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Retired US Army Lieutenant General Michael Flynn’s sin was lying to liars, not colluding with Russians.

When he spoke to Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak, following Donald Trump’s 2016 election, former National Security Advisor Flynn was discharging a perfectly legal and patriotic duty to the electorate.

In a fit of pique, then-President Barack Obama had expelled Russian diplomats from the United States. K. T. McFarland, Flynn’s deputy in the Trump transition team, worried that Obama’s expulsion of the diplomats was aimed at “boxing Trump in diplomatically,” making it impossible for the president to “improve relations with Russia,” a promise he ran on. For her perspicacity, McFarland has since been forced to lawyer-up in fear for her freedom.

To defuse President Obama’s spiteful maneuver, Flynn spoke to Ambassador Kislyak, the upshot of which was that Russia “retaliated” by … inviting US diplomats and their families to the Kremlin for a New Year’s bash.

A jolly good diplomatic success, wouldn’t you say?

Present at the Kislyak meeting was Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law. Kushner likely instructed Flynn to ask Russia to disrupt or delay one of the UN Security Council’s favorite pastimes: passing resolutions denouncing Israeli settlements. Kushner, however, is protected by Daddy and the First Daughter, so getting anything on Jared will be like frisking a seal.

One clue as to the extent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s violations, here, is that Flynn had committed no crime. Laying the cornerstone for the president-elect’s promised foreign policy—diplomacy with Russia—is not illegal.

Perversely, however, lying to the US Federal Government’s KGB (the FBI), a liar in its own right, is illegal.

The US Government enjoys a territorial monopoly over justice. If you doubt this, pray tell to which higher judicial authority can Flynn appeal to have his state-designated “criminal” label reconsidered or rescinded? Where can he go to recover his standing?

Nowhere.

By legislative fiat, the government has turned this decent man and many like him into common criminals.

An easy way for the government to create criminality where there is none is to make it a crime to lie to its agents, in this case the FBI, which is Deep State Central. The object of creating bogus categories of crime, naturally, is to leverage power over adversaries; to scare them.

Likewise was Martha Stewart imprisoned—not for the offense of insider trading, but for lying to her inquisitors. During interrogation, the poor woman had been so intimidated, so scared of conviction—wouldn’t you?—that she fibbed. The lead federal prosecutor in her case was the now-notorious James B. Comey. (See “Insider Trading Or Information Socialism?”)

ORDER IT NOW

This kind of entrapment—the criminalization of the act of lying to the government, in Flynn’s case about a non-crime—is facilitated under the unconstitutional Section 1001 of Title 18, in the United States Code. It makes it an offense to make “a materially false” statement to a federal official—even when one is not under oath.

It’s perfectly fine, however, for said official to bait and bully a private citizen into fibbing. By such tactics, The State has created a category of crime from which a select few are exempt.

Is this equality under the law or inequality under the law?

Section 1001 neatly accommodates a plethora of due-process violations.

Yet another tool in the Deep State toolbox is to lean on family members in order to extract a confession. To get Flynn senior to confess, U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller is purported to have threatened Mike Flynn junior with a legal kneecapping.

Ultimately, The State has overwhelming power when compared to the limited resources and power of an accused. The power differential between The State and an accused means he or she, as the compromised party, will cop a plea.

The Flynn guilty plea bargain, if you will, is nothing more than a negotiated deal which subverts the very goal of justice: the search for truth.

In the process of hammering out an agreement that pacified a bloodthirsty prosecutor, Flynn’s punishment for doing nothing wrong has been reduced. President Trump’s former national security adviser will still have to sell his home to defray the costs of a federal onslaught.

Is this the rule of law, or the law of rule? The question is a rhetorical one.

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Ilana Mercer has been writing a weekly paleolibertarian column since 1999, and is the author of The Trump Revolution: The Donald’s Creative Destruction Deconstructed (June, 2016) & Into the Cannibal’s Pot: Lessons for America From Post-Apartheid South Africa (2011). Follow her on Twitter, Facebook & YouTube.

 
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  1. He said, she said, he lied, she lied, dog barked, and cat miavd.
    Unless they prove that there was a money transfer from Russia or from Trump camp to Wiki leaks,
    all investigation is only waste of time, and waste of money.
    Actually this investigation is a crime against US Government, because it impedes the normal functioning of US government.

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    • Replies: @neutral

    Unless they prove that there was a money transfer from Russia or from Trump camp to Wiki leaks
     
    Even if this is the case, why should this be a big deal? It's hardly a secret that US politicians take bribes, ahem I meant political donations, from Israel, Saudi Arabia, China and probably many others. Before one takes this farce of selectively law enforcement seriously there needs to be a massive cleanup of root and branch of the entire US regime before any of this can be seen as legitimate.
    , @Realist
    miavd???
    , @jacques sheete

    Actually this investigation is a crime against US Government, because it impedes the normal functioning of US government.
     
    Actually this investigation is a crime against taxpayers but not because it impedes the normal functioning of US government.

    Anything that impedes the normal functioning of US government, an entity corrupt to the core, is a blessing to the taxpayers.

    It's a crime against taxpayers because it's a waste of money and a distraction. It may impede the normal function of government, but not by much. Little value for the dollar as usual.
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  2. I fully concur with the commentary. Once the Martha Stewart case went forward and this “law” was not challenged, my view, at that time and since, was that the yankee imperium had entered the post-rule of law era. This is amply shown by the use this “law” has been put to. In the end, it was creeping extra-legal fascism that destroyed the rule of law in the US, not creeping socialism as was feared by certain elements in the ’60s. The existence and enforcement of this provision is an affront to basic decency and the rule of law, and the legitimacy of any state which upholds such an extra-legal provision is non-existent.

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    I fully concur with the commentary.
     
    And I finally concur with the commentary. It must've been ghost written while IM was taking a break.
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
    In other words, special counsels don't find the law and get their man; they get their man and find the law.
    , @Hibernian
    Creeping socialism and creeping fascism go together hand in hand.
    , @Ace
    Progressives destroyed it. Hordes of smart people convinced that their brilliance was enough to resolve all difficulties without having to be hampered by law or simpletons in the voting booth. Hence, living Constitution and propositional nation and diversity and open borders.

    A five-man majority of the Supreme Court tells us what new perversion of nature or common sense we are to, um, swallow.
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  3. geokat62 says:

    Flynn’s Sin Was Lying to Liars, Not Colluding with Russians

    Why not write an article with the title, Kushner’s Sin Was Colluding with Israelis, Not Lying to Liars?

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    • Agree: jacques sheete
    • Replies: @Frankie P
    Because Ms. Mercer's agenda includes diverting attention away from the Israel angle here; we know that Kushner was doing Netanyahu's and Trump's bidding in trying to delay or disrupt the UN Security Council vote. We can be assured that the initiator of the idea was Netanyahu and Israel; Netanyahu, who stayed in little Jared's bedroom when the boy was young and Netanyahu was staying at the Kushner family home, and Israel, recipient of many Kushner donations earmarked for the settlement project. WTF is Kushner doing as Trump's peace process rep? He is more than merely Israel's lawyer; he is a cheerleading donor. Ms. Mercer felt that she had to at least mention the Israel angle, so she did so with a dismissal of the UNSC's action to push that shitty little state on its VIOLATIONS OF INTERNATIONAL LAW, because she knew full well that the truth-tellers here at Unz (she calls them "anti-semites", but hey, most of the polite establishment call truth telling on Israel anti-semitism) would take her to task if she ignored it.
    , @The Alarmist

    "Why not write an article with the title, Kushner’s Sin Was Colluding with Israelis, Not Lying to Liars?"
     
    Didn't Phillip Giraldi recently write that article?

    In merely restating the facts of this particular matter, Ilana misses out on the point that Flynn was into a lot of dubious stuff that would have been far more embarrassing for him and the Trump administration. Taking the plea for lying to the FBI is nothing more than the modern-day equivalent of a Roman falling on his sword.

    , @Russ
    And has the designation of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital by the Trump administration rendered the First Son-In-Law even more impervious to Mueller's minions? Was even more imperviousness even necessary, given the First Son-In-Law's club membership?
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  4. neutral says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    He said, she said, he lied, she lied, dog barked, and cat miavd.
    Unless they prove that there was a money transfer from Russia or from Trump camp to Wiki leaks,
    all investigation is only waste of time, and waste of money.
    Actually this investigation is a crime against US Government, because it impedes the normal functioning of US government.

    Unless they prove that there was a money transfer from Russia or from Trump camp to Wiki leaks

    Even if this is the case, why should this be a big deal? It’s hardly a secret that US politicians take bribes, ahem I meant political donations, from Israel, Saudi Arabia, China and probably many others. Before one takes this farce of selectively law enforcement seriously there needs to be a massive cleanup of root and branch of the entire US regime before any of this can be seen as legitimate.

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  5. Frankie P says:
    @geokat62

    Flynn's Sin Was Lying to Liars, Not Colluding with Russians
     
    Why not write an article with the title, Kushner's Sin Was Colluding with Israelis, Not Lying to Liars?

    Because Ms. Mercer’s agenda includes diverting attention away from the Israel angle here; we know that Kushner was doing Netanyahu’s and Trump’s bidding in trying to delay or disrupt the UN Security Council vote. We can be assured that the initiator of the idea was Netanyahu and Israel; Netanyahu, who stayed in little Jared’s bedroom when the boy was young and Netanyahu was staying at the Kushner family home, and Israel, recipient of many Kushner donations earmarked for the settlement project. WTF is Kushner doing as Trump’s peace process rep? He is more than merely Israel’s lawyer; he is a cheerleading donor. Ms. Mercer felt that she had to at least mention the Israel angle, so she did so with a dismissal of the UNSC’s action to push that shitty little state on its VIOLATIONS OF INTERNATIONAL LAW, because she knew full well that the truth-tellers here at Unz (she calls them “anti-semites”, but hey, most of the polite establishment call truth telling on Israel anti-semitism) would take her to task if she ignored it.

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    Many good points. Excellent.

    Because Ms. Mercer’s agenda includes diverting attention away from the Israel angle here;

     

    While I agree with a lot of what 's said in the article, what's left unsaid is every bit as important. As usual.
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  6. Was this Ilana’s piece? I could have sworn I was reading Alan Dershowitz. Which is not a good thing. Many observers feel Zionist Alan has gone round-the-bend in his analysis.

    Anyone feeling sorry for the wayward General is wasting their psychic energy. First he’s got exposure in several areas. Second, it’s likely he made a great deal with Mueller. Third, he’ll probably get a pardon soon (he’s a great guy you know).

    So the nonsense falls on deaf ears. Flynn didn’t have to lie. He did it for a specific reason which we don’t know yet. And he didn’t have to deal. He could have depended on Trump whilst not rating-out his colleagues (like Manafort). Flynn as his lawyer made clear, “has a story to tell” because he’s guilty.

    So when Flynn was texting during Trump’s inaugural address he was probably just tying up lose ends in various deals, all of which were legit (sure)? Like a potential kidnapping for his client Turkey? Maybe the FBI was complicit in compelling him to do that too. We shall see?

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  7. A weird country, the USA.
    Do not know of any other country that has a law against contacts with a specified other country, a law making it impossible to interfere with price settinng in the pharmaceutical industry, and a law permitting an invasion of the Netherlands, in case a USA citizen is held in The Hague for trial by the International Court, to liberate the accused.

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    A weird country, the USA.
     
    It's actually beyond weird; it's absolutely mind boggling. Utterly twisted. Everything of value has been twisted and perverted beyond anyone's imagination. One huge plastic garbage dump.

    It's a huge corrupt cesspool, yet most people here see nothing but El Dorado and think it's the Savior of the World all rolled into one.

    Trump as prez narrowly beating Hillary in a scam democracy-esque "election" and congress bowing and scraping to Netanyahu pretty much sums it all up perfectly.

    The place is as full of morons as ignorant as they are arrogant, just like the goofy looking, sounding and acting clowns who rule them. It's utterly beyond redemption.

    On another note, can you comment on and/or suggest some good sources for studying the bankers of Amsterdam of the 16th and 17th centuries, including the Dutch West India Co??

    Thanks in advance.

    , @Wizard of Oz
    Interesting. Please elaborate. I am sure I'm not the only UR reader who could use such info - not least when some craven minister in their government is about to roll over for the US to have its tummy tickled and his country's self-respect sold our for nothing.
    , @Ace
    It's true we're weird. But the Dutch seem not to notice that their country is being taken over by Muslims, which is a bit weird too. It's going around like nobody's business.
    , @llloyd
    Also, State laws requiring American companies to trade with Israeli companies. Also a State law requiring Americans to forfeit their religious consciences when in trade.
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  8. @geokat62

    Flynn's Sin Was Lying to Liars, Not Colluding with Russians
     
    Why not write an article with the title, Kushner's Sin Was Colluding with Israelis, Not Lying to Liars?

    “Why not write an article with the title, Kushner’s Sin Was Colluding with Israelis, Not Lying to Liars?”

    Didn’t Phillip Giraldi recently write that article?

