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“In America,” observed Oscar Wilde, “the young are always ready to give to those who are older than themselves the full benefits of their inexperience.”

So it is with the activist kids who’ve emerged from the Parkland, Florida, school massacre of February 14th, in which 17 of their own were murdered.

Each one sounds like the proverbial teacher’s pet, groomed to take a monolithic message to the media.

Like their educators, these one-track minds “don’t impress me much.” The National Rifle Association (NRA) they invariably frame as big, bad and greedy; government as not big enough, generally good and certainly benign.

There are, indubitably, good arguments to be made against the NRA. The kids—who managed to be, for the most, rude, ungrammatical, sanctimonious and smarmy—failed to muster them.

Trained pets that they are, the dogged media kids of Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High seemed capable of focusing only on the one causal factor to the exclusion of all others: guns, their legal purveyors and their law-abiding owners.

The students who were front-and-center on the idiot’s lantern were unwilling to hold the shyster sheriff, Scott Israel, and his notoriously iffy Broward County department, responsible for—there is no way to finesse it—enabling, indulging, even grooming killer Nikolas Cruz over years. To students, the Broward County Sheriff’s Office (BSO) was blameless. Lackluster logic led them to the NRA alone.

One young media darling told of his love of Civics classes. This, while refusing to consider the state’s role in what were systemic and systematic failures.

Reliably derelict and criminally negligent, Sheriff Israel and his Broward County law enforcement didn’t “slip-up.” As a matter of progressive policies and philosophy, sheriff and officers had decided against protecting the people they had sworn to protect.

The BSO has been practicing the progressive penal abolition and restorative justice models of crime “prevention.” Yet our auditioning activists have refused to do their basic civic duty: hold this branch of government accountable for its end of the civic compact.

Out of the mouths of babes we hear that officer Scot Petersen and his compadres—they milled about outside Douglas High, while inside children were being riddled by bullets—were mere NRA scapegoats.

Almost unanimously unmoved were the kids by the fact the BSO had received 45 desperate calls over years, detailing homicidal threats made by the killer and violent, deviant altercations in which he was embroiled. Thirty-nine times had the Broward Sheriff’s officers visited the Cruz home in seven years. A critical mass of criminality and pathology was discounted by law-enforcement in ways at once callous, stupid and depravedly indifferent.

The one civic-minded kid could recite the purpose of a bicameral legislature, but cared not a bit about the imperative of government to protect life, liberty and property. Or, about the role of the Second Amendment in mitigating the effects of such a dangerous government. Likewise was the FBI given a pass for being every bit as criminally culpable as the Broward County sheriff and his lawful crime syndicate.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation is a repeat offender.

Coined by Patrick Pool, a national security and terrorism correspondent, the term “Known Wolf” denotes the relationship between the FBI and the dangerous criminals it’s supposed to neutralize. In almost all of America’s major terrorist attacks—and in the Florida, Parkland, school shooting, too—the FBI failed to stop well-known wolves. As far as I can tell, Parkland is the first time this rogue agency has admitted wrongdoing.

The good news for those of us who view government as the greater evil: The NRA has now been pitted against the FBI, and that’s an extra check on power.

Back to the kids: To top it all off, when asked what would make him feel safe enough to return to school, teacher’s pet du jour replied: “legislation.” He’s not going back to school until anti-gun legislation has been drafted.

Here’s a quick verbal drill for children whose minds have been turned into mush by menopausal, hippie teachers (those with the Y Chromosome, included): There’s an active shooter in school. What do you do? Reach for legislation? Remind the frenetically active shooter that he is flouting the legislation? Not quite.

You shelter in place, hunker down, look for an escape, run to a designated panic room or shelter. All the while, you hope the officers who took an oath to protect you don’t take a hiatus, as did Sheriff Scott Israel’s officers.

Another mantra kids keep regurgitating is that “authentic” learning requires complete freedom of access, open spaces and indiscriminate inclusivity. All cardinal lies and illogic.

To that effect, teachers have already been waxing fat: “Security makes us feel sad.” [Isn't feeling sad better than being dead?] “We’re here to learn and to teach.” [Since when are safety and scholarship mutually exclusive?] Ultimately, the strength of ideas rests on their relationship to reality. Contrary to the teachers who’re force-feeding students their uniform and uninformed ideas, the schools must be fortified.

Fortresses are facts of history. If young ignoramuses learned more history and less “social studies” and the imperative of activism; they’d know that since antiquity, fortification has protected and facilitated civilization.

Learning requires peace of mind. If fortress conditions are a prerequisite for survival—if fortification keeps the barbarians at bay—then the rational mind will find tranquility in security.

As a traditional libertarian, never a libertine, this writer agrees with the activist students of Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High on one matter. If anything has been affirmed by the heartbreaking murder of 17 people, it is that teens should not own guns. Even a cerebrally compromised biology teacher at a progressive school would surely second that, in individuals so young, the capacity for higher-level abstraction and advanced reasoning is not fully developed.

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An effort by retailers, not by regulators, to limit gun purchases by teens (practice and proficiency can still be pursued under adult supervision), should, ideally, be accompanied by efforts to repeal the Twenty-Sixth Amendment, smuggled into the Constitution by statute, to lower the voting age from 21 to 18, and artificially swell the ranks of Democratic voters.

Kids are Democrats by default.

And, if 18 is too young to vote, or to purchase firearms—18 is also too young to enlist!

“We are going to outlive these old men in congress,” declared a Douglas High School activist defiantly. Ageism is apparently quite fine when leveled at older white men. Well, then, let us agree that the wily “old men” in power should not be allowed to entice the young and the gullible to serve as cannon fodder in the recreational wars they routinely prosecute.

Ilana Mercer has been writing a weekly, paleolibertarian column since 1999. She is the author of “Into the Cannibal’s Pot: Lessons for America From Post-Apartheid South Africa (2011) & “The Trump Revolution: The Donald’s Creative Destruction Deconstructed (June, 2016). She’s on Twitter, Facebook,Gab & YouTube

 
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  1. Sean says:

    Unlike screen cops, real life cops can really get killed

    “Our first job is to make sure we go home to our families safe at night.”

    More guns or less guns won’t alter that brute fact.

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    • Replies: @Realist
    NO! The first job is to protect the public....period.
    , @Stan d Mute

    Unlike screen cops, real life cops can really get killed
     
    Yeah, such brave souls. Such a dangerous job. It ranks #14, safer than construction supervisors, salesmen, garbage men, and even landscapers...

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/2018/01/09/workplace-fatalities-25-most-dangerous-jobs-america/1002500001/

    Pablo, your leaf blower from Guatemala, is braver.
    , @Father O'Hara
    Most cops do have guts!
    , @tjm
    That is like hiring a body guard that runs every time there is any sign of danger.

    You hire cops to protect, and they GET PAID VERY VERY WELL. If we only have cops to hand out speeding tickets, we can pay them a whole lot less.

    Americans in the military get paid a whole lot less, and die a whole lot more, all for the Zionist money machine. And here in America, we see time and again, the same Zionists making police out to be more about protecting themselves, and the bankers, than about the protecting the people.
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  2. Dr. Doom says:

    Yeah seeing little kids being told by teachers to boycott the Bill of Rights warms my heart.

    Try raising taxes for more school funds next year NEA!

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    • Replies: @Not_one_of_You
    The Declaration of Independence of 1776 declared three unalienable rights of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" which arguably trump (sic) the second amendment of 1778 which reads:

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

    A "well-regulated militia" is far from the bastardised right to carry weapons around for no other reason than the carriers like them and are in fear, or see themselves as empowered by it.

    To rip into the children who see their right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as paramount and to smear them as "leftists", "liberals" and "Against the Constitution", before they even attain a reasoning age to choose a political bent, is certainly pathetic but also indicative of how distant the Constitution and its worthy ideas have become from the debate.

    What is missing is the reasoned consideration of why do school mass murders of even very young students happen so often in so many parts of the US (and other countries as well). Why would those who feel resentment or aggression or want to make a mark of their otherwise hopeless existences choose to do it by killing school children (and teachers).

    There must be at least two undeniable factors:-

    1. Weapons are easy to buy or otherwise get.
    2. School children are considered innocents and to harm them is spectacular, vile, unheard of and appalling.

    So how to reduce the incidence of these massacres? Either the availability of deadly weapons needs to be curtailed or the reasons why cretins who get guns attack the innocents needs to be analysed and counteracted in an effective way.

    The first solution is hard. The second solution is impossible.
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  3. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Mind you, this is a relatively well-ranked school—#50 in Florida.

    https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/florida/rankings

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    1. That's public schools. Few capable or privileged students attend those.
    2. #50 isn't very high. Quality falls off fast after the first dozen or two.
    3. It's Florida. Not exactly a hotbed of intellectualism.
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  4. “Kids are Democrats by default.”

    They are not registered Democrats. That would be their teachers and school administrators. The people these kids are supposed to learn from are telling them that the NRA killed their friends and teachers. It’s hard to fault children for believing what their teachers tell them.

    So why do “educators” lie to children about the NRA? Why do they teach white children to hate themselves? Why do they require pre-pubesent children to select a gender for themselves? They are creating passive, weak, confused, brain washed, useful idiots for the new left.

    “There are, indubitably, good arguments to be made against the NRA. The kids—who managed to be, for the most, rude, ungrammatical, sanctimonious and smarmy—failed to muster them.”

    Rude, ungrammatical, sanctimonious and smarmy qualifies them to be our future snow flakes. These kids are to be pitied Ilana.

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    • Replies: @Fidelios Automata
    Don't be so sure about that, Ilana. Generation Z, the post-millenials, promoses to be much more conservative, perhaps even alt-right.
    , @Corvinus
    "Why do they teach white children to hate themselves?"

    That's Fake News. Just like the author of the piece who is painting high schools as being "rude, ungrammatical, sanctimonious and smarmy". They are expressing their opinion on a matter that, like every issue before us, becomes political rather than practical in nature. Perhaps it is you and him that "sounds like the proverbial teacher’s pet, groomed to take a monolithic message to the media".
    , @Stan d Mute

    It’s hard to fault children for believing what their teachers tell them.
     
    Not for me. Didn’t you ever read Hans Christian Andersen? Children haven’t the adult capacity for self-delusion.

    I was raised by a (once) teacher with typically leftist/socialist dogmatic beliefs. All my teachers were of the same ilk. As a teenager I forced my parent into a complete sobbing hysterical mess by debating her until she had to admit that race was as real as concrete and just as immutable. Later in life, I confronted my aunt (her sister), a lifelong teacher, on her deathbed where she openly admitted her lifelong self-delusion but said her fellow travelers would violently deny the truth until on their own deathbed. She forced me to promise I’d convince a cousin to abort a mulatto fetus she was carrying.

    You wanna talk ethical dilemmas, that’s one right there. I’m probably damned eternally for failing to fulfill a deathbed promise I made...

    Point is, a bright kid NOTICES and has freewill to reject the nonsense that adults say. Some kids believe in Santa Claus until their parents finally confess. Those kids are stupid. Never underestimate stupid.

    Second point is that some smart people are inherently gullible. Never underestimate the power of gullible smart people for self-delusion. Often it will visibly manifest itself as “lack of common sense” or belief in something obviously illogical given known facts. Practically speaking, there’s not much distance between this and just plain stupid however.
    , @Joe Wong
    Trolling the same NRA obfuscation propaganda on UNZ Review? Are you believing the readers here are the school kids? Guns do not kill only people kills? My foot, both guns and people kills, without one or the other killing won't happen, get rid of guns is the integal part of the package to get rid of the massive killing of kids and music concert audience madness, the other part is to get rid of mad people by education that violence is bad. Get rid of guns is the easy part, it should be done first.

    Why does the people have the right to bear arms? Constitution right? BS, if constitution says it is alright to murder, are you going to follow the constitution and murder on rampage? Are you a zambie and can't think what is right and what is wrong? If you can't, definitely you should not be allowed to bear dangerous and harm arms. There is no enemy invading the USA, there is no need for the people to bear arms, that constitution was written at different time, and is no longer applicable, it is void and null, and no civilians should be allowed to bear arms.

    Exposing the NRA is insidious is teaching white kids hating themselves? You surely a Nazi and cold war strawman fallacy propagandist, linking irrelevant issues to stir up hatred.
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  5. They propose not letting folks buy guns until they’re 21.

    I will propose not letting folks vote till they’re at least 30.

    I’m surprised they’re not demanding letting these 13 year olds vote yet. Its coming…

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    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
    Age 21 is a more suitable point than age 18 to grant full adult rights and impose full adult responsibilities — seemingly more so now than 60 years or even 30 years ago, given the relative immaturity and lack of full life experience of many 18-20-year-old-kids these days.

    No gun ownership, no voting, no conscription, no smoking tobacco or marijuana, no hard liquor, until age 21.
    , @Philip Owen
    30 would be better. The peak age for armed murder is 27 in the US.
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  6. anoN • Disclaimer says:

    Whose fault? Parents? Teachers? PC? Pop Culture?

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    Teen Tantrums!!

    http://time.com/5164939/march-for-our-lives-florida-shooting/
    , @Realist
    She's a want to be slut.
    , @Stan d Mute
    The self-delusion (lack of self-awareness) is just staggering.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DV6fUmSUMAA7yzZ.jpg
    , @Reactionary Utopian
    Oh dear God, what IS it?

    Male? Female? One of the thousands of self-invented Genders of Crapola?

    Read the T-shirt ... the part over the vast belly. I guess that when our home-grown sluts set out to spell "invitation," their method is just to add the letter I, here and there, until it seems right.

    Anybody got any will-to-live that they can spare? Ever since seeing this image, I'm fresh out.
    , @jacques sheete
    And to think that Freddy Reed thinks that it's "dem Blacks" what's da problum.

    Heaven help us!
    , @Forbes
    Thanks for the warning. I wouldn't have known otherwise. LOL!
    , @HogHappenin
    Man I'd rather be trapped in my closet (NOOOO..not the homo kind ;) ) than approach someone like her (I am assuming this specimen here is an "her" :D ) except with a foot long stick (again not the meaty one) to ward her off me in case she tries to get too "friendly"!!

    Geez the "west" is now beyond sanity and this is the "Freedom" that they want to bring to the "lesser world" by way of MOABs!! Brilliant! Luckily I left the mad house sometime ago never ever to return

    , @markflag
    Who or what, pray tell, would want to have anything to do with that?
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  7. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Well done, Ilana.

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    Agreed (since I can't add an "Agree" tag).

    This may be the best piece of hers I've ever read.
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  8. @WorkingClass
    "Kids are Democrats by default."

    They are not registered Democrats. That would be their teachers and school administrators. The people these kids are supposed to learn from are telling them that the NRA killed their friends and teachers. It's hard to fault children for believing what their teachers tell them.

    So why do "educators" lie to children about the NRA? Why do they teach white children to hate themselves? Why do they require pre-pubesent children to select a gender for themselves? They are creating passive, weak, confused, brain washed, useful idiots for the new left.


    "There are, indubitably, good arguments to be made against the NRA. The kids—who managed to be, for the most, rude, ungrammatical, sanctimonious and smarmy—failed to muster them."

    Rude, ungrammatical, sanctimonious and smarmy qualifies them to be our future snow flakes. These kids are to be pitied Ilana.

    Don’t be so sure about that, Ilana. Generation Z, the post-millenials, promoses to be much more conservative, perhaps even alt-right.

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    • Replies: @Jake
    Much more conservative than what?

    Anything other than taking a stand to start rebuilding Christendom is pissing in the wind.
    , @Stan d Mute

    Don’t be so sure about that, Ilana. Generation Z, the post-millenials, promoses to be much more conservative, perhaps even alt-right.
     
    Perhaps a return to Gen X cynicism? And for similar reasons? Ilana writes about the absurdity of differing ages for different things. Here’s my anecdote: At 17 I was a soldier, handed an M16 and taught to kill. But I could not buy a gun. Could not vote. Could not buy an alcoholic beverage. Could not smoke a cigarette. When I turned 18, I could vote, smoke, and buy a gun, but couldn’t buy a beer unless I drove over a river or across an invisible line. When I was 21, I was finally an “adult”. But if I lit a joint, unquestionably safer than a gun or alcohol, I was a “criminal.”

    As a Gen X hyper cynic, none of that surprised me, it just reinforced the abject stupidity of the system created by dipshit hippie boomers and “The Greatest Generation” (unfounded arrogance much?).
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  9. Florida’s Baker Act (mental health law) allows police officers to take a person to a mental health facility for evaluation if he or she appears to the officer to be a threat to self or others. Interesting to know why Cruz never qualified for mandatory hospitalization.

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    Interesting to know why Cruz never qualified for mandatory hospitalization.

     

    Because he doesn't exist?
    , @TKK
    Indeed! I practiced law in Florida and represented about 15 people in Baker Acts.

    I’ll never forget a woman who was hearing impaired and her parents main evidence against her was that she had cereal for supper and had conversations with God. I got her out but it was enough to get her there and hold her for 72 hours.
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  10. Security in schools IS sad. I grew up in NYC in the 50s and 60s and there were no cops or security officers in the schools. Yes, it’s better to have armed guards in French class than to be dead. And disarming the general public requires a constitutional amendment and would be unlikely to pass, given the number of guns out there and the likely response to a campaign of door to door gun-grabbing. So if security is sad and disarmament is not feasible, what then? Mental health screening wouldn’t keep guns away from people willing to break the law to get them. Perhaps, unpleasant as it may be to contemplate, we need to ask ourselves why these episodes occur now and never occurred 50 years ago, when gun laws were looser than today. The liberal attitudes toward just about every subject have been harmful to the maintenance of a peaceful and harmonious society That includes the constant trashing of America and its traditional Christian culture by leftists, the promotion of sadistic violence and amorality by Hollywood, the normalization of divorce, random sex, single parent families and abortion, and the substitution of psychotherapy and drugs for religion and common-sense morality. Conservatives are reluctant to make this case because liberals will play that tape they keep on hand of people hooting and jeering, but we need a new generation of conservatives who are emboldened by the knowledge that they are right and that most people think so, even if those people have been largely bullied into silence. Let’s take advantage of the Trump interlude to encourage a proud and confident defiance of the left and its false and harmful ideas.

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    "Let’s take advantage of the Trump interlude to encourage a proud and confident defiance of the left and its false and harmful ideas."

    Yeah, well...good luck with that. Trump is now in agreement with the left on its "gun show loophole" nonsense. "Trump interlude", my ass. You can count on Trump to be absent when any real fight against the left is joined, and if he does chime in, it'll be on the side of his fellow NYC democrats.
    , @ThreeCranes
    I am very reluctant to say what I'm about to say because I don't want to give any whackos ideas, but....

    the left blames the semi-automatic so-called assault rifle, about which other worthy commenters have provided necessary information in the Derb's column and so on. For the purposes to which a school shooter wishes to put his firearm, there is another one in the closet of many American homes that would serve just as well or better; and that is the 12 gauge with a short barrel. Ammo is readily available and easy to carry, reloading is a cinch, point and shoot at close quarters is guaranteed to hit multiple targets etc. etc.( That being said, I don't want to get into arguments debating fine points with any of you about the virtues of the assault rifle vs. shotgun.)

    What this shows is that the motive is not just one of opportunity; it's not the murders per se. It's the image of blasting people with an assault rifle that the murderers find so alluring and this is proven by the fact that none of the notorious shooters have used a shotgun. Think about that for a moment. There is something to what Jack Daniels is saying. There is a cult-like status to these killings. They're about celebrity. They're about Hollywood and video games and those feature assault weapons, not the lowly pump shotgun.

    So in a perverse way, the school kids are right to focus on the assault rifle. But the assault rifle is just a symbol for what is broken in America today. Don't blame the kids for not knowing how to fix what their supposedly more learned Elders can't fix either. Call it the breakdown of social trust, decorum whatever, we have created this mess and are, for the present, stuck with it and until we stop glamorizing assault weapons in movies and popular culture it appears as though we will be for the foreseeable future.

    , @Stan d Mute

    Mental health screening wouldn’t keep guns away from people willing to break the law to get them.

     

    Even if it did, America’s worst school massacre was accomplished entirely without a gun (unless you count the killer’s suicide).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

    One Parkland parent gets it:

    https://youtu.be/vTLKp1e-S9g
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  11. CCZ says:
    @anoN
    Whose fault? Parents? Teachers? PC? Pop Culture?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DV6fUmSUMAA7yzZ.jpg
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  12. renfro says:

    Interesting to know why Cruz never qualified for mandatory hospitalization

    According to Miami Herald investigation the couple Cruz lived with claimed to be his financial advisors… although they did not have control of the $80,000 Cruz inherited from an insurance policy on his dead mother.
    They allowed him to have the guns….they said the guns were locked up but that Cruz had a key…so that tells us their mentality.
    He clearly needed to be put away but , they wouldn’t commit him . They did send him to some mental health clinic for counseling .

    All round fail by all involved….including the FBI who he was reported to for writing on line about his desire to kill people and the FBI interviewed the guy who reported him but never took it further or communicated this to local Fla police.

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  13. Biff says:

    We need legislation for more back-ground checks! to make sure unstable, would-be homicidal maniacs are not allowed to get their hands on each other and breed – producing another school shooter.

    You have no right to create a monster!

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    Ban overseas adoption!
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  14. There must be something wrong. Ms Mercer finally wrote a piece that mostly made sense.

    Anyway, what needs to be defunded, defanged and disarmed are government thugs, and this was a issue since the beginning of the so called “republic.”

    The Izzy first crowd and their lickspittle puppet politicians are also highly responsible for the cultural degradation at the heart of all this, but without the willing cooperation of stupid goyim they’d get nowhere. (See #6….and btw, thanks for that. I’ll probably have nightmares for years as a result!)

    Guns (and military hardware) are NOT the source of the problem; stupid people are.

    PS: The quality of “teachers” in this country could not be more appalling if they were actively bred and selected for brainlessness, and our general reliance on bureaucrats to “protect” and “teach” our kids are key defects of this pathetic society.

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    • Replies: @anon
    Keep the guns.

    Ban the schools.

    The Second Amendment protects the right to bear arms, but nothing in the US Constitution or Bill of Rights mandates that the public support education/indoctrination factories.

    Privatize all education. NO tax money for indoctrination/education.

    Parents should be responsible for the raising and education of their children -- financially & in every other way.

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  15. Wally says:

    Why aren’t these leftist twits protesting against the violent US foreign policy in the Middle East?

    Why does the left support US taxpayer funding of Israel and it’s truly racist, violent, & apartheid, Jews Only immigration policies?

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    Why aren’t these leftist twits protesting against the violent US foreign policy in the Middle East?
     
    We could add Asia, Africa, Europe, and South America to that as well and the cuckservatives are every bit as sick.

    It's disheartening to see that so many are calling for more government and more legislation as solutions to the problem. Well, I got news for anyone who thinks so, and it's that there are no political solutions for moral deficiencies, and this cesspool is full of such.

    Reliance on "government" and the parasites who're attracted to it proves and exacerbates the problems.


    Mercy said it well.:

    Wherever an army is established, it introduces a revolution in manners, corrupts the morals, propagates every species of vice, and degrades the human character.”
    Mercy Otis Warren, Revolution-era historian,
    History of the Rise, Progress, and Termination of the American Revolution vol. 1, Ch3, 1805

    http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=1872
     
    We are living proof of her claims.
    , @Stan d Mute

    Why does the left support US taxpayer funding of Israel and it’s truly racist, violent, & apartheid, Jews Only immigration policies?
     
    BDS is a LEFTIST movement.

    America sucks off Israel because 100,000,000 evangelicals fanatically believe the Jews must be there for their Messiah to return and carry them all off to Heaven.

    Leftist commie Jews support Israel because they’re Jews. They oppose Israel’s “apartheid” state. I know many NeoCon Jews who believe some Sub-Saharan Bantu groups are crypto Jews and strongly oppose Israel expelling them.
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  16. @Jonathan Mason
    Florida's Baker Act (mental health law) allows police officers to take a person to a mental health facility for evaluation if he or she appears to the officer to be a threat to self or others. Interesting to know why Cruz never qualified for mandatory hospitalization.

    Interesting to know why Cruz never qualified for mandatory hospitalization.

    Because he doesn’t exist?

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  17. Realist says:
    @Sean
    Unlike screen cops, real life cops can really get killed

    “Our first job is to make sure we go home to our families safe at night.”
     
    More guns or less guns won't alter that brute fact.

    NO! The first job is to protect the public….period.

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    NO! The first job is to protect the public….period.
     
    If only. The concept exists mainly in our dreams, and people would do well to understand that government is a protection racket and that bureaucrats are mostly sadists.

    Here's a much more informative article on the subject.:

    Florida School Massacre Proves Police Are Worthless In Protecting Us

    ... police officers have NO OBLIGATION to protect the American citizenry

    “Why do we have more than a million cops on the taxpayer-funded payroll in this country whose jobs do not entail protecting our safety, maintaining the peace in our communities, and upholding our liberties?

    … “I’ll tell you why.

    “This is no longer* a government ‘of the people, by the people, for the people.’

    “It is fast becoming a government ‘of the rich, by the elite, for the corporations,’ and its rise to power is predicated on shackling the American taxpayer to a life of indentured servitude.

    “Cops in America may get paid by the citizenry, but they don’t work for us.

    “They don’t answer to us. They’re not loyal to us.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/03/chuck-baldwin/florida-school-massacre-proves-police-are-worthless-in-protecting-us/
     
    *The author makes an error here. He should have written that it never was a government of, for and by the people.
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  18. Realist says:
    @anoN
    Whose fault? Parents? Teachers? PC? Pop Culture?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DV6fUmSUMAA7yzZ.jpg

    She’s a want to be slut.

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  19. Everything we know about what transpired in Parkland indicates this is a municipal, county and state issue.

    What is also unclear is that these times types of crimes are rare, and very unpredictable. even in the case of this young, it would be hard to predict. Though there seems to gave been a lot warnings and multiple opportunities to intervene.

    The FBI may have failed, but they are the least culpable in the failures that occurred as far down as the students inability or unwillingness to connect this young man to community such that even an emotional attachment, if possible, would serve barrier to hurting others as reciprocal response to hurts. Before students of course is home life. It is likely that the loss of his mother was traumatic enough to make him unreachable.

    In either case the NRA ids far down the chain in responsibility.

    And I would think the educators, counselors, psychiatrists, law enforcement, and political leadership are keenly aware of that. It may be hard to see that now in the midst of trauma, but it’s really obvious from afar of the trauma, the failure is not that of the NRA.

    Sometimes things occur which are the fault of others, but blaming the NRA and guns is scapegoating.

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  20. This is just an extreme consequence of American idolization of youth & horror of old age. In virtually all traditional cultures, as well as in normal, expansionist West, mature age & old age were honored & respected.

    In Murica it’s airhead kids that are envied & glorified. You get what you ask.

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    In Murica it’s airhead kids that are envied & glorified. You get what you ask.
     
    Indeed. And while it’s pretty indisputable that this began in earnest with “The Greatest Generation” mollycoddling the Boomers, I think it truly began earlier with “The Lost Generation” mollycoddling “The Beat Generation”. Perhaps even earlier with the “Progressive/Missionary Generation(s)” mollycoddling the “GI/Silent Generation(s)” (think the “Roaring Twenties” excesses).

    Perhaps the horrors of Civil War, WWI & WWII screwed them up so badly they were unable to properly harden their children to Reality.

    Anyway, we see today the bubble wrapped snowflakes masturbating to anime porn and eschewing all responsibility in the Millennials. This all from a hyper cynical Gen X calling himself “stand mute”...
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  21. @jack daniels
    Security in schools IS sad. I grew up in NYC in the 50s and 60s and there were no cops or security officers in the schools. Yes, it's better to have armed guards in French class than to be dead. And disarming the general public requires a constitutional amendment and would be unlikely to pass, given the number of guns out there and the likely response to a campaign of door to door gun-grabbing. So if security is sad and disarmament is not feasible, what then? Mental health screening wouldn't keep guns away from people willing to break the law to get them. Perhaps, unpleasant as it may be to contemplate, we need to ask ourselves why these episodes occur now and never occurred 50 years ago, when gun laws were looser than today. The liberal attitudes toward just about every subject have been harmful to the maintenance of a peaceful and harmonious society That includes the constant trashing of America and its traditional Christian culture by leftists, the promotion of sadistic violence and amorality by Hollywood, the normalization of divorce, random sex, single parent families and abortion, and the substitution of psychotherapy and drugs for religion and common-sense morality. Conservatives are reluctant to make this case because liberals will play that tape they keep on hand of people hooting and jeering, but we need a new generation of conservatives who are emboldened by the knowledge that they are right and that most people think so, even if those people have been largely bullied into silence. Let's take advantage of the Trump interlude to encourage a proud and confident defiance of the left and its false and harmful ideas.

    “Let’s take advantage of the Trump interlude to encourage a proud and confident defiance of the left and its false and harmful ideas.”

    Yeah, well…good luck with that. Trump is now in agreement with the left on its “gun show loophole” nonsense. “Trump interlude”, my ass. You can count on Trump to be absent when any real fight against the left is joined, and if he does chime in, it’ll be on the side of his fellow NYC democrats.

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    ... if [Trump] does chime in, it’ll be on the side of his fellow NYC democrats.
     
    You got dat right. Unsurprisingly, that moron gets more disgusting by the day. (Hillary would have been worse, if possible.)

    'Take the guns first': Senators were blown away by Trump's blatant dismissal of due process on guns

    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gun-control-due-process-confiscation-comments-2018-2

     

    A belligerent numbskull like Trump with his grubby mitts all over a vast array of weapons is the first among those whose guns need confiscation. What sane person would trust that infant with so much as a pocket knife?
    , @Truth

    and if he does chime in, it’ll be on the side of his fellow NYC democrats.
     
    You don't even have an idea, yet!

    Hey guys, your president just turned the heat up to 10!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdNJZq9ky9Y
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  22. n230099 says:

    “Reliably derelict and criminally negligent, Sheriff Israel and his Broward County law enforcement didn’t “slip-up.” As a matter of progressive policies and philosophy, sheriff and officers had decided against protecting the people they had sworn to protect.”

    Until the kids understand this they will continue to impotently shake their fists at the sky.

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  23. Jake says:
    @Fidelios Automata
    Don't be so sure about that, Ilana. Generation Z, the post-millenials, promoses to be much more conservative, perhaps even alt-right.

    Much more conservative than what?

    Anything other than taking a stand to start rebuilding Christendom is pissing in the wind.

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  24. In my opinion Ilana Mercer is one step away being a brilliant.
    My opinion is that no person should be allowed to purchase a weapon unless she or he is married with at least one child. Only at that point the person reaches real maturity.

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    My opinion is that no person should be allowed to purchase a weapon unless she or he is married with at least one child. Only at that point the person reaches real maturity.
     
    You do realize that in the real America, tens of millions of firearms are passed from father to son often when sons are in grade school? And that this has been going on since we were still Colonies? Remarkably, these are NEVER the guns used in mass killings...

    I wonder why?
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  25. @Wally
    Why aren't these leftist twits protesting against the violent US foreign policy in the Middle East?

    Why does the left support US taxpayer funding of Israel and it's truly racist, violent, & apartheid, Jews Only immigration policies?

    Why aren’t these leftist twits protesting against the violent US foreign policy in the Middle East?

    We could add Asia, Africa, Europe, and South America to that as well and the cuckservatives are every bit as sick.

    It’s disheartening to see that so many are calling for more government and more legislation as solutions to the problem. Well, I got news for anyone who thinks so, and it’s that there are no political solutions for moral deficiencies, and this cesspool is full of such.

    Reliance on “government” and the parasites who’re attracted to it proves and exacerbates the problems.

    Mercy said it well.:

    Wherever an army is established, it introduces a revolution in manners, corrupts the morals, propagates every species of vice, and degrades the human character.”
    Mercy Otis Warren, Revolution-era historian,
    History of the Rise, Progress, and Termination of the American Revolution vol. 1, Ch3, 1805

    http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=1872

    We are living proof of her claims.

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    Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. ~ James Madison
     
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  26. … unless she or he is married with at least one child. Only at that point the person reaches real maturity.

    If only that were true. At best, that’s only a tiny beginning. At least in the US, the bulk of the masses die as emotional, moral and intellectual infants. Or worse.

    The most immature are the power seekers such as politicians. Connect the dots.

    Israeli lawmaker tells BBC he’d put Ahed Tamimi ‘in the hospital’ by kicking her face

    http://mondoweiss.net/2018/02/israeli-lawmaker-hospital/

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  27. @Realist
    NO! The first job is to protect the public....period.

    NO! The first job is to protect the public….period.

    If only. The concept exists mainly in our dreams, and people would do well to understand that government is a protection racket and that bureaucrats are mostly sadists.

    Here’s a much more informative article on the subject.:

    Florida School Massacre Proves Police Are Worthless In Protecting Us

    … police officers have NO OBLIGATION to protect the American citizenry

    “Why do we have more than a million cops on the taxpayer-funded payroll in this country whose jobs do not entail protecting our safety, maintaining the peace in our communities, and upholding our liberties?

    … “I’ll tell you why.

    “This is no longer* a government ‘of the people, by the people, for the people.’

    “It is fast becoming a government ‘of the rich, by the elite, for the corporations,’ and its rise to power is predicated on shackling the American taxpayer to a life of indentured servitude.

    “Cops in America may get paid by the citizenry, but they don’t work for us.

    “They don’t answer to us. They’re not loyal to us.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/03/chuck-baldwin/florida-school-massacre-proves-police-are-worthless-in-protecting-us/

    *The author makes an error here. He should have written that it never was a government of, for and by the people.

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    Do the SWOT analysis: what's working, what's not working, in Broward Co. FL?

    Mercer argues that the students of the Parkland school are ninnies, they don't know the Civics they boast of studying.
    The public education system in Broward Co. is not working properly.
    anon, @33, is onto something: ban public indoctrination factories. Make parents take responsibility for babysitting and, incidentally, raising their children.

    The security guards did not do their job.
    Basic security failed in Broward County.
    Fire the lot of them.

    Sheriff Israel is a Fail.
    Shut down the entire department.

    The people of Broward County should acquire guns to arm a "well regulated militia" to guard their town, their institutions, their children.

    MORE government does not equal more security, more academic achievement, and the government should NEVER have been established public schools as a substitute for parenting children.

    BAN taxpayer funded schools.

    Smirconish is a radio host in Phila; his producer was his children's Montessori teacher. Parents should educate their children themselves, or hire the teachers/tutors they think best.

    , @Realist
    A sad state of affairs.That is why the right to own guns id imperative.
    , @Vojkan
    After reading the linked article, I think the whole thing stinks "false flag" to high heavens, again. I wonder how many false flags the Americans have to endure until they finally wake up, or will that not happen until they eventually find themselves in a full-fledged Eurasia type dictatorship?
    , @Anonymous
    Don't forget

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
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  28. wayfarer says:

    “The enemy is fear. We think it is hate. But it is really fear.”
    ― Mahatma Gandhi

    Analysis of False Flag Psyop at Stoneman Douglas H.S. in Parkland FL.

    Intel Officer: Globalists Attempting to Start World War

    Dr. Steve Pieczenik Considers the Parkland Florida False Flag

    Distortion of Reality and the Information Singularity

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    Two videos together suggest that Pieczenik is an Israeli gatekeeper.

    Top video: claim that "Yonathan Netanyahu would have been better than Bibi" is, in my contrarian opinion, wrong: Yoni was hotheaded, unstable, and more eager to fight/shoot than engage in a carefully composed plan; that's what got him killed.
    I also think Yoni was not the apple of his father's eye, as the hagiography would have us believe: Yoni's upbringing was actually rather troubled, partly due to his father, Benzion Netanyahu's, eagerness to travel back and forth from Israel to Canada and USA in pursuit of his "scholarship." These moves were destabilizing to Yoni, set him back academically. At one point, Yoni left his family while Benzion was in USA and found 'refuge' in Israeli military -- that was his 'family.'
    If you think about the Hebrew myths (that Rabbi Purimface says are "Judeo- not Christian" (and I'm pleased as punch to let 'em have 'em) and the number of times the first-born son is sacrificed or cheated out of his primogeniture, then apply that to the Netanyahus, it's even possible to speculate that Yoni was deliberately killed at Entebbe.

    That's one little thing Pieczenik said.

    Also in top video, Pieczenik's concern is to protect Israel and to keep Iran contained. Maybe in other interviews w/ Infowars he's expressed concern w/ Israel's distorting influence on US policy, or on Israel's numerous and flagrant violations of human rights, nuclear oversight, expansionism, general scoff-law pattern of behavior, but in the top video, he's just concerned about Iran "puffing its chest" and, first time in centuries, Iran allying with other powers. That's music to my ears; that's the kind of take-down Israel richly deserves and demands if it's ever to evolve into a civilized state.

    Bottom video: Pieczenik talks a lot about "creating fiction/narratives," and an "apocalypse" of false-flags; in other words, the scammers have overplayed their hand.

    This is an amplification of the comment that Ron Suskind quoted: "We create reality . . . You diligently investigate . . . but we are always a step or two ahead of you" (paraphrase).

    In his exploration of the thinking of Francis Bacon, Alan Kors described "ant thinking, spider thinking, and bee thinking."
    Ants diligently gather up stuff but don't put it to any effective use.
    Spiders draw upon their own internal substance and spin a web with it, but it may not be grounded in any external reality (i.e. they create their own reality).
    Bees diligently gather up stuff, take it to the hive where it is organized logically and put to effective and creative use. That is, "bees" observe and gather information from all of nature, and apply logic to it to discern Reality.

    Jews are the world's Spiders, Abrahamism is "spiderology" -- Maimonides tells us as much in this explanation of "Abraham and the Idol Shop:"


    Maimonides Mishnah Torah Laws of Idolatry 1:3
    http://learn.conservativeyeshiva.org/introduction-to-rabbinic-midrash-1-lesson-1-avraham-and-the-idol-shop/
    Abraham did not have a mentor, but was immersed amongst the stupid idolaters of Ur Casdim, where everyone, including his mother and father, served idols, as did he. In his heart, however, he continued to contemplate, until he realized the way of truth and understood the ways of righteousness from nature, and knew that there is a God who directs the spheres, created the world, and besides whom there is none other. He also knew that the whole world was erring, and knew that what caused the mistake was that they [had] worshiped the stars and figures for so long that the truth had vanished.

    Abraham was forty years old when he recognized his Creator.

    Once he achieved this, he began to reason with the inhabitants of Ur Casdim and to argue with them, saying that by serving idols they were not following the way of truth. He broke their images, and began to proclaim that it is not fitting to serve anyone other than God, and to Him it is fitting to bow down and to offer drink sacrifices and sacrifices to, so that all creation will recognize Him.

    Abraham also proclaimed that it was fitting to break and destroy all the figures, so that nobody will err on account of them, like those who imagined that there is no God except for their idols did.
     

    As I read this, Abraham insisted that the stuff of HIS thoughts represented ultimate, and that he had a right to destroy the (beliefs) of others and insist that they recognize the "reality that emerged from Abraham's thinking, his "spiderweb." (Because Abraham was exceptional.)

    This statement is particularly important:

    "He also knew that the whole world was erring, and knew that what caused the mistake was that they [had] worshiped the stars and figures for so long that the truth had vanished.

    In my opinion, the Epiphany is the most important element of the Birth of Jesus celebration: The Persian Wise men -- astrologers -- studied the "stars" because they recognized that they reflected a natural order of the universe; they were "bees" who gathered information and analyzed it logically. It led them to the child Jesus, in a moment that represented the melding of Eastern/Persian astrological/navigational skills (and a henotheistic outlook) with Western/Greek logos -- reason, logic.
    E Michael Jones focuses on the first words of John's gospel: "In the beginning was the word (logos) . . ." but I wish he would take his thinking further: "And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us."
    (I also prefer Jones's explanation of "logos" to Pieczenik's discourse on fiction/narratives/apocalypse, etc., but both contribute to the filling in the total picture.)
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obtgaZ97Kdc

    At the Epiphany, the Magi followed the Logos of the universe -- the logic of the stars -- and found Jesus, Logos made Flesh.

    As the rest of the story goes, Herod felt threatened by the possibility of a king who would grow to displace him; he asked the Magi to return to him to share their discovery of this child, but they took a different route to avoid Herod, whereupon Herod ordered the Slaughter of the Innocents.

    As Pieczenik intimates, the various 'false flags' are related and share a purpose. It's useful to define the various groups that are set up for radicalization/dividing off from the unified community in each event. On the day after Trump's inauguration, Leftists inserted a divisive wedge between Pussyhats and the Trump polity; Pulse and SanBernardino seem obvious.

    I think Charlottesville and Parkland are related:

    A DailyBeast article hyperventilates about the supposed etching of swastikas on Nikolas Cruz's gun, making of Cruz, a Jew, a "racist and antisemite" ergo a "terrorist" who "may have shot students in a Holocaust history class." https://www.thedailybeast.com/nikolas-cruz-was-a-racist-does-that-make-his-attack-terrorism
    (This is, of course, very confusing, inasmuch as it's hard to know if Cruz is Jewish, white, or brown; there is no evidence that there were non-white students at Parkland, so everyone Cruz shot was White. Is Daily Beast arguing that for a mixed-race Jew to kill Whites = racism?

    In addition to Tiki torches, there were swastikas at Charlottesville:
    Guns don't kill people,
    swastikas kill people.

    The behind-the-scenes work that took place in the aftermath of Charlottesville was carried out within Christian and Catholic churches, under the advisory thumb of ADL. That is, the ADL was able to instrumentalize major Christian denominations to reinforce the Holocaust narrative and the anti-white narrative. I submit that this was done by bringing Jewish influence to bear on Black leadership within the Episcopal and Roman Catholic hierarchy (this is not the first time Jews have used Blacks to promote Jewish interests, even at the expense of the target group.

