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As a Jew on the libertarian Right, I am sickened by the compulsion of some American Jews to force President Donald Trump to convulse over Jewish angst. The Anti-Defamation League and other largely self-anointed representatives of Jewish interests are kvetching, accusing the president of not making it abundantly clear that he will not tolerate violence against Jews.

#AnswerTheQuestion is the dramatic, petulant hashtag these nudniks have tweeted out. Apparently, President Trump must spell out, tweet out and beat on breast, at every opportunity, his abhorrence for the specter of Jewish community centers, cemeteries, businesses and places of worship being vandalized.

The chief hate group of America, the Southern Poverty Law Center, has been gunning for President Trump back when he was still candidate Donald Trump. Their work and that of the head honcho at Hate Inc., has been to tar this president with the white supremacist Mark of Cain, simply because he loves Middle America, doesn’t hate the founding American nation, hasn’t yet dubbed Thomas Jefferson a hypocrite, called for the excising of American history from an already compromised curricula, or distanced himself from patriots such as Steve Bannon.

They now contend that “a racist, misogynist and xenophobe president” has inadvertently created the conditions for the current threats against Jews and the vandalism of Jewish property.

All these groups, certainly the Jewish ones, are silent about the existential elephant in the room that truly imperils Jewish survival (other than the community’s left-liberalism). These leaders refuse to grapple with the exponential growth through immigration of anti-Semitic groups. You’d think this would alarm them, as self-styled Jewish leaders.

It’s not right-wing populism that endangers Jewish survival in Europe and Canada; it’s the influx of Muslims. There’s nothing new in the Jewish leadership’s habit of kibitzing about the dangers to Jewish continuity from marauding Mormons (their sin is to convert dead Jews). Or, from Mel Gibson, whose movie “The Passion of the Christ” was supposed to unleash pogroms in Pittsburgh, as they falsely prophesied.

The same sorts say nothing publicly about the waves of Muslims washing up on Europe’s shores. One wonders if they know this intake doesn’t represent a new Islamic Golden Age. These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced. This Islam does not tolerate Jews.

Muslims now greatly outnumber Jews in these formerly safe spaces for Judaism. What remains of a European Jewry devastated by the Holocaust comes under daily assaults and threats, mostly from the 20-million strong Muslim community. The violent assaults on Jews and their property in Europe and Canada are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred, nurtured within Islamic countries, arrivals from which President Trump is trying to curb.

American Jewry is next. Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community in the U.S. Explained Stephen Steinlight of the Center for Immigration Studies, in “High Noon to Midnight: Does Current Immigration Policy Doom American Jewry”:

“It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews—based on a literalist reading of the Koran, where many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying, as well as the literature of the Sunnah. These texts also regard Jews as a spiritually fraudulent entity—all the prophets and great figures of the Hebrew Bible, according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews [historical identity theft, I call it]… With the exception of a tiny group of courageous American Muslims … who have spoken out and condemned … anti-Semitism, the ‘Muslim Street’ in the U.S. has yet to show its disapproval of this philosophical and political agenda.”

Jewish organizations are not unaware of this menace, although they’re tracking it in the utmost silence. They’re in the habit of silently tracking real threats, such as the hate coming from Islam and Latin America, while publicly, and with impunity, they heap insults on a president who belongs to one of the most politically submissive, bullied groups: white men.

To help those they claim to represent, Jewish leaders should join America’s equally endangered cultural majority, the Trump Nation, in the fight to forestall the lemming’s lunacy that is our current immigration policy.

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The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny. Led by these characters—the Ann Frank Center, the obnoxious Anti-Defamation League—Jews have managed to cast themselves as just another faction in the noisy, multicultural mob that is America.

 
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  1. Talha says:

    I love Ms. Mercer’s articles on Islam! They’re so full…of stuff!!!

    It’s not right-wing populism that endangers Jewish survival in Europe and Canada

    Umm, have you read some of the comments at UNZ. “Push them into the sea!” apparently is quite popular on this side of the pond – I had no clue.

    it’s the influx of Muslims

    OK – please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now – they are in the thick of advocating it (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries). Please figure out what the hell you want!

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced.

    Ahhh – one can certainly dream!

    This Islam does not tolerate Jews.

    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the ‘Kingdom of Ismael’:
    “The angel Metatron at once answered him. ‘Fear not, O son of man! The Holy One, blessed be He, brings the kingdom of Ishmael only to save you from this wicked one (Rome) He will send a prophet to them and conquer the Land [of Israel]…And the second king who arises from Ishmael will love [the people of] Israel and conquer all the kingdoms.”
    Historical Dictionary of Judaism

    I mean, have you even read your own history?

    Muslims now greatly outnumber Jews in these formerly safe spaces for Judaism.

    Doh – I guess we’ll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y’all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred

    Or extremist mob mentality – take your pick.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community

    Damn it – we can’t be first in anything!

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews

    Really – I know plenty of traditionally trained Muslim scholars that don’t hate Jews – how did that happen?

    many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying

    If you understood the context – you’d understand why this is so. I would hope they would be terrified when God declares war on those that plotted to help the enemies of His Prophet (pbuh) – you expect Him to deliver them ice cream from the heavens?
    “It is He who expelled from their habitations the unbelievers among the People of the Book at the first gathering. You did not think that they would go forth, and they thought that their fortresses would defend them against God; but God came upon them from whence they had not reckoned, and He cast terror into their hearts as they destroyed their houses with their own hands, and the hands of the believers; therefore take heed, you who have eyes!” (59:2)

    It astonishes me that people think God should conduct Himself like a chump – where does this mentality come from? I mean, does He own the universe or is it all about your feelings and safe-spaces. Now who’s talking SJW?

    according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews

    Uh no – they were ethnically Jews, but Muslims. Being a Jew can be an ethnic identity or a religious one. All prophets are Muslim for us – their ethnicity is irrelevant.

    condemned anti-Semitism

    This is a major problem because many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic – therefore they want to back us up into a corner. Sorry, we won’t play that game. We can oppose Israel without hating on Jews. If you can’t see that – it’s your problem, not ours.

    Islam and Latin America

    O crap! The nightmare convergence!

    “MIAMI — Latinos are one of the fastest growing groups in the Muslim religion.”
    http://www.voanews.com/a/latinas-converting-to-islam-for-identity-structure/2488304.html

    they heap insults on a president who belongs to one of the most politically submissive, bullied groups: white men

    Yeah – that’s not smart.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.

    OMG! You have got to be *****ing me – can you seriously write that with a straight face? Man are you going to get seriously nailed by a boatload of UNZ comments for that one! OK, given that we trace ourselves back to Abraham (pbuh) – is our metaphor one of a proud grandparent and grandkids! Can I call you ‘Gramps’??!!

    Peace.

  2. What a pile of pathetic drivel, from top to the bottom. If antisemitism was really such a huge concern for you, I’m sure you would’ve known that it is entirely a Christian-European phenomenon. You should be ashamed, Ilana.

    • LOL: Amasius, iffen
    • Replies: @Hibernian
  3. SamJ says:

    @Mao Cheng Ji

    Don’t expect shame from far too much Euro-American Jewish political writing. Arrogance, duplicity, and a lack of intellectual integrity is what characterizes far too many of them. In this mentality there is a form of pathological egocentrism and “moral idiocy” that in turn affects the entire culture. The exceptions prove the rule.

    This woman is ignorant of basic history. Jews, Christians, and Muslims lived cheek by jowl for centuries; the Jewish community achieved an apogee of its culture in Muslim Spain. In any case, the Koran commands respect for the “People of the Book” (Ahl al-Kitab), and reveres all the Jewish prophets without exception.

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @attilathehen
    , @Sam J.
  4. SamJ says:

    Actually, what threatens Jewish survival is Zionism, as Israel Shahak and many other Jews of integrity have warned.

  5. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    In what way do you oppose Israel? As a matter of principle? Or over certain actions?

    Irrelevantly, “the angel Metatron” sounds like a 70s band …

    • Replies: @Talha
  6. Talha says:
    @anonymous

    Hola Senor,

    In what way do you oppose Israel? As a matter of principle? Or over certain actions?

    Both actually. But Muslim nations are signatories to international protocols – the upholding of which are moral imperatives since we are not allowed to commit treachery. All of our actions of resistance or change must abide by the legal framework we have signed up to.

    Which incidentally allows Palestinians the right to resist, with force, illegal occupation.

    Irrelevantly, “the angel Metatron” sounds like a 70s band …

    Good point. I immediately thought of the Transformer – being an 80’s kid.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Karl
  7. See? Endless religious bickering. This is what we get for letting both Muslims and Jews into this country. And our forefathers tried to stave this off, to warn us, but in the name of tolerance and droning the Mantra of “diversity” the dim-witted half of the country supports ever more immigration of imbecilic religious fanatics. We created the wealth and now you pillage it. The gates hang on their hinges. All along the watchtower the lookout sleeps at his post.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
    , @gwynedd1
  8. Wally says: • Website

    What remains of a European Jewry devastated by the Holocaust …”

    What a load of self-serving Zionist nonsense.

    The ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the laughable ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    ‘Jewish groups get up to 97% of grants from the Homeland Security’
    http://mondoweiss.net/2012/07/islamophobia-shmislamophobia-97-of-homeland-security-security-grants-go-to-jewish-orgs/
    Fact:
    every US taxpayers ‘loan’ that “that shitty little country” has received has never been paid back. The Israeli Occupied Congress curiously “forgives/forgave” all these huge debts.
    and:
    “Two Secretive Israeli Companies Reportedly Bugged The US Telecommunications Grid For The NSA”
    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/israelis-bugged-the-us-for-the-nsa-2013-6#ixzz3NxPnnUFg
    and:
    “IDF Unit 8200 Cyberwar Veterans Developed NSA Snooping Technology”
    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2013/06/08/idf-unit-8200-cyberwar-veterans-developed-nsa-snooping-technology/
    also:
    The Costs to American Taxpayers of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: $3 Trillion
    http://www.wrmea.org/2003-june/the-costs-to-american-taxpayers-of-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict-$3-trillion.html

    Of course, auditing the Federal Reserve is being resisted tooth & nail by Zionist interests. Why?
    and then:
    “There’s no business like Shoah business.”

    • Replies: @Anon
  9. pyrrhus says:

    The unpleasant fact is that if Islam takes over France, it will control quite a number of thermonuclear weapons, which would outclass Israel’s arsenal…I see a potential here for a “conversation” about Israel’s future.

    • Replies: @Karl
  10. Clyde says:
    @Talha

    Your Islamo-babble ….lol….. Only the insane and naive don’t know and believe that Islamic demographic Jihad is a threat to Europe and European Jews. It is also an indirect threat to Israel and the world if-when Muslims become strong enough in European governments to control their nuclear weapons and delivery systems. France would be first.
    Having a nuked up wacky Pakistan is bad enough and Pakistan is producing new nukes at a fast clip.

    As far as Canada and America go we are both blessed by having lots fewer Muslims. So not an internal threat at this point.

  11. Anonymous [AKA "Mark Daban"] says:

    Jews are behind the creation of ISIS, the wars, the killings, crisis, etc.
    Jews own central banks which are at the origin of all our economic problemas.
    Jews are the problem.
    Jew George Soros is financing the invasion of muslims.

    Please stop the jewish lies.
    How do you know a jew is lying? Cause he moves his lips.

  12. RobinG says:
    @Talha

    Thanks for the delicate levity, Talha. Allow me to give an alternative answer to this:

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews.

    It is virtually impossible to be reared in Israel and not be educated to hate everyone (else), as this Israeli Jew documented, with a similarly light touch:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-1KgbAA_Mw
    “DEFAMATION”
    A Film by Yoav Shamir

  13. RobinG says:
    @Talha

    Sorry! I knew there was a better (focused) copy, couldn’t find it before.


    Defamation (english)
    [It should been called “The Jewish Psychosis”. They’re brainwashing these Jewish kids to fear people who are not Jewish, teaching them to hate.]

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Sam Shama
  14. LOL says:

    Use of term “anti-semitic”

    It would be really productive to stop using the term “anti-semitic,” as it is unclear what ethnic groups are included in the term “semitic.”

    If one wishes to speak about feelings negative to Jews or Israel, it would be much clearer to use terms such as “anti-Jewish” or “anti-Israel.”

    The “semitic people” are those from ethnic groups that speak semitic languages.

    “The most widely spoken Semitic languages today are (numbers given are for native speakers only) Arabic (300 million),[3] Amharic (22 million),[4] Tigrinya (7 million),[5] Hebrew (unknown; 5 million native and non-native L1 speakers),[6] Aramaic (575,000 to 1 million fluent speakers)[7][8][9] and Maltese (520,000 speakers).[10]”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages

    If one insists on using the term “anti-semitic,” it should be interpreted as including Arabs and Palestinians, as they are also semitic people.

    However, I can’t recall reading any articles that use the term “anti-semitic” as meaning “anti-Arab.”

    How can this inaccuracy be corrected?

    • Replies: @iffen
  15. Brewer says:

    Sir Sassoon Eskell, Jewish Iraqi statesman and financier. Also known as Sassoon Effendi. Regarded in Iraq as the Father of Parliament, Sir Sassoon was the first Minister of Finance in the Kingdom and a permanent Member of Parliament until his death in 1932.
    René Qattawi, leader of the Cairo Sephardi community, endorsed the creation in 1935 of the Association of Egyptian Jewish Youth, with its slogan: ‘Egypt is our homeland, Arabic is our language.’ The Qattawi family claimed residence in Egypt since the eighth century, and Yusuf ‘Aslan Pasha (Governor) identified himself as an Egyptian of Jewish faith.
    Joseph Nasi, Jewish statesman and financier who rose to a position of power (duke of Naxos, in Greece) in the Ottoman Empire under the sultans Süleyman the Magnificent and Selim II. Aluaro Mandes was named Duke of Mytylene and Salamon ben Nathan Eskenazi arranged the first diplomatic ties between the Ottoman Turks and the British Empire. Jews all.
    When the Spaniards expelled the Jews, Sultan Bayazid II issued a proclamation ordering his officials to accept the Sephardic Jews into his country. Around 250,000 Jews came to settle in Ottoman lands, with most heading towards Istanbul and Salonika, which absorbed a total of 100,000 Jews.

    So what happened to this cozy Jewish/Muslim relationship?

    I will tell you what happened.

    A bunch of Europeans calling themselves Jews invaded Palestine claiming Divine Right and began slaughtering Muslims – most of whom were indigenous “Jewish” but had embraced Islam during a thousand years of Muslim rule.

    Necessarily brief but that is the bare bones of it.

    Islam is not the Jewish problem, Palestine is.

  16. “See? Endless religious bickering. This is what we get for letting both Muslims and Jews into this country.”
    Yep.
    They have their own countries and culture.
    If you’re not Anglo we’ll give you Belanglo.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belanglo_State_Forest

  17. AnalogMan says:

    I get so tired of Jews kvetching about anti-Semitism. It’s true, not everybody loves you. Nobody is morally obliged to love you. Get over it.

    I care about as much for Jewish survival as you care about White South African survival, in the rainbow utopia that you worked so hard to establish, then fled.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Sam J.
  18. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes

    We started out with Puritans, Anglicans, Quakers, and Catholics (etc.). Given that the first two already fought a war in England, I’d say that’s plenty for bickering.

  19. Gabriel M says:
    @Talha

    Talha has taken some time off from his 200,000 word magnum opus entitled Why it is totally normal for geriatric sex addicts to donk nine year olds to comment on the favourite subject of every moderate Muslim, namely don’t look at me, look at the Jews!. Let’s check out the results.

    OK – please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now – they are in the thick of advocating it

    Oops! Basic comprehension fail, that’s literally the point of her article.

    (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries)

    Getting better, more on topic. IT’S ALL THEIR FAULT OUT COUNTRIES SUCK SO MUCH!!!!!!.

    Doh – I guess we’ll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y’all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    Well I do believe you are the drollest person in your chair. A moderate Muslim thinks it’s funny that Jews have to flee to Israel. Let’s check out what moderate Muslims think is funny.

    Halimi was found naked, handcuffed, and bound with nylon rope to a tree about 40 yards (37 metres) inside a woodlot near a railway station, just outside Paris, on February 13, 2006. It was reported that more than 80% of his body had been burned with acid, as well as gasoline (possibly to destroy evidence of his captors’ DNA), to the point that he was difficult to recognize. He had severe contusions, blood blisters, and hematomas covering most of his body (to the point that he was more blue than flesh-colored), multiple broken bones, one ear and one big toe missing. Most of his penis appeared to have been burned off, and his testicles were described as ” like blackened oranges.” Halimi died en route to a hospital.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Affair_of_the_Gang_of_Barbarians

    ROFLs!

    Both actually. But Muslim nations are signatories to international protocols – the upholding of which are moral imperatives since we are not allowed to commit treachery. All of our actions of resistance or change must abide by the legal framework we have signed up to.

    Which incidentally allows Palestinians the right to resist, with force, illegal occupation.

    1) The Oslo accords explicitly forbid this. Good job, that in reality Muslims are commanded to commit treachery.

    2) The PLO was founded three years before the existence of an occupation, illegal or otherwise. Good job that Muslims don’t have to abide by silly kaffir concepts like linear time.

    • Replies: @Talha
  20. Gabriel M says:
    @Talha

    Other survivors told how screaming teenage girls were dragged into rooms adjoining the gymnasium where they were being held and raped by their Chechen captors who chillingly made a video film of their appalling exploits

    They said children were forced to drink their own urine and eat the petals off the flowers they had brought their teachers after nearly three days without food or water in the stifling hot gym.

    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2004/09/beslan-they-knifed-babies-they-raped-girls

    As a moderate Muslim would say….. LMAOROFL ….. OMFG A JEW BUILT A ROOF EXTENSION IN EAST JERUSALEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Replies: @KA
    , @KA
  21. Mark Green says: • Website

    What a manipulating writer and dishonest article. All Ilana Mercer ever thinks about is the always-imperiled safety of HER precious people, never the reverse. Her hyper-ethnocentrism is both insulting and small-minded.

    Isn’t it about time that gentiles kept running tabs on the threats, humiliations, and genuine security issues posed by Jews upon them?

    What about the impact of Jewish activism on all of humanity, Ilana? It’s bone-crushing!

    Shall we do a body count, starting with the Russian revolution?

    And how about Israel’s nuclear arsenal?

    Why isn’t Israel’s undeclared array of nuclear WMD not considered a critical security threat to the entire region? After all, it is.

    Can we talk about it?–or is doing so ‘anti-Semitic’?

    And how about what holy Jewish scripture says about the goyim? Not very flattering.

    In fact, it’s worse than what the Koran says about Jews!

    Why shouldn’t the outrage go both ways?

    Jewish disdain similarly applies to Christians. To countless religious Jews, Christ is an imposter who deserves to be “boiled in excrement”. Not very neighborly, eh?

    What should we do about this, Ms. Mercer?

    Jewish fundamentalism is often shocking, revolting, and threatening. But don’t hold your breath waiting for Mercer to come clean about these theological embarrassments or the countless double-standards that benefit her tribe and her adopted apartheid welfare state. Pursuing the truth just isn’t her shtick.

    Indeed, like so many of her co-ethnics, Mercer’s present strategy is to turn Christians against Muslims. This works out rather nicely for Israel. Just look at the smoldering ruins of Iraq, Palestine, Libya and Syria; not to mention the ongoing economic strangulation of Iran. These are crypto-Zionist operations. And if Israel gets its way, there will be more.

    Ilana Mercer is a hasbara operative posing as a Zio-libertarian. But don’t be fooled. She and her brethren work tirelessly to divide-up Israel’s ever-expanding list of victims, dupes and adversaries. She’s presently spinning a political yarn using a hip, American, libertarian smokescreen. But it’s 100% kosher. If it wasn’t, she would be complaining about how US-based Israelis use American power to steer Washington into expensive and unnecessary wars of aggression that benefit the Zionist state. This huge and obvious oversight permeates Mercer’s entire ‘libertarian’ ideology. I’m amazed that Unz even publishes her.

    Thus, you will never hear a comment or position from Mercer that exalts the libertarian principle of non-aggression. Why? It undermines the long-term Zionist project which requires expansion, conquest and war–as well as uninterrupted military succor from Uncle Sam.

    These deceptions explain why ruinous invasions and foreign-funded revolts are being orchestrated all over the globe by pro-Zionists of various ideological persuasions. And among the cheerleaders is Zio-libertarian, Ilana Mercer.

    ‘Why do those evil anti-Semites hate us so?’

    Oy vey.

    At the same time, the Zionist state continues to siphon off resources and wealth from innumerable peoples as it sets the groundwork for additional conflict.

    No genuine libertarian could support such wasteful, violent, and lethal state action. In fact, any honest libertarian would necessarily denounce Israel for its hyper-sonic levels of interference, aggression and parasitism upon the American republic. Not Mercer.

    She’d rather bellyache about Palestinian rock-throwers, stateless Iraqi paupers, and other threats to ‘Jewish survival’. This is tribalism, not libertarianism.

    Indeed, if she was a libertarian, Mercer would caution us Americans to mind our own business and stop waging non-essential wars against distant Muslim states. This is what Ron Paul has been doing for decades. Not Mercer.

    In fact, Mercer’s living happily and securely in her kosher, socialist apartheid state, kvetching about ‘anti-Semitism’ and the poor treatment of Jews at the hands of evil Muslims. Might it be that her entire political scenario is a fraud?–and that the very reverse is more accurate?

    It is the vast, unchecked power of international Jewry–not Islam–that undermines American security and global stability.

  22. MEexpert says:

    I have come across many ignorant people on the topic of Islam but this author takes the cake. She has no idea what she is talking about. Jews are the cry babies of the human race. They begged God to give them land. He did but they wanted more or they complained that it was not what they wanted. They wanted food from heaven. When they got that, they wanted more. They found one reason or other to cry. Reading the Torah, you would think that they were the most persecuted people even when they had the power. They always cried for more. They own more than half the wealth in the world but they want more. They want compensation for holocaust. They fit the image of a stereotypical Jew sucking the last drop of blood.

    They had Christ killed but they can’t be accused of that because that would be anti-Semitic. They even made the pope apologize for it. They commit atrocities against Palestinians but you can’t talk about it because that would be anti-Semitic. They own Americans so how dare these American talk about Jews. That would be anti-Semitic. I have read the first amendment several times but I cannot find the exception clause, i.e. one has freedom of speech as long as the speech is not against the jews. They have even hijacked the term semite so now it is used exclusively for the Jews. Chuck Schumer is as much a Semite as Jesse Jackson is. Semite refers to the residents of a geographical area not people of a certain religion.

    The same sorts say nothing publicly about the waves of Muslims washing up on Europe’s shores. One wonders if they know this intake doesn’t represent a new Islamic Golden Age.

    They didn’t say anything publicly when the waves of Jews washed up to the American shores from Europe.

    These Muslims bring with them the Islam that The Prophet practiced. This Islam does not tolerate Jews.

    This comment alone tells me that the author has no idea about what Islam is. She must have learned it from the two of the most famous American “Muslims,” Daniel Pipe and Pamella Geller. The way these two depicts Islam and the prophet, I am surprised there is any Jew left in the world. With the Muslims ruling Middle East and the Europe all the Jews would have been killed by the Jew-hating Muslims. Whatever remained would have been killed by the Christians. But the history tells us that not only Jews were not exterminated but actually thrived under the Muslim rule. They owned businesses even during the time of the prophet.

    Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community in the U.S. Explained Stephen Steinlight

    Notwithstanding the fact that the majority of this Muslim community is itself Semite.

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.

    Sorry, the proper metaphor should be the Arrogant Masters and the meek slaves.

    “It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews—based on a literalist reading of the Koran, where many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying, as well as the literature of the Sunnah.

    It is not easy to understand Qur’an by literalist read. People whose tongue is Arabic have spent their life time studying and trying to understand Qur’an. There is nothing that says that a Muslim has to hate Jews. Actually, it says that the Jews and the Christians are the “People of the book.” What the Jews don’t like about Qur’an is that God describes in detail how the Jews treated the various prophets he sent.

    Even during the Prophet’s life time the Jews were treacherous. They would make treaties with the Muslims and at the last minute break them. God condemns this behavior for what it was.

    all the prophets and great figures of the Hebrew Bible, according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews

    The term Jew did not come into picture until the second millennium so the Prophets could not have been Jews. On the other hand, Muslim means the one who submits to the will of God. All prophets submitted to the will of God and hence they were all Muslims.

    There is an anecdote in Qur’an about the Jews. The Jews of Medinah used to taunt Muslims that they were God’s chosen people and that he loves them and they love him. God told the Prophet to tell the Jews that if they loved God so much they should wish for death so that they could meet God. Sadly, there were no takers.

    • Agree: Z-man
  23. Ronnie says:

    Thank God Mercer is the only jew who is allowed to publish this irrational drivel on unz.com – clearly, the real problem is the self-destructive behavior of the jews in Israel who are hellbent in their quest for Palestinian genocide. The reaction of Muslims to Israel and the jews is a result of this malignant and metastasizing Israeli colonization of Palestine. This is the real elephant in the room which of course Mercer does not appropriately acknowledge in her article.

  24. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Yours are among the most valuable comments on this website. Thank you for taking the time to question and challenge assertions of others, which helps us all to think things through for ourselves.

    I hope that Ms. Mercer will find the time to address your points.

    • Replies: @Quartermaster
  25. mcohen says:

    a few links,there are many more,but pointless, as you can only change the future so that is whats important.
    ignorance is more readily remedied with positive thought and outcomes.forgive but never forget.

    http://jewishrefugees.blogspot.com.au/2011/01/massacre-of-jews-by-muslims-before-1948.html

    http://www.middleeastpiece.com/palestinianviolence.html

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/myths-and-facts-treatment-of-jews-in-the-arab-world-chapter-11

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Palestine

    peace………of shit

  26. Anonymous [AKA "Anon9"] says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Bickering is what we do. It’s a compulsion. Inherited from our reptilian ancesters. Has to do with determining who breeds.
    The only prophet worth reading is one who unambiguously predicts future events without the need for “interpretation”.

  27. Renoman says:

    I don’t worry much about the Jews, they’re pretty good at lookin after themselves. Body for body the Jews are waaaaay out front on this one. A new crusade is forming, there’s gonna be dead Mussies everywhere soon. They came lookin for trouble and they found it.

  28. Appropriate comment:

    😉

  29. Jews, not Islam, are the elephant in the room threatening white survival in America and Europe.

    I don’t care care about Jews or Israel, and few Jews seem to care about the survival of whites or their homelands.

  30. vetran says:

    Here it goes again! The same old tired and predictable tune, the same recognizable chorus from the victimhood deck cards. A predictable Jewish classic.
    If you don’t want all those muz to seek refuge across the West, stop regime changes madness in setting ablaze the Middle East through your neocons minions.
    Also, if Jews were so concerned with an Islamic threat, they should push Israel to stop “sucking the Wahhabi dicks” … (In reference to Bernard Henry Levy infamous quote)
    BTW, methinks that those red nails polish of that woman wearing the jihab are a bit haram … or is that the cover of the new SAS book?

  31. geokat62 says:

    All these groups, certainly the Jewish ones, are silent about the existential elephant in the room that truly imperils Jewish survival…

    Truth be told, the real elephant in the room, is not Islam, it is The Lobby, as it threatens the survival of Western societies (see Barbara Lerner Spectre, Founding Director of Paideia Stockholm)

    The same sorts say nothing publicly about the waves of Muslims washing up on Europe’s shores.

    Not true. The Clarion Project (formerly The Clarion Fund) has done tremendous work warning The Dumb Goy about the impeding Muslim immigration disaster through a trilogy of films: Obsession, The Third Jihad, and Iranium. As you well know, along with these films, the islamophobia propagated by Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller inspired Anders Breivik to go on a killing spree and kill over 70 of his fellow Norwegians.

    The violent assaults on Jews and their property in Europe and Canada are almost exclusively the handiwork of an ancient hatred, nurtured within Islamic countries, arrivals from which President Trump is trying to curb.

    I thought it was the Muslims who welcomed the Jews who were thrown out after the Spanish Inquisition in 1492. Didn’t the Ottoman Empire serve as a refuge for Jewish refugees from Spanish empire? Comparatively speaking, didn’t the Jews fare much better living in Muslim rather than Christian lands (was the Shoah perpetrated by Muslims or Christians)?

    “It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews—based on a literalist reading of the Koran, where many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying,…

    It was many years ago, so I could be wrong, but I don’t recall reading any hateful passages in the Koran regarding The People of The Book. Perhaps you could furnish a few examples?

    Led by these characters—the Ann Frank Center, the obnoxious Anti-Defamation League—Jews have managed to cast themselves as just another faction in the noisy, multicultural mob that is America.

    According to Prof. MacDonald, The Lobby did not confine itself to being merely a part of the cast. It was the entire Film Studio that put on this production, furnishing everything from the Producers, Directors, screenwriters, music, wardrobe, makeup, etc. (see Culture of Critique)

    Based on the foregoing, I would offer the following title for your next piece:

    “The Lobby, Not Islam, Is the Elephant In the Room, Threatening Western-Goy Survival”

    • Replies: @Talha
  32. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    You seem like someone with an ax to grind

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  33. These leaders refuse to grapple with the exponential growth through immigration of anti-Semitic groups. You’d think this would alarm them, as self-styled Jewish leaders.

    Enough wit da the drama queen histrionics already, OK? It’s been getting a bit old for some time now. And speaking of self-styled Jewish leaders, you seem to think that self-styled defenders of Judaism such as violent Zionists are legit when the opposite is true.

    Anyway, whining like that proves in one sentence that you have a narrow, moronic, stunted opinion. Don’t you characters and your ilk understand that using “anti-Semitic” as code for “anti-Jew” is brain dead?

    Some of the worst anti-Semites are mostly white Zionists with tenuous, if not laughable, claims on “Semiticity” who not only sadistically and gratuitously suppress and oppress true Semites such as Arabs, but who, as militant atheists, make adherents of the Jewish faith in general look bad.

    Judaism is disgraced by Israel’s policies of internal colonialism and contempt for the treatment of fellow humans.

    … Israel has made itself an international pariah, a position on which Israelis seem to thrive. Besotted with hate and malaise, the Israeli citizen uses militarism as the national vehicle of cohesion: celebrate exploits of killing as a means of drawing together.

    Needless to say, this is a corruption of Judaism, which for centuries has expressed universal values of peace and mutual respect. The Great Paradox: The Jewish State is anti-Jewish, defaming and caricaturing a beloved faith founded on human rights and aid and succor to all deprived, displaced, and underprivileged. It is tragic that world Jewry increasingly supports current Israeli policies, which only encourages what we find today in Israel: Netanyahu and Herzog alike lack the moral courage to bring Israel into line with international law and morality.

    -Norman Pollack, Israel vs Judaism

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/03/23/israel-vs-judaism/

    • Replies: @Clearpoint
  34. Jake says:

    I have a close friend who is ethnic Chinese raised in Taiwan. He is very high IQ – as in 140 or so. He says that Jews are the most stupid high IQ people in the world. That is so, he says, because Jews by and large get steered into things that will come back to bite off their faces, quite literally at times.

    He says this happens 2 ways. One is that a number of loud Jews get a burr under their saddles to harm some other group they feel has wronged them and get so entangled in revenge against that group that they fail to see actual threats. Those Jews tend to be very nasty personalities who scare others into silent acceptance.

    Another is that most Jews believe deep down that they are the chosen race. Even atheist Jews, he is amazed to note, are certain they are a chosen race that will be protected eventually by a god or the universe, no matter what they do that is wrong or dangerous. Many in that group dare God or the universe to save them from the messes they make.

    The Islam issue is both. You have Jews who so hate the white Christian world that they would fail to see the threat to them of allying with aliens from another galaxy to exterminate whatever is left of what once was Christendom. You also have Jews who know the great risks to Jews from this Islam immigrant promotion but deep down feel secure because God or the universe will save them even if whitey is wiped out, along with the hated Catholic and Orthodox churches.

    That is the real Jewish Problem. Most Jews at least accept one of those ways of Jewish seeing the world and operating in it. Jews blind themselves to reality and so guarantee horrors for themselves.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  35. anon • Disclaimer says:

    The proper metaphor for the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is that of proud parent and progeny.

    This is not correct. Christians of all denominations persecuted the Jews for centuries, and the Jews paid back despising the Christians, in works like the Toledot Yeshu of the Middle Ages.
    In a work considered to be the piece capital of modern American literature, Michael Gold’s “Jews without Money,” there is a scene in which poor Jews mock a sacristan washing a cucifix at the door of a Lutheran church.

    • Replies: @Jake
  36. DaveE says:
    @Talha

    Brilliant. I love your comments. Thanks so much.

  37. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @MEexpert

    This comment alone tells me that the author has no idea about what Islam is. She must have learned it from the two of the most famous American “Muslims,” Daniel Pipe and Pamella Geller. The way these two depicts Islam and the prophet, I am surprised there is any Jew left in the world. With the Muslims ruling Middle East and the Europe all the Jews would have been killed by the Jew-hating Muslims.

    LOL, I surely like your level of “expertise”. It is about the same as that of Edward Said.

    It is not easy to understand Qur’an by literalist read.

    And so is any other scripture. Yet, people managed to do this just fine. And then there are Hadith, Tafsir etc. And where did I hear this story about Islam before? 😉

    • Replies: @Talha
  38. @anonymous

    It is unlikely, in the extreme, that the author will respond to the ravings of an idiot.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  39. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website

    Ilana, the main danger for the Jews in US are not Muslims but eventual realization (it is ongoing as I type it) by the average American Joe of the fact that, thanks to neocons, who are representatives, sometimes fanatical ones, of the interests of the State Of Israel, the United States paid dearly in blood and treasure in what can only be described as a geopolitical catastrophe of the 21st century–Iraq. Needless to say that Iraq’s debacle has a very Jewish parents. Having said all that and not being a Holocaust “denier” (I know the tragedy did happen, I just have some issues with counting), but it is also not a secret that majority of American Jews (how large of a majority is another matter) are not exactly Jews of Israel–for many American Jews Holocaust is just business, it is easy to sell it in US. European Jewry, of course, is another matter altogether–there were reports of FN offering protection to Jewish schools and Synagogues in France from Muslims.

  40. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I actually don’t mind wally ‘s repetitive comments. It’s so common for the holocaust to be passed off as historical fact, and Wally’ s comment is a justified response to the article’s author doing just that.

    • Replies: @Anon
  41. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    It’s annoying. I imagine him searching each article at Unz for a handful of key words (Holocaust, Nazi, etc.), after which part he goes to a doc and C&Ps a handful of spam.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
    , @Wally
  42. Agent76 says:

    Dec 5, 2016 Born to Hate Jews

    How do devout Muslims born in the West feel about Jews? How do they feel about Western values in general? Kasim Hafeez, who was raised a devout Muslim in England, explains.

    • Replies: @Anon-og
    , @Talha
    , @MEexpert
  43. Z-man says:
    @SamJ

    Israel is the threat to Jewish survival. As the poster said, Jews Muslims and most important to me Christians lived in peace in Palestine. But since the ‘establishment of the Zionist State’ Christians had almost disappeared from the Holy Land, and of course there has been ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians from ‘greater’ Israel. This will only foster hate for the ‘chosen ones’ for genenrations to come.
    One State Solution Now, one person one vote. This foolish Zionist project must end.

  44. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    Ms. Ilana Jewberg,
    If Muslims hate you, they arent the only ones and your pathetic attempt at aligning yourself with white people through your supposed support for Trump looks pathetic and desperate. Your people are shapeshifting frontrunners and at the root of most evils in the modern world.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Jim Christian
  45. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:
    @Agent76

    Right, good ole’ Dennis Prager and PragerU, relying on another shylock for info are we….

    • Replies: @Agent76
  46. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS JUDEO-CHRISTIAN VALUES
    “Let’s be clear: Far from “sharing” one tradition, Orthodox Jews are prohibited from marrying Christians, setting foot inside a Christian church—and we can’t even drink from an open bottle of kosher wine that has been used by a Christian. We reject the Christian idea of salvation, we abhor Christian divine teachings on every subject, and we are repulsed and outraged by incessant attempts by Christian missionaries to bring us into their fold.”
    “Incidentally, we have more in common with Muslims than we do with Christians; Jewish law permits Jews to enter a mosque… but not a church.”
    “To insist that we have some kind of bond with religious Christians because of similar core values, is to propagate a terrible lie. Christians who base their views on what they call the Old Testament, don’t view Mosaic law as an abiding legal text. The Church has abolished Torah law as part of its attempt to abolish the very idea of Jewish nationhood.”
    “Jews and Christians differ on every single fundamental principle—even on the meaning of core Scriptural texts. More crucially, Christians rely on the Old Testament for legal delineation; whereas Jews rely solely upon our rabbinic tradition. We never, ever turn to our Bible for legal guidance, only to our rabbinic literature. To suggest that our Sages had anything at all in common with the likes of Jerry Falwell, Jimmy Carter or Pat Robertson is a slap in the face of 2500 years of scholarship.”

    http://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/yoris-news-clips/theres-no-such-thing-as-judeo-christian-values/2013/12/26/

  47. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon-og

    Gee, Mike, tell us all how you really feel.

  48. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    “For Maimonides, the 12th-century rabbinic scholar and one of the most important figures in the history of Judaism, there was no possibility of a “Judeo-Christian tradition.” Christianity, in his understanding may have had a positive function in world history insofar as it brought monotheism to the pagan world, but for Jews Christian ritual was a form of idolatry. “The Christian peoples, in all of their varied sects, are worshipping idols and their holidays are forbidden to us,” he wrote, while Islam, though a “mistaken” religion in his view, is monotheistic, and thus cannot be construed as idolatrous.”

    Almost 900 years later Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook, the early 20th-century thinker respected by most Orthodox Jews and revered by Religious Zionists, had similar sentiments. Like Maimonides, Kook saw Christianity as akin to idolatry, writing that “with Christianity and its concepts one should share nothing, not even what seems good or beneficial… It is only by distancing oneself from Christian concepts, and by implementing the absolute refusal to gain any benefit from that world of ideas, that our own intellects and sense of self will become purer and stronger.”

    http://religiondispatches.org/what-do-we-mean-by-judeo-christian/

    • Replies: @FLgeezer
  49. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    “Judeo Christian” is an Oxymoron
     
    Anyone with a genuine Christian faith would recognize that Judaism defined by Cabala and Talmud, is not only the antithesis of Christianity, but also its mortal enemy.

    Whence comes the imaginary camaraderie between Christianity and Judaism? And why are Christians so ignorant – or timid?

    To what degree are Jewish interests antithetical to Christian conservatives?

    It is obvious that American Jews have long been aligned with the Democratic Party. In many ways, the “Jewish community” broadly construed opposes many things that Christian conservatives champion.

    “[T]raditonally[,] …Jewish voters …have favored Democrats by 2-to-1 margins.”[1]

    This leftward leaning goes back at least to the era of Franklin Roosevelt. “[F]unctioning under the …aegis of the Democratic party, American Jews fortied their reputation as the most dependably progressive ethnic community in the United States. In 1940, no fewer than 90 percent of their votes went to Roosevelt.”[2]

    [MORE]

    Despite the rightward orientation of a handful of Jewish king-makers (chiefly 

    Sheldon Adelson,left, but also smaller fry such as Norman Braman, Henry Kravis, Richard Roberts and Mel Sembler, two of whom – by the way, Adelson and Roberts – are said to favor Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker for the [as of this writing] upcoming the 2016 election), “as a group, Jews still endorse the Democratic Party at a rate of around 20 percentage points above most other Americans.”[3]

    “Indeed, the Washington Post once estimated that Democratic presidential candidates ‘depend on Jewish supporters to supply as much as 60 percent of the money raised from private sources. Other estimates are lower, but contributions from Jewish Americans form a substantial share – between 20 and 50 percent – of the contributions made to the Democratic party and its presidential candidates.”[4]

    “Jews provided at least half the money donated to the DNC [Democratic National Committee] in the 1998 and 2000 election cycles.”[5]

    Additionally, “as a matter of comparison they [Jews] are generally found to be the most liberal white ethnoreligious group in the United States.”[6]

    To illustrate: At least one benchmark indicates that religious Jews are more likely to be atheists than people of other faiths. This is so prevalent that one journalist writes: “Atheism is entrenched in American Judaism. In researching their book American Grace, authors Robert Putnam and David Campbell found that half of all American Jews doubt God’s existence. In other groups, that number is between 10 and 15 percent.”[7]

    Within “rightwing Christian” circles, atheism is lamented. But there is a deafening silence from these supposedly concerned “Conservatives” when it comes to atheism infused American Judaism. As one synagogue-attendee, Maxim Schrogin, put it: “Atheism and Judaism are not contradictory, so to have an atheist in a Jewish congregation isn’t an issue or a challenge or a problem.”[8]

    There is a conspicuous case-study. Many Christians bemoan the removal of prayer from public schools. What many people do not know, however, is how this removal came about. It was the result of the landmark Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 (1962) case, in which the U.S. Supreme Court legislated from the bench, decreeing it “unconstitutional” for public schools to adopt or encourage the recitation of “official” prayers in public schools.

    The genesis of the case was this: “In the fall of 1958, Steven Engel visited his son’s elementary school classroom in Hyde Park, New York. Engel, a Jew, was upset to see his son’s hands clasped and his head bent in prayer. He told his son that this was ‘not the way we say prayers.’”[9]

    As George Lincoln Rockwell observed in the late 1960s: “If Israel is a Jewish country and has the right to be Jewish, if Ghana is a black country and has the right to be black, why don’t we have the right to keep a white country white and Christian? Why, how long do you think you people would last if you went over there to Israel and started campaigning in the Jewish schools in Israel against singing Jewish songs? And yet they’re over here campaigning against us singing Christmas carols in ours. …You can’t sing Christmas carols in schools any more. They won’t tolerate it, but we must.”[10]…

    In another recent news item, we read about the activist goings on of one Michael “Mikey” Weinstein. “…A Pentagon ban on proselytizing has left some conservative activists fearful that Christian soldiers — and even military chaplains — could face court martial for sharing their faith.

    “The Defense Department said this week that proselytizing — trying to get someone to change faiths — is banned. Its statement does not define proselytizing or address the role of military chaplains. It also does not rule out court martial for those whose share their faith too aggressively….[13, 14]

    Additional evidence of Jewish left-leaning can be detected from the fact that the overwhelming majority of Jews – “religious” or “secular” – support abortion[15] and “same sex marriage”,[16] both of which are opposed by many “religious Conservatives.”

    It is simply a fact that, historically, Jews have been at the forefront of liberalizing and activist politics.

    SOCIALISM  

     Another important facet of the larger discussion contrasting “Conservative” and “Jewish interests” must therefore be to note the historical point that Jews have long advanced socialism, communism and other radical, leftist ideologies.[17],[18]

    From Moses Hess, Karl Marx and Ferdinand Lassalle to Leon Trotsky (born Bronstein) and Vladimir Lenin (scion of the Jewish Blank family), Communist-Bolshevism was a decidedly Jewish – and anti-Christian/anti-Russian peasant – movement.[19]

    Combined with the fact, established centuries ago by intrepid researchers like Gustaf Dalman, Johann Eisenmenger, Alexander McCaul, Bernhard Pick and Johann Wagenseil and admitted by honest scholars such as Theodor Keim and Princeton University’s Peter Schaefer, that the Jewish Talmud holds that Jesus Christ was a blasphemer who was not only rightly accused and justly executed, but also – and outrageously – asserts such filthy scurrilities as that the Blessed Virgin Mary was a whore[20] and that Jesus was justly executed for practicing magic and leading Israel astray[21] and is now being punished in hell by being suspended in boiling human excrement;[22] it’s fairly compelling, as Michael Hoffman has argued at length, that the label “Judeo-Christian” is an oxymoron.

    This is not a novel idea. Saint Paul indicated: “the Jews …killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone…”.[23]

    Nevertheless, Christians continue to labor under the mistaken belief that Jews have some sort of robust kinship with Christians. The counterpoint can scarcely be better made than it was by Saint John the Evangelist, who wrote in 1 John 2:22-23: “Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist – denying the Father and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.”

    According to John, writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, any person who denies Jesus also has neither the Son nor the Father. Therefore, on Biblical authority, it seems that whatever God the Jews proclaim, it simply cannot be the Father of Jesus – or else the New Testament is gravely mistaken.

    As to the idea that (supposed) Jewish pedigree is salvific [leading to salvation] in and of itself, Jesus himself dismissed this when He said: “And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.” (Matthew 3:9).

    In fact, more strongly, Jesus told the Pharisees – the forerunners of the rabbis: “You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”[24]

    As Saint Augustine of Hippo once reportedly said: “Judaism, since Christ, is a corruption; indeed Judas is the image of the Jewish people; their understanding of the Scriptures is carnal; they bear the guilt for the death of the Saviour, for through their fathers they killed the Christ.”[25]

    https://www.henrymakow.com/2015/09/Christians-so-naive.html#sthash.fR87aPFG.dpuf

    • Replies: @Z-man
    , @frankie p
  50. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Talha,
    Please excuse my ignorance about Islam. Do Muslims believe in the Ten Commandmants? Do Islamic teachings provide any modification of those Commandmants?
    Peace,
    anonymous

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @attilathehen
  51. FLgeezer says:
    @Anon-og

    >’ It is only by distancing oneself from Christian concepts, and by implementing the absolute refusal to gain any benefit from that world of ideas, that our own intellects and sense of self will become purer and stronger.’ – quoth Rabbi Kook.

    What an absolutely perfect surname. Would his middle name be Arrogant?

  52. Agent76 says:
    @Anon-og

    Do you have anything that proves the contrary?

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  53. @Anon

    It’s annoying.

    You wanna know what’s also annoying?

    Here’s an introductory list.:

    Constant kvetching about victimhood.

    Whining about “anti-Semitism.”

    Relentless hysteria regarding “existential threats.”

    Blaming Muslims for whatever ails the special tribe.

    The mentality that somehow the world owes the self-proclaimed chosen everything from material wealth to endless adoration.

    I’d go on,but that would be annoying too.

    • Agree: Z-man, Delinquent Snail
    • Replies: @MEexpert
    , @Jim Christian
  54. David Borne says: • Website

    I enjoyed your article very, very much… I am sorry to see so many Jewish Intellectuals critisizing your piece. I look forward to more of your articles….Keep it up! 🙂

  55. Z-man says:
    @Anon-og

    Agreed. ‘Judeo Christian’ a term probably coined by some Jew professor at CCNY back in the 1930’s or 40’s. An Oxy’moron’ indeed!

  56. Talha says:
    @Agent76

    Hey Agent76,

    I looked up Kasim Hafeez, and came across this article:
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/from-rage-in-the-mosque-to-tears-at-the-wailing-wall/

    And it has this quote from him which just sounds very, very suspicious:
    “I don’t feel my story is that unusual. It’s just my life,” he says as he caresses a pendant with the Star of David that he bought at the end of his 2007 trip. “I hold this every time I miss Israel, which is every day. I know it sounds strange, but when I’m here I feel as though I have come home.”

    I mean something is just so abjectly groveling in that statement – it doesn’t sound normal. I don’t know if you can trust him, the Israelis basically pay his wages:
    http://thelawfareproject.org/fellows-2/

    I can tell you this; I personally know 8 qualified and certified muftis – not ‘know of’, I actually know them on a personal basis. I have been taught by 3 of them on various medieval texts on Islamic jurisprudence and belief.

    In exactly none of the cases did they ever teach hatred for Jews, ever – I don’t even recall a single line coming from their mouths that could be construed as hatred against Jews. They would speak up about Israeli oppression, but they never preached hatred. And these men are some of the most devout individuals I know. I have no clue what kind of ‘devout’ Muslims Mr. Hafeez hung out with. Their description strikes me as run of the mill Salafi/Wahhabi extremists.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  57. Talha says:
    @anonymous

    Hello sir,

    No problem – everyone has their own niches of knowledge – I am most ignorant about a great many things that you likely could school me in.

    As far as commandments, in short, yes – we believe in what was revealed to the Arch-Prophet Moses (pbuh):
    “And when the anger subsided in Moses, he took up the tablets; and in their inscription was guidance and mercy for those who are fearful of their Lord.” (7:154)

    A summary in the Qur’an is found in these verses:
    “Say: ‘Come and I will recite what your Lord has forbidden for you, that you not associate anything with Him, and be good to parents. Do not kill your children out of poverty, for We will provide for you and them. Do not approach lewdness, whether it is public or private. Do not kill the soul which God has made sacred except by right of justice. This He has instructed you that you may reason. Do not approach the property of the orphans, except in a way that is best, until he reaches maturity. Give full measure and weight in justice. We [God] do not charge any soul except within its capability. When you testify, be just even if it concerns a relative, and fulfill the covenant of God. This He has instructed you that you may remember. And this is My straight path, so follow it and do not follow other ways, lest you be separated from His way. This He has instructed you that you will be righteous.’” (6:151-153)

    Peace.

    • Replies: @RSDB
    , @Seraphim
  58. gwynedd1 says:

    Too many Jews have a blind spot on Zionism. Zionists love when Jews move to Israel. The problem is Jews often like were they live. So Zionists see opportunity when Jews have problems abroad. They certainly jumped all over Ukraine and the rise of Islamic antisemitism in France to “call them home”.

    If you don’t understand the Zionist/antisemitic alliance , and you are a Jew, may your god help you because you will need it.

    • Replies: @Jim Christian
  59. @SamJ

    If Christians, Jews and Muslims lived peacefully side by side in Islamic Spain, why did the Roman Catholic Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand expel all the Jews and Muslims from Spain?

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @schmenz
    , @Seraphim
  60. @anonymous

    Islam is a Christian heresy. Talha cannot provide you with correct theological answers regarding Judaism or Islam. He is a heretic. Judaism ended with Christ. Under orthodox Christianity, any “Jews” claiming to be or practice Judaism are under a Deicidal curse.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Talha
    , @Seraphim
  61. G. Mayre says:

    Lol, another Jewish person who can’t stay clear from using the term “survival” when referring to the Jewish future, alluding subconsciously to future Holocausts, exactly because deep down she knows that it is Jews and their behavior who threaten Jewish “survival”.

    • Agree: Z-man
  62. RSDB says:
    @Talha

    That’s not a very effective summary.

