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A Crooked Mile
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The “crooked mile” from the Mother Goose Nursery Rhymes (There was a crooked man, and he walked a crooked mile etc) is Fleet Street, which is well known to London journalists. So I was told when I joined the BBC at Bush House, at the very end of Fleet Street. Not only is the street itself crooked, but so are many of its occupants. Crookedness is a professional problem for the media.

However, in older times (let us drop a hint of nostalgia) a journalist had a choice. He could work in a newspaper supporting Tories or Labour or Liberals. Now there is no difference: all British newspapers including the Guardian hate Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader. In the US, all the media hates Trump. There is simply no choice for a reader or a writer!

The only-one-opinion media is the worst thing you can find. Look at what it did to the Russians! I do not mean now, when they have the whole supermarket of ideas, but in 1991.

Exactly 25 years ago, in August 1991, I witnessed Russia’s Mother of All Colour Revolutions, as an Arab poet might call it. It lasted for three days. The Media Masters produced and broadcast a wonderful show of people rising against their tyrants, braving tanks and kicking down a statue or two of their oppressors. You’ve seen such shows broadcast by the same team from Kiev’s Maidan or Cairo’s Tahrir or indeed Baghdad. The results were equally dismal.

The revolution was so much hot air. The old regime collapsed like a house of cards; not a single shot was fired in its defence. There was a collusion between the old Soviet elites and the Masters of Discourse, between the KGB and CNN.

An Emergency Committee established by the last defenders of the regime, acted out a bad old wolf; they called upon the army to bring tanks into Moscow, but did not dare to arrest Yeltsin. The tanks did not move against the rebels and served as a props in this great show.

Moscow folk poured out in their thousands to greet Yeltsin, braving the perfectly innocuous tanks and the tame KGB. There was practically no resistance: Communist Party members in their millions accepted capitalism; the once-mighty KGB fell on its back like a puppy eager to be petted; the army obeyed the new rulers.

There were no victims (except for three boys who got under a reversing armoured vehicle and were given the title of Great Heroes of the Revolution and a state funeral).

The show of liberation and glory has been just a show; the reality was grim. This is always the case with those immensely satisfying productions: they look good, but there is a hell to pay for. It was nice to see jubilant crowds overturn the statue of Felix Dzierżyński in Moscow (just like Saddam Hussein’s in Baghdad), but the modest, safe, productive life of Russians was over. The vast wealth of the Soviets, accumulated by the intensive work of generations, has been divided and shared by a few (mainly Jewish) oligarchs. The rich became obscenely rich, while the middle class perished.

Russian men’s life expectancy dropped down to 58; fifteen million men and women died of this rapid change for the worse. The population’s steady growth has been reversed into fast decline. There were 150 million Russians before the ’91 revolution, the number dropped to 142 and only now has reached 146 million, still much less than in the Soviet days. If we deduct immigrants (and Russia has the world’s 2nd largest number of immigrants, about 12 million, after the US), we’d get even worse figures. Industry has been destroyed. Science, arts, cinema, theatre, media were ruined – unless these were of immediate use for the oligarchs.

Only ten years later, with ascent of Putin, Russia began its long climb back. Just recently she managed to regain her pre-1991 level.

Why did well educated, literate Russians allow themselves to be tricked in such a way? Soviet society was highly centralised, there were few checks and balances, no opposition, no free political media. Mikhail Gorbachev had held the supreme powers of a Tsar. Such a structure is highly susceptible to betrayal or even to a gross miscalculation. As Gorbachev decided to submit to the West, he passed control over the media and cadres to a fully paid and owned Western spy Mr Alexander N Yakovlev. In a few years, the Soviet media made a full turn around, and now it beamed a simple, single message: Communism was a mistake, or worse: a crime, Americans are our friends; accept their guidance; and you will live like the Swiss (?!) do.

The Russians were very naïve. They did not trust their old media, but they yet had no immunity against the new one. Their new media was as totalitarian as the old one, just its bias has been changed. The Russians discovered that their Pravda lied to them, and they made the wrong conclusion that the New York Times would tell them truth.

They did not know that nursery rhyme about a crooked man who walked a crooked mile and lived in a crooked house is a good description of mass media. They accepted the changes that pauperised them. Thus I learned that media can convince people to act against their own interests.

 

ORDER IT NOW

A similar process is now going on, 25 years later, in the US. The totalitarian, united mainstream mass media, concentrated in a few (mainly Jewish) hands may yet lead the Americans to perdition. Ostensibly, Americans, sturdy individualists as they are, should understand that they are likely to lose their country. That the Coalition of Minorities will empower the Iron Heel of bankers, military and spooks. The experience of 1991 taught me that it is as difficult to fight the Masters of Discourse as it was for the children of Hameln to disregard their Piper. Still, this time the Crooked Men may yet lose just because they discarded the cloak of impartiality.

Michael Goodwin wrote: “The shameful display of naked partisanship by the elite media is unlike anything seen in modern America. The largest broadcast networks — CBS, NBC and ABC — and major newspapers like the New York Times and Washington Post have jettisoned all pretence of fair play. Their fierce determination to keep Trump out of the Oval Office has no precedent. Indeed, no foreign enemy, no terror group, no native criminal gang suffers the daily beating that Trump does. The mad mullahs of Iran, who call America the Great Satan and vow to wipe Israel off the map, are treated gently by comparison.”

“The U.S. media is essentially 100 per cent united, vehemently, against Trump, and preventing him from being elected president.” – said Glenn Greenwald, and he noted that it will not help them. People who vote for Trump will not care about media spin, like the people who voted for Brexit did not care about arrogant British elites and their media spin masters. They prophesied but their prophecies failed.

Indeed, a false prophesy is the oldest trick in the book. Whenever they say that Trump is doomed to lose, that their polls and their analysis determine his failure is unavoidable, remember: they lie. Sputnik News Agency, one of a very few outlets still independent from the Spin Masters United, revealed: Donald Trump has made a political comeback for the ages, but the media has gone silent about a major new poll that shows that Trump now holds a two point lead over Clinton, nationally.

Not that it matters too much. The polls are just a device to convince you to support their candidate. Nobody knows the result unless one intends to rig the elections. And this is a real danger that should be met, not discounted.

Michael Moore added another ploy saying that Trump does not want to win. Some people in the Counterpunch, including Jeff St Clair, picked it up. What they actually mean is that they would say different things or they would use another strategy. For instance, Trump did not use the $400 million transfer to Iran as a peg to attack the administration. Doesn’t it mean he does not want to win?

Not at all: this was a wise and principled decision not to rock the nuclear agreement with Iran. This agreement is a good deal, and it is better to keep in place. Perhaps Trump paid attention to Ron Unz’s story of American POWs who were left to die in Vietnam because the US administration preferred to renege on the promised payment to Hanoi. The US owed more than $400 million to Teheran; this transfer had to be done, and a responsible statesman would avoid attacking it even if it was a good opportunity to goad Obama.

It seems that Trump is doing well, and if his nerves wouldn’t fail him and his supporters he’ll make the historic change of regaining America for Americans. And letting other countries to live their own way – something the Masters of Discourse can’t tolerate.

This does not mean all Trump’s strategies are perfect. His harping on the Muslim theme appears to be useless. Mind you, I am always against mass immigration, Muslim, Jewish or Buddhist, and if the US – and other countries – will stop this modern slavery trade, I’d say Amen. But the US has no Muslim problem, and a very few Muslims at all. Obama regime did not allow Iraqi or Syrian refugees to come to its shores in substantial quantities. Ten thousand a year: why, that’s what Greece gets in a day!

Perhaps Trump hoped the Jewish supporters will flock to him, as American Jews embrace and finance every bloody-minded European anti-Muslim nationalist of Netherlands, Denmark or England. But this scheme misfired. Anti-Muslim Jews are plentiful in the US, but they cold-shouldered Trump, as Kevin MacDonald established. They want to spread distrust and hatred between the natives and the Muslims of Europe, but in the US? This is too close to home. Once your natives are made aware of a difference between a Muslim and a Christian, they can discover a difference between a Christian and a Jew. So, if Trump thought he will get Jewish support in exchange for anti-Muslim policies, he miscalculated.

While Trump’s anti-Muslim campaign bore no fruits, he became the standard-bearer for freedom of mind versus Masters of Discourse. “I’m not running against Crooked Hillary,” he told a crowd. “I’m running against the Crooked Media.” And this is the most important message of the campaign.

Now there are better chances to defeat the Crooked Men than ever before, as the MSM loses its position versus social networks and free internet. The social networks are also biased and manipulated; still, they are more free and less centralised. However, the MSM should be broken, democratised and de-monopolised. The US managed to break up the mighty Standard Oil in 1911; it should be possible to break media into small independent companies in 2017. Otherwise, we shall always be fed with propaganda.

The Masters of Discourse love to create a media event and spin it until it occupies the whole of the world agenda. Do you remember a poor little Syrian kid who was found drowned on the Mediterranean shore? This very sad, very tragic, but hardly exceptional event has been spinned and beamed until the German chancellor proclaimed she will accept all Syrian refugees. This is exactly what the spin masters wanted: to overflow Europe with refugees, to create there another Coalition of Minorities, to overburden the welfare state and to cause collapse of Europe as an independent entity.

ORDER IT NOW

Now they choose another baby picture in Aleppo, Syria as a trigger for military intervention. This death is a tragic event, as deaths of another hundred thousand of Syrian children is. If Hillary Clinton would not ship mountains of weapons to the islamist extremists in Syria, these children would be alive. Would an armed intervention by the West return them to life? No, the best way out is pacification of Aleppo and of the whole Syria. The armed rebels may leave Aleppo safely, while the civilians will remain in their homes, at peace.

I do not believe these tragic pictures are being shown in good faith. So many Palestinian children were killed by Israelis, but their pictures never stopped the endless flow of American military aid to Israel. Palestinians tried to publish photos, and made zero impact. They were condemned for publishing “war porno”. So these dog-whistle words and pictures are supposed to act only when the spin masters use them. It is manipulation, not compassion.

If we want peace and prosperity, justice and mercy, we should break the spell of the crooked media upon people. The crooked should be made straight, in words of the Bible. This is the most important message of these times, and the late August is a good time to act upon it.

This article was first published in The Unz Review.

Israel Shamir can be reached at adam@israelshamir.net

 
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    It seems the other day Trump was holding an informal discussion with the traveling press corp in the back of his plane when he suffered an attack of flatulence and in Trumponian tradition it was huuuuuge. Some what embarrassed Trump commented ” It is not my fault folks it was that bean burrito from Juanita’s Taco Stand” The next morning the headline on the front page of the NY Times read Trump Unleashes Lethal Poisonous Gas Attack on Press Corp Blames Incident on Immigrant Single Mother

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  2. “This is exactly what the spin masters wanted: to overflow Europe with refugees, to create there another Coalition of Minorities, to overburden the welfare state and to cause collapse of Europe as an independent entity.”

    That is the same method being used against the USA. The oligarchs direct the media to produce a blizzard of “human interest” schlock, and the Group Stupid laps it up every time. It is astounding — millions of people convinced, via an implementation of Goebbel’s “Big Lie” propaganda, to commit national and cultural suicide by importing huge numbers of aliens whose cultures are directly inimical to the erstwhile American national ethos.

    Perhaps Lincoln’s (apocryphal?) observation that “You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time.” should be simplified and corrected to “You can fool enough people all the time.”

    • Replies: @Wally
    In your sophomoric reference to "Goebbel’s Big Lie”, Goebbel's was in fact referring to supremacist Jews / the media doing what you now claim he did.

    Zionist propaganda has done a number on you.

    Get your facts straight.

    , @animalogic
    “You can fool enough people all the time.” Spot on !
    , @bshirt
    Extremely well said John Jeremiah Smith. I couldn't possibly agree more.
  3. Israel Shamir is one of top three article writers on this zine, with Philip Giraldi and Ron Unz himself. This one is another excellent essay. But, a nit picker I am, I have to say that he refers to media all the time, whilst in many instances he should have replaced the word media with the word establishment. Media only serve the establishment, media have no mind of their own, that is media are one of establishment’s tools, next to the police, judiciary and the military. Media, that is MSM and controlled social media, are a tool for the soft control of the masses, whilst police and judiciary are for the hard control of those who do not fall for media lies.

    Even my 87 years old mother suggested that US voters may repeat the Brexit vote, despite media blazing with anti-Trumpism or because of media anti-Trumpism. But I suggested back to her that US voters are much dumber than the British voters. I would love to be proven wrong, it would the most pleasant surprise imaginable if Trump would win despite demonisation and despite vote stacking and stealing by the establishment.

    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
    Well, dear Kiza, establishment is too general word. I do mean the Masters of Discourse, this is media, universities, news agencies - people who form and manage discourse. There is no doubt that the IMF or MoD belong to establishment, but they do not create and manipulate the discourse. Even more precisely though pedantic: I mean the enforcers of Gramscian hegemony )) not the establishment per se.
    , @The Alarmist
    So in my opinion, TPTB throw this election to Trump as the first salvo in collapsing the global economy and order and then use this as the excuse to piece it back together as the long-promised New World Order, sans Trump of course.
    , @Connecticut Famer
    I don't think you are wrong. They ARE dumber. Much dumber. Remember the words of P.T. Barnum--"There's a sucker born every minute." And The Clinton Con Job is alive and well.
    , @iffen
    whilst in many instances he should have replaced the word media with the word establishment

    Excellent observation. Words are meaningful. Sometimes nit is appropriate and sometimes nose.

    :)

    Just wanted to let you know I did not put you back on CTI.
  4. …the MSM should be broken, democratised and de-monopolised. The US managed to break up the mighty Standard Oil in 1911; it should be possible to break media into small independent companies in 2017. Otherwise, we shall always be fed with propaganda.

    I don’t know the answer to the problem. Maybe this is it, but something must be done. We need to get rid of ownership across media as well. Disney must be forced to release ABC and no broadcast media should be able to own print media. Perhaps the media companies should even be prevented from owning multiple outlets across the country.

    A close look at corrupt networks such as the AP also needs to take place. And government owned outlets like the BBC need to be banned completely.

    • Replies: @Alden
    It was Chuchill who established the BBC after WW1. He was a cabinet minister and took it upon himself to establish it.

    Ironically, ironically he set it up to prevent the creation of a pro communist radio network. He knew how both the homegrown ultra left and Soviet agents would take over private sector radio stations
    He felt that a government radio monopoly could be supervised to prevent a communist takeover

    It took a while, but the ultra left just took over the government owned BBC aka the
    Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation.

    Look at the Chicago Tribune and the Los Angeles Times. They and other major papers were very conservative, pro White pro business, anti immigration etc. But now they are full on for the elimination of White Americans. Eradicate Whites has been the liberal cause for decades.
  5. @John Jeremiah Smith
    Good stuff, "Shamir". You got yourself a new follower. :-)

    Thank you, “Smith”!

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith
    Just finished reading your essay on "Discussion of Anti-Semitism", of January 2003. It is brilliant, to say the least. I rather suspect it would tax the understanding of most Unz readers of today. That being said, a re-presentation of it, perhaps revised for currency where necessary, would make for excellent "new" Unz material. However, it being my opinion and observation that readers of Internet essays tend to have short attention spans, a segmenting of the material into four or more essays that could "stand alone" might be advisable -- at your discretion, of course. Just a suggestion.... :-)

    I truly have not read anything as good as that article in many years. (Well, Mark Twain's autobiography, but that's in an entirely different class of literature.) No wonder they hate you in Tel Aviv. :-)
  6. @Kiza
    Israel Shamir is one of top three article writers on this zine, with Philip Giraldi and Ron Unz himself. This one is another excellent essay. But, a nit picker I am, I have to say that he refers to media all the time, whilst in many instances he should have replaced the word media with the word establishment. Media only serve the establishment, media have no mind of their own, that is media are one of establishment's tools, next to the police, judiciary and the military. Media, that is MSM and controlled social media, are a tool for the soft control of the masses, whilst police and judiciary are for the hard control of those who do not fall for media lies.

    Even my 87 years old mother suggested that US voters may repeat the Brexit vote, despite media blazing with anti-Trumpism or because of media anti-Trumpism. But I suggested back to her that US voters are much dumber than the British voters. I would love to be proven wrong, it would the most pleasant surprise imaginable if Trump would win despite demonisation and despite vote stacking and stealing by the establishment.

    Well, dear Kiza, establishment is too general word. I do mean the Masters of Discourse, this is media, universities, news agencies – people who form and manage discourse. There is no doubt that the IMF or MoD belong to establishment, but they do not create and manipulate the discourse. Even more precisely though pedantic: I mean the enforcers of Gramscian hegemony )) not the establishment per se.

  7. @Kiza
    Israel Shamir is one of top three article writers on this zine, with Philip Giraldi and Ron Unz himself. This one is another excellent essay. But, a nit picker I am, I have to say that he refers to media all the time, whilst in many instances he should have replaced the word media with the word establishment. Media only serve the establishment, media have no mind of their own, that is media are one of establishment's tools, next to the police, judiciary and the military. Media, that is MSM and controlled social media, are a tool for the soft control of the masses, whilst police and judiciary are for the hard control of those who do not fall for media lies.

    Even my 87 years old mother suggested that US voters may repeat the Brexit vote, despite media blazing with anti-Trumpism or because of media anti-Trumpism. But I suggested back to her that US voters are much dumber than the British voters. I would love to be proven wrong, it would the most pleasant surprise imaginable if Trump would win despite demonisation and despite vote stacking and stealing by the establishment.

    So in my opinion, TPTB throw this election to Trump as the first salvo in collapsing the global economy and order and then use this as the excuse to piece it back together as the long-promised New World Order, sans Trump of course.

  8. @Kiza
    Israel Shamir is one of top three article writers on this zine, with Philip Giraldi and Ron Unz himself. This one is another excellent essay. But, a nit picker I am, I have to say that he refers to media all the time, whilst in many instances he should have replaced the word media with the word establishment. Media only serve the establishment, media have no mind of their own, that is media are one of establishment's tools, next to the police, judiciary and the military. Media, that is MSM and controlled social media, are a tool for the soft control of the masses, whilst police and judiciary are for the hard control of those who do not fall for media lies.

    Even my 87 years old mother suggested that US voters may repeat the Brexit vote, despite media blazing with anti-Trumpism or because of media anti-Trumpism. But I suggested back to her that US voters are much dumber than the British voters. I would love to be proven wrong, it would the most pleasant surprise imaginable if Trump would win despite demonisation and despite vote stacking and stealing by the establishment.

    I don’t think you are wrong. They ARE dumber. Much dumber. Remember the words of P.T. Barnum–”There’s a sucker born every minute.” And The Clinton Con Job is alive and well.

  9. Thank you, Mr. Shamir.

    It certainly looks as though the post-”Clean Break” ground is being laid for justifying further territorial expansion of Israel. It’s simply a matter of when, not if, and we can be certain the Masters of Discourse will continue to airbrush every chapter of this tragic narrative.

  10. the MSM should be broken, democratised and de-monopolised

    A simple law restricting direct or indirect ownership of media outlets to one per person or corporation would do it. That way local papers, TV and radio stations would once again be mostly locally owned, and national media outlets would revert to control by hundreds if not thousand of individuals or corporations, rather than, as in the US, a mere handful.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    No chance of it working unless you do some truly amazing things with your definition of indirect ownership. (You would be more interested in control which would have its definitional problems too).

    If you weren't into defining control then a family could use dozens of corporations each owning a media outlet or a share in one and none of them "owned" by a family member....and that's before it gets subtle and complicated.

    , @Wizard of Oz
    And I forgot to mention the First Amendment which would surely make it very impossible to prevent any legal entity from owning the means to propagate its views in all parts of the US.
  11. I agree with most of the comments posted above but I’m not sure that the British voters are much smarter and if they are it is by a small amount. They did elect the lying war criminal Blair three times and as we know the saying that GWB couldn’t quite manage about fooling me once and twice….

    All of the Anglosphere has been dumbed down in the past couple of decades and it began long before that. Australia is a good example being the most egalitarian of them all yet with Rupey owning about 70% of the media the level of conditioning just beggars belief as our resident HIQI the Wiz proudly demonstrates here daily. They too elected their war criminal leader, the lying rodent John Howard, three times and only recently returned his like minded mental clones to power.

    The great war criminals of our age enjoy great status and wealth, bringing to mind the statement that it is no measure of success to be well-adjusted in a profoundly sick society.

    The great push for lebensraum in the middle east will occur at around the same time that the west is dealing with a great conflagration that has been unnecessarily provoked triggering an economic collapse that makes 2008 seem like a beach party. Western nations will see civil unrest on a massive scale with muslims scapegoated and a lot of it directed at jews thus encouraging them to relocate to the ‘promised land’. They will long to be back in the west where they had life so good but it will be too late.

    The people everywhere will beg for protection from looters and thugs making way for the NWO to step in with solutions and ‘justice’ for all everywhere.

    Those who have defrauded squillions will snap up strategic assets and property for pennies on the dollar and neo-fuedalism will reign like we’ve back-tracked a thousand years.

    Those who put their faith in an anthropomorphic god will be bitterly disappointed but will likely as not still dream on. The dream of America will disappear from the pages of history.

    All of this will come to pass with or without the 2nd Amendment but even sooner without it. I doubt The Donald will do much to change things but I’d love to be reminded by everyone here down the track how very wrong I was about all of this and the truth is, if it comes to pass it will be because we deserve to suffer as we’ve all carried on and silently gone along with the evil and suffering inflicted in our names when a general strike is really the only response to wars when we are not threatened.

    Thanks for reading

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    You sound like an unhappy person. I am reminded by the death of an old friend that he and I once agreed that the world had been going downhill since the 1950s but that for at least 10 years I have been rejecting that view. Perhaps it has something to do with enjoying undeserved good health when contemporaries are beginning to die in increasing numbers (and despite that of course in the case of friends). The point of all of which is to emphasise the subjectivity of one's broad brush judgments though I am sympathetic to a lot of what you say, if not the rather angry way you say it.

