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CNN’s Jake Tapper wanted to know if there was anything that could have prevented the murderous rampage, in Manhattan, by a Muslim immigrant, who had been recruited to live in America for no good reason. Once upon a time that was known as a rhetorical question. To ask the question would have been to answer it.

Broadcaster Mark Levin was no less obscurantist. You can’t bring certain individuals like the culprit, Uzbek Sayfullo Saipov, into the US, because … of their governments, Levin raged on Fox News. There’s no way to vet individuals from chaotic countries with ineffective governments.

Sure, you can vet immigrants. Find out which faith they practice.

Mark should have said, “You can’t bring Muslims into the US because of their faith. It predisposes them to violence,” which is pretty much what President Donald J. Trump stated during his 2016 campaign.

The president’s first limited, immigration moratorium has expired. Let us hope that, following the murder-by-Muslim-immigrant of eight pedestrians along Manhattan’s West Side Highway—Saipov ran them over in a rented pickup truck—the president follows through, in the teeth of treasonous opposition, and expands the original “travel ban” beyond the six Muslim-majority nations to which it applied.

For a Muslim ban is neither illogical, immoral, or un-libertarian.

Violent Jihad is not an ideology, as our Moderate Muslim friends keep calling it. Jihad is a pillar of a faith. That faith is Islam.

Christianity has just commemorated 500 years since its Reformation. Islam has yet to undergo a reformation; it’s still radical. Yes, there are many moderate Muslims. Perhaps a majority of them. But their existence and their moderate beliefs do not belie Islam’s radicalness.

The fact that there are moderate Muslims doesn’t mean there is a moderate Islam—or that these moderates won’t sire sons who’ll embrace the unreformed Islam. The data show that young, second-generation Muslims are well-represented among terrorists acting out almost weekly across the West.

Vetting will do nothing to stop second-generation Muslim Americans. These are American citizens or legal residents, as Saipov is, who’re more prone to act out on their faith than their parents.

Religion is The Risk Factor, not chaotic countries-of-origin. It’s impossible to vet migrants not because of ISIS infiltration, or countries in disarray, but because Islam is a risk factor. Their Muslim faith puts Muslims in a security risk group.

Being Muslim is a predisposing characteristic, a risk factor, if you will, for eruptions associated with this religion. By “a risk factor,” I mean that Islam predisposes its believers to aggression against The Other. For in Islam we have a religion that doubles up as a political system that counsels conquest, not co-existence. (“Islam’s borders are bloody,” cautioned Samuel Huntington.)

A preponderance of Muslims will remain dormant. But, as we see almost daily in the West or in the Muslim world (where Muslim factions vie for religious dominance), a Muslim individual could be “triggered” at any time to act on his radical religion.

So what if Moderate Muslims assure us Saipov was acting out-of-faith. That’s irrelevant to the irreversible outcomes.

ORDER IT NOW

It’s a distraction to claim, as The Moderates do, that the Jihadi is misinterpreting Islam, and that we must all do battle for the real Islam, a thing as elusive as bigfoot or the unicorn. Fact: A Muslim’s actions, be they in accordance with the real Islam or not—sanctioned theologically or not—could be deadly.

Consider:

Proposition 1: The faith of all Muslims is Islam.

Proposition 2: Islam teaches and sanctions some disturbing things like Jihad against the infidel.

Proposition 3: Some Muslims, practitioners of Islam, will be prone to act on teachings that are indisputably part of Islam.

While most Muslims are not terrorists, an unusually large number is willing to dabble in the lifestyle.

Policy is meant as a declaration of the common good. On average, a bunch of people that commits more faith-based murders than another group (say non-Muslim Chinese) is unsuitable as a source of immigration to the US.

In other words, all Muslims can thrive in America. But not all Americans will thrive in the presence of Muslims. Again, this is because the faith of Muslims is Islam. And Islam—the real or the imposter variety; it matters not—predisposes to violence. Some Americans will be hurt or die as a result of importing members of this militant faith.

More important, public policy is about aggregates. On the whole, it’s supposed to benefit, and certainly not endanger, the collective. Because of its immense potential to harm, libertarians believe the entity that executes public policy, the government, should do very little. And the duty of an American government is to safeguard its own citizens, not to welcome the world’s.

Rejecting Muslim immigrants won’t kill Americans. Accepting them might.

Not only is American public policy not meant to benefit the world; it’s not a means to a diplomatic end—appeasing the Muslim partners of our crooked lawmakers. Law must minimize aggregate harm. (Sensible, reality bound libertarians will embrace Popperian minimal harm, not Bentham’s maximum happiness, for the most people.)

U.S. public policy must, very plainly, keep Americans safe AND ALIVE without aggressing against foreign nations. It has no obligation whatsoever to make Muslims whole or happy—especially if this could end up costing American lives, stateside.

Since humanity has no inherent, natural right to venture wherever, whenever—stopping Muslim mass migration into the U.S. not only makes good sense, but doesn’t violate humanity’s natural rights.

Ilana Mercer has been writing a weekly paleolibertarian column since 1999, and is the author of The Trump Revolution: The Donald’s Creative Destruction Deconstructed (June, 2016) & Into the Cannibal’s Pot: Lessons for America From Post-Apartheid South Africa (2011). Follow her on Twitter, Facebook & YouTube.

 
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  1. a ban on Zionists is logical, moral, even libertarian.

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    • Replies: @Issac
    I don't see why the two would be mutually exclusive, though neither one appears to be politically feasible.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    a ban on Zionists is logical, moral, even libertarian.
     
    And all those Soviet Jews would have gone to Israel, rather than half of them here.

    Two problemswith that, though. Arabs would have been even more pissed at us. And many of the Soviet Jews were an improvement over the ones here.
    , @Ace
    Would it be possible to stay focused on the topic addressed by the author?

    A damn fine piece let it be said.
    , @Wally
    Indeed, Jews & their bowing leftists demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe while they support very strict Israeli immigration laws which allow JEWS ONLY.
    , @Druid
    These Ziofascist POS never miss a chance to bash Moslems. They've been doing it spice the 70s. I've been watching. This Mercer I think is a South African Jew. There the biggest Ziofascists. And racists!
    , @LauraMR
    A Zionist ban is as impractical and irrational as a Muslim one... as would be a ban on Democrats or Tarzan's fans.

    Consider how easy it would be to circumvent.

    - Have you ever been a fan of Tarzan?

    - Nope.

    - What a relief, please do come in, here are the keys to the house.

    A Muslim ban is, in fact, illogical, immoral, and unethical... as well as impractical and irrational.

    Besides which it accomplishes nothing but to naively confess the (otherwise untrue) utter dearth of capacity on our side, meaning, that the only solution we could possibly imagine would be the final solution. Which is absurd. We can do better, much better. And we are, as a matter of fact, doing much better. Despite all the mistakes and, indeed, as proven by the many mistakes.
    , @Corvinus
    "a ban on Zionists is logical, moral, even libertarian."

    I always have to laugh when such pronouncements are made because they are rooted in pie in the sky notions. First, who makes this determination as to who is a Zionist? What group of people essentially "play God"? Second, what are the metrics involved? What are the specific criteria involved? Third, what is the prescribed consequence? Again, what group of people "play God" in determining the "appropriate punishment". Fourth, what constitutional questions arise if these individuals are American citizens? How do we rectify this issue? Fifth, what happens when their supporters come to their defense? Will there be an army of citizen-soldiers at the ready to remove by force those deemed a Zionist?

    That is why such a statement is utterly foolish, and those who support such a statement are fools themselves.

    "Jihad is a pillar of a faith. That faith is Islam."

    Actually, Mercer, you really need to become educated as to what is and what is not jihad.

    http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/625619/Muslim-Fatwa-ISIS-Islamic-State-al-Qaeda-Taliban-Islam-Paris-Attacks-Daesh
    , @Haxo Angmark
    in fact, it's long past time

    for Ilana to make aliyah
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  2. Since humanity has no inherent, natural right to venture wherever, whenever—stopping Muslim mass migration into the U.S. not only makes good sense, but doesn’t violate humanity’s natural rights.

    Humanity’s got all sorts of natural rights, but if people don’t force their governments to honor them, then it doesn’t mean a hill of beans. Meanwhile, the US Constitution has no language in it that has a damn thing to do with rights of foreigners. So, yeah, duh.

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  3. A ban on those bumbling, illiterate, brutish ragheads of the ME is logical, moral, even libertarian. America must remain a Zionist occupied territory for the sole purpose of serving the goal of Greater Israel.

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    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov

    A ban on those bumbling, illiterate, brutish ragheads of the ME is logical, moral, even libertarian. America must remain a Zionist occupied territory for the sole purpose of serving the goal of Greater Israel.
     
    You just presented a perfect, in fact the best, example of being manipulated by... neocons, who unified two issues in one mutually exclusive and damaging to the US duality. Here how it goes in US in neocon framework: Islam is bad and Israel is automatically good. Hence your response. There is no separation, none whatsoever. Reality, however, (see dictionary for the definition of reality) is such that two issues are NOT really connected:

    1. Islam and Western culture (what's left of it anyway) are NOT compatible and there are serious legitimate issues with Sunni Islam. With or without US aggression and mayhem it created in the ME Muslims who profess Sharia are not integratable into Western societies, period. It is not a theorem, it is an axiom.

    2. All of that has NOTHING to do with Israel, which:

    a) Despite its constant boasting and being a hot bed of gay "culture" is not realistically a Western culture.

    b) Israel's problems with Arabs are Israel's problems only and have NO relation whatsoever, in any plane, to legitimate problems with Islam in Western societies.

    So, your sarcasm, while understandable, is absolutely misplaced. West's real problems with Islam and Israel's problems with Arabs (and Islam), some of them legitimate for Israel, MUST be completely decoupled. One does not relate to the other. Bad Muslims in Texas or New Jersey are in no way related to anything Israel in terms of any causalities and can not in any way be associated with Israel's problems (and aspirations).

    It is really sad that neocons so well coupled two different issues. In short, Muslim problem in the West, and it is a huge one, should never invoke Israel in any way. This is West's problem, not Israel's. I hope I expressed myself clearly. If need be I will elaborate.
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  4. KenH says:

    Another Muslim terrorist with a face and a beard only a mother could love. If the Manhattan terrorist was a white nationalist and Trump exhorted Congress to ban white nationalism then the Congress would have unanimously passed a bill and Trump would be signing it as I write this. But since the terrorist was Muslim and non-whites & Muslims are never guilty for their murder sprees against Westerners then any punitive measures against Muslims would be deemed racist and “Islamophobic” and our elected representative are much too broad minded and cool for that not to mention fearful of Jewish political power.

    Generally speaking, Muslims do not belong in the Western world. I don’t say this because I blindly hate Muslims, but there are jarring worldviews, legal systems, religious and political beliefs and cultural norms between Muslims and Westerners that make coexistence next to impossible and which will sow the seeds of violent conflict as we’re seeing in the U.K. and Europe. This should be obvious to anyone with an IQ just north of room temperature or who’s not an ideological hardliner or “love thy third worlder as thyself” Christian.

    A Muslim ban is long overdue. In fact, a ban on all non-whites is long overdue. The people we let into our nations wouldn’t allow whites into theirs, so there’s no reason why we should accept them.

    But Ilana’s kinsmen in the Jewish occupied government will not allow a sane immigration policy (i.e., no third world people). Muslims are just one of the many groups of non-white/third world groups being imported by Jews to become our executioners when the time is ripe.

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    • Replies: @Ace
    Ilana's saying the same thing you are but all you can think about where she's concerned is her kinsmen. You're right about those kinsmen but let's recognize she's taking a position opposed to that of her kinsmen in fact.
    , @tjm
    WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You talk about Jewish influence, but ignore that influence that creates the wars in the Middle East and the subsequent migration.

    And I am SURE a limitation of Americans "migrating" to the Middle East bringing our wars, would be far more beneficial to them than a migration ban to America.
    , @SMK
    "Radical Islamism," "radical jihadism," "jihadist extremism," this "fanatical, twisted, radical ideology (Sean Hannity), ad nauseam, as if this radicalism, extremism, and ideology" were distinct from and a perversion of the "religion of peace" founded by Muhammad" in the early 7th Century, a blood-thirsty warlord and the first jihadist and Muslim terrorist.

    "Moderate Muslim" and "moderate Islam are oxymorons. Islam is inherently radical and extreme. Islam could only be "reformed" by renouncing the teachings and exhortations of "the Prophet" and his "holy book." But Muslims who renounces the teachings and exhortations of Muhammad and the Koran would no longer be Muslims.
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  5. Issac says:
    @Haxo Angmark
    a ban on Zionists is logical, moral, even libertarian.

    I don’t see why the two would be mutually exclusive, though neither one appears to be politically feasible.

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    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t see why the two would be mutually exclusive, though neither one appears to be politically feasible.
     
    Lump 'em together as Semites.
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  6. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    If it’s fine to ban Muslims, it should also be fine to ban Jews.

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

    If it’s fine to ban Muslims, it should also be fine to ban Jews.
     
    Just ban everybody for a while, say 30-50 years.
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  7. Christianity has just commemorated 500 years since its Reformation. Islam has yet to undergo a reformation; it’s still radical.

    Islam, like Protestantism, is the “Reformation”. That’s the problem, not the solution.

    In many ways, Islam is “progressive”, even more so than National Socialism. That right there is good reason for Islamophobia.

    When outsiders fear Islam, it means the Koran is working.

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  8. @Issac
    I don't see why the two would be mutually exclusive, though neither one appears to be politically feasible.

    I don’t see why the two would be mutually exclusive, though neither one appears to be politically feasible.

    Lump ‘em together as Semites.

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    Amazing idea.
    , @helena
    Europeans have been outwitted and outbred by Semitism in the round. Turns out Europeans are a side branch not the trunk. But when the SubSaharan population explodes will the Fence across the Sinai hold fast?
    , @RadicalCenter
    The great majority of Muslims are not Arabs / Semites. They are Indian, Pakistani, Nigerian, Persian, or Turkish, roughly in that order.

    They should be excluded based on the ideology of Islam, not based on race.
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  9. @Haxo Angmark
    a ban on Zionists is logical, moral, even libertarian.

    a ban on Zionists is logical, moral, even libertarian.

    And all those Soviet Jews would have gone to Israel, rather than half of them here.

    Two problemswith that, though. Arabs would have been even more pissed at us. And many of the Soviet Jews were an improvement over the ones here.

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    If we were neutral on the Israeli Palestine conflict and the whole Judaism versus Islam conflict (which is an ancient racial grudge match, as Judaism is a racial-identity movement rather than a regular religion and the Muslims,the Jews encountered for many centuries were in fact mostly Arabs), there would be no reason to hate us because of soviet Jews or anyone else going to Israel.
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  10. @Anonymous
    If it's fine to ban Muslims, it should also be fine to ban Jews.

    If it’s fine to ban Muslims, it should also be fine to ban Jews.

    Just ban everybody for a while, say 30-50 years.

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  11. CalDre says:

    Why am I not surprised to read that this Jew supremacist immigrant wants to expel Muslims? Unlike the Christian cattle, they cannot be easily converted to serve Jews via the “secular humanist” religion Jews have manufactured for them.

    I have a better suggestions. Ban all Zionist Jews first; or, at least, ban them from government, media, universities and other areas where they can spread their nefarious “ideas”. Then all of these other problems, instigated by Jew supremacists who consider the natives around them savage beasts to rule, will go away of their own.

    By the way, (((Ms. Mercer))), how many terrorist attacks by Muslims were there in the US before your co-tribalist supremacists got the US involved fighting ME wars for your homeland? You see, kicking out your ilk will serve several noble goals, not only getting rid of your nefarious influence but the retaliation dumb Americans face for allowing themselves to be influenced by your ilk.

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    • Replies: @the Supreme Gentleman

    Why am I not surprised to read that this Jew supremacist immigrant wants to expel Muslims? Unlike the Christian cattle, they cannot be easily converted to serve Jews via the “secular humanist” religion Jews have manufactured for them.
     
    Is this some sort of joke? Isn't the UR comments section consensus that Jews want Muslim immigration to continue for [nefarious purposes]?
    , @Druid
    Well said and totally agree. There were no terrorist attacks until the 70s with the illegal wars of Israel and the complicity of the US
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  12. MarkinPNW says:

    Since foreign Muslim terrorists and recruited, radicalized, and financed by the CIA, and domestic ones by the FBI (through instigation, entrapment, etc.) can we also ban (or disband) the CIA and FBI?

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    • Replies: @denk
    JFK entertained that idea.......
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  13. @CalDre
    Why am I not surprised to read that this Jew supremacist immigrant wants to expel Muslims? Unlike the Christian cattle, they cannot be easily converted to serve Jews via the "secular humanist" religion Jews have manufactured for them.

    I have a better suggestions. Ban all Zionist Jews first; or, at least, ban them from government, media, universities and other areas where they can spread their nefarious "ideas". Then all of these other problems, instigated by Jew supremacists who consider the natives around them savage beasts to rule, will go away of their own.

    By the way, (((Ms. Mercer))), how many terrorist attacks by Muslims were there in the US before your co-tribalist supremacists got the US involved fighting ME wars for your homeland? You see, kicking out your ilk will serve several noble goals, not only getting rid of your nefarious influence but the retaliation dumb Americans face for allowing themselves to be influenced by your ilk.

    Why am I not surprised to read that this Jew supremacist immigrant wants to expel Muslims? Unlike the Christian cattle, they cannot be easily converted to serve Jews via the “secular humanist” religion Jews have manufactured for them.

    Is this some sort of joke? Isn’t the UR comments section consensus that Jews want Muslim immigration to continue for [nefarious purposes]?

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    Is this some sort of joke? Isn’t the UR comments section consensus that Jews want Muslim immigration to continue for [nefarious purposes]?
     
    What the tribalist Jews wans in general is global hegemony. The Clash of Civilizations fits right into that paradigm, with Muslims and "Christians" destroying each other.

    So while some tribalists dedicate themselves to importing as many Muslims radicalized by Jew-sponsored wars in the ME into the "West", others, like Pam Geller and the similar-minded author of this piece of crap, dedicate themselves to fomenting hate against Muslims. It's all to the same ends, however, just preaching to different target audiences. The whole Clash of Civilizations concept requires that Muslims live in the West and not assimilate and be hated by the locals. Seems like a daunting task to accomplish this, but your comment indicates it is a rather successful endeavor.

    In any event it's not like the Jew supremacists operate off an official playbook. They just tend to do whatever they think is "good for the Jews", and amongst the rank and file at least, there's certainly differences of opinion on that front.

    , @tjm
    Yes and no

    The goal of so called Muslim migration in America is NOT to overrun America with Muslims, Zionists use Mexicans/Latinos for that job, Muslim migration is all about manipulation.

    You will note Chump was elected to stop Latino migration, a fact quickly forgotten by the ZioMedia, yet time and time again they focus on Muslim migration.

    Muslim migration is just another tool of manipulation, without it, you could not muster up any Muslims for your false flag events, and thus miss out on demonizing the Muslims, and justifying more military incursions against the ME.

    How can anyone criticize Muslims, while America has destroyed nation after nation in the ME? Of course most Americans don't want war, and Chump ran on a platform of getting out of the ME, another fact the ZioMeida quickly altered for their benefit.

    If there is such a thing as "Muslims terrorism: (I don't believe in it myself, I find Zionism is the real terrorists, and if their are people being killed, it is of their design, all to push a narrative that benefits their goals), it is in response to America's assault upon the ME, at the behest of our parasitic controllers, Zionist Jews.
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  14. geokat62 says:

    The only valid statement made in this disgusting article was:

    U.S. public policy must, very plainly, keep Americans safe AND ALIVE without aggressing against foreign nations.

    If the author’s co-religionists, who are ensconced in The Lobby, hadn’t high-jacked US Foreign Policy in MENA to launch the phony GWOT by regime changing 7 Muslim countries in 5 years to enhance the security of the villa in the jungle, the American people wouldn’t have to be concerned about violent jihadists, would they? Want proof? Were violent jihadists a problem for the American people before The Lobby plumped for the phony GWOT?

    Oh, and with respect to your 3 propositions, it can cut both ways:

    Consider:

    Proposition 1: The faith of all Jews is Judaism.

    Proposition 2: Judaism teaches and sanctions some disturbing things like deception against the goyim.

    Proposition 3: Some Jews, practitioners of Judaism, will be prone to act on teachings that are indisputably part of Judaism.

    While most Jews are not deceivers, an unusually large number is willing to dabble in the lifestyle.

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    Judaism teaches a lot more. A couple quotes from their Beastly Torah shows that any problematic verse in Islam, even when deliberately misconstrued by Jew supremacists and Jew idolaters (mainly Evangelicals and their Scofield adulteration), has its roots in Judaism:

    20 Deuteronomy 10-15: 10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

    2 Deuteronomy 32-36: 32 When Sihon and all his army came out to meet us in battle at Jahaz, 33 the Lord our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army. 34 At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed[c] them—men, women and children. We left no survivors. 35 But the livestock and the plunder from the towns we had captured we carried off for ourselves. 36 From Aroer on the rim of the Arnon Gorge, and from the town in the gorge, even as far as Gilead, not one town was too strong for us. The Lord our God gave us all of them.
     

    There are many other examples which, of course, are the Word of their Beast Yahweh for Jews.
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  15. Ace says:
    @Haxo Angmark
    a ban on Zionists is logical, moral, even libertarian.

    Would it be possible to stay focused on the topic addressed by the author?

    A damn fine piece let it be said.

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    A damn fine piece let it be said.
     
    I suppose it is if all one wants to do is read a dolt's rant. All claims, no proof.

    Most 6th graders write better even if this is probably UR's attempt to add a little Onion.
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  16. Ace says:
    @KenH
    Another Muslim terrorist with a face and a beard only a mother could love. If the Manhattan terrorist was a white nationalist and Trump exhorted Congress to ban white nationalism then the Congress would have unanimously passed a bill and Trump would be signing it as I write this. But since the terrorist was Muslim and non-whites & Muslims are never guilty for their murder sprees against Westerners then any punitive measures against Muslims would be deemed racist and "Islamophobic" and our elected representative are much too broad minded and cool for that not to mention fearful of Jewish political power.

    Generally speaking, Muslims do not belong in the Western world. I don't say this because I blindly hate Muslims, but there are jarring worldviews, legal systems, religious and political beliefs and cultural norms between Muslims and Westerners that make coexistence next to impossible and which will sow the seeds of violent conflict as we're seeing in the U.K. and Europe. This should be obvious to anyone with an IQ just north of room temperature or who's not an ideological hardliner or "love thy third worlder as thyself" Christian.

    A Muslim ban is long overdue. In fact, a ban on all non-whites is long overdue. The people we let into our nations wouldn't allow whites into theirs, so there's no reason why we should accept them.

    But Ilana's kinsmen in the Jewish occupied government will not allow a sane immigration policy (i.e., no third world people). Muslims are just one of the many groups of non-white/third world groups being imported by Jews to become our executioners when the time is ripe.

    Ilana’s saying the same thing you are but all you can think about where she’s concerned is her kinsmen. You’re right about those kinsmen but let’s recognize she’s taking a position opposed to that of her kinsmen in fact.

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  17. Ace says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t see why the two would be mutually exclusive, though neither one appears to be politically feasible.
     
    Lump 'em together as Semites.

    Amazing idea.

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  18. Let’s do a little contemporary history.

    The Hart-Celler Act, popularly known as The Open Immigration Law Of 1965, and pushed by the American Jewish Committee with its master-of-ceremonies barking “diversity” in DC, NY Senator Jacob Javits, opened up America to Third World immigration.

    Qualifications were decimated and Quotas went through the roof.

    Whereas immigration law prior to the infamous Jewish-enabled 1965 Act limited the quotas to only the immediate family of immigrants, the 1965 Act allowed cousins, aunts, uncles, step-uncles galore, and step-cousins galore from Third World countries to come on in!

    And these would-be immigrants, before they could come, had to prove their professional status and have jobs already lined up in their professions: Academia, Engineering, Medical, Science, etc.

    Go to Central Park today in downtown Manhattan and an assortment of illiterate Third Worlders who have no American patriotic strain whatsoever in their blood have turned the Park into a virtual Uzbeki playground.

    Where were the ‘Ilana Mercers’ back in ’65 when Javits proclaimed upon passage of the Act, “Open The Floodgates!”

    They were lifting up the gates calling them to come in to destroy a White-Christian power bloc that Jewry fears and hoped to destroy.

    Now that they’ve accomplished that, the “Ilana Mercers” say, “We don’t need them any more.”

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    Where were the ‘Ilana Mercers’ back in ’65 when Javits proclaimed upon passage of the Act, “Open The Floodgates!”

    They were lifting up the gates calling them to come in to destroy a White-Christian power bloc that Jewry fears and hoped to destroy.
     
    Thanks for writing this comment, Brother Nathanael... the truth needs to be said.

    Based on this comment, I just want to apologize for questioning your honesty when you and Mr. Maven had that dispute over whether the Israeli national anthem was sung in every sabbath morning service.

    I can now state, unequivocally, that I am completely convinced that you are, indeed, a truth-teller.
    , @Druid
    Jews hate Christians and the dumbo are too dumbo to see it. Use the goyim!
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  19. wayfarer says:

    As the filthy-rich self-serving Zionist Jews swindle gullible U.S. goyim into trashing the Middle East, these Muslim “men” walk leisurely out of Bumfu#k Egypt, abandoning their countries along with their Muslim “brothers,” who they’ve left behind.

    For these gay “men’ are on their merry way to an infidel social service office, where they intend to score on a FREE Christian lunch program that includes a monthly welfare check, and with “God’s grace,”an early retirement.

    “Allah Akbar!”

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  20. CalDre says:
    @the Supreme Gentleman

    Why am I not surprised to read that this Jew supremacist immigrant wants to expel Muslims? Unlike the Christian cattle, they cannot be easily converted to serve Jews via the “secular humanist” religion Jews have manufactured for them.
     
    Is this some sort of joke? Isn't the UR comments section consensus that Jews want Muslim immigration to continue for [nefarious purposes]?

    Is this some sort of joke? Isn’t the UR comments section consensus that Jews want Muslim immigration to continue for [nefarious purposes]?

    What the tribalist Jews wans in general is global hegemony. The Clash of Civilizations fits right into that paradigm, with Muslims and “Christians” destroying each other.

    So while some tribalists dedicate themselves to importing as many Muslims radicalized by Jew-sponsored wars in the ME into the “West”, others, like Pam Geller and the similar-minded author of this piece of crap, dedicate themselves to fomenting hate against Muslims. It’s all to the same ends, however, just preaching to different target audiences. The whole Clash of Civilizations concept requires that Muslims live in the West and not assimilate and be hated by the locals. Seems like a daunting task to accomplish this, but your comment indicates it is a rather successful endeavor.

    In any event it’s not like the Jew supremacists operate off an official playbook. They just tend to do whatever they think is “good for the Jews”, and amongst the rank and file at least, there’s certainly differences of opinion on that front.

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  21. So much of PC is babytalk(like stuff about ‘inclusion’).

    PC-kins needed to be weaned on real meaning.

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  22. Muslim terror is radical and extreme.
    Christian and Zionist terror is tribe legalized terror, sophisticated, way more superior, hyper-productive and above all merciful.

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    Christian and Zionist terror is tribe legalized terror, sophisticated, way more superior, hyper-productive and above all merciful.
     
    Merciful?

    I think you meant profitable.
    , @tjm
    Please don't lump in Christ with your malignant vial Zionism.

    It is through manipulation and conditioning, that the Zionist has manipulated Christians to do their evil bidding.
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  23. CalDre says:
    @geokat62
    The only valid statement made in this disgusting article was:

    U.S. public policy must, very plainly, keep Americans safe AND ALIVE without aggressing against foreign nations.
     
    If the author's co-religionists, who are ensconced in The Lobby, hadn't high-jacked US Foreign Policy in MENA to launch the phony GWOT by regime changing 7 Muslim countries in 5 years to enhance the security of the villa in the jungle, the American people wouldn't have to be concerned about violent jihadists, would they? Want proof? Were violent jihadists a problem for the American people before The Lobby plumped for the phony GWOT?

    Oh, and with respect to your 3 propositions, it can cut both ways:


    Consider:

    Proposition 1: The faith of all Jews is Judaism.

    Proposition 2: Judaism teaches and sanctions some disturbing things like deception against the goyim.

    Proposition 3: Some Jews, practitioners of Judaism, will be prone to act on teachings that are indisputably part of Judaism.

    While most Jews are not deceivers, an unusually large number is willing to dabble in the lifestyle.
     

    Judaism teaches a lot more. A couple quotes from their Beastly Torah shows that any problematic verse in Islam, even when deliberately misconstrued by Jew supremacists and Jew idolaters (mainly Evangelicals and their Scofield adulteration), has its roots in Judaism:

    20 Deuteronomy 10-15: 10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

    2 Deuteronomy 32-36: 32 When Sihon and all his army came out to meet us in battle at Jahaz, 33 the Lord our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army. 34 At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed[c] them—men, women and children. We left no survivors. 35 But the livestock and the plunder from the towns we had captured we carried off for ourselves. 36 From Aroer on the rim of the Arnon Gorge, and from the town in the gorge, even as far as Gilead, not one town was too strong for us. The Lord our God gave us all of them.

    There are many other examples which, of course, are the Word of their Beast Yahweh for Jews.

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    Most Jews would say that was then, this is now. A exception might be the Haredi.

    Most Moslems think the bloodthirsty conquest verses of the Koran are as applicable today as they were in the 7th Century.

    Every Moslem is one reading of the Koran away from being a terrorist.

    Most Jews would oppose this suggestion because they fear that they would be next.

    , @Alden
    Alexander the Great and his father Phillip used that surrender and it won't be so bad or fight and be destroyed strategy. So did the Turks, the Mongols Ghengis Khan and a lot of other conquerors.

    It's good strategy. At the beginning of the campaign, totally destroy some towns that resisted. When everyone learns about it, give other towns in the path of conquest a choice. Resist and be destroyed or surrender and it won't be so bad.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Terrorism and murder of women and children and other noncombatants is consistent with Islam and Judaism.

    It is not consistent with the New Testament and Christianity.
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  24. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Propose a deal with Democrats:

    Ban on diversity visas to people in majority Muslim countries or where there are a lot of Muslims (Nigeria) and number of visas can be expanded from 50,000 to 100,000 per year.

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    You'd have to include India in that ban, as there are more than 200 million Muslim there. Fine by me.

    But we need to eliminate the diversity visa entirely.
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  25. Cyrano says:

    When compared with Americans propensity for frequently engaging in mass shooting against each other, I guess you could say that Sayfullo Saipov actions indicate that he is a well-adjusted American. He fits in perfectly into the cultural milieu of that country.

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  26. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    It would be interesting to listen to those responsible for allowing this fellow in, explain what we gain from having him here, even if he were nonviolent? Nothing! What is the need: how is this country better for it?

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  27. Wally says:
    @Haxo Angmark
    a ban on Zionists is logical, moral, even libertarian.

    Indeed, Jews & their bowing leftists demand massive 3rd world immigration into the US & Europe while they support very strict Israeli immigration laws which allow JEWS ONLY.

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  28. Again many misunderstandings.
    1 If the west had not been pursuing a violent colonialism in Muslim countries and areas they would never have fled to the enemy
    2 That some of those who had to flee developed an intense hatred for the enemy, it surprises me that most who have fled have not developed this hatred
    3 Anyone who studied the history of Islam knows that christianity was and is far more violent. Wars ascribed to Islam were wars by Asiatic peoples, even the Ottomans were Asiatics. The conquering of north Africa and the Iberian peninsula was a war of liberation, the catholics there suppressed the jews, who welcomed the Muslims.
    4 There is freedom of religion in western societies, but how can we tolerate a religion that sees no difference between religion and the state ?

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    Hopefully your pathetic little brothel of a country will be liberated by muslims in the near future.
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  29. >Policy is meant as a declaration of the common good.<

    Nothing is more triggering to people on the libertarian Right than the locution "the common good" in the context of policy. To them, that means tyranny.

    Hayek, Friedman, Rothbard, Rand et al. taught them well.

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  30. It’s not difficult to understand the frustration & anger many feel towards Muslim extremist actions & by extension Muslims themselves. Somekind of Muslim terrorist action, somewhere in the world, seems to take place on an almost weekly basis. And Ms Mercer’s complete Muslim ban does have the virtue of being, at least, imaginable.
    Sadly, of course, the real answers are completely unimaginable — inexpensive fusion power & speed of light travel seem more credible in comparision to the US ceasing it’s Imperialist assaults on the world in general & the M.E in particular & its slavish indulgence of Israel & the Jewish interest.

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  31. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    How about a ban on people from that nation which savagely attacked what was basically an unarmed intelligence ship in international waters, murdering 34 Americans & wounding another 141, a heinous act which that nation, and its human assets have been lying about for 50 years?

    How about a ban on that nation which knew about the 1983 Marine barracks in Lebanon bombing, but didn’t warn its ‘special’ friend and ally because they wanted to get the US into Lebanon, fighting that war to save their ass?

    How about a ban on that certain group of people that has a lobby that has Congress on a short lease, always putting the wants of that nation ahead of our needs?

    How about a ban on the same ones who have hijacked our economy thru their control of the FED and US Treasury?

    How about a ban on that ME nation that is always spying on its friend, stealing vital military, industrial and business secrets, then selling our military secrets to nations like the USSR and now Commie China?

    How about a ban on that nation that has been backing, supporting and providing medical care and shelter to ISIS terrorists, who after recovery, get sent back to kill civilians, maybe even Americans?

    I could go on, but that nation we need to ban is Israel, which is NOT our friend or ally, but a duplicitous enemy that has hijacked our nation and slowly strangling it to death, while their MSM keeps screaming about Muslims doing impossible feats, like knocking down three skyscrapers with only TWO jetliners or plowing into NYC traffic, with the windows rolled up and witnesses claim he was shouting Allahu Akbar™ ?
    If you’ve ever been to NYC–and I have–you’ll know that both the background noise and traffic sounds are LOUD, but maybe New Yorkers have an acute sense of hearing, allowing them to hear a copyrighted phrase over the background noise, the engine of the truck, people screaming and bikes getting mangled? Maybe he had a bullhorn?

    I realize that my raw comments might hurt some ears, especially the ones getting brainwashed into being snowflakes by sleazy US professors and will definitely get me the anti-Semite label, but that’s the wonderful thing about truth, it can hurt.

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    How about a ban on that nation that has been backing, supporting and providing medical care and shelter to ISIS terrorists, who after recovery, get sent back to kill civilians, maybe even Americans?
     
    Israel's aid to ISIS is well documented, which makes Israel a terrorist state. This, however, does not remove legitimate issues with Muslim immigration. Those issues must be addressed.
    , @renfro
    Israel Charged with Systematic Harassment of U.S. Marines


    By Donald Neff
    Former Time Magazine Bureau Chief, Israel
    Washington Report, March 1995
    It was also published in Fifty Years of Israel

    It was 12 years ago, on March 14, 1983, that the commandant of the Marine Corps sent a highly unusual letter to the secretary of defense expressing frustration and anger at Israel. General R.H. Barrow charged that Israeli troops were deliberately threatening the lives of Marines serving as peacekeepers in Lebanon. There was, he wrote, a systematic pattern of harassment by Israel Defense Forces (IDF) that was resulting in “life-threatening situations, replete with verbal degradation of the officers, their uniform and country.”

    Barrow’s letter added: “It is inconceivable to me why Americans serving in peacekeeping roles must be harassed, endangered by an ally...It is evident to me, and the opinion of the U.S. commanders afloat and ashore, that the incidents between the Marines and the IDF are timed, orchestrated, and executed for obtuse Israeli political purposes.”1

    Israel’s motives were less obtuse than the diplomatic general pretended. It was widely believed then, and now, that Israeli Defense Minister Ariel Sharon, one of Israel’s most Machiavellian politician-generals, was creating the incidents deliberately in an effort to convince Washington that the two forces had to coordinate their actions in order to avoid such tensions. This, of course, would have been taken by the Arabs as proof that the Marines were not really in Lebanon as neutral peacekeepers but as allies of the Israelis, a perception that would have obvious advantages for Israel.2

    Barrow’s extraordinary letter was indicative of the frustrations and miseries the Marines suffered during their posting to Lebanon starting on Aug. 25, 1982, as a result of Israel’s invasion 11 weeks earlier. Initially a U.S. unit of 800 men was sent to Beirut harbor as part of a multinational force to monitor the evacuation of PLO guerrillas from Beirut. The Marines, President Reagan announced, “in no case... would stay longer than 30 days.”3 This turned out to be only partly true. They did withdraw on Sept. 10, but a reinforced unit of 1,200 was rushed back 15 days later after the massacres at the Palestinian refugee camps at Sabra and Shatila that accompanied the Israeli seizure of West Beirut. The U.S. forces remained until Feb. 26, 1984.4

    During their year-and-a-half posting in Lebanon, the Marines suffered 268 killed.5 The casualties started within a week of the return of the Marines in September 1982. On the 30th, a U.S.-made cluster bomb left behind by the Israelis exploded, killing Corporal David Reagan and wounding three other Marines.6

    Corporal Reagan’s death represented the dangers of the new mission of the Marines in Lebanon. While their first brief stay had been to separate Israeli forces from Palestinian fighters evacuating West Beirut, their new mission was as part of a multinational force sent to prevent Israeli troops from attacking the Palestinian civilians left defenseless there after the withdrawal of PLO forces. As President Reagan said: “For this multinational force to succeed, it is essential that Israel withdraw from Beirut.”7

    “Incidents are timed, orchestrated, and executed for Israeli political purposes.”

    Israel’s siege of Beirut during the summer of 1982 had been brutal and bloody, reaching a peak of horror on Aug. 12, quickly known as Black Thursday. On that day, Sharon’s forces launched at dawn a massive artillery barrage that lasted for 11 straight hours and was accompanied by saturation air bombardment.8 As many as 500 persons, mainly Lebanese and Palestinian civilians, were killed.9

    On top of the bombardment came the massacres the next month at Sabra and Shatila, where Sharon’s troops allowed Lebanese Maronite killers to enter the camps filled with defenseless civilians. The massacres sickened the international community and pressure from Western capitals finally forced Israel to withdraw from Beirut in late September. Troops from Britain, France, Italy and the United States were interposed between the Israeli army and Beirut, with U.S. Marines deployed in the most sensitive area south of Beirut at the International Airport, directly between Israeli troops and West Beirut.