    Nevertheless, going through the commandments, I see Muslims keep (ideally) pretty much all of them save possibly the reservation of the Sabbath day (at least according to these people) . Obviously the sense of some of the commandments (e.g. graven images) is taken differently.

    • Replies: @Talha
  63. @Agent76

    What difference does it make what Muslims think about Jews or Jews think about Muslims? Neither group belongs in the West and both should be removed back to their Middle Eastern homelands forthwith.

    • Replies: @Agent76
  64. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @attilathehen

    Christianity is a Jewish heresy. Attila the Hen cannot provide you with correct theological answers regarding Islam or Christanity. He is a heretic. Christianity ended with Islam. Under orthodox Judaism, any “Jews” claiming to be or practice Christianity are under a heretical curse.

    See what I did there?

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  65. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the ‘Kingdom of Ismael’:

    This was only good for the 1st couple of centuries, after that, and continuing until today, the persecution, expulsion and extermination of Jews and Christians in most Muslim lands have given us the result that with few exceptions they have been cleansed of Jews and Christians.

    many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic

    This is true, but does not change the fact that most criticism of Israel is based upon anti-Semitism.

    • Replies: @Talha
  66. Talha says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Hey Smoothie,

    Yet, people managed to do this just fine.

    No they did not – have you never heard of the Thirty Year’s War? The only reason anybody can interpret anything now in Christianity is because it is a hobby religion:
    “There were 217 denominations listed in the 2006 Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches. But there may well be other groups that function as a denomination but do not regard themselves as such.”
    http://hirr.hartsem.edu/research/fastfacts/fast_facts.html#denom

    Once religion is no longer important, then who cares? It doesn’t mean anything. And when it doesn’t, then it can provide no meaning any more.

    When Christians took their religion seriously, when it was the framework by which their life was guided and it was the most prominent core facet of their being, they had the similar problems of extremism that we do – actually worse. The Thirty Year’s War, makes our current Sunni-Shiah conflict look like a picnic.

    Peace.

    • Agree: dfordoom
    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Andrei Martyanov
  67. Talha says:
    @attilathehen

    Aww don’t be like that, sis! I guess we can turn to you for the correct theological understanding of Islam, right? I mean, because…well, because.

    That’s fine, so we’re a Christian heresy – so was Arianism and a whole host of other non-Chalcedonian groups in the past. So what is Orthodox and what is heterodox anyway? Those that are most ascendant? Those who write history?

    Don’t look now sis, but probably within your life time, Islam will be the most prominent Christian heresy the world has ever known – we can then claim your doctrine as the heresy. Door swings both ways.

    Logic – it’s good for what ails ya’.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  68. joe webb says:

    Did Trump say, “I am the least anti-semitic person you will ..” Syntax suggests some wiggle-room there.

    Then there is the charge that the other adult sons of Trump have indulged in some questionable tweets or something. I have not followed this but if anybody knows about it, I would like to hear about it.

    Then, I attempted to post on Karlin’s new article and was greeted with YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO POST HERE.

    Oriental Despotism rears its non-white head. The only writer here to BAN me.

    BTW, apropos of Israel, I am reading The Arabists by Robert Kaplan , about 1995 or so. Great read for those who want to understand how the jews took over the State Dept from the pro-Arab Arabists. It’s a page turner.

    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  69. Talha says:
    @attilathehen

    why did the Roman Catholic Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand expel all the Jews and Muslims from Spain?

    Duuuuuude, you answered your own question – that’s deep man – deep.

    Peace.

  70. George says:

    The only menace recognized by coastal elites is threats to real estate prices.

  71. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Christianity is because it is a hobby religion

    Whoa! Who are you and what have you done with Talha?

    • Replies: @Talha
  72. joe webb says:

    Btw department again. The Derb article on his ‘bafflement’ about the hysterics of the lib-rads-dems….Reading The Arabists gives some insight on how the Dems became the political force most anti-Russian in the US today. The Karlin article describes how Repubs are split about 50 50 on Russia, while the Dems are about 25 75, 75 being anti-Russian.

    The Dems are headed by Jews who lead the useful idiots into anti-Russian fits. Jews hate Russia, because Russia has been throwing out the jews since Stalin, with the heave-ho to the oligarchs just being the latest manifestation of same.

    The GOP contained the remnants of anti-semitic old white guys, with James Baker personifying same, with his “fuck the jews, they don’t vote for us anyway.” That was then and now the GOP and Trump gathers its constituencies, including the Amen Corner (per Buchanan).

    Cobble together and make a ‘base’…..The Derb article now on the Derbyshire link, not on the main page, contains my reply to Derb and why he is Baffled. Did not do his homework.

    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @RobinG
  73. Jake says:
    @anon

    Actually, your timetable starts nowhere near the beginning. Led by Pharisees, Jews persecuted a number of of prominent Christians to death. The ‘despising’ began with Jews making certain Jesus would die, in hope that his message would die with him.

    • Replies: @Anon
  74. MEexpert says:
    @Agent76

    I saw the video and laughed. I have seen this kind of Israeli propaganda before. As a Muslim and especially the one who was educated in those fundamentalist schools and being a Pakistani he would never have gotten visa to go to Israel. I have known Americans who have been denied visas for being critical of Israel. I have also known a Pakistani who, once he praised Israel, was given a grand tour of Israel. This guys was a self proclaimed Jew hater. He would not get the visa to go to Israel in million years.

    True Jihad demanded violence.

    This is total nonsense. He does not even know the true concept of Islamic Jihad. According to Qur’an, the biggest jihad is against oneself. Listening to his narrative, it was obvious that he went to a Wahhabi/Salafi school, if he ever did go to one. The entire narrative is quite scripted and the reference to book by Alan Dershowitz’ was the final proof. My score on a scale 1 to 10 is -10.

  75. MEexpert says:
    @jacques sheete

    The mentality that somehow the world owes the self-proclaimed chosen everything from material wealth to endless adoration.

    One question for the chosen ones. If you are the chosen ones, why has your God abandoned you? Think about it.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  76. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake

    Those Christians happened also to be Jews.

    • Replies: @Jake
  77. iffen says:
    @joe webb

    Say it ain’t so, Joe.

    Dem Jews what done it?

    If the answer is always dem Jews what done it, that takes all the fun and interest out of cognitation. Why read? Why learn? Why reason?

  78. schmenz says:
    @attilathehen

    A long and interesting subject best explained by noted historians Like William Thomas Walsh (see his “Isabella of Spain”).

    In a nutshell, after Isabella restored Spain under Spanish Catholic rule there were Jewish elements who were playing a subversive game by pretending to be Catholics while remain secretly Jews. These were the “Marranos”. Recall that this was considered treason at the time, and in fact many of the Marranos were indeed discovered committing treasonous acts against the State and the religion of the State. While Isabella employed trusted Jews in her own government, and often protected many others of them from the backlash of the exploited people, things suddenly boiled to a head with the infamous Host of LaGuardia case. The horrors of that case so shocked the people of Spain that they were out for blood and revenge (to read the details of the case in the Walsh book one can somewhat sympathize with a thirst for swift revenge). In order to protect the Jews from wholesale massacre Isabella finally had to expel them Spain.

    http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/isabella-of-spain-william-thomas-walsh/1114285132

  79. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Talha

    The Thirty Year’s War, makes our current Sunni-Shiah conflict look like a picnic

    You mean Iran-Iraq War which had a serious religious (Sunni-Shia) underpinning and saw millions of people slaughtered in an industrial warfare? Yes, I heard of Thirty Years War.

    • Replies: @Talha
  80. RobinG says:
    @joe webb

    “Oriental Despotism rears its non-white head.” HUH?????????? A.K. is a Russian white boy. What are you talking about>

    A little OT – Ever run into John Walsh in Berkeley? He makes great points. Idiot ‘progressive’ Dems hate Trump so much, they want to use fake Russian connection against him.

    CrossTalk: Liberal War Addiction
    John Walsh
    Mohammad Marandi
    Sara Flounders

    • Replies: @joe webb
  81. @Talha

    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the ‘Kingdom of Ismael’

    You seem to have confused Persia with Rome in your enthusiasm for ‘Kingdom of Ishmael’.

    • Replies: @Talha
  82. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    It didn’t used to be nor does it have to be – it lost its gusto somewhere along the line. In the West it is this way, in places like Russia – they still have something with more depth.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  83. Sam Shama says:
    @joe webb

    [Great read for those who want to understand how the jews took over the State Dept from the pro-Arab Arabists]

    Arabists at State are a troublesome legacy, compliments of old Whitehall, which to this day retains a strong whiff of T.E. Lawrence and Faisal. Whatever influence Jews exercise on State, serves only to keep the vessel seaworthy.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @joe webb
    , @joe webb
  84. Talha says:
    @RSDB

    Hey RSDB,

    We definitely don’t have them all at one place at a time such that they are the 10 Commandments. They are scattered throughout the Qur’an. These set of verses happened to have the most all in a set.

    As far as the Sabbath – ours is today, Friday. And there is a whole chapter dedicated to giving the command to attend the congregational prayer. We don’t do the whole take all of the day in rest thing. We are only obliged to attend the prayer.

    As far as graven images – we are pretty solid about that, you won’t find icons in our mosques.

    Peace.

    Bonus: Kid you not, at the congregational prayer today I saw an older Muslim gentleman that looked just like Pope Francis (minus about 15 pounds)!

  85. gwynedd1 says:
    @ThreeCranes

    The number of major Abrahamic religions a society should have is 0 to 1… with 0 being the ideal.

  86. mcohen says:

    hi ilana

    is it true that the girl in the pic in your story is an israeli special forces golani highly trained arab speaking shin bet mossad unit 8100 krug marav yom tov chop suzi assassin.

    because

    she has great eyes.and that rifle looks familar.definitely put a smile on my dial

  87. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    Couple of points:

    This was only good for the 1st couple of centuries

    It is really only the practice of the first generation that guides us. Whatever the Abbasids, or Ottomans, or Mughals, etc. did that is in line with that is good – otherwise, rejected.

    persecution

    This depends on the definition. If someone considers persecution or oppression such that it is anytime that the minority is not treated on parity with the majority, then guilty as charged. But, Islam does not give up the keys to its civilizational capital to religious minorities. If one demands that we prove our awesomeness by having Jews on our Federal Supreme Courts like they sit in the US, no sale.

    Now if in the US, Muslims were, say, stripped of their rights to vote in federal elections or a clause was put into the Constitution that Muslims couldn’t become president – that wouldn’t be treating us equally, but I would hardly call that oppressive – maybe SJWs would.

    expulsion and extermination of Jews and Christians in most Muslim lands have given us the result that with few exceptions they have been cleansed of Jews and Christians.

    This doesn’t sound right to me. In every honest academic work of history that I’ve come across, I’ve not seen this to be the case. Rather, the main reason why there aren’t that many Jews and Christians is that they slowly converted over the centuries; whether sincerely or to get out of jizya or for social mobility. Now that is the main reason, though for sure there were certain episodes of expulsion and extermination (some being worse than others – and you forgot unofficial episodes of mob violence when some would convert out of fear) – no doubt about that. Many of the worst ones came fairly late in the game when the nationalism bug started biting everyone including the Turks and Arabs.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @vinteuil
  88. Talha says:
    @survey-of-disinfo

    Hey Bro,

    No – from what I read, they were pretty well treated under the Persians – so much so that they helped the Sassanids conquer Jerusalem from the Byzantines. But then the Persian Emperor was kind of worried about them going autonomous and revolting so he banned them from the city – no?

    And then of course the Byzantines struck back.

    But if your point is that they were treated better under Persia than Byzantium – for sure, no arguments there.

    Wa salaam.

  89. Talha says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    C’mon Smoothie – let’s be real man. The estimates of the slaughter for the Thirty Years War is around 1/6 or 1/7 of total Western European population – with some areas of Germany coming in at 1/3. It was a slaughterhouse; Iran-Iraq is nowhere close in proportion (here are the various estimates, most don’t even reach a million)…
    http://necrometrics.com/20c300k.htm#Iran-Iraq

    …and totally didn’t have the same level of Sunni-Shiah consciousness. You would have had a better chance making the case between the Safavid and Ottoman wars which basically parallel a lot of the wars between France and Britain.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @Andrei Martyanov
  90. Sean says:
    @Sam Shama

    Most of the world (and many Israelis like Ehud Barak) back creation of a West Bank Arab state It is fear of isolation and not Arabists that make the US go along with it. Unless you oppose creation of such a Palestinian state in principle you have no substantive difference with Arabists. This is the problem with the Lobby , they don’t dare advocate for what they really need.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  91. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Interesting article or shall I say moral and intellectual failures of a columnist who is entering the phase of an apoplexy in her dimwitted brain because of the facts that she is being forced to see a new situation- all around her emergence of newly erected roadblocks to DNA based interests that until now has been guaranteed perpetual consistent instant success . So what she does ? Find a scapegoat that she could blame and divert attention from the thievery that her ilk is engaged to .

  92. Talha says:
    @geokat62

    Good stuff Geo,

    inspired Anders Breivik to go on a killing spree and kill over 70 of his fellow Norwegians

    Yeah – when I heard about that, I was like – what the ****??!! So you want to save the White Christian Europeans by killing a bunch of their own kids – makes perfect sense!

    That Geller and Spencer stuff should come with a mental health warning.

    Maybe Palestinians need to start throwing rocks at each other pronto – the Holy Land shall be ours, my brothas!!!

    Reminds me of this clip from ‘Four Lions’:

    Peace.

  93. Talha says:
    @Mark Green

    Mr. Green,

    This is what Ron Paul has been doing for decades. Not Mercer.

    Bam! This right there is the key – when someone touts their Libertarian credentials, put them up next to Dr. Paul (the ‘Gold Standard’ – he’d love that moniker) and you’ll know how far diluted they are.

    Peace.

  94. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    1. Jews always lie…
    2. Jews always double-down…
    3. Jews always project

    • Replies: @gwynedd1
  95. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “It is virtually impossible to be reared in classical Islam and not be educated to hate Jews—based on a literalist reading of the Koran, where many of the Suras concerning Jews are monstrously hateful, murderous, terrifying, as well as the literature of the Sunnah. These texts also regard Jews as a spiritually fraudulent entity—all the prophets and great figures of the Hebrew Bible, according to Islamic teaching, were Muslims, not Jews [historical identity theft, I …”

    Did it lead to asking for conversion, forceful marriages and slavery of Jews and Christian in medieval times? Now the basic idea that those prophets ( Jewish Hebrew Bible prophets ) were Muslims had been established in 7th century, should it not move to natural conclusion that the Jews and Christians living in 7th century should convert to muslim?

    Now fast froward to Germany of 20th century – Nazi Germany is entire Germany and should pay the reparations to those affected and would do that perpetually . Claiming everybody from Germany and Vuchi France or Poland was responsible for the holocaust was the first step Next step was to incriminate everybody from that decade as well as those born after and make them pay , force them into some kind of bonded labor for generations for crimes that they have nothing to do with . Instead of calling them prophets and express admiration and gratitude and acknowledge the richness of the Hebrew contributions, Muslims should have done same as the Jews would later do to Germany and should have demanded and should have made them pay for the atrocious murderous impulses with which they tried to kill the 7th century movement and its prophets.

  96. Talha says:
    @Gabriel M

    Hey Gabriel,

    that’s literally the point of her article

    Well, she doesn’t say that explicitly, but sure, I’ll give you that – I can see how that is implied.

    IT’S ALL THEIR FAULT OUT COUNTRIES SUCK SO MUCH!!!!!!.

    No, actually my point was; our countries suck – stop making them suckier.

    For the record, Ms. Mercer has actually called out Neocons before, but not so much when interests with Israel coincide.

    A moderate Muslim thinks it’s funny that Jews have to flee to Israel.

    Neither do I think it’s funny Jews have to flee, nor do I think it’s funny that they will end up in more illegal settlements in the WB. But I can see a cynical setup when I see it – that’s what I was calling her out on.

    The_Affair_of_the_Gang_of_Barbarians and Beslan

    Wait, how are these people ‘moderate’ exactly? I mean, should I say Baruch Goldstein was a moderate or the guy who whacked Rabin?

    These are the words I stated about Beslan – in a comment directed at you:
    “For the record, I believe Beslan was the most horrific terrorist action ever to take place because it was a deliberate targeting of children – utterly deplorable.”
    http://www.unz.com/article/review-against-our-better-judgment/?highlight=beslan#comment-1650355

    Man, you are desperate. Now I have a way, way more nuanced view of Jews than you have of Muslims so I don’t really care all that much, where you try to sport your moral superiority or try to label me. I have dealt with honest rational Jews and dishonest ones – the conversations are very different; one is engagement, one is juvenile. Jews like you have one priority, Israel, all other considerations, morals, tactics, etc. are secondary – you sacrifice the truth at your altar: “Hear O God; our Lord is Israel!”

    I can see it in your desperate mudslinging again and again.

    Fortunately, I know of a time when Jews and Muslims didn’t have this antagonism, and my perspective is guided by the history in Muslim lands – not what happened to Jews in Europe. There was a time when honest, academic Jews were actually the ones trying to open Western minds to the cultural heritage of Islam and build bridges:
    “In the development of Islamic studies in European and, later, American universities, Jews, and in particular Jews of Orthodox background and education, play an altogether disproportionate role…Jewish scholars did much to bring these achievements of the Islamic genius to Western notice and inculcate in the Western mind a less prejudiced and more sympathetic understanding of Islam. There had been many biographies of Muhammad in Europe; Weil’s was the first that was free from the prejudice and polemic, based on a profound yet critical knowledge of the Arabic sources, and informed by a sympathetic understanding of Muslim belief and piety.”
    Islam in History: Ideas, People, and Events in the Middle East

    And they wrote books like this:
    “In Knowledge Triumphant, Franz Rosenthal observes that the Islamic civilization is one that is essentially characterized by knowledge (‘ilm), for ‘ilm is one of those concepts that have dominated Islam and given Muslim civilization its distinctive shape and complexion.”
    https://www.amazon.com/Knowledge-Triumphant-Concept-Medieval-Classics/dp/9004153861

    Now, there are still some honest Jewish academics exist (and I quote from them) but many of the opportunistic pseudo-intellectuals that cheer lead for Israel couldn’t be bothered about the truth. Good thing is, I see people waking up to the truth the harder you try.

    As far as Oslo – please:
    It’s now clear: the Oslo peace accords were wrecked by Netanyahu’s bad faith by Avi Shlaim
    I thought the peace accords 20 years ago could work, but Israel used them as cover for its colonial project in Palestine”
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/sep/12/oslo-israel-reneged-colonial-palestine

    Peace.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Gabriel M
  97. vinteuil says:
    @Talha

    “Islam does not give up the keys to its civilizational capital to religious minorities.”

    Really? No kidding?

  98. @MEexpert

    One question for the chosen ones. If you are the chosen ones, why has your God abandoned you? Think about it.

    It’s long overdue to recognize that Mercer’s brand of Judaism, otherwise known as Zionism, is a false G-d, as are all other forms of nationalism, especially the colonial forms. Zionism itself has abandoned the G-d of the Jews and makes a mockery of the concept.

    The real elephant in the room and the biggest threat to Jewish survival is the Zio-threat. It’s a complete abomination and perversion of Jewish values.

    Does this sound like Mercer’s G-d?

    …the God who appears to me is the comforter of the poor and their avenger in world history. This avenger of the poor is the God I love.

    -Hermann Cohen, The Concept of Religion in the System of Philosophy (1915)

  99. @Talha

    … when someone touts their Libertarian credentials, put them up next to Dr. Paul (the ‘Gold Standard’ – he’d love that moniker) and you’ll know how far diluted they are.

    When I read her claim of being Libertarian, I almost gagged. She and her ilk know nothing and pervert everything.

    Diluted and deluded.

  100. utu says:
    @Talha

    “Jewish scholars did much to bring these achievements of the Islamic genius to Western notice and inculcate in the Western mind a less prejudiced and more sympathetic understanding of Islam. ”

    This was at a different stage of Jewish ascent in the West. Their main objective was to criticize Christianity by inflating achievements of Islam. This approach is not valid anymore from the point of Jewish interest. Since then the vectors have been reversed. Now the sons and daughters of those scholars will paint diametrically opposite picture. Christianity was defeated and is now harmless to Jewish cause, so it can be used against Islam.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  101. Talha says:
    @RobinG

    RobinG – much thanks for the video!!!

    Peace.

  102. gwynedd1 says:
    @Anon-og

    Don’t say “always” because in addition to what you listed they also tend to be hyperbolic . Its never always.

    Anyway its a matriarchal society isn’t it?

  103. iffen says:
    @Talha

    I am still in disbelief. After all your stout, respectful and reasoned defenses of your religion you let them pull you down to their level. To disparage an entire religion and millions of devout and sincere people by calling Christianity a hobby is beyond the pale. You are just one of them now, Talha.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @Sam Shama
    , @Talha
  104. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    Unbelievable, an article in the Jewish Telegraphic Agency explaining how Jews made up the 5 million Non-Jew deaths as a way to shore up compassion for the 6 million Jews that died…where do the lies end and where does the truth start???  And no wonder that in so many European countries it is against the law to even investigate the official Jewish narrative of the Holocaust.  And what’s most pathetic about it is that the threat that our compassion would extend to non-Jewish victims is enough to make these people admit to this lie…as if its the only lie being told about the Holocaust.

    Per the article:
    The “5 million” has driven Holocaust historians to distraction ever since Wiesenthal started to peddle it in the 1970s. Wiesenthal told the Washington Post in 1979, “I have sought with Jewish leaders not to talk about 6 million Jewish dead, but rather about 11 million civilians dead, including 6 million Jews.”

    Yehuda Bauer, an Israeli Holocaust scholar who chairs the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, said he warned his friend Wiesenthal, who died in 2005, about spreading the false notion that the Holocaust claimed 11 million victims – 6 million Jews and 5 million non-Jews.
    “I said to him, ‘Simon, you are telling a lie,’” Bauer recalled in an interview Tuesday. “He said, ‘Sometimes you need to do that to get the results for things you think are essential.’”
    Bauer and other historians who knew Wiesenthal said the Nazi hunter told them that he chose the 5 million number carefully: He wanted a number large enough to attract the attention of non-Jews who might not otherwise care about Jewish suffering, but not larger than the actual number of Jews who were murdered in the Holocaust, 6 million.

    http://www.jta.org/2017/01/31/news-opinion/united-states/remember-the-11-million-why-an-inflated-victims-tally-irks-holocaust-historians

  105. frankie p says:
    @Talha

    I like it Talha, “the gold standard”. Ron would love it, you’re right!

    It is Dr. Paul’s firm adherence to the principles of non-agression that made him such a target for organized Jewish money when he ran for president. Mark Green’s comments on the insidious influence of organized Jewry on American government are always the epitome of accuracy. Dr. Paul had to be smeared; let’s dig up some ancient periodicals that Ron was affiliated with that also gave voice to some criticism of Jews and label him an anti-semite. How long will this wash with the American populace? How long before someone stands up and says “I criticize what I see as a threat to the United States. If you call it anti-semitism, I wear it as a badge of honor, as it protects my country.” The house of cards will quickly crumble as Americans digest that.

    Frankie P

  106. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    The erosion continues – Jewish fascism kicking it up a notch here in the States, soon you’ll be shipped off to jail here in America for denying the Holocaust like people already do in several European countries due to tyrannical Holocaust Denial laws…what kind of historic truth needs laws to protect it, makes you kind of wonder.

    Amazon being asked to stop selling books on Holocaust Denial

    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Amazon-is-asked-to-stop-selling-books-on-Holocaust-denial-482349

  107. Agent76 says:
    @Chris Mallory

    This I am sure this will and should open your eyes. NOVEMBER 18, 2012 Israel and the U.S. CREATED Hamas, Hezbollah and Al Qaeda

    Creating the Enemies We Now Fight Against. We’ve extensively documented that the U.S. and Israel created Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups in an attempt to fight other enemies.

    http://investmentwatchblog.com/israel-and-the-u-s-created-hamas-hezbollah-and-al-qaeda/

  108. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    You cant make this shit up LOL.

    Shadowy Website Creates Blacklist of Pro-Palestinian Activists

    “Established in spring 2015, Canary Mission is a shadowy anonymous website designed to threaten the academic and professional careers of college students and faculty who publicly advocate for Palestinian human rights and an end to Israeli occupation. A cyber-bullying operation, Canary Mission volunteers and staff scour the social media accounts of activists for statements supporting Palestinian rights, which they then use to levy false and misleading accusations that the activists ‘support terrorists’ or ‘are inciting Jew-hatred’ on campuses.

    Canary Mission encourages its circle of followers to attack activists on Twitter, Facebook and other social media, again levying false accusations of anti-Semitism to attempt to tar their reputations. Recently, there have been reports that the organization has also contacted employers and university administrators directly in an effort to punish activists for Palestinian human rights in their professional lives.”

    https://justsayin.online/2016/10/shadowy-website-creates-blacklist-of-pro-palestinian-activists/

  109. Sam Shama says:
    @Sean

    It depends on the shape, character, and powers of that Arab state. I think all manner of false, inauthentic and ultimately destructive impositions on Israel and the region will be resolved under the Trump proposals. You are right in your assessment of the lobby’s tentative advocacy and where that falls short.

  110. KenH says:
    @Talha

    The estimates of the slaughter for the Thirty Years War is around 1/6 or 1/7 of total Western European population – with some areas of Germany coming in at 1/3.

    You are right and I’ve seen some estimates that the Thirty Years War possibly claimed 40% or perhaps even 50% of Germany’s population. Either way it was a bloodletting unlike anything Europe or the world has ever seen in terms of a religious conflict. We Europeans tend to go big or go home!

    I would agree that the current conflict in the Middle East doesn’t even come close and the Shias and Sunnis have a long, long way to go to catch up although some elements in both camps seem eager to do so.

  111. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha

    Ron Paul, good-hearted man that he most likely is, proposes a system of economics which would guarantee time-travel back to the period of the Emperor Diocletian. Some might like it I suppose.

    • Replies: @Talha
  112. Jake says:
    @Anon

    Meaning what?

    Jewish hatred of Christ and Church did not end as the number of full blooded Jews in the Church began to be negligible.

  113. Jake says:
    @iffen

    Of course it is a hobby in the terms that fit Islam and Middle Eastern assumptions. If you aint murdering people to force them to convert to your religion, then your religion is a hobby to them.

  114. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    I agree; I was surprised. Would’ve never thought Talha would paint with such a broad brush. Surely, religious fervour is not compulsory to live a spiritual life? Which is what I reckoned Talha meant when he wrote of Christianity having lost its ‘gusto’.

    • Replies: @iffen
  115. Pandos says:

    Everything, every time threatens jew survival. It’s endless.

  116. frankie p says:
    @Anon-og

    Thanks for the detailed rebuttal of the entire idea of “Judeo-Christian values”, a term and idea that has long bothered me because of its inherent dissidence. I have copied your comments for future reference and in order to clarify the issue to those still floating around in ignorance.

    Frankie P

  117. Andrei Martyanov [AKA "SmoothieX12"] says: • Website
    @Talha

    most don’t even reach a million)…

    Well, it depends on a source. Realistically it exceeds million and, possibly, much more. But the issue here is not this:

    1. Thirty Year’s War 1618-1648.
    2. Iran-Iraq War 1980-1988.

    Does a number 362 (years) say anything? I just want to forestall this ever popular “argument” of “Islam is a young religion”. It, certainly, is not. And when I see today how these people slaughter each-other with a great passion, hey, I am so primitive–I just look at the outcomes. This is not to say that I agree with Ilana’s point, nor do I condone Israel’s behavior–far from it. But Muslims do have a reputation, so to speak, and it is not a good one, neocons and other Jews monopolizing (hogging) the problem with Islam regardless. I am not going to lie, the moment I hear Sharia my hand automatically reaches to my Ruger or, hands, to 12-gauge Mossberg, depending on the circumstances.

    • Replies: @Talha
  118. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG

    Robin,
    Take a rest from pushing Foxman as the Provost of all Jews. He talks about what he thinks is important and it’s a free country, isn’t it? How many Jewish kids do you know? Or have spoken to who fear others? No Jewish kid I know – and I am fairly sure I know a few more than you do – live in fear of others.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Art
  119. @Anon-og

    Actually, in the American world, Blaxx are the biggest hindrance to progress, peace and tranquility..

  120. @jacques sheete

    I’d go on, but that would be annoying too.

    Yes, I agree with you Sheete One, yet somehow, I am annoyed. I kid because I care.

  121. Klokman says:

    Once, perhaps quarterly, I check in on Ilana’s essays to see if her command of world history–especially that of her own people–has improved. I quit reading her articles early on when I discovered it was so weak.

    Her libertarian association with the late doctor Szasz has not helped her POV, for the same reason: her command of American history is also weak.

    The only thing I find amusing in her essays is her command of the English language.

  122. @Talha

    Talha’s the name, Virtue Signaling is my game.

    • Replies: @Talha
  123. Jason Liu says:

    Why is there so much attention paid to the wellbeing of Jews, both in an out of Israel? They’re just another minority. When was the last time policy was affected by what feels threatening to Chinese-Americans?

    Besides, neither Muslims or Neo-Nazis are anywhere close to enacting Holocaust 2.0. It’s all rhetoric used for political football.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  124. @gwynedd1

    They certainly jumped all over Ukraine and the rise of Islamic antisemitism in France to “call them home”.

    Good takes and accurate. And as the process rolls forward here, Jewish media and courts are heartily encouraging the same Muslim inflows here in the U.S. that turned Europe into an unsafe harbor for Jews. And so, is Israel going to “call” American Jewry home to Israel? Where to put them all? Ah, more settlements. Let the record show that Jews shit on the White Christian men that wanted to protect safety, ESPECIALLY for the Jews we’ve been pressed to protect because Holocaust: Never Forget. Well, I don’t forget.

    But I’m god damned sick and tired of being shit on for trying to prevent the next mass exodus to Israel because of Muslim inflows into the United States that are damaging to the Jewish interest that were encouraged by, wait for it: Jewish Media and Courts. Read James Baldwin, read Dick Gregory. Read Jesse Jackson, Ralph Abernathy. They all HATED Jews, saw Jews as the source of all of the problems of Blacks. But Jews have seen nothing yet here in the States. One would think American Jewry communicates with Israeli Jewry, formerly of Western Europe. The United States is a big place, maybe American Jews thing they’re safe. This is the final harbor for them, they better start protecting it. Time to stop with the virtue-signaling toward Muslims that would drive Jews out. Fight back or else.

  125. @Anon

    I see, so let’s get a couple things out of the way first. World history can be summed up in 2 words: IQ. Caucasians have the highest IQs, then Asians, last are the blacks. I am a Caucasian Christian woman. What are you?

    Talha is a Pakistani, so he is Asian and inferior to a Caucasian woman. Average IQ in Pakistan is 84. Talha is a little brighter because he said he is in the USA on some kind of work visa (but that could be just another form of affirmative action).

    Christianity is a religion best suited for the Western mind, soul. However, I do respect European pagan beliefs because many of them actually prefigure Christianity.

    Christianity is the fulfillment of Old Testament Judaism (read Isiah). Modern day “Judaism” is composed of the Talmud, Mishnah and rabbi teachings that have very little to do with Old Testament Judaism. So modern day Judaism cannot say anything about Christianity.

    The West has been Christian for 2000 years and that’s why I defend it. Most people need religion and Christianity is best for the West. Asians/blacks don’t have Western minds and souls so for them it’s useless. But if they want to be Christian, then they must have their own churches.

    Today’s Jews are also very mixed racially. Many Jews marry blacks/Asians so there is no connection to the West for them. And, again, if they say they practice “Judaism,” they are not aware of Old Testament Judaism. The Hassids keep the Leviticus laws of diet to separate themselves as much as possible, but their race–mixing destroys them even more. Also, Jews and Asians had nothing to do with the West.

    Christianity is a unique religion and can only be practiced by people with an IQ to live by its rules. But since I am an orthodox Christian, anything that impugns or denies Christ’s divinity, is a heresy. That is Islam.

    Next, take a look at Islamic countries. Most Muslims are Asians/blacks with low IQs. Their horrible countries are a testament to their IQs and Islamic beliefs.

    So, my perspective is Christian but also IQ and Talha fails to meet the standards.

    • Replies: @Anon-og
  126. @Talha

    Hey bro, remember you’re Pakistani (average Paki IQ 84). I will admit you have a couple more points though. But you still are inferior to a Christian Caucasian woman.

    Most Muslims are Asians/blacks the races with the lowest IQs.

    There’s a new sheriff in town – Trump.

    The times they are a changin’.

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    , @MEexpert
    , @Talha
  127. geokat62 says:

    As some here at Unz will happily attest to, I often tend to cite the two truth-telling Profs. Mearsheimer and Walt’s groundbreaking work, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy.

    A few of my detractors have accused me of being anti-Semitic for citing this work. The Lobby has even accused the two truth-telling Profs. of being anti-Semites for having the temerity to write such a book.

    But thanks to the courageous efforts of Philip Weiss, it has now come to light that M&W’s analysis on The Lobby was actually preceded by an “eminent Jewish scholar” named Nathan Glazer. Glazer had written an essay, American Jews and Israel: The Last Support, over 40 years ago that, strangely enough, came to the same conclusion as M&W – i.e., instead of being an asset, The Lobby is a liability to the US.

    Enjoy!

    Israel’s dependence on Jewish lobby’s pressure will cause hostility to U.S. Jews, Nathan Glazer warned in 1976

    Israel is becoming more and more isolated in the world, so it depends on one friend, the United States. But supporting Israel is not in America’s interests. In fact, Israel is a strategic liability for the U.S. That makes American Jewish influence the ultimate pillar of Israel’s survival. And that pressure comes at a considerable cost: American Jews will inevitably be exposed to hostility from non-Jews. Therefore, American Jews must press Israel for a declaration in exchange for wielding our influence: Israel will return to the 1967 lines in return for Arab recognition.

    That’s a blunt and realistic assessment of the role, and risks, of the Israel lobby, right? And here is the amazing thing about the argument: the eminent Jewish scholar Nathan Glazer made it more than 40 years ago! The Harvard sociologist most famous for co-authorship of Beyond the Melting Pot, Glazer stated these ideas in very much those words in an essay in a dissident Jewish publication in 1976.

    I lately came across Glazer’s essay, titled “American Jews and Israel: The Last Support,” in the New York Public Library. I typed it up. You can read the bulk of the essay below, followed by my commentary.

    First the context. A crisis for Jewish supporters of Israel came in 1973, after the U.S. was compelled to airlift arms to Israel during the Yom Kippur War. On the right, Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol argued that American Jews should abandon the Democratic Party because it was dovish, and Israel depended on a hawkish American foreign policy. But on the left, the dissident group Breira was born, opposed to Israel’s militarism and occupation.

    Though Nathan Glazer was a New York boy who came out of the famous neoconservative cell at City College of New York, he has always been a free-thinker (See James Traub’s profile); and he thought that Israel needed to make peace. Breira only lasted a few years, before the Jewish establishment crushed it. But Glazer wrote his piece for the Breira publication, Interchange, in November 1976, when he was 54.

    “American Jews and Israel: the last support,” by Nathan Glazer (with elisions marked by …):

    [MORE]

    History has so arranged matters that the Jews of Israel and the Jews of the United States are more closely linked and more desperately linked than they ever thought possible. According to the theories of Zionism, and until some time after the state of Israel was created, it was believed that Israel would serve as a cultural center for world Jewry, would revitalize Jewish education, culture, and religion in the diaspora, and –in the more political formulations of Zionism—would serve as a refuge for Jews and a supporter of Jewish interests in the world. It was expected that the Jews of the United States and other countries of the Diaspora would provide financial support for the upbuilding of Israel. In measure, things have worked out as expected. What was not expected, was that events would so develop that the United States would end up the last support for Israel, and that American Jews would thereby become crucial for the Jews of Israel.

    What has brought this situation to pass is the progressive isolation of the State of Israel in the world. We must look back twenty five years to realize how far Israel has fallen in world support. At its birth, both superpowers, the United States and USSR, supported it. Most of the countries of the world agreed it should come into existence, should be legitimate as a state, should be a member of the United Nations.

    All this is past. The cluster of the democracies in the world maintain relations with Israel and will speak for it on occasion in international forums. A scattering of other nations—principally in Latin America—maintain relations. But only one nation will on occasion speak forcefully for Israel. More significantly, only one nation will supply Israel with sophisticated arms, and can be depended on to resupply it in case of another war.

    There are various explanations which are advanced for the consistent American support for Israel. What makes the issue murky is to define the set of influences that, in a multi-ethnic democracy that happens to be a world power and the leader of an alliance of democracies, play on the making of foreign policy decisions. While the question of who is in the command position is not unimportant, it is only one factor in a set of influences. It is the complex of influences, this and how we interpret them, that leads to discrepancies in how we rate the role of American Jews in maintaining American policy on its present course.

    One explanation that is often argued to explain American support for Israel is that it is in American interests, broadly conceived, to maintain America’s support for Israel. I doubt that is true. It is clearly not to the material interests of the U.S., which are so often thought by the Left to affect American foreign policy, to continue the strong support of Israel. The Arab market is much larger than the Israeli. American business has a substantial share of the market, but undoubtedly it would have a larger share were it not for the strong connection between the United States and Israel.

    It is also strongly argued that American security interests dictate the Israeli tie. The argument is hard to understand. The basic posture in the Middle East is that the United States tries to resist and slow the advance of Soviet influence in that area. It has two allies in this endeavor—Iran and Saudi Arabia—and is developing influence in Egypt. It is not inconceivable that the ruler of Iran, perhaps of Saudi Arabia, will be replaced by those who are more sympathetic to Russia. Such a change in Israeli is inconceivable. Israel is more constant in that respect, but it is also very small, provides no bases for the United States, limits the degree to which Middle East allies will adhere to us, produces constant hostility in our relations to states running from Algeria to Iraq.

    American military men have often been pro-Israel because it is so effective militarily. In this respect, it can play a role in various strategic considerations. But when one considers the larger strategic picture, one suspects the commitment to Israel must be seen as an overall liability.

    If it is not American material interests, not strategic interests, what then dictates the tie to Israel? Two things, one more tenuous, the other rather concrete. The more tenuous basis of the tie is the basic commitment of many Americans and American foreign policy to democracy, or, if you will, their opposition to Communism. This commitment has been the central pillar of American postwar foreign policy, and Israel has been the beneficiary.

    At the present moment, we are engaged in the United States in a confused and serious struggle in which this American commitment to democracy is being undermined by analyses—generally from the liberal and left part of the political spectrum—which assert that concern for democracy has played no role in American foreign policy. Secondly, it is being undermined by the opposite argument that democracy should play no role in American foreign policy. After South Vietnam the abhorrence of any activist and interventionist foreign and military policy is understandable. It is not popular with new men in politics who have no recollection of the forging of the great postwar measures and alliances to restrain Communism and protect democracy. The fact is that Communism increasingly fails to arouse a moral reaction; those who take a moral view of it are seen as troublesome and troublemakers […]

    All I am saying is that one central feature of this policy, opposition to Communism in its aspect as a denial of freedom and liberty, is now under attack, and it is just this feature of American foreign policy that should not be abandoned […] If this central feature is given up, then one reason for American support of Israel would disappear.

    The second major pillar of American support for Israel seems firmer. It is American Jews. History has so arranged things that it is the only Jewish community that basically counts for the defense of Israel. American Jews are placed in a key position. But I believe this position is often misunderstood.

    It is misunderstood in the United States where men as informed and important as the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and a former vice president have ridiculously exaggerated notions of Jewish influence. It is misunderstood in Israel, where the power of American Jews is exaggerated, and the conditions which set a limit to the power are not understood.

    Power is not something wielded in a vacuum. There are limits to the role any ethnic group may play in affecting American foreign policy. It should be recalled that we have gone to war twice against Germany despite the fact that Germans in the United States are four or five times as numerous as Jews, and we have gone to war against Italy, even though there are more Italians in the United States than Jews. An American ethnic group is benignly allowed to exercise its influence in defense of the interests of its homeland only as long as these do not conflict with what are seen to be larger interests. American Jews have power only because their fellow citizens are friendly to their exercise of this power. They can become less friendly to this exercise. They can indeed become hostile to it.

    Thus, American Jews can raise considerable sums of money for Israel, on the basis of tax exemption for charity, though this money, used to absorb refugees, and for health and welfare services, aids at least in part to permit Israel to use other funds for arms. American Jews unabashedly lobby for pro-Israel measures with Congress, and make it politically uncomfortable to be against Israel and even take an “evenhanded” position. The political figure who does will be subject to much pressure and name-calling, some of it quite unfair. But as I have said, power must be seen in context. The context has been that it is safe for American Jews to do what they do. Political leaders have not resented the pressure much because it has not cost them much to support Israel. There is after all no substantial countervailing power. Insofar as Americans have opinions, they overwhelmingly support Israel.

    Thus, I believe that those visiting Israelis who go away from Congresspeople convinced that they have nothing to fear and that American Jews need only keep up the pressure are wrong. There are three factors which are undermining American popular support for Israel and are increasing its costliness. First is that it has become costly financially. Until the 1973 war, Israel needed no substantial military credits or grants from the United States. Its own resources sufficed, along with overseas aid from Jews. Since then, first the replacement of arms destroyed in that war, and then the escalation of the arms race against infinitely more wealthy opponents have required heavy grants and credits, over $2 billion a year. This is an enormous sum to go to one small country, when it is realized that foreign aid of all kinds is unpopular in the U.S., and that this amount is almost half of all that the U.S budgets for foreign aid. This has already had political consequences. Congresspeople—some—have begun to question it, newspapers have begun to question it. Some Congresspeople have resisted appropriating these sums. Jewish organizations have tried to increase pressure on them, which has aroused their hostility of the lobby for Israel.

    The second factor which is undermining American popular support for Israel is the shift in the way in which the American mass media –perhaps we should say the shift in the underlying realities of the situation. But let us separate image and reality for a moment. The image until 1973 was that Israel was ready to negotiate and talk with the Arabs, but the Arabs are intransigent and would not talk to Israel. This view has been reversed. Sadat appears – and is presented as moderate. All he wants back is his territories. Israelis are presented as intransigent and obdurate. One certainly finds sympathy for King Hussein. One may even find sympathy for Syria. All they want back is their territories. The Palestinian refugees have always had sympathy. They have much more now. One cannot underestimate the effect of front-page maps in the New York Times—there have been two recently—showing what looks like a dense mass of Jewish settlement in occupied Arab territory, or the influence of newspaper and television coverage of disorders on the West Bank. The images are reminiscent of Southern state troopers beating blacks – well-equipped soldiers grabbing young boys and girls. I do not suggest there is any intent in this. It is the nature of the media to focus in on the moment of violence when the soldiers grab the civilian, not the lengthly [sic] preceding period of taunts and rock-throwing.

    The third element undermining American popular support is the same element that in the end may undermine American diplomatic and military support—the Arabs are strong, they are numerous, they are wealthy, they are clearly here to stay, while Israel… well, it requires endless effort to stay in the same place. People get tired.

    If the present situation continues, popular support for Israel will weaken. Jewish pressure then on American policy becomes more costly—to Jews. Even now, of course, this pressure is not costless. A favor given in one area means one can deny a favor in another.

    But what if there was a different Israeli policy? Would such a change reduce the developing pressures on American Jews from their countrymen to limit their uncategorical support? Could American Jews support a different policy more effectively, and with less threat to their position?

    I fear that by asking these questions I will be interpreted as saying that because American Jews may find their position uncomfortable they should moderate their support for Israel, and press Israel against its better judgment, to undertake policies that may increase the risk of another holocaust. This is not what I am saying at all. The danger to which Israel is exposed pales any possible discomfort for American Jews. But that is my position, and neither other Americans nor American Jews will see it that way. Despite the fact that Jews have had it very good in the United States, there is among them an everpresent and underlying concern, sometimes fear, that things will change. This is a reality that must be taken into account. Israelis having fought four wars and living under a terrible siege, may have a legitimate disdain for whatever concern American Jews have for their condition, but they cannot ignore it in their calculations.

    Is there a policy that might make it easier for American Jews to continue their unstinting support for Israel, and for the U.S. to accept their arguments? Can we find such a policy that does not increase the danger in which Israel lives, a danger such that one defeat risks annihilation? The argument is often made that “we cannot worry about public relations; since our lives are in danger, we must do whatever protects our security, and cannot risk this for good will.” The situation in the U.S., however, cannot be met by such an argument from the Israelis because the good will in question is not a fringe benefit that one can dispense with: it is the key element in Israeli defense, for without it, American military arms will flow more slowly or will be delayed in an emergency. Israel needs American good will as much as it needs American arms. The fact that a different policy may increase danger in one respect must be balanced by the fact that it makes possible the continuation of defense in another.

    I—and others, in Israel, and out—believe there is such a policy that fulfills all these conditions. It is a policy which I suspect most American opinion—perhaps most American Jewish opinion—thought was Israeli policy after the 1967 war, but which in recent years, it has become clear, is less and less Israel’s policy. The policy I have in mind is for Israel to say and mean that all the gains of the 1967 war will be given up for real peace—recognition, open frontiers, trade, guarantees for peace, and for Israel to say it will talk to any parties to the dispute face to face to achieve such a settlement. There are many arguments to be made in favor of such a policy: while most of the world seemed to accept the 1967 frontiers as legitimate (they had, after all, lasted almost 20 years), none of it accepts the present frontiers as permanent; that some of the parties on the Arab side and in time, perhaps most, might be willing to accept the 1967 borders as permanent, but none will ever accept the present frontiers as permanent, or any frontiers that include part of the 1967 conquests; and that Israel needs most of all in the world, peace based on legitimacy.

    While no one can dismiss the argument that the Arabs will never accept anything but the destruction of Israel, the policy proposed here has a safeguard. The return to the 1967 borders is based on actions that the Arab states must take, actions that have been enormously difficult for them to take in the past, but which if they do take now would signify a willingness to say to their people that they must begin to contemplate living with Israel in peace. We should not underestimate the significance of such words. Words principally will be required from the Arab states at this point but what is required in exchange for all the territories are infinitely important words—recognition, acceptance, regular trade and tourist relations, the ending of the boycott, and some of these involve actions as well as words.

    I know the difficulties Israel faces as a democratic state in adopting such a policy, but if this policy is the means by which the support from the U.S. is continued to be assured and peace may ultimately be glimpsed, too, then Israeli leaders must be bold enough to propose it and argue for it with their people. It is playacting for Israel to say in the present juncture we will keep this, and we will need that, and we are not really sure what we can give back. The situation has never existed in which such options were open to Israel: the Arabs would never accept them and no nation in the world would support Israel in changing the 1967 borders.

    To conclude: Israeli security now depends almost entirely on American support, political and military. That support is crucially, though not entirely, dependent on the pressure of American Jews in support of Israel. A policy which American public opinion cannot accept as just is not a policy that the U.S. can continue to uphold; and the efforts of American Jews to uphold American support for it will then also weaken. The present course is clearly dangerous to Israel’s survival; the alternative offers some hope, first and at the least, for an important public relations advantage today—not unimportant in a democracy—but also—and this I admit is more doubtful—for an ultimate settlement in the future.

    A few comments:

    I don’t think there is a more frank and candid description of the role of the Israel lobby to be found at that stage of its existence. Notice there is no bullshit about Christian Zionism being Israel’s pillar, or George Washington and Abraham Lincoln wanting the return to Jerusalem, as Zionism’s defenders claim today, when there is a whole propaganda industry dedicated to denying what Glazer states baldly: Israel depends on American Jews, because it’s not in American material or strategic interests to support it.

    Just what Nathan Glazer said in 1976, Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer, two non-Jewish scholars, said 30 years later in the London Review of Books. They got smeared as anti-Semites for telling the truth about the pro-Israel Jewish community’s influence and the neoconservative impetus for the Iraq war. Though they were read in the highest offices of government, and ignited the Israel lobby debate, which continues at the margins of the mainstream to this day– with a yearly conference on the matter coming next month in Washington.

    Notice what Glazer got wrong. He said that supporting Israel as it grew progressively isolated was so much against American interests that Jewish pressure would end up undermining the Jewish position in the United States. Not so! American Jewish support only got stronger for 40 years, Breira was pushed off stage (in part through the offices of young ideologue Wolf I. Blitzer), and Israel kept erasing the 1967 lines and getting more and more isolated. But American stayed at its side. Glazer says Israeli Jews are wrong to believe that the U.S. can be pushed around; but maybe they aren’t. That is precisely what Benjamin Netanyahu said in his famous hot-mic moment in 2002: The U.S. can be easily moved. And the war against radical Islam is only cementing the bond.

    Why was Glazer so wrong? As I have insisted in all discussions of the Israel lobby, the lobby’s success cannot be disentwined from the rise of Jews into the establishment. Glazer was writing at a time when Alan Dershowitz had angrily threatened to leave Harvard Law School unless a Jew was finally named dean. Glazer and Dershowitz could not have imagined the degree of Jewish inclusion that was to follow the 70s, with Jews at the heads of global industries from finance to education to Hollywood, and in leading positions in government and media, including three Jews on the Supreme Court. The US establishment came to rely on the Jewish presence; and part of the deal was deference to the Israel lobby.

    That deal may well be unraveling as we speak. So Nathan Glazer’s words are prescient after all.

    In 2014, Bruce Shipman, the Episcopalian chaplain at Yale, lost his job for writing in a letter to the New York Times saying that Israel’s onslaught on Gaza, which had killed 2200 Palestinians, was fueling anti-semitism around the world; and the best antidote was for “Israel’s patrons abroad to press the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for final-status resolution to the Palestinian question.” Last week the New York Times ran another letter with a very similar message. Roderick Balfour, a descendant of Arthur Balfour, the British foreign secretary who penned the Balfour Declaration, said that Israel’s inability to respect Palestinian rights “coupled with the expansion into Arab territory of the Jewish settlements, are major factors in growing anti-Semitism around the world.”

    Glazer was saying the same thing when he warned that there would be “hostility” toward American Jews unless they put pressure on Israel to announce that it would end the occupation. The great pity is that American Jews have not heeded his advice for 40 years; and the occupation is more solid than ever; and no one who studies the conflict can imagine a peaceful resolution.

  128. @utu

    Utu, just need to verify if you’re “Jewish.” Then we can proceed.

  129. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Quartermaster

    Predictably, at 132 comments and counting, she has yet to respond to anyone.

