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Amid the usual hysterics of ‘impending genocide’ and ‘brutal betrayal’, the long-expected Turkish operation in northeast Syria is rolling, and Turkish troops accompanied by their Syrian rebel allies quickly advance into the former US occupation zone east of the Euphrates River, pushing the Kurdish nationalist militias away from the border. The American soldiers withdrew from the area by the order of their Supreme Commander (save some Special Forces who came under fire but safely retreated).

The Kurds (or their advisers) excel in PR and they created a beautiful image of their girl fighter, which resonates with the paradigm of a strong Superwoman beating the hell out of male chauvinist pigs. Every second recent action movie has such a girl, carrying out the War on Man. Lefty Western feminists love them, as they loved its prototype, Israeli Sabra soldier girl. The Syrians do not share this love. They view the Kurd fighters as brutal ethnic cleansing US mercenaries.

‘One Israel is more than enough’, say the locals who are mighty pleased with the forthcoming defeat of the “New Israel”, the Kurdish entity of ‘Rojava’, or ‘Syrian Kurdistan’. Its backbone, YPG fighters, had made a good try in using the civil war as an opportunity to carve out a piece of Syria for them. Their ruthless gangs flourished “under the canopy of F-18s, as the YPG has stretched across a vast swath of northeast Syria, acting as the Kurdish janissaries of America. The Kurds were engaged in their own nation-building exercise on the ruins of ISIS,’ in words of the Forbes.

President Obama, acting upon advice of his neocon advisers, had chosen them as a proxy to fight ISIS on the ground, as he removed the bulk of American soldiers out of Syria. It was a rotten advice: the Kurdish YPG was a Syrian subsidiary of a veteran Kurdish terror organization in Turkey that killed tens of thousands of Turks over forty years of activity. The Turks weren’t amused when fighters and weapons began to flow from Syria to the terrorists in Turkey.

“The YPG was given an inch and took a mile, and built huge extensions to its homeland in Syria along the Turkish border” – continued the Forbes.

However, their attempt misfired, and now they have to retreat inland. They threatened to fight the Turks tooth and claw, but their bite is not as awesome as their bark. They declare that they ‘will win, or will die‘ to a CNN lady reporter, but in reality the Kurds are good at retreating. During the previous Turkish operation in March 2018 centred at the enclave of Afrin, they promptly withdrew when facing superior force. The Kurds withdrew even faster from Kirkuk and Mosul in Iraq, in October 2017, following a similar scenario of independence claims, threats “to win or die”, American calls for restraint and European insistence that “military action must be stopped immediately”. They have no reason to fight to the death: they know they and their families can continue carry on their lives peacefully after the independence-seeking firebrands will be gone. The collapse of the nascent Kurdish entities had not been accompanied by massacres or ‘genocide’ as the prophets of doom predicted: those chimeras dispersed rather painlessly like mist at sunrise.

The Syrian patriots are ambivalent about the Turkish invasion. It’s good that the Americans have been withdrawing and their occupation zone is shrinking. It would be even better if they would all leave Syria completely, but even this partial withdrawal is a good start. It’s good that the Turks are squeezing out the ruthless gangs of Kurdish nationalists. Not only the Kurds entered into a close alliance with the United States and Israel, but they also carried out violent ethnic cleansing of the local Arab population, trying to create a “Syrian Kurdistan”. Now Syrian Arabs will be able to return to their homes.

But what if the territory liberated from Kurdish militants would become permanently occupied by Turkey and its allied Islamist militants? It is the choice between the devil and the deep blue sea. Turks say their plans are limited – to push the Kurdish fighters some 20 miles from the border, disrupt the “Syrian Kurdistan” venture, and transfer Syrian refugees from Turkey to the created strip of land. President Erdogan knows that his citizens are fed up with millions of Syrian refugees. If he doesn’t figure out how to drive them back to Syria, the Turks can drive him away – this scenario has already been rehearsed in Istanbul, where citizens voted for the opposition promising to make peace with Assad and send the Syrians back home. Erdogan says he recognises the integrity and sovereignty of Syria, and that is already big progress, but Damascus doubts his sincerity and condemns the invasion.

There is a simple way to deal with the refugee problem: let them go home, to their own towns and villages. Damascus government wants it and ready to accept them, granting amnesty and pardon for past offences. But Erdogan is not ready for that, yet. The Americans do not want to vacate their zone, for it has oil. If Assad will get it, he will be able to rebuild Syria with his own money without assistance from the West. The West wants a Syrian government poor and broke, needing money, taking loans, begging for help. That’s why they do not allow the Syrian army to enter the areas beyond the Euphrates. Syrians tried to make a move when the American troops departed, but they were warned they will be mercilessly bombed if they just try. For Syria it is too much: to fight Kurds, Turks and Americans at once.

ORDER IT NOW

The Kurds try to preserve what they can. Their supporters speak of impending “ethnic cleansing” – although until now the Kurds were the ones who carried out ethnic cleansing. The Kurds also threaten to resuscitate the defeated Islamic Caliphate by releasing tens of thousands of captured Islamist fighters. This blackmail is no bluff, but it will have to be dealt with if and when it happens.

The Europeans oppose the Turkish offensive. This is a violation of Syrian sovereignty, they say. For some reason, they did not recall Syrian sovereignty when the American troops and their Kurdish allies were deployed there. Brussels does not like the Turkish plan to move millions of Syrian refugees back to Syria in the territory freed from Kurdish militias. The EU wants Syrian war to go until Assad is gone and a neo-colonial administration comes in his stead.

Erdogan knows how to reply to Europeans. If you condemn my measures, he said, I’d unleash three and a half million refugees upon Europe. This threat does not scare Kurdish supporters in Europe: Antifa, various Jewish organisations and pro-immigrant NGOs would just welcome more diversity. But the governments know it could become very hard to stop such a wave.

Israel sides with the Kurds for they aren’t Arabs. The Kurdish entities and movements enjoyed Israeli support, received Israeli weapons and instructors, as they were supposed to create a ‘New Israel’ on the regained ground. The creation of Syrian Kurdistan, and before that – Iraqi Kurdistan, and if you were lucky – also Kurdistan in Anatolia and Iran – was always a Zionist plan. Pro-Israeli forces in Europe and America play for the Kurds, replaying their old cliché. “Why Arabs can have 22 states, and Jews/Kurds can’t?” – they ask. They demand the creation of Kurdistan under the Israeli-American protectorate, having cut it from Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq. The implementation of such a plan is fraught with ethnic cleansing and can raise a wave of refugees in the tens of millions of people, which, of course, would be ok with Israel: it does not accept refugees. As opposed to other forces, Israel would be satisfied by ruining the region. Defeat of Kurd clients and success of Erdogan, this sworn enemy of the Jewish state, is a huge blow for Israel.

What is much worse for Israel, is Trump’s intent to leave the region. There is a good chance you haven’t seen relevant tweets of the President, for the MSM doomed to surround it by the wall of silence. That is what the President said while ordering withdrawal:

“Fighting between various groups that has been going on for hundreds of years. USA should never have been in Middle East. The stupid endless wars, for us, are ending! The United States has spent EIGHT TRILLION DOLLARS fighting and policing in the Middle East. Thousands of our Great Soldiers have died or been badly wounded. Millions of people have died on the other side. GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE … IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY! Now we are slowly & carefully bringing our great soldiers & military home. Our focus is on the BIG PICTURE!”

Just for this recognition “GOING INTO THE MIDDLE EAST IS THE WORST DECISION EVER MADE … IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY” and for this promise “The stupid endless wars, for us, are ending!” Trump deserves to be re-elected and remembered as the most courageous and independent US President since Richard Nixon.

His efforts on withdrawing from the Middle East remind of Nixon’s hard struggle to leave Vietnam and to make peace with Russia and China. If he succeeds in this endeavour, he will be rewarded by the American people in 2020, as Nixon was in 1972, when he won the presidential [re-]election in the biggest landslide to date in U.S. history. Yes, eventually Nixon had been removed from power, for he was hated by the War Party and by the Jews, and since then until now the White House had been inhabited by figures subservient to the Jews and War Party. (Noam Chomsky confirmed in our private conversation that Nixon was the last president independent of the Jewish Lobby.)

Nixon’s withdrawal from Vietnam had also been accompanied by accusations of ‘betrayal’. He ‘betrayed’ the corrupted Saigon government and the South Vietnam army, they said. However, the US could not stay in Vietnam forever, or kill all enemies of Saigon in their millions just to avoid this accusation. Withdrawals are painful for the proxies and local allies, c’est la vie. Charles de Gaulle withdrew from Algeria, ‘betraying’ the colons and native loyalists. The Soviets ‘betrayed’ their Afghan protégé by withdrawing from Afghanistan. Israelis withdrew from South Lebanon after twenty years of occupation under pressure of Hezbollah armed resistance, and ‘betrayed’ their quislings. Even the Romans had to sail back home from Britain. History justified them.

People who accuse Trump of ‘betrayal’ want the US troops to stay forever in the Middle East. This is the main goal of Israel Lobby, as Thomas Friedman expounded at length. That’s why the Israelis had build Kurdish militias and advised Obama to give them the job to police Syria. Now they do not want Americans to leave. This is especially true for liberal American Jews: they want Israel to be their pet and they hate Netanyahu, who prefers Israel to be fully independent and very powerful. Netanyahu didn’t accuse Trump of betraying “gallant Kurds”, but he promised non-lethal aid to the Kurdish militias, and said that Israel can manage without anybody’s support.

Only minor media outlets paid heed to Trump’s tweets. The major ones blacked it out, and another Trump’s tweet had been removed by networks from the Web altogether, in their unfair fight against the President.

ORDER IT NOW

Russia’s position is quite fair and straightforward: all foreign troops must leave Syria unless invited by Damascus government. Kurds must accept the rule of Damascus. Stop your romance with the United States, become again faithful citizens of your homeland – Syria, and everything will work out for you fine. Last year, Kurdish militants had sent a delegation to Damascus, and discussed reconciliation – but then they did bargain too hard, demanding a very broad autonomy. They didn’t want to soften their demands, relying on American support. Now the situation has changed, and they could adjust their sights and swear loyalty to Syria.

Unlike Brussels, Moscow is sympathetic to Ankara’s motives. Of course, Turkey is not satisfied with the emergence of a terrorist Kurdish enclave on its border! Kurdish terrorists killed tens of thousands of Turkish citizens, including ethnic Kurds. Russian – Turkish relations are excellent; Erdogan talks to Putin (and to Trump) almost daily. At the same time, Russia is traditionally friendly to Kurds; in the Soviet days their nationalist leaders, hardcore Marxist to a man, studied in Moscow, and there is a big Kurd diaspora. Russia and the US joined their forces in the UN Security Council against the European proposal condemning Turkey. It appears that Trump is worried of some real or staged ‘Turkish atrocity’ he would be blamed for. Putin is worried by tens of thousands Islamists the Kurds are likely to set free.

As for the ‘big picture’, in Trump’s words, the American president wants to get out of the Middle East where the US Empire is overextended. Europeans and the Democrats want to bring their brand of ‘democracy’, while Putin seeks to establish stability, law and order in the region.

The Middle East needs reconciliation, Moscow believes. Syria’s integrity under Damascus is the key to reconciliation. In parallel, the ongoing process of constitutional reform will help to resolve differences between communities peacefully. The chances of implementing Moscow’s plans aren’t bad. One of the main instigators of the Syrian imbroglio – Saudi Arabia – had been beaten in Yemen and is no longer eager for battle; ditto Qatar and UAE. Europe is less keen on removing “bloody dictators” than it was. CIA, Jewish Lobby and Clintonite Democrats would keep Syria boiling, but mercifully they are not in full command in Washington. We may feel cautiously optimist, though many things can go wrong.

Update

Very good developments in Syria prove that there is nothing like a good slap to bring an arrogant bitch to her senses. The slap was delivered by the Turks; the Kurd militias came to their senses in no time at all. They understood that Bashar al Assad is no butcher, but their legitimate ruler and protector, and ran to Damascus for protection. They were offered it time and again, but they arrogantly and stubbornly refused. Until now, when the US troops departed, and the Turkish troops rolled in. Still, they are (wayward) children of Mother Syria, and Assad promptly accepted their plea. He is not a malicious guy, and ready to forgive and forget. The banner of Syrian Arab Republic came up to fly over northern towns of East Syria; Syrian army began its deployment taking over the American bases. President Trump was as good as his word: he continued withdrawal of his troops from the area, giving a chance for the Syrians to regain peace on their land.

Things still can go wrong; it is not clear how the Turks will react to this development. Their first wish – elimination of semi-independent Kurdish terrorist entity – had been already achieved. Assad would never allow Kurds to mount cross-border raids into Turkey. But Erdogan allies, the Syrian anti-Assad militants, could become difficult. Russian Air Force provides some possible answers. Russian diplomacy has a difficult but not impossible task. Even more reason for cautious optimism!

 

Israel Shamir can be reached at [email protected]

This article was first published at The Unz Review

 
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  1. Anonymous[364] • Disclaimer says:

    Kurds are big time Communists, proper Reds. I find it bizarre how many Western right wings hate Communism yet actively support the Kurds and regard them as the most wonderful people in the world.

    I am starting to think that Communists are smarter than right wingers and a lot better at propaganda. I suspect that Communism will eventually prevail over right wing Nationalism.