    To quibbles. How come the Australian public voted so contrary to the will of the owner of (your figure) 70 per cent of the media? I note btw that John Howard was elected 4 times, not three. As to his unfortunate encouragement of George W. Bush's misbegotten Iraq adventure it is hard to see where he qualifies as war criminal and the average Australian might give him credit for maintaining Australia"s privileged ally position with the US way back then for the loss of one Australian soldier who accidentally shot himself.

    As a fresh thought it occurs to me that the very experienced and eventually very successful politician John Howard may have been a much more emotional person than one might instinctively suppose. Therefore it is indeed likely that being in DC on the day when, just down the road, a plane was flown into the Pentagon and the Twin Towers brought down, he was moved to offer solidly loyal support to his new mate Bush. (He was certainly emotionally intelligent, at least in his successful years and was brilliant at working a big room as well as paying attention to his backbench members. Apparently he enjoyed parties too, without any scandal arising from that).

    What is the great push for Lebensraum in the Middle East that you refer to? Hitler's concept of Lebensraum is now thoroughly outdated unless you are referring to people with still high human fertility but poor technology for food production and little money.

    We all have gone along with etc.... and we all deserve to suffer??? Is this the ethical doctrine of the Green left that I find conservatives describing as having a new religious belief or substitute for religion? Oh well I must remember your reminder to look for assets to snap up for pennies in the dollar. If you can't be sure what the right thing is to do or to think one might as well be practical. I was wondering today whether Singapore wouldn't be the best place to establish one's formal residence. I suppose solar powered aircon would deal with both heat and the smoke from those Indonesian forest fires.

  12. A couple of quibbling questions. If the media is in such a dangerously bad state how come Jeremy Corbyn got elected in the first instance and looks likely to defeat the challenge now?

    And (rhetoric watch in action) what do you mean by “the vast wealth of the Soviets accumulated by the hard work of ? And how do you value that “vast wealth”? A lot of oil that needed sophisticated western technology and management to exploit properly? A lot of brilliant scientists who had no experience of developing products for a market? Agricultural production that was wat behind the West in technology? You get the drift of my problem???

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    That someone's 'need of sophisticated western technology' is overrated and is actually a fairy-tale. The light bulb, radio, lasers, tv, videotape recording, manned spaceflight, nanotechnology etc. are all invented by Russians. If one takes USA, we see e.g. helicopters invented by Russians, stealth principle also, and without Verner von Braun no more space flights are possible. The 'market' itself is outdated, primitive concept lagging behing planned economy. And yes, economy of USSR was unfit not only to the capitialist market, but also for feudalism, slavery and tribal affairs. Yet we still enjoy it in Russia: with our 3-years paid maternal leave, large families' tax deductions, free kindergartends for all, monthly paid vacations and other social bonuses for all. E.g. free milk and dairy products for kids, free public transportation, free vacations in Crimea or Sochi for elderly and disabled persons. And, on top of that, we don't have any significant mortgage or education debts.
    , @Clearpoint
    Centralized control doesn't work. Neither that of the old style Soviets, nor that of the new style western sponsored oligarchs. At least under the Soviets, the wealth of the USSR, though vastly under developed, was still within the borders of the country, and thereby was potentially available to broadly benefit the people. Whereas under the western sponsored oligarchs, wealth development has improved, but that wealth has been consolidated and taken from the people, leaving them with a mountain of debt and a loss of control of their own economic resources and their own future in return. You get the drift of that problem?
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    @Wizard of Oz
    A couple of quibbling questions. If the media is in such a dangerously bad state how come Jeremy Corbyn got elected in the first instance and looks likely to defeat the challenge now?

    And (rhetoric watch in action) what do you mean by "the vast wealth of the Soviets accumulated by the hard work of ? And how do you value that "vast wealth"? A lot of oil that needed sophisticated western technology and management to exploit properly? A lot of brilliant scientists who had no experience of developing products for a market? Agricultural production that was wat behind the West in technology? You get the drift of my problem???

    That someone’s ‘need of sophisticated western technology’ is overrated and is actually a fairy-tale. The light bulb, radio, lasers, tv, videotape recording, manned spaceflight, nanotechnology etc. are all invented by Russians. If one takes USA, we see e.g. helicopters invented by Russians, stealth principle also, and without Verner von Braun no more space flights are possible. The ‘market’ itself is outdated, primitive concept lagging behing planned economy. And yes, economy of USSR was unfit not only to the capitialist market, but also for feudalism, slavery and tribal affairs. Yet we still enjoy it in Russia: with our 3-years paid maternal leave, large families’ tax deductions, free kindergartends for all, monthly paid vacations and other social bonuses for all. E.g. free milk and dairy products for kids, free public transportation, free vacations in Crimea or Sochi for elderly and disabled persons. And, on top of that, we don’t have any significant mortgage or education debts.

  14. @CanSpeccy
    the MSM should be broken, democratised and de-monopolised

    A simple law restricting direct or indirect ownership of media outlets to one per person or corporation would do it. That way local papers, TV and radio stations would once again be mostly locally owned, and national media outlets would revert to control by hundreds if not thousand of individuals or corporations, rather than, as in the US, a mere handful.

    No chance of it working unless you do some truly amazing things with your definition of indirect ownership. (You would be more interested in control which would have its definitional problems too).

    If you weren’t into defining control then a family could use dozens of corporations each owning a media outlet or a share in one and none of them “owned” by a family member….and that’s before it gets subtle and complicated.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    Yes, I know amazing things can be done with corporate structures. That's why I said a simple law. Perhaps it would actually have to prohibit corporate ownership of media. That would make sense, since free speech is a personal thing, the free press should be owned exclusively by individuals to whom responsibility for every utterance can be attributed.
  15. Trump’s Muslim bashing has nothing at all to do with the Jews, it’s for the evangelicals who passionately hate Muslims and view the world through the prism of a Christian/Islam battle of civilizations. I’ve seen multiple pollsters raise the question of how Trump, who should have zero appeal among this cohort, could be so popular with evangelicals. This is why.

    • Replies: @Alden
    A poll came out today, 8/25. White evangelicals are 62 percent for Trump.
    , @in the middle
    Yes, and no. Evangelicals believe that Judaism/Talmud-ism is God's on earth! Believe me, I was once fed this lie. So, because they believe that Mohammedans hate the Talmudist, then they obviously hate the Mohammedans! Weird indeed. They fail to comprehend that Talmudists hate them as well, and its a sick cycle of hate.
    I met a Mohammedan in Saudi Arabia, and can deduct that they are child like people who are so ignorant of the world outside, that anything their imams tell them, they believe it completely, just like the Foxnews crowd, who think that if it is in fox news, must be the truth, or CNN, MSNBC, etc.

    thank God I don't have cable!

  16. @CanSpeccy
    the MSM should be broken, democratised and de-monopolised

    A simple law restricting direct or indirect ownership of media outlets to one per person or corporation would do it. That way local papers, TV and radio stations would once again be mostly locally owned, and national media outlets would revert to control by hundreds if not thousand of individuals or corporations, rather than, as in the US, a mere handful.

    And I forgot to mention the First Amendment which would surely make it very impossible to prevent any legal entity from owning the means to propagate its views in all parts of the US.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    Confining ownership of the press to individuals, i.e., persons not corporations, would not, it seems to me, constitute an abridgment of the freedom of speech, or of the press.

    But the argument may in any case be irrelevant as emerging low-cost, high-impact media such as Breitbart, Unz Review etc., make the corporate media of diminishing political significance. The fear that that is so must underlie Hillary Clinton's determination to destroy Breitbart.

  17. @Anonymous
    That someone's 'need of sophisticated western technology' is overrated and is actually a fairy-tale. The light bulb, radio, lasers, tv, videotape recording, manned spaceflight, nanotechnology etc. are all invented by Russians. If one takes USA, we see e.g. helicopters invented by Russians, stealth principle also, and without Verner von Braun no more space flights are possible. The 'market' itself is outdated, primitive concept lagging behing planned economy. And yes, economy of USSR was unfit not only to the capitialist market, but also for feudalism, slavery and tribal affairs. Yet we still enjoy it in Russia: with our 3-years paid maternal leave, large families' tax deductions, free kindergartends for all, monthly paid vacations and other social bonuses for all. E.g. free milk and dairy products for kids, free public transportation, free vacations in Crimea or Sochi for elderly and disabled persons. And, on top of that, we don't have any significant mortgage or education debts.

    Oh very droll Prime Minister…

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    You have the dubious honour of taking up the most non-productive space on the thread.

    Citing the First Amendment, to pose as a US person, then making it clear you are not with

    Oh very droll Prime Minister…
     
    You are fortunate to be able to post here, from your pattern, it would seem that you are one of the people who would report most of the posters here (except the obvious Moslems) and get their comments removed on, say, the Guardian's ludicrously named 'Comment is Free'. I would guess that the OP had the right idea about your nationality, the only writers on 'Graun' that are even more brain-dead than the British are the Australians, and the only commentors who outdo the Australian 'Move On' types for imbecility are the US 'Move On' types.

    Meditate upon that, you may gain a little enlightenment.

    If you had a little knowledge, you would know that westbehind's comments are true, but as a western champagne socialist, it would never occur to you to think about any positive aspects of the USSR to have been retained or recovered in Russia and Belarus, and some of the other components of the former state.
  18. @NoseytheDuke
    I agree with most of the comments posted above but I'm not sure that the British voters are much smarter and if they are it is by a small amount. They did elect the lying war criminal Blair three times and as we know the saying that GWB couldn't quite manage about fooling me once and twice….

    All of the Anglosphere has been dumbed down in the past couple of decades and it began long before that. Australia is a good example being the most egalitarian of them all yet with Rupey owning about 70% of the media the level of conditioning just beggars belief as our resident HIQI the Wiz proudly demonstrates here daily. They too elected their war criminal leader, the lying rodent John Howard, three times and only recently returned his like minded mental clones to power.

    The great war criminals of our age enjoy great status and wealth, bringing to mind the statement that it is no measure of success to be well-adjusted in a profoundly sick society.

    The great push for lebensraum in the middle east will occur at around the same time that the west is dealing with a great conflagration that has been unnecessarily provoked triggering an economic collapse that makes 2008 seem like a beach party. Western nations will see civil unrest on a massive scale with muslims scapegoated and a lot of it directed at jews thus encouraging them to relocate to the 'promised land'. They will long to be back in the west where they had life so good but it will be too late.

    The people everywhere will beg for protection from looters and thugs making way for the NWO to step in with solutions and 'justice' for all everywhere.

    Those who have defrauded squillions will snap up strategic assets and property for pennies on the dollar and neo-fuedalism will reign like we've back-tracked a thousand years.

    Those who put their faith in an anthropomorphic god will be bitterly disappointed but will likely as not still dream on. The dream of America will disappear from the pages of history.

    All of this will come to pass with or without the 2nd Amendment but even sooner without it. I doubt The Donald will do much to change things but I'd love to be reminded by everyone here down the track how very wrong I was about all of this and the truth is, if it comes to pass it will be because we deserve to suffer as we've all carried on and silently gone along with the evil and suffering inflicted in our names when a general strike is really the only response to wars when we are not threatened.

    Thanks for reading

    You sound like an unhappy person. I am reminded by the death of an old friend that he and I once agreed that the world had been going downhill since the 1950s but that for at least 10 years I have been rejecting that view. Perhaps it has something to do with enjoying undeserved good health when contemporaries are beginning to die in increasing numbers (and despite that of course in the case of friends). The point of all of which is to emphasise the subjectivity of one’s broad brush judgments though I am sympathetic to a lot of what you say, if not the rather angry way you say it.

    To quibbles. How come the Australian public voted so contrary to the will of the owner of (your figure) 70 per cent of the media? I note btw that John Howard was elected 4 times, not three. As to his unfortunate encouragement of George W. Bush’s misbegotten Iraq adventure it is hard to see where he qualifies as war criminal and the average Australian might give him credit for maintaining Australia”s privileged ally position with the US way back then for the loss of one Australian soldier who accidentally shot himself.

    As a fresh thought it occurs to me that the very experienced and eventually very successful politician John Howard may have been a much more emotional person than one might instinctively suppose. Therefore it is indeed likely that being in DC on the day when, just down the road, a plane was flown into the Pentagon and the Twin Towers brought down, he was moved to offer solidly loyal support to his new mate Bush. (He was certainly emotionally intelligent, at least in his successful years and was brilliant at working a big room as well as paying attention to his backbench members. Apparently he enjoyed parties too, without any scandal arising from that).

    What is the great push for Lebensraum in the Middle East that you refer to? Hitler’s concept of Lebensraum is now thoroughly outdated unless you are referring to people with still high human fertility but poor technology for food production and little money.

    We all have gone along with etc…. and we all deserve to suffer??? Is this the ethical doctrine of the Green left that I find conservatives describing as having a new religious belief or substitute for religion? Oh well I must remember your reminder to look for assets to snap up for pennies in the dollar. If you can’t be sure what the right thing is to do or to think one might as well be practical. I was wondering today whether Singapore wouldn’t be the best place to establish one’s formal residence. I suppose solar powered aircon would deal with both heat and the smoke from those Indonesian forest fires.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Spare your tears, I am known as a bit of a character and a laugh a minute by those who flock to be near me. I write not with anger but with a certainty that evil deeds beget evil returns.

    Your quibble on how the Aussies voted contrary to Rupeys will misses the point, they followed him like lambs to the slaughter. The rodent was purely lucky with escaping a high casualty rate, that and the fact that Australians are said to be good soldiers even if they do fight for causes at odds to the Australian dictum of a fair go. Howard knew there were no WMDs as did every other leader who sent troops to Iraq. The people will pay for it by sacrificing future prosperity, as will the US and UK etc.

    You are correct that he was elected 4 times so clearly they aren't very smart, deserving only good cricket and footy but not good government. I was based in the US for most of that period making lots dough for having fun so thanks for that correction.

    Some privileged ally, the CIA constantly spies on Australia and was behind the dismissal of the best Prime Minister Australia has had in at least a generation. So much for democracy.

    Only fools believe a plane hit the Pentagon. "His mate Bush" haha, Howard was like a blushing schoolgirl merely to be in the idiot's presence.

    My use of Lebensraum refers to the Yinon Plan, I thought that would be quite plain to any clear thinker but I didn't anticipate you reading my post.

    Yes do keep an eye out for those bargain strategic assets, I'm sure there will be a seat for you at the table. I can't imagine a more scintillating dinner guest.
    , @animalogic
    Re: John Howard. I have never liked him, however I will admit he was an astute politician. He was also a very LUCKY one. 4 terms, but what really helped him ?
    The greatest resources boom in Australia's history: the money just came slushing in (we can argue how much they wasted, but it's hard to avoid the view he installed a fundamentally unsustainable budget structure).
    Howard was lucky the opposition had one dud leader after another.
    He was able to profitably exploit the whole immigration/illegals/people smugglers business..ah, the golden days of "kids overboard".
    And, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that NO government, before or after has spent such vast public sums hyping their own partisan programs.
    Oh, he was also lucky he had a treasurer so lacking in "ticker" he couldn't bring himself to challenge -- even in the final years when many in the party thought he should have.
    So, John Howard, "the deputy" ... what do we say these days? Oh, yes: "whatever"....
  19. @Wizard of Oz
    Oh very droll Prime Minister...

    You have the dubious honour of taking up the most non-productive space on the thread.

    Citing the First Amendment, to pose as a US person, then making it clear you are not with

    Oh very droll Prime Minister…

    You are fortunate to be able to post here, from your pattern, it would seem that you are one of the people who would report most of the posters here (except the obvious Moslems) and get their comments removed on, say, the Guardian’s ludicrously named ‘Comment is Free’. I would guess that the OP had the right idea about your nationality, the only writers on ‘Graun’ that are even more brain-dead than the British are the Australians, and the only commentors who outdo the Australian ‘Move On’ types for imbecility are the US ‘Move On’ types.

    Meditate upon that, you may gain a little enlightenment.

    If you had a little knowledge, you would know that westbehind’s comments are true, but as a western champagne socialist, it would never occur to you to think about any positive aspects of the USSR to have been retained or recovered in Russia and Belarus, and some of the other components of the former state.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    "Meditate on that". I am not sure that medidation is something that can be done in the 10 seconds to gather from your post that you do not have the intellugence or the educated intellect to make it worth engaging with you.

    For one example: almost everything you seem to have inferred about me is ridiculously wrong. What you say is about as good as putting words in a hat and pulling them out at random.

    For another your remark that I cite "the First Amendment to pose as a US person" is prima facie an incredibly stupid thing to say, though I suppose you could claim to be merely careless because you'd smoked too much weed. Why think I was posing as any nationality? Why can you not see when someone is simply putting an argument or making a point?

    Did you not immediately think of Citizens United v. FEC? Apparently not. But just because a lot of people like yourself are insular and ignorant to the point where you should hire an educated editorial assistant before you post it doesn't mean that others wallow in ignorance of the Constitution of the most powerful country in the world.

    As to westbehind's arrival on UR with the sort of fairy stories about Russian inventions which were an old joke 50 years ago!!! Or would you like to try substantiating your confident assertions of their truth? No I didn't think so. Nor have you noticed my more important premise which was the failure of socialism to turn potential sources of wealth into actual wealth. I note btw your peculiarly frivolous tossed salad of meaningless words in which you call me, though I was almost deriding the economy of the Union of Soviet *Socialist* Republics, a "champagne socialist". Are you not ashamed of writing in a literary medium,provided by Ron Unz at considerable cost, with such indifference to the convention that words have meanings and are expected to be used to convey clear ideas truthfully?

    As to "non-productive space" which you say with characteristic sloppiness (or stupidity) that I take up. (I'll have to explain it to you so it might as well be now. You don't mean that I took up non-productive space. You mean that I made the space I took up non-productive). What would be "productive space [or use of space]"? Can you cite any amongst your own comments for example? Anyone reliably better informed about something? Any reliable and interesting information that most people would be unaware of? Any reliable correction of misinformation? No, only clumsy utterance of ill formed and ill informed opinion to the best of my recollection.

    , @Wizard of Oz
    You mention Belarus. While I had, contrary to your suggeation, absolutely no reason to even mention or consider Belarus let's see if you are not again just throwing words idly around. Do tell us what good things you know about Belarus (tossing in your learned thoughts onits relations with Russia too). Why not include Chechnya too when you are praising the conditions of life in Belarus? After all Chechnya is actually part of Russia. Do you think your new chum westbehind can give you the stats on maternity leave etc enjoyed in Chechnya in the 21st century?
  20. @Wizard of Oz
    A couple of quibbling questions. If the media is in such a dangerously bad state how come Jeremy Corbyn got elected in the first instance and looks likely to defeat the challenge now?

    And (rhetoric watch in action) what do you mean by "the vast wealth of the Soviets accumulated by the hard work of ? And how do you value that "vast wealth"? A lot of oil that needed sophisticated western technology and management to exploit properly? A lot of brilliant scientists who had no experience of developing products for a market? Agricultural production that was wat behind the West in technology? You get the drift of my problem???

    Centralized control doesn’t work. Neither that of the old style Soviets, nor that of the new style western sponsored oligarchs. At least under the Soviets, the wealth of the USSR, though vastly under developed, was still within the borders of the country, and thereby was potentially available to broadly benefit the people. Whereas under the western sponsored oligarchs, wealth development has improved, but that wealth has been consolidated and taken from the people, leaving them with a mountain of debt and a loss of control of their own economic resources and their own future in return. You get the drift of that problem?

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    I don't have a problem with accurate statements. I don't think you are affirming westbehind's oldfashioned comradespeak or denying that IS's "assets built up over generations of hard work" (I paraphrase from memory) was rather thoughtless rhetoric.
  21. Very nice article, Mr. Shamir.

    I am also fearful that Hillary will somehow win, and that Trump won’t do (or be able to do) anything much of what he says, at worst, to an outsider, he is surely the less dangerous.

    Didn’t know you’d worked on Fleet St., must have been a bit of a party, much annoyance, and very educational.

    Thx again!

  22. Nice essay, Israel Shamir.

    A reminder of the old warning:

    It is not the votes that count, but who counts the votes.

    The winner will be chosen by Zionist America’s ruling Oligarchs.

    The Chosen One is Killery Clinton. Her VP, Kaine, may take over if the psychopath is further disabled.

    The Vice Presidential choices are key to understand this Electoral Circus. They are Siamese Twins, joined at the Zionist Land Thief trough. Kaine & Pence will follow orders, bow at the Wailing Wall, and serve foreign Zionist Oligarch interests.

    If Kaine becomes the unelected President, he will choose Mr. Able to be his VP.

    For the Republic! Regain our Sovereignty, and our Honor!

  23. @Che Guava
    You have the dubious honour of taking up the most non-productive space on the thread.

    Citing the First Amendment, to pose as a US person, then making it clear you are not with

    Oh very droll Prime Minister…
     
    You are fortunate to be able to post here, from your pattern, it would seem that you are one of the people who would report most of the posters here (except the obvious Moslems) and get their comments removed on, say, the Guardian's ludicrously named 'Comment is Free'. I would guess that the OP had the right idea about your nationality, the only writers on 'Graun' that are even more brain-dead than the British are the Australians, and the only commentors who outdo the Australian 'Move On' types for imbecility are the US 'Move On' types.

    Meditate upon that, you may gain a little enlightenment.

    If you had a little knowledge, you would know that westbehind's comments are true, but as a western champagne socialist, it would never occur to you to think about any positive aspects of the USSR to have been retained or recovered in Russia and Belarus, and some of the other components of the former state.

    “Meditate on that”. I am not sure that medidation is something that can be done in the 10 seconds to gather from your post that you do not have the intellugence or the educated intellect to make it worth engaging with you.

    For one example: almost everything you seem to have inferred about me is ridiculously wrong. What you say is about as good as putting words in a hat and pulling them out at random.

    For another your remark that I cite “the First Amendment to pose as a US person” is prima facie an incredibly stupid thing to say, though I suppose you could claim to be merely careless because you’d smoked too much weed. Why think I was posing as any nationality? Why can you not see when someone is simply putting an argument or making a point?

    Did you not immediately think of Citizens United v. FEC? Apparently not. But just because a lot of people like yourself are insular and ignorant to the point where you should hire an educated editorial assistant before you post it doesn’t mean that others wallow in ignorance of the Constitution of the most powerful country in the world.

