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The white man who runs Google

The white man who runs Google

The above graph shows the diversity of Silicon Valley firms. There is an under-representation of black Americans and people of Latino cultural backgrounds. But there are many people of Asian ethnic origins. Since “Asians,” defined as people who inhabit the sweep of land between the Indus and east and north toward the Amur river, compose about 50% of the world’s population, it seems that their representation is fair. As someone who has friends who work in Silicon Valley the Asian flavor of the area is pretty hard to avoid. Go to Cupertino, where Asians are ~2/3 of the population, and you’ll see what I mean. Everyone who has spent time in the Valley knows this. Everyone who has been to a Google cafeteria knows this. 

But this group does not include most Americans, so they rely on the media to impart knowledge of this region of America. Films like The Social Network, shows like Silicon Valley. And of course journalists and journalism. I’m not one to dismiss mainstream journalism. I pay for both The New York Times and The Wall Street Journal. But what is going on with articles like this in Quartz, White men dominate Silicon Valley not by accident, but by design. White men dominate Silicon Valley??? What planet are these headline writers living on? Basically, they’re lying, because they have a narrative, and they’re fitting the facts to fit that narrative. Humans have biases, and they tend to fall into preferred narratives. I understand. But this is Pravda level misrepresentation.

Decreased life expectancy is a white privilege

Decreased life expectancy is a white privilege

Here’s a Mother Jones article: Silicon Valley Firms Are Even Whiter and More Male Than You Thought. Read the article, and you find this: “But among those people directly employed in technology positions at Bay Area tech firms, Asians have actually surpassed whites as the dominant racial group….” No. Shit. Sherlock.

Demographic denialism is a thing. And it’s especially strong on the political-cultural Left. For example, the “Model Minority Myth” is not a myth. Look at the statistics on health and wealth. Actually, if you buy the myth that it isn’t a myth, I’m 99% sure you won’t. Rather, you’ll read qualitative ethnographies of Hmong refugees and use that as an equal balance to the literal tsunami of H1-B’s pouring into this country… That’s exactly like reducing the experience of all white people to downtrodden folk in Appalachia. But the same sort who assert that the model minority is a myth because of Southeast Asian refugees wouldn’t dare express the idea that white privilege is a myth because of Appalachian poverty.

 
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  1. It’s precisely shit like this that gives the cranks affirmation of their ‘White Genocide’ theory.

    • Replies: @Razib Khan
    no idea what u mean.
  2. @Boy, that's lame
    It's precisely shit like this that gives the cranks affirmation of their 'White Genocide' theory.

    no idea what u mean.

    • Replies: @Boy, that's lame
    Well, in their narrative there is an organized agenda (by antagonists that will go unnamed here) against White people wherein any amount of White people is a bad thing. Instances such as this one--where there aren't even an overabundance of Whites (there's a disproportionate representation of other groups if anything), yet the media still insist 'too many White people'--dovetails nicely with the wingnut crowd's conspiracy theory.
  3. I thought the point about Asians in Silicon Valley is that although they make up a large proportion of engineers or total staff, they’re still greatly underrepresented in senior management – ‘bamboo ceiling’ etc.

    • Replies: @Razib Khan
    I thought the point about Asians in Silicon Valley is that although they make up a large proportion of engineers or total staff, they’re still greatly underrepresented in senior management – ‘bamboo ceiling’ etc.


    representation baseline is conditional on what you expect it to be. over-represented compared to american demographic baseline, and corporate america more generally, but under-represented when compared to overall workforce, especially engineer workforce. but, the asian workforce in the valley is probably younger so you wouldn't expect them to be higher level execs at the big firms, as opposed to at start-ups. also, in an american company foreign born people are probably at some disadvantage, and the massive influx of H1B ppl since the 90s probably would encounter more issues getting into management at big firms....
  4. @Razib Khan
    no idea what u mean.

    Well, in their narrative there is an organized agenda (by antagonists that will go unnamed here) against White people wherein any amount of White people is a bad thing. Instances such as this one–where there aren’t even an overabundance of Whites (there’s a disproportionate representation of other groups if anything), yet the media still insist ‘too many White people’–dovetails nicely with the wingnut crowd’s conspiracy theory.

    • Replies: @AnonymousCoward

    Well, in their narrative there is an organized agenda (by antagonists that will go unnamed here) against White people wherein any amount of White people is a bad thing.
     
    I don't think people like MacDonald argue that it's an organized agenda. More like a naturally emergent character feature, much like there's no organized agenda of women to prefer men of race A compared to race B, even if they seem to act in concert and agreement.

    But, if not anti-whiteness, what is your explanation then, Boy that's lame?

    Why Does the Mainstream Media Keep Lying About Silicon Valley Demographics?

  5. But, but, but… Asians are just a beige-ish, brown-ish gob of faceless, nameless masses who blend into the great big whiteness of oppression.

    And everyone knows from watching TV, of course, that Americans hospitals are staffed by doctors, of whom half are whites, a third are black, a couple of Hispanics, and that one token Asian (bonus points if there is one East Asian and one South Asian doctor each – at the same time! – on the show).

    Besides, it’s obvious that Asians aren’t just white, they are “lily-white”: http://www2.law.ucla.edu/volokh/asian.htm

    That’s from 1998 by the way, so this trend has been with us for some time now.

  6. Not sure that the nonsense that comes from the American MSM these days reaches the high level of propaganda that emanated from Pravda. The Soviets held (and RT continues the tradition) that propaganda had to say something true to be credible. The propaganda was typically omission … “cherry picking the truth” … rather than telling outright lies.

    The verbiage from the MSM today is more like marketing on the part of special interest groups and corporations than propaganda. Its silliness rather than “news”, as the planted articles typically don’t even attempt to camouflage the identity of the special interest groups and/or corporations planting the articles.

  7. I suspect the headline on the Quartz article was selected, by someone other than the author, to be inflammatory “by design”. The article focuses much more on women in tech (gender balance) than about the ethnic makeup of the SV workforce.

  8. @Anonymous
    I thought the point about Asians in Silicon Valley is that although they make up a large proportion of engineers or total staff, they're still greatly underrepresented in senior management - 'bamboo ceiling' etc.

    I thought the point about Asians in Silicon Valley is that although they make up a large proportion of engineers or total staff, they’re still greatly underrepresented in senior management – ‘bamboo ceiling’ etc.

    representation baseline is conditional on what you expect it to be. over-represented compared to american demographic baseline, and corporate america more generally, but under-represented when compared to overall workforce, especially engineer workforce. but, the asian workforce in the valley is probably younger so you wouldn’t expect them to be higher level execs at the big firms, as opposed to at start-ups. also, in an american company foreign born people are probably at some disadvantage, and the massive influx of H1B ppl since the 90s probably would encounter more issues getting into management at big firms….