    • Replies: @fitzjames
  2. Svevlad says:

    Kurds are the Albanians of Anatolia. A recently-unified ethnicity, in the past only reputed for banditry and being bashi-bazouks, most infamously in the Armenian-Assyrian genocides. Then they go kvetch that they’re discriminated against, which is what they fully deserve

  3. skeptic23 says:

    very nice analysis and commentary, perhaps a little optimistic I don’t see Empire necessarily giving up that easily many Israelis and some Saudis may perceive existential threat.

    • Agree: Hail
    • Replies: @Mikhail
  4. Erdogan’s threat to send millions of Muslims to Europe only works because the Europeans are too stupid to protect their borders.

    Set up some razor wire and lots of signs saying any attempt to penetrate the border will be met with lethal force. Then make good on that threat should any be stupid enough to test the warning. The US could do the same on the southern border, but again are too stupid to do what will work.

    Thereafter, tell all the Muslims to leave Europe or be forcibly removed. Bulldoze their mosques or turn them into something useful instead of indoctrination centers for low IQ believers in nonsense.

    • Agree: Assad al-islam, Alfred
    • Replies: @barr
    , @anonymous
    , @anonymous
  5. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:

    Humanitarian gesture to Israeli patients needing organs . we shouldn’t forget the selfless altruistic sacrifice of the faceless people victimized by men with cherubic smiling faces holding Syrian babies —


    The Hadassah Medical Organization completed the past year with a record number of transplants in its Transplantation Unit, one of the largest and most active in Israel.
    “In 2017, the transplantation team performed 22 liver transplants, 100 percent more than in the previous year, and 44 kidney transplants, an increase of 95 percent as compared to the previous year,” reports Prof. Hadar Merhav, Director of the Transplantation Unit. “Although these numbers placed Hadassah at the forefront of Israeli hospitals,” Prof. Merhav emphasizes, “it is not only the high numbers that matter. The success rates are also among the highest in international standards

    https://www.hadassah.org/news-stories/a-record-year-for-transplants-at-hadassah.html

    Kahane Foundation list

    Hadassah Medical Organisation in Israel as their most important partners

    Odyssea lists its funding partners as – Radcliffe Foundation (Giustra), NextFab, European Commission and the Kahane Foundation

    ROW and NextFab Foundation are sponsored by Frank Giustra – Radcliffe Foundation/Clinton Giustra Enterprise – ROW and the Ascend Collaborative are NextFab programs. NextFab partners with Odyssea, also sponsored by Giustra and the Radcliffe Foundation.
    ROW was founded in 2014 by Dave Levin and Dr. Evan Malone, Founder of NextFab and NextFab Foundation.”

    David Levin and Dr Evan Malone are the co-founder and sponsor of Hala Systems respectively.

    In August 2018, Alistair Burt MP, announced that UK AID was backing Hala Systems
    USAID, one of the primary CIA/US State Department outreach agents, is shown to be partnering Hala

    Hala works in partnership with the White Helmets to implement this technology with a special focus on Idlib province, NE Syria – “the largest Al Qaeda safe haven since 9/11” according to Brett McGurk – former Special Presidential Envoy for the Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS at the U.S. Department of State.

    https://www.mintpressnews.com/white-helmets-hala-systems-militarization-humanitarianism-syria/262115/

    • Replies: @altay
  6. barr says:
    @RoatanBill

    French President Emmanuel Macron will hold an emergency defence cabinet meeting on Sunday to discuss options regarding the Turkish offensive in northeastern Syria, the French presidency said in a statement. JPost

    This gentleman is not stupid He doesn’t want any more radicalization .But he paves the path with glittering gold to attract more possible wannabe Jihadist . He just doesn’t know how to connect A to C bypassing the B . He is a moron in French.

  7. @Svevlad

    Armenian-Assyrian genocides

    indeed the massacres of 1915 were perpetrated by Kurds, and the Kurds inherited houses and fields of Armenians. Diyarbakir was an Armenian town, now it is a Kurdish city. But in those days Kurds were considered a sort of Turks, the Mountain Turks; so they avoided being blamed for the atrocities. Now they usually do not even speak Kurdish, so they are rather ex-Kurds, like Ukrainians of Eastern Ukraine are Russian by language and culture; or the people of Provence who lost their tongue and switched to French.
    Israelis consider Kurds, including Kurdish Jews, exceedingly dumb. ‘Ana Kurdi’, “I am a Kurd” is a sort of explanation of a stupid mistake one made.

  8. Mumford says:

    I am starting to think that Communists are smarter than right wingers.

    That is perfectly obvious. Not that the left is ‘smart.’

    Also, wouldn’t it be nice if someone(s) were to see to it that Twitter ceases to exist.

  9. Article misses the most important point. When Isis took possession of Syrian oilfields, Isis did sell oil to Turkey. And there was no oil for Syrian Army, The Syrian Oil reserves eventually did run out.
    Mobility of Syrian army was severely impeded. Isis did sell oil to Turks.
    Kurds did push out ISIS with US help and they now control the Syrian oil fields. This totally enrages Turks.
    I do think that fist Iranian tanker did reach Syria, And now the second Iranian Tanker is in Suez, on its way to Syria. Soon Syrian army will be mobile again,
    I do suspect that Kurds will torch Syrian oilfields.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Assad al-islam
  10. anon[251] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    IS was selling to Turks . Turks were selling to Israel. Kurds sell oil to Israel. IS after Putin’s exposure sold oil direct to Israel.

  11. Syria Update

    Very good developments in Syria prove that there is nothing like a good slap to bring an arrogant bitch to her senses. The slap was delivered by the Turks; the Kurd militias came to their senses in no time at all. They understood that Bashar al Assad is no butcher, but their legitimate ruler and protector, and ran to Damascus for protection. They were offered it time and again, but they arrogantly and stubbornly refused. Until now, when the US troops departed, and the Turkish troops rolled in. Still, they are (wayward) children of Mother Syria, and Assad promptly accepted their plea. He is not a malicious guy, and ready to forgive and forget. The banner of Syrian Arab Republic came up to fly over northern towns of East Syria; Syrian army began its deployment taking over the American bases. President Trump was as good as his word: he continued withdrawal of his troops from the area, giving a chance for the Syrians to regain peace on their land.
    Things still can go wrong; it is not clear how the Turks will react to this development. Their first wish – elimination of semi-independent Kurdish terrorist entity – had been already achieved. Assad would never allow Kurds to mount cross-border raids into Turkey. But Erdogan allies, the Syrian anti-Assad militants, could become difficult. Russian Air Force provides some possible answers. Russian diplomacy has a difficult but not impossible task. Even more reason for cautious optimism!

  12. “Kurds are the Albanians of Anatolia”
    Can you list some Albanian facts on “similarities” between the two?

  13. NPleeze says:

    The balkanization of Syria serves one purpose, namely, to demarcate Israel’s boundaries along the Euphrates. Israel would be happy to have a vassal Kurdish state on its northeastern flank.

    When studying all of the geopolitical machinations in the ME, esp. where Israel is concerned, one must always bear in mind what exactly is the “Promised Land” – i.e. Eretz Israel. While the “Land of Israel” does not have a single unambiguous meaning, both Genesis 15:18-21 and Exodus 23:31 is consistent with Herzl’s ZioNazi vision (http://themillenniumreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/herzl_greater_israel.jpg), also encapsulated in the Yinon Plan.

    The need to grab land explains the neo-con obsession with creating chaos. They want the entire region of their “Greater Israel” to be “failed” – i.e., absent a governing authority – so they can slowly annex it like they have annexed all of Palestine, piece by piece. Since the Palestinians were never permitted to have a state, there was no organized resistance to their ethnic cleansing and land grabs. And both ethnic cleansing and land grabbing is commanded by the Jew-god, Yahweh. This also explains the refugee “crisis” – it is a start on the ethnic cleansing, except why not have the Saudi’s jihadists do it instead of the IDF?

    • Replies: @Elaine
  14. L M44 E says:
    @Israel Shamir

    Russia did populate eastern Ukraine after ww2. We brought thousands of Ukraine refugees to Ontario and USA after that war. National boundary lines were also redrawn. Eastern Germany was evacuated and Polish moved on in. as an example.

    Putin may be able to annex eastern Ukraine into Russia.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  15. Denis says:

    I am not cautiously optimistic, and I see no reason to be. The Syrian position has just become extremely dire. The Turks have a much more powerful military than Syria and have long harboured expansionistic desires towards Syria; I do not at all believe their statements that they are only trying to dislodge the Kurdish rebels. It seems clear to me that they are going to occupy chunks of northern Syria indefinitely, possibly turning the territory over to their Islamist allies.

    If that is the case, then there is no obvious way for the Syrians to dislodge them, even if they were to have the support of the Kurds. The Turks may be on strained terms with America right now, but they are not particularly friendly to Russia either, and it is perfectly conceivable that they will simply adjust course and return to America’s good graces if they feel that Russia is not amenable to their interests. If they do, then they will likely have America’s support if they choose to remain in northern Syria indefinitely. As a result of this possibility, Russia has limited means to support Syria in this conflict, since the Turks could simply spurn Russia and regain American support if they feel Russia is too demanding.

    This is a very difficult problem, and I am not certain that Syria will remain intact given that Turkey has America and Russia in a bidding war for her allegiance.

  16. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @Denis

    Excellent analysis of the harsh reality.

  17. Talha says:

    Russia and the US joined their forces in the UN Security Council against the European proposal condemning Turkey.

    Who cares what the Europeans say? What I want to know is; why isn’t Damascus bringing up a case against Turkey in the UN or through international court?

    Are they on board with this? Have they issued an official statement?

    It seems it is in the interests of Damascus to have Turkey pound the heck out of potential Kurdish separatists and then simply offer the remaining ones a chance to negotiate.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  18. @Denis

    Well said. Turkey’s main objective is to grab a chunk of land from Syria and create a buffer zone at its borders with Syria where it’s residents have to be free of Kurds. But Turkey’s challenge is the fact that she has no friendly minority to fill this new territory with non-Kurds. Turkey has 2.7M Kurds as its own citizens but will Turkey trust them to act in a good faith if they were forced to migrate into this piece of land? Doubtful.
    Turkey is going to regret its incursion since it’s going to be forced to maintain this buffer zone with its own military at a huge costs in lives and resources. Eventually Turkey’s going to have to pull back which is back to square one again!

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @NegroPantera
    , @Denis
  19. A key point is that Kurds are 15% of Turkey’s population, and those in Northern Syria and Northern Iraq are only around half the population mixed in with other groups, to include some one million Turkish speaking “Turkmen”. These were all ruled by the Turks until the French and British took this oil rich area from a weak Turkey after World War I. I suspect the Turks will never leave their reclaimed oil-rich security zone and eventually annex it, just like Israel’s annexation of the Golan.

    One might have sympathy for the Kurds, but how would the US Government react should some Mexican-American terror group declare New Mexico an independent state, and conduct violent attacks against US government offices and army bases? Mexican-Americans are almost the majority in that state, so would the US Government says okay, let them break away, or would there be a “Turkish” military reaction where each insurgent is hunted down and killed or jailed for life?

  20. renfro says:

    Although written by the semi pro Israel Martin Indyk this is a accurate accounting of the Syria war/ME situation to date. It relates the steps of the major players involved and where all actors now stand.

    So anyone who wants to have a opinion on where all things Syria (and ME)are going can use this roll out of how it progressed to the present to guesstimate it.

    Disaster in the Desert
    Why Trump’s Middle East Plan Can’t Work
    By Martin Indyk

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/middle-east/2019-10-15/disaster-desert?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_cta&utm_campaign=cta_share_buttons

    • Replies: @Assad al-islam
  21. Franz says:
    @Svevlad

    A recently-unified ethnicity, in the past only reputed for banditry

    I dunno.

    Saladin was a Kurd and a specifially good general. True he took European slaves and butchered many besides, which meets the yardstick for banditry and then some.

    It should be noted that some his enemies weren’t a whole lot better.

  22. Let’s not get carried away by what tRump tweets. The real world isn’t a reality tv show, for people with short attention spans betweens ads for their favorite junk food.

    Best to also read Philip Giraldi’s recent piece here at Unz. Trump Wants to End the “Stupid Wars”? Let’s see what he actually does http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/trump-wants-to-end-the-stupid-wars/

    zionist lobby got him elected, so I am not counting on him upsetting their “plan for the Middle East”, as another Israel (Shahak) pointed out long ago.

  23. Tom Welsh says:

    “But what if the territory liberated from Kurdish militants would become permanently occupied by Turkey and its allied Islamist militants?”

    That could not happen, as it would be contrary to international law.

    In 2014 the US government made it very clear that no part of any nation may secede from that nation without the explicit permission of that nation’s central government. (Except of course the American colonies which seceded from Great Britain; but that was different because Americans are “exceptional”).

    Mr Obama and Mr Kerry explained that the referendum in Crimea made no difference to the legal situation, nor did the fact that Crimea has been part of Russia since before the USA came into existence.

    So of course Washington could not possible accept Turkish occupation of any part of Syria without Mr Assad’s agreement. Otherwise the US government would be behaving inconsistently.

    And we know that could never happen.

  24. @Talha

    Who cares what the Europeans say? What I want to know is; why isn’t Damascus bringing up a case against Turkey in the UN or through international court?

    Because

    a) the UN are a war alliance
    b) the “international court” has what legitimization and jurisdiction? Who gave them these?
    c) Syria did already file tons of complaints at these useless international and criminal private clubs such as at the UN
    d) it is a theater at UN similar to the US politics, it is a circus for the cameras

    If there was a serious attempt to stop the war in Syria, all that has to be done is to dry up the terrorist and mercenaries’ money and arms supply, ie fix the USA, Britain, France, get rid of EU and UN.

