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Once upon a time there were two politicians.

One had the power to give media and political elites goosebumps. Still does.

The other causes the same dogs to raise their hackles.

The first is Barack Hussein Obama; the second Vladimir Putin.

The same gilded elites who choose our villains and victims for us have decided that the Russian is the worst person in the world. BHO, the media consider one of the greatest men in the world.

Obama leveled Libya and lynched its leader. Our overlords were unconcerned. They knew with certainty that Obama was destroying lives irreparably out of the goodness of his heart.

Same thing when Obama became the uncrowned king of the killer drone, murdering Pakistani, Afghani, Libyan and Yemeni civilians in their thousands. That, too, his acolytes generally justified, minimized or concealed.

In June of 2008, Obama marked his election as “the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth.” Media did not mock their leader’s delusions of grandeur.

All the estrogen-oozing amoebas of mainstream media would do in response to the Obama charm offensive was to turn to one another and check, “Was it good for you? Did he make the earth move and the oceans recede for you, too?”

Recently, Obama romped on to the Third World stage “bigly.” He delivered an address in this writer’s birthplace of Johannesburg, South Africa. The occasion: the centennial commemoration of Nelson Mandela’s birth.

On that occasion, Obama praised “the liberal international order,” which is founded on inverted morality: Good is bad and bad is good.

Small wonder, then, that nobody—broadcaster Tucker Carlson excepted—was willing to shame Obama for lauding genial thug Cyril Ramaphosa as an inspiration for “new hope in [his] great country.”

President hope-and-change Ramaphosa has gone where his four peer predecessors had not dared to go. He led a wildly fruitful effort to tweak the already watered-down property-rights provision in the South-African Constitution. Theft of land owned by whites will now be permitted.

Other than their modern-day-messiah status, BHO and his hero Mandela share something else. Both were silent about the systematic ethnic cleansing and extermination, in ways that beggar belief, of South-African farmers, in particular, and whites in general.

Does the barefaced Barack care that white men, women and children are being butchered like animals, their bodies often displayed like trophies by their proud black assassins?

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An example among thousands are Kaalie Botha’s parents: “You can’t kill an animal like they killed my mom and dad. You can’t believe it.” The Achilles tendons of Kaalie’s 71-year-old father had been severed by his assailants so he couldn’t flee. He was then hacked in the back until he died, his body dumped in the bush. The head of wife Joey had been bashed in by a brick, wielded with such force that the skull “cracked like an egg.”

A day in the life of farming South Africa.

Yet, there was Mr. Obama touting the new South Africa as the instantiation of the ideals promoted by Mandela.

Mind you, Obama might be on to something, in a perverse way. As stated, Mandela was mum about these killings, labeled genocidal by the expert Dr. Gregory H. Stanton.

As for “Madiba’s” fidelity to the cornerstone of civilization, private-property rights: In September of 1991, “Mr. Mandela threatened South African business with nationalization of mines and financial institutions unless business [came] up with an alternative option for the redistribution of wealth.

Had he lived to 100, Mandela would likely be cheering Ramaphosa for authorizing a free-for-all on white-owned private property.

You know who’s not ignoring or minimizing those ongoing attempts at extermination and immiseration in South Africa? President Putin.

Russia has purportedly offered to give shelter to 15,000 white South African farmers, so far, recognizing them for the true refugees they are.

But Mr. Putin must be a racist. At least that’s what the cruel and craven African National Congress (Mandela’s party) dubs any nation daring to succor white South-Africans. The very idea that black Africans would persecute white Africans is racist in itself, say South Africa’s ruling Solons.

In fact, the ANC regularly intervenes to set aside findings made by Refugee Boards across the West in favor of South Africa’s endangered minority.

Putin, of course, has a history of such “racism.” Take his “unhealthy” fixation with saving Christians in Syria. Yes, that community is thriving once again because of the Alawite and Russian alliance.

True to type, “racist” Russia is now looking out for the Afrikaner settlers of South Africa.

In 2011, when “Into the Cannibal’s Pot: Lessons for America From Post-Apartheid South Africa” was published, there were approximately 40,000 commercial South-African farmers who remained on the land of their ancestors. Minus about 3000 slaughtered.

The total number of commercial farmers who feed South Africa is now less than half the number of “refugees” the US takes in each year. To date, “there has been a trickle of South Africans applying for asylum in the United States on the grounds of racial persecution. Almost all have been deported.”

It should be news to no one that American refugee policies favor the Bantu peoples of Africa over its Boers.

As Obama would drone, “It’s who we are.”

Whichever way you slice it, on matters South Africa, Russia is the virtuous one.

Ilana Mercer has been writing a weekly, paleolibertarian column since 1999. She is the author of “Into the Cannibal’s Pot: Lessons for America From Post-Apartheid South Africa (2011) & “The Trump Revolution: The Donald’s Creative Destruction Deconstructed (June, 2016). She’s on Twitter, Facebook,Gab & YouTube

 
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  1. Anonymous[275] • Disclaimer says:

    Any white still living in Africa in 2018 deserves to die.

  2. renfro says:

    There are 51 murders a day…some white, some black.

    I don’t have time to find a accurate source on this right now but the article below provides some info.

    who-are-south-africa-s-persecuted-white-farmers

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
    , @Sk
  3. Technomad says:

    And when the white farmers are gone, the blacks will find that they don’t know how to grow food, and will howl “Feed us! We’re starving!” And the hemorrhaging-valentines of the world will feel sorry for them and feed them instead of letting them lie in the bed they insisted on making for themselves.

    • Replies: @t-gordon
    , @Okechukwu
  4. MarkU says:
    @Anonymous

    Any white still living in Africa in 2018 deserves to die.

    A very extreme statement and no explanation as to why you believe it, would you care to elaborate?

  5. @Anonymous

    “Any white still living in Africa in 2018 deserves to die.”
    Ok, i’ll take a guess here: you mean they deserve to die because they are SO stupid ?
    I guess they are stupid to have expected justice. But, regardless of the fact that if stupidity was a capital crime, there’d be enough people left on earch to fill a bus…possibly a mini-bus – you necessarily assume that all whites, farmers especially, had equal access to immigration. As the article makes clear: there is anti-white racism in the world, so….I think you are, to say the least, damn harsh.

    • Replies: @Mad Dog Kate
    , @Tunie
  6. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:

    It’s not called “genocide” when White Christians are doing the dying.

    Then it’s called “Social Justice” and the sick thing
    is how many whites are on board with it.

  7. RW says:

    The USA forced these poor white farmers into this mess, a mess which was the inevitable result of ending white rule. The least we could do is offer asylum to all white farmers from South Africa.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @Den Lille Abe
    , @Wally
  8. Melpheos says:

    Could you post all the tweets from Trump regarding those murders ?
    I tried to search for them but couldn’t find any ?
    Also AFAIK, Obama is not president anymore, Trump is. Are you also going to blame Hillary Clinton when you are at it ?

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @crimson2
  9. Realist says:

    Obama Ignores Genocide In South Africa

    Is this a surprise???

    • Replies: @Sic Semper
  10. Renoman says:

    Everyone thinks whitey was the worst asshole around until blackey gets in charge, then you see what real corruption and barbarism is.

  11. @Anonymous

    Any black still living in Europe or North America in 2018 deserves to die.

  12. mcohen says:

    Ilana you need to look at the big picture.south africa and zimbabwe were supported by russia and china.an easy one,a shoo in as they say.sort of colonialism antidote.they supplied arms to the opposition.ramaphosa is an ex mining union leader.he has played this game before.this will give you an idea of how things work with mining companies

    Notice the white officer in charge tucking his head in as his guys shoot from behind him in the above link.

    As to obama he played the right move in Ethiopia

    http://2007-2017-blogs.state.gov/stories/2015/07/28/subsistence-surplus-how-gifty-went-barely-making-ends-meet-meeting-president.html

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/15/ethiopia-eritrea-abiy-ahmed-charismatic-young-peacemaker

    I might be wrong but i somehow feel that obama could have kick started this peace initiative.its an important one.both states are strategically placed on the red sea shipping lanes opposite yemen. Ethiopia has very important water resources and is the source of the nile.

    Did you know that they gave nelson mandela 200 suits when he got out of jail.(that was the rumour back then).

    Ilana this is a true story

    In 1981 i was in the lift with some uber elite afrikaaners at unisa and we were discussing politics and this one uber elite afrikaaner lady said cheerfully that cyril ramaphosa will lead the way.
    He is the man to watch.i immediately unbuckled a chuckle.

    As Jim morrison would sing “the future is uncertain and the end is near”

  13. APilgrim says:

    Libyan Leader, Muammar Mohammed Abu Minyar Gaddafi, was butt-stabbed to death.

    His mutilation & screams were recorded on video.

    Gaddafi was not ‘lynched’, by Obama, Hillary & Sid Vicious Blumenthal. His nation was destroyed. Libyan Strategic Gold was stolen. Gaddafi had abandoned terrorism & outed nuclear proliferation by Pakistan, Iran & others.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @South African
  14. APilgrim says:

    Obama praised the South African genocide of White Boer Farmers.

  15. APilgrim says:
    @Anonymous

    By reason of being born White, in the nation of their Great-Great Grandparents?

  16. Excellent article.

    I see reports of water shortages, increasing food shortages, and electrical blackouts followed by violent rioting and looting in South Africa. Such is life without white people to feed the populace and tend to the infrastructure. In a few years it will predictably become another Somalia rife with warlords, child armies and warrior cannibalism, which in turn is predictably what Chicago is becoming.

    Ilana Mercer has been one of the few pointing out SA’s descent into barbarism. She’s right, it’s a lesson for America, though I don’t think many are listening.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @jacques sheete
    , @JackOH
  17. Boers cannot leave. They are citizens of South Africa, not UK dual citizens like the English South Africans.

    As a younger American I tried immigrating to Australia-I was 26 and had Bachelor’s Degree by then-and New Zealand. I lived in Canada and completed a Masters Degree there, thinking that I would simply slip into the system…No, when my work-study visa ran out, Canada wanted me gone.

    So for South African whites, whose money is worth nothing, moving anywhere is difficult.

    It is difficult enough for white proles in the United States to get away from blacks, when they would be safe if they moved 30 miles away.

    Imagine if you are a white citizen of AFRICA!

  18. It is hard enough for white proles in the United States to move 40 miles out of harm’s way of blacks, much less for whites who live in f*cking AFRICA.

    I’ve lived overseas my entire life and when I was younger, I attempted to immigrate to Australia and Canada.

    Not that these countries are perfect-no country is-but there were no Mestizos or blacks.

    None of them accepted me.

    • Replies: @crimson2
  19. @Anonymous

    Lunatic fringe, I know you’re out there.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @t-gordon
  20. Jake says:

    ““the liberal international order,” which is founded on inverted morality: Good is bad and bad is good.”

    Yes indeed. Our age is a great inversion.

  21. @Another Canadian

    Living in Northern Ontario at one point, I was surprised at the Quebecer whites who could live around the Natives. Some of the Quebec whites even married or lived with them, all the while surrounded by those crazy Canadian Natives.

    The Natives of Canada seemed crazy. Yet in Northern Ontario/Quebec border the whites lived around them.

  22. Jake says:
    @ConscientiousObserver

    “Ilana Mercer has been one of the few pointing out SA’s descent into barbarism. She’s right, it’s a lesson for America, though I don’t think many are listening.”

    The ADL and SPLC are listening to her, as are black groups. That is the reason her articles produce comments that read as SPLC/ADL central casting examples.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  23. Jake says:
    @APilgrim

    Trusting the Neocons is like trusting Trotsky.

    • Replies: @APilgrim
  24. Obama Ignores Genocide In South Africa

    While supporting the goons running the largest concentration camp in history and Ms Mercer probably doesn’t fill her diapers much over that.

  25. @ConscientiousObserver

    Ilana Mercer has been one of the few pointing out SA’s descent into barbarism. She’s right, it’s a lesson for America, though I don’t think many are listening.

    Anyone somewhat familiar with the history of “de land of the fwee, etc.” knows that it descended into barbarism long before it was a country. Among the list of crimes is support of the Bolshie movement (BM) by certain ultra rich American dingleberries and if that wasn’t barbaric, I don’t know what would be.

    No need to feel superior or holier than the next guy.

  26. APilgrim says:
    @Jake

    Nobody with a brain trusts the NeoCONs, BLM, or ANTIFA.

    Stalin had Trotsky killed with an Ice Axe, in Mexico City.

  27. t-gordon says:
    @Another Canadian

    Hilarious , you’ve provided my needed morning chuckle. Thank you.

  28. Jake says:
    @RW

    Many years ago, in the last century, the issue of South Africa and tides of violence directed at non-rich whites, especially Boers, came up in a small group. Already seen as the extremist on most issues, I said very little.

    The argument you make is the one then made by a young man in that group who had kin in SA Though not Boers – he was pure British Isles: English, Irish, Scottish, Welsh, and probably the islands of Man, Jersey, and Guernsey.

    Everyone in that group held at least 1 post-graduate degree. So ignorance was not the source of the consensus, which apparently was that of a man with Canadian citizenship who was an alum of the London School of Economics. His response: the Boers had fought Her Majesty’s Empire tooth and nail every chance they had found and so deserved no help, not even any pity. They made their bed long ago and needed to sleep in it. Plus, he added, the Africans themselves, finally freed from the shackles of racism, would prove capable, over time, of doing what the Boers had done and would show more loyalty than the Boers ever had.

    That group featured a strident Leftist who openly approved of non-white violence against ‘bad’ whites, as well as a dual citizen Jew who claimed to be a pacifist socialist who worked to prevent Israel from becoming as racist as the USA – he did stress that Palestinians had darker skins than Israelis, and that to him was almost all the proof needed. Both of them agreed fully with the spokesman for WASP Empire: no sympathy for, much less sanctuary offered to, the racist Boers with their history of resisting the British Empire.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @mcohen
  29. t-gordon says:
    @Technomad

    I’m thinking about automated diamond mines with the small number of workers needed to operate them protected by mercenaries from the “vibrants” roving outside the concertina wires. The profits will still flow to the banks as in the ignominious days of Colonialism. All while the “hemorrhaging-valentines” can feel good about buying said diamonds and feeding the starving natives. I’m guessing that if this crossed my mind today, it crossed somebody else’s years ago.

    • Replies: @Malla
  30. @RW

    Hello brainless! Hello anybody home?
    The Dutch settled there before The United States were into existence.
    Moron

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @Anon
    , @Anon
    , @corstopitum
  31. JackOH says:
    @ConscientiousObserver

    ” . . . [W]ater shortages . . .”.

    CO, I heard a lengthy radio report a few months ago on, I believe, National Public Radio, about Johannesburg’s water system failing. I was only half-listening, but I think “failing” was the term used, not “outdated” or “in need of repair” or other, softer phrasing. I was a bit startled to hear it, as it seems to confirm the thoughts of many of us here that a Black majority government is a pretty destructive thing.

    • Replies: @Anon
  32. @Jeff Stryker

    I have three passports, Australian, Swedish and Danish. When young of age I knew the world would go to hell. (Actually I have a fourth, but it is useless now :) )

    • Replies: @Truth
  33. First they came for farmers I did not object I was not a farmer…………………………..
    Misappropriation and and slow motion ethnic cleansing will continue until no white person, not even Jew (Jews are white you know.) will remain in South Africa, and Rhodesia.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
    US will meet the same fate after rainbow coalition will be majority and take power.
    And nothing can be done about it.
    ……………………………………………………..
    White Race destiny is extinction and nothing can be done about it.
    ………………………………………………………………………………………..
    After all Roman empire did gave us civilization, but Latins did die out.
    ……………………………………………………………………………………………
    Mexicans are not Latinos, that is only practical joke.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  34. Barzini says:

    President Obama may have killed thousands, but then again he was a Democrat and Friend of the Common Man. Like all Democrats, he cared about the Little People. The real bad guys in America are the Country Club Set because they play golf with other rich people at fancy country clubs on Saturday, and we all know that’s infinitely worse than slaughtering people in Libya.

  35. Programs of resettlement for Boers must be implemented. In re: Russia–not only Stavropol should be offered. If the issue is life and death of Afrikaners (and it is), including the most poor and destitute of them, not well-off farmers, everything must be considered including a Far Eastern land hectares. It is still better to try this out this than ending up dead by violent death. In terms of SA and BRICS, Russian media are openly discussing that SA is a liability, not an asset, for both racial and economic reasons. About time.

    • Replies: @Verymuchalive
  36. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @JackOH

    Cape Town suffered (?still suffering) the big drought I think.

    • Replies: @JackOH
  37. TKK says:

    An acquaintance worked as a Contracting Officer for USAID in South Africa. A farming collective ( blacks) were given dozens of brand new Kubato tractors, paid for by US tax dollars.

    The QA went two years laterfor a status check. All the tractors were rusted, not used- discarded in the fields.

    The African point of contact had written earnest reports that the tractors all had defects- lemons. The QA accepted these reports and the CO was formally “written up” for not doing market research and due diligence in the procurement process.

    The contract was passed to another CO. This CO Begin calling all the contacts associated with the tractor deal. He finally got a hold of a young man and ask him to go out and take photos of the tractors. A few months past and the CO called again.

    The young man told him that there was never anything wrong with the tractors except they were all out of gas. However, they had sat so long in the sun and rain and wind- rust and corrosion now ruined all of them.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  38. Mike P says:
    @Den Lille Abe

    RW was not referring to the settlement of SA, but to the end of apartheid, for which he or she seems to blame the U.S.

    Pretty obvious, so the one not exercising his brain on this occasion would be you.

  39. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @Den Lille Abe

    Is it not more truly brainless to reply rudely and irrelevantly without understanding what another has said? A descendant of a 1650s settler or 1830s Vortrekker could have said the same.

  40. RW says:

    Yeah, it is very sad to see that kind of attitude so prevalent among educated people. I could understand land redistribution with some kind of compensation, but not violence. “Payback’s a bitch,” one old white Australian man told me about South Africa just a couple weeks ago. That forms a never ending cycle.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  41. @Realist

    He doesn’t ignore it, he stays silent as he has no complaints with it, only wanting to to do it in the US. Exterminating his “white” mother’s infernal race, the one whom he bares abject hatred for is what he has set in motion. Mandela did not live to see the slaughter of Ethnic Europeans that he set in motion – in the name of “peace” of course. Obama is still young, unless HIV or an overdose claims him, he just may live to see the seizing of ethnic European’s homes and their extermination.

    The fact is however that the world ethnic European population has been assailed for 50 + years. “White” victims have been attacked, beaten, raped and murdered by the tens of millions in their homes by “other” races – but the apparatus refers to these ethnic cleansings as “random” crime.

    • Replies: @Realist
  42. @RW

    The crimes are ones of “Id” and not payback.

    Perpetrators think “Muh dick” and then rape the 70 year old wife of a Boer farmer who was too elderly to sell his property and move to London or Perth.

  43. I can’t stop laughing at this crazy idea of white South Africans colonizing Russia. Putin can’t, on the one hand, preach Russian nationalism and then bring in thousands of foreign colonists to steal Russian land and squat on it! That flies in the face of the very ethnic European nationalism that Putin is relying on in Ukraine (and, for that matter, Transnistria!)! For that very reason, any such colonisation would probably be political suicide for Putin. It will certainly kill off BRICS! The whole thing is obviously some sort of scam but I don’t see what advantage there is in it for Putin. It may just be a monumental political blunder on his part. As for the “Afrikaners”, all that would change if they were allowed to colonize Russia is that instead of being attacked by black Africans seeking to recover their ancestral lands, they would be attacked by Russians seeking to recover their ancestral lands! Is Putin really going to use his police to defend foreign colonists against his own people? By the way, why don’t the “Afrikaners” go to the US? They’re white, they’re very strict Calvinists and they all speak English. Could it get any better?

    • Replies: @gwynedd1
    , @FromSA
  44. Spectres are haunting South Africa: Zimbabwe, Venezuela, etc.

  45. JackOH says:
    @Anon

    Is that an actual drought or a euphemism for water system failure?

    I had a brief acquaintance as a technical writer with an investor-owned water company in the States, and there’s a lot of routine housekeeping needed to maintain water flow within acceptable pressure, acceptable water quality, and so on. I never learned very much, but metering, pump station maintenance, dam inspections and maintenance, chlorination and flouridation, billing and collections, etc., all have to be done.

  46. @renfro

    I went to Google to find article to which you DID NOT provide a proper link and I can tell you that conclusions by certain chum Mr.Ford from some Australian university is precisely a legalistic psychobabble by a pseudo-academic demagogue the likes of whom are one of the main driving forces behind combined West slowly becoming a shithole itself and losing identity.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    , @renfro
  47. Realist says:
    @Sic Semper

    He doesn’t ignore it, he stays silent as he has no complaints with it, only wanting to to do it in the US. Exterminating his “white” mother’s infernal race, the one whom he bares abject hatred for is what he has set in motion.

    He should be thankful for his white mother, otherwise his IQ would be 70 instead of 85. Not that it would matter to the dumb shit Whites that voted for him.

  48. @Jake

    Everyone in that group held at least 1 post-graduate degree. So ignorance was not the source of the consensus…

    It was probably worse than ignorance, it was likely error. A graduate degree in anything but math and science related subjects is practically proof of brainwashing. Even worse, the parchment holding punks think they have most, if not all, of the answers while nothing could be further from the truth.

    • Agree: Bubba
    • Replies: @Realist
  49. gwynedd1 says:
    @Michael Kenny

    You really don’t know much about Russia. Its as crazy as some Germans around the Volga now isn’t it?

  50. Che Guava says:

    Well, Ilana, you and your father were involved in setting the situation up in S. Africa, then running away to Israel.

    Now you are in the U.S.A.

    As I was saying in an earlier thread, in response to any post by you on such topics, at least one commentor has to raise that simple point.

    This time, moi.

  51. FromSA says:
    @Michael Kenny

    You clearly don’t have a clue about South African farmers. Firstly they are not all strict Calvinists any more than Americans are all strict calvinists which you seem to imply. Furthermore their command of the English language is diverse depending where in SA they farm. They are however intelligent and their farming acumen is world class. They also make phenomenal doctors and engineers. Why should they seek to go to the USA? What would the USA be willing to offer them? There is tons of land in Russia which these hard working families could develop. Why would the Russian people attack South African farmers for trying to make a life in Russia? What is this talk about a small number of South Africans colonizing Russia who has a population of 150 million people? Why would this kill BRICS? What does China, Brazil and India have to do with this? You are simply being contrary. If Putin is intelligent he would arrange to move them over immediately as Russia would benefit from these people.

    • Agree: Mike P
  52. Anon[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @JackOH

    Both I think.

  53. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Mexicans are not Latinos, that is only practical joke.

    The (current year) term of art is “Latinx.”

    Apropos since Latinx is to Latin as RainX is to rain.

  54. Why does Mercer, a former South African (and resident of Israel today), go on so about Obama?

    Hasn’t she heard that the US has a new president?

    And what has America’s new president said about the black takeover and destruction of formerly-prosperous and civilized So. Africa?

    Nothing.

    Ditto on Bush and Clinton. In fact, it was Clinton whose regime is most responsible for the sabotage of this once-stable, European-created nation-state on Africa’s southern tip.

    The slow-motion destruction of So. Africa began with jealous and resentful black immigrants who arrived there in large numbers after Europeans settled and developed the region. The nomadic, primitive black ‘majority’ came to So. Africa AFTER the Europeans.

    These impoverished blacks resemble today’s Mexicans ‘immigrants’ who unlawfully violate US borders to escape ‘Mexican rule’. The pattern is this: various ‘Sun Peoples’ are fleeing their homelands to be ruled by whites. But this is just Step One.

    Envious ‘minorities’ want to enjoy the fruits of white innovation and white prosperity. Then the transfer of wealth begins.

    In So. Africa, the black majority is now confiscating (without compensation) white-run and white-owned farms that white pioneers created centuries ago.

    The gradual black takeover and debasement of So. Africa has been enabled by white and Jewish busybodies who imposed strict, international economic ‘sanctions’ on that country going back to Reagan.

    These same interventionists (and their offspring) are now directing their political malevolence towards Russia and Iran. The pattern repeats.

    Progressive tyrants also steadfastly refuse to acknowledge any innate or meaningful difference between whites and blacks. They also show casual contempt for genuine self-determination if it involves whites or–in the case of Palestine–non-Jews.

    Such fools. Such dishonest fools.

    Forced integration and ‘democratic majority rule’ has long been their mantra when blacks are involved. Unfortunately, this ‘anti-racist’ movement has caused widespread suffering, mayhem and death.

    These top-down integration experiments have been going on for decades. All the while, Israel has been aggressively cleansing its lands of non-Jews. ‘Integration for thee, not for me’.

    This Left-Jewish myth of racial equality has been promoted by the Jewish establishment since Boas–not that Jews actually believe any of this malarkey. ‘Racial equality’ is Kool-Aid is for the goyim. Drink up children.

    Walls and legally enforced separation are reserved for the exceptional and endangered Jews. Them first. Always.

    Observe how the (((creators of culture))) glamorize miscegenation via film and advertising throughout the West, but restrict such imagery (and family formation) in Israel. This is no accident.

    So when the shit hits the fan, Jews like Mercer get to pack their bags and trot off to their precious Jews-Only reservation–leaving the non-Jewish, white compatriots behind.

    Good luck kids. Go Democracy Go!

    So why is Mercer bashing Obama? Red meat for Bubba?

    After all, Obama was no different from his predecessors vis-a-vis the fatally-flawed liberal idea of a ‘non-racial’ majority rule in So. Africa.

    Even Reagan called for the release of Nelson Mandela. The undoing of So. Africa has been decades in the making. And America’s (((liberal media))) has played a pivotal role. (((Sussman’s))) ‘Cry the Beloved Country’ helped launch the movement.

    The destruction of white So. Africa is a (((liberal))), bi-partisan affair. Jews from around the world have played an essential role in this affair. But don’t hold your breath waiting for Mercer to make that disclosure.

    Blaming Obama for this calculated tragedy is a distortion of history. Mercer is a true neocon and a chronic dissembler.

    • Replies: @mcohen
    , @Corvinus
  55. @TKK

    You say Kubato, I say Kubota.

    • Replies: @TKK
  56. @FromSA

    They are however intelligent and their farming acumen is world class.

    How much “intelligence” is required to put a seed in dirt and wait? Intelligent farmers are a liability. They have way too much time on their hands and get up to all sorts of trouble. Some say that farmers even murder innocent animals during their free time.

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @FromSA
  57. Wally says:
    @Anonymous

    Then who will feed the dumb black Africans?

    the facts:
    In every instance where blacks & browns are in great numbers, and / or control the governments of cities, counties, regions, states, countries, & continents we see:
    massive murder rates
    massive crime in general
    degraded property
    massive disease, especially STDs
    massive drug & alcohol abuse
    general filth, squalor
    massive birthrates
    inability / unwillingness to support their own children
    massive youth pregnancies rates
    massive school dropout rates
    incredibly low IQs & test scores
    violence as a way of life
    fathers nowhere to be found

  58. Okechukwu says:

    Laughable racist propaganda. Legitimate organizations have looked into these claims and found them to be false.

    I could provide a litany of statistics that prove whites live like royalty in SA compared to blacks. But I’d be wasting my time in this cesspool.

  59. RedRobbo says:

    The first three South-African Presidents supported the dictator Mugabe. Mbeki is responsible for the premature deaths of up to 365,000 AIDS victims. King Zuma has his palace and shares responsibility for the Marikana massacre with Ramaphosa. Anti-apartheid activist and Nobel Peace Prize winner Archbishop Desmond Tutu said of the ANC:: ‘They stopped the gravy train just long enough to get on themselves.’ He went on describe the Zuma administration as ‘worse than the apartheid government’ and that he would ‘pray for the downfall of the ANC.’
    South Africa today is the most unequal society in the world – economic apartheid persists for millions. ‘More than two decades after South Africa ousted a racist apartheid system that trapped the vast majority of South Africans in poverty, more than half the country still lives below the national poverty line and most of the nation’s wealth remains in the hands of a small elite’ (NPR, 2 April).

  60. Wally says:
    @RW

    said:
    “The least we could do is offer asylum to all white farmers from South Africa.”

    Russia is doing such.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  61. @Andrei Martyanov

    I have read your article on Russia-insider. (points)
    Excellent reasoning!!!!
    I was truly surprised.

    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  62. Wally says:
    @Melpheos

    fact: these murders are not new

    IOW, you choose to ignore Obama’s allowing these murders during his reign.

    And Hillary didn’t lift a finger while she was Sec. of State.

  63. Malla says:

    This is nothing black vs White, this is globalist elites using their communist arm who in turn are using blacks as weapons against White South Africans.

    Some snippets from Douglas Reed’s book ‘South of the Suez’ will throw some light on this conspiracy.

    “The dark man wants to see the white man’s town, to earn a few coins, to buy enchanting
    things in the white man’s bazaars. One day he disappears from the kraal and travels perhaps
    hundreds of miles through scrub and bush. He slips across the frontier and soon another lost one
    joins Johannesburg’s dark legion. These men forget their native land, their people, the laws and
    customs they once obeyed. They become almost as rootless as the Negroes of America. From the
    ranks of the white men one welcoming hand is extended to them, in the spirit in which Mephisto
    gave his to Faust over a good bargain (but these men have never heard of Faust). The Communist Party courts them, tells them the white man hates them and they must hate the white man and drive him one day into the sea. The driving-power of the Communist Party is supplied, as in other countries, by men from Eastern Europe, or the children of such. The newcomer thought himself lucky, perhaps, to put behind him the dullness of village life and come to the city. He was not aggrieved, but now white men tell him how badly treated he is. ”

    “In England a chief Communist objective is to prevent emigration, particularly to
    Africa and to South Africa. Clearly Africa looms large in Communist plans for the second half of this century; supreme importance appears to be attached to preventing the rise of great white
    populations there, and South Africa is plainly seen as the key to this matter.
    This is the real reason for the constant attacks on South Africa in London’s Leftist newspapers. Similarly, in South Africa the Communists actively support the campaign against The Immigrants, telling the rural Afrikaner that ‘the Jingoes’ will swamp his Afrikanerdom and the Natal British that they will encroach on employment and housing. The South African newspapers’ practice of publishing pseudonymous letters facilitates this agitation; obviously doubtful epistles, expressing violent distaste for South Africa, appear over such signatures as ‘Blighty for me’, ‘I’ve had it’, and so on. ”

    “It is quite easy to understand this technique … If England can be kept in a weakened
    condition by over-population, and Canada prevented from becoming stronger by under-population
    and industrial development, they both become an easy prey for Communist aggression.’ ”

    “The long arms of those two great forces which appear to me to join in wreaking the havoc of our
    time reach even into this little fastness. The money-power and the revolutionary-power both spread their grasp over it. In every little town stands the office of the Mines Recruiting Corporation, and through its doors passes the constant stream of Basuto going to Johannesburg to dig gold for entombment in Kentucky. In the reverse direction, across the mountains from Johannesburg, come the Communist organizers. Natives who have received ‘education’ in this sense and operate the little printing-presses in Maseru or work among the tribesmen. No land is too small or remote for the Communist Party if it offers the prospect of setting white man against dark one, tribesman against chief, or Boer against Briton, in pursuit of the larger design. ”

    “The Communist and Zionist newspapers maintain it in England and South Africa, but the great bulk of it comes from America, where I later studied it with fascination. It is an amazing example of the subtle encouragement of passions. Negro Communists are paraded as typical specimens of an oppressed race (the Negro population as a whole is unresponsive to Communism). Some guiding hand gives a specious trend to all literature and entertainment. The book supplements of the leading newspapers each week review a mass of books about ‘the colour bar’, and mysterious committees make ‘awards’ to many of these. If an objective book about the subject appears in some other country, it may be taken over and made into a play which proves to be anti-colour-bar propaganda. The theme is constantly introduced into radio programmes, films, dramatic plays and even musical plays; London playgoers will find it in some of the great American successes performed there in recent years. Most of the big newspapers ‘run’ it as incessantly as the comic-strips. “

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @jacques sheete
  64. @JackOH

    “metering, pump station maintenance, dam inspections and maintenance, chlorination and flouridation, billing and collections, etc., all have to be done.”

    All the things the all-black Flint City Council failed at–which is no surprise.

    Am I the only person who remembers that when the Governor of Michigan initially stepped in and appointed an emergency manager to deal with Flint’s water crisis, the Left raised a hue and a cry about how this was tantamount to totalitarianism, a usurpation of local authority etc. But NOW, they cry and moan about how the state let the situation deteriorate to such an extent that babies’ lives were endangered and so on. Usual Leftist tactics, shifting direction of attack to exploit the fickle winds of political expediency.

    They lack basic integrity which is precisely why they can’t, say, manage a city’s water system, which, as you point out, entails honest, conscientious performance of the duties you stipulated.

    • Replies: @JackOH
    , @anarchyst
  65. @FromSA

    If Putin is intelligent he would arrange to move them over immediately as Russia would benefit from these people.

    It is my current understanding that Stavropol Krai, with the blessing from Kremlin, offered 15000 Boers to move immediately. It is, actually, up to Boers themselves when they will start, since it seems that legal procedures are complete at this phase. There is no doubt that Russia will benefit from these people, especially those who bring some wealth with them. The issue is what to do with others. Many of them do need help–I am talking about poor Boers. Considering a complete dysfunction of RSA state I can totally envision a very fast descent into hell with white genocide which will follow.

    • Replies: @FromSA
  66. Wally says:
    @Renoman

    Q: What countries are blackeys forcing themselves into?

    A: Countries that are largely euro-white.

  67. @mcohen

    I might be wrong but i somehow feel that obama could have kick started this peace initiative.

    You mean the guy who bombed Libya into a failed state, allowing ISIS to take their military equipment and creating a new slave trade in the region?

    Yes, you are wrong.

    • Replies: @mcohen
    , @Bubba
  68. Mike P says:
    @FromSA

    If Putin is intelligent he would arrange to move them over immediately as Russia would benefit from these people.

    Absolutely – they will work hard and fit right in, just like the German settlers on the Volga did in earlier centuries. It is beyond embarrassing that none of the Western countries shows any interest in the fate of these people.

  69. @Okechukwu

    I could provide a litany of statistics that prove whites live like royalty in SA compared to blacks.

    It’s THEIR nation. THEY built it. The only things blacks have done is strip it of it’s industrialized first world status and replace that with the designation of ‘rape capital of Earth’. Including infant rape. And now they’re implementing Rhodesia-style genocide of the whites, even using some of the same mercenaries from Zimbabwe. Which there’s video footage of. And the ANC is on video publicly stating they’re going to do. And is on legal record formally implementing and initiating plans for.

    Coverage of this has become so mainstream that you can now find articles discussing it being linked from Drudge Report at this point, and here you are denying it anyway. Self delusion doesn’t change reality, buddy, it just distances you from it.

    But I’d be wasting my time in this cesspool.

    By that logic taking the time to write a comment at all was a waste of your time. Yet, here you are. All the time in the world for your own laughable racist propaganda, and not a moment to spare to back it up with a single fact. Couldn’t name a single one of those ‘legitimate organizations’, could you? Convenient for you, predictable to us.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    , @Malla
  70. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    I have read your article on Russia-insider.

    Which one? It seems Russia-Insider reposts some posts from my blog?

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  71. Mike P says:
    @Stan d Mute

    How much “intelligence” is required to put a seed in dirt and wait? Intelligent farmers are a liability.

    Nonsense. Making a living as a farmer takes a lot more knowledge and intelligence than your average 9-5 bullshit office job.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  72. My Dear Fellow ‘Merkins:

    While we all have sympathy for the whites and others who suffer from violence in South Africa, maybe we should wipe our own noses first.

    Violence in Chicago has been a problem for some time now. But it’s now out-of-control with 77 people shot last week!

    http://www.unz.com/video/ronpaullibertyreport_chicagos-violence-is-out-of-control-whos-at-fault/

    And maybe we should not let the S African violence distract us from what our bosses have been doing to the Palestinians 24/7 for ~70 years. Maybe.

    Sincerely,

    JS

    • Replies: @renfro
  73. Malla says:
    @Malla

    More snippets from another of Mr. Reed’s book ‘The Siege Of Southern Africa’, published in 1974

    “In Angola they are engaged, as they well know, in a war which they cannot militarily win because it is not a war at all, in any sense in which the word was ever used in history. It is an international conspiracy in which half the governments of the world join, wearing the mocking mask of moral indignation: Russian and Chinese Communists, American Quakers, British Socialists, Norwegian, Swedish and German Socialists. It can go on as long as hireling murderers can be enlisted by the promise of loot, women, private vengeance and political appointments. It can go on as long as America, Russia, China, “the satellite States”, Cuba and Algeria flood Africa with arms for these hirelings, and as long as the Socialist party in England and the Roosevelt school in America lavish money on them.”

    “The open frontal attack has not happened, or not yet, and the siege of Southern Africa which has been conducted during the last decade is of an entirely new nature. It is one of bombardment by falsehood, threat and menace from the body ludicrously called the “United Nations” in New York; of murder, arson and rapine by hired assassins on the borders of the four countries chiefly besieged; and of incitement by words and money gifts from innumerable “democratic” Governments and Communist “cover organizations” all over the world.”

    “These emissaries infiltrate into the Ovambo villages by night and “disturb and incite the tribespeople, particularly the young men, with tales of coming invasions patronized by the House of Helots in New York and limitlessly supplied with Chinese and Russian arms. The leftist-liberal world conspiracy has reached into this remote and peaceful pastoral community.

    “Mr. Ruark did not add what I will append here: these hideous miscreants were the proteges of those ravening wolves, the Liberals of New York, as well as the hirelings of Communism. Their leader, an abominable creature of many aliases, is best known as Holden Roberto. Just eighteen months before the massacre he went to the United States where he was made warmly welcome by the American Committee on Africa, the State Department, the Central Intelligence Agency and Mrs. Eleanor Roosevelt.”
    Hideous miscreants in the above snippet refers to black terrorists who massacred both blacks and Whites, trained by communist USSR, China and North Korea and financed by the USA.

    • Replies: @Malla
  74. “Obama Promotes Genocide In South Africa”

    FIFY

  75. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Same thing happened in Rhodesia. Blacks used as weapons against Whites, the same thing happens in the USA today. These snippets from Douglas Reed’s book on Rhodesia titled ‘The Battle for Rhodesia’ (originally published in 1966) will throw some more light into the whole conspiracy where New York/ London bankers collaborated with Communist Soviet Union, North Korea and the People’s Republic of China in destroying Rhodesia. All supported by the proto One World Government, the United Nations (or the ‘House of Helots’ as Mr. Reed rightly calls it). American/British money and Soviet/Chinese/N.Korean arms used to destroy Rhodesia using blacks as weapons.

    America makes local forays “against Communism” which leave no dent in the thing itself and end in semi-fiasco (witness Korea, Vietnam, Cuba). Betweenwhiles, American State patronage of the revolution in reality goes on and is plainest to see in Africa, where implacable American pressure for “black majority rule” has helped bring about the present chaos of racial and tribal warfare in northern Africa, under cover of which communism, leaping over the Middle East and the Indian Ocean, has planted its first overseas colony-in-embryo at Dar es Salaam on the East African coast, whence “news” about the rest of Africa reaches the ears of “the free world” through the B.B.C. and the Voice of America.

    “The logical next step was independence for Southern Rhodesia, far more advanced than the others, self-governing for forty years, raised by its own bootstraps to its status, without monetary or other help from others. More than thirty new “States” had been fabricated out of the tribal complex of Africa and were being propped up with British money while they clamoured for war in New York.^^^ It was unimaginable, in 1963, that to Rhodesia alone, in all this continent, independence should be denied. ”

    Reed is writing here about the The Unilateral Declaration of Independence by Rhodesia from Great Britain in 1967. Ian Smith, was one of the signatories to it.

    more from the book

    “As by careful planning, all the sources of war conjoin at this moment in time: the case against South Africa at the International Court, the published plan for war on South Africa (see a later chapter), the siege of Rhodesia, the communist terrorism in Rhodesia, the war- mongering majority of irresponsibles in the United Nations, and, above all, the now public incitement by the United States (if its representative there speaks for the President, as one must assume, and not against him).

    A perilous brink, my masters, and I trust that you may think on these things when next you hear or
    read about “freedom fighters” or “guerillas” in Rhodesia. May your minds then conjure up the
    image of that constant shuttle- service between Lusaka, Dar es Salaam and the distant communist
    terrorist-camps; of the encouragement given to all that by your politicians in London, Washington
    and New York; and of that lonely mud-and-wattle hut blazing in the night with black folk trapped
    inside.

    “All that was done, and could not come again unless it came from outside. But the voices from across the border, from London, from something incomprehensible to “the African people” called the United Nations in New York continued their incitement: the shuttle-service between Dar es Salaam and communist Asia plied on … The terror by night still lurked in the alien shadows. ”

    Tanzania (hence its capital Dar es Salaam) was a semi communist country then and the communist Soviets and Chinese had set up training camps in that country for these terrorists, often described as “Black Nationalists” or “freedom fighters” by the controlled commie Western media. All funded by American/British money.

    more from the book below

    These were forced on it by the encouragement given in London and New York to the terrorists called “African nationalists” (a meaningless term in any context, let alone that of a continent containing a multitude of different, mutually antagonistic races, peoples and tribes. Are there, then “European nationalists” and “Asiatic nationalists”? Would the United States tolerate the idea of “South American nationalists”?). “

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    , @jacques sheete
  76. @Jeff Stryker

    I thought Putin/Russia had offered a home to South African white farmers?

  77. Malla says:

    South Africa was already lost when the Afrikaner Broederbond, an Afrikaner organisation which was the ideological party of the political National party, was infiltrated by masons and internationalist secret organisations. The ANC was already infiltrated by communists in less than 3 years of its formation and was basically a communist front. This infiltration of the Broederbond happened after the assassination of Dr. Hendrik Verwoerd, PM of South Africa in 1966 . Already by the 1970s the South African government was moving towards the destruction of South Africa.
    This video is extremely vital to understand this

    For example at 26:05 minutes of the above video, Lucas Mangope, President of the Bantustan (homeland) of Bophuthatswana says that Mr. P. W. Botha went to meet him (remember this is supposed to be during the “dark days” of Apartheid), he was accompanied by a Mr. Maharaj, an Indian communist agitator scum from the ANC. Why would a president of Apartheid South Africa go on his official business accompanied by an ANC commie?
    The whole South African state vs the Mandela/ ANC struggle was a kabuki theatre, a stage play, all fake. Just like so many “independence struggles” worldwide in the last century (Algeria, Indonesia, Vietnam, India, Angola etc…)
    Pre 1994 South Africa was ready to give each tribe independent homelands with prime grade lands, rich in resources, but the Globalist elites would have none of that. They wanted a future united communist South Africa over the dead bodies of White South Africans.

  78. @Renoman

    Bottom of the evolutionary totem pole, complete with pervasive warlord mentality and highly prone to any and all delusions of grandeur sold to them under the guise of Afrocentrism. The missing link truly is still among us.

    Hong! Hong! Hong! To hell with you!

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @hunor
  79. Malla says:

    This documentary ‘Farmlands’ by Lauren Southern is a must watch.

    One more is the interview of Karin Smith. She also has information about charities to help poor White South Africans, who are forced to live in stinky landfills by the evil ANC government.

    An organisation named ‘Suidlanders’ is preparing for the coming storm.

    • Replies: @Truth
  80. crimson2 says:

    Hmm…the usual bullshit lies from white supremacist Unz writers. 70 white people being murdered isn’t a year isn’t a genocide. And it certainly isn’t Obama’s fault. More white farmers were killed under George W. Bush, but you inbred racist dipshits never went after him.

    Now, if you want to save white people, focus on suicide. But that’s not your goal. Your goal is to incite racial violence against blacks and other minorities by fear-mongering shit that happens on a different fucking continent.

    In summary, go fuck yourself, Ilana.

  81. crimson2 says:
    @Melpheos

    Exactly. The highest murder total for white farmers happened under Trump. And Bush oversaw lots more murders than Obama. But these yokels have to blame the black guy so they can feel superior for once in their dull lonely lives.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Stripes Duncan
  82. crimson2 says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    None of them accepted me.

    Yeah, they’ve got enough inbred racists of their own. They don’t need any imports.

  83. Okechukwu says:
    @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    I’ve no doubt that you’re well-versed in extremist Afrikaner slogans and talking points. But you see, in the real world we do this thing called due diligence. It is in that context that all of these claims have been thoroughly vetted and found to be garbage.

    The real world deals in facts and only facts. Lying polemicists like Ilana Mercer instinctively stay clear of credible mainstream fora in order to avoid that thing called due diligence. Hence she finds refuge in places like this where she assumes her propaganda will go unchallenged.

  84. Malla says:

    This is freakin GOLD. A well known black terrorist so called ‘nationalist’ Julius Malema, admits that the bantu blacks are not native to South Africa but came from the North.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    , @Truth
  85. Okechukwu says:
    @Technomad

    And when the white farmers are gone, the blacks will find that they don’t know how to grow food, and will howl “Feed us! We’re starving!”

    The whites don’t actually do any farming. The blacks are the farmers. The whites have access to capital, using stolen land as collateral.

    You have to wonder that if the blacks don’t know how to farm, why has the conflict in Southern Africa been about recovering stolen ancestral farm lands from white land thieves? This has been the crux of the conflict throughout Southern Africa since the 19th century.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Bubba
  86. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    This is freakin GOLD. A well known black terrorist so called ‘nationalist’ Julius Malema, admits that the bantu blacks are not native to South Africa but came from the North

    And the Angles and Saxons aren’t native to Britain.