    In merely restating the facts of this particular matter, Ilana misses out on the point that Flynn was into a lot of dubious stuff that would have been far more embarrassing for him and the Trump administration. Taking the plea for lying to the FBI is nothing more than the modern-day equivalent of a Roman falling on his sword.

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  9. Realist says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    He said, she said, he lied, she lied, dog barked, and cat miavd.
    Unless they prove that there was a money transfer from Russia or from Trump camp to Wiki leaks,
    all investigation is only waste of time, and waste of money.
    Actually this investigation is a crime against US Government, because it impedes the normal functioning of US government.

    miavd???

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    You! You! You! ............ Cheapskate You never give up anything for free!
    , @norse nestor
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u5Hz_y4fII
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  10. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    Flynn’s sin was to think he could engage in ME diplomacy for Israel and not get caught. When he did, he got tossed under the bus so that the corrupt and savage MSM could keep screaming Russiagate while forgetting to mention that this affair is now IsraeliGate.

    Flynn broke no laws establishing relations with Russia for the incoming president. But when he started lobbying UN members on behalf of Israel, that’s when he crossed the legal line.

    He’s lucky he only got charged with lying.

    But this is how politics play out in the former USA, which is nothing more than a colony of Apartheid Israel, doing the bidding of our Israeli Masters, whether it be fighting endless wars so that Israel can steal more land and water or continually helping Israel commit crimes against humanity in Palestine.

    Next stop, Tehran.

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    But this is how politics play out in the former USA, which is nothing more than a colony of Apartheid Israel, doing the bidding of our Israeli Masters, whether it be fighting endless wars so that Israel can steal more land and water or continually helping Israel commit crimes against humanity in Palestine.
     
    Yup. A nation of Zio-bankster cucks and that includes the vast majority of Jews as well as goyim.

    Many warned us of it when they opposed the Federal Reserve and when the Zio-Bolshie banksters suckered the US into WW 1 & 2 on their behalf, but we never even know their names today, and we have next to nobody telling the truth today.

    ...continually helping Israel commit crimes against humanity in Palestine.
     
    And elsewhere. Wherever the banksters demand control, which is nearly everywhere.

    Those damned cagaderos have turned the whole planet into one big one!!
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  11. I am no fan of American criminal law or its enforcement. They hardly seem to be the kind of adjunct to the “demovracy” the US seeks to export that it will find helpful in the sales pitch. However I am amazed that sophisticated people questioned by the FBI don’t use an equivalent to the Fifth Amendment by saying “I don’t intend to lie to you but refuse to answer any of your questions unless I am immune to prosecution under Section 1001 of Title 18 [maybe adding 'except for denying an act which is itself a crime that I have been told is being investigated']“.

    By the way is it entirely clear that the Logan Act didn’t make what Flynn was doing criminal, ridiculous though that would be?

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  12. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    He said, she said, he lied, she lied, dog barked, and cat miavd.
    Unless they prove that there was a money transfer from Russia or from Trump camp to Wiki leaks,
    all investigation is only waste of time, and waste of money.
    Actually this investigation is a crime against US Government, because it impedes the normal functioning of US government.

    Actually this investigation is a crime against US Government, because it impedes the normal functioning of US government.

    Actually this investigation is a crime against taxpayers but not because it impedes the normal functioning of US government.

    Anything that impedes the normal functioning of US government, an entity corrupt to the core, is a blessing to the taxpayers.

    It’s a crime against taxpayers because it’s a waste of money and a distraction. It may impede the normal function of government, but not by much. Little value for the dollar as usual.

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    • Agree: Z-man
    • Replies: @Z-man

    It’s a crime against taxpayers because it’s a waste of money and a distraction.
     
    Distraction from the the new tax rates that continue to favor the rich and screw the middle class, even more.
    Flynn was a zeolot/flake/whack job that Trump should have jettisoned right after the convention. Due to his loyalty he didn't and it cost him right after he was sworn in. He should have listened to Obama on that one.
    If it was up to Flynn we would already be spending blood and treasure against Iran for the Zionist beast which he Flynn is a puppet of. Unfortunatley Trump is even worse because he has a serpent in the family married to his Christ denying daughter.
    With all that said, I'll still take Trump over Satan, i.e., SHillary, lol!
    , @Anonymous
    This doesn't impede the normal function of Government, whatever the fuck that is. Bread and circuses are what the Government delivers daily in darkness. Look at it this way, this investigation is a new product off the assembly line. It's not production in a simple sense, but the externalities are large enough that crisis and drama are a tenuous key to economic growth.

    Think of the noise as a large ignot being forged in a factory filed with fire and noise. The end product is probably something you don't really need, so the need is created. It's Friday, let's see what the press sluice gate intends to drown your mind with next. Here we all are - tapping away at our keyboards and iphones in a factory with no pay. You could say we're volunteers for the Government, something it needs to function normally.
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  13. @exiled off mainstreet
    I fully concur with the commentary. Once the Martha Stewart case went forward and this "law" was not challenged, my view, at that time and since, was that the yankee imperium had entered the post-rule of law era. This is amply shown by the use this "law" has been put to. In the end, it was creeping extra-legal fascism that destroyed the rule of law in the US, not creeping socialism as was feared by certain elements in the '60s. The existence and enforcement of this provision is an affront to basic decency and the rule of law, and the legitimacy of any state which upholds such an extra-legal provision is non-existent.

    I fully concur with the commentary.

    And I finally concur with the commentary. It must’ve been ghost written while IM was taking a break.

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  14. wayfarer says:

    Rothschild Zionist Israel has got just about every cuckold and cuckqueen politician in America along with their shoeshine boys and manicurists, on its junior-Mossad-spy goy-internship program.

    9/11 to War with Iran: Greater Israel Plans Exposed (2001-2017)

    …..

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  15. If anyone wants to see the genesis of the problem read THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION.

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    Protocols of the elders of Zion
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  16. Che Guava says:

    Ilana,

    I agree with much else you are saying here (though from memory, Martha Stewart’s behaviour was clearly white-collar criminal, on top of the lie, unlike Flynn’s stupid and inoccuous lie or simple misinterpretation).

    ask Russia to disrupt or delay one of the UN Security Council’s favorite pastimes: passing resolutions denouncing Israeli settlements.

    That is wrong on so many levels.

    i. Your bare-faced lie of saying ‘Security Council’ instead of ‘General Assembly’, when you are knowing very well that the U.S.A. is *always* vetoing anything critical of Israel in the SC, sole exception being when former Pres. Hopey-Changey Hussein was ordering an abstention on one late in his second term. One of his very few good acts as Pres.

    ii. The implicit assumption that Israeli settlements are a good thing. I am sure that you would enjoying it if you were to live somewhere where maniacal strangers who hate you were trying to occupying all high positions, wandering about with automatic and semi-automatic rifles, destroying or seizing your neighbour’s (and your) houses, destroying olive groves, and monopolising the water supply, etc.
    Palestine used to have a proportionally large Christian population. In the early stages of their departure, Israeli jews were the main driver.

    Disingenuous or what?

    iii. Why should the main emphasis of any contact with Russia be illegal (under international law) jewish settlements! You cannot even say Israeli, because it is outside the borders of Israel.

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    For God's sake!!!!!

    Martha Steward was set up!

    Please do not be naive.
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  17. SteveM says:

    By legislative fiat, the government has turned this decent man [Flynn] and many like him into common criminals.

    Daniel Larison of The American Spectator outlined Michael Flynn’s “warped worldview” back in 2016:

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/flynns-warped-worldview/

    That the FBI is a rogue Deep State entity and Michael Flynn is a self-aggrandizing Beltway war-monger (i.e., not decent) are not disjoint.

    Flynn only wanted to make nice with Russia as a process tactic for fueling more war in the Middle East, paid for of course by American taxpayers.

    Whether the FBI or the cabal of war-monger militarists whispering in Trump’s ear – there are no “good guys”.

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  18. @exiled off mainstreet
    I fully concur with the commentary. Once the Martha Stewart case went forward and this "law" was not challenged, my view, at that time and since, was that the yankee imperium had entered the post-rule of law era. This is amply shown by the use this "law" has been put to. In the end, it was creeping extra-legal fascism that destroyed the rule of law in the US, not creeping socialism as was feared by certain elements in the '60s. The existence and enforcement of this provision is an affront to basic decency and the rule of law, and the legitimacy of any state which upholds such an extra-legal provision is non-existent.

    In other words, special counsels don’t find the law and get their man; they get their man and find the law.

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    That is the way it goes and is why they say that US DA's can indict and convict a ham sandwich. The yankee system follows the Lewis Carroll "Alice" method of punishment based on accusation rather than guilt.
    , @Corvinus
    "In other words, special counsels don’t find the law and get their man; they get their man and find the law."

    You as an alleged lawyer ought to know better. Mueller is employing the rule of law here with his cadre of experts. You work the outside edges of a conspiracy theory, one that is deep and pervasive and complex. To a number of people, it's "unbelievable", as if something of a Hollywood script.

    Please educate yourself.

    https://twitter.com/SethAbramson?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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  19. @Frankie P
    Because Ms. Mercer's agenda includes diverting attention away from the Israel angle here; we know that Kushner was doing Netanyahu's and Trump's bidding in trying to delay or disrupt the UN Security Council vote. We can be assured that the initiator of the idea was Netanyahu and Israel; Netanyahu, who stayed in little Jared's bedroom when the boy was young and Netanyahu was staying at the Kushner family home, and Israel, recipient of many Kushner donations earmarked for the settlement project. WTF is Kushner doing as Trump's peace process rep? He is more than merely Israel's lawyer; he is a cheerleading donor. Ms. Mercer felt that she had to at least mention the Israel angle, so she did so with a dismissal of the UNSC's action to push that shitty little state on its VIOLATIONS OF INTERNATIONAL LAW, because she knew full well that the truth-tellers here at Unz (she calls them "anti-semites", but hey, most of the polite establishment call truth telling on Israel anti-semitism) would take her to task if she ignored it.

    Many good points. Excellent.

    Because Ms. Mercer’s agenda includes diverting attention away from the Israel angle here;

    While I agree with a lot of what ‘s said in the article, what’s left unsaid is every bit as important. As usual.

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  20. The frantic tone of the article shows just how much damage Flynn’s testimony has done to Trump. What Flynn tells us is that the iniative to contact the Russians came from Trump, not the Russians. That’s absolutely damning for Trump. The evidence previously available suggested that the iniative had come from the Russians, pointing towards the possibility that the rather naive Trump team had been more or les set up by the Russians. Now we know that Trump solicited Russian intervention, which tends to prove that he is indeed Putin’s stooge or, even worse, the stooge of the gangsters behind Putin. That may well be the deep, dark secret that Trump was afraid Putin would tell. The onus is now on Trump to prove that he isn’t an agent of a foreign power and the only way he can do that is to get Putin out of Ukraine.

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    • Replies: @jilles dykstra
    What is the problem of having contacts with Russia ?
    As to the Ukraine, USA, EU and NATO should leave there.
    We in Europe do not want the war NATO, USA and EU are seeking.
    We want normal relations with the country we had a lot of trade with, much of which has disappeared because of sanctions, made possible by the deaths of over 300 passengers aboard MH17.
    My country, the Netherlands, objected most to sanctions, we exported a lot to Russia, on the day after the disaster objections had vanished.
    So it was very lucky for those who wanted to impose sanctions that a plane from Schiphol Amsterdam was hit.
    Despite that Russia just has disadvantages of the disaster, and the west advantages, the continuing investigation, that will never end, Peyton Place, does anything possible to continue stating vague accusations against Putin.
    Suspect Ukraine has been permitted to take part in the investigations.
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    I must characterize your comment as insincere.
    Trump from the onset of his campaign declared openly that he wants a better relationship with Russia.
    Trump has a good sixth sense. From the view of geopolitics this was a correct decision.
    But US political swamp which is fully in the pocket of Globalist, and of course seventeen intelligence agencies that created their debacle in Ukraine, were blinded by hatred of Russia for making successful
    (in my opinion fully predictable) defensive moves. ( Also in my opinion Russians did not go far enough)
    What is most important here is to realize the damage what these reckless harebrained entities have done.
    They have pushed Russia fully to be faithful to China-North Korea camp.
    By this North Korea is even more emboldened.
    And this is, and it will be such a migraine for for US that all pharmaceutical companies in US will not be able to help
    , @Beckow

    "What Flynn tells us is that the iniative to contact the Russians came from Trump, not the Russians"
     
    ...after the elections. After the elections, do you get the distinction?

    Since any literate person understands the difference between pre-elections and after getting elected, I have to conclude that you are consciously lying. Why? Nothing else to throw at Trump?

    (If you think that even after being elected Flynn or Trump had no right to start talking to other countries - like Russia - may I suggest a remedial Government 101 class at your local community college.)
    , @WJ
    You are making stuff up. Flynn's contact was post election, for foreign policy purposes. Completely different from the "collusion" nonsense.

    You aren't an American so you must not know that the Russian story is purely a political tool to damage Trump. Elite Dems know it is a farce but it plays well with the denizens of Baltimore, South Chicago and Jackson, Mississippi. You also don't realize that most Americans don't give a flying crap about Ukraine or Putin.