    Rabbi Purimface rounds out the overall plan: having made good use of the hyphenated Judeo - Christian scorpion-and-frog duo and achieved Judeo- purposes, the Rabbi says, Begone, Christians! We Jews don't need you anymore
    (the Magi were no frogs).
    http://l5r.wikia.com/wiki/File:Scorpion_and_Frog.jpg

    Overall, I agree w/ Piecznik that a metanarrative of False Flags is being unfolded; that it is old and suffering from repetition to the point that no one believes the scheme or its purveyors anymore, a situation that is creating societal chaos.

    I think the schools are lost. Done, stick a fork in them.

    Why, for example, was Holocaust being taught in a US taxpayer school? If it can't be challenged critically, and as the San Rialto (in SanBernardino, CA https://www.sbsun.com/2015/05/02/rialto-unified-holocaust-assignment-one-year-later/) debacle taught us, it can't, then it's a religious dogma, and the kids in the Civics class should know that it is not permitted to endorse a religious dogma with public funds.

    Taxpayers throughout the USA should March on their School Councils and Boards of Education; get US government OUT of US public schools; to the extent that communities support taxpayer-funded schools at all, return them to the very close oversight of their immediate communities.

    The mainstream churches offer only slightly more hope for ability to reform; detoxifying and re-educating the people in the pews might still be possible, though very difficult.

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  29. @Biff
    We need legislation for more back-ground checks! to make sure unstable, would-be homicidal maniacs are not allowed to get their hands on each other and breed - producing another school shooter.

    You have no right to create a monster!

    Ban overseas adoption!

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    Ban overseas adoption!
     
    Why?
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  30. The Florida school shooting was a false flag psy ops by the deep state, a student Alexia Miednik said she was walking down the hall in the school with Cruz while the shooting was going on and a teacher Stacy Lippel said that she saw a shooter in full swat team dress and gear shooting down a hall, and there is another video of 4 men in dark garb carrying a black gear bag out of the school and leaving the area, the official story is a lie.

    This is a deep state gun control operation just like Sandy Hook, where by the way the school was closed in 2008 and no one was killed, and the Boston Bombing where the two brothers were framed and again no one was killed and it was a drill just like Sandy Hook and Florida and San Bernadino, and where are the security camera videos of the Florida school shooting, ie all of these were deep state false flags.

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  31. Liljoe says:

    It also pays. The GoFundMe page for the March for our lives has raised over $6million to date and rising. Not to mention the celebrity status of the crisis actors appearances on Ellen and Oprah etc

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  32. @Twodees Partain
    "Let’s take advantage of the Trump interlude to encourage a proud and confident defiance of the left and its false and harmful ideas."

    Yeah, well...good luck with that. Trump is now in agreement with the left on its "gun show loophole" nonsense. "Trump interlude", my ass. You can count on Trump to be absent when any real fight against the left is joined, and if he does chime in, it'll be on the side of his fellow NYC democrats.

    … if [Trump] does chime in, it’ll be on the side of his fellow NYC democrats.

    You got dat right. Unsurprisingly, that moron gets more disgusting by the day. (Hillary would have been worse, if possible.)

    ‘Take the guns first’: Senators were blown away by Trump’s blatant dismissal of due process on guns

    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gun-control-due-process-confiscation-comments-2018-2

    A belligerent numbskull like Trump with his grubby mitts all over a vast array of weapons is the first among those whose guns need confiscation. What sane person would trust that infant with so much as a pocket knife?

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    Yes, that little gaffe made me hope that there's some truth to the description of a president in one of Kurt Vonnegut Jr.'s novels : that the prez has no real power. He's like a baby in a car seat with a little steering wheel to keep him entertained.

    In the case of Trump, we'd better hope that the ninnies he's surrounded himself with are at least a little smarter than he is.
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  33. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete
    There must be something wrong. Ms Mercer finally wrote a piece that mostly made sense.

    Anyway, what needs to be defunded, defanged and disarmed are government thugs, and this was a issue since the beginning of the so called "republic."

    The Izzy first crowd and their lickspittle puppet politicians are also highly responsible for the cultural degradation at the heart of all this, but without the willing cooperation of stupid goyim they'd get nowhere. (See #6....and btw, thanks for that. I'll probably have nightmares for years as a result!)

    Guns (and military hardware) are NOT the source of the problem; stupid people are.

    PS: The quality of "teachers" in this country could not be more appalling if they were actively bred and selected for brainlessness, and our general reliance on bureaucrats to "protect" and "teach" our kids are key defects of this pathetic society.

    Keep the guns.

    Ban the schools.

    The Second Amendment protects the right to bear arms, but nothing in the US Constitution or Bill of Rights mandates that the public support education/indoctrination factories.

    Privatize all education. NO tax money for indoctrination/education.

    Parents should be responsible for the raising and education of their children — financially & in every other way.

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    "Parents should be responsible for the raising and education of their children — financially & in every other way."

    Exactly. Which means if they choose to have public schools and desire to pay for them, that is their responsibility. So your proposal to "ban the schools" is 1) nonsense and 2) fascist.
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  34. Tasteless. A consensus seems to be developing, though, that Generation Z, born from the mid-90s down to a point we can’t yet determine, leans to the left politically.

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  35. Kids in a government school promoting government. News at 11.

    It is not true that kids are born democrat. It takes YEARS of government school indoctrination to produce little communists.

    If they were working at 14 like I was then they’d be pretty pissed off about the social security tax plus income tax on their wages.

    And the author is SO WRONG about guns. The handling of guns at early ages is the exact antidote to the anti-gun hysteria of these kids.

    Had these kids been schooled in the use of firearms they’d be ANGRY they are held hostage to nincompoops and disallowed from defending themselves.

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    It is not true that kids are born democrat. It takes YEARS of government school indoctrination to produce little communists.
     
    True, and tragically it's been going on for generations.

    Our societal cesspool went full commie nearly a century ago and was done for the benefit of a handful of big businesses. Anyone who doubts that would do well to review the "Swopes Plan," (taking particular note of what Swopes was) and FDR's appeasement of Stalin and his implementation of the various iterations of the "New Deals" which were essentially Americanized forms of Stalin's 5 year plans for utilizing slave labor.
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  36. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    NO! The first job is to protect the public….period.
     
    If only. The concept exists mainly in our dreams, and people would do well to understand that government is a protection racket and that bureaucrats are mostly sadists.

    Here's a much more informative article on the subject.:

    Florida School Massacre Proves Police Are Worthless In Protecting Us

    ... police officers have NO OBLIGATION to protect the American citizenry

    “Why do we have more than a million cops on the taxpayer-funded payroll in this country whose jobs do not entail protecting our safety, maintaining the peace in our communities, and upholding our liberties?

    … “I’ll tell you why.

    “This is no longer* a government ‘of the people, by the people, for the people.’

    “It is fast becoming a government ‘of the rich, by the elite, for the corporations,’ and its rise to power is predicated on shackling the American taxpayer to a life of indentured servitude.

    “Cops in America may get paid by the citizenry, but they don’t work for us.

    “They don’t answer to us. They’re not loyal to us.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/03/chuck-baldwin/florida-school-massacre-proves-police-are-worthless-in-protecting-us/
     
    *The author makes an error here. He should have written that it never was a government of, for and by the people.

    Do the SWOT analysis: what’s working, what’s not working, in Broward Co. FL?

    Mercer argues that the students of the Parkland school are ninnies, they don’t know the Civics they boast of studying.
    The public education system in Broward Co. is not working properly.
    anon, @33, is onto something: ban public indoctrination factories. Make parents take responsibility for babysitting and, incidentally, raising their children.

    The security guards did not do their job.
    Basic security failed in Broward County.
    Fire the lot of them.

    Sheriff Israel is a Fail.
    Shut down the entire department.

    The people of Broward County should acquire guns to arm a “well regulated militia” to guard their town, their institutions, their children.

    MORE government does not equal more security, more academic achievement, and the government should NEVER have been established public schools as a substitute for parenting children.

    BAN taxpayer funded schools.

    Smirconish is a radio host in Phila; his producer was his children’s Montessori teacher. Parents should educate their children themselves, or hire the teachers/tutors they think best.

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    MORE government does not equal more security, more academic achievement, and the government should NEVER have been established public schools as a substitute for parenting children.
     
    Hey, them parents don't have the time to parent, they gotta make munnah! ;)

    Your proposals are a good start.

    Placing children under the care of (particularly stupid) bureaucrats is not only a shirking of responsibility, but is child abuse as well.

    But then, most people aren't fit to have anything to do with raising children either.
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  37. Covergirl says:

    Hahahahahah!

    Wow, you have the balls to even speak such twaddle. You really should look into a getting a rectal-craniotomy. Counseling at least. This is one of the most deranged pieces of drivel I’ve yet encountered – and that’s saying alot considering Ann Coulter still lives.

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    This is one of the most deranged pieces of drivel I’ve yet encountered – and that’s saying alot considering Ann Coulter still lives.
     
    tell em grrl

    those children were murdered by Donald Trump and the NRA- and the racist white men who belong to it!

    the bullets flying out of that assault weapon were white men's wrath at a world of color and LGBT identity that they can't oppress anymore.

    We even heard right away how Cruz is a white supremacist, and trained at a white supremacist militia camp! Even the ADL said so!!!

    so we can try to blame the kids or the heroic Sherriff..

    here he is next to a Lamborghini

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2f/d3/07/2fd307f44733cd434e27f6641bc57050.jpg

    at a Ferrari dealership, (probably shopping for some new cruisers)

    one of several cruisers he's had plastered with his mug

    http://media.local10.com/photo/2015/11/26/BSO-sheriff-israel-car_656923_ver1.0_1280_720.jpg

    when your ego is bigger than the county, do you risk your neck to save a few children? What are their lives compared to a Broward Sherriff's deputy!

    It's time we put the blame squarely where it belongs - white men (and specifically Donald Trump who is enabling them)

    and the racist society they're trying to cling to, just as they cling to their racist guns

    Our children will never be safe as long as racist white [redundant] men have access to guns.

    Scott Israel and his deputies are the only ones who have any business with guns.

    , @Twodees Partain
    Aw, look. Another little communist troll toddles out into the ring. You're so cute that I could just pinch your little head off.
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  38. One young media darling told of his love of Civics classes. This, while refusing to consider the state’s role in what were systemic and systematic failures.

    Civics classes that self-evidently FAILED to teach ANYTHING about the point and purpose of the 2nd Amendment. What are the odds on 10A?

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  39. @anonymous
    Do the SWOT analysis: what's working, what's not working, in Broward Co. FL?

    Mercer argues that the students of the Parkland school are ninnies, they don't know the Civics they boast of studying.
    The public education system in Broward Co. is not working properly.
    anon, @33, is onto something: ban public indoctrination factories. Make parents take responsibility for babysitting and, incidentally, raising their children.

    The security guards did not do their job.
    Basic security failed in Broward County.
    Fire the lot of them.

    Sheriff Israel is a Fail.
    Shut down the entire department.

    The people of Broward County should acquire guns to arm a "well regulated militia" to guard their town, their institutions, their children.

    MORE government does not equal more security, more academic achievement, and the government should NEVER have been established public schools as a substitute for parenting children.

    BAN taxpayer funded schools.

    Smirconish is a radio host in Phila; his producer was his children's Montessori teacher. Parents should educate their children themselves, or hire the teachers/tutors they think best.

    MORE government does not equal more security, more academic achievement, and the government should NEVER have been established public schools as a substitute for parenting children.

    Hey, them parents don’t have the time to parent, they gotta make munnah! ;)

    Your proposals are a good start.

    Placing children under the care of (particularly stupid) bureaucrats is not only a shirking of responsibility, but is child abuse as well.

    But then, most people aren’t fit to have anything to do with raising children either.

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  40. @Backwoods Bob
    Kids in a government school promoting government. News at 11.

    It is not true that kids are born democrat. It takes YEARS of government school indoctrination to produce little communists.

    If they were working at 14 like I was then they'd be pretty pissed off about the social security tax plus income tax on their wages.

    And the author is SO WRONG about guns. The handling of guns at early ages is the exact antidote to the anti-gun hysteria of these kids.

    Had these kids been schooled in the use of firearms they'd be ANGRY they are held hostage to nincompoops and disallowed from defending themselves.

    It is not true that kids are born democrat. It takes YEARS of government school indoctrination to produce little communists.

    True, and tragically it’s been going on for generations.

    Our societal cesspool went full commie nearly a century ago and was done for the benefit of a handful of big businesses. Anyone who doubts that would do well to review the “Swopes Plan,” (taking particular note of what Swopes was) and FDR’s appeasement of Stalin and his implementation of the various iterations of the “New Deals” which were essentially Americanized forms of Stalin’s 5 year plans for utilizing slave labor.

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  41. Or, about the role of the Second Amendment in mitigating the effects of abolishing such a dangerous government.

    Fixed that for you Ms Mercer. As a South African you may be forgiven for such an error.

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  42. when asked what would make him feel safe enough to return to school, teacher’s pet du jour replied: “legislation.”

    This is of course exactly why the Browards Cowards and Federal Bureau of Incompetents carry pens instead of pistols and wear bulletproof vests made of legislation.

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  43. @Sean
    Unlike screen cops, real life cops can really get killed

    “Our first job is to make sure we go home to our families safe at night.”
     
    More guns or less guns won't alter that brute fact.

    Unlike screen cops, real life cops can really get killed

    Yeah, such brave souls. Such a dangerous job. It ranks #14, safer than construction supervisors, salesmen, garbage men, and even landscapers…

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/2018/01/09/workplace-fatalities-25-most-dangerous-jobs-america/1002500001/

    Pablo, your leaf blower from Guatemala, is braver.

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    To protect and serve--our genes.
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  44. TKK says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    Florida's Baker Act (mental health law) allows police officers to take a person to a mental health facility for evaluation if he or she appears to the officer to be a threat to self or others. Interesting to know why Cruz never qualified for mandatory hospitalization.

    Indeed! I practiced law in Florida and represented about 15 people in Baker Acts.

    I’ll never forget a woman who was hearing impaired and her parents main evidence against her was that she had cereal for supper and had conversations with God. I got her out but it was enough to get her there and hold her for 72 hours.

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  45. Rurik says:
    @Covergirl
    Hahahahahah!

    Wow, you have the balls to even speak such twaddle. You really should look into a getting a rectal-craniotomy. Counseling at least. This is one of the most deranged pieces of drivel I've yet encountered - and that's saying alot considering Ann Coulter still lives.

    This is one of the most deranged pieces of drivel I’ve yet encountered – and that’s saying alot considering Ann Coulter still lives.

    tell em grrl

    those children were murdered by Donald Trump and the NRA- and the racist white men who belong to it!

    the bullets flying out of that assault weapon were white men’s wrath at a world of color and LGBT identity that they can’t oppress anymore.

    We even heard right away how Cruz is a white supremacist, and trained at a white supremacist militia camp! Even the ADL said so!!!

    so we can try to blame the kids or the heroic Sherriff..

    here he is next to a Lamborghini


    at a Ferrari dealership, (probably shopping for some new cruisers)

    one of several cruisers he’s had plastered with his mug

    when your ego is bigger than the county, do you risk your neck to save a few children? What are their lives compared to a Broward Sherriff’s deputy!

    It’s time we put the blame squarely where it belongs – white men (and specifically Donald Trump who is enabling them)

    and the racist society they’re trying to cling to, just as they cling to their racist guns

    Our children will never be safe as long as racist white [redundant] men have access to guns.

    Scott Israel and his deputies are the only ones who have any business with guns.

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    BLASPHEMY!

    to paint a Lamborghini anything other than Red or Black or Yellow ought to be against the law.
    Only someone who is mentally deranged would do so.
    , @Stan d Mute
    Brother, I can’t even...

    You win the Internets for this week, maybe for March ‘18.

    I lived in Broward and Miami-Dade for the past decade. I’ve seen both those cars. I know the dude who supplied the Lambo. I’ll be laughing about this post all weekend.

    Thank you!
    , @Chris Mallory
    Both the Lamborghini and the wrap on it were provided free of charge for a charity event. Neither one cost the sheriff's department or the taxpayers any money. The wrap was removed and the car returned to the dealer after the event.

    Now the wrap on the patrol car should land the sheriff in prison.
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  46. Corvinus says:
    @WorkingClass
    "Kids are Democrats by default."

    They are not registered Democrats. That would be their teachers and school administrators. The people these kids are supposed to learn from are telling them that the NRA killed their friends and teachers. It's hard to fault children for believing what their teachers tell them.

    So why do "educators" lie to children about the NRA? Why do they teach white children to hate themselves? Why do they require pre-pubesent children to select a gender for themselves? They are creating passive, weak, confused, brain washed, useful idiots for the new left.


    "There are, indubitably, good arguments to be made against the NRA. The kids—who managed to be, for the most, rude, ungrammatical, sanctimonious and smarmy—failed to muster them."

    Rude, ungrammatical, sanctimonious and smarmy qualifies them to be our future snow flakes. These kids are to be pitied Ilana.

    “Why do they teach white children to hate themselves?”

    That’s Fake News. Just like the author of the piece who is painting high schools as being “rude, ungrammatical, sanctimonious and smarmy”. They are expressing their opinion on a matter that, like every issue before us, becomes political rather than practical in nature. Perhaps it is you and him that “sounds like the proverbial teacher’s pet, groomed to take a monolithic message to the media”.

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  47. Corvinus says:
    @anon
    Keep the guns.

    Ban the schools.

    The Second Amendment protects the right to bear arms, but nothing in the US Constitution or Bill of Rights mandates that the public support education/indoctrination factories.

    Privatize all education. NO tax money for indoctrination/education.

    Parents should be responsible for the raising and education of their children -- financially & in every other way.

    “Parents should be responsible for the raising and education of their children — financially & in every other way.”

    Exactly. Which means if they choose to have public schools and desire to pay for them, that is their responsibility. So your proposal to “ban the schools” is 1) nonsense and 2) fascist.

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    Which means if they choose to have public schools and desire to pay for them, that is their responsibility.
     
    No. It means they're irresponsible parents and there outta be a law agin' parents like that. That ought to please everyone.

    You know, the more I think about it, the more it seems that we'd all be better off with contraceptives in the water supply. As for my part, they wouldn't have to tax me. I'd contribute voluntarily.

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  48. Yeah, such brave souls.

    “Heroes” too, don’t we know. Even after they (invariably) retire with fat pensions and payments for some fake disability too.

    You are correct about riskier occupations and Pablo, too.

    How do we say “protection racket”?

    California sheriff who says $276,000 pension not enough fuels push for reform

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/20/california-sheriff-pensions.html

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  49. @WorkingClass
    "Kids are Democrats by default."

    They are not registered Democrats. That would be their teachers and school administrators. The people these kids are supposed to learn from are telling them that the NRA killed their friends and teachers. It's hard to fault children for believing what their teachers tell them.

    So why do "educators" lie to children about the NRA? Why do they teach white children to hate themselves? Why do they require pre-pubesent children to select a gender for themselves? They are creating passive, weak, confused, brain washed, useful idiots for the new left.


    "There are, indubitably, good arguments to be made against the NRA. The kids—who managed to be, for the most, rude, ungrammatical, sanctimonious and smarmy—failed to muster them."

    Rude, ungrammatical, sanctimonious and smarmy qualifies them to be our future snow flakes. These kids are to be pitied Ilana.

    It’s hard to fault children for believing what their teachers tell them.

    Not for me. Didn’t you ever read Hans Christian Andersen? Children haven’t the adult capacity for self-delusion.

    I was raised by a (once) teacher with typically leftist/socialist dogmatic beliefs. All my teachers were of the same ilk. As a teenager I forced my parent into a complete sobbing hysterical mess by debating her until she had to admit that race was as real as concrete and just as immutable. Later in life, I confronted my aunt (her sister), a lifelong teacher, on her deathbed where she openly admitted her lifelong self-delusion but said her fellow travelers would violently deny the truth until on their own deathbed. She forced me to promise I’d convince a cousin to abort a mulatto fetus she was carrying.

    You wanna talk ethical dilemmas, that’s one right there. I’m probably damned eternally for failing to fulfill a deathbed promise I made…

    Point is, a bright kid NOTICES and has freewill to reject the nonsense that adults say. Some kids believe in Santa Claus until their parents finally confess. Those kids are stupid. Never underestimate stupid.

    Second point is that some smart people are inherently gullible. Never underestimate the power of gullible smart people for self-delusion. Often it will visibly manifest itself as “lack of common sense” or belief in something obviously illogical given known facts. Practically speaking, there’s not much distance between this and just plain stupid however.

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    Second point is that some smart people are inherently gullible.
     
    Based on my experiences dealing with and living amongst successful professionals all my life, most of whom were/are extremely successful at least by the usual (materialistic) measures, I'd change that to most smart people are extremely gullible about most things outside their field. Even then, their cluelessness is astonishing.

    Mainly for that reason I long ago quit trying to discuss politics with any of them because of the profundity of their obtundity.

    Also, it never ceases to amaze me that those who are no doubt clueless in so many ways (see pictures above) nevertheless deem themselves qualified to propose solutions for everyone else. Go figure .
    , @jacques sheete

    Some kids believe in Santa Claus until their parents finally confess. Those kids are stupid. Never underestimate stupid.
     
    A similar concept applies to all the gulls who think more laws and more government (Santa Claus) will "save" us.
    , @Joe Wong
    You should use your brightness to expose WorkingClass is unscruplous and his fallacies instead of merely protesting that kids also have freewill to reject the nonsense that adults say, that will really show you said what you meant.
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  50. @anoN
    Whose fault? Parents? Teachers? PC? Pop Culture?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DV6fUmSUMAA7yzZ.jpg

    The self-delusion (lack of self-awareness) is just staggering.

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  51. @jack daniels
    Security in schools IS sad. I grew up in NYC in the 50s and 60s and there were no cops or security officers in the schools. Yes, it's better to have armed guards in French class than to be dead. And disarming the general public requires a constitutional amendment and would be unlikely to pass, given the number of guns out there and the likely response to a campaign of door to door gun-grabbing. So if security is sad and disarmament is not feasible, what then? Mental health screening wouldn't keep guns away from people willing to break the law to get them. Perhaps, unpleasant as it may be to contemplate, we need to ask ourselves why these episodes occur now and never occurred 50 years ago, when gun laws were looser than today. The liberal attitudes toward just about every subject have been harmful to the maintenance of a peaceful and harmonious society That includes the constant trashing of America and its traditional Christian culture by leftists, the promotion of sadistic violence and amorality by Hollywood, the normalization of divorce, random sex, single parent families and abortion, and the substitution of psychotherapy and drugs for religion and common-sense morality. Conservatives are reluctant to make this case because liberals will play that tape they keep on hand of people hooting and jeering, but we need a new generation of conservatives who are emboldened by the knowledge that they are right and that most people think so, even if those people have been largely bullied into silence. Let's take advantage of the Trump interlude to encourage a proud and confident defiance of the left and its false and harmful ideas.

    I am very reluctant to say what I’m about to say because I don’t want to give any whackos ideas, but….

    the left blames the semi-automatic so-called assault rifle, about which other worthy commenters have provided necessary information in the Derb’s column and so on. For the purposes to which a school shooter wishes to put his firearm, there is another one in the closet of many American homes that would serve just as well or better; and that is the 12 gauge with a short barrel. Ammo is readily available and easy to carry, reloading is a cinch, point and shoot at close quarters is guaranteed to hit multiple targets etc. etc.( That being said, I don’t want to get into arguments debating fine points with any of you about the virtues of the assault rifle vs. shotgun.)

    What this shows is that the motive is not just one of opportunity; it’s not the murders per se. It’s the image of blasting people with an assault rifle that the murderers find so alluring and this is proven by the fact that none of the notorious shooters have used a shotgun. Think about that for a moment. There is something to what Jack Daniels is saying. There is a cult-like status to these killings. They’re about celebrity. They’re about Hollywood and video games and those feature assault weapons, not the lowly pump shotgun.

    So in a perverse way, the school kids are right to focus on the assault rifle. But the assault rifle is just a symbol for what is broken in America today. Don’t blame the kids for not knowing how to fix what their supposedly more learned Elders can’t fix either. Call it the breakdown of social trust, decorum whatever, we have created this mess and are, for the present, stuck with it and until we stop glamorizing assault weapons in movies and popular culture it appears as though we will be for the foreseeable future.

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    ... we have created this mess and are, for the present, stuck with it and until we stop glamorizing assault weapons in movies and popular culture it appears as though we will be for the foreseeable future.
     
    We need to stop glamorizing violence and the use of force, period. What we're seeing is the inevitable result of placing wealth, power and trust in the hands of goons.

    Every time we cast a ballot for an overlord, or pay taxes, we support, appease, and encourage the worst of the goons.
    , @Stan d Mute
    Yep. Media. Plus mental defectives on drugs that further screw with neurotransmitters.

    “I Don’t Like Mondays” - At least that little brain damaged freak failed to kill any kids thanks to heroic MEN who did die (unarmed) shielding them. And at least California is thus far smart enough to keep her lesbian ass in prison.

    But the media she got and every defective since her got... Add the Call of Duty and other “games” (media again) glorifying one particular weapon...

    I guess I’m just glad, or should be glad, game developers lack my imagination or we’d have smoking holes in the ground instead of a dozen kids at a time. The mental defectives who do these things are incapable of thinking outside the box - random inbred Arabs function at much higher level.
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  52. @Fidelios Automata
    Don't be so sure about that, Ilana. Generation Z, the post-millenials, promoses to be much more conservative, perhaps even alt-right.

    Don’t be so sure about that, Ilana. Generation Z, the post-millenials, promoses to be much more conservative, perhaps even alt-right.

    Perhaps a return to Gen X cynicism? And for similar reasons? Ilana writes about the absurdity of differing ages for different things. Here’s my anecdote: At 17 I was a soldier, handed an M16 and taught to kill. But I could not buy a gun. Could not vote. Could not buy an alcoholic beverage. Could not smoke a cigarette. When I turned 18, I could vote, smoke, and buy a gun, but couldn’t buy a beer unless I drove over a river or across an invisible line. When I was 21, I was finally an “adult”. But if I lit a joint, unquestionably safer than a gun or alcohol, I was a “criminal.”

    As a Gen X hyper cynic, none of that surprised me, it just reinforced the abject stupidity of the system created by dipshit hippie boomers and “The Greatest Generation” (unfounded arrogance much?).

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    As a Gen X hyper cynic, none of that surprised me, it just reinforced the abject stupidity of the system created by dipshit hippie boomers and “The Greatest Generation” (unfounded arrogance much?).
     
    Not so much a hyper cynic, but a remarkable realist.

    That "Greatest Generation" concept is one of the more mawkish and pathetic concepts ever to enter the mind of man. Those cats were clueless. Most still are.
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  53. @jack daniels
    Security in schools IS sad. I grew up in NYC in the 50s and 60s and there were no cops or security officers in the schools. Yes, it's better to have armed guards in French class than to be dead. And disarming the general public requires a constitutional amendment and would be unlikely to pass, given the number of guns out there and the likely response to a campaign of door to door gun-grabbing. So if security is sad and disarmament is not feasible, what then? Mental health screening wouldn't keep guns away from people willing to break the law to get them. Perhaps, unpleasant as it may be to contemplate, we need to ask ourselves why these episodes occur now and never occurred 50 years ago, when gun laws were looser than today. The liberal attitudes toward just about every subject have been harmful to the maintenance of a peaceful and harmonious society That includes the constant trashing of America and its traditional Christian culture by leftists, the promotion of sadistic violence and amorality by Hollywood, the normalization of divorce, random sex, single parent families and abortion, and the substitution of psychotherapy and drugs for religion and common-sense morality. Conservatives are reluctant to make this case because liberals will play that tape they keep on hand of people hooting and jeering, but we need a new generation of conservatives who are emboldened by the knowledge that they are right and that most people think so, even if those people have been largely bullied into silence. Let's take advantage of the Trump interlude to encourage a proud and confident defiance of the left and its false and harmful ideas.

    Mental health screening wouldn’t keep guns away from people willing to break the law to get them.

    Even if it did, America’s worst school massacre was accomplished entirely without a gun (unless you count the killer’s suicide).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

    One Parkland parent gets it:

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  54. @Wally
    Why aren't these leftist twits protesting against the violent US foreign policy in the Middle East?

    Why does the left support US taxpayer funding of Israel and it's truly racist, violent, & apartheid, Jews Only immigration policies?

    Why does the left support US taxpayer funding of Israel and it’s truly racist, violent, & apartheid, Jews Only immigration policies?

    BDS is a LEFTIST movement.

    America sucks off Israel because 100,000,000 evangelicals fanatically believe the Jews must be there for their Messiah to return and carry them all off to Heaven.

    Leftist commie Jews support Israel because they’re Jews. They oppose Israel’s “apartheid” state. I know many NeoCon Jews who believe some Sub-Saharan Bantu groups are crypto Jews and strongly oppose Israel expelling them.

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    - Really? There are "100,000,000 evangelicals" in the US?
    - BDS is largely a small European movement, it's even smaller beer in the US, and the move to make it illegal is in the works.
    - So, US taxpayers do not cough up billions of dollars each year to Israel?
    Try again.

    Israel to shut migrant centre and deport Africans
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/israel-to-shut-migrant-centre-and-deport-africans/
    Must read:
    Forget the 'slippery slope' — Israel already is an apartheid state: Neil Macdonald
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/israel-slippery-slope-1.4368018

    Israel will pay African migrants to leave, to jail if they don't accept.
    http://news.trust.org/item/20180103115805-egc1s
    "Netanyahu has called the migrants' presence a threat to Israel's social fabric and Jewish character, and one government minister has referred to them as "a cancer"."
    Facts:
    every US taxpayers ‘loan’ that “that shitty little country” has received has never been paid back. The Israeli Occupied Congress curiously “forgives/forgave” all these huge debts.

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    Fighting Israel's Wars
    How the United States military has become Zionized
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/

    Pandering to Israel Has Got to Stop
    Pledges of loyalty to Israel are un-American
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#comments

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  55. @Stan d Mute

    It’s hard to fault children for believing what their teachers tell them.
     
    Not for me. Didn’t you ever read Hans Christian Andersen? Children haven’t the adult capacity for self-delusion.

    I was raised by a (once) teacher with typically leftist/socialist dogmatic beliefs. All my teachers were of the same ilk. As a teenager I forced my parent into a complete sobbing hysterical mess by debating her until she had to admit that race was as real as concrete and just as immutable. Later in life, I confronted my aunt (her sister), a lifelong teacher, on her deathbed where she openly admitted her lifelong self-delusion but said her fellow travelers would violently deny the truth until on their own deathbed. She forced me to promise I’d convince a cousin to abort a mulatto fetus she was carrying.

    You wanna talk ethical dilemmas, that’s one right there. I’m probably damned eternally for failing to fulfill a deathbed promise I made...

    Point is, a bright kid NOTICES and has freewill to reject the nonsense that adults say. Some kids believe in Santa Claus until their parents finally confess. Those kids are stupid. Never underestimate stupid.

    Second point is that some smart people are inherently gullible. Never underestimate the power of gullible smart people for self-delusion. Often it will visibly manifest itself as “lack of common sense” or belief in something obviously illogical given known facts. Practically speaking, there’s not much distance between this and just plain stupid however.

    Second point is that some smart people are inherently gullible.

    Based on my experiences dealing with and living amongst successful professionals all my life, most of whom were/are extremely successful at least by the usual (materialistic) measures, I’d change that to most smart people are extremely gullible about most things outside their field. Even then, their cluelessness is astonishing.

    Mainly for that reason I long ago quit trying to discuss politics with any of them because of the profundity of their obtundity.

    Also, it never ceases to amaze me that those who are no doubt clueless in so many ways (see pictures above) nevertheless deem themselves qualified to propose solutions for everyone else. Go figure .

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    jacques sheete do you think for one minute that those "successful professionals" would have achieved, or would maintain, that status if they admitted to anything other than "obtundity?"

    Their success is the "blackmail" that buys their acquiescence.
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  56. @ThreeCranes
    I am very reluctant to say what I'm about to say because I don't want to give any whackos ideas, but....

    the left blames the semi-automatic so-called assault rifle, about which other worthy commenters have provided necessary information in the Derb's column and so on. For the purposes to which a school shooter wishes to put his firearm, there is another one in the closet of many American homes that would serve just as well or better; and that is the 12 gauge with a short barrel. Ammo is readily available and easy to carry, reloading is a cinch, point and shoot at close quarters is guaranteed to hit multiple targets etc. etc.( That being said, I don't want to get into arguments debating fine points with any of you about the virtues of the assault rifle vs. shotgun.)

    What this shows is that the motive is not just one of opportunity; it's not the murders per se. It's the image of blasting people with an assault rifle that the murderers find so alluring and this is proven by the fact that none of the notorious shooters have used a shotgun. Think about that for a moment. There is something to what Jack Daniels is saying. There is a cult-like status to these killings. They're about celebrity. They're about Hollywood and video games and those feature assault weapons, not the lowly pump shotgun.

    So in a perverse way, the school kids are right to focus on the assault rifle. But the assault rifle is just a symbol for what is broken in America today. Don't blame the kids for not knowing how to fix what their supposedly more learned Elders can't fix either. Call it the breakdown of social trust, decorum whatever, we have created this mess and are, for the present, stuck with it and until we stop glamorizing assault weapons in movies and popular culture it appears as though we will be for the foreseeable future.

    … we have created this mess and are, for the present, stuck with it and until we stop glamorizing assault weapons in movies and popular culture it appears as though we will be for the foreseeable future.

    We need to stop glamorizing violence and the use of force, period. What we’re seeing is the inevitable result of placing wealth, power and trust in the hands of goons.

    Every time we cast a ballot for an overlord, or pay taxes, we support, appease, and encourage the worst of the goons.

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    Listening to C Span is demanding increasing amounts of intestinal fortitude.

    On the call-in programs discussing guns, inevitably a majority of callers are military or ex-military; it is appropriate, even essential for "our soldiers" to have weapons of mass destruction and to be trained to kill and destroy things, and we all "thank them for their service," but no mere civilian should be permitted to own a weapon "that was designed for the military."

    A Black lady called in this morning to say that "If people feel they need to weapons of mass destruction, they should join the military; they can shoot all the guns they want."

    Ya, if you need to feed your homicidal demon, join the US military; go kill other people's children in a faraway land.


    Do people hear themselves?

    How did we get to this point?

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  57. @Stan d Mute

    Don’t be so sure about that, Ilana. Generation Z, the post-millenials, promoses to be much more conservative, perhaps even alt-right.
     
    Perhaps a return to Gen X cynicism? And for similar reasons? Ilana writes about the absurdity of differing ages for different things. Here’s my anecdote: At 17 I was a soldier, handed an M16 and taught to kill. But I could not buy a gun. Could not vote. Could not buy an alcoholic beverage. Could not smoke a cigarette. When I turned 18, I could vote, smoke, and buy a gun, but couldn’t buy a beer unless I drove over a river or across an invisible line. When I was 21, I was finally an “adult”. But if I lit a joint, unquestionably safer than a gun or alcohol, I was a “criminal.”

    As a Gen X hyper cynic, none of that surprised me, it just reinforced the abject stupidity of the system created by dipshit hippie boomers and “The Greatest Generation” (unfounded arrogance much?).

    As a Gen X hyper cynic, none of that surprised me, it just reinforced the abject stupidity of the system created by dipshit hippie boomers and “The Greatest Generation” (unfounded arrogance much?).

    Not so much a hyper cynic, but a remarkable realist.

    That “Greatest Generation” concept is one of the more mawkish and pathetic concepts ever to enter the mind of man. Those cats were clueless. Most still are.

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    That “Greatest Generation” . . .Those cats were clueless. Most still are.
     
    Increasingly, they're toothless as well.

    iirc Brokaw wrote that mawkish book only around 1999. MIC must have felt the need to re-ignite militarism: Clinton had clipped defense budgets and defense contractors were languishing.

    Thank goodness a non-stop diet of cable war documentariesremilitarized the American public.

    ---
    nb. I'm a Boomer and also a first-generation American, child of immigrants who came here in 1930s. There are a lot of us; we -- at least I -- never knew I was a first gen. American or what that implied, but as I look back -- we children of immigrants were urged to "Americanize" rapidly; we / I had no connection to my parents' ethnic roots, nor was I accepted by earlier Americans (i.e. WASPs). There IS no cultural/ethnic setting in USA in which I feel comfortable or that I belong. My spouse's parents refused to attend our wedding because I was of a low-class ethnicity (Italian -- not on list of Most Favored Nations post WWII) and a Catholic. People who get all gushy about admitting immigrants ought to think a generation or two ahead to what family life, divorce rates, etc. will look like as immigrants marry into the earlier American cohort.

    It's intriguing to note that Italians and Jews were on a similar low rung in the 194os, 1950s and into 1960s, despised alike by WASPs, but then Jews broke out: Hollywood defined "an empire of their (Jews) own," and Holocaustism was invented by PR professionals in the mid-to-late 1960s; Jews who had pushed their way into the free universities in New York and California and procured empty sheepskins began to dominate college faculties. Nowadays, Jews have displaced WASPs and regard Italians -- and most other Americans -- with haughty disdain.
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  58. Leftist commie Jews support Israel because they’re Jews. They oppose Israel’s “apartheid” state. I know many NeoCon Jews who believe some Sub-Saharan Bantu groups are crypto Jews and strongly oppose Israel expelling them.

    One need not ask why Yahweh sent the deluge. What fascinates me is that the dude left a breeding pair.

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  59. @Bardon Kaldian
    This is just an extreme consequence of American idolization of youth & horror of old age. In virtually all traditional cultures, as well as in normal, expansionist West, mature age & old age were honored & respected.

    In Murica it's airhead kids that are envied & glorified. You get what you ask.

    In Murica it’s airhead kids that are envied & glorified. You get what you ask.

    Indeed. And while it’s pretty indisputable that this began in earnest with “The Greatest Generation” mollycoddling the Boomers, I think it truly began earlier with “The Lost Generation” mollycoddling “The Beat Generation”. Perhaps even earlier with the “Progressive/Missionary Generation(s)” mollycoddling the “GI/Silent Generation(s)” (think the “Roaring Twenties” excesses).

    Perhaps the horrors of Civil War, WWI & WWII screwed them up so badly they were unable to properly harden their children to Reality.

    Anyway, we see today the bubble wrapped snowflakes masturbating to anime porn and eschewing all responsibility in the Millennials. This all from a hyper cynical Gen X calling himself “stand mute”…

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  60. Wally says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Why does the left support US taxpayer funding of Israel and it’s truly racist, violent, & apartheid, Jews Only immigration policies?
     
    BDS is a LEFTIST movement.

    America sucks off Israel because 100,000,000 evangelicals fanatically believe the Jews must be there for their Messiah to return and carry them all off to Heaven.

    Leftist commie Jews support Israel because they’re Jews. They oppose Israel’s “apartheid” state. I know many NeoCon Jews who believe some Sub-Saharan Bantu groups are crypto Jews and strongly oppose Israel expelling them.

    - Really? There are “100,000,000 evangelicals” in the US?
    - BDS is largely a small European movement, it’s even smaller beer in the US, and the move to make it illegal is in the works.
    - So, US taxpayers do not cough up billions of dollars each year to Israel?
    Try again.

    Israel to shut migrant centre and deport Africans

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/israel-to-shut-migrant-centre-and-deport-africans/

    Must read:
    Forget the ‘slippery slope’ — Israel already is an apartheid state: Neil Macdonald

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/israel-slippery-slope-1.4368018

    Israel will pay African migrants to leave, to jail if they don’t accept.

    http://news.trust.org/item/20180103115805-egc1s

    “Netanyahu has called the migrants’ presence a threat to Israel’s social fabric and Jewish character, and one government minister has referred to them as “a cancer”.”
    Facts:
    every US taxpayers ‘loan’ that “that shitty little country” has received has never been paid back. The Israeli Occupied Congress curiously “forgives/forgave” all these huge debts.

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    Fighting Israel’s Wars
    How the United States military has become Zionized

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/

    Pandering to Israel Has Got to Stop
    Pledges of loyalty to Israel are un-American

    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#comments

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    Really? There are “100,000,000 evangelicals” in the US?
     
    My Bad!

    I exaggerated.

    http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/

    So, 26% of 325,000,000 is ONLY 84,500,000.

    Feel better now?

    But we forget the Pope chasers who love men in dresses. Plus the “mainline Protestants” who together add another 35%. So add 113,750,000 to my 84,500,000 above.

    ALL, to a more or lesser degree of fanaticism, are certain that their Messiah will return to where again? What was the name of that place?

    200,000,000 votes is why we fund Israel.
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  61. @wayfarer

    “The enemy is fear. We think it is hate. But it is really fear.”
    ― Mahatma Gandhi
     
    Analysis of False Flag Psyop at Stoneman Douglas H.S. in Parkland FL.

    Intel Officer: Globalists Attempting to Start World War
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAUZIur0i6Y

    Dr. Steve Pieczenik Considers the Parkland Florida False Flag
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2PIYYhPd1Q

    Distortion of Reality and the Information Singularity
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmfxeiUHfCs

    Two videos together suggest that Pieczenik is an Israeli gatekeeper.