    It was at the airport that the Marines would suffer their Calvary over the next year. Starting in January 1983, small Israeli units began probing the Marine lines. At first the effort appeared aimed at discovering the extent of Marine determination to resist penetration. The lines proved solid and the Marines’ determination strong. Israeli troops were politely but firmly turned away. Soon the incidents escalated, with both sides pointing loaded weapons at each other but no firing taking place. Tensions were high enough by late January that a special meeting between U.S. and Israeli officers was held in Beirut to try to agree on precise boundaries beyond which the IDF would not penetrate.10

    No Stranger to the Marines

    However, on Feb. 2 a unit of three Israeli tanks, led by Israeli Lt. Col. Rafi Landsberg, tried to pass through Marine/Lebanese Army lines at Rayan University Library in south Lebanon. By this time, Landsberg was no stranger to the Marines. Since the beginning of January he had been leading small Israeli units in probes against the Marine lines, although such units would normally have a commander no higher than a sergeant or lieutenant. The suspicion grew that Sharon’s troops were deliberately provoking the Marines and Landsberg was there to see that things did not get out of hand. The Israeli tactics were aimed more at forcing a joint U.S.-Israeli strategy than merely probing lines.

    In the Feb. 2 incident, the checkpoint was commanded by Marine Capt. Charles Johnson, who firmly refused permission for Landsberg to advance. When two of the Israeli tanks ignored his warning to halt, Johnson leaped on Landsberg’s tank with pistol drawn and demanded Landsberg and his tanks withdraw. They did.11

    Landsberg and the Israeli embassy in Washington tried to laugh off the incident, implying that Johnson was a trigger-happy John Wayne type and that the media were exaggerating a routine event. Landsberg even went so far as to claim that he smelled alcohol on Johnson’s breath and that drunkenness must have clouded his reason. Marines were infuriated because Johnson was well known as a teetotaler. Americans flocked to Johnson’s side. He received hundreds of letters from school children, former Marines and from Commandant Barrow.12 It was a losing battle for the Israelis and Landsberg soon dropped from sight.

    But the incidents did not stop. These now included “helicopter harassment,” by which U.S.-made helicopters with glaring spotlights were flown by the Israelis over Marine positions at night, illuminating Marine outposts and exposing them to potential attack. As reports of these incidents piled up, Gen. Barrow received a letter on March 12 from a U.S. Army major stationed in Lebanon with the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization (UNTSO). The letter described a systematic pattern of Israeli attacks and provocations against UNTSO troops, including instances in which U.S. officers were singled out for “near-miss” shootings, abuse and detention.13 That same day two Marine patrols were challenged and cursed by Israeli soldiers.14

    Two days later Barrow wrote his letter to Secretary of Defense Caspar W. Weinberger, who endorsed it and sent it along to the State Department. High-level meetings were arranged and the incidents abated, perhaps largely because by this time Ariel Sharon had been fired as defense minister. He had been found by an Israeli commission to have had “personal responsibility” for the Sabra and Shatila massacres.15

    Despite the bad taste left from the clashes with the Israelis, in fact no Marines had been killed in the incidents and their lines had been secure up to the end of winter in 1983. Then Islamic guerrillas, backed by Iran, became active. On the night of April 17, 1983, an unknown sniper fired a shot that went through the trousers of a Marine sentry but did not harm him. For the first time, the Marines returned fire.16

    The next day, the U.S. Embassy in Beirut was blown up by a massive bomb, with the loss of 63 lives. Among the 17 Americans killed were CIA Mideast specialists, including Robert C. Ames, the agency’s top Middle East expert.17 Disaffected former Israeli Mossad case officer Victor Ostrovsky later claimed that Israel had advance information about the bombing plan but had decided not to inform the United States, a claim denied by Israel.18 The Iranian-backed Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility. Veteran correspondent John Cooley considered the attack “the day [Iranian leader Ayatollah] Khomeini’s offensive against America in Lebanon began in earnest.”19

    Still, it was not until four months later, on Aug. 28, that Marines came under direct fire by rocket-propelled grenades and automatic weapons at International Airport. They returned fire with M-16 rifles and M-60 machine guns. The firefight resumed the next day with Marines firing 155mm artillery, 81mm mortars and rockets from Cobra helicopter gunships against Shi’i Muslim positions. Two Marines were killed and 14 wounded in the exchange, the first casualties in actual combat since the Marines had landed the previous year.20

    From this time on, the combat involvement of the Marines grew. Their actions were generally seen as siding with Israel against Muslims, slowly changing the status of the Marines as neutral peacekeepers to opponents of the Muslims.21 Israel could hardly have wished for more. The polarization meant that increasingly the conflict was being perceived in terms of the U.S., Israel and Lebanon’s Christians against Iran, Islam and Lebanon’s Shi’i Muslims.

    Accelerating the Conflict

    Israel accelerated the building conflict on Sept. 3, 1993 by unilaterally withdrawing its troops southward, leaving the Marines exposed behind their thin lines at the airport. The United States had asked the Israeli government to delay its withdrawal until the Marines could be replaced by units of the Lebanese army, but Israel refused.22 The result was as feared. Heavy fighting immediately broke out between the Christian Lebanese Forces and the pro-Syrian Druze units, both seeking to occupy positions evacuated by Israel, while the Marines were left in the crossfire.23 On Sept. 5, two Marines were killed and three wounded as fighting escalated between Christian and Muslim militias.24

    In an ill-considered effort to subdue the combat, the Sixth Fleet frigate Bowen fired several five-inch naval guns, hitting Druze artillery positions in the Chouf Mountains that were firing into the Marine compound at Beirut airport.25 It was the first time U.S. ships had fired into Lebanon, dramatically raising the level of combat. But the Marines’ exposed location on the flat terrain of the airport left them in an impossible position. On Sept. 12, three more Marines were wounded.26

    On Sept. 13, President Reagan authorized what was called aggressive self-defense for the Marines, including air and naval strikes.27 Five days later the United States essentially joined the war against the Muslims when four U.S. warships unleashed the heaviest naval bombardment since Vietnam into Syrian and Druze positions in eastern Lebanon in support of the Lebanese Christians.28 The bombardment lasted for three days and was personally ordered by National Security Council director Robert McFarlane, a Marine Corps officer detailed to the White House who was in Lebanon at the time and was also a strong supporter of Israel and its Lebanese Maronite Christian allies. McFarlane issued the order despite the fact that the Marine commander at the airport, Colonel Timothy Geraghty, strenuously argued against it because, in the words of correspondent Thomas L. Friedman, “he knew that it would make his soldiers party to what was now clearly an intra-Lebanese fight, and that the Lebanese Muslims would not retaliate against the Navy’s ships at sea but against the Marines on shore.”29

    By now, the Marines were under daily attack and Muslims were charging they were no longer neutral.30 At the same time the battleship USS New Jersey, with 16-inch guns, arrived off Lebanon, increasing the number of U.S. warships offshore to 14. Similarly, the Marine contingent at Beirut airport was increased from 1,200 to 1,600.31

    A Tragic Climax

    The fight now was truly joined between the Shi’i Muslims and the Marines, who were essentially pinned down in their airport bunkers and under orders not to take offensive actions. The tragic climax of their predicament came on Oct. 23, when a Muslim guerrilla drove a truck past guards at the Marine airport compound and detonated an explosive with the force of 12,000 pounds of dynamite under a building housing Marines and other U.S. personnel. Almost simultaneously, a car-bomb exploded at the French compound in Beirut. Casualties were 241 Americans and 58 French troops killed. The bombings were the work of Hezbollah, made up of Shi’i Muslim guerrillas supported by Iran.;32

    America’s agony increased on Dec. 3, when two carrier planes were downed by Syrian missiles during heavy U.S. air raids on eastern Lebanon.;33 On the same day, eight Marines were killed in fighting with Muslim militiamen around the Beirut airport.;34

    By the start of 1984, an all-out Shi’i Muslim campaign to rid Lebanon of all Americans was underway. The highly respected president of the American University of Beirut, Dr. Malcolm Kerr, a distinguished scholar of the Arab world, was gunned down on Jan. 18 outside his office by Islamic militants aligned with Iran.;35 On Feb. 5, Reagan made one of his stand-tall speeches by saying that “the situation in Lebanon is difficult, frustrating and dangerous. But this is no reason to turn our backs on friends and to cut and run.”;36

    The next day Professor Frank Regier, a U.S. citizen teaching at AUB, was kidnapped by Muslim radicals.;37 Regier’s kidnapping was the beginning of a series of kidnappings of Americans in Beirut that would hound the Reagan and later the Bush administrations for years and lead to the eventual expulsion of nearly all Americans from Lebanon where they had prospered for more than a century. Even today Americans still are prohibited from traveling to Lebanon.

    The day after Regier’s kidnapping, on Feb. 7, 1984, Reagan suddenly reversed himself and announced that all U.S. Marines would shortly be “redeployed.” The next day the battleship USS New Jersey fired 290 rounds of one-ton shells from its 16-inch guns into Lebanon as a final act of U.S. frustration.;38 Reagan’s “redeployment” was completed by Feb. 26, when the last of the Marines retreated from Lebanon.

    The mission of the Marines had been a humiliating failure�not because they failed in their duty but because the political backbone in Washington was lacking. The Marines had arrived in 1982 with all sides welcoming them. They left in 1984 despised by many and the object of attacks by Muslims. Even relations with Israel were strained, if not in Washington where a sympathetic Congress granted increased aid to the Jewish state to compensate it for the costs of its bungled invasion, then between the Marines and Israeli troops who had confronted each other in a realpolitik battlefield that was beyond their competence or understanding. The Marine experience in Lebanon did not contribute toward a favorable impression of Israel among many Americans, especially since the Marines would not have been in Lebanon except for Israel’s unprovoked invasion.

    This negative result is perhaps one reason a number of Israelis and their supporters today oppose sending U.S. peacekeepers to the Golan Heights as part of a possible Israeli-Syrian peace treaty. A repeat of the 1982-84 experience would certainly not be in Israel’s interests at a time when its supporters are seeking to have a budget-conscious Congress continue unprecedented amounts of aid to Israel.
    , @Druid
    Getting an anti-semitism should be seen as a badge of honor for standing up to these tribal racist manipulative Talmudic terrorists!
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  32. Ha! I’d rather say a ban of American ideology is the most logical thing for humanity. It is the most destructive force on the planet. Radical Islam? That’s the jeannie American imperialism took out of the bottle (Remember? From the Mudjahideen, Brzezinski, Afghanistan to funding, training, and arming ISIS?) and now we all have to live with it. Thank you, America!

    As for the true origin of this jihadi madness, Wahhabism in Saudi-Arabia, we can all thank your friends and partners in crime, the British imperialists. And if you weren’t bombing all their countries since now over two decades, they might not ever even had a reason to become so angry, right? Look at your whiny reaction after 9/11 (a measly 3000 deaths) and compare that with the over 4 million Muslims murdered by America since 1991. You really expect all of them to just sit tight and wait for democracy to come? Gosh, are you a naive people.

    I don’t know any other nation (except Israel) who is so incapable to see their own role as it really is. And I’m not a Muslim, I’m just an angry German who’s had enough. And that is also very librarian.

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    Look at your whiny reaction after 9/11 (a measly 3000 deaths) and compare that with the over 4 million Muslims murdered by America since 1991. You really expect all of them to just sit tight and wait for democracy to come? Gosh, are you a naive people.
     
    Clearly you don't see the world in the proper (American) way.

    When an attack is made upon Americans or American interests, prior history is irrelevant. It doesn't exist. Referring to it is making excuses for aggression and terrorism.

    Standing up for yourself, for your people or your faith, taking revenge for attacks and interference, etc - these are all noble attributes for Americans and for American allies and proxies, but not for others. Then they become at best brutish lack of self-control, and at worst thuggish aggression.

    It all comes down to just recognising the specialness of America.

    And in fairness such one eyed, partisan loyalty and blindness is understandable, at least, for Americans. Where it is utterly unforgivable is amongst the US apologists and dual loyalty Quislings that infest the British and European business, media and political elites.
    , @jacques sheete

    I’m just an angry German who’s had enough.
     
    I'm an angry 'Merkin who's had enough as well. What really annoys me is that we have a system that doesn't give a damn about attitudes like mine and that actually produces rabid mentally defective ideas such as those expressed in this pathologically puerile article.
    , @Druid
    And 911 was an inside job. Do the research and you'll be convinced the israhellists had a lot to do with it
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  33. Randal says:
    @Serg Derbst
    Ha! I'd rather say a ban of American ideology is the most logical thing for humanity. It is the most destructive force on the planet. Radical Islam? That's the jeannie American imperialism took out of the bottle (Remember? From the Mudjahideen, Brzezinski, Afghanistan to funding, training, and arming ISIS?) and now we all have to live with it. Thank you, America!

    As for the true origin of this jihadi madness, Wahhabism in Saudi-Arabia, we can all thank your friends and partners in crime, the British imperialists. And if you weren't bombing all their countries since now over two decades, they might not ever even had a reason to become so angry, right? Look at your whiny reaction after 9/11 (a measly 3000 deaths) and compare that with the over 4 million Muslims murdered by America since 1991. You really expect all of them to just sit tight and wait for democracy to come? Gosh, are you a naive people.

    I don't know any other nation (except Israel) who is so incapable to see their own role as it really is. And I'm not a Muslim, I'm just an angry German who's had enough. And that is also very librarian.

    Look at your whiny reaction after 9/11 (a measly 3000 deaths) and compare that with the over 4 million Muslims murdered by America since 1991. You really expect all of them to just sit tight and wait for democracy to come? Gosh, are you a naive people.

    Clearly you don’t see the world in the proper (American) way.

    When an attack is made upon Americans or American interests, prior history is irrelevant. It doesn’t exist. Referring to it is making excuses for aggression and terrorism.

    Standing up for yourself, for your people or your faith, taking revenge for attacks and interference, etc – these are all noble attributes for Americans and for American allies and proxies, but not for others. Then they become at best brutish lack of self-control, and at worst thuggish aggression.

    It all comes down to just recognising the specialness of America.

    And in fairness such one eyed, partisan loyalty and blindness is understandable, at least, for Americans. Where it is utterly unforgivable is amongst the US apologists and dual loyalty Quislings that infest the British and European business, media and political elites.

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  34. @CalDre
    Judaism teaches a lot more. A couple quotes from their Beastly Torah shows that any problematic verse in Islam, even when deliberately misconstrued by Jew supremacists and Jew idolaters (mainly Evangelicals and their Scofield adulteration), has its roots in Judaism:

    20 Deuteronomy 10-15: 10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

    2 Deuteronomy 32-36: 32 When Sihon and all his army came out to meet us in battle at Jahaz, 33 the Lord our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army. 34 At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed[c] them—men, women and children. We left no survivors. 35 But the livestock and the plunder from the towns we had captured we carried off for ourselves. 36 From Aroer on the rim of the Arnon Gorge, and from the town in the gorge, even as far as Gilead, not one town was too strong for us. The Lord our God gave us all of them.
     

    There are many other examples which, of course, are the Word of their Beast Yahweh for Jews.

    Most Jews would say that was then, this is now. A exception might be the Haredi.

    Most Moslems think the bloodthirsty conquest verses of the Koran are as applicable today as they were in the 7th Century.

    Every Moslem is one reading of the Koran away from being a terrorist.

    Most Jews would oppose this suggestion because they fear that they would be next.

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    BS, as a resident of Washington DC, and employed there, I witness how Washington is infested with Zionist Jews, all pushing for American wars against Muslims, all pushing hate of Muslims, and hate of anyone who does not support their blood lust against EVERYONE, everyone who does not support their "chosen" status.

    The greatest threat to America is Zionist Jews, they infest our media, or entertainment, our education system, our politics, our advertising. Each spreading hate for Russia, Muslims, white American men, and for open borders, multiculturalism, and above all else war.

    Trump is a zionist whore, who serves their interests not America's. Americans elected Chump to STOP Latino mass migration and STOP the wars for Israel, and yet here we sit talking about a trickle of Muslims migrating to America, who cares, how about stop dropping bombs that cause the migration in the first place. But we won't ever address that question, not so long as our media is dominated by Zionist filth!
    , @CalDre

    Most Jews would say that was then, this is now. A exception might be the Haredi.

    Most Moslems think the bloodthirsty conquest verses of the Koran are as applicable today as they were in the 7th Century.
     

    Actually 2,000 years of Jewish Diaspora prove you absolutely wrong. They always have and they continue to seek to enslave all of their neighbors (since they are, at least for now, incapable of killing the ones who don't submit, but they sure make a good go at it with all the wars the cause others to fight for them to defeat those who do not submit to Israel supremacism. like Hussein and Qaddafi and Assad).

    On the other hand, during the Ottoman Empire, in which Islam law was the rule of the day, Jews were allowed to live peacefully and the entire ME was more or less peaceful, certainly a heavenly delight compared to what's happened since the "West", under Jewish dictatorship, has taken over the ME and established the Jew supremacist homeland. So, there came France and UK, which had just promised Israel to Lord Rothschild, and carved up the Ottoman Empire into incompatible, weak, conflicted pieces, to enable Israel to get its terror-hold of the ME. Jews have been conducting constant, pervasive terrorism against Arabs ever since. And when Arabs (often pathetically) try to defend themselves, they are called "terrorists" and murdered by the 100-fold to "teach a lesson". That is worse than ISIS, which itself, along with al-Qaeda, is an Israeli-American-Saudi-Qatari creation.

    Most Jews would oppose this suggestion because they fear that they would be next.
     

    They don't fear squat because they make sure their slaves in foreign countries protect them. They can't even be criticized, lest you lose your soapbox. Only Jew idolaters and Jew supremacists are allowed the soap box. This is the result of Jews' stranglehold on the media, which they use quite effectively to enslave their host population.

    When a White nationalist marches in America, he is condemned in the media and Congress, and the (Jewish) media celebrates those who violently confront them. When the Jew supremacist/nationalist/tribalist NutAndYahoo, who has actually instituted a system of racist Apartheid against his (allegedly closely blood related) Arabs, comes to Congress, his farts get a standing ovation. And the Jewish media barely criticizes.

    I could go on but if at this point in your life you can't put 2 + 2 together, you are either a hasbara, an Evangelical or an idiot.

    , @Druid
    Drivel!!!!
    , @renfro
    '' Most Jews would oppose this suggestion because they fear that they would be next.''


    I doubt they consider that.
    They follow the tribe and the narcissism of the tribe prevents them from learning.
    They've had the same modus operandi for 2000 years.

    A Jewish writer who's name I forget wrote...."we are incapable of looking through the others eyes and seeing when they have had enough of us''.
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  35. Randal says:

    A Muslim Ban Is Logical, Moral, Even Libertarian

    The only real utility (and it is very real and significant on those grounds) of a muslim ban is as a Trojan horse for the general restrictions on mass immigration that are necessary in the US, Britain and any European nations that want to survive the next few decades in any recognisable form.

    Mercer’s desire for it on its own merits is understandable, but should be recognised as based upon the tribal loyalty it almost certainly reflects.

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  36. @Ace
    Would it be possible to stay focused on the topic addressed by the author?

    A damn fine piece let it be said.

    A damn fine piece let it be said.

    I suppose it is if all one wants to do is read a dolt’s rant. All claims, no proof.

    Most 6th graders write better even if this is probably UR’s attempt to add a little Onion.

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    "All claims, no proof" is a bit on the vague side, Jacques. Any specific point you'd care to highlight as being vague? Just one will be fine. Feel free to point out any poor writing too, if you've got time.

    Or is it simply "It/she's awful."
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  37. Missing from the author’s analysis and suggestions is any sense of proportion or probabilities. No discussion, not least, of the self-radicalisation, and also conversions in prisons, of usually inadequate young men who are born in the West.

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  38. @Proud_Srbin
    Muslim terror is radical and extreme.
    Christian and Zionist terror is tribe legalized terror, sophisticated, way more superior, hyper-productive and above all merciful.

    Christian and Zionist terror is tribe legalized terror, sophisticated, way more superior, hyper-productive and above all merciful.

    Merciful?

    I think you meant profitable.

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  39. @Serg Derbst
    Ha! I'd rather say a ban of American ideology is the most logical thing for humanity. It is the most destructive force on the planet. Radical Islam? That's the jeannie American imperialism took out of the bottle (Remember? From the Mudjahideen, Brzezinski, Afghanistan to funding, training, and arming ISIS?) and now we all have to live with it. Thank you, America!

    As for the true origin of this jihadi madness, Wahhabism in Saudi-Arabia, we can all thank your friends and partners in crime, the British imperialists. And if you weren't bombing all their countries since now over two decades, they might not ever even had a reason to become so angry, right? Look at your whiny reaction after 9/11 (a measly 3000 deaths) and compare that with the over 4 million Muslims murdered by America since 1991. You really expect all of them to just sit tight and wait for democracy to come? Gosh, are you a naive people.

    I don't know any other nation (except Israel) who is so incapable to see their own role as it really is. And I'm not a Muslim, I'm just an angry German who's had enough. And that is also very librarian.

    I’m just an angry German who’s had enough.

    I’m an angry ‘Merkin who’s had enough as well. What really annoys me is that we have a system that doesn’t give a damn about attitudes like mine and that actually produces rabid mentally defective ideas such as those expressed in this pathologically puerile article.

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  40. Jake says:

    I have read no comments here. Before doing, I wanted to say again that Ilana Mercer is deeply hated by the Jewish Left in North America, as well as by Neocons, for telling the truth about race and the inevitable horrors resulting from Bleeding Heat Liberalism. So any article of hers always draws ire from people who – perhaps paid by the SPLC or ADL – pretend to be conservatives who must denounce her to protect conservatism.

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    I have read no comments here. Before doing, I wanted to say again that Ilana Mercer is deeply hated by the Jewish Left in North America, as well as by Neocons, for telling the truth about race and the inevitable horrors resulting from Bleeding Heat Liberalism. So any article of hers always draws ire from people who – perhaps paid by the SPLC or ADL – pretend to be conservatives who must denounce her to protect conservatism.

    Me again, the 66 years old Muslim. Is her article about race or religion?

    Yes, uneducated individuals shouldn't be allowed in any country as they contribute almost nothing but doing the cheap menial work.

    The SIT (Small Insignificant Tribe) has destroyed the While Culture and especially their religion Christianity which teaches Love. Now, The SIT (Small Insignificant Tribe) are after Islam to destroy another religion of Peace and Love.

    The only thing which feeds the SIT (Small Insignificant Tribe), is wars, wars and perpetual wars, while destroying the belief in Loving and Caring God.
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  41. If one out of ten Muslims here in the U.S. is an angry Muslim (euphemism for a Muslim who wants to kill infidels for no other reason than that they are infidels), then the simplest solution is for all the Muslims to stay home where there are no infidels. That way, the nine-out-of -ten non-angry Muslims wouldn’t have to experience the “Islamophobia” that so aggrieves their sponsors and patrons here, and the angry ones would have to vent their rage on their own heretics. Islamophobia would go away, and the mass-murders here would diminish, a win-win for everyone.

    See: http://fosterspeak.blogspot.com/2017/11/democrats-pronouns-and-muslim-immigrants.html

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  42. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Yes, Jihad is a pillar of Islam and as a 66 years old Muslim, my parent taught me Jihad as a child, which I practice everyday. The author is Jewish (not Semite) and belongs to SIT (Small Insignificant Tribe). She exactly knows what Real Jihad means. It is the Jihad which Jacob (pbuh) did for years on and eventually he overcame Elohim with his repentance. Elohim got happy and named him Israel (The Ever Lasting God). The SIT (Small Insignificant Tribe) calls it Yetzer Hara and Yetzer Tav.

    Or, as the Native Indian explained to his grandson. He said, son you have two wolves fighting inside you. One is good wolf and one is bad wolf. The grandson asks, which wolf wins. The grandfather answered, the one whom you feed.

    Yes, Real Jihad is the Struggle Against Oneself. Struggle to keep the bad wolf starving and only feeding the good wolf. It is The Real Struggle, which eventually earns the graces of God, just like Jacob.

    BTW, please SIT (Small Insignificant Tribe) don’t call me anti-Semite, I am The Real Semite. The Arabs are The Real Semite, whether Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze, Atheists and so forth. When you SIT (Small Insignificant Tribe) call yourself a Semite, you are insulting the rest of us Real Semites.

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    You remind us that most long traditions pass on some admitable and inspiring. rhetoric.
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  43. wow says:

    It’s amazing how those attacking the author conveniently leave out the fact that Muslims have been at war with every other religion. forever….but more importantly, they have been slaughtering fellow Muslims mercilessly forever as well. These people can stay in their 3rd world crap holes. Banning them is normal and pragmatic. That said…the USA needs to get out of these 3rd world cesspools too. Keep the West white and great…or at least strive for greatness.

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    Really, since when?

    Iran, "the great evil" has not attacked anyone in my life time, OR YOURS!

    Yet Israel and consequently, it's bitch America, have been at war with everyone, because, to Zionist Jews, everyone is the enemy.

    And the greatest threat to America is NOT Muslims, but Mexicans, and again, it was Jews who pushed for America's open borders...

    Jews run Hollywood, Washington, Wall Street, the triangle of death to American society and culture.
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  44. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Jake
    I have read no comments here. Before doing, I wanted to say again that Ilana Mercer is deeply hated by the Jewish Left in North America, as well as by Neocons, for telling the truth about race and the inevitable horrors resulting from Bleeding Heat Liberalism. So any article of hers always draws ire from people who - perhaps paid by the SPLC or ADL - pretend to be conservatives who must denounce her to protect conservatism.

    I have read no comments here. Before doing, I wanted to say again that Ilana Mercer is deeply hated by the Jewish Left in North America, as well as by Neocons, for telling the truth about race and the inevitable horrors resulting from Bleeding Heat Liberalism. So any article of hers always draws ire from people who – perhaps paid by the SPLC or ADL – pretend to be conservatives who must denounce her to protect conservatism.

    Me again, the 66 years old Muslim. Is her article about race or religion?

    Yes, uneducated individuals shouldn’t be allowed in any country as they contribute almost nothing but doing the cheap menial work.

    The SIT (Small Insignificant Tribe) has destroyed the While Culture and especially their religion Christianity which teaches Love. Now, The SIT (Small Insignificant Tribe) are after Islam to destroy another religion of Peace and Love.

    The only thing which feeds the SIT (Small Insignificant Tribe), is wars, wars and perpetual wars, while destroying the belief in Loving and Caring God.

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    Agree that “they” are a small, arrogant, manipulative, self-absorbed, overrated tribe that SHOULD be insignificant. And they have indeed spent centuries harming and controlling Christians and Christian countries, including the USA.

    But on your other point, I’ve read the koran too much to buy the lull-us-to-sleep propaganda that islam is a peaceful religion. By its own terms, it is an ideology of conquest and subjugation.
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  45. Kingfelix says:

    “You can’t bring Muslims into the US because of their faith. It predisposes them to violence,”…

    It’s intellectually dishonest not to apply a version of this statement to US service personnel entering Muslim countries with their imperialistic ideology which prefisposes them to violence, given that the US military is responsible for the deaths of millions, whereas Muslim terror attacks in the US during the same time-frame number just a few thousands killed.

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    EXACTLY!

    How can anyone write a word about so called "Muslim terrorism", before discussing the immoral and absolute carnage America, has delivered upon the Middle East, all at the behest of our Zionist rulers.

    It is unbelievable, yet par for the course. The mark of the beats is the use of lies of omission, leaving out the cause while focusing on the crime, or in many of these cases the false flags.

    Hollywood, entertainment,t the media, Washington, all practice deception, and when I see it on-line I assume it is from paid bloggers who are trolling, spreading more disinformation.
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  46. @Anon
    Yes, Jihad is a pillar of Islam and as a 66 years old Muslim, my parent taught me Jihad as a child, which I practice everyday. The author is Jewish (not Semite) and belongs to SIT (Small Insignificant Tribe). She exactly knows what Real Jihad means. It is the Jihad which Jacob (pbuh) did for years on and eventually he overcame Elohim with his repentance. Elohim got happy and named him Israel (The Ever Lasting God). The SIT (Small Insignificant Tribe) calls it Yetzer Hara and Yetzer Tav.

    Or, as the Native Indian explained to his grandson. He said, son you have two wolves fighting inside you. One is good wolf and one is bad wolf. The grandson asks, which wolf wins. The grandfather answered, the one whom you feed.

    Yes, Real Jihad is the Struggle Against Oneself. Struggle to keep the bad wolf starving and only feeding the good wolf. It is The Real Struggle, which eventually earns the graces of God, just like Jacob.

    BTW, please SIT (Small Insignificant Tribe) don't call me anti-Semite, I am The Real Semite. The Arabs are The Real Semite, whether Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze, Atheists and so forth. When you SIT (Small Insignificant Tribe) call yourself a Semite, you are insulting the rest of us Real Semites.

    You remind us that most long traditions pass on some admitable and inspiring. rhetoric.

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  47. It’s amazing how those attacking the author conveniently leave out the fact that Muslims have been at war with every other religion. forever…

    It’s amazing how you conveniently leave out the fact that Jews and Christians have been at war with every other religion, even other Jews and Christians. Forever.

    Why do you think there are so many Jewish and Christian sects? Do you think they always lived peaceably amongst themselves? If so, grab yourself a copy of Josephus’ Works, especially Wars of the Jews, You don’t even have to leave your seat and I even provide a link.:

    http://sacred-texts.com/jud/josephus/

    Next, grab yourself a “New Testament” and read Paul’s letters. No sooner was Christ hung on the cross, (due to the instigation of fellow Jews, no less, but in typical fashion the blame was shifted onto the Romans ), than the early “Christians” began arguing and fighting amongst themselves. So called “Christians” have also spent some time burning one another at the stake and annihilating one another in world wars, as well. Who do you think instigated and benefitted from them? Hint: It wasn’t Muslims.

    I’d like to see a ban on immigration from South Africa too, and I think the author ought to be deported for her hate speech, anti-Semitism, rabble rousing and general stupidity. Furthermore, why not just ban all stupid people including Zionist sympathizers, politicians, neocons and their bankster busddies; aren’t we in ‘Merka are overrun with enough stupid people already?

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  48. tjm says:
    @KenH
    Another Muslim terrorist with a face and a beard only a mother could love. If the Manhattan terrorist was a white nationalist and Trump exhorted Congress to ban white nationalism then the Congress would have unanimously passed a bill and Trump would be signing it as I write this. But since the terrorist was Muslim and non-whites & Muslims are never guilty for their murder sprees against Westerners then any punitive measures against Muslims would be deemed racist and "Islamophobic" and our elected representative are much too broad minded and cool for that not to mention fearful of Jewish political power.

    Generally speaking, Muslims do not belong in the Western world. I don't say this because I blindly hate Muslims, but there are jarring worldviews, legal systems, religious and political beliefs and cultural norms between Muslims and Westerners that make coexistence next to impossible and which will sow the seeds of violent conflict as we're seeing in the U.K. and Europe. This should be obvious to anyone with an IQ just north of room temperature or who's not an ideological hardliner or "love thy third worlder as thyself" Christian.

    A Muslim ban is long overdue. In fact, a ban on all non-whites is long overdue. The people we let into our nations wouldn't allow whites into theirs, so there's no reason why we should accept them.

    But Ilana's kinsmen in the Jewish occupied government will not allow a sane immigration policy (i.e., no third world people). Muslims are just one of the many groups of non-white/third world groups being imported by Jews to become our executioners when the time is ripe.

    WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    You talk about Jewish influence, but ignore that influence that creates the wars in the Middle East and the subsequent migration.

    And I am SURE a limitation of Americans “migrating” to the Middle East bringing our wars, would be far more beneficial to them than a migration ban to America.

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  49. geokat62 says:
    @Brother Nathanael Kapner
    Let's do a little contemporary history.

    The Hart-Celler Act, popularly known as The Open Immigration Law Of 1965, and pushed by the American Jewish Committee with its master-of-ceremonies barking "diversity" in DC, NY Senator Jacob Javits, opened up America to Third World immigration.

    Qualifications were decimated and Quotas went through the roof.

    Whereas immigration law prior to the infamous Jewish-enabled 1965 Act limited the quotas to only the immediate family of immigrants, the 1965 Act allowed cousins, aunts, uncles, step-uncles galore, and step-cousins galore from Third World countries to come on in!

    And these would-be immigrants, before they could come, had to prove their professional status and have jobs already lined up in their professions: Academia, Engineering, Medical, Science, etc.

    Go to Central Park today in downtown Manhattan and an assortment of illiterate Third Worlders who have no American patriotic strain whatsoever in their blood have turned the Park into a virtual Uzbeki playground.

    Where were the 'Ilana Mercers' back in '65 when Javits proclaimed upon passage of the Act, "Open The Floodgates!"

    They were lifting up the gates calling them to come in to destroy a White-Christian power bloc that Jewry fears and hoped to destroy.

    Now that they've accomplished that, the "Ilana Mercers" say, "We don't need them any more."

    Where were the ‘Ilana Mercers’ back in ’65 when Javits proclaimed upon passage of the Act, “Open The Floodgates!”

    They were lifting up the gates calling them to come in to destroy a White-Christian power bloc that Jewry fears and hoped to destroy.

    Thanks for writing this comment, Brother Nathanael… the truth needs to be said.

    Based on this comment, I just want to apologize for questioning your honesty when you and Mr. Maven had that dispute over whether the Israeli national anthem was sung in every sabbath morning service.

    I can now state, unequivocally, that I am completely convinced that you are, indeed, a truth-teller.

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    Based on this comment, I just want to apologize for questioning your honesty when you and Mr. Maven had that dispute over whether the Israeli national anthem was sung in every sabbath morning service.
     
    Surely it would have depended on the synagogue? I always thought that was a silly argument on Sam's part; obviously the national anthem of Israel wouldn't be in the rubrics, because Israel didn't exist before the last century (and the concept of "national anthems" isn't much older).
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  50. tjm says:
    @wow
    It's amazing how those attacking the author conveniently leave out the fact that Muslims have been at war with every other religion. forever....but more importantly, they have been slaughtering fellow Muslims mercilessly forever as well. These people can stay in their 3rd world crap holes. Banning them is normal and pragmatic. That said...the USA needs to get out of these 3rd world cesspools too. Keep the West white and great...or at least strive for greatness.

    Really, since when?

    Iran, “the great evil” has not attacked anyone in my life time, OR YOURS!

    Yet Israel and consequently, it’s bitch America, have been at war with everyone, because, to Zionist Jews, everyone is the enemy.

    And the greatest threat to America is NOT Muslims, but Mexicans, and again, it was Jews who pushed for America’s open borders…

    Jews run Hollywood, Washington, Wall Street, the triangle of death to American society and culture.

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  51. tjm says:
    @Kingfelix
    “You can’t bring Muslims into the US because of their faith. It predisposes them to violence,”...

    It's intellectually dishonest not to apply a version of this statement to US service personnel entering Muslim countries with their imperialistic ideology which prefisposes them to violence, given that the US military is responsible for the deaths of millions, whereas Muslim terror attacks in the US during the same time-frame number just a few thousands killed.

    EXACTLY!

    How can anyone write a word about so called “Muslim terrorism”, before discussing the immoral and absolute carnage America, has delivered upon the Middle East, all at the behest of our Zionist rulers.

    It is unbelievable, yet par for the course. The mark of the beats is the use of lies of omission, leaving out the cause while focusing on the crime, or in many of these cases the false flags.

    Hollywood, entertainment,t the media, Washington, all practice deception, and when I see it on-line I assume it is from paid bloggers who are trolling, spreading more disinformation.

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  52. tjm says:

    Reading many of these comments, one has to wonder where all the Americans are, because these comments must be written from tel aviv. The disinformation and lies through omission are so extreme, as to scream ZIONIST JEW!

    By far the greatest threat to America is mass Latino immigration, AND by far the greatest threat to the Middle East is US (Israeli) militarism/imperialism. Yet, a so called terror attack and out come the calls for a Muslim ban. How about the immigration ban on the Mexicans Chump promised.

    Zionists push this hateful meme of a Muslims ban because it is great fodder, great distraction, While their BOY Chump is focused on Muslim bans, he does not have to focus on the real issue, Mexican/Latino immigration. Plus, it is all part of the Zionist manipulation, pushing Americans to hate Muslims, so as to accept all the evil our military is doing at Israel’s command, in the Middle East.

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    Who pushes "latino" immigration into the US?

    How Neocons Destabilized Europe – Consortiumnews
    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/09/07/how-neocons-destabilized-europe/

    .... When I first encountered the neocons in the 1980s, they had been given Central America to play with. President Ronald Reagan had credentialed many of them, bringing into the U.S. government neocon luminaries such as Elliott Abrams and Robert Kagan. But Reagan mostly kept them out of the big-power realms: the Mideast and Europe.

    Those strategic areas went to the “adults,” people like James Baker, George Shultz, Philip Habib and Brent Scowcroft. The poor Central Americans, as they tried to shed generations of repression and backwardness imposed by brutal right-wing oligarchies, faced U.S. neocon ideologues who unleashed death squads and even genocide against peasants, students and workers.

    The result not surprisingly was a flood of refugees, especially from El Salvador and Guatemala, northward to the United States. The neocon “success” in the 1980s, crushing progressive social movements and reinforcing the oligarchic controls, left most countries of Central America in the grip of corrupt regimes and crime syndicates, periodically driving more waves of what Reagan called “feet people” through Mexico to the southern U.S. border......
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  53. tjm says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Most Jews would say that was then, this is now. A exception might be the Haredi.

    Most Moslems think the bloodthirsty conquest verses of the Koran are as applicable today as they were in the 7th Century.

    Every Moslem is one reading of the Koran away from being a terrorist.

    Most Jews would oppose this suggestion because they fear that they would be next.

    BS, as a resident of Washington DC, and employed there, I witness how Washington is infested with Zionist Jews, all pushing for American wars against Muslims, all pushing hate of Muslims, and hate of anyone who does not support their blood lust against EVERYONE, everyone who does not support their “chosen” status.

    The greatest threat to America is Zionist Jews, they infest our media, or entertainment, our education system, our politics, our advertising. Each spreading hate for Russia, Muslims, white American men, and for open borders, multiculturalism, and above all else war.

    Trump is a zionist whore, who serves their interests not America’s. Americans elected Chump to STOP Latino mass migration and STOP the wars for Israel, and yet here we sit talking about a trickle of Muslims migrating to America, who cares, how about stop dropping bombs that cause the migration in the first place. But we won’t ever address that question, not so long as our media is dominated by Zionist filth!

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  54. tjm says:
    @Proud_Srbin
    Muslim terror is radical and extreme.
    Christian and Zionist terror is tribe legalized terror, sophisticated, way more superior, hyper-productive and above all merciful.

    Please don’t lump in Christ with your malignant vial Zionism.

    It is through manipulation and conditioning, that the Zionist has manipulated Christians to do their evil bidding.

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    Your comments are all on point and appreciated
    , @renfro
    If you value lust above love its a short step to assaulting women who don't want your lust...ask Harvey.


    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/No-Holds-Barred-Jewish-lust-versus-Christian-love


    No Holds Barred: Jewish lust versus Christian love
    By Shmuley Boteach
    December 17, 2012 21:20

    Interestingly, whereas Christianity believes that marriages should be based on love and friendship, Judaism believes they should be based on lust and desire.