    As to westbehind’s arrival on UR with the sort of fairy stories about Russian inventions which were an old joke 50 years ago!!! Or would you like to try substantiating your confident assertions of their truth? No I didn’t think so. Nor have you noticed my more important premise which was the failure of socialism to turn potential sources of wealth into actual wealth. I note btw your peculiarly frivolous tossed salad of meaningless words in which you call me, though I was almost deriding the economy of the Union of Soviet *Socialist* Republics, a “champagne socialist”. Are you not ashamed of writing in a literary medium,provided by Ron Unz at considerable cost, with such indifference to the convention that words have meanings and are expected to be used to convey clear ideas truthfully?

    As to “non-productive space” which you say with characteristic sloppiness (or stupidity) that I take up. (I’ll have to explain it to you so it might as well be now. You don’t mean that I took up non-productive space. You mean that I made the space I took up non-productive). What would be “productive space [or use of space]“? Can you cite any amongst your own comments for example? Anyone reliably better informed about something? Any reliable and interesting information that most people would be unaware of? Any reliable correction of misinformation? No, only clumsy utterance of ill formed and ill informed opinion to the best of my recollection.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    I am so happy tn have made you so excited!

    10 seconds to gather from your post that you do not have the intellugence or the educated intellect to make it worth engaging with you
     
    Well, if that is so, you sure do a good job of showing it with two loooong replies.

    As for intellectual superiority, the ball is firmly in my court. You are clearly the product of SJW sites, saying the same things as everybody else somehow has given you the delusion that you have an intellect. News flash: No.


    Can you cite any amongst your own comments for example? Anyone reliably better informed about something? Any reliable and interesting information that most people would be unaware of? Any reliable correction of misinformation?
     
    Ooh, you are bitter. I am sure you have gone through my history of posts in your rage, some informative things and a correction or two there.

    Just going on threads I've participated in where you appeared, you post little but SJW/Move On crap, watered down in an attempt to appeal to your perceptions of most posters here.

    I will leave it at that, can't be bothered replying to most of this, nor to your second outburst.
  24. @Che Guava
    You have the dubious honour of taking up the most non-productive space on the thread.

    Citing the First Amendment, to pose as a US person, then making it clear you are not with

    Oh very droll Prime Minister…
     
    You are fortunate to be able to post here, from your pattern, it would seem that you are one of the people who would report most of the posters here (except the obvious Moslems) and get their comments removed on, say, the Guardian's ludicrously named 'Comment is Free'. I would guess that the OP had the right idea about your nationality, the only writers on 'Graun' that are even more brain-dead than the British are the Australians, and the only commentors who outdo the Australian 'Move On' types for imbecility are the US 'Move On' types.

    Meditate upon that, you may gain a little enlightenment.

    If you had a little knowledge, you would know that westbehind's comments are true, but as a western champagne socialist, it would never occur to you to think about any positive aspects of the USSR to have been retained or recovered in Russia and Belarus, and some of the other components of the former state.

    You mention Belarus. While I had, contrary to your suggeation, absolutely no reason to even mention or consider Belarus let’s see if you are not again just throwing words idly around. Do tell us what good things you know about Belarus (tossing in your learned thoughts onits relations with Russia too). Why not include Chechnya too when you are praising the conditions of life in Belarus? After all Chechnya is actually part of Russia. Do you think your new chum westbehind can give you the stats on maternity leave etc enjoyed in Chechnya in the 21st century?

  25. @woodNfish

    ...the MSM should be broken, democratised and de-monopolised. The US managed to break up the mighty Standard Oil in 1911; it should be possible to break media into small independent companies in 2017. Otherwise, we shall always be fed with propaganda.
     
    I don't know the answer to the problem. Maybe this is it, but something must be done. We need to get rid of ownership across media as well. Disney must be forced to release ABC and no broadcast media should be able to own print media. Perhaps the media companies should even be prevented from owning multiple outlets across the country.

    A close look at corrupt networks such as the AP also needs to take place. And government owned outlets like the BBC need to be banned completely.

    It was Chuchill who established the BBC after WW1. He was a cabinet minister and took it upon himself to establish it.

    Ironically, ironically he set it up to prevent the creation of a pro communist radio network. He knew how both the homegrown ultra left and Soviet agents would take over private sector radio stations
    He felt that a government radio monopoly could be supervised to prevent a communist takeover

    It took a while, but the ultra left just took over the government owned BBC aka the
    Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation.

    Look at the Chicago Tribune and the Los Angeles Times. They and other major papers were very conservative, pro White pro business, anti immigration etc. But now they are full on for the elimination of White Americans. Eradicate Whites has been the liberal cause for decades.

    • Replies: @woodNfish
    Yes, infiltration of media, government entities and schools is all part of communist strategy as outlined by Alinsky who got it from the Italian commie whose name I don't have. The idea is not new, and it works. Nixon created the EPA and it is one of the biggest job and economic growth destroyers in the USA. Its original charter was good, but it has far exceeded that and is why we no longer do any large projects.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Very interesting. I had never heard of Churchill's part in setting up the BBC. So naturally I Googled and consulted Wikipedia and I found not a word or a hint of Churchill's part in the creation of the BBC. The strongest connection I can confect - out of my own general knowledge - is that Churchill took an enthusiastic part in dealing with the 1926 General Strike and that the BBC's founding General Manager John Reith managed to oppose the strike but still make his audience think the BBC gave fair coverage.

    Where did you get the idea? Sounds like something one picks up from Granny and maintains as part of family folklore.

  26. @Clearpoint
    Centralized control doesn't work. Neither that of the old style Soviets, nor that of the new style western sponsored oligarchs. At least under the Soviets, the wealth of the USSR, though vastly under developed, was still within the borders of the country, and thereby was potentially available to broadly benefit the people. Whereas under the western sponsored oligarchs, wealth development has improved, but that wealth has been consolidated and taken from the people, leaving them with a mountain of debt and a loss of control of their own economic resources and their own future in return. You get the drift of that problem?

    I don’t have a problem with accurate statements. I don’t think you are affirming westbehind’s oldfashioned comradespeak or denying that IS’s “assets built up over generations of hard work” (I paraphrase from memory) was rather thoughtless rhetoric.

  27. I do not believe these tragic pictures are being shown in good faith. So many Palestinian children were killed by Israelis, but their pictures never stopped the endless flow of American military aid to Israel.

    As usual, absolute bullshit.

    1) The ratio of casualties between Syria and Gaza is 150:1. Even if it were true that pictures from Syria were 150 times more prominent in the mass media than pictures from Gaza did not this would only demonstrate the media was demonstrating proportion.

    2) It’s not even true. Here is a google image search for “Gaza War”, you can see what each news organisation published for yourself. https://www.google.co.il/search?q=gaza+war&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=667&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNxfSQ5NzOAhXLA8AKHQsGCvgQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=yChIigEmdNn0XM%3A

    “Manipulation not compassion” seems a perfect description for 30 years of Pallywood propaganda in the Western media.

    The last thing Trump needs is his battle to save the U.S., and thus the world, from George Soros, is fake Jewish, Pally loving nutjobs backing him up. Normal people want to take their countries back from globalist elites, they don’t want to hand them over to kooks.

  28. @Alden
    It was Chuchill who established the BBC after WW1. He was a cabinet minister and took it upon himself to establish it.

    Ironically, ironically he set it up to prevent the creation of a pro communist radio network. He knew how both the homegrown ultra left and Soviet agents would take over private sector radio stations
    He felt that a government radio monopoly could be supervised to prevent a communist takeover

    It took a while, but the ultra left just took over the government owned BBC aka the
    Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation.

    Look at the Chicago Tribune and the Los Angeles Times. They and other major papers were very conservative, pro White pro business, anti immigration etc. But now they are full on for the elimination of White Americans. Eradicate Whites has been the liberal cause for decades.

    Yes, infiltration of media, government entities and schools is all part of communist strategy as outlined by Alinsky who got it from the Italian commie whose name I don’t have. The idea is not new, and it works. Nixon created the EPA and it is one of the biggest job and economic growth destroyers in the USA. Its original charter was good, but it has far exceeded that and is why we no longer do any large projects.

  29. @Alden
    It was Chuchill who established the BBC after WW1. He was a cabinet minister and took it upon himself to establish it.

    Ironically, ironically he set it up to prevent the creation of a pro communist radio network. He knew how both the homegrown ultra left and Soviet agents would take over private sector radio stations
    He felt that a government radio monopoly could be supervised to prevent a communist takeover

    It took a while, but the ultra left just took over the government owned BBC aka the
    Bolshevik Broadcasting Corporation.

    Look at the Chicago Tribune and the Los Angeles Times. They and other major papers were very conservative, pro White pro business, anti immigration etc. But now they are full on for the elimination of White Americans. Eradicate Whites has been the liberal cause for decades.

    Very interesting. I had never heard of Churchill’s part in setting up the BBC. So naturally I Googled and consulted Wikipedia and I found not a word or a hint of Churchill’s part in the creation of the BBC. The strongest connection I can confect – out of my own general knowledge – is that Churchill took an enthusiastic part in dealing with the 1926 General Strike and that the BBC’s founding General Manager John Reith managed to oppose the strike but still make his audience think the BBC gave fair coverage.

    Where did you get the idea? Sounds like something one picks up from Granny and maintains as part of family folklore.

    • Replies: @Alden
    It was in several of the many books I have read about communism and 20th century history As far as I remember Churchill sought to establish the BBC as an anti communist government agency a few years before the general strike.
  30. @Wizard of Oz
    No chance of it working unless you do some truly amazing things with your definition of indirect ownership. (You would be more interested in control which would have its definitional problems too).

    If you weren't into defining control then a family could use dozens of corporations each owning a media outlet or a share in one and none of them "owned" by a family member....and that's before it gets subtle and complicated.

    Yes, I know amazing things can be done with corporate structures. That’s why I said a simple law. Perhaps it would actually have to prohibit corporate ownership of media. That would make sense, since free speech is a personal thing, the free press should be owned exclusively by individuals to whom responsibility for every utterance can be attributed.

  31. @Wizard of Oz
    And I forgot to mention the First Amendment which would surely make it very impossible to prevent any legal entity from owning the means to propagate its views in all parts of the US.

    Confining ownership of the press to individuals, i.e., persons not corporations, would not, it seems to me, constitute an abridgment of the freedom of speech, or of the press.

    But the argument may in any case be irrelevant as emerging low-cost, high-impact media such as Breitbart, Unz Review etc., make the corporate media of diminishing political significance. The fear that that is so must underlie Hillary Clinton’s determination to destroy Breitbart.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Yes I think the press is increasingly losing importance but I wonder if you have considered Citizens United v. FEC when rejecting my hypothetical First Amendment argument.
  32. I call it information warfare. because it is. a certain number of people is waging war on the american people.

  33. Every British traitor and anti-Palestinian has very good reasons to hate Jeremy Corbyn – even though Corbyn had claimed of having a few drops of Jewish family blood, and has appointed ‘Minister for Jews’ in his shadow government. Why? Because, Corbyn says that there would never be a permanent peace for Israeli Jews unless their government have peace with Hamas. He also says that a nuclear Iran doesn’t pose any threat to UK or even the Zionist entity.

    Since Jeremy Corbyn won the leadership of UK’s Labour party in September 2015, over fifty top Labour lawmakers have been suspended or fired by the party to appease UK’s powerful pro-Israel Jewish groups and party’s rich Jew donors.

    Last year, Chris Hedges cried at the ‘Truthdig’ news site: Where is our Jeremy Corbyn?.

    Chris Hedges lamented that all the 2016 presidential hopefuls were bending backward to prove that each of them was more dedicated to Israeli and Jewish interests than his opponents.

    “I will not support a politician who sells out the Palestinians and panders to the Israel lobby any more than I will support a politician who refuses to confront the bloated military and arms industry or white supremacy and racial injustice. The Palestinian issue is not a tangential issue. It is an integral part of Americans’ efforts to dismantle our war machine, the neoliberal policies that see austerity and violence as the primary language for speaking to the rest of the world, and the corroding influence of money in the U.S. political system. Stand up to the masters of war and the Israel lobby and you will probably stand up to every other corporate and neoliberal force that is cannibalizing the United States. This is what leadership is about. It is about having a vision. And it is about fighting for that vision,” Hedges said.

    https://rehmat1.com/2015/09/14/pity-us-has-no-jeremy-corbyn-to-stand-for-palestinians/

  34. @John Jeremiah Smith

    "This is exactly what the spin masters wanted: to overflow Europe with refugees, to create there another Coalition of Minorities, to overburden the welfare state and to cause collapse of Europe as an independent entity."
     
    That is the same method being used against the USA. The oligarchs direct the media to produce a blizzard of "human interest" schlock, and the Group Stupid laps it up every time. It is astounding -- millions of people convinced, via an implementation of Goebbel's "Big Lie" propaganda, to commit national and cultural suicide by importing huge numbers of aliens whose cultures are directly inimical to the erstwhile American national ethos.

    Perhaps Lincoln's (apocryphal?) observation that "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time." should be simplified and corrected to "You can fool enough people all the time."

    In your sophomoric reference to “Goebbel’s Big Lie”, Goebbel’s was in fact referring to supremacist Jews / the media doing what you now claim he did.

    Zionist propaganda has done a number on you.

    Get your facts straight.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    I didn't know that either, Wally. The point of the story holds true anyway and only the originator is changed. One learns something every day. I've always believed that eating carrots was good for the eyesight then a learned individual told me recently that it was in fact British wartime propaganda used to hide the fact that they'd discovered and were using radar to hunt down bombers at night. Who knew?
    , @John Jeremiah Smith

    In your sophomoric reference to “Goebbel’s Big Lie”, Goebbel’s was in fact referring to supremacist Jews / the media doing what you now claim he did.
     
    In your infantile exercise of attempting to inflate your own ego by evincing contempt of other people's opinions, you have (one assumes "per the usual") confused attribution. I believe the quote from Goebbels is:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
     
    If you know different, please elucidate.

    With respect to your nasty and uninformed tone, go fuck yourself.
  35. @CanSpeccy
    Confining ownership of the press to individuals, i.e., persons not corporations, would not, it seems to me, constitute an abridgment of the freedom of speech, or of the press.

    But the argument may in any case be irrelevant as emerging low-cost, high-impact media such as Breitbart, Unz Review etc., make the corporate media of diminishing political significance. The fear that that is so must underlie Hillary Clinton's determination to destroy Breitbart.

    Yes I think the press is increasingly losing importance but I wonder if you have considered Citizens United v. FEC when rejecting my hypothetical First Amendment argument.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    I wonder if you have considered Citizens United v. FEC

    LOL

    That's the kind of thing that makes me glad not to be an American!

    interminable legal argument, or anyway, argument to the point of financial exhaustion of one side or the other.

    A constitution is all very well, but a sovereign parliament that can do what needs to be done, when it needs to be done has great advantages in some circumstances.

    The downside to parliamentary government is that parliamentarians are generally under the sway of the Money Power, so as in the US, the people are usually screwed.

  36. @Wizard of Oz
    You sound like an unhappy person. I am reminded by the death of an old friend that he and I once agreed that the world had been going downhill since the 1950s but that for at least 10 years I have been rejecting that view. Perhaps it has something to do with enjoying undeserved good health when contemporaries are beginning to die in increasing numbers (and despite that of course in the case of friends). The point of all of which is to emphasise the subjectivity of one's broad brush judgments though I am sympathetic to a lot of what you say, if not the rather angry way you say it.

    To quibbles. How come the Australian public voted so contrary to the will of the owner of (your figure) 70 per cent of the media? I note btw that John Howard was elected 4 times, not three. As to his unfortunate encouragement of George W. Bush's misbegotten Iraq adventure it is hard to see where he qualifies as war criminal and the average Australian might give him credit for maintaining Australia"s privileged ally position with the US way back then for the loss of one Australian soldier who accidentally shot himself.

    As a fresh thought it occurs to me that the very experienced and eventually very successful politician John Howard may have been a much more emotional person than one might instinctively suppose. Therefore it is indeed likely that being in DC on the day when, just down the road, a plane was flown into the Pentagon and the Twin Towers brought down, he was moved to offer solidly loyal support to his new mate Bush. (He was certainly emotionally intelligent, at least in his successful years and was brilliant at working a big room as well as paying attention to his backbench members. Apparently he enjoyed parties too, without any scandal arising from that).

    What is the great push for Lebensraum in the Middle East that you refer to? Hitler's concept of Lebensraum is now thoroughly outdated unless you are referring to people with still high human fertility but poor technology for food production and little money.

    We all have gone along with etc.... and we all deserve to suffer??? Is this the ethical doctrine of the Green left that I find conservatives describing as having a new religious belief or substitute for religion? Oh well I must remember your reminder to look for assets to snap up for pennies in the dollar. If you can't be sure what the right thing is to do or to think one might as well be practical. I was wondering today whether Singapore wouldn't be the best place to establish one's formal residence. I suppose solar powered aircon would deal with both heat and the smoke from those Indonesian forest fires.

    Spare your tears, I am known as a bit of a character and a laugh a minute by those who flock to be near me. I write not with anger but with a certainty that evil deeds beget evil returns.

    Your quibble on how the Aussies voted contrary to Rupeys will misses the point, they followed him like lambs to the slaughter. The rodent was purely lucky with escaping a high casualty rate, that and the fact that Australians are said to be good soldiers even if they do fight for causes at odds to the Australian dictum of a fair go. Howard knew there were no WMDs as did every other leader who sent troops to Iraq. The people will pay for it by sacrificing future prosperity, as will the US and UK etc.

    You are correct that he was elected 4 times so clearly they aren’t very smart, deserving only good cricket and footy but not good government. I was based in the US for most of that period making lots dough for having fun so thanks for that correction.

    Some privileged ally, the CIA constantly spies on Australia and was behind the dismissal of the best Prime Minister Australia has had in at least a generation. So much for democracy.

    Only fools believe a plane hit the Pentagon. “His mate Bush” haha, Howard was like a blushing schoolgirl merely to be in the idiot’s presence.

    My use of Lebensraum refers to the Yinon Plan, I thought that would be quite plain to any clear thinker but I didn’t anticipate you reading my post.

    Yes do keep an eye out for those bargain strategic assets, I’m sure there will be a seat for you at the table. I can’t imagine a more scintillating dinner guest.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    Only fools believe a plane hit the Pentagon.

    Oh yeah?

    Did you see what did hit the Pentagon?

    I don't think so: the FBI confiscated or shredded all the useful videos.

    Anyway, the question of what hit the Pentagon is not particularly interesting. What's interesting is that the global hegemon, with a multi-trillion-dollar air defense system, failed to intercept whatever it was that hit the Pentagon; that no one was fired for the failure to intercept what hit the Pentagon; and so far as the public is aware, has done nothing during the interim to insure that something similar does not hit the Pentagon in the future.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    ÙI am amazed that you call Whitlam even a good Prime Minister and, when your brain was still functioning properly I doubt that you would have overlooked the reality of his ineptitude in office however painful it might have been. Don't you remember what he let Clyde Cameron, Lionel Murphy, Rex Connor and Jim Cairns get away with, not to mention excesses of Realpolitik wrt the Baltic States and East Timor? But the picture of yourself emerges. One of the first generation at university "It's Time" generation, starry eyed after the end of the fuddy duddy Menzies long reign and its collapse in farce with Bill Macmahon almost making the witty Gough look competent. You went into the almost real world and made more money than most of the commenters on UR. But now you remind me of a friend, perhaps a few years older than you who was a classical schol3ar at an Oxbridge College (though he didn't get a First), had a successful career with a famous American company, has kept quite a bit of his money, can be quite offensive, but does need to "go to the Sahara" from time to time. If ever I had to bet on someone being an alcoholic with a once quite capable brain I would bet on you. Right? By all means continue to be a "bit of a character" but don't take me on on my terms because I am not an alcoholic and you won't have the stamina or persistent care that is needed unless you are content tobe a jolly troll.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    I've just seen your reply to my query about your pseudonym and reference to being picked up by Dad in the Bentley. Wesley I guess but, anyway doesn't affect my diagnostic view. (Actually could be Xavier: I had Catholic forebears who went off the rails coping with modernity).

    I take the opportunity to add that Whitlam himself didn't credit the CIA plot against him conspiracy story. And of course the CIA spies on everyone - doesn't everyone outside Bhutan? - but you surely haven't forgotten Echelon or access to US military technology, once assumed to be superior if not cheap. OF course Australia is a privileged ally - not that it will count for much in 30 years time.

    As to the plane hitting the Pentagon which you are so certain about that you claim only "fools" believe it I come to that with no belief at all about the evidence but, after only a little reading, would require answers to

    1. What happened to Flight 77 and the people in it?
    2. Why discount the evidence of many witnesses who say they saw a twin engined jet airliner hit the Pentagon?
    3. What version of the conspiracy stories makes it credible that the perpetrators would have reason to cook up an elaborate disappearance of Flight 77 and a simulation of a crash into the Pentagon?

  37. @Astuteobservor II
    I call it information warfare. because it is. a certain number of people is waging war on the american people.

    Disinformation warfare more like it.

  38. @Wally
    In your sophomoric reference to "Goebbel’s Big Lie”, Goebbel's was in fact referring to supremacist Jews / the media doing what you now claim he did.

    Zionist propaganda has done a number on you.

    Get your facts straight.

    I didn’t know that either, Wally. The point of the story holds true anyway and only the originator is changed. One learns something every day. I’ve always believed that eating carrots was good for the eyesight then a learned individual told me recently that it was in fact British wartime propaganda used to hide the fact that they’d discovered and were using radar to hunt down bombers at night. Who knew?

  39. @Wally
    In your sophomoric reference to "Goebbel’s Big Lie”, Goebbel's was in fact referring to supremacist Jews / the media doing what you now claim he did.

    Zionist propaganda has done a number on you.

    Get your facts straight.

    In your sophomoric reference to “Goebbel’s Big Lie”, Goebbel’s was in fact referring to supremacist Jews / the media doing what you now claim he did.

    In your infantile exercise of attempting to inflate your own ego by evincing contempt of other people’s opinions, you have (one assumes “per the usual”) confused attribution. I believe the quote from Goebbels is:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

    If you know different, please elucidate.