  130. RobinG says:
    @Sam Shama

    Take a rest? Maybe you should take a powder. It certainly is a free country, and we’re talking about what we think is important. In this case, that ADL drums up allegations of anti-Jewishness so they can justify their fundraising appeals.

    But Foxman was obviously not the subject of my comment. The film depicts the Israeli indoctrination of their youth, and it’s not fear, it’s hate. Most of us could care less about the Jewish/Israeli psychosis. Pathetic, but their problem. What rankles us is the Israel Lobby hijacking US foreign policy.

    You wrote, “I think all manner of false, inauthentic and ultimately destructive impositions on Israel and the region will be resolved….” I’m glad I saw that. Impositions on Israel????? Now I know why some of the guys here give you such a hard time. Maybe I’m a little slow, but it’s over now.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  131. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    The importance of America reclaiming it’s identity protects it from the Jewish experiment it has become where now even absolute truths are questioned. Trump seems to be taking courageous steps forward in this regard through his reversing of the very symbolically significant transgender bathroom law and his controversial no Jew mentioning Holocaust statement. Though I still peg him as a Zionist, he is starting to give me some hope that he may be on to something here. Trump’s attempt to restrengthen the American Christian identity will help protect it somewhat from the moral and constitutional erosion of this nation that the Jews are spearheading for the sake of their tribe and their beloved Israel. From attempting to outlaw boycotts and criticism of Israel to the proxies wars their Neocons wage, they had big plans with Hillary and now at least there is a fighting chance we can avert Jewish subjugation. But if there is one action that Trump can take that could change everything for the better, it would be forcing AIPAC to register as a foreign agent. This would set the foundation for separating American politics from the Zionist cancer that has been eating at it for years. When Robert Kennedy was killed mysteriously by a lone Palestinian, he was in the midst of a fierce battle to force AIPAC’s parent organization ZOA to register as a foreign agent. This was as vicious of a battle with the Zionists as was the one JFK fought against Israel when it was trying to become nuclear and where JFK mysteriously was murdered too. Anyways, after RFK was murdered, the foreign agent issue was never pushed again, setting the path for the foreign infiltration of our government today. This has to be stopped and the timing couldn’t be more perfect, the nation is ready for it and will trust Trump over the media and it will bring into plainview the nature of the beast holding this country hostage. Trump publicizing this fight for the American people to witness would be a game changer.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/pulsemedia.org/2009/08/28/the-kennedys-vs-israels-lobby/amp/

  132. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:
    @attilathehen

    All joking aside, based on the commenting here, Talha sounds a lot smarter than you buddy ;). But I get it, he’s just inferior cuz he is LOL, I think you really showed him bro!

  133. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:
    @attilathehen

    Pull your panties up, dude, you sound like you’re getting moist waiting for Trump to come save your day just because you feel stupid from being outwitted by someone smarter than you. 😉

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  134. @Jason Liu

    Chinese-American is an oxymoron. Chinese had nothing to do with American or Western history. Your issues don’t count.

  135. Art says:

    I am sickened by the compulsion of some American Jews to force President Donald Trump to convulse over Jewish angst.

    There is reason and just cause for this compulsion.

    The US Jews are apoplectic about Trump because he says “America First.”

    The emotion they feel is an authentic fear, built on inescapable personal “guilt.” They themselves are NOT “America First” – they know in their mind that they are traitors. They know that they are first loyal to the Jew tribe first and then to Israel. Anyone who reminds them of their traitor-ship is exposing them and will be feared and trashed. They must purge those words out of American culture.

    Does Trump realize that when he says “America First” that a Jew’s gut turns upside down – that the Jew must face his big lie – his big loyalty lie? I don’t think he has a clue.

    Jews are compelled to be convulsive boobs when it comes to Jew tribal matters. As children, they are terrorized into thinking that the whole world hates them – they do not have a normal childhood where neighborliness for humanity is taught. They are taught to always fear – they can never matriculate into full human-ship – they must always be apart from humanity – thus the craziness – very sad!

    Peace — Art

  136. @Mark Green

    I don’t normally “white knight” but this remarkably illogical and poorly researched comment really triggered me:

    What a manipulating writer and dishonest article. All Ilana Mercer ever thinks about is the always-imperiled safety of HER precious people, never the reverse. Her hyper-ethnocentrism is both insulting and small-minded.

    So you’re opposed to—indeed, disgusted by— ethnocentrism, in this case a Jew wondering whether certain policies are good or bad for Jews? You must also be opposed to Europeans and Euro-Americans (as well as Japanese, Palestinians, Bolivians, Nigerians, etc.) analyzing whether certain policies are good or bad for them, right?

    What a crazy random happenstance that, of all the ethnic groups in the world whose present and/or historical ethnocentrism you could have devoted your comment to criticizing, you chose one that represents less than 0.2% of the world’s population.

    Isn’t it about time that gentiles kept running tabs on the threats, humiliations, and genuine security issues posed by Jews upon them?

    What about the impact of Jewish activism on all of humanity, Ilana? It’s bone-crushing!

    I’m just curious, do you also believe in the principle of collective guilt as it applies to Europeans, or just Jews? For example, do you think that, as many leftists (ludicrously) do, present-day Europeans are responsible for the atrocities committed against non-white indigenes during colonialism, and thus owe a huge moral debt to said non-Europeans today?

    Shall we do a body count, starting with the Russian revolution?

    And how about Israel’s nuclear arsenal?

    Why isn’t Israel’s undeclared array of nuclear WMD not considered a critical security threat to the entire region? After all, it is.

    The ethnic composition of early 20th century Communist movements and Middle Eastern high geopolitics definitely seem very relevant to this article about Muslim immigration and the relationship of Jewish interest organizations thereof.

    Can we talk about it?–or is doing so ‘anti-Semitic’?

    Yeah, when does anybody in the United States or Europe ever debate whether Israel’s behavior and the US’s enablement thereof is good or not? I hear it’s a particularly trivial issue on college campuses. And prominent, passionate, American critics of the Israeli state’s behavior, like Noam Chomsky, Norman Finklestein and Glenn Greenwald, are also all Gentiles.

    Again, this all seems very relevant to the original article.

    Ilana Mercer is a hasbara operative posing as a Zio-libertarian

    I have no idea, not being a frequent reader of Mercer’s work, whether this is true or not, though judging from the first page of her published articles on Unz dot com and Wiki page it doesn’t really seem like an accurate characterization of her place in the American political ecosystem.

    Regardless, it seems like the appropriate place to raise such concerns about Mercer’s views about Israel and/or American foreign policy would be…an article actually about Israel and/or American foreign policy.

    ‘Why do those evil anti-Semites hate us so?’

    I do indeed find it difficult to understand why you have such intense anger about these particular issues, and why you translate your nominal disagreement with the behavior of the Israeli and American governments and militaries into hatred of Jews as a people.

    You’ll be shocked to hear this, I know, but many people are capable of articulating critiques of decisions made by governments, like that of Israel, without also randomly foaming at the mouth with hatred at people who have the same ethnic background as members of said governments.

    Indeed, if she was a libertarian, Mercer would caution us Americans to mind our own business and stop waging non-essential wars against distant Muslim states. This is what Ron Paul has been doing for decades. Not Mercer.

    Indeed, if you were an intellectually honest human being, you would have at least, say, done a cursory Google search and Wikipedia perusal to see if your claims were easily disproved. Mercer apparently opposed the Libya and Iraq interventions and has long criticized neoconservatism (Wiki credits her with coming up with Steve Sailer’s beloved “invade the world/invite the world” framing.)

    Thus, even by your own fallacious “you don’t talk/talk often enough about my pet hobbyhorse, your argument is invalid” standard, your argument is wrong. Sad!

    Of course, when exposing the perfidy and power of The Jews, it’s hardly necessarily to waste one’s time doing “factual research” to separate real facts from alternative facts.

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    , @anonymous
  137. Wally says: • Website
    @Anon

    It’s annoying for Anon because he doesn’t stand a chance when debating informed Revisionists.

    “There’s no business like $hoah business.”

    see the impossible ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:
    http://codoh.com
    The ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers
    No name calling, level playing field debate here:
    http://forum.codoh.com

    Yet another Jew staged / fake antisemitic crime:
    https://newtownbee.com/first-degree-arson-arrest-police-allege-package-store-owner-faked-crime/
    &
    https://newtownbee.com/police-chief-investigators-tirelessley-working-first-ever-robbery-hate-crime/

    • Replies: @Anon
  138. @Talha

    Umm, have you read some of the comments at UNZ. “Push them into the sea!” apparently is quite popular on this side of the pond – I had no clue.

    I think the “Jews exaggerate Western anti-Semitism”/”kill all Jews” ratio in the Unz comment sections is…maybe 10,000 to 1 at a conservative estimate?

    OK – please send massive memos to your folks to stop the influx now – they are in the thick of advocating it (and also setting about the causes of it by advocating destabilizing Muslim countries). Please figure out what the hell you want!

    Wow, just wow. You do realize that was the entire point of the article?

    Which is why practically ever place Islam spread to and kicked out the prevailing Byzantine or Persian or Visigoth, etc. order, your folks thought it was a blessing from God that He raised up the ‘Kingdom of Ismael’:

    I suspect the historical toleration by Muslims of Jews in the Middle East is why the sentence you quoted specified “this” Islam, as opposed to “all Islam that has ever existed anywhere ever.”

    Doh – I guess we’ll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y’all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    The nuances of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict seem very relevant to this article about immigration to the US.

    This is a major problem because many Jewish groups insist that criticism of Israel is anti-semitic – therefore they want to back us up into a corner. Sorry, we won’t play that game. We can oppose Israel without hating on Jews. If you can’t see that – it’s your problem, not ours.

    Except for the Jewish organizations, like J Street and Jewish Voice for Peace, that criticize Israel and those who broadly define anti-Semitism to include reasonable criticisms of Israel.

    Also, the Unz comments sections are probably not the best place to make the case that we shouldn’t think about criticism of Israel as being related to anti-Semitism. (This is hopefully apparent regardless of whether one thinks anti-Semitism is a good or bad thing.)

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  139. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    There are no such things as “informed revisionists.”

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  140. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG

    Yes, I’m quivering at the thought.

  141. joe webb says:
    @RobinG

    ok thanks, but he looks asia minor, as in turkic. I think I so characterized him and he did not contradict my phenotypic comment.

    whatever…then he has some commie in him, and russian slavism. Farbeit from me to rundown Russians, but I see a lot of negative characterizations of Russians with people who know something.

    I have a Russian friend, female about 30 and looks white. I asked her about the negative assessments one hears abut Russians. She said, yeah we are pirates. Now I am willing to entertain certain Cultural arguments, particularly after about 75 years of communist cultural subversion, jewish and russian. Result has been lots of graft, etc.

    Whether slavs, or russians have some problems…could be….long way from Europe to deep Russia, and even Moscow….no magic carpets until recently, in terms of evolution and gene exchange.
    Have not lived in Berzerkeley in decades, and never get over there, what with traffic and so on.
    Joe Webb

  142. joe webb says:
    @Sam Shama

    you gotta be jew crazy. The jews/israel are the single largest danger to the whole world. They take biologism too far. They take Darwin too far. They take tribalism too far. They take hatred too far. Fact is, every single nationalistic principle..or dynamic, they take too far, way too far.

    Kaplan’s book, The Arabists, provide so many comments on the Jew character, and some on the Arab as well…..everybody should read it. And Kaplan served in the IDF, was For the Iraq war, and then regretted it. And has lots of elisions in the book, from my point of view. Yet, he appears to admit that his east European cousins …Israelies, are , shall we say, pushy, etc.

    Like do you call Israel Established, or do you call the whole jewish caper a Conquest? That sort of thing

    I particularly enjoyed this one, page 170: a Murphy, a Foreign Service guy talks about getting screwed by an arab newspaper in a story…” I made the mistake to trying to reason with them…”

    Then another: James Moore, Jr. remarked that Arabic “opens the door to an empty room.” p. 176 F (I assigned letters to the photo pages)

    The comments on Israeli character are typical of the sorts of things we say here on Unz. My personal experience with Israelis is that they are more objective than American Jews. Lots of funny ones that UR folks would enjoy….dozens. Of course funny flies out the window wth the Jew Nukes raining down.

    This book should be on your shelf for providing great history , almost month by month for almost a century. Important….the Protestant Misionary Altruism, white guy altruism…and their anti-semitism…very important to understand this. These were the white pioneering missionaries starting about 1920 who morphed into theArabists who tried to keep the jews Out. But as Kaplan keeps saying, they did not understand American political realities, in other words, Jews and their Amen Corner Enablers/voters.

    The Arabs loved us until the jews showed up. that is the fundamental truth. The missionaries gave up on trying to convert anybody, and built schools and hospitals…more White altruism, and the Arabs were grateful . That was then.

    by the way, to another comment , these missionaries were not Lawrences of Araby, per another post that dismisses the missionary white boys and girls who lived in Araby for generations.
    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @mcohen
    , @Sam Shama
  143. joe webb says:
    @Sam Shama

    Sammy boy…’troublesome” for who? rhymes with pew. jw

  144. Theoretically Jews are not semites. Abraham and his sister wife were born from Syrian mother.
    So go figure!

  145. @Anon-og

    Your degeneracy is showing. You are Tahlas white knight. Are you Jewish, involved with Asians, a Hilhag grrl? I’ll wait for Tahla to reply. It’s a discussion between him and me. When you do something brave, like burn a Koran among Muslims, let me know. Two castratos against one girl, and you still can’t defeat me.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  146. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hey Sam,

    I’ll admit, this is not my area of expertise. I’ll let the economists hash it out. Though I do know one of the four Sunni schools (I can’t recall which one) is absolutely a Libertarian’s dream – it advocates no government interference in the economy whatsoever, even in emergencies. The other ones run a spectrum.

    You may not like his economics, but his principles were a sight to behold. He’s too old unfortunately and I will miss him when he’s gone. America missed a great opportunity – a principled, honest man like that doesn’t come but once or twice in a lifetime.

    Peace.

  147. MEexpert says:
    @attilathehen

    Hey bro, remember you’re Pakistani (average Paki IQ 84). I will admit you have a couple more points though. But you still are inferior to a Christian Caucasian woman.

    You mean like Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi.

  148. Talha says:
    @attilathehen

    Hey da’ hen,

    But you still are inferior to a Christian Caucasian woman.

    This is true, I look horrible in high heels.

    Now knock off the teasing, I told you I’m already married to a White woman and my spiritual teacher won’t let me take a second.

    Question: Why are all the High IQ countries the ones least likely to perpetuate their genetics?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  149. mcohen says:
    @joe webb

    joe webb says

    “And has lots of elisions in the book, from my point of view”

    who said you can have a pov,how many fucking times do i have to say it……only adults are allowed pov’s.
    take it out of your mouth and put it back in the box.

  150. MEexpert says:
    @attilathehen

    Your degeneracy is showing. You are Tahlas white knight. Are you Jewish, involved with Asians, a Hilhag grrl? I’ll wait for Tahla to reply. It’s a discussion between him and me. When you do something brave, like burn a Koran among Muslims, let me know. Two castratos against one girl, and you still can’t defeat me.

    Typical losers behavior. When losing start calling names. Furthermore, this is an open forum. Anyone can comment on any post.

    Now, let me ask you some questions. Are you Jewish? If you are, tell me who is a Semite? Also why does criticizing Israel constitute anti-Semiticism?

    Burning the Qur’an is really an act of bravery. How many Qur’ans have you burned or are you a coward?

  151. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    Some clarification is due; I can see how my words might offend someone unnecessarily. Though the truth hurts, I did not actually mean to single out Christianity in insinuating that it is and has always been merely a hobby religion. As far as I’m concerned, there is a pathology in the West that tries to turn all religions into a hobby – that is the context in which I referenced Christianity. This is not healthy. If one cannot distinguish, neither in attire, language, mannerisms, goal, or lifestyle between the adherent of one religion or another – other than a perfunctory weekly gathering nor can it be bothered as its symbols are removed from the public domain – then the religion has entered hobby status.

    I live in a neighborhood just south of a heavy Jewish area; I can immediately see that some Jews obviously treat their religion like a hobby while some take it very seriously – it is the core of their meaning.

    As far as Christianity as a whole; a religion that once birthed men like Francis of Assisi, inspired the beautiful Gothic cathedrals and helped guide the pens of those that charted Anglo-Saxon law – that is no hobby religion.

    People like Mike and Stonehands know what I’m talking about.

    Peace.

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    , @lavoisier
  152. MEexpert says:
    @John Chard

    that we shouldn’t think about criticism of Israel as being related to anti-Semitism.

    Why is criticism of Israel anti-Semitisms? Did you know that the first prime minister of Israel, David Ben-Gurion, and several of the early leaders were atheists?

  153. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    How many Jewish kids do you know? Or have spoken to who fear others? No Jewish kid I know – and I am fairly sure I know a few more than you do – live in fear of others.

    If you and yours do not fear – why are you here – why the hasbara legions – why the instant whining about WWII – why the massive Israeli army – why 200 nukes – why the coercion of congress – why the takeover of the media et al?

    Your actions speak louder then your words – you Jews are in a constant defensive mode – your words belie your true feelings of fear – your confidence is a mile wide, but an inch thick.

    As you traumatize your kids with fear, you pump them with a hateful vile bravado – an intolerable bravado you grownup Jews are just too stupid to give up.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Shame on the Jew for what they do to their youth – all that potential forever wallowing in hate. So sad!

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  154. Karl says:
    @Talha

    > allows Palestinians the right to resist, with force, illegal occupation.

    you prefer the slow-motion war, as being advantageous to you.

    but you can’t always get what you want, shipmate.

    Spain was liberated from Islam yesterday; Rakhine is being liberated from Islam today – and Jerusalem will be liberated from Islam tomorrow.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Johann Ricke
  155. Karl says:
    @MEexpert

    23 MEexpert > They had Christ killed

    …God the Father didn’t exactly cut Jesus a set of orders reciting: “Go to Jerusalem on Spring Break with your carpentry earnings, and fuck lots of hot Midianite chicks”, did He?

    Jesus wanted the suicide mission – he got the suicide mission.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  156. Karl says:
    @pyrrhus

    10 Pyrrhus > The unpleasant fact is that if Islam takes over France, it will control quite a number of thermonuclear weapons

    Pakistan already has a number of fission weapons. They don’t seem to have any interest in using it to create a “palestine”. In fact, they only **documented** thing that Pakistan forces have done in the Levant is – slaughter 20,000 Palestinians who got uppity and tried to “Black September” their way into the Palace in Amman. For which, they were handsomely paid by the Saudi-blooded family which was living in said Palace.

    Anyone here besides me, read any Urdu? Take my word for it, the Pakistanis have quite a stormy set of feelings about Arabs. ESPECIALLY Gulf Arabs.

    hey! What exactly *is* that rifle that Ms Hijabi is holding… an M-16 variant? I don’t recognize it.

  157. mcohen says:

    wonder what some women mean by “tongue in cheek”

  158. iffen says:
    @Talha

    People like Mike and Stonehands know what I’m talking about.

    I do now as well.

    I am a pessimist, but I have an irrational optimistic streak that fights its way through on occasion and interferes with the meager thinking process that I have been blessed/cursed with.

    I have gone to the other side, Talha.

    Islam is incompatible with liberal democracy.

    No further immigration into the US from Muslim countries should be allowed.

  159. Talha says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Hey Smoothie,

    But Muslims do have a reputation, so to speak, and it is not a good one

    Yup – we have to turn the ship around on this one big time – and no, I don’t mean as part of some PR spin. We have to do some serious soul-searching as to why the extremist strain has been able to get this far out of control. A balance has to be struck; we don’t want to neuter our religion, but we need to get our youth on board with the tradition – ASAP. It is literally killing us.

    the moment I hear Sharia my hand automatically reaches to my Ruger

    I can understand that – makes total sense. Too many Muslims have a blood-thirsty mob mentality going on right now – there is a serious lack of mercy in their hearts and calm and reasoned thinking in their minds. They want to chop off hands – that is the problem – I find this frightening as well. For the traditional scholars, the more hands they save the better – until we get this mental and spiritual state back, we don’t deserve to be able to implement the Shariah.

    Peace.

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  160. Talha says:
    @Karl

    Hey Karl,

    but you can’t always get what you want, shipmate.

    True that.

    Rakhine is being liberated from Islam today

    Oh, you mean the Daesh-style ethnic cleansing campaign:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/burma-rohingya-muslim-babies-children-slaughtered-knives-massacre-genocide-un-warns-a7561711.html

    OK – I guess some call it liberation. I mean, it is our fault – lack of collective will on the part of the Ummah to do anything about it. It’s a shame actually, we have a bunch of Chechens and Uzbeks tied up committing lunacy in Iraq and Syria. If they had their heads on straight they would flood in to Rakhine and set up a safety zone for the Rohingya – they make great shock troops and would give the Burmese military a run for their money.

    and Jerusalem will be liberated from Islam tomorrow

    It already has been by the fact that there are gay pride parades held in the Holy City in which the prophets walked:
    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.732700

    Do you seriously think that would happen if Islam was in charge? But we have time – ultimately it’s in His hands – the liberation of Jerusalem will come at the hands of the worthy, and we are proving ourselves to be unworthy at the moment. The names of Umar ibn al-Khattab (ra) and Salahuddin (ra) are not going to be followed by some chump from the PA.

    Peace.

  161. Sam Shama says:
    @Art

    As to the reasons for my presence here, I imagine it is somewhat different from that for which you lurk around. Actually why do you lurk around? There, you now have a perfect basis to go on a missionary’s soliloquy!

    Why do the U.S./Russia/China/India/France and others have nuclear weapons? And now your fervent wish is for Iran to possess a load as well! Sorry, can’t have that.

    Are you really so oblivious to reality as to believe that a few random lachrymose young skirts, featured on videos you and Robin seem to preserve like aging vinegar; endorse and offer with the unflinching zeal of a preacher, encapsulate the upbringing, disposition, and attitude of an entire population?

    I suppose putting it down to your respective memberships in that special race of beings so little modeled after the accepted lines of cogency, all this is laughable.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
    , @Art
  162. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    Islam is incompatible with liberal democracy.

    In the ultimate sense of what liberal democracy means and demands – agreed. Ultimately, it is a question of demographics. I’m just not sure liberal democracy is compatible in the long run with a functioning society – this is all a fairly recent phenomenon in human history. We are all guinea pigs in an experiment – we’ll see what happens once the dust clears.

    Liberal democracy endorses hyper-individualism – is that a good or bad thing – that is ultimately the question. Here is a great read from a Muslim perspective about the human need for ‘tribes’:
    https://convivencia.co/finding-our-tribe-in-a-modern-world-f4c2cfd981e4#.gzh1dfrm3

    No further immigration into the US from Muslim countries should be allowed.

    I can respect that – people got to implement policies that they feel are in the best interests of the nation as a whole – this is also ultimately a question of demographics.

    My best friend was over yesterday, we were having a hoot about how we should start a Muslim advocacy group for the declining White population called ‘Save the Whites’. It’s funny, but we were both saying it’s a shame White people are declining, we want them to stick around, we don’t want to be left in charge – we’ll screw the whole enterprise up! We came to get away from the nonsense in our previous countries – that was the point – we don’t want to transport that crap here. Please don’t go!

    One Muslim comedian stated; you know why we’re so afraid of being put in internment camps – we’re going to have to be around Muslims all day!

    The analogy of the West is like a man who spent a great deal of time and effort setting up a great family business that would have been a jewel to pass onto his sons, but the dude was so busy, he forgot to have kids – and now he’s got no one to bequeath it to but the idiot neighbor’s kid.

    Muslims have our problems, West has its problems – it’s just a question of which problems are more fundamental; lack of organization and aptitude or lack of meaning and purpose.

    Peace.

  163. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    Islam is incompatible with liberal democracy.

    I came across this very interesting article from Moment magazine. The magazine describes itself as “an independent voice in the Jewish American community.”

    Was interested in getting people’s views on the author’s thesis that there are “many obvious parallels between Judaism’s legal system, known as halacha, and the Islamic legal order of sharia.”

    The article, Why Jews Can’t Criticize Sharia Law, was written by Marshall Breger, a professor of law at the Columbus School of Law, The Catholic University of America:

    [MORE]

    Similarities between Judaism and Islam are easy to see. Both are monotheistic religions for whom the Lord is One. Both are religions based on revelation. In both, law is central, and personal and social existence is governed by a divinely ordained legal system.

    There are also many obvious parallels between Judaism’s legal system, known as halacha, and the Islamic legal order of sharia. Both purport to instruct us in how to attend to every aspect of one’s life: one’s getting up and one’s going out, one’s sexual practice and one’s business practices. For some adherents of each, religious law also dictates political life, such as for whom to vote. Despite this kinship, there are those in the Jewish community who would condemn Islam and sharia, arguing that, unlike Judaism, Islam is not worthy of the protections of American law.

    David Yerushalmi, author of a model law banning sharia, argues that sharia differs from halacha because of its different “threat matrix.” Sharia, he tells us, requires faithful Muslims to impose Islamic law on the world “violently,” and its adherents should be charged with sedition against the United States. Rabbi Jon Hausman, a self-styled “warrior rabbi” from Massachusetts, tells us that in Judaism, unlike Islam, the law of the state is the law (in Aramaic, dina d’malchuta dina) so you don’t have to worry about such religious “imperialism.”

    These commentators’ understanding of both sharia and halacha is markedly defective.

    1. As Hausman surely knows, the reach of dina d’malchuta dina is debated among rabbinic commentators. Some limit the application of the Jewish legal system to property issues, others extend it to apply to all secular law that does not violate Jewish law. In any case, Hausman’s suggestion that halacha is a personal legal system—not relevant to civic life and politics—neglects both Jewish history and halacha itself. In Baghdad during the Middle Ages and in Poland during the time of the Council of the Four Lands, from the 16th to the 18th centuries, for instance, Jewish communities had their own courts, and Jewish law was enforced by secular authorities. And even today, thousands of Jews in both the United States and Israel look to rabbinic courts and halacha to resolve all manner of civil disputes.

    While clearly some Muslims do view sharia as a hegemonic political force, the vast majority of Muslims, especially those living in the West, view sharia no differently from the way Jews view the halachic system: as an overarching guide to ordering one’s life. Muslim jurists have always drawn on sharia to mandate that fellow Muslims obey the laws of the land in matters that sharia does not prohibit. In numerous instances (see Koran 5:11), Muslims are told to “honor their contracts” and so to honor the “social contract” represented by the law of the land. The Fiqh Council of North America, the leading interpreter of Islamic law in the United States, ruled as recently as September 2011 that “there is no inherent conflict between the normative values of Islam and the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights.”

    2. Daniel Pipes recounts in a 2009 article an incident in England when the Indian Muslim owner of an old age home near Manchester proposed to switch to serving only halal food in the facility. After residents complained, the owner retracted the policy. To Pipes, the owner’s desire to remove pork from the menu, even though apparently not implemented, is proof that Islam wishes to impose itself on all around it. But is this drive for “imperium” the only explanation?

    Indeed, Jewish law would have great sympathy for the position taken by the Indian entrepreneur. Though there are gray areas, Jewish law generally holds that one cannot benefit (or profit) from the sale of mixed milk and meat products. The legal compendium the Shulhan Aruch forbids Jews from selling non-kosher products on a regular basis (Yoreh De’ah 117.1). And anyone who has read Daphne Barak-Erez’s 2007 monograph Outlawed Pigs: Law, Religion, and Culture in Israel will appreciate the difficulties of commerce in pork products (or “white meat” as it is politely called) in Israel.

    3. Critics of Islam make much of the Shiite legal doctrine of taqquia and the related concept of kitman, which allow one to dissemble or evade by misdirection in order to save a life or community from imminent destruction (see Koran 16:106). For these critics, the takeaway is that Muslims lie when it is in their interest, so we cannot trust their promises or make treaties with them. But numerous Koranic references tell the believer to “mix not the truth with falsehood nor conceal the truth when you know what it is” (2:42). And further, “Conceal not [the truth]; for whomever conceals it is burdened with sin” (2:283).

    Again, we must look to Jewish law analogues. Even the Chofetz Chaim, the rabbinic scholar most associated with truth-telling, allows “white lies” when they will produce social and interpersonal peace. (No threat of imminent destruction is required.) Maimonides allows one to lie about one’s religion to save one’s own life. And does anyone remember the Marranos?

    My point is not to analyze the nuances of halacha, let alone sharia, but rather to underscore the inconsistency of attacking Islam for activities that Jewish law and practice would also permit, or even require.

    These broadside attacks on sharia are reminiscent of Jewish polemical literature after the rise of Islam in the seventh and eighth centuries designed to show Judaism as superior. Later scholars such as the Meiri, though, moved on from polemics to classify Islam as a monotheistic religion close to Judaism. While there are certainly fundamentalist interpretations of Islam that we rightfully find dangerous and deplorable, it is time that Jews in America go beyond “gotcha” polemics and stop treating sharia and Islam as illegitimate expressions of man’s search for the divine.

    http://www.momentmag.com/why-jews-cant-criticize-sharia-law/

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Sam Shama
  164. MEexpert says:
    @Karl

    Jesus wanted the suicide mission – he got the suicide mission.

    So now you want to blame Jesus for letting Jews kill him. I don’t know if you are Jewish but that is what Jews’ exit strategy is. Do bad things and blame the victim. They sucked the blood out of Germans. When Hitler retaliated he became the scapegoat. Similarly, it is the Palestinian’s fault that they are being displaced or killed in the Middle East.

    Hey Ilana Mercer, I have a solution. Let us take all the Jews, including their supporters, and send them back to Israel. No Jews in the US, no terrorism problem. America will be safe again. Result will be a period of peace and prosperity, the likes of which Americans have never seen before. I can just imagine what a beautiful country this will be without the likes of Shumers, Kristols, Kagans, Sabans, Adelsons, Soros, and all the neocons.

    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Seraphim
  165. geokat62 says:

    Are you really so oblivious to reality as to believe that a few random lachrymose young skirts, featured on videos you and Robin seem to preserve like aging vinegar; endorse and offer with the unflinching zeal of a preacher, encapsulate the upbringing, disposition, and attitude of an entire population?

    After reading a few haaretz articles, it appears the consequences of sending off high school students to auschwitz are being hotly debated:

    What Really Happens on Israeli Students’ Holocaust Trips to Poland?

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.718360

    Why Israelis Are Refusing to Send Their Kids on School Trips to Auschwitz

    http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.717866

    Leading Israeli Principal Warns Annual Trip to Concentration Camps Fuel Extreme Nationalism

    http://time.com/4285002/herzilya-gymnasium-cancels-camp-trips/

    • Replies: @geokat62
  166. MEexpert says:
    @Sam Shama

    Why do the U.S./Russia/China/India/France and others have nuclear weapons? And now your fervent wish is for Iran to possess a load as well! Sorry, can’t have that.

    You forgot to add Israel. Question. Why can’t Iran have nuclear weapons? Every country needs to do whatever is necessary to defend itself from the bullies of the world. Iran has perfect right to have nuclear weapons, since she is surrounded by hostile countries who are constantly threatening to bomb it.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  167. geokat62 says:
    @geokat62

    For those too busy to read the articles I linked to, I should mention what the motivation is for revisiting the policy of sending high school students to Poland. It is a very disturbing trend taking hold of Israeli society. Ironically enough, it is a fear of fascism spreading throughout their society and taking firmer root… btw – the statistics they cite are alarming.

  168. @MEexpert

    Burning the Qur’an is really an act of bravery.

    It is? What is brave about it?

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  169. @iffen

    Islam is incompatible with liberal democracy.

    Wow, what an original thinker you are!

    Well, not really. You’re just repeating some canned talking point. For starters, for your statement to be meaningful, you would have to know what Islam is, and also what “liberal democracy” is. But you don’t have a clue. I guess it’s just that in your reptilian mind, Islam is something that’s not good and “liberal democracy” is good.

    What you’re saying is really about as meaningful as if I said: “A foobar is not compatible with a goobar.” And everybody can then nod sagely as if I said something that makes sense. “Damned right. Our great goobar must be protected from the foobars.”

    • Replies: @iffen
  170. MEexpert says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    You misunderstood me. That was sarcasm. Attilathehen in her post said to do a brave act such as burn a Koran (sic). “Burning the Qur’an is really an act of bravery” was a question for her.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  171. Talha says:
    @geokat62

    Excellent find Geo! This is what we have advocated from the beginning – parallel legal systems that allow people to apply the laws they have belief in to their own communities. This is what was done from the time of the Companions (ra) to this day – for instance, the parallel Shariah courts in places like Malaysia.

    These commentators’ understanding of both sharia and halacha is markedly defective.

    And I would say deceiving and self-serving.

    Here is a good read on the subject from not-too-distant Morocco (‘Straddling Two Laws: Jewish and Islamic Courts in 19th-Century Morocco’):
    “This doubled document encapsulates how Jews lived their lives straddling two sets of laws, with one foot in the system of Jewish courts and the other in the parallel system of Islamic courts. Jewish law thrived in 19th-century Morocco, as in much of the Islamic world; Jews had the right to adjudicate intra-Jewish civil cases in their own courts. But Jews’ legal autonomy did not mean that they were legally isolated. On the contrary, Jews’ legal lives were largely lived in others’ courts, especially in shari’a courts that applied Islamic law. Shari’a courts held jurisdiction over all cases involving Muslims. Since Jews’ commercial endeavors involved Muslims, they had reason to visit Islamic courts on a regular basis. Moreover, Jews voluntarily used Islamic courts even for intraJewish cases, which fell under the jurisdiction of Jewish courts. Jews moved frequently and relatively easily between Morocco’s Jewish and Islamic legal institutions.”
    http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/p/pod/dod-idx/straddling-two-laws-jewish-and-islamic-courts-in-19th.pdf?c=fia;idno=11879367.2013.006

    We believe this solves a hell of a lot of conflicts. One size does not fit all.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  172. @Talha

    Yes, I remember the degenerate white woman you married and you have Pakistani muslim offspring. Your wife committed genetic suicide but at least it won’t interfere with our high IQ peoples.

    • Replies: @Talha
  173. @MEexpert

    I stated I was a Caucasian Christian. Are you Jewish? Involved with Asians?

    I didn’t call Mike Johnson a degenerate, just said he exhibited degeneracy. And calling someone a white knight is not abusive. He has not yet responded to me.

    From where did you you get the criticizing Israel anti-semitic stuff? Jews are a miscegenated, meshuggah melange who do need their own state so they don’t live in our countries.

    I live in an area where Muslims have tried to convert me. I told them they were Christian heretics and IQ inferiors. They walked away. This is better than Koran burning. But that’s next on my list of things to do.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  174. Something seems off with the picture Ron Unz has posted along with Ilana’s article. Anyone take notice?

    Unless she’s transgender, the attractive woman’s hand seems quite out of proportion, and although it exhibits red fingernail polish, the size looks it belongs to one of Kraft’s New England Patriots’ players.

    In addition, the female jihadist’s hand looks non-manicured and suggest she/he has done quite a bit of manual work.

    Moral: Sloppy work! It could be a younger & lovely Vanessa Redgrave’s face imposed on the pic but it can not be her beautiful hand.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @mcohen
  175. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    Marshall Breger tells us nothing greatly insightful. That Islamic law derives non-insignificantly from the Jewish Halacha [for that matter so do many branches of Christian religious law, especially as practiced in the ME, Evangelicals in the US etc] should not surprise anyone.

    Notice how he qualifies that “thousands of Jews in both the United States and Israel look to rabbinic courts and Halacha to resolve all manner of civil disputes.”. Yes thousands, but not millions nor the entire population, and in impact no different than thousands of Americans resolving disputes in the courts of Judge Judy and the likes. Furthermore, Halachic law is superseded by the secular common law of the nation, both in the U.S. and Israel. There are no exceptions.

    I can’t speak with any authority, but Sharia from what I’ve read and understood requires the faithful to act on a principle which seeks to bring all men under its umbrella. Halacha obviously does not.

    Which brings us to the most critical difference; that of the non-proselytising structure of Judaism, one which rather resists conversion into the faith, making the process extremely difficult for anyone but the ablest and the most deeply sincere of conviction and intent.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Art
  176. MEexpert says:

    I stated I was a Caucasian Christian. Are you Jewish? Involved with Asians?

    I am neither.

    From where did you you get the criticizing Israel anti-semitic stuff? Jews are a miscegenated, meshuggah melange who do need their own state so they don’t live in our countries.

    You must have been hibernating all this time if you don’t know that criticizing Israel will label you as anti-Semitic. As a matter of fact, there is a bill in congress that will make it a crime to critize Israel. Not only that, the congress is also trying to criminalize participation in the BDS movement.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  177. Sam Shama says:
    @joe webb

    [you gotta be jew crazy. The jews/israel are the single largest danger to the whole world. They take biologism too far. They take Darwin too far. They take tribalism too far. They take hatred too far. Fact is, every single nationalistic principle..or dynamic, they take too far, way too far.]

    Joe, you may not realise it – a common condition and I’d suggest daily meditation as a curative- but you are getting your thoughts all muddled and as a result speaking from both sides of your mouth. You’ve called all jews ‘crazy liberals and Pinkos’ and subsequently extreme adherents of Darwinism/biologism. Those descriptions are mutually orthogonal. You’ve also in the span of a paragraph or two switched Israelis from being the single most dangerous people on earth to an objective people. Perhaps you meant they are objective in their dangerousness? Which would imply inter alia that their dangerousness [to whomever] is logical?

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @joe webb
  178. Talha says:
    @attilathehen

    Hey da’ hen,

    Your wife committed genetic suicide

    No, actually her older sister did. She (did not convert) married a white guy that ran out on her within two years. She is now past forty, trying to go from one uncommitted white guy or loser white guy to another. She basically has maybe a couple more years before her biological clock has completely ticked out.

    Her youngest sister married an awesome Egyptian guy (who does all the cooking no less!) and has a couple of kids (mashaAllah).

    Let’s take your assumptions at face value and say white guys are the genetic equivalent of ‘the works’ pizza and people like me are an ‘anchovy with mushrooms’. Well, guess what, some woman is not going to go hungry waiting for ‘the works’ if the delivery isn’t coming, if she is smart, she’ll take an ‘anchovy with mushrooms’ any time.

    Look at the comments on UNZ coming in when the topic of women comes up. It is clear that many white people are in love with the concept of ‘whiteness’ but they don’t want to deal with the reality when staring it face-to-face. Plenty of white men seem to be pretty tired of white women and vice versa.

    Mr. Richard Spencer (grand wizard of white dude awesomeness) apparently can’t keep his marriage together – and I wonder how many of his dude-bro retinue are married with kids. Anne Coulter has cranked out plenty of books but not a single kid. Milo? LOL!

    The race traitors among you are the ones steering your ship straight for the iceberg – don’t blame the ones jumping overboard.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @attilathehen
    , @MEexpert
  179. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hey Sam,

    requires the faithful to act on a principle which seeks to bring all men under its umbrella

    This is true in one sense – it is an obligation upon us to spread the religion as with Christianity. But Shariah doesn’t obligate us (or allow us) to impose it upon others – hence the parallel legal systems, as in the article I cited.

    In fact, Muslim scholars were pretty adamant about keeping non-Muslims out of our court system or at least minimizing legal cross-interaction – it gums up the works:
    “In general, however, Muslim scholars had a ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ approach to the reprehensible practices of non-Muslims. They wanted minimum involvement. Imam Shafi’i wrote, “We shall not supervise transactions between you and your coreligionists or other unbelievers nor inquire into them as long as you are content.” Muslim scholars fell into two camps regarding how Muslim judges should deal with non-Muslims who come to their courts for adjudicating disputes. This was a not uncommon occurrence, as evidence from tenth-century Egypt and Baghdad makes clear.8 One camp, most associated with the Shafi’i and Hanbali schools, did not acknowledge the validity of non-Muslim laws in the face of the Shariah; non-Muslim contracts, etc. would only be recognized in as much as they accorded with the Shariah. Imam Shafi’i wrote to non-Muslims who came to a Muslim court that they would be dealt with “according to our law.” According to him, a Muslim judge should not acknowledge the property rights of a Christian over a pig or a barrel of wine, since these items were forbidden and valueless in Islam.9 The second camp, mostly associated with the Hanafi and Maliki schools, took a more subjective approach: because Christians and Jews treated items like wine as property with value to them, Muslims had to acknowledge that status as property.10 So if a Muslim destroyed a Christian’s wine barrel, the Muslim would be liable for compensating the Christian for the damage caused. Even the stricter camp had to accept the realistic inevitability of this subjective approach. For example, a Muslim was allowed to engage in a commercial partnership with non-Muslims even if the non-Muslims’ wealth was acquired from selling wine, pigs or riba, since they believed it was permissible for themselves.11”

    http://almadinainstitute.org/blog/incest-widow-burning-how-much-can-muslims-stomach/

    Peace.

  180. Sam Shama says:
    @MEexpert

    [Question. Why can’t Iran have nuclear weapons?]

    Are you familiar with the notion of offensive realism? The world never has and never will operate from the principle you seem to suggest, one which reduces to “Papa why can’t I have a blunderbuss as well?”. The answer to that childish demand is obvious.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  181. @MEexpert

    I criticize Israel and don’t get called anti-Semitic. I do it from religious and evolutionary perspectives. Logical, consistent. And with Jews being mostly non-white (the Ashkenazi Jews have almost disappeared), the anti-Semitic charge is moot.

    Yes, I know about those congressional measures, but the tide is turning and they will be worthless.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  182. Talha says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Whoa Chuck – good eyes! I do a lot of graphics work and yes, I do see something off about the picture. I wouldn’t be surprised if that was photoshopped into it. There is something lacking in the correct shadows in the face – I can’t put my finger on it exactly.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  183. Hibernian says:
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    “…it is entirely a Christian-European phenomenon.”

    The word Anti-Semitism was coined by a European Christian Anti-Semite. Islamic hatred of the Jewish people has found expression in, among other things, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem’s alliance with Hitler.

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  184. Sean says:
    @Sam Shama

    If Israel is to remain a Jewish state it cannot give the West Bank Arabs full rights within Israel, and to avoid international pariah status as an Apartheid state it will have to give them their own state, but that will require more of the West Bank that is now left unsettled. So there is no way to maintain the character of Israel, given the process that they are locked into, and the outcome will be devastating for the morale of Israelis, with many losing faith in the country and considering immigration.

    Because support for Palestinian rights is seen as nothing but a veil for the only antisemitism that matters in the modern world, it’s quite certain the Diaspora are going to blame the West, and the ones doing the blaming will have the moral critique to crush our bones to make their bread. So a Palestinian state has to be prevented, but is can’t while the Arabs are still in the west Bank.There is only one way:-

    to hope for the collapse of the Hashemite Kingdom and its occupation by Daesh or some similar organization. That would create an opportunity to repeat the events of 1948 and throw the Palestinians of the West Bank across the River Jordan. This is the “solution” a great many Israelis secretly favor. http://www.martin-van-creveld.com/turmoil-in-the-holy-land/

    Unfortunately, the US is pouring vast resources into preventing any such scenario, 100, 000 tonnes of wheat, massive fortifications on the border costing a billion ect, as if it were the US’s job to prop up family dictatorships.

  185. @attilathehen

    I live in an area where Muslims have tried to convert me.

    Oh really? What did that consist of?

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  186. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Talha

    Talha,

    I wish I had the strength of your faith and your conviction. When I lost my faith I lost an important part of my being for sure.

    You are absolutely right. We are dying in the West because we have lost our faith.

    But your strength and conviction makes your religion very dangerous to us.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @attilathehen
    , @Talha
  187. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @lavoisier

    But your strength and conviction makes your religion very dangerous to us.

    Is that so? According to Wikipedia (“Islam in the United States”), which is backed up anecdotally in my experience, 1 in 4 Muslims born in America identify as “non-denominational”, which at the very least seems partly a lack of curiosity or depth about their religion.
    But the compliment is due the addressee.

  188. KenH says:

    This board is blowing up with all kinds of wackiness, so I’ll add some of mine.

    Jews are so blinded by hatred of white European goyim that they fail to see the consequences of what mass third world immigration will mean for diaspora Jewry. Or if they do they think it’s a situation they can deftly manage and that blowback on them will be minimal or nil. But most likely diaspora Jewry will be consumed in the chaos, disorder and mass violence that will likely result.

    The fact remains that white Europeans have been the best host race for the ungrateful, spiteful, devious and hyper ethnocentric Jews. Just like years ago a couple of Israeli newspapers reported a growing number of Israeli Jews who wished to emigrate. The number one destination of the emigres was none other than Germany, scene of a supposed fiery holocaust during WWII. Not Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia or Mexico, but Germany.

    Similar to the Muslims who extol the virtues of their faith yet high tailed it out of their Muslim nation for a Western nation as soon as the opportunity presented itself.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  189. mcohen says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    shutterstock my friend .you pay for the image or you get sued.just right click on image and id comes up

    https://www.shutterstock.com/search/arab+terrorist

    https://www.shutterstock.com/g/Tatiana+Chekryzhova

    i hope this teaches you a lesson not to take seriously what is posted on the internet.treat all news sites and forums as entertainment and comedy.fake news and no sources.thats why ling ding is worth reading.he is great entertainment.

  190. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    Which brings us to the most critical difference; that of the non-proselytising structure of Judaism, one which rather resists conversion into the faith, making the process extremely difficult for anyone but the ablest and the most deeply sincere of conviction and intent.

    The Jews are a tribe with a religion – Judaism is all about tribal blood lines – not about some unique moral or ethical faith system.

    The foundation of Judaism is a lie. It says that the god of the universe favors on tribe. This is preposterous and ridicules.

    Judaism says that because of this special status, that Jews are free to use and manipulate the rest of humanity. This is preposterous and ridicules.

    Judaism believes that through the force of law that they can manage humanity to their benefit. This is preposterous and ridicules.

    Judaism is a cascading phalanx of lies built on the preposterous and ridicules god lie.

    It is preposterous and ridicules to think that it can go forever.

    Peace — Art

    • Replies: @mcohen
  191. @Hibernian

    Islamic hatred of the Jewish people has found expression in, among other things, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem’s alliance with Hitler.

    Zionists collaborated with Hitler too. What does that tell ya?

  192. Wally says: • Website
    @Anon

    Yet you run from debate because your impossible religion has no chance.

    Also, a new site, as posted at Unz:
    https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/

    [MORE]

    Must reads:
    Holocaust Handbooks & Documentaries
    http://holocausthandbooks.com
    and:
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

    “Alone the fact that one may not question the Jewish “holocaust” and that Jewish pressure has inflicted laws on democratic societies to prevent questions—while incessant promotion and indoctrination of the same averredly incontestable ‘holocaust’ occur—gives the game away. It proves that it must be a lie. Why else would one not be allowed to question it? Because it might offend the “survivors”? Because it “dishonors the dead”? Hardly sufficient reason to outlaw discussion. No, because the exposure of this leading lie might precipitate questions about so many other lies and cause the whole ramshackle fabrication to crumble.”
    – Gerard Menuhin / Revisionist Jew, son of famous violinist

    • Replies: @Anon
  193. Art says:
    @Talha

    The race traitors among you are the ones steering your ship straight for the iceberg – don’t blame the ones jumping overboard.

    Are those race traits or culture traits – when Christians were running America, things were a lot different.

    Now we have a Jew culture and we are going in the toilet.

    Culture matters more then race.

    Peace — Art

    • Replies: @attilathehen
    , @Talha
  194. @Karl

    Spain was liberated from Islam yesterday; Rakhine is being liberated from Islam today – and Jerusalem will be liberated from Islam tomorrow.

    Muslim-ruled territories used a combination of discriminatory measures against non-Muslims and the occasional large-scale massacre to encourage conversion. The Chinese are using discriminatory measures against practicing Muslims (e.g. in schools and government agencies, the banning of fasting during Ramadan, 5 times a day prayer) in order to encourage what amounts to apostasy. It’s not clear whether China’s milder measures will have the effect (on suppressing Islam) of the more rigorous efforts (to suppress the non-Islamic faiths) in what are now majority Muslim nations. However, the agnostic nature of the Chinese state, even before Communist rule, after millennia of quelling quasi-religious revolts, is somewhat encouraging.

  195. @jacques sheete

    Jewish leadership supporting immigration policies that increase the likelihood of violence against the Jewish people. The ruthless conquest and settlement of Palestine in such a violent manner as to make Israel into an international pariah in the eyes of nearly all nations except the U.S. All the antisemitic propaganda and all the charges of antisemitism that are so absolutely broad and intolerant as to make almost any action not approved of by Jewish leadership antisemitic, or any individual not approved of guilty of antisemitism. Thousands of years of repeated failure to assimilate with the cultures of the countries in which they have immigrated to, or any of the rest of the world for that matter. It’s as if the Jewish leadership has decided to paint a target on the backs of the Jewish people, while at the same time engaging in strategies to enrage other people to fire away at them. Your Zionist conspiracy theory provokes some interesting questions.

  196. @Talha

    Her youngest sister married a Muslim Egyptian which means he’s black and has a low IQ. Their offspring will mix in with blacks in this country.

    Your muzzie Paki offspring will also marry black or Asian, so again complete IQ loss.

    Basically, you ran into some very low IQ whites who unfortunately made bad decisions. But we do lose some every once in a while.

    You and your families are perfect examples of evolutionary degeneracy that will shunted off to the sidelines.

  197. @Jonathan Revusky

    (((Jonathan Revusky))) – are you Jewish? If yes, do you believe you are the chosen?We need to get this cleared up first.

  198. @lavoisier

    You are dying. I am not and neither will the West. What makes you such a cuck?

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  199. @Art

    “Culture matters more race.” No, IQ is first which is tied to race. Caucasians have the highest IQs, then Asians, last are the blacks. Are you Caucasian? Did you convert to Islam?

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  200. @KenH

    The Roman Catholic Church and Zioevangiers are bigger problems than Jews.

  201. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    What religion are you talking about? And who’s running? I’m right here

  202. joe webb says:

    The jews as our parents…that is a jewspeak phrase.

    Jews never invented anythikng having to do with democracy, political thinking, elections, or secular culture in general. They have zero to teach the West, and have written almost nothing about their own history, etc.

    Jews and Arabs are semites…all lost to political thinking. not in their blood. It is just theocracy always. Then when the jews are given a seat at the political table…which requires Give and Take, they are Offended and start shooting and hollering. Same thing with Arabs.

