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The following is a translation of the summary of Jean-Yves Le Gallou’s speech at the third Fête du Pays Réel (Festival of the Real Country), held on March 30. This is a useful summary both of some of the dubious claims of the French mainstream media on immigration and of the known facts.

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If disinformation is extremely widespread, immigration is surely the area in which it is strongest, notably on the question of the great replacement. On this point, the mainstream media make mutually contradictory claims, because they assert both that the great replacement does not exist . . . and that it is not intentional!

I. “The great replacement doesn’t exist”

To discredit those who assert the existence of the great replacement, the media again use contradictory arguments because they claim on the one hand that France has always been a land of immigration but, on the other hand, that the structure of the population has not fundamentally changed.

1.a “France has always been a land of immigration”

Translator’s note: Immigration to France since 1851. From the end of the Barbarian Invasions in the sixth century to the nineteenth century, there was little immigration to France, and what there was largely of Europe origin.

As shown by a monumental study[1]Jacques Dupâquier (ed.), Histoire de la population française (Paris: PUF, 1988), 4 volumes. edited by Dupâquier,[2]Jacques Dupâquier (1922-2010) was a French historian and a member of the Institut de France (Academy of Moral and Political Sciences), specializing in the history of populations and demographic history. this is a falsehood. In fact, for 5000 years, the French population, stemming from an Indo-European settlement, has changed very little: a few percentages over several centuries. The bulk of these migratory movements took place within the European continent, including what has been called “the great invasions.”[3]Translator’s note: referring to the barbarian invasions at the end of the Roman Empire.

It is true that at the end of the nineteenth and at the beginning of the twentieth centuries, France experienced migratory phenomena, but this largely concerned Catholic populations coming from Poland, Italy, Spain, or Portugal. This remained the case up to the 1960s.

1.b “The immigrant population is stable”

Translator’s note: Mainstream politco-media institutions like to use charts to show that the legally foreign population in France has been “stable” since the 1960s and therefore, they sophistically add, no population change is occurring.

Even according to official statistics, this is false. In 1911, the foreign population represented 3% of the total, as against 5 or 6% today. This development could seem insignificant but, in reality, this number – the stability of which over the past decades immigrationists like to emphasize – hides a quite different reality. Every time that 100,000 or 150,000 foreigners arrive on French soil, just as many are naturalized.

As such, although the administrative reality does not change (the proportion of foreigners), there is another reality which changes considerably: cultural, political, sentimental, and civilizational reality. Today the term “French” has lost much of its content, because one can have French nationality without having the slightest attachment to France, and in any case without participating in its civilization.

One can estimate the share of the population not originally from France or Europe at 20%, a number confirmed by several sources. Thus the CSA[4]Translator’s note: The Conseil National de l’Audiovisuel, the High Council for Audiovisual Media, the television and radio regulator. has criticized the media for having TV shows with only 18.5% “diversity,” proof that they consider that its demographic weight is much higher!

What’s more, the INED[5]Translator’s note: Institut national d’études démographies, National Institute of Demographic Studies. and the INSEE[6]Translator’s note: Institut national de la statistique et des études économiques, National Institute for Statistics and Economic Studies. estimate the proportion of foreigners and descendants of foreigners at 19.5%. Admittedly, these figures include the perfectly assimilated descendants of Europeans and therefore this number should, to a certain extent, be revised downwards.

In fact, for the most part, this figure should be revised upwards! Firstly because the study in question concerns the 2008-11 period and the situation has worsened since. Secondly because the population of non-European origin is not well studied. A parliamentary report admits that we do not know the population of Seine-Saint-Denis[7]Translator’s note: a département, or county, northeast of Paris which is now overwhelmingly inhabited by Africans and Muslims, and has become a byword for crime, urban decay, and ethno-cultural replacement. The département is home to the Basilica of Saint-Denis, in which all but three kings of France are buried. Just last month, the basilica was vandalized by intruders: stained-glass windows were broken and the organ damaged. by a margin of error of 30%! Finally because this study only takes three generations into account: immigrants, their children, and their grandchildren, supposing that afterward assimilation is achieved. This is certainly true in the context of European immigration, it is much less true concerning non-European immigration.

It is also claimed that immigrant entries are stable, even though in 2008 there were 210,000 recorded entries and in 2018 there were 410,000.[8]There were 240,000 visas granted, 120,000 asylum requests, and 50,000 “isolated minors.” It almost doubled!

The 20% figure that I mentioned earlier is also corroborated by Jérôme Fourquet in his latest book, which incidentally has a very revealing title: The French Archipelago: The Birth of a Multifarious and Diversified Nation.[9]Jérôme Fourquet, L’Archipel français: Naissance d’une nation multiple et diversifiée (Paris: Éditions du Seuil, February 2019).

Translator’s note: The rising percentage of Muslim first names for newborns in France.

The director of the Department for Public Opinion and Business Strategy of the IFOP polling organization observes that 18.5% of newborn boys have a Muslim first name. This figure, one must emphasize, does not take into account ambiguous first names and only gives a sense of Muslim immigration and not of non-European immigration as a whole, as the latter is not exclusively Muslim.

Translator’s note: The rising percentage of newborns tested for sickle-cell disease in France’s regions, a rough indicator for non-European ancestry.

Another indicator: the tests for sickle-cell disease are of interest because they are performed at birth and they concern a disease which largely affects non-Europeans. This figure is to be taken with caution because our Caribbean compatriots and some European newborns may take the test, while conversely the Chinese for example do not. The take-away is that this test, which was performed on 20% of newborns in 2001, concerned 38% in 2017.

The demographic figures, while being very revealing, by no means describe the whole reality of the great replacement. It is not only a part of the population which is changing, it’s our civilization: the growing role of Ramadan in our society, the sharia which is becoming the law in certain neighborhoods, the increasing popularity of the headscarf, the generalization of halal (50% of market animals are slaughtered according to this rite).

  1. The great replacement is not intentional”

Translator’s note: The financial speculator George Soros has opposed European patriots like Viktor Orbán and used his billions to pressure Europe to open up to Third-World immigration. He said in October 2015, at the height of the migrant crisis: “Our plan treats the protection of refugees as the objective and national borders as the obstacle.”

The media, while denying the existence of the great replacement, also assert that mass immigration is not the consequence of a political will, which is treated as a “conspiratorial” viewpoint.

This question certainly deserved to be debates, even if there is evidence which is difficult to deny. In the first instance, everyone can observe that, against public opinion (as revealed by all opinion polls), the pays légal[10]Translator’s note: the “legal country,” embodied in political, judicial, and administrative elites, and their norms and values, in contrast with le pays réel, the real country, the actual people and its values. These terms were coined and popularized by Charles Maurras. is infinitely more favorable towards the advocates of immigration than its opponents. The latter do not have much access to the mainstream media or the big publishers. On the contrary, they are often welcomed before the authorities of the High Court of Paris’ famous Seventeenth Chamber![11]Translator’s note: the Tribunal de grande instance to Paris’ seventeenth chamber is specialized in matters dealing with the press and, therefore, innumerable cases dealing with censorship, whether of ‘hate speech’ or libel.

The news is teaming with revealing examples. Thus, recently, identitarians were held in custody for 48 hours for having peacefully demonstrated. On the other hand, for an activist favoring illegal immigration to the country, the Constitutional Council blocked the penal code in the name of the constitutional value of the ‘principle of fraternity’![12]Translator’s note: the Conseil Constitutionnel, France’s highest court, found the far-left Cédric Herrou not-guilty despite having been arrested multiple times for helping some 250 migrants cross into France from Italy. He has become an icon of the left.

Translator’s note: In August 2016, amidst the migrant crisis, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker declared “Borders are the worst invention ever made by politicians.”

The comparison of the means possessed by the various actors is also very revealing. The European agency Frontex, in charge of protecting Europe’s borders, has a budget of 500 million euros, a sum inferior to that of immigrationist organizations subsidized by billionaires like Soros but also by public institutions, such as the European Union, governments, and the regions.

So who wants this great replacement? It is true that more and more elected officials are publicly saying that they want to limit immigration. But, as it happens, the law is largely of a jurisprudential nature. It therefore pertains to the European Court of Human Rights, the Constitutional Council, the Council of State,[13]Translator’s note: the Conseil d’État advises the presidency on judicial matters and is the supreme court for administrative justice. the Court of Cassation, or the National Court for Asylum Law.

This superiority of the courts over government power was particularly well illustrated by the case of family unification: instated by the Chirac government in 1976, the following government tried in vain to abrogate it. In vain, because the new decree was invalidated by the Council of State. Thus, for forty years since, family reunification has continued to be applied.

The same has occurred for the right of asylum, originally meant to protect small minorities persecuted in their home countries. It has become a convenient way to move to France because the courts are building, decision after decision, a legal system extremely favorable to foreigners. Thus, unlike in cases of ordinary law, they do not have to prove their claims whether concerning their identity or establishing the reality of the persecutions which they claim to have suffered in their home country.

Does this mean that the political authorities are impotent? In reality, on the question of immigration energetic measures are indispensable: the rights of peoples to their historic continuity and to their civilization needs to take precedence over the individual rights of man. The State must stop subsidizing immigrationist organizations and abrogate the Pleven laws[14]Translator’s note: the Pleven laws (dating from 1972) form the foundation of France’s censorious ‘hate speech’ legislation. and others which prevent free debate on a question that is so vital for the future of our people.

By refusing to take such measures, government and parliament are allowing, whether they intend to or not, the Great Replacement to take place.

Notes

[1] Jacques Dupâquier (ed.), Histoire de la population française (Paris: PUF, 1988), 4 volumes.

[2] Jacques Dupâquier (1922-2010) was a French historian and a member of the Institut de France (Academy of Moral and Political Sciences), specializing in the history of populations and demographic history.

[3] Translator’s note: referring to the barbarian invasions at the end of the Roman Empire.

[4] Translator’s note: The Conseil National de l’Audiovisuel, the High Council for Audiovisual Media, the television and radio regulator.

[5] Translator’s note: Institut national d’études démographies, National Institute of Demographic Studies.

[6] Translator’s note: Institut national de la statistique et des études économiques, National Institute for Statistics and Economic Studies.

[7] Translator’s note: a département, or county, northeast of Paris which is now overwhelmingly inhabited by Africans and Muslims, and has become a byword for crime, urban decay, and ethno-cultural replacement. The département is home to the Basilica of Saint-Denis, in which all but three kings of France are buried. Just last month, the basilica was vandalized by intruders: stained-glass windows were broken and the organ damaged.

[8] There were 240,000 visas granted, 120,000 asylum requests, and 50,000 “isolated minors.”

[9] Jérôme Fourquet, L’Archipel français: Naissance d’une nation multiple et diversifiée (Paris: Éditions du Seuil, February 2019).

[10] Translator’s note: the “legal country,” embodied in political, judicial, and administrative elites, and their norms and values, in contrast with le pays réel, the real country, the actual people and its values. These terms were coined and popularized by Charles Maurras.