    • Replies: @Larry, San Francisco
    I work in the tech field in the Bay Area. My group is at about 30% white, 30% east Asian and 40% south Asian. From what I see in Silicon Valley now, I think east Asians do have problems moving up into executive level management. However, south Asians do not have that problem my company and many other companies have a high percentage of south Asian Execs (perhaps it is a language thing). I believe south Asians are the richest ethnic group in Silicon Valley. Unlike the Jews who they replaced the wealthiest south Asians do not seem overly philanthropic.
    http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county-times/ci_29255653/khosla-proposes-trade-martins-beach
    I would be surprised to see a free Hardly Strictly Raga Festival any time soon.
  9. What up with .9% Hispanic for the US?

  10. Well….

    Here in Brazil there are so many skin colors that the only way we could find to design affirmative action policies was by creating the concept of “phenotypic discrimination”. While in the USA blood is the great segregator, here in Brazil it´s appearance. That means that discrimination isn´t only a thing with color, but also facial traits, hair, and other indicators of social status. You can have a relatively dark skin, but if your facial traits are fair, you probably will not face discrimination, unless you go to the south of the country, where most people are of italian or german ancestry.

    As a result, asians (or at least east asian phenotypes) are rarely discriminated, because you can´t see nothing associated to black phenotypes in them, and also most asians have high social status here.

    Maybe american press is emulating this kind of thing. When they say white supremacy, they mean non-black supremacy.

  11. Research shows that diverse groups make better decisions, engage in stronger critical thinking, and boost companies’ financial performance.

    Well the Google guys tried to sell for one million dollars and Vinod Khosla got them down to $750,000, but Excite’s CEO didn’t think it was worth it.

    The Quartz article is mainly about the lack of women, and I suppose the nonwhite can’t be accused of sexist attitudes because that would be racist . So that leaves white men.

    Journalism is so competitive. They can make it fly that Hollywood does not have many minorities, an Aryan brotherhood dominating Silicon Valley is comparatively plausible.

  12. Hispanic and Asian have become such crap obfuscation words. Spanish American, Luso American, Regional Pre-Columbian American (numerous tribe names Olmecs, Mixtecs, Zapotecs, Maya, Aztecs), Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Hmong, Indian, Pakistani, Andaman Islanders there are many perfectly good words for who people are. I know that very few of my generation born at the tail of the baby boom in the USA think of the face of Razib or the man who runs Google when someone says Asian. Razib and Unz are both spot on in labeling the US media Pravdaesque.

    Kirk’s second and fifth provide sound guidance in how to think about this with respect to immigration to the USA. Since the 1965 immigration act we have vastly exceeded the capacity to maintain custom, convention, and continuity in the USA. This can be said in spades with reference to the invasion from the south. Stating so does not make one a racist. I hope that Razib and the man who runs Google feel affection for their respective kin, but I damn sure expect them and their posterity to assimilate to the custom and the convention of the USA, just as I would expect the opposite of someone that made the reverse emigration from the USA. Just to head off the leftist crackpots of course I am aware of the parts of our own convention and custom we have decided to reject and feel no need of perpetual flagellation due to them, Conservatism is not stasis. I will happily stand the sins of our past up against those of any nation on earth.

    “Society requires honest and able leadership; and if natural and institutional differences are destroyed, presently some tyrant or host of squalid oligarchs will create new forms of inequality.” We are in such a position now look at Zuckerberg & fwd.us, Soros, the Koch brothers, Corporatist (Apple, Walmart, Lockheed Martin, …) with business models harmful to US interest. Both the Democratic & Republican party structures are beholden to them. The media lie as Razib notes at the beck and call of their squalid oligarch masters. Look how the media lies in the Current election. Hillary is allowed to run a campaign in hiding for the most part, with a shadow boxing opponent no one but gullible children falls for on the Democratic side. On the Republican side there is wailing and gnashing of teeth as Trump (perhaps a traitor to the oligarch class) rises. They thought he was theirs to deploy and control as they wished, and have now found that may not be so. Like Pravda the lies are transparent to any that would look Racist, KKK, and Nazi. He is a man and flawed as are all such, and he may yet turn on the middle & working classes he says he loves. He has my vote and I hope he can bring about a circulation of elites with more love of such and god willing even lead to those with a desire to restore the republic.

    http://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/preamble

  13. @Razib Khan
    I thought the point about Asians in Silicon Valley is that although they make up a large proportion of engineers or total staff, they’re still greatly underrepresented in senior management – ‘bamboo ceiling’ etc.


    representation baseline is conditional on what you expect it to be. over-represented compared to american demographic baseline, and corporate america more generally, but under-represented when compared to overall workforce, especially engineer workforce. but, the asian workforce in the valley is probably younger so you wouldn't expect them to be higher level execs at the big firms, as opposed to at start-ups. also, in an american company foreign born people are probably at some disadvantage, and the massive influx of H1B ppl since the 90s probably would encounter more issues getting into management at big firms....

    I work in the tech field in the Bay Area. My group is at about 30% white, 30% east Asian and 40% south Asian. From what I see in Silicon Valley now, I think east Asians do have problems moving up into executive level management. However, south Asians do not have that problem my company and many other companies have a high percentage of south Asian Execs (perhaps it is a language thing). I believe south Asians are the richest ethnic group in Silicon Valley. Unlike the Jews who they replaced the wealthiest south Asians do not seem overly philanthropic.
    http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county-times/ci_29255653/khosla-proposes-trade-martins-beach
    I would be surprised to see a free Hardly Strictly Raga Festival any time soon.

    • Replies: @Boy, that's lame
    Confucianism's legacy has resulted in East Asian traditions not valuing empathy. Moreover, they de-emphasize the individual. These tendencies have benefited preservation of identity over thousands of years, but come at a cost in the modern working environment. Chinese, in particular, have a strict policy of minding one's own business. This rule is so absolute that a typical Chinese person will ignore you if you are the only other person in the room. This trait is why infants get ran over (or worse, stomped into the pavement by deranged men) in front of thousands of witnesses, and nobody reacts or does anything. (Check YouTube for examples). They literally ignore everything in the surrounding world that does not directly concern them. They have a saying roughly translated as "why bother." While this is a prototype description of the Confucian mindset, the general tendencies permeate the culture. This quasi-aspergers condition lends itself more to be a drone, not a director. That's one man's hypothesis at least.
  14. @Boy, that's lame
    Well, in their narrative there is an organized agenda (by antagonists that will go unnamed here) against White people wherein any amount of White people is a bad thing. Instances such as this one--where there aren't even an overabundance of Whites (there's a disproportionate representation of other groups if anything), yet the media still insist 'too many White people'--dovetails nicely with the wingnut crowd's conspiracy theory.

