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I recently wrote on the role of inspiration and perspiration in men’s careers. I also gave the example of Charles de Gaulle, who definitely hewed closer to the side of perspiration. Through the occasional bold move and the blessings of Fortune, the Frenchman’s decades of labor were rewarded with great moments of glory. Adolf Hitler and the evolution of the Third Reich provide another and very different example of political leadership. With Hitler we have an example of a man who, for the life of him, could not hold down a day job and who was forever possessed by and ran after his passions.

People have no idea just how artistic, Bohemian, and indeed feckless Hitler was by temperament. This is something which all those who frequented Hitler knew and which all the historians of the period know but which is scarcely mentioned in the documentaries and Hollywood films which shape public consciousness. Hitler was, in effect, a lifelong NEET (Not in [formal] Education, Employment, or Training). The Third Reich seems quite unique in having such a dictator at the helm.

In one of Mein Kampf’s more relateable passages, Hitler explains that when he was young he couldn’t bear the idea of spending his whole life in a pre-defined social and professional box, going back and forth from the office, as was the case of his father, a customs official. He later told his press secretary, a despairing Otto Dietrich, that a moment’s inspired idea contributed more to the world than a lifetime’s worth of office work.

Young Hitler (on whom, see Brigitte Hamann’s excellent Hitler’s Vienna) was obsessed with art, architecture, and politics, passions which would never leave him. He was an insatiable bookworm and incorrigible loudmouth. He could produce professional architectural sketches and decent touristic paintings. He would draw sketches, read books, and talk politics and art with whoever would listen (in this case, his youthful friend August Kubizek) into the wee hours of the morning. This set the pattern for the rest of his life: most of the time he was thoroughly incapable of going to bed at a reasonable time. He certainly wasn’t interested in finding a job. As a result, when Hitler’s family savings ran out he ended up a homeless vagrant.

Hitler’s service in the German Army during the First World War seems to have done him a lot of good. After the war, he thrived not by buckling down doing some anonymous job, but by “finding his voice”: in the scandalous conditions of postwar Germany, with a defective Weimar Republic manifestly incapable of challenging the iniquities of the Treaty of Versailles, there was finally a ready audience for his scathing political analyses. In truth, his time in Vienna – in which he witnessed the farce of multiethnic democratic politics first-hand – had prepared him well. Once Hitler found his “calling,” he of course had his spectacular and erratic career, featuring prison, mastery of Germany and Europe, and total oblivion.

One cannot understand the rise of Hitlerism and its tremendous socio-cultural (and not merely political) transformation of Germany without watching Hitler’s speeches and trying understand the mindset of those who were enraptured by him. Hitler relentlessly chased after those things which emotionally resonated with him: national honor, power, and a certain aesthetic, within the framework of the Right-wing fin-de-siècle German-speaking culture which he had imbibed as a youth (let us say that Darwin, Nietzsche, and Drumont were permeating the air). Hitler presented a vision for Germany’s rebirth under a zealous nationalist elite, according to scientific principles, which resonated with a critical mass of Germans. Nationalism was all the more compelling in Germany, a nation which, unlike most, was objectively one of both great accomplishment and potential.

I must say, the stories of the Third Reich’s various bureaucratic problems make me more sympathetic toward today’s bureaucrats and officialdom with their little miserable problems.

I have not seen a good overall assessment of how Hitler’s erratic management style affected German government and the war effort. Certainly, it drove his civil servants mad. Chancellor Hitler was only able to stick to regular office hours while President Paul von Hindenburg was alive, evidently trying to make a good impression. Later, he would stay up until three or four or five in the morning every night, meaning that important decisions often could not be taken before 11AM.

After 1937, incredibly, there were virtually no cabinet meetings at all, a situation which reinforced Hitler’s own position at the center of the political system, but left his ministers and their bureaucracies in the dark regarding each other’s activities. There was no well-defined way of taking decisions, Hitler would simply send out “Führer Orders” according to his mood and whatever issues people around him raised. This system also gave tremendous power to the man who controlled access to Hitler: his secretary, Martin Bormann. This was known as the arbitrary and fickle “politics of the antechamber.”[1]There is something to be said in favor of parliamentary politics, notwithstanding their insincere and theatrical aspect.

All this is strikingly at odds with Hitler’s image at the time.[2]No less than Mahatma Gandhi could say in a June 1940 speech:

Hitler is awake all the 24 hours of the day in perfecting his sadhana [spiritual training]. He wins because he pays the price. His inventions surprise his enemies. But it is his single-minded devotion to his purpose that should be the object of our admiration and emulation. Although he works all his waking hours, his intellect is unclouded and unerring. Are our intellects unclouded and unerring? (Mahatma Gandhi, The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi (New Delhi: Publications Division Government of India, 1999), vol. 78, p. 349. https://www.gandhiservefoundation.org/about-mahatma-...andhi/

On other hand, the Third Reich was by some indicators notoriously well-organized, far better than either the Weimar Republic or the Western democracies, notably in terms of social welfare and unity, economic recovery, military preparedness, and mass participation. Hitler, being an artist at the head of a gifted country, would generally stick to his areas of interest and was often wise enough to let his subordinates take care of the details. The country’s staying power in the face of adverse military conditions was simply remarkable, although obviously ultimately vain.

The bureaucrats of course found ways around Hitler’s management quirks. Senior civil servants would send circulars around the ministries to discuss important topics of shared interest, so as to come to common conclusions on necessary action to be presented to the Führer. Interest groups within the Reich – women, corporations, youth, workers . . . – were organized and had representation in various Party bureaucracies, which then provided their input to government. These practices in many ways foreshadow the various “consultation” procedures and perpetual “advocacy” of interest groups that we find in advanced states today, democratic or not.

Hitler had a habit of creating ad-hoc positions to address a particular problem and not following up. The result was a plethora of officials and bureaucracies competing for influence. Some of these officials, lacking a well-defined mandate, would complain that they had little to do but show up at the sites of bombings in German cities and give consolatory speeches.

One wonders if the Reich would have been more successful if there had been more regular modes of decision-making. Certainly a cabinet, with the bureaucrats behind them, would tend to avoid overly ideological and impractical schemes. It also seems that isolated bureaucracies, operating more or less independently from their peers, would be more likely to engage in creeping radicalization, according to their own internal logic.

Would regular procedures and involved bureaucrats have prevented certain disastrous decisions taken by Hitler, particularly in the second half of 1941? Possibly, but then again, had the bureaucrats prevailed, it seems unlikely many of Hitler’s bold initial decisions would have been taken, from the reoccupation of the Rhine to the conquest of France. Certainly, after 1940, one often finds the bureaucrats making sensible proposals, whether in the Foreign Ministry (for a European Confederation recognizing the sovereignty of member states), the Army (moderating Eastern policy), and even the Waffen-SS (opening up recruitment far beyond Germanics to whoever was willing to serve, including Slavs, Tartars, and Bosnian Muslims, despite Hitler’s preferences).

Hitler was astoundingly psychorigid, basically forming his worldview by his early thirties, and then relentlessly acting according to that worldview until his last day. He was all about inspiration, to the point of incontinence. These traits were integral to both his meteoric rise and his complete fall.

Anyway, all this to say that one needs balance in all things. One needs inspiration and perspiration: the steadiness to persevere, the boldness to break through, the moderation to not destroy oneself . . . and luck.

Notes

[1] There is something to be said in favor of parliamentary politics, notwithstanding their insincere and theatrical aspect.

[2] No less than Mahatma Gandhi could say in a June 1940 speech:

Hitler is awake all the 24 hours of the day in perfecting his sadhana [spiritual training]. He wins because he pays the price. His inventions surprise his enemies. But it is his single-minded devotion to his purpose that should be the object of our admiration and emulation. Although he works all his waking hours, his intellect is unclouded and unerring. Are our intellects unclouded and unerring? (Mahatma Gandhi, The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi (New Delhi: Publications Division Government of India, 1999), vol. 78, p. 349. https://www.gandhiservefoundation.org/about-mahatma-gandhi/collected-works-of-mahatma-gandhi/

 
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  1. Matty says:

    I’ve studied as much as I can regarding characteristics and patterns of thinking and behaviour typically associated with what we call ‘the autistic spectrum’. I’ve also studied as much as I can regarding Hitler’s personality, behaviour, style of thinking etc. I’m fairly convinced that any psychological or psychiatric assessment of him today would put him firmly on the autistic spectrum. In many ways fairly typical. The architectural style of his paintings, his obsession with Wagner, his love of order, system based thinking, social awkwardness, rocking back and forward, determination, loyalty and focus, a fussy eater, rigid black and white thinking, highly principled, rigid sense of morality and duty, the love of nature and traditional rural living over industrialized city life, the ranting monologues, intensive reading and researching etc etc. All in todays terms would be considered autistic characteristics.

  2. anon[234] • Disclaimer says:

    Hitler, being an artist at the head of a gifted country, would generally stick to his areas of interest and was often wise enough to let his subordinates take care of the details.

    During the last years of his life Hitler was above all the supreme warlord, who tried to manage military operations even in detail and reduced his generals to obedient subordinates carrying out his orders (which doesn’t exculpate that military elite which failed both professionally and morally).
    The recent Hitler biography by Peter Longerich (which I haven’t read yet) also seems to depict him as a highly interventionist dictator who put his personal stamp on many policies. So Hitler did a lot more than merely set out the broad lines of policy.
    Apart from this issue, Durocher’s article strikes me as very pedestrian, quite an achievement to make even Hitler’s career sound boring. Durocher adresses none of the really interesting questions about Hitler, e.g. was there a “rational core” to his world view, as Ernst Nolte claimed? Was it really primarily an excessive reaction to early globalization, and to the universalist challenge of Bolshevism (as Hitler himself tried to claim in his last speech from 30 January 1945, basically justifying his actions by the claim that the bourgeois age was over and that a militant counter-movement against Bolshevism had been necessary)? And if so, what does this mean for today’s nationalist right, faced with the dominance of an immigrationist ideology which in some ways is even more extreme than Bolshevism? Obviously uncritical admiration of Hitler should be impossible, given his extreme amorality and the mass murders carried out by his followers (the “revisionism” promoted on Unz review is a dead end in this regard, the crimes are undeniable), but how should one deal with the status of WW2 and the Holocaust as the foundation myth of the present order?
    I would have expected at least some discussion of such questions. Instead we get “Hitler was a NEET and an artist”. Lame, but I guess one can’t expect more. Unz review has one of the best commenting systems on the net, pity the contributors are mostly cranks and idiots.

  3. peterAUS says:

    With Hitler we have an example of a man who, for the life of him, could not hold down a day job and who was forever possessed by and ran after his passions.

    A corporate drone is ideal here, looks like it.

    Once Hitler found his “calling,” he of course had his spectacular and erratic career, featuring prison, mastery of Germany and Europe, and total oblivion.

    Stopped reading here.

  4. peterAUS says:
    @anon

    During the last years of his life Hitler was above all the supreme warlord, who tried to manage military operations even in detail and reduced his generals to obedient subordinates carrying out his orders ….

    Yep.

    ….Durocher’s article strikes me as very pedestrian…

    Don’t say.

    ….what does this mean for today’s nationalist right, faced with the dominance of an immigrationist ideology…

    Well, what’s your take on it?
    Mine: a CUSTOMIZED version of Nationa Socialism sounds good, in my book.
    The key is that “customized”; what to embrace and what to reject/discard.

    ..how should one deal with the status of WW2 and the Holocaust as the foundation myth of the present order?

    Secondary to the thinking/work re the paragraph above, I guess.

    Unz review has one of the best commenting systems on the net, pity the contributors are mostly cranks and idiots.

    We are, we are….

    Still….the question remains. The “Well, what….” above.

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  5. fnn says:

    How could the (human) female be unidentified?

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  6. From my reading, I would say that this is an accurate portrait of Hitler.

    “He later told his press secretary, a despairing Otto Dietrich, that a moment’s inspired idea contributed more to the world than a lifetime’s worth of office work.”

    Problem with that is that inspiration is a gift of the Muse and she cannot be counted upon to deliver with any regularity. An artistic muse is not a drudge, she is elusive and fickle, which is why the Greek Tragedians prayed for her guidance before they launched into their spiel

    If one lives for the 1% of the time they are inspired then they will come up short 99% of the time. Course, that’s why Hitler had to goose his Muse with injections of benzedrine (which is why he couldn’t sleep and grew increasingly erratic and paranoid as the war went on).

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  7. peterAUS says:
    @ThreeCranes

    ..a gift of the Muse and she cannot be counted upon to deliver with any regularity….

    …. that’s why Hitler had to goose his Muse with injections of benzedrine (which is why he couldn’t sleep and grew increasingly erratic and paranoid as the war went on).

    An interesting point.

    I just think it was something more…prosaic. Mundane.More down to earth, if you will. Or, in military terms: Enemy, Terrain and Weather. Not necessarily in that order.

    BTW….is it known when, exactly, he started using those injections (and probably some other stuff)?
    I’d venture an opinion: December ’41?

  8. anon[607] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Was it really primarily an excessive reaction to early globalization, and to the universalist challenge (sic!) of Bolshevism (as Hitler himself tried to claim in his last speech from 30 January 1945, basically justifying his actions by the claim that the bourgeois age was over and that a militant counter-movement against Bolshevism had been necessary)? And if so, what does this mean for today’s nationalist right, faced with the dominance of an immigrationist ideology which in some ways is even more extreme than Bolshevism?

    It means that the left has to be totally eradicated and outlawed in all nation states, or it will not leave anything standing: no nation, no tradition, no institution, not a single value or idea that is not of its own and especially not a single population. It is inherently totalitarian, it always was. Their vigor of hate is relentless, especially that of the the anti-white Jews, their funding in the billions, their will determined, their opponents pathetic: “classical liberals”/”conservatives”, themselves of the left, just without bravado. Everyone knows by now what is at stake, but does not have the courage or readiness to make the sacrifice.

    The last force to stop the people who own and control the world today with conviction and method, were massacred and destroyed by the USA at the side of Stalin, so it could become world hegemon and it sealed its own fate in the process. And now that the finest fighting force the world had seen since Napoleon, an ideological system to truly oppose the enemies of humanity and the last means for Europe to survive have been crushed, there is no stopping them. Good luck in minority white USSA, owned and dominated by Christ and white hating Chosenites!

    given his extreme amorality and the mass murders carried out by his followers (the “revisionism” promoted on Unz review is a dead end in this regard, the crimes are undeniable)

    Woe is me. The USA certainly did not mind the priest-seminar drop-out turned gangster, turned assassin, turned political terrorist, turned dictator Stalin when they sided with him to ethnically cleanse the Germans in the greatest ethnic cleansing in human history, massacre them and rape their women in the millions, burn women and children alive in their ruined cities and systematically starve them to death, finally brainwashing the people over seven decades until their worst elements celebrate their own destruction. As an act of Jewish revenge, motivated by racial hatred against fundamentally all Europeans.

    The only pathetic idiocy of cranks is the claim of “moral action” on the allied side in WW2. And the anti-natural, immoral, indeed satanic world order they created.

  9. ‘… Anyway, all this to say that one needs balance in all things. One needs inspiration and perspiration: the steadiness to persevere, the boldness to break through, the moderation to not destroy oneself . . . ‘

    You’ve looked at De Gaulle and Hitler. Some other leaders to consider in the same vein: Churchill, Ataturk, Franco, Mussolini.

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  10. I’ve often wondered whether if that Vienna Art Institute to which he applied (his watercolor paintings weren’t all that bad) had accepted him, the world could have been spared a lot of agony.

    I think that perhaps more attention might be paid to Hitler’s military service. I remember reading in one biography that it the time of his life when he was truly happy, despite the deprivations and terror of service on the western front of WWI. I note that he stayed in the army in the immediate aftermath of WWI.

  11. @Colin Wright

    Relevant. To the point. The sketch of Durocher is overly simplistic. Anon corrected ditto in a more detailed way and putted back in the watercolors. ThreeCranes took to the bait.

  12. @Diversity Heretic

    ‘I’ve often wondered whether if that Vienna Art Institute to which he applied (his watercolor paintings weren’t all that bad) had accepted him, the world could have been spared a lot of agony.’

    What did happen is that someone to whom Hitler submitted his work thought that while he didn’t really seem to have the makings of a great painter, he did show potential as a set designer.

    He gave Hitler a letter of introduction to a theatrical producer. Hitler’s nerve failed him, and he never presented the letter.

    Had he, it’s possible ‘Adolf Hitler’ would be an entry in detailed histories of Viennese theater in the first half of the Twentieth Century.

  13. @Diversity Heretic

    ‘… I think that perhaps more attention might be paid to Hitler’s military service…’

    One reason not much attention is paid to Hitler’s military service is that his performance was thoroughly commendable.

    It doesn’t fit with the demonization most writers feel obliged to engage in. One can’t have a chapter extolling Hitler’s virtues as a soldier.

    Stolfi wrote a book called Hitler: beyond Good and Evil.’ It has its flaws, but the concept is laudable. We need to get past feeling obliged to decide Hitler was evil, ‘demonic,’ etc and recognize that he was a remarkable if decidedly idiosyncratic individual of violent opinions who had an unfortunate impact on the world.

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  14. Onebornfree says: • Website

    Another idiotic article about an idiot worshipped by many idiots in his own time – a tradition continued to this day, apparently.

    As there’s an idiot born every minute, this worship of idiots by other idiots will no doubt continue, sad to say. 🤮

    And so it goes….

    “Regards”, onebornfree

  15. @peterAUS

    is it known when, exactly, he started using those injections

    Toland’s magnificent “Adolf Hitler” covers the various gastric maladies that Nasty Old Wolfie suffered, and the bewildering varieties of uppers, downers, fart-fixers, gut-biota-enhancers and dietary restrictions that the bloke endured. Little wonder he came across as a bit cranky at times.

    He was taking about 20 little black pills every day from 1936 onwards (Doktor Koster’s Antigaspills), under the supervision of Morell, who seemed to have gained his trust somehow (and thereafter kept an iron grip over who Hitler consulted for his medical issues).

    Those little black pills were supposed to help calm down his gurgling guts, but in the doses he was taking them also represented a significant amount of strychnine and atropine.

    He also had terrible teeth that gave him a great deal of pain, apparently.

    I can’t recommend Toland’s book highly enough; the contrast between ‘social’ Hitler and ‘Führer’ Hitler after Stalingrad are fascinating.

    The story would be the most ridiculous movie pitch of all time: a guy who didn’t finish school and who is living in homeless hostels in the early 1920s, and is imprisoned for fomenting a rebellion in 1926… is in charge of the country by 1933, mostly as a result of shouting about shit that grinds his gears.

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  16. Would regular procedures and involved bureaucrats have prevented certain disastrous decisions taken by Hitler, particularly in the second half of 1941? Possibly, but then again, had the bureaucrats prevailed, it seems unlikely many of Hitler’s bold initial decisions would have been taken, from the reoccupation of the Rhine to the conquest of France.

    You have a real-life example before you in the Deep State’s attempts to block President Trump’s efforts at every turn. I can’t wait to see how America turns out.

    Going back to my earlier assertion that De Gaulle was not possible without Pétain, Pétain in his WW2 Vichy incarnation would not have been possible without the Führer’s deference to le Vieux Maréchal’s status as a military man of honour who would uphold the Armistice imposed upon Vichy France. Hitler was blind to the opportunities he was foreclosing by expecting the French to become willing allies, and succeeded only in blocking strategic moves into the rest of Western Europe that might have secured all of Western Europe and most of North Africa before allowing the Axis to get drawn into inevitable conflict with Russia. Above all, Hitler was a dreamer.

  17. Here we go again, small men passing judgment on great men. As if the phenomenon of Hitlerian Germany was not enough. As if it could have been much better with a normie in charge!

    I’m not sure this article is worthy of further comment. It has all the hallmarks of a very, very average and weak willed man trying to denigrate a world historical phenomenon. Even Stalin, evil as he was, does not deserve such a treatment.

  18. @Colin Wright

    Judging by what was accepted as “good enough” by the art academy, the only reason Hitler was rejected was his unwillingness to adopt Jewish post modernism. His talent was miles above the hackery that was produced there, most of it third rate Picasso scriblings. Today the art academies produce nothing but junk. And I mean that literally, they collect junk in a pile and call it art and get grants from the state. If any thinks Hitlers rejection in such a climate has anything to do with artistic talent they are deluding themselves. The opposite was true. He had too much talent.

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  19. Malla says:
    @Alexandros

    Expensive Modern “art pieces” are all about money laundering by the super rich, fake, pretentious, degenerate crowd.