    Judaism never posits a G-d that is so monolithic as to be described as love. Do you really want a G-d who is all love when it comes to punishing the Nazis for cremating children? Do you want a G-d who is all love when it comes to stopping an al-Qaida terrorist from planting a bomb that will blow up an airplane? Or do you want, at that moment, a just G-d who will cause that terrorist to have a car accident on the way to the plane so he can’t plant his bomb.

    G-d is not love. Rather, He is utterly beyond any emotion or description. At times He is loving and at times He is jealous and punitive, as when he punishes the Egyptians at sea for enslaving and slaughtering an innocent nation. It was Paul of Tarsus, in the New Testament, who famously said, “Love is patient, love is kind... Love never fails” (1 Corinthians 13:4-8). What an excellent description of the virtue of love – and its limitations! This is the perfect description of love as companionship and friendship. And if anyone wants to have a romantic relationship based on these warm and cuddly attributes, that’s fine. But while love is warm, lust is passionate. While love seeks to share, lust seeks to acquire. While love can be satisfied, lust is utterly insatiable. The average wife today may feel loved. But what she really wants is to feel desired, which explains why women are reading Fifty Shades of Grey in their millions. Wives want the erotic experience of lust but they’re mostly not finding it in their marriages.

    While Christianity posits love as the foundation of a relationship, Judaism has always emphasized desire in its place. The principal reason for the breakdown of marriages and relationships is that in modern times they are built not on lust but love. Several times a week I counsel couples in crisis. They come with the usual panoply of issues that surround broken marriages: an absence of communication, lack of intimacy, fighting below the belt, financial pressures, and responsibilities of child-rearing that have overtaken their lives. But underlying all these problems is the elephant in the room: a loss of desire. They love each other, but they no longer long for each other. Their marriages are now built on the softer, more comfortable emotion of love rather than passionate, more explosive and nuclear bond of lust.
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  55. The Protestant Reformation did radicalize Christianity. A Reformation will not help Islam. It is irrdeemable because it is Satanic.

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  56. tjm says:
    @the Supreme Gentleman

    Why am I not surprised to read that this Jew supremacist immigrant wants to expel Muslims? Unlike the Christian cattle, they cannot be easily converted to serve Jews via the “secular humanist” religion Jews have manufactured for them.
     
    Is this some sort of joke? Isn't the UR comments section consensus that Jews want Muslim immigration to continue for [nefarious purposes]?

    Yes and no

    The goal of so called Muslim migration in America is NOT to overrun America with Muslims, Zionists use Mexicans/Latinos for that job, Muslim migration is all about manipulation.

    You will note Chump was elected to stop Latino migration, a fact quickly forgotten by the ZioMedia, yet time and time again they focus on Muslim migration.

    Muslim migration is just another tool of manipulation, without it, you could not muster up any Muslims for your false flag events, and thus miss out on demonizing the Muslims, and justifying more military incursions against the ME.

    How can anyone criticize Muslims, while America has destroyed nation after nation in the ME? Of course most Americans don’t want war, and Chump ran on a platform of getting out of the ME, another fact the ZioMeida quickly altered for their benefit.

    If there is such a thing as “Muslims terrorism: (I don’t believe in it myself, I find Zionism is the real terrorists, and if their are people being killed, it is of their design, all to push a narrative that benefits their goals), it is in response to America’s assault upon the ME, at the behest of our parasitic controllers, Zionist Jews.

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    Consider also that the Zionist CIA/Mossad created a “honeypot” in the Middle East. Attracting fundamentalist Muslims, who were organized, trained, and armed as ISIS fighters.

    These radicalized Muslims were put to work in the Syrian civil war, as disposable tools. Once they'd served a fair portion of their purpose, they were then summarily exterminated in the ISIS 'capital' of Raqqa, Syria.

    Europe and the U.S. also function as Zionist engineered honeypots, attracting Muslims who will once again be employed as disposable tools, someday engaging the west in full-tilt civil wars. Unleashing the wholesale holocaust of Christians and Muslims.

    Zionist Jews are removing Muslims and clearing a conflict free corridor for themselves, which will lead through the Middle East, the oil fields of Saudi Arabia, and eventually all the way to the gold mines of South Africa.
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  57. @RealAmerican
    A ban on those bumbling, illiterate, brutish ragheads of the ME is logical, moral, even libertarian. America must remain a Zionist occupied territory for the sole purpose of serving the goal of Greater Israel.

    A ban on those bumbling, illiterate, brutish ragheads of the ME is logical, moral, even libertarian. America must remain a Zionist occupied territory for the sole purpose of serving the goal of Greater Israel.

    You just presented a perfect, in fact the best, example of being manipulated by… neocons, who unified two issues in one mutually exclusive and damaging to the US duality. Here how it goes in US in neocon framework: Islam is bad and Israel is automatically good. Hence your response. There is no separation, none whatsoever. Reality, however, (see dictionary for the definition of reality) is such that two issues are NOT really connected:

    1. Islam and Western culture (what’s left of it anyway) are NOT compatible and there are serious legitimate issues with Sunni Islam. With or without US aggression and mayhem it created in the ME Muslims who profess Sharia are not integratable into Western societies, period. It is not a theorem, it is an axiom.

    2. All of that has NOTHING to do with Israel, which:

    a) Despite its constant boasting and being a hot bed of gay “culture” is not realistically a Western culture.

    b) Israel’s problems with Arabs are Israel’s problems only and have NO relation whatsoever, in any plane, to legitimate problems with Islam in Western societies.

    So, your sarcasm, while understandable, is absolutely misplaced. West’s real problems with Islam and Israel’s problems with Arabs (and Islam), some of them legitimate for Israel, MUST be completely decoupled. One does not relate to the other. Bad Muslims in Texas or New Jersey are in no way related to anything Israel in terms of any causalities and can not in any way be associated with Israel’s problems (and aspirations).

    It is really sad that neocons so well coupled two different issues. In short, Muslim problem in the West, and it is a huge one, should never invoke Israel in any way. This is West’s problem, not Israel’s. I hope I expressed myself clearly. If need be I will elaborate.

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    a) Despite its constant boasting and being a hot bed of gay “culture” is not realistically a Western culture.
     
    Why? Because it's not Christian?
    , @hyperbola
    Wars for the benefit of which racist-supremacist, mideast sect produce refugees in Europe?

    The Weaponisation of the Refugee | Dissident Voice
    Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism's War on Europe (Part 2 of an 11 Part Series)
    https://dissidentvoice.org/2016/01/the-weaponisation-of-the-refugee/
    Artificial mass migration as imperial policy has a long history......

    Rothschild's “Slaughter Ships” | Dissident Voice
    Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism's War on Europe (Part 4 of an 11 Part Series)
    https://dissidentvoice.org/2016/01/rothschilds-slaughter-ships/


    Who is shanghaied into fighting the wars for the racist-supremacist, mideast sect that produce the refugees?
    “Greater Israel”: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East | Global Research
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    The Unfolding of Yinon’s “Zionist Plan for the Middle East”: The Crisis in Iraq and the Centrality of the National Interest of Israel
    http://america-hijacked.com/2014/07/13/the-unfolding-of-yinons-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east-the-crisis-in-iraq-and-the-centrality-of-the-national-interest-of-israel/

    Yinon, PNAC and the Zionist / US / NATO Project to Destroy Syria
    https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum/108434/yinon-pnac-and-zionist-us-nato-project-destroy-syria
    , @renfro
    '' In short, Muslim problem in the West, and it is a huge one, should never invoke Israel in any way. This is West’s problem, not Israel’s. I hope I expressed myself clearly. If need be I will elaborate"">>>>

    Bullshit.

    The US stomping around the ME was inspired by the Israeli Fifth Column in the US...always has been. And Israel's occupation of Palestine has always been a flashpoint for Arabs and Muslims resentment of the US.

    from the horses mouth....

    ""America will never dream of security unless we will have it in reality in Palestine," he added. "God willing, our raids on you will continue as long as your support to the Israelis will continue."

    "The American people should remember that they pay taxes to their government, they elect their president, their government manufactures arms and gives them to Israel and Israel uses them to massacre Palestinians.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/02/bin-laden-war-words-quotes
    Bin Laden: the war in his words

    , @RadicalCenter
    Wholeheartedly agree, Mr. Martyanov. I know that Russia has quite a different history, different needs, and different neighbors than my USA, but don’t you think that Russia too should stop allowing more Muslims to immigrate to and settle in Russia proper?

    The USA lacks the guts and common sense to bar Muslim immigration, but Russia might have what it takes.
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  58. Jonny C says:

    Christianity has just commemorated 500 years since its Reformation. Islam has yet to undergo a reformation; it’s still radical.

    This would presume that Christianity in it’s nature is violent, and needed a reformation to do away with it’s violent nature. I would argue that since the Acts of the apostles and even since Jesus walked the earth, Christianity is full of both teachings and examples of non-violence. “Love your enemies.” “Turn the other cheek.” “Do unto others.” Nothing in the teaching of Christianity needed reformation, the wrongdoings of Europe notwithstanding.

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    The essence of the reformation was the rejection of the do gooder New Testament of Jesus and a return to the violence and hatred of the Old Testament.
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  59. Sample says:

    The real question that needs debating is

    Is Islam really a religion,

    A religion does not call for the extermination of other religions

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    Islam is belief that God is One, Infinite and Unique.

    Every other religion has made a caricature of God. They say... he is man-like... he begets children... he has wives... he is black, white, blue... he shares his dominion with other gods (thus he is not infinite?)...!

    Do you people stop and ponder the illogicality of such nonsense?

    Islam is about truly understanding that God is beyond comprehension, and attributing such human idiosyncrasies is simply preposterous.

    To be a true monotheist, is to be blessed. You will probably never share such a blessed fate.


    A religion does not call for the extermination of other religions
     
    LOL, extermination?! BS!

    Anyway, what do you call the white man's burden? How about the white man's extermination of people perceived as lesser?

    , @Druid
    You're ignorant , bud. You obviously are a know-nothing faux news junkie. Read a bit about Islam and realize that what you say is ridiculous. The problem in the Islamic would today is the corrupting influence od Saudi Wahhabism ever since they got rich with oil money. Worse thing that happened to Moslems is oil wealth
    , @Zumbuddi
    The idea that was most important to Abraham was that HE discovered the One right god, and that it was necessary to correct everyone else's thinking, or to punish even kill anyone who failed to get on board.

    Exterminationism is baked in the Abrahamic cake.
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  60. @Greg Bacon
    How about a ban on people from that nation which savagely attacked what was basically an unarmed intelligence ship in international waters, murdering 34 Americans & wounding another 141, a heinous act which that nation, and its human assets have been lying about for 50 years?

    How about a ban on that nation which knew about the 1983 Marine barracks in Lebanon bombing, but didn't warn its 'special' friend and ally because they wanted to get the US into Lebanon, fighting that war to save their ass?

    How about a ban on that certain group of people that has a lobby that has Congress on a short lease, always putting the wants of that nation ahead of our needs?

    How about a ban on the same ones who have hijacked our economy thru their control of the FED and US Treasury?

    How about a ban on that ME nation that is always spying on its friend, stealing vital military, industrial and business secrets, then selling our military secrets to nations like the USSR and now Commie China?

    How about a ban on that nation that has been backing, supporting and providing medical care and shelter to ISIS terrorists, who after recovery, get sent back to kill civilians, maybe even Americans?


    I could go on, but that nation we need to ban is Israel, which is NOT our friend or ally, but a duplicitous enemy that has hijacked our nation and slowly strangling it to death, while their MSM keeps screaming about Muslims doing impossible feats, like knocking down three skyscrapers with only TWO jetliners or plowing into NYC traffic, with the windows rolled up and witnesses claim he was shouting Allahu Akbar™ ?
    If you've ever been to NYC--and I have--you'll know that both the background noise and traffic sounds are LOUD, but maybe New Yorkers have an acute sense of hearing, allowing them to hear a copyrighted phrase over the background noise, the engine of the truck, people screaming and bikes getting mangled? Maybe he had a bullhorn?

    I realize that my raw comments might hurt some ears, especially the ones getting brainwashed into being snowflakes by sleazy US professors and will definitely get me the anti-Semite label, but that's the wonderful thing about truth, it can hurt.

    How about a ban on that nation that has been backing, supporting and providing medical care and shelter to ISIS terrorists, who after recovery, get sent back to kill civilians, maybe even Americans?

    Israel’s aid to ISIS is well documented, which makes Israel a terrorist state. This, however, does not remove legitimate issues with Muslim immigration. Those issues must be addressed.

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    I read somewhere that as Assad with Russia's help wins his war against terrorism in Syria that many Syrian refugees are returning home. Maybe on a practical matter Mr. Vlad the Bad is actually doing more to solve the "refugee problem" than all the western politicians put together?
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  61. The Christian reformation made Christianity more radical not more moderate. The majority of Muslims are not moderate they support radical Islam. The terrorists are the true face of Islam, moderate Muslims are the ones that misinterpret the teachings of Mohammed. Islam teaches violent Jihad, terrorism. Every Muslim is a potential terrorist, if he believes in Allah and the teachings of Mohammed,that incite to violence against any that deviate from the fundamental doctrine. Most muslims are not terrorists but most muslims find the actions of the terrorists justified.

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    Jeez, another ignorant idiot. I'm getting tired of advising guys like you to block faux news and get informed
    , @renfro
    '' Most muslims are not terrorists but most muslims find the actions of the terrorists justified.''

    Most Americans would find it justified if the terriers stuck to killing politicians and the Zionist cult instead of mowing down ordinary citizens.
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  62. anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    A Muslim Ban Is Logical, Moral, Even Libertarian

    Believe me, as a blessed true monotheist (all praises to Him), I agree.

    This is because, those muslims who try and assimilate into western societies, do so by becoming more secular and losing their spiritual identities, becoming muslims in name only… a curse, if they only realised (may the One forbid such a fate for the true faithful).

    So again, all at-the-core-Islamophobic nations should ban muslims from entering. But, there is a caveat to that. Those same cursed Islamophobic nations should also keep their decadent evil greedy psychopathic hands off muslims nations.

    Deal?

    Yeah? Bring it on, godless pagan polytheist human worshippers!

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    { Those same cursed Islamophobic nations should also keep their decadent evil greedy psychopathic hands off muslims nations.}

    First off, there is no such thing as 'Islamophobic/Islamophobia': like all other -phobia words that are in vogue these days, so-called Islamophobia is a bogus word. There is irrational (phobia) fear of Islam. The fear of Islam by non-Muslims is very rational, based on observation of world events and behaviour of adherents to that religion in various counties of the world where they either majorities or super-majorities.

    As to Muslim nations: I am all for US not meddling in any other country's business, including Muslim ones. But how Muslim counties become Muslim?

    Middle East was entirely non-Muslim: now it is almost completely Muslim.
    How did that happen?
    Asia Minor was almost completely Christian: now it is 99%+ Muslim.
    I know how _that_ happened: over centuries Muslim invaders ethnically cleansed, forcibly Islamized, then finally exterminated the indigenous Christian civilizations (Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks).

    What were Muslim armies doing at the Gates of Vienna?

    The indigenous people of Egypt are the Copts (Christians).
    They became a minority in their own lands after the invasions of Muslim Arab hordes.

    So don't give us any lectures.

    , @helena
    It would be so simple really just to designate different religions to countries and let people choose which one they want to live in.
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  63. sample says:

    Religion is the Worlds terminal cancer…..

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  64. sample says:

    Can the World survive “Religion”

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  65. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @geokat62

    Where were the ‘Ilana Mercers’ back in ’65 when Javits proclaimed upon passage of the Act, “Open The Floodgates!”

    They were lifting up the gates calling them to come in to destroy a White-Christian power bloc that Jewry fears and hoped to destroy.
     
    Thanks for writing this comment, Brother Nathanael... the truth needs to be said.

    Based on this comment, I just want to apologize for questioning your honesty when you and Mr. Maven had that dispute over whether the Israeli national anthem was sung in every sabbath morning service.

    I can now state, unequivocally, that I am completely convinced that you are, indeed, a truth-teller.

    Based on this comment, I just want to apologize for questioning your honesty when you and Mr. Maven had that dispute over whether the Israeli national anthem was sung in every sabbath morning service.

    Surely it would have depended on the synagogue? I always thought that was a silly argument on Sam’s part; obviously the national anthem of Israel wouldn’t be in the rubrics, because Israel didn’t exist before the last century (and the concept of “national anthems” isn’t much older).

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    The National anthem of the Israeli military is " Onward Christian Soldiers" (with the help of the American taxpayer)
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  66. sample says:

    [In comments, all caps is "shouting." Stop "shouting" or your comments will be trashed.]

    This says it all,

    According to the BBC, a furious Sharon turned toward Peres, saying:

    “EVERY TIME WE DO SOMETHING YOU TELL ME AMERICANS WILL DO THIS AND WILL DO THAT. I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING VERY CLEAR, DON’T WORRY ABOUT AMERICAN PRESSURE ON ISRAEL. WE, THE JEWISH PEOPLE, CONTROL AMERICA, AND THE AMERICANS KNOW IT.”

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  67. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Sample
    The real question that needs debating is
    "
    Is Islam really a religion,

    A religion does not call for the extermination of other religions

    Islam is belief that God is One, Infinite and Unique.

    Every other religion has made a caricature of God. They say… he is man-like… he begets children… he has wives… he is black, white, blue… he shares his dominion with other gods (thus he is not infinite?)…!

    Do you people stop and ponder the illogicality of such nonsense?

    Islam is about truly understanding that God is beyond comprehension, and attributing such human idiosyncrasies is simply preposterous.

    To be a true monotheist, is to be blessed. You will probably never share such a blessed fate.

    A religion does not call for the extermination of other religions

    LOL, extermination?! BS!

    Anyway, what do you call the white man’s burden? How about the white man’s extermination of people perceived as lesser?

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    Anyway, what do you call the white man’s burden? How about the white man’s extermination of people perceived as lesser?

    I call them Palestinian jews....
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  68. Religion is the Worlds terminal cancer…..

    Big government, bankers and corporations constitute the new religion.

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  69. Avery says:
    @anonymous

    A Muslim Ban Is Logical, Moral, Even Libertarian
     
    Believe me, as a blessed true monotheist (all praises to Him), I agree.

    This is because, those muslims who try and assimilate into western societies, do so by becoming more secular and losing their spiritual identities, becoming muslims in name only... a curse, if they only realised (may the One forbid such a fate for the true faithful).

    So again, all at-the-core-Islamophobic nations should ban muslims from entering. But, there is a caveat to that. Those same cursed Islamophobic nations should also keep their decadent evil greedy psychopathic hands off muslims nations.

    Deal?

    Yeah? Bring it on, godless pagan polytheist human worshippers!

    { Those same cursed Islamophobic nations should also keep their decadent evil greedy psychopathic hands off muslims nations.}

    First off, there is no such thing as ‘Islamophobic/Islamophobia’: like all other -phobia words that are in vogue these days, so-called Islamophobia is a bogus word. There is irrational (phobia) fear of Islam. The fear of Islam by non-Muslims is very rational, based on observation of world events and behaviour of adherents to that religion in various counties of the world where they either majorities or super-majorities.

    As to Muslim nations: I am all for US not meddling in any other country’s business, including Muslim ones. But how Muslim counties become Muslim?

    Middle East was entirely non-Muslim: now it is almost completely Muslim.
    How did that happen?
    Asia Minor was almost completely Christian: now it is 99%+ Muslim.
    I know how _that_ happened: over centuries Muslim invaders ethnically cleansed, forcibly Islamized, then finally exterminated the indigenous Christian civilizations (Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks).

    What were Muslim armies doing at the Gates of Vienna?

    The indigenous people of Egypt are the Copts (Christians).
    They became a minority in their own lands after the invasions of Muslim Arab hordes.

    So don’t give us any lectures.

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    Typo: " There is irrational (phobia) fear of Islam."
    Correction: "There is NO irrational (phobia) fear of Islam"


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    , @jacques sheete

    Middle East was entirely non-Muslim: now it is almost completely Muslim.
    How did that happen?
     
    And Palestine was entirely non-Zionist.

    How did that happen?
    , @renfro
    '' The indigenous people of Egypt are the Copts (Christians).
    They became a minority in their own lands after the invasions of Muslim Arab hordes."":


    Well someone needs to give you a lecture on real history.

    The indigenous people of Egypt weren't "Copts'....they were Arab
    semites.

    'Copts' was just the NAME applied to Egyptians who practiced Christianity.
    There is a difference between indigenous 'people' and indigenous religions

    Christianity wasn't 'indigenous' to Egypt.

    The indigenous religion of Egypt was polytheism, or the worship of many deities, like Ra , Osiris, Isis etc.
    , @Wally
    Indeed, The West is criticized for The Crusades, but Muslims are never criticized for seizing Christian lands which brought about The Crusades in the first place.
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  70. sample says:
    @anonymous
    Islam is belief that God is One, Infinite and Unique.

    Every other religion has made a caricature of God. They say... he is man-like... he begets children... he has wives... he is black, white, blue... he shares his dominion with other gods (thus he is not infinite?)...!

    Do you people stop and ponder the illogicality of such nonsense?

    Islam is about truly understanding that God is beyond comprehension, and attributing such human idiosyncrasies is simply preposterous.

    To be a true monotheist, is to be blessed. You will probably never share such a blessed fate.


    A religion does not call for the extermination of other religions
     
    LOL, extermination?! BS!

    Anyway, what do you call the white man's burden? How about the white man's extermination of people perceived as lesser?

    Anyway, what do you call the white man’s burden? How about the white man’s extermination of people perceived as lesser?

    I call them Palestinian jews….

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  71. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Andrei Martyanov

    A ban on those bumbling, illiterate, brutish ragheads of the ME is logical, moral, even libertarian. America must remain a Zionist occupied territory for the sole purpose of serving the goal of Greater Israel.
     
    You just presented a perfect, in fact the best, example of being manipulated by... neocons, who unified two issues in one mutually exclusive and damaging to the US duality. Here how it goes in US in neocon framework: Islam is bad and Israel is automatically good. Hence your response. There is no separation, none whatsoever. Reality, however, (see dictionary for the definition of reality) is such that two issues are NOT really connected:

    1. Islam and Western culture (what's left of it anyway) are NOT compatible and there are serious legitimate issues with Sunni Islam. With or without US aggression and mayhem it created in the ME Muslims who profess Sharia are not integratable into Western societies, period. It is not a theorem, it is an axiom.

    2. All of that has NOTHING to do with Israel, which:

    a) Despite its constant boasting and being a hot bed of gay "culture" is not realistically a Western culture.

    b) Israel's problems with Arabs are Israel's problems only and have NO relation whatsoever, in any plane, to legitimate problems with Islam in Western societies.

    So, your sarcasm, while understandable, is absolutely misplaced. West's real problems with Islam and Israel's problems with Arabs (and Islam), some of them legitimate for Israel, MUST be completely decoupled. One does not relate to the other. Bad Muslims in Texas or New Jersey are in no way related to anything Israel in terms of any causalities and can not in any way be associated with Israel's problems (and aspirations).

    It is really sad that neocons so well coupled two different issues. In short, Muslim problem in the West, and it is a huge one, should never invoke Israel in any way. This is West's problem, not Israel's. I hope I expressed myself clearly. If need be I will elaborate.

    a) Despite its constant boasting and being a hot bed of gay “culture” is not realistically a Western culture.

    Why? Because it’s not Christian?

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    Why? Because it’s not Christian?
     
    This too. It is more complex than that. Christianity and the West are in many senses identical. The so called Judeo-Christian "thing" is baloney. New Testament was written by Greeks. The only Christian (so called) denominations which are decisively pro-Jewish and pro-Israel are overwhelmingly American (Old Testament) Evangelicals, they are also main shakers and movers for Israel's interests in US with everything rotten that goes with this. But the issue is even more complex than that, while there are many upstanding Jews who truly treasure their connection with combined West, it is an undeniable fact that many, very many, of them look at the combined West with contempt. I had several first hand experiences with that in my life, despite having many Jewish friends, some of them dear to me people, and, actually, in my high school in 1977 our whole class literally started a mutiny when our Literature Teacher (her name was Sofia Yukhnevich) who for years was "teaching" Russian Literature in the most contemptuous, denigrating manner, asked one of the girls from the class (not a stellar student admittedly but by no means dumb) during lesson to answer a question. The girl, whose second name was Churbanova (literally "of the stump, log"--no relation to Holocaust) which, of course, in slang Churban meaning dumb, failed to answer the question and this "teacher" in a front of everyone called her in most insulting form a "Russian Churban", that is Dumb Russian--at that time we all had it. Paradoxically, the Vice Principal of the school was Jewish herself but she was loved. Well, let's put it this way--that "teacher" (including after parents became aware of her "methods") was removed from teaching position. Later, she immigrated to Israel. I saw such manifestations of flaming Russophobia not for once. I also saw the same towards Americans, French, of course Germans, what have you, pretty often. So, it is an established fact that many Jews do hate or feel contempt towards the combined West. The worst, of course, are American Jews, especially those who exploit and benefit from Holocaust.
    , @Alden
    Because Israel is in the middle east and the culture is middle eastern. Many starry eyed atheist liberal, advanced American Jews lived in Israel for a few years. But being liberal westerners just couldn't take the corruption and other middle eastern ways and returned to America.

    The middle eastern culture of Israel may be one reason why between 1/5 and 1/4 of Israeli Jews live in Europe and America. The other reason is that is is a lot easier to make a living in Europe and America, particularly if one is Sephardi or Mizrahi.
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  72. Avery says:
    @Avery
    { Those same cursed Islamophobic nations should also keep their decadent evil greedy psychopathic hands off muslims nations.}

    First off, there is no such thing as 'Islamophobic/Islamophobia': like all other -phobia words that are in vogue these days, so-called Islamophobia is a bogus word. There is irrational (phobia) fear of Islam. The fear of Islam by non-Muslims is very rational, based on observation of world events and behaviour of adherents to that religion in various counties of the world where they either majorities or super-majorities.

    As to Muslim nations: I am all for US not meddling in any other country's business, including Muslim ones. But how Muslim counties become Muslim?

    Middle East was entirely non-Muslim: now it is almost completely Muslim.
    How did that happen?
    Asia Minor was almost completely Christian: now it is 99%+ Muslim.
    I know how _that_ happened: over centuries Muslim invaders ethnically cleansed, forcibly Islamized, then finally exterminated the indigenous Christian civilizations (Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks).

    What were Muslim armies doing at the Gates of Vienna?

    The indigenous people of Egypt are the Copts (Christians).
    They became a minority in their own lands after the invasions of Muslim Arab hordes.

    So don't give us any lectures.

    Typo: ” There is irrational (phobia) fear of Islam.”
    Correction: “There is NO irrational (phobia) fear of Islam”

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  73. Greg Bacon says: • Website

    I’m OK with banning Muslim immigration, as long as we also ban Jews, since they have been looting Social Security for decades, without having paid one cent into the fund, then Congress has the gonads to tell those who have paid for decades into SS that, Gee, it’s almost broke, so you’ll have to take a cut in benefits.

    Those covered by the Lautenberg Amendment are eligible for Special Cash Assistance and for Federal Public Assistance Programs including, but not limited to, Social Security, Medicaid, Food Stamps, and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/06/the-lautenberg-amendment/

    There’s another reason to keep out Jews, it seems they have a tendency to be sexual predators

    Howie Rubin, 62, a former Bear Stearns trader who was featured in the best-selling Michael Lewis novels “Liar’s Poker” and “The Big Short,” was accused in a $27 million lawsuit filed in Brooklyn federal court of luring women to his sex dungeon, abusing them, then trying to silence them with settlements and NDAs.

    “I’m going to rape you like I rape my daughter,” Rubin allegedly barked during one of the purported beatings.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-03/former-soros-fund-manager-sued-viciously-abusing-women

    So a Jewish ban would not only protect Social Security, but our American women, who Tribe members seem to have a fondness for, but it would be difficult for the X-rated video market.

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    Thanks for reminding us.

    Here's more.:


    All Holocaust compensation and restitution payments are protected by 1994 federal legislation that excludes them from calculations relating to eligibility for federal benefits. The legislation (h.r. 1873 or public law 103-286) stated that payments made to individuals because of their status as victims of Nazi persecution are to be excluded from income and resources in determining both eligibility for and the amount of benefits or services to be provided under any Federal or federally assisted program which provides benefits or services based on need such as, but not limited to, Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income, food stamps and Federally subsidized Housing programs.

    http://www.claimscon.org/?url=payments_benefits
     

    , @Druid
    The followers of Satan
    , @renfro
    Ah, it appears we are on the same song sheet.

    Before the Lautenberg act came the Jackson-Vanik Amendment.
    In 1973 Nixon and Kissinger were trying to establish US trade rights for Russia as a way to détente, ending the very expensive Cold War and stabilizing the world through weaving “an intersecting web of interests” and cooperation between the two.

    The Jews jumped all over this as a way to get something for Jews. So they got senators Jackson and Vanik to demand a clause inserted into any dealing with Russia that demanded Russia let more Jews emigrate without having to pay a diploma fee to Russia for the free university education all Russians got. Congress approved the amendment and it eventually torpedoed Nixon and Kissingers efforts.

    Russia responded to this demand by saying the deal wasn't worth it to them as they would not allow foreign nations to dictate their national policies.

    The Jewish interference so pissed off Kissinger that he called Jews 'traitors'....'''“I think that the Jewish community in this country on that issue is behaving unconscionably,” Kissinger said to President Nixon It’s behaving traitorously.''

    CRS statistics indicate that over 370,000 refugees were admitted from the Former Soviet Union in the first ten years of the Lautenberg Amendment. In October 2002 the Jewish Telegraphic Agency reported that “The Lautenberg Amendment allowed some 350,000 to 400,000 Jews from the former Soviet Union to gain entry into the United States without having to prove they were individually persecuted

    Since 1972, Congress had appropriated funds to help resettle Soviet Jews in Israel with more $80 million earmarked for this purpose. The program, which was administered by the United Israel Appeal, payed for the costs of flights and other travel expenses for the refugees. The program also funded absorption centers, elderly housing, youth villages, intensive Hebrew training and efforts to provide permanent housing and jobs to immigrants once they complete the journey to Israel.

    The United States also in 1990 by approved $400 million in loan guarantees to help Israel house its newcomers.
    In 1992, Congress authorized the President to provide guarantees of loans to Israel made as a result of Israel's extraordinary humanitarian effort to resettle and absorb immigrants. These guarantees were made available in annual increments of $2 billion over five years.

    In 2003, Congress approved $9 billion in loan guarantees over a three year period. Congress has extended the program several times and it is now authorized through the end of FY2019

    *In 1985 all loans to Israel would there after become 'grants'.
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  74. helena says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t see why the two would be mutually exclusive, though neither one appears to be politically feasible.
     
    Lump 'em together as Semites.

    Europeans have been outwitted and outbred by Semitism in the round. Turns out Europeans are a side branch not the trunk. But when the SubSaharan population explodes will the Fence across the Sinai hold fast?

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  75. anarchyst says:

    Islam is not just a “religion”, but is an all-encompassing foreign social and political system that governs all aspect of every moslem’s life. As such, NO Constitutional “First Amendment” protections need be afforded this foreign political system and their adherents. In fact, ALL moslems who hold American citizenship should be required to (re)affirm their loyalty to the United States.

    The only way for Islam to “reform itself” is to separate the spiritual aspect of the “religion” from the social and political part. Christianity did just that, hundreds of years ago… It is long overdue for Islam to reform itself–if it can…

    Islam is actually an arabicized version of judaism. Both the talmud and the koran have virtually identical passages in which the “supremacy” of each respective group is proclaimed. Both texts declare that non-believers are “less than human” and are to be used for the advantage of each respective cult. You can bet that, if push came to shove, jews would align with the muslims as they are of the same cloth.

    Add to that, ALL dual-citizenship should be abolished. There is no room in the United States for those who hold “dual-citizenship”. One cannot have split loyalties…split loyalties have contributed to our present situation.

    There is another “group” of dual-citizenship” types that deserve strict scrutiny. There are approximately 40 or so congresscritters who hold dual-citizenship with a “certain little country” (Israel) in the middle east. In fact, many of these congresscritters are given all-expenses paid “vacations” to this “certain little country” as a “reward” for doing that country’s bidding. There are THOUSANDS of high-level federal “policy wonks” and government employees who also hold dual-citizenship with that “certain little country”. It is reasonable to question who they really work for–the USA or “that certain other country”.

    It was sickening to see our politicians slobber all over themselves to PROVE that they were unconditional supporters of that “certain little country” in the middle east…just who the hell do they work for? Certainly not for the interests of the American people and the United States…they should renounce their United States citizenship and deport themselves to that “certain little country” in the middle east…

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  76. @Greg Bacon
    I'm OK with banning Muslim immigration, as long as we also ban Jews, since they have been looting Social Security for decades, without having paid one cent into the fund, then Congress has the gonads to tell those who have paid for decades into SS that, Gee, it's almost broke, so you'll have to take a cut in benefits.

    Those covered by the Lautenberg Amendment are eligible for Special Cash Assistance and for Federal Public Assistance Programs including, but not limited to, Social Security, Medicaid, Food Stamps, and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/06/the-lautenberg-amendment/
     
    There's another reason to keep out Jews, it seems they have a tendency to be sexual predators

    Howie Rubin, 62, a former Bear Stearns trader who was featured in the best-selling Michael Lewis novels “Liar’s Poker” and “The Big Short,” was accused in a $27 million lawsuit filed in Brooklyn federal court of luring women to his sex dungeon, abusing them, then trying to silence them with settlements and NDAs.

    “I’m going to rape you like I rape my daughter,” Rubin allegedly barked during one of the purported beatings.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-03/former-soros-fund-manager-sued-viciously-abusing-women
     
    So a Jewish ban would not only protect Social Security, but our American women, who Tribe members seem to have a fondness for, but it would be difficult for the X-rated video market.

    Thanks for reminding us.

    Here’s more.:

    All Holocaust compensation and restitution payments are protected by 1994 federal legislation that excludes them from calculations relating to eligibility for federal benefits. The legislation (h.r. 1873 or public law 103-286) stated that payments made to individuals because of their status as victims of Nazi persecution are to be excluded from income and resources in determining both eligibility for and the amount of benefits or services to be provided under any Federal or federally assisted program which provides benefits or services based on need such as, but not limited to, Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income, food stamps and Federally subsidized Housing programs.

    http://www.claimscon.org/?url=payments_benefits

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    Any and all Jews born in Europe, that is Russia to the border with China and neutral countries such as Spain, Portugual, Sweden, Ireland and Switzerland before January 1, 1946 are deemed holocaust survivors, even if they or their parents and Grandparents were Soviet communist high officials living in comfort.

    The youngest, the babies born in 1945 are 72. So we have another 30 years until Thanks Be To God the last holocaust survivor is dead. But they will never, never, never shut up about it.
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  77. helena says:
    @anonymous

    A Muslim Ban Is Logical, Moral, Even Libertarian
     
    Believe me, as a blessed true monotheist (all praises to Him), I agree.

    This is because, those muslims who try and assimilate into western societies, do so by becoming more secular and losing their spiritual identities, becoming muslims in name only... a curse, if they only realised (may the One forbid such a fate for the true faithful).

    So again, all at-the-core-Islamophobic nations should ban muslims from entering. But, there is a caveat to that. Those same cursed Islamophobic nations should also keep their decadent evil greedy psychopathic hands off muslims nations.

    Deal?

    Yeah? Bring it on, godless pagan polytheist human worshippers!

    It would be so simple really just to designate different religions to countries and let people choose which one they want to live in.

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  78. @Anon

    a) Despite its constant boasting and being a hot bed of gay “culture” is not realistically a Western culture.
     
    Why? Because it's not Christian?

    Why? Because it’s not Christian?

    This too. It is more complex than that. Christianity and the West are in many senses identical. The so called Judeo-Christian “thing” is baloney. New Testament was written by Greeks. The only Christian (so called) denominations which are decisively pro-Jewish and pro-Israel are overwhelmingly American (Old Testament) Evangelicals, they are also main shakers and movers for Israel’s interests in US with everything rotten that goes with this. But the issue is even more complex than that, while there are many upstanding Jews who truly treasure their connection with combined West, it is an undeniable fact that many, very many, of them look at the combined West with contempt. I had several first hand experiences with that in my life, despite having many Jewish friends, some of them dear to me people, and, actually, in my high school in 1977 our whole class literally started a mutiny when our Literature Teacher (her name was Sofia Yukhnevich) who for years was “teaching” Russian Literature in the most contemptuous, denigrating manner, asked one of the girls from the class (not a stellar student admittedly but by no means dumb) during lesson to answer a question. The girl, whose second name was Churbanova (literally “of the stump, log”–no relation to Holocaust) which, of course, in slang Churban meaning dumb, failed to answer the question and this “teacher” in a front of everyone called her in most insulting form a “Russian Churban”, that is Dumb Russian–at that time we all had it. Paradoxically, the Vice Principal of the school was Jewish herself but she was loved. Well, let’s put it this way–that “teacher” (including after parents became aware of her “methods”) was removed from teaching position. Later, she immigrated to Israel. I saw such manifestations of flaming Russophobia not for once. I also saw the same towards Americans, French, of course Germans, what have you, pretty often. So, it is an established fact that many Jews do hate or feel contempt towards the combined West. The worst, of course, are American Jews, especially those who exploit and benefit from Holocaust.

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    I've seen it myself, though under the surface! The majority of Americans are soooo ignorant about this. One reason Jews hate Moslems is because know them for what they are
    , @Che Guava
    Andrei,

    I was not wanting to commenting on this thread but 'Judaeo-Christian thing is baloney', i have also been saying it. Although, I am not sure of the literal meaning of 'baloney', am understanding the figurative.

    I have researched the term 'Judaeo-Christian'. It is less than two centuries old. It was originally from theologians, strictly only referring to the jewish partisans in the early Church.

    Usage with the modern, and as you are saying, false meaning, is from the late 1940s, a few heretical US protestants under Zionist influence.

    It was not recorded in general political-cultural discourse until the USA in late 1980s. Did not become common there until the mid- to late 1990s, or even later.

    Evil meme, indeed.
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  79. hyperbola says:
    @tjm
    Reading many of these comments, one has to wonder where all the Americans are, because these comments must be written from tel aviv. The disinformation and lies through omission are so extreme, as to scream ZIONIST JEW!

    By far the greatest threat to America is mass Latino immigration, AND by far the greatest threat to the Middle East is US (Israeli) militarism/imperialism. Yet, a so called terror attack and out come the calls for a Muslim ban. How about the immigration ban on the Mexicans Chump promised.

    Zionists push this hateful meme of a Muslims ban because it is great fodder, great distraction, While their BOY Chump is focused on Muslim bans, he does not have to focus on the real issue, Mexican/Latino immigration. Plus, it is all part of the Zionist manipulation, pushing Americans to hate Muslims, so as to accept all the evil our military is doing at Israel's command, in the Middle East.