    • Replies: @Malla
  87. Malla says:
    @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    WOW!!! South Africa is screwed big time. This is a circus or what?

  88. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    stay clear of credible mainstream fora

    So called credible mainstream fora spoke of ‘Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq’ once. ‘Credible mainstream flora’ is today screaming about pan-sexuals and sexual fluidity. No wonder you love taking refuge there.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  89. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Same thing happened in Rhodesia. Blacks used as weapons against Whites, the same thing happens in the USA today.

    Whites left Zimbabwe because they didn’t want to live under a black government. Good riddance. If you use the word genocide to describe the events in Zimbabwe then you don’t know the meaning of the world.

    In actuality, the whites that remained in Zim thrived. There are white politicians, white Olympic gold medalists and very successful white entrepreneurs.

    Moreover, despite their minuscule percentage of the population, the best private schools in Zimbabwe are majority white.

    See, what I just did to you is what we in the real world call due diligence. It’s how we quickly shoot down the sort of racist propaganda you are promoting.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Wally
    , @Malla
  90. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    ‘Credible mainstream flora’ is today screaming about pan-sexuals and sexual fluidity. No wonder you love taking refuge there.

    Malla, get your facts straight. It’s Africa that’s waging a bitter twilight struggle against the encroachment of sexual deviancy and perversion from the white West. As Bob Mugabe said, “We are not gays.”

    • Replies: @Malla
  91. The blacks in South Africa are predominantly immigrant Bantu, who moved south, from their own genocidal wars in the Africa lakes region. Afrikaners have been in South Africa for hundreds of years. With modern infrastructure an farming, the black population exploded. They have out-group hostility to whites for the successful civilization whites created. They will destroy everything and South Africa will descend into hell just like the other African Republics. They can not maintain a western society. We will continue to support them and they will spread across the land like locusts.

    It is disgusting that western whites are not outraged and using all means necessary to help our white brethren. We have no racial identity or sense of racial reality. South Africa is the cannery in the coal mine for all white nations to address. Look your future directly in the eye white people!!

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  92. Malla says:

    Great video

    Cape Town: Gangs, Race and Poverty 20 years after Apartheid
    Looks like the black ANC are not only discriminating against Whites but also the cape coloured too (mulatoes like most African Americans).

    Check out 3:38 to 4:12 minutes where a coloured (Mulatoes) South African says that life was better under White regime. Also racism they face from the black ANC government today.

    From 4:12 to 4:50 minutes also check out that coloured South African saying clearly how blacks were never in cape town before and now they face discrimination by pure blacks. A new Apartheid between blacks and coloured now.

    From 12:47 to 13:50 minutes the coloured shopkeeper complains about discrimination in jobs against the Cape Coloured in favour of blacks.

  93. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    I am aware of that dumbo. I remember the Kenyan President embarrass President Obama on his face when he rejected homosexuality.
    What I am saying is that your so called ‘reputed mainstream’ is not reputed for a sensible person and may not be mainstream for long. The same lefties (and their elite banker supporters) who supported all those African ‘nationalist’ movements (without whose help none of those “movements” would have succeeded), who support BLM are the same guys supporting gender bending and pan sexuality.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  94. swede55 says:
    @JackOH

    Flouridation doesn’t have to be done and shouldn’t be done.

  95. Okechukwu says:
    @Scipio Africanus

    The blacks in South Africa are predominantly immigrant Bantu, who moved south, from their own genocidal wars in the Africa lakes region. Afrikaners have been in South Africa for hundreds of years.

    But if we apply just a little bit of scrutiny, this myth collapses:

    The Empty Land Myth

    The Myth of the empty land had become a central tenet of both British and Afrikaner identity in nineteenth century South Africa and had been used as a justification for the capture and settlement of Bantu land. The Apartheid Government had transformed the myth to serve its own ends. They used it to support the Homelands Act and to confine the Bantu people to particularly localities, arguing that the rest of the country had been ‘empty’ and therefore could not form part of their Homelands. Since the 1980s however, evidence has shown that the myth of the empty land simply cannot be sustained. Rather than being historical fact, it is a convenient fiction that has served as a political tool.

    https://www.sahistory.org.za/article/empty-land-myth

    And while we’re on the subject of myths and hoaxes, here’s more:

    THE WHITE GENOCIDE HOAX IN SOUTH AFRICA – STOP THE MADNESS

    The most important take away is that crime affects everyone and if anything, white people are less affected by it because a large majority of white South Africans live in gated communities and have the luxury of security. Most violent crimes tend to happen in underdeveloped areas called townships and it just so happens that those areas are occupied by black people who were forcefully removed from their homes and packed into there like sardines after being dispossessed of land.

    http://afropunk.com/2018/04/white-genocide-hoax-south-africa-stop-madness/

    This is why you people are struggling mightily to mainstream these ideas. They’re rather easy to disprove.

    • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
  96. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    That black communist supported government would not have come had it not for the help of the banking elites. There were rich blacks even in Rhodesia. The elites did not want Whites in power in Zimbabwe, they do not mind a few Whites left over at the mercy of the ZANU government. You are seeing this as a black white issue, I am talking about the real conspiracy behind all these developments, the black white rivalry thing is only cover.

    Your ANC government had loads of so called ‘chosen people’ behind it’s back.

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2014/05/09/jacob-zuma-aemfc-and-the-threat-of-nationalization-of-mining-in-south-africa/

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2013/12/08/mandela-family-and-the-israeli-mafia-in-south-africa/

    MANDELA FAMILY AND THE ISRAELI MAFIA IN SOUTH AFRICA

    from the link
    “This strange tale proves it with Mandelas third wife being directly involved with the Israeli Mafia in South Africa”

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2018/02/15/south-africa-the-jewish-ramaphosa-coup/

    SOUTH AFRICA THE JEWISH RAMAPHOSA COUP

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2014/11/15/the-central-african-holocaust-and-the-bling-bang-torah-gang/

    https://wideawakegentile.wordpress.com/2014/11/15/the-central-african-holocaust-and-the-bling-bang-torah-gang-part-2/

    THE CENTRAL AFRICAN HOLOCAUST AND THE BLING BANG TORAH GANG

    The chosen are all around Africa looting the mineral wealth and creating wars and troubles. They want to live with you black people and then loot you. Try removing them if you can. Good luck. One African leader tried. Tried making everybody aware of it. Guess what happened to him.

    Let us check out what happened African leader Muammar Gaddafi.
    From

    http://survincity.com/2010/07/sarkozy-gaddafi-and-purim/

    Sarkozy, Gaddafi and Purim

    In 2009, during the Extraordinary Summit of the African Union, Muammar Gaddafi said that “all military conflicts on the African continent is Israel”
    AFP notes that Gaddafi has repeatedly issued strident anti-Israeli statements, in particular, it offered to all member countries of the African Union to break off diplomatic relations with Israel, because, according to Gaddafi, the Israeli authorities are nothing more than a “gang.”

    “Or look at Purim. We celebrate nothing more than a mass killing of tens of thousands of men, women and children, which we did not like.
    But Haman was executed eleven months before Purim, so that the threat is long past. No, we’re just celebrating the massacre of enemies, rather than just getting rid ”

    So the slaughter of Gaddafi during the Jewish holiday with a very bright light of the moon looks very symbolic. You could even call this ritual slaughter.

    Incidentally, the U.S. attack on Iraq in 2003, also took place during this Jewish holiday.”

    if you are not aware, Purim is a Jewish celebration on which day the Jews celebrate the destruction of their enemies. It is primarily directed at Hannan, the Persian nationalist who tries to rid his country of parasites but thanks to Queen Esther, it is he and his sons who ended up hanged.
    The American and European Zio elites got rid of Gaddafi on the Jewish holy day of Purim when most Christians Europeans and Americans as well as Muslims hardly know about this festival let alone celebrate it. It is these same chosenites (not all but the powerful ones) who orchestrated all this decolonization in Africa (as well as in Asia and Ireland) as well as the destruction of Rhodesia and Apartheid South Africa. They did it for a reason and the reason is not good.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  97. @Malla

    This is nothing black vs White, this is globalist elites using their communist arm who in turn are using blacks as weapons against White South Africans.

    Very little doubt about it or something very similar. To me the current situation sounds a lot like what the Bolshies did to the prosperous farmers in the USSR, who were smeared as “kulaks” and wiped out in the most grotesque ways imaginable.

    I wouldn’t be surprised to find that a Reed-like claim that certain rich whites there are still prospering amid the troubles, and will probably grab the productive farms and control the mineral wealth once the current owners are history.

    Reed certainly has his fingers on the pulses of the Reds’ methods,

    Natives who have received ‘education’ in this sense and operate the little printing-presses ..

    .

    That’s the sort of thing I was alluding to in my comment above regarding “education.”

    • Replies: @Malla
  98. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    What I am saying is that your so called ‘reputed mainstream’ is not reputed for a sensible person and may not be mainstream for long.

    But your assertions are so facile and uninformed that even a child can refute them. No reputed mainstream needed.

    The same lefties (and their elite banker supporters) who supported all those African ‘nationalist’ movements (without whose help none of those “movements” would have succeeded).

    Nope. I’d say black men with AK-47′s had a much greater impact upon white colonialists than bankers and leftists did. Colonialism and brutal repression are fun and all when the other side isn’t armed. But when there’s a price to pay in their own blood, suddenly there’s a recalculation.

    who support BLM are the same guys supporting gender bending and pan sexuality.

    Maybe, just maybe, BLM is an organic grassroots movement that emerged out of a desire to effect social change. White people protest too, you know. And usually they protest much more violently. How about Occupy Wall Street or the globalization protests or the G20 riots? Or the riots after sporting events? You seem to reserve your disdain just for black protests, which are actually more meaningful than the aforementioned. Just say you’re a racist and be done with it.

    • Replies: @Bucky
    , @Malla
  99. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Whites are as native to South Africa as black bantus are, indeed in some parts of South Africa even more.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  100. Truth says:
    @Anonymous

    LOL!

    Then how the hell are they going to keep stealing all the jewels, minerals, metals and fossil fuels?

  101. Truth says:

    Hey Ila, 28 murders is “genocide”?

    Where, on a city bus?

    And when did Barry become President again?

  102. mcohen says:
    @Jake

    Die ware jakobs

    That about sums it up.never mind that many boers ended up in concentration camps courtesy of lord kitchener

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_concentration_camps

    That the afrikaaners have been abandoned by the british empire is not surprising.the role of the dutch reformed church is another reason.afrikaaners are normally quite relegious and they believed firmly that they had a covenant with G-d to rule south africa

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_Reformed_Church_in_South_Africa_(NGK)

    Read the wiki link it sums it all up.

    • Replies: @Malla
  103. @Malla

    Same thing happened in Rhodesia.

    Thanks for your comments; they’re a welcome antidote to the mindless garbage spewed by far too many ignorant commenters here who can’t see the obvious. Unfortunately, most will fail even when it’s pointed out to them.

    These things occur in pretty consistent patterns, and have for many decades if not centuries, but the goon classes can’t understand that and instead blame the victims while the profiteers laugh all the way to the bank.

    I think it should be obvious by now what Mercer is all about, and it isn’t sympathy for the white farmers.

    Ours is a problem in which deception has become organized and strong; where truth is poisoned at its source; one in which the skill of the shrewdest brains is devoted to misleading a bewildered people.

    -Walter Lippman, A Preface to Politics (1913), quoted in The Essential Lippmann, pp. 516-517

    Lippman should know; he was involved in Allied propaganda.

    • Replies: @Malla
  104. Wally says:
    @Okechukwu

    said:
    “I could provide a litany of statistics that prove whites live like royalty in SA compared to blacks. But I’d be wasting my time in this cesspool.

    IOW, you have no “litany of statistics”.

    “Cesspool”?

    Yet you post here.

  105. Malla says:
    @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    So called mainstream media cannot be trusted obviously. In the 1960s, when the propaganda companies, the so called media houses like the BBC and Voice of America were bleating and braying all day about evil Apartheid South Africa and evil colonial Empires and evil Rhodesia etc… they were strangely silent about a massacre which took place in the Portuguese Empire, in Angola.

    From Douglas Reed’s book ‘The Battle of Rhodesia’
    Photographs of this massacre exist but are unlikely ever to reach the outer world (similarly, the Rhodesian Government’s report on the deeds perpetrated by “U.N. troops” in Katanga was withheld at London’s request).

    One published document exists which, if it were widely distributed in England, might at last
    awaken opinion there to what has happened and will happen in Africa, and so produce a restraining effect on London and New York. This book. The Fabric Of Terror, did achieve publication in America (the publisher, Mr. Devin Garritty, tells me that “no one in England would dare touch it”).

    It is an unemotional account, by a Portuguese writer, Mr. Bernardo Teixeira, of what was done
    along a 500-mile stretch of northern Angola on March 15, 1961, by terrorists from a communist
    camp across the Congo Republic border who, says Mr. Robert Ruark in his introduction, “did not hunger and thirst for freedom: they hungered for rape and thirsted for blood”, massacred more than five hundred brown, black and white folk that day, from aged men and women to newborn babes and even babes unborn. The peak of obscenity was reached when living victims were bound to planks and passed through a sawmill.

    The leaders of the usual “African nationalist” organization which carried out this massacre (called,
    in this case, the “Union of the People of Angola”) were interviewed in New York four months later
    by M. Pierre de Vos of the leading Paris newspaper, Le Monde. They confirmed, and even boasted about all that was done. M. de Vos said there was proof of tortures perpetrated upon men, women and even children: “Do you deny these massacres?” “No, all that is true … They massacred
    everything”. “Women and children included?”, asked M. de Vos. “Yes, why deny it”. M. de Vos
    then asked about the sawmill killings, and one of the group, “with a broad smile”, said, “We sawed
    them lengthwise”.

    Nothing of this reached the mind of the outer world and the men involved continued to be courted in the corridors of the United Nations, and to pursue their propaganda there, “and in the chancelleries of those many nations which judge, for one or another reason, that they have
    something to gain from sailing with the African wind”, says an eminent American writer, Mr.
    James Bumham, in his afterword to the book. He adds, “on the political warfare front impressive
    victories have been won, as the votes of the U.N. bodies and the anti -Portuguese bias of most of the
    press demonstrate”.

    Then he says, “Not the least of the propaganda victories has been the concealment of the events of March 15, 1961″.

    Well, the book, with its photographs, is to be had, by those who wish to know. But as yet the
    Western world only hears of such things as Miss Phombeya’s toe, and the political gentlemen
    continue to talk about the “police state” in peaceful Rhodesia. “

  106. Truth says:
    @Den Lille Abe

    …Well, you could move to Norway and just have people mocking your accent all day long.

    • Replies: @Den Lille Abe
  107. @Okechukwu

    Lying polemicists like Ilana Mercer instinctively stay clear of credible mainstream fora…

    You need to retake Sowing Confusion 101. While I agree that Mercer writes like an obvious sh!t-stirrer and tyro provocateur, there ain’t no such thing as “credible mainstream fora…”

  108. Wally says:
    @Okechukwu

    said:
    “See, what I just did to you is what we in the real world call due diligence”

    You “did” nothing but make a fool of yourself.
    Your use of “due diligence” proves that you don’t even know what it means.

    So where’s the statistics that you claim prove that “whites live like royalty”? LOL
    We’re waiting.

    you also said:
    “Moreover, despite their minuscule percentage of the population, the best private schools in Zimbabwe are majority white.”

    No doubt they’re the best because they are “majority white” Now insert the other foot.

    Now THIS is racism.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  109. Bucky says:
    @Okechukwu

    Lies. Not even that, because lying requires knowledge.

    BLM killed 5 cops in Dallas. It killed 3 in Baton Rouge.

    Occupy did nothing like that.

    BLM also lies about black crime rates. The reason why so many blacks end up being killed is because black criminality is so high and so they end up being on suspect descriptions.

    What BLM wants ultimately is equality in outcome. The only way to achieve that is to sentence black persons to less for the same crime. Not only that, but the surrounding communities suffering the effects of criminality are never included in the calculation. Their concerns are only met with “tough luck.” It is only about black perceptions of unfairness, because blacks feel a sense of nationalism and cucky whites are dumb enough to believe them.

    • Replies: @Truth
  110. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    That black communist supported government would not have come had it not for the help of the banking elites.

    The USSR, China and the Eastern Bloc were banking elites? Who knew?

    The Rhodesians had their supporters, principal among them was Apartheid South Africa. The black freedom fighters had their supporters. The Rhodesians had every advantage in terms of modern weaponry yet they were still defeated in the field. Trying to minimize the victory of the guerrillas with ridiculous references to “bankers” and “leftist” does nothing to dampen the sweat taste of their well-earned victory.

    The elites did not want Whites in power in Zimbabwe, they do not mind a few Whites left over at the mercy of the ZANU government. You are seeing this as a black white issue, I am talking about the real conspiracy behind all these developments, the black white rivalry thing is only cover.

    Shit, you’re an idiot. Contrary to what you white supremacist nitwits believe, black Africans do have agency and self-esteem and pride. It was they that wanted to dislodge a brutal white minority regime that treated them as third class citizens on their own land. It had absolutely nothing do do with any “global elites.”

    One thing you have to understand is that Africans never bought into the idea white supremacy. Sure, white societies were more advanced technology. But that didn’t mean that they were better or smarter. Impressions are formed on the basis of individual contacts and many white individuals are as dumb as rocks. Somebody like Mugabe, who was smarter than every white person he came across, was not going to accede to being ruled by lesser people simply on the basis of them having white skin.

    • Replies: @bucky
    , @mcohen
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  111. @Mike P

    Nonsense. Making a living as a farmer takes a lot more knowledge and intelligence than your average 9-5 bullshit office job.

    Yeah, collecting government welfare checks sure is tough. https://farm.ewg.org

    And pushing those tricky buttons to make your tractor or harvester follow GPS on autopilot! Oh my..

    I spent half my life on a farm son. Sell that “poor farmers” crap to the city folk. Farmers can’t even fix their own tractors and implements today.

    Farming used to require some intelligence, sort of, maybe, but more in a “common sense” practical way than the fancy book learning required of office pokies. Today what’s most important is an absolute lack of self-respect and dignity as you hold out your hand demanding more subsidies.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  112. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    But your assertions are so facile and uninformed

    Not true at all. It is just that you do not like them.

    Nope. I’d say black men with AK-47′s had a much greater impact upon white colonialists than bankers and leftists did

    If you still want to stick to your assertions, stick to it. Without help and funding from international organisations, those movements would not have started in the first place and if started would not have succeeded.

    Maybe, just maybe, BLM is an organic grassroots movement that emerged out of a desire to effect social change.

    GSLHFAO. George Soros is laughing his…….
    OK maybe it is a grass root movement, but I doubt it.

    You seem to reserve your disdain just for black protests

    Maybe you did not read my other posts on UNZ, you perhaps have better things to do. But if you were to read my posts you would realize that the freaking French “revolution” is under suspect, forget your black movements, I hardly talk about the black movements except in a few threads. The Russian “Revolution”, the English Cromwell “Revolution”, the Ukraine Maidan “revolution”, the Indian “Independence Movement”, the Irish “Independence Movement” are as much as suspect as the BLM.

  113. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    If I am not mistaken, Robert Mugabe had a teaching diploma and he taught at various schools around Rhodesia. He even won a scholarship to study at the University of Fort Hare in South Africa’s Eastern Cape. All this in Rhodesia and Apartheid South Africa, he a black man got an education and a free scholarship. I thought black people were not given any education by the racists.

    Nelson Mandela got his BA degree at the University of Fort Hare, which was an elite black institution in Alice, Eastern Cape. He later studied law at the University of the Witwatersrand to become a lawyer.

  114. bucky says:
    @Okechukwu

    Whites aren’t stupid.

    Well, put it this way. They might seem stupid to you, because you are used to living in a low-trust society where you have to be diligent about everything that isn’t bolted down. That makes you “smart” I suppose, but in reality your mental energies are being wasted on distrusting the people around you.

    White people are trusting. They’ve built up this trust over centuries. Because white people developed in societies where lying and deceit is not the norm, but treating others in benevolent fashion, with healthy competition, is the norm.

    Why can’t black people run simple stuff? Because they’re always fighting and arguing over minor stuff. Because they don’t have the capacity for self-reflection. Because they’re generally nasty and unpleasant people to be around and the work they produce isn’t very good.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  115. Truth says:
    @Malla

    One more is the interview of Karin Smith. She also has information about charities to help poor White South Africans, who are forced to live in stinky landfills by the evil ANC government.

    Oh, and I take it they were in the Beverly Hills of S.A. when the whites were in charge?

    • Replies: @Malla
  116. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Whites are as native to South Africa as black bantus are

    This is demonstrably false. Funny how you employ the same ahistorical lies as the Jews you hate so much. The Jews applied something akin to your empty land myth as justification for continued expansion in Palestine, even as they bulldozed Palestinian homes in those purportedly empty lands.

    indeed in some parts of South Africa even more.

    You know, there are vast tracts of land in Europe that are vacant. I suppose I could set up my own republic there, eh? But I think not. I think Europeans consider those lands to be theirs even if they’re not standing on them 24/7.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @mcohen
    , @mcohen
    , @TKK
  117. Truth says:
    @crimson2

    OK, a smart guy. Finally.

  118. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    The USSR, China and the Eastern Bloc were banking elites? Who knew?

    There are a lot of posts on unz.com about the financial support given to these communist movements by Western banking elites. Even Ron Unz did a post on the funding of the Russian revolution.

    It had absolutely nothing do do with any “global elites.”

    It had everything to do with global elites. Douglas Reed has explained it well.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  119. Truth says:
    @Malla

    Well I have a pretty darned good feeling that guys named Du Plooy aren’t native to S.A. either, old sport.

    • Replies: @Malla
  120. Malla says:
    @mcohen

    The old Testament can surely have strange effects on people’s minds. Even the Puritans had the same mindset.

  121. what other african country believed the same a few years ago and what did they do a couple of years later? you literally are illiterate in history.
    you dont understand this, but you just proved a few of the more extreme posters here right;)
    i regret to say.

  122. Malla says:
    @jacques sheete

    You are welcome bud.

    have for many decades if not centuries

    Maybe centuries. If you read Nesta Webster’s book on the French Revolution. Even the Mexican revolution (Pacho Villa) seems similarly suspect.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  123. Truth says:
    @Bucky

    BLM killed 5 cops in Dallas. It killed 3 in Baton Rouge.

    BLM killed no one. It’s high school theatre for dummies…Dummy.

  124. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Trying to minimize the victory of the guerrillas with ridiculous references to “bankers” and “leftist” does nothing to dampen the sweat taste of their well-earned victory.

    Those references are not ridiculous, they are just beyond your understanding. These posts I am writing are obviously not for you but for others. These guerrillas and their so called “victories” (victories of the banking elites actually) are part of a much bigger phenomenon which some of us are interested in.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  125. @animalogic

    I think what the author had in mind was that apartheid didn’t end in a vacuum. As North Korea has demonstrated, the way to deal with the US is a nuclear weapons program. SA has an advanced nuclear weapons program, from which its govt. voluntarily walked away. How sustainable do you suppose the economic boycott would have been had SA followed through, developed working nuclear weapons and said “Gee, sorry you’re cross with us US and Europe. But we’ve all these nuclear weapons, and all this know-how. It’d be a real shame to see any proliferation happen.”

    That is the Onky viable way to deal with the US and NATO. Acquiescence to a bully only builds expectations for future acquiescence. The way to deal with a bully is to build a viable means of defense, and let it be known that you’ll punch him square in the face and inflict a lot of pain.

    Nuclear weapons could have been a trump card squash the economic boycot that made apartheid unsustainable. Likewise, even under the weight of sanctions, Whites elected a government that voluntarily ceded power.

    It’s simple Darwinism. There are too many Whites who live in a sanctimonious fairlyland, in which they would rather condemn their children and grandchildren than to have anything that could be construed as “intolerance” pass from their filthy, precious pursed virtuous White lips. They’re doing the very same in Europe and the US.

    So, yeah, we’re not talking about a simple faux pas. We’re talking about a collective inability or unwillingness of a huge subgroup of Whites to advocate and secure their own interests.

    So, sure, let them reap the benefits of their collective action, both good and ill. Maybe I’ll shed a tear for the Boers someday, but surely not today. Enjoy your Justice and equality, you virtuous idiots. You’ve surely earned it.

  126. mcohen says:
    @mark green

    Alan paton wtote “cry the beloved country” not a “sussman”.whats wrong wong,facts a little slippery.dim sim

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Paton

    • Replies: @mark green
  127. renfro says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    for some reason the link at the site wont copy but here is the article……don’t get your panties all in a wad, I said I didnt know anything about this and found only conflicting sources and this seemed to be in-between.

    Who are South Africa’s ‘persecuted’ white farmers? | SBS News

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/who-are-south-africa-s-persecuted-white-farmers

    Mar 15, 2018 – The survey found that in 2015-2016, there were 51 South Africans murdered every day. Although this is a drop from 1994, when that number …

  128. Okechukwu says:
    @Wally

    You “did” nothing but make a fool of yourself.
    Your use of “due diligence” proves that you don’t even know what it means.

    Indeed I do. It’s a business term. It’s just that you aren’t bright enough to expand its application.

    So where’s the statistics that you claim prove that “whites live like royalty”? LOL
    We’re waiting.

    Well wait no longer. This is a nice recap of the relevant statistics.

    White people in South Africa still hold the lion’s share of all forms of capital

    https://theconversation.com/white-people-in-south-africa-still-hold-the-lions-share-of-all-forms-of-capital-75510

    No doubt they’re the best because they are “majority white” Now insert the other foot.

    But, gee dummy, if whites are being oppressed in Zim why are the best private schools majority white when whites constitute less than 0.1% of the population? So we both agree that there’s no oppression of whites in Zim. As a matter of fact, even Mugabe went out of his way to make whites feel welcome, so much so that a form of white privilege exists today in Zimbabwe.

    Now THIS is racism.

    Hey, dumbass, black workers are the most vulnerable people on those farms. Notice that your “statistics” say nothing about the race of the victims. Often the victims of farm attacks are blacks and not whites.

    • Replies: @Wally
  129. Malla says:
    @jacques sheete

    To me the current situation sounds a lot like what the Bolshies did to the prosperous farmers in the USSR, who were smeared as “kulaks” and wiped out in the most grotesque ways imaginable.

    It is the continuation of the same phenomenon.
    What many Whites and blacks have not realized in all this is appropriation without compensation of land is that ALL LAND WILL NOW WILL BE OWNED BY THE STATE. They just pushed in communist policies in the sneak.

    From

    https://www.thenational.ae/business/property/south-africa-braces-for-economic-fallout-of-land-nationalisation-move-1.709709

    “The ruling African National Congress (ANC), together with opposition party the Economic Freedom Fighters (who sponsored the bill), voted to change the country’s constitution to reduce property rights. The move has sparked fierce debate and could widened the racial divide in the top Industrialised African economy.

    EFF leader Julius Malema told reporters shortly after the vote that the push is for all the land, including farms and urban properties. “Every land in South Africa should be expropriated without compensation,” he said. “The state should be the custodian of the land.””

    …snip…

    “Although details of the nationalisation plan are thin, the EFF’s Mr Malema has touted a lease-rental model that would see existing homeowners become state tenants. This system is already in place in a number of African countries including Mozambique, which only allows a 99-year lease on farmland, instead of outright private ownership.

    “No one is going to lose his or her house, no one is going to lose his or her flat, no one is going to lose his or her factory or industry. All we are saying is they will not have the ownership of the land,” Mr Malema said.”

    So we see above that even blacks will not get ownership of the land.

    And not only White farmers but traditional chiefs lost their land too last year
    And last year https://www.timeslive.co.za/anc-conference-2017/2017-12-20-anc-resolves-to-take-away-rural-land-custodianship-from-chiefs/
    And Last year, the ANC took away rural land owned by traditional chiefs and distributed it among farmers only to take away land ownership from those farmers and give it to the state this year.
    Smooth commie operation.

    That’s the sort of thing I was alluding to in my comment above regarding “education.”

    Everything outside STEM subjects are risky now a days.

  130. renfro says:
    @jacques sheete

    While we all have sympathy for the whites and others who suffer from violence in South Africa, maybe we should wipe our own noses first.

    I would add that if we or any country doesn’t want a different race or group of other race landholders within it…..then we have no right to object to Africans or anyone else having the same view.
    Its spelled hypocritical.

  131. @Malla

    It had everything to do with global elites.

    There ya have it. And furthermore, it nearly always does have everything to do with that class of psychos.

    Even Okechukwu and some of our supposedly “high IQ” contributors (such as old 152, tsk, tsk) shouldn’t need to have that explained.

  132. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    This is demonstrably false.

    How? How are they less native than the bantus who came from the north?

    You know, there are vast tracts of land in Europe that are vacant. I suppose I could set up my own republic there, eh?

    No you cannot. Those lands are owned by the nations. But that was not the case in Southern parts South Africa. And you have to militarily defeat European nations to do that.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  133. @Malla

    Maybe centuries. If you read Nesta Webster’s book on the French Revolution. Even the Mexican revolution (Pacho Villa) seems similarly suspect.

    And the Am Rev is suspect as well.

    I think Fry was onto something.:

    Henceforth, Britain will do the bidding of her real masters ; she has
    become the tool of the schemers against all she holds dear, namely, her
    faith, her patriotism, traditions, civilisation. She grants the “ returned ”
    aliens equality of civil rights ; they may and do become mayors over
    Christian population, and within a short time Britain is ruled by a
    Jewish Prime Minister, Disraeli, first and foremost a Jew and the
    flunkey of the powerful Rothschild financiers.

    One of the consequences of this disastrous political mistake is the
    transformation of the national attitude of Great Britain and her
    colonies into that of the British Empire. Disraeli who inspired it
    knew what he was scheming for, the British people did not. But with
    him, Zionism is carried up to the very heights of the British Throne, a
    Zionist World Empire is on the high road to realisation.

    -Leslie Fry, “the Jews and the British Empire,” 1935

    https://archive.org/stream/FryLeslieTheJewsAndTheBritishEmpire/Fry_Leslie_-_The_jews_and_the_British_Empire_djvu.txt

    Nowadays the American empire is the tool. South Africa is another step on the path to a
    Zionist World Empire. It doesn’t take a genius to understand what role Mercer is playing here.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  134. Okechukwu says:
    @bucky

    Whites aren’t stupid.

    They’re not any more or less stupid than anyone else.

    Well, put it this way. They might seem stupid to you, because you are used to living in a low-trust society where you have to be diligent about everything that isn’t bolted down. That makes you “smart” I suppose, but in reality your mental energies are being wasted on distrusting the people around you.

    This is gibberish.

    White people are trusting. They’ve built up this trust over centuries. Because white people developed in societies where lying and deceit is not the norm, but treating others in benevolent fashion, with healthy competition, is the norm.

    This is comedy.

    Why can’t black people run simple stuff?

    Name one thing that whites can run that blacks can’t.

    Because they’re always fighting and arguing over minor stuff.

    But even whites admitted in the aftermath of WWI that that brutal war was fought over nothing. No one has butchered each other over trifles and inconsequential bullshit more than whites.

    Because they’re generally nasty and unpleasant people to be around and the work they produce isn’t very good.

    You could literally apply that indictment to 99.5% of the white posters on Unz. You see, in the real world we go with the facts. Your delusions and the voices in your head are irrelevant.

    • Replies: @Bucky
  135. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Oh, and I take it they were in the Beverly Hills of S.A. when the whites were in charge

    No they were not but forcing them into a landfill purposely is cruel. They could have had their humble abodes on many other lands other than a landfill.

  136. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Yes you are right. He is as native as Malema. The Khoi Sans are the only true native in that sense.

  137. TKK says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Yes, that’s it. I got the name wrong.
    Those are reliable tractors. With gas.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  138. mcohen says:
    @Okechukwu

    Nah rubbish about sums up the commentary by the usual suspects who have no clue.

    Ron is the new orange haired man

    He is……not a don but a ron

    Ron Trump or loving known as ront rump

  139. Malla says:
    @t-gordon

    Yup, all they care about are the mines. Even during apartheid, even under sanctions, South African gold was sent to America, to Fort Knox. All that gold might be in Israel today but this is mere speculation. Johannesburg was described as a very New York like city for many reasons.

  140. @Okechukwu

    You have to wonder that if the blacks don’t know how to farm, why has the conflict in Southern Africa been about recovering stolen ancestral farm lands from white land thieves?

    Maybe that’s not what it’s about.

    Perhaps it’s about stealing the farms from the current owners so the global ruling elite can own and/or control them. You may want to look into a concept like that. For instance, why did Morgenthau want to turn Germany into an agricultural economy? Why did the Bolshies destroy the “kulaks,” and who ended up with their farms?

    Also, who do you think wound up with the farms and businesses owned by the Japanese in California once the Japanese, our former allies, were demonized? Yes, the Japanese were “compensated” for their losses. At pennies on the dollar. Cui bono?

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  141. @Andrei Martyanov

    I have had serious disagreements with you over the years, but I can’t help but be impressed by your decent and honest response to this question. If Bantu barbarians can exterminate most South African whites, then race war is inevitable. It’s as simple as that.

  142. Malla says:
    @jacques sheete

    And the Am Rev is suspect as well.

    Yes I know of the Am Rev as well but I do not write about this on unz as this would upset many American Conservatives here. But from the Am Rev, some positive things did come out like the First Amendment and the right to bear arms, for a few example.
    Charles Giuliani (Truth Hertz) has many videos on the Am Rev, about the constitution and bill of rights. Even James Perloff has some videos on the American Revolution with one discussing specially discussing the Battle of Lexington and Concord.

    And what is scary is the way we are taught history. For example when I was taught about the French rev, I was never told about the Vendée. And even after school I had a lot of interest in history and it was only after a many years that I came to know about them (first heard about them from E. Micheal Jones before I did my own research). I was shocked that this was so well hidden from me in history. The Indian “Independence struggle” is very very suspect as well.

  143. @mcohen

    I had my wires crossed on the authorship of that book. But Suzman did indeed play a famously destructive role in the onslaught against the cultural integrity (and security interests) of white So. Africans in what has become a degenerate, ‘integrated’ and crime-ridden civilization.

    As a Jewish, liberal politician, Suzman was instrumental (along with countless other Jewish activists around the world) in de-legitimizing the white-created nation of South Africa.

    Suzman also opposed the creation of separate states for whites and blacks when peaceful racial separation came under fire by the a coalition of ‘liberals’, communists, progressives, blacks and Jews.

    Significantly, Suzman never had a harsh public word to say about Israel’s brutal supremacist regime. Suzman did support the separate Jewish community inside South Africa which did not “outmarry”. She is not known to have ever criticized any aspect of racial insularity (for Jews).

    Indeed, since the end of apartheid, tens of thousands of Jews from South Africa have emigrated to the deeply segregated (and ethnic-cleansing) state of Israel. Yet this fact never seemed to bother ‘anti-Apartheid’ Suzman.

    Suzman never spoke out against Israeli racism or the Israeli policies which have subjugated the native non-Jews there for over half a century. Suzman’s selective moral outrage qualifies her as a world-class Jewish hypocrite.

  144. @Malla

    These guerrillas and their so called “victories” (victories of the banking elites actually) are part of a much bigger phenomenon which some of us are interested in

    .

    As often as such scenarios have taken place, it’s a wonder such things have to be explained. This is the 21st century; one could be forgiven for thinking that such things have been obvious for some time. The fact should be especially obvious to those who understand what the Nazis were up against, but instead, their knee jerk emotional goofiness apparently clouds their thought processes.

    Bless you for trying to point such things out.

    • Replies: @Malla
  145. Eagle Eye says:
    @Okechukwu

    [Okechukwu says:]… I could provide a litany of statistics that prove …

    Ancient and tired communist debating trick.

    In the age of the Internet, either show us what you’ve got or STFU.

  146. Malla says:
    @jacques sheete

    Leslie Fry, “the Jews and the British Empire,” 1935

    Oh I have been through that book. It is a ‘must read’.

    Also I remember Truth Hertz discussing one day (I do not know how true it is) that Francis Bacon had written about a country like the USA to be formed in the future which would serve Zion. If this is true, it would be one mother of all conspiracies. Maybe if someone could go through his original writings and find out if that is true. If those writings are still accessible for others to see.

  147. @Okechukwu

    It was never a Bantu land. The Land of South Africa was sparsely occupied by Zulu tribes.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  148. Malla says:
    @jacques sheete

    Maybe you will find this interesting. I had just gone through this last week.

    “Harvard’s Darkest Secret: The Salem Witch Trials and Mass Hysteria”

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  149. @Jake

    (((Mercer))), her rabbi father and the entire family were kicked out of South Africa for their anti-apartheid work. The present day genocide was helped by her work. The title of her book: Into the Cannibal’s Pot is laughable because she gathered the kindling to light the fire under the pot.

    If I recall correctly, aren’t you a Roman Catholic? The RCC is a huge problem because it accepts blacks/Asians.

  150. @TKK

    Those are reliable tractors. With gas.

    They are reliable, but I bet most of them don’t run on gas.

  151. KenH says:

    Does the barefaced Barack care that white men, women and children are being butchered like animals, their bodies often displayed like trophies by their proud black assassins?

    Barack Obongo is acutely aware of what’s going on and in total agreement since this is “payback” in the warped brain of the negro. He’s just disciplined enough not to reveal his true beliefs but his silence is consent. If whites were murdering blacks anywhere on the globe Obammy would be flapping his blue gums about it to any and all who would listen.

    All the cacophonous calls for fairness, tolerance and equality are just a ruse that the sentimental and bird brained white man falls for every time. This is just communist and leftist code talk which means that whites must cede their wealth and political power to non-whites and suffer under non-white racial chauvinism. Weak men, women and Christians are especially susceptible to these buzzwords.

  152. Bucky says:
    @Okechukwu

    Yours is a typical African debating style where aggressive assertions and are declared without any substance to them.

    South Africa’s institutions and infrastructure are falling apart due to black incompetence. Water shortages are occurring. Corruption is high and crime is very high. High crime is proof enough of incompetence. But of course they take the time to prosecute a white woman who had her car vandalized for saying some mean things, meanwhile they don’t investigate murders.

    Black incompetence, and black priorities.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Okechukwu
  153. Bubba says:
    @Okechukwu

    The whites don’t actually do any farming. The blacks are the farmers.

    Keep dreaming, blacks couldn’t even grow a weed after everything was stolen from white farmers and given to them in Rhodesia.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  154. Bubba says:
    @RealAmericanValuesCirca1776Not1965

    Great comment – Obama was just as bloodthirsty and clueless as Hillary and the Neocons.

  155. Malla says:

    One of the many reasons why Mugabe attacked White Zimbabwean farmers was that he screwed up big time in the Congo.

    The article below is very informatibe

    http://www.thezimbabwean.co/2016/10/how-mugabe-double-crossed-joseph-kabila-the-drc/

    In it we read

    Global Witness and others have done studies on this. Yet the story of looting of diamonds for the benefit of Mugabe and his security and military elite in Zimbabwe did not start with Marange diamonds and the missing $15 billion. Way before Marange, Mugabe and his military men had already started rampant racketeering, illegal mafia-style smuggling, double-crossing, double dealing, as well as illegal arms peddling with Congolese rebels. In fact, Mugabe double-crossed Kabila by selling arms to the rebels in exchange for diamonds used to enrich, not Zimbabwe, but Mugabe and his security men.

    Mugabe got involved in a foreign country, taking part in the loot of it’s resources, racketeering, smuggling and also double crossing his ally Kabila.

    More

    The Congolese War

    In 1998, without approval from Zimbabwe’s parliament, Robert Mugabe made a sole decision to send Zimbabwe’s military to prop up Laurent Kabila’s struggling government under siege from various Tutsi erstwhile-friends-turned-rebel groups supported by Rwanda and Uganda (on the eastern side of the DRC border). It is not clear what motivated Mugabe’s DRC expedition, but it helps to theorise that he wanted to assert his pan-Africanist credentials. It is this dimension that makes this story interesting. So read on!

    Generally, people have short memories. This serves Mugabe well as he can now claim that Zimbabwe cannot get funding from the IMF and World Bank because of sanctions. I have covered why the IMF stopped funding Zimbabwe here http://bit.ly/1RqSLME. In short, Mugabe single-handedly took Zimbabwe into the DRC war in 1998, which cost Zimbabwean taxpayers $27 million a month and shortly afterwards failed to pay back IMF loans. The IMF reacted in 1999 by freezing a $193 million funding package and Mugabe’s response was: “The IMF should shut up its mouth. Yes, we have spent money in DRC, but we have not died because of that. We continue to be productive.” The IMF shut its mouth by stopping loans to Zimbabwe from then on.

    The nuts and bolts of the war were worked on by Mugabe and his close lieutenants, while on the DRC side, Laurent Kabila worked with loyalists like Mwenze Kongolo and then DRC Minister of Finance Mwampanga Mwana Nanga (who became DRC Ambassador in Zimbabwe). The war, which went on for several years was arguably the most prolonged war in modern African history involving scores of different armed groups and as many as nine African countries. Millions of people died in its aftermath and millions more displaced, making it the deadliest conflict since the Second World War.

    Most of the countries involved advanced the protection of their own borders as a reason for getting involved except Libya, Namibia and Zimbabwe. This was especially true of Rwanda, which had a few months earlier sponsored Laurent Kabila by supporting the Banyamulenge rebels leading to the ousting of Mobutu Sese Seko. Trouble had started when Kabila, smarting from accusations that he was a poodle for neighboring countries owing to the presence of many Rwandans at the top, sacked his Rwandan chief of staff, James Kabarebe.

    The unrelenting pan-Africanist?

    Robert Mugabe desires to be known as a Pan-Africanist. But is he deserving of being one? It’s an interesting question because he flies to the Middle and Far East for medical attention as medical facilities crumble in his country. Materials used to build his mansion were imported, including the entire roof and soft furnishings. His children attend school in foreign countries and pretty much have second homes outside Zimbabwe. But all this is besides the point. It just gives us pointers to understand someone’s record, digging into how his actual persona adds up to the persona he wants to portray.

    Yeah, so right Mugabe gets involved in the Congo crisis WITHOUT the approval of the parliament. Wastes his countries tax payers money, a whooping 27 million a month for his own greed and that of his cronies. So after being responsible for making Zimbabwe an economic disaster, to avert attention for his failings he started the whole farm invasion fiasco to appropriate the lands of the White Zimbabweans. That explains all the land invasions.

    Mugabe like a typical commie wanted to enrich himself and his cronies from the very start.

    More

    In stripping DRC resources, these military and security men were aided by shady but sleek and controversial business associates of all types: Thamer Bin Said Ahmed Alshanfari (an Omani national who fronted Oryx Natural Resources, the ZDF’s front for a 49% share in a diamond operation called Senga Mines, which attempted to list on the London Stock Exchange); Billy Rautenbach (who ran Gecamines, taking out copper and cobalt before being kicked out), John Arnold Bredenkamp (who at one point ran Gecamines after Rautenbach), Nico Sheffer (a convicted criminal based in South Africa whose company Tandan Holdings had a diamond joint venture with Zimbabwe Defence Forces – he arranged for Zimbabwean officers to be trained in diamond valuation in Johannesburg). Niko Shefer was in the spotlight in Zimbabwe recently for receiving nearly half a million dollars every month for facilitating a Development Bank of Southern Africa $206million to refurbish a highway connecting the towns of Plumtree and Mutare – connect the dots on how he got the deal!

    Several companies were either created or roped in, in the looting spree. These include Oryx Natural Resources (fronted by Al Shanfari), First Banking Corporation (now FBC Bank), Dube Associates (run by Colonel Tshinga Dube then of the Zimbabwe Defence Industries and linked to the Ukrainian prolific diamond and arms trafficker Leonid Minim, based in Kasai Occidental), Ridgepointe International (fronted by Rautenbach).

    Members of the elite network running joint ventures were linked to the smuggling of precious metals and gems, arms trafficking, illegal foreign exchange trading and money-laundering. Months after this report, and after several peace accords, Zimbabwe scaled down its troops in 2002. At the same time, following the assassination of Laurent Kabila, Joseph Kabila replaced most of the leadership of state-owned mines, which scaled back significantly the looting activities of the security elites and their joint ventures.

    So he looted out another African country and was definitely partially responsible for extending that conflict which ended up becoming an African version of WW1, as many neighbouring countries were involved. Some of the countries like, Angola or Rwanda, one can understand, they had some strategic reasons or rebel factions to attack. There was NO reason for Mugabe to enter the conflict except naked greed. He is a hero for racist blacks only because he attacked Whites, that is all they care about. It does not matter to these racists that he was responsible for the death of so many Congolese which was not necessary. He collaborated with rich globalist Whites and Jews and Arabs but attacked politically weak Whites and ended up responsible for killing many black people.

    Lets read more

    Nothing to show for the millions

    All of Mugabe’s men have nothing to show which is useful for public good that they built with the proceeds of illegal arms trafficking and diamond smuggling. This is with the distinct exception of Zvinavashe, who poured some of his proceeds into building infrastructure of use to Zimbabweans. Zvinavashe built an elementary school and a high school in Harare. The rest of them have nothing to show except plush mansions (in which they barely spend a third of each day) as well as secret deposits offshore.