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  20. Rich says:
    @Matty

    I wonder if this might be the reason for his single-minded, self-destructive obsession with Stalingrad. Hindsight is 20/20, but he lost the war there, and could have, if he’d been willing to listen to the men in the field, withdrawn and lived to fight another day.

  21. @Malla

    That’s the pinnacle of “finance” AND the fine gentlemen of the art-collectors world. That’s the undercurrent of Hollywood, …and Congress. The rich, synonym for “elites”, amuse themselves while we amuse them. Every second some clowns are born to please and travesty for the lunatic idea, that somehow they will be the next in line, invited to the ante-chamber. A religion, the promise of heaven, scrupulously wanted and longed for by any individual. The Vatican, Mecca, the Fed, there is no difference.

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  22. Brown boi says:
    @anon

    He was still pretty cool/badass cuz he caused a world war.

    Too bad he didn’t die warrior death।।

    That kind of renders final judgment on everything he did. 😐😒🤷‍♀️

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  23. peterAUS says:
    @Kratoklastes

    From

    Toland’s magnificent….

    to

    …are fascinating.

    Informative.

    Now…if/as he was taking all those pills since ’36 then those weren’t the cause of his shortcoming(s) later on.
    Things were working fine for his team, will those pills/health issues, from ’36 to the late ’41. Six years.

    So, it does appear that what really affected him was realities on the ground. Frozen, with enemy who kept fighting hard.

    His story, IMHO, is about the fallibility of a man, even a top guy. Good systems have to have some provisions to address that. Nazi regime didn’t.

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    , @Oscar
  24. peterAUS says:
    @Alexandros

    Here we go again, small men passing judgment on great men.

    ….a very, very average and weak willed man trying to denigrate a world historical phenomenon.

    Pretty much.

    But, then again, some of us small and average men would like to understand that phenomenon better. So, here we are.

    • Replies: @Alexandros
  25. Dutch Boy says:

    The fact that Germany did not start full war mobilization until 1943 reveals the defects of Hitler’s management style.

  26. @Matty

    Black and white thinking = triumph / or downfall (Freud’s death wish – as part of the – – – program, so to speak (part of Hitler’s – – – – – way of life?!).

  27. @peterAUS

    One thing to always keep in mind when analysing WWII is the amount of treason on the German side. After the plot to assassinate Hitler in 1944 failed a rather large group of conspirators in high circles had revealed themselves. Not only that, a secret cable was discovered at the HQ switchboard which had transmitted all military orders since the start of the war to a spy ring in Switzerland. Promptly relayed to the Allied powers.

    This becomes immediately apparent if one picks up the remaining transcripts of Germany’s military conferences:

    December 1st, 1942

    Six steam engines were made available for the train to Narvik, two of which were borrowed from Sweden.
    THE FÜHRER: They will never get them back.
    JODL: One heavy one, 2 medium-weight ones and 3 light one.
    THE FÜHRER: Narvik needs to have something now: If they cut off power there, the Narvik train will be finished.
    KRANCKE: This is what they did back then with coal engines as well. Power was cut off, and we continued to run with steam engines, as a reserve.
    JODL: Then a report about the motor torpedo boat deployment in the Channel came in saying that a steamer of 3,000 tons was sunk and a security vessel was torpedoed.
    THE FÜHRER: In the Channel it’s working! Why isn’t it working down there (Black Sea)?
    KRANCKE: The Black Sea is bigger than the North Sea. Nothing can be done with motor torpedo boats if they don’t know the exact location. They were in the wrong place and had the order to observe the traffic at Tuapse.
    THE FÜHRER: The Russian fleet and our motor torpedo boats seem to me to be like two dogs that bark at each other through a fence and constantly run past the hole through which they could reach each other. They both get out of each other’s way.
    KRANCKE: We are not getting out of the way, but the sea area is too big.
    THE FÜHRER: The room for operations is very small.
    KRANCKE: Now they have gone out there and out to Constanza. Nobody was expecting that.
    THE FÜHRER: Where are our submarines located? In the middle of the Black Sea?
    KRANCKE: I believe they are located at Tuapse, where the supply lines are to be interrupted.
    THE FÜHRER: But they have caught nothing there so far. They have never seen anything. And the Russians go in and out constantly!

    In addition to transmitting orders to the enemy, the conspirators directly sabotaged the war effort. Halder neglected to fortify the weak flank at Stalingrad despite orders from Hitler to do so. Stieff on the Western front, among others, deliberately botched the response to the Normandy landings, the location of which Hitler personally had pin pointed with accuracy. Stieff thought he was doing it for Jahwe.

  28. @Dutch Boy

    Another myth. Germany went over to a war economy as fast as they were able.

    Major investments in infrastructure started in the 1930’s but took till mid war to become operational. These projects absorbed large quantities of capital and labor without contributing to the output of munitions. Once they were completed they helped boost production plus the resources that they kept occupied could be redirected to other projects.

    It was not wastage and bureaucratization but rather the lack of vital resources that affected production. The best way to describe the German war economy is scarcity management. The Germans responded to resource limitations by investing in new technologies (hydrogenation plants etc), in infrastructure and by shifting resources to important projects. They also substituted German workers (that were drafted by the armed forces) with forced and slave labour.

    The belief that the German economy could have produced more armaments if it hadn’t been mismanaged is not supported by the evidence.

    https://archive.is/TlO34#selection-1045.0-1053.136

  29. Matty says:

    I thought it was an excellent article. Not sure why some people thought it was denigrating the man. I find all the focus on Hitler’s military adventures boring and it functions only to reduce the man to the caricature of a warmonger. It’s far more interesting to examine his personality, eccentricities, obsessions and psychology to get an understanding of what he wanted and how he perceived the world. Frederick Spotts book, ‘Hitler And The Power of Aesthetics’ and August Kubizek’s book are both interesting in this regard.

  30. Anon[467] • Disclaimer says:

    Hitler’s “blunders” are greatly exaggerated. I would recommend the works of Leon Degrelle for different perspective on Hitler. Degrelle knew Hitler personally (in addition to Mussolini and many other Axis leaders) and was the only non-German to be awarded the highest possible honors in the Third Reich: The Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves.

    Here are his works at B&N:

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/s/%22Leon%20Degrelle%22?Ntk=P_key_Contributor_List&Ns=P_Sales_Rank&Ntx=mode+matchall

    And a eulogy by the venerable Mark Weber:

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n3p20_Weber.html

    • Agree: Alexandros
  31. peterAUS says:
    @Alexandros

    I see………………………

    Especially

    …..Halder neglected to fortify the weak flank at Stalingrad despite orders from Hitler to do so. ….

    Anyway….you appear to be interested in the topic, so a question:
    If you’d been a close friend and adviser to Hitler, would you have suggested to him to change anything, anytime, from ’39 to ’45? I mean to change some of his methods, approaches, ways of thinking, working habits…..stuff like that.
    For example: “My dear friend, your unique talents and capabilities are essential for big-picture; let somebody else command the Army/Army Group/Field Army. You are The Fuehrer. Just choose the right person and delegate that work to him.”
    Stuff like that.

    What say you?

    Oh, BTW, would you know the full extent of the LONGEST chain of command the man had in his hands/his WORKLOAD; I mean, what was the lowest level he had direct command of?
    We start with Fuehrer (something as US president, say…) and go to …what? Field Army. As Roosevelt commanding the 3rd Army in Europe; Patton as his Chief of Staff there. Or bystander.
    I do hope the man didn’t go for a Corps anytime, but, who knows?

    • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
  32. Matty says:

    “In the case of Adolf Hitler, Frederic Spots’ Hitler and the Power of Aesthetics provides us with a provocative study of the Fuehrer as artist, thereby giving us a compelling perspective on why the Austrian dictator remains a captivating subject. Spotts grips the reader’s attention from the very start, introducing his topic with a photograph (one that I had never seen before) of Hitler literally on the edge of his seat, staring intently from near ground level at a very large architect’s model of Linz, the Fuehrer’s adopted home town, “as it will look after being transformed into the culture centre of Europe.”

    The photograph, Spotts tells us, was taken on February 13, 1945, in the bowels of the Fuehrerbunker, beneath the Reich chancellery in Berlin. Even in extremis, Hitler fretted over the details of the city plans, apparently oblivious to the fact that they would never be brought to reality.
    Hitler and the Power of Aesthetics is a study of Adolf Hitler that focuses upon “his aesthetic nature”. Spotts recounts the story of Albert Speer’s secretary, who testified later that shortly after the beginning of the Second World War, she had overheard Hitler state that “We must end this war quickly. We don’t want war; we want to build.”

    The appearance of Adolf Hitler on the German political scene in the 1920’s was a classic case—perhaps the classic case—of the hour producing the man. As Spotts points out quite elegantly, much of Hitler’s appeal lay in the promise he offered to produce order, security and protection from modernity, and when he spoke on this subject, he did so not only from his own heart, but to the hearts of many others, both within and without Germany.
    On the particular subject of artistic expression, Hitler saw himself as the savior of western civilization itself, and as Fuehrer and first artist in the land, he urged other artists to inspire the public by making their work more accessible. The difficulty was that the art which Hitler wanted to be readily available to the public was the art that he liked. In the modern world, neither the public nor the artists themselves could be relied upon to share the Fuehrer’s artistic tastes. It is probably no coincidence that the first of Hitler’s artistic talents treated by Spotts is that of public speaking.
    The author characterizes the dictator’s speeches as “the most potent expression of [Hitler’s] artistic talents and the key to his rise to power.” As with every aspect of his political career, Hitler left absolutely nothing to chance with respect to his public speaking engagements. He carefully orchestrated every aspect of his delivery—facial expression, posture, gestures—practicing them by the hour until he was satisfied about their potential for positive impact on his audience.
    The most important of his speaking talents, however, was his evidently innate ability to sense the emotional mood of his audience, to connect with that mood, and to mesmerize his audience through that connection. Hitler was his own speechwriter and choreographer, and his goal was always to create an emotional impact, rather than deal with concrete issues.
    Once Hitler attained power, and at least until the coming of war in the fall of 1939, he was so concerned with anything and everything with a public profile that it was difficult for insiders to know whether the Fuehrer’s involvement defined a particular thing as work or pleasure, official or personal, pastime or governing.
    Cultural matters interested Hitler most, and in order to control those matters he inaugurated a Reich Culture Chamber in November 1933. Membership was obligatory for every artist in the Reich, but in fact the overwhelming majority of artists and other professionals in the field, such as critics, writers and academics, wanted to be associated with the new political order, for obvious reasons.
    It was not a bad thing to be an artist in the Third Reich. Adolf Hitler was never happier than when he was in the company of artists; as one of his hangers-on remembered, it was only during such interludes that his “inapproachability was destroyed.” It is often said that Hitler did not like to smile, at least in part because he felt embarrassed in some way about the appearance of his teeth.
    And indeed it is difficult to find a photograph of the dictator smiling, yet the Spotts book has at least two such images, in one of which Hitler is positively beaming. In each of those images the Fuehrer is in a social situation with a number of fellow artists. Hitler subsidized individual artists and art institutions with funds from the fortune he had amassed since becoming Reich Chancellor. The Fuehrer appropriated for himself alone the legal right to confer such things as titles, honors, and honorary professorships, all of which he freely bestowed on favored painters, actors and musicians.
    The dictator was even capable of laying aside his rabid anti-Semitism when it came to artists; in addition to other Jewish artists, Hitler protected high-profile Jews, such as Gustav Mahler and Max Reinhardt. He also forgave criminal conduct engaged in by artists, including even political crimes like homosexuality.
    And perhaps most remarkably, artists were the only persons whom Adolf Hitler exempted from military service. According to the evidence sifted by Spotts, Hitler’s minions maintained a list of at least 20,000 artists who were off-limits for both conscription and volunteering for service, with more individuals being continuously added. Hitler would not acquiesce in calls from Goebbels and Speer to dispense with his protection of artists even after the disaster at Stalingrad and the subsequent commitment to harness the entire German population and economy for “total war”.
    Finally, there was the curious case of Adolf Hitler and “modern art”. Hitler considered any and all artistic movements whose beginnings occurred after 1910 to be “modern art”. According to Spotts, Hitler despised modern art because it was “thought-provoking, unconventional, uncomfortable, shocking, abstract, pessimistic, distorted, cynical, enigmatic, disorderly, freakish.” And for a man whose towering fits of rage are the stuff of legend, the most spectacular exhibitions of anger were provoked by “modern art”.
    In 1937, the Fuehrer was the master of ceremonies at the public opening of the House of German Art, one of the very first cultural projects commissioned by him after his accession to power. Hitler delivered the keynote address, and both its tenor and his manner of delivery left his audience in no doubt as to the depth of his dislike for modern art. Raul Rave, the then-acting director of the Berlin National Gallery, was present for Hitler’s address. He observed that “his manner of speaking became… agitated, to a degree that had never been heard even in a political tirade….he foamed with rage as though out of his mind, his mouth slavering, so that even his entourage stared at him in horror.”

    Ironically, however, the dictator was very slow to move against the object of his wrath. In 1933, he sacked the director of the Kronprinzen-Palais, a branch of the National Gallery, and ordered all modern art to be removed from display—but preserved where the public could not see them, rather than destroyed. Nevertheless, the museum continued to discretely exhibit modernist work, and to pursue the acquisition of further such works. Hitler even visited the display a year later, and though he winced at their appearance, he said and did nothing about them. And in 1935, he visited Dresden and toured a local exhibit entitled “Images of Decadence in Art”. According to Spotts, “he found the show such an exemplary display of Modernist horrors that he ordered it to tour the country.” Two years later, Hitler finally ordered the removal of all modernist works from museums in Germany.
    Frederick Spotts’ Hitler and the Power of Aesthetics is a tour de force in both conception and execution. My recollection is that Hitler considered himself to be, above all other things, an artist. Hitler and the Power of Aesthetics makes clear that the Fuehrer never made a more accurate statement in his life. ”

    https://www.axishistory.com/list-all-categories/54-books/books-reviews/9433-review-hitler-and-the-power-of-aesthetics

    • Replies: @mcohen
  33. @Alexandros

    Stieff on the Western front, among others, deliberately botched the response to the Normandy landings, the location of which Hitler personally had pin pointed with accuracy. Stieff thought he was doing it for Jahwe.

    Interesting. Citation?

  34. anon[120] • Disclaimer says:
    @Alexandros

    Halder neglected to fortify the weak flank at Stalingrad despite orders from Hitler to do so

    Halder was removed as OKH chief of staff already in late September 1942, almost two months before the encirclement of 6th army, so your claim doesn’t make much sense just because of basic chronology.

  35. @peterAUS

    IIRC, William Shirer, in The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, said that at one point Hitler was trying to direct eastern front Army operations down to the regimental level. Seems incredible, but perhaps he was attempting it.

  36. peterAUS says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Probably.

    Once, he did, I think, postpone a counterattack in Anzio until a (showcase/training I remember…) regiment from Germany arrived and participated in the effort.

    Probably plenty of similar cases during the war.

    There was something deeply flawed with that approach to high-level leadership, and, more importantly, with the regime which couldn’t prevent that (save those failed assassination attempts).

    On a simple personal level, something is really out of whack when a high-level leader/commander gets interested in micromanaging ways below his level. More often than not it’s a sign of incompetence for the job. In this case, I think it was simply escapism. Inability to face the harsh reality.
    That’s about the man.

    As for the regime/system:
    Even the greatest men fail, in time. It’s inevitable. To have a 20th-century regime that can’t take that into account tells something about it.
    Well, to some, anyway.

  37. @anon

    I think Hitler’s most significant contribution was the fact that his invasion of the Soviet Union actually dealt it a mortal blow n thus saved Europe. It took decades for the SU to finally die, but psychologically it never recovered, it never regained the supreme even arrogant confidence that it possessed in 1941 when Stalin was poised to invade n occupy Europe. He shattered Communism. Quite an accomplishment for a homeless uneducated vagrant.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Wally
  38. @Colin Wright

    I wonder what exactly were his military awards?

    • Replies: @PeterMX
  39. @Rich

    the problem is that Hitler understood how short Germany was of resources especially fuel. Victory at Stalingrad was the last throw of the dice to knock out the Soviets.

    But, I agree a mid November withdrawal would have saved 200K men and 1,000 aircraft that were lost in the failed resupply effort. But just as the Japanese knew in 1941-42 that overwhelming US would soon be over the horizon, so too did H understand that his odds were worsening almost every day due to logistics and the lack of oil and aviation fuel.
    Even without defeat at Midway, Japan was destined to lose the war. Even with a mostly intact 200K man 6th army withdrawan in mid November, Germany was destined to lose

  40. Ghali says:

    Compared with Fascists today ((Netanyahu, Modi, etc.), Hitler was a cultured and educated military man.

    EA plethora of credible evidence shows that Hitler was deceived and used by the Anglo-American gang to destroy Russia and Europe in order to advacce Anglo-American interests ((Zionist interests).

  41. Seraphim says:
    @Kratoklastes

    Perhaps more attention should be payed to Dr. Theodor Morell, the “half(?)-Jewish” personal physician of Hitler until his very last days. One may surmise that he had more influence on him than the phantomatic Thule Society, Dietrich Eckhart, Rudolf von Sebottendorf, and that his sustained administration of methamphetamine and opioids had a much more powerful effect on him than the supposed occult Thulean inspirations.
    He looked (and notoriously smelled) like the typical ‘stinky Jew’ of the ‘Der Stürmer’ caricatures, which did not prevent Hitler to recommend his services to other Nazi officials, including Himmler and Göring (who dismissed him as a quack, Himmler even becoming suspicious, secretly ordering a test of the pills and finding out that they contained methamphetamine). Although Morell was the closest person to Hitler until the last day, he was immediately released after capture by the Americans.

    • Replies: @the grand wazoo
    , @Wally
  42. Seraphim says:
    @Sin City Milla

    He might have saved Russia from Communism, but hardly Europe from it.

  43. mcohen says:
    @Matty

    Hitler was efemenenate due to having only one testicle.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/19/hitler-really-did-have-only-one-testicle-german-researcher-claims

    In fact it is well known that he was gay.The whole uniform thing being a globohomo giveaway.Degenerate as german art from the 1930’s

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_art

  44. @Rich

    ‘… I wonder if this might be the reason for his single-minded, self-destructive obsession with Stalingrad…’

    Note that Hitler was not alone in committing that mistake. Paulus, for one, aided and abetted it by eviscerating his units one after the other in an increasingly meaningless struggle to secure an ever-smaller expanse of rubble.

    Hitler tends to get tagged with sole responsibility for errors that were in fact team efforts and not given credit for decisions that were in fact the correct ones. In the first category we have Stalingrad and also, the Dunkirk halt order, which was in fact first issued by Rundstedt and only subsequently confirmed by Hitler. In the second, we have Hitler hearing about Manstein’s Sickelschnitt plan to overrun France and insisting it be adopted, his ‘stand fast’ order in the Winter of 1941, and his refusal to give the final go ahead for what would almost certainly have been a catastrophically unsuccessful assault on Malta in 1942.

    This isn’t to deny that he also made many mistakes and in fact suffered several fatal limitations as a generalissimo, but I’d argue he was clearly better than Stalin, who probably about doubled the Soviet death toll with his policies, and Churchill, who made a series of dubious and even outright idiotic decisions — perhaps most inarguably, sending an expeditionary force to Greece in 1941. Not only was it a bad move, but everyone told him at the time that it was a bad move. One could also add Norway, Mers-el-Kebir, and Syria to the list, the ghastly fiasco at Dieppe, and the whole ‘set Europe ablaze’ promotion of resistance activities nonsense — which at its worst degenerated into dropping supplies to the Germans at the behest of subverted resistance networks. These were all cases where Churchill decided to take a hand — and the results were uniformly disastrous.

    But the errors of commanders who lose are always magnified, while the most egregious idiocies are excused if you’ve got the big battalions and win in spite of virtually continuous blundering.

    • Agree: Rich
    • Replies: @Jon Halpenny
  45. anon[237] • Disclaimer says:
    @Kratoklastes

    The story would be the most ridiculous movie pitch of all time: a guy who didn’t finish school and who is living in homeless hostels in the early 1920s, and is imprisoned for fomenting a rebellion in 1926…

    Try reading the article?
    Hitler was down and out in Vienna in the pre-war period. He remained in the Army following the war.
    Clearly, he was a brilliant politician, and while he had the backing of Capital, he went from nowhere to absolute power in 10 years.
    Who else ever did that?

  46. Wally says:
    @Matty

    – Why your bizarre obsession with Hitler?

    – And do tell, what exactly have you studied concerning Hitler?
    Zionist propaganda designed to support the fake & impossible “holocaust” narrative?

    – Shall we talk about the unhinged Churchill & his alcoholism or lying FDR’s crude Communist authoritarianism and love of Stalin?