    Question, how do you take out Black Water like mercenary and mafia structures and the banks who finance the wars and terrorists, where the UN is just a window dressing for the gullible?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @A123
  25. Ghali says:

    Eccellenmento. Allah Benedica Bashar al-Assad

  26. @Svevlad

    “Kurds are the Albanians of Anatolia.”

    Yes, in many ways this current mess looks like a replay of 98/99 Kosovo with the Kurds playing the “genocide” card in imitation of the KLA hoping to get the Americans to turn Assad into Slobodan Milosovic.

  27. onebornfree says: • Website

    Big picture:

    “War is the health of the state” . Randolph Bourne: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randolph_Bourne

    “Because they are all ultimately funded via both direct and indirect theft [taxes], and counterfeiting [via central bank monopolies], all governments are essentially, at their very cores, 100% corrupt criminal scams which cannot be “reformed”,”improved”, nor “limited” in scope, simply because of their innate criminal nature.” onebornfree

    “Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.” Albert J. Nock

    “Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure” Robert LeFevere

    Regards, onebornfree

  28. onebornfree says: • Website

    Kentucky is in Syria (and other anomalies of MSM geography) :

    Regards, onebornfree

  29. Care to explain why the Kurds are less entitled to their own state than, let’s say, the Palestinians?

  30. @Svevlad

    True. And just like the Albanians they can never win their statehood alone. A major power has to carve it out for them. Those become surogat nations that then have to steal history and create parallel histories in order to create some sort of a unifying myth. Think the Ukies, think Poland, Croatia, and the plethora of post 1912 states.

  31. @Iron Lion Zion

    ethnic cleansing is not a sound foundation for any State.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  32. TKK says:

    It’s good that the Turks are squeezing out the ruthless gangs of Kurdish nationalists.

    This specious propaganda is unbelievable. Astounding. Alarming.

    To anyone who has lived in Turkey, and Diyarbakir, and traveled in Northern Iraq (Kurdistan) your article reads like a Erdogan speech (from his lair-the largest palace in the world. No narcissistic mania there).

    Anyone who has kicked around these areas know if you can make it to a Kurdish controlled area, stability and moderation will rule the day. Safety.

    You are ham fisting and conflating Hollywood garbage troupe onto the Kurds because they have women in the military, and don’t demand the Kurdish women wear bags on their head, as the deeply unattractive Emine Erdogan must on the world stage- presenting as a dour ignorant clown and making Ataturk spin in his grave.

    The list of atrocities by the Turks against the Kurds is too long to list here. Outlawing their language and Kurdish names, forced relocation (pogroms lite), Kurds kicked out of civil service jobs en mass, villages set on fire, entire areas deprived of food, Kurdish politicians arrested and disappeared after lawful election and years and years of mass murder of the Kurds by the Turks.

    The PKK is a response to years of terrorist attacks, murder and repression by the Turks against the Kurds.

    Erdogan brooks no dissent and is a ruthless Islamist, ruling by fear and a cult of personality- nulling lawful elections when his party’s candidate loses, disappearing journalists, and lifting the torch of Turkish superiority higher than any recent Turkish PM.

    Turks believe they are a superior “race”- notwithstanding most are functionally illiterate. The Kurds desire to preserve their own language and culture would be no threat to a rational actor.

    Just as the duplicitous Bushes, Trump’s abandonment of the Kurds is disgusting and dishonorable. It makes the ME tremendously unsafe for Americans. Ask any Special Forces or MARSOC officer about the Kurds and they will tell you they fought shoulder to shoulder with bravery and loyalty.

    Do you have any instinct to base your biased opinion pieces on facts and truth? You view the world through a hatred of Israel, and connect dots that are not there.

    You are not a journalist. How slippery of you to pretend you are. How troubling to know the area and realize the scope and dimension of your deceit.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  33. @Gracchus Babeuf

    ethnic cleansing is not a sound foundation for any State.

    If that so, then Palestine has no sound foundation, as an Arab Palestine can only be established by cleansing many Israeli-Jews from their homes, may it be in the so called West-Bank or in Israel-proper.

    As for Kurdistan, I don’t see why Kurdish-dominated areas in Syria, Iraq, Turkey, etc cannot be included in a Kurdish country. It does not have to include the entire area proclaimed as Kurdistan.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @anonymous
  34. geokat62 says:
    @Monty Ahwazi

    Turkey has 2.7M Kurds as its own citizens …

    You’re out an order of magnitude on your estimate.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds_in_Turkey

  35. Kurds hate each other more than they hate Arabs, Armenians, Azeris, Turks, Yazidis, Assyrians, etc… basically they hate everyone but they hate each other most of all. And they are always willing to make deals with their external “enemies” against other Kurds. How many times have Kurd factions allied with Turkey against other Kurds? It’s eye glazing.

    Those poor little Kurds! What a mess they’ve made for everyone, including themselves, those poor little Kurds!

  36. Carlos40 says:

    If SAA and Russia move in to form a barrier between kurds and turks as it appears then that stops kurds exporting their newly captured oil /gas north as ISIS did.

    Means the end of an independent state with no revenue generating ability.

    So that will give kurds no choice but to give up the east to SAA, unless they plan to sit on the some useless oil fields in the desert for ever.

  37. Owen C. says:

    I heard that the Kurds tend to be communists. Beats me why kosher cuckservatives love them so much.

    • Replies: @Talha
  38. @Israel Shamir

    Indo-European Kurds butchered Indo-European Armenians, their racial kuth and kin, on behalf of their Muslim religious brothers, the “mongloid” Turks… Christianity and Islam both came out of the desert to destroy the peoples of greener lands. Pox upon the Middle East!

    • Replies: @anonymous
  39. Talha says:
    @Germanicus

    the UN are a war alliance

    Ok, but China and Russia are permanent members of the security council.

    Syria did already file tons of complaints at these useless international and criminal private clubs such as at the UN

    Ok, but did they file one for this Turkish assault? It seems they might be secretly on board with this one since Turkey has more capability to smash Kurdish militias. The Syrian army has been bleeding for a while now, why not let the Turks do the work?

    Peace.

  40. Talha says:
    @Owen C.

    Because the separatist Kurds are allies of Israel.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Rurik
    • Replies: @NegroPantera
  41. Chomsky thinks that tricky Dick was the last president independent of Jewish influence… hmmmm! Wasn’t Nixon, Bebe Rebozo’s boy just like “Ronnie” was Annenberg’s boy? The last and only president to be free of Jewish influence was Jimmy “the peanut farmer” Carter. Apart from his Christian evangelical love of Israel, which was no love of Jews, he helped sell the Sinai Peninsula downriver. Either Chomsky is mistaken, which he can’t be, so he must be misleading!

  42. Syria was to be destroyed along with 6 other nations under the greater Israel project by the ZUS and Israel and ZBritain created AL CIADA aka ISIS proxy mercenary terrorists , with the help of the ZUS and NATO, and the whole thing turned to shit, because Russia at the request of Syria came in and blew the whole zionist plot to hell and saved Syria.

    God bless Putin and Russia for saving Syria!

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  43. @Talha

    Ok, but China and Russia are permanent members of the security council.

    Yes, I don’t get your point.
    The Un charter defines to this day enemy states, China and Russia, as well as UK and US are the main enforcers of the enemy state clauses.

    The main purpose of a war alliance is naturally waging war. The UN are not a poeace creating organization by their charter, they continue WWII to this day.

    I simply don’t really get what you expect from a corrupt and useless war alliance, the UN? It is a private club, same as EU, which has an owner.

    Your are effectively asking to seek remedy from the source of illness. Crazy, if you ask me.
    you want to set the fox to keep the geese, really?

    The point I try to make, the UN have absolutely no jurisdiction on anything. The UN or EU should not be able to overrule national laws.I reject this internationalist madness which is rooted in masonic lodges and Jewry.

    • Replies: @lauris71
  44. skrik says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    If that so, then Israel has no sound foundation, as a Jewish Israel can only be established by cleansing many Semitic-natives from their homes, may it be in the so called West-Bank or in Palestine-proper.

    There; fixed that for you. FYI, UNGA181 never became law, they had no such right anyway [see 24.Germanicus above, say], and ‘some imagined deity promised it’ is simply risible, not to mention more than slightly sick. Then, there’s the ‘Khazar hypothesis.’ The game is almost up, as the sane world realises what criminal scams have been propagated.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  45. So the Turks are now spearheading their attack with one bunch of anti-Assad Syrian terrorists while claiming the Kurds are the terrorists. This is some mess. Who the hell isn’t a terrorist there anyway?

    All I’m concerned about is those thousands of imprisoned ISIS terrorists escaping and continuing their own most vicious brand of terrorism. And this seems most likely now if the Kurds guarding them have to withdraw and nobody wants the responsibility of keeping them jailed. I thought the whole aim of everybody’s actions in that war was to destroy ISIS. So I’d like to ask why are those ISIS terrorists still alive. Why keep them alive? And had the Kurds executed the lot of them, families and all, including the westerners among them, then what? There’d be somebody found in this world to claim it was a war crime or something? Ethnic cleansing of the pro-Caliphate Arabs and Muslims? Some have already accused the Kurds of having conducted ethnic cleansing in their areas when I thought they were trying to build democratic communities regardless of ethnicity or creed. So imagine if they had exterminated all those ISIS fighters and their families and supporters in their jails what an outcry there would have been. But …. some will live to regret that this annihilation of prisoners wasn’t done when the ISIS terrorists get back to carrying out their evil deeds, and may pay for it with their own lives. Not one of those murderous ISIS scum or their wives deserves to crawl out of captivity to threaten anyone ever again. I for one would never condemn the Kurds if they had taken no prisoners alive and killed every ISIS and his wives who fell into their hands, and would raise a pint to them down in the pub should they still do it to those in their captivity before moving out of reach of the Turks. To hell with the Caliphate and to hell with ISIS and their wives! And to hell with anyone who would condemn the Kurds should they exterminate their prisoners. Here’s hoping.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  46. @Monty Ahwazi

    There are more Kurds in Iran than Turkey and they are well managed , through terror and ethnic oppression,Just like most other non Persian ethnicities in Iran.They were slaughtered by the Persian ethnic chauvinist Mullas right after the revolution.Mahabad, Sanandaj and Karmansha are proof of those brutalities.
    What Turkey wants to do is to prevent the Kurds from establishing great Kurdistan that encompasses parts of Iraq, Syria, Iran and their own territory.
    The Kurds blew their chances again to at least gain some autonomy and make life easier for their oppressed masses. The kurdish leadership, once again foolishly, trusted the west and Israel becoming mercenaries rather than revolutionaries . The same mistake was committed in the 70,s when they allied themselves with the rotten Shah who hated them to the core. They were crushed by the Iraqi army.
    Such huge blunder by the Kurdish leadership proves the fact that the only true friends of Kurdish nation are the mountains.

    • Replies: @Monty Ahwazi
  47. A123 says:
    @Germanicus

    the UN is just a window dressing for the gullible

    You are correct.

    The U.N. should be abolished:
    — The worst human rights abusers on the planet obtain UNHRC seats.
    — War criminals in charge of UNRWA divert relief supplies to combat operations.

    If you want a disaster, involve the U.N. They have a unique ability to prolong conflicts making the situation worse for all sides. It is almost like they are bureaucrats whose only priority is keeping funding for their ‘mission’.

    As bad as it is, can you imagine how much worse the planet would be if the inherently corrupt, unelected elites of the UN/NWO had real power?

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  48. @skrik

    The legal right for Israel does not stem from UNGA181, which just like you said, did not become a law, and therefore is no more than a nice piece of history.

    The legal right of Jews to the Land of Israel stems from the ‘Mandate for Palestine’ given to the UK by the League of Nations. The Mandate tasked the UK to establish a Jewish National Home in the territory and called for a close settlement of Jews.
    This right was later passed on to the Jewish people themselves by the power article 80 of the UN charter. The UN is the inheritor of the League of Nations.

    Palestinian Arabs were cleansed because they, along with their Arab brethren posed a war of cleansing by themselves and actually began the destruction of Jewish settlements years before 47/48, starting with the decimation of the ancient Jewish settlement in Hebron in 1929.

    This wish to cleanse Jews off the Land of Israel still lives in the heart of Palestinian nationalists and don’t seem to let go of this desire until this very day, therefore their “sound foundation” to establish an Arab Palestine is put to question.

    Khazar hypothesis is a good bed-time story for Jew-haters, but no more than that.

    • Replies: @skrik
    , @Assad al-islam
  49. @Talha

    That is a pretty cheap shot. The Kurds have been oppressed , dispossessed and ethnically cleansed by the Persians and Turks and to some extent by the Arabs leaving them no choice but to resist their oppressors.
    Not all Kurds are separatists as you appear to suggest . They simply want to be treated equally and as Kurds and not have any ethnicity be imposed upon them as it is the case in Iran and turkey where their Kurdish ethnicity is not even recognized. The brutal Persian racist Mullas butchered the kurds by thousands and have turned Kurdistan into an ethnic ghetto but not a whimper from those who accuse the Kurds of being separatists.
    I am not a fan of great Kurdistan but the right of Kurdish people must be respected and the ethnic oppression and denial of their rights by cruel governments needs to come to an end.