    Zimbabwe’s former colonists may have been vile, but they invested in infrastructure – building highways, water purification plants, bridges, dams, power plants and railways infrastructure. Large iconic bridges in Zimbabwe such as Victoria Falls Bridge, Beitbridge, Birchenough Bridge (third longest single-arch suspension bridge in the world in 1935) and the first Chirundu Bridge – formerly Otto Beit Bridge (the first modern suspension bridge outside the United States built in 1939), were build using money from fortune seekers like Alfred Beit (The second Chirundu Bridge – a few meters from the first, was built by Kajima Corporation in 2002 using funds from Japan International Corporation Agency).

    One should read the entire article in the link as there is a lot of info there. So you see, black racists only care about the fact that he wrongly attacked White Zimbabweans (only to take away attention from his disastrous handling of Zimbabwe due to personal greed), they ignore or do not care about his actions in the Congo as well in his native Zimbabwe where he sent death squads to kill Ndebele.

  156. TKK says:
    @Okechukwu

    Where are the vast tracks of vacant land in West or Eastern Europe?
    Aside from designated parks or wild life areas- it’s densely populated or sprinkled with small towns.

    Russia has vast tracks of vacant land with no infrastructure.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  157. Malla says:
    @jacques sheete

    Bless you for trying to point such things out.

    Thanks for the kind words, bud. We are all in this together. Hopefully a lot more people will ‘wake up’ in time.

  158. Anon[257] • Disclaimer says:
    @Den Lille Abe

    And the Portuguese settled there before the Dutch

  159. @Malla

    Can you give a short summary? You posted it so there has to be some excellent content, but I don’t do vids well for various reasons. Nevertheless, I listened to about 20 seconds worth and simply couldn’t stand the slow droning of the moderator.

    • Replies: @Malla
  160. @Bucky

    Yours is a typical African debating style where aggressive assertions and are declared without any substance to them.

    It’s a “style” used by Commies, Zio-freaks, and self proclaimed “geniuses” (such as old 152, unsubstantiated, naturally) as well.

    Anyway, could you substantiate any of the other assertions in the rest of your comment?

  161. @crimson2

    Yeah…the idea of whites leaving US like they did Flint or Detroit scares you. No tax money…ultimate white flight.

    Luckily blacks don’t have the initiative to move or the money, so eventually the water is full of lead like Flint and they are still sitting there hoping the state or Federal government will do something.

    So you never see one abroad, except within a base perimeter.

    • Replies: @crimson2
  162. @crimson2

    “INBRED”

    At least whites Americans know where we are from.

    You don’t know whether your family is Senegalese or Kenyan originally.

    White Americans can say “I’m Irish, for County Mayo” or “I’m German, my family is from Saxony” or “I’m French-Canadian from Breton”.

    • Replies: @Bucky
    , @crimson2
  163. Wally says:
    @Okechukwu

    What statistics in your link prove you assertion that South African “whites live like royalty”?
    I see none whatsoever.

    I see claims about foreign share holders, so what?, but nothing about white SAs living like royalty.
    IOW, you’ve been busted on your bullshit.

    Indeed, whites form their own schools because they want to associate with intelligent whites, not low IQ, violent blacks.

    I see you’re confused. One moment you talk about S. Africa, the next moment Zimbabwe.
    But then you are what you are.

    Mugabe has no credibility with anyone, well, except you, I guess.

    Waiting for you to back up your laughable claim that ‘blacks are most vulnerable on farms’, and everything else that you just make up.

    Africa is a 3rd world sewer & always will be …. because they have dumb & violent Africans.

  164. Bucky says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    The funny thing about inbred as a pejorative aimed at whites is that blacks are likely more inbred. You know the phrase, “cuz”? They call each other cousin because they’re all related. And as a minority confined to specific enclaves, it would be natural for more blacks to be inbred.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  165. @Bucky

    As a teenager I naively asked a black acquaintance what part of Africa he was from-in suburban Detroit you know which white is Irish or Polish or Italian.

    I was surprised that he did not know, being young and naive. Whites in the Northern cities like Trump just say “My grandparents are from Kallstadt” or whatever.

    …But almost no black Americans have any idea where they are from.

    • Replies: @Meretricious
    , @Truth
  166. Okechukwu says:
    @jacques sheete

    Perhaps it’s about stealing the farms from the current owners so the global ruling elite can own and/or control them.

    Africans regard land with veneration. It’s tied up with where their ancestors are buried, where their spirits dwell and so on. Any attempt to permanently separate them from their ancestral lands was bound to be futile. They were never going to stop fighting and sooner or later the thieves and usurpers would have to desist.

    This isn’t ancient history either. Some folks who were brutally evicted from their lands in South Africa are still alive today. They want those lands back and by god, they will have them. The SA government, in the name of responsible governance, has no choice but to enact deep and comprehensive land reform. A situation where the 8% white population owns 80% of the land is one that’s ripe with the potential for revolution. It’s better to redistribute the land with an orderly, legally-sanctioned process.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  167. Okechukwu says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova

    It was never a Bantu land. The Land of South Africa was sparsely occupied by Zulu tribes.

    This is apartheid-era historiography that bears no relationship to reality. You can’t on the one hand put up monuments to Voortrekkers and declare national holidays celebrating the conquest of African tribes and on the other hand claim the land was empty. Not very bright, those Boers.

  168. Okechukwu says:
    @Bucky

    Yours is a typical African debating style where aggressive assertions and are declared without any substance to them.

    I see someone doesn’t know how to debate. This is not a viable rebuttal to my total evisceration of your arguments.

    • Replies: @Bucky
  169. @Okechukwu

    I’ve noticed that blacks in South Africa seem to like the English South Africans a bit more than the Boers.

    What is the reason for this?

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  170. FromSA says:
    @Stan d Mute

    Stan you have no idea what farming is about. You would do well in Zimbabwe since they thought the same way you do. They chased the white farmers away because they also thought that all you need to do is put seed in the dirt and wait. The rest as they say is history.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  171. You are to kind to Obambi. I would assume he is more celebrating the genocide-in-progress, rather than ignoring it.

  172. FromSA says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Andrei you are correct about the poor boers. They could simply work for the ones with means.

  173. Okechukwu says:
    @Bubba

    Keep dreaming, blacks couldn’t even grow a weed after everything was stolen from white farmers and given to them in Rhodesia.

    Actually, no. Africans have always been some of the world’s greatest farmers. African slaves even created the rice industry in the United States by bringing with them the expertise they gained in Africa.

    During the 1700s the American colonists in South Carolina and Georgia discovered that rice would grow well in the moist, semitropical country bordering their coastline. But the American colonists had no experience with the cultivation of rice, and they needed African slaves who knew how to plant, harvest, and process this difficult crop. The white plantation owners purchased slaves from various parts of Africa, but they greatly preferred slaves from what they called the “Rice Coast” or “Windward Coast”—the traditional rice-growing region of West Africa, stretching from Senegal down to Sierra Leone and Liberia. The plantation owners were willing to pay higher prices for slaves from this area, and Africans from the Rice Coast were almost certainly the largest group of slaves imported into South Carolina and Georgia during the 18th century.

    https://glc.yale.edu/gullah-rice-slavery-and-sierra-leone-american-connection

    In Rhodesia, the racist regime had disconnected the Africans from their lands and the store of knowledge they had gained over many generations of farming those lands. But land reform has reestablished the historical connection to the land along with pride and dignity in ownership.

    Tobacco farming: Land reform success story

    The revolutionary socio-economic transformation that is occurring in tobacco growing communities points to one of the outstanding success stories of the land reform.Until 2000 tobacco farming was dominated by a few white large scale commercial farmers who accounted for the bulk of the production.

    According to Food and Agricultural Organisation, there were only 2 000 commercial tobacco growers prior to the land reform programme who accounted for 87 percent of the planted hectarage.

    They also accounted for about 95 percent of the total output, equal to between 190 million kilogrammes and 230 million kilogrammes of flue-cured tobacco annually.

    Such state of affairs meant wealth generated from tobacco production only found its way into the hands of few large scale [white] farmers.

    The sector has, however, evolved since 2000 with close to 90 000 mostly indigenous farmers now dominating tobacco growing.

    While the transition had its challenges such as successive droughts and funding, production has steadily risen and last year, production surpassed the record 210 million kg for the first time in 14 years.

    https://www.herald.co.zw/tobacco-farming-land-reform-success-story/

    Land reform is a Zim success story – it’ll be the basis for economic recovery under Mnangagwa

    In his speech after being sworn in as Zimbabwe’s new president on November 24, Emmerson Mnangagwa, stressed the role of the country’s land reform farmers in boosting the country’s economic recovery. They have excelled recently.

    Zimbabwe produced more maize in 2017 than was ever grown by white farmers, who have repeatedly been praised for making the country into the bread basket of Africa. Maize production in 2017 was 2.2m tonnes, the highest in two decades.

    Good rains helped, but even the United States Department of Agriculture said the huge increase in maize production was “mainly due to favourable weather conditions and a special program for import substitution, commonly termed as “Command Agriculture”. That programme was implemented last year by Mnangagwa, when he was vice president.

    Under the programme, land reform farmers signed contracts for a certain number of hectares and agreed to sell at least five tonnes of maize per hectare to the Grain Marketing Board. The government provided seed, fertiliser, and, if needed, tractors and fuel for ploughing, and the cost was deducted from the sale price of the maize. Compared to 2011, another good rainfall year, maize production jumped 700,000 tonnes – more than half of which was due to the Command Agriculture programme.

    https://theconversation.com/land-reform-is-a-zimbabwe-success-story-it-will-be-the-basis-for-economic-recovery-under-mnangagwa-88205

    This is very instructive. It’s an exquisite display of the kind of effective, responsible governance the Rhodesian regime should have effectuated. It’s the realization of the dream that inspired the very first Chimurenga in 1896. The land belongs to the people. Instead of one white bum who would probably be cleaning toilets back in Britain living like an earl on stolen land the size of Rhode Island, that land is divided up among dozens of industrious, hard-working black farmers. Yields increase and everyone’s happy.

    • Replies: @mcohen
    , @Malla
    , @Truth
  174. @FromSA

    The Boers with means are long gone to Perth or the UK. The same thing happens in Rust Belt cities. The middle-class and particularly the young, leave. This reduces the degree of tax money and then goes the police (Many of whom transfer to nicer cities themselves), money for infrastructure etc.

    Eventually you are left with white uneducated proles, white junkies, the low IQ with no initiative and old people. Everyone else sells off and leaves.

    So there is nobody to work for.

  175. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    How? How are they less native than the bantus who came from the north?

    Nobody literally emerged from the soil. Everybody came from somewhere.

    Btw, I never said they were less native. As far as I’m concerned, you’re native to wherever you’re born. What I do dispute is the notion that the Boers were there first or that the land was vacant when they got there.

    No you cannot. Those lands are owned by the nations. But that was not the case in Southern parts South Africa.

    Well the African lands were owned by Africans. The Africans were not obliged to respect European land ownership conventions. They had their own ownership schemes. In fact colonialist killers like fat homosexual Cecil Rhodes knew very well that the Africans owned the land otherwise he wouldn’t have made them sign over titles at the point of a gun.

    And you have to militarily defeat European nations to do that.

    So you believe in right of conquest. Well a corollary to that is reconquest, which is what happened in Southern Africa as the natives defeated every racist regime there and took back their land.

    • Replies: @Malla
  176. Okechukwu says:
    @TKK

    Where are the vast tracks of vacant land in West or Eastern Europe?
    Aside from designated parks or wild life areas- it’s densely populated or sprinkled with small towns.

    I’m simply applying the same standard to Europe that these clowns apply to Africa. That is to say, if there aren’t people habitating a piece of land at a given moment, it’s free for the taking.

    I’m a frequent traveler to Europe. Once I walked along the North Sea and there wasn’t another soul in sight for miles and miles. Based on this logic I could’ve planted my flag and claimed ownership of the entire area.

  177. Okechukwu says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I’ve noticed that blacks in South Africa seem to like the English South Africans a bit more than the Boers.

    What is the reason for this?

    I’m not a black South African. But I suspect they believe that, generally speaking, the Boers are, well…boorish. A regressive, clannish, recalcitrantly racist people impervious to remediation. This is the main reason Boers are often looked at askance when they attempt to immigrate. I’m sure they’re asked some rather pointed questions by immigration officials about their racial attitudes, particularly if they invoke “white genocide” as their reason for departing. The Boers that are already overseas and embarrassing their hosts with their conduct aren’t helping the rest.

    South African expats revive ‘racist’ Afrikaans national day in NZ

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/99925523/south-african-expats-revive-racist-afrikaans-national-day-in-nz?rm=m

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  178. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Btw, I never said they were less native.

    But gasbags like Malema say otherwise.

    as the natives defeated every racist regime there and took back their land.

    I do not have time to respond to stupidity.

    Well the African lands were owned by Africans. The Africans were not obliged to respect European land ownership conventions.

    Those lands where people were evicted in the past, they may be returned but a large part of the land was not owned by any Africans. There are some land where people were forcefully evicted and in those cases they may be returned.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  179. Mike Ross says:

    What about a modern day deliverance , from an impending genocide , upon The Poor Whites , in the south african poverty camps , whom are not allowed , or whom cannot evacuate – ( for whatever reason ) ? If you know real history , then you understand , it is they – The White Destitute , who are The Real Boers . On the other hand ; the metro elite & propertied farmers – are the jew / dutch / english / afrikaners , that have assumed the identity from , and have always oppressed , The True Germanic Boers . Yes Sir , there is a way out for them – The Despised Poor , but it’s not the “ rapture “ .

    The South African Boers are mostly a swiss / germanic peoples – with some admixture from french , dutch and english . They were the Ana – Baptist refugees , from The European Continental Religious and Secular Wars , of the 16th and 17th and 18th centuries . They were caught in between , and maltreated & persecuted , by both the protestant / reform & catholic churches , and also abused , by those associated nation state civil governments . When in Germany and Denmark , they were given the derogatory appellation of “ Boors “ , because they were considered low class , poor and uncouth . ( In America , Benjamin Franklin disparagingly referred to their near kin , [ The Pennsylvania Dutch German “ Christian Brethren “ ] , as “ Palatine Boors “ . It was for the same reasons , that the Scotch-Irish were named : Redneck , Hillbilly , Country Good Old Boy , Hayseed , Rube , Yokel , Bumpkin , Rustic , Rural , Clodhopper & Farmer – and we embrace those names . ) The Boors took the opportunity to escape from , the hostile to them – Europe , by removing to South Africa ( also to North America and other places ) , under the auspices of , The Dutch East India Company ( VOC ) . Their prime motive was , The True Christian Liberty of Conscience , and not economic adventurism . These real religious and political refugees , had a whole different outlook and mindset , from the other opportunistic emigrants , and they became known as , The Pious Border Farmers and Trekking Boers ; Migrants of The Expanding Settlement Frontiers . — See the article : ( The Afrikaner Domination of the Boers : How it was Constructed ) , by David Christie , dated : 11 April 2014 , AFRIKAANSENUUS .

    http://bmarksa.org/nuus/the-afrikaner-domination-of-the-boers-how-it-was-constructed/

    Through all the vicissitudes and attacks , that they have suffered – from traitors & open & secret enemies , they have lost their identity , and are to a large degree alienated , from the true knowledge of , and right relationship with , THE LORD JESUS CHRIST – THE SAVIOR AND REDEEMER . Although diminished , they are still with “ dear ” standing – to GOD , and He will call them back , and will gather them firmly , and bless them abundantly , and rescue them from the advancing evil extermination . Could this explanation and assertion be correct ?

    The White Man is the race of Abraham , Isaac , and Jacob . ( The True Hebrews : actual and factual , by evidence and proof . ) They are found in THE HOLY BIBLE . Because of wickedness and rebellion and revolution , GOD broke most of them off and away , from The Ancient Kingdom of The House of Israel . JEHOVAH did this , by allowing them to be conquered and taken as slaves , by pagans and heathen – ( Within their history , The Caucasians also became polytheistic hedonists ) . Later , THE LORD GOD opened several doors of their captivity , and let them escape , and made them move north & west , in many pushes and waves . These Lost Ten Tribes forfeited their identity , by their unbelief & disobedience , through the generations and centuries of ; wars and raids and migrations and wanderings and explorations . These forgotten Clans , became The Gentile ( White ) European Nations , spreading across the geocentric globe earth . As a racial group , they are known as The Anglo / Saxons . And , although they do not know it , the providence of THE LORD JESUS CHRIST , has marked them with a special token-sign , pointing to their future minority recovery , and full reinstatement . Anglo / Saxons : ( Anglo = GOD’S Servant , Saint or Angel , GOD’S Son ) / ( Saxons = The Son’s of Isaac , The Isaac’s Sons , The Sac’s Sons = The Saxons ) -> ( The Son’s of Jacob , by being The Grandson’s of Isaac , are The Anglo / Saxons . ) -> ( The English Group + The German Group = The United Birthright and Scepter ) . The day is approaching , when a remnant of The Son’s of Jacob ( The Grandson’s of Isaac = The Anglos & The Saxons ) will return , and be converted and gathered together and joined , by THE GIFT AND POWER OF THE HOLY GHOST . Never again brother against brother wars for them . ( The reunion will be – The Grand Union of Jacob , presaged by The Union Jack Ensign ) . This Small Portion ( spread over the sphere earth ) , being The Election , and belonging to JESUS MESSIAH , will be delivered by a mighty & miraculous , intervention & intercession . Their corporeal rescue , is the deliverance from the modern day absolute bondage & captivity , by tyranny of the archfiend anti-christ ascendency , that is now being spearheaded by marauding “ flying monkeys “ , and a prospective white genocide in South Africa . The Authentic Reclamation , will be practically unforeseen and unexpected , by everyone else who does not veritably know , or who are not much interested in , THE REAL JESUS . ( The event will only become widely known , for both the fact and mis-explanation , in the aftermath . ) All of mankind ( both kindred & foreigner / stranger ) , can by faith ( if they will ) repent and reform and separate , to become GOD’S Spiritually Adopted Sons or Daughters ( Pilgrims ) ; those that are Born Again , they who love JESUS , them that are in His Grace – Mercy – Favor – Blessings Full On . Then we are His Eligible and His Qualified and His Chosen , to receive this tremendous beneficial , while living on earth . It will be greater than The Exodus Out of Egypt , that was in the times of old , while under the leadership of Moses . This is the mortal ( while in the flesh ) and only earthly escape , out of The Great Temptation and The Great Tribulation ( test & trial ) , that is coming as GOD’S anger and judgement , upon the whole world . Let the loud – clear – pure – ringing , of The Real and True Christian Liberty Bell , peal throughout all THE LORD’S SANCTUARIES . It is the beginning of GOD’S PARADISIACAL KINGDOM COME TO EARTH ; in His multifold and distinct , provided and guarded , companies and camps – trekking and transiting , to His refuges and retreats . Who will survive and who will demise ? Choose the only genuine and best hope , or decide for the hard way , of soul danger and torment and martyrdom ( by the forced mark of the beast ) . Watch and Pray . There is a sign to be given , for the moment of reckoning and decision , to catch the only once given , small window of opportunity . After being converted , search THE HOLY BIBLE and find the sign , to obey the command of THE SAVIOR AND REDEEMER – JESUS CHRIST . Do not be left behind , to weep in regret . In the meantime , we need to resist lawfully – with all our abilities , the advancements of evil , while awaiting expectant and hopeful – The Days of Refreshment .

    —- Self Defense is an obligation to GOD , ( 1 Timothy 5 : 8 ) , THB , kjv . Beware of imposters & deceivers & secret enemies ( Revelation 3 : 8 – 12 ) . The leading adversaries against THE LORD JESUS CHRIST , know “ much “ about The Great Escape . Their blood vendetta & hatred , prompt them to the “ dark arts “ , and the exhaustive “ expert “ study , of the stolen Sacred Scripture – THE HOLY BIBLE , ( even though it pertains to them – only for their condemnation ) . They are blinded to think , that they can anticipate and thwart , The Archangel Michael ( Daniel 12 : 1 ) and “ The Holy Companions “ – ( Angels , Captains , Disciples ) . Little do they really understand . They are only stumps & rocks in the field , of GOD’S great world drama , wherein He works to save ( plant and husband and harvest ) the souls of men and women , one at a time . The wheat / flour mill of THE LORD , grinds slowly but grinds very fine . No one yet knows , what we shall be made to become , but we trust it will be wonderful . Everyone will receive their fair chance , and just opportunity , even though it may not seem so , at the moment . For The Righteous – during the 1000 year millennium ; all wounds will be healed , and all injustices will be made right , and all babies that were aborted – will have an upbringing by loving parents . Come out of wickedness . Separate from uncleanliness . Look forward to The Marvelous Work and Wonder , of GOD’S Deliverance , and the impending presence of JESUS – THE GOOD SHEPHERD , coming in the sky , at the end of the tribulation , and then is the inauguration , of the new era .

  180. Max Payne says:
    @Okechukwu

    Due diligence? LOL. Did you miss the Iraq war or something?

  181. @Truth

    I actually speak the languages. Norwegians are far too polite to mock. Unfortunately they are lazy too, and property is immensely expensive.

  182. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Of course Africans farmed before Europeans came. If the Tobacco and maize story is true then it is good for Zimbabwe. I do not agree that ‘blacks cannot even grow a weed’. It is just that in North America, blacks are not much into farming but it is a different story in Africa and the Caribbean.

    Instead of one white bum who would probably be cleaning toilets back in Britain living like an earl on stolen land the size of Rhode Island, that land is divided up among dozens of industrious, hard-working black farmers.

    Bad news brother! Some of those lazy dumb White toilet cleaners have returned and the industrious hard working black farmers are celebrating this return. They are having a party. What is wrong with the black brothas?

    Celebration in Zimbabwe as a white farmer returns to seized land

    Villagers celebrate the return of a White Farmer who was evicted by President Mugabe

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  183. Realist says:
    @jacques sheete

    A graduate degree in anything but math and science related subjects is practically proof of brainwashing.

    Exactly.

  184. JackOH says:
    @ThreeCranes

    ThreeCranes, thanks.

    I had to scour my memory again for the bits I recall about that radio story, and why it startled me. There was a brief interview with a man who had to haul water in his own containers from a relatively distant source, call it Point X. I don’t know if Point X was a fire hydrant fitted with taps, or something else. The point he made was that until recently water was distributed either to his house or to a much closer location than Point X.

    That’s what shook me. If the Jo-burg administration can’t or won’t recognize the failure to distribute water as something worthy of urgent action, I don’t know what to think.

  185. @Jeff Stryker

    Consider that most don’t even know who both their parents are.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  186. @Andrei Martyanov

    Title: Russian-American alliance………..

  187. Mike P says:
    @Stan d Mute

    OK, point taken. I was referring though to making a living by actually farming, not as a pretend-farmer on the dole. And while unlike you I did not farm myself, my parents did.

    Your remark on the required learning to go beyond book-learning is of course spot on. My grandma had all of 7 years of schooling, but was one of the shrewdest and all-around most capable women I have ever met. She had gotten that way through a lifetime of running a farm.

    Edit: you will have noticed the cult of white IQ in these pages. If there is anything to it, consider that for most of the time during which it would have evolved, most white people were farmers.

  188. A relative of mine lived in S Africa from 1955 until 1985.
    He loved the country, but about the blacks ‘no good for anything’.
    After 1985 he often visited the country, as he said ‘all whites want to leave, but most of them financially are not able to do it’.
    They now have self rule, and self destruct the country, is my opinion.
    In the beginning of self rule next to any black official there was a white who did the work, the black playing with the pc and being driven in his official car.
    Now it is ‘A bullet for a Boer’.
    A new Zimbawbe.
    Maybe we should reinstall colonialism in many parts of the world.

  189. @Okechukwu

    A situation where the 8% white population owns 80% of the land is one that’s ripe with the potential for revolution. It’s better to redistribute the land with an orderly, legally-sanctioned process.

    Well yes, as far as it goes, but I’m willing to bet it’s not so much a white vs black issue as it is a .01% vs the rest of us.

    Do you see the goof in the picture holding a sign calling for the killing of all whites? Who put that fool up to it and who’s paying it? It reminds me of the sentiments expressed below, and you can bet there’s likely big money behind all of them.

    There was a prominent American anthropologist who advocated exterminating Germans during WWII:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Hooten#The_.22Hooton_Plan.22

    During World War II, Hooton proposed to eradicate the German people by infiltrating them slowly with masses of non-European male immigrants, thereby breed “war strains” out of them.[10]
    In 1939, Earnest A. Hooten, Rhodes scholar and the “pre-eminent” anthropologist of the early 20th century a “professor”at Harvard University, revived the Italian criminologist Lombroso’s “childishly naïve” theories in his book, Crime and the Man, which was based on misleading statistics.
    In 1943 Hooten penned an article headlined, “Breed War Strain Out of Germans” for the New York Daily newspaper. It advocated an “outbreeding” plan to “destroy German nationalism and ideology” by using the immigration of masses of non-European male to eradicate Germans.

    Theodore N. Kaufman, authored “Germany Must Perish,” and was a Manhattan-born businessman and chairman of the “American Federation for Peace.”

    2 of the chapters in his deranged sounding screed were titled, “5. ‘Blessed Are the War Makers’: and “7. Death to Germany.”

    In one leaflet headlined, “Kill” Ehrenburg, Stalin’s propagandist, ranted:.

    The Germans are not human beings…We shall kill. If you have not killed at least one German a day, you have wasted that day… If you cannot kill your German with a bullet, kill him with your bayonet…If you kill one German, kill another – there is nothing more amusing for us than a heap of German corpses… Kill.

    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Ehrenburg

    “The fight against Germany has now been waged for months by every Jewish
    community, on every conference, in all labor unions and by every single Jew in the world. There are reasons for the assumption that our share in this fight is of general importance. We shall start a spiritual and material war of the whole world against Germany. Germany is striving to become once again a great nation, and to recover her lost territories as well as her colonies. But our Jewish interests call for the complete destruction of Germany…”

    –Valadimir Jabotinsky, in Mascha Rjetsch, January, 1934

    “Germany is the enemy of Judaism and must be pursued with deadly hatred. The goal of Judaism of today is: a merciless campaign against all German peoples and the complete destruction of the nation. We demand a complete blockade of trade, the importation of raw materials stopped, and retaliation towards every German, woman and child.”

    –”professor” A. Kulischer, October, 1937

    For the “bright ones” who claim that those are outdated quotes and that they don’t apply, I’m posting them to show that the sentiments are nothing new, and to suggest who may be the slime behind them. I suspect we have similar motives at play here, and that Mercer is a pot stirrer who likely doesn’t give a lick about the white farmers.

    • Replies: @Malla
  190. @Okechukwu

    Do not think the Boers stated the land was empty.
    When the Boer War with GB was beginning a Boer general told his wife that this war would be quite different from the wars with the local tribes.
    Cannot now remember where I read the statement.

  191. @Meretricious

    Consider that most don’t even know who both their parents are.

    That is one of the many grotesque consequences of the chattel slave trade, I think. Also, are you aware of the fact that slave owners sometimes “bred” their slaves to increase the stock? If that was your great great great granddaddy how would anyone know?

    Blaming the victim is easy, apparently satisfying to some, but not too bright.

    If you can get hold of your emotions, you may want to pursue the issue by asking “Cui bono?” and remembering to follow the dollar.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @bucky
  192. @jilles dykstra

    After 1985 he often visited the country, as he said ‘all whites want to leave, but most of them financially are not able to do it’.

    Financially are not able to do it?

    I wonder if our resident “genius” (unsubstantiated) chalks that up to “laziness,” or are they just a bunch of shiftless slackers, or what?

  193. @Mike P

    If the implication is that farmers are stupid, you’re quite wrong.
    The problem is that old literature took common people for granted, mainly archeology provides us with insight on how they lived, and how they adapted to changing circumstrances, climate, technical improvements, such as the use of iron other than for warfare.
    The development of the plough, and the social consequences, quite fascinating.
    Even the availability of oats, making it possible to switch from oxen to horses.
    Clive Ponting, ‘A green history of the world’, 1992, London
    Richard F. Burton, ‘First Footsteps in East Africa’, 1856, 2000, Köln
    Lynn White Jr., ‘Medieval Technology and Social Change’, Oxford 1962

    • Replies: @Mike P
  194. @jilles dykstra

    Maybe we should reinstall colonialism in many parts of the world.

    It’s already here, Sweetie.

    Guess who’s colonized virtually the whole world with their various pecuniary schemes and big guns?

  195. Bucky says:
    @Okechukwu

    The funny thing is that you keep on doing this tactic. Because the African mentality is about dominance and not about reason. And then you guys cry about being dominated by others.

  196. Memory line.
    Going down the memory line.
    First white people entering Sub-Saharan Africa were hunted down by Black natives, were put in big cauldrons boiled and than eaten.
    What I do find totally disgusting was the fact that they were eaten without spaghetti, without mustard, without catsup, and even without any type of salad.
    (But than what can you expect from hunter-gatherer society.)
    And to be fair white people did the same thing 6 thousand years ago.

  197. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    boorish.

    And many blacks are not? Not all obviously.

    A regressive

    By whose standard?

    clannish,

    And black tribes/ethnic groups in South Africa are not clannish at all? What are you smoking?

    The Boers that are already overseas and embarrassing their hosts with their conduct aren’t helping the rest.

    No embarrassing liberals you mean, the same fools pushing pan sexuality on everyone.
    How is the The Day of the Vow racist? Afrikaners as a tribe fought Zulus as a tribe. The Zulu king double crossed the Afrikaners. This does not mean I am saying all Zulus are of this nature, this is just one incident. The Afrikaners fought a remarkable war and won.
    20000 Zulus attacked a mere 460 Voortrekkers. The Voortrekkers circled their wagons and won. 3000 Zulus were slain and only 3 Voortrekkers were injured. This was one of the most remarkable victories in human history and it becomes even more remarkable if one realizes that the Zulus were not a pushover people but a Spartan like warrior nation. Other blacks like the Xhosas were terrified of them and even the British, the biggest empire builders in the world respected the Zulus and took them seriously.
    Facing 20,000 warrior Zulus is no joke, so the Voortrekkers promised God that if they won, they would build a church to mark the day and also keep the story alive. God gave them victory and they are keeping their side of the deal.
    This is not necessarily racist. Calling this racist is just a way by libtards and the commies to attack and undermine Afrikaner culture.
    And during this battle, there was no nation called South Africa, South Africa is a British created nation, the Afrikaners who lived peacefully in their two republics did not want anything to do with this British created union, which was part of their larger empire.

    In India many Hindus celebrate Hindu kings who fought and defeated Muslim forces. In Western India, the Marathis celebrate the Warrior king Shivaji Bhosle for delivering them from much more powerful Muslim rulers like the Mughals. But it does not necessarily have to be anti Islamic. 120 million Muslims live in India and yet Marathis celebrate Shivaji the King.
    Similarly the Day of the Vow is part of Afrikaner culture and just because some liberal clowns calls it racist does not make it racist.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  198. Malla says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Maybe we should reinstall colonialism in many parts of the world.

    Not worth the effort. Indeed find ways to get those Whites who want to leave but cannot leave, out of there.

    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
  199. Tunie says:
    @animalogic

    Anti White racism LOL No, people hate whites, because of the exploitation, colonization, rape, ACTUAL genocide and land theft. White’s should not be in Africa. Period!

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  200. Tunie says:

    The Colonizers and Oppresors are now the victims. please! The list of attocities commited by whites in Africa let alone South Africa is nearly infinite. The Dalit, Aboriginals and Native people’s who hate those, who harmed them are all anti-white racist? lol WOW

    Also, this thread has so much misinfomation and revisionism. White farmers in South Africa are descendants of Europeans, who stole land. They did not pay fot it. It doesn’t matter if Black there can farm or nor. They have the right to their land and self determination. Canadian and American Europeans wiped out entire Tribes. In Canada, they Hunted Natives for sport.

    Luckily, the Chinese will help force whites out of Africa.

    • Replies: @Malla
  201. @jacques sheete

    That is tough, not knowing what country you are originally from. Of course African-Americans are principally West African. Still, they cannot fly a particular flag or have a drinking holiday or a culture like Italians do.

  202. @Tunie

    I’m sure every Boer agrees with you, but links to Holland are too distant now for them to have a claim to citizenry.

  203. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    But gasbags like Malema say otherwise.

    No he doesn’t. Malema has said that he cannot imagine South Africa without its Boer citizens. What he wants is a fair and equitable redistribution of land and assets. He does warn that a continued deferment of a reasonable dispensation could lead to violence.

    Those lands where people were evicted in the past, they may be returned but a large part of the land was not owned by any Africans. There are some land where people were forcefully evicted and in those cases they may be returned.

    That’s a principled stand. But I think you’ll find that land reform in South Africa will be rather less favorable to black claimants than even what you’re suggesting. To the degree that a transfer might cause significant stresses on the economy, the SA Supreme Court will regard white land tenure a fait accompli.

  204. @Malla

    Mandela understood that the whites kept the S African economy going.
    The Tjechs evicted the Germans, Sudetenland industries fell apart.
    ´Als die Deutschen weg waren, Was nach der Vertreibung geschah: Ostpreussen, Schlesien, Sudetenland’, 2005, 2007, Reinbek, Adrian von Arburg, Wlodzimierz Borodziej, Jurij Kostjaschow, Ulla Lachauer, Hand-Dieter Rutsch, Beate Schlanstein, Christian Schulz
    The Ugandans evicted the Indians, from India, a Dutch friend of mine who was in Uganda at the time told me what happened to a cement factory.
    The Indian owner regularly cleaned the roof of cement dust, the new Uganda owner did nothing, with the first rain the roof collapsed.
    It is what you want, Rhodesia was a prosperous racist country, Zimbabwe is a mess.
    The mentioned book describes how economically driving out the Germans the mentioned areas deteriorated.
    Dutch Indies income per head in 1940 was reached again in the seventies Indonesia
    Pre WWI Russian income per head was reached again in the thirties in the USSE

  205. @Malla

    The Boer war with the Zulu’s casualty figures may well be true.
    Read
    Solly Zuckermann, ‘From Apes to Warlords, an autobiography, 1904- 46’, London 1988
    who grew up in S Africa about what was left of the original inhabitants, next to nothing.
    The Zulu’s were not an unorganised rabble, a mighty Zulu army, just clubs and spears, hacked to pieces a small British army with shrapnel cannon and repeater rifles.
    But, as Churchill said ‘the higher civilisation has the better weapons’.
    I often wonder if it is not the other way round, ‘who has the better weapons considers itself the higher civilisation’.
    Alas, all through history there was development of weapons, often very costly.

  206. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    It is just that in North America, blacks are not much into farming but it is a different story in Africa and the Caribbean.

    Slaves were skilled farmers. After them there were sharecroppers who were also highly skilled. There was a significant disruption in continuity when racial violence and systemic institutional racism forced blacks to flee their farms for the urbanized areas further north. Nevertheless, the black farming tradition never quite died out. Today there is a resurgence of black farming in urban areas and on more traditional small and commercial holdings in rural areas.

    Detroit’s urban farms: engines of growth, omens of change

    https://whyy.org/segments/detroits-urban-farms-engines-growth-omens-change/

    Number of Black Farmers in U.S. Is Growing, Thanks in Part to the New Policies at the USDA

    https://www.alternet.org/food/number-black-farmers-us-growing-thanks-part-new-policies-usda

    Bad news brother! Some of those lazy dumb White toilet cleaners have returned and the industrious hard working black farmers are celebrating this return. They are having a party. What is wrong with the black brothas?

    On the contrary, it’s great news. Black people are not vindictive, malicious people. We adore white people like this farmer. Robert Smart is the ideal candidate for restoration, albeit under radically different terms and conditions from what white farmers enjoyed prior to liberation.

    First white farmer gets land back under Zimbabwe’s new leader

    Local chief Peter Tandi led efforts to lobby Mnangagwa’s administration to allow Mr Smart and his family to return. “He voluntarily gave up his estates to the community when the land reform programme started. He continued helping us with technical knowledge, equipment and other inputs,” Mr Tandi said.

    “That man supported the guerrillas during the war … He gave us a place to hide from colonial government soldiers,” said Gift Maramba, a war veteran and local Zanu-PF official.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/zimbabwe-white-farmer-land-back-emmerson-mnangagwa-lesbury-robert-mugabe-zanu-pf-a8124786.html

    Many people have a gross misapprehension of Zimbabwe’s intentions as regards white farmers. Not just any tom, dick and harry racist asshole can get his land back in Zim. Only the likes of Robert Smart are eligible.

    • Replies: @bucky
    , @Wally
    , @Wally
    , @Malla
  207. @Wally

    Russia also stands against the Sabbatean-Frankist cult that has poisoned the West since the eighteenth century.

  208. Okechukwu says:
    @jilles dykstra

    Maybe we should reinstall colonialism in many parts of the world.

    The colonialists will need to be bulletproof this time around.

    • Replies: @Wally
  209. @Mike P

    OK, point taken. I was referring though to making a living by actually farming, not as a pretend-farmer on the dole. And while unlike you I did not farm myself, my parents did.

    My dad was raised on the farm and left it for a career in engineering. I grew up around the farm, visiting weekly, and lived there for a couple decades as an adult. I didn’t plant or harvest (not commercially), using sharecroppers (oh my!) instead, but maintained the property with standard farm equipment like dozers, loaders, hoes, etc. And of course owning a farm all your neighbors are farmers too so you have a pretty thorough understanding of the business. I learned to drive on an 8N and have zero squeamishness about blasting varmints or burning/exploding brush/trash – just a couple differences from most city kids (I’m a Detroit ghetto born guy).

    There aren’t that many first gen off-the-farm people around anymore. I’m curious how your parents’ experience shaped you. Their (and my dad’s) generation is the last of a breed. For a look at modern farmers, there’s a YouTuber called “Millennial Farmer” who films his day-to-day life. It’s all USDA and Monsanto and John Deere driven, not enormously different from say driving a Government funded bus according to a pre-determined route. The “real” farmers can be ID’d by their gray hair, wrinkles, limp, and missing digits or limbs (as well as their conspicuous absence from the EWG database). A good EMP attack would probably result in 75% of America dying of starvation nowadays since nobody is left who can diagnose a problem with the points on a 6V tractor ignition system. But hey, as long as we can surf FaceBerg from the cab of a $500,000 tractor it’s all good yes? Also note the coming fully autonomous “drone” tractors…

    OT: The Monsanto RoundUp verdict! I was diagnosed with the big C after fifteen or so years of massive RoundUp exposure. Maybe Stan can get in line for some Monsanto $$$. At last I could make a real contribution to iSteve’s cause.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  210. @FromSA

    Stan you have no idea what farming is about.

    Right. Ok. Because you’ve demonstrated such a great understanding of farming and all..

    But then you’re too effing stupid to not understand the intrinsic nature of negroes and choose to live on the negro continent. I was born in the Detroit ghetto, but I am smart enough to NOT live there.

  211. bucky says:
    @Okechukwu

    Black people are not vindictive, malicious people. We adore white people like this farmer.

    What’s funny about this statement is Robert Smart was forced off of his land by the black revolutionary government. They shot teargas and changed the locks.

    That sounds like a vindictive and malicious action towards someone who had been very good to the local African people.

    Now, they do deserve credit for expressing some remorse and welcoming back, but the fact that this happened in the first place is a problem.

    All of this imagined glory that is so prevalent among African peoples is like a fevered opium dream. It only drives envy and destructive rage, which leads to them shooting themselves in the foot by evicting men like Robert Smart, thus disrupting economic activity and societal stability. Or, for that matter, burning down entire city blocks out of nationalistic rage which was what BLM was doing in 2015.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  212. bucky says:
    @jacques sheete

    If that was your great great great granddaddy how would anyone know?

    You can argue about *why* something is the way that it is. But the fact *is* that most blacks don’t know who the father is. And there have been plenty of generations since this great sin for them to change, as well as a cultural norm of nuclear family for decades which encouraged it. That this is still the case means a failure of will or lack of desire for change.

    Or maybe that just isn’t how Africans are? In Africa, it is common for a big man to take on multiple wives and have dozens of children.

    This is the culture of “baby momma” which implies that the man only wanted the girl as a sexual plaything and nothing beyond that, and oops she got pregnant. It is an incredibly callous and mysogynistic term, and it is the norm in those communities.

    The culture *is* as it *is* currently. The reason may very well be slavery, or it may stretch back to African cultural traditions. That is up for debate. But that really is the past, and it appears many don’t have the will or the desire to change this culture.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  213. Wally says:
    @Okechukwu

    said:
    “The colonialists will need to be bulletproof this time around.”

    Indeed, leave it to dumb Africans to chase away the very people that improved dumb Africa.

    Now look at Africa, can’t even feed themselves.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  214. Wally says:
    @Okechukwu

    Note that the links by racist ‘Okechukwu’ indicate that ‘black farmers’ are having their hands held by whites.

    ‘Making Detroit bloom’? I’ll believe it when I see it. LOL

  215. Wally says:
    @Okechukwu

    Slavery of black Africans would have never happened without black Africans selling their black African slaves first

    African chiefs urged to apologise for slave trade
    Nigerian civil rights group says tribal leaders’ ancestors sold people to slavers and should say sorry

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/18/africans-apologise-slave-trade

    “African chiefs were the ones waging war on each other and capturing their own people and selling them. If anyone should apologise it should be the African chiefs. We still have those traitors here even today.”

  216. @jilles dykstra

    With all due respect!
    I still cant figure out who are the Tjechs.

    There were never any industries in Sudetenland and there never will be.
    The land is basically mountainside used for agriculture mainly planted are the hobs vines.

    Your quote:
    The Ugandans evicted the Indians, from India,

    This one really puzzles me. Where are are all the Indians today. On Mars?

  217. Mike P says:
    @jilles dykstra

    If the implication is that farmers are stupid, you’re quite wrong.

    Yes, I would be quite wrong – but I was trying to make the exact opposite point. Farmers, particularly in the olden days, had to be well versed in vast number of skills. I had the opportunity to meet quite a few of them, not least among my own relatives, and I always found them to have good sense and judgement.

  218. Okechukwu says:
    @bucky

    What’s funny about this statement is Robert Smart was forced off of his land by the black revolutionary government. They shot teargas and changed the locks.

    It was a misunderstanding that was rectified upon further review. Revolutions are never without innocent victims. Millions of innocents had their heads lopped off or were otherwise shot and dumped into mass graves in various European revolutions. What happened to Robert Smart was a girl scout outing by comparison. Besides, the intransigence of white farmers on stolen land and their unwillingness to compromise was what led the war veterans to finally take matters into their own hands after patiently waiting for 20 years. That offers a cautionary tale for South Africa, be reasonable and compromise or lose everything.

    Or, for that matter, burning down entire city blocks out of nationalistic rage which was what BLM was doing in 2015.

    I don’t recall BLM buring down any city blocks. But I do recall white sports fans rioting and burning down everything in sight after victories or defeats.

    Or how about white globalization or Occupy Wall Street or G20 protesters who go on orgies of violence and destruction?

    Or how about jealous and hate-filled whites who burned down entire black neighborhoods and business districts out of sheer envy of high achieving blacks?

    Or how about the New York Draft Riots where white mobs intentionally burned down an orphanage filled with black children?

    Or how about the Johnson/Jeffries riots in which white mobs hunted down and murdered innocent black men, women and children simply because a white man lost a boxing match to a black man?

    I can go on and on. Do you want more?

    • Replies: @Wally
  219. Okechukwu says:
    @Wally

    Indeed, leave it to dumb Africans to chase away the very people that improved dumb Africa.

    Now look at Africa, can’t even feed themselves.

    Prior to colonization, hunger was an unknown quantity in Africa. Europeans were the ones burdened by constant famines, which was one of the many reasons they fled that shithole en masse for distant shores.

    Don’t worry about Africa. It took Britain over a thousand years to get itself together after Roman occupation. Africans are doing it in a fraction of the time. Today some of the fasting growing economies in the world are in Africa. Every major international corporation is setting up shop there, wanting to take advantage of the human resources and brain power there, the energy, the vitality and the youthful population that will double and triple over one or two generations.

    • Replies: @Wally
  220. Mike P says:
    @Stan d Mute

    I’m curious how your parents’ experience shaped you.

    Well, by the time I was born, my parents had already sold their (small) farm, and my father was enrolled in university. My mom lived with her brother and helped with his farm; but by the time my memory sets in, that period was over. So for me it was all second-hand, stories told by my parents and visiting with my mom’s relatives, who continued to farm themselves.

    Re. Monsanto verdict – cursory reading of abstracts listed on PubMed suggests that the carcinogenic effect of glyphosate is either weak or absent. How the court reached its verdict I don’t want to speculate, but I notice that the U.S. justice system regularly produces outcomes consistent with the view that the entire system exists for the very purpose of being misused (i.e., that it is just another racket). I hope of course your big C is under control or gone for good.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  221. @bucky

    It is the savanna rhythmic screwing beneath the hot African sun and there was no need for a mercantile or trade civilization to develop because women were not materialistic due to being satisfied by the big black dongs of the black.

    Consequently civilization developed along the lines of Alpha studs as oppose to inventors or merchants.

    This is why blacks make good pimps and Alpha breeders.

  222. Corvinus says:
    @mark green

    “In So. Africa, the black majority is now confiscating (without compensation) white-run and white-owned farms that white pioneers created centuries ago.”

    White pioneers stole, not created. What comes around, goes around, right?

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Malla
  223. @Mike P

    I hope of course your big C is under control or gone for good.