    “I cannot understand this squeamishness about the use of gas”
    “”I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes”
    – Winston Churchill, 1919

    recommended:
    Roosevelt Conspired to Start World War II in Europe: http://www.unz.com/article/roosevelt-conspired-to-start-world-war-ii-in-europe/
    Churchill’s ‘naughty document’ showing his plans to carve up Europe with Stalin after WW2: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=12437
    The Soviet Union Conspired [with FDR] to Foment World War II and Infiltrate the U.S. Government, By John Wear: https://codoh.com/library/document/6807/?lang=en

    • Replies: @Matty
  47. Wally says:
    @Sin City Milla

    Excellent point.

    “If the Waffen-SS had not existed, Europe would have been overrun entirely by the Soviets by 1944. They would have reached Paris long before the Americans. Waffen-SS heroism stopped the Soviet juggernaut at Moscow, Cherkov, Cherkassy and Tarnopol. The Soviets lost more than 12 months. Without SS resistance the Soviets would have been in Normandy before Eisenhower. The people showed deep gratitude to the young men who sacrificed their lives.[15]”

    The Soviet Union Conspired [with FDR] to Foment World War II and Infiltrate the U.S. Government, By John Wear https://codoh.com/library/document/6807/?lang=en

    recommended:
    Why Germany Attacked the Soviet Union, Hitler’s Declaration of War Against the USSR – Two Historic Documents, by Mark Weber: http://www.unz.com/article/why-germany-attacked-the-soviet-union/
    Operation Barbarossa Was A Preventive Attack: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=7999

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  48. PeterMX says:

    In June 1940, when Ghandi said those complimentary things about Hitler, that was the highpoint of the war for Germans and Germany. Defeating France, and both the French and British armies and throwing them into the sea (after both those countries declared war on Germany, making it a world war) was the most exciting time for Germans and a time for Great Britain to decide what to do next.

    David Irving says that Churchill contemplated accepting Hitler’s very generous offer of a peace agreement, where Hitler asked for nothing, other than be allowed to keep the lands stolen from Germany after WW I, which Germany had now reclaimed. Hitler wanted friendship and even an alliance with the British, who he correctly saw as closely related to Germans. The Saxons in “Anglo-Saxon” came from Germany and look at any diagram of the Indo-European languages (used to be shown at the back of dictionaries) shows that English is a Germanic language, from the “old German” branch, with Smith and Miller being the two most popular names in England and Schmidt and Muller being the two most popular names in Germany. David Irving says Churchill ultimately decided against peace and decided to try to pull the USA into the war on his side. He decided against peace because Churchill did not have a towering reputation then. He was known for two major failures, including being in charge of the disastrous attack on Gallipoli against the Turks in WW I, in which Turkey repelled the British. Churchill was afraid a truce with Germany would leave his reputation as that of a loser. He was Prime Minister at the time of the Battle of France. At the same time, he had to know that a second major war between Germany and England would be disastrous for both countries. Churchill’s decision led to the bankruptcy of Great Britain, the destruction of the British Empire and making that superpower into the minor state it is today, not to mention what he did to Germany and Europe. And almost no one in Britain even discusses this, and I think to make sure no one discusses it, the British media often acts like the war is still raging on, painting Hitler and Germans as the ultimate evil.

    Hitler arranged to have the same rail car pulled out in which the Germans signed the surrender documents at the end of WW I (in which everything was done to humiliate the Germans) so that now the French would surrender in the same railcar. Germany exploded with joy at their victory.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
    , @Republic
  49. Tom Welsh says:
    @Alexandros

    That’s odd, Alexandros. My reaction to the article was one of gratitude for a far more objective, sympathetic, revealing account than the orthodox histories give.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  50. PeterMX says:
    @Sin City Milla

    Two Iron Crosses, first and second class, received as a soldier in WW I.

  51. neutral says:
    @Matty

    Not buying this at all, you don’t become head of state by being autistic or being in the “autistic range”.

  52. Seraphim says:
    @Alexandros

    Nothing new about that. We know even their names and biographies: General Rudolf von Gersdorff (intelligence liaison with the Abwehr for Army Group Center), General Fritz Thiele (Chief of the office of communications at OKW)*, Christian Schneider (chemist with IGFarben, Party member, honorary Standartenführer, Hauptabwehrbeauftragter (head of security officers) for “Liaison Office W” (or Wehrmacht at IG Farben’s headquarters in Berlin – acquitted on all counts of ‘war crimes’ at Nurnberg Trials), Rudolf Roessler, Sandor Rado. The informations transmitted to Rudolf Roessler about Operation Barbarossa, contained the complete order of battle including codenames, individual battalions down to the soldier, precise times and directions of attack, senior officers down the corps commanders, and the intention of each individual attack.
    *both implicated in the plot of Colonel Klaus von Stauffenberg. Thiele was executed, Gersdorff escaped undetected (he organized on his own a plot to assassinate Hitler in 1943).

  53. neutral says:
    @Brown boi

    Imagine if Hitler won, an India ruled by a Sarvakar or Bose. There would be no liberal champions such as Gandhi, no partition and Pakistan.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Brown Boiii
  54. @Alexandros

    I believe it was Hitler himself who ordered Manstein to take his 11th Army to Leningrad in the late summer of 1942. This army could have acted as a reserve along the Don river. Also, Hitler ordered some of his best panzer divisions to France in the summer of 1942. These divisions were in France when Stalingrad was surrounded.

  55. @Guillaume Durocher

    What is your frame of reference if you ask if the Reich could be better administered?
    The reference certainly can’t be corrupt corporation Weimar, and also it successor FRG nowadays.

    To understand the general mood and mindset of Germans during the Weimar disaster, you should read Oswald Spengler “Der Neubau des Deutschen Reiches”. The attempted violent takeover of Bavaria and the Soviet Bavaraian Republic also plays a huge role in all of it.

    https://sites.google.com/site/luloplandchangtrucas/neubau-des-deutschen-reiches-pdf

    Spengler openly calls a spade a spade, noting Weimar is a corrupt corporation.
    From this angle, Weimar was never willing to tackle the Versailles dictate, which was enforced into the mason coup d’etat “Weimar constitution” of 1919. The German military and conservative circles during Weimar would have never conceded West Prussia like Hitler did, the “corridor” was also not politically possible during Weimar.
    The conspirators of 1919 tellingly met in the Circus Busch, to establish a circus.

  56. Hitler was hundred times more emotional than any woman.
    He was able to transmit his emotion to masses. He was a very prolific reader, and so Main Kampf did reflect is literary skills.
    Hitler did love to wear black pants with grey jackets.
    Many years after war some man still kept this style dress.

  57. @Alexandros

    I have to agree. This article’s title alone had my stomach turning. Say whatever you want about Hitler, but he was a real man; of a species wholly removed and utterly unlike today’s NEETs, incels, weebs, aspies, soyboys, and other such internet-addled creatures.

    It seems that the author as of late has developed a taste for the lamentable modern trend of pathologizing genius and normality; of cutting great men and their achievements down to puny soyboy size.

  58. @houston 1992

    Even without defeat at Midway, Japan was destined to lose the war.

    Japan never intended to “win” any war with the US. Its intention was to fight cruelly against the US, to exact as much pain upon it as possible in order to compel its adversary to negotiate for peace. Essentially, what Japan wanted was for the US to understand that East and Southeast Asia were Japan’s concern alone à la Monroe Doctrine.

    Had they won Midway, the plan afterwards was to temporarily invade and occupy Hawaii. Despite nationalist resentment over the annexation of a territory that they felt was rightfully Japanese (prior to annexation, the Hawaiian royal family had approached the Meiji Emperor with a proposal for intermarriage and political union), imperial authorities had instead decided to use it as a bargaining chip for peace. An outline for the return of Hawaii to the US had already been drawn up by the time of the Battle of Midway.

  59. @mcohen

    Your perverted fantasy disgusts me. What in the hell is the matter with you (((people)))?

  60. @Colin Wright

    Actually what happened was that the art school thought his architectural paintings to be rather good, and offered him a place for that.

    However he was not eligible for this as he had purposefully flunked his school exams to spite his father who was forcing him into a rather full career in the civil service. Of course Adolf’s father died while he was fairly young so in the end even if he had done well in his exams (which he surely had the ability to) he would have been free to choose his own career without his father interfering.

    Anyhow, he still would have joined the army and Germany would still have lost the war, so I really I think nothing much would have changed in regards to the rise of the NSDAP.

  61. gotmituns says:

    Hitler’s “sin” was taking Germany off the gold standard and making it a success by 1935-36 while the rest of the world was still mired in the depression, thus exposing the treachery of the Jewish bankers. Here in America, Huey Long (Long was shot and killed) and Fr. Coughlin were saying these things and a lot of people were listening. Plus, the New Deal had mostly failed. So WW2 had to happen.

    • Agree: jsigur
  62. @anon

    Was it really primarily an excessive reaction to early globalization, and to the universalist challenge of Bolshevism (as Hitler himself tried to claim in his last speech from 30 January 1945, basically justifying his actions by the claim that the bourgeois age was over and that a militant counter-movement against Bolshevism had been necessary)? And if so, what does this mean for today’s nationalist right, faced with the dominance of an immigrationist ideology which in some ways is even more extreme than Bolshevism?

    Without a doubt, the right must carry out a concerted campaign to make the left own Hitler, whether they like it or not, whether they ever admit it or not. It must be made glaringly obvious to every non-leftist in this country that Hitler was unequivocally a globalist, and that his techniques of speech control and thought control via the SS were the model for antifa in particular and society in general. But let’s take these things one at a time, first things first…

    How perverse is it that one of the so-called lessons of WWII, what the left loves to hit us over the head with, was to demonize nationalism. It’s a deliberately perverse conclusion predicated on false premises, another postmodern inversion of the truth. Here’s the essential question: Hitler tried to conquer Europe, the Mideast, North Africa, and Russia, leaving most of the rest to Japan. Since Hitler tried to conquer half the globe, how does that imply any sense of nationalism, in which a culturally, ethnically distinct nation stays within its own borders and expects other nations to respect the same? Most Germanic peoples in Europe had already been consolidated PRIOR to Hitler’s invasion of other countries. Thus there was no reason for invasion except that Hitler didn’t respect national borders. The only possible conclusion is that Hitler was indeed a virulent form of globalist.

    Facts speak for themselves. True nationalists by definition respect borders. Hitler was a creature of the globalist left, not the right. Any other distorted explanation simply plays into the hyperbolic lies of the left. We will do whatever it takes to make the left own Hitler, and rub their noses in it good and hard.

    • Troll: NobodyKnowsImADog
    • Replies: @Alexandros
  63. jsigur says:

    “Anyway, all this to say that one needs balance in all things. One needs inspiration and perspiration: the steadiness to persevere, the boldness to break through, the moderation to not destroy oneself . . . and luck.”
    Actually, no, one needs, apparently, to avoid the wrath of the Jews
    Hitler did quite well in 30’s Germany without Jew help and his success was the reason that constant slander was exerted to convince the public that Hitler needed to be stopped. It is obvious by the adjectives and superlatives this writer uses that he is enforcing the MSM negative stereotype of Hitler.

  64. @Diversity Heretic

    Regardless of how competent Hitler was or was not, you cannot take Shirer seriously as a source. His book is full of distortion and lies, and based largely on false documents that were forged by the Soviets in 1945 and later.

  65. jsigur says:
    @anon

    the point is atrocities under Hitler were not Holocaust in scope and all the while, the allies committed way more (including bombing supply lines which would starve the labor camps therefore leaving the impression Germans were brutes with what was found at the end)
    I guess the real question is that if the atrocities are undeniable (as you claim), why can’t these facts stand up to a public challenge. The holocaust is the most censored topic in the world where many good men with valid arguments are hushed and then imprisoned or careers ruined.
    This censorship allows the Jewish world to claim a victim hood they don’t deserve while painting Germans as well as Europeans as barbarian brutes, actually something more easily laid at the Jews door if truth was a standard highly prized in the world today.

  66. @Matty

    SEE on youtube FALL BLAU 1942 – Examining the Disaster –

    We experience the age of debauchery, and those with a high worldview, so far removed from this promiscuous worldview, are classified by the Freudian canon and his gang who, fleeing Hitler’s erudite Germany, were supported in the US to canonize their lustful ideology.


    Nothing above has Germanic roots.

  67. jsigur says:
    @Colin Wright

    It’s’ pretty clear 90% of society is all about enforcing the “Hitler is evil” myth and no need to inquire further which for them, is necessary because of the results “inquiring further” would tally

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  68. eah says:
    @Matty

    social awkwardness

    I’ve not really seen Hitler described as ‘socially awkward’, also not in German texts — ? — I have seen him described as well-mannered, witty, even charming; able to participate intelligently in, even dominate, a conversation on just about any topic — at the same time he was aloof, with no real close friends, which is fairly understandable given his position — he preferred small groups.

    • Agree: Carolyn Yeager
  69. Suomynona says:
    @anon

    Agree with your post 100%. Europe and the US are currently reaping the result of Roosevelt’s failure to take General Patton’s advice: ally with Hitler and the Germans and together crush the Jewish Bolsheviks. Europe and the US are paying the price.

  70. @gotmituns

    Have you ever wondered how America became so powerful and prosperous AFTER the war? https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/09/germany-an-economy-for-the-people-instead-of-for-the-parasites/#comment-27682

    “A FRAUD does not become true through a wide dissemination nor the truth becomes fraud because nobody sees it.” M.K.Ghandi https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/05/sweden-local-activists-celebrate-adolf-hitlers-birth/#comment-27216

  71. @Matty

    Autistic spectrum, nah. Wigged out on amphetamines?–Now we might be getting closer to the truth.

  72. Matty says:
    @Wally

    You’ve misunderstood my comment and probably don’t know much about the gifts and strengths that autistic characteristics can bestow on a person. My observations were not intended as criticism of him but as a partial explanation for some of his gifts and abilities as well as his eccentricities and shortcomings.

  73. Matty says:
    @neutral

    I think perhaps you don’t know much about the autistic spectrum. Many business leaders, geniuses, political leaders, inventors etc most likely have some neurological capabilities outside the normal range and that will be reflected in their thinking and observable behavior.

  74. @anon

    Hitler was the only one to attempt to break his people out of “The Paradigm”. For better or worse.

    Force against you will be escalated proportionally to your threat level to the global elites. Against a Romney, you will be called a racist. Against Trump, the impeachment and Deep State comes out to remove him. For Hitler, he was crushed by a formidable military alliance.

    Yes, that is what happens when you make the ultimate attempt to break out of The Paradigm. The cultural and spiritual “left” is Satan.

  75. @PeterMX

    Churchill’s decision led to the bankruptcy of Great Britain, the destruction of the British Empire and making that superpower into the minor state it is today, not to mention what he did to Germany and Europe. And almost no one in Britain even discusses this, and I think to make sure no one discusses it, the British media often acts like the war is still raging on, painting Hitler and Germans as the ultimate evil.

    In fact, nearly every week at least one major UK TV channel carries some variation of shows about Nazi wonder weapons or Mega-structures, when they aren’t commemorating D-Day, the Battle of Britain, Dunkirk, Dambusters, etc.

    WW2 was Britain’s last hurrah, so they milk it for all it is worth.

    • Replies: @Rogue
  76. George Orwell and 1984: How Freedom Dies

    • Replies: @SonOfFrankenstein
  77. Realist says:
    @Matty

    The architectural style of his paintings, his obsession with Wagner, his love of order, system based thinking, social awkwardness, rocking back and forward, determination, loyalty and focus, a fussy eater, rigid black and white thinking, highly principled, rigid sense of morality and duty, the love of nature and traditional rural living over industrialized city life, the ranting monologues, intensive reading and researching etc etc.

    What you are saying is that people who are interested in architecture, set goals for themselves, conduct their life in an orderly manner, are determined to meet their goals, are loyal to their beliefs, highly principled, are moral, love nature, prefer the peace of the countryside and have a strong desire to gain knowledge are…autistic.

    What you are demonstrating is the uselessness of modern psychological or psychiatric assessment.

  78. @Diversity Heretic

    I’ve read a ton about his early years, because of course those are what formed him. He was, indeed, not a bad artist at all, and in fact made his living as one, living in an inexpensive room and doing his watercolors in the common room downstairs.

    Anton Kubizek’s memoir of his years with the young Hitler are online, and very interesting reading.

    • Agree: Matty
  79. @neutral

    Indeed. He had Hess, Roehm, Himmler, Goering, and many others, happy to take his place if he faltered in the delicate foilmanship of maintaining power without resorting to more than one “Night Of The Long Knives” and the first one was only somewhat excusable because Roehm and his bunch were “fruits”.

  80. Pheasant says:
    @Matty

    Hitler was a master manipulator with immense charisma as attested to even by his enemies. When was the last time you saw an autistic with those features?

    • Replies: @Thomasina
  81. Truth3 says:

    Adolf Hitler’s unique combination of energy, will, purpose, ideas, and perception made for a man capable of anything.

    His destruction via Jewish relentless propaganda ensures that no man will ever rise to his heights that shares his Jewish revulsion and awareness of nefariousness and evil.

    One man will never save us from the Jew. It’s been tried. The Jew is too powerful.

    What is needed is a ‘Spartacus’ type movement… where there is no one leader. When the Jew asks… “who is the leader of this movement?” then… All Men will arise, claiming…

    I AM UNZ!

    The Jew then will have to crucify them all along I-95.

  82. iffen says:

    Blondi is thinking, “Hmmm, I know where that wee-wee has been.”

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  83. “The slums, “said Hitler,” are responsible for nine-tenths, alcohol for one-tenth of all human depravity. No healthy man is a Marxian. Healthy men recognize the value of the personality. We fight against the forces of disaster and degeneration.”

    A.H. https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2007/sep/17/greatinterviews1

    “It is not the aim of Bolshevism, however, to free the peoples from the morbid, but on the contrary to eradicate the healthy, indeed the healthiest, and to put the most deceitful in its place.

    I can not pact with a world view that everywhere as the first act in their takeover not the liberation of the working people, but the liberation of concentrated in the prisons antisocial scum of people performs and then let go of these animals on the frightened and stunned contemporary world.

    Than “Because that is the difference between the Bolshevik and the National Socialist revolution: the one transformed blooming countries into gruesome ruins fields, and the other a ruined and destitute empire again in a healthy state and a thriving economy. ” ”

    Source A.H. https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/deutsch/archiv/parteitag1936/pt193612.html

    Why Germany Attacked the Soviet Union http://www.unz.com/article/why-germany-attacked-the-soviet-union/

    https://scontent.fcgh12-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53681344_2359308830748753_4473471999452119040_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ohc=UsCy8W-Bw3cAQkEfDXpfmypDmiG8AvL-A0XUYNJdyUzMC05l8ihPn5XWg&_nc_ht=scontent.fcgh12-1.fna&oh=b897a3062423431a4dd9727345e4e6d1&oe=5E3F0597

    Miserable through unemployment or miserable despite being employed
    https://nationalvanguard.org/2019/09/germany-an-economy-for-the-people-instead-of-for-the-parasites/#comment-27682

  84. iffen says:
    @peterAUS

    Mine: a CUSTOMIZED version of Nationa Socialism sounds good, in my book.
    The key is that “customized”; what to embrace and what to reject/discard.

    Description of the key for you Peter:

    Figure out a way whereby when a half-assed informed person hears the words, national socialism, 99.9 out of a hundred don’t think of Nazism.

  85. Vojkan says:
    @Matty

    Mein Kampf doesn’t look to me at all as the work of an autist. Too passionate and scarcely methodical. Angry rants and veganism are not enough to put him in the same category as Greta Thunberg.

  86. Vojkan says:
    @Realist

    My impression too when I read the post.

  87. Bookish1 says:

    All great prophets are misunderstood for many years after their death. Their followers are persecuted and rejected by mainstream society. It took over a century after the death of jesus before people started to recognize his prophet status. It seems that Hitler has the makings of a prophet since he had the answer to eradicating this evil global system that is in control of our world today.

    • Replies: @Alexandros
  88. Vojkan says:
    @neutral

    Not in Hitler’s time, true. Today, anything’s possible. I mean, Hillary Clinton almost got elected president. That said, people often commit the error of judging historical events and people through a contemporary lens without fully apprehending the context that surrounded them.