    Who pushes “latino” immigration into the US?

    How Neocons Destabilized Europe – Consortiumnews

    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/09/07/how-neocons-destabilized-europe/

    …. When I first encountered the neocons in the 1980s, they had been given Central America to play with. President Ronald Reagan had credentialed many of them, bringing into the U.S. government neocon luminaries such as Elliott Abrams and Robert Kagan. But Reagan mostly kept them out of the big-power realms: the Mideast and Europe.

    Those strategic areas went to the “adults,” people like James Baker, George Shultz, Philip Habib and Brent Scowcroft. The poor Central Americans, as they tried to shed generations of repression and backwardness imposed by brutal right-wing oligarchies, faced U.S. neocon ideologues who unleashed death squads and even genocide against peasants, students and workers.

    The result not surprisingly was a flood of refugees, especially from El Salvador and Guatemala, northward to the United States. The neocon “success” in the 1980s, crushing progressive social movements and reinforcing the oligarchic controls, left most countries of Central America in the grip of corrupt regimes and crime syndicates, periodically driving more waves of what Reagan called “feet people” through Mexico to the southern U.S. border……

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  80. wayfarer says:
    @tjm
    Yes and no

    The goal of so called Muslim migration in America is NOT to overrun America with Muslims, Zionists use Mexicans/Latinos for that job, Muslim migration is all about manipulation.

    You will note Chump was elected to stop Latino migration, a fact quickly forgotten by the ZioMedia, yet time and time again they focus on Muslim migration.

    Muslim migration is just another tool of manipulation, without it, you could not muster up any Muslims for your false flag events, and thus miss out on demonizing the Muslims, and justifying more military incursions against the ME.

    How can anyone criticize Muslims, while America has destroyed nation after nation in the ME? Of course most Americans don't want war, and Chump ran on a platform of getting out of the ME, another fact the ZioMeida quickly altered for their benefit.

    If there is such a thing as "Muslims terrorism: (I don't believe in it myself, I find Zionism is the real terrorists, and if their are people being killed, it is of their design, all to push a narrative that benefits their goals), it is in response to America's assault upon the ME, at the behest of our parasitic controllers, Zionist Jews.

    Consider also that the Zionist CIA/Mossad created a “honeypot” in the Middle East. Attracting fundamentalist Muslims, who were organized, trained, and armed as ISIS fighters.

    These radicalized Muslims were put to work in the Syrian civil war, as disposable tools. Once they’d served a fair portion of their purpose, they were then summarily exterminated in the ISIS ‘capital’ of Raqqa, Syria.

    Europe and the U.S. also function as Zionist engineered honeypots, attracting Muslims who will once again be employed as disposable tools, someday engaging the west in full-tilt civil wars. Unleashing the wholesale holocaust of Christians and Muslims.

    Zionist Jews are removing Muslims and clearing a conflict free corridor for themselves, which will lead through the Middle East, the oil fields of Saudi Arabia, and eventually all the way to the gold mines of South Africa.

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  81. hyperbola says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    A ban on those bumbling, illiterate, brutish ragheads of the ME is logical, moral, even libertarian. America must remain a Zionist occupied territory for the sole purpose of serving the goal of Greater Israel.
     
    You just presented a perfect, in fact the best, example of being manipulated by... neocons, who unified two issues in one mutually exclusive and damaging to the US duality. Here how it goes in US in neocon framework: Islam is bad and Israel is automatically good. Hence your response. There is no separation, none whatsoever. Reality, however, (see dictionary for the definition of reality) is such that two issues are NOT really connected:

    1. Islam and Western culture (what's left of it anyway) are NOT compatible and there are serious legitimate issues with Sunni Islam. With or without US aggression and mayhem it created in the ME Muslims who profess Sharia are not integratable into Western societies, period. It is not a theorem, it is an axiom.

    2. All of that has NOTHING to do with Israel, which:

    a) Despite its constant boasting and being a hot bed of gay "culture" is not realistically a Western culture.

    b) Israel's problems with Arabs are Israel's problems only and have NO relation whatsoever, in any plane, to legitimate problems with Islam in Western societies.

    So, your sarcasm, while understandable, is absolutely misplaced. West's real problems with Islam and Israel's problems with Arabs (and Islam), some of them legitimate for Israel, MUST be completely decoupled. One does not relate to the other. Bad Muslims in Texas or New Jersey are in no way related to anything Israel in terms of any causalities and can not in any way be associated with Israel's problems (and aspirations).

    It is really sad that neocons so well coupled two different issues. In short, Muslim problem in the West, and it is a huge one, should never invoke Israel in any way. This is West's problem, not Israel's. I hope I expressed myself clearly. If need be I will elaborate.

    Wars for the benefit of which racist-supremacist, mideast sect produce refugees in Europe?

    The Weaponisation of the Refugee | Dissident Voice
    Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe (Part 2 of an 11 Part Series)

    https://dissidentvoice.org/2016/01/the-weaponisation-of-the-refugee/

    Artificial mass migration as imperial policy has a long history……

    Rothschild’s “Slaughter Ships” | Dissident Voice
    Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe (Part 4 of an 11 Part Series)

    https://dissidentvoice.org/2016/01/rothschilds-slaughter-ships/

    Who is shanghaied into fighting the wars for the racist-supremacist, mideast sect that produce the refugees?
    “Greater Israel”: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East | Global Research

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    The Unfolding of Yinon’s “Zionist Plan for the Middle East”: The Crisis in Iraq and the Centrality of the National Interest of Israel

    http://america-hijacked.com/2014/07/13/the-unfolding-of-yinons-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east-the-crisis-in-iraq-and-the-centrality-of-the-national-interest-of-israel/

    Yinon, PNAC and the Zionist / US / NATO Project to Destroy Syria

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum/108434/yinon-pnac-and-zionist-us-nato-project-destroy-syria

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    hyoerbola,

    You've done it again: compiled another great list of generally related great links!

    Thanks!
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  82. @Avery
    { Those same cursed Islamophobic nations should also keep their decadent evil greedy psychopathic hands off muslims nations.}

    First off, there is no such thing as 'Islamophobic/Islamophobia': like all other -phobia words that are in vogue these days, so-called Islamophobia is a bogus word. There is irrational (phobia) fear of Islam. The fear of Islam by non-Muslims is very rational, based on observation of world events and behaviour of adherents to that religion in various counties of the world where they either majorities or super-majorities.

    As to Muslim nations: I am all for US not meddling in any other country's business, including Muslim ones. But how Muslim counties become Muslim?

    Middle East was entirely non-Muslim: now it is almost completely Muslim.
    How did that happen?
    Asia Minor was almost completely Christian: now it is 99%+ Muslim.
    I know how _that_ happened: over centuries Muslim invaders ethnically cleansed, forcibly Islamized, then finally exterminated the indigenous Christian civilizations (Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks).

    What were Muslim armies doing at the Gates of Vienna?

    The indigenous people of Egypt are the Copts (Christians).
    They became a minority in their own lands after the invasions of Muslim Arab hordes.

    So don't give us any lectures.

    Middle East was entirely non-Muslim: now it is almost completely Muslim.
    How did that happen?

    And Palestine was entirely non-Zionist.

    How did that happen?

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  83. Zionist Jews are removing Muslims and clearing a conflict free corridor for themselves, which will lead through the Middle East, the oil fields of Saudi Arabia, and eventually all the way to the gold mines of South Africa.

    Maybe diamond mines as well. Who knows what else?

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    The one of a kind “Drapetomaniac,” probably knows.

    Too bad they broke the mold, once he was completed.

    source: http://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Drapetomaniac
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  84. wayfarer says:
    @jacques sheete

    Zionist Jews are removing Muslims and clearing a conflict free corridor for themselves, which will lead through the Middle East, the oil fields of Saudi Arabia, and eventually all the way to the gold mines of South Africa.
     
    Maybe diamond mines as well. Who knows what else?

    The one of a kind “Drapetomaniac,” probably knows.

    Too bad they broke the mold, once he was completed.

    source: http://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=Drapetomaniac

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  85. MarkinPNW says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    How about a ban on that nation that has been backing, supporting and providing medical care and shelter to ISIS terrorists, who after recovery, get sent back to kill civilians, maybe even Americans?
     
    Israel's aid to ISIS is well documented, which makes Israel a terrorist state. This, however, does not remove legitimate issues with Muslim immigration. Those issues must be addressed.

    I read somewhere that as Assad with Russia’s help wins his war against terrorism in Syria that many Syrian refugees are returning home. Maybe on a practical matter Mr. Vlad the Bad is actually doing more to solve the “refugee problem” than all the western politicians put together?

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  86. Why stop at Muslims? How about we just ban Semites of all persuasions? Including faux semites and poseur semites for the purists in the bunch. It’s clear the principles of the United States are not a good fit for this bunch, neither Moslem or Jew. They are both far more trouble than their worth, banning them is the right thing to do. In addition to a ban, forced removal of already entrenched semites only makes sense.

    You know what they say:

    “The only good Semite is a dead Semite”

    Truer words never spoken.

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  87. renfro says:
    @Greg Bacon
    How about a ban on people from that nation which savagely attacked what was basically an unarmed intelligence ship in international waters, murdering 34 Americans & wounding another 141, a heinous act which that nation, and its human assets have been lying about for 50 years?

    How about a ban on that nation which knew about the 1983 Marine barracks in Lebanon bombing, but didn't warn its 'special' friend and ally because they wanted to get the US into Lebanon, fighting that war to save their ass?

    How about a ban on that certain group of people that has a lobby that has Congress on a short lease, always putting the wants of that nation ahead of our needs?

    How about a ban on the same ones who have hijacked our economy thru their control of the FED and US Treasury?

    How about a ban on that ME nation that is always spying on its friend, stealing vital military, industrial and business secrets, then selling our military secrets to nations like the USSR and now Commie China?

    How about a ban on that nation that has been backing, supporting and providing medical care and shelter to ISIS terrorists, who after recovery, get sent back to kill civilians, maybe even Americans?


    I could go on, but that nation we need to ban is Israel, which is NOT our friend or ally, but a duplicitous enemy that has hijacked our nation and slowly strangling it to death, while their MSM keeps screaming about Muslims doing impossible feats, like knocking down three skyscrapers with only TWO jetliners or plowing into NYC traffic, with the windows rolled up and witnesses claim he was shouting Allahu Akbar™ ?
    If you've ever been to NYC--and I have--you'll know that both the background noise and traffic sounds are LOUD, but maybe New Yorkers have an acute sense of hearing, allowing them to hear a copyrighted phrase over the background noise, the engine of the truck, people screaming and bikes getting mangled? Maybe he had a bullhorn?

    I realize that my raw comments might hurt some ears, especially the ones getting brainwashed into being snowflakes by sleazy US professors and will definitely get me the anti-Semite label, but that's the wonderful thing about truth, it can hurt.

    Israel Charged with Systematic Harassment of U.S. Marines

    By Donald Neff
    Former Time Magazine Bureau Chief, Israel
    Washington Report, March 1995
    It was also published in Fifty Years of Israel

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    It was 12 years ago, on March 14, 1983, that the commandant of the Marine Corps sent a highly unusual letter to the secretary of defense expressing frustration and anger at Israel. General R.H. Barrow charged that Israeli troops were deliberately threatening the lives of Marines serving as peacekeepers in Lebanon. There was, he wrote, a systematic pattern of harassment by Israel Defense Forces (IDF) that was resulting in “life-threatening situations, replete with verbal degradation of the officers, their uniform and country.”

    Barrow’s letter added: “It is inconceivable to me why Americans serving in peacekeeping roles must be harassed, endangered by an ally…It is evident to me, and the opinion of the U.S. commanders afloat and ashore, that the incidents between the Marines and the IDF are timed, orchestrated, and executed for obtuse Israeli political purposes.”1

    Israel’s motives were less obtuse than the diplomatic general pretended. It was widely believed then, and now, that Israeli Defense Minister Ariel Sharon, one of Israel’s most Machiavellian politician-generals, was creating the incidents deliberately in an effort to convince Washington that the two forces had to coordinate their actions in order to avoid such tensions. This, of course, would have been taken by the Arabs as proof that the Marines were not really in Lebanon as neutral peacekeepers but as allies of the Israelis, a perception that would have obvious advantages for Israel.2

    Barrow’s extraordinary letter was indicative of the frustrations and miseries the Marines suffered during their posting to Lebanon starting on Aug. 25, 1982, as a result of Israel’s invasion 11 weeks earlier. Initially a U.S. unit of 800 men was sent to Beirut harbor as part of a multinational force to monitor the evacuation of PLO guerrillas from Beirut. The Marines, President Reagan announced, “in no case… would stay longer than 30 days.”3 This turned out to be only partly true. They did withdraw on Sept. 10, but a reinforced unit of 1,200 was rushed back 15 days later after the massacres at the Palestinian refugee camps at Sabra and Shatila that accompanied the Israeli seizure of West Beirut. The U.S. forces remained until Feb. 26, 1984.4

    During their year-and-a-half posting in Lebanon, the Marines suffered 268 killed.5 The casualties started within a week of the return of the Marines in September 1982. On the 30th, a U.S.-made cluster bomb left behind by the Israelis exploded, killing Corporal David Reagan and wounding three other Marines.6

    Corporal Reagan’s death represented the dangers of the new mission of the Marines in Lebanon. While their first brief stay had been to separate Israeli forces from Palestinian fighters evacuating West Beirut, their new mission was as part of a multinational force sent to prevent Israeli troops from attacking the Palestinian civilians left defenseless there after the withdrawal of PLO forces. As President Reagan said: “For this multinational force to succeed, it is essential that Israel withdraw from Beirut.”7

    “Incidents are timed, orchestrated, and executed for Israeli political purposes.”

    Israel’s siege of Beirut during the summer of 1982 had been brutal and bloody, reaching a peak of horror on Aug. 12, quickly known as Black Thursday. On that day, Sharon’s forces launched at dawn a massive artillery barrage that lasted for 11 straight hours and was accompanied by saturation air bombardment.8 As many as 500 persons, mainly Lebanese and Palestinian civilians, were killed.9

    On top of the bombardment came the massacres the next month at Sabra and Shatila, where Sharon’s troops allowed Lebanese Maronite killers to enter the camps filled with defenseless civilians. The massacres sickened the international community and pressure from Western capitals finally forced Israel to withdraw from Beirut in late September. Troops from Britain, France, Italy and the United States were interposed between the Israeli army and Beirut, with U.S. Marines deployed in the most sensitive area south of Beirut at the International Airport, directly between Israeli troops and West Beirut.

    It was at the airport that the Marines would suffer their Calvary over the next year. Starting in January 1983, small Israeli units began probing the Marine lines. At first the effort appeared aimed at discovering the extent of Marine determination to resist penetration. The lines proved solid and the Marines’ determination strong. Israeli troops were politely but firmly turned away. Soon the incidents escalated, with both sides pointing loaded weapons at each other but no firing taking place. Tensions were high enough by late January that a special meeting between U.S. and Israeli officers was held in Beirut to try to agree on precise boundaries beyond which the IDF would not penetrate.10

    No Stranger to the Marines

    However, on Feb. 2 a unit of three Israeli tanks, led by Israeli Lt. Col. Rafi Landsberg, tried to pass through Marine/Lebanese Army lines at Rayan University Library in south Lebanon. By this time, Landsberg was no stranger to the Marines. Since the beginning of January he had been leading small Israeli units in probes against the Marine lines, although such units would normally have a commander no higher than a sergeant or lieutenant. The suspicion grew that Sharon’s troops were deliberately provoking the Marines and Landsberg was there to see that things did not get out of hand. The Israeli tactics were aimed more at forcing a joint U.S.-Israeli strategy than merely probing lines.

    In the Feb. 2 incident, the checkpoint was commanded by Marine Capt. Charles Johnson, who firmly refused permission for Landsberg to advance. When two of the Israeli tanks ignored his warning to halt, Johnson leaped on Landsberg’s tank with pistol drawn and demanded Landsberg and his tanks withdraw. They did.11

    Landsberg and the Israeli embassy in Washington tried to laugh off the incident, implying that Johnson was a trigger-happy John Wayne type and that the media were exaggerating a routine event. Landsberg even went so far as to claim that he smelled alcohol on Johnson’s breath and that drunkenness must have clouded his reason. Marines were infuriated because Johnson was well known as a teetotaler. Americans flocked to Johnson’s side. He received hundreds of letters from school children, former Marines and from Commandant Barrow.12 It was a losing battle for the Israelis and Landsberg soon dropped from sight.

    But the incidents did not stop. These now included “helicopter harassment,” by which U.S.-made helicopters with glaring spotlights were flown by the Israelis over Marine positions at night, illuminating Marine outposts and exposing them to potential attack. As reports of these incidents piled up, Gen. Barrow received a letter on March 12 from a U.S. Army major stationed in Lebanon with the United Nations Truce Supervisory Organization (UNTSO). The letter described a systematic pattern of Israeli attacks and provocations against UNTSO troops, including instances in which U.S. officers were singled out for “near-miss” shootings, abuse and detention.13 That same day two Marine patrols were challenged and cursed by Israeli soldiers.14

    Two days later Barrow wrote his letter to Secretary of Defense Caspar W. Weinberger, who endorsed it and sent it along to the State Department. High-level meetings were arranged and the incidents abated, perhaps largely because by this time Ariel Sharon had been fired as defense minister. He had been found by an Israeli commission to have had “personal responsibility” for the Sabra and Shatila massacres.15

    Despite the bad taste left from the clashes with the Israelis, in fact no Marines had been killed in the incidents and their lines had been secure up to the end of winter in 1983. Then Islamic guerrillas, backed by Iran, became active. On the night of April 17, 1983, an unknown sniper fired a shot that went through the trousers of a Marine sentry but did not harm him. For the first time, the Marines returned fire.16

    The next day, the U.S. Embassy in Beirut was blown up by a massive bomb, with the loss of 63 lives. Among the 17 Americans killed were CIA Mideast specialists, including Robert C. Ames, the agency’s top Middle East expert.17 Disaffected former Israeli Mossad case officer Victor Ostrovsky later claimed that Israel had advance information about the bombing plan but had decided not to inform the United States, a claim denied by Israel.18 The Iranian-backed Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility. Veteran correspondent John Cooley considered the attack “the day [Iranian leader Ayatollah] Khomeini’s offensive against America in Lebanon began in earnest.”19

    Still, it was not until four months later, on Aug. 28, that Marines came under direct fire by rocket-propelled grenades and automatic weapons at International Airport. They returned fire with M-16 rifles and M-60 machine guns. The firefight resumed the next day with Marines firing 155mm artillery, 81mm mortars and rockets from Cobra helicopter gunships against Shi’i Muslim positions. Two Marines were killed and 14 wounded in the exchange, the first casualties in actual combat since the Marines had landed the previous year.20

    From this time on, the combat involvement of the Marines grew. Their actions were generally seen as siding with Israel against Muslims, slowly changing the status of the Marines as neutral peacekeepers to opponents of the Muslims.21 Israel could hardly have wished for more. The polarization meant that increasingly the conflict was being perceived in terms of the U.S., Israel and Lebanon’s Christians against Iran, Islam and Lebanon’s Shi’i Muslims.

    Accelerating the Conflict

    Israel accelerated the building conflict on Sept. 3, 1993 by unilaterally withdrawing its troops southward, leaving the Marines exposed behind their thin lines at the airport. The United States had asked the Israeli government to delay its withdrawal until the Marines could be replaced by units of the Lebanese army, but Israel refused.22 The result was as feared. Heavy fighting immediately broke out between the Christian Lebanese Forces and the pro-Syrian Druze units, both seeking to occupy positions evacuated by Israel, while the Marines were left in the crossfire.23 On Sept. 5, two Marines were killed and three wounded as fighting escalated between Christian and Muslim militias.24

    In an ill-considered effort to subdue the combat, the Sixth Fleet frigate Bowen fired several five-inch naval guns, hitting Druze artillery positions in the Chouf Mountains that were firing into the Marine compound at Beirut airport.25 It was the first time U.S. ships had fired into Lebanon, dramatically raising the level of combat. But the Marines’ exposed location on the flat terrain of the airport left them in an impossible position. On Sept. 12, three more Marines were wounded.26

    On Sept. 13, President Reagan authorized what was called aggressive self-defense for the Marines, including air and naval strikes.27 Five days later the United States essentially joined the war against the Muslims when four U.S. warships unleashed the heaviest naval bombardment since Vietnam into Syrian and Druze positions in eastern Lebanon in support of the Lebanese Christians.28 The bombardment lasted for three days and was personally ordered by National Security Council director Robert McFarlane, a Marine Corps officer detailed to the White House who was in Lebanon at the time and was also a strong supporter of Israel and its Lebanese Maronite Christian allies. McFarlane issued the order despite the fact that the Marine commander at the airport, Colonel Timothy Geraghty, strenuously argued against it because, in the words of correspondent Thomas L. Friedman, “he knew that it would make his soldiers party to what was now clearly an intra-Lebanese fight, and that the Lebanese Muslims would not retaliate against the Navy’s ships at sea but against the Marines on shore.”29

    By now, the Marines were under daily attack and Muslims were charging they were no longer neutral.30 At the same time the battleship USS New Jersey, with 16-inch guns, arrived off Lebanon, increasing the number of U.S. warships offshore to 14. Similarly, the Marine contingent at Beirut airport was increased from 1,200 to 1,600.31

    A Tragic Climax

    The fight now was truly joined between the Shi’i Muslims and the Marines, who were essentially pinned down in their airport bunkers and under orders not to take offensive actions. The tragic climax of their predicament came on Oct. 23, when a Muslim guerrilla drove a truck past guards at the Marine airport compound and detonated an explosive with the force of 12,000 pounds of dynamite under a building housing Marines and other U.S. personnel. Almost simultaneously, a car-bomb exploded at the French compound in Beirut. Casualties were 241 Americans and 58 French troops killed. The bombings were the work of Hezbollah, made up of Shi’i Muslim guerrillas supported by Iran.;32

    America’s agony increased on Dec. 3, when two carrier planes were downed by Syrian missiles during heavy U.S. air raids on eastern Lebanon.;33 On the same day, eight Marines were killed in fighting with Muslim militiamen around the Beirut airport.;34

    By the start of 1984, an all-out Shi’i Muslim campaign to rid Lebanon of all Americans was underway. The highly respected president of the American University of Beirut, Dr. Malcolm Kerr, a distinguished scholar of the Arab world, was gunned down on Jan. 18 outside his office by Islamic militants aligned with Iran.;35 On Feb. 5, Reagan made one of his stand-tall speeches by saying that “the situation in Lebanon is difficult, frustrating and dangerous. But this is no reason to turn our backs on friends and to cut and run.”;36

    The next day Professor Frank Regier, a U.S. citizen teaching at AUB, was kidnapped by Muslim radicals.;37 Regier’s kidnapping was the beginning of a series of kidnappings of Americans in Beirut that would hound the Reagan and later the Bush administrations for years and lead to the eventual expulsion of nearly all Americans from Lebanon where they had prospered for more than a century. Even today Americans still are prohibited from traveling to Lebanon.

    The day after Regier’s kidnapping, on Feb. 7, 1984, Reagan suddenly reversed himself and announced that all U.S. Marines would shortly be “redeployed.” The next day the battleship USS New Jersey fired 290 rounds of one-ton shells from its 16-inch guns into Lebanon as a final act of U.S. frustration.;38 Reagan’s “redeployment” was completed by Feb. 26, when the last of the Marines retreated from Lebanon.

    The mission of the Marines had been a humiliating failure�not because they failed in their duty but because the political backbone in Washington was lacking. The Marines had arrived in 1982 with all sides welcoming them. They left in 1984 despised by many and the object of attacks by Muslims. Even relations with Israel were strained, if not in Washington where a sympathetic Congress granted increased aid to the Jewish state to compensate it for the costs of its bungled invasion, then between the Marines and Israeli troops who had confronted each other in a realpolitik battlefield that was beyond their competence or understanding. The Marine experience in Lebanon did not contribute toward a favorable impression of Israel among many Americans, especially since the Marines would not have been in Lebanon except for Israel’s unprovoked invasion.

    This negative result is perhaps one reason a number of Israelis and their supporters today oppose sending U.S. peacekeepers to the Golan Heights as part of a possible Israeli-Syrian peace treaty. A repeat of the 1982-84 experience would certainly not be in Israel’s interests at a time when its supporters are seeking to have a budget-conscious Congress continue unprecedented amounts of aid to Israel.

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  88. nsa says:

    Try to visualize what the world will look like in the year 2117. The USA will have absorbed Canada by then but still be ruled by the entrenched vile jooies, lording it over a divided mixed race underclass very similar to Brazil’s present racial mix. Eurostan will have been colonized by the muzzies as a “democratic caliphate”. The Mackinder “world island” will closely resemble it’s present borders….Slavs, Muzzies, Hindus, and Chinese all trading amongst themselves as an economic bloc and more or less ignoring the peripheral “outer islands”…..Japan, Oz, N and S America. Fortunately, we will all have been collected by the reaper and not here to witness the spectacle……..

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  89. usa is weird at times. it likes to bomb the world, but also invite the world. that is just asking for trouble.

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  90. CalDre says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Most Jews would say that was then, this is now. A exception might be the Haredi.

    Most Moslems think the bloodthirsty conquest verses of the Koran are as applicable today as they were in the 7th Century.

    Every Moslem is one reading of the Koran away from being a terrorist.

    Most Jews would oppose this suggestion because they fear that they would be next.

    Most Jews would say that was then, this is now. A exception might be the Haredi.

    Most Moslems think the bloodthirsty conquest verses of the Koran are as applicable today as they were in the 7th Century.

    Actually 2,000 years of Jewish Diaspora prove you absolutely wrong. They always have and they continue to seek to enslave all of their neighbors (since they are, at least for now, incapable of killing the ones who don’t submit, but they sure make a good go at it with all the wars the cause others to fight for them to defeat those who do not submit to Israel supremacism. like Hussein and Qaddafi and Assad).

    On the other hand, during the Ottoman Empire, in which Islam law was the rule of the day, Jews were allowed to live peacefully and the entire ME was more or less peaceful, certainly a heavenly delight compared to what’s happened since the “West”, under Jewish dictatorship, has taken over the ME and established the Jew supremacist homeland. So, there came France and UK, which had just promised Israel to Lord Rothschild, and carved up the Ottoman Empire into incompatible, weak, conflicted pieces, to enable Israel to get its terror-hold of the ME. Jews have been conducting constant, pervasive terrorism against Arabs ever since. And when Arabs (often pathetically) try to defend themselves, they are called “terrorists” and murdered by the 100-fold to “teach a lesson”. That is worse than ISIS, which itself, along with al-Qaeda, is an Israeli-American-Saudi-Qatari creation.

    Most Jews would oppose this suggestion because they fear that they would be next.

    They don’t fear squat because they make sure their slaves in foreign countries protect them. They can’t even be criticized, lest you lose your soapbox. Only Jew idolaters and Jew supremacists are allowed the soap box. This is the result of Jews’ stranglehold on the media, which they use quite effectively to enslave their host population.

    When a White nationalist marches in America, he is condemned in the media and Congress, and the (Jewish) media celebrates those who violently confront them. When the Jew supremacist/nationalist/tribalist NutAndYahoo, who has actually instituted a system of racist Apartheid against his (allegedly closely blood related) Arabs, comes to Congress, his farts get a standing ovation. And the Jewish media barely criticizes.

    I could go on but if at this point in your life you can’t put 2 + 2 together, you are either a hasbara, an Evangelical or an idiot.

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    Agree except the Moslem conquest crap
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  91. Moi says:

    I didn’t know half-dozen Muslim countries were bombing the crap out of us.

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  92. bossel says:

    A Muslim Ban Is Logical, Moral, Even Libertarian

    Well, you have some rather peculiar ideas about liberty (& libertarianism). Nothing new, of course, but still worth mentioning…
    Calling yourself libertarian doesn’t make you one.

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    I’m quite sympathetic to libertarianism if we can restore and sustain a culture and a people who are able to handle that level of individual liberty and individual responsibility reasonably well.

    The evidence does not support the notion that all peoples, at all stages of their development, are suited to libertarianism. That’s dangerously naive.

    And by the way, I think most of us are more interested in our children being alive and not subjugated by sharia or the rule of any alien people, than in being “good libertarians” in your mind.

    Lastly, I don’t think Hoppe needs to defer to you on libertarianism, and he too realizes that any sane libertarianism cannot countenance the importation of tens of millions of unassimilated and even hostile peoples.

    As someone once properly said of the U.S. Constitution, we should also say, “Libertarianism is not a suicide pact.”

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  93. Druid says:
    @Haxo Angmark
    a ban on Zionists is logical, moral, even libertarian.

    These Ziofascist POS never miss a chance to bash Moslems. They’ve been doing it spice the 70s. I’ve been watching. This Mercer I think is a South African Jew. There the biggest Ziofascists. And racists!

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  94. SMK says: • Website
    @KenH
    Another Muslim terrorist with a face and a beard only a mother could love. If the Manhattan terrorist was a white nationalist and Trump exhorted Congress to ban white nationalism then the Congress would have unanimously passed a bill and Trump would be signing it as I write this. But since the terrorist was Muslim and non-whites & Muslims are never guilty for their murder sprees against Westerners then any punitive measures against Muslims would be deemed racist and "Islamophobic" and our elected representative are much too broad minded and cool for that not to mention fearful of Jewish political power.

    Generally speaking, Muslims do not belong in the Western world. I don't say this because I blindly hate Muslims, but there are jarring worldviews, legal systems, religious and political beliefs and cultural norms between Muslims and Westerners that make coexistence next to impossible and which will sow the seeds of violent conflict as we're seeing in the U.K. and Europe. This should be obvious to anyone with an IQ just north of room temperature or who's not an ideological hardliner or "love thy third worlder as thyself" Christian.

    A Muslim ban is long overdue. In fact, a ban on all non-whites is long overdue. The people we let into our nations wouldn't allow whites into theirs, so there's no reason why we should accept them.

    But Ilana's kinsmen in the Jewish occupied government will not allow a sane immigration policy (i.e., no third world people). Muslims are just one of the many groups of non-white/third world groups being imported by Jews to become our executioners when the time is ripe.

    “Radical Islamism,” “radical jihadism,” “jihadist extremism,” this “fanatical, twisted, radical ideology (Sean Hannity), ad nauseam, as if this radicalism, extremism, and ideology” were distinct from and a perversion of the “religion of peace” founded by Muhammad” in the early 7th Century, a blood-thirsty warlord and the first jihadist and Muslim terrorist.

    “Moderate Muslim” and “moderate Islam are oxymorons. Islam is inherently radical and extreme. Islam could only be “reformed” by renouncing the teachings and exhortations of “the Prophet” and his “holy book.” But Muslims who renounces the teachings and exhortations of Muhammad and the Koran would no longer be Muslims.

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  95. Druid says:
    @CalDre
    Why am I not surprised to read that this Jew supremacist immigrant wants to expel Muslims? Unlike the Christian cattle, they cannot be easily converted to serve Jews via the "secular humanist" religion Jews have manufactured for them.

    I have a better suggestions. Ban all Zionist Jews first; or, at least, ban them from government, media, universities and other areas where they can spread their nefarious "ideas". Then all of these other problems, instigated by Jew supremacists who consider the natives around them savage beasts to rule, will go away of their own.

    By the way, (((Ms. Mercer))), how many terrorist attacks by Muslims were there in the US before your co-tribalist supremacists got the US involved fighting ME wars for your homeland? You see, kicking out your ilk will serve several noble goals, not only getting rid of your nefarious influence but the retaliation dumb Americans face for allowing themselves to be influenced by your ilk.

    Well said and totally agree. There were no terrorist attacks until the 70s with the illegal wars of Israel and the complicity of the US

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  96. Druid says:
    @Brother Nathanael Kapner
    Let's do a little contemporary history.

    The Hart-Celler Act, popularly known as The Open Immigration Law Of 1965, and pushed by the American Jewish Committee with its master-of-ceremonies barking "diversity" in DC, NY Senator Jacob Javits, opened up America to Third World immigration.

    Qualifications were decimated and Quotas went through the roof.

    Whereas immigration law prior to the infamous Jewish-enabled 1965 Act limited the quotas to only the immediate family of immigrants, the 1965 Act allowed cousins, aunts, uncles, step-uncles galore, and step-cousins galore from Third World countries to come on in!

    And these would-be immigrants, before they could come, had to prove their professional status and have jobs already lined up in their professions: Academia, Engineering, Medical, Science, etc.

    Go to Central Park today in downtown Manhattan and an assortment of illiterate Third Worlders who have no American patriotic strain whatsoever in their blood have turned the Park into a virtual Uzbeki playground.

    Where were the 'Ilana Mercers' back in '65 when Javits proclaimed upon passage of the Act, "Open The Floodgates!"

    They were lifting up the gates calling them to come in to destroy a White-Christian power bloc that Jewry fears and hoped to destroy.

    Now that they've accomplished that, the "Ilana Mercers" say, "We don't need them any more."

    Jews hate Christians and the dumbo are too dumbo to see it. Use the goyim!

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  97. The so-called “Reformation” precipitated a tsunami of war, slave-trading, and witch-hunting. One was enough, Thank You.

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  98. “A Muslim Ban Is Logical, Moral, Even Libertarian”
    how about a ban on white, real estate investors from nevada?

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  99. Druid says:
    @Greg Bacon
    How about a ban on people from that nation which savagely attacked what was basically an unarmed intelligence ship in international waters, murdering 34 Americans & wounding another 141, a heinous act which that nation, and its human assets have been lying about for 50 years?

    How about a ban on that nation which knew about the 1983 Marine barracks in Lebanon bombing, but didn't warn its 'special' friend and ally because they wanted to get the US into Lebanon, fighting that war to save their ass?

    How about a ban on that certain group of people that has a lobby that has Congress on a short lease, always putting the wants of that nation ahead of our needs?

    How about a ban on the same ones who have hijacked our economy thru their control of the FED and US Treasury?

    How about a ban on that ME nation that is always spying on its friend, stealing vital military, industrial and business secrets, then selling our military secrets to nations like the USSR and now Commie China?

    How about a ban on that nation that has been backing, supporting and providing medical care and shelter to ISIS terrorists, who after recovery, get sent back to kill civilians, maybe even Americans?


    I could go on, but that nation we need to ban is Israel, which is NOT our friend or ally, but a duplicitous enemy that has hijacked our nation and slowly strangling it to death, while their MSM keeps screaming about Muslims doing impossible feats, like knocking down three skyscrapers with only TWO jetliners or plowing into NYC traffic, with the windows rolled up and witnesses claim he was shouting Allahu Akbar™ ?
    If you've ever been to NYC--and I have--you'll know that both the background noise and traffic sounds are LOUD, but maybe New Yorkers have an acute sense of hearing, allowing them to hear a copyrighted phrase over the background noise, the engine of the truck, people screaming and bikes getting mangled? Maybe he had a bullhorn?

    I realize that my raw comments might hurt some ears, especially the ones getting brainwashed into being snowflakes by sleazy US professors and will definitely get me the anti-Semite label, but that's the wonderful thing about truth, it can hurt.

    Getting an anti-semitism should be seen as a badge of honor for standing up to these tribal racist manipulative Talmudic terrorists!

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  100. Druid says:
    @Serg Derbst
    Ha! I'd rather say a ban of American ideology is the most logical thing for humanity. It is the most destructive force on the planet. Radical Islam? That's the jeannie American imperialism took out of the bottle (Remember? From the Mudjahideen, Brzezinski, Afghanistan to funding, training, and arming ISIS?) and now we all have to live with it. Thank you, America!

    As for the true origin of this jihadi madness, Wahhabism in Saudi-Arabia, we can all thank your friends and partners in crime, the British imperialists. And if you weren't bombing all their countries since now over two decades, they might not ever even had a reason to become so angry, right? Look at your whiny reaction after 9/11 (a measly 3000 deaths) and compare that with the over 4 million Muslims murdered by America since 1991. You really expect all of them to just sit tight and wait for democracy to come? Gosh, are you a naive people.

    I don't know any other nation (except Israel) who is so incapable to see their own role as it really is. And I'm not a Muslim, I'm just an angry German who's had enough. And that is also very librarian.

    And 911 was an inside job. Do the research and you’ll be convinced the israhellists had a lot to do with it

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  101. Druid says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Most Jews would say that was then, this is now. A exception might be the Haredi.

    Most Moslems think the bloodthirsty conquest verses of the Koran are as applicable today as they were in the 7th Century.

    Every Moslem is one reading of the Koran away from being a terrorist.

    Most Jews would oppose this suggestion because they fear that they would be next.

    Drivel!!!!

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  102. Druid says:
    @tjm
    Please don't lump in Christ with your malignant vial Zionism.

    It is through manipulation and conditioning, that the Zionist has manipulated Christians to do their evil bidding.

    Your comments are all on point and appreciated

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  103. Druid says:
    @Sample
    The real question that needs debating is
    "
    Is Islam really a religion,

    A religion does not call for the extermination of other religions

    You’re ignorant , bud. You obviously are a know-nothing faux news junkie. Read a bit about Islam and realize that what you say is ridiculous. The problem in the Islamic would today is the corrupting influence od Saudi Wahhabism ever since they got rich with oil money. Worse thing that happened to Moslems is oil wealth

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  104. Druid says:
    @Philip Smeeton
    The Christian reformation made Christianity more radical not more moderate. The majority of Muslims are not moderate they support radical Islam. The terrorists are the true face of Islam, moderate Muslims are the ones that misinterpret the teachings of Mohammed. Islam teaches violent Jihad, terrorism. Every Muslim is a potential terrorist, if he believes in Allah and the teachings of Mohammed,that incite to violence against any that deviate from the fundamental doctrine. Most muslims are not terrorists but most muslims find the actions of the terrorists justified.

    Jeez, another ignorant idiot. I’m getting tired of advising guys like you to block faux news and get informed

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  105. Druid says:
    @Greg Bacon
    I'm OK with banning Muslim immigration, as long as we also ban Jews, since they have been looting Social Security for decades, without having paid one cent into the fund, then Congress has the gonads to tell those who have paid for decades into SS that, Gee, it's almost broke, so you'll have to take a cut in benefits.

    Those covered by the Lautenberg Amendment are eligible for Special Cash Assistance and for Federal Public Assistance Programs including, but not limited to, Social Security, Medicaid, Food Stamps, and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/06/the-lautenberg-amendment/
     
    There's another reason to keep out Jews, it seems they have a tendency to be sexual predators

    Howie Rubin, 62, a former Bear Stearns trader who was featured in the best-selling Michael Lewis novels “Liar’s Poker” and “The Big Short,” was accused in a $27 million lawsuit filed in Brooklyn federal court of luring women to his sex dungeon, abusing them, then trying to silence them with settlements and NDAs.