    Well, in their narrative there is an organized agenda (by antagonists that will go unnamed here) against White people wherein any amount of White people is a bad thing.

    I don’t think people like MacDonald argue that it’s an organized agenda. More like a naturally emergent character feature, much like there’s no organized agenda of women to prefer men of race A compared to race B, even if they seem to act in concert and agreement.

    But, if not anti-whiteness, what is your explanation then, Boy that’s lame?

    Why Does the Mainstream Media Keep Lying About Silicon Valley Demographics?

    • Replies: @Boy, that's lame
    I'm aware of Professor MacDonald's ideas. To answer your question--it's not that I have an alternative hypothesis, but rather they're working hypothesis is not sufficiently supported. The irony of a wealthy Jewish man facilitating the discourse on this website is not lost on me.
    , @Boy, that's lame
    At any rate, I was speaking of the "14 words" internet crowd's histrionics (the predominant narrative) and not Kevin MacDonald.
  15. @AnonymousCoward

    Well, in their narrative there is an organized agenda (by antagonists that will go unnamed here) against White people wherein any amount of White people is a bad thing.
     
    I don't think people like MacDonald argue that it's an organized agenda. More like a naturally emergent character feature, much like there's no organized agenda of women to prefer men of race A compared to race B, even if they seem to act in concert and agreement.

    But, if not anti-whiteness, what is your explanation then, Boy that's lame?

    Why Does the Mainstream Media Keep Lying About Silicon Valley Demographics?

    I’m aware of Professor MacDonald’s ideas. To answer your question–it’s not that I have an alternative hypothesis, but rather they’re working hypothesis is not sufficiently supported. The irony of a wealthy Jewish man facilitating the discourse on this website is not lost on me.

  16. @AnonymousCoward

    Well, in their narrative there is an organized agenda (by antagonists that will go unnamed here) against White people wherein any amount of White people is a bad thing.
     
    I don't think people like MacDonald argue that it's an organized agenda. More like a naturally emergent character feature, much like there's no organized agenda of women to prefer men of race A compared to race B, even if they seem to act in concert and agreement.

    But, if not anti-whiteness, what is your explanation then, Boy that's lame?

    Why Does the Mainstream Media Keep Lying About Silicon Valley Demographics?

    At any rate, I was speaking of the “14 words” internet crowd’s histrionics (the predominant narrative) and not Kevin MacDonald.

  17. Do you think that a strong woman like Ronda Rousey being against trans MMA fighters, or a white Christian being in favor of religious pluralism, is some kind of “irony” as well? There are many good Jewish people who’ve voiced and supported sentiments like those of MacDonald, and who furthermore have the good sense to argue that the anti-white behaviour should stop, for the betterment of all. What is so cranky and wingnutty about this? One would think that any reader of unz.com would find this to be obvious.

    • Replies: @Razib Khan
    One would think that any reader of unz.com would find this to be obvious.

    would you agree on any reader of unz to agree on anything?
    , @Boy, that's lame

    Ronda Rousey being against trans MMA fighters
     
    Just because she's a feminist icon (or was a few years ago) doesn't mean she herself is a feminist. Besides, Trans-Exclusive Radical Feminism (TERF) is a thing. The notion that I could apply lipstick over my soul patch and goatee, declare myself a 'butch-presenting trans-lesbian', and trot right into a gym's female locker room has exposed a rift in feminism.

    Conservative White Christians generally aren't for pluralism--whether they explicitly state and acknowledge it or not. Platitudes given toward 'freedom' and 'liberty' are simply that: platitudes. The American reactionary's conundrum is that America was founded on revolutionary ideas. They try to reconcile this in confusing ways (e.g. Jerry Falwell's "Liberty University"). You'd be hard-pressed to find a European conservative Christian advocating a pluralistic society.

    Are there Jews who explicitly advocate the dismantling of White society? Sure. Here's a good example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Ignatiev There are probably even more who unconsciously work toward that in an indirect manner--taking an adversarial stance on Christianity; and promoting extreme secularism and ethnic diversity. Historically persecuted groups like Jews benefit from a secular society that lacks a cohesive ethnic identity. For this same reason Arab Christians have been the most ardent supporters of Arab nationalism. They'd rather not go back to paying jizya just like Jews would rather not go back to the shtetl.

    But where is the organized agenda? Some leftist Jews are hyper-critical of Zionism, neoconservatism, and Holocaust shaming of Europeans. Likewise, there are right wing Jews--spanning from Rush Limbaugh to the Jewish Task Force--who are hyper-critical of the perceived 'anti-White' agenda.

    So exactly where is this elusive Jewish bogeyman that the internet's neo-Nazi denizens are hot on the trail of?
  18. @Larry, San Francisco
    I work in the tech field in the Bay Area. My group is at about 30% white, 30% east Asian and 40% south Asian. From what I see in Silicon Valley now, I think east Asians do have problems moving up into executive level management. However, south Asians do not have that problem my company and many other companies have a high percentage of south Asian Execs (perhaps it is a language thing). I believe south Asians are the richest ethnic group in Silicon Valley. Unlike the Jews who they replaced the wealthiest south Asians do not seem overly philanthropic.
    http://www.mercurynews.com/san-mateo-county-times/ci_29255653/khosla-proposes-trade-martins-beach
    I would be surprised to see a free Hardly Strictly Raga Festival any time soon.

    Confucianism’s legacy has resulted in East Asian traditions not valuing empathy. Moreover, they de-emphasize the individual. These tendencies have benefited preservation of identity over thousands of years, but come at a cost in the modern working environment. Chinese, in particular, have a strict policy of minding one’s own business. This rule is so absolute that a typical Chinese person will ignore you if you are the only other person in the room. This trait is why infants get ran over (or worse, stomped into the pavement by deranged men) in front of thousands of witnesses, and nobody reacts or does anything. (Check YouTube for examples). They literally ignore everything in the surrounding world that does not directly concern them. They have a saying roughly translated as “why bother.” While this is a prototype description of the Confucian mindset, the general tendencies permeate the culture. This quasi-aspergers condition lends itself more to be a drone, not a director. That’s one man’s hypothesis at least.

    • Replies: @Razib Khan
    Confucianism’s legacy has resulted in East Asian traditions not valuing empathy.

    this is one of the stupidest things i've seen someone say in a while

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren_(Confucianism)

    While this is a prototype description of the Confucian mindset

    second stupidest thing in a while.