    I would say instead of Trump having some onus, the onus is on you to display some knowledge of American politics and culture.
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  21. Z-man says:
    @jacques sheete

    Actually this investigation is a crime against US Government, because it impedes the normal functioning of US government.
     
    Actually this investigation is a crime against taxpayers but not because it impedes the normal functioning of US government.

    Anything that impedes the normal functioning of US government, an entity corrupt to the core, is a blessing to the taxpayers.

    It's a crime against taxpayers because it's a waste of money and a distraction. It may impede the normal function of government, but not by much. Little value for the dollar as usual.

    It’s a crime against taxpayers because it’s a waste of money and a distraction.

    Distraction from the the new tax rates that continue to favor the rich and screw the middle class, even more.
    Flynn was a zeolot/flake/whack job that Trump should have jettisoned right after the convention. Due to his loyalty he didn’t and it cost him right after he was sworn in. He should have listened to Obama on that one.
    If it was up to Flynn we would already be spending blood and treasure against Iran for the Zionist beast which he Flynn is a puppet of. Unfortunatley Trump is even worse because he has a serpent in the family married to his Christ denying daughter.
    With all that said, I’ll still take Trump over Satan, i.e., SHillary, lol!

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    Distraction from the the new tax rates that continue to favor the rich and screw the middle class, even more.
     
    Yup.

    Flynn was a zeolot/flake/whack job
     
    Yes. I loathe that screwballs like him. Absolutely putrid punks. I hope the bus they tossed the stupid sucker under sqaushes his head like a pimple.
    , @Wally
    Please show us what's in the new tax plan which favors the rich, harms others.

    http://www.breitbart.com/taxes/2017/12/04/seven-myths-about-the-gop-tax-reform/
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  22. @jilles dykstra
    A weird country, the USA.
    Do not know of any other country that has a law against contacts with a specified other country, a law making it impossible to interfere with price settinng in the pharmaceutical industry, and a law permitting an invasion of the Netherlands, in case a USA citizen is held in The Hague for trial by the International Court, to liberate the accused.

    A weird country, the USA.

    It’s actually beyond weird; it’s absolutely mind boggling. Utterly twisted. Everything of value has been twisted and perverted beyond anyone’s imagination. One huge plastic garbage dump.

    It’s a huge corrupt cesspool, yet most people here see nothing but El Dorado and think it’s the Savior of the World all rolled into one.

    Trump as prez narrowly beating Hillary in a scam democracy-esque “election” and congress bowing and scraping to Netanyahu pretty much sums it all up perfectly.

    The place is as full of morons as ignorant as they are arrogant, just like the goofy looking, sounding and acting clowns who rule them. It’s utterly beyond redemption.

    On another note, can you comment on and/or suggest some good sources for studying the bankers of Amsterdam of the 16th and 17th centuries, including the Dutch West India Co??

    Thanks in advance.

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    Charles P. Kindleberger, 'A Financial History of Western Europe', 1984, London, Boston, Sydney
    The book is not specifically on Dutch bankers, but is is one of the few books I know, and have, on the subject.
    Am not near the book now, or will be for a long time, but it does contain many references.
    I'll look if I can find the english title of
    Simon Schama, 'Overvloed en Onbehagen, De Nederlandse Cultuur in de Gouden Eeuw', Amsterdam, 1988.
    It of course is not specifically on bankers, Schama is not a financial expert, but he does of course treat Dutch finance.

    THE EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES: An Interpretation of Dutch Culture in the Golden Age

    Schama, Simon

    Published by University of California Press, Berkeley

    ISBN 10: 0520061470 ISBN 13: 9780520061477

    , @woodNfish
    Trump soundly beat HRC by a large margin 304 to 227 electoral votes. You can not like it all you want but your still just as wrong as you are thinking the US republic is a democracy.
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  23. @Z-man

    It’s a crime against taxpayers because it’s a waste of money and a distraction.
     
    Distraction from the the new tax rates that continue to favor the rich and screw the middle class, even more.
    Flynn was a zeolot/flake/whack job that Trump should have jettisoned right after the convention. Due to his loyalty he didn't and it cost him right after he was sworn in. He should have listened to Obama on that one.
    If it was up to Flynn we would already be spending blood and treasure against Iran for the Zionist beast which he Flynn is a puppet of. Unfortunatley Trump is even worse because he has a serpent in the family married to his Christ denying daughter.
    With all that said, I'll still take Trump over Satan, i.e., SHillary, lol!

    Distraction from the the new tax rates that continue to favor the rich and screw the middle class, even more.

    Yup.

    Flynn was a zeolot/flake/whack job

    Yes. I loathe that screwballs like him. Absolutely putrid punks. I hope the bus they tossed the stupid sucker under sqaushes his head like a pimple.

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  24. @Greg Bacon
    Flynn's sin was to think he could engage in ME diplomacy for Israel and not get caught. When he did, he got tossed under the bus so that the corrupt and savage MSM could keep screaming Russiagate while forgetting to mention that this affair is now IsraeliGate.

    Flynn broke no laws establishing relations with Russia for the incoming president. But when he started lobbying UN members on behalf of Israel, that's when he crossed the legal line.


    He's lucky he only got charged with lying.

    But this is how politics play out in the former USA, which is nothing more than a colony of Apartheid Israel, doing the bidding of our Israeli Masters, whether it be fighting endless wars so that Israel can steal more land and water or continually helping Israel commit crimes against humanity in Palestine.

    Next stop, Tehran.

    But this is how politics play out in the former USA, which is nothing more than a colony of Apartheid Israel, doing the bidding of our Israeli Masters, whether it be fighting endless wars so that Israel can steal more land and water or continually helping Israel commit crimes against humanity in Palestine.

    Yup. A nation of Zio-bankster cucks and that includes the vast majority of Jews as well as goyim.

    Many warned us of it when they opposed the Federal Reserve and when the Zio-Bolshie banksters suckered the US into WW 1 & 2 on their behalf, but we never even know their names today, and we have next to nobody telling the truth today.

    …continually helping Israel commit crimes against humanity in Palestine.

    And elsewhere. Wherever the banksters demand control, which is nearly everywhere.

    Those damned cagaderos have turned the whole planet into one big one!!

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  25. @Michael Kenny
    The frantic tone of the article shows just how much damage Flynn's testimony has done to Trump. What Flynn tells us is that the iniative to contact the Russians came from Trump, not the Russians. That's absolutely damning for Trump. The evidence previously available suggested that the iniative had come from the Russians, pointing towards the possibility that the rather naive Trump team had been more or les set up by the Russians. Now we know that Trump solicited Russian intervention, which tends to prove that he is indeed Putin's stooge or, even worse, the stooge of the gangsters behind Putin. That may well be the deep, dark secret that Trump was afraid Putin would tell. The onus is now on Trump to prove that he isn't an agent of a foreign power and the only way he can do that is to get Putin out of Ukraine.

    What is the problem of having contacts with Russia ?
    As to the Ukraine, USA, EU and NATO should leave there.
    We in Europe do not want the war NATO, USA and EU are seeking.
    We want normal relations with the country we had a lot of trade with, much of which has disappeared because of sanctions, made possible by the deaths of over 300 passengers aboard MH17.
    My country, the Netherlands, objected most to sanctions, we exported a lot to Russia, on the day after the disaster objections had vanished.
    So it was very lucky for those who wanted to impose sanctions that a plane from Schiphol Amsterdam was hit.
    Despite that Russia just has disadvantages of the disaster, and the west advantages, the continuing investigation, that will never end, Peyton Place, does anything possible to continue stating vague accusations against Putin.
    Suspect Ukraine has been permitted to take part in the investigations.

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    MH17 was in fact MH370 and was shot down by 2 Ukraine jets, and there were only corpses on board MH370.
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  26. Ben Frank says:

    Are we being asked to believe that China, with ten times Russia’s economic strength, never tries to influence American politics?

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    James Riady saved Bill Clinton when his primary campaign ran short of cash. I'm sure he was grateful to Riady, who was alleged to have ties to Chinese intelligence.
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  27. Joe Hide says:

    To Mercer,
    Great great article. You’ve created a description of events that is so absorbing and brings up such deep anger in the reader towards the increasingly exposed psychopathic and psychotic, that we are collectively inspired to end the influence of these creeps. Thank You!

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  28. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Flynn is DIA. He’s an actor in this psyop. It’s not the crime that counts, it’s making a crime understandable by the audience.

    Consider that Petraeus fornicated with one of his gun runners. Oh the crime! The US Treasury is an open vault to these elite assassins – there’s no law here, but that’s not a problem as far as the public will ever know. Neither is the carnage, which is all carefully hidden from view. Deliberately destroying civilian populations is never made obvious.

    Occassionally, the FBI and the press will shame one of the royals in a carefully crafted stage production (or tennis match) as competition naturally heats up amongst members of the owner-ruler class. Press mockingbirds will disagree back and forth with one another only adding necessary fuel to the drama.

    The “crime” is usually an overwrought, completely specious claim of dishonesty and sometimes a bedroom indiscretion to titillate American prurience. Taken very seriously by at least part of the press, but ridiculed by another. The leading figure nevertheless emerges tarnished. The CIA’s Andrea Mitchell will shed a tear on NBC (as she did for hero mass murderer Petraeus). This is an instruction for a simple minded population, including any number of rote evangelicals.

    Now Flynn’s resume includes a prominent role in the post 9/11 war of terror. An environment that doesn’t have anything to do with the American sheep’s warped delusions of what the law even means. However, enourmous efforts are always made to indemnify criminal violence through legal mechanism.

    The guilded cage for American mafia member Flynn meant he killed as many people as possible in the two major strategic theaters, started his own privateering operation once some of the shooting quieted down, looted and cashed in as a international contractor into imaginable wealth and is now playin himself in his own wrist slappin’ psyop.

    What’s next is predictable. Go on to Wall Street to join an investment firm, accept academic honors, visiting professorships, write a book and maybe even join a “peace” movement to reduce violence – writing an op-ed for Tom’s Dispatch. God speed Ó Floinn!

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    Very well said!
    , @Ilyana_Rozumova
    I am so sorry.
    I forgot the title of my comment.
    The title is:
    "SWORD OF DAMOCLES"
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  29. Wally says: • Website
    @Z-man

    It’s a crime against taxpayers because it’s a waste of money and a distraction.
     
    Distraction from the the new tax rates that continue to favor the rich and screw the middle class, even more.
    Flynn was a zeolot/flake/whack job that Trump should have jettisoned right after the convention. Due to his loyalty he didn't and it cost him right after he was sworn in. He should have listened to Obama on that one.
    If it was up to Flynn we would already be spending blood and treasure against Iran for the Zionist beast which he Flynn is a puppet of. Unfortunatley Trump is even worse because he has a serpent in the family married to his Christ denying daughter.
    With all that said, I'll still take Trump over Satan, i.e., SHillary, lol!

    Please show us what’s in the new tax plan which favors the rich, harms others.

    http://www.breitbart.com/taxes/2017/12/04/seven-myths-about-the-gop-tax-reform/

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    Lower income folks pay a bigger portion of their needed income to Uncle Shylock than the rich! 10% tax cut-bull shit, 10% of nothing is still nothing. When you include regressive 'added on' taxes piled on these working poor you continue to screw the middle class. The rich have loop holes and even if they don't THEY CAN AFFORD TO PAY MORE!
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  30. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @jacques sheete

    Actually this investigation is a crime against US Government, because it impedes the normal functioning of US government.
     
    Actually this investigation is a crime against taxpayers but not because it impedes the normal functioning of US government.

    Anything that impedes the normal functioning of US government, an entity corrupt to the core, is a blessing to the taxpayers.

    It's a crime against taxpayers because it's a waste of money and a distraction. It may impede the normal function of government, but not by much. Little value for the dollar as usual.

    This doesn’t impede the normal function of Government, whatever the fuck that is. Bread and circuses are what the Government delivers daily in darkness. Look at it this way, this investigation is a new product off the assembly line. It’s not production in a simple sense, but the externalities are large enough that crisis and drama are a tenuous key to economic growth.

    Think of the noise as a large ignot being forged in a factory filed with fire and noise. The end product is probably something you don’t really need, so the need is created. It’s Friday, let’s see what the press sluice gate intends to drown your mind with next. Here we all are – tapping away at our keyboards and iphones in a factory with no pay. You could say we’re volunteers for the Government, something it needs to function normally.

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    You are asleep.

    Alarm bell rings. You wake up and glance at clock. Time shown on clock is one our earlier than you usually wake up. Than it hits you. This is the day you have to defend your dissertation work on the theme of ills of the society, in front of book learned gentlemen.
    You quickly drop your pajamas and enter the shower. And than the cold water really wakes you up
    to reality.

    You realize that yesterday evening you had a violent argument with your neighbor, ending with him telling you that he is going to beat your head with baseball bat to the pulp.