    “I’m going to rape you like I rape my daughter,” Rubin allegedly barked during one of the purported beatings.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-03/former-soros-fund-manager-sued-viciously-abusing-women
     
    So a Jewish ban would not only protect Social Security, but our American women, who Tribe members seem to have a fondness for, but it would be difficult for the X-rated video market.

    The followers of Satan

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  106. Druid says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Why? Because it’s not Christian?
     
    This too. It is more complex than that. Christianity and the West are in many senses identical. The so called Judeo-Christian "thing" is baloney. New Testament was written by Greeks. The only Christian (so called) denominations which are decisively pro-Jewish and pro-Israel are overwhelmingly American (Old Testament) Evangelicals, they are also main shakers and movers for Israel's interests in US with everything rotten that goes with this. But the issue is even more complex than that, while there are many upstanding Jews who truly treasure their connection with combined West, it is an undeniable fact that many, very many, of them look at the combined West with contempt. I had several first hand experiences with that in my life, despite having many Jewish friends, some of them dear to me people, and, actually, in my high school in 1977 our whole class literally started a mutiny when our Literature Teacher (her name was Sofia Yukhnevich) who for years was "teaching" Russian Literature in the most contemptuous, denigrating manner, asked one of the girls from the class (not a stellar student admittedly but by no means dumb) during lesson to answer a question. The girl, whose second name was Churbanova (literally "of the stump, log"--no relation to Holocaust) which, of course, in slang Churban meaning dumb, failed to answer the question and this "teacher" in a front of everyone called her in most insulting form a "Russian Churban", that is Dumb Russian--at that time we all had it. Paradoxically, the Vice Principal of the school was Jewish herself but she was loved. Well, let's put it this way--that "teacher" (including after parents became aware of her "methods") was removed from teaching position. Later, she immigrated to Israel. I saw such manifestations of flaming Russophobia not for once. I also saw the same towards Americans, French, of course Germans, what have you, pretty often. So, it is an established fact that many Jews do hate or feel contempt towards the combined West. The worst, of course, are American Jews, especially those who exploit and benefit from Holocaust.

    I’ve seen it myself, though under the surface! The majority of Americans are soooo ignorant about this. One reason Jews hate Moslems is because know them for what they are

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  107. Druid says:
    @CalDre

    Most Jews would say that was then, this is now. A exception might be the Haredi.

    Most Moslems think the bloodthirsty conquest verses of the Koran are as applicable today as they were in the 7th Century.
     

    Actually 2,000 years of Jewish Diaspora prove you absolutely wrong. They always have and they continue to seek to enslave all of their neighbors (since they are, at least for now, incapable of killing the ones who don't submit, but they sure make a good go at it with all the wars the cause others to fight for them to defeat those who do not submit to Israel supremacism. like Hussein and Qaddafi and Assad).

    On the other hand, during the Ottoman Empire, in which Islam law was the rule of the day, Jews were allowed to live peacefully and the entire ME was more or less peaceful, certainly a heavenly delight compared to what's happened since the "West", under Jewish dictatorship, has taken over the ME and established the Jew supremacist homeland. So, there came France and UK, which had just promised Israel to Lord Rothschild, and carved up the Ottoman Empire into incompatible, weak, conflicted pieces, to enable Israel to get its terror-hold of the ME. Jews have been conducting constant, pervasive terrorism against Arabs ever since. And when Arabs (often pathetically) try to defend themselves, they are called "terrorists" and murdered by the 100-fold to "teach a lesson". That is worse than ISIS, which itself, along with al-Qaeda, is an Israeli-American-Saudi-Qatari creation.

    Most Jews would oppose this suggestion because they fear that they would be next.
     

    They don't fear squat because they make sure their slaves in foreign countries protect them. They can't even be criticized, lest you lose your soapbox. Only Jew idolaters and Jew supremacists are allowed the soap box. This is the result of Jews' stranglehold on the media, which they use quite effectively to enslave their host population.

    When a White nationalist marches in America, he is condemned in the media and Congress, and the (Jewish) media celebrates those who violently confront them. When the Jew supremacist/nationalist/tribalist NutAndYahoo, who has actually instituted a system of racist Apartheid against his (allegedly closely blood related) Arabs, comes to Congress, his farts get a standing ovation. And the Jewish media barely criticizes.

    I could go on but if at this point in your life you can't put 2 + 2 together, you are either a hasbara, an Evangelical or an idiot.

    Agree except the Moslem conquest crap

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  108. renfro says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    A ban on those bumbling, illiterate, brutish ragheads of the ME is logical, moral, even libertarian. America must remain a Zionist occupied territory for the sole purpose of serving the goal of Greater Israel.
     
    You just presented a perfect, in fact the best, example of being manipulated by... neocons, who unified two issues in one mutually exclusive and damaging to the US duality. Here how it goes in US in neocon framework: Islam is bad and Israel is automatically good. Hence your response. There is no separation, none whatsoever. Reality, however, (see dictionary for the definition of reality) is such that two issues are NOT really connected:

    1. Islam and Western culture (what's left of it anyway) are NOT compatible and there are serious legitimate issues with Sunni Islam. With or without US aggression and mayhem it created in the ME Muslims who profess Sharia are not integratable into Western societies, period. It is not a theorem, it is an axiom.

    2. All of that has NOTHING to do with Israel, which:

    a) Despite its constant boasting and being a hot bed of gay "culture" is not realistically a Western culture.

    b) Israel's problems with Arabs are Israel's problems only and have NO relation whatsoever, in any plane, to legitimate problems with Islam in Western societies.

    So, your sarcasm, while understandable, is absolutely misplaced. West's real problems with Islam and Israel's problems with Arabs (and Islam), some of them legitimate for Israel, MUST be completely decoupled. One does not relate to the other. Bad Muslims in Texas or New Jersey are in no way related to anything Israel in terms of any causalities and can not in any way be associated with Israel's problems (and aspirations).

    It is really sad that neocons so well coupled two different issues. In short, Muslim problem in the West, and it is a huge one, should never invoke Israel in any way. This is West's problem, not Israel's. I hope I expressed myself clearly. If need be I will elaborate.

    ” In short, Muslim problem in the West, and it is a huge one, should never invoke Israel in any way. This is West’s problem, not Israel’s. I hope I expressed myself clearly. If need be I will elaborate””>>>>

    Bullshit.

    The US stomping around the ME was inspired by the Israeli Fifth Column in the US…always has been. And Israel’s occupation of Palestine has always been a flashpoint for Arabs and Muslims resentment of the US.

    from the horses mouth….

    “”America will never dream of security unless we will have it in reality in Palestine,” he added. “God willing, our raids on you will continue as long as your support to the Israelis will continue.”

    “The American people should remember that they pay taxes to their government, they elect their president, their government manufactures arms and gives them to Israel and Israel uses them to massacre Palestinians.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/02/bin-laden-war-words-quotes

    Bin Laden: the war in his words

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  109. TG says:

    Japan has an almost total ban on the immigration of muslims. And no islamic terror.

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  110. renfro says:
    @Philip Smeeton
    The Christian reformation made Christianity more radical not more moderate. The majority of Muslims are not moderate they support radical Islam. The terrorists are the true face of Islam, moderate Muslims are the ones that misinterpret the teachings of Mohammed. Islam teaches violent Jihad, terrorism. Every Muslim is a potential terrorist, if he believes in Allah and the teachings of Mohammed,that incite to violence against any that deviate from the fundamental doctrine. Most muslims are not terrorists but most muslims find the actions of the terrorists justified.

    ” Most muslims are not terrorists but most muslims find the actions of the terrorists justified.”

    Most Americans would find it justified if the terriers stuck to killing politicians and the Zionist cult instead of mowing down ordinary citizens.

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  111. Should a muslim ban be put in place, the US should start banning Saudi Arabia, Qatar and all the Gulf states. And as now, it is proven that the CIA and the Pentagon have been supporting with these states and Turkey all the terrorists which have destroyed Libya, Syria, Irak and the Yemen, the US should create some kind of “Nuremberg court” to judge all the american people having participate in those crimes.

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    said:
    " the US should create some kind of “Nuremberg court” to judge all the american people having participate in those crimes."

    Except the Nuremberg Show Trials were an easily debunked farce.

    Unless you believe in German homicidal steam chambers, German atomic weapons, and accept the validity "confessions" gained by the massive use of torture, just to name a few tid bits.

    I suggest you investigate Nuremberg rather than recite mandated propaganda about it.

    www.codoh.com
    www.forum.codoh.com

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  112. renfro says:
    @Avery
    { Those same cursed Islamophobic nations should also keep their decadent evil greedy psychopathic hands off muslims nations.}

    First off, there is no such thing as 'Islamophobic/Islamophobia': like all other -phobia words that are in vogue these days, so-called Islamophobia is a bogus word. There is irrational (phobia) fear of Islam. The fear of Islam by non-Muslims is very rational, based on observation of world events and behaviour of adherents to that religion in various counties of the world where they either majorities or super-majorities.

    As to Muslim nations: I am all for US not meddling in any other country's business, including Muslim ones. But how Muslim counties become Muslim?

    Middle East was entirely non-Muslim: now it is almost completely Muslim.
    How did that happen?
    Asia Minor was almost completely Christian: now it is 99%+ Muslim.
    I know how _that_ happened: over centuries Muslim invaders ethnically cleansed, forcibly Islamized, then finally exterminated the indigenous Christian civilizations (Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks).

    What were Muslim armies doing at the Gates of Vienna?

    The indigenous people of Egypt are the Copts (Christians).
    They became a minority in their own lands after the invasions of Muslim Arab hordes.

    So don't give us any lectures.

    ” The indigenous people of Egypt are the Copts (Christians).
    They became a minority in their own lands after the invasions of Muslim Arab hordes.””:

    Well someone needs to give you a lecture on real history.

    The indigenous people of Egypt weren’t “Copts’….they were Arab
    semites.

    ‘Copts’ was just the NAME applied to Egyptians who practiced Christianity.
    There is a difference between indigenous ‘people’ and indigenous religions

    Christianity wasn’t ‘indigenous’ to Egypt.

    The indigenous religion of Egypt was polytheism, or the worship of many deities, like Ra , Osiris, Isis etc.

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    The indigenous people of Egypt weren’t “Copts’….they were Arab
    semites.
     
    Hamitic not Semitic.
    Arabs did not make a major move into Egypt until 632 or so.

    And yes, the Christian Copts were in Egypt before the Muslims, by about 600 years, give or take.
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  113. Wally says:
    @Avery
    { Those same cursed Islamophobic nations should also keep their decadent evil greedy psychopathic hands off muslims nations.}

    First off, there is no such thing as 'Islamophobic/Islamophobia': like all other -phobia words that are in vogue these days, so-called Islamophobia is a bogus word. There is irrational (phobia) fear of Islam. The fear of Islam by non-Muslims is very rational, based on observation of world events and behaviour of adherents to that religion in various counties of the world where they either majorities or super-majorities.

    As to Muslim nations: I am all for US not meddling in any other country's business, including Muslim ones. But how Muslim counties become Muslim?

    Middle East was entirely non-Muslim: now it is almost completely Muslim.
    How did that happen?
    Asia Minor was almost completely Christian: now it is 99%+ Muslim.
    I know how _that_ happened: over centuries Muslim invaders ethnically cleansed, forcibly Islamized, then finally exterminated the indigenous Christian civilizations (Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks).

    What were Muslim armies doing at the Gates of Vienna?

    The indigenous people of Egypt are the Copts (Christians).
    They became a minority in their own lands after the invasions of Muslim Arab hordes.

    So don't give us any lectures.

    Indeed, The West is criticized for The Crusades, but Muslims are never criticized for seizing Christian lands which brought about The Crusades in the first place.

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  114. Wally says: • Website
    @Jean de Peyrelongue
    Should a muslim ban be put in place, the US should start banning Saudi Arabia, Qatar and all the Gulf states. And as now, it is proven that the CIA and the Pentagon have been supporting with these states and Turkey all the terrorists which have destroyed Libya, Syria, Irak and the Yemen, the US should create some kind of "Nuremberg court" to judge all the american people having participate in those crimes.

    said:
    ” the US should create some kind of “Nuremberg court” to judge all the american people having participate in those crimes.”

    Except the Nuremberg Show Trials were an easily debunked farce.

    Unless you believe in German homicidal steam chambers, German atomic weapons, and accept the validity “confessions” gained by the massive use of torture, just to name a few tid bits.

    I suggest you investigate Nuremberg rather than recite mandated propaganda about it.

    http://www.codoh.com
    http://www.forum.codoh.com

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    Whatever you may think, the Nuremberg court decisions, and the Shoah are the corner stones of the "New World Order", the new religion of the empire of chaos managed by Washington and Israel.

    This empire having brought mayhem to the middle East and Afghanistan, it would be fair to apply to those running it , their own rule which allowed them to hang many germans at the end of the WWII war.

    As we have enough proof of their guilt, we will not need to falsify the Truth as they did in Nuremberg and more recently against Irak, Libya, Syria etc...
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  115. renfro says:
    @Greg Bacon
    I'm OK with banning Muslim immigration, as long as we also ban Jews, since they have been looting Social Security for decades, without having paid one cent into the fund, then Congress has the gonads to tell those who have paid for decades into SS that, Gee, it's almost broke, so you'll have to take a cut in benefits.

    Those covered by the Lautenberg Amendment are eligible for Special Cash Assistance and for Federal Public Assistance Programs including, but not limited to, Social Security, Medicaid, Food Stamps, and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2013/06/06/the-lautenberg-amendment/
     
    There's another reason to keep out Jews, it seems they have a tendency to be sexual predators

    Howie Rubin, 62, a former Bear Stearns trader who was featured in the best-selling Michael Lewis novels “Liar’s Poker” and “The Big Short,” was accused in a $27 million lawsuit filed in Brooklyn federal court of luring women to his sex dungeon, abusing them, then trying to silence them with settlements and NDAs.

    “I’m going to rape you like I rape my daughter,” Rubin allegedly barked during one of the purported beatings.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-03/former-soros-fund-manager-sued-viciously-abusing-women
     
    So a Jewish ban would not only protect Social Security, but our American women, who Tribe members seem to have a fondness for, but it would be difficult for the X-rated video market.

    Ah, it appears we are on the same song sheet.

    Before the Lautenberg act came the Jackson-Vanik Amendment.
    In 1973 Nixon and Kissinger were trying to establish US trade rights for Russia as a way to détente, ending the very expensive Cold War and stabilizing the world through weaving “an intersecting web of interests” and cooperation between the two.

    The Jews jumped all over this as a way to get something for Jews. So they got senators Jackson and Vanik to demand a clause inserted into any dealing with Russia that demanded Russia let more Jews emigrate without having to pay a diploma fee to Russia for the free university education all Russians got. Congress approved the amendment and it eventually torpedoed Nixon and Kissingers efforts.

    Russia responded to this demand by saying the deal wasn’t worth it to them as they would not allow foreign nations to dictate their national policies.

    The Jewish interference so pissed off Kissinger that he called Jews ‘traitors’….”’“I think that the Jewish community in this country on that issue is behaving unconscionably,” Kissinger said to President Nixon It’s behaving traitorously.”

    CRS statistics indicate that over 370,000 refugees were admitted from the Former Soviet Union in the first ten years of the Lautenberg Amendment. In October 2002 the Jewish Telegraphic Agency reported that “The Lautenberg Amendment allowed some 350,000 to 400,000 Jews from the former Soviet Union to gain entry into the United States without having to prove they were individually persecuted

    Since 1972, Congress had appropriated funds to help resettle Soviet Jews in Israel with more $80 million earmarked for this purpose. The program, which was administered by the United Israel Appeal, payed for the costs of flights and other travel expenses for the refugees. The program also funded absorption centers, elderly housing, youth villages, intensive Hebrew training and efforts to provide permanent housing and jobs to immigrants once they complete the journey to Israel.

    The United States also in 1990 by approved $400 million in loan guarantees to help Israel house its newcomers.
    In 1992, Congress authorized the President to provide guarantees of loans to Israel made as a result of Israel’s extraordinary humanitarian effort to resettle and absorb immigrants. These guarantees were made available in annual increments of $2 billion over five years.

    In 2003, Congress approved $9 billion in loan guarantees over a three year period. Congress has extended the program several times and it is now authorized through the end of FY2019

    *In 1985 all loans to Israel would there after become ‘grants’.

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  116. Che Guava says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Why? Because it’s not Christian?
     
    This too. It is more complex than that. Christianity and the West are in many senses identical. The so called Judeo-Christian "thing" is baloney. New Testament was written by Greeks. The only Christian (so called) denominations which are decisively pro-Jewish and pro-Israel are overwhelmingly American (Old Testament) Evangelicals, they are also main shakers and movers for Israel's interests in US with everything rotten that goes with this. But the issue is even more complex than that, while there are many upstanding Jews who truly treasure their connection with combined West, it is an undeniable fact that many, very many, of them look at the combined West with contempt. I had several first hand experiences with that in my life, despite having many Jewish friends, some of them dear to me people, and, actually, in my high school in 1977 our whole class literally started a mutiny when our Literature Teacher (her name was Sofia Yukhnevich) who for years was "teaching" Russian Literature in the most contemptuous, denigrating manner, asked one of the girls from the class (not a stellar student admittedly but by no means dumb) during lesson to answer a question. The girl, whose second name was Churbanova (literally "of the stump, log"--no relation to Holocaust) which, of course, in slang Churban meaning dumb, failed to answer the question and this "teacher" in a front of everyone called her in most insulting form a "Russian Churban", that is Dumb Russian--at that time we all had it. Paradoxically, the Vice Principal of the school was Jewish herself but she was loved. Well, let's put it this way--that "teacher" (including after parents became aware of her "methods") was removed from teaching position. Later, she immigrated to Israel. I saw such manifestations of flaming Russophobia not for once. I also saw the same towards Americans, French, of course Germans, what have you, pretty often. So, it is an established fact that many Jews do hate or feel contempt towards the combined West. The worst, of course, are American Jews, especially those who exploit and benefit from Holocaust.

    Andrei,

    I was not wanting to commenting on this thread but ‘Judaeo-Christian thing is baloney’, i have also been saying it. Although, I am not sure of the literal meaning of ‘baloney’, am understanding the figurative.

    I have researched the term ‘Judaeo-Christian’. It is less than two centuries old. It was originally from theologians, strictly only referring to the jewish partisans in the early Church.

    Usage with the modern, and as you are saying, false meaning, is from the late 1940s, a few heretical US protestants under Zionist influence.

    It was not recorded in general political-cultural discourse until the USA in late 1980s. Did not become common there until the mid- to late 1990s, or even later.

    Evil meme, indeed.

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    A Lutheran friend always ran a big Passover Dinner at her Lutheran Church. They always invited Jews but the Jews never came. The Lutherans never objected when the local public schools banned the word Easter break and substituted spring break and scheduled the vacation week a couple weeks after Easter.

    But they kept hoping a Rabbi would preside at the Lutheran Seder. Never happened. And now various Israeli Jewish scholars claim that the entire exile into Egypt and slavery and oppression in Egypt and Moses and the flight from Egypt never happened.

    First time I heard the term Judeo Christian was when the Jewish commie early feminazis began talking about the oppression of women under Judeo Christian Patriarchy. I had to laugh at their lies but they won their war against western and Christian civilization.
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  117. LauraMR says:
    @Haxo Angmark
    a ban on Zionists is logical, moral, even libertarian.

    A Zionist ban is as impractical and irrational as a Muslim one… as would be a ban on Democrats or Tarzan’s fans.

    Consider how easy it would be to circumvent.

    - Have you ever been a fan of Tarzan?

    - Nope.

    - What a relief, please do come in, here are the keys to the house.

    A Muslim ban is, in fact, illogical, immoral, and unethical… as well as impractical and irrational.

    Besides which it accomplishes nothing but to naively confess the (otherwise untrue) utter dearth of capacity on our side, meaning, that the only solution we could possibly imagine would be the final solution. Which is absurd. We can do better, much better. And we are, as a matter of fact, doing much better. Despite all the mistakes and, indeed, as proven by the many mistakes.

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  118. renfro says:
    @tjm
    Please don't lump in Christ with your malignant vial Zionism.

    It is through manipulation and conditioning, that the Zionist has manipulated Christians to do their evil bidding.

    If you value lust above love its a short step to assaulting women who don’t want your lust…ask Harvey.

    http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/No-Holds-Barred-Jewish-lust-versus-Christian-love

    No Holds Barred: Jewish lust versus Christian love
    By Shmuley Boteach
    December 17, 2012 21:20

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    Interestingly, whereas Christianity believes that marriages should be based on love and friendship, Judaism believes they should be based on lust and desire.

    Judaism never posits a G-d that is so monolithic as to be described as love. Do you really want a G-d who is all love when it comes to punishing the Nazis for cremating children? Do you want a G-d who is all love when it comes to stopping an al-Qaida terrorist from planting a bomb that will blow up an airplane? Or do you want, at that moment, a just G-d who will cause that terrorist to have a car accident on the way to the plane so he can’t plant his bomb.

    G-d is not love. Rather, He is utterly beyond any emotion or description. At times He is loving and at times He is jealous and punitive, as when he punishes the Egyptians at sea for enslaving and slaughtering an innocent nation. It was Paul of Tarsus, in the New Testament, who famously said, “Love is patient, love is kind… Love never fails” (1 Corinthians 13:4-8). What an excellent description of the virtue of love – and its limitations! This is the perfect description of love as companionship and friendship. And if anyone wants to have a romantic relationship based on these warm and cuddly attributes, that’s fine. But while love is warm, lust is passionate. While love seeks to share, lust seeks to acquire. While love can be satisfied, lust is utterly insatiable. The average wife today may feel loved. But what she really wants is to feel desired, which explains why women are reading Fifty Shades of Grey in their millions. Wives want the erotic experience of lust but they’re mostly not finding it in their marriages.

    While Christianity posits love as the foundation of a relationship, Judaism has always emphasized desire in its place. The principal reason for the breakdown of marriages and relationships is that in modern times they are built not on lust but love. Several times a week I counsel couples in crisis. They come with the usual panoply of issues that surround broken marriages: an absence of communication, lack of intimacy, fighting below the belt, financial pressures, and responsibilities of child-rearing that have overtaken their lives. But underlying all these problems is the elephant in the room: a loss of desire. They love each other, but they no longer long for each other. Their marriages are now built on the softer, more comfortable emotion of love rather than passionate, more explosive and nuclear bond of lust.

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  119. While I’m no fan of Marx, I do believe some of the things he wrote may have some relevance here.

    Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew.
    What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money.
    Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Judaism, would be the self-emancipation of our time.

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    An organization of society which would abolish the preconditions for huckstering, and therefore the possibility of huckstering, would make the Jew impossible. His religious consciousness would be dissipated like a thin haze in the real, vital air of society. On the other hand, if the Jew recognizes that this practical nature of his is futile and works to abolish it, he extricates himself from his previous development and works for human emancipation as such and turns against the supreme practical expression of human self-estrangement.
    We recognize in Judaism, therefore, a general anti-social element of the present time, an element which through historical development – to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed – has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily begin to disintegrate.
    In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Judaism.
    The Jew has already emancipated himself in a Jewish way.
    “The Jew, who in Vienna, for example, is only tolerated, determines the fate of the whole Empire by his financial power. The Jew, who may have no rights in the smallest German state, decides the fate of Europe. While corporations and guilds refuse to admit Jews, or have not yet adopted a favorable attitude towards them, the audacity of industry mocks at the obstinacy of the material institutions.” (Bruno Bauer, The Jewish Question, p. 114)
    This is no isolated fact. The Jew has emancipated himself in a Jewish manner, not only because he has acquired financial power, but also because, through him and also apart from him, money has become a world power and the practical Jewish spirit has become the practical spirit of the Christian nations. The Jews have emancipated themselves insofar as the Christians have become Jews.

    -Karl Marx, On The Jewish Question, First Published: February, 1844 in Deutsch-Französische Jahrbücher; https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/

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  120. but ‘Judaeo-Christian thing is baloney’, i have also been saying it. Although, I am not sure of the literal meaning of ‘baloney’, am understanding the figurative.

    The word is used as a polite way of saying “bullshit” which is a crude way of saying that something is worthless garbage.

    “Baloney” is from “bologna” which is a sausage typically made from otherwise nearly inedible animal products plus various fillers and artificial coloring and what not.

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  121. Rurik says:

    A Muslim ban is, in fact, illogical, immoral, and unethical… as well as impractical and irrational.

    you’re right

    we need to ban all foreigners from immigrating to this country until we have assimilated the ones that are here, and sent back the ones who don’t want to assimilate

    that would be logical, moral, ethical. practical and rational

    indeed, it would be immoral, unethical, impractical and irrational to pretend that all these millions of (often hostile) foreigners from every corner of the planet should be allowed to continue to pour in.

    That is insane and unsustainable and will destroy the already frayed fabric of this nation.

    We’re rapidly heading to the point where the divide between the deplorables

    vs.

    the Antifa, BLM, La Raza, LGBT, Chucky Shumer, Hillary, Radical Islam, SPLC, ADL, ((media)), shitlibs and all the other butt hurts who hate white America with every butt-hurt breath they take…

    is going to become a shooting war, rather than just a simmering hate-fest

    Indeed, I wonder if the mass-murderer at Las Vegas wasn’t targeting the deplorables specifically out of hatred for Trump and his (presumed, country music type) supporters, but is being spun by the authorities as something else, in order to prevent Las Vegas from being the spark that lights the actual shooting war..

    just imagine if that was actually done by an immigrant or a shitlib, who wanted revenge on those deplorables for voting for a wall. Just imagine how people would respond to that.. on both sides.

    the immigrants (just like the Bernie supporters and Hillary supporters, ad infinitum) have been indoctrinated to believe that coming to the US and getting their EBT cards is something they’re entitled to

    and that only an irredeemable racist (Adolf Hitler, Robert E. Lee, Donald Trump, Himmler, Joe the Plumber, et al) could possibly object

    so if they decided to shoot some racists, well then who’s going to condemn that? Right?

    they are racists after all, and so clearly they deserve to die, no?

    but if you ask your typical Trump voter if they’re going to tolerate seeing their children shot at concerts by immigrants or their champions, who believe they have every right to march into this country and claim it as their own, (as they often do) well then we’re going to have some right nasty conflicts around here, (and right soon) aren’t we?

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    we need to ban all foreigners from immigrating to this country until we have assimilated the ones that are here, and sent back the ones who don’t want to assimilate

    that would be logical, moral, ethical. practical and rational

    indeed, it would be immoral, unethical, impractical and irrational to pretend that all these millions of (often hostile) foreigners from every corner of the planet should be allowed to continue to pour in.

    That is insane and unsustainable and will destroy the already frayed fabric of this nation.

    -- Rurik
     

    I don't know, Rurik, about the shooting war between us 'deplorables' and ... what do I call them? .... the idiots, I guess.

    Anyway, here's a practical and rational suggestion to put forward as part of a legislative pro gram to be enactrd by Congress.in order to reform our politic and restore our national greatness --

    In future all legal immigration shall be authorized by acts of Congress which shall identify persons to be admitted into the USA individually by name. all of whom shall be additionally identified by finger printing and/or DNA identification. Foreigners whether residents or not, if wanting to become citizens shall apply to member(s) of Congress. If member(s) of Congress approve of such person(s), then they may sponsor them by including them in an act of Congress.

    In that way, members of Congress can be held responsible.

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  122. MEexpert says:

    I looked for Ilana Mercer’s qualifications in general and about her knowledge of Islam, in particular. Her only qualifications are that she is a Jew. If you are Jew, you almost have an automatic path to being a columnist, especially, if you are writing to bash Muslims.

    Her present diatribe against Islam is pathetic since she does not know a thing about the religion. After 9/11, every Tom, Dick, and Mercer has become an expert on Islam.

    Jihad is a pillar of faith. That faith is Islam.

    Yes, Jihad is a pillar of faith but Mercer needs to understand what Jihad is. If tomorrow a Muslims goes out and kills a non-Muslim and also remembers to shout “Allahu Akbar,” it does not make it Jihad. There are strict conditions to wage jihad and not every Tom, Dick, and Harry can declare jihad. Just because Osama bin Laden, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, or Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi want to carry out their Master’s orders and start killing people, they have no authority to declare Jihad.

    9/11 was a false flag operation to carry out and fulfil the “greater Israel” dream. Since then, all the attacks on the western countries have been by the lone wolves recruited and trained by the FBI/CIA/Mossad organizations.

    She claims that , the fact that there are moderate Muslims does not mean there is a moderate Islam. Sher has it totally backwards. She must understand that the fact that there are radical Muslims does not mean that there is a radical Islam. Islam is a very moderate religion, if only people would learn it properly. She should stop learning Islam from Pamella Gellers, Robert Spencers, and Daniel Pipes of America.

    Islam is a religion of piece and no distortion of Mercers of the world will make it anything else. In simple terms, Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means submitting one’s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt), (and not to the will of Osama bin Laden or Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi).

    Here is a better definition of Islam as told by Ali ibn Abi Talib, the cousin of the Prophet.
    “Islam is submission, submission is conviction, conviction is affirmation, affirmation is acknowledgement, acknowledgement is performance of obligations, and the performance of obligations is good deeds.”

    Hence, Islam is more than just a belief: it is belief and good deeds.

    People like Mercer only want to hang to the interpretation of Islam that suits their prejudices or they will take the verses out of context and claim that Islam is violent religion. Here is what Quran says:

    Moderate Islam: “Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious. (Qur’an Chapter 16 – Verse 125)

    “Let there be no compulsion in religion (Qur’an Chapter 2 – Verse 256)

    Tolerant Islam: (Qur’an Chapter 109 – Verses 1 – 6)
    Say: “Oh, you who disbelieve!
    “I do not worship that which you worship,
    “Nor do you worship That Which I worship.
    “Nor will I worship that which you have been worshipping,
    “Neither will you worship That Which I worship.
    “To you your religion and to me mine.”

    The problem in America is not the Muslim immigration. The problem is the Jewish/Zionist ideology and money that controls all aspects of the United States. With the parasite state of Israel wanting to control the entire Middle East using its puppets in the United States to achieve its goals, we have nothing but chaos in the world.

    There was no violence, as we see today, before 1948 when the state of Israel was created. Then it was the Jewish/zionizt terrorism carried out by the likes of David Ben Gurion, Menachem Begin, and Yitzhak Shamir.

    Has anyone heard of an attack by Al-Qaeda, ISIS, or any of its offshoots on the state of Israel? No, because these terrorist group were created and are supported by the state of Israel.

    Journalist Rober Fisk of Independent gave an example of selective reading ( a practice common to the neocon/Jewish media):

    One of Isis’s favourite Islamic texts shows how while the Prophet is quoted as saying “when you kill, kill well, and when you slaughter, slaughter well” – in Arabic, darb al-rekab, hitting the neck – “Isis seemingly forgets that the Prophet adds ‘Let each of you sharpen your blade and let him spare the suffering of the animal he slaughters’. In other words [the Prophet] was talking about sheep and cattle – not human beings.”

    A good source for learning about Islam and Its social, economic, and governing system is available on line: http://www.duas.org/pdfs/Nahjul-Balagha.pdf

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    Islam is a very moderate religion, if only people would learn it properly
     
    LOL. So, you are an "expert". Face palm. If it is so moderate, why its history is so bloody, ah?
    , @jacques sheete
    Hey, if Ms Mercer doesn't like it here because of Muslims, maybe she could just return to SA. Apparently Muslims, a tiny minority, are not a problem there, and they know how to deal with "terrorists."

    South Africa’s Muslims are an example to all
    Although the small Muslim community is well-integrated in Cape Town, Isil recruiters are being dragged from the city.
     
    https://www.thenational.ae/opinion/south-africa-s-muslims-are-an-example-to-all-1.119365
    , @66 Years Old Muslim
    A good source for learning about Islam and Its social, economic, and governing system is available on line: http://www.duas.org/pdfs/Nahjul-Balagha.pdf

    Nahuatl-Balagha is second only to The Holy Quran. Not every Muslim has read the Nahuatl-Balagha, not even every Shia Muslim.

    Of course, Islam stories differ from the Bible. The central and recurring theme of The Quran is human being is an, "Oppressor". God tells Adam not to go near the tree, least he become an Oppressor. The tree had no significance, and Adam used his Free Will. No biggie either.....

    Quran tells us that, "Oppression and Sedition on Earth is worse than .......". The question beget is how many Muslims have read the complete Quran. It is like how many Christians have read the Bible. If they had then there is no way they can reconcile between the Seditious God of Old Testament and Loving God of New Testament.

    Two conflicting Gods........

    A good book to read is, "The Children of the Alley" by Naguib Mahfouz, a Noble Literate, who was killed by his fellow Egyptian for supposedly blasphemy. Yes, every time a good man came from God who brought the Children back as Owners of Alley, the thugs took over the Children upon the Good man's death. Moses (pbuh) had to suffer 40 years from the thugs. Quran is very clear that these thugs were "Cow Worshipers"


    The Christians had to suffer from thugs on the demise of Jesus (pbuh), and of course Mohammad (pbuh) was no exception. All the rights given to a regular Joe and Jane, were taken away within 2 months of Mohammad's death....
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  123. @MEexpert
    I looked for Ilana Mercer’s qualifications in general and about her knowledge of Islam, in particular. Her only qualifications are that she is a Jew. If you are Jew, you almost have an automatic path to being a columnist, especially, if you are writing to bash Muslims.

    Her present diatribe against Islam is pathetic since she does not know a thing about the religion. After 9/11, every Tom, Dick, and Mercer has become an expert on Islam.

    Jihad is a pillar of faith. That faith is Islam.

     

    Yes, Jihad is a pillar of faith but Mercer needs to understand what Jihad is. If tomorrow a Muslims goes out and kills a non-Muslim and also remembers to shout “Allahu Akbar,” it does not make it Jihad. There are strict conditions to wage jihad and not every Tom, Dick, and Harry can declare jihad. Just because Osama bin Laden, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, or Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi want to carry out their Master’s orders and start killing people, they have no authority to declare Jihad.

    9/11 was a false flag operation to carry out and fulfil the “greater Israel” dream. Since then, all the attacks on the western countries have been by the lone wolves recruited and trained by the FBI/CIA/Mossad organizations.

    She claims that , the fact that there are moderate Muslims does not mean there is a moderate Islam. Sher has it totally backwards. She must understand that the fact that there are radical Muslims does not mean that there is a radical Islam. Islam is a very moderate religion, if only people would learn it properly. She should stop learning Islam from Pamella Gellers, Robert Spencers, and Daniel Pipes of America.

    Islam is a religion of piece and no distortion of Mercers of the world will make it anything else. In simple terms, Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means submitting one’s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt), (and not to the will of Osama bin Laden or Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi).

    Here is a better definition of Islam as told by Ali ibn Abi Talib, the cousin of the Prophet.
    “Islam is submission, submission is conviction, conviction is affirmation, affirmation is acknowledgement, acknowledgement is performance of obligations, and the performance of obligations is good deeds.”

    Hence, Islam is more than just a belief: it is belief and good deeds.

    People like Mercer only want to hang to the interpretation of Islam that suits their prejudices or they will take the verses out of context and claim that Islam is violent religion. Here is what Quran says:

    Moderate Islam: "Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious. (Qur’an Chapter 16 – Verse 125)

    "Let there be no compulsion in religion (Qur’an Chapter 2 – Verse 256)

    Tolerant Islam: (Qur'an Chapter 109 - Verses 1 - 6)
    Say: "Oh, you who disbelieve!
    "I do not worship that which you worship,
    "Nor do you worship That Which I worship.
    "Nor will I worship that which you have been worshipping,
    "Neither will you worship That Which I worship.
    "To you your religion and to me mine."

    The problem in America is not the Muslim immigration. The problem is the Jewish/Zionist ideology and money that controls all aspects of the United States. With the parasite state of Israel wanting to control the entire Middle East using its puppets in the United States to achieve its goals, we have nothing but chaos in the world.

    There was no violence, as we see today, before 1948 when the state of Israel was created. Then it was the Jewish/zionizt terrorism carried out by the likes of David Ben Gurion, Menachem Begin, and Yitzhak Shamir.

    Has anyone heard of an attack by Al-Qaeda, ISIS, or any of its offshoots on the state of Israel? No, because these terrorist group were created and are supported by the state of Israel.

    Journalist Rober Fisk of Independent gave an example of selective reading ( a practice common to the neocon/Jewish media):

    One of Isis’s favourite Islamic texts shows how while the Prophet is quoted as saying “when you kill, kill well, and when you slaughter, slaughter well” – in Arabic, darb al-rekab, hitting the neck – “Isis seemingly forgets that the Prophet adds ‘Let each of you sharpen your blade and let him spare the suffering of the animal he slaughters’. In other words [the Prophet] was talking about sheep and cattle – not human beings.”

     

    A good source for learning about Islam and Its social, economic, and governing system is available on line: http://www.duas.org/pdfs/Nahjul-Balagha.pdf

    Islam is a very moderate religion, if only people would learn it properly

    LOL. So, you are an “expert”. Face palm. If it is so moderate, why its history is so bloody, ah?

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    You don't blame Judaism for Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians. Neither do you blame Christianity for the wars, destruction, and mayhem caused by the US/UK/France around the world, especially in the Muslim world. So why blame Islam for the actions of a few misguided radicals. For your information, the history of Judaism and Christianity is no less bloody.
    , @CalDre

    If it is so moderate, why its history is so bloody, ah?
     
    So you're the expert? Whose history isn't bloody? Didn't the Brits murder about a billion (rounded) innocents? How many wars has Europe seen in the last 1,000 years? Or Africa? Or Asia?

    And who attacked whom to start the whole current mess? Who placed the Israeli cancer in the Middle East? Who kept expanding this cancerous growth for decades? Who funded, trained and armed the most radical people in the Middle East to fight the Soviet Union (Afghanistan), the Russian Federation (Chechnya), Assad (Syria), Qaddafi (Libya)?

    Any group of people can be radicalized. It wouldn't take much to have Israeli Jews murdering each other. Or to start a race war in the US. There are people everywhere willing to kill when they are made angry, and the West has been stirring the pot for over a century. If Muslims had done to the West over the last 100 years what the West has done to ME, since the collapse and dissection of the Ottoman Empire, no doubt people like you would be screaming to kill every Muslim there is. As it stands scum POS like the ZioNazi who wrote this article have enough hate even though if we look at kill ratio, the West is beating the Muslims over 100-to-1. But they're the bad guys. Look in the mirror, Beast Worshipper.
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  124. Let’s just ban all types of mites!

    Ear mites, dust mites, termites and semites just to begin with. All are a pox on humanity. Let me be the first to proudly wear the tile Anti-mite.

    Sentricon should try to figure out an appropriate pesticide for semites and we can place them around area mosques, synagogues and corporate media headquarters.