    This quasi-aspergers condition lends itself more to be a drone

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_(sociological_concept)

    the whole above comment was an absolute debasement of the english language and your ability to engage in deep, as opposed to superficial, analysis.
  19. @Boy, that's lame
    Confucianism's legacy has resulted in East Asian traditions not valuing empathy. Moreover, they de-emphasize the individual. These tendencies have benefited preservation of identity over thousands of years, but come at a cost in the modern working environment. Chinese, in particular, have a strict policy of minding one's own business. This rule is so absolute that a typical Chinese person will ignore you if you are the only other person in the room. This trait is why infants get ran over (or worse, stomped into the pavement by deranged men) in front of thousands of witnesses, and nobody reacts or does anything. (Check YouTube for examples). They literally ignore everything in the surrounding world that does not directly concern them. They have a saying roughly translated as "why bother." While this is a prototype description of the Confucian mindset, the general tendencies permeate the culture. This quasi-aspergers condition lends itself more to be a drone, not a director. That's one man's hypothesis at least.

    Confucianism’s legacy has resulted in East Asian traditions not valuing empathy.

    this is one of the stupidest things i’ve seen someone say in a while

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren_(Confucianism)

    While this is a prototype description of the Confucian mindset

    second stupidest thing in a while.

    This quasi-aspergers condition lends itself more to be a drone

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_(sociological_concept)

    the whole above comment was an absolute debasement of the english language and your ability to engage in deep, as opposed to superficial, analysis.

    • Replies: @Boy, that's lame
    Yikes, that was acerbic.

    I'm not as qualified to talk on Confucianism as you; I'll readily concede this. I'm not a fan of Eastern thought. Although I'm not unacquainted with the concept of Ren. I've taken a humanities course or two dealing with these topics. In my observation (correct me where wrong) Ren is, in practice, applied to family relations and other hierarchies. It's not equivalent to "Love thy neighbor." (For the record Christians don't practice that very well either). The result is more of a sense of duty rather than empathy or love or altruism in any sense a Westerner would be familiar with. Again, correct me where wrong.

    Also, yes, I know what Face is. Are you suggesting the complete and total indifference to others (if not related) is a method of saving face?

  20. @AnonymousCoward
    Do you think that a strong woman like Ronda Rousey being against trans MMA fighters, or a white Christian being in favor of religious pluralism, is some kind of "irony" as well? There are many good Jewish people who've voiced and supported sentiments like those of MacDonald, and who furthermore have the good sense to argue that the anti-white behaviour should stop, for the betterment of all. What is so cranky and wingnutty about this? One would think that any reader of unz.com would find this to be obvious.

    One would think that any reader of unz.com would find this to be obvious.

    would you agree on any reader of unz to agree on anything?

  21. http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/10/white-man-pathology-bernie-sanders-donald-trump

    It’s a good example of what a journalist has to read into white people (sorry, what he calls, quoting Coates, people “raised to be white”).

    He even gets in on the bodies thing,

    In the aftermath of that deal, the choice, I suppose, is either to be proud to be white, which is a form of insanity, or to fantasize a post-racial cosmopolis, which is a kind of make-believe, or to be ashamed. So much easier to forget those choices, or to defer endlessly the choosing, or to debate the difficulties of choosing infinitely, because white male flesh is not under mortal threat, as the flesh of black men or the flesh of women. Our bodies are safe. Our bodies are the threat.

    It ends ” I had been forgiven, for a while, for my body.”

    Author is white man, married to a black woman*

    (*Just kidding. He might have been but actually he is white man married to a white woman, who happens to be Jewish.)

  22. @Razib Khan
    Confucianism’s legacy has resulted in East Asian traditions not valuing empathy.

    this is one of the stupidest things i've seen someone say in a while

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren_(Confucianism)

    While this is a prototype description of the Confucian mindset

    second stupidest thing in a while.

    This quasi-aspergers condition lends itself more to be a drone

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_(sociological_concept)

    the whole above comment was an absolute debasement of the english language and your ability to engage in deep, as opposed to superficial, analysis.

    Yikes, that was acerbic.

    I’m not as qualified to talk on Confucianism as you; I’ll readily concede this. I’m not a fan of Eastern thought. Although I’m not unacquainted with the concept of Ren. I’ve taken a humanities course or two dealing with these topics. In my observation (correct me where wrong) Ren is, in practice, applied to family relations and other hierarchies. It’s not equivalent to “Love thy neighbor.” (For the record Christians don’t practice that very well either). The result is more of a sense of duty rather than empathy or love or altruism in any sense a Westerner would be familiar with. Again, correct me where wrong.

    Also, yes, I know what Face is. Are you suggesting the complete and total indifference to others (if not related) is a method of saving face?

    • Replies: @Razib Khan
    http://philosophy.lander.edu/oriental/main.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucianism#Humaneness

    familial relations are essential in confucian thought as they are the foundation for many other hierarchies of relations. but confucian scholars often engaged in remonstrations on behalf of peasants to whom they were unrelated and might never see. the ideal of a confucian world is harmony between people and happiness for the greatest number (ergo, confucian traditionalists often argued for a relatively pacific foreign policy which would allow for low taxation on the peasantry).

    Are you suggesting the complete and total indifference to others (if not related) is a method of saving face?


    people with low social intelligence don't care about face. what do you think aspergers is if not low social intelligence?
  23. @Boy, that's lame
    Yikes, that was acerbic.

    I'm not as qualified to talk on Confucianism as you; I'll readily concede this. I'm not a fan of Eastern thought. Although I'm not unacquainted with the concept of Ren. I've taken a humanities course or two dealing with these topics. In my observation (correct me where wrong) Ren is, in practice, applied to family relations and other hierarchies. It's not equivalent to "Love thy neighbor." (For the record Christians don't practice that very well either). The result is more of a sense of duty rather than empathy or love or altruism in any sense a Westerner would be familiar with. Again, correct me where wrong.

    Also, yes, I know what Face is. Are you suggesting the complete and total indifference to others (if not related) is a method of saving face?

    http://philosophy.lander.edu/oriental/main.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucianism#Humaneness

    familial relations are essential in confucian thought as they are the foundation for many other hierarchies of relations. but confucian scholars often engaged in remonstrations on behalf of peasants to whom they were unrelated and might never see. the ideal of a confucian world is harmony between people and happiness for the greatest number (ergo, confucian traditionalists often argued for a relatively pacific foreign policy which would allow for low taxation on the peasantry).

    Are you suggesting the complete and total indifference to others (if not related) is a method of saving face?

    people with low social intelligence don’t care about face. what do you think aspergers is if not low social intelligence?

    • Replies: @Boy, that's lame

    what do you think aspergers is if not low social intelligence?
     
    I believe I said "quasi-aspergers." Outside of such a culture (i.e. in a Silicon Valley conference room) such behavior is effectively the same as being on the 'spectrum.'

    And one could make a wider argument that Face culture objectively leads toward lower social intelligence. How else could somebody categorize ignoring and/or staring blankly while a lunatic curb-stomps a toddler on a busy urban sidewalk? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9g-Mgogiok Even after intervention, nobody seems to know wtf to do with the kid. Not terribly socially intelligent, imo. I could be wrong.