[11] Translator’s note: the Tribunal de grande instance to Paris’ seventeenth chamber is specialized in matters dealing with the press and, therefore, innumerable cases dealing with censorship, whether of ‘hate speech’ or libel.

[12] Translator’s note: the Conseil Constitutionnel, France’s highest court, found the far-left Cédric Herrou not-guilty despite having been arrested multiple times for helping some 250 migrants cross into France from Italy. He has become an icon of the left.

[13] Translator’s note: the Conseil d’État advises the presidency on judicial matters and is the supreme court for administrative justice.

[14] Translator’s note: the Pleven laws (dating from 1972) form the foundation of France’s censorious ‘hate speech’ legislation.

 
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  1. M. Durocher:

    Is all this analysis from M. Le Gallou a function of the fact that French authorities do not actually know what the nonwhite population of France is (apart from not knowing that of illegal aliens, of course)? Is this because France refuses to perform a racial census, and if so, is that because of some past tradition, or because race traitors don’t want the French to realize the extent of the Great Replacement until it has become an irreversible “fait accompli”?

    Are you a French citizen? What to the best of your own knowledge is the nonwhite percentage of the French population? And the % of those under 30?

    Finally, I have been saying for 35 years that Immigration (of racially alien people) = Invasion (or imperialism). Surely every Frenchman can see what’s happening. Le grand remplacement is foreign conquest (albeit in slow motion and without military means)! Given the visible racial identity change, and all the problems that nonwhites predictably impose upon Whites (everywhere), why doesn’t the National Front/Rally sweep to easy victories?

    • Replies: @Guillaume Durocher
  2. @Leon Haller

    Hello Mr. Haller,

    Thank you for your comment.

    There are no official ethnic statistics in France, partly as a result of the country’s revolutionary heritage, of refusing to see any ethnic or religious distinctions among citizens. However, many other Continental European countries do not collect racial statistics either, probably because there had never been a substantial non-White population. Today, the mainstream media and government play down immigration statistics and deny any population change because they know that the idea of an Afro-Islamic majority makes a lot of French people nervous. (In contrast, in the United States and Great Britain, the authorities openly recognize the coming non-White majority.)

    I would say Le Gallou’s estimates are accurate. The major cities are lost to the native French. However, there remain native French majorities in the countryside and in more affluent suburbs. Also, even in the cities, many of the migrants are in fact fellow Europeans, such as Portuguese, Italians, Poles, or Romanians. I’d guestimate that 30% of youth are non-European.

    This is indeed an invasion, an ethnic, genetic, and cultural submersion, taking place in just one century. A blink of an eye in historical let alone evolutionary terms! However, the French are still basically comfortable. If you are well educated, you can thrive in affluent neighborhood in a multiracial big city. Many don’t like what they see, but are not willing to countenance “racist” thoughts. The System has been very good at isolating the Front National from the “respectable” right. The System is losing credibility however – witness the marginalization of the conservatives, the collapse of the Socialists, the rise of the gilets-jaunes – but we aren’t at a breaking point yet.

  3. Jean Claude Juncker mentions often times the cost of a great war and compares it to the cost of immigration. Result: Its perfectly reasonable to have immigration, because such a war would cost so much more and hurt so many more. If seen from that angle: TINRA! – There Is No Reasonable Alternative – to his politics!
    (I hear the echoes of this thought in Ms. Merkel’s speeches and public remarks on this topic, too. This seems to be the main narrative of the well-minded – especially in internal talks).

    • Replies: @Guillaume Durocher
  4. @Dieter Kief

    Lots of lazy sophistry, yes!

    • Replies: @Dieter Kief
  5. Someone on another thread made a good point about how many economists promote mass immigration as some kind of elixir for GDP growth, not that it matters to the bottom 80% of natural-born and naturalized citizens when all of the gains from any sluggish GDP growth go to the asset-privileged top 20% and to cheap, welfare-eligible, womb-productive immigrants that elites have hauled in by the millions to keep wages down for decades in the West. This person mentioned that Westerners never talk about Japan.

    Japan does not play this replacement game with its own underemployed citizens.

    Instead, Japan is using an approach that economists call experimental, with negative interest rates propping up a lot of zombie corporations—corporations with interest on debt that exceeds their profits. This salvages the high salaries of top 20%ers in those companies, along with the assets of the top-20% investor class, keeping that group in an economic safe space, even though substantial jobs are not being created for enough Japanese in the bottom 80%, leading to less new household formation since the bottom 80%ers cannot afford decent housing.

    Japan has a very different debt-to-GDP ratio than the rest of the developed world. But the outcome is similar for the bottom 80% of Japanese, in a nation with almost no immigration, to the outcome for bottom 80%ers in the USA, with its 40 years of mass-scale immigration and stagnant wages.

    But the Japanese have spared their natural-born population the mass migration that is ripping apart the social fabric of the West. So, although their bottom 80% has its share of economic misery, the Japanese don’t have Yellow Vests on the streets, setting cars on fire, nor do they have priceless national treasures burning and one mass murder by immigrant terrorists after another.

    The USA appears to be inching toward a negative-interest-rate experiment, like Japan’s.

    We already have zombies and asset bubbles, propped up by our central bank in a low-to-zero interest-rate economy for the top dogs. We also have 95 million US citizens (ages 16 to 65) sidelined from a laborforce where employers prefer welfare-fed immigrants (and single moms) who do not need higher pay since their major monthly bills are covered by welfare for US-born kids, not to mention their up to $6,431 in refundable child tax credit cash to reward them for womb-productive sex.

    Corporations aren’t creating many quality jobs in the USA, mostly just churn jobs, and the average “employed” person works only part time, even though rent and almost every other major expense has increased a ton. The welfare-eligible womb producers work part time to stay under the earned-income limits for womb-productivity-based welfare programs.

    Mass immigration has done nothing but complicate the situation at best, as America’s middle class prosperity declines, and independent household formation for bottom 80%ers from middle-class backgrounds declines, just like life expectancy. At worst, mass immigration has led to violent conflagrations the likes of which recent generations of Americans, and Westerners in general, have never seen.

    Elites who push mass-scale immigration get short-term economic gains via reduced-cost labor, but long-term, elites have the most to lose from pushing policies that unleash social chaos. Their money is probably not safer in a cauldron of social unrest. Japanese elites don’t seem as interested in fanning the flames of social unrest.

  6. @Endgame Napoleon

    The middle class in Japan is not doing worse than it did ten or twenty years back (they enjoy even a mild increase in housing space) – and Japan has not only hardly any terrorist attacks – they have a very (=extremly) low percentage of criminals too. The Tokio police officials asked the municipal authorities, to cut back the number of policemen – because they said, it is threatening to have close to nothing to do…

    • Replies: @Daniel Rich
  7. @Guillaume Durocher

    Lots of lazy sophistry, yes!

    True – but its more than that: Its a very powerful way to tell the story of mass immigration, because – at least in Germany – literally every rational argument comes to a halt as soon as somebody can give the impression, that they knew the recipe to avoid future wars. – This “argument” might well be the one, which reaches the deepest part in the Collective Sub (or half-) Conscious. This argument is still a really strong one and can hardly be overestimated.

    The other aspect, that’s brought forward in this discourse day in day out is: We – as the imperialist race – have caused the African troubles, which are now getting even worse, because of the Climate Change, We (= The West = Progress (= The Enlightenment)) inflicted on Our Globe = Mother Earth

  8. TG says:

    It’s all about the cheap labor.

    The rich have one God, and it is the quick and easy profits that come from ever cheaper labor.

    Don’t think this is primarily cultural or racial. The only reason the European elites are pushing to import ever more muslims is simply because, right now, they are by far the largest and most readily accessible source of cheap labor for Europe.

    In South Africa, the government is importing massive numbers of refugees from the rest of Africa in order to drive wages down and keep profits up – and this has occurred under both the white-minority and black-majority governments, because greed favors no color. And when native black South Africans protest at how this abusive immigration policy is immigrating them, they are slandered as xenophobic…

    The Ivory Coast used to be one of the most prosperous nations in Africa. So the elites imported massive numbers of muslim refugees from other countries, in order to have cheap labor, and by the time that this policy had doubled the population the resulting poverty tore the country apart in a bloody civil war. But then the rich aren’t really thinking ahead: they are just pushing for what will make them more money right now, consequences be damned.

    So really, at bottom, this is about money. All who work for living, if they manage to make some gains, and achieve some prosperity, are at risk. Because when a worker is making $20/hour, all that the rich can dream about is how much they can skim off if only they can pay them $2/hour…

  9. Jason Liu says:

    Every country is a “land of immigration” to the left. If some group of people moved around 3000 years ago that makes you an immigration country today. No point in debunking it, leftists just have to be destroyed.

  10. Anon[363] • Disclaimer says:

    The words are after facts. The words tell nothing real about what they are about. Post-hoc rationalisations would be the term if we presumed good faith, clever rhetoric without such a presumption.

    I attended school when it still aimed to be school, and in first or second grade they taught us, when evaluating a fact, to look at the how, when, where, what and why of it.
    I have always disagreed with most people in that, of those 5 sides of a fact, they interest in the why the least, while it is the paramount one for me.

    This article (the matter this article translates) does not deal with the why. That’s the safest approach to bring about no change.

    • Replies: @BaboonTycoon
  11. Greg S. says: • Website

    While it doesn’t contain much data about France (because I as I believe mentioned in the first comment, France stopped counting), I really like this visual representation of the “great replacement” that is taking across the western world: https://imgbox.com/wIB3Umwl

    White birth rates are crashing, and in response, countries are turning up the taps to second/third world immigration. Countries like Canada, New Zealand, and the USA itself are all on track to have white minority populations within a generation or two if current trends continue unabated.

    I believe there is a direct correlation between the rise of feminism in a country and a crashing white birth rate, something present in all three of the above mentioned countries. This has left heavily indebted governments with a tough choice: accept a shrinking population and cut back on the size of government in accordance (an anathema concept in the west, for the most part) or bring in the replacements. We all know which choice they have made.

    • Agree: Endgame Napoleon
    • Replies: @eah
  12. Countries like Canada, New Zealand, and the USA itself are all on track to have white minority populations within a generation or two if current trends continue unabated

    Same for Australia – but that raises an interesting point, in and of itself.

    The white populations of those countries stole the land from an indigenous culture – mostly by force of arms, soemtimes byu fraud, rarely by trade – and then undertook a demographic ‘Great Replacement’ by inwards-migration and out-breeding.

    Now they whine that they’re failing to outbreed newcomers… fucking diddums – if you don’t like it, fuck off back to where your forebears came from (usually England or thereabouts). Problem there is that England doesn’t want you. I reckon the Abos, Maori, First Nations and Native Americans would wave a fond farewell as the boats and planes departed.

    What is obvious is that the dislocation caused by three centuries of white (and white-ish, like the French) meddling in SSA and MENA,now sees populations rushing towards the lands of the people who invaded them.

