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The European peoples have long thought and felt that each of them was unique, reflecting the particularly history and struggles the successive generations of their ancestors. The cultural differences of European nations have long been known, but today, genetic science is also able to quantify just how unique each nation is from a biological point of view as well.

A paper published last year in Nature observed that most Europeans descend essentially from three ancestral populations:

European hunter-gatherers who settled the continent in the Upper Paleolithic, Europe’s first farmers who expanded from Anatolia across Europe in the early Neolithic starting around 8000 years ago, and groups from the Pontic Steppe that arrived in Europe during the final Neolithic and early Bronze Age ~ 4500 years ago.

Most Europeans’ ancestry can be broken down as a mix of these three ancestral populations. However, the paper adds:

This model, however, does not fit well for present-day populations from north-eastern Europe such as Saami, Russians, Mordovians, Chuvash, Estonians, Hungarians, and Finns: they carry additional ancestry seen as increased allele sharing with modern East Asian populations. The origin and timing of this East Asian-related contribution is unknown.

Hence the existence of so many amusing and tongue-in-cheek Finns-as-Mongols and Finns-as-Elves memes (in general, Elves are generally portrayed looking like northern Europeans with a dash of Oriental).

The Finns, Hungarians, and Estonians are unique in Europe in speaking Finno-Ugric languages. Most European nations speak Indo-European languages, descending from the original language of conquerors hailing from the Pontic Steppe. Genetic studies suggest that Finns are not just uniquely linguistically, but also genetically. Similarly, the Basque are the only other nation in Europe not speaking an Indo-European language and, as I have previously written, their region too appears to be genetically distinct relative to the rest of the French population.

In fact, any East Asian contribution to the Finnish gene pool long predates the Mongols and even the spread of Uralic languages in northern Europe. The scientists estimate that Siberian DNA was present in Finland at least 3,500 years ago.

The existence of a genetically-unique Finnish people has proven beneficial to humanity. A striking example of this is a study conducted by the Washington University School of Medicine which “harnessed the unique genetic history of the people of Finland to identify variations in DNA that might predispose certain individuals to disease, whether or not they are Finnish themselves.”

The Finns, having a unique gene pool, are much more likely to have certain genes predisposing to certain diseases. By analyzing Finnish genomes, the scientists were much better able to determine the correlations between genes and diseases. These genes and diseases are also present, albeit much less frequently, among other populations and hence the study of Finns is also beneficial to humanity’s health as a whole.

The researchers identified “26 potentially harmful DNA variations relevant to cardiovascular and metabolic health,” including genes raising the risk of obesity, diabetes, or high cholesterol levels. What’s more:

Of the 26 DNA variations identified, 19 are either unique to Finnish individuals or over 20 times more frequent in Finland compared with elsewhere in Europe.

Without this unique population — isolated and relatively genetically similar – the researchers estimate they would need to sequence the DNA of hundreds of thousands to millions of people to find these same associations, rather than the relatively manageable 20,000 individuals analyzed in this study.

Adam E. Locke, one of the researchers, observes that Finland has preserved its genetic uniqueness through low historic immigration:

The small population of people who first settled this part of the world – combined with relatively little immigration that would add variation to the gene pool – has pushed important genetic variants that first existed in the founding population to expand and become much more common than they would be elsewhere. Now we can delve into the patient data – which is extremely well-characterized through Finland’s national health-care system – to understand how these genetic variants influence overall health and disease risk in the people who have them.

We can then expect that this typically Nordic combination of genetic uniqueness and quality healthcare systems will prove beneficial to humanity as a whole.

Concerning physiognomy and health, no one denies that ethnic and racial groups have genetically-determined differences. Concerning the Finns:

Finland is a relatively isolated country, and with two major population bottlenecks over its history, the Finnish people have DNA more similar to one another than people in many other parts of the world. . . . The effect has produced a set of genetic diseases – called the Finnish Disease Heritage – that can occur anywhere but are much more common in Finland than in other European populations.

The Jews are another people – because of founder effects and generations of careful, religiously-sanctioned protection of their gene pool from foreign infiltration – uniquely prone to various diseases.

Still, while everyone recognizes physical and health differences due race and ethnicity, few openly discuss differences in physical and sporting ability, let alone cognitive ability and temperament. But it would be very strange if local human evolution affected populations’ physical appearance, their health, but not, curiously, their most important organ: their brain. No less than a miracle from some particularly egalitarian-minded God would be necessary. While average IQ differences between populations are well-documented, we have only barely scratched the surface temperamental differences.

The scientists add that other genetically-unique populations could be studied in this manner: “For example, communities of people living on islands such as Sardinia in Italy, Crete in Greece or the Samoan Islands in the South Pacific also might provide similarly genetically unique populations to study, and perhaps highlight some different yet universal aspects of human health.” All this is possible only because these ethnic groups were kept relatively separate.

Human beings used to be of the opinion that homogeneous nation-states and the preservation of distinct racial/genetic identities were goods for humanity. As late as 1958, an American judge upheld segregation laws writing:

Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And, but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such marriage. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.

Decades earlier, and on a more Darwinian and secular note, the celebrated American horror novelist H. P. Lovecraft argued: “Race prejudice is a gift of nature, intended to preserve in purity the various divisions of mankind which the ages have evolved.”

Personally, I tend to think that human cultural diversity and achievement has been promoted by the existence of genetically distinct peoples – European, Middle-Eastern, Indian, East Asian, including subdivisions within these – and their interaction. Humanity would no doubt have been less fecund if we were made up only of one amorphous blob rather than various nations and peoples, each with their own unique cultural and biological heritage.

The genetic separation and uniqueness of many peoples, especially the Western, is unlikely to survive this century. There will of course still be White Americans, indigenous English, French, Finns, and so on, but, barring a political revolution, they will gradually lose their sovereignty and everything is going to get very muddled indeed over time.

Whatever one thinks of these developments, they are taking place based on the false assumption that race does not exist, that human populations are fully interchangeable, and that the genetic identity of the population is of no relevance to national character and prosperity. This tremendous change is occurring in a fit of mindlessness.

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  1. GeeBee says:

    ‘Whatever one thinks of these developments, they are taking place based on the false assumption that race does not exist, that human populations are fully interchangeable, and that the genetic identity of the population is of no relevance to national character and prosperity. This tremendous change is occurring in a fit of mindlessness.’

    That the priceless bequest of a hundred thousand years of human diversity – true diversity, not its opposite that is so cynically and endlessly peddled to us – is set to be irrevocably squandered without a second thought is testament both to the evils of those pursuing this course and to the dangerous double headed beast that is modern technology.

    • Replies: @East Indian2
  2. BCB232 says:

    They say we are motivated by “hate” but we are motivated by love.

    • Replies: @SOCRATES
  3. I´m afraid two thirds of the dames are pure middle Swedish again 😛

    But I agree the Finnish combination of blonde hair, blue eyes and distinct Asian features is a special kind of cute 😉

    • Agree: Alfred
  4. The scientists add that other genetically-unique populations could be studied in this manner: “For example, communities of people living on islands such as Sardinia in Italy, Crete in Greece or the Samoan Islands in the South Pacific also might provide similarly genetically unique populations to study, and perhaps highlight some different yet universal aspects of human health.”

    Life expectancy on the Greek island of Ikaria is almost a decade longer than in Greece proper for as yet unexplained reasons. I have heard of longevity-minded millionaires moving there, eating the local herbs, etc. but I strongly suspect they’re wasting their time.

  5. Svevlad says:

    Worst of all, everyone that matters actually knows what causes the brain differences, they know exactly how to fix them, yet they have no interest (and probably no balls) to do it.

  6. @nokangaroos

    I´m afraid two thirds of the dames are pure middle Swedish again 😛

    Can’t be true: Half of them look like babes I’ve seen on the streets of Moscow.

    • Agree: Hossein
    • Replies: @j2
  7. j2 says:
    @The Alarmist

    One of them is half-Finn, rest are full Finns. The half-Finn (Russian father) won, I guess she had the strange exotic European looks (which you probably do not notice).

    At that age girls do look quite similar, but fortunately many girls make tattoos, so you can tell them apart.

    That elf meme is because Tolkien created the elf language using the Finnish grammar, and Arwen Undomiel, it is Untomieli, inspired by Kalevala.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @Sean
  8. Anne Lid says:
    @nokangaroos

    One Hungarian classmate of mine in secondary school had flaxen hair and blue eyes with proper epicanthic folds. Very striking features, and cute indeed.

    • Replies: @Logan
  9. getaclue says:

    This article is exactly why the Kalergi Plan was developed by the “Elites”/Banksters and is well funded by them and is now being implemented worldwide by their NGOs/Lackeys/Soros in Europe especially (and the USA….) — No “Conspiracy Theory” well documented and historical fact. Exactly what we see with the “Migrants” being transported in massive numbers by NGOs and traffickers. A generation or two from now and the “Diversity” highlighted in the article won’t be around but the type the NWO cretins want will be and is well on the way now, don’t look for coverage of it in the NYSlimes or Mainslime Media…. https://sovereignwales.com/2016/09/20/the-genocidal-kalergi-plan-to-destroy-the-indigenous-nations-and-peoples-of-europe/

  10. @j2

    Hi j2, completely OT, but I had a question about one of your sources for the upper bound on the deaths at Auschwitz. What is the origin of your claim that 410K Jews survived in concentration camps after the war? The only thing I could find online (I was able to verify all the other numbers) was a claim by the USHMM that according to SS records there were 700K camp inmates at the end of the war, but nothing on Jews specifically. Presumably most were Jews, but I was wondering if you had a specific source. Thanks in advance.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @j2
    , @j2
    , @Wally
  11. Sean says:

    The Finns, having a unique gene pool, are much more likely to have certain genes predisposing to certain diseases.

    No. They are much more likely to have genes that improve their fitness in local conditions.

    https://www.unz.com/pfrost/more-on-french-canadians-and-tay-sachs/

    Are lysosomal storage illnesses common in eastern Quebec for the same reason that they are common among Ashkenazi Jews? At first thought, the idea may seem absurd. Weren’t French Canadians historically a nation of farmers? And didn’t British merchants fill all of the mentally demanding occupations?

    In reality, things were not so simple. There was always a French-Canadian middle class, particularly wherever British merchants were few and far between. They were especially rare in those parts of eastern Quebec that today have high rates of Tay Sach’s (Charlevoix, Saguenay-Lac Saint-Jean, Bas Saint-Laurent). This rarity came to the notice of Alexis de Tocqueville while passing through Bas Saint-Laurent in 1831:

    The West is importing elites now.

    In parts of Finland that is something that is similar to but distinct from distinct from Tay–Sachs disease . According to Peter Frost that part of Finland had less foreign overlords.

    The aforementioned Finnish Tay Sachs-like disease is also found in dogs bred for intelligence, ie working herding dogs.

    http://www.animalabs.com/shop/dogs/neuronal-ceroid-lipofuscinosis-border-collie/

    • Replies: @j2
    , @obwandiyag
  12. I wish all these beauties mate with an pure African man. Their babies would look so cute.
    Anyway , race is a social construct.
    As a person of half Jewish ancestry , I get uncomfortable with the existence of any blue eyed and blonde folks. I hope, before 2050, no blonde and blue eyed people exist.
    In Finland,
    Deplatforming of right wingers continues to happen everyday.

    Islam is growing and getting respect.

    Christian supremacy is getting criticized

    Most white people are old and dying off

    White birth rates are low

    White girls are increasingly having Children of Color with Men of Color

    Open borders immigration is about to be a reality

    Darn it feels good now.

    • LOL: byrresheim
    • Troll: Pater
  13. j2 says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    I had a source for the number. I will look for it.

  14. @Anatoly Karlin

    Personally, spent quite a lot of time on Ikaria and have some family from there. Those longevity millionaires are as misguided as the New Age morons that to Ikaria to learn about living longer. One of the key reasons Ikaria displays longevity (so do other places in Greece) is probably social. An outsider; particularly a spoilt Westerner, will never integrate into a tight-knight village where there are not only rights but also obligations and responsibilities to the community.

  15. j2 says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    I did not easily find the source I used as I dumped most of the printed material for the study (made 2007) when I moved to another city. But I give another source. The numbers are not much different.

    American Jewish Yearbook Vol 51, year 1950,
    http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/Vol_51__1950.pdf
    – has on page 315 the number 197,005 for Jewish survivors on DP camps December, 1946
    – on page 317 is mentioned that about 20,000 Jewish (camp) survivors cared for themselves, i.e., about 20,000 are not included in 197,005, the precise figure.

    [MORE]

    Then we take AJY 38/39 and 48/49 sum the figures to get that in countries occupied by Germany in the war except for the Soviet Union of 1941: (the text is from my posts)

    AJY 1939-40 gives the Jewish populations to Belgium, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Danzig, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Yugoslavia, Netherlands, Norway and Luxemburg. Austria is merged into Germany in these figures. These figures sum to 2.216 million. The figure for Germany after annexing Austria is given as 691,163, correcting it to 300,000 in 1941 for Germany and Austria from the 1939 estimate of the American Jewish Year Book for 1948-49 given on Table 6 on the page 697. Thus, the estimate for Jews in these countries is 1.83 million for 1941. (That is, this is from AJY with my correction to one figure)

    Then we use the very good figure that 1.126-1.2 million were transported from these countries. 1.2 million is the Yad Vashem figure, let’s use it. It leaves 1.83-1.2=0.63 million to these countries.

    In 1948, in the countries (Belgium, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Danzig, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Yugoslavia, Holland, Luxembourg ja Norway) were 0.83 million Jews.

    So, the difference is 0.83-0.63=0.2 million. Some, but a small part, is of population growth (as people also die in the war time). That the number in 1948/49 is 200,000 larger can only mean that about this number Jews returned form camps and went home, not to DP camps.

    Adding these Jews:
    200,000 returned from camps home, did not go to DP camps
    197,000 were in DP camps December 1046
    20,000 were in DP camp as refugees in a way, but cared for themselves and are not in 197,005.
    —-
    = about 417,000 Jews survived the war in concentration camps.