    It seems as though you describe Ren as some sort of analog to Utilitarianism; however, I don't think hedonism is really a thing in Confucianism. The center is duty and obligation to relations between individuals. Particularly across hierarchical levels.
  24. Reading the newspaper and expecting the stories in it to be right is not really something one should do, one might suppose.

  25. @AnonymousCoward
    Do you think that a strong woman like Ronda Rousey being against trans MMA fighters, or a white Christian being in favor of religious pluralism, is some kind of "irony" as well? There are many good Jewish people who've voiced and supported sentiments like those of MacDonald, and who furthermore have the good sense to argue that the anti-white behaviour should stop, for the betterment of all. What is so cranky and wingnutty about this? One would think that any reader of unz.com would find this to be obvious.

    Ronda Rousey being against trans MMA fighters

    Just because she’s a feminist icon (or was a few years ago) doesn’t mean she herself is a feminist. Besides, Trans-Exclusive Radical Feminism (TERF) is a thing. The notion that I could apply lipstick over my soul patch and goatee, declare myself a ‘butch-presenting trans-lesbian’, and trot right into a gym’s female locker room has exposed a rift in feminism.

    Conservative White Christians generally aren’t for pluralism–whether they explicitly state and acknowledge it or not. Platitudes given toward ‘freedom’ and ‘liberty’ are simply that: platitudes. The American reactionary’s conundrum is that America was founded on revolutionary ideas. They try to reconcile this in confusing ways (e.g. Jerry Falwell’s “Liberty University”). You’d be hard-pressed to find a European conservative Christian advocating a pluralistic society.

    Are there Jews who explicitly advocate the dismantling of White society? Sure. Here’s a good example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Ignatiev There are probably even more who unconsciously work toward that in an indirect manner–taking an adversarial stance on Christianity; and promoting extreme secularism and ethnic diversity. Historically persecuted groups like Jews benefit from a secular society that lacks a cohesive ethnic identity. For this same reason Arab Christians have been the most ardent supporters of Arab nationalism. They’d rather not go back to paying jizya just like Jews would rather not go back to the shtetl.

    But where is the organized agenda? Some leftist Jews are hyper-critical of Zionism, neoconservatism, and Holocaust shaming of Europeans. Likewise, there are right wing Jews–spanning from Rush Limbaugh to the Jewish Task Force–who are hyper-critical of the perceived ‘anti-White’ agenda.

    So exactly where is this elusive Jewish bogeyman that the internet’s neo-Nazi denizens are hot on the trail of?

    • Replies: @AnonymousCoward
    So, what you're saying is:

    1) Naxalt.
    2) Therefore, antiwhite MSM bias has nothing to do with MSM ethnicity.

    You don't have an answer to Razib's question, though. You're just very sure that it's nothing to do with ethnic hostility.
  26. @Razib Khan
    http://philosophy.lander.edu/oriental/main.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confucianism#Humaneness

    familial relations are essential in confucian thought as they are the foundation for many other hierarchies of relations. but confucian scholars often engaged in remonstrations on behalf of peasants to whom they were unrelated and might never see. the ideal of a confucian world is harmony between people and happiness for the greatest number (ergo, confucian traditionalists often argued for a relatively pacific foreign policy which would allow for low taxation on the peasantry).

    Are you suggesting the complete and total indifference to others (if not related) is a method of saving face?


    people with low social intelligence don't care about face. what do you think aspergers is if not low social intelligence?

    what do you think aspergers is if not low social intelligence?

    I believe I said “quasi-aspergers.” Outside of such a culture (i.e. in a Silicon Valley conference room) such behavior is effectively the same as being on the ‘spectrum.’

    And one could make a wider argument that Face culture objectively leads toward lower social intelligence. How else could somebody categorize ignoring and/or staring blankly while a lunatic curb-stomps a toddler on a busy urban sidewalk?

    Even after intervention, nobody seems to know wtf to do with the kid. Not terribly socially intelligent, imo. I could be wrong.

    It seems as though you describe Ren as some sort of analog to Utilitarianism; however, I don’t think hedonism is really a thing in Confucianism. The center is duty and obligation to relations between individuals. Particularly across hierarchical levels.

    • Replies: @Razib Khan
    honestly i have no idea what you're trying to say, so i give up (i'm trying to get some stuff done today so i'm just not going to try to figure out what you are trying to say by using terms like 'quasi-aspergers').

    re: the instances of lack of public morality in the peoples' republic of china, many attribute it to the dislocations of the cultural revolution and communism more generally.
    , @Tobus
    Did you read the description (from a news report) on the video?

    A video ... in north-western China has sparked outrage in the country.

    the video had been watched by 17 million people in China, who expressed their horror

    The attack lasted 35 seconds until a group of people emerged from a shop and chased Wang

    Luochuan police said Wang, who has schizophrenia, had been arrested.

    This doesn't seem to gel with the idea that Chinese "literally ignore everything in the surrounding world". Lots of people freeze/hesitate when confronted with something unusual or violent, and you can find similar videos/stories from all over the world (eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Z03Nj7JtQ) - I don't believe it's the uniquely Chinese or Asian trait like you are trying to make out.

  27. @Boy, that's lame

    what do you think aspergers is if not low social intelligence?
     
    I believe I said "quasi-aspergers." Outside of such a culture (i.e. in a Silicon Valley conference room) such behavior is effectively the same as being on the 'spectrum.'

    And one could make a wider argument that Face culture objectively leads toward lower social intelligence. How else could somebody categorize ignoring and/or staring blankly while a lunatic curb-stomps a toddler on a busy urban sidewalk? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9g-Mgogiok Even after intervention, nobody seems to know wtf to do with the kid. Not terribly socially intelligent, imo. I could be wrong.

    It seems as though you describe Ren as some sort of analog to Utilitarianism; however, I don't think hedonism is really a thing in Confucianism. The center is duty and obligation to relations between individuals. Particularly across hierarchical levels.

    honestly i have no idea what you’re trying to say, so i give up (i’m trying to get some stuff done today so i’m just not going to try to figure out what you are trying to say by using terms like ‘quasi-aspergers’).

    re: the instances of lack of public morality in the peoples’ republic of china, many attribute it to the dislocations of the cultural revolution and communism more generally.

    • Replies: @Boy, that's lame

    i’m trying to get some stuff done today
     
    You and me both.

    For the record, I was saying the behavior has the appearance and function of aspergers outside a Face saving context. Spend time with somebody fresh off the boat from Guanzhou who's never seen a non-Han person in their life and it would be easy to misinterpret their idiosyncrasies as either anti-social behavior or some form of autism.