    I’ve always been annoyed by this kind of politeness or virtue signaling or whatever. I don’t know why it bothers me so much. It started when my mother was dying of C and with my health issues has never stopped. I know it’s because either (1) we don’t know what else to say and silence is awkward or (2) it’s the FaceBerg Syndrome and before I began being annoyed by it I was as guilty as anyone so I’m not busting your balls here, just saying that some of us would prefer either silence or a “sucks to be you doesn’t it?”

    Anyway, as with many young C patients, the cure is a long term death sentence. Aggressive chemo and radiation carry long term costs that are moot for older patients but doom for younger patients. They buy you some time and the question really becomes one of quality of life during that temporary reprieve from death. Fortunately, before the side effects of having my life extended by a couple decades can kill me, I’ll be killed by side effects of medical implants. Life is day to day or even hour to hour for me. Then again, isn’t it so for everyone (whether they know it or not)? I’ve died once already so that experience doesn’t frighten me, it’s almost exactly like pre-surgical anaesthesia – just a slow warm fading into darkness. For me, it will bring welcome relief. Family will suffer (or celebrate as the case may be) but I can’t help that either. Some say it sucks to die young, but I’ve spent a huge amount of time around hospitals and nursing homes and know it sucks to get old too. Nobody gets out of here alive anyway.. Check out the Netflix doc called Bleeding Edge if you’re ever in the mood for some depressing reality.

    • Replies: @Mike P
  224. Okechukwu says:
    @jilles dykstra

    The Ugandans evicted the Indians, from India

    Deservedly so. The British knew they had nothing to fear from the docile Indians, so they set them up as merchants and traders rather than having Africans perform those functions. The Indians eagerly took on the mantel of second class citizens to their British masters, with perfect contentment as long as they could vilify and racially abuse the third class citizen Africans. Against this backdrop, I consider Idi Amin a great hero for getting rid of them.

    Indians have always been a nefarious force in Africa, exemplified recently by the treachery of the Gupta family in South Africa.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  225. Wally says:
    @Okechukwu

    said:
    “Indians have always been a nefarious force in Africa, exemplified recently by the treachery of the Gupta family in South Africa.”

    Your anti-Indian racism is showing.

    • Replies: @bucky
    , @Malla
  226. Wally says:
    @Corvinus

    “Stole” from people who were not even there … good luck with that.

    But then you are a Zionist who supports the racist, violent, & very real thieves of “that shitty little country”.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  227. Wally says:
    @Okechukwu

    Laughably said:
    “Today some of the fasting growing economies in the world are in Africa.”

    Please provide proof.
    “Fastest growing” compared to what?

    said:
    “Europeans were the ones burdened by constant famines, which was one of the many reasons they fled that shithole en masse for distant shores.”

    What “constant famines”? Caused by what?

    “Shitholes” that dumb Africans are running to like the incapable, unproductive & lazy dummies that they are. LOL

    said:
    “Every major international corporation is setting up shop there, wanting to take advantage of the human resources and brain power there, the energy, the vitality and the youthful population that will double and triple over one or two generations.”

    Please list all these corporations and where they are setting up shop.
    Tell us who started these corporations?
    Who created the goods & services that they want to sell?
    It’s not low IQ Africans, that’s for sure.

    Still waiting for you statistics concerning your hilarious assertion that ‘white So. African’s are living like royalty’.

    • Replies: @Andrew E. Mathis
  228. bucky says:
    @Wally

    They deserve it. Ever interact with Indians? They are wanna-be Jews. But while Jews at least have evolved in response to criticism, Indians often grasp for the ugliness. You know how all of those tech support scams are coming out of India? The Chinese operate in gray areas, sure, but they don’t go for outright lying like Indians do.

    Read up on the Guptas. It’s pretty disgusting what they’re doing to SA.

  229. Corvinus says:
    @Wally

    ““Stole” from people who were not even there … good luck with that.”

    The native Khoikhoi people were there way back in the 1600′s, you shill.

    “But then you are a Zionist who supports the racist, violent, & very real thieves of “that shitty little country”.”

    All your lies are belong to us.

    • Replies: @Wally
  230. Wally says:
    @Okechukwu

    It’s revealing that you ignore massive BLM violence in Baltimore, Berkeley, Baton Rouge, Ferguson, & St. Louis, on & on.

    You mean the orphanage where children were not harmed. Oops.

    The Johnson/Jeffries ‘riots’ killed how many exactly. Three?
    That’s about a few minutes worth of 24/7/365 black on white murders that would be called ‘genocide’ if the victims were anyone else.

    What ‘high achieving black neighborhoods’ did whites burn down? LOL
    The claim is an oxymoron and a lie.

    The limited Occupy Wall Street silliness, which BTW had many blacks, was a mere pittance compared to the 24/7/365 violence & destruction by low IQ blacks.
    Do tell us how many blacks were killed compared to murders by blacks.

    ‘White sports fans”, are actually ‘white & black sports fans’, & they hardly ‘burn down everything in sight. You are desperate indeed.
    Do tell us how many blacks were killed compared to murders by blacks.

    said:
    “I can go on and on. Do you want more?”

    Since you have made a fool of yourself, I suggest you stop. for your own good. LOL

  231. mcohen says:

    South africa in the 1800′s was open country.British empire surveyors divided the land up into farms and they were then sold off to whites to farm.this enterprise was bankrolled by british financial institutions.blacks farmed in areas but it was small scale subsistence and cattle and not commercial style European style farming.once mining companies started extracting gold commercial farming kicked off as immigrants arrived and black labour populations increased.

    Let us not bullshit anymore.

    1.from day one blacks were uneducated cheap labour that with white university trained engineers etc built the infastructure.wages were low.a dollar a day as comparison

    2.black labour on farms a dollar a month

    3.afrikaaners fought the British for independence and lost the war and became apartheids enforcers to keep the country and the mines running.the blacks were slowly educated and uplifted

    4.white afrikaaners were vilified and abandoned by the british even though they fought the wars and worked the mines.

    Therefore british empire must resettle and compensate each and evey afrikaaner.

    British empire tried the same shit in israel but they will not get away with it.

  232. Mike P says:
    @Stan d Mute

    I’ve always been annoyed by this kind of politeness or virtue signaling or whatever.

    Didn’t mean to upset you. In this particular case, I simply wanted to prevent coming across as hostile or callous, to make clear that my taking sides with Monsanto wasn’t personal. But I guess you knew that anyway.

    Maybe I can just wish you a good evening then. And if that is again too much virtue-signalling, just call me names over nice, cool beer.

    • Replies: @Stan d Mute
  233. crimson2 says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    the idea of whites leaving US like they did Flint or Detroit scares you.

    Scares me? Lol, if you and your white nationalist buddies want to leave the US, I’ll start a Gofundme for it myself. White supremacists have been holding this country back for a long time..

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  234. crimson2 says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Amazing that people who were kidnapped don’t know their roots.

    And why do you racists always assume that anyone who isn’t racist is not white? I’m Norwegian.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  235. Mike P says:

    And why do you racists always assume that anyone who isn’t racist is not white? I’m Norwegian.

    So we should assume then that all Norwegians are white? I think you are racist.

    But jesting aside, you are right that racism is holding back the U.S. – particularly if it takes the form of “affirmative action.”

  236. bj says:

    The Cape area was occupied by the Khoekhoe(Hottentots, Bushmen) when the Dutch Boers arrived sponsored by the Dutch East Indies Company. The Afrikaner Boers expanded from the Cape east to the Fish River where they encountered the amaXhosa.

    “AmaBhulu – The Birth and Death of the Second America-Harry Booyens” is a history of the Boers in South Africa, narrated as Harry Booyen’s family history. I am reading the book and recommend it as a real history, instead of the agenda driven historical narrative of many comments on this thread.

    https://www.amazon.com/AmaBhulu-Birth-Death-Second-America/dp/0992159016/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=&dpID=51fCekE-7ZL&preST=_SX258_BO1,204,203,200_QL70_&dpSrc=detail

    Review from Amazon…..”This is a book that all liberty loving people should read, and share with their friends and family. Dr. Booyens’ attention to detail and thorough reconstruction of historical events provide a window to the history of South Africa that is all encompassing and masterfully researched. To understand the history of AmaBhulu (the white tribe of Africa) is to understand sacrifice, determination, and persecution, beyond anything that we can ever learn from a biased mainstream media and liberal worldview. As bad as apartheid was, it pales in comparison to life under the communist controlled ANC and the return to tribalism and anarchy that has only accelerated over the past decade. The lessons to be learned from abandoning ideas that work, for ideologies and causes that are designed to fail, should cause alarm for thinking citizens in 21st Century America. This thought provoking book foretells a world without the 20th Century American vision of freedom; hell bent on defeatism, political correctness and nihilism. This book is a must read and will remain a true Afrikaner historical classic for many generations to come.”

  237. Wally says:
    @Corvinus

    said:
    “The native Khoikhoi people were there way back in the 1600′s, you shill.”

    These nonads were where?

    Prove they were in South Africa before Europeans, Zionist redneck trash.

  238. bj says:

    “I am not for the killing of white people, at least for now!”

  239. @Wally

    As far as anyone can tell, the Khoi have been there forever. Literally since humans have existed. And they aren’t nomads.

    • Replies: @Wally
  240. @Mike P

    my taking sides with Monsanto wasn’t personal. But I guess you knew that anyway.

    Maybe I can just wish you a good evening then. And if that is again too much virtue-signalling, just call me names over nice, cool beer.

    Call me a skeptic on Monsanto, the jury may be in, but I’m still out in the wilderness on it. I distrust most studies reflexively as I find they too often “prove” whatever the funder hoped they’d prove.

    And a simple, “Sucks to be you brother, cheers!” would have sufficed but no worries. Much more meaningful (to me anyway) would be, “Damn, you made me laugh out loud” or “I’d never thought of that before.” Save the feelz for the girls, they seem to crave that shit…

  241. @crimson2

    The difference is you don’t see Bush and Trump going to Johannesburg and dancing with people who sing “Kill the Boer.” I don’t know why this sort of thing needs to be explained to people, but when you say things like “these yokels have to blame the black guy so they can feel superior for once in their dull lonely lives,” it says more about you and your perspective than anyone else.

    • Replies: @Crimson2
  242. Truth says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    …But almost no black Americans have any idea where they are from.

    Now there’s a shock…

  243. Truth says:
    @Okechukwu

    Damn, O-Dawg is obliterating you guys one at a time.

    Need to step it up, White Men.

  244. here’s 4 white guys who have escaped the S.A. Cannibal’s Pot:

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gz2GVlQkn4Q

    no thanks to Ilana Issacsohn-alias-Mercer though

    or her daddy the “anti-apartheid” rabbi

  245. mcohen says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    That is a fact and an african success story.obama was the first us president to visit and address the african union and it was a positive move that will have implications for the future.

    http://www.africanews.com/2017/07/28/flash-back-obama-s-historic-address-to-the-au-in-ethiopia-2-years-ago/

  246. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    The British knew they had nothing to fear from the docile Indians, so they set them up as merchants and traders rather than having Africans perform those functions.

    Your bullshit has been disproved in another page of unz. But you keep your stupid bullshit going. Indians were no docile people far less docile than blacks. The history of Indians in South Africa is proof. Blacks (in general) could not compete with Indians in business in general and hence looting of Indians due to jealousy. Typical black childish jealousy. The Indians did not help, they did not show any interest in native black cultures and in general treated the native blacks as some kind of untouchables but we Indians tend to do it to everybody not only blacks.

    Indians have always been a nefarious force in Africa

    This is true up to a large extent. But that is why White African rule was important to prevent nefarious Indian behaviour. Most black governments will be helpless to Indian interference in the long term.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Okechukwu
  247. @crimson2

    The tough and Alpha Norwegians all moved to the Upper Midwest in the 19th century.

    • Replies: @Crimson2
  248. Malla says:
    @Corvinus

    White pioneers stole, not created.

    No you are wrong as usual. They created a technologically a far superior society than that was already there. And the natives took advantage of that advanced society and still are taking advantage of what was created.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  249. Malla says:
    @Tunie

    The list of attocities commited by whites in Africa let alone South Africa is nearly infinite.

    Communist rubbish. Whites topped slavery in Africa and brought superior technology which helped the natives. If Whites wanted they could have more or less exterminated the entire black population with ease, they did nothing of the sort and were not interested in anything of the sort. Without Whites coming in all of Africa would have become a vast Arab colony of slaves. The Arabs were pushing south relentlessly.

    The Dalit, Aboriginals and Native people’s

    What ganja are you smoking? Dalits? The Whites helped the Dalits from the brutality they faced from upper caste Hindus. All this communist politically correct brain washing is producing a population of idiots.

    White farmers in South Africa are descendants of Europeans, who stole land.

    Some land yes but not all. Most blacks are descendants of the big bantu expansion where bantu blacks stole land from pygmies and bushmen like tribes.

  250. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Black people are not vindictive, malicious people. We adore white people like this farmer.

    LMFAO. Most (not all) black people are some of the most vindictive people one can even find. Full of childish jealousy. Again not all black people are like that.

    The farmers are celebrating because they are tired of Mugabe;s mismanagement and remember the better days when the land bloomed under White farmers. They remember the good days when Whites farmed the land and the land bloomed, working conditions were better etc… That is why they are celebrating. The White farmers of Africa are some of the best in the World, true gems of talent.

    Robert Smart is the ideal candidate for restoration, albeit under radically different terms and conditions from what white farmers enjoyed prior to liberation.
    Only the likes of Robert Smart are eligible.

    Your B.S. has no limit. Yet your hero Mugabe kicked Robert Smart out of his farm.

    On the contrary, it’s great news.

    Your attempt at positive spin was a great failure.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  251. Malla says:
    @Wally

    I wonder if you know of the genocide of Arabs by blacks in Zanzibar.

    THE GENOCIDE OF ARABS & Indians IN ZANZIBAR BY BLACK MASS MURDERERS

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  252. Malla says:

    Zimbabwe’s loss of talent has been to the benefit of other African countries. The idiot buffoon Mugabe, in order to hide his incompetence mismanagement of Zimbabwe decided to misdirect the anger of black Zimbabweans towards the talented White farmers bringing misery to his own country. But other African countries have been quick to pick up this White Zimbabwean talent like a kid in a candy store.
    Zambia for one

    White farmers thrive in Zambia years after driven from Zimbabwe

    Zambia is reaping the benefits of Zimbabwean farmers

    White farmers thrive in Zambia years after driven from Zimbabwe

    Me thinks these White farmers are idiots to stay in Africa, should have left the continent. But Zambia will benefit enormously from the talent of these farmers.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Okechukwu
  253. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Mozambique did not want to be left behind in getting their hands on this farming talent.

    Zimbabwe’s white farmers start anew in Mozambique

    Rhodesian farmers coming to Mozambique

    Zimbabwe’s loss, Mozambique’s gain.

    • Replies: @Malla
  254. @Malla

    The British imported Gujarati traders.

    Like the Chinese in Southeast Asia, once they get a hold on the economy, the society as a whole is screwed.

    Koreans in the LA ghetto were equally despised, as were the Jews that got “burned out” in the 1968 riots.

  255. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Your bullshit has been disproved in another page of unz.

    By you? I think not. I wiped the floor with you back then too.

    Indians were no docile people far less docile than blacks. The history of Indians in South Africa is proof.

    The British imported Indians specifically to form a buffer of docility between themselves and blacks. The British understood that as prideful, self-respecting people, educated Africans would quickly deduce that no one was better than them. Indeed, that’s exactly what happened. Ultimately, it was educated Africans that refused to live under the yolk of colonialism.

    If you read Gandhi’s quotes from his time in South Africa, much of it is devoted to his lamentations over Indians not being elevated to a station above the “kaffirs.” He doesn’t want to rise to the level of whites, perceiving himself inferior, he only wants to rise above blacks.

    The history of Indians in South Africa is proof. Blacks (in general) could not compete with Indians in business in general and hence looting of Indians due to jealousy.

    If Indians have such great business acumen, we would expect to find manifestations of their excellence in India itself, and we don’t. This is a massive country of 1.3 billion people with a meager GDP equal to the combined market caps of Apple and Amazon. What you fail to understand is that the Indians in South Africa were not seen as a threat to the white population or the apartheid system. However, blacks were seen as a grave threat so they developed a vast infrastructure of persecution to keep blacks down. While Indians also faced persecution and discrimination, it was not of the pervasive, stifling kind faced by blacks. An unfair competition is not a real competition.

    The Indians did not help, they did not show any interest in native black cultures and in general treated the native blacks as some kind of untouchables but we Indians tend to do it to everybody not only blacks.

    Well then your getting banished from Uganda was eminently justified.

    But that is why White African rule was important to prevent nefarious Indian behaviour.

    You ought to try white rule in India. Maybe they can assist you with your public defecation problem. Or the tortuous bureaucratic inertia that results in almost complete dysfunction. Or the aching poverty that places Indians below Africans in terms of wealth per capita. Or the rampant corruption. Or the filth and squalor.

    Most black governments will be helpless to Indian interference in the long term.

    Any wealthy person with a disposition toward corruption and exploitation can interfere with third world governments. India is no less vulnerable. Any African billionaire could just about overthrow the Indian government.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  256. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    LMFAO. Most (not all) black people are some of the most vindictive people one can even find. Full of childish jealousy. Again not all black people are like that.

    I believe this is projection on your part. Black people are noted for their easygoing spirit, their boundless capacity to forgive and forget. Indians, on the other hand, are thought to be scheming, duplicitous, covetous, envious and vindictive. Plus they generally have very poor hygiene.

    The farmers are celebrating because they are tired of Mugabe;s mismanagement and remember the better days when the land bloomed under White farmers. They remember the good days when Whites farmed the land and the land bloomed, working conditions were better etc… That is why they are celebrating.

    Upthread you will see my post where I provide abundant evidence as to why the people were celebrating. It had nothing to do with Mugabe or pining for so-called good old days..blah blah blah. Once again, the gentleman supported the freedom fighters during the war of liberation. Furthermore, after liberation he voluntarily gave up his farm in the full knowledge that at some point that land was stolen from its rightful owners. Further still, after giving up his farm he continued to help and assist the people in any way he could. Conversely, any white supremacist dimwit former Rhodesian farmer who goes back to Zimbabwe to get his farm back will probably get a bullet instead.

    The White farmers of Africa are some of the best in the World, true gems of talent.

    They don’t actually farm. They sit on their asses and shuffle paper. If you knew anything about running an enterprise you would understand how these things work. The white farmer in Africa was far removed from the actual process of farming.

    Your attempt at positive spin was a great failure.

    Your attempt at face-saving after getting destroyed with your own citation is the very definition of failure. You’re the one that introduced Robert Smart. But you hadn’t done your homework and left yourself wide open for my kill shot.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Sk
  257. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Hell, even Nigeria is taking in this White African talent and benefiting. Bathroom cleaners indeed!!!

    13 hardy farmers from Zimbabwe boost Nigeria

    Zimbabwe’s white farmers find new start in Nigeria
    Even South Africans are going to Nigeria and some of the largest growers of Cassava and some of the biggest dairy farmers are now White Africans. The local Nigerians are happy and are living well with the White farmers and the local areas are seeing a lot of development.

    More from Mozambique

    The New Voortrekkers – Mozambique
    Boers in Mozambique

  258. Malla says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Fastest growing means nothing if you are starting from a much lower base. Ethiopia was cursed with years of brutal communist rule, the commies killed the Emperor and buried his body in a bathroom. At the same time wars and the separation of Eritrea took it’s tool. And after any war, there is going to be a lot of development as there is a lot of things to be built and thus you get growth. This has also been the case with Angola.
    The Chinese coming in and building great infrastructure also helps a lot. They have driven a lot of African growth. But will this growth sustain? We have to see. India is also a wonderful growth story, Western media is jumping all around like monkeys screeching about the India story. I live in India, things have improved but to be honest it is all a hype and it is very doubtful India is ever goona become a first world country, EVER. There have been similar hypes about Brazil and Turkey before it all fizzled out. I guess De Gaulle had joked once something of this like, about Brazil, that there has been hopes of Brazil for a long time in the last century only to fizzle out, the world has been hearing about African success stories for decades now. Growth is beneficial to international investors who want more returns on their investment. Thus developing countries are all the rage but these countries always contain risks.
    So lets us control ourselves and see if it continues into the long term. The massive reduction in global poverty stats of the UN has primarily been China. China’s great achievements skewed the statistics of the Third World as a whole.
    The best black African success story has been Botswana to be honest. The best African story was Apartheid South Africa, Namibia, Rhodesia and even Mauritius where the population is more than 60% Indian. One more success story (though not as successful as pre 1994 South Africa) was Libya before it was destroyed by the Western elites.

    Indeed if you ask me the future looks pretty dark for both the Indian subcontinent and Africa (and the whole world to be honest). With massive improvements in AI and robotics and automation, we are going to see a LOT LESS jobs in the future as most jobs will be automated. Both Africa and the Indian subcontinent has a huge young population. It is likely, most will never get a job, ever. Even the Indian government which was dancing around the world singing songs of ‘Demographic Dividends’ is not seriously cautioning about a ‘Demographic Disaster’.

  259. APilgrim says:

    Strangely, Dead White Farmers do not harvest their crops.

    Grains ———- FY2014 —– FY2015 —- FY2016

    Total Exports — $556M —– $330M —– 290M

    Total Imports —- $607M —- $594M —– $908M

    South Africa – Agricultural Sector Last Published: 7/19/2017, https://www.export.gov/article?id=South-Africa-agricultural-equipment

  260. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    The British giving some advantage to Indians in East Africa is pure nonsense. The Indians went to East Africa as labourers to build the great railway projects of the British East African Empire. It is because of the sweat of Indian labourers and British brains that, that part of Africa had an infrastructure before the Chinese moved in. After the completion of the projects, the East African Indians became businessmen. Locally called dukkawallahs (dukan means shop in Hindi and dukkawalas comes from hindi dukkanwala or shopkeeper) traveled far and wide among dangerous tribes in the interior and built commercial networks. V.S. Naipaul writes about this in his book ‘North to South: an African Journey’. According to him both the blacks and Whites there are scum, both deserve each other he writes and it is the poor Indians who suffered.
    These dukkawalas went into interiors where no British colonial or other blacks would go. They worked hard and built commercial networks and later became industrialists. They drove the local economies. It is said that the Indians via their network knew what was going on in other parts of the lands before the slow blacks knew anything, they ran circles around the slower blacks, because of their faster more agile brains. Of course they culturally remained aloof from both the blacks and the Whites but that is the nature of Indian people. Indian people tend to do this even in White, Arab and East Asian lands. This is something I do not approve of the Indians there. They should have shown some interest in the local cultures and been more friendly. But very few Indians think like me, we are a very insular people. This is one complaint of the blacks I agree with. Also Indians do not invest back into the economy as Whites or even East Asians do as Indians are a mercantile people. Business people. Whites are better than Indians as they are more honest and they ‘become of the land’ and wherever they go, the local standard of living improve. Indians stick to Mother India wherever we go and the improvements are much smaller. Same with Arabs. The Chinese are in between Whites and Indians. I would prefer the Chinese to Indians and Arabs if I were the president of a black country, hands down. And I am not even talking about the Israelis who run a lot of things in the continent behind the scenes and even start civil wars at will, by riling up the dumb tribal blacks. The Israelis are gonna be involved in Africa like forever now. No escape from them.
    So we see that the local Indians with hard work, ambition and talent built great business empires in East Africa. The jealous blacks, always jealous and full of their little pathetic envies, just looted the Indians out with devilish glee. No wonder, the economy of Uganda contracted when the Indians left.
    If one thinks Indians are more docile, he is an idiot. Before the blacks, Indians were the ones who were protesting in South Africa. many blacks got radicalized due to Indians. Of course the Indians wanted the Whites gone as they knew the corrupt black governments would be hapless in front of the more mentally agile Indian businessmen. No wonder the Guptas took over power so fast, before them a Muslim south Asian businessman had bought up the government. This would be impossible during White rule as the White Afrikaners would have kept Indians in check. No wonder the Guptas ran a psych op in South Africa riling up the dumb blacks against the Whites.

    But there is going to be a massive expansion into Africa by Indians and Arabs in the future. PM Modi is talking about this and will happen soon. No escape. Cling to the Chinese as we will be seeing an Indian/Arab/ Israeli tsunami of business expansions into Africa and thus exploitation. No escape.

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  261. APilgrim says:

    Agrarian Land Reform (AKA Communism, Farm Seizure, Socialism) continues to produce: STARVATION, POVERTY, DISEASE, & DEATH, beyond your wildest nightmares.

    Recent Examples: Rhodesia, Venezuela & South Africa

  262. @crimson2

    “Holding the country back”

    What kind of homosexual Lutheran cuckold are you? The type that imports Somalians into Minneapolis?

    Why are you on THIS blog? Everybody is going on and on about Jews and Zionism and you’ve focused on me.

    I’m more than happy not live with a Section 8 down the street and having to choose between cable television and Catholic school for my kids so they don’t end up in a public school full of Beans, Trailer Trash and Hood Rats.

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  263. @Malla

    Its not THAT simple-the country was the possession of Oman and had been since Sinbad discovered Zanzibar centuries earlier (The Roc was based on some Elephant Bird the Omani Arabs hunted down to extinction).

    There was a bloody revolution but that was because Oman would not grant Independence to Zanzibar.

  264. Corvinus says:
    @Wally

    “Prove they were in South Africa before Europeans, Zionist redneck trash.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khoikhoi#Arrival_of_Europeans

  265. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    I believe this is projection on your part. Black people are noted for their easygoing spirit, their boundless capacity to forgive and forget. Indians, on the other hand, are thought to be scheming, duplicitous, covetous, envious and vindictive. Plus they generally have very poor hygiene.

    Nope, not at all , you are gloating rubbish. Of course I do not speak of all blacks as all kind of people are found in all races and ethnic groups. Blacks are noted for their easy going spirit that is true but blacks are also noted for being thieving, lying, cheating, childish, violent, extremely envious, unpredictable, vindictive, indolent, not taking responsibility and being very duplicitous. Blacks on the positive side also have a reputation of being fun loving. Again I am not saying all blacks have the negative traits I have mentioned above. There are decent civilized black people and I have come across them.

    Once again, the gentleman supported the freedom fighters during the war of liberation.

    What rubbish, Mugabe drove him away from his farm. And the fact that he helped the black terrorists and still got driven away shows what a bunch of scum Mugabe and his men are. Your clownish pathetic attempts at putting a positive spin is wasting everybody’s time. Everybody can see that is not the main reason the villagers are celebrating. The villagers are celebrating as they have suffered a lot under Mugabe and his dumb clownish policies and now with the coming of the Whites there will be prosperity and stability.

    They don’t actually farm. The white farmer in Africa was far removed from the actual process of farming.

    Your imaginations and dreams do not make reality. They do and their expertise makes these farms so successful. Most of the workers do the grunt work.

    Your attempt at face-saving after getting destroyed with your own citation is the very definition of failure. You’re the one that introduced Robert Smart. But you hadn’t done your homework and left yourself wide open for my kill shot.

    More nonsense to cover up the fact that attempt at positive spin failed.

  266. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    By you? I think not.

    No by a poster named Art Deco.

    I wiped the floor with you back then too.

    Typical black gloating with gas. You only wiped your face as you were sweating.

    The British imported Indians specifically to form a buffer of docility between themselves and blacks.

    Again gas talks. Your desires and wishful thinking does not make reality. The British brought Indians to build the railways as the local blacks were lazy, indolent and unreliable.

    The British understood that as prideful, self-respecting people, educated Africans would quickly deduce that no one was better than them. Indeed, that’s exactly what happened. Ultimately, it was educated Africans that refused to live under the yolk of colonialism.

    Only in your dreams. that is not how exactly it happened. The Communist agents riled up the blacks as Douglas Reed has shown in his books. The Communists riled up the blacks against the Whites not because they cared about blacks but because they wanted the Whites gone. before that blacks were more or less happy with White rule.

    If you read Gandhi’s quotes from his time in South Africa, much of it is devoted to his lamentations over Indians not being elevated to a station above the “kaffirs.” He doesn’t want to rise to the level of whites, perceiving himself inferior, he only wants to rise above blacks.

    When the Indians were revolting blacks were happy with their condition. Indians wanted separation with blacks because blacks had a higher propensity to commit crime, were more violent, and were from a tribal background as against Indians who come from 3000 years of civilization. Whites considered all darkies to be one. Indians do not even like living with Whites and Chinese, forget blacks by a thousand miles. Indians in those days would have been very conservative and strict caste laws dictate a lot of rules of life. Touching humans who ate beef is considered a sin in Hindu, Jain and even Sikh culture. But I do not expect an ignorant idiot like you to know this. I do not approve of these caste rules but I am just explaining the psychology of Indians back then.

    If Indians have such great business acumen, we would expect to find manifestations of their excellence in India itself, and we don’t. This is a massive country of 1.3 billion people with a meager GDP equal to the combined market caps of Apple and Amazon.

    LOL the whole of Africa isn’t much better. Even though Africa has ten times the land as the Indian subcontinent with the same population and loads of resources. Armenians have very good business acuman, in fact in the Ottoman Empire there was a saying that “it took two Turks to fool a Greek, two Greeks to fool a Jew and two Jews to fool an Armenian” . Armenians are one of the most sucessful business community in the world but Armenia is a shithole (better than Africa though) even though it is so close to Europe . Mercantile peoples are good at becoming market dominant minorities in other countries but cannot build a first world country themselves. For building a first world country you need populations like the Germans, English, Japanese, Koreans etc…

    The British imported Indians specifically to form a buffer of docility
    What you fail to understand is that the Indians in South Africa were not seen as a threat

    Indians were not a threat in numbers as Indians are less than Whites in South Africa. Blacks had threat in numbers. Your stupid braying of docile Indians is proven flat wrong by the fact that Indians were never enslaved in the same way as blacks, because White knew that Indians cannot so easily be enslaved. This is true for both Asian Indians and American Indians. As an American general once said‘The Red Indian resisted and perished, the blackman submitted and survived.’.
    Once slavery ended in the Caribbean, the Whites took Indians as SERVANTS not slaves. Whites were in India from 1600 and above, why did they not take Indians as slaves but only blacks? This is because they know that unlike black Africans, Proud Indians cannot be enslaved so easily. But once slavery ended, the Whites did not take any more blacks. They took Indians as servants (not slaves) as the freed slaves were lazy and dumb. Hardworking, industrious, intelligent Indians were preferable. What you clowns do not realize is that had the transatlantic slavery not taken place, the Caribbean would now be full of Asian Indians not blacks.

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  267. @Malla

    Indians did know where Africa was on the map until the British hauled them there as laborers; Gujarati being parasitical merchant types quickly brought enough capitol to run businesses that Brits could not be bothered to.

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  268. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Well then your getting banished from Uganda was eminently justified.

    Me, when did I get banished? No sensible government would do that. Anyways Indians have gone back to Uganda and are again the main pillar of the economy which is recovering. Idi amin took his looted wealth and retired in Saudia. The cars he bought came from an Indian dealer and thus Ugandan wealth went to Indians. Amin dada cried ‘Hey Allah, why can’t I escape from these sneaky cunning industrious Indians?’. He cried a lot and the tissues he used, unknown to him, ere bought from a store owned by an Indian from Jeddah. LOL

    Maybe they can assist you with your public defecation problem. Or the tortuous bureaucratic inertia that results in almost complete dysfunction. Or the aching poverty … Or the rampant corruption.

    Sub Saharan Africa faces all of the above problem. So I guess White rule it should be.

    Or the filth and squalor.

    What filth and squalor? Lagos, a tiny city in India is as clean as Tokyo. Have a look.

    Any wealthy person with a disposition toward corruption and exploitation can interfere with third world governments.

    Very true. Not only third world, even first world governments are vulnerable to this. Just like the recent Indian tycoons, the Adanis buying influence in Australia. And let us not get started on the Jewish lobby.

    India is no less vulnerable.

    It is less vulnerable but vulnerable none the less.

    Any African billionaire could just about overthrow the Indian government.

    LMFAO. I would love see some such billionaire try. No really.

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  269. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    What you fail to understand is that the Indians in South Africa were not seen as a threat to the white population or the apartheid system. However, blacks were seen as a grave threat so they developed a vast infrastructure of persecution to keep blacks down.

    Not as simple as that. They tried the same thing with Indians but mercantile Indians still became very rich. Indians bought some influence in the White government, Jewish style, to allow Indians more freedoms. If it had been a black government, they would have bought it up complete but since it was a White government there were limitations, the Afrikaners kept us in check. That is why Indians wanted the White government gone and thus many supported the ANC, so that they could buy up the future black government. Which they did with ease.

    From Douglas Reed
    “All things are comparative, and the outcry which is often raised at United Nations meetings, about
    the treatment of the Indians in South Africa rings false to those who observe how seldom the
    roofless Bantu is mentioned there. The Indians of Natal enjoy the same advantage, in these
    international poker-games, as the Political Zionists. They are wealthy and have powerful friends in
    those places; the Native, like the native Arab of Palestine, has none, so that his rights or wrongs go
    equally unheard.
    Thus Mother India, which cared not a fig for these orphans when they went to seek their own fig tree in Natal, is loud on their behalf, and is often supported by the humanitarian Liberals of London and New York, who rejoiced to see the Palestinian Arabs driven from their native sands. What Mother India’s game is may emerge in the next half-century, as the unexpected results of Mr. Gandhi’s political thought have appeared from the last one. Pandit Nehru once remarked with emphasis that ‘India happens to have 300,000,000 people’, and on another occasion that ‘Colonialism must end’. Indian Colonialism, however, may be just beginning. ”

    We bought influence baby. hehehe

    Also you cannot explain why Indians run the economy in Guyana and Trinidad & Tobago, both nearly 50-50 Asian Indian-Black. Blacks were there earlier but the more matured, industrious, intelligent, later migrant Indians easily took over the economy, run the economy today and they let the childish blacks run the Police (to keep them busy and feel important).

    South Africa may expel its Whites to its own detriment (the Jewish run world does not allow other nations to care about the Whites) but if it tries the same monkey business with South Africans of Indian ancestry, the Government of the Republic of India will not make it so easy. It is not Indira Gandhi during Amin days anymore. She did not care shit about the Ugandan Indians, it was Britain who save the Indians to its own detriment (Britain is now full of lefty anti British Indians running all around). The situation is different this time. The Hindu nationalist BJP are in charge and will be for a long time.

  270. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Yeah that’s true. Indians dominate black economies very easily.

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  271. @Malla

    Indians are not allowed to own businesses in Saudi Arabia.

    The Arabs are wary and distrustful of Indians.

    The guy who sold the tissues was merely an employee.

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  272. Truth says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Why are you on THIS blog? Everybody is going on and on about Jews and Zionism and you’ve focused on me.

    Hey Dawg, you always wanted to be a celebrity.

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  273. @Malla

    As do Pakistanis (UK black neighborhoods) and Koreans (Los Angeles) and Jews (Previously) and Arabs (Detroit).

    Money being the only language Gujarati speak, there is none of the pretense of making English citizens out of blacks that Brits bring. It is simply “give me your money, Negro”.

    Gujarati are also stereotypical Indians-slimy, rude, haughty, bellowing, skinny with pot bellies, sweaty…and so on.

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  274. @Truth

    I come to this blog to learn from the opinions of others.

  275. Corvinus says:
    @Malla

    “No you are wrong as usual. They created a technologically a far superior society than that was already there.”

    Red herring. The fact remains white pioneers stolem not created. What comes around, goes around, right?

    “And the natives took advantage of that advanced society and still are taking advantage of what was created.”

    Without a doubt, but at the expense of their freedom and natural resources.

    Fair tradeoff. (sarcasm)

  276. Malla says:

    The fact remains white pioneers stolem not created

    Stole technology from Africans? Are your out of your mind?

    but at the expense of their freedom and natural resources.

    Expense of their freedoms? What ganja are you smoking? Europeans banned slavery in Africa. Without Europeans coming in at the right time, all of Africa would have become a source of eunuchs and sex slaves to the Islamic world.

  277. Crimson2 says:
    @Stripes Duncan

    So Obama supposedly incites violence, but the murder rates go down. How stupid do you have to be to believe that?

  278. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Gujarati are also stereotypical Indians-slimy, rude, haughty, bellowing, skinny with pot bellies, sweaty…and so on.

    True, they are quintessential desis. So are Marwais. Strangely there are few Marwaris outside of India compared to Gujrati but in India Marwaris give the Gujjus a run for their money. Gujjus have taken over the country as we speak. Industrial tycoons Ambanis and Adanis are basically the shadow government of the country. Now we have the Modi- Amit Shah Gujarati gang who dominate the BJP government politically. Modi is in love with Jews and Israel. In one instance it seemed like Netanyahu and Modi would even smooch each other. Modi, Satanyahu’s new girl friend. hehehehe.
    Freaking disgusting. I feel like puking.

  279. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    No by a poster named Art Deco.

    LOL. I vaguely remember that name. I don’t believe you have the intelligence to appreciate what constitutes effective debating. Post the link and let’s judge for ourselves.

    Only in your dreams. that is not how exactly it happened. The Communist agents riled up the blacks as Douglas Reed has shown in his books. The Communists riled up the blacks against the Whites not because they cared about blacks but because they wanted the Whites gone. before that blacks were more or less happy with White rule.

    Actually, my dimwitted friend, Africans had been fighting and often defeating European colonial powers for hundreds of years before the advent of communism. (See Warfare in Atlantic Africa by John Thornton and The African Wars by Chris Peers). It wasn’t until the Europeans developed modern weapons in the mid to late 19th century, and made a pact among themselves to keep those weapons out of African hands, that they were able to gain a strong foothold within Africa. Prior to that time Europeans served as vassals to African kings are were confined to coastal enclaves at the kings’ pleasure. But even after Europeans introduced modern weapons, resistance persisted. The Basuto Gun War was one such conflict which Britain lost and sued for peace. There were many others, including the Anglo-Zulu wars, the Anglo-Ashanti wars, the Anglo-Aro war, the first Chimurenga in Zimbabwe, the Adwa war, etc. All of these conflicts pre-date communism.

    I am stunned that you would regurgitate the unsophisticated propaganda slogans of cold war-era European colonialists whereby revolutionary nationalist movements were described as communist inspired with an aim to drawing the United States into the conflict. Brutal dictators throughout the world would adopt the same language, branding all forces in opposition as communist conspiracies.

    When the Indians were revolting blacks were happy with their condition.

    Indians were meek and subservient. The only revolt they participating in was the Bambatha Rebellion. Even then they sided with the British against the Zulu after special pleadings from Gandhi himself. Here again Gandhi demonstrated his unique talent for obsequiously licking the asses of his white masters. But the servile Indians could not be trusted with weapons or command so the British allowed them to act as stretcher bearers and latrine cleaners.

    Indians wanted separation with blacks because blacks had a higher propensity to commit crime, were more violent, and were from a tribal background as against Indians who come from 3000 years of civilization.

    Everybody has a 3000 year old civilization. And Indians are not without their criminal proclivities as anyone who’s ever encountered their call center scammers can attest. Btw, Indians are more tribal than Africans.

    Indians do not even like living with Whites and Chinese, forget blacks by a thousand miles.

    Let me ask you, who likes living among Indians? They’re a dirty, filthy, smelly people. And their ridiculous so-called religion enjoins them to worship all kinds of vermin as sacred and sacrosanct. So living among Indians comes with a real likelyhood of an infestation of rats, cockroaches and other disgusting creatures.

    LOL the whole of Africa isn’t much better. Even though Africa has ten times the land as the Indian subcontinent with the same population and loads of resources.

    There’s a vast desert ocean in Africa called the Sahara. Below the Sahara the rest of the continent is extremely inhospitable to human life. Most of the interior is a vast, elevated plateau cut off from the narrow coastal plain by mountains and escarpments. The coast has few useful harbors, and rapids make most of the rivers unnavigable. Deserts and jungles cover huge areas. The soil is often too poor to support agriculture and droughts and floods make farming precarious. Furthermore, malaria and a host of other endemic diseases are ever-present, affecting people and their livestock.

    Shiny objects aren’t real resources. Africa has a dearth of the critical resources required to sustain life and to flourish, among them location. India has always been in the middle of all the action, has always had a much more livable environment and has always been along corridors of trade, commerce and the exchange of ideas. Yet it remains a reeking shithole of a nation.

    Your stupid braying of docile Indians is proven flat wrong by the fact that Indians were never enslaved in the same way as blacks, because White knew that Indians cannot so easily be enslaved.

    If you seriously believe that indigent, illiterate Indians cannot be enslaved then you’re even dumber than I gave you credit for. In fact Indians were enslaved in South Africa by your beloved white masters.

    INDIAN SLAVES IN SOUTH AFRICA: A little-known aspect of Indian-South African relations by E. S. Reddy

    Soon after Jan van Riebeeck set up a Dutch settlement at the Cape of Good Hope in 1652 to supply provisions to Dutch ships plying to and from India and the the East Indies, people from India were taken to the Cape and sold into slavery to do domestic work for the settlers, as well the dirty and hard work on the farms.

    http://www.sahistory.org.za/archive/indian-slaves-south-africa-little-known-aspect-indian-south-african-relations-e-s-reddy

    Gee, I wonder why on a continent teeming with black Africans the Boers went out of their way to import Indian slaves .Well the obvious answer is that the pliant and submissive Indians were born for servitude. If they tried to enslave a Zulu they’d get an assegai to the heart.

    This is true for both Asian Indians and American Indians. As an American general once said‘The Red Indian resisted and perished, the blackman submitted and survived.’.

    Native Americans were slaves in America, dummy. And they suffered an even more horrific form of slavery in South America under the Conquistadors. Everybody can be enslaved. Everybody has been enslaved. Over a million Europeans were enslaved in North Africa. Many of their owners and overseers were black Muslims (See White Gold by Giles Milton).

    Battle-hardened white POW’s were enslaved in WWII. If it can happen to soldiers, it can happen to anyone.

    What you clowns do not realize is that had the transatlantic slavery not taken place, the Caribbean would now be full of Asian Indians not blacks.

    That would be the same black Caribbeans in Haiti that kicked the asses of the three strongest European armies of the time, conducting the ONLY successful slave revolt in history? Here, let’s take a look at how “weak” those black Caribbeans were:

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  280. Crimson2 says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    The tough and Alpha Norwegians all moved to the Upper Midwest in the 19th century.

    The toughest moved to Montana, which is where my family is from.

  281. Crimson2 says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I love reminding fuckwits like you that your time is up. If you can’t handle it, tough.

  282. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    What I meant was Indians who succeed in the UK or USA or Singapore tend to come from Middle class intellectual mercantile elite background. Slum dweller background people remain poor and crap in these countries. Same with Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. The reason why Bangladeshis and Pakistanis do so much worse in the UK compared to Indians is because most of them Mirpuris (Pakistanis) and Sylletis (Bangladeshis) are peasant slum stock. Middle class background Pakistanis and Bangladeshis do just as well as Indians. But in Africa and Caribbean, it seems any slum dweller rat from India/Pakistan/Bangladesh can go and become a king.
    If we Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis export our Middle classes to the West/Singapore and our slum dwellers to Africa/Caribbean, we will the richest population group on earth.

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  283. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Indians are not allowed to own businesses in Saudi Arabia.

    Not true

    https://www.forbesmiddleeast.com/en/list/top-100-indian-business-owners-in-the-arab-world-2018/

    Top 100 Indian Business Owners In The Arab World 2018, Forbes List

    “Billionaires of Indian origin, based in the Gulf, have a collective net worth of $26.4 billion, according to Forbes’ World’s Billionaires 2018.

    Having made their fortunes these top businessmen are now investing heavily, both in the region as well as in India. Lulu International Group is ramping up its presence in Saudi Arabia and now has 30 stores in the kingdom. The company plans to pump in more funds to the GCC’s largest economy with $136 million earmarked for investment in the next two years. Billionaire B.R. Shetty, who founded both UAE Exchange and NMC Health, is investing millions in education and healthcare within the Middle East and in India through public private partnerships model.”

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  284. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Also it seems Gujaratis have driving the Ultra orthodox Rabbis in Antwerp out of their diamond business and taking over. Even in New York, Indians are taking over, out competing Orthodox Jews. Idiots like Ochwuku does not realize while his rag tag Africans dig holes in the ground to get the diamonds, there are Gujrati Indians doing the wheeling and dealing and making millions of dollars a day of them diamonds in the international market with Jews. Dumb blacks shoot each other over diamond wars, go down dynamite infested mines and poor half naked black African kids are panning leech infested streams while rich Gujarati Indians smoke Cuban cigars, wearing Italian suits and make billion dollar deals with orthodox Jews in London, Antwerp and New York over those same diamonds.

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  285. @Malla

    In my experience (Which is that of a Gora, however) most Indian Muslims are criminal types.

    Because only Brahmin and Gujarati merchants or white-collar type Indians can get through the US immigration system, of course whites will not be mugged by Brahmin kids in Edison, New Jersey.

    This has a backfiring effect, because American whites who go up to Canada have been known to be mugged by Sikhs in Brampton or East Vancouver.

    So you gauge a country by the wealth/caste of the Indians that are admitted. Whatever Brahmin have done in India do diminish the advancement of the general population, I’d rather have them as immigrants than low-caste Bangladeshis whose kids are going to form gangs and sell drugs.

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  286. @Malla

    I know Lulu Hypermarket well through my time in Kuwait and because he was Malayalam Muslim he was able to get Kuwait backing.