    In that instant you will try to recall the all argument and evaluate it rationally.
    In the mean time you realize your main task of the day. The defense of your thesis.
    So you leave the house, you travel and you arrive at the office. During all this time you trying to recall your well worked strategy of the defense of your theory. But it does not work. You are overwhelmed by your anger at the neighbor. Your emotions own you. You are trying to work out what to do.
    But you are already in front of people asked to start your presentation.
    When you are leaving I am there in front of the building greeting you.

    I am asking you: How did it go?
    And you will say not too good.
    And I will say that is" whatever it means"
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  31. Z-man says:
    @Wally
    Please show us what's in the new tax plan which favors the rich, harms others.

    http://www.breitbart.com/taxes/2017/12/04/seven-myths-about-the-gop-tax-reform/

    Lower income folks pay a bigger portion of their needed income to Uncle Shylock than the rich! 10% tax cut-bull shit, 10% of nothing is still nothing. When you include regressive ‘added on’ taxes piled on these working poor you continue to screw the middle class. The rich have loop holes and even if they don’t THEY CAN AFFORD TO PAY MORE!

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    Millions of lower-income people who work and file tax returns, "get back" money that they never paid as fed income tax in the first place. That's often sufficient to offset the little they do pay in FICA and Medicare taxes. It's called the "refundable" Earned Income [sic] Tax Credit.

    The working poor and lower-middle-income people typically don't pay any fed income tax, and with the EITC they often pay no direct federal tax at all. That is, their EITC "refund" offsets what they paid in 6.2% FICA (Social Security) and 1.45% Medicare tax.

    It's the folks like our family, who are not poor or "working class" (I must be mistaken about what I do about nine hours per day) but far from rich, who are paying substantial federal income tax.

    We pay that substantial federal income tax on top of our FICA and Medicare taxes, and we need relief. Primarily people from the 51st through about the 95th percentile of household earned income.

    To sum up, the poor don't pay direct federal taxes when all is said and done, and the truly rich buy "triple tax free" government bonds and hire CPAs and lawyers to construct trusts and other legerdemain to greatly reduce fed tax liability on their remaining income.

    The rest of us, the top half of household income excluding the top couple percent, pay through the nose without getting the subsidies/"programs" that the poor get or the privileges and insider tips the super-rich get.

    , @Wally
    You are wrong & easily shown to be wrong.

    I can see you didn't read my posted link and are now you're just making stuff up.
    And you're being crudely emotional because you have no argument.

    Pay attention:

    Top 20% pay 95% of taxes, middle class 'single digits

    50% of US workers pay NO fed income taxes

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/omb-top-20-pay-95-of-taxes-middle-class-single-digits/article/2638746

    more:
    The Tax Reform Disinformation Campaign: Americans Falsely Think Their Taxes Will Rise
    It is astonishing how American voters have come to be misinformed about tax reform.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/08/the-tax-reform-disinformation-campaign-americans-falsely-think-their-taxes-will-rise/

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  32. @Anonymous
    Flynn is DIA. He's an actor in this psyop. It's not the crime that counts, it's making a crime understandable by the audience.

    Consider that Petraeus fornicated with one of his gun runners. Oh the crime! The US Treasury is an open vault to these elite assassins - there's no law here, but that's not a problem as far as the public will ever know. Neither is the carnage, which is all carefully hidden from view. Deliberately destroying civilian populations is never made obvious.

    Occassionally, the FBI and the press will shame one of the royals in a carefully crafted stage production (or tennis match) as competition naturally heats up amongst members of the owner-ruler class. Press mockingbirds will disagree back and forth with one another only adding necessary fuel to the drama.

    The "crime" is usually an overwrought, completely specious claim of dishonesty and sometimes a bedroom indiscretion to titillate American prurience. Taken very seriously by at least part of the press, but ridiculed by another. The leading figure nevertheless emerges tarnished. The CIA's Andrea Mitchell will shed a tear on NBC (as she did for hero mass murderer Petraeus). This is an instruction for a simple minded population, including any number of rote evangelicals.

    Now Flynn's resume includes a prominent role in the post 9/11 war of terror. An environment that doesn't have anything to do with the American sheep's warped delusions of what the law even means. However, enourmous efforts are always made to indemnify criminal violence through legal mechanism.

    The guilded cage for American mafia member Flynn meant he killed as many people as possible in the two major strategic theaters, started his own privateering operation once some of the shooting quieted down, looted and cashed in as a international contractor into imaginable wealth and is now playin himself in his own wrist slappin' psyop.

    What's next is predictable. Go on to Wall Street to join an investment firm, accept academic honors, visiting professorships, write a book and maybe even join a "peace" movement to reduce violence - writing an op-ed for Tom's Dispatch. God speed Ó Floinn!

    Very well said!

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  33. @jacques sheete

    A weird country, the USA.
     
    It's actually beyond weird; it's absolutely mind boggling. Utterly twisted. Everything of value has been twisted and perverted beyond anyone's imagination. One huge plastic garbage dump.

    It's a huge corrupt cesspool, yet most people here see nothing but El Dorado and think it's the Savior of the World all rolled into one.

    Trump as prez narrowly beating Hillary in a scam democracy-esque "election" and congress bowing and scraping to Netanyahu pretty much sums it all up perfectly.

    The place is as full of morons as ignorant as they are arrogant, just like the goofy looking, sounding and acting clowns who rule them. It's utterly beyond redemption.

    On another note, can you comment on and/or suggest some good sources for studying the bankers of Amsterdam of the 16th and 17th centuries, including the Dutch West India Co??

    Thanks in advance.

    Charles P. Kindleberger, ‘A Financial History of Western Europe’, 1984, London, Boston, Sydney
    The book is not specifically on Dutch bankers, but is is one of the few books I know, and have, on the subject.
    Am not near the book now, or will be for a long time, but it does contain many references.
    I’ll look if I can find the english title of
    Simon Schama, ‘Overvloed en Onbehagen, De Nederlandse Cultuur in de Gouden Eeuw’, Amsterdam, 1988.
    It of course is not specifically on bankers, Schama is not a financial expert, but he does of course treat Dutch finance.

    THE EMBARRASSMENT OF RICHES: An Interpretation of Dutch Culture in the Golden Age

    Schama, Simon

    Published by University of California Press, Berkeley

    ISBN 10: 0520061470 ISBN 13: 9780520061477

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  34. @Michael Kenny
    The frantic tone of the article shows just how much damage Flynn's testimony has done to Trump. What Flynn tells us is that the iniative to contact the Russians came from Trump, not the Russians. That's absolutely damning for Trump. The evidence previously available suggested that the iniative had come from the Russians, pointing towards the possibility that the rather naive Trump team had been more or les set up by the Russians. Now we know that Trump solicited Russian intervention, which tends to prove that he is indeed Putin's stooge or, even worse, the stooge of the gangsters behind Putin. That may well be the deep, dark secret that Trump was afraid Putin would tell. The onus is now on Trump to prove that he isn't an agent of a foreign power and the only way he can do that is to get Putin out of Ukraine.

    I must characterize your comment as insincere.
    Trump from the onset of his campaign declared openly that he wants a better relationship with Russia.
    Trump has a good sixth sense. From the view of geopolitics this was a correct decision.
    But US political swamp which is fully in the pocket of Globalist, and of course seventeen intelligence agencies that created their debacle in Ukraine, were blinded by hatred of Russia for making successful
    (in my opinion fully predictable) defensive moves. ( Also in my opinion Russians did not go far enough)
    What is most important here is to realize the damage what these reckless harebrained entities have done.
    They have pushed Russia fully to be faithful to China-North Korea camp.
    By this North Korea is even more emboldened.
    And this is, and it will be such a migraine for for US that all pharmaceutical companies in US will not be able to help

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    What damage ?
    They saved a great part of the world from being under the USA yoke, and liberated us.
    You see this in that all European leaders dare to condemn Trump on giving Jerusalem to Israel, and, if it is true what I read on the Russia Today site, even Pakistan becomes rebellious, shooting down USA drones.
    The problem for me is that a lot of people in the EU member states now will think we need a European army, strenghtening the Brussels dictatorial court.
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  35. Hibernian says:
    @exiled off mainstreet
    I fully concur with the commentary. Once the Martha Stewart case went forward and this "law" was not challenged, my view, at that time and since, was that the yankee imperium had entered the post-rule of law era. This is amply shown by the use this "law" has been put to. In the end, it was creeping extra-legal fascism that destroyed the rule of law in the US, not creeping socialism as was feared by certain elements in the '60s. The existence and enforcement of this provision is an affront to basic decency and the rule of law, and the legitimacy of any state which upholds such an extra-legal provision is non-existent.

    Creeping socialism and creeping fascism go together hand in hand.

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  36. @Realist
    miavd???

    You! You! You! ………… Cheapskate You never give up anything for free!

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  37. @DESERT FOX
    If anyone wants to see the genesis of the problem read THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION.

    Protocols of the elders of Zion

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    All i can find are reviews and the US holocaust museum discrediting it. Got a link?
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  38. @Z-man
    Lower income folks pay a bigger portion of their needed income to Uncle Shylock than the rich! 10% tax cut-bull shit, 10% of nothing is still nothing. When you include regressive 'added on' taxes piled on these working poor you continue to screw the middle class. The rich have loop holes and even if they don't THEY CAN AFFORD TO PAY MORE!

    Millions of lower-income people who work and file tax returns, “get back” money that they never paid as fed income tax in the first place. That’s often sufficient to offset the little they do pay in FICA and Medicare taxes. It’s called the “refundable” Earned Income [sic] Tax Credit.

    The working poor and lower-middle-income people typically don’t pay any fed income tax, and with the EITC they often pay no direct federal tax at all. That is, their EITC “refund” offsets what they paid in 6.2% FICA (Social Security) and 1.45% Medicare tax.

    It’s the folks like our family, who are not poor or “working class” (I must be mistaken about what I do about nine hours per day) but far from rich, who are paying substantial federal income tax.

    We pay that substantial federal income tax on top of our FICA and Medicare taxes, and we need relief. Primarily people from the 51st through about the 95th percentile of household earned income.

    To sum up, the poor don’t pay direct federal taxes when all is said and done, and the truly rich buy “triple tax free” government bonds and hire CPAs and lawyers to construct trusts and other legerdemain to greatly reduce fed tax liability on their remaining income.

    The rest of us, the top half of household income excluding the top couple percent, pay through the nose without getting the subsidies/”programs” that the poor get or the privileges and insider tips the super-rich get.

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    Then how do the 'Top 20% pay 95% of taxes, middle class 'single digits' ?

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/omb-top-20-pay-95-of-taxes-middle-class-single-digits/article/2638746

    If the top 20% dodge taxes then where did the info. above come from?
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  39. @Che Guava
    Ilana,

    I agree with much else you are saying here (though from memory, Martha Stewart's behaviour was clearly white-collar criminal, on top of the lie, unlike Flynn's stupid and inoccuous lie or simple misinterpretation).


    ask Russia to disrupt or delay one of the UN Security Council’s favorite pastimes: passing resolutions denouncing Israeli settlements.
     
    That is wrong on so many levels.

    i. Your bare-faced lie of saying 'Security Council' instead of 'General Assembly', when you are knowing very well that the U.S.A. is *always* vetoing anything critical of Israel in the SC, sole exception being when former Pres. Hopey-Changey Hussein was ordering an abstention on one late in his second term. One of his very few good acts as Pres.

    ii. The implicit assumption that Israeli settlements are a good thing. I am sure that you would enjoying it if you were to live somewhere where maniacal strangers who hate you were trying to occupying all high positions, wandering about with automatic and semi-automatic rifles, destroying or seizing your neighbour's (and your) houses, destroying olive groves, and monopolising the water supply, etc.
    Palestine used to have a proportionally large Christian population. In the early stages of their departure, Israeli jews were the main driver.

    Disingenuous or what?

    iii. Why should the main emphasis of any contact with Russia be illegal (under international law) jewish settlements! You cannot even say Israeli, because it is outside the borders of Israel.

    For God’s sake!!!!!

    Martha Steward was set up!

    Please do not be naive.

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    I am not believing you. It is also 'Stewart', not 'Steward'. I am having no interest in her activities, but can see she is setting up 'net propaganda wars to claiming no crime.

    You are an example.

    If she was 'set up', as you are saying, by whom and how?
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  40. Russ says:
    @geokat62

    Flynn's Sin Was Lying to Liars, Not Colluding with Russians
     
    Why not write an article with the title, Kushner's Sin Was Colluding with Israelis, Not Lying to Liars?

    And has the designation of Jerusalem as the Israeli capital by the Trump administration rendered the First Son-In-Law even more impervious to Mueller’s minions? Was even more imperviousness even necessary, given the First Son-In-Law’s club membership?

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  41. Beckow says:
    @Michael Kenny
    The frantic tone of the article shows just how much damage Flynn's testimony has done to Trump. What Flynn tells us is that the iniative to contact the Russians came from Trump, not the Russians. That's absolutely damning for Trump. The evidence previously available suggested that the iniative had come from the Russians, pointing towards the possibility that the rather naive Trump team had been more or les set up by the Russians. Now we know that Trump solicited Russian intervention, which tends to prove that he is indeed Putin's stooge or, even worse, the stooge of the gangsters behind Putin. That may well be the deep, dark secret that Trump was afraid Putin would tell. The onus is now on Trump to prove that he isn't an agent of a foreign power and the only way he can do that is to get Putin out of Ukraine.