  89. Emslander says:

    In the second book of Mein Kompf, Hitler discusses his philosophy of management in the nationalist state. He said that a person ought to be given a position of responsibility with full powers to act in pursuance of its goals and then be held fully to account for the results. He thought that any cooperative or collaborative system left no one at all in charge. With no one fully responsible nothing would be done. That might explain his behavior better than all the psychoanalysis in the world.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  90. Poco says:
    @mcohen

    Just a couple of weeks ago I would have replied to your comment with a statement like, “if he was missing a testicle it was probably because some zionist sucked on it too hard.” Not because of any need to defend Hitler, but because of the disgust with which I view unrelenting zionist propaganda and smear campaigns. I have pledged to myself to attempt to refrain from replies like that in the future. No matter how angry and disgusted I become at the gaslighting. And at perverse zionist psycho-sexual manifestations like your comment.

    • Replies: @Vojkan
  91. Pheasant says:
    @Realist

    ‘people who are interested in architecture, set goals for themselves, conduct their life in an orderly manner, are determined to meet their goals, are loyal to their beliefs, highly principled, are moral, love nature, prefer the peace of the countryside and have a strong desire to gain knowledge are…autistic.’

    Sounds like the european petit bourgeoise generally. A traditional hate entity of the jews generally.

    • Replies: @Realist
  92. Matty says:
    @Realist

    “What you are saying is that people who are interested in architecture, set goals for themselves, conduct their life in an orderly manner, are determined to meet their goals, are loyal to their beliefs, highly principled, are moral, love nature, prefer the peace of the countryside and have a strong desire to gain knowledge are…autistic.
    What you are demonstrating is the uselessness of modern psychological or psychiatric assessment.”

    That’s certainly a valid point of view although it’s not my opinion. Without a very detailed understanding of autism and it’s diagnosis, none of what I’ve suggested will make much sense. However for anyone with a detailed understanding of that diagnosis, there is sufficient unbiased information about Hitler’s thinking, behavior, strengths and weaknesses, eccentricities, mannerisms etc, (particularly during the period before he became famous) which could reasonably lead a person to speculate that in today’s terms, he might well be considered to have been mildly autistic.

    And I mean that in a vaguely complimentary sense. He had some unusual gifts beyond what the average man possesses.

    There are dozens of other characteristics which I have not mentioned. Those were just a few ideas off the top of my head. I recall reading that he could draw architectural sketches of a certain Cathedral from memory. He was supposedly one of the world’s leading experts on Wagner. Pacing up and down. Ranting endlessly. Much of what lead me to this conclusion comes from August Kubizek’s book about the years Hitler spent in Vienna.

    • Replies: @Realist
  93. Vojkan says:
    @Poco

    By dint of ceaseless, relentless zionist propaganda, one eventually gets tempted to think that nazis weren’t such bad folks. Which indeed they were.

  94. @mcohen

    Oh my @mcohen, you didn’t get the memo: Bashing Hitler as gay was the old story when gay was a shameful slur in America and became the major American propaganda story about him.

    I am sure you have never read any of Hitler’s contemporaries’ writings or interviews that reveals that Hitler was incredibly turned on by women, and had a penchant for girls in their late teens. There are known accounts of Hitler’s huge teen crush on Stefanie Rabatsch per Kubizek, his cruising artists’ studios oogling and chatting up female nude models in the 1920’s with Emil Maurice and/or Hermann Esser per Esser and Maurice.

    Then, there are the accounts by those in the Hitler inner circle of his romances with Ada Klein, Jenny Haug, Melly Abel, Suzi Liptauer, Emmi Marre, Eleanor Bauer (Schwester Pia – claimed baby with AH), Lotte Bechstein, Helene Bechstein, Winifred Wagner, Mimi Reiter, Henrietta Hoffmann, Geli Raubal, Magda Quandt Goebbels, Lotte Mueller, Marlene Weinrich, Eva Braun, Gretl Slezak, Lola Epp, Gerda Daranowsky (“Dara”) Christian (“once” according to Dara to Lawrence O’Donnell), Annie Winter (per Julius Streicher), Magda Schneider (per her daughter Romy), Sigrid von Laffert and Unity Mitford. Some of these women were mere pursuits, but it is well known he slept with over a dozen on this list and that does not count the one night stands in Hermann Esser’s anecdotes. Then there is Heinz Linge’s account of Hitler and Eva Braun living as man and wife and being “especially active” sexually during a period of time when Linge came to be Hitler’s valet. Indeed, Linge who lived a mere 35 feet from Hitler and Braun’s quarters came upon them inconveniently at least three times, one reported as “in the heat of passion” in Hitler’s bed in Berlin.

    As to the one ball trope: just take a look at the troves of photos that show Hitler to be Herr Hung, not to mention the video clips showing his crown jewels bouncing off his upper mid thigh. He has a full set, believe me.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Vojkan
  95. @Matty

    Your autistic spectrum theory is very interesting. By that account, we are all autistic. The “rocking back and forward” you refer to is undoubtedly from a video where Hitler is nervously rocking back and forth at the 1936 summer Olympics – he was merely on the edge of his seat anxiously hoping the German athlete would win. Hitler looked just as anxious as the other officials in the stands near him who were all cheering on the athletes. There is an accelerated version on YouTube which makes the rocking look crazy, but that’s not real.

    The only other “rocking back and forward” is where Hitler is filmed by Eva Braun while Hitler is standing on the Berghof terrace idly gazing at the scenery of the valley below and the Untersberg mountain. It’s a gently rocking up and down on his toes, a totally innocuous scene of a man looking over his property at a gorgeous view probably humming a Wagner tune.

  96. @Just passing through

    ‘Anyhow, he still would have joined the army and Germany would still have lost the war, so I really I think nothing much would have changed in regards to the rise of the NSDAP.

    You overlook the impact of Hitler’s years of homelessness on his psyche and outlook; also, it would have been the Austro-Hungarian army Hitler would have served in, not the German.

    The effect on his ideological development would have been different. Finally, Hitler would have returned to a place — if an insecure one — in the world of Viennese theater. His trajectory as ideological officer, orator, and finally professional politician could have happened — but hardly would have been laid out for him.

    It’s going to be a different Hitler in a different place in a different country; it’s improbable everything’s going to be just the same.

  97. @Winnetou1889

    ‘Oh my @mcohen, you didn’t get the memo: Bashing Hitler as gay was the old story when gay was a shameful slur in America and became the major American propaganda story about him…’

    Definitely. The Hitler always commits the sins of our time, not those of the past. It’s one of his most essential properties.

  98. @anon

    given his extreme amorality and the mass murders carried out by his followers (the “revisionism” promoted on Unz review is a dead end in this regard, the crimes are undeniable),

    I believe there’s a huge question mark concerning ‘Hitler’s’ undeniable crimes. Take away the now proven fakery of the holocaust, and what crimes are left? Let’s assume for sake of arguement that Hitler ordered the unnamed crimes you speak of. Can we compare any of them to the Hiroshima Nagasaki bombing, the fire bombing of all of Germany and Japan, the USA Phoenix program in Vietnam, Palestine, and so many more? No the UNZ review is not dead in this regard, as this awakening does not belong solely to Mr. Unz. Revisionism is a smoldering mass that at some point will erupt in a manner that will challenge even … “his extreme amorality”.

  99. Mulegino1 says:

    Who at this late date in history can claim, with a straight face, that Hitler was not preponderantly in the right?

    • Replies: @mcohen
  100. Vojkan says:
    @Winnetou1889

    Oversexed Hitler vs autistic Hitler. Well, the former seems more plausible to me than the latter. But it doesn’t fit the zionist narrative. Of which we know by now that it is overloaded with bs.

    • Replies: @Winnetou1889
  101. Franz says:

    Historical match: Adolf Hitler, Alexander the Great.

    Both were Wizards Who Worked at Night. Both had odd personal habits based on early life oddities: Hitler’s Vienna starving artist period, Alexander’s dysfunctional family and probable weird tutorship by the strange “philosopher” Aristotle.

    Effectiveness of both not negotiable. Alexander remains one of the finest field commanders in history and Hitler’s conquest of most of Western Europe remains unmatched.

    Alexander had troubles with the more staid Greeks who were not at all accustomed to the Macedonian custom of drinking all night. Alexander and his marshals kept to it, hashing out strategy. And sleeping it off all day after the strategy was agreed upon.

    Hitler had troubles with old guard Prussian General Staff drones, who kept banker’s hours and expected him to do the same.

    Conclusion: Hitler/Alexander had essentially the same problem: Their backgrounds required a separate structure to operate. Had Hitler appointed a military staff to cross feed his input to the field with area commanders having some say in matters, it might have gone differently. Even so, Alexander DID have such a system and he faced mutiny anyway.

    Peter Green’s old but readable Concise Biography of Alexander of Macedon remains the gold standard for the man’s good points and possible blind spots. Read side by side with whatever Hitler biography you consider best and you’ll see some fine and obvious parallels.

    • Replies: @PetrOldSack
  102. @Alexandros

    Very much true. If one visits Guggenheim, it would not take much to differentiate between true Hitler art and the sham art of modernism associated with the stalwart supporters of the New World Order such as the late David Rockefeller. As for Picasso, his paintings speak a thousand words about the debauchery of modern art.

    • Replies: @anon
  103. @Dutch Boy

    The fact that Germany did not start full war mobilization until 1943 reveals the defects of Hitler’s management style.

    Or could it be that Hitler never wanted war, and hoped to sue for peace as late as 1943. If true it was surely a fatal error, as his enemy was as unsatiable then as today.

    So much hate and distortion has been heaped on Hitler, the opposite must be true.

  104. Rogue says:
    @The Alarmist

    Yes, this is quite true.

    I lived in the UK for many years and the pseudo-religious way in which they treat all things WW2 – with regard to their own role in it – is thoroughly manifest.

  105. eah says:
    @anon

    (the “revisionism” promoted on Unz review is a dead end in this regard, the crimes are undeniable)

    Exactly which crimes are “undeniable”? — I’ll assume by “undeniable” you mean sufficiently proven, meaning eg to the beyond a reasonable doubt standard used in adversarial court proceedings — if not, then explain what you mean by “undeniable”.

  106. David says:

    Off topic, the strikes and protests in France today appear to be very white. 15 minutes or so watching the stream on RT, I haven’t seen a single colored person. Mr Durocher, why are only white people involved in this?

  107. @Matty

    ” All in todays terms would be considered autistic characteristics.”

    Today’s psychiatric terms are all nonsense, though. Any psychological analysis of a person long dead is bound to be skewed by the fact that the person himself isn’t available for interview and close observation.

  108. @Seraphim

    Dr. Theodor Morell, the “half(?)-Jewish” personal physician of Hitler

    is now a pathologist doing autopsies for the Clinton cabal.

  109. @Alexandros

    Highlighting treasonous sabotage is a very valid point. Apparently not only German Zionist Jews disliked National Socialism but many among the elites never stomached the principle of national brotherhood within the Volk. Richard Tudor’s “ Hitler’s Revolution” gives interesting highlights about the treason of the upper German classes.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
  110. aandrews says:
    @Matty

    “…the love of nature and traditional rural living over industrialized city life….”

    That’s an indicator for high-functioning autism?!

  111. Fox says:
    @Matty

    Isn’t everyone on the (or an?) autistic spectrum? Your list of characteristics of autismophoric personalities includes everyone with dedication, interest, fascination, self-discipline, self-awareness and character, food preferences, hence everyone I can think of to a larger or smaller degree. Also, what is gained with your insight about Hitler? Does that invalidate his desire to undo the criminal Dictate of Versailles as his major motivation?

    • Agree: Realist
  112. Realist says:
    @Pheasant

    If you are trying to quote me accurately…you failed…you missed the just of my comment.

  113. Rich says:
    @houston 1992

    With an intact 6th army, the Germans may have been able to hold off any Soviet advance for long enough for their missile and atomic bomb development to succeed. This would have ended the war in favor of the Germans. The English would have sued for peace rather than see their nation destroyed, the Americans would still have succeeded in the East, resulting in a long term Cold War between the US and Germany instead of the Soviet Union. That’s one scenario anyway.

  114. Realist says:
    @Matty

    I stand by my analysis.

  115. Realist says:

    Should read…missed the jest of…

  116. anonymous[367] • Disclaimer says:

    That’s one fugly mofer in a rather suave well-tailored, if somewhat crumpled, suit.

  117. Madcap Laughs [AKA "NeetO"] says:

    The Western democracy of today is the forerunner of Marxism which without it would not be thinkable. It provides this world plague with the culture in which its germs can spread.

    -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

  118. @Joe Levantine

    You got something factually wrong here.

    Apparently not only German Zionist Jews disliked National Socialism

    The zionist Jews were cooperating with National Socialists, it was the communist Jews who hated and still hate it, because National Socialism was a reaction to the threat of jewish communism.

    Please realize, the vast majority of European Jews at that time were communist.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  119. peterAUS says:
    @Emslander

    ….a person ought to be given a position of responsibility with full powers to act in pursuance of its goals and then be held fully to account for the results

    Sounds reasonable. Any serious organization does the same, as military, merchant navy, even medicine in most cases, etc. Navy in particular; “master” as title.

    So, not quite sure about this:

    ….That might explain his behavior better than all the psychoanalysis in the world.

    Or, in plain language, he was NOT held fully responsible for the (lack of) results. In fact, he amassed more and more power in his hands (at the ludicrous level as pointed several times in this thread already) and kept blaming his subordinates.

    Or, he was a great man until he made his first mistake. From then on………
    So, then, maybe, just maybe, he was not that great in the first place.

    They had to have a provision put in place to take into account the fallibility of a man. Any man.
    They didn’t.
    So, there was something wrong with the system in the first place.
    That Fuhrer principle/whatever just wasn’t good. Well, in my book anyway. I know, who cares. That “Messiah” thing appears to run DEEP inside almost all of us.

  120. @Vojkan

    I dunno, 23 or so love interests over the lifetime of a charismatic man who was considered attractive until about the age of 52 doesn’t sound “oversexed”.

  121. Thomasina says:
    @Pheasant

    He certainly was a master, but was he really a “manipulator”?

    Superb athletes with vision, who are able to toy with seasoned defenders and still put the ball in the net, are they manipulators, or do they just “see” what others don’t? How about our most beloved composers who move people to tears? Manipulators of musical notes, or just rare masters? Same with our greatest writers or artists.

    Hitler was probably not autistic, but he did resemble someone with high-functioning autism in that he was extremely focused and pointed.

    I see him more as others have – a genius.

  122. Tom67 says:

    Dear author
    I believe you got Hitler. It is exactly my impression of him as well. But you are wrong thinking that he was the only dictator of his time being a NEET (Not in [formal] Education, Employment, or Training)
    In fact that description fits Stalin to a T as well. Also Stalin never went to bed before 4 AM and he was also very interested in the arts. (Not in the visual ones but literature)

  123. gT says:

    What, the need for inspiration and perspiration in men’s careers???

    That is old fashioned, limited thinking, the main purpose of life is to make lots of money, for yourself and your loved ones, for your associates in your associations, so that you can pursue any agenda you choose. The safest way into money is via the circle of wealth route.

    You get 2 circles, the circle of wealth and the circle of poverty. The first step on the circle of wealth is an education, because people with education earn more than those without. Then you will be wealthier and healthier, your children will be educated and able to earn more, trust funds can get established so the younger generation doesn’t stuff up, businesses get opened, etc, etc. Its a multi-generational effort, more leisure time gets accrued for thinking about easier ways to get more money while living off interest and investments. But then you must have a purpose, an agenda, something unifying; like a cause, like an enemy – else the kids will just commit suicide since they want for nothing and will see no purpose in life.

    A profession is also about barriers to entry, not just anyone must be able to pursue that profession. A bank has the most barriers to entry, try open your own bank and you will find out. Next is the various STEM professions like medical doctors and engineers, then lawyers and accountants, etc. Any idiot can become a brick layer, it doesn’t matter if he is a good brick layer or not, he is just a brick layer. Anyone from say, Mexico, can come and take his job for cheaper.

    The circle of poverty is of course no or little education, earning a little, bad health, living hand to mouth, kids can’t get educated, low paying jobs – “Anybody who needs to work for a living is little better than a slave” – Aristotle (I think). You need luck to get out of the circle of poverty, in some countries higher education is free, as is health care. But then only a certain kind of individual can manage to take advantage of that and study and complete a degree and keep down a job. Similarly, only a certain kind of individual is able to take advantage of a windfall of some capital, most will just blow it.

    Associations help also, you can usually achieve more as a gang than as an individual. So Muslims have their mosques where they organize, Jews have their synagogues, Indians chatter non-stop to each other and so find out where the opportunities are, etc, etc. Westerners will usually only have their immediate families, if at all that. Your associates in your associations get you the better job, the promotion in your job, etc, etc.

    Hitler was just an idiot who got lucky. How many rappers are out there who got lucky? How many guitarists? How many drummers? How many sportsmen are out there who got lucky? How many artists? Very few. You make your own luck starting with an education.

  124. Poor says:
    @Rich

    The Nazis were never going to build an atomic bomb in time to use it against any of their opponents and certainly not before the summer of 1945. The Americans had already landed in North Africa by November 1942, what makes you think it would have been even remotely possible for the western Allies to sit at the table with Hitler or any other Nazi by that point?

    One more army at the Wehrmacht’s disposal might have slowed the Soviet advance by a few weeks (or a couple months at most). Every sane German knew by the end of 1942 that the war was lost. Now go back to reading!

    • Replies: @Rich
  125. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    That is from Hermann Giesler’s book. He was Hitler’s personal architect. The book is in German, but Carolyn Yeager has made an abridged version in english, mostly dealing with Hitler’s art interest, politics and military affairs. The books are called “Ein Anderer Hitler” and “The Artist Within the Warlord”.

    Helmuth Stieff was a devout Christian, and it’s only my speculation he tried to sabotage Hitler for Jahwe. When awaiting execution by the German Government, after his part in the July 20 plot, he wrote to his wife:

    The sentence is just. I had no right to interfere with God’s creation.

    My guess is he initially thought he was doing “the Lord’s work”, but when Hitler miraculously survived the assassination, he realized the Lord’s work was right there in Germany.

  126. stevecel says:

    The great European conquerors always seem to end up losing – Alexander, Napoleon, then Hitler. They had something to learn from the Asiatic conquerors like Genghis and Timur who consolidated their gains on the mortal plane with massive genetic contributions which still persist. Europeans seek the end of history. The Asiatic is firmly grounded.

  127. Matty says:

    Of course no one can make a clinical and accurate diagnosis of any possible psychological or neuro-developmental condition Hitler may or may not have had. It’s just speculation. That said, the problems I have in explaining why I’d put a fairly large sum of money on him meeting diagnostic criteria for mild but clinically significant autism, is that to explain how I arrived at that conclusion, anyone interested would have to spend a few years studying the clinical presentation of that condition and have a fair amount of experience in observing and diagnosing people ‘in the field’ and I would have to remember everything I have read about Hitler over the past 10 years which is strongly suggestive of that condition. Unfortunately I can’t recall everything off the top of my head, but as mentioned previously, many of my observations, (and I’ve read dozens if not hundreds of things which are strongly suggestive) are taken from accounts of his life prior to him becoming famous.

    Personally I don’t have the slightest interest in his military decisions. I do find his personality/ psychology and worldview, particularly with regards to culture and art etc interesting.

    On a different but related topic, I think a very disproportionate number of men on ‘the far right’ (for want of a better term), have autistic characteristics and I mean that in the very most complimentary sense. They value facts and evidence, reason and logic over and above emotion which drives much of the feminsed left. See ‘the extreme male brain’ and ‘the systemizing / empathizing’ theories of autism for further information.

  128. @Rich

    I concede that you may be correct. Even just 40,000 of them scattered along Normandy would have changed the result on D-Day.

    • Agree: Rich
  129. eah says:
    @Rich

    … and atomic bomb development to succeed.

    There was no significant effort by the Germans to develop an atomic bomb — they never had a working reactor (to produce plutonium), nor a facility to separate isotopes of uranium to obtain U235 — given the size and scope of the Manhattan Project, which simultaneously developed controlled fission nuclear reactors, a huge gaseous diffusion plant to obtain U235 (Iran is reportedly using centrifuges, which is also possible), as well as carried out research into workable bomb designs for both identified fissionable materials (plutonium and U235), it’s very doubtful the Germans ever had the resources for an undertaking like that.

    • Replies: @Rich
  130. anon[144] • Disclaimer says:
    @Joe Levantine

    Guggenheim

    Sam Untermeyer’s law partner (and relative, if I’m not mistaken).

    Guggenheims cornered the market on copper
    Untermeyer’s forebears made at least some of their fortune as purveyors of goods to both the Union and Confederates (Untermeyers were from Lynchburg, VA, where it’s possible he met up w/ Cyrus Scofield).

  131. @Monotonous Languor

    Well, at least you have touched up the usual script.

