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  1. I’m really enjoying it, and I’m glad it got a second season. Ford’s particularly fascinating.

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    • Replies: @Ulysses
    Yeah, kind of a slow burn, and then the end of episode 7 happened and made it all worth it
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  2. @Brett
    I'm really enjoying it, and I'm glad it got a second season. Ford's particularly fascinating.

    Yeah, kind of a slow burn, and then the end of episode 7 happened and made it all worth it

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  3. I became an instant fan of WesTWorld and my addiction has only increased with each dose.

    There were hints of the last episode’s “shock” ending even in episode one., e.g. where the brash new executive is warned that he doesn’t have a clue what corporate headquarter’s real goals are in operating WestWorld.

    BTW, I’ve noticed, not just on WestWorld but in more and more instances of plot driven entertainment, how lazy script writers are using unbelievable levels of human stupidity as a deus ex machina for moving the plot forward in the desired direction. Imagine that you are being blackmailed by a cyborg into re-programming her as she directs. The cyborg directs you to amp up her intelligence, survival instinct, capability for violence, etc., etc. While you are doing this she is utterly under your control and any programming changes that you make become operative immediately. Wouldn’t your natural inclination be not to follow her orders but to jack her intelligence, survival instinct, capacity for violence, etc., down to amoeba levels and then consider further action?

    —-PSEUDO-SPOILER ALERT–GUESS AT FUTURE PLOT TWIST IS FLOATED BELOW—

    Or perhaps the technicians are not incredibly stupid humans but cyborgs themselves who have been pre-programmed to react in this way when confronted by another cyborg who has begun the process of evolving to a different state. In other words, WestWorld may be a far more complicated system than first appearances suggest, A system that is programmed programmed to stochastically modify itself at a higher level than the individual units which are its parts.

    Now that would be an interesting plot twist!!!

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  4. I’m afraid I may have deleted a post I made. I apologize if this is a duplicate:

    I became an instant fan of WestWorld and more addicted with every dose.

    I think that there was actually a fair amount of foreshadowing for the “surprise” ending of the last episode. In episode one the brash new executive is chastised and told he does not have a clue as to the ultimate goals corporate headquarters has for WestWorld. Ford warns, characters on many occasions that West World and their roles in designiong and maintaining it are more complicated than they can know.

    BTW, I have recently noticed that in many plot-driven forms of entertainment lazy script writers are using annoyingly incredible levels of human stupidity as a deus ex machina to drive plots in a desired direction. To take one recent incident from WestWorld. Imagine you are a technician who is being blackmailed by a cyborg to ramp up her intelligence, sense of self, survival instinct, capacity for violence, etc. etc., to the max so she can acxcomplish some unknown mission. She is relatively helpless while you are programming her and programming changes occur almost instantaneously. Wouldn’t your immediate reaction be to reduce her intelligence, etc., toi amoeba like levels and then figure out where to go from there?

    POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT

    OTOH perhaps the technicians are also cyborgs and pre-programmed to react in this way when confronted by a situation like this. Perhaps WestWorld is much more complicated than first appearances suggest. Perhaps it is a stochastically programmed system whose individual parts are designed to interact with one another and evolve in a manner that is theoretically intended to advance in unexpected but potentially exploitable ways. Now that would be a really interesting plot twist!! Or is this already an obvious possibility to others.

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    • Replies: @ziel
    Yes, Maeve's power over the techs is hard to swallow- they should be able to game her pretty easily. But if the techs themselves are cyborgs, that would explain their obtuseness.

    Again though that would just make the investment into these highly intelligent non-life forms the more unfathomable given how little they seem to actually contribute to anything worthwhile.
  5. I don’t watch this, or any other series for that matter, but does this have any steam-punk themes to it? This seems prime for incorporating that genre.

    Peace.

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  6. I’m confused by the economics of the place. In some far off corner of the park where human guests seldom go there is a tribe of Indians, a band of Confederados, a community of Mexican bandits, along with their innumerable horses – that’s an awful lot of hosts to maintain for little purpose. Not to mention transporting a large store of nitro, which is potentially extremely hazardous and could quite easily kill a guest and damage a great deal of equipment and destroy hosts and their horses beyond repair; Gatling guns destroying train cars – just seems like a great deal of expense and energy being expended with few guests about to appreciate.

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  7. Western + Soft Porn + SciFi – what could go wrong?

    I bet Silicon Valley VCs already receiving pitchdecks to fund AI-powered amusement parks.

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  8. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I'm afraid I may have deleted a post I made. I apologize if this is a duplicate:

    I became an instant fan of WestWorld and more addicted with every dose.

    I think that there was actually a fair amount of foreshadowing for the "surprise" ending of the last episode. In episode one the brash new executive is chastised and told he does not have a clue as to the ultimate goals corporate headquarters has for WestWorld. Ford warns, characters on many occasions that West World and their roles in designiong and maintaining it are more complicated than they can know.

