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Eerie Prescience of Donald Trump
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If President Trump would say “The sun rises in the east and sets in the west”, undoubtedly the New York Times will sarcastically laugh and claim that the ignorant redneck who became the president thanks to Putin the Killer’s interference, is not aware of not-so-recent advances in astronomy that make his sentence truly absurd. There was no statement, not a single Trump’s twit that the mass media did not debunk and made a subject of mirth.

However, as time goes, we learn that Trump knows things other people do not know or do not dare to say. Here are three statements of Trump that caused disbelief and indignation but later on, they turned out to be absolute truth.

Sweden

In February, Trump said: “You look at what’s happening in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden. They took in large numbers [of immigrants]. They’re having problems like they never thought possible.” His enemies almost died of laughter. “What has he been smoking?”, – asked Carl Bildt, elderly Swedish statesman, the leading pro-NATO Russia-basher of this country. Swedish devotees of the NWO competed for the silliest response: “we went to sleep at 9 pm”, “a moose has been sighted”, “we ate too much”.

A few days passed, and this complacency was destroyed by immigrants rioting in a Stockholm suburb. They burned cars, women were molested, peaceful Sweden has been turned into a trouble spot. It was even worse in Malmo, the third city of Sweden, practically vacated by Swedes. Immigrants took over its urban centre, while the prosperous Danes had bought its leafy suburbs. Swedish media tried to keep these events under wraps, but failed. It appears that immigrant crimes have a special code R291, making it forbidden for the press to publish. The riots and the displacement of native Swedes are a real problem in Sweden, and they are likely to impact the Swedish vote next year.

So Trump was right, and his debunkers were wrong. Thanks to the obedient Swedish media, the government played the game of «Tout va très bien, Madame la Marquise», “everything is fine”, but Trump knew what was brewing and he did not hesitate to say that. In a few days it became clear that he was right; but surely his detractors did not apologise and did not acknowledge their fault.

By the way, an important Swedish newspaper has published an attack on yours truly. They did not like that I “designated” Trump’s triumph as a historical turning point, “the Jewish century” was now at an end, and Europe will rise from “the liberal tyranny”, and in particular, “the happy slaves” in Sweden would have the strength to rise up against the stifling media and fanatical feminism.” To make clear that I am a rotten egg, they added “a racist and holocaust denier”, just like Trump. This is a mark of disobedience. They can’t get off this topic, for some reason.

Wiretapping

In March, Trump Tweeted “Obama had my “wires tapped” in TrumpTower just before the victory.” And the mainstream media exploded in laughter. Their headlines called it “unsubstantiated insinuations” or worse. (One could think that their accusations of Russian interference were ever substantiated!) It took a few days and proof emerged.

This was obvious from the very beginning to whoever listened to Edward Snowden and to Julian Assange of Wikileaks. The secret services surveil everybody and everything. Not in vain, after Trump’s victory, Obama allowed the CIA and NSA to spread their illegally obtained data among other agencies without judicial control. This was done to facilitate future leaks of poison and make the location of the leak nigh impossible, or quite difficult.

Anyway, the claim of Trump has been validated by Devin Nunes, the brave head of the House Intelligence Committee, who saw proof of the surveillance and reported it to his President. (A propos, Nunes was the man who openly supported the Liberty survivors and the enquiry of the Israeli attack on the American vessel. Even brave people are usually hesitant to quarrel with the Israeli Lobby, but he did. Such a person can already do anything, even report to his president that he was wiretapped.)

The agencies indeed wiretapped Tramp and his assistants, and they spread the data widely. After the inauguration, the data was leaked into CIA-related media. At first, it was not even denied: on January 20, the New York Times carried a front-page story with the headline: “Wiretapped Data Used in Inquiry of Trump Aides” saying, inter alia, that “American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump.”

This surveillance and its leak caused the Flynn affair. I have learned what Flynn actually discussed with the Russian ambassador. I haven’t seen this being reported in the US media: they darkly hissed of Flynn “discussing sanctions” with the Russian. The truth was somewhat different. Flynn called the Ambassador when Obama in a fit of fury expelled dozens of Russian diplomats in 24 hours just before the New Year’s Eve, and forbade them to use their holiday vacation premises. Obama did it in order to poison the US-Russia relations, for as you know, the NWO-beholden Democrats want at least a cold war, or preferably a nuclear one with the Russian bear. Obama tried his worst to spoil the relations to such an extent, that even Trump would find it hard to heal.

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Flynn did his best (I presume on orders of Trump) to calm the Russians. He offered and procured help: the expelled diplomats needed a plane to leave on very short notice, and seats weren’t available. Flynn fixed it. Flynn told the Ambassador that Trump would roll back Obama’s punitive measures related to the expulsion. The Ambassador passed the message to Putin, and Putin, always a gentleman, refrained from tit-for-tat expulsion of the US diplomats from Moscow, as he would definitely do otherwise. Putin even invited children of the US diplomats to a Christmas event in Kremlin. So Flynn acted for the benefit of America and its diplomats, and saved the two great countries from much aggravation. He deserves a medal for his work, not a dismissal; and it is really shame that Trump could not keep him.

The newspapers keep denying the wiretap, but they do so in a tricky way: as surveillance did not literally “tap wires” (for there are no wires between mobiles) they swore it did not happen. This is an old trick, practiced by Autolycus, grandfather of Odysseus, and he learned from his father Hermes how to cheat under oath.

So Trump spoke truth, and he proved it in a most impressive way.

Jews Under Threat

The third case of Trump being ridiculed and fully vindicated is the most remarkable one. There were recently many threats against Jewish institutions all over the US. The Jewish media connected the threats with Trump’s election. They called it a “wave of threats”, “second wave of threats”, “third wave of threats”. Apparently, dozens, if not hundreds of Jewish institutions received intimidating calls and threats.

The Jewish journalists are usually Trump-haters. Not for some specific Jewish reasons: they are for immigration, for race-mixing (always excepting Jews), for re-gendering, and for finance. For them, Trump’s attack on financier George Soros, Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen, and Goldman Sachs Chair and CEO Lloyd Blankfein has been an antisemitic attack as they are Jewish.

So it was easy for them to blame Trump for the threats. At his press-conference, Trump made a short work of Jake Turx, a Jewish reporter who insinuated that Trump encouraged antisemitism. He said that the Jews probably did the threats themselves, or something to such effect. The Jewish media exploded once again. How did he dare?

The ADL, the Jewish wannabe gestapo, wrote: “anti-Semites alleged that Jews themselves are behind the numerous bomb threats to Jewish institutions as a way to garner sympathy for being a victim and that the Jews are using the cemetery desecration to force President Trump into making a statement about anti-Semitism.”

The Pennsylvania Attorney General claimed that Donald Trump said to him that Jewish people might be behind the threats and attacks on Jewish Community Centres to “make others look bad”, another liberal-Jewish publication alleged and concluded: “The President of the United States should never be claiming that threats and attacks are “false flags.” America needs a president, not a bigoted conspiracy theorist in chief.”

And then Trump called upon the FBI and had their sent agents to Israel. There, in a rather small southern town of Ashkelon, lived a young hacker with his five computers and three antennas who made all the threats single-handed. What’s worse, he did it for two years, and Israeli police did nothing to apprehend him – until they saw FBI agents. Then they immediately arrested the guy who spilled the beans right away. Apparently FBI knew all about him, but while Obama was at the helm, they did nothing.

If he were a goy, Jews would call to crucify him – and Trump. But as he was a Jew, the responses in the Jewish media were very kind and understanding. He was a very young and very patriotic young man, he was sick, and he did not understand what he did, but he surely acted for perceived benefit of the Jews.

So indeed the threats and attacks were “false flags”, as these awful antisemites and bigoted conspiracy theorists had claimed.

For the following quotation I’ll thank Steve Sailer, who dug it up. David Schraub wrote in the Jewish magazine Tablet (they did once a hatchet job on me): “On March 1, I penned a column excoriating Donald Trump and other mainstream conservatives for suggesting attacks on Jewish sites—bomb threats, vandalism, and otherwise—were false flag attacks designed to discredit the right.

Later that week, Juan Thompson—a former journalist for the left-wing outlet The Intercept—became the first man arrested for calling in some of these threats, allegedly in the hopes that he could blame his ex-girlfriend for the crime. Clearly, I lack the gift of timing. Today, Israeli officials announced the arrest of a 19-year-old with dual Israeli-American citizenship who is alleged to have been behind many of the remaining bomb calls.” End of quote. (He lacked the gift of timing, but he did not lack hutzpah, for instead of apologising he insisted he was basically right. As I wrote once, being Jewish means you never have to say I am sorry.)

So now you see that you have a prescient President? And not only prescient, but a man of iron will, too. Obama knew that the threats were coming from Israel, but he never dared to say that. Trump is nobody’s fool. There are signs that he will even solve the unsolvable Jewish-Palestinian conflict. His velvet glove hides an iron fist. The Israeli right has been so happy about his election, but now they feel that perhaps they made a wrong choice. For the first time ever, American diplomats visited not only Ramallah, but Palestinian refugee camps as well. It appears they try to deal with the Jewish settlers directly. And among settlers, there is a not inconsiderable fraction of people who want to settle with Arabs and live as equals among them. So I am not pessimistic about a Middle East peace.

Trump ordered giving up the regime change drive in Syria, and this is already a good thing. It would be better if he were to forget about the Middle East completely, but probably the US military would not allow that.

And Trump is not alone. It is true that mainstream media is against him, but the real sector of the US economics stands behind the President. I was told that negotiators of Sony-Ericson have tried to make some deals with American companies and unwisely they referred to their work for the CIA (they manufactured wiretap devices or similar). To their great surprise, the American businessmen were underwhelmed and had sent them home without signing the deal. Partnership with the CIA means partnership with the liberals of the WaPo and the NY Times, and it is not the flavour of the month among American industrialists.

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With such strong backing, it is too early to despair of Trump. He still can emerge the winner in his struggle against secret services and their media. And do not forget: the next time newspapers ridicule Trump’s twits, hold your laughter for a while. He is eerily prescient.

Israel Shamir can be reached at adam@israelshamir.net

This article was first published at The Unz Review.

 
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  1. Jew arrested for dozens of fake ‘hate crimes’

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/23/israeli-jew-19-arrested-antisemitic-hate-crime-hoax-spree/

    excerpt: “last month concerned a suspect who allegedly vandalized Chicago’s Loop Synagogue and was apparently caught on surveillance video camera. The man, already facing a March trial on unrelated charges, was charged with a hate crime.

    In December, a synagogue was vandalized with feces in Santa Monica, California. No arrest has yet been made in that case.

    Almost all of the other hate crimes in recent weeks and months have been false bomb threats. Now, Israeli police believe they have identified the person responsible for most of those threats, which sparked panic worldwide.”

    Staged ‘antisemitic’ crimes are the rule, not the exception.
    As a rule, these are never ‘crimes’ that are tried in courts of law.

    These are only what some people ‘report’ as ‘hate crimes’, not what was actually charged against someone & tried in court.
    IOW, if someone doesn’t like what someone said, they then report it as ‘racist, antisemitic, anti-whomever’ and voila! … instant ‘hate crime’ statistics.

    Is mentioning that Israeli immigration laws allow JEWS ONLY considered a ‘hate crime’, how about Israel’s huge WALL?

    NY Times First Reported Trump was Wiretapped Back in January

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/03/martin-armstrong/ny-times-first-reported-trump-wiretapped/

    ‘Russiagate’ Is Failing And Its Supporters Are Getting Concerned

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-30/%E2%80%98russiagate%E2%80%99-failing-and-its-supporters-are-getting-concerned

    Proof: CIA Disguises Their Hacks As Russian, Chinese, Arabic…

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-31/wikileaks-reveals-marble-proof-cia-disguises-their-hacks-russian-chinese-arabic

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  2. Because I regularly follow zerohedge.com, one of the notorious 200 websites, I was completely aware of all three instances, although Israel fills in a few additional pieces of info.

    So far Trump cannot show much of what he promised, but it is still way too early to make the call. Again, one cannot escape the comparison with Putin, who is also a very long term player, who does not get distracted by skirmishes and enemy pinpricks. It is only the long-term which truly matters, those following MSM can easily lose sight of this fact. I am not as optimistic about Trump as Mr Shamir, but then I have been wrong in the past and I wish to be wrong here as well.

    I can only think of the first meeting between Trump and Putin, what fireworks that is going to be. I still remember the fuss created when Gorbachev and Reagan met, or earlier when Nixon went to China. But nothing will compare with this one.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Would you please elaborate on the fireworks you are predicting? I'm not sure what you are referring tio: the dyamics of the meeting, the beatups in the MSM.and elite institutiins, or what?

    I can't see any dust up at the meeting. It doesn't seem to be Putin's style and I don't see Trump going out of his way to stuff up relations with Russia. Maybe that last is a lack of imagination about motive on my part.

    Objectively I would think the meeting would pale into insignificance compared with Nixon to China and Reagan and Gorbachev judged by the possible alternatives to each scenario. Only if you think America now so weak that it desperately needs an accomodation with Russia can I see you disagreeing with that.

    , @WorkingClass
    Trump should meet with Putin today. This afternoon. He should listen carefully and take notes.
    , @Roy Lofquist
    Trump is a long term player. Large scale real estate development projects have a life cycle of 25 years or more. Tillerson, at State, headed Exxon-Mobil for a long time. Again, an industry that operates on 25-50 year horizons. Mattis, at Defense, was engaged in planning long term military logistics. Sessions, at Justice, has had a long slog (US Attorney in 1981) through the political and legal thickets. Rick Perry, Energy, was a four term Governor of Texas, a State that leads the US in fossil fuel production by a large margin.

    There have been two Presidents in my lifetime, Eisenhower and Reagan, who weren't obsessed with the results of the next election. Both of them were older and had distinguished careers outside of politics before becoming engaged. In that respect Trump is very much like them.
    , @JS Johnston
    Trump wants Putin's support on North Korea. He will have to trade something.
    , @woodNfish

    So far Trump cannot show much of what he promised
     
    What do you expect? He hasn't even been in office 3 months.
  3. I hope Trump gets his ‘twits’ about himself and does some of the things he promised in the campaign without more or to much ado. Disappointing so far. I still have high hopes, though.

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    • Replies: @Inque Yutani
    I love people who are already "I am teh disappoint" with Trump. We're, what, 2% of the way through his first term? Just shut up. Even I, as a strong Trump supporter, see no clear path to victory, but the last thing we need is emo level defeatists.

    Any Trump supporter with an average or above IQ knew this was going to be a long, pitched battle against a globally entrenched and powerful opponent. It might take more than eight years to set the ship right, which is why I hope the current team in the White House is already thinking of a possible successor to carry on the fight.

    This is a cultural civil war. People need to wake up to that.
  4. I hope that President Trump shows his iron will in confronting the judiciary over the injunctions against his visa-issuance orders. Who is let into the United States and who is not is an existential issue that absolutely cannot be surrendered to the courts.

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  5. I wonder if Trump has military deep State informers as opposed to CIA deep State? The military has been taking a beating. They’re in wars all over that the Jews started by bombing the WTC on 9-11. Maybe they’ve had enough and are setting up the CIA deep State for the kill. The CIA has been fairly haphazard about their operations. Smuggling drugs, lots of kiddie abuse for blackmail and all of this stuff is fairly well documented.

    I wonder if the CIA and NSA are not covered up in Jews? Contrarily the DIA would not be, as Jews don’t want to serve in the military. The CIA and NSA if full of Jews naturally only works for Jews as all Jewish institutions refuse to do anything useful unless it enriches Jews or adds to their power. Hence the stupidity of our intelligence operations viewed in light of US interest. Fine for Israelis though.

    So why not just come out with it? 9-11 via building #7 would simple to prove the whole thing was an inside job. Maybe they believe that it would be such a shock that it would destroy ALL faith in government and destroy support for the military and most importantly Empire level military spending.

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    • Replies: @Art
    I wonder if Trump has military deep State informers as opposed to CIA deep State?

    Sam J,

    An excellent point – this division between the Jew globalist Deep State (State Department, CIA, NSA) and the old-line military industrial Deep State, is most useful. Clearly Trump, by appointing all those generals to his administration, is siding with the military Deep State.

    Mike Pompeo who is the head of the CIA is x-military – Gen Kelly head of Homeland Security is also x-military – good signs.

    The thing that worries the most, is Ivanka and Jared Kushner having so much power over Trump. Where they come down on the Jew question is a great unknown. It could be very dangerous for America.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Have not heard about drome killings by the CIA like Obama did – this is good.

    p.s. Chucky Israel and the Jews in the Senate are doing everything that can to back up the Jew Deep State.
    , @RobinG
    " Contrarily the DIA would not be, as Jews don’t want to serve in the military."

    Must inform you that DIA is staffed by civilians, and of course there are many Jews in key positions. I wrote once before about a Jewish cabal's attempts to expel one of the last Goy from the Soviet desk.
    , @Bill Jones
    There's a single line in the 1947 National Security Act that's at the core of the evil that is the CIA: the Act lays out the data collection and analysis functions and then wrecks it with
    "And such other activities as the National Security Council may direct"

    All Donny Boy needs to do is have the NSC announce it directs no activities other than the data collection and analysis of foreign powers.

    Prosecutions should follow.
  6. Well, it’s nice to read an optimistic take on the first few months of the Trump presidency considering how grim the situation currently appears. There are a lot of reasons I voted for him, but primary among them was his anti-establishment view on Russia and his stated aim of some kind of reconciliation. I’m among the apparent minority of Americans who thinks war with Russia is a bad idea and avoiding it should be a top priority. So far the result has been pretty much the opposite, however, with the same old neocon banter coming from SecDef, SecState and that dumb cunt Haley at the UN.

    I’m willing to give him some time, I always thought it would take at least six months for him to consolidate power, and probably considerably longer, before he could start to enact the more ambitious promises of his campaign. Considering the way Russia is being used as a stick to beat him with, and the considerable resistance he faces from both parties on the topic, it’s possible there is some type of an arrangement to put US/Russia relations on the back burner for the time being. I’m also reminded of how many times I counted him out during the presidential campaign and how he managed to pull through anyway.

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    • Replies: @Old fogey
    There probably were more people that voted for Trump mainly because of his efforts to establish a more friendly relationship with Russia than we have been led to believe. In my mind, it all fit together, peace with Russia, maintaining our borders and thereby maintaining our unique national character, and making America great again through sensible economic policies.
  7. @Kiza
    Because I regularly follow zerohedge.com, one of the notorious 200 websites, I was completely aware of all three instances, although Israel fills in a few additional pieces of info.

    So far Trump cannot show much of what he promised, but it is still way too early to make the call. Again, one cannot escape the comparison with Putin, who is also a very long term player, who does not get distracted by skirmishes and enemy pinpricks. It is only the long-term which truly matters, those following MSM can easily lose sight of this fact. I am not as optimistic about Trump as Mr Shamir, but then I have been wrong in the past and I wish to be wrong here as well.

    I can only think of the first meeting between Trump and Putin, what fireworks that is going to be. I still remember the fuss created when Gorbachev and Reagan met, or earlier when Nixon went to China. But nothing will compare with this one.

    Would you please elaborate on the fireworks you are predicting? I’m not sure what you are referring tio: the dyamics of the meeting, the beatups in the MSM.and elite institutiins, or what?

    I can’t see any dust up at the meeting. It doesn’t seem to be Putin’s style and I don’t see Trump going out of his way to stuff up relations with Russia. Maybe that last is a lack of imagination about motive on my part.

    Objectively I would think the meeting would pale into insignificance compared with Nixon to China and Reagan and Gorbachev judged by the possible alternatives to each scenario. Only if you think America now so weak that it desperately needs an accomodation with Russia can I see you disagreeing with that.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    "Fireworks"?
    Not exactly, just a steady destruction of racist / Marxist Obama's efforts.

    see:

    'Bit by bit, Trump methodically undoing Obama policies'

    http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2017-04-03-US--Trump-Undoing%20Obama/id-c4fa9fa659394514aa645a7cfd3c31ed
    , @Rurik

    Would you please elaborate on the fireworks you are predicting?
     
    if I may wiz, I'd conjecture the "fireworks" might be characterized thus..

    wow, I don't use Google (for obvious reasons) so I Bing'd the word 'screeching' to find an appropriate visual for your edification. And then what did I see but someone has already created memes based specifically on the Trump/Putin meeting with precisely that word; 'screeching'

    https://i.redditmedia.com/Y8a7SsMI8Jq9XuZHDWUp8daHTin7cOM4kRKikkhUjsM.jpg?w=320&s=0f96e55e4fe39f2a890bdc24878cbd62

    http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/216/446/896.png

    https://pics.onsizzle.com/lets-be-freinds-da-autistic-screeching-~μιχαηλ-6975894.png


    go ahead and do it yourself. These are the first images that pop up under 'screeching', isn't that funny?

    and why are they screeching wiz?

    because Trump and Putin are threatening to transform the 21st century into one of sanity and peace, prosperity and mutual respect. Rather than the Zio-imposed, unilateral descent into a 20th century, Orwellian horror show redux.

    IOW the Fiend (your master) wants Russia and the West to engage in the kind of mass-fratricide that your fellow traveler$ foisted upon Russia and the West in the last century, which was very good for the (Zionist) Jews indeed. Duh.

    And a rapprochement between Russia and the West would threaten the bloodbath, and Zio's absolute domination of what's ever left of the smoking ruins, (provided it survived the conflagration, which is rather unlikely ; )
  8. Trump is either stupid or corrupt, I suspect the former. He picked Mike Pence for VP….a go along to get along pussy if there ever was one.. He has shit on his most ardent supporters the freedom caucus. He choose Reince Priebus as his chief of staff, Reince is a very close friend of Paul Ryan who hates Trump and is a part of the power elite. Trump should have long ago cleaned house in the establishment. He has hired his enemies and allowed other enemies to remain in the administration. He will have an impossible four years and out.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    And how long has he been in office?

    And even that, have you actually seen his various executive orders?

  9. Does anyone seriously think TPTB have any compunction about lying to the people, oath or not?

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  10. Very simple, he is very responsive to his intuition, after decades of experience, he relies on his hunches.

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  11. Speaking of prescient, check out Trump’s 1990 Interview in Playboy Magazine. Near the end of he interview he says quite confidently that Mikael Gorbachev will be overthrown. And the NYT never stops yelling about how ignorant and stupid he is.

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  12. @Realist
    Trump is either stupid or corrupt, I suspect the former. He picked Mike Pence for VP....a go along to get along pussy if there ever was one.. He has shit on his most ardent supporters the freedom caucus. He choose Reince Priebus as his chief of staff, Reince is a very close friend of Paul Ryan who hates Trump and is a part of the power elite. Trump should have long ago cleaned house in the establishment. He has hired his enemies and allowed other enemies to remain in the administration. He will have an impossible four years and out.

    And how long has he been in office?

    And even that, have you actually seen his various executive orders?

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    • Replies: @Realist
    "And how long has he been in office?

    And even that, have you actually seen his various executive orders?"

    He has been in office long enough to make a number of big mistakes especially in who to trust and who to appoint to positions.

    He has made some very good executive orders but he is hamstrung by his detractors, both Democrat and Republicans, which proves what I have said a number of times...Democracy does not work.
    When he needs to get the support of Congress he must compromise his good ideas with bullshit.

    Stupidity and corruption have always doomed Democracy.
  13. Not buying the Nostradamus act. Trump was well informed on these matters, but not prescient. Regarding the Jewish threats, I would find it incredible for Trump to allege a false flag operation without knowing that it was a false flag operation beforehand. It’s more like he’s pointing out where a few of the landmines he knows are about to go off are hidden, and then pulling in as many of his political enemies as possible into the blast radius before the landmine does go off. Nothing to see here but the drama of political strategy unfolding. Same goes for “ever the gentleman” Putin not expelling US diplomats in retaliation. All this proves is that unchallenged power and control of the narrative has made the political maneuvers of the beltway establishment arrogant and sloppy, and that Trump is cagey enough to use this to his advantage.

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  14. !917 was a significant year when the Zionist mafia (today’s NeoCons) took full control of Russia. The result was the death of 66 million mainly Orthodox Christians there. It took them until 1953 for the Slavs to liberate themselves.

    2017 is another significant year. Zionists are in full control of the USA. We have to await the result.

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    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    What are your reasons/sources for saying that the Russian Bolshevist Jews were Zionist?
    , @Miro23

    2017 is another significant year. Zionists are in full control of the USA. We have to await the result.
     
    Not in full control. If they were, Clinton would have won the election and you wouldn't have UNZ to post to. The present chaos comes from the failed 9/11 coup.

    There were never supposed to be elections after 9/11, the US was supposed to have gone to war with Iran, and the Patriot Act, Homeland Security and the NSA were supposed to have taken care of the Deplorables (eventual Trump voters).

    The problem with US citizens is that they think that by voting for Trump they have done their work and that he'll take care of everything ("We have to await the result") - and since you mentioned Russia in 1917, this was also the attitude of the Russian middle class. Someone else was supposed to deal with the Bolshevik insurgency (the military/Cossacks/Constitutional Convention or someone) while they got on with life as usual.

    If the majority of Russians had made it their personal political business to actively resist Bolshevism it would have failed, but they were lazy, complacent and couldn't imagine what eventually happened. They were also confused by their own Russian intellectual class who fashionably celebrated counter-cultural radicalism (and were surprised when they also became its victims).
  15. @Kiza
    Because I regularly follow zerohedge.com, one of the notorious 200 websites, I was completely aware of all three instances, although Israel fills in a few additional pieces of info.

    So far Trump cannot show much of what he promised, but it is still way too early to make the call. Again, one cannot escape the comparison with Putin, who is also a very long term player, who does not get distracted by skirmishes and enemy pinpricks. It is only the long-term which truly matters, those following MSM can easily lose sight of this fact. I am not as optimistic about Trump as Mr Shamir, but then I have been wrong in the past and I wish to be wrong here as well.

    I can only think of the first meeting between Trump and Putin, what fireworks that is going to be. I still remember the fuss created when Gorbachev and Reagan met, or earlier when Nixon went to China. But nothing will compare with this one.

    Trump should meet with Putin today. This afternoon. He should listen carefully and take notes.

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  16. On Trump’s Sweden comment, NPR reported that he’d claimed a terrorist attack had occurred the prior evening. They then went on to report all the replies his comment got from Sweden and elsewhere in that context. They never reported the actual comment or retracted their claim about terrorism.

    If you don’t listen to it a lot, you can’t know how pernicious NPR is.

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    • Replies: @utu
    Ok, NPR is very bad. But how do you explain what Trump said

    You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden.
     
    and the riot in Sweden did not start until few days later?

    So what Trump was actually talking about? Did some friendly to Trump faction in CIA organize the riot but was late few days? Or was it FSB that helped to jump off the riot? Or was it Israel Shamir (might be the same as FSB) who resides, I think, in Sweden who organized the riots? Why Trump was so lucky in this case?

    , @Old fogey
    I live in NY and the local NPR station is probably in a league of its own. The week following the election every morning was devoted to listening to people phoning in sobbing in disbelief about the results. It was sickening.
  17. 24.02.2017 The Three Trump Administrations

    Foreign and national defense ministries around the world, as well as embassies in Washington, DC, are struggling to ascertain who is actually in charge of the U.S. government one month after Donald Trump was sworn in as president of the United States. It is a fair question, considering the conflicting statements issuing forth from the White House, State Department, and the Pentagon.

    http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2017/02/24/three-trump-administrations.html

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    I fail to see the problem with Trump and his Allies not fulfilling ALL their stated goals in a couple of months. This is as insane as insisting they to do it all on day one. By this ANTI-Logic, They should be criticised for not doing it the year before He was elected! In Reality, His efforts are a war against a vast, well funded, largely hidden, longterm, enemy…. some of which is diabolically intelligent. I read literally hundreds of articles weekly from very divergent sources, and my conclusion is that He, Putin, Le Penn, Nigel Farage, and others like them are changing humanities future for the better.

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    • Replies: @ronehjr
    You stole the words from my brain.
    , @OutWest
    The most successful political movement in recent history is the Fabian socialist takeover. By moving sub-rosa in a manner akin to boiling frogs by slowly heating the water, the Fabians have entirely taken over governance and terminated basic freedoms without notice by the ordinary citizen.

    He’s not confiding in me; but perhaps there’s an element of table turning in Trump’s approach.
    , @Inque Yutani
    It's probably mostly cucks. They want to say "I told you so" so badly and get back to fellating the prog-Left to stop the mean name calling. Useless creatures.
  19. Mar 20, 2017 Trump Embraces the Goldman Sachs Vampire Squid

    It’s business as usual in Washington. Trump promised to drain the swamp. Instead, he is busy populating it with Goldman Sachs vampire squids. On this edition of The Geopolitical Report, we take a look at the outsized influence of the notorious global investment banking firm, its ability to navigate both Democrat and Republican administrations, and its disastrous effect on the economy as it socializes risk and pockets.

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    The trolls have been all over the internet and this website as well. Some seek to discredit through guilt by association by leaving comments that are over the top harangues. Others pretend to be sympathetic to garner credibility but then plant seeds of doubt and defeatism: Trump can’t win, some staffer isn’t what we want, he’s going to let us down, he’s fake, etc etc. With these fake hate hoaxes one gets the idea that members of the media must know them to be false but pretend otherwise, dropping any skepticism and breathlessly reporting them as breaking news. The media have a symbiotic relationship with the hate crime hoaxers.
    Trump has good personal instinct partly derived from a lifetime of dealing with a wide variety of people, some nice and others not so nice. People thought he was a businessman and showman but it turns out he’s been paying attention all these years.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Well said.

    They flopped on Russia and are being reamed for their surveillance of Trump & his people.

    'Donald Trump and associates close to Trump were surveilled and that their names were unmasked at the behest of those in the Obama administration.'
    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/04/03/fncs-housley-sources-say-those-who-unmasked-trump-associates-very-high-up/
  21. @Anonymous
    I fail to see the problem with Trump and his Allies not fulfilling ALL their stated goals in a couple of months. This is as insane as insisting they to do it all on day one. By this ANTI-Logic, They should be criticised for not doing it the year before He was elected! In Reality, His efforts are a war against a vast, well funded, largely hidden, longterm, enemy.... some of which is diabolically intelligent. I read literally hundreds of articles weekly from very divergent sources, and my conclusion is that He, Putin, Le Penn, Nigel Farage, and others like them are changing humanities future for the better.

    You stole the words from my brain.

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  22. @Wizard of Oz
    Would you please elaborate on the fireworks you are predicting? I'm not sure what you are referring tio: the dyamics of the meeting, the beatups in the MSM.and elite institutiins, or what?

    I can't see any dust up at the meeting. It doesn't seem to be Putin's style and I don't see Trump going out of his way to stuff up relations with Russia. Maybe that last is a lack of imagination about motive on my part.

    Objectively I would think the meeting would pale into insignificance compared with Nixon to China and Reagan and Gorbachev judged by the possible alternatives to each scenario. Only if you think America now so weak that it desperately needs an accomodation with Russia can I see you disagreeing with that.

    “Fireworks”?
    Not exactly, just a steady destruction of racist / Marxist Obama’s efforts.

    see:

    ‘Bit by bit, Trump methodically undoing Obama policies’

    http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2017-04-03-US–Trump-Undoing%20Obama/id-c4fa9fa659394514aa645a7cfd3c31ed

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Oh come on, Marxist? Obama? The guy is pure corporatist, to the right of Bill Clinton and Ike both. No Marxist, he.
  23. @Kiza
    Because I regularly follow zerohedge.com, one of the notorious 200 websites, I was completely aware of all three instances, although Israel fills in a few additional pieces of info.

    So far Trump cannot show much of what he promised, but it is still way too early to make the call. Again, one cannot escape the comparison with Putin, who is also a very long term player, who does not get distracted by skirmishes and enemy pinpricks. It is only the long-term which truly matters, those following MSM can easily lose sight of this fact. I am not as optimistic about Trump as Mr Shamir, but then I have been wrong in the past and I wish to be wrong here as well.

    I can only think of the first meeting between Trump and Putin, what fireworks that is going to be. I still remember the fuss created when Gorbachev and Reagan met, or earlier when Nixon went to China. But nothing will compare with this one.

    Trump is a long term player. Large scale real estate development projects have a life cycle of 25 years or more. Tillerson, at State, headed Exxon-Mobil for a long time. Again, an industry that operates on 25-50 year horizons. Mattis, at Defense, was engaged in planning long term military logistics. Sessions, at Justice, has had a long slog (US Attorney in 1981) through the political and legal thickets. Rick Perry, Energy, was a four term Governor of Texas, a State that leads the US in fossil fuel production by a large margin.

    There have been two Presidents in my lifetime, Eisenhower and Reagan, who weren’t obsessed with the results of the next election. Both of them were older and had distinguished careers outside of politics before becoming engaged. In that respect Trump is very much like them.

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  24. @anonymous
    The trolls have been all over the internet and this website as well. Some seek to discredit through guilt by association by leaving comments that are over the top harangues. Others pretend to be sympathetic to garner credibility but then plant seeds of doubt and defeatism: Trump can't win, some staffer isn't what we want, he's going to let us down, he's fake, etc etc. With these fake hate hoaxes one gets the idea that members of the media must know them to be false but pretend otherwise, dropping any skepticism and breathlessly reporting them as breaking news. The media have a symbiotic relationship with the hate crime hoaxers.
    Trump has good personal instinct partly derived from a lifetime of dealing with a wide variety of people, some nice and others not so nice. People thought he was a businessman and showman but it turns out he's been paying attention all these years.

    Well said.

    They flopped on Russia and are being reamed for their surveillance of Trump & his people.

    ‘Donald Trump and associates close to Trump were surveilled and that their names were unmasked at the behest of those in the Obama administration.’

    http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/04/03/fncs-housley-sources-say-those-who-unmasked-trump-associates-very-high-up/

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  25. @Clearpoint
    Not buying the Nostradamus act. Trump was well informed on these matters, but not prescient. Regarding the Jewish threats, I would find it incredible for Trump to allege a false flag operation without knowing that it was a false flag operation beforehand. It's more like he's pointing out where a few of the landmines he knows are about to go off are hidden, and then pulling in as many of his political enemies as possible into the blast radius before the landmine does go off. Nothing to see here but the drama of political strategy unfolding. Same goes for "ever the gentleman" Putin not expelling US diplomats in retaliation. All this proves is that unchallenged power and control of the narrative has made the political maneuvers of the beltway establishment arrogant and sloppy, and that Trump is cagey enough to use this to his advantage.

    Nailed it.

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  26. @Ram
    !917 was a significant year when the Zionist mafia (today's NeoCons) took full control of Russia. The result was the death of 66 million mainly Orthodox Christians there. It took them until 1953 for the Slavs to liberate themselves.

    2017 is another significant year. Zionists are in full control of the USA. We have to await the result.

    What are your reasons/sources for saying that the Russian Bolshevist Jews were Zionist?

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  27. @Anonymous
    I fail to see the problem with Trump and his Allies not fulfilling ALL their stated goals in a couple of months. This is as insane as insisting they to do it all on day one. By this ANTI-Logic, They should be criticised for not doing it the year before He was elected! In Reality, His efforts are a war against a vast, well funded, largely hidden, longterm, enemy.... some of which is diabolically intelligent. I read literally hundreds of articles weekly from very divergent sources, and my conclusion is that He, Putin, Le Penn, Nigel Farage, and others like them are changing humanities future for the better.

    The most successful political movement in recent history is the Fabian socialist takeover. By moving sub-rosa in a manner akin to boiling frogs by slowly heating the water, the Fabians have entirely taken over governance and terminated basic freedoms without notice by the ordinary citizen.

    He’s not confiding in me; but perhaps there’s an element of table turning in Trump’s approach.

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  28. @Hubbub
    I hope Trump gets his 'twits' about himself and does some of the things he promised in the campaign without more or to much ado. Disappointing so far. I still have high hopes, though.

    I love people who are already “I am teh disappoint” with Trump. We’re, what, 2% of the way through his first term? Just shut up. Even I, as a strong Trump supporter, see no clear path to victory, but the last thing we need is emo level defeatists.

    Any Trump supporter with an average or above IQ knew this was going to be a long, pitched battle against a globally entrenched and powerful opponent. It might take more than eight years to set the ship right, which is why I hope the current team in the White House is already thinking of a possible successor to carry on the fight.

    This is a cultural civil war. People need to wake up to that.

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  29. @Anonymous
    I fail to see the problem with Trump and his Allies not fulfilling ALL their stated goals in a couple of months. This is as insane as insisting they to do it all on day one. By this ANTI-Logic, They should be criticised for not doing it the year before He was elected! In Reality, His efforts are a war against a vast, well funded, largely hidden, longterm, enemy.... some of which is diabolically intelligent. I read literally hundreds of articles weekly from very divergent sources, and my conclusion is that He, Putin, Le Penn, Nigel Farage, and others like them are changing humanities future for the better.

    It’s probably mostly cucks. They want to say “I told you so” so badly and get back to fellating the prog-Left to stop the mean name calling. Useless creatures.