    With respect to your nasty and uninformed tone, go fuck yourself.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    Goebbels was a serious student and practitioner of the art of propaganda, and he relied for basic insights on Bernays's work and publications on the topic. Bernays was a central contributor to the Wilson administration's Creel Committee and management of information in WWI. Obviously, Bernays came before that of Goebbels, who is said to have kept a copy of Bernays's "Propaganda" near to hand.

    Goebbels had also completed a doctorate in philology and maintained interests in literature and fine arts.
    , @Che Guava
    I have read Goebbels, the quote you cite requires context, which I can't precisely recall.

    Hitler, in Mein Kampf, refers to the big lie technique, antedating at least Goebbels and, likely, Bernays.

    He did not present it as desirable, but as a characteristic of either or both of the Bolsheviks and the German press of the time.

    The Goebbels quote was in a similar context. As I said, I don't recall the exact context, but I do recall my surprise at seeing that he was not proposing it as a desirable thing, but as a tactic of, IIRC, the Bolsheviks. Context is essential for that quote.
  40. @Wizard of Oz
    Yes I think the press is increasingly losing importance but I wonder if you have considered Citizens United v. FEC when rejecting my hypothetical First Amendment argument.

    I wonder if you have considered Citizens United v. FEC

    LOL

    That’s the kind of thing that makes me glad not to be an American!

    interminable legal argument, or anyway, argument to the point of financial exhaustion of one side or the other.

    A constitution is all very well, but a sovereign parliament that can do what needs to be done, when it needs to be done has great advantages in some circumstances.

    The downside to parliamentary government is that parliamentarians are generally under the sway of the Money Power, so as in the US, the people are usually screwed.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    If I were American I would support a move to a Westminster style parliamentary system rather than presidential while possibly retaining much of the Constitution without some of the Bill of Rights enhancements.

    It's hard to say which changes would remove the excessive power of money (from lots of different interests: biofuels, Disney, defence industries, Israel, Saudi Arabia.... just for a start). But the excessive voting power of those who live off taxes should be mentioned too.

    One good defence of politicians against lobbies in Australia has been party discipline and compulsory voting relieving the pressure to get out the vote.
  41. @NoseytheDuke
    Spare your tears, I am known as a bit of a character and a laugh a minute by those who flock to be near me. I write not with anger but with a certainty that evil deeds beget evil returns.

    Your quibble on how the Aussies voted contrary to Rupeys will misses the point, they followed him like lambs to the slaughter. The rodent was purely lucky with escaping a high casualty rate, that and the fact that Australians are said to be good soldiers even if they do fight for causes at odds to the Australian dictum of a fair go. Howard knew there were no WMDs as did every other leader who sent troops to Iraq. The people will pay for it by sacrificing future prosperity, as will the US and UK etc.

    You are correct that he was elected 4 times so clearly they aren't very smart, deserving only good cricket and footy but not good government. I was based in the US for most of that period making lots dough for having fun so thanks for that correction.

    Some privileged ally, the CIA constantly spies on Australia and was behind the dismissal of the best Prime Minister Australia has had in at least a generation. So much for democracy.

    Only fools believe a plane hit the Pentagon. "His mate Bush" haha, Howard was like a blushing schoolgirl merely to be in the idiot's presence.

    My use of Lebensraum refers to the Yinon Plan, I thought that would be quite plain to any clear thinker but I didn't anticipate you reading my post.

    Yes do keep an eye out for those bargain strategic assets, I'm sure there will be a seat for you at the table. I can't imagine a more scintillating dinner guest.

    Only fools believe a plane hit the Pentagon.

    Oh yeah?

    Did you see what did hit the Pentagon?

    I don’t think so: the FBI confiscated or shredded all the useful videos.

    Anyway, the question of what hit the Pentagon is not particularly interesting. What’s interesting is that the global hegemon, with a multi-trillion-dollar air defense system, failed to intercept whatever it was that hit the Pentagon; that no one was fired for the failure to intercept what hit the Pentagon; and so far as the public is aware, has done nothing during the interim to insure that something similar does not hit the Pentagon in the future.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    No I didn't see what hit the Pentagon. The evidence, or lack of evidence, tells me that it wasn't a plane. You might not be particularly interested in what did hit it but there are many who would still have an interest, including me.

    The risk of not holding the individuals responsible to account is not so much a future attack on the Pentagon but is more likely to be the false-flag detonation of a nuclear device in an American city in order to justify a nuclear "response".

    This scenario is growing more and more likely by the day and if Harridan Hillary becomes POTUS (when) the clock will be ticking towards the end of the end game.
    , @Alden
    Weren't some admirals convicted of dereliction of duty or something because of Pearl Harbor?
  42. @John Jeremiah Smith

    In your sophomoric reference to “Goebbel’s Big Lie”, Goebbel’s was in fact referring to supremacist Jews / the media doing what you now claim he did.
     
    In your infantile exercise of attempting to inflate your own ego by evincing contempt of other people's opinions, you have (one assumes "per the usual") confused attribution. I believe the quote from Goebbels is:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
     
    If you know different, please elucidate.

    With respect to your nasty and uninformed tone, go fuck yourself.

    Goebbels was a serious student and practitioner of the art of propaganda, and he relied for basic insights on Bernays’s work and publications on the topic. Bernays was a central contributor to the Wilson administration’s Creel Committee and management of information in WWI. Obviously, Bernays came before that of Goebbels, who is said to have kept a copy of Bernays’s “Propaganda” near to hand.

    Goebbels had also completed a doctorate in philology and maintained interests in literature and fine arts.

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith

    Goebbels was a serious student and practitioner of the art of propaganda, and he relied for basic insights on Bernays’s work and publications on the topic.
     
    If you say so. It's been 20 years since I've paid much attention to events of WWII. Goebbels has been held up as history's archetype "Propaganda Minister" for as long as I can remember, and for what I believe is good reason.

    The Goebbels quote provided above is well-known, as is the "Big Lie" propaganda technique to which I referred.
  43. [The vast wealth of the Soviets, accumulated by the intensive work of generations, has been divided and shared by a few (mainly Jewish) oligarchs.]

    and

    [ So many Palestinian children were killed by Israelis, but their pictures never stopped the endless flow of American military aid to Israel. Palestinians tried to publish photos, and made zero impact.]

    Two obligatory buckets of chum tossed in the water.

    “mainly Jewish” depends on what “mainly” is meant to convey. By all accounts Jewish Oligarchs constitute anywhere in the 10-20% range. You could say e.g., with equal precision, “The U.S. population is mainly Black”

    Palestinians deserve nothing less than citizenship rights in Israel, but less Pallywood style, self-indulgent disinformation should help in that quest.

    • Replies: @Israel Shamir
    Sam, six out of seven prominent oligarchs of Yeltsin's days is hardly 10% )) The rule of Seven Oligarchs, it was called.
    I fully agree with you that Palestinians need and deserve citizenship rights in Israel/Palestine; meanwhile nothing is gained in this aspect.
  44. Article: “Perhaps Trump hoped the Jewish supporters will flock to him, as American Jews embrace and finance every bloody-minded European anti-Muslim nationalist of Netherlands, Denmark or England. But this scheme misfired. Anti-Muslim Jews are plentiful in the US, but they cold-shouldered Trump, as Kevin MacDonald established.”

    Here is sicko Jew think. They lead a gonad life dedicated to death. (The Passover People)

    Israeli Think Tank: Don’t Destroy ISIS – It’s a “Useful Tool” Against Iran, Hezbollah, Syria

    By Ben Norton

    August 24, 2016 “Information Clearing House” – “Salon” – According to a think tank that does contract work for NATO and the Israeli government, the West should not destroy ISIS, the fascist Islamist extremist group that is committing genocide and ethnically cleansing minority groups in Syria and Iraq.

    Why? The so-called Islamic State “can be a useful tool in undermining” Iran, Hezbollah, Syria and Russia, argues the think tank’s director.

    “The continuing existence of IS serves a strategic purpose,” wrote Efraim Inbar in “The Destruction of Islamic State Is a Strategic Mistake,” a paper published on Aug. 2.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45355.htm

    • Replies: @Sherman
    Hi Little Art

    This is great news. Thanks for the share.

    It's great to see Hezbollah, ISIS, Syrians Iranians and all these other wonderful folks butchering and killing each other.

    The Israelis don't have to waste a single bullet while their mortal enemies destroy each other.

    The Israelis can watch the whole thing and laugh!

    Best,
    Sherm

    PS - How's the PORK and beans tonight?
    , @Art
    Hi Sherm,

    I hear you man -- as long as the Arabs are killing each other - you are a happy Little Jew.

    Have you gotten a good whiff of death lately?

    They say fresh Arab blood in the morning is the best.

    Yours - Art

    p.s. Beans and PORK was last night. Slept well and had a good day – thank you!

    p.s. I will not tell Moshe your comment - it will cause him consternation.
  45. Indeed, no foreign enemy, no terror group, no native criminal gang suffers the daily beating that Trump does.

    Trump and his millions of supporters. Who decided to demonize white guys 24/7 for a year? We won’t riot or protest. We will take matters into our own hands.

    Thanks for a great read.

  46. @SolontoCroesus
    Goebbels was a serious student and practitioner of the art of propaganda, and he relied for basic insights on Bernays's work and publications on the topic. Bernays was a central contributor to the Wilson administration's Creel Committee and management of information in WWI. Obviously, Bernays came before that of Goebbels, who is said to have kept a copy of Bernays's "Propaganda" near to hand.

    Goebbels had also completed a doctorate in philology and maintained interests in literature and fine arts.

    Goebbels was a serious student and practitioner of the art of propaganda, and he relied for basic insights on Bernays’s work and publications on the topic.

    If you say so. It’s been 20 years since I’ve paid much attention to events of WWII. Goebbels has been held up as history’s archetype “Propaganda Minister” for as long as I can remember, and for what I believe is good reason.

    The Goebbels quote provided above is well-known, as is the “Big Lie” propaganda technique to which I referred.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    ya gotta laugh.

    "Goebbels has been held up as history’s archetype “Propaganda Minister” for as long as I can remember, and for what I believe is good reason."

    ---> Care to share with us what you "believe" that "good reason" to be?

    Do you "believe" that Goebbels is "history's archetype 'Propaganda Minister'" because it has been repeated relentlessly for all those years, and I daresay ingested uncritically by folks like -- well, never mind.

    The Goebbels quote provided above is well-known, as is the “Big Lie” propaganda technique to which I referred.
     
    A grand if circular irony, ain't it: Goebbels is tagged as "history's archetype "Propaganda Minister" by the repetition of the "Big Lie" technique that the "archetype propagandist learned from Eddie Bernays.

    And the people -- like you-- who willingly participate in spreading the "Big Lie," as Bernays calculated, still buy it.

    We're doomed, I tells ya, doomed.
  47. @John Jeremiah Smith

    Goebbels was a serious student and practitioner of the art of propaganda, and he relied for basic insights on Bernays’s work and publications on the topic.
     
    If you say so. It's been 20 years since I've paid much attention to events of WWII. Goebbels has been held up as history's archetype "Propaganda Minister" for as long as I can remember, and for what I believe is good reason.

    The Goebbels quote provided above is well-known, as is the "Big Lie" propaganda technique to which I referred.

    ya gotta laugh.

    “Goebbels has been held up as history’s archetype “Propaganda Minister” for as long as I can remember, and for what I believe is good reason.

    —> Care to share with us what you “believe” that “good reason” to be?

    Do you “believe” that Goebbels is “history’s archetype ‘Propaganda Minister’” because it has been repeated relentlessly for all those years, and I daresay ingested uncritically by folks like — well, never mind.

    The Goebbels quote provided above is well-known, as is the “Big Lie” propaganda technique to which I referred.

    A grand if circular irony, ain’t it: Goebbels is tagged as “history’s archetype “Propaganda Minister” by the repetition of the “Big Lie” technique that the “archetype propagandist learned from Eddie Bernays.

    And the people — like you– who willingly participate in spreading the “Big Lie,” as Bernays calculated, still buy it.

    We’re doomed, I tells ya, doomed.

    • Replies: @Art

    A grand if circular irony, ain’t it: Goebbels is tagged as “history’s archetype “Propaganda Minister” by the repetition of the “Big Lie” technique that the “archetype propagandist learned from Eddie Bernays.
     
    We all know why Goebbels has such a negative name - JEWS!

    When it comes to WWII and Germans - they control 99% what happens in the Western press.
  48. And the people — like you– who willingly participate in spreading the “Big Lie,” as Bernays calculated, still buy it.

    I cannot imagine what your motives might be in shoveling so deep a pile.

    I referenced a quote from Goebbels about the “Big Lie” propaganda technique. My reference was accurate and verifiable. That you choose to construct some sort of offensive nonsense about people “like me” who participate in spreading the “Big Lie” is absolutely astounding, utterly unfounded, and pure product of paranoid delusion. You appear to have your head inserted so far up a horse’s rectum that retrieval is out of the question.

    Don’t bother — you’re blocked.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
    no, I'm not blocked, I'm right here.

    "I can't hear you" looks like this --

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/ektogamat/2687444500
    , @NoseytheDuke
    JJS, you and SC probably agree on far more than you disagree, based on a casual understanding of your posts. Know your enemy.

    I think SC is merely pointing out that although the saying is commonly attributed to Goebbels, in fact it comes from Bernays, the individual most commonly credited with the creation of what we know as the public relations industry but more accurately called propaganda.

    SC is also pointing out that the fact that you credit Goebbels and not Bernays goes to show how effective the method is. It is even possible to know this and still credit Goebbels because that's how the big lie works.

    I believe that Bernays was the nephew of one Sigmund Freud and may or may not have soiled his pants as a child. Unblock, I say or you'll be the poorer for it. Cheers.
  49. @John Jeremiah Smith

    And the people — like you– who willingly participate in spreading the “Big Lie,” as Bernays calculated, still buy it.
     
    I cannot imagine what your motives might be in shoveling so deep a pile.

    I referenced a quote from Goebbels about the "Big Lie" propaganda technique. My reference was accurate and verifiable. That you choose to construct some sort of offensive nonsense about people "like me" who participate in spreading the "Big Lie" is absolutely astounding, utterly unfounded, and pure product of paranoid delusion. You appear to have your head inserted so far up a horse's rectum that retrieval is out of the question.

    Don't bother -- you're blocked.

    no, I’m not blocked, I’m right here.

    “I can’t hear you” looks like this –

    Three wise monkeys

  50. @SolontoCroesus
    ya gotta laugh.

    "Goebbels has been held up as history’s archetype “Propaganda Minister” for as long as I can remember, and for what I believe is good reason."

    ---> Care to share with us what you "believe" that "good reason" to be?

    Do you "believe" that Goebbels is "history's archetype 'Propaganda Minister'" because it has been repeated relentlessly for all those years, and I daresay ingested uncritically by folks like -- well, never mind.

    The Goebbels quote provided above is well-known, as is the “Big Lie” propaganda technique to which I referred.
     
    A grand if circular irony, ain't it: Goebbels is tagged as "history's archetype "Propaganda Minister" by the repetition of the "Big Lie" technique that the "archetype propagandist learned from Eddie Bernays.

    And the people -- like you-- who willingly participate in spreading the "Big Lie," as Bernays calculated, still buy it.

    We're doomed, I tells ya, doomed.

    A grand if circular irony, ain’t it: Goebbels is tagged as “history’s archetype “Propaganda Minister” by the repetition of the “Big Lie” technique that the “archetype propagandist learned from Eddie Bernays.

    We all know why Goebbels has such a negative name – JEWS!

    When it comes to WWII and Germans – they control 99% what happens in the Western press.

  51. @CanSpeccy
    Only fools believe a plane hit the Pentagon.

    Oh yeah?

    Did you see what did hit the Pentagon?

    I don't think so: the FBI confiscated or shredded all the useful videos.

    Anyway, the question of what hit the Pentagon is not particularly interesting. What's interesting is that the global hegemon, with a multi-trillion-dollar air defense system, failed to intercept whatever it was that hit the Pentagon; that no one was fired for the failure to intercept what hit the Pentagon; and so far as the public is aware, has done nothing during the interim to insure that something similar does not hit the Pentagon in the future.

    No I didn’t see what hit the Pentagon. The evidence, or lack of evidence, tells me that it wasn’t a plane. You might not be particularly interested in what did hit it but there are many who would still have an interest, including me.

    The risk of not holding the individuals responsible to account is not so much a future attack on the Pentagon but is more likely to be the false-flag detonation of a nuclear device in an American city in order to justify a nuclear “response”.

    This scenario is growing more and more likely by the day and if Harridan Hillary becomes POTUS (when) the clock will be ticking towards the end of the end game.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    [but is more likely to be the false-flag detonation of a nuclear device in an American city in order to justify a nuclear “response”.

    This scenario is growing more and more likely by the day and if Harridan Hillary becomes POTUS (when) the clock will be ticking towards the end of the end game.]

    My Dear Lord NtD,
    I concede to none my rank in Hillary fandom, yet she is not nearly that deranged.

    , @CanSpeccy

    No I didn’t see what hit the Pentagon. The evidence, or lack of evidence, tells me that it wasn’t a plane. You might not be particularly interested in what did hit it ...
     
    I share your interest in knowing how the 9/11 attacks were accomplished and who was responsible, but assumptions unsupported by positive evidence or irrefutable logic only add to the confusion on the subject.

    There may, in fact, be conclusive evidence available to the public showing that the Pentagon was not hit by a plane on 9/11, but I am not aware of such evidence.
  52. @Wizard of Oz
    Very interesting. I had never heard of Churchill's part in setting up the BBC. So naturally I Googled and consulted Wikipedia and I found not a word or a hint of Churchill's part in the creation of the BBC. The strongest connection I can confect - out of my own general knowledge - is that Churchill took an enthusiastic part in dealing with the 1926 General Strike and that the BBC's founding General Manager John Reith managed to oppose the strike but still make his audience think the BBC gave fair coverage.

    Where did you get the idea? Sounds like something one picks up from Granny and maintains as part of family folklore.

    It was in several of the many books I have read about communism and 20th century history As far as I remember Churchill sought to establish the BBC as an anti communist government agency a few years before the general strike.

  53. @CanSpeccy
    Only fools believe a plane hit the Pentagon.

    Oh yeah?

    Did you see what did hit the Pentagon?

    I don't think so: the FBI confiscated or shredded all the useful videos.

    Anyway, the question of what hit the Pentagon is not particularly interesting. What's interesting is that the global hegemon, with a multi-trillion-dollar air defense system, failed to intercept whatever it was that hit the Pentagon; that no one was fired for the failure to intercept what hit the Pentagon; and so far as the public is aware, has done nothing during the interim to insure that something similar does not hit the Pentagon in the future.

    Weren’t some admirals convicted of dereliction of duty or something because of Pearl Harbor?

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy

    Weren’t some admirals convicted of dereliction of duty or something because of Pearl Harbor?
     
    The Roberts Commission appointed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt to investigate the attack determined that Kimmel and his counterpart Army Lieutenant General Walter Short were guilty of errors of judgment and dereliction of duty in the events leading up to the attack. Source
  54. @John Jeremiah Smith

    And the people — like you– who willingly participate in spreading the “Big Lie,” as Bernays calculated, still buy it.
     
    I cannot imagine what your motives might be in shoveling so deep a pile.

    I referenced a quote from Goebbels about the "Big Lie" propaganda technique. My reference was accurate and verifiable. That you choose to construct some sort of offensive nonsense about people "like me" who participate in spreading the "Big Lie" is absolutely astounding, utterly unfounded, and pure product of paranoid delusion. You appear to have your head inserted so far up a horse's rectum that retrieval is out of the question.

    Don't bother -- you're blocked.

    JJS, you and SC probably agree on far more than you disagree, based on a casual understanding of your posts. Know your enemy.

    I think SC is merely pointing out that although the saying is commonly attributed to Goebbels, in fact it comes from Bernays, the individual most commonly credited with the creation of what we know as the public relations industry but more accurately called propaganda.

    SC is also pointing out that the fact that you credit Goebbels and not Bernays goes to show how effective the method is. It is even possible to know this and still credit Goebbels because that’s how the big lie works.

    I believe that Bernays was the nephew of one Sigmund Freud and may or may not have soiled his pants as a child. Unblock, I say or you’ll be the poorer for it. Cheers.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    [Unblock, I say ....]

    Carefully though, I'd advise; soiling the stable floor is a distinct concern
    , @John Jeremiah Smith

    I think SC is merely pointing out that although the saying is commonly attributed to Goebbels, in fact it comes from Bernays, the individual most commonly credited with the creation of what we know as the public relations industry but more accurately called propaganda.
     
    Can you provide evidence the "Big Lie" comes from Bernays? If Wikipedia can be trusted on the topic, coinage of the term is first found in Mein Kampf, then developed further by Goebbels.

    Certainly, Bernays was a pioneer in the field of propaganda. So what? When I specifically call out Goebbels, then provide the actual excerpt, why must someone insist the "Big Lie" is from Bernays? No, it is not. Further bullshit is just that -- bullshit.
  55. @art
    Article: "Perhaps Trump hoped the Jewish supporters will flock to him, as American Jews embrace and finance every bloody-minded European anti-Muslim nationalist of Netherlands, Denmark or England. But this scheme misfired. Anti-Muslim Jews are plentiful in the US, but they cold-shouldered Trump, as Kevin MacDonald established."

    Here is sicko Jew think. They lead a gonad life dedicated to death. (The Passover People)

    Israeli Think Tank: Don’t Destroy ISIS - It’s a “Useful Tool” Against Iran, Hezbollah, Syria

    By Ben Norton

    August 24, 2016 "Information Clearing House" - "Salon" - According to a think tank that does contract work for NATO and the Israeli government, the West should not destroy ISIS, the fascist Islamist extremist group that is committing genocide and ethnically cleansing minority groups in Syria and Iraq.

    Why? The so-called Islamic State “can be a useful tool in undermining” Iran, Hezbollah, Syria and Russia, argues the think tank’s director.