    The numbers I used were that after the war there were 250,000 Jews in DP camps and 50,000 of them were still in camps in 1946. It is not in contradiction with the figure that December 1946 there were 197,005 Jews in DP camps, because this only means that new Jews came to the camps after the war ended. This is also not in contradiction with the number that 410,000 Jews survived in camps: 250,000 went to DP camps and 160,000 returned home. So, the numbers I used from another reference are not in any contradiction with these numbers, but as here is a reference, let us use these numbers. All of these numbers are in a sense correct, but still they are all different. It is because they do not mean the same thing. (50,000 Jews in DP camps in 1946 from the 250,000 that were there straight after the war is not in contradiction with that 197,000 Jews were in DP camps in 1946, there were newcomers).

    Let’s do the DP camp calculation with this reference.

    AJY 1950 gives the number of Jews in the DP camps in June 30. 1948 as 142,936. Additionally there were the 20,000. June 30. 1949 there were 52,398. Thus, since June 30 1946 only 163,000 Jews could have migrated anywhere from DP camps, unless there came new Jews to the camps.

    Israel was founded May 14. 1948. To Israel migrated 338,000 Jews 1948-53 from DP camps, to the USA 80,000, to Canada and South Africa 20,000. Together migrated 438,000. There was
    163,000. Thus, 275,000 had come to DP camps after June 30. 1948. At most 123,000 were from Romania, so 152,000 had to come from the East. At most 104,000 were from Poland, so 50,000 apparently were survivors of Operation Reinhard camps. So, more people survived these camps than the official story claims.

    I consider my original numbers more correct (as after the war there were 250,000 Jews in DP camps and only 50,000 of these Jews were still on DP camps in 1946), but even with these Jewish numbers you get a contradiction with the official story.

    Is this enough for you, or will I try to locate the original source I used? It does not pop up in google, as it did in 2007.

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    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  16. j2 says:
    @j2

    This may suggest that 250,000 Jews were in DP camps straight after the war (but it confuses that new Jews came there after the war and that in total 438,000 migrated from DP camps). In general, all data is rather confusing concerning the DP camps. I did what I saw the most likely fit to all information. Over 197,000 were in camps, and new Jews did come to camps after 1945.

    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/displaced-persons
    “From 1945 to 1952, more than 250,000 Jewish displaced persons (DPs) lived in camps and urban centers in Germany, Austria, and Italy. These facilities were administered by Allied authorities and the United Nations Relief and Rehabilitation Administration (UNRRA).”

  17. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @nokangaroos

    I am around East Asians all the time and none of those women in the pictures of Miss Finland look Asian to me.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Tony
    , @tamo
  18. j2 says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    I will calculate the number from the American Jewish Congress Yearbook vol 50, 1948/49, statistics
    http://www.ajcarchives.org/AJC_DATA/Files/1948_1949_18_Statistics.pdf

    [MORE]

    Page 708, Table 13 gives the number of Jews in DP camps in Germany, Italy, Austria end 1945 as 90,000. (There are local German Jews, 15,000 and Shanghai Jews, 15,000, remove either one of them, I do not include the 15,000 emigration to Shanghai, so this makes no error)

    Page 709, Table 14, add displaced Jews in Czechoslovakia, Hungary, the Soviet Union, end of 1945. These are displaced, so not from those countries. In the Soviet Union they are mainly Polish Jews (that is, West Poland of the division of 1939). The sum is 202,00-207,000, set to 205,000.

    Together these make 90,000+205,000=295,000. But this figure does not correctly count Jews of Western Poland. What I want is the number of Jewish survivors in camps in 1945 in the area that included all that Germany had occupied, with the exception of the Soviet Union of 1939-41 (which includes the three Baltic countries and Eastern Poland). Thus, Western Polish Jews in the Soviet Union in the Table 14 should be there, but there are missing Western Polish Jews.

    P. 693 Table 1 gives the Polish Jewish population as 88,000 in 1948.
    P. 697 Table 6 gives the number of Polish Jewish survivors as 3.25-2.9=350,000. This is survivors of Western Polish Jews, the Eastern Polish Jews were later Soviet Jews.
    Thus, 262,000 are somewhere, in the Soviet Union displaced Jews figure of Table 14 are only 180,00. There is missing 82,00.
    P. 715 explains this, Polish Jews came later to DP camps, 98,800 in the year 1946. These are still not from the Eastern areas (the area of the Soviet Union after it took Eastern Poland), these are from Soviet occupied Western Poland.
    P. 713 gives the number of Jews in DP camps after these Western Polish Jews had come, as about 231,900-206,000. Let us set the number to 205,000, as some Romanian Jews also had come.

    The number of Jewish survivor from concentration camps and work camps in the area occupied by Germany before the Barbarossa attack is thus:
    205,000 in DP camps in the Western allied area
    205,000 displaced Jews in Czechoslovakia, Hungary and the Soviet Union

    410,000

    Comment: the issue of DP camps is messy, as there is an obvious effort to confuse the total death toll. But this is one way you can deduce that the number of survivors who were in camps was about 410,000 Jews. There were other displaced Jews, who escaped to other countries, they are not included in this number. This is just those who were in German hands in camps.

    • Replies: @JMcG
  19. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “The aforementioned Finnish Tay Sachs-like disease is also found in dogs bred for intelligence, ie working herding dogs”

    Breeding reduces the gene pool and a small genetic pool leads to genetic diseases. As for if any genetic disease of the brain causes higher intelligence in heterozygotes, I very much doubt it.

    The reason is simple: if some mutated gene gives some advantage as heterozygote (one non-mutated gene, one mutated gene in the chromosome) and causes a serious disease as homozygote (two mutated genes in a chromosome, or a single mutated gene in the male X-chromosome), then the rate of carriers of the disease (heterozygotes) to the prevalence of the disease (homozygotes) is not the same number as is given by the Hardy-Weinberg equation in equilibrium. The recessive advantage of such a gene gives a clearly different ratio, depending on how much advantage the mutated gene gives.

    There is data on most of the Ashkenazi Jewish diseases giving the carrier frequency and the prevalence rate. For all of these diseases the measured ratio is very close to the one given by the Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium. This strongly implies that these diseases do not give any recessive advantage, thus they do not increase intelligence.

    The same is most probably true of Finnish diseases. In fact, very few diseases give any recessive advantage. One of the very few is the gene for sickle cell anemia, which does give some protection against malaria.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  20. @j2

    This is fantastic, thanks again for your work on this topic. You don’t need to dig up the original source, but was it a book or a website?

    BTW, even if we allow for 100K uncertainty on the two most complicated sunsets (Jews who survived in camps and those who died in German camps), that puts an upper bound on Auschwitz at 500K, which still refutes the official story.

    And going further OT (apologies for thread-jacking, this forum needs PM), are you familiar with Himmler’s bartering attempts with Sweden at the end of the war:

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v11/v11p335_Nordling.html

    He’s obviously embellishing numbers, but it ties in to (reasonable) speculation about Eichmann’s role in transfer of Hungarian Jews (who account for the single biggest mismatch with the Auschwitz death books).

    • Replies: @j2
  21. @anonymous

    ASIANS IN SCANDINAVIA

    That is because Swedes and Norwegians are descended from Germanic tribes whose populations simply expanded Northwards into Scandinavia. Denmark is lumped into Scandinavia but it is North Germany for all practical purposes.

    Finns are originally from Hungary and speak a similar language-they are Slavs, essentially.

    Laplander people are not exactly Eurasian, they migrated from Siberia at some point. They did live in Scandinavia before Germanic tribes arrived but intermarriage was limited and in any event they live in the far North in Lapland.

    Nobody in Malmo or Copenhagen is an Asiatic.

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    , @Logan
  22. @j2

    j2

    While it is extremely politically incorrect to state the obvious, Africans anti-malarial adaptations made them more vulnerable to AIDS and that is why it is so prevalent among Africans everywhere.

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    , @j2
  23. Sean says:

    The cleverest dogs are working border collies, with many of the greatest working Collies having been carriers for Collie eye anomaly”. Working Border collies also tend to suffer from another quite different disease; something called Ceroid-Lipofucinosis. One breeder says one of his best dogs has it.

    Humans get something similar, its called Neuronal ceroid lipofuscinosis. Up until the 1900s it was thought to be identical to Tay-Sachs. One form is called Infantile neuronal ceroid lipofuscinosis and is extremely rare; except in Finland where it was first identified .

    I think there is a similarity to Tay Sachs in Quebec ‘LOCAL carrier frequency in the western coastline communities is 1:24, whereas carrier frequency in the rest of Finland is less than 1:100.’
    The age of human mutation:genealogical and linkage disequilibrium analysis of the CLN5 mutation in the Finnish population. says “. The pedigrees of the vLINCL ancestors merged on many occasions, which also supports a single founder mutation that obviously happened 20 to 30 generations ago (i.e., approximately 500 years ago) in this isolated population.”

    I am reliably informed that “the western coastline was under stronger Swedish influence than the rest of Finland”, and consequently “the market economy may have developed there at an earlier date, with an attendant increase in demand for literate and numerate individuals with a future-oriented time orientation”.

    For all of these diseases the measured ratio is very close to the one given by the Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium. This strongly implies that these diseases do not give any recessive advantage, thus they do not increase intelligence.

    Why is the canine version of the disease that started 500 years ago in the part of Finland where the market economy got started also found in the world most intelligent dogs, which are working herding dogs. Please note that these dogs are bred for their mental abilities and not their looks and disease is a great disadvantage so recessives would be eliminated by the breeders. If they can’t, it’s because the best dogs tend to carry a recessive.

    In fact, very few diseases give any recessive advantage. One of the very few is the gene for sickle cell anemia, which does give some protection against malaria.

    I hardly think you are making a killer argument for thinking that recessives other than the animalaria ones do not survive and spread by conferring a recessive carrier advantage. If anything the logical inference would be quite the opposite: that while anti malaria recessives confer a massive advantage, a very tiny barely there advantage has been enough to enable other recessives to spread from a single founder hundreds of years ago.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @obwandiyag
    , @Anounder
  24. j2 says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “Africans anti-malarial adaptations made them more vulnerable to AIDS”

    This may well be correct, and the gene for sickle cell anemia was not that good protection. Let us simply forget about the small possibility that deleterious genes may occasionally have positive effects in heterozygotes. What is bad is bad, usually.

    “Finns are originally from Hungary and speak a similar language-they are Slavs, essentially.”

    No, Finns are original fenno-ugrig, like Mari people, or any of those fenno-ugric people you may still find in Russia.

    Hungarians are not genetically fenno-ugrian, but from old graves you can find out that once their country was conquered by fenno-ugrian people called Magyar. Magyars had the Y-DNA haplogroup N, like Finns have. This you see from graves when analyzing the bones. Present day Hungarians do not have this haplogroup, or it is very rare. Present day Hungarians are mainly descendants of the people, who Magyars conquered. They are genetically Slavs, not much different from Poles.

    Finns are different, they are not Slavs, and they are also not Scandinavian or Germanic. (Or Saami, for that matter. Saami came most probably from Ural at some point.)

    Northern Russians appear in some aDNA plots as similar to Finns, but not in other pots. There has not been any major admixture between Russians and Finns. The partial genetic similarity is because Northern Russians have some Permian or Carelian blood and those people were once the same people as Finns. Finns are part of a Northern hunter-gatherer population that once lived in all Northern latitudes of Eurasia from Finland to North Korea, but did not invent anything great, like a civilization, did not conquer anyone, but just kind of stayed there where they were and minded their own business. And that’s about the wisest thing you could do with your life.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
    , @Iris
  25. j2 says:

    “While average IQ differences between populations are well-documented, we have only barely scratched the surface temperamental differences.”

    Most Europeans are genetically very similar, or at least on a continuous spectrum, and because of that they can feel that all people are similar inside, feel the same and so on. It is not so. Even though Finns are only in a very minor way genetically different from main stream Europeans, there are clear differences. Even Finns, who are 80-90% European, are not psychologically the same as European in temperament and psychology, so what can one expect from people, who are genetically very far from Europeans. Do not think you ever understand Chinese or American Indians or so. They are people, but not just like you. Forget that all are the same, all are not the same. They do not like your art, your music, your movies, your truths, anything, like you do not see any sense in what they do. People are not all the same.

    I know some people, foreigners (=idiots), who, when watching young Finns, imagine that it is cultural, that this new generation is the same as Europeans. I think they are naive and brainwashed. It is not so. I could not be anything what I am not, neither can the kids, they are just young for a while. When those young people grow up, they will be just the same Finns. It is mainly genetic. Once they stop pretending being European, they are the same as their parents were. Nothing ever changes. But about IQ, it really depends on what you have read, on schools and so on. Teach advanced math. in schools, so the kids will do well in math. olympiads (and fail the real life). IQ is not that genetic, you know.

  26. @j2

    j2

    Lapps were not from the Ural Mountains. They originated slightly east of Lapland in Siberia somewhere.

    They were in Northern Scandinavia prior to Germanic tribes who became Swedes or Norwegians.

    As for Finns minding their own business, well, perhaps, but they gave the Germans hell during WWII.

    Scientist have long known that some West Central African adaptation to mosquito-borne viruses somehow made Africans more susceptible to the AIDS virus. African-Americans are descended from West African tribes and so this is why a 40 year old Filipino bar girl on the game for decades is less likely to have AIDS than 15 year old black teenager from St. Louis.

    This makes it unfair to simply dismiss high AIDS rates among blacks as a result of promiscuity, but it is also racist to say they developed some resistance to mosquito borne pathogens.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @JMcG
  27. j2 says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “Lapps were not from the Ural Mountains. They originated slightly east of Lapland in Siberia somewhere. ”

    Maybe so, but I once looked at admixture plots by Myllyla and from them it looked like Saami are from some area close to Mari and Chuvas, almost identical DNA. Saami are some ancient hunter people, not closely related to Finns or anybody, but genetically they look fenno-ugrian:
    http://www.pienisalaliittotutkimus.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=601&action=edit

    “As for Finns minding their own business, well, perhaps, but they gave the Germans hell during WWII.”