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  30. @Sam J.
    I wonder if Trump has military deep State informers as opposed to CIA deep State? The military has been taking a beating. They're in wars all over that the Jews started by bombing the WTC on 9-11. Maybe they've had enough and are setting up the CIA deep State for the kill. The CIA has been fairly haphazard about their operations. Smuggling drugs, lots of kiddie abuse for blackmail and all of this stuff is fairly well documented.

    I wonder if the CIA and NSA are not covered up in Jews? Contrarily the DIA would not be, as Jews don't want to serve in the military. The CIA and NSA if full of Jews naturally only works for Jews as all Jewish institutions refuse to do anything useful unless it enriches Jews or adds to their power. Hence the stupidity of our intelligence operations viewed in light of US interest. Fine for Israelis though.

    So why not just come out with it? 9-11 via building #7 would simple to prove the whole thing was an inside job. Maybe they believe that it would be such a shock that it would destroy ALL faith in government and destroy support for the military and most importantly Empire level military spending.

    I wonder if Trump has military deep State informers as opposed to CIA deep State?

    Sam J,

    An excellent point – this division between the Jew globalist Deep State (State Department, CIA, NSA) and the old-line military industrial Deep State, is most useful. Clearly Trump, by appointing all those generals to his administration, is siding with the military Deep State.

    Mike Pompeo who is the head of the CIA is x-military – Gen Kelly head of Homeland Security is also x-military – good signs.

    The thing that worries the most, is Ivanka and Jared Kushner having so much power over Trump. Where they come down on the Jew question is a great unknown. It could be very dangerous for America.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Have not heard about drome killings by the CIA like Obama did – this is good.

    p.s. Chucky Israel and the Jews in the Senate are doing everything that can to back up the Jew Deep State.

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    • Replies: @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    What's a "drome killing"?

    It sounds dangerous!

    Peace
    Sherm
    , @Old fogey
    The thing that worries the most, is Ivanka and Jared Kushner having so much power over Trump.

    You are absolutely right. They should go back home as soon as possible if they are not being used by Trump himself as a distraction for something about which folks like us know nothing.
  31. @David
    On Trump's Sweden comment, NPR reported that he'd claimed a terrorist attack had occurred the prior evening. They then went on to report all the replies his comment got from Sweden and elsewhere in that context. They never reported the actual comment or retracted their claim about terrorism.

    If you don't listen to it a lot, you can't know how pernicious NPR is.

    Ok, NPR is very bad. But how do you explain what Trump said

    You look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden.

    and the riot in Sweden did not start until few days later?

    So what Trump was actually talking about? Did some friendly to Trump faction in CIA organize the riot but was late few days? Or was it FSB that helped to jump off the riot? Or was it Israel Shamir (might be the same as FSB) who resides, I think, in Sweden who organized the riots? Why Trump was so lucky in this case?

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    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky

    and the riot in Sweden did not start until few days later?
     
    Yeah, that is one hell of a strange thing, eh? You asked me earlier what I am working on and one piece (though it's actually a sub-heading) is entitled "Donald Trump is a prophet and a man of God".

    It is somehow taken as normal that somebody talks about something BEFORE it happens. Maybe that started with Building 7, where the BBC reporter Jane Standley reported the building has collapsed before it happened. This is somehow the new normal.

    Here is another thing. Look for footage on youtube of Muslims rioting in Rinkeby, Sweden. A bunch of stuff comes up but none of it shows anything. It mostly shows empty streets and some cars burning, but it is not at all clear who set the cars on fire...
    , @Darin
    Are riots in Sweden now so common they happen every few days, regardless what Trump or anyone else says?
    , @phil
    When Trump said "last night" he was referring to a television program on Sweden that he had seen the previous evening.
    , @Alden
    I believe I've finally figured you out. You are an anti Trump Hildabeast voter. That's why you attack Trump at every turn. Now you claim that the CIA has spies in Sweden disguised as bearded muslims who start riots so Trump can speak about them.

    Too much alcohol kills brain cells.
  32. @Wizard of Oz
    Would you please elaborate on the fireworks you are predicting? I'm not sure what you are referring tio: the dyamics of the meeting, the beatups in the MSM.and elite institutiins, or what?

    I can't see any dust up at the meeting. It doesn't seem to be Putin's style and I don't see Trump going out of his way to stuff up relations with Russia. Maybe that last is a lack of imagination about motive on my part.

    Objectively I would think the meeting would pale into insignificance compared with Nixon to China and Reagan and Gorbachev judged by the possible alternatives to each scenario. Only if you think America now so weak that it desperately needs an accomodation with Russia can I see you disagreeing with that.

    Would you please elaborate on the fireworks you are predicting?

    if I may wiz, I’d conjecture the “fireworks” might be characterized thus..

    wow, I don’t use Google (for obvious reasons) so I Bing’d the word ‘screeching’ to find an appropriate visual for your edification. And then what did I see but someone has already created memes based specifically on the Trump/Putin meeting with precisely that word; ‘screeching’

    https://i.redditmedia.com/Y8a7SsMI8Jq9XuZHDWUp8daHTin7cOM4kRKikkhUjsM.jpg?w=320&s=0f96e55e4fe39f2a890bdc24878cbd62

    http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/216/446/896.png

    https://pics.onsizzle.com/lets-be-freinds-da-autistic-screeching-~μιχαηλ-6975894.png

    go ahead and do it yourself. These are the first images that pop up under ‘screeching’, isn’t that funny?

    and why are they screeching wiz?

    because Trump and Putin are threatening to transform the 21st century into one of sanity and peace, prosperity and mutual respect. Rather than the Zio-imposed, unilateral descent into a 20th century, Orwellian horror show redux.

    IOW the Fiend (your master) wants Russia and the West to engage in the kind of mass-fratricide that your fellow traveler$ foisted upon Russia and the West in the last century, which was very good for the (Zionist) Jews indeed. Duh.

    And a rapprochement between Russia and the West would threaten the bloodbath, and Zio’s absolute domination of what’s ever left of the smoking ruins, (provided it survived the conflagration, which is rather unlikely ; )

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    Thank you for replying. I'll leave it to Kiza, if he chooses, to respond. I'm not sure you and he ate singing from the same song sheet.
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    @Wally
    "Fireworks"?
    Not exactly, just a steady destruction of racist / Marxist Obama's efforts.

    see:

    'Bit by bit, Trump methodically undoing Obama policies'

    http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2017-04-03-US--Trump-Undoing%20Obama/id-c4fa9fa659394514aa645a7cfd3c31ed

    Oh come on, Marxist? Obama? The guy is pure corporatist, to the right of Bill Clinton and Ike both. No Marxist, he.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Can you say 'Saul Alinsky'?

    How Saul Alinsky Taught Barack Obama Everything He Knows About Civic Upheaval
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2012/03/14/how%20saul%20alinsky%20taught%20barack%20obama%20everything%20he%20knows%20about%20civic%20upheaval/

  34. I don’t know what he was talking about but maybe any night is a bad night in Sweden nowadays.

    This Russian article translates as “Raped Sick Sweden Stockholm Syndrome,” according to Google.

    http://www.kp.ru/daily/26660/3681500/

    Suddenly he made his way through the crowd, a white man in a cap with the Wahhabi beard without a mustache , who asked me in English: – Live you want?

    - Want. Any suggestions?

    - You do not understand what they were saying to each other, and I understand. You first raped and then killed.

    - Actually, I’m in Sweden .

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  35. @Anon
    Oh come on, Marxist? Obama? The guy is pure corporatist, to the right of Bill Clinton and Ike both. No Marxist, he.

    Can you say ‘Saul Alinsky’?

    How Saul Alinsky Taught Barack Obama Everything He Knows About Civic Upheaval

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2012/03/14/how%20saul%20alinsky%20taught%20barack%20obama%20everything%20he%20knows%20about%20civic%20upheaval/

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    • Replies: @Anon
    And Bannon says he's a Leninist. Embracing the tactics doesn't mean you embrace the ideology.
  36. @Art
    I wonder if Trump has military deep State informers as opposed to CIA deep State?

    Sam J,

    An excellent point – this division between the Jew globalist Deep State (State Department, CIA, NSA) and the old-line military industrial Deep State, is most useful. Clearly Trump, by appointing all those generals to his administration, is siding with the military Deep State.

    Mike Pompeo who is the head of the CIA is x-military – Gen Kelly head of Homeland Security is also x-military – good signs.

    The thing that worries the most, is Ivanka and Jared Kushner having so much power over Trump. Where they come down on the Jew question is a great unknown. It could be very dangerous for America.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Have not heard about drome killings by the CIA like Obama did – this is good.

    p.s. Chucky Israel and the Jews in the Senate are doing everything that can to back up the Jew Deep State.

    Hey Genius

    What’s a “drome killing”?

    It sounds dangerous!

    Peace
    Sherm

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    • Replies: @Art
    Hey Sherm,

    You are really energized today – did you go to the Golan this morning and get a good whiff of Arab blood?

    You must be so proud – Chucky Israel and his Jew brothers are shutting down Stockholm-Congress. Every chance those Jews get they stop Trump from improving America.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. How do you zombies do it - 80-90 percent of you Jews are always on the same page. Within an hour or two you'l tell the same lies - it is amazing.
  37. As I remember it, Trump made the statement around Saturday 11AM in Florida.

    Sweden is several hours ahead of Florida time. Around 7 PM Friday night in Rekby Sweden there was an altercation between immigrant criminals and police skirmishes went on all night and the riot began on Saturday night in Sweden.
    That Rekby riot accelerated and went on for a few days
    I was Internet surfing midnight Friday pacific time By that time it was early Saturday AM in Sweden and it was posted on sites like Brussels Journal and Gates of Vienna. The news soon spread to American websites

    So if I knew about the altercation in Rekby by Saturday AM Trump’s aides could have been on the Internet as I was.

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    • Replies: @utu
    Riots erupted in a heavily immigrant Stockholm suburb Monday night, as masked looters set cars ablaze and threw rocks at cops, injuring one police officer, Swedish officials said.
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/21/rioting-erupts-in-immigrant-dominated-swedish-suburb.html

    Between 30-50 people were involved in the unrest which broke out at around 8pm on Monday following the arrest of a wanted person at a metro station in the area, according to police.
    https://www.rt.com/news/378291-sweden-police-riot-rinkeby/

    Rioting broke out in the evenings between Monday, 20 February - Thursday, 23 February, with a crowd of 25 to 30 masked men who assembled after a drug-related arrest near the Metro station.[3] In four hours of unrest, several fires were started, at least seven cars burnt, shops vandalized and police hit with rocks.

    Because the riots broke out two days after the president of the United States of America, Donald Trump, made an unfounded remark suggesting a major disastrous event had taken place in Sweden on Friday 17, the day prior to his speech, the Rinkeby riots of 2017 drew wide international attention.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Rinkeby_riots

    Clearly there was some miscommunications. Hired rioters were not ready to riot on Friday as it was Muslim day off. Somebody screwed up. Israel Shamir and his команда?
  38. @JL
    Well, it's nice to read an optimistic take on the first few months of the Trump presidency considering how grim the situation currently appears. There are a lot of reasons I voted for him, but primary among them was his anti-establishment view on Russia and his stated aim of some kind of reconciliation. I'm among the apparent minority of Americans who thinks war with Russia is a bad idea and avoiding it should be a top priority. So far the result has been pretty much the opposite, however, with the same old neocon banter coming from SecDef, SecState and that dumb cunt Haley at the UN.

    I'm willing to give him some time, I always thought it would take at least six months for him to consolidate power, and probably considerably longer, before he could start to enact the more ambitious promises of his campaign. Considering the way Russia is being used as a stick to beat him with, and the considerable resistance he faces from both parties on the topic, it's possible there is some type of an arrangement to put US/Russia relations on the back burner for the time being. I'm also reminded of how many times I counted him out during the presidential campaign and how he managed to pull through anyway.

    There probably were more people that voted for Trump mainly because of his efforts to establish a more friendly relationship with Russia than we have been led to believe. In my mind, it all fit together, peace with Russia, maintaining our borders and thereby maintaining our unique national character, and making America great again through sensible economic policies.

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  39. @David
    On Trump's Sweden comment, NPR reported that he'd claimed a terrorist attack had occurred the prior evening. They then went on to report all the replies his comment got from Sweden and elsewhere in that context. They never reported the actual comment or retracted their claim about terrorism.

    If you don't listen to it a lot, you can't know how pernicious NPR is.

    I live in NY and the local NPR station is probably in a league of its own. The week following the election every morning was devoted to listening to people phoning in sobbing in disbelief about the results. It was sickening.

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    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
    Old fogey:

    While the sobbing may have stopped the disbelief is still ongoing. That and the smugness of the NPR and WNYC radio hosts are truly nauseating!
  40. @Art
    I wonder if Trump has military deep State informers as opposed to CIA deep State?

    Sam J,

    An excellent point – this division between the Jew globalist Deep State (State Department, CIA, NSA) and the old-line military industrial Deep State, is most useful. Clearly Trump, by appointing all those generals to his administration, is siding with the military Deep State.

    Mike Pompeo who is the head of the CIA is x-military – Gen Kelly head of Homeland Security is also x-military – good signs.

    The thing that worries the most, is Ivanka and Jared Kushner having so much power over Trump. Where they come down on the Jew question is a great unknown. It could be very dangerous for America.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. Have not heard about drome killings by the CIA like Obama did – this is good.

    p.s. Chucky Israel and the Jews in the Senate are doing everything that can to back up the Jew Deep State.

    The thing that worries the most, is Ivanka and Jared Kushner having so much power over Trump.

    You are absolutely right. They should go back home as soon as possible if they are not being used by Trump himself as a distraction for something about which folks like us know nothing.

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  41. @utu
    Ok, NPR is very bad. But how do you explain what Trump said

    You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden.
     
    and the riot in Sweden did not start until few days later?

    So what Trump was actually talking about? Did some friendly to Trump faction in CIA organize the riot but was late few days? Or was it FSB that helped to jump off the riot? Or was it Israel Shamir (might be the same as FSB) who resides, I think, in Sweden who organized the riots? Why Trump was so lucky in this case?

    and the riot in Sweden did not start until few days later?

    Yeah, that is one hell of a strange thing, eh? You asked me earlier what I am working on and one piece (though it’s actually a sub-heading) is entitled “Donald Trump is a prophet and a man of God”.

    It is somehow taken as normal that somebody talks about something BEFORE it happens. Maybe that started with Building 7, where the BBC reporter Jane Standley reported the building has collapsed before it happened. This is somehow the new normal.

    Here is another thing. Look for footage on youtube of Muslims rioting in Rinkeby, Sweden. A bunch of stuff comes up but none of it shows anything. It mostly shows empty streets and some cars burning, but it is not at all clear who set the cars on fire…

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    • Replies: @utu

    It is somehow taken as normal that somebody talks about something BEFORE it happens
     
    "On 13 September, just hours after the second explosion in Moscow, Russian Duma speaker Gennadiy Seleznyov of the Communist Party made an announcement, "I have just received a report. According to information from Rostov-on-Don, an apartment building in the city of Volgodonsk was blown up last night." However, the bombing in Volgodonsk took place three days later, on 16 September. When the Volgodonsk bombing happened, Vladimir Zhirinovsky demanded an explanation in the Duma, but Seleznev turned his microphone off. Vladimir Zhirinovsky said in the Russian Duma: "Remember, Gennadiy Nikolaevich, how you told us that a house has been blown up in Volgodonsk, three days prior to the blast? How should we interpret this? The State Duma knows that the house was destroyed on Monday, and it has indeed been blown up on Thursday [same week]... How come... the state authorities of Rostov region were not warned in advance [about the future bombing], although it was reported to us? Everyone is sleeping, the house was destroyed three days later, and now we must take urgent measures..." [Seleznev turned his microphone off]."
    , @NoseytheDuke
    Reminds me of an old joke about the mob. Two mobsters bump into one another at a restaurant and one says, "hey Jimmy, I'm so sorry to hear that your warehouse burned down". Jimmy says, "sssshhhh! It's tomorrow".
    , @Nils
    People believe the deep state is on some messianic mission but what it actually looks like is a coordinated attempt at maintaining dollar hegemony by disrupting near peers e.g. China and Russia. In parallel to this is an elite that has thrived with connections to those who spend the printed fiat, a co-habitation of the parasite on the host of sorts. There's absolutely no way Trump could have beaten a system with trillions of dollars at stake - there is only one conclusion and it's he's part of it. Sure there could be factions, but those factions want control of the money not to project morals. Now if I was in CIA or NSA and could measure US population feelings in aggregate then I could see severe dissatisfaction. One solution is to fake a presidential drama, rife with psychological warfare - BLM and other racial tension stokers, agitprop (Alex Jones), propaganda, etc, that would also leave the foreign governments of China and Russia unable to predict future actions accurately. This drama directs sentiment at angles not affecting the overall status quo. Hence Trump would have inside knowledge of agitprop false flags like migrant attacks, shootings, etc, that would increase our trust in his leadership abilities. Maybe he is more
    Moral deep state figure not wanting to engage in useless wars, but I bet it's just the deep state realizing the old method cannot work where blatant false flags beget naked military aggression. The strategy has rotated to population management and color revolutions, with financial warfare also being used where applicable.
    , @Alden
    Muslims are always on the verge of rioting in Rinkby and other muslim areas of Sweden. Every time a police, fire, ambulance or even a city bus appears the muslims start scuffles which become mini riots.

    They are building anew police station in Rinkby. It will be a fortress. Police officers have been informed they cannot use public transit to get to work in Rinkby or leave their fortress alone.
  42. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    {There were recently many threats against Jewish institutions all over the US.}

    Which threats? the grave stone are moved by the Zionists to play the victim card AGAIN? We are tired of the Zionist lies. It does not work anymore because you have exposed all over the world.

    {He said that the Jews probably did the threats themselves, or something to such effect.}

    100% correct. No one believe a word of the criminal Zionist tribe.

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  43. @Old fogey
    I live in NY and the local NPR station is probably in a league of its own. The week following the election every morning was devoted to listening to people phoning in sobbing in disbelief about the results. It was sickening.

    Old fogey:

    While the sobbing may have stopped the disbelief is still ongoing. That and the smugness of the NPR and WNYC radio hosts are truly nauseating!

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  44. @utu
    Ok, NPR is very bad. But how do you explain what Trump said

    You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden.
     
    and the riot in Sweden did not start until few days later?

    So what Trump was actually talking about? Did some friendly to Trump faction in CIA organize the riot but was late few days? Or was it FSB that helped to jump off the riot? Or was it Israel Shamir (might be the same as FSB) who resides, I think, in Sweden who organized the riots? Why Trump was so lucky in this case?

    Are riots in Sweden now so common they happen every few days, regardless what Trump or anyone else says?

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    Are riots in Sweden now so common they happen every few days,
     
    Some of the right-wingers here should really just go to Sweden and see if it really is some sort of Nordic equivalent of Somalia or something. Then they could report back.

    I have to admit that I have never been there or any other Scandinavian country. That is not because of the constant rioting. My understanding was always that these are very orderly places. I just hate the damned cold.

    Still, almost everything I believed about the world a decade ago has turned out to be false. So probably, I was misinformed about Sweden as well. Most likely Sweden is a tropical country and there is constant rioting going on.
  45. @Sam J.
    I wonder if Trump has military deep State informers as opposed to CIA deep State? The military has been taking a beating. They're in wars all over that the Jews started by bombing the WTC on 9-11. Maybe they've had enough and are setting up the CIA deep State for the kill. The CIA has been fairly haphazard about their operations. Smuggling drugs, lots of kiddie abuse for blackmail and all of this stuff is fairly well documented.

    I wonder if the CIA and NSA are not covered up in Jews? Contrarily the DIA would not be, as Jews don't want to serve in the military. The CIA and NSA if full of Jews naturally only works for Jews as all Jewish institutions refuse to do anything useful unless it enriches Jews or adds to their power. Hence the stupidity of our intelligence operations viewed in light of US interest. Fine for Israelis though.

    So why not just come out with it? 9-11 via building #7 would simple to prove the whole thing was an inside job. Maybe they believe that it would be such a shock that it would destroy ALL faith in government and destroy support for the military and most importantly Empire level military spending.

    ” Contrarily the DIA would not be, as Jews don’t want to serve in the military.”

    Must inform you that DIA is staffed by civilians, and of course there are many Jews in key positions. I wrote once before about a Jewish cabal’s attempts to expel one of the last Goy from the Soviet desk.

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  46. @Jonathan Revusky

    and the riot in Sweden did not start until few days later?
     
    Yeah, that is one hell of a strange thing, eh? You asked me earlier what I am working on and one piece (though it's actually a sub-heading) is entitled "Donald Trump is a prophet and a man of God".

    It is somehow taken as normal that somebody talks about something BEFORE it happens. Maybe that started with Building 7, where the BBC reporter Jane Standley reported the building has collapsed before it happened. This is somehow the new normal.

    Here is another thing. Look for footage on youtube of Muslims rioting in Rinkeby, Sweden. A bunch of stuff comes up but none of it shows anything. It mostly shows empty streets and some cars burning, but it is not at all clear who set the cars on fire...

    It is somehow taken as normal that somebody talks about something BEFORE it happens

    “On 13 September, just hours after the second explosion in Moscow, Russian Duma speaker Gennadiy Seleznyov of the Communist Party made an announcement, “I have just received a report. According to information from Rostov-on-Don, an apartment building in the city of Volgodonsk was blown up last night.” However, the bombing in Volgodonsk took place three days later, on 16 September. When the Volgodonsk bombing happened, Vladimir Zhirinovsky demanded an explanation in the Duma, but Seleznev turned his microphone off. Vladimir Zhirinovsky said in the Russian Duma: “Remember, Gennadiy Nikolaevich, how you told us that a house has been blown up in Volgodonsk, three days prior to the blast? How should we interpret this? The State Duma knows that the house was destroyed on Monday, and it has indeed been blown up on Thursday [same week]… How come… the state authorities of Rostov region were not warned in advance [about the future bombing], although it was reported to us? Everyone is sleeping, the house was destroyed three days later, and now we must take urgent measures…” [Seleznev turned his microphone off].”

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    Hey, thanks. I'm not sure I knew about this. If I did, I had forgotten. I may be able to use this in an article I am working on.

    So many latter-day prophets, eh? Donald Trump, Jane Standley, and this Gennadiy Seleznyov...

    Seleznyov is the most intriguing. He is a living prophet but also a card-carrying Communist...
  47. @Wally
    And how long has he been in office?

    And even that, have you actually seen his various executive orders?

    “And how long has he been in office?

    And even that, have you actually seen his various executive orders?”

    He has been in office long enough to make a number of big mistakes especially in who to trust and who to appoint to positions.

    He has made some very good executive orders but he is hamstrung by his detractors, both Democrat and Republicans, which proves what I have said a number of times…Democracy does not work.
    When he needs to get the support of Congress he must compromise his good ideas with bullshit.

    Stupidity and corruption have always doomed Democracy.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    So you support dictatorships, royalty, or what?

    'Bit by bit, Trump methodically undoing Obama policies'
    http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2017-04-03-US--Trump-Undoing%20Obama/id-c4fa9fa659394514aa645a7cfd3c31ed

  48. @Alden
    As I remember it, Trump made the statement around Saturday 11AM in Florida.

    Sweden is several hours ahead of Florida time. Around 7 PM Friday night in Rekby Sweden there was an altercation between immigrant criminals and police skirmishes went on all night and the riot began on Saturday night in Sweden.
    That Rekby riot accelerated and went on for a few days
    I was Internet surfing midnight Friday pacific time By that time it was early Saturday AM in Sweden and it was posted on sites like Brussels Journal and Gates of Vienna. The news soon spread to American websites

    So if I knew about the altercation in Rekby by Saturday AM Trump's aides could have been on the Internet as I was.

    Riots erupted in a heavily immigrant Stockholm suburb Monday night, as masked looters set cars ablaze and threw rocks at cops, injuring one police officer, Swedish officials said.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/21/rioting-erupts-in-immigrant-dominated-swedish-suburb.html

    Between 30-50 people were involved in the unrest which broke out at around 8pm on Monday following the arrest of a wanted person at a metro station in the area, according to police.

    https://www.rt.com/news/378291-sweden-police-riot-rinkeby/

    Rioting broke out in the evenings between Monday, 20 February – Thursday, 23 February, with a crowd of 25 to 30 masked men who assembled after a drug-related arrest near the Metro station.[3] In four hours of unrest, several fires were started, at least seven cars burnt, shops vandalized and police hit with rocks.

    Because the riots broke out two days after the president of the United States of America, Donald Trump, made an unfounded remark suggesting a major disastrous event had taken place in Sweden on Friday 17, the day prior to his speech, the Rinkeby riots of 2017 drew wide international attention.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Rinkeby_riots

    Clearly there was some miscommunications. Hired rioters were not ready to riot on Friday as it was Muslim day off. Somebody screwed up. Israel Shamir and his команда?

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Rinkeby_riots
     
    Utu, here are 3 things that the Rinkeby riots have in common with the Cologne railway station mass sexual assaults:

    1. Muslims, muslims, muslims. THE MUSLIMS!!!!
    2. Wikipedia says it happened.
    3. You can scour youtube and the rest of the internet and you can never find any video footage of it.
    , @Alden
    I have remembered what happened in Rekby Friday evening Swedish time. The subway station in Rekby is a notorious drug dealing area both down in the station itself and on the sidewalks above it. After a through investigation, on Friday evening about 6 pm Swedish time the police arrested the head drug wholesaler who operated at Rekby station.

    As he was arrested his gang and others attacked the police and a ruckus ensued. Things did not calm down. By midnight US pacific time, around 9 am Saturday in Sweden I read about the fights and riot beginning in Rekby Friday night and ongoing on Saturday morning in Sweden.

    Anyone who was on the internet Friday evening and Saturday could read about the Rekby drug dealers arrest, the altercations that resulted and the fact that things accelerated Saturday and sunday.

    The Swedish government did not acknowledge what was going on until late Sunday night Swedish time.

    I posted what went on in Rekby beginning Friday night Swedish time. I don't know why you posted your silly clip and pastes. Are you trying to tell me that the Rekby altercations that began the riot didn't happen? Or that I just made it up?

    Why don't you and others post your own thoughts instead of just clipping and pasting the MSM fake news?
  49. @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    What's a "drome killing"?

    It sounds dangerous!

    Peace
    Sherm

    Hey Sherm,

    You are really energized today – did you go to the Golan this morning and get a good whiff of Arab blood?

    You must be so proud – Chucky Israel and his Jew brothers are shutting down Stockholm-Congress. Every chance those Jews get they stop Trump from improving America.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. How do you zombies do it – 80-90 percent of you Jews are always on the same page. Within an hour or two you’l tell the same lies – it is amazing.

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    Hey Genius

    "Every chance those Jews get they stop Trump from improving America".

    I'd say the Jews are preventing Trump from bringing your job back home from overseas.

    However, I think you're too stupid to have ever had a job in the first place.

    Peace

    Sherm

    P.S. "You'l" s/b "you'll".
  50. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Wally
    Can you say 'Saul Alinsky'?

    How Saul Alinsky Taught Barack Obama Everything He Knows About Civic Upheaval
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2012/03/14/how%20saul%20alinsky%20taught%20barack%20obama%20everything%20he%20knows%20about%20civic%20upheaval/

    And Bannon says he’s a Leninist. Embracing the tactics doesn’t mean you embrace the ideology.

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    You're going nowhere fast.

    'Let’s Admit Obama Is a Marxist Transforming Us Into a Totalitarian Hellhole'
    http://www.independentsentinel.com/lets-admit-obama-is-a-marxist-transforming-us-into-a-totalitarian-hellhole/

    'Obama's Marxist Explanation Of Terrorism'
    http://www.dailywire.com/news/8158/obamas-marxist-explanation-terrorism-robert-kraychik

    'Top 20 Events Which Prove Obama Is A Marxist Communist'
    https://hubpages.com/politics/Top-20-Events-Which-Prove-Obama-Is-A-Marxist-Communist

    'Obama Admits Communist “Schooled” him on White Racism '
    http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obama-admits-communist-schooled-him-on-white-racism/

  51. @Darin
    Are riots in Sweden now so common they happen every few days, regardless what Trump or anyone else says?

    Are riots in Sweden now so common they happen every few days,

    Some of the right-wingers here should really just go to Sweden and see if it really is some sort of Nordic equivalent of Somalia or something. Then they could report back.

    I have to admit that I have never been there or any other Scandinavian country. That is not because of the constant rioting. My understanding was always that these are very orderly places. I just hate the damned cold.

    Still, almost everything I believed about the world a decade ago has turned out to be false. So probably, I was misinformed about Sweden as well. Most likely Sweden is a tropical country and there is constant rioting going on.

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  52. @utu
    Riots erupted in a heavily immigrant Stockholm suburb Monday night, as masked looters set cars ablaze and threw rocks at cops, injuring one police officer, Swedish officials said.
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/21/rioting-erupts-in-immigrant-dominated-swedish-suburb.html

    Between 30-50 people were involved in the unrest which broke out at around 8pm on Monday following the arrest of a wanted person at a metro station in the area, according to police.
    https://www.rt.com/news/378291-sweden-police-riot-rinkeby/

    Rioting broke out in the evenings between Monday, 20 February - Thursday, 23 February, with a crowd of 25 to 30 masked men who assembled after a drug-related arrest near the Metro station.[3] In four hours of unrest, several fires were started, at least seven cars burnt, shops vandalized and police hit with rocks.

    Because the riots broke out two days after the president of the United States of America, Donald Trump, made an unfounded remark suggesting a major disastrous event had taken place in Sweden on Friday 17, the day prior to his speech, the Rinkeby riots of 2017 drew wide international attention.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Rinkeby_riots

    Clearly there was some miscommunications. Hired rioters were not ready to riot on Friday as it was Muslim day off. Somebody screwed up. Israel Shamir and his команда?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Rinkeby_riots

    Utu, here are 3 things that the Rinkeby riots have in common with the Cologne railway station mass sexual assaults:

    1. Muslims, muslims, muslims. THE MUSLIMS!!!!
    2. Wikipedia says it happened.
    3. You can scour youtube and the rest of the internet and you can never find any video footage of it.

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    JR, you often over do your point. Something happened there. Somebody set several cars on fire. Not a big deal. Pretty common occurrence in France.

    Almost 1,000 cars torched around France on New Year's Eve but government insists it 'went particularly well'
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/02/almost-1000-cars-torched-around-france-new-years-eve-government/
     
    Who did it is another issue. The issue here is why Trump was so lucky to kind of predict something happening? What Trump actually meant when he spoke about something happening in Sweden on Friday while the riot did not start until Monday evening the following week? Does it mean that Trump has allies in the Deep State who can make events happen on the ground for him? Why then what he spoke was not synchronize with the events? Did the rioters oversleep on Friday or did not get paid in time?

    The most important issue is whether Trump has allies in the Deep State. By knowing this we can judge whether he will have a chance to overcome the opposition. The fact that FBI arrested the Black guy in Missouri who was doing hoax calls to Jewish centers and more importantly that they managed to expose much bigger false flag anti-semitic operation run from Israel suggests that he or his allies begin to have some control over the narrative This is all about the narrative so far and not who did what because nothing so far is really happening. The anti-semitic false flag was just about the narrative.
  53. @utu

    It is somehow taken as normal that somebody talks about something BEFORE it happens
     
    "On 13 September, just hours after the second explosion in Moscow, Russian Duma speaker Gennadiy Seleznyov of the Communist Party made an announcement, "I have just received a report. According to information from Rostov-on-Don, an apartment building in the city of Volgodonsk was blown up last night." However, the bombing in Volgodonsk took place three days later, on 16 September. When the Volgodonsk bombing happened, Vladimir Zhirinovsky demanded an explanation in the Duma, but Seleznev turned his microphone off. Vladimir Zhirinovsky said in the Russian Duma: "Remember, Gennadiy Nikolaevich, how you told us that a house has been blown up in Volgodonsk, three days prior to the blast? How should we interpret this? The State Duma knows that the house was destroyed on Monday, and it has indeed been blown up on Thursday [same week]... How come... the state authorities of Rostov region were not warned in advance [about the future bombing], although it was reported to us? Everyone is sleeping, the house was destroyed three days later, and now we must take urgent measures..." [Seleznev turned his microphone off]."

    Hey, thanks. I’m not sure I knew about this. If I did, I had forgotten. I may be able to use this in an article I am working on.

    So many latter-day prophets, eh? Donald Trump, Jane Standley, and this Gennadiy Seleznyov…

    Seleznyov is the most intriguing. He is a living prophet but also a card-carrying Communist…

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  54. @Jonathan Revusky

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Rinkeby_riots
     
    Utu, here are 3 things that the Rinkeby riots have in common with the Cologne railway station mass sexual assaults:

    1. Muslims, muslims, muslims. THE MUSLIMS!!!!
    2. Wikipedia says it happened.
    3. You can scour youtube and the rest of the internet and you can never find any video footage of it.

    JR, you often over do your point. Something happened there. Somebody set several cars on fire. Not a big deal. Pretty common occurrence in France.

    Almost 1,000 cars torched around France on New Year’s Eve but government insists it ‘went particularly well’

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/02/almost-1000-cars-torched-around-france-new-years-eve-government/

    Who did it is another issue. The issue here is why Trump was so lucky to kind of predict something happening? What Trump actually meant when he spoke about something happening in Sweden on Friday while the riot did not start until Monday evening the following week? Does it mean that Trump has allies in the Deep State who can make events happen on the ground for him? Why then what he spoke was not synchronize with the events? Did the rioters oversleep on Friday or did not get paid in time?

    The most important issue is whether Trump has allies in the Deep State. By knowing this we can judge whether he will have a chance to overcome the opposition. The fact that FBI arrested the Black guy in Missouri who was doing hoax calls to Jewish centers and more importantly that they managed to expose much bigger false flag anti-semitic operation run from Israel suggests that he or his allies begin to have some control over the narrative This is all about the narrative so far and not who did what because nothing so far is really happening. The anti-semitic false flag was just about the narrative.

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    Something happened there.
     
    I don't know why you straw-man like this. Yes, something happened. Yes, the video footage shows burning cars. On empty streets. The point here is that the streets are empty in all that video footage. Or maybe there are a few individuals on the streets, but there is no "riot". Very specific example here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VALTGrAy7rc

    The video is a bit under 3 minutes long. Is there a "riot" in the footage shown? Note that it's under 3 minutes so you'd think there's more than those 3 minutes and this is the most shocking riot scenes distilled down to just 3 minutes, right? And this is what there is. It's very jerky hand-held camera video, but okay, there is one individual running around early on and I have no idea who that could be, but everybody else in the video seems to be cops, as far as I can see.

    But a riot is a disorderly mass of people. Where are the rioters?

    Yes, there are burning cars, but do you know who set the cars on fire? I don't know. Were the people who set the cars on fire Muslim immigrants? Maybe. Maybe not. If I could bet money, I would probably bet that it wasn't, but rather done by people who wanted to say Muslims did this, but again, I don't really know.

    But the thing is, it's easy enough to compare this to what actual riot footage looks like. Consider:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stK3YPz6WTc

    or:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAK_1f1Q4AQ&t=2s

    The first is Ukraine in 2014 and the second is blacks rioting in Baltimore in 2015. People are rioting for real, no shit. The Rinkeby footage, on the other hand, is almost entirely empty streets with a few burning cars and some cops running around. Where are the rioters? I don't think there are any. I think everybody in the video is a cop!

    Somebody set several cars on fire. Not a big deal.
     

    Utu, the point is not whether it's a big deal or not. (I agree it's not a big deal because it's not MY car. LOL.) The point is that it's NOT a "riot", definitionally. They're showing us a few burning cars (and it is not known who set the fires) and saying "Muslims are rioting." Where are all the rioting Muslims?

    It's about the same shit as with Cologne rail station. They label the video and say it's footage of the sexual assaults and there is no sexual assault in the video. Nothing. If somebody says there is a footage of a sexual assault, say, and then you watch the video and it's just people setting off fireworks in a square or even some cars burning as in this case, there is something strange going on.

    The point is that they are claiming that something happened and there is no video footage of it. Is that possible at this point in time? Everybody has got a video camera in their pockets. It's not too hard to get on youtube and find that there is no video footage of anybody being sexually assaulted in Cologne rail station. There is no video footage of these alleged Muslim riots in Rinkeby. All I can see is that somebody set fire to some cars. The streets are empty though. There is no riot.

    You can't have a conspiracy without conspirators and you can't have a riot without rioters, no?

    , @Alden
    Or perhaps one of Trump's aides like me was on the internet Friday night Saturday morning US east coast time 6 hours later than Swedish time and read the same reports I did about the altercations Friday night after the arrest of the drug dealer.
    , @Jonathan Revusky
    Part II

    The issue here is why Trump was so lucky to kind of predict something happening?
     
    Well, I don't really believe in such "luck". It seems to me that this whole thing about Sweden was a talking point handed to him. In principle, he was only supposed to use the talking point AFTER the synthetic event occurred, but... you know, it was one of these glitches in the Matrix, I guess...

    Here is an interesting question though: Which is stranger?

    A. That Trump talks about something before it happens.
    B. That the commentariat finds nothing strange about A.

    Did the rioters oversleep on Friday or did not get paid in time?

