The Fiords being too strategic to allow to the other side.

    It was a world war, after all, but I honestly don’t think that Hitler wanted it that way, but once England and France and the others declared war, Germany didn’t have any choice about how to conduct it. It was all out, and Germany, like few others, knew well the treachery of Perfidious Albion. Belgium knew how they participated in the betrayal of Germany following the Armistice, and how they helped put their boot on a starving and defenseless Germany’s neck, and kept it there until Hitler told them to take if off.

    genocidal puppet regime in “independent Croatia”. Executing at least 2,792 civilians, of which 270 were minors, the youngest being only 11, in Kragujevac, Serbia. The massacre of the entire population of Oradour-sur-Glane, France, 642 people. I mean, if I start enumerating documented, proven examples of nazi atrocities during WWII, I’d have until tomorrow

    how many of the atrocities committed by the Ustashe were hate-filled Croats with long-standing feuds with their neighbors?

    One thing it seems to me, vis-a-vis all the so-called ‘atrocities of the Nazis’, were actually old beefs between Serbs vs. Croats or Hungarians / Poles vs. ‘the Jews’ or Poles vs. Ukrainians. But it all gets blamed on Nazis, because the one thing all those people over there can agree on, is an ancient envy / enmity for the German people and their superlative culture and accomplishments going back centuries.

    That’s why England demanded the destruction of Germany at the first world war- envy.

    That’s why ‘the Jews’ are so eternally hostile. Resentment over the tall, blonde and comparatively good looking and intelligent Germans.

    I don’t know if that explains everything. Obviously not. But the cartoon narrative that it was the evil Nazis who were responsive for all the atrocities- has for me, become rather tiresome and platitudinous.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
    , @Vojkan
    , @Jeff Stryker
  101. Vojkan says:
    @Rurik

    Kragujevac is a town in central Serbia and the atrocity was committed by the Germans. But even if we put aside the atrocities, I find it odd that you condemn British, US, Jewish imperialism and condone the German one. They are the same.
    The German as the British were then, as the Americans and the Jews are now, driven by the same belief that they are entitled to rule the world. The Holocaust is a useful smokescreen to prevent people from seeing that there is no difference. Every imperialism is driven by vanity and every imperialism has its share of holocausts.
    Alexander the Great, ancient Romans, ancient Chinese, Arabs in the early Middle Age, the Mayan empire, Mongols, Ottomans, the Malian empire, the Zulu empire, the Mughal empire, France under both Napoleons, the British from the 18th century until WWII, fascist Italy, nazi Germany, imperial Japan, the Soviets, the Americans, the Jews, nothing new under the Sun. Vanity creates empires, vanity leads them to their downfall. Nazis were no exception.

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  102. Vojkan says:
    @Rurik

    To be totally honest.
    In 1999., the Western powers requested of what remained of Yugoslavia liberty of passage, stationing and immunity from jurisdiction for NATO troops. I got my hands on the document on the start of the “negotiations” in Rambouillet.
    For more than fifty years, official History pretended that the Western ultimatum matched what Hitler asked of Yugoslavia in 1941. I happen to have worked for the late Prince Alexander Karadjordjević, son of the regent Paul, the man who negotiated with Hitler. I haven’t discussed the matter with him personally, but his chief of office at the time is a good friend of mine and was working on a biography of his father. It appears that Hitler settled for far less than what official History says, provided that Yugoslavia didn’t engage in hostile action towards the Axis.
    Then a coup happened, for which the communists like to take credit but which was instigated by the British. Though the governement installed by the coup allegedly made reinsurances regarding Yugoslavia’s neutrality, the Germans had a change of heart and attacked without prior declaration of war.

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  103. @edNels

    That DECIDER will be the Anti-Christ

  104. Wally says:
    @Vojkan

    said:
    “Kragujevac is a town in central Serbia and the atrocity was committed by the Germans.”

    What “atrocity”? Please present proof. Show us the alleged human remains, etc.

    And please, something other than fake & Zionist dominated ‘Wikipedia’.

    http://www.codoh.com

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  105. Vojkan says:
    @Wally

    I have no proof. Only names of people who were living and no longer lived.

  106. Vojkan says:
    @Wally

    WWII history is close enough to have survivors of whom you can extract remembrance. How many people who have lived through those years have you actually talked to? It is my word against yours under oath regarding atrocities that happened. For God’s sake, just compare nazi art with the folks they’ve forbidden like Brahms or Schuman among others, and tell me they’re a progress for Mankind.

  107. @Rurik

    Jews are not unintelligent compared to Germans. I think the average German IQ is 105 and Ashkenzi Jews are around 113.

    That is a significant deviation.

    No, I am not a Jew. Not a shill. But to say that Germans hands down are more intelligent than Jews is simply a false statement.

    And we should have truth on this site.

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  108. Rurik says:
    @Vojkan

    I find it odd that you condemn British, US, Jewish imperialism and condone the German one. They are the same.

    there are two main reasons why I suppose you perceive it that way.

    one is that for my entire life, I’ve been barraged with the cartoon version of that conflict as Germans = pure evil / Allies (and especially Americans) = pure heroic goodness.

    also Nazis = Satanic evil / Jews = always 100% innocent victims

    That has been the mantra of the matrix that I’ve been marinating in since I was born.

    It permeates every movie and television screen. It oozes out of every text book and kosher history book written. It is, in a word, our state (and vigorously imposed) religion in the ((occupied)) West.