    Hope that clarifies. And with that, I'm done.
  28. @Razib Khan
    honestly i have no idea what you're trying to say, so i give up (i'm trying to get some stuff done today so i'm just not going to try to figure out what you are trying to say by using terms like 'quasi-aspergers').

    re: the instances of lack of public morality in the peoples' republic of china, many attribute it to the dislocations of the cultural revolution and communism more generally.

    i’m trying to get some stuff done today

    You and me both.

    For the record, I was saying the behavior has the appearance and function of aspergers outside a Face saving context. Spend time with somebody fresh off the boat from Guanzhou who’s never seen a non-Han person in their life and it would be easy to misinterpret their idiosyncrasies as either anti-social behavior or some form of autism.

    Hope that clarifies. And with that, I’m done.

  29. Left Wingers paint Silicon Valley as being as White as the cast of Happy Days. India and China might as well join The European Union and make their honorary White status complete.

  30. “Go to Cupertino, where Asians are ~2/3 of the population,”

    Cupertino is one of the few cities in the U.S where Chinese restaurants outnumber American style diners.

    Cupertino is one of the few cities in the U.S where it is easier to get boba milk tea than it is to get pizza.

  31. “For example, the “Model Minority Myth” is not a myth. Look at the statistics on health and wealth. Actually, if you buy the myth that it isn’t a myth, I’m 99% sure you won’t. Rather, you’ll read qualitative ethnographies of Hmong refugees and use that as an equal balance to the literal tsunami of H1-B’s pouring into this country… That’s exactly like reducing the experience of all white people to downtrodden folk in Appalachia. But the same sort who assert that the model minority is a myth because of Southeast Asian refugees wouldn’t dare express the idea that white privilege is a myth because of Appalachian poverty.”

    If you are a Social Justice Warrior living in California than Cambodian, Hmong, Vietnamese, and Filipino poverty is way more visable to your eyes than White poverty. These Social Justice Warriors have never step foot in flyover states like West Virginia, Tennessee, and Kentucky where you can find pockets of White poverty. If you are a Social Justice Warrior living in California than ofcourse you are going to think all Whites are privileged when the face of poverty in that state is Hispanic, Southeast Asian, and African American.

  32. @Boy, that's lame

    what do you think aspergers is if not low social intelligence?
     
    I believe I said "quasi-aspergers." Outside of such a culture (i.e. in a Silicon Valley conference room) such behavior is effectively the same as being on the 'spectrum.'

    And one could make a wider argument that Face culture objectively leads toward lower social intelligence. How else could somebody categorize ignoring and/or staring blankly while a lunatic curb-stomps a toddler on a busy urban sidewalk? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9g-Mgogiok Even after intervention, nobody seems to know wtf to do with the kid. Not terribly socially intelligent, imo. I could be wrong.

    It seems as though you describe Ren as some sort of analog to Utilitarianism; however, I don't think hedonism is really a thing in Confucianism. The center is duty and obligation to relations between individuals. Particularly across hierarchical levels.

    Did you read the description (from a news report) on the video?

    A video … in north-western China has sparked outrage in the country.

    the video had been watched by 17 million people in China, who expressed their horror

    The attack lasted 35 seconds until a group of people emerged from a shop and chased Wang

    Luochuan police said Wang, who has schizophrenia, had been arrested.

    This doesn’t seem to gel with the idea that Chinese “literally ignore everything in the surrounding world”. Lots of people freeze/hesitate when confronted with something unusual or violent, and you can find similar videos/stories from all over the world (eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Z03Nj7JtQ) – I don’t believe it’s the uniquely Chinese or Asian trait like you are trying to make out.

    • Replies: @Boy, that's lame
    I've personally seen dozens of video clips of children being violently brutalized, children being ran over, and other horrific scenarios from China where people walk around the dying child like it's a pile of dog crap that somebody left behind. Yes, socially intelligent people do exist in China; but the phenomenon exists. You may see people stunned or dumbfounded by such events elsewhere, but look (and be honest with yourself) at the video clip again. People stand with their proverbial dicks in their hands navel gazing and staring blankly like ruminating cattle at the critically wounded child. It's very different than mere shock. It's also very bizarre outside of China, but not so uncommon within China. I invite you to search Liveleak for other instances such as this (most of them more bizarre and disturbing). Maybe not everyone in China is indifferent to an infant bleeding-out on the sidewalk (probably not even most); but a lot of seemingly normal people are. It's a thing.
  33. The same Leftists who try to paint Silicon Valley as Whiter than sour cream also do the same to the MLB, as if all of the Hispanic MLB players from The Caribbean, Venezuela, and Panama racially look like Donald Trump.

    All Hispanic MLB players are honorary Whites no matter how much Sub Saharan African admixture they have. David Ortiz and Yasiel Puig for example are just very tanned White guys.

  34. @Boy, that's lame

    Ronda Rousey being against trans MMA fighters
     
    Just because she's a feminist icon (or was a few years ago) doesn't mean she herself is a feminist. Besides, Trans-Exclusive Radical Feminism (TERF) is a thing. The notion that I could apply lipstick over my soul patch and goatee, declare myself a 'butch-presenting trans-lesbian', and trot right into a gym's female locker room has exposed a rift in feminism.

    Conservative White Christians generally aren't for pluralism--whether they explicitly state and acknowledge it or not. Platitudes given toward 'freedom' and 'liberty' are simply that: platitudes. The American reactionary's conundrum is that America was founded on revolutionary ideas. They try to reconcile this in confusing ways (e.g. Jerry Falwell's "Liberty University"). You'd be hard-pressed to find a European conservative Christian advocating a pluralistic society.

    Are there Jews who explicitly advocate the dismantling of White society? Sure. Here's a good example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Ignatiev There are probably even more who unconsciously work toward that in an indirect manner--taking an adversarial stance on Christianity; and promoting extreme secularism and ethnic diversity. Historically persecuted groups like Jews benefit from a secular society that lacks a cohesive ethnic identity. For this same reason Arab Christians have been the most ardent supporters of Arab nationalism. They'd rather not go back to paying jizya just like Jews would rather not go back to the shtetl.

    But where is the organized agenda? Some leftist Jews are hyper-critical of Zionism, neoconservatism, and Holocaust shaming of Europeans. Likewise, there are right wing Jews--spanning from Rush Limbaugh to the Jewish Task Force--who are hyper-critical of the perceived 'anti-White' agenda.

    So exactly where is this elusive Jewish bogeyman that the internet's neo-Nazi denizens are hot on the trail of?

    So, what you’re saying is:

    1) Naxalt.
    2) Therefore, antiwhite MSM bias has nothing to do with MSM ethnicity.

    You don’t have an answer to Razib’s question, though. You’re just very sure that it’s nothing to do with ethnic hostility.