     

    What rioters? Some cars were set on fire, IMHO probably NOT by Muslim immigrants. But regardless, as far as I can see, the storyline of "Muslims rioting" did not happen. There is no video of anybody rioting, as I pointed out in the last response.

    The most important issue is whether Trump has allies in the Deep State.
     
    I assume he does, that Trump more or less represents certain Deep State faction(s), though I don't really understand it too well.

    But, on this Rinkeby thing, my own feel for this is that somebody who is part of this whole Islamophobia Industry was able to hand Trump the talking point about shit happening in Sweden. BUT OBVIOUSLY... the shit in Sweden was supposed to PRECEDE him talking about the shit in Sweden. So there was surely a screw-up, no?

    But somehow nobody finds it odd that Trump was talking about something before it happened. And, you know, there are all these people who just insist that there is nothing strange about Jane Standley reporting the collapse of WTC7 before it happened. Wilful obtuseness can be a powerful weapon, I guess...
    , @Erebus

    This is all about the narrative so far and not who did what because nothing so far is really happening.
     
    This is the money shot.
    We are at the point where we can reasonably assume that any popular narrative has but a tenuous connection to the truth. Having arrived at this God-forsaken spot, what do we see?

    The sponsors, creators and disseminators of popular narratives don't care a whit for the truth, or even the plausibility of the narrative they're propagating. They care only about its efficacy, and nothing besides.
    What has recently become plain is that, within the Western sphere, there are competing narratives, and by extension competing groups of sponsors etc operating at many levels.

    As the "Rioting Muslims" meme seems to be of interest here, let's start with that. We have the "multicultural" meme wherein the West is to welcome all and sundry, of any background, from anywhere, for humanitarian/economic/demographic reasons. "Multiculturalism" was established decades ago and has become ingrained. However, it recently went ballistic when literally millions of dubious provenance showed up on Europe's shores and were sold to the European public as "destitute and desperate refugees".
    Well, one look at them and they are, in the main, clearly not refugees at all. Their iPhones and Adidas belied the narrative. Who propagated that meme? Where did it come from? Why, and to what end? The name Couderhove-Kalergi has been bandied about, but that an otherwise unremarkable man gets a hare-brained scheme in his head and spends his life pursuing it is no explanation of how and why multiculturalism apparently got itself adopted by policy-makers across the Western world.
    At any rate, my working hypothesis is that recent developments created a backlash from some other faction of the deep state who saw that things were approaching a point of no return. Faced with the challenge of stopping it, they had to come up with a scheme that would not only work, but would work quickly. What better way than leveraging the public's vague disquiet would have to get emotionally charged to the point where political elites would have to pay attention.
    "Rioting/terrorizing Muslims" is what they came up with, and set their faux terrorists and rioters to the job of getting the public to dust off their pitchforks and put a stop to it. This group, admittedly, doesn't seem very professional, or at least not so deep that they can create suitable physical counterparts to the narratival side, and so look patently fake to anyone looking. Be that as it may, one can hope they're successful.
  55. @Rurik

    Would you please elaborate on the fireworks you are predicting?
     
    if I may wiz, I'd conjecture the "fireworks" might be characterized thus..

    wow, I don't use Google (for obvious reasons) so I Bing'd the word 'screeching' to find an appropriate visual for your edification. And then what did I see but someone has already created memes based specifically on the Trump/Putin meeting with precisely that word; 'screeching'

    https://i.redditmedia.com/Y8a7SsMI8Jq9XuZHDWUp8daHTin7cOM4kRKikkhUjsM.jpg?w=320&s=0f96e55e4fe39f2a890bdc24878cbd62

    http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/216/446/896.png

    https://pics.onsizzle.com/lets-be-freinds-da-autistic-screeching-~μιχαηλ-6975894.png


    go ahead and do it yourself. These are the first images that pop up under 'screeching', isn't that funny?

    and why are they screeching wiz?

    because Trump and Putin are threatening to transform the 21st century into one of sanity and peace, prosperity and mutual respect. Rather than the Zio-imposed, unilateral descent into a 20th century, Orwellian horror show redux.

    IOW the Fiend (your master) wants Russia and the West to engage in the kind of mass-fratricide that your fellow traveler$ foisted upon Russia and the West in the last century, which was very good for the (Zionist) Jews indeed. Duh.

    And a rapprochement between Russia and the West would threaten the bloodbath, and Zio's absolute domination of what's ever left of the smoking ruins, (provided it survived the conflagration, which is rather unlikely ; )

    Thank you for replying. I’ll leave it to Kiza, if he chooses, to respond. I’m not sure you and he ate singing from the same song sheet.

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  56. @Realist
    "And how long has he been in office?

    And even that, have you actually seen his various executive orders?"

    He has been in office long enough to make a number of big mistakes especially in who to trust and who to appoint to positions.

    He has made some very good executive orders but he is hamstrung by his detractors, both Democrat and Republicans, which proves what I have said a number of times...Democracy does not work.
    When he needs to get the support of Congress he must compromise his good ideas with bullshit.

    Stupidity and corruption have always doomed Democracy.

    So you support dictatorships, royalty, or what?

    ‘Bit by bit, Trump methodically undoing Obama policies’

    http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2017-04-03-US–Trump-Undoing%20Obama/id-c4fa9fa659394514aa645a7cfd3c31ed

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    I support a meritocracy, but almost anything is better than Democracy. This Democracy will not end well and something you don't like will replace it. Your rosy future for Trump is not warranted.
    I voted for Trump because the choice was horrific.
  57. @Anon
    And Bannon says he's a Leninist. Embracing the tactics doesn't mean you embrace the ideology.

    You’re going nowhere fast.

    ‘Let’s Admit Obama Is a Marxist Transforming Us Into a Totalitarian Hellhole’

    http://www.independentsentinel.com/lets-admit-obama-is-a-marxist-transforming-us-into-a-totalitarian-hellhole/

    ‘Obama’s Marxist Explanation Of Terrorism’

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/8158/obamas-marxist-explanation-terrorism-robert-kraychik

    ‘Top 20 Events Which Prove Obama Is A Marxist Communist’

    https://hubpages.com/politics/Top-20-Events-Which-Prove-Obama-Is-A-Marxist-Communist

    ‘Obama Admits Communist “Schooled” him on White Racism ‘

    http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obama-admits-communist-schooled-him-on-white-racism/

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    Obama this, Obama that...
     
    Hey, Wally. NEWS FLASH! OBAMA IS NO LONGER PRESIDENT!

    (Secondary news flash: Even when Obama was president, he was only the front man for the criminals really running the show. I mean to say, and don't take it as a really harsh reproach, but you're wasting your energy... this is all a distraction anyway...)

  58. We are making a real progress. It seems that accusing Russians for false flag terror acts by liberal media is OK now.

    https://sputniknews.com/politics/201704041052258690-news-corp-vp-putin-stpetersburg/

    Louise Mensch of News Corp just twitted:

    Putin has zero compunction about killing Russians to serve his own ends. Ask Vitaly Churn

    and then (the subject of Sweden we are interested here)

    Russia paying Swedes to riot. Russia killing their Ambassador in Turkey.

    My opinion? She can be right. False flag is Okhrana and NKVD 2nd name. CIA and Mossad are late comers in that game through by now they might be better than their teachers. NB BTW FYI, German intelligence services historically and currently are the biggest bunglers so they usually do not even try this kind of games. Gleiwitz if it even happened was a total failure nobody heard of until the end of war at Nuremberg trial. They are even unable to organize a convincing show trial. They acquitted Dimitrov in Reighstag trial and even did not try to put on trial the Jewish guy (Herschel Grynszpan) whose action lead to the Kristallnacht. Grynszpan survived prison and camps. Can you believe it? What a bunch of bunglers! You need a twisted Asiatic mind of Russian or a Jew to be able to engage in the treachery that is required to carry out false flags. Germans on the other hand obey their own rules, so they have problems breaking them. Probably it comes from them applying in practice the 1st and 2nd Kant’s categorical imperatives. It seems that Jews, Russians and probably Americans somehow managed to skip that point of moral evolution.

    Anyway, It is good that FALSE FLAGS are being talked about in media.

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  59. @utu
    JR, you often over do your point. Something happened there. Somebody set several cars on fire. Not a big deal. Pretty common occurrence in France.

    Almost 1,000 cars torched around France on New Year's Eve but government insists it 'went particularly well'
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/02/almost-1000-cars-torched-around-france-new-years-eve-government/
     
    Who did it is another issue. The issue here is why Trump was so lucky to kind of predict something happening? What Trump actually meant when he spoke about something happening in Sweden on Friday while the riot did not start until Monday evening the following week? Does it mean that Trump has allies in the Deep State who can make events happen on the ground for him? Why then what he spoke was not synchronize with the events? Did the rioters oversleep on Friday or did not get paid in time?

    The most important issue is whether Trump has allies in the Deep State. By knowing this we can judge whether he will have a chance to overcome the opposition. The fact that FBI arrested the Black guy in Missouri who was doing hoax calls to Jewish centers and more importantly that they managed to expose much bigger false flag anti-semitic operation run from Israel suggests that he or his allies begin to have some control over the narrative This is all about the narrative so far and not who did what because nothing so far is really happening. The anti-semitic false flag was just about the narrative.

    Something happened there.

    I don’t know why you straw-man like this. Yes, something happened. Yes, the video footage shows burning cars. On empty streets. The point here is that the streets are empty in all that video footage. Or maybe there are a few individuals on the streets, but there is no “riot”. Very specific example here:

    The video is a bit under 3 minutes long. Is there a “riot” in the footage shown? Note that it’s under 3 minutes so you’d think there’s more than those 3 minutes and this is the most shocking riot scenes distilled down to just 3 minutes, right? And this is what there is. It’s very jerky hand-held camera video, but okay, there is one individual running around early on and I have no idea who that could be, but everybody else in the video seems to be cops, as far as I can see.

    But a riot is a disorderly mass of people. Where are the rioters?

    Yes, there are burning cars, but do you know who set the cars on fire? I don’t know. Were the people who set the cars on fire Muslim immigrants? Maybe. Maybe not. If I could bet money, I would probably bet that it wasn’t, but rather done by people who wanted to say Muslims did this, but again, I don’t really know.

    But the thing is, it’s easy enough to compare this to what actual riot footage looks like. Consider:

    or:

    The first is Ukraine in 2014 and the second is blacks rioting in Baltimore in 2015. People are rioting for real, no shit. The Rinkeby footage, on the other hand, is almost entirely empty streets with a few burning cars and some cops running around. Where are the rioters? I don’t think there are any. I think everybody in the video is a cop!

    Somebody set several cars on fire. Not a big deal.

    Utu, the point is not whether it’s a big deal or not. (I agree it’s not a big deal because it’s not MY car. LOL.) The point is that it’s NOT a “riot”, definitionally. They’re showing us a few burning cars (and it is not known who set the fires) and saying “Muslims are rioting.” Where are all the rioting Muslims?

    It’s about the same shit as with Cologne rail station. They label the video and say it’s footage of the sexual assaults and there is no sexual assault in the video. Nothing. If somebody says there is a footage of a sexual assault, say, and then you watch the video and it’s just people setting off fireworks in a square or even some cars burning as in this case, there is something strange going on.

    The point is that they are claiming that something happened and there is no video footage of it. Is that possible at this point in time? Everybody has got a video camera in their pockets. It’s not too hard to get on youtube and find that there is no video footage of anybody being sexually assaulted in Cologne rail station. There is no video footage of these alleged Muslim riots in Rinkeby. All I can see is that somebody set fire to some cars. The streets are empty though. There is no riot.

    You can’t have a conspiracy without conspirators and you can’t have a riot without rioters, no?

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    Hey JR, you really sound like HIQI. And you did not read what I wrote. I really do not care whether it was Muslims or not. If if you had mile of footage you still could not prove this way or another who did it. How do you know that Blacks in Baltimore were not paid Haitians? I am sure you and your youtube yahoos could make such a point or that the riot in Ukraine was staged by Chinese? What do you want to prove? You get no clue what really is important in this game. Are you autistic or Asperger type who obsesses on one point and sometimes even can be brilliant in it but misses the whole picture? Everybody knows there are false flags and that there hoaxes but only idiots think they can prove them or disprove them using youtube information. And you are one of them, I am sorry to say it. Don't be such an idiot. The point is why the things are happening in terms of narrations? Whether they are true or not is secondary if you have no means of proving that they are true or not. Don't you see it? To what end the stories are constructed? Cui bono? What will be next? Who is fucking whom? Who will win?
  60. @utu
    Riots erupted in a heavily immigrant Stockholm suburb Monday night, as masked looters set cars ablaze and threw rocks at cops, injuring one police officer, Swedish officials said.
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/21/rioting-erupts-in-immigrant-dominated-swedish-suburb.html

    Between 30-50 people were involved in the unrest which broke out at around 8pm on Monday following the arrest of a wanted person at a metro station in the area, according to police.
    https://www.rt.com/news/378291-sweden-police-riot-rinkeby/

    Rioting broke out in the evenings between Monday, 20 February - Thursday, 23 February, with a crowd of 25 to 30 masked men who assembled after a drug-related arrest near the Metro station.[3] In four hours of unrest, several fires were started, at least seven cars burnt, shops vandalized and police hit with rocks.

    Because the riots broke out two days after the president of the United States of America, Donald Trump, made an unfounded remark suggesting a major disastrous event had taken place in Sweden on Friday 17, the day prior to his speech, the Rinkeby riots of 2017 drew wide international attention.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Rinkeby_riots

    Clearly there was some miscommunications. Hired rioters were not ready to riot on Friday as it was Muslim day off. Somebody screwed up. Israel Shamir and his команда?

    I have remembered what happened in Rekby Friday evening Swedish time. The subway station in Rekby is a notorious drug dealing area both down in the station itself and on the sidewalks above it. After a through investigation, on Friday evening about 6 pm Swedish time the police arrested the head drug wholesaler who operated at Rekby station.

    As he was arrested his gang and others attacked the police and a ruckus ensued. Things did not calm down. By midnight US pacific time, around 9 am Saturday in Sweden I read about the fights and riot beginning in Rekby Friday night and ongoing on Saturday morning in Sweden.

    Anyone who was on the internet Friday evening and Saturday could read about the Rekby drug dealers arrest, the altercations that resulted and the fact that things accelerated Saturday and sunday.

    The Swedish government did not acknowledge what was going on until late Sunday night Swedish time.

    I posted what went on in Rekby beginning Friday night Swedish time. I don’t know why you posted your silly clip and pastes. Are you trying to tell me that the Rekby altercations that began the riot didn’t happen? Or that I just made it up?

    Why don’t you and others post your own thoughts instead of just clipping and pasting the MSM fake news?

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    Why I should believe your recollections or confabulations? Find me some copies of what you claim you read on Friday night. And btw the place of which you speak with such authority is called Rinkeby not Rekby as you wrote 4 time in your last comment and few more times in the previous comment. You can't trust yourself.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Are you trying to tell me that the Rekby altercations that began the riot didn’t happen? Or that I just made it up?
     
    How come Wikipedia and the MSM all say there were all these "riots" and there is no video footage?
  61. @Wally
    You're going nowhere fast.

    'Let’s Admit Obama Is a Marxist Transforming Us Into a Totalitarian Hellhole'
    http://www.independentsentinel.com/lets-admit-obama-is-a-marxist-transforming-us-into-a-totalitarian-hellhole/

    'Obama's Marxist Explanation Of Terrorism'
    http://www.dailywire.com/news/8158/obamas-marxist-explanation-terrorism-robert-kraychik

    'Top 20 Events Which Prove Obama Is A Marxist Communist'
    https://hubpages.com/politics/Top-20-Events-Which-Prove-Obama-Is-A-Marxist-Communist

    'Obama Admits Communist “Schooled” him on White Racism '
    http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obama-admits-communist-schooled-him-on-white-racism/

    Obama this, Obama that…

    Hey, Wally. NEWS FLASH! OBAMA IS NO LONGER PRESIDENT!

    (Secondary news flash: Even when Obama was president, he was only the front man for the criminals really running the show. I mean to say, and don’t take it as a really harsh reproach, but you’re wasting your energy… this is all a distraction anyway…)

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    (Secondary news flash: Even when Obama was president, he was only the front man for the criminals really running the show.
     
    Jou-gatti Maine.
  62. @Ram
    !917 was a significant year when the Zionist mafia (today's NeoCons) took full control of Russia. The result was the death of 66 million mainly Orthodox Christians there. It took them until 1953 for the Slavs to liberate themselves.

    2017 is another significant year. Zionists are in full control of the USA. We have to await the result.

    2017 is another significant year. Zionists are in full control of the USA. We have to await the result.

    Not in full control. If they were, Clinton would have won the election and you wouldn’t have UNZ to post to. The present chaos comes from the failed 9/11 coup.

    There were never supposed to be elections after 9/11, the US was supposed to have gone to war with Iran, and the Patriot Act, Homeland Security and the NSA were supposed to have taken care of the Deplorables (eventual Trump voters).

    The problem with US citizens is that they think that by voting for Trump they have done their work and that he’ll take care of everything (“We have to await the result”) – and since you mentioned Russia in 1917, this was also the attitude of the Russian middle class. Someone else was supposed to deal with the Bolshevik insurgency (the military/Cossacks/Constitutional Convention or someone) while they got on with life as usual.

    If the majority of Russians had made it their personal political business to actively resist Bolshevism it would have failed, but they were lazy, complacent and couldn’t imagine what eventually happened. They were also confused by their own Russian intellectual class who fashionably celebrated counter-cultural radicalism (and were surprised when they also became its victims).

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    You really believe that Trump will lead some anti-Zionist insurgency? Amazing power of projection of wishful thinking that renders you totally blind to the reality and helpless like a naked baby.
  63. @Art
    Hey Sherm,

    You are really energized today – did you go to the Golan this morning and get a good whiff of Arab blood?

    You must be so proud – Chucky Israel and his Jew brothers are shutting down Stockholm-Congress. Every chance those Jews get they stop Trump from improving America.

    Peace --- Art

    p.s. How do you zombies do it - 80-90 percent of you Jews are always on the same page. Within an hour or two you'l tell the same lies - it is amazing.

    Hey Genius

    “Every chance those Jews get they stop Trump from improving America”.

    I’d say the Jews are preventing Trump from bringing your job back home from overseas.

    However, I think you’re too stupid to have ever had a job in the first place.

    Peace

    Sherm

    P.S. “You’l” s/b “you’ll”.

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    I've been reading your comments for some time now and it's YOU who is clearly the dumb one.

    Just stop digging, already. We're onto your game. It's ovah.
  64. @utu
    JR, you often over do your point. Something happened there. Somebody set several cars on fire. Not a big deal. Pretty common occurrence in France.

    Almost 1,000 cars torched around France on New Year's Eve but government insists it 'went particularly well'
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/02/almost-1000-cars-torched-around-france-new-years-eve-government/
     
    Who did it is another issue. The issue here is why Trump was so lucky to kind of predict something happening? What Trump actually meant when he spoke about something happening in Sweden on Friday while the riot did not start until Monday evening the following week? Does it mean that Trump has allies in the Deep State who can make events happen on the ground for him? Why then what he spoke was not synchronize with the events? Did the rioters oversleep on Friday or did not get paid in time?

    The most important issue is whether Trump has allies in the Deep State. By knowing this we can judge whether he will have a chance to overcome the opposition. The fact that FBI arrested the Black guy in Missouri who was doing hoax calls to Jewish centers and more importantly that they managed to expose much bigger false flag anti-semitic operation run from Israel suggests that he or his allies begin to have some control over the narrative This is all about the narrative so far and not who did what because nothing so far is really happening. The anti-semitic false flag was just about the narrative.

    Or perhaps one of Trump’s aides like me was on the internet Friday night Saturday morning US east coast time 6 hours later than Swedish time and read the same reports I did about the altercations Friday night after the arrest of the drug dealer.

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  65. @Jonathan Revusky

    Something happened there.
     
    I don't know why you straw-man like this. Yes, something happened. Yes, the video footage shows burning cars. On empty streets. The point here is that the streets are empty in all that video footage. Or maybe there are a few individuals on the streets, but there is no "riot". Very specific example here:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VALTGrAy7rc

    The video is a bit under 3 minutes long. Is there a "riot" in the footage shown? Note that it's under 3 minutes so you'd think there's more than those 3 minutes and this is the most shocking riot scenes distilled down to just 3 minutes, right? And this is what there is. It's very jerky hand-held camera video, but okay, there is one individual running around early on and I have no idea who that could be, but everybody else in the video seems to be cops, as far as I can see.

    But a riot is a disorderly mass of people. Where are the rioters?

    Yes, there are burning cars, but do you know who set the cars on fire? I don't know. Were the people who set the cars on fire Muslim immigrants? Maybe. Maybe not. If I could bet money, I would probably bet that it wasn't, but rather done by people who wanted to say Muslims did this, but again, I don't really know.

    But the thing is, it's easy enough to compare this to what actual riot footage looks like. Consider:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stK3YPz6WTc

    or:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAK_1f1Q4AQ&t=2s

    The first is Ukraine in 2014 and the second is blacks rioting in Baltimore in 2015. People are rioting for real, no shit. The Rinkeby footage, on the other hand, is almost entirely empty streets with a few burning cars and some cops running around. Where are the rioters? I don't think there are any. I think everybody in the video is a cop!

    Somebody set several cars on fire. Not a big deal.
     

    Utu, the point is not whether it's a big deal or not. (I agree it's not a big deal because it's not MY car. LOL.) The point is that it's NOT a "riot", definitionally. They're showing us a few burning cars (and it is not known who set the fires) and saying "Muslims are rioting." Where are all the rioting Muslims?

    It's about the same shit as with Cologne rail station. They label the video and say it's footage of the sexual assaults and there is no sexual assault in the video. Nothing. If somebody says there is a footage of a sexual assault, say, and then you watch the video and it's just people setting off fireworks in a square or even some cars burning as in this case, there is something strange going on.

    The point is that they are claiming that something happened and there is no video footage of it. Is that possible at this point in time? Everybody has got a video camera in their pockets. It's not too hard to get on youtube and find that there is no video footage of anybody being sexually assaulted in Cologne rail station. There is no video footage of these alleged Muslim riots in Rinkeby. All I can see is that somebody set fire to some cars. The streets are empty though. There is no riot.

    You can't have a conspiracy without conspirators and you can't have a riot without rioters, no?

    Hey JR, you really sound like HIQI. And you did not read what I wrote. I really do not care whether it was Muslims or not. If if you had mile of footage you still could not prove this way or another who did it. How do you know that Blacks in Baltimore were not paid Haitians? I am sure you and your youtube yahoos could make such a point or that the riot in Ukraine was staged by Chinese? What do you want to prove? You get no clue what really is important in this game. Are you autistic or Asperger type who obsesses on one point and sometimes even can be brilliant in it but misses the whole picture? Everybody knows there are false flags and that there hoaxes but only idiots think they can prove them or disprove them using youtube information. And you are one of them, I am sorry to say it. Don’t be such an idiot. The point is why the things are happening in terms of narrations? Whether they are true or not is secondary if you have no means of proving that they are true or not. Don’t you see it? To what end the stories are constructed? Cui bono? What will be next? Who is fucking whom? Who will win?

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    Well, I'm not sure what you think you we are in disagreement about. Somebody set fire to some cars in Rinkeby, Sweden. That seems certain. We do not know who did that, whether it was Muslims. I say that it was probably false flag in nature, where somebody else, not Muslim immigrants, set the cars on fire. But I am always saying that I don't know for sure. The videos all show the burning cars, but there is no way to deduce from that who set the fires.

    However, the synthetic narrative is that this has something to do with Muslim immigration, so presumably we are supposed to think that Muslims set fire to the cars. But there does not seem to be proof of that -- one way or the other.

    However, the point regarding the 3 videos is that in the first one, the one in Rinkeby, the streets are EMPTY. There is no riot going on. Do you look at that video and see a riot? The other two videos, in Kiev and Baltimore respectively, there is clearly something going on. They're not showing us empty streets. There ARE rioters. I'm just saying compare some real riot footage with what they are presenting us for Rinkeby, Sweden, that's all. I'm not getting into the question of paid agent provocateurs and the rest of it, which are things that we would have to get into if we were to really look at these other cases. But the only point I mean to make by showing these other cases, Kiev and Baltimore, is simply that in these cases there clearly IS a riot taking place, while in Rinkeby we are basically being shown empty streets. Okay, empty streets with a few burning cars, but again, there is no riot going on in any of the video footage that purports to show the riot. I think that is quite an interesting fact to consider.

    You really don't see my point?


    Everybody knows there are false flags and that there hoaxes
     
    Well, not everybody... we both know it... other people know it. Some people may know it but pretend not to for whatever reasons...

    but only idiots think they can prove them or disprove them using youtube information.
     
    Utu, I think I'm being quite up front about the limits of what can be proven with such videos. It's other people showing these videos and saying they prove whatever, and I'm saying that they do NOT prove what they purport to prove. You know, typically, they show you a few masked people doing something, or they show you some cars burning or something else and then they label the video as "Muslims rioting" somewhere and the most obvious thing to ask is, like, how do you know that the masked individuals are even Muslims? They're masked! In Charlie Hebdo, you have some masked guys screaming "Allahu Akhbar, the prophet is avenged" or some corny shit like that and everybody is like: "Oh, yeah, Muslims..." Right. Only Muslims could say that line, right? (WRONG.) But again, wilful obtuseness seems to make the world go round...

    But anyway, I feel I am using youtube for something you can use it for. What I'm doing here is comparing what they are showing us for the alleged riots in Rinkeby with what riot footage looks like in a couple of other well known cases. I am certainly NOT claiming that you can know everything about these things from looking at videos on youtube.


    Whether they are true or not is secondary if you have no means of proving that they are true or not.
     
    I agree, but I tend to think that the only sane default assumption is that whatever they are telling us is not true.

    But anyway, to answer your question as best I can... the purpose of the various Islamophobic synthetic narratives is some sort of strategy of tension, to create a very exaggerated sense of insecurity that they will then exploit. But that's only a very general answer, of course...

    To get back to the whole question of Trump talking about shit before it happened, well, as I said, that is bad coordination. The people who handed him that talking point, he obviously was supposed to use that after the synthetic event was executed. Surely we agree on that, no?
    , @Alden
    Its who is fu****g who, not whom. Whom is the object of a preposition, not the object of a sentence.

    You really should pick one topic and expand on it instead of spewing every conspiracy theory you found on the internet.
  66. @utu
    JR, you often over do your point. Something happened there. Somebody set several cars on fire. Not a big deal. Pretty common occurrence in France.

    Almost 1,000 cars torched around France on New Year's Eve but government insists it 'went particularly well'
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/02/almost-1000-cars-torched-around-france-new-years-eve-government/
     
    Who did it is another issue. The issue here is why Trump was so lucky to kind of predict something happening? What Trump actually meant when he spoke about something happening in Sweden on Friday while the riot did not start until Monday evening the following week? Does it mean that Trump has allies in the Deep State who can make events happen on the ground for him? Why then what he spoke was not synchronize with the events? Did the rioters oversleep on Friday or did not get paid in time?

    The most important issue is whether Trump has allies in the Deep State. By knowing this we can judge whether he will have a chance to overcome the opposition. The fact that FBI arrested the Black guy in Missouri who was doing hoax calls to Jewish centers and more importantly that they managed to expose much bigger false flag anti-semitic operation run from Israel suggests that he or his allies begin to have some control over the narrative This is all about the narrative so far and not who did what because nothing so far is really happening. The anti-semitic false flag was just about the narrative.

    Part II

    The issue here is why Trump was so lucky to kind of predict something happening?

    Well, I don’t really believe in such “luck”. It seems to me that this whole thing about Sweden was a talking point handed to him. In principle, he was only supposed to use the talking point AFTER the synthetic event occurred, but… you know, it was one of these glitches in the Matrix, I guess…

    Here is an interesting question though: Which is stranger?

    A. That Trump talks about something before it happens.
    B. That the commentariat finds nothing strange about A.

    Did the rioters oversleep on Friday or did not get paid in time?

    What rioters? Some cars were set on fire, IMHO probably NOT by Muslim immigrants. But regardless, as far as I can see, the storyline of “Muslims rioting” did not happen. There is no video of anybody rioting, as I pointed out in the last response.

    The most important issue is whether Trump has allies in the Deep State.

    I assume he does, that Trump more or less represents certain Deep State faction(s), though I don’t really understand it too well.

    But, on this Rinkeby thing, my own feel for this is that somebody who is part of this whole Islamophobia Industry was able to hand Trump the talking point about shit happening in Sweden. BUT OBVIOUSLY… the shit in Sweden was supposed to PRECEDE him talking about the shit in Sweden. So there was surely a screw-up, no?

    But somehow nobody finds it odd that Trump was talking about something before it happened. And, you know, there are all these people who just insist that there is nothing strange about Jane Standley reporting the collapse of WTC7 before it happened. Wilful obtuseness can be a powerful weapon, I guess…

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    "But somehow nobody finds it odd that Trump was talking about something before it happened."
     
    Not really, see my comment #59 and Louise Mensch of News Corp. And Rachel Meadow probably will be next blaming Putin for the false flag in St. Petersburg And if she does, she might happen to be right, IMHO.
  67. @Alden
    I have remembered what happened in Rekby Friday evening Swedish time. The subway station in Rekby is a notorious drug dealing area both down in the station itself and on the sidewalks above it. After a through investigation, on Friday evening about 6 pm Swedish time the police arrested the head drug wholesaler who operated at Rekby station.

    As he was arrested his gang and others attacked the police and a ruckus ensued. Things did not calm down. By midnight US pacific time, around 9 am Saturday in Sweden I read about the fights and riot beginning in Rekby Friday night and ongoing on Saturday morning in Sweden.

    Anyone who was on the internet Friday evening and Saturday could read about the Rekby drug dealers arrest, the altercations that resulted and the fact that things accelerated Saturday and sunday.

    The Swedish government did not acknowledge what was going on until late Sunday night Swedish time.

    I posted what went on in Rekby beginning Friday night Swedish time. I don't know why you posted your silly clip and pastes. Are you trying to tell me that the Rekby altercations that began the riot didn't happen? Or that I just made it up?

    Why don't you and others post your own thoughts instead of just clipping and pasting the MSM fake news?

    Why I should believe your recollections or confabulations? Find me some copies of what you claim you read on Friday night. And btw the place of which you speak with such authority is called Rinkeby not Rekby as you wrote 4 time in your last comment and few more times in the previous comment. You can’t trust yourself.

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  68. @Alden
    I have remembered what happened in Rekby Friday evening Swedish time. The subway station in Rekby is a notorious drug dealing area both down in the station itself and on the sidewalks above it. After a through investigation, on Friday evening about 6 pm Swedish time the police arrested the head drug wholesaler who operated at Rekby station.

    As he was arrested his gang and others attacked the police and a ruckus ensued. Things did not calm down. By midnight US pacific time, around 9 am Saturday in Sweden I read about the fights and riot beginning in Rekby Friday night and ongoing on Saturday morning in Sweden.

    Anyone who was on the internet Friday evening and Saturday could read about the Rekby drug dealers arrest, the altercations that resulted and the fact that things accelerated Saturday and sunday.

    The Swedish government did not acknowledge what was going on until late Sunday night Swedish time.

    I posted what went on in Rekby beginning Friday night Swedish time. I don't know why you posted your silly clip and pastes. Are you trying to tell me that the Rekby altercations that began the riot didn't happen? Or that I just made it up?

    Why don't you and others post your own thoughts instead of just clipping and pasting the MSM fake news?

    Are you trying to tell me that the Rekby altercations that began the riot didn’t happen? Or that I just made it up?

    How come Wikipedia and the MSM all say there were all these “riots” and there is no video footage?

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  69. @Miro23

    2017 is another significant year. Zionists are in full control of the USA. We have to await the result.
     
    Not in full control. If they were, Clinton would have won the election and you wouldn't have UNZ to post to. The present chaos comes from the failed 9/11 coup.

    There were never supposed to be elections after 9/11, the US was supposed to have gone to war with Iran, and the Patriot Act, Homeland Security and the NSA were supposed to have taken care of the Deplorables (eventual Trump voters).

    The problem with US citizens is that they think that by voting for Trump they have done their work and that he'll take care of everything ("We have to await the result") - and since you mentioned Russia in 1917, this was also the attitude of the Russian middle class. Someone else was supposed to deal with the Bolshevik insurgency (the military/Cossacks/Constitutional Convention or someone) while they got on with life as usual.

    If the majority of Russians had made it their personal political business to actively resist Bolshevism it would have failed, but they were lazy, complacent and couldn't imagine what eventually happened. They were also confused by their own Russian intellectual class who fashionably celebrated counter-cultural radicalism (and were surprised when they also became its victims).

    You really believe that Trump will lead some anti-Zionist insurgency? Amazing power of projection of wishful thinking that renders you totally blind to the reality and helpless like a naked baby.

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    Who knows what Trump is going to do? I'm talking about the public becoming politically active again. Alexis de Toqueville travelled in early 19th Century America , and contrasted it with the aristocracy dominated Europe that he knew.

    He was surprised by the lack of American deference to central power (which was in fact weak by design) and the ability of local American communities to sort out their own affairs on a very egalitarian basis. It was rough, but produced an incredible dynamism when it was repeated across the nation.

    Also, it's not so difficult to get out in the street. I was in Valencia, Spain on the day of the 2004 Madrid train bombings, and remember clearly the way that the whole city stood in silence as a united community that night. I'd never seen anything like it and it sent a powerful message to the government.

  70. Trump has the power and support to implement universal healthcare. If he does it the economy will boom, and he could be President for life. The corrupt health care would be broken and the freed money would fuel the economy. Unfortunately it looks like he has idiots and assholes for advisers.

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  71. @Jonathan Revusky
    Part II

    The issue here is why Trump was so lucky to kind of predict something happening?
     
    Well, I don't really believe in such "luck". It seems to me that this whole thing about Sweden was a talking point handed to him. In principle, he was only supposed to use the talking point AFTER the synthetic event occurred, but... you know, it was one of these glitches in the Matrix, I guess...

    Here is an interesting question though: Which is stranger?

    A. That Trump talks about something before it happens.
    B. That the commentariat finds nothing strange about A.

    Did the rioters oversleep on Friday or did not get paid in time?

     

    What rioters? Some cars were set on fire, IMHO probably NOT by Muslim immigrants. But regardless, as far as I can see, the storyline of "Muslims rioting" did not happen. There is no video of anybody rioting, as I pointed out in the last response.

    The most important issue is whether Trump has allies in the Deep State.
     
    I assume he does, that Trump more or less represents certain Deep State faction(s), though I don't really understand it too well.

    But, on this Rinkeby thing, my own feel for this is that somebody who is part of this whole Islamophobia Industry was able to hand Trump the talking point about shit happening in Sweden. BUT OBVIOUSLY... the shit in Sweden was supposed to PRECEDE him talking about the shit in Sweden. So there was surely a screw-up, no?

    But somehow nobody finds it odd that Trump was talking about something before it happened. And, you know, there are all these people who just insist that there is nothing strange about Jane Standley reporting the collapse of WTC7 before it happened. Wilful obtuseness can be a powerful weapon, I guess...

    “But somehow nobody finds it odd that Trump was talking about something before it happened.”

    Not really, see my comment #59 and Louise Mensch of News Corp. And Rachel Meadow probably will be next blaming Putin for the false flag in St. Petersburg And if she does, she might happen to be right, IMHO.

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    Well, when I said that nobody finds it odd that Trump was talking about something before it happened, I didn't mean you. I meant more the author of the piece above, Israel Shamir, but not just him.

    You specifically did say that it was quite strange. I have had some discussion in private email with some people about this and, among people I talk with, there is a general view that this is pretty weird...
  72. @utu
    Hey JR, you really sound like HIQI. And you did not read what I wrote. I really do not care whether it was Muslims or not. If if you had mile of footage you still could not prove this way or another who did it. How do you know that Blacks in Baltimore were not paid Haitians? I am sure you and your youtube yahoos could make such a point or that the riot in Ukraine was staged by Chinese? What do you want to prove? You get no clue what really is important in this game. Are you autistic or Asperger type who obsesses on one point and sometimes even can be brilliant in it but misses the whole picture? Everybody knows there are false flags and that there hoaxes but only idiots think they can prove them or disprove them using youtube information. And you are one of them, I am sorry to say it. Don't be such an idiot. The point is why the things are happening in terms of narrations? Whether they are true or not is secondary if you have no means of proving that they are true or not. Don't you see it? To what end the stories are constructed? Cui bono? What will be next? Who is fucking whom? Who will win?

    Well, I’m not sure what you think you we are in disagreement about. Somebody set fire to some cars in Rinkeby, Sweden. That seems certain. We do not know who did that, whether it was Muslims. I say that it was probably false flag in nature, where somebody else, not Muslim immigrants, set the cars on fire. But I am always saying that I don’t know for sure. The videos all show the burning cars, but there is no way to deduce from that who set the fires.

    However, the synthetic narrative is that this has something to do with Muslim immigration, so presumably we are supposed to think that Muslims set fire to the cars. But there does not seem to be proof of that — one way or the other.