    • Replies: @Talha
  50. @Commentator Mike

    Why can’t we have a gofundme to pay for someone to go down there an execute all those captive ISIS and their wives? They’d be doing humanity a favour. Strictly summary. No trial no error.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  51. Talha says:
    @NegroPantera

    Look, I actually agree with you that Kurds have often been given a raw deal – especially things like suppression of their language and such in Turkey.
    I do not however think the solution is to further fracture the Middle East, but rather reform the countries where they reside to be more accountable and accommodating to them so they feel less of a reason to want separation.

    I was just making the link for why Israel-supporting conservatives like them so much. As if they care about poor and oppressed people; ask them about Yemen.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @anayinami
  52. @A123

    As Ben Gurion said, the UN are a jewish idea.
    The precursor spectacularly failed, the Leage of Nations, which had btw this logo…

    A pentagon with a pentagram in the center.

    The UN logo is also deeply masonic with its 33 sector grid. However, UN control ends at coast of Antarctica, this continent is also not included on their logo.
    The UN are a criminal Talmud inspired debating club, democratic in nature, who get nothing done by design, just like the rotten and corrupt democracies on national level.

    Quite entertaining and amusing tbh, to have some common ground with a holocaustian Hasbarist. Anyway, I know why you started to dislike the UN, despite its jewish nature.
    Conflict of interests between nationalist and internationalist Jews, yep? The UN has outlived its usefulness and becomes more and more an obstacle, it is competing with the Jerusalem based intended world government.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @A123
  53. @Talha

    I was just making the link for why Israel-supporting conservatives like them so much. As if they care about poor and oppressed people; ask them about Yemen.

    What “conservatives”? Are you talking about the Trotskists aka NeoCons?

    The problem with the Kurds is the same as with the Palestinians, their leadership is corrupt and almost foolish. Especially the Kurds have been the pet toy of many powers throughout history, and they always ended up making a deal with the devil and got betreayed by their imagined protectors.

    The modern Kurds suffer from a split between 2 major factions, one being the useful idiots of the Israelis and US, the other is more friendly with Iran. Kurds are Iranian people afaik.
    The other problem is that terrorist organizations like the PKK are marxist, leninist and maoist in orientation, used to destroy societies from within.

    The booha about the Kurds is in reality about this

    Kurds serving as beach head to attack Iran, and to keep the Turks with their huge army in check and busy, because Sultan Erdogan is too independent from the mafia.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Assad al-islam
    , @Cato
  54. Agree, the zio-cons only care about Israel, and supported the mideast wars that have killed millions for Israels greater Israel agenda and Yemen is just one of the countries that have been destroyed by the unholy trinity ie the ZUS and Israel and ZBritain and their terrorist mercenaries AL CIADA and ISIS.

  55. skrik says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    The legal right of Jews to the Land of Israel stems from the ‘Mandate for Palestine’ given to the UK by the League of Nations. The Mandate tasked the UK to establish a Jewish National Home in the territory and called for a close settlement of Jews.
    This right was later passed on to the Jewish people themselves by the power article 80 of the UN charter. The UN is the inheritor of the League of Nations

    Proof, please; reputable, checkable citations – I’ve never heard of any such. It is my understanding that the only thing relating the UK [not the UN, not the League of Nations] to the rogue-state illegally occupying Palestine was the Balfour declaration, which had/has no legal standing.

    The League of Nations ‘Mandate for Palestine’ was to prepare Palestine for independence, *not* Jewish occupation.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Iron Lion Zion
  56. @NegroPantera

    You’re wrong about the Iranian Kurds. The Kurds in Iran are patriots and Iranian first before being Kurds just like many other ethnicities who making up the population of Iran.
    The Kurds in Iraq, Syria and Turkey have been weak politically with a bunch of corrupt leaders for the past 70 or longer years. The region with its very weak Arabs the west planted a shitty state there about 70 years ago and hence the big problems ensued. The people in the region are much smarter today than ever and they will never allow another separate state to be established by the Kurds in Levant area. Bottom line is that the Kurds should begin assimilating in their respective state and get more involved politically in their respective countries. It is time for them to wake up that their strategy has not worked for the past 7-10 decades and they should start moving on another path!

    • Replies: @NegroPantera
  57. fitzjames says:
    @Anonymous

    Kurdish fighters of the PKK follow an evolving type of socialism/communism probably more anarcho syndicalist these days following the writings of Abdullah Ocalan and his move towards more anarchist ideas.

    You should not always equate Communism with the American propagandist version so beloved of the neo cons. Stalin, Lenin were not communists and the Soviet Union despite its name was neither soviet nor socialist (the workers did not control the means of production, the state did. So by definiton this was not communism)

    The Soviets were highly democratic councils of the people and were very succesful for a couple of years until Lenin and the Bolsheviks destroyed them as they were perceived as a threat. Yes, they kept the name ‘Communist’ and ‘Soviet’ because such had names had a lot of kudos even in the west when workers internationally were inspired by the communist/socialist/soviet progressive vision in action.

    The so called (Russian backed) ‘communists’ in Spain destroyed the similarly popular and very succesfull Anarchist movements in Catalonia in the Spanish Civil War of the 1930’s.

  58. A123 says:
    @Germanicus

    Quite entertaining and amusing tbh, to have some common ground with a holocaustian Hasbarist. Anyway, I know why you started to dislike the UN, despite its jewish nature.

    It is indeed entertaining to have similar views with a genocidal Jihadist.

    Regardless of it origin, Christians and Jews are now systematically excluded unless they are dhimmi submissives. The only thing the U.N. currently supports is ethnic cleansing of infidels from lands that Islam wishes to steal.

    The “Great Replacement” of Christians and Jews in Europe is going to result in WW III if it is not stopped soon. And, the UN/NWO is all about expanding the Muslim Invasion.

    PEACE 😇

  59. @Denis

    Syria will remain intact and the 3.5 million syrian refugees in Turkey will return to Syria. These refugees are what Edrogan is threatening the EU with. Once Assad agrees to absorb them the Turks will cease advancing.
    The Kurds are like the Basques, Kashmirs and others. People with land, history and geography but used as pawns by all.
    This ‘Regime Change’ was instigated by the Israelis to put in place the “Ye Olde Oded Yinon Plan”. This has failed and the Cabal or the International Mafia will try again and again. Worry not, there is more to come.

    If I’m proved wrong, then the Lord is not a shoving leopard.

  60. Talha says:
    @Germanicus

    What “conservatives”?

    As I said: Israel-supporting conservatives.

    their leadership is corrupt and almost foolish

    Sure, agree here.

    Kurds are Iranian people afaik.

    Well, they are certainly part of the “Persianate” world.

    Kurds serving as beach head to attack Iran, and to keep the Turks with their huge army in check and busy, because Sultan Erdogan is too independent from the mafia.

    Agree here too, and they just got the rug pulled out from under them it seems and got left out to dry.

    Peace.

  61. @renfro

    Disaster in the Desert
    Why Trump’s Middle East Plan Can’t Work
    By Martin Indyk

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/middle-east/2019-10-15/disaster-desert?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_cta&utm_campaign=cta_share_buttons

    Salam Brother,

    Thanks for posting the above excellent article by Martin Indyk, a wolf in the clothings of sheep. According to Palestinians the world and especially the USA is deciding how to divide the Pizza between Israel and Palestine, while at the same time Israel is devouring the Pizza. Martin Indyk was one of those who was supposedly overseeing on USA behalf’s the Pizza division, while at the same time allowing Isreal to devour it. He still wants the negotiations to continue until the last slice and/or piece is devoured by Israel.

    President Trump told Netanyahu the very first day, he will will support One State solution or Two States solution, the choice is for Netanyahu to make. Each and every Prime Minister of Isreal had opted for Greater Israel under the deceptive disguise of negotiations to divide the Pizza.

    God bless Trump, God bless the young Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salam, God bless Iran and the God bless Arab’s wise leaders, who have now exposed Netanyahu. And, kudos to President Trump for packing his bags to leave ME. Israel can fight their own wars to achieve Greater Israel!

    Rejoice brother as good times are ahead….

  62. A123 says:
    @skrik

    Binding international law divided the Palestinian Mandate in the 1920’s.

    The U.N. Acted illegally in the 1940’s when it stole Jewish lands and gave them to non-native Muslims. The region is still suffering today because of that criminal act by the Islamic compliant U.N.

    PEACE 😇

    • Replies: @anon
  63. @Germanicus

    The problem with the Kurds is the same as with the Palestinians, their leadership is corrupt and almost foolish. Especially the Kurds have been the pet toy of many powers throughout history, and they always ended up making a deal with the devil and got betreayed by their imagined protectors.

    Unfortunately, you are underestimating both Palestinians and Kurds. The hasbara lingo is well recognized.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  64. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Article misses the most important point. When Isis took possession of Syrian oilfields, Isis did sell oil to Turkey. And there was no oil for Syrian Army, The Syrian Oil reserves eventually did run out.

    ISIS Caliph (Leader) was a genuine Caliph according to Islamic Rules. He exposed the dark and ugly face of Islam, and especially the Caliphate System.

    After Baghdadi, Muslims no longer yearn for One Caliph to rule them all….

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @anonymous
  65. @israel shamir

    Very good developments in Syria prove that there is nothing like a good slap to bring an arrogant bitch to her senses. The slap was delivered by the Turks; the Kurd militias came to their senses in no time at all. They understood that Bashar al Assad is no butcher, but their legitimate ruler and protector, and ran to Damascus for protection. They were offered it time and again, but they arrogantly and stubbornly refused. Until now, when the US troops departed, and the Turkish troops rolled in. Still, they are (wayward) children of Mother Syria, and Assad promptly accepted their plea. He is not a malicious guy, and ready to forgive and forget. The banner of Syrian Arab Republic came up to fly over northern towns of East Syria; Syrian army began its deployment taking over the American bases. President Trump was as good as his word: he continued withdrawal of his troops from the area, giving a chance for the Syrians to regain peace on their land.
    Things still can go wrong; it is not clear how the Turks will react to this development.

    Kudos to Trump for packing his bags and leaving ME.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  66. @Monty Ahwazi

    Here is the big problem and that is the so called “assimilation” which basically is a fraudulent forced ethnic conversion where one ethnic group has to forgo their identity and assume one forced or correctly said shoved down their throats.
    From your comment i can smell your chauvinistic attitude towards non Persians and inparticular Kurds and Arabs . I know very well there is sizable Arab population in Iran as well and surprisingly they are called AHWAZIS.

    I wholeheartedly agree with your suggestion that the so called great Kurdistan is nothing but a colonial / imperialist plan designed to divide and conquer and further push the region into permanent chaos on behalf of Israel and Zionism. I know that well.

    My beef is with ethno chauvinism that is rampant in countries like Iran and turkey and to some extent Arab middle east. That must come to an end

    The Kurds and for that matter all oppressed ethnic minorities will not stop vying for self rule as long as their ethnic oppression and gutting of their culture , land and language continue . As people they have every right to resist those who want to force them through ethnic conversion to destroy their identity .

    A great example of such disaster is the forced Persinisation of ethnic minorities for the last 100 years by the ruthless Palawi regime and the gutter racist Mullas . Notice that it has backfired badly and The violent reaction by the Baluchis , Arabs and kurds and the defeat of forced Persianisation is proof of that.

    The only way to avoid ethnic strife and more bloodshed , as currently the is the case with the Kurds , is to respect the dignity, human rights , culture and languages of those people and offer them equality under the rule of democratic constitutional laws.
    The Kurds are not going to give up their weapons nor their aspirations for self rule as long as the ethnic oppression of their people continues.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @anonymous
  67. @skrik

    Proof, please; reputable, checkable citations – I’ve never heard of any such.

    Ok.

    https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/palmanda.asp

    About a Jewish National Home.

    ART. 2.
    The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

    About a close Jewish settlement.

    ART. 6.
    The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

    • Replies: @Anon
  68. renfro says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    The Kurds have always been a scattered group…having different “providences” …first in Iran.
    They were not ‘uprooted’ out of a state of their own.

    The Palestines have , otoh been a unified people residing in the same land for 9000 years.

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  69. @Iron Lion Zion

    Care to explain why the Kurds are less entitled to their own state than, let’s say, the Palestinians?

    Palestinians don’t need a State. They already have a State which is stolen and occupied by Israel. No Nation or bunch of Nations (thugs) have a right to take my home and give it to somebody else.

    Kudos to Trump for packing his bags and leaving ME, allowing Netanyahu to achieve his dreams of Greater Israel.

    Alas, neither Netanyahu, Israelis and/or Jews are happy for Trump to wash his hands off the ME.

    Wonder WHY!

    Obama once called Netanyahu, “Chicken Shit”. Let us see what Chicken Shit can accomplish by his own.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Iron Lion Zion
  70. renfro says:
    @NegroPantera

    The Kurds are not going to give up their weapons nor their aspirations for self rule as long as the ethnic oppression of their people continues

    No one is going to carve out a state from parts of other states for the Kurds. …..there will not be yet another ‘ethnic’ or victimhood state in the ME.
    The Kurds have had autonomous regions within Iraq and Iran….they should settle for that
    As dumb as many world leaders are I think they see what happened when the ME was carved up by Britain and France long ago.

  71. @Talha

    Ok, but did they file one for this Turkish assault? It seems they might be secretly on board with this one since Turkey has more capability to smash Kurdish militias. The Syrian army has been bleeding for a while now, why not let the Turks do the work?

    Sultan Erdoğan is a honorable man and he has no desire to pound Kurds. Also, Asad is an honorable man, who gave autonomy to Kurds to help him fight ISIS and he has no desire to pound the Kurds too. People have short memories. Assad, will keep his words to Kurds, without changing the borders of ME.

    Both Russia and USA, don’t want to pound the Kurds either….