    They are just all Useless to the West, and should be abandoned to their combat and self-destruction. Unfortunately , that is not going to happen. Jews will Never learn from us or anybody else. They know it all. Mad dogs, worse than the Arabs.

    Joe Webb

  203. @Talha

    Talha,

    The stupid pic sort of reminded me of the one that the CIA manufactured of Lee Harvey Oswald, and his cradling the Italian carbine rifle which was definitely not used during JFK’s murder.

    Also, I respect Ron Unz for posting Ilana Mercer’s very well written article but one that’s untainted by an effort to precipitate avid readers into charity and love (for all creation) so fervently preached in the 4 Gospels. (“Nothing new under Sun,” Eccles,) Nevertheless, I quote “Iavoisier’s” rather commendable comment that was addressed to you.

    “We are dying in the West because we have lost our faith.” Iavoisier.

    Having reflected upon “Iavoisier” thought above, it appears he/she’s had either no or little exposure to Fyodor Dostoyevsky’s classic, “The Brothers Karamazov.” In that nuanced book, Dostoyevsky predicted the inevitable death of Western civilization because of both mass distortion and betrayal of the ancient Christian faith — his target in particular, Roman Catholicism. As the U.S. Catholic Church hierarchy & clergy has done so much scandalous harm to themselves, and subsequently lost moral authority in the eyes of “the flock,” Iavoisier is definitely onto something here. Now I proceed to identify where Mr. I. has temporarily (?) lost the important ability to discern the sheep from the wolf.

    “But your strength and conviction (Talha) makes your religion dangerous to us.” Iavoiser.

    Talha — First of all, on The Unz Review, I posted a comment about my January 1981 travels to the Middle East which included Israeli occupied Palestinian homeland. You may remember it?

    So tonight I write as an old coot who has looked (with empathy) into the eyes of people who, for over 70-years, the Israelis have victimized; with of course perpetual blessing & financial support from the U.S. government. (Note: Dullard President G.W. Bush once declared that he “looked into the soul of President Putin,” and as one of the president’s finer moments, ‘Dubya said, “I can do business with him.”)

    Sorry to say Talha: #1, In contrast to “Iavoiser the Inquisitor, ” I have little clue as to your “strength and convictions” which allegedly derive from your “dangerous religion.” What I complain most about is the “strength and convictions” that a long list of Christian U.S. presidents and Congressmen have adopted as a result of their taking monetary bribe-contributions from The Lobby.

    # 1 (cont.): If AIPAC were to undergo an investigative “audit” encompassing merely 20o1-present and showing how much they chipped into Senators Graham’s and McCain’s “convictions,” I wager that The Lobby could have easily paid for a significant stretch of President Trumps proposition for a U.S. southern border wall. Talha, did you ever wonder how much it cost the Israeli government for U.S. “leaders” to shut up as a WALL continues to divide Bethelehem… no, no, not the city beside Allentown, PA. Maybe Sam the Sham can provide us with some numbers here?

    # 2, There is one area where I feel “Iavosier” has greater strength than I — his stomach. I am rather sorry that American (?) life has bruised his faith, but he can join the consumer “multitude.” However, my aged stomach can not handle things like viewing (available) video which includes Israel’s aerial bombing of the Gaza Strip, and a father having to bury his young daughter. (expletive) And former-President Obama forked over $38 billion (over 10-years) to P.M. Netanyahu for Israel’s defense.

    I will no longer make comment to Ilana Mercer’s upper caste article because, where she in-the-sandals of a “60-something” Palestinian mama, she’d be opining, “They want to (expletive) bulldoze & bomb us all across the Jordan.”

    Thanks , Talha… hopefully we cross path soon on another article.

    • Replies: @Talha
  204. joe webb says:
    @Sam Shama

    no contradiction. Jews don’t know they are extreme Darwinians…that is cuz Darwinism works at a non-conscious level. I guess that is hard for you to fathom, you would rather be a typical jew, insolent, arrogant, etc, than understand,. anything, especially jews.

    “Understand” means to stand under a phenomenon and not dominate it, or abstract it until fully understood. The jew stands under no-one or no objective reality. The only reality psychologically speaking, is jew dominance.

    Jews are the most dangerous people, but compared to Arabs…I believe that was the context in which I was speaking…JEws are more objective in everyday thinking. The world hates you . Do you not get it? You jews Live to Hate.

    I cannot wait for the wars to start so I can kill people like you and the Others who hate Whites. You should watch your mouth jewboy. really.

    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Talha
  205. joe webb says:

    I used to puzzle when I was a leftie, about how come jews are commies and jews are capitalists. The riddle was resolved after I became an anti-semite. Control. The form it takes does not matter. That is how jews invented Leninism for the most part. Total Control, domination, and murder of opponents. Not a genuine democratic and political bone in your bodies. It is all manipulation and 24-7-365 plotting. Capitalist pig, or Communist Trot…all totalitarian and Power/Money driven.

    Joe Webb

  206. MEexpert says:
    @attilathehen

    “Culture matters more race.” No, IQ is first which is tied to race. Caucasians have the highest IQs, then Asians, last are the blacks.

    I have taught in this country for over 40 years and I had some of the dumbest white students. If they had high IQ, they certainly didn’t show it. The data show that Americans are 28th in mathematics in the world and 25th in sciences. You probably will blame it on the blacks that they brought the average down.

    Are you Caucasian? Did you convert to Islam?

    Are you saying that if he converted to Islam he has low IQ being a Caucasian notwithstanding? If that is your thinking, I am convinced that you have a very low IQ.

    I would also like to know how you define Caucasian?

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  207. MEexpert says:
    @attilathehen

    I criticize Israel and don’t get called anti-Semitic. I do it from religious and evolutionary perspectives. Logical, consistent.

    Then you probably criticize under your breath or you are living in isolation.

    And with Jews being mostly non-white (the Ashkenazi Jews have almost disappeared), the anti-Semitic charge is moot.

    How many non-white Jews do you know in the United States? Oh, that’s right. Chuck Schumer is from the Harlem and Dianne Feinstein is from South Central LA. Right?

    Yes, I know about those congressional measures, but the tide is turning and they will be worthless.

    99% of the congress is controlled by AIPAC. Pat Buchanan calls congress Israeli occupied territory and you think the tide is turning. High IQ indeed.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  208. MEexpert says:
    @Talha

    Talha,

    Please don’t get down to attilathehen’s level. It is not worth it. His or hers IQ is showing.

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Talha
  209. mcohen says:
    @Art

    it amuses me no end that the owner,a jew published an article by a jew so jew haters may post there spew for the stew.

    • Replies: @Art
  210. MEexpert says:
    @Sam Shama

    The world never has and never will operate from the principle you seem to suggest, one which reduces to “Papa why can’t I have a blunderbuss as well?”.

    Who is the Papa in this case? Israel or the US and who gave them the right to decide what other nations should or should not have?

    • Replies: @Talha
  211. Sam Shama says:
    @joe webb

    Do you feel as though you are in the grips of a fever which compels you to dribble from the sides of your mouth? Old age doesn’t without exception confer wisdom but often besets the geriatric with a variant of rabies. There are cures, meditation being one as I counseled earlier, but I fear in your case the best you might hope for is an anodyne effect.

    Still, writing in the hopes that you are inter-episodal at the moment, I urge you to note that simply asserting an absence of contradiction does not necessarily make it so. The internal contradictions in your posts are too numerous to list but I shall spare you the humiliation which you so richly deserve on this subject.

    Still yet, I shall allow myself the liberty to instruct you on the etymology of the word ‘understand’, which is not – as you incorrectly stated- to mean ‘stand under’, but in fact derived most likely from the Sanskrit ‘antar‘, meaning ‘among’, or the Latin ‘inter‘ or even the Old German verstehen, to stand before. The lesson being comprehension is not just a Jewish prescription for Jews exclusively but in fact equally recommended for aging eighty-eights.

    Joe, it isn’t a particularly clever idea to threaten murder. But who knows, you might be pining for the days when your dress was government-issue orange, and the view was from behind iron bars.

    • Replies: @joe webb
  212. RobinG says:
    @MEexpert

    Now that’s good advice! (But aren’t you kinda feeing that troll?)

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  213. Talha says:
    @MEexpert

    Hey MEexpert,

    I was going to say one more thing to her but your advice is sound; I’ll just end up getting me or my wife insulted.

    I was thinking something though since this is getting a bit surreal …This is all anonymous so this person could be some delusional Guatemalan male with man-boobs that wants to make white females look exceptionally unreasonable and fussy. A kind of ethnic false flag operation.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  214. Talha says:
    @Art

    Hey Art,

    Culture matters more then race.

    Bingo – a virtual high-five to you for that one.

    Peace.

  215. Talha says:
    @joe webb

    I cannot wait for the wars to start

    Race WAAAAR!!!!

    I’m telling you JW, I ain’t seen nobody that pines for race war, like my kids pine for ice cream!

    Long live JW! Long may he post!

    Peace.

  216. Talha says:
    @MEexpert

    Hey MEexpert,

    No one should have these damned things – period. They are a threat to the human race. We should denounce them across the board and demand, from the people that claim to represent us, that they take the time to come up with clear and sane policies and work with other nations to banish these things to the depths of hell from where they came.

    And honestly, I don’t care whether people call me a dreamer. The vast majority of human history had slavery, it was ubiquitous everywhere; Chinese, Romans, Mayans, Arabs, etc. We were able to get rid of that, we can get rid of these – we are the only thing standing in our way.

    Peace.

  217. @MEexpert

    Here’s a youtube produced by the (((Dennis Prager))). Ignore the title:

    Idina Menzel (Jewish) black ex husband Taye Digg; Andrea Mitchell (J) first husband black Gil Jackson now married Alan Greenspan;
    Rod Carew black athlete, first wife Jewish Michelle Levy; Lena Horne – J husband Lennie Hayton; Bliss Broyard black J husband Nico Israel;
    Martine/Martin Rothblatt (J) black wife Bina Aspen; magician David Blaine offspring of black Puerto Rican father/Ashkenazi mother;
    Geraldo Rivera offspring of black Puerto Rican father/Ashkenazi mother; Rita Moreno black Puerto Rican J husband Leonard Gordon;
    Sidney Lumet (J) married Lena Horne black daugher Gail; Jenny Lumet black Jewish daughter Sidney Lumet married Alex Weinstein;
    Anna Stubblefield (J) professor with black ex husband; Allen Shawn (J) black exwife Jamaica Kincaid; Rebecca Hall black actress married Jewish
    Morgan Spector; Werner Klemperer (J) black wife; Harry Belfaonte Jewish wife; Julian Bond Jewish wife Pamela Horowitz; Kamala Harris black/Asian – Jewish husband Douglas Emhoff;
    Diana Ross black first husband Robert Silberstein; Ronnie Spector black singer married Jewish Jonathan Greenfield; Mirelle Fanon black Jewish husband Bernard Mendes;
    Rula Jebreal black Muslim Jewish husband Arthur G. Altshul Jr.; Michelle Malkin, Amy Chua Asians with Jewish husbands; George Soros, Woody Allen, Mark Zuckerberg,
    Les Moonves, Jeff Greene, Oliver Stone, Maury Povitch, all Jews with Asian wives. These are famous people, the tip of the iceberg.

    Where I live many Jews are married to blacks and Asians
    and they are not famous. Interesting how there are no “shiksa” jokes about these blacks/Asians.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  218. Talha says:
    @lavoisier

    Hey lavoisier,

    A man is delusional if he attributes having faith to his own ‘efforts’; it is a gift from his Master and one that he should constantly thank Him for and beg Him not to remove. It is my sincere wish and prayer that you find faith again and that it is stronger and more impactful in your life than at any time previous.

    But your strength and conviction makes your religion very dangerous to us.

    I understand this. I was talking these things over with my best friend last night and how it looks like people in the West may react unpredictably because they see the writing on the wall. We both totally understand the concern – it is a bit amazing to us, but we have only around 2-3% of the population (at least in the US), but some people are going loco about our presence. But this is the strength of faith – it is formidable and can be scary to those who left it a while ago to pursue other priorities.

    He said to me; well, worst case scenario – they’ll just kill all of us. We looked at each other and just shrugged our shoulders.
    “Do men think that they will be left alone on saying, ‘We believe’, and that they will not be tried? And certainly We tried those before them, so Allah will certainly know those who are true and He will certainly know the liars.” (29:2-3)

    “And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient. Who, when disaster strikes them, say, ‘Indeed we belong to Allah, and indeed to Him is our return.’” (2:155-156)

    I have lived almost 41 years – not a day in my life did I go hungry except by choice. Anybody who has read human history or traveled the world knows how few human beings that have ever lived on this planet can claim to have been this blessed. So maybe it’s time for the test.

    As I’ve said before, if we have to go, well the Earth is vast and His to bequeath to whom He wishes – according to our sacred law, we’re guests here anyway (despite labels of ‘citizen’, ‘resident’, etc.). But you will still have to deal with the dying culture (and I’m not even sure I want to be here when Social Security collapses due to the imploding population). But, if/once we are gone – do give our tradition another honest look over since our immediate presence won’t be a threat anymore – it may have what you need.

    Peace.

  219. Talha says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    As usual Chuck, thanks for your comments. I believe Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was also constantly warning about the same things you mention from Dostoevsky. Western man would do well to listen to these two – time seems to be running out. I remember starting ‘Crime and Punishment’ when I was younger, but couldn’t get too far after the initial murders. His style was difficult to follow, maybe it was the translator, I don’t know.

    Peace, and may God grant you (and your stomach) a great many more years.

  220. @MEexpert

    You are white knighting for Art. He needs to answer my questions, not you.

    Of course there are low IQ whites. But if you found them so dumb, why did you waste your time on them? Why didn’t you or if you still can, teach potential brain surgeons and rocket scientists in Detroit, Baltimore, Ferguson, the Bronx? And your math skills are questionable. If you factor in white scores with black scores, black scores will pull down the white scores. Have you heard of averaging?

    Caucasians are Europeans, Lebanese, Syrian, Iraqi Christians, Armenians, Georgians, high-caste Persians.

    You said you were not Jewish nor involved with Asians. Can I assume you are a gentile, maybe Christian or non-religious? I can tell you don’t like Jews, but I think you’re circling so much that you are willing to align with Muslims (who are mostly black/Asian).

    Also, maybe you can offer your teaching skills to Tahla’s low caste offspring and their black cousins. No reason for your to waste your time with whites.

  221. @Talha

    I’m no troll and am the real McCoy. And I believe what you’ve told me about you and your family. That’s why I judge you from 2 perspectives: religious and evolutionary. From a religious viewpoint, you are a Christian heretic. And as a Christian I have to defend my faith. From an evolutionary view, you are a biological defect because you are Asian, specifically Pakistani (average Pakistani IQ is 84, although I will say you are a little brighter). Your wife devolved from an evolutionary perspective because she married you and converted to Islam. These things happen, but she nor your offspring can be a part of the West.

    • Replies: @Talha
  222. @RobinG

    RobinG: I think I knocked out Mike Johnson, lavoisior, Jonathan Revusky. Tahla is on the ropes. I’m still waiting for Art to reply.

    Do you want to give me your stats? Then we can go at it.

    Gosh, one little girl against all these men.

    • Replies: @Anon-og
  223. MEexpert says:
    @attilathehen

    I asked you for black Jews. Not Jews married to blacks. Unless, you are claiming that Andrea Mitchel and Oliver Stone are black. I am impressed with your list. Obviously, you are color blind or you live in bizzaro’s world where white is black and black is white.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  224. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    Why do the U.S./Russia/China/India/France and others have nuclear weapons? And now your fervent wish is for Iran to possess a load as well! Sorry, can’t have that.

    Sam, are you ok – are you feeling well?

    That is hasbara boilerplate – we expect much better from you!

    Say man’ – Hope all is good with you.

    Art

  225. Sam J. says:
    @SamJ

    This SamJ is not THE Sam J. which is me. Am I being trolled???

  226. Sam J. says:
    @AnalogMan

    “…I care about as much for Jewish survival as you care about White South African survival, in the rainbow utopia that you worked so hard to establish, then fled…”

    Exactly. Anti-Semtism exist because a very large amount of your people suck and are always trying to destroy the population wherever your reside. If you would stop trying to murder everyone around you and stealing every last dime you can possibly Jew away from them it would go a long ways towards ending anti-Semitism. By the way attacking Whites for the last 100 years or so in the US has not helped any.

  227. Sam J. says:
    @MEexpert

    “…Second only to Latinos, the relatively new, roughly 40-year-old Muslim community is the most anti-Semitic community in the U.S. Explained Stephen Steinlight…”

    You just wait. When the broad majority of Americans know what you’ve done to our country and your past history you’ll be crying to live with the Muslims.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  228. Sam J. says:

    The best option in this situation is to deport the Jews. That will relieve pressure on us to have so many immigrant invaders of all types.

    • Agree: MEexpert
  229. Islam is cancer ad Muslims are cancer cells. It must be treated in ruthless and uncompromising simple minded way. Cut the whole thing off and leave no Muslims in no Islamic states. I think popular mood will swing in that direction especially after liberals are taken care off.

    • Replies: @Talha
  230. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    I agree; I was surprised. Would’ve never thought Talha would paint with such a broad brush. Surely, religious fervour is not compulsory to live a spiritual life?

    I was shocked by the undisguised contempt for another person’s spirituality.

    His admiration of cathedrals with stained glass windows is instructive. We have already fought our wars over whether God and religion are stained glass windows or not. We don’t need to fight them all over again. Fortunately, after millions were killed, we realized that everyone was willing to die for their religion so we should just let everyone believe as they wish and not kill anyone over it. It is a simple solution, but like many other simple solutions it seems that it took geniuses to come up with it and put it into place. Even so, it only works if enough people buy in.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anon
  231. iffen says:
    @LOL

    Everyone, and I mean everyone, with a dog in the fight knows, and I mean knows, that the Semites in anti-Semites are dem Jews. Now, obviously you have a little fire power in that brain of yours. Help us all out and put it to work on a real problem.

    • Replies: @ABC
  232. iffen says:

    Mmmm, talk about a rainbow, Talha, the Arts, RobinG, Chuck.

    I’m not sure what the director of this kubaya concert might be.

    Any ideas, Sam?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  233. iffen says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I am reasonably certain that you are not in possession of any information that I need.

    I base this upon having slogged through a few thousand words of some of your dribblings.

    I might be mistaken, but I am willing to run the risk.

  234. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    I was shocked by the undisguised contempt for another person’s spirituality.

    I think you are missing my point. Religion and spirituality are not necessarily synonymous. I believe lots of religions can imbue people with tremendous amounts of spirituality even though I disagree with their theological underpinnings. I am not a Buddhist, nor advocate it, but anyone who denies that this is an incredible feat of the spirit transcending the material needs to revisit their assumptions:
    http://100photos.time.com/photos/malcolm-browne-burning-monk

    I think people can be spiritual even without religion. Now, my point was about religion. Spirituality is great, but does not necessarily help guide the purpose or direction of a community – that is what religion is about. And yes, unfortunately, sometimes fighting over that purpose and direction is one of the unintended consequences of that kind of framework that arise now and again.

    One must decide; throw the baby out with the bathwater or keep it, warts and all.

    The experience of Europe in the intra-religious wars simply has no parallel in the Muslim world historically – Sunni and Shiah have clashed for sure but never to that level of degree. And we had really crazy fanatics like the Khawarij or Qarmatis, etc. but thy never really made a serious impact from a religious standpoint other than causing bloodshed in one particular region or another – thus they simply serve as teaching points of exactly what not to do. We have been historically more tolerant of the heterodox.

    The different perspectives and conclusions seem sound, at least to me, when one steps into the other’s shoes and looks at history from their vantage point.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  235. @MEexpert

    You misunderstood me. That was sarcasm.

    You’re right. I wasn’t paying enough attention. Sorry about that.

  236. Talha says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    It must be treated in ruthless and uncompromising simple minded way.

    Ah yes, treating one type of cancer with another. That is all fine and good, deal with the consequences when your cancer-of-choice metastsizes.

    after liberals are taken care off

    Woohoo! Three-way cancer pile on – I wonder which one kills the patient first. Bets?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Sergey Krieger
  237. Talha says:
    @attilathehen

    Hey da hen,

    Last one, then I’m out.

    I’m no troll

    That ain’t up to you princess.

    you are a Christian heretic

    Well, then we demand a seat at the meetings of the various world Christian councils that go on. Just the Sunni Orthodox branch (I’m not even piling in Shiah and Ibadis) has officially eclipsed Catholicism in numbers as of a few years ago and we are only growing. Apparently, we are the most successful Christian heresy or sect in world history – so we get to define orthodoxy at this point. And, since we kind of own the old location of Chalcedon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kad%C4%B1k%C3%B6y) – perhaps it’s time to call for a new ecumenical council there and redefine orthodox and heterodox Christianity.

    but she nor your offspring can be a part of the West.

    Fine and dandy but it also depends on where we draw the line. If I move to Morocco, I’m in the West (aka al-Maghreb) according to our definition. Sorry, you don’t get trademark rights on terms.

    I think I knocked out Mike Johnson, lavoisior, Jonathan Revusky. Tahla is on the ropes.

    Lady, you’re shadow boxing. People aren’t defeated, they’re ignoring you – as I’m about to after this last post.

    Now you said you’re the real McCoy – which actually really helps me understand the frustrations of many of the white men on these forums. If there is an attilatherooster, please send him my regards and my sincere compliments to him (one husband to another) on his tremendous level of patience and forbearance. If this is the case, you are right – White males are made of amazing stuff. I don’t know a single one of us low-IQ Muzzies males that wouldn’t have sent you packing back to your family after the first month.

    Peace.

    Bonus: “Shaken, not stirred.”

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @attilathehen
    , @Anon
  238. iffen says:
    @Talha

    The experience of Europe in the intra-religious wars simply has no parallel in the Muslim world

    Correct, and the ultimate outcome of the European religious wars was religious tolerance, a key concept to liberalism.

    We have been historically more tolerant of the heterodox.

    Anyway, the question is not whether we prefer Medieval Christianity or 8th century Islam, the question is whether religious tolerance could survive in a Muslim dominated country and the answer is written in blood.

    BTW, what you call tolerance of the heterdox is not the religious tolerance of liberalism so stop trying to get the benefit.

    • Replies: @KA
    , @Talha
    , @dfordoom
  239. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    SK is a communist; this might help you understand his perspective.

    • Replies: @Talha
  240. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    The Kingdom of Heaven ain’t a democracy.

  241. KA says:
    @iffen

    Tolerance in Europe is a very new phenomenon . Possibly imposed by the global capitalism, effects of WW1 and 2, scientific developments in genetics, fresh understanding of human migration,history,and extensive interactions. Tolerance and racism xenophobia ,religious orthodoxy are fluid .Hate can show show up on the door like Bannon is showing up with his brutish vulgar Islamophobia on the coattails of Trump’s original message of antiwar,pro industrial , and anti illegal immigration obscuring the manufactured falsely created connection ( without telling without pointing to the Trojan horse like nature of his own insertion of his own vulgar premises ) between what public wants and what is being delivered .

  242. Talha says:
    @Anon

    communist

    Fourth cancer! Sweet! The more, the merrier I guess.

    Is there an oncologist in the house?

    Peace.

  243. MEexpert says:
    @Sam J.

    Hey Sam J.

    That is the author’s quote not mine. Pay attention Man.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  244. @MEexpert

    Have you ever heard of “children,” “offspring,” “progeny?” These couplings are producing black/Asian/Jewish people. When these offshoots start growing up and try to tell Caucasian/European Christians/pagans that they have a seat at our table, they will be shown the door. I think your students were onto you and your “educational accredditation.”

  245. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    the ultimate outcome of the European religious wars was religious tolerance

    I totally get that – makes sense (this is what I meant by stepping into the European’s shoes). Now, has the pendulum swung too far? We have our concept of religious tolerance and the West has hers. When I read your statement, here is what I see:
    “the ultimate outcome of the European religious wars was European/Liberal religious tolerance”

    The West cannot declare a monopoly on the ‘true’ interpretation just because she defines it differently. Well, I guess she can, but we’re honestly tired of being lectured to so it will be ignored (especially if we start seeing boatloads of non-criminal Muslims stripped of rights and shipped back to Muslim countries – as some advocate here – at that point, our reaction will be outright laughter).

    the question is whether religious tolerance could survive in a Muslim dominated country and the answer is written in blood

    Now that is hyperbolic. If the question is, could people piss publicly on paintings of the Son of Mary (pbuh) in a Muslim-majority country – then no – ain’t going to happen. And if they want that ‘right’, they’ll definitely have have to claim it with blood and steel. Could a Jew become head of state in a Muslim country – not likely, but is that ‘oppressive’? But there are plenty of countries running very well under Islamic rules that have a good degree of tolerance – look for images on Christmas in Istanbul, Kuala Lumpur, Amman – basically those countries that still have a degree of the traditional older order – not the ones with the Islamists running on Salafi-Wahhabi ideology. Morocco is a good example also. Could it be improved, sure. Shaykh Muhammad Yaqoubi, who I cite often (and was exiled for criticizing the government of Syria) stated that even the legal system of religious and civil tolerance under the secular Assad regime was 85% in line with the Shariah and that he advocated no change to it -i.e. it is good enough to get an official stamp as being a Islamic system – only the extremists disagree:
    “Syria is an Islamic state. People are talking about an ‘Islamic state’; if you mean a state ‘ruled by shari’a,’ let me tell you that 80% of the rulings of the laws in Syria now are based on shari’a. These people who are calling for [Islamic] reform are ignorant. Even the civil law, taken from the Napoleonic corpus of law, intact in 1949 and taken from the Egyptian civil law with some modifications—85% or more of it is compatible with the shari’a…Considering personal status law, I do not recommend changing it. The liberals are calling for a change toward more freedom, from, let’s say, the so-called shari’a. I think in Syria we have quite a relaxed system where various sects have their own personal status, and are not forced to follow the shari’a. So on that issue, I do not demand, or recommend, any change in the personal status law. As you described, it’s quite moderate, and it is fully compatible with the shari’a.”
    http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/sheikh-muhammad-al-yaqoubi-interviewed-by-syria-comment/

    So really, I don’t buy that broad brush and I don’t think anyone else should.

    BTW, what you call tolerance of the heterdox is not the religious tolerance of liberalism so stop trying to get the benefit.

    I wasn’t trying to make that parallel. We don’t hold a candle to Liberalism, it reigns supreme, it is super-tolerant…to a fault, is my point. If anyone thinks that if the US will function exactly the same with a Muslim-majority population, they are smoking something – hell even with a Mormon-majority population. And if anyone thinks that a Muslim-majority US will be a slaughterhouse for minorities then they are also smoking something or selling you snake oil.

    Is it a good thing that anything and everything be tolerated everywhere? That is the question.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @iffen
    , @Seraphim
  246. @Talha

    “If I move to Morocco, I’m in the West (aka al-Maghreb) according to our definition. Sorry, you don’t get trademark rights on terms.” Talha, I tried to give you some IQ points, but you’ve done it again. Morocco is in the African continent. You didn’t do well in geography, but then again, there’s that oxymoronic “Islamic intellectualism” at work again.

    “one of us low-IQ Muzzies males that wouldn’t have sent you packing back.” I would never think of associating with one of your kind. As to my husband, he’s in the fight along side with me. He “allows” me to go online. He knows girls just want to have fun.

    I think your dark skin is showing. You really, really, really want to be Caucasian. You thought your wife might do this but it ain’t working out like you thought. Your kids will wind up marrying blacks (maybe a Moroccan black or an Egyptian black like your sister-in-law did). Total IQ and racial loss.

  247. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Sorry, you don’t get trademark rights on terms.

    You do when you speak Arabic (or Urdu; I mean, c’mon, that’s the whole point of the Urdu-Hindi split); we do when we speak English.

    • Replies: @Talha
  248. KA says:
    @Gabriel M

    Time for you to have a new tutorial –

    1 “General Antonio Taguba, who investigated charges of torture in Iraq, reported numerous episodes of porno torture. At Abu Gharib, detained Muslim boys were sodomized and detained Muslim girls were raped. Detained Muslim men were stripped naked and stacked in pyramids. Some were forced to engage in oral sex with each other. Some were forced to wear female underwears. Reports from the Gunatanamo gulag are no less pornographic. One Muslim detainee was smeared with the menstrual blood of a prostitute.” http://www.counterpunch.org/2005/09/28/the-invention-of-porno-torture/

    2 Sodomy, burning of genitalia, rape in front of other—http://www.counterpunch.org/2009/08/14/sexual-torture-yet-again/

    3 DRAWING FROM REGRESSIVE BC 4 TH CENTURY CULTURE COMPARED TO MUSLIMS’S 7 CENTURY CULTURE — “A Sumerian myth from early in the third millennium B.C., tells of Geshtinanna, sister of the god Dumuzi, who is consort of the goddess Inanna. Geshtinanna is tortured by the underworld demons, the Galla, to reveal where Dumuzi is hiding. They pour hot pitch into her vulva. ”

    4 MAKE IT MORE SCIENTIFIC RATHER THAN FANATIC REGRESSIVE ANTI SCIENCE THE WAY MUSLIMS DO – BRING PSYCHOLOGIST TO DEVISE TORTURE ,DEGRADATIONS,AND PERSONAL GRATIFICATION OR ELEVATING SADISM TO MAINSTREAM LEVEL—Jane Mayer’s new book, The Dark Side,

  249. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Sure thing – if we get kicked out of your West (Maghreb), we might end up settling in our West (Maghreb).

    See – everyone’s happy! Pure awesomeness can be achieved – all it requires is rolling back Constitutional rights!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
  250. geokat62 says:
    @Talha

    We don’t hold a candle to Liberalism, it reigns supreme, it is super-tolerant…to a fault, is my point.

    Based on the following passages from O’Meara’s New Culture, New Right: Anti-Liberalism in Postmodern Europe, not sure anyone would want to hold a candle to liberalism:

    [MORE]

    The fate of Europeans on both sides of the Atlantic seems, in fact, to hinge now on their common struggle against the same liberal Moloch, whether it is called “Americanism,” “modernity,” “liberalism,” or “globalization.”

    Modernization and the Left project after all were born in opposition to the Catholic Church and its transcendent order.

    The GRECE has also been far ahead of other political tendencies in anticipating the principal fault lines of the late modern (or postmodern) age.

    [T]he mainstream Right has, of course, been hostile to it [the GRECE] especially to its anti-liberalism and anti-Americanism. Yet, this false Right can no longer pose as the sole viable alternative to the Left. Its uncritical support of the world market and globalism’s anti-identitarian implications has, indeed, made it an unapologetic convert to liberal modernity.

    This, of course, has not prevented the GRECE from attacking the Left’s hegemony and turning its key ideas against it. The Left, as a consequence, can no longer expect its principles to be quite so readily taken for granted, now that the GRECE and similar tendencies have exposed the anti-European racism implicit in its multiculturalism, the anti-democratic character of its rationalist politics, the inquisitional intent of its political correctness, the collaborationist character of its Americanism, its obscurantist rejection of the life sciences, the anti-communal implications of its economism, and the indefensibility of its defining philosophical premises.

    More generally, the GRECE’s rejection of Right-Left politics anticipates the postmodern divide between “the periphery and the center.” In an age when Europe’s survival is at stake, modernist political contentions have lost much of their former relevance. Once symbolizing the polarizing forces of progress and tradition, Right and Left have ceased to address the burning questions facing most Europeans in the twenty-first century – and, indeed, these two wings no longer represent clearly distinct alternatives.

    Paul Piccone, the former editor of Telos, suggests that the identitarian New Right may, in fact, represent “a major paradigm shift threatening the displacement of traditional Left-Right divisions.” Evident in the escalating worldwide conflict between identitarians and globalists, patriots and cosmopolitans, such a reorientation has long been latent in liberal modernist societies; since the Soviet collapse, it has moved closer to the center of political life.

    For as we enter the twenty-first century, Faye predicts a future of fire and storm —in which the one-worlders’ “global village” gives way to clashing civilizations and rival biocultural blocs.

    In this scenario anticipating modernity’s interregnum, Faye allots no part to the liberal elites who make up le parti américain. Recruited from the ranks of corporate management, a corrupt political class, and a university system committed to the banalities of New Class ideology, this “bloodless, sexless, raceless, classless” crew at the helm of le Titanic Europa (G.-A. Amaudruz) has been responsible for a disaster unprecedented in European history —more catastrophic, arguably, than anything perpetuated by the Huns or the Turks. Unconscious that a society can appear to function normally, even after having lost its soul, these elites defend “the worst kind of society to have ever existed . . . because [it is] the most subservient to the tyranny of the economic and the reification of social relations.” It now even threatens Europe’s ethnocultural existence.

  251. jack ryan says: • Website

    Liberal Leftist American Jews or just American Jews in New York City, Southern California or in most Lib Left University towns like Madison WI, Amherst Mass – there really isn’t a lot we can do to try to convert them to sane, race realism, Islamic realism. Jewish Americans consistently vote Lib Left Democrat in national elections by margins of 80% – to 20%. And those Jewish Americans who say they are not Liberal Left tend to go for versions of Conservatism like Neo Conservatism or Libertarianism – this just doesn’t work for us.

    I though the 9/11/01 slaughter in New York City would change American Jewish public opinion about mass Muslim immigration or better yet, change Jewish American public opinion about mass 3rd world immigration. But, for some strange reason 9/11/01 did not change Jewish American views of immigration. Support for mass immigration, virtual open borders immigration seems to be a big party of Jewish American’s DNA.

    Sure, we appreciate the few Jewish Americans, Jews in the West like this writer who write and say sane things about Islam, about Black crime, about mass immigration. Ezra Levant in Canada is another great guy.

    The reality however, is that as a general rule Jews suck on immigration. William Kristol – supposedly a “conservative” Jewish American intellectual a leading “Never Trumper” is publicly calling for the complete race replacement of White working class Americans by mass immigration, because Kristol says they are “lazy”.

    The reality is that the Jewish Neo Con man Kristol simply hates our White working class, our White rural and poor Americans because they voted for President Trump.

    What do we do?

    Try to ignore insane Jewish Americans who back mass Muslim immigration, try to ignore Jewish Americans in the media/academia who cover up the most violent Islamic terrorist attacks on Jews or other Western people.

    Just ignore them, or yeah – make them do some manual work, draft them in to the US Army, tell them they can’t be US citizens and serve in the Israeli Defense Force.

    William Kristol could benefit himself by doing some honest physical labor – maybe help build that wall on the Southern border with Mexico. William Kristol is looking rather fat in the tummy.

    • Replies: @Sam J.
  252. jack ryan says: • Website
    @Mark Green

    “Indeed, if she was a libertarian, Mercer would caution us Americans to mind our own business and stop waging non-essential wars against distant Muslim states. This is what Ron Paul has been doing for decades. Not Mercer.”

    I respond:

    Yes, Ron Paul has been saying “leave the Muslims alone in their countries and they won’t hurt us or hate us in ours”. Ron Paul said in 2016 that Muslims can’t hurt or even threaten us because Muslim nations don’t have navies. This in the year that Muslim smuggling navies were landing 2,000 plus young Muslim men on Greek and Italy beaches every single day! This at a time when Muslim migrant men were organization mass sexual assaults on German girls in Cologne and other cities.

    It’s simply a huge lie that America or Western Europe’s huge problems with Muslims, Arabs is that we have sinned against the Palestinians. Sweden’s Lib Leftist government and media has been pro Palestinian and anti Israel for…. forever – and Muslims still riot and sexually harass and rape Swedish girls. It’s just what low IQ Muslims Arabs, Turks, Pakistanis do.

    And let’s please get away from the idea that Arabs or other other Muslims will be content to stay in their countries. The whole concept of the Nation State is Western European. The Turkish secular republic is the only somewhat Islamic society that really went for this, now they backsliding.

    Simply stated the Muslims want what we have – they want our land, our cities, our boys and girls.

    I’m not giving it to them or wasting my time with idiotic Ron Paul Libertarian fantasy worlds.

    Jees

  253. jack ryan says: • Website

    American Jews (mostly Lib Left) seemed to be having a collective nervous breakdown over the election of Donald Trump.

    Everyday we get propaganda stories that “Trump is Hitler” , Trump supporters are all Nazis.

    Neo Conservative Jews like William Kristol, David Frum, Elliot Abrams seemed to be leaving all things Republican and trying to work at Liberal Left places like The Atlantic Magazine.

    The Jews are putting the word out that they want in or even want to lead the Blacks, undocumented, Muslims and good Whites against the evil bad Whites who voted for Trump.

    Just look at U Cal Berkeley where that terrible dwarf, ex Clinton Sec of Labor Robert Reich is getting paid $300,000 a year to teach one political science course. Reich gets on CNN and spreads the lie that Antifa Leftists who attacked Trump supporters and Milo Y fans, he says these were probably organized by Breitbart News!

    My Alma Mater – the once very Southern University of Vanderbilt University now has a Jewish Chancellor who was a Lib Leftist law professor at the University of Wisconsin Madison.

    Ivy League presidents and of course all Hollywood studios are mostly/all Lib Left Jewish people – look at the Supreme Court.

    American Jews still see their wealth, power and safety as being in, funding, or leading the American Liberal Left, anti White, anti Male, anti WASP Democrat side.

    I have really no practical ideas on how to improve this situation. Not even the worst Islamist terrorist attacks on Jews in the USA, in Western Europe seems to have any effect.

    This is very depressing.

    Vladimir Putin seems to know how to handle this situation in his sphere. And he doesn’t seem to use violence against any Jewish people – he just let’s everyone know who’s running the show.

    It’s another reason the Jews hate Vladimir Putin and President Trump.

  254. @Talha

    Approach should be simple and consistent. There is no second cancer. it is extreme immune reaction. There is no Christians left in Muslim countries and those they still they are treated badly. There is no reason for your kind to live among non Muslims. Like all cancer cells you bring the causes of that deceases that consume your own countries of origin with you and you do not adjust and become like hosts… Even worse, you want hosts who took you out of pity to become like you. Hence, you must go either peacefully, or violently as you choose. Give some time, reaction is coming. History tends to swing. I am afraid next swing will be in totally different direction from tolerance and non violence. You should remember European history. Like 30 years war you mentioned.

    • Replies: @Talha
  255. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    (1) Chuck~=SolontoCroesus; a friend trained in syntax pattern detection tells me so. Decent person, reads widely, with the primary intent to discredit Jews and champions a cause erected to rehabilitate Adolf H’s world image.
    (2) Arts=plays the part of the fool, former HBD/genomics expert turned pious Christian and virulent Jew hater.
    (3) Geokat= decent, philosophical Canuck, BDS man with an unrequited passion for “the truth”, which in recent days has started to include an embrace of Joe Webb.
    (4) RobinG = smart Trumper with a good heart, indefatigable champion of the “downtrodden” Pals. Does not particularly like Jews. Well clued into the DC circuit and a great backer of Kamala Harris. Also observing with interest, Joe Webb’s emissions.
    (5) Joe Webb = Confused septuagenarian White Nationalist who thinks: Spencer is a traitor, Bannon is compromised Jew hater turned tool. Trump is the last hope for White Nationalism. Wants to murder Jews, Blacks, Chinese and non-whites in general and somehow, wraps all that rage and confusion into a neat package which he calls the America of Rockwell.
    (6) Talha: Intellectual pacifist Muslim whose heart is into Liberalism but can’t quite reconcile that even with his Sufi version of Islam. He’s a tiny minority among Muslims.

    The Director? None formally, but I suspect (1) – (4) communicate with each other, possibly at times with (5) as well.

    How did I do 🙂 ?

  256. joe webb says:
    @Sam Shama

    mr. shama. Jew= Jew.

    Btw, I no longer call myself a white nationalist, after Spencer and other creeps. I call myself a race realist. Realistically, jews as well as other semites, are unfit, like the Others, to live with whites.

    Proof of my various assertions… Jewboy defines what’s what, end of story.

    and I don’t want to murder anybody, just move them Out. I did say that when the civil war starts, there are lots of folks who are going to get killed, including myself, but I will take pleasure in shooting back (self defense) at jews. Make my Day.

    Joe Webb 

    PS.The jewboy likes to pull the septuagenaria card. ha, I look 55, am tough and get the gals still, and can kick probably 95% of asses on this list. Good White genes, actually the best.

    One thing I thank the jews for, and that is the jews starting wising me up about 20 years ago while i was still stuck in my ultra-surplus white altruism, trying to love everybody. My first readings were into Israel, then the jews, then racial IQ/behavior, and the rest is obvious. So thanks to the jews I was led out of my Ultra-altruism and into the real world of biology.

    In this sense the jewgirl writer is correct….she and her tribe educated me as to the fundamentals, starting me on my path to discovery. I am now Ripe, thanks to jewry, the looniest, but most Darwinian of all Others.

    PPS, I was getting into my motorcycle gear yesterday getting ready to leave my parking space. Chink male drives up and stops, wanting my spot. Wife jumps out to run into fe-fe high-end shop. Guy waits for me to get ready. By the time I am ready to fire up my beast, said Chink has 5 cars behind him. (There are other spaces around empty )

    I leave but first count to 5 with gloved fingers, and and then raise the White Man banner of the middle social finger to said chink. Normally this is not a wise thing to do when on a motorcycle and opponent has weight and mass on you. Not to worry about a chink. They got no balls and only plot, like the jews. This is why chinks get massacred around the East from time to time.

    Ditto the jews. It is as simple and profound as that. Other people do not count. Only Whites, and myself, are courteous not only to one’w racial confreres, but to Others as well.

    JW

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  257. Art says:
    @mcohen

    it amuses me no end that the owner,a jew published an article by a jew so jew haters may post there spew for the stew

    Mr. Unz and Miss Mercer are working to save Judaism from itself.

    God speed to them.

    Peace — Art

    • Replies: @mcohen
  258. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    How did I do 🙂 ?

    Nice job, Sam. Now I think it only fair that each of us on your list gets to respond in kind.

    Here’s my contribution:

    (1) Sam = one time ardent defender of Zionism, then unexpected renouncer of Zionism, to once again ardent defender of Zionism; strong command of several languages, but expresses himself, in English at least, in very convoluted manner; fond of attacking others for inconsistencies while thinking both Gerald Kaufman and Ariel Sharon are “the mensch”; delights in partaking in the finer things in life as the wider world around him goes up in smoke, thanks to his “automatic” contributions to The Lobby.

    (2) iffen = constantly on the lookout for 88s; pessimistic Christian Zionist who believes his good friend (who happens to be a Jewish Zionist) will meet an ugly fate during the Rapture; inventor of a new anti-semitism test to replace/supplement Adorno’s F-scale test.

    Look forward to the others’ contributions.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @iffen
  259. joe webb says:
    @Sam Shama

    How much time did you expend in your etymological research on this one jewboy?

    “Still yet, I shall allow myself the liberty to instruct you on the etymology of the word ‘understand’, which is not – as you incorrectly stated- to mean ‘stand under’, but in fact derived most likely from the Sanskrit ‘antar‘, meaning ‘among’, or the Latin ‘inter‘ or even the Old German verstehen, to stand before.”

    I made no claim to etymology, just looked at the word in common sense terms, but you had to, talmudically slice and dice.

    Actually I thank you for that. “Among” suggest an equality of standing. “Inter” suggests the same, and “stand before” suggests more respect for the phenomena. All pretty much what my plain English White pedigree on “standing under” says. Look at the phenomenon and do not dominate it.

    The jew always stands Over. Always seeks to dominate and control.

    You Sammy (Sammy Glick , Sammy Glick, Sammy Glick…Bud Schulburg??) are a Jew. Enough said, after much understanding of the phenomena. I started out as a philo-semite, but the evidence just kept rolling in. This time you jews are gonna be finished, after all your wars on Arabs, and Whites, and Anybody you don’t like. Fox News still does not get it, along with all the jewnews that fits, and so on. Trump maybe you got and maybe you don’t.

    JW

  260. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    (2) Arts=plays the part of the fool, former HBD/genomics expert turned pious Christian and virulent Jew hater.

    Oh my’ – again you display your juvenile permanent state of paranoia about your 7,000,000,000 critics (poor you, being force fed and terrorized when you were a boy – poor trauma boy).

    As a philosophical Christian – life is sacred to me – all life. We Christians hate the sin, NOT the sinner. It is the sins of Judaism that are on parade for all to see.

    Your problem is that Christianity is not in charge. You and yours are so stupid – that you are actively killing the very thing that can save you.

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Again – poor you – what is it like to never have the mental strength and courage to matriculate into full humanness.

  261. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    The Director? None formally, but I suspect (1) – (4) communicate with each other, possibly at times with (5) as well.

    Oh my – just saw this. The one who disparages all conspiracy theories – just posted a conspiracy theory.

    To funny!

    Peace — Art

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  262. joe webb says:

    There is another smaller matter here. Sammy keeps saying that I am an 88er. I have been stating forever on this list that I oppose AHism. So, jews lie, like Martin Luther says.

    Secondly, Jews distort. I remarked that I would take special pleasure in killing jews when the wars start. This is killing, not murder, just to remind folks. War is war. The trouble with jews is that they never live in peacetime , but are always at war. So , any mention of killing jews, is automatically in the jew-brain, murder. Not only of Jews, but Of Gawd Himself. an illogical view to be sure, but like psychoanalysis, rooted in the jew genes of sex and aggression. Psychoanalysis stands in a long line of jewish sexual obsession, rooted in Caballah…a jew beat me to it a few years ago…in a little book on it. Of course, he loved to get Freud into the magic of Caballah, etc.

    The recent history of non-Orthodox jews has involved these jews finally giving up on the Messiah, and according to a couple jew statements on this matter, they now consider jews themselves to be God. This is an interesting development in jewish intellectuality.

    Theocracy morphed into Chosen Secular People, God, Jew total domination of the world. For its own good of course. Theocracy into Absolute ethnic chauvinist totalism.

    I will take no pleasure in killing the various Enemies of Whites during the during the coming wars. Except Jews, Jewish Exceptionalism call it. And , unlike the OT, Deuteronomy I think, with its “kill them all, even their little ones.” We will not kill children, The kids will be removed to their various homelands, along with their parents who have cooperated with their repatriation.

    Jewish children whose parents have been killed in the war, can be adopted out and we will then see if the jewish disease is more cultural or more genetic. It is probably both, but mixing jew genes with white genes will disappear in short time, couple generations, the jewish disease, if it is genetic.
    Of course, some kind of judenstaat to preserve jews is a good idea, as long as they have no guns, and most of their wealth has been taken for the Common White Good.

    The final solution to the jewish problem. Maybe Texas, or Australian outback, where they can make the desert bloom, instead of Boom. They can also have the big rock in the middle of Australia…and true believers can troop up and, there masada like, swan dive with the Talmud in their arms, or at least a couple tomes thereof. Nearer my Gawd to Thee.

    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @iffen
  263. KA says:
    @Gabriel M

    1 Last summer, the third U.S. soldier from Company B, First Battalion, 502nd Infantry, 101st Airborne Division, was sentenced for his part in the rape and murder of an Iraqi family in Mahmudiya, a Sunni town 20 miles south of Baghdad. As some might recall, these soldiers broke into a family home, raped the teenage Abeer Qassim al-Janabi while her parents and a 7-year-old sister were locked in a backroom, and then killed her and her family. For their crimes, the soldiers received a combined total prison sentence of over three hundred years.

    Steven Green, described as the ringleader, was discharged in May 2006 on psychiatric grounds
    . Court testimony indicates the following sequence of horror: Cortez and Barker raped the girl; Green shot the parents and younger sister; he then raped the older girl, killed her and they poured kerosene on her body and set it on fire. http://www.counterpunch.org/2008/04/04/rape-as-an-instrument-of-total-war/

    2 The Civil War general, William Tecumseh Sherman, pioneered total war during his infamous “march to the sea” in 1864. His campaign effectively destroyed his enemy in both physical and spiritual senses; it ended America’s most consequential military engagement.

    Sherman believed that war should be total, that it should be extended from a conflict between recognized combatants to a conflict involving an enemy’s entire society, including its natural resources, farming and food supply, utilities and other aspects of civilian life.

    3 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/may/22/iraq.usa1 —the Washington Post report, one detainee, Kasim Hilas, describes the rape of an Iraqi boy by a man in uniform, whose name has been blacked out of the statement, but who appears to be a translator working for the army.

    “I saw [name blacked out] fucking a kid, his age would be about 15-18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard the screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw [blacked out], who was wearing the military uniform putting his dick in the little kid’s ass,” Mr Hilas told military investigators. “I couldn’t see the face of the kid because his face wasn’t in front of the door. And the female soldier was taking pictures.” Another inmate, Thaar Dawod, describes more abuse of teenage Iraqis. “They came with two boys naked and they were cuffed together face to face and Grainer [Corporal Charles Graner, one of the military policemen facing court martial] was beating them and a group of guards were watching and taking pictures from top and bottom and there was three female soldiers laughing at the prisoners,” he said.

    • Replies: @Anon
  264. Sam Shama says:
    @joe webb

    [and I don’t want to murder anybody, just move them Out]

    But…but Joe, you did say five minutes ago that wanted to kill people like me…..are you losing your bluster at the prospect of wearing that orange jump suit behind bars?

  265. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Who said anything about a Constitution? “The West” doesn’t have one, unless you’re talking about the Roman Empire, in which case, yes, it’s true that the House of Submission is sitting on about half of what used to belong to that august principality. All I’m saying is that “The West” is an English term with a well-understood meaning, and any translation difficulties with Arabic terms fail to affect the fact. Likewise it’s true that “The Bible” means “The Book”, but I’m not going to take my copy of Murder on the Orient Express for the inspired Word of God.

    Ftr, I’m not any “whiter” than you, save for an old tradition of Portuguese blood, so perhaps la Sra. Gallina will allow us low-IQ fellows to discuss in peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @attilathehen
  266. Sam J. says:
    @Jake

    “…Jews by and large get steered into things that will come back to bite off their faces, quite literally at times.

    He says this happens 2 ways. One is that a number of loud Jews get a burr under their saddles to harm some other group they feel has wronged them and get so entangled in revenge against that group that they fail to see actual threats. Those Jews tend to be very nasty personalities who scare others into silent acceptance.