    It’s kind of like the “Pottery Barn Rule” writ large: you broke it, you bought it.

    You go fuck up a country, you get to absorb the human flotsam that tries to get out once the place goes to shit after you leave.

    That’s why most Moroccans, Algerians, Cameroonians, Cap Verdaise, Cote d’Ivoireans, Senegalese etc… all aim for France. France fucked their country (ripping off their natural resources). I do note that the pieds-noirs – whites from the Maghreb, descended from occupiers – are welcomed (relatively speaking) by the French state.

    Kenyans, Zimbabweans, black South Africans … all aim for England.

    Again, the Jaapies (Afrikaaners) and ‘white’ (British) South Africans and Rhodesians largely abandoned each place the moment they lost power: the Kugels (Jewish Jaapies) went mostly to Australia; the non-RSP Jaapies went to England (the archetypal “Hannes” character) and the only laggards were those whose fortunes were mostly in land holdings (which was non-transportable, and illiquid.

    I doubt that many Abyssinians aimed for Italy, because Italy let go of its African possessions much earlier than the rest of the European Powers (quite a few Ethiopena Armenians came to Australia in the 1950s, oddly).

    Congolese saw little point in heading for Belgium, too – again, the Belgian empire fell apart well before low-cost migration was possible.

    And on the European land mass itself, Turks, Poles, Moldovans etc migrate purely for economic reasons and nobody really cares that much (they kinda sorta do, but not really).

    .
    Maybe the best answer for the white populations of these former colonies, is to go back to their land of origin. If white population characteristics are everything that HBDers claim, it would certainly Make Britain Great Again.

  13. SafeNow says:

    Excellent observation that the “why” is missing, and that the ”why” is very important.

  14. LondonBob says:

    I am interested in the role of Metropolitan and Overseas France, and the mentality that supports such a bizarre system.

    In regards to immigration there is conspiracy but don’t underestimate group think, a lot of these politicians just aren’t exposed to any counter arguments.

    • Replies: @Guillaume Durocher
  15. @Guillaume Durocher

    That France has stopped counting reminds me of an old aviator joke: When making a forced (emergency) off-airport landing at night, the second-last item on the checklist is to turn on your landing light. The last item is to decide if you like what you see, and, if you don’t, you turn the landing light off.

  16. @TG

    You are spot on TG.
    “European elites are pushing to import ever more muslims is simply because, right now, they are by far the largest and most readily accessible source of cheap labor for Europe.”
    Immigration relieves Corp’s of their already miniscule responsibility to their home nation.
    Push labour supply up, push demand for higher wages (even as a function of productivity increases) down.
    Also, targeted immigration of trained professionals etc relieves Corp’s of their miniscule responsibility to train their own work force. Eazy-peazy.
    Mass immigration is a bit like charity — it may relieve some symptoms but it does nothing for the disease.
    Of course, to some extent WE are the disease. Causing wars in Libya, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan; supporting proxy wars in Yemen etc all lead to mass movements of people.
    People are funny; if they think they have a reasonable chance of a future at home, they will tend to stay home (this is why you don’t see masses of Europeans heading south into Africa — you see the opposite)
    Even when we are not for me to go war, we like to mess around with the economies & politics of small nations. Obama (that saint…sorry, I just vomited) & Clinton were right behind the instalation of a far right crimogenic regime in Honduras, & low & behold, a flood of Hondurans & others flee north. How many times has the US interfered in Sth America? I’m surprised the numbers of those seeking a better life in the US or the West is not far greater.
    Mass immigration has been mostly a mistake– a mistake we in the West are in part responsible for. (yes, some migrants are entirely cynical & exploitative of the targeted country… but, they’re merely expressing the essence of our own neoliberalism; fuck thy neighbour)

    • Agree: Robjil, annamaria
    • Replies: @Robjil
    , @James Forrestal
  17. I do not see much point in the writing of such pieces anymore. The facts are irrelevant to most people. We cannot apply solutions based on them because the system is structurally designed to reward those who obey liberal orthodoxy. Every time someone makes a comment proposing a solution, I always ignore it, 100% of the time. It will never be implemented.

    Now, on the other hand, one of the greatest fears people have is that the displacement of natives will cause an upheaval of the political system that will remove any and all sovereignty of the native population, but to this I ask: to what extent has this not already happened? Your own article here is notable in pointing out the impotence of our political establishments from doing anything to meaningfully stem the tide of new arrivals. As it is in France, so it is in the United States, Britain and Canada.

    Actual solutions lie more in looking to the governments which actually have stopped immigration, Italy being likely the best example, and asking ourselves what is different about them that would allow this. We can’t even begin to solve this problem until we adopt that difference as our own.

  18. @Anon

    The why doesn’t matter. The how doesn’t matter. The what doesn’t matter. There is only one thing about these facts that matter: will the consequences of ignoring them be worse than the rewards one may obtain by ignoring them and preaching the opposite?

    The reason you are seeing an upswing in the right as of late is not because people care about the motivations behind those who rule over them. It is not even that they care about truth so much as the fact that more and more people every day just don’t see as much to gain from repeating the lies. The elite want to close the doors of opportunity to ever more people in order to inflate their own status, and so they grow increasingly insular and isolated by their own design. If people cannot purchase the future they once could be preaching diversity and inclusion, where does that leave them?

  19. Patrick says:

    In nature wounded animals tend to get eaten, the verbal use of ethnic Europeans, and their ancestors, by the school system in its curriculum creates mental wounds in the European mind. This results in Europeans being economically consumed and replaced by foreigners. Ethnic replacement is always preceded by speaking against a group and criticizing them. This is also the way replacing ethnic groups in economic niche’s works. Any group who you wish to replace simply speak against them, the replacement of Europeans is the result of anti-White speech and the natural processes that occur subsequently to the anti-White speech. Its a very simple process.

    Anti-Armenian speech led to Armenians being ethnically cleansed, anti-Jewish speech resulted in them being ethnically cleansed, etc and etc. All ethnic groups occupy territory at the expense of other ethnic groups, and territory can be both land territory and economic territory, controlling certain industries. The only way to make it so your own ethnic group inherits a territory is for you to speak against the group who you wish to replace, this goes for whether you want your group to occupy an economic territory or a land based territory.

    • Replies: @Lo
  20. @TG

    How did you get so smart?

    Of course, the boneheads on here will never understand your simple, clear, and true point.

    Because they need to rant on and on about the inferiority of this group and the this and that of that group.

    Anything but confront the reality that their real enemies are the rich. Period.

    • Replies: @Wally
  21. Anonymous[254] • Disclaimer says:

    Sorry – it’s not all about ‘cheap labor’.

    Most of those bastards don’t work, have never worked and never will work.
    As the old Aussie saying goes ‘those cunts wouldn’t work in an iron lung.’

    No.

    It’s all about the hard left importing voters to ensure permanent Marxist dictatorship, and the hard ‘free market’ right trying to ‘look clever’ for The Economist.

    • Agree: Wally
    • Replies: @anon
  22. Anon[215] • Disclaimer says:

    Just saw this. I had no idea the gilet jaunes uproar was still ongoing, it’s all dramatically under-reported (to make an understatement).

    • Replies: @Stebbing Heuer
  23. anon[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    There are no official ethnic statistics in France, partly as a result of the country’s revolutionary heritage, of refusing to see any ethnic or religious distinctions among citizens.

    sounds like an idea cooked up by jews

    • Replies: @Wally
  24. anon[102] • Disclaimer says:

    a podcast i listen to claims the globalists are trying to force 500,000 crapistanis into Romania

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  25. Many minorities would be onboard with limiting migration and pushing more conservative policies.
    It just needs a politician with the right gift of the gab to persuade them to join the native indigenous groups.
    More minorities need to be recruited like Candace Owens in the USA.
    An alliance with at least some of the newcomers is needed otherwise all is lost.
    You cannot kick them all out but you can keep more from coming and then kick out the really bad ones.

  26. @Kratoklastes

    KRATO

    Many Native Americans would have the presence of mind to know that at this point with no white people the US would not be a better place.

    As for Australia, Chinese would simply behave to aboriginals with the same contempt and indifference they do to Malays or Indonesians or any other SEA race.

    You are right about South Africans. Being from Detroit and in London at the same (Circa 2000) as they were, I observed the process was a greater version of US “white flight”. The Jews, who always have law degrees or doctor’s shingles to fall back on, haul ass out ASAP being primarily economically-minded. South African Brits also bolt. But the Netherlands does not want Afrikanners because like the white Americans, they are European hybrids. Most of their DNA comes from Dutch settlers but also a fair number of French Huguenots and some Germans. Like white Americans, they have no ancestral country in particular to return to. Boers are culturally Dutch, sort of, but very very distantly. There’s no relatives in Oz like an SA English citizen has.

    As for destroying other countries, that is not why Algerians came to France. They wanted to have running water and flush toilets. Did Bush exacerbate the ME? Yes. Would refugees have come anyhow? Yes. They have GPS.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Icy Blast
    , @Galan
  27. anon[102] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    could be about all 3 to varying degrees per country:

    1) cheep labor for those who do work
    2) importing leftist voters for treasonous govts
    3) an attempt to dilute the DNA of white countries with low IQ foreigners

    also i notice that rents are thru the roof where i live so middle and lower class citizens have to deal with downward pressure on wages and upward pressure on rent

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  28. Wally says:
    @anon

    Cooked up indeed.

    That is yet another use that was built into the fake & impossible “holocaust” narrative.

    With the forced / mandated acceptance in ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’, any calls for realistic censuses or Euro-white ethnic unity & preservation are met with contrived “hate crimes laws”, labels of “neo-Nazism”, racism, all of which are only effective because of ridiculous claims within the “holocaust” canon.
    Rejection of The Big Lie is the only possible solution.

    The ‘holocaust’ narrative is one of the most easily debunked narratives ever contrived. That is why those who question it are arrested and persecuted.

    Only liars demand censorship.

    The ‘6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    See the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here: http://codoh.com
    No name calling, level playing field debate here: http://forum.codoh.com

  29. Wally says:
    @obwandiyag

    So that’s why you live in a majority Euro-white country.
    Your hypocrisy is incredible.
    But then unproductive, lazy Communists are not known for being truthful.

    The facts are that in every instance where blacks & browns are in great numbers, and / or control the governments of cities, counties, regions, states, countries, & continents we see:
    massive murder rates
    massive crime in general
    degraded property
    massive disease, especially STDs
    massive drug & alcohol abuse
    general filth, squalor
    massive birthrates
    inability / unwillingness to support their own children
    massive youth pregnancies rates
    massive school dropout rates
    incredibly low IQs & test scores
    violence as a way of life
    fathers nowhere to be found

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Sin City Milla
  30. @TG

    It has NOTHING to do with cheap labor or economics.
    Massive immigration is an historically well known form of genocide,
    a socially engineered race replacement/ethnic cleansing of white people.
    And because it is happening in every white country at the SAME TIME,
    we know for sure that it’s deliberate.