    Top video: claim that “Yonathan Netanyahu would have been better than Bibi” is, in my contrarian opinion, wrong: Yoni was hotheaded, unstable, and more eager to fight/shoot than engage in a carefully composed plan; that’s what got him killed.
    I also think Yoni was not the apple of his father’s eye, as the hagiography would have us believe: Yoni’s upbringing was actually rather troubled, partly due to his father, Benzion Netanyahu’s, eagerness to travel back and forth from Israel to Canada and USA in pursuit of his “scholarship.” These moves were destabilizing to Yoni, set him back academically. At one point, Yoni left his family while Benzion was in USA and found ‘refuge’ in Israeli military — that was his ‘family.’
    If you think about the Hebrew myths (that Rabbi Purimface says are “Judeo- not Christian” (and I’m pleased as punch to let ‘em have ‘em) and the number of times the first-born son is sacrificed or cheated out of his primogeniture, then apply that to the Netanyahus, it’s even possible to speculate that Yoni was deliberately killed at Entebbe.

    That’s one little thing Pieczenik said.

    Also in top video, Pieczenik’s concern is to protect Israel and to keep Iran contained. Maybe in other interviews w/ Infowars he’s expressed concern w/ Israel’s distorting influence on US policy, or on Israel’s numerous and flagrant violations of human rights, nuclear oversight, expansionism, general scoff-law pattern of behavior, but in the top video, he’s just concerned about Iran “puffing its chest” and, first time in centuries, Iran allying with other powers. That’s music to my ears; that’s the kind of take-down Israel richly deserves and demands if it’s ever to evolve into a civilized state.

    Bottom video: Pieczenik talks a lot about “creating fiction/narratives,” and an “apocalypse” of false-flags; in other words, the scammers have overplayed their hand.

    This is an amplification of the comment that Ron Suskind quoted: “We create reality . . . You diligently investigate . . . but we are always a step or two ahead of you” (paraphrase).

    In his exploration of the thinking of Francis Bacon, Alan Kors described “ant thinking, spider thinking, and bee thinking.”
    Ants diligently gather up stuff but don’t put it to any effective use.
    Spiders draw upon their own internal substance and spin a web with it, but it may not be grounded in any external reality (i.e. they create their own reality).
    Bees diligently gather up stuff, take it to the hive where it is organized logically and put to effective and creative use. That is, “bees” observe and gather information from all of nature, and apply logic to it to discern Reality.

    Jews are the world’s Spiders, Abrahamism is “spiderology” — Maimonides tells us as much in this explanation of “Abraham and the Idol Shop:”

    Maimonides Mishnah Torah Laws of Idolatry 1:3

    http://learn.conservativeyeshiva.org/introduction-to-rabbinic-midrash-1-lesson-1-avraham-and-the-idol-shop/

    Abraham did not have a mentor, but was immersed amongst the stupid idolaters of Ur Casdim, where everyone, including his mother and father, served idols, as did he. In his heart, however, he continued to contemplate, until he realized the way of truth and understood the ways of righteousness from nature, and knew that there is a God who directs the spheres, created the world, and besides whom there is none other. He also knew that the whole world was erring, and knew that what caused the mistake was that they [had] worshiped the stars and figures for so long that the truth had vanished.

    Abraham was forty years old when he recognized his Creator.

    Once he achieved this, he began to reason with the inhabitants of Ur Casdim and to argue with them, saying that by serving idols they were not following the way of truth. He broke their images, and began to proclaim that it is not fitting to serve anyone other than God, and to Him it is fitting to bow down and to offer drink sacrifices and sacrifices to, so that all creation will recognize Him.

    Abraham also proclaimed that it was fitting to break and destroy all the figures, so that nobody will err on account of them, like those who imagined that there is no God except for their idols did.

    As I read this, Abraham insisted that the stuff of HIS thoughts represented ultimate, and that he had a right to destroy the (beliefs) of others and insist that they recognize the “reality that emerged from Abraham’s thinking, his “spiderweb.” (Because Abraham was exceptional.)

    This statement is particularly important:

    He also knew that the whole world was erring, and knew that what caused the mistake was that they [had] worshiped the stars and figures for so long that the truth had vanished.

    In my opinion, the Epiphany is the most important element of the Birth of Jesus celebration: The Persian Wise men — astrologers — studied the “stars” because they recognized that they reflected a natural order of the universe; they were “bees” who gathered information and analyzed it logically. It led them to the child Jesus, in a moment that represented the melding of Eastern/Persian astrological/navigational skills (and a henotheistic outlook) with Western/Greek logos — reason, logic.
    E Michael Jones focuses on the first words of John’s gospel: “In the beginning was the word (logos) . . .” but I wish he would take his thinking further: “And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.”
    (I also prefer Jones’s explanation of “logos” to Pieczenik’s discourse on fiction/narratives/apocalypse, etc., but both contribute to the filling in the total picture.)

    At the Epiphany, the Magi followed the Logos of the universe — the logic of the stars — and found Jesus, Logos made Flesh.

    As the rest of the story goes, Herod felt threatened by the possibility of a king who would grow to displace him; he asked the Magi to return to him to share their discovery of this child, but they took a different route to avoid Herod, whereupon Herod ordered the Slaughter of the Innocents.

    As Pieczenik intimates, the various ‘false flags’ are related and share a purpose. It’s useful to define the various groups that are set up for radicalization/dividing off from the unified community in each event. On the day after Trump’s inauguration, Leftists inserted a divisive wedge between Pussyhats and the Trump polity; Pulse and SanBernardino seem obvious.

    I think Charlottesville and Parkland are related:

    A DailyBeast article hyperventilates about the supposed etching of swastikas on Nikolas Cruz’s gun, making of Cruz, a Jew, a “racist and antisemite” ergo a “terrorist” who “may have shot students in a Holocaust history class.” https://www.thedailybeast.com/nikolas-cruz-was-a-racist-does-that-make-his-attack-terrorism
    (This is, of course, very confusing, inasmuch as it’s hard to know if Cruz is Jewish, white, or brown; there is no evidence that there were non-white students at Parkland, so everyone Cruz shot was White. Is Daily Beast arguing that for a mixed-race Jew to kill Whites = racism?

    In addition to Tiki torches, there were swastikas at Charlottesville:
    Guns don’t kill people,
    swastikas kill people.

    The behind-the-scenes work that took place in the aftermath of Charlottesville was carried out within Christian and Catholic churches, under the advisory thumb of ADL. That is, the ADL was able to instrumentalize major Christian denominations to reinforce the Holocaust narrative and the anti-white narrative. I submit that this was done by bringing Jewish influence to bear on Black leadership within the Episcopal and Roman Catholic hierarchy (this is not the first time Jews have used Blacks to promote Jewish interests, even at the expense of the target group.

    Rabbi Purimface rounds out the overall plan: having made good use of the hyphenated Judeo – Christian scorpion-and-frog duo and achieved Judeo- purposes, the Rabbi says, Begone, Christians! We Jews don’t need you anymore
    (the Magi were no frogs).
    Overall, I agree w/ Piecznik that a metanarrative of False Flags is being unfolded; that it is old and suffering from repetition to the point that no one believes the scheme or its purveyors anymore, a situation that is creating societal chaos.

    I think the schools are lost. Done, stick a fork in them.

    Why, for example, was Holocaust being taught in a US taxpayer school? If it can’t be challenged critically, and as the San Rialto (in SanBernardino, CA https://www.sbsun.com/2015/05/02/rialto-unified-holocaust-assignment-one-year-later/) debacle taught us, it can’t, then it’s a religious dogma, and the kids in the Civics class should know that it is not permitted to endorse a religious dogma with public funds.

    Taxpayers throughout the USA should March on their School Councils and Boards of Education; get US government OUT of US public schools; to the extent that communities support taxpayer-funded schools at all, return them to the very close oversight of their immediate communities.

    The mainstream churches offer only slightly more hope for ability to reform; detoxifying and re-educating the people in the pews might still be possible, though very difficult.

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  62. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    In my opinion Ilana Mercer is one step away being a brilliant.
    My opinion is that no person should be allowed to purchase a weapon unless she or he is married with at least one child. Only at that point the person reaches real maturity.

    My opinion is that no person should be allowed to purchase a weapon unless she or he is married with at least one child. Only at that point the person reaches real maturity.

    You do realize that in the real America, tens of millions of firearms are passed from father to son often when sons are in grade school? And that this has been going on since we were still Colonies? Remarkably, these are NEVER the guns used in mass killings…

    I wonder why?

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    Lots of city folks don't realize that kids in the South/rural country grow up around guns, hunt with their family. I got my first shotgun at age 10 or so, was shooting them as soon as I could safely hold one.
    The society that "the chosen ones" and their traitor zio puppets have created, is the root of all "problems"
    Nobody gets murdered where I'm from, rarely hear of any violence or rape, all that good stuff that plagues the liberal cities. Its no accident, thats what the powers that be want. They allow it all to happen.
    Thats assuming that its not just another false flag, which I strongly suspect it is. They're still lying about 9/11, just go look at all the evidence for yourself. Those building were rigged with explosives, only people on the inside could have done it..
    CIA/Mossad/MIC/Banksters, the criminal cabal, they're all involved. Its pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that the devil himself has taken hold of America.
    by the way I live in the deep south and don't know many people that are "christian Zionists"
    People see the way they're treating the Palestinian Christians, how many Iraqi/Syrian Christians have been killed or displaced from their homes by Israel, the support of Israel is pretty much gone where I live.
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  63. @jacques sheete

    Second point is that some smart people are inherently gullible.
     
    Based on my experiences dealing with and living amongst successful professionals all my life, most of whom were/are extremely successful at least by the usual (materialistic) measures, I'd change that to most smart people are extremely gullible about most things outside their field. Even then, their cluelessness is astonishing.

    Mainly for that reason I long ago quit trying to discuss politics with any of them because of the profundity of their obtundity.

    Also, it never ceases to amaze me that those who are no doubt clueless in so many ways (see pictures above) nevertheless deem themselves qualified to propose solutions for everyone else. Go figure .

    jacques sheete do you think for one minute that those “successful professionals” would have achieved, or would maintain, that status if they admitted to anything other than “obtundity?”

    Their success is the “blackmail” that buys their acquiescence.

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    jacques sheete do you think for one minute that those “successful professionals” would have achieved, or would maintain, that status if they admitted to anything other than “obtundity?”
     
    Doubtless that's part of it, plus they really are dense. By choice, maybe, or denial, but true nonetheless. They not only question nothing, but parrot the usual sentimental and just plain mental rot as if it were gospel.

    It's really pathetic and beyond belief unless experienced.
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  64. @jacques sheete

    ... we have created this mess and are, for the present, stuck with it and until we stop glamorizing assault weapons in movies and popular culture it appears as though we will be for the foreseeable future.
     
    We need to stop glamorizing violence and the use of force, period. What we're seeing is the inevitable result of placing wealth, power and trust in the hands of goons.

    Every time we cast a ballot for an overlord, or pay taxes, we support, appease, and encourage the worst of the goons.

    Listening to C Span is demanding increasing amounts of intestinal fortitude.

    On the call-in programs discussing guns, inevitably a majority of callers are military or ex-military; it is appropriate, even essential for “our soldiers” to have weapons of mass destruction and to be trained to kill and destroy things, and we all “thank them for their service,” but no mere civilian should be permitted to own a weapon “that was designed for the military.”

    A Black lady called in this morning to say that “If people feel they need to weapons of mass destruction, they should join the military; they can shoot all the guns they want.”

    Ya, if you need to feed your homicidal demon, join the US military; go kill other people’s children in a faraway land.

    Do people hear themselves?

    How did we get to this point?

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    Listening to C Span is demanding increasing amounts of intestinal fortitude.
     
    Which is one reason I refuse to have anything to do with corporate media and have never allowed a TV in my house.
    , @CitznKate
    Space truly is the last frontier: the space between one's mouth and one's ears.
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  65. @jacques sheete

    Why aren’t these leftist twits protesting against the violent US foreign policy in the Middle East?
     
    We could add Asia, Africa, Europe, and South America to that as well and the cuckservatives are every bit as sick.

    It's disheartening to see that so many are calling for more government and more legislation as solutions to the problem. Well, I got news for anyone who thinks so, and it's that there are no political solutions for moral deficiencies, and this cesspool is full of such.

    Reliance on "government" and the parasites who're attracted to it proves and exacerbates the problems.


    Mercy said it well.:

    Wherever an army is established, it introduces a revolution in manners, corrupts the morals, propagates every species of vice, and degrades the human character.”
    Mercy Otis Warren, Revolution-era historian,
    History of the Rise, Progress, and Termination of the American Revolution vol. 1, Ch3, 1805

    http://oll.libertyfund.org/?option=com_staticxt&staticfile=show.php%3Ftitle=1872
     
    We are living proof of her claims.

    Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. ~ James Madison

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    Similar sentiment.:

    As soon as the government has the money and the soldiers, instead of fulfilling their promises to defend their subjects from foreign enemies, and to arrange things for their benefit, they do all they can to provoke the neighbouring nations and to produce war; and they not only do not promote the internal well-being of their people, but they ruin and corrupt them.

    A few typos, but otherwise a fine summary: Tolstoy, Slavery of Our Times, Chap 8, 11 July, 1900

    http://ebooks.gutenberg.us/WorldeBookLibrary.com/slaverytol.htm#1_0_7

     
    Police forces are essentially standing armies.
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    @Rurik

    This is one of the most deranged pieces of drivel I’ve yet encountered – and that’s saying alot considering Ann Coulter still lives.
     
    tell em grrl

    those children were murdered by Donald Trump and the NRA- and the racist white men who belong to it!

    the bullets flying out of that assault weapon were white men's wrath at a world of color and LGBT identity that they can't oppress anymore.

    We even heard right away how Cruz is a white supremacist, and trained at a white supremacist militia camp! Even the ADL said so!!!

    so we can try to blame the kids or the heroic Sherriff..

    here he is next to a Lamborghini

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2f/d3/07/2fd307f44733cd434e27f6641bc57050.jpg

    at a Ferrari dealership, (probably shopping for some new cruisers)

    one of several cruisers he's had plastered with his mug

    http://media.local10.com/photo/2015/11/26/BSO-sheriff-israel-car_656923_ver1.0_1280_720.jpg

    when your ego is bigger than the county, do you risk your neck to save a few children? What are their lives compared to a Broward Sherriff's deputy!

    It's time we put the blame squarely where it belongs - white men (and specifically Donald Trump who is enabling them)

    and the racist society they're trying to cling to, just as they cling to their racist guns

    Our children will never be safe as long as racist white [redundant] men have access to guns.

    Scott Israel and his deputies are the only ones who have any business with guns.

    BLASPHEMY!

    to paint a Lamborghini anything other than Red or Black or Yellow ought to be against the law.
    Only someone who is mentally deranged would do so.

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    to paint a Lamborghini anything other than Red or Black or Yellow ought to be against the law.
     
    http://geekologie.com/2008/09/09/sharpie-1.jpg
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  67. @anoN
    Whose fault? Parents? Teachers? PC? Pop Culture?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DV6fUmSUMAA7yzZ.jpg

    Oh dear God, what IS it?

    Male? Female? One of the thousands of self-invented Genders of Crapola?

    Read the T-shirt … the part over the vast belly. I guess that when our home-grown sluts set out to spell “invitation,” their method is just to add the letter I, here and there, until it seems right.

    Anybody got any will-to-live that they can spare? Ever since seeing this image, I’m fresh out.

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  68. @jacques sheete

    As a Gen X hyper cynic, none of that surprised me, it just reinforced the abject stupidity of the system created by dipshit hippie boomers and “The Greatest Generation” (unfounded arrogance much?).
     
    Not so much a hyper cynic, but a remarkable realist.

    That "Greatest Generation" concept is one of the more mawkish and pathetic concepts ever to enter the mind of man. Those cats were clueless. Most still are.

    That “Greatest Generation” . . .Those cats were clueless. Most still are.

    Increasingly, they’re toothless as well.

    iirc Brokaw wrote that mawkish book only around 1999. MIC must have felt the need to re-ignite militarism: Clinton had clipped defense budgets and defense contractors were languishing.

    Thank goodness a non-stop diet of cable war documentariesremilitarized the American public.


    nb. I’m a Boomer and also a first-generation American, child of immigrants who came here in 1930s. There are a lot of us; we — at least I — never knew I was a first gen. American or what that implied, but as I look back — we children of immigrants were urged to “Americanize” rapidly; we / I had no connection to my parents’ ethnic roots, nor was I accepted by earlier Americans (i.e. WASPs). There IS no cultural/ethnic setting in USA in which I feel comfortable or that I belong. My spouse’s parents refused to attend our wedding because I was of a low-class ethnicity (Italian — not on list of Most Favored Nations post WWII) and a Catholic. People who get all gushy about admitting immigrants ought to think a generation or two ahead to what family life, divorce rates, etc. will look like as immigrants marry into the earlier American cohort.

    It’s intriguing to note that Italians and Jews were on a similar low rung in the 194os, 1950s and into 1960s, despised alike by WASPs, but then Jews broke out: Hollywood defined “an empire of their (Jews) own,” and Holocaustism was invented by PR professionals in the mid-to-late 1960s; Jews who had pushed their way into the free universities in New York and California and procured empty sheepskins began to dominate college faculties. Nowadays, Jews have displaced WASPs and regard Italians — and most other Americans — with haughty disdain.

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    Thank goodness a non-stop diet of cable war documentaries remilitarized the American public.
     
    Many of my relatives fought in "da big ones" and we saw plenty of Cronkite's glorification of militarism and out of control government, "The Twentieth Century." We thought it was great stuff, but looking back on it, it was sickening.

    Never again.
    , @Corvinus
    "There IS no cultural/ethnic setting in USA in which I feel comfortable or that I belong. My spouse’s parents refused to attend our wedding because I was of a low-class ethnicity (Italian — not on list of Most Favored Nations post WWII) and a Catholic."

    Yet you have the audacity to state how Jews and non-whites are the scourge of my land. Using your own metrics, you do not belong here. Interesting how you assume the redeemable qualities that only Anglo-Saxons possess, in the name of “fellow white brethren”. Ironically, you are opposed to non-white immigration even though your ancestors had been labeled being other than white and thus incapable and unworthy of assimilation. So, were those nativists egregious inaccurate of their assessment of YOUR people?

    Noted Alt Right leader Vox Day has stated that the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and the Polish, lacked the ability to comprehend and put into practice Anglo-Saxon ideals. Yet, those same people whose ancestors had been deemed “unfit” for American inclusion by nativists in the 1850’s and 1890’s claim to possess the inherent qualities required to perpetuate Western Civilization. Nativists held those groups in contempt for “alien ways of life”, yet by the power of magic dirt, those groups have transformed themselves into one of the natives.

    The stench is indeed unbearable. IF the nativist arguments from the late 1800’s are accurate, you and your ancestors represented the filth of Eastern and Southern Europeans. Only those of stout Anglo-Saxon heritage served as the conduit to Western Civilization superiority and American exceptionalism. Do you really think they desired to have their culture being watered down by immigrants of notoriously questionable character, that being swarthy Poles and Italians?

    Now you have to go back!
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  69. @Rurik

    This is one of the most deranged pieces of drivel I’ve yet encountered – and that’s saying alot considering Ann Coulter still lives.
     
    tell em grrl

    those children were murdered by Donald Trump and the NRA- and the racist white men who belong to it!

    the bullets flying out of that assault weapon were white men's wrath at a world of color and LGBT identity that they can't oppress anymore.

    We even heard right away how Cruz is a white supremacist, and trained at a white supremacist militia camp! Even the ADL said so!!!

    so we can try to blame the kids or the heroic Sherriff..

    here he is next to a Lamborghini

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2f/d3/07/2fd307f44733cd434e27f6641bc57050.jpg

    at a Ferrari dealership, (probably shopping for some new cruisers)

    one of several cruisers he's had plastered with his mug

    http://media.local10.com/photo/2015/11/26/BSO-sheriff-israel-car_656923_ver1.0_1280_720.jpg

    when your ego is bigger than the county, do you risk your neck to save a few children? What are their lives compared to a Broward Sherriff's deputy!

    It's time we put the blame squarely where it belongs - white men (and specifically Donald Trump who is enabling them)

    and the racist society they're trying to cling to, just as they cling to their racist guns

    Our children will never be safe as long as racist white [redundant] men have access to guns.

    Scott Israel and his deputies are the only ones who have any business with guns.

    Brother, I can’t even…

    You win the Internets for this week, maybe for March ‘18.

    I lived in Broward and Miami-Dade for the past decade. I’ve seen both those cars. I know the dude who supplied the Lambo. I’ll be laughing about this post all weekend.

    Thank you!

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  70. @redmudhooch
    They propose not letting folks buy guns until they're 21.

    I will propose not letting folks vote till they're at least 30.

    I'm surprised they're not demanding letting these 13 year olds vote yet. Its coming...

    Age 21 is a more suitable point than age 18 to grant full adult rights and impose full adult responsibilities — seemingly more so now than 60 years or even 30 years ago, given the relative immaturity and lack of full life experience of many 18-20-year-old-kids these days.

    No gun ownership, no voting, no conscription, no smoking tobacco or marijuana, no hard liquor, until age 21.

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    What about marriage?
    , @anarchyst
    I would propose a "carve out" for those serving in the military. Those who serve on active duty in the military should have "full" adult rights.
    , @Eagle Eye

    No gun ownership, no voting, no conscription, no smoking tobacco or marijuana, no hard liquor, until age 21.
     
    Let's hold off on the voting until they are 25, and 30 to be elected to any office.

    Also, anyone on the public payroll (including public contractors, welfare recipients, prisoners, etc.) loses the right to vote while they get any benefits, or take Ritalin etc., and for 5 years after that.

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  71. @ThreeCranes
    I am very reluctant to say what I'm about to say because I don't want to give any whackos ideas, but....

    the left blames the semi-automatic so-called assault rifle, about which other worthy commenters have provided necessary information in the Derb's column and so on. For the purposes to which a school shooter wishes to put his firearm, there is another one in the closet of many American homes that would serve just as well or better; and that is the 12 gauge with a short barrel. Ammo is readily available and easy to carry, reloading is a cinch, point and shoot at close quarters is guaranteed to hit multiple targets etc. etc.( That being said, I don't want to get into arguments debating fine points with any of you about the virtues of the assault rifle vs. shotgun.)

    What this shows is that the motive is not just one of opportunity; it's not the murders per se. It's the image of blasting people with an assault rifle that the murderers find so alluring and this is proven by the fact that none of the notorious shooters have used a shotgun. Think about that for a moment. There is something to what Jack Daniels is saying. There is a cult-like status to these killings. They're about celebrity. They're about Hollywood and video games and those feature assault weapons, not the lowly pump shotgun.

    So in a perverse way, the school kids are right to focus on the assault rifle. But the assault rifle is just a symbol for what is broken in America today. Don't blame the kids for not knowing how to fix what their supposedly more learned Elders can't fix either. Call it the breakdown of social trust, decorum whatever, we have created this mess and are, for the present, stuck with it and until we stop glamorizing assault weapons in movies and popular culture it appears as though we will be for the foreseeable future.

    Yep. Media. Plus mental defectives on drugs that further screw with neurotransmitters.

    “I Don’t Like Mondays” – At least that little brain damaged freak failed to kill any kids thanks to heroic MEN who did die (unarmed) shielding them. And at least California is thus far smart enough to keep her lesbian ass in prison.

    But the media she got and every defective since her got… Add the Call of Duty and other “games” (media again) glorifying one particular weapon…

    I guess I’m just glad, or should be glad, game developers lack my imagination or we’d have smoking holes in the ground instead of a dozen kids at a time. The mental defectives who do these things are incapable of thinking outside the box – random inbred Arabs function at much higher level.

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  72. If anything has been affirmed by the heartbreaking murder of 17 people, it is that teens should not own guns. Even a cerebrally compromised biology teacher at a progressive school would surely second that, in individuals so young, the capacity for higher-level abstraction and advanced reasoning is not fully developed.

    No thanks. You are more than welcome to push this policy in South Africa or Israel, but it does not belong in the US.

    I owned both a rifle and a shotgun at the age of 12. My 12 year old daughter owns a rifle, a shotgun and a handgun. It is our birthright and an immigrant is not going to take it away.

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    Fuckin' A.
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  73. @Rurik

    This is one of the most deranged pieces of drivel I’ve yet encountered – and that’s saying alot considering Ann Coulter still lives.
     
    tell em grrl

    those children were murdered by Donald Trump and the NRA- and the racist white men who belong to it!

    the bullets flying out of that assault weapon were white men's wrath at a world of color and LGBT identity that they can't oppress anymore.

    We even heard right away how Cruz is a white supremacist, and trained at a white supremacist militia camp! Even the ADL said so!!!

    so we can try to blame the kids or the heroic Sherriff..

    here he is next to a Lamborghini

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2f/d3/07/2fd307f44733cd434e27f6641bc57050.jpg

    at a Ferrari dealership, (probably shopping for some new cruisers)

    one of several cruisers he's had plastered with his mug

    http://media.local10.com/photo/2015/11/26/BSO-sheriff-israel-car_656923_ver1.0_1280_720.jpg

    when your ego is bigger than the county, do you risk your neck to save a few children? What are their lives compared to a Broward Sherriff's deputy!

    It's time we put the blame squarely where it belongs - white men (and specifically Donald Trump who is enabling them)

    and the racist society they're trying to cling to, just as they cling to their racist guns

    Our children will never be safe as long as racist white [redundant] men have access to guns.

    Scott Israel and his deputies are the only ones who have any business with guns.

    Both the Lamborghini and the wrap on it were provided free of charge for a charity event. Neither one cost the sheriff’s department or the taxpayers any money. The wrap was removed and the car returned to the dealer after the event.

    Now the wrap on the patrol car should land the sheriff in prison.

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  74. @Wally
    - Really? There are "100,000,000 evangelicals" in the US?
    - BDS is largely a small European movement, it's even smaller beer in the US, and the move to make it illegal is in the works.
    - So, US taxpayers do not cough up billions of dollars each year to Israel?
    Try again.

    Israel to shut migrant centre and deport Africans
    http://www.unz.com/isteve/israel-to-shut-migrant-centre-and-deport-africans/
    Must read:
    Forget the 'slippery slope' — Israel already is an apartheid state: Neil Macdonald
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/israel-slippery-slope-1.4368018

    Israel will pay African migrants to leave, to jail if they don't accept.
    http://news.trust.org/item/20180103115805-egc1s
    "Netanyahu has called the migrants' presence a threat to Israel's social fabric and Jewish character, and one government minister has referred to them as "a cancer"."
    Facts:
    every US taxpayers ‘loan’ that “that shitty little country” has received has never been paid back. The Israeli Occupied Congress curiously “forgives/forgave” all these huge debts.

    The True Cost of Parasite Israel
    Forced US taxpayers money to Israel goes far beyond the official numbers.
    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-true-cost-of-israel/

    Fighting Israel's Wars
    How the United States military has become Zionized
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/

    Pandering to Israel Has Got to Stop
    Pledges of loyalty to Israel are un-American
    http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/pandering-to-israel-has-got-to-stop/#comments

    Really? There are “100,000,000 evangelicals” in the US?

    My Bad!

    I exaggerated.

    http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/

    So, 26% of 325,000,000 is ONLY 84,500,000.

    Feel better now?

    But we forget the Pope chasers who love men in dresses. Plus the “mainline Protestants” who together add another 35%. So add 113,750,000 to my 84,500,000 above.

    ALL, to a more or lesser degree of fanaticism, are certain that their Messiah will return to where again? What was the name of that place?

    200,000,000 votes is why we fund Israel.

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    You are completely wrong, predictably.

    "The number of white evangelical Protestants fell from about 23 percent of the US population in 2006 to 17 percent in 2016, and only 11 percent are under 30, according to a survey of more than 100,000 Americans."
    https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2017/1010/Amid-Evangelical-decline-growing-split-between-young-Christians-and-church-elders
    ex.:
    "White evangelical Protestants are in decline—along with white mainline Protestants and white Catholics. White evangelical Protestants were once thought to be bucking a longer trend, but over the past decade their numbers have dropped substantially. Fewer than one in five (17%) Americans are white evangelical Protestant, but they accounted for nearly one-quarter (23%) in 2006. Over the same period, white Catholics dropped five percentage points from 16% to 11%, as have white mainline Protestants, from 18% to 13%."

    There you go, now you are more informed. But being a Zionist trying to deflect from Jew responsibility, your laughably fake numbers are to be expected.

    Then you change your story and add those who have no basis for being added to your silly, easily debunked numbers. Smells of desperation.

    Your "200,000,000" is laughable nonsense.

    Also predictable, you dodged my links.

    Be honest next time.

    www.codoh.com

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  75. @anonymous
    BLASPHEMY!

    to paint a Lamborghini anything other than Red or Black or Yellow ought to be against the law.
    Only someone who is mentally deranged would do so.

    to paint a Lamborghini anything other than Red or Black or Yellow ought to be against the law.

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  76. @SolontoCroesus
    jacques sheete do you think for one minute that those "successful professionals" would have achieved, or would maintain, that status if they admitted to anything other than "obtundity?"

    Their success is the "blackmail" that buys their acquiescence.

    jacques sheete do you think for one minute that those “successful professionals” would have achieved, or would maintain, that status if they admitted to anything other than “obtundity?”

    Doubtless that’s part of it, plus they really are dense. By choice, maybe, or denial, but true nonetheless. They not only question nothing, but parrot the usual sentimental and just plain mental rot as if it were gospel.

    It’s really pathetic and beyond belief unless experienced.

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    Doubtless that’s part of it, plus they really are dense. By choice, maybe, or denial, but true nonetheless.
     
    I don’t know your profession and can only speak to my own which has involved speaking to thousands of successful men (almost entirely men and almost entirely white) ranging from engineers, factory managers, property managers, contractors, and owners of many types of businesses from engineering firms to manufacturing to data processing/storage, etc.

    Overwhelmingly I’ve found reticence on non-PC subjects, but realism once they realize I’m sympathetic. Now, again, these are ALL men for whom facts, data, hard pragmatism rules the day and its in perhaps the whitest profession in existence. I recall being completely shocked once when after a meeting I was alone with one guy who expressed outrage that everyone there was chatting about shooting sports (clays if I recall) and thought guns horrible/scary. After decades in my business he was the first ever. Incidentally - he was a Parkland resident and this was several years before the recent tragedy.
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  77. @SolontoCroesus
    Listening to C Span is demanding increasing amounts of intestinal fortitude.

    On the call-in programs discussing guns, inevitably a majority of callers are military or ex-military; it is appropriate, even essential for "our soldiers" to have weapons of mass destruction and to be trained to kill and destroy things, and we all "thank them for their service," but no mere civilian should be permitted to own a weapon "that was designed for the military."

    A Black lady called in this morning to say that "If people feel they need to weapons of mass destruction, they should join the military; they can shoot all the guns they want."

    Ya, if you need to feed your homicidal demon, join the US military; go kill other people's children in a faraway land.


    Do people hear themselves?

    How did we get to this point?

    Listening to C Span is demanding increasing amounts of intestinal fortitude.

    Which is one reason I refuse to have anything to do with corporate media and have never allowed a TV in my house.

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  78. @Stan d Mute

    Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace. ~ James Madison
     

    Similar sentiment.:

    As soon as the government has the money and the soldiers, instead of fulfilling their promises to defend their subjects from foreign enemies, and to arrange things for their benefit, they do all they can to provoke the neighbouring nations and to produce war; and they not only do not promote the internal well-being of their people, but they ruin and corrupt them.

    A few typos, but otherwise a fine summary: Tolstoy, Slavery of Our Times, Chap 8, 11 July, 1900

    http://ebooks.gutenberg.us/WorldeBookLibrary.com/slaverytol.htm#1_0_7

    Police forces are essentially standing armies.

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    Police forces are essentially standing armies.
     
    I believe that’s why we had Sheriffs who could temporarily Deputize civilians and deactivate them after they apprehended the criminal. But I can see where that might become unworkable perhaps in a metropolis. And of course with diversity it’s an impossibility.

    Another fine example:

    The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed. -Alexander Hamilton
     
    , @Stan d Mute
    Here’s the one I was looking for re diversity:

    Providence had also been pleased to give this connected country to one united people, "a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs. . . . This country and this people seem to have been made for each other, and it appears as if it was the design of Providence, that an inheritance so proper and convenient . . . should never be split into a number of unsocial, jealous and alien sovereignties. -John Jay
     
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  79. @SolontoCroesus

    That “Greatest Generation” . . .Those cats were clueless. Most still are.
     
    Increasingly, they're toothless as well.

    iirc Brokaw wrote that mawkish book only around 1999. MIC must have felt the need to re-ignite militarism: Clinton had clipped defense budgets and defense contractors were languishing.

    Thank goodness a non-stop diet of cable war documentariesremilitarized the American public.

    ---
    nb. I'm a Boomer and also a first-generation American, child of immigrants who came here in 1930s. There are a lot of us; we -- at least I -- never knew I was a first gen. American or what that implied, but as I look back -- we children of immigrants were urged to "Americanize" rapidly; we / I had no connection to my parents' ethnic roots, nor was I accepted by earlier Americans (i.e. WASPs). There IS no cultural/ethnic setting in USA in which I feel comfortable or that I belong. My spouse's parents refused to attend our wedding because I was of a low-class ethnicity (Italian -- not on list of Most Favored Nations post WWII) and a Catholic. People who get all gushy about admitting immigrants ought to think a generation or two ahead to what family life, divorce rates, etc. will look like as immigrants marry into the earlier American cohort.

    It's intriguing to note that Italians and Jews were on a similar low rung in the 194os, 1950s and into 1960s, despised alike by WASPs, but then Jews broke out: Hollywood defined "an empire of their (Jews) own," and Holocaustism was invented by PR professionals in the mid-to-late 1960s; Jews who had pushed their way into the free universities in New York and California and procured empty sheepskins began to dominate college faculties. Nowadays, Jews have displaced WASPs and regard Italians -- and most other Americans -- with haughty disdain.

    Thank goodness a non-stop diet of cable war documentaries remilitarized the American public.

    Many of my relatives fought in “da big ones” and we saw plenty of Cronkite’s glorification of militarism and out of control government, “The Twentieth Century.” We thought it was great stuff, but looking back on it, it was sickening.

    Never again.

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    I remember those Sunday afternoon shows on TV that kept beating the drums for more war. They bored the shit out of me so I was usually out on the porch with those of my uncles who had been infantry and armored draftees during the Big One.

    They didn't care for those shows any more than I did.
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  80. @Corvinus
    "Parents should be responsible for the raising and education of their children — financially & in every other way."

    Exactly. Which means if they choose to have public schools and desire to pay for them, that is their responsibility. So your proposal to "ban the schools" is 1) nonsense and 2) fascist.

    Which means if they choose to have public schools and desire to pay for them, that is their responsibility.

    No. It means they’re irresponsible parents and there outta be a law agin’ parents like that. That ought to please everyone.

    You know, the more I think about it, the more it seems that we’d all be better off with contraceptives in the water supply. As for my part, they wouldn’t have to tax me. I’d contribute voluntarily.

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    "No. It means they’re irresponsible parents and there outta be a law agin’ parents like that. That ought to please everyone."

    Hundreds of thousands of white parents are labeled by you as being irresponsible for exercising their free association rights, for choosing to have their children learn? Really? Are you that insane?

    "You know, the more I think about it, the more it seems that we’d all be better off with contraceptives in the water supply."

    Which would prevent white men and white women from having children. You, sir, are a fascist.
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  81. @Stan d Mute

    It’s hard to fault children for believing what their teachers tell them.
     
    Not for me. Didn’t you ever read Hans Christian Andersen? Children haven’t the adult capacity for self-delusion.

    I was raised by a (once) teacher with typically leftist/socialist dogmatic beliefs. All my teachers were of the same ilk. As a teenager I forced my parent into a complete sobbing hysterical mess by debating her until she had to admit that race was as real as concrete and just as immutable. Later in life, I confronted my aunt (her sister), a lifelong teacher, on her deathbed where she openly admitted her lifelong self-delusion but said her fellow travelers would violently deny the truth until on their own deathbed. She forced me to promise I’d convince a cousin to abort a mulatto fetus she was carrying.

    You wanna talk ethical dilemmas, that’s one right there. I’m probably damned eternally for failing to fulfill a deathbed promise I made...

    Point is, a bright kid NOTICES and has freewill to reject the nonsense that adults say. Some kids believe in Santa Claus until their parents finally confess. Those kids are stupid. Never underestimate stupid.

    Second point is that some smart people are inherently gullible. Never underestimate the power of gullible smart people for self-delusion. Often it will visibly manifest itself as “lack of common sense” or belief in something obviously illogical given known facts. Practically speaking, there’s not much distance between this and just plain stupid however.

    Some kids believe in Santa Claus until their parents finally confess. Those kids are stupid. Never underestimate stupid.

    A similar concept applies to all the gulls who think more laws and more government (Santa Claus) will “save” us.

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  82. @anoN
    Whose fault? Parents? Teachers? PC? Pop Culture?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DV6fUmSUMAA7yzZ.jpg

    And to think that Freddy Reed thinks that it’s “dem Blacks” what’s da problum.

    Heaven help us!

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  83. Kids are Democrats by default.

    Kids are nothing if not impressionable by default.

    They may seem to be inherently left wing these days. But there are reasons for that.

    First and foremost, it’s because ever since the dawn of the household television set and government education, parents haven’t actually been the primary source of impression for the majority of American children. Left wing social engineering has been. In school and on tv. In education and entertainment and social circles. Propaganda, pop culture and peer pressure.

    Also, Democrats these days can basically be summarized with most if not all of the same vocabulary that one would use to characterize a pubescent child. Emotional, naive, illogical, petulant.

    But I would not agree that kids are Democrats by default. For the most part, they are products of their environments. It’s monkey see, monkey do, and their environments are all being provided by Democrats.

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    "First and foremost, it’s because ever since the dawn of the household television set and government education, parents haven’t actually been the primary source of impression for the majority of American children. Left wing social engineering has been. In school and on tv. In education and entertainment and social circles. Propaganda, pop culture and peer pressure."

    You are peddling Fake News here. Parents have been and will always have the largest impact on a child's character and emotional development. They generally make decisions that is best for their family. And there is observably no such thing as "left wing social engineering". Rather, there are people from across the racial, ethnic, and social spectrum who play integral roles in our educational and cultural institutions, with children being positively and/or negatively affected by the beliefs and values they are exposed to.

    "Also, Democrats these days can basically be summarized with most if not all of the same vocabulary that one would use to characterize a pubescent child. Emotional, naive, illogical, petulant."

    You are certainly entitled to your opinion, however overgeneralized is your statement.
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  84. Wally says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Really? There are “100,000,000 evangelicals” in the US?
     
    My Bad!

    I exaggerated.

    http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/

    So, 26% of 325,000,000 is ONLY 84,500,000.

    Feel better now?

    But we forget the Pope chasers who love men in dresses. Plus the “mainline Protestants” who together add another 35%. So add 113,750,000 to my 84,500,000 above.

    ALL, to a more or lesser degree of fanaticism, are certain that their Messiah will return to where again? What was the name of that place?

    200,000,000 votes is why we fund Israel.

    You are completely wrong, predictably.

    “The number of white evangelical Protestants fell from about 23 percent of the US population in 2006 to 17 percent in 2016, and only 11 percent are under 30, according to a survey of more than 100,000 Americans.”

    https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2017/1010/Amid-Evangelical-decline-growing-split-between-young-Christians-and-church-elders

    ex.:
    “White evangelical Protestants are in decline—along with white mainline Protestants and white Catholics. White evangelical Protestants were once thought to be bucking a longer trend, but over the past decade their numbers have dropped substantially. Fewer than one in five (17%) Americans are white evangelical Protestant, but they accounted for nearly one-quarter (23%) in 2006. Over the same period, white Catholics dropped five percentage points from 16% to 11%, as have white mainline Protestants, from 18% to 13%.”

    There you go, now you are more informed. But being a Zionist trying to deflect from Jew responsibility, your laughably fake numbers are to be expected.

    Then you change your story and add those who have no basis for being added to your silly, easily debunked numbers. Smells of desperation.

    Your “200,000,000″ is laughable nonsense.

    Also predictable, you dodged my links.

    Be honest next time.

    http://www.codoh.com

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    I cite Pew and you cite CSMonitor?

    Troll.

    And now, using the magic of “permanently ignore this commenter” - Voila! No more Troll (for me at least)..
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  85. It’s not just youth …

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    A nation of Bozos and rapidly worsening.

    Done deal.
    , @Stan d Mute
    Mark Dice’ videos are hilarious/vomit inducing, but some things to keep in mind:

    San Diego is CA’s second most populous County. A solid Republican stronghold until 2004. Very large military population. 70% white and only 5% negro (30% Hispanic of any race). It gives us US Reps Darrel Issa and Duncan Hunter. Trump was badly spanked there, but I don’t think he campaigned and also Californians in general love (LOVE) them some immigrants due to the nonstop rising equity in their homes. The only thing they love more than their weather is their home equity.

    Dice is on the beach, probably during weekdays doing his videos. North County and inland, you’d see something different.

    The word “gaslighting” has fuck all to do with San Diego, but San Diego is famous for its Gas Light District (a non sequitor, but interesting trivia).
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  86. @RadicalCenter
    Age 21 is a more suitable point than age 18 to grant full adult rights and impose full adult responsibilities — seemingly more so now than 60 years or even 30 years ago, given the relative immaturity and lack of full life experience of many 18-20-year-old-kids these days.

    No gun ownership, no voting, no conscription, no smoking tobacco or marijuana, no hard liquor, until age 21.

    What about marriage?

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    Fair question. I don't know. Obviously 21 for that would not work well, right?

    The overriding goal is to stop 18- and 19- and 20-year-olds from being eligible to vote.