    Another is that most Jews believe deep down that they are the chosen race…”

    This is a very penetrating observation. The question is why do their minds work this way? There’s one idea that describes the Jews perfectly. It describes their parasitism, their, lying, their chameleon like behavior, their sense of superiority and belief that they are different from everyone else. There’s a simple explanation for why the Jews are hated so much that also explains their behavior and success. The Jews are a tribe of psychopaths. No all, maybe not even the majority, but a large number. All of the Jews ancient writings are nothing more than a manual for psychopaths to live by. The Talmud is nothing but one psychopathic thought after another. The Talmud “great enlightenment” basically says that everyone not Jewish is there to serve Jews. All their property is really the Jews. No one is really human unless they’re Jews and their lives don’t matter. A psychopathic religion for a psychopathic people.

    They’ve been thrown out of every single country that they’ve been to in any numbers. Psychopaths having no empathy themselves can only go by the feedback they get from the people they are exploiting. So they push and push to see what they can get away with. The normal people build up resentment towards them. Thinking “surely they will reform or repent” like a normal person who does wrong. Of course the Jews do not. They don’t have the mental process for reform. Then in a huge mass outpouring of hate for the Jews, fed up with the refusal to reform their behavior, they attack and/or deport them. In this stage of the cycle the Big/Rich Jews escape and the little Jews are attacked.

    Start over.

    Even if it’s wrong if you assume the Jews are a tribe of psychopaths you will never be surprised and Jew’s behavior will make sense.

    In order to predict Jews behavior read the great book on Psychopaths by Hervey Cleckley, “The Mask of Sanity”. Here’s a chapter you should read. It’s about the psychopath Stanley. Who does all kinds of manic bullshit and spends all his time feeding people the most outrageous lies. Look at the astounding array of things he’s able to get away with. Maybe it will remind you of a certain tribe. New meme. “They’re pulling a Stanley”. The whole book is on the web and worth reading.

    http://www.energyenhancement.org/Psychopath/psychopath-Hervey-Cleckley-the-mask-of-sanity-SECTION-TWO-THE-MATERIAL-Part-1-The-disorder-in-full-clinical-manifestations-19-Stanley.html

    I’ve noticed that several others have come to the same conclusion. It’s very simple to do so because the facts fit the case so well. If it were widely known that the Jews were a tribe of psychopaths their ability to do damage to our society would be be vastly curtailed. When they started spouting nonsense, as they frequently do, no would would pay a minutes attention to them.

    I believe their mental “map” is a consequence of civilization. They are a parasitical innovation to fill a niche in civilizations. I think part of the rise of civilization is empathy. If there were little empathy then it would be hell to live in a huge city. Any time someone had something you wanted you would just take it. Civilization wouldn’t last. I think it’s likely that the Neanderthals had little empathy for other humans and due to that they could never build large groups with shared goals. It seems that Blacks are the same way as everywhere they go the destroy civilization.

  267. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Don’t blame Talha; he’s rather rattled at the moment by the deluge of attacks and insults, both real and perceived, on his religion, and more bizarre attacks on his family. No-one can retain their composure 100% of the time.
    Both you and he take a somewhat simplistic view of history, which is rather beside the point, and, as is necessitated by apologetics, a somewhat reified view of religion. Talha seems to agree with you that immigration restrictions are not unreasonable and about liberal democracy so called.

  268. Sam J. says:
    @jack ryan

    “…I though the 9/11/01 slaughter in New York City would change American Jewish public opinion about mass Muslim immigration or better yet, change Jewish American public opinion about mass 3rd world immigration. But, for some strange reason 9/11/01 did not change Jewish American views of immigration…”

    That’s because they are the ones responsible for 9-11. Anyone with a little sense can see that building #7, not hit by a plane, and only having fires in 3 or 4 floors couldn’t fall like a rock dropped in air for roughly 108 feet without some Demo help. We even have videos of people in the building that were thrown up stairwells by bomb blast.

  269. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @KA

    Sherman’s march doesn’t enter into it; whether scorched-earth tactics are war crimes or not has nothing to do with the kind of war crimes under discussion.

    No Western army in recent years has done anything to equal Beslan for simple horror; that is not to say that Western soldiers would not do such a thing in future; some pretty awful things have been done already. However, this does not change the fact that such acts are always disavowed and regarded with repugnance. Whereas Basayev and Khattab made such things a recognized part of their efforts, and regarded them with pride.

    • Replies: @KA
  270. Sam J. says:
    @MEexpert

    I knew that. It was just easy to copy/paste off of your post. My apologies for my laziness.

  271. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Hola Senor!

    All I’m saying is that “The West” is an English term with a well-understood meaning, and any translation difficulties with Arabic terms fail to affect the fact.

    No problem! All I’m saying is that al-Maghreb also is a term that fails to translate completely to English too.

    allow us low-IQ fellows to discuss in peace

    Love it! Low-IQ high-five – wait, low-five!

    Peace.

  272. @geokat62

    “Look forward to others contributions.”

    Geokat62,
    F.Y.I., Earlier in the comment history of this sophomoric article, I announced my resignation to Talha. Now, like in the film, “The Shining,” I’m back.

    As I read Sam Shama’s “profiles” (comment # 261) on us, I suggest he has harvested inspiration by “partaking” in the finest scotch and viewing reruns of cable-TV’s “Criminal Minds.” No doubt, I like how cast-members Hotch, Penelope, J.J., and Spencer go about doing their business, and I see how Sam The Sham has the credentials to produce his own popular TV show called “Seinfeld’s Exposing Thought Criminal Minds.” Please bear with me geokat62?

    In Gulag Archipelago One, Chapter “The Law Matures,” Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn described a bizarre scene where Stalin’s GPU (secret police) goons were given an assignment to prove that Mensheviks “wormed their way into many important jobs for counterrevolutionary purposes.”

    Turns out that there were no (“0”) real Mensheviks in important Soviet posts at the time, but after long GPU drinking bouts, agents put their little criminal minds together and framed several Bolshevik loyalists!

    I am not at all sure what kind of a fucked up future U.S.-Zionists have in store for us, but the “profile” Sam The Sham composed on me (in particular), converges perfectly well with Tel Aviv’s big plans to impeach ever more knowledge from the shrinking pocket of people who are committed to learn historical truth on WW II.

    Please refer to Amazon.com marching orders below, geokat62? You did fine by shooting “Nine grams” into foggy cyberspace that might even awaken Sam The Sham. Given a totally unexpected Charles Lindbergh-American twist of fate, his lot could be easily hauled away like plotting Kremlin doctors were during the reactionary days of 1952.

    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Amazon-is-asked-to-stop-selling-books-on-Holocaust-denial-482349

    Post scriptum: My resignation from this article is now final. Thanks to all.

    • Replies: @iffen
  273. This may be the single weirdest comments section I have ever read at Unz.

  274. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Now, has the pendulum swung too far?

    Yes, no soup for you or your Muslim brothers.

    The West cannot declare a monopoly on the ‘true’ interpretation

    Yes we can, in the West.

    If the question is, could people piss publicly on paintings of the Son of Mary

    I have always wished that we could get at this in some manner. I just can’t come up with a method that is within “the rules.”

    countries running very well under Islamic rules that have a good degree of tolerance

    Like I said, not apples to oranges, but apples to rocks

    Is it a good thing that anything and everything be tolerated everywhere? That is the question.

    Big boy talk, not for you to chime in.

    • Replies: @Talha
  275. iffen says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Shane. Shane! Come back! Bye, Shane.

  276. @Anon

    Hola Pollo Loco Anon. “…not any “whiter” than you.” Anon – what are you and what is your interest in the West? Talha is Pakistani – 90% chance he’s dark-skinned (there is a small 10% lighter-skinned higher IQ Pakistani). What do you really think about Islam? What do you really think about Caucasians/Europeans? Christianity/Europaganism? What is your game? Are you Jewish/Asian/black or involved with such peoples?

    • Replies: @Anon-og
  277. iffen says:
    @joe webb

    There is another smaller matter here. Sammy keeps saying that I am an 88er. I have been stating forever on this list that I oppose AHism. So, jews lie, like Martin Luther says.

    Everybody lies, it’s what humans do.

    You say that you are a WN, but not the Spencer type, and not the AH type, that is a small world.

    • Replies: @joe webb
  278. Talha says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hey Sam,

    A bit of corrections:

    Intellectual pacifist Muslim

    Nope – no pacifism here. I belong to the Naqshbandi Mujaddidi Order, do you know how many of the Tsar’s soldiers fell to Naqshbandi rifles in the Cacausus?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam_Shamil

    There is a proper time and proper conduct of violence which is outlined by the sacred law.

    whose heart is into Liberalism

    Do liberals support blasphemy laws? I support religious tolerance – but again, we have a slightly different definition of it than others.

    He’s a tiny minority among Muslims.

    Not sure – this may be the case since many Muslims are ignorant of much of their religion (as other followers of other religions are actually) – but I can tell you, this stuff is pretty common knowledge among our traditional scholarship. You can take anything I say to your traditionally trained Muslim scholar and ask them if I’m off the mark.

    Otherwise you were correct. 🙂

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  279. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:
    @attilathehen

    Calm down high IQ lady, its the weekend and we have things to do..

    The gist of what I am saying is calling yourself high IQ doesn’t make you so. I am not the only one on here bearing witness to Talha getting the better of you multiple times so if you’re going to represent our heritage(lol), don’t do it making us look stupid. Resorting to name calling isn’t a good look when it comes off as defensive for not arguing effectively hun. Your IQ arguments look desperate in the context of this discussion.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  280. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    So I am a White Knight for pointing out that you are too stupid to be the one to carry on this fight on behalf of white people against Talha and those like him, although your noble effort is appreciated. You end up doing more harm to your race as everyone bears witness to your intellectual inferiority to Talha which you do not offset by simply calling him and his people stupid..don’t you wish it was that easy 🙂

    • Replies: @Talha
  281. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:
    @attilathehen

    Hey Ms. GateKeeper for the white race, I’m sure its not intelligence that is the main strength you are bringing to our struggle right? I’m sure you are attractive or something else as your main strength, say it “ain’t” your logic and debating skills. For if you are as ugly as you are stupid, talking genetics and IQ are both convos you shouldn’t be having.

  282. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    pessimistic Christian Zionist who believes his good friend (who happens to be a Jewish Zionist) will meet an ugly fate during the Rapture

    Not a Christian, not a Zionist, still a pessimist.

    When a Christian, I actually believed that Jews who keep the covenant would not come to a bad end.

    Said belief refutes Talha’s opinion that the unwashed should not be allowed to tinker with or think about theology.

    Constantly

    A Canadian who has constant anxiety over what the Americans are doing about the lobby/Lobby.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Talha
  283. iffen says:
    @Talha

    I have taken note of the pride you have in “we wuz badasses at times.”

    • Replies: @Talha
  284. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    I don’t know any Jews, Sam, but if I did I would hope that they would be like you.

    I have said it before, I really need and want a little humor along with the D&F.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  285. iffen says:
    @joe webb

    the jew genes of sex

    You got some of these. Didn’t you, Joe?

  286. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    Not a Christian, not a Zionist, still a pessimist.

    Care to elaborate?

    A Canadian who has constant anxiety over what the Americans are doing about the lobby/Lobby.

    Still haven’t landed on upper or lower case, I see.

    • Replies: @iffen
  287. john cronk says: • Website

    “As a Jew on the libertarian Right…”

    As opposed to what, why, and what’s the significance of the distinction?
    ‘A Jew’ in what way?

    But thank you for leading with the warning. I look for analysis, and pre-formed prejudices, based on reason, not on clannishness, or religious, ethno or cultural prejudice or claims to special status.

  288. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Malaysia is a terrible example. It’s absolutely divided by religion and race. Neither major race (Chinese and malay) get the freedom to live out their destiny and no one gets to live in a unified society, like our neighbours in Thailand.

    Sorry… Bad idea.

    • Replies: @Talha
  289. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    Not a Christian, not a Zionist, still a pessimist.
    Care to elaborate?

    I don’t believe that they are entitled to it as a matter of prophecy like I did at one time. That said, they have as good a claim as anyone else. 9/10 and all that. Great Powers and UN plan has some standing.

    Still haven’t landed on upper or lower case, I see.

    Yes, there is some complexity there that I have been unable to sort through. If you remember, it was the only question that I had about what your heroes, M & W, had to say.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  290. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Iffen, deeply appreciate the kind words which I should file away for those moments when cheerfulness and humour falter at the hands of malice, loutishness, and churlish ignorance.

  291. @Anon-og

    I’ve have lots to do but responses are easy to people like you.

    Tahla is an Asian Muslim, inferior to a Caucasian Christian woman.
    Another commentator Jason Liu asked about Chinese American issues. I told him Chinese-American is an oxymoron and that Chinese had nothing to do with the USA or the West.

    Islam is a Christian heresy, so as a Christian I have to defend my faith against this evil heresy.

    You mentioned in an earlier comment about being hopeful that Trump will break the Zionist hold on the USA. Again, are you European/Caucasian, Christian/neopagan? These are the peoples of the West, not Asiatic, Paki, Muslims a la Talha. Do you think paying attention to Talha types will help the West? Judaism and Islam are flipsides of the same worthless coin.

    An IQ of 90+ is needed to maintain a functioning, civil society/country. Pakistan IQ is 84 (I will say Talha is probably at 91). Only Caucasians possess these IQs.

    First identify yourself. You’re being slippery. Your first allegiance should be to Caucasian, Christian women, not inferior males.

    And if you’re looking to Art, MExpert, Jonathan Revusky as those who think they know more than I do, you’re with the wrong types.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  292. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    Yes, no soup for you or your Muslim brothers.

    Indeed.

    Yes we can, in the West.

    And it seems to be potentially quite malleable. Well – you’ve defined the impasse. So we have the the paradox well detailed by Nassim Talib – let’s put Salafism aside – it is far too intolerant and still a minority, let’s take Orthodox Sunni (which is the majority – yet would still be considered intolerant according to Liberalism – well, so would a strong resurgent Christianity):

    Popper’s Paradox
    As I am writing these lines, people are disputing whether the freedom of the enlightened West can be undermined by the intrusive policies that would be needed to fight Salafi fundamentalists.
    Clearly can democracy –by definition the majority — tolerate enemies? The question is as follows: “ Would you agree to deny the freedom of speech to every political party that has in its charter the banning the freedom of speech?” Let’s go one step further, “Should a society that has elected to be tolerant be intolerant about intolerance?”
    This is in fact the incoherence that Kurt Gödel (the grandmaster of logical rigor) detected in the constitution while taking the naturalization exam. Legend has it that Gödel started arguing with the judge and Einstein, who was his witness during the process, saved him.
    I wrote about people with logical flaws asking me if one should be “skeptical about skepticism”; I used a similar answer as Popper when was asked if “ one could falsify falsification”.
    We can answer these points using the minority rule. Yes, an intolerant minority can control and destroy democracy. Actually, as we saw, it will eventually destroy our world.
    So, we need to be more than intolerant with some intolerant minorities. It is not permissible to use “American values” or “Western principles” in treating intolerant Salafism (which denies other peoples’ right to have their own religion). The West is currently in the process of committing suicide.

    https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15#.wvbotjtn7

    So, there seems to be a sort of checkmate at play. Does the Liberal West allow itself to eventually be overtaken by a growing religious minority according to its rules* or does it actually put them in check by legally limiting their influence – in essence taking a rule from their playbook which keeps power out of the hands of other religious minorities – and thus recognizing the essential wisdom that they have in their tradition and coming to a parity with it? I’m telling you, the level of collective laughter will be audible coming from the Muslim world if the West tries to preach to us after essentially making us second class citizens – and deafening if we are put on boats.

    How will the West handle that cognitive dissonance post-deportation – this will be interesting.

    But, as I have stated before, once the Muslim unpacks reality according to our tradition, things become apparent. We are guests here under a mutual security agreement; we expect no harm to be done to us and we are obligated to do no harm. The governing authorities control the ability to rescind that agreement – of course we could petition for appeal, but will that be heard or not? As Imam Ghazali (ra) stated: “once the real meaning is understood, there is no need to quibble over names”.

    The Muslims who have misunderstood how we stand here according to our own sacred law will be absolutely baffled when the meanings of the terms they put faith in like “civil rights”, “citizenship”, etc. change abruptly; Dar al-Aman can morph into Dar al-Harb in relatively short order.

    Peace.

    *Note: Honestly, this would not even be a problem if the West didn’t have it’s own problems – when it was strong and confident it wouldn’t be worried by a less than 5% population. The fear is a reflection of its own internal state – we’re just adding one more variable.

    Don’t know if you’ve come across this poem before by Maya Angelou, but it’s worth a read:
    These Yet To Be United States

    Tremors of your network
    cause kings to disappear.
    Your open mouth in anger
    makes nations bow in fear.

    Your bombs can change the seasons,
    obliterate the spring.
    What more do you long for ?
    Why are you suffering ?

    You control the human lives
    in Rome and Timbuktu.
    Lonely nomads wandering
    owe Telstar to you.

    Seas shift at your bidding,
    your mushrooms fill the sky.
    Why are you unhappy?
    Why do your children cry?

    They kneel alone in terror
    with dread in every glance.
    Their nights are threatened daily
    by a grim inheritance.

    You dwell in whitened castles
    with deep and poisoned moats
    and cannot hear the curses
    which fill your children’s throats.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  293. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    We still iz.

    That’s actually part of the problem – you know of any other minority that gets people peeing in their pants once they reach a 3% threshold? In Lebanon, the Christians are at 40% – I know Muslims from Lebanon, I don’t know a single one that worries about Christians taking over. Especially with Hezbollah around.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Anon
    , @Anon
  294. Talha says:
    @Anonymous

    They’re doing pretty well given the situation that they’ve got. Two distinct ethnicities and two distinct religions (not to mention the aboriginal people like the Orang Asli). As far as I’m concerned they’re a great example of a fairly stable and generally cooperative nation (especially given the crazy geography). Are they perfect? No – utopia is a pipe dream.

    If you are Malay – I understand you may know about your situation more than I – but I would say you should thank God immensely for what you do have – do you not see what’s happening in the world?

    Peace.

  295. iffen says:
    @Talha

    It is true that I took offense at your condescension and disrespect of my peeps and I put my resentment into my comments.

    I just want you to know that that was not the original trigger. That would be a comment that you made a while back when you stated something to the effect, “ I am here and my compatriots, some of whom are goatherds, need to stay where they are and eat dust.”

    That’s when it popped into my head that there was something wrong.

    • Replies: @Talha
  296. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    tinker with

    No.

    think about theology

    Absolutely.

    The vast majority view in Islam is that you must actually be rationally convinced about the beliefs and creed – you cannot say you simply believe because the shaykh in the mosque told me so or my parents. Completely invalid and does not count.

    Jurisprudence is another story – following rulings without knowing the specific evidences is completely valid – otherwise society would literally come to a standstill.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @joe webb
    , @iffen
  297. Talha says:
    @Anon-og

    Hey Mike,

    1) Don’t waste your time.
    2) Anybody who thinks superior IQ actually translates to genetic superiority has not even grasped the fundamental concept of evolution. It is as inane as claiming muscle to mass indicates genetic superiority as a whole. Any particular trait in isolation only reflects it being selected for, given a certain environment and certain pressures. Just as some people have superior strength, bone density, resistance to disease, etc. – all advantageous given certain environmental factors. The only thing that determines selective advantage is the success that allows that trait to be propagated to the next generation and so on and so on…. That is the definition; once the dust settles in survival of the fittest, one can determine which trait was more advantageous.

    Right now, the populations clocking at the highest IQs are also the ones being selected against – their populations are in free-fall; ergo, by current analysis (unless trends change) high IQ is a selective disadvantage.
    3) Intelligence is not synonymous with and a poor substitute for wisdom. I’m in IT – I see so many people who are intelligent, but unwise.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @attilathehen
  298. joe webb says:
    @iffen

    Well, I don’t blame you for not reading carefully on this list However, I do solemnly swear that while I have called myself a White Nationalist, I no longer do so….because WN, at least in the US, is largely fascinated with Adolph, if not worse.

    As I have also been saying for the last couple months post Richard Spencer and the other guy’s antics…Anglin is it? that I now call myself a Race Realist.

    This provides wiggle room to be sure, as in lots of negotiation possible…as in politics, not fundamentalist theocratic Religion like Judaism.

    However, the goal, my goal, is a White Ethno State. It may take us a century to get there but it can be done with self-repatriation to Mexico, etc ( forced evacuation ) and a Black State somewhere, maybe in Texas. Let them have the oil. But it would be so nice if they were not here.

    As for the Jews, same thing, another state somewhere which they pay for it this time, and having paid for it, presumably enraging half a billion people like the muzziles and Arabs (or more ) when you think Indonesia, etc. does not happen again.

    The jews are bringing world war and endless terrorism. It is that simple. Just in the news the last day or so, there are moves to incorporate legally, jewlegal, some of the West Bank settlements into Israel. Do you suppose that that throws more fuel on the fire.? Or, the recent murder of a wounded Palestinian terrorist or gunman…who was on the ground helpless and badly wounded….how many Whites will pay for that little jew murder with more terror in Europe and the US. The jew perp got 18 months as I recall. Justifiable Jew Homicide.

    So we think Trump is this dumb…as to give the jews a pat on the butt? Maybe he is. He has GOT to see that his Lying Media is Jewish, not jewish, but Jew.
    Mars, the war planet is one destination besides Texas or Australia.

    No more soup for the Jews. thanks..but the Seinfeld jewboys got in a slick one, like Springtime for HItler, with that one.

    Again, I hope folks read The Arabists, by Kaplan, a page turner and the propaganda , not much of it , is easily discerned. The chinks will be discovered to be a bigger threat to White life than all the usuals. Liberals where I live in Silicon Valley are seeing it and talk about it, Jews too…heh heh.

    Joe Webb

  299. Sam Shama says:
    @Talha

    Popper’s Paradox was seen at one point to be a criticism of Keynes’ logical theory of probability or the associated “Weight of Argument”, but “irrelevance” when added as a definition bypasses this apparent difficulty. The sort of problem which Popper’s Paradox seems to generate is no more than a variety of semantical paradox, as for example any theory of “truth” is afflicted by.

  300. joe webb says:
    @Talha

    this is great laugh line….muzzies are rational and must see convinced. Total nut job this Talha, not worth a moment’s consideration. Of course, if a muzzle is rationally convinced that the prophet is full of shit and thus quits….No Life for You! And female cutting, very rational, and stoning adulterers , very rational…to death by the way, and, and, and. Muzzies should be totally banned, all of them, not on religious grounds, but on public safety grounds.

    I especially like the muzzie rape of a boy in Europe a while back. Said Muzzie exclaimed that he had had a ‘sexual emergency.’ (Maybe he was actually jewish.)

    All Semites Out. jews and muzzies.

    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @Talha
  301. @Talha

    The sooner you move back to IQ 84 Pakistan, the better you will be able to appreciate the “wisdom” of its people.

  302. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Wait, so this is your model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Civil_War ?

    The Christians seem to be holding their own: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Aoun . To Muslims, political domination seems to be a sine qua non; they share this quality with liberals, whom in many ways they resemble; a discussion on the relation between the two is held below, by people neither Muslim nor liberal:

    http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2016/01/liberalism-and-islam.html
    https://bonald.wordpress.com/2016/01/14/liberalism-and-islam-christianity-and-paganism/
    http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2016/01/islam-christianity-and-liberalism-again.html .

    As for not importing more Muslims; well, Muslims are a luxury, and not, it seems at present, a particularly delectable one. America is perhaps too city-on-the-hill-ish, but surely it is not too much to ask that we import only or by preference those whom we desire to see as worthy exemplars of the next generation of Americans.

    Granted we don’t always agree on who these people are.

    • Replies: @Talha
  303. KA says:
    @Anon

    Sure they come to realize,accept the responsibility,offers apology and show contrition years or decade later . Clinton offered apology to Guatemala few yrs back and then went to do something similar to Libya , Syria. She has not yet offered her apology to Hondurus .She sure would after bombing Iran .

  304. Talha says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Hey SK,

    There is no second cancer.

    Says you – we wouldn’t even be having this conversation if the West didn’t look like a terminally ill patient showing the first symptoms. Look, I hope the West recovers, I really do — whether I’m in it or not. But blaming Muslim minorities for the fact that too many Westerners can’t raise stable families to keep their populations stable or that their suicide rates are extraordinarily high for their level of material comfort (which actually may be the problem) is just silly.

    it is extreme immune reaction

    You said it brother; the moral, rational and intelligent action to take would be to punish and exile the criminal elements among Muslim immigrants and create laws for low tolerance policies for thuggery instead of lumping everyone together. But extremists aren’t known for moral, rational, and intelligent actions; neither ours nor yours.

    Hence, you must go either peacefully, or violently as you choose.

    I’ll go peacefully – as I mentioned to others, when I get my official notice from the Federal government that my stay here is no longer sanctioned, I’ll leave. You don’t expect me to move my family to Selangor or Alexandria just because a bunch of people on an anonymous forum demanded, do you? I mean, would you plan your life on that basis?

    “Honey! Some guy on the internet doesn’t like me – we have to update our passports.”

    You should remember European history. Like 30 years war you mentioned.

    Look, read my comment #224 – you can’t sell me anything and frankly, I’m not scared – what’re you guys going to do – kill us? Like I posted in another thread:
    “Those to whom men said: ‘Surely the people have gathered against you, therefore fear them!’, but this only increased their faith, and they said: ‘Allah is sufficient for us and a most excellent Protector.’” (3:173)

    I am quite aware that Europeans can have hyper-violent meat-grinder slug fests time to time – in fact they excel beyond almost any other people:
    http://battles.nodegoat.net/viewer.p/23/385

    Historically, the ones to suffer most from European violence were Europeans. So it’s up to you, if you want to bring back the mentality of the kind of the Thirty Year’s War. A bit of advice, we are having trouble with our extremists, they kill far more Muslims than non-Muslims – it is a cancer we are trying to excise and it’s not going smoothly. Now, if you think you can turn extremism on and off like a light switch – you haven’t been paying attention to world events. We’re still dealing with the ones that got kicked off nearly a century and a half ago.

    It’s up to you – your continent, your future; Muslims will all be on boats and off the continent. Looking at the watch, it’s been what, 70+ decades since Europe went without a major continental war – maybe y’all just want to clear the field before the referee blows the whistle.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Talha
    , @Sergey Krieger
  305. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    I am here and my compatriots, some of whom are goatherds, need to stay where they are and eat dust

    Where did I say that? I don’t understand – are you for transporting everyone here? I’m fine either way, bring them here or keep them out – this is a conversation the people in the West need to have among themselves. If they want my advice, they can ask me.

    One thing I will say, those of my peeps that are misbehaving and acting like ethnic thugs – you will get zero complaints from me if you give them the boot.

    If anything, I’ve been saying; if the citizens of the US decide to ship me back on a boat to goat-herdsville, I’m not going to be begging to stay. If they want to swap me for some of those people from goat-herdsville, I’m not going to be begging to stay. I just want them to make up their minds so I can figure out the best plans for my family – I need some official notice. Barring that, I’m gonna keep doing my thang.

    Some of those goat-herders are worth a hundred of me, by far! Some of the people I have studied under have studied under them. And those men, I guarantee you, you couldn’t pay them millions of dollars to come live in the West. You know when you buy a new car, it’s all nice and shiny – you can see every new little scratch or dent on it and you’re so careful with it. That’s how pristine and polished those people’s souls are – you look at them and you are reminded of God. People like me, the fender could fall off or somebody could bust the side view mirror and I wouldn’t know:
    “Verily, the most admired ally of mine is a believer of simple means and given to prayer, who has been excellent in the worship of his Lord and has obeyed him in secret, who was obscure among the people and not famous, whose sustenance was barely sufficient yet he bore this patiently.” The Prophet (pbuh) rapped his hands and he said, “Death will come early to him. His mourners and inheritors will be few.” – reported in Tirmidhi

    I do not dare speak disparagingly about those people:
    “Verily God has said: ‘Whosoever shows enmity to a friend of Mine, then I have declared war against him…’” – reported in Bukhari

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  306. Art says:
    @Talha

    You said it brother; the moral, rational and intelligent action to take would be to punish and exile the criminal elements among Muslim immigrants and create laws for low tolerance policies for thuggery instead of lumping everyone together.

    Talha – give them hell.

    The actual deaths are 10,000 Americans – 1,000,000 Muslims.

    We need to get off our high horse and sober up.

    Together with our ungodly support of Israel – we are the ones, on the wrong side of history.

    Peace — Art

    • Agree: geokat62
  307. ABC says:
    @iffen

    >everyone knows that the Semites in anti-Semites are dem Jews

    Who benefits by the use of the term “anti-semite” instead of “anti-Jewish”?

    This terminology confuses the issues, as the vast majority of the world’s semitic people are Arabs, not Jews.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @iffen
  308. Talha says:
    @joe webb

    Hey JW,

    Good old JW – yeah that’s what we’re hear for JW, to amuse you guys. We’re so funny with the way that we jive on about God owning the universe and human beings have a purpose in life and a soul and aren’t just evolved chemical machines and that people are actually equal in His sight and there’s a universal brotherhood and we keep buying out abandoned churches. Yuck yuck, we’re just full of laughs – funny Muzzies, funny guys!

    not on religious grounds, but on public safety grounds

    Well, you just never know what we’re going to do:

    I await the Federal notice in the mail that my citizenship has been revoked and I need to pack. Write in to the Trumpster – tell him how this needs to happen soon. Or maybe you can keep us in zoos and watch us breed.

    Peace.

    Bonus: Race WAAAAR!

  309. dfordoom says: • Website
    @iffen

    Islam is incompatible with liberal democracy.

    Liberal democracy is incompatible with the long-term survival of the West. It was an interesting experiment but it’s failed.

    • Replies: @iffen
  310. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Wait, so this is your model

    Uhhh no – why would you assume that? It’s been decades since the end of the civil war – I’m talking now – during peace time.

    To Muslims, political domination seems to be a sine qua non; they share this quality with…

    …everyone.

    Look, people talk about it as if it’s this evil thing. Christians seek political power and have their voting blocs and lobby groups, Jews the same, Materialists have marches and voting campaigns to keep abortion alive and well, gays too etc. In a democratic system, groups and coalitions (even of truck drivers or prison guards) vote for society to be set up in a way that benefits them. That is how it is supposed to work – that is the point.

    I do not understand why Muslims are singled out. If enough people are scared of us, then take away our voting rights or change Article 6 to say “…no religious Test shall ever be required (for non-Muslims) as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.” This is not particle physics. Or set up a system with White Christians as alphas and have a monarch or some other hierarchy to guard their interests.

    Then will people stop being scared once they’ve completely politically neutered us? Can we get back to business as normal? Look, we are not going to change our religion; it permeates our lives and our communities, God has a say in how He wants society organized – that makes sense to us. It used to make sense to Christians and others in the past. Even today, the king and government of Thailand is supposed to be the guardian of Buddhism in the realm:
    “Section 9. The King is a Buddhist and Upholder of religions.”
    “Section 79. The State shall patronise and protect Buddhism as the religion observed by most Thais for a long period of time and other religions, promote good understanding and harmony among followers of all religions as well as encourage the application of religious principles to create virtue and develop the quality of life.”
    http://www.asianlii.org/th/legis/const/2007/1.html

    Why are the alcohol laws of Utah more restrictive than other states? Who lives there as a majority?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_laws_of_Utah

    And frankly, some people in the West like this message enough that we are growing through conversion. Apparently people can tire of vapid freedom and voluntarily chose slavehood to a Divine being.

    but surely it is not too much to ask that we import only or by preference those whom we desire to see as worthy exemplars of the next generation of Americans

    This is completely reasonable – as is the right of all nations.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
  311. Talha says:
    @Talha

    Sorry, here’s the link:
    http://battles.nodegoat.net/viewer.p/23/385/scenario/1/geo/fullscreen

    Watch that continent light up!

    • Replies: @Anon
  312. Art says:
    @ABC

    Who benefits by the use of the term “anti-semite” instead of “anti-Jewish”?

    This terminology confuses the issues, as the vast majority of the world’s semitic people are Arabs, not Jews.

    Exactly – the term “anti-Semite” as used by the Jews is a big lie. Their calling someone an anti-Semite is an insult – they are the biggest anti-Semites in the world.

    The very last thing that Jews want anyone to say is “anti-Jew.” Any negative word next to Jew is anathema to them.

    The Jews are truly masters at word play – they are the best liars – PERIOD.

    Peace — Art

  313. dfordoom says: • Website
    @iffen

    Correct, and the ultimate outcome of the European religious wars was religious tolerance, a key concept to liberalism.

    Religious tolerance is easy when you no longer care about your religion. Europeans practise religious tolerance because Europeans are basically atheists.

  314. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @attilathehen

    What is your ethnic background? “Caucasian” is very vague and general:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race

    The Caucasian race (also Caucasoid,[1] or Europid[2]) is a grouping of human beings historically regarded as a biological taxon, including some or all of the populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western Asia, Central Asia and South Asia.

  315. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    I’m going to sleep now, v. tired, but I rather thought I’d write this addendum. I think I may have gone farther in the last post than I intended. Someone above wrote that this thread was the strangest he’d yet seen here; he’s not right, we’ve had some weird threads before, but he certainly has a point. This is one of the very few times I’ve seen Talha ruffled: for comparison, the last time was when someone called Mohammed a pedophile! We’re all a little hot under the collar and perhaps -perhaps, too, my perceptions of the rest of you are flawed and it’s just me- we should all rest a bit and remind ourselves: it’s only a comment thread …

    I never said I thought a Muslim minority was the end of the world … In Ceylon, for instance, the country has about 10% Muslims and 10% Christians; for the most part things go along smoothly; every once in a while people get up in arms about a “Sinhala Buddhist nation” and have a nice riot, not too often though, and anyway the people most affected by violence are the Hindus (at a natural level of about 15%, somewhat depressed because of the war), who suffer not for heir religion but for the LTTE rebellion, now fortunately over. Generally the Christians and the Muslims get along swimmingly. In my parents’ time the Christians were generally (I must be tired, I keep using that word) far more religious than the Muslims; now things are more even, probably due mostly to the heavily Marxist compulsory education a few decades back, and due partly to the Saudi-funded Wahhabi revival (it’s downright disconcerting to have a friend go Wahhabi suddenly, but it happens, mostly women). The Christian share of the population is also now slightly lower than the Muslim, as it was slightly higher a decade or two ago; rejoice, Talha! ( 🙂 )

    I’ll foul up this statement and be taken for insulting, but I really don’t intend to; put it down to tiredness. But talking about population reminds me … It seems that we have often been discussing birthrates, with the implied upshot that people without children were at fault, or were something worse; race traitors or recipients of the punishment of God or unlovely people or I know not what; it seems further that we have been alluding to a veritable war of child-rearing, with the outcome that the group with the most kids at the end wins; sometimes it seems (forgive me, I’d say this in a more reasoned way if I were more awake) almost as though it is incumbent on every Muslim to have as many kids as possible, to outnumber everyone else and put the world under sound Muslim governance, at which point they can knock off and play golf. Now, I don’t think this is quite right. It may be the way of things in a democracy (which, in general, I doubt) and it certainly is the way of things some places, like Israel/Palestine, but I cannot see in it any subtle or noble idea. It’s certainly true that demographic collapse is a problem, for some places, and it’s also true that irreligion has much blame to bear, but it’s obviously possible to go too far the other way as well. And here it seems to me that the Christian tradition is slightly more rational, precisely by being apparently irrational; by putting a premium on celibacy and establishing a respect for it.

    In general (aie!) it seems that Muslims, or at least Talha, or at least my impression of Talha, which is certainly distorted and probably wrong, place an inordinate amount of focus on the merely political (Talha often harps on votes, specifically, their presence and absence) and the merely demographic, which seems again to betoken a slightly untoward focus on the temporal, as compared to the spiritual, or even the cultural. Now I know of the respect the Emir (or whatever title) gave to St. Francis, and I know of the marabouts who, I would imagine, do not normally marry, but it does seem that this is a sort of division between the two religions.

    I’m coming dangerously near being insulting again, so I should probably cut this short. I had meant, I think, to say more, but I’m d–ned if I’ll stay awake again long enough to collect my thoughts.

    Anyway, good luck and good night.

  316. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    We cross-posted. See my reply above. Apologized there so won’t do it here.

    Uhhh no – why would you assume that?

    Because that’s why the Christians are not in power (majority of the assembly) and why Hezbollah is around. Wasn’t that long ago, either, under a generation. Isn’t rocket science how one might be misled.

    It did seem to me that

    I know Muslims from Lebanon, I don’t know a single one that worries about Christians taking over. Especially with Hezbollah around.

    sounded almost like

    We’ve got that place locked down now- if those Christians start anything good old Hezbollah will show ’em who’s boss

    ; obviously this wasn’t the right interpretation, but particularly the mention of Hezbollah, regarded rightly or wrongly by many as a terrorist group (and a Shia group at that!), lent itself to that point of view.

    It does seem to me that Muslims in general pay too much attention to the temporal order, at the comparative expense of the spiritual. I explained this before and I’m not any less tired now than I was then, so it won’t sound any better. I once had a discussion with a friend on whether it was better to be a bad Christian or a good pagan; I don’t remember what either of us said or why I thought when I started typing this sentence it had something to do with the topic, but I did. Perhaps you will read this with less tired eyes and trace its meaning.

    Now I really am going to bed.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  317. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Yes, we’re scary and crazy and armed and dangerous! Stay away! Run for your lives!

    Lol!

    *The link’s broken for me.

    **On a slightly more serious note I think there might be a few methodological problems, which I’ll leave others to worry about.

    Good night, morning, whatever time this goes up.

    • Replies: @Talha
  318. @Talha

    You are complicating things and you are second guessing me.
    Muslims overall is a swamp that breeds mosquitoes. Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims… It is clear that the best way to deal with the issue is to drain the swamp. Another thing is that Islam is incompatible with anything else and diversity is not good for society cohesion.
    I am not even American by the way. I am not talking only USA. I realizes USA caused lots of damage in Islamic world, unnecessary one, but committing suicide due to feeling of guilt doe snot make sense.
    The West is ill, ok But so is Islamic world. T e way is to separate.
    I am Russian btw.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @MEexpert
  319. mcohen says:
    @Art

    judaism does not need saving.it needs uniting and that is happening.

    peace–israel

  320. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    I don’t believe that they are entitled to it as a matter of prophecy like I did at one time. That said, they have as good a claim as anyone else. 9/10 and all that. Great Powers and UN plan has some standing.

    Perhaps Sam could elucidate, but I didn’t realize the Zionist ideology was premised on biblical prophecy. Weren’t most of the initial Zionists, including Herzl, atheists? If my understanding is correct, wouldn’t that mean you qualify as being a Zionist?

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Sam Shama
  321. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Senor,
    https://nodegoat.net/blog.p/82.m/14/a-wikidatadbpedia-geography-of-violence

    I’m enjoying this discussion, will respond to your other comments after digesting them fully.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anon
  322. iffen says:
    @ABC

    This terminology confuses the issues

    No one is confused about the Jews being the Semites in anti-Semites.

    This applies to the Jew-hating anti-Semites and to the anti-anti-Semites.

    If it confuses you then you should leave it alone.

    • Replies: @ABC
  323. iffen says:
    @Talha

    rationally convinced about the beliefs and creed

    Rational within the subject and its premises.

    – you cannot say you simply believe because the shaykh in the mosque told me so or my parents. Completely invalid and does not count.

    You believe that because you are standing on a stack of 10 turtles and you can look down and see the Evangelical standing on 5 turtles your “belief” is superior. It’s not, you are still on a turtle.

  324. iffen says:
    @Talha

    this is a conversation the people in the West need to have among themselves.

    I thought that you were a citizen. If you value your citizenship you need to have the conversation as well. You can’t use citizenship when it suits your purposes and disregard it when it is inconvenient. The same applies to your juxtaposing yourself and your friends with “whites.” Doleza syndrome must be contagious.

    those of my peeps that are misbehaving

    Misbehaving could logically be broadly defined to include failure to make a good faith effort to assimilate.

    • Replies: @MEexpert
    , @Talha
  325. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    wouldn’t that mean you qualify as being a Zionist?

    I am a zionist when it comes to the existence of many countries.

  326. I don’t see the point in arguing religion, since each group is going to come out believing that his religion is superior. Arguing about assimilation is also silly, since no group has ever really assimilated into America. Some groups just fit better than others.

    No matter how you slice it, America isn’t a Jewish, Muslim, Latino, Asian, or African society, and anyone who clings to any of those identities hasn’t assimilated. Allowing them or their ancestors to come to this country was a huge mistake, or an act that should be labeled treason, if it were done with the purpose of changing the country without consent. I definitely believe that Jews and Muslims who wish to bring their feud to the U.S. have no place here, and should be deported immediately. I’d also not give a voice to foreign provocateurs like Ilana Mercer. What does she add to the discussion? She’s not an American, doesn’t understand America and certainly doesn’t have the interests of anything but her own self and her tribe at heart.

  327. MEexpert says:
    @Anon

    ; obviously this wasn’t the right interpretation, but particularly the mention of Hezbollah, regarded rightly or wrongly by many as a terrorist group (and a Shia group at that!), lent itself to that point of view.

    The only reason they are declared terrorist group by the US is because of Israel. What Israel wants US obliges and the rest of the world follows. The only reason Israel wants them listed as such is because Hezbollah has twice kicked their kosher behinds and thrown them out of Lebanon. Even now, with all the fire power Israel has, she is terrified of retaliation from Hezbollah.

    The comment (and a Shia group at that!) was rather odd. I don’t know what you meant by that. Did you know that this Shia group has a social network that runs schools, hospitals, and social services in the Southern Lebanon. After the 2006 31-day war with Israel, when Israel destroyed most of the infrastructure in Beirut and the southern part of Lebanon, the day after the cease fire was declared, the Hezbollah engineers and volunteers were at work to rebuild the homes, schools, and hospitals that were destroyed. They housed the people who were displaced and gave the residents financial assistance until they were back on their feet. The Shia group is more trusted than either the Sunnis or the Christians politicians.

    The system of government in Lebanon is very convoluted thanks to the French. In the beginning they wrote in the constitution that the President of Lebanon will be a Christian and the Prime Minister will be a Sunni. There was no provision for the Shias. After much struggle Shias gained the post of the Speaker of the Parliament. “If there were an open election today Syed Hasan Nasrullah, the General Secretary of Hezbollah, will be elected President.” This is a remark made by a British member of Parliament, George Galloway, in the Parliament. He was responding to a deputy foreign secretary’s remark that Lebanon is a democracy.

    Hezbollah should not be on the terrorists list. They only operate within Lebanon. Even in Syria their involvement is mostly near the Lebanon-Syria border or to protect Shia shrines that ISIS wanted to destroy. Their only crime is that they stood up to Israel.

    • Agree: Talha
  328. MEexpert says:
    @iffen

    Misbehaving could logically be broadly defined to include failure to make a good faith effort to assimilate.

    What do you mean by “assimilate?” Up until 9/11 there was no problem with Muslims in the United States. They assimilated fine. They lived with Americans, they worked and socialized with Americans. Their children went to school with American children. Now if you mean by assimilation for them to give up their religious values, that is not going to happen.

    Some one complained, in one of these threads, that Muslims want Halal meat. So what! They dare not complain if the Jews want Kosher meat but if Muslim wants Halal meat, oh my, horrors of horror. I thought the US constitution gave every citizen the right to practice his or her religion. If a restaurant doesn’t serve halal meat, I am not going to fuss about it. If an airline can serve kosher meal, why can’t they serve halal meal also.

    • Replies: @dfordoom
  329. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    [Perhaps Sam could elucidate, but I didn’t realize the Zionist ideology was premised on biblical prophecy.]

    For some, it was, for others an existential imperative. I am on a wavelength close to Iffen’s, where I see Israel’s claims to the land, her approach to fulfilling those claims, degrees superior to the methods applied by any and all human groups in their histories.

  330. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen

    Rational within the subject and its premises.

    Sure, it’s internally coherent – that is most important. If the implication is that our premises are irrational – I don’t take anyone seriously who hasn’t deeply studied our framework. Here is a starting point if interested:
    https://www.amazon.com/Incoherence-Philosophers-Brigham-Young-University/dp/0842524665

    It’s not, you are still on a turtle.

    The Evangelical thinks his stack of turtles is higher, I think mine is – that’s why I’m standing on mine; the problem? The materialist also stands on a stack of turtles, but he doesn’t want to be associated with the rabble so he calls his stack names like “the multi-turtle” and such and hopes they won’t notice.

    You can’t use citizenship when it suits your purposes and disregard it when it is inconvenient.

    I’m trying to have conversations with people based on a commonly recognized framework. If they deny the validity of my citizenship and call me an invader and a cancer in their framework, then I must revert to my framework – I am a dhimmi here, pure and simple a dhimmi with a lot of rights, but apparently these are negotiable. Now, if you want to engage as a fellow citizen, then we can talk along this common framework, but I thought you went to the ‘other side’ and spoke of ‘no soup’ and ‘incompatibility’ – so I am a bit confused.

    Deciding to sit out an issue is a valid point of view – I didn’t vote in the last election either. Perhaps on this immigration issue, I have a conflict of interest. I’d honestly like there to be a full and open debate about it without Muslims involved – that way the country can know how everybody else feels what is best for the national interest. And then I would like people to shut up about it and move on once the people have spoken.

    The same applies to your juxtaposing yourself and your friends with “whites.”

    Not sure what you mean here – my kids are half White and look White, so I don’t get it. I’m just telling people what I would not mind – if they gotta just get theirs.

    failure to make a good faith effort to assimilate

    Define ‘assimilate’; somethings are not for sale.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  331. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Not sure what you mean here – my kids are half White and look White, so I don’t get it.

    My best friend was over yesterday, we were having a hoot about how we should start a Muslim advocacy group for the declining White population called ‘Save the Whites’. It’s funny, but we were both saying it’s a shame White people are declining, we want them to stick around, we don’t want to be left in charge

    I am a dhimmi here

    There are no dhimmis here.

    but I thought you went to the ‘other side’ and spoke of ‘no soup’ and ‘incompatibility’ – so I am a bit confused.

    I am not inclined to go the JW route. I would not expel a fellow citizen. I am willing to say that we should not allow more Muslim immigration, and not renew any legal status for being in the US.

    Define ‘assimilate’; somethings are not for sale.

    I will have to work on this, my thinking on the subject is not consistent and clear.

    I will say that the concept of religious accommodation needs a total rework. The latest court rulings make it clear that the idea is now farcical, arbitrary and denied to Evangelicals.

    • Replies: @Talha
  332. Talha says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Hey SK,

    Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims

    Not all weddings are droned but all weddings that are, are droned by non-Muslims.

    I deplore terrorism and reiterate that it is against our sacred law. The Western countries have a nice get-out-of-jail card in that they simply defined terrorism in only one way; pinprick attacks on their own civilians. Shock and awe campaigns are simply labeled ‘shock and awe campaigns’ and Muslim cities are ‘theatres of war’. So please spare me the one-way nonsense; our pile of bodies eclipses yours anytime. Right now – in the US – people have a far more likely chance of dying from their co-worker going postal than terrorist attacks:
    https://ovc.ncjrs.gov/ncvrw2016/content/section-6/PDF/2016NCVRW_6_WorkplaceViolence-508.pdf

    Getting rid of Muzzies ain’t going to magically change that.

    that Islam is incompatible with anything else

    What does that even mean? When I see stuff like this, it is the signal that I’ve taken somebody far too seriously. You think you can just spout opinion and I’m supposed to accept it at face value?

    Islam is compatible with a whole heck of a lot as far as I’m concerned; it has been able to work (currently and historically) within everything from military dictatorships to monarchies to democratic republics.

    but committing suicide due to feeling of guilt doe snot make sense.

    No, it doesn’t. Committing national suicide because too many people can’t figure out how to settle down and keep a family together also doesn’t make sense…but, here we are.

    I am Russian btw

    Then you should know Russia has had fairly good way (barring the communist repression of religion) of managing relations with Muslims since the multi-ethnic, multi-religious empire of Catherine the Great.

    Peace.

  333. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    Oh that – yeah, well I actually do think that Europeans have built up fairly impressive societies from an organizational and performance viewpoint. I don’t think anybody has the same aptitude honestly (though I can see some immigrants learning it). This is was I was alluding to, if they manage to die off and simply bequeath it to others, I honestly do not think it’ll run as well – do you? Why do you think people like my parents came here?

    There are no dhimmis here.

    We’ll talk once the dust settles – the ultimate answer may shock one or the other of us.

    I am willing to say that we should not allow more Muslim immigration, and not renew any legal status for being in the US.

    Sounds reasonable to me.

    I will say that the concept of religious accommodation needs a total rework.

    Agreed. You talking about forcing people to bake gay wedding cakes and such?

    Peace.

  334. MEexpert says:
    @Sergey Krieger

    Let me start with the one thing I despise the most and that is the term Radical Islam. There is no such thing as radical Islam. There may be some Muslims who are radical, just like there are radical Jews, and radical Christians. There has not been any change in Islam since its inception. One of the beauty of Islam is that the book of God that tells everything about Islam and was revealed more than 1400 years ago is still the same. You can pick any copy of it anywhere in the world and you will not find any difference.

    Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims…

    When the Irish Republican Army was blowing places and people in the United Kingdom, no one called them terrorist. Actually, Ted Kennedy was very supportive of the IRA. Congressman Peter King of New York who is such a vocal opponent of Muslim terrorism was a cheerleader for the IRA sending money to their cause. I don’t believe members of the IRA were Muslims. British could have said the same thing about IRA. Not all Irish are terrorist but all terrorist are Irish.

    Red Army Faction in Germany were held responsible for many bomb attacks between 1970-1998. The various separatist groups used the same tactics in Spain. The attack in Norway where several people were killed was soon forgotten because it did not involve a Muslim. Same thing with Sandy hook school attack. Oklahoma City bombing by Timothy McVeigh. What the Jews did to the British in Israel when they were bombing trains and hotels. Try and call Ben-Gurion, Begin, and Shamir terrorists and see what happens to you. The Train attack in Japan. Point is that if you look at the FBI list of terror attacks in the US in the past twenty five years, Muslim are responsible for a very small number. So you see not all terrorists are Muslims.

    According to records there were 43000 suicides in the US in 2016. That is thousand times more than the deaths by a terrorist attack. If the trillions of dollars the US is spending in destabilizing the Muslim world were to be used in making the life of its citizens better, the US can again be a better place to live and be a beacon of hope for the rest of the world as it once was.