    • Replies: @Boy, that's lame
    What is "naxalt?" Is that some sort of loanword from MGTOW jargon--i.e. NAWALT?

    I think you're misinterpreting my argument. I'm saying that there is insufficient evidence to support some Jews-conspiring-to-do-the-White-man-in conspiracy. I provided an alternative explanation. Namely, that it's no surprise that a minority--especially a historically persecuted one--would tend to prefer things like robust secularism (especially when the majority religion views them as God-killers with a resultant blood curse upon them); and that they'd prefer ethnic diversity. Arab Christians function very much the same way vis a vis Islamic theocracy. Not a conspiracy, more of an "emergent" property of the interaction between the groups--like MacDonald says (whom I never referenced, I was speaking of the 1488 internet nutbags).

    At any rate, I don't harbor paranoia of Jews; and I'll spare no opportunity to criticize such histrionics.
  35. @Tobus
    Did you read the description (from a news report) on the video?

    A video ... in north-western China has sparked outrage in the country.

    the video had been watched by 17 million people in China, who expressed their horror

    The attack lasted 35 seconds until a group of people emerged from a shop and chased Wang

    Luochuan police said Wang, who has schizophrenia, had been arrested.

    This doesn't seem to gel with the idea that Chinese "literally ignore everything in the surrounding world". Lots of people freeze/hesitate when confronted with something unusual or violent, and you can find similar videos/stories from all over the world (eg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Z03Nj7JtQ) - I don't believe it's the uniquely Chinese or Asian trait like you are trying to make out.

    I’ve personally seen dozens of video clips of children being violently brutalized, children being ran over, and other horrific scenarios from China where people walk around the dying child like it’s a pile of dog crap that somebody left behind. Yes, socially intelligent people do exist in China; but the phenomenon exists. You may see people stunned or dumbfounded by such events elsewhere, but look (and be honest with yourself) at the video clip again. People stand with their proverbial dicks in their hands navel gazing and staring blankly like ruminating cattle at the critically wounded child. It’s very different than mere shock. It’s also very bizarre outside of China, but not so uncommon within China. I invite you to search Liveleak for other instances such as this (most of them more bizarre and disturbing). Maybe not everyone in China is indifferent to an infant bleeding-out on the sidewalk (probably not even most); but a lot of seemingly normal people are. It’s a thing.

    • Replies: @Tobus
    Yes Boy, you told me your personal experiences and beliefs already... I'm concerned however, because my own personal experience of Chinese behaviour (which involves a lot more than watching violent videos online) is very different, that you might be experiencing confirmation bias.
  36. @AnonymousCoward
    So, what you're saying is:

    1) Naxalt.
    2) Therefore, antiwhite MSM bias has nothing to do with MSM ethnicity.

    You don't have an answer to Razib's question, though. You're just very sure that it's nothing to do with ethnic hostility.

    What is “naxalt?” Is that some sort of loanword from MGTOW jargon–i.e. NAWALT?

    I think you’re misinterpreting my argument. I’m saying that there is insufficient evidence to support some Jews-conspiring-to-do-the-White-man-in conspiracy. I provided an alternative explanation. Namely, that it’s no surprise that a minority–especially a historically persecuted one–would tend to prefer things like robust secularism (especially when the majority religion views them as God-killers with a resultant blood curse upon them); and that they’d prefer ethnic diversity. Arab Christians function very much the same way vis a vis Islamic theocracy. Not a conspiracy, more of an “emergent” property of the interaction between the groups–like MacDonald says (whom I never referenced, I was speaking of the 1488 internet nutbags).

    At any rate, I don’t harbor paranoia of Jews; and I’ll spare no opportunity to criticize such histrionics.

    • Replies: @AnonymousCoward
    naxalt=Not All X Are Like That.

    So you're saying that while the answer to the question "Why Does the Mainstream Media Keep Lying About Silicon Valley Demographics?" is Jewish anti-white bias, you're saying that it isn't organized "protocols"-fashion in a bunker, but more a naturally emergent, anti-white baseline behaviour. You might caveat, if asked, that people like Soros, or Barbara Lerner Spectre, are rare and unusually well-organized exceptions.

    I think that you're being reasonable, but what you're saying is also what most of the people with anime-cat-hitler avatars are saying. Your counter-signaling against the 1488 kids wouldn't save you from severe career-option truncation, if you tweeted or blogged anything like the above in your own name. You'd simply be labeled a nazi.

  37. @Boy, that's lame
    What is "naxalt?" Is that some sort of loanword from MGTOW jargon--i.e. NAWALT?

    I think you're misinterpreting my argument. I'm saying that there is insufficient evidence to support some Jews-conspiring-to-do-the-White-man-in conspiracy. I provided an alternative explanation. Namely, that it's no surprise that a minority--especially a historically persecuted one--would tend to prefer things like robust secularism (especially when the majority religion views them as God-killers with a resultant blood curse upon them); and that they'd prefer ethnic diversity. Arab Christians function very much the same way vis a vis Islamic theocracy. Not a conspiracy, more of an "emergent" property of the interaction between the groups--like MacDonald says (whom I never referenced, I was speaking of the 1488 internet nutbags).

    At any rate, I don't harbor paranoia of Jews; and I'll spare no opportunity to criticize such histrionics.

    naxalt=Not All X Are Like That.

    So you’re saying that while the answer to the question “Why Does the Mainstream Media Keep Lying About Silicon Valley Demographics?” is Jewish anti-white bias, you’re saying that it isn’t organized “protocols”-fashion in a bunker, but more a naturally emergent, anti-white baseline behaviour. You might caveat, if asked, that people like Soros, or Barbara Lerner Spectre, are rare and unusually well-organized exceptions.

    I think that you’re being reasonable, but what you’re saying is also what most of the people with anime-cat-hitler avatars are saying. Your counter-signaling against the 1488 kids wouldn’t save you from severe career-option truncation, if you tweeted or blogged anything like the above in your own name. You’d simply be labeled a nazi.

    • Replies: @Boy, that's lame
    It's not "Jewish" in nature because most other minority groups get in on the Whitey bashing too. Even East Asians, with all their privilege, have been known to fall victim to the SJW cult; especially (and ironically) the White-washed ones.

    Speaking of irony, there are striking parallels between SJWs and the blame-the-Jews folks. Blaming Hymie is no different than blaming Whitey.
  38. I’m not saying anti-White bias is “Jewish” in nature. I’m saying that it’s a natural consequence of being a minority to prefer diverse, cosmopolitan societies. Especially when that minority has historically been singled out for violent persecution.

    Virtually all secular Arab nationalist movements have either been founded by Arab Christians, or had disproportionate numbers of Arab Christians among the founders and leaders. The Baath Movement was in large part founded by Michel Aflaq. The Syrian Socialist Nationalist Party was founded by Antoun Saadeh. The Arab Nationalist Movement was founded by George Habash and Constantin Zureiq. The PLO was in part founded by Dawoud Mikhail. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine founded by Habash. All Christians.