    However, the point regarding the 3 videos is that in the first one, the one in Rinkeby, the streets are EMPTY. There is no riot going on. Do you look at that video and see a riot? The other two videos, in Kiev and Baltimore respectively, there is clearly something going on. They’re not showing us empty streets. There ARE rioters. I’m just saying compare some real riot footage with what they are presenting us for Rinkeby, Sweden, that’s all. I’m not getting into the question of paid agent provocateurs and the rest of it, which are things that we would have to get into if we were to really look at these other cases. But the only point I mean to make by showing these other cases, Kiev and Baltimore, is simply that in these cases there clearly IS a riot taking place, while in Rinkeby we are basically being shown empty streets. Okay, empty streets with a few burning cars, but again, there is no riot going on in any of the video footage that purports to show the riot. I think that is quite an interesting fact to consider.

    You really don’t see my point?

    Everybody knows there are false flags and that there hoaxes

    Well, not everybody… we both know it… other people know it. Some people may know it but pretend not to for whatever reasons…

    but only idiots think they can prove them or disprove them using youtube information.

    Utu, I think I’m being quite up front about the limits of what can be proven with such videos. It’s other people showing these videos and saying they prove whatever, and I’m saying that they do NOT prove what they purport to prove. You know, typically, they show you a few masked people doing something, or they show you some cars burning or something else and then they label the video as “Muslims rioting” somewhere and the most obvious thing to ask is, like, how do you know that the masked individuals are even Muslims? They’re masked! In Charlie Hebdo, you have some masked guys screaming “Allahu Akhbar, the prophet is avenged” or some corny shit like that and everybody is like: “Oh, yeah, Muslims…” Right. Only Muslims could say that line, right? (WRONG.) But again, wilful obtuseness seems to make the world go round…

    But anyway, I feel I am using youtube for something you can use it for. What I’m doing here is comparing what they are showing us for the alleged riots in Rinkeby with what riot footage looks like in a couple of other well known cases. I am certainly NOT claiming that you can know everything about these things from looking at videos on youtube.

    Whether they are true or not is secondary if you have no means of proving that they are true or not.

    I agree, but I tend to think that the only sane default assumption is that whatever they are telling us is not true.

    But anyway, to answer your question as best I can… the purpose of the various Islamophobic synthetic narratives is some sort of strategy of tension, to create a very exaggerated sense of insecurity that they will then exploit. But that’s only a very general answer, of course…

    To get back to the whole question of Trump talking about shit before it happened, well, as I said, that is bad coordination. The people who handed him that talking point, he obviously was supposed to use that after the synthetic event was executed. Surely we agree on that, no?

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    "The people who handed him that talking point, he obviously was supposed to use that after the synthetic event was executed. Surely we agree on that, no?"

    No, there is a possibility outlined by this dense Trumpoid character Alden here in one of his comments above. But he might be confabulating that he saw something somewhere on Friday or Saturday on the internet.
  73. @utu

    "But somehow nobody finds it odd that Trump was talking about something before it happened."
     
    Not really, see my comment #59 and Louise Mensch of News Corp. And Rachel Meadow probably will be next blaming Putin for the false flag in St. Petersburg And if she does, she might happen to be right, IMHO.

    Well, when I said that nobody finds it odd that Trump was talking about something before it happened, I didn’t mean you. I meant more the author of the piece above, Israel Shamir, but not just him.

    You specifically did say that it was quite strange. I have had some discussion in private email with some people about this and, among people I talk with, there is a general view that this is pretty weird…

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  74. How would I know why Wikepedia didn’t post video of what happened in Rinkby? And why in the world do you believe what is posted on Wikepedia? Even 6 graders are told Wikepedia is full of errors.

    Once again, Friday midnight US pacific time 9 AM Saturday Swedish time I read on a couple EUROPEAN sites that:

    1: At 6 PM Friday Swedish time Swedish police completed an investigation into drug dealing at the Rinkby subway stop by arresting the boss of the drug dealers.

    2: The police were attacked before they could leave with the arrestee.

    3. The attack on the police continued, more police arrived, more rioters arrived and the altercations went in all night and continued Saturday.

    Once more, moron, if I could read about the Friday night arrest and altercations so could anyone including Trump and his aides. Only the credulous and naive believe Wikepedia and the MSM.

    When you reply to someone’s post you really need to read the post and respond to the post, not just blather away about your original point.
    By the way, did you take middle school English?

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    Prove to me that you do not make all this up. If you saw it on internet on Fri/Sat there should be a trace. Show me.
  75. You must be either a mean drunk or a grouchy diabetic always looking for a fight with anyone within shouting distance.

    You really remind me of some stereotype of a nasty drunk who goes around starting fights and gets banned from every bar in town.
    What is the point of going on this site to attack every poster for no reason? I’ve tried to figure out what you are trying to say.
    All I can conclude is that you don’t believe there were any altercations, affrays, or riots in Sweden that weekend because Wikepedia didn’t any post any videos.

    There also seems to be a subtext in your incoherent rantings that the Muslim riots, car fires, sex assaults, altercations etc in Europe are staged incidents by actors.
    So why don’t you state your theory in the first sentence and go on to coherently develop your thesis?

    Surely you can find 5 th grade English composition and writing lessons on the Internet.

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    Did you catch the video of the Orlando nightclub shooting where three people carried a guy out of the club? He was writhing in pain right up until they got to the edge of the sidewalk and they set him down and he punched his china in the chest and they all yuk yukked for a bit. No kidding! it's a hoot!
    , @Truth

    There also seems to be a subtext in your incoherent rantings that the Muslim riots, car fires, sex assaults, altercations etc in Europe are staged incidents by actors.
     
    All the world's a stage,
    And all the men and women merely players;
    -William Shakespere

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBQSyxkNOf4

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1XM3eCxBOU
  76. @Kiza
    Because I regularly follow zerohedge.com, one of the notorious 200 websites, I was completely aware of all three instances, although Israel fills in a few additional pieces of info.

    So far Trump cannot show much of what he promised, but it is still way too early to make the call. Again, one cannot escape the comparison with Putin, who is also a very long term player, who does not get distracted by skirmishes and enemy pinpricks. It is only the long-term which truly matters, those following MSM can easily lose sight of this fact. I am not as optimistic about Trump as Mr Shamir, but then I have been wrong in the past and I wish to be wrong here as well.

    I can only think of the first meeting between Trump and Putin, what fireworks that is going to be. I still remember the fuss created when Gorbachev and Reagan met, or earlier when Nixon went to China. But nothing will compare with this one.

    Trump wants Putin’s support on North Korea. He will have to trade something.

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  77. @Alden
    How would I know why Wikepedia didn't post video of what happened in Rinkby? And why in the world do you believe what is posted on Wikepedia? Even 6 graders are told Wikepedia is full of errors.

    Once again, Friday midnight US pacific time 9 AM Saturday Swedish time I read on a couple EUROPEAN sites that:

    1: At 6 PM Friday Swedish time Swedish police completed an investigation into drug dealing at the Rinkby subway stop by arresting the boss of the drug dealers.

    2: The police were attacked before they could leave with the arrestee.

    3. The attack on the police continued, more police arrived, more rioters arrived and the altercations went in all night and continued Saturday.

    Once more, moron, if I could read about the Friday night arrest and altercations so could anyone including Trump and his aides. Only the credulous and naive believe Wikepedia and the MSM.

    When you reply to someone's post you really need to read the post and respond to the post, not just blather away about your original point.
    By the way, did you take middle school English?

    Prove to me that you do not make all this up. If you saw it on internet on Fri/Sat there should be a trace. Show me.

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  78. @Jonathan Revusky
    Well, I'm not sure what you think you we are in disagreement about. Somebody set fire to some cars in Rinkeby, Sweden. That seems certain. We do not know who did that, whether it was Muslims. I say that it was probably false flag in nature, where somebody else, not Muslim immigrants, set the cars on fire. But I am always saying that I don't know for sure. The videos all show the burning cars, but there is no way to deduce from that who set the fires.

    However, the synthetic narrative is that this has something to do with Muslim immigration, so presumably we are supposed to think that Muslims set fire to the cars. But there does not seem to be proof of that -- one way or the other.

    However, the point regarding the 3 videos is that in the first one, the one in Rinkeby, the streets are EMPTY. There is no riot going on. Do you look at that video and see a riot? The other two videos, in Kiev and Baltimore respectively, there is clearly something going on. They're not showing us empty streets. There ARE rioters. I'm just saying compare some real riot footage with what they are presenting us for Rinkeby, Sweden, that's all. I'm not getting into the question of paid agent provocateurs and the rest of it, which are things that we would have to get into if we were to really look at these other cases. But the only point I mean to make by showing these other cases, Kiev and Baltimore, is simply that in these cases there clearly IS a riot taking place, while in Rinkeby we are basically being shown empty streets. Okay, empty streets with a few burning cars, but again, there is no riot going on in any of the video footage that purports to show the riot. I think that is quite an interesting fact to consider.

    You really don't see my point?


    Everybody knows there are false flags and that there hoaxes
     
    Well, not everybody... we both know it... other people know it. Some people may know it but pretend not to for whatever reasons...

    but only idiots think they can prove them or disprove them using youtube information.
     
    Utu, I think I'm being quite up front about the limits of what can be proven with such videos. It's other people showing these videos and saying they prove whatever, and I'm saying that they do NOT prove what they purport to prove. You know, typically, they show you a few masked people doing something, or they show you some cars burning or something else and then they label the video as "Muslims rioting" somewhere and the most obvious thing to ask is, like, how do you know that the masked individuals are even Muslims? They're masked! In Charlie Hebdo, you have some masked guys screaming "Allahu Akhbar, the prophet is avenged" or some corny shit like that and everybody is like: "Oh, yeah, Muslims..." Right. Only Muslims could say that line, right? (WRONG.) But again, wilful obtuseness seems to make the world go round...

    But anyway, I feel I am using youtube for something you can use it for. What I'm doing here is comparing what they are showing us for the alleged riots in Rinkeby with what riot footage looks like in a couple of other well known cases. I am certainly NOT claiming that you can know everything about these things from looking at videos on youtube.


    Whether they are true or not is secondary if you have no means of proving that they are true or not.
     
    I agree, but I tend to think that the only sane default assumption is that whatever they are telling us is not true.

    But anyway, to answer your question as best I can... the purpose of the various Islamophobic synthetic narratives is some sort of strategy of tension, to create a very exaggerated sense of insecurity that they will then exploit. But that's only a very general answer, of course...

    To get back to the whole question of Trump talking about shit before it happened, well, as I said, that is bad coordination. The people who handed him that talking point, he obviously was supposed to use that after the synthetic event was executed. Surely we agree on that, no?

    “The people who handed him that talking point, he obviously was supposed to use that after the synthetic event was executed. Surely we agree on that, no?”

    No, there is a possibility outlined by this dense Trumpoid character Alden here in one of his comments above. But he might be confabulating that he saw something somewhere on Friday or Saturday on the internet.

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  79. @Jonathan Revusky

    and the riot in Sweden did not start until few days later?
     
    Yeah, that is one hell of a strange thing, eh? You asked me earlier what I am working on and one piece (though it's actually a sub-heading) is entitled "Donald Trump is a prophet and a man of God".

    It is somehow taken as normal that somebody talks about something BEFORE it happens. Maybe that started with Building 7, where the BBC reporter Jane Standley reported the building has collapsed before it happened. This is somehow the new normal.

    Here is another thing. Look for footage on youtube of Muslims rioting in Rinkeby, Sweden. A bunch of stuff comes up but none of it shows anything. It mostly shows empty streets and some cars burning, but it is not at all clear who set the cars on fire...

    Reminds me of an old joke about the mob. Two mobsters bump into one another at a restaurant and one says, “hey Jimmy, I’m so sorry to hear that your warehouse burned down”. Jimmy says, “sssshhhh! It’s tomorrow”.

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  80. @Wally
    So you support dictatorships, royalty, or what?

    'Bit by bit, Trump methodically undoing Obama policies'
    http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8247abe8493fae24405546e9a1aa/Article_2017-04-03-US--Trump-Undoing%20Obama/id-c4fa9fa659394514aa645a7cfd3c31ed

    I support a meritocracy, but almost anything is better than Democracy. This Democracy will not end well and something you don’t like will replace it. Your rosy future for Trump is not warranted.
    I voted for Trump because the choice was horrific.

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  81. How would I know why Wikepedia didn’t post video of what happened in Rinkby?

    You’re spinning the issue. First of all, it isn’t Wikipedia specifically. I mentioned youtube actually. But the point is not that there is no video. THe point is that the videos posted but it doesn’t show anybody rioting. They don’t show what they purport to show, i.e. a RIOT, i.e. RIOTERS.

    Of course, there is a very simple explanation for why the video does not show anybody rioting.

    Nobody was rioting.

    Once again, Friday midnight US pacific time 9 AM Saturday Swedish time I read on a couple EUROPEAN sites that:

    What sites? Provide link. You’re a liar. You’re just trying to spin things. It is well established that Trump talked about the events in Sweden BEFORE the events in Rinkeby were alleged to have even happened. Anybody can verify this in a few minutes. Trump tweeted on 19 February:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/833435244451753984

    That tweet is definitely AFTER having said something about an event in Sweden and definitely BEFORE the Rinkeby thing.

    Once more, moron,

    I’ve participated in these things enough to know how you guys operate. You start all the vile insults when you’re getting cornered in a debate — you know, up bullshit creek without a paddle.

    It is not a matter of any legitimate dispute that Trump’s remarks on Sweden PRECEDE what allegedly happened in Rinkeby.

    Oh, and by the way, are you finally going to learn how that place is spelled? You keep misspelling it different ways. Not that it matters that much.

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    This Alden thing is a liar! I am ignoring this trash from now on.

    The deepest circle in hell is not reserved for killers and murderers but for the liars and betrayers
  82. @Jonathan Revusky

    and the riot in Sweden did not start until few days later?
     
    Yeah, that is one hell of a strange thing, eh? You asked me earlier what I am working on and one piece (though it's actually a sub-heading) is entitled "Donald Trump is a prophet and a man of God".

    It is somehow taken as normal that somebody talks about something BEFORE it happens. Maybe that started with Building 7, where the BBC reporter Jane Standley reported the building has collapsed before it happened. This is somehow the new normal.

    Here is another thing. Look for footage on youtube of Muslims rioting in Rinkeby, Sweden. A bunch of stuff comes up but none of it shows anything. It mostly shows empty streets and some cars burning, but it is not at all clear who set the cars on fire...

    People believe the deep state is on some messianic mission but what it actually looks like is a coordinated attempt at maintaining dollar hegemony by disrupting near peers e.g. China and Russia. In parallel to this is an elite that has thrived with connections to those who spend the printed fiat, a co-habitation of the parasite on the host of sorts. There’s absolutely no way Trump could have beaten a system with trillions of dollars at stake – there is only one conclusion and it’s he’s part of it. Sure there could be factions, but those factions want control of the money not to project morals. Now if I was in CIA or NSA and could measure US population feelings in aggregate then I could see severe dissatisfaction. One solution is to fake a presidential drama, rife with psychological warfare – BLM and other racial tension stokers, agitprop (Alex Jones), propaganda, etc, that would also leave the foreign governments of China and Russia unable to predict future actions accurately. This drama directs sentiment at angles not affecting the overall status quo. Hence Trump would have inside knowledge of agitprop false flags like migrant attacks, shootings, etc, that would increase our trust in his leadership abilities. Maybe he is more
    Moral deep state figure not wanting to engage in useless wars, but I bet it’s just the deep state realizing the old method cannot work where blatant false flags beget naked military aggression. The strategy has rotated to population management and color revolutions, with financial warfare also being used where applicable.

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  83. @Alden
    You must be either a mean drunk or a grouchy diabetic always looking for a fight with anyone within shouting distance.

    You really remind me of some stereotype of a nasty drunk who goes around starting fights and gets banned from every bar in town.
    What is the point of going on this site to attack every poster for no reason? I've tried to figure out what you are trying to say.
    All I can conclude is that you don't believe there were any altercations, affrays, or riots in Sweden that weekend because Wikepedia didn't any post any videos.

    There also seems to be a subtext in your incoherent rantings that the Muslim riots, car fires, sex assaults, altercations etc in Europe are staged incidents by actors.
    So why don't you state your theory in the first sentence and go on to coherently develop your thesis?

    Surely you can find 5 th grade English composition and writing lessons on the Internet.

    Did you catch the video of the Orlando nightclub shooting where three people carried a guy out of the club? He was writhing in pain right up until they got to the edge of the sidewalk and they set him down and he punched his china in the chest and they all yuk yukked for a bit. No kidding! it’s a hoot!

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    A bit off topic don't you think? Just what does the Orlando club shooting have to do with the incidents, altercations, attacks and riots that are a constant in the muslim neighborhoods of Sweden.

    And what does that video of burning cars Jonathan Repulsive keeps posting prove? Nada, nothing.
  84. @utu
    Ok, NPR is very bad. But how do you explain what Trump said

    You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden.
     
    and the riot in Sweden did not start until few days later?

    So what Trump was actually talking about? Did some friendly to Trump faction in CIA organize the riot but was late few days? Or was it FSB that helped to jump off the riot? Or was it Israel Shamir (might be the same as FSB) who resides, I think, in Sweden who organized the riots? Why Trump was so lucky in this case?

    When Trump said “last night” he was referring to a television program on Sweden that he had seen the previous evening.

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    When Trump said “last night” he was referring to a television program on Sweden that he had seen the previous evening.
     
    Really? How do you know? What program did he see? On which channel?
  85. @Jonathan Revusky

    How would I know why Wikepedia didn’t post video of what happened in Rinkby?

     

    You're spinning the issue. First of all, it isn't Wikipedia specifically. I mentioned youtube actually. But the point is not that there is no video. THe point is that the videos posted but it doesn't show anybody rioting. They don't show what they purport to show, i.e. a RIOT, i.e. RIOTERS.

    Of course, there is a very simple explanation for why the video does not show anybody rioting.

    Nobody was rioting.

    Once again, Friday midnight US pacific time 9 AM Saturday Swedish time I read on a couple EUROPEAN sites that:
     

    What sites? Provide link. You're a liar. You're just trying to spin things. It is well established that Trump talked about the events in Sweden BEFORE the events in Rinkeby were alleged to have even happened. Anybody can verify this in a few minutes. Trump tweeted on 19 February:

    https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/833435244451753984

    That tweet is definitely AFTER having said something about an event in Sweden and definitely BEFORE the Rinkeby thing.

    Once more, moron,
     

    I've participated in these things enough to know how you guys operate. You start all the vile insults when you're getting cornered in a debate -- you know, up bullshit creek without a paddle.

    It is not a matter of any legitimate dispute that Trump's remarks on Sweden PRECEDE what allegedly happened in Rinkeby.

    Oh, and by the way, are you finally going to learn how that place is spelled? You keep misspelling it different ways. Not that it matters that much.

    This Alden thing is a liar! I am ignoring this trash from now on.

    The deepest circle in hell is not reserved for killers and murderers but for the liars and betrayers

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    Alden seems, in approach, very similar to the Wizard of Oz.

    We could maybe call him the Sorcerer's Apprentice.
    , @Alden
    How crazy you must be to start a fight over the fact that muslims rioted in Sweden for several days beginning Friday night. You sure take things personally. I wonder what your MMPI says. Paranoia and obsession for sure. Who knew someone could get so enraged about something that happened in Sweden. Or so enraged that some people do not depend on wikepedia for information.

    How many people have restraining orders out against you for your insane rages and attacks? Do you call the police if someone parks in front of your house? Do you order neighborhood kids to walk on the opposite side of the streets so as not to impinge on your territory? Do you come home drunk and beat your wife and throw furniture around?

    Bet you do.
  86. @phil
    When Trump said "last night" he was referring to a television program on Sweden that he had seen the previous evening.

    When Trump said “last night” he was referring to a television program on Sweden that he had seen the previous evening.

    Really? How do you know? What program did he see? On which channel?

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    Wow!!! Your posts seem to be nothing but an excuse to rant and rave and attack others. Well, at least you are sitting in front of a computer instead of killing people with road rage incidents. Hope I never run into you in a crowded intersection. Bet you make left turns against the red light at rush hour.
    , @Ron Unz


    When Trump said “last night” he was referring to a television program on Sweden that he had seen the previous evening.
     
    Really? How do you know? What program did he see? On which channel?
     
    Well, I just happened to glance at this comment-thread, but I'm a little surprised at so much back-and-forth theorizing over Trump's casual Tweet about Sweden.

    I think the story I read at the time (maybe in the NYT) seems very plausible...

    Supposedly, Trump was watching a FoxNews show which focused on all the alleged immigrant violence in Sweden. So being a fellow who gets lots of his info from FoxNews, the next day he casually Tweeted out something about all the trouble he'd heard about in Sweden "yesterday."

    The MSM blew it up into something gigantic, falsely claiming that Trump had alleged there had been a terrorist attack in Sweden the previous day, though he'd never actually said anything like that.

    Then, a couple of days later, there was some sort of small-scale immigrant riot in Sweden, which supposedly happens pretty frequently, and which nobody would have ever noticed except for the ongoing MSM storm about Trump's Tweet. From what Israel Shamir (who's live many years in Sweden) and other Swedes claim, there's lots of immigrant crime and violence in Sweden, which isn't too astonishing, since exactly the same thing happens in lots of other European countries, notably France.

    Personally, I think this is a much more plausible reconstruction of events than all those theories of a "riot hoax" or a CIA operation.
  87. @utu
    This Alden thing is a liar! I am ignoring this trash from now on.

    The deepest circle in hell is not reserved for killers and murderers but for the liars and betrayers

    Alden seems, in approach, very similar to the Wizard of Oz.

    We could maybe call him the Sorcerer’s Apprentice.

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    I think in both cases it is aggravated by the sluggish mind of old age.
  88. @Jonathan Revusky

    Obama this, Obama that...
     
    Hey, Wally. NEWS FLASH! OBAMA IS NO LONGER PRESIDENT!

    (Secondary news flash: Even when Obama was president, he was only the front man for the criminals really running the show. I mean to say, and don't take it as a really harsh reproach, but you're wasting your energy... this is all a distraction anyway...)

    (Secondary news flash: Even when Obama was president, he was only the front man for the criminals really running the show.

    Jou-gatti Maine.

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  89. @Sam J.
    I wonder if Trump has military deep State informers as opposed to CIA deep State? The military has been taking a beating. They're in wars all over that the Jews started by bombing the WTC on 9-11. Maybe they've had enough and are setting up the CIA deep State for the kill. The CIA has been fairly haphazard about their operations. Smuggling drugs, lots of kiddie abuse for blackmail and all of this stuff is fairly well documented.

    I wonder if the CIA and NSA are not covered up in Jews? Contrarily the DIA would not be, as Jews don't want to serve in the military. The CIA and NSA if full of Jews naturally only works for Jews as all Jewish institutions refuse to do anything useful unless it enriches Jews or adds to their power. Hence the stupidity of our intelligence operations viewed in light of US interest. Fine for Israelis though.

    So why not just come out with it? 9-11 via building #7 would simple to prove the whole thing was an inside job. Maybe they believe that it would be such a shock that it would destroy ALL faith in government and destroy support for the military and most importantly Empire level military spending.

    There’s a single line in the 1947 National Security Act that’s at the core of the evil that is the CIA: the Act lays out the data collection and analysis functions and then wrecks it with
    “And such other activities as the National Security Council may direct”

    All Donny Boy needs to do is have the NSC announce it directs no activities other than the data collection and analysis of foreign powers.

    Prosecutions should follow.

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  90. America today is in a similar state to the Wiemar Republic and Bolshevik controlled Russia. Jews control too much as a small cult like hateful minority group. It’s not Jewish self determination it’s Jewish supremacy. Our factories have been closed, we’re dying at an earlier age, usury is the big business, our culture is being destroyed and our country is being filled with very foreign immigrants that don’t respect us and our way of life. Many actually hate us and have no interest in assimilation. All this to serve the paranoid, selfish and delusional goals of the Jews! Many are real racists, just look at Israel which most of them, liberal of conservative support. Immigration here and in the EU but not even the Palestinians can return there.

    We took Jews in, helped them thrive and shared our land with them. But that’s not enough. It’s never enough because they want and need more. The “pound of flesh” as anti- Semitic Shakespeare said. They can never have enough power or money because money is power. Power to influence, power to bribe, power to corrupt.

    Christians as bad as they have been are generally very trusting people. We were fooled by duplicitous Jewish culture and in recent times by groups modeling on the Talmudic influenced morally lacking work of Saul Alinsky. He certainly was no Martin Luher King. (Oh yes, Martin Luther of old was anti- Semitic too.) Their constant false flags and playing the victim card are a quick example of this. Now even Amazon is banning books! That’s how censorship starts. Before I couldn’t mention Israel in polite conversation now more topics are off the table. This is toxic. And now all the other groups are using Jewish identity politics strategies to undermine true community diversity and whites of Christian origin.

    Jews have had it the best in present day USA than they ever had it on planet Earth period. All they know are materialism, power, and their own self belief of supremacy over all others. They have taken over our money, industry, politics, media, and culture. They are a negative force and never learned the lesson of not killing the golden goose. Throughout history their unbridled greed for money and power has always turned on them because it is not sustainable and they do not know when to quit. The occupied people figure it out and the pitchforks come out.

    Also look at the vilification of Putin and Russia. First Walls Street was angry because they couldn’t loot Russia after the fall of the USSR. Then Putin stopped the Israeli based attacks on Syria. Most Jewish led organizations marched in lockstep against Assad for human rights violations. The US and Israel have has far more human rights violations in the Middle East than Assad to the tune of trillions. But when Russia stepped in the was too much for Israel. Now that the proxy terrorist armies didn’t work Israel itself has been bombing Syria. However this has made Jewish controlled media dial up their attacks on Putin.

    As far as Trump goes there are way too many Jews close by in his administration. This challenges his positions greatly. As a group they are pro immigration as it serves them, pro speculation because that’s how they tend to earn a living and simply feel superior to and hate Gentiles even though we in fact created much of the modern world. It could only be this way as we have and have had the numbers. This is why they use deceit to trick and control us. The Holocaust is the secular cult like religion that has them working in lockstep against us on far too many issues that are existential to our survival.

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  91. @Jonathan Revusky

    and the riot in Sweden did not start until few days later?
     
    Yeah, that is one hell of a strange thing, eh? You asked me earlier what I am working on and one piece (though it's actually a sub-heading) is entitled "Donald Trump is a prophet and a man of God".

    It is somehow taken as normal that somebody talks about something BEFORE it happens. Maybe that started with Building 7, where the BBC reporter Jane Standley reported the building has collapsed before it happened. This is somehow the new normal.

    Here is another thing. Look for footage on youtube of Muslims rioting in Rinkeby, Sweden. A bunch of stuff comes up but none of it shows anything. It mostly shows empty streets and some cars burning, but it is not at all clear who set the cars on fire...

    Muslims are always on the verge of rioting in Rinkby and other muslim areas of Sweden. Every time a police, fire, ambulance or even a city bus appears the muslims start scuffles which become mini riots.

    They are building anew police station in Rinkby. It will be a fortress. Police officers have been informed they cannot use public transit to get to work in Rinkby or leave their fortress alone.

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    Muslims are always on the verge of rioting in Rinkby and other muslim areas of Sweden. Every time a police, fire, ambulance or even a city bus appears the muslims start scuffles which become mini riots.
     
    ~

    I don't believe any of this. What is your source for this?


    They are building anew police station in Rinkby. It will be a fortress. Police officers have been informed they cannot use public transit to get to work in Rinkby or leave their fortress alone.
     
    Nor do I believe this. You never provide any source for any of your "information". Is this just the day's talking points that you have been handed or something? Or do you just pull all this stuff out of your ass or what?
  92. @utu

    When Trump said “last night” he was referring to a television program on Sweden that he had seen the previous evening.
     
    Really? How do you know? What program did he see? On which channel?

    Wow!!! Your posts seem to be nothing but an excuse to rant and rave and attack others. Well, at least you are sitting in front of a computer instead of killing people with road rage incidents. Hope I never run into you in a crowded intersection. Bet you make left turns against the red light at rush hour.

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  93. @utu
    Ok, NPR is very bad. But how do you explain what Trump said

    You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden.
     
    and the riot in Sweden did not start until few days later?

    So what Trump was actually talking about? Did some friendly to Trump faction in CIA organize the riot but was late few days? Or was it FSB that helped to jump off the riot? Or was it Israel Shamir (might be the same as FSB) who resides, I think, in Sweden who organized the riots? Why Trump was so lucky in this case?

    I believe I’ve finally figured you out. You are an anti Trump Hildabeast voter. That’s why you attack Trump at every turn. Now you claim that the CIA has spies in Sweden disguised as bearded muslims who start riots so Trump can speak about them.

    Too much alcohol kills brain cells.

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  94. @utu
    This Alden thing is a liar! I am ignoring this trash from now on.

    The deepest circle in hell is not reserved for killers and murderers but for the liars and betrayers

    How crazy you must be to start a fight over the fact that muslims rioted in Sweden for several days beginning Friday night. You sure take things personally. I wonder what your MMPI says. Paranoia and obsession for sure. Who knew someone could get so enraged about something that happened in Sweden. Or so enraged that some people do not depend on wikepedia for information.

    How many people have restraining orders out against you for your insane rages and attacks? Do you call the police if someone parks in front of your house? Do you order neighborhood kids to walk on the opposite side of the streets so as not to impinge on your territory? Do you come home drunk and beat your wife and throw furniture around?

    Bet you do.

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    How crazy you must be to start a fight over the fact that muslims rioted in Sweden for several days beginning Friday night.
     
    Hey, shill scumbag, answer me this: How did they riot for "several days" and there is no video footage of it? Here is another one of these videos that purports to show the riots:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMaf_wsGC2Y

    Just three minutes but it starts off padded with scenes of Donald Trump and then what they show you is mostly just empty streets and then if it's not an empty street, it's just some people peacefully walking down the street. They have some sound of people shouting in the background that is supposed to be rioters, I suppose, but you never see anything. Where are the rioters? All of these videos are like this. Where in the video, at what point, is anybody rioting? Maybe it's there but I'm missing it, so tell me where to look.

    Oh, and for Utu, look, can't you see that all of this is just a big bluff? There is no video footage of any mob of Muslims rioting because it EVER HAPPENED. The video is patched together trying to bull their way through the fact that there is no riot footage.


    Paranoia and obsession for sure.... How many people have restraining orders out against you for your insane rages
     
    I think you slimeballs have a playbook in front of you and the playbook must say specifically that if people ask key questions like I'm asking, you just start hurling the insults. Your playbook probably even says what specific insults to use, like that the person is a drunk or insane or whatever.

    It's all a big bluff and your playbook say to start with these insults when your bluff is called. You guys are all working off a playbook, right?
  95. @utu
    Hey JR, you really sound like HIQI. And you did not read what I wrote. I really do not care whether it was Muslims or not. If if you had mile of footage you still could not prove this way or another who did it. How do you know that Blacks in Baltimore were not paid Haitians? I am sure you and your youtube yahoos could make such a point or that the riot in Ukraine was staged by Chinese? What do you want to prove? You get no clue what really is important in this game. Are you autistic or Asperger type who obsesses on one point and sometimes even can be brilliant in it but misses the whole picture? Everybody knows there are false flags and that there hoaxes but only idiots think they can prove them or disprove them using youtube information. And you are one of them, I am sorry to say it. Don't be such an idiot. The point is why the things are happening in terms of narrations? Whether they are true or not is secondary if you have no means of proving that they are true or not. Don't you see it? To what end the stories are constructed? Cui bono? What will be next? Who is fucking whom? Who will win?

    Its who is fu****g who, not whom. Whom is the object of a preposition, not the object of a sentence.

    You really should pick one topic and expand on it instead of spewing every conspiracy theory you found on the internet.

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    Its who is fu****g who, not whom. Whom is the object of a preposition, not the object of a sentence.
     
    That is completely wrong.

    "Who" is nominative case, and can only be used correctly as subject of sentence, or as predicate nominative.

    In all other cases, the oblique case of "who" is required, and that is "whom", both for object of preposition, and for object of sentence.

    Who is watching whom? Who is killing whom? Who is hosing whom?

    He was hosing whomever he could hose, because he felt entitled to hose whomsover he chose.

    Ask not into whom the hose plunges, nor where.
  96. @Jonathan Revusky
    Alden seems, in approach, very similar to the Wizard of Oz.

    We could maybe call him the Sorcerer's Apprentice.

    I think in both cases it is aggravated by the sluggish mind of old age.

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  97. @utu

    When Trump said “last night” he was referring to a television program on Sweden that he had seen the previous evening.
     
    Really? How do you know? What program did he see? On which channel?

    When Trump said “last night” he was referring to a television program on Sweden that he had seen the previous evening.

    Really? How do you know? What program did he see? On which channel?

    Well, I just happened to glance at this comment-thread, but I’m a little surprised at so much back-and-forth theorizing over Trump’s casual Tweet about Sweden.

    I think the story I read at the time (maybe in the NYT) seems very plausible…

    Supposedly, Trump was watching a FoxNews show which focused on all the alleged immigrant violence in Sweden. So being a fellow who gets lots of his info from FoxNews, the next day he casually Tweeted out something about all the trouble he’d heard about in Sweden “yesterday.”

    The MSM blew it up into something gigantic, falsely claiming that Trump had alleged there had been a terrorist attack in Sweden the previous day, though he’d never actually said anything like that.

    Then, a couple of days later, there was some sort of small-scale immigrant riot in Sweden, which supposedly happens pretty frequently, and which nobody would have ever noticed except for the ongoing MSM storm about Trump’s Tweet. From what Israel Shamir (who’s live many years in Sweden) and other Swedes claim, there’s lots of immigrant crime and violence in Sweden, which isn’t too astonishing, since exactly the same thing happens in lots of other European countries, notably France.

    Personally, I think this is a much more plausible reconstruction of events than all those theories of a “riot hoax” or a CIA operation.

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    Trump’s casual Tweet about Sweden.
     
    Ron, with all due respect, you're getting the basic facts and timeline somewhat wrong. What happened was that Trump was in Melbourne, Florida on 18 February and gave a speech in which he specifically said that some incident had occurred the previous night in Sweden. It did not seem to be a general (basically false) statement about Sweden being a crime-ridden place.

    http://www.vox.com/2017/2/18/14659952/trump-transcript-rally-melbourne-florida

    This was the evening of the 18th, Trump saying "you look at what happened last night in Sweden" and since nothing of note had occurred the previous night in Sweden, there was quite a buzz. Various political figures in Sweden got wind of this and started ridiculing Trump.

    The tweet the next day from Trump was this:

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/833435244451753984

    Trump tweeted that his remarks in the speech the previous night regarding something having happened the night before (17 February) in Sweden were a reference to general problems in Sweden that somehow he knew about from watching hat super-reliable information source FOX News.

    THEN, we have the alleged riots in Rinkeby, Sweden which occur on 20 February 2017. So all the alt-right echosphere starts screaming that "Trump was right".

    Now, my main contribution to the discussion has been to point out that if you get on youtube and look for video footage of these riots in Sweden, you can't find anything real. I mean, no rioting. I wrote a comment #60 here: http://www.unz.com/ishamir/eerie-prescience-of-donald-trump/#comment-1823154

    In that comment, I link 3 videos and invite people to compare them. The first is, I think, the first video that comes up on youtube if you type in the search string "Rinkeby riots 2017 footage" or something like that. Others show up but they are quite similar insofar as they don't show any actual rioting! Most of these videos are just empty streets with burning cars, or just some people standing around or walking down the street peaceably. I then linked two other videos that show up when you look for video footage of a couple of other well known incidents.


    Then, a couple of days later, there was some sort of small-scale immigrant riot in Sweden, which supposedly happens pretty frequently,
     
    You say it "supposedly" happens pretty frequently. Are you sure that's true? How frequently? Frequently enough that Trump can say on 18 February that something just happened in Sweden and then something does happen (except that it looks like a hoax) on 20 February? That doesn't give you pause???

    Regardless, I cannot prove to myself that any riot occurred in Rinkeby, Sweden on the date in question. We have all these right-wing types putting up videos on youtube that purport to show riots except that you look at the videos and there is no riot!


    Personally, I think this is a much more plausible reconstruction of events than all those theories of a “riot hoax” or a CIA operation.
     
    Well, Ron, I am confused. You wrote a whole series of articles labeled "American Pravda". Very fine body of work really. I mean that sincerely. But it's as if there is an underlying lesson there that you yourself have not fully learnt!

    You seem to think that if the MSM (as well as much of the alternative media) is saying there were riots in Rinkeby, Sweden, then it must have happened and it does not occur to you to doubt it. So, correct me if I am wrong, but you did not do what I did. I actually looked for video footage of people rioting in Rinkeby, Sweden. "Wow, Dude! What a novel concept!"

    If you really do stop believing in what I called in my last article "The cult of the New York Times", then you do NOT believe that something definitely happened because it's in the Times. So, I took the staggeringly novel approach of trying to prove to myself that this had happened.

    And the result is that I cannot find any rioting footage from Rinkeby, Sweden. This allegedly happened about 6 weeks ago in a very advanced county where everybody has a video camera in his pocket, yet there is no video footage of any rioters, of anybody rioting. The video footage that you find is typically padded with a bunch of non-sequitir sort of stuff, but you keep waiting for some "money shot", so to speak, of a mob of rioters actually engaging in what you could call rioting, and there's nothing there!