    The problem is that the government is controlled by the military-industrial complex. The industry comes up with new weapons and the military has to try its new toys. So what if in the process few thousand Muslims are killed.

  335. iffen says:

    This is was I was alluding to, if they manage to die off and simply bequeath it to others, I honestly do not think it’ll run as well – do you?

    Up until about 3 years ago, I would have said why not. Then I got woke to the non-existence of the blank slate and the existence of the Bell Curve(s). I spent a considerable amount of time kicking and screaming then as now.

    We already have the Negro problem and the Jewish Question, neither of which will ever disappear. We can’t afford to add the Muslim problem. We are in failure mode now with the cognitive stratification described by Charles Murray. Dogmatic liberalism is on a search and destroy mission against any remaining resistance. Trump may or may not turn out to be a blip on that downward trend line.

    You can’t abdicate your responsibilities by saying it’s not your job. If you are a citizen, you have to own all of it, the good and the bad.

    Not get out there and find those gold tablets buried since around 650 AD that proclaim Islam to be religiously tolerant par excellence.

    You talking about forcing people to bake gay wedding cakes and such?

    Yes, very good example and it was the Washington State case that was in my mind.

    • Replies: @Talha
  336. Gabriel M says:
    @Talha

    Well, she doesn’t say that explicitly, but sure, I’ll give you that – I can see how that is implied.

    It is not implied, it is the article’s central argument. Learn to read.

    Neither do I think it’s funny Jews have to flee, nor do I think it’s funny that they will end up in more illegal settlements in the WB. But I can see a cynical setup when I see it

    Again, Mr. “Moderate Muslim” can’t help but spit out paranoid conspiracy theories. You know it would be super easy for Muslims to foil this cynical set-up: don’t act like mindless savages in every country that is generous to take you in.

    Two Jewish men have been attacked with a hacksaw in Paris after allegedly being called “dirty Jews” in a volley of anti-Semitic abuse.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/jewish-men-attacked-paris-hacksaw-fingers-anti-semitic-bondy-france-police-kippas-a7599516.html

    Ooops!!!

    Wait, how are these people ‘moderate’ exactly? I mean, should I say Baruch Goldstein was a moderate or the guy who whacked Rabin?

    Again, learn to read. I wasn’t calling them moderate (though as far as I know, they weren’t extremists) I was mocking you, Mr. Moderate Muslim once again trying to make a big joke out of your faith’s worldwide savagery.

    “In Knowledge Triumphant, Franz Rosenthal observes that the Islamic civilization is one that is essentially characterized by knowledge blah blah blah

    Is there some giant database of this stuff you go to? Who the hell is Franz Rosenthal? Whoever he is, he should visit an optician.

    “It’s now clear: the Oslo peace accords were wrecked by Netanyahu’s bad faith by Avi Shlaim

    Oh, look an Communist bumwit Jew. Who cites Communist bumwit Jews as authorities? Oh yeah, “Moderate Muslims”.

    I can see it in your desperate mudslinging again and again.

    Here’s some more.

    Although some victims willingly had sex with their abusers, others were physically assaulted and raped by as many as five men at a time,[1] or obliged to having sex with “several men in a day, several times a week”.[7] The victims, plied with drugs and alcohol, were passed around friends and family,[15] and taken to various locations in the north of England, including Rochdale, Oldham, Nelson, Bradford and Leeds.[1]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_child_sex_abuse_ring

    Or as a Moderate Muslim would say … ROFLS/something about the 12th century/ a Jew built a loft conversion on the wrong side of an arbitrary armistice line/hey look a a squirrel!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
  337. iffen says:
    @Talha

    I re-read Mercer’s article and I’m not sure where the error is in her opinion.

    She says that Muslims are a greater threat to Jews than Trump and Jews need to get woke to that fact.

    What part of that is wrong?

    – is our metaphor one of a proud grandparent and grandkids! Can I call you ‘Gramps’??!!

    How about you be the red headed stepchild. The gene is in the line. 🙂

    • Replies: @Talha
  338. Talha says:
    @Gabriel M

    Hey Gabriel,

    You’ve pretty much shown that you’re on par with Mawlana Clyde on his level of argumentation…so I’m going to put you on my “Don’t Waste My Time” (DWMT) list. Because I’m pretty sure everyone else can see it too at this point.

    You know it would be super easy for Israelis to foil this cynical set-up: stop building illegal settlements.

    Franz Rosenthal?
    “In 1956, he was appointed the Louis M. Rabinowitz Professor of Semitic Languages at Yale. He became a Sterling Professor in 1967 and emeritus in 1985….His publications range from a monograph on Humor in Early Islam to a three-volume annotated translation of the Muqaddimah of Ibn Khaldun to a Grammar of Biblical Aramaic.”
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Rosenthal

    Wow – impressive, the Muqaddimah – nice to know there are some Jews who look at Islam through an honest an academic light.

    Now, who the hell are you again?

    DWMT.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Gabriel M
  339. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    We can’t afford to add the Muslim problem.

    The Muslim problem is a different problem. It is not an ethnic problem – it is a religious problem. As I said, the folks with European heritage who built this place have loads of organization and aptitude, if anything, they are missing meaning and purpose. We can choose to learn from one another or simply draw lines and declare the other a rival. My wife is White and a Muslim; is she part of the Muslim problem or the ‘We’ who ‘can’t afford’?

    Haven’t read Mr. Murray’s book but I have listened to interviews; very wise man – I hope people listen to him.

    If you are a citizen, you have to own all of it, the good and the bad.

    Yes it will affect me, but I have already chosen where I want to make a change. I am helping raise young Muslim males (by running a youth group) and grounding them in the tradition so that they have the ability to navigate past the crazy ideologies that are out there. I’m also involved in a local mosque project that is already building bridges in our local community. That is where I want to make the change; around the people that I can affect most and, as this requires time and effort, fighting Leviathan will have to wait.

    Islam to be religiously tolerant par excellence

    According to our standards, this is already the case, according to others’ – not so much. As you mentioned, Liberal religious tolerance was the result of the unparalleled religious wars of Europe; from where we are standing, an extreme reply to an extreme event. And now it’s been turned on your peeps.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @iffen
  340. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    I never challenged her on that, did I? I was challenging her on all the other nonsense she put in her article. His daughter and son-in-law are Jewish right? And Netenyahu is like in total bromance-mode with him? So why would he be a bigger threat?

    Since the inception of Israel, tempers have been boiling and might translate into ‘facts on the ground’ – is this news? Should they feel threatened by Muslims among them? No, absolutely not, because Muslims should be obeying the law of the land and not bringing the hostilities of an overseas conflict into Europe and the US. We should be doing stuff like this:
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/muslim-fundraiser-repair-jewish-cemetery-raises-100k-n724221

    Are all Muslims going to follow the rules? No, obviously not and if they harm anybody, they should be prosecuted.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @joe webb
  341. @MEexpert

    Hezbollah — “Their only crime is that they stood up to Israel.”

    Dear MEexpert,

    No one gives a hoot, but having recalled a really good question raised in The Book of Job, 38.2, I bailed out of this comment “thread” @ # 278.

    Upon return to check upon how embattled-Talha is doing, I read your excellent words (# 333) and I want to say thanks for the history education on Lebanon, including complex politics to date.

    A question. Have you heard that the current (Christian) president of Lebanon is courting the Zionist-friendly Saudi Arabia government for financial aid, and they’re (reportedly) eager for Royal entourages to visit Lebanon and do some “Big Time” spending? I read about this trickery in last week’s Wall Street Journal.

    I intuit poor Lebanon is being led by a Judas Goat to another and more merciless slaughter.

    post scriptum: While Talha’s presently doing battle with dark & deceptive minds who have little else to do, and for encouragement, I pass along the very consoling question from Job, 38.2, “Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?”

    Thanks again, MEexpert. After reading your comment, I trust even Sam Shama and iffen will have enough common sense to comprehend what knowledge you supplied here.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Sam Shama
    , @Talha
  342. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Does anyone besides you, the Islamic scholars that you cite and the King of Morocco follow your brand of Islam?

  343. iffen says:
    @Talha

    My wife is White and a Muslim; is she part of the Muslim problem or the ‘We’ who ‘can’t afford’?

    You tell me. This is my point

    13And they send unto him certain of the Pharisees and of the Herodians, to catch him in his words. 14And when they were come, they say unto him, Master, we know that thou art true, and carest for no man: for thou regardest not the person of men, but teachest the way of God in truth: Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not? 15Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it. 16And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar’s. 17And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. And they marvelled at him.

    Your soul belongs to God, your ass belongs to Caesar. In our country we are supposed to be Caesar.

    • Replies: @Talha
  344. iffen says:
    @MEexpert

    The only reason Israel wants them listed as such is because Hezbollah has twice kicked their kosher behinds and thrown them out of Lebanon. Even now, with all the fire power Israel has, she is terrified of retaliation from Hezbollah.

    Good point, and I want to recognize it because they are so scarce in your comments.

    I have been pointing out to all these Jew-haters who insist that Israel is intent upon destroying all of the ME states, that Israel benefits from stability in the region. Israel is much better off with countries like Jordan, Egypt and SA than with a bunch of Hezbollahs running around.

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @MEexpert
  345. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @MEexpert

    911 has not only affected negatively the fates of the millions in Somalia Yemen Iraq Syria Afghanistan and hundreds of thousands in US as well. It has destroyed the social integrity cohesion and any sense of belonging to a family in those distant lands. Back home in US the effects are equally adverse impacting diverse set of values and attitudes as well as economic and political directions .

    But at one level it has fundamentally degraded and demonized all human resistance to torture exploitation and general uncertainty or resistance to the embedded arbitrariness of the exploitative system . Israel has done it No other country could have been able because on other country has been or will ever be able to insert itself in American consciousness the way Israel has inserted by bullying by bribing by abusing by distorting and by corrupting . Until 911 Hams and PLO or Hizbullah had occupied a different level of understanding among Americans not much different from that of the rest of the world . Israel conflated the American and non -American events and experiences after 911 . The GWOT was born not in US but was cooked in Israel where the resistance by Muslims in Philliones or Israel are terrorism but resistance against Muslim like in South Sudan or E Timor or against Shia in Iran are examples of freedom and liberty . Kurds can imagine a country of their won but not Palestinian or Kashmiris . Fight against Muslims become good fight even when the obvious is still manifest in Indian state of Gujarat or in the workings of Hindu nationalist in India.
    The decision has been made in Israel after 911 that the plate has to be kept hot and kettle be kept boiling to get the desired results of more land garb from Palestine and money grab from US while keeping the ME off balance . It is America against Muslims and that reality was provided by Israel through liberal like Maher to conservatives like Jonnah Goldberg or stupid like Peter King or Menenedez – covering the entire genre .
    The abyss America has descended to is expanding by the American movement down that hole It is paradoxical and counter intuitive but that is what we have seen in last 15 yrs .While Israel wants America to believe that there is light at the end of tunnel .

    Hizbullah is terror outfit because Israel says so and we have boxed ourselves by allowing the phrases like “appeasement” or “Beyond the pale” or like ” Moral equivalence” or like ‘ America is a concept ” replace intelligent evaluation of the situation . There are more to it than these phrases but they were the beginning to open the door to stupidity mixed with hatred and shutting the door to courageous self observation .

  346. dfordoom says: • Website
    @MEexpert

    Some one complained, in one of these threads, that Muslims want Halal meat. So what!

    I agree. If we can cater to the weird dietary fetishes of vegans and those who think they’re allergic to just about everything then there’s no reason to get bent out of shape because Muslims want halal meat. No-one has ever made a fuss about Jews wanting kosher food. No-one ever made a fuss back in the days when Catholics wouldn’t eat meat on Fridays.

  347. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Whatever happened to “Rehmat”? Trollish as he was, I kind of miss him.

    Did Mr. Unz or a mod ban him? I can’t imagine he was important enough for a government hit, but I hope he’s okay (or they’re OK) …

    • Replies: @Talha
  348. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    I have been pointing out to all these Jew-haters who insist that Israel is intent upon destroying all of the ME states, that Israel benefits from stability in the region. Israel is much better off with countries like Jordan, Egypt and SA than with a bunch of Hezbollahs running around.

    If it is stability they want, why is Michael Ledeen and all the other neocons/Israel-firsters plumping the US to destabilize the region by regime changing all those countries deemed hostile to the Zionist project? Why are they on record as saying “faster, please”?

    You know that their goal is to turn these recalcitrant countries (Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran) into pliant states (Jordan, Egypt). And they have hijacked US Foreign Policy to accomplish their goals, squandering $6 trillion and the lives of 4,500 US soldiers and over a million Muslims.

    I think I have finally figured out why a supposed anchor baby would be ok with all of this. You are either a card-carrying member of CUFI or you are none other than the Pastor John Hagee, himself. There can be no other logical explanation.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @iffen
  349. mcohen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Sam

    Why bother,without them this show would lose it’s appeal.I have a saying.if we were all the same no one would make a difference.
    English language sites are a waste of time.
    Check out the hebrew or Arab,or malay or indon language sites.get a good translator and learn the language of the nasty end of the stick.eye opening my friend.do not get sucked into the small pic.
    there is nothing to see

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  350. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    [Upon return to check upon how embattled-Talha is doing]

    Upon return from where? That late evening bus route for children attending night school?

    [I trust even Sam Shama and iffen will have enough common sense …]

    What happened to my title?

    P.S. Are you going to organise a mass meeting at the Scranton Dunkin Donuts , protesting Amazon, which is seriously mulling over a ban on Holocaust-denying material?

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @iffen
  351. Sam Shama says:
    @geokat62

    [If it is stability they want, why is Michael Ledeen and all the other neocons/Israel-firsters plumping the US to destabilize the region by regime changing all those countries deemed hostile to the Zionist project? Why are they on record as saying “faster, please”?]

    Didn’t your question contain the answer? That is:

    Had I agreed with your premise, I’d have pointed out that a country looking for stability would, on the contrary, do precisely that which you wrote as inconducive to its primary goal, i.e. she would look to change the regimes of those neighbours deemed hostile to her central objective of stability.

    But of course since I don’t agree with your premise, I conclude that Israel did not do any of the things you are asserting. [cue: M&W]

    🙂

    • Replies: @geokat62
  352. joe webb says:
    @Talha

    what a compleat fool and anyone who engages her/it is a worse fool. “The
    inception of Israel.”

    Jeez…try the Truth: The Conquest of Palestine. The conquest of Arab land by an imperial and land grabbing and genocidal maniac…namely The Jews.

    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @Talha
  353. joe webb says:

    Unz Review usurped by peace-loving muzzies and jews who never shut up, never except when they are threatened. Then it is boo-hoo, the Bad Man, the Goy, the nazi made me upset.

    Jews live to be upset. As someone suggested many years ago, the best thing to get the jews is to leave them alone for awhile and then let them commence to kill one-another off. sounds good to me. Saves money and millions of Arab lives.

    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @mcohen
  354. Sam Shama says:
    @mcohen

    I do read the Hebrew sites [not as much as I used to] but will check out the malay and indonesian sites. Will need translation though. thx

  355. anon • Disclaimer says:

    If I were a Jew living in any western country, I would be terrified of Muslim immigration.

    Instead most Jews and all organized Jewish groups loudly support it.

  356. MEexpert says:
    @iffen

    I have been pointing out to all these Jew-haters who insist that Israel is intent upon destroying all of the ME states, that Israel benefits from stability in the region. Israel is much better off with countries like Jordan, Egypt and SA than with a bunch of Hezbollahs running around.

    On the contrary, if Israel makes peace with the Arab neighbors and the Middle East is calm, Israel will not be able to milk the American cow for the billions of dollars each year that it does today.

    I don’t want to give a detailed list of the times or many chances Israel had to make peace but refused. Here are few:

    Israel did not need to invade its neighbors to grab land towards achieving its goal of greater Israel. It could have agreed to the United Nations resolution to return to pre-1967 borders and settle the dispute once and for all. Israel has had several chances to implement this resolution.

    The Arab plan proposed by Saudi Arabia, that all Arab countries agreed to but Israel refused.

    There have been several other resolutions in the UN that the US vetoed at the behest of Israel.

    Does the ever increasing settlement building show that Israel wants peace?

    Is blockade of Gaza and preventing any humanitarian aid going to it is a peaceful gesture? Or the merciless bombing in 2009 and 2014 a plea for peace.

    Or the attacks on Lebanon in 1982 and 2006 and destroying the infrastructure and killing civilians show quest for peace.

    The paper written by Richard Pearle, Douglas Faith, Paul Wolfowitz and others in 1996 titled, A Clean Break: A strategy for securing new realm prepared for Netanyahu called for removal of Saddam Hussain and containment of Syria by engaging in proxy warfare. You can google it and read the details.

    Constant threats against Iran, sabotaging her nuclear projects, murdering her scientists are I suppose are attempts to make peace by Israel.

    You need to stop drinking Israeli Kool-Aid and face reality that Israel does not want peace, now or ever. It has found a “patsy” for a body guard and will use it to bully the entire world to achieve its goals. No one is stopping Israel if she were to make a sincere attempt to achieve peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @joe webb
  357. geokat62 says:
    @Sam Shama

    Had I agreed with your premise, I’d have pointed out that a country looking for stability would, on the contrary, do precisely that which you wrote as inconducive to its primary goal, i.e. she would look to change the regimes of those neighbours deemed hostile to her central objective of stability.

    Nice try, Sam. But that’s not what iffen was suggesting. He was suggesting that stability now, in the present, is what is in the Zionist project’s best interests. Not tomorrow, after all the instability has removed her enemies.

    But of course since I don’t agree with your premise, I conclude that Israel did not do any of the things you are asserting. [cue: M&W]

    Israel did not do? I like your choice of words, Sam. If things don’t work out for you in the money management business, you’ve got a bright future in the legal profession. No, of course, Israel did not do it. The Israel Lobby did it.

    btw – you must have missed one on my previous posts, Sam. I no longer have to cite the two truth-telling professors who demonstrated that the Lobby plumped for the US to launch wars to remake the ME. Thanks to Philip Weiss, we now know that another truth telling eminent Jewish scholar, Nathan Glazer, did the same thing over 40 years ago. Here’s a snippet from his essay, “American Jews and Israel: the last support”:

    If it is not American material interests, not strategic interests, what then dictates the tie to Israel? Two things, one more tenuous, the other rather concrete…

    Thus, American Jews can raise considerable sums of money for Israel, on the basis of tax exemption for charity, though this money, used to absorb refugees, and for health and welfare services, aids at least in part to permit Israel to use other funds for arms. American Jews unabashedly lobby for pro-Israel measures with Congress, and make it politically uncomfortable to be against Israel and even take an “evenhanded” position. The political figure who does will be subject to much pressure and name-calling, some of it quite unfair. But as I have said, power must be seen in context. The context has been that it is safe for American Jews to do what they do. Political leaders have not resented the pressure much because it has not cost them much to support Israel. There is after all no substantial countervailing power. Insofar as Americans have opinions, they overwhelmingly support Israel.

    btw, Sam. I noticed you didn’t bother making your best case that Iraq posed an imminent threat to the US, not Israel… presumably, you are still working on it?

  358. Seraphim says:
    @MEexpert

    @No Jews in the US

    But who would then tell the Americans what to do, what to think, whom to love and whom to hate?

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  359. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Thanks for the updated link. I’m flattered by the fact that you consider my rambling discursions so serious as to require digestion; unless of course you mean they are so incoherent as to be indigestible without lengthy rumination!

    I’m going to try to defend some of Gabe M’s statements again: at least on Chechnya, I think I get his point; he’s saying that Basayev and Khattab (RIP) are unworthy of support, since they apparently thought Beslan was SOP; as opposed to the more common scenario in other countries where war crimes (rarely on a Beslan-type scale) are committed, then disowned, regretted, or punished, because the overt state ideology rejects them as Basayev’s and Khattab’s did not.

    It’s wedged in with much irrelevance but I think it’s a decent point as far as it goes.

    Sorry for boring you with long anecdotes. The main thing was I had gone rather overboard earlier and wanted to explain a little more clearly; the population thing was just something that got my goat; I think we overemphasize it.

    ‘Night, all.

    • Replies: @Talha
  360. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    I forgot to add that the comment sections on Feser’s posts (referenced in #308), particularly the second, were very interesting, with several Muslims chiming in, which is actually mostly what I had written the last post to say.

    Vale.

  361. ABC says:
    @iffen

    >No one is confused about the Jews being the Semites in anti-Semites.

    >This applies to the Jew-hating anti-Semites and to the anti-anti-Semites.

    >If it confuses you then you should leave it alone.

    The term is not confusing to me, but since it is clearly an inaccurate use of the term (most semites are Arabs, NOT Jews, so using the term “anti-semitic” to refer to “anti-Jewish” or “anti-Israel” is misleading), it would be best avoided unless a strong case can be made for its use.

    But you have not addressed the main issue: What is the reason to use the term “anti-Semitic” instead of terms like “anti-Jewish” or “anti-Israel”?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @iffen
  362. Seraphim says:
    @Talha

    Did Muhammad read other tablets than the ones quoted in the ‘Bible’? How come that he does not quote the standard text if his mission is to confirm the previous prophets (‘I come to confirm the Torah which preceded me’), the more when it is the ‘Arch-Prophet’? Why is his knowledge of these scriptures so often confused? Had Muhammad ever had in his hands the Scriptures of the Jews and of the Christians (which by his time were available in all languages), when he himself recommends ‘to ask those who have been reading the Book from before you, if you were in doubt as to what We have revealed unto you then’? It would certainly avoid him the embarrassment of claiming that Mary was the sister of Moses.

  363. Seraphim says:
    @Talha

    @could people piss publicly on paintings of the Son of Mary (pbuh) in a Muslim-majority country – then no

    But Muslims could smash crosses in Christian-majority countries (where they can also slit the throats of priests). But Christians must show ‘tolerance’ and turn the eye.

    • Replies: @Talha
  364. Seraphim says:
    @attilathehen

    Because they were obviously not living peacefully.

  365. Seraphim says:
    @attilathehen

    No, Islam is not a ‘Christian heresy’. The proper meaning of ‘heresy’ is ‘school’. A school created by a teacher, his following. Christian heresies must come from inside Christianity, which is not the case with Mahomed.

    This is what Saint John of Damascus wrote about Islam only few decades after its apperance:

    “There is also the superstition of the Ishmaelites which to this day prevails and keeps people in error, being a forerunner of the Antichrist….These used to be idolaters and worshiped the morning star and Aphrodite, whom in their own language they called Khabár, which means great. And so down to the time of Heraclius they were very great idolaters. From that time to the present a false prophet named Mohammed has appeared in their midst. This man, after having chanced upon the Old and New Testaments and likewise, it seems, having conversed with an Arian monk, devised his own heresy. Then, having insinuated himself into the good graces of the people by a show of seeming piety, he gave out that a certain book had been sent down to him from heaven. He had set down some ridiculous compositions in this book of his and he gave it to them as an object of veneration”.
    “This book” belongs to the literary genre of ‘fiction’, whose author is Mohamed.

    In reality the proper name of the ‘superstition of the Ishmaelites’ is Mohamedanism, because it represents the following of Mohamed. As ‘Christians’ mean the followers of Christ.

  366. mcohen says:
    @joe webb

    hey joe where you going with that פלאפל in your hand.jimi loves you baby.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  367. mcohen says:

    Water from the Rock
    …5Then the LORD said to Moses, “Pass before the people and take with you some of the elders of Israel; and take in your hand your staff with which you struck the Nile, and go. 6″Behold, I will stand before you there on the rock at Horeb; and you shall strike the rock, and water will come out of it, that the people may drink.” And Moses did so in the sight of the elders of Israel. 7He named the place Massah and Meribah because of the quarrel of the sons of Israel, and because they tested the LORD, saying, “Is the LORD among us, or not?”…

    let the tribes come up from africa and gather in ethiopia by the nile so they may cross the sea into yemen and defend the yemeni from there attackers.let them inherit the land to the north to the south to the east to the west.

  368. @Sam Shama

    Sam,

    A question. Why doesn’t the Holocaust museum feature information about the “Transfer Agreement”? Please reply?

    I must now go do a.m. school bus student pick ups! F.Y.I., The “Transfer Agreement” is Scranton Dunkin’ Donuts Radicals’ topic of the day.

    P.S.: In late-1960’s I followed pop music and there was a band called “Sam The Sham & The Pharaohs.”

  369. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    Yeeah! Wooly Bully! Watch it now! He’ll get you! Here it comes! Here it comes!

  370. Sam Shama says:
    @ABC

    Iffen is spot on in his measure of the issue which you are attempting to drown in useless semantics.

  371. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    First they came for the rednecks, and they didn’t get any further.

  372. iffen says:
    @ABC

    but since it is clearly an inaccurate use of the term

    It is not an inaccurate use of the term. It doesn’t mean what it once meant. The meanings of words change, e.g., tory, and thousands of other words in the Kang’s Anglish.

    The only people with their panties in a wad over its use are imbeciles or 88s, but I repeat myself.

  373. iffen says:
    @MEexpert

    Israel will not be able to milk the American cow for the billions of dollars each year that it does today.

    Any effort to cut foreign aid to Israel is stillborn.

    One of the main reasons being that any political objection voiced to that aid is trampled by a salivating horde of 88s, and, I suspect, Israeli and Jewish poseurs.

  374. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    [A question. Why doesn’t the Holocaust museum feature information about the “Transfer Agreement”? Please reply?]

    You know S2C, you’d have benefited well had you heeded my suggestion of more than a year and visited the Yad Vashem.

    But you chose instead to take yet another useless trip to Iran, remaining willfully blind to the truth, as evident in this, your most recent attempt to besmirch the gravity and authority of the Yad Vashem as a research organisation.

    It does keep a most extensive documentation on the Ha’avara movement.

    http://www.yadvashem.org/odot_pdf/Microsoft%20Word%20-%203231.pdf

    Any apologies coming? I expect to hear crickets chirping.

    [P.S.: In late-1960′s I followed pop music and there was a band called “Sam The Sham & The Pharaohs.”]

    I don’t much listen to late-1960’s music except The Beatles [sporadically]. A ballad for every occasion, “Day after day/ Alone on a hill, the man with the foolish grin is keeping perfectly still..” is the one I’d pick for you.

  375. iffen says:
    @Talha

    My wife is White and a Muslim; is she part of the Muslim problem or the ‘We’ who ‘can’t afford’?

    Nordic Princesses and their offspring have contributed to Western Civilization. I don’t see any reason that could not continue. I think that they would have a better chance of continuing that contribution if they were secularists or adherents of a Judeo-Christian denomination.

    We may need to wait and see how many of the current rioters in Sweden are Nordic Princess offspring before making a final decision.

  376. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Since we are briefly off the topic, maybe Sam Shamma, who seems to be knowledgeable about all things Jewish, can shed some light on the significance of the attached images of Zionist NAZI coins.

    Is the existence of these coins forbidden history.

    Keith

    https://www.google.com/search?q=jewish+Nazi+coin+image&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#imgrc=BA2UhfgfNsdfUM:

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  377. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Since we are briefly off the topic, maybe Sam Shamma, who seems to be knowledgeable about all things Jewish, can shed some light on the significance of the attached images of Zionist NAZI coins.

    Is the existence of these coins forbidden history.

    Keith

    https://www.google.com/search?q=jewish+Nazi+coin+image&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari#imgrc=BA2UhfgfNsdfUM:

  378. @Anonymous

    Anonymous/Keith,

    As you know, the world suffers (to this date) by an immensely falsified history of WW I and II.
    One like Sam Shama suffers even more so because he sells it.

    Did you read his reply to my reasonable question (# 376) about the “Transfer Agreement”? Evasively, he advised me to look into “the gravity and authority of Yad Vashem as a research organization.” (I feel sorry for Sam because even a freshman Hasbara disciple might have felt obligated to handle the “Transfer Agreement” within the scope of a paragraph)

    Indeed, Keith — I will look at http://www.yadvashem.org as soon as I am finished reading P. Zelikow’s authoritative 9-11 Commission Report! Maybe Yad Vashem research faculty “sheds some light upon the significance of the (attached) images of Zionist-Nazi coins?”

    Going forward on this comment thread, I will keel over if Sam Shama succinctly replies & does not ignore your excellent question, “Is the existence of these coins forbidden history?”

    post scriptum: I don’t want to be savage, but think Sam Shama is dipping into Martini breakfasts. (sigh) He thinks I am “S2c” (SolontoCroesus) and asserts that I have visited Iran. Lucky for him that SolontoCroesus (S2C) has wisely passed on making comments to Mercer’s article.

  379. Talha says:
    @Seraphim

    Hey Seraphim,

    Did Muhammad read

    He couldn’t read.

    Why is his knowledge of these scriptures so often confused?

    The premise in the question is the assumption that we Muslims agree that what you have in your hands is the correct version of events and exact preservation of revelation. We don’t; we believe there are mistakes in what you have and interpolations.

    Thus, when you see contradictions, you see confusions in the Qur’an – we see corrections.*

    ask those who have been reading the Book from before you

    You say this refers to specifics, we say this refers to generalities; was there a prophet named Moses (pbuh), did he lead Bani Israel out of slavery, was there a prophet name Abraham (pbuh), was there a flood, etc.?

    claiming that Mary was the sister of Moses

    The Christians of Najran asked the Prophet (pbuh) this very question. This is an ascription of honor, by associating someone with an honorific title to a pious ancestor. Nobody in the history of Islam was confused by this. Anyone who takes it literally should tell us why a bunch of Catholic nuns go around calling themselves ‘Sisters of Christ’. Also, anyone who takes everything literally will have great fun with the Qur’an since it says things like ‘the camel of God’ or ‘ask the town’ – har, har ask the town, can you believe it??!! Towns don’t talk – silly Muslims, silly guys!

    But Muslims could smash crosses in Christian-majority countries (where they can also slit the throats of priests).

    Have you read about the civil war of Algeria, where the extremists were doing this sort of thing to fellow Muslims? Have you read about what Boko Haram is doing to the mausoleums of our awliya? Daesh and their ilk are going around chopping up and burning fellow Muslims and bombing their mosques and funeral processions. Do you actually expect these guys to handle Christians with kid gloves? Really? By what logic?

    But Christians must show ‘tolerance’ and turn the eye.

    I mean, I guess they don’t – why don’t you start publicly proclaiming in Christian countries we need to stop this turning the other cheek stuff and stop blustering on the internet; for every church they burn down we burn down a mosque, every woman they rape, we rape a Muslim woman, every monk they decapitate, we do the same to an imam – that’ll show ’em you Christians are serious Christians!

    Like you mean business like these guys – they don’t pussy-foot around:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord’s_Resistance_Army

    Am I right or am I right?

    Peace.

    *This is the reason why arguing theology is often really, really stupid and fruitless.

    Note: You are seriously skirting with being put on my “Don’t waste my time” list. If you want to seriously dissect Islam, spend some time. Go learn Arabic, then get some solid tafsirs like Qurtubi, Baydawi, Jalalayn, etc. and pick up Imam Wahidi’s book on Asbab un-Nuzul (Reasons/Context for Revelation) – then come with some game instead of copy pasting polemic arguments that haven’t worked from the 19th century.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @MEexpert
    , @Seraphim
  380. Talha says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Chuck,

    Your prayers are requested! Some of my interlocutors on UNZ seem to be sincere and genuine (I like to be challenged and engaged by them), others are here…well because possibly someone lost the keys to their cage.

    Usually the way they conduct themselves and their comments themselves are dead give aways.

    Peace.

  381. Talha says:
    @Anon

    My (Sinhalese?) Friend,

    I’m going to try to defend some of Gabe M’s statements

    Don’t waste your time.

    are unworthy of support

    They are unworthy and so is everybody else who throws out the sacred law when conducting war. Read my comment #100. Extremists do not deserve our support.

    the more common scenario in other countries where war crimes (rarely on a Beslan-type scale) are committed, then disowned, regretted, or punished, because the overt state ideology rejects them

    This is not true; plenty of war criminals go on to become prime ministers, heads of state or are promoted to higher ranks in the military. A cursory look at the 20th century shows that war criminals are rarely prosecuted and when they are, it’s because they were on the losing side. This sucks, but this is the reality. There are plenty of examples, from Russia, to South America, to Europe, and the US and on and on. One simple glaring example is that of Gen. Curtis LeMay, the architect of the fire bombing campaign over Japanese cities (a method that would have impressed the mongol hordes in its sheer and utter ruthlessness). He was quoted as saying:
    “‘Killing Japanese didn’t bother me very much at that time,’ LeMay admitted later. ‘I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.’”
    https://warisboring.com/god-no-the-u-s-air-force-doesn-t-need-another-curtis-lemay-37de19c11652#.t288h7lqu

    He eventually went on to become Chief of Staff of the Air Force and even ran as Vice President. McNamara admitted in this inteview that he conducted himself as a war criminal:

    Most nations honor their war criminals.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Anon
  382. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    But Muslims could smash crosses in Christian-majority countries (where they can also slit the throats of priests).

    Have you read about the civil war of Algeria, where the extremists were doing this sort of thing to fellow Muslims? Have you read about what Boko Haram is doing to the mausoleums of our awliya? Daesh and their ilk are going around chopping up and burning fellow Muslims and bombing their mosques and funeral processions. Do you actually expect these guys to handle Christians with kid gloves? Really? By what logic?

    To be fair, Saladin is not reported to have treated the large portion of the True Cross he captured with much respect. To be fair to him, he had provocation in the massacre at Acre. To be fair to Richard, he had provocation in Saladin’s dithering while awaiting reinforcements- the precise thing for which Saladin had had the lord of Beaufort (iirc) executed earlier.

    • Replies: @Anon
  383. Talha says:
    @joe webb

    Hey JW,

    anyone who engages her/it is a worse fool

    Don’t look now bro, but you just called yourself the worse fool by engaging me.

    Logic – don’t leave home without it.

    Peace.

  384. joe webb says:
    @MEexpert

    “I have been pointing out to all these Jew-haters who insist that Israel is intent upon destroying all of the ME states, that Israel benefits from stability in the region. Israel is much better off with countries like Jordan, Egypt and SA than with a bunch of Hezbollahs running around.”

    Jews do not necessarily want to destroy the countries of the ME, their game plan per neocons is to destabilize to the point of, not necessarily mayhem, which muzzies are good at, but to make the ME safe for Jews.

    Reminds me of the Pax Romana, which I guess I cannot criticize too much since it was my folks doing what they do very well. Of course, they made citizens of the conquered and offered them not only peace, but careers. Again, of course, this weakened Rome from the standpoint of genes, etc.

    Jews do not make citizens of its conquered, they kill them. yeah, yeah, the one and one half Palestinians, etc in Israel. This only exists because of world public opinion…they would have been run out or killed years ago if…

    Saudi Arabia is a theocracy which, you know, permits a lot of weirdness especially with regard to women and homosexuals, etc. Jordan is a kind monarchy that has sold out to the US, and Egypt is groveling for money, especially US money. Sold out cuz of hopelessness and its IQ of 81 (LYNN)

    • Replies: @joe webb
  385. MEexpert says:
    @Talha

    He couldn’t read.

    Sorry to contradict you but of course he could read and write. As you know Arabic words sometimes have different meanings. People translate “Ummi” as illiterate. Qur’an says about the prophet

    who recites unto them HIS Signs, and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and Wisdom

    Could a person who cannot read or write do all that?

    Makkah was known as “Umm-ul-Qura” or mother of cities. People of Makkah were known as “Ummis.” That is why Qur’an says that

    “HE it is Who has raised among the “Ummies” a Messenger from among themselves who recites unto them HIS Signs, and purifies them, and teaches them the Book and Wisdom though before that they were in manifest error; (Surah al-jumu’ah 62:3)”

    Further proof that he could read and write is the fact that before he announced his ministry he used to go with trade caravans and do trade for the people of Makkah and surrounding communities. Why would people trust with their goods a person who cannot read or write.

    He was endowed with the divine knowledge just like Christ when he was born and he said to his people that he is a prophet and has come with a book.

    • Replies: @Talha
  386. joe webb says:
    @joe webb

    I lost, then found it again, and ran out of time. So more…

    So, as even the left zionist jewyorktimes sees, the conquest of West Bank will assure endless war with the Arabs. So what? So…that is endless war on whites from muzzie terrorists on US and European soil. Jewyorktimes takes the line of Take our Time to get Euphrates to the Nile. What’s the rush?

    The Jews thrive on being hated. It makes their day. From a biological point of view this is Good for the Jews in the sense of reinforcing their social solidarity. This has been a continual theme here in the US, like right now, whining about anti-semitic incidents. Never would a jew admit or even consider the anti-goyemism of Jews. Never.

    If it was not for anti-semitism, Jews would not know they exist.

    A few years ago a rabbi said, in the US I think, that hate was good for the jews, their own hate.

    The Judeo-Christian Ethic is the Lie of lies, not that it isn’t real in terms of everyday realities of, Protestants especially, Christian life in the US. Nothing like real big lies that cover a lot of ground, and contain mental dissonance, to keep Christians and others, Believing that Jews are Good for you.

    The simple secular fact is that Jews are not Good for Whites inasmuch as they bring nothing but War. If Israel did not exist, none of the current problems of endless war in the ME and the now, per the news, another 6 plus million “refugees” assembling for their next big March on Europe this summer, would be happening.

    Jews are not Good for Arabs, Muzzies, and Persians, etc. The missionaries that got to the ME by 1820, and subsequently turned to building schools and hospitals and morphed into the Arabists who ran the State Dept until the jews took it over (Kissinger), were loved by the Arabs that they were around. And the missionaries loved them….there was no US realpolitik with them.

    The Arabists , purged by the jews from State, etc. simply faded away, hating the jews of course, almost to a man and woman…even April Gilaspie, who was probably double-crossed in Iraq, was as Arabist, per Kaplan in his The Arabists.
    ———-
    One of the interesting sidebars in all of this is: Farsi is an Indo-European language while Hebrew and Arabic are not. My genetic tilt wonders about all this. Of course Iran must be hated, like Russia and any other folks whom the jews hate. We fucked up with The Shah, etc and then the jews had their holy wars, and now jews want to nuke russia and Iran.

    Do Jews, in their Darwinian drives, go too far? My race realism lets people live in peace, or at least free from imperialist actions, in their own country of course. But jews do not let anybody live their own lives anywhere. They must Salute the Jews, the Chosen, the Deciders. Or Else.

    Joe Webb

  387. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    Not Sinhalese; my ancestors were mostly Tamil-speaking, as most of the Christians and Muslims in Colombo used to be, though it’s hard to trace our descent exactly. The Arabian Sea is a very cosmopolitan place; we have, for instance, Portuguese-speaking Goanese relatives in Karachi.

    You’re right of course about “strategic” aka terror bombing, and that war crimes trials are mostly “victors’ justice”. The only claim I can imagine in defense of terror bombing is that in modern warfare an enemy’s country can be considered a city under siege: a weak claim and one not made as far as I know in most cases.

    Wikipedia discusses the issue here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_bombardment_and_international_law .

    Nevertheless the Allies (well, the U.S. anyway) executed soldiers for murder and rape and most countries continue to do so. The moral distinction is not all that clear, not as clear as we Americans would like anyway, but I’m guessing GM, from what I know of his nationality and sympathies, believes strongly in it.

    I agree that LeMay, in a just world, would have been shot. As for a VP ticket, well, the man ran with George Wallace, for crying out loud! Still, it’s a shame.

  388. Gabriel M says:
    @Talha

    You know it would be super easy for Israelis to foil this cynical set-up: stop building illegal settlements.

    You are just rambling now and lying, as always. You know perfectly well that since you regard the entirety of Israel as an illegal settlement, you are basically saying “stop having a country and we’ll stop bursting into synagogues and hacking people to death/gouging out their eyes.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Jerusalem_synagogue_attack

    To re-iterate what I found offensive is the following statement.

    Doh – I guess we’ll have to deal with more illegal settlements now that y’all need to go to Israel for your safe spaces, eh?

    Apparently you think it’s a big joke that Jews in France get attacked with hacksaws, shot up in supermarkets and tortured to death, but because you say “Peace” at the end we’re supposed to smile sweetly back.

    It may or may not surprise you to know that I enjoy regular friendly interactions with Muslims. The nurses at my health clinic are Muslims, the nurse at our local Mother and Baby clinic are Muslims; the doctor who stitched up my son’s tongue was a Muslim. It would never occur to me to insult their faith. It’s not their fault they were born into a religion founded by the most obvious false prophet in human history. If Mohammad was around today they would be appalled by him as much as anyone else. Of course about 10% of their co-coreligionists are incapable of any kind of civilized existence, but that’s not they’re fault either.

    What I object to is “moderate” Muslims like you. I remember your sort very well from England: minds littered with paranoia and conspiracy theories; endless excuse making; perverted moral compasses that go onto red alert when a Jew builds a loft conversion in the “wrong”place, but barely blip when Muslims slaughter Kaffirs or Muslims in the most hideous manner imaginable all around the world; protestations of peacefulness mixed in with justifications for the foulest of crimes. You know enough to know better; you choose the path of unrighteousness because you like it. To borrow from your book, you are the worst of peoples.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anon
  389. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    Which, I just realized, is a pointless argument. What does it go to show? That nobody’s a saint (except the saints, obviously)? Saladin left a great many other things quite untouched, which still exist to this day.

    The original claim was that blasphemy laws would be permissible under Islam, as indeed they are, and as they are under most any form of government, including (tacitly) that of the US until recently, where such acts as that originally discussed would probably come under obscenity.

  390. Talha says:
    @MEexpert

    Hey MEexpert,

    You make a good point; I was recounting the majority view among the Sunni scholars (and the one that I espouse) that holds the view that he was illiterate, a minority certainly defended your position (and pretty well, may I say – the Maliki scholar Imam al-Baji [ra] actually had to defend himself in court). From what I recall, even they say that his literacy was divinely inspired from the time of revelation. Difference of opinion – what a mercy, eh?

    Peace.

  391. Talha says:
    @Gabriel M

    Hey Gabriel,

    You are just rambling now and lying, as always.

    Really, am I supposed to say; “I know you are, but what am I?”

    You know perfectly well that since you regard the entirety of Israel as an illegal settlement, you are basically saying “stop having a country and we’ll stop bursting into synagogues and hacking people to death/gouging out their eyes.

    You should brush up on logic.

    Your statement is the equivalent of:
    “Because I believe you stole my car, I must automatically believe someone can burn your grandmother.”

    That’s not how it works. I can believe Israel is an illegal settlement and I can believe that Muslims have no right to attack civilians or break with international treaties of which they are signatories. You are basically saying; if I don’t recognize the right of Israel to exist, I must necessarily support extremist and immoral acts. I don’t play your game.

    Apparently you think it’s a big joke that Jews in France get attacked with hacksaws, shot up in supermarkets and tortured to death

    I already told you, no I don’t. I’m not about to grovel for you to believe me.

    Do you think what Baruch Goldstein did was a joke? Should I judge all “moderate” Jews by that?

    most obvious false prophet in human history

    Bani Ismael and their growing confederates disagree – apparently not that obvious. Again, who the hell are you again?

    “moderate” Muslims like you

    I’m a Muslim, period. Your labeling of ‘moderate’ assumes that normative Islam is violent and radical by default. I don’t play that game either.

    You know enough to know better; you choose the path of unrighteousness because you like it.

    I’ll let others judge which one of us is guilty of justifying the foulest crimes. Just because you type it, doesn’t make it true.

    Put up the pile of bodies of Israelis that Muslims have killed side by side with the pile of Muslim bodies killed by Israelis.

    DWMT.

    Peace.

  392. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Gabriel M

    It sounds like someone is trying to get a permit to convert a loft … 🙂

  393. joe webb says:

    to get back on point about the jews and their contributions to the West. Today’s jewyorktimes and Brooks, the mischling (is that correct? of course choosing the better half)

    –>
    To: Joe Webb
    Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2017 12:19 PM
    Subject: Fw: NYTimes.com: The Enlightenment Project ( not too enlightening )

    “Hill didn’t say it, but I’d add that anti-Enlightenment thinking is also back in the form of Donald Trump, racial separatists and the world’s other populist ethnic nationalist movements.
    Today’s anti-Enlightenment movements don’t think truth is to be found through skeptical inquiry and debate. They think wisdom and virtue are found in the instincts of the plain people, deep in the mystical core of the nation’s or race’s group consciousness.”
    Then try this one: “Enlightenment figures perpetually tell themselves that religion is dead (it isn’t) and that race is dead (it isn’t)…”

    The 18th C. Enlightenment figures did not claim that race was dead. For example, it was during the said Enlightenment that coined the term “oriental despotism” to cover what they had been enlightened about from travelers to the Orient , etc. Karl Marx, along with other Enlightenment figures, used the term niggers.

    More importantly, the race most remarkably Absent, not even AWOL, from Enlightenment thinking was, you guessed it, the Jews. And, Voltaire had some obsevations about Jews that are, uh, not fit to print. The only jew of which I am aware that can be considered a candidate, was Spinoza, and from an earlier time anyway. Jews have always written very little about themselves or others…so insular have they been. Others don’t exist for Jews, they are only cattle to be bled and butchered. Jehovah said so.

    But Napoleon jerked them out of the ghetto…one of the first disasters of Enlightenment folly.

    Most importantly , the Brooks jew boy does not (as in Jew lies ) mention the large contribution of the Counter-Enlightenment figures, from Burke in England to many more in Germany and France. It was the French Revolution that proved the lunacy of the one-dimensionality of Enlightenment thought. And Voltaire, while first of all a whistle -blower on many negative aspects of the Old Regime and The Church, also is best know for his more or less anti-Enlightenment satire, Candide. He subtitled it, or something: The Optimist.

    So, it is not as if all us Whtie folks were so dumb as to be oblivious to the Blood and Soil biology of homo sapiens. Arguably, the True Self is emerging yet again, much to the dismay of the globalizers, Equality Zombies, and Free Thinkers, and jewish hi-jackers of The Enlightenment generosity…like…yeah, they open up Israel to the wretched of the earth…total opportunism on their part to use the Enlightenment against us…and now that Blood and Soil is back….the jews are crying foul…Hey …only jews get to…. Blood and Soil!

    The other remarkable factor here is that race-realism is actually completely within the compass of Rationality and Enlightenment. Science shows the inequality of races in both intelligence and emotional constitution, temperament. Rationality, not mysticism, points the way to Separation of races, and, for that matter, any folks who do not get along within a particular race. Call it divorce if you like.

    It is true that Racialism has had a utopian/mystical character to a limited degree, but that was before science and biology remedied the matter. No need to get all spiritual and mythological….plain old common sense, rationality, and a certain amount of patience….points the way to Separation of the races.

    Another 6 million Refugees are massing in Asia Minor, etc. to begin the next crusade Against Whites and For Free Money. Get out your thinking caps…and your guns.
    The rationality of self-defense is enlightened. Why? because it saves your kids and your civilization. Any questions?
    Joe Webb

    Sent by [email protected]:

    OP-ED COLUMNIST
    The Enlightenment Project
    BY DAVID BROOKS

    When anti-Enlightenment movements arose in the past, Enlightenment heroes rose to combat them.
    Or, copy and paste this URL into your browser: https://nyti.ms/2m1nrvo
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  394. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    And Caesar’s backside – who own’s that? Look, we love the Son of Mary (pbuh) but you’re not going to get anywhere quoting him as a backing and expecting me to agree. We believe the details of his message are abrogated. The Companions (ra) themselves rolled up Caesar and his armies out of the Holy Land. As far as obeying the laws of the land, sure – that is the agreement we have to abide by; we have to live by the rules of the non-Muslim country we reside in. If we don’t like it, we should leave.

    In our country we are supposed to be Caesar.

    ‘We’ as in White people or citizens?

    Does anyone besides you, the Islamic scholars that you cite and the King of Morocco follow your brand of Islam?

    Actually, I’d say the majority of Muslims around the world are pretty mellow and good-hearted people. You don’t have to take my word for it, non-Muslims travel through the Muslim world all the time; go there yourself or ask someone who has been there.

    My wife’s best friend from high school is Jewish. She told us that when she traveled to Israel, she also visited Jordan (likely because she is a US citizen). She told us she thought the Jordanians (at least the ones she came across) were friendlier and more down to earth than the Israelis she met.

    A already cited that Sh. Muhammad Yaqoubi (ra) stated that the current Syrian personal law code was in line with the Shariah. Here is a report on religious minorities in th legal framework of Jordan; they have freedom of worship, their own civil courts for personal matters, reserved seats in Parliament, etc.
    http://www.refworld.org/docid/55dee4d74.html

    We have a major, major problem with ignorance and extremism – there is no doubt about that, we are paying that price in blood more than anyone else. But much of this happens in unstable countries; Pakistan, Egypt, Libya, Iraq, etc. There are problems once in a while in fairly stable countries like Indonesia and such, but they are dealt with. However you can see the contrasts, say in the reactions to the executions of the Bali nightclub bombers:
    “Amidhan, head of the Indonesian Ulema Council, Indonesia’s top Muslim clerical body, said ‘I am deeply concerned and strongly condemn the uncivilized act,’ adding that the council ‘does not tolerate such violence against innocent people.’”
    http://www.americamagazine.org/issue/703/signs/religious-leaders-condemn-indonesian-bombings

    “By first light, mobs of supporters had descended on the men’s home towns for their funerals, chanting jihadist slogans, clashing with police and threatening foreign journalists….Maaruf Amin, deputy chairman of the Indonesian Ulemas Council, the chief body for Islamic clerics in Indonesia said: ‘They did not die a holy death. That can only be in a war and Indonesia is not at war.’”
    http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/torrent-of-rage-as-indonesia-on-high-alert/2008/11/09/1226165386706.html?page=fullpage#contentSwap3

    The problem is not that most Muslims follow what the ulama have been teaching for centuries, but rather how extremism is spreading and what we can do to contain it. If we cannot, then for sure we are going to be completely swallowed up by it. The ulema are our teachers and our guardians and they are the inheritors of the prophets – if too many of us refuse to heed their warnings and guidance then, honestly, we deserve everything we have coming to us.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  395. @Art

    Not conspiracy, it’s that jewish genius at work, — or a distant memory bubbling up —

    Some time ago Geokat62, RobinG, S2C invited Sam — and others — to join a group protesting Israeli dominance in US foreign policy.
    iirc at one point Sam floated the notion of contributing something to the group’s effort, either by activism among his Jewish groups/synagogue or monetarily, or both. None of those things happened but Sam, and all, remain welcome to participate in liberating USA from baleful influence of I Lobby.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  396. iffen says:
    @Talha

    you’re not going to get anywhere quoting him as a backing and expecting me to agree.