    The obvious goal is to disempower white people for all time, to holocaust-proof
    the western world to make the world “user friendly” for the nose.

    Abe Foxman used those exact words believe it or not.

    • Replies: @Frankie P
  31. This is a solid analysis, and I can certainly vouch for Durocher’s analysis about the comfortability of the ruling classes. After all, it is the top 10% of the country that decides its fate, more or less, and it is these that the system cares about. Here in Sweden, the elite are very well isolated from any major multiculturalism. Any non-whites in their neighbourhoods are almost certainly highly assimilated.

    Crime is also not a major issue the way it is in the US; Sweden has a much lower homicide rate. Like in France, diversity is pushed on the outskirts while the the prime residential areas in the core areas of the capital region are far less diverse. This is where the elite works and lives.

    It’s really the white-working class, especially outside the metropolitan region in mid-sized cities which is bearing the brunt of the immigration policies in places like Södertälje or Malmö. These people’s votes are easily overwhelmed by the 60,000 new voters gained every year through naturalisation.

    A full analysis of the causes for why this all happened has not yet occured, but it is clear that it will have to combine both ethnic hatred from jews against Whites (Kevin MacDonald’s work is an obvious node here) but also business interests as well as ideological reasons, i.e. the unique universalism of whites. All three factors, and possibly more, have to be combined in any serious synthesis analysis.

    • Agree: Guillaume Durocher
    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @Dieter Kief
  32. Borders are the BEST invention every made by politicians. A state that cannot maintain its borders is either a failed state or a demonic one intent on genociding its own people. The assertion that borders should be abolished because a country “is after all a nation of immigrants” is as absurd n irrelevant as saying there should be no borders because “the sky is blue”. So what? That says absolutely nothing about the necessity of borders today. Every nation in the world is ultimately a nation of immigrants going back centuries n millennia, but again So what? That is not an argument for or against borders today in any particular country. Borders are necessary to control crime n immigration, n controlling crime n immigration (n these two can never be separated) are a necessary part of every viable state.

    • Replies: @Amber Dekstris
    , @ricpic
    , @Dube
  33. Icy Blast says:
    @jeff stryker

    You don’t have to take “Kratoklastes” seriously. He’s just a long-winded version of Tiny Duck. Kratoklastes (most likely an African American) will probably end up wearing an explosive vest in a cathedral.

  34. @Icy Blast

    …If the Muslims will even take him.

  35. I have to add that the idea that we need millions of unskilled low IQ third world losers to invade every white nation on earth is obviously a bullshit narrative pushed by the nose to benefit the nose.

    The goal is to disempower white people, period.

    There is no way that unskilled low IQ non-whites are of any economic benefit whatsoever,
    and in fact MOST of them are welfare colonists and wind up on the dole.

    Wait til robotics and AI kick in and we have MILLIONS of unemployed/ low IQ/ low trust/ third world shitheads with nothing to do but cause trouble all day long.

    We are soooooooooooooooooo fucked.

    • Replies: @Shaun
    , @anon
    , @Sin City Milla
  36. @Thulean Friend

    THULEAN

    The opposite is true in Swedish-American cities like Minneapolis. The inner-cities are dangerous, but the Swedish suburbs and rural areas are safe. Most deaths in Swedish-American areas are due to drinking and snowmobiling, which is a strangely Scandinavian-American pathology.

    Here is the strange thing. Turks and Somalians in the US don’t intimidate Scandinavian-Americans. If you were a Muslim in Bakersfield, California among Swedish-American farmers and tried to rape a girl, they would probably seriously injure or kill you.

    Possibly it is the fact that Swedish-Americans from tough Northern Swedish peasant stock and retain some of the gritty outlook of those people. Maybe it is the admixture of Lapland DNA.

    Or perhaps it is the fact of having firearms. Swedish-American households have guns in every room and most of them having been hunting since the age of 10.

  37. Miro23 says:

    Today the term “French” has lost much of its content, because one can have French nationality without having the slightest attachment to France, and in any case without participating in its civilization.

    Some rich countries guard against this by having plenty of foreign workers (and long-term foreign residents) who all pay tax and social security but do NOT get nationality/passports. Only in special cases like marriage to a national (not birthright).

    This works fine since unquestioned political power stays with the historic native people – Swiss in Switzerland and Saudis in Saudi Arabia and there’s no confusion about status/ loyalty etc.

    Under this system, the US would still have citizens/voters representing the ethnic base of the nation in 1965 (i.e. the political power base) despite having millions of guest workers and long term foreign residents.

    In theory, the present situation could be reversed (restricting citizenship to only Americans who are descendents of citizens in 1965) but it would involve a massive switch to foreign resident status for millions of South Americans (and others) and would probably spark a revolution – not that one isn’t coming anyway.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  38. Lo says:
    @Patrick

    Actually, there is almost no resemblance between the experiences Armenians and Jews. A considerable portion of the former was armed, actively fought against their country, sided with invading Russians, involved in mass killings of Turks & Kurds, and actively tried to carve a country for themselves at the expense of their compatriots. As a result, Armenians who lived area close to Russian empire (East and Central Anatolia) were forcibly relocated to Syria; which was still a part of the Ottoman Empire and not that far from Anatolia. Many perished on the way, due to diseases and attacks by Kurdish tribes and gangs who were seeking revenge/loot, the main failure of Turks were being unable to provide enough security and doing proper planning, which in some ways understandable as it was during the World War 1. Had Armenians stayed loyal, and not tried to establish a country no harm would come to them as previous 900+ years of peaceful coexistence proves. The same cannot be said for the Jews of Germany or Poland.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  39. @Kratoklastes

    The people running Europe aren’t interested in ‘overpriced’ White labor from the colonies; they want slaves.

  40. OT

    Guillaume, is this really happening in France now?

    “Un gilet jaune de 35 ans a été mis en examen ce jeudi à Belfort pour s’en être pris sur les réseaux sociaux aux forces de l’ordre. Après la perquisition à son domicile, ses deux enfants ont été placés. Les policiers ont découvert qu’ils vivaient dans des conditions ‘à la limite de l’insalubrité’.”

    https://www.francebleu.fr/infos/faits-divers-justice/gilet-jaune-enfants-places-1556211984?

    The state has ‘impounded’ the children of a gilets-jaunes leader because, I suppose, protesting against the government there now makes you unfit to be a parent. Breath-taking! In a nice touch, the police actually used the word déplorables to describe the children’s living conditions at home: “… les policiers ont découvert que les enfants vivaient dans des conditions de vie ‘déplorables’ …”

    • Replies: @Guillaume Durocher
  41. Bruno says:

    The process can’t be stopped if you don’t know WHO is doing it. McDonlad think it’s the jews. It would be interesting to test the hypothesis in French case.

    Contrary to what you say, many rights to residency are codified into French law. Even the european courts – both UE and HR – jurisprudence is codified into the French code. So it should be possible to track the particular government who proposed the laws and parliament who adopted it. And the debate they provoked. All that must be there is plain sight because it is totally public.

    For example, during the crisis of 30, the industries weren’t asking for Italians and yet they came. In the 60, big industrial firms recruited many Spanish and Portuguese and African, yet most executive didn’t want those people : they were top engeneers who wanted to introduce machines even more than in Japan. And yet the migrant came.

    During 1983-1996, the socialist years, were there were lots of propaganda for diversity, the process stopped. Yes it was after Chiracs laws. The fact that Mitterrand has a true far right background may be crucial. And then it started against in 1996 …. when chirac came back.

    Statistics show that when the De Gaulle right has been in power, it was the biggest surge in migrant. And not when the liberal right and the Mitterrand socialist.

    That’s why the n1 question is WHO DOES IT ? Because it’s not a natural phenomena. For example Merckel opened the door while others were closing it (Norway or Hungary). I don’t know who has done it ….

    Who ? That is the real question .

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Sin City Milla
  42. Anonymous[481] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Historically speaking, only economies experiencing exceedingly high rates of growth ever saw the need to import labor – cheap or otherwise.
    The simple, plain and obvious observation is that the mass importation of foreigners – under the guise of labor – into an economically stagnant society is a pure absurdity, on the same level as bringing more hungry mouths into a famine stricken region.

    Needless to say, the eurozone has been economically stagnant for decades, and the USA has only exhibited meager economic growth.

    No. The ‘justification’ – if indeed it is based on ‘rationality’ or ‘reason’ must be something else entirely. I’m firmly convinced it is wholly and solely the two reasons I gave earlier.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  43. An invaluable essay, which nonetheless falls victim to the MSM construction of “pro-immigrant” vs “anti-immigrant”. When the issue is framed that way, “pro-immigrant” will always win, for a great variety of emotional appeals among other things. “No human is illegal!” and so on.

    The key is to frame the issue thus: in favor or opposed to a colossal, nation-wrecking flood of millions of people intent on robbing your nation of everything you once held dear? Or perhaps–alternatively–a careful and reasonable assay of thousands, not millions, carefully vetted such that they will add to the human wealth of your country, rather than destroy it?

    The financial speculator George Soros has opposed European patriots like Viktor Orbán and used his billions to pressure Europe to open up to Third-World immigration. He said in October 2015, at the height of the migrant crisis: “Our plan treats the protection of refugees as the objective and national borders as the obstacle.”

    Correction: the ‘height of the migrant crisis’ so far. What’s coming will make the “2015 crisis” look like a leisurely walk in the park.

  44. @TG

    Look,the rich don’t have to worry about the future,they just move some place away,where that’s still not fucked up. They don’t need you with your problems.They just suck up all the money from you that thay can and piss off some place thay did not fucked up yet.That is all folks.

  45. @Digital Samizdat

    An unfortunate development! I will have a look.

  46. @Icy Blast

    This “Great Replacement” (better be called White Genocide by mass non-white immigration and promotion of miscegenation) is happening suddenly in all white countries and at the same time. This indicates international coordination AND THUS A CONSPIRACY. Cheap labor, Christian charity, socialist international solidarity, importing left voting masses etc. may be secondary motives, but they are not the main motive. The main motive is White Genocide. Since it is the elite in white countries that is engaged in this conspiracy, and that elite is white itself one has to ask the question : “why does the white elite want the destruction of its own people ?” The answer is that there is an elite-behind-the-elite that controls it and does not identify with white people. On the contrary, it hates them and wants their destruction. That small controlling group is the Jews, seeking revenge for the Holocaust and hoping to neutralize once and for all white resistance to their attempt at world domination. You will find ALL JEWISH ORGANIZATIONS in white countries in favor of mass non-white immigration, JEWISH MILLIONAIRS AND BILLIONAIRS funding its promotion, and ALL JEWISH MEDIA preaching it.

    The solution is not isolated acts of terrorism a la Breivik or Tarrant, but voting for anti-immigration parties. In Italy this is already working. After all non-white immigration has been stopped, we should consider repatriation of non-white residents, and that should also include sending Jews to their own ethno-state Israel.