    If we need to take away other rights from people in that age group "to be consistent", I'd generally be for doing so. (Moreover, I think that 21-year-olds are often sufficiently more mature in their brain development, life experience, and behavior, to "make a difference" when it comes to their decisionmaking. A minimum age of 21 for marijuana and hard liquor, then, could make sense -- others would include all alcohol -- apart from the consideration of consistency with the voting age or military registration age.)

    Conversely, if we need to remove certain government-imposed obligations from 18- and 19- and 20-year-olds to be "symmetric" and be "fair" to them because they can't vote, I'd be for it (such as not requiring people to register for Selective Service till age 21).

    There will always be some arguable asymmetry or inconsistency unless "everything is set at the same age."

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  87. gustafus says:

    BEWARE the tears of the public

    – their rush to absolve or resolve is murderous beyond the first cause.

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  88. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Jungle Fever will be the end of the white race. Blacks are genetically programmed to destroy civilization but white men are cucks and white women worship Negro dong.

    http://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/local/body-of-missing-middlesex-mother-found-man-arrested/291-524447197

    Blacks are more muscular and more aggressive and pose a grave threat to white manhood and white safety, but UK keeps taking in more blacks who act like this. And among British elites, there is the agenda to turn Anglo-Saxons into Junglo-Saxons because whites worship blacks as athletes and singers.

    https://www.facebook.com/karen.street3/posts/10213865494609988

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    Jungle Fever will be the end of the white race.
     
    Nah. Stupidity, ignorance, gullibility, narcissism and laziness will beat 'em to it.

    BTW, if "white" culture were so great, then why did so many whites rush to the "New World?"
    , @Chris Mallory
    At first I thought you were Tiny Duck, but then I remembered you were the resident cuck who gets off on IR porn.
    , @Stan d Mute
    Commenter @Whiskey by any other name is still @Whiskey. Sock puppet much? Unz needs a Sock Puppet tag to go along with the Troll tag.

    Explain how your dumbass theory aligns with the fact that Icelandic men have won the World Strongman Competition basically forever. Or powerlifting events.

    http://theworldsstrongestman.com/athletes/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_championships_medalists_in_powerlifting_(men)

    Peddle your negro strength crap under your own name so my “ignore” feature works. Negroes excel at two things, distance running and sprinting/jumping.
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  89. There are some 53,000,000 million people under the age of 18 in the US. Since the Newton incident in 2012 (six years ago) the number of children killed by gunfire is 6500. That is a percentage of 0.012287 over a six year period. That is virtually no children at risk from gun fire. Now to be fair, a look at the number under 18 just in Florida – the percentage who would be at risk from gun violence is 0.326%. Not even a 1/2% likelihood. That across a span of six years divide that number by six for an annual rate — 0.054. There’s just no threat. And while this incident is tragic, that it causes these extreme accusations is something that one would think the educators of would remind themselves as well as students should be kept in perspective.

    Children in the US or in Florida are barely (if that) at risk of gun violence. This remains a rare incident, not a staple of student life or the life of children.

    I would contend against the idea of arming instructor or admin. These incidents are not endemic or an epidemic requiring arming everyone in the country or in Florida schools.

    ——————–

    And in they are sincerely concerned about gun violence –

    They should be reminded that there are places in world in which children are being killed en masse. And no small number of them killed by democratic and liberal administrators. In fact, Sec Hillary Clinton supported US operations responsible for such events. And she was eager to do more than the current admin is advocating for. If they want to protect, perhaps, challenging why their instructors are so distraught over Sec Clinton’s loss, given here agenda to use guns to advance policy objectives

    and children were but collateral damage in her advocacy.

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  90. anarchyst says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Age 21 is a more suitable point than age 18 to grant full adult rights and impose full adult responsibilities — seemingly more so now than 60 years or even 30 years ago, given the relative immaturity and lack of full life experience of many 18-20-year-old-kids these days.

    No gun ownership, no voting, no conscription, no smoking tobacco or marijuana, no hard liquor, until age 21.

    I would propose a “carve out” for those serving in the military. Those who serve on active duty in the military should have “full” adult rights.

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    Those who serve on active duty in the military should have “full” adult rights.
     
    Nope - military are often cut off from information and their entire lives are subject to control by superior officers. Letting them vote (when others can't) just invites abuses by higher-ups.

    Better solution: grant ENHANCED voting rights (maybe votes count 1.5 times) to those who have served honorably for, e.g. 5 years.

    Similarly, grant enhanced voting rights to those who have been married with children for 5 years, perhaps by letting their 2 votes count as 3. However, spouses should vote only one ballot. If they can't agree on any vote, their vote does not count.
    , @SolontoCroesus
    Nobody "serves" in the military, they apply for employment- and become hired by government agencies.
    They have full knowledge beforehand that their job will be to kill and destroy on command.

    In no conceivable way are "patriots" ensuring my "security" when they batter down doors to homes in Iraq and spray bullets from their assault-weapons/WMD-that-only-military-should-be-allowed-to-use.

    Inasmuch as the Iraq war has, for several years, been labeled a "blunder" and "illegitimate," for which Bush, etc. should be arrested and tried at Hague, any military person who participates in that illegitimate war is acting equally immorally and illegitimately and should be subject to prosecution by the same court of international justice.

    They are not heroes or patriots just because they wear uniforms and are heavily trained to use very expensive and very lethal weapons.

    It is astonishing that the American sheeple allow themselves to silo murderous militarism from gun violence among psychologically immature (at best) teenagers.

    How many times do teenagers hear their 'leaders' and media / propagandist say "Thank you for your service" to people who kill other innocent people, and justify it because they wear a uniform?

    They are hirelings, hired to kill and destroy.

    Don't feed those Trolls.

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  91. anarchyst says:

    True “courage under fire” is a concept that is sadly lacking in today’s society. Most people live their lives out as decent human beings without coming into contact with those who would do them harm, and as such, have no idea of what it is like to have to act “on principle”, and do things “out of the ordinary” that serve to preserve innocent life, even at the expense of the courageous.

    “Courage under fire” is an interesting concept that most people do not understand, and is not limited to military actions, but occurs in everyday life. Most people who exhibit courage under fire are ordinary, mild-mannered, non-violent individuals who have been propelled (actually thrust) into a situation that requires immediate action. Examples include Medal of Honor recipients, those exposed to combat, and yes, those who give their lives to protect our children in our abominable and misguided “gun free zones” called “schools”.

    Let’s look at comparisons between our military and veterans who DO exhibit “courage under fire” as a matter of course, and our civilian (but “quasi-military”) “law enforcement” (who should exhibit the same characteristics), but have become more and more removed from this concept of “courage under fire”. You see, in today’s “law enforcement” community, “officer safety” is paramount. Most ordinary line officers will wait for a SWAT team, even on routine assignments, where even the SWAT teams exhibits a degree of caution that results in innocent lives being lost. It appears that the only time police and SWAT teams act with impunity is when they KNOW that they are relatively safe, as in their invasions on individual residences. In today’s “law enforcement” community, “making it to retirement” is the goal. Putting one’s life in peril “for the greater good” is absolutely “out of the question”. Unlike our military and veterans, today’s “law enforcement” runs away from gunfire.

    A good examples of this is the latest school mass shooting in which the well-equipped police and SWAT teams SAT ON THEIR HANDS while the carnage was taking place. It most certainly appears that “courage under fire” is an unknown concept in American “law enforcement”. We are being told that this concept of “waiting to act” was abandoned after Columbine, but one can easily see that this is not the case, with the latest example being the most recent school mass shooting, where “law enforcement” hesitated to act.

    Of course, “law enforcement” has an “out”. The Supreme Court has ruled that police officers HAVE NO DUTY to protect individual citizens–only “society-at-large”.

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  92. Truth says:
    @Twodees Partain
    "Let’s take advantage of the Trump interlude to encourage a proud and confident defiance of the left and its false and harmful ideas."

    Yeah, well...good luck with that. Trump is now in agreement with the left on its "gun show loophole" nonsense. "Trump interlude", my ass. You can count on Trump to be absent when any real fight against the left is joined, and if he does chime in, it'll be on the side of his fellow NYC democrats.

    and if he does chime in, it’ll be on the side of his fellow NYC democrats.

    You don’t even have an idea, yet!

    Hey guys, your president just turned the heat up to 10!

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  93. @Bardon Kaldian
    It's not just youth ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9g0EYIUfX4

    A nation of Bozos and rapidly worsening.

    Done deal.

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  94. Corvinus says:
    @jacques sheete

    Which means if they choose to have public schools and desire to pay for them, that is their responsibility.
     
    No. It means they're irresponsible parents and there outta be a law agin' parents like that. That ought to please everyone.

    You know, the more I think about it, the more it seems that we'd all be better off with contraceptives in the water supply. As for my part, they wouldn't have to tax me. I'd contribute voluntarily.

    “No. It means they’re irresponsible parents and there outta be a law agin’ parents like that. That ought to please everyone.”

    Hundreds of thousands of white parents are labeled by you as being irresponsible for exercising their free association rights, for choosing to have their children learn? Really? Are you that insane?

    “You know, the more I think about it, the more it seems that we’d all be better off with contraceptives in the water supply.”

    Which would prevent white men and white women from having children. You, sir, are a fascist.

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    Are you that insane?
     
    Probably. I am, after all, a 'Merkin citizen.

    Which would prevent white men and white women from having children.
     
    Which is the idea! You got it, by Jove! 2 gold stars for you!

    You, sir, are a fascist.
     
    An insane one, even. And you are an ignoramus. At least I have the ability to advance; you, on the other hand...

    BTW, I think governments should be unarmed. Can you specify what kind of insane fascist that'd be?

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  95. Sean says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Unlike screen cops, real life cops can really get killed
     
    Yeah, such brave souls. Such a dangerous job. It ranks #14, safer than construction supervisors, salesmen, garbage men, and even landscapers...

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/2018/01/09/workplace-fatalities-25-most-dangerous-jobs-america/1002500001/

    Pablo, your leaf blower from Guatemala, is braver.

    To protect and serve–our genes.

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  96. Joe Wong says:
    @WorkingClass
    "Kids are Democrats by default."

    They are not registered Democrats. That would be their teachers and school administrators. The people these kids are supposed to learn from are telling them that the NRA killed their friends and teachers. It's hard to fault children for believing what their teachers tell them.

    So why do "educators" lie to children about the NRA? Why do they teach white children to hate themselves? Why do they require pre-pubesent children to select a gender for themselves? They are creating passive, weak, confused, brain washed, useful idiots for the new left.


    "There are, indubitably, good arguments to be made against the NRA. The kids—who managed to be, for the most, rude, ungrammatical, sanctimonious and smarmy—failed to muster them."

    Rude, ungrammatical, sanctimonious and smarmy qualifies them to be our future snow flakes. These kids are to be pitied Ilana.

    Trolling the same NRA obfuscation propaganda on UNZ Review? Are you believing the readers here are the school kids? Guns do not kill only people kills? My foot, both guns and people kills, without one or the other killing won’t happen, get rid of guns is the integal part of the package to get rid of the massive killing of kids and music concert audience madness, the other part is to get rid of mad people by education that violence is bad. Get rid of guns is the easy part, it should be done first.

    Why does the people have the right to bear arms? Constitution right? BS, if constitution says it is alright to murder, are you going to follow the constitution and murder on rampage? Are you a zambie and can’t think what is right and what is wrong? If you can’t, definitely you should not be allowed to bear dangerous and harm arms. There is no enemy invading the USA, there is no need for the people to bear arms, that constitution was written at different time, and is no longer applicable, it is void and null, and no civilians should be allowed to bear arms.

    Exposing the NRA is insidious is teaching white kids hating themselves? You surely a Nazi and cold war strawman fallacy propagandist, linking irrelevant issues to stir up hatred.

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  97. Corvinus says:
    @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    Kids are Democrats by default.
     
    Kids are nothing if not impressionable by default.

    They may seem to be inherently left wing these days. But there are reasons for that.

    First and foremost, it's because ever since the dawn of the household television set and government education, parents haven't actually been the primary source of impression for the majority of American children. Left wing social engineering has been. In school and on tv. In education and entertainment and social circles. Propaganda, pop culture and peer pressure.

    Also, Democrats these days can basically be summarized with most if not all of the same vocabulary that one would use to characterize a pubescent child. Emotional, naive, illogical, petulant.

    But I would not agree that kids are Democrats by default. For the most part, they are products of their environments. It's monkey see, monkey do, and their environments are all being provided by Democrats.

    “First and foremost, it’s because ever since the dawn of the household television set and government education, parents haven’t actually been the primary source of impression for the majority of American children. Left wing social engineering has been. In school and on tv. In education and entertainment and social circles. Propaganda, pop culture and peer pressure.”

    You are peddling Fake News here. Parents have been and will always have the largest impact on a child’s character and emotional development. They generally make decisions that is best for their family. And there is observably no such thing as “left wing social engineering”. Rather, there are people from across the racial, ethnic, and social spectrum who play integral roles in our educational and cultural institutions, with children being positively and/or negatively affected by the beliefs and values they are exposed to.

    “Also, Democrats these days can basically be summarized with most if not all of the same vocabulary that one would use to characterize a pubescent child. Emotional, naive, illogical, petulant.”

    You are certainly entitled to your opinion, however overgeneralized is your statement.

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  98. @Anon
    Jungle Fever will be the end of the white race. Blacks are genetically programmed to destroy civilization but white men are cucks and white women worship Negro dong.

    http://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/local/body-of-missing-middlesex-mother-found-man-arrested/291-524447197

    Blacks are more muscular and more aggressive and pose a grave threat to white manhood and white safety, but UK keeps taking in more blacks who act like this. And among British elites, there is the agenda to turn Anglo-Saxons into Junglo-Saxons because whites worship blacks as athletes and singers.

    https://www.facebook.com/karen.street3/posts/10213865494609988

    Jungle Fever will be the end of the white race.

    Nah. Stupidity, ignorance, gullibility, narcissism and laziness will beat ‘em to it.

    BTW, if “white” culture were so great, then why did so many whites rush to the “New World?”

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  99. @Corvinus
    "No. It means they’re irresponsible parents and there outta be a law agin’ parents like that. That ought to please everyone."

    Hundreds of thousands of white parents are labeled by you as being irresponsible for exercising their free association rights, for choosing to have their children learn? Really? Are you that insane?

    "You know, the more I think about it, the more it seems that we’d all be better off with contraceptives in the water supply."

    Which would prevent white men and white women from having children. You, sir, are a fascist.

    Are you that insane?

    Probably. I am, after all, a ‘Merkin citizen.

    Which would prevent white men and white women from having children.

    Which is the idea! You got it, by Jove! 2 gold stars for you!

    You, sir, are a fascist.

    An insane one, even. And you are an ignoramus. At least I have the ability to advance; you, on the other hand…

    BTW, I think governments should be unarmed. Can you specify what kind of insane fascist that’d be?

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    Brother, use the “ignore” feature. He’s a Troll.
    , @Corvinus
    "At least I have the ability to advance; you, on the other hand…"

    That's more Fake News on your part.

    "BTW, I think governments should be unarmed.

    You can think that all you want. But it is other than realistic and practical on your part.
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  100. @Sean
    Unlike screen cops, real life cops can really get killed

    “Our first job is to make sure we go home to our families safe at night.”
     
    More guns or less guns won't alter that brute fact.

    Most cops do have guts!

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    That is because they listen to their genes and eat the doughnuts.
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  101. Joe Wong says:
    @Stan d Mute

    It’s hard to fault children for believing what their teachers tell them.
     
    Not for me. Didn’t you ever read Hans Christian Andersen? Children haven’t the adult capacity for self-delusion.

    I was raised by a (once) teacher with typically leftist/socialist dogmatic beliefs. All my teachers were of the same ilk. As a teenager I forced my parent into a complete sobbing hysterical mess by debating her until she had to admit that race was as real as concrete and just as immutable. Later in life, I confronted my aunt (her sister), a lifelong teacher, on her deathbed where she openly admitted her lifelong self-delusion but said her fellow travelers would violently deny the truth until on their own deathbed. She forced me to promise I’d convince a cousin to abort a mulatto fetus she was carrying.

    You wanna talk ethical dilemmas, that’s one right there. I’m probably damned eternally for failing to fulfill a deathbed promise I made...

    Point is, a bright kid NOTICES and has freewill to reject the nonsense that adults say. Some kids believe in Santa Claus until their parents finally confess. Those kids are stupid. Never underestimate stupid.

    Second point is that some smart people are inherently gullible. Never underestimate the power of gullible smart people for self-delusion. Often it will visibly manifest itself as “lack of common sense” or belief in something obviously illogical given known facts. Practically speaking, there’s not much distance between this and just plain stupid however.

    You should use your brightness to expose WorkingClass is unscruplous and his fallacies instead of merely protesting that kids also have freewill to reject the nonsense that adults say, that will really show you said what you meant.

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  102. Sean says:

    Do even SEAL team members act with real courage of the sort movie cops always do? I would say courage is to act opposing the influence of your selfish genetic programming, but in accordance with your principles irrespective of the personal costs and consequences while the balance of your mind is undisturbed. If you look at the most decorated infantry soldier of every era, they almost all had serious problems with alcohol. As late as WW1 they were officially issued with courage of the Dutch variety, Now transcranial stimulators that silence one’s inner naysayer are being researched by the US army to make soldiers fight better. Yuval Noah Harari’s Homo Deus quotes a female journalist who tried a first person shooter simulation and she was useless and unfocused, but with the aid of the trans-cranial simulator helmet, she was in the zone and became the Terminator. It would take a very special person to enter a building where an AR15 was being used to kill people knowing that the killer would shoot at anything that moved but you will be taking a split second to check what you are firing at.

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    It would take a very special person to enter a building where an AR15 was being used to kill people knowing that the killer would shoot at anything that moved but you will be taking a split second to check what you are firing at.
     
    Yet two unarmed coaches did just that. Citizens have a much better record of stopping shootings than the cops do. All the cops are good for is drawing chalk lines, stringing tape, writing reports and shooting dogs.
    , @Stan d Mute
    Audie Murphy
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  103. I think that anyone who had been cooped up in a school or building while someone went on a shooting rampage that resulted in the death of 17 individuals, less than two weeks ago, could be expected to be in a state of shock and even PTSD where they’d be both highly susceptible to manipulation, and during which they could be generally forgiven for taking nearly any position.

    Rather than harsh on the kids – it should be a talking point that minors, in trauma, are being abused, for someone else’s short-term political gain. And say it over, and over, and over, again, without letting them change the subject.

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    I think this has value. With a caveat, that the purpose to move them forward as opposed to merely wading in self analytic fear reinforcement of a nonexistent threat from gun toting anyone's.
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  104. Sean says:
    @Father O'Hara
    Most cops do have guts!

    That is because they listen to their genes and eat the doughnuts.

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  105. Bring back the draft. Make draft age 35. No deferments. No exceptions. If you cannot fight or will not fight, you clean bedpans in the old folks homes and hospitals or pick crops in fields. Two years minimum national service from people with real-life experience and skin in the game.

    See how many wars we will fight. See how many fewer immigrant laborers we will need.

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    I like Jim Northrup's idea: no war can be waged until the last veteran of the previous war has died from old age.
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  106. @Anon
    Jungle Fever will be the end of the white race. Blacks are genetically programmed to destroy civilization but white men are cucks and white women worship Negro dong.

    http://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/local/body-of-missing-middlesex-mother-found-man-arrested/291-524447197

    Blacks are more muscular and more aggressive and pose a grave threat to white manhood and white safety, but UK keeps taking in more blacks who act like this. And among British elites, there is the agenda to turn Anglo-Saxons into Junglo-Saxons because whites worship blacks as athletes and singers.

    https://www.facebook.com/karen.street3/posts/10213865494609988

    At first I thought you were Tiny Duck, but then I remembered you were the resident cuck who gets off on IR porn.

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  107. @Sean
    Do even SEAL team members act with real courage of the sort movie cops always do? I would say courage is to act opposing the influence of your selfish genetic programming, but in accordance with your principles irrespective of the personal costs and consequences while the balance of your mind is undisturbed. If you look at the most decorated infantry soldier of every era, they almost all had serious problems with alcohol. As late as WW1 they were officially issued with courage of the Dutch variety, Now transcranial stimulators that silence one’s inner naysayer are being researched by the US army to make soldiers fight better. Yuval Noah Harari’s Homo Deus quotes a female journalist who tried a first person shooter simulation and she was useless and unfocused, but with the aid of the trans-cranial simulator helmet, she was in the zone and became the Terminator. It would take a very special person to enter a building where an AR15 was being used to kill people knowing that the killer would shoot at anything that moved but you will be taking a split second to check what you are firing at.

    It would take a very special person to enter a building where an AR15 was being used to kill people knowing that the killer would shoot at anything that moved but you will be taking a split second to check what you are firing at.

    Yet two unarmed coaches did just that. Citizens have a much better record of stopping shootings than the cops do. All the cops are good for is drawing chalk lines, stringing tape, writing reports and shooting dogs.

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  108. Eagle Eye says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Age 21 is a more suitable point than age 18 to grant full adult rights and impose full adult responsibilities — seemingly more so now than 60 years or even 30 years ago, given the relative immaturity and lack of full life experience of many 18-20-year-old-kids these days.

    No gun ownership, no voting, no conscription, no smoking tobacco or marijuana, no hard liquor, until age 21.

    No gun ownership, no voting, no conscription, no smoking tobacco or marijuana, no hard liquor, until age 21.

    Let’s hold off on the voting until they are 25, and 30 to be elected to any office.

    Also, anyone on the public payroll (including public contractors, welfare recipients, prisoners, etc.) loses the right to vote while they get any benefits, or take Ritalin etc., and for 5 years after that.

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    You present some promising proposals.

    Many 25-year-olds today lack the responsibilities, life experience, and maturity that most 18-year-olds used to have.

    At age 25, huge numbers of American "men" and "women" aren't married or close to it, they're not raising children, and they've never even handled or fired a gun let alone been trained in defending innocent lives with a gun.

    Many of them are accustomed to having "upsetting" contrary viewpoints and questions shut down by intimidation, including now physical intimidation and threats in addition to social ostracism and career destruction -- rather than engaging in argument without flipping out or hysterically calling names.

    If they work during their many years in school, they rarely earn enough in a year to pay federal income tax, so they have no idea what actual taxpayers are contending with. On the contrary, they could end up receiving free money from the rest of us through the "Earned [sic] Income Tax Credit." That credit is "refundable", which in the Orwellian language of government means that lower earners "get back" money that they never paid in the first place.

    So yes, a voting age of 25 would be a good idea in today's pathetic America. But I don't see even a 21 voting age getting restored anytime soon. Maybe in one of the entities that forms as the USA falls apart (God help us all).
    , @RadicalCenter
    Your last paragraph is crucial. Military personnel, active or retired, combat or civilian, must be barred from voting too.
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  109. Eagle Eye says:
    @anarchyst
    I would propose a "carve out" for those serving in the military. Those who serve on active duty in the military should have "full" adult rights.

    Those who serve on active duty in the military should have “full” adult rights.

    Nope – military are often cut off from information and their entire lives are subject to control by superior officers. Letting them vote (when others can’t) just invites abuses by higher-ups.

    Better solution: grant ENHANCED voting rights (maybe votes count 1.5 times) to those who have served honorably for, e.g. 5 years.

    Similarly, grant enhanced voting rights to those who have been married with children for 5 years, perhaps by letting their 2 votes count as 3. However, spouses should vote only one ballot. If they can’t agree on any vote, their vote does not count.

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    No enhanced voting rights for the military. HELL NO. It would make more sense to bar them, like all federal government employees, from voting in federal elections.
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  110. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Another enjoyable mess. Who in America thinks the cops or FBI are there to protect them? The government protects life, liberty and property as the owner-ruler class sees fit. Liberty is not freedom and criminal law is for the poors to make them slaves.

    If the second amendment was a threat in any way to the government it would be gone immediately.

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  111. @Joseph Doaks
    What about marriage?

    Fair question. I don’t know. Obviously 21 for that would not work well, right?

    The overriding goal is to stop 18- and 19- and 20-year-olds from being eligible to vote.

    If we need to take away other rights from people in that age group “to be consistent”, I’d generally be for doing so. (Moreover, I think that 21-year-olds are often sufficiently more mature in their brain development, life experience, and behavior, to “make a difference” when it comes to their decisionmaking. A minimum age of 21 for marijuana and hard liquor, then, could make sense — others would include all alcohol — apart from the consideration of consistency with the voting age or military registration age.)

    Conversely, if we need to remove certain government-imposed obligations from 18- and 19- and 20-year-olds to be “symmetric” and be “fair” to them because they can’t vote, I’d be for it (such as not requiring people to register for Selective Service till age 21).

    There will always be some arguable asymmetry or inconsistency unless “everything is set at the same age.”

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  112. @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    I think that anyone who had been cooped up in a school or building while someone went on a shooting rampage that resulted in the death of 17 individuals, less than two weeks ago, could be expected to be in a state of shock and even PTSD where they'd be both highly susceptible to manipulation, and during which they could be generally forgiven for taking nearly any position.

    Rather than harsh on the kids - it should be a talking point that minors, in trauma, are being abused, for someone else's short-term political gain. And say it over, and over, and over, again, without letting them change the subject.

    I think this has value. With a caveat, that the purpose to move them forward as opposed to merely wading in self analytic fear reinforcement of a nonexistent threat from gun toting anyone’s.

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    Maybe.
    I think they're being used, and crassly so, and it's a barometer on just how far along in the process we are and just how bad it is, that that isn't gobsmackingly the most obvious thing to anyone watching including, and maybe especially, those sympathetic to how they're being used.
    Someone comes into your place of work or study and shoots up the place - you are right to be p--ssed, you are right to be off your rocker and besides yourself - and you are prime pickings for manipulative abuse.
    We don't police, let alone stop, anyone from that kind of abuse anymore - at least when the abuse if for the right cause.
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  113. @Eagle Eye

    Those who serve on active duty in the military should have “full” adult rights.
     
    Nope - military are often cut off from information and their entire lives are subject to control by superior officers. Letting them vote (when others can't) just invites abuses by higher-ups.

    Better solution: grant ENHANCED voting rights (maybe votes count 1.5 times) to those who have served honorably for, e.g. 5 years.

    Similarly, grant enhanced voting rights to those who have been married with children for 5 years, perhaps by letting their 2 votes count as 3. However, spouses should vote only one ballot. If they can't agree on any vote, their vote does not count.

    No enhanced voting rights for the military. HELL NO. It would make more sense to bar them, like all federal government employees, from voting in federal elections.

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    Agree that active military - like everyone else getting government bennies - should never be allowed to vote. Same for anyone getting a military pension (maybe a carve-out for those over 65).
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  114. @jacques sheete

    jacques sheete do you think for one minute that those “successful professionals” would have achieved, or would maintain, that status if they admitted to anything other than “obtundity?”
     
    Doubtless that's part of it, plus they really are dense. By choice, maybe, or denial, but true nonetheless. They not only question nothing, but parrot the usual sentimental and just plain mental rot as if it were gospel.

    It's really pathetic and beyond belief unless experienced.

    Doubtless that’s part of it, plus they really are dense. By choice, maybe, or denial, but true nonetheless.

    I don’t know your profession and can only speak to my own which has involved speaking to thousands of successful men (almost entirely men and almost entirely white) ranging from engineers, factory managers, property managers, contractors, and owners of many types of businesses from engineering firms to manufacturing to data processing/storage, etc.

    Overwhelmingly I’ve found reticence on non-PC subjects, but realism once they realize I’m sympathetic. Now, again, these are ALL men for whom facts, data, hard pragmatism rules the day and its in perhaps the whitest profession in existence. I recall being completely shocked once when after a meeting I was alone with one guy who expressed outrage that everyone there was chatting about shooting sports (clays if I recall) and thought guns horrible/scary. After decades in my business he was the first ever. Incidentally – he was a Parkland resident and this was several years before the recent tragedy.

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    The groups I'm familiar with are lawyers, engineers, "academics," teachers, bankers, accountants, health care personnel such as nurses, pharmacists, physicians, veterinarians, with some business owners in the mix, and it sounds as if our impressions are miles apart. Our family is also heavy into those things and almost all have married similar professionals, so I know many intimately.

    Like I said, they are unquestionably bright people in their fields. Because of that, they think their opinions on everything are gold plated, and their attitudes are fixed. If I were a depressive sort, I'd probably need medication if not institutionalization as a result of coming to know what their attitudes are and why.
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  115. @Eagle Eye

    No gun ownership, no voting, no conscription, no smoking tobacco or marijuana, no hard liquor, until age 21.
     
    Let's hold off on the voting until they are 25, and 30 to be elected to any office.

    Also, anyone on the public payroll (including public contractors, welfare recipients, prisoners, etc.) loses the right to vote while they get any benefits, or take Ritalin etc., and for 5 years after that.

    You present some promising proposals.

    Many 25-year-olds today lack the responsibilities, life experience, and maturity that most 18-year-olds used to have.

    At age 25, huge numbers of American “men” and “women” aren’t married or close to it, they’re not raising children, and they’ve never even handled or fired a gun let alone been trained in defending innocent lives with a gun.

    Many of them are accustomed to having “upsetting” contrary viewpoints and questions shut down by intimidation, including now physical intimidation and threats in addition to social ostracism and career destruction — rather than engaging in argument without flipping out or hysterically calling names.

    If they work during their many years in school, they rarely earn enough in a year to pay federal income tax, so they have no idea what actual taxpayers are contending with. On the contrary, they could end up receiving free money from the rest of us through the “Earned [sic] Income Tax Credit.” That credit is “refundable”, which in the Orwellian language of government means that lower earners “get back” money that they never paid in the first place.

    So yes, a voting age of 25 would be a good idea in today’s pathetic America. But I don’t see even a 21 voting age getting restored anytime soon. Maybe in one of the entities that forms as the USA falls apart (God help us all).

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    "Many 25-year-olds today lack the responsibilities, life experience, and maturity that most 18-year-olds used to have."

    It never ceases to amaze how SJW's and those on the Alt Right make overblown generalizations and pass them off as "truth" or "fact". While you are entitled to your opinion, realize it is an outlier. Offer specific proof

    "At age 25, huge numbers of American “men” and “women” aren’t married or close to it, they’re not raising children...

    Which could mean that this group is decidedly mature because they realize they are not yet where they want to be in order to tie the knot and/or raise offspring. Being mature does not mean one has to be in your required condition at a particular age.

    "and they’ve never even handled or fired a gun let alone been trained in defending innocent lives with a gun."

    Please educate yourself on this matter.

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/young-guns-millennials-may-be-moving-toward-greater-gun-ownership/2244136

    "Many of them are accustomed to having “upsetting” contrary viewpoints and questions shut down by intimidation, including now physical intimidation and threats in addition to social ostracism and career destruction — rather than engaging in argument without flipping out or hysterically calling names."

    In reality, the young people of today are quite skilled at having productive arguments.

    "If they work during their many years in school, they rarely earn enough in a year to pay federal income tax, so they have no idea what actual taxpayers are contending with."

    It's called being a learned person. They are definitively exposed to what taxpayers experience, whether it be how it affects government or impacts the economy.

    "So yes, a voting age of 25 would be a good idea in today’s pathetic America. But I don’t see even a 21 voting age getting restored anytime soon."

    Which means it is a moot point. Why belabor it?

    "Military personnel, active or retired, combat or civilian, must be barred from voting too."

    Again, this proposal is going no where. Why even bring it up?

    "Maybe in one of the entities that forms as the USA falls apart (God help us all)."

    You are dreaming.
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  116. @Eagle Eye

    No gun ownership, no voting, no conscription, no smoking tobacco or marijuana, no hard liquor, until age 21.
     
    Let's hold off on the voting until they are 25, and 30 to be elected to any office.

    Also, anyone on the public payroll (including public contractors, welfare recipients, prisoners, etc.) loses the right to vote while they get any benefits, or take Ritalin etc., and for 5 years after that.

    Your last paragraph is crucial. Military personnel, active or retired, combat or civilian, must be barred from voting too.

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  117. @jacques sheete
    Similar sentiment.:

    As soon as the government has the money and the soldiers, instead of fulfilling their promises to defend their subjects from foreign enemies, and to arrange things for their benefit, they do all they can to provoke the neighbouring nations and to produce war; and they not only do not promote the internal well-being of their people, but they ruin and corrupt them.

    A few typos, but otherwise a fine summary: Tolstoy, Slavery of Our Times, Chap 8, 11 July, 1900

    http://ebooks.gutenberg.us/WorldeBookLibrary.com/slaverytol.htm#1_0_7

     
    Police forces are essentially standing armies.

    Police forces are essentially standing armies.

    I believe that’s why we had Sheriffs who could temporarily Deputize civilians and deactivate them after they apprehended the criminal. But I can see where that might become unworkable perhaps in a metropolis. And of course with diversity it’s an impossibility.

    Another fine example:

    The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed. -Alexander Hamilton

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    Stan d, thanks for your comments, but the quotes you've provided don't sound like the Madison and Hamilton that I know!

    Both were statists as you undoubtedly know, and are not among my favorites. But then, even Thomas Paine was in favor of the Constitution! Arrrrrgggghhh!
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  118. @jacques sheete
    Similar sentiment.:

    As soon as the government has the money and the soldiers, instead of fulfilling their promises to defend their subjects from foreign enemies, and to arrange things for their benefit, they do all they can to provoke the neighbouring nations and to produce war; and they not only do not promote the internal well-being of their people, but they ruin and corrupt them.

    A few typos, but otherwise a fine summary: Tolstoy, Slavery of Our Times, Chap 8, 11 July, 1900

    http://ebooks.gutenberg.us/WorldeBookLibrary.com/slaverytol.htm#1_0_7

     
    Police forces are essentially standing armies.

    Here’s the one I was looking for re diversity:

    Providence had also been pleased to give this connected country to one united people, “a people descended from the same ancestors, speaking the same language, professing the same religion, attached to the same principles of government, very similar in their manners and customs. . . . This country and this people seem to have been made for each other, and it appears as if it was the design of Providence, that an inheritance so proper and convenient . . . should never be split into a number of unsocial, jealous and alien sovereignties. -John Jay

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  119. @Wally
    You are completely wrong, predictably.

    "The number of white evangelical Protestants fell from about 23 percent of the US population in 2006 to 17 percent in 2016, and only 11 percent are under 30, according to a survey of more than 100,000 Americans."
    https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2017/1010/Amid-Evangelical-decline-growing-split-between-young-Christians-and-church-elders
    ex.:
    "White evangelical Protestants are in decline—along with white mainline Protestants and white Catholics. White evangelical Protestants were once thought to be bucking a longer trend, but over the past decade their numbers have dropped substantially. Fewer than one in five (17%) Americans are white evangelical Protestant, but they accounted for nearly one-quarter (23%) in 2006. Over the same period, white Catholics dropped five percentage points from 16% to 11%, as have white mainline Protestants, from 18% to 13%."

    There you go, now you are more informed. But being a Zionist trying to deflect from Jew responsibility, your laughably fake numbers are to be expected.

    Then you change your story and add those who have no basis for being added to your silly, easily debunked numbers. Smells of desperation.

    Your "200,000,000" is laughable nonsense.

    Also predictable, you dodged my links.

    Be honest next time.

    www.codoh.com

    I cite Pew and you cite CSMonitor?

    Troll.

    And now, using the magic of “permanently ignore this commenter” – Voila! No more Troll (for me at least)..

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    "I cite Pew and you cite CSMonitor? Troll."

    You have to prove that those statistics are other than accurate. In other words, you have to some intellectually heavy lifting here, rather than lazily dismissing a source outright. But that is your standard operating procedure.
    , @Wally
    Here you go, lots more:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=evangelicals+in+us+decline&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjnpqDB987ZAhUJxWMKHX7BDHUQBQgkKAA&biw=1366&bih=626

    You lose.

    www.codoh.com

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  120. Forbes says:
    @anoN
    Whose fault? Parents? Teachers? PC? Pop Culture?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DV6fUmSUMAA7yzZ.jpg

    Thanks for the warning. I wouldn’t have known otherwise. LOL!

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  121. @Bardon Kaldian
    It's not just youth ...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9g0EYIUfX4

    Mark Dice’ videos are hilarious/vomit inducing, but some things to keep in mind:

    San Diego is CA’s second most populous County. A solid Republican stronghold until 2004. Very large military population. 70% white and only 5% negro (30% Hispanic of any race). It gives us US Reps Darrel Issa and Duncan Hunter. Trump was badly spanked there, but I don’t think he campaigned and also Californians in general love (LOVE) them some immigrants due to the nonstop rising equity in their homes. The only thing they love more than their weather is their home equity.

    Dice is on the beach, probably during weekdays doing his videos. North County and inland, you’d see something different.

    The word “gaslighting” has fuck all to do with San Diego, but San Diego is famous for its Gas Light District (a non sequitor, but interesting trivia).

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  122. Realist says:
    @jacques sheete

    NO! The first job is to protect the public….period.
     
    If only. The concept exists mainly in our dreams, and people would do well to understand that government is a protection racket and that bureaucrats are mostly sadists.

    Here's a much more informative article on the subject.:

    Florida School Massacre Proves Police Are Worthless In Protecting Us

    ... police officers have NO OBLIGATION to protect the American citizenry

    “Why do we have more than a million cops on the taxpayer-funded payroll in this country whose jobs do not entail protecting our safety, maintaining the peace in our communities, and upholding our liberties?

    … “I’ll tell you why.

    “This is no longer* a government ‘of the people, by the people, for the people.’

    “It is fast becoming a government ‘of the rich, by the elite, for the corporations,’ and its rise to power is predicated on shackling the American taxpayer to a life of indentured servitude.

    “Cops in America may get paid by the citizenry, but they don’t work for us.

    “They don’t answer to us. They’re not loyal to us.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/03/chuck-baldwin/florida-school-massacre-proves-police-are-worthless-in-protecting-us/
     
    *The author makes an error here. He should have written that it never was a government of, for and by the people.

    A sad state of affairs.That is why the right to own guns id imperative.

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    A sad state of affairs.That is why the right to own guns id imperative.
     
    I agree and would also remind folks that an even better defense is to learn to question everything.

    One will not learn that through government instruction or corporate entertainment which is often fraudulently labelled "news."
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  123. @Anon
    Jungle Fever will be the end of the white race. Blacks are genetically programmed to destroy civilization but white men are cucks and white women worship Negro dong.

    http://www.13newsnow.com/article/news/local/body-of-missing-middlesex-mother-found-man-arrested/291-524447197

    Blacks are more muscular and more aggressive and pose a grave threat to white manhood and white safety, but UK keeps taking in more blacks who act like this. And among British elites, there is the agenda to turn Anglo-Saxons into Junglo-Saxons because whites worship blacks as athletes and singers.

    https://www.facebook.com/karen.street3/posts/10213865494609988

    Commenter @Whiskey by any other name is still @Whiskey. Sock puppet much? Unz needs a Sock Puppet tag to go along with the Troll tag.

    Explain how your dumbass theory aligns with the fact that Icelandic men have won the World Strongman Competition basically forever. Or powerlifting events.

    http://theworldsstrongestman.com/athletes/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_championships_medalists_in_powerlifting_(men)

    Peddle your negro strength crap under your own name so my “ignore” feature works. Negroes excel at two things, distance running and sprinting/jumping.

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  124. @jacques sheete

    Are you that insane?
     
    Probably. I am, after all, a 'Merkin citizen.

    Which would prevent white men and white women from having children.
     
    Which is the idea! You got it, by Jove! 2 gold stars for you!

    You, sir, are a fascist.
     
    An insane one, even. And you are an ignoramus. At least I have the ability to advance; you, on the other hand...

    BTW, I think governments should be unarmed. Can you specify what kind of insane fascist that'd be?

    Brother, use the “ignore” feature. He’s a Troll.

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  125. @Sean
    Do even SEAL team members act with real courage of the sort movie cops always do? I would say courage is to act opposing the influence of your selfish genetic programming, but in accordance with your principles irrespective of the personal costs and consequences while the balance of your mind is undisturbed. If you look at the most decorated infantry soldier of every era, they almost all had serious problems with alcohol. As late as WW1 they were officially issued with courage of the Dutch variety, Now transcranial stimulators that silence one’s inner naysayer are being researched by the US army to make soldiers fight better. Yuval Noah Harari’s Homo Deus quotes a female journalist who tried a first person shooter simulation and she was useless and unfocused, but with the aid of the trans-cranial simulator helmet, she was in the zone and became the Terminator. It would take a very special person to enter a building where an AR15 was being used to kill people knowing that the killer would shoot at anything that moved but you will be taking a split second to check what you are firing at.

    Audie Murphy

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  126. Corvinus says:
    @jacques sheete

    Are you that insane?
     
    Probably. I am, after all, a 'Merkin citizen.

    Which would prevent white men and white women from having children.
     
    Which is the idea! You got it, by Jove! 2 gold stars for you!

    You, sir, are a fascist.
     
    An insane one, even. And you are an ignoramus. At least I have the ability to advance; you, on the other hand...

    BTW, I think governments should be unarmed. Can you specify what kind of insane fascist that'd be?

    “At least I have the ability to advance; you, on the other hand…”

    That’s more Fake News on your part.

    “BTW, I think governments should be unarmed.

    You can think that all you want. But it is other than realistic and practical on your part.

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  127. Corvinus says:
    @Stan d Mute
    I cite Pew and you cite CSMonitor?

    Troll.

    And now, using the magic of “permanently ignore this commenter” - Voila! No more Troll (for me at least)..

    “I cite Pew and you cite CSMonitor? Troll.”

    You have to prove that those statistics are other than accurate. In other words, you have to some intellectually heavy lifting here, rather than lazily dismissing a source outright. But that is your standard operating procedure.

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  128. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter
    You present some promising proposals.