    Please, give me a little credit. I was just quoting that to show you that a very early date Christians were on their way separating the spiritual from the temporal.

    We’ as in White people or citizens?

    We as citizens.

    I told you that I’m not a secret JW. If I was I would just tell you.
    Well, actually JW is correct about HBD, but nothing else.

    The problem is not that most Muslims follow what the ulama have been teaching for centuries, but rather how extremism is spreading and what we can do to contain it.

    Yes, and I don’t see why we, the citizens of the US, should have to get completely immersed.

    Yes, I know we have made a lot of mistakes and help to create the instability.

    One last item.

    The Catholics tried the strict control and having the sacred writing only available to the elect. It didn’t work in the long run for them and it won’t work for you.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Talha
  397. lavoisier says: • Website
    @attilathehen

    Philosophy. And science. And reason.

    The enemies of faith. Forever and always.

    • Replies: @Anon
  398. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    I only have a minute, but

    your ass belongs to Caesar

    Is that a “gay marriage” joke?

    The Catholics tried the strict control … It didn’t work in the long run for them and it won’t work for you.

    Jury’s still out on that.

    and having the sacred writing only available to the elect.

    Uh, no.

    Bible translations in the Middle Ages were rare because, if you could read, chances were you could read Latin. Wycliffe’s book was problematic not because it was a translation, but because it was heretical. The Douai-Rheims Bible actually precedes the KJV, by the way.

    • Replies: @iffen
  399. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @lavoisier

    Dear sir,

    Perhaps you should follow these oracles a bit farther; mayhap they will guide you as they did Louis Pasteur:

    Pasteur’s faith was as genuine as his science. In his panegyric of Littré, whose fauteuil he took, he said: “Happy the man who bears within him a divinity, an ideal of beauty and obeys it; an ideal of art, an ideal of science, an ideal of country, an ideal of the virtues of the Gospel”. These words are graven above his tomb in the Institut Pasteur. In his address Pasteur said further “These are the living springs of great thoughts and great, actions. Everything grows clear in the reflections from the Infinite”. Some of his letters to his children breathe profound simple piety. He declared “The more I know, the more nearly is my faith that of the Breton peasant. Could I but know all I would have the faith of a Breton peasant woman.” What he could not above all understand is the failure of scientists to recognize the demonstration of the existence of the Creator that there is in the world around us. He died with his rosary in his hand, after listening to the Life of St. Vincent de Paul which he had asked to have read to him, because he thought that his work like that of St. Vincent would do much to save suffering children.

  400. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    Christians were on their way separating the spiritual from the temporal.

    Sure, they were kicked around by the Empire and had their writings and churches burnt. Then they became the Empire, with popes commanding armies, governments persecuting heresies and what not. Now they have gone back to a separation (at least in the West). Is that the last say? I don’t know.

    We as citizens.

    OK – thanks for the clarification – I didn’t mean to imply anything, just wasn’t clear. If it’s ‘we the citizens’, then ‘we’ have made plenty of changes and amendments to the Constitution in the past to reflect our changing values – is this incorrect? I don’t see a contradiction where others do. The issue/problem reverts back to demographics.

    I don’t see why we, the citizens of the US, should have to get completely immersed.

    Neither do I – I can totally understand why non-Muslim countries would want no more Muslims until we get this under control.

    Yes, I know we have made a lot of mistakes and help to create the instability.

    Yeah – not helping. I’d like a complete and utter disengagement – period.

    The Catholics tried the strict control and having the sacred writing only available to the elect.

    Not the same. There is no ‘elect’ – the Maliki ulama of Morocco and Algeria are completely independent of the Hanafi ulama of Iraq and Pakistan from the Shafi’i ulama of Indonesia and Malaysia, etc. The reason we haven’t had a massive reformation revolt all these years is because the tradition is far more open to divergent interpretation and completely open about our tradition. Thousands used to attend gatherings of knowledge of hadith from the very beginning – nobody was hiding the hadith books, anybody had access to them. A friend of mine attended the gathering of the late Shaykh Ramadan Bouti (ra) in Damascus – totally open to everyone, hundreds attend.

    The gate keeping should be done best by pointing out to the people the bloody results of the attempt at reformation – it has been an utter failure. This has been recognized even by mainstream scholars of Salafi-Wahhabi thought (very difficult to get higher than Shaykh Albani [ra]):
    “The Salafi Da’wah in Dissarray”
    https://shaikhalbaani.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/the-salafi-dawah-in-disarray.pdf

    “In Chapter 2 of Religious Radicalism after the Arab Uprisings, Haim Malka argues that jihadi-salafists are facing a crisis of authority, sparked by the Islamic State’s rebellion against al Qaeda’s leadership. Just as Osama bin Laden’s decision to attack the United States signaled a dramatic shift in jihadi-salafi goals more than a decade ago, the Islamic State’s disregard for al Qaeda’s leadership, rejection of its strategy, and declaration of the caliphate is reshaping the jihadi-salafi landscape today.”
    https://www.csis.org/analysis/jihadi-salafi-rebellion-and-crisis-authority

    Downward spiral of authority…

    Basically we have to ask them; are we ready to say uncle yet guys, or do we need more mosques bombed and our cities turned into Stalingrads before we turn back to the tradition?

    Peace.

  401. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I think the author will serve the humanity better by offering a factually correct and relevant article by titling: “ Zionism , Not Trump, Is the Elephant In the Room, Threatening Muslim Survival”

    It’s the other way around She has got it entirely wrong . The reason may be emotional rather than ignorance.
    The pain of Arabs,the wars, the frictions started only after The Jewish people moved in droves like swarms of locust from Europe from 1917

    Every decade has seen since then torment and tortures of the Arabs at the hand of the Zionist either directly or through proxies or using vassals like London or DC Washington.
    Now a few of those countries have essentially disappeared

    Now they have started targeting Muslims and Arabs within US and continental Europe through creating Hasbara culture and demonization of Islam

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  402. Seraphim says:
    @Talha

    @Am I right or am I right?

    No, you are wrong, totally wrong. The grievous side of it is that you are incapable to see that. You are one of these half-‘erudite’ but over zealous Muslim propagandists and that makes you incapable to see the sophistry. You are wasting our time with your childish regurgitations of the TV (Muslim) preachers ‘corrections’ of our Scriptures (that we can read) and you don’t do yourself (and your fellow Muslims) any service by that. You won’t convince us that you are right by haughtily lecturing us about how wrong we are and condoning what Daesh does and despising us that we don’t respond in kind. But beware what you are whishing for.

    • Replies: @Talha
  403. @SolontoCroesus

    “… but Sam, and all, remain welcome to participate in liberating USA from baleful influence of I Lobby.”

    SolontoCroesus,

    Given your comment # 404, I now assume you are not “S2C.”

    A question. Why do commenters here at The Unz Review refer to your screen name SolontoCroesus as “S2C”?

    I understand and accept my disadvantage of not knowing the actual names of geokat62, RobinG, and in fact, “SolontoCroesus.” But how the hell did I get to be “S2C” in the comment made by Sam Shama?

    In addition, did I interpret your words (above) wrongly? I quote: “but Sam… remain welcome to participate in liberating USA from baleful Lobby influence.” Holy Manhattan shit, SolontoCroesus! By “Sam” you can not mean Sam Shama? Is there another “Sam” with whom I am unacquainted?

    I can not keep a straight face by thinking the Lobby (AIPAC ) actually worries about “enemies” like Sam (Shama).

    Lastly, as you can understand, if anyone wants to learn anything about me, I am very easy to google-find. Simply put, I spent > two (2) decades of my working life (24/7) cleaning up freaking pollution. I’ve cleaned up diesel spills, solvent spills, white powder incidents, leaking drums containing cyanide, dead people, etcetera! At present, & for survival sake, what the U.S. and planet most needs now is AWARENESS and subsequent Zionist decontamination.

    And now, after reading it again, SolontoCroesus, you claim that “Sam” welcomes opportunities to liberate the USA from “baleful Lobby influence”??? W.T.F.? If Sam The Sham is even one (1) part-per-million of a problem for AIPAC goals, I will eat an S2C or whatever the fuck that is.

    Thank you.

    • Replies: @RobinG
  404. iffen says:
    @Anon

    I only have a minute, but

    Me too, I am busier than R. Unz ever thinks about being.

    your ass belongs to Caesar

    Is that a “gay marriage” joke?

    No. Besides that was the Greeks, not the Romans. The Romans carted everything in Greece that they could to Rome, but not all of the cultural stuff. Anyway, the Greeks didn’t do it like the fags we have today, they used the thighs.

    The Catholics tried the strict control … It didn’t work in the long run for them and it won’t work for you.
    Jury’s still out on that.

    Sure, keep telling yourself that.

    and having the sacred writing only available to the elect.
    Uh, no.

    Uh, yes. The unwashed weren’t allowed to touch the word of God with eyes or hands. Just like Talha’s Islam.

    Bible translations in the Middle Ages were rare because,

    Because of the Catholics. The Churches in the East were doing translations into the venaculars in the 2nd and 3rd centuries.

    precedes the KJV, by the way.

    The KJV is the way Jesus spoke. 🙂

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Anon
  405. Talha says:
    @Seraphim

    Hey Seraphim,

    haughtily lecturing us about how wrong we are

    Uh – did you read the tone in which you addressed me – talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

    Have you ever heard the word ‘hypocrisy’ used in a sentence?

    No, you are wrong, totally wrong….haughtily lecturing us about how wrong we are

    Contradiction fail.

    condoning what Daesh does and despising us that we don’t respond in kind

    Have you ever heard the word ‘sarcasm’ used in a sentence?

    Peace.

  406. Talha says:
    @iffen

    Hey iffen,

    Just like Talha’s Islam.

    Nonsense – the ‘unwashed’ can touch it, memorize it and study it and all of our texts – they just shouldn’t be giving fatwas until they have trained to give fatwas under someone who has trained to give fatwas under someone…

    That’s like saying the medical profession has some conspiracy to only let the elect read their books because they don’t let everyone can grab a scalpel and go to town. Anybody can read their books and journals, but we only allow certified ones (by other certified ones) to be able to practice medicine, why? Because it’s frickin’ dangerous!

    Do you really want to open up interpretation of “kill them wherever you find them” to the plumber and his uncle?

    Peace.

  407. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    Uh, yes. The unwashed weren’t allowed to touch the word of God with eyes or hands. Just like Talha’s Islam

    This doesn’t mean anything. Please explain it in such a way that it does.

    Romans carted everything in Greece that they could to Rome, but not all of the cultural stuff

    Your understanding of history has some serious gaps. The Romans thought it degrading for a free man to act the female, not necessarily the other way round.

    See http://rudy.negenborn.net/catullus/text2/e56.htm
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome
    http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Cassius_Dio/62*.html
    (search for Sporus in the last one- and hey, Caesar’s actually involved!)

    The Churches in the East were doing translations into the venaculars in the 2nd and 3rd centuries.

    Um, that was the Catholic Church. 1054, remember? I’m not going to check your dates, but if correct you are not only before any thought of an East-West schism, but before the Nestorian heresy and the subsequent split of the so-called Monophysites. If you mean the Roman Patriarchate, the vulgate Latin and koine Greek were the vernacular.

    The KJV is the way Jesus spoke.

    Only when King James was having nightmares about witches 🙂

    Hey Seraphim,
    want to pitch in with some actual history? 🙂

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  408. RobinG says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Once upon a time (last year) Sam opined, iirc, that the Lobby was not really good for Jews, and he expressed support for our objective, to expose and curtail its influence on US policy. But since returning from his summer sojourn in Israel, he’s changed his tune. IMO, he was brow-beaten back into the fold.

    Solon to Croesus
    Solon the Athenian was renowned for his wisdom. Having set his city to rights with revolutionary new legislation, he set out on a ten year journey, that his constitution might take effect, and that he might find out about the world.

    In his travels Solon came to the court of Croesus, the most wealthy king of ancient Lydia. Received as a guest, he was shown round the palace, with all its treasures and opulence.
    http://www.mshanks.com/2016/10/16/solon-and-croesus-a-myth-about-future-time-and-foresight/

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @Art
  409. Talha says:
    @Anon

    What happened to Avery??!! Maybe he and Rehmat met in an alley – Armenian/Pakistani knife fight!!! They will be missed.

  410. It looks like Mercer got her wish! 400+ posts and counting of Americans taking Muslim v. Jew issues personally, as if those issues have a place on the American stage. Let Jews and Muslims go to the ME and hash their problems out. I don’t care. To hell with both groups!

  411. @RobinG

    RobinG,

    Thanks for providing background on Sam Shama,

    His case reminds of how the the thought of former-Soviet spy Whittaker Chambers had evolved and he became the most notable anti-communist voice of his time, praised by William F. Buckley who helped forward the advance of Zionism in the U.S. government.

    I understand Sam Shama is only in his mid30’s, and as I write today on Ash Wednesday, I suppose he has opportunity to in the words of T.S. Eliot, “Turn, turn, again, I do not want to turn” and get grounded.

    Finally, on the Solon to Croesus information you kindly provided. Thanks but my question was aimed at SolontoCroesus who regularly comments here. Once again, I inquire if he/she is called “S2C” for short by other commenters.

    I must depart for work now… Thank you!

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @geokat62
  412. Talha says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hey Chuck,

    I call him S2C all the time, but I also abbreviate most names that are kind of long to type out.

    Peace – good luck on the route.

  413. geokat62 says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Once again, I inquire if he/she is called “S2C” for short by other commenters.

    Hey, Chuck. The answer is yes.

    S = Solon
    2 = to
    C = Croesus

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  414. iffen says:
    @dfordoom

    Liberal democracy is incompatible with the long-term survival of the West. It was an interesting experiment but it’s failed.

    It’s definitely failing, but I am not ready to throw in the towel yet.

    Not just an interesting experiment, it had damn good run.

  415. @geokat62

    Thanks to both Talha and geokat62 for the clarification on “S2C.”

    Again, to reiterate my earlier point posted on this comment thread, Sam Shama rather weirdly profiled me as “SolontoCroesus” Truth is that I am nowhere even close to S2c’s deep knowledge on the Versailles Treaty, Weimar Republic, rise of Adolf Hitler, WW II, and of course the embryonic & everlasting Zionist distortion of history.

    I could not tell if Sam Shama was either being sarcastic or was simply deep into a Martini breakfast when he profiled me as “SolontoCroesus.”

    Finally, I am eager to make exodus from Ilana Mercer’s third rate article, but I’m holding out to see if Sam Shama makes a reply to Anonymous/Keith’s comment (# 386) where the latter asked (in plain English) the very legitimate question, “Is the existence of Zionist Nazi coins forbidden history?”

    I am definitely looking for a reply from Sam on the Zionist Nazi coins, but I will not “hold my breath.” Indeed, I feel that there’s more of a chance for the release of a Hollywood film on the “Transfer Agreement” before Sam Shama fusses up.

    post scriptum: I am agreement with “OilcanFloyd” comment (41() that this article’s having reached 400 comments is regrettable. But as Zionist Secretary Donald Rumsfeld once asserted, “Shit happens.”

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Talha
  416. iffen says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Truth is that I am nowhere even close to S2c’s deep knowledge on the Versailles Treaty, Weimar Republic, rise of Adolf Hitler, WW II, and of course the embryonic & everlasting Zionist distortion of history.

    Just one more stroke and I think he can get it off.

    Sam was being humorous.

    I told him before that Nazis don’t have a sense of humor, but he ignores me.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  417. MEexpert says:
    @anonymous

    I think the author will serve the humanity better by offering a factually correct and relevant article by titling: “ Zionism , Not Trump, Is the Elephant In the Room, Threatening Muslim Survival”

    I will modify the title a little. My title will be:

    “ Zionism , Not Trump, Is the Elephant In the Room, Threatening the Survival of the US”

    • Replies: @anonymous
  418. Talha says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hey Chuck,

    “Rumsfeld happens.”

    Peace.

  419. “Rumsfeld happens.”

    ha, ha! He’s my favorite Neocon!

    If you find time, Talha, please consider watching the You Tube clip below featuring James Traficant? The main drift of what you endured here was rather painful for me to follow. The words of the late-J.T. will help you feel better and move on to another Unz Review article with strength of both mind & spirit.

    (Note: At # 424, I see “iffen” stepped up to suggest his Comrade Sam Shama was being a “humorous” dingbat Zionist apologist. Ha, ha — this couple are so hilarious as they spend so much valuable time writing comments here which reflect such self-defective prejudices that even the Tel Aviv Lowerarchy can only manage to frown about)

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
    , @Sam Shama
  420. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    Israel, Not Trump, Is the Elephant In the Room, Threatening Jewish Survival

    The Ugly History of Jewish Desecration of Many Christian Sites in the Holy Land

    “As early as December 1955, not long after the institution of the Jewish state of Israel, Father Leonard Feeney, a Boston-based Roman Catholic clergyman, compiled the following list of Christian churches and other institutions that had been attacked or otherwise destroyed by the newly-ensconced Jewish occupation regime in the Holy Land. In assembling this shocking list — which would come as a complete surprise to modern-day Christians who believe that Israel has been a good friend to Christians in the Holy Land — Father Feeney noted that his list did not include the loss in lives and property suffered by the nearly one million Arabs (Christian and Muslim alike) who had been evicted from their ancient homes during the then-seven years since Jews had seized power over Palestine
    . And, needless to say, since Feeney first compiled the list, there have been many more examples of such Jewish attacks. The clergyman’s summary of Jewish destruction of Christian sites follows…. The Jews have defiled and destroyed the following Church buildings: the Church of Saint John the Baptist at Am Karim; the Church of the Beatitudes at Capharnaum; the Church of Mensa Christi on the shores of the Sea of Galilee; the Church of Saint Peter at Tiberias; the Cenacle (the place ofthe Last Supper) at Jerusalem; the Convent of Mary Reparatrix at Jerusalem; the Convent and Hospice of Notre Dame at Jerusalem; the Convent of the Sisters of Saint Ann at Haifa; the Franciscan Convent at Tiberias; the Patriarchal Seminary at Beit-Jala, the Salesian houses at Cremisan; the Sisters’ Convent at Am Karim; the School of the Sisters of Notre Dame de Sion at Katamon; the Sisters’ residence at Capharnaum; and the church and rectory at Ikret. Catholic authorities have estimated that the Jews have destroyed Church property in the Holy Land at the rate of more than two million dollars’ worth a year.
    To enumerate only French Catholic institutions, they have demolished four hospitals, 16 dispensaries, two hospices, four seminaries, 32 schools and orphanages, and seven retreat houses. Among the countless other desecrations we might mention, none is more heart-rending than that of Jerusalem’s Church of the Dormition — the magnificent Romanesque shrine to the Mother of God which was pillaged by Israeli soldiers and then turned into a Jewish dance hall for the young men and women of Haganah. It was only after a hundred such incidents that the Apostolic Delegate, Archbishop Hughes, unequivocally charged that there is now in operation a “deliberate Jewish effort to decimate the Arabs and to destroy Christianity in Palestine.””

    http://www.theqharqadtree.com/2013/06/the-ugly-history-of-jewish-desecration.html

  421. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    A Catholic perspective, stunningly accurate for something written in 1958

    HOW THE JEWS INVADED THE HOLY LAND
    Edited Under Fr. Leonard Feeney M.I.C.M. — Saint Benedict Center

    [MORE]

    Four Men Who Built The Zionist State
    It is a peculiarity of history that the farther back we stand to get a look at it, the better we see it. And thus, with the smoke lifted and the rubble swept aside, those two increasingly distant calamities, World Wars I and II, are every day making a clearer picture.
    It may be argued that the abiding effects of a war are not always the precise effects intended by the war’s planners. But when two international conflicts, fought within twenty-five years of each other, have both resulted in the establishment and extension of the same two world powers (to the detriment of all others), then there is more than mere chance to be reckoned with.
    Those two powers, the chief two in the world today, are Communism and Zionism. The First World War gave them both a solid footing: the tracts of land they needed if they were to continue. The Communists announced a claim to all of Russia; the Zionists were granted one to Palestine. And World War II more than made good these claims. It gave the Communists the largest empire the world has ever known — stretching from Berlin to the China Sea. More unlikely, it gave the Zionists a sovereign Jewish state in the Holy Land.
    That the fortunes of Zionism and Communism have been complementary, that world events of the past several decades have been to their common advantage, is obvious. That both movements are avowedly anti-Christian, and that both are in origin and direction Jewish, is a matter of record. But although the Jewish power of Communism has been quantitatively a greater oppressor of the Church — having killed more priests and desecrated more altars — the Jewish power of Zionism has hit the Church at the very core by seizing and profaning the one land which above all others is the Holy Land.
    As an organized program of racism and revenge, fulfilling centuries of thwarted Jewish dreams, Zionism is larger than any one of the men who have been its leaders. Out of the last hundred years, however, there are four of these men who stand as symbols of Zionist progress. Considered in sequence, these leaders of Zionism will tell all of the story that must so urgently be known.
    Moses Hess
    In the year 1862, a German Jew named Moses Hess published at Paris a book called Rome and Jerusalem. If modern Zionism must be assigned a specific starting point, this was it. Hess’s message was straightforward. “Papal Rome,” he writes, “symbolizes to the Jews an inexhaustible well of poison.” But the Jews should not be discouraged, Hess continues. A “regeneration” of the world has been going on since the “great” French Revolution. Rome is already on the way down, he declares, and the job of the Jew is to establish Jerusalem in place of it. Christianity will be “finally replaced among the regenerated nations by a new historical cult. To this coming cult, Judaism alone holds the key.”
    Hess nailed the whole argument in with the resounding blasphemy: “Every Jew has within him the potentiality of a Messiah and every Jewess that of a Mater Dolorosa … The Messianic Era is the present age.”
    There was no Jew in Europe that was not interested. But, for many, Hess’s call to arms was too dangerous. There would be Christian resentment, they said. There would be a reaction, and all those new liberties so lately acquired by the Jews, as a result of the Masonic revolutions, would be revoked. To these “assimilated” Jews of Western Europe, Hess was a stab of bad conscience. He was telling them that, despite their white gloves and tall hats and changed names, they were still, and irrevocably, Jewish.
    On the other hand, to the Jews of Eastern Europe, still confined in the Polish and Russian ghettos, Moses Hess was a prophet. His book begot a dozen secret societies dedicated to a revived Jewish nationalism. And it set the stage for a more versatile Jewish leader.
    Theodore Herzl
    If Moses Hess was the violent revolutionist that Zionism needed to start it off, Theodore Herzl was the capable calculator who brought order to the Zionist frenzy, won for Zionism the support of Western Jews, and gave permanent direction to the Jewish resurgence by advocating the immediate establishment of a self-governing Jewish state.
    With diabolical doggedness, Herzl peddled his plan for a Jewish homeland on every important doorstep in Europe. The Kaiser listened to him. And so did the King of Italy and the Sultan of Turkey. England offered him a piece of her own property in Uganda. But the Zionists were determined against second-class handouts. They wanted Palestine or nothing for their nation, and Jerusalem for their capital.
    Herzl dared approach even the Pope, Saint Pius X, to ask support for a Jewish settlement in Palestine. To so fantastic a proposal, the Holy Father (says Herzl’s Diaries): “answered in a stern and categorical manner: ‘We are unable to favor this movement. We cannot prevent the Jews from going to Jerusalem — but we could never sanction it. The ground of Jerusalem, if it were not always sacred, has been sanctified by the life of Jesus Christ. As the head of the Church, I cannot answer you otherwise. The Jews have not recognized Our Lord; therefore, we cannot recognize the Jewish people.’ ”
    The Pope did not discount the possibility of some measure of success for Zionism. Himself the virtual prisoner of Italy’s Masonic administrators, Saint Pius X held no illusory view of “Catholic Europe.” The men who were then running Europe’s governments were the offspring of those same Freemasons who had gloried in tearing down the ghetto walls while they sacked the churches. For Freemasonry had set the Jews up; and now that the Masons were in unchallenged power, the Jews could expect great things. But could they really expect Palestine? Besides being the Holy Land of the Christians, the territory of Palestine was the guarded property of the Turkish Empire, the centuries-old home of an established people. It seemed unlikely to the Pope that great numbers of Jews could ever settle there — and unthinkable that circumstances would ever permit the Jews to set up their own government in the place.
    The Zionists, on their part, were confident that when desired circumstances do not present themselves on their own, they can be made to order. In a speech before the Sixth Zionist Congress in 1903, Herzl’s colleague, Max Nordau, said (and we repeat that the year was 1903): “Let me tell you the following words as if I were showing you the rungs of a ladder leading upward and upward: Herzl, the Zionist Congress, the English Uganda proposition, the future World War, the peace conference where, with the help of England, a free and Jewish Palestine will be created.”
    Chaim Weizmann
    When the World War that Nordau had foretold eventually came, in 1914, Herzl was ten years dead. But a new Zionist leader was on hand to oversee the expected Jewish triumph. This was Chaim Weizmann, an itinerant chemist who had moved from his native Russia to Manchester, England, sometime before the outbreak of the War. It was Weizmann’s task to acquaint the British government with Jewish designs on the Holy Land. In exchange for an official smile on these Zionist ambitions, Weizmann could promise that his race — its financiers, presidential advisors, newspaper publishers and all — would join whole-heartedly in helping Britain win the war. Consequently, on Nov. 2, 1917, the British Foreign Secretary, Lord Balfour, addressed a letter to Lord Rothschild, English representative of the powerful Jewish banking house.
    “His Majesty’s Government,” wrote Balfour, “view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people … ” Though the letter further specified that “nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine,” the Jews assumed this clause was meaningless. The Balfour Declaration, as this letter came to be called, gave the Jews a foot in the Holy Land, and they set out with determination to wriggle the rest of their bulk through the door.
    To direct this operation, Chaim Weizmann went to Palestine in 1918, as head of the Zionist Commission. Under Weizmann’s supervision, armies of Jewish immigrants pushed into Palestine (made a British Mandate in 1922) till eventually they had swollen their numbers to one-half the total inhabitants. (Their land-purchases were less prodigal; by 1948 they owned only six per cent of the available property.)
    Through all this, the Church remained adamantly anti-Zionist. In a 1921 allocution, Pope Benedict XV expressed his fear that “the Jews should come to take in Palestine a preponderant and privileged position.” Most Catholic observers, however, thought such a possibility remote. Father Bede Jarrett, noted English Dominican, gave the majority opinion when he wrote, also in 1921: “The Jew has always specialized in money. Industrial labor has no interest for him, and agricultural labor even less. Therefore, he will never go back to Palestine, where the wealth is almost entirely in agriculture. Indeed, why should he worry over Palestine when he has the whole world at his feet?”
    What Father Jarrett did not realize was that “the Jew” intended to demonstrate just how abjectly at his feet the world was — and precisely by taking over Palestine.
    World War I, as Nordau revealed, had been the scheduled means for setting up a Jewish state. But it did not quite do the trick. A second World War was needed to bring the Jews’ otherwise unthinkable scheme to perfection. At the conclusion of World War II, Chaim Weizmann came to America to claim the spoils. Spurred on by him and fellow-Zionists, the United Nations obediently decreed that at the expiration of the British Mandate, the Holy Land should be partitioned into two areas; the smaller to be governed by Arabs, the larger by Jews.
    The British were to withdraw on May 15, 1948. At midnight of May 14, Zionist leaders announced the formation of a Jewish State. Ten minutes after their announcement, President Harry Truman, defying all protocol, accorded this infant monstrosity official United States recognition. Later, Mr. Truman was to write in his published memoirs: “I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders — actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats — disturbed me and annoyed me.”
    Even if it were not known otherwise, events of the last decade would bear stern witness that the Masonic Mr. Truman overcame his annoyance.
    David Ben-Gurion
    Though Chaim Weizmann was duly named President of the Jewish State, and held that office until his death in 1952, it was a position of honor only. The Jews were grateful for all Weizmann had done, but they were confident they had come to a new season: the full flowering of that “Messianic Era” that Moses Hess had proclaimed. And they had a new leader: their Prime Minister, David Ben-Gurion.
    As effective head of the Jewish State, Ben-Gurion represents the fulfillment of Hess, Herzl, and Weizmann; the achievement of Zionist victory. He is the symbol of Jewry on its own — the crucifiers of Christ free at last of Christian standards and surveillance. How alien the Jews are to those standards, their ten years of sovereignty have enabled them to show.
    The acts of Jewish terrorism that had marked the final months of the British Mandate (when Jews were blowing up British buildings in Palestine, hanging British soldiers, mailing time-bombs to members of the British cabinet) seemed like mere schoolboy pranks when the Jews went to work on the Arabs. One million Arab residents of Palestine were forced to flee their ancestral homes — the orchards, pastures, and farms their people had worked for centuries. And as Archbishop George Hakim of Galilee insisted: “They were terrorized out.” The persuasive device employed by the Jews was simple: they massacred one whole Arab village; then they sent a sound-truck through all the neighboring villages, promising each one the same fate unless the people evacuated their homes immediately.
    All this was apart from the military aggression, when Jewish soldiers, with arms supplied by Communist Czechoslovakia, invaded the Arab-assigned regions of Palestine and increased their national holdings by forty per cent. Feats like this thrilled the Jews who were watching from afar, swelled the fantastic sums being poured into Palestine by World Jewry, and provoked statements like this one by New York’s Jewish Congressman, Emmanuel Celler: “Maybe the Israelis may have to give the Arabs another lesson and cut through their forces again like a hot knife through butter. Only this time the pleas of the United Nations will not deter them. They will shoot their way clear into Beirut, Amman, and Alexandria.”
    When Prime Minister Ben-Gurion’s plans for the further expansion of the Jewish state are realized (when international circumstances have been ordered to that end), there will be a fresh field open to the Jews. And it will be open not only for additional confiscation of Arab property, but for further desecration of Christian shrines and churches in those parts of the Holy Land that the Jews do not yet control. Bethlehem, for example, can expect a repetition of the profanity and sacrilege that the Jews have already perpetrated in Mount Carmel, Ain-Karim, Haifa, Capharnaum, Tiberias, Beit-Jala, Katamon, in all of Galilee, and in Jerusalem, the Holy City itself. These previous desecrations, so well calculated by Mr. Ben-Gurion, prompted the well-known but little-heeded warning of the late Apostolic Delegate, Archbishop Hughes, who stated that there is in operation a “deliberate Jewish effort to decimate the Arabs and to destroy Christianity in Palestine.”
    The consequences of this “deliberate Jewish effort” will spread in our time far beyond the borders of Palestine. For the once-Christian West has betrayed Our Lord’s Holy Land into the hands of His crucifiers, and already the price of the betrayal is being paid, in kind. It has cost England her empire. And it has put that other chief Zionist supporter, the United States of America, face to face with a Third World War — one that looms like a terror out of the Apocalypse, and that will provide the most fantastic chapter yet in the unfinished story of Zionism.

    • Replies: @Anon
  422. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon-og

    Look, I’m sympathetic, but don’t quote Feeney and call it a “Catholic perspective”.

    • Replies: @Anon-og
  423. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    [Just one more stroke and I think he can get it off]

    Can we ask S2C to acknowledge completion; if only to spare the wider audience an excess of information?

    [I told him before that Nazis don’t have a sense of humor]

    Let alone sense of humour; Nazis don’t have the basic honesty to acknowledge when they were wrong on a factual matter even when presented with evidence which invalidates their claims. [the claim being Yad Vashem does not keep documentation on the Transfer Agreement]

    ****************************************************
    to: Orloski/Whoever-t-fk

    I read the various threads which followed, and it appears you charlatans are at it again without a trace of mortification: “Is the existence of these coins forbidden history.”

    No morons, it most certainly is not. One such souvenir coin with a swastika and Star of David was owned by a German Jewish girl, 8-year-old Mara Vishniac, who left Nazi Germany with her family in 1938-1940. It is now in the permanent collection of the Holocaust Museum. There are many more.

    https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn517746

    It would’ve been comical, had it not been for the noxious attempts to undermine the Yad Vashem.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  424. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @MEexpert

    Perry of consortium news has tracked the convergence of 2 nation’s interests at the cost of the peace, US interest, human development towards a normal life in the planet ]Those 2 nations are Israel and S Arbaia

    Mondoweiss has documented how both were conceived by British thugs

    Now those two showed up at Munich and joined again but this time more openly ( S Arab propaganda machine in US is now managed by Israel thanks to billi9ons dollars worth of bribe)
    In Munich all the known players castigated Iran for creating “Radical Islamic terrorism’- which was addressed by Trump again like another unnoticed Oscar mistake moment .

    Now we see Islamic organization is cozing up to Jewish issues like vandalism of graves .

    What on earth is going on ?

    • Replies: @MEexpert
  425. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:
    @Anon

    I guess I should have done more research on the guy before posting ….

  426. Art says:
    @RobinG

    Once upon a time (last year) Sam opined, iirc, that the Lobby was not really good for Jews, and he expressed support for our objective, to expose and curtail its influence on US policy. But since returning from his summer sojourn in Israel, he’s changed his tune. IMO, he was brow-beaten back into the fold.

    RobinG,

    Shama is a man-child. Physically a man, but mentally a child. He will never have the intellectual courage and grownup wisdom to do what is right. He is clever, but he cannot overcome his cultural upbringing. His elders traumatized him with exaggerated tails of tribal victimhood and he feels safe in the bosom of their lies – how perverse. (The whole Jew tribal thing is perverse.)

    Shama will forever be a Little Jew believing that his Big Jews can thru endless subterfuge, keep him forever safe from the hordes of stupid gentiles (all 7,000,000,000 of them). (Hmm – why not just be honest and good?)

    Peace — Art

    p.s. What a burden it must be to know you can NEVER be on the good side.

  427. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    I don’t know much about Feeney but what stands out to me in this 1955 interview with him is how the hasbara that Israel relied on back then was a bit different as illustrated by the answer he gives to the following question :

    Q. Under what guise are the Jews trying to win American opinion to their side?

    A. They are portraying Israel as a beleaguered little democracy, America’s one friend in the Middle East, struggling for existence against hordes of Communist-dominated Arab neighbors.

    Doesn’t that sound familiar?? Of course, now, it’s the so called barbaric hordes in Islamic-dominated Arab states that threaten the noble, beleaguered little democracy called Israel.

    Where was this evil Islam threatening Israel and the world back then…its all a bunch of bullshit and the problem in the region is Israel…

    https://fatherfeeney.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/the-point-december-1955/

  428. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    The whole interview is interesting, worth a read :

    The Point – December 1955
    by adminAugust 22, 2009
    Edited Under Fr. Leonard Feeney M.I.C.M. — Saint Benedict Center
    December, 1955

    [MORE]

    There will be much talk this December about “putting Christ back into Christmas. Tragically, in all the holy commotion which will accompany this talk, not one person will speak up and ask that most pertinent question: “But who took Him out in the first place?”
    The answer is in no sense a seasonal one. For the attack that threatens Christmas each December is part of an all-out, full-time offensive — which will be striking at our parochial schools next March, at our New Testament next May, and at the basic Christian structure of our country next October. It is born of an enmity as old as our Faith. And it is sustained, from father to son, by that curse which a Jerusalem mob called down upon itself when it cried, “Crucify Him! His Blood be upon us and upon our children!”
    The drive to “put Christ back into Christmas” makes the ancient enemy only half worried — for, at best, it leaves our shattered word “Christmas” only half restored. It is The Point ’s lonely battle cry this December that Christmas be entirely salvaged — that, purged of the tinsel and the trappings, it may become, for all our readers, the Holy and Joyous celebration of “Christ’s Mass.”
    Israeli Inquiry
    Q. What will be one of the main objectives of the Jews in America during 1956?
    A. They will be striving, with accelerated fervor, to maneuver America into the role of big brother to the State of Israel, the protector of its interests and the conqueror of its foes.

    Q. What led the Jews to choose the year 1956 for this campaign?
    A. The presidential elections in November — an event which causes politicians to cast greedy eyes upon the fat bloc of Jewish votes, ready to fall into the lap of whatever candidate makes the most enticing offers.
    Q. Have the Jews published any announcement of their election-year plans?
    A. As outlined in the Bulletin of the Zionist Organization of America, their intention is “to swing American public opinion to come to Israel’s aid and exert pressure on the Administration of the kind which proved successful in 1947 and 1948, without which the State of Israel would not have come into being.”
    Q. Under what guise are the Jews trying to win American opinion to their side?
    A. They are portraying Israel as a beleaguered little democracy, America’s one friend in the Middle East, struggling for existence against hordes of Communist-dominated Arab neighbors.
    Q. Is there evidence that this portrayal is not quite accurate?
    A. Much, three samples of which follow:
    1) The official report on immigration to Israel, published by the U. S. Department of Commerce, reveals that most Israelis come from (and necessarily with the blessings of) Soviet Russia and her satellites.
    2) As a result of the August elections, the Israeli parliament (the Knesset) is composed of the following elements. Of the Knesset’s 120 seats, forty belong to the Socialist Labor Party (Mapai), an affiliate of the Second International; fifteen belong to the Freedom Party (Herut), political arm of those reportedly-outlawed terrorist gangs whose atrocities shocked the civilized world; ten belong to the Unity of Labor (Ahdut Avoda), an avowedly Marxist group; nine belong to the United Workers Party (Mapam), which advocates “the revolutionary class struggle” and “a firm bond between the workers of the world and the Soviet Union”; and six belong to the Communist Party of Israel — making a total of eighty seats for these extremist factions, or two-thirds of the parliament’s membership.
    3) In June of 1950, an American journalist was told by an official at the Vatican’s Department for Extraordinary Affairs, that the state of Israel is “obviously an outpost of the Soviet Union in the Middle East.” When the journalist objected that the major Israeli party is Socialist and not Communist, he was told, “It is all camouflage. These people are of one mind when it comes to the Christian religion. They are out to de-Christianize the Levant as part of a world-wide plot to destroy what is left of Christian morality.”
    Q. If Zionism and Communism are, then, so closely akin why is Israel presently scorning Russia and turning to the U. S. for help?
    A. This is a move not of necessity, but of prudence. The large quantities of planes, tanks, and guns Israel has already amassed have come to her mainly from behind the Iron Curtain, and Russia is still willing to keep Israel fortified, as she made clear immediately upon announcement of her arms-deal with Egypt. The Jews, however, are genuinely alarmed about the Arab nations, whose lands they have usurped, whose villages they have ravaged and destroyed, whose people they have slaughtered.
    Fearful lest the pent-up rage of the Arab world should finally burst upon them, the Jews want to see the Arabs knocked out once and for all, leaving Israel undisputed mistress of the Middle East. If Russia were to take on the assignment, there would be a danger of the U. S. stepping in on the side of the Arabs. Consequently, the Jews are creating the illusion that Israel is herself a victim of Communist aggression — hopeful that the U. S. can thereby be induced to come to
    her “defense.”
    Q. Is there no chance that this Jewish scheme will be frustrated?
    A. There is an excellent chance that Americans, weary of fighting fruitless wars, will take the trouble to discover that they are now being invited to do and die for no other purpose than to exalt the Jewish nation — whereupon the Jews are likely to find their boldness met with an unexpectedly formidable reaction.
    Q. Is this the only hope of defeating the Jews?
    A. There is another and better one. It is the wan but still-living hope that the remnants of Christendom, struck with the terrible realization that the land hallowed by the Birth and Death of Christ is now in the hands of His implacable enemies, will arise and rally to that now-more-pertinent call which Pope Urban II issued to the first Crusaders: “Mark out a path all the way to the Holy Sepulcher and snatch the Holy Land from that abominable people!”
    Christian Reminder
    For anyone who wonders whether there is provocation for a present-day Catholic Crusade to rescue the Holy Land, we are concluding this issue with a partial list of the atrocities and desecrations which the Jews have committed in Palestine since 1948. (We make no attempt to indicate here the loss in lives and property suffered by the nearly one million Arabs who have been evicted from their ancient homes during the past seven years.)
    The Jews have defiled and destroyed the following Church buildings: the Church of Saint John the Baptist at Am Karim, the Church of the Beatitudes at Capharnaum, the Church of Mensa Christi on the shores of the Sea of Galilee, the Church of Saint Peter at Tiberias, the Cenacle (the place of the Last Supper) at Jerusalem, the Convent of Mary Reparatrix at Jerusalem, the Convent and Hospice of Notre Dame at Jerusalem, the Convent of the Sisters of Saint Ann at Haifa, the Franciscan Convent at Tiberias, the Patriarchal Seminary at Beit-Jala, the Salesian houses at Cremisan, the Sisters’ Convent at Am Karim, the School of the Sisters of Notre Dame de Sion at Katamon, the Sisters’ residence at Capharnaum, the church and rectory at Ikret. Catholic authorities have estimated that the Jews have destroyed Church property in the Holy Land at the rate of more than two million dollars’ worth a year. To enumerate only French Catholic institutions, they have demolished four hospitals, sixteen dispensaries, two hospices, four seminaries, thirty-two schools and orphanages, and seven retreat houses.
    Among the countless other desecrations we might mention, none is more heart-rending than that of Jerusalem’s Church of the Dormition — the magnificent Romanesque shrine to the Mother of God which was pillaged by Israeli soldiers and then turned into a Jewish dance hall for the young men and women of Haganah. It was only after a hundred such incidents that the Apostolic Delegate, Archbishop Hughes, unequivocally charged that there is now in operation a “deliberate Jewish effort to decimate the Arabs and to destroy Christianity in Palestine.”

    https://fatherfeeney.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/the-point-december-1955/

  429. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:

    Per that same interview in 1955, so ahead of its time and yet to happen yet lol

    Q. Is there no chance that this Jewish scheme will be frustrated?
    A. There is an excellent chance that Americans, weary of fighting fruitless wars, will take the trouble to discover that they are now being invited to do and die for no other purpose than to exalt the Jewish nation — whereupon the Jews are likely to find their boldness met with an unexpectedly formidable reaction.

  430. Talha says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Chuck,

    Great video!

    Have you ever come across this before about Andrew Breitbart and the founding of his site?
    “Breitbart News Network: Born In The USA, Conceived In Israel”
    One thing we specifically discussed that night was our desire to start a site that would be unapologetically pro-freedom and pro-Israel.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/11/17/breitbart-news-network-born-in-the-usa-conceived-in-israel/

    Look at that photo with Netanyahu.

    How many people do you think know about this connection? It certainly explains a hell of a lot about the content they put out.

    I honestly had no clue they had this much influence on the Alt-Right – again, that would explain a lot.

    Peace.

  431. Talha says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Also this…

    “Steve Bannon Made Breitbart a Space for Pro-Israel Writers and Anti-Semitic Readers”
    More testimony to Bannon’s pro-Israel leanings came from Pamela Geller, a polemical blogger whose efforts to stir up hatred of Muslims have been championed by Breitbart but got her added to a list of “extremists” barred from travel to Britain in 2013, on the grounds that her presence could “foster hatred which might lead to inter-community violence.”

    Another element of the campaign has been to point out that Breitbart News was, as its chief executive Larry Solov explained, originally conceived of by its founder, Andrew Breitbart, as a way to fight what he saw as “the anti-Israel bias of the mainstream media” and left-wing Jewish groups that oppose Israel’s open-ended military occupation of Palestinian land.

    “They say that we are ‘anti-Semitic,’” Solov and Breitbart’s editor Alex Marlow wrote in August, when Hillary Clinton’s campaign first objected to Bannon taking charge of Trump’s campaign, “though our company was founded by Jews, is largely staffed by Jews, and has an entire section (Breitbart Jerusalem) dedicated to reporting on and defending the Jewish state of Israel.”
    https://theintercept.com/2016/11/16/steve-bannon-made-breitbart-space-pro-israel-writers-anti-semitic-readers/

    Man – I had no clue that some of the leadership on the Alt-Right was that seriously connected to Israel – wow!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @iffen
  432. MEexpert says:
    @anonymous

    In Munich all the known players castigated Iran for creating “Radical Islamic terrorism’- which was addressed by Trump again like another unnoticed Oscar mistake moment .

    That shows the power of the Jews and Money or do I repeat myself. Israel with the help of the Main Stream Media have regurgitated this propaganda so much that average American believes that (1) Iran has nuclear weapons, (2) Iran is the state sponsor of terrorism, and (3) that Iran is helping ISIS/Al-Qaeda with giving any proof.

    On the other hand, there is enough proof that Israel has nuclear weapons, that it is supporting ISIS/Al-Qaeda by treating their injured and sending them back to combat, that Saudi Arabia is funding ISIS/AL-Qaeda and supplying them with weapons.

    Trump very obediently stressed two very points that were music to Israel and the neocon ears: (1) Undying love for Israel, and (2) That Iran suppors terrorism.

  433. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The spineless impulse in some of you to align your Americanism with Zionism ignores the realities of Israeli transgressions against our nation. Whether it be wars and American bloodshed for Israel or the intimidation, corruption and erosion of our political system by Israel’s special interest groups and the current attack against freedom of speech, not to mention, so much more not yet uncovered, for all this to be ignored by some “whites” simply because of your wet dreams of a white supremacist ethnostate like Israel is fucken pathetic. Most of you sided with your pimp hero “Bibi” even when he showed no respect for our President simply because of your fickle minded hatred of “Obummer” the muzzie lol. Guess what, dont wonder why these Israelis laugh at the stupidity of Americans who keep paying them and fighting their wars, who wouldn’t take advantage. And btw, there are a million reasons to hate Obama but when Bibi pulled his bullshit, seeing Americans on so many different forums talk that Bibi the hero bullshit made me wanna gag.

  434. Seraphim says:
    @Anon

    What history?

    But since you talked about KJV, Vulgate and koine Greek I jump on the occasion.
    Koine Greek was the lingua franca of the Eastern parts of the Empire. There is no doubt that the basic texts of the Scriptures were Greek. The OT was in Greek (Septuagint), the Gospels, the Acts of the Apostles, the Epistles were written in Greek.
    No doubt either that Aramaic was as extensively used in the more Eastern parts. The debate over the language spoken by Jesus is downright silly. He spoke all languages. There is evidence that he spoke in Greek to Simon when he called him by a Greek name. As a matter of fact Simon’s brother bore a Greek name, Andrew. What language spoke the ‘Hellenists’ Jews? The answer is blowing in the wind. The situation in the Empire was of multilingualism.
    But of course translations in the vernaculars were made immediately. The Apostles certainly had to preach in the local languages. The case of the Gospel of Matthew is relevant. He wrote his Gospel both in Greek and Hebrew (one should not forget that Matthew was a ‘publican’ and for sure at least bi-lingual, apart from the fact that it is entirely credible that he wrote down the very words of Jesus). The translations of the Scriptures in Aramaic were made basically following the Septuagint (dshab`in or ‘translation of the seventy’) and the Greek Gospels.
    In the Latin West the Scriptures circulated in a Latin translation of the Septuagint, known under the name of ‘Vetus Latina’, or ‘Vetus Itala’. These texts have been replaced by what became the standard ‘Bible’ of the West, the Vulgata a new translation completed by Saint Jerome in 405 AD. What Jerome did was to base his translation on a Hebrew text, divergent from the Septuagint. It wrongly assumed that it was the identic with the present version called the Masoretic text, the authoritative Hebrew and Aramaic text of the Tanakh for Rabbinic Judaism.

    The Masoretic text is a recent text (9th Century AD) and is in fact a deformation of the Septuagint (actually of the original Hebrew text). The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls have demonstrated that their Hebrew text aligns perfectly with the Septuagint. The Masoretic text is a version doctored by the Rabbis to eliminate any allusions to Christ and skewing the prophecies to predict the glorious restoration of the Kingdom of Israel, of the Temple and the perpetual reign over the world by a Messiah of the ‘Davidic lineage’ (of which the British Royal House is a direct descendant!!!).

    KJV is a schizophrenic text. The OT part is translated after the Masoretic text, whereas the NT after the Greek texts. The Greek text is replete with quotations from the Septuagint which differ from the Masoretic ones which in turn are used to ‘correct’ the Greek text of the NT. It is the falsification contained in the KJV which allowed for the development of the fantasies of ‘British Israel’ and descendance of the British Kings from David.

    I won’t say anything of Bibles used by the Bible bashers in America (mostly the NIV) except that they are even further removed from the Septuagint and more thoroughly Judaized.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Sam Shama
  435. mcohen says:

    the jewish temple will be built in the next 4 years.this has nothing to do with the politics of israel.jerusalem has enormous potential as a historical relegious tourist area.a venice or vatican..but it needs to be done right and tastefully.trump is the right man to do it with friedman overseeing for the boss.huge financial drawcard for christians jews and moslems.all the sites will need a polish and touch up,that has begun..city of david,temple mount wailing wall,churches,burial places all need to inspire.you know how you walk into a space and it just hits ,lifts you up.thats the way forward…..the “Sanctuary of the 3 companions”.the 3 relegions.all the rest the politics,the violence,keep that for the wastelands.tel aviv and ramallah.

    do it president donald trump.do it prime minister bibi netanyahu.do it president sisi.do it king abdullah of jordan.do it prime minister abbas.make it happen.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Sam Shama
    , @KA
    , @Talha
  436. iffen says:
    @mcohen

    the jewish temple will be built in the next 4 years

    And the exact location, as in the exact plot of vacant land?

  437. iffen says:
    @Seraphim

    He spoke all languages.

    Now there is the faith of mustard seed.

  438. Sam Shama says:
    @mcohen

    אָמֵן

    בעזרתו של אלוהים

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  439. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    ” it would’ve been comical, had it not been for the noxious attempts to undermine the Yad
    Vashem”.

    I’m fully aware the Jews are sadly aware that the Zionists worked closely with the NAZIs.

    My assertion the cooperation between the Zionists and the NAZIS is forbidden news, was to draw you out, hopefully to get you to admit the Zionists Jews had and has the same ideology as the NAZIs.

    Furthermore, it was an excellent way to undermine Zionism and the extermination propaganda
    pushed by the International NAZI Zionists criminals and the Hasbara propagandist like you.

    Keith

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Sam Shama
  440. Sam Shama says:
    @Seraphim

    [The Masoretic text is a version doctored by the Rabbis to eliminate any allusions to Christ and skewing the prophecies]

    What are the exact differences between the Masoretic text and the Samaritan Bible?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  441. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Pathetic. Reply to #432 .

    Crickets

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  442. iffen says:
    @Talha

    Stop it, Talha, you are going to get fleas.