    In Dubai-and I ran a business there-you have to have a local partner/sponsor. You cannot simply open an LLC with no local partner. That is impossible. Franchises will have local sponsors in Saudi.

    Of course LULU caters to Keralites and Tamils so Saudi will consent to allow the business to operate on some profit share split.

    But no Indian can just show up with NO SPONSOR or local partner and open a business in the Arab Gulf.

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  287. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Anyways Indians have gone back to Uganda and are again the main pillar of the economy which is recovering.

    A fraction of their original numbers have returned. They played the victim card masterfully in a way that would make the Jewish lobby green with envy. The Ugandans made concessions to them and created an atmosphere conducive to their success. But they’ve learned a very hard lesson and are walking on eggshells there, careful this time not to insult the dignity of their hosts. If they step out of line again the pogrom will be much more intense.

    What filth and squalor? Lagos, a tiny city in India is as clean as Tokyo. Have a look.

    This filth and squalor.

    You would think that people who live like this would not waste precious resources launching useless objects into space with stolen 60 year old technology.

    Very true. Not only third world, even first world governments are vulnerable to this.

    Not really. They do struggle with certain forms of internal corruption. But it’s much harder for outsiders to gain influence or promote certain objectives. The developing world has fewer safeguards and their functionaries are much less disciplined. We have business interests in many of these countries and almost every day we’re solicited by officials who want us to engage in certain practices that are unlawful for a US person.

    It is less vulnerable but vulnerable none the less.

    India is a cesspool of runaway corruption. It is very vulnerable. I know this from personal experience. I have an Indian-American associate whose uncle is a honcho in a certain government ministry. This uncle is hungry wolf with his hand constantly out for graft and under the table payments. If I were to give this guy a million bucks or even less, I could take over that entire ministry from behind the scenes. But I don’t operate that way. Even if I were so inclined, The Foreign Corrupt Practices Act provides a powerful disincentive.

    LMFAO. I would love see some such billionaire try. No really.

    Any person of means can do it. Europeans and Americans do it constantly but surreptitiously. You Indians do it infrequently but loudly. And then you go on to openly brag about it like the morons you are. You are simply overcompensating for your justifiable lack of self-esteem.

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    , @Malla
  288. @Crimson2

    That’s why blacks brains were damaged by lead-poisoning in Flint and other post-industrial cities…the whites fled and there was no longer any sort of economy that could sustain an infrastructure or basic amenities.

    Of course it happened in Haiti when all the whites were killed or fled. It is nothing new.

    Even if every black votes Democrat once the whites are gone the welfare will run out.

    And the world will look like Brazil.

    However, I’m not sure China or Russia will tolerate nuclear weapons in the hands of a veritable Brazil of Mestizo black Mulatto like the favelas.

  289. @Crimson2

    Apologize. You’re British by citizenship, so Flint does not apply.

    But look at Jamaica now compared to when Ian Fleming lived there.

  290. @Malla

    Jewish kids don’t want to run whore motels or sell shove diamonds in the road. They’ve gotten out of those business to become media moguls, lawyers, doctors, publishers etc.

    Gujarati are not going to take over the media or publishing from Jews. They don’t have the verbal dexterity or charm.

    They just developed excellent trading skills from living in the Thar desert where your life depends on buying and selling.

    Having said that, LULU is Muslim Malabari, so there are exceptions.

    • Replies: @Malla
  291. @Okechukwu

    I lived in India and I am white, so let me run it down-:)

    1) Kerala actually is cleaner and safer than Detroit where I am from. I’m a big white guy and not many Nair wanted to rob me but Kochi is quite clean and safe compared to some parts of the States.

    2) In the North, poverty is a result of a bunch of sub-groups who hate one another. Hindus, Muslims, low-caste, high-caste etc. In the South, the Brahmin were kicked out and things improved immediately.

    3) Indians have an odd cerebral makeup-they have high IQ but have the same impulse-control issues as blacks. As a result, their politicians steal. You can generally gauge the IQ of nations by the degree of corruption-Africa has so much that the shit is a joke and India has less and Sicily has less than Indian and Norway has less Sicily.

    4) Much of this is the result of high-birthrates. Brahmin women actually sterilize themselves after one or two children-I know because I have rooted them. Additionally, many Brahmin males are homos or child-molesters. Low-caste Indians on the other hand, have many children.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    , @Malla
  292. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Yeah that’s true. Indians dominate black economies very easily.

    Funny how none of the African Lion economies that are experiencing robust growth have much of an Indian presence. Maybe that’s why they’re experiencing robust growth.

    • Replies: @Malla
  293. Okechukwu says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I appreciate your personal insights. One thing I would dispute though is the notion that Indians have a high IQ. I’ve had extensive dealings with these people and it’s like babysitting toddlers.

    • Replies: @Malla
  294. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Indians were meek and subservient.

    Funny you say that. Asian desi gangs in the UK are beating blacks like a drum. Blacks are all terrified of desis.

    Blacks are terrorized by desi Asian gangs
    Check out 2.00 minutes where all the blacks bitch about Asian gangs
    3:03 Blacks cannot enter Asian areas
    8:56 to 10:40 minutes blacks crying like bitches and asians laughing like lords
    11:34 The black guy made the same mistake that you make, he though asians are passive and now when the asians fought back (tired of black crime and savage behaviour) and now the blacks are complaining like bitches.

    And maybe you should read about our great king Bajirao Peshwa

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baji_Rao_I

    In his military career spanning 20 years, Baji Rao never lost a battle. Docile yeah?

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    , @Truth
  295. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Indians were meek and subservient.

    Indian armies of the Sikhs, marathas, Mughals would have decimated joke African homo ‘armies’ on any damn battlefield. If all subsaharan African ‘armies’ of the 1800s were to land on Indian shores, they would not last a day with Maratha, Sikh, Mughal, Jat armies cutting the black africans up with ease.Would be a non event in Indian history, really.

    Indian armies on the other hand would conquer Africa with ease.

  296. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Funny how none of the African Lion economies that are experiencing robust growth have much of an Indian presence. Maybe that’s why they’re experiencing robust growth.

    Thank the Chinese. Does not change the fact that Indians dominate black economies very easily.

  297. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Did you even watch the video? I saw blacks behaving like civilized human beings while the Pakis behaved like animals.

    I saw 20-something Paki thugs trying to intimidate an old black man who pretty much dismissed them as harmless wannabees.

    I saw a dignified black guy who said he was surrounded by a pack of Pakis but stood his ground, daring them to try something.

    I didn’t see anyone crying whatsoever.

    Hopefully your people won’t destroy this nice country I visit often. It may be time to round them up and ship them back to the Hindu Kush where they can get back to fucking their goats and young boys. They are meant for the civilized world.

    • Replies: @Malla
  298. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Everybody has a 3000 year old civilization.

    Not really but I can understand your complex in this issue. Needless to say the royal structures of the blacks looked like this

    Where the Indians came from royal structures look something like this.

    Only a fool like you would think that there was any parity in civilizational achievements. Indians were a civilized people with 3000 years of civilization unlike the primitive blacks.

    Africans had been fighting and often defeating European colonial powers for hundreds of years before the advent of communism.

    You keep on proving to everybody that you are a low IQ idiot. I am talking about all those modern popular African nationalist movements post WW2. All supported by communist arms and American money.

    It wasn’t until the Europeans developed modern weapons in the mid to late 19th century, and made a pact among themselves to keep those weapons out of African hands, that they were able to gain a strong foothold within Africa. Prior to that time Europeans served as vassals to African kings are were confined to coastal enclaves at the kings’ pleasure.

    Europeans had very little interest in Africa except in the Southern parts. When they decided to show interest they conquered it with ease. There are far more examples of Indian armies defeating European armies than that. And black sub saharan Africans could do anything against Arabs and Muslims. Muslims and Arabs conquered blacks with ease whom they enslaved in droves. There was no Maharaja Maharana Pratap or Shivaji Raje Bhosle in Africa. The blacks fell down and kissed Arab feet. LOL

    Let me ask you, who likes living among Indians?

    Nobody likes living with blacks. When blacks move into a neighborhood, the prices go down.
    Who wants to live with smelly low IQ violent, animistic primitive people?

    There’s a vast desert ocean in Africa called the Sahara. Below the Sahara the rest of the continent is extremely inhospitable to human life. Most of the interior is a vast, elevated plateau cut off from the narrow coastal plain by mountains and escarpments….. Furthermore, malaria and a host of other endemic diseases are ever-present, affecting people and their livestock.

    blah blah blah excuses. Next.

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  299. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Native Americans were slaves in America, dummy…..

    If you seriously believe that indigent, illiterate Indians cannot be enslaved

    None of the non blacks became enslaved so easily as blacks. Indeed the arabic word for slave is ‘abeed’ which is also a word for blacks. native Americans and Whites were enslaved yeah, but they were too proud to be good slaves. So it did not last long and was a lot of trouble if it did. In South Africa, Indians were freed really fast as it was hard to make the proud Indian a slave. Blacks were naturally submissive but even then they did not make profitable slaves because of lazyness, greed and “give me dat” attitude..
    Eustace Mulkins writes

    “Cheap labor was needed, but the Indians refused to become menials, so they were killed or put on reservations. The New Englanders imported negroes, but they proved to be less productive than the cost of their keep, so they were sold to Southern plantation owners, where the climate was more suitable and their owners less demanding. Even so, their importation was soon discontinued as impractical.”
    LOL Blacks could even become profitable slaves. Good for nothing people, really.

    Obviously they would not enslave blacks in South Africa as they knew the land and would escape back to their kraals.
    Indeed blacks were nice docile slaves to Arabs until the 1960s!!! And ti was the evil YT countries of Britain and America who forced the Arabs to stop.

    Rich Arabs Give Their Children Black Slaves As Birthday Gifts

    Blacks are slaves in Yemen as I write, getting auctioned on the cheap. Nice docile slaves, licking their Arab massas. Abeed as they come.

    That would be the same black Caribbeans in Haiti

    One of those freemasonic fake revolutions liek nearly all the revolutions in the Americas including the American revolution, allowed to suceed. Toussaint Louverture was a freemason like George Washington and Simon Bolivar. Do the gematria numerology analysis of Toussaint Louverture to understand what I mean.

  300. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Zimbabwe’s loss of talent has been to the benefit of other African countries. The idiot buffoon Mugabe, in order to hide his incompetence mismanagement of Zimbabwe decided to misdirect the anger of black Zimbabweans towards the talented White farmers bringing misery to his own country. But other African countries have been quick to pick up this White Zimbabwean talent like a kid in a candy store.
    Zambia for one

    This is not colonial farming, dummy. The terms and conditions are radically different and favorable to the government. The farmers do not own the land, they lease it. They can’t sell it, bequeath it or encumber it against financing. They provide capital, seed, animals, equipment and infrastructure. And this isn’t the serfdom of Rhodesia. The workers have rights and the farmer has obligations to his workers.

    These programs are offered to farmers all over the world. It isn’t unique to Africa.

    • Replies: @Malla
  301. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Did you even watch the video?

    Did you ever watch the video? I saw blacks wimping and crying of being beaten like a drum by Asians. The black reporter would obviously try to paint a victim image of blacks. Those blacks are not civilized, civilised only for the cameras. They are all thugs.

    I saw 20-something Paki thugs trying to intimidate an old black man who pretty much dismissed them as harmless wannabees.

    The behaviour of the asians was not something I approve (especially to an elderly man) of but I guess it was in reaction to a typical black behaviour of arrogance. what is with most of you black people, become something in life and become arrogant. Maybe because blacks do not have a history of much achievements, so then when they actually achieve something, they drip of arrogance.

    I saw a dignified black guy who said he was surrounded by a pack of Pakis but stood his ground, daring them to try something.

    Dignified my ass, an arrogant cunt with an agenda. The Asians sensed it behaved they way they did. Respect for elders is part of Asian culture.

    Hopefully your people won’t destroy this nice country I visit often. It may be time to round them up and ship them back to the Hindu Kush where they can get back to fucking their goats and young boys. They are meant for the civilized world.

    LOL LOL LOL. Britain will benefit a million times more if we kick their black asses back to the jungles where they came from. Crimes will reduce and the average IQ will go up.

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  302. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    One thing I would dispute though is the notion that Indians have a high IQ. I’ve had extensive dealings with these people and it’s like babysitting toddlers.

    Classic case of projection. Nearly all Indians who live in black countries joke about blacks being a ‘childish race’. And Indians are not the only ones who have that opinion. Nearly all non blacks.

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  303. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Jewish kids don’t want to run whore motels or sell shove diamonds in the road. They’ve gotten out of those business to become media moguls, lawyers, doctors, publishers etc.

    Jews were BIG in the business until very recently and still are up to an extent. Jews became media moguls nearly a century back. The 90% diamond business is controlled by only 3 communities in the world – Ultra Orthodox Jews, Gujarati Indians and Hakka Cantonese Chinese. All mercantile blood sucking communities.

  304. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    I know that, you low IQ clown. But according to you they are toilet cleaners who never farmed. Yet the African countries want them. Your bullshit gassings has been proven wrong as usual . Not very hard to do.

    And most farm workers in Rhodesia were treated as well as they will be treated i.e. well. There was no serfdom in Rhodesia.

  305. Bucky says:
    @Malla

    With all due respect, what is your take on the rapes going on in India? Some of the stories are really horrific, like the gang of men who raped a random woman and killed her. Or the tech support scams?

    It is curious how in Britain, which doesn’t have a history of slavery, black criminality is at similar levels, per capital, as America. America blacks are about 7x more likely to be doing serious crimes like murder or rape. Britain’s blacks are similar.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  306. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    They played the victim card masterfully

    What card? They were victims. All their wealth was looted by envious black savages. Uganda is not forgiven yet. It has billions of dollars of compensation to pay to the Indians and with time we will have to work on getting our rightful money back. We have forgiven but not forgotten.

    But they’ve learned a very hard lesson and are walking on eggshells there, careful this time not to insult the dignity of their hosts. If they step out of line again the pogrom will be much more intense.

    This time India will not stand quietly by. This is not Indira Gandhi rule.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-36132151

    About 50,000 Asians were forced to leave the country in 1972, on the orders of former military ruler Idi Amin, who accused them of “milking Uganda’s money”.
    At the time, they owned 90% of the country’s businesses and accounted for 90% of Ugandan tax revenues.
    Since their return to the country in the 1980s and 1990s, Asians from the Indian subcontinent have once again become a pillar of the country’s economy.

    In the years which followed, Uganda’s economy slumped.
    But when President Yoweri Museveni, who recently won a fifth term in office, seized power in 1986, he encouraged the exiles to return.
    Now, despite making up less than 1% of the population, they are estimated to contribute up to 65% of Uganda’s tax revenues. One of those who came back is today the country’s richest man, Sudhir Ruperalia, worth an estimated $800m.

    But it’s much harder for outsiders to gain influence or promote certain objectives.

    Check out the the Indian tycoon Adani’s influence over the Australian government.

    India is a cesspool of runaway corruption.

    Africa is way worse.

    Any person of means can do it.

    I would like to see an African tycoon do it. Not gonna happen.

    You would think that people who live like this would not waste precious resources launching useless objects into space with stolen 60 year old technology.

    At least we can, you losers cannot. Useless objects? Low IQ moron as usual. You need satellites for a lot of things.

  307. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    they have high IQ but have the same impulse-control issues as blacks

    Isn’t that the case with all brown peoples? Higher IQs than blacks but impulse control issues as blacks?

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  308. Malla says:
    @Bucky

    Well what can I say. Men are raping women. Men are desperate for sex and they sometimes rape women unfortunately. That is what is going on. Besides India has a skewed gender ratio. Too many men for women. It is a sausage fest. Even though China has the same problem, Chinese men have much better impulse control in this respect. Even the more tropical South East Asians have more impulse control than South Asians.
    A lot of the rape has to do with village people and slum dwellers not used to attractive women wearing jeans and modern clothing raping middle class women. Or raping White or East Asian women tourists because on average they are more attractive. Even women from the North East who are more mongoloid, face rape as they are more attractive than the mainlander Indians on average.
    So you have this case of excess of men and lower class women and village women on being more ugly on average then middle class city dwelling Indians (villagers from the northern states can be very attractive though), lower class/ village/slum dwelling men seeing more attractive middle class city girls wearing more modern cloths and well, they cannot control themselves.
    In villages, rapes are committed sometimes to insult another caste members or clans as well as sexual gratification. Rape reduce the honour of a clan and can lead to revenge attacks. Mostly it is upper caste men rapping lower caste men but there have been reverse cases too. Upper caste women are on average more attractive than lower caste women on average but there are exception attractive lower castes communities like the OBCs (Other Backward Castes) who are earlier upper caste members demoted to lower caste due to some reason or never became part of caste system to begin with. The real lower castes are the SCs (Schedule Castes) who are dark and ugly. their women are raped by upper caste men only to show their dominance and to keep the SCs in their place. Or raping the women of some rival clan over some vendetta. Or just sexual gratification seeking on seeing a woman in a vulnerable situation. many reasons…..

    Even some Middle class guys can rape but the probability is lower (maybe higher than Whites, but cannot say for sure) and in the middle classes there are a lot of cases of ‘date rape’ where the woman goes willingly for a night stand but because of fear of reputation puts false charges on the guy. Middle class westernized youth face similar problems as youths in the west. Not so for the lower classes and villagers.

    It is curious how in Britain, which doesn’t have a history of slavery, black criminality is at similar levels, per capital, as America. America blacks are about 7x more likely to be doing serious crimes like murder or rape. Britain’s blacks are similar.

    What does slavery has to do with anything? This is partly a genetic tendency. This does not mean each and every black person is a criminal and that no Whites are criminal. There are many civilized black people. But in general this is a genetic tendency among blacks for high propensity towards crime including rape and has nothing to do with slavery.
    Also blacks in both the countries have faced major cultural destruction via welfare, single mothers and rap culture making things even worse. It is a rejection of traditional values which makes things worse than it would be.
    Poor Whites have seen similar cultural destruction due to media influence (MK Ultra!!!) and feminism but not as bad as blacks.

  309. Malla says:
    @Bucky

    Or the tech support scams?

    Tech support scams? Well in India scamming and cheating is common. And the police is corrupt and can be bought off. They are just taking the scamming and cheatin prevalent in a low trust society across the telephone to English speaking Whites who are from more high trust societies. Simple as that. And most do not have more remorse.
    These scammers will scam non Whites too, even Indians living in the west. They think Westerners are all rich millionaires and do not really know about life in the West. Partially it has also to do with hatred and jealousy of White people. We are kind off taught from childhood to hate White people. Why? This is a long story involving global Jewish elites and Hindu fundamentalists and communism and our fake ‘independence struggle’ and propaganda in education and media. Partially it is jealousy.

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  310. @Den Lille Abe

    More Afrikaners are of French and German ancestry than Dutch.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  311. Truth says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Went I left Kuwait 2 years ago they were moving toward unsponsored businesses; and a whole lot of other radical changes, such as electricity bills.

  312. Truth says:
    @Malla

    Those little pussies are supposed to be scaring someone?

    • Replies: @Malla
  313. @Malla

    IQ will only take you so far if you are impulsive or unable to regulate your reptile brain. Swedes can do this a bit better than Sicilians and Sicilians can do this a bit better than North Indians…and so on.

    Many Northern Europeans are dumb as posts. But if you plant them in a bureaucracy they will simply act like automatons. Italians and Jews in the US for example, have always made New Jersey more corrupt than Kansas. South Miami, run by white Cubans from Spain, is more corrupt than the Anglo-Celtics of Georgia.

    If you have a society of white Nordics who don’t cheat on their taxes or look for ways to pull a scam or cut corners, generally you have more social stability.

    As Derbyshire noted, the African refugees do not want to hang around Malta or Greece. They want to get to Germany or UK.

    This would be the reason.

    • Replies: @Malla
  314. @corstopitum

    Depends on the specific town. People from Gansbaii or the interior are 100% Dutch from the old founding stock.

  315. @Malla

    I don’t think Dravidian grasp Jews as being separate to other whites. White is white. They don’t even think of whites as being anything other than British.

    Its possible that educated Baniya types know the difference and of course Indian Muslim have political reasons, but to common-or-garden Hindus white is white.

    Parsi and Brahmin are under no illusion that life is splendid in a London or New Jersey rundown neighborhood. None of them want to really immigrate to Edison. They are happy in Jo-Jo or the nicer parts of Andheri.

    • Replies: @Malla
  316. @Malla

    Most Brahmin are so effete and homo that I cannot really believe that they rape women. They don’t seem to have the physical aggression for it.

    Punjabi are the product of rape, historically-speaking. Aryans raped the original inhabitants, then Iranians raped them, then Scythian invaders raped them…then the homosexual Greeks showed up and sodomized the males which introduced the joys of anal man-on-man rape…then the Afghans showed up and raped everyone down to the lowliest goat…

    Being the descendants of looters and rapists, one almost wonders if rape is the Punjabi genome.

    Goa has so many skank female Western druggies lying around topless on Anjuna that it is a miracle that MORE are not raped. And it is not just Indians who rape them, but also Western tourists who go to India specifically to rape Norwegian coke whores and then simply blow Goa 2 days later because the Tourist Police are a joke.

    • Replies: @Malla
  317. @Malla

    KETTLE CALLS TEAPOT BLACK…

    Go down to Vasco beach and you will see white men “flogging the dog” in the water standing waist-deep watching girls and young women defecate. I’ve seen this. At least Indian males are not doing that.

    Of course white males in Goa fuel prostitution and you’d surprised how many of the broads doing it are married.

    Rape has always been huge in Goa. There are white rapists from as far-flung as the US who fly to Goa in tourist season knowing that many Norwegian or English women will be half-nude on the beach. Most of the white women will not report the rape, unless it is violent, and most of the white rapists will just do a “Bill Cosby” and offer some sleeping pill to some woman who is bouncing off the walls on cocaine or Ecstasy. She won’t report the rape to the Tourism Police, as they are notoriously lax and incompetent.

    NB Goa also gets professional white criminals who fly there once a year to burglarize other Westerners. One famous burglar that everyone knew (But could not prove) was a Portuguese heroin addict of about 50 named “Carlos” who’d been coming to Goa since the 70′s to rob other Westerners (I’m showing my age because this was in the late 90′s when I was young and partying in Goa).

    • Replies: @Malla
  318. Wally says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Laughable. That’s only in comparison to itself.

    The WB lends them some money and bingo! It’s then called “economic growth”.

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  319. Wally says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Maybe the aren’t nomads now, but they certainly were. Get your facts right.

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  320. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Wow look at what Feminism has done to society. His mom spread her legs for a football star without getting married. That fact screws up a kid’s mind. They should have made it illegal to give welfare to women who have kids outside wedlock.
    Don’t the bloods and crips have chapters in London. Maybe the black midland lads should contact them in their fight against the Asians.

  321. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Yes true. What I was driving at is that mixed brown Caucasians like Middle Easterners, Indian subcontinentals etc… and mixed brown Mongoloids like South East Asians etc… tend to combine many traits of ice peoples and sun peoples. In average IQ, impulse control, looks , skin colour etc. brown folk tend to fall in between Northern Europeans/North East Asian on one hand and African/Australian/Papuan blacks on the other. Southern Italians, Greeks, Armenians fall in between Northern Euros and Middle Easterners and Somalis fall in between Sub Saharan Africans and Middle Easterners. Iranians are more European like compared to South Asians. Vietnamese are more similar to North East Asians compared to Indonesians. These traits vary, bit by bit progressively, as one moves south or north with a few exceptions here and there.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  322. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    South Asia (with the exception of Bhutan) is a place where Jewish like elites rule over a Gypsy like majority population. The whole thing is a scamfest.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  323. Malla says:
    @jacques sheete

    Very interesting. I remember a old Jewish lady in Britain telling me ‘These English are Germans after all’. I wonder what the British soldiers, sailers and airmen would have felt fighting their brothers, the Germans for the Satanic World Jewry.
    It is strange that even in a country like Britain where for decades Jews have been safe and totally accepted, a nation who fought against Germany and Italy for Jewry, a country which they have destroyed by multi racialism and financial usury looting, a country they use as a base and front to loot third world nations (and then hide behind the British flag blaming the average Brits for the loot), they had this sense of the British being the other and a threat.
    This war in between Aryans and Jews is ancient and even spiritual. We non-White brown blacks, are just tools used by Jews against Whites, only for us to later live under their direct dictatorship.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  324. @Wally

    The Khoi weren’t and aren’t nomads; nomadism is marked by consistent movement; the Khoi have been where they are for at least 150,000 years. They moved there once, sure, but your ancestors presumably moved here at one point from Europe. Were your ancestors nomads?

    • Replies: @Wally
  325. @Malla

    Jewish-like elites-

    To white guy, South and North India are different countries. If they were different countries, South India might be like Singapore.

    Of course Tamil Indians were foolish to meddle in the affairs of Ceylon, another country.

    But that was a British problem to begin with because they brought the Tamils to Ceylon in the first place.

    • Replies: @Malla
  326. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Most Brahmin are so effete and homo that I cannot really believe that they rape women.

    Not always true. Many Brahmins are big and well built, some as big as Nordics , tho a lot of them are weak pussyboy, Jewish yeshiva student like. Many Brahmins have been fierce warriors like the Peshwas who extended the Maratha Empire decimating the huge Mughal Empire. Also the Brahmani Sultans who attacked Vijaynagar Empire were Brahmin converts to Islam.
    Anyways rape of lower caste women by upper caste men in backward Indian villages are quite common but the upper caste men could be Thakurs, Kshatriyas etc… may not be Brahmins compulsorily.

    Punjabi are the product of rape, historically-speaking. Aryans raped the original inhabitants, then Iranians raped them, then Scythian invaders raped them…

    All those people came all the way into the interior of India, not only Punjab. Scythians ruled all the way to Gwalior which is middle India. Nearly all Indians have some Aryan ancestry.

    Being the descendants of looters and rapists, one almost wonders if rape is the Punjabi genome.

    Actually a woman is far more likely to be raped by a bhaiya villager from UP or Bihar than a Punjabi. A lot of rape happens in South India too but not to that extent as the North. In the famous ‘Nirbhaya’ case, where a woman was raped and killed in a bus, the rapists were all tiny, dark, ugly UP-Biharis types. Some years back a Swiss woman was raped in the state of Madya Pradesh (central India) by the same dark, weak, ugly illiterate villager types, not tall, fair Punjabis.

    Come to think about it a lot of ethnic groups are a products of rape. Arabs and Persians got raped by Mongols, Persians themselves got raped by Arabs, Jews repeatedly got raped by Cossacks, later the Arabs got raped by Turks, Black Saharan North Africans got raped by Arabs, Sicilians got raped by Arabs and later by the Normans, Southern Europe got raped by Germanics after the fall of Rome, Pygmies throughout Africa got mass raped by black Bantus, Xhosas and other blacks in South Africa got raped by Zulus etc …..Lot of rapist genes floating around.

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  327. @Malla

    Actually, Jews could not make a go of it in India. I’m not talking about some St Thomas Christians who MIGHT be Jews that intermarried with Brahmin 1500 years ago in Kerala.

    I’m talking about the actual Jewish families from Iraq in Mumbai or Calcutta. None of them actually were able to make a living and left when Israel was founded.

    They did not fare as well as the Parsi, for example.

    And as you noted, the Gujarati have begun to nip at the heels of Jews.

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  328. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Yeah I know, Goa attracts the AntiFa, hippie, lefty, commie type White wierdos. And many of these lefty type Whites are pretty weird, with weird sexual habits and fantasies. Goa began as hippie commune. Also you get the Israeli, ex IDF members involved with some of the worst behaviour of all. After shooting some Palestinian kid, they come to Goa to get involved in orgies, rape, take drugs, deal in drugs, start mafias, prostitute. Cocaine, hash and ecstasy flowing all around
    Been to Goa a lot during my graduation days. My cousin was studying at the Goa Institute of Management and I would go often. And one of the Royal Prince of Belgaum (near Goa) was a school friend of mine. And since my mom worked for the RBI (Reserve Bank of India, the Indian version of the Fed),I would get posh government villas for cheap with servants and like. Very handy for getting posh Mumbai babes from Titos club at Baga beach back.

  329. @Malla

    How many Goa Indians want to move to Portugal? Compared to Germany or UK?

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  330. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I don’t think Dravidian grasp Jews as being separate to other whites. White is white. They don’t even think of whites as being anything other than British.

    No I meant Jews masquerading as British played a big part in initiating the mass Indian ‘Independence Struggle’ and anti White hatred. Like Viceroy Issac Rufus, Edwin Montagu, Secretary of State of India, high commisioner William Meyer.
    As well as the kabbalist Theosophical society.
    There is a theory that as Jews filled up the ranks of British India, Indians lost respect for the British. Indians respected the Nordic British because of their superior mental and physical abilities as well as moral superiority. The trick of British rule in India was sending some of the best Brits (taking the Imperial Administration Service exams) to India and Indians having a sharp eye for the quality of a man, respected them. Thus a tiny number of British could rule such a huge nation with such a huge population. All that collapsed after Edwin Montagu’s tenure.
    Also there was this warlike Arab Sheikh in Algeria who complained to a French general of something of the like ‘You French we respect as you have conquered us but Jews and businessmen we do not respect’. I do not remember the exact quote. The Algerian FLN ‘revolution against French rule’ was fake too, all supported by banking elites and commies.

    Parsi and Brahmin are under no illusion that life is splendid in a London or New Jersey rundown neighborhood. None of them want to really immigrate to Edison. They are happy in Jo-Jo or the nicer parts of Andheri.

    South Indian Brahmans emigrate in droves to the West as they face massive reverse discrimination under the quota system (Indian version of affirmative action) in South Indian states. Indeed the two major parties in Tamil nadu, AIDMK and DMK are all based on anti-Brahmanism. In the South, Brahmins were too tiny an elite minority unlike in UP where they make a significant population.

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  331. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    To white guy, South and North India are different countries. If they were different countries, South India might be like Singapore.

    SINGAPORE!!!! Very doubtful. I am sure a South Indian guy told you that. Yeah South India is better than the North in many respects but not Singapore level different. Maybe a Thailand at the very best. The Sri Lankans are even better in many respects have have a higher per capita income than India, nearly double but not even Thailand level yet.

    But that was a British problem to begin with because they brought the Tamils to Ceylon in the first place.

    Yeah most Tamils were taken by the British to Ceylon, but even before the British Empire many centuries back, Northern Sri Lanka was colonized by Tamil Kings. So there was a small Tamil presence before the Portuguese, Dutch and British Empires came about.
    There is also a Hindu Tamil vs Sinhalese Buddhist angle in this.

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  332. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    None of them actually were able to make a living and left when Israel was founded.

    Yes, many of them left after the British left for Israel or the West. The Jewish community of Kerala and Maharashtra was very small to begin with. There are also Jews in Mizoram, in the North East. There were Jews in the British Empire administration and there most probably, has been Jewish infiltration into India since ancient times. I remember a speech by Rabbi Schneerson, the ‘rebbe’ of Chabad Lubavitch about how Jews knew about the Americas all along from ancient times before Columbus, which is most probably true.
    And then he mentions the ancient Jews of Middle East and India!!! As in the other place outside the Middle East where Jews lived in large numbers was India. Normally you would expect Middle East and Europe as these are two areas where Jews lived in medieval times.
    There is a theory that the Jews are related to the Phoenicians and hence Carthage. In the ancient Rig Veda, the oldest book written in India, maybe 1500 BC there is a mention of a people known as Pani, merchant people who moved in caravans. Our ancient sages hated them and cursed them as evil people. There are theories that these ‘Pani’ were Phoenicians, merchants who traveled the world in ships. And guess what was the war in between the Romans and Carthagians called? Punic Wars. Pani-Punic.
    I don’t know but it is possible Jews have been in India from ancient times. After all Iraq (of Babylon, Sumeria) is not that far from the Indus valley where the earliest civilization rose in Indian subcontinent.

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    , @Jeff Stryker
  333. @Wally

    Measurements of economic growth tend to be charted against the previous years. It wouldn’t make much sense to compare countries except in rates of growth, which is what the list I posted does.

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  334. Malla says:
    @Malla

    If you want to know more about this
    From

    https://www.speakingtree.in/blog/vedic-phoenicians-history-s-mystery

    Misers and Robbers

    Panis or Phoenicians were very bad people according to the Rig Veda(1-33-3; 5-34-7; AV 20-128-4; VS 3-1). Panis were

    1)Robbers or thieves who stole the cows of Vedic Hindus.

    2)They were very greedy and rich.

    3)They accumulated wealth.

    4)They were miserly merchants (RV 1-124-10; 4-51-3; 8-45-14).

    5)They were called Dasyus RV 7-6-3 (Thieves)

    6)In some places they were called Dasas (RV 5-34-5; AV 5-11-6).

    7)They don’t worship Gods.

    8)They don’t do Fire Sacrifice.

    9)They never give Dakshinas (fees) to the Vedic priests.

    10)They were called wolves (RV 6-51-14)

    11)They were grathin (nobody knew the meaning)

    12)In some passages the Panis are shown as mythological figures, demons who withhold the cows and waters of heaven and to whom Sarama (dog) goes on a mission from Indra (RV 10-108)

    (Story of Indra’s ambassador Sarama, the dog, has spread up to Greece and Iran, who was called Hermes.)

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  335. Malla says:
    @Malla

    If the above is true, it looks like the Aryan-Jewish rivalry did not merely start with Hitler and the Third Reich but is at least 3500 years old. LOL

  336. @Malla

    Punjabi Brahmin are big guys but most of them use cerebral tactics as oppose to brute force.

  337. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Can’t say. Life in Portugal is better than India and life in Germany/Britain is better than Portugal, unless you want a lot of sun. It seems some Goanese (even non Catholics) who have documents showing grandfathers being in the Portuguese empire can apply of Portuguese citizenship. And many Goanese use this route to end up in Germany or Britain (I do not know the rules now after Brexit).

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  338. @Malla

    No, Judea was already around when Lebanon/Syria was known as Phoenicia.

    The early seafarers to India were Yemeni and Omani sailors, not Lebanese.

    Oman in particular, has had a long history with India and once used the Indian rupee as a currency.

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    , @Malla
  339. @Malla

    Few of them hang around Portugal very long. Everyone wants to end up in the Nordic satellite from UK to Finland.

  340. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Looks like there might have been some relationships in between Jews and Phoenicians.

    http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2013/01/homer-phoenicians-and-jews.html

    Homer, the Phoenicians and the Jews

    It looks like the ancient Greeks and Romans hated the Phoenicians too and described them as as greedy untrustworthy pigs similar to the description of the Phoenicians (Panis) by the ancient sages of the Vedic Rig Veda. What is with Aryans from Vedic India to Greece and Rome and their distaste for these Phoenician merchants?

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  341. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Oman in particular, has had a long history with India and once used the Indian rupee as a currency

    The use of our currency was because of the British Empire as many Gulf states became protectorate of Britain. The Indian Rupee was currency in Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and Oman until the 1960s. This was from the British Raj days.

  342. @Malla

    The Rig Vedas were written centuries before the Phoenicians, who emerged as a seafaring power in Roman times.

    There is no evidence-apart from some obscure guy who wrote something on a blog, which is not vetted print documentation-that the Phoenicians ever reached India by sea. They operated in the Mediterranean with some forays into the Atlantic. That is the opposite direction.

    Greeks may have come across Aryans but by then they were absorbed into the Indian population-Aryans are particularly mysterious and we have no notion why they settled India or what part of Russia/Eastern Europe they were from.

  343. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Not really but I can understand your complex in this issue. Needless to say the royal structures of the blacks looked like this

    You’re an uneducated buffoon. Everyone has a civilization. loincloth wearing Andes Indians have a civilization.

    Only a fool like you would think that there was any parity in civilizational achievements. Indians were a civilized people with 3000 years of civilization unlike the primitive blacks.

    The Indians who drop their pants anywhere and everywhere and shit on the streets? The Indians who rape anything that moves? I don’t think so.

    You keep on proving to everybody that you are a low IQ idiot. I am talking about all those modern popular African nationalist movements post WW2. All supported by communist arms and American money.

    No one cares what you think you were talking about. We can only respond to what you actually say. To wit, you indicated that communism was the sole driving force behind African liberation movements. My response to you was that Africans had been engaging in liberation struggles against Europeans for hundreds of years before Karl Marx was even born.

    Europeans had very little interest in Africa except in the Southern parts.

    Wrong. They were very interested from the Age of Discovery onward but a combination of factors kept them at bay. Most importantly, African military resistance. Prior to the introduction of machine guns, repeating rifles, artillery and other advanced weapons European and African military structures were at relative parity. Many African kingdoms indeed were more advanced, better organized and stronger than Europeans in the period of the 15th to 18th centuries. European colonization in the late 19th century, serendipitously for them, coincided with the decline of some very powerful African kingdoms.

    There are far more examples of Indian armies defeating European armies than that.

    You have a vivid imagination.

    And black sub saharan Africans could do anything against Arabs and Muslims. Muslims and Arabs conquered blacks with ease whom they enslaved in droves.

    Arabs and Muslims had a much easier time in Europe. They raided Europe with ease and with impunity, taking away over a million white slaves. The men they worked to death, the women they assigned to harems.

    In Africa, the situation was much more complex. There they worked with allies and kingdoms to actually trade and barter for slaves. It wasn’t a conquest as such. Some Africans did take up Islam and Arabization voluntarily. Ironically, the black slaves would later revolt in the Zanj Rebellion and nearly conquered the entire Muslim world.

    There was no Maharaja Maharana Pratap or Shivaji Raje Bhosle in Africa. The blacks fell down and kissed Arab feet. LOL

    In the annals of human history, the British conquest of India ranks as the easiest conquest ever recorded. The Brits literally conquered that vast sub-continent with its vast population with just a handful of soldiers and technocrats.

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    , @Malla
  344. @FromSA

    Andrei you are correct about the poor boers. They could simply work for the ones with means.

    This too, albeit I am sure that if resettled they will eventually simply branch out to other industries. Language, of course, being a key in this case.

  345. Okechukwu says: • Website
    @Malla

    Isn’t that the case with all brown peoples? Higher IQs than blacks but impulse control issues as blacks?

    Indian IQ is 82, dummy. Black American IQ is 91. Sierra Leone IQ is 91. Nigerian IQ is 84.

    https://iq-research.info/en/average-iq-by-country

    I think they’re rating India too high based on my experience. But I’ll go with it.

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  346. Wally says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Except your link was very misleading. Now see The World Factbook.

    COUNTRY COMPARISON :: GDP (PURCHASING POWER PARITY):

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html

    Ethiopia is ranked 65th.

    That’s 65th.

    As to rather Ethiopia is experiencing growth, we need to ask, ‘If so, then who is doing the investing? Africans? Or perhaps Indians?

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  347. Wally says:
    @Andrew E. Mathis

    Wow!

    So the Khoi are Europeans? LOL

    Their nomadic ways ceased in the 20th century, not “150,000 years” ago. LOL

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  348. @Wally

    They were never nomadic. Your protestations notwithstanding, you are wrong.

  349. @Wally

    GDP isn’t economic growth. It’s size of economic. But you’re actually making my case for me: the size of Ethiopia’s economy is in the top third and they still topped growth, which means its high growth rate can’t be attributed to it starting out small.

  350. Obama Ignores Genocide In South Africa

    That may be so, but unless I missed something Obama is no longer POTUS. Is Trump, the current POTUS, doing anything about this alleged genocide? If not, hold his feet to the flames and quit yammering about the Kenyan collectivist ex-prez like what he does or says now as a private citizen has any impact on policy. Those on the right who can’t stop babbling in outraged tones about skin color and race are SJW-level obsessed with this stuff and just as prone to unintentional self-parody.

  351. republic says:
    @FromSA

    The late great white nationalist, Dr. William Luther Pierce said this in 1998 about South Africa

    https://nationalvanguard.org/2015/12/the-lesson-of-south-africa/

    also on utube

  352. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Everyone has a civilization.

    Not true but if this belief gives you solace, you can have it.

    The Indians who drop their pants anywhere and everywhere and shit on the streets? The Indians who rape anything that moves? I don’t think so.

    My My , you are writing like a Victorian Englishman. But it does not change the fact that India has 3000 years of civilization, writing, philosophy, poetry……..

    To wit, you indicated that communism was the sole driving force behind African liberation movements. My response to you was that Africans had been engaging in liberation struggles against Europeans for hundreds of years before Karl Marx was even born.

    I stand behind what I write. Yes there was anti European uprisings but overall they all failed. The so called modern ‘liberation movements’ only worked with Communist help as well as support from the elites of Washington and New York. Most of the colonial empires as well as Rhodesia and South Africa were sabotaged from inside.

    Wrong. They were very interested from the Age of Discovery onward but a combination of factors kept them at bay.

    Not true you little imbecile.
    What were the great European trading companies called? British East India company, French East India Company, Dutch East India Company, all formed during the 1600s.
    After the fall of Christian Constantinople to the Islamic Turks, the Europeans wanted to have a direct trade route to the Indies which meant Indian subcontinent and South East Asia so that they could defeat the Islamic-Venetian monopoly on the spice trade. Africa just fell in the way as before the Suez canal, the only way to reach these places from Europe was by circumnavigating Africa, hence the southern tip of Africa is called ‘The Cape of Good Hope’. It was India and Asia they wanted to come to. Africa just fell on the way. On the other hand, on their search for the Indies when the Europeans came across the Americas, in their mistaken belief that they had found the Indies, named the native America ‘Indians’, Not Africans. hence Cowboy and Indians. Where does the Indies in the West Indies comes from, you idiot?
    Africa was the DARK CONTINENT. When the Europeans really got interested in Africa, much later in the late 1800s, they conquered it like cake walk.
    Before this, the Islamic Middle East made a lot of money from the European – Asian trade. The Middle East and Central Asia are littered with medieval caravan stops built for this trade. Europeans used their superior naval skills and directly traded with South/South East/East Asia and thus cut out the Arab/Turkish middlemen and this led to the impoverishment of the Islamic world soon later.

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  353. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    You have a vivid imagination.

    Yes but I am talking about facts here. It their battles against the Mughals, Marathas, Tipoo Sultan, Sikhs etc… there have been many instances when Indian armies defeated European Armies. Most African armies would not have survived a single day in India.

    Arabs and Muslims had a much easier time in Europe.

    Not true at all. The Arabs had the easiest time in black Africa. The Islamic conquest of Iberia was because of internal sabotage by Jews. Europeans fought like lions and made the Muslims bleed for every inch of their advance. May it be in Serbia, or in Tours where Charles Martel the Frank crushed many a Saracen skull with his hammer or be it Jan Sobeiski, the Polish king who along with the Germans, destroyed a massive Turkish army. These are just a few examples. Not only did the Europeans make the Muslims bleed for every inch, they took the war to the Middle East itself. Later European French and British conquered North Africa to put an end to Barbary piracy and the European Russians conquered huge territories which had belonged to the Ottoman Empire under the reign of Tzarina Catherine the great.

  354. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    In Africa, the situation was much more complex.

    LOL LOL LOL Basically it meant, black Africans fell at the feet of their Muslim massas and surendered as slaves. The Arabic word for slave is ‘abeed’, same as the arabic word of blacks. Think about that for a moment. Against the Europeans we see some black African military successes like the Zulus and Ashanti for example. But against the Muslims from the North we hardly see any resistance, just submission. The Muslims had a field’s day enslaving droves of blacks to become eunuchs and sex slaves of their Islamic overlords. India has Maharana Pratap, Shivaji Raje, Peshwa Bajirao, King Krishna Deva Raya and Prithviraj Chauhan to name few who valiantly fought Islamic armies making them bleed. Europe gives us Charles Martel, Jan Sobeiski, Miloš Obilić, George Castriot “Skanderbeg”, Richard the Lionheart to name a few, all of them fought Islamic armies and made them bleed. Black Africans gave us …….(cricket noises).Black Africans just prostrated and became slaves without a fight.
    The Sudan was a Christian country once and it became Muslim with ease.

    Blacks are still slaves in Yemen EVEN TODAY.

    At 10:35 to 14:08 minutes, the slave says he belongs to his master.
    At 21:40 we see black slaves of their Muslim massas.
    We learn that black slaves are seen as cattle, when they marry there is no ceremony, they are rightful properties of their massas.
    Check out the interview with the slave owner at 29:40 minutes.

    Luckily for blacks, the Europeans moved in or the Muslims were moving relentlessly doew and Africa would have ended as one big slave Disney teme park to the Islamic world, source of female sex slaves and enouchs. Hell many black slaves were brought to the Indian subcontinent too. In India and Sri Lanka, they live as lower outcastes today. In pakistan they live near karachi port.

    Europeans like the British Pasha Gordon of Khartoum gave up their lives for ending slavery in Africa.

    In the annals of human history, the British conquest of India ranks as the easiest conquest

    Not true , the easiest would be the European conquest of Australia followed by the Islamic conquest of black Africans……

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    , @Okechukwu
  355. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    I stand behind what I write. Yes there was anti European uprisings but overall they all failed. The so called modern ‘liberation movements’ only worked with Communist help as well as support from the elites of Washington and New York.

    The Africans resisted like they always had, just with better weapons. Just one AK-47 can take out 20 colonialists. It had nothing to do with communism, birdbrain. And the so-called elites were on the side of the colonial regimes. Up until his removal from the list in 2008. Nelson Mandela was a specially designated terrorist as per US government. Does that sound like a government in support of African resistance movements?