    Maybe you mean Soviets, not Germans. Finns were on the German side in the WWII. The war Finland had against Germany in 1944, that is, forcibly pushing Germans to Norway as the Soviets demanded it, was not a major war, like WWII. Finns used only infantry and small forces, no artillery, no air force. Germans in principle agreed to withdraw, as they had already lost the war. Though Germans did burn Lapland (not so nice people) because Soviets demanded that Finns had to force Germans to leave faster than they wanted, that is, leaving material behind. This material went to Soviets, that’s what they wanted.

  28. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “I hardly think you are making a killer argument for thinking that recessives other than the animalaria ones do not survive and spread by conferring a recessive carrier advantage. If anything the logical inference would be quite the opposite: that while anti malaria recessives confer a massive advantage, a very tiny barely there advantage has been enough to enable other recessives to spread from a single founder hundreds of years ago.”

    The killer argument is simply that the ratio of carriers to disease prevalence would be different from that of Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium, if there were a recessive advantage. As Jewish diseases give the same Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium ratio, those diseases have no recessive advantage. About Finnish diseases I have not checked, but nobody has ever suggested that they would have given any IQ advantage. Indeed, Finns do not have any special genetic IQ advantage. Only some foreign researchers imagine Finns have such an advantage, I certainly do not. The Finnish IQ is just the normal European IQ, and any advantage is from the school.

    About dogs. What humans call dog intelligence means only that the dogs obey the masters. Actually wolfs are more intelligent than dogs and have a bigger brain, but they kill human masters, quite effectively in many cases. I have had dogs and I do not necessarily agree on shepherd dogs being more intelligent, more obedient surely, nicer to work with certainly, but more intelligent?

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @fnn
  29. j2 says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    “was it a book or a website?”

    It was several websites giving this 410,000 number, it seemed to be an accepted number, but naive me, these pages seem to disappear and the truth changes in time.

    It should be easy to set an upper limit to Auschwitz that refutes the official theory. The official theory in some way ignores that Poland was divided to West and East in 1939 and there were only small transports from the East to the West, as Germans moved Jews to the East.

    [MORE]

    I read Nordling’s article long ago. Later I could not match Sanning’s figures for Poland to the census in Poland and to deaths in camps and ghettos, even when death camps are removed. I will reread it.

    As I had to look again at AJY vol 50, it still looks like my main argument it correct. AJY vol 50 has the 6 M figure as:
    Europe 1948 3,779,300 Jews
    Europe 1939 9,739,200 Jews

    But the figure for 1939 should be 8.89 million, not 9.74 million, so there is an error of 0.77 million.
    Then there is missing the migration. There is migration before 1948: 75,000 legal migration to Palestine by the white book, 138,000 legal migration to Palestine from DP camps, 110,000 illegal migration to Palestine by Aliyah Bet. Together 0.323 million. Then there is migration after 1948, which I calculate as 0.383 million. Thus, migration is 0.323+0.383=0.706 million. Reducing these gives the death toll as 4.5 million.

    Then looking at the foot comment of the Soviet 2 million survivers in AJY vol 50, it is: Germans killed 3,050,000 – 1,050,000 Jews, thus the number of Jews in the Soviet Union in 1948 is 2 million. This means, it could be 1-3 million. Later Soviets changed the text to: Germans killed 1-1.5 million. It should have changed the survivors to 2.5-3 million. So, 2.9 million survivors in the SU is fully according to AJY vol 50.

    Finally, nobody knows how many Jews were in the three Baltic countries and the SU in 1939. It can very well be 1 million less than AJY 1939 states.

  30. Andy says:
    @M Krauthammar

    You are working on the fantasy that Jews will be treated better in a putative non-White America (they will hardly be better treated than now where they are the de facto elite of the country). Actually they will be treated far worse if America is ever run by so called people of color who has no guilt complex whatsoever toward the Jews. You think is by chance that the most “antisemitic” congressmen today tend to be black?

    • Replies: @Expletive Deleted
  31. Sean says:
    @j2

    About Finnish diseases I have not checked, but nobody has ever suggested that they would have given any IQ advantage

    I believe I was the first, in 2013.

    Actually wolfs are more intelligent than dogs and have a bigger brain, but they kill human masters, quite effectively in many cases. I have had dogs and I do not necessarily agree on shepherd dogs being more intelligent, more obedient surely, nicer to work with certainly, but more intelligent

    There are only 200 wolves left in Finland, because they are so much smarter than dogs? A dog will understand and not break the rules of humans. Even ordinary breed dogs can do things that chimps have trouble with. I agree that the puppies from working sheepdogs do not make good pets, but as with highly intelligent people, working Border collies tend to become neurotic unless they are kept busy.

    • Replies: @j2
  32. Juoni says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    That is because Swedes and Norwegians are descended from Germanic tribes whose populations simply expanded Northwards into Scandinavia.

    This doesn’t have anything to do with what anonymous said above.


    Finns are originally from Hungary and speak a similar language-they are Slavs, essentially.

    And this is completely wrong.

    Finns are not from Hungary but mostly from area that is nowadays Northern Russia. And no, Finns are not close to Slavs either although Northern Russians tend to have some Finnic ancestry.

  33. fnn says:
    @j2

    What humans call dog intelligence means only that the dogs obey the masters.

    Humans generally consider dogs that are more trainable to be more intelligent. Pretty much the same way they judge the intelligence of fellow humans. Of course, like some humans, some dogs (e.g., Siberian Huskies, who the Chukchi tribe mostly left to fend for themselves when they weren’t working) are independent spirits and are not all that amenable to training.

  34. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “There are only 200 wolves left in Finland, because they are so much smarter than dogs?”

    I once read a book, the world without us, which claimed that if humans would disappear, all these tamed animals would soon be killed by the wild ones. It is taming, it decreases the brain and removes essential capabilities for survival, so you become dependent. It has also happened to humans, and human brain has decreased, and lost many capabilities. Taming reduces aggression. Aggression is essential for removing deviants, possessors of mutated genes. Ad tamed animals, like dogs, have reduced aggression, they accept all kinds of other dogs. A wolf would kill strange looking wolfs and stay on the competitive edge as a top killer. Reducing aggression leads to all kinds of irrational behavior, like small dogs seem to think they are as strong as much bigger dogs, so they fight and lose, and a human must save the smaller dog. Humans have even bred races, like the Finnish bear dog, that is not afraid of a bear. That is naturally outmost stupidity from a dog. The same has happened when humans tames themselves, so weak men, or even women, dare to challenge an alpha male. In the real world an animal behaves as it should behave, as it has always behaved. No new inventions, no new behavior, as everything new is by default worse than the traditional way. And intelligence is not trainability, as no animal should be trained, neither no human should be trained by other humans, only taught by parents to do what they did. Intelligence is the problem solving ability. Problems should be solved without help, like an intelligent student is one who can himself solve a problem, not the one who looks up the solution from a book, or the one who pays for another student to solve it for him. Wolfs certainly can solve problems, like staying away from the sight of humans, much better than dogs, so they are more intelligent. The most intelligent humans therefore move to the far north where they stay as far from other people as possible, as that is not only intelligent, but also wise.

    • Replies: @Sean
  35. j2 says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “While it is extremely politically incorrect to state the obvious, Africans anti-malarial adaptations made them more vulnerable to AIDS and that is why it is so prevalent among Africans everywhere.”

    But in a sense it was a positive adaptation to the environment. I was once thinking what positive adaptation Finns have developed and concluded that they can tolerate better being alone. Most people would get heavily depressed, start drinking and finally kill themselves in a place without enough sun. But actually also Finns do all those things, so I figured out that the adaptation is not being better in tolerating a place without enough sunlight, it is not being able to cope with other people. As places with more sunlight are so populated, Finns do not feel at home there – too many people, too much socializing, so they stay in the sunless place. This is clearly a positive adaptation, as it keeps those Northern latitudes populated.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  36. One of the most hilarious foofawraws in the last year was when Dark Journalist said that the Men in Black were Sami sorcerers and an army of Finns flamed him to hell and back. He had some explorer’s report that they could fatally assault you with mind rays.

  37. @j2

    j2

    American sociologists noticed that with Finnish immigrants in Minnesota.

    Many of the males who immigrated to Minneapolis ended up being vodka drunks on the sidewalks; however, they made excellent lumberjacks (Paul Bunyan for example) in the isolated Northern regions. Unlike Italians or Irish, they never acclimated to the urban centers. Finns became something of an underclass (Leading Americans to curtail their immigration).

    Perhaps Aileen Wuornos was the most horrifying example of Finns who moved to the US and became victims of urbanization. Her Finnish parents had no idea what to do with her on the streets of Detroit.

    I’m exaggerating, of course. I’ve known many successful Finnish-Americans, being from Michigan.

  38. The European peoples have long thought and felt that each of them was unique

    Yea no. Not so different from each other (except catholics).
    Just inherently better than any sort of wog or nigger. Or catholic.

  39. @Andy

    You think is by chance that the most “antisemitic” congressmen today tend to be black?

    Ah. You mean “slightly less intelligent than a roadkill toad”. I see your confusion.

  40. The Finns, having a unique gene pool, are much more likely to have certain genes predisposing to certain diseases.

    No doubt. But all five-and-a half million of them are probably outnumbered in the male line by Clan Donald alone, globally, and in no imaginable way a more restricted “gene-pool”. Never mind the (sons of) Mac Cailean Mór.
    Which makes the finns a touch less special.
    Even the prolific Hebrews can’t match the sheer mindless inbred dominance of the Gael, worldwide.

  41. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:
    @nokangaroos

    A really Elvin looking female would be the Icelandic entertainer Björk.

    Of course, Icelanders were originally Norwegians who must have some admixture of Finnish, being in such close proximity to them.

    Pretty sure there were Finnish tribes who allied with the Vikings, as did the Palobian Pirates from the westernmost Slavic tribes living on the Baltic, like the Wends, Sorbs, and Veleti who, except for the Kashubes, have mostly gone extinct or have been thoroughly Germanized.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  42. @Anatoly Karlin

    Steve Sailer recently mentioned fake Armenian centenarians: https://www.unz.com/isteve/110-year-old-people-usually-arent-110-years-old/

    I think the same might be true of Ikaria. It’s where all the Greek commies were sent, so I’m guessing they are very anti-establishment, and prone to faking ages for pension money.

  43. You have no idea HOW unique!

    • Replies: @chris
  44. What a-load-of-horseshit!
    Voi Vittu!
    Primarily the comments, as well as the ‘outdated’ source material presented by the french author.
    So.
    Paljon paaskaa puhuua.
    Anteeksi.
    Suomi on minun kolmas kieli.
    Asunnut yli kolmekymenntä vuotta sitten SUOMI.
    Anyway, my wife is a Finnish Lapp. A blood expert as well as very very very well-informed about the DNA of *Finns*.
    There is, no reason to ‘debate’ anyone here, at this time.
    Perhaps Ron Unz will be so kind as to forward my email to this french guy writing this potpourri.
    In the 70’s, I planned on studying medicine.
    Glad I didn’t.
    I’m an old N.J.-guy btw.
    Regards, and don’t believe all that is written here, concerning Finns.
    Adjö X-

  45. Anon[388] • Disclaimer says:

    The elfin-looking Tuukka Rask:

  46. @Anonymous

    Bjork reflects the small degree of Native admixture as a result of Viking settlers transporting Micmac and women from Canada and New England to Iceland during the initial settlement period. Though most of the females in Iceland were Irish or Scots women the Norse also transported a few Native American women as well.

    • Disagree: niceland
    • Replies: @niceland
    , @Bill Jones
  47. Sean says:
    @j2

    Wolves are to dogs as chimps are to bonobos, and modern humans are to Cro Magnons. They are more weakly built, much less aggressive and the brain is much smaller. They can also learn new stuff. Richard Wrangham says the brain shrinking is a symptom of selection against aggression. In humans he thinks the dangerous men, killers, were just done away with by a vigilante mobs thus selecting against aggression.

    There is definitely a huge difference between Finns and Swedes. And you couldn’t get more different people that Danes and Finns. So you may be right that Finns are the wolves of Europe.

    • Replies: @Jeff Stryker
  48. @Sean

    SEAN

    Actually, minus the refugees, crime and aggression are low in Finland. Judges are not blown up like they are in Sicily. There is no widespread organized crime in Finland. Whereas New Jersey and other East Coast cities have always had to deal with the mafia, the heavily Finnish Minnesota and Upper Michigan never did.

    Strangely, the dog breeds with the most amount of wolf blood like Malamutes and Huskies are not the most ferocious.

    Danes are Germans and Finns are Russians, so obviously they look different.

    • Replies: @j2
  49. niceland says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Vikings bringing people from North America to Iceland it’s a fun idea, supported by nothing really. I wonder why you try to insist this is reality?

    • Replies: @j2
  50. j2 says:
    @niceland

    “Vikings bringing people from North America to Iceland it’s a fun idea, supported by nothing really. I wonder why you try to insist this is reality?”

    Vikings went to Greenland and there were Eskimos. Bjork does look like having some Native American blood, maybe Eskimo, maybe American Indian. Vikings took slaves from Scotland, and very probably took slaves from Greenland, if they met any locals. Here is data that Iceland people have Native American DNA, brought there by Vikings. Native Americans never reached Iceland, but Vikings populated it and then there pops up Native American mtDNA? Any other theory how it got there?
    https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/11/101123-native-american-indian-vikings-iceland-genetic-dna-science-europe/
    “Analyzing a type of DNA passed only from mother to child, scientists found more than 80 living Icelanders with a genetic variation similar to one found mostly in Native Americans. “

    • Replies: @niceland
  51. j2 says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    “Finns are Russians,”

    Let’s put it this way: some Russians are Finns. Russian DNA from Northern Russian, European side, is rather similar to Finnish DNA in admixture, but this is because those Russians descend from Karelian, Permis and some even are Inkeri Finns, that is real Finns, or Communist Finns, also real Finns (the bad ones). But in general, Russians are not genetically similar to Finns. This Northern Russian population is a small subpopulation in Russia. Most of them are Slavs, mixed with whatever.