    “What Flynn tells us is that the iniative to contact the Russians came from Trump, not the Russians”

    …after the elections. After the elections, do you get the distinction?

    Since any literate person understands the difference between pre-elections and after getting elected, I have to conclude that you are consciously lying. Why? Nothing else to throw at Trump?

    (If you think that even after being elected Flynn or Trump had no right to start talking to other countries – like Russia – may I suggest a remedial Government 101 class at your local community college.)

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    Apropos your well meant suggestion to Michael Kenny to enrol in Government 101, the problem is people who have had their brains washed will be none the wiser even after Ph.D.'s in Government. In any case, much of what passes for education is but the transmission of prejudices, ignorance and expedient belief systems. Mr. Kenny clearly does not understand that it is NORMAL and DESIRABLE for Presidents and Prime Ministers to be in close touch with ALL countries, friend or foe. Right now the US is busy enclosing itself in a cocoon of stupidity and crass ignorance, and Government 101 type of courses are unlikely to explore such "explosive" and "politically incorrect" subjects.

    As an aside, since plenty of guys on this site are addicted to matters to do with human I.Q., to them this simple question: Is the average IQ in US declining at the speed of light that we suffer the spectacle of the whole country going on a witch-hunt to find cause to punish "them Russians and Putin" for "interfering" in US elections; that we suffer the elevation of sexual fetishes and deviances to the loftiest altar - holier than the almighty himself; and that we must bear witness to some of the world's greatest universities turn into breeding grounds of political correctness. Or is it that a high IQ and the ability to solve differential equations can co-exist with stupidity in matters political and social? If the latter, then this whole obsession with IQ needs to be tossed into the trash can, for it clearly lacks any survival value for the species or connection to societal welfare. If the former, then pray shed light on this massive decline. Why, in the name of God why, this descent into mass stupidity?
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  42. woodNfish says:

    This is why no one should ever talk to the FBI for any reason without a lawyer, and then you should take the fifth for every question, even when they ask you your name. I have held this position ever since they railroaded Martha Stewart.

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  43. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    But there is an upside to all of this treachery! If you’re Jared Kushner sitting on a turkey property at 666–666? How appropo–Fifth Avenue in New York City, on which his family business, Kushner Cos., reportedly owes hundreds of millions.

    And a large chunk of those shekels is due soon. My guess is sometime next year, when Trump sets off another Twitter firestorm, Jared will get a nice investment in his sinking investment, from an offshore client, who will not be named.

    I urge Ms Mercer to do a story on the LIES Jared has told the Feds when he filled out that intrusive SF86 doc to get his security clearance. Maybe lie is too strong a word, let’s say Jared FORGOT three different times to tell the truth, but luckily, he’s an American Jew, so CNN or FOX won’t be hounding him to hell and back, why that would be anti-Semitic!

    https://mantiqaltayr.wordpress.com/2017/12/08/jared-kushner-mr-666/

    What counts is to keep American hatred focused on those Moozies while our dear friend and ally Israel and her confederates loot our nation clean.

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  44. woodNfish says:
    @jacques sheete

    A weird country, the USA.
     
    It's actually beyond weird; it's absolutely mind boggling. Utterly twisted. Everything of value has been twisted and perverted beyond anyone's imagination. One huge plastic garbage dump.

    It's a huge corrupt cesspool, yet most people here see nothing but El Dorado and think it's the Savior of the World all rolled into one.

    Trump as prez narrowly beating Hillary in a scam democracy-esque "election" and congress bowing and scraping to Netanyahu pretty much sums it all up perfectly.

    The place is as full of morons as ignorant as they are arrogant, just like the goofy looking, sounding and acting clowns who rule them. It's utterly beyond redemption.

    On another note, can you comment on and/or suggest some good sources for studying the bankers of Amsterdam of the 16th and 17th centuries, including the Dutch West India Co??

    Thanks in advance.

    Trump soundly beat HRC by a large margin 304 to 227 electoral votes. You can not like it all you want but your still just as wrong as you are thinking the US republic is a democracy.

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  45. @Realist
    miavd???

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    Bedankt
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  46. @jilles dykstra
    What is the problem of having contacts with Russia ?
    As to the Ukraine, USA, EU and NATO should leave there.
    We in Europe do not want the war NATO, USA and EU are seeking.
    We want normal relations with the country we had a lot of trade with, much of which has disappeared because of sanctions, made possible by the deaths of over 300 passengers aboard MH17.
    My country, the Netherlands, objected most to sanctions, we exported a lot to Russia, on the day after the disaster objections had vanished.
    So it was very lucky for those who wanted to impose sanctions that a plane from Schiphol Amsterdam was hit.
    Despite that Russia just has disadvantages of the disaster, and the west advantages, the continuing investigation, that will never end, Peyton Place, does anything possible to continue stating vague accusations against Putin.
    Suspect Ukraine has been permitted to take part in the investigations.

    MH17 was in fact MH370 and was shot down by 2 Ukraine jets, and there were only corpses on board MH370.

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    Sounds like a phantasy.
    Can you elaborate ?
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  47. yeah says:
    @Beckow

    "What Flynn tells us is that the iniative to contact the Russians came from Trump, not the Russians"
     
    ...after the elections. After the elections, do you get the distinction?

    Since any literate person understands the difference between pre-elections and after getting elected, I have to conclude that you are consciously lying. Why? Nothing else to throw at Trump?

    (If you think that even after being elected Flynn or Trump had no right to start talking to other countries - like Russia - may I suggest a remedial Government 101 class at your local community college.)

    Apropos your well meant suggestion to Michael Kenny to enrol in Government 101, the problem is people who have had their brains washed will be none the wiser even after Ph.D.’s in Government. In any case, much of what passes for education is but the transmission of prejudices, ignorance and expedient belief systems. Mr. Kenny clearly does not understand that it is NORMAL and DESIRABLE for Presidents and Prime Ministers to be in close touch with ALL countries, friend or foe. Right now the US is busy enclosing itself in a cocoon of stupidity and crass ignorance, and Government 101 type of courses are unlikely to explore such “explosive” and “politically incorrect” subjects.

    As an aside, since plenty of guys on this site are addicted to matters to do with human I.Q., to them this simple question: Is the average IQ in US declining at the speed of light that we suffer the spectacle of the whole country going on a witch-hunt to find cause to punish “them Russians and Putin” for “interfering” in US elections; that we suffer the elevation of sexual fetishes and deviances to the loftiest altar – holier than the almighty himself; and that we must bear witness to some of the world’s greatest universities turn into breeding grounds of political correctness. Or is it that a high IQ and the ability to solve differential equations can co-exist with stupidity in matters political and social? If the latter, then this whole obsession with IQ needs to be tossed into the trash can, for it clearly lacks any survival value for the species or connection to societal welfare. If the former, then pray shed light on this massive decline. Why, in the name of God why, this descent into mass stupidity?

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    why this descent into mass stupidity?
     
    Some very entitled people experienced an unexpected loss. Plus a generation long descend into deep ignorance of both math and the world (its history and geography). But they know how to 'lawyer up' and 'make an argument' - that is appreciated in the academia today, lame words fighting other lame words. The hysteria took over.

    How is this ever going to return to a basic level of sanity? And will the 'Russia did it (all)' one day be studied as one of those occasional manias that take over societies? I think not, people will be too embarrassed to look back at how incredibly stupid the whole thing was. They will just repeat that '137 intelligence' agencies, Pinterest ads, and some guy named 'Sztrkzskok' made them do it. It is hopeless, bring in the barbarians.

    , @Intelligent Dasein

    Or is it that a high IQ and the ability to solve differential equations can co-exist with stupidity in matters political and social? If the latter, then this whole obsession with IQ needs to be tossed into the trash can...
     
    Bingo. This hits the nail firmly on the head.

    Aristotle, displaying his usual good sense, treated of this very question in the Nicomachian Ethics. Basically he stated that unlike mathematics (which is scientia or things knowable by demonstration) or logic (which is nous or knowable from first principles) or music (which is techne or art---Aristotle made no distinction between the fine arts and the practical arts), ethics (i.e. political science) is a different category of truth altogether. He called it phronesis, which we commonly translate as "prudence."

    Since prudence is acquired only with the indispensable aids of training and experience, it cannot be grasped by mere cleverness or unusual talent. This, by the way, is why there can be such things as musical prodigies and mathematical prodigies, but there are no ethical prodigies.

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  48. Willow says:

    The timing of the beginning of Russiagate should not be overlooked. When Russia told Flynn to take a hike re the UN resolution against Israel’s illegal settlements, that’s when the deep state take down of Russia began in earnest

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  49. Beckow says:
    @yeah
    Apropos your well meant suggestion to Michael Kenny to enrol in Government 101, the problem is people who have had their brains washed will be none the wiser even after Ph.D.'s in Government. In any case, much of what passes for education is but the transmission of prejudices, ignorance and expedient belief systems. Mr. Kenny clearly does not understand that it is NORMAL and DESIRABLE for Presidents and Prime Ministers to be in close touch with ALL countries, friend or foe. Right now the US is busy enclosing itself in a cocoon of stupidity and crass ignorance, and Government 101 type of courses are unlikely to explore such "explosive" and "politically incorrect" subjects.

    As an aside, since plenty of guys on this site are addicted to matters to do with human I.Q., to them this simple question: Is the average IQ in US declining at the speed of light that we suffer the spectacle of the whole country going on a witch-hunt to find cause to punish "them Russians and Putin" for "interfering" in US elections; that we suffer the elevation of sexual fetishes and deviances to the loftiest altar - holier than the almighty himself; and that we must bear witness to some of the world's greatest universities turn into breeding grounds of political correctness. Or is it that a high IQ and the ability to solve differential equations can co-exist with stupidity in matters political and social? If the latter, then this whole obsession with IQ needs to be tossed into the trash can, for it clearly lacks any survival value for the species or connection to societal welfare. If the former, then pray shed light on this massive decline. Why, in the name of God why, this descent into mass stupidity?

    why this descent into mass stupidity?

    Some very entitled people experienced an unexpected loss. Plus a generation long descend into deep ignorance of both math and the world (its history and geography). But they know how to ‘lawyer up‘ and ‘make an argument‘ – that is appreciated in the academia today, lame words fighting other lame words. The hysteria took over.

    How is this ever going to return to a basic level of sanity? And will the ‘Russia did it (all)‘ one day be studied as one of those occasional manias that take over societies? I think not, people will be too embarrassed to look back at how incredibly stupid the whole thing was. They will just repeat that ’137 intelligence’ agencies, Pinterest ads, and some guy named ‘Sztrkzskok’ made them do it. It is hopeless, bring in the barbarians.

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  50. @yeah
    Apropos your well meant suggestion to Michael Kenny to enrol in Government 101, the problem is people who have had their brains washed will be none the wiser even after Ph.D.'s in Government. In any case, much of what passes for education is but the transmission of prejudices, ignorance and expedient belief systems. Mr. Kenny clearly does not understand that it is NORMAL and DESIRABLE for Presidents and Prime Ministers to be in close touch with ALL countries, friend or foe. Right now the US is busy enclosing itself in a cocoon of stupidity and crass ignorance, and Government 101 type of courses are unlikely to explore such "explosive" and "politically incorrect" subjects.

    As an aside, since plenty of guys on this site are addicted to matters to do with human I.Q., to them this simple question: Is the average IQ in US declining at the speed of light that we suffer the spectacle of the whole country going on a witch-hunt to find cause to punish "them Russians and Putin" for "interfering" in US elections; that we suffer the elevation of sexual fetishes and deviances to the loftiest altar - holier than the almighty himself; and that we must bear witness to some of the world's greatest universities turn into breeding grounds of political correctness. Or is it that a high IQ and the ability to solve differential equations can co-exist with stupidity in matters political and social? If the latter, then this whole obsession with IQ needs to be tossed into the trash can, for it clearly lacks any survival value for the species or connection to societal welfare. If the former, then pray shed light on this massive decline. Why, in the name of God why, this descent into mass stupidity?

    Or is it that a high IQ and the ability to solve differential equations can co-exist with stupidity in matters political and social? If the latter, then this whole obsession with IQ needs to be tossed into the trash can…

    Bingo. This hits the nail firmly on the head.

    Aristotle, displaying his usual good sense, treated of this very question in the Nicomachian Ethics. Basically he stated that unlike mathematics (which is scientia or things knowable by demonstration) or logic (which is nous or knowable from first principles) or music (which is techne or art—Aristotle made no distinction between the fine arts and the practical arts), ethics (i.e. political science) is a different category of truth altogether. He called it phronesis, which we commonly translate as “prudence.”

    Since prudence is acquired only with the indispensable aids of training and experience, it cannot be grasped by mere cleverness or unusual talent. This, by the way, is why there can be such things as musical prodigies and mathematical prodigies, but there are no ethical prodigies.