    Despite Erdogan’s bravado, his Syrian offensive is squeezed in a US-Russian hug

    US-Russian coordination for holding back Turkey’s operation against Syria’s Kurds goes forward smoothly amid a flurry of talks.

    https://www.debka.com/despite-erdogans-bravado-his-syrian-offensive-is-squeezed-in-a-us-russian-hug/

    The Entire World beside Isreal is in cahoots to keep Kurds’s safe. The Kurds deserve their well earned aut0mony in Turkey, Syria and Iran without changing the ME borders. They the Kurds will be allowed as autonomous in their own rights.

  72. Alfred says:
    @L M44 E

    Russia did populate eastern Ukraine after ww2

    Eastern Ukraine and all the areas along the Black Sea – including Crimea – were always Russian. When the area became safe from the Turks and Tartars, cossacks and free peasants from Russia moved in. When coal was mined and industry created, more Russians moved in. These areas were almost devoid of people earlier on because they did not want to be kidnapped and sold in markets in Turkey.

    Ukrainians were peasants in the west. The Jews and Poles controlled cities like Lvov and Ukrainian-speaking peasants were kept out.

    In today’s Ukrainian parliament, all debates are in Russian. People like Poroshenko (Jewish father) and Zelensky (Jewish both parents) don’t speak Ukrainian. All the Jews in this region speak Russian. They look down on Ukrainian-speakers.

    Lenin gifted much of the east to the Ukrainian Socialist Republic. Khrushchev gifted Crimea. In due course, Ukraine will break up into its constituent pieces. The part that belonged to Imperial Russia, the Orthodox part, will go back to Russia willy-nilly. The parts that belonged to Poland, Hungary and Roumania are going back. The Galicians will end up like the Kurds.

    • Agree: Robjil
  73. renfro says:

    Just saw….

    Trump’s press interview about Turkey and Syria.
    He was actually very coherent , not combative with the press, and made a excellent case …with some history on the Kurd’s goals and situation….for why he refuses to get the US embroiled in this fight.
    Also addressed the ISI factor and how Russia and Syria could handle ISI .
    And explained Turkey’s problem with the Kurdish PPK terrorist group.

    I was impressed , for the first time ever, with his demeanor and grasp of the facts and understanding of the motives of all involved…Turkey, Kurds, Russia and Syria.

    Look at those who are pretending to cry about the Kurds when they never cried about the Syrians killed or the Yemenis killed or the Palestines killed and you will understand whats up.

    • Replies: @anon
  74. A123 says:
    @Assad al-islam

    Palestinians don’t need a State. They already have a State which is stolen and occupied by Israel. No Nation or bunch of Nations (thugs) have a right to take my home and give it to somebody else.

    You are almost right… Let us rephrase your statement…

    Palestinians don’t need a State. They already have a State which is Muslim Palestine (a.k.a. TransJordan or Jordan). No United Nations (thugs) have a right to steal Jewish Palestine lands and give them to Muslims.

    Among the great tragedies is much of this could have been avoided. Families, both Jewish and Muslim, living on the wrong side of the 1920’s international law border could have been given compensation to relocate.

    As long as non-native Islam insists on stealing Jewish land, peace is likely to be impossible. Buying out Islamic claims could work, given two things:
    -1- The money for the Islamic occupation of Jewish lands (primarily via UNRWA) needs to end.
    -2- There needs to be an honorable place for descendants of Muslim colonizers to move to.

    #1 could happen soon. While UNRWA is likely to be reauthorized, its next 3 year budget is likely to be 50% of current levels.

    #2 is much harder. Muslims routinely brutalize their fellow Muslims. Lebanon being among the worst offenders.

    PEACE 😇

  75. @Assad al-islam

    Palestinians don’t need a State.

    Strange, I am pretty sure they demand one.

    They already have a State which is stolen and occupied by Israel.

    You mean West Bank and Gaza Strip? The last internationally-recognized sovereign of these territories is the British Mandate. As I showed above, this sovereign was tasked by the LoG, and later on by the UN by the power of article 80 – to designate these territories into being a Jewish state, settled by Jews.

    The first time local Arabs gained sort of sovereignty in the territory known as ‘Palestine’ was 1993 in the Oslo Accords.

    Trump pulling out the Middle East? How you sure?
    He is pulling out of Northern-Eastern Syria .. but US got many bases in the Middle-East, and a few in Israel too.

    Netanyahu wants a “Greater Israel”? Is this why he offered by himself most of the Golan to Assad a few years ago? Not that it’s really relevant offer right now.

    • Replies: @Assad al-islam
    , @Alfred
  76. @renfro

    9000 years? Why not since the ‘big bang’ ?

    Sheesh …

    So the Palestinians written the Talmud and responsible to the killing of Jesus? lol .. could have spared the Jews 2000 years of persecution in Europe !

    • Troll: renfro
  77. @Iron Lion Zion

    Palestinian Arabs were cleansed because they, along with their Arab brethren posed a war of cleansing by themselves and actually began the destruction of Jewish settlements years before 47/48, starting with the decimation of the ancient Jewish settlement in Hebron in 1929.

    Yeah right! Lies, lies and damn lies. BTW, the 1967 war was started by Arabs too.

    Hasbaras are known for their dishonesty, lies, deceiving, changing and messaging the facts, so forth. Bullshit, Israel had Greater Israel Plan from day one and they started ethic cleanings of Palestinians from day one trying to achieve their shitty dream.

    We will see what Chicken Shit can do now, since Trump no longer has his back. The honorable Kurds are very happy of their recent status given to them, as they bravely fought ISIS. They have earned the respect of the Entire World, for doing their part and defeating ISIS. They are no longer fodders for Netanyahu….

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  78. @Iron Lion Zion

    Trump pulling out the Middle East? How you sure?
    He is pulling out of Northern-Eastern Syria .. but US got many bases in the Middle-East, and a few in Israel too.

    Netanyahu wants a “Greater Israel”? Is this why he offered by himself most of the Golan to Assad a few years ago? Not that it’s really relevant offer right now.

    The Jews understand Trump very well by now that he no longer has their backs. He gave Netanyahu choice of One State or Two States. Seems like Netanyahu didn’t choose very well.

    USA has bases all over the world. They have as many bases in the world almost equal to the times Jews have been kicked out from other countries. Is it 109 times, so far?

    These bases don’t matter, as Trump has washed his hands out of ME quagmire, and gave Netanyahu One State with Golan Heights thrown in there too.

    But unfortunately, the Jews are not happy and already bad mouthing Trump. Now, suddenly to the Jews Obama is a better President who always had the backs of Jew.

    See how happy Martin Indyk (sarcasm), by following the link posted by refno!

    • Replies: @Assad al-islam
  79. anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @A123

    I have seen this map in the Talmud . Do you have the same print?
    Oded Yinon and PNAC had the larger versions of the map. A guy by name Peter Ralph colored one of those wall maps and put for display in the convenience kiosk at 2011 AIPAC meeting .

  80. Anon[123] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    Time to burn these papers and dug the bones of those who wrote it and then deliver it to the hogs .

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  81. @Assad al-islam

    Screaming “Lies !” is not a way to run a debate.

    Can you tell exactly what did I lie about?

    Massacre of Hebronite Jews in 1929 by their Arab neighbors – fact.
    Destruction of other Jewish settlements prior to 47/48 – fact. For example, the Yemenite settlement – Kfar haShiloach – in Jerusalem.
    Arabs attacking the Jews following the UN vote of November 47 – fact.
    Arab countries joining the fight following Israeli declaration of independence in May 48 – fact.

    Arabs starting the war of 1967? That is correct. Egypt besieged the Israeli city of Eilat, through which 90% of Israeli oil was trafficked. That’s a legit casus belli.

    Also

    The honorable Kurds are very happy of their recent status given to them

    lol, don’t talk in their name.
    Why, the people of Syria were so happy with Assad prior to 2011 – they just kept on giving him 90% of the votes over and over.

  82. @Assad al-islam

    Sorry by mistake I left out the link by renfro, and spelled his name wrong too. My apologies!

    Below is what provided by renfro:

    Disaster in the Desert
    Why Trump’s Middle East Plan Can’t Work
    By Martin Indyk

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/middle-east/2019-10-15/disaster-desert?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter_cta&utm_campaign=cta_share_buttons

  83. @Anon

    Burn away. I don’t mind.

    The *legal* right is ratified by these papers but the *natural* right is ratified by history itself.

  84. Agent76 says:

    Oct 15, 2019 Syrian Exposes Media Lies About Syria Withdrawal

    A message to the American people from Syria – your media is lying to you.

  85. Blacks in US also want to have their own state!
    I am pretty sure they are entitled to it.

  86. Netanyahu didn’t accuse Trump of betraying “gallant Kurds”, but he promised non-lethal aid to the Kurdish militias, and said that Israel can manage without anybody’s support.
    ————————————————————————————————
    Really.
    Bobo is on the record, repeatedly, bragging about how the Christian Zionist (heretics) are useful idiots and how Israel will suck America dry. Now suddenly we are supposed to believe Israel can stand on its own.
    Pure Propaganda.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  87. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @renfro

    Are you speaking of the joint presser with the Italian head of state? Yes, he was excellent. These events with visiting presidents are always interesting. Trump’s belittlers are idiots.

  88. lauris71 says:
    @Germanicus

    The point I try to make, the UN have absolutely no jurisdiction on anything. The UN or EU should not be able to overrule national laws.

    The UN certainly gets a lot of criticism, sometimes justly sometimes unjustly.
    The problem is threefold:
    1) The international law is not a fixed corpus but instead a loose collection of treaties and declarations, often contradicting each other. Thus anyone can pick and choose the parts they want to apply in certain situation. But UN charter is certainly one of the most universally recognized treaties.
    2) The “XYZ cannot overrule national law” principle would make all international treaties meaningless. Thus all countries have special methods to incorporate such treaties into domestic law. Usually this is done by the ratification by parliament, in the same way as all domestic laws are adopted. Thus, unless the establishing treaty is annulled by parliament, both UN and EU (for member states) rules ARE the national law. And thus UN has jurisdiction over many things because national parliaments have given it many rights.
    3) The core of the UN was to be ultimate arbiter of war and peace. Hence the Security Council has the most authority among its organs. Unfortunately, like all bureaucracies, it has grown beyond all proportions and sticks its nose into areas it was not meant to (like women’s rights, religious freedoms, climate etc.). This greatly dilutes the authority it originally had.
    The UN is often impotent but it is not the fault but feature of its setup. No international organization can do anything against the will of major powers. But the same stands for national governments. A country can act as righteously as possible, but if one of the major powers does not like its behavior, and none of the others will support it, it has to bend. Either voluntarily or by force.
    But sometimes the UN format works. Mostly if none of the major powers has strong interest in the outcome of certain conflict between minor states. Or it can give a formal forum for major powers to make compromises between themselves (like happened during the Cold War). And because of this, the major powers still like to keep it, even if they are complaining.
    TLDR: I think UN is still useful thing but it should be pruned of all “soft” hoogabooga and let to be the arbiter of war and peace.

    • Replies: @A123
  89. renfro says:

    If this guy in Israel is the best expert they’ve got they are in big trouble. He thinks Erdogan entered Syria to kill Shiites…which makes it bad for Iran and good for Israel. lol….Erdogan will go only as far as Russia lets him…despite Erdogan’s bluster. This is so comical I wonder if it was official hasbara sent out to calm Israelis.

    Trump’s Syria Pullout: Great for Israel says Jerusalem’s Top Middle-East Expert
    https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/138416/trumps-syria-pullout-great-israel-says-jerusalems-top-middle-east-expert/

    ”Bechor then went on to explain that the balance of power between Sunni states like Turkey has been offset by Shiite powers like Iran. “But what Trump did was impose sanctions to weaken Iran, thus weakening the Shiites. However, there is no one to fight on the ground to stop those same Shiites. Then Erdogan told Trump that he is entering Syria as a Sunni power and to send thousands of Sunni soldiers inside.”

    Here is the reality as of today.

    Kurdish-Syrian Pact Scrambles Mideast Alliances
    Kurdish authorities give way to regime allied with Russia and Iran in territory cleared by U.S. coalition

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/assad-widens-grip-in-syria-after-u-s-pullback-pact-with-kurds-11571077050

    ISTANBUL—Syrian troops entered areas that have been outside their control for years on Monday, after a quickly forged pact between Kurdish forces and the Syrian government to confront a Turkish military campaign reshaped alliances in Syria.
    That pact transformed the Kurds, an erstwhile partner of the U.S. in the fight against Islamic State, into a force more closely aligned with Russia and Iran, as the U.S. began withdrawing its troops from northeastern Syria

    • Replies: @Iron Lion Zion
  90. A123 says:
    @lauris71

    2) … Thus, unless the establishing treaty is annulled by parliament, both UN and EU (for member states) rules ARE the national law.

    For the U.S., treaties cannot contravene the U.S. Constitution. Thus well crafted treaties (e.g. Trade treaties) contain their own grievance process and penalties so that they can have effect that is officially ratified. They could also be static, one-time events like the Louisiana Purchase of 1803, with no ongoing work under the treaty.

    The UN Treaty is among the most poorly crafted treaties in U.S. history. It seems to give awesome authority, yet it cannot permit the wielding of executive, legislative, or judicial authority. Those powers could not be conveyed without a Constitutional Amendment. Thus, the U.N. has effectively zero power in the U.S. as its pronouncements have no Constitutional, Legal, or Regulatory standing. There is no ratified penalty for disobeying the U.N. so the penalty is none, nada, zero, & zilch.