  52. j2 says:

    But as for the argument of the author of the article, that it is good to keep original populations, I am not so sure of it.

    Finally what I expect to happen (in the long run) is that this culture will collapse, as they always do. And maybe finally those who will survive are some aboriginal tribes in Africa and elsewhere. There is no need that there are many of them. One pair suffices to start the new population, and if high culture collapses, for a long time human population will be sparse.

    So then, what is the gain of keeping the local adaptations, like Finns, for instance? Are they more happy that way? Maybe not. And if mixing populations you lose something, maybe so, but if the local adaptations are really not that good. (Say, a local adaptation to lack of sunshine is to tolerate drunken people as that in any way is the only way to survive there, and another adaptation is to lose the ability to socialize, so what is so great in these adaptations? Though, I admit, Finns have also some positive features, and there is a positive feature in being able to trust people, as is the case there.) But in general, are these local adaptations so much worth saving?

    And I guess there is something to preserve in having people who, of Europeans, are genetically as far as possible from Italians.

    • LOL: JMcG
    • Replies: @Cowboy
  53. niceland says:
    @j2

    This study wasn’t taken very seriously over here. They are speculating about single female. It’s possible but it’s only a theory.

    I don’t know where Björk got her looks from but I don’t think we need to go back to the Vikings for explanation. She could have some genes from Inuits, Sami or Finland. Many possibilities.

  54. Брат says:

    Finland, the longest standing Mongol camp in the midst of Europe–the very definition of a Khanate. Definitely not Hhhh-White.
    It’s ok though, Russians have plenty of experience routing Tartar invaders. Give us another chance; we can finish the job and reunite with our Swedish brethren by winter. Prince Rurik would be so proud. #winterwar2.0 #makescandinaviagreatagain #invadefinland2019

  55. Uralic peoples were the aboriginal people of the whole area from the Steppes to Finland (and then there are the Steppe Finns and don’t forget the Mordvins) and beyond. They didn’t have to come from anywhere, although prehistoric peoples were both migratory and not.

  56. @Sean

    Diabetes is an favorable adaptation for cold climates.

  57. @Sean

    But then there are the traits that present themselves when you make either a dog from a wolf (barking, spotted coats, curled tails, floppy ears, etc.) or a doglike fox from a feral fox, that seemingly have nothing to do with domestication, and seem to have neither harmful nor beneficial effects, but that just kind of tag along. No one knows why. But it shows how this whole simple-minded understanding of Darwinian selection is much more complicated than boneheads get.

    • Replies: @Sean
  58. The Finns, Hungarians, and Estonians are unique in Europe in speaking Finno-Ugric languages.

    Yes, but Finnish and Estonian are more or less mutually intelligible, like Swedish and Danish. They are thousands of years separated from Hungarian, much like Swedish and Danish are from Persian.

    Still, a young Hungarian I met in Finland couldn’t understand a word the locals spoke, but felt a connection deep in the rhythm of the language. For one thing, all three tongues maintain a strong initial stress. Oddly (or not), you hear that in Czech and Slovak as well. (Polish and Russian have very different stress rules, despite the close similarity of all Slavic languaes.)

    Do the genetic studies show analogous gaps?

  59. @M Krauthammar

    I wish you mate with pure African man. You’d enjoy it no doubt.

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  60. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @j2

    For decades I was an IT contractor working with teams of developers from around the world. I have worked with Americans, Germans, French, Italians, Brits, Scottish, Irish, Australians, Finns and even Nigerians.

    My favorite IT project team members were Australian and Finnish. Yes, the Finns could drink like the Irish, but they were also great programmers and loads of fun to work with, while remaining humble and helpful. I hardly doubt that they drink a lot in the cold winters, up in Alaska they call winter “the drinking season”. I don’t care what species of Humans we are talking about, months on end without sunshine will take its toll. Besides that, we know that ZOG has been pushing alcohol for centuries on whites in general and Slavs in specific. If Finland managed to free itself from ZOG and a truly representative government was concerned for the welfare of the people, things would be far different not only in Finland but across the entire west.

    Finlandization was the term given to Finlands subservience to Jewish Communism, and basically Finland became a ZOG slave state for 45 years. To try to claim that now, after decades of semitic rape, that Finland could profit from the blood of jew-sent foreign invaders is, well, pretty fucking cucky.

  61. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

    The genetic separation and uniqueness of many peoples, especially the Western, is unlikely to survive this century. There will of course still be White Americans, indigenous English, French, Finns, and so on, but, barring a political revolution, they will gradually lose their sovereignty and everything is going to get very muddled indeed over time.

    The whites will gradually lose their sovereignty until the point of no return. Then they’ll be extinguished suddenly (a.k.a. non-gradually).

    I wish people would stop propagating this naive view that we’d be allowed to go gentle into that good night. Open your fucking eyes. Our genocide will get more forced and more violent as we grow weaker.

    If we allow it.

  62. Iris says:
    @j2

    Great comment, J2; admirable Finnish wisdom, modesty and sense of humour…

    • Replies: @j2
  63. Logan says:

    communities of people living on islands such as Sardinia in Italy, Crete in Greece or the Samoan Islands in the South Pacific

    #3, absolutely.

    The other two, not so much. The islands of the Med have been the opposite of isolated.

  64. Logan says:
    @Anne Lid

    I was on a group trip 50 years ago, at the age of 12, with a stunning young woman with very white skin, black hair and very deep blue eyes.

    She was half Swedish and half Greek. I can still remember her effect on me.

  65. Interesting details of how Finns got their slightly Eastern look!
    However, regardless of the details, people become more Eastern-looking as you move across Northern Eurasia from east to west. There is even a pocket of very Eastern-looking people a few hundred miles S.E. of Moscow. And this video made by the city police in Yakutsk, Russia, shows you how people look there.
    https://twitter.com/mvd_official/status/1061945224174489602 Russia: Yakutsk police – twerk video (funny!)

    • Replies: @Professional Stranger
  66. Logan says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    Total misunderstanding of the issue.

    It assumes that “Asian” has always meant what we now think of as “East Asian.”

    In fact the Finnic and various other tribes originated in NE Asia and moved or were pushed into what is now Europe.

    That they have East Asian ancestry or origin does not even begin to imply much relationship with the present inhabitants of those areas.

    • Replies: @PB96
  67. @Professional Stranger

    CORRECTION: “people become more Eastern-looking as you move across Northern Eurasia from WEST to EAST.”

  68. If you look close enough, you will see a little bit of Jap in all the babes… of course, you shouldn’t kick them out of the bed!

    • Agree: Beefcake the Mighty
  69. GMC says:

    Research what you want – Europe is toast. 40 years ago each country was unique and personal. It was a wonderful Continent to travel in. Today, because of the NWO quest and the Jews running the governments, that have been pushing refugees and immigrants around, everything looks like a Heintz 57 monkey f…Send all these ME and Africans to Israel and Saudi Arabia. America would be 65% european and a population of 240 million , had the Jews not pushed/ bought off their Open, Unlimited immigration/ Refugee laws . The Tribe that killed JFK killed American Society – too.

  70. onebornfree says: • Website

    “A unique beauty: Miss Finland 2018 contestants”

    Of the 10 contestants pictured, there are 2 brunettes and 8 “blondes”.

    Judging by eyebrow color all of the 8 “blondes” are mere “bottle blondes”. How “unique” 🙂

    And so it goes…..

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @j2
    , @Sam Coulton
  71. onebornfree says: • Website

    ” The Uniqueness of the Finnish Race”

    Reality Fact: this just in: there are no unique races. None. Never have been, never will be.

    This uniqueness of race “idea” is just another assumption/facet of the statist, collectivist, socialist/communist/fascist mind-[or lack of] set B.S. writ large, nothing more, nothing less. It may very well be the most important false assumption of these ideologies [ which are all all just minor variations on the grand theme of “government knows best”].

    What’s even worse, most “intelligent” people [ ie useful idiots] appear to actually believe this false assumption to be true, which makes it the primary source of most of the problems in the world, past and present, as far as I can see.

    Reality Fact: Only the individual is unique – each individual is entirely unique [beliefs,values, life experience to date, taste/preferences etc etc ] regardless of supposed race.

    Reality Fact: Even most, otherwise intelligent people are in total denial of the reality of the inevitable uniqueness of the individual, and will therefor completely avoid the issue when promoting their latest, grand,”can’t fail” , “one size fits all” plan for all of humanity.

    Will the “intelligentsia” [ let alone the masses] ever come to their senses regarding this issue?

    “Stupid is as stupid does”, so I sincerely doubt it 🙁

    And so it goes…..

    Regards, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @j2
    , @Anounder
  72. @M Krauthammar

    M Krauthamma– Your must be the latest riff (iteration) of Marc Zuckerburg from over at AMREN.

  73. @Anatoly Karlin

    Life expectancy on the Greek island of Ikaria is almost a decade longer than in Greece proper for as yet unexplained reasons.

    Anatoly,
    My people (ostensibly Greeks) came from Samos. Island off Turkey, but somehow owned by Greece. Just a rock in the Med, mountainous, olives and lemons on top, a few dates and grape leaves and lamb at the bottom, lots of fish in the sea, of course. They are unto themselves, have few influences outside the church, they are without the magic of diversity and modern sources of RFI. Maybe by now they have 3G, but mostly it’s all landlines. The Eurozone and Greece’s debt mean nothing to these folks. Modern life is what kills us.

    Wanna know how isolated they were when the Turks weren’t trying to chase them off? When the Germans came aboard the island, the hill folks (my people) would hide the beautiful girls and only send the ugliest girl in the village (a third or fourth cousin of mine, turns out) Greer, for supplies, mail from the mainland and whatnot. The ugliest girls from each family were the only ones safe from rape, so they went, even ahead of the men. Wars come and go, Samos remains the same, barely touched to this day. Fish, lemons, olives, that’s how you stay alive, I guess.

    Which really makes the notion of greater life expectancy quite explainable if you look at families and outcomes, those who stayed and who came to the U.S. to modern life. I can add that the great grand-folks, great uncles and cousins back on Samos lived to be three figures, all of em. Those first generation folks who came here in the 1900-1950 period lived to be late eighties to 95ish, my own grandmother to 103. Her daughters made it to 98 and my Ma to 89, but she was a smoker. In our family, the oldest is 72, with cancer, two of the brothers are gone, one a head injury, another of cancer at age 39. Same for the Greek cousins. They came here and the third generation has all sorts of troubles they never heard of in Samos. On my Dad’s side, same same, his older relatives all lived to be late-90s. He made it to 83, his sons, again, the oldest is 72 and not likely to see many more (firefighter). Me? All I did was five years aboard a carrier working on ejection seats and breathing asbestos, smoke $1.50/carton cigarettes and work in the phone bizz for 30 years, so my cancer prospects are as good as any, too. I figured, with the flight decks, then the motorcycles, an electrocution, car crashes, something would kill me long before cancer. Each generation, a shorter lifespan.

    Modern, First-World life kills. No question about it. Modern life kills us. In just my own family, in a couple or three generations one third of our family’s life span is toast, the mean of the U.S. at best. All you have to do is study families across generations.

    • Agree: Simpleguest
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  74. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    The elites of Suomi /Finland ( 5 million people ) are mostly swedish ( about 6 % of the Finland population ) .

    Officially Finland / Suomi is bilingual finnish/swedish . Finland has always been , as well as Estonia, a province either of Sweden , or of Russia , and Estonia of Germany too .

    The most beautiful historic buildings in Helsinförs / Helsinki , and in Tallin/ Revel , are the russian orthodox Cathedrals

    Finnish language , finish-estonian if you want , is a marginal language in the world . The finns have to learn swedish , russian , english , german to comunicate with the world .

    Finland is oversold by the United Nations as an example of everything , as an example for globalization .

  75. Finland , Finland , Finland
    The country where I want to be
    Pony trekking or camping or just watch T.V.
    Finland , Finland , Finland
    It’s the country for me

    You’re so near to Russia
    so far away from Japan
    Quite a long way from Cairo
    lots of miles from Vietnam

  76. Republic says:

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2019/03/20/ed-dutton-with-an-evolutionary-perspective-on-the-rape-of-finland

    This is the book review of Dr. Dutton’s book:

    The Silent Rape Epidemic: How the Finns Were Groomed to Love Their Abusers

    Finns enjoy an unusually high-trust society. Longtime British resident Ed Dutton describes unmanned roadside vegetable stands that operate on the honor system, with customers reliably leaving the correct price for what they take. Travelers need not purchase a ticket before boarding a train; everyone happily pays the conductor as he comes through. At least until recently, girls in outlying villages could safely hitchhike into larger towns on Saturday nights

    However due to many factors, including the fact that many local mass media being controlled in whole or in part,by Jewish interests, Finland began in 2015 to importing a large number of refugees from various African, Middle Eastern and Asian areas.

    This has led to a rape epidemic as described in Dutton’s book

  77. Anonymous[239] • Disclaimer says:
    @onebornfree

    Stop posting, moron.

    • Agree: Cowboy
    • Replies: @onebornfree
  78. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Very unique the finns . Some data about the southern finns or the estonians .

    Regarding the south finns of Estonia , regarding Estonia , the ” country ” has only 1,300.000 inhabitants of which 30% are russians , but russian language is discriminated against , it is denied cooficial status in Estonia

    . Russians are discriminated against by Estonia and are refused estonian citizenship , This is the EU nowadays . And the EU subsidizes Estonia with a net sum of 500 millon euros /year .

    Russia , industrialized rural Estonia . In 1990 soviet Estonia had a maximun of 1,600.000 inhabitants , now it has 1,300,000 and going down . Before they were financed by Russia , now by the EU . Bad bussiness for the EU .

    Very unique people , really unique .

  79. This is a short term problem considering the refugee policy

  80. Hu Mi Yu says:

    ! Finns were on the German side in the WWII.