    Replace those surnames with “bergs” and “steins” and it would look like an all star list of socialist and progressive luminaries. These Arab nationalist systems have been used to suppress Islamic identity. During different periods in the modern era it’s been illegal for men to grow beards in Egypt, Syria, and Iraq (under Saddam). Think of this as equivalent to some Chabad Rabbi suing to remove a Christmas tree from the Seattle Airport. As I said before, the Arab Christians won’t go back to paying jizyah as much as the Jews won’t return to the ghetto.

  39. @Boy, that's lame
    I've personally seen dozens of video clips of children being violently brutalized, children being ran over, and other horrific scenarios from China where people walk around the dying child like it's a pile of dog crap that somebody left behind. Yes, socially intelligent people do exist in China; but the phenomenon exists. You may see people stunned or dumbfounded by such events elsewhere, but look (and be honest with yourself) at the video clip again. People stand with their proverbial dicks in their hands navel gazing and staring blankly like ruminating cattle at the critically wounded child. It's very different than mere shock. It's also very bizarre outside of China, but not so uncommon within China. I invite you to search Liveleak for other instances such as this (most of them more bizarre and disturbing). Maybe not everyone in China is indifferent to an infant bleeding-out on the sidewalk (probably not even most); but a lot of seemingly normal people are. It's a thing.

    Yes Boy, you told me your personal experiences and beliefs already… I’m concerned however, because my own personal experience of Chinese behaviour (which involves a lot more than watching violent videos online) is very different, that you might be experiencing confirmation bias.

    • Replies: @Boy, that's lame
    This sub-conversation on Chinese people (my primary one being on perceived media anti-Whiteness and the J0000z) deteriorated into an invidious diatribe--desultory and fucking retarded to be honest--which was not my intent at all. It started with both Razib misunderstanding me; and me not presenting my argument clearly (resulting from little sleep with final exams and personal drama). I just want to break cleanly from this nonsense. I'd be happy to start a new conversation on the subject at a later time if you encounter me here at Unz again (which you will if you're a regular).

    Chinese culture is different from Western culture. Honestly, it's set apart from all other cultures in some distinct ways. I maintain these are why there is a "bamboo ceiling." I'm not walking back some of my main points, I've just lost control of this comment thread and don't care to continue it here.
  40. @AnonymousCoward
    naxalt=Not All X Are Like That.

    So you're saying that while the answer to the question "Why Does the Mainstream Media Keep Lying About Silicon Valley Demographics?" is Jewish anti-white bias, you're saying that it isn't organized "protocols"-fashion in a bunker, but more a naturally emergent, anti-white baseline behaviour. You might caveat, if asked, that people like Soros, or Barbara Lerner Spectre, are rare and unusually well-organized exceptions.

    I think that you're being reasonable, but what you're saying is also what most of the people with anime-cat-hitler avatars are saying. Your counter-signaling against the 1488 kids wouldn't save you from severe career-option truncation, if you tweeted or blogged anything like the above in your own name. You'd simply be labeled a nazi.

    It’s not “Jewish” in nature because most other minority groups get in on the Whitey bashing too. Even East Asians, with all their privilege, have been known to fall victim to the SJW cult; especially (and ironically) the White-washed ones.

    Speaking of irony, there are striking parallels between SJWs and the blame-the-Jews folks. Blaming Hymie is no different than blaming Whitey.

  41. So MSM Jews are anti-white. But. MSM antiwhite lies are not Jewish, because other ethnies would do the same antiwhite lie too… if they dominated the media. Which they don’t. And blaming MSM Silicon Valley demographics lies on those who do the lying – the named persons actually doing the lying in Razib’s headline – is like being a SJW.

    • Replies: @Boy, that's lame
    If there are Jews with this particular anti-White bent then they're naturally gonna gravitate toward professions that give them a platform. They'll become talking heads, columnists, or pea-brained sociology cult leaders, er, instructors.

    There are myriad parallels between aggrieved White nationalists and SJWs. Many of their arguments are functionally equivalent. Here's a standard WN gripe: Too many successful Jews? Cronyism! Jewish privilege! Meritocracy is a cover for Jewish nepotism. Now replace Jew with cishet, white, male or any combination thereof and you get an SJW argument.

    This is a funny position for me to be in, honestly, since I've been accused of being an anti-Semite for years. I just don't like the arguments of WNs and think they're basically SJWs for Whites. Besides, I like my wimminz tanned and I'll be damned if a bunch of yokels say I can't date or marry outside "muh race."

  42. @Tobus
    Yes Boy, you told me your personal experiences and beliefs already... I'm concerned however, because my own personal experience of Chinese behaviour (which involves a lot more than watching violent videos online) is very different, that you might be experiencing confirmation bias.

    This sub-conversation on Chinese people (my primary one being on perceived media anti-Whiteness and the J0000z) deteriorated into an invidious diatribe–desultory and fucking retarded to be honest–which was not my intent at all. It started with both Razib misunderstanding me; and me not presenting my argument clearly (resulting from little sleep with final exams and personal drama). I just want to break cleanly from this nonsense. I’d be happy to start a new conversation on the subject at a later time if you encounter me here at Unz again (which you will if you’re a regular).

    Chinese culture is different from Western culture. Honestly, it’s set apart from all other cultures in some distinct ways. I maintain these are why there is a “bamboo ceiling.” I’m not walking back some of my main points, I’ve just lost control of this comment thread and don’t care to continue it here.

  43. @AnonymousCoward
    So MSM Jews are anti-white. But. MSM antiwhite lies are not Jewish, because other ethnies would do the same antiwhite lie too... if they dominated the media. Which they don't. And blaming MSM Silicon Valley demographics lies on those who do the lying - the named persons actually doing the lying in Razib's headline - is like being a SJW.

    If there are Jews with this particular anti-White bent then they’re naturally gonna gravitate toward professions that give them a platform. They’ll become talking heads, columnists, or pea-brained sociology cult leaders, er, instructors.

    There are myriad parallels between aggrieved White nationalists and SJWs. Many of their arguments are functionally equivalent. Here’s a standard WN gripe: Too many successful Jews? Cronyism! Jewish privilege! Meritocracy is a cover for Jewish nepotism. Now replace Jew with cishet, white, male or any combination thereof and you get an SJW argument.

    This is a funny position for me to be in, honestly, since I’ve been accused of being an anti-Semite for years. I just don’t like the arguments of WNs and think they’re basically SJWs for Whites. Besides, I like my wimminz tanned and I’ll be damned if a bunch of yokels say I can’t date or marry outside “muh race.”

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