    So, when I take a look at history and current events, I discover that most of what I’ve been told are devil’s lies. Propaganda intended to bolster the fortunes of the victor of that war (Israel/ZUSA/The Fiend), and demonize the vanquished (Germany in particular) for all eternity.

    Second, it is my perception that the Nazis were fighting a defensive war of existential import against the Fiend = Bolshevism/Zionism. Were it not for genocidal Bolsheviks starving to death millions of ‘the best of the Gentiles’, then perhaps Germany wouldn’t have felt the need to militarize against this very real threat.

    So, even tho the Nazis committed atrocities, their enemies were even more psychotically sadistic and genocidal.

    Were it not for the Bolsheviks in Russia and beyond, then Germany would not have been compelled to occupy Serbia, (and Norway and France and elsewhere) in order to defend itself from the Fiend. That they lined up Norwegian and Serbian civilians and shot them in orders of magnitude over a killed German soldier by the resistance, I consider cowardly and monstrous, but then I’m not in a war for my life and the existence of my people.

    So its not possible for me to really comprehend the exigencies of the day.

    When I read of the cruelty that some Amerindian tribes were known to visit upon the White settlers, it’s always with an appreciation of the circumstances of their continuing genocide. If they flayed some white children alive, and then sent them back to their settlement sans their skin, it’s with the understanding that they were trying to keep these Whites from driving them out of their lands. So while barbaric, it’s considered on some savage level, understandable.

    When I look at the entirety of the second world war, which was arguably just a continuation of the first, I like to consider all the angles, and all the hysterical lies I’ve lived with my entire life, and who’s pulling the strings and doing the lying today.

    Who is the genocidal fiend on the world’s stage?

    Are Germans an uniquely cruel and imperious race? Can they be trusted to deal with me in good faith?

    It certainly has been my experience that they are very much so, a decent people. Overwhelmingly.

    When you look at the world today, who exactly are the genocidal fiends?

    And when you figure that out, then perhaps you get a glimmer into who it was yesterday, all lies and propaganda notwithstanding.

  109. Rurik says:
    @Vojkan

    Every imperialism is driven by vanity …. Nazis were no exception.

    there is truth to that, I’m sure.

    But as I’ve said, I’m convinced that the Nazis were a response to the genocidal evil of the Bolsheviks.

    They’re like Hezbollah. While militant (and through success – vain/triumphal?), they came into existence as a survival mechanism against a genocidal threat.

    If Hezbollah were today to march into Israel and drive the Zionists out of their region, would anyone honestly be able to condemn them? And the reason why not, is because we all know that the Zionists, just like their twin- the Bolsheviks, are fundamentally imperialistic.

    They will never, ever stop trying to kill you and steal your lands. Ever.

    Talk about vanity. Their vanity is hyped by thousands of years of pouring over their scrolls telling them they’re the only people with souls, and that the goyim were put here by god to lick their feet and serve them as slaves.

    How do you reason with that?

    So it’s my understanding that Hitler’s Germany did not start out imperialistic, but became so in an effort to thwart an existential threat to their existence, just like, as I mentioned- Hezbollah.

  110. Rurik says:
    @Vojkan

    It appears that Hitler settled for far less than what official History says, provided that Yugoslavia didn’t engage in hostile action towards the Axis.

    Then a coup happened, for which the communists like to take credit but which was instigated by the British. Though the governement installed by the coup allegedly made reinsurances regarding Yugoslavia’s neutrality, the Germans had a change of heart and attacked without prior declaration of war.

    is it possible that once the coup had taken effect, that Germany’s very survival became threatened by a hostile and militant Serbia?

    Is it possible that the actions taken against Serbia were defensive? Considering the scope (global) of the conflict?

    Do you think Germany slaughtered all those Serbs (or Norwegians, for instance) out of genocidal hatred..

    or strategic exigencies?

    Germans knew of the Morgenthau Plan. They knew of the Kulaks and they knew what the Soviets did at Katyn, (because they were the ones to uncover the atrocity) and they knew as sure as they breathed, that if The Fiend had did that to the Poles, then it certainly would have done no less to the Germans. In fact, the Morgenthau Plan, (and others like it) were a roadmap to German genocide.

    So the stakes were very high indeed, and I suppose they figured that slaughtering some militant and hostile Serbs, (or Norwegians or French), while unpalatable on some levels, was a matter of sheer survival.

    No?

  111. Rurik says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    But to say that Germans hands down are more intelligent than Jews is simply a false statement.

    that’s not what I said

    here’s what I said

    That’s why England demanded the destruction of Germany at the first world war- envy.

    That’s why ‘the Jews’ are so eternally hostile. Resentment over the tall, blonde and comparatively good looking and intelligent Germans.

    I think that speaks for itself.

    It would be stupid to say that Germans are hands down more intelligent than Jews. It would indeed be a false statement, but that’s not what I said, is it?

    My point is that England went to war against Germany because it was jealous of the German people’s ability (greatness?), and didn’t want to share a ‘place in the sun’ with Germany, out of fear that Germany might one day displace England as the glorious empire.

    Vanity, just as Vojkan mentioned.

    And it is, I suspect, an assault on the vanity of some Jewish supremacists- who look at tall, beautiful Germans, and don’t like what that makes them feel about their own vanity.

    Sort of like Michelle Obama glowering at the First Lady of France.

    https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.kpfVERtJPzCW6y7E99fPfQHaFI&pid=Api

    If the German people were ugly and stupid, there wouldn’t be endless movies and shows portraying them as congenitally evil. IMHO,

  112. @Archimedes

    Mee too. But leave the babies alone with their mamas.

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