    No. For the Finns it was all about Russia. They fought Russians the whole time. The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact assigned Finland to the Russian sphere. After the Soviets took over the other Baltic states, Soviet intentions were clear. Finland invaded Russia and held a front near Lenigrad/St. Petersburg. Then Germany changed sides and invaded Russia. For a period of time they provided some aid to the Finns. To make peace with the Soviets, Finns were required to expel or capture Germans, which they did in short order. The Soviets took a big bite out of Finland, but it retained its independence.

  81. @GeeBee

    “Whatever happens through you happens to you” seems to be an apt description of what is occurring in several western countries now.The ongoing destruction of many non-white countries resulting in largescale flight of millions of resentful(many of them hate-filled for obvious reasons) to the very same aggressor countries is PERFECT KARMA.

    Strangely,no public outrage or resistance against these aggressions at least on the anti-vietnam war scale has so far occurred. If this does not happen soon then surely the above cycle will continue,god forbid. In such a scenario,I pity the white American and Europeans for they are largely decent peoples.

  82. EdNels says:
    @M Krauthammar

    One thing about this article is that he launches way ahead to the great beauty of some of the population, (like any country…) but what about the ugly ones?

    What about the sickness of these beauty contests in the first place, like… ‘’ oh look at me, aren’t I the prettiest of all?’’? What about the crass exploitation by not so pretty assholes that feed off that kind of obsession… including jack ass T’rump, who looks like the face of the mummy from the Schleswig peat bog, what a poor viking throwback IE. he turned out!

    I wish all these beauties mate with an pure African man.

    Well from Phy Anth 101: ‘’African Negroid is the most polymorphic of the races.’’ So if you want to specify a particular tribe or something, there’s quite a diversity among the African natives, enough that they have wider differences with each other… than with the closely related middle eastern types of negroes like Sephardim. Much less the sometime blue eyed and often Red-blond Ashkenazis of the Pale with their Mongol admixes etc.

    As a person of half Jewish ancestry,

    ‘’Only half,’’ is too much… by half if your’e a Mamser! But then, sometimes the other half predominates and you get a cross from a dokshund body with oversize shepherd head etc. Or even a ugly English intellectual’s scrawny body with a Hollywood starlet’s doofus mentality.

    PS: you picked a good name… The face on that scarecrow, it’s all figured out though, it’s part of the entertainment!

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
  83. j2 says:
    @Iris

    Iris, thank you for your kind comments. Your own comments are always excellent.

  84. You have to consider that the brain is the central location of conscious awareness and the self. From this you have to think that all the sensory organs of the head are extensions of the brain. And then you cannot escape perceiving that the entire body itself is, in this sense, a physical extension of the mind, for, if the brain is the person, the mind is the work of his brain. Of course, if what the individual thinks of as his mind is not resident in the individual, then that is a different matter, but what irrefutable evidence is there for this? To resume the previous points, since there is no such irrefutable evidence that I know of, it must be the case, then, that all of the cultural aspects of a peoples can only derive from the mass total collective of the physical –and other sorts of– configurations of their central nervous systems, and a significant element of the unique character of genetic groups is what determines the nature of their central nervous systems, so that, as an end result, a civilization is the result of the inherited characteristics of a peoples’ –or group of diverse peoples’– central nervous systems, much of which is essentially inherited. Because of this it can only be true that each identifiably different culture must be a product as consistent with the group as any of the group’s identifiable physical characteristics –if we care to know them, which we should– and these must also potentially inform us of other aspects as well, some of which might be malicious or antagonistic and therefore concealed, of which we may very necessarily need to be aware. I hope this is correct, linguistically. I expect it is most likely correct logically.

  85. JMcG says:
    @j2

    Fascinating information. Thank you.

  86. JMcG says:
    @Jeff Stryker

    I’m sure you meant they gave the Soviets hell. They sort of half-heartedly chased the Germans into Norway at the end of the war.

  87. Race is a valid concept.

  88. Sean says:
    @obwandiyag

    Start at 17:43 if it doesn’t.

    Domestication is a different issue. There are two schools of thought, because some people think the odd coat colours were what ancient animal breeders were trying to get (they just liked ’em) and the extreme domestication was a side effect.

    Finns are not aggressive compared to Danes.

    Konrad Lorenz wrote a lot about intraspecific competition and the degeneration that resulted.

    When I think of of outstanding Finns I think of stocky farmers, sturdy strongmen and fearless snipers slaughtering Russians over open sights. Among such people a little extra intellect would go a long way. You could marry well and have a big family and so on. What I was referring to with the mutation found in clever dogs a people in a certain area of Finland was not domestication, but evidence for a mutation getting in on the ground floor of a market economy and spreading through an area of Finland where it was taking off.

    The ancestry of Finns may have something to do with their characteristics.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @obwandiyag
    , @PB96
  89. j2 says:
    @onebornfree

    “Reality Fact: this just in: there are no unique races. None. Never have been, never will be.”

    There are dog races. Most of these races were bred rather recently, but let us take three ancient races that were not so much bred, they were used for some purpose by the people who had these dogs.
    1) The pharaoh dog of Malta, already seen in Egyptian hieroglyphs, used for hunting gazelles
    2) Chow chow, from China, thousands of years old, used for scaring evil spirits and also eaten
    3) Finnish spitz, an ancient Northern dog, prehistoric, barks animals to trees, a hunting dog

    Every dog in every race is unique in appearance and in personality, but dogs of the same race are similar to some extent. And they are good for something and not so good for something else. You do not scare Chinese evil spirits with a dog looking like the pharaoh dog, for instance, and the Finnish spitz is a really cute dog, not scaring spirits for sure.

    We call these dog races. They are in a race classification. The people, who had these dogs, Maltese, Chinese and Finns also look somewhat different and have somewhat different average personalities, though each human is as much an individual as each dog.

    So, why do we call those dogs races but those humans are not called races? Wait, I know. It is because Germans gassed 6 million Jews, but Germans did not gas six million Jewish dogs. That must be the answer. Fine, I accept it, sounds scientific.

    • Replies: @Anounder
  90. Mr. Hack says:

    present-day populations from north-eastern Europe such as Saami, Russians, Mordovians, Chuvash, Estonians, Hungarians, and Finns: they carry additional ancestry seen as increased allele sharing with modern East Asian populations.

    The small population of people who first settled this part of the world – combined with relatively little immigration that would add variation to the gene pool – has pushed important genetic variants that first existed in the founding population to expand and become much more common than they would be elsewhere.

    Except in largely populated Russia where Finns and Slavs have mixed abundantly to produce the Russian ethnos. This is where you’ll find the answers to your questions.

  91. j2 says:
    @onebornfree

    “Judging by eyebrow color all of the 8 “blondes” are mere “bottle blondes”. How “unique””

    The natural colors of those girls is almost the same, it is darker than what they make it, but it is blonde. It may not be obvious from those pictures, but young Finnish girls do look quite similar, more similar than girls in most countries. It is because they are genetically more similar. I do not think it is any great advantage to have a small genetic pool. It has some positive aspects, but also negative. I think the gene pool could be enlarged somewhat without negative effects. But immigrants should assimilate, intermarry and adopt the local culture and ways of the host, and there should not be too many of them. Otherwise the result is a minority, which practically always leads to problems. Finland can take some immigrants, but not from such people who burn alive a girlfriend if she desires to quit the relation. But if it is normal people, say Europeans, or non-Europeans but still normally behaving, I do not doubt that the children from an intermarriage are quite as good as any.

  92. j2 says:
    @Sean

    One plot for Russians does not do justice to the genetic variation in Russia. See the following plot:

    Western Russians resemble in admixture White Russians and Ukrainians. Some Russian subgroups resemble Finns, but more carefully analyzing it, they are not so close.

    • Replies: @Sean
  93. I’m not convinced that the Finns and Sami are related to East Asians, or at least modern East Asians. To the extent they do have epicanthic folds, I believe that it’s been proven that it was a completely different evolutionary mechanism from that of the Mongoloids. I also think that blond hair likely originated with the Finns and other Uralic peoples, as the highest concentration of blond hair is centered around the Gulf of Finland. This is in contrast to the popular notion that blondness originated with the Aryans/Steppe invaders. Regarding the appearance of the early Indo-European steppe invaders, I think the movie “Highlander” had it correct with Clancy Brown’s tall dark-haired “Kurgan”. Robert E Howard was also on target with his dark-haired, somewhat swarthy Conan the Cimmerian.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @Sean
    , @Anonymous
  94. @Sean

    You bozos with your “graphs.” Otherwise known as damned lies. Or just lies.

    And you are wrong about spots. Dead wrong. Wrong period.

    • Replies: @Anon
  95. j2 says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    “I’m not convinced that the Finns and Sami are related to East Asians, or at least modern East Asians. ”

    The East Asian mixture is only 5-15% in Finns, Saami have a bit more Siberian admixture. It is East Asian in the sense that the Y-DNA haplogroup N (59% in Finnish men) originated North of the Korean peninsula, and also Comb Ceramics, closely associated with Fenno-Ugrian people, originates from this same area. Thus, we can deduce that people with this Y-DNA haplogroup and Comb Ceramic culture mover to the Baltic area around 4000 BC. Finns, as they are today known, moved there around 2500 BC, but before them there already were Fenno-Ugrian people, most probably Saami, or related to Saami. As foe genetic closeness with Finns and East Asians, naturally they are very far from each other. Finns are genetically European people, though European outsiders.

    ” To the extent they do have epicanthic folds”

    Finns do not have them, nor to any European fenno-ugrian people. The reason why Europeans think Finns have them is that the cheek bone is very high (not wide and not prominent like in East Asians, only high like in Gro Magnon). The bone is very close to the lower lid and this makes the eye small and you usually cannot see the lower eye lid, so it may look like something covers it, but it is not epicanthic fold.

    “blond hair likely originated with the Finns and other Uralic peoples”

    Eastern Hunter Gatherers had the gene for blond hair color. Though Sean’s plot gives the impression that many peoples (among them Finns) do not have EHG admixture, this is false: all peoples, who have Yamnaya admixture have EHG admixture. Thus, Finns had originally the blond hair color gene, but also Indo-Europeans had it.

    “tall dark-haired “Kurgan””

    The people building kurgans were the ancestors of Slavs (Y-DNA R1a). They are not that swarthy.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Veritas X-
  96. Sean says:
    @j2

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-07483-5

    These results suggest that the geographic range of the Saami extended further south in the past, and points to a genetic shift at least in the western Finnish region since the Iron Age. The findings are in concordance with the noted linguistic shift from Saami languages to early Finnish. Further ancient DNA from Finland is needed in order to conclude, to what extent these signals of migration and admixture are representative of Finland as a whole.

  97. Sean says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    This is in contrast to the popular notion that blondness originated with the Aryans/Steppe invaders.

    Assuming the Yamnaya had been slaughtering all the men from the Danube to Scandinavia and taking only the finest girls from the conquered peoples as wives for generation after generation. Given that blonde hair is attractive to men, the Yamnaya would have went from dark hair to blond over the generations and be quite blond by the time their rolling wave of conquest reached the Baltic. So it isn’t either, or.

  98. buckwheat says:

    The Finn’s have always been special since they kicked Russian commie ass in the Winter War in 39.

  99. Kerala says: • Website

    Genetics,the human tribes,migrations,but,most important,origins. Four hundred centuries ago.Hunter/gatherers primitives or a worldwide evolved civilization?FYI:http://www.mcremo.com FYI:https://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com/?m=1 😉

  100. Swedes are the most gorgeous race. Think Ann Margaret, Candice Bergen in their prime, and now Rebecca Ferguson. It’s too bad they’re all rushing off to miscegenate thanks to leftist retardation.

    • Replies: @Wally
    , @Republic
  101. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous[239] • Disclaimer says: “Stop posting, moron.”

    Sadly, an all too predictable response from an automaton who is [necessarily] in complete denial of the reality of their own inherent, unchangeable, uniqueness [ and therefor, by extension, the unchangeable uniqueness of every other individual in this world].

    onebornfree had previously asked: “Will the “intelligentsia” [ let alone the masses] ever come to their senses regarding this issue? “Stupid is as stupid does”, so I sincerely doubt it 🙁 “

    Thanks for the confirmation.

    “Regards”, onebornfree

    • Replies: @Anounder
  102. Wally says:
    @Tired of Not Winning

    Speaking of Swedes:

    Germans Display ‘F*ck You Greta’ Bumper Stickers to Protest Being Lectured About [alleged] Global Warming

    https://summit.news/2019/07/03/germans-display-fck-you-greta-bumper-stickers-to-protest-being-lectured-about-global-warming/

  103. Sean says:
    @j2

    Finnish or Williams syndrome?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4326252/
    Williams syndrome (WS) offers an exciting model for social neuroscience because its genetic basis is well-defined, and the unique phenotype reflects dimensions of prosocial behaviors. WS is associated with a strong drive to approach strangers, a gregarious personality, heightened social engagement yet difficult peer interactions, high non-social anxiety, unusual bias toward positive affect, and diminished sensitivity to fear.

    • Replies: @j2
  104. Wally says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    Remember, j2 also claims millions of Jews were “holocausted” …. without a shred of proof.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  105. Sean says:
    @j2

    Most Yamnaya only had derived skin lightening allele on SLC24A5, which is admittedly the big one for skin lightening, but alone it would make them very definitely swarthy by modern European standards. Modern Europeans have derived skin lightening alleles at SLC45A2 and SLC24A5. Both of these were present in the Motala grouplet of Scandinavia thousands of years before the Yamanaya showed up in Europe, but people with both and what we would call white skin were unusual.