    “The continuing existence of IS serves a strategic purpose,” wrote Efraim Inbar in “The Destruction of Islamic State Is a Strategic Mistake,” a paper published on Aug. 2.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45355.htm
     

    Hi Little Art

    This is great news. Thanks for the share.

    It’s great to see Hezbollah, ISIS, Syrians Iranians and all these other wonderful folks butchering and killing each other.

    The Israelis don’t have to waste a single bullet while their mortal enemies destroy each other.

    The Israelis can watch the whole thing and laugh!

    Best,
    Sherm

    PS – How’s the PORK and beans tonight?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Wait, this is tiny 'art'. Is he dizygotic to little 'Art'?
    , @5371
    But no good thing lasts forever, does it Sherm? Even for Jews. Sooner rather than later the Syrian war will be over, and then what will you do?
  56. @JL
    Trump's Muslim bashing has nothing at all to do with the Jews, it's for the evangelicals who passionately hate Muslims and view the world through the prism of a Christian/Islam battle of civilizations. I've seen multiple pollsters raise the question of how Trump, who should have zero appeal among this cohort, could be so popular with evangelicals. This is why.

    A poll came out today, 8/25. White evangelicals are 62 percent for Trump.

  57. @NoseytheDuke
    No I didn't see what hit the Pentagon. The evidence, or lack of evidence, tells me that it wasn't a plane. You might not be particularly interested in what did hit it but there are many who would still have an interest, including me.

    The risk of not holding the individuals responsible to account is not so much a future attack on the Pentagon but is more likely to be the false-flag detonation of a nuclear device in an American city in order to justify a nuclear "response".

    This scenario is growing more and more likely by the day and if Harridan Hillary becomes POTUS (when) the clock will be ticking towards the end of the end game.

    [but is more likely to be the false-flag detonation of a nuclear device in an American city in order to justify a nuclear “response”.

    This scenario is growing more and more likely by the day and if Harridan Hillary becomes POTUS (when) the clock will be ticking towards the end of the end game.]

    My Dear Lord NtD,
    I concede to none my rank in Hillary fandom, yet she is not nearly that deranged.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Polytheist? I would sincerely hope that I am wrong but I doubt it. Some people see storm clouds building and make the connection to the coming storm while others only realise it when they get wet. In any event the POTUS has much less actual power than is generally perceived and a mere glance at the actions of the puppeteers during the last couple of decades would certainly meet my definition of deranged. You're entitled to your own opinion.

    9/11 was a truly audacious false-flag attack which has succeeded in every way beyond expectations so why wouldn't those responsible not be emboldened to even more ambitious connivances?
  58. @NoseytheDuke
    JJS, you and SC probably agree on far more than you disagree, based on a casual understanding of your posts. Know your enemy.

    I think SC is merely pointing out that although the saying is commonly attributed to Goebbels, in fact it comes from Bernays, the individual most commonly credited with the creation of what we know as the public relations industry but more accurately called propaganda.

    SC is also pointing out that the fact that you credit Goebbels and not Bernays goes to show how effective the method is. It is even possible to know this and still credit Goebbels because that's how the big lie works.

    I believe that Bernays was the nephew of one Sigmund Freud and may or may not have soiled his pants as a child. Unblock, I say or you'll be the poorer for it. Cheers.

    [Unblock, I say ....]

    Carefully though, I’d advise; soiling the stable floor is a distinct concern

  59. @Sherman
    Hi Little Art

    This is great news. Thanks for the share.

    It's great to see Hezbollah, ISIS, Syrians Iranians and all these other wonderful folks butchering and killing each other.

    The Israelis don't have to waste a single bullet while their mortal enemies destroy each other.

    The Israelis can watch the whole thing and laugh!

    Best,
    Sherm

    PS - How's the PORK and beans tonight?

    Wait, this is tiny ‘art’. Is he dizygotic to little ‘Art’?

    • Replies: @iffen
    Hi Sam,

    This reminded me of something. I think that you told Art that you aspired to becoming a Big Jew.
    If that happens, will you remember your buds here and give us hints on the secret handshake or whatever? Maybe you could smuggle out a new edition of the Protocols for us.
  60. @Sam Shama
    [but is more likely to be the false-flag detonation of a nuclear device in an American city in order to justify a nuclear “response”.

    This scenario is growing more and more likely by the day and if Harridan Hillary becomes POTUS (when) the clock will be ticking towards the end of the end game.]

    My Dear Lord NtD,
    I concede to none my rank in Hillary fandom, yet she is not nearly that deranged.

    Polytheist? I would sincerely hope that I am wrong but I doubt it. Some people see storm clouds building and make the connection to the coming storm while others only realise it when they get wet. In any event the POTUS has much less actual power than is generally perceived and a mere glance at the actions of the puppeteers during the last couple of decades would certainly meet my definition of deranged. You’re entitled to your own opinion.

    9/11 was a truly audacious false-flag attack which has succeeded in every way beyond expectations so why wouldn’t those responsible not be emboldened to even more ambitious connivances?

  61. @Wizard of Oz
    "Meditate on that". I am not sure that medidation is something that can be done in the 10 seconds to gather from your post that you do not have the intellugence or the educated intellect to make it worth engaging with you.

    For one example: almost everything you seem to have inferred about me is ridiculously wrong. What you say is about as good as putting words in a hat and pulling them out at random.

    For another your remark that I cite "the First Amendment to pose as a US person" is prima facie an incredibly stupid thing to say, though I suppose you could claim to be merely careless because you'd smoked too much weed. Why think I was posing as any nationality? Why can you not see when someone is simply putting an argument or making a point?

    Did you not immediately think of Citizens United v. FEC? Apparently not. But just because a lot of people like yourself are insular and ignorant to the point where you should hire an educated editorial assistant before you post it doesn't mean that others wallow in ignorance of the Constitution of the most powerful country in the world.

    As to westbehind's arrival on UR with the sort of fairy stories about Russian inventions which were an old joke 50 years ago!!! Or would you like to try substantiating your confident assertions of their truth? No I didn't think so. Nor have you noticed my more important premise which was the failure of socialism to turn potential sources of wealth into actual wealth. I note btw your peculiarly frivolous tossed salad of meaningless words in which you call me, though I was almost deriding the economy of the Union of Soviet *Socialist* Republics, a "champagne socialist". Are you not ashamed of writing in a literary medium,provided by Ron Unz at considerable cost, with such indifference to the convention that words have meanings and are expected to be used to convey clear ideas truthfully?

    As to "non-productive space" which you say with characteristic sloppiness (or stupidity) that I take up. (I'll have to explain it to you so it might as well be now. You don't mean that I took up non-productive space. You mean that I made the space I took up non-productive). What would be "productive space [or use of space]"? Can you cite any amongst your own comments for example? Anyone reliably better informed about something? Any reliable and interesting information that most people would be unaware of? Any reliable correction of misinformation? No, only clumsy utterance of ill formed and ill informed opinion to the best of my recollection.

    I am so happy tn have made you so excited!

    10 seconds to gather from your post that you do not have the intellugence or the educated intellect to make it worth engaging with you

    Well, if that is so, you sure do a good job of showing it with two loooong replies.

    As for intellectual superiority, the ball is firmly in my court. You are clearly the product of SJW sites, saying the same things as everybody else somehow has given you the delusion that you have an intellect. News flash: No.

    Can you cite any amongst your own comments for example? Anyone reliably better informed about something? Any reliable and interesting information that most people would be unaware of? Any reliable correction of misinformation?

    Ooh, you are bitter. I am sure you have gone through my history of posts in your rage, some informative things and a correction or two there.

    Just going on threads I’ve participated in where you appeared, you post little but SJW/Move On crap, watered down in an attempt to appeal to your perceptions of most posters here.

    I will leave it at that, can’t be bothered replying to most of this, nor to your second outburst.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    You are are worse than delusional. The idea that I have anything in common with the SJW (a term I learned was current America jargon on UR) is pure selfserving or self-reassuring imagination. And what feat of egotism have you performed to make you think I have bothered to look at *any* of your past posts before challenging you to come up with some meaning to "unproductive"? You have clearly never been involved in a profession where the meaning of words mattered every day - at least until you were called as a witness and your wooly thinking led to your massacre in cross examination.
  62. @art
    Article: "Perhaps Trump hoped the Jewish supporters will flock to him, as American Jews embrace and finance every bloody-minded European anti-Muslim nationalist of Netherlands, Denmark or England. But this scheme misfired. Anti-Muslim Jews are plentiful in the US, but they cold-shouldered Trump, as Kevin MacDonald established."

    Here is sicko Jew think. They lead a gonad life dedicated to death. (The Passover People)

    Israeli Think Tank: Don’t Destroy ISIS - It’s a “Useful Tool” Against Iran, Hezbollah, Syria

    By Ben Norton

    August 24, 2016 "Information Clearing House" - "Salon" - According to a think tank that does contract work for NATO and the Israeli government, the West should not destroy ISIS, the fascist Islamist extremist group that is committing genocide and ethnically cleansing minority groups in Syria and Iraq.

    Why? The so-called Islamic State “can be a useful tool in undermining” Iran, Hezbollah, Syria and Russia, argues the think tank’s director.

    “The continuing existence of IS serves a strategic purpose,” wrote Efraim Inbar in “The Destruction of Islamic State Is a Strategic Mistake,” a paper published on Aug. 2.

    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article45355.htm
     

    Hi Sherm,

    I hear you man — as long as the Arabs are killing each other – you are a happy Little Jew.

    Have you gotten a good whiff of death lately?

    They say fresh Arab blood in the morning is the best.

    Yours – Art

    p.s. Beans and PORK was last night. Slept well and had a good day – thank you!

    p.s. I will not tell Moshe your comment – it will cause him consternation.

  63. @NoseytheDuke
    No I didn't see what hit the Pentagon. The evidence, or lack of evidence, tells me that it wasn't a plane. You might not be particularly interested in what did hit it but there are many who would still have an interest, including me.

    The risk of not holding the individuals responsible to account is not so much a future attack on the Pentagon but is more likely to be the false-flag detonation of a nuclear device in an American city in order to justify a nuclear "response".

    This scenario is growing more and more likely by the day and if Harridan Hillary becomes POTUS (when) the clock will be ticking towards the end of the end game.

    No I didn’t see what hit the Pentagon. The evidence, or lack of evidence, tells me that it wasn’t a plane. You might not be particularly interested in what did hit it …

    I share your interest in knowing how the 9/11 attacks were accomplished and who was responsible, but assumptions unsupported by positive evidence or irrefutable logic only add to the confusion on the subject.

    There may, in fact, be conclusive evidence available to the public showing that the Pentagon was not hit by a plane on 9/11, but I am not aware of such evidence.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    "There may, in fact, be conclusive evidence available to the public showing that the Pentagon was not hit by a plane on 9/11, but I am not aware of such evidence".

    Try looking, do you trust your own eyes? There are pics available online taken immediately following the attack on the Pentagon and before the building structure around the entrance hole collapsed. The hole is quite small and much too small to accommodate the type of aircraft that is alleged to have crashed.

    There are also pics which cleverly show the outline of said plane superimposed against the side of the building and the damage but the area where the engines would have impacted are untouched.

    There is no visible debris in the surrounding area and even the windows adjacent still have the glass intact. THAT is the evidence I cite, feel free to google the pics if you wish but you may draw whatever conclusion you like.
  64. @Alden
    Weren't some admirals convicted of dereliction of duty or something because of Pearl Harbor?

    Weren’t some admirals convicted of dereliction of duty or something because of Pearl Harbor?

    The Roberts Commission appointed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt to investigate the attack determined that Kimmel and his counterpart Army Lieutenant General Walter Short were guilty of errors of judgment and dereliction of duty in the events leading up to the attack. Source

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    Very unfair, in my opinion, since the case that FDR wanted Pearl Harbour to proceed is pretty well established. Scapegoats.
  65. @John Jeremiah Smith

    In your sophomoric reference to “Goebbel’s Big Lie”, Goebbel’s was in fact referring to supremacist Jews / the media doing what you now claim he did.
     
    In your infantile exercise of attempting to inflate your own ego by evincing contempt of other people's opinions, you have (one assumes "per the usual") confused attribution. I believe the quote from Goebbels is:

    “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
     
    If you know different, please elucidate.

    With respect to your nasty and uninformed tone, go fuck yourself.

    I have read Goebbels, the quote you cite requires context, which I can’t precisely recall.

    Hitler, in Mein Kampf, refers to the big lie technique, antedating at least Goebbels and, likely, Bernays.

    He did not present it as desirable, but as a characteristic of either or both of the Bolsheviks and the German press of the time.

    The Goebbels quote was in a similar context. As I said, I don’t recall the exact context, but I do recall my surprise at seeing that he was not proposing it as a desirable thing, but as a tactic of, IIRC, the Bolsheviks. Context is essential for that quote.

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith

    I have read Goebbels, the quote you cite requires context, which I can’t precisely recall.
     
    Oh, goody, let's have a lecture on "context". My favorite topic, and I prefer the Wittgensteinian view.

    So Hitler and Goebbels refer to the "Big Lie" concept in relation to Jews, etc. So what? I used a different context. Go to the top of the chain and read it. If confusion remains, read it again.
    , @animalogic
    I don't quite get this current issue here with Goebbels, Hitler etc and the "big lie". Beyond historical exactitude (nit-picking ?) and regardless of the "context" is anyone actually suggesting the Nazi's did not use the "big lie" technique ? Is anyone suggesting that western governments NOW don't use it ?
  66. @NoseytheDuke
    JJS, you and SC probably agree on far more than you disagree, based on a casual understanding of your posts. Know your enemy.

    I think SC is merely pointing out that although the saying is commonly attributed to Goebbels, in fact it comes from Bernays, the individual most commonly credited with the creation of what we know as the public relations industry but more accurately called propaganda.

    SC is also pointing out that the fact that you credit Goebbels and not Bernays goes to show how effective the method is. It is even possible to know this and still credit Goebbels because that's how the big lie works.

    I believe that Bernays was the nephew of one Sigmund Freud and may or may not have soiled his pants as a child. Unblock, I say or you'll be the poorer for it. Cheers.

    I think SC is merely pointing out that although the saying is commonly attributed to Goebbels, in fact it comes from Bernays, the individual most commonly credited with the creation of what we know as the public relations industry but more accurately called propaganda.

    Can you provide evidence the “Big Lie” comes from Bernays? If Wikipedia can be trusted on the topic, coinage of the term is first found in Mein Kampf, then developed further by Goebbels.

    Certainly, Bernays was a pioneer in the field of propaganda. So what? When I specifically call out Goebbels, then provide the actual excerpt, why must someone insist the “Big Lie” is from Bernays? No, it is not. Further bullshit is just that — bullshit.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    A telling lack of response given the (not unusual) assertiveness before your #67 post! Or maybe I speak too soon and should await the next thrilling diversion.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    You and the Wiz make a splendid pair of matching twats.

    Read my post #55 again and you may (or may not) comprehend that I said no such thing about Bernays. I did say that I thought SC was pointing out that the quote came from Bernays, there is a difference but you may need to enlist a person with some reading comprehension ability to assist you in understanding it.

    I also remarked #39 that attribution changed very little as to the concept behind the big lie.

    You pair are like a pair of litterbugs trashing up this lovely neighbourhood. Little wonder Ron Unz gets a little frustrated dealing with idiots who nitpick about articles on books they've never read.

    Having to address questions that have already been asked and answered on this very page and then have the temerity to offer suggestions as to how he can improve this excellent website.

    Here's my suggestion, you twats should fuck off and play somewhere else, now that WOULD improve this website!

    Not just twats, matching moronic twats!
  67. @Che Guava
    I have read Goebbels, the quote you cite requires context, which I can't precisely recall.

    Hitler, in Mein Kampf, refers to the big lie technique, antedating at least Goebbels and, likely, Bernays.

    He did not present it as desirable, but as a characteristic of either or both of the Bolsheviks and the German press of the time.

    The Goebbels quote was in a similar context. As I said, I don't recall the exact context, but I do recall my surprise at seeing that he was not proposing it as a desirable thing, but as a tactic of, IIRC, the Bolsheviks. Context is essential for that quote.

    I have read Goebbels, the quote you cite requires context, which I can’t precisely recall.

    Oh, goody, let’s have a lecture on “context”. My favorite topic, and I prefer the Wittgensteinian view.

    So Hitler and Goebbels refer to the “Big Lie” concept in relation to Jews, etc. So what? I used a different context. Go to the top of the chain and read it. If confusion remains, read it again.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    A cheap shot isn't it? Wasn't he suggesting that Goebbels was not advocating the Big Lie (at least not in the quote generally held against him) but that he brought it up as a Bolshevik propaganda tool?
    , @Che Guava
    You only reveal that you are a fool and likely a liar by claiming that context counts for nothing. Below is one genuine quote from Goebbels where he uses the term.

    One should not as a rule reveal one’s secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.
     
    The widely disseminated quote that you cite may well not exist, read his diaries and works on propaganda, he emphasised the need to base propaganda on truth.

    I think the latter had something like the quote you cite, but read it over twenty years ago, so am not sure whether or not I conflated it with Hitler's.

    Can you name or find the title of the source?

    If not, it is a fake.

    From Mein Kampf

    In this they proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads, and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others.…” (p. 231 of the Manheim translation)
     
    You really are a fool. Working in a tag-team as a pair of antipodean morons?
  68. @CanSpeccy

    No I didn’t see what hit the Pentagon. The evidence, or lack of evidence, tells me that it wasn’t a plane. You might not be particularly interested in what did hit it ...
     
    I share your interest in knowing how the 9/11 attacks were accomplished and who was responsible, but assumptions unsupported by positive evidence or irrefutable logic only add to the confusion on the subject.

    There may, in fact, be conclusive evidence available to the public showing that the Pentagon was not hit by a plane on 9/11, but I am not aware of such evidence.

    “There may, in fact, be conclusive evidence available to the public showing that the Pentagon was not hit by a plane on 9/11, but I am not aware of such evidence”.

    Try looking, do you trust your own eyes? There are pics available online taken immediately following the attack on the Pentagon and before the building structure around the entrance hole collapsed. The hole is quite small and much too small to accommodate the type of aircraft that is alleged to have crashed.

    There are also pics which cleverly show the outline of said plane superimposed against the side of the building and the damage but the area where the engines would have impacted are untouched.

    There is no visible debris in the surrounding area and even the windows adjacent still have the glass intact. THAT is the evidence I cite, feel free to google the pics if you wish but you may draw whatever conclusion you like.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy

    Try looking, do you trust your own eyes?
     
    I've looked at lots of photos, and I do trust my own eyes.

    What I don't trust is the assumption that I, as a person untrained in photo-analysis and without the expertise to judge what happens when a lightweight hollow aluminum structure impacts a concrete wall at high speed, can accurately infer from some random pictures on the internet what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11.

    It is the blithe assumption of forensic expertise by non-experts that makes virtually all debate about 9/11 so utterly futile. It also makes it easy for the defenders of the official 9/11 story to dismiss 9/11 Truthers as paranoids and ignoramuses.

    The US Government did not want or allow a proper investigation of 9/11 having announced the day of the attack that Bin Laden was responsible. Moreover the attack was the catalyzing event the US required for intended wars on Afghanistan and Iraq. So what more does anyone really need to know? And if you do want to know more, looking at the 9/11 debris on the Pentagon lawn seems among the worst places to start looking.
  69. @John Jeremiah Smith

    I think SC is merely pointing out that although the saying is commonly attributed to Goebbels, in fact it comes from Bernays, the individual most commonly credited with the creation of what we know as the public relations industry but more accurately called propaganda.
     
    Can you provide evidence the "Big Lie" comes from Bernays? If Wikipedia can be trusted on the topic, coinage of the term is first found in Mein Kampf, then developed further by Goebbels.

    Certainly, Bernays was a pioneer in the field of propaganda. So what? When I specifically call out Goebbels, then provide the actual excerpt, why must someone insist the "Big Lie" is from Bernays? No, it is not. Further bullshit is just that -- bullshit.

    A telling lack of response given the (not unusual) assertiveness before your #67 post! Or maybe I speak too soon and should await the next thrilling diversion.

  70. @John Jeremiah Smith

    "This is exactly what the spin masters wanted: to overflow Europe with refugees, to create there another Coalition of Minorities, to overburden the welfare state and to cause collapse of Europe as an independent entity."
     
    That is the same method being used against the USA. The oligarchs direct the media to produce a blizzard of "human interest" schlock, and the Group Stupid laps it up every time. It is astounding -- millions of people convinced, via an implementation of Goebbel's "Big Lie" propaganda, to commit national and cultural suicide by importing huge numbers of aliens whose cultures are directly inimical to the erstwhile American national ethos.

    Perhaps Lincoln's (apocryphal?) observation that "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time." should be simplified and corrected to "You can fool enough people all the time."

    “You can fool enough people all the time.” Spot on !

  71. @CanSpeccy
    I wonder if you have considered Citizens United v. FEC

    LOL

    That's the kind of thing that makes me glad not to be an American!

    interminable legal argument, or anyway, argument to the point of financial exhaustion of one side or the other.

    A constitution is all very well, but a sovereign parliament that can do what needs to be done, when it needs to be done has great advantages in some circumstances.

    The downside to parliamentary government is that parliamentarians are generally under the sway of the Money Power, so as in the US, the people are usually screwed.

    If I were American I would support a move to a Westminster style parliamentary system rather than presidential while possibly retaining much of the Constitution without some of the Bill of Rights enhancements.

    It’s hard to say which changes would remove the excessive power of money (from lots of different interests: biofuels, Disney, defence industries, Israel, Saudi Arabia…. just for a start). But the excessive voting power of those who live off taxes should be mentioned too.

    One good defence of politicians against lobbies in Australia has been party discipline and compulsory voting relieving the pressure to get out the vote.

  72. @John Jeremiah Smith

    I have read Goebbels, the quote you cite requires context, which I can’t precisely recall.
     
    Oh, goody, let's have a lecture on "context". My favorite topic, and I prefer the Wittgensteinian view.

    So Hitler and Goebbels refer to the "Big Lie" concept in relation to Jews, etc. So what? I used a different context. Go to the top of the chain and read it. If confusion remains, read it again.