  47. Anonymous[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @anon

    Yup, American embassy and foreign corps are using that article 242 or something, basically reparations to Jews to blackmail them into it.

    Plus eurogermanic elite is talking last few years about having “filter” country where they bring thousands of browns, see who’s willing to work, and then take them to their countries to improve economy. I guess criminal prone ones would stay in Romania if this pass.

  48. Ed says:
    @TG

    The Ivory Coast example is a very good one and the French came to the aid of the Muslims.

  49. Anonymous[143] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lo

    900+ years of peaceful coexistence

    Ah yeas 900 years of peaceful dimmithude.

    • Replies: @Lo
  50. eah says:
    @Greg S.

    I believe there is a direct correlation between the rise of feminism in a country and a crashing white birth rate,…

    Feminism Surrenders Before The Intoxicating Alpha Male

    A reader passes along this bombshell April 2019 study which I missed,…From the abstract: This paper studies the effect of exposure to female and male “high-achievers” in high school on the long-run educational outcomes of their peers. Using data from a recent cohort of students in the United States, we identify a causal effect by exploiting quasi-random variation in the exposure of students to peers with highly educated parents across cohorts within a school. We find that greater exposure to “high-achieving” boys, as proxied by their parents’ education, decreases the likelihood that girls go on to complete a bachelor’s degree, substituting the latter with junior college degrees. It also affects negatively their math and science grades and, in the long term, decreases labor force participation and increases fertility.

    A remark about this study: And the effect is even stronger for girls who go to good schools and have a college educated parent. Of course article is positioned as this is a negative, instead of it saying that even young women want to have kids with top men.

  51. eah says:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    There are no official ethnic statistics in France, partly as a result of the country’s revolutionary heritage, of refusing to see any ethnic or religious distinctions among citizens.

    Which is perhaps the ultimate “sophistry” — every citizenry has the right to know two things about immigrant groups: 1) what are their relative rates of criminality compared to natives?; and 2) looking at their educational attainment and economic activity, is their average contribution on a par with natives?

    It is extremely dishonest, and a gross betrayal, when a government or Establishment refuses to honestly answer such questions, even worse while at the same time trumpeting the benefits of ‘diversity’ and morally condemning those who seek the answers, or publicize what we all know the answers to be — modern politics is more about demonstrating perceived moral fitness to lead than genuine service to the nation.

    A good article; perhaps an even better comment thread — thanks to everyone involved.

  52. Shaun says:
    @Robert Dolan

    They want to turn the whole world into chicago and detroit all in the name of power. Our politicians welcome the brown invasion here to try to gain the voting power to stay in office in perpetuity. They know that immigrants will more readily agree with or at least not resist their policies of change. Even the bible says a house divided upon itself cannot stand. And that is one of the big goals: sow as much division and distrust between as many groups of people as possible and they cant possibly stand together against tyranny and evil.

  53. @Sin City Milla

    In 1933 they thought a “state” without a border was not actually a state.

    Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States 1933
    Article 1
    The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d ) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  54. anon[138] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    massive disease, especially STDs

    the numbers i see listed are anywhere from 5x-15x the rate of white depending on the STD

    think its herpes that half of all blacks have

  55. anon[138] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bruno

    Statistics show that when the De Gaulle right has been in power, it was the biggest surge in migrant. And not when the liberal right and the Mitterrand socialist.

    people i listen to point this out – its usually a right leaning govt that lets the trash in, maybe so the left doesn’t get the blame

    leads an observer to suspect that most of these govts and parties are compromised and serve someone other than the people that elected them

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat
    • Replies: @Republic
  56. Robjil says:
    @animalogic

    Yes, you hit it on the nail. “F-k thy neighbor” is the neoliberal and neocon mantra.

    Victoria Nuland famous line to take over Ukraine was – F–k the EU. Millions of Ukies fled this f-king by Nuland. Nuland gave us all a clue of the thinking process of our Rulers. The little people don’t matter to them at all in the non-western and in the western lands itself.

    All little people all over the world are f-k material to our Rulers in the west.

  57. Republic says:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    M. Durocher:

    Do you think that a secret French agency like the DGSI ( General Directorate for internal security) would have exact figures for all non Europeans currently living in France?

    It seems to me that it is highly likely that such a secret census exists.

    If I was in charge of the French state, I would absolutely need to know

    Maybe some French patriot would leak that information.

    • Replies: @Alfred
  58. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Conards de français , avec votre farisaiques ” laicitè ” ( antichretienne ) et ” Revolution ” ( antihumaine ) , traitres a Dieu et a l` Europe . Stupid french , with you ” laicity ” ( antichristian ) and your ” Revolution ” ( antihuman ) , traitors to God and to Europe .

    • Replies: @Alden
  59. @Icy Blast

    Agree. As if those stone-aged people had any use for bauxite, diamonds and chrome before Euro-whites developed technologies that called for their extraction. (I might add that as extracted, in their raw form, they are still worthless. It’s not till they are refined that they become useful.)

    But for those who start from the premise that the primitive was always superior to the sophisticated, elaboration of trade is always exploitative and never mutually beneficial.

    Originally, payment for ore and such was denominated in items the natives could use such as axe heads, spear blades, metal pots, bolts of brightly woven cotton cloth etc. It was only later, when Marxists, spreading discontent, informed the natives about the lifestyle of the developed nations that the natives began demanding payment in those terms. That’s what was disruptive.

    The extractors did not intentionally disrupt the native’s lifestyle and economy. In fact, they would have been far happier if the natives had persisted in their ancient ways. Here again, Marxists have rewritten history to support their rancorous agenda.

    • Replies: @anon
  60. @Kratoklastes

    The white populations of those countries stole the land from an indigenous culture – mostly by force of arms, soemtimes byu fraud, rarely by trade – and then undertook a demographic ‘Great Replacement’ by inwards-migration and out-breeding.

    True.

    Now they whine that they’re failing to outbreed newcomers… fucking diddums – if you don’t like it, fuck off back to where your forebears came from (usually England or thereabouts).

    Why should there be any “newcomers” from out-house countries? It’s an unforced error on our part. The newcomers have not overpowered us by force of arms. The only weapon they need is the fake empathy of our elites, which disguises the hatred of the latter for their own “legacy populations”.

    You go fuck up a country, you get to absorb the human flotsam that tries to get out once the place goes to shit after you leave.

    This does not apply to the USA, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand. You’ve changed the subject.

    You are now talking about African countries. I think you are missing the point here. People may want to emigrate from African countries, but that doesn’t mean that developed countries have a duty to accept them.

    Also, you appear to accept the Left’s point of view, that colonialism was undiluted evil. One mistake of this viewpoint is to ignore the level of development before colonization – some countries didn’t even have the wheel. The economy of much of Africa was based on the slave trade. The reality is – when you unfuck a country, the place goes to shit when you leave.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  61. Lo says:
    @Anonymous

    Just because you know a word doesn’t mean you know you know what you are talking about. Being a Christian or Jewish did not mean you were automatically lesser and lived under oppression; that is why Jews migrated to the Ottoman Empire and the empire had the world’s largest Jewish city until Greece became independent. Ottoman court records are full of verdicts for non-Muslims at the expense of Muslims. So yes; especially compared to being constantly massacred & oppressed by Orthodox Eastern Romans, Armenians had a much better time under Turkish rule. I know no records of neither Armenian revolts nor killings until 19th century, quite the contrary, the two got along quite well and Turks trusted Armenians immensely calling them “loyal nation.” Of course, this changed after French & Russians involved and provoked them to establish their own country Balkan style. Extending what I said in my first message; had Armenians remained loyal they would not get harmed in any way; had formerly Christian states (like France) did not provoke Armenians they most likely would have remained loyal.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Druid
  62. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:

    It is very simple.

    If the French do not want so much immigration, they should leave the rest of the world alone.

    Why does France have to meddle with Syria and hurt the people there?

    Until France learns to stop meddling I have no sympathy to France or its people.

    • Replies: @Lo
    , @Digital Samizdat
  63. Great civilizations come and go. Rise and fall. Just ask: Hittites, Greeks, Persians, Macedonians, Romans, Byzantines, Turks, Mongols, Assyrians,…

    Clearly the future is with East Asia.

  64. Sean says:

    The reality is European populations have been broken as far as non European immigration goes, they are too intimidated for stopping it. There is no exemption for state’s nationality law in international human rights conventions from being adjudged racism by the disparate impact criterion. Jurists do not dare to say that openly, but they all have the aforementioned understanding. The international justice system is controlled by big business and when Merkel letting in a million migrants was approved by Germany business leaders.

    Freedom of movement within the EU of Poles ect, puts them in direct competition with indigenous workers. I think the lesson of Brexit is that, in practice, business’s use of European immigration for holding down of wages has a much greater political effect on the indigenous population than their urbanised centres being taken over by Africans. As Éric Zemmour pointed (and its true of the UK) the proletariat are helpless in the face of seduction of myriad young white women by ostentatiously virile Muslims and blacks. You would think that these alien racial inroads would provoke more of a response, but no; EU Polish ect migrants keeping wages down seems to annoy the indigenous common people more.

    • Replies: @Mr. Curious
  65. Republic says:
    @anon

    De Gaulle was a great French nationalist. He is not a bit like the previous and current scum leading France into the demographic abyss.

  66. @Guillaume Durocher

    Mr. Durocher,

    While no student of France (I’ve barely visited the country), I can do simple math, and it shows that France will doom itself in ~20 years if it doesn’t change path today.

    It’s all about the birth statistics. I agree with your estimates of ~20% Muslim and ~10% non-Muslim, non-European (mostly African descent). Given differing birthrates, even if the birthrates of Muslims and other non-European fall to ethnic French rates over the next generation, you’re still looking at Muslims constituting ~25% births and other non-Europeans making up ~15% of births in 20 years.

    That alone is dangerous, though possibly manageable.

    However, we haven’t addressed immigration. France has a population of ~67 million, which means that the 20-29 cohort makes up ~9 million of that overall population. Since this is the age of most immigrants, this is how we should examine the impact of immigration. One percent of 9 million is 90,000. Therefore, an annual immigration of 90,000 people would change the long-term racial/ethnic/religious make-up of France by ~1 percentage point.

    If France really is allowing 410,000 immigrants a year, that will alter the demographic make-up of France by more than 4 percentage points a year. Given that the vast majority of immigrants are Muslim or African, we can say that immigration on that scale will increase each of those groups by two percentage points a year. Therefore in only 10 years, Muslim births would constitute ~40% of the total while African descent births would makeup 30%.

    That’s not a country that can survive long-term.

    Even if France tightened immigration to 90,000 a year, Muslims would be ~35% of births in 20 with African descent births making up ~25% of birth. Naturally, the overall population of France would far different, but children eventually grow up and when they do, France is finished.

    I don’t believe that a France that’s 35% Muslim and 25% African descent could function anything like a 1st world European nation, if at all. Therefore, France’s only hope is to stop immigration today and deport as many as possible.