    So, the Rinkeby riots that occurred (allegedly) a couple of days after Trump's Florida speech and one day after his "casual tweet" seem to be a hoax. (I myself said nothing about them being a "CIA hoax" BTW, just a hoax...)

    There is a proximity of time-line here, Trump saying on 18 February that "something happened in Sweden last night" and then tweeting to clarify on 19 February and then riots (that really do seem to be a disinfo psy-op hoax) occuring on 20 February!

    I see a problem with all this, which means I am a conspiracy theorist, I guess. That's not a secret hardly. LOL. Now, you see no problem with this because, I guess you are a coincidence theorist. Now, I would say this on an impersonal plane, because it's not about you versus me, it's really not. I would present the following question:

    If a conspiracy theorist and a coincidence theorist disagree about a key event, and, without knowing much details about it, you had to bet money on which one of the two was right (or closer to being right) who would you put your money on?

    Well, it's a nuanced issue, because the conspiracy theorist is usually right to doubt the official story, but his theory may also be wrong, assuming he presents one beyond just saying that the official narrative is wrong.

    BUT... My sense of things is that the coincidence theorist is pretty much always wrong.

    Sherlock Holmes and Detective Colombo are not coincidence theorists, for example. Well, okay, they're fictitious individuals, so never mind, but anyway....

    , @utu
    This is the timeline

    Friday Feb 17: FOX airs this 6min long segment on Trump and on Sweden "What the US could learn from Sweden's refugee crisis"
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/5327830979001/?#sp=show-clips

    Saturday Feb 18: In Florida Trump says: "You look at what’s happening in Germany, you look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this?”

    Here is a clip of his speech: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/world/europe/last-night-in-sweden-trumps-remark-baffles-a-nation.html?_r=0

    Sunday Feb 19: Trump twits: "My statement as to what's happening in Sweden was in reference to a story that was broadcast on FoxNews concerning immigrants & Sweden."

    Monday Feb 20: Riot breaks out in Rinkeby
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Rinkeby_riots

    How to translate "what’s happening last night in Sweden" from Trumpeese? He misspoke? Who writes his utterances for the teleprompter? What was in his mind when he spoke it?
  98. @Alden
    How crazy you must be to start a fight over the fact that muslims rioted in Sweden for several days beginning Friday night. You sure take things personally. I wonder what your MMPI says. Paranoia and obsession for sure. Who knew someone could get so enraged about something that happened in Sweden. Or so enraged that some people do not depend on wikepedia for information.

    How many people have restraining orders out against you for your insane rages and attacks? Do you call the police if someone parks in front of your house? Do you order neighborhood kids to walk on the opposite side of the streets so as not to impinge on your territory? Do you come home drunk and beat your wife and throw furniture around?

    Bet you do.

    How crazy you must be to start a fight over the fact that muslims rioted in Sweden for several days beginning Friday night.

    Hey, shill scumbag, answer me this: How did they riot for “several days” and there is no video footage of it? Here is another one of these videos that purports to show the riots:

    Just three minutes but it starts off padded with scenes of Donald Trump and then what they show you is mostly just empty streets and then if it’s not an empty street, it’s just some people peacefully walking down the street. They have some sound of people shouting in the background that is supposed to be rioters, I suppose, but you never see anything. Where are the rioters? All of these videos are like this. Where in the video, at what point, is anybody rioting? Maybe it’s there but I’m missing it, so tell me where to look.

    Oh, and for Utu, look, can’t you see that all of this is just a big bluff? There is no video footage of any mob of Muslims rioting because it EVER HAPPENED. The video is patched together trying to bull their way through the fact that there is no riot footage.

    Paranoia and obsession for sure…. How many people have restraining orders out against you for your insane rages

    I think you slimeballs have a playbook in front of you and the playbook must say specifically that if people ask key questions like I’m asking, you just start hurling the insults. Your playbook probably even says what specific insults to use, like that the person is a drunk or insane or whatever.

    It’s all a big bluff and your playbook say to start with these insults when your bluff is called. You guys are all working off a playbook, right?

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    This website needs a better quality of commenters. Slimeball, F**k and insane hysteria because not everyone believes that the evil CIA is behind everything that happens in the world even a drug arrest at a subway stop in a Swedish suburb.
  99. @NoseytheDuke
    Did you catch the video of the Orlando nightclub shooting where three people carried a guy out of the club? He was writhing in pain right up until they got to the edge of the sidewalk and they set him down and he punched his china in the chest and they all yuk yukked for a bit. No kidding! it's a hoot!

    A bit off topic don’t you think? Just what does the Orlando club shooting have to do with the incidents, altercations, attacks and riots that are a constant in the muslim neighborhoods of Sweden.

    And what does that video of burning cars Jonathan Repulsive keeps posting prove? Nada, nothing.

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    I'm sorry that you missed my point. My fault, I should have explained it more fully, especially for you. The point is that not only are there false flags, the twin towers for instance, but there are also hoax false flags where an act of violence is staged then promoted by the media as terror and as being real.

    Given that incidents such as described are happening, it is prudent to view all events as false until proven otherwise, not the other way around. Can you follow that?
  100. @Jonathan Revusky

    How crazy you must be to start a fight over the fact that muslims rioted in Sweden for several days beginning Friday night.
     
    Hey, shill scumbag, answer me this: How did they riot for "several days" and there is no video footage of it? Here is another one of these videos that purports to show the riots:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMaf_wsGC2Y

    Just three minutes but it starts off padded with scenes of Donald Trump and then what they show you is mostly just empty streets and then if it's not an empty street, it's just some people peacefully walking down the street. They have some sound of people shouting in the background that is supposed to be rioters, I suppose, but you never see anything. Where are the rioters? All of these videos are like this. Where in the video, at what point, is anybody rioting? Maybe it's there but I'm missing it, so tell me where to look.

    Oh, and for Utu, look, can't you see that all of this is just a big bluff? There is no video footage of any mob of Muslims rioting because it EVER HAPPENED. The video is patched together trying to bull their way through the fact that there is no riot footage.


    Paranoia and obsession for sure.... How many people have restraining orders out against you for your insane rages
     
    I think you slimeballs have a playbook in front of you and the playbook must say specifically that if people ask key questions like I'm asking, you just start hurling the insults. Your playbook probably even says what specific insults to use, like that the person is a drunk or insane or whatever.

    It's all a big bluff and your playbook say to start with these insults when your bluff is called. You guys are all working off a playbook, right?

    This website needs a better quality of commenters. Slimeball, F**k and insane hysteria because not everyone believes that the evil CIA is behind everything that happens in the world even a drug arrest at a subway stop in a Swedish suburb.

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  101. @Ron Unz


    When Trump said “last night” he was referring to a television program on Sweden that he had seen the previous evening.
     
    Really? How do you know? What program did he see? On which channel?
     
    Well, I just happened to glance at this comment-thread, but I'm a little surprised at so much back-and-forth theorizing over Trump's casual Tweet about Sweden.

    I think the story I read at the time (maybe in the NYT) seems very plausible...

    Supposedly, Trump was watching a FoxNews show which focused on all the alleged immigrant violence in Sweden. So being a fellow who gets lots of his info from FoxNews, the next day he casually Tweeted out something about all the trouble he'd heard about in Sweden "yesterday."

    The MSM blew it up into something gigantic, falsely claiming that Trump had alleged there had been a terrorist attack in Sweden the previous day, though he'd never actually said anything like that.

    Then, a couple of days later, there was some sort of small-scale immigrant riot in Sweden, which supposedly happens pretty frequently, and which nobody would have ever noticed except for the ongoing MSM storm about Trump's Tweet. From what Israel Shamir (who's live many years in Sweden) and other Swedes claim, there's lots of immigrant crime and violence in Sweden, which isn't too astonishing, since exactly the same thing happens in lots of other European countries, notably France.

    Personally, I think this is a much more plausible reconstruction of events than all those theories of a "riot hoax" or a CIA operation.

    Trump’s casual Tweet about Sweden.

    Ron, with all due respect, you’re getting the basic facts and timeline somewhat wrong. What happened was that Trump was in Melbourne, Florida on 18 February and gave a speech in which he specifically said that some incident had occurred the previous night in Sweden. It did not seem to be a general (basically false) statement about Sweden being a crime-ridden place.

    http://www.vox.com/2017/2/18/14659952/trump-transcript-rally-melbourne-florida

    This was the evening of the 18th, Trump saying “you look at what happened last night in Sweden” and since nothing of note had occurred the previous night in Sweden, there was quite a buzz. Various political figures in Sweden got wind of this and started ridiculing Trump.

    The tweet the next day from Trump was this:

    Trump tweeted that his remarks in the speech the previous night regarding something having happened the night before (17 February) in Sweden were a reference to general problems in Sweden that somehow he knew about from watching hat super-reliable information source FOX News.

    THEN, we have the alleged riots in Rinkeby, Sweden which occur on 20 February 2017. So all the alt-right echosphere starts screaming that “Trump was right”.

    Now, my main contribution to the discussion has been to point out that if you get on youtube and look for video footage of these riots in Sweden, you can’t find anything real. I mean, no rioting. I wrote a comment #60 here: http://www.unz.com/ishamir/eerie-prescience-of-donald-trump/#comment-1823154

    In that comment, I link 3 videos and invite people to compare them. The first is, I think, the first video that comes up on youtube if you type in the search string “Rinkeby riots 2017 footage” or something like that. Others show up but they are quite similar insofar as they don’t show any actual rioting! Most of these videos are just empty streets with burning cars, or just some people standing around or walking down the street peaceably. I then linked two other videos that show up when you look for video footage of a couple of other well known incidents.

    Then, a couple of days later, there was some sort of small-scale immigrant riot in Sweden, which supposedly happens pretty frequently,

    You say it “supposedly” happens pretty frequently. Are you sure that’s true? How frequently? Frequently enough that Trump can say on 18 February that something just happened in Sweden and then something does happen (except that it looks like a hoax) on 20 February? That doesn’t give you pause???

    Regardless, I cannot prove to myself that any riot occurred in Rinkeby, Sweden on the date in question. We have all these right-wing types putting up videos on youtube that purport to show riots except that you look at the videos and there is no riot!

    Personally, I think this is a much more plausible reconstruction of events than all those theories of a “riot hoax” or a CIA operation.

    Well, Ron, I am confused. You wrote a whole series of articles labeled “American Pravda”. Very fine body of work really. I mean that sincerely. But it’s as if there is an underlying lesson there that you yourself have not fully learnt!

    You seem to think that if the MSM (as well as much of the alternative media) is saying there were riots in Rinkeby, Sweden, then it must have happened and it does not occur to you to doubt it. So, correct me if I am wrong, but you did not do what I did. I actually looked for video footage of people rioting in Rinkeby, Sweden. “Wow, Dude! What a novel concept!

    If you really do stop believing in what I called in my last article “The cult of the New York Times”, then you do NOT believe that something definitely happened because it’s in the Times. So, I took the staggeringly novel approach of trying to prove to myself that this had happened.

    And the result is that I cannot find any rioting footage from Rinkeby, Sweden. This allegedly happened about 6 weeks ago in a very advanced county where everybody has a video camera in his pocket, yet there is no video footage of any rioters, of anybody rioting. The video footage that you find is typically padded with a bunch of non-sequitir sort of stuff, but you keep waiting for some “money shot”, so to speak, of a mob of rioters actually engaging in what you could call rioting, and there’s nothing there!

    So, the Rinkeby riots that occurred (allegedly) a couple of days after Trump’s Florida speech and one day after his “casual tweet” seem to be a hoax. (I myself said nothing about them being a “CIA hoax” BTW, just a hoax…)

    There is a proximity of time-line here, Trump saying on 18 February that “something happened in Sweden last night” and then tweeting to clarify on 19 February and then riots (that really do seem to be a disinfo psy-op hoax) occuring on 20 February!

    I see a problem with all this, which means I am a conspiracy theorist, I guess. That’s not a secret hardly. LOL. Now, you see no problem with this because, I guess you are a coincidence theorist. Now, I would say this on an impersonal plane, because it’s not about you versus me, it’s really not. I would present the following question:

    If a conspiracy theorist and a coincidence theorist disagree about a key event, and, without knowing much details about it, you had to bet money on which one of the two was right (or closer to being right) who would you put your money on?

    Well, it’s a nuanced issue, because the conspiracy theorist is usually right to doubt the official story, but his theory may also be wrong, assuming he presents one beyond just saying that the official narrative is wrong.

    BUT… My sense of things is that the coincidence theorist is pretty much always wrong.

    Sherlock Holmes and Detective Colombo are not coincidence theorists, for example. Well, okay, they’re fictitious individuals, so never mind, but anyway….

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  102. @Kiza
    Because I regularly follow zerohedge.com, one of the notorious 200 websites, I was completely aware of all three instances, although Israel fills in a few additional pieces of info.

    So far Trump cannot show much of what he promised, but it is still way too early to make the call. Again, one cannot escape the comparison with Putin, who is also a very long term player, who does not get distracted by skirmishes and enemy pinpricks. It is only the long-term which truly matters, those following MSM can easily lose sight of this fact. I am not as optimistic about Trump as Mr Shamir, but then I have been wrong in the past and I wish to be wrong here as well.

    I can only think of the first meeting between Trump and Putin, what fireworks that is going to be. I still remember the fuss created when Gorbachev and Reagan met, or earlier when Nixon went to China. But nothing will compare with this one.

    So far Trump cannot show much of what he promised

    What do you expect? He hasn’t even been in office 3 months.

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  103. @Alden
    Muslims are always on the verge of rioting in Rinkby and other muslim areas of Sweden. Every time a police, fire, ambulance or even a city bus appears the muslims start scuffles which become mini riots.

    They are building anew police station in Rinkby. It will be a fortress. Police officers have been informed they cannot use public transit to get to work in Rinkby or leave their fortress alone.

    Muslims are always on the verge of rioting in Rinkby and other muslim areas of Sweden. Every time a police, fire, ambulance or even a city bus appears the muslims start scuffles which become mini riots.

    ~

    I don’t believe any of this. What is your source for this?

    They are building anew police station in Rinkby. It will be a fortress. Police officers have been informed they cannot use public transit to get to work in Rinkby or leave their fortress alone.

    Nor do I believe this. You never provide any source for any of your “information”. Is this just the day’s talking points that you have been handed or something? Or do you just pull all this stuff out of your ass or what?

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  104. @Sherman
    Hey Genius

    "Every chance those Jews get they stop Trump from improving America".

    I'd say the Jews are preventing Trump from bringing your job back home from overseas.

    However, I think you're too stupid to have ever had a job in the first place.

    Peace

    Sherm

    P.S. "You'l" s/b "you'll".

    I’ve been reading your comments for some time now and it’s YOU who is clearly the dumb one.

    Just stop digging, already. We’re onto your game. It’s ovah.

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  105. @Alden
    A bit off topic don't you think? Just what does the Orlando club shooting have to do with the incidents, altercations, attacks and riots that are a constant in the muslim neighborhoods of Sweden.

    And what does that video of burning cars Jonathan Repulsive keeps posting prove? Nada, nothing.

    I’m sorry that you missed my point. My fault, I should have explained it more fully, especially for you. The point is that not only are there false flags, the twin towers for instance, but there are also hoax false flags where an act of violence is staged then promoted by the media as terror and as being real.

    Given that incidents such as described are happening, it is prudent to view all events as false until proven otherwise, not the other way around. Can you follow that?

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  106. @Alden
    Its who is fu****g who, not whom. Whom is the object of a preposition, not the object of a sentence.

    You really should pick one topic and expand on it instead of spewing every conspiracy theory you found on the internet.

    Its who is fu****g who, not whom. Whom is the object of a preposition, not the object of a sentence.

    That is completely wrong.

    “Who” is nominative case, and can only be used correctly as subject of sentence, or as predicate nominative.

    In all other cases, the oblique case of “who” is required, and that is “whom”, both for object of preposition, and for object of sentence.

    Who is watching whom? Who is killing whom? Who is hosing whom?

    He was hosing whomever he could hose, because he felt entitled to hose whomsover he chose.

    Ask not into whom the hose plunges, nor where.

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    The correct spelling is whomsoever.

    Meanwhile, here we go again: Nightly news & NY Times saying Syrian gas attack being blamed on Assad by Trump.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/world/middleeast/syria-gas-attack.html?_r=0
    , @Alden
    Repeat repeat whom is the object of a preposition but never the object if sentence.
    You all need to get a life.

    It's who is f*****g who, not whom
    , @Liza
    Good reply, Sparkon. But I would make one tiny change to your comment. You said, "... both for object of preposition, and for object of sentence."

    "Object of sentence", while I know what you mean, is a bit unclear. It would be easier to say, "both for object of preposition, and for object of a verb." However, this is just my opinion.

    I love grammar! I love the English language, even though it's not my mother tongue. It is the best language in the world.
  107. However, as time goes, we learn that Trump knows things other people do not know or do not dare to say.

    This. There’s prescient, and then there’s forthright. It’s easy to mistake the latter for the former, when everyone else find so much to be “inconceivable!”

    Kiza, no business is long-term, if real estate ain’t. Roy Lofquist said it better than I would have.

    Ok, NPR is very bad. But how do you explain what Trump said

    You look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this? Sweden.

    and the riot in Sweden did not start until few days later?

    We’re still talking about Trump, right? There are a lot of invalid criticisms of the man, but that he isn’t the clearest communicator isn’t one of them. I mean, just look at the sentence, for God’s sake; if you want a conspiracy theory, it’s gonna have to involve a time travel paradox.

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  108. Christians as bad as they have been

    Compared to whom?

    (That sound you hear is your bullshit being flushed)

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  109. @Ron Unz


    When Trump said “last night” he was referring to a television program on Sweden that he had seen the previous evening.
     
    Really? How do you know? What program did he see? On which channel?
     
    Well, I just happened to glance at this comment-thread, but I'm a little surprised at so much back-and-forth theorizing over Trump's casual Tweet about Sweden.

    I think the story I read at the time (maybe in the NYT) seems very plausible...

    Supposedly, Trump was watching a FoxNews show which focused on all the alleged immigrant violence in Sweden. So being a fellow who gets lots of his info from FoxNews, the next day he casually Tweeted out something about all the trouble he'd heard about in Sweden "yesterday."

    The MSM blew it up into something gigantic, falsely claiming that Trump had alleged there had been a terrorist attack in Sweden the previous day, though he'd never actually said anything like that.

    Then, a couple of days later, there was some sort of small-scale immigrant riot in Sweden, which supposedly happens pretty frequently, and which nobody would have ever noticed except for the ongoing MSM storm about Trump's Tweet. From what Israel Shamir (who's live many years in Sweden) and other Swedes claim, there's lots of immigrant crime and violence in Sweden, which isn't too astonishing, since exactly the same thing happens in lots of other European countries, notably France.

    Personally, I think this is a much more plausible reconstruction of events than all those theories of a "riot hoax" or a CIA operation.

    This is the timeline

    Friday Feb 17: FOX airs this 6min long segment on Trump and on Sweden “What the US could learn from Sweden’s refugee crisis”

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/5327830979001/?#sp=show-clips

    Saturday Feb 18: In Florida Trump says: “You look at what’s happening in Germany, you look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this?”

    Here is a clip of his speech: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/world/europe/last-night-in-sweden-trumps-remark-baffles-a-nation.html?_r=0

    Sunday Feb 19: Trump twits: “My statement as to what’s happening in Sweden was in reference to a story that was broadcast on FoxNews concerning immigrants & Sweden.”

    Monday Feb 20: Riot breaks out in Rinkeby

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Rinkeby_riots

    How to translate “what’s happening last night in Sweden” from Trumpeese? He misspoke? Who writes his utterances for the teleprompter? What was in his mind when he spoke it?

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  110. @Sparkon

    Its who is fu****g who, not whom. Whom is the object of a preposition, not the object of a sentence.
     
    That is completely wrong.

    "Who" is nominative case, and can only be used correctly as subject of sentence, or as predicate nominative.

    In all other cases, the oblique case of "who" is required, and that is "whom", both for object of preposition, and for object of sentence.

    Who is watching whom? Who is killing whom? Who is hosing whom?

    He was hosing whomever he could hose, because he felt entitled to hose whomsover he chose.

    Ask not into whom the hose plunges, nor where.

    The correct spelling is whomsoever.

    Meanwhile, here we go again: Nightly news & NY Times saying Syrian gas attack being blamed on Assad by Trump.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/world/middleeast/syria-gas-attack.html?_r=0

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  111. @Sparkon

    Its who is fu****g who, not whom. Whom is the object of a preposition, not the object of a sentence.
     
    That is completely wrong.

    "Who" is nominative case, and can only be used correctly as subject of sentence, or as predicate nominative.

    In all other cases, the oblique case of "who" is required, and that is "whom", both for object of preposition, and for object of sentence.

    Who is watching whom? Who is killing whom? Who is hosing whom?

    He was hosing whomever he could hose, because he felt entitled to hose whomsover he chose.

    Ask not into whom the hose plunges, nor where.

    Repeat repeat whom is the object of a preposition but never the object if sentence.
    You all need to get a life.

    It’s who is f*****g who, not whom

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    Repeat repeat whom is the object of a preposition but never the object if sentence.
    You all need to get a life.
     
    You can repeat your mistake indefinitely, but it's still completely wrong:.

    Whom should be used to refer to the object of a verb or preposition.
     
    https://www.grammarly.com/blog/who-vs-whom-its-not-as-complicated-as-you-might-think/

    In the sentence Who is hosing whom? "Who" is the subject of the sentence, and "whom" is its direct object.


    You can find the direct object by finding the verb and asking what? (or whom?).
     
    http://www.grammar-monster.com/glossary/direct_object.htm

    During my grad school days, I took Writer's Workshop, wherein I tutored students who were failing Bonehead English. Most of my students passed, and I got an "A" in the class, but I did have a couple knuckleheads.

    , @Anon
    You are utterly wrong!

    "Therefore, send not to know
    For whom the bell tolls,
    It tolls for thee."

    Simple rule for you to remember: whenever in doubt whether 'whom' applies: insert 'him' or 'her' instead of 'he' or 'she' and observe if it makes for a grammatical sentence.

    For example: who did this and for whom?

    Answer: Alden did it for her/him. Or : Alden did it for she/he

    Which one sounds correct? One needn't know the exact rules of grammar to answer it. Any native English speaker will know it.
  112. So you and the rest of the lunatics don’t believe there are riots unless you are in the middle of them.

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  113. @utu
    JR, you often over do your point. Something happened there. Somebody set several cars on fire. Not a big deal. Pretty common occurrence in France.

    Almost 1,000 cars torched around France on New Year's Eve but government insists it 'went particularly well'
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/02/almost-1000-cars-torched-around-france-new-years-eve-government/
     
    Who did it is another issue. The issue here is why Trump was so lucky to kind of predict something happening? What Trump actually meant when he spoke about something happening in Sweden on Friday while the riot did not start until Monday evening the following week? Does it mean that Trump has allies in the Deep State who can make events happen on the ground for him? Why then what he spoke was not synchronize with the events? Did the rioters oversleep on Friday or did not get paid in time?

    The most important issue is whether Trump has allies in the Deep State. By knowing this we can judge whether he will have a chance to overcome the opposition. The fact that FBI arrested the Black guy in Missouri who was doing hoax calls to Jewish centers and more importantly that they managed to expose much bigger false flag anti-semitic operation run from Israel suggests that he or his allies begin to have some control over the narrative This is all about the narrative so far and not who did what because nothing so far is really happening. The anti-semitic false flag was just about the narrative.

    This is all about the narrative so far and not who did what because nothing so far is really happening.

    This is the money shot.
    We are at the point where we can reasonably assume that any popular narrative has but a tenuous connection to the truth. Having arrived at this God-forsaken spot, what do we see?

    The sponsors, creators and disseminators of popular narratives don’t care a whit for the truth, or even the plausibility of the narrative they’re propagating. They care only about its efficacy, and nothing besides.
    What has recently become plain is that, within the Western sphere, there are competing narratives, and by extension competing groups of sponsors etc operating at many levels.

    As the “Rioting Muslims” meme seems to be of interest here, let’s start with that. We have the “multicultural” meme wherein the West is to welcome all and sundry, of any background, from anywhere, for humanitarian/economic/demographic reasons. “Multiculturalism” was established decades ago and has become ingrained. However, it recently went ballistic when literally millions of dubious provenance showed up on Europe’s shores and were sold to the European public as “destitute and desperate refugees”.
    Well, one look at them and they are, in the main, clearly not refugees at all. Their iPhones and Adidas belied the narrative. Who propagated that meme? Where did it come from? Why, and to what end? The name Couderhove-Kalergi has been bandied about, but that an otherwise unremarkable man gets a hare-brained scheme in his head and spends his life pursuing it is no explanation of how and why multiculturalism apparently got itself adopted by policy-makers across the Western world.
    At any rate, my working hypothesis is that recent developments created a backlash from some other faction of the deep state who saw that things were approaching a point of no return. Faced with the challenge of stopping it, they had to come up with a scheme that would not only work, but would work quickly. What better way than leveraging the public’s vague disquiet would have to get emotionally charged to the point where political elites would have to pay attention.
    “Rioting/terrorizing Muslims” is what they came up with, and set their faux terrorists and rioters to the job of getting the public to dust off their pitchforks and put a stop to it. This group, admittedly, doesn’t seem very professional, or at least not so deep that they can create suitable physical counterparts to the narratival side, and so look patently fake to anyone looking. Be that as it may, one can hope they’re successful.

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    At any rate, my working hypothesis is that recent developments created a backlash from some other faction of the deep state who saw that things were approaching a point of no return. Faced with the challenge of stopping it, they had to come up with a scheme that would not only work, but would work quickly. What better way than leveraging the public’s vague disquiet would have to get emotionally charged to the point where political elites would have to pay attention.
     
    Can we prove it? No. Can we hope for it? Yes.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    We are at the point where we can reasonably assume that any popular narrative has but a tenuous connection to the truth.
     
    Yeah, amen to that.

    Well, one look at them and they are, in the main, clearly not refugees at all.
     
    Hmm, I can't say I agree with you there. The dictionary definition of "refugee", the first one that comes up on a google search, is: "a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster"

    The definition doesn't say the person is necessarily destitute. There were German Jews who fled in the 1930's who were not poor at all, but still met that dictionary definition of refugee. Or earlier, White Russian émigrés. Of course, none of those people had iPhones because they didn't exist then, but similar level people now all have smartphones -- like people who would have been middle class in Syria or any other Arab country certainly. That said, it would be noteworthy if many of them have the latest high-end iPhone model, but my guess is that they are mostly cheap Chinese phones, some of which are designed to resemble Apple (and other high-end brands) pretty well. These low-end Android phones have a street price well under $100 so I don't read much into this.

    Well, all that could still be a quibble. I agree that there seems to be a cloud regarding who some of these people really are. Certainly some or many people could just be economic migrants from wherever who are passing themselves off as refugees.

    But regardless, we could agree to disagree on how many of these people are genuine refugees (I honestly am unsure about it) but all these synthetic narratives that they're putting out about mass rapes and so forth look to be fabricated. I can't find any video footage and it's precisely because these low-end phones, that all have perfectly usable video cameras in them, are so ubiquitous, that makes me think these things really must be hoaxes. How can several hundred (!) German girls get sexually assaulted in Cologne railway station on 31/12/2015 and for there to be absolutely no video footage?

    It's mind-boggling, isn't it? But this basic question I ask should be such a basic question, no? Now, it is an accepted fact seemingly that there were riots in Rinkeby, Sweden on 20 February of this year and again, there is no video footage. And the thing is that there are people who are considered quite respectable commentators, on this very site for example, who just repeat these things, and nobody, except for me it seems, goes to youtube and tries to find any video footage! The MSM says this happened, so it happened!

    Tell me. Am I some sort of genius or just the proverbial one-eyed man in the land of the blind?


    (snip) What better way than leveraging the public’s vague disquiet would have to get emotionally charged to the point where political elites would have to pay attention.
     
    Hmm, well, the problem with what you are saying is that the synthetic narrative being promulgated is not a general anti-immigration narrative. It is almost entirely this borderline demented Islamophobic narrative. And really, a lot of it is this really vile, racist stuff that any decent person would not want to associate himself with -- even if one is sympathetic to the general anti-immigration arguments. You see what I mean, surely...

    Or I mean to say, being opposed to further third world immigration into Western countries is a completely rational position, of course. BUT it doesn't have much, if anything to do with Islam. I mean, yes, you're opposed to Muslim immigration, but you don't want Hindus coming in, or Buddhists or Sikhs, or any of it. And you don't want the Mexicans and other Latinos who are all Christians. If you don't want immigration, you don't want immigration. What does Islam have to do with it really?

    Yet you look at the discourse of these people and it's not anti-immigration in a general, rationally argued sense, it's this frothing at the mouth anti-Muslim bigotry. For one thing, that is the biggest glaring clue as to who is behind this. All this Islamophobia stuff is basically a neocon/Zionist project.

    But what you have is a situation where, instead of some more reasonable mentally hygienic discussion of the pros and cons of further immigration, you have all this completely deranged ranting about Islam, which is, as far as I can see, completely divorced from any objective reality. And all that ranting gets bolstered by all these synthetic events, most of which did not even happen anyway and, to the extent that they happened, were staged by the Intelligence agencies.


    Be that as it may, one can hope they’re successful.
     
    Hmm... successful at what? I infer that you mean, at stemming the flood of immigration. Well, I don't really share your view that the people behind these things are trying to stem immigration. What they're doing is they're leveraging this general anti-immigration sentiment that exists and tying it all in with this Islamophobic narrative.

    The purpose of the Islamophobic narrative is something entirely different. For one thing, I get the feeling that they want to create an exaggerated sense of insecurity to usher in more of a Police State. And also, they are bolstering the synthetic narratives they use as a pretext for their military adventures, which are largely in Muslim lands. I mean, obviously, it's easier to slaughter Muslims if you've established well in the public mind that these people are all savages who rape our women in the train station and whatnot. Of course, even if Muslims were raping German girls in the train station, it would be completely different people from the ones being bombed in the Middle East, but... you know... never mind... in the public mind, it all just gets conflated.

    Most people are barely even paying attention anyway...
  114. @Alden
    You must be either a mean drunk or a grouchy diabetic always looking for a fight with anyone within shouting distance.

    You really remind me of some stereotype of a nasty drunk who goes around starting fights and gets banned from every bar in town.
    What is the point of going on this site to attack every poster for no reason? I've tried to figure out what you are trying to say.
    All I can conclude is that you don't believe there were any altercations, affrays, or riots in Sweden that weekend because Wikepedia didn't any post any videos.

    There also seems to be a subtext in your incoherent rantings that the Muslim riots, car fires, sex assaults, altercations etc in Europe are staged incidents by actors.
    So why don't you state your theory in the first sentence and go on to coherently develop your thesis?

    Surely you can find 5 th grade English composition and writing lessons on the Internet.

    There also seems to be a subtext in your incoherent rantings that the Muslim riots, car fires, sex assaults, altercations etc in Europe are staged incidents by actors.

    All the world’s a stage,
    And all the men and women merely players;
    -William Shakespere

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  115. @Erebus

    This is all about the narrative so far and not who did what because nothing so far is really happening.
     
    This is the money shot.
    We are at the point where we can reasonably assume that any popular narrative has but a tenuous connection to the truth. Having arrived at this God-forsaken spot, what do we see?

    The sponsors, creators and disseminators of popular narratives don't care a whit for the truth, or even the plausibility of the narrative they're propagating. They care only about its efficacy, and nothing besides.
    What has recently become plain is that, within the Western sphere, there are competing narratives, and by extension competing groups of sponsors etc operating at many levels.

    As the "Rioting Muslims" meme seems to be of interest here, let's start with that. We have the "multicultural" meme wherein the West is to welcome all and sundry, of any background, from anywhere, for humanitarian/economic/demographic reasons. "Multiculturalism" was established decades ago and has become ingrained. However, it recently went ballistic when literally millions of dubious provenance showed up on Europe's shores and were sold to the European public as "destitute and desperate refugees".
    Well, one look at them and they are, in the main, clearly not refugees at all. Their iPhones and Adidas belied the narrative. Who propagated that meme? Where did it come from? Why, and to what end? The name Couderhove-Kalergi has been bandied about, but that an otherwise unremarkable man gets a hare-brained scheme in his head and spends his life pursuing it is no explanation of how and why multiculturalism apparently got itself adopted by policy-makers across the Western world.
    At any rate, my working hypothesis is that recent developments created a backlash from some other faction of the deep state who saw that things were approaching a point of no return. Faced with the challenge of stopping it, they had to come up with a scheme that would not only work, but would work quickly. What better way than leveraging the public's vague disquiet would have to get emotionally charged to the point where political elites would have to pay attention.
    "Rioting/terrorizing Muslims" is what they came up with, and set their faux terrorists and rioters to the job of getting the public to dust off their pitchforks and put a stop to it. This group, admittedly, doesn't seem very professional, or at least not so deep that they can create suitable physical counterparts to the narratival side, and so look patently fake to anyone looking. Be that as it may, one can hope they're successful.

    At any rate, my working hypothesis is that recent developments created a backlash from some other faction of the deep state who saw that things were approaching a point of no return. Faced with the challenge of stopping it, they had to come up with a scheme that would not only work, but would work quickly. What better way than leveraging the public’s vague disquiet would have to get emotionally charged to the point where political elites would have to pay attention.

    Can we prove it? No. Can we hope for it? Yes.

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  116. @Alden
    Repeat repeat whom is the object of a preposition but never the object if sentence.
    You all need to get a life.

    It's who is f*****g who, not whom

    Repeat repeat whom is the object of a preposition but never the object if sentence.
    You all need to get a life.

    You can repeat your mistake indefinitely, but it’s still completely wrong:.

    Whom should be used to refer to the object of a verb or preposition.

    https://www.grammarly.com/blog/who-vs-whom-its-not-as-complicated-as-you-might-think/

    In the sentence Who is hosing whom? “Who” is the subject of the sentence, and “whom” is its direct object.

    You can find the direct object by finding the verb and asking what? (or whom?).

    http://www.grammar-monster.com/glossary/direct_object.htm

    During my grad school days, I took Writer’s Workshop, wherein I tutored students who were failing Bonehead English. Most of my students passed, and I got an “A” in the class, but I did have a couple knuckleheads.

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    Your interlocutor is a retired cop. Do not assume that he ever used or even heard a correct sentence with the pronoun "whom". I suspect that he might have known of "whom" as the dative case but he seem stop be unfamiliar of its usage as the objective case.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    In the sentence Who is hosing whom? “Who” is the subject of the sentence, and “whom” is its direct object.
     
    Uh, can't you guys see that he is just trolling you with his pretending not to know about who/whom? Surely that's a put-on and the point is just to create a distraction and get people to respond and reduce the signal/noise ratio.

    Besides, this is the 21st century. Nobody really cares about this "whom" BS anyway. It's just some linguistic artifact that maybe does serve to give pedantic English teachers employment.
  117. @Sparkon

    Repeat repeat whom is the object of a preposition but never the object if sentence.
    You all need to get a life.
     
    You can repeat your mistake indefinitely, but it's still completely wrong:.

    Whom should be used to refer to the object of a verb or preposition.
     
    https://www.grammarly.com/blog/who-vs-whom-its-not-as-complicated-as-you-might-think/

    In the sentence Who is hosing whom? "Who" is the subject of the sentence, and "whom" is its direct object.


    You can find the direct object by finding the verb and asking what? (or whom?).
     
    http://www.grammar-monster.com/glossary/direct_object.htm

    During my grad school days, I took Writer's Workshop, wherein I tutored students who were failing Bonehead English. Most of my students passed, and I got an "A" in the class, but I did have a couple knuckleheads.

    Your interlocutor is a retired cop. Do not assume that he ever used or even heard a correct sentence with the pronoun “whom”. I suspect that he might have known of “whom” as the dative case but he seem stop be unfamiliar of its usage as the objective case.

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    Your interlocutor is a retired cop.
     
    Really? From whence is this information?

    I suppose he says so. I consider it more likely that he is a pimply-faced kid sitting in an office cubicle in Tel Aviv.
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    @Alden
    Repeat repeat whom is the object of a preposition but never the object if sentence.
    You all need to get a life.

    It's who is f*****g who, not whom

    You are utterly wrong!

    “Therefore, send not to know
    For whom the bell tolls,
    It tolls for thee.”

    Simple rule for you to remember: whenever in doubt whether ‘whom’ applies: insert ‘him’ or ‘her‘ instead of ‘he‘ or ‘she‘ and observe if it makes for a grammatical sentence.

    For example: who did this and for whom?

    Answer: Alden did it for her/him. Or : Alden did it for she/he

    Which one sounds correct? One needn’t know the exact rules of grammar to answer it. Any native English speaker will know it.

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  119. @Sparkon

    Repeat repeat whom is the object of a preposition but never the object if sentence.
    You all need to get a life.
     
    You can repeat your mistake indefinitely, but it's still completely wrong:.