    Most of the colonial empires as well as Rhodesia and South Africa were sabotaged from inside.

    Otherwise known as war, dummy. War includes sabotage operations.

    Africa was the DARK CONTINENT. When the Europeans really got interested in Africa, much later in the late 1800s, they conquered it like cake walk.

    Which just happened to coincidentally coincide with the invention of the very lethal weapons that are still used today, eh genius? Quite a coincidence! Jesus, you’re an idiot.

    Once again, the African kingdoms and empires were too strong to colonize until the late 19th century when newer, more lethal weapons were brought online by the industrial revolution in Europe. Africa had great and powerful empires, each of which could field thousands of disciplined troops. This at a time when Europe was mired in the dark ages ignorance, when it was essentially a balkanized collection of fiefdoms, warring nobles and antagonistic city states. In fact these African empires were strong enough to colonize Europe if they had the means to get there.

    Why do you think the Europeans paid for slaves? Because they couldn’t take them by force. If Africa was such a walkover, why couldn’t the Europeans simply walk in and take what they wanted? Initially the Portuguese tried to take slaves by force and were roundly defeated.

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    , @bucky
  356. Malla says:
    @Malla

    The video for the last post

    At 10:35 to 14:08 minutes, the slave says he belongs to his master. Docile and subservient.
    At 21:40 we see black slaves of their Muslim massas. Docile and subservient.
    We learn that black slaves are seen as cattle, when they marry there is no ceremony, they are rightful properties of their massas.
    Check out the interview with the slave owner at 29:40 minutes.

  357. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Blacks are still slaves in Yemen EVEN TODAY.

    Man, you’re probably the most incompetent debater I’ve ever faced.

    India Has the Most People Living in Modern Slavery

    https://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2016/06/02/india-has-the-most-people-living-in-modern-slavery/

    Modern day slaves: How Indian Migrant Workers’ rights are violated in the Gulf

    https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/modern-day-slaves-how-indian-migrant-workers-rights-are-violated-gulf-72179

    DUBAI: A Skyline Built by Slaves

    http://www.minyanville.com/mvpremium/2011/05/27/dubai-a-skyline-built-by/

    Indian Engineer Sold As A ‘Slave’ In Saudi Arabia

    https://www.carbonated.tv/news/automobile-engineer-sold-slave-saudi-arabia

    Indian brick workers treated ‘worse than slaves’: NGO

    http://www.arabnews.com/node/1164226/world

    Kingdom of slaves: Indian workers in Saudi Arabia lift the lid on the horrors faced by expats

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2387094/Kingdom-slaves-Indian-workers-Saudi-Arabia-lift-lid-horrors-faced-expats.html

    Doomed in the desert: How Indian women become modern day slaves in the Gulf

    https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/doomed-desert-how-indian-women-become-modern-day-slaves-gulf-80133

    Indian slaves of Dubai

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  358. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Nonsense data.
    I was correct
    Other here mean browns.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  359. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    The Africans resisted like they always had, just with better weapons. Just one AK-47 can take out 20 colonialists. It had nothing to do with communism, birdbrain. And the so-called elites were on the side of the colonial regimes. Up until his removal from the list in 2008. Nelson Mandela was a specially designated terrorist as per US government. Does that sound like a government in support of African resistance movements?

    It had everything to do with communism numbskull. All those black movements would have been roundly defeated without the support of the ‘International Community’ or shall we we say elite bankers. The arms were supported by communist countries like China and Soviet RUssia and the money by the USA and UK.

    Otherwise known as war, dummy. War includes sabotage operations.

    Sabotage not by those low IQ black ‘resistance leaders’. LOL. Sabotage by the international community, by the UK , by the USA. The Rhodesians trueted them. they were back stabbed and the country given to the black terrorists.

    Once again, the African kingdoms and empires were too strong to colonize until the late 19th century when newer, more lethal weapons were brought online by the industrial revolution in Europe.

    Too strong to colonise? Africans had more primitive weapons than Asia or Europe a 1000 years ago. LOL weapons from 13th century India would have been lethal for most Africans in the 1850s. What a clown this guy is.

    In fact these African empires were strong enough to colonize Europe if they had the means to get there.

    LOL. Please put down that crack before coming on unz. You are embarrassing yourself. You guys laid down and kissed the feet of muslim invaders while Europeans made them bleed. Europeans launched the crusades, while blacks sold their asses to their Muslim overlords to be abused and used..

    Why do you think the Europeans paid for slaves?

    Why do you think the Europeans paid for spices in Asia? Paid for silk? Paid for fur in North America?
    Escaped out of a Nigerian circus?

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  360. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Is this the best you can find? This is not the same as institutional slavery we saw in Yemen. There are many cases of Africans been abused in the gulf as servants. I have not brought them out yet.
    Always remember which people on this planet are called ‘abeed (slaves).We Indians are not called abeed, the Chinese are not called abeed, Englishmen are not called abeed, Native Americans are not called abeed, Thai are not called abeed, Dutchmen are not called abeed. How did the word abeed (slave) become synonymous with (abeed) black man?
    If you do not believe me check this video out at

    0.53 minutes
    Also check out 1:23 minutes where the black Iraqi openly says that he is called ‘abeed’.

    Indians are called Al Hind. This can happen to only a docile and subservient people like blacks. If Indians were docile and subservient we would by synonymous with abeed. So remember, do not throw stones at others when you live in a glass hut. LOL.

    Anyways I have no hatred for black people in general nor do I look down upon African cultures. It is you who made a dumb claim that we Indians are docile and subservient. And I fought back. Fought back dirty. Debating with scum like you always tends to turn dirty.

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  361. @Malla

    TALES FROM DUBAI

    One Arab who really treated Indians like shit took a sex vacation to Chennai (Underage girls) and somehow an Indian in Dubai tipped off a disgruntled ex-employee and he was beaten up right in hotel.

    Another Arab had his money stolen by a Kerala accountant and flew to Kerala to the mansion the Indian had built (Interpol really ignores these embezzlement accusations for the most part) and the Nair beat the absolute shit out of him right there on the front steps. He kicked his nuts 10 times right on his step.

    One Filipino woman who’d been raped recognized the Omani in Mindanao at hotel and told her brother, who dragged the Arab into a tree swarming with ants where he and some other Filipinos smeared the screaming Arab with honey and tied him to it.

    A Texan recognized an Arab from oil rigs at a London airport and beat him up while he waited for a taxi and got an assault charge.

    You hear these things in Dubai as a long-time expat.

  362. bucky says:
    @Okechukwu

    Now, how did Europeans get these weapons? Were they handed down to them by aliens?

    No, they built them with their intelligence.

    Likewise with ships. Are ships just handed down by aliens? No, it takes intelligence and effort to build and pilot a ship.

    Africans never had the IQ to build these things. They never had the social structures or the discipline. The African way is dominance. It is not equality. It is slavery. The major error of the Europeans was in being multi-cultural when they encountered Africans. They adopted the African custom of slavery. Slavery was not imposed by Europeans, in a way slavery was imposed on Europeans by Africans.

    Which also means to say that as African people expand across the globe, which will occur over the next century, life will become worse. Africans are not benevolent. They do not have moral imagination. They treat others poorly because that is their nature.

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  363. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Nonsense data.
    I was correct

    Yeah, let’s go with a homemade graph from some obscure website rather scholarly research.

    Once again, Indian IQ is 82. Nigerian IQ is 84. Suck on it.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Malla
  364. @Okechukwu

    From a white perspective, this is sort of irrelevant because the Igbo of Nigeria or Tamil Brahmin are so intelligent.

    Specific African and Indian subgroups produce nothing BUT geniuses.

    We also have to remember that African-Americans are 20% white. Moreover, they are the descendants of roguish British males-ROOTS was accurate enough in depicting this.

    To try and extract a median IQ from a population with as much variation as Africa or India is really pointless.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
    , @Malla
  365. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    It had everything to do with communism numbskull. All those black movements would have been roundly defeated without the support of the ‘International Community’ or shall we we say elite bankers. The arms were supported by communist countries like China and Soviet RUssia and the money by the USA and UK.

    Every armed movement that has ever fought in the history of humanity has had allies, you dumb hindu. Why should Africans reject allies when their opponents had their own allies? Or do you think that the colonial regimes were without allies? Being a complete imbecile, you probably do think that. In fact the racist regimes had the world’s most powerful ally in the United States. Not to mention Great Britain. Not to mention Apartheid South Africa. Their support was often clandestine, but it was critical support nonetheless, which in addition to manpower and materiel, included such vital assets as satellite imagery of guerrilla formations.

    Sabotage not by those low IQ black ‘resistance leaders’. LOL. Sabotage by the international community, by the UK , by the USA. The Rhodesians trueted them. they were back stabbed and the country given to the black terrorists.

    The US and UK supported Rhodesia, you nitwit. The US was on an anti-communist crusade, believing that every rebel movement was communist inspired. And the UK wasn’t going to abandon its kith and kin.

    Too strong to colonise? Africans had more primitive weapons than Asia or Europe a 1000 years ago.

    You present a curious mixture of sublime stupidity combined with a severe lack of education. Again, many of the African empires (Mali-Songhai, Fulbe, Mande, Kongo, Zulu, Zimbabwe, Masai, Kanem-Bornu, Mutapa, Niger empires, Sudan, etc) had large well organized armies with fierce warriors. Some had heavy cavalry, guns and artillery, in addition to indigenous technology which at the time was equal to any weapons systems in the world in terms of their efficacy. So no one was going to colonize those people at that time. Often they were better fed, better led, better organized and better equipped than their ragtag feudal European counterparts.

    Africans didn’t just engage in disorganized raiding parties like American Indians. Though guerrilla tactics were utilized, Africans could also fight set-piece battles with fast movement of large formations. They built fortifications, set traps, had defense in depth, created kill zones, etc. Importantly, Africans didn’t see Europeans as anything special or god-like, just weird looking versions of themselves. People assume that the Zulus were the pinnacle of African warfare. But they weren’t. They were a primitive army that were far less advanced than African empires that preceded them by several hundred years.

    The Portuguese were the first serious European entrants into Africa in the 16th century. Well they were crushed and defeated in several battles against native forces in the Kongo and Zimbabwe. Fast forward 300 years later to the 19th century and it’s the British being defeated in the Anglo-Ashanti wars. In fact you can verify the impact of the new modern weapons by tracing the fortunes of the British armies in the Ashanti wars. There were a series of 5 wars. In the early 19th century, the British lost to the Ashanti. But as industrialization gathered pace and the British introduced maxim machine guns, repeating rifles and other advanced armaments, they were able to defeat the Ashanti in the later wars.

    You guys laid down and kissed the feet of muslim invaders while Europeans made them bleed. Europeans launched the crusades, while blacks sold their asses to their Muslim overlords to be abused and used.

    You’re much too easy, bruh. Hehehehe.

    Islamic Conquest Of India: The Greatest Genocide In History

    Muslim historian Firishta [full name Muhammad Qasim Hindu Shah, born in 1560 and died in 1620], the author of the Tarikh-i Firishta and the Gulshan-i Ibrahim, was the first to give an idea to the medieval bloodbath that was India during Muslim rule, when he declared that over 400 million Hindus got slaughtered during Muslim invasion and occupation of India. Survivors got enslaved and castrated. India’s population is said to have been around 600 million at the time of Muslim invasion. By the mid 1500’s the Hindu population was 200 million.

    https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/08/31/islamic-invasion-of-india-the-greatest-genocide-in-history/

    Why do you think the Europeans paid for spices in Asia? Paid for silk? Paid for fur in North America?

    Well, my dimwitted hindu friend, if slavery was still extant after European colonization of Africa, surely the Europeans wouldn’t have had to pay for slaves. Am I right? Use your head, dummy.

    Which brings to mind, it was the transatlantic slave trade the distorted the image of Africa. Racism as we know it did not exist prior to the slave trade, only becoming necessary in order to justify slavery. Africans were on equal footing with Europeans and often were more advanced, as recorded by European explorers themselves. There was free and fair trade, mutual respect and exchanges of ambassadors.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  366. Okechukwu says:
    @bucky

    Now, how did Europeans get these weapons? Were they handed down to them by aliens?

    Through access to the technology, which is how humans got everything from stone tools onward. You don’t think that the Europeans actually invented guns do you? Or gunpowder for that matter.

    No, they built them with their intelligence.

    The same intelligence that all humans have. Given access to the same history, environment and influences every human can create whatever the European environment was able to nurture. And if they gain access to it, they’re able to replicate it using the aforementioned human intelligence. This is what Europeans have done after all. They have been some of the greatest thieves, copiers and appropriators of the technology of others the world has ever seen.

    Likewise with ships. Are ships just handed down by aliens? No, it takes intelligence and effort to build and pilot a ship.

    Try to think a little more deeply so we don’t take you for a complete idiot. Humans respond to their environment. Africa is a vast continent that is as large as oceans. The distance from Europe to America is shorter than the distance between east and west Africa. So there was little incentive among Africans to sail to distant shores. Moreover, even if they wanted to they had few natural harbors and the inland waters were unnavigable. But Europe, on the other hand, was made for seafaring. It is small, crowded and surrounded by oceans. It has abundant natural harbors and placid interior waters. It was at the center of the great seafaring traditions of the Mediterranean from which it could learn. Africans were excellent craftsmen of small boats and war canoes suitable to their environment. Humans are all about their environment.

    Africans never had the IQ to build these things. They never had the social structures or the discipline. The African way is dominance. It is not equality. It is slavery. The major error of the Europeans was in being multi-cultural when they encountered Africans. They adopted the African custom of slavery. Slavery was not imposed by Europeans, in a way slavery was imposed on Europeans by Africans.

    I’m convinced you’re trying out your comedy routine with your posts. Either that or you’re just about the dumbest fuck on the Internet, with the possible exception of Malla.

    Which also means to say that as African people expand across the globe, which will occur over the next century, life will become worse. Africans are not benevolent. They do not have moral imagination. They treat others poorly because that is their nature.

    Yeah, well, a European might slit your throat while an African might be the one to save your life. Your writing doesn’t even make any sense. In your rage you seem to be transposing the attributes of Africans and Europeans.

    • Replies: @bucky
  367. Okechukwu says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    From a white perspective, this is sort of irrelevant because the Igbo of Nigeria or Tamil Brahmin are so intelligent.

    White perspective? So you speak for whites now, do you? That’ll come as a big shock to my white friends, associates, neighbors, employees and wife.

    Specific African and Indian subgroups produce nothing BUT geniuses.

    I think rather they have certain cultural practices that emphasize education and achievement.

    We also have to remember that African-Americans are 20% white.

    European genetic inputs do not render any intellectual advantage whatsoever to black Americans. Studies have actually been conducted which falsify this claim.

    All Brains Are the Same Color

    Why rely on such misleading and indirect findings when we have much more direct evidence about the basis for the I.Q. gap? About 25 percent of the genes in the American black population are European, meaning that the genes of any individual can range from 100 percent African to mostly European. If European intelligence genes are superior, then blacks who have relatively more European genes ought tohave higher I.Q.’s than those who have more African genes. But it turns out that skin color and “negroidness” of features — both measures of the degree of a black
    person’s European ancestry — are only weakly associated with I.Q. (even though we might well expect a moderately high association due to the social advantages of such features).

    During World War II, both black and white American soldiers fathered children with German women. Thus some of these children had 100 percent European heritage and some had substantial African heritage. Tested in later childhood, the German children of the white fathers were found to have an average I.Q. of 97, and those of the black fathers had an average of 96.5, a trivial difference.

    If European genes conferred an advantage, we would expect that the smartest blacks would have substantial European heritage. But when a group of investigators sought out the very brightest black children in the Chicago school system and asked them about the race of their parents and grandparents, these children were found to have no greater degree of European ancestry than blacks in the population at large.

    Most tellingly, blood-typing tests have been used to assess the degree to which black individuals have European genes. The blood group assays show no association between degree of European heritage and I.Q. Similarly, the blood groups most closely associated with high intellectual performance among blacks are no more European in origin than other blood groups.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/opinion/09nisbett.html

    To try and extract a median IQ from a population with as much variation as Africa or India is really pointless.

    The same variation exists in all populations. I could easily get an IQ of 60 for whites by testing attendees at a Trump rally or the people in backwoods Appalachia.

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    , @Jeff Stryker
  368. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    obscure website

    Only a low IQ simpleton like you will will consider that an obscure website.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm

    Prodigy. That’s because the relationship between per capita GDP and mean IQ is not linear. The fit is the best that can be obtained with a line.
    Estraneo. Is nonlinearity important?
    Prodigy. Correlation indicates the degree of linear association between variables. Because, the relationship is nonlinear, the value 0.73 actually underestimates the strength of the relationship.
    Mentor. I notice several conspicuous outlying points. What is that about?
    Prodigy. Some of this is experimental error, but a few outliers are due to cause. South Africa, for example, is the world’s largest producer of platinum, gold, chromium and diamonds. None of this has much to do with human resources. Barbados and Qatar have also been favored with wealth-producing assets. Barbadian economy is based mostly on tourism. Exceptional year-round climate combined with proximity to the US strengthens its economic base irrespective of IQ. Similarly, oil revenue accounts for Qatar’s extraordinary GDP. Finally, with a market economy being necessary for prosperity, we find Communist China, with a mean IQ of 100, producing more like a country with a mean of 83.
    Mentor. What happens to the correlation when the four outliers are removed?
    Prodigy. It grows a bit to 0.79, so that 62 percent of the remaining GDP variance is now explained by IQ.
    Mentor. The relationship between IQ and individual achievement is well known. No where is it better documented than in Herrnstein and Murray’s The Bell Curve (Free Press, 1994). Lynn and Vanhanen have scaled this connection up to a national level. It looks like they have added a new dimension to the meaning of IQ.
    Prodigy. I do have a few modest observations. In Figure 2, the data is divided into contributions from four groups: blacks, (European) whites, East Asians and “others.” I did not include the outliers: South Africa, Barbados, Qatar and China.

    Figure 2. Per capita GDP by racial group. “White” here means European white; “East Asian” means the racially homogenous polities: Taiwan, South Korea, Hong Kong, and Japan.

    The assumption that national wealth is determined by the fraction of workers with IQ equal to or greater than some minimum value implies that per capita GDP depends sigmoidally on mean IQ. We can call this Smart Fraction Theory or SFT for short.
    Let’s see how the model shapes up quantitatively. The smart fraction, f, of a population is given by
    Estraneo. Amazing! IQs cluster by race.
    Prodigy. I would like to take credit for this discovery, but unfortunately it has been known for many years. The only debate among scholars now concerns how much of IQ is heritable.
    Estraneo. What race are “others?”
    Prodigy. Various. Indians, Latin Americans, Pacific Islanders, Middle Easterners, other Asians, etc. Many of these countries have racially or ethnically heterogeneous populations.
    Estraneo. Why have you switched IQ units in Figure 2?
    Prodigy. Standard units are convenient. Each observation is expressed in terms of the number of standard deviations from the mean. With a mean IQ of 100, and a standard deviation of 15, for example, IQs of 85, 100, 115 and 130 become in standard units: -1, 0, 1 and 2, respectively, etc.
    Estraneo. One other point. Am I wrong or are the four East Asian points displaced from the trend line?
    Prodigy. You are correct. The four, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea and Hong Kong, all with homogeneous populations, have the highest IQs reported here. We might therefore expect them to be among the wealthiest of nations. Their numbers, especially those of Taiwan and South Korea, however, tell another story.

    Country Avg
    IQ per cap
    GDP
    Hong Kong 107 20,763
    South Korea 106 13,478
    Japan 105 23,257
    Taiwan 104 13,000

    With average IQs of 104 and 106, respectively, per capita GDPs of about $13,000 seem much too low for Taiwan and South Korea.
    Estraneo. Hold on. There are a number of other nations whose GDP is much lower than expected. Why single out these four?
    Prodigy. Because they form a distinct cluster of racially similar peoples. Each has a mostly homogeneous population. Though small, the group stands apart as a unit.
    We cannot draw firm conclusions based on four points. The observations do, however, raise questions about East Asian achievement. IQ alone does not determine wealth. Perhaps East Asians are wanting in other attributes. Or, maybe there are aspects of Eastern culture that undercut creativity. These questions need to be investigated. The East Asian anomaly might well be an artifact, but for now the issue remains unresolved.

    Mentor. There is another interesting feature on your graph, Prodigy. Per capita GDP in black countries seems nearly independent of IQ.
    Prodigy. I noticed that too, Mentor, and computed a correlation coefficient for the 15 black nations as a group. The result, 0.034, confirms your observation. It seems there is an IQ threshold to be reached before a country can get off the ground economically. None of the black nations has yet reached this threshold. Here are the black-nation data.

    Country Avg
    IQ per cap
    GDP
    Zambia 77 719
    Congo 73 995
    Uganda 73 1,074
    Sudan 72 1,394
    Jamaica 72 3,389
    Kenya 72 980
    Tanzania 72 480
    Ghana 71 1,735
    Nigeria 67 795
    Zimbabwe 66 2,669
    Guinea 66 1,782
    Congo 65 822
    Sierra Leone 64 458
    Ethiopia 63 574
    Equatorial Guinea 59 1,817
    Mentor. Estraneo referred to a “trend line.” The points in Figure 2 do look as if they could be described by a smooth curve. Could a model be lurking in the background?
    Prodigy. I have tried, without luck, to come up with a model that accounts for the data.
    Mentor. Let’s think a bit. As civilization becomes more complex, the demand for cognitive ability increases. Perhaps you can take this simple proposition, and from it fashion a model to explain the data of Lynn and Vanhanen.
    Prodigy. Interesting idea. Suppose, in order to contribute significantly to a nation’s productivity, a sophisticated economy demands of its work force some minimum cognitive ability, say IQ0. We might call the population fraction with IQ > IQ0 a nation’s smart fraction. A model can be constructed based on the simple assumption that per capita GDP depends on the size of the smart fraction. In the simplest case, per capita GDP would be proportional to the smart fraction. That is, writing G for per capita GDP, and f for smart fraction, such a model would assert that:

    The model contains only one important parameter, the threshold, IQ0 (implicit in f). The scale constant, c, merely accommodates the (arbitrary) units of GDP.
    Mentor. Will such a model fit the data of Lynn and Vanhanen?
    Prodigy. Maybe. We can easily reveal its essential properties. For a given population, it is safe to assume that lots of people will have IQs near the population mean, and not too many will have IQs much more than one or two standard deviations away from the mean.
    Mentor. Are you implying a bell-shaped IQ distribution?
    Prodigy. No, the qualitative features of the model can be fleshed out simply by assuming that IQ distributions peak up near their means, and fall off on either side. May I borrow a pencil, Mentor?
    Mentor. Take several.
    Prodigy. Let me sketch a typical IQ distribution. The smart fraction is represented by the area under the curve beyond IQ0. I’ve drawn a distribution for a low-IQ population with a rather small smart fraction.

    More clever populations will have bigger smart fractions. As we progress to smarter nations, however, constant increments in mean IQ will not produce constant increments in the smart fraction. At first, the smart fraction will increase quickly, accelerating until the IQ distribution peak passes IQ0. Thereafter, further increments in IQ will produce ever smaller smart fraction gains.

    The assumption that national wealth is determined by the fraction of workers with IQ equal to or greater than some minimum value implies that per capita GDP depends sigmoidally on mean IQ. We can call this Smart Fraction Theory or SFT for short.
    Let’s see how the model shapes up quantitatively. The smart fraction, f, of a population is given by

    where P is the IQ distribution function for the population.
    From (1) and (2), using Gaussian functions to do the arithmetic, we find the dependence of per capita GDP on mean IQ, , to be:

    We can adjust the scale constant, c, and the IQ threshold, IQ0, to give the best least squares fit of (3) to the data. One minute, Mentor, I need to set up my laptop . . . OK, here is the result. The best fit is obtained when c = $69,321 and IQ0 = 0.547 standard deviations or 108 IQ points.
    Thus, for a technologically sophisticated society, SFT asserts that a nation’s per capita GDP is determined by the population fraction with IQ greater than or equal to some threshold IQ. Consistent with the data of Lynn and Vanhanen, that threshold IQ is 108, a bit less than the minimum required for what used to be a bachelor’s degree. Figure 3 illustrates the fit of (3) to the data of Lynn and Vanhanen.

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  369. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    All Brains Are the Same Color

    Most of this date is scam. NY times is a left website which wishes to hide all the truths about the racial difference in between race and IQ. The same leties who are now pushing pansexuality and sexual fluidity on everybody.

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  370. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Only a low IQ simpleton like you will will consider that an obscure website.

    It is an obscure website. Only a hindu imbecile like you would take a white nationalist loon like La Griffe du Lion seriously.

    Let’s get a smart person’s take on the idiot:

    I had never before heard of La Griffe du Lion. His article was so full of egregiously bad methodology and other mistakes that I at first assumed it was a satire of racist pseudoscience, the sort of thing that might be written for the Annals of Improbable Research or (if you’re Alan Sokal) Social Text.

    To mention just one example, the article’s thesis is that a nation’s “smart fraction” of the population predicts per capita GDP better than average IQ, but then uses (highly questionable) “data” on average IQ to pretend to estimate the smart fraction by assuming a Gaussian distribution. As any competent scientist would notice, however, the assumption of Gaussian distributions can’t be used to estimate the “smart fraction” without the further assumption of a specific variance or standard distribution, for which there are no data available. In short, the article claims that data on average IQ are inadequate to predict per capita GDP, but then pretends to obtain a better prediction of per capita GDP from precisely that inadequate data by making a sequence of unsupported assumptions. We’re used to seeing that kind of argument in rmcg, but scientists recognize it as a form of scientific fraud known as drylabbing [2].

    http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.music.classical.guitar/2008-06/msg00072.html

    This fraudster would be laughed out of any brick and mortar scientific conference. But to an unsophisticated nincompoop like you he’s a god.

    • Replies: @Malla
  371. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Most of this date is scam. NY times is a left website which wishes to hide all the truths about the racial difference in between race and IQ. The same leties who are now pushing pansexuality and sexual fluidity on everybody.

    Yeah, sure thing bud. Let’s believe a random ignoramus and top-level troll like yourself over a world-renowned scholar of impeccable credentials publishing authentic peer-reviewed data in one of the world’s most prestigious newspapers.

    I think you should adjust your cocktail of psyche meds. Stop using cheap Indian knockoffs. Pay for the real stuff.

    • Replies: @Malla
  372. @Okechukwu

    60 is a bit of an exaggeration. That is the IQ of the family dog. I’d put the IQ of the groups you refer to at 95-100.

    Nobody with an IQ of city could grasp trade with China or issues with immigration.

    Also, some of the Trump proposed policies make sense to a besieged middle-class. We have MS-13 and various illegals roaming around with machetes.

  373. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    In fact the racist regimes had the world’s most powerful ally in the United States. Not to mention Great Britain. Not to mention Apartheid South Africa. Their support was often clandestine, but it was critical support nonetheless, which in addition to manpower and materiel, included such vital assets as satellite imagery of guerrilla formations.

    LOL you stupid savage, if the USA and UK would have really been their ally and not have back stabbed them your so called ‘revolutionaries’ would have no chance in hell to win their ‘victories’. they were not allies, they backstabbed the Rhodesians.

    You present a curious mixture of sublime stupidity combined with a severe lack of education. Again, many of the African empires (Mali-Songhai, Fulbe, Mande, Kongo, Zulu, Zimbabwe, Masai, Kanem-Bornu, Mutapa, Niger empires, Sudan, etc) had large ….
    In the early 19th century, the British lost to the Ashanti. But as industrialization gathered pace and the British introduced maxim machine guns, repeating rifles and other advanced armaments, they were able to defeat the Ashanti in the later wars.

    Yes I agree that there were these big African Kingdoms but it still does not change the fact that Indians in the year 1300 were using weapons far superior to Africans in the year 1850. The weapons of Indians in the year 1300 would have been fatal to Africans let alone waiting till Europeans till 1800. In India we have primitive tribals called adivasis. Your African Empires are comparable to them but even they used more advanced weaponry. But the tribals would never have been stupid enough to consider themselves equal to civilized Indians in military strength. African tribal armies were impressive upto an extent but would have been a joke in front of major Indian armies. There was no need for the British to wait for any advancements in weapons. The Europeans were not that interested in the African interior until much later.

    Islamic Conquest Of India: The Greatest Genocide In History

    At least we fought back you stupid chump and made them bleed. Not like you abeed who bowed down and kissed muslim feet.
    Maharana Pratap, Rajput King

    http://www.chittorgarh.com/article/maharana-pratap/243/

    Shivaji Bhosle, King of the Maratha Empire

    https://www.opennaukri.com/chhatrapati-shivaji-maharaj-the-founder-of-maratha-kingdom/

    Not only that the Sikhs defeated the Muslims repeatedly

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chappar_Chiri

    Battle of Chappar Chiri

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Attock

    Battle of Attock
    The battle took place on 13 July 1813, in which Sikhs utterly dominated the Durranis .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Multan

    Battle of Multan
    Battle of Multan started in March, 1818 and ended three months later on 2 June 1818 . Sikhs utterly dominated Durranis and captured Multan. The Afghan governor Muzaffar Khan Sadozai was killed. As a result, the Afghan power collapsed in Punjab and the regions to the east of Indus virtually came under Sikh influence.
    Battle of Shopian

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Shopian

    The battle took place on 3 July 1819 during the Sikh expedition to Kashmir. The Afghan governor Jabbar Khan fled and Kashmir became a province of the Sikh Empire.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Nowshera

    Battle of Nowshera
    The battle was fought on 14 March 1823 in which the Sikhs utterly dominated the Afghans and occupied the Peshawar valley.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Peshawar_(1834)

    Battle of Peshawar
    The battle was fought on 6 May 1834. Under the command of Hari Singh Nalwa, Sikhs captured Peshawar resulting in the fleeing of the Muslims.

    Unlike the abeed who bowed down to their Muslim overlords and kissed their tunic, Indians (like the Europeans) made them bleed.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Okechukwu
  374. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    This fraudster would be laughed out of any brick and mortar scientific conference. But to an unsophisticated nincompoop like you he’s a god.

    Laughed out not for scientific reasons, but for ideological reasons. Laughed out by the same crowd who are pushing pansexuality down every one’s throat. That is why they would be your God.

  375. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Well, my dimwitted hindu friend, if slavery was still extant after European colonization of Africa, surely the Europeans wouldn’t have had to pay for slaves. Am I right?

    European colonization stopped slavery in Africa, you stupid pig. Even after Europeans conquered Indonesia and South India, they were still paying for spices. Conquest in those days meant that other European powers would be kept out of the trade and thus you could have a monopoly.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  376. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Specific African subgroups produce nothing BUT geniuses.

    What are you smoking?

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  377. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    world-renowned scholar of impeccable credentials publishing authentic peer-reviewed data in one of the world’s most prestigious newspapers.

    Many such lefty world renowned scholars and newspapers are pushing pan sexuality now. No wonder they are your Gods.
    They have very little to do with facts but ideology.

  378. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Racism as we know it did not exist prior to the slave trade, only becoming necessary in order to justify slavery.

    Oh please spare me all this commie post colonial B.S. my dim witted junglee friend. Racism is as old as mankind itself. From the beginning of time when people of different tribes, ethnic groups, races etc… have come across each other they have been forming all kinds of opinions of each others (correct or wrong) and racist systems. For example Yarubas and Igbos having stereotypes of each other, Tamils and Punjabis having stereotypes of each other. Racism is just a bigger version of tribalism. You do not need racism to justify slavery. Muslims enslaved a lot of non Muslims including Whites, Indians and Christian Arabs but blacks became synonymous with abeed because blacks were extra ordinarily servile and docile to their Muslim lords. Hence they were the favourite to be eunuchs and female sex slaves.

    For example

    The great Moses ben Maimon was a medieval Sephardic Jewish philosopher who became one of the most prolific and influential Torah scholars of the Middle Ages, considered one of the greatest Jewish Rabbis of all time. He is considered among the foremost rabbinical philosophers in Jewish history, and his massive amounts of work comprises a cornerstone of Jewish scholarship. He wrote the fourteen-volume Mishneh Torah which is considered an important authority in Talmudic law.
    He was born in 1135 AD, centureis before the Trans Atlantic Slave trade.
    Even he wrote in the Rambam
    wrote in the Rambam
    “Those who are incapable of attaining to supreme religious values include the black coloured people and those who resemble them in their climates. Their nature is like the mute animals. Their level among existing things is below that of a man and above that of a monkey.” (Maimonides, Guide To The Perplexed, Translation from the Hebrew Version)

    For example, recently, the chief Rabbi of Israel, Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef compared blacks to monkeys

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/adl-slams-chief-rabbi-of-israel-for-calling-black-people-monkeys-1.5932876

    “According to Ynet, Yosef referred to black people by the derogatory Hebrew word “kushi,” and then going on to term a black person a “monkey.”
    His office told Ynet that the comparison was a quote from the Talmud.”

    Is he going to go down to Africa and enslave blacks for his plantation? Do not be a fool.

    Ibn Khaldun ,was a fourteenth-century Arab historiographer and historian. Many modern scholars consider him one of the greatest minds historiography, sociology, economics, and demography.
    In his great book Muqadimmah , he writes
    “beyond [known peoples of black West Africa] to the south there is no civilization in the proper sense. There are only humans who are closer to dumb animals than to rational beings. They live in thickets and caves, and eat herbs and unprepared grain. They frequently eat each other. They cannot be considered human beings.”

    But the great scholar Ibn Khaldun also wrote
    “Therefore, the Negro nation are, as a rule, submissive to slavery, because [Negroes] have little [that is essentially] human and have attributes that are quite similar to those of dumb animals, as we have stated.”

    The above quote may give some support to the theory of racism being invented to justify slavery but my opinion is there is no real connection in between the two. Blacks enslaved other blacks and Whites enslaved other Whites in the past.
    Though I do not agree with some of the ‘harsh’ observations above, also worth noting is Ibn Khaldun’s observation that blacks are submissive. Hence your assertion that Indians are docile and servile is wrong. Blacks are more likely to posses these traits and you are a idiotic man living in a glass hut throwing stones at Indians.

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  379. @Malla

    The objective truth herb.

    I came across the Zanzibari Omanis in Dubai and they are another market-dominant minority (Albeit heavily mixed with Arab).

    The same is true of South Asia-Sikhs earn more than Jews in the UK while Pakistanis and Bangladeshi are at the bottom of the heap.

  380. @Malla

    In modern times, Muslims are pretty screwed in India.

    Even a Gora knows that majority of them are criminals and drug dealers and jail hounds.

    I’d say the Brahmin won.

  381. @Malla

    I said “might”.

    A great many Nair are despicable lying drunks-in the dawn of time they seem to have more in common with Australian aboriginals than any other human group.

    However, Kerala is relatively prosperous. It might be the only place where socialism made things a bit better. Overall in India socialism was doomed to fail because of the caste-system and 1,000 other reasons but Kochi did alright with Gulf remissions.

    Even the relations between Muslims and Hindus is a little better in the South.

    Now at the end of the day, I’m a white guy. But whites are sort of ignored in India, like a lamp or something, so nobody pushed any particular perspective on me.

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  382. @Malla

    Sorry, but I know too many Brahmin in Dubai who were so appalled by Brampton or New Jersey that they returned to the Gulf to believe that.

    South Indian Tamil Brahmin are not REAL Brahmin (In the sense that whites regard them as quasi-Europeans) and I’d believe this might be possible.

    But Baniya caste Indians in Jo-Jo or Parsi? They’re in no hurry to move to East Vancouver.

    You forget that Indian neighborhoods in Canada are fairly rough because of Sikhs. They’d give black crips or bloods a run for their money in terms of criminal inclinations.

  383. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    LOL you stupid savage, if the USA and UK would have really been their ally and not have back stabbed them your so called ‘revolutionaries’ would have no chance in hell to win their ‘victories’. they were not allies, they backstabbed the Rhodesians.

    You’re a moron. This was at the height of the cold war. The African freedom fighters had their own allies in the USSR, China and the Eastern bloc, who were just as powerful as the US and UK. While the west was allied with Rhodesia, there were severe restraints on what they could do. They weren’t going to risk a wider conflict over a racist little shithole like Rhodesia.

    Yes I agree that there were these big African Kingdoms but it still does not change the fact that Indians in the year 1300 were using weapons far superior to Africans in the year 1850. The weapons of Indians in the year 1300 would have been fatal to Africans let alone waiting till Europeans till 1800.

    And what exactly were these weapons that the Indians had that the Africans didn’t have? Some African kingdoms traded with the Ottoman Empire and had access to the most advanced weapons in the world at the time. And again, their indigenous weapons were just as effective as anything anyone else fielded. Flintlock rifles are not more lethal than poison arrows.

    African tribal armies were impressive upto an extent but would have been a joke in front of major Indian armies.

    I’m not talking about tribal armies. I’m talking about kingdoms that could marshall tens of thousands of highly trained troops with some of the most advanced weapons in the world.

    Yeah, I’d like to see your Indians try to conquer these armies:

    Contrary to popular Western impressions, sub-Saharan Africa did produce significant cavalry forces where the environment permitted it. The savannahs of Western Africa in particular (Guinea, Gambia, Senegal, Niger etc.) and its borderlands into the Sahara and Sahel saw the development of several powerful cavalry-based states that dominated the region for centuries.[48] Where the tsetse fly was not strong, and the terrain was favorable, the mounted horseman came into his own, and emerged as the true aristocracy of the savannah. As they did further north in Carthage, Egypt and Libya, the introduction of the horse, (and to some extent the camel in desert areas) had a transformational effect on African warfare.

    On suitable terrain, the fast-moving horseman was the dominant force. When infantry operated on ground less favorable to cavalry however, and deployed firearms or disciplined archery, the mounted man was not as effective. Cavalry tactics were varied based on the mix of mounted and foot troops on hand for an operation. Infantry forces were usually larger, and the typical order of battle was a mass of infantry levies armed with hide shields, arrows, bows and spears, and a higher status mounted formation. Cavalry relied heavily on missile action, usually casting javelins in one or two passes, before closing in with lances for shock action. The infantry provided a steadying force if they could mass compactly enough to stand against cavalry charges. Raiding type tactics were standard, particularly in acquiring captives for sale. Generally the savanna cavalries used a “combined arms” approach, seldom operating without supporting infantry. Military operations of the savannah empires can be illustrated by the Mossi. Men of noble birth dominated the mounted units, and commoners were relegated to auxiliary foot formations, very similar to medieval European knights and foot soldiers. The main striking power of the Mossi forces rested in the cavalry, with the typical unit made up of 10 to 15 horsemen. The Mossi emperor delegated supreme command on expeditions to a field commander, or tansoba.

    Another example of an effective cavalry nation; the Mali Empire, deployed both footmen and cavalry, under two general commands. Supreme command for all forces rested with the ruler, but the two army groupings were under two assigned generals. Cavalry was the elite arm of the force and provided the stable nucleus of an army that when fully mobilized numbered around 100,000 men, spread throughout the empire.. Ninety percent of these were infantry. A cavalry force, the farai, supervised the infantry, under officers. The footmen could be either slaves or freemen, and were predominately archers. Three archers to one spearman was the general ratio of Malian formations in the 16th century. The archers generally opened a battle, softening up the enemy for cavalry charges or the advance of the spearmen. Sword and lance were the weapons of choice in the cavalry forces, sometimes tipped with poison. A large flotilla of canoes supported army movements on campaigns.

    https://wuhstry.wordpress.com/2018/01/22/warfare-in-precolonial-africa/

    I’d like to see your hindu forces negotiate these defensive fortifications:

    Defensive works were of an important part of warfare for these tropical militaries. In the Kongo region they often consisted of a type of field fortification, with trenches and low earthen embankments. These fortifications incidentally generally held up much better against European cannon than taller, more imposing structures, as they were very similar to modern trenches designed for such a purpose. In 15th century Benin, the works were more impressive. The walls of the city-state are described as the world’s second longest man-made structure, and the series of earthen ramparts as the most extensive earthwork in the world. Strong citadels were also built other in areas of Africa. Yorubaland for example had several sites surrounded by the same fully encompassing earthworks and ramparts seen elsewhere, and were situated in positions that improved defensive potential such as hills and ridges. Yoruba fortifications were often protected with a double wall of trenches and ramparts, and in the Congo forests concealed ditches and paths, in addition to the main walls, which were often lined with rows of sharpened stakes. Inner defenses were laid out to dampen a successful breach with a maze of defensive walls allowing for entrapment and crossfire on enemy forces.

    These African armies were not a rabble. They had sophisticated tactics.

    For these types of army, and example of the basic deployment for battle comes from the Fulani, which consisted of groups of select spearmen that entered battle first, supported by archers in the rear, and in reserve would be a general purpose force readed their troops into compact columns, easy to maneuver on the march and remaining somewhat together when spread out for combat. Like the Fulani, the Fante also sent spearmen first into battle, with archers supporting. A general charge by warriors further back under their commanders, then ensued, with sword, club and axe. In both of these cases, leaders seem to have had little control over troop movement once the fray was joined. By contrast, the forces of some other states were better organized. In the Angola region, troops were divided into companies and regiments, each with their own unique insignia. Designated field commanders controlled troop movement with signals from drums, bells and elephant tusk horns. Unlike the Fante or Fulani, archers usually opened a battle with only a very limited volley of arrows. The main force was still the unit of spearmen. Deployment was staggered, so that initial fighting waves fell back on command when tired, and fresh contingents moved up from the rear to take their place.

    https://wuhstry.wordpress.com/2018/01/22/warfare-in-precolonial-africa/

    No European force was going to overcome these armies prior to the advent of modern weapons. That’s why they didn’t try and when they did try they generally failed. The Zulus, an unsophisticated African army, managed to wipe out 1300 elite British troops in the battle of Isandlwana. This was in the late 19th century so the Brits had all the accouterments of modern warfare, yet they were still destroyed by spear wielding Zulus. Imagine how much more lopsided that battle would’ve been had the British not had maxim machine guns, repeater rifles, rockets and artillery. Well, you don’t have to imagine it because without those weapons the British wouldn’t have had the balls to even go there.

    There was no need for the British to wait for any advancements in weapons. The Europeans were not that interested in the African interior until much later.

    The fact that the Europeans set up coastal trading posts under the aegis of African kingdoms belies that statement. They were very interested but they didn’t have the means to enter the African interior and take things by force. Once they developed the means, that’s exactly what they did.

    At least we fought back you stupid chump and made them bleed. Not like you abeed who bowed down and kissed muslim feet.

    The Muslims just didn’t respect the Hindus in the same way they respected Africans. In India they went in to rape, pillage, plunder, murder, enslave and castrate. In Africa they didn’t fight any wars of conquest. Instead they conducted mutually beneficial trade in gold, ivory and, yes, slaves. In East Africa they mingled their cultures and their languages to create Swahili. In West Africa Timbuktu became the preeminent center of scholarship in the entire Islamic world.

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  384. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Even after Europeans conquered Indonesia and South India, they were still paying for spices. Conquest in those days meant that other European powers would be kept out of the trade and thus you could have a monopoly.

    So what commodities were the colonial Europeans paying the Africans for, you ignorant hindu cockroach worshiper? Did the Belgians pay the Congo for the rubber they forced Africans to harvest for them?

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  385. Truth says:
    @Okechukwu

    Those are good references, Malls, what you got to compare?

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  386. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Oh please spare me all this commie post colonial B.S. my dim witted junglee friend. Racism is as old as mankind itself. From the beginning of time when people of different tribes, ethnic groups, races etc… have come across each other they have been forming all kinds of opinions of each others (correct or wrong) and racist systems. For example Yarubas and Igbos having stereotypes of each other, Tamils and Punjabis having stereotypes of each other. Racism is just a bigger version of tribalism.

    You’re conflating xenophobia with racism, you uneducated buffoon. There’s quite a marked difference. The Yoruba may feel a certain disquiet toward Igbos (or vice versa), but neither one thinks the other is less than human or inferior genetically. Racism as we know it, is a wholly modern European construct that was unknown to the world prior to the Atlantic slave trade. The ancients certainly didn’t practice the same racism. The Ancient Romans were cultural imperialists. Sure, they believed that some cultures were inferior, but everyone could Romanize and become just like them. To the Romans, no people were innately inferior or innately incapable. There were black Roman legionnaires who helped put down European barbarian tribes.

    Don’t take my word for it. In early colonial America, before the inception of the African slave trade, Africans were free people with all the rights and obligations of citizenship. They could vote, own property and freely engage in commerce. They even owned white indentured servants.

    From Indentured Servitude to Racial Slavery

    One of the few recorded histories of an African in America that we can glean from early court records is that of “Antonio the negro,” as he was named in the 1625 Virginia census. He was brought to the colony in 1621. At this time, English and Colonial law did not define racial slavery; the census calls him not a slave but a “servant.” Later, Antonio changed his name to Anthony Johnson, married an African American servant named Mary, and they had four children. Mary and Anthony also became free, and he soon owned land and cattle and even indentured servants of his own. By 1650, Anthony was still one of only 400 Africans in the colony among nearly 19,000 settlers. In Johnson’s own county, at least 20 African men and women were free, and 13 owned their own homes.

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1narr3.html

    Your references and quotes reflect ethno-nationalism and xenophobia. The Ancient Romans and Greeks said much the same about blonde-haired barbarians.

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  387. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    This was at the height of the cold war. The African freedom fighters had their own allies in the USSR, China and the Eastern bloc, who were just as powerful as the US and UK.

    The Cold War was partially fake.