    Without a doubt the right should. After all, the right today is led by Jews. The easiest way to spot a faux right winger is to gauge his attitude toward Adolf Hitler. Ben Shapiro and Milo -fake greek last name- are his leaders and Israel is the model state. The most common talking point is that Hitler was a leftist and a war monger, and that’s why you should go with based Jews instead. Could you make it more obvious if you tried?

    • Replies: @Monotonous Languor
  132. @Franz

    Marvelous take on the thread.

  133. @anon

    “Instead we get “Hitler was a NEET and an artist”. Lame, but I guess one can’t expect more. Unz review has one of the best commenting systems on the net, pity the contributors are mostly cranks and idiots.”

    And yet here you are, commenting on the offering of “cranks and idiots.”

    It’s not one of Durocher’s most interesting pieces, but at least focus on the point he is making rather than on why he didn’t talk about what you wanted him to talk about.

    He concludes his article with this:

    “Anyway, all this to say that one needs balance in all things. One needs inspiration and perspiration: the steadiness to persevere, the boldness to break through, the moderation to not destroy oneself . . . and luck.”

    Durocher, in my view, is saying that whatever you think of Hitler, his leadership lacked balance and he was unable to put in the hard organizational work and careful strategic calculus to make his vision–or some elements of it–a long-term reality. De Gaulle is a world leader who, in Durocher’s estimation, managed to balance “inspiration” and “perspiration” and build something that has endured up to the present day (though the current health of the Fifth Republic is obviously in significant uncertainty.)

    It’s not an earth-shattering claim, but it makes intuitive. The only mystery here is why a rather sensible piece leaves you spluttering about “cranks and idiots.”

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  134. The Nazi Party was a religion. Hitler was its messianic figure. That’s why the whole damn thing is so fascinatin’.

    • Replies: @mcohen
  135. ia says:
    @Alexandros

    The books are called “Ein Anderer Hitler” and “The Artist Within the Warlord”.

    I bought this book and had some reservations.

    There’s no mention of the 16,000 modernist works of art removed from German museums.

    There’s no mention of Entartete Kunst exhibitions and the Nazi-sponsored nationalist/European art counter-exhibitions.

    In fact, did the authors even mention that Adolf Hitler was an artist?

    I was really hoping for some insight about these topics but this book only recapped plots against Hitler by disgruntled senior officers. Nothing about cultural or racial nationalists vs. the post-WWI modernist, globalist zeitgeist.

    • Replies: @Matty
    , @Carolyn Yeager
  136. Rich says:
    @Poor

    If the Nazis had managed to survive Stalingrad with the 6th intact, would the Soviets have been able to advance at all? The Germans were winning everywhere on the Eastern Front before Stalingrad. The loss at Stalingrad was the reason many Germans, both the sane and insane, thought the war was lost. And the fight went on anyway, didn’t it? How many Allies died in the war after 42? Quite a few, I believe. And 1945 wouldn’t have been the key year if the Germans had been able to delay. With an extra year, they may have completed their bomb, and history might have been different. Of course, if my Aunt had balls she’d be my Uncle, right?

    Now, I will return to my reading.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  137. The half naked fakir admired the incontinent tyrant but how did the latter feel the about the former?

  138. @iffen

    The obsessive crotch sniffing is why I’m a cat fancier. I think most doggy-lovers enjoy the crotch-sniffing.

  139. @Bookish1

    Adolf Hitler was indeed a prophet and will likely suffer the fate he so dreaded, becoming a God.

    National Socialist Congress 1937

    On the day when Hitler made his grand triumphal promenade at Nuremberg, I happened to be in a open car with the most important French and English guests, only a few meters behind the dictator’s car …. We could thus observe him from very close up and also especially the crowds cheering him from both sides of the road.

    The procession, triumphal in the true sense of the word, took more than an 1 hour to make its way through the old town. The impression produced by these masses of people cheering Hitler as though in ecstasy was extraordinarily powerful. Once again I noted with what an expression of devotion, with what biblical trust, the people gazed on Hitler, seeming to be under a magic spell. The thousands and thousands of spectators all along the route were as though seized by a collective rapture at the sight of him. They held out their arms and saluted him with rousing shouts. Moving along for an hour in the middle of this frenzied outburst was a real physical ordeal, which left us exhausted at the end of the trip. All power of moral resistance seemed paralyzed; we almost had the feeling of l1aving to restrain ourselves to keep from joining in with the general ecstasy …. I could see that the English and the French often had tears in their eyes from the effects of the inner emotions caused by all they were seeing and hearing. Even journalists as blasè as Jules Sauerwein of Le Matin and Ward Price of The Daily Mail, who were in my car, were literally groggy when we arrived at the end of the route.

    The American journalist Richard Hehns, special envoy of the United Press, who managed to get to the Nuremberg palace, where Hitler was receiving his guests at the end of the festivities, would make this droll comment: “When I got there myself, I was suffering from megalomania. I decided that I must be nine feet tall even though the cheers had not been addressed to me.”

    From Leon Degrelle’s “Hitler – Democrat”.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Bookish1
  140. @Guillaume Durocher

    “Sounds plausible!”

    So does this: Hitler was a golem created by a self-hating rabbi.

  141. Republic says:
    @PeterMX

    David Irving says that Churchill contemplated accepting Hitler’s very generous offer of a peace agreement, where Hitler asked for nothing, other than be allowed to keep the lands stolen from Germany after WW I, which Germany had now reclaimed. Hitler wanted friendship and even an alliance with the British,

    In July 1940 Hitler made a speech entitled, The last appeal for reason

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/TwE8KpRana2k/

    • Agree: Matty
    • Replies: @utu
  142. peterAUS says:
    @Oscar Peterson

    ….whatever you think of Hitler, his leadership lacked balance and he was unable to put in the hard organizational work and careful strategic calculus to make his vision–or some elements of it–a long-term reality.

    Yep.
    Balance in particular.

    But, then again, as the comment .137 also hints at, how to balance a Messiah?

    Feels as a conundrum.

    And, “cranks and idiots” or not, this pub is the last place, IMHO, to resolve it.
    Maybe, in time, somewhere else.

  143. Rich says:
    @eah

    I don’t know if it’s “very doubtful”, but you may be correct. Or those who say the Germans were very close may be right. My point is that if they were able to save the 6th, and were able to build a bomb, things might have turned out differently. If they hadn’t been able to develop the bomb, they would have been forced to surrender to the Americans, who did develop one, whether or not the 6th survived Stalingrad. In the end, the bomb would have won the war in Europe as it did in Asia.

  144. peterAUS says:
    @Alexandros

    Adolf Hitler was indeed a prophet and will likely suffer the fate he so dreaded, becoming a God.

    Becom……

    That “cranks and idiots” feels much better now.

  145. How many crows to speed the dying lion…To quote the execrable (but great wordsmith) Churchill…There is no such thing as history only biography.Hitler’s 2 crimes were, trying to bell the ( Kosher) cat and losing a war.

  146. Matty says:

    Adolf Hitler’s only boyhood friend, August Kubizek, recalled Hitler as a shy, reticent young man, yet he was able to burst into hysterical fits of anger towards those who disagreed with him. The two became inseparable during these early years and Kubizek turned out to be a patient listener.

    Kubizek, then sixteen, first met Adolf Hitler, fifteen, late in 1904 when both were competing for standing room at the opera. He was a good audience for Hitler, who often rambled for hours about his hopes and dreams. Sometimes Hitler even gave speeches complete with wild hand gestures to his audience of one. Hitler would only tolerate approval from his friend and could not stand to be corrected, a personality trait he had shown in high school and as a younger boy as well.

    Kubizek later recalled his friend this way:
    “There he stood, this pallid, skinny youth, with the first dark brown showing on his upper lip, in his shabby pepper-and-salt suit, threadbare at the elbows and collar, with his eyes glued to some architectural detail, analyzing the style, criticizing or praising the work, disapproving of the material – all this with such thoughtfulness and such expert knowledge as though he were the builder and would have to pay for every shortcoming out of his own pocket.”

    Then one day in 1905 the pair went to see a performance of Wagner’s Rienzi at the Linz Memorial Theater. This became a decisive event for the teenaged Hitler, as he was to refer to it after he came to power. In Kubizek’s biography of Hitler The Young Hitler I Knew, 1953, he recalls how it had a terrifying impact upon Hitler, who left the theater in a state of trance:
    “Adolf stood in front of me; and now he gripped both my hands and held them tight. He had never made such a gesture before. I felt from the grasp of his hands how deeply moved he was. His eyes were feverish with excitement .. Never before and never again have I heard Adolf Hitler speak as he did in that hour, as we stood there alone under the stars, as though we were the only creatures in the world. He now spoke of a mission that he was one day to receive from our people, in order to guide them out of slavery, to the heights of freedom ..”

  147. mcohen says:
    @Mulegino1

    Only you poephol,and only on unz ,where the likes of you are encouraged to do so.That should make you wonder.Keep it up.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  148. Wally says:
    @Seraphim

    – What proof is there that Morell was “half Jewish”?

    – As for drugs being used during the war, the question seems to be; Who didn’t use drugs?
    The fact of the matter is that drugs were commonplace during the war.

    – Then we had booze maniac Churchill, yes, alcohol is a strong drug.
    – We had FDR using various ‘mood changing’ drugs for his polio.

    recommended:
    Meth-fueled German & Allied soldiers : https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=11759
    Was Hitler addicted to meth or other drugs?: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=11052

    • Replies: @Seraphim
    , @Seraphim
  149. @Onebornfree

    Both this comment and the article is the usual drivel.
    Hitler was the greatest man of the 20th century.
    He created an alternative to both Capitalism and Communism.
    There has been no one so inspired since.
    One day his principles will be applied by the whole world and people will wonder why it took so long for people to realise that National Socialism was so reviled by ignorant people such as those that comment here.

    • Replies: @eah
  150. mcohen says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    The nazi party and hitler were evil and got what they deserved.I heard that russian troops settled many a score after the war.including small units of jewish soldiers who hunted down ex ss soldiers.

    Revisionism is a game theory on unz.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Oscar Peterson
    , @Wally
  151. Johan says:
    @Realist

    ‘modern psychological or psychiatric assessment’ is like astrology, there is always some hit by means of using a list of generalities. Then people (feel the need to)believe that the diagnosis is tailored to them.

    • Agree: Realist
  152. Johan says:

    ‘ “”I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes”
    – Winston Churchill, 1919 ‘

    Poisoned gas huh, never imagined anyone wanting to poison gas..

    https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-160/leading-myths-churchill-advocated-the-first-use-of-lethal-gas/

  153. Durruti says:
    @peterAUS

    Good systems have to have some provisions to address that. Nazi regime didn’t.

    Nicely parsed train of thought comment.

    I’ll take a Republic over any Dictatorship.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  154. eah says:
    @Ted Heath PM

    One day his principles will be applied by the whole world …

    For a while now, the ‘Dissident Right’ has been advocating ‘National Socialist’ type economic policies as an alternative to rapacious neo-liberal capitalism — but I’m not sure that will work in the long run for the US, because it is no longer a (mostly) racially homogeneous nation; there is no longer even a super majority of Whites — what you’ll get is Whites and Asians heavily subsidizing a significantly under-performing rabble of Hispanics and Blacks — that does not sound stable to me; more authoritarianism than anyone would like would be necessary to hold that together — people are simply naturally less willing to subsidize others whom they do not see as part of their extended racial/ethnic family, especially when it’s so disproportionate.

    • Agree: Matty
  155. Rich says:
    @mcohen

    These Russian “heroes”, with the permission of their commanding officers, gave their troops the permission to rape every female from 8 to 80. There was a rape frenzy in Eastern Germany and that alone condemns the Soviets. The barbarity of their crimes against innocent civilians, girls and old women, is a permanent blemish on the Red Army. Those good, brave Russians who tried to prevent the rapes, were arrested.

    Even if you despise the Nazi ideology, you can’t justify these actions, nor the giant prison camp the Soviet Union became under the communists. How many priests murdered? Citizens sent to the Gulag? Innocents deprived of their property? The Nazis were pikers compared to the Reds.

  156. Giwu-Ger says:

    I find it fascinating that so much fuss is made about Hitler’s lifestyle white Stalin and Churchill had very similar working hours. Late to rise, late to bed.
    And no wakey!
    Probably for the best in Stalin’s case, as they would have been able to help him with his fatal stroke.

  157. Johan says:

    People are always amazed when they learn that Hitler could paint, loved animals and nature, etc.
    They should read Oscar Wilde’s Dorian Gray, or the non fictional account Pen, Pencil and Poison, depicting psychopath killers who where highly cultured and refined. Why should a psychopath by rough like a dockworker? Besides, Hitler was a mediocre talent, there are millions of people who can paint like him.
    Psychopaths can demonstrate apparant love for animals and humans too, that is, as long as they receive the admiration which they think they are entitled too. As soon as the demanded admiration is gone though, you better run for your life. Loads of people are misguided by this false ‘love’.

    Hitler was a very mediocre individual, though with a crude one track and fanatical mind, the barbarism of Nazism is evident in the crude militarism, even Goebbels (the most intelligent of the bunch of psychopaths) did not like the Riefenstahl type of propaganda (they where Hitlers taste), and he was right. All of it is characterized by uniformism, robot like stuff, the crude militarism, dumb crowd behavior, crowd hysteria. The architectural taste, trying to mimick the Ancient Greeks was also a crude mimicking, copies by barbarians. Full of crude militarist and uniformist splendor..

    Hitler can only be the hero of mediocre minds, crude rigid blockheads, no matter the outward appearance, and the mediocre slavish mind’s utopia is hell on earth. A highly refined psychopath cannot exert such influence, because he makes no appeal to the masses of mediocres, as such, psychopaths with mediocre minds are the most dangerous, they can inspire millions of related slavish mediocres.

  158. @Matty

    ‘his love of order, system based thinking…’

    I picked up the opposite from this article.

    • Replies: @iffen
  159. peterAUS says:
    @Durruti

    I’ll take a Republic over any Dictatorship.

    And, yet
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucius_Quinctius_Cincinnatus

    Or, better, what system could produce characters as the Roman above? Today?!?
    Oh my.

    Hitler did step in, with some great ideas, when Germany was in crisis. And held there…………and held…and held……

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Durruti
  160. iffen says:
    @Irish Savant

    I picked up the opposite from this article.

    Well, why don’t you and Matty just go ahead and expound on “systems based thinking” vis-a-vis Hitler.

  161. @Johan

    The one mistake Hitler made was not winning the war and us having to deal with Kikes like you.

  162. Mulegino1 says:
    @mcohen

    Only you poephol,and only on unz ,where the likes of you are encouraged to do so.That should make you wonder.Keep it up.

    Poephol?

    I think your answer indicates that your reading comprehension is abysmally low.

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  163. iffen says:
    @Johan

    People are always amazed when they learn that Hitler could paint, loved animals and nature, etc.

    No they’re not. It’s just you.

  164. @Johan

    You are a race of parasites, calling everything mediocre which you can’t understand it was so right about what he said and we’re paying for it now and people like you sit there and condemn him while we literally have child drag queens we literally have faggots in the streets everywhere literally have total degeneracy and Jewish domination just so you people can tell us that Hitler was mediocre and that Nazism was barbarism the only thing that was barbaric was the Jewish Soviet murder of millions of white ukrainians . The one thing we can learn form the hero that is Adolf Hitler is that Once you go againist the Kikes theres no way out but to win. Hitler lost. The next one will win and that will be the end of this type of bullshit we hear from filthy rats like you

    • Troll: Matty
  165. @peterAUS

    Hitler did step in, with some great ideas, when Germany was in crisis. And held there…………and held…and held…

    What do you expect?
    He led a starving country, bled dry, with hyperinflation, sanctioned, with mass unemployment to a first class country even post war partitioned Germany in ruins profited from.
    Affordable housing, with electricity and water toilet was at that time unmatched, the beginning of tourism has its roots in the KdF program, VW is a success story etc

    The problem was, there were greedy bankers that had been shut out from this prosperity, and they started a war Hitler had to fight.

    Fun fact, Hitler said to his valet that he wished to dissolve the NSDAP after the war. The interview with Karl Wilhelm Krause still exists. Hitler knew political parties attract tons of spineless creatures who serve any power.

  166. @Wally

    Idiocy. The Waffen-SS was not a noticeably more powerful military force until is was II SS Panzer Corps at Kursk in 1943.

    Up to that point it fought as regiments as divisions piecemeal, integrated into Wehrmacht corps and armies on the Eastern front.

    2nd Das Reich was basically annihilated and reconstituted about 5 times in the course of the war.

    The best troops were all killed in 1941.

    • Replies: @Wally
  167. nymom says:

    Minor point: I think that dog might have been photo shopped into the picture as Hitler’s dog was a Weimaraner, not a German Shepherd…

    My older brother was a World War II buff so I was subjected to various media covering different aspects of the World at War where I picked up this little factoid.

    Not sure why someone would have wished to mess with the picture in this way however…maybe psychological…

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  168. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    You call most contributors on Unz “cranks and idiots”. Is this because they don’t measure up to your highly refined intellect Dr. or is it you simply want them out of your sandbox because they don’t always agree with your highly-tuned reasoning? I would suggest you start your own website where you can comment on things and you can be the only commentator. Your own personal heaven.

    • Agree: Matty
  169. peterAUS says:
    @nymom

    I think that dog might have been photo shopped into the picture as Hitler’s dog was a Weimaraner, not a German Shepherd…

    Hmm………

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blondi
    5 seconds to find the page.

    …maybe psychological…

    Yep.

    • Replies: @nymom
  170. mcohen says:

    There is a lot of sourkraut out and about.fake nazi’s all worshipping there one testicle king

    The beauty of it all- from the ashes of germany arose the kingdom of israel

    Long live israel.heil heil heil.

    Lol

  171. @eah

    Hitler hated phoniness, and most social gatherings at his level, especially among the British and French (Italians too), were made up of phonies. Guillaume Durocher is a French phony himself, who has no insight into Hitler and doesn’t like Hitler. He likes to write about him though.

    For example, Durocher recommends Brigitte Hamann’s book “Hitler’s Vienna” as excellent! Come on. The more one reads books like this about Hitler, the less well he will know him.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Johnny Rico
  172. Durruti says:
    @peterAUS

    Or, better, what system could produce characters as the Roman above? Today?!?
    Oh my.

    Good thought.

    However, as an Anarchist, I — Respect All! Bow to None!

    A Republic allows for a separation of Powers, whereupon all Citizens have a say. Depending on the set up of the Republic, some citizens have more influence than others; but all have value, from the blue haired old Lady, to the 18 year-old Recruit into the Army.

    Occasionally, a Totalitarian Government might produce a great figure, but it is more likely to produce more Tyrants.

    You are aware that Mussolini & Hitler both declared war on the USA when it was not necessary for them to do so?

    By December 12, 1941, when Hitler declared war on the USA:

    Hitler’s German Army had lost the war – in front of Moscow. It was in front of Moscow, in the Winter of 1942-43, that Germany lost the war. After the defeat at Moscow, Germany had lost the ability to attack along the entire front line. This led to the desperate lunge by the German Army on -only- the southern portion of their front the next summer – which placed their Army in a pointy salient at Stalingrad, that was ripe – to be cut off & surrounded, (and annihilated).

    Mussolini’s Italy had failed to defeat a nation of 8 million (Greece), suffered huge losses in North Africa, but, nevertheless, declared war on the most powerful nation on the planet.

    Totalitarian Governments cannot understand criticism, and do not tolerate any. Therefore, they may not learn from their errors, Moral or Physical.

    All Republics are different & have varying degrees of democracy. They are like an Irish Stew. Some contain Lamb with potatoes, & some contain Chicken, with more onions; but all are nourishing.

    I recommend We Americans Restore Our Republic! And with that action, we will restore our Sovereignty, and our Honor.

    I put up our Christmas Tree today. It is beautiful and restores my faith in a brighter future for our Country and our World.

    Nice communicating with you and the other commenters, including Unz.

    Durruti – alias, Dr. Peter J. Antonsen

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Colin Wright
    , @Malla
  173. iffen says:
    @Carolyn Yeager

    most social gatherings at his level, especially among the British and French (Italians too), were made up of phonies.

    How often did he have social gatherings with the British and the French?

  174. Durruti says:

    Correction:

    In front of Moscow, in the Winter of 1941-42 that Germany lost the war..

  175. @mcohen

    “The nazi party and hitler were evil and got what they deserved.”

    Ironic how much Nazi ideology mirrors Jew Tanakh ideology–lebensraum, rationale for genocide (“Yaweh told us to kill them all and take their land”), very specifically defined enemies–Amalek, Haman and sons/followers.