    Whom should be used to refer to the object of a verb or preposition.
     
    https://www.grammarly.com/blog/who-vs-whom-its-not-as-complicated-as-you-might-think/

    In the sentence Who is hosing whom? "Who" is the subject of the sentence, and "whom" is its direct object.


    You can find the direct object by finding the verb and asking what? (or whom?).
     
    http://www.grammar-monster.com/glossary/direct_object.htm

    During my grad school days, I took Writer's Workshop, wherein I tutored students who were failing Bonehead English. Most of my students passed, and I got an "A" in the class, but I did have a couple knuckleheads.

    In the sentence Who is hosing whom? “Who” is the subject of the sentence, and “whom” is its direct object.

    Uh, can’t you guys see that he is just trolling you with his pretending not to know about who/whom? Surely that’s a put-on and the point is just to create a distraction and get people to respond and reduce the signal/noise ratio.

    Besides, this is the 21st century. Nobody really cares about this “whom” BS anyway. It’s just some linguistic artifact that maybe does serve to give pedantic English teachers employment.

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    Syria gas attack

    Hoax or real? - I think it's real.
    False flag? - Yes.

    Why Russian RT, Sputnik and the rest of Russia's propaganda machine are so timid? They are just no match for the anglo-zio propaganda machine. Why don't they call it a false flag and instead come up with a way too cumbersome scenario?

    Russian propaganda machine is inept and indolent. They should hire some Jews and Brits to show them how to make the news up. You need chutzpah for it and lack of scruples so Jews are just ideal for the kind of stuff.

    For example they did not get any mileage from Seth Rich murder. They should have been talking about it (truth or not, insinuation, innuendos whatever flies) for months about. But no, so they are always on the defensive. People in the end hate losers.
    , @Sparkon

    Nobody really cares about this “whom” BS anyway.
     
    No, the comments here correcting the bad grammar should make it clear that some of us do indeed care about what you call BS. Your criticism should be directed at Alden, who insisted on pressing the point, after being shown he was wrong.

    21st Century or not, trolling grammatical airheads notwithstanding, what's right is right.

    As Aldous Huxley put it:

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored
     
    Take it or leave it.
  120. @utu
    Your interlocutor is a retired cop. Do not assume that he ever used or even heard a correct sentence with the pronoun "whom". I suspect that he might have known of "whom" as the dative case but he seem stop be unfamiliar of its usage as the objective case.

    Your interlocutor is a retired cop.

    Really? From whence is this information?

    I suppose he says so. I consider it more likely that he is a pimply-faced kid sitting in an office cubicle in Tel Aviv.

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  121. @Jonathan Revusky

    In the sentence Who is hosing whom? “Who” is the subject of the sentence, and “whom” is its direct object.
     
    Uh, can't you guys see that he is just trolling you with his pretending not to know about who/whom? Surely that's a put-on and the point is just to create a distraction and get people to respond and reduce the signal/noise ratio.

    Besides, this is the 21st century. Nobody really cares about this "whom" BS anyway. It's just some linguistic artifact that maybe does serve to give pedantic English teachers employment.

    Syria gas attack

    Hoax or real? – I think it’s real.
    False flag? – Yes.

    Why Russian RT, Sputnik and the rest of Russia’s propaganda machine are so timid? They are just no match for the anglo-zio propaganda machine. Why don’t they call it a false flag and instead come up with a way too cumbersome scenario?

    Russian propaganda machine is inept and indolent. They should hire some Jews and Brits to show them how to make the news up. You need chutzpah for it and lack of scruples so Jews are just ideal for the kind of stuff.

    For example they did not get any mileage from Seth Rich murder. They should have been talking about it (truth or not, insinuation, innuendos whatever flies) for months about. But no, so they are always on the defensive. People in the end hate losers.

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  122. @Erebus

    This is all about the narrative so far and not who did what because nothing so far is really happening.
     
    This is the money shot.
    We are at the point where we can reasonably assume that any popular narrative has but a tenuous connection to the truth. Having arrived at this God-forsaken spot, what do we see?

    The sponsors, creators and disseminators of popular narratives don't care a whit for the truth, or even the plausibility of the narrative they're propagating. They care only about its efficacy, and nothing besides.
    What has recently become plain is that, within the Western sphere, there are competing narratives, and by extension competing groups of sponsors etc operating at many levels.

    As the "Rioting Muslims" meme seems to be of interest here, let's start with that. We have the "multicultural" meme wherein the West is to welcome all and sundry, of any background, from anywhere, for humanitarian/economic/demographic reasons. "Multiculturalism" was established decades ago and has become ingrained. However, it recently went ballistic when literally millions of dubious provenance showed up on Europe's shores and were sold to the European public as "destitute and desperate refugees".
    Well, one look at them and they are, in the main, clearly not refugees at all. Their iPhones and Adidas belied the narrative. Who propagated that meme? Where did it come from? Why, and to what end? The name Couderhove-Kalergi has been bandied about, but that an otherwise unremarkable man gets a hare-brained scheme in his head and spends his life pursuing it is no explanation of how and why multiculturalism apparently got itself adopted by policy-makers across the Western world.
    At any rate, my working hypothesis is that recent developments created a backlash from some other faction of the deep state who saw that things were approaching a point of no return. Faced with the challenge of stopping it, they had to come up with a scheme that would not only work, but would work quickly. What better way than leveraging the public's vague disquiet would have to get emotionally charged to the point where political elites would have to pay attention.
    "Rioting/terrorizing Muslims" is what they came up with, and set their faux terrorists and rioters to the job of getting the public to dust off their pitchforks and put a stop to it. This group, admittedly, doesn't seem very professional, or at least not so deep that they can create suitable physical counterparts to the narratival side, and so look patently fake to anyone looking. Be that as it may, one can hope they're successful.

    We are at the point where we can reasonably assume that any popular narrative has but a tenuous connection to the truth.

    Yeah, amen to that.

    Well, one look at them and they are, in the main, clearly not refugees at all.

    Hmm, I can’t say I agree with you there. The dictionary definition of “refugee”, the first one that comes up on a google search, is: “a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster”

    The definition doesn’t say the person is necessarily destitute. There were German Jews who fled in the 1930′s who were not poor at all, but still met that dictionary definition of refugee. Or earlier, White Russian émigrés. Of course, none of those people had iPhones because they didn’t exist then, but similar level people now all have smartphones — like people who would have been middle class in Syria or any other Arab country certainly. That said, it would be noteworthy if many of them have the latest high-end iPhone model, but my guess is that they are mostly cheap Chinese phones, some of which are designed to resemble Apple (and other high-end brands) pretty well. These low-end Android phones have a street price well under $100 so I don’t read much into this.

    Well, all that could still be a quibble. I agree that there seems to be a cloud regarding who some of these people really are. Certainly some or many people could just be economic migrants from wherever who are passing themselves off as refugees.

    But regardless, we could agree to disagree on how many of these people are genuine refugees (I honestly am unsure about it) but all these synthetic narratives that they’re putting out about mass rapes and so forth look to be fabricated. I can’t find any video footage and it’s precisely because these low-end phones, that all have perfectly usable video cameras in them, are so ubiquitous, that makes me think these things really must be hoaxes. How can several hundred (!) German girls get sexually assaulted in Cologne railway station on 31/12/2015 and for there to be absolutely no video footage?

    It’s mind-boggling, isn’t it? But this basic question I ask should be such a basic question, no? Now, it is an accepted fact seemingly that there were riots in Rinkeby, Sweden on 20 February of this year and again, there is no video footage. And the thing is that there are people who are considered quite respectable commentators, on this very site for example, who just repeat these things, and nobody, except for me it seems, goes to youtube and tries to find any video footage! The MSM says this happened, so it happened!

    Tell me. Am I some sort of genius or just the proverbial one-eyed man in the land of the blind?

    (snip) What better way than leveraging the public’s vague disquiet would have to get emotionally charged to the point where political elites would have to pay attention.

    Hmm, well, the problem with what you are saying is that the synthetic narrative being promulgated is not a general anti-immigration narrative. It is almost entirely this borderline demented Islamophobic narrative. And really, a lot of it is this really vile, racist stuff that any decent person would not want to associate himself with — even if one is sympathetic to the general anti-immigration arguments. You see what I mean, surely…

    Or I mean to say, being opposed to further third world immigration into Western countries is a completely rational position, of course. BUT it doesn’t have much, if anything to do with Islam. I mean, yes, you’re opposed to Muslim immigration, but you don’t want Hindus coming in, or Buddhists or Sikhs, or any of it. And you don’t want the Mexicans and other Latinos who are all Christians. If you don’t want immigration, you don’t want immigration. What does Islam have to do with it really?

    Yet you look at the discourse of these people and it’s not anti-immigration in a general, rationally argued sense, it’s this frothing at the mouth anti-Muslim bigotry. For one thing, that is the biggest glaring clue as to who is behind this. All this Islamophobia stuff is basically a neocon/Zionist project.

    But what you have is a situation where, instead of some more reasonable mentally hygienic discussion of the pros and cons of further immigration, you have all this completely deranged ranting about Islam, which is, as far as I can see, completely divorced from any objective reality. And all that ranting gets bolstered by all these synthetic events, most of which did not even happen anyway and, to the extent that they happened, were staged by the Intelligence agencies.

    Be that as it may, one can hope they’re successful.

    Hmm… successful at what? I infer that you mean, at stemming the flood of immigration. Well, I don’t really share your view that the people behind these things are trying to stem immigration. What they’re doing is they’re leveraging this general anti-immigration sentiment that exists and tying it all in with this Islamophobic narrative.

    The purpose of the Islamophobic narrative is something entirely different. For one thing, I get the feeling that they want to create an exaggerated sense of insecurity to usher in more of a Police State. And also, they are bolstering the synthetic narratives they use as a pretext for their military adventures, which are largely in Muslim lands. I mean, obviously, it’s easier to slaughter Muslims if you’ve established well in the public mind that these people are all savages who rape our women in the train station and whatnot. Of course, even if Muslims were raping German girls in the train station, it would be completely different people from the ones being bombed in the Middle East, but… you know… never mind… in the public mind, it all just gets conflated.

    Most people are barely even paying attention anyway…

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    Revusky, I read your piece here and I do not feel comfortable with your spiel which does not change. We have been through it already several weeks/months ago. You agree that the purpose is to instigate Islamophobia but you do not follow up on this. Is it because this would lead you to asking the question about Jewish, Zionist and Israel role in all of this. Yes, in ALL OF THIS from the day minus one. Like from 1948 and earlier? For some reason you always shy away from J-topics. Why don't you accept that the refugee stream peaking in 2015 (1-2 months after Trumps announcing he would run and build the wall and before Putin went to Syria and after Orban stared building the fence) was instigated and engineered for various political reasons. Instead you fall back on the rigorous definition of refugees and hide behind it. Suddenly the blood hound sniffing conspiracy everywhere in you goes to sleep? You are very keen to look at fake pictures and staged events but when it comes to muslim refugees you are somehow not very curious. Strange! For example, what about the pict of the little boy on the beach in Greece? Did they position him to maximize the most photogenic aspect of him? How the marching column son refugees were organized and supplied when they were walking through Balkans? How the UN funding for refugees camps in Turkey was reduced? Why the refugee marching column had particular demographic profile (80% young males)? Who printed maps and addresses in Germany? Who paid the smugglers across the sea from Turkey to Greek islands? And why do you think Merkel (and Austria) suddenly decided to open their border? What was the alternative? Were they afraid of bad image or there was something worse?

    Flooding Europe with refugees is a win win strategy. If you manage to ramp up islamophobia you will get New (nationalist) Right parties in Europe that are totally pro Zionist (unlike the old Nationalist Right). If you do not manage to ramp up islamophobia you follow the road towards the multiculti paradise outlined by Barbara Spectre and her ilk.

  123. @Jonathan Revusky

    In the sentence Who is hosing whom? “Who” is the subject of the sentence, and “whom” is its direct object.
     
    Uh, can't you guys see that he is just trolling you with his pretending not to know about who/whom? Surely that's a put-on and the point is just to create a distraction and get people to respond and reduce the signal/noise ratio.

    Besides, this is the 21st century. Nobody really cares about this "whom" BS anyway. It's just some linguistic artifact that maybe does serve to give pedantic English teachers employment.

    Nobody really cares about this “whom” BS anyway.

    No, the comments here correcting the bad grammar should make it clear that some of us do indeed care about what you call BS. Your criticism should be directed at Alden, who insisted on pressing the point, after being shown he was wrong.

    21st Century or not, trolling grammatical airheads notwithstanding, what’s right is right.

    As Aldous Huxley put it:

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored

    Take it or leave it.

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    No, the comments here correcting the bad grammar should make it clear that some of us do indeed care about what you call BS.
     
    Okay, fine. But that's not the point. My comment has basically nothing to do with the usage of who/whom. It has to do with one's strategy/tactics for dealing with trolls.

    Suppose the guy said insistently that the capital of England was Manchester. Are you going to start getting all incensed and insist that, no, it's London? By reacting that way, you're doing what the troll wants you to do.

    21st Century or not, trolling grammatical airheads notwithstanding, what’s right is right.
     
    Precisely. And it is not right to allow yourself to get trolled, i.e. to get into some reactive stance to somebody saying something outrageous to just create a distraction.


    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored
     
    Well, precisely. That's why there is no need to reply to that kind of trolling.
  124. @Jonathan Revusky

    We are at the point where we can reasonably assume that any popular narrative has but a tenuous connection to the truth.
     
    Yeah, amen to that.

    Well, one look at them and they are, in the main, clearly not refugees at all.
     
    Hmm, I can't say I agree with you there. The dictionary definition of "refugee", the first one that comes up on a google search, is: "a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster"

    The definition doesn't say the person is necessarily destitute. There were German Jews who fled in the 1930's who were not poor at all, but still met that dictionary definition of refugee. Or earlier, White Russian émigrés. Of course, none of those people had iPhones because they didn't exist then, but similar level people now all have smartphones -- like people who would have been middle class in Syria or any other Arab country certainly. That said, it would be noteworthy if many of them have the latest high-end iPhone model, but my guess is that they are mostly cheap Chinese phones, some of which are designed to resemble Apple (and other high-end brands) pretty well. These low-end Android phones have a street price well under $100 so I don't read much into this.

    Well, all that could still be a quibble. I agree that there seems to be a cloud regarding who some of these people really are. Certainly some or many people could just be economic migrants from wherever who are passing themselves off as refugees.

    But regardless, we could agree to disagree on how many of these people are genuine refugees (I honestly am unsure about it) but all these synthetic narratives that they're putting out about mass rapes and so forth look to be fabricated. I can't find any video footage and it's precisely because these low-end phones, that all have perfectly usable video cameras in them, are so ubiquitous, that makes me think these things really must be hoaxes. How can several hundred (!) German girls get sexually assaulted in Cologne railway station on 31/12/2015 and for there to be absolutely no video footage?

    It's mind-boggling, isn't it? But this basic question I ask should be such a basic question, no? Now, it is an accepted fact seemingly that there were riots in Rinkeby, Sweden on 20 February of this year and again, there is no video footage. And the thing is that there are people who are considered quite respectable commentators, on this very site for example, who just repeat these things, and nobody, except for me it seems, goes to youtube and tries to find any video footage! The MSM says this happened, so it happened!

    Tell me. Am I some sort of genius or just the proverbial one-eyed man in the land of the blind?


    (snip) What better way than leveraging the public’s vague disquiet would have to get emotionally charged to the point where political elites would have to pay attention.
     
    Hmm, well, the problem with what you are saying is that the synthetic narrative being promulgated is not a general anti-immigration narrative. It is almost entirely this borderline demented Islamophobic narrative. And really, a lot of it is this really vile, racist stuff that any decent person would not want to associate himself with -- even if one is sympathetic to the general anti-immigration arguments. You see what I mean, surely...

    Or I mean to say, being opposed to further third world immigration into Western countries is a completely rational position, of course. BUT it doesn't have much, if anything to do with Islam. I mean, yes, you're opposed to Muslim immigration, but you don't want Hindus coming in, or Buddhists or Sikhs, or any of it. And you don't want the Mexicans and other Latinos who are all Christians. If you don't want immigration, you don't want immigration. What does Islam have to do with it really?

    Yet you look at the discourse of these people and it's not anti-immigration in a general, rationally argued sense, it's this frothing at the mouth anti-Muslim bigotry. For one thing, that is the biggest glaring clue as to who is behind this. All this Islamophobia stuff is basically a neocon/Zionist project.

    But what you have is a situation where, instead of some more reasonable mentally hygienic discussion of the pros and cons of further immigration, you have all this completely deranged ranting about Islam, which is, as far as I can see, completely divorced from any objective reality. And all that ranting gets bolstered by all these synthetic events, most of which did not even happen anyway and, to the extent that they happened, were staged by the Intelligence agencies.


    Be that as it may, one can hope they’re successful.
     
    Hmm... successful at what? I infer that you mean, at stemming the flood of immigration. Well, I don't really share your view that the people behind these things are trying to stem immigration. What they're doing is they're leveraging this general anti-immigration sentiment that exists and tying it all in with this Islamophobic narrative.

    The purpose of the Islamophobic narrative is something entirely different. For one thing, I get the feeling that they want to create an exaggerated sense of insecurity to usher in more of a Police State. And also, they are bolstering the synthetic narratives they use as a pretext for their military adventures, which are largely in Muslim lands. I mean, obviously, it's easier to slaughter Muslims if you've established well in the public mind that these people are all savages who rape our women in the train station and whatnot. Of course, even if Muslims were raping German girls in the train station, it would be completely different people from the ones being bombed in the Middle East, but... you know... never mind... in the public mind, it all just gets conflated.

    Most people are barely even paying attention anyway...

    Revusky, I read your piece here and I do not feel comfortable with your spiel which does not change. We have been through it already several weeks/months ago. You agree that the purpose is to instigate Islamophobia but you do not follow up on this. Is it because this would lead you to asking the question about Jewish, Zionist and Israel role in all of this. Yes, in ALL OF THIS from the day minus one. Like from 1948 and earlier? For some reason you always shy away from J-topics. Why don’t you accept that the refugee stream peaking in 2015 (1-2 months after Trumps announcing he would run and build the wall and before Putin went to Syria and after Orban stared building the fence) was instigated and engineered for various political reasons. Instead you fall back on the rigorous definition of refugees and hide behind it. Suddenly the blood hound sniffing conspiracy everywhere in you goes to sleep? You are very keen to look at fake pictures and staged events but when it comes to muslim refugees you are somehow not very curious. Strange! For example, what about the pict of the little boy on the beach in Greece? Did they position him to maximize the most photogenic aspect of him? How the marching column son refugees were organized and supplied when they were walking through Balkans? How the UN funding for refugees camps in Turkey was reduced? Why the refugee marching column had particular demographic profile (80% young males)? Who printed maps and addresses in Germany? Who paid the smugglers across the sea from Turkey to Greek islands? And why do you think Merkel (and Austria) suddenly decided to open their border? What was the alternative? Were they afraid of bad image or there was something worse?

    Flooding Europe with refugees is a win win strategy. If you manage to ramp up islamophobia you will get New (nationalist) Right parties in Europe that are totally pro Zionist (unlike the old Nationalist Right). If you do not manage to ramp up islamophobia you follow the road towards the multiculti paradise outlined by Barbara Spectre and her ilk.

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    Is it because this would lead you to asking the question about Jewish, Zionist and Israel role in all of this.
     
    I don't think so. In fact, not only do I ask the question, I answer it basically. All the Islamophobia stuff is an ongoing neocon/zionist project. That, to me, is 100% clear.

    The origin of the so-called refugee crisis, I am much less clear about, but I am not avoiding the question really. It's just that I wrote a 1000 word response to Erebus about the points he was bringing up and didn't touch on other points. Nowadays, I try (though not always succeeding) to keep my comments below 1000 words or so.

    You are very keen to look at fake pictures and staged events but when it comes to muslim refugees you are somehow not very curious.
     

    It is beyond me how you draw this conclusion. Yes, the timing of the whole thing is strange. And, yes, there was a media campaign to create sympathy for these people, and now there seems to be a campaign to vilify them. As for why Merkel did what she did, I don't honestly know, but that does not mean I am not curious. I don't express a view as to why Merkel opened the borders to all those refugees because I am not sure why.

    As for the crisis being engineered, I never said it wasn't. Sure, I suppose it was. That the refugee crisis was instigated does not necessarily mean that the refugees are not real refugees however. But, to be clear, I'm not expressing any certainty about that.


    Flooding Europe with refugees is a win win strategy. (for the Zionists, you mean)
     
    Well, yeah, I guess that's largely because the Zionists control the discourse. They conflate a legitimate, sane, calmly argued anti-immigration stance with this rabid Islamophobic bigotry. So an anti-immigrant backlash that embraces their whole "radical Islam, clash of the civilizations blah blah" synthetic narrative, that's good for them. But then people who have an aversive reaction to all the racist anti-Muslim stuff end up kind of getting backed into a pro-immigration stance, and that side of the debate somehow is controlled by people like Barbara Spectre. It's like they control both sides of the debate so they can only win.

    For some reason you always shy away from J-topics.
     

    Well, you may perceive things that way, but it's not how I perceive it. I'm painfully aware that this whole propaganda matrix that I keep talking about, the Roger Rabbit mental world and so forth, is largely a Judaeo-Zionist construct at this point. Maybe not totally, but very largely. In my last article here, I basically said that ARRF, the dominant AngloZionist ideology, was the product of Jewish intellectuals and Jewish networks, to an incredible extent. I said that, but still people wrote comments accusing me of avoiding the J-topic.

    But look, here is something I perceive and I don't know whether you do as well. I feel that I am one of the people here who whom the Zionist shills most absolutely despise. They show up under my articles writing the most insulting things now and you've seen the utterly disrespectful way they address me in the comments.... I find that it's all really palpable and it's really a rather annoying, miserable kind of thing to be under that sort of relentless Zio troll attack. It's disturbing to be at the receiving end of such seething hostility, like the feeling that these people would gladly stick me in the eye if they had the chance. Though, that said, I also reason that it is a strong sign that I must be doing something right!

    Now, maybe you don't perceive what I do, okay, but I would ask, if I am playing such softball with the Zionists, why do they hate my guts so much? The ones here, you know what I'm talking about, no?

  125. @Sparkon

    Nobody really cares about this “whom” BS anyway.
     
    No, the comments here correcting the bad grammar should make it clear that some of us do indeed care about what you call BS. Your criticism should be directed at Alden, who insisted on pressing the point, after being shown he was wrong.

    21st Century or not, trolling grammatical airheads notwithstanding, what's right is right.

    As Aldous Huxley put it:

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored
     
    Take it or leave it.

    No, the comments here correcting the bad grammar should make it clear that some of us do indeed care about what you call BS.

    Okay, fine. But that’s not the point. My comment has basically nothing to do with the usage of who/whom. It has to do with one’s strategy/tactics for dealing with trolls.

    Suppose the guy said insistently that the capital of England was Manchester. Are you going to start getting all incensed and insist that, no, it’s London? By reacting that way, you’re doing what the troll wants you to do.

    21st Century or not, trolling grammatical airheads notwithstanding, what’s right is right.

    Precisely. And it is not right to allow yourself to get trolled, i.e. to get into some reactive stance to somebody saying something outrageous to just create a distraction.

    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored

    Well, precisely. That’s why there is no need to reply to that kind of trolling.

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  126. @utu
    Revusky, I read your piece here and I do not feel comfortable with your spiel which does not change. We have been through it already several weeks/months ago. You agree that the purpose is to instigate Islamophobia but you do not follow up on this. Is it because this would lead you to asking the question about Jewish, Zionist and Israel role in all of this. Yes, in ALL OF THIS from the day minus one. Like from 1948 and earlier? For some reason you always shy away from J-topics. Why don't you accept that the refugee stream peaking in 2015 (1-2 months after Trumps announcing he would run and build the wall and before Putin went to Syria and after Orban stared building the fence) was instigated and engineered for various political reasons. Instead you fall back on the rigorous definition of refugees and hide behind it. Suddenly the blood hound sniffing conspiracy everywhere in you goes to sleep? You are very keen to look at fake pictures and staged events but when it comes to muslim refugees you are somehow not very curious. Strange! For example, what about the pict of the little boy on the beach in Greece? Did they position him to maximize the most photogenic aspect of him? How the marching column son refugees were organized and supplied when they were walking through Balkans? How the UN funding for refugees camps in Turkey was reduced? Why the refugee marching column had particular demographic profile (80% young males)? Who printed maps and addresses in Germany? Who paid the smugglers across the sea from Turkey to Greek islands? And why do you think Merkel (and Austria) suddenly decided to open their border? What was the alternative? Were they afraid of bad image or there was something worse?

    Flooding Europe with refugees is a win win strategy. If you manage to ramp up islamophobia you will get New (nationalist) Right parties in Europe that are totally pro Zionist (unlike the old Nationalist Right). If you do not manage to ramp up islamophobia you follow the road towards the multiculti paradise outlined by Barbara Spectre and her ilk.

    Is it because this would lead you to asking the question about Jewish, Zionist and Israel role in all of this.

    I don’t think so. In fact, not only do I ask the question, I answer it basically. All the Islamophobia stuff is an ongoing neocon/zionist project. That, to me, is 100% clear.

    The origin of the so-called refugee crisis, I am much less clear about, but I am not avoiding the question really. It’s just that I wrote a 1000 word response to Erebus about the points he was bringing up and didn’t touch on other points. Nowadays, I try (though not always succeeding) to keep my comments below 1000 words or so.

    You are very keen to look at fake pictures and staged events but when it comes to muslim refugees you are somehow not very curious.

    It is beyond me how you draw this conclusion. Yes, the timing of the whole thing is strange. And, yes, there was a media campaign to create sympathy for these people, and now there seems to be a campaign to vilify them. As for why Merkel did what she did, I don’t honestly know, but that does not mean I am not curious. I don’t express a view as to why Merkel opened the borders to all those refugees because I am not sure why.

    As for the crisis being engineered, I never said it wasn’t. Sure, I suppose it was. That the refugee crisis was instigated does not necessarily mean that the refugees are not real refugees however. But, to be clear, I’m not expressing any certainty about that.

    Flooding Europe with refugees is a win win strategy. (for the Zionists, you mean)

    Well, yeah, I guess that’s largely because the Zionists control the discourse. They conflate a legitimate, sane, calmly argued anti-immigration stance with this rabid Islamophobic bigotry. So an anti-immigrant backlash that embraces their whole “radical Islam, clash of the civilizations blah blah” synthetic narrative, that’s good for them. But then people who have an aversive reaction to all the racist anti-Muslim stuff end up kind of getting backed into a pro-immigration stance, and that side of the debate somehow is controlled by people like Barbara Spectre. It’s like they control both sides of the debate so they can only win.

    For some reason you always shy away from J-topics.

    Well, you may perceive things that way, but it’s not how I perceive it. I’m painfully aware that this whole propaganda matrix that I keep talking about, the Roger Rabbit mental world and so forth, is largely a Judaeo-Zionist construct at this point. Maybe not totally, but very largely. In my last article here, I basically said that ARRF, the dominant AngloZionist ideology, was the product of Jewish intellectuals and Jewish networks, to an incredible extent. I said that, but still people wrote comments accusing me of avoiding the J-topic.

    But look, here is something I perceive and I don’t know whether you do as well. I feel that I am one of the people here who whom the Zionist shills most absolutely despise. They show up under my articles writing the most insulting things now and you’ve seen the utterly disrespectful way they address me in the comments…. I find that it’s all really palpable and it’s really a rather annoying, miserable kind of thing to be under that sort of relentless Zio troll attack. It’s disturbing to be at the receiving end of such seething hostility, like the feeling that these people would gladly stick me in the eye if they had the chance. Though, that said, I also reason that it is a strong sign that I must be doing something right!

    Now, maybe you don’t perceive what I do, okay, but I would ask, if I am playing such softball with the Zionists, why do they hate my guts so much? The ones here, you know what I’m talking about, no?

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  127. Okay, fine. But that’s not the point. My comment has basically nothing to do with the usage of who/whom. It has to do with one’s strategy/tactics for dealing with trolls.

    The point was grammar. Period. Full Stop.

    I don’t need any advice about dealing with other participants here. You seem to think Alden was trolling, or a troll, but I see him as merely stubborn and hardheaded about his own ignorance of grammar–not that he is alone in that regard–and I seized the opportunity to educate him, and also anyone else who may read these discussions, and appreciate the review. So you see how it is.

    You do your thing; I’ll do mine.

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    Agree. Alden is not a classical troll but when he decided to pick up on my grammar (which in this case happened to be correct) he was engaging in trolling because he did not like arguments I was making.
  128. It’s possible that your detractors are Zionists but I do not remember whether their bona fides were established from the exchanges partly because you do not go to cui bono issues and Z culpability in your writings.

    The creation and progression of Islamophobia is a direct consequence of the creation of the state of Israel and its subsequent interests and plans. If a Jewish state was created in Madagascar as some politicians (in pre WWII Europe, in particular in Germany) were envisaging by now probably we would be at war with all the fishes of Indian Ocean and ichthyophobia would be rampant. BTW, I do not know whether the end of WWII and the defeat of Germany is celebrated in Madagascar but it should. Perhaps more than in other countries.

    Anyway, the Islamophobia is here to stay and nothing can be done to change it. The narrative construction and control is in the hand of those who just want it to be so.

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    It’s possible that your detractors are Zionists
     
    Well, sometimes it's hard to distinguish between the actual Zionists and the people who are so propagandized that their brains are essentially Zionist occupied territory, so they're always repeating Zionist talking points, and even believing what they say when they do it.

    Then another class of people are the sellouts, or the wannabe sellouts, who repeat all the Zio bullshit as a kind of "virtue signalling", signaling their desire to be sellouts, at the very least. To me, Fred Reed's "Legion of the Tinfoil Hat" article is very much in that vein. Note, by the way, that all these people, like Rurik and the lot, when confronted with this kind of intellectual fraud and total betrayal, are willing to just let it slide. "Oh, Fred is basically a nice cuddly guy, so..." But I have taken the principled stance that it's unacceptable, and if the topic comes up, I make a point of saying that Fred Reed was engaging in intellectual fraud. And I'll say it right in the comments under his articles, like here http://www.unz.com/freed/columnists/ and Fred never comes out and even make a feeble attempt to defend himself, and is basically in the humiliating position of, via his silence, admitting that it's true; he engaged in intellectual fraud.

    And maybe I come off as being an obsessive, since that Fred Reed article was half a year ago at this point, but I don't see any reason to forgive Fred for that, or let up on him. And, in particular, if he wants to whine that people are treating him badly, well... f**** him...


    because you do not go to cui bono issues and Z culpability in your writings.
     
    Okay, well, first of all, if you think there are all these key issues I am avoiding, then maybe you should sit down and write an article or two yourself.

    As for what I've written, the four articles I've written are all on the long side, but none of them are really in-depth articles that specifically focus on something like 9/11 or any other synthetic terrorism event specifically. In the first article I wrote, all I really did, touching on 9/11, was cover a couple of the main reasons (i.e. WTC7) that the official account is simply impossible. For a general audience, given that I really only touch on it, that was the most I could really do.

    I don't think that I've really pussyfooted around the fact that all the cui bono sorts of arguments as well as a whole lot of circumstantial evidence points to 9/11 being a Neocon/Zionist operation. However, proving that, as compared to simply proving that the official story cannot possibly be true, one is certainly on much shakier ground.

    The article that I wrote very specifically about hoax events, entitled "The Show must Go On", I didn't mention the Z angle specifically, because I was most concerned with demonstrating to the reader that these synthetic events (and accompanying synthetic narratives) really exist. And on these other, more recent synthetic events, yes, I'm mostly interested in establishing is that these are synthetic events/narratives. You're faulting me for then not going the extra step of saying who is behind it, even though we basically know... But still, utu, you have to build the case step by step. The first step is to establish that these are synthetic events in the first place, no?


    The creation and progression of Islamophobia is a direct consequence of the creation of the state of Israel and its subsequent interests and plans. If a Jewish state was created in Madagascar...
     
    Well, sure. Obviously. By the same token, all these WW2 movies that demonize Germans, if the enemy had been France, say, the same movies would be demonizing French people instead of Germans. That should be obvious, no?

    And if they'd somehow set up a Jewish state in Southeast Asia, they'd surely be having similar problems there, and they'd be demonizing Asiatic people and they'd be running false flag terrorism events and surely all the patsies would be Buddhists. And the same shills, like Paul Joseph Watson and Stefan Molyneux would be putting up idiotic videos on youtube claiming that Western Civilization is under attack from "Radical Buddhism". And in that thought experiment, these people would never be saying anything about Islam, just like they don't say anything about Buddhism or Hinduism. It's all "Islam, Islam, Islam..." Some Arab ethnic louts in some poor quartier of Paris are doing whatever they do and, somehow this has something to do with Islam. These people are kinda stupid, but this particular stupidity, they didn't come up with it on their own.

    To me, all the above is kind of just too obvious, and that is the main reason I don't go on that much about it, not because I am avoiding the topic as a taboo or anything.


    Anyway, the Islamophobia is here to stay and nothing can be done to change it. The narrative construction and control is in the hand of those who just want it to be so.
     
    Okay, well, pessimistic as that assessment is, it is hard to disagree with it. One thing I would say though, is that all this does give one an excellent litmus test to determine who is worth paying attention to. Once people start with these canned Islamophobic talking points, it's as if the litmus test paper turned red or whatever color. It very reliably says something about the person who is purveying this BS.

    Getting back to the topic of this incident with Trump, this whole narrative that Sweden is this horrific crime-ridden place because they let in some Muslims, this is a synthetic narrative constructed by the people who construct these things. Trump has no clue what is going on in Sweden and probably doesn't even care. The reason he gave a speech talking about this is because somebody who is part of that whole operation inserted it into the speech, right? But then there is this thing where the synthetic event happens AFTER Trump alludes to it. Glitch in the matrix.

  129. @Sparkon

    Okay, fine. But that’s not the point. My comment has basically nothing to do with the usage of who/whom. It has to do with one’s strategy/tactics for dealing with trolls.
     
    The point was grammar. Period. Full Stop.

    I don't need any advice about dealing with other participants here. You seem to think Alden was trolling, or a troll, but I see him as merely stubborn and hardheaded about his own ignorance of grammar--not that he is alone in that regard--and I seized the opportunity to educate him, and also anyone else who may read these discussions, and appreciate the review. So you see how it is.

    You do your thing; I'll do mine.

    Agree. Alden is not a classical troll but when he decided to pick up on my grammar (which in this case happened to be correct) he was engaging in trolling because he did not like arguments I was making.

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  130. @Sparkon

    Its who is fu****g who, not whom. Whom is the object of a preposition, not the object of a sentence.
     
    That is completely wrong.

    "Who" is nominative case, and can only be used correctly as subject of sentence, or as predicate nominative.

    In all other cases, the oblique case of "who" is required, and that is "whom", both for object of preposition, and for object of sentence.

    Who is watching whom? Who is killing whom? Who is hosing whom?

    He was hosing whomever he could hose, because he felt entitled to hose whomsover he chose.

    Ask not into whom the hose plunges, nor where.

    Good reply, Sparkon. But I would make one tiny change to your comment. You said, “… both for object of preposition, and for object of sentence.”

    “Object of sentence”, while I know what you mean, is a bit unclear. It would be easier to say, “both for object of preposition, and for object of a verb.” However, this is just my opinion.

    I love grammar! I love the English language, even though it’s not my mother tongue. It is the best language in the world.

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  131. @utu
    It's possible that your detractors are Zionists but I do not remember whether their bona fides were established from the exchanges partly because you do not go to cui bono issues and Z culpability in your writings.

    The creation and progression of Islamophobia is a direct consequence of the creation of the state of Israel and its subsequent interests and plans. If a Jewish state was created in Madagascar as some politicians (in pre WWII Europe, in particular in Germany) were envisaging by now probably we would be at war with all the fishes of Indian Ocean and ichthyophobia would be rampant. BTW, I do not know whether the end of WWII and the defeat of Germany is celebrated in Madagascar but it should. Perhaps more than in other countries.

    Anyway, the Islamophobia is here to stay and nothing can be done to change it. The narrative construction and control is in the hand of those who just want it to be so.

    It’s possible that your detractors are Zionists

    Well, sometimes it’s hard to distinguish between the actual Zionists and the people who are so propagandized that their brains are essentially Zionist occupied territory, so they’re always repeating Zionist talking points, and even believing what they say when they do it.

    Then another class of people are the sellouts, or the wannabe sellouts, who repeat all the Zio bullshit as a kind of “virtue signalling”, signaling their desire to be sellouts, at the very least. To me, Fred Reed’s “Legion of the Tinfoil Hat” article is very much in that vein. Note, by the way, that all these people, like Rurik and the lot, when confronted with this kind of intellectual fraud and total betrayal, are willing to just let it slide. “Oh, Fred is basically a nice cuddly guy, so…” But I have taken the principled stance that it’s unacceptable, and if the topic comes up, I make a point of saying that Fred Reed was engaging in intellectual fraud. And I’ll say it right in the comments under his articles, like here http://www.unz.com/freed/columnists/ and Fred never comes out and even make a feeble attempt to defend himself, and is basically in the humiliating position of, via his silence, admitting that it’s true; he engaged in intellectual fraud.