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  125. @MEexpert
    I looked for Ilana Mercer’s qualifications in general and about her knowledge of Islam, in particular. Her only qualifications are that she is a Jew. If you are Jew, you almost have an automatic path to being a columnist, especially, if you are writing to bash Muslims.

    Her present diatribe against Islam is pathetic since she does not know a thing about the religion. After 9/11, every Tom, Dick, and Mercer has become an expert on Islam.

    Jihad is a pillar of faith. That faith is Islam.

     

    Yes, Jihad is a pillar of faith but Mercer needs to understand what Jihad is. If tomorrow a Muslims goes out and kills a non-Muslim and also remembers to shout “Allahu Akbar,” it does not make it Jihad. There are strict conditions to wage jihad and not every Tom, Dick, and Harry can declare jihad. Just because Osama bin Laden, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, or Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi want to carry out their Master’s orders and start killing people, they have no authority to declare Jihad.

    9/11 was a false flag operation to carry out and fulfil the “greater Israel” dream. Since then, all the attacks on the western countries have been by the lone wolves recruited and trained by the FBI/CIA/Mossad organizations.

    She claims that , the fact that there are moderate Muslims does not mean there is a moderate Islam. Sher has it totally backwards. She must understand that the fact that there are radical Muslims does not mean that there is a radical Islam. Islam is a very moderate religion, if only people would learn it properly. She should stop learning Islam from Pamella Gellers, Robert Spencers, and Daniel Pipes of America.

    Islam is a religion of piece and no distortion of Mercers of the world will make it anything else. In simple terms, Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means submitting one’s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt), (and not to the will of Osama bin Laden or Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi).

    Here is a better definition of Islam as told by Ali ibn Abi Talib, the cousin of the Prophet.
    “Islam is submission, submission is conviction, conviction is affirmation, affirmation is acknowledgement, acknowledgement is performance of obligations, and the performance of obligations is good deeds.”

    Hence, Islam is more than just a belief: it is belief and good deeds.

    People like Mercer only want to hang to the interpretation of Islam that suits their prejudices or they will take the verses out of context and claim that Islam is violent religion. Here is what Quran says:

    Moderate Islam: "Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious. (Qur’an Chapter 16 – Verse 125)

    "Let there be no compulsion in religion (Qur’an Chapter 2 – Verse 256)

    Tolerant Islam: (Qur'an Chapter 109 - Verses 1 - 6)
    Say: "Oh, you who disbelieve!
    "I do not worship that which you worship,
    "Nor do you worship That Which I worship.
    "Nor will I worship that which you have been worshipping,
    "Neither will you worship That Which I worship.
    "To you your religion and to me mine."

    The problem in America is not the Muslim immigration. The problem is the Jewish/Zionist ideology and money that controls all aspects of the United States. With the parasite state of Israel wanting to control the entire Middle East using its puppets in the United States to achieve its goals, we have nothing but chaos in the world.

    There was no violence, as we see today, before 1948 when the state of Israel was created. Then it was the Jewish/zionizt terrorism carried out by the likes of David Ben Gurion, Menachem Begin, and Yitzhak Shamir.

    Has anyone heard of an attack by Al-Qaeda, ISIS, or any of its offshoots on the state of Israel? No, because these terrorist group were created and are supported by the state of Israel.

    Journalist Rober Fisk of Independent gave an example of selective reading ( a practice common to the neocon/Jewish media):

    One of Isis’s favourite Islamic texts shows how while the Prophet is quoted as saying “when you kill, kill well, and when you slaughter, slaughter well” – in Arabic, darb al-rekab, hitting the neck – “Isis seemingly forgets that the Prophet adds ‘Let each of you sharpen your blade and let him spare the suffering of the animal he slaughters’. In other words [the Prophet] was talking about sheep and cattle – not human beings.”

     

    A good source for learning about Islam and Its social, economic, and governing system is available on line: http://www.duas.org/pdfs/Nahjul-Balagha.pdf

    Hey, if Ms Mercer doesn’t like it here because of Muslims, maybe she could just return to SA. Apparently Muslims, a tiny minority, are not a problem there, and they know how to deal with “terrorists.”

    South Africa’s Muslims are an example to all
    Although the small Muslim community is well-integrated in Cape Town, Isil recruiters are being dragged from the city.

    https://www.thenational.ae/opinion/south-africa-s-muslims-are-an-example-to-all-1.119365

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  126. MEexpert says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Islam is a very moderate religion, if only people would learn it properly
     
    LOL. So, you are an "expert". Face palm. If it is so moderate, why its history is so bloody, ah?

    You don’t blame Judaism for Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians. Neither do you blame Christianity for the wars, destruction, and mayhem caused by the US/UK/France around the world, especially in the Muslim world. So why blame Islam for the actions of a few misguided radicals. For your information, the history of Judaism and Christianity is no less bloody.

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    The last Christian who held the office of US President limited his military adventurism to a failed hostage rescue in Iran.

    Every president since has been an atheist who worshiped self and power.
    , @KenH

    You don’t blame Judaism for Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians.
     
    I do. I recall some Rabbis celebrating when Israeli Jew Baruch Goldstein mercilessly shot 29 unarmed Muslims praying at mosque in Hebron. There have been other cases.

    Neither do you blame Christianity for the wars, destruction, and mayhem caused by the US/UK/France around the world, especially in the Muslim world.
     
    That's because Christian religious fervor isn't the driving force behind these wars. Jewish power is and you've even admitted as much in many of your postings on Unz. It was the black nationalist and Muslim sympathizing Hussein Obama, not the "Christian" George W Bush, who resorted to the unrestrained use of drone strikes in Muslim nations leading to an undetermined death toll of noncombatants. Muslim nations Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, UAE have helped enable the chaos, destruction and mayhem engulfing the region by supporting terrorist groups and insurgents.

    For your information, the history of Judaism and Christianity is no less bloody.
     
    True, except we're not talking about 300-400 or 1000 years ago. The bloodletting of Christian religious wars never adversely affected Muslims. And Christian men didn't run off like yellow bellied cowards to Muslim lands and sexually assault Muslim women and periodically murder Muslims on flimsy religious pretexts.
    , @Alden
    "You don’t blame Judaism for Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians."

    So what else is to blame?
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  127. wayfarer says:

    Between “God” and Earth, there exists this.

    “Kornreich used a very rough estimate of 10 trillion galaxies in the universe. Multiplying that by the Milky Way’s estimated 100 billion stars results in a large number indeed: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars, or a “1″ with 24 zeros after it.”

    source: https://www.space.com/26078-how-many-stars-are-there.html

    So it’s not quite as simple as, “Allah Akbar!”

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    So it's not quite as simple as, “Allah Akbar!” or “the Promised Land!” or “accept Jesus, forever forgiven!”

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  128. If it is so moderate, why its history is so bloody, ah?

    Because humans. Ah?

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  129. Zumbuddi says:
    @Sample
    The real question that needs debating is
    "
    Is Islam really a religion,

    A religion does not call for the extermination of other religions

    The idea that was most important to Abraham was that HE discovered the One right god, and that it was necessary to correct everyone else’s thinking, or to punish even kill anyone who failed to get on board.

    Exterminationism is baked in the Abrahamic cake.

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  130. wayfarer says:
    @wayfarer
    Between “God” and Earth, there exists this.

    “Kornreich used a very rough estimate of 10 trillion galaxies in the universe. Multiplying that by the Milky Way's estimated 100 billion stars results in a large number indeed: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars, or a "1" with 24 zeros after it.”

    source: https://www.space.com/26078-how-many-stars-are-there.html

    So it's not quite as simple as, “Allah Akbar!”

    http://media.techeblog.com/images/time-travel-reality.jpg

    Edit the previous post:

    So it’s not quite as simple as, “Allah Akbar!” or “the Promised Land!” or “accept Jesus, forever forgiven!”

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  131. alfie0077 says:

    The only difference between Muslim and Catholic is the continent they destroy…….60 million … ILLEGAL ALIEN CATHOLIC INVADERS get freeeeeeee health care!…There are more than 500 ‘sanctuary’ cities in the USA now….. ‘sanctuary’ is CATHOLIC…… The only difference between Muslim and Catholic is the continent they destroy…… Just try to find a successful Muslim or Catholic nation,a third there are none…….Remember why you voted for Trump!!!!!! Vote for ANY Catholic and you vote for a traitor. NO Catholic is an American!!!!! They are CATHOLICS. vote for ANY Catholic and you vote for a traitor.

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  132. renfro says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
    Most Jews would say that was then, this is now. A exception might be the Haredi.

    Most Moslems think the bloodthirsty conquest verses of the Koran are as applicable today as they were in the 7th Century.

    Every Moslem is one reading of the Koran away from being a terrorist.

    Most Jews would oppose this suggestion because they fear that they would be next.

    ” Most Jews would oppose this suggestion because they fear that they would be next.”

    I doubt they consider that.
    They follow the tribe and the narcissism of the tribe prevents them from learning.
    They’ve had the same modus operandi for 2000 years.

    A Jewish writer who’s name I forget wrote….”we are incapable of looking through the others eyes and seeing when they have had enough of us”.

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  133. CalDre says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    Islam is a very moderate religion, if only people would learn it properly
     
    LOL. So, you are an "expert". Face palm. If it is so moderate, why its history is so bloody, ah?

    If it is so moderate, why its history is so bloody, ah?

    So you’re the expert? Whose history isn’t bloody? Didn’t the Brits murder about a billion (rounded) innocents? How many wars has Europe seen in the last 1,000 years? Or Africa? Or Asia?

    And who attacked whom to start the whole current mess? Who placed the Israeli cancer in the Middle East? Who kept expanding this cancerous growth for decades? Who funded, trained and armed the most radical people in the Middle East to fight the Soviet Union (Afghanistan), the Russian Federation (Chechnya), Assad (Syria), Qaddafi (Libya)?

    Any group of people can be radicalized. It wouldn’t take much to have Israeli Jews murdering each other. Or to start a race war in the US. There are people everywhere willing to kill when they are made angry, and the West has been stirring the pot for over a century. If Muslims had done to the West over the last 100 years what the West has done to ME, since the collapse and dissection of the Ottoman Empire, no doubt people like you would be screaming to kill every Muslim there is. As it stands scum POS like the ZioNazi who wrote this article have enough hate even though if we look at kill ratio, the West is beating the Muslims over 100-to-1. But they’re the bad guys. Look in the mirror, Beast Worshipper.

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  134. KenH says:

    Who cares whether a Muslim ban passes the libertarian litmus test? That should be the least of our concerns. Since most libertarians have a strictly economic and material outlook on life they probably think that ISIS arose because of high inflation and economic hardship in Iraq and that they just want honest money and freely flowing goods and services.

    The main question for a sane white person with healthy racial instincts is, is continued Muslim immigration into the West in the interests of white people? Is it good or bad for the white race?

    The answer is obvious.

    According to reports this Uzbeki Muslim terrorist became radicalized after he arrived in the U.S. which means the “extreme vetting” Trump’s been tweet storming about would be absolutely worthless and not prevent any terrorist attacks. But I’m sure this lesson is lost on the blowhard billionaire and his feckless entourage. It also means Muslims don’t magically become “Americanized” and “de-radicalized” by eating American junk food and watching stupid and soulless television shows and movies.

    The doctrines of the Islamic religion are the problem. Each side can hurl quotations from the Koran and other Islamic texts back and forth to prove their case but the fact remains that some, quite possibly more than some, Muslims do interpret the Koran as providing a religious framework for perpetual warfare against infidels/non-Muslims. And that will never change despite the soothsaying and assurances of “moderate” Muslims and ignorant, treasonous and politically correct Western elites and pundits.

    There’s many stories of religiously indifferent Muslims morphing into stark raving jihadists within days or even a 24hr period.

    You don’t read any stories about Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists and Shintoists becoming radicalized on a whim by their religious texts or by coreligionists and I don’t think the latter four belong in Western nations either. These groups have their own nations as do Muslims. Whites don’t.

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    Being a hateful person has its advantages as you don't have to think about things. You just let your irrational side of the brain take control and run the ship.

    Every, and I mean every, culture, ideology, whatever has radicals that kill others. We just saw it in a Texas Church. Was that guy Muslim? I don't think so.

    The number of radicals in any group increases as the amount of attacks they sustain increases. Muslims have been under attack by the West, ceaselessly, since the West destroyed the quite stable Ottoman Empire to make room for Israel to dominate the world.

    Granted I agree that Muslims shouldn't mass immigrate to the US, any more than I think Whites should mass immigrate to the ME. To each his own. But the problem is that the "West", under globalist/Zionist tutelage, has been mass immigrating to the ME - but with guns, bombs and tanks rather than for trade and friendship. And this has radicalized many people. Now every person who is mad and angry seeks to justify their anger and hatred and find some justification for it. Since in the ME Muslim is the dominant ideology, they look for it in there. And they can find it - just like Christians can find rationales to destroy ME countries and murder 100,000s in the ME for no reason in their books. Indeed Evangelicals are the biggest proponents of mass murder in the ME.

    So stay objective. People who are attacked will fight back, regardless of their ideology - the pacifists were annihilated (largely by Christian Whites) long ago.
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  135. @renfro
    '' The indigenous people of Egypt are the Copts (Christians).
    They became a minority in their own lands after the invasions of Muslim Arab hordes."":


    Well someone needs to give you a lecture on real history.

    The indigenous people of Egypt weren't "Copts'....they were Arab
    semites.

    'Copts' was just the NAME applied to Egyptians who practiced Christianity.
    There is a difference between indigenous 'people' and indigenous religions

    Christianity wasn't 'indigenous' to Egypt.

    The indigenous religion of Egypt was polytheism, or the worship of many deities, like Ra , Osiris, Isis etc.

    The indigenous people of Egypt weren’t “Copts’….they were Arab
    semites.

    Hamitic not Semitic.
    Arabs did not make a major move into Egypt until 632 or so.

    And yes, the Christian Copts were in Egypt before the Muslims, by about 600 years, give or take.

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    [renfro]:{Well someone needs to give you a lecture on real history.}

    [Chris Mallory]: {Hamitic not Semitic.}

    Yo, [renfro]: I guess somebody _did_ give me a lecture on real history.
    Were you attending that same lecture by any chance?
    Maybe _you_ need a lecture on real history, homes.
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  136. @MEexpert
    You don't blame Judaism for Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians. Neither do you blame Christianity for the wars, destruction, and mayhem caused by the US/UK/France around the world, especially in the Muslim world. So why blame Islam for the actions of a few misguided radicals. For your information, the history of Judaism and Christianity is no less bloody.

    The last Christian who held the office of US President limited his military adventurism to a failed hostage rescue in Iran.

    Every president since has been an atheist who worshiped self and power.

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    Every president since has been an atheist who worshiped self and power.
     
    You forgot George (God told me) W. Bush, the born again Christian president.
    , @66 Years Old Muslim
    The last Christian who held the office of US President limited his military adventurism to a failed hostage rescue in Iran.

    Every president since has been an atheist who worshiped self and power.

    He is the one responsible for all these evils. Afghanistan was a secular country and by bleeding the Russians, he created One Super Power. No balance anymore between Good and Evil.....

    Read the History well....

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  137. Ace says:
    @jacques sheete

    A damn fine piece let it be said.
     
    I suppose it is if all one wants to do is read a dolt's rant. All claims, no proof.

    Most 6th graders write better even if this is probably UR's attempt to add a little Onion.

    “All claims, no proof” is a bit on the vague side, Jacques. Any specific point you’d care to highlight as being vague? Just one will be fine. Feel free to point out any poor writing too, if you’ve got time.

    Or is it simply “It/she’s awful.”

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  138. @hyperbola
    Wars for the benefit of which racist-supremacist, mideast sect produce refugees in Europe?

    The Weaponisation of the Refugee | Dissident Voice
    Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism's War on Europe (Part 2 of an 11 Part Series)
    https://dissidentvoice.org/2016/01/the-weaponisation-of-the-refugee/
    Artificial mass migration as imperial policy has a long history......

    Rothschild's “Slaughter Ships” | Dissident Voice
    Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism's War on Europe (Part 4 of an 11 Part Series)
    https://dissidentvoice.org/2016/01/rothschilds-slaughter-ships/


    Who is shanghaied into fighting the wars for the racist-supremacist, mideast sect that produce the refugees?
    “Greater Israel”: The Zionist Plan for the Middle East | Global Research
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east/5324815

    The Unfolding of Yinon’s “Zionist Plan for the Middle East”: The Crisis in Iraq and the Centrality of the National Interest of Israel
    http://america-hijacked.com/2014/07/13/the-unfolding-of-yinons-zionist-plan-for-the-middle-east-the-crisis-in-iraq-and-the-centrality-of-the-national-interest-of-israel/

    Yinon, PNAC and the Zionist / US / NATO Project to Destroy Syria
    https://www.peakprosperity.com/forum/108434/yinon-pnac-and-zionist-us-nato-project-destroy-syria

    hyoerbola,

    You’ve done it again: compiled another great list of generally related great links!

    Thanks!

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  139. MEexpert says:
    @Chris Mallory
    The last Christian who held the office of US President limited his military adventurism to a failed hostage rescue in Iran.

    Every president since has been an atheist who worshiped self and power.

    Every president since has been an atheist who worshiped self and power.

    You forgot George (God told me) W. Bush, the born again Christian president.

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    {You forgot George (God told me) W. Bush, the born again Christian president.}

    In name only.

    Gee Dubya is no Christian, not in any meaningful sense of the word.
    He was/is a dim-wit man-child that spouted all sorts of 'gems', without understanding what they mean.

    The Bush, & Cheney, & Blair anti-Christian gang are responsible for destroying one of the oldest continuous Christian communities in the world that traces its roots to biblical times: Iraqi Christians.

    These Godless reptiles* go halfway around the world to maim, kill, and murder innocent civilians then joke about it:

    [George W. Bush - jokes about weapons of mass destruction ]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5YgJx8VGRA


    _______

    * in reference to the old TV series "V", where aliens had the appearance of humans, but underneath were lizards of some sort.

    , @Chris Mallory

    You forgot George (God told me) W. Bush, the born again Christian president.
     
    By their fruits you shall know them. W's fruits were war, death, destruction, and lies. Satan is the Father of Lies. The Truth was not in W.
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  140. @Wally
    said:
    " the US should create some kind of “Nuremberg court” to judge all the american people having participate in those crimes."

    Except the Nuremberg Show Trials were an easily debunked farce.

    Unless you believe in German homicidal steam chambers, German atomic weapons, and accept the validity "confessions" gained by the massive use of torture, just to name a few tid bits.

    I suggest you investigate Nuremberg rather than recite mandated propaganda about it.

    www.codoh.com
    www.forum.codoh.com

    Whatever you may think, the Nuremberg court decisions, and the Shoah are the corner stones of the “New World Order”, the new religion of the empire of chaos managed by Washington and Israel.

    This empire having brought mayhem to the middle East and Afghanistan, it would be fair to apply to those running it , their own rule which allowed them to hang many germans at the end of the WWII war.

    As we have enough proof of their guilt, we will not need to falsify the Truth as they did in Nuremberg and more recently against Irak, Libya, Syria etc…

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  141. Uh-oh, a reformation of Islams as a means of “deradicalization” compared to the reformation of Christianity?!

    But… actually, the reformation was a movement to the roots of Christianity; in other words, to a radicalization of Christianity… and, indeed, the Protestants tend to be more radical, then, say, the Catholics.

    And the Christians in the U.S.A. are more often perceived as “fundamentalists” in comparison with “the average” Christians usually because of their Protestantism.

    Thus, in this view, the Muslims have also had their reformation movements, such as Salafism, or even Wahhabism.

    Thus, through the lenses of Christianity: Sayfullo Saipov is merely a reformed Muslim.

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  142. @Chris Mallory
    The last Christian who held the office of US President limited his military adventurism to a failed hostage rescue in Iran.

    Every president since has been an atheist who worshiped self and power.

    The last Christian who held the office of US President limited his military adventurism to a failed hostage rescue in Iran.

    Every president since has been an atheist who worshiped self and power.

    He is the one responsible for all these evils. Afghanistan was a secular country and by bleeding the Russians, he created One Super Power. No balance anymore between Good and Evil…..

    Read the History well….

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  143. denk says:
    @MarkinPNW
    Since foreign Muslim terrorists and recruited, radicalized, and financed by the CIA, and domestic ones by the FBI (through instigation, entrapment, etc.) can we also ban (or disband) the CIA and FBI?

    JFK entertained that idea…….

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  144. @MEexpert
    I looked for Ilana Mercer’s qualifications in general and about her knowledge of Islam, in particular. Her only qualifications are that she is a Jew. If you are Jew, you almost have an automatic path to being a columnist, especially, if you are writing to bash Muslims.

    Her present diatribe against Islam is pathetic since she does not know a thing about the religion. After 9/11, every Tom, Dick, and Mercer has become an expert on Islam.

    Jihad is a pillar of faith. That faith is Islam.

     

    Yes, Jihad is a pillar of faith but Mercer needs to understand what Jihad is. If tomorrow a Muslims goes out and kills a non-Muslim and also remembers to shout “Allahu Akbar,” it does not make it Jihad. There are strict conditions to wage jihad and not every Tom, Dick, and Harry can declare jihad. Just because Osama bin Laden, Ayman Al-Zawahiri, or Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi want to carry out their Master’s orders and start killing people, they have no authority to declare Jihad.

    9/11 was a false flag operation to carry out and fulfil the “greater Israel” dream. Since then, all the attacks on the western countries have been by the lone wolves recruited and trained by the FBI/CIA/Mossad organizations.

    She claims that , the fact that there are moderate Muslims does not mean there is a moderate Islam. Sher has it totally backwards. She must understand that the fact that there are radical Muslims does not mean that there is a radical Islam. Islam is a very moderate religion, if only people would learn it properly. She should stop learning Islam from Pamella Gellers, Robert Spencers, and Daniel Pipes of America.

    Islam is a religion of piece and no distortion of Mercers of the world will make it anything else. In simple terms, Islam comes from the root word ‘salaam’, which means peace. It also means submitting one’s will to Allah (swt). Thus Islam is a religion of peace, which is acquired by submitting one’s will to the will of the Supreme Creator, Allah (swt), (and not to the will of Osama bin Laden or Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi).

    Here is a better definition of Islam as told by Ali ibn Abi Talib, the cousin of the Prophet.
    “Islam is submission, submission is conviction, conviction is affirmation, affirmation is acknowledgement, acknowledgement is performance of obligations, and the performance of obligations is good deeds.”

    Hence, Islam is more than just a belief: it is belief and good deeds.

    People like Mercer only want to hang to the interpretation of Islam that suits their prejudices or they will take the verses out of context and claim that Islam is violent religion. Here is what Quran says:

    Moderate Islam: "Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious. (Qur’an Chapter 16 – Verse 125)

    "Let there be no compulsion in religion (Qur’an Chapter 2 – Verse 256)

    Tolerant Islam: (Qur'an Chapter 109 - Verses 1 - 6)
    Say: "Oh, you who disbelieve!
    "I do not worship that which you worship,
    "Nor do you worship That Which I worship.
    "Nor will I worship that which you have been worshipping,
    "Neither will you worship That Which I worship.
    "To you your religion and to me mine."

    The problem in America is not the Muslim immigration. The problem is the Jewish/Zionist ideology and money that controls all aspects of the United States. With the parasite state of Israel wanting to control the entire Middle East using its puppets in the United States to achieve its goals, we have nothing but chaos in the world.

    There was no violence, as we see today, before 1948 when the state of Israel was created. Then it was the Jewish/zionizt terrorism carried out by the likes of David Ben Gurion, Menachem Begin, and Yitzhak Shamir.

    Has anyone heard of an attack by Al-Qaeda, ISIS, or any of its offshoots on the state of Israel? No, because these terrorist group were created and are supported by the state of Israel.

    Journalist Rober Fisk of Independent gave an example of selective reading ( a practice common to the neocon/Jewish media):

    One of Isis’s favourite Islamic texts shows how while the Prophet is quoted as saying “when you kill, kill well, and when you slaughter, slaughter well” – in Arabic, darb al-rekab, hitting the neck – “Isis seemingly forgets that the Prophet adds ‘Let each of you sharpen your blade and let him spare the suffering of the animal he slaughters’. In other words [the Prophet] was talking about sheep and cattle – not human beings.”

     

    A good source for learning about Islam and Its social, economic, and governing system is available on line: http://www.duas.org/pdfs/Nahjul-Balagha.pdf

    A good source for learning about Islam and Its social, economic, and governing system is available on line: http://www.duas.org/pdfs/Nahjul-Balagha.pdf

    Nahuatl-Balagha is second only to The Holy Quran. Not every Muslim has read the Nahuatl-Balagha, not even every Shia Muslim.

    Of course, Islam stories differ from the Bible. The central and recurring theme of The Quran is human being is an, “Oppressor”. God tells Adam not to go near the tree, least he become an Oppressor. The tree had no significance, and Adam used his Free Will. No biggie either…..

    Quran tells us that, “Oppression and Sedition on Earth is worse than …….”. The question beget is how many Muslims have read the complete Quran. It is like how many Christians have read the Bible. If they had then there is no way they can reconcile between the Seditious God of Old Testament and Loving God of New Testament.

    Two conflicting Gods……..

    A good book to read is, “The Children of the Alley” by Naguib Mahfouz, a Noble Literate, who was killed by his fellow Egyptian for supposedly blasphemy. Yes, every time a good man came from God who brought the Children back as Owners of Alley, the thugs took over the Children upon the Good man’s death. Moses (pbuh) had to suffer 40 years from the thugs. Quran is very clear that these thugs were “Cow Worshipers”

    The Christians had to suffer from thugs on the demise of Jesus (pbuh), and of course Mohammad (pbuh) was no exception. All the rights given to a regular Joe and Jane, were taken away within 2 months of Mohammad’s death….

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  145. Avery says:
    @Chris Mallory

    The indigenous people of Egypt weren’t “Copts’….they were Arab
    semites.
     
    Hamitic not Semitic.
    Arabs did not make a major move into Egypt until 632 or so.

    And yes, the Christian Copts were in Egypt before the Muslims, by about 600 years, give or take.

    [renfro]:{Well someone needs to give you a lecture on real history.}

    [Chris Mallory]: {Hamitic not Semitic.}

    Yo, [renfro]: I guess somebody _did_ give me a lecture on real history.
    Were you attending that same lecture by any chance?
    Maybe _you_ need a lecture on real history, homes.

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    Jaques, I was saying I was knowimg the figurative meaning, bullsit, but thank you for explaining the literal meaning.

    Would supposing that real Balogna sausages in Italy may be tasty and enjoyable to eat, in whatever way they are served (do not know).

    Baloney is reminding me of 'stuck a feather in his cap, and called it macaroni'.
    , @renfro
    Yo, boys.....you also need a lesson in what 'indigenous ' means;


    ''Indigenous means originated in,

    An indigenous religion would be the original religion of a place...a religion that 'arose in".
    And as I said the original religion of Egypt was polytheism...going back farther than 3000 BC

    The Copts, the people in Egypt who are Christians may be indigenous people of Egypt...
    BUT the religion of Christianity was not indigenous to Egypt.

    Christianity spread across Egypt, and in the third and fourth centuries AD

    You do know the time line difference between BC and AD don't you?

    Get that Islam boggie man corncob out of your ass and get with real history.


    *Religion in the Roman Empire, Wiley-Blackwell, by James B. Rives,

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  146. @Rurik

    A Muslim ban is, in fact, illogical, immoral, and unethical… as well as impractical and irrational.
     
    you're right

    we need to ban all foreigners from immigrating to this country until we have assimilated the ones that are here, and sent back the ones who don't want to assimilate

    that would be logical, moral, ethical. practical and rational

    indeed, it would be immoral, unethical, impractical and irrational to pretend that all these millions of (often hostile) foreigners from every corner of the planet should be allowed to continue to pour in.

    That is insane and unsustainable and will destroy the already frayed fabric of this nation.

    We're rapidly heading to the point where the divide between the deplorables

    vs.

    the Antifa, BLM, La Raza, LGBT, Chucky Shumer, Hillary, Radical Islam, SPLC, ADL, ((media)), shitlibs and all the other butt hurts who hate white America with every butt-hurt breath they take...

    is going to become a shooting war, rather than just a simmering hate-fest

    Indeed, I wonder if the mass-murderer at Las Vegas wasn't targeting the deplorables specifically out of hatred for Trump and his (presumed, country music type) supporters, but is being spun by the authorities as something else, in order to prevent Las Vegas from being the spark that lights the actual shooting war..

    just imagine if that was actually done by an immigrant or a shitlib, who wanted revenge on those deplorables for voting for a wall. Just imagine how people would respond to that.. on both sides.

    the immigrants (just like the Bernie supporters and Hillary supporters, ad infinitum) have been indoctrinated to believe that coming to the US and getting their EBT cards is something they're entitled to

    and that only an irredeemable racist (Adolf Hitler, Robert E. Lee, Donald Trump, Himmler, Joe the Plumber, et al) could possibly object

    so if they decided to shoot some racists, well then who's going to condemn that? Right?

    they are racists after all, and so clearly they deserve to die, no?

    but if you ask your typical Trump voter if they're going to tolerate seeing their children shot at concerts by immigrants or their champions, who believe they have every right to march into this country and claim it as their own, (as they often do) well then we're going to have some right nasty conflicts around here, (and right soon) aren't we?

    we need to ban all foreigners from immigrating to this country until we have assimilated the ones that are here, and sent back the ones who don’t want to assimilate

    that would be logical, moral, ethical. practical and rational

    indeed, it would be immoral, unethical, impractical and irrational to pretend that all these millions of (often hostile) foreigners from every corner of the planet should be allowed to continue to pour in.

    That is insane and unsustainable and will destroy the already frayed fabric of this nation.

    – Rurik

    I don’t know, Rurik, about the shooting war between us ‘deplorables’ and … what do I call them? …. the idiots, I guess.

    Anyway, here’s a practical and rational suggestion to put forward as part of a legislative pro gram to be enactrd by Congress.in order to reform our politic and restore our national greatness –

    In future all legal immigration shall be authorized by acts of Congress which shall identify persons to be admitted into the USA individually by name. all of whom shall be additionally identified by finger printing and/or DNA identification. Foreigners whether residents or not, if wanting to become citizens shall apply to member(s) of Congress. If member(s) of Congress approve of such person(s), then they may sponsor them by including them in an act of Congress.

    In that way, members of Congress can be held responsible.

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    a practical and rational suggestion .. .. to reform our politic and restore our national greatness –
     
    well gramps, personally I'm not worried about restoring any so-called 'greatness'. But rather simply wondering if there's some possible way that I can avoid seeing the younger members of my extended family not have to live in a looming Zimbabwe/Palestine type of dystopian hell on earth.

    Like the whites of Zimbabwe and the Arabs of Palestine, they're already considered second-class citizens by the laws on the books, and like the victims of state sponsored terror visited upon Zimbabwe whites and Palestinian Arabs, when crimes are committed against the white demographic of the ZUS, the news of such crimes are systematically hushed up.

    As these and other similarities become more prevalent, I worry about these young people and the kind of country we're leaving them. To hell with 'greatness', I'd simply like to avoid the coming Orwellian nightmare we're bequeathing to them.

    In future all legal immigration shall be authorized by acts of Congress which shall identify persons to be admitted into the USA individually by name.
     
    anyone who advocates for, or sponsors an immigrant, should be willing to pay all the costs of that immigrant, including lost wages if any for an American who lost a job. All costs of healthcare and other burdens upon society at large, and especially, a willingness to sign a binding contract that you will do the same jail time as your immigrant does if he or she is convicted of any crime against an American citizen.

    remember this (spiked, hush) story?

    https://img.rt.com/files/2017.07/original/596cf459dda4c8483b8b4567.jpg

    well, if it turns out that the Somali immigrant, who put three! bullet holes in the woman in her pajamas who called them to the scene of a rape, is guilty of a crime..

    then I'd happily put into prison every single person in that Minnesota "Christian" community who insist on importing that Somali here. And then I'd award five hundred million dollars in a civil suit to her husband and against the "church", and shut them down as an abomination to reason.

    When the costs of these immigrants - are bourn by the people who bring them, the problem would end in a NY second.

    But more realistically, we need to have protocols on the books to outlaw any duel national from any nation collecting a check from any public budget.

    If you're a Canadian or Bahamian citizen, then you can get a temporary green card and work here in the private sector (if there are no American citizens able or willing to do that job). But if you want to work as a social services worker, or as the Comptroller of the Pentagon, or as Deputy Treasury of the Federal Reserve Bank, then if you're a citizen of a nation other than the USA, then allowing duel nationals to function in these sensitive occupations, is the height of national insanity.

    If we could just put that one common sense and obvious solution in place; forbidding duel nationals from taking sensitive jobs in our government, (especially in the Defense and State Dept.), that one thing would be a powerful and realistic way to undo much of the damage that being done to this country, and indeed the world. As it is these duel nationals that are responsible for the catastrophic wars we're waging all over the planet on behalf of Israel.

    Duh

    I suspect that this suggestion is so obvious and dire and critically important to stopping all the other evils in the world, that even Ilana Mercer would demand that we make this change.

    Just think what that would do to stop fanatical Islamic terrorists...

    if we would simply stop destroying their countries (for Israel) and slaughtering their families !
    , @Rurik


    That is insane and unsustainable and will destroy the already frayed fabric of this nation.

    We’re rapidly heading to the point where the divide between the deplorables

    vs.

    the Antifa, BLM, La Raza, LGBT, Chucky Shumer, Hillary, Radical Islam, SPLC, ADL, ((media)), shitlibs and all the other butt hurts who hate white America with every butt-hurt breath they take…

    is going to become a shooting war, rather than just a simmering hate-fest
     
    I don’t know, Rurik, about the shooting war between us ‘deplorables’ and … what do I call them? …. the idiots, I guess.
     
    well gramps, as others have pointed out..

    June: Bernie Bro shoots Congressmen at baseball practice
    Sept: Refugee shoots church attendees in Tennessee
    Oct: Registered Dem kills 60 at country music concert
    Nov: Atheist kills 27 attending Baptist Church

    This country is already embroiled in a civil war, but only one side is participating yet.
     
    did we even hear about the Tennessee church?

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/24/multiple-people-shot-at-tennessee-church-police-say.html

    and it seems Rand Paul has suffered five broken ribs by a cowardly (aren't they always) attack by a shitlib neighbor

    they've been so indoctrinated with the bromides of equalism and grievance against the irredemables and deplorables, that their rage is manifesting in murderous butt hurt on acid.

    Obama wasn't just a president to these triggered shitlibs and identity politics dregs

    he was a LGBT, BLM, femiNazi, La Raza, shitlib messiah

    a feel-good, whitey comeuppance, validation of their mediocrity as a medal of honor, and a pretext to feel good about themselves for their bovine, in-your-face mediocrity, as if that was the new greatness of our time

    Think Laura Dunham, or Colon Kapernick, or Travon, or Michel Brown..

    is this not the very quintessential face of butt hurt, shitlib mediocrity?

    https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/devin-kelly-3.jpg

    I know liberals

    they are inconsolable. They're in a near catatonic state of crunched fetal position angst - at the loss of their black messiah as potus, and the ascendancy of the deplorables (racists) and their blond haired, alpha white guy fuhrer, who- with homophobic, fellow alpha white guy Vlad Putin, pulled off a coup.

    it's nothing less than existential for them

    everything they've been taught their entire, precious, snowflake lives is that American, CIS, Christian white man is guilty and evil - because they're racist (and homophobic, etc..). And finally they had their messiah to make everything right with the world,

    http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/BA5fuj6CQAAvSE9.jpeg

    only to see it all undone by Trump and those damnable Christian homophobes and conservative racists [redundant on both counts] who want to ban immigrants from righting everything that's always been wrong with America from day one - racist white [redundant] men.

    this is nothing less than existential for shitlibs and black supremacists and ugly radical femNazis

    http://mygaming.co.za/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Andrea-Dworkin.jpg

    http://www.bizpacreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Michael-Moore-1.jpg

    in their id of ids, they'd all like to see white, racist country music fans mowed down by the score with the same hate-weapons they menace innocent black thugs with everyday; the racist AR15

    Christians at homophobic service slaughtered between the pews must be a powerful panacea for their rage

    Basically they're an army that the Jews have been grooming for generations now. With shows like Roots and Archie Bunker and a thousand Holocaust references and a million subtle and not-so-subtle media and k-12 and academia programming of how evil all white men congenitally are.

    we've all seen it, and see it daily

    every year there's a dozen or so movies they put out to demonize white men as slavers and evil Nazis or homophobes

    just look at what they've done to the id of these people

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AydR1ivmFw8/WIPqEdwvgbI/AAAAAAAAGRs/X5m_-2qeMLoJgsiXnYWSoaswWSBbEUR8ACLcB/s640/Ashley%2BJudd%2B-%2BWomen%2527s%2BMarch.png

    this isn't a debate over tax rates or foreign policy, this is raw, pure, visceral race-hate

    and it's not going to end well..
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  147. Corvinus says:
    @Haxo Angmark
    a ban on Zionists is logical, moral, even libertarian.

    “a ban on Zionists is logical, moral, even libertarian.”

    I always have to laugh when such pronouncements are made because they are rooted in pie in the sky notions. First, who makes this determination as to who is a Zionist? What group of people essentially “play God”? Second, what are the metrics involved? What are the specific criteria involved? Third, what is the prescribed consequence? Again, what group of people “play God” in determining the “appropriate punishment”. Fourth, what constitutional questions arise if these individuals are American citizens? How do we rectify this issue? Fifth, what happens when their supporters come to their defense? Will there be an army of citizen-soldiers at the ready to remove by force those deemed a Zionist?

    That is why such a statement is utterly foolish, and those who support such a statement are fools themselves.

    “Jihad is a pillar of a faith. That faith is Islam.”

    Actually, Mercer, you really need to become educated as to what is and what is not jihad.

    http://islamicsupremecouncil.org/understanding-islam/legal-rulings/5-jihad-a-misunderstood-concept-from-islam.html?start=9

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/625619/Muslim-Fatwa-ISIS-Islamic-State-al-Qaeda-Taliban-Islam-Paris-Attacks-Daesh

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  148. Che Guava says:
    @Avery
    [renfro]:{Well someone needs to give you a lecture on real history.}

    [Chris Mallory]: {Hamitic not Semitic.}

    Yo, [renfro]: I guess somebody _did_ give me a lecture on real history.
    Were you attending that same lecture by any chance?
    Maybe _you_ need a lecture on real history, homes.

    Jaques, I was saying I was knowimg the figurative meaning, bullsit, but thank you for explaining the literal meaning.

    Would supposing that real Balogna sausages in Italy may be tasty and enjoyable to eat, in whatever way they are served (do not know).

    Baloney is reminding me of ‘stuck a feather in his cap, and called it macaroni’.

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  149. Avery says:
    @MEexpert

    Every president since has been an atheist who worshiped self and power.
     
    You forgot George (God told me) W. Bush, the born again Christian president.