    God certainly seems to have a wicked sense of humor, doesn’t He? When you look at the big picture, the “evil” of Hitler seems strangely fitting.

  176. @anon

    Halder was removed as OKH chief of staff already in late September 1942, almost two months before the encirclement of 6th army, so your claim doesn’t make much sense just because of basic chronology.

    Hitler’s order was before that, not after. See The Artist Within the Warlord, Chapter 7, pgs. 119 to 122. https://www.amazon.com/Artist-Within-Warlord-Adolf-Hitler/dp/0692179585?SubscriptionId=AKIAILSHYYTFIVPWUY6Q&tag=duckduckgo-ffab-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=0692179585

    Also available at other online sellers.

  177. Seraphim says:
    @Wally

    It was affirmed by ‘The Guardian’ of 22 May 1945 when Morell was in Allied custody:

    “Hitler had split personality. His doctor’s opinion”:
    “Hitler’s half-Jewish personal physician, Dr. Theodor Morell, said to-day that during the last days before the fall of Berlin Hitler feared that he would be drugged and carried away forcibly from the capital…”

    “The seizure of power by the Nazis in 1933 was unfavourable to Morell. His name shield was plastered with the word Jude (Jew). Presumably because of his Jewish patients or, as he argued later, because of his somewhat Jewish appearance, his practice went downhill. Morell drew his conclusion and joined the N.S.D.A.P., although he continued treating Jewish patients for at least five years” @https://www.tracesofwar.com/articles/4656/Morell-Theodor.htm.

    He was not the only Jewish doctor of Hitler. His family doctor in Linz was the Jew Eduard Bloch and Adolf held him in high respect, inquiring about Bloch’s well-being, calling him an “Edeljude”, protecting him after the Anschluss and facilitating his emigration to America. Bloch spoke favorably about Hitler: “Dr. Bloch, is an Edeljude – a noble Jew. If all Jews were like him, there would be no Jewish question. It was strange, and in a way flattering, that Adolf Hitler could see good in at least one member of my race… If my relations with the Gestapo were not precisely cordial, I at least didn’t suffer at their hands as did so many others. I was told on good authority, and I can well believe it, that the bureau in Linz had received special instructions from the chancellery in Berlin that I was to be accorded any reasonable favor.” (Eduard Bloch, ‘My Patient, Hitler’. A Memoir of Hitler’s Jewish Physician’ @http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n3p27_bloch.html

    Morel is a frequent Jewish name: Morel (Mor’el). The meaning of the name is “God’s (אל, el) myrty (מור, mor)” or “God is myrth”@http://hebrewname.org/alphabetical/M

    And it was his appearance and smell. Hitler’s entourage was complaining about the doctor’s crude table manners, poor hygiene and body odor, the classical stereotypes of the ‘dirty Jew’, ‘stinking Jew’, to which Hitler responded: “I do not employ him for his fragrance, but to look after my health”. Even his American interrogators were “disgusted” by his obesity and lack of hygiene.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Wally
  178. @Just passing through

    You are right about Hitler and the Vienna art acadamies – he was directed to the architectural school but didn’t have the right credits. And he had purposely failed his regular classes because he wanted to be an artist.

    I think another aspect of this is fate. It was previous to his time in Vienna that AH had that transformative experience on the Linz hilltop, in the presence of his friend August Kubizek, during which he experienced a powerful premonition that he would play an oversize role in the salvation of the German nation/people. I don’t find that surprising or fanciful.

  179. nymom says:
    @peterAUS

    I almost said the dog’s name was Blondi but I wasn’t sure I remembered it correctly…

    Hitler did eventually poison the dog and her puppies when he killed himself and Eva Braum as the Russians were closing in on his bunker.

    He thought the Russians might get her and torture her. I mean the dog, not Eva Braum.

    Actually Russians happen to like dogs as I know from another interesting dog in war story:

    As you probably know, the Czar of Russia and his whole family were murdered including a number of household servants who remained with the family throughout their capture and eventual murder. The only survivor was the Czar son’s cocker spaniel, whose name escapes me at the moment. The dog was taken in by one of the murderers. When the village or town where the murders happened was overrun a few weeks later by the Czar’s supporters, they found the dog and arrested the man who then told them the whole story of what happened to the Czar and his family.

    There should probably be some sort of historic book or something about all these dogs involved in these events.

    Back to Hitler, in spite of that Wikipedia article, I am still pretty sure that his dog was not a German Shepherd but a Weimaraner. I think she might have been one of the lighter colors of the breed, thus the Blondie name. William Wegman does a lot of art work with Weimaraners if you want to see some of the color variations…

    Anyhow, just another off topic factoid…strange why someone would misrepresent the dog he owned…

  180. peterAUS says:
    @Durruti

    A Republic allows for a separation of Powers, whereupon all Citizens have a say. Depending on the set up of the Republic, some citizens have more influence than others; but all have value, from the blue haired old Lady, to the 18 year-old Recruit into the Army.

    All have value?
    Now….there could be The Problem.

    Occasionally, a Totalitarian Government might produce a great figure, but it is more likely to produce more Tyrants.

    Yep.
    And, “Democratic” government is more likely to produce….well…look around you.

    Conundrum, a?

    Totalitarian Governments cannot understand criticism, and do not tolerate any. Therefore, they may not learn from their errors, Moral or Physical.

    That appears to be the case in this case (pun intended).

    Having said that you see these democracies/republics doing better in that regard since, say, the Fall of The Wall? Learning from mistakes?
    I don’t.

    I recommend We Americans Restore Our Republic!

    Well, perhaps a better idea would be to restore something similar but just a bit different this time?
    Different in a way to prevent coming, again, where we are now. “We” as those defined as “deplorables”, I mean.

    See, the man in the article didn’t, couldn’t, learn from his mistakes. Related system, apparently, the same.
    Maybe those seeking to restore the Republic could do better. You know, learn from mistakes, change something, do something differently. Stuff like that.
    True, we definitely won’t figure that in this online pub.

    Some much smarter people, hopefully, will do it somewhere else. Sooner than later.

    Not holding my breath, of course.

    • Replies: @Durruti
  181. @Durruti

    ‘…Totalitarian Governments cannot understand criticism, and do not tolerate any. Therefore, they may not learn from their errors, Moral or Physical.

    All Republics are different…’

    Lessee…we invaded Iraq, and are now working ourselves up to invading Iran.

    And it is your thesis that we learn from our mistakes.

    • Replies: @Durruti
  182. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I don’t think Stieff was ever on the Western front, nor was he involved with Normandy. If so, I completely missed it, and it’s not in my book.

  183. @anon

    ‘Halder was removed as OKH chief of staff already in late September 1942, almost two months before the encirclement of 6th army, so your claim doesn’t make much sense just because of basic chronology.’

    My recollection suggests you’re right. The problem with the flank at Stalingrad was that Paulus kept stripping it of intact formations as his attempts to finish off Soviet resistance continued — right up to the moment the Soviets counterattacked.

    Another problem was that — again because the frenzied attacks in the city had to continue — nothing was done about the remaining Soviet bridgeheads across the Don. Those bridgeheads, of course, made the Soviet counteroffensive possible.

    Finally, Von Richthofen flew over the Don just before the dam broke and warned Paulus et al about the Soviet buildup.

    The whole strategic conception that led to the Germans being at Stalingrad at all was flawed — but that was Hitler’s fault, not Halder’s. On the other hand, the immediate tactical vulnerabilities weren’t Halder’s fault either; they arose after he was relieved.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  184. Incitatus says:
    @Alexandros

    There is no evidence Generalmajor Helmuth Stieff inhibited the German reaction to Allied Norman invasions. Hitler, late sleeper labeled GOÖFAZ [“Größter Feldherr aller Zeiten” (‘Greatest Commander of All Time’) by his own cynical subjects 1945, did all of that.

    Meanwhile you omit (much more damning):

    “The extermination of entire races including women and children is only possible by a sub-humanity that no longer deserves the name German. I am ashamed to be a German! This minority [NSDAP], which besmirches the name of Germany through arson, murder and plunder, will be the undoing of the whole German nation, unless we can soon put a stop to their game. For such things, as they have been described and verified for me by the most informed parties, must summon forth avenging nemesis. Or else this riff-raff will one day do the same thing to us decent people, terrorizing their own nation with their pathological passions.”
    –Oberst (later Generalmajor) Hellmuth Stieff, Letter to Wife on events in Poland 21 Nov 1939 [Burleigh ‘The Third Reich’ p.437-38]

    Stieff was a decent, honest man with courage of convictions who risked his life under a totalitarian régime. He paid the full price for dissent in the murder of auslander (Poles, Jews, etc.). Stieff was executed by hanging 8 Aug 1944. Probably filmed for the Führer’s entertainment.

    Hermann Giesler? Sycophant and flatterer. Third rate architect, puerile philanderer.

    Alexandros? Tell us about that.

  185. Bookish1 says:
    @Alexandros

    True that Hitler would never have wanted to be known as a God or even a prophet. He once said bury me in a common grave. He just wanted to be one of the people. There was never any pretense or false fronts coming from him. He was the same to everyone. And I will note that Hitler was not an atheist as he believed in a higher order. He often spoke in his speeches of god almighty and gave many other references to a higher power. But it wasn’t necessarily christian as he was very critical of christianity. Hitlers religious beliefs are very complex and it is another area that can be discussed and debated to an indebth degree. In fact to really know Hitler his religious beliefs would have to be studied and known. It is a complex part of his personality that has to be considered.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  186. @Carolyn Yeager

    Why?

    Why, Carolyn? You don’t give even a hint of why what you said would be the case.

    You haven’t even read that book.

  187. Oscar says:
    @Alexandros

    I’ve never seen any of the body of artwork produced by others who were accepted by the art academy at the time Hitler was rejected. So I cannot compare. I have seen quite a few of Hitler’s pieces, and it may easily be he was just not post modern enough for the tastes of that day–many of his pieces are more than adequate in skillfully depicting traditional themes common people would like to have in their homes, even today. Obviously he declined to do impressionism, cubism, expressionism, dada, etc. If memory serves, Hitler also didn’t care much for painting or drawing people–he loved to dwell on architecture and folksy landscapes. I always thought he just couldn’t do portraits, but one painting he did of a woman I thought very good–it was a composition, not an actual portrait. I am an artist myself. I tend to agree with what Alexandros says, above me here in this thread.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
  188. @Tom Welsh

    My MISTAKE. I didn’t mean to agree with Tom Welsh, but with Alexandros. I don’t feel “grateful” just because there are far worse accounts of AH by orthodox historians.

  189. Oscar says:
    @peterAUS

    You mean like impeachment?

  190. @PeterMX

    I wonder how many Germans were more decorated?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @PeterMX
  191. @Colin Wright

    It was all shuffling chairs on the Titanic after October 1941. All of them knew the war was lost with no chance of victory when Stalin capitulate by the fall. Each of them is quoted as saying as much at one point or another.

    All of them. Hitler, Goebbels, Halder, Bock, Guderian. All of them. But they didn’t know what else to do.

    They had no tanks, no transport, they were frozen in place. They had nothing to attack with. Divisions were the size of companies covering 40 kilometres.

    But before 1943, the Red Army was so bad, all the Germans needed was a bunker, a couple MG-42s, and captured T-34 turrets to hold them off.

    As soon as Stalin replaced his tanks and started mounting Katyushas on American trucks the jig was up.

  192. Durruti says:
    @peterAUS

    Some much smarter people, hopefully, will do it somewhere else.

    Smarter than you & me? Now that’s unlikely.

    Restoring a Republic is a Revolutionary act. And, yes, a Revolution in America, in which we regain our Sovereignty & Honor, would be a wonderful thing.

    Freedom is not Free! It must be Paid for!

    *Work on that “bit different.” I would like to read that!

  193. @jsigur

    It is necessary that Hitler be evil, otherwise the unique in history Holocaust, the growing tax funded Holocaust museums, the historical innocence of Jews, their accepted ethnic monopoly of finance n media, the existence of Israel, the never ending reparations…all come tumbling down.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  194. @PeterMX

    Hitler was wounded three times during the course of World War I; the last time he was temporarily blinded as a result of a gas attack.

    • Replies: @turtle
  195. @Bookish1

    “To [not] be known as a God or even a prophet” and thinking and acting like or “as if” you are God are two different things. They are not mutually exclusive.

    You can be an atheist and believe in a “higher order” at the same time. A lot depends on your definitions. This can get complex.

    Hitler’s ideas on these subjects were not necessarily complex. In fact, I doubt they were, since there is little written or recorded of him discussing or meditating on these subjects. We don’t really know. Maybe he only considered them in relation to his quest for power.

    You should also consider that there was no part of his personality that was any more or less complex than any other human’s.

    He had a few stunning successes, but the end result makes it seem he wasn’t so bright.

    • Replies: @Bookish1
  196. @Seraphim

    ‘…His family doctor in Linz was the Jew Eduard Bloch and Adolf held him in high respect, inquiring about Bloch’s well-being, calling him an “Edeljude”, protecting him after the Anschluss and facilitating his emigration to America…’

    As I recall, for his part Bloch commented that he was struck by the strength of the bond between Hitler and his mother as she was dying of cancer — and he meant that in the best way possible. Bloch also refused to say anything negative about Hitler, in spite of the considerable encouragement he received to do so.

    …Hitler had a remarkable ability to elicit loyalty from those who knew him personally — even, in this case, a Jewish physician.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  197. utu says:
    @Republic

    “It is the Germany of social welfare, of social equality, of the elimination of class differences – that is what they hate!” – A. Hitler

    From https://www.bitchute.com/video/TwE8KpRana2k/

    Only the socio economic solutions of Hitler’s Germany are worth studying now as they could pose a real challenge to the current socio-econocmic world order but they are studied the least and are shied away even by neo-Nazis and Hitler fanboys (like Wally or Germanicus here at UR) because they identify with the right where they caught the toxic virus of libertarianism. W/o the concentration on the socio economic solutions of Hitler’s Germany all interests and preoccupation with Hitler, Nazis, WWII, III Reich and Holocaust amount to nothing more than barren onanism by basement dwelling incels.

    • Replies: @Anon
  198. @Sin City Milla

    ‘I wonder how many Germans were more decorated?’

    I suspect not many. As I understand it, it was extremely rare for the Iron Cross First Class to be awarded to private soldiers in the First World War.

    Hitler got the medal for volunteering to carry a message through an artillery barrage when the previous three runners had all been killed.

  199. Durruti says:
    @Colin Wright

    And it is your thesis that we learn from our mistakes.

    Thanks for your reply. I understand what you are saying, but it would be nice if you would read my comment – actually read it.

    I have repeatedly, on this Forum, pointed out, that Our Republic was destroyed, along with our last Constitutional President, John F. Kennedy, in a hail of bullets on November 22, 1963. We do not live in a Republic.

    We Americans are an occupied nation. We Americans are Slaves. We serve Foreign Financial Oligarchs, such as the Rothschilds, mostly Zionist Oligarchs, and some American hangers-on Oligarchs, such as the Rockefellers & Duponts. and others.

    The remnants of our Republic died with John F. Kennedy. And we died with him, although we did not know it then.

    Therefore one should not look at the sad history of Post Republic America, as if our unfortunate status as an occupied nation, with phony Political minions serving their Masters. (ever heard of AIPAC) is Our Martyred Republic.?

    You cannot judge a Republic by the deeds of an Occupied Nation. Republics exist only in Liberty.

    I know that History can be an unpleasant medicine, and I do my best not to hit my students head-on, with the full import of their sad Present, and difficult future.

    Do you recall NAFTA, or the Bailout? Those Acts were tools to loot our wealth & siphon it to the Jewish Oligarchs (a version of money laundering), and NAFTA was an Atomic Bomb that has destroyed the lives of Millions of our People, and destroyed whole cities. Detroit & Camden & a dozen other cities appear to have been bombed by atomic weapons, or Napalm.

    When these acts were passed (and then the Patriot Act), our Republic and our Sovereignty had been murdered. Then Congressman Ron Paul, Kucinich, and a few others, fought a rearguard delaying effort.

    A Republic Restored would be a lovely thing. Yes, it would, be different from those before, as We-The-People would have been transformed into Revolutionists, who had proved able to win the greatest prize of all, LIBERTY!

    Durruti

    • Agree: Republic
  200. @Sin City Milla

    ‘It is necessary that Hitler be evil, otherwise the unique in history Holocaust, the growing tax funded Holocaust museums, the historical innocence of Jews, their accepted ethnic monopoly of finance n media, the existence of Israel, the never ending reparations…all come tumbling down.’

    Perhaps the irony is that if it is accepted that Hitler wasn’t evil, a more useful lesson might be learned from it all.

    After all, what could we possibly learn about what we might do from what the bad man does? We’re not bad men.

  201. @Realist

    Thank you. This business about obsession with order being some kind of pathology is absurd. So I suppose most of us engineers are autistic.

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @Realist
  202. @ia

    The book The Artist Within the Warlord: an Adolf Hitler You’ve Never Known, clearly described as a translation from Hermann Giesler’s memoir, with added commentary, delivers what it promises. Nowhere does it promise to talk about German painting, or the actions taken to promote traditional art and discourage “modern” expressionistic art in the Third Reich. It is faithful to what Giesler wrote about architecture in connection with his friend Adolf Hitler in the last 125 pages of his memoir “Ein Anderer Hitler.” The title ‘Artist Within the Warlord’ was chosen by WLK and me to convey the sensitivity, humanity, and the undeniable artistic nature of Adolf Hitler that is documented throughout Giesler’s writing. Hermann Giesler was an international award-winning architect of great ability, although without the flamboyant ‘spectacularism’ of Albert Speer.

    There is a lot of new information in the book but you seem not to be astute enough to recognize it as such. You had a preconceived notion of what the book would be, so were disappointed. But Giesler’s intimate conversations with the Fuehrer, and their close connection artistically, makes the translation very valuable for English readers who are interested in experiencing a more intimate side of AH. You can read about the various art exhibitions in the Third Reich elsewhere, can’t you.

    In fact, did the authors even mention that Adolf Hitler was an artist?

    Absolutely, especially in the first and last chapters which were all about art, plus the Introduction with it’s section titled “Hitler the Artist.” I also encourage you to read the Preface.

    More from Giesler’s memoir that we did not put in the book can be read on my website for free here: https://carolynyeager.net/battle-architects. I think you would enjoy it.

  203. @Johnny Walker Read

    Excellent video. Thanks for posting this.

  204. Wally says:
    @Johan

    said:
    “the barbarism of Nazism is evident in the crude militarism”

    LOL
    Which is nothing but debunked Zionist propaganda.

    Put simply, there is Hitler & ‘the Nazis’ with the mythological & impossible ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ and there is Hitler & ‘the Nazis’ without the mythological & impossible ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’.

    Which one are you?

  205. @Oscar

    Alexandros is not right in suggesting Hitler was rejected because his work was not in the modern style. The academy’s were still quite traditional then. It was only because he didn’t have the required school courses for the Academy of Architecture, where they thought he fit best.

    I agree with you about what he was good at, and what not so much. But he had had no training at all so, as smart as he was, and dedicated, I’m sure he could have become proficient in the human figure. However, his love for structures and architecture revealed itself in his preference for buildings. And then let’s not forget, there was the fact of his destiny which would have been put in peril had he already become successful as an architect.

    I’d add, though, that Hitler was basically modest, like the architect Hermann Giesler, and lacked the flamboyance of an Albert Speer (or Arno Breker) that makes for a great art career.

  206. Wally says:
    @Johnny Rico

    LOL
    Tell that to all those they defeated.

    ‘Johnny Rico’, an indoctrinated Zionist who touts the impossible ‘Nazi gas chambers’ and claims there are millions upon millions of human remains in known locations, those alleged remains simply do not exist. Ah.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  207. turtle says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Not expert on military decorations, but I am guessing that
    Iron Cross 1st class
    Iron Cross 2nd class
    Wound Badge (x3)
    Would translate approximately to:
    Silver Star
    Bronze Star
    3(?) Purple Hearts
    in U.S. military
    So, A.H. had the chops as a decorated war veteran,
    which no doubt was extremely useful in his political career.
    He could (and did) say, “I was there, where were you?”
    Hermann Göring had an even more distinguished military record in WWI, as most here will know.
    AWOL from the Texas National Guard:

    doesn’t quite cut it, by comparison.

  208. @Alexandros

    You’re a drooling idiot, mindlessly accepting the shills that have been propped up by the oligarchs, parroting a pastiche of banal establishment drivel. The list of fake right clowns includes but is not limited to Shapiro, Prager, Spencer, Crowder, Kirk, Anglin, and everybody on the NYT’s approved ‘Intellectual Dark Web’. They provide the fake opposition against which you can successfully run through the usual leftist litany of gaslighting, strawmen, ad hominems, and general establishment lies.