    And maybe I come off as being an obsessive, since that Fred Reed article was half a year ago at this point, but I don’t see any reason to forgive Fred for that, or let up on him. And, in particular, if he wants to whine that people are treating him badly, well… f**** him…

    because you do not go to cui bono issues and Z culpability in your writings.

    Okay, well, first of all, if you think there are all these key issues I am avoiding, then maybe you should sit down and write an article or two yourself.

    As for what I’ve written, the four articles I’ve written are all on the long side, but none of them are really in-depth articles that specifically focus on something like 9/11 or any other synthetic terrorism event specifically. In the first article I wrote, all I really did, touching on 9/11, was cover a couple of the main reasons (i.e. WTC7) that the official account is simply impossible. For a general audience, given that I really only touch on it, that was the most I could really do.

    I don’t think that I’ve really pussyfooted around the fact that all the cui bono sorts of arguments as well as a whole lot of circumstantial evidence points to 9/11 being a Neocon/Zionist operation. However, proving that, as compared to simply proving that the official story cannot possibly be true, one is certainly on much shakier ground.

    The article that I wrote very specifically about hoax events, entitled “The Show must Go On”, I didn’t mention the Z angle specifically, because I was most concerned with demonstrating to the reader that these synthetic events (and accompanying synthetic narratives) really exist. And on these other, more recent synthetic events, yes, I’m mostly interested in establishing is that these are synthetic events/narratives. You’re faulting me for then not going the extra step of saying who is behind it, even though we basically know… But still, utu, you have to build the case step by step. The first step is to establish that these are synthetic events in the first place, no?

    The creation and progression of Islamophobia is a direct consequence of the creation of the state of Israel and its subsequent interests and plans. If a Jewish state was created in Madagascar…

    Well, sure. Obviously. By the same token, all these WW2 movies that demonize Germans, if the enemy had been France, say, the same movies would be demonizing French people instead of Germans. That should be obvious, no?

    And if they’d somehow set up a Jewish state in Southeast Asia, they’d surely be having similar problems there, and they’d be demonizing Asiatic people and they’d be running false flag terrorism events and surely all the patsies would be Buddhists. And the same shills, like Paul Joseph Watson and Stefan Molyneux would be putting up idiotic videos on youtube claiming that Western Civilization is under attack from “Radical Buddhism”. And in that thought experiment, these people would never be saying anything about Islam, just like they don’t say anything about Buddhism or Hinduism. It’s all “Islam, Islam, Islam…” Some Arab ethnic louts in some poor quartier of Paris are doing whatever they do and, somehow this has something to do with Islam. These people are kinda stupid, but this particular stupidity, they didn’t come up with it on their own.

    To me, all the above is kind of just too obvious, and that is the main reason I don’t go on that much about it, not because I am avoiding the topic as a taboo or anything.

    Anyway, the Islamophobia is here to stay and nothing can be done to change it. The narrative construction and control is in the hand of those who just want it to be so.

    Okay, well, pessimistic as that assessment is, it is hard to disagree with it. One thing I would say though, is that all this does give one an excellent litmus test to determine who is worth paying attention to. Once people start with these canned Islamophobic talking points, it’s as if the litmus test paper turned red or whatever color. It very reliably says something about the person who is purveying this BS.

    Getting back to the topic of this incident with Trump, this whole narrative that Sweden is this horrific crime-ridden place because they let in some Muslims, this is a synthetic narrative constructed by the people who construct these things. Trump has no clue what is going on in Sweden and probably doesn’t even care. The reason he gave a speech talking about this is because somebody who is part of that whole operation inserted it into the speech, right? But then there is this thing where the synthetic event happens AFTER Trump alludes to it. Glitch in the matrix.

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  132. I look Fred Reed’s article as being kind of tongue in cheek to some extent because I just did not believe that he could write what he wrote believing that he would be believed. I am also easy on him because there are real crazies out there among conspiracy theorists. There are many youtube yahoos. Who are just idiots or being paid to be idiots. There is a subset of youtube yahoos who sees everything as a hoax and then there is another who sees everything as a false flag. They irritate me. So be careful not to fall in one of these categories.

    I think what would be good to go through past events and also fictional event from literature (maybe starting at least with Joseph Conrad) and write some type of classification and taxonomy of terrorists (anarchists of 19 c) events… ad create categories and taxonomy of synthetic, organic and semi-organic events. There are many possibilities. Write about and illustrate it with cases. You like to create new notions and neologism, right?

    Have you read any books by Volkoff? Studying history of Okhrana and its activities of setting up false fronts and organizations of controlled opposition would also be good. There is lots of knowledge. People in Easter Europe have more basic knowledge than Western Europeans and Americans especially to imagine multilayer intricacies of schemes set up by the secret police. When the last Tsar was assassinated, the story goes, that all directors of Okhrana departments where running like chickens w/o head screaming: Believe me, this assassin was not one of mine operatives!. False flag are taken there for granted. And hoaxes too (like some alleged Jewish pogroms.)

    You analogy about WWII, Germans and French vs. Israel and Islamophobia does not feel right. The movies about Germans mostly were made after the WWII while what is produced on Muslims is before the WWIII. Movies did not start the WWII but they might start the WWIII. Do you see the difference?

    Once people start with these canned Islamophobic talking points, it’s as if the litmus test paper turned red or whatever color.

    I use a similar litmus test but when somebody tells he just does not want Muslims in his country I have no problem with it, however when I see that he is ideological about it then yes the litmus paper turns read. Muslims do not assimilate well or not at all. Jews also do not assimilate but are much smarter about it (1000′s years of experience developing best strategy, right?). Anyway if I were to construct a society or a country from a scratch I would not populate it with Muslims and Jews as minorities because this would be to the detriment of the majority. NB: I feel sorry for Sweden. They screwed up taking Jews after WWII and from Poland in 1950s and 60s and it went downhill after that. Bu if I were neoliberal capitalists designing a country from a scratch I definitively would populate the country with hostile and un-assimilable minorities because that would help me to control the society by the divide and rule method. Multi-cultural societies have lower mutual empathy and solidarity.

    I can go easy on Trump here because I can imagine that his imbecilic level of inarticulateness and poor command of language lead to this thing. I can even imagine that he does not distinguish reality from what he sees on TV. Perhaps if he saw a day before Disney’s Ali Baba and 40 Thieves perhaps he would also said that “You can’t believe what’s going on in Bagdad yesterday.” He is really pathetic. And there is also a moral dimension. He is really despicable but not much more than other celebrities and media people who do not care what they say that there is some gravity implied and expected sincerity. No there is not. He is like Roseanne Roseannadanna who when caught saying nonsense would just say never mind and proceed as if nothing has happened. For these reasons I do not get too excited about the riots or whatever in Sweden in this case but I can easily imagine that post facto some pro Trump operative could arrange burning several cars and having several boys throwing stones. It is easy, so why not. Perhaps this operatives could have been a buddy of Israel Shamir with links to FSB and Mossad who from his recent writings seems to believe that Trump would be good (in some strange way) to Muslims and Palestinians, in particular. You know, Shamir made his reputation as a great advocate of Palestinians. Anyway, it’s a minor thing.

    Okay, well, pessimistic as that assessment is, it is hard to disagree with it.

    Nothing wrong with pessimism. We all are going to die.

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    I look Fred Reed’s article as being kind of tongue in cheek to some extent
     
    Well, frankly, that's just symptomatic of what I was talking about, this willingness of some people to bend over backwards to find some generous interpretation of this.

    When somebody writes an article like that, he is signalling that he is a whore and a sellout. Trying to explain it away is basically sucker behavior. This is a war of sorts and the most minimal thing in a war is to recognize who is on your side and who is not. That's why I'm still more or less nice to you, utu, because, despite some of your glaring faults, I still think you're basically on the right side. The problem is that I am increasingly aware that you have some pretty major blind spots.

    I am also easy on him because there are real crazies out there among conspiracy theorists.
     
    Well, frankly, you're now just engaging in pure obtuseness. The absolutely central issue with 9/11 is that the government story is simply physically impossible. That is where all the serious presentations on the issue begin -- like ae91truth and David Ray Griffin etc. In fact, that's where most of them end as well. They basically just say the official story cannot possibly be true so there is a need for a new investigation and they don't go further than that. They center around the key issues, such as: symmetrical free-fall collapse of building 7 and that it was reported before it happened and plenty of other problems.

    Anybody who knows anything about the topic knows the above, so let's say somebody is representing that the real issue is that there are people putting up videos on youtube saying that Elvis is still alive, or extraterrestrials built the pyramids or the earth is flat. Well, there are two possibilities. The person is a complete idiot or engaging in self-delusion. OR the person is deliberately blowing smoke for whatever reasons.

    Now, it's true that some people are just horrendously stupid. For example, take this idiot here who thinks it's so important to correct this Alden scumbag regarding his misstatement about who/whom. "Oh, this guy is saying incorrect things about English grammar and this is so important!" He can't see that this is just a total distraction. The important thing is to corner this Alden creature regarding all of the lies he's been telling, not to lecture it about who vs. whom. It amounts to allowing somebody who is getting cornered factually and logically in a discussion to create this ridiculous distraction.

    Movies did not start the WWII but they might start the WWIII. Do you see the difference?
     
    Well, okay, you've got a point there, but it's not terribly important. All I'm saying is that the propaganda, where they're demonizing a certain group of people, exists because it serves a certain political purpose. It's fairly obvious who it is who wants us to hate Muslims.

    I use a similar litmus test but when somebody tells he just does not want Muslims in his country I have no problem with it, however when I see that he is ideological about it then yes the litmus paper turns read.
     
    Well, there are things people say that immediately make you realize that the person lacks critical thinking skills. Like, "Obama is a socialist" or something like that. The person typically does not really know what socialism even is, and typically if somebody says something like that, you can pretty much immediately assume that the person is totally brainwashed and hardly worth talking to. Or, when this Thompson guy, in a recent article, started this business of reverently quoting Winston Churchill and saying that Churchill was a great "defender of freedom", this was a similar litmus test reading moment. You see that somebody is repeating talking points that were inserted in his head by a propaganda machine, and has never critically thought about them. So, when people start going on about Muslims and Islam, something similar clicks.

    The thing is that most of the people who would rant about Islam really are just against immigration. Like, if you asked them: "Well, so, if all of these people were Hindus instead of Muslims, you would be okay with the immigration, no?" Obviously, they are no more in favor of a million Hindus showing up than a million Muslims. So the issue is not Islam, right? But there is the Zionist propaganda machine, a branch of it, that has inserted the idea in this person's head that it has something to do with Islam.

    Muslims do not assimilate well or not at all.
     
    Well, the problem with the above statement is the self-selection bias in observation. It is precisely the ones who have not assimilated that you notice more, so.... For example, I was trying to figure out recently how many women in the West wear the full veil, the niqab. It's hard to get really hard figures, but whatever the numbers are, they're really very small. Way under 1% of the Muslim women, maybe 0.1%. The problem is that if you do run across a woman wearing that in a Western country, it does draw your attention and there is a tendency to overestimate how frequent it really is.

    As for Muslims in the West not wanting to assimilate, I note that there are plenty who are so eager to assimilate that they are willing to badmouth their own culture and religion. There are all these Uncle Tom Muslims, like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and those sorts. That's the very high profile ones, but there must be plenty of them.

    Or in a somewhat different vein, just consider this utterly pathetic Uncle Talha character. I initially thought he couldn't possibly be a real Muslim, but then finally figured he must be. He poses as this great defender of Islam, but his whole obsession is events that occurred centuries ago, but he won't just point out that all of this radical Islamic terrorism is false flags and hoaxes! Basically, people like this desire acceptance in the West so much that they are willing to go along with all these constructed blood libels against their people, like 9/11 and the rest! At least Jews don't go along with blood libels. You ever heard a Jew say: "Well, okay, some Jews do drink the blood of Christian children, but I'm a good, moderate Jew who doesn't do that kind of thing." NO, they denounce the blood libel! They say: "No, Jews don't do that and it's vicious calumny." An Uncle Talha type Muslim thinks that it is not important, only correcting misstatements about the prophet and so on, things that happened (or didn't) over a thousand years ago!

    Well, I'll close this comment here. I have some things to do, so I'll have to answer separately about the Trump and Sweden matter, which is really what we should talk about more, since that's more what the article is about.
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Have you read any books by Volkoff? Studying history of Okhrana and its activities of setting up false fronts
     
    I am not familiar with Volkoff, no. I have some passing knowledge about this aspect of Russian history. I mean, it all rings a bell. And also there is Lenin's famous statement about "controlling" the opposition, but I don't possess a deep knowledge of all the history either.

    Still, I understand enough that, when, within a day or so of one of these incidents, they point at who did it, I am quite skeptical. I mean, you look at some of the writers here and it's just amazing. They are told any story in the aftermath of one of these events and they just take it as an established fact. Look at Karlin. Now they are saying this guy, a Russian citizen born in Kirghizstan, apparently a sushi chef in a sushi restaurant chain, was the guy and Karlin just takes it as a fact. I don't know if the word "patsy" is in Karlin's vocabulary. And he is Russian!!!

    The guy in London, Adrian Elms, a.k.a. Khalid Masood or something, was 52 years old! He had a teenage daughter in a fairly expensive private school. So he was "radicalized" well into middle age and so on and decides to mow down random people on a bridge. At the age of 52! Very strange story really if you think about it. And then there are all the people who decide to do something in an airport. Why would any real terrorists decide to target an airport? But the main regular writers on this site just take any very strange narrative at face value. If you doubt any of it, you're a conspiracy theorist, I guess, not a serious person... probably believe the earth is flat and Elvis lives...


    Perhaps if he saw a day before Disney’s Ali Baba and 40 Thieves perhaps he would also said that “You can’t believe what’s going on in Bagdad yesterday.” He is really pathetic.
     
    Well, I don't really disagree too much, but I don't think the "last night in Sweden" remark came from watching Fox News. I think it was a talking point inserted into his speech by his handlers. The tweet the next day, he says he was talking about some bullshit show he saw on Fox. But how do we know he even watched the show? It was just a post facto explanation of the "last night in Sweden" thing that doesn't make a lot of sense.

    Anyway, a U.S. President lecturing Sweden about how crime-ridden their country is, that's a total joke, of course. I mean, any cursory look comparing the crime statistics in the U.S. with Sweden, it's just ridiculous. Sweden has very low rates of violent crime. The whole idea that Sweden is suffering some incredible crime wave because of the immigrants they've taken in seems to be just fake news. Or the notion that a working class suburb of Stockholm, like Rinkeby is, that this is a high crime area by U.S. standards, that seems to be ludicrous.

    But, anyway, the Rinkeby riots seem to be a synthetic event of some sort. Maybe something organic really did happen, but you cannot find any footage of anybody rioting.

    And now there is a new thing with a truck in Stockholm! Not much is known yet, but it's bound to be a synthetic event of some sort.

    The thing is that they've been targeting Sweden with all this synthetic narrative for some time now, and for me, this business of Trump mentioning all the problems in Sweden is part of it. Somebody inserted it into his speech. It's a funny thing because, really, let's face it, Sweden is a country where nothing much ever really happens. The place is boring! It's a very prosperous, boring place. So, if you step back and look at it objectively, it stands to reason that if you really want something to happen in Sweden, you pretty much have to make it happen yourself.

    Or, if you control the media, you just say it happened, and then it effectively did!

  133. trump prescience…update after T. decides to go after Assad….

    Subject: Fw: NYTimes.com: Assad’s History of Chemical Attacks, and Other Atrocities (maybe)

    Check out the last photo in this jewyorktimes piece, the one which is claimed to be a crater from a Scud Missile, an old Russian missile, not accurate, but deadly of course. A wiki search got this…”Other countries used the imprecise Scud as a crude device for lobbing a ton or two of high explosives somewhere into an opponent’s cities.”

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    The only way that crater and surrounding proximate area could be the impact spot of a Scud, would be if it was a dud. ” a ton or two of high explosives ” would have leveled a couple square blocks of everything, especially inasmuch as the picture shows low density of lousy buildings.

    My expertise is based on training in the army on 105 Howitzers, what people call artillery. Also, normal reasoning comes into play. The article also states that locals said it was a Scud missile. Where are the experts?,

    So more fakery in images and text, from the jewspaper of record….all the news that fits the narrative of Bad Assad, Bad Russian, etc.

    It is All for Israel, by any means necessary. Let us be clear, Assad and Hizbollah, and Iran, and Hamas, etc….oppose the state of Israel. That is why Assad must be killed. And Trump told us that he was going to be a neutral arbiter in Israel/Palestine. Trump caving in to the jews.

    Now Trump is talking about going into Syria. 100 people are killed and we send in the marines. Gas is bad, but so are bullets, and shrapnel, etc. Hysteria over Gas. Sort of like Knives, not guns. Knives are seen as scarier, but they are not as effective as bullets.

    Assad would be foolish to gas anybody at this time, when , 1, he is winning, 2, it is bad PR, 3. Trump earlier a few months ago, said No More Invasions, etc..

    Sarin, from reading up a bit on wiki, is a liquid and can be delivered by small things like mortars or artillery shells. I watched Tucker Carlson on Fox last night…rolled over by a square-jawed Republican tough guy who declared that “fixed-wing” aircraft were observed at the same time. And Isis etc. who Obongo funded couple years ago for attacks on Syria,. does not have fixed-wing aircraft….Sounds authoritative. Good liar is all this guy is.

    Liar in the sense that there is no, even close to 100%, certainty that Assad dun it. We get endless jewstories on the atrocities of Assad, but close to zero stories on the atrocities of Isis and the dozens of jihadist groups, who , if for no other reason than that they are somewhat limited to smaller weapons, wind up killing civilians more, Probably, than Assad.

    Plus, to get the emotional brain all charged up….what is worse than Sarin gas?….ooooyeah…getting your head chopped off , and what is worse than that? doing it while you are alive. Now there is some great propaganda material. And, there is some good evidence that the wild and crazy jihadists like to do this, like our closer to home savages…the mexicans.

    Assad beheads kids! Sort of like the Incubator Babies of Iraq, the story ginned-jewed up by Tom Lantos, the Jew Congressman from my neck of the woods in SF area. If memory serves. Babies snatched from their incubators and left on the floor to die. What were Saddam’s soldiers going to use the incubators for?

    Incubating nerve gas of course. (I always tell you when I am making things up, the last so qualifying )

    Trump seems to have rolled over to the jews. Well, I have been saying that Trump is only the first phase of the counter-revolution.

    Joe Webb

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    Subject: NYTimes.com: Assad’s History of Chemical Attacks, and Other Atrocities

    Assad’s History of Chemical Attacks, and Other Atrocities
    BY RUSSELL GOLDMAN

    In six years of war, President Bashar al-Assad of Syria has overseen a campaign of carnage, using both the most modern means and ancient tactics against his people.
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  134. How about this Prescience of Donald Trump? Did he fire Bannon before gas attack in Syria or after?

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    “Trump ordered giving up the regime change drive in Syria, and this is already a good thing. It would be better if he were to forget about the Middle East completely, but probably the US military would not allow that.”

    Not very prescient observation.

    Trump has gone Zio-con on Syria all of a sudden.

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  136. @utu
    I look Fred Reed's article as being kind of tongue in cheek to some extent because I just did not believe that he could write what he wrote believing that he would be believed. I am also easy on him because there are real crazies out there among conspiracy theorists. There are many youtube yahoos. Who are just idiots or being paid to be idiots. There is a subset of youtube yahoos who sees everything as a hoax and then there is another who sees everything as a false flag. They irritate me. So be careful not to fall in one of these categories.

    I think what would be good to go through past events and also fictional event from literature (maybe starting at least with Joseph Conrad) and write some type of classification and taxonomy of terrorists (anarchists of 19 c) events... ad create categories and taxonomy of synthetic, organic and semi-organic events. There are many possibilities. Write about and illustrate it with cases. You like to create new notions and neologism, right?

    Have you read any books by Volkoff? Studying history of Okhrana and its activities of setting up false fronts and organizations of controlled opposition would also be good. There is lots of knowledge. People in Easter Europe have more basic knowledge than Western Europeans and Americans especially to imagine multilayer intricacies of schemes set up by the secret police. When the last Tsar was assassinated, the story goes, that all directors of Okhrana departments where running like chickens w/o head screaming: Believe me, this assassin was not one of mine operatives!. False flag are taken there for granted. And hoaxes too (like some alleged Jewish pogroms.)

    You analogy about WWII, Germans and French vs. Israel and Islamophobia does not feel right. The movies about Germans mostly were made after the WWII while what is produced on Muslims is before the WWIII. Movies did not start the WWII but they might start the WWIII. Do you see the difference?

    Once people start with these canned Islamophobic talking points, it’s as if the litmus test paper turned red or whatever color.
     

    I use a similar litmus test but when somebody tells he just does not want Muslims in his country I have no problem with it, however when I see that he is ideological about it then yes the litmus paper turns read. Muslims do not assimilate well or not at all. Jews also do not assimilate but are much smarter about it (1000's years of experience developing best strategy, right?). Anyway if I were to construct a society or a country from a scratch I would not populate it with Muslims and Jews as minorities because this would be to the detriment of the majority. NB: I feel sorry for Sweden. They screwed up taking Jews after WWII and from Poland in 1950s and 60s and it went downhill after that. Bu if I were neoliberal capitalists designing a country from a scratch I definitively would populate the country with hostile and un-assimilable minorities because that would help me to control the society by the divide and rule method. Multi-cultural societies have lower mutual empathy and solidarity.

    I can go easy on Trump here because I can imagine that his imbecilic level of inarticulateness and poor command of language lead to this thing. I can even imagine that he does not distinguish reality from what he sees on TV. Perhaps if he saw a day before Disney's Ali Baba and 40 Thieves perhaps he would also said that "You can't believe what's going on in Bagdad yesterday." He is really pathetic. And there is also a moral dimension. He is really despicable but not much more than other celebrities and media people who do not care what they say that there is some gravity implied and expected sincerity. No there is not. He is like Roseanne Roseannadanna who when caught saying nonsense would just say never mind and proceed as if nothing has happened. For these reasons I do not get too excited about the riots or whatever in Sweden in this case but I can easily imagine that post facto some pro Trump operative could arrange burning several cars and having several boys throwing stones. It is easy, so why not. Perhaps this operatives could have been a buddy of Israel Shamir with links to FSB and Mossad who from his recent writings seems to believe that Trump would be good (in some strange way) to Muslims and Palestinians, in particular. You know, Shamir made his reputation as a great advocate of Palestinians. Anyway, it's a minor thing.


    Okay, well, pessimistic as that assessment is, it is hard to disagree with it.
     
    Nothing wrong with pessimism. We all are going to die.

    I look Fred Reed’s article as being kind of tongue in cheek to some extent

    Well, frankly, that’s just symptomatic of what I was talking about, this willingness of some people to bend over backwards to find some generous interpretation of this.

    When somebody writes an article like that, he is signalling that he is a whore and a sellout. Trying to explain it away is basically sucker behavior. This is a war of sorts and the most minimal thing in a war is to recognize who is on your side and who is not. That’s why I’m still more or less nice to you, utu, because, despite some of your glaring faults, I still think you’re basically on the right side. The problem is that I am increasingly aware that you have some pretty major blind spots.

    I am also easy on him because there are real crazies out there among conspiracy theorists.

    Well, frankly, you’re now just engaging in pure obtuseness. The absolutely central issue with 9/11 is that the government story is simply physically impossible. That is where all the serious presentations on the issue begin — like ae91truth and David Ray Griffin etc. In fact, that’s where most of them end as well. They basically just say the official story cannot possibly be true so there is a need for a new investigation and they don’t go further than that. They center around the key issues, such as: symmetrical free-fall collapse of building 7 and that it was reported before it happened and plenty of other problems.

    Anybody who knows anything about the topic knows the above, so let’s say somebody is representing that the real issue is that there are people putting up videos on youtube saying that Elvis is still alive, or extraterrestrials built the pyramids or the earth is flat. Well, there are two possibilities. The person is a complete idiot or engaging in self-delusion. OR the person is deliberately blowing smoke for whatever reasons.

    Now, it’s true that some people are just horrendously stupid. For example, take this idiot here who thinks it’s so important to correct this Alden scumbag regarding his misstatement about who/whom. “Oh, this guy is saying incorrect things about English grammar and this is so important!” He can’t see that this is just a total distraction. The important thing is to corner this Alden creature regarding all of the lies he’s been telling, not to lecture it about who vs. whom. It amounts to allowing somebody who is getting cornered factually and logically in a discussion to create this ridiculous distraction.

    Movies did not start the WWII but they might start the WWIII. Do you see the difference?

    Well, okay, you’ve got a point there, but it’s not terribly important. All I’m saying is that the propaganda, where they’re demonizing a certain group of people, exists because it serves a certain political purpose. It’s fairly obvious who it is who wants us to hate Muslims.

    I use a similar litmus test but when somebody tells he just does not want Muslims in his country I have no problem with it, however when I see that he is ideological about it then yes the litmus paper turns read.

    Well, there are things people say that immediately make you realize that the person lacks critical thinking skills. Like, “Obama is a socialist” or something like that. The person typically does not really know what socialism even is, and typically if somebody says something like that, you can pretty much immediately assume that the person is totally brainwashed and hardly worth talking to. Or, when this Thompson guy, in a recent article, started this business of reverently quoting Winston Churchill and saying that Churchill was a great “defender of freedom”, this was a similar litmus test reading moment. You see that somebody is repeating talking points that were inserted in his head by a propaganda machine, and has never critically thought about them. So, when people start going on about Muslims and Islam, something similar clicks.

    The thing is that most of the people who would rant about Islam really are just against immigration. Like, if you asked them: “Well, so, if all of these people were Hindus instead of Muslims, you would be okay with the immigration, no?” Obviously, they are no more in favor of a million Hindus showing up than a million Muslims. So the issue is not Islam, right? But there is the Zionist propaganda machine, a branch of it, that has inserted the idea in this person’s head that it has something to do with Islam.

    Muslims do not assimilate well or not at all.

    Well, the problem with the above statement is the self-selection bias in observation. It is precisely the ones who have not assimilated that you notice more, so…. For example, I was trying to figure out recently how many women in the West wear the full veil, the niqab. It’s hard to get really hard figures, but whatever the numbers are, they’re really very small. Way under 1% of the Muslim women, maybe 0.1%. The problem is that if you do run across a woman wearing that in a Western country, it does draw your attention and there is a tendency to overestimate how frequent it really is.

    As for Muslims in the West not wanting to assimilate, I note that there are plenty who are so eager to assimilate that they are willing to badmouth their own culture and religion. There are all these Uncle Tom Muslims, like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and those sorts. That’s the very high profile ones, but there must be plenty of them.

    Or in a somewhat different vein, just consider this utterly pathetic Uncle Talha character. I initially thought he couldn’t possibly be a real Muslim, but then finally figured he must be. He poses as this great defender of Islam, but his whole obsession is events that occurred centuries ago, but he won’t just point out that all of this radical Islamic terrorism is false flags and hoaxes! Basically, people like this desire acceptance in the West so much that they are willing to go along with all these constructed blood libels against their people, like 9/11 and the rest! At least Jews don’t go along with blood libels. You ever heard a Jew say: “Well, okay, some Jews do drink the blood of Christian children, but I’m a good, moderate Jew who doesn’t do that kind of thing.” NO, they denounce the blood libel! They say: “No, Jews don’t do that and it’s vicious calumny.” An Uncle Talha type Muslim thinks that it is not important, only correcting misstatements about the prophet and so on, things that happened (or didn’t) over a thousand years ago!

    Well, I’ll close this comment here. I have some things to do, so I’ll have to answer separately about the Trump and Sweden matter, which is really what we should talk about more, since that’s more what the article is about.

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    " I’m still more or less nice to you, utu,"
     
    That I am the only one left who is still willing to have a conversation with you should't hold back your true nature call to quarrel and antagonize. Go for it. Being a "free radical" w/o any bonds seems to be your destiny.
    , @utu
    I wrote this:

    Muslims do not assimilate well or not at all. Jews also do not assimilate but are much smarter about it (1000′s years of experience developing best strategy, right?). Anyway if I were to construct a society or a country from a scratch I would not populate it with Muslims and Jews as minorities because this would be to the detriment of the majority.
     
    Your response:

    "Muslims do not assimilate well or not at all."

    Well, the problem with the above statement is the self-selection bias in observation. It is precisely the ones who have not assimilated that you notice more, so…. For example, I was trying to figure out recently how many women in the West wear the full veil, the niqab. It’s hard to get really hard figures, but whatever the numbers are, they’re really very small. Way under 1% of the Muslim women, maybe 0.1%. The problem is that if you do run across a woman wearing that in a Western country, it does draw your attention and there is a tendency to overestimate how frequent it really is.

    As for Muslims in the West not wanting to assimilate, I note that there are plenty who are so eager to assimilate that they are willing to badmouth their own culture and religion. There are all these Uncle Tom Muslims, like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and those sorts. That’s the very high profile ones, but there must be plenty of them.

     

    Can you tell the difference between Czechs and Slovaks or between Swedes and Norwegians? Most people can't. Still Czechs and Slovaks decided to go their own ways just like Swedes and Norwegians about 80 years earlier. And now the people who preferred not to live together with their closest cultural and ethical relatives who had common history for 100's of years will be told by J. Revusky that if they claim that that Muslims do not assimilate well in their countries they are suffering from "the self-selection bias in observation" and thus should ignore their perceptions because Muslims certainly in long run will assimilate in Czech Republic better that Slovak ever did. You are an idiot!
  137. @utu
    I look Fred Reed's article as being kind of tongue in cheek to some extent because I just did not believe that he could write what he wrote believing that he would be believed. I am also easy on him because there are real crazies out there among conspiracy theorists. There are many youtube yahoos. Who are just idiots or being paid to be idiots. There is a subset of youtube yahoos who sees everything as a hoax and then there is another who sees everything as a false flag. They irritate me. So be careful not to fall in one of these categories.

    I think what would be good to go through past events and also fictional event from literature (maybe starting at least with Joseph Conrad) and write some type of classification and taxonomy of terrorists (anarchists of 19 c) events... ad create categories and taxonomy of synthetic, organic and semi-organic events. There are many possibilities. Write about and illustrate it with cases. You like to create new notions and neologism, right?

    Have you read any books by Volkoff? Studying history of Okhrana and its activities of setting up false fronts and organizations of controlled opposition would also be good. There is lots of knowledge. People in Easter Europe have more basic knowledge than Western Europeans and Americans especially to imagine multilayer intricacies of schemes set up by the secret police. When the last Tsar was assassinated, the story goes, that all directors of Okhrana departments where running like chickens w/o head screaming: Believe me, this assassin was not one of mine operatives!. False flag are taken there for granted. And hoaxes too (like some alleged Jewish pogroms.)

    You analogy about WWII, Germans and French vs. Israel and Islamophobia does not feel right. The movies about Germans mostly were made after the WWII while what is produced on Muslims is before the WWIII. Movies did not start the WWII but they might start the WWIII. Do you see the difference?

    Once people start with these canned Islamophobic talking points, it’s as if the litmus test paper turned red or whatever color.
     

    I use a similar litmus test but when somebody tells he just does not want Muslims in his country I have no problem with it, however when I see that he is ideological about it then yes the litmus paper turns read. Muslims do not assimilate well or not at all. Jews also do not assimilate but are much smarter about it (1000's years of experience developing best strategy, right?). Anyway if I were to construct a society or a country from a scratch I would not populate it with Muslims and Jews as minorities because this would be to the detriment of the majority. NB: I feel sorry for Sweden. They screwed up taking Jews after WWII and from Poland in 1950s and 60s and it went downhill after that. Bu if I were neoliberal capitalists designing a country from a scratch I definitively would populate the country with hostile and un-assimilable minorities because that would help me to control the society by the divide and rule method. Multi-cultural societies have lower mutual empathy and solidarity.

    I can go easy on Trump here because I can imagine that his imbecilic level of inarticulateness and poor command of language lead to this thing. I can even imagine that he does not distinguish reality from what he sees on TV. Perhaps if he saw a day before Disney's Ali Baba and 40 Thieves perhaps he would also said that "You can't believe what's going on in Bagdad yesterday." He is really pathetic. And there is also a moral dimension. He is really despicable but not much more than other celebrities and media people who do not care what they say that there is some gravity implied and expected sincerity. No there is not. He is like Roseanne Roseannadanna who when caught saying nonsense would just say never mind and proceed as if nothing has happened. For these reasons I do not get too excited about the riots or whatever in Sweden in this case but I can easily imagine that post facto some pro Trump operative could arrange burning several cars and having several boys throwing stones. It is easy, so why not. Perhaps this operatives could have been a buddy of Israel Shamir with links to FSB and Mossad who from his recent writings seems to believe that Trump would be good (in some strange way) to Muslims and Palestinians, in particular. You know, Shamir made his reputation as a great advocate of Palestinians. Anyway, it's a minor thing.


    Okay, well, pessimistic as that assessment is, it is hard to disagree with it.
     
    Nothing wrong with pessimism. We all are going to die.

    Have you read any books by Volkoff? Studying history of Okhrana and its activities of setting up false fronts

    I am not familiar with Volkoff, no. I have some passing knowledge about this aspect of Russian history. I mean, it all rings a bell. And also there is Lenin’s famous statement about “controlling” the opposition, but I don’t possess a deep knowledge of all the history either.

    Still, I understand enough that, when, within a day or so of one of these incidents, they point at who did it, I am quite skeptical. I mean, you look at some of the writers here and it’s just amazing. They are told any story in the aftermath of one of these events and they just take it as an established fact. Look at Karlin. Now they are saying this guy, a Russian citizen born in Kirghizstan, apparently a sushi chef in a sushi restaurant chain, was the guy and Karlin just takes it as a fact. I don’t know if the word “patsy” is in Karlin’s vocabulary. And he is Russian!!!

    The guy in London, Adrian Elms, a.k.a. Khalid Masood or something, was 52 years old! He had a teenage daughter in a fairly expensive private school. So he was “radicalized” well into middle age and so on and decides to mow down random people on a bridge. At the age of 52! Very strange story really if you think about it. And then there are all the people who decide to do something in an airport. Why would any real terrorists decide to target an airport? But the main regular writers on this site just take any very strange narrative at face value. If you doubt any of it, you’re a conspiracy theorist, I guess, not a serious person… probably believe the earth is flat and Elvis lives…

    Perhaps if he saw a day before Disney’s Ali Baba and 40 Thieves perhaps he would also said that “You can’t believe what’s going on in Bagdad yesterday.” He is really pathetic.

    Well, I don’t really disagree too much, but I don’t think the “last night in Sweden” remark came from watching Fox News. I think it was a talking point inserted into his speech by his handlers. The tweet the next day, he says he was talking about some bullshit show he saw on Fox. But how do we know he even watched the show? It was just a post facto explanation of the “last night in Sweden” thing that doesn’t make a lot of sense.

    Anyway, a U.S. President lecturing Sweden about how crime-ridden their country is, that’s a total joke, of course. I mean, any cursory look comparing the crime statistics in the U.S. with Sweden, it’s just ridiculous. Sweden has very low rates of violent crime. The whole idea that Sweden is suffering some incredible crime wave because of the immigrants they’ve taken in seems to be just fake news. Or the notion that a working class suburb of Stockholm, like Rinkeby is, that this is a high crime area by U.S. standards, that seems to be ludicrous.

    But, anyway, the Rinkeby riots seem to be a synthetic event of some sort. Maybe something organic really did happen, but you cannot find any footage of anybody rioting.

    And now there is a new thing with a truck in Stockholm! Not much is known yet, but it’s bound to be a synthetic event of some sort.

    The thing is that they’ve been targeting Sweden with all this synthetic narrative for some time now, and for me, this business of Trump mentioning all the problems in Sweden is part of it. Somebody inserted it into his speech. It’s a funny thing because, really, let’s face it, Sweden is a country where nothing much ever really happens. The place is boring! It’s a very prosperous, boring place. So, if you step back and look at it objectively, it stands to reason that if you really want something to happen in Sweden, you pretty much have to make it happen yourself.

    Or, if you control the media, you just say it happened, and then it effectively did!

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  138. @Jonathan Revusky

    I look Fred Reed’s article as being kind of tongue in cheek to some extent
     
    Well, frankly, that's just symptomatic of what I was talking about, this willingness of some people to bend over backwards to find some generous interpretation of this.

    When somebody writes an article like that, he is signalling that he is a whore and a sellout. Trying to explain it away is basically sucker behavior. This is a war of sorts and the most minimal thing in a war is to recognize who is on your side and who is not. That's why I'm still more or less nice to you, utu, because, despite some of your glaring faults, I still think you're basically on the right side. The problem is that I am increasingly aware that you have some pretty major blind spots.

    I am also easy on him because there are real crazies out there among conspiracy theorists.
     
    Well, frankly, you're now just engaging in pure obtuseness. The absolutely central issue with 9/11 is that the government story is simply physically impossible. That is where all the serious presentations on the issue begin -- like ae91truth and David Ray Griffin etc. In fact, that's where most of them end as well. They basically just say the official story cannot possibly be true so there is a need for a new investigation and they don't go further than that. They center around the key issues, such as: symmetrical free-fall collapse of building 7 and that it was reported before it happened and plenty of other problems.