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  51. @Anonymous
    This doesn't impede the normal function of Government, whatever the fuck that is. Bread and circuses are what the Government delivers daily in darkness. Look at it this way, this investigation is a new product off the assembly line. It's not production in a simple sense, but the externalities are large enough that crisis and drama are a tenuous key to economic growth.

    Think of the noise as a large ignot being forged in a factory filed with fire and noise. The end product is probably something you don't really need, so the need is created. It's Friday, let's see what the press sluice gate intends to drown your mind with next. Here we all are - tapping away at our keyboards and iphones in a factory with no pay. You could say we're volunteers for the Government, something it needs to function normally.

    You are asleep.

    Alarm bell rings. You wake up and glance at clock. Time shown on clock is one our earlier than you usually wake up. Than it hits you. This is the day you have to defend your dissertation work on the theme of ills of the society, in front of book learned gentlemen.
    You quickly drop your pajamas and enter the shower. And than the cold water really wakes you up
    to reality.

    You realize that yesterday evening you had a violent argument with your neighbor, ending with him telling you that he is going to beat your head with baseball bat to the pulp.

    In that instant you will try to recall the all argument and evaluate it rationally.
    In the mean time you realize your main task of the day. The defense of your thesis.
    So you leave the house, you travel and you arrive at the office. During all this time you trying to recall your well worked strategy of the defense of your theory. But it does not work. You are overwhelmed by your anger at the neighbor. Your emotions own you. You are trying to work out what to do.
    But you are already in front of people asked to start your presentation.
    When you are leaving I am there in front of the building greeting you.

    I am asking you: How did it go?
    And you will say not too good.
    And I will say that is” whatever it means”

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  52. @Anonymous
    Flynn is DIA. He's an actor in this psyop. It's not the crime that counts, it's making a crime understandable by the audience.

    Consider that Petraeus fornicated with one of his gun runners. Oh the crime! The US Treasury is an open vault to these elite assassins - there's no law here, but that's not a problem as far as the public will ever know. Neither is the carnage, which is all carefully hidden from view. Deliberately destroying civilian populations is never made obvious.

    Occassionally, the FBI and the press will shame one of the royals in a carefully crafted stage production (or tennis match) as competition naturally heats up amongst members of the owner-ruler class. Press mockingbirds will disagree back and forth with one another only adding necessary fuel to the drama.

    The "crime" is usually an overwrought, completely specious claim of dishonesty and sometimes a bedroom indiscretion to titillate American prurience. Taken very seriously by at least part of the press, but ridiculed by another. The leading figure nevertheless emerges tarnished. The CIA's Andrea Mitchell will shed a tear on NBC (as she did for hero mass murderer Petraeus). This is an instruction for a simple minded population, including any number of rote evangelicals.

    Now Flynn's resume includes a prominent role in the post 9/11 war of terror. An environment that doesn't have anything to do with the American sheep's warped delusions of what the law even means. However, enourmous efforts are always made to indemnify criminal violence through legal mechanism.

    The guilded cage for American mafia member Flynn meant he killed as many people as possible in the two major strategic theaters, started his own privateering operation once some of the shooting quieted down, looted and cashed in as a international contractor into imaginable wealth and is now playin himself in his own wrist slappin' psyop.

    What's next is predictable. Go on to Wall Street to join an investment firm, accept academic honors, visiting professorships, write a book and maybe even join a "peace" movement to reduce violence - writing an op-ed for Tom's Dispatch. God speed Ó Floinn!

    I am so sorry.
    I forgot the title of my comment.
    The title is:
    “SWORD OF DAMOCLES”

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  53. Wally says:
    @Z-man
    Lower income folks pay a bigger portion of their needed income to Uncle Shylock than the rich! 10% tax cut-bull shit, 10% of nothing is still nothing. When you include regressive 'added on' taxes piled on these working poor you continue to screw the middle class. The rich have loop holes and even if they don't THEY CAN AFFORD TO PAY MORE!

    You are wrong & easily shown to be wrong.

    I can see you didn’t read my posted link and are now you’re just making stuff up.
    And you’re being crudely emotional because you have no argument.

    Pay attention:

    Top 20% pay 95% of taxes, middle class ‘single digits

    50% of US workers pay NO fed income taxes

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/omb-top-20-pay-95-of-taxes-middle-class-single-digits/article/2638746

    more:
    The Tax Reform Disinformation Campaign: Americans Falsely Think Their Taxes Will Rise
    It is astonishing how American voters have come to be misinformed about tax reform.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/08/the-tax-reform-disinformation-campaign-americans-falsely-think-their-taxes-will-rise/

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    Those are all right wing (1 per centers) biased sources. While the rich/corporations pay the majority of the taxes the 'gov'mnt' wouldn't be able to function without the taxes on the masses. The new tax 'laws' (brackets) actually increase taxes on the lower income levels to 'make them feel that they're in the game'. What a joke, on them! As I said taxes on the lower to lower middle income working people is regressive and oppressive. A sales tax on someone making $50,000 is more significant to that person than to someone making $5 million or $500,000. And they actually purchase buy many of the same things (consumables). The rich can afford to contribute more and they should. The income gap between the 1-2% and the rest has increased obscenely over the last 30 years and by making them pay more is only fair.
    Trickle down economics worked to some extent in the 80's and 90's but even Bush I had to raise taxes in 1990. And when his dumb son cut taxes in 2003 it indirectly led to the biggest meltdown since the great depression.
    I pay attention and I'm not impressed by your propaganda and 'trumped' up numbers and the majority of the American population agree with me, even Fox Business News can't defend it, 'nuff said!
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  54. Wally says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Millions of lower-income people who work and file tax returns, "get back" money that they never paid as fed income tax in the first place. That's often sufficient to offset the little they do pay in FICA and Medicare taxes. It's called the "refundable" Earned Income [sic] Tax Credit.

    The working poor and lower-middle-income people typically don't pay any fed income tax, and with the EITC they often pay no direct federal tax at all. That is, their EITC "refund" offsets what they paid in 6.2% FICA (Social Security) and 1.45% Medicare tax.

    It's the folks like our family, who are not poor or "working class" (I must be mistaken about what I do about nine hours per day) but far from rich, who are paying substantial federal income tax.

    We pay that substantial federal income tax on top of our FICA and Medicare taxes, and we need relief. Primarily people from the 51st through about the 95th percentile of household earned income.

    To sum up, the poor don't pay direct federal taxes when all is said and done, and the truly rich buy "triple tax free" government bonds and hire CPAs and lawyers to construct trusts and other legerdemain to greatly reduce fed tax liability on their remaining income.

    The rest of us, the top half of household income excluding the top couple percent, pay through the nose without getting the subsidies/"programs" that the poor get or the privileges and insider tips the super-rich get.

    Then how do the ‘Top 20% pay 95% of taxes, middle class ‘single digits’ ?

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/omb-top-20-pay-95-of-taxes-middle-class-single-digits/article/2638746

    If the top 20% dodge taxes then where did the info. above come from?

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  55. WJ says:
    @Michael Kenny
    The frantic tone of the article shows just how much damage Flynn's testimony has done to Trump. What Flynn tells us is that the iniative to contact the Russians came from Trump, not the Russians. That's absolutely damning for Trump. The evidence previously available suggested that the iniative had come from the Russians, pointing towards the possibility that the rather naive Trump team had been more or les set up by the Russians. Now we know that Trump solicited Russian intervention, which tends to prove that he is indeed Putin's stooge or, even worse, the stooge of the gangsters behind Putin. That may well be the deep, dark secret that Trump was afraid Putin would tell. The onus is now on Trump to prove that he isn't an agent of a foreign power and the only way he can do that is to get Putin out of Ukraine.

    You are making stuff up. Flynn’s contact was post election, for foreign policy purposes. Completely different from the “collusion” nonsense.

    You aren’t an American so you must not know that the Russian story is purely a political tool to damage Trump. Elite Dems know it is a farce but it plays well with the denizens of Baltimore, South Chicago and Jackson, Mississippi. You also don’t realize that most Americans don’t give a flying crap about Ukraine or Putin.

    I would say instead of Trump having some onus, the onus is on you to display some knowledge of American politics and culture.

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    No need to be a USA citizens to understand the political games in the USA
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  56. Z-man says:
    @Wally
    You are wrong & easily shown to be wrong.

    I can see you didn't read my posted link and are now you're just making stuff up.
    And you're being crudely emotional because you have no argument.

    Pay attention:

    Top 20% pay 95% of taxes, middle class 'single digits

    50% of US workers pay NO fed income taxes

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/omb-top-20-pay-95-of-taxes-middle-class-single-digits/article/2638746

    more:
    The Tax Reform Disinformation Campaign: Americans Falsely Think Their Taxes Will Rise
    It is astonishing how American voters have come to be misinformed about tax reform.
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/08/the-tax-reform-disinformation-campaign-americans-falsely-think-their-taxes-will-rise/

    Those are all right wing (1 per centers) biased sources. While the rich/corporations pay the majority of the taxes the ‘gov’mnt’ wouldn’t be able to function without the taxes on the masses. The new tax ‘laws’ (brackets) actually increase taxes on the lower income levels to ‘make them feel that they’re in the game’. What a joke, on them! As I said taxes on the lower to lower middle income working people is regressive and oppressive. A sales tax on someone making $50,000 is more significant to that person than to someone making $5 million or $500,000. And they actually purchase buy many of the same things (consumables). The rich can afford to contribute more and they should. The income gap between the 1-2% and the rest has increased obscenely over the last 30 years and by making them pay more is only fair.
    Trickle down economics worked to some extent in the 80′s and 90′s but even Bush I had to raise taxes in 1990. And when his dumb son cut taxes in 2003 it indirectly led to the biggest meltdown since the great depression.
    I pay attention and I’m not impressed by your propaganda and ‘trumped’ up numbers and the majority of the American population agree with me, even Fox Business News can’t defend it, ’nuff said!

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    Why is "regressive" not used in relation to taxes as the opposite to "progressive"? Is it perhaps that it would leave one with no use for "regressive" because no one would think of creating a tax which was at a higher rate on the poor?

    Don't you think that taxes should be designed as user-pays or quid-pro-quo taxes before you start on the charity aspect of them - otherwise characterisable as using our superior voting nulmbers to grab the welfare we want?

    Unfortunately I see a problem with the common sense view that the prospérous benefit disproportionately from armed forces and police because they have so much to lose. Army and navy are indeed needed to protect us (in the Anglosphere) "against the envy of less happier lands" and police and prisons are needed to protect us from crime. But the poor in fact suffer much more ftom most kinds of serious crime than the rich. And who would suffer most if the Chinese took control of Anglosphere countries? I would bet on it being the lower paid who wouldn't have even the tesidual protection they have against the effect on theor real wages that globalisation has already inflicted.

    , @Ace
    Those biased right wingers! That's a useful insight.
    , @jilles dykstra
    Happen te be an economist.
    Trickle down is not an economic concept, and does not fit into any theory.
    Simply nonsense.
    , @Z-man
    And that's what makes the one tier flat tax such a bogus idea. 15% for some guy making 50K is a lot worse for him than 15% for somebody making 500K.
    Now if you had say 0%-10%-15%-22.5 %-30% flat rates, now that would work!
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  57. @The Anti-Gnostic
    In other words, special counsels don't find the law and get their man; they get their man and find the law.

    That is the way it goes and is why they say that US DA’s can indict and convict a ham sandwich. The yankee system follows the Lewis Carroll “Alice” method of punishment based on accusation rather than guilt.

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  58. @jilles dykstra
    A weird country, the USA.
    Do not know of any other country that has a law against contacts with a specified other country, a law making it impossible to interfere with price settinng in the pharmaceutical industry, and a law permitting an invasion of the Netherlands, in case a USA citizen is held in The Hague for trial by the International Court, to liberate the accused.

    Interesting. Please elaborate. I am sure I’m not the only UR reader who could use such info – not least when some craven minister in their government is about to roll over for the US to have its tummy tickled and his country’s self-respect sold our for nothing.

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  59. @Z-man
    Those are all right wing (1 per centers) biased sources. While the rich/corporations pay the majority of the taxes the 'gov'mnt' wouldn't be able to function without the taxes on the masses. The new tax 'laws' (brackets) actually increase taxes on the lower income levels to 'make them feel that they're in the game'. What a joke, on them! As I said taxes on the lower to lower middle income working people is regressive and oppressive. A sales tax on someone making $50,000 is more significant to that person than to someone making $5 million or $500,000. And they actually purchase buy many of the same things (consumables). The rich can afford to contribute more and they should. The income gap between the 1-2% and the rest has increased obscenely over the last 30 years and by making them pay more is only fair.
    Trickle down economics worked to some extent in the 80's and 90's but even Bush I had to raise taxes in 1990. And when his dumb son cut taxes in 2003 it indirectly led to the biggest meltdown since the great depression.
    I pay attention and I'm not impressed by your propaganda and 'trumped' up numbers and the majority of the American population agree with me, even Fox Business News can't defend it, 'nuff said!

    Why is “regressive” not used in relation to taxes as the opposite to “progressive”? Is it perhaps that it would leave one with no use for “regressive” because no one would think of creating a tax which was at a higher rate on the poor?