    A cheap shot isn’t it? Wasn’t he suggesting that Goebbels was not advocating the Big Lie (at least not in the quote generally held against him) but that he brought it up as a Bolshevik propaganda tool?

  73. @Wizard of Oz
    You sound like an unhappy person. I am reminded by the death of an old friend that he and I once agreed that the world had been going downhill since the 1950s but that for at least 10 years I have been rejecting that view. Perhaps it has something to do with enjoying undeserved good health when contemporaries are beginning to die in increasing numbers (and despite that of course in the case of friends). The point of all of which is to emphasise the subjectivity of one's broad brush judgments though I am sympathetic to a lot of what you say, if not the rather angry way you say it.

    To quibbles. How come the Australian public voted so contrary to the will of the owner of (your figure) 70 per cent of the media? I note btw that John Howard was elected 4 times, not three. As to his unfortunate encouragement of George W. Bush's misbegotten Iraq adventure it is hard to see where he qualifies as war criminal and the average Australian might give him credit for maintaining Australia"s privileged ally position with the US way back then for the loss of one Australian soldier who accidentally shot himself.

    As a fresh thought it occurs to me that the very experienced and eventually very successful politician John Howard may have been a much more emotional person than one might instinctively suppose. Therefore it is indeed likely that being in DC on the day when, just down the road, a plane was flown into the Pentagon and the Twin Towers brought down, he was moved to offer solidly loyal support to his new mate Bush. (He was certainly emotionally intelligent, at least in his successful years and was brilliant at working a big room as well as paying attention to his backbench members. Apparently he enjoyed parties too, without any scandal arising from that).

    What is the great push for Lebensraum in the Middle East that you refer to? Hitler's concept of Lebensraum is now thoroughly outdated unless you are referring to people with still high human fertility but poor technology for food production and little money.

    We all have gone along with etc.... and we all deserve to suffer??? Is this the ethical doctrine of the Green left that I find conservatives describing as having a new religious belief or substitute for religion? Oh well I must remember your reminder to look for assets to snap up for pennies in the dollar. If you can't be sure what the right thing is to do or to think one might as well be practical. I was wondering today whether Singapore wouldn't be the best place to establish one's formal residence. I suppose solar powered aircon would deal with both heat and the smoke from those Indonesian forest fires.

    Re: John Howard. I have never liked him, however I will admit he was an astute politician. He was also a very LUCKY one. 4 terms, but what really helped him ?
    The greatest resources boom in Australia’s history: the money just came slushing in (we can argue how much they wasted, but it’s hard to avoid the view he installed a fundamentally unsustainable budget structure).
    Howard was lucky the opposition had one dud leader after another.
    He was able to profitably exploit the whole immigration/illegals/people smugglers business..ah, the golden days of “kids overboard”.
    And, I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that NO government, before or after has spent such vast public sums hyping their own partisan programs.
    Oh, he was also lucky he had a treasurer so lacking in “ticker” he couldn’t bring himself to challenge — even in the final years when many in the party thought he should have.
    So, John Howard, “the deputy” … what do we say these days? Oh, yes: “whatever”….

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    I too have always been ambivalent about John Howard but came to respect him as a thoroughly professional politician - a breed which I was primed to value from when I was given F.S. Oliver's "The Endless Adventure" to read at the age of 18. (Very many years later Bob Hawke enthused about one volume which he may not have realised was Vol 1 of 3 though I think the title to all or most of it "In Praise of Politicians" may have stuck in his memory. Bernard Crick's "In Defence of Politics" could have reinforced the same ideas).

    Certainly Beazley had problems finding a way for his deeply divided party (old working class and new class teachers, public servants, "doctors wives", left wing environmentalists) to deal with the economic migrants mixed with the smuggled refugees on leaky fishing boats from safe countries like Indonesia. But hardly a dud. The only real dud was the egregious maddie Latham.

    If you are right about the causes of Australia's happy budgetary situation until Rudd and Swan took ill considered debt funded stimulus too far (and stuck to existing Howard tax cuts) please supply the figures.

    My tecollection is that the coal and iron ore bonanza from China didn't arrive till about 2006 although work on opening up mines was important.

    Costello certainly had the frugal instincts of his Baptist upbringing and cut expenditure from 1996 while taking advantage of the deferred bigtime rejection of Keating in 1996. Howard's decision to put the GST (VAT for Europeans - and only at 10 per cent) to the test of election in 1998 was brave (as had been his gun buyback) and contributed to Australia's fiscal health for a while. It is ironic that Howardin the end did yo Costsllu as Treasurer what Fraser had done to him in 1982-83. That is to say the big spending election buying PM stuffs up his Treasurer's prudent plans - in both cases without winning the election - and, in the 2007 case, without a Labor opponent who would do better than promise to match the improvidence. Still Howard must have supported Costello's initiatives like the Future Fund and Intergenerational Reports which the son of a small businessman (rather than, say Green inner urban school teachers) could be expected to think prudent.

    The "unsustainable budget structure" wouldn't have been nearly as much of a problem for Howard to deal with as for his Labor successors who had joined in the pretence that the excessive giveaways to the middle class could be permanent and went on to make it worse or at least promise to.

    Of course Costello should have replaced Howard in 2007 but it wasn't so much his lack of "ticker" that prevented it. It was his absurd and prissy response to an old colleague's disclosure of an almost-deal he had with Howard in 1995 that meant his colleagues simply didn't want him. Implying without actually saying Howard was lying was surely too much even for those who could see their seats being lost.

    , @NoseytheDuke
    Not to forget either that the Lying Rodent sold off Australian gold bullion at record LOW prices, privatised Telecom at the very dawn of the digital age thus sabotaging the one technology that would have ended "the tyranny of distance", he sold off the world's safest blood supply too, I could go on and on and never enter the head of the blowhard Windbag of Oz, must be the air pressure within, that or a Howard fetish.

    "Essential infrastructure is vital to the wellbeing and security of the nation and is thus too important to be left to the whims of profit". Friedrich List
    , @Kiza
    John Howard is definitely a war criminal for sending Australian troops to kill Iraqis and Afghanis, who have done nothing to Australia. By definition, his were the wars of aggression and it does not matter that he was doing it on behalf of US, it probably makes it worse because it was even less necessary than the US attack on these nations. But it is true that hyenas kill prey in packs, where they feel safe, thus he operated under the criminal term the "International Community".
  74. @Sam Shama
    [The vast wealth of the Soviets, accumulated by the intensive work of generations, has been divided and shared by a few (mainly Jewish) oligarchs.]

    and

    [ So many Palestinian children were killed by Israelis, but their pictures never stopped the endless flow of American military aid to Israel. Palestinians tried to publish photos, and made zero impact.]

    Two obligatory buckets of chum tossed in the water.

    "mainly Jewish" depends on what "mainly" is meant to convey. By all accounts Jewish Oligarchs constitute anywhere in the 10-20% range. You could say e.g., with equal precision, "The U.S. population is mainly Black"

    Palestinians deserve nothing less than citizenship rights in Israel, but less Pallywood style, self-indulgent disinformation should help in that quest.

    Sam, six out of seven prominent oligarchs of Yeltsin’s days is hardly 10% )) The rule of Seven Oligarchs, it was called.
    I fully agree with you that Palestinians need and deserve citizenship rights in Israel/Palestine; meanwhile nothing is gained in this aspect.

  75. @Che Guava
    I have read Goebbels, the quote you cite requires context, which I can't precisely recall.

    Hitler, in Mein Kampf, refers to the big lie technique, antedating at least Goebbels and, likely, Bernays.

    He did not present it as desirable, but as a characteristic of either or both of the Bolsheviks and the German press of the time.

    The Goebbels quote was in a similar context. As I said, I don't recall the exact context, but I do recall my surprise at seeing that he was not proposing it as a desirable thing, but as a tactic of, IIRC, the Bolsheviks. Context is essential for that quote.

    I don’t quite get this current issue here with Goebbels, Hitler etc and the “big lie”. Beyond historical exactitude (nit-picking ?) and regardless of the “context” is anyone actually suggesting the Nazi’s did not use the “big lie” technique ? Is anyone suggesting that western governments NOW don’t use it ?

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Agreed. See comment #39
    , @Che Guava
    Dear animalogic,

    Of course historical exactitude matters, as far as it is possible to find it.

    The neocons in the USA constantly use the big lie. Look at the iraq invasion, weird policy towards Syria, wish to make war upon Iran.

    From my reading of history, the only time the NSDAP used the big lie tactic until after Stalingrad (when the big lie only consisted of understating defeats and making pop culture more and more cheery, Japan was the same as US/near-dead Brit. Empire etc. victory became more and more clear) was in the Sudetenland.

    If I could choose one and only one lost ancient work to magically recover, it wouldn't be a missing play by Sophocles or Aeschylus, but Famous Whores of History by Suetonius. Would love to read it.

    Cheers.
    , @John Jeremiah Smith

    I don’t quite get this current issue here with Goebbels, Hitler etc and the “big lie”. Beyond historical exactitude (nit-picking ?) and regardless of the “context” is anyone actually suggesting the Nazi’s did not use the “big lie” technique ? Is anyone suggesting that western governments NOW don’t use it ?
     
    You don't get it? That may be because it doesn't make sense (excuse my amusement at the fact that it makes no sense in context either). If you are a person who notices when things don't make sense, then you are put at a disadvantage by the form of "distractionizing" manifested by the Stupids. It's how they get that sense of superiority so important to their self-image.

    If you read the reply chain, you will see that I mentioned, at the top, the Goebbels' "Big Lie" characterization. SC was irritated that I failed to mention Bernays -- God only knows why ... maybe Bernays was his homeroom teacher back in 7th grade, and some form of Bernays fixation developed in the young lad. Anyway, SC windily berates me for not attributing Bernays. Then the rest of the Stupids jumped in about context, Bolsheviks, Israeli conspiracies, and the rest of the typical ration of wackadoodle one finds on these "forums".

    Bernays. Sheesh.
  76. @animalogic
    Re: John Howard. I have never liked him, however I will admit he was an astute politician. He was also a very LUCKY one. 4 terms, but what really helped him ?
    The greatest resources boom in Australia's history: the money just came slushing in (we can argue how much they wasted, but it's hard to avoid the view he installed a fundamentally unsustainable budget structure).
    Howard was lucky the opposition had one dud leader after another.
    He was able to profitably exploit the whole immigration/illegals/people smugglers business..ah, the golden days of "kids overboard".
    And, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that NO government, before or after has spent such vast public sums hyping their own partisan programs.
    Oh, he was also lucky he had a treasurer so lacking in "ticker" he couldn't bring himself to challenge -- even in the final years when many in the party thought he should have.
    So, John Howard, "the deputy" ... what do we say these days? Oh, yes: "whatever"....

    I too have always been ambivalent about John Howard but came to respect him as a thoroughly professional politician – a breed which I was primed to value from when I was given F.S. Oliver’s “The Endless Adventure” to read at the age of 18. (Very many years later Bob Hawke enthused about one volume which he may not have realised was Vol 1 of 3 though I think the title to all or most of it “In Praise of Politicians” may have stuck in his memory. Bernard Crick’s “In Defence of Politics” could have reinforced the same ideas).

    Certainly Beazley had problems finding a way for his deeply divided party (old working class and new class teachers, public servants, “doctors wives”, left wing environmentalists) to deal with the economic migrants mixed with the smuggled refugees on leaky fishing boats from safe countries like Indonesia. But hardly a dud. The only real dud was the egregious maddie Latham.

    If you are right about the causes of Australia’s happy budgetary situation until Rudd and Swan took ill considered debt funded stimulus too far (and stuck to existing Howard tax cuts) please supply the figures.

    My tecollection is that the coal and iron ore bonanza from China didn’t arrive till about 2006 although work on opening up mines was important.

    Costello certainly had the frugal instincts of his Baptist upbringing and cut expenditure from 1996 while taking advantage of the deferred bigtime rejection of Keating in 1996. Howard’s decision to put the GST (VAT for Europeans – and only at 10 per cent) to the test of election in 1998 was brave (as had been his gun buyback) and contributed to Australia’s fiscal health for a while. It is ironic that Howardin the end did yo Costsllu as Treasurer what Fraser had done to him in 1982-83. That is to say the big spending election buying PM stuffs up his Treasurer’s prudent plans – in both cases without winning the election – and, in the 2007 case, without a Labor opponent who would do better than promise to match the improvidence. Still Howard must have supported Costello’s initiatives like the Future Fund and Intergenerational Reports which the son of a small businessman (rather than, say Green inner urban school teachers) could be expected to think prudent.

    The “unsustainable budget structure” wouldn’t have been nearly as much of a problem for Howard to deal with as for his Labor successors who had joined in the pretence that the excessive giveaways to the middle class could be permanent and went on to make it worse or at least promise to.

    Of course Costello should have replaced Howard in 2007 but it wasn’t so much his lack of “ticker” that prevented it. It was his absurd and prissy response to an old colleague’s disclosure of an almost-deal he had with Howard in 1995 that meant his colleagues simply didn’t want him. Implying without actually saying Howard was lying was surely too much even for those who could see their seats being lost.

  77. @animalogic
    Re: John Howard. I have never liked him, however I will admit he was an astute politician. He was also a very LUCKY one. 4 terms, but what really helped him ?
    The greatest resources boom in Australia's history: the money just came slushing in (we can argue how much they wasted, but it's hard to avoid the view he installed a fundamentally unsustainable budget structure).
    Howard was lucky the opposition had one dud leader after another.
    He was able to profitably exploit the whole immigration/illegals/people smugglers business..ah, the golden days of "kids overboard".
    And, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that NO government, before or after has spent such vast public sums hyping their own partisan programs.
    Oh, he was also lucky he had a treasurer so lacking in "ticker" he couldn't bring himself to challenge -- even in the final years when many in the party thought he should have.
    So, John Howard, "the deputy" ... what do we say these days? Oh, yes: "whatever"....

    Not to forget either that the Lying Rodent sold off Australian gold bullion at record LOW prices, privatised Telecom at the very dawn of the digital age thus sabotaging the one technology that would have ended “the tyranny of distance”, he sold off the world’s safest blood supply too, I could go on and on and never enter the head of the blowhard Windbag of Oz, must be the air pressure within, that or a Howard fetish.

    “Essential infrastructure is vital to the wellbeing and security of the nation and is thus too important to be left to the whims of profit”. Friedrich List

  78. @John Jeremiah Smith

    I think SC is merely pointing out that although the saying is commonly attributed to Goebbels, in fact it comes from Bernays, the individual most commonly credited with the creation of what we know as the public relations industry but more accurately called propaganda.
     
    Can you provide evidence the "Big Lie" comes from Bernays? If Wikipedia can be trusted on the topic, coinage of the term is first found in Mein Kampf, then developed further by Goebbels.

    Certainly, Bernays was a pioneer in the field of propaganda. So what? When I specifically call out Goebbels, then provide the actual excerpt, why must someone insist the "Big Lie" is from Bernays? No, it is not. Further bullshit is just that -- bullshit.

    You and the Wiz make a splendid pair of matching twats.

    Read my post #55 again and you may (or may not) comprehend that I said no such thing about Bernays. I did say that I thought SC was pointing out that the quote came from Bernays, there is a difference but you may need to enlist a person with some reading comprehension ability to assist you in understanding it.

    I also remarked #39 that attribution changed very little as to the concept behind the big lie.

    You pair are like a pair of litterbugs trashing up this lovely neighbourhood. Little wonder Ron Unz gets a little frustrated dealing with idiots who nitpick about articles on books they’ve never read.

    Having to address questions that have already been asked and answered on this very page and then have the temerity to offer suggestions as to how he can improve this excellent website.

    Here’s my suggestion, you twats should fuck off and play somewhere else, now that WOULD improve this website!

    Not just twats, matching moronic twats!

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith

    Read my post #55 again and you may (or may not) comprehend that I said no such thing about Bernays. I did say that I thought SC was pointing out that the quote came from Bernays
     
    LOL. First, you said nothing about Bernays, then you said something about Bernays? Do tell.

    My original comment said nothing about Bernays at all. I have no interest in Bernays. Solonto waxed eloquent, and at typical great length about Bernays. I said right away -- no interest in Bernays. You chime in and pop off some more utterly irrelevant commentary viz. Bernays.

    How's this all working for ya? Are y'all maxed-out on Bernays yet? I said nothing about Bernays, intended nothing about Bernays, have no interest whatsoever in Bernays. The "Big Lie" quote did not come from Bernays, but Goebbels. Bernays is not the originator of "Big Lie" characterization; that honor belongs to Adolf Hitler.

    Got that? You have been added to the "Ignore" list. I suggest you do the same to my ID from your end. Spare yourself some heartburn, ay, Mac?

    Oh, I do agree with you about Mr. Whiz. I've "Ignored" him, too. This "Ignore" stuff works like a charm. Love it.

    , @Che Guava
    What a jerk that John Jeremiah Smith is, you should be honoured to be on his 'ignore' list. A newb, too. I'd have banned already if I were a mod here, but I am not, and I appreciate the freedom of speech on the site.

    He and one or two others seem to be conducting a co-ordinated attack.

    You can be sure that such an asinine leftoid troll will stop ignoring you if you deliver stinging replies to his stupid posts.

    Cheers.
  79. @Che Guava
    I am so happy tn have made you so excited!

    10 seconds to gather from your post that you do not have the intellugence or the educated intellect to make it worth engaging with you
     
    Well, if that is so, you sure do a good job of showing it with two loooong replies.

    As for intellectual superiority, the ball is firmly in my court. You are clearly the product of SJW sites, saying the same things as everybody else somehow has given you the delusion that you have an intellect. News flash: No.


    Can you cite any amongst your own comments for example? Anyone reliably better informed about something? Any reliable and interesting information that most people would be unaware of? Any reliable correction of misinformation?
     
    Ooh, you are bitter. I am sure you have gone through my history of posts in your rage, some informative things and a correction or two there.

    Just going on threads I've participated in where you appeared, you post little but SJW/Move On crap, watered down in an attempt to appeal to your perceptions of most posters here.

    I will leave it at that, can't be bothered replying to most of this, nor to your second outburst.

    You are are worse than delusional. The idea that I have anything in common with the SJW (a term I learned was current America jargon on UR) is pure selfserving or self-reassuring imagination. And what feat of egotism have you performed to make you think I have bothered to look at *any* of your past posts before challenging you to come up with some meaning to “unproductive”? You have clearly never been involved in a profession where the meaning of words mattered every day – at least until you were called as a witness and your wooly thinking led to your massacre in cross examination.

  80. @animalogic
    I don't quite get this current issue here with Goebbels, Hitler etc and the "big lie". Beyond historical exactitude (nit-picking ?) and regardless of the "context" is anyone actually suggesting the Nazi's did not use the "big lie" technique ? Is anyone suggesting that western governments NOW don't use it ?

    Agreed. See comment #39

  81. @NoseytheDuke
    Spare your tears, I am known as a bit of a character and a laugh a minute by those who flock to be near me. I write not with anger but with a certainty that evil deeds beget evil returns.

    Your quibble on how the Aussies voted contrary to Rupeys will misses the point, they followed him like lambs to the slaughter. The rodent was purely lucky with escaping a high casualty rate, that and the fact that Australians are said to be good soldiers even if they do fight for causes at odds to the Australian dictum of a fair go. Howard knew there were no WMDs as did every other leader who sent troops to Iraq. The people will pay for it by sacrificing future prosperity, as will the US and UK etc.

    You are correct that he was elected 4 times so clearly they aren't very smart, deserving only good cricket and footy but not good government. I was based in the US for most of that period making lots dough for having fun so thanks for that correction.

    Some privileged ally, the CIA constantly spies on Australia and was behind the dismissal of the best Prime Minister Australia has had in at least a generation. So much for democracy.

    Only fools believe a plane hit the Pentagon. "His mate Bush" haha, Howard was like a blushing schoolgirl merely to be in the idiot's presence.

    My use of Lebensraum refers to the Yinon Plan, I thought that would be quite plain to any clear thinker but I didn't anticipate you reading my post.

    Yes do keep an eye out for those bargain strategic assets, I'm sure there will be a seat for you at the table. I can't imagine a more scintillating dinner guest.

    ÙI am amazed that you call Whitlam even a good Prime Minister and, when your brain was still functioning properly I doubt that you would have overlooked the reality of his ineptitude in office however painful it might have been. Don’t you remember what he let Clyde Cameron, Lionel Murphy, Rex Connor and Jim Cairns get away with, not to mention excesses of Realpolitik wrt the Baltic States and East Timor? But the picture of yourself emerges. One of the first generation at university “It’s Time” generation, starry eyed after the end of the fuddy duddy Menzies long reign and its collapse in farce with Bill Macmahon almost making the witty Gough look competent. You went into the almost real world and made more money than most of the commenters on UR. But now you remind me of a friend, perhaps a few years older than you who was a classical schol3ar at an Oxbridge College (though he didn’t get a First), had a successful career with a famous American company, has kept quite a bit of his money, can be quite offensive, but does need to “go to the Sahara” from time to time. If ever I had to bet on someone being an alcoholic with a once quite capable brain I would bet on you. Right? By all means continue to be a “bit of a character” but don’t take me on on my terms because I am not an alcoholic and you won’t have the stamina or persistent care that is needed unless you are content tobe a jolly troll.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    I did in fact make lots dough in the US but prior to that I made money the old fashioned way, I inherited it. Who cares?

    Christopher Boyce made it crystal clear that the CIA pulled the strings to remove Gough Whitlam. Did you see the amazing response from the people when he passed away? Wow! It was way better than the crickets we'll hear at the news of your passing although that last exhale of yours might have people thinking there's a tornado happening.
  82. @NoseytheDuke
    Spare your tears, I am known as a bit of a character and a laugh a minute by those who flock to be near me. I write not with anger but with a certainty that evil deeds beget evil returns.

    Your quibble on how the Aussies voted contrary to Rupeys will misses the point, they followed him like lambs to the slaughter. The rodent was purely lucky with escaping a high casualty rate, that and the fact that Australians are said to be good soldiers even if they do fight for causes at odds to the Australian dictum of a fair go. Howard knew there were no WMDs as did every other leader who sent troops to Iraq. The people will pay for it by sacrificing future prosperity, as will the US and UK etc.