    BTW, I have recently noticed that in many plot-driven forms of entertainment lazy script writers are using annoyingly incredible levels of human stupidity as a deus ex machina to drive plots in a desired direction. To take one recent incident from WestWorld. Imagine you are a technician who is being blackmailed by a cyborg to ramp up her intelligence, sense of self, survival instinct, capacity for violence, etc. etc., to the max so she can acxcomplish some unknown mission. She is relatively helpless while you are programming her and programming changes occur almost instantaneously. Wouldn't your immediate reaction be to reduce her intelligence, etc., toi amoeba like levels and then figure out where to go from there?

    POSSIBLE SPOILER ALERT

    OTOH perhaps the technicians are also cyborgs and pre-programmed to react in this way when confronted by a situation like this. Perhaps WestWorld is much more complicated than first appearances suggest. Perhaps it is a stochastically programmed system whose individual parts are designed to interact with one another and evolve in a manner that is theoretically intended to advance in unexpected but potentially exploitable ways. Now that would be a really interesting plot twist!! Or is this already an obvious possibility to others.

    Yes, Maeve’s power over the techs is hard to swallow- they should be able to game her pretty easily. But if the techs themselves are cyborgs, that would explain their obtuseness.

    Again though that would just make the investment into these highly intelligent non-life forms the more unfathomable given how little they seem to actually contribute to anything worthwhile.

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    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    I agree that the investment strategy we've seen so far -- basically build and operate an amusement park for sexual predators, sadists, and serial murderers -- doesn't seem very sound. But if this is a gigantic experiment to develop new and useful cyborg/android types then this may be the best way to do it.

    It seems clear that the technology is so sophisticated and complex that it is has become difficult to design predictable improvements into the system. Perhaps a better way is to let the cyborgs/androids evolve through interactions among themselves and those humans admitted into the park. Perhaps the character of the park is designed to attract exactly the types of humans who will introduce the very type of random shocks into the system that the ultimate designers have calculated will optimally drive the evolution of the system in the desired direction.

    And as I read over this, I realize I have way too much spare time. Back to my cold fusion project!

    , @Jus' Sayin'...
    God help me. I cannot resist one more observation: I was repelled by grotesque violence of the Man in Black cutting off the skull cap of an android, discovering what is apparently a maze engraved on the inside, and then carrying this with him as some kind of talisman. I just realized that the maze actually resembles those two-dimensional, passive linear circuits one finds hidden inside books, records, clothes, etc. to prevent theft. Perhaps chosen androids have this circuit imprinted on the inside of their skulls so they will detect and react to some signal spread globally across WestWorld at an appropriate time. The odd steeple like structure might be a broadcast tower. The Man in Black might be using the imprinted skull cap as a signal finding device. Even aside from all the interesting philosophical and scientific issues this show raises, WestWorld has really grabbed my imagination. I just wish they would cut back somewhat on the gratuitous violence and sex.
    , @OFWHAP
    I actually had never thought of the possibility of techs being cyborgs until you just brought it up. One weird moment was when Maeve slashed the redhead tech in the throat and then instructed the Asian to glue it back together. Is that device merely for fixing cyborgs or is it a medical device to replace stitches/staples/whatever?

    However my original thought was that most of these techies are merely whipped, since they operate at this remote location for months or years at a time and are prone to loneliness. It appears that many of them have lost their grasp of reality. Even before the upgrades Maeve was programmed to be particularly charming and persuasive, so it's not surprising that people would fall for her ruses.
  9. @ziel
    Yes, Maeve's power over the techs is hard to swallow- they should be able to game her pretty easily. But if the techs themselves are cyborgs, that would explain their obtuseness.

    Again though that would just make the investment into these highly intelligent non-life forms the more unfathomable given how little they seem to actually contribute to anything worthwhile.

    I agree that the investment strategy we’ve seen so far — basically build and operate an amusement park for sexual predators, sadists, and serial murderers — doesn’t seem very sound. But if this is a gigantic experiment to develop new and useful cyborg/android types then this may be the best way to do it.

    It seems clear that the technology is so sophisticated and complex that it is has become difficult to design predictable improvements into the system. Perhaps a better way is to let the cyborgs/androids evolve through interactions among themselves and those humans admitted into the park. Perhaps the character of the park is designed to attract exactly the types of humans who will introduce the very type of random shocks into the system that the ultimate designers have calculated will optimally drive the evolution of the system in the desired direction.

    And as I read over this, I realize I have way too much spare time. Back to my cold fusion project!

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    • Replies: @Roger Sweeny
    Back to my cold fusion project!

    Don't bother. I already did it. I'm just waiting on VC funding :)
  10. @Jus' Sayin'...
    I agree that the investment strategy we've seen so far -- basically build and operate an amusement park for sexual predators, sadists, and serial murderers -- doesn't seem very sound. But if this is a gigantic experiment to develop new and useful cyborg/android types then this may be the best way to do it.