    In the U.S. the correct response when someone invokes a U.N. Resolution is pointing, grinning, and snickering. Probably followed by outright laughter.

    PEACE 😇

  91. @renfro

    Bechor is sticking to this narrative for a few years now and pretty persistent about that. He runs a website and a facebook page. He is interviewed by this morning show pretty often. He is also very persistent in glorifying Trump.

    • Replies: @Gracchus Babeuf
  92. Shadow says:

    So, in a nutshell, most of you here say that diversity doesn’t work? You can’t cobble together disparate groups, call it a nation and expect it to be bubble gum and blowjobs? Hmm. Sounds familiar somehow. Anyway, I was looking up a few things and came across something interesting. There’s rumors or something that the US and Third Reich Germany are still technically at war? No peace treaty was ever signed. Evidently, the Third Reich was declared illegitimate and the Second Reich was assumed to be the legitimate government. The article I read was at Rense and went on to say that the UN enemy states clause was still in effect. Anyone here know something about this?

    • Replies: @byrresheim
    , @Germanicus
  93. Avery says:
    @Israel Shamir

    {….indeed the massacres of 1915 were perpetrated by Kurds,….}

    The genocides (of Christian Armenians, Christian Assyrians, and Christian Pontic Greeks) – not, quote, ‘massacres’ – were planned, organized, and carried out by Turks.
    First by Enver, Talaat, and Jemal. Mustafa Kemal later continued what the three “Young Turks” started. Genocide of (indigenous) Christians of Asia Minor went from 1915 to 1923.

    Turks were organizers and the main perpetrators: Kurds were opportunistic mass-murderers, thieves, looters, abductors of Christian children (after murdering their parents…..). Kurds never had the brains nor the organizational skills to organize the Genocides. They still don’t have the brains nor the organizational skills to have their own country, despite being around 30-35 million strong in the region. They are their own worst enemy. They are a collection of Kurdish speaking tribes that kill each other as often as they kill their enemy-of-the-month, who may next become their ally-of-the-month. They have no concept of nationhood.

    {“and the Kurds inherited houses and fields of Armenians. Diyarbakir was an Armenian town, now it is a Kurdish city”}

    Correct.

    {” Kurds were considered a sort of Turks, the Mountain Turks; “}

    Turk governments came up with the term “Mountain Turks” to erase their identity.
    Until some years ago, speaking Kurdish was considered a crime by Turk penal code and Kurds were jailed for doing so. Turks tried for decades to erase the Kurd identity, but failed. And according to most recent census in Turkey, if current population trends continue, Kurds are projected to become majority in Turkey around 2030 or so.

    • Replies: @awry
  94. Anon[280] • Disclaimer says:

    In 1992 I met a Turkish man at Warsaw Chopin Airport who asked for directions in getting from the airport to his hotel in Warsaw. When we arrived at his hotel he requested if I could so kind as to be a translator when he went to the large department stores in Warsaw in his quest to purchase bulk women’s dresses for his store back in Turkey. I agreed to do so and accompanied him for two days going to the different department stores as he purchased in bulk dresses and made arrangements for shipment to Turkey.
    In a conversation over dinner at a restaurant he confided that he was Lieutenant in the Turkish Army.
    He went on to state that he was involved in military operations against the Kurdish Terrorists that were waging war against the Turkish government. He stated that after fire fights with the Kurdish Terrorists that often they would decapitate the heads of the dead Kurds and mount them on poles before they left the scene of the firefight to discourage other Kurds from taking part in terrorist attacks on Turks. I was shocked when he stated that this was condoned and approved by the Turkish Military.
    After dinner I informed him that I remembered that I would be unable to be of further assistance as
    I had previous commitments that day.

  95. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:

    In spite of what is stated or presented on this site or presented on the corrupt controlled mass media, the Turks and Israelis are friendly allies as they descended from the same seed of the Khazar Turkic Warrior Tribal nation that migrated from the steps of Mongolia.
    Israelis each and every day fly from Israel to Turkey to run and conduct business deals. Jews of Israel own real estate property and business in Turkey. Ata Turk was a Jew who is venerated as the father of modern Turkic nation. In fact all of the “Young Turks” were Jews that promoted the Genocide of the Armenians as the Jews lusted for the Armenians wealth and property in Turkey.

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    “O nakhodke sosuda s graffiti v Mariupole” by Eduard Ye. Kravchenko and V. K. Kul’baka was published in Russian (with an English summary) in the journal Arkheologicheskii al’manakh No. 21 (2010) on pages 386-395. This article describes Khazar-era artifacts found in the city of Mariupol in southeastern Ukraine. They include two Arabic dirhams that were used as pendants, mirror fragments, and a pot (shown on the bottom of page 389) that bears two drawn symbols: a Jewish menorah and a plus sign that’s interpreted as a Christian cross. The authors believe the potter was neither a Jew nor a Christian but was a pagan who was familiar with these other religions that were practiced in Khazaria at the time. Was the plus sign really not a tamga? Some other authors disagree with the hypothesis that that plus sign was Christian.
    In his article “Iudaizm, khristianstvo, islam v khazarskom kaganate po arkheologicheskim dannym (kratkiy obzor)” (“Judaism, Christianity, Islam on archaeological data in Khazaria”) in volume 8 (2018) of the journal Prinosi kum bulgarskata arkheologiya on pages 139-145, Valery S. Flyorov agrees that among artifacts currently unearthed it depicts a unique image of a Jewish Khazarian menorah (with 7 candles above a rhombus) “S bol’shoy doley veroyatnosti” (with a high degree of probability) (page 140). Having said that, Flyorov regards it as Jewishly inappropriate to find a menorah in a kitchen and thus believes that the pot was made by a “neophyte” (page 141). He also points out that the pot was found in a grave together with other artifacts, including a mirror, a copper chain, and two dirham coins originating from 8th-century Baghdad, and burials with objects typify paganism rather than standard Judaism (page 140). The rhombus within the menorah is also unusual and “raises questions” (pages 139). Flyorov disagrees with the idea that the pot’s “small clumsily incised oblique cross with equal bars” was inspired by Christianity (page 139).

    Tatiana Tatarinova of the University of La Verne and three of her colleagues wrote the paper “Population history of Russian medieval nomads” that delves into the autosomal DNA of the Khazars, utilizing full genome NGS sequencing of bonafide Khazar bones from medieval burials and interpreting this with reAdmix and GPS tools. Tatarinova presented it on May 30, 2019 at the conference “Centenary of Human Population Genetics” in Moscow. They concluded that the Khazars’ DNA doesn’t match the Ashkenazic Jews’ DNA. They also confirmed that the Khazars had a combination of Caucasoid and Mongoloid origins. Both of these findings match statements in the 3rd edition of The Jews of Khazaria, which was written two years earlier. In Tatarinova’s interview with PCR News’ Aleksey Torgashev, she said she studied the DNA of 9 ruling-class Khazars whose bones were provided for the research by the archaeologist Vladimir Klyutchnikov and his colleague Elena Batieva. They had been buried near the Don river from the 8th-10th centuries, sometimes alongside horses and one with a camel. She indicated that all but one of them show significant Mongoloid ancestry from southern Siberia and Central Asia, and one of those appears to be mixed with Europeans; the other one appears to have Arabian origin.

    A new book by Mikhail Zhirohov and David Nicolle, The Khazars: A Judeo-Turkish Empire on the Steppes, 7th-11th Centuries AD, was published by Osprey in January 2019. It includes photographs of artifacts and illustrations by Christa Hook and focuses on the military aspects of Khazaria including their wars with Arabs and the Rus’, their weapons such as spears, battleaxes, and swords, their helmets and armor, and their fortifications made from stone and timber. I was startled to see the Jewish symbols – including a clearly-defined menorah – on a Khazar warrior’s helmet shown in a photo in this book. If those are authentic instead of a modern forger’s etchings, this would be a very significant find. I had first seen the helmet in June of 2015 when it was brought to my attention that it was sold at auction at the Ukrainian online auction site Violity. The authors say it was “recently discovered”. But I had a suspicion about its authenticity and asked some other Khazar experts; Gennadiy Afanas’yev, Dan Shapira, and Peter Golden agree with my suspicion and believe it is a modern forgery.
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  96. Israel used the Kurds the same way she used the Christians of Lebanon: in an attempt to reduce one of her neighbors to fragmented anarchy.

    It didn’t work in Lebanon, and Israel, walked away, leaving the Christians high and dry.

    Now it didn’t work in Syria, and Israel is leaving the Kurds high and dry.

    There’s a moral here.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  97. @Assad al-islam

    Unfortunately, you are underestimating both Palestinians and Kurds. The hasbara lingo is well recognized.

    Well, I m not a Jew, I happen to have just a bad opinion on Palestinians and Kurds, which we have tons in our country, and they behave badly as guests, most of them criminals.
    In direct comparison, I prefer the Turks over Kurds in our country.
    Kurdish family clans fighting each other about drug territories.
    I would send them all home, including the Turks.

    That said, I am not anti-muslim, I like the Iranians a lot, but I dislike Islam in Europe.

  98. @Iron Lion Zion

    So at 50 cents a post, you have made a few bucks on this thread from izraeli hasbara HQ?

  99. Alfred says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    It is ultimately going to be decided by force. The Jewish occupants of Palestine will be kicked out just like the European crusaders were. Like the Pieds Noirs (largely Jewish) were kicked out of Algeria. Trying to bring in fake one-sided legalities such as the “British Mandate” is just a joke in poor taste.

    The British also controlled India for hundreds of years. Does that give them the right to dictate what Indians choose to do today?

  100. Alfred says:

    Dmitri Orlov has an excellent article that explains the similarities between the Kurds and the Ukrainians. How those ruling Ukraine by terror are in denial.

    The Art of Betrayal

  101. Mikhail says: • Website
    @skeptic23

    Then again, there’s the issue of getting war weary. Regarding what has transpired:

    https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/10/17/geopolitical-realism-utilized-by-obama-and-trump/

    Wouldn’t surprise if Putin successfully told the Saudi and UAE leaders that Assad is a reality and that it’s in the interests of the Arab League to pitch in on helping that country.

  102. anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @RoatanBill

    low IQ believers in nonsense.

    Ok, if you say so. But, consider this…

    If the following is “nonsense”;

    Say, “He is Allah, [who is] One, Allah, the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent.” Holy Quran 112

    What do you think the paganisms below qualify as? I call it, deceitful batshit pagan craziness?

    The Trinity is the teaching that the one God of all existence, consists of three divine persons: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. aka. MANGODs-worship

    Which is simply a plagiarised version of Hindooism;

    The Trimurthi is the teaching that the one God of all existence, consists of three divine persons: the Creator, the Preserver, the Destroyer.

    Or, wait, how about this hilarious pagan oxymoron?

    Eastern Orthodox theology is the theology particular to the Eastern Orthodox Church (officially the Orthodox Catholic Church). It is characterized by monotheistic Trinitarianism, belief in the Incarnation of the essentially divine Logos or only-begotten Son of God, a balancing of cataphatic theology with apophatic theology, a hermeneutic defined by a polyvalent Sacred Tradition, a concretely catholic ecclesiology, a robust theology of the person, and a principally recapitulative and therapeutic soteriology. Wiki.

    This is what the “great geniuses” of the west put their faith in! Also, being the “great humanitarians” they are, they very much like to spread their “genius,” all around the world! There are over 2bil geniuses as of now! 😀

    • Replies: @RoatanBill
  103. @anonymous

    Just a cursory glance at modern religious festivals reveals many underlying similarities that clearly have their origin in astronomical events.

    For example, Horus of Egypt was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th in a cave with the birth being announced by a star in the East and attended by three wise men. Mithra, Sungod of Persia, was born of a virgin on December 25th, and was considered a great travelling teacher and master. Krishna was born of the Virgin Devaki (The Divine One), his father was a carpenter, his birth attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and he was presented with gold, frankincense and myrrh. Prometheus of Greece descended from heaven as God incarnate, to save mankind. Prometheus was crucified, suffered, and rose from the dead. The list goes on.

    It should be noted that The Sun ‘dies’ for three days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops in its movement south, and is ‘born again’ or ‘resurrected’ on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north. In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be ‘born of a Virgin’. The sun is the ‘Light of the World’, and its rising in the morning is the ‘Saviour of mankind’. The sun’s ‘followers’ or ‘disciples’ appear to be the 12 months or the 12 signs of the zodiac (constellations), through which the sun must pass.

    It is difficult to ignore the role of the heavens in mythology and its close relative, religious symbology. It takes the really stupid to believe in this nonsense.

  104. anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @RoatanBill

    Thereafter, tell all the Muslims to leave Europe or be forcibly removed.

    And yes, the sooner you psychopathic mofers take your greedy blood-soaked hands off Islamic lands, you pagan godless scum can follow what you wish.

  105. @DESERT FOX

    Wow, so glad it’s not one big club where “they” all conspire to implement a New World Order, One World Government.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @Germanicus
  106. Talha says:

    It takes the really stupid to believe in this nonsense.

    Hmmm….you mean like…

    the Europeans are too stupid to protect their borders.

    …🤔

    Peace.

  107. @Johnny Walker Read

    I stand by what I said, Putin and Russia saved Syria and stopped the ZUS and Israel and ZBritain from their goal of destroying Syria.

    • Agree: renfro
  108. @Shadow

    The enemy state clauses till are and forever will be valid.

    Even if you speak no word of German, just compare the length of the English and the German article on Wilipedia. Quantity has a quality of its own.