    Anybody who knows anything about the topic knows the above, so let's say somebody is representing that the real issue is that there are people putting up videos on youtube saying that Elvis is still alive, or extraterrestrials built the pyramids or the earth is flat. Well, there are two possibilities. The person is a complete idiot or engaging in self-delusion. OR the person is deliberately blowing smoke for whatever reasons.

    Now, it's true that some people are just horrendously stupid. For example, take this idiot here who thinks it's so important to correct this Alden scumbag regarding his misstatement about who/whom. "Oh, this guy is saying incorrect things about English grammar and this is so important!" He can't see that this is just a total distraction. The important thing is to corner this Alden creature regarding all of the lies he's been telling, not to lecture it about who vs. whom. It amounts to allowing somebody who is getting cornered factually and logically in a discussion to create this ridiculous distraction.

    Movies did not start the WWII but they might start the WWIII. Do you see the difference?
     
    Well, okay, you've got a point there, but it's not terribly important. All I'm saying is that the propaganda, where they're demonizing a certain group of people, exists because it serves a certain political purpose. It's fairly obvious who it is who wants us to hate Muslims.

    I use a similar litmus test but when somebody tells he just does not want Muslims in his country I have no problem with it, however when I see that he is ideological about it then yes the litmus paper turns read.
     
    Well, there are things people say that immediately make you realize that the person lacks critical thinking skills. Like, "Obama is a socialist" or something like that. The person typically does not really know what socialism even is, and typically if somebody says something like that, you can pretty much immediately assume that the person is totally brainwashed and hardly worth talking to. Or, when this Thompson guy, in a recent article, started this business of reverently quoting Winston Churchill and saying that Churchill was a great "defender of freedom", this was a similar litmus test reading moment. You see that somebody is repeating talking points that were inserted in his head by a propaganda machine, and has never critically thought about them. So, when people start going on about Muslims and Islam, something similar clicks.

    The thing is that most of the people who would rant about Islam really are just against immigration. Like, if you asked them: "Well, so, if all of these people were Hindus instead of Muslims, you would be okay with the immigration, no?" Obviously, they are no more in favor of a million Hindus showing up than a million Muslims. So the issue is not Islam, right? But there is the Zionist propaganda machine, a branch of it, that has inserted the idea in this person's head that it has something to do with Islam.

    Muslims do not assimilate well or not at all.
     
    Well, the problem with the above statement is the self-selection bias in observation. It is precisely the ones who have not assimilated that you notice more, so.... For example, I was trying to figure out recently how many women in the West wear the full veil, the niqab. It's hard to get really hard figures, but whatever the numbers are, they're really very small. Way under 1% of the Muslim women, maybe 0.1%. The problem is that if you do run across a woman wearing that in a Western country, it does draw your attention and there is a tendency to overestimate how frequent it really is.

    As for Muslims in the West not wanting to assimilate, I note that there are plenty who are so eager to assimilate that they are willing to badmouth their own culture and religion. There are all these Uncle Tom Muslims, like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and those sorts. That's the very high profile ones, but there must be plenty of them.

    Or in a somewhat different vein, just consider this utterly pathetic Uncle Talha character. I initially thought he couldn't possibly be a real Muslim, but then finally figured he must be. He poses as this great defender of Islam, but his whole obsession is events that occurred centuries ago, but he won't just point out that all of this radical Islamic terrorism is false flags and hoaxes! Basically, people like this desire acceptance in the West so much that they are willing to go along with all these constructed blood libels against their people, like 9/11 and the rest! At least Jews don't go along with blood libels. You ever heard a Jew say: "Well, okay, some Jews do drink the blood of Christian children, but I'm a good, moderate Jew who doesn't do that kind of thing." NO, they denounce the blood libel! They say: "No, Jews don't do that and it's vicious calumny." An Uncle Talha type Muslim thinks that it is not important, only correcting misstatements about the prophet and so on, things that happened (or didn't) over a thousand years ago!

    Well, I'll close this comment here. I have some things to do, so I'll have to answer separately about the Trump and Sweden matter, which is really what we should talk about more, since that's more what the article is about.

    ” I’m still more or less nice to you, utu,”

    That I am the only one left who is still willing to have a conversation with you should’t hold back your true nature call to quarrel and antagonize. Go for it. Being a “free radical” w/o any bonds seems to be your destiny.

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  139. trump needs a workable stratergy in syria.
    a group on syrian generals need to be persuaded to oppose assad.this might include strikes on syrian military infastructure only
    overthrow assad and seize power by a mix of sunni and alawite generals
    syria needs to be seperated from the war in iraq through sunni cooperation.
    russia to get a 99 year hong kong style lease of crimea as an incentive to allow syria to move on to military rule and then civilian rule.
    criminal gangs operating in the ukraine need to be persuaded to allow for a succesful transition of the ukraine remaining united.this could be done by allowing certain leaders a slice of the agricultural sector dealing with sales to china.
    china could be persuaded to underwrite a bretton woods type project of reconstruction in syria and iraq in exchange for discounted wheat and oil prices
    a new more approachable rulership must be encouraged in saudi arabia by us and allies assisting in yemen.
    iranian mullah rule needs to be persuaded to withdraw from syria and some of iraq in exchange for a relaxation of sanctions.china and iran need to expand trade favourable to iraq and iran in exchange for long term oil supplies
    in any other arena war is good for business but war for oil will destroy both sides.there is no winning side and never will be.it is a speciality of the middle east.the zero sum game
    therefore the win win alternative is a series of fair trade deals between the americans ,russians and chinese to avoid a zero sum game by enforcement.

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    And you need to be persuaded to stop posting nonsense.
  140. @mcohen
    trump needs a workable stratergy in syria.
    a group on syrian generals need to be persuaded to oppose assad.this might include strikes on syrian military infastructure only
    overthrow assad and seize power by a mix of sunni and alawite generals
    syria needs to be seperated from the war in iraq through sunni cooperation.
    russia to get a 99 year hong kong style lease of crimea as an incentive to allow syria to move on to military rule and then civilian rule.
    criminal gangs operating in the ukraine need to be persuaded to allow for a succesful transition of the ukraine remaining united.this could be done by allowing certain leaders a slice of the agricultural sector dealing with sales to china.
    china could be persuaded to underwrite a bretton woods type project of reconstruction in syria and iraq in exchange for discounted wheat and oil prices
    a new more approachable rulership must be encouraged in saudi arabia by us and allies assisting in yemen.
    iranian mullah rule needs to be persuaded to withdraw from syria and some of iraq in exchange for a relaxation of sanctions.china and iran need to expand trade favourable to iraq and iran in exchange for long term oil supplies
    in any other arena war is good for business but war for oil will destroy both sides.there is no winning side and never will be.it is a speciality of the middle east.the zero sum game
    therefore the win win alternative is a series of fair trade deals between the americans ,russians and chinese to avoid a zero sum game by enforcement.

    And you need to be persuaded to stop posting nonsense.

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  141. @Jonathan Revusky

    I look Fred Reed’s article as being kind of tongue in cheek to some extent
     
    Well, frankly, that's just symptomatic of what I was talking about, this willingness of some people to bend over backwards to find some generous interpretation of this.

    When somebody writes an article like that, he is signalling that he is a whore and a sellout. Trying to explain it away is basically sucker behavior. This is a war of sorts and the most minimal thing in a war is to recognize who is on your side and who is not. That's why I'm still more or less nice to you, utu, because, despite some of your glaring faults, I still think you're basically on the right side. The problem is that I am increasingly aware that you have some pretty major blind spots.

    I am also easy on him because there are real crazies out there among conspiracy theorists.
     
    Well, frankly, you're now just engaging in pure obtuseness. The absolutely central issue with 9/11 is that the government story is simply physically impossible. That is where all the serious presentations on the issue begin -- like ae91truth and David Ray Griffin etc. In fact, that's where most of them end as well. They basically just say the official story cannot possibly be true so there is a need for a new investigation and they don't go further than that. They center around the key issues, such as: symmetrical free-fall collapse of building 7 and that it was reported before it happened and plenty of other problems.

    Anybody who knows anything about the topic knows the above, so let's say somebody is representing that the real issue is that there are people putting up videos on youtube saying that Elvis is still alive, or extraterrestrials built the pyramids or the earth is flat. Well, there are two possibilities. The person is a complete idiot or engaging in self-delusion. OR the person is deliberately blowing smoke for whatever reasons.

    Now, it's true that some people are just horrendously stupid. For example, take this idiot here who thinks it's so important to correct this Alden scumbag regarding his misstatement about who/whom. "Oh, this guy is saying incorrect things about English grammar and this is so important!" He can't see that this is just a total distraction. The important thing is to corner this Alden creature regarding all of the lies he's been telling, not to lecture it about who vs. whom. It amounts to allowing somebody who is getting cornered factually and logically in a discussion to create this ridiculous distraction.

    Movies did not start the WWII but they might start the WWIII. Do you see the difference?
     
    Well, okay, you've got a point there, but it's not terribly important. All I'm saying is that the propaganda, where they're demonizing a certain group of people, exists because it serves a certain political purpose. It's fairly obvious who it is who wants us to hate Muslims.

    I use a similar litmus test but when somebody tells he just does not want Muslims in his country I have no problem with it, however when I see that he is ideological about it then yes the litmus paper turns read.
     
    Well, there are things people say that immediately make you realize that the person lacks critical thinking skills. Like, "Obama is a socialist" or something like that. The person typically does not really know what socialism even is, and typically if somebody says something like that, you can pretty much immediately assume that the person is totally brainwashed and hardly worth talking to. Or, when this Thompson guy, in a recent article, started this business of reverently quoting Winston Churchill and saying that Churchill was a great "defender of freedom", this was a similar litmus test reading moment. You see that somebody is repeating talking points that were inserted in his head by a propaganda machine, and has never critically thought about them. So, when people start going on about Muslims and Islam, something similar clicks.

    The thing is that most of the people who would rant about Islam really are just against immigration. Like, if you asked them: "Well, so, if all of these people were Hindus instead of Muslims, you would be okay with the immigration, no?" Obviously, they are no more in favor of a million Hindus showing up than a million Muslims. So the issue is not Islam, right? But there is the Zionist propaganda machine, a branch of it, that has inserted the idea in this person's head that it has something to do with Islam.

    Muslims do not assimilate well or not at all.
     
    Well, the problem with the above statement is the self-selection bias in observation. It is precisely the ones who have not assimilated that you notice more, so.... For example, I was trying to figure out recently how many women in the West wear the full veil, the niqab. It's hard to get really hard figures, but whatever the numbers are, they're really very small. Way under 1% of the Muslim women, maybe 0.1%. The problem is that if you do run across a woman wearing that in a Western country, it does draw your attention and there is a tendency to overestimate how frequent it really is.

    As for Muslims in the West not wanting to assimilate, I note that there are plenty who are so eager to assimilate that they are willing to badmouth their own culture and religion. There are all these Uncle Tom Muslims, like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and those sorts. That's the very high profile ones, but there must be plenty of them.

    Or in a somewhat different vein, just consider this utterly pathetic Uncle Talha character. I initially thought he couldn't possibly be a real Muslim, but then finally figured he must be. He poses as this great defender of Islam, but his whole obsession is events that occurred centuries ago, but he won't just point out that all of this radical Islamic terrorism is false flags and hoaxes! Basically, people like this desire acceptance in the West so much that they are willing to go along with all these constructed blood libels against their people, like 9/11 and the rest! At least Jews don't go along with blood libels. You ever heard a Jew say: "Well, okay, some Jews do drink the blood of Christian children, but I'm a good, moderate Jew who doesn't do that kind of thing." NO, they denounce the blood libel! They say: "No, Jews don't do that and it's vicious calumny." An Uncle Talha type Muslim thinks that it is not important, only correcting misstatements about the prophet and so on, things that happened (or didn't) over a thousand years ago!

    Well, I'll close this comment here. I have some things to do, so I'll have to answer separately about the Trump and Sweden matter, which is really what we should talk about more, since that's more what the article is about.

    I wrote this:

    Muslims do not assimilate well or not at all. Jews also do not assimilate but are much smarter about it (1000′s years of experience developing best strategy, right?). Anyway if I were to construct a society or a country from a scratch I would not populate it with Muslims and Jews as minorities because this would be to the detriment of the majority.

    Your response:

    “Muslims do not assimilate well or not at all.”

    Well, the problem with the above statement is the self-selection bias in observation. It is precisely the ones who have not assimilated that you notice more, so…. For example, I was trying to figure out recently how many women in the West wear the full veil, the niqab. It’s hard to get really hard figures, but whatever the numbers are, they’re really very small. Way under 1% of the Muslim women, maybe 0.1%. The problem is that if you do run across a woman wearing that in a Western country, it does draw your attention and there is a tendency to overestimate how frequent it really is.

    As for Muslims in the West not wanting to assimilate, I note that there are plenty who are so eager to assimilate that they are willing to badmouth their own culture and religion. There are all these Uncle Tom Muslims, like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and those sorts. That’s the very high profile ones, but there must be plenty of them.

    Can you tell the difference between Czechs and Slovaks or between Swedes and Norwegians? Most people can’t. Still Czechs and Slovaks decided to go their own ways just like Swedes and Norwegians about 80 years earlier. And now the people who preferred not to live together with their closest cultural and ethical relatives who had common history for 100′s of years will be told by J. Revusky that if they claim that that Muslims do not assimilate well in their countries they are suffering from “the self-selection bias in observation” and thus should ignore their perceptions because Muslims certainly in long run will assimilate in Czech Republic better that Slovak ever did. You are an idiot!

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    utu.for once i have to agree with.You are an idiot !

    idiots do not assimilate well,even the useful one,s and therefore should be shipped off to idiotland,where they can all happily stroke there ids with iots.

    id is

    " According to this model of the psyche, the id is the set of trends"

    iots are

    The Internet of things (IoT) is the inter-networking of physical devices

    you posted this.....proof you are an IDIOT by posting this.....

    "I would not populate it with Muslims and Jews as minorities because this would be to the detriment of the majority. "

    yes utu this sums you up .... uncoordinated instinctual inter-networking of physical device

    otherwise known as an ..........idiotbot

    (((LOL)))
    , @Jonathan Revusky

    Can you tell the difference between Czechs and Slovaks or between Swedes and Norwegians?
     
    Well, I barely have the time or energy to get into this, but I'll try to answer briefly. I suppose the above is a rhetorical question anyway. But okay, I'll answer.

    Of course, I cannot myself tell the difference between a Czech and a Slovak. Or between a Serb and a Croat and so forth.

    Nor can I tell the difference between a Hutu and a Tutsi. Or between an Arab and a Berber. However, these things are important, yes -- to all those various people. But, again, as a general proposition, I cannot tell the difference between the Hatfields and the McCoys in some culture that I'm not part of, no, obviously not. And I very much doubt that you can.

    Okay, that's the obvious answer and you think you've scored some great debating point via this, but I don't think so.

    You see, this is actually precisely why the whole "Clash of Civilizations" (CoC) synthetic narrative that the various neocon/Zionists are putting out is such bullshit. It's based on a whole historical narrative based on some millenary clash between two monolithic entities of "Christianity" and "Islam". They're pushing this and they're also pushing a whole bunch of synthetic events that are all false flags and hoaxes anyway.

    In any case, your misconception here is that because I am opposing all of these synthetic narratives, by and large Islamophobic synthetic narratives, that therefore, I must be in favor of multiculturalism and mass immigration and all of that. That is not the case at all. In general, I am opposed to the whole Globalist/multiculturalist project of mixing everybody up in a blender and having a kind of McCulture. Or, at the very least, I am increasingly sympathetic to the ethno-nationalist viewpoint regarding this. It's normal and healthy that there is pushback against this, but the problem is the people who want to channel that pushback into something more like pure Islamophobic bigotry.

    Can't you understand this?

    Well, if you really can't understand it, the root of the problem would be that you have issues distinguishing between a factual and an ideological question. For example, for me, the question regarding the mass sexual assaults in the Cologne rail station or these latest narratives about Sweden, these are factual questions, and we have to look at these things as such.

    You seem to have the idea that if I am insistently countering all these Islamophobic synthetic narratives, even just addressing these various synthetic events (i.e. HOAXES) on a factual level, that therefore, must be ideologically in favor of mass immigration of Muslims into Europe -- à la Barbara Spectre, say. Not only is that logically fallacious, but we've been through this before, dammit. I have explained that that is not my position at all. So you should really stop arguing with me as if I am saying these things, when I am not. And, in general, you should understand from my various writing that I am actually a pretty sophisticated intellectual with various nuanced ideas about things, and just creating a stereotyped version straw-man version of what I'm saying and arguing with that is just a total waste of time.

    Look, my position is that I am opposed to all the Globalist/Neoliberal mixing everybody up project, but I also reject the CoC synthetic narrative and am very interested in getting people to see through that. In general, I am basically against mass immigration of non-Europeans to Europe, but I also oppose the neocon/Zionist Islamophobic framing of the issue.

    What these people are doing is taking the general unease that many people feel about where the whole Globalist project is going and trying to frame this using a CoC synthetic narrative as something to do with Islam.

    And now the people who preferred not to live together with their closest cultural and ethical relatives who had common history for 100′s of years will be told by J. Revusky that if they claim that that Muslims do not assimilate well in their countries they are suffering from “the self-selection bias in observation” and thus should ignore their perceptions because Muslims certainly in long run will assimilate in Czech Republic better that Slovak ever did.
     
    Well, one point I would make is that I reject the framing of the question as having to do with Islam. You could replace "Muslims" in the above rant with Hindus or Chinese or any other group and the rant makes about as much sense.

    But the problem is that, to fully break down the various narratives going on, you have to distinguish certain things. You have the CoC narrative and it's about the threat of Islam and blah blah. The whole CoC narrative is abstracting away from the whole Czech/Slovak or Serb/Croat or generically speaking Hatfield vs. McCoy issue and is talking about some conflict between Western Civilization and Islam. And that is mostly a fiction. So, yes, I would argue that Muslims can perfectly well assimilate about as well as Hindus or Chinese or anybody into a generic Western secular, hedonistic consumerist sort of culture. Or McCulture.

    However, Muslims can't go to Slovakia and become Slovaks, no. And they can't come to Catalonia and become Catalans. That is indeed borderline impossible.

    But this is the key difference between immigration into North America and Europe. In North America, by and large, you're just talking about assimilation into a sort of generic Western McCulture, and the equivalent of being a Scotsman or a Slovak or whatever doesn't really even exist. I mean, there are some Irish-Americans and so forth but all it means is that you get drunk on Saint Patrick's day and anybody can do that!

    But anyway, you're talking to me as if I am some advocate of a globalist multiculturalist project to eliminate (or at least severely dilute) all the traditional cultural identities that exist in Europe. That is not the case. All I'm saying is that we have to reject all this Islamophobic synthetic narrative.

    What you really have to understand, utu, is that you can oppose the scapegoating of Muslims and all the synthetic Islamophobic narratives without being an advocate of open borders.

    In fact, embracing synthetic narratives because you think they are ideologically useful is a very big trap to fall into probably. It's like if you're opposed to the political power of the Zionists and AIPAC and all of that and you figure it is a good idea to repeat blood libels like that Jews drink the blood of Christian children and other such silly nonsense. No, you can oppose such bullshit without being in favor of AIPAC, right? Surely, you can see that! Or can you???
  142. @utu
    I wrote this:

    Muslims do not assimilate well or not at all. Jews also do not assimilate but are much smarter about it (1000′s years of experience developing best strategy, right?). Anyway if I were to construct a society or a country from a scratch I would not populate it with Muslims and Jews as minorities because this would be to the detriment of the majority.
     
    Your response:

    "Muslims do not assimilate well or not at all."

    Well, the problem with the above statement is the self-selection bias in observation. It is precisely the ones who have not assimilated that you notice more, so…. For example, I was trying to figure out recently how many women in the West wear the full veil, the niqab. It’s hard to get really hard figures, but whatever the numbers are, they’re really very small. Way under 1% of the Muslim women, maybe 0.1%. The problem is that if you do run across a woman wearing that in a Western country, it does draw your attention and there is a tendency to overestimate how frequent it really is.

    As for Muslims in the West not wanting to assimilate, I note that there are plenty who are so eager to assimilate that they are willing to badmouth their own culture and religion. There are all these Uncle Tom Muslims, like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and those sorts. That’s the very high profile ones, but there must be plenty of them.

     

    Can you tell the difference between Czechs and Slovaks or between Swedes and Norwegians? Most people can't. Still Czechs and Slovaks decided to go their own ways just like Swedes and Norwegians about 80 years earlier. And now the people who preferred not to live together with their closest cultural and ethical relatives who had common history for 100's of years will be told by J. Revusky that if they claim that that Muslims do not assimilate well in their countries they are suffering from "the self-selection bias in observation" and thus should ignore their perceptions because Muslims certainly in long run will assimilate in Czech Republic better that Slovak ever did. You are an idiot!

    utu.for once i have to agree with.You are an idiot !

    idiots do not assimilate well,even the useful one,s and therefore should be shipped off to idiotland,where they can all happily stroke there ids with iots.

    id is

    ” According to this model of the psyche, the id is the set of trends”

    iots are

    The Internet of things (IoT) is the inter-networking of physical devices

    you posted this…..proof you are an IDIOT by posting this…..

    “I would not populate it with Muslims and Jews as minorities because this would be to the detriment of the majority. ”

    yes utu this sums you up …. uncoordinated instinctual inter-networking of physical device

    otherwise known as an ……….idiotbot

    (((LOL)))

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  143. the origins of mcohens theory of IDIOTBOT ™ ID +IOT discovered 12 minutes ago

    the combination of ID (id is the set of uncoordinated instinctual trends)

    IOT (The Internet of things (IoT) is the inter-networking of physical devices,)

    which then led to the name IDIOTBOT ™ ,a division of cambridge analytica,and a subsidiary of FAKE NEWS inc

    yes ladies and gentlemen……a breit with every fart

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Id,_ego_and_super-ego

    Id, ego, and super-ego are the three parts of the psychic apparatus defined in Sigmund Freud’s structural model of the psyche; they are the three theoretical constructs in terms of whose activity and interaction our mental life is described. According to this model of the psyche, the id is the set of uncoordinated instinctual trends

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_of_things

    The Internet of things (IoT) is the inter-networking of physical devices,

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  144. @utu
    You really believe that Trump will lead some anti-Zionist insurgency? Amazing power of projection of wishful thinking that renders you totally blind to the reality and helpless like a naked baby.

    Who knows what Trump is going to do? I’m talking about the public becoming politically active again. Alexis de Toqueville travelled in early 19th Century America , and contrasted it with the aristocracy dominated Europe that he knew.

    He was surprised by the lack of American deference to central power (which was in fact weak by design) and the ability of local American communities to sort out their own affairs on a very egalitarian basis. It was rough, but produced an incredible dynamism when it was repeated across the nation.

    Also, it’s not so difficult to get out in the street. I was in Valencia, Spain on the day of the 2004 Madrid train bombings, and remember clearly the way that the whole city stood in silence as a united community that night. I’d never seen anything like it and it sent a powerful message to the government.

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    I was in Valencia, Spain on the day of the 2004 Madrid train bombings, and remember clearly the way that the whole city stood in silence as a united community that night. I’d never seen anything like it and it sent a powerful message to the government.
     
    I myself was in Catalonia at that time and there were moments of silence and such. However, I don't think that many people realized (including me at the time) that this was a false flag event. In retrospect, given my current understanding of things, this looks pretty painfully obvious.

    There is a "conspiracy researcher" Luis del Pino who seems to have written some pretty lucid stuff about 11-M. For example: http://www.libertaddigital.com/opinion/luis-del-pino/la-derrota-de-la-conspiracion-70957/

    When I think about this event now, one thing that strikes me is the various parallels between the this operation and the various operations in France, like Bataclan etcetera. I think it would be worth analyzing the similarities, in particular, the patsy milieu that the alleged perpetrators came from.

    The other thing that is striking about the whole thing is the capacity of Spanish society to simply have a sort of collective amnesia. Of course, there were elections and the left (pseudo-left) won and the one significant result (aside from matrimonio de maricones) was getting out of Iraq. So once Spain was out of that, I guess it was forgotten by most people. Though there was still the occasional Spanish soldier coming bag from Afghanistan in a body bag.

    Any further thoughts?
  145. @Miro23
    Who knows what Trump is going to do? I'm talking about the public becoming politically active again. Alexis de Toqueville travelled in early 19th Century America , and contrasted it with the aristocracy dominated Europe that he knew.

    He was surprised by the lack of American deference to central power (which was in fact weak by design) and the ability of local American communities to sort out their own affairs on a very egalitarian basis. It was rough, but produced an incredible dynamism when it was repeated across the nation.

    Also, it's not so difficult to get out in the street. I was in Valencia, Spain on the day of the 2004 Madrid train bombings, and remember clearly the way that the whole city stood in silence as a united community that night. I'd never seen anything like it and it sent a powerful message to the government.

    I was in Valencia, Spain on the day of the 2004 Madrid train bombings, and remember clearly the way that the whole city stood in silence as a united community that night. I’d never seen anything like it and it sent a powerful message to the government.

    I myself was in Catalonia at that time and there were moments of silence and such. However, I don’t think that many people realized (including me at the time) that this was a false flag event. In retrospect, given my current understanding of things, this looks pretty painfully obvious.

    There is a “conspiracy researcher” Luis del Pino who seems to have written some pretty lucid stuff about 11-M. For example: http://www.libertaddigital.com/opinion/luis-del-pino/la-derrota-de-la-conspiracion-70957/

    When I think about this event now, one thing that strikes me is the various parallels between the this operation and the various operations in France, like Bataclan etcetera. I think it would be worth analyzing the similarities, in particular, the patsy milieu that the alleged perpetrators came from.

    The other thing that is striking about the whole thing is the capacity of Spanish society to simply have a sort of collective amnesia. Of course, there were elections and the left (pseudo-left) won and the one significant result (aside from matrimonio de maricones) was getting out of Iraq. So once Spain was out of that, I guess it was forgotten by most people. Though there was still the occasional Spanish soldier coming bag from Afghanistan in a body bag.

    Any further thoughts?

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    The point I was trying to make is that if most of the population of a city like Valencia (about 700.000 people) decide to come out on the street together on an issue that they feel strongly about, it 's a powerful social message (almost like an instant election). It was something like this that pulled down Ceausescu's dictatorship.

    Whether 11-M was a false flag or not is a different question.

    Israel has a record of running False Flags to get the West to attack supposed Arab perpetrators. They did it with Israeli's dressed as Arabs in the King David Hotel bombing, in Operation Susannah, and with the attempted sinking of the USS Liberty using unmarked aircraft and torpedo boats to trick the US into entering the 6 Day War against Egypt (with a blackmailed Johnson as a co-conspirator), and on 9/11 itself to provoke the US into invading Iraq.

    The difference that I can see between 11-M and 9/11 is that the many entry points into the 9/11 fraud are leading to it being explored and understood by many more people each year. Hence the urgency for the 9/11 planners to soon have some kind of National Emergency (war with Russia or China?) to launch another coup and reach safety in some kind of neo-con dictatorship. When the true story of 9/11 becomes common knowledge (as it will) their only chance of survival will be the absolute power in the US to arrest any "dissident".

    I can't see any real public questioning of the 11-M story and the initial reaction of the Spanish government was confusion (they said it was ETA). They only come up with Arab terrorists later. This was a big contrast to the Osama Bin Laden/Al Qaeda story that emerged fully fledged from the US government and MSM almost as the thing was happening (the BBC even managed to report the collapse of Building 7 before it happened).

  146. @utu
    I wrote this:

    Muslims do not assimilate well or not at all. Jews also do not assimilate but are much smarter about it (1000′s years of experience developing best strategy, right?). Anyway if I were to construct a society or a country from a scratch I would not populate it with Muslims and Jews as minorities because this would be to the detriment of the majority.
     
    Your response:

    "Muslims do not assimilate well or not at all."

    Well, the problem with the above statement is the self-selection bias in observation. It is precisely the ones who have not assimilated that you notice more, so…. For example, I was trying to figure out recently how many women in the West wear the full veil, the niqab. It’s hard to get really hard figures, but whatever the numbers are, they’re really very small. Way under 1% of the Muslim women, maybe 0.1%. The problem is that if you do run across a woman wearing that in a Western country, it does draw your attention and there is a tendency to overestimate how frequent it really is.

    As for Muslims in the West not wanting to assimilate, I note that there are plenty who are so eager to assimilate that they are willing to badmouth their own culture and religion. There are all these Uncle Tom Muslims, like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and those sorts. That’s the very high profile ones, but there must be plenty of them.

     

    Can you tell the difference between Czechs and Slovaks or between Swedes and Norwegians? Most people can't. Still Czechs and Slovaks decided to go their own ways just like Swedes and Norwegians about 80 years earlier. And now the people who preferred not to live together with their closest cultural and ethical relatives who had common history for 100's of years will be told by J. Revusky that if they claim that that Muslims do not assimilate well in their countries they are suffering from "the self-selection bias in observation" and thus should ignore their perceptions because Muslims certainly in long run will assimilate in Czech Republic better that Slovak ever did. You are an idiot!

    Can you tell the difference between Czechs and Slovaks or between Swedes and Norwegians?

    Well, I barely have the time or energy to get into this, but I’ll try to answer briefly. I suppose the above is a rhetorical question anyway. But okay, I’ll answer.

    Of course, I cannot myself tell the difference between a Czech and a Slovak. Or between a Serb and a Croat and so forth.

    Nor can I tell the difference between a Hutu and a Tutsi. Or between an Arab and a Berber. However, these things are important, yes — to all those various people. But, again, as a general proposition, I cannot tell the difference between the Hatfields and the McCoys in some culture that I’m not part of, no, obviously not. And I very much doubt that you can.

    Okay, that’s the obvious answer and you think you’ve scored some great debating point via this, but I don’t think so.

    You see, this is actually precisely why the whole “Clash of Civilizations” (CoC) synthetic narrative that the various neocon/Zionists are putting out is such bullshit. It’s based on a whole historical narrative based on some millenary clash between two monolithic entities of “Christianity” and “Islam”. They’re pushing this and they’re also pushing a whole bunch of synthetic events that are all false flags and hoaxes anyway.

    In any case, your misconception here is that because I am opposing all of these synthetic narratives, by and large Islamophobic synthetic narratives, that therefore, I must be in favor of multiculturalism and mass immigration and all of that. That is not the case at all. In general, I am opposed to the whole Globalist/multiculturalist project of mixing everybody up in a blender and having a kind of McCulture. Or, at the very least, I am increasingly sympathetic to the ethno-nationalist viewpoint regarding this. It’s normal and healthy that there is pushback against this, but the problem is the people who want to channel that pushback into something more like pure Islamophobic bigotry.

    Can’t you understand this?

    Well, if you really can’t understand it, the root of the problem would be that you have issues distinguishing between a factual and an ideological question. For example, for me, the question regarding the mass sexual assaults in the Cologne rail station or these latest narratives about Sweden, these are factual questions, and we have to look at these things as such.

    You seem to have the idea that if I am insistently countering all these Islamophobic synthetic narratives, even just addressing these various synthetic events (i.e. HOAXES) on a factual level, that therefore, must be ideologically in favor of mass immigration of Muslims into Europe — à la Barbara Spectre, say. Not only is that logically fallacious, but we’ve been through this before, dammit. I have explained that that is not my position at all. So you should really stop arguing with me as if I am saying these things, when I am not. And, in general, you should understand from my various writing that I am actually a pretty sophisticated intellectual with various nuanced ideas about things, and just creating a stereotyped version straw-man version of what I’m saying and arguing with that is just a total waste of time.

    Look, my position is that I am opposed to all the Globalist/Neoliberal mixing everybody up project, but I also reject the CoC synthetic narrative and am very interested in getting people to see through that. In general, I am basically against mass immigration of non-Europeans to Europe, but I also oppose the neocon/Zionist Islamophobic framing of the issue.

    What these people are doing is taking the general unease that many people feel about where the whole Globalist project is going and trying to frame this using a CoC synthetic narrative as something to do with Islam.

    And now the people who preferred not to live together with their closest cultural and ethical relatives who had common history for 100′s of years will be told by J. Revusky that if they claim that that Muslims do not assimilate well in their countries they are suffering from “the self-selection bias in observation” and thus should ignore their perceptions because Muslims certainly in long run will assimilate in Czech Republic better that Slovak ever did.

    Well, one point I would make is that I reject the framing of the question as having to do with Islam. You could replace “Muslims” in the above rant with Hindus or Chinese or any other group and the rant makes about as much sense.

    But the problem is that, to fully break down the various narratives going on, you have to distinguish certain things. You have the CoC narrative and it’s about the threat of Islam and blah blah. The whole CoC narrative is abstracting away from the whole Czech/Slovak or Serb/Croat or generically speaking Hatfield vs. McCoy issue and is talking about some conflict between Western Civilization and Islam. And that is mostly a fiction. So, yes, I would argue that Muslims can perfectly well assimilate about as well as Hindus or Chinese or anybody into a generic Western secular, hedonistic consumerist sort of culture. Or McCulture.

    However, Muslims can’t go to Slovakia and become Slovaks, no. And they can’t come to Catalonia and become Catalans. That is indeed borderline impossible.

    But this is the key difference between immigration into North America and Europe. In North America, by and large, you’re just talking about assimilation into a sort of generic Western McCulture, and the equivalent of being a Scotsman or a Slovak or whatever doesn’t really even exist. I mean, there are some Irish-Americans and so forth but all it means is that you get drunk on Saint Patrick’s day and anybody can do that!

    But anyway, you’re talking to me as if I am some advocate of a globalist multiculturalist project to eliminate (or at least severely dilute) all the traditional cultural identities that exist in Europe. That is not the case. All I’m saying is that we have to reject all this Islamophobic synthetic narrative.

    What you really have to understand, utu, is that you can oppose the scapegoating of Muslims and all the synthetic Islamophobic narratives without being an advocate of open borders.

    In fact, embracing synthetic narratives because you think they are ideologically useful is a very big trap to fall into probably. It’s like if you’re opposed to the political power of the Zionists and AIPAC and all of that and you figure it is a good idea to repeat blood libels like that Jews drink the blood of Christian children and other such silly nonsense. No, you can oppose such bullshit without being in favor of AIPAC, right? Surely, you can see that! Or can you???

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  147. @Jonathan Revusky

    I was in Valencia, Spain on the day of the 2004 Madrid train bombings, and remember clearly the way that the whole city stood in silence as a united community that night. I’d never seen anything like it and it sent a powerful message to the government.
     
    I myself was in Catalonia at that time and there were moments of silence and such. However, I don't think that many people realized (including me at the time) that this was a false flag event. In retrospect, given my current understanding of things, this looks pretty painfully obvious.

    There is a "conspiracy researcher" Luis del Pino who seems to have written some pretty lucid stuff about 11-M. For example: http://www.libertaddigital.com/opinion/luis-del-pino/la-derrota-de-la-conspiracion-70957/

    When I think about this event now, one thing that strikes me is the various parallels between the this operation and the various operations in France, like Bataclan etcetera. I think it would be worth analyzing the similarities, in particular, the patsy milieu that the alleged perpetrators came from.

    The other thing that is striking about the whole thing is the capacity of Spanish society to simply have a sort of collective amnesia. Of course, there were elections and the left (pseudo-left) won and the one significant result (aside from matrimonio de maricones) was getting out of Iraq. So once Spain was out of that, I guess it was forgotten by most people. Though there was still the occasional Spanish soldier coming bag from Afghanistan in a body bag.

    Any further thoughts?

    The point I was trying to make is that if most of the population of a city like Valencia (about 700.000 people) decide to come out on the street together on an issue that they feel strongly about, it ‘s a powerful social message (almost like an instant election). It was something like this that pulled down Ceausescu’s dictatorship.

    Whether 11-M was a false flag or not is a different question.

    Israel has a record of running False Flags to get the West to attack supposed Arab perpetrators. They did it with Israeli’s dressed as Arabs in the King David Hotel bombing, in Operation Susannah, and with the attempted sinking of the USS Liberty using unmarked aircraft and torpedo boats to trick the US into entering the 6 Day War against Egypt (with a blackmailed Johnson as a co-conspirator), and on 9/11 itself to provoke the US into invading Iraq.

    The difference that I can see between 11-M and 9/11 is that the many entry points into the 9/11 fraud are leading to it being explored and understood by many more people each year. Hence the urgency for the 9/11 planners to soon have some kind of National Emergency (war with Russia or China?) to launch another coup and reach safety in some kind of neo-con dictatorship. When the true story of 9/11 becomes common knowledge (as it will) their only chance of survival will be the absolute power in the US to arrest any “dissident”.

    I can’t see any real public questioning of the 11-M story and the initial reaction of the Spanish government was confusion (they said it was ETA). They only come up with Arab terrorists later. This was a big contrast to the Osama Bin Laden/Al Qaeda story that emerged fully fledged from the US government and MSM almost as the thing was happening (the BBC even managed to report the collapse of Building 7 before it happened).

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