  443. iffen says:
    @Anonymous

    the cooperation between the Zionists and the NAZIS is forbidden news

    Thanks for this comment. It has saved me reading time.

    Usually I can hear the cylinders clicking and see caroms off the bumpers and the flashing lights coming on, but not with this coin.

    Thanks again.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  444. @Sam Shama

    “Pathetic. Reply to # 432.”

    Sam Shama,

    What is pathetic is the fact that you avoid making an explanation as to what you have found as “Pathetic.” Say what you mean!

    I have much more respect for Tel Aviv Central HQ which knows both who they are & what evil Zionists have wrought world wide, and with no” Stop” signs in sight.

    In contrast to you, Sam, the T.A.C. HQ understands perfectly what perfidy Israel wants & does, and they use educated fools (like yourself!) to instill slogan-thought into American minds; for one example, Ilana Mercer, “the hate coming from Islam and Latin America.” You are just a Dead Salesman Walking for False Zionist Authority, Sam, and once again, I’m glad I’m not you.

    To other commenters: Here is a snippet from what really is the pathetic State of the USrael Union; “Ask not what your U.S./Zionist government could do for you, ask what you can do for Israel!” Eternal memory, November 22, 1963.

    Support the wars against Radical Islam , Sam! Tel Aviv needs you! The Military-Industrial-Security Complex wants you!

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  445. KA says:
    @mcohen

    The suggestion was there all along from the start Vatican wanted this city to remain an international city. That scenario to the Pope was promised by the big wigs of the Zionism while their intention was just the opposite

  446. Sam Shama says:
    @Anonymous

    [My assertion the cooperation between the Zionists and the NAZIS is forbidden news, was to draw you out, hopefully to get you to admit the Zionists Jews had and has the same ideology as the NAZIs.]

    Oh, I see, you were trying to draw me out, were you? Well I’ve emerged from the chrysalis only to witness furious backpedalling. This is the full text of your earlier comment:

    Since we are briefly off the topic, maybe Sam Shamma, who seems to be knowledgeable about all things Jewish, can shed some light on the significance of the attached images of Zionist NAZI coins.

    Is the existence of these coins forbidden history.

    To which I replied it obviously isn’t; given the extensive collections of the museums, including documents relating to the Ha’avara movement.

    A short historical narrative on the coin I linked:

    Commemorative coin issued to encourage immigration that belonged to 8 year old Mara Vishniac, a young Jewish girl who left Nazi Germany with her family in 1938-1940. The coin was struck in 1934 to memorialize the journey of Baron von Mildenstein, a Nazi party member, to Palestine. The trip resulted in a pro-Zionist report encouraging Jewish emigration, published in the nationalist newspaper, Der Angriff. Mara lived in Berlin with her parents, Roman and Luta, and brother, Wolf. After Hitler’s rise to power in 1933, Jews experienced increasingly harsh persecution. Following the Kristallnacht pogrom on November 9-10, 1938, Mara, 12, and her brother, 16, were sent to live with relatives in Riga, Latvia. A few months later, Mara was sent to a home for refugee children in Sweden. In 1940, Mara, her mother, and brother moved to Stockholm and obtained visas to travel to the United States. Her father was arrested as an enemy alien in German occupied Paris and imprisoned. He escaped after three months and, with the aid of the JDC, which had sponsored his photography, he obtained a visa to the US. The family reunited in Lisbon, Portugal, and left on the SS Siboney, arriving in New York on December 31, 1940.

    So, do you wish to repeat your query?

    Mendacity, thy name is Anonymous! Or if you prefer […….]

    [Furthermore, it was an excellent way to undermine Zionism and the extermination propaganda
    pushed by the International NAZI Zionists criminals and the Hasbara propagandist like you]

    It’s of no use mewling like a feral creature after your basic premise got destroyed. Whatever fantasies you repeat to yourself is your own, and won’t change informed, objective, or civil opinion.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  447. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Pathetic, piker, was your assertion that the Museum did not keep documentation on the Ha’avara movement [and I won’t even mention the other moron’s struggles with the coins] which even after my producing evidence to the contrary failed to produce any acknowledgement on your part, let alone any traces of mortification in your other typical emissions.

    That’s about the size of it for the time being, but I can launch into more.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  448. @Sam Shama

    Writing in English would deflate your ego? Il mele volontiers Mossad dans son ceuvre a la peinture… ‘ello Alexa, play my ding-a-ling in Hebrew?

    bah! Des moeeurs patriarcales de sa Hebron province et de ses compatriotes stinky islamises.

    boogah, boogah! Ich wesiss nicht vas sol es bedeuten, das ich so low fat traurig bin, en gin und tonic.

    Why don’t you join the I.D.F. and go to the Lebanon front? La realite se mele Rilke, Samuel Gompers , K.S.M., Pope Paul VI, Arnon Milchan, Jesse Owens, Darth Vader, Madoff, Beevis, inter alia galactica, la realite se mele au reve, get-your-rocks-off, Ivo Andric, Wolf Blitzer, and Butthead.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  449. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @MEexpert

    Wasn’t talking to you; thanks for the interesting information which is however largely irrelevant to my previous comment; I’m really only replying because I see Talha has “Agreed”.

    First, I don’t really care whether Hezbollah is a terrorist group or not. It’s a largely subjective category. I’d like to note however that neither philanthropy nor local popularity has much to do with the issue. Do you want to talk about the LTTE? Or for that matter Irgun and Haganah? The wide perception of it as such nevertheless exists, as I said, “rightly or wrongly”.

    “And a Shia group at that!”: If you were Talha, to whom I was talking, this would be a mock-serious dig: “Silly Sunni, relying on Shiites to protect you from those wicked Christians!”

    • Replies: @Talha
  450. @Sam Shama

    “… but I can launch more.”

    Yes, Sam, I agree! You have surplus supply of bullshit on the Dimona/U.S. launch pad.

    I note how you called out “Anonymous” for mendacity. Ha! Who the hell are you? I tried a Google-search of “Sam Shama” and I saw many references.

    As you and your Goliath ilk well know, one of the greatest fears honest & patriotic American people have is a failure to ignore Neocon Ari Fleischer’s sickening advice, “Watch what you say, watch what you do.”

    Subsequently, many good people, including those here at The Unz Review, elect to make very thoughtful “anonymous” comments. (Many choose to use screen names like “Goosebumps” or whatever) Understandably, they (likely) do not want to draw fire from the A.D.L. Thought Police and worse yet, lose their jobs for openly saying what they actually think.

    As you know, I have no clue who YOU are Sam Shama, but I know WHAT you are.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  451. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    Hahaha

    Who Art thou? Salvatore! Salvatore! you’ll set the Abbey on fire……

  452. Talha says:
    @mcohen

    Hey MC Ohen (the mackinest rhyme-thrower),

    I was going to respond to this in one way, but I’m glad I didn’t. After reading through it a couple of times, there is a lot of good in what you are suggesting. I think there could be an excellent opportunity for doing something along the lines of what are mentioning, a shared sacred space.

    There would have to be a few conditions (some I can think of):
    1) The compound/area would have to be completely demilitarized
    2) Security for the compound would be an even-handed international effort
    3) The construction should be something that all three faiths collaborate on and which genuinely reflects the aesthetic and heritage of each of them
    4) It is a shared sacred space, whether divided by area or according to which times/days each group has
    5) A respect for the ancient foundations and a view to reasonably preserve that which currently exists
    6) No one country or religion can control access to it, but it has to be a collaborative enterprise

    But this cannot have insincere intentions, this cannot be built on false premises. As you say, this is Jerusalem, and the Sacred House (Bayt al Maqdis) – this is not a normal city or a normal plot of land. This cannot be a cynical project built for the revenue it will bring in or the next election it will win. It cannot come from wily or demagogic politicians. It has to come from the heart; it has to be the realization of the imams and the priests and the rabbis and their flock finally realizing they have spilled far too much blood on sacred land. Crying in the middle of the night; Lord, do not deprive us, we wronged ourselves and others, grant us Your grace to build that which is worthy of Your patronage!

    And perhaps He may accept it and it may bear fruit. I’d love to see a movement among our ulama for this.

    The Son of Mary (pbuh) was as gentle a soul as any that walked the earth, but it is reported that when men tried to make the sacred grounds a means to make money, he drove them out with violence. In this is a lesson for us all. These sites aren’t holy because we claim them to be, it’s because God designated them as such – we cannot make franchises out of them to sell t-shirts and make a buck. Attempts to make ‘Third TempleLand’ (TM) or the ‘Third Holy Trumple’ (TM) will and should end up as failures.

    iffen – I end with a shout out to your peeps:

    Peace.

    Note: I was speaking to my wife this morning how it is a shame it is that the Hanafis aren’t more prominent in the administration of the Hijaz any longer. I would love to see tours of Mosque in Madinah being given to them; people who genuinely and sincerely want to see and experience the sacred space and the serenity of where the Prophet (pbuh) is still buried.

    • Replies: @iffen
  453. Quite a bit of the official holocaust story is false, and many documents relating to the holocaust are also fake. Who would trust much coming out of Yad Vashem? At least, I understand that the Israeli government would likely produce any fake documents they need to tell whatever story they wish to tell. The Holocaust Museum in D.C. was still promoting the Jewish lampshade and soap myths as real a few years back. I’d guess they are probably still doing the same.

    WWII German/Jewish history isn’t a huge issue for me, as it really isn’t an American issue. How the history has been used is an American issue, but that could be solved by telling Jews to STFU about the holocaust. I’m far more concerned about the AIPAC/pro-Israel traitors and Jewish prog traitors than I am about WWII. Deal with the traitors in the U.S. and Europe, and real scholarship would be allowed to determine the truth of what actually happened during WWII.

    I don’t consider Hezbollah to be a terrorist group. I spent 8 months in Israel just south of the border with Lebanon, during a time of supposed peace, and all of the military activity that I saw/heard involved Israel projecting northwards. The UN soldiers I spoke to weren’t fond of the Lebanese, but they understood their plight, and they mostly disliked the IDF. It’s all anecdotal, but that is far better than relying on the pro-Jewish/pro-Israel fake media and scholars in the U.S and Europe.

  454. Talha says:
    @Anon

    Senor Tamil,

    Silly Sunni, relying on Shiites

    Not all of us Sunnis have daggers for Shiahs, and nor do our Shiah brothers have daggers for most of us. It’s the extremists on both sides baying for blood. If anything, Hezbollah proved to be magnanimous in victory. When the Israelis pulled out of Lebanon, people thought it may have been a blood bath and Hezbollah was certainly the strongest militia. But they took the high road and I’ve not read of revenge massacres against Sunni or Christian militias or civilians. They earned everyone’s respect in Lebanon for that.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  455. iffen says:
    @Talha

    5) A respect for the ancient foundations and a view to reasonably preserve that which currently exists

    There goes the idea of putting the Dome of the Rock on rollers and moving it aside.

    My peeps never listen to pinkos like Earle. 🙂

  456. Sam Shama says:
    @Chuck Orloski

    “launch more” and “launch into more”, the latter being what I wrote, are very different, pikey; but then, you speak Pidgin.

  457. Clyde says:
    @Talha

    Too many Muslims have a blood-thirsty mob mentality going on right now – there is a serious lack of mercy in their hearts and calm and reasoned thinking in their minds. They want to chop off hands – that is the problem – I find this frightening as well.

    The Koran demands that all Muslims emulate the life of Mohamed. Mohamed was blood thirsty and so are the blood thirsty Muslims you mention here.

    • Replies: @Talha
  458. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Jews wreak of the worst kind of hypocrisy…

    While desecration of a cemetery is a despicable act, one wonders if any of these people bothered to voice their concerns over the desecration and paving under of a Muslim cemetery in Jerusalem. And if Zevit is concerned about the “systematic approach” taken by the vandals in Philadelphia (who damaged a mere 100 graves) he should stop and reflect that it doesn’t even begin to hold a candle to the “systematic approach” taken by the Israelis at the Mamilla Cemetery. Here is a bit from Wikipedia:

    Mamilla Cemetery is a historic Muslim cemetery located just to the west of the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem, Israel.[1][2]The cemetery, at the center of which lies the Mamilla Pool, contains the remains of figures from the early Islamic period,[3]several Sufi shrines and Mamluk-era tombs.[1] The cemetery grounds also contain the bodies of thousands of Christians killed in the pre-Islamic era, as well as several tombs from the time of the Crusades.

    Its identity as an Islamic cemetery is noted by Arab and Persian writers as early as the 11th century.[4] It was used as a burial site up until 1927 when the Supreme Muslim Council decided to preserve it as a historic site.[1]

    Following the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, the cemetery and other waqfproperties in West Jerusalem fell under the control of Israeligovernmental bodies.[5] A number of buildings, a road and other public facilities, such as a park, a parking lot and public lavatories have since been constructed on the cemetery grounds, destroying grave markers and tombs. A plan to build a Museum of Tolerance on part of the cemetery grounds, announced in 2004, aroused much controversy and faced several stop work orders before being given final approval in July 2011.
    The “Musem of Tolerance” mentioned by Wikipedia is a facility the Simon Wiesenthal Center is seeking to build in Jerusalem as a companion to its museum of the same name in Los Angeles. Ironically the Simon Wiesenthal Center is among those now expressing concern over the vandalization of Jewish cemeteries in the US.

    “Attacking a cemetery, especially one that is all-Jewish, all-Catholic, or whatever it is, is basically an attack on the culture, the identity of the people that cemetery represents,” Aaron Brietbart, a Simon Wiesenthal researcher, told the Washington Post following the attack on the Jewish cemetery in Missouri.

    Compare Brietbart’s remarks to those of another Simon Wiesenthal official, Rabbi Marvin Hier, who insisted to the BBC in 2008 that construction of the Museum of Tolerance–on top of the Mamilla Cemetery–was an appropriate use of “derelict land.”

    “Jerusalem is a city built on top of thousands of bones – Jewish and Muslim,” Hier said. “If we declared the whole of Jerusalem one huge cemetery, we’d never be able to build anything.”

    The Museum of Tolerance seems to be rather aptly named–since what we are being ordered to show tolerance for in large part is the Simon Wiesenthal Center’s hypocrisy.

    You’ll also note–in the tweet above–that the Anne Frank Center demands President Trump “deliver a prime-time nationally televised speech, live from the Oval Office, on how you intend to combat not only #Antisemitism and #Islamophobia and other rising forms of hate.”

    All well and good perhaps, but why doesn’t the Anne Frank Center seem concerned about the Islamophobia running rampant in the state of Israel? Surely apartheid, walls, occupation, home demolitions, and cemetery desecrations are not part of the “kinder and fairer world of which Anne Frank dreamed.”

    Perhaps instead of delivering a live speech from the Oval Office on anti-Semitism or Islamophobia, Trump should call his advisors together to develop a national strategy for dealing with the Jewish inability to self-reflect.

    And finally, one other point before closing: the fact that Muslims in America have raised money to help pay for damage done by vandals at Jewish cemeteries is, in light of attacks upon the Mamilla Cemetery in Jerusalem, ironic to say the least. After the destruction at the cemetery in Missouri, US Muslims rallied with a very successful crowdfunding campaign. Now it seems they are doing it again. Here is what is being reported by CNN:

    Once again, dozens of Jewish headstones have been vandalized, stoking fears of heightened anti-Semitism. And once again, members of the Muslim community are rallying to help.

    http://uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com/2017/03/2nd-jewish-cemetery-vandalized-but.html?m=1

    • Replies: @Anon
  459. Talha says:
    @Clyde

    DWMT DMWT.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  460. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @John Chard

    1 “ndeed, disgusted by— ethnocentrism, in this case a Jew wondering whether certain policies are good” But the polices are coming from the same group who marketed Libya Syrian and Iraq wars

    2″’m just curious, do you also believe in the principle of collective guilt as it applies to Europeans, or just Jews?” How did you reach this conclusion?

    3 “Google search and Wikipedia perusal to see if your claims were easily disproved. Mercer apparently opposed the Libya and Iraq interventions and has long criticized neoconservatism (Wiki credits her with coming up with Steve Sailer’s beloved “invade the world/invite the world” framing.) ”

    If that were the case , why doesn’t she lambast the current polices of Likudnik in Israel and the western appendages thriving and doing incalculable damages to the rest of world including damages to US-UK

    4 Why this entire article on about Muslims threatening Jews when the opposite is true ? Is not she plainly lying through her teeth?

    5 If she wants to show some authenticity about her previous railing against neoconservatives, may be she should alarm and educate the American public of the risks of damages and risks of wars ,risks of terrorism from Iran obsession , and speak loudly against current inertia of we allowing the canard emanating from AIPAC ADL JINSA Israel and local neoocns against Iran and against Iran deal and let those lies shape the government policies.

  461. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @John Chard

    About you collective guilt

    “SEE: “Israeli diplomat in Berlin: Maintaining German guilt about Holocaust helps Israel” | By Nir Gontarz | Haaretz.com | Jun. 25, 2015

    [EXCERPT] A spokeswoman for the Israeli embassy in Berlin recently told Israeli journalists it was in the country’s interest to maintain German guilt about the Holocaust, and that it isn’t seeking full normalization of relations between the governments.

    Embassy spokeswoman Adi Farjon made the comments in a closed briefing session with journalists at the embassy.

    “We were all in shock,” said a female journalist present at the briefing. “The spokeswoman clearly said it was an Israeli interest to maintain German guilt feelings. She even said that without them, we’d be just another country as far as they’re concerned.”

    Others present at the event confirmed the journalist’s account.

    Some added that the Israeli ambassador himself, Yakov Hadas-Handelsman, was present for some of the briefing, as were other embassy workers who don’t speak Hebrew. Another journalist commented, “It was so awkward. We couldn’t believe our ears. We’re sitting there eating peanuts, and behind the spokeswoman there are two German women sitting there who don’t understand a word of Hebrew – and the embassy staff is telling us they’re working to preserve the German guilt feelings and that Israel has no interest in normalization of relations between the two countries.”

    “I don’t remember saying that,” Farjon told Haaretz in response. “I can’t vouch for any particular quote, she added. “It was an off-the-record conversation, a briefing talk. The way I speak with Israeli journalists is a little different. These things aren’t intended to get out. I can’t reveal the principles I work by. For example, I don’t say who I go to in order to get good stories out here, or who I pay for things like that.” . . .

    ENTIRE ARTICLE – http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.662962

    quoting the comment of LewisDickerson March 1, 2017, 12:53 pmLewisDickerson March 1, 2017, 12:53 pm http://mondoweiss.net/2017/03/palestine-colonialism-academic/

  462. Seraphim says:
    @Sam Shama

    It is best to send you to the Wikipedia entry: Samaritan Pentateuch:

    “The Samaritan Pentateuch, also known as the Samaritan Torah (Hebrew: תורה שומרונית torah shomronit), is a text of the first five books of the Hebrew Bible, written in the Samaritan alphabet and used as a scripture by the Samaritans. It constitutes their entire biblical canon.
    Some six thousand differences exist between the Samaritan and the Masoretic Text. Most are minor variations in the spelling of words or grammatical constructions, but others involve significant semantic changes, such as the uniquely Samaritan commandment to construct an altar on Mount Gerizim. Nearly two thousand of these textual variations agree with the Koine Greek Septuagint and some are shared with the Latin Vulgate. Throughout their history, Samaritans have made use of translations of the Samaritan Pentateuch into Aramaic, Greek and Arabic as well as liturgical and exegetical works based upon it.
    It first became known to the Western world in 1631, proving the first example of the Samaritan alphabet and sparking an intense theological debate regarding its relative age versus the Masoretic text. Some Pentateuchal manuscripts discovered among the Dead Sea Scrolls have been identified as bearing a “pre-Samaritan” text type. Wide agreement now exists among textual critics that the Samaritan Pentateuch represents an authentic ancient textual tradition despite the presence of some unique variants introduced by the Samaritans…
    The earliest recorded assessments of the Samaritan Pentateuch are found in rabbinical literature and Christian patristic writings of the first millennium CE. The Talmud records Rabbi Eleazar b. Simeon condemning the Samaritan scribes: “You have falsified your Pentateuch…and you have not profited aught by it.” Some early Christian writers found the Samaritan Pentateuch useful for textual criticism. Cyril of Alexandria, Procopius of Gaza and others spoke of certain words missing from the Jewish Bible, but present in the Samaritan Pentateuch. Eusebius of Caesarea wrote that the “Greek translation [of the Bible] also differs from the Hebrew, though not so much from the Samaritan” and noted that the Septuagint agrees with the Samaritan Pentateuch in the number of years elapsed from Noah’s Flood to Abraham….
    The publication of a manuscript of the Samaritan Pentateuch in 17th-century Europe reawakened interest in the text and fueled a controversy between Protestants and Roman Catholics over which Old Testament textual traditions are authoritative. Roman Catholics showed a particular interest in the study of the Samaritan Pentateuch on account of the antiquity of the text and its frequent agreements with the Septuagint and the Latin Vulgate, two Bible translations to which Catholics have traditionally ascribed considerable authority. Some Catholics including Jean Morin, a Jesuit-convert from Calvinism to Catholicism, argued that the Samaritan Pentateuch’s correspondences with the Latin Vulgate and Septuagint indicated that it represents a more authentic Hebrew text than the Masoretic. Several Protestants replied with a defense of the Masoretic text’s authority and argued that the Samaritan text is a late and unreliable derivation from the Masoretic…”

    There is more, of course, but I think you may be able to find out yourself.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  463. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    BBC apologises after Chief Rabbi blames Iran for Gaza conflict
    The BBC has apologised to Lord Sacks, the Chief Rabbi, after he suggested the conflict in Gaza was fuelled by tensions over Iran when caught off guard on live radio.

    Mr Davis said: “Jonathan, before you go, you know, any thoughts on what’s going on over in Israel and Gaza at the moment?”

    Lord Sacks sighed, before replying: “I think it has got to do with Iran, actually.”

    Mr Davis’s co-presenter, Sarah Montague, was clearly concerned that Lord Sacks did not seem to know his remarks were still being broadcast and could be heard to whisper: “We, we’re live.”

    Lord Sacks then swiftly adopted a more formal broadcasting manner and suggested the crisis demanded “a continued prayer for peace, not only in Gaza but for the whole region”. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/9682850/BBC-apologises-after-Chief-Rabbi-blames-Iran-for-Gaza-conflict.html

    Chief Rabbi Lord Sacks blames Iran for Gaza conflict on Radio 4 …
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/…/Chief-Rabbi-Lord-Sacks-blames-Iran-Gaza-conflict-Radio-4.ht.

    Chief Rabbi blames Iran for Israel- Gaza conflict, live on BBC radio …
    https://www.thejc.com/…/chief-rabbi-blames-iran-for-israel-gaza-conflict-live-on-bbc

    BBC apologizes to UK chief rabbi for asking him about Gaza when he …
    http://www.timesofisrael.com › Israel & the Region

    This captures essence of the Zionism at every level. Lie,distort,shift blame again, when caught lying shame the person who exposed the liar, and above all do all of above to get someone else wage war ( on Iran ) so that you can keep on waging wars on powerless and keep on lying so that you get more free money and free arms .

    This great enlightened author seeks the reasons of the Muslim hatred in some documents hidden in 7th century and she keeps her moral compass flexibly bent to the direction she wants the misinformed , misguided,and ill educated travel to in search of peace and prosperity .

  464. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    “Jews wreak of the worst kind of hypocrisy…”

    That’s ‘reek’, you dummy. You are giving antisemites a bad name.

    • LOL: Talha
    • Replies: @iffen
  465. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    During the Iran-Iraq war, U.S.-Iraqi relations had warmed, as the U.S. found it useful to “tilt” toward Iraq. Following the war, however, there were moves within the United States Congress to isolate Iraq diplomatically and economically over concerns about human rights violations, its dramatic military build-up, and hostility to Israel. Opposition to the regime in Iraq was thus shared by many on the left-wing as well as some neoconservatives, most prominently Paul Wolfowitz. These moves were disowned by high-ranking US senators like Robert Dole, who told Iraqi President Hussein that “Congress does not represent U.S. President George H. W. Bush or the government” and that Bush would veto any move toward sanctions against Iraq. (From the Iraqi transcript of the meeting, as published in Sifry et al, 1991.) http://www.sheppardsoftware.com/Middleeastweb/factfile/Unique-facts-MiddleEast10.htm

    Saudis is trying to appease the Zionist beast without realizing how the entrails of theZionism work. After Iran is done, Lebanon has been disappeared,Syria has broken into thousands pieces the Saudis will find their asset frozen, leadership exposed holding the porno magazines while huddled into the bosoms of the prostitutes from Russia and their human rights record coming down as bludgeons on their chests .

    Hope and wishes don’t count towards good outcome How could the Saudis forget the rantings of Luttwak in 1970s that Saudis should be attacked and oils be seized ? How could they forget the writings of Dore Gold? How could they forget the power point presentations of Richard Perle in Defense Policy Board at pentagon?

    How could they not see the writings on the wall “The Neocons’ Anti-Saudi Campaign–Hudson Institute-Richard Perle, Max Singer, Donald Kagan, and Dan Quayle,Richard Perle, Max Singer, Donald Kagan, and Dan Quayle,— http://www.counterpunch.org/2003/08/08/on-terrorism-methodism-saudi-quot-wahhabism-quot-and-the-censored-9-11-report/

    Saudis are buying time to escape the bite of the Zionism The venom only is getting stronger .

  466. iffen says:
    @Anon

    You are giving antisemites a bad name.

    That would be an upgrade.

  467. Clyde says:
    @Talha

    There is no profit in false belief in a false Prophet. Nullity numpty Muslims know this the best.

    • Replies: @Talha
  468. MEexpert says:

    There is no profit in false belief in a false Prophet. Nullity numpty Muslims know this the best.

    And you know he is a false Prophet, How, O almighty Clyde?

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  469. Talha says:
    @Clyde

    Oh no – you typed stuff…I guess it must be true. I think there’s a frat party going on in Sailer’s thread you oughta join them.

    What part of “Don’t waste my time” don’t you understand?

  470. Seraphim says:
    @MEexpert

    One example is when Muhammad lies about the Scriptures which he was supposed to confirm:

    “And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah .” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain”.(Sura 4, 157).
    How could Christians believe him? They saw immediately that he was an impostor. A false prophet.

    • Replies: @KA
    , @MEexpert
  471. Sam Shama says:
    @Seraphim

    Thanks. A few years back I had attempted to read the Samaritan Torah, but it proved too difficult given the significant linguistic differences and an all too prevalent lack of vocalisation, which otherwise might’ve provided clues when precise scholarly guidance was absent.

    That was the principal reason for my previous question as to the extent of any Hebrew rabbinical doctoring of parts relating to Jesus. Were these possibly contradicted by the Samaritan texts? Noting that these texts stretched past Hadrian in the fifty chapters devoted to their version of the Book of Joshua, which while it lacks canonical authority is likely better history.

    • Replies: @iffen
  472. KA says:
    @Seraphim

    Christianity was riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies from the begining Gospel dont agree with one another Gospels doesn’t agree with itslef contradicting later in another quotes . Church fathers could not agree Church fathers in same church could not agree on one theory about anything spiritual or temporal. Even the death of the Jesus as portrayed was different and the story of the resurrection continued to resurrect in many forms . It was hilarious . It was confusing to the faithful

    At one time the disagreements were so powerful, widespread and representative of identity that had you asked for the price of a produce , the seller would ask you ” Is Christ the Son of the God or is he the God – one substance or made of one substance ” ( to paraphrase a historian of Christianity )

    Islam did not try to prove or disprove the validity of a historical or unhistorical event .Koran talks of the treatment of the Jews in Egypt to validate the universal concept of the justice mercy and fair treatment irrespective of geography ethnicity or status of life in foreign land . One may not agree with the historicity of the flight of the Jews from Egypt Like someone will today may refer to Holocaust and draw universal conclusion that it should never be allowed to happen One may or may not agree with the details of the Holocaust

  473. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    lacks canonical authority is likely better history

    Talha’s influence?

    I can’t see the value of using history to strengthen one’s faith.

    Do you want to know if the Sarmaritan Torah is the “real” Torah?

    Suppose you are a believer and you find contradictory history, what then?

    What if we find that the Gospel of Judas really is the true Gospel? What then?

    If you set your faith equal to history, you set yourself up to let history dictate your faith.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  474. @KA

    “Christianity was riddled with contradictions and inconsistencies since the beginning… hilarious, confusing the people.”

    O my Jesus. A prophet, with the kernel of Truth in hand, has arisen on The Unz Review — KA!!

    As a Byzantine Catholic, & with submission to KA’s inspired words, later on, I will my give all my Thomas Merton books the “Fahrenheit 451” treatment!

    To iffen: Good thing for you that you’re not inside my St.Anthony of The Desert sandals now! Fortunately, the Zionists have saved your world view from ridicule and confusion. Since I lived the past six (6) decades minus KA’s wisdom, below I make a 1st step to repentance and provide a “link” to a historical article on Christian-Zionism.

    https://us.icej.org/media/history-christian-zionism

    (Bah) I see no reason to be menaced by both C.S. Lewis’s & Saint Augustine’s wisdom any longer, and now is the hour to get anchored in John Hagee’s “Made in Battery Park” museum-boat.

  475. RobinG says:
    @KA

    “….someone…. may refer to Holocaust and draw universal conclusion that it should never be allowed to happen One may or may not agree with the details of the Holocaust.”

    Quite. I was brought up in church (Sunday School, Youth Fellowship, all that stuff). From early childhood, I understood that these were stories used to impart compassion, morality, maybe wisdom. The key word is ‘stories’ (as in the song, “tell me the stories of Jesus”).

    Many years later, it came as something of a shock that so many people actually take it all literally. Still does.

  476. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    You are right of course that Faith does not require historical corroboration. A good portion of Faith is faith paid to the words, advice and wisdom of rabbis or the clergy.

    Mostly a matter of intellectual curiosity, I merely wanted to discover what if anything the Samaritan Torah speaks regarding Christ, his influence in Samaritan teachings, and so forth. ‘Doctored allusions to Christ’ were strong words used by Seraphim, for which I wondered if she/he had any direct evidence from a parallel text, the Torah Shomronit in this case.

    Samaritans I’ve met in North Israel, afaik/r, do not allude to Christ’s preachings. I could be wrong.

    • Replies: @iffen
  477. Ben Frank says:

    Islam is a militaristic cult fighting to dominate the world. It merges church and state, and treats non-members as subhuman.

    Nazism is a militaristic cult fighting to dominate the world. It merges church and state, and treats non-members as subhuman.

    So why do Jews want to flood the US with Islam?

    • Replies: @RobinG
    , @Anon-og
  478. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    You are right of course that Faith does not require historical corroboration. A good portion of Faith is faith paid to the words, advice and wisdom of rabbis or the clergy.

    Yes, I find it interesting to compare the approach that I had to my faith to Talha’s approach and it seems yours. There are two ways one can use this transitive property with faith and empiricism. Talha starts now and goes back through trusted scholars to the beginning and then makes his leap into the supernatural. I did it the other way around. I accepted the supernatural nature of Jesus then made the transitive power work coming forward to the scholars and religious leaders down to me and my time. Unless you are a materialist you have to take the leap at one end or the other of the equation.

    Samaritans I’ve met in North Israel, afaik/r, do not allude to Christ’s preachings. I could be wrong.

    Wouldn’t that be a miniscule part of their Torah of which the average person would be unaware? Aren’t we talking about a few words or short phrases that only a top of the line scholar would be able to notice?

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @Sam Shama
  479. RobinG says:
    @Ben Frank

    Why did the Zionists want to flood Germany with Nazism?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  480. Anon-og [AKA "Mike Johnson"] says:
    @Ben Frank

    Christianity doesn’t separate church and state either, if followed properly. Religion is either all or its nothing.

    • Replies: @Anon
  481. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon-og

    Sort of. It’s rather complicated (actually it really isn’t, but attempting to express it in terms such as church vs. state will make it so).

    See for instance the well known encyclical of Leo XIII, Immortale Dei.

  482. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @iffen

    To save you reading time I provided a video ” Hitler Founded Israel”

    I didn’t want to scare you with the “Forbidden News Designation” or give you justification for you not to learn about a subject you assumed objectionable.

    I assigned the Transfer Agreement to the category ” Fordidden News” for the following reasons.

    I don’t know any Gentile, regardless of their level of education, who has knowledge of the Transfer Agreement.

    If the Transfer Agreement supported the Zionist cause or gained additional sympathy for the victims of the Holocaust, Americans would have been subjected to non-stop reruns on the Zio History Channel every time Israel suffers a setback in the UN.

    Now you have time to post more nonsensible responses.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=the+transfer+agreement+video&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

    • Replies: @RobinG
  483. Seraphim says:
    @KA

    The gravest danger is not ignorance, but this kind of semi-erudition (itself half-digested) which makes you incapable to detect sophistry and infuse the ignorant with aggressive ‘righteousness’ and contempt for the ‘stupid’. It is actually this semi-knowledge which led to the ‘discovery’ of the so-called contradictions in the Gospels and the fabrication of ‘true’ Gospels to suit the heresiarchs prejudices. Don’t flatter yourself that you ‘discovered’ the ‘contradictions’ of the Gospels, of the Fathers. You just have the ‘conditioned reflex’ (like Pavlov’s dog) to regurgitate the false ideas hammered in your head by the intense atheistic brainwashing, whenever a discussion about religion comes about. It makes you appear clever and ‘cool’ in your own eyes.
    It is what happened to Mahomed who pretended to ‘correct’ the beliefs of the Jews and Christians (OT, NT) invoking the ‘true’ Scriptures of the Jews and Christians, which he never saw, let alone read (he was illiterate), and presenting it in ‘simple’ sentences for the simpletons who had difficulties using their own heads. Those who did use their heads and saw through the con trick were in grave danger to lose them!

    • Replies: @KA
  484. @iffen

    “I did it the other way around. I accepted the supernatural nature of Jesus then made the transitive power work coming forward to the scholars and religious leaders down to me and my time.”

    iffen:

    I note you posted the nonsensical sentence (above) at 9:48 p.m. I trust that the bartender noticed a happy glaze in your eyes while you tapped away on a laptop, and cut your drinks?

    I am anxious to read Sam Shama’s response to your weird question, “Wouldn’t that be a miniscule part (hiccup) of which the average person (burp) would be unaware (hiccup)?”

    Meanwhile, “iffen,” given your hangover is not too bad, and you’re feeling up to it, I attached a letter (below) written to Mohandas Gandhi. by the great Jewish philosopher, Martin Buber. Warning: Because M. Buber idealistically championed a real peace with Palestinians, I advise that you seek Sam Shama’s permission before you “take a leap” and partake in “solid” spiritual food.

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/martin-buber-s-open-letter-to-gandhi-regarding-palestine

    post scriptum: (Phew, a close one, iffen!) I am sort of glad that “Anonymous” forgot to link the video clip on Hitler & the creation of Israel. I really worry about Sam Shama’s general mental condition, including an obsession to bar truthful history from corroborating with his anti-Palestinian faith.

  485. RobinG says:
    @Anonymous

    FYI – Anatoly Karlin has forbidden discussion of whether anyone (else) questions the official Holocaust narrative. First time I’ve been deleted at Unz!

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Anatoly Karlin
  486. Speaking of the ADL:
    Jewish groups such as the ADL have long denied the Christian Armenian genocide committed by Turkey until perhaps very, very recently while at the same time asking everyone to honor the holocaust.

    The hypocrisy of the ADL and others of its ilk is astounding.

    • Replies: @iffen
  487. iffen says:
    @Anon e. Mouse

    It was a Jew who created the term genocide to describe the Armenian massacre you ignorant POS.

    • Agree: Sam Shama
    • Replies: @geokat62
  488. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    First, this I say without qualification; that my faith in G’d and His Torah stands precisely because pure logic and rationalisation fall pitifully inadequate in explaining so much that is so beautiful, so profound that we can only get fleeting glimpses through His inspiration:

    ברוך אתה ה’ א‑לוהינו, מלך העולם, פוקח עורים.

    Blessed are you, Lord our God, King of the universe, who restores the eyes of the blind.

    And I truly believe that. Science, Mathematics and Logic have not begun to make anything beyond mere scratches on the surface.

    I had written this previously: http://www.unz.com/tsaker/the-ancient-spiritual-roots-of-russophobia/#comment-1639281 and an interesting discussion had followed.

    It is indeed squarely in the jurisdiction of biblical scholars to study the names of Hashem which is every word of the Torah, to attempt and find meaning for each in the different layers. Have we cracked it yet? I think we get closer each day we read the Book; and no, the average person wouldn’t have a clue yet they can find contentment I believe, simply by believing…

    • Replies: @iffen
  489. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG

    I am not sure; Ilana deleted my comment noting Rehmat’s holiday En famille chèvre at a couples-only resort in Afghanistan.

  490. MEexpert says:
    @Seraphim

    One example is when Muhammad lies about the Scriptures which he was supposed to confirm:

    This is your first mistake. Qur’an was to supersede both the Old and New Testaments , not to confirm them. Muhammad (pbuh) brought his own laws which negated the previous revelations and laws.

    By the time Prophet Muhammad came the scriptures had been corrupted. The Old Testament was already corrupted when Jesus came. He was also given a scripture with its own laws. Unfortunately, the copy of that scripture is completely lost thanks to the usual culprits. The New Testament is not the scripture Jesus was given. Just look at the style of writing. It is in the third person. Both Qur’an and to some extent the Old Testaments are direct quotes from God.

    In Islam there are two books that Muslims follow. One is the Qur’an, which is the word of God and the other is Hadith, i.e. the sayings of the Prophet. The New Testament is a collection of sayings of Jesus. It contains books that were written after he was gone, by some of his disciples and some people who were not his disciples. The Gospel of Barnabas, who was one of his closest disciples, has been rejected by the church because it does not agree with the official narrative of the church. Actually, it matches with Qur’anic version of events about Jesus. Furthermore, the present New Testament was translated from Greek Bible and many meanings have been lost in the translation.

    The coming of Muhammad (pbuh) has been prophesied in both the Old and the New Testaments. Both Moses and Jesus told their people before leaving this world that another Prophet is to come. Actually, Jesus even gave his name as “Ahmad.” Ahmad is one of the names of the prophet. Since the bible is a translation from Greek, Ahmad or Achmet means comforter. That is why you see the word comforter in Jesus’ statement.

    In the Old Testament:

    Deuteronomy 18:

    18. I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

    19: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

    and in the New Testament:

    John 16:

    7. Nevertheless I tell you the truth, it is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

    8. And when He is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment.

    13. Howbeit when he, the spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth; for he shall not speak of himself, but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak; and he will shew you things to come.

    And in Qur’an,

    Chapter 53: Verses 2,3, and 4.

    Your companion (Muhammad) has neither deviated nor has he erred. Nor does he speak from his own desire. It (the Qur’an) is not but a revelation revealed.

    Your other comments:

    “And [for] their saying, “Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah .” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain”.(Sura 4, 157).

    Qur’an is the word of God revealed to Prophet Muhammad. Since it superseded the older scriptures, it does not matter what others said. This is the true and final word of God. God has challenged every one to bring even one chapter like it, if they believe that it is not his words but that of a man. That was almost 1500 years ago. God say in

    Chapter 15, verse 9:

    Indeed, it is we who have sent down the Qur’an and indeed, we will be its guardian.

    So if you feel you can come up with one, go ahead and try it. Don’t think people haven’t tried or even now trying alter it.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  491. iffen says:
    @Sam Shama

    pure logic and rationalisation fall pitifully inadequate in explaining so much that is so beautiful

    Sure, as long as you ignore that lumpy pile of ugly under the rug.

  492. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Sam Shama

    “So, do you want to repeat your query?”

    No… you did an excellent job. You did exactly what I needed you to do.

    However, the purpose of my query of the coins was to open a discussion about the Transfer Agreement and to expose the collaboration between the NAZIs and Zionists.

    Why…. I put the Transfer Agreement and the coins commemorating the cooperation between the Germans and Jews, in the category of Forbidden News because most people do not know the Germans assisted
    Jewish settlement in Israel.

    Why isn’t it well known?

    It doesn’t support the Jewish genocide story?

    It hurts the image of the Zionists?

    Why isn’t the Transfer Agreement ever shown on the Zio History Channel?

    For those who want to learn more about the Transfer Agreement, see the attached.

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_weber.html

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
  493. KA says:
    @Seraphim

    It seems I have touched some raw nerve of ignorance . That’s why I suggest that you get the fact before you try to analyze . I am not here to to bolster or support or nurture any claims made by Prophet Muhammad . He ahs done his job.
    Take this message home- if you thought Prophet of Islam had corrupted NT then I would like just to add to the fact that NT was already pretty corrupted by those who wrote it down first time . Now digest it and dwell on it for rest of your life

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  494. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    It was a Jew who created the term genocide to describe the Armenian massacre you ignorant POS.

    While that particular Jew did a noble thing, it is also true that the ADL worked overtime to preclude the US congress from passing a resolution that recognized the AG.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Chuck Orloski
  495. Seraphim says:
    @MEexpert

    @Qur’an was to supersede both the Old and New Testaments , not to confirm them

    If so, what is then the meaning of that utterance of the man:
    “O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you” (Sura 4, 47)?

    Clearly, he intends to deceive his listeners that he believed what they believed, while in fact intending to change it. That is simply the definition of the liar.
    To ‘believe’ in the ‘Gospel’ of Barnabas is a sign of serious psychological disturbance which requires medical attention. Not that the ‘first person’ talk of the Koran shows anything else than a mind overheated by excessive exposure to the sun heat. Nor that the coming of Mahomed was prophesied anywhere else than in the imagination of ‘ME experts’ overheated by the same overexposure to the sun heat. These people should be rather ‘Quran-tined’ in that ‘ME’ desert where they come from and kept from annoying the rest of the world with their ridiculously childish babbling (which turn murderous when they take themselves too seriously). With the technological advances in air-conditioning it would be even a pleasurable experience (as in Dubai, for example).

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @MEexpert
  496. Seraphim says:
    @KA

    You think too much of yourself.

  497. iffen says:
    @geokat62

    it is also true that the ADL worked overtime to preclude the US congress from passing a resolution

    Turkey is part of the Jew-matrix now?

    Besides, one of the points of this article is that sometimes some Jews get their politics in a wad.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @geokat62
  498. iffen says:

    Seraphim says:
    March 4, 2017 at 12:23 am GMT • 200 Words

    The gravest danger is not ignorance, but this kind of semi-erudition (itself half-digested) which makes you incapable to detect sophistry and infuse the ignorant with aggressive ‘righteousness’ and contempt for the ‘stupid’. It is actually this semi-knowledge which led to the ‘discovery’ of the so-called contradictions in the Gospels and the fabrication of ‘true’ Gospels to suit the heresiarchs prejudices.

    al-Jahiz says:
    9th century

    Christians, he complained, hunt down what is contradictory in our traditions, our reports with a suspect line of transmission and the ambiguous verses of our scripture. Then they single out the weak-minded among us and question our common people concerning these things…and they will often address themselves to the learned and powerful among us, causing dissension among the mighty and confusing the weak.23

    Jenkins, John Philip. The Lost History of Christianity: The Thousand-Year Golden Age of the Church in the Middle East, Africa, and Asia–and How It Died (p. 112). HarperCollins. Kindle Edition.

  499. Sam Shama says:
    @RobinG

    That’s no different from asking: why did the Puritans flood America with Atheism?

  500. Talha says:
    @Seraphim

    Hey Seraphim,

    Clearly, he intends

    To make things clear, from our perspective. It was this verse that convinced one of the rabbis in Madinah, Abdullah ibn Salam (ra), to convert (according to the tafsir of Imam Suyuti [ra]) – so it seems some people understood its message.

    Now can you knock off this theological debate? It’s detracting the core subject matter and nobody is going to ‘win’ this belief tug-o-war. On top of that, your replies do not flatter your side; you ignore rational responses, insult their intelligence or respond as you did in #411 (which I can only interpret as a tantrum).

    Let’s give it a rest, eh?

    Peace.

    Note: Your insights into the Samaritan Bible were great, I learned a lot. Also, you get points for the word “Quran-tined” – that was pretty cool.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Seraphim
  501. Sam Shama says:
    @iffen

    Besides, one of the points of this article is that sometimes some Jews get their politics in a wad.

    Forsooth, I endeavour to strike the Jew, so why dost thou bringeth finer points in the discussion?!

    🙂

    • Replies: @Art
    , @iffen
  502. geokat62 says:
    @iffen

    Turkey is part of the Jew-matrix now?

    Ask Sam… someplace where no one else can hear.

  503. MEexpert says:
    @Seraphim

    Typical loser behavior. When all else fails start calling names and childish babbling. Did you even understand what I wrote? I think it went over your head.

    Obviously, you don’t even know your own bible. The passages were taken out of your bible not from my imagination. If you don’t know anything, don’t take part in this discussion. This place is not for children. I am not going to waste my time with you.

    By the way, I don’t think you even heard about the “Gospel of Barnabas” before?

    As an elderly advice, go check out what I wrote with your minister or priest, if you have one.

    • Replies: @Chuck Orloski
    , @Seraphim
  504. @geokat62

    “… it’s also true that the ADL worked overtime to preclude the US congress from passing a resolution that recognized the AG.”

    Dear geokat62,

    Your comments are an example of what I consider what’s made The Unz Review Great, Now.

    Along such line, and speaking with extreme respect, I am befuddled as to why you decide to reply to “iffen’s” childlike nonsense, and leave a truly great comment like “Anonymous” offered (# 501) behind the Hindenberg Line?

    Please tell me, geokat62, that you’re too busy with other topics and subsequently you’re unable to consider why the great majority of Americans have no knowledge about the “Transfer Agreement”! I will understand.

    Otherwise, since the early 1980’s, I have read quite a lot of WW II history, including the Pat Buchanan’s book (2008) titled “Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War.”

    Although I honor Mr. Buchanan’s book, I intuit that commenters like for 1-example, SolontoCroesus, would consider the fine historical work especially helpful for upstart “beginners,” who afterward can begin to probe into such “Third Rail” (Zio-Thought Crime) like the “Transfer Agreement. ” It troubles me that “Anonymous” (501) even brought his vital point down to a basic level that even Nancy Pelosi could understand by asking why there’s no “History Channel” special offered on “The Transfer Agreement”

    The entire world including the USA is awakening to the fact that there is something immorally wrong with the pervasive Zionist teaching on 1930’s and World War II Germany. The U.S. population is so sickeningly brain washed that the great majority gets riled about Russian influence upon America, and can not see the sinister Zionist influence upon the quality of how citizens think about both history and current events.

    I know you look at matters with both sincerity and objectivity, geokat62. So, below I attach yesterday’s Wall Street Journal article, quite cleverly titled, “German Right takes Aim At Wartime Guilt.” Focused upon the worthy political activity of “The Alternative for Germany” (AfD), casual U.S. reader would be prompted to entirely miss the fact that AfD members have “had it” with the effective anti-German lies disseminated worldwide by the Zionist “Victors.”

    Geokat — It will be difficult to read the (linked) W.S.J. article because of the need for one to “sign in.” However, the article begins, “The draft budget for the state of Baden-Wurttemberg set aside $69,000 this year for educational trips to “memorials of National Socialist injustice.”

    For your information, and I come in peace, my older son (Dan) graduated high school in Summer 2009. His class trip was to D.C. and he toured the Holocaust museum. Two weeks ago, I tried to tell Dan about Hannah Arendt’s book “The Banality of Evil,” including the critical aid that Elders of Zion gave to the “Nazis” in assisting the round up of Jews into labor camps. At conversation end, I alluded to the “Transfer Agreement” he called me an “anti-semite,” and said, “get off it… I saw the lamp shades made out of human flesh at the Holocaust museum!”

    In America, you can touch, smell, and feel the lying Zionist bullshit. A great price was extracted for intellectual insouciance on 9-11. The W.S.J. article by Anton Troianovski is linked below & I hope the plain spoken “Anonymous” is still hanging around this “thread” to read it. The “Doomsday Clock” ticks-tick, and he’s done The Unz Review a big favor by trying to out the historical truth.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-german-right-believes-its-time-to-discard-their-countrys-historical-guilt-1488467995

    • Replies: @geokat62
  505. @MEexpert

    MEexpert to the o the off key Seraphim: “By the way, I don’t think you heard about the ‘Book of Barnabas’ before?”

    Dear MEexpert:

    I am a Byzantine Catholic born and baptized in Scranton, 1952. Speaking with all due respect, the only Christians I have ever met who both know about and are willing to objectively discuss “The Book of Barnabus” are theology professors, based at the (Jesuit) University of Scranton.

    At any rate, following is a George Orwell quote from the essay “Inside the Whale”: “Literature as we know it is an individual thing, demanding mental honesty and a minimum of censorship.”

    Sadly a great majority of Americans are locked into a “constipating cage of lies,” and in his/her regular Unz Review comments, the poor “Seraphim” actually documents an absence of such vital qualities that Orwell discussed.

    One matter I want to bring to your attention is a 1940 song called “Ilse Koch” that was written by the iconic folk artist, Woody Guthrie. F.Y.I., Woody married a Jewish girl and raised his children among the Coney Island Jew community of the time. The lyrics to “Ilse Koch” are linked below, and (sigh) I fail to understand why Bob Zimmerman Dylan got a Nobel Prize award and Woody Guthrie did not yet get one.

    http://woodyguthrie.org/Lyrics/Ilsa_Koch.htm

    post scriptum: During his younger “honest” & anti-censorship days, I posit that even Sam Shama might have sang along to Guthrie’s big hit “This Land is Your Land.” But today, in his biased impulse to “bringeth forth finer points,” I conclude Sam Shama rejoices about the fact that D.C. land is become Israeli land. So everybody, be happy, and sing, one-two-three, “This American land is Jew land!”

  506. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Talha

    I intended to reply to a number of comments here, which I might do after lunch, or not; their number grows and I weary even of the idea of the task. But briefly, before either of our friends, the angel or the expert, come back … unless the rabbi in question was absurdly credulous, there must have been something more to his conversion. Also, the topic isn’t theology but apologetic. Not that either is a good fit for an Unz comment section. You get points for giving S. points, though.

    Speaking of theology, or rather exegesis, is there a more reasonable reading of the verse cited by the me expert, as opposed to his (rather absurd) literal reading (can he produce a Maxim of Hafiz, or a stanza of The Ballad of the White Horse, or a Song before Sunrise?)* In fact, the following f