    Many 25-year-olds today lack the responsibilities, life experience, and maturity that most 18-year-olds used to have.

    At age 25, huge numbers of American "men" and "women" aren't married or close to it, they're not raising children, and they've never even handled or fired a gun let alone been trained in defending innocent lives with a gun.

    Many of them are accustomed to having "upsetting" contrary viewpoints and questions shut down by intimidation, including now physical intimidation and threats in addition to social ostracism and career destruction -- rather than engaging in argument without flipping out or hysterically calling names.

    If they work during their many years in school, they rarely earn enough in a year to pay federal income tax, so they have no idea what actual taxpayers are contending with. On the contrary, they could end up receiving free money from the rest of us through the "Earned [sic] Income Tax Credit." That credit is "refundable", which in the Orwellian language of government means that lower earners "get back" money that they never paid in the first place.

    So yes, a voting age of 25 would be a good idea in today's pathetic America. But I don't see even a 21 voting age getting restored anytime soon. Maybe in one of the entities that forms as the USA falls apart (God help us all).

    “Many 25-year-olds today lack the responsibilities, life experience, and maturity that most 18-year-olds used to have.”

    It never ceases to amaze how SJW’s and those on the Alt Right make overblown generalizations and pass them off as “truth” or “fact”. While you are entitled to your opinion, realize it is an outlier. Offer specific proof

    “At age 25, huge numbers of American “men” and “women” aren’t married or close to it, they’re not raising children…

    Which could mean that this group is decidedly mature because they realize they are not yet where they want to be in order to tie the knot and/or raise offspring. Being mature does not mean one has to be in your required condition at a particular age.

    “and they’ve never even handled or fired a gun let alone been trained in defending innocent lives with a gun.”

    Please educate yourself on this matter.

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/young-guns-millennials-may-be-moving-toward-greater-gun-ownership/2244136

    “Many of them are accustomed to having “upsetting” contrary viewpoints and questions shut down by intimidation, including now physical intimidation and threats in addition to social ostracism and career destruction — rather than engaging in argument without flipping out or hysterically calling names.”

    In reality, the young people of today are quite skilled at having productive arguments.

    “If they work during their many years in school, they rarely earn enough in a year to pay federal income tax, so they have no idea what actual taxpayers are contending with.”

    It’s called being a learned person. They are definitively exposed to what taxpayers experience, whether it be how it affects government or impacts the economy.

    “So yes, a voting age of 25 would be a good idea in today’s pathetic America. But I don’t see even a 21 voting age getting restored anytime soon.”

    Which means it is a moot point. Why belabor it?

    “Military personnel, active or retired, combat or civilian, must be barred from voting too.”

    Again, this proposal is going no where. Why even bring it up?

    “Maybe in one of the entities that forms as the USA falls apart (God help us all).”

    You are dreaming.

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    “Military personnel, active or retired, combat or civilian, must be barred from voting too.”
     
    Again, this proposal is going no where. Why even bring it up?
     
    Your comments are neither enlightening nor convincing, nor particularly informing, so why make them?

    BTW, no one on the federal dole should be allowed to vote and that includes government contractors and recipients of subsidies, special treatment, or bailout cash and their employees.
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  129. @Stan d Mute

    Doubtless that’s part of it, plus they really are dense. By choice, maybe, or denial, but true nonetheless.
     
    I don’t know your profession and can only speak to my own which has involved speaking to thousands of successful men (almost entirely men and almost entirely white) ranging from engineers, factory managers, property managers, contractors, and owners of many types of businesses from engineering firms to manufacturing to data processing/storage, etc.

    Overwhelmingly I’ve found reticence on non-PC subjects, but realism once they realize I’m sympathetic. Now, again, these are ALL men for whom facts, data, hard pragmatism rules the day and its in perhaps the whitest profession in existence. I recall being completely shocked once when after a meeting I was alone with one guy who expressed outrage that everyone there was chatting about shooting sports (clays if I recall) and thought guns horrible/scary. After decades in my business he was the first ever. Incidentally - he was a Parkland resident and this was several years before the recent tragedy.

    The groups I’m familiar with are lawyers, engineers, “academics,” teachers, bankers, accountants, health care personnel such as nurses, pharmacists, physicians, veterinarians, with some business owners in the mix, and it sounds as if our impressions are miles apart. Our family is also heavy into those things and almost all have married similar professionals, so I know many intimately.

    Like I said, they are unquestionably bright people in their fields. Because of that, they think their opinions on everything are gold plated, and their attitudes are fixed. If I were a depressive sort, I’d probably need medication if not institutionalization as a result of coming to know what their attitudes are and why.

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    Ok, so apples:oranges really insofar as the types of people. My business associates have always been of the type who manufacture things, build buildings, engineer things, etc. Jobs where failure can often equal fatalities and point of failure easily pinpointed. A very far cry from jobs where failure is often excused or passed off. That I suspect is the critical difference. The lack of diversity in my field probably helps too - well over 90% white yet having to design/build around the failures of diversity. Plus my guys are far from the spotlights, nobody notices who really makes our world work properly.

    Having been raised by a doctor, however, my experience is they are supremely guarded in expressing truth of HBD type reality, but they know it’s true and they hate that they know. I’d guess criminal lawyers are also in that group where reality is in their face daily and they have to deny it or starve.
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  130. Wally says:
    @Stan d Mute
    I cite Pew and you cite CSMonitor?

    Troll.

    And now, using the magic of “permanently ignore this commenter” - Voila! No more Troll (for me at least)..
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  131. @redmudhooch
    They propose not letting folks buy guns until they're 21.

    I will propose not letting folks vote till they're at least 30.

    I'm surprised they're not demanding letting these 13 year olds vote yet. Its coming...

    30 would be better. The peak age for armed murder is 27 in the US.

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    No one gets murdered where I live. Unless they deserve it. And usually a car or knife or perhaps even an axe would do the trick.
    , @RadicalCenter
    And the peak RACE for unlawful homocide by firearm?
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  132. @Stan d Mute

    Police forces are essentially standing armies.
     
    I believe that’s why we had Sheriffs who could temporarily Deputize civilians and deactivate them after they apprehended the criminal. But I can see where that might become unworkable perhaps in a metropolis. And of course with diversity it’s an impossibility.

    Another fine example:

    The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed. -Alexander Hamilton
     

    Stan d, thanks for your comments, but the quotes you’ve provided don’t sound like the Madison and Hamilton that I know!

    Both were statists as you undoubtedly know, and are not among my favorites. But then, even Thomas Paine was in favor of the Constitution! Arrrrrgggghhh!

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    the quotes you’ve provided don’t sound like the Madison and Hamilton that I know!
     
    Statist then does not equal statist today. And didn’t Hamilton settle his disagreements with Burr with a gun?
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  133. @Corvinus
    "Many 25-year-olds today lack the responsibilities, life experience, and maturity that most 18-year-olds used to have."

    It never ceases to amaze how SJW's and those on the Alt Right make overblown generalizations and pass them off as "truth" or "fact". While you are entitled to your opinion, realize it is an outlier. Offer specific proof

    "At age 25, huge numbers of American “men” and “women” aren’t married or close to it, they’re not raising children...

    Which could mean that this group is decidedly mature because they realize they are not yet where they want to be in order to tie the knot and/or raise offspring. Being mature does not mean one has to be in your required condition at a particular age.

    "and they’ve never even handled or fired a gun let alone been trained in defending innocent lives with a gun."

    Please educate yourself on this matter.

    http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/young-guns-millennials-may-be-moving-toward-greater-gun-ownership/2244136

    "Many of them are accustomed to having “upsetting” contrary viewpoints and questions shut down by intimidation, including now physical intimidation and threats in addition to social ostracism and career destruction — rather than engaging in argument without flipping out or hysterically calling names."

    In reality, the young people of today are quite skilled at having productive arguments.

    "If they work during their many years in school, they rarely earn enough in a year to pay federal income tax, so they have no idea what actual taxpayers are contending with."

    It's called being a learned person. They are definitively exposed to what taxpayers experience, whether it be how it affects government or impacts the economy.

    "So yes, a voting age of 25 would be a good idea in today’s pathetic America. But I don’t see even a 21 voting age getting restored anytime soon."

    Which means it is a moot point. Why belabor it?

    "Military personnel, active or retired, combat or civilian, must be barred from voting too."

    Again, this proposal is going no where. Why even bring it up?

    "Maybe in one of the entities that forms as the USA falls apart (God help us all)."

    You are dreaming.

    “Military personnel, active or retired, combat or civilian, must be barred from voting too.”

    Again, this proposal is going no where. Why even bring it up?

    Your comments are neither enlightening nor convincing, nor particularly informing, so why make them?

    BTW, no one on the federal dole should be allowed to vote and that includes government contractors and recipients of subsidies, special treatment, or bailout cash and their employees.

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    My comments are much more predicated upon reality rather than your pie in the sky notions that, in the end, will not gain full-fledged support from whites.

    You stink of "look at me, I'm different" which is classic SJW behavior.
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  134. Biff says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome
    Ban overseas adoption!

    Ban overseas adoption!

    Why?

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    Mystery meat. But it isn’t just overseas adoption. You never know what your getting in adoption because of sealed records and adoption agency deceptions.
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  135. Ban overseas adoption!

    Why?

    Biff probably meant “war” instead of “adoption.”

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    Biff probably meant “war” instead of “adoption.”
     
    “Don’t mention the war”

    Fawlty Towers
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  136. Wheres all the outrage and protests over the kids being murdered in Palestine? Wheres the outrage over the ethnic cleansing and slaughter of children in Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq?
    Wheres the protests over the young people now being sold in open slave markets in Libya?
    How about some empathy for all the kids starving in Somalia, Yemen?
    Wheres the protests calling for an end to the American “freedom and democracy” program that has brought nothing but misery to the world and America?
    Why isn’t the MSM all over this madness? Oh, thats right, it just doesn’t fit the bankster cabal, international corporation and military industrial complex agenda, that the MSM is the mouthpiece for, congress and the white house are prostitutes for.
    Wheres the criticizim of Israel and their daily dose of genocide and hatred of all things?
    Its all bull$h!t. No one in the MSM or DC wants to talk about the real issues plaguing the world and dragging humanity into the abyss because they’re all complicit. They’re all part of the real problem.
    Wall St. International bankers, corporations, MIC, AIPAC, Media monopolies, foreign lobbies, CIA/Mossad drug cartels, organized crime, the swamp is deep. The world will never have peace as long as these money/power/control worshiping psychopaths are calling the shots, controlling the military.
    They did 9/11 too.

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  137. @Philip Owen
    30 would be better. The peak age for armed murder is 27 in the US.

    No one gets murdered where I live. Unless they deserve it. And usually a car or knife or perhaps even an axe would do the trick.

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  138. @Stan d Mute

    My opinion is that no person should be allowed to purchase a weapon unless she or he is married with at least one child. Only at that point the person reaches real maturity.
     
    You do realize that in the real America, tens of millions of firearms are passed from father to son often when sons are in grade school? And that this has been going on since we were still Colonies? Remarkably, these are NEVER the guns used in mass killings...

    I wonder why?

    Lots of city folks don’t realize that kids in the South/rural country grow up around guns, hunt with their family. I got my first shotgun at age 10 or so, was shooting them as soon as I could safely hold one.
    The society that “the chosen ones” and their traitor zio puppets have created, is the root of all “problems”
    Nobody gets murdered where I’m from, rarely hear of any violence or rape, all that good stuff that plagues the liberal cities. Its no accident, thats what the powers that be want. They allow it all to happen.
    Thats assuming that its not just another false flag, which I strongly suspect it is. They’re still lying about 9/11, just go look at all the evidence for yourself. Those building were rigged with explosives, only people on the inside could have done it..
    CIA/Mossad/MIC/Banksters, the criminal cabal, they’re all involved. Its pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that the devil himself has taken hold of America.
    by the way I live in the deep south and don’t know many people that are “christian Zionists”
    People see the way they’re treating the Palestinian Christians, how many Iraqi/Syrian Christians have been killed or displaced from their homes by Israel, the support of Israel is pretty much gone where I live.

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    You say:

    "Its pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that the devil himself has taken hold of America.
    by the way I live in the deep south and don’t know many people that are “christian Zionists”
    People see the way they’re treating the Palestinian Christians, how many Iraqi/Syrian Christians have been killed or displaced from their homes by Israel, the support of Israel is pretty much gone where I live."
     
    Is that really true? Wow that is quite an accomplishment. These are the kind of communities that are always on the forefront, fighting for the faux "war for Freedom and Democracy" that the zios are currently waging in Syria and Ukraine, killing and getting killed for the devil! If this spreads, which I really pray it does, it will give a body blow to the talmudics running the show from quaint (but devilish to it's rotten core) DC!
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  139. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous
    Mind you, this is a relatively well-ranked school—#50 in Florida.

    https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/florida/rankings

    1. That’s public schools. Few capable or privileged students attend those.
    2. #50 isn’t very high. Quality falls off fast after the first dozen or two.
    3. It’s Florida. Not exactly a hotbed of intellectualism.

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    It’s Florida. Not exactly a hotbed of intellectualism
     
    Florida has been aptly called "a California without ideas".

    But then, considering some of California's ideas, maybe that's not as bad as it sounds.

    Florida is also bizarrely flat. Rhode Island and Delaware, Belgium, Denmark, and the Netherlands all have higher hills. So do Long Island, Staten Island, Isle Royale, and Prince Edward Island.
    , @jacques sheete

    3. It’s Florida. Not exactly a hotbed of intellectualism.
     
    So true.

    One would guess the opposite given the fact that the East Coast, at least, densely populated as it is by hordes of purportedly "high IQ" refugees from NYC, could be easily mistaken for Israel West.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Millions of capable students from non-impoverished families attend government ("public") schools around the country (though perhaps not much here in Los Angeles). Otherwise in agreement, Anon.
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  140. Corvinus says:
    @jacques sheete


    “Military personnel, active or retired, combat or civilian, must be barred from voting too.”
     
    Again, this proposal is going no where. Why even bring it up?
     
    Your comments are neither enlightening nor convincing, nor particularly informing, so why make them?

    BTW, no one on the federal dole should be allowed to vote and that includes government contractors and recipients of subsidies, special treatment, or bailout cash and their employees.

    My comments are much more predicated upon reality rather than your pie in the sky notions that, in the end, will not gain full-fledged support from whites.

    You stink of “look at me, I’m different” which is classic SJW behavior.

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    You stink of “look at me, I’m different” which is classic SJW behavior.
     
    You mean like this?

    My comments are much more predicated upon reality rather than your pie in the sky notions...blah, blah, blah...

     

    May I suggest that the smell could improve if you removed your cranium from your rectum? Heretofore I always thought that the Corvidae were a particularly clever family of birds; live and learn, I guess.

    PS: Do you even know the meaning of the word, "fascism"? Hint: If you're living in the USA, your living under a de facto fascist system.


    Now, kindly direct your trolling elsewhere; you're not good at it and you're boring, Even a retarded jackdaw could do better.

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  141. Is it only me or is anyone noticing that thankfully Ms. Mercer is now more and more openly aghast at the so called “neo-conservatives” that have nothing in common with real conservatives except that they use the naivete of the bible thumpers in the deep south to scout for young meat to be used as cannon fodder for their wars which Ms. Mercer you must agree is not so re-creational for the hapless people it is levelled against be they in the ME or Eastern Europe or anywhere for that matter. That false preacher John “hungry mouth” hagee a paid shill coming in handy!

    This DESPITE the known fact that most of the neo-cons are zionist Jews (I mean the Talmudic kind not the Torah kind). Hence by some logic, her brethren.

    Commendable Ms. Mercer. Finally it is good for you to join the ranks of patriotic Jews like our editor Mr. Unz himself on this great site. Yes there are many of her views which I differ with but nonetheless that is only human. But it is good to see Ms. Mercer seeing and recognizing who the real “enemies of the nation” are. They are not only enemies to this nation but to humanity in general and I’m sure they’ve prepped themselves with bunkers and the likes in some far off place like NZ or Chile, for the coming “Armageddon” which they just can’t help precipitate that much earlier.

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    Is it only me or is anyone noticing that thankfully Ms. Mercer is now more and more openly aghast at the so called “neo-conservatives” that have nothing in common with real conservatives except that they use the naivete of the bible thumpers ...
     
    I hope you're correct, but I ignore most of her atavistic garbage, so I, for one, really wouldn't know.

    I have to agree that this piece is full of some pretty good stuff.
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  142. @redmudhooch
    Lots of city folks don't realize that kids in the South/rural country grow up around guns, hunt with their family. I got my first shotgun at age 10 or so, was shooting them as soon as I could safely hold one.
    The society that "the chosen ones" and their traitor zio puppets have created, is the root of all "problems"
    Nobody gets murdered where I'm from, rarely hear of any violence or rape, all that good stuff that plagues the liberal cities. Its no accident, thats what the powers that be want. They allow it all to happen.
    Thats assuming that its not just another false flag, which I strongly suspect it is. They're still lying about 9/11, just go look at all the evidence for yourself. Those building were rigged with explosives, only people on the inside could have done it..
    CIA/Mossad/MIC/Banksters, the criminal cabal, they're all involved. Its pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that the devil himself has taken hold of America.
    by the way I live in the deep south and don't know many people that are "christian Zionists"
    People see the way they're treating the Palestinian Christians, how many Iraqi/Syrian Christians have been killed or displaced from their homes by Israel, the support of Israel is pretty much gone where I live.

    You say:

    “Its pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that the devil himself has taken hold of America.
    by the way I live in the deep south and don’t know many people that are “christian Zionists”
    People see the way they’re treating the Palestinian Christians, how many Iraqi/Syrian Christians have been killed or displaced from their homes by Israel, the support of Israel is pretty much gone where I live.”

    Is that really true? Wow that is quite an accomplishment. These are the kind of communities that are always on the forefront, fighting for the faux “war for Freedom and Democracy” that the zios are currently waging in Syria and Ukraine, killing and getting killed for the devil! If this spreads, which I really pray it does, it will give a body blow to the talmudics running the show from quaint (but devilish to it’s rotten core) DC!

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  143. @anoN
    Whose fault? Parents? Teachers? PC? Pop Culture?

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DV6fUmSUMAA7yzZ.jpg

    Man I’d rather be trapped in my closet (NOOOO..not the homo kind ;) ) than approach someone like her (I am assuming this specimen here is an “her” :D ) except with a foot long stick (again not the meaty one) to ward her off me in case she tries to get too “friendly”!!

    Geez the “west” is now beyond sanity and this is the “Freedom” that they want to bring to the “lesser world” by way of MOABs!! Brilliant! Luckily I left the mad house sometime ago never ever to return

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    Luckily I left the mad house sometime ago never ever to return
     
    Glad you could pull it off. I'd do the same if I could convince family to come along.

    This country is one pathetic (bleep) hole, and getting progressively irredeemable thanks largely to the Izzy first fanatics and their stupid goy (bleep ) buddies.
    , @RadicalCenter
    May I ask (roughly) where you settled after the USA?
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  144. @Dr. Doom
    Yeah seeing little kids being told by teachers to boycott the Bill of Rights warms my heart.

    Try raising taxes for more school funds next year NEA!

    The Declaration of Independence of 1776 declared three unalienable rights of “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” which arguably trump (sic) the second amendment of 1778 which reads:

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”.

    A “well-regulated militia” is far from the bastardised right to carry weapons around for no other reason than the carriers like them and are in fear, or see themselves as empowered by it.

    To rip into the children who see their right to “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” as paramount and to smear them as “leftists”, “liberals” and “Against the Constitution”, before they even attain a reasoning age to choose a political bent, is certainly pathetic but also indicative of how distant the Constitution and its worthy ideas have become from the debate.

    What is missing is the reasoned consideration of why do school mass murders of even very young students happen so often in so many parts of the US (and other countries as well). Why would those who feel resentment or aggression or want to make a mark of their otherwise hopeless existences choose to do it by killing school children (and teachers).

    There must be at least two undeniable factors:-

    1. Weapons are easy to buy or otherwise get.
    2. School children are considered innocents and to harm them is spectacular, vile, unheard of and appalling.

    So how to reduce the incidence of these massacres? Either the availability of deadly weapons needs to be curtailed or the reasons why cretins who get guns attack the innocents needs to be analysed and counteracted in an effective way.

    The first solution is hard. The second solution is impossible.

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    Do you really think we should take away all dangerous weapons? Weapons like knives, matches and gasoline? Baseball bats, too? What about sharp sticks? The problem is the prescription and illegal drugs these youngsters, and adults, are taking. An arsonist can do as much, or more, than a gunman. Keep that in mind if you want to "protect" the children.
    , @Jonathan Mason

    A “well-regulated militia” is far from the bastardised right to carry weapons around for no other reason than the carriers like them and are in fear, or see themselves as empowered by it.
     
    Precisely. I for one would be in favor of a few modest improvements to make it harder for disturbed young people to get firearms, but if the Second Amendment makes that impossible, then I say let's go for repeal of the Second Amendment altogether, and let the States make their own laws about guns. Some states will ban them altogether, for example those that want to attract tourists, and others will make it mandatory for each kindergarten child to bring their own concealed weapon and gun lovers will flock to those states.

    People will be free to live in whatever State they want, everyone will be happy with the situation, and all the other amendments will have to be renumbered.

    So, if you are in favor of State's rights, vote to repeal the Second so as to protect your gun rights!
    , @Twodees Partain
    "Either the availability of deadly weapons needs to be curtailed or the reasons why cretins who get guns attack the innocents needs to be analysed and counteracted in an effective way."

    The one most obvious solution is to abolish government schools. Of course, that doesn't even occur to a government worshiping libtard of either party. You haven't listed a single solution. BTW, what does "analysed" mean? It sounds like sexual abuse.
    , @anarchyst
    You are wrong. It is the failed concept of "gun free zones" in which there is no means allowed to resist a person (criminal) bent on doing harm.
    Good examples of this include the movie theater that was shot up; the gunman bypassed two closer movie theaters as they allowed "concealed carry". He shot up a movie theater that proudly stated "no firearms allowed".
    Ever wonder why police stations or gun shows and stores are never attacked.
    Common sense dictates that legally armed people CAN stop slaughters of innocent citizens.
    We guard our banks and money with people with guns
    We guard our politicians, public figures, and celebrities with people with guns
    We guard our government facilities and other valuable facilities with people with guns
    We guard our children with "gun free zone" signs

    What's wrong with this picture?
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  145. Kingfelix says:

    ” There’s an active shooter in school. What do you do? Reach for legislation? Remind the frenetically active shooter that he is flouting the legislation? Not quite.”

    This wilfully mischaracterizes the sentiment of the teacher. Mercer, it’s unlikely to ever occur, but you badly need an infusion of… good faith.

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  146. Rich says:
    @Not_one_of_You
    The Declaration of Independence of 1776 declared three unalienable rights of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" which arguably trump (sic) the second amendment of 1778 which reads:

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

    A "well-regulated militia" is far from the bastardised right to carry weapons around for no other reason than the carriers like them and are in fear, or see themselves as empowered by it.

    To rip into the children who see their right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as paramount and to smear them as "leftists", "liberals" and "Against the Constitution", before they even attain a reasoning age to choose a political bent, is certainly pathetic but also indicative of how distant the Constitution and its worthy ideas have become from the debate.

    What is missing is the reasoned consideration of why do school mass murders of even very young students happen so often in so many parts of the US (and other countries as well). Why would those who feel resentment or aggression or want to make a mark of their otherwise hopeless existences choose to do it by killing school children (and teachers).

    There must be at least two undeniable factors:-

    1. Weapons are easy to buy or otherwise get.
    2. School children are considered innocents and to harm them is spectacular, vile, unheard of and appalling.

    So how to reduce the incidence of these massacres? Either the availability of deadly weapons needs to be curtailed or the reasons why cretins who get guns attack the innocents needs to be analysed and counteracted in an effective way.

    The first solution is hard. The second solution is impossible.

    Do you really think we should take away all dangerous weapons? Weapons like knives, matches and gasoline? Baseball bats, too? What about sharp sticks? The problem is the prescription and illegal drugs these youngsters, and adults, are taking. An arsonist can do as much, or more, than a gunman. Keep that in mind if you want to “protect” the children.

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    Rich,

    Straw man arguments are best left to the feminist harpies of the Me Too movement. Movements which adopt a title ending in "...ism" all tend to resemble Stalinism soon enough.

    I never once mentioned knives, matches, gasoline, baseball bat, sharp sticks, etc and I never mentioned prescription drugs, illegal drugs, etc
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  147. @Anonymous
    1. That's public schools. Few capable or privileged students attend those.
    2. #50 isn't very high. Quality falls off fast after the first dozen or two.
    3. It's Florida. Not exactly a hotbed of intellectualism.

    It’s Florida. Not exactly a hotbed of intellectualism

    Florida has been aptly called “a California without ideas”.

    But then, considering some of California’s ideas, maybe that’s not as bad as it sounds.

    Florida is also bizarrely flat. Rhode Island and Delaware, Belgium, Denmark, and the Netherlands all have higher hills. So do Long Island, Staten Island, Isle Royale, and Prince Edward Island.

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  148. @Rich
    Do you really think we should take away all dangerous weapons? Weapons like knives, matches and gasoline? Baseball bats, too? What about sharp sticks? The problem is the prescription and illegal drugs these youngsters, and adults, are taking. An arsonist can do as much, or more, than a gunman. Keep that in mind if you want to "protect" the children.

    Rich,

    Straw man arguments are best left to the feminist harpies of the Me Too movement. Movements which adopt a title ending in “…ism” all tend to resemble Stalinism soon enough.

    I never once mentioned knives, matches, gasoline, baseball bat, sharp sticks, etc and I never mentioned prescription drugs, illegal drugs, etc

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    I'm not sure you understand what a "straw man argument" is, but you did miss my point completely. The availability of weapons isn't going to stop someone who is determined to damage.

    And you're right, you didn't mention knives, matches, gasoline, bats, sharp sticks, etc., I did, so I'll give you a couple points for noticing who mentioned them. In case you're interested, that was because of your implication that we should make it more difficult to get guns to prevent madmen from committing mayhem. Mayhem can easily be committed with a slew of things other than guns.
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  149. Biff says:
    @jacques sheete


    Ban overseas adoption!
     
    Why?
     
    Biff probably meant "war" instead of "adoption."

    Biff probably meant “war” instead of “adoption.”

    “Don’t mention the war”

    Fawlty Towers

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    Fawlty Towers
     
    I'm not into popular entertainment, so you've rendered me completely clueless. Never heard of it til I googled it and am not about to investigate further. Sorry.
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  150. Vojkan says:
    @jacques sheete

    NO! The first job is to protect the public….period.
     
    If only. The concept exists mainly in our dreams, and people would do well to understand that government is a protection racket and that bureaucrats are mostly sadists.

    Here's a much more informative article on the subject.:

    Florida School Massacre Proves Police Are Worthless In Protecting Us

    ... police officers have NO OBLIGATION to protect the American citizenry

    “Why do we have more than a million cops on the taxpayer-funded payroll in this country whose jobs do not entail protecting our safety, maintaining the peace in our communities, and upholding our liberties?

    … “I’ll tell you why.

    “This is no longer* a government ‘of the people, by the people, for the people.’

    “It is fast becoming a government ‘of the rich, by the elite, for the corporations,’ and its rise to power is predicated on shackling the American taxpayer to a life of indentured servitude.

    “Cops in America may get paid by the citizenry, but they don’t work for us.

    “They don’t answer to us. They’re not loyal to us.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/03/chuck-baldwin/florida-school-massacre-proves-police-are-worthless-in-protecting-us/
     
    *The author makes an error here. He should have written that it never was a government of, for and by the people.

    After reading the linked article, I think the whole thing stinks “false flag” to high heavens, again. I wonder how many false flags the Americans have to endure until they finally wake up, or will that not happen until they eventually find themselves in a full-fledged Eurasia type dictatorship?

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    Yes, the whole thing ticks all the boxes for a false flag:

    an "active shooter" drill being conducted at the time of the shooting, conflicting reports indicating more than one shooter, an impossible scenario foisted on the TV watching public within minutes including the identity of the perp, crisis actors on the news immediately following the report of the incident, and now....TA DAH!!!, the proposal to tear down the school.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/marjory-stoneman-douglas-high-school-freshman-building-torn-down-after-shooting-2018-2
    , @jacques sheete

    After reading the linked article, I think the whole thing stinks “false flag” to high heavens, again.
     
    I wouldn't be a bit surprised and naturally suspect your claim is true.

    There's so much garbage extant, that I've lost the desire to investigate every detail. I've learned to just assume that everything some "authority" tells me is BS until proven otherwise.

    The advantage I see in these thing is that they can provide opportunities to share ideas and expose and challenge the goofy ones. The downside is that by sharing ideas we expose ourselves to one degree or another, but that's just part of the price we pay for living in a lunatic asylum run by the craziest of the crazies, as I'm sure you already know
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  151. @Not_one_of_You
    The Declaration of Independence of 1776 declared three unalienable rights of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" which arguably trump (sic) the second amendment of 1778 which reads:

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

    A "well-regulated militia" is far from the bastardised right to carry weapons around for no other reason than the carriers like them and are in fear, or see themselves as empowered by it.

    To rip into the children who see their right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as paramount and to smear them as "leftists", "liberals" and "Against the Constitution", before they even attain a reasoning age to choose a political bent, is certainly pathetic but also indicative of how distant the Constitution and its worthy ideas have become from the debate.

    What is missing is the reasoned consideration of why do school mass murders of even very young students happen so often in so many parts of the US (and other countries as well). Why would those who feel resentment or aggression or want to make a mark of their otherwise hopeless existences choose to do it by killing school children (and teachers).

    There must be at least two undeniable factors:-

    1. Weapons are easy to buy or otherwise get.
    2. School children are considered innocents and to harm them is spectacular, vile, unheard of and appalling.

    So how to reduce the incidence of these massacres? Either the availability of deadly weapons needs to be curtailed or the reasons why cretins who get guns attack the innocents needs to be analysed and counteracted in an effective way.

    The first solution is hard. The second solution is impossible.

    A “well-regulated militia” is far from the bastardised right to carry weapons around for no other reason than the carriers like them and are in fear, or see themselves as empowered by it.

    Precisely. I for one would be in favor of a few modest improvements to make it harder for disturbed young people to get firearms, but if the Second Amendment makes that impossible, then I say let’s go for repeal of the Second Amendment altogether, and let the States make their own laws about guns. Some states will ban them altogether, for example those that want to attract tourists, and others will make it mandatory for each kindergarten child to bring their own concealed weapon and gun lovers will flock to those states.

    People will be free to live in whatever State they want, everyone will be happy with the situation, and all the other amendments will have to be renumbered.

    So, if you are in favor of State’s rights, vote to repeal the Second so as to protect your gun rights!

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    You need to learn more about the U S Constitution. Even without the Second Amendment in the "Bill of Rights", the right to keep and bear arms is an inherent right. In fact, some of he framers of the Constitution saw no need for "enumerated rights" as the rights spelled out in the Bill of Rights were understood to be "natural rights, endowed by our Creator", and as such were non-negotiable. The Bill of Rights was written to make it understood that these rights are inherent in nature and on being born human.
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  152. @jacques sheete

    ... if [Trump] does chime in, it’ll be on the side of his fellow NYC democrats.
     
    You got dat right. Unsurprisingly, that moron gets more disgusting by the day. (Hillary would have been worse, if possible.)

    'Take the guns first': Senators were blown away by Trump's blatant dismissal of due process on guns

    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-gun-control-due-process-confiscation-comments-2018-2

     

    A belligerent numbskull like Trump with his grubby mitts all over a vast array of weapons is the first among those whose guns need confiscation. What sane person would trust that infant with so much as a pocket knife?

    Yes, that little gaffe made me hope that there’s some truth to the description of a president in one of Kurt Vonnegut Jr.’s novels : that the prez has no real power. He’s like a baby in a car seat with a little steering wheel to keep him entertained.

    In the case of Trump, we’d better hope that the ninnies he’s surrounded himself with are at least a little smarter than he is.

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    He’s like a baby in a car seat with a little steering wheel to keep him entertained.
     
    I like that!

    I hope some adult steps up and changes his diaper soon since it's obvious it's full, and it smells.

    As for Hillary, she needs a diaper over her head.
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  153. @Covergirl
    Hahahahahah!

    Wow, you have the balls to even speak such twaddle. You really should look into a getting a rectal-craniotomy. Counseling at least. This is one of the most deranged pieces of drivel I've yet encountered - and that's saying alot considering Ann Coulter still lives.

    Aw, look. Another little communist troll toddles out into the ring. You’re so cute that I could just pinch your little head off.

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  154. @jacques sheete

    Thank goodness a non-stop diet of cable war documentaries remilitarized the American public.
     
    Many of my relatives fought in "da big ones" and we saw plenty of Cronkite's glorification of militarism and out of control government, "The Twentieth Century." We thought it was great stuff, but looking back on it, it was sickening.

    Never again.

    I remember those Sunday afternoon shows on TV that kept beating the drums for more war. They bored the shit out of me so I was usually out on the porch with those of my uncles who had been infantry and armored draftees during the Big One.

    They didn’t care for those shows any more than I did.

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    They didn’t care for those shows any more than I did.
     
    I "envy" the Hell outta you for that. I had to unlearn cartloads of manure, which I learned not only at home but in schools, both public and private. I've learned that it's all manure.

    It's also among the reasons I've never allowed a TV in my house to this day, and view radios as maybe good for weather reports if at all.
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  155. @Chris Mallory

    If anything has been affirmed by the heartbreaking murder of 17 people, it is that teens should not own guns. Even a cerebrally compromised biology teacher at a progressive school would surely second that, in individuals so young, the capacity for higher-level abstraction and advanced reasoning is not fully developed.
     
    No thanks. You are more than welcome to push this policy in South Africa or Israel, but it does not belong in the US.

    I owned both a rifle and a shotgun at the age of 12. My 12 year old daughter owns a rifle, a shotgun and a handgun. It is our birthright and an immigrant is not going to take it away.

    Fuckin’ A.

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  156. @The Alarmist
    Bring back the draft. Make draft age 35. No deferments. No exceptions. If you cannot fight or will not fight, you clean bedpans in the old folks homes and hospitals or pick crops in fields. Two years minimum national service from people with real-life experience and skin in the game.

    See how many wars we will fight. See how many fewer immigrant laborers we will need.

    I like Jim Northrup’s idea: no war can be waged until the last veteran of the previous war has died from old age.

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    That reminds me of 2 other old war vets with similar ideas.

    Aussie WWI veteran Claude Choules, who died in 2011 at the age of 110, chose not to celebrate the Armistice or other veterans' days.


    ...despite his military record, he became a pacifist. He was known to have disagreed with the celebration of Australia's most important war memorial holiday, Anzac Day, and refused to march in the annual commemoration parades.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-13289607
     


    Harry Patch, [Brit combat wounded vet (WW1)] who has died aged 111…had always felt, he wrote in The Last Fighting Tommy, that "politicians who took us to war should have been given the guns and told to settle their differences themselves, instead of organising nothing better than legalised mass murder".

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jul/25/harry-patch-obituary
     

    , @jacques sheete

    I like Jim Northrup’s idea: no war can be waged until the last veteran of the previous war has died from old age.
     
    I like both his expressed idea and the fact that you've introduced me to a man I never heard of but seems well worth listening to.

    Looks like I've got some more reading to do.


    His books included “Walking the Rez Road” (1993) and “Rez Road Follies: Canoes, Casinos, Computers and Birch Bark Baskets” (1997).

    In her introduction to “Anishinaabe Syndicated,”
     

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  157. @Not_one_of_You
    The Declaration of Independence of 1776 declared three unalienable rights of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" which arguably trump (sic) the second amendment of 1778 which reads:

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

    A "well-regulated militia" is far from the bastardised right to carry weapons around for no other reason than the carriers like them and are in fear, or see themselves as empowered by it.

    To rip into the children who see their right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as paramount and to smear them as "leftists", "liberals" and "Against the Constitution", before they even attain a reasoning age to choose a political bent, is certainly pathetic but also indicative of how distant the Constitution and its worthy ideas have become from the debate.

    What is missing is the reasoned consideration of why do school mass murders of even very young students happen so often in so many parts of the US (and other countries as well). Why would those who feel resentment or aggression or want to make a mark of their otherwise hopeless existences choose to do it by killing school children (and teachers).

    There must be at least two undeniable factors:-

    1. Weapons are easy to buy or otherwise get.
    2. School children are considered innocents and to harm them is spectacular, vile, unheard of and appalling.

    So how to reduce the incidence of these massacres? Either the availability of deadly weapons needs to be curtailed or the reasons why cretins who get guns attack the innocents needs to be analysed and counteracted in an effective way.

    The first solution is hard. The second solution is impossible.

    “Either the availability of deadly weapons needs to be curtailed or the reasons why cretins who get guns attack the innocents needs to be analysed and counteracted in an effective way.”

    The one most obvious solution is to abolish government schools. Of course, that doesn’t even occur to a government worshiping libtard of either party. You haven’t listed a single solution. BTW, what does “analysed” mean? It sounds like sexual abuse.

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  158. @Vojkan
    After reading the linked article, I think the whole thing stinks "false flag" to high heavens, again. I wonder how many false flags the Americans have to endure until they finally wake up, or will that not happen until they eventually find themselves in a full-fledged Eurasia type dictatorship?

    Yes, the whole thing ticks all the boxes for a false flag:

    an “active shooter” drill being conducted at the time of the shooting, conflicting reports indicating more than one shooter, an impossible scenario foisted on the TV watching public within minutes including the identity of the perp, crisis actors on the news immediately following the report of the incident, and now….TA DAH!!!, the proposal to tear down the school.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/marjory-stoneman-douglas-high-school-freshman-building-torn-down-after-shooting-2018-2

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    The justification to tear it down is so disingenuous, it leaves one in total disbelief. They hardly could make it more obvious that they have something to hide.
    , @Sowhat
    This reminds me of the actions taken, following many of the false flags (They had those buildings in NYC hauled away before anyone could ask questions or sniff around to find what was left of the thermite.).
    At first, I couldn't wrap my head around the whole idea of a "false flag." I questioned myself, "How could any group or entity be so callous and evil as to further a political agenda using such carnage?" But, this is what, apparently, they do. Evil is evil, so unimaginable that we shudder to think.
    We already have decades of proof that the management at the People Farm use the Proles to gain tax revenue and cannon fodder, while living in a relatively danger-free, sometimes opulent lifestyle, far away from the drudgery of enslavement by the Corporatocracy/Farm System. And the only hope to which I hold fast is George's quote: If there is hope . . . it lies in the proles” ( George Orwell). But, will there be a rebellion? By the time a majority believe so, it will be too late. I can only envision a a future with chips used to buy and sell and a camera in every forehead.
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  159. @Anonymous
    1. That's public schools. Few capable or privileged students attend those.
    2. #50 isn't very high. Quality falls off fast after the first dozen or two.
    3. It's Florida. Not exactly a hotbed of intellectualism.

    3. It’s Florida. Not exactly a hotbed of intellectualism.

    So true.

    One would guess the opposite given the fact that the East Coast, at least, densely populated as it is by hordes of purportedly “high IQ” refugees from NYC, could be easily mistaken for Israel West.

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  160. @Corvinus
    My comments are much more predicated upon reality rather than your pie in the sky notions that, in the end, will not gain full-fledged support from whites.

    You stink of "look at me, I'm different" which is classic SJW behavior.

    You stink of “look at me, I’m different” which is classic SJW behavior.

    You mean like this?

    My comments are much more predicated upon reality rather than your pie in the sky notions…blah, blah, blah…

    May I suggest that the smell could improve if you removed your cranium from your rectum? Heretofore I always thought that the Corvidae were a particularly clever family of birds; live and learn, I guess.

    PS: Do you even know the meaning of the word, “fascism”? Hint: If you’re living in the USA, your living under a de facto fascist system.

    Now, kindly direct your trolling elsewhere; you’re not good at it and you’re boring, Even a retarded jackdaw could do better.

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    "Hint: If you’re living in the USA, your living under a de facto fascist system."

    You keep digging yourself a deeper hole, as yet again you make another patently, and quite obviously, false statement.

    Why on earth would normies give up their liberties such as voting merely because YOU say they lack the intellect and foresight to "properly' exercise them?
    , @SolontoCroesus
    Wasn't Corvinus a leader in Hungary er something like that?
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  161. Vojkan says:
    @Twodees Partain
    Yes, the whole thing ticks all the boxes for a false flag:

    an "active shooter" drill being conducted at the time of the shooting, conflicting reports indicating more than one shooter, an impossible scenario foisted on the TV watching public within minutes including the identity of the perp, crisis actors on the news immediately following the report of the incident, and now....TA DAH!!!, the proposal to tear down the school.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/marjory-stoneman-douglas-high-school-freshman-building-torn-down-after-shooting-2018-2

    The justification to tear it down is so disingenuous, it leaves one in total disbelief. They hardly could make it more obvious that they have something to hide.

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    True, indeed. This time around, youtube is actively stifling any dissident views as they are posted. Sandy Hoax debunking was conducted on youtube, but this time, Google and the PTB are ready to shut the conversation down.

    If you aren't allowed to question something, then it's something that won't hold up under scrutiny.
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  162. @Twodees Partain
    I like Jim Northrup's idea: no war can be waged until the last veteran of the previous war has died from old age.

    That reminds me of 2 other old war vets with similar ideas.

    Aussie WWI veteran Claude Choules, who died in 2011 at the age of 110, chose not to celebrate the Armistice or other veterans’ days.