    Sadly, the United States is much farther along the road of making its European population a minority. However, we are mostly importing Mestizos and, to a lessor degree, Asians. While dramatically altering our society, Mestizos and Asians aren’t civilization killers. Muslims and Africans are.

    In essence, whites in the United States are stupid, but the ethnic French are crazy bordering on suicidal.

  67. Lo says:
    @Anonymous

    Exactly. Same can be said about Libya as well. Since the bombing of Libya, it became a transit country for illegal migrants from Subsaharan Africa. I also have no sympathy for France until they stop meddling everywhere.

  68. ‘…That’s why most Moroccans, Algerians, Cameroonians, Cap Verdaise, Cote d’Ivoireans, Senegalese etc… all aim for France. France fucked their country (ripping off their natural resources). ..’

    You’re convinced that’s their motive?

    Also, while I’m far from sympathetic to French colonialism, I’m also unconvinced regions such as the Ivory Coast and Senegal were justly-governed paradises prior to the arrival of the French.

    …and what did the French have to do with the colonization of the Cape Verde Islands?

    • Replies: @Lo
  69. Corvinus says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    “In essence, whites in the United States are stupid, but the ethnic French are crazy bordering on suicidal.”

    And I thought American whites were of the high IQ, high-time preference variety. Yet, somehow in your view, they are easily manipulated by Jews and their toadies. OR, maybe, just maybe, that American whites for the past 50 years are actually smarter than what you give them credit for when they make their own decisions, which run counter to your line of thinking, when it comes to race and culture.

  70. Lo says:
    @Colin Wright

    Obviously, motives are economic. That said, it doesn’t matter whether Ivory Coast or Senegal were justly governed. The relationships with Africans could be strictly transactional, and trade based. But instead, Europeans opted for empires, and empires have always been multiethnic. They have no one to blame but themselves.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  71. Corvinus says:

    “If disinformation is extremely widespread, immigration is surely the area in which it is strongest, notably on the question of the great replacement.”

    Well, Mr. Durocher, let us look at this “great replacement” in the United States from the perspective of WASPs, the true Heritage Americans. They built America. How can we argue with that historical reality?

    Therefore it is tragic that WASP redoubts were subsequently overrun by foul-mouthed, parasitic louts from Eastern and Southern Europe in the late 1800 and early 1900’s. The 1924 Quota Act was a long-waited panacea to reign in such an odious creature, a wonderful piece of legislation that would make Hans F.K. Gunther proud. See, the simple fact of the matter, from the WASP point of view, is that the Eastern/Southern Europeans are infected with the “chosenite” virus. Stellar at patronizing, but not so much at moral consistency and applying to themselves the standards they demand of others.

    Face it, the Poles were especially notorious for being dirty, disease-ridden papists. The Italians bred like rabbits, lived in cramped quarters, and would not even bat an eyelash to bash in someone’s skull for a plug nickel. Yet, here we are with millions of them in the United States currently claiming they were historically embraced by their WASP counterparts because they were “white” and “European”, while simultaneously denying opportunities that their forefathers and foremothers received. Nostalgia has a funny way of distorting what truly went on in the past. WASPs were absolutely correct in connecting these particular groups with their own unique “proboscis” instinct. It is an absolute shame that the aforementioned legislation unfortunately failed miserably in its purpose and intention.

    Again, from the WASP angle, Owen Benjamin noted in one of his recent, heroic Internet videos that the 1828 Websters Dictionary defined what is Heritage American—A native of America; originally applied to the aboriginals, or copper-colored races, found here by the Europeans; but now applied to the descendants of Europeans born in America. “Now applied” is the operative phrase here. So many advocates of the Alt Right use the cudgel as “they must go back” for the various blacks and browns and yellows who entered our shores since 1965…when in reality their own ancestors ought not be here, if they apply their own logic to themselves!

    Alt Right guru Vox Day assuredly champions the WASP cause–Europeans, most notably the **Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and the Polish**, lack the ability to comprehend and put into practice Anglo-Saxon ideals. Yet, those same people, in particular Alt Right leaders, whose ancestors had been deemed “unfit” for American inclusion by nativists in the 1850’s and 1890’s, today claim to possess the inherent qualities required to perpetuate Western Civilization. Nativists held those groups** in contempt for “alien ways of life”, yet by the power of magic dirt, those groups** have transformed themselves into one of the natives.

    Of course, it needs to be mentioned here, from the WASP lens, that Eastern and Southern Europeans do not think like them. The mind of those groups individually and collectively is numbingly simplistic in brain structure. They lack the distinct ability to understand individual justice, or even have a conscience for that matter. Italians especially are notorious for having a completely different neurological reality, different even in matters of soul.
 This source makes it self-evident.

    In the end, the Constitution was meant secure the rights of Englishmen. These principles only apply to this particular group of people, since the non-English–meaning white Europeans–lack the intellectual capacity to properly comprehend its ideals. So those American citizens born in Portugal or in Poland or in Serbia or in Bulgaria are other than American. They pushed out the WASPs while eagerly putting their out snout in the trough that they simply did not built.

    Again, that would be the WASP perspective. So many people have to go back. Would you not agree, Mr. Durocher?

  72. One thing that should be of major concern to everyone is that France has more nukes than China (and in fact, more than any country other than the US and Russia). It might not be a good idea to write off this country to the Muslims and Africans.

  73. Corvinus says:
    @James N. Kennett

    “One mistake of this viewpoint is to ignore the level of development before colonization – some countries didn’t even have the wheel.”

    But they had a flourishing civilization. They were content to be left alone. Are you a secret neo-con?

    “The economy of much of Africa was based on the slave trade.”

    No, it was based on a multitude of things. I suggest you conduct some research before mouthing off.

  74. @Kratoklastes

    “I reckon the Abos, Maori, First Nations and Native Americans would wave a fond farewell as the boats and planes departed”

    And then they can go back to living in their tepees and mud huts. And killing each other with sticks and stones.And they will go back to hunting the buffalo and deer. Mother nature taking over and restoring Gaia. Maybe that’s what the world needs, a new cleansing and restart.

  75. Capitalism! Imperialism! Greed! Same as it ever was.

    Follow the money, this isn’t hard. Always follow the money. Who is making money? Who is saving money by driving down labor costs? This is the essence of capitalism folks!

    Doesn’t matter if these refugees do not work. They get free money from the working taxpayers that they can spend in the capitalists shops.

    Who brought the black slaves to America hundreds of years ago? Yes, lots of them were Jews, but more importantly, they were greedy capitalists who wanted cheap labor, to produce more profit. Same as it ever was.

    Capitalists, neoliberals, globalists, imperialists, Jews, call them what you want, its all about the Benjamin’s baby.

    Capitalism is replacing you, as it always has. Culture, heritage, race, country does not matter to the capitalist, only money!

    Wars are a big win for capitalists, massive profits from war, weapons, theft of resources, driving refugees into Europe and America to lower labor costs here, plus more people to spend money in businesses, costs the capitalist nothing, all profit. You pay for the war, the weapons, and the welfare for your new neighbors!

    War is a racket said Smedley Butler, he was right.

  76. Agent76 says:

    Apr 26, 2019 “Macron Woos Yellow Vests” ???????????????????????????

    In a lengthy address to France, many feel that Macron only offered crumbs.

  77. Zumbuddi says:
    @Corvinus

    A. Italians made significant contributions to creation of USA at the Founding Fathers level:
    1, Ben Franklin carried on a correspondence with Gaetano Filangieri, perhaps the first to compose a modern compendium on “What makes a good law?”

    2. Thomas Jefferson’s friendship with Pisan Philip Mazzei, initially over agricultural interests, developed into philosophical discussions and collaboration that included influencing drafting the Declaration of Independence.

    B. It’s quite difficult for an American of Italian origin to obtain Italian citizenship, especially if the first Italian of the family to migrate then became a naturalized American.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @Corvinus
  78. @Anonymous

    Lowering the price of labor always benefits business, whether there’s macroeconomic growth or not. It may happen to harm the larger society, of course; but that’s not a problem for the people in the executive suite.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  79. USA had its Great Migration in the mid 20th century. Blacks migrated northward from the South to the great American cities in the North.

    Ultimately those cities became Black Run America, shells of their former greatness.

    Wakanda is not real.

    Baltimore, Detroit, et al. are the future for the formerly great cities of Europe.

  80. @Anonymous

    Why would you blame the French people (as opposed to the French government) for starting wars in the ME? The very fact that the French people–actually all Western peoples–cannot stop immigration shows you right there that they have no effective control over ‘their’ government.

    Believe me, I know exactly how that feels. I’m American. 🙁

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  81. Alden says:
    @Anon

    Se mettre d’accord in million fois

  82. Jean-Yves Le Gallou Retweeted

    The German newspaper Welt am Sonntag today published 3 pages of small print listing the 30,000 attacks perpetrated by Islamists worldwide since September 11th, 2001. The balance sheet: 150,000 dead.

  83. @Zumbuddi

    ZUMBUDDI

    Italian-Americans are a formidable race.

    They’re as tough as blacks, as shrewd as Jews and arguably the best-looking whites.

    They’re extremely street smart and understand power and how to undermine or manipulate it. You may not like Pelosi but can admire her. Guliani cleaned NYC up. The president was telling the city to “drop dead” until he showed up.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Anonymous
    , @Corvinus
  84. ……………………………and than we begeth the New DARK AGES.
    (Everything is cyclical in Universe, you know.

  85. Dtbb says:

    Compare your above photo with this. Not much vibrancy in 1956.

  86. Republic says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Situation is much worst than you imagine, look at that map in French

    The rising percentage of newborns tested for sickle-cell disease in France’s regions, a rough indicator for non-European ancestry.

    In the Paris region, called Ile de France on that map/chart, the 2015 figure is 73% vs
    54% in 2005.

    So according to this breakdown only 25% whites were born in the Paris region every year.

  87. @Mr McKenna

    Or perhaps–alternatively–a careful and reasonable assay of thousands, not millions, carefully vetted such that they will add to the human wealth of your country, rather than destroy it?

    Any concession to the immigration pushers should be off the table. In the unlikely event that a supposedly careful vetting is instituted, they will simply find another way to game the system. They’ll make up reasons why every invader (sorry, I mean immigrant) is a precious jewel, a dear asset we can’t do without, one of the saviors of capitalism. These population replacement masters have no patriotism or values other than their own short-term advantage. Expecting them to accept limits to their demographic warfare is a fool’s errand.

  88. @Lo

    ‘…But instead, Europeans opted for empires, and empires have always been multiethnic. They have no one to blame but themselves.’

    There’s an impressively false statement. Spain ruled most of the Americas for three hundred years — there was nil immigration of American Indians into Spain. Britain ruled India for about two hundred years — few Indians entered Britain until after India became independent.

    French Canada lasted for over a hundred years; care to name the colonies of Canadian Indians in France?

    Etc. The Philippines and Spain. Holland and the Dutch East Indies. Portugal and Brazil.

    Empires can be multi-ethnic. They do not have to be, and they most certainly haven’t always been.