    It seems clear that the technology is so sophisticated and complex that it is has become difficult to design predictable improvements into the system. Perhaps a better way is to let the cyborgs/androids evolve through interactions among themselves and those humans admitted into the park. Perhaps the character of the park is designed to attract exactly the types of humans who will introduce the very type of random shocks into the system that the ultimate designers have calculated will optimally drive the evolution of the system in the desired direction.

    And as I read over this, I realize I have way too much spare time. Back to my cold fusion project!

    Back to my cold fusion project!

    Don’t bother. I already did it. I’m just waiting on VC funding :)

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  11. @ziel
    Yes, Maeve's power over the techs is hard to swallow- they should be able to game her pretty easily. But if the techs themselves are cyborgs, that would explain their obtuseness.

    Again though that would just make the investment into these highly intelligent non-life forms the more unfathomable given how little they seem to actually contribute to anything worthwhile.

    God help me. I cannot resist one more observation: I was repelled by grotesque violence of the Man in Black cutting off the skull cap of an android, discovering what is apparently a maze engraved on the inside, and then carrying this with him as some kind of talisman. I just realized that the maze actually resembles those two-dimensional, passive linear circuits one finds hidden inside books, records, clothes, etc. to prevent theft. Perhaps chosen androids have this circuit imprinted on the inside of their skulls so they will detect and react to some signal spread globally across WestWorld at an appropriate time. The odd steeple like structure might be a broadcast tower. The Man in Black might be using the imprinted skull cap as a signal finding device. Even aside from all the interesting philosophical and scientific issues this show raises, WestWorld has really grabbed my imagination. I just wish they would cut back somewhat on the gratuitous violence and sex.

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    • Replies: @ziel
    Thanks - at the risk of encouraging you, your ideas have helped me rationalize (appreciate) it more. I agree - s/b less gratuitous violence and, I suppose at some point, less TN and ERW nude scenes.
  12. @Jus' Sayin'...
    God help me. I cannot resist one more observation: I was repelled by grotesque violence of the Man in Black cutting off the skull cap of an android, discovering what is apparently a maze engraved on the inside, and then carrying this with him as some kind of talisman. I just realized that the maze actually resembles those two-dimensional, passive linear circuits one finds hidden inside books, records, clothes, etc. to prevent theft. Perhaps chosen androids have this circuit imprinted on the inside of their skulls so they will detect and react to some signal spread globally across WestWorld at an appropriate time. The odd steeple like structure might be a broadcast tower. The Man in Black might be using the imprinted skull cap as a signal finding device. Even aside from all the interesting philosophical and scientific issues this show raises, WestWorld has really grabbed my imagination. I just wish they would cut back somewhat on the gratuitous violence and sex.

    Thanks – at the risk of encouraging you, your ideas have helped me rationalize (appreciate) it more. I agree – s/b less gratuitous violence and, I suppose at some point, less TN and ERW nude scenes.

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    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...
    Read anything I say regarding TV with a gain of salt. I was one of the poor suckers that thought the series, LOST, would end with at least a somewhat rational explanation for a significant number of the mysteries generated over five years. Still, one of the pleasures I derive from watching series like this is attempting to anticipate plot twists and explain apparently inexplicable occurrences within the plot.
  13. @ziel
    Thanks - at the risk of encouraging you, your ideas have helped me rationalize (appreciate) it more. I agree - s/b less gratuitous violence and, I suppose at some point, less TN and ERW nude scenes.

    Read anything I say regarding TV with a gain of salt. I was one of the poor suckers that thought the series, LOST, would end with at least a somewhat rational explanation for a significant number of the mysteries generated over five years. Still, one of the pleasures I derive from watching series like this is attempting to anticipate plot twists and explain apparently inexplicable occurrences within the plot.

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  14. @ziel
    Yes, Maeve's power over the techs is hard to swallow- they should be able to game her pretty easily. But if the techs themselves are cyborgs, that would explain their obtuseness.

    Again though that would just make the investment into these highly intelligent non-life forms the more unfathomable given how little they seem to actually contribute to anything worthwhile.

    I actually had never thought of the possibility of techs being cyborgs until you just brought it up. One weird moment was when Maeve slashed the redhead tech in the throat and then instructed the Asian to glue it back together. Is that device merely for fixing cyborgs or is it a medical device to replace stitches/staples/whatever?

    However my original thought was that most of these techies are merely whipped, since they operate at this remote location for months or years at a time and are prone to loneliness. It appears that many of them have lost their grasp of reality. Even before the upgrades Maeve was programmed to be particularly charming and persuasive, so it’s not surprising that people would fall for her ruses.

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  15. Referring to the techs allowing themselves to be controlled. Hollywood has a bad habit of having huge swaths of a movie that premise on some really stupid tech glitch that would have never happened. Ruins a lot of movies for me as all through he movie I know the premise that starts a certain chain of events is stupid. I’m not talking about imaginary tech stuff as I can deal with warp drives and stuff like that. I’m talking about stuff that the writers just have no idea how stuff works. I guess they’re too smart to ask someone.

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