    …despite his military record, he became a pacifist. He was known to have disagreed with the celebration of Australia’s most important war memorial holiday, Anzac Day, and refused to march in the annual commemoration parades.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-pacific-13289607

    Harry Patch, [Brit combat wounded vet (WW1)] who has died aged 111…had always felt, he wrote in The Last Fighting Tommy, that “politicians who took us to war should have been given the guns and told to settle their differences themselves, instead of organising nothing better than legalised mass murder“.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jul/25/harry-patch-obituary

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  163. @Biff

    Biff probably meant “war” instead of “adoption.”
     
    “Don’t mention the war”

    Fawlty Towers

    Fawlty Towers

    I’m not into popular entertainment, so you’ve rendered me completely clueless. Never heard of it til I googled it and am not about to investigate further. Sorry.

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    Some people have no sense of humor.


    https://youtu.be/yfl6Lu3xQW0
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  164. @Realist
    A sad state of affairs.That is why the right to own guns id imperative.

    A sad state of affairs.That is why the right to own guns id imperative.

    I agree and would also remind folks that an even better defense is to learn to question everything.

    One will not learn that through government instruction or corporate entertainment which is often fraudulently labelled “news.”

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  165. @Vojkan
    After reading the linked article, I think the whole thing stinks "false flag" to high heavens, again. I wonder how many false flags the Americans have to endure until they finally wake up, or will that not happen until they eventually find themselves in a full-fledged Eurasia type dictatorship?

    After reading the linked article, I think the whole thing stinks “false flag” to high heavens, again.

    I wouldn’t be a bit surprised and naturally suspect your claim is true.

    There’s so much garbage extant, that I’ve lost the desire to investigate every detail. I’ve learned to just assume that everything some “authority” tells me is BS until proven otherwise.

    The advantage I see in these thing is that they can provide opportunities to share ideas and expose and challenge the goofy ones. The downside is that by sharing ideas we expose ourselves to one degree or another, but that’s just part of the price we pay for living in a lunatic asylum run by the craziest of the crazies, as I’m sure you already know

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    The crazies running the asylum are outright evil psychopaths.
    At first, I had a hard time believing that they could without a shadow of a glimpse of a qualm utter outrageous, often implausible, cognitive dissonance inducing lies. Yet, most people believe them. I guess it's because due to some sort of peculiar defence mechanism in human brains, people refuse to acknowledge evil, especially if that evil comes from their own authorities.
    As a matter of fact, I sometimes doubted my own judgement until I tumbled upon ponerology.com. Then I realised that I wasn't alone in thinking what I thought.
    Our exchanges are important, and I don't care if I expose myself, in the sense that at least those to whom we expose ourselves must take notice that their lies don't work on all people quite as intended.
    , @Realist
    "There's so much garbage extant, that I've lost the desire to investigate every detail. I've learned to just assume that everything some "authority" tells me is BS until proven otherwise."

    I very much agree. Both Parkland and Las Vegas are very suspect. But one would think it would be impossible to keep so many people under control.

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  166. @HogHappenin
    Man I'd rather be trapped in my closet (NOOOO..not the homo kind ;) ) than approach someone like her (I am assuming this specimen here is an "her" :D ) except with a foot long stick (again not the meaty one) to ward her off me in case she tries to get too "friendly"!!

    Geez the "west" is now beyond sanity and this is the "Freedom" that they want to bring to the "lesser world" by way of MOABs!! Brilliant! Luckily I left the mad house sometime ago never ever to return

    Luckily I left the mad house sometime ago never ever to return

    Glad you could pull it off. I’d do the same if I could convince family to come along.

    This country is one pathetic (bleep) hole, and getting progressively irredeemable thanks largely to the Izzy first fanatics and their stupid goy (bleep ) buddies.

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    It's isn't so difficult if you are into tech to move into Eastern Europe (if with a little less dough but with a still quite homogeneous society) or the far east for that matter.

    Although Japan is still politically a US colony for all practical purposes, socially it is nothing like the west. Even Hong Kong and Singapore is chock full of 'Muricans if you see. Soon enough these parts will surpass the states technically even with the busload of Indians and Chinese settling on the coasts and now increasingly buying properties.

    So although a big decision but quite doable. The west is surely going to get a lot more worse and dystopian in the not so distant future just like the Izzy firsters want. SO now is still the chance. Perhaps like stalinist Russia, they'd even restrict foreign travel to "enemy nations" if they feel so
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  167. @HogHappenin
    Is it only me or is anyone noticing that thankfully Ms. Mercer is now more and more openly aghast at the so called "neo-conservatives" that have nothing in common with real conservatives except that they use the naivete of the bible thumpers in the deep south to scout for young meat to be used as cannon fodder for their wars which Ms. Mercer you must agree is not so re-creational for the hapless people it is levelled against be they in the ME or Eastern Europe or anywhere for that matter. That false preacher John "hungry mouth" hagee a paid shill coming in handy!

    This DESPITE the known fact that most of the neo-cons are zionist Jews (I mean the Talmudic kind not the Torah kind). Hence by some logic, her brethren.

    Commendable Ms. Mercer. Finally it is good for you to join the ranks of patriotic Jews like our editor Mr. Unz himself on this great site. Yes there are many of her views which I differ with but nonetheless that is only human. But it is good to see Ms. Mercer seeing and recognizing who the real "enemies of the nation" are. They are not only enemies to this nation but to humanity in general and I'm sure they've prepped themselves with bunkers and the likes in some far off place like NZ or Chile, for the coming "Armageddon" which they just can't help precipitate that much earlier.

    Is it only me or is anyone noticing that thankfully Ms. Mercer is now more and more openly aghast at the so called “neo-conservatives” that have nothing in common with real conservatives except that they use the naivete of the bible thumpers …

    I hope you’re correct, but I ignore most of her atavistic garbage, so I, for one, really wouldn’t know.

    I have to agree that this piece is full of some pretty good stuff.

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  168. @EliteCommInc.
    I think this has value. With a caveat, that the purpose to move them forward as opposed to merely wading in self analytic fear reinforcement of a nonexistent threat from gun toting anyone's.

    Maybe.
    I think they’re being used, and crassly so, and it’s a barometer on just how far along in the process we are and just how bad it is, that that isn’t gobsmackingly the most obvious thing to anyone watching including, and maybe especially, those sympathetic to how they’re being used.
    Someone comes into your place of work or study and shoots up the place – you are right to be p–ssed, you are right to be off your rocker and besides yourself – and you are prime pickings for manipulative abuse.
    We don’t police, let alone stop, anyone from that kind of abuse anymore – at least when the abuse if for the right cause.

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  169. @Twodees Partain
    I remember those Sunday afternoon shows on TV that kept beating the drums for more war. They bored the shit out of me so I was usually out on the porch with those of my uncles who had been infantry and armored draftees during the Big One.

    They didn't care for those shows any more than I did.

    They didn’t care for those shows any more than I did.

    I “envy” the Hell outta you for that. I had to unlearn cartloads of manure, which I learned not only at home but in schools, both public and private. I’ve learned that it’s all manure.

    It’s also among the reasons I’ve never allowed a TV in my house to this day, and view radios as maybe good for weather reports if at all.

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  170. @Twodees Partain
    I like Jim Northrup's idea: no war can be waged until the last veteran of the previous war has died from old age.

    I like Jim Northrup’s idea: no war can be waged until the last veteran of the previous war has died from old age.

    I like both his expressed idea and the fact that you’ve introduced me to a man I never heard of but seems well worth listening to.

    Looks like I’ve got some more reading to do.

    His books included “Walking the Rez Road” (1993) and “Rez Road Follies: Canoes, Casinos, Computers and Birch Bark Baskets” (1997).

    In her introduction to “Anishinaabe Syndicated,”

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    Yeah, Jim is a Vietnam Veteran. His writing is sometimes humorous and he has a pretty good handle on expressing what he thinks of government, at all levels.
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  171. @jacques sheete
    The groups I'm familiar with are lawyers, engineers, "academics," teachers, bankers, accountants, health care personnel such as nurses, pharmacists, physicians, veterinarians, with some business owners in the mix, and it sounds as if our impressions are miles apart. Our family is also heavy into those things and almost all have married similar professionals, so I know many intimately.

    Like I said, they are unquestionably bright people in their fields. Because of that, they think their opinions on everything are gold plated, and their attitudes are fixed. If I were a depressive sort, I'd probably need medication if not institutionalization as a result of coming to know what their attitudes are and why.

    Ok, so apples:oranges really insofar as the types of people. My business associates have always been of the type who manufacture things, build buildings, engineer things, etc. Jobs where failure can often equal fatalities and point of failure easily pinpointed. A very far cry from jobs where failure is often excused or passed off. That I suspect is the critical difference. The lack of diversity in my field probably helps too – well over 90% white yet having to design/build around the failures of diversity. Plus my guys are far from the spotlights, nobody notices who really makes our world work properly.

    Having been raised by a doctor, however, my experience is they are supremely guarded in expressing truth of HBD type reality, but they know it’s true and they hate that they know. I’d guess criminal lawyers are also in that group where reality is in their face daily and they have to deny it or starve.

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    Jobs where failure can often equal fatalities and point of failure easily pinpointed.
     
    I think you've made an excellent point there. I've always been a huge advocate of personal responsibility and have been shocked at how easily people avoid it with impunity, particularly the ones I mentioned. Their failures, if recognized, are quickly ignored or the blame shifted and they remain free to repeat their errors as well as their crimes.

    The politicians I've been familiar with fit that mold but often seem to take it a step further by actively seeing what they can get away with, and it filters down, apparently, to the bureaucrats below them.

    Come to think of it I once had a next door neighbor who was a commercial airlines pilot (talk about personal responsibility and accountability), and he and I saw eye to eye on almost everything, so your theory holds there as well.
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  172. @Biff

    Ban overseas adoption!
     
    Why?

    Mystery meat. But it isn’t just overseas adoption. You never know what your getting in adoption because of sealed records and adoption agency deceptions.

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  173. I-75 north of Orlando to the border of Georgia will reveal some scenic hills. But the highest elevation in the state is only 345’. Yes, the place is flat as a pancake. A tsunami will kill millions.

    But at least it’s warm and sunny. Plus young ladies’ attire is more pleasing than in say Minnesota..

    As far as ideas, California can keep its Communism. Florida is WAY more conservative. And for good ideas, remember the IBM PC came from Boca and now Magic Leap is from Hollywood.

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    Florida IS way more conservative, but TPTB are working furiously to fix that. They will depopulate PR if that's what it takes.
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  174. Rich says:
    @Not_one_of_You
    Rich,

    Straw man arguments are best left to the feminist harpies of the Me Too movement. Movements which adopt a title ending in "...ism" all tend to resemble Stalinism soon enough.

    I never once mentioned knives, matches, gasoline, baseball bat, sharp sticks, etc and I never mentioned prescription drugs, illegal drugs, etc

    I’m not sure you understand what a “straw man argument” is, but you did miss my point completely. The availability of weapons isn’t going to stop someone who is determined to damage.

    And you’re right, you didn’t mention knives, matches, gasoline, bats, sharp sticks, etc., I did, so I’ll give you a couple points for noticing who mentioned them. In case you’re interested, that was because of your implication that we should make it more difficult to get guns to prevent madmen from committing mayhem. Mayhem can easily be committed with a slew of things other than guns.

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    A straw man argument is when you accuse your opponent of doing something quite beside the point or irrelevant, like "Do you really think we should take away all dangerous weapons? Weapons like knives, matches and gasoline? Baseball bats, too? What about sharp sticks?"

    So, no. I do not "really think" something I never suggested or even mentioned.

    I "really think" guns and especially assault weapons should be forcibly and progressively removed from circulation and destroyed. I think the rancid idea that teachers should carry guns to protect the class from AR-15 assault weapons in the hands of massacre-bent gun-loving deadshits is about as dumb as dirt.
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  175. @Stan d Mute
    I-75 north of Orlando to the border of Georgia will reveal some scenic hills. But the highest elevation in the state is only 345’. Yes, the place is flat as a pancake. A tsunami will kill millions.

    But at least it’s warm and sunny. Plus young ladies’ attire is more pleasing than in say Minnesota..

    As far as ideas, California can keep its Communism. Florida is WAY more conservative. And for good ideas, remember the IBM PC came from Boca and now Magic Leap is from Hollywood.

    Florida IS way more conservative, but TPTB are working furiously to fix that. They will depopulate PR if that’s what it takes.

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    Florida IS way more conservative, but TPTB are working furiously to fix that. They will depopulate PR if that’s what it takes.
     
    Hardly just PR, look at Weston’s transformation into Westonzuela. Guatemala, El Salvador, Haiti, Cuba, Jamaica, Nicaragua, Colombia, Brazil, etc., all are flooding into the Peninsula. One can’t even claim it’s linguistic, Brazil speaks Portuguese and the negroes speak pidgin French.
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  176. @Twodees Partain
    Yes, that little gaffe made me hope that there's some truth to the description of a president in one of Kurt Vonnegut Jr.'s novels : that the prez has no real power. He's like a baby in a car seat with a little steering wheel to keep him entertained.

    In the case of Trump, we'd better hope that the ninnies he's surrounded himself with are at least a little smarter than he is.

    He’s like a baby in a car seat with a little steering wheel to keep him entertained.

    I like that!

    I hope some adult steps up and changes his diaper soon since it’s obvious it’s full, and it smells.

    As for Hillary, she needs a diaper over her head.

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  177. @Stan d Mute
    Ok, so apples:oranges really insofar as the types of people. My business associates have always been of the type who manufacture things, build buildings, engineer things, etc. Jobs where failure can often equal fatalities and point of failure easily pinpointed. A very far cry from jobs where failure is often excused or passed off. That I suspect is the critical difference. The lack of diversity in my field probably helps too - well over 90% white yet having to design/build around the failures of diversity. Plus my guys are far from the spotlights, nobody notices who really makes our world work properly.

    Having been raised by a doctor, however, my experience is they are supremely guarded in expressing truth of HBD type reality, but they know it’s true and they hate that they know. I’d guess criminal lawyers are also in that group where reality is in their face daily and they have to deny it or starve.

    Jobs where failure can often equal fatalities and point of failure easily pinpointed.

    I think you’ve made an excellent point there. I’ve always been a huge advocate of personal responsibility and have been shocked at how easily people avoid it with impunity, particularly the ones I mentioned. Their failures, if recognized, are quickly ignored or the blame shifted and they remain free to repeat their errors as well as their crimes.

    The politicians I’ve been familiar with fit that mold but often seem to take it a step further by actively seeing what they can get away with, and it filters down, apparently, to the bureaucrats below them.

    Come to think of it I once had a next door neighbor who was a commercial airlines pilot (talk about personal responsibility and accountability), and he and I saw eye to eye on almost everything, so your theory holds there as well.

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    A somewhat tangential thought you roused with this and other commentary:

    Their failures, if recognized, are quickly ignored or the blame shifted and they remain free to repeat their errors as well as their crimes.
     
    Back in the 70’s, doctors put patients first. I was there, in fact raised literally inside a doctor’s office, and heard premonitions of doom impending from over specialization, HMO’s, and especially out of control malpractice litigation. 40 years later, I see how prescient old mom was. A doctor’s first priority today is evading responsibility. I’ve seen firsthand one of the top healthcare institutions in the nation “editing” medical records even long after any threat of litigation had passed. And although I have a dog in this hunt, the “opioid epidemic” is a perfect example. I recall in the 70’s routinely seeing junkies come begging for scripts. Old mom would give them a script for half a dozen pills to get rid of them knowing they’d not be back because they only got half a dozen, but she avoided junkie violence that way. So it’s not like (a) junkies haven’t been around a very long time and (b) the addictive qualities of opiates were ever unknown. Flash forward and we had doctors handing out the crap like candies to everyone in large (often absurdly large) quantities. Flash forward again and today we have doctors flat refusing to even see chronic pain patients with mountains of documentation showing serious physical injuries or maladies. These people, many who have relied on opiates as the only thing that made life remotely bearable, are told to piss off, suffer the horror of physical withdrawal, and suffer their often unbearable pain. At best, they’re offered GABA/pregabalin/gabapentin or SSRIs/SSNRIs as if adding major suicide risk to someone in agony makes sense.

    From making housecalls and GP’s getting out of bed at 2am to race to a hospital and deliver a baby or see a patient to callously ignoring patients in obvious agony or even worse giving them drugs known to cause suicidal ideation in just 40 years. Progress. Who’s responsible? Why it’s a drug manufacturer of course. Not the doctors who are supposed to know better than to believe in fairy tale marketing BS - oh no.

    And don’t let me get started on the epic influx of third world trained doctors in specialties like cardiology and neurosurgery. Want a Zimbabwean cardiologist? I personally know of a few. And again in one of “America’s Top Hospitals.” Now I wonder why our life expectancy is suddenly on the decline..
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  178. Vojkan says:
    @jacques sheete

    After reading the linked article, I think the whole thing stinks “false flag” to high heavens, again.
     
    I wouldn't be a bit surprised and naturally suspect your claim is true.

    There's so much garbage extant, that I've lost the desire to investigate every detail. I've learned to just assume that everything some "authority" tells me is BS until proven otherwise.

    The advantage I see in these thing is that they can provide opportunities to share ideas and expose and challenge the goofy ones. The downside is that by sharing ideas we expose ourselves to one degree or another, but that's just part of the price we pay for living in a lunatic asylum run by the craziest of the crazies, as I'm sure you already know

    The crazies running the asylum are outright evil psychopaths.
    At first, I had a hard time believing that they could without a shadow of a glimpse of a qualm utter outrageous, often implausible, cognitive dissonance inducing lies. Yet, most people believe them. I guess it’s because due to some sort of peculiar defence mechanism in human brains, people refuse to acknowledge evil, especially if that evil comes from their own authorities.
    As a matter of fact, I sometimes doubted my own judgement until I tumbled upon ponerology.com. Then I realised that I wasn’t alone in thinking what I thought.
    Our exchanges are important, and I don’t care if I expose myself, in the sense that at least those to whom we expose ourselves must take notice that their lies don’t work on all people quite as intended.

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    At first, I had a hard time believing that they could without a shadow of a glimpse of a qualm utter outrageous, often implausible, cognitive dissonance inducing lies.
     
    It is stunning. They also contradict themselves brazenly on a whim and get away with it repeatedly and consistently. Yet if one dares speak the truth (s)he'll be damned.

    They've developed perversity to a perfection and it's never ending and has spread throughout society as we know it.

    It's nice to know that other see it, so thanks!
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  179. @jacques sheete
    Stan d, thanks for your comments, but the quotes you've provided don't sound like the Madison and Hamilton that I know!

    Both were statists as you undoubtedly know, and are not among my favorites. But then, even Thomas Paine was in favor of the Constitution! Arrrrrgggghhh!

    the quotes you’ve provided don’t sound like the Madison and Hamilton that I know!

    Statist then does not equal statist today. And didn’t Hamilton settle his disagreements with Burr with a gun?

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    Burr did the settling, but I get your meaning. I'd also point out that all of the great, stirring things that Hamilton wrote while promoting the Constitution were just disingenuous statements of what he thought people wanted to hear in order to accept the Constitution as something positive.

    He was obviously lying when he claimed that the Constitution would do this or that to limit government, when it is obvious now that it doesn't restrain government at all and wasn't even designed to.

    , @jacques sheete
    Stan, I agree with what you say, and I also think Twodees Partain added some points that say it better than I could have.

    One of the reasons I like to provide specific sources rather than just names is that context, as you of course know, makes all the difference.

    Hamilton I generally view as a squirrel, and Madison a mixed bag. On the other hand both probably had some valid ideas.


    As I already noted, Thomas Paine was one on my favorites yet I'll never really understand why such a fine fellow supported the abomination called the constitution.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome
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  180. @The Alarmist
    Florida IS way more conservative, but TPTB are working furiously to fix that. They will depopulate PR if that's what it takes.

    Florida IS way more conservative, but TPTB are working furiously to fix that. They will depopulate PR if that’s what it takes.

    Hardly just PR, look at Weston’s transformation into Westonzuela. Guatemala, El Salvador, Haiti, Cuba, Jamaica, Nicaragua, Colombia, Brazil, etc., all are flooding into the Peninsula. One can’t even claim it’s linguistic, Brazil speaks Portuguese and the negroes speak pidgin French.

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  181. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jacques sheete

    NO! The first job is to protect the public….period.
     
    If only. The concept exists mainly in our dreams, and people would do well to understand that government is a protection racket and that bureaucrats are mostly sadists.

    Here's a much more informative article on the subject.:

    Florida School Massacre Proves Police Are Worthless In Protecting Us

    ... police officers have NO OBLIGATION to protect the American citizenry

    “Why do we have more than a million cops on the taxpayer-funded payroll in this country whose jobs do not entail protecting our safety, maintaining the peace in our communities, and upholding our liberties?

    … “I’ll tell you why.

    “This is no longer* a government ‘of the people, by the people, for the people.’

    “It is fast becoming a government ‘of the rich, by the elite, for the corporations,’ and its rise to power is predicated on shackling the American taxpayer to a life of indentured servitude.

    “Cops in America may get paid by the citizenry, but they don’t work for us.

    “They don’t answer to us. They’re not loyal to us.

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/03/chuck-baldwin/florida-school-massacre-proves-police-are-worthless-in-protecting-us/
     
    *The author makes an error here. He should have written that it never was a government of, for and by the people.
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    Don’t forget.
     
    Impossible thing for me to do, but thanks!

    One of the main concerns expressed by those who favored a national constitution was the issue of protecting state (effectively the "elite") interests against the will of the "lower orders." The issue of establishing a standing army was mainly for that purpose, although some lip service was paid to the pretext of needing to be prepared for foreign military threats.

    Besides the federalist and anti-federalist papers, the best thing I've found on the subject is a quite masterful ( but still subtly biased), and admirably and copiously referenced work out of Oxford, Michael J. Klarman's

    The Framers' Coup
    The Making of the United States Constitution
    https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-framers-coup-9780199942039?cc=us&lang=en&

     

    Normally I consider texts originating in places like that to be largely rubbish, this one seems to break the rule. I'd be interested in what others think.
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  182. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @anon
    Well done, Ilana.

    Agreed (since I can’t add an “Agree” tag).

    This may be the best piece of hers I’ve ever read.

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  183. Corvinus says:
    @jacques sheete

    You stink of “look at me, I’m different” which is classic SJW behavior.
     
    You mean like this?

    My comments are much more predicated upon reality rather than your pie in the sky notions...blah, blah, blah...

     

    May I suggest that the smell could improve if you removed your cranium from your rectum? Heretofore I always thought that the Corvidae were a particularly clever family of birds; live and learn, I guess.

    PS: Do you even know the meaning of the word, "fascism"? Hint: If you're living in the USA, your living under a de facto fascist system.


    Now, kindly direct your trolling elsewhere; you're not good at it and you're boring, Even a retarded jackdaw could do better.

    “Hint: If you’re living in the USA, your living under a de facto fascist system.”

    You keep digging yourself a deeper hole, as yet again you make another patently, and quite obviously, false statement.

    Why on earth would normies give up their liberties such as voting merely because YOU say they lack the intellect and foresight to “properly’ exercise them?

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    My fine bird, you are clearly clueless as well as hopeless.

    I'm done. Have a nice day now!
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  184. anarchyst says:
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    A “well-regulated militia” is far from the bastardised right to carry weapons around for no other reason than the carriers like them and are in fear, or see themselves as empowered by it.
     
    Precisely. I for one would be in favor of a few modest improvements to make it harder for disturbed young people to get firearms, but if the Second Amendment makes that impossible, then I say let's go for repeal of the Second Amendment altogether, and let the States make their own laws about guns. Some states will ban them altogether, for example those that want to attract tourists, and others will make it mandatory for each kindergarten child to bring their own concealed weapon and gun lovers will flock to those states.

    People will be free to live in whatever State they want, everyone will be happy with the situation, and all the other amendments will have to be renumbered.

    So, if you are in favor of State's rights, vote to repeal the Second so as to protect your gun rights!

    You need to learn more about the U S Constitution. Even without the Second Amendment in the “Bill of Rights”, the right to keep and bear arms is an inherent right. In fact, some of he framers of the Constitution saw no need for “enumerated rights” as the rights spelled out in the Bill of Rights were understood to be “natural rights, endowed by our Creator”, and as such were non-negotiable. The Bill of Rights was written to make it understood that these rights are inherent in nature and on being born human.

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  185. anarchyst says:
    @Not_one_of_You
    The Declaration of Independence of 1776 declared three unalienable rights of "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" which arguably trump (sic) the second amendment of 1778 which reads:

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed".

    A "well-regulated militia" is far from the bastardised right to carry weapons around for no other reason than the carriers like them and are in fear, or see themselves as empowered by it.

    To rip into the children who see their right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" as paramount and to smear them as "leftists", "liberals" and "Against the Constitution", before they even attain a reasoning age to choose a political bent, is certainly pathetic but also indicative of how distant the Constitution and its worthy ideas have become from the debate.

    What is missing is the reasoned consideration of why do school mass murders of even very young students happen so often in so many parts of the US (and other countries as well). Why would those who feel resentment or aggression or want to make a mark of their otherwise hopeless existences choose to do it by killing school children (and teachers).

    There must be at least two undeniable factors:-

    1. Weapons are easy to buy or otherwise get.
    2. School children are considered innocents and to harm them is spectacular, vile, unheard of and appalling.

    So how to reduce the incidence of these massacres? Either the availability of deadly weapons needs to be curtailed or the reasons why cretins who get guns attack the innocents needs to be analysed and counteracted in an effective way.

    The first solution is hard. The second solution is impossible.

    You are wrong. It is the failed concept of “gun free zones” in which there is no means allowed to resist a person (criminal) bent on doing harm.
    Good examples of this include the movie theater that was shot up; the gunman bypassed two closer movie theaters as they allowed “concealed carry”. He shot up a movie theater that proudly stated “no firearms allowed”.
    Ever wonder why police stations or gun shows and stores are never attacked.
    Common sense dictates that legally armed people CAN stop slaughters of innocent citizens.
    We guard our banks and money with people with guns
    We guard our politicians, public figures, and celebrities with people with guns
    We guard our government facilities and other valuable facilities with people with guns
    We guard our children with “gun free zone” signs

    What’s wrong with this picture?

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    Q:

    What’s wrong with this picture?
     
    A:

    We guard our politicians, public figures, and celebrities with people with guns
     
    Sorry to be a smart @ss, but I couldn't resist. ;)
    , @Not_one_of_You

    We guard our banks and money with people with guns
    We guard our politicians, public figures, and celebrities with people with guns
    We guard our government facilities and other valuable facilities with people with guns
    We guard our children with “gun free zone” signs

    What’s wrong with this picture?
     
    Suggest we guard the entrance to gun free zones with people with guns, temporarily and simultaneously with gun reduction programs to ban assault weapons on penalty of long prison terms.

    Not rely on the possibility that somebody with a gun might be around at some fortuitous moment and have the presence of mind to shoot somebody else who looks like shooting somebody else, without being shot first and without making a horrible mistake.
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  186. @jacques sheete

    I like Jim Northrup’s idea: no war can be waged until the last veteran of the previous war has died from old age.
     
    I like both his expressed idea and the fact that you've introduced me to a man I never heard of but seems well worth listening to.

    Looks like I've got some more reading to do.


    His books included “Walking the Rez Road” (1993) and “Rez Road Follies: Canoes, Casinos, Computers and Birch Bark Baskets” (1997).

    In her introduction to “Anishinaabe Syndicated,”
     

    Yeah, Jim is a Vietnam Veteran. His writing is sometimes humorous and he has a pretty good handle on expressing what he thinks of government, at all levels.

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    Thanks!

    I spent some time this AM trying to access his articles, but failed before I had to attend to other things.

    Can you provide any good links? Sounds very interesting to me.

    After I learned about what chattel slavery was and how the Indians were treated I pretty much lost all respect for Western "culture" "civilization" "superiority" and "authority." When it dawned on me that the ruling elite sided with the Bolshies, that clinched my opinion.

    Then I started digging into the origins of the constitution and found that even the poor saps who fought the Revolution were being set up to be screwed over by it. Revulsion of the system in no way describes the depth of my loathing for the system or the apologists for it.

    Thanks!

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  187. @Vojkan
    The justification to tear it down is so disingenuous, it leaves one in total disbelief. They hardly could make it more obvious that they have something to hide.

    True, indeed. This time around, youtube is actively stifling any dissident views as they are posted. Sandy Hoax debunking was conducted on youtube, but this time, Google and the PTB are ready to shut the conversation down.

    If you aren’t allowed to question something, then it’s something that won’t hold up under scrutiny.

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  188. @Stan d Mute

    the quotes you’ve provided don’t sound like the Madison and Hamilton that I know!
     
    Statist then does not equal statist today. And didn’t Hamilton settle his disagreements with Burr with a gun?

    Burr did the settling, but I get your meaning. I’d also point out that all of the great, stirring things that Hamilton wrote while promoting the Constitution were just disingenuous statements of what he thought people wanted to hear in order to accept the Constitution as something positive.

    He was obviously lying when he claimed that the Constitution would do this or that to limit government, when it is obvious now that it doesn’t restrain government at all and wasn’t even designed to.

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    You two are perfect example of why I prefer Unz to any other site. Well, to be fair Ron and his incredible collection of writers are another. But reasoned discussion happens here and it’s simple to make trolls vanish.

    By the way, Hamilton did settle his disagreements with a gun, just not to his own satisfaction.

    Anyway, you seem focused on what the Constitution might have been had it been better while I’m more interested in how great it was or could have been had it not been so horribly corrupted by those in power. Our Framers clearly knew the greatest risk lay in unbridled power and specifically delimited that power plus provided the failsafe of 2A. Perfect, no it wasn’t, clearly. But has the world produced anything better? 2A could have, should have, prevented violations like the standing army, the tyranny of the judicial branch, the tyranny of the executive branch and deep state, the corruption of the legislative branch, etc. I struggle to find any major calamity since 1776 that didn’t have Constitutional abrogation as it’s proximate cause and which 2A could not have remedied (if not other more peaceable means first).
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  189. @anarchyst
    I would propose a "carve out" for those serving in the military. Those who serve on active duty in the military should have "full" adult rights.

    Nobody “serves” in the military, they apply for employment- and become hired by government agencies.
    They have full knowledge beforehand that their job will be to kill and destroy on command.

    In no conceivable way are “patriots” ensuring my “security” when they batter down doors to homes in Iraq and spray bullets from their assault-weapons/WMD-that-only-military-should-be-allowed-to-use.

    Inasmuch as the Iraq war has, for several years, been labeled a “blunder” and “illegitimate,” for which Bush, etc. should be arrested and tried at Hague, any military person who participates in that illegitimate war is acting equally immorally and illegitimately and should be subject to prosecution by the same court of international justice.

    They are not heroes or patriots just because they wear uniforms and are heavily trained to use very expensive and very lethal weapons.

    It is astonishing that the American sheeple allow themselves to silo murderous militarism from gun violence among psychologically immature (at best) teenagers.

    How many times do teenagers hear their ‘leaders’ and media / propagandist say “Thank you for your service” to people who kill other innocent people, and justify it because they wear a uniform?

    They are hirelings, hired to kill and destroy.

    Don’t feed those Trolls.

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    "Nobody “serves” in the military, they apply for employment- and become hired by government agencies. They have full knowledge beforehand that their job will be to kill and destroy on command."

    In reality, men and women volunteer to offer up their services to the armed forces. They serve their nation and are willing, if needed, to die for it. Members of the our military and perform a variety of task; as a result of their service, they receive compensation. Some of these fields are specific to the military, while others are equivalent to civilian occupations. These patriotic citizens execute missions deemed critical to our national security. Assuredly, we can debate whether or not political decisions to go to war or use the armed forces for particular missions are justifiable.
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  190. @jacques sheete

    You stink of “look at me, I’m different” which is classic SJW behavior.
     
    You mean like this?

    My comments are much more predicated upon reality rather than your pie in the sky notions...blah, blah, blah...

     

    May I suggest that the smell could improve if you removed your cranium from your rectum? Heretofore I always thought that the Corvidae were a particularly clever family of birds; live and learn, I guess.

    PS: Do you even know the meaning of the word, "fascism"? Hint: If you're living in the USA, your living under a de facto fascist system.


    Now, kindly direct your trolling elsewhere; you're not good at it and you're boring, Even a retarded jackdaw could do better.

    Wasn’t Corvinus a leader in Hungary er something like that?

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    Wait, Corvinus was that three-headed dog. No, that was Cerberus. Anyway, I guess you could Google it.
    , @jacques sheete

    Wasn’t Corvinus a leader in Hungary er something like that?

     

    Could be but certainly not the one we're dealing with! This one sounds more like some sort of fish, and not fresh, either.
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  191. @Vojkan
    The crazies running the asylum are outright evil psychopaths.
    At first, I had a hard time believing that they could without a shadow of a glimpse of a qualm utter outrageous, often implausible, cognitive dissonance inducing lies. Yet, most people believe them. I guess it's because due to some sort of peculiar defence mechanism in human brains, people refuse to acknowledge evil, especially if that evil comes from their own authorities.
    As a matter of fact, I sometimes doubted my own judgement until I tumbled upon ponerology.com. Then I realised that I wasn't alone in thinking what I thought.
    Our exchanges are important, and I don't care if I expose myself, in the sense that at least those to whom we expose ourselves must take notice that their lies don't work on all people quite as intended.

    At first, I had a hard time believing that they could without a shadow of a glimpse of a qualm utter outrageous, often implausible, cognitive dissonance inducing lies.

    It is stunning. They also contradict themselves brazenly on a whim and get away with it repeatedly and consistently. Yet if one dares speak the truth (s)he’ll be damned.

    They’ve developed perversity to a perfection and it’s never ending and has spread throughout society as we know it.

    It’s nice to know that other see it, so thanks!

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  192. @SolontoCroesus
    Wasn't Corvinus a leader in Hungary er something like that?

    Wait, Corvinus was that three-headed dog. No, that was Cerberus. Anyway, I guess you could Google it.

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  193. @Stan d Mute

    the quotes you’ve provided don’t sound like the Madison and Hamilton that I know!
     
    Statist then does not equal statist today. And didn’t Hamilton settle his disagreements with Burr with a gun?

    Stan, I agree with what you say, and I also think Twodees Partain added some points that say it better than I could have.

    One of the reasons I like to provide specific sources rather than just names is that context, as you of course know, makes all the difference.

    Hamilton I generally view as a squirrel, and Madison a mixed bag. On the other hand both probably had some valid ideas.

    As I already noted, Thomas Paine was one on my favorites yet I’ll never really understand why such a fine fellow supported the abomination called the constitution.

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  194. Realist says:
    @jacques sheete

    After reading the linked article, I think the whole thing stinks “false flag” to high heavens, again.
     
    I wouldn't be a bit surprised and naturally suspect your claim is true.

    There's so much garbage extant, that I've lost the desire to investigate every detail. I've learned to just assume that everything some "authority" tells me is BS until proven otherwise.

    The advantage I see in these thing is that they can provide opportunities to share ideas and expose and challenge the goofy ones. The downside is that by sharing ideas we expose ourselves to one degree or another, but that's just part of the price we pay for living in a lunatic asylum run by the craziest of the crazies, as I'm sure you already know

    “There’s so much garbage extant, that I’ve lost the desire to investigate every detail. I’ve learned to just assume that everything some “authority” tells me is BS until proven otherwise.”

    I very much agree. Both Parkland and Las Vegas are very suspect. But one would think it would be impossible to keep so many people under control.

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  195. @Anonymous
    Don't forget

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia

    Don’t forget.

    Impossible thing for me to do, but thanks!

    One of the main concerns expressed by those who favored a national constitution was the issue of protecting state (effectively the “elite”) interests against the will of the “lower orders.” The issue of establishing a standing army was mainly for that purpose, although some lip service was paid to the pretext of needing to be prepared for foreign military threats.

    Besides the federalist and anti-federalist papers, the best thing I’ve found on the subject is a quite masterful ( but still subtly biased), and admirably and copiously referenced work out of Oxford, Michael J. Klarman’s

    The Framers’ Coup
    The Making of the United States Constitution

    https://global.oup.com/academic/product/the-framers-coup-9780199942039?cc=us&lang=en&

    Normally I consider texts originating in places like that to be largely rubbish, this one seems to break the rule. I’d be interested in what others think.

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  196. @Corvinus
    "Hint: If you’re living in the USA, your living under a de facto fascist system."

    You keep digging yourself a deeper hole, as yet again you make another patently, and quite obviously, false statement.

    Why on earth would normies give up their liberties such as voting merely because YOU say they lack the intellect and foresight to "properly' exercise them?

    My fine bird, you are clearly clueless as well as hopeless.

    I’m done. Have a nice day now!

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    So typical of you to run away rather than answer a relatively easy question--Why on earth would normies give up their liberties such as voting merely because YOU say they lack the intellect and foresight to “properly’ exercise them?
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  197. @anarchyst
    You are wrong. It is the failed concept of "gun free zones" in which there is no means allowed to resist a person (criminal) bent on doing harm.
    Good examples of this include the movie theater that was shot up; the gunman bypassed two closer movie theaters as they allowed "concealed carry". He shot up a movie theater that proudly stated "no firearms allowed".
    Ever wonder why police stations or gun shows and stores are never attacked.
    Common sense dictates that legally armed people CAN stop slaughters of innocent citizens.
    We guard our banks and money with people with guns
    We guard our politicians, public figures, and celebrities with people with guns
    We guard our government facilities and other valuable facilities with people with guns
    We guard our children with "gun free zone" signs

    What's wrong with this picture?

    Q:

    What’s wrong with this picture?

    A:

    We guard our politicians, public figures, and celebrities with people with guns

    Sorry to be a smart @ss, but I couldn’t resist. ;)

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  198. @Twodees Partain
    Yeah, Jim is a Vietnam Veteran. His writing is sometimes humorous and he has a pretty good handle on expressing what he thinks of government, at all levels.

    Thanks!

    I spent some time this AM trying to access his articles, but failed before I had to attend to other things.

    Can you provide any good links? Sounds very interesting to me.

    After I learned about what chattel slavery was and how the Indians were treated I pretty much lost all respect for Western “culture” “civilization” “superiority” and “authority.” When it dawned on me that the ruling elite sided with the Bolshies, that clinched my opinion.

    Then I started digging into the origins of the constitution and found that even the poor saps who fought the Revolution were being set up to be screwed over by it. Revulsion of the system in no way describes the depth of my loathing for the system or the apologists for it.

    Thanks!

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    In case 2Ds sees this, I hit a treasure trove

    http://admin.pinejournal.com/tags/fond-du-lac-follies
    , @Twodees Partain
    Well, Jim died in 2016. His writings are still archived here and there. I never met him in person, though I talked with him on an online chat once, back about 1998 or 99. We had a mutual acquaintance , another Ojibwe author, who had just spent the weekend with me here.

    I liked Jim's writings. Some indian authors are pretty bitter and angry, but he wasn't.

    http://nativeamerican-authors.com/northrup.html
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  199. @SolontoCroesus
    Wasn't Corvinus a leader in Hungary er something like that?

    Wasn’t Corvinus a leader in Hungary er something like that?

    Could be but certainly not the one we’re dealing with! This one sounds more like some sort of fish, and not fresh, either.

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  200. @jacques sheete
    Thanks!

    I spent some time this AM trying to access his articles, but failed before I had to attend to other things.

    Can you provide any good links? Sounds very interesting to me.

    After I learned about what chattel slavery was and how the Indians were treated I pretty much lost all respect for Western "culture" "civilization" "superiority" and "authority." When it dawned on me that the ruling elite sided with the Bolshies, that clinched my opinion.

    Then I started digging into the origins of the constitution and found that even the poor saps who fought the Revolution were being set up to be screwed over by it. Revulsion of the system in no way describes the depth of my loathing for the system or the apologists for it.

    Thanks!

    In case 2Ds sees this, I hit a treasure trove

    http://admin.pinejournal.com/tags/fond-du-lac-follies

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    Thanks, Jacques.
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  201. @jacques sheete

    Jobs where failure can often equal fatalities and point of failure easily pinpointed.
     
    I think you've made an excellent point there. I've always been a huge advocate of personal responsibility and have been shocked at how easily people avoid it with impunity, particularly the ones I mentioned. Their failures, if recognized, are quickly ignored or the blame shifted and they remain free to repeat their errors as well as their crimes.

    The politicians I've been familiar with fit that mold but often seem to take it a step further by actively seeing what they can get away with, and it filters down, apparently, to the bureaucrats below them.

    Come to think of it I once had a next door neighbor who was a commercial airlines pilot (talk about personal responsibility and accountability), and he and I saw eye to eye on almost everything, so your theory holds there as well.

    A somewhat tangential thought you roused with this and other commentary:

    Their failures, if recognized, are quickly ignored or the blame shifted and they remain free to repeat their errors as well as their crimes.

    Back in the 70’s, doctors put patients first. I was there, in fact raised literally inside a doctor’s office, and heard premonitions of doom impending from over specialization, HMO’s, and especially out of control malpractice litigation. 40 years later, I see how prescient old mom was. A doctor’s first priority today is evading responsibility. I’ve seen firsthand one of the top healthcare institutions in the nation “editing” medical records even long after any threat of litigation had passed. And although I have a dog in this hunt, the “opioid epidemic” is a perfect example. I recall in the 70’s routinely seeing junkies come begging for scripts. Old mom would give them a script for half a dozen pills to get rid of them knowing they’d not be back because they only got half a dozen, but she avoided junkie violence that way. So it’s not like (a) junkies haven’t been around a very long time and (b) the addictive qualities of opiates were ever unknown. Flash forward and we had doctors handing out the crap like candies to everyone in large (often absurdly large) quantities. Flash forward again and today we have doctors flat refusing to even see chronic pain patients with mountains of documentation showing serious physical injuries or maladies. These people, many who have relied on opiates as the only thing that made life remotely bearable, are told to piss off, suffer the horror of physical withdrawal, and suffer their often unbearable pain. At best, they’re offered GABA/pregabalin/gabapentin or SSRIs/SSNRIs as if adding major suicide risk to someone in agony makes sense.