  109. @Shadow

    Anyone here know something about this?

    Yes, I do, but how much do you want to know and how much should I tell you?
    For starters, look up the UN charter articles 53, 77,107, these clauses are the enemy state clauses, which target Japan and Germany.

    I can pretty well explain you the implications in relation to the German “reunification” scam, which was only a partial reunification, rendered silently null and void by the highest administrative court in occupied Germany few years later.
    We are still in a state of war, more precisely, a cease fire, no peace treaty has ever been signed, and in my view, it is about time to do that.
    The US and UK basically did a coup d’etat against the German nation state, there is atm no valid proper German government to sign it, and enforced their corporate rules, hence the enemy state clauses are still active to prevent a roll back which a peace treaty could do.
    The problem is, the US and UK don’t want to sign it with Germany, the Russians would, but of course to their conditions only, The French would perhaps too, but they are occupied as well, a vassal. Japan has afaik a peace treaty with the US, but not with Russia and China.

    This is a deep rabbit hole, are you prepared to enter it?

    You will quickly get to the US National Security Act of 1948, the missing peace treaty terminating WWI+II, and funnily the topic of “UFO”(which are fully identified craft, human made). It also explains quite well the UN#s “replacement migration” policies as a continuation of allied war efforts, and probably it raises questions about Chernobyl and Fukushima.

  110. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @DESERT FOX

    [I stand by what I said, Putin and Russia saved Syria ]

    Putin is a zionist stooge and Russia is part of the criminal west. Why don’t you read history 101
    to know what Russia has done. Putin, like Trump, is a zionist mafia member. This kind of apology for a criminal Jewish mafia member makes you IGNORANT.

    Putin did go to Syria to collect all the cards to save the interest of the Jewish mafia and the criminal west, so they can accept Russia and Putin as EQUAL partners in the circle of the criminal and terrorist West. Russia and Putin cannot be trusted for a second. ONLY fools do not see it.

    Putin is as criminal as George Bush, Tony Blair and other criminal ‘leaders’.

    Syria was saved by Syrian people, Assad, Hizbullah and Iran. The fool will soon realize how stupid they are to protect a criminal zionist like Trump, Bush or Netanyahu. He is doing ONLY for his interest to gain power and be protected by the criminal Jewish mafia, like Trump. Stop fooling yourself.

    Didn’t you read what Putin said about selling Libya?

    https://thesaker.is/president-putin-interview-with-al-arabiya-sky-news-arabia-and-rt-arabic/

    [Vladimir Putin: First of all, during the crises in Iraq and Libya, I was not in office. But this is not the main reason. The thing is that, as is commonly known, in the case of Iraq, the United States circumvented the United Nations Security Council. The US had no mandate to use force against Iraq.

    Actually, I was President at that moment. Anyway, Russia did not support the invasion. Russia, France and Germany did not support the US plans regarding Iraq. What is more, we warned about the potential adverse implications, and that is exactly what happened.

    As for Libya, the chaos wrought by the military operations still prevails, but in this case, our Western partners played a trick on us, using the vernacular term (I do not know how this will be translated). Russia voted for the corresponding Security Council resolution. ]

    Putin the Jewish mafia servant claims that Russia was deceived by the west on Libya because he didn’t want Libya be attacked by the West. Russia always acted along with criminal West against Muslim countries. This stooge like Trump is a PATHOLOGICAL liar.

    Only fools believe that Putin is not lying , and he acted reasonably by not opposing the western terrorists attack on Libya and massacre of Qaddafi.

    Russia ABSTAINED to let the criminal Zionists and imperialists destroy Libya and kill Qaddafi because Putin and Russia are part of the criminal west. Shame on Putin, the zionist liar.

    You can be a fool as long as you want, but those who know the dark history of racist Russia and zionist Putin, they reject to be taken a fool by a zionist servant.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  111. @DESERT FOX

    The capstone of this great Russia deception lies in the Judaized global technocracy agenda, which is central to the planned communistic world government. We have learned that the existing Sino-Soviet axis is now fully dedicated to the development and integration of Israeli high technology (Talpiot program, 8200). This collectivist technocracy–as outlined in such schemes as the United Nations’ Agenda 21–will be mandatory for all citizens of the planned world government.

    The Soviets have the demoralized West occupied with identity politics and Balkanization schemes, like Kalergi, while Israel, Russia, China, and the BRICS solidify their alliance through the One Belt, One Road plan and construct the coming world government techno-infrastructure smart grid. It appears Russia is leading the disintegration of the West while Israel leads the technology aspect, and China the manufacturing aspect.

    There would be no Zionist Israel if not for Bolshevik Russia. Putin is old guard KGB and is a master at “The Perestroika Deception”.

    If you care to learn more: https://zaidpub.com/2018/07/04/the-putin-deception/

  112. @Johnny Walker Read

    We implore you to rethink your position regarding Russia and its role in the reshaping of the world as we know it. If Golitsyn proves to be correct yet again, Western failure to detect and act upon this great Russian deception inevitably will result in its own demise, along with the Church as we know it. Embracing your future captors is not a good idea.

  113. @Johnny Walker Read

    I judge people by what they do, and Putin and Russia saved Syria, and spiked the Israeli and ZUS plans to destroy Syria.

    • Agree: Robjil
  114. @anonymous

    I judge people by what they do and Putin and Russia saved Syria from the Israeli and ZUS effort to destroy Syria by bombing the hell out of Syria and unleashing the hounds of hell aka AL CIADA aka ISIS on the people of Syria.

  115. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:
    @DESERT FOX

    [I judge people by what they do and Putin and Russia saved Syria from the Israeli and ZUS effort to destroy Syria by bombing the hell out of Syria ]

    You seem are taken by the Putin apologists, but you are sincere about helping Syrians or other victims. Please think, if Putin and Russia saved Syria , then why this stooge is silent and DOES NOTHING about the zionist bombing of Syria and killing Syrians and Iranians? Not even a word.

    Russia tried very hard to honor the zionist baby killer Netanyahu’s request to force who SAVED SYRIA out of Syria where Iran and Syria are allies since Iranian revolution, but ASSAD REFUSED.

    The situation in Syria is VERY complex and neither Assad nor Iran can trust Putin, but due to very difficult situation they have to ignore treason acts of the west including Russia to get out of the situation that the criminal West has created.

    Putin is even flirting with the traitor kurds, and want to change the Syrian Constitution to create a ‘federation’ in Syria where President Assad and other countries are against it and Assad repeatedly said that the integrity of Syria is NOT for SALE.

    We know that the criminal Jewish mafia wants to erect a second Israel disguised as ‘kurdistan’, and we have seen what is meant by ‘federation’ in Iraq. So people are not going to be fooled by the play is performed by Erdogan supported by both Jewish mafia servants, Trump and Putin. Erdogan could not act without green light from both Putin & Trump.

    For the people of the region neither Putin, nor Trump, long live Syria and Assad.

    The Kurds are spying for Israel since 1950s and are trained by CIA and Mossad as army of the criminal powers like ISIS.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  116. Robjil says:

    Chabbad is being monitored in Russia. Chabbad Rabbis have been evicted from Russia. The USA doesn’t do things like that, why?

    Marozov is the tenth Chabad Rabbi to have either had his visa revoked or not renewed, or to have been outright expelled from Russia. One rabbi, Tzvi Hershcovich, who was serving in the city of Stavropol was expelled for “failing to notify the government 3 days after moving to a new apartment.” Rabbi Yisroel Silberstein was forced to lead his congregation remotely, until accepting a new position in the neighboring state of Ukraine.

    Others like Rabbis Yossi Chersonsky or Zev Wagner, were unceremoniously expelled after serving as a Shluchim for over 15 years.

    The common denominator among them, and aside from being Chabad Shluchim, is that most are of American nationality and some Israeli.

    Chabbad tried to make big H denial a big crime in Russia with Roman Yushkov. It did not work.

    https://russia-insider.com/en/history/holohoax-denial-not-illegal-russia-contrary-many-news-reports/ri27711

    However, Roman Yushkov, a Russian nationalist from Perm, the law’s first test case, was tried on the grounds of “inciting ethnic hatred.” Yushkov used his VK account to attack the “conclusions” of the Nuremberg Tribunal. In particular, he rejected the “six million”claim. According to the western-financed, liberal SOVA Center, he stated on both his VK and Facebook pages, “Jews! Return the money to the Germans you stole by fraud by the “Holocaust [of the] six millions Jews!” His articles were less emotional and conformed to the basic standards of journalism long lost in the west.

    Chabbad tried to do it with three trials. They failed.

    He had no fewer than three trials. Since this sort of case has never been tried in Russia before, the trial’s procedure was chaotic. The case was brought by the Perm branch of the Chabad Hasidic sect, who had been quietly colonizing this ancient region of Old Russia. The case was brought by Vladimir Kliner, an Israeli citizen, multi-millionaire and financier of Chabad. His final acquittal came on September 6 2018. His first trial ended in an acquittal, but the second yielded a conviction, for which he was given probation, while and the third overturned that. Today, he’s a free man.

  117. @anonymous

    Agree about the Kurds, and agree about Assad, but the fact is that Putin and Russia saved Syria and Assad invited Russia in to do that very thing.

    • Replies: @anon
  118. @Johnny Walker Read

    I agree, and I watch trunews every night.

  119. @DESERT FOX

    ‘I stand by what I said, Putin and Russia saved Syria and stopped the ZUS and Israel and ZBritain from their goal of destroying Syria.’

    Be fair. It was just Israel’s goal. The rest of us ‘were only obeying orders,’ as the phrase puts it.

    It was all pretty disgusting. And this 354-60 vote in Congress means we’re going out as we came in — groveling to Israel.

  120. awry says:
    @Avery

    Allegedly the Young Turks were mostly crypto-jews, as was Mustafa Kemal.

  121. @Johnny Walker Read

    I am certainly not a fan of the masons, but your photo does not show masonic dresses, but traditional Chinese ones. Don’t try to take people for fools, there is also no lodge visible in the photo, in fact nothing masonic at all.

    Masons look like this, the Apron is a must, the lodge with the checkered floor …

    There are usually also two pillars in the lodge, Yacin and Boaz.

    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  122. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
    @DESERT FOX

    and……………..

    Russia Liberates Iran From SWIFT Blackmail, Gives Access to Alternative Banking Network
    Washington polices international transactions via the SWIFT banking network. Iran is joining Russia’s Eurasian Economic Union and will soon use its alternative to SWIFT, called SPFS. This will be a huge blow to US sanctions, as Tehran will be free to do business with banks and companies using the SPFS, completely free of Washington’s oversight.
    read:https://russia-insider.com/en/economics/russia-liberates-iran-swift-blackmail-gives-access-alternative-banking-network/ri27701

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  123. anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Assad al-islam

    ISIS Caliph (Leader) was a genuine Caliph according to Islamic Rules.

    Genuine?! Lol!

    Anything which comes out of the rotten pestilential gob of an Islamophobe is to be taken as “The Truth” (you know, along similar lines as the western originated “The Truth” of “god begetting children”!!!!)?

    This is what Islam stipulates, you pagan godless scum…

    The Sunni branch of Islam stipulates that, as a head of state, a caliph was a selected or elected position.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate

    Was Baghdadi elected? If yes, by whom? His coterie of henchmen?

    He exposed the dark and ugly face of Islam, and especially the Caliphate System.

    Lol! The fact that nobody took him for anything, except as a loser, shows the greatness of the Caliphate System, as opposed to the mob rule called Democrazy, where utter degenerates are allowed to become rulers as long as they can play the game of majority appeasement (Trump, Modi, Netanyahoo…).

    You pagan godless Islamophobe lowlifes are pathetic, as you try your losing best to counter the true monotheism of Islam… a most impossible task.

    Remember, the following is unassailable, and for your kind is an eternity in Hell. That sounds good to me.

    Say, “He is Allah, [who is] One, Allah, the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent.”

  124. anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Assad al-islam

    Muslims no longer yearn for One Caliph to rule them all….

    Muslims of now, among the multitudinous peoples of the world, have never truly yearned for a Worldwide Caliphate (living in a localised true muslim society would be a blessing for sure), because for one thing it appears to be impractical, and also because it is immaterial in my opinion.

    We true monotheists will always be ruled by submitting to the One God of all existence (no pagan partners whatsoever), His laws as forever defined in the Holy Quran, and the teachings of His beloved prophet, the blessed Muhammad SAW, the final seal of all true monotheist prophets since Adam PBUH.

    What more do we need to live our true monotheist lives?

    • Replies: @Assad al-islam
  125. kurds are good dancers, a skill they learnt while running down mountains with goat mothers chasing them. They also drink a lot of tea. Because dancing and chai go hand in hand.. Remember the kurds at normandy? after all the french rules Syria then.. You mean the kurds did not volunteer to free france?

  126. anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Assad al-islam

    Except, what the satanic Amerikaners are doing here is scrambling with their tails tangled in their diseased crotches, because the prestige of their cursed homeland is crumbling, and they can’t afford this anymore.

    It is amazing, and ironic, what a pussy the “greatest power of earth” is.

  127. anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @NegroPantera

    The only way to avoid ethnic strife and more bloodshed , as currently the is the case with the Kurds , is to respect the dignity, human rights , culture and languages of those people and offer them equality under the rule of democratic constitutional laws.

    Ok, seems honourable.

    But, those Kurds should understand that allying themselves with the JoosraHell, which is an avowed enemy of Muslims and Islam, would be a clear act of unpardonable treason. They will have to pay a heavy price for that.