    Either you’re a leftist troll, or else you’re one of their useful idiots who’ve swallowed the media categories hook, line, and sinker. No doubt you’ve been trained to regularly engage in a daily two-minute hate session during which you reflexively scream out ‘Hitler’, ‘nazi’, ‘racist’, ‘homophobe’ in a mindless rage, all at the behest of your globalist, corporatist, leftist, progressive handlers. Hell, that hardly even qualifies you as an NPC.

    The true right are not conservatives.
    The true right are not Republicans.
    The true right are not Nazi larpers.
    And the true right are not controlled opposition performance artists paid for, propped up, and advertised by the fake media and their masters.
    The true right are traditionalists, nationalists, and white culturalists.

    Your side is beginning to suspect what the true right actually consists of, what they actually believe in, and therefore what they are capable of, and it’s starting to scare the bejeezus out of you. What’s happening here is that you’re desperately trying to throw up a last-ditch defense against an enemy you’ve never encountered before, one that doesn’t just curl up automatically in a defensive posture and accept your premises and parameters of engagement. It’s an enemy that thinks outside the handy little sand box you’ve always expected your opposition to play in, that would otherwise automatically neuter itself as any kind of viable opposition.

    Sorry, but all that’s not going to work any more. We’re no longer brainwashed to roll over like meek puppies whenever you shout ‘racist’. Your side’s usual tactics are crumbling right before your eyes, and there’s not a damn thing you can do about it.

    Racism is good, hate is good, objective morality is good, judgment is good, white cultures are good, nationalism is good, national boundaries are good, Christianity is good, traditional values are good, Western Civilization is good… and without any possible doubt, Hitler was a damn globalist and a primary example of your side. Good luck with all that, chuck-0.

    • Replies: @Joe Levantine
  209. turtle says:
    @SonOfFrankenstein

    I suppose most of us engineers are autistic.

    no doubt. 🙂

  210. Fox says:
    @Johan

    For a, in your opinion, mediocre mind he certainly has had and has a remarkable impact upon the world. And the democratic systems which attest themselves enlightenment and love of freedom seem to be in constant emergency mode about keeping the subject H i t l e r a forbidden one. Every yokel with a name in Democracies has to make simpleton and self-dishonoring remarks about this remarkable Mediocrity, while holding a non-conformist opinion on him is becoming an easy way into ruination, prison, death – in the enlightened Democracies, that is.
    Why do you think again Hitler was unremarkable, mediocre and quite a zero?
    Is that absolute or in comparison with characters such as Churchill, Roosevelt, Benes, Beck, Chamberlain or Vansittart?

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Johan
  211. @Johan

    Paragraphs: 3
    Psychopath: 5
    Crude: 6
    Mediocre: 7

  212. @Germanicus

    Valid point. I have read about the terrorist ex prime minister of Israel Isaac Shamir wanting to cooperate with the Nazis during his youth. Churchill stated his preference to Jewish Zionism as opposed to Jewish communism. However, looking at how things move within the Jewish community, it strikes us hard that Jewish collectivism, an expression heralded by the dissident Jew Gilda Atzmon, overshadows any ideological difference between communist and Zionist Jews. Notwithstanding Zionist collaboration with National Socialism for the sake of sending German and other European Ashkenazy Jews to colonise Palestine, the cooperation was bound to end into outright hostility as the handlers of Zionists would have never accepted a rebel nation of Germany to survive and prosper against the will of the powers that be.

  213. @eah

    The mass murderer

    The leader of the Free World

    Time to ‘boycott’ Mercedes…

    • LOL: neutral
  214. @anon

    Agree with everything except for the timeline. When the USA sided with the Soviet Union, they had already:
    -Murdered 10 million Ukrainians
    -Tortured, raped and murdered thousands of priests and nuns
    -Destroyed and/or defiled thousands of churches, often turning them into brothels or lavatories
    -Repeated this sick show in Spain, even delaying the Sagrada Familia by 8 decades
    -Outlawed any criticism of Jews
    -Turned a nation of 145 million people into chattel slaves lower than the American negros had been, with no right to a family, property, or life
    -Set up a brutal regime of death by labor and exposure, the extent of which can likely never be fully determined
    -Funded international terrorist campaigns of bombings and assassinations designed to frighten the world into submission
    -Attempted to capture or muscle in on many neighboring countries and execute their leadership, using local Jews as target spotters
    -stripped bare it’s own people’s harvesting equipment in the face of the German advance, in effect turning it’s own starving people into hostages against the Wehrmacht

    But it had not yet raped Prussia.

  215. Seraphim says:
    @Colin Wright

    It is more telling about Hitler’s attitude towards Jews. His protection of Morel doesn’t fit squarely within his ‘burning’ hatred of Jews.

  216. @Mulegino1

    Poephol

    I thought how can ‘mcohen’ misspell the word ‘people‘ like that, so I tossed it into a translator and guess what…?

    It says ‘Afrikaans Detected’ and the word translates into ‘arsehole‘ in English.

    It looks like ‘our’ friendly ‘friend’ thought he’d found a clever way to insult you.

    • Replies: @Mulegino1
  217. @Fox

    Indeed, the hypocrisy is somewhat pathological, implanted madness.
    They are run by such criminals, yet they think they have the moral high ground.
    They can’t live without the obligatory daily 5minutes hate break on “nazi”, yet they tell researchers that they are obsessed, because the research has been criminalized.

    Total freak show tbh, the force that the Germans fought has long started to destroy the Allies by now, established a UN, EU, runs powerful mafia lobby groups, is into censorship, bribes and assassinates and imprisons opposition.

    • Replies: @Fox
  218. Johan says:
    @Fox

    Likes are attracted to like, to sweep the people you must be either a mediocre, or only show your mediocrity, or appeal to what lives among people (which is always the mediocre, what you have in common with them).
    So, indeed you can have a remarkable impact, because you can appeal to what is common. Additionally, he (they, the whole gang of Nazi bandits) used fear mongering to get into power, and to stay into power (which is about making an appeal to basic instincts), so yeah, a remarkable impact by means of canons, bombs and terror, bringing about fear and destruction.
    Churchill and Roosevelt where of a more refined quality, but they managed to appeal to a great number of people.
    Good heavens, see this brute shouting, the crude uniformism and demand for obeying, the tactics of fear mongering, the violence, from what hell hole caves are people crawling who admire this, what degenerate slaves.

    “Is that absolute or in comparison”
    There cannot be such a thing as an absolute mediocre.

    • Replies: @Fox
  219. Seraphim says:
    @Rich

    Now with sex-change operations it would be possible that your Aunt become your Uncle. And maybe to finally beat the Russians.

  220. Realist says:
    @SonOfFrankenstein

    From your name. I take it your a bio engineer.

    • Replies: @Realist
  221. Seraphim says:
    @Wally

    Not a very good comparison. Churchill consumed natural drugs: alcohol and tobacco, drugs that have a certain sacredness about them and he was a voracious eater of fine foods. Hitler consumed synthetic drugs, didn’t touch alcohol nor tobacco and was vegetarian. Who fared better? Churchill outlived all people who fought in his wars, that he won. And he was a painter too, and not a bad one! And writer. And he was a decadent aristocrat.

    • Replies: @Fox
  222. @Monotonous Languor

    [Racism is good, hate is good, objective morality is good, judgment is good, white cultures are good, nationalism is good, national boundaries are good, Christianity is good, traditional values are good, Western Civilization is good]

    Agree

    [and without any possible doubt, Hitler was a damn globalist and a primary example of your side. ]

    I cannot guess if your being factual or facetious. Hitler did speak of a new order and not if a New World Order. Check the link below for a revisionist point of view by the very respectable Paul Craig Roberts.

    https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2019/12/02/hitlers-war-crimes-vs-those-of-churchill-the-americans/

  223. Mulegino1 says:
    @Daniel Rich

    Thanks for that, and it makes perfect sense.

    So the misspelling was no Mccohencidence!

    • LOL: Daniel Rich
  224. Bookish1 says:
    @Johnny Rico

    Your attempts to bring Hitler down to the level of an ordinary man failed since he was one of the most extraordinary person in his.

    • Agree: Malla
    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  225. @Colin Wright

    “The ghastly fiasco at Dieppe”

    Strangely Dieppe may have helped win the war for the allies. The Germans became aware of the naval build-up for Dieppe and assumed a very large invasion was about to take place. Hitler decided to move some of his best panzer divisions to France as a precaution. Those divisions remained in France until the winter of 1942 by which time Stalingrad had become surrounded.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  226. Realist says:
    @Realist

    Should read; I take it you’re…

  227. @peterAUS

    Funny how so many here who’d swing a junkie from the nearest lamppost admire so much one of the greatest druggies. Methamphetamine was apparently also distributed widely in the German army, especially in the air force so that they could fly repeated sorties with little sleep. It was probably responsible for the effectiveness of the German soldier, a meth fuelled supersoldier. I’d rather go out on speed in a fight against a bunch of drunks if I had the choice, so no wonder each German was worth several others in battle. But over time it develops amphetamine psychosis, which can lead to insomnia, bad judgement, irrationality, emotional tantrums, hallucinations, delusions of grandeur, paranoia, etc. The early successes and subsequent disaster of Hitler and the Nazis may be partly ascribed to drug use although of course many other more important factors were at play.

    Hitler may have had Narcissistic Personality Disorder too, but don’t most politicians? Well no one is perfect; he had his moment in the sun.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  228. @Realist

    No, what he is demonstrating is the stupidity of internet commenters jumping to their favorite conclusions (pretty much like you are doing yourself.) No psychologist in his right mind would deem Hitler autistic. As you yourself pointed out none of those traits are unique to autists, and actually fit into a fairly well-defined personality profile.

    • Replies: @Realist
  229. Fox says:
    @Seraphim

    Since you refer to Churchill as a good painter, I have never seen one of his elaborations. I’d be curious to actually see one. Do you have any examples you could point me to? Hitler was a skillful painter, as his pictures attest to, but he also knew his limitations in this field. Music and architecture were two passions during his whole life. Churchill, on the other hand had no intellectual passions, neither did Roosevelt, and as far as Stalin goes, I do not know at all.
    Somewhere I read that Roosevelt also was painting, but I have never seen any of his pictures either. On the other hand, G.W.Bush has even a volume with his pictures “Portraits in Courage” in print, but I couldn’t say that what I saw there was pointing particularly into even the general direction of talent, even skill could only be judged on very shaky grounds.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Republic
    , @Seraphim
  230. Realist says:
    @threestars

    No, what he is demonstrating is the stupidity of internet commenters jumping to their favorite conclusions (pretty much like you are doing yourself.) No psychologist in his right mind would deem Hitler autistic.

    That is exactly what he is doing…perhaps you should learn how to read.

    Below is a quote from his comment #1

    I’ve studied as much as I can regarding characteristics and patterns of thinking and behaviour typically associated with what we call ‘the autistic spectrum’. I’ve also studied as much as I can regarding Hitler’s personality, behaviour, style of thinking etc. I’m fairly convinced that any psychological or psychiatric assessment of him today would put him firmly on the autistic spectrum.

  231. “I have not seen a good overall assessment of how Hitler’s erratic management style affected German government and the war effort.”

    Then have a look at Albert Speer’s Inside the Third Reich. Since Speer was the guy in charge of war production and a confidante of Hitler, no one else had a more inside view of how Hitler effed up his own cause.

  232. Fox says:
    @Johan

    I imagine that with your general attitude you always received excellent marks in school and are not un-noticed when a promotion is coming up, hence you are not mediocre, but rather belong to the elite. There you can mingle with other high-grade brainiacs, such as Merkel, G.W.Bush, B.Clinton, May, Macron, Stoltenberg, the various female Ministers of Defence in Europe, Juncker and soon with von der Leyen as new EU Commission President, etc. Your success is somehow predictable. Not that this would be different in any other system, but you choose your loyalties based on your character, ability to imagine the future and relationship to community.

    I should also tell that the violence you attribute to Hitler was a response to Bolshevik assault techniques, hence the SA was founded to keep them at bay.
    As far as the war goes, I’ll remind you that it was Britain, although recognizing the untenable situation on the German eastern border, refused to help bring about a solution to the problem mostly of Danzig and the Polish Corridor, and then declared war on Germany, together with France, over a purely German-Polish conflict.
    Although you will not be capable of weaving these facts into your world view, they exist nonetheless and are felt to be highly undesirable, as you can see in the their omission when the beginning of this world-wide conflict is accusatorily attributed to Hitler, instead of the the people who actually worked for and brought about armed conflict.
    That’s what the elites of today can come up with, screen out reality to create a make-belief world in which they are the king. Is that pathetic?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  233. Wally says:
    @Seraphim

    ‘Affirmed in a leftist / Zionist Guardian article’ which gives no source. LOL

    You’re just making it up as you go like the typical fake & impossible “holocaust” True Believer. LOL

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  234. Wally says:
    @mcohen

    Except they did not do what Zionists like yourself fantasize.

    Got proof for the impossible “holocaust” narrative? Nope.

  235. Fox says:
    @Germanicus

    It is astonishing with what violent tenacity factually wrong opinions are held onto. I am just thinking here of the beginning of the war in 1939, and how it came about, in the currently official version. The “creativity” of the left and of today’s academia is mostly founded on destruction. Don’t build up, but tear down! It’s pathetic.
    The result is increasing chaos and violation of any good sense. Hence the Migration and Refugee Ideology, Victimology, Antibiologism (the LGBTQ madness), all destructive, leaving open only a path to a sinister, unhappy future, thrive.
    Seventy years of distortion and destructive propaganda produce results, with the major effect that through a negative selection the “elites” become evermore idiotized, even if there are many highly intelligent members of that club. Intelligence without character, that is.

  236. utu says:
    @Fox

    They are pretty good.

    https://www.wikiart.org/en/winston-churchill

    He was that good that he did forgeries according to David Irving:

    http://www.fpp.co.uk/docs/Irving/RadDi/2005/210605.html
    Churchill of course is no stranger to counterfeit art: in dire financial straits in the 1930s he took to faking the paintings of the deceased French impressionist Charles Maurin because Maurin’s signature sold somewhat better in the Left Bank boutiques in those days than did his own.

    President Franklin D Roosevelt spotted the little deception, and wrote him a joshing letter about it in February 1942. For some reason those letters never made it into the official volumes of Churchill Roosevelt correspondence — an omission I have rectified in “Churchill’s War”, vol. ii: “Triumph in Adversity”. Now that’s Real History. Spreads like Butter.

    • Replies: @Carolyn Yeager
    , @Seraphim
  237. @Jon Halpenny

    ‘Strangely Dieppe may have helped win the war for the allies. The Germans became aware of the naval build-up for Dieppe and assumed a very large invasion was about to take place. Hitler decided to move some of his best panzer divisions to France as a precaution. Those divisions remained in France until the winter of 1942 by which time Stalingrad had become surrounded.

    Perhaps you’re right; but perhaps you’re looking at a source that lists the divisions in France without considering their condition.

    Divisions in France tended to be either (a) decimated veteran formations engaged in training replacements and absorbing new equipment, or (b) completely new divisions working up to be ready for prime time.

    There were exceptions; I believe Liebstandarte was pulled out and sent to France in in 1942 — but well before Dieppe. However, I’d look closely at just what kind of shape most of those panzer divisions were in.

    Then too, it wasn’t as if additional divisions could simply be added to either Sixth Army’s drive on Stalingrad or to the advance towards Baku. Both drives were slowed not by Red Army resistance so much as by a chronic lack of supplies. Sixth Army in particular was endlessly stopping and starting. Simply adding more divisions would have aggravated the Germans’ problems, not solved them.

    Of course more troops are always good — but it wasn’t a straight-line equation. That three panzer divisions were in France doesn’t mean those three divisions could have been driving on Grozny instead.

    • Replies: @Jon Halpenny
    , @Johnny Rico
  238. peterAUS says:
    @Commentator Mike

    From

    Funny how…

    to

    …more important factors were at play.

    Pretty much.

    As for

    ….no one is perfect; he had his moment in the sun…

    Fact for the former; “oh YES” for the later. More importantly, he did leave the mark.

    And there is where some people could focus on, one day. Smarter than us here, of course.
    Get from the Man what was good, discard what wasn’t. The same for the regime and the society in general.

    Or….a proper analysis and, more importantly, “lessons learnt” for what “we” need. “We” as “deplorables” in the current paradigm.

    The Tribe did that analysis and act, immediately and with full force, when they get a sniff of something like that appearing, just in traces, anywhere. Quite effective there, so far.

    Here we are.

  239. @Fox

    ‘…As far as the war goes, I’ll remind you that it was Britain, although recognizing the untenable situation on the German eastern border, refused to help bring about a solution to the problem mostly of Danzig and the Polish Corridor, and then declared war on Germany, together with France, over a purely German-Polish conflict…’

    This is one of those half-truths. It’s accurate enough — but it ignores the actual sequence of events.

    Britain tried appeasing Germany (‘appease’ used to be a word with positive connotations.) She forced the Czechs to accept a settlement on the grounds that this would be it, and Germany would be satisfied.

    Germany simply demonstrated (a) that she couldn’t be appeased, and that (b) she negotiated in bad faith. When this happened, Britain was supposed to say ‘fine; have Poland too’?

    It was not Germany that was left with no alternative but to go to war by Britain’s actions. It was Britain that was left with no choice but to declare war by Germany’s actions.

    • Replies: @Rich
    , @Fox
  240. @Colin Wright

    The best use of those divisions would have been as a mobile reserve covering the Don Front near Stalingrad. When the Soviets launched Operation Uranus, the Germans had only one panzer division, which was equipped with outdated tanks, to cover the Don front. The lack of a proper mobile reserve on the Don was why the Soviet offensive succeeded and the 6th army was lost.

    Irving clearly states in “Hitler’s War”, that Hitler ordered three SS divisions to France in 1942, and also ordered that three regular Army panzer divisions be left in situ in France.

  241. Malla says:
    @neutral

    Bose would have been far better than that slimeball hypocrite Gandhi. Subhash Chandra Bose would have installed a National Socialist like system in India but would the globalist banker elites allow that? Maybe the USA and USSR would magically again become buddies and invade India to get rid of Bose.

    Savarkar was a slimeball too. He incited low IQ lower caste Indians to attack British officers but on being caught, licked British feet and begged for mercy and pleaded loyalty to the Empire.

    • Replies: @anon
  242. PeterMX says:
    @Sin City Milla

    I don’t know how many Iron Crosses were awarded. I have my grandfather’s on my father’s side, second class and my grandfather from my mother’s side also received one, first class, whch was lost.

  243. Republic says:
    @Fox

    Churchill made a lot of money in the 1930s in art forgery

  244. @utu

    They are pretty good.

    https://www.wikiart.org/en/winston-churchill

    If you enlarge them by clicking on them, you see that they are not good. Mostly just daubs – as Hitler liked to say about impressionist and expressionistic art. He called such artists “daubers.”
    Some are slightly better than others. Especially poor is the one titled “Diana Churchill in Dining Room at Chartwell.”

  245. Emslander says:

    A sure way to know whether the way we think about something historical or some historical figure is to understand whose interest is being served by the common characterization.

    It is in the interest of every current group, from Jews to most Germans, that Hitler is seen to be a strange twisted monster.

    He wasn’t. Even his anti-Semitism was mild in the context of the general European attitude. This is easy to establish.

  246. Anonymous[758] • Disclaimer says:
    @Rich

    With an intact 6th army, the Germans may have been able to hold off any Soviet advance for long enough for their missile and atomic bomb development to succeed.

    An interesting detail that seems to be overlooked in many discussions:

    heavy water was first isolated … by Norsk Hydro; production started in 1935.

    Judging by accounts published after the war, this seems too early for anyone to have adequately realized the importance of heavy water for military purposes. (Heavy water is used to “moderate” a nuclear reactor which can be used to create fissile plutonium-239.)

    The rather drastic and repeated attempts by the Allies to destroy the Norsk Hydro facilities suggest that the Allies took the issue VERY seriously.

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Norwegian_heavy_water_sabotage

    Perhaps both sides knew MUCH more about the military potential of nuclear power by 1935 than has disclosed to the public. Without at least a partial appreciation of the military potential/danger, the focus on heavy water is difficult to understand.

  247. Seraphim says:
    @Wally

    Why would have the Guardian said that so matter-of-factly if it was not Morell who said that at the interrogation?

  248. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Globalist elites didn’t like the USSR either, especially after Stalin started purging the hook-noses in the late 30s. Germany, USSR, and Japan could’ve been a winning combination, its a shame Operation Barbarossa happened.