    You need to get away from this anti adaptationalist, ancestry based, turtles all the way down mindset, and begin thinking in terms of changes to the environment causing different genes to be especially selected. For example the women the Yamaya took as wives needed to inhibit aggression and elicit care and provisioning. Uniformly white skin could spread as a result.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
  106. Skeptikal says:
    @Jim Christian

    I spent two weeks on Samos way back in the seventies—maybe 1971.
    Beautiful island.
    We hiked up to the top of the mountain there (or perhaps it was a subpeak), can’t recall the name—I think it is the highest in the Aegean–then down via a different track, following white crosses painted on stones and pine tree trunks, to a small monastery midway down the mountain with a wonderful garden enclosed in a white stucco wall all around. I think the monastery was possibly a place of retreat. Perhaps it wasn’t even really a monastery but some other kind of place. We four (two boys, two girls) arrived at the entry and were motioned to sit down at a sort of refectory table where others were sitting, and were served sandwiches that consisted of fried rounds of potato on bread. I shall never forget the garden. It contained a little bit of everything: fruit trees, flowers, herbs, some animals in cages. A tiny paradise.

  107. @Wally

    Everyone knows that the Iraqi Climate-Change-Deniers took Greta’s Kuweiti baby-siblings out of incubators and threw them on the floor.

  108. @j2

    I just showed my wife your comment.
    “Hon säger det är sakligt skrivet”/ She says it’s fact based.i.e. totally acceptable.
    We use Swedish because We live in Sweden for the past 30+ years after living in Helsinki during the 1980’s.
    Regardless, You are to be commended for steering the ‘discussion’ here in a realistic direction j2.
    My wife, a Finn & Lapp is like Finns in general.
    i.e. Finns are reserved and never give anyone a complement unless it is truly earned.
    🙂 & 😉
    As a sidenote, I’d like to share some ‘unknown’ facts concerning modern Finland History.
    Before WWII and the Winter-War, the Finns asked for an alliance with the UK.
    Churchill refused and, literally ‘feed the Finns to the dog’s i.e. Soviets.
    I’ll never forget my first few years in Finland in the early 1980’s.
    Especially, all of the small towns & village’s graveyards, and, the extremely out-of-proportion WWII monuments & graves of fallen soldiers. ALOT of them! Sons & Fathers, Brothers…
    Yes. Tears come to my eyes.
    What a price to pay for their ‘freedom’.
    However, little known is the Finns had a kill/casualty ratio versus Soviets of 30-1 to 50-1 depending on which sources one finds.
    That’s right.
    The Finns were feared.
    They are still, “tuff-as-nails”.
    Never underestimate them.
    Regards X-

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @j2
  109. Republic says:
    @Tired of Not Winning

    Assange called Sweden the Saudi Arabia of Feminism

    A correct statement

  110. @Sean

    Sean, the Yamnaya were from eastern europe (Ukraine’s pontic steppe). Motala SHG got their light pigmentation (including blond hair) from EHG on the same steppe region Yamnaya came from. Yamnaya were more darkly pigmented because they had admixture from Caucasus Hunter Gatherers, while their predecessors from Khvalynsk and Samara were light pigmented like the rest of the EHG. There is no evidence that Yamnaya “took light women” and in fact the later Indo European cultures that actually have light pigmentation SNPs (such as Corded Ware) genuinely lack Yamnaya Y-DNA haplogroups (R1b), having been supplanted by baltic R1a, indicating these featues spread via males.

    • Replies: @Sean
  111. @onebornfree

    In addition to this, most of them have the facial features of gargoyles.

    Since when did a “race” get defined by its females, anyway? Traditionally a race is defined by its males. Open any anthropology textbook (such as Coon’s “The Races of Europe”) and you will see mostly male faces.

    This is cringeworthy. I don’t ever want to see a female exemplar of a race, much less exclusively females.

  112. tamo says:
    @anonymous

    Your girlfriend ? LOL !!! She doesn’t particularly look East Asian to me.

  113. @EdNels

    Well from Phy Anth 101: ‘’African Negroid is the most polymorphic of the races.’’ So if you want to specify a particular tribe or something, there’s quite a diversity among the African natives

    Huh? Nobody ever said that, it’s south African San people who have the highest genetic diversity, not “Negroids”. And that says nothing about physical diversity. The San aren’t Negroid, but Capoid.

  114. Maybe it’s my low IQ. But it stands to reason that a small country that has maintained a definitive practice of narrow breeding within their boundaries would look generally the same, However, that would not make them more human.

    The dynamics here is small country with insular almost everything. That cannot really provide many answers if any to the issues regarding the US a large country with little or no globalist expansionist ambitions.

    https://www.ifitweremyhome.com/compare/US/FI

    Beautiful country and beautiful people. Certainly if one is seeking quiet, solace and homegenous white skin, it is certainly one location that suits. Why it is an article of interest to US citizens is hard to understand. The early arrivals to these shores were not all white. They were aggressive bounders with global ambitions who from their earliest days inter-marred and or bred with whites and nonwhites alike, with or without consent. Hardly a culture reflective refined Finnish social and personal acumen or goals.

    http://www.unz.com/gdurocher/the-uniqueness-of-the-finnish-race/#respond

    but it won’t extend one’s life by much.

  115. Sean says:
    @Sam Coulton

    I was talking about skin colour and the fact is that Finns do not have the lightest skin in Europe. Neither do the populations with even more EHG ancestry that Finns.

    There is no evidence that Yamnaya “took light women”

    There is no evidence of the dark women the Yamnaya took, because those women did not get took care of. That is, they did not elicit care and provisioning (as a baby’s light skin does). Think Stoya, an ethereal, vulnerable look. All that was needed for light skin types to sweep across Europe is the dark women’s genes were not passed on.

    https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/05/10/lord-indra-was-a-tan-man/
    The evidence is starting to come together for me that several populations of Europeans whose present genetic character overall were assembled during the Bronze Age simultaneously and in parallel underwent depigmentation.

    The genes for white skin swept to fixation in Bronze age Europe, while evil bastard killer Yamnaya were slaughtering their way from the Danube to the Baltic. Yet

    It is clear from this that Bronze Age Indo-Europeans, including the Sintastha, did not have the pigmentation profile of Northern Europeans today.

    What did the Indo-Aryans look like? I didn’t run the HIrisPlex, but I’m 95% sure that Winston Churchill would have called them “wogs.”

    No recipe for mixing EHG into other populations can explain the skin colour of modern Europeans. One certainly cannot explain the sudden dearth of genes for swarthiness in the Bronze age by the reproductive success of the Indo Europeans, but the reproductive choices they made could have had a genetic effect

    http://journals.socantscot.org/index.php/psas/article/view/10106/10071
    ‘Ava’ is a real Bell Beaker woman from 4,250 years ago found in Scotland (Stoya is half Scottish ) reconstructed. Left is what they assumed she would look like, right is what her DNA showed she actually did look like.

    Imagine you are a member of a Yamnaya boy band and after a decade of murder and rape have decided to settle down. Pick one.

    • Troll: Sam Coulton
  116. East finns are genetically and phenotypically quite different from west-finns too.

  117. @Veritas X-

    The Finns were the second-best soldiers of the war, no question.

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  118. @Sean

    Stoya is half Yugoslavian, if you are referring to the porn star who claimed to be raped. On a porn set no less.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  119. j2 says:
    @Sean

    Not Finnish facial features, not Finnish personality description. Must be the Williams syndrome.

    • Replies: @Sean
  120. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Agree , nordics are always lecturing mankind on anythinng , those bunch of moron peripheric schizoids think they are the center of the world .

    Agree with the germans , fuck you Greta , fuck you , assfaced swede !

  121. SOCRATES says: • Website
    @BCB232

    Some RACES just look more beautiful than others

  122. Anonymous[239] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hapalong Cassidy

    Robert E Howard was also on target with his dark-haired, somewhat swarthy Conan the Cimmerian

    Not swarthy but bronzed from the sun and the eyes were blue.

  123. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    The Finns were the second-best soldiers of the war

    Their greatest “patriot”, von Mannerheim, was a German who barely spoke Finnish. ‘Nuff said.

    Even worse, the double crossing Finn’s stabbed their former allies in the back in September 1944, the same allies who had saved them from defeat during the Winter War. This was after the Finns had not only failed to timely enter operation Barbarossa, which was highly reminiscent of Stalin’s betrayal in Poland in September 1939, they had also failed to cut off the Leningrad/Murmansk railroad. This failure is what ultimately would lead to the defeat of Germany and the near ZOG genocide of the Finns.

    But what irks me most is how Finn’s (like the Poles, Czechs, Yugos, etc) blamed Germany for the savagery and scorched earth policies of the communist terrorist partisans operating behind the lines in Lapland. All those horrors inflicted on Finnish civilians (like the ones inflicted on Poles, Czechs, etc) were precisely what millions of honorable German soldiers were fighting and dying for to prevent. Germany had had a taste of taste of slavery from 1918-33. They knew what jewish communists had done in Spain in 1936 and Russia in 1917.

    Jews, just as with the holohoax, have managed to twist their own Talmudic behavior and create a sword to wield against Germany. This is merely par for the zionist golf course. But it is the Finns ( and Poles, Czech, etc) who continue to cover for the Talmudic communists and blame the Germans for the consequences of jewish behavior who really deserve our scorn.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  124. j2 says:
    @Wally

    “Remember, j2 also claims millions of Jews were “holocausted” …. without a shred of proof.”

    OK Wally, I know you have some agenda of your own. But let us calculate a lower bound to how many Jews died in the WWII.
    1) German POW camps in Northern Finland had the death ratio 24.5%. It was better than what Finnish POW camps had, 29.5%, so nothing to blame in this death ratio. People die in POW camps.
    2) Germans transported 4 million Jews from the West and West Poland and got 1 million to their hands after the attack to the Soviet Union in 1941. That is 5 million Jews. If out of them died 25%, that is 1.25 million deaths.
    3) The Soviet Union evacuated about 2.5 million Jews. Of them died about 0.85 million in Soviet camps (my estimate just based on a reasonable death ratio for Soviet camps, much better than on Soviet POW camps).
    4) In Romania in transports and camps died 160,000 Jews.
    Together these give the minimum death toll of 1.25+0.85+0.16=2.26 million. By a more precise calculation I get to 2.5 million. What in the world are you complaining in this?

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
  125. j2 says:
    @Cowboy

    “Their greatest “patriot”, von Mannerheim, was a German who barely spoke Finnish. ‘Nuff said.”

    Mannerheim was a Swedish speaking Finnish nobleman. He did learn some Finnish after 1917. He went to military academy in Russia. He did speak German fluently, but had no connections to Germany.

    “Even worse, the double crossing Finn’s stabbed their former allies in the back in September 1944, the same allies who had saved them from defeat during the Winter War.”

    Germany did not help Finland in any way in the Winter War. Indeed, Hitler had given Stalin a free hand to attack Finland in the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement’s secret addendum. But Germany did help Finland to stop the Soviet attack in 1944. Germans helped on the condition that Finland does not make a separate peace, but finally Finland had to apply for peace, German help was still not enough for a longer war and Germany was losing in other fronts. There was no other way for Finland than to make a peace. A year later Germany surrendered – because there was no other way for Germany. There are cases when there simply is no other way. It is stupid to say that one should have made differently when there was no other way left. In the peace agreement Finland had to promise to push Germans to Norway, which had to be done and was done. The one who stabbed German people to the back was Hitler, not Finns. He should not have started the war.

    “This was after the Finns had not only failed to timely enter operation Barbarossa, which was highly reminiscent of Stalin’s betrayal in Poland in September 1939,”

    Finland joined the attack two days after, when Soviet planes had bombed Finland (in order to prevent the accusation of being an attacker) and Hitler had announced that Finland is in the same front. Stalin, in Poland, waited until Germany had crushed Polish defenses.

    “they had also failed to cut off the Leningrad/Murmansk railroad. This failure is what ultimately would lead to the defeat of Germany and the near ZOG genocide of the Finns.”

    Finns cut the original Murmansk railroad, but Soviets made another railroad. Hitler personally forbid both Finns and Germans in Northern Finland from cutting this railroad, for higher goals. This always seemed strange to me, but I found it form a reliable history book of this war. However, the American help to Soviets along this railroad was not the major reason for the defeat of Germany. Germany was defeated by Hitler’s orders. Hitler should have continued the attack in Kursk, as Germans were winning it. Hitler should not have divided forces before the attack to Stalingrad. Finally, Hitler should not have started the war. Starting a war and losing it is not wise.

    “But what irks me most is how Finn’s (like the Poles, Czechs, Yugos, etc) blamed Germany for the savagery and scorched earth policies of the communist terrorist partisans operating behind the lines in Lapland.”

    There were no communist terrorists partisans operating in Lapland in 1944 when Germans burned Lapland.

    “All those horrors inflicted on Finnish civilians (like the ones inflicted on Poles, Czechs, etc) were precisely what millions of honorable German soldiers were fighting and dying for to prevent. Germany had had a taste of taste of slavery from 1918-33. They knew what jewish communists had done in Spain in 1936 and Russia in 1917.”

    This is true to some extent. Hitler fought Communists, though in Stalin’s time they were not any more all Jewish. But Hitler also transported Jews to East and had an agreement with Zionists, so he tried to create Israel. In the beginning Hitler wanted to restore Jews to Palestine and after the war those transported Jews were to be sent somewhere, the only place being Palestine. Thus, Hitler did not fight Zionists. He cooperated with Zionists and wanted to create Israel.

    “Jews, just as with the holohoax, have managed to twist their own Talmudic behavior and create a sword to wield against Germany. This is merely par for the zionist golf course.”

    So they have done.

    “But it is the Finns ( and Poles, Czech, etc) who continue to cover for the Talmudic communists and blame the Germans for the consequences of jewish behavior who really deserve our scorn.”

    Finns do not blame Germans. Some Finns sometimes mention the burning of Lapland if too eager neo-Nazis claim that Germans did not do anything bad during the war time (every country did something bad in that war), but that issue has long ago been forgotten. German soldiers behaved well in Finland during the war time and Finland got weapons from Germany in the continuation war. Finland and Germany were on the same side. So, you can focus on some other target than Finns. For Finns the war is over and forgotten. Finland did not ask for reparations for Lapland, it is over.

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @Cowboy
  126. j2 says:
    @Veritas X-

    “However, little known is the Finns had a kill/casualty ratio versus Soviets of 30-1 to 50-1 depending on which sources one finds.”

