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51OMI4Jez3L._SX260_ I finally “broke” last year, and began watching Game of Thrones, the HBO show. As a longtime reader of the series I had held out hope that The Winds of Winter would come out early enough not to be spoiled by the series, but it was not to be. In fact, it is probably likely that that book will come out after next season.

Say whatever you will about the “fork” between the television series and the books, Benioff and Weiss have made it clear that they know the conclusion, and that they’ll tie the threads back together broadly in line with the books. That means unless Martin engages in a major course correction, we’ll know conclusion of the series years before last book.

I began to watch the show because it was pretty much impossible to avoid spoilers on Twitter as they began to push the story forward rapidly. What’s the point in waiting another ten years? But that also means that I now have access to other material which can spoil the show: below the fold is footage of the actors in what is clearly a very important scene. The scene brings together two characters who are so important that I have a hard time believing that this is a major difference between the book and the television show. It is entirely likely that this scene occurs in the book in some form. It isn’t an entirely unlikely occurrence, but, it still brings into realization what was only a probability.

If you want to be spoiled, click below the fold. Even if you don’t want to be spoiled, it will happen. If you haven’t read the book and are waiting on George R. R. Martin to finish, probably a good time to read all the books that are out and hope Winds comes out shortly.



 
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  1. The odds are that GRR Martin won’t ever finished the series, picture the Wheel of Time series situation, but without the GRR Martin handling the series to another author to finished, still, we’ll see the ending through the TV version , an oversimplify one, but still ending none the less.

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  2. RRREEEEEEEE

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  3. “Shit! Fuck! Shit fuck!” as they say. I’ve given up hope that Martin will publish any more books before he dies. I’m just hoping there’s a detailed outline left behind, even with the understanding that the story would have had changes from that outline if he had ever written the rest of the series. I hope they’ll publish the outline then, and be done with it. Instead, we’ll probably get a couple of dozen more Westeros books, similar to how more Dune books have come out since Frank Herbert died than were published in his lifetime.

    What a depressing time to be alive.

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  4. Outcome is not all that matter in Martin’s books. One of his great feats is the reversal of moral appreciations of characters by changing the point-of-view. See Jaime Lannister. In my view, Martin has been careful to prepare other reversals for Jon and Daenerys (and much of that is lost in the show).

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  5. Martin will never finish the series but there are some clues that he probably will never finish even Winds of Winter and has not written anything new for years. So do not hold your breath for the books. He probably has no idea how to continue the story that went out of control and does not really care anymore. He started this series 25 years ago, he never intended for it to take such a big part of his life, he moved on to other things.
    The HBO show will be all that we will ever get and it’s already a lot.

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  6. Way to spoil future events with that video title. Not that the spoiler is any surprise as lead characters are bound to meet sometimes.

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  7. I’m still keeping hope alive that WoW will be published before the next season. Perhaps one reason why HBO scheduled it for July instead of the usual April? Either way the final season will come before the final book, so eventually we’ll be spoiled with the ending. :(

    I do feel bad for Martin. He’s in an unprecedented position with a lot of weight on his shoulders. But come on, give the man some Adderall and git r done!

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    Have you seen the man? 20 mg of adderall and he'd have a coronary for sure.
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  8. The fellow who introduced me to George Martin’s Game of Thrones series is a rabid Martin Fan. He warned me that Martin took years and years to produce each volume, that he was old and not particularly healthy, and that it was very likely the series would end up like The Mystery of Edwin Drood. He now thinks that the TV series is a blessing. It gives Martin a chance to craft an artistically uncompromised, general narrative arc leading to a conclusion without sweating the details. It may even allow him to finish one more book in the series, if not the entire series. It’s the best fans can hope for at this point.

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  9. I’m sort of curious what’s up with Martin. He used to churn out a novel every year or two, so its not like he’s incapable of writing quickly. And presumably if he’d lost interest in the series, he’d just get a ghost-writer, or publish his wastebasket or whatever to cash in. Plus he keeps writing prequels and such in the same universe, so its not like he can’t stand it.