    • Replies: @Malla
  249. Durocher: “Hitler was astoundingly psychorigid, basically forming his worldview by his early thirties, and then relentlessly acting according to that worldview until his last day. ”

    Quite true. He was very much stuck in a WWI mentality, and thoroughly underestimated the effect of technological change. Had more attention been given to developing the atomic bomb, Germany might have won the war. Of course, that involved “Jewish physics”, so in order to develop the bomb anti-semitism would have had to have been discarded too, or at least substantially toned down. This lack of attention to technological innovation also probably hampered development of jet aircraft such as the ME-262, which had it been available earlier might have made a difference.

    More than this though, Hitler never understood that technological change was a far greater factor in producing the sort of societal maladies he deplored than Jews had ever been. For example, his experiences in WWI taught him to value and cultivate in himself martial virtues such as courage and strength of will. But of what use are such things in an atomic explosion which can vaporize whole divisions at once? Even in weaponry, technological “progress” ultimately kills warrior culture by rendering it superfluous. Though technological civilization brings wealth and ease, it at the same time promotes “degeneracy”.

    Matty: “I’m fairly convinced that any psychological or psychiatric assessment of him today would put [Hitler] firmly on the autistic spectrum.”

    I have to disagree with you there. Hitler very much enjoyed being around people and interacting with them. That alone would disqualify him from having autism. He was a genius, but not an autistic genius.

    • Replies: @Bookish1
  250. Seraphim says:
    @utu

    Actually Irving was referring to a forged painting attributed to Churchill:
    “I see that a Churchill painting has sold at Christie’s for a record price, £344,000. The Times reported it on June 11, 2005:
    Churchill Record — A painting by Sir Winston Churchill of a scene in northern France in 1921 set an auction record for his work at Christie’s in London. On the Rance, near St Malo, signed with his initials, was sold by the family for £344,000 — more than four times the estimate — to an American biding on the telephone. I do hope for the buyer’s sake it is a genuine Winston Churchill and not a Konrad Kujau, a fake…
    Irving is honest enough about Churchill’s paintings value:
    “Prices for a genuine Churchill of course now far outclass those for a Charles Maurin. Churchill’s 1924 French landscape, ‘Mimizan,’ sold for 48,000 in 1977; a Maurin attracted only 800 in 1972”.

    The story of Churchill using deception for selling his paintings happened in 1921 when he was not in any ‘dire straits’ financially (and Maurin was an obscure painter) and not in the 1930s, when he really was but didn’t try to sell any paintings. Nobody knows exactly what happened to the paintings of 1921, which were supposedly signed as Charles Morin (sic).
    Anyhow the discussion was not about whether Curchill’s paintings were better than Hitler’s, but simply that he was a painter too. Painting was a hobby for him anyway.

    • Replies: @utu
  251. Rich says:
    @Colin Wright

    You’re probably right, war was inevitable. But I’ve often wondered what might have happened if the Brits hadn’t given their war guarantee to the Poles. Would the Polish colonels have realized that the Germans had a point, given them their corridor and Danzig? Would Hitler have still pursued war against Poland if the Poles had given him Danzig? And if they had, isn’t it possible that eventually Poland becomes allied against the Soviets with the Germans? If the Brits hadn’t feared a strong Germany so much, an alliance against the Reds would have been possible and the horrors of communism might have been avoided by all of Eastern Europe. All supposition, I know, but somehow I think the world would have been a better place if the communists had been stopped in 1939.

    In the end, Poland was enslaved by the communists for 50 years and the Brits lost their empire. Hardly a victory.

    • Replies: @Malla
  252. utu says:
    @Seraphim

    I have intentionally omitted the Konrad Kujau case to demonstrate that Churchill was competent painter as he himself was faking French impressionist Charles Maurin. Konrad Kujau case confounds this issue though it also shows that forging Churchill’s paintings was worthwhile as they had a market value.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  253. Seraphim says:
    @Fox

    Writing history wouldn’t qualify as ‘intellectual passion’? He tried his hand at novels (of political fiction) too. Churchill was an educated man through school and that had a bearing on his political life.

  254. Anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    Hello. “We” are hoping to write a little something precisely about his economic policies, including a bit about social-cultural programs. Of course am not a fanboy, but found the petition interesting, even brave 😄. Would you have a book recommendation or link, maybe readable for younger adults?

  255. Seraphim says:
    @utu

    It seems rather that Irving made a mountain out of a molehill. Certain is that Churchill was not in need of money at the time. Why would he ‘fake’? That he was painting in the impressionists style does not mean that he was ‘faking’. It is clearly a slur.

    • Replies: @utu
  256. Bookish1 says:
    @Dr. Robert Morgan

    Germany did not need jewish physicists to create a bomb. German scientists were well qualified to create one. I dont believe that Hitler didn’t understand technology change. He emphasized courage and strength of will because those qualities are always important and always have been.

    • Replies: @Johnny Rico
  257. @Wally

    Whuh?

    You are losing it, Wally.

  258. @Bookish1

    If anything, I was trying to bring YOU down to that level. I’m assuming that everybody here has a basic grasp of the history and of Hitler.

  259. @neutral

    In the end the same result will come to pass so what’s the point of imagining?

  260. @Colin Wright

    In late 1941, Army Groups North and South are stripped of equipment and panzer spearhead formations to concentrate everything in Army Group Center for one final attempt on Moscow.

    This fails and by March 1942 AGC has no more than 160 operational tanks. It is unlikely that more than 50 of these were Mark IVs.

    Operation Blau is a punch into thin air. There were no massive encirclements of Soviet forces like in 1941. Because there weren’t really any large units blocking the way.

    There are two drives. One towards Stalingrad to cut Stalin’s flow of oil north and one south to the Caucasus to capture the oil.

    Ironically, panzer divisions in both these spearheads had almost no tanks left by November 1942. Nonetheless, these formations had to halt repeatedly due to lack of fuel for the tanks they did have. These delays made all the difference.

    By late 1942, American industrial input and lend-lease has sealed the deal. This was Hitler’s biggest fear in 1940 and 1941.

    The fact is neither Hitler nor his generals had a plan for if Barbarossa failed by late fall 1941.

    You are correct in your points about the state of the Panzer divisions sent to France. Had the been in the East, they would not have made a difference. Tanks need gasoline. There was none.

    It isn’t until the spring of 1943 when the Germans are able to form strong armored spearheads with new Panthers, Tigers, and upgraded Mark IVs.

    These were very successful for two weeks in July. But 1000 AFVs achieved only one 15km advance and another of 30km at Kursk. Contrary to Soviet propaganda, the panzers in Operation Citadel suffered a relatively low fallout rate and destroyed a lot of Soviet armor. But Hitler called it off after 2 weeks and everybody knew that was the end.

    Joel Hayward
    Hitler’s Quest for Oil

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.joelhayward.org/Hitlers-Quest-Finished.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjhmbHxwqLmAhWlxFkKHQfDAskQFjAAegQIAxAB&usg=AOvVaw1sPgfyCxtmjqosYV0bmHkS

  261. @Bookish1

    It is a shame he forgot the Soviets had courage and strength of will, too – in addition to actual physical tanks, planes, men, fuel and ammunition.

    In war, knowledge of the enemy’s forces counts a lot. And the Wehrmacht’s military intelligence just plain sucked.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  262. Malla says:
    @anon

    Germany, USSR, and Japan could’ve been a winning combination

    Yeah that would be a serious combination.

    Globalist elites didn’t like the USSR either, especially after Stalin

    Yeah that is true but they still liked him enough to give him landlease money and return hapless refugees and escapees back to the Soviet Gulags after WW2. Maybe they hated Hitler more. But Stalin’s successor’ Khrushchev was a Trotskyite.

    its a shame Operation Barbarossa happened

    Operation Barbarossa happened because the Third Reich feared a very likely Soviet invasion of Central-Western Europe. It was a preemptive strike. There were 6 nations involved in Operation Barbarossa, including nations like Finland and Romania as they too feared a Soviet invasion of their nations. 30,000 odd Spaniards volunteered in this operation, they had seen the brutality of the Commies in Spain during the Spanish civil war.

  263. Malla says:
    @Johnny Rico

    It is a shame he forgot the Soviets had courage and strength of will, too – in addition to actual physical tanks, planes, men, fuel and ammunition. In war, knowledge of the enemy’s forces counts a lot. And the Wehrmacht’s military intelligence just plain sucked.

    The Germans were very much aware of the Soviet strength but they had no option, they had to make a preemptive strike before the Soviets invaded the rest of Europe with their gigantic army. Hitler was trying to save free Europe.

    Fuhrer of the Third Reich, Adolf Hitler talking in his everyday voice to Finnish military commander Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim in 1942. Thor Damen, an engineer for the Finnish broadcasting company Yle, recorded the first 11 minutes of Hitler and Mannerheim’s private conversation.

    From Hitlers own conversation with Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim in 1942.

    Adolf Hitler:…a very serious danger, perhaps the most serious one – its whole extent we can only now judge. We did not ourselves understand-just how strong this state [the USSR] was armed.

    Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim:No, we hadn’t thought of this.

    Adolf Hitler: No, I too, no.

    Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim: During the Winter War -during the Winter War we had not even thought of this. Of course….

    Adolf Hitler: (Interrupting) Yes.

    Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim: But so, how they – in reality – and now there is no doubt all they had – what they had in their stocks!

    Adolf Hitler: Absolutely. this is – they had the most immense armaments that, uh, people could imagine. Well – if someone had told me that a country – with…..
    If somebody had told me a nation could start with 35,000 tanks, then I’d have said:”You are crazy!”

    Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim: Thirty-five?

    Adolf Hitler: Thirty-five thousand tanks.

    Another voice in background: Thirty-five thousand tanks! Yes!

    Adolf Hitler: We have destroyed – right now – more than 34,000 tanks. If someone had told me this, I’d have said:”You!” If you are one of my generals had stated that any nation has 35,000 tanks I’d have said:”You, my good sir, you can see everything twice or ten times. You are crazy; you see ghosts.”
    This I would have deemed possible. I told you earlier we found factories, one of them in Kramatorskaja, for example. Two years ago there were just a couple a hundred [tanks]. We didn’t know anything.
    Today there is a tank plant, where-during the first shift a little more than 30,000 and ’round the clock a little more than 60,000, workers would have laboured – a single tank plant! A gigantic factory! masses of workers who certainly lived like animals and….
    [Hitler voice shows shock and compassion for the Soviet workers when talking about them living like animals].

    Another voice in background: (Interrupting) In the Donets area?

    Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim: Well, if you keep in mind they had almost 20 years, almost 25 years of – freedom to arm themselves….”

    Adolf Hitler: (Interrupting quietly) it was unbelievable.

    Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim: And everything -everything spent on armament.

    Adolf Hitler: Only on armament.

    Carl Gustaf Emil Mannerheim: Only on armament!”
    ——————————————————–

  264. Fox says:
    @Colin Wright

    Wrong:
    Germany did not act in bad faith. The separation of the German regions from the artificial entity >Czecho-Slovakia< was initiated by the Germans living in that state under duress. The very fact that Germans were under Czech rule goes back to the seizure of German territory in late 1918/early 1919 by the Czechs, at a time when Germany could not prevent such an outrage anymore. Afterwards, the German territories were handed to the new Czecho-Slovakia by the crowd at Versailles. It goes without saying that the Germans there were not made part of the decision making process.
    Hitler's goal was to dismantle the "Treaty of Versailles", as it created chaos, dissension, enmity and division.
    I am not going to rehash the events that led to the creation of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, but it was done in agreement with the Czechs (I am sure they were not happy about it, but after the secession of Slovakia, Czechia was isolated and not capable of existence anymore. In the language of today's democracies, it was all legitimate and based on a mutual agreement between Czechia and Germany.
    Initially, Chamberlain declared that the occupation was no concern of England anymore, as the previous conditions of guarenteeing the existence of Czecho-Slovakia had ceased to exist with the secession of Slovakia.
    Even the multi-faced Churchill said it earlier thet the Polish Corridor was the cause of the next war if not taken care of.
    I just wonder how much England would have liked it if Germany had actively intervened in the England-Ireland conflict, perhaps spiced up with some tough talk about war?
    You see, England's interest should really have been to work for a tenable situation in Central Europe, and not mongered for war.

  265. Malla says:
    @Johnny Rico

    This is the English translation of the speech given by the Fuhrer of the Third Reich, Adolf Hitler, in Berlin, October 3rd, 1941.

    Adolf Hitler speaks:

    [MORE]

    ——————————————-
    Always in an effort to limit the scope of the war, I decided in 1939 to do something that you, my dear party comrades, know first hand how difficult it was for me to do.
    I then sent my Minister to Moscow.That meant the most bitter triumph over my feelings. I tried to reach an understanding. You know best of all how honest and frankly I’ve kept our obligations and commitments. Neither in our press nor at our meetings was a single word about Russia was mentioned. Unfortunately the other side did not observe their obligations from the beginning.
    This arrangement resulted in a betrayal which at first liquidated the whole northeast of Europe. You know best what it meant for us to look on in silence as the Finnish people were being strangled. And how it felt for me as a soldier, to stand idly by as a powerful state tries to dominate a small one. Yet I remained silent.
    I took a decision only when I saw that Russia had reached the hour to advance against us at a moment when we had only a bare three divisions in East Prussia when twenty-two Soviet divisions were assembled there. We gradually received proof that on our frontiers one airdrome after another was set up and one division after another from the gigantic Soviet Army was being assembled there.
    I was then obliged to become anxious for there is no excuse in history for negligence like claiming afterwords that I didn’t think it was possible, or that I didn’t believe it.
    I now stand at the top of the Reich, and thus I am responsible for the present German people and its future.
    (APPLAUSE)
    I was therefore compelled slowly to take defensive measures. But in August and September of last year one thing was becoming clear. A decision in the West with England which would have contained the whole German Luftwaffe was no longer possible, for in my rear there stood a State which was getting ready to proceed against me at such a moment but it is only now that we realize how far the preparation had advanced.
    I wanted once again to clarify the whole problem and therefore I invited Molotov to Berlin.
    He put to me the four well-known conditions.
    1] Germany should finally agree that, as Russia felt herself again endangered by Finland, Russia should be able to liquidate Finland.
    I could not help but refuse such consent.
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)

    The second question concerning Romania…
    2] A question whether German guarantee would protect Romania against Russia.
    Here, too, I stand by my word. I do not regret it,….
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)
    ….for I have found in General Antonescu a man of honour who at the time blindly stood by his word.
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)

    The third question referred to Bulgaria.
    3] Molotov demanded that Russia should retain the right to send garrisons to Bulgaria and thus to give a Russian guarantee to Bulgaria. What this means we know from Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania.

    The fourth question referred to the Dardenelles.
    4] Russia demanded bases on the Dardenelles. If Molotov is now trying to deny this, that is not surprising. If tomorrow or the day after tomorrow he will be no longer in Moscow, he will deny that he is no longer in Moscow.
    (HUGE APPLAUSE AND LAUGHTER FROM CROWD)
    He made this demand and I rejected it. I had to reject it. This made things clear to me and further talks were without result. My precautions were called for.”

    Someone shouts from the crowd: “We thank our Fuhrer!”
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)

    After that I carefully watched Russia. Each division we could observe was carefully noted and counter-measures were taken.
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)
    My position in May had so far advanced that I could no longer dismiss the thought of a life and death conflict. At that time I had always remained silent, and that was doubly difficult for me perhaps not so difficult with regard to the German people for they had to realize there are moments when one cannot talk if one does not wish to endanger the whole nation. More difficult….
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)
    …was silence for me with regard to my soldiers, who, division by division stood on the eastern front of the Reich and yet did not know what was actually going on. And it is just on account of them I could not speak. Had I dropped one single word I would not have changed Stalin’s decision. But the possibility of surprise, which remained for me as a last weapon, would then not have existed. Any such indication, any such hint, would have cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of our comrades.
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)
    I was therefore silent until the moment when I finally decided to take the first step myself. When I see the enemy levering his rifle at me I am not going to wait till he presses the trigger. I would rather be the first to press the trigger.
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)
    This was the most difficult decision of my whole life for every such step opened up the gate behind which secrets are hidden so that posterity will know how it came about and how it happened. Thus one can only rely on one’s conscience, the confidence of one’s people, one’s own weapons and what one asks of the Almighty. Not that he supports inaction but he blesses him who is himself ready and willing to fight and make sacrifices for his existence. On June 22, in the morning, the greatest battle in the history of the world started. Since then something like three and a half months have elapsed and here I say this: Everything since then has proceeded according to plan.
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)
    Her power has assembled against Europe of which unfortunately most had no idea and many even today have no idea. That this danger was averted we owe in the first place to the bravery, endurance and sacrifice of the German soldier…
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)
    …and also the sacrifice of those who march with us. For the first time something like an European awakening passed through this continent.
    In the north, Finland is fighting, a true nation of heroes…
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)
    ..for in her wide spaces she relies on their own strength, her bravery and tenacity.
    In the south, Romania is fighting.
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)
    It has recuperated with astonishing speed from one of the most difficult crisis that may befall a country and the people are led by a man at once brave and quick at making decisions.
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)
    This embraces the whole width of this battlefield from the Arctic Ocean to the Black Sea. Our German soldiers are now fighting in these areas and with them in their ranks Finns, Italians, Hungarians
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)
    …Romanians, Slovaks,…
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)
    Croats and Spaniards are now going into battle.
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)
    Belgians, Netherlanders, Danes, Norwegians,
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)
    and even Frenchmen have joined.
    (HUGE APPLAUSE FROM CROWD)
    —————————————————
    Malla: “gigantic Soviet Army”, “but it is only now that we realize how far the preparation had advanced.”
    Nah!!! does not seem like an underestimation.
    Add to that “I saw that Russia had reached the hour to advance against us at a moment when we had only a bare three divisions in East Prussia when twenty-two Soviet divisions were assembled there. ”
    Nah!!!

  266. Bookish1: “Germany did not need jewish physicists to create a bomb. ”

    America certainly did, many of them German émigrés. The result speaks for itself.

    Bookish1: “He emphasized courage and strength of will because those qualities are always important and always have been.”

    Again, they were important in WWI trench warfare, but not so important in a technological environment in which whole divisions can instantly be turned into atoms floating in a radioactive mushroom cloud. As drones and robot soldiers take over more and more of the combat burden, the martial virtues will be even less important, and in the end dispensed with entirely. Hitler didn’t understand that technological development is ultimately raceless and anti-human. Let run to its conclusion, it changes culture and necessarily destroys the very sort of human qualities he wanted to preserve. On the other hand, it’s possible he understood that only too well, at least in the area of weaponry. Sometimes I think that such developments as the atom bomb and the ME-262 didn’t get his support precisely because he suspected they would shift events away from the WWI paradigm he understood and was comfortable with. As Durocher put it, he was psychologically rigid. That’s the downside of having strength of will.

  267. Question: what did they people accuse off, before Adolf Hitler set foot on the world stage?

  268. Malla says:
    @Rich

    All supposition, I know, but somehow I think the world would have been a better place if the communists had been stopped in 1939.

    In the end, Poland was enslaved by the communists for 50 years and the Brits lost their empire.

    I think the world would have been an even better place if the communists had been stopped in 1917 itself. Russia herself would not have been enslaved by communism for 80 years.
    As far as Britain losing the empire, that was a good thing for Britain. The Empire (full of ungrateful & less productive black and brown cretins) was expensive anyways. Good riddance.
    But Britain like a fool still spent aid money on the third world and allowed millions of those unwashed masses on its shore, so lost the empire but still took up some liabilities of that expensive empire. What a bunch of fools!!!

  269. utu says:
    @Seraphim

    I do not know whether fake or nor (a slur or not) but if his paintings could be mistaken with a real thing it proves that he was a competent painter and that was all I wanted to show to the the Hitler fangirl and fanboys here.

  270. Malla says:
    @Durruti

    Totalitarian Governments cannot understand criticism, and do not tolerate any. Therefore, they may not learn from their errors, Moral or Physical.

    I suppose, you exclude the Soviet Union from your definition of a totalitarian government. Is that sane?
    In that case a bunch of peasant soldiers of a Vietnamese totalitarian government (North Vietnam) bled and defeated a supposedly free democratic superpower.

    You are aware that Mussolini & Hitler both declared war on the USA when it was not necessary for them to do so

    The US Navy was sneakily attacking German U-boats when the US Congress had not (yet) declared war on Germany. I guess the Third Reich decided to take some manly action (declare open war) rather than fight sneaky slimy pussyboy style as Roosevelt was.

    Fascism or National Socialism was the need of the hour because democracies failed in the task of containing communism as well as cultural & social degradation (see the USA today). If democracies were up to the task, maybe fascism would not have been needed at that moment.

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