    While the west was allied with Rhodesia,

    Yes right, hence Rhodesia faced sanctions? That is why Britain would not accept the Rhodesian declaration of independence in 1967 until voting was given to blacks. No they did not. They back stabbed Rhodesia and hence Rhodesia lost.

    The fact that the Europeans set up coastal trading posts under the aegis of African kingdoms belies that statement. They were very interested but they didn’t have the means

    Nope they had no interest in the African interior until much later.

    I’d like to see your hindu forces negotiate these defensive fortifications:

    Some of the things you wrote about African kingdoms sure seem impressive. But in India you would be dealing with this.
    The ancient Mauryans are said to have owned more than 9000, war elephants, while Chankaya put this number at 21000. Just War elephants let alone cavalry and infantry.
    Asian armies at that time were far more powerful in technology and tactics. We had far more complicated fortresses which other Indian armies had an experience in besieging and taking over.

    For example this is the storming of Multan fort by Sikhs

    In the crusades, the Europeans built far more complicated fortresses than the Arabs. If one group of Europeans could build such complicated citadels then other Europeans would have developed siege weapons to counter this.

    No European force was going to overcome these armies prior to the advent of modern weapons.

    Only in your dreams. If they wanted, they would have conquered easily. They were just not interested at that time. They were concentrating on their Asian trade . Asia had far more powerful armies.

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  388. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Racism as we know it, is a wholly modern European construct that was unknown to the world prior to the Atlantic slave trade. The ancients certainly didn’t practice the same racism

    Your references and quotes reflect ethno-nationalism and xenophobia.

    Read the quotes correctly you stupid low IQ freak, they do not reflect ethno nationalism or xenophobia but classic racism. Racism is no modern European construct. The same Ibn Khaldun in his own book Muqadimmah, wrote about negative things about desert Arabs, his own people but praised England as a magnificent realm. How is this ethnocentrism or xenophobia? Racism began from the beginning of time. Most human kingdoms or societies rarely came across that many people of different races to create a more complete system of racism. The Islamic world stretched from Spain to the borders of China. They came across a variety of humans and thus had more populations to compare with each other with. Europeans traveled and explored the world from pacific Islanders to Inuits. Thus they had more raw data on their observation on various races.

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  389. Malla says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    A great many Nair are despicable lying drunks-in the dawn of time they seem to have more in common with Australian aboriginals than any other human group.

    Nearly all South Asians are basically a combination race of black Australian Aborigines like hunter gather peoples and invading Caucasian Whites (Aryans, Scythians etc…) with a little bit of East Asian thrown in.

  390. Bear in mind I was pushed around a time or two.

  391. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    These African armies were not a rabble. They had sophisticated tactics.

    OK cool. Very interesting.

    Cavalry was the elite arm of the force and provided the stable nucleus of an army that when fully mobilized numbered around 100,000 men, spread throughout the empire..

    Yeah, I’d like to see your Indians try to conquer these armies:

    Would not be impossible, could be done.
    Emperor Aurangzeb’s army totaled more than 500,000 in number in his campaign against the Marathas (compared to total Maratha army in the ballpark of 150,000). With him he carried huge artillery, cavalry, muskettes, ammunition and giant wealth from royal treasuries to support this quest.

    The Zulus, an unsophisticated African army

    They were bullying and conquering all other black African nations around them including the Xhosas. Ndebele/Matabele a people related to the Zulus easily dominated the numerically bigger Shonas around them and treated them like pigs.

    managed to wipe out 1300 elite British troops

    The 1300 British troops faced 15,000 Zulu warriors. That is a 10 to one ratio and even with modern guns it is not easy to pull off something like that. It is likely that the British underestimated the Zulus and this played a part in their defeat. Only to followed by the Battle of Rorke’s Drift where 150 british soldiers fought off 3000-4000 Zulu warriors with a few with British guns.

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  392. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    The Muslims just didn’t respect the Hindus in the same way they respected Africans. In India they went in to rape, pillage, plunder, murder, enslave and castrate. In Africa they didn’t fight any wars of conquest. Instead they conducted mutually beneficial trade in gold, ivory and, yes, slaves.

    The amount of gas talk here is extreme. Black Africa was the single largest source of slaves to the Islamic world. Sudan was Christian once. Where are they now? Muslims may not have respected black Africans but they sure liked you. Muslim lords were pleased with the servility and docility of black Africans. No resistance, no fightback. “Why can’t the Indians and Europeans be like these docile blacks”, they angrily muttered. Are you telling me that the Islamic forces who attacked Persia, Europe and India, went to Africa for picnic. There was virtually no effective black African resistance to the Islamic forces. You guys fell on their feet and submitted to them with awe. LOL. What docility!!!!
    In the above video on Arabs giving black slaves to their kids on their birthday (Post 307), check out from 5:18 minutes we see a Saharan black people who once owned many cattle but are now reduced to poverty and despair by the slave trade by the Islamic world.

    We were not as successful as Europeans who took the fight to the Middle East (who themselves were not as successful as the East Asian Mongols who destroyed the Caliph capital of Baghdad) but we were in the state of reconquest (like the Spanish/Portuguese) when the Europeans came to India.

    The Hindu Maratha Empire had reconquered a large part of India and the Sikhs were doing the same in the North West.

    Also we had great heroes like Guru Nanak

    And Ranjit Singh (may God bless his soul), who took the battle to the Muslims at the tender age of 12!!! Islamic forces fled in front of his armies and he brought terror into their hearts.

    His Majesty Ranjit Singh, Lion of Punjab and India. He made huge muslim armies bleed

    The valour displayed by the Hindu Marathas was praised by Ahmad Shah Abdali, Afghan King after the third Battle of Panipat

    “ The Marathas fought with the greatest valour which was beyond the capacity of other races. These dauntless blood-shedders didn’t fall short in fighting and doing glorious deeds. But ultimately we won with our superior tactics and with the grace of the Divine Lord.”

    Indians docile and subservient?
    There is no example of this in black African history.
    It were blacks who were bowing down to their Islamic overlords.

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  393. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Did the Belgians pay the Congo for the rubber they forced Africans to harvest for them?

    No clue about that. King Leopold had huge plantations. So they definitely fed the natives.
    In Asia even after conquest, Europeans paid for spices and other goods. The main aim of the conquest was to prevent other European powers to trade with that colony and thus have a monopoly. Even after WW2, the Government of Britain paid the government of British India for all the war material India contributed to the Empire in the War. This is even though India was to get independence in two years (it was known at that time) and Britain was quite bankrupt.
    Indeed the division of that money among India and Pakistan caused Gandhi’s assassination by Hindu fundamentalist Nathuram Godse. Gandhi asked for the money to be split equally in between Pakistan and India while the Hindus made the point that Pakistan having a lower population would be getting more money per capita.
    The British could have just taken all that war material and not paid anything but that is not how things happened.

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  394. Malla says:
    @jacques sheete

    Hey sorry I unfortunately missed your post. Well very hard to give a short summary because a lot of things were discussed in that video. Well it seems the Puritans were in many ways more Jewish than Christian. They followed the Old Testament rather than the New Testament, which is very weird for a Christian group. Cotton Mather, the guy who started Harvard was a Puritan. Same with Elihu Yale, the guy who founded Yale and close associate of Cotton Mather. The Puritans were big in Barbados along with Jews, involved in the slave trade. what the video claims was that the witch hysteria was more to do with human trials on inoculation than real witchcraft. The Puritans were involved in early Medical research. Also the video discusses the extremely shady Royal Society and its control on science. All this was related to the counter culture movement of the 1960s and LSD. It seems LSD is extracted from Ergot, a fungi which affects rye crops and was involved in the Salem Witch trails too. They even wondered if the Puritans were involved in spreading disease amongst Native Americans to genocide them out or if there was a similar conspiracy with the precursors to the Royal Society, Rosicrucianism maybe, in the witch trials in Europe.
    I hope that gives a good idea.

  395. Malla says:
    @Truth

    Well, what can I say, yes he brings some good references. In these debates you learn a lot of new things even if it means learning from an arrogant cunt like Okechukwu.

  396. anarchyst says:
    @ThreeCranes

    The Flint, Michigan “water crisis” was a result of city and county officials “jumping the gun” while planning to disconnect from the Detroit water system in order to utilize their (unfinished) Karegnondi regional system. Since their regional system, providing water from Lake Huron, was not completed, city and county officials decided to provide water to Flint residents from the Flint river. Anyone who lives in Michigan knows that the Flint river was heavily polluted in the past from industrial processes. Although since cleaned up, toxins are still leaching out of the Flint river.
    Lead was leaching from the present piping infrastructure because the city chose not to spend $50.00 per day for anti-leaching chemicals. Once again, this was a city officials’ decision.
    Michigan’s governor and state officials had nothing to do with the decision to use water from the Flint river. It was city and county officials that made the decision.
    Flint has since reconnected to the Detroit water system.
    Of course, politics figures into this as the Democrat city and county officials do not want to take blame for their own shortsightedness and stupidity.
    Note that Detroit has the best water in the country.

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  397. @anarchyst

    Flint is basically half ghost-town. The middle-class moved out in the 1980′s and the population dwindled down to retired whites on a set income, poor blacks, deadbeat whites, some public teachers and service sector types.

    You can be sure that if it were Manhattan, the Beltway or Malibu the situation would have been international news.

    But not all citizens are equal.

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  398. anarchyst says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Actually it was international news…the democRATS blaming the republican governor all the way down to the republican politicians–who actually had nothing to do with the fiasco. Flint residents were screwed by their own democRAT politicians who attempted to shift the blame off of themselves.

  399. bucky says:
    @Okechukwu

    Well, currently European technology and European altruism is driving a very unfortunate population boom in Africa. The natural environment in African can’t support a tenth of the people coming out of there.

    Humans are also shaped by their environments for generations. African impulsivity and criminality is probably a relic of their environment as well.

    Take a group of Africans and plop them into Europe and will they create great things? Maybe in a thousand years as they adapt to the environment. But in the near-term, they will only create destruction, because their behavior is adapted for African conditions.

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  400. bucky says:
    @anarchyst

    Can we get a photo of the local officials who made the decision?

    Flint also is because African populations degrade any locale. The high costs of having to deal with Africans prevents anything from being done.

  401. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    The Cold War was partially fake.

    Haha. Okay, sure.

    Yes right, hence Rhodesia faced sanctions? That is why Britain would not accept the Rhodesian declaration of independence in 1967 until voting was given to blacks. No they did not. They back stabbed Rhodesia and hence Rhodesia lost.

    Do you know anything about realpolitik? Colonialism was dead by the 1960′s. Not only that, the kind of colonialism practiced in Rhodesia, which harkened back to the 19th century, was noxious. No sane country was going to support it openly and officially. Even Apartheid South Africa didn’t grant official recognition to Rhodesia. In fact not one single country on earth recognized Rhodesia. Unofficial support, however, is another matter. You keep flapping your gums about the dark machinations of nebulous and omniscient global elites yet you don’t have the imagination to consider that Britain may have done some things for global consumption while doing other more meaningful things clandestinely.

    Nope they had no interest in the African interior until much later.

    I have already demonstrated abundantly that this is demonstrably false. Africa was a much harder nut to crack than the Americas or Australia or even India. Europeans’ avowed interest in Africa could not match their capabilities. So they were put to tribute by African kings and confined to small coastal trading posts.

    Some of the things you wrote about African kingdoms sure seem impressive. But in India you would be dealing with this.

    I never said ancient India wasn’t impressive in many respects. They had advanced civilizations when Europe was more or less a barbaric backwater.

    Only in your dreams. If they wanted, they would have conquered easily. They were just not interested at that time. They were concentrating on their Asian trade . Asia had far more powerful armies.

    No, dummy. Forget about African military power, which posed a significant deterrent to European ambitions. Disease was also important. Africans being genetically finetuned, largely had immunity to European diseases. These were the same diseases that cleared the path for Europeans in their conquests of other parts of the world. Not only were Africans largely immune, Europeans themselves had much to fear from African diseases like malaria. So as I’ve stated, it was a combination of factors, military resistance being key, that kept Europeans from realizing their manifest destiny aspirations in Africa. And the fact that Europeans were kept at bay so long and colonized Africa so late, meant that their foothold there was rather tenuous, which made them easier to kick out.

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  402. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Racism began from the beginning of time.

    Jesus, you’re a simplistic moron. My reference is to modern racism. Have you read Othello? Othello is subjected to all manner of invective owning to his race, particularly from Iago. But that abuse does not descend to nadir that modern racism would usher in as justification for the African slave trade. The people who hate Othello on account of his race do not believe he is inferior or subhuman or stupid. They hate him because of his outsider status, which is further accentuated by his physical otherworldliness.

    I’ve proven to you that in colonial America of the early 16th century, systemic institutional racism against black people did not exist. The notion that blacks are inferior did not exist. All of that would change later in the century with the onset of the African slave trade as the perpetrators sought to justify their actions to themselves.

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  403. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Haha. Okay, sure.

    Yes it was. Each anad every Communistr evolution was funded by Western banking establishments.

    Colonialism was dead by the 1960′s

    And who killed it? It could have continued as much as possible.

    Not only that, the kind of colonialism practiced in Rhodesia, which harkened back to the 19th century, was noxious.

    No it was not.

    No sane country was going to support it openly and officially

    Why not?

    Even Apartheid South Africa didn’t grant official recognition to Rhodesia. In fact not one single country on earth recognized Rhodesia. Unofficial support, however, is another matter. You keep flapping your gums about the dark machinations of nebulous and omniscient global elites yet you don’t have the imagination to consider that Britain may have done some things for global consumption while doing other more meaningful things clandestinely.

    Britain destroyed Rhodesia. The British establishment worked with Communist countries behind the scenes to destroy Rhodesia. All you “African revolutions” were supported by the same mafia behind the scenes, without which none of your fake African revolutions would have survived.

    Africa was a much harder nut to crack than the Americas or Australia or even India.

    Not true at all. Black Africans were far more primitive than Asians and even some Native Americans.

    They had advanced civilizations when Europe was more or less a barbaric backwater.

    We had advanced civilization for the last 3000 years and even black Africans up to the 1850s were a primitive bunch.

    Disease was also important.

    This is true, I agree on this. But this was most true for primarily Western Africa.

    military resistance being key,

    Not true at all. How much ever your claims about African military strengths (and imaginative computer generated costumes of African warriors on horse backs), Eurasian armies were far more lethal.

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  404. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Have you read Othello?

    Othello is the best you have got? I have quoted Arab scholars from the 14th centoury and we see a classic case of racism. How many black people had Shakespeare seen in his life.

    I’ve proven to you that in colonial America of the early 16th century, systemic institutional racism against black people did not exist. The notion that blacks are inferior did not exist.

    Yes true, the modern form of racism might have emerged later, but slavery is not the main reason for it. Freed blacks were owning other blacks as slaves, how was this possible if slavery and racism are related as you claim.

    http://theweeklychallenger.com/top-10-black-slaveowners/

    Top 10 Black Slaveowners

    For example take
    William (April) Ellison

    In 1862, William Ellison was one of the largest slave owners in South Carolina as well as one of the wealthiest. He was born a slave and was given the name April, after the month in which he was born. He was luckier than most and was bought by a white slave owner named William Ellison, who took the time to educate him. When he was 26 years old, he was freed by his master and began building his expansive cotton plantation. As a free man, he had his name changed to William Ellison, that of his former owner.

    What makes Ellison so despicable and earns him the number-two spot on this list is how he collected his wealth. Ellison was known to have made a large proportion of his money as a “slave breeder.” Breeding slaves was illegal in many Southern states, but Ellison secretly sold almost all females born, keeping a select few for future breeding. He kept many of the young males, as they were considered useful on his plantation. Ellison was known to be a harsh master, and his slaves were almost starved and extremely poorly clothed. He kept a windowless building on his property for the specific purpose of chaining his misbehaving slaves.”

    Also

    Black Slave Owner and Breeder in South Carolina ~ The Interesting Story of William Ellison

    “William Ellison was one of the wealthiest men in the South as well as being a black, former slave. He owned cotton gins, plantations, and 68 slaves. And from accounts of the time, he wasn’t very nice…At the peak of slavery in the United States, large numbers of free Negroes owned black slaves; in fact, in numbers disproportionate to their representation in society at large. In 1860 only a small minority of whites owned slaves. According to the U.S. census report for that last year before the Civil War, there were nearly 27 million whites in the country. Some 8 million of them lived in the slaveholding states. The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves. Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 % of southern whites owning one or more slaves, however, around 30% for free blacks owned slaves).

    In the rare instances when the ownership of slaves by free Negroes is acknowledged in the history books, justification centers on the claim that black slave masters were simply individuals who purchased the freedom of a spouse or child from a white slaveholder and had been unable to legally manumit them. Although this did indeed happen at times, it is a misrepresentation of the majority of instances, one which is debunked by records of the period on blacks who owned slaves. These include individuals such as Justus Angel and Mistress L. Horry, of Colleton District, South Carolina, who each owned 84 slaves in 1830. In fact, in 1830 a fourth of the free Negro slave masters in South Carolina owned 10 or more slaves; eight owning 30 or more.”

    Blacks slave owners were even worse in their treatment of other slaves than Whites slave owners.

    Anthony Johnson, an Angolan sold into slavery to Arabs and then to Whites was one of the earliest slave owners in North America.

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/horrible-fate-john-casor-180962352/

    John Casor, a black man became the first slave to be enslaved FOR LIFE and it was done due to the case taken to court by a free black man Anthony Johnson.

    How was all this possible if modern racism is so closely intertwined with slavery? There are other reasons for modern racism.
    The main reasons for the rise of modern slavery was the observation of the behaviour and other traits of other races as well the rise of an industrial society which was more tuned towards the’ice’ people of the North.

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  405. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Sorry for my harsh words in my other response. I am not denying that African armies fought and defeated European armies in the past, I never denied that. Long ago I was aware of the Ashanti, Zulu etc… as well as the Kongo Kingdom. I was well aware that the Kingdom of the Kongo made independent alliances with European powers (with the Dutch against the Portuguese), hell even sent a petition to the Pope (this was centuries ago) with the Pope taking their side against the Portuguese. I am not denying that Africans had effective military forces.
    But the resistance movements post WW2 were different and not a continuation of the pre 1900 resistance movements. They were funded and created by other forces behind the scenes , who also funded the Irish revolution and revolutions all throughout the world including the Indian “Independence Struggle” and Algerian “Independence Struggle”. Many tribal chiefs had supported the Rhodesian government (they sent a delegation to Britain on it’s behalf) not because they loved to kiss Whitey ass nor because they were forced to by the Rhodesian government. It was because they knew exactly well what kind of forces were driving these so called “independence struggles” and the Rhodesian government was a better alternative for the present moment. Most colonial governments had treaties with African royal families and normally treated them well and their children went to some of the best European schools and universities, schools to which even poor Europeans could never hope to go. Indeed many of the African “revolutionaries” even opposed the traditional royal families. Kwame Nkrumah’s clash with the traditional chiefs is one of the best examples.

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  406. Malla says:
    @Malla

    The main reasons for the rise of modern slavery was the observation of the behaviour and other traits of other races as well the rise of an industrial society which was more tuned towards the’ice’ people of the North.

    Correction. The main reasons for the rise of modern racism was the observation of the behaviour and other traits of other races as well the rise of an industrial society which was more tuned towards the’ice’ people of the North.

  407. Malla says:
    @bucky

    You will find this interesting
    Paul Du Chaillu, the French explorer wrote in his book Ashango-Land Page 225
    “I HAVE been struck with the steady decrease of the population, even during the short time I have been in Africa, on the coast and in the interior ; but before I account for it, let me raise my voice in defence of the white man, who is accused as being the cause of it. Wherever he settles, the aborigines are said to disappear. I admit that such is the case ; but the decrease of the population had already taken place before the white man came ; the white man noticed it, but could not stop it. Populous tribes whom I saw for a second time, and who had seen no white man and his fiery water, have decreased, and this decrease took place before the terrible plague that desolated the land had made its appearance. The blacks themselves acknowledge the decrease. Clans in the life-time of old men have entirely disappeared ; in others, only a few individuals remain.”

    He further writes in his book Asliango-Land, page 435
    “The decrease of the African population is owing to several causes : the slave-trade, death among children, plagues, and witchcraft, the latter taking away more lives than any slave-trade ever did. The negro does not seem to diminish only in the region I have visited ; but in every other part of Africa, travellers, who after the lapse of a few years have returned a second time in the same country, have noticed a decrease of population. . . . The women of the interior are however prolific. The Southern States of America were, I believe, the only country in which the black people is known to have increased.”

    Paul Du Chaillu was a French-American traveler, zoologist, and anthropologist who was himself most probabaly 1/4th black, 3/4th white by ancestry, a quadroon.

    He was sent in 1855 by the Academy of Natural Sciences at Philadelphia on an African expedition. Until 1859, he explored the regions of West Africa in the neighborhood of the equator, gaining considerable knowledge of the delta of the Ogooué River and the estuary of the Gabon. During his travels from 1856 to 1859, he observed numerous gorillas, known to non-locals in prior centuries only from an unreliable and ambiguous report credited to Hanno the Navigator of Carthage in the 5th century BC and known to scientists in the preceding years only by a few skeletons. He brought back dead specimens and presented himself as the first white European person to have seen them.

    A subsequent expedition, from 1863 to 1865, enabled him to confirm the accounts given by the ancients of a pygmy people inhabiting the African forests. Narratives of both expeditions were published, in 1861 and 1867 respectively, under the titles Explorations and Adventures in Equatorial Africa, with Accounts of the Manners and Customs of the People, and of the Chace of the Gorilla, Crocodile, and other Animals; and A Journey to Ashango-land, and further penetration into Equatorial Africa. While in Ashango Land in 1865, he was elected King of the Apingi tribe. A later narrative, The Country of the Dwarfs was published in 1872.

  408. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    The 1300 British troops faced 15,000 Zulu warriors.

    1300 was the number killed, not the total number of British soldiers.

    That is a 10 to one ratio and even with modern guns it is not easy to pull off something like that.

    You’re joking, right? If that had been Indians armed only with spears if the British had fired a few rounds they would’ve scattered. It turns out that the Zulus out-thought, out-strategized and out-fought the British, who given the preponderance of their advantage in weaponry and fighting on open ground had no business losing the battle.

    It is likely that the British underestimated the Zulus and this played a part in their defeat.

    Welcome to warfare. That’s how it often goes. So?

    Only to followed by the Battle of Rorke’s Drift where 150 british soldiers fought off 3000-4000 Zulu warriors with a few with British guns.

    A minor sideshow skirmish which British propagandists elevated in an attempt to lessen the sting of their humiliation at Isandlwana.

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  409. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Black Africa was the single largest source of slaves to the Islamic world.

    No, India was the largest source of slaves. Don’t forget that Muslim conquerors of India not only killed tens of millions hindus, they also enslaved tens of millions. Just as a practical matter, Indians were enslaved en masse and in situ throughout the subcontinent and Central Asia, whereas African slaves had to be transported because the Muslims dared not try to enslave Africans on their own land like they did the Indians.

    Despite their supposed ‘dhimmi’ status, mass slaughter, mass forced conversion and mass enslavement with the resulting forced conversion to Islam were practised throughout Islamic rule and into the 20th century as many demanded the idolaters/polytheists convert or die. Hindu fighters and males were slaughtered with women and children enslaved. Eunuch slavery was practised on young boys.

    Often actual numbers aren’t given, just comments like ‘countless captives/slaves,’ or ‘all the women and children were taken.’ Where numbers are recorded, they are terrifying. Along with people, the Muslims took everything they could—coins, jewels, cloths, clothes, furniture, idols, animals, grain etc or destroyed it.

    http://islammonitor.org/index.php?option=com_content&id=3312:islams-indian-slave-trade-part-i-in-islams-genocidal-slavery-

    Sudan was Christian once. Where are they now?

    The population of Muslim Northern Sudan is absolutely dwarfed by the half billion Muslimized people of the Indian subcontinent.

    Muslims may not have respected black Africans but they sure liked you.

    Muslims reserved a special antipathy for Hindus, which accounts for the savagery of their occupation.

    Mughal India ~ The Biggest Holocaust in World History

    “Hindus are like the mud; if silver is demanded from them, they must with the greatest humility offer gold. If a Mohammadan desires to spit into a Hindu’s mouth, the Hindu should open it wide for the purpose. God created the Hindus to be slaves of the Mohammadans. The Prophet hath ordained that, if the Hindus do not accept Islam, they should be imprisoned, tortured, finally put to death, and their property confiscated.”

    https://www.sikhnet.com/news/islamic-india-biggest-holocaust-world-history

    Muslim lords were pleased with the servility and docility of black Africans. No resistance, no fightback.

    We have copious examples of black slave revolts, including the Zanj rebellion that nearly conquered the Islamic world:

    Middle East

    Zanj forces grew rapidly in size and power, absorbing the well-trained black contingents that defected from the defeated caliphal armies, along with some disaffected local peasantry. In October 869 they defeated a Basran force, and soon afterward a Zanj capital, al-Mukhtārah (Arabic: the Chosen), was built on an inaccessible dry spot in the salt flats, surrounded by canals. The rebels gained control of southern Iraq by capturing al-Ubullah (June 870), a seaport on the Persian Gulf, and cutting communications to Basra, then seized Ahvāz in southwestern Iran. The caliphal armies, now entrusted to al-Muwaffaq, a brother of the new caliph, al-Muʿtamid (reigned 870–892), still could not cope with the rebels. The Zanj sacked Basra in September 871, and subsequently defeated al-Muwaffaq himself in April 872.

    https://www.britannica.com/event/Zanj-rebellion

    Let’s examine just a sampling of black slave rebellions in the new world, shall we?

    Columbia

    African slaves first arrived in the 1520s, as agricultural help and domestics. After the 1560s, slaves were mainly used in mining. By the 1770s, 60% of Colombia was made of free people of color. Numerous runaway slaves formed guarded villages called palenques. Many freed slaves intermarried with the white, indian population producing the complex racial stew of Colombia. Slavery ended in 1851. After slavery Afro-Colombians formed associations called cabildos, which perpetuated the development of Afro-Colombian culture.

    The first slave revolt in Colombia occurred in Santa Marta in 1530. The town was completely burned down by slaves. Rebuilt in 1531, it was burnt down again in another revolt in 1550. In 1545, a group of mining slaves in present day Popayán, escaped from the mines and took over the town of Tofeme. They killed twenty whites and carried off 250 indian hostages to the mountains. In 1555 and 1556, Popayán also experience revolts. A Popayán revolt in 1598, had a devastating impact on Spain. 4,000 slaves destroyed the gold mine of Zaragoza, one of the most profitable and productive mines. In 1557, an expedition led by Juan Meléndez de Valdés retook the mine, and slaves who were recaptured were executed.

    Again in Popayán, in 1732 fugitive slave formed a palenque near the town of Castillo. The local government was unable to destroy the palenque so they declared amnesty, providing no new fugitive slaves were accepted. This requirement was ignored. Because of the latter, in 1745, an expedition was launch to destroy the encampment. The dwellings were destroyed, but the ex-slaves escaped and founded another encampment.

    Brazil

    The Malê revolt (Portuguese: Revolta dos Malês, pronounced [ʁɛˈvɔwtɐ duz maˈle(j)s], [ʁeˈvɔwtɐ duz mɐˈle(j)s], also known as The Great Revolt) is perhaps the most significant slave rebellion in Brazil. On a Sunday during Ramadan in January 1835, in the city of Salvador da Bahia, a small group of black slaves and freedmen, inspired by Muslim teachers, rose up against the government. Muslims were called malê in Bahia at this time, from Yoruba imale that designated a Yoruba Muslim.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal%C3%AA_revolt

    Panama

    One of the most prominent Cimarrones was King Bayano. In 1552, along with a force of up to 1,200 fugitives, Bayano set up a palenque, or slave sanctuary and led a war against the Spaniards for five years. According to historians, the palenque, dubbed Ronconcholon, was democratic in nature and even was home to a mosque for Muslim slaves in the community.

    https://militaryhistorynow.com/2012/07/12/were-not-going-to-take-it-the-bloody-history-of-slave-rebellions/

    The United States

    The American colonies witnessed up to 250 slave uprisings starting in the 1600s and running right up until Emancipation. The largest of these took place in 1811 in New Orleans. Known as the German Coast Uprising, as many as 500 slaves, armed mostly with hand tools were involved in the two-day rampage, which the slaves had been secretly planning for some time. Two settlers were killed and a number of sugar plantations were put to the torch.

    https://militaryhistorynow.com/2012/07/12/were-not-going-to-take-it-the-bloody-history-of-slave-rebellions/

    The Nat Turner Rebellion of 1831 involved only 70 slaves from plantations in Virginia, but as many as 65 white civilians were killed by the insurgency, making it the bloodiest slave revolt in U.S. history. Although the rebellion was put down in a matter of days, up to 200 black slaves who weren’t involved in the rebellion were murdered by militias and angry mobs seeking revenge. The revolt caused widespread panic among slave holders in throughout the South and prompted state governments to prohibit slaves from education as well as pass laws to restrict slaves’ movements. The rebellion also gave local authorities new powers to abuse free blacks.

    https://militaryhistorynow.com/2012/07/12/were-not-going-to-take-it-the-bloody-history-of-slave-rebellions/

    The Stono Rebellion was the largest slave revolt ever staged in the 13 colonies. On Sunday, Sept. 9, 1739, a day free of labor, about 20 slaves under the leadership of a man named Jemmy provided whites with a painful lesson on the African desire for liberty. Many members of the group were seasoned soldiers, either from the Yamasee War or from their experience in their homes in Angola, where they were captured and sold, and had been trained in the use of weapons.

    They gathered at the Stono River and raided a warehouse-like store, Hutchenson’s, executing the white owners and placing their victims’ heads on the store’s front steps for all to see. They moved on to other houses in the area, killing the occupants and burning the structures, marching through the colony toward St. Augustine, Fla., where under Spanish law, they would be free.

    http://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/did-african-american-slaves-rebel/

    Haiti

    Of course no listing of slave rebellions would be complete without mentioning the greatest and most successful slave revolt in human history. Prior to Haiti, every other slave uprising in world history had failed. Spartacus failed. Hindu slaves never even tried to free themselves so of course they failed. But in Haiti, they not only freed themselves they also defeated the three greatest European armies of the time: the French, English and Spanish.

    “Why can’t the Indians and Europeans be like these docile blacks”, they angrily muttered.

    Source? Stop making shit up.

    Are you telling me that the Islamic forces who attacked Persia, Europe and India, went to Africa for picnic. There was virtually no effective black African resistance to the Islamic forces. You guys fell on their feet and submitted to them with awe. LOL. What docility!!!!

    Muslims didn’t fight wars of conquest in Africa. They traded for slaves. In India they conquered and took slaves by force. They knew that approach wouldn’t work in Africa. The African kingdoms were too powerful and they had much respect for African civilizations, while you hindus were regarded as subhuman filth to be squashed under foot.

    Islam itself is a religion that has had instrumental inputs from black/African people from the very beginning. Many of the Prophet Mohammad’s early disciples and associates were black, as were many of the Islamic scholars and jurists who would come after. In that respect it was a black religion and culture that subjugated you hindus.

    Famous Historical Muslims of African/Black Origin

    https://ballandalus.wordpress.com/2013/11/19/famous-historical-muslims-of-africanblack-origin/

    Indians docile and subservient?

    Indians were docile and subservient and the British knew it. Even after slavery was technically abolished, the British continued to export Indian slaves to the far corners of their empire. No other British subjects were chosen, only the meek and servile Indians who seemed to be born for servitude.

    The forgotten story of India’s colonial slave workers who began leaving home 180 years ago

    Girmityas, the slave-like indentured Indian labourers numbering over a million who were taken to work across the colonies of the British Empire.

    Although their names was derived from a corruption of the word “agreement”—the British turned to indentured labour after the slave trade was officially abolished in 1807—they were treated with little dignity. Forced to seek work after famines ravaged large parts of the subcontinent, they were often exploited and overworked, received little medical care and suffered from high mortality rates.

    https://qz.com/india/290497/the-forgotten-story-of-indias-colonial-slave-workers-who-began-leaving-home-180-years-ago/

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  410. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Yes it was. Each anad every Communistr evolution was funded by Western banking establishments.

    So? I doesn’t matter who funded it or allegedly funded it. Marx himself was a German. Communism grew out of Western European thought.

    And who killed it? It could have continued as much as possible.

    The fact that you could fire a gun at a white person and kill him was what killed colonialism. To maintain colonialism white people would either have to be bulletproof or they’d have to affect a total arms embargo of Africa, which was impossible after WWII. Colonialism was on its deathbed worldwide in the aftermath of WWII because that conflict revealed to the entire world that white people could be killed in the multitudes like so many cockroaches. It also put a lie to European pretensions to moral superiority.

    Britain destroyed Rhodesia. The British establishment worked with Communist countries behind the scenes to destroy Rhodesia. All you “African revolutions” were supported by the same mafia behind the scenes, without which none of your fake African revolutions would have survived.

    The African revolutionaries destroyed Rhodesia by force of arms, dummy. In the latter stages of that conflict most of the country were no-go areas for the racist forces. Whites, in fear for their lives, were fleeing en masse, a phenomenon which they themselves called “the chicken run.” The guerrillas had roads heavily mined. They shot down Rhodesia airliners with man-portable shoulder fired missiles, the first force to ever accomplish this. Rhodesians could only travel in convoys escorted by heavily armed troops. In short, the game was up. The only remaining question was how much death, destruction and humiliation the whites were willing to accept before the inevitable loss. The result itself was a foregone conclusion.

    The British did save Rhodesia in the sense that they intervened along with the United States in order to forestall a total defeat and surrender of the Rhodesian forces. The Lancaster House Accords was a face-saving mechanism that allowed Rhodesia to capitulate without seeming to do so. However, the agreement amounted to a Rhodesian surrender in actual fact.

    Not true at all. Black Africans were far more primitive than Asians and even some Native Americans.

    Africans smelted iron and had iron weapons. Native Americans didn’t, which was one of the things that made them ripe for conquest. Africans had organized, centralized polities which could resist European aggression. Native Americans didn’t.

    Africans weren’t necessarily more primitive than Asians at various points in history. Some Asian cultures still lived a stoneage existence well into the 20th century.

    We had advanced civilization for the last 3000 years and even black Africans up to the 1850s were a primitive bunch.

    Only ancient India had a relatively advanced civilization. However, even they were cavemen in comparison to black African civilizations in Nubia and Egypt, whose civilizational timeline goes back 8000 years. Indeed, the Greeks and Romans were also cavemen for thousands of years while these scintillating black civilizations were extant.

    Not true at all. How much ever your claims about African military strengths (and imaginative computer generated costumes of African warriors on horse backs), Eurasian armies were far more lethal.

    So why were they defeated by African armies prior to the late 19th century?

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  411. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Othello is the best you have got?

    Othello was archetypal of the experiences of black people in medieval and renaissance Europe. The scorn, stigmatization and white supremacist ideology effectuated by the African slave trade had yet to take root.

    How many black people had Shakespeare seen in his life.

    Maybe more than a few. Africans and African-descended people were present in Elizabethan-era Europe. You’ll find many depictions of Africans in the artwork and heraldry of the period.

    Black Africans in Renaissance Europe

    This book might come as a surprise for non-specialists, since black Africans are identified with slave trade to the Americas, while the Renaissance is regarded as a purely European phenomenon, centred on a largely homogeneous ethnicity. Neither of these assertions is true, and this excellent book helps to deconstruct such historical stereotypes. Europe received black Africans regularly and in significant numbers from the mid-fifteenth century onwards. The Mediterranean was a cross-cultural and inter-ethnic space even before Classical Greece. The Renaissance reflected not only the rediscovery of classical culture, but also the influx of techniques and ideas brought by the Arabs. Intercontinental navigation revealed simultaneous processes of cultural renovation, which helped to reshape Europe

    https://www.history.ac.uk/reviews/review/619

    A History of Black people in Europe

    It is generally known that black people have been residing in European countries since the early colonial times. But even before the 15th century and during Roman times, a time when colour of skin still wasn’t a racist stigma but just another physical feature, black people lived in Europe. Remains of a man with black African features were found in England recently, dating his life back to the 13th century. Read this article for more info.

    http://afroeurope.blogspot.com/2010/08/history-of-black-people-in-europe.html

    Yes true, the modern form of racism might have emerged later, but slavery is not the main reason for it. Freed blacks were owning other blacks as slaves, how was this possible if slavery and racism are related as you claim.

    The situation was far more complex than that. The law did not explicitly prevent anyone from purchasing slaves in those states where slavery was legal. The small numbers of black slave owners made any amendment of the laws unnecessary. Many black slave owners purchased their relatives. Some purchased women to marry, and failing to emancipate them them legally, those women were counted as slaves as were any children born of the marriage. Some blacks bought slaves in order to emancipate them while others bought slaves in order to work them as chattel. But free blacks, both in the north and south, still lived in the withering racist environment the slave trade had engendered. Free blacks were still subject to the Dred Scott decision, having “no rights a white man was bound to respect.”

    To truly understand when and why modern racism and the attendant degredation of blacks came into being, we have to examine the transformation of indentured servitude to slavery.

    One of the places we have the clearest views of that “terrible transformation” is the colony of Virginia. In the early years of the colony, many Africans and poor whites — most of the laborers came from the English working class — stood on the same ground. Black and white women worked side-by-side in the fields. Black and white men who broke their servant contract were equally punished.

    All were indentured servants. During their time as servants, they were fed and housed. Afterwards, they would be given what were known as “freedom dues,” which usually included a piece of land and supplies, including a gun. Black-skinned or white-skinned, they became free.

    But after awhile the colonialists found indentured servitude too costly and sought a permanent solution of livelong slavery.

    This disorder that the indentured servant system had created made racial slavery to southern slaveholders much more attractive, because what were black slaves now? Well, they were a permanent dependent labor force, who could be defined as a people set apart. They were racially set apart. They were outsiders. They were strangers and in many ways throughout the world, slavery has taken root, especially where people are considered outsiders and can be put in a permanent status of slavery.

    To do away with indentured servitude, which guaranteed freedom after 4-7 years and many benefits thereafter, and to introduce in its stead a system of permanent slavery, required a radical paradigm shift in the way those enslaved persons were regarded. In effect, they needed to be dehumanized.

    The main reasons for the rise of modern slavery was the observation of the behaviour and other traits of other races as well the rise of an industrial society which was more tuned towards the’ice’ people of the North.

    Serfdom existed in Russia in tandem with American slavery. Also during this period Europeans were being enslaved by Barbary Corsairs in North Africa. The Vikings enslaved other Europeans. And slavery has existed for thousands of years in India up to the present day where it has the most people living under modern slavery.

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  412. Okechukwu says:
    @bucky

    Well, currently European technology and European altruism is driving a very unfortunate population boom in Africa. The natural environment in African can’t support a tenth of the people coming out of there.

    How so? Europe and Japan are pretty savvy technologically yet they have the reverse of population booms. Their societies are rapidly aging as they suffer from sub-replacement fertility.

    Altruism? LOL.

    Humans are also shaped by their environments for generations. African impulsivity and criminality is probably a relic of their environment as well.

    Well here’s the thing. One can argue persuasively and present facts to back it up that it is Europeans who are excessively impulsive and criminally inclined.

    Take a group of Africans and plop them into Europe and will they create great things? Maybe in a thousand years as they adapt to the environment. But in the near-term, they will only create destruction, because their behavior is adapted for African conditions.

    You mean like these Africans?

    Britain’s Smartest Family is Black

    Twelve year-old twins, Peter and Paula Imafidon, are black children from Waltham Forest in northeast London. Nicknamed “the Wonder Twins,” Peter and Paula are Great Britain’s highest achievers. At 9-years-old they made history as the youngest children in British history to attend high school.

    The children became the youngest to ever pass the University of Cambridge’s advanced mathematics exam after participating in the Excellence in Education program. They set world records when they passed the A/AS-level math papers. Peter Imafidon, who is also a 100m and 400m relay champ in London, has said that he would like to serve as Prime Minister one day and his sister Paula, a county champion in rugby, would like to teach math. Both students are musicians.

    The twins joined the ranks of their gifted siblings, Anne-Marie Imafidon, who was the pioneering child among the young genii. Now 26 years old, Anne-Marie spoke six languages and graduated from high school at age 10. In 2003, when she was only 13, she was granted a British scholarship to study Mathematics at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland. And at 17, Anne-Marie obtained her Masters Degree from Oxford University.

    Anne-Marie was the youngest person to pass the A-level computing exam. Just last year she was called a “serial world record breaker” in the September 2011 edition of “Higher Education Digest.” Anne-Marie has mentioned that she believes in mentoring children to help them succeed. She is involved in the S.T.E.M. (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math) program to help fulfill the need for math and science female leaders. She is currently working in a high-level position at an international investment bank in the United Kingdom.

    At 11 years old, Christina Imafidon (now 22) was the youngest student in history to attend a British university – the United Kingdom University. Christina is now working as an intern with the Citigroup Corporation as well as conducting research on mathematics with Oxford University.

    Fifteen year-old Samantha Imafidon had passed two high school-level mathematics and statistics exams at age 6. She became the youngest girl in the UK to attend secondary school at the age of 9. Samantha was the sibling who mentored the twins to pass their own math secondary school test when they were also 6 years old. She is a gold level champion in the 100m and 200m relays.

    Dr. Chris Imafidon and Ann Imafidon, their parents, raised the children with a guided discipline. The father emigrated from Edo State, Nigeria to London over 30 years ago. He is currently working as a renowned scholar and international education consultant to several governments. He also serves as a mentor and coach to American students at various academic levels using Skype and web technology.

    His family has been used as a model to improve scholarship in Europe and Asia. He strongly believes that anyone can achieve what he has achieved with his family through a specific model for education. In his own family, if one child had a reading assignment, there was a communal effort. “If you really want a child to learn anything, find out the best way that child learns,” says Imafidon. “Every human being has a unique way of learning.”

    https://cdn.thenigerianvoice.com/story/XGltYWdlc1xjb250ZW50XGFubmVtYXJpZWltYWZpZG9uLmpwZ3w3NzB8NDAwfDgvMTkvMjAxOA==

    Ouch!

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  413. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Many tribal chiefs had supported the Rhodesian government (they sent a delegation to Britain on it’s behalf) not because they loved to kiss Whitey ass nor because they were forced to by the Rhodesian government.

    Now this is cute. You assert that African revolutionaries who wanted to free themselves of the yolk of white supremacy were manipulated by puppet masters. But co-opted, corrupted, compromised and traitorous figurehead puppet “tribal chieftains” were acting for the general good? LOL.

    Look, there are always collaborators. You Indians had quite a large number of them during your own independence struggle against Britain. A handful of Britons could never rule a huge country of 400 million people without a vast network of contemptible, self-hating collaborators. In fact India’s ruling party, the Bharatiya Janata, emerged from Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh movement, which collaborated heavily with the British during India’s freedom struggle.

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  414. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    In Asia even after conquest, Europeans paid for spices and other goods. The main aim of the conquest was to prevent other European powers to trade with that colony and thus have a monopoly. Even after WW2, the Government of Britain paid the government of British India for all the war material India contributed to the Empire in the War. This is even though India was to get independence in two years (it was known at that time) and Britain was quite bankrupt.

    LOL.

    To Understand the Nature of Britain’s Debt to India, We Need to Follow the Money

    The Raj prospered thanks to the economic loot of its richest colony and when the time came to pay up, it demurred

    The passage of time since 1947 has induced a temporal and psychological distance between contemporary India and its colonised past. As a result, many are able to deploy arguments that either extol British rule or diminish its depredations by trading on our ignorance. This problem can be most easily showcased by looking at the story of India’s economic exploitation during the Second World War. A number of recent books have shed light on India’s experience of the two global wars of the twentieth century, but a clear understanding of their economic impact is confined to a few scholars and not yet part of our public understanding. Nevertheless, while the blood and gore of war or the horrors of famine are easier to recognise, the devastation wrought by large-scale financial manipulation is no less significant.

    Wars have a ravenous appetite and a global war simultaneously fought on multiple fronts could not be an exception. Therefore, Britain decided to help itself to Indian resources with no consideration of its effects on India itself. These resources included vast amounts of food, timber and other raw materials and, most important of all, some 2 million Indians as soldiers. The resources that Britain obtained from a poor India were comparable or exceeded that provided by an increasingly prosperous United States. While American materials were provided after Britain signed an agreement on Washington’s terms, the Indian story was rather different. Britain coveted India’s resources but did not want to pay for them. As a result, in lieu of payments for goods and services drawn out of India, Britain held promissory notes that were to be redeemed in the future. This is akin to a customer walking into a grocery store and clearing out the shelves. But instead of paying cash, he writes out a note promising to pay up later. Moreover, he decides to keep this note with himself for safe custody! This is the rather simplified but accurate story of India’s Sterling Balances.

    But if Britain deferred payments, the goods had to nevertheless be purchased in India against a cash payment to individual sellers. It is here that the Reserve Bank of India stepped in to the aid of London and printed a large amount of currency. Thus, between 1940 and 1942, the amount of money in circulation in India more than doubled. The result was an average rate of inflation of a whopping 350%. Rapid and sustained economic inflation is a most regressive form of hidden taxation as it severely and disproportionately penalises the poor. Such inflation coupled with all-round scarcity of goods had a devastating effect on life in India. While the millions of deaths in the Bengal Famine of 1943 was a grim consequence of British policy in India, it was only the grisly tip of a vast iceberg of countrywide sorrow and hardship.