  128. anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @TKK

    Ah, a jooscum writhes in agony as his evil kind’s communist lickspittle get a solid licking by the Turks.

    A pox on the lowlife joos and their kurdish bitches.

  129. anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    Your pseudonym would be more realistic as “Cowardly Hyena Zion.”

  130. anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous Snanonymous

    So what exactly did those “peoples of greener lands” have before? Who are these people, the euRapeans?

    In which case, quite likely something batshit crazy like what was pictured in Midsommar?

    Before you wish a pox on others, perhaps you should realise that it will also be your godless soul which awaits a great pox.

  131. anonymous[348] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    They’d be doing humanity a favour.

    The greatest favour to humanity would be the genocide of your kind, I mean specifically the rotten soulless scum who are on the same page as you… which would include a whole lot of whitrash, jootrash, and so on.

    Strictly summary. No trial no error.

    For eg., picture this… someone snatching that beer mug off your lowlife hands, breaking it, and using that to puncture your black worthless heart… in some cool John Wick kind of style.

    You know what I mean.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  132. Anonymous 348 would appear to be doing for Islam what AaronB does for Judaism.

  133. TomSal says:

    Turkey doesn’t fight with Kurds, never did, and never will ! Turkey is not Israel!
    Turkey fights with PKK (which is recognized as a terrorist group by both US, EU & Turkey) and its branch YPG terorrists. So your propaganda war won’t work. May be you should write about the Palestine, and Israeli massacre of Palestinians almost for the last 50 years. People shouldn’t care about these zionist media reports, they don’t care about kurds, palestinians, or any other nationality if not jewish, you are gentile, or a kind of animal basically. that’s what they believe. All this fight against Turkey going on because Turkey is the only country that fights the Israeli crimes in the region, and their sick ideology to destroy people, and grab the so called “promised lands”. that’s the fight in the middle east. everything else is a lie!

  134. @anonymous

    LOL. Well, stay out of my pub and stay in your desert. You want me to have mercy for some burka wearing walking kamikaze who’d walk into my pub and blow herself up. Get real. Now what heart have they got? They were eating people’s hearts out there in Syria if you haven’t noticed. I certainly have not committed any of the most gruesome crimes that they have over there and now what? You want them set loose to keep on doing the same some more, somewhere, sometime. You’re the one who’s lost your moral compass. To hell with you and them! OK, so you bought into their ideology. Tough. I know, it can happen to anyone. But why tell us all that here in the public domain? Keep it to yourself.

  135. Denis says:
    @Monty Ahwazi

    Eventually Turkey’s going to have to pull back which is back to square one again!

    I certainly hope so.

  136. bronek says:

    I’ve been in those regions and would like to say that you are correct. Perhaps a decent idea would be to have Donbas become independent and then, later, join Russia. The people do speak Russian. It’s amazing how the lying MSM of the US distorts all this. You’ve made good points here.

  137. anayinami says:
    @Talha

    Kurds in TR do have freedom of language in school & in civil life. Proof: Turkish Govt owned TV & Radio in Kurdish broadcast all over Turkey. https://trtkurdi.com.tr

    Unless you have lived & worked in TR or bordering countries, you do not have any idea of how & why things are the way they are.

    Reading supposed “experts” takes on situations only gives you one side of the story, usually biased.

    All FACTS should be verifiable (from ALL points of view) otherwise they’re just opinions of a particular agenda or biased narrative.

    If warmongers didn’t interfere with sovereign states, no-one would suffer.

    WAR IS A RACKET (Smedley Butler) … the first & last honest US military chief

    • Replies: @Talha
  138. Talha says:
    @anayinami

    Yes, I agree, it has gotten better over time and is not as bad as it was in the past – no doubt.

    Peace.

  139. Cato says:
    @Germanicus

    the Kurds have been the pet toy of many powers throughout history, and they always ended up making a deal with the devil and got betrayed by their imagined protectors.

    Yes, this is the tragedy of the Kurds — a tribal society of brave and able people, who have been continuously co-opted by neighbors who have organized as states. Any Scot would sympathize.

  140. altay says:
    @anon

    thank you, that’s terrific info. i ask permission to quote it somewhere else.. regards

  141. @anonymous

    This is what Islam stipulates, you pagan godless scum…

    The Sunni branch of Islam stipulates that, as a head of state, a caliph was a selected or elected position.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate

    LOL, if you are a Muslim you should know that none of the Caliphs were elected nor any king, nor any Sisi/Mubarak likes. Your kind of Muslims shamelessly believe that the Prophet failed to appoint any successor. While the body of the Prophet was still warm and not buried yet, both abu Bakr and Omar supposedly recognized the threat to Islam with no one being on the helm. So, they both left the warm body of the Prophet and went to a different town, where with 7 other people, it was decided to appoint abu Bakr as the first Caliph. When they came back the Prophet body was buried and they wanted to unearth the body for another burial with them participating in it.

    Shameless belief of yours, that the Prophet failed in his duty and it become incumbent of both his father-in-laws, abu Bakr and Omar to correct the Prophet fault. Abu Bakr became then willed the Caliph to Omar on his death. Nice reward for both of them to recognize the dangers to Islam, which the Prophet failed to do so. Omar appointed Usman as a third Caliph. These first three Caliphs burned all the Prophet’s tradition and Usman burned rest of the Qurans, beside the one which he complied in non-chronological order. Usman was murdered by his own troops, who were tired of his constant wars to accumulation of the wealth and nepotism.

    The forth Caliph Ali was then chosen by the masses, who was murdered by Muawiya the Governor of Syria and nepotistic kin of the third Caliph. Muawiya, then proclaimed himself a Caliph by force and land of Syria. When he died he bequeathed it to his son Yazid (la) who become the sixth Caliph and from then on the Caliphate became dynasties.

    The above is the history of how the first six Caliphs were appointed and became the precedent. Your kind believes in predestination and the Caliphs are appointed by the Will of Allah. Anyone who rejects the Will of Allah, is a refusenik and thus a Kaffir. How can one reject the Will of Allah, when through His Will these Caliphs were appointed as the Prophet failed to do so.

  142. @anonymous

    Lol! The fact that nobody took him for anything, except as a loser, shows the greatness of the Caliphate System, as opposed to the mob rule called Democrazy

    There was never any greatness under the Caliphate System. The first three Caliphs hijacked Islam and under disguise of Preemptive Wars they accumulated mammon and practiced nepotism, giving Islam a black eye. On his death bed the Prophet requested Pen and Paper to make a will about his successor. He was denied by the second Caliph Omar, who called the Prophet delirious under fever and told the Prophet we don’t need your Sunnah and the Quran is sufficient for us.

    [MORE]

    For the above reason the first three Caliphs burned the Prophet Sunnah and Traditions, as it exposed them, claiming the Quran is sufficient for them. The third Caliph compiled the Quran in non-chronological order and burned the rest of the Quran. Under nepotism these three Caliphs set up the Omayyad dynasty from the fifth Caliph onward. Then, the Omayyad dynasty cooked the Prophet Sunnah and Traditions, such as the Prophet married a six years old child and he used to torture the prisoners. Today Muslims have six Sharia from the Prophet. Which is the Sharia the Prophet left? Sunni themselves have four different Sharia.

    The Prophet grandson Hussain didn’t agree to what was going on, so he become a thorn for the sixth Caliph Yazid (la). Hussain with all Prophet’s male children were massacred. The children were as young as six months old toddler. The female were taken prisoners, and paraded without hijab in the bazaars of Syria. Basically, the sixth Caliph committed genocide and war crimes.

    He burned Kaaba (Mecca) and had his horses pee and shit in the Prophet’s mosques in Medina. Every Caliph is called, “Commander of the Faithful”. And, so his Yazid (la) the sixth Caliph and his father the fifth Caliph. According to this standard, Caliph Baghdadi is a “Commander of Faithful” too.

  143. @anonymous

    His laws as forever defined in the Holy Quran, and the teachings of His beloved prophet, the blessed Muhammad SAW, the final seal of all true monotheist prophets since Adam PBUH.

    Is that why the second Caliph Omar told the Prophet on his deathbed, that he (the Prophet) is delirious, and there is no need for his teachings as Quran Only is sufficient?

    And, is that why the first three Caliphs burned the teachings of the Prophet?

    Is that why the third Caliph compiled the Quran is non-chronological order and burned rest of the Qurans?

  144. altay says:

    some points:
    * “kurds” in turkey are ca. 8.5 million. there may be 15, 20, 40 million turkish people from kurdish origin, like me, for ex.; i’m half blood kurdish (as i’m half blood turkish, circassian and arab); yet i feel myself turkish! 😉 . by the way turkey is some 82 million people.
    although there are no sound demographic statistics, there is a good and practical indicator for kurds (i.e. people who feel themselves as kurd):
    kurd is the one whose funeral is song with kurdish requiems.
    out of every ten, one soldier fallen in turkey’s long fight against terrorism is bid farewell by kurdish songs!
    * the most populous kurdish city on earth is istanbul: some 2 million people out of the 20 million living in greater istanbul area are kurdish. when the god given time is up, these people don’t send the coffin of their beloved one to eastern anatolia; instead they bury him/her in istanbul; a sign that they think, istanbul is their home.
    * there has been no fight between “turks” and “kurds” (if you like to name us so 😉 ), but peaceful coexistence throughout centuries. by the way, turkey is no bi-ethnic country (turks and kurds); but a multi-ethnic one: turks, kurds, circassians, boshniaks, albanians and other muslim balkan people, arabs, persians, e.t.c., as well as many people of ethnic mix like me.

    now some other points on endless wars in the middle east and elsewhere on earth:
    * for those who have read the h.g. wells book “the open conspiracy” (not the “time machine” this time! 😉 ), it is no secret, what the globalist forces try to do:
    divide all nation states by endless wars between ethnic groups, faiths, sects, clans e.t.c. into small pieces, so get small city states at the end of the day.
    * it seems, any state with 2 or more cities is “too big to let it go”; it must be chopped, so start a civil war! out comes tiny – mini city states.
    * because these city states are very weak to defend themselves and guarantee peace, they will seek the protection of an “empire”. when wells wrote “the open conspiracy” in 1928, britain was the best candidate for that global empire.. now it is america. 😉
    * the empire will serve for a lasting “global peace” under its nuclear umbrella; city states will gather under its wings, accepting its peace, its rule, its law, its global and economic order.. the new world order.
    * there will be no independent nation, no independent national law, order, economy..
    only the new roman empire.

    * like any ordinary man should be, i am pro a democratic nation state. it’s the only institution, which can protect my freedoms against the onslaught of multinational companies, finance capital and other globalist forces.
    the next world war will be fought between patriots and globalists.
    and it has started..
    regards.. 🙂

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @Talha
  145. @altay

    like any ordinary man should be, i am pro a democratic nation state. it’s the only institution, which can protect my freedoms against the onslaught of multinational companies, finance capital and other globalist forces.

    It doesn’t look to me as if today’s nation states are protecting their nationals’ freedoms against those forces you mention. One state or many states, small or big states, it all looks pretty much the same. Some states are maybe resisting some aspects of this (like perhaps absence of multinational companies, immigrants, gay parades, multiracial sports teams in North Korea), but most others not so much.

    • Replies: @altay
  146. altay says:
    @Commentator Mike

    i can’t say you’re wrong. but with a democratic nation state you much or less have an opportunity for reform or restoration of politics, economy, citizen’s rights. with a global empire, which doesn’t even govern democratically (america or any other future empire won’t ask for its policies to be ratified via referandum or any other political approval mechanism by citizens of future vietnams or iraqs), your (and my) chances would be nil.. regards

  147. Talha says:
    @altay

    Thanks for this comment, very interesting. Glad to get this perspective.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Altay Unaltay
  148. @israel shamir

    Even more reason for cautious optimism!

    It is time for optimism and celebrations, not cautiousness. The two brothers have decided to become one and KSA soon to follow.

    UAE frees millions in frozen funds amid warming ties, Iran says

    After US fails to confront Islamic republic for drone downing and pulls troops from Syria, Emirati MP says understanding is that ‘Western countries can’t provide security’

    Amid improving relations between Iran and the United Arab Emirates, the Gulf state has released $700 million of frozen funds to Tehran in recent days, an Iranian MP said Sunday.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/uae-frees-millions-in-frozen-funds-amid-warming-ties-iran-says/

    The Muslims are in cahoots to defeat Satan and to liberate both al-Quds Mosque and Palestine. Stupid Netanyahu forgot half of the GCC (UAE, Bahrain, Oman, Qatar, Kuwait and KSA) citizens are Ajams (Persians) and speak Ajmi (Persian) Language. The GCC share borders with Iran, so the citizens are mixed race and have relatives on both side of the isles.

    Netanyahu forgot that the Supreme Leaders of Iran, Sayyid Khomeini and Sayyid Khamenei are Arabs and not Ajams. They both are direct male to male descended of the Prophet (saws) all the way across the chain of male children. It is only those stupid Muslims who don’t speak Arabic and know Islam don’t consider these two Supreme Leaders as children of Prophet Mohammad (saws). Why they are called Sayyid and why they wear black turban. Netanyahu must have these stupid Muslims as his advisers.

    Netanyahu has already informed the President of Israel that he can’t form the government, and the mandate is being passed to Gantz. Good riddance!

  149. APilgrim says:

    The West has 1,300 years of dealing with the Turks.

    None of it has been pleasant.

    We are completely hostile to Turkish expansion to anywhere. We are profoundly indifferent to Turkish expulsion from everywhere.

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