    In the Winter War the kill ratio was 1:5 on favor of Finns. In forces there was 1:3 advance of Soviets, 1:30 advance in air planes, 1:100 advance in tanks. About.

  127. Sean says:
    @j2

    Exactly, and Williams Syndrome has been seen as related to domestication. Finns as wolves in the shape of men.

    • Replies: @j2
  128. Anounder says:
    @onebornfree

    This is your brain on liberalism.

    Not that it matters. Your ilk are going to be bred out sooner or later since you refuse to control your women and breed.

  129. Anounder says:
    @onebornfree

    Go take a look at who’s reproducing in this world and ask yourself if history will side with you.

  130. Sean says:
    @j2

    Carroll Quigley, Tragedy And Hope A History Of The World In Our Time

    On October 14th the Soviet Union demanded that the Finnish frontier north of Leningrad be pushed back along the shore of the gulf so that the frontier would run westward from Lake Ladoga instead of southward as formerly. This would put the Linnish frontier about 50 miles from Leningrad, leaving Linland about half of the Karelian Isthmus. In addition, the Bolsheviks demanded a 30-year lease on the Finnish naval base at Hango at the entrance to the Gulf of Finland, a strip about 100 miles long and 10 miles wide in central Finland (where the Finnish frontier came closest to the railroad line between Leningrad and Russia’s ice-free port of Murmansk on the Arctic Sea), and a small area of about 25 square miles where the Finnish frontier reached the Arctic Ocean west of Murmansk. In return for these concessions Moscow offered a nonaggression pact, about 2,100 square miles of wooded area in central Finland, and permission to Finland to fortify the Aaland Islands between Finland and Sweden, something which had been forbidden since 1921.

    It is not yet clear why Finland rejected the Russian demands of October 1939. The Germans and Russians believed that it was done under British influence…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-British_plans_for_intervention_in_the_Winter_War

    During the early stages of World War II, the British and French Allies made a series of proposals to send troops to assist Finland against the Soviet Union in the Winter War, which started on 30 November 1939. The war was a consequence of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, which put Finland into the Soviet sphere of influence. The plans involved the transit of British and French troops and equipment through neutral Norway and Sweden. The initial plans were abandoned due to Norway and Sweden declining transit through their land, fearing their countries would be drawn into the war. The Moscow Peace Treaty ended the war in March 1940, precluding the possibility of intervention.

    In 1939 Chamberlain wanted to have a declared but unfought war with Germany but an undeclared, but real war with the Soviet Union.

    Finland wanted to win back territory Stalin had taken from it, and they did so, but then stopped and refused to move on Leningrad. This was a misconceived strategy because unless Germany won the war and was grateful to Finland how could Finland hope to prosper. If they thought Germany was would win without them, then all the more reason they should have helped so as to be in a good position with Superpower Germany. Finland should have went all in or stayed out.


    Hitler should not have divided forces before the attack to Stalingrad.

    I think you mean Moscow. Against the advice of every military professional Hitler stopped Von Bock’s army group Centre for couple of months at Smolensk, while his tanks were hived off with Hoth’s sent north to support the drive on Leningrad , and Guderian’s were despatched to help Army Group South take Kiev.

    Finally, Hitler should not have started the war. Starting a war and losing it is not wise

    It was risky, but he had a better chance of winning–likely would have won had he driven straight for Moscow– than almost anyone realised. In Japan and Finland he had allies that could have guaranteed success by a coordinated attack. He should have tried harder and offered his allies more. Unfortunately, his charisma only worked on Germans.

    Do not forget that Germany agreed to an armistice to end WW1 on the basis of Wilson’s 14 points but then found territory being taken from Germany and sole guilt being attributed to them. I suppose that Germany just wanted to recover its position, but with Hitler they got a lot more than they had bargained for because for him it was take a chance at become a world superpower or resign oneself to an inevitable slow fade away for Germany. I don’t think he would have been surprised by trends like the one discussed in the following story.

    https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/157-lifestyle/13851-are-foreign-men-taking-finnish-women.html

    • Agree: Cowboy
    • Replies: @j2
  131. @Jeff Stryker

    What the hell does “half-Yugoslavian” mean?

  132. @Cowboy

    The Finns did the best they could in a very difficult situation and at the end of the day, the Finnish people were spared the horrors of Bolshevism.

  133. @j2

    On #2, how do you get 4M? The Germans deported about 1.2M from Western Europe, and there were 1.8M in the part of Poland they occupied, so 3M, no?

    • Replies: @j2
  134. Anounder says:
    @j2

    The atomized “individual” is far more of a social construct than “the collective” (itself a meme peddled by a childless Jew woman), seeing as how other mammals like whales and chimps operate within communities of their own. Societies like the Yanomami as found by Napoleon Chagnon also don’t have memes of the “individual”, being not atomized or White men. Once villages grew large enough in size they ended up as Chagnon says here:

    There were yet other “styles” of leadership that seemed to vary by village size: The larger the village, the more severe and draconic leadership seemed to be because kinship and marriage ties were not able to provide the kind of cohesion that held large groups together—and large groups were able to survive longer in a milieu of chronic warfare. Möawä’s style of leadership hints at what tribesmen had to do to take the next step toward political complexity: Kinship organization had to be replaced by political institutions such as formal chiefs who wielded authority that was not based on kinship alone. And there were renowned shamans like Dedeheiwä. His spiritual influence and knowledge spilled over into other social arenas: Dedeheiwä also enjoyed considerable political influence in his village and in the larger geographical region. Interestingly, many Yanomamö headmen are also adept shamans and I can easily imagine situations where the political authority of headmen would be bolstered by “spiritual” authority, a pattern that is frequently found in early “chiefdoms” and “pristine states.”

    See also:

    [MORE]

    http://quillette.com/2018/02/24/behavioral-ecology-male-violence/

    https://traditionsofconflict.com/blog/2019/7/5/eternal-subjugation

    Anyway, while one could say how many races there are is a social construct denying that there are hereditary differences between the populations in Europe and Africa that impact hair texture, eye color, skin color, and yes behavior, etc. is denial. There wouldn’t be health problems and other signs of dysfunction in mixed-race children (let alone in couples considering divorce and domestic violence stats) combined with how breeding with a 3rd cousin is a higher option than breeding with Kunta Kinte otherwise:

    https://archive.fo/LRe05#selection-2333.91-2335.44

    https://archive.fo/1Bhvi#selection-5552.0-5552.1

    https://www.washington.edu/news/2016/08/17/study-finds-bias-disgust-toward-mixed-race-couples/

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_022.pdf

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/019188699190057I

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/25/three-quarters-of-whites-dont-have-any-non-white-friends/

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/12/08/many-u-s-congregations-are-still-racially-segregated-but-things-are-changing-2/

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-7687.2012.01138.x/abstract

    https://phys.org/news/2017-04-infants-racial-bias-members.html

    http://archive.is/fYBbE#selection-1495.59-1495.140

    http://sci-hub.tw/10.1177/0886260509354510

    http://sci-hub.tw/10.2105/ajph.2013.301565

    http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2011/01/06/1015316108

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448064/

    http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1993074,00.html

    https://jech.bmj.com/content/70/12/1251.full

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15994621

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080207140855.htm

    http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-08/uoc–baa081108.php

    http://www.msu.edu/~renn/RHE-_mixed_race.pdf

    http://m.phys.org/_news162659550.html

  135. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @j2

    Mannerheim was a Swedish speaking Finnish nobleman.

    The Mannerheims, originally from Germany, became Swedish noblemen in 1693.

    Hitler had given Stalin a free hand to attack Finland in the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement’s secret addendum.

    No, Hitler had agreed that the Baltics and Finland would fall into a soviet “sphere of influence”. When the communist jews invaded Hitler was furious. I do stand corrected about Germany not providing arms to Finland in 39/40.

    [MORE]

    There were no communist terrorists partisans operating in Lapland in 1944 when Germans burned Lapland.

    From an US army study of the Peltsamo-Kirkenes Operation, chapter 6, pg 100:

    Soviet Special Operations

    Both the Karelian Front and the Northern Fleet employed special-purpose detachments, so named because their special mission was to strike targets behind the German lines. Two special operations were conducted in support of the Petsamo-Kirkenes Operation, one by special-purpose troops of the 14th Army and the other by a composite detachment of naval infantry men and sailors from the Northern Fleet.

    In July 1944, the Front commander,General Meretskov, ordered several special-purpose detachments from an assault combat engineer brigade to be formed and prepared for operations deep in the German rear.1 The men came from various engineer units, including the 6th Separate Guards Battalion of Demolition Specialists(6thOGBM**), the 64th and 222d Motorized Assault Combat Engineer Battalions, and the 168th Army Engineer Battalion.

    In terms of depth, the special purpose detachments operated in a broad zone that extended from the German regimental rear to corps rear,from eight to fifty kilometers behind the frontline.The irreconnaissance and combat activities were directed more at communications and transportation facilities and targets than at combat forces.

    So we have a bunch of drunk Russian rapists hunting for revenge against the Nazi Finn’s, led by jewish kommisars up to 50 kilometers behind enemy lines. We know from other fronts that these jewish terrorist operations stipulated that there would be only one survivor who would tell the rescuers that the Germans did it. Jewish kommisars knew exactly how to fake being German, because so many spoke yiddish and were crypto jews.

    Some Finns sometimes mention the burning of Lapland if too eager neo-Nazis claim that Germans did not do anything bad during the war

    And all jews always mention the holohoax if “too eager neo-Nazis” refuse to accept the German war guilt claims from either of the two world wars for Israel. This is the crux of the issue, blaming Germany for what jews and shabbos did.

    Finns need to stop being such cucks and re-examine what was done to them. More than any other foreign country, Germans fought to save Finland from communism. When the Germans failed, partly because Finland was only interested in herself, Finland switched sides and allowed the Soviets to pin their war crimes on Germany. And they are still doing it today, and you are still doing it today J2. It would be far easier for you to prove that it was Germans who burned Lapland rather than Soviet partisans and Special forces, but as usual this is impossible since the Bolshevic jews ALWAYS falsified reports.

    The same applies to your extremely naiive holocaust calculations, which are based on nothing more than jewish lies and propaganda.

    • Replies: @Beefcake the Mighty
    , @j2
  136. Anounder says:
    @Sean

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/big-if-true/

    Distance between populations has been underestimated through past methods. Newer research that has access to more samples and new methods shows that indeed, the likes of Lewontin underestimated how much difference there are between populations seperated by enough geographical separation (also called races).

  137. @Cowboy

    Yes, the non-aggression pact only held that the Baltics and Finland could be used by the Soviets as staging grounds in the event of war, not aggressed against (in Finland’s case) or outright annexed (in the Baltic’s case). The Soviets clearly exceeded their agreed-upon mandate.

  138. @Wally

    Give me a break. In a horrible war in which 10’s of millions were killed, why would you doubt that Jewish deaths were in the 1-2M range (something revisionists like Butz and Sanning believe)? j2 makes very clear he doesn’t believe the official story, and his meticulous work here supports the revisionist position. What do you think you’re accomplishing by attacking anyone who doesn’t adhere to an extreme revisionist position (really a caricature of revisionism)?

    • Replies: @Cowboy
  139. PB96 says:
    @Sean

    Curious here, how come the French have more Nganasan admixture than the English?

    Also as someone who is not too knowledgeable about genetics , how much Siberian ancestry does this graph translate to for the Eastern European pops?

  140. PB96 says:
    @Logan

    Sorry, bit confused, if the East Asian like ancestry arrived only 3500 years ago, does that not imply some connection with at least Siberian populations?

    • Replies: @Logan
  141. The one thing I’ve never understood about the finish is why they put such tiny heads on their nails.

  142. Ahv says:
    @Sean

    Ohhh yes they do except a few irish redhead finish are the lightest skinned europeans , they have the highest proportion of blonde hair and blue eyes too.

    And yes finns have the highest proportion of eastern hunter gatherer admixture in the world.

    • Replies: @Sean
  143. Cowboy [AKA "Kartoffelstampfer"] says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    [You have repeatedly changed your commenter handle, which is prohibited on this website. If you do this one more time, all your future comments may be summarily trashed. Since you anyway contribute almost nothing of any value, your total exclusion will be a small loss.]

    why would you doubt that Jewish deaths were in the 1-2M range

    One reason would be because impoverished and over indebted white families need that blood money back, with interest. If you try to be magnanimous and allow jews their unproven holohoax claims, then they will kvetch, squeal and whine until they get to keep their stolen holohoax loot.

    Another reason would be that if we accept any of their outrageous unproven claims and lies, we will never get at the truth. Assuming that J2’s 2.5 million jews, in contradiction to Jewish Encyclopedia world jewish population statistics, did die, then who is responsible for setting up their deaths and the demise of the majority of them? I would argue that it wasn’t Hitler. Hitler was desperate to get fake Germans of jewish descent out of Germany without blood shed.

    A final reason is quite simple: honor. By letting jews continually get away with their lies you only encourage more of them. In a court of law when a witness is caught lying to the court after swearing an oath of truth, all of his testimony has to be disregarded by the jury. So it is with jews who have been spreading their talmudic lies for centuries. It is long past time that any statement made by a jew is instantly considered to be untrue because of their history and how the Kol Nidre absolves them of sin for lying to goyim. If we throw out all of the jewish lies about both world wars we would be forced to reconstruct all of modern history, and when we were finished we would perfectly understand how their deep and malignant obsession with lies courses through the blood stream of this entire species of non-humans.

    • Replies: @j2
    , @Beefcake the Mighty
  144. j2 says:
    @Beefcake the Mighty

    “On #2, how do you get 4M? The Germans deported about 1.2M from Western Europe, and there were 1.8M in the part of Poland they occupied, so 3M, no?”

    You are right, my mistake. Sorry, I did not think before writing. Let me correct then, including East, Germans had 4 million, so 1 million would have died even if the camps were well kept. So, we get the minimum death toll to about 2 million. But as it was, I think 25% death toll is optimistic, as it is large in bigger camps and in the end of the war the camp system collapsed. That should mean higher death toll.