    Don’t you think that taxes should be designed as user-pays or quid-pro-quo taxes before you start on the charity aspect of them – otherwise characterisable as using our superior voting nulmbers to grab the welfare we want?

    Unfortunately I see a problem with the common sense view that the prospérous benefit disproportionately from armed forces and police because they have so much to lose. Army and navy are indeed needed to protect us (in the Anglosphere) “against the envy of less happier lands” and police and prisons are needed to protect us from crime. But the poor in fact suffer much more ftom most kinds of serious crime than the rich. And who would suffer most if the Chinese took control of Anglosphere countries? I would bet on it being the lower paid who wouldn’t have even the tesidual protection they have against the effect on theor real wages that globalisation has already inflicted.

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  60. Realist says:
    @norse nestor
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2u5Hz_y4fII

    Bedankt

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  61. Ace says:
    @jilles dykstra
    A weird country, the USA.
    Do not know of any other country that has a law against contacts with a specified other country, a law making it impossible to interfere with price settinng in the pharmaceutical industry, and a law permitting an invasion of the Netherlands, in case a USA citizen is held in The Hague for trial by the International Court, to liberate the accused.

    It’s true we’re weird. But the Dutch seem not to notice that their country is being taken over by Muslims, which is a bit weird too. It’s going around like nobody’s business.

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  62. Ace says:
    @Ben Frank
    Are we being asked to believe that China, with ten times Russia's economic strength, never tries to influence American politics?

    James Riady saved Bill Clinton when his primary campaign ran short of cash. I’m sure he was grateful to Riady, who was alleged to have ties to Chinese intelligence.

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  63. Ace says:
    @Z-man
    Those are all right wing (1 per centers) biased sources. While the rich/corporations pay the majority of the taxes the 'gov'mnt' wouldn't be able to function without the taxes on the masses. The new tax 'laws' (brackets) actually increase taxes on the lower income levels to 'make them feel that they're in the game'. What a joke, on them! As I said taxes on the lower to lower middle income working people is regressive and oppressive. A sales tax on someone making $50,000 is more significant to that person than to someone making $5 million or $500,000. And they actually purchase buy many of the same things (consumables). The rich can afford to contribute more and they should. The income gap between the 1-2% and the rest has increased obscenely over the last 30 years and by making them pay more is only fair.
    Trickle down economics worked to some extent in the 80's and 90's but even Bush I had to raise taxes in 1990. And when his dumb son cut taxes in 2003 it indirectly led to the biggest meltdown since the great depression.
    I pay attention and I'm not impressed by your propaganda and 'trumped' up numbers and the majority of the American population agree with me, even Fox Business News can't defend it, 'nuff said!

    Those biased right wingers! That’s a useful insight.

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    I should've used biased to the 1-2% that own the media and everything else!
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  64. Ace says:
    @exiled off mainstreet
    I fully concur with the commentary. Once the Martha Stewart case went forward and this "law" was not challenged, my view, at that time and since, was that the yankee imperium had entered the post-rule of law era. This is amply shown by the use this "law" has been put to. In the end, it was creeping extra-legal fascism that destroyed the rule of law in the US, not creeping socialism as was feared by certain elements in the '60s. The existence and enforcement of this provision is an affront to basic decency and the rule of law, and the legitimacy of any state which upholds such an extra-legal provision is non-existent.

    Progressives destroyed it. Hordes of smart people convinced that their brilliance was enough to resolve all difficulties without having to be hampered by law or simpletons in the voting booth. Hence, living Constitution and propositional nation and diversity and open borders.

    A five-man majority of the Supreme Court tells us what new perversion of nature or common sense we are to, um, swallow.

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  65. @DESERT FOX
    MH17 was in fact MH370 and was shot down by 2 Ukraine jets, and there were only corpses on board MH370.

    Sounds like a phantasy.
    Can you elaborate ?

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    It is a fact , research this subject on VeteransToday.com, Southfront.org, Whatreallyhappened.com, Sputniknews.com, Rense.com , Globalresearch.ca, etc..

    MH17 was MH370 and the people on board were all killed and the plane sent to the Ukraine and shot down, and it involved the deep state.
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  66. @Z-man
    Those are all right wing (1 per centers) biased sources. While the rich/corporations pay the majority of the taxes the 'gov'mnt' wouldn't be able to function without the taxes on the masses. The new tax 'laws' (brackets) actually increase taxes on the lower income levels to 'make them feel that they're in the game'. What a joke, on them! As I said taxes on the lower to lower middle income working people is regressive and oppressive. A sales tax on someone making $50,000 is more significant to that person than to someone making $5 million or $500,000. And they actually purchase buy many of the same things (consumables). The rich can afford to contribute more and they should. The income gap between the 1-2% and the rest has increased obscenely over the last 30 years and by making them pay more is only fair.
    Trickle down economics worked to some extent in the 80's and 90's but even Bush I had to raise taxes in 1990. And when his dumb son cut taxes in 2003 it indirectly led to the biggest meltdown since the great depression.
    I pay attention and I'm not impressed by your propaganda and 'trumped' up numbers and the majority of the American population agree with me, even Fox Business News can't defend it, 'nuff said!

    Happen te be an economist.
    Trickle down is not an economic concept, and does not fit into any theory.
    Simply nonsense.

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    W-hell that's why I said that even BushI had to raise taxes. I was trying to be nice to the trickle downers, lol!
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  67. @WJ
    You are making stuff up. Flynn's contact was post election, for foreign policy purposes. Completely different from the "collusion" nonsense.

    You aren't an American so you must not know that the Russian story is purely a political tool to damage Trump. Elite Dems know it is a farce but it plays well with the denizens of Baltimore, South Chicago and Jackson, Mississippi. You also don't realize that most Americans don't give a flying crap about Ukraine or Putin.

    I would say instead of Trump having some onus, the onus is on you to display some knowledge of American politics and culture.

    No need to be a USA citizens to understand the political games in the USA

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  68. In Washington, there is no one who does not lie. Flynn is no exception, and Bob Mueller and Comey have been lying all the time. Stay cool!

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  69. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    I must characterize your comment as insincere.
    Trump from the onset of his campaign declared openly that he wants a better relationship with Russia.
    Trump has a good sixth sense. From the view of geopolitics this was a correct decision.
    But US political swamp which is fully in the pocket of Globalist, and of course seventeen intelligence agencies that created their debacle in Ukraine, were blinded by hatred of Russia for making successful
    (in my opinion fully predictable) defensive moves. ( Also in my opinion Russians did not go far enough)
    What is most important here is to realize the damage what these reckless harebrained entities have done.
    They have pushed Russia fully to be faithful to China-North Korea camp.
    By this North Korea is even more emboldened.
    And this is, and it will be such a migraine for for US that all pharmaceutical companies in US will not be able to help

    What damage ?
    They saved a great part of the world from being under the USA yoke, and liberated us.
    You see this in that all European leaders dare to condemn Trump on giving Jerusalem to Israel, and, if it is true what I read on the Russia Today site, even Pakistan becomes rebellious, shooting down USA drones.
    The problem for me is that a lot of people in the EU member states now will think we need a European army, strenghtening the Brussels dictatorial court.

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  70. @jilles dykstra
    Sounds like a phantasy.
    Can you elaborate ?

    It is a fact , research this subject on VeteransToday.com, Southfront.org, Whatreallyhappened.com, Sputniknews.com, Rense.com , Globalresearch.ca, etc..

    MH17 was MH370 and the people on board were all killed and the plane sent to the Ukraine and shot down, and it involved the deep state.

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    Hard to believe.
    Dutch forensic experts, through DNA analysis, identified all passengers on the list, except six, from remains found in Ukraine.
    Moreover, there is no doubt that the plane started at Schiphol airport, near Amsterdam, and was under air traffic control until the disaster.
    There is little doubt with me that MH370 existed.
    It also was under air traffic control, at first.
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  71. Z-man says:
    @Z-man
    Those are all right wing (1 per centers) biased sources. While the rich/corporations pay the majority of the taxes the 'gov'mnt' wouldn't be able to function without the taxes on the masses. The new tax 'laws' (brackets) actually increase taxes on the lower income levels to 'make them feel that they're in the game'. What a joke, on them! As I said taxes on the lower to lower middle income working people is regressive and oppressive. A sales tax on someone making $50,000 is more significant to that person than to someone making $5 million or $500,000. And they actually purchase buy many of the same things (consumables). The rich can afford to contribute more and they should. The income gap between the 1-2% and the rest has increased obscenely over the last 30 years and by making them pay more is only fair.
    Trickle down economics worked to some extent in the 80's and 90's but even Bush I had to raise taxes in 1990. And when his dumb son cut taxes in 2003 it indirectly led to the biggest meltdown since the great depression.
    I pay attention and I'm not impressed by your propaganda and 'trumped' up numbers and the majority of the American population agree with me, even Fox Business News can't defend it, 'nuff said!

    And that’s what makes the one tier flat tax such a bogus idea. 15% for some guy making 50K is a lot worse for him than 15% for somebody making 500K.
    Now if you had say 0%-10%-15%-22.5 %-30% flat rates, now that would work!

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  72. Z-man says:
    @Ace
    Those biased right wingers! That's a useful insight.

    I should’ve used biased to the 1-2% that own the media and everything else!

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    Gotcha. Thanks.
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  73. Z-man says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Happen te be an economist.
    Trickle down is not an economic concept, and does not fit into any theory.
    Simply nonsense.

    W-hell that’s why I said that even BushI had to raise taxes. I was trying to be nice to the trickle downers, lol!

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  74. Che Guava says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    For God's sake!!!!!

    Martha Steward was set up!

    Please do not be naive.

    I am not believing you. It is also ‘Stewart’, not ‘Steward’. I am having no interest in her activities, but can see she is setting up ‘net propaganda wars to claiming no crime.

    You are an example.

    If she was ‘set up’, as you are saying, by whom and how?

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    I am sorry because i did make a note on something while not knowing fully of the subject.
    To clear it up, how many Martha Stewart's are around?
    I was speaking about Martha the cooking girl.
    She made a lot of money on television.
    Than she was encouraged to invest some of it in stock market.
    Than she was accused of receiving inside information, and she was put in jail.
    The affair did seem to me extremely fishy.
    At that time I was totally convinced that she was set up.
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  75. @Che Guava
    I am not believing you. It is also 'Stewart', not 'Steward'. I am having no interest in her activities, but can see she is setting up 'net propaganda wars to claiming no crime.

    You are an example.

    If she was 'set up', as you are saying, by whom and how?

    I am sorry because i did make a note on something while not knowing fully of the subject.
    To clear it up, how many Martha Stewart’s are around?
    I was speaking about Martha the cooking girl.
    She made a lot of money on television.
    Than she was encouraged to invest some of it in stock market.
    Than she was accused of receiving inside information, and she was put in jail.
    The affair did seem to me extremely fishy.
    At that time I was totally convinced that she was set up.

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    How many? I have no idea, not having such a low level of heart as to do such things. Even when knowing something about stock price effect from work, would never acting on it nor to share the info. with others who may take advantage.

    Many have no such scruples.

    It is amusing and telling that Ilana is thinking insider trading is alright.
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  76. Che Guava says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    I am sorry because i did make a note on something while not knowing fully of the subject.
    To clear it up, how many Martha Stewart's are around?
    I was speaking about Martha the cooking girl.
    She made a lot of money on television.
    Than she was encouraged to invest some of it in stock market.
    Than she was accused of receiving inside information, and she was put in jail.
    The affair did seem to me extremely fishy.
    At that time I was totally convinced that she was set up.

    How many? I have no idea, not having such a low level of heart as to do such things. Even when knowing something about stock price effect from work, would never acting on it nor to share the info. with others who may take advantage.

    Many have no such scruples.

    It is amusing and telling that Ilana is thinking insider trading is alright.

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    Cat circling the plate with hot milk?
    That is what you get with global warming?
    But where is the link to the content of this article?
    I must be really stupid!
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  77. I think Mrs. Mercer is spot on with the Headline. Flynn lied and now he pays the price. The Russian collusion thing is pure rubbish imo.
    Someone was seeking info and the Russians were happy to supply whatever dirt they had. Thats’s not collusion , that is standard intel operations. But now it is “collusion” “Foreign threat” and bla, bla spouted by MSM 24/7 is just rubbish.
    Flynn lied which was stupid beyond belief, if he had told truth, there would be nothing.
    So the basic problem with the Trump administration is stupidity, low IQ, call it what you will, but we are many that were aware of that when Trump announced his running.
    I am no conservative, on the contrary I am very anti, but have so been able to have a dialogue with them, but Trump si no conservative, he is a dangerous Populist, and that I very opposed to.
    Conservatism in the US is now in the hands of Populism and Fascism

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    Populism generally involves doing what the majority of the people want when legally possible. What is so bad or dangerous about that in a supposed democracy?
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  78. @DESERT FOX
    It is a fact , research this subject on VeteransToday.com, Southfront.org, Whatreallyhappened.com, Sputniknews.com, Rense.com , Globalresearch.ca, etc..