    From making housecalls and GP’s getting out of bed at 2am to race to a hospital and deliver a baby or see a patient to callously ignoring patients in obvious agony or even worse giving them drugs known to cause suicidal ideation in just 40 years. Progress. Who’s responsible? Why it’s a drug manufacturer of course. Not the doctors who are supposed to know better than to believe in fairy tale marketing BS – oh no.

    And don’t let me get started on the epic influx of third world trained doctors in specialties like cardiology and neurosurgery. Want a Zimbabwean cardiologist? I personally know of a few. And again in one of “America’s Top Hospitals.” Now I wonder why our life expectancy is suddenly on the decline..

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  202. @Twodees Partain
    Burr did the settling, but I get your meaning. I'd also point out that all of the great, stirring things that Hamilton wrote while promoting the Constitution were just disingenuous statements of what he thought people wanted to hear in order to accept the Constitution as something positive.

    He was obviously lying when he claimed that the Constitution would do this or that to limit government, when it is obvious now that it doesn't restrain government at all and wasn't even designed to.

    You two are perfect example of why I prefer Unz to any other site. Well, to be fair Ron and his incredible collection of writers are another. But reasoned discussion happens here and it’s simple to make trolls vanish.

    By the way, Hamilton did settle his disagreements with a gun, just not to his own satisfaction.

    Anyway, you seem focused on what the Constitution might have been had it been better while I’m more interested in how great it was or could have been had it not been so horribly corrupted by those in power. Our Framers clearly knew the greatest risk lay in unbridled power and specifically delimited that power plus provided the failsafe of 2A. Perfect, no it wasn’t, clearly. But has the world produced anything better? 2A could have, should have, prevented violations like the standing army, the tyranny of the judicial branch, the tyranny of the executive branch and deep state, the corruption of the legislative branch, etc. I struggle to find any major calamity since 1776 that didn’t have Constitutional abrogation as it’s proximate cause and which 2A could not have remedied (if not other more peaceable means first).

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    I'm actually more focused on the fact that the constitutional convention was a coup The representatives had a mandate, of sorts, to make some amendments to the Articles of Confederation. Instead, a group of them wanted to throw out the Articles and create a federal government as established in a new constitution.

    It's obvious that a vaguely worded document that contained no means of enforcement for its articles is designed to allow people in government who want power to gain the power they want. The constitution allows no real input by citizens into the processes of government other than the privilege of voting.

    It was a coup.
    , @Maple Curtain
    Eternal vigilance is a better guarantor of a people's rights than is idol worship - the belief that a piece of paper (i.e. the Constitution) can guarantee your rights is straightforward idol worship.

    However, a people grown soft are not vigilant.

    Having said that, the Constitution was flawed in many ways, including that it did not expressly provide for an orderly exit by states grown weary of the union.

    Oh, that and the fact that a 'bill of rights' embedded in a constitution is a guarantor of judicial tyranny not rule 'of, for, and by, the people.'
    , @jacques sheete

    But has the world produced anything better?
     
    I promise, I would never answer you in a smart ass manner, and in all seriousness, my answer is that it depends on the goal.

    In the case at hand, I think the Articles of Confederation were better than what we were finally saddled with, although they could have benefitted from a tweak here and there. Then there's the Swiss Confederacy, which in my ignorance about it still seems to be better than what we've wound up with.

    But then, who's to disagree with sentiments like these?


    “…crimes are very rare among [the Indians]: insomuch that were it made a question, whether no law, as among the [Indian] Americans, or too much law, as among the civilized Europeans, submits man to the greatest evil, one who has seen both conditions of existence would pronounce it to be the last: and that the sheep are happier of themselves, than under care of the wolves. It will be said, that great societies cannot exist without government. [the Indians] therefore break them into small ones."

    Thomas Jefferson, "Notes on the State of Virginia," Query XI, 1787
     


    "Societies exist under three forms, sufficiently distinguishable: 1) without government, as among our Indians; 2) under governments wherein the will of everyone has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree and in our States in a great one; 3) under governments of force, as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics ... It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the first condition is not the best.

    Thomas Jefferson, Letter to James Madison, Paris, January 30, 1787
     

    I don't have to inform a man of your ability to think that nothing is ideal, but in my case, I find myself less and less impressed with the rewards of the slavery (and fraud) mislabeled as "civilization" and have gladly and happily dispensed with many modern baubles to evade the yoke imposed by them.

    It's an old problem. Organized thievery has often ended in slavery and unfortunately any apparent freedom is doomed. Sallust, the Roman historian who amassed great (and illicit) wealth from his governorship of Africa, considered the Libyans and Gaetuli of North Africa as a


    "rude and uncivilized tribe…governed neither by customs, laws, nor the authority of any ruler.”
    Sallust, The Jugurthine War

    John Selby Watson, Rev. John Selby Watson, M.A., Ed
    Chap18, p1
    http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.02.0126:chapter=18&highlight=uncivilized


     

    Funny that he should call them rude and uncivilized...
    , @jacques sheete

    But has the world produced anything better?

     

    I hope you don't feel I'm belaboring the point, but I thought you might be interested in this, which could be considered a reply.:

    The basis of all ancient and modem confederacies is the freedom and the independency of the states composing it…Has Holland or Switzerland ever complained of the equality of the states which compose their respective confederacies? Bern and Zurich are larger than the remaining eleven cantons; so of many of the states of Germany; and yet, their governments were not complained of. Bern alone might usurp the whole power of the Helvetic confederacy, but she is contented still with being equal.

    -Luther Martin, Secret proceedings and debates of the convention assembled at Philadelphia, in the year 1787, p193.
    https://archive.org/stream/secretproceedin00convgoog/secretproceedin00convgoog_djvu.txt
     

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  203. @jacques sheete
    Thanks!

    I spent some time this AM trying to access his articles, but failed before I had to attend to other things.

    Can you provide any good links? Sounds very interesting to me.

    After I learned about what chattel slavery was and how the Indians were treated I pretty much lost all respect for Western "culture" "civilization" "superiority" and "authority." When it dawned on me that the ruling elite sided with the Bolshies, that clinched my opinion.

    Then I started digging into the origins of the constitution and found that even the poor saps who fought the Revolution were being set up to be screwed over by it. Revulsion of the system in no way describes the depth of my loathing for the system or the apologists for it.

    Thanks!

    Well, Jim died in 2016. His writings are still archived here and there. I never met him in person, though I talked with him on an online chat once, back about 1998 or 99. We had a mutual acquaintance , another Ojibwe author, who had just spent the weekend with me here.

    I liked Jim’s writings. Some indian authors are pretty bitter and angry, but he wasn’t.

    http://nativeamerican-authors.com/northrup.html

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  204. @jacques sheete
    In case 2Ds sees this, I hit a treasure trove

    http://admin.pinejournal.com/tags/fond-du-lac-follies

    Thanks, Jacques.

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    Back at ya, Sir!
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  205. @Rich
    I'm not sure you understand what a "straw man argument" is, but you did miss my point completely. The availability of weapons isn't going to stop someone who is determined to damage.

    And you're right, you didn't mention knives, matches, gasoline, bats, sharp sticks, etc., I did, so I'll give you a couple points for noticing who mentioned them. In case you're interested, that was because of your implication that we should make it more difficult to get guns to prevent madmen from committing mayhem. Mayhem can easily be committed with a slew of things other than guns.

    A straw man argument is when you accuse your opponent of doing something quite beside the point or irrelevant, like “Do you really think we should take away all dangerous weapons? Weapons like knives, matches and gasoline? Baseball bats, too? What about sharp sticks?”

    So, no. I do not “really think” something I never suggested or even mentioned.

    I “really think” guns and especially assault weapons should be forcibly and progressively removed from circulation and destroyed. I think the rancid idea that teachers should carry guns to protect the class from AR-15 assault weapons in the hands of massacre-bent gun-loving deadshits is about as dumb as dirt.

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  206. Rich says:

    I asked if you thought we should take away dangerous weapons, apparently you believe guns to be dangerous weapons, so you are agreeing with my point. That is not a straw man. I am trying to show you that your belief that taking guns out of the hands of the law abiding citizen, will in any way prevent madmen from committing mayhem and murder. I am extending your argument to its logical conclusion. I am aware that some people, especially leftists, are incapable of understanding logic.

    Do you really not understand that anyone intent on committing mass murder will find a way to do it, whether by gun, bomb, fire or flood? Really? You can’t comprehend that? You do know it was completely illegal for the 9-11 terrorists to hijack those planes and murder all those people, don’t you? Making something illegal doesn’t prevent it.

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    The idea that people are more safe with more people carrying loaded guns is simply silly. It relies on the dubious expectation that there are "good guys" who would shoot a person who was apparently a "bad guy". In reality there would be two or more shooters, one of them (with an AR-15) likely prepared and expecting to die, the other(s) (with hand guns) full of adrenaline. In a cinema, how can any of them miss? More likely, the "good guys" with good guns" make a mess of it.

    If a cinema has a no guns policy, it needs to be compulsory. Simply having a sign is pointless. An armed guard at the entrance with a hand-held metal detector would surely be better than relying on someone in the crowd being brave and lucky.

    How do you stop some gun-loving deadshit from carrying legal semi-automatic weapons into a luxury hotel and opening fire on the people below? Only by taking the guns away beforehand, surely.

    The problem is you guys. Paranoid, gun-loving, attention-seeking, death-wishing, cowardly deadshits. These killers come from you.
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  207. Eagle Eye says:
    @RadicalCenter
    No enhanced voting rights for the military. HELL NO. It would make more sense to bar them, like all federal government employees, from voting in federal elections.

    Agree that active military – like everyone else getting government bennies – should never be allowed to vote. Same for anyone getting a military pension (maybe a carve-out for those over 65).

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  208. @jacques sheete

    Luckily I left the mad house sometime ago never ever to return
     
    Glad you could pull it off. I'd do the same if I could convince family to come along.

    This country is one pathetic (bleep) hole, and getting progressively irredeemable thanks largely to the Izzy first fanatics and their stupid goy (bleep ) buddies.

    It’s isn’t so difficult if you are into tech to move into Eastern Europe (if with a little less dough but with a still quite homogeneous society) or the far east for that matter.

    Although Japan is still politically a US colony for all practical purposes, socially it is nothing like the west. Even Hong Kong and Singapore is chock full of ‘Muricans if you see. Soon enough these parts will surpass the states technically even with the busload of Indians and Chinese settling on the coasts and now increasingly buying properties.

    So although a big decision but quite doable. The west is surely going to get a lot more worse and dystopian in the not so distant future just like the Izzy firsters want. SO now is still the chance. Perhaps like stalinist Russia, they’d even restrict foreign travel to “enemy nations” if they feel so

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    We spend a fair amount of time in Asia from Japan to Singapore and West to Thailand and Cambodia, but most of our people are in the US, which is what keeps us, for the time being, in this Izzy-first nuthouse.


    Thank you for the insights.

    I don't know if yer into vids but I just stumbled across this and think Molyneaux has some good ideas. I agree that we in the US are in the final stages of enslavement with the vast bulk of the masses completely brainwashed ( a 2 century long process) with the results he describes.

    A tad maudlin here and there, but pretty good, overall.

    The story of your enslavement
    https://youtu.be/Xbp6umQT58A

     

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  209. As with the Vegas massacre, I am left to ask of otherwise very skeptical people:

    Why do you believe that the individual identified by ‘the authorities’ (i.e Paddock, Cruz) was the shooter?

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  210. @Stan d Mute
    You two are perfect example of why I prefer Unz to any other site. Well, to be fair Ron and his incredible collection of writers are another. But reasoned discussion happens here and it’s simple to make trolls vanish.

    By the way, Hamilton did settle his disagreements with a gun, just not to his own satisfaction.

    Anyway, you seem focused on what the Constitution might have been had it been better while I’m more interested in how great it was or could have been had it not been so horribly corrupted by those in power. Our Framers clearly knew the greatest risk lay in unbridled power and specifically delimited that power plus provided the failsafe of 2A. Perfect, no it wasn’t, clearly. But has the world produced anything better? 2A could have, should have, prevented violations like the standing army, the tyranny of the judicial branch, the tyranny of the executive branch and deep state, the corruption of the legislative branch, etc. I struggle to find any major calamity since 1776 that didn’t have Constitutional abrogation as it’s proximate cause and which 2A could not have remedied (if not other more peaceable means first).

    I’m actually more focused on the fact that the constitutional convention was a coup The representatives had a mandate, of sorts, to make some amendments to the Articles of Confederation. Instead, a group of them wanted to throw out the Articles and create a federal government as established in a new constitution.

    It’s obvious that a vaguely worded document that contained no means of enforcement for its articles is designed to allow people in government who want power to gain the power they want. The constitution allows no real input by citizens into the processes of government other than the privilege of voting.

    It was a coup.

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    no means of enforcement for its articles
     
    2A was explicitly intended as an enforcement mechanism.

    No standing army and the People had all the “arms” is the very definition of enforcement isn’t it? What good would it do to have a government enforced by itself?

    Although I will say this, my son stopped needing spankings almost immediately after I began requiring him to specify how many whacks a rule infraction required me to deliver.

    If you think about average people as immature children, I think it provides insight into what is needed in governance and supervision of governance.

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  211. @Stan d Mute
    You two are perfect example of why I prefer Unz to any other site. Well, to be fair Ron and his incredible collection of writers are another. But reasoned discussion happens here and it’s simple to make trolls vanish.

    By the way, Hamilton did settle his disagreements with a gun, just not to his own satisfaction.

    Anyway, you seem focused on what the Constitution might have been had it been better while I’m more interested in how great it was or could have been had it not been so horribly corrupted by those in power. Our Framers clearly knew the greatest risk lay in unbridled power and specifically delimited that power plus provided the failsafe of 2A. Perfect, no it wasn’t, clearly. But has the world produced anything better? 2A could have, should have, prevented violations like the standing army, the tyranny of the judicial branch, the tyranny of the executive branch and deep state, the corruption of the legislative branch, etc. I struggle to find any major calamity since 1776 that didn’t have Constitutional abrogation as it’s proximate cause and which 2A could not have remedied (if not other more peaceable means first).

    Eternal vigilance is a better guarantor of a people’s rights than is idol worship – the belief that a piece of paper (i.e. the Constitution) can guarantee your rights is straightforward idol worship.

    However, a people grown soft are not vigilant.

    Having said that, the Constitution was flawed in many ways, including that it did not expressly provide for an orderly exit by states grown weary of the union.

    Oh, that and the fact that a ‘bill of rights’ embedded in a constitution is a guarantor of judicial tyranny not rule ‘of, for, and by, the people.’

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    Oh, that and the fact that a ‘bill of rights’ embedded in a constitution is a guarantor of judicial tyranny not rule ‘of, for, and by, the people.’
     
    I seem innately wired to reduce things to their most basic level. This served me very well throughout my career. The Framers crafted a document akin to me telling my kid, “You may walk to school, you may not run, you may not deviate from my designated route, you may do nothing along the way that I have not explicitly told you that you may do, and if you displease me in any manner whatever I will beat the living shit out of you with a large stick.”

    Given the general stupidity of the average white man (as contrasted to abject stupidity of nearly all others), this seems to me about the best one can do. Where we failed catastrophically was in not delivering the appropriate punishments at the appropriate times.
    , @Twodees Partain
    The "flaws" were inherent in the constitution by design. This became clear during the first presidential administration under the new constitution. Washington immediately started in with his "energy in the executive" ideas, and Hamilton, as Sec'Treas, started advancing his plan for a central bank, and other schemes of his, using his doctrine of implied powers.

    From the first, Hamilton ignored the 9th and 10th amendments and argued that whatever the Constitution didn't expressly prohibit was allowed. Comparing his actions after the ratification to what he did as SoT gave lie to all his rhetoric in the Federalist Papers that are so widely hailed today.

    Hamilton was a scheming traitor and it's too bad that Burr or someone else didn't kill him as soon as he took office in the treasury department. The Constitution instituted The United States, nullifying the confederacy that existed. The very word "confederacy" has been decried as tantamount to treason ever since.
    , @jacques sheete

    Eternal vigilance is a better guarantor of a people’s rights than is idol worship ...
     
    My sentiments tend that way as well.

    If liberty (or the absence of slavery ) is the goal, then no system can be devised to maintain it because essential liberties must be surrendered in order to maintain any system, and the framers and opposers of the constitution discussed the unavoidable fact. Unfortunately, they took what seems to have been the easy way out, which "just happened" to favor the moneyed elite of the time (there were no good answers, and still are not), and laid the ground for the de facto ownership we labor under today.


    They were warned.:


    But, Sir, the question is … whether [some states] shall have superiority of power and influence over the other States, and have a constitutional right to domineer and lord it over them. Nay, more, whether we will agree to a form of government, by which we pledge …and, with our blood and wealth, to assist some states… to preserve the inhabitants thereof under their subjection, for the purpose of increasing their superiority over us, — of gratifying their unjust ambition, — in a word, for the purpose of giving ourselves masters, and of riveting our chains !

    -Luther Martin, Secret proceedings and debates of the convention assembled at Philadelphia, in the year 1787, p89. (His report of the General Convention of 1787 as delivered to the legislature of the State of Maryland)
    https://archive.org/stream/secretproceedin00convgoog/secretproceedin00convgoog_djvu.txt
     

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  212. @Rich
    I asked if you thought we should take away dangerous weapons, apparently you believe guns to be dangerous weapons, so you are agreeing with my point. That is not a straw man. I am trying to show you that your belief that taking guns out of the hands of the law abiding citizen, will in any way prevent madmen from committing mayhem and murder. I am extending your argument to its logical conclusion. I am aware that some people, especially leftists, are incapable of understanding logic.

    Do you really not understand that anyone intent on committing mass murder will find a way to do it, whether by gun, bomb, fire or flood? Really? You can't comprehend that? You do know it was completely illegal for the 9-11 terrorists to hijack those planes and murder all those people, don't you? Making something illegal doesn't prevent it.

    The idea that people are more safe with more people carrying loaded guns is simply silly. It relies on the dubious expectation that there are “good guys” who would shoot a person who was apparently a “bad guy”. In reality there would be two or more shooters, one of them (with an AR-15) likely prepared and expecting to die, the other(s) (with hand guns) full of adrenaline. In a cinema, how can any of them miss? More likely, the “good guys” with good guns” make a mess of it.

    If a cinema has a no guns policy, it needs to be compulsory. Simply having a sign is pointless. An armed guard at the entrance with a hand-held metal detector would surely be better than relying on someone in the crowd being brave and lucky.

    How do you stop some gun-loving deadshit from carrying legal semi-automatic weapons into a luxury hotel and opening fire on the people below? Only by taking the guns away beforehand, surely.

    The problem is you guys. Paranoid, gun-loving, attention-seeking, death-wishing, cowardly deadshits. These killers come from you.

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    Wow. You'd put an armed guard with a wand at every public event? Sounds a little expensive.
    On Jan 22, 2017, at a mall in San Antonio a citizen shot and injured two robbers who'd just shot a civilian. In Aurora Colorado, a crazed gunmen was shot by someone with a gun after he opened fire at a Church. In Salt Lake City a gunman in a mall was pinned down by fire from a citizen with a gun before he could carry out his plans for mass murder. In Pennsylvania a doctor with a gun was able to kill a deranged man who started killing people at the clinic he was working at. In Chicago an Uber driver shot and killed a man who'd begun shooting into a crowd. In Spartanburg, SC, an armed parishioner pulled his gun on a man who'd entered his Church with a gun and held him for police. In 2009 Sean Barner was able to pull a gun on two men intent on raping and murdering people at a party in Georgia, killing one and injuring the other. A civilian was able to shoot and kill a murderer who'd shot four people, killing two, in a crowded bar in Nevada. The list of people defending themselves and others is endless. You'd have left all these people to die, because you actually believe that the villains will turn in their guns right along with the law abiding citizens. There are plenty of places in the world where citizens aren't allowed to own guns, maybe you should consider moving there. Or getting enough votes to overturn the 2nd Amendment.
    , @Jonathan Mason

    The problem is you guys. Paranoid, gun-loving, attention-seeking, death-wishing, cowardly deadshits. These killers come from you.
     
    Exactly. Some of the posters on this board are expressing ideas that do not sound much different from the kind of notions that fueled McVeigh, Nichols, and Fortier.
    , @Stan d Mute

    The idea that people are more safe with more people carrying loaded guns is simply silly.
     
    The idea that life is “safe” is one children (who aren’t retarded) abandon shortly after kindergarten.

    The idea that free men can be free and safe is the realm of fantasy novels. Obviously you need to turn off your computer and go out into the wilderness (without a gun) for a reminder of how Nature really works.
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  213. Corvinus says:
    @jacques sheete
    My fine bird, you are clearly clueless as well as hopeless.

    I'm done. Have a nice day now!

    So typical of you to run away rather than answer a relatively easy question–Why on earth would normies give up their liberties such as voting merely because YOU say they lack the intellect and foresight to “properly’ exercise them?

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  214. Corvinus says:
    @SolontoCroesus
    Nobody "serves" in the military, they apply for employment- and become hired by government agencies.
    They have full knowledge beforehand that their job will be to kill and destroy on command.

    In no conceivable way are "patriots" ensuring my "security" when they batter down doors to homes in Iraq and spray bullets from their assault-weapons/WMD-that-only-military-should-be-allowed-to-use.

    Inasmuch as the Iraq war has, for several years, been labeled a "blunder" and "illegitimate," for which Bush, etc. should be arrested and tried at Hague, any military person who participates in that illegitimate war is acting equally immorally and illegitimately and should be subject to prosecution by the same court of international justice.

    They are not heroes or patriots just because they wear uniforms and are heavily trained to use very expensive and very lethal weapons.

    It is astonishing that the American sheeple allow themselves to silo murderous militarism from gun violence among psychologically immature (at best) teenagers.

    How many times do teenagers hear their 'leaders' and media / propagandist say "Thank you for your service" to people who kill other innocent people, and justify it because they wear a uniform?

    They are hirelings, hired to kill and destroy.

    Don't feed those Trolls.

    “Nobody “serves” in the military, they apply for employment- and become hired by government agencies. They have full knowledge beforehand that their job will be to kill and destroy on command.”

    In reality, men and women volunteer to offer up their services to the armed forces. They serve their nation and are willing, if needed, to die for it. Members of the our military and perform a variety of task; as a result of their service, they receive compensation. Some of these fields are specific to the military, while others are equivalent to civilian occupations. These patriotic citizens execute missions deemed critical to our national security. Assuredly, we can debate whether or not political decisions to go to war or use the armed forces for particular missions are justifiable.

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  215. Rich says:
    @Not_one_of_You
    The idea that people are more safe with more people carrying loaded guns is simply silly. It relies on the dubious expectation that there are "good guys" who would shoot a person who was apparently a "bad guy". In reality there would be two or more shooters, one of them (with an AR-15) likely prepared and expecting to die, the other(s) (with hand guns) full of adrenaline. In a cinema, how can any of them miss? More likely, the "good guys" with good guns" make a mess of it.

    If a cinema has a no guns policy, it needs to be compulsory. Simply having a sign is pointless. An armed guard at the entrance with a hand-held metal detector would surely be better than relying on someone in the crowd being brave and lucky.

    How do you stop some gun-loving deadshit from carrying legal semi-automatic weapons into a luxury hotel and opening fire on the people below? Only by taking the guns away beforehand, surely.

    The problem is you guys. Paranoid, gun-loving, attention-seeking, death-wishing, cowardly deadshits. These killers come from you.

    Wow. You’d put an armed guard with a wand at every public event? Sounds a little expensive.
    On Jan 22, 2017, at a mall in San Antonio a citizen shot and injured two robbers who’d just shot a civilian. In Aurora Colorado, a crazed gunmen was shot by someone with a gun after he opened fire at a Church. In Salt Lake City a gunman in a mall was pinned down by fire from a citizen with a gun before he could carry out his plans for mass murder. In Pennsylvania a doctor with a gun was able to kill a deranged man who started killing people at the clinic he was working at. In Chicago an Uber driver shot and killed a man who’d begun shooting into a crowd. In Spartanburg, SC, an armed parishioner pulled his gun on a man who’d entered his Church with a gun and held him for police. In 2009 Sean Barner was able to pull a gun on two men intent on raping and murdering people at a party in Georgia, killing one and injuring the other. A civilian was able to shoot and kill a murderer who’d shot four people, killing two, in a crowded bar in Nevada. The list of people defending themselves and others is endless. You’d have left all these people to die, because you actually believe that the villains will turn in their guns right along with the law abiding citizens. There are plenty of places in the world where citizens aren’t allowed to own guns, maybe you should consider moving there. Or getting enough votes to overturn the 2nd Amendment.

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    Liberal views are not based on the observation of reality, they are based on wishful thinking and ideology. One always ends up at a loss of words when trying to have a logical argument with a liberal. Their logic is never common sense logic, it's always ideological, even when it appears scientific it's because science in that particular instance happens to fit their ideology.
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  216. @Philip Owen
    30 would be better. The peak age for armed murder is 27 in the US.

    And the peak RACE for unlawful homocide by firearm?

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  217. Those were seven “good guys” who achieved success and congratulations to them. Not exactly “endless” numbers though.

    What about the more than 1.4 million US citizens killed by guns from 1968 to today?

    As for the 2nd amendment:

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”.

    Simply apply the 2nd amendment entirely and in its original meaning. No need to repeal anything, just imprison all the swamp dwellers who lobby for the guns and gun manufacturers, then go back to the true meaning. Even Trump could do it by executive order.

    Rich, as for your “my way or the highway” invitation, I would like to extend the same to you.

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    Read a little about the 2nd amendment and it's meaning. Believe it or not, we have records from when it was adopted and what it meant. And it meant that the common people were allowed to own weapons. Though I'm sure you lefties will ignore all that and twist it to mean what you want it to mean if you ever get the chance. You should also read a little about the Soviet Union and find out what happened to even those who thought they were on the same side as the communists. Plenty of lefties died in the Gulag right next to the sane people.

    You have revealed yourself as a communist with your wish to imprison those who disagree with you, and who follow the law as it was interpreted from the day it was written. Difference between a leftist and a sane person, is that the leftie wants to force everyone to do what he wants,and imprison those who disagree. A sane person just wants to be left alone.

    I'm already in a country that respects the right of the people to bear arms. If you Bolsheviks ever gain power, I guess I'll have to consider leaving.
    , @Eagle Eye

    What about the more than 1.4 million US citizens killed by guns from 1968 to today?
     
    Another Cult-Marx LIE.

    Current homicides by gun are about 13,000 per year. Extrapolating over 50 years (since 1968), this comes to about 650,000. And of course a large proportion (probably more than half) is fellow criminals offing each other.

    Or are you trying to pull a fast one on us by counting SUICIDES (commonly seen in MSM)? That is not what American readers understand by "killed by guns." In other words, a LIE.

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  218. Biff says:
    @jacques sheete

    Fawlty Towers
     
    I'm not into popular entertainment, so you've rendered me completely clueless. Never heard of it til I googled it and am not about to investigate further. Sorry.

    Some people have no sense of humor.

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  219. @Not_one_of_You
    The idea that people are more safe with more people carrying loaded guns is simply silly. It relies on the dubious expectation that there are "good guys" who would shoot a person who was apparently a "bad guy". In reality there would be two or more shooters, one of them (with an AR-15) likely prepared and expecting to die, the other(s) (with hand guns) full of adrenaline. In a cinema, how can any of them miss? More likely, the "good guys" with good guns" make a mess of it.

    If a cinema has a no guns policy, it needs to be compulsory. Simply having a sign is pointless. An armed guard at the entrance with a hand-held metal detector would surely be better than relying on someone in the crowd being brave and lucky.

    How do you stop some gun-loving deadshit from carrying legal semi-automatic weapons into a luxury hotel and opening fire on the people below? Only by taking the guns away beforehand, surely.

    The problem is you guys. Paranoid, gun-loving, attention-seeking, death-wishing, cowardly deadshits. These killers come from you.

    The problem is you guys. Paranoid, gun-loving, attention-seeking, death-wishing, cowardly deadshits. These killers come from you.

    Exactly. Some of the posters on this board are expressing ideas that do not sound much different from the kind of notions that fueled McVeigh, Nichols, and Fortier.

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  220. Serious question here:
    These “survivors” – what, exactly, did they survive? Take that David Hogg brat, for example. Was he even in the same building when the killings took place? What about the other weeping kiddies? Where were they?
    I mean, to be a “survivor” one ought to have at least been threatened, if not attacked. If I was once present on the same campus where a murder took place, am I a survivor?

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  221. Vojkan says:
    @Rich
    Wow. You'd put an armed guard with a wand at every public event? Sounds a little expensive.
    On Jan 22, 2017, at a mall in San Antonio a citizen shot and injured two robbers who'd just shot a civilian. In Aurora Colorado, a crazed gunmen was shot by someone with a gun after he opened fire at a Church. In Salt Lake City a gunman in a mall was pinned down by fire from a citizen with a gun before he could carry out his plans for mass murder. In Pennsylvania a doctor with a gun was able to kill a deranged man who started killing people at the clinic he was working at. In Chicago an Uber driver shot and killed a man who'd begun shooting into a crowd. In Spartanburg, SC, an armed parishioner pulled his gun on a man who'd entered his Church with a gun and held him for police. In 2009 Sean Barner was able to pull a gun on two men intent on raping and murdering people at a party in Georgia, killing one and injuring the other. A civilian was able to shoot and kill a murderer who'd shot four people, killing two, in a crowded bar in Nevada. The list of people defending themselves and others is endless. You'd have left all these people to die, because you actually believe that the villains will turn in their guns right along with the law abiding citizens. There are plenty of places in the world where citizens aren't allowed to own guns, maybe you should consider moving there. Or getting enough votes to overturn the 2nd Amendment.

    Liberal views are not based on the observation of reality, they are based on wishful thinking and ideology. One always ends up at a loss of words when trying to have a logical argument with a liberal. Their logic is never common sense logic, it’s always ideological, even when it appears scientific it’s because science in that particular instance happens to fit their ideology.

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  222. @Maple Curtain
    Eternal vigilance is a better guarantor of a people's rights than is idol worship - the belief that a piece of paper (i.e. the Constitution) can guarantee your rights is straightforward idol worship.

    However, a people grown soft are not vigilant.

    Having said that, the Constitution was flawed in many ways, including that it did not expressly provide for an orderly exit by states grown weary of the union.

    Oh, that and the fact that a 'bill of rights' embedded in a constitution is a guarantor of judicial tyranny not rule 'of, for, and by, the people.'

    Oh, that and the fact that a ‘bill of rights’ embedded in a constitution is a guarantor of judicial tyranny not rule ‘of, for, and by, the people.’

    I seem innately wired to reduce things to their most basic level. This served me very well throughout my career. The Framers crafted a document akin to me telling my kid, “You may walk to school, you may not run, you may not deviate from my designated route, you may do nothing along the way that I have not explicitly told you that you may do, and if you displease me in any manner whatever I will beat the living shit out of you with a large stick.”

    Given the general stupidity of the average white man (as contrasted to abject stupidity of nearly all others), this seems to me about the best one can do. Where we failed catastrophically was in not delivering the appropriate punishments at the appropriate times.

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    " The Framers crafted a document akin to me telling my kid, “You may walk to school, you may not run, you may not deviate from my designated route, you may do nothing along the way that I have not explicitly told you that you may do, and if you displease me in any manner whatever I will beat the living shit out of you with a large stick.”"

    No, they didn't. They crafted an overly verbose document which left federal powers vague and undefined, thus the need for those 10 amendments (the BOR) which were supposed to be definite. Those amendments were apparently written by the same scheming legalists who wrote the original, and contained the same overly verbose language which leaves them open to so much interpretation, and still those same framers proceeded to ignore them once their creation had been ratified.

    You can't find any language in their creation that is the same as what you set out for your kid, particularly the part about beating with a stick. It's vague where clarity is needed, and no remedies for the governed are included at all.

    , @jacques sheete

    Where we failed catastrophically was in not delivering the appropriate punishments at the appropriate times.
     
    Oddly enough that very argument was used as a criticism of that Articles of Confederation by the advocates of the national constitution.

    The new thing was never intended to be used except to keep the little guy down, and to grant free rein (toothless limits) to the ruling "elite."

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  223. @Twodees Partain
    Thanks, Jacques.

    Back at ya, Sir!

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  224. @Twodees Partain
    I'm actually more focused on the fact that the constitutional convention was a coup The representatives had a mandate, of sorts, to make some amendments to the Articles of Confederation. Instead, a group of them wanted to throw out the Articles and create a federal government as established in a new constitution.

    It's obvious that a vaguely worded document that contained no means of enforcement for its articles is designed to allow people in government who want power to gain the power they want. The constitution allows no real input by citizens into the processes of government other than the privilege of voting.

    It was a coup.

    no means of enforcement for its articles

    2A was explicitly intended as an enforcement mechanism.

    No standing army and the People had all the “arms” is the very definition of enforcement isn’t it? What good would it do to have a government enforced by itself?

    Although I will say this, my son stopped needing spankings almost immediately after I began requiring him to specify how many whacks a rule infraction required me to deliver.

    If you think about average people as immature children, I think it provides insight into what is needed in governance and supervision of governance.

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    "2A was explicitly intended as an enforcement mechanism."

    Maybe that was the intention of the representatives who insisted on it, but it was written in weasel wording that also failed to provide enforcement. Where is the statement, "on pain of removal from office"? The wording allows for endless interpretation, which was always the intention of those who provided the language of the amendment.

    The language used in the 2nd amendment doesn't even hint at "no standing army", and doesn't prescribe "enforcement by government" or by anyone else.
    , @jacques sheete

    2A was explicitly intended as an enforcement mechanism.
     
    I think that was the idea of those who insisted on it, but the sentiment was far from unanimous. It probably had to be tossed in to mollify the resisters in order to get the thing ratified. It was a struggle, and it was probably grudgingly added knowing that it could, like the rest of the thing, be ignored or subverted, or even abrogated, by other means.
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  225. @HogHappenin
    It's isn't so difficult if you are into tech to move into Eastern Europe (if with a little less dough but with a still quite homogeneous society) or the far east for that matter.

    Although Japan is still politically a US colony for all practical purposes, socially it is nothing like the west. Even Hong Kong and Singapore is chock full of 'Muricans if you see. Soon enough these parts will surpass the states technically even with the busload of Indians and Chinese settling on the coasts and now increasingly buying properties.

    So although a big decision but quite doable. The west is surely going to get a lot more worse and dystopian in the not so distant future just like the Izzy firsters want. SO now is still the chance. Perhaps like stalinist Russia, they'd even restrict foreign travel to "enemy nations" if they feel so

    We spend a fair amount of time in Asia from Japan to Singapore and West to Thailand and Cambodia, but most of our people are in the US, which is what keeps us, for the time being, in this Izzy-first nuthouse.

    Thank you for the insights.

    I don’t know if yer into vids but I just stumbled across this and think Molyneaux has some good ideas. I agree that we in the US are in the final stages of enslavement with the vast bulk of the masses completely brainwashed ( a 2 century long process) with the results he describes.

    A tad maudlin here and there, but pretty good, overall.

    The story of your enslavement

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  226. @Not_one_of_You
    The idea that people are more safe with more people carrying loaded guns is simply silly. It relies on the dubious expectation that there are "good guys" who would shoot a person who was apparently a "bad guy". In reality there would be two or more shooters, one of them (with an AR-15) likely prepared and expecting to die, the other(s) (with hand guns) full of adrenaline. In a cinema, how can any of them miss? More likely, the "good guys" with good guns" make a mess of it.

    If a cinema has a no guns policy, it needs to be compulsory. Simply having a sign is pointless. An armed guard at the entrance with a hand-held metal detector would surely be better than relying on someone in the crowd being brave and lucky.

    How do you stop some gun-loving deadshit from carrying legal semi-automatic weapons into a luxury hotel and opening fire on the people below? Only by taking the guns away beforehand, surely.

    The problem is you guys. Paranoid, gun-loving, attention-seeking, death-wishing, cowardly deadshits. These killers come from you.

    The idea that people are more safe with more people carrying loaded guns is simply silly.

    The idea that life is “safe” is one children (who aren’t retarded) abandon shortly after kindergarten.

    The idea that free men can be free and safe is the realm of fantasy novels. Obviously you need to turn off your computer and go out into the wilderness (without a gun) for a reminder of how Nature really works.

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    Obviously you need to turn off your computer and go out into the wilderness (without a gun) for a reminder of how Nature really works.
     
    Great tonic for sure, and Spring is springin! Gonna get me a mess of ramps and nettles and what not, then it's 'shroom time!

    I got cabin fever real bad this year, and am about ready to explode!

    I only carry a weapon when I'm hunting game, but probably should at other times. Too much bother, and I've never really felt the need. (Yup, there are wolves, coyote,bobcat and black bear around, and not rare, either. Occasional and probably unreliable reports of mountain lions.)
    , @Not_one_of_You
    You seem to be entertaining a number of simultaneous and unrelated fantasies Stan.

    You invoke children and free men. Why? Just something to write I guess.

    You invoke Nature. Do you take an assault rifle when you are in the presence of Nature?
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  227. @Maple Curtain
    Eternal vigilance is a better guarantor of a people's rights than is idol worship - the belief that a piece of paper (i.e. the Constitution) can guarantee your rights is straightforward idol worship.

    However, a people grown soft are not vigilant.

    Having said that, the Constitution was flawed in many ways, including that it did not expressly provide for an orderly exit by states grown weary of the union.

    Oh, that and the fact that a 'bill of rights' embedded in a constitution is a guarantor of judicial tyranny not rule 'of, for, and by, the people.'

    The “flaws” were inherent in the constitution by design. This became clear during the first presidential administration under the new constitution. Washington immediately started in with his “energy in the executive” ideas, and Hamilton, as Sec’Treas, started advancing his plan for a central bank, and other schemes of his, using his doctrine of implied powers.

    From the first, Hamilton ignored the 9th and 10th amendments and argued that whatever the Constitution didn’t expressly prohibit was allowed. Comparing his actions after the ratification to what he did as SoT gave lie to all his rhetoric in the Federalist Papers that are so widely hailed today.

    Hamilton was a scheming traitor and it’s too bad that Burr or someone else didn’t kill him as soon as he took office in the treasury department. The Constitution instituted The United States, nullifying the confederacy that existed. The very word “confederacy” has been decried as tantamount to treason ever since.

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    Impressive exhibition of salient facts!

    The “flaws” were inherent in the constitution by design.
     
    Without a shred of doubt, true.
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  228. @Stan d Mute

    Oh, that and the fact that a ‘bill of rights’ embedded in a constitution is a guarantor of judicial tyranny not rule ‘of, for, and by, the people.’
     
    I seem innately wired to reduce things to their most basic level. This served me very well throughout my career. The Framers crafted a document akin to me telling my kid, “You may walk to school, you may not run, you may not deviate from my designated route, you may do nothing along the way that I have not explicitly told you that you may do, and if you displease me in any manner whatever I will beat the living shit out of you with a large stick.”

    Given the general stupidity of the average white man (as contrasted to abject stupidity of nearly all others), this seems to me about the best one can do. Where we failed catastrophically was in not delivering the appropriate punishments at the appropriate times.

    ” The Framers crafted a document akin to me telling my kid, “You may walk to school, you may not run, you may not deviate from my designated route, you may do nothing along the way that I have not explicitly told you that you may do, and if you displease me in any manner whatever I will beat the living shit out of you with a large stick.””

    No, they didn’t. They crafted an overly verbose document which left federal powers vague and undefined, thus the need for those 10 amendments (the BOR) which were supposed to be definite. Those amendments were apparently written by the same scheming legalists who wrote the original, and contained the same overly verbose language which leaves them open to so much interpretation, and still those same framers proceeded to ignore them once their creation had been ratified.

    You can’t find any language in their creation that is the same as what you set out for your kid, particularly the part about beating with a stick. It’s vague where clarity is needed, and no remedies for the governed are included at all.

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  229. @Stan d Mute

    no means of enforcement for its articles
     
    2A was explicitly intended as an enforcement mechanism.

    No standing army and the People had all the “arms” is the very definition of enforcement isn’t it? What good would it do to have a government enforced by itself?

    Although I will say this, my son stopped needing spankings almost immediately after I began requiring him to specify how many whacks a rule infraction required me to deliver.

    If you think about average people as immature children, I think it provides insight into what is needed in governance and supervision of governance.

    “2A was explicitly intended as an enforcement mechanism.”

    Maybe that was the intention of the representatives who insisted on it, but it was written in weasel wording that also failed to provide enforcement. Where is the statement, “on pain of removal from office”? The wording allows for endless interpretation, which was always the intention of those who provided the language of the amendment.

    The language used in the 2nd amendment doesn’t even hint at “no standing army”, and doesn’t prescribe “enforcement by government” or by anyone else.

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  230. @Stan d Mute
    You two are perfect example of why I prefer Unz to any other site. Well, to be fair Ron and his incredible collection of writers are another. But reasoned discussion happens here and it’s simple to make trolls vanish.

    By the way, Hamilton did settle his disagreements with a gun, just not to his own satisfaction.