    You are correct that he was elected 4 times so clearly they aren't very smart, deserving only good cricket and footy but not good government. I was based in the US for most of that period making lots dough for having fun so thanks for that correction.

    Some privileged ally, the CIA constantly spies on Australia and was behind the dismissal of the best Prime Minister Australia has had in at least a generation. So much for democracy.

    Only fools believe a plane hit the Pentagon. "His mate Bush" haha, Howard was like a blushing schoolgirl merely to be in the idiot's presence.

    My use of Lebensraum refers to the Yinon Plan, I thought that would be quite plain to any clear thinker but I didn't anticipate you reading my post.

    Yes do keep an eye out for those bargain strategic assets, I'm sure there will be a seat for you at the table. I can't imagine a more scintillating dinner guest.

    I’ve just seen your reply to my query about your pseudonym and reference to being picked up by Dad in the Bentley. Wesley I guess but, anyway doesn’t affect my diagnostic view. (Actually could be Xavier: I had Catholic forebears who went off the rails coping with modernity).

    I take the opportunity to add that Whitlam himself didn’t credit the CIA plot against him conspiracy story. And of course the CIA spies on everyone – doesn’t everyone outside Bhutan? – but you surely haven’t forgotten Echelon or access to US military technology, once assumed to be superior if not cheap. OF course Australia is a privileged ally – not that it will count for much in 30 years time.

    As to the plane hitting the Pentagon which you are so certain about that you claim only “fools” believe it I come to that with no belief at all about the evidence but, after only a little reading, would require answers to

    1. What happened to Flight 77 and the people in it?
    2. Why discount the evidence of many witnesses who say they saw a twin engined jet airliner hit the Pentagon?
    3. What version of the conspiracy stories makes it credible that the perpetrators would have reason to cook up an elaborate disappearance of Flight 77 and a simulation of a crash into the Pentagon?

  83. @John Jeremiah Smith

    I have read Goebbels, the quote you cite requires context, which I can’t precisely recall.
     
    Oh, goody, let's have a lecture on "context". My favorite topic, and I prefer the Wittgensteinian view.

    So Hitler and Goebbels refer to the "Big Lie" concept in relation to Jews, etc. So what? I used a different context. Go to the top of the chain and read it. If confusion remains, read it again.

    You only reveal that you are a fool and likely a liar by claiming that context counts for nothing. Below is one genuine quote from Goebbels where he uses the term.

    One should not as a rule reveal one’s secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.

    The widely disseminated quote that you cite may well not exist, read his diaries and works on propaganda, he emphasised the need to base propaganda on truth.

    I think the latter had something like the quote you cite, but read it over twenty years ago, so am not sure whether or not I conflated it with Hitler’s.

    Can you name or find the title of the source?

    If not, it is a fake.

    From Mein Kampf

    In this they proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads, and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others.…” (p. 231 of the Manheim translation)

    You really are a fool. Working in a tag-team as a pair of antipodean morons?

    • Replies: @John Jeremiah Smith

    You only reveal that you are a fool and likely a liar by claiming that context counts for nothing.
     
    Nah. When I say stuff like that, it's a filter, ya know? Something so obviously sardonic acts to filter out Stupids whose level of intelligence is, well, you know...

    This is going gang-busters for elimination of Stupids through the Ignore option. Bye now.
  84. @CanSpeccy

    Weren’t some admirals convicted of dereliction of duty or something because of Pearl Harbor?
     
    The Roberts Commission appointed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt to investigate the attack determined that Kimmel and his counterpart Army Lieutenant General Walter Short were guilty of errors of judgment and dereliction of duty in the events leading up to the attack. Source

    Very unfair, in my opinion, since the case that FDR wanted Pearl Harbour to proceed is pretty well established. Scapegoats.

  85. @NoseytheDuke
    You and the Wiz make a splendid pair of matching twats.

    Read my post #55 again and you may (or may not) comprehend that I said no such thing about Bernays. I did say that I thought SC was pointing out that the quote came from Bernays, there is a difference but you may need to enlist a person with some reading comprehension ability to assist you in understanding it.

    I also remarked #39 that attribution changed very little as to the concept behind the big lie.

    You pair are like a pair of litterbugs trashing up this lovely neighbourhood. Little wonder Ron Unz gets a little frustrated dealing with idiots who nitpick about articles on books they've never read.

    Having to address questions that have already been asked and answered on this very page and then have the temerity to offer suggestions as to how he can improve this excellent website.

    Here's my suggestion, you twats should fuck off and play somewhere else, now that WOULD improve this website!

    Not just twats, matching moronic twats!

    Read my post #55 again and you may (or may not) comprehend that I said no such thing about Bernays. I did say that I thought SC was pointing out that the quote came from Bernays

    LOL. First, you said nothing about Bernays, then you said something about Bernays? Do tell.

    My original comment said nothing about Bernays at all. I have no interest in Bernays. Solonto waxed eloquent, and at typical great length about Bernays. I said right away — no interest in Bernays. You chime in and pop off some more utterly irrelevant commentary viz. Bernays.

    How’s this all working for ya? Are y’all maxed-out on Bernays yet? I said nothing about Bernays, intended nothing about Bernays, have no interest whatsoever in Bernays. The “Big Lie” quote did not come from Bernays, but Goebbels. Bernays is not the originator of “Big Lie” characterization; that honor belongs to Adolf Hitler.

    Got that? You have been added to the “Ignore” list. I suggest you do the same to my ID from your end. Spare yourself some heartburn, ay, Mac?

    Oh, I do agree with you about Mr. Whiz. I’ve “Ignored” him, too. This “Ignore” stuff works like a charm. Love it.

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Idiot. read it again fool. "I said nothing about Bernays" Those are your words not mine. Read my post again. Oh no, I'm being ignored by a big twat!

    Put your fingers in your ears and go LA LA LA while you're at it twat.
  86. @animalogic
    I don't quite get this current issue here with Goebbels, Hitler etc and the "big lie". Beyond historical exactitude (nit-picking ?) and regardless of the "context" is anyone actually suggesting the Nazi's did not use the "big lie" technique ? Is anyone suggesting that western governments NOW don't use it ?

    Dear animalogic,

    Of course historical exactitude matters, as far as it is possible to find it.

    The neocons in the USA constantly use the big lie. Look at the iraq invasion, weird policy towards Syria, wish to make war upon Iran.

    From my reading of history, the only time the NSDAP used the big lie tactic until after Stalingrad (when the big lie only consisted of understating defeats and making pop culture more and more cheery, Japan was the same as US/near-dead Brit. Empire etc. victory became more and more clear) was in the Sudetenland.

    If I could choose one and only one lost ancient work to magically recover, it wouldn’t be a missing play by Sophocles or Aeschylus, but Famous Whores of History by Suetonius. Would love to read it.

    Cheers.

  87. @Che Guava
    You only reveal that you are a fool and likely a liar by claiming that context counts for nothing. Below is one genuine quote from Goebbels where he uses the term.

    One should not as a rule reveal one’s secrets, since one does not know if and when one may need them again. The essential English leadership secret does not depend on particular intelligence. Rather, it depends on a remarkably stupid thick-headedness. The English follow the principle that when one lies, one should lie big, and stick to it. They keep up their lies, even at the risk of looking ridiculous.
     
    The widely disseminated quote that you cite may well not exist, read his diaries and works on propaganda, he emphasised the need to base propaganda on truth.

    I think the latter had something like the quote you cite, but read it over twenty years ago, so am not sure whether or not I conflated it with Hitler's.

    Can you name or find the title of the source?

    If not, it is a fake.

    From Mein Kampf

    In this they proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads, and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others.…” (p. 231 of the Manheim translation)
     
    You really are a fool. Working in a tag-team as a pair of antipodean morons?

    You only reveal that you are a fool and likely a liar by claiming that context counts for nothing.

    Nah. When I say stuff like that, it’s a filter, ya know? Something so obviously sardonic acts to filter out Stupids whose level of intelligence is, well, you know…

    This is going gang-busters for elimination of Stupids through the Ignore option. Bye now.

  88. @NoseytheDuke
    You and the Wiz make a splendid pair of matching twats.

    Read my post #55 again and you may (or may not) comprehend that I said no such thing about Bernays. I did say that I thought SC was pointing out that the quote came from Bernays, there is a difference but you may need to enlist a person with some reading comprehension ability to assist you in understanding it.

    I also remarked #39 that attribution changed very little as to the concept behind the big lie.

    You pair are like a pair of litterbugs trashing up this lovely neighbourhood. Little wonder Ron Unz gets a little frustrated dealing with idiots who nitpick about articles on books they've never read.

    Having to address questions that have already been asked and answered on this very page and then have the temerity to offer suggestions as to how he can improve this excellent website.

    Here's my suggestion, you twats should fuck off and play somewhere else, now that WOULD improve this website!

    Not just twats, matching moronic twats!

    What a jerk that John Jeremiah Smith is, you should be honoured to be on his ‘ignore’ list. A newb, too. I’d have banned already if I were a mod here, but I am not, and I appreciate the freedom of speech on the site.

    He and one or two others seem to be conducting a co-ordinated attack.

    You can be sure that such an asinine leftoid troll will stop ignoring you if you deliver stinging replies to his stupid posts.

    Cheers.

  89. @animalogic
    I don't quite get this current issue here with Goebbels, Hitler etc and the "big lie". Beyond historical exactitude (nit-picking ?) and regardless of the "context" is anyone actually suggesting the Nazi's did not use the "big lie" technique ? Is anyone suggesting that western governments NOW don't use it ?

    I don’t quite get this current issue here with Goebbels, Hitler etc and the “big lie”. Beyond historical exactitude (nit-picking ?) and regardless of the “context” is anyone actually suggesting the Nazi’s did not use the “big lie” technique ? Is anyone suggesting that western governments NOW don’t use it ?

    You don’t get it? That may be because it doesn’t make sense (excuse my amusement at the fact that it makes no sense in context either). If you are a person who notices when things don’t make sense, then you are put at a disadvantage by the form of “distractionizing” manifested by the Stupids. It’s how they get that sense of superiority so important to their self-image.

    If you read the reply chain, you will see that I mentioned, at the top, the Goebbels’ “Big Lie” characterization. SC was irritated that I failed to mention Bernays — God only knows why … maybe Bernays was his homeroom teacher back in 7th grade, and some form of Bernays fixation developed in the young lad. Anyway, SC windily berates me for not attributing Bernays. Then the rest of the Stupids jumped in about context, Bolsheviks, Israeli conspiracies, and the rest of the typical ration of wackadoodle one finds on these “forums”.

    Bernays. Sheesh.

    • Disagree: Che Guava
    • Replies: @Che Guava
    http://www.unz.com/comments/commenter/John+Jeremiah+Smith/ is an asinine and self-rightious antipodean leftoid cretin who very recently decided, from some site for SJWs like Move On. and a graduate from an elite private or sttate school, thatt unz.com is a prime tasget .

    An exemplar of your asinine species, You wished death for me, that is really rotten, hope it rebounds on you.
  90. “If we want peace and prosperity, justice and mercy, we should break the spell of the crooked media upon people.”

    Another useless punditry mindstuck-in-the-mud of yesteryear from Shamir, the communist and jew.

    A literal compendium of cliches. The crooked media is not going to go away until after the coming civil war and its resolution.

    Just like the beginning of world war two with the communists clanking toward the west in their tanks and jew commissars, and the People, scared shitless, going for HItler. Action from the Left, Reaction from normal white people. We are going to fight it all over again, but this time over race.

    Normal people (white) just want peace and work and security. The Jews led and still lead communism, like Shamir, only now that they lost the economic war, they have seized on Race War.
    They should have counted the divisions of White folks.

    You want peace? Stay with your own kind, the best deal you will ever make. Not Utopia, but Reality.

    Joe Webb

  91. @John Jeremiah Smith

    I don’t quite get this current issue here with Goebbels, Hitler etc and the “big lie”. Beyond historical exactitude (nit-picking ?) and regardless of the “context” is anyone actually suggesting the Nazi’s did not use the “big lie” technique ? Is anyone suggesting that western governments NOW don’t use it ?
     
    You don't get it? That may be because it doesn't make sense (excuse my amusement at the fact that it makes no sense in context either). If you are a person who notices when things don't make sense, then you are put at a disadvantage by the form of "distractionizing" manifested by the Stupids. It's how they get that sense of superiority so important to their self-image.

    If you read the reply chain, you will see that I mentioned, at the top, the Goebbels' "Big Lie" characterization. SC was irritated that I failed to mention Bernays -- God only knows why ... maybe Bernays was his homeroom teacher back in 7th grade, and some form of Bernays fixation developed in the young lad. Anyway, SC windily berates me for not attributing Bernays. Then the rest of the Stupids jumped in about context, Bolsheviks, Israeli conspiracies, and the rest of the typical ration of wackadoodle one finds on these "forums".

    Bernays. Sheesh.

    http://www.unz.com/comments/commenter/John+Jeremiah+Smith/ is an asinine and self-rightious antipodean leftoid cretin who very recently decided, from some site for SJWs like Move On. and a graduate from an elite private or sttate school, thatt unz.com is a prime tasget .

    An exemplar of your asinine species, You wished death for me, that is really rotten, hope it rebounds on you.

  92. @Sherman
    Hi Little Art

    This is great news. Thanks for the share.

    It's great to see Hezbollah, ISIS, Syrians Iranians and all these other wonderful folks butchering and killing each other.

    The Israelis don't have to waste a single bullet while their mortal enemies destroy each other.

    The Israelis can watch the whole thing and laugh!

    Best,
    Sherm

    PS - How's the PORK and beans tonight?

    But no good thing lasts forever, does it Sherm? Even for Jews. Sooner rather than later the Syrian war will be over, and then what will you do?

  93. @NoseytheDuke
    "There may, in fact, be conclusive evidence available to the public showing that the Pentagon was not hit by a plane on 9/11, but I am not aware of such evidence".

    Try looking, do you trust your own eyes? There are pics available online taken immediately following the attack on the Pentagon and before the building structure around the entrance hole collapsed. The hole is quite small and much too small to accommodate the type of aircraft that is alleged to have crashed.

    There are also pics which cleverly show the outline of said plane superimposed against the side of the building and the damage but the area where the engines would have impacted are untouched.

    There is no visible debris in the surrounding area and even the windows adjacent still have the glass intact. THAT is the evidence I cite, feel free to google the pics if you wish but you may draw whatever conclusion you like.

    Try looking, do you trust your own eyes?

    I’ve looked at lots of photos, and I do trust my own eyes.

    What I don’t trust is the assumption that I, as a person untrained in photo-analysis and without the expertise to judge what happens when a lightweight hollow aluminum structure impacts a concrete wall at high speed, can accurately infer from some random pictures on the internet what happened at the Pentagon on 9/11.

    It is the blithe assumption of forensic expertise by non-experts that makes virtually all debate about 9/11 so utterly futile. It also makes it easy for the defenders of the official 9/11 story to dismiss 9/11 Truthers as paranoids and ignoramuses.

    The US Government did not want or allow a proper investigation of 9/11 having announced the day of the attack that Bin Laden was responsible. Moreover the attack was the catalyzing event the US required for intended wars on Afghanistan and Iraq. So what more does anyone really need to know? And if you do want to know more, looking at the 9/11 debris on the Pentagon lawn seems among the worst places to start looking.

  94. @John Jeremiah Smith

    Read my post #55 again and you may (or may not) comprehend that I said no such thing about Bernays. I did say that I thought SC was pointing out that the quote came from Bernays
     
    LOL. First, you said nothing about Bernays, then you said something about Bernays? Do tell.

    My original comment said nothing about Bernays at all. I have no interest in Bernays. Solonto waxed eloquent, and at typical great length about Bernays. I said right away -- no interest in Bernays. You chime in and pop off some more utterly irrelevant commentary viz. Bernays.

    How's this all working for ya? Are y'all maxed-out on Bernays yet? I said nothing about Bernays, intended nothing about Bernays, have no interest whatsoever in Bernays. The "Big Lie" quote did not come from Bernays, but Goebbels. Bernays is not the originator of "Big Lie" characterization; that honor belongs to Adolf Hitler.

    Got that? You have been added to the "Ignore" list. I suggest you do the same to my ID from your end. Spare yourself some heartburn, ay, Mac?

    Oh, I do agree with you about Mr. Whiz. I've "Ignored" him, too. This "Ignore" stuff works like a charm. Love it.

    Idiot. read it again fool. “I said nothing about Bernays” Those are your words not mine. Read my post again. Oh no, I’m being ignored by a big twat!

    Put your fingers in your ears and go LA LA LA while you’re at it twat.

  95. @Wizard of Oz
    ÙI am amazed that you call Whitlam even a good Prime Minister and, when your brain was still functioning properly I doubt that you would have overlooked the reality of his ineptitude in office however painful it might have been. Don't you remember what he let Clyde Cameron, Lionel Murphy, Rex Connor and Jim Cairns get away with, not to mention excesses of Realpolitik wrt the Baltic States and East Timor? But the picture of yourself emerges. One of the first generation at university "It's Time" generation, starry eyed after the end of the fuddy duddy Menzies long reign and its collapse in farce with Bill Macmahon almost making the witty Gough look competent. You went into the almost real world and made more money than most of the commenters on UR. But now you remind me of a friend, perhaps a few years older than you who was a classical schol3ar at an Oxbridge College (though he didn't get a First), had a successful career with a famous American company, has kept quite a bit of his money, can be quite offensive, but does need to "go to the Sahara" from time to time. If ever I had to bet on someone being an alcoholic with a once quite capable brain I would bet on you. Right? By all means continue to be a "bit of a character" but don't take me on on my terms because I am not an alcoholic and you won't have the stamina or persistent care that is needed unless you are content tobe a jolly troll.

    I did in fact make lots dough in the US but prior to that I made money the old fashioned way, I inherited it. Who cares?

    Christopher Boyce made it crystal clear that the CIA pulled the strings to remove Gough Whitlam. Did you see the amazing response from the people when he passed away? Wow! It was way better than the crickets we’ll hear at the news of your passing although that last exhale of yours might have people thinking there’s a tornado happening.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Let that post serve (with context of course!) as evidence of your frivolity of mind and typical alcoholic's lack of mental stamina.

    The irrelevance to anything of your reference to the "amazing response" from "the people" when Whitlam "passed away" [interesting class and/or generational markers there] I pass without further comment as I don't recall anything much except for people old enough to remember Gough's brief period of office sentimentalising as one might over a 98 year old's death.... except I thank you for a little entertainment I got from Googling.

    There was John Howard pointing out that Cate Blanchett was wrong to say Whitlam's making university education totally free of fees for everyone [which of course had to be undone by the next Labor government] gave opportunities people didn't have before and going on to express sympathy for the ushers who had to seat four former Labor PMs who didn't mind sitting next to him but wouldn't sit next to each other.

    It is your Christopher Boyce reference which would be really shocking if it weren't typical. Boyce was an armed robber and cocaine dealer who claimed that, as a 21 or 22 year old he had received some misdirected CIA messages which suggested that someone was anxious to have Whitlam removed as PM because of some supposed threat to the continuation in Australia of satellite tracking stations. It is of course quite likely that several arms of the US government expressed concerns about quite a few erratic members of the Whitlam government, but anyone familiar with the names Tirath Khemlani, Andrew Hay, David Smith, Garfield Barwick, John Paul, Anthony Mason, Kep Enderby, Rex Connor, Malcolm Fraser, Reg Withers, Albert Field, Alan Missen...plus the blocking of supply in the Senate until Kerr decided there had to be a double dissolution -would know that the real impact of the CIA on the Australian political situation was zilch. Anyone unfamiliar with them might struggle a bit, but, despite your frivolity, it is hard to believe you can actually believe that sort of Christopher Boyce rubbish. How about Harold Holt being picked up by a Chinese submarine?
  96. @Sam Shama
    Wait, this is tiny 'art'. Is he dizygotic to little 'Art'?

    Hi Sam,

    This reminded me of something. I think that you told Art that you aspired to becoming a Big Jew.
    If that happens, will you remember your buds here and give us hints on the secret handshake or whatever? Maybe you could smuggle out a new edition of the Protocols for us.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    Hi Iffen,
    I did say that, didn't I? Well of course I shall always remember my buds here at UR, and the Protocols it is: copies of he very very first edition, intact, and not a mark of a PC revision whatsoever!

    On a serious note, I've been reading Rise and Fall and in it, the passages of struggles Adolf recounted in Mein Kampf. He cuts something of a tragic young figure metamorphosising into a virulent Jew hater; the 19-year old vagrant in Vienna, who was given - by a Jewish haberdasher- the knee length kaftan he wore daily, but who ended up despising the same kaftan wearers. And he saw Jews everywhere, in everything he considered wrong in the world.

    Well, the delusions, they end.

    Eerie to say the least, and ought to be an object lesson for those who harbour similar feelings.

    P.S. : btw have you noticed some from the foregoing set, flaunting their wealth, sniffing self-indulgent moral superiority, mixed all the same with uncontrolled phlegm?

    Protocols lesson 1: Don't flaunt your wealth.
    Protocols Lesson 2: If you are going to disregard 1, at least try to do so with some subtlety and grace :-)

  97. @Kiza
    Israel Shamir is one of top three article writers on this zine, with Philip Giraldi and Ron Unz himself. This one is another excellent essay. But, a nit picker I am, I have to say that he refers to media all the time, whilst in many instances he should have replaced the word media with the word establishment. Media only serve the establishment, media have no mind of their own, that is media are one of establishment's tools, next to the police, judiciary and the military. Media, that is MSM and controlled social media, are a tool for the soft control of the masses, whilst police and judiciary are for the hard control of those who do not fall for media lies.

    Even my 87 years old mother suggested that US voters may repeat the Brexit vote, despite media blazing with anti-Trumpism or because of media anti-Trumpism. But I suggested back to her that US voters are much dumber than the British voters. I would love to be proven wrong, it would the most pleasant surprise imaginable if Trump would win despite demonisation and despite vote stacking and stealing by the establishment.

    whilst in many instances he should have replaced the word media with the word establishment

    Excellent observation. Words are meaningful. Sometimes nit is appropriate and sometimes nose.