    MH17 was MH370 and the people on board were all killed and the plane sent to the Ukraine and shot down, and it involved the deep state.

    Hard to believe.
    Dutch forensic experts, through DNA analysis, identified all passengers on the list, except six, from remains found in Ukraine.
    Moreover, there is no doubt that the plane started at Schiphol airport, near Amsterdam, and was under air traffic control until the disaster.
    There is little doubt with me that MH370 existed.
    It also was under air traffic control, at first.

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    The deep state can do things that seem hard to believe but are true, this had to do with a certain group of computer programers that were on MH370 and their program was then able to be taken over by some very high up bankers . The passengers were gassed and MH370 flown to the Ukraine and then shot down, do the research and you will find the answer.


    MH17 was MH370, STANGE BUT TRUE.
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  79. @Che Guava
    How many? I have no idea, not having such a low level of heart as to do such things. Even when knowing something about stock price effect from work, would never acting on it nor to share the info. with others who may take advantage.

    Many have no such scruples.

    It is amusing and telling that Ilana is thinking insider trading is alright.

    Cat circling the plate with hot milk?
    That is what you get with global warming?
    But where is the link to the content of this article?
    I must be really stupid!

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    Perhaps the final line of ynur post is true.

    I would not be so rude as to saying it, they are your own words. from your own post, and are seeming to be accurate.
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  80. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Protocols of the elders of Zion

    All i can find are reviews and the US holocaust museum discrediting it. Got a link?

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  81. edNels says:

    Martha Stewart should be president, she could go to the White House and… bake cookies! Big improvement! Hitlery would be double pissed!

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  82. @jilles dykstra
    Hard to believe.
    Dutch forensic experts, through DNA analysis, identified all passengers on the list, except six, from remains found in Ukraine.
    Moreover, there is no doubt that the plane started at Schiphol airport, near Amsterdam, and was under air traffic control until the disaster.
    There is little doubt with me that MH370 existed.
    It also was under air traffic control, at first.

    The deep state can do things that seem hard to believe but are true, this had to do with a certain group of computer programers that were on MH370 and their program was then able to be taken over by some very high up bankers . The passengers were gassed and MH370 flown to the Ukraine and then shot down, do the research and you will find the answer.

    MH17 was MH370, STANGE BUT TRUE.

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  83. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic
    In other words, special counsels don't find the law and get their man; they get their man and find the law.

    “In other words, special counsels don’t find the law and get their man; they get their man and find the law.”

    You as an alleged lawyer ought to know better. Mueller is employing the rule of law here with his cadre of experts. You work the outside edges of a conspiracy theory, one that is deep and pervasive and complex. To a number of people, it’s “unbelievable”, as if something of a Hollywood script.

    Please educate yourself.

    https://twitter.com/SethAbramson?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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  84. Conclusion.
    All I can see is the invisible black hand in all cases.
    Martha was set up.
    Kennedy was set up.
    Nixon was set up.
    Trump is now being set up.

    Concerning Flin The talking black hand told him that his son will be killed if he is not cooperating.
    Who is this black hand you may ask.
    So I will tel you.
    He is the Godfather.

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  85. Ace says:
    @Z-man
    I should've used biased to the 1-2% that own the media and everything else!

    Gotcha. Thanks.

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  86. MarkinLA says:
    @Den Lille Abe
    I think Mrs. Mercer is spot on with the Headline. Flynn lied and now he pays the price. The Russian collusion thing is pure rubbish imo.
    Someone was seeking info and the Russians were happy to supply whatever dirt they had. Thats's not collusion , that is standard intel operations. But now it is "collusion" "Foreign threat" and bla, bla spouted by MSM 24/7 is just rubbish.
    Flynn lied which was stupid beyond belief, if he had told truth, there would be nothing.
    So the basic problem with the Trump administration is stupidity, low IQ, call it what you will, but we are many that were aware of that when Trump announced his running.
    I am no conservative, on the contrary I am very anti, but have so been able to have a dialogue with them, but Trump si no conservative, he is a dangerous Populist, and that I very opposed to.
    Conservatism in the US is now in the hands of Populism and Fascism

    Populism generally involves doing what the majority of the people want when legally possible. What is so bad or dangerous about that in a supposed democracy?

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  87. llloyd says: • Website
    @jilles dykstra
    A weird country, the USA.
    Do not know of any other country that has a law against contacts with a specified other country, a law making it impossible to interfere with price settinng in the pharmaceutical industry, and a law permitting an invasion of the Netherlands, in case a USA citizen is held in The Hague for trial by the International Court, to liberate the accused.

    Also, State laws requiring American companies to trade with Israeli companies. Also a State law requiring Americans to forfeit their religious consciences when in trade.

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  88. Che Guava says:
    @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Cat circling the plate with hot milk?
    That is what you get with global warming?
    But where is the link to the content of this article?
    I must be really stupid!

    Perhaps the final line of ynur post is true.

    I would not be so rude as to saying it, they are your own words. from your own post, and are seeming to be accurate.

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  89. Che Guava says:

    Perhaps the final line of your post is true.

    I would not be so rude as to saying it, they are your own words. from your own post, and are seeming to be accurate.

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  90. Svigor says:

    Two of the three guys caught up in the SwampenMueller fishing expedition have been charged with…lying to Stasi FBI.

    The lesson? Don’t talk to po-po! That’s what lawyers are for! Interrogations are where your lawyer answers po-po’s questions. Interrogations without lawyers are where you ask for a taxpayer-funded lawyer, and when you will be allowed to leave.

    There are only a few appropriate things to say to po-po, if you aren’t a lawyer:

    “I want a lawyer.”
    “Where’s my lawyer?”
    “I’m hungry.”
    “I’m thirsty.”
    “I need to use the bathroom.”
    “Can I leave now?”

    All these Harvard grads should really brush up on the law. If 2 of the 3 guys in the dock right now (Flynn, and the Greek guy, whateveropolous) had followed this advice, they’d be free men right now.

    Don’t talk to po-po!

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    Don’t talk to po-po!
     
    Yep. Flynn was either set up/sold out by White House lawyers AND other members of Trump's team, or his guilty plea was staged to cover up some larger deal between Flynn and the Swamp.

    Either Flynn had an unrelated legal problem that was much larger than "lying to the FBI," or he and his family have been threatened to intimidate Flynn himself and others in similar positions.

    For the sake of all Americans, Trump should look very carefully at who did what in connection with Flynn, and whether or not actions and omissions at the time were good faith efforts to move the administration forward.

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  91. Svigor says:

    The frantic tone of the article shows just how much damage Flynn’s testimony has done to Trump.

    Yes, the dreaded “tone” damage. The whole thing is a nothingburger. Commies’ (i.e., you) frantic wig-half-off screeching for a year with nothing to show for it proves that.

    Stupid communist mope, lol.

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  92. Svigor says:

    I fully concur with the commentary. Once the Martha Stewart case went forward and this “law” was not challenged, my view, at that time and since, was that the yankee imperium had entered the post-rule of law era. This is amply shown by the use this “law” has been put to. In the end, it was creeping extra-legal fascism that destroyed the rule of law in the US, not creeping socialism as was feared by certain elements in the ’60s. The existence and enforcement of this provision is an affront to basic decency and the rule of law, and the legitimacy of any state which upholds such an extra-legal provision is non-existent.

    Well, we certainly entered into the post-talking-to-popo era. If they want you badly enough, the state will charge you with lying to po-po; a perfect reason never to talk to po-po, except to ask for your lawyer, ask if you’re free to leave, or describe what part of the floor you’ll be pissing and shitting on if you aren’t given food, water, a bathroom break, etc.

    I am no fan of American criminal law or its enforcement. They hardly seem to be the kind of adjunct to the “demovracy” the US seeks to export that it will find helpful in the sales pitch. However I am amazed that sophisticated people questioned by the FBI don’t use an equivalent to the Fifth Amendment by saying “I don’t intend to lie to you but refuse to answer any of your questions unless I am immune to prosecution under Section 1001 of Title 18 [maybe adding 'except for denying an act which is itself a crime that I have been told is being investigated']“.

    Lol, this is way too complicated.

    “[po-po question here]”
    “I want a lawyer” or “where’s my lawyer?” or “I need food” or “I need water” or “I need a bathroom break” or “am I free to leave?” or “when will I be free to leave?”

    Simple.

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  93. Svigor says:

    You as an alleged lawyer ought to know better. Mueller is employing the rule of law here with his cadre of experts. You work the outside edges of a conspiracy theory, one that is deep and pervasive and complex. To a number of people, it’s “unbelievable”, as if something of a Hollywood script.

    Please educate yourself.

    Please learn to write, and stop butchering my language. You write like a high school freshman.

    It’s a fishing expedition. It’s all based on a lie, cooked up by the Democrat Party, deep state scum, the KGB, and various swamp scum and their allies. That’s why (((Strzok))) the swamp rat went from heading counterintel at FBI, to riding pine in HR (the quintessential “pack your shit for prison/Alaska” posting); he vouched for the Steele Dossier,a KGB/Democrat Party scam. Mueller’s entire team is anti-Trump partisan swamp rats, so it’s not the anti-Trump texts that got him shitcanned. It was the Steele Dossier, which was the genesis of the whole Russia flap and the phony basis for Mueller’s dog and pony fishing expedition.

    That’s why there the whole thing will die the whimpering death of a nothingburger. It’s one part political theater, and one part fishing expedition.

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  94. Eagle Eye says:
    @Svigor
    Two of the three guys caught up in the SwampenMueller fishing expedition have been charged with...lying to Stasi FBI.

    The lesson? Don't talk to po-po! That's what lawyers are for! Interrogations are where your lawyer answers po-po's questions. Interrogations without lawyers are where you ask for a taxpayer-funded lawyer, and when you will be allowed to leave.

    There are only a few appropriate things to say to po-po, if you aren't a lawyer:

    "I want a lawyer."
    "Where's my lawyer?"
    "I'm hungry."
    "I'm thirsty."
    "I need to use the bathroom."
    "Can I leave now?"

    All these Harvard grads should really brush up on the law. If 2 of the 3 guys in the dock right now (Flynn, and the Greek guy, whateveropolous) had followed this advice, they'd be free men right now.

    Don't talk to po-po!

    Don’t talk to po-po!

    Yep. Flynn was either set up/sold out by White House lawyers AND other members of Trump’s team, or his guilty plea was staged to cover up some larger deal between Flynn and the Swamp.

    Either Flynn had an unrelated legal problem that was much larger than “lying to the FBI,” or he and his family have been threatened to intimidate Flynn himself and others in similar positions.

    For the sake of all Americans, Trump should look very carefully at who did what in connection with Flynn, and whether or not actions and omissions at the time were good faith efforts to move the administration forward.

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    "For the sake of all Americans, Trump should look very carefully at who did what in connection with Flynn..."

    Then you would agree that Trump would have to enable investigators to look into his own activities.

    Please educate yourself on this important matter.

    https://twitter.com/SethAbramson?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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  95. They really are an ‘organ of the state.’ Huma, etal lied about Hillary’s emails, and nothing happened to them.

    The FBI is tainted, and if we lived in an honest country, we would purge the bunch of them, with forfeited pensions for most and prison for some.

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  96. Corvinus says:
    @Eagle Eye

    Don’t talk to po-po!
     
    Yep. Flynn was either set up/sold out by White House lawyers AND other members of Trump's team, or his guilty plea was staged to cover up some larger deal between Flynn and the Swamp.

    Either Flynn had an unrelated legal problem that was much larger than "lying to the FBI," or he and his family have been threatened to intimidate Flynn himself and others in similar positions.

    For the sake of all Americans, Trump should look very carefully at who did what in connection with Flynn, and whether or not actions and omissions at the time were good faith efforts to move the administration forward.

    “For the sake of all Americans, Trump should look very carefully at who did what in connection with Flynn…”

    Then you would agree that Trump would have to enable investigators to look into his own activities.

    Please educate yourself on this important matter.

    https://twitter.com/SethAbramson?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

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    FN BS,
    Hillary got billions from all over the world put them in her foundation than she pulled out from it anytime as much she needed.

    There are professional thieves and professional crooks.
    And there are amateur thieves and amateur crooks.
    Booth are the same thieves and crooks.
    Only difference thing is that only amateurs get caught.
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  97. @Corvinus
    "For the sake of all Americans, Trump should look very carefully at who did what in connection with Flynn..."

    Then you would agree that Trump would have to enable investigators to look into his own activities.

    Please educate yourself on this important matter.

    https://twitter.com/SethAbramson?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

    FN BS,
    Hillary got billions from all over the world put them in her foundation than she pulled out from it anytime as much she needed.

    There are professional thieves and professional crooks.
    And there are amateur thieves and amateur crooks.
    Booth are the same thieves and crooks.
    Only difference thing is that only amateurs get caught.

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  98. rick123 says:

    your article is so miss leading. Why not go over the money he received from turkey to send a cleric living in the US over to the Turkish dictator to be executed? Very illegal, but he is a right wing nut so all’s forgiven. working for a foreign government while collecting money US taxpayer money. That’s so very corrupt.. But I guess he’s your hero.

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