    • Replies: @Lo
  89. annamaria says:
    @Corvinus

    “But they had a flourishing civilization.”
    — You mean, Wakanda?

    Publisher: Marvel Comics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wakanda

    In the distant past, a massive meteorite made up of the sound-absorbing element vibranium crashed in Wakanda. It was unearthed a generation before the events of the present day. T’Challa, the current Black Panther, is the son of T’Chaka, the Black Panther before him and a descendant of Bashenga.

    Knowing that others would attempt to manipulate and dominate Wakanda for this rare and valuable resource, T’Chaka conceals his country from the outside world. He sells off minute amounts of the valuable vibranium while surreptitiously sending the country’s best scholars to study abroad, consequently turning Wakanda into one of the world’s and most technologically advanced nations.

    [A question to Corvinus: What language these “best scholars” would have been using and what kind of local expertise would have allowed the “best scholars” to understand the sciences of the “inferior” white people? And why would they need these politically incorrect sciences of the “outside world” when this “flourishing civilization” would have already had the bestest scholars?] …

    Vibranium radiation has permeated much of Wakanda’s flora and fauna, including the Heart-Shaped Herb eaten by members of the Black Panther Cult (although T’Challa once allowed a dying Spider-Man to eat it in the hope that it would help him deal with a mysterious illness) and the flesh of the White Gorilla eaten by the members of the White Gorilla Cult.

    Truly marvelous.

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  90. Cyrano says:

    I don’t know if it’s true, but I heard somewhere that the good old Adolf himself has put all nations of the world in 3 categories:

    1. Civilization builders
    2. Civilization supporters
    3. Civilization destroyers

    I wonder where he would have put US in this classification if he was still alive?

    Actually, I have no doubt that he would have given them the bronze medal. Because they don’t care about anything except money. There is no nation, no country, no civilization. Nothing is important. Just money.

    How about if they lose all that (I am talking about the elites) and are left only with the money? They think that they will be OK. Everything is replaceable except them and their money.

    Also, in their eyes, they think that they are the only essential representatives of those things – Nation, Country and Civilization. They outsourced the economy to China, the nation to the 3rd world, the country is not important, and the civilization will migrate with them – wherever they’ll go after they destroy their country.

  91. Vojkan says:

    French national institute for statistics, INSEE, politicians, the media can spin it all they want. I arrived in France in 1973, in Toulouse, a year later my parents moved to Saint-Denis. The percentage of non-European immigrants was negligible. I left in 1984. The number of Europeans remaining was negligible. My last address in Paris was in the 14th district. I arrived in 1995 in a majority European neighbourhood. I left in 2016 a majority African neighbourhood. I’ve witnessed twice the disappearance of the native population and the settlement of extra-European immigrants. When you have one population in one place and a few years later that population is gone and a completely different population is in place, it’s called population replacement.

    And btw,

    https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/ageing/replacement-migration.asp

  92. Anonymous[333] • Disclaimer says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    If your proposition was true, then Bangladesh would, surely, have the wealthiest and fastest growing corporate sector in the world.
    Obviously, it’s a misconception.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  93. melpol says:

    It has become almost criminal to document a difference between races. Even if non-whites would be the majority in France in a few decades it can only be whispered. Competition between the races can be measured quantitatively and qualitatively. Quality will be won by whites but only in a minimal of demographics. The majority of jobs will be held by non-whites.

  94. @Endgame Napoleon

    ” … elites have the most to lose from pushing policies that unleash social chaos.”

    Depends on which elites. The managerial class who are mostly greedy and stupid, will be wrecked just as easily as the proles by the coming deluge. Those acolytes of oblivion at the capstone will delight in the pain and misery of the lesser beings as they watch their plans proceed.

  95. @Corvinus

    “Alt Right guru Vox Day … ”

    Is your boyfriend aware of your obsession with Vox?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @James Forrestal
  96. Agent76 says:

    Jan 9, 2019 Yellow Vest BANK RUN Protest – They’re Going For The ROTHSCHILD’S, This Could Be HUGE!!!

    The one thing the government and banksters fear the most is an informed population who understand economics and who see through their system of fractional reserve lending.

  97. @annamaria

    Wakanda. An African nation founded by two Jewish guys in the comics industry. Sad.

    • Replies: @Pericles
  98. Anonymous[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lo

    They literally got replaced by Moslems in western Armenia nowdays known as Eastern Anatolia well before 19th century. Their boys were being taken to be janissaries and catamites so it’s not illogical to rebel. But typical Muslim always blames others for their own undoing.

    Just because you know a word doesn’t mean you know you know what you are talking about

    I read a filthy book together with its tafsirs i know very well what sharia says about dhimis surah 9 is pretty clear about it. Just as other prominent tafsir writers like Ibn Kathir. And occasional caliph, emir or so who ignored Islamic laws is simply exception that proves the rule.

    • Replies: @Lo
  99. Lo says:
    @Colin Wright

    When the means are available immigration will happen in empires. The fact is that most immigration to Euro countries is from their former colonies. In the past, it was simply hard to travel distances, and people had no idea about foreign countries. Both communication and transportation technologies have advanced. So now, their former colonies are flowing in. Are there political enablers? Sure. But in the end, no one forced the French or British to go colonize countries, spread their language and culture. In the end, their empires returned them as immigration and multiethnic societies. It was just slower compared to Roman, Ottoman or other land empires simply because of the naval nature of European colonialism, but it happened nonetheless. As I said, empires by default turn multiethnic once they conquer other civilizations. It is inevitable. It appears that they ceased to be empires on paper, but they continue acting like empires with foreign interference, cultural expansion, and endless warfare. Who told French to destroy Libya, colonize Africa or recently involve in Syria? No one. What they get is the result of their own long term policies and ideas, and they still continue on the same destructive path. I have no sympathy.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  100. anon[258] • Disclaimer says:
    @Robert Dolan

    I have to add that the idea that we need millions of unskilled low IQ third world losers to invade every white nation on earth is obviously a bullshit narrative pushed by the nose to benefit the nose.

    that’s why when people see the (((MSM))) pushing the idea that there is a labor shortage, the average person should be able to understand that the MSM doesn’t represent the average citizen’s views, the MSM represents the oligarchy

  101. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    ‘…I don’t believe that a France that’s 35% Muslim and 25% African descent could function anything like a 1st world European nation, if at all…’

    I don’t think that’s reasonable at all. Turkey and Malaysia are both majority-Muslim countries, and both function reasonably well — certainly as well as several majority-Christian states I could list.

    Of course, the result wouldn’t be France. And of course — if by ‘Africans’ you mean sub-saharan Africans — 25% of those would be a crushing burden.

  102. ricpic says:
    @Sin City Milla

    It’s too much of a strain to type the A in front of and the D behind N?

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  103. anon[258] • Disclaimer says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Agree. As if those stone-aged people had any use for bauxite, diamonds and chrome before Euro-whites developed technologies that called for their extraction. (I might add that as extracted, in their raw form, they are still worthless. It’s not till they are refined that they become useful.)

    same as the middle east mooslims and all their unearned oil wealth

    they’d still be riding camels if it wasn’t for the west and if the shoe had been on the other foot and the arab mooslims had the military power and Europe was underdeveloped and backward wanna bet they would have just invaded Europe and taken all its oil

  104. anon[258] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    But they had a flourishing civilization. They were content to be left alone. Are you a secret neo-con?

    lol no, they were content to catch and sell each other

  105. anon[258] • Disclaimer says:
    @jeff stryker

    Italian-Americans are a formidable race.

    They’re as tough as blacks, as shrewd as Jews and arguably the best-looking whites.

    lol, you don’t happen to be italian do you?

  106. FvS says:
    @Corvinus

    I’d take Southern and Eastern Europeans over Mexicans any day of the week, you D&C Jew. Most Mexicans and Central Americans are half-breed savages.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_Americans
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Irish_Americans
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Greek_Americans
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Polish_Americans

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  107. Lo says:
    @Anonymous

    You don’t even know that Anatolia has been the historical name of the region well before Turks came, and that Armenians were not the majority by the time Turks settled. Moreover, for almost 800 years they were just fine and there is no sign of any rebellion. Unlike what you claim, no one’s boy was taken to be catamite as there is no legal basis for such a thing in Ottoman law. Moreover, Janissaries were taken mostly from Balkans, not Anatolia and even that was not something that lasted forever, eventually, Muslims were allowed to become Janissaries. Moreover, not every family’s boy was taken, and for a long time, it was actually an opportunity for upward mobility for poor Christian villagers. Moreover, Janissaries were not forced to convert to Islam as it is banned to force conversion. A lot of people were eager to send their kids to capital. To give an example, if West Point recruited poor kids from Puerto Rico, I am sure they would have no problem finding eager candidates, very similar situation back then for Janissaries. I don’t think you know anything about this topic.

    Finally, you pretend to know about Islamic law, yet you will claim about taking Armenian boys as catamites proving that you don’t even know that homosexuality is banned in Islam. Believe it or not, people have their own interpretations of their holy books, and that includes Muslims as well. Being a Dhimmi is Ottoman Empire was still better than being a Jew in most other parts of Europe hence the Jewish migration to the Ottoman Empire. It simply meant you paid more in taxes, but in return you were exempted from military service, and it was also an option to serve in the military if you didn’t want to pay taxes. Most non-Muslims chose to pay taxes over joining the army, as a result non-Muslims were often better off economically than Muslims.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Colin Wright
  108. Druid says:
    @Lo

    Agree! Anonymous just hates anything Muslim. Must be a zio !

  109. Alfred says:
    @Republic

    It is very easy to get an accurate idea of who lives where and where do they come from. What do you think mobile telephony and the internet are for?

    The security people have an extremely accurate idea of who is calling who. That is all you need to know. Almost no White person is going to phone a private number in Mali, for example. Anyway, they know who all these private numbers belong to.

  110. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Why do the people here blame muslims when it is only a small group that are actual terrorists?

    France is a democracy and the leaders have been voted in. It is rare to see the average Frenchman care about intervention in Syria.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  111. Anonymous[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @jeff stryker

    Italians are very corrupt.

    That is why Italy is in between a first and second world country.

    • Replies: @Lo
    , @anon
  112. Lo says:
    @Anonymous

    I don’t know buddy. It seems like Italians know how to live far better than any German or Anglo I’ve ever met. They have a gorgeous country, great food, very interesting history, excellent artisans and great art. Sometimes I wonder if North Europeans are so butthurt and acting angry at Italians etc. because they know they are living in the crappier part of the continent.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  113. Frankie P says:
    @Robert Dolan

    Old Abe said “the nose”?

  114. Anonymous[221] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lo

    Actually Jews moved mostly because they could engage in slave trade there, highly lucrative business back then, and banned in Europe.

    But then again if we can have multi-culti diverse peaceful Granada myth, heck why not, we can also have benevolent Ottoman caliphate myth. Honk honk.