    {You forgot George (God told me) W. Bush, the born again Christian president.}

    In name only.

    Gee Dubya is no Christian, not in any meaningful sense of the word.
    He was/is a dim-wit man-child that spouted all sorts of ‘gems’, without understanding what they mean.

    The Bush, & Cheney, & Blair anti-Christian gang are responsible for destroying one of the oldest continuous Christian communities in the world that traces its roots to biblical times: Iraqi Christians.

    These Godless reptiles* go halfway around the world to maim, kill, and murder innocent civilians then joke about it:

    [George W. Bush - jokes about weapons of mass destruction ]

    _______

    * in reference to the old TV series “V”, where aliens had the appearance of humans, but underneath were lizards of some sort.

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    Suddenly he is not a Christian !!!

    The guy grew among Christians, got married according to the norms set by church and Chrsitian society that he grew up with. He went to Church . He found God and quit drinking in 1990
    He believed in Good and Evil - Mag and Gog ( or whatever that shit is)
    He believed he was ordered by God to bring freedom ,end tyranny, . His most vocal supporters were religious America - common folks and big mega denomination and Evangelic.

    His acolyte from Bobkyn to Graham and closet Chrstian profiled New Yorker magazine believed that God chose him to fight against evil represented by Islam

    Just like your simpleton- worthy moronic argument that ME was converted to Islam by force against wishes of the citizen , this argument to separate Bush and his mad dog millions supporters from Christiany is self serving deceitful and fact free .
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  150. Jessica R says:

    Terror strikes by Muslims should be viewed in their contexts. For decades, the West has wreaked untold havoc on Muslim lands. In particular, two wars and more than a decade of sanctions against Iraq have caused hundreds of thousands of deaths and devastated what once was one of the most progressive societies in the Gulf region. Yes, Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, but the people who bore the brunt of the sanctions were innocent civilians, many of them children.

    The US backed Israel in its invasion and occupation of Lebanon, with tens of thousands dead.
    The US fomented violence in Libya and enforced brutal sanctions against Iran.

    The crimes in Iraq were committed by non–Muslims, mostly Christians and a few Jews. Any accusations of violence in Islam should take not onlly modern history into account but the many violent passages in the Christian Bible, some of which were used to justify the genocide of Native Americans.

    Since Islam has existed for approximately 1500 years and it has only been since 1992 or so that there have been Islamic terror attacks in the US, I suspect the underlying cause is not Islam per se but the violence the Muslim world has experienced at the hands of the US.

    On the other hand, since the US has brutalized Muslim countries for so long, a ban makes a certain sense. I don’t want to become a terror victim because my government is criminal.

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    Terror strikes by Muslims should be viewed in their contexts.
     
    True.

    Also so called terror strikes by Muslims should be viewed as mostly propaganda.

    Creating enemies is an old trick of statists and their apologists.

    Cato the Elder’s statement: “Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam ”, which translates as, “Ya know, I think we should eliminate Carthage.”

    Cato the Elder tacked this catchphrase onto every speech he gave in the Senate, regardless of the topic, because he really wanted to see Carthage destroyed. Not because Carthage was an imperial threat to Rome. It was because Carthage, which had been flat on its behind after losing the first two Punic Wars, was finally starting to pull itself together and Cato abhorred the idea of dealing with Carthage as a peer interlocutor.

    -Peter Lee, Thucydides Crap
    http://www.unz.com/plee/thucydides-crap/

     

    , @RadicalCenter
    Mostly agreed. But exactly what NEW Testament passages were ever used to justify slaughter of anyone?

    And by the way, the poor noble “native Americans” had no trouble raping, torturing, scalping, killing, and displacing each other before any of us bad old Europeans arrived. Every people has the land and resources that it has because they used violence against the people who were there before them, whatever their color or race or purported religion.
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  151. KenH says:
    @MEexpert
    You don't blame Judaism for Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians. Neither do you blame Christianity for the wars, destruction, and mayhem caused by the US/UK/France around the world, especially in the Muslim world. So why blame Islam for the actions of a few misguided radicals. For your information, the history of Judaism and Christianity is no less bloody.

    You don’t blame Judaism for Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians.

    I do. I recall some Rabbis celebrating when Israeli Jew Baruch Goldstein mercilessly shot 29 unarmed Muslims praying at mosque in Hebron. There have been other cases.

    Neither do you blame Christianity for the wars, destruction, and mayhem caused by the US/UK/France around the world, especially in the Muslim world.

    That’s because Christian religious fervor isn’t the driving force behind these wars. Jewish power is and you’ve even admitted as much in many of your postings on Unz. It was the black nationalist and Muslim sympathizing Hussein Obama, not the “Christian” George W Bush, who resorted to the unrestrained use of drone strikes in Muslim nations leading to an undetermined death toll of noncombatants. Muslim nations Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, UAE have helped enable the chaos, destruction and mayhem engulfing the region by supporting terrorist groups and insurgents.

    For your information, the history of Judaism and Christianity is no less bloody.

    True, except we’re not talking about 300-400 or 1000 years ago. The bloodletting of Christian religious wars never adversely affected Muslims. And Christian men didn’t run off like yellow bellied cowards to Muslim lands and sexually assault Muslim women and periodically murder Muslims on flimsy religious pretexts.

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  152. @Reg Cæsar

    I don’t see why the two would be mutually exclusive, though neither one appears to be politically feasible.
     
    Lump 'em together as Semites.

    The great majority of Muslims are not Arabs / Semites. They are Indian, Pakistani, Nigerian, Persian, or Turkish, roughly in that order.

    They should be excluded based on the ideology of Islam, not based on race.

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  153. @Reg Cæsar

    a ban on Zionists is logical, moral, even libertarian.
     
    And all those Soviet Jews would have gone to Israel, rather than half of them here.

    Two problemswith that, though. Arabs would have been even more pissed at us. And many of the Soviet Jews were an improvement over the ones here.

    If we were neutral on the Israeli Palestine conflict and the whole Judaism versus Islam conflict (which is an ancient racial grudge match, as Judaism is a racial-identity movement rather than a regular religion and the Muslims,the Jews encountered for many centuries were in fact mostly Arabs), there would be no reason to hate us because of soviet Jews or anyone else going to Israel.

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  154. A Muslim Ban Is Logical, Moral, Even Libertarian

    Yup, another law will make everything better, and the author has it all figured out. I hope she sticks to scribbling and doesn’t start imagining she’s G-wd’s gift to the world.

    Simplistic, Delusional, Even Crackpot.

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  155. @Jessica R
    Terror strikes by Muslims should be viewed in their contexts. For decades, the West has wreaked untold havoc on Muslim lands. In particular, two wars and more than a decade of sanctions against Iraq have caused hundreds of thousands of deaths and devastated what once was one of the most progressive societies in the Gulf region. Yes, Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, but the people who bore the brunt of the sanctions were innocent civilians, many of them children.

    The US backed Israel in its invasion and occupation of Lebanon, with tens of thousands dead.
    The US fomented violence in Libya and enforced brutal sanctions against Iran.

    The crimes in Iraq were committed by non--Muslims, mostly Christians and a few Jews. Any accusations of violence in Islam should take not onlly modern history into account but the many violent passages in the Christian Bible, some of which were used to justify the genocide of Native Americans.

    Since Islam has existed for approximately 1500 years and it has only been since 1992 or so that there have been Islamic terror attacks in the US, I suspect the underlying cause is not Islam per se but the violence the Muslim world has experienced at the hands of the US.

    On the other hand, since the US has brutalized Muslim countries for so long, a ban makes a certain sense. I don't want to become a terror victim because my government is criminal.

    Terror strikes by Muslims should be viewed in their contexts.

    True.

    Also so called terror strikes by Muslims should be viewed as mostly propaganda.

    Creating enemies is an old trick of statists and their apologists.

    Cato the Elder’s statement: “Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam ”, which translates as, “Ya know, I think we should eliminate Carthage.”

    Cato the Elder tacked this catchphrase onto every speech he gave in the Senate, regardless of the topic, because he really wanted to see Carthage destroyed. Not because Carthage was an imperial threat to Rome. It was because Carthage, which had been flat on its behind after losing the first two Punic Wars, was finally starting to pull itself together and Cato abhorred the idea of dealing with Carthage as a peer interlocutor.

    -Peter Lee, Thucydides Crap

    http://www.unz.com/plee/thucydides-crap/

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  156. @MEexpert

    Every president since has been an atheist who worshiped self and power.
     
    You forgot George (God told me) W. Bush, the born again Christian president.

    You forgot George (God told me) W. Bush, the born again Christian president.

    By their fruits you shall know them. W’s fruits were war, death, destruction, and lies. Satan is the Father of Lies. The Truth was not in W.

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  157. @Andrei Martyanov

    A ban on those bumbling, illiterate, brutish ragheads of the ME is logical, moral, even libertarian. America must remain a Zionist occupied territory for the sole purpose of serving the goal of Greater Israel.
     
    You just presented a perfect, in fact the best, example of being manipulated by... neocons, who unified two issues in one mutually exclusive and damaging to the US duality. Here how it goes in US in neocon framework: Islam is bad and Israel is automatically good. Hence your response. There is no separation, none whatsoever. Reality, however, (see dictionary for the definition of reality) is such that two issues are NOT really connected:

    1. Islam and Western culture (what's left of it anyway) are NOT compatible and there are serious legitimate issues with Sunni Islam. With or without US aggression and mayhem it created in the ME Muslims who profess Sharia are not integratable into Western societies, period. It is not a theorem, it is an axiom.

    2. All of that has NOTHING to do with Israel, which:

    a) Despite its constant boasting and being a hot bed of gay "culture" is not realistically a Western culture.

    b) Israel's problems with Arabs are Israel's problems only and have NO relation whatsoever, in any plane, to legitimate problems with Islam in Western societies.

    So, your sarcasm, while understandable, is absolutely misplaced. West's real problems with Islam and Israel's problems with Arabs (and Islam), some of them legitimate for Israel, MUST be completely decoupled. One does not relate to the other. Bad Muslims in Texas or New Jersey are in no way related to anything Israel in terms of any causalities and can not in any way be associated with Israel's problems (and aspirations).

    It is really sad that neocons so well coupled two different issues. In short, Muslim problem in the West, and it is a huge one, should never invoke Israel in any way. This is West's problem, not Israel's. I hope I expressed myself clearly. If need be I will elaborate.

    Wholeheartedly agree, Mr. Martyanov. I know that Russia has quite a different history, different needs, and different neighbors than my USA, but don’t you think that Russia too should stop allowing more Muslims to immigrate to and settle in Russia proper?

    The USA lacks the guts and common sense to bar Muslim immigration, but Russia might have what it takes.

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  158. renfro says:
    @Avery
    [renfro]:{Well someone needs to give you a lecture on real history.}

    [Chris Mallory]: {Hamitic not Semitic.}

    Yo, [renfro]: I guess somebody _did_ give me a lecture on real history.
    Were you attending that same lecture by any chance?
    Maybe _you_ need a lecture on real history, homes.

    Yo, boys…..you also need a lesson in what ‘indigenous ‘ means;

    ”Indigenous means originated in,

    An indigenous religion would be the original religion of a place…a religion that ‘arose in”.
    And as I said the original religion of Egypt was polytheism…going back farther than 3000 BC

    The Copts, the people in Egypt who are Christians may be indigenous people of Egypt…
    BUT the religion of Christianity was not indigenous to Egypt.

    Christianity spread across Egypt, and in the third and fourth centuries AD

    You do know the time line difference between BC and AD don’t you?

    Get that Islam boggie man corncob out of your ass and get with real history.

    *Religion in the Roman Empire, Wiley-Blackwell, by James B. Rives,

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  159. @Grandpa Charlie

    we need to ban all foreigners from immigrating to this country until we have assimilated the ones that are here, and sent back the ones who don’t want to assimilate

    that would be logical, moral, ethical. practical and rational

    indeed, it would be immoral, unethical, impractical and irrational to pretend that all these millions of (often hostile) foreigners from every corner of the planet should be allowed to continue to pour in.

    That is insane and unsustainable and will destroy the already frayed fabric of this nation.

    -- Rurik
     

    I don't know, Rurik, about the shooting war between us 'deplorables' and ... what do I call them? .... the idiots, I guess.

    Anyway, here's a practical and rational suggestion to put forward as part of a legislative pro gram to be enactrd by Congress.in order to reform our politic and restore our national greatness --

    In future all legal immigration shall be authorized by acts of Congress which shall identify persons to be admitted into the USA individually by name. all of whom shall be additionally identified by finger printing and/or DNA identification. Foreigners whether residents or not, if wanting to become citizens shall apply to member(s) of Congress. If member(s) of Congress approve of such person(s), then they may sponsor them by including them in an act of Congress.

    In that way, members of Congress can be held responsible.

    a practical and rational suggestion .. .. to reform our politic and restore our national greatness –

    well gramps, personally I’m not worried about restoring any so-called ‘greatness’. But rather simply wondering if there’s some possible way that I can avoid seeing the younger members of my extended family not have to live in a looming Zimbabwe/Palestine type of dystopian hell on earth.

    Like the whites of Zimbabwe and the Arabs of Palestine, they’re already considered second-class citizens by the laws on the books, and like the victims of state sponsored terror visited upon Zimbabwe whites and Palestinian Arabs, when crimes are committed against the white demographic of the ZUS, the news of such crimes are systematically hushed up.

    As these and other similarities become more prevalent, I worry about these young people and the kind of country we’re leaving them. To hell with ‘greatness’, I’d simply like to avoid the coming Orwellian nightmare we’re bequeathing to them.

    In future all legal immigration shall be authorized by acts of Congress which shall identify persons to be admitted into the USA individually by name.

    anyone who advocates for, or sponsors an immigrant, should be willing to pay all the costs of that immigrant, including lost wages if any for an American who lost a job. All costs of healthcare and other burdens upon society at large, and especially, a willingness to sign a binding contract that you will do the same jail time as your immigrant does if he or she is convicted of any crime against an American citizen.

    remember this (spiked, hush) story?

    well, if it turns out that the Somali immigrant, who put three! bullet holes in the woman in her pajamas who called them to the scene of a rape, is guilty of a crime..

    then I’d happily put into prison every single person in that Minnesota “Christian” community who insist on importing that Somali here. And then I’d award five hundred million dollars in a civil suit to her husband and against the “church”, and shut them down as an abomination to reason.

    When the costs of these immigrants – are bourn by the people who bring them, the problem would end in a NY second.

    But more realistically, we need to have protocols on the books to outlaw any duel national from any nation collecting a check from any public budget.

    If you’re a Canadian or Bahamian citizen, then you can get a temporary green card and work here in the private sector (if there are no American citizens able or willing to do that job). But if you want to work as a social services worker, or as the Comptroller of the Pentagon, or as Deputy Treasury of the Federal Reserve Bank, then if you’re a citizen of a nation other than the USA, then allowing duel nationals to function in these sensitive occupations, is the height of national insanity.

    If we could just put that one common sense and obvious solution in place; forbidding duel nationals from taking sensitive jobs in our government, (especially in the Defense and State Dept.), that one thing would be a powerful and realistic way to undo much of the damage that being done to this country, and indeed the world. As it is these duel nationals that are responsible for the catastrophic wars we’re waging all over the planet on behalf of Israel.

    Duh

    I suspect that this suggestion is so obvious and dire and critically important to stopping all the other evils in the world, that even Ilana Mercer would demand that we make this change.

    Just think what that would do to stop fanatical Islamic terrorists…

    if we would simply stop destroying their countries (for Israel) and slaughtering their families !

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  160. Alden says:
    @CalDre
    Judaism teaches a lot more. A couple quotes from their Beastly Torah shows that any problematic verse in Islam, even when deliberately misconstrued by Jew supremacists and Jew idolaters (mainly Evangelicals and their Scofield adulteration), has its roots in Judaism:

    20 Deuteronomy 10-15: 10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

    2 Deuteronomy 32-36: 32 When Sihon and all his army came out to meet us in battle at Jahaz, 33 the Lord our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army. 34 At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed[c] them—men, women and children. We left no survivors. 35 But the livestock and the plunder from the towns we had captured we carried off for ourselves. 36 From Aroer on the rim of the Arnon Gorge, and from the town in the gorge, even as far as Gilead, not one town was too strong for us. The Lord our God gave us all of them.
     

    There are many other examples which, of course, are the Word of their Beast Yahweh for Jews.

    Alexander the Great and his father Phillip used that surrender and it won’t be so bad or fight and be destroyed strategy. So did the Turks, the Mongols Ghengis Khan and a lot of other conquerors.

    It’s good strategy. At the beginning of the campaign, totally destroy some towns that resisted. When everyone learns about it, give other towns in the path of conquest a choice. Resist and be destroyed or surrender and it won’t be so bad.

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  161. Alden says:

    S. Africa would be in much, much better shape if Mercer and her fellow tribes critters had been banned from emigrating to that country 200 years ago. It would still be peaceful, prosperous and civilized under White rule.

    It’s interesting that E. European Jews made the big jumps to the USA, Palestine and S. Africa all at the same time beginning in 1880.

    One might think it was a coordinated plan or conspiracy.

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  162. Alden says:
    @MEexpert
    You don't blame Judaism for Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians. Neither do you blame Christianity for the wars, destruction, and mayhem caused by the US/UK/France around the world, especially in the Muslim world. So why blame Islam for the actions of a few misguided radicals. For your information, the history of Judaism and Christianity is no less bloody.

    “You don’t blame Judaism for Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians.”

    So what else is to blame?

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  163. Alden says:
    @Che Guava
    Andrei,

    I was not wanting to commenting on this thread but 'Judaeo-Christian thing is baloney', i have also been saying it. Although, I am not sure of the literal meaning of 'baloney', am understanding the figurative.

    I have researched the term 'Judaeo-Christian'. It is less than two centuries old. It was originally from theologians, strictly only referring to the jewish partisans in the early Church.

    Usage with the modern, and as you are saying, false meaning, is from the late 1940s, a few heretical US protestants under Zionist influence.

    It was not recorded in general political-cultural discourse until the USA in late 1980s. Did not become common there until the mid- to late 1990s, or even later.

    Evil meme, indeed.

    A Lutheran friend always ran a big Passover Dinner at her Lutheran Church. They always invited Jews but the Jews never came. The Lutherans never objected when the local public schools banned the word Easter break and substituted spring break and scheduled the vacation week a couple weeks after Easter.

    But they kept hoping a Rabbi would preside at the Lutheran Seder. Never happened. And now various Israeli Jewish scholars claim that the entire exile into Egypt and slavery and oppression in Egypt and Moses and the flight from Egypt never happened.

    First time I heard the term Judeo Christian was when the Jewish commie early feminazis began talking about the oppression of women under Judeo Christian Patriarchy. I had to laugh at their lies but they won their war against western and Christian civilization.

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  164. Alden says:
    @jacques sheete
    Thanks for reminding us.

    Here's more.:


    All Holocaust compensation and restitution payments are protected by 1994 federal legislation that excludes them from calculations relating to eligibility for federal benefits. The legislation (h.r. 1873 or public law 103-286) stated that payments made to individuals because of their status as victims of Nazi persecution are to be excluded from income and resources in determining both eligibility for and the amount of benefits or services to be provided under any Federal or federally assisted program which provides benefits or services based on need such as, but not limited to, Medicaid, Supplemental Security Income, food stamps and Federally subsidized Housing programs.

    http://www.claimscon.org/?url=payments_benefits
     

    Any and all Jews born in Europe, that is Russia to the border with China and neutral countries such as Spain, Portugual, Sweden, Ireland and Switzerland before January 1, 1946 are deemed holocaust survivors, even if they or their parents and Grandparents were Soviet communist high officials living in comfort.

    The youngest, the babies born in 1945 are 72. So we have another 30 years until Thanks Be To God the last holocaust survivor is dead. But they will never, never, never shut up about it.

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    It's just so absurd to think that ordinary Europeans aren't themselves survivors of centuries of religious and ethnic conflict. Utterly absurd.
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  165. Alden says:
    @Anon

    Based on this comment, I just want to apologize for questioning your honesty when you and Mr. Maven had that dispute over whether the Israeli national anthem was sung in every sabbath morning service.
     
    Surely it would have depended on the synagogue? I always thought that was a silly argument on Sam's part; obviously the national anthem of Israel wouldn't be in the rubrics, because Israel didn't exist before the last century (and the concept of "national anthems" isn't much older).

    The National anthem of the Israeli military is ” Onward Christian Soldiers” (with the help of the American taxpayer)

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  166. Alden says:
    @jilles dykstra
    Again many misunderstandings.
    1 If the west had not been pursuing a violent colonialism in Muslim countries and areas they would never have fled to the enemy
    2 That some of those who had to flee developed an intense hatred for the enemy, it surprises me that most who have fled have not developed this hatred
    3 Anyone who studied the history of Islam knows that christianity was and is far more violent. Wars ascribed to Islam were wars by Asiatic peoples, even the Ottomans were Asiatics. The conquering of north Africa and the Iberian peninsula was a war of liberation, the catholics there suppressed the jews, who welcomed the Muslims.
    4 There is freedom of religion in western societies, but how can we tolerate a religion that sees no difference between religion and the state ?

    Hopefully your pathetic little brothel of a country will be liberated by muslims in the near future.

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  167. Alden says:
    @Jonny C

    Christianity has just commemorated 500 years since its Reformation. Islam has yet to undergo a reformation; it’s still radical.
     
    This would presume that Christianity in it's nature is violent, and needed a reformation to do away with it's violent nature. I would argue that since the Acts of the apostles and even since Jesus walked the earth, Christianity is full of both teachings and examples of non-violence. "Love your enemies." "Turn the other cheek." "Do unto others." Nothing in the teaching of Christianity needed reformation, the wrongdoings of Europe notwithstanding.

    The essence of the reformation was the rejection of the do gooder New Testament of Jesus and a return to the violence and hatred of the Old Testament.

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  168. Alden says:
    @Anon

    a) Despite its constant boasting and being a hot bed of gay “culture” is not realistically a Western culture.
     
    Why? Because it's not Christian?

    Because Israel is in the middle east and the culture is middle eastern. Many starry eyed atheist liberal, advanced American Jews lived in Israel for a few years. But being liberal westerners just couldn’t take the corruption and other middle eastern ways and returned to America.

    The middle eastern culture of Israel may be one reason why between 1/5 and 1/4 of Israeli Jews live in Europe and America. The other reason is that is is a lot easier to make a living in Europe and America, particularly if one is Sephardi or Mizrahi.

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    Alden, I am thinking those ratios you are citing are wrong,

    From my reading, USA alone is hosting the roughly same numbers of Zionist jews as the non-arab population of Israel.
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  169. @CalDre
    Judaism teaches a lot more. A couple quotes from their Beastly Torah shows that any problematic verse in Islam, even when deliberately misconstrued by Jew supremacists and Jew idolaters (mainly Evangelicals and their Scofield adulteration), has its roots in Judaism:

    20 Deuteronomy 10-15: 10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. 11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. 12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. 13 When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. 14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. 15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

    2 Deuteronomy 32-36: 32 When Sihon and all his army came out to meet us in battle at Jahaz, 33 the Lord our God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army. 34 At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed[c] them—men, women and children. We left no survivors. 35 But the livestock and the plunder from the towns we had captured we carried off for ourselves. 36 From Aroer on the rim of the Arnon Gorge, and from the town in the gorge, even as far as Gilead, not one town was too strong for us. The Lord our God gave us all of them.
     

    There are many other examples which, of course, are the Word of their Beast Yahweh for Jews.

    Terrorism and murder of women and children and other noncombatants is consistent with Islam and Judaism.

    It is not consistent with the New Testament and Christianity.

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    Terrorism and murder of women and children and other noncombatants is consistent with Islam and Judaism.
     
    Then why is the US, UK, and other western nations bombing Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, and Afghanistan and killing innocent women and children? The US may claim separation of church and state but ask any american and they will tell you that this is a christian country.

    It is not consistent with the New Testament and Christianity.
     
    The biggest supporters of these wars are the evangelical christians who are falling over each other citing New Testament to show their support. Tell them that it is inconsistent with the New Testament. George W. Bush should have turned the other cheek instead of attacking Afghanistan and Iraq.
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  170. @Anonymous
    Propose a deal with Democrats:

    Ban on diversity visas to people in majority Muslim countries or where there are a lot of Muslims (Nigeria) and number of visas can be expanded from 50,000 to 100,000 per year.

    You’d have to include India in that ban, as there are more than 200 million Muslim there. Fine by me.

    But we need to eliminate the diversity visa entirely.

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  171. MEexpert says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Terrorism and murder of women and children and other noncombatants is consistent with Islam and Judaism.

    It is not consistent with the New Testament and Christianity.

    Terrorism and murder of women and children and other noncombatants is consistent with Islam and Judaism.

    Then why is the US, UK, and other western nations bombing Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, and Afghanistan and killing innocent women and children? The US may claim separation of church and state but ask any american and they will tell you that this is a christian country.

    It is not consistent with the New Testament and Christianity.

    The biggest supporters of these wars are the evangelical christians who are falling over each other citing New Testament to show their support. Tell them that it is inconsistent with the New Testament. George W. Bush should have turned the other cheek instead of attacking Afghanistan and Iraq.

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    You can try and read my comment again. People who make such wars can say they are Christian, but their conduct is not required by and is not countenanced by Christianity, by the weight of the words of Jesus.

    People calling themselves Christians but flouting Christianity utterly, have been killing needlessly and committing cruelties needlessly. They can’t find New Testament authority for their conduct.

    By contrast, Muslims can easily find justification for their unnecessary killing, cruelties, and oppression directly and clearly in the text of the koran.

    If the world followed the words of Jesus - whether he was divine / the son of God or not -how much less cruelty and needless nondefensive violence would there be? If the whole world followed the rantings of muhammad (disgrace be upon him), well, we can already see how cruel and hopeless the world would be.

    , @RadicalCenter
    Where exactly in the new testament would one find support for these recent unnecessary, nondefensive nonretaliatory wars? One wouldn’t.

    And I’ve never once heard, seen, or read any Christian citing specific NT verses that even arguably tend to justify these things. Show me some and then good luck trying to show how the NT substantially or on balance justifies those things. It doesn’t.

    Evangelicals or any other purported Christians cannot be good Christians and support this federal government in its very essence, let alone support its warmongering and murder.

    I’m far from a great Christian or a fully virtuous person, but my own moral flaws and imperfect actions are despite my Christianity rather than because of it. Christianity has never been a justification for any evil I’ve done or any evil and violence the us gov has perpetrated. This government is more nearly the antithesis of Christian, and this is demonstrated by the wars and cruelties that you and I both oppose.
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  172. Max Payne says:

    Guys…. guys relax. There will never be a Muslim ban. How is Israel going to vacate everyone from the Nile to the Euphrates if the EU and US stop taking in Muslim refugees?

    As long as Israel exists Muslims will be accepted all over the West. Cost of doing business. So don’t worry.

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  173. helena says:
    @Alden
    Any and all Jews born in Europe, that is Russia to the border with China and neutral countries such as Spain, Portugual, Sweden, Ireland and Switzerland before January 1, 1946 are deemed holocaust survivors, even if they or their parents and Grandparents were Soviet communist high officials living in comfort.

    The youngest, the babies born in 1945 are 72. So we have another 30 years until Thanks Be To God the last holocaust survivor is dead. But they will never, never, never shut up about it.

    It’s just so absurd to think that ordinary Europeans aren’t themselves survivors of centuries of religious and ethnic conflict. Utterly absurd.

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  174. @bossel

    A Muslim Ban Is Logical, Moral, Even Libertarian
     
    Well, you have some rather peculiar ideas about liberty (& libertarianism). Nothing new, of course, but still worth mentioning...
    Calling yourself libertarian doesn't make you one.

    I’m quite sympathetic to libertarianism if we can restore and sustain a culture and a people who are able to handle that level of individual liberty and individual responsibility reasonably well.

    The evidence does not support the notion that all peoples, at all stages of their development, are suited to libertarianism. That’s dangerously naive.

    And by the way, I think most of us are more interested in our children being alive and not subjugated by sharia or the rule of any alien people, than in being “good libertarians” in your mind.

    Lastly, I don’t think Hoppe needs to defer to you on libertarianism, and he too realizes that any sane libertarianism cannot countenance the importation of tens of millions of unassimilated and even hostile peoples.

    As someone once properly said of the U.S. Constitution, we should also say, “Libertarianism is not a suicide pact.”

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  175. @MEexpert

    Terrorism and murder of women and children and other noncombatants is consistent with Islam and Judaism.
     
    Then why is the US, UK, and other western nations bombing Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, and Afghanistan and killing innocent women and children? The US may claim separation of church and state but ask any american and they will tell you that this is a christian country.

    It is not consistent with the New Testament and Christianity.
     
    The biggest supporters of these wars are the evangelical christians who are falling over each other citing New Testament to show their support. Tell them that it is inconsistent with the New Testament. George W. Bush should have turned the other cheek instead of attacking Afghanistan and Iraq.

    You can try and read my comment again. People who make such wars can say they are Christian, but their conduct is not required by and is not countenanced by Christianity, by the weight of the words of Jesus.

    People calling themselves Christians but flouting Christianity utterly, have been killing needlessly and committing cruelties needlessly. They can’t find New Testament authority for their conduct.

    By contrast, Muslims can easily find justification for their unnecessary killing, cruelties, and oppression directly and clearly in the text of the koran.

    If the world followed the words of Jesus – whether he was divine / the son of God or not -how much less cruelty and needless nondefensive violence would there be? If the whole world followed the rantings of muhammad (disgrace be upon him), well, we can already see how cruel and hopeless the world would be.

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    By contrast, Muslims can easily find justification for their unnecessary killing, cruelties, and oppression directly and clearly in the text of the koran.
     
    Christian feels that the New Testament gives them the moral superiority to commit any amount of mayhem in the world. If the Old Testament and the Qur'an preach violence then why do the morally superior Christians are duped into following the Old Testament (which is part of the Christian bible) and do the Jews bidding?

    The people who use Qur'an to carry out the acts of terrorism do not use it to promote Islam. It is used for political purpose. There are more than a billion Muslims around the world and the majority of them shout Allahu Akbar several times a day but that does not make them terrorists. Arabic is the richest language and words mean different things in different context. The translations, from any language, generally lose the original meanings of the author. In the case of Qur'an, the author is the all mighty Allah and no matter how well the translation, one cannot grasp the true intent behind each and every word of the All Mighty.

    If the whole world followed the rantings of muhammad (disgrace be upon him), well, we can already see how cruel and hopeless the world would be.
     
    I probably should not have bothered to reply your post after reading this statement, because it is a statement of an ignorant and bigoted man. But I am doing it exactly because of the teachings of Muhammad (Peace be upon him). He taught us to treat even a person like you with kindness.

    I don't know whose translation of Qur'an you have read or even have read any at all but I will give you a website that you should visit.

    https://www.al-islam.org/
     
    If you really want to learn about Islam, I suggest you visit this site with open mind. You will find all kinds of books (Qur'an, translation in various language, its tafsir, books of hadith, and history of Islam) on this site. You can search by topics. It may change your mind about Islam and learn to respect it as a peaceful religion that it is.

    Also, please go back and read my original post.
    , @anon
    If the world followed the words of Jesus"

    You know neither history and he will never learn logic , common sense, and psychology .

    1 First ask those who didn't follow and what happened to them at the hands of those who claimed to follow the Jesus.
    2 Can you find one Christian I can relate to - Esuebius ? Jerome? Constantine'. Martin Luthrr? John Locke? Hitler? Bush Jr? Dobson.? Theresa ?

    3 there are otherwise good people who stupidly try to explain that the ME was ruthlessly converted at sword to Muslim religion because before that ME was Christian . What a BS!!

    4 May be Armenia and Nordic countries were converted by force and torutre to Christianity . May be Latin America but not S Korea nor Ethiopia . Muslim just like Christianity followed different trajectories . But no where it was violently imposed on .
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  176. @MEexpert

    Terrorism and murder of women and children and other noncombatants is consistent with Islam and Judaism.
     
    Then why is the US, UK, and other western nations bombing Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, and Afghanistan and killing innocent women and children? The US may claim separation of church and state but ask any american and they will tell you that this is a christian country.

    It is not consistent with the New Testament and Christianity.
     
    The biggest supporters of these wars are the evangelical christians who are falling over each other citing New Testament to show their support. Tell them that it is inconsistent with the New Testament. George W. Bush should have turned the other cheek instead of attacking Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Where exactly in the new testament would one find support for these recent unnecessary, nondefensive nonretaliatory wars? One wouldn’t.

    And I’ve never once heard, seen, or read any Christian citing specific NT verses that even arguably tend to justify these things. Show me some and then good luck trying to show how the NT substantially or on balance justifies those things. It doesn’t.

    Evangelicals or any other purported Christians cannot be good Christians and support this federal government in its very essence, let alone support its warmongering and murder.

    I’m far from a great Christian or a fully virtuous person, but my own moral flaws and imperfect actions are despite my Christianity rather than because of it. Christianity has never been a justification for any evil I’ve done or any evil and violence the us gov has perpetrated. This government is more nearly the antithesis of Christian, and this is demonstrated by the wars and cruelties that you and I both oppose.

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  177. @Anon
    I have read no comments here. Before doing, I wanted to say again that Ilana Mercer is deeply hated by the Jewish Left in North America, as well as by Neocons, for telling the truth about race and the inevitable horrors resulting from Bleeding Heat Liberalism. So any article of hers always draws ire from people who – perhaps paid by the SPLC or ADL – pretend to be conservatives who must denounce her to protect conservatism.

    Me again, the 66 years old Muslim. Is her article about race or religion?

    Yes, uneducated individuals shouldn't be allowed in any country as they contribute almost nothing but doing the cheap menial work.

    The SIT (Small Insignificant Tribe) has destroyed the While Culture and especially their religion Christianity which teaches Love. Now, The SIT (Small Insignificant Tribe) are after Islam to destroy another religion of Peace and Love.

    The only thing which feeds the SIT (Small Insignificant Tribe), is wars, wars and perpetual wars, while destroying the belief in Loving and Caring God.

    Agree that “they” are a small, arrogant, manipulative, self-absorbed, overrated tribe that SHOULD be insignificant. And they have indeed spent centuries harming and controlling Christians and Christian countries, including the USA.

    But on your other point, I’ve read the koran too much to buy the lull-us-to-sleep propaganda that islam is a peaceful religion. By its own terms, it is an ideology of conquest and subjugation.

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    But on your other point, I’ve read the koran too much to buy the lull-us-to-sleep propaganda that islam is a peaceful religion. By its own terms, it is an ideology of conquest and subjugation.

    Hi RadicalCenter,

    Thanks for agreeing about The SIT.

    You have not read The Real Quran, what you have read is translation/transliteration. Even The Real Quran is not in chronological order so to fit the agenda of the thugs.....

    Take Care!

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  178. @Jessica R
    Terror strikes by Muslims should be viewed in their contexts. For decades, the West has wreaked untold havoc on Muslim lands. In particular, two wars and more than a decade of sanctions against Iraq have caused hundreds of thousands of deaths and devastated what once was one of the most progressive societies in the Gulf region. Yes, Saddam Hussein was a bad guy, but the people who bore the brunt of the sanctions were innocent civilians, many of them children.

    The US backed Israel in its invasion and occupation of Lebanon, with tens of thousands dead.
    The US fomented violence in Libya and enforced brutal sanctions against Iran.

    The crimes in Iraq were committed by non--Muslims, mostly Christians and a few Jews. Any accusations of violence in Islam should take not onlly modern history into account but the many violent passages in the Christian Bible, some of which were used to justify the genocide of Native Americans.

    Since Islam has existed for approximately 1500 years and it has only been since 1992 or so that there have been Islamic terror attacks in the US, I suspect the underlying cause is not Islam per se but the violence the Muslim world has experienced at the hands of the US.

    On the other hand, since the US has brutalized Muslim countries for so long, a ban makes a certain sense. I don't want to become a terror victim because my government is criminal.

    Mostly agreed. But exactly what NEW Testament passages were ever used to justify slaughter of anyone?

    And by the way, the poor noble “native Americans” had no trouble raping, torturing, scalping, killing, and displacing each other before any of us bad old Europeans arrived. Every people has the land and resources that it has because they used violence against the people who were there before them, whatever their color or race or purported religion.

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    "I’m quite sympathetic to libertarianism if we can restore and sustain a culture and a people who are able to handle that level of individual liberty and individual responsibility reasonably well."

    In reality, any and all groups of people have the capability and skill to live by the universal concepts of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. See, you are on the horns of a dilemma. Now, there are some whites--I think they are called good whites--who believe that non-whites are other than skilled in completely assimilating into our culture. That would include your Filipino wife and your mixed offspring.

    That would mean you and they have to go back.

    On the other hand, there are other whites--I think they are called bad whites--who believe that indeed non-whites are equipped to immerse themselves in our society.

    In essence, you are trying to have your cake and eat it, too. See, maybe after all you are like those "bad whites"...
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  179. Che Guava says:
    @Alden
    Because Israel is in the middle east and the culture is middle eastern. Many starry eyed atheist liberal, advanced American Jews lived in Israel for a few years. But being liberal westerners just couldn't take the corruption and other middle eastern ways and returned to America.

    The middle eastern culture of Israel may be one reason why between 1/5 and 1/4 of Israeli Jews live in Europe and America. The other reason is that is is a lot easier to make a living in Europe and America, particularly if one is Sephardi or Mizrahi.

    Alden, I am thinking those ratios you are citing are wrong,

    From my reading, USA alone is hosting the roughly same numbers of Zionist jews as the non-arab population of Israel.

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  180. @RadicalCenter
    Agree that “they” are a small, arrogant, manipulative, self-absorbed, overrated tribe that SHOULD be insignificant. And they have indeed spent centuries harming and controlling Christians and Christian countries, including the USA.

    But on your other point, I’ve read the koran too much to buy the lull-us-to-sleep propaganda that islam is a peaceful religion. By its own terms, it is an ideology of conquest and subjugation.

    But on your other point, I’ve read the koran too much to buy the lull-us-to-sleep propaganda that islam is a peaceful religion. By its own terms, it is an ideology of conquest and subjugation.

    Hi RadicalCenter,

    Thanks for agreeing about The SIT.

    You have not read The Real Quran, what you have read is translation/transliteration. Even The Real Quran is not in chronological order so to fit the agenda of the thugs…..

    Take Care!

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  181. MEexpert says:
    @RadicalCenter
    You can try and read my comment again. People who make such wars can say they are Christian, but their conduct is not required by and is not countenanced by Christianity, by the weight of the words of Jesus.

    People calling themselves Christians but flouting Christianity utterly, have been killing needlessly and committing cruelties needlessly. They can’t find New Testament authority for their conduct.

    By contrast, Muslims can easily find justification for their unnecessary killing, cruelties, and oppression directly and clearly in the text of the koran.