    But he claimed to have Dance with Dragons done in 2005, and didn’t publish it until 2011. And while it was a good book, it was basically just a bunch of vignettes. And he’s been promising the next installment is going to be published “next year” for several years running, despite the fact that HBO and his publisher were pretty obviously leaning on him to get it done before the TV show ends.

    I’m not super invested in the series, and haven’t watched the TV show, so its not like I’m angry or anything. But I’m kinda interested what the malfunction is.

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  10. I’m still hopeful that at least the last book will come out quickly.By then he’ll probably have everyone in place and will have killed off a ton of characters, so it will flow better. The story is ultimately collapsing back towards two theaters – the South and the North. And eventually it will just be the remaining characters at Winterfell.

    @Jonjon

    That’s too pessimistic. He’s just super-perfectionist and careful, and willing to rewrite vast sections of a draft even if it means big delays. Contrast that with Robert Jordan, who IIRC realized that the structure of Crossroads of Twilight in the Wheel of Time series wasn’t working but decided to just get it done and out there.

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  11. After WoW, another two volumes of a thousand pages each would be needed to bring the story to a plausible conclusion — there’s simple too much going on, too many overlapping stories. I don’t think GRRM is ever going to finish it. Ah well, move on to other things ….

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  12. @sprfls
    I'm still keeping hope alive that WoW will be published before the next season. Perhaps one reason why HBO scheduled it for July instead of the usual April? Either way the final season will come before the final book, so eventually we'll be spoiled with the ending. :(

    I do feel bad for Martin. He's in an unprecedented position with a lot of weight on his shoulders. But come on, give the man some Adderall and git r done!

    Have you seen the man? 20 mg of adderall and he’d have a coronary for sure.

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  13. I read once that he gave orders to destroy all his notes upon his death. So if he passes before the books are published, the TV show really is all we get. While they do a great job, tv naturally loses so much of the story depth.

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  14. I’m always amazed at how many smart people like this show. I couldn’t get through more than four episodes. Completely camp. Overly sexualized, jarring use of modern vernacular and generally unrealistic dialogue. Basically panders to the modern, low attention span viewer for whom good storytelling is not enough.

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    The gimmick for smart people and people who think that they are smart is the moral ambiguity of the series thus far - the (albeit flawed) good guy heroes die, often abruptly, while the bad guys prosper, at least for a time. It hasn't become a morality tale yet, and won't until Jon Snow is revealed to be the synthesis of Ice (Stark) and Fire (Targaryen) in the person of the Price Who was Promised, harnessing the power of fire (the Dragons) to repel the ice (white walkers) and unite and restore the Seven Kingdoms under his rule.

    It's one of those things that you have to watch for pop culture literacy - no matter where you go or what your peer group it's going to become a topic of conversation so you might as well watch it just to get on.
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  15. @chrisare
    I'm always amazed at how many smart people like this show. I couldn't get through more than four episodes. Completely camp. Overly sexualized, jarring use of modern vernacular and generally unrealistic dialogue. Basically panders to the modern, low attention span viewer for whom good storytelling is not enough.

    The gimmick for smart people and people who think that they are smart is the moral ambiguity of the series thus far – the (albeit flawed) good guy heroes die, often abruptly, while the bad guys prosper, at least for a time. It hasn’t become a morality tale yet, and won’t until Jon Snow is revealed to be the synthesis of Ice (Stark) and Fire (Targaryen) in the person of the Price Who was Promised, harnessing the power of fire (the Dragons) to repel the ice (white walkers) and unite and restore the Seven Kingdoms under his rule.

    It’s one of those things that you have to watch for pop culture literacy – no matter where you go or what your peer group it’s going to become a topic of conversation so you might as well watch it just to get on.

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  16. If y’all like GOT, you’ll love the First Law trilogy, Best Served Cold, and The Heroes by Joe Abercrombie. The best sword ‘n sorcery I’ve ever read, may the ghost of Robert E. Howard forgive me.

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  17. As far as I’m concerned, the HBO show is now canon and if and where the books deviate, the books are apocrypha.

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