    :)

    Just wanted to let you know I did not put you back on CTI.

  98. @iffen
    Hi Sam,

    This reminded me of something. I think that you told Art that you aspired to becoming a Big Jew.
    If that happens, will you remember your buds here and give us hints on the secret handshake or whatever? Maybe you could smuggle out a new edition of the Protocols for us.

    Hi Iffen,
    I did say that, didn’t I? Well of course I shall always remember my buds here at UR, and the Protocols it is: copies of he very very first edition, intact, and not a mark of a PC revision whatsoever!

    On a serious note, I’ve been reading Rise and Fall and in it, the passages of struggles Adolf recounted in Mein Kampf. He cuts something of a tragic young figure metamorphosising into a virulent Jew hater; the 19-year old vagrant in Vienna, who was given – by a Jewish haberdasher- the knee length kaftan he wore daily, but who ended up despising the same kaftan wearers. And he saw Jews everywhere, in everything he considered wrong in the world.

    Well, the delusions, they end.

    Eerie to say the least, and ought to be an object lesson for those who harbour similar feelings.

    P.S. : btw have you noticed some from the foregoing set, flaunting their wealth, sniffing self-indulgent moral superiority, mixed all the same with uncontrolled phlegm?

    Protocols lesson 1: Don’t flaunt your wealth.
    Protocols Lesson 2: If you are going to disregard 1, at least try to do so with some subtlety and grace :-)

  99. @animalogic
    Re: John Howard. I have never liked him, however I will admit he was an astute politician. He was also a very LUCKY one. 4 terms, but what really helped him ?
    The greatest resources boom in Australia's history: the money just came slushing in (we can argue how much they wasted, but it's hard to avoid the view he installed a fundamentally unsustainable budget structure).
    Howard was lucky the opposition had one dud leader after another.
    He was able to profitably exploit the whole immigration/illegals/people smugglers business..ah, the golden days of "kids overboard".
    And, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that NO government, before or after has spent such vast public sums hyping their own partisan programs.
    Oh, he was also lucky he had a treasurer so lacking in "ticker" he couldn't bring himself to challenge -- even in the final years when many in the party thought he should have.
    So, John Howard, "the deputy" ... what do we say these days? Oh, yes: "whatever"....

    John Howard is definitely a war criminal for sending Australian troops to kill Iraqis and Afghanis, who have done nothing to Australia. By definition, his were the wars of aggression and it does not matter that he was doing it on behalf of US, it probably makes it worse because it was even less necessary than the US attack on these nations. But it is true that hyenas kill prey in packs, where they feel safe, thus he operated under the criminal term the “International Community”.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    Agree.
    , @NoseytheDuke
    FM Julie Bishop cancelled $850 million trade deal (dairy products) with Russia after Idiot Abbott announced Russia was to blame for downing of MH17. Deal was promptly taken up by New Zealand but we hear little of it. Big loss for dairy farmers who are being squeezed by supermarket duopoly but still farmers vote overwhelmingly Lying National Party.

    I had hoped Putin would have filed a libel case against them both and demanded proof or damages but it didn't happen.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    I'm not sure if you are claiming any relevant knowledge of law but it is my understanding that the legality of the invasion of Afghanistan was probably, according to generally accepted standards/rules, sewn up by a UN resolution. Is that not correct?

    I recall that there was some odd twist to the story of the UN and the Korean War. If you know about thesethings you might care to explain it. On the one hand I seem to recall that the USSR was boycotting the Security Council so couldn't use its veto. On the other I think there was a resolution of the whole UN Assembly.

    Mention of the UN reminds me of the odd fact(oid) that more than one of the Soviet republics was a member, including Ukraine. That would double the difficulty for whoever it was who tried to insist that Crimea was always part of Russia!
  100. @Kiza
    John Howard is definitely a war criminal for sending Australian troops to kill Iraqis and Afghanis, who have done nothing to Australia. By definition, his were the wars of aggression and it does not matter that he was doing it on behalf of US, it probably makes it worse because it was even less necessary than the US attack on these nations. But it is true that hyenas kill prey in packs, where they feel safe, thus he operated under the criminal term the "International Community".

    Agree.

  101. @Kiza
    John Howard is definitely a war criminal for sending Australian troops to kill Iraqis and Afghanis, who have done nothing to Australia. By definition, his were the wars of aggression and it does not matter that he was doing it on behalf of US, it probably makes it worse because it was even less necessary than the US attack on these nations. But it is true that hyenas kill prey in packs, where they feel safe, thus he operated under the criminal term the "International Community".

    FM Julie Bishop cancelled $850 million trade deal (dairy products) with Russia after Idiot Abbott announced Russia was to blame for downing of MH17. Deal was promptly taken up by New Zealand but we hear little of it. Big loss for dairy farmers who are being squeezed by supermarket duopoly but still farmers vote overwhelmingly Lying National Party.

    I had hoped Putin would have filed a libel case against them both and demanded proof or damages but it didn’t happen.

    • Replies: @Kiza
    How it worked out is that the politicians then had to open the public purse and give tax-payers' money to the deary industry. All so that the morons can give an impression that they are statesmen and stateswomen. But we are the ultimate morons voting this scum back into power at the last elections,
    , @Wizard of Oz
    See #108
  102. @JL
    Trump's Muslim bashing has nothing at all to do with the Jews, it's for the evangelicals who passionately hate Muslims and view the world through the prism of a Christian/Islam battle of civilizations. I've seen multiple pollsters raise the question of how Trump, who should have zero appeal among this cohort, could be so popular with evangelicals. This is why.

    Yes, and no. Evangelicals believe that Judaism/Talmud-ism is God’s on earth! Believe me, I was once fed this lie. So, because they believe that Mohammedans hate the Talmudist, then they obviously hate the Mohammedans! Weird indeed. They fail to comprehend that Talmudists hate them as well, and its a sick cycle of hate.
    I met a Mohammedan in Saudi Arabia, and can deduct that they are child like people who are so ignorant of the world outside, that anything their imams tell them, they believe it completely, just like the Foxnews crowd, who think that if it is in fox news, must be the truth, or CNN, MSNBC, etc.

    thank God I don’t have cable!

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    How come Evangelicals/Bible fundamentalists even know about the Talmud? Do they discuss the Mishnah and Gemara? Do they distinguish between Palestinian and Babylonian Talmuds? My point is that none of that has anything to do with what English speaking Protestant Christians got when the Bible, including the Torah and the rest of the Hebrew Bible, was translated into English.
  103. @NoseytheDuke
    FM Julie Bishop cancelled $850 million trade deal (dairy products) with Russia after Idiot Abbott announced Russia was to blame for downing of MH17. Deal was promptly taken up by New Zealand but we hear little of it. Big loss for dairy farmers who are being squeezed by supermarket duopoly but still farmers vote overwhelmingly Lying National Party.

    I had hoped Putin would have filed a libel case against them both and demanded proof or damages but it didn't happen.

    How it worked out is that the politicians then had to open the public purse and give tax-payers’ money to the deary industry. All so that the morons can give an impression that they are statesmen and stateswomen. But we are the ultimate morons voting this scum back into power at the last elections,

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    NtD clearly has a memory problem so I suggest you check before relying on him. I Googled "$850 million dairy Russia" and what appears to be the case is that Russia imposed a boycott on Australlian dairy products in connection with Australia's and others' response to the annexation of Crimea.
  104. @NoseytheDuke
    I did in fact make lots dough in the US but prior to that I made money the old fashioned way, I inherited it. Who cares?

    Christopher Boyce made it crystal clear that the CIA pulled the strings to remove Gough Whitlam. Did you see the amazing response from the people when he passed away? Wow! It was way better than the crickets we'll hear at the news of your passing although that last exhale of yours might have people thinking there's a tornado happening.

    Let that post serve (with context of course!) as evidence of your frivolity of mind and typical alcoholic’s lack of mental stamina.

    The irrelevance to anything of your reference to the “amazing response” from “the people” when Whitlam “passed away” [interesting class and/or generational markers there] I pass without further comment as I don’t recall anything much except for people old enough to remember Gough’s brief period of office sentimentalising as one might over a 98 year old’s death…. except I thank you for a little entertainment I got from Googling.

    There was John Howard pointing out that Cate Blanchett was wrong to say Whitlam’s making university education totally free of fees for everyone [which of course had to be undone by the next Labor government] gave opportunities people didn’t have before and going on to express sympathy for the ushers who had to seat four former Labor PMs who didn’t mind sitting next to him but wouldn’t sit next to each other.

    It is your Christopher Boyce reference which would be really shocking if it weren’t typical. Boyce was an armed robber and cocaine dealer who claimed that, as a 21 or 22 year old he had received some misdirected CIA messages which suggested that someone was anxious to have Whitlam removed as PM because of some supposed threat to the continuation in Australia of satellite tracking stations. It is of course quite likely that several arms of the US government expressed concerns about quite a few erratic members of the Whitlam government, but anyone familiar with the names Tirath Khemlani, Andrew Hay, David Smith, Garfield Barwick, John Paul, Anthony Mason, Kep Enderby, Rex Connor, Malcolm Fraser, Reg Withers, Albert Field, Alan Missen…plus the blocking of supply in the Senate until Kerr decided there had to be a double dissolution -would know that the real impact of the CIA on the Australian political situation was zilch. Anyone unfamiliar with them might struggle a bit, but, despite your frivolity, it is hard to believe you can actually believe that sort of Christopher Boyce rubbish. How about Harold Holt being picked up by a Chinese submarine?

    • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
    Nice but of self-aggrandising pomp there as usual but clearly mistaken. Christpher Boyce, the Falcon, worked for a CIA contractor. He had a higher security clearance than his superiors and so got away with what he did for so long. He saw the CIA direct feed confirming the undermining of democracy in an ally, Australia. He was so incensed by what he saw as a betrayal of the principles under which he served he decided, like Manning, to leak Top Secret information.

    It was Andrew Lee, the Snowman, who dealt coke and actually sold the secrets. You've confused them but it's quite understandable given your general confusion and none more so than in your confusion as to the validity of your own great knowledge and wisdom in all matters.
  105. @Kiza
    How it worked out is that the politicians then had to open the public purse and give tax-payers' money to the deary industry. All so that the morons can give an impression that they are statesmen and stateswomen. But we are the ultimate morons voting this scum back into power at the last elections,

    NtD clearly has a memory problem so I suggest you check before relying on him. I Googled “$850 million dairy Russia” and what appears to be the case is that Russia imposed a boycott on Australlian dairy products in connection with Australia’s and others’ response to the annexation of Crimea.

  106. @NoseytheDuke
    FM Julie Bishop cancelled $850 million trade deal (dairy products) with Russia after Idiot Abbott announced Russia was to blame for downing of MH17. Deal was promptly taken up by New Zealand but we hear little of it. Big loss for dairy farmers who are being squeezed by supermarket duopoly but still farmers vote overwhelmingly Lying National Party.

    I had hoped Putin would have filed a libel case against them both and demanded proof or damages but it didn't happen.

    See #108

  107. @Kiza
    John Howard is definitely a war criminal for sending Australian troops to kill Iraqis and Afghanis, who have done nothing to Australia. By definition, his were the wars of aggression and it does not matter that he was doing it on behalf of US, it probably makes it worse because it was even less necessary than the US attack on these nations. But it is true that hyenas kill prey in packs, where they feel safe, thus he operated under the criminal term the "International Community".

    I’m not sure if you are claiming any relevant knowledge of law but it is my understanding that the legality of the invasion of Afghanistan was probably, according to generally accepted standards/rules, sewn up by a UN resolution. Is that not correct?

    I recall that there was some odd twist to the story of the UN and the Korean War. If you know about thesethings you might care to explain it. On the one hand I seem to recall that the USSR was boycotting the Security Council so couldn’t use its veto. On the other I think there was a resolution of the whole UN Assembly.

    Mention of the UN reminds me of the odd fact(oid) that more than one of the Soviet republics was a member, including Ukraine. That would double the difficulty for whoever it was who tried to insist that Crimea was always part of Russia!

  108. @in the middle
    Yes, and no. Evangelicals believe that Judaism/Talmud-ism is God's on earth! Believe me, I was once fed this lie. So, because they believe that Mohammedans hate the Talmudist, then they obviously hate the Mohammedans! Weird indeed. They fail to comprehend that Talmudists hate them as well, and its a sick cycle of hate.
    I met a Mohammedan in Saudi Arabia, and can deduct that they are child like people who are so ignorant of the world outside, that anything their imams tell them, they believe it completely, just like the Foxnews crowd, who think that if it is in fox news, must be the truth, or CNN, MSNBC, etc.

    thank God I don't have cable!

    How come Evangelicals/Bible fundamentalists even know about the Talmud? Do they discuss the Mishnah and Gemara? Do they distinguish between Palestinian and Babylonian Talmuds? My point is that none of that has anything to do with what English speaking Protestant Christians got when the Bible, including the Torah and the rest of the Hebrew Bible, was translated into English.

    • Replies: @in the middle
    Sr.

    Most don't! That is the problem, and my point was that they don't believe the Talmudist are God's on earth because their knowledge of the Talmud, but because they are blindingly ignorant of such a tome. Any knowledgeable people who knows anything about such writings such as the Talmud, either the Babylonian or Palestinian, which any how, the Babylonian Talmud is the final authority on any subject, obviously the Mishnah and Gemara are totally out of question as far as evangelicals knowledge about them. I am telling this, because I was with the evangelicals for 20 years, and never heard of the Talmud, or the Mishnah and Gemara. Only afterwards, thanks to the Internet, was I able to remove my face covering, finding out of Talmudists and the rest. I never heard of it while with the evangelicals! All they know is that Israel is the people of God in the middle east, and that we have to fight tooth and nail defending such entity, despite Galatians 6:16 not withstanding; or and revelation 2:9, and 3:9 in the Holy Bible.
  109. Only ten years later, with ascent of Putin, Russia began its long climb back. Just recently she managed to regain her pre-1991 level.

    There has been hardly a regaining. Russia looks like a man who was robbed and broken but suddenly won in a lottery, but instead of investing he lived a luxury and lazy live not thinking about the future, but now the money has ended and he does not know what to do. Of course, it would be wrong to say that Russians have lived bad in 2000-2014, but hardly anything groundbreaking has been done in the country. Russia remains the very same underdeveloped country with a corrupted comprador elite like Latin America. Do you praise Brazil or Argentina? I do not think so. Russia is a northern version of Brazil, but with a lot of its own unresolved problems.

    • Agree: Regnum Nostrum
    • Replies: @5371
    I didn't see Brazil stopping the US from bombing Syria, did you?

    [but now the money has ended and he does not know what to do]

    So something bad is going to happen? What are you predicting, then?
  110. @Israel Shamir
    Thank you, "Smith"!

    Just finished reading your essay on “Discussion of Anti-Semitism”, of January 2003. It is brilliant, to say the least. I rather suspect it would tax the understanding of most Unz readers of today. That being said, a re-presentation of it, perhaps revised for currency where necessary, would make for excellent “new” Unz material. However, it being my opinion and observation that readers of Internet essays tend to have short attention spans, a segmenting of the material into four or more essays that could “stand alone” might be advisable — at your discretion, of course. Just a suggestion…. :-)

    I truly have not read anything as good as that article in many years. (Well, Mark Twain’s autobiography, but that’s in an entirely different class of literature.) No wonder they hate you in Tel Aviv. :-)

  111. @Wizard of Oz
    How come Evangelicals/Bible fundamentalists even know about the Talmud? Do they discuss the Mishnah and Gemara? Do they distinguish between Palestinian and Babylonian Talmuds? My point is that none of that has anything to do with what English speaking Protestant Christians got when the Bible, including the Torah and the rest of the Hebrew Bible, was translated into English.

    Sr.

    Most don’t! That is the problem, and my point was that they don’t believe the Talmudist are God’s on earth because their knowledge of the Talmud, but because they are blindingly ignorant of such a tome. Any knowledgeable people who knows anything about such writings such as the Talmud, either the Babylonian or Palestinian, which any how, the Babylonian Talmud is the final authority on any subject, obviously the Mishnah and Gemara are totally out of question as far as evangelicals knowledge about them. I am telling this, because I was with the evangelicals for 20 years, and never heard of the Talmud, or the Mishnah and Gemara. Only afterwards, thanks to the Internet, was I able to remove my face covering, finding out of Talmudists and the rest. I never heard of it while with the evangelicals! All they know is that Israel is the people of God in the middle east, and that we have to fight tooth and nail defending such entity, despite Galatians 6:16 not withstanding; or and revelation 2:9, and 3:9 in the Holy Bible.

  112. @Boris N

    Only ten years later, with ascent of Putin, Russia began its long climb back. Just recently she managed to regain her pre-1991 level.
     
    There has been hardly a regaining. Russia looks like a man who was robbed and broken but suddenly won in a lottery, but instead of investing he lived a luxury and lazy live not thinking about the future, but now the money has ended and he does not know what to do. Of course, it would be wrong to say that Russians have lived bad in 2000-2014, but hardly anything groundbreaking has been done in the country. Russia remains the very same underdeveloped country with a corrupted comprador elite like Latin America. Do you praise Brazil or Argentina? I do not think so. Russia is a northern version of Brazil, but with a lot of its own unresolved problems.

    I didn’t see Brazil stopping the US from bombing Syria, did you?

    [but now the money has ended and he does not know what to do]

    So something bad is going to happen? What are you predicting, then?

  113. @Wizard of Oz
    Let that post serve (with context of course!) as evidence of your frivolity of mind and typical alcoholic's lack of mental stamina.

    The irrelevance to anything of your reference to the "amazing response" from "the people" when Whitlam "passed away" [interesting class and/or generational markers there] I pass without further comment as I don't recall anything much except for people old enough to remember Gough's brief period of office sentimentalising as one might over a 98 year old's death.... except I thank you for a little entertainment I got from Googling.

    There was John Howard pointing out that Cate Blanchett was wrong to say Whitlam's making university education totally free of fees for everyone [which of course had to be undone by the next Labor government] gave opportunities people didn't have before and going on to express sympathy for the ushers who had to seat four former Labor PMs who didn't mind sitting next to him but wouldn't sit next to each other.

    It is your Christopher Boyce reference which would be really shocking if it weren't typical. Boyce was an armed robber and cocaine dealer who claimed that, as a 21 or 22 year old he had received some misdirected CIA messages which suggested that someone was anxious to have Whitlam removed as PM because of some supposed threat to the continuation in Australia of satellite tracking stations. It is of course quite likely that several arms of the US government expressed concerns about quite a few erratic members of the Whitlam government, but anyone familiar with the names Tirath Khemlani, Andrew Hay, David Smith, Garfield Barwick, John Paul, Anthony Mason, Kep Enderby, Rex Connor, Malcolm Fraser, Reg Withers, Albert Field, Alan Missen...plus the blocking of supply in the Senate until Kerr decided there had to be a double dissolution -would know that the real impact of the CIA on the Australian political situation was zilch. Anyone unfamiliar with them might struggle a bit, but, despite your frivolity, it is hard to believe you can actually believe that sort of Christopher Boyce rubbish. How about Harold Holt being picked up by a Chinese submarine?

    Nice but of self-aggrandising pomp there as usual but clearly mistaken. Christpher Boyce, the Falcon, worked for a CIA contractor. He had a higher security clearance than his superiors and so got away with what he did for so long. He saw the CIA direct feed confirming the undermining of democracy in an ally, Australia. He was so incensed by what he saw as a betrayal of the principles under which he served he decided, like Manning, to leak Top Secret information.

    It was Andrew Lee, the Snowman, who dealt coke and actually sold the secrets. You’ve confused them but it’s quite understandable given your general confusion and none more so than in your confusion as to the validity of your own great knowledge and wisdom in all matters.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Despite lack of interest in the subject I have avoided confusion. Boyce was an accessory therefore guilty as such. But that is all beside any point of importance because the reality is the CIA in the end had nothing to do with Whitlam's ousting. Your diversionary attack suggests you know that but don't like to admit it. BTW would you defend Whitlam (or Fraser for that matter) as actually doing any good for Aborigines under the influence of the ageing former Treasury and Reserve Bank New Age guru "Nugget" Coombs? A Treaty (or several hundred Treaties) anyone?
  114. @NoseytheDuke
    Nice but of self-aggrandising pomp there as usual but clearly mistaken. Christpher Boyce, the Falcon, worked for a CIA contractor. He had a higher security clearance than his superiors and so got away with what he did for so long. He saw the CIA direct feed confirming the undermining of democracy in an ally, Australia. He was so incensed by what he saw as a betrayal of the principles under which he served he decided, like Manning, to leak Top Secret information.

    It was Andrew Lee, the Snowman, who dealt coke and actually sold the secrets. You've confused them but it's quite understandable given your general confusion and none more so than in your confusion as to the validity of your own great knowledge and wisdom in all matters.

    Despite lack of interest in the subject I have avoided confusion. Boyce was an accessory therefore guilty as such. But that is all beside any point of importance because the reality is the CIA in the end had nothing to do with Whitlam’s ousting. Your diversionary attack suggests you know that but don’t like to admit it. BTW would you defend Whitlam (or Fraser for that matter) as actually doing any good for Aborigines under the influence of the ageing former Treasury and Reserve Bank New Age guru “Nugget” Coombs? A Treaty (or several hundred Treaties) anyone?

  115. @John Jeremiah Smith

    "This is exactly what the spin masters wanted: to overflow Europe with refugees, to create there another Coalition of Minorities, to overburden the welfare state and to cause collapse of Europe as an independent entity."
     
    That is the same method being used against the USA. The oligarchs direct the media to produce a blizzard of "human interest" schlock, and the Group Stupid laps it up every time. It is astounding -- millions of people convinced, via an implementation of Goebbel's "Big Lie" propaganda, to commit national and cultural suicide by importing huge numbers of aliens whose cultures are directly inimical to the erstwhile American national ethos.

    Perhaps Lincoln's (apocryphal?) observation that "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time." should be simplified and corrected to "You can fool enough people all the time."

    Extremely well said John Jeremiah Smith. I couldn’t possibly agree more.

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