    If the world followed the words of Jesus - whether he was divine / the son of God or not -how much less cruelty and needless nondefensive violence would there be? If the whole world followed the rantings of muhammad (disgrace be upon him), well, we can already see how cruel and hopeless the world would be.

    By contrast, Muslims can easily find justification for their unnecessary killing, cruelties, and oppression directly and clearly in the text of the koran.

    Christian feels that the New Testament gives them the moral superiority to commit any amount of mayhem in the world. If the Old Testament and the Qur’an preach violence then why do the morally superior Christians are duped into following the Old Testament (which is part of the Christian bible) and do the Jews bidding?

    The people who use Qur’an to carry out the acts of terrorism do not use it to promote Islam. It is used for political purpose. There are more than a billion Muslims around the world and the majority of them shout Allahu Akbar several times a day but that does not make them terrorists. Arabic is the richest language and words mean different things in different context. The translations, from any language, generally lose the original meanings of the author. In the case of Qur’an, the author is the all mighty Allah and no matter how well the translation, one cannot grasp the true intent behind each and every word of the All Mighty.

    If the whole world followed the rantings of muhammad (disgrace be upon him), well, we can already see how cruel and hopeless the world would be.

    I probably should not have bothered to reply your post after reading this statement, because it is a statement of an ignorant and bigoted man. But I am doing it exactly because of the teachings of Muhammad (Peace be upon him). He taught us to treat even a person like you with kindness.

    I don’t know whose translation of Qur’an you have read or even have read any at all but I will give you a website that you should visit.

    https://www.al-islam.org/

    If you really want to learn about Islam, I suggest you visit this site with open mind. You will find all kinds of books (Qur’an, translation in various language, its tafsir, books of hadith, and history of Islam) on this site. You can search by topics. It may change your mind about Islam and learn to respect it as a peaceful religion that it is.

    Also, please go back and read my original post.

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  182. My solution, completely consistent with the Non-Aggression Principle, is to make America a VERY uncomfortable place for devout Muslims to live. First, get rid of any anti-discrimination protection based on religion (all such protections must go but this is a start) because religion is a CHOICE. No welfare for immigrants, of course, especially not refugees. (Or perhaps make it conditional on their women working outside the home.) Then let’s have monthly “Draw Mohammad” contests, TV shows and musicals based on the Satanic Verses, and billboards that say “The Prophet was a Pedophile.” Furthermore, all businesses institutions, private and public, should insist, for safety reasons, that all faces be uncovered. No women in masks admitted! If conservative Muslims don’t like here after these changes, I would gladly donate to a foundation to relocate them back in some Islamic country.

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    "Furthermore, all businesses institutions, private and public, should insist, for safety reasons, that all faces be uncovered. No women in masks admitted!"

    So what are the crime statistics of masked Muslim women who commit crimes that risk public safety in these institutions that warrant your extreme, and ultimately unrealistic, "solution"?
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  183. Rurik says:
    @Grandpa Charlie

    we need to ban all foreigners from immigrating to this country until we have assimilated the ones that are here, and sent back the ones who don’t want to assimilate

    that would be logical, moral, ethical. practical and rational

    indeed, it would be immoral, unethical, impractical and irrational to pretend that all these millions of (often hostile) foreigners from every corner of the planet should be allowed to continue to pour in.

    That is insane and unsustainable and will destroy the already frayed fabric of this nation.

    -- Rurik
     

    I don't know, Rurik, about the shooting war between us 'deplorables' and ... what do I call them? .... the idiots, I guess.

    Anyway, here's a practical and rational suggestion to put forward as part of a legislative pro gram to be enactrd by Congress.in order to reform our politic and restore our national greatness --

    In future all legal immigration shall be authorized by acts of Congress which shall identify persons to be admitted into the USA individually by name. all of whom shall be additionally identified by finger printing and/or DNA identification. Foreigners whether residents or not, if wanting to become citizens shall apply to member(s) of Congress. If member(s) of Congress approve of such person(s), then they may sponsor them by including them in an act of Congress.

    In that way, members of Congress can be held responsible.

    That is insane and unsustainable and will destroy the already frayed fabric of this nation.

    We’re rapidly heading to the point where the divide between the deplorables

    vs.

    the Antifa, BLM, La Raza, LGBT, Chucky Shumer, Hillary, Radical Islam, SPLC, ADL, ((media)), shitlibs and all the other butt hurts who hate white America with every butt-hurt breath they take…

    is going to become a shooting war, rather than just a simmering hate-fest

    I don’t know, Rurik, about the shooting war between us ‘deplorables’ and … what do I call them? …. the idiots, I guess.

    well gramps, as others have pointed out..

    June: Bernie Bro shoots Congressmen at baseball practice
    Sept: Refugee shoots church attendees in Tennessee
    Oct: Registered Dem kills 60 at country music concert
    Nov: Atheist kills 27 attending Baptist Church

    This country is already embroiled in a civil war, but only one side is participating yet.

    did we even hear about the Tennessee church?

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/24/multiple-people-shot-at-tennessee-church-police-say.html

    and it seems Rand Paul has suffered five broken ribs by a cowardly (aren’t they always) attack by a shitlib neighbor

    they’ve been so indoctrinated with the bromides of equalism and grievance against the irredemables and deplorables, that their rage is manifesting in murderous butt hurt on acid.

    Obama wasn’t just a president to these triggered shitlibs and identity politics dregs

    he was a LGBT, BLM, femiNazi, La Raza, shitlib messiah

    a feel-good, whitey comeuppance, validation of their mediocrity as a medal of honor, and a pretext to feel good about themselves for their bovine, in-your-face mediocrity, as if that was the new greatness of our time

    Think Laura Dunham, or Colon Kapernick, or Travon, or Michel Brown..

    is this not the very quintessential face of butt hurt, shitlib mediocrity?

    I know liberals

    they are inconsolable. They’re in a near catatonic state of crunched fetal position angst – at the loss of their black messiah as potus, and the ascendancy of the deplorables (racists) and their blond haired, alpha white guy fuhrer, who- with homophobic, fellow alpha white guy Vlad Putin, pulled off a coup.

    it’s nothing less than existential for them

    everything they’ve been taught their entire, precious, snowflake lives is that American, CIS, Christian white man is guilty and evil – because they’re racist (and homophobic, etc..). And finally they had their messiah to make everything right with the world,

    only to see it all undone by Trump and those damnable Christian homophobes and conservative racists [redundant on both counts] who want to ban immigrants from righting everything that’s always been wrong with America from day one – racist white [redundant] men.

    this is nothing less than existential for shitlibs and black supremacists and ugly radical femNazis

    in their id of ids, they’d all like to see white, racist country music fans mowed down by the score with the same hate-weapons they menace innocent black thugs with everyday; the racist AR15

    Christians at homophobic service slaughtered between the pews must be a powerful panacea for their rage

    Basically they’re an army that the Jews have been grooming for generations now. With shows like Roots and Archie Bunker and a thousand Holocaust references and a million subtle and not-so-subtle media and k-12 and academia programming of how evil all white men congenitally are.

    we’ve all seen it, and see it daily

    every year there’s a dozen or so movies they put out to demonize white men as slavers and evil Nazis or homophobes

    just look at what they’ve done to the id of these people

    this isn’t a debate over tax rates or foreign policy, this is raw, pure, visceral race-hate

    and it’s not going to end well..

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    "is this not the very quintessential face of butt hurt, shitlib mediocrity?"

    Exactly the type of statement an individual makes who utterly has contempt for the human race.
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  184. CalDre says:
    @KenH
    Who cares whether a Muslim ban passes the libertarian litmus test? That should be the least of our concerns. Since most libertarians have a strictly economic and material outlook on life they probably think that ISIS arose because of high inflation and economic hardship in Iraq and that they just want honest money and freely flowing goods and services.

    The main question for a sane white person with healthy racial instincts is, is continued Muslim immigration into the West in the interests of white people? Is it good or bad for the white race?

    The answer is obvious.

    According to reports this Uzbeki Muslim terrorist became radicalized after he arrived in the U.S. which means the "extreme vetting" Trump's been tweet storming about would be absolutely worthless and not prevent any terrorist attacks. But I'm sure this lesson is lost on the blowhard billionaire and his feckless entourage. It also means Muslims don't magically become "Americanized" and "de-radicalized" by eating American junk food and watching stupid and soulless television shows and movies.

    The doctrines of the Islamic religion are the problem. Each side can hurl quotations from the Koran and other Islamic texts back and forth to prove their case but the fact remains that some, quite possibly more than some, Muslims do interpret the Koran as providing a religious framework for perpetual warfare against infidels/non-Muslims. And that will never change despite the soothsaying and assurances of "moderate" Muslims and ignorant, treasonous and politically correct Western elites and pundits.

    There's many stories of religiously indifferent Muslims morphing into stark raving jihadists within days or even a 24hr period.

    You don't read any stories about Christians, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists and Shintoists becoming radicalized on a whim by their religious texts or by coreligionists and I don't think the latter four belong in Western nations either. These groups have their own nations as do Muslims. Whites don't.

    Being a hateful person has its advantages as you don’t have to think about things. You just let your irrational side of the brain take control and run the ship.

    Every, and I mean every, culture, ideology, whatever has radicals that kill others. We just saw it in a Texas Church. Was that guy Muslim? I don’t think so.

    The number of radicals in any group increases as the amount of attacks they sustain increases. Muslims have been under attack by the West, ceaselessly, since the West destroyed the quite stable Ottoman Empire to make room for Israel to dominate the world.

    Granted I agree that Muslims shouldn’t mass immigrate to the US, any more than I think Whites should mass immigrate to the ME. To each his own. But the problem is that the “West”, under globalist/Zionist tutelage, has been mass immigrating to the ME – but with guns, bombs and tanks rather than for trade and friendship. And this has radicalized many people. Now every person who is mad and angry seeks to justify their anger and hatred and find some justification for it. Since in the ME Muslim is the dominant ideology, they look for it in there. And they can find it – just like Christians can find rationales to destroy ME countries and murder 100,000s in the ME for no reason in their books. Indeed Evangelicals are the biggest proponents of mass murder in the ME.

    So stay objective. People who are attacked will fight back, regardless of their ideology – the pacifists were annihilated (largely by Christian Whites) long ago.

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    { since the West destroyed the quite stable Ottoman Empire to make room for Israel to dominate the world.}

    The so-called 'stable' Ottoman Empire was created on death and destruction of indigenous Christian civilizations on Asia minor (Armenian, Assyrian, Pontic Greek), and subjugation and enslavement of Greeks (in Greece) and Christian peoples in the Balkans.

    Christians were 2nd class subjects of Ottoman invaders, whose predecessors, Seljuk Turks, invaded from East and Central Asia: they were savage nomad Muslim mass-murderers.
    Over centuries the Turk invaders looted, burnt, destroyed, murdered, stole the children of murdered Christians, stole their culture, stole their wealth,......everything.

    Sultan Hamid massacred ~300,000 (Christian) Armenians in 1894-1896.
    In 1909 another ~30,000 Christian Armenians were massacred by Muslim Turks.
    By circa 1915, Asia Minor which was almost 100% Christian, was reduced to about 25% Christian in Ottoman Turkey. And in 1915-1923 Muslim Turks and their Muslim Kurd collaborators completed the process of wiping out the indigenous Christians of Asia Minor by committing a Genocide of Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks. About 4 million Christians were exterminated by your Muslim co-religionists.

    {West destroyed the quite stable Ottoman Empire.....}

    The Ottoman Empire, already creaking, destroyed itself when it decided to attack Russia upon urging of its WW1 ally Germany. Germany and OT lost the war to England, France, and Russia. Good riddance to the criminal empire. Too bad the genocidal 99% Muslim state of Turkey is still around.

    Muslims have been invading Christian lands, ethnically cleansing, massacring, murdering, looting, burning, forcibly Islamzing Christians since they escaped their base in the Arabian peninsula.
    , @KenH
    Dr. Dre,
    For you to characterize my post as "hateful" means you failed to objectively assess my comments or there were facts that you can't contradict.

    Every, and I mean every, culture, ideology, whatever has radicals that kill others. We just saw it in a Texas Church. Was that guy Muslim? I don’t think so.
     
    America has its own nut jobs and fanatics to contend with, white or other, and my point is that we don't need to import the Muslim world's fanatics to add to our mix.

    The number of radicals in any group increases as the amount of attacks they sustain increases.
     
    Is this the Dr. Dre theorem? If so, then since whites are being attacked 24/7/365 you'll passively accept and condone white right wing violence when it is unleashed throughout America and Europe, right?

    Muslims in America and Europe are not being attacked in any way shape or form. Yet some are choosing to avenge their overseas umma by killing Americans and Europeans in accordance with their interpretation of the Koran. Buddhist Vietnamese refugees didn't launch terrorist attacks in America over the two million of their fellow countrymen who died as a result of the Vietnam war.


    Muslims have been under attack by the West, ceaselessly, since the West destroyed the quite stable Ottoman Empire to make room for Israel to dominate the world.
     
    I think you need a history lesson. From the seventh century when Islam first appeared until 1683 it was the armies of Islam that were invading, enslaving, subjugating and converting non-Muslim lands and peoples. Spain and the rest of Europe were the only areas who successfully rebuffed Muslim incursions and eliminated the Muslim threat to European Christendom for good in 1683. The Ottoman empire provided some stability but they were reviled even by the Arabs.

    Europe colonized some Muslim nations in the 19th century then decolonized them in the 20th century. Mossadegh of Iran was overthrown in 1953 but then the Iranians overthrew the Western installed Shah in 1979 and have been independent ever since. USA attacked Iraq in 1990 but quickly withdrew and didn't occupy the country until 2003. There's many gaps in this "ceaseless" war of the West against Islam.


    And they can find it – just like Christians can find rationales to destroy ME countries and murder 100,000s in the ME for no reason in their books.
     
    Muslim posters on Unz like to toss this claim around to gain leverage in debates, but can never offer evidence that, as a rule, most Christians are citing OT or NT scripture to justify and continue the wars in the Middle East. Jewish, not Christian, activism led to the wars in the Middle East starting in 1990 and Catholic Charities and other Christian groups having been providing resetteltment assistance to Muslim refugees in America. Which Muslim groups are assisting Christian refugees?

    So stay objective. People who are attacked will fight back, regardless of their ideology – the pacifists were annihilated (largely by Christian Whites) long ago.
     
    Objectivity appears to be your problem, not mine. Please provide link to stories of how white Christians annihilated all the peaceful and pacifistic Muslims long ago leaving only the fire breathing Wahhabists who would otherwise be peaceful if not for "ceaseless" Western aggression.
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  185. Avery says:
    @CalDre
    Being a hateful person has its advantages as you don't have to think about things. You just let your irrational side of the brain take control and run the ship.

    Every, and I mean every, culture, ideology, whatever has radicals that kill others. We just saw it in a Texas Church. Was that guy Muslim? I don't think so.

    The number of radicals in any group increases as the amount of attacks they sustain increases. Muslims have been under attack by the West, ceaselessly, since the West destroyed the quite stable Ottoman Empire to make room for Israel to dominate the world.

    Granted I agree that Muslims shouldn't mass immigrate to the US, any more than I think Whites should mass immigrate to the ME. To each his own. But the problem is that the "West", under globalist/Zionist tutelage, has been mass immigrating to the ME - but with guns, bombs and tanks rather than for trade and friendship. And this has radicalized many people. Now every person who is mad and angry seeks to justify their anger and hatred and find some justification for it. Since in the ME Muslim is the dominant ideology, they look for it in there. And they can find it - just like Christians can find rationales to destroy ME countries and murder 100,000s in the ME for no reason in their books. Indeed Evangelicals are the biggest proponents of mass murder in the ME.

    So stay objective. People who are attacked will fight back, regardless of their ideology - the pacifists were annihilated (largely by Christian Whites) long ago.

    { since the West destroyed the quite stable Ottoman Empire to make room for Israel to dominate the world.}

    The so-called ‘stable’ Ottoman Empire was created on death and destruction of indigenous Christian civilizations on Asia minor (Armenian, Assyrian, Pontic Greek), and subjugation and enslavement of Greeks (in Greece) and Christian peoples in the Balkans.

    Christians were 2nd class subjects of Ottoman invaders, whose predecessors, Seljuk Turks, invaded from East and Central Asia: they were savage nomad Muslim mass-murderers.
    Over centuries the Turk invaders looted, burnt, destroyed, murdered, stole the children of murdered Christians, stole their culture, stole their wealth,……everything.

    Sultan Hamid massacred ~300,000 (Christian) Armenians in 1894-1896.
    In 1909 another ~30,000 Christian Armenians were massacred by Muslim Turks.
    By circa 1915, Asia Minor which was almost 100% Christian, was reduced to about 25% Christian in Ottoman Turkey. And in 1915-1923 Muslim Turks and their Muslim Kurd collaborators completed the process of wiping out the indigenous Christians of Asia Minor by committing a Genocide of Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks. About 4 million Christians were exterminated by your Muslim co-religionists.

    {West destroyed the quite stable Ottoman Empire…..}

    The Ottoman Empire, already creaking, destroyed itself when it decided to attack Russia upon urging of its WW1 ally Germany. Germany and OT lost the war to England, France, and Russia. Good riddance to the criminal empire. Too bad the genocidal 99% Muslim state of Turkey is still around.

    Muslims have been invading Christian lands, ethnically cleansing, massacring, murdering, looting, burning, forcibly Islamzing Christians since they escaped their base in the Arabian peninsula.

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    "Muslims have been invading Christian lands, ethnically cleansing, massacring, murdering, looting, burning, forcibly Islamzing Christians since they escaped their base in the Arabian peninsula."

    Christians and Jews have been invading non-Christian and non-Jew lands, ethically cleansing, massacring, murdering, looting, burning, and forcibly converting people since they escaped their based in the Middle East.
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  186. Corvinus says:
    @Fidelios Automata
    My solution, completely consistent with the Non-Aggression Principle, is to make America a VERY uncomfortable place for devout Muslims to live. First, get rid of any anti-discrimination protection based on religion (all such protections must go but this is a start) because religion is a CHOICE. No welfare for immigrants, of course, especially not refugees. (Or perhaps make it conditional on their women working outside the home.) Then let's have monthly "Draw Mohammad" contests, TV shows and musicals based on the Satanic Verses, and billboards that say "The Prophet was a Pedophile." Furthermore, all businesses institutions, private and public, should insist, for safety reasons, that all faces be uncovered. No women in masks admitted! If conservative Muslims don't like here after these changes, I would gladly donate to a foundation to relocate them back in some Islamic country.

    “Furthermore, all businesses institutions, private and public, should insist, for safety reasons, that all faces be uncovered. No women in masks admitted!”

    So what are the crime statistics of masked Muslim women who commit crimes that risk public safety in these institutions that warrant your extreme, and ultimately unrealistic, “solution”?

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    I don’t know the statistics, but I suspect that some unscrupulous criminals might take advantage of the whole situation and start wearing burkas in the process of committing the most violent crimes.

    And the police would be powerless to stop them for fear of offending someone’s religious sensibilities. I just don’t want to see the criminal opportunists smearing and demeaning what is otherwise a very peaceful, very warm and loving religion.
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  187. Corvinus says:
    @Avery
    { since the West destroyed the quite stable Ottoman Empire to make room for Israel to dominate the world.}

    The so-called 'stable' Ottoman Empire was created on death and destruction of indigenous Christian civilizations on Asia minor (Armenian, Assyrian, Pontic Greek), and subjugation and enslavement of Greeks (in Greece) and Christian peoples in the Balkans.

    Christians were 2nd class subjects of Ottoman invaders, whose predecessors, Seljuk Turks, invaded from East and Central Asia: they were savage nomad Muslim mass-murderers.
    Over centuries the Turk invaders looted, burnt, destroyed, murdered, stole the children of murdered Christians, stole their culture, stole their wealth,......everything.

    Sultan Hamid massacred ~300,000 (Christian) Armenians in 1894-1896.
    In 1909 another ~30,000 Christian Armenians were massacred by Muslim Turks.
    By circa 1915, Asia Minor which was almost 100% Christian, was reduced to about 25% Christian in Ottoman Turkey. And in 1915-1923 Muslim Turks and their Muslim Kurd collaborators completed the process of wiping out the indigenous Christians of Asia Minor by committing a Genocide of Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks. About 4 million Christians were exterminated by your Muslim co-religionists.

    {West destroyed the quite stable Ottoman Empire.....}

    The Ottoman Empire, already creaking, destroyed itself when it decided to attack Russia upon urging of its WW1 ally Germany. Germany and OT lost the war to England, France, and Russia. Good riddance to the criminal empire. Too bad the genocidal 99% Muslim state of Turkey is still around.

    Muslims have been invading Christian lands, ethnically cleansing, massacring, murdering, looting, burning, forcibly Islamzing Christians since they escaped their base in the Arabian peninsula.

    “Muslims have been invading Christian lands, ethnically cleansing, massacring, murdering, looting, burning, forcibly Islamzing Christians since they escaped their base in the Arabian peninsula.”

    Christians and Jews have been invading non-Christian and non-Jew lands, ethically cleansing, massacring, murdering, looting, burning, and forcibly converting people since they escaped their based in the Middle East.

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  188. Corvinus says:
    @Rurik


    That is insane and unsustainable and will destroy the already frayed fabric of this nation.

    We’re rapidly heading to the point where the divide between the deplorables

    vs.

    the Antifa, BLM, La Raza, LGBT, Chucky Shumer, Hillary, Radical Islam, SPLC, ADL, ((media)), shitlibs and all the other butt hurts who hate white America with every butt-hurt breath they take…

    is going to become a shooting war, rather than just a simmering hate-fest
     
    I don’t know, Rurik, about the shooting war between us ‘deplorables’ and … what do I call them? …. the idiots, I guess.
     
    well gramps, as others have pointed out..

    June: Bernie Bro shoots Congressmen at baseball practice
    Sept: Refugee shoots church attendees in Tennessee
    Oct: Registered Dem kills 60 at country music concert
    Nov: Atheist kills 27 attending Baptist Church

    This country is already embroiled in a civil war, but only one side is participating yet.
     
    did we even hear about the Tennessee church?

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/24/multiple-people-shot-at-tennessee-church-police-say.html

    and it seems Rand Paul has suffered five broken ribs by a cowardly (aren't they always) attack by a shitlib neighbor

    they've been so indoctrinated with the bromides of equalism and grievance against the irredemables and deplorables, that their rage is manifesting in murderous butt hurt on acid.

    Obama wasn't just a president to these triggered shitlibs and identity politics dregs

    he was a LGBT, BLM, femiNazi, La Raza, shitlib messiah

    a feel-good, whitey comeuppance, validation of their mediocrity as a medal of honor, and a pretext to feel good about themselves for their bovine, in-your-face mediocrity, as if that was the new greatness of our time

    Think Laura Dunham, or Colon Kapernick, or Travon, or Michel Brown..

    is this not the very quintessential face of butt hurt, shitlib mediocrity?

    https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/devin-kelly-3.jpg

    I know liberals

    they are inconsolable. They're in a near catatonic state of crunched fetal position angst - at the loss of their black messiah as potus, and the ascendancy of the deplorables (racists) and their blond haired, alpha white guy fuhrer, who- with homophobic, fellow alpha white guy Vlad Putin, pulled off a coup.

    it's nothing less than existential for them

    everything they've been taught their entire, precious, snowflake lives is that American, CIS, Christian white man is guilty and evil - because they're racist (and homophobic, etc..). And finally they had their messiah to make everything right with the world,

    http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/BA5fuj6CQAAvSE9.jpeg

    only to see it all undone by Trump and those damnable Christian homophobes and conservative racists [redundant on both counts] who want to ban immigrants from righting everything that's always been wrong with America from day one - racist white [redundant] men.

    this is nothing less than existential for shitlibs and black supremacists and ugly radical femNazis

    http://mygaming.co.za/news/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Andrea-Dworkin.jpg

    http://www.bizpacreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Michael-Moore-1.jpg

    in their id of ids, they'd all like to see white, racist country music fans mowed down by the score with the same hate-weapons they menace innocent black thugs with everyday; the racist AR15

    Christians at homophobic service slaughtered between the pews must be a powerful panacea for their rage

    Basically they're an army that the Jews have been grooming for generations now. With shows like Roots and Archie Bunker and a thousand Holocaust references and a million subtle and not-so-subtle media and k-12 and academia programming of how evil all white men congenitally are.

    we've all seen it, and see it daily

    every year there's a dozen or so movies they put out to demonize white men as slavers and evil Nazis or homophobes

    just look at what they've done to the id of these people

    https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AydR1ivmFw8/WIPqEdwvgbI/AAAAAAAAGRs/X5m_-2qeMLoJgsiXnYWSoaswWSBbEUR8ACLcB/s640/Ashley%2BJudd%2B-%2BWomen%2527s%2BMarch.png

    this isn't a debate over tax rates or foreign policy, this is raw, pure, visceral race-hate

    and it's not going to end well..

    “is this not the very quintessential face of butt hurt, shitlib mediocrity?”

    Exactly the type of statement an individual makes who utterly has contempt for the human race.

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    utterly has contempt for the human race.
     
    no dickwad

    my contempt is for those pathetic little shitlibs who would go into a church and open fire on men, women and children out of a twisted sense of their own vainglorious greatness, (and a raging butt hurt at the world/God/providence- for having created them to be what they are), particularly when compared to the people in that church, who were most likely loving and normal and moral, for the most part.

    That is what I have contempt for Corvy

    and why is it so many of these monsters look like absolute losers?

    http://digitalmajority.com/wp-content/uploads/1509500826_nyc-terrorism-suspect-left-behind-notes-pledging-isis-loyalty-tmz.jpg

    so yea shitlib, often times shitlibs- full of hatred and wrath for Christians and conservatives actually look the part.

    don't you find that a curiosity?

    if a crazed, zombie-eyed loser were to walk into your gun store, and ask to see 'an assault type of weapon', wouldn't you perhaps call the authorities if he walked out with an AR15 or something?

    http://morpheusatloppers.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/james-eagan-holmes.jpg?w=570&h=712

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  189. Corvinus says:
    @RadicalCenter
    Mostly agreed. But exactly what NEW Testament passages were ever used to justify slaughter of anyone?

    And by the way, the poor noble “native Americans” had no trouble raping, torturing, scalping, killing, and displacing each other before any of us bad old Europeans arrived. Every people has the land and resources that it has because they used violence against the people who were there before them, whatever their color or race or purported religion.

    “I’m quite sympathetic to libertarianism if we can restore and sustain a culture and a people who are able to handle that level of individual liberty and individual responsibility reasonably well.”

    In reality, any and all groups of people have the capability and skill to live by the universal concepts of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. See, you are on the horns of a dilemma. Now, there are some whites–I think they are called good whites–who believe that non-whites are other than skilled in completely assimilating into our culture. That would include your Filipino wife and your mixed offspring.

    That would mean you and they have to go back.

    On the other hand, there are other whites–I think they are called bad whites–who believe that indeed non-whites are equipped to immerse themselves in our society.

    In essence, you are trying to have your cake and eat it, too. See, maybe after all you are like those “bad whites”…

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  190. Cyrano says:
    @Corvinus
    "Furthermore, all businesses institutions, private and public, should insist, for safety reasons, that all faces be uncovered. No women in masks admitted!"

    So what are the crime statistics of masked Muslim women who commit crimes that risk public safety in these institutions that warrant your extreme, and ultimately unrealistic, "solution"?

    I don’t know the statistics, but I suspect that some unscrupulous criminals might take advantage of the whole situation and start wearing burkas in the process of committing the most violent crimes.

    And the police would be powerless to stop them for fear of offending someone’s religious sensibilities. I just don’t want to see the criminal opportunists smearing and demeaning what is otherwise a very peaceful, very warm and loving religion.

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  191. KenH says:
    @CalDre
    Being a hateful person has its advantages as you don't have to think about things. You just let your irrational side of the brain take control and run the ship.

    Every, and I mean every, culture, ideology, whatever has radicals that kill others. We just saw it in a Texas Church. Was that guy Muslim? I don't think so.

    The number of radicals in any group increases as the amount of attacks they sustain increases. Muslims have been under attack by the West, ceaselessly, since the West destroyed the quite stable Ottoman Empire to make room for Israel to dominate the world.

    Granted I agree that Muslims shouldn't mass immigrate to the US, any more than I think Whites should mass immigrate to the ME. To each his own. But the problem is that the "West", under globalist/Zionist tutelage, has been mass immigrating to the ME - but with guns, bombs and tanks rather than for trade and friendship. And this has radicalized many people. Now every person who is mad and angry seeks to justify their anger and hatred and find some justification for it. Since in the ME Muslim is the dominant ideology, they look for it in there. And they can find it - just like Christians can find rationales to destroy ME countries and murder 100,000s in the ME for no reason in their books. Indeed Evangelicals are the biggest proponents of mass murder in the ME.

    So stay objective. People who are attacked will fight back, regardless of their ideology - the pacifists were annihilated (largely by Christian Whites) long ago.

    Dr. Dre,
    For you to characterize my post as “hateful” means you failed to objectively assess my comments or there were facts that you can’t contradict.

    Every, and I mean every, culture, ideology, whatever has radicals that kill others. We just saw it in a Texas Church. Was that guy Muslim? I don’t think so.

    America has its own nut jobs and fanatics to contend with, white or other, and my point is that we don’t need to import the Muslim world’s fanatics to add to our mix.

    The number of radicals in any group increases as the amount of attacks they sustain increases.

    Is this the Dr. Dre theorem? If so, then since whites are being attacked 24/7/365 you’ll passively accept and condone white right wing violence when it is unleashed throughout America and Europe, right?

    Muslims in America and Europe are not being attacked in any way shape or form. Yet some are choosing to avenge their overseas umma by killing Americans and Europeans in accordance with their interpretation of the Koran. Buddhist Vietnamese refugees didn’t launch terrorist attacks in America over the two million of their fellow countrymen who died as a result of the Vietnam war.

    Muslims have been under attack by the West, ceaselessly, since the West destroyed the quite stable Ottoman Empire to make room for Israel to dominate the world.

    I think you need a history lesson. From the seventh century when Islam first appeared until 1683 it was the armies of Islam that were invading, enslaving, subjugating and converting non-Muslim lands and peoples. Spain and the rest of Europe were the only areas who successfully rebuffed Muslim incursions and eliminated the Muslim threat to European Christendom for good in 1683. The Ottoman empire provided some stability but they were reviled even by the Arabs.

    Europe colonized some Muslim nations in the 19th century then decolonized them in the 20th century. Mossadegh of Iran was overthrown in 1953 but then the Iranians overthrew the Western installed Shah in 1979 and have been independent ever since. USA attacked Iraq in 1990 but quickly withdrew and didn’t occupy the country until 2003. There’s many gaps in this “ceaseless” war of the West against Islam.

    And they can find it – just like Christians can find rationales to destroy ME countries and murder 100,000s in the ME for no reason in their books.

    Muslim posters on Unz like to toss this claim around to gain leverage in debates, but can never offer evidence that, as a rule, most Christians are citing OT or NT scripture to justify and continue the wars in the Middle East. Jewish, not Christian, activism led to the wars in the Middle East starting in 1990 and Catholic Charities and other Christian groups having been providing resetteltment assistance to Muslim refugees in America. Which Muslim groups are assisting Christian refugees?

    So stay objective. People who are attacked will fight back, regardless of their ideology – the pacifists were annihilated (largely by Christian Whites) long ago.

    Objectivity appears to be your problem, not mine. Please provide link to stories of how white Christians annihilated all the peaceful and pacifistic Muslims long ago leaving only the fire breathing Wahhabists who would otherwise be peaceful if not for “ceaseless” Western aggression.

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    groups having been providing resetteltment assistance to Muslim refugees in America.
     
    Should read "resettlement", but the new software changes don't always accept the edits.
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  192. KenH says:
    @KenH
    Dr. Dre,
    For you to characterize my post as "hateful" means you failed to objectively assess my comments or there were facts that you can't contradict.

    Every, and I mean every, culture, ideology, whatever has radicals that kill others. We just saw it in a Texas Church. Was that guy Muslim? I don’t think so.
     
    America has its own nut jobs and fanatics to contend with, white or other, and my point is that we don't need to import the Muslim world's fanatics to add to our mix.

    The number of radicals in any group increases as the amount of attacks they sustain increases.
     
    Is this the Dr. Dre theorem? If so, then since whites are being attacked 24/7/365 you'll passively accept and condone white right wing violence when it is unleashed throughout America and Europe, right?

    Muslims in America and Europe are not being attacked in any way shape or form. Yet some are choosing to avenge their overseas umma by killing Americans and Europeans in accordance with their interpretation of the Koran. Buddhist Vietnamese refugees didn't launch terrorist attacks in America over the two million of their fellow countrymen who died as a result of the Vietnam war.


    Muslims have been under attack by the West, ceaselessly, since the West destroyed the quite stable Ottoman Empire to make room for Israel to dominate the world.
     
    I think you need a history lesson. From the seventh century when Islam first appeared until 1683 it was the armies of Islam that were invading, enslaving, subjugating and converting non-Muslim lands and peoples. Spain and the rest of Europe were the only areas who successfully rebuffed Muslim incursions and eliminated the Muslim threat to European Christendom for good in 1683. The Ottoman empire provided some stability but they were reviled even by the Arabs.

    Europe colonized some Muslim nations in the 19th century then decolonized them in the 20th century. Mossadegh of Iran was overthrown in 1953 but then the Iranians overthrew the Western installed Shah in 1979 and have been independent ever since. USA attacked Iraq in 1990 but quickly withdrew and didn't occupy the country until 2003. There's many gaps in this "ceaseless" war of the West against Islam.


    And they can find it – just like Christians can find rationales to destroy ME countries and murder 100,000s in the ME for no reason in their books.
     
    Muslim posters on Unz like to toss this claim around to gain leverage in debates, but can never offer evidence that, as a rule, most Christians are citing OT or NT scripture to justify and continue the wars in the Middle East. Jewish, not Christian, activism led to the wars in the Middle East starting in 1990 and Catholic Charities and other Christian groups having been providing resetteltment assistance to Muslim refugees in America. Which Muslim groups are assisting Christian refugees?

    So stay objective. People who are attacked will fight back, regardless of their ideology – the pacifists were annihilated (largely by Christian Whites) long ago.
     
    Objectivity appears to be your problem, not mine. Please provide link to stories of how white Christians annihilated all the peaceful and pacifistic Muslims long ago leaving only the fire breathing Wahhabists who would otherwise be peaceful if not for "ceaseless" Western aggression.

    groups having been providing resetteltment assistance to Muslim refugees in America.

    Should read “resettlement”, but the new software changes don’t always accept the edits.

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  193. @Haxo Angmark
    a ban on Zionists is logical, moral, even libertarian.

    in fact, it’s long past time

    for Ilana to make aliyah

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  194. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @RadicalCenter
    You can try and read my comment again. People who make such wars can say they are Christian, but their conduct is not required by and is not countenanced by Christianity, by the weight of the words of Jesus.

    People calling themselves Christians but flouting Christianity utterly, have been killing needlessly and committing cruelties needlessly. They can’t find New Testament authority for their conduct.

    By contrast, Muslims can easily find justification for their unnecessary killing, cruelties, and oppression directly and clearly in the text of the koran.

    If the world followed the words of Jesus - whether he was divine / the son of God or not -how much less cruelty and needless nondefensive violence would there be? If the whole world followed the rantings of muhammad (disgrace be upon him), well, we can already see how cruel and hopeless the world would be.

    If the world followed the words of Jesus”

    You know neither history and he will never learn logic , common sense, and psychology .

    1 First ask those who didn’t follow and what happened to them at the hands of those who claimed to follow the Jesus.
    2 Can you find one Christian I can relate to – Esuebius ? Jerome? Constantine’. Martin Luthrr? John Locke? Hitler? Bush Jr? Dobson.? Theresa ?

    3 there are otherwise good people who stupidly try to explain that the ME was ruthlessly converted at sword to Muslim religion because before that ME was Christian . What a BS!!

    4 May be Armenia and Nordic countries were converted by force and torutre to Christianity . May be Latin America but not S Korea nor Ethiopia . Muslim just like Christianity followed different trajectories . But no where it was violently imposed on .

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  195. Rurik says:
    @Corvinus
    "is this not the very quintessential face of butt hurt, shitlib mediocrity?"

    Exactly the type of statement an individual makes who utterly has contempt for the human race.

    utterly has contempt for the human race.

    no dickwad

    my contempt is for those pathetic little shitlibs who would go into a church and open fire on men, women and children out of a twisted sense of their own vainglorious greatness, (and a raging butt hurt at the world/God/providence- for having created them to be what they are), particularly when compared to the people in that church, who were most likely loving and normal and moral, for the most part.

    That is what I have contempt for Corvy

    and why is it so many of these monsters look like absolute losers?

    so yea shitlib, often times shitlibs- full of hatred and wrath for Christians and conservatives actually look the part.

    don’t you find that a curiosity?

    if a crazed, zombie-eyed loser were to walk into your gun store, and ask to see ‘an assault type of weapon’, wouldn’t you perhaps call the authorities if he walked out with an AR15 or something?

    http://morpheusatloppers.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/james-eagan-holmes.jpg?w=570&h=712

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  196. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Avery
    {You forgot George (God told me) W. Bush, the born again Christian president.}

    In name only.

    Gee Dubya is no Christian, not in any meaningful sense of the word.
    He was/is a dim-wit man-child that spouted all sorts of 'gems', without understanding what they mean.

    The Bush, & Cheney, & Blair anti-Christian gang are responsible for destroying one of the oldest continuous Christian communities in the world that traces its roots to biblical times: Iraqi Christians.

    These Godless reptiles* go halfway around the world to maim, kill, and murder innocent civilians then joke about it:

    [George W. Bush - jokes about weapons of mass destruction ]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5YgJx8VGRA


    _______

    * in reference to the old TV series "V", where aliens had the appearance of humans, but underneath were lizards of some sort.

    Suddenly he is not a Christian !!!

    The guy grew among Christians, got married according to the norms set by church and Chrsitian society that he grew up with. He went to Church . He found God and quit drinking in 1990
    He believed in Good and Evil – Mag and Gog ( or whatever that shit is)
    He believed he was ordered by God to bring freedom ,end tyranny, . His most vocal supporters were religious America – common folks and big mega denomination and Evangelic.

    His acolyte from Bobkyn to Graham and closet Chrstian profiled New Yorker magazine believed that God chose him to fight against evil represented by Islam

    Just like your simpleton- worthy moronic argument that ME was converted to Islam by force against wishes of the citizen , this argument to separate Bush and his mad dog millions supporters from Christiany is self serving deceitful and fact free .

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  197. Basic philosophical contradiction that is destroying US society!
    Success of US political and economic system was based on individualism and individual responsibility.
    But colored and religious minorities have a strong affinity to collectivize. And that spells death to US society. (Or maybe just a civil war after collectivization whites will occur also.)

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