    Anyway, you seem focused on what the Constitution might have been had it been better while I’m more interested in how great it was or could have been had it not been so horribly corrupted by those in power. Our Framers clearly knew the greatest risk lay in unbridled power and specifically delimited that power plus provided the failsafe of 2A. Perfect, no it wasn’t, clearly. But has the world produced anything better? 2A could have, should have, prevented violations like the standing army, the tyranny of the judicial branch, the tyranny of the executive branch and deep state, the corruption of the legislative branch, etc. I struggle to find any major calamity since 1776 that didn’t have Constitutional abrogation as it’s proximate cause and which 2A could not have remedied (if not other more peaceable means first).

    But has the world produced anything better?

    I promise, I would never answer you in a smart ass manner, and in all seriousness, my answer is that it depends on the goal.

    In the case at hand, I think the Articles of Confederation were better than what we were finally saddled with, although they could have benefitted from a tweak here and there. Then there’s the Swiss Confederacy, which in my ignorance about it still seems to be better than what we’ve wound up with.

    But then, who’s to disagree with sentiments like these?

    “…crimes are very rare among [the Indians]: insomuch that were it made a question, whether no law, as among the [Indian] Americans, or too much law, as among the civilized Europeans, submits man to the greatest evil, one who has seen both conditions of existence would pronounce it to be the last: and that the sheep are happier of themselves, than under care of the wolves. It will be said, that great societies cannot exist without government. [the Indians] therefore break them into small ones.”

    Thomas Jefferson, “Notes on the State of Virginia,” Query XI, 1787

    “Societies exist under three forms, sufficiently distinguishable: 1) without government, as among our Indians; 2) under governments wherein the will of everyone has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree and in our States in a great one; 3) under governments of force, as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics … It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the first condition is not the best.

    Thomas Jefferson, Letter to James Madison, Paris, January 30, 1787

    I don’t have to inform a man of your ability to think that nothing is ideal, but in my case, I find myself less and less impressed with the rewards of the slavery (and fraud) mislabeled as “civilization” and have gladly and happily dispensed with many modern baubles to evade the yoke imposed by them.

    It’s an old problem. Organized thievery has often ended in slavery and unfortunately any apparent freedom is doomed. Sallust, the Roman historian who amassed great (and illicit) wealth from his governorship of Africa, considered the Libyans and Gaetuli of North Africa as a

    “rude and uncivilized tribe…governed neither by customs, laws, nor the authority of any ruler.”
    Sallust, The Jugurthine War

    John Selby Watson, Rev. John Selby Watson, M.A., Ed
    Chap18, p1

    http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.02.0126:chapter=18&highlight=uncivilized

    Funny that he should call them rude and uncivilized…

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    Guys, you and @twodees, again, I have no disagreement that our Constitution is flawed. You both make the point well as have others such as here:

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/29/the-constitution-and-the-standing-army/

    But. And it’s an enormous But. Relitigating the Constitutional Convention and arguments of the anti-Federalists is of absolutely no practical value is it? We are today, right now, at risk of losing our last line of defense. Our common enemies have together less knowledge than either of you individually. Rather than a circular firing squad we need to stay focused on protecting what we have and not things we haven’t a prayer of changing.
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  231. @Maple Curtain
    Eternal vigilance is a better guarantor of a people's rights than is idol worship - the belief that a piece of paper (i.e. the Constitution) can guarantee your rights is straightforward idol worship.

    However, a people grown soft are not vigilant.

    Having said that, the Constitution was flawed in many ways, including that it did not expressly provide for an orderly exit by states grown weary of the union.

    Oh, that and the fact that a 'bill of rights' embedded in a constitution is a guarantor of judicial tyranny not rule 'of, for, and by, the people.'

    Eternal vigilance is a better guarantor of a people’s rights than is idol worship …

    My sentiments tend that way as well.

    If liberty (or the absence of slavery ) is the goal, then no system can be devised to maintain it because essential liberties must be surrendered in order to maintain any system, and the framers and opposers of the constitution discussed the unavoidable fact. Unfortunately, they took what seems to have been the easy way out, which “just happened” to favor the moneyed elite of the time (there were no good answers, and still are not), and laid the ground for the de facto ownership we labor under today.

    They were warned.:

    But, Sir, the question is … whether [some states] shall have superiority of power and influence over the other States, and have a constitutional right to domineer and lord it over them. Nay, more, whether we will agree to a form of government, by which we pledge …and, with our blood and wealth, to assist some states… to preserve the inhabitants thereof under their subjection, for the purpose of increasing their superiority over us, — of gratifying their unjust ambition, — in a word, for the purpose of giving ourselves masters, and of riveting our chains !

    -Luther Martin, Secret proceedings and debates of the convention assembled at Philadelphia, in the year 1787, p89. (His report of the General Convention of 1787 as delivered to the legislature of the State of Maryland)

    https://archive.org/stream/secretproceedin00convgoog/secretproceedin00convgoog_djvu.txt

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  232. @Twodees Partain
    The "flaws" were inherent in the constitution by design. This became clear during the first presidential administration under the new constitution. Washington immediately started in with his "energy in the executive" ideas, and Hamilton, as Sec'Treas, started advancing his plan for a central bank, and other schemes of his, using his doctrine of implied powers.

    From the first, Hamilton ignored the 9th and 10th amendments and argued that whatever the Constitution didn't expressly prohibit was allowed. Comparing his actions after the ratification to what he did as SoT gave lie to all his rhetoric in the Federalist Papers that are so widely hailed today.

    Hamilton was a scheming traitor and it's too bad that Burr or someone else didn't kill him as soon as he took office in the treasury department. The Constitution instituted The United States, nullifying the confederacy that existed. The very word "confederacy" has been decried as tantamount to treason ever since.

    Impressive exhibition of salient facts!

    The “flaws” were inherent in the constitution by design.

    Without a shred of doubt, true.

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  233. @Stan d Mute

    Oh, that and the fact that a ‘bill of rights’ embedded in a constitution is a guarantor of judicial tyranny not rule ‘of, for, and by, the people.’
     
    I seem innately wired to reduce things to their most basic level. This served me very well throughout my career. The Framers crafted a document akin to me telling my kid, “You may walk to school, you may not run, you may not deviate from my designated route, you may do nothing along the way that I have not explicitly told you that you may do, and if you displease me in any manner whatever I will beat the living shit out of you with a large stick.”

    Given the general stupidity of the average white man (as contrasted to abject stupidity of nearly all others), this seems to me about the best one can do. Where we failed catastrophically was in not delivering the appropriate punishments at the appropriate times.

    Where we failed catastrophically was in not delivering the appropriate punishments at the appropriate times.

    Oddly enough that very argument was used as a criticism of that Articles of Confederation by the advocates of the national constitution.

    The new thing was never intended to be used except to keep the little guy down, and to grant free rein (toothless limits) to the ruling “elite.”

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  234. @Stan d Mute

    no means of enforcement for its articles
     
    2A was explicitly intended as an enforcement mechanism.

    No standing army and the People had all the “arms” is the very definition of enforcement isn’t it? What good would it do to have a government enforced by itself?

    Although I will say this, my son stopped needing spankings almost immediately after I began requiring him to specify how many whacks a rule infraction required me to deliver.

    If you think about average people as immature children, I think it provides insight into what is needed in governance and supervision of governance.

    2A was explicitly intended as an enforcement mechanism.

    I think that was the idea of those who insisted on it, but the sentiment was far from unanimous. It probably had to be tossed in to mollify the resisters in order to get the thing ratified. It was a struggle, and it was probably grudgingly added knowing that it could, like the rest of the thing, be ignored or subverted, or even abrogated, by other means.

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  235. @Stan d Mute

    The idea that people are more safe with more people carrying loaded guns is simply silly.
     
    The idea that life is “safe” is one children (who aren’t retarded) abandon shortly after kindergarten.

    The idea that free men can be free and safe is the realm of fantasy novels. Obviously you need to turn off your computer and go out into the wilderness (without a gun) for a reminder of how Nature really works.

    Obviously you need to turn off your computer and go out into the wilderness (without a gun) for a reminder of how Nature really works.

    Great tonic for sure, and Spring is springin! Gonna get me a mess of ramps and nettles and what not, then it’s ‘shroom time!

    I got cabin fever real bad this year, and am about ready to explode!

    I only carry a weapon when I’m hunting game, but probably should at other times. Too much bother, and I’ve never really felt the need. (Yup, there are wolves, coyote,bobcat and black bear around, and not rare, either. Occasional and probably unreliable reports of mountain lions.)

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  236. @Stan d Mute
    You two are perfect example of why I prefer Unz to any other site. Well, to be fair Ron and his incredible collection of writers are another. But reasoned discussion happens here and it’s simple to make trolls vanish.

    By the way, Hamilton did settle his disagreements with a gun, just not to his own satisfaction.

    Anyway, you seem focused on what the Constitution might have been had it been better while I’m more interested in how great it was or could have been had it not been so horribly corrupted by those in power. Our Framers clearly knew the greatest risk lay in unbridled power and specifically delimited that power plus provided the failsafe of 2A. Perfect, no it wasn’t, clearly. But has the world produced anything better? 2A could have, should have, prevented violations like the standing army, the tyranny of the judicial branch, the tyranny of the executive branch and deep state, the corruption of the legislative branch, etc. I struggle to find any major calamity since 1776 that didn’t have Constitutional abrogation as it’s proximate cause and which 2A could not have remedied (if not other more peaceable means first).

    But has the world produced anything better?

    I hope you don’t feel I’m belaboring the point, but I thought you might be interested in this, which could be considered a reply.:

    The basis of all ancient and modem confederacies is the freedom and the independency of the states composing it…Has Holland or Switzerland ever complained of the equality of the states which compose their respective confederacies? Bern and Zurich are larger than the remaining eleven cantons; so of many of the states of Germany; and yet, their governments were not complained of. Bern alone might usurp the whole power of the Helvetic confederacy, but she is contented still with being equal.

    -Luther Martin, Secret proceedings and debates of the convention assembled at Philadelphia, in the year 1787, p193.

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  237. Rich says:
    @Not_one_of_You
    Those were seven "good guys" who achieved success and congratulations to them. Not exactly "endless" numbers though.

    What about the more than 1.4 million US citizens killed by guns from 1968 to today?

    As for the 2nd amendment:

    “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”.

    Simply apply the 2nd amendment entirely and in its original meaning. No need to repeal anything, just imprison all the swamp dwellers who lobby for the guns and gun manufacturers, then go back to the true meaning. Even Trump could do it by executive order.

    Rich, as for your "my way or the highway" invitation, I would like to extend the same to you.

    Read a little about the 2nd amendment and it’s meaning. Believe it or not, we have records from when it was adopted and what it meant. And it meant that the common people were allowed to own weapons. Though I’m sure you lefties will ignore all that and twist it to mean what you want it to mean if you ever get the chance. You should also read a little about the Soviet Union and find out what happened to even those who thought they were on the same side as the communists. Plenty of lefties died in the Gulag right next to the sane people.

    You have revealed yourself as a communist with your wish to imprison those who disagree with you, and who follow the law as it was interpreted from the day it was written. Difference between a leftist and a sane person, is that the leftie wants to force everyone to do what he wants,and imprison those who disagree. A sane person just wants to be left alone.

    I’m already in a country that respects the right of the people to bear arms. If you Bolsheviks ever gain power, I guess I’ll have to consider leaving.

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    In the 2nd amendment, the first words are "A well-regulated militia".

    Now snakes like La Pierre may have twisted that to mean unregulated individual civilians, acting in no common interest, have the absolute right to own, carry and use guns of all sorts, in all situations, but the central concept of the 2nd amendment didn't say that or else the meaning of precise words is no longer something of substance.

    You have used the "my way or the highway line". Now the name-calling comes. You have no intellect or honour.

    I don't know why I'm debating with people who are slandering the children who were terrorized and had their friends killed in a place of education by a gun-loving cretin.
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  238. @jacques sheete

    But has the world produced anything better?
     
    I promise, I would never answer you in a smart ass manner, and in all seriousness, my answer is that it depends on the goal.

    In the case at hand, I think the Articles of Confederation were better than what we were finally saddled with, although they could have benefitted from a tweak here and there. Then there's the Swiss Confederacy, which in my ignorance about it still seems to be better than what we've wound up with.

    But then, who's to disagree with sentiments like these?


    “…crimes are very rare among [the Indians]: insomuch that were it made a question, whether no law, as among the [Indian] Americans, or too much law, as among the civilized Europeans, submits man to the greatest evil, one who has seen both conditions of existence would pronounce it to be the last: and that the sheep are happier of themselves, than under care of the wolves. It will be said, that great societies cannot exist without government. [the Indians] therefore break them into small ones."

    Thomas Jefferson, "Notes on the State of Virginia," Query XI, 1787
     


    "Societies exist under three forms, sufficiently distinguishable: 1) without government, as among our Indians; 2) under governments wherein the will of everyone has a just influence, as is the case in England in a slight degree and in our States in a great one; 3) under governments of force, as is the case in all other monarchies and in most of the other republics ... It is a problem, not clear in my mind, that the first condition is not the best.

    Thomas Jefferson, Letter to James Madison, Paris, January 30, 1787
     

    I don't have to inform a man of your ability to think that nothing is ideal, but in my case, I find myself less and less impressed with the rewards of the slavery (and fraud) mislabeled as "civilization" and have gladly and happily dispensed with many modern baubles to evade the yoke imposed by them.

    It's an old problem. Organized thievery has often ended in slavery and unfortunately any apparent freedom is doomed. Sallust, the Roman historian who amassed great (and illicit) wealth from his governorship of Africa, considered the Libyans and Gaetuli of North Africa as a


    "rude and uncivilized tribe…governed neither by customs, laws, nor the authority of any ruler.”
    Sallust, The Jugurthine War

    John Selby Watson, Rev. John Selby Watson, M.A., Ed
    Chap18, p1
    http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.02.0126:chapter=18&highlight=uncivilized


     

    Funny that he should call them rude and uncivilized...

    Guys, you and @twodees, again, I have no disagreement that our Constitution is flawed. You both make the point well as have others such as here:

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/29/the-constitution-and-the-standing-army/

    But. And it’s an enormous But. Relitigating the Constitutional Convention and arguments of the anti-Federalists is of absolutely no practical value is it? We are today, right now, at risk of losing our last line of defense. Our common enemies have together less knowledge than either of you individually. Rather than a circular firing squad we need to stay focused on protecting what we have and not things we haven’t a prayer of changing.

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    Coming to the realization that the constitution won't save us (and was never meant to) doesn't amount to a circular firing squad. Anyway, there's no political solution under the current system. Everybody can come to their own conclusions.
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  239. @Rich
    Read a little about the 2nd amendment and it's meaning. Believe it or not, we have records from when it was adopted and what it meant. And it meant that the common people were allowed to own weapons. Though I'm sure you lefties will ignore all that and twist it to mean what you want it to mean if you ever get the chance. You should also read a little about the Soviet Union and find out what happened to even those who thought they were on the same side as the communists. Plenty of lefties died in the Gulag right next to the sane people.

    You have revealed yourself as a communist with your wish to imprison those who disagree with you, and who follow the law as it was interpreted from the day it was written. Difference between a leftist and a sane person, is that the leftie wants to force everyone to do what he wants,and imprison those who disagree. A sane person just wants to be left alone.

    I'm already in a country that respects the right of the people to bear arms. If you Bolsheviks ever gain power, I guess I'll have to consider leaving.

    In the 2nd amendment, the first words are “A well-regulated militia”.

    Now snakes like La Pierre may have twisted that to mean unregulated individual civilians, acting in no common interest, have the absolute right to own, carry and use guns of all sorts, in all situations, but the central concept of the 2nd amendment didn’t say that or else the meaning of precise words is no longer something of substance.

    You have used the “my way or the highway line”. Now the name-calling comes. You have no intellect or honour.

    I don’t know why I’m debating with people who are slandering the children who were terrorized and had their friends killed in a place of education by a gun-loving cretin.

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    So let me get this straight, since thew founding of the Republic, since the adoption of the 2nd Amendment, it has always been interpreted as meaning the people have the right to own guns. Since day one. But now, you, an anonymous commenter, have discovered the real, secret meaning? Really? Have you ever read a history book? Do you think everyone is an idiot? You commies are the ones trying to twist the meaning of the 2nd Amendment, that's been accepted from the beginning.
    But go ahead. You've got millions of law abiding gun owners in this country, who like to hunt, maybe target practice, maybe just have a weapon to protect their families from villains. Go ahead and make outlaws out of all of them. Do you have any idea the chaos and bloodshed that would cause? Is that what you want?
    This "my way or the highway" line is funny, since you're the only one who's written it, but that's okay. Not once have I mentioned the poor children in Parkland, who, if just one of their teachers had been armed, might have been saved. You are using these poor dead kids as a prop in your anti-American gun confiscation scheme. But you guys do that all the time. Can't let a tragedy go to waste, can you? How come I don't remember you protesting fire after 87 people were murdered by an arsonist in the Bronx?
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  240. @Stan d Mute

    The idea that people are more safe with more people carrying loaded guns is simply silly.
     
    The idea that life is “safe” is one children (who aren’t retarded) abandon shortly after kindergarten.

    The idea that free men can be free and safe is the realm of fantasy novels. Obviously you need to turn off your computer and go out into the wilderness (without a gun) for a reminder of how Nature really works.

    You seem to be entertaining a number of simultaneous and unrelated fantasies Stan.

    You invoke children and free men. Why? Just something to write I guess.

    You invoke Nature. Do you take an assault rifle when you are in the presence of Nature?

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    Do you take an assault rifle when you are in the presence of Nature?
     
    Of course not, I’d much prefer being eaten by a bear or bitten by a rabid badger or raccoon. Besides, won’t the trees I hug protect me from harm?
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    You invoke Nature. Do you take an assault rifle when you are in the presence of Nature?

     

    Well you might get mauled by a bear or other wild animal.


    TRAIL KILLINGS: Missouri man already charged in 3 deaths indicted in 3 more
    KANSAS CITY, Mo. — A man already charged with killing three people in the Kansas City area was indicted Friday in the deaths of three more men, all of whom were shot in apparently unprovoked attacks along or near hiking trails, Jackson County prosecutors said.

    The suspect, Frederick Demond Scott, a 23-year-old black man, once threatened to “kill all white people.” All the victims were white, but investigators and prosecutors have not discussed a motive for the killings.

     

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  241. @Stan d Mute
    Guys, you and @twodees, again, I have no disagreement that our Constitution is flawed. You both make the point well as have others such as here:

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/02/29/the-constitution-and-the-standing-army/

    But. And it’s an enormous But. Relitigating the Constitutional Convention and arguments of the anti-Federalists is of absolutely no practical value is it? We are today, right now, at risk of losing our last line of defense. Our common enemies have together less knowledge than either of you individually. Rather than a circular firing squad we need to stay focused on protecting what we have and not things we haven’t a prayer of changing.

    Coming to the realization that the constitution won’t save us (and was never meant to) doesn’t amount to a circular firing squad. Anyway, there’s no political solution under the current system. Everybody can come to their own conclusions.

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    Voting won’t save us, that’s for sure. But the Constitution yet may. The furor over 2A is pretty convincing proof that it stands as the last obstacle to our complete enslavement no? At least in the minds of the gun grabbers..

    Look at fools like @not_a_lick_of_sense here. No calls for bans on serial killers’ weapons of choice despite the fact that they torture then kill more kids than school shooters. Why? No calls for bans on box cutters despite them killing more than every school shooter combined. No calls for bans on automobiles, gasoline, fertilizers, propane tanks, etc, despite the far greater dangers they pose. Just guns, only guns, always and forever guns. Proving beyond doubt they simply want disarmed sheep and second that they’re lacking both intelligence and imagination.
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  242. Rich says:
    @Not_one_of_You
    In the 2nd amendment, the first words are "A well-regulated militia".

    Now snakes like La Pierre may have twisted that to mean unregulated individual civilians, acting in no common interest, have the absolute right to own, carry and use guns of all sorts, in all situations, but the central concept of the 2nd amendment didn't say that or else the meaning of precise words is no longer something of substance.

    You have used the "my way or the highway line". Now the name-calling comes. You have no intellect or honour.

    I don't know why I'm debating with people who are slandering the children who were terrorized and had their friends killed in a place of education by a gun-loving cretin.

    So let me get this straight, since thew founding of the Republic, since the adoption of the 2nd Amendment, it has always been interpreted as meaning the people have the right to own guns. Since day one. But now, you, an anonymous commenter, have discovered the real, secret meaning? Really? Have you ever read a history book? Do you think everyone is an idiot? You commies are the ones trying to twist the meaning of the 2nd Amendment, that’s been accepted from the beginning.
    But go ahead. You’ve got millions of law abiding gun owners in this country, who like to hunt, maybe target practice, maybe just have a weapon to protect their families from villains. Go ahead and make outlaws out of all of them. Do you have any idea the chaos and bloodshed that would cause? Is that what you want?
    This “my way or the highway” line is funny, since you’re the only one who’s written it, but that’s okay. Not once have I mentioned the poor children in Parkland, who, if just one of their teachers had been armed, might have been saved. You are using these poor dead kids as a prop in your anti-American gun confiscation scheme. But you guys do that all the time. Can’t let a tragedy go to waste, can you? How come I don’t remember you protesting fire after 87 people were murdered by an arsonist in the Bronx?

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    How come I don’t remember you protesting fire after 87 people were murdered by an arsonist in the Bronx?
     
    Gun make “boom!” “Boom” scare me.
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  243. @anarchyst
    You are wrong. It is the failed concept of "gun free zones" in which there is no means allowed to resist a person (criminal) bent on doing harm.
    Good examples of this include the movie theater that was shot up; the gunman bypassed two closer movie theaters as they allowed "concealed carry". He shot up a movie theater that proudly stated "no firearms allowed".
    Ever wonder why police stations or gun shows and stores are never attacked.
    Common sense dictates that legally armed people CAN stop slaughters of innocent citizens.
    We guard our banks and money with people with guns
    We guard our politicians, public figures, and celebrities with people with guns
    We guard our government facilities and other valuable facilities with people with guns
    We guard our children with "gun free zone" signs

    What's wrong with this picture?

    We guard our banks and money with people with guns
    We guard our politicians, public figures, and celebrities with people with guns
    We guard our government facilities and other valuable facilities with people with guns
    We guard our children with “gun free zone” signs

    What’s wrong with this picture?

    Suggest we guard the entrance to gun free zones with people with guns, temporarily and simultaneously with gun reduction programs to ban assault weapons on penalty of long prison terms.

    Not rely on the possibility that somebody with a gun might be around at some fortuitous moment and have the presence of mind to shoot somebody else who looks like shooting somebody else, without being shot first and without making a horrible mistake.

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    ban assault weapons
     
    I defy you to DEFINE “assault weapons.”
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  244. @Not_one_of_You
    You seem to be entertaining a number of simultaneous and unrelated fantasies Stan.

    You invoke children and free men. Why? Just something to write I guess.

    You invoke Nature. Do you take an assault rifle when you are in the presence of Nature?

    Do you take an assault rifle when you are in the presence of Nature?

    Of course not, I’d much prefer being eaten by a bear or bitten by a rabid badger or raccoon. Besides, won’t the trees I hug protect me from harm?

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  245. @Twodees Partain
    Coming to the realization that the constitution won't save us (and was never meant to) doesn't amount to a circular firing squad. Anyway, there's no political solution under the current system. Everybody can come to their own conclusions.

    Voting won’t save us, that’s for sure. But the Constitution yet may. The furor over 2A is pretty convincing proof that it stands as the last obstacle to our complete enslavement no? At least in the minds of the gun grabbers..

    Look at fools like @not_a_lick_of_sense here. No calls for bans on serial killers’ weapons of choice despite the fact that they torture then kill more kids than school shooters. Why? No calls for bans on box cutters despite them killing more than every school shooter combined. No calls for bans on automobiles, gasoline, fertilizers, propane tanks, etc, despite the far greater dangers they pose. Just guns, only guns, always and forever guns. Proving beyond doubt they simply want disarmed sheep and second that they’re lacking both intelligence and imagination.

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    Somehow you've twisted what I expressed about the way the constitution was foisted on the people of that generation into some sort of opposition to the 2nd amendment. Am I just really bad at communicating?
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  246. @Rich
    So let me get this straight, since thew founding of the Republic, since the adoption of the 2nd Amendment, it has always been interpreted as meaning the people have the right to own guns. Since day one. But now, you, an anonymous commenter, have discovered the real, secret meaning? Really? Have you ever read a history book? Do you think everyone is an idiot? You commies are the ones trying to twist the meaning of the 2nd Amendment, that's been accepted from the beginning.
    But go ahead. You've got millions of law abiding gun owners in this country, who like to hunt, maybe target practice, maybe just have a weapon to protect their families from villains. Go ahead and make outlaws out of all of them. Do you have any idea the chaos and bloodshed that would cause? Is that what you want?
    This "my way or the highway" line is funny, since you're the only one who's written it, but that's okay. Not once have I mentioned the poor children in Parkland, who, if just one of their teachers had been armed, might have been saved. You are using these poor dead kids as a prop in your anti-American gun confiscation scheme. But you guys do that all the time. Can't let a tragedy go to waste, can you? How come I don't remember you protesting fire after 87 people were murdered by an arsonist in the Bronx?

    How come I don’t remember you protesting fire after 87 people were murdered by an arsonist in the Bronx?

    Gun make “boom!” “Boom” scare me.

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  247. @Not_one_of_You

    We guard our banks and money with people with guns
    We guard our politicians, public figures, and celebrities with people with guns
    We guard our government facilities and other valuable facilities with people with guns
    We guard our children with “gun free zone” signs

    What’s wrong with this picture?
     
    Suggest we guard the entrance to gun free zones with people with guns, temporarily and simultaneously with gun reduction programs to ban assault weapons on penalty of long prison terms.

    Not rely on the possibility that somebody with a gun might be around at some fortuitous moment and have the presence of mind to shoot somebody else who looks like shooting somebody else, without being shot first and without making a horrible mistake.

    ban assault weapons

    I defy you to DEFINE “assault weapons.”

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    An assault weapon is one that goes "bang, bang, bang" without reloading or doing anything other than holding the trigger or pulling the trigger, not intended for target shooting, not intended for hunting, not intended for self-defense, not intended for anything other than home invasions or school and event massacres. It has power without precision.
    , @Hippopotamusdrome


    I defy you to DEFINE “assault weapons.”

     

    That has been done. Bayonet mounts are the key. See:


    SUBTITLE A--ASSAULT WEAPONS
    ...(b) DEFINITION OF SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPON- Section 921(a) of
    title 18
    ...
    `(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means--
    ...
    `(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a
    detachable magazine and has at least 2 of--
    ...
    `(iii) a bayonet mount;

     

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  248. @Stan d Mute
    Voting won’t save us, that’s for sure. But the Constitution yet may. The furor over 2A is pretty convincing proof that it stands as the last obstacle to our complete enslavement no? At least in the minds of the gun grabbers..

    Look at fools like @not_a_lick_of_sense here. No calls for bans on serial killers’ weapons of choice despite the fact that they torture then kill more kids than school shooters. Why? No calls for bans on box cutters despite them killing more than every school shooter combined. No calls for bans on automobiles, gasoline, fertilizers, propane tanks, etc, despite the far greater dangers they pose. Just guns, only guns, always and forever guns. Proving beyond doubt they simply want disarmed sheep and second that they’re lacking both intelligence and imagination.

    Somehow you’ve twisted what I expressed about the way the constitution was foisted on the people of that generation into some sort of opposition to the 2nd amendment. Am I just really bad at communicating?

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    Yes and no. Hence my repeated replies saying we must focus on saving what we have instead of fretting about what might have been. If you condemn the Constitution you toss the baby with the bath water no? For me, the entire rest of the thing could read like a Hillary Clinton campaign speech, but as long as we have the 2A reset mechanism we have the means to save ourselves and start over.

    Not at all an attempt to twist your words, as I’ve said - I don’t disagree, just think it a discussion for another time and place.

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  249. @Twodees Partain
    Somehow you've twisted what I expressed about the way the constitution was foisted on the people of that generation into some sort of opposition to the 2nd amendment. Am I just really bad at communicating?

    Yes and no. Hence my repeated replies saying we must focus on saving what we have instead of fretting about what might have been. If you condemn the Constitution you toss the baby with the bath water no? For me, the entire rest of the thing could read like a Hillary Clinton campaign speech, but as long as we have the 2A reset mechanism we have the means to save ourselves and start over.

    Not at all an attempt to twist your words, as I’ve said – I don’t disagree, just think it a discussion for another time and place.

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    " If you condemn the Constitution you toss the baby with the bath water no?"

    No. Eventually you may develop your intellect past your current stage of tunnel vision. If you don't understand the nature of a thing, you will do more harm than good trying to "save" it. You're either being willfully obtuse or you're nowhere near as informed as you think you are.
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  250. @Stan d Mute

    ban assault weapons
     
    I defy you to DEFINE “assault weapons.”

    An assault weapon is one that goes “bang, bang, bang” without reloading or doing anything other than holding the trigger or pulling the trigger, not intended for target shooting, not intended for hunting, not intended for self-defense, not intended for anything other than home invasions or school and event massacres. It has power without precision.

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    An assault weapon is one that goes “bang, bang, bang” without reloading or doing anything other than holding the trigger or pulling the trigger, not intended for target shooting, not intended for hunting, not intended for self-defense, not intended for anything other than home invasions or school and event massacres. It has power without precision.
     
    One hardly knows where to begin with this. But I’ll start here:

    https://youtu.be/Q3iX9xSdyzI

    These “assault weapons” appear to fit your description perfectly. They go “bang, bang, bang” without reloading, are not accurate (relatively speaking), etc. Virtually no pistols would be exempt. And I confess I’ve never seen any weapon “intended ... for home invasions or school massacres.”

    As for “power without precision” modern firearms, except for the very cheapest ones, are mostly very precise. So precise that the major limitations are ammo choice and shooter skill.

    So you seem to really be after a complete gun ban.

    PS - I could make a point about effectiveness of other types of “assault weapons” here, but confining this to just guns, is a “spray and pray” weapon more or less dangerous than a high accuracy sniper weapon?
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  251. Corvinus says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    That “Greatest Generation” . . .Those cats were clueless. Most still are.
     
    Increasingly, they're toothless as well.

    iirc Brokaw wrote that mawkish book only around 1999. MIC must have felt the need to re-ignite militarism: Clinton had clipped defense budgets and defense contractors were languishing.

    Thank goodness a non-stop diet of cable war documentariesremilitarized the American public.

    ---
    nb. I'm a Boomer and also a first-generation American, child of immigrants who came here in 1930s. There are a lot of us; we -- at least I -- never knew I was a first gen. American or what that implied, but as I look back -- we children of immigrants were urged to "Americanize" rapidly; we / I had no connection to my parents' ethnic roots, nor was I accepted by earlier Americans (i.e. WASPs). There IS no cultural/ethnic setting in USA in which I feel comfortable or that I belong. My spouse's parents refused to attend our wedding because I was of a low-class ethnicity (Italian -- not on list of Most Favored Nations post WWII) and a Catholic. People who get all gushy about admitting immigrants ought to think a generation or two ahead to what family life, divorce rates, etc. will look like as immigrants marry into the earlier American cohort.

    It's intriguing to note that Italians and Jews were on a similar low rung in the 194os, 1950s and into 1960s, despised alike by WASPs, but then Jews broke out: Hollywood defined "an empire of their (Jews) own," and Holocaustism was invented by PR professionals in the mid-to-late 1960s; Jews who had pushed their way into the free universities in New York and California and procured empty sheepskins began to dominate college faculties. Nowadays, Jews have displaced WASPs and regard Italians -- and most other Americans -- with haughty disdain.

    “There IS no cultural/ethnic setting in USA in which I feel comfortable or that I belong. My spouse’s parents refused to attend our wedding because I was of a low-class ethnicity (Italian — not on list of Most Favored Nations post WWII) and a Catholic.”

    Yet you have the audacity to state how Jews and non-whites are the scourge of my land. Using your own metrics, you do not belong here. Interesting how you assume the redeemable qualities that only Anglo-Saxons possess, in the name of “fellow white brethren”. Ironically, you are opposed to non-white immigration even though your ancestors had been labeled being other than white and thus incapable and unworthy of assimilation. So, were those nativists egregious inaccurate of their assessment of YOUR people?

    Noted Alt Right leader Vox Day has stated that the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and the Polish, lacked the ability to comprehend and put into practice Anglo-Saxon ideals. Yet, those same people whose ancestors had been deemed “unfit” for American inclusion by nativists in the 1850’s and 1890’s claim to possess the inherent qualities required to perpetuate Western Civilization. Nativists held those groups in contempt for “alien ways of life”, yet by the power of magic dirt, those groups have transformed themselves into one of the natives.

    The stench is indeed unbearable. IF the nativist arguments from the late 1800’s are accurate, you and your ancestors represented the filth of Eastern and Southern Europeans. Only those of stout Anglo-Saxon heritage served as the conduit to Western Civilization superiority and American exceptionalism. Do you really think they desired to have their culture being watered down by immigrants of notoriously questionable character, that being swarthy Poles and Italians?

    Now you have to go back!

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  252. @Not_one_of_You
    An assault weapon is one that goes "bang, bang, bang" without reloading or doing anything other than holding the trigger or pulling the trigger, not intended for target shooting, not intended for hunting, not intended for self-defense, not intended for anything other than home invasions or school and event massacres. It has power without precision.

    An assault weapon is one that goes “bang, bang, bang” without reloading or doing anything other than holding the trigger or pulling the trigger, not intended for target shooting, not intended for hunting, not intended for self-defense, not intended for anything other than home invasions or school and event massacres. It has power without precision.

    One hardly knows where to begin with this. But I’ll start here:

    These “assault weapons” appear to fit your description perfectly. They go “bang, bang, bang” without reloading, are not accurate (relatively speaking), etc. Virtually no pistols would be exempt. And I confess I’ve never seen any weapon “intended … for home invasions or school massacres.”

    As for “power without precision” modern firearms, except for the very cheapest ones, are mostly very precise. So precise that the major limitations are ammo choice and shooter skill.

    So you seem to really be after a complete gun ban.

    PS – I could make a point about effectiveness of other types of “assault weapons” here, but confining this to just guns, is a “spray and pray” weapon more or less dangerous than a high accuracy sniper weapon?

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    A complete gun ban? No.

    Many polls have shown that Americans overwhelmingly support sensible gun reform. That would include all firearms to be registered and only used by their registered owners. That would include weapons like assault weapons being illegal. That would include pistols and concealable handguns only allowed to be registered to those with a defined legitimate usage, such as security or those who hold large amounts of cash, or designated guards on events responsible for ensuring "no gun" rules are enforced, or farmers who need to protect stock and cultivation.

    That would include guns carried by members of a "well-regulated militia" like it says in the 2nd amendment to be allowed.

    The general public are oppressed by the wants of the small minority who advocate and lobby for guns. It's no good punishing gun terrorists after they kill.

    America produces a lot of homicidal, gun-loving psychopaths and sociopaths. It's hard to say whether the convenience of getting guns is to blame or merely a factor in enabling mass murder, but the guns are key to the problem.

    A fair referendum on gun control would overwhelm the NRA, whose highly paid executives include not one former member of the military.

    Just pass the laws and give a reasonable moratorium to surrender all newly-illegal weapons. Do not compensate the owners. After the moratorium runs out, fine heavily or jail anyone breaking the law.

    That would be democracy and rule of law. Remember that?
    , @Truth
    Great video, like the hip-hop.
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  253. @Stan d Mute

    An assault weapon is one that goes “bang, bang, bang” without reloading or doing anything other than holding the trigger or pulling the trigger, not intended for target shooting, not intended for hunting, not intended for self-defense, not intended for anything other than home invasions or school and event massacres. It has power without precision.
     
    One hardly knows where to begin with this. But I’ll start here:

    https://youtu.be/Q3iX9xSdyzI

    These “assault weapons” appear to fit your description perfectly. They go “bang, bang, bang” without reloading, are not accurate (relatively speaking), etc. Virtually no pistols would be exempt. And I confess I’ve never seen any weapon “intended ... for home invasions or school massacres.”

    As for “power without precision” modern firearms, except for the very cheapest ones, are mostly very precise. So precise that the major limitations are ammo choice and shooter skill.

    So you seem to really be after a complete gun ban.

    PS - I could make a point about effectiveness of other types of “assault weapons” here, but confining this to just guns, is a “spray and pray” weapon more or less dangerous than a high accuracy sniper weapon?

    A complete gun ban? No.

    Many polls have shown that Americans overwhelmingly support sensible gun reform. That would include all firearms to be registered and only used by their registered owners. That would include weapons like assault weapons being illegal. That would include pistols and concealable handguns only allowed to be registered to those with a defined legitimate usage, such as security or those who hold large amounts of cash, or designated guards on events responsible for ensuring “no gun” rules are enforced, or farmers who need to protect stock and cultivation.

    That would include guns carried by members of a “well-regulated militia” like it says in the 2nd amendment to be allowed.

    The general public are oppressed by the wants of the small minority who advocate and lobby for guns. It’s no good punishing gun terrorists after they kill.

    America produces a lot of homicidal, gun-loving psychopaths and sociopaths. It’s hard to say whether the convenience of getting guns is to blame or merely a factor in enabling mass murder, but the guns are key to the problem.

    A fair referendum on gun control would overwhelm the NRA, whose highly paid executives include not one former member of the military.

    Just pass the laws and give a reasonable moratorium to surrender all newly-illegal weapons. Do not compensate the owners. After the moratorium runs out, fine heavily or jail anyone breaking the law.

    That would be democracy and rule of law. Remember that?

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    And finally we have the truth. You want to confiscate virtually ALL guns.

    Many polls have shown that Americans overwhelmingly support sensible gun reform.
     
    So you ought to have no problem whatever in successfully amending the Constitution then. Go for it chief. But you might want to see how Floridians reacted first. No bans and arm the teachers says Florida Legislature...
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  254. Truth says:
    @Stan d Mute

    An assault weapon is one that goes “bang, bang, bang” without reloading or doing anything other than holding the trigger or pulling the trigger, not intended for target shooting, not intended for hunting, not intended for self-defense, not intended for anything other than home invasions or school and event massacres. It has power without precision.
     
    One hardly knows where to begin with this. But I’ll start here:

    https://youtu.be/Q3iX9xSdyzI

    These “assault weapons” appear to fit your description perfectly. They go “bang, bang, bang” without reloading, are not accurate (relatively speaking), etc. Virtually no pistols would be exempt. And I confess I’ve never seen any weapon “intended ... for home invasions or school massacres.”

    As for “power without precision” modern firearms, except for the very cheapest ones, are mostly very precise. So precise that the major limitations are ammo choice and shooter skill.

    So you seem to really be after a complete gun ban.

    PS - I could make a point about effectiveness of other types of “assault weapons” here, but confining this to just guns, is a “spray and pray” weapon more or less dangerous than a high accuracy sniper weapon?

    Great video, like the hip-hop.

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  255. @Not_one_of_You
    A complete gun ban? No.

    Many polls have shown that Americans overwhelmingly support sensible gun reform. That would include all firearms to be registered and only used by their registered owners. That would include weapons like assault weapons being illegal. That would include pistols and concealable handguns only allowed to be registered to those with a defined legitimate usage, such as security or those who hold large amounts of cash, or designated guards on events responsible for ensuring "no gun" rules are enforced, or farmers who need to protect stock and cultivation.

    That would include guns carried by members of a "well-regulated militia" like it says in the 2nd amendment to be allowed.

    The general public are oppressed by the wants of the small minority who advocate and lobby for guns. It's no good punishing gun terrorists after they kill.

    America produces a lot of homicidal, gun-loving psychopaths and sociopaths. It's hard to say whether the convenience of getting guns is to blame or merely a factor in enabling mass murder, but the guns are key to the problem.

    A fair referendum on gun control would overwhelm the NRA, whose highly paid executives include not one former member of the military.

    Just pass the laws and give a reasonable moratorium to surrender all newly-illegal weapons. Do not compensate the owners. After the moratorium runs out, fine heavily or jail anyone breaking the law.

    That would be democracy and rule of law. Remember that?

    And finally we have the truth. You want to confiscate virtually ALL guns.

    Many polls have shown that Americans overwhelmingly support sensible gun reform.

    So you ought to have no problem whatever in successfully amending the Constitution then. Go for it chief. But you might want to see how Floridians reacted first. No bans and arm the teachers says Florida Legislature…

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  256. @Stan d Mute
    Yes and no. Hence my repeated replies saying we must focus on saving what we have instead of fretting about what might have been. If you condemn the Constitution you toss the baby with the bath water no? For me, the entire rest of the thing could read like a Hillary Clinton campaign speech, but as long as we have the 2A reset mechanism we have the means to save ourselves and start over.

    Not at all an attempt to twist your words, as I’ve said - I don’t disagree, just think it a discussion for another time and place.

    ” If you condemn the Constitution you toss the baby with the bath water no?”

    No. Eventually you may develop your intellect past your current stage of tunnel vision. If you don’t understand the nature of a thing, you will do more harm than good trying to “save” it. You’re either being willfully obtuse or you’re nowhere near as informed as you think you are.

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    Eventually you may develop your intellect past your current stage of tunnel vision.
     
    Or eventually you become so old that you can no longer see the forest for the trees. Do you really want to go there? I have given no offense to you.

    You tear up the Constitution today and then what? Do you really want our elites today writing a new one? Absent an American Pinochet, what we have is the best we will get so we had better make it work somehow. I see no Generals offering one way free helicopter rides so I’m sticking with a fierce defense of our Constitution and our 2A right to keep and bear “arms.”
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  257. So you ought to have no problem whatever in successfully amending the Constitution then. Go for it chief. But you might want to see how Floridians reacted first. No bans and arm the teachers