  145. j2 says:
    @Cowboy

    “Assuming that J2’s 2.5 million jews, in contradiction to Jewish Encyclopedia world jewish population statistics, did die, then who is responsible for setting up their deaths and the demise of the majority of them?”

    Ultimately it is pre-Zionists, people (mostly Jews) who wanted to restore Jews to Palestine and to create Israel according to prophecies. They started this project around 1820 with Mordecai Manuel Noah, a Jewish Freemason, but by 1840 it had the backing Rothschild and Cremieux. Hitler came much later. First pre-Zionists got Theosophists to write the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in order to start an anti-Semitic campaign to persuade Jews to move, then they created Zionism to persuade Jews to move, then they got the Balfour declaration from the WWI, but Jews still did not want to move. And then a Theosophist created the Thule Society for this purpose, army sent Hitler to join the party made by Thule, and so we have Nazis, who wanted to push the Jews away. Where? In the beginning it was clear, to Palestine, they made the Haavara agreement for that purpose.

  146. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “It is not yet clear why Finland rejected the Russian demands of October 1939. The Germans and Russians believed that it was done under British influence… ”

    It was not done under British influence: Mannerheim had a deep mistrust to British. It was done because those concessions would have resulted in the Soviet Union being able to conquer the country easily after them, as the Soviet Union did to the three Baltic countries after very similar early concessions. This decision was based on correct analysis, that is exactly what Soviets would have done.

    “I think you mean Moscow.”

    [MORE]

    Yes, I meant Moscow. I am not much of a Second World War historian. But Hitler made several very strange decisions, which make you wonder if his goal was not to attack, transport Jews, and to lose.
    1) Dunkirk, Hitler let the British to evacuate
    2) Murmansk railroad, Finns cut the original railroad. Both Finns and Germans in Lapland wanted to attack the second railroad (I mean, it had a new part to avoid what Finns cut), Hitler forbid the attacks.
    3) Hitler divided forces before attacking Moscow
    4) Hitler did not let Paulus to break free in Stalingrad
    5) Hitler stopped the battle of Kursk, though Germans were winning despite heavy losses
    The way Hitler came to power (Thule’s DAP, army sending him there, getting to be the prime minister with the help of an industrialist lobby) makes one wonder who he really was.

    “Finland wanted to win back territory Stalin had taken from it, and they did so, but then stopped and refused to move on Leningrad. This was a misconceived strategy because unless Germany won the war and was grateful to Finland how could Finland hope to prosper. If they thought Germany was would win without them, then all the more reason they should have helped so as to be in a good position with Superpower Germany. Finland should have went all in or stayed out.”

    In the original plans it was Germans who were to reach the Finnish lines, so Finns stopped where they were supposed to. But Germans did not manage to get there, so Hitler later asked Finland to close the siege. But as it was, Hitler had visited Mannerheim on his birthday (4. June 1942) and he had explained his plans. Those plans did not convince Finnish officers, they concluded after the meeting that Germany will lose. Finns were professional officers, Hitler was not. As this was to be expected, Mannerheim did not want to make the situation worse by closing the siege of Leningrad, though Finns could have done it at that time.

    “It was risky, but he had a better chance of winning–likely would have won had he driven straight for Moscow– than almost anyone realised. ”

    Napoleon went to Moscow and won all battles, but did not win. Yet, German high command had a reason to think that the war could be won, but did Hitler intend to win the war. He spent lots of effort to transport the Jews. Was that maybe his true goal?

  147. Sean says:
    @Ahv

    Obviously the selection pressure that produced blonde hair is not the quite the same as the one that created red hair, in fact my bet is red hair is something of a side effect of a gene that spread because it conferred whiter than white skin. Blonde hair does not do that, which is why Baltic blondes have relatively tawny skin tones.

    Why would a hair colour that gives the very lightest skin be much more common in Ireland than way up north in Finland? Explain to me what happened to all the non derived skin color alleles that were so common, but suddenly disappeared at the beginning of the Bronze age.

  148. @Sean

    There is no evidence of the dark women the Yamnaya took,

    Actually there is in fact evidence of that, as Yamnaya did mix with WHG (black skinned) Yamnaya men were exterminated by lightly pigmented people of the Corded Ware, Sintashta and Andronovo cultures who also took their women.

    of. That is, they did not elicit care and provisioning (as a baby’s light skin does). Think Stoya, an ethereal, vulnerable look. All that was needed for light skin types to sweep across Europe is the dark women’s genes were not passed on.

    That is impossoble as light skinned women would be in severe shortage in Europe as most were dark skinned, and most were not vulnerable. Women do not pass on their genes as effectively as men as they can only breed once a year, rare cases of twins aside.

    Also, light skin does not look vuknerable and neither does stoya.

    No recipe for mixing EHG into other populations can explain the skin colour of modern Europeans.

    Uh, yes it can and does.

    One certainly cannot explain the sudden dearth of genes for swarthiness in the Bronze age by the reproductive success of the Indo Europeans, but the reproductive choices they made could have had a genetic effect

    The reproductive success of corded ware men explains the sudden dearth of swarthiness in the Bronze Age.

    Imagine you are a member of a Yamnaya boy band and after a decade of murder and rape have decided to settle down. Pick one

    The earliest Bell Beaker males from central Europe (hungary) have red hair and light skin pigmentation; the specimen you posted (‘Ava’) is a hybrid Beaker from Scotland which postdates the hybridization of light skinned Bell Beaker men with WHG dark skinned women after they migrated West out of central Europe. You literally just pwned yourself, Sean.

    • Replies: @PB96
  149. PB96 says:
    @Sam Coulton

    Regarding Ava, should it not be Neolithic Farmer? I thought the WHG were largely gone by then

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
  150. @Cowboy

    Agreed w/the mods, changing your handle is highly irritating, to say the least.

    Opposing Zionism or Organized Jewry has nothing to do with the objective question of how many Jews actually died during WW2. (And you can get in a lot of trouble even if you accept the mythical 6M number but reject the widespread claim that Jewish losses were somehow more lamentable than Slavic or German or Chinese.)

    If you claim revisionist research should be driven by ideological considerations (as you seem to be), than how different are you from those you claim to oppose?

  151. @PB96

    WHG are not “gone”. WHG admixture forms the largest autosomal component of Western Europeans.

    WHG were present all throughout Scotland and England (and Western Europe) before the arrival of the Beaker people, living side by side with neolithic farming communitiies, which were often mixed heavily with WHG. Neolithic farmers never attempted to replace WHG or any other European HGs.

    • Replies: @PB96
  152. j2 says:
    @Sean

    “Exactly, and Williams Syndrome has been seen as related to domestication. Finns as wolves in the shape of men.”

    This is an interesting topic if we drop Finns. Finns are as much tamed as anybody. The point I wanted to make is that people, like the author of this article, and other from the right, seem to support such a healthy view that deviants should not be accepted. That is what wild animals do: for some reason or another (i.e., either they kill deviants or deviants do not manage to breed) deviants are purged from the gene pool. This is correct, as deviants finally cause the ruin of the population.

    There was one comment you did not correctly answer. It was about that foxes when tamed start barking, get many colors and floppy ears. So, they have some genetic difference, they are deviants. They would normally be purged out, but a human tamer does not purge them, he selects from the whole population those who show low aggression. Thus, the selected gene pool can contain deviants on any respect. These tamed animals will be lacking in some respect, in the behavior, that is. They would be killed or fail to breed, as they behave incorrectly.

    And this is the result of taming. Tame animals are very tolerant, they tolerate deviants, as they have low aggression. In the beginning this is good: something new and good can come out. In cultural evolution it is similar, in the beginning this enriches the culture, there are new inventions, progress. But finally bad deviations accumulate to the level that the population dies. It can survive only if taken care of by human masters. So, to turn a population into slaves, tame them, reduce the level of aggression, make them very tolerant. The bad deviations appear in time by themselves.

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  153. j2 says:
    @Cowboy

    “No, Hitler had agreed that the Baltics and Finland would fall into a soviet “sphere of influence”. When the communist jews invaded Hitler was furious.”

    Hitler may have thought so, but he was not a professional soldier, who would have immediately seen that after those concessions Soviets will annex the country, as Soviets did in three Baltic countries. By not interfering in any way during the Winter War, like sending weapons, Hitler did give Soviets a free hand.

    “I said: There were no communist terrorists partisans operating in Lapland in 1944 when Germans burned Lapland.
    “The you refer to:
    From an US army study of the Peltsamo-Kirkenes Operation, chapter 6, pg 100:
    Soviet Special Operations, Both the Karelian Front and the Northern Fleet employed special-purpose detachments, so named because their special mission was to strike targets behind the German lines. Two special operations were conducted in support of the Petsamo-Kirkenes Operation, one by special-purpose troops of the 14th Army and the other by a composite detachment of naval infantry men and sailors from the Northern Fleet.”

    Please, check from the map where is Rovaniemi and where is Petsamo-Kirkenes. Soviets were still at war with Germany and were going to attack Norway, but it was not Soviet partisans who burned Lapland. We know exactly the German commander who gave the order, the order was prepared beforehand. The original goal of this order was to burn the land in case it is at the risk of falling in Soviet hands.

    “Finns need to stop being such cucks and re-examine what was done to them. More than any other foreign country, Germans fought to save Finland from communism.”

    This is not really true. The Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement was the direct reason for the Soviet attack on Finland in 1939. Germans, before Nazis, had indeed fought in the White side in 1918-1919 Finnish civil war, but the plan of attacking the Soviet Union by starting a world war and Finland being drawn to it was nothing good. Hitler did exactly that. Germans should stop being such cucks as to admire this Austrian guy, who started a war and lost it, either on purpose or because he did not want to listen to German generals.

    “When the Germans failed, partly because Finland was only interested in herself, Finland switched sides and allowed the Soviets to pin their war crimes on Germany.”

    And what exactly do you expect Finland could have done? Germans are pinning it on Germany.

    “And they are still doing it today, and you are still doing it today J2. It would be far easier for you to prove that it was Germans who burned Lapland rather than Soviet partisans and Special forces, but as usual this is impossible since the Bolshevic jews ALWAYS falsified reports.”

    It is easier to prove that Germans did it because in this particular case Germans did it.

    “The same applies to your extremely naiive holocaust calculations, which are based on nothing more than jewish lies and propaganda.”

    From Jewish statistics before the war and after the war follows that all main claims of holocaust revisionists are essentially correct. It does not matter if Jewish statistics is correct, as that is what the official story is based on. Thus, starting from the same numbers one can show that the official story is false.

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  154. Levtraro says:
    @Anatoly Karlin

    Look up “Wired deCODE Iceland” in duckduckgo and you will get a relevant article in Wired as the first entry. What you ask for has already been done with the Icelandic population. Several advantages noted such as long genealogical records, extensive medical databases, known history of population, little mixing, etc. Several papers already published.

  155. Kerala says: • Website

    History is written by the victors.Good info concerning the war in general and Finland.Some revisionist history concerning kabuki theater i.e. WW II. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/02/10/ww2-ww3-khazars-the-war-i

  156. j2 says:
    @j2

    Cowboy, I looked up for you a reference in English:
    “In response to the betrayal committed by their former allies in attacking German troops, General Lothar Rendulic ordered a scorched earth strategy to be implemented, as punishment for the stab in the back. The Germans destroyed all government and civilian buildings, except churches and hospitals on their path to Norway.”
    https://www.warhistoryonline.com/world-war-ii/lapland-war-fight-finland-leave-war.html

    With your theory that Soviet partisans burned Lapland, instead of this very well documented case of Germans burning it, and offering Soviet special operations in Petsamo-Kirkenes area, you should notice that while Petsamo was a part of Finland as long as the war continued, Finland had to give the whole right arm to the Soviet Union. Germans indeed burned everything in that area, but that did not matter to Finns, as the area was evacuated and given to Soviets. What is meant by burning Finnish Lapland is the area of Lapland that stayed in Finland, and it is far from Petsamo-Kirknes. From Petsamo-Kirknes Germans withdrew directly to Norway. If you take a map, you see why. Look where is Rovaniemi. Not there. But it was not only Rovaniemi that Germans burned. The burning order was signed by Wuerst 11.10.1944.

  157. chris says:
    @Felix Krull

    LOL !!! WOW, that may be even stupider than monster truck meets, though there maybe a certain angle to this that I may be missing. Was Epstein a big sponsor here ?

    PS The title is a little misleading as it implies that there are other similar events in other countries, just not that large; which I would wager is not the case.

  158. PB96 says:
    @Sam Coulton

    Interesting, thanks. So you attribute her color and hair texture to WHG admixture?

    I do know the Beakers elsewhere were blondish, no?

    Also is the SEA in the map, a South East Asian component? How come it exists in Scandinavia but not in Germany? Should not EA make more sense?

  159. Sean says:
    @j2

    I posted a long video about domestication and humans by a world authority on the subject. Best look there for the answer to your supplementary questions.

    So, they have some genetic difference, they are deviants. They would normally be purged out

    It seems to me that Finns are far less tolerant than Danes when comes comes to deviants. In Denmark same-sex sexual activity was legalized in 1933. Denmark was the first country in the world to grant legal recognition to same-sex unions. Going by the digit ratios, it’s probably due to Danes being much less masculine. Danish women are not exactly ugly though.

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  160. utu says:
    @Sean

    Italy was one of the first countries in the world that decriminalized homosexual acts (1889) and Poland did decriminalize homosexual acts in (1933). It seems that Protestant countries usually did it much later.

    Your argument using Denmark obviously is spurious, specious and fatuous which is typical of your trolling MO. I am surprised that “j2” does not ignore you. I am also surprised that Ron Unz still tolerates your trolling.

  161. Logan says:
    @PB96

    Not exactly my area. But to the extent I understand it, the Finnic peoples used to live in NE Asia. They were pushed and/or chose to move west, and other peoples moved in who are only tangentially related to them genetically.

    On a much grander scale, consider Australia. The vast majority of present-day peoples living there are not at all related to “Australian” people from a historical POV.

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