    By the end of the war in 1945, Britain had to finally reckon with the problem of its debt to India and other countries. Thus, while in 1931 it had insisted on the importance of servicing one’s debt, by now British opinion had turned ‘repudiationist’ and advanced a variety of arguments against full payment. This, as a British campaigner for India’s freedom, Reginald Reynolds, argued, was much like the Great Indian Rope Trick – the debt kept growing upwards till it disappeared!

    Britain agreed to pay a debt of Rs. 1600 crore but other calculations showed a rather different figure. In 1947, Kumarappa estimated that the Indian share of the costs of deployment of its soldiers was Rs. 1300 crore. A similar amount of Rs. 1200 crore was spent in expenses pertaining to the war. He argued that these and other costs ought to be borne by Britain, which led to a figure of Rs. 5700 crore which was many times larger than the British figure of Rs. 1600 crore. Britain, Kumarappa asserted, should not be allowed to be the debtor as well as the judge and the jury and he lobbied for India and Pakistan to demand an impartial international tribunal on the matter. In the event, India failed to push for such an international settlement and the British view prevailed much to the detriment of independent India.

    It is well recognised that the 18th century saw the growth of British power on Indian soil and the concomitant loot of India’s wealth. But the story of India’s economic exploitation did not stop till the very end of colonial rule in 1947. Those wishing to argue against even the moral burden of Britain’s colonisation of vast tracts of the world may wish to reckon with the facts of India’s devastation in the 1940’s.

    https://thewire.in/history/britans-debt-to-india-is-a-very-complex-story

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  415. Bucky says:
    @Okechukwu

    I’ve met Africans like you who feel entitled to Europe. Even though you had no part in building it. Because deep down you know that Africa cannot build anything. And so you deny deny and never take responsibility.

    Africa will add the bulk of population growth over the next fifty years because of European medicine and technology. Without this, the natural state of Africa would keep population under control.

    As for this Nigerian prodigy, this is in a white European context and society. They are not succeeding as Nigerians in Nigerian institutions. As Europe becomes more African, you will find that success stories become more rare, and even this Nigerian prodigy will not be able to succeed because of the levels of disorder.

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    , @Okechukwu
  416. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    No, India was the largest source of slaves. Don’t forget that Muslim conquerors of India not only killed tens of millions hindus, they also enslaved tens of millions. Just as a practical matter, Indians were enslaved en masse and in situ throughout the subcontinent and Central Asia, whereas African slaves had to be transported because the Muslims dared not try to enslave Africans on their own land like they did the Indians.

    Your gassing has no end. THE largest sourse of slaves were blacks, you stupid fool So much so that Blacks became synonymous with the Arabic word of slave “Abeed”. Abeed means slaves and most Arabs call black Abeed. A black man meant slave for Arabs and muslims.

    whereas African slaves had to be transported because the Muslims dared not try to enslave Africans on their own land like they did the Indians.

    LOL Dared not enslave Africans? Arabs were in the interior of Africa enslaving blacks. Dared not? Arabs faced primitive tribes, what were they afraid of? They would not face powerful armies like in India. Arab slave raiders were deep inside the interior of Africa. If Europeans had not come in the right moment they would have reached South Africa too.
    Anthony Johnson, the black slave owner above was bought from Arabs and he was from Angola. Where is Angola? It is South in Africa, deep inside Africa. Arabs had reached that south!!!

    Muslims didn’t fight wars of conquest in Africa. They traded for slaves. In India they conquered and took slaves by force. They knew that approach wouldn’t work in Africa. The African kingdoms were too powerful and they had much respect for African civilizations, while you hindus were regarded as subhuman filth to be squashed under foot.

    Again more gas. Arabs conquered Africans with ease. There was no effective resistance. Arabs respected black Africans by calling blacks abeed, or slaves. We do not want that kind of ‘respect’.

    while you hindus were regarded as subhuman filth to be squashed under foot.

    Many muslims considered all non muslims, kuffars as subhuman filth. Indeed Islamic scholars had a high opinion of Hindu civilization. Black Africans were considered apes.

    Most of those slaves were the result of Jihad or Holy War

    The Unknown History of Islam 10 – Atlantic Vs Islamic Slave Trade

    Indeed the Islamic slave trade was far brutal than the Trans Atlantic slave trade. Mortality of slaves in Islamic trade was 80 to 90% as against the transatlantic Slave trade mortality of 10%. Most black men were castrated and black women were used as low level sex slaves.

    Indeed many of those black slaves of the Arab slave trade ended up in India. They still remain in India, pakistan and Sri Lanka and are called Siddis. The Siddi of India, the Sheedi of Pakistan and now the Kaffir of Sri Lanka. There are no cases of Indian slaves in Africa. Indeed these blacks live today at the outskirts of South Asian society poor and miserable, unlike Indians in Africa who have became billionaires and kings.
    The black slaves in South Asia were freed by the White British. Before that the subservient blacks kissed the feet of their Indian masters.

    Islam itself is a religion that has had instrumental inputs from black/African people from the very beginning. Many of the Prophet Mohammad’s early disciples and associates were black, as were many of the Islamic scholars and jurists who would come after. In that respect it was a black religion and culture that subjugated you hindus.

    More afrocentrist gassing. Just because you had the case of an loyal black companion of Muhhamed does not change anything. Islam is no black religion. LOL. The Quran according to Islam came to Prophet Mohammed from angel Gabriel. BTW Mohammed was a White man.

    Muslims reserved a special antipathy for Hindus, which accounts for the savagery of their occupation.

    Obviously they did. Hindus were idol worshipers and thus were hated more than their hatred for Jews and Christians. Secondly unlike black Africans who were subservient and primitive, Hindus had the bad habit of fighting back.

    Indeed as shown by the time the East India company had established itself in India, Hindu Marathas had reconquered most of India back from the Muslims. Same with Sikhs. In black Africa we see no such resistance. Blacks readily became slaves and kissed the feet of their muslim masters.

    Indians were docile and subservient and the British knew it. Even after slavery was technically abolished, the British continued to export Indian slaves to the far corners of their empire. No other British subjects were chosen, only the meek and servile Indians who seemed to be born for servitude.

    Again that is rubbish. the South African Indians were freed after a very short time as it was hard to keep Indians as slaves. As I have already explained that before the ban on slavery in the Caribbean, it is blacks who were taken as slaves because unlike native Americans, blacks were extremely docile and subservient. Europeans were in India from the 1600, why did they not take Indians as slaves? Because they knew that unlike the naturally subservient blacks, Indians could not be enslaved so easily. But once slavery was banned, they took Indians as SERVANTS NOT SLAVES as Indians were more industrious, intelligent unlike the lazy blacks.
    Indentured Indian labourers were not slaves.

    The British designated many Indian populations as Martial Races like the Sikhs, Marathas, Gurkhas, Pathans etc…

    On the other hand, black Africans are an unique people. Enslaved by everyone. By Arabs, by Europeans, by the pigs in my city, you name it. Even the Australian Aborigines and Papuans, the only people on planet Earth, even more primitive than black Africans do not have this remarkable achievement!!!

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  417. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Oh please spare me all that Communist drivel. I can easily prove that Britain’s wealth was not due to any loot in India. Indeed Britain was losing money in the colonies.
    Britain paid India all the money in full even though Britain was nearly bankrupt in it’s war with India. Indeed Prime Minister Nehru’s secretary Bajpai criticized him for spending the money too fast. Britain has protected India as well as all it’s colonies from outside threat as well as internal wars. If Britain charges us to pay for that we will have to pay a fortune. In this task, the world’s most powerful navy, the British navy was at the service. The British Indian army could not be increased in size beyond a certain point except during war to keep taxes low.

    The great American economist Milton Friedman on Colonisation and Slavery

    A student poses a question to Milton Friedman in which he asks for an appraisal of just how exactly the riches that now exist in the so called “capitalist democracies” were obtained and how those countries became so rich so quick. Specifically he asks Friedman to account for the effect that having free labor derived from slavery allowed them to enrich themselves, and how the possession of colonies allowed rich countries to bleed wealth out of their colonial domains. Friedman responds by claiming it’s simply untrue that the wealth that arose in Western countries was due to slavery. Slavery was a disgrace and a blot on the United States’ record, but many rich Western nations did not have slavery. Britain and Japan did not have slaves when they developed and Hong Kong does not have slaves today. He goes onto claim that the facts are against the notion that the wealth was created due to the West exploiting its colonies. The reason people are quick to think so is that they have an ingrained predisposition to see view the world as a zero-sum game where if one man gains the other man looses. In reality a free market allows everyone to gain through mutually beneficial voluntary transactions. When the West colonized Africa they brought with them technology that greatly improved the condition of the people that lived there and actually made them better off. The wheel for example had not even been invented in Africa in the 19th century. As a result of Africa’s contacts with the West their condition improved greatly from what it previously was. To the charge that colonizers bleed wealth from their colonies, Friedman notes that it has always cost the mother country more to maintain its colonies then what was ever received in direct or indirect economic benefit. In the famous case of India, conclusive studies have shown that it cost Britain far more to maintain India then if it had never had it. Furthermore, many Western nations never possessed colonies yet became wealthy despite that fact.

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  418. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Marx himself was a German. Communism grew out of Western European thought.

    Marx was a Jew. Communism is an ideology created to destroy all civilizations but first primarily traditional Western civilization. Communism is a cancer of Western though.

    The African revolutionaries destroyed Rhodesia by force of arms, dummy. In the latter stages of that conflict most of the country were no-go areas for the racist forces. Whites, in fear for their lives, were fleeing en masse, a phenomenon which they themselves called “the chicken run.” The guerrillas had roads heavily mined. They shot down Rhodesia airliners with man-portable shoulder fired missiles, the first force to ever accomplish this. Rhodesians could only travel in convoys escorted by heavily armed troops. In short, the game was up. The only remaining question was how much death, destruction and humiliation the whites were willing to accept before the inevitable loss. The result itself was a foregone conclusion.

    Those African revolutionaries were no revolutionaries but terrorists funded by Wall Street and Communists. They did not win a single battle against the Rhodesian army but scurried away like rats across the border but came back to kill innocent civilians both blacks and Whites.
    Rhodesia would have easily survived had it not been back stabbed by Britain.

    Africans smelted iron and had iron weapons. Native Americans didn’t, which was one of the things that made them ripe for conquest

    This is true. however you have yourself said that weapons are weapons and any weapon can be dangerous. Besides, native Americans readily obtained European weapons themselves very fast.

    Africans had organized, centralized polities which could resist European aggression. Native Americans didn’t.

    What are you smoking? Some Native Americans like the Incas and Aztecs had extremely complicated empires and built complicated huge cities.

    Only ancient India had a relatively advanced civilization. However, even they were cavemen in comparison to black African civilizations in Nubia and Egypt, whose civilizational timeline goes back 8000 years.

    Again you are gassing. India WAS ALWAYS a civilization, ancient India, medieval India pre Islamic as well as Islamic. In India we were writing, philosophy and written language and high art even before the Muslims came.

    Even before Christ was born we had the Mauryan Empire, an Empire far from being the oldest. it was a civilization which nearly ruled all of India.

    Great mathematicians like Aryabhatt had invented the Zero

    Even during late medieval period, great literature was written in India such as Amuktamalyada, Bhaktamal, Gita Govinda, Prabandha Kosha, Prithviraj Raso while most blacks did not even have a written language. The only non Arabised blacks who had a civilization at this time were the Ethiopians.

    Egypt 8000 years huh!!! Firstly the race of Egypt is controversial but even if we assume that it was sub saharan black, giving you the benefit of doubt. Indian texts talk of civilization from 20000 years ago and even earlier. There is even Hinduvadi claims that Egypt was an outpost of Indian civilization but I am not getting into that yet.

    And as far as cave dwellers. LOL By the time Arabs and Europeans came to the African interior, most African kings and chiefs lived in mud huts and shit huts while our kings lived in huge citadels and palaces by the time the Islamic invasion happened. Our peasants lived like your chiefs and kings. LOL. Who is the cave dwellers now?

  419. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    In fact India’s ruling party, the Bharatiya Janata, emerged from Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh movement, which collaborated heavily with the British during India’s freedom struggle.

    Yes that is true. yet now they spread hatred against Whites and the British in particular now a days. They also spread hatred against Muslims and Indian Christians as well as the Chinese. The RSS was created by the secret services, all controlled by Jewish bankers like Rothschild. Even the British Indian national Congress which got our independence was created by the British. Lord Montague, the Jewish Indian Secretary of State, wrote in his Montague Clemsford report in the 1920s that the British government would itself create Indian nationalism and self destroy the British Government.
    Besides after the British Empire put restrictions on Wall Street/ American trade within the US Empire, the USA got into the act too to destroy the British Empire.

    But co-opted, corrupted, compromised and traitorous figurehead puppet “tribal chieftains” were acting for the general good

    Yes they were acting for the general good. They knew the dangers of the terrorists, er.. ‘revolutionaries’ and who was funding them and why.

  420. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    Othello was archetypal of the experiences of black people in medieval and renaissance Europe.

    Othello was a Moorish ambassador not a resident. There is controversy about his race, if he is sub Saharan African or Arab etc…

    Maybe there were a few blacks in pre 1600 Europe but not many. Europe was predominantly White. But I still do not get it if racism was to be invented for slavery why were free blacks allowed to own slaves as late as the 1800s. I agree many free blacks bought their relatives and in some cases even friends to free them, but these would not become big slave owners. They would just buy their loved ones and would free them. The list I have posted above are free black men who owned many slaves and do not fall into the category of those guys who bought their relatives to free them. And such free black slave owners existed all the way into the 1800s. I would have guessed racism to justify slavery would have been institutionalized by then, but we still see big slave owning blacks.

    And as far as racism goes, blacks always had their helpers and White people who took their cause. indeed more so than their own people.


    The little boy is saying: “Please ‘M, aint we black enough to be cared for?”

    “Charles Darwin’s uncle a factory owner Josiah Wedgewood owned a business that worked white children of 5 years of age in a chemical factory permeated with lead oxide a deadly poison. Wedgewood acknowledged that the lead made the children very subject to disease but worked them anyway.
    Ruth Holland commenting on the participation of New England factory owners in the cause of abolitionism and rights for negroe’s in the south observed,it’s a little difficult to believe that northern mill owners who where mercilessly abusing white children for profit,felt such pure moral indignation at the negro slavery. from a previous slave “when I was a boy” recalled Walter McIntosh, who had been a slave in Sumter, South Carolina”we used to sing, Rather be a nigger than a poor white man”Tarquin 1488 pel,

    Serfdom existed in Russia in tandem with American slavery. Also during this period Europeans were being enslaved by Barbary Corsairs in North Africa. The Vikings enslaved other Europeans.

    Of course slavery existed from the beginning of time. People of all kind have been enslaving each other. Even the caste system in India can be considered a type of slavery for the lower castes.

  421. Malla says:
    @Okechukwu

    1300 was the number killed, not the total number of British soldiers.

    My wrong, the British strength was 1837. Does not change the fact that they faced 15,000 Zulu warriors, nearly a 10 to 1 ratio.

    You’re joking, right? If that had been Indians armed only with spears if the British had fired a few rounds they would’ve scattered.

    Again more gas and projection. 15000 Sikhs with spears would have easily defeated 15000 Zulus any day.

    As far as all that gas about black bravery lets see

    IN their warfare, cunning has a most important part. They laugh at the courage of the white man, who faces his enemy, and delight most in ambushes and sudden surprises. If one has a quarrel with another, he lies in wait for him, shoots him as he is passing by the way, and immediately retreats. Then, of course, the dead man’s friends take up his quarrel ; then ensue other ambushes and murders ; frequently a dozen villages are involved in the palaver, and the killing and robbing goes on for months and even years, each party acting as occasion offers.” Du Chaillu’s
    Equatorial Africa, page 195.

    The warriors of this part of Africa with the exception of the Fans and Osheba are not overstocked with courage. They applaud tricks that are inhumanly cruel and cowardly, and seem to be quite incapable of open hand-to-hand fight. To surprise man, woman, or child in sleep, and kill them then ; to lie in ambush in the woods for a single man, and kill him by a single spear thrust before he can defend himself; to waylay a woman going to the spring for water, and kill her ; or to attack on the river a canoe much smaller and weaker than the attackers, these are the warlike feats I have heard most praised, and seen oftenest done in this part of Africa.” Du Chaittu’s Equatorial Africa, page 131.

    In war, they show no bravery, although on the hunt they are certainly brave enough. They despise boldness and admire cunning ; prefer to gain by treachery, if possible ; have no mercy or consideration for the enemy’s women and children ; and are cruel to those who full in their power.” Du Chaillu’s Equatorial Africa page 379.

    Besides cowardice, their principal fault is thieving, a disposition which they never fail to evince ; and nothing comes amiss to them, from wholesale robbery to petty prigging. Like the true coward, too, they are bullies when they meet those more timid than themselves.”
    Hutchinsorfs Africa, Vol. II., page 22.

    ” About two o’clock, as I was lying asleep upon a bullock’s hide behind the door of the hut, I was awakened by the screams of women, and a general clamor and confusion among the inhabitants. At first I suspected that the Bambawans had actually entered the town ; but observing my boy upon the top of one of the hits, I called to him to know what was the matter. He informed me that the Moors were come a second time to steal the cattle, aid that they were now close to the town. I mounted the roof of the hut, and observed a large herd of bullocks coming toward the town, followed by five Moors on horseback, who drove the cattle forward with their muskets. When they had reached the wells, which are close to the town, the Moors selected from the herd sixteen of the finest beasts, and drove them off at a gallop. During this transaction the town people, to the number of five hundred, stood collected close to the walls of the town ; and when the Moors drove the cattle away, though they passed within pisol-shot of them, the inhabitants scarcely made a show of resistance. I saw only four muskets fired, which, being loaded with
    gunpowder of the negroes’ own manufacture, did no execution.”
    Mungo Park’s 1st Journal, page 85.

    These unfortunate people seldom think of defending their habitations, but rather give them up, and by that means gain time to escape.” Denham and Clappertoris Africa, Vol. II., page 121.

    “It is only self-interest that makes the African brave. I have seen a small cow, trotting up with tail erect, break aline of one hundred and fifty men carrying goods not their own.” Burton’s
    Africa, page 242.

    It is confidently stated by the missionaries that the King of Kongo raised the incredibly large army of nine hundred thousand men. They say very little, however, for the bravery or discipline of this immense army, when they add that the main division of it was entirely routed by four hundred Portuguese musketeers.” Wilson’s Africa, page 322.

    ” I was fortunately enabled to buy two camels instead of oxen, which give great trouble on the road during the dry season, especially if not properly attended to, and prepared everything for my journey ; but the people in these countries are all cowards, and as I was to go alone without a caravan, I was unable to find a good servant.” Bartls Africa, Vol. I., page 503.

    ” I witnessed their drill exercise a short time before leaving Fort Royal, and it was truly amusing. During the exercises, they practised them in the manual of arms, and loading and firing blank cartridge ; and when the command, ‘ Fire,’ was given, nearly one half of the line squatted and dropped down, frightened at the noise of the guns in their own hands. I also conversed with sev-
    eral of them. They told me they never expected it of the Yankees to make them fight ; that they could not fight ; ‘ Me drap right down gone dead, I get so skeered
    .” Correspondence of a
    Michigan officer to the National Intelligencer, August 13, 1862.

    Of the negroes at Harper’s Ferry, and especially of those negroes who were more immediately concerned with John Brown n his Harper’s Ferry raid, and who were afterward captured and punished, the general newspaper accounts of that time concur in representing them all (so very unlike their fearless but misguided Anglo-American leaders) as the complete victims of cowardice and trepidation. Thus :

    ” The blacks made no resistance, but begged for mercy. . . They ran with all the swiftness that their fears could excite. . . . Green, the negro, is a large man, with a very bad countenance and expression, and a most arrant coward. He cringes and begs to every person who approaches him.”

    How the negro troops behaved on the occasion of the attempt to blow up Petersburg, Virginia, on the 30th of July, 1864, may be seen by reference to the following Federal account from the regular army correspondent of a New York newspaper :
    The rebels, exasperated at sight of the negroes, fought with the fury of devils, and, reinforcements coming to their aid, the tide of battle turned. The colored troops gave way and broke in confusion, when the rebels, having repulsed their charge, charged them in turn, and then they ran, a terror-stricken, disordered mass of fugitives, to the rear of our white troops. In vain their officers endeavored to rally them with all the persuasion of tongue, sabre, and pistol. Whatever discredit attaches to the negroes themselves, their white officers are beyond reproach.”

    LOL LOL LOL I had a laugh reading this.
    I take that back.
    15000 Sikh, Pathan or Maratha warriors with spears sent to an African kingdom and the blacks would have run leaving their huts and tribal territory behind. 15000 Gurkas with spears and the blacks would have bowed down and become slaves. Just ask the Arabs. LOL

    A minor sideshow skirmish which British propagandists elevated in an attempt to lessen the sting of their humiliation at Isandlwana.

    Your comment shows this battle gave you a sting. No, not really. 4000 Zulus did not go for a side show. Also, the blacks in the British army ran away like pussies when the saw the Zulu army. 100 British soldiers stayed behind and beat 4000 Zulu warriors. Something like that does not need to be elevated.

  422. Malla says:
    @Bucky

    As they say ‘The Road to hell is paved with Good Intentions’.

  423. Malla says:

    From the horses Mouth. As I was saying all along. This whole black revolutionary movement and anti apartheid was to be about the spread of Communism.

    “In South Africa, nearly a year later, the problems were different, but Gene’s approach was basically the same. The Communist Party was emerging from a prolonged factional fight in which the all-white leadership and predominantly white membership had been charged with racism. In 1931 the Comintern had intervened from Moscow and the leadership, headed by Rebecca Bunting and her husband, were expelled. Their influence remained, however, and the issues were still being debated. The Buntings had rejected the primacy of the racial and national questions for South Africa. They opposed the Comintern’s goal for an Independent Native Black Republic with “guarantees for the white minority.” They had argued this would “favor a black race dictatorship that would turn the exploited whites into a subjected race.” The Buntings claimed that not a national liberation struggle of the Native Black majority was the strategic goal, but the establishment of socialism by the proletariat–black and white.
    Peggy Dennis, The Autobiography of an American Communist: A Personal View of a Political Life 1925-1975

    https://nithgrim.wordpress.com/2015/07/22/the-primacy-of-the-racial-question-1931/

  424. Okechukwu says:
    @Bucky

    I’ve met Africans like you who feel entitled to Europe. Even though you had no part in building it. Because deep down you know that Africa cannot build anything. And so you deny deny and never take responsibility.

    This is all in your mind. I don’t feel I’m entitled to anything, nor does any African I’ve ever come across.

    Africa will add the bulk of population growth over the next fifty years because of European medicine and technology. Without this, the natural state of Africa would keep population under control.

    Whatever dude. Just get on with your miserable life. The natural state of Europe was famine, anarchy, filth, ignorance and squalor until they set sail and began to rape and exploit the rest of the world for resources. Resources which enabled their wealth to increase exponentially and their population to explode. Without said looted resources the population of Europe might today be a tenth of its present size.

    As for this Nigerian prodigy, this is in a white European context and society.

    Irrelevant. Remember your original proposition as follows:

    Take a group of Africans and plop them into Europe and will they create great things? Maybe in a thousand years as they adapt to the environment. But in the near-term, they will only create destruction, because their behavior is adapted for African conditions.

    Don’t go moving the goalposts when, inevitably, I destroy your arguments with cold, hard incontrovertible facts.

    They are not succeeding as Nigerians in Nigerian institutions.

    Tell that to these Nigerian billionaires.

    20 Nigerian Billionaires + Richest People in Nigeria for 2018

    https://www.profitableventure.com/richest-people-in-nigeria/

    As Europe becomes more African, you will find that success stories become more rare, and even this Nigerian prodigy will not be able to succeed because of the levels of disorder.

    Let me guess, you want Europeans to colonize and dominate Africa but you don’t want Africans in Europe. Well those days are over. At least Africans don’t go to Europe guns blazing, murdering and thieving. That was the European model. Africans go to Europe to study and work, while obeying all the relevant laws. In fact many Africans in Europe are simply following their looted wealth, while at the same time escaping the dysfunction wrought by European colonialists and neo-colonialists.

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    , @Bucky
  425. Bucky says:
    @Okechukwu

    I’m not moving goalposts. You brought up an outlier. But population dynamics are what matter, not singular outliers. A single family does not equal a group. Group dynamics would be nation level populations, and the nation of Nigeria is not a desirable place to live for anyone else.

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  426. Bucky says:
    @Okechukwu

    Btw, lol at “obeying relevant laws”

    Black criminality in Europe is at similar rates as America. 700% per capita disparity. African impulse control sucks because Africans don’t have the cognitive capability.

    And wow talk about not taking responsibility. Africans are always making excuses for why their countries suck. Now you’re even claiming that everything in Europe is yours. You’re not even recognizing the destruction that your people cause with their 700% per capita crime disparity. You keep on demanding Europeans to repent for their sins but never acknowledge any of your own. That is *the* typical pattern for Africans.

    Africans always had the resources, but they never had the know-how. Because they never had the discipline or the organization. Just like they don’t have any conscientiousness to keep their population levels under control.

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  427. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Your gassing has no end. THE largest sourse of slaves were blacks, you stupid fool So much so that Blacks became synonymous with the Arabic word of slave “Abeed”. Abeed means slaves and most Arabs call black Abeed. A black man meant slave for Arabs and muslims.

    That just wasn’t possible logistically since African slaves were being transported from Africa whereas Muslims arrived in India and went about either killing or enslaving the entire population. We have accounts from Muslim primary sources of the vast scale of Indian slavery. In fact Indian slaves were so numerous that a sort of commodity deflation occurred, as the market for them crashed and they could be had for mere a pittance:

    Islam and Slavery: India

    “slaves were so plentiful that they became very cheap; men…were degraded….but this is the goodness of god, who bestows honours on his own religion and degrades infidelity”. (Muslim chronicler Utbi on Sultan Subuktigin of Ghazni’s slave raid [942-997] in Sookdheo p166)

    https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012/07/01/islam-and-slavery-india/

    Some individual Muslim masters owned hundreds of thousands of Indian slaves.

    Sultan Firoz Shah Tughlaq (1351-1388) had 180,000 slaves (he collected young males) including 40,000 guards of his palace. He told his fief-holders and officers to capture slaves whenever they were at war and send him the best. (Sookdheo p165-167, Lal [c] p 542)

    https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012/07/01/islam-and-slavery-india/

    Imagine, hundreds of thousand of slaves under one owner and not one of them showed a spark of resistance.

    Arab slavers in Africa collaborated with African rulers as equals. But in India, Arab slavers degraded and humiliated Indian rulers.

    When Sultan Mahmud (997-1030) brought Hindu King Jaipal of Kabul to Ghanzi and subjected him to extreme humiliation, Jaipal jumped into a fire. (Khan p 291). Balban (about 1260) brought Hindu leading men and men of position, bound, shackled and chained to Delhi where Sultan Nasiruddin had the leading men executed –rendering others ‘tamed.’ (Lal [c] p 542)

    https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2012/07/01/islam-and-slavery-india/

    LOL Dared not enslave Africans? Arabs were in the interior of Africa enslaving blacks. Dared not? Arabs faced primitive tribes, what were they afraid of? They would not face powerful armies like in India. Arab slave raiders were deep inside the interior of Africa. If Europeans had not come in the right moment they would have reached South Africa too.

    Let’s stick to the facts, shall we? There’s no evidence that Arab slavers took African slaves as war booty as they did in India. The Arab slave trade in Africa was done in collaboration with African rulers. It was transactional, as the Arabs simply insinuated themselves into the slave industry that already existed there. Arabs were not dumb enough to try to conquer these African kingdoms and castrate their rulers like they did in India. Funnily, India also had a thriving indigenous slave enterprise. But the Arabs chose to overturn it and impose their own harsh system of slavery. That demonstrates the complete lack of respect and regard they had for hindus.

    Like the Europeans, Arabs mainly stayed on the coasts and TRADED</i> for African slaves. There isn’t a single recorded conquest (or even invasion) by Arabs of any part of Sub-Saharan Africa.

    NO ARABS INVADED SUB-SAHARAN AFRICA BECAUSE NO ARABS COULD HAVE. THE AFRICAN IMPERIAL MILITARIES WERE TOO STRONG.

    These empires, defended when necessary by hundreds of thousands of warriors, and having their centralized political and administrative organization, were much too powerful for a single traveler, thousands of miles from home, to try any sort of violence against them.

    The Empire of Ghana was defended by two hundred thousand warriors, forty thousand of them archers. Its power and reputation, renowned as far as Baghdad in the East, were no mere legend: it was actually a phenomenon attested to by the fact that for 1250 years a succession of Black emperors occupied the throne of a country as vast as all of West Asia, with no enemy from without nor any internal tensions able to dismember it.

    AFRICAN EMPIRES WERE SO STRONG, THAT FAR FROM INVADING THEM, THE ARABS ASKED THEM FOR HELP!

    The might of the Empire of Mali was such that the Arabs at times called on it for military aid. Such was the case, according to Khaldun, of El Mamer, who fought the Arabo-Berber tribes from the region or Uargla, in the North Sahara. He appealed to Kankan Mussa, on the latter’s return from Mecca, to come to his aid militarily.

    ANY ARAB TRAVELER TO SUCH VAST, MIGHTY EMPIRES COULD ONLY HAVE BEEN A SUBJECT, OR AT BEST, A GUEST OF THE RULER.

    A passage from Ibn Battuta, who visited that very Empire of Mali, clearly reveals the state of mind and the pride of Africans of this period (1352). The border regions of the Empire, such as Ualata, at the edge of the Sahara, were governed by Black farbas who levied customs duties and other taxes on Arab caravans bringing merchandise into the country. Upon arrival, the merchants had to clear administrative formalities with them, before being allowed to carry on their trade. It was in such circumstances that Ibn Battuta, accompanying one of these caravans, met the farba of Ualata, Hussein.

    “Our merchants stood up in his presence and, even though they were close to him, he spoke to them through a third person. This was a mark of the little consideration he had for them and I was so unhappy at this that I regretted bitterly having come to a country whose inhabitants display such bad manners and give evidence of such contempt for [Arab] men.”

    In actuality, when far from their homeland, the Arabs were often led by their isolation to adapt to the African milieu. Some of them thus traditionally took on the role of jesters at royal African courts. Though never before emphasized, this aspect of the relations between the two cultures was no less ancient or general. Khaldun thus relates the story of two Arab courtiers, Abu-Ishac el Toneijen-El-Mamer, who were part of Mansa Musa’s entrourage on his return from Mecca.

    “We were part of the royal cortège and even outranked the viziers and heads of state. His Majesty listened with pleasure to the tales we told him and, at each stopping-place, he rewarded us with several kinds of foods and sweets.”

    https://selfuni.wordpress.com/2015/03/30/diop-arabislamic-invasion-of-africa-a-figment-of-the-imagination/

    Indeed the Islamic slave trade was far brutal than the Trans Atlantic slave trade. Mortality of slaves in Islamic trade was 80 to 90% as against the transatlantic Slave trade mortality of 10%.

    It was brutal, yes, but black slaves had opportunities for upward mobility in Islamic slavery, unlike the racialized Atlantic slave trade (Muslims enslaved everybody regardless of race). In the Islamic world many black slaves and sons of daughters of black slaves rose positions of prominence.

    More afrocentrist gassing. Just because you had the case of an loyal black companion of Muhhamed does not change anything. Islam is no black religion.

    Facts are facts.

    24 of the Most Influential Black Muslims in History

    https://atlantablackstar.com/2014/09/29/24-of-the-most-influential-black-muslims-in-history/2/

    Hindus had the bad habit of fighting back.

    Gee, I wonder why Muslims didn’t try to enslave Africans on their own soil like they did to you Indians. Rather, Muslims were put to tribute by African kings and even served as court jesters. LOL.

    In black Africa we see no such resistance. Blacks readily became slaves and kissed the feet of their muslim masters.

    Once again, my historically illiterate hindu friend, there was no Muslim conquest of black Africa. Muslims knew the Africans weren’t pushovers like the Indians. It was peace through strength.

    Again that is rubbish. the South African Indians were freed after a very short time as it was hard to keep Indians as slaves

    LOL. Indians were slaves in South Africa until the practiced was abolished by the British in 1833. In fact all slaves were emancipated throughout the British empire. As usual, the obsequious, sycophantic Indians accepted their bondage with equanimity, perhaps lamenting the British abolition of slavery.

    As I have already explained that before the ban on slavery in the Caribbean, it is blacks who were taken as slaves because unlike native Americans, blacks were extremely docile and subservient.

    You’re debating the wrong guy, bruh. You must love getting your ass kicked.

    Europeans didn’t just displace Native Americans—they enslaved them

    Between 1670 and 1715, more [American] Indians were exported into slavery through Charles Town than Africans were imported.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/01/native_american_slavery_historians_uncover_a_chilling_chapter_in_u_s_history.html

    Europeans were in India from the 1600, why did they not take Indians as slaves?

    That’s because at that time India was ruled by the Muslim Mughal Empire, which had already enslaved India. It would have been a different story had the Europeans encountered supine, prostrating hindus.

    But once slavery was banned, they took Indians as SERVANTS NOT SLAVES as Indians were more industrious, intelligent unlike the lazy blacks.

    Oh, really?

    During colonial time many Indians were taken into different parts of the world as slave by British Raj. Slavery was abolished in the British Empire with the passage of the Slavery Abolition Act 1833 and criminalized in the British Raj in the Indian Penal Code of 1861.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_India

    After the abolition, indentured servitude, a form of de facto slavery, was so widespread among Indians that the British government keeps a national archive of records where people can search for information on these Indian servants. And what keywords are recommended for these searches?

    The best way to start is to search our catalogue using keywords. Try using the keyword ‘Indian’ plus terms such as:

    coolie

    labour, labourer

    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/indian-indentured-labourers/

    Correct me if I’m wrong but it seems to me that even a trained monkey can perform these roles. So Indians were not selected for their industriousness and intelligence, as you suggest, but rather for their submissiveness, servility and near total lack of self-respect.

    Indentured labour from South Asia (1834-1917)

    After the abolition of slavery, newly free men and women [black people] refused to work for the low wages on offer on the sugar farms in British colonies in the West Indies.

    http://www.striking-women.org/module/map-major-south-asian-migration-flows/indentured-labour-south-asia-1834-1917

    So they brought in the Indians who of course had no pride or self-esteem or ambition and were willing to do the slave labor that newly freed former black slaves refused to do.

    These Indians were a much lower class of humans than the newly freed blacks, as described here:

    The indentured workers sought to escape poverty and famines that were a frequent occurrence during the period of British colonial rule in India. But given the high levels of illiteracy, few workers understood the terms of the contract they put their thumb imprint to (in lieu of a signature, as they could not write). Many were commonly misled about where they were departing for and the wages they would receive.

    http://www.striking-women.org/module/map-major-south-asian-migration-flows/indentured-labour-south-asia-1834-1917

    Moreover, Indian indentured servants experienced slave-like conditions even before they arrived at destination:

    The journey took between 10 and 20 weeks, depending on the destination. Conditions on the ships were similar to those on slave ships. In 1856-57, the average death rate for Indians travelling to the Caribbean was 17% due to diseases like dysentery, cholera and measles. After they disembarked, there were further deaths in the holding depot and during the process of acclimatisation in the colonies (Tinker, 1993).

    http://www.striking-women.org/module/map-major-south-asian-migration-flows/indentured-labour-south-asia-1834-1917

    Upon arrival…

    The conditions at work were harsh, with long working hours and low wages. Given the weak physical condition of the labourers after the long voyage, this took its toll. Available records indicate that the annual mortality rate for Jamaica in 1870 was 12%, and little changed over the years, as thirty years later the same figure was common for Mauritius. Children were expected to work alongside their parents from the time they were 5 years old.

    In an interview he gave to Fiji Sun, Hausildar, an ex-indentured worker remembered: “We were whipped for small mistakes. If you woke up late, i.e. later than 3am, you got whipped. No matter what happened, whether there was rain or thunder you had to work – we were here to work and work we had to do, otherwise we were abused and beaten up” (Fiji Sun, 1979, cited in Carter and Torabully, 2002: 90-91).

    Between 1895 and 1902, several thousand Indian indentured labourers helped build the Kenya-Uganda Railway, and rail construction projects also brought Indian ‘coolies’ to Kenya and to Natal (South Africa). An estimated seven percent of the indentured workers who built the Kenya-Uganda Railways died during their contract, according to historian Hugh Tinker (1993). Man-eating lions also attacked the rail construction brigades on several occasions, killing around one hundred workers.

    http://www.striking-women.org/module/map-major-south-asian-migration-flows/indentured-labour-south-asia-1834-1917

    On a continent overflowing with black Africans, the British nevertheless went well out of their way to import the spineless Indians to do this work, which I submit to you, was slavery in all but name.

    On the other hand, black Africans are an unique people. Enslaved by everyone. By Arabs, by Europeans, by the pigs in my city, you name it.

    But even after the technical abolition of slavery, when the British needed slave labor in their colonies (even in their African colonies) they knew where to look, didn’t they? They looked to India.

  428. Okechukwu says:
    @Bucky

    I’m not moving goalposts. You brought up an outlier. But population dynamics are what matter, not singular outliers. A single family does not equal a group.

    They’re only outliers in the sense that they are outliers in British society generally. There are certainly many other successful blacks in Britain. Look it up. You’re on the Internet.

  429. Okechukwu says:
    @Bucky

    Black criminality in Europe is at similar rates as America. 700% per capita disparity. African impulse control sucks because Africans don’t have the cognitive capability.

    I don’t think so.

    Eastern European criminals blamed for surge in migrant offences

    Eastern European criminals see Britain as “rich pickings” and are thought to be behind a surge in offences committed by migrants last year.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9475500/Eastern-European-criminals-blamed-for-surge-in-migrant-offences.html

    Eastern European immigrants carry out tenth of crime

    A tenth of all crime in some parts of Britain is now committed by eastern European immigrants, shocking new figures reveal.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-413985/Eastern-European-immigrants-carry-tenth-crime.html

    Gang Länder

    Professional crime gangs from eastern Europe are targeting German cities

    https://www.economist.com/europe/2013/07/13/gang-lander

    Eastern European mafia is well-connected in the West

    https://www.dw.com/en/eastern-european-mafia-is-well-connected-in-the-west-says-leading-expert/a-5359844

    But it’s okay because they’re white, right? LOL.

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  430. Bucky says:
    @Okechukwu

    Just because Eastern Europeans are a problem does not mean that black crime is not a problem.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom

    Read through it yourself. But the disparity exists, and this is without the legacy of slavery as exists in America. Without that excuse, the explanation then turns to innate propensities.

    • Replies: @Okechukwu
  431. Okechukwu says:
    @Malla

    Oh please spare me all that Communist drivel. I can easily prove that Britain’s wealth was not due to any loot in India. Indeed Britain was losing money in the colonies. Britain paid India all the money in full even though Britain was nearly bankrupt in it’s war with India.

    LOL. You’re the kind of despicable Uncle Tom that sold India down the river to British imperialists.

    Rather than a toadying, self-hating Indian white nationalist like yourself, let’s listen to Shashi Tharoor, a righteous, self-respecting Indian patriot:

    Shashi Tharoor interview: How British Colonialism ‘destroyed’ India

    A student poses a question to Milton Friedman in which he asks for an appraisal of just how exactly the riches that now exist in the so called “capitalist democracies” were obtained and how those countries became so rich so quick. Specifically he asks Friedman to account for the effect that having free labor derived from slavery allowed them to enrich themselves, and how the possession of colonies allowed rich countries to bleed wealth out of their colonial domains. Friedman responds by claiming it’s simply untrue that the wealth that arose in Western countries was due to slavery. Slavery was a disgrace and a blot on the United States’ record, but many rich Western nations did not have slavery.

    Well then Friedman was an idiot and so are you. Colonialism in many respects was worse than slavery because it bestowed not only free labor but also treasure. Even the industrial revolution in Britain would not have been possible without the stolen wealth from Britain’s colonial possessions, including wealth looted from India. Notice that not all of Europe was wealthy during the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries and even into the 20th century. Even after the industrial revolution gathered pace in Britain, most of Europe remained poor and undeveloped. The industrial revolution would radiate out of Britain, eventually encompassing all of Europe. So all of Europe benefited from this stolen wealth.

    Bengals plunder gifted the British Industrial Revolution

    Heres how Bengal fits in. The East India Company defeated undivided Bengals Nawab Siraj-ud-Daulah in the Battle of Plassey in June 1757, as the Nawabs commander-in-chief, Mir Jafar, betrayed him. This spurred British domination over India. American historian Brooke Adams has recorded that the Bengal plunder from the Nawabs treasury was so excessive that it fuelled Britains Industrial Revolution from 1760 and changed the worlds lifestyle forever.

    The conquerors remitted an estimated 1 billion to Britain. Robert Clive, who led troops against the Nawab, collected 2.5 million for the East India Company and 2,34,000 for himself. His colleague William Watts grabbed 1,14,000. To put these figures in perspective, an annual income of 800 was considered sufficient for luxurious living by British nobleman of those days.

    So, says history, the plunder of Bengal post the Battle of Plassey sparked the Industrial Revolution, which rapidly auto-mechanised the British textile industry. The inventions between 1764 and 1785 were the spinning jenny by Hargreaves, the water frame by Arkwight, the mule by Crompton and the powerloom by Cartwright. John Kays had invented the flying shuttle and coal began to replace wood in smelting, while in 1768 Watt matured the steam engine.

    The spoils from Bengal boosted Britains economy, but its fallout was de-industrialisation for India. Once England established industrial capital, it needed markets for selling its products. It was again Bengal, the first Indian region the British colonised, that was forced to absorb these goods so England could sustain its Industrial Revolution. The drain of wealth into Britain destroyed Indias industries, and impoverishment led to a string of famines. Historian RC Dutt writes, The people of Bengal had been used to tyranny, but had never lived under an oppression so far reaching in its effects, extending to every village market and every manufacturers loom. They … had never suffered from a system which touched their trades, their occupations, their lives so closely. The springs of their industry were stopped; the sources of their wealth dried up. This domineering British control pushed India hundreds of years behind in economic development.

    https://www.financialexpress.com/archive/bengals-plunder-gifted-the-british-industrial-revolution/576476/

    Haha. These are your white masters at work, you bootlicking, sycophantic simpleton.

    When the West colonized Africa they brought with them technology that greatly improved the condition of the people that lived there and actually made them better off.

    Well that’s an odd thing to say given that Africans were wealthier and lived better than Europeans prior to colonization. Europe was a festering shithole of filth, disease, destitution, famine, ignorance, religious extremism and social inequity. These factors, after all, were what spurred the flight of Europeans from their homelands in the largest mass wave human migration in history. Nobody packs up and flees a functioning, stable society, particularly back then when those journeys would be the equivalent of going to Mars for us.

  432. Okechukwu says:
    @Bucky

    Read through it yourself. But the disparity exists, and this is without the legacy of slavery as exists in America. Without that excuse, the explanation then turns to innate propensities.

    From your own link:

    Police officers have the power to stop and search individuals under a range of legislation. Statistics have consistently shown that black people are disproportionately more likely to be subject to stop and searches.[16] In 2008/09 in England and Wales, more black people were stopped and searched under Section 1 of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act per head of population than any other ethnicity,[17] and black people were seven times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people.[18]

    There’s your answer right there. The first step in incarcerating a criminal is to stop and search them. If black people are seven times more likely than white people to be stopped and searched, it goes without saying that that’s going to skew arrest and incarceration rates disproportionately in the disfavor of black people. Meanwhile, white criminals are left to roam the streets, unarrested and unincarcerated.

  433. Bubbles says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    My parents came to SA in 1965 – I am South African – I can get a British passport but my children have paid a lot of money trying to get one and they were declined and lost all the money.

  434. @APilgrim

    The story in SA – Zuma our then president was supposed to help Gadaffi escape and with 90 flights smuggled Gadaffi’s stash here. There was talks to give it back to Libya with our former finance minister Gordhan – Of course Zuma denied any of this in parliament – some of the stash was kept in banks and the banks safety deposit boxes were robbed – coincidence? -we joke that the gold and diamonds are in Zuma’s bunker at Nkandla – Gadaffi’s banker Bechir Saleh is living here in the lap of luxury and was shot earlier this year – he invested more than $1 billion of Libyan oil money here – He’s wanted by Interpol and the French authorities and our government seems to be protecting him. SA is a safe place for him because his fellow criminals are in charge here sharing the loot.

  435. @JackOH

    Our water and sanitation department is basically bankrupt – Under the supposed imperatives of ‘transformation’, skilled engineering and other professional staff have been driven out of water boards and municipalities. Municipalities are now discharging around 4 billion litres of untreated or partially treated sewage into the country’s rivers and dams every day -the Vaal dam is frothing with sewerage, human waste and dead fish – this is a major sauce of water and the purification plants barely work – if you open your taps its brown water that smells like fish – this is crisis level. They have not maintained any of the dams or sewerage systems or build more to accommodate the growing population. The abandoned mines are not being drained and this water is mixing with the water supply contaminating with dangerous chemicals – the cavities under Johannesburg and Pretoria area, Limpopo and Mpumalanga have huge sinkholes developing due to the water from these mines, the city of Johannesburg sits on top of a very large cavity.

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