    • Replies: @Lo
  115. Frankie P says:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    Some of your statements about the present comfort of the French echo the ideas I’ve seen by other realists like Herve Ryssen. I’m curious about your views of his theories, as he sees this replacement as part of a long-term messianic Jewish plan to “level” humanity, removing nationalities, races, religions, class, etc. I tend to agree with him and Soral on many issues. Your take?

  116. Truth says:

    “First they ca me for the Niggers, but i wasn’t a Nigger…”

  117. anon[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Italians are very corrupt.

    Yes, but corrupt with flair, not sleaze.
    Sprezzatura, la mia piccola papera.

  118. @Dieter Kief

    I live in the capital city of one of Japan’s states [not Tokyo].
    Whatever I say, state or claim is not necessarily indicative of the situation in the rest of Japan.

    1) One of my friends is a [Japanese] cop. Your statements about the police sitting on their hands is not true, as far as this city is concerned.
    2) A [Canadian] friend of mine [an embalmer] just finished fixing up a guy who’d been beaten up beyond recognition, and killed [by Yakuza goons]. This attack never appeared in any news outlet.
    3) I do business in Japan and sell merchandise to both shops as well s individuals in Japan. Over the past decade the profits have dropped a whopping 80%.

    However, a couple of years ago, 80+ apartments went on sale in Tokyo ranging in between $ 1 to 4 mill a pop. Sold out in a single day.

    Draw your own conclusions.

    • Replies: @Lo
  119. Dube says:
    @Sin City Milla

    The gates of Heaven and the gates of Hell – isn’t it time to re-think this hateful exclusion? Open the borders. Gates indeed! Not cool. Encourage tourism!

  120. Someone should print a number stick that reads, “I want a white entho-state, but I don’t like cutting my own grass.”

    The promotion of college degrees and the denigration of blue collar labor and trades are culprits in this mass immigration disaster as much as any greedy business elites. Too many whites refuse to sully their hands and are content to see their countries destroyed as long as they are free from having to do jobs beneath them.

    • Replies: @Greg S.
  121. @Lo

    ‘…But in the end, no one forced the French or British to go colonize countries, spread their language and culture…’

    You’re simply ignoring the detail that there’s no connection between your supposed cause and its effect.

    Germany’s participation in colonialism was brief and marginal. Has this protected it from floods of immigrants?

    No.

    Portugal — particularly proportionate to the size of the ‘mother’ country — had a colossal colonial empire. Does this mean it has hordes of immigrants?

    Au contraire. One of Portugal’s attractions is that it’s relatively free of the usual population of conspicuously fecund negroes.

    It’s all got very little to do with who built an empire where — but you don’t want to admit that, because it would wreck your pathetic rationalization for white suicide.

    • Replies: @Lo
    , @Anonymous
  122. Lo says:
    @Anonymous

    You are just talking nonsense. Ottoman slave trade was nowhere near as large in scale as Atlantic slave trade as there were no large plantations. Slaves were basically domestic servants or concubines in rich households. Therefore Turkey does not have a giant slave descendant black population. Moreover, this trade was already established by the time Jews started migrating. No one claimed any empire was benevolent, all I stated was that the Ottoman Empire was not some sort of evil empire and that it had its own dynamics. Muslims and non-Muslims, for the majority of its history, got along well up until nationalism and following collapse of the empire. However, I will state that compared to British, French or German Empires, the Ottoman Empire does look like a beacon of tolerance.

    • Replies: @getaclue
    , @Sin City Milla
  123. @Lo

    ‘I don’t know buddy. It seems like Italians know how to live far better than any German or Anglo I’ve ever met. They have a gorgeous country, great food, very interesting history, excellent artisans and great art…’

    Yes. However, the English used to say, ‘France is a wonderful country. Too bad it’s populated by the French.’

    Personally, I find the French — even Parisiens — perfectly agreeable. But the Italians…

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  124. Wantoknow says:

    The only question of any importance it would seem is when the civil war will start and the likely outcome. It is clear enough no normal age would tolerate such a thing as is exhibited here. Europe in the European Union ia already occupied by a force with no national responsibility.

    The only issue is whether this occupation force can be overthrown. All of the occupation members should be subject to summary execution. Will the general population have the stomach for it? When, if ever, will the general population be in sufficient pain to take a stop at nothing attitude and act. All other considerations are of little relevance.

  125. Corvinus says:
    @jeff stryker

    “Italian-Americans are a formidable race.”

    They are an ethnic group, NOT a race.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  126. Corvinus says:
    @Zumbuddi

    “Italians made significant contributions to creation of USA at the Founding Fathers level…”

    Now and then a blind squirrel gets a nut. The point is that WASP society and culture got swamped by outsiders…who have the audacity to claim that they are “one of us”.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  127. Corvinus says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    “Is your boyfriend aware of your obsession with Vox?”

    Rather than go all ad hominem, could you even try to muster up a counter argument to the points I made? Or are you one of those Southern-Eastern Europeans whose ancestors in the States clearly ruined it for the WASPs?

    • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
  128. Corvinus says:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    “Sure why not”

    Sir, that really is not a substantive reply to my in-depth response. Could you please elaborate?

  129. Corvinus says:
    @FvS

    “I’d take Southern and Eastern Europeans over Mexicans any day of the week, you D&C Jew.”

    I’m goy, pure goy. So, if you are choosing those groups, then it would appear you are in favor of the proposition nation.

    • Replies: @FvS
  130. @Endgame Napoleon

    But the Japanese have spared their natural-born population the mass migration that is ripping apart the social fabric of the West.

    Not for long…

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Japan-immigration/Japan-enacts-divisive-foreign-worker-bill-to-ease-labor-shortage

    “Howaïto” gaijin are tolerated (despite their inexplicable tendency to boorishness towards ethnic Japanese), but they are less charmed by South Asians and Middle Easterners, whose numbers are increasing (a detail left unmentioned in the left-leaning, pro-immigration Japan Times).

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/12/16/national/politics-diplomacy/65-diet-passage-foreign-workers-bill-kyodo-news-poll/#.XMZI4hZlDDs

    Japan has been increasingly chastised by other nations over the past few years for its “cruel” policy towards refugees. (Which makes no sense considering that Japan has nothing to do with any refugee crisis going on, while both Europe and the U. S. are directly at fault for destabilizing the Middle East.)

    https://www.businessinsider.com/why-japan-accepts-so-few-refugees-2018-4

    But good news: Japan looks ready to bend over for the decadent, self-destructive West yet again and begin “redefining” what it means to be Japanese! Surely only good things will come from introducing “diversity” into a millennium-old mono-ethnic civilization!

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-new-emperor-ascends-in-a-changing-japan-11556208771

    Longer-term, [19-year-old Harada Yuri] worries whether Japan’s social stability will crumble.

    Japan this month introduced a visa programme to let in more blue-collar workers, a big step in the immigration-shy country.

    “If we don’t do this properly, we could follow the same path” as Western countries gripped by anger over immigration, said Harada, who has studied abroad and majors in international relations.

    Such fears cloud her hopes for the new “Reiwa” imperial era, which begins on May 1.

    “I’d like to be optimistic, but I can’t,” she said.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-emperor-generations/japans-heisei-imperial-era-three-generations-look-back-and-ahead-idUSKCN1S002W

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  131. @Lo

    ‘You don’t even know that Anatolia has been the historical name of the region…’

    And so on. You’re about half-right. Some of the accusations you attempt to refute have some merit.

    The Ottomans — and the Turks — were about like the rest of us. Some pluses, some minuses.

    • Replies: @Lo
  132. getaclue says:

    This has been planned since the 1920’s — we are just seeing the roll out and execution now. It is the Kalergi Plan to end Western Civilization and it well financed and Soros is just a bankster front man: https://sovereignwales.com/2016/09/20/the-genocidal-kalergi-plan-to-destroy-the-indigenous-nations-and-peoples-of-europe/

  133. getaclue says:
    @Lo

    Not an Evil Empire? Would the Armenians disagree? Oh yeah, they’re all gone…no problem of disagreement from them then….

    • Replies: @Lo
  134. Greg S. says:
    @MalePaleStale

    This “nobody will pick the fruit” argument is 100% fallacy. The free-market, if left to its own devices would solve the problem.

    It’s true that a white man will not mow a lawn or pick fruit for $3/hr in an under the table job with no benefits where he gets treated like shit. He is smarter than that.

    But would he (or you) mow a lawn for $120 / hr? I bet you would have a lawn mover over at my place in 15 minutes if that was the case. An extreme example perhaps, but the point is that the market would do a price discovery and find out what the actual pay of a lawn mower is, and white people would in fact mow the lawns.

    What has happened instead is that artificial forces, due to government immigration policy, are preventing this free-market price discovery. If there is an endless supply of illegals who will work for $3/hr, then that will be the price, period.

    • Agree: Digital Samizdat, Miro23
    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
    , @Miro23
  135. Galan says:
    @jeff stryker

    Would the refugees come anyway? No, definitely not in the magnitude that shocked Europe.

    The wars on ME of the last thirty years have definitely a qualitative impact on migration. True, migration happens all the time, it is one of the things humans do nonstop since they started shuffling out of Africa millennia ago. But, the discussion is about magnitude and speed.

    In the 1970s and 1980s Iraq and Libya attracted immigrants more than sending emigrants. They were similar to what we have now in the Gulf countries. Arabs, Africans, Asians, and even some Europeans migrated to these countries. It is American war supported by NATO and at times by the Russians that produced the millions that were forced out of their homes and villages. It is the push factor more than the pull factor that created the refugee crisis.

    I am not writing something that you don’t know. You are knowledgeable, but somehow you blame GPS.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  136. @Corvinus

    It’s always valuable to get the ignorant, hate-filled anti-White perspective…

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  137. Lo says:
    @Daniel Rich

    Interesting, can you further discuss? How is it there? I always thought it was really strange that they stagnated / declined this long after even surpassing the US as far as GDP per capita is considered.

  138. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    (Which makes no sense considering that Japan has nothing to do with any refugee crisis going on, while both Europe and the U. S. are directly at fault for destabilizing the Middle East.)

    Why do you assume that the stated reason — the media-promoted narrative used to “justify” the ongoing non-White invasion of White countries — is the actual reason?

    These narratives are used as instrumentally — merely as tools to achieve particular objectives. Analyzing them strictly on their own terms, without looking at their origins, or asking cui bono? is always a mistake. The same (((people))) pushing for ME wars for Israel also promote the non-White invasion. If the latter was actually some sort of “reparations” for the former… wouldn’t these (((people))) feel some “semitic guilt”… and import a few million of these Arab “refugees” to Israel, instead of to Europe and America?

    Don’t worry, they’ll come up with some sort of semi-coherent narrative that serves to “justify” the black and brown invasion of Japan and South Korea as well — “Refugees from so-called ‘climate change’,” if nothing else.

  139. Corvinus says:
    @James Forrestal

    “It’s always valuable to get the ignorant, hate-filled anti-White perspective…”

    Rather than being a one-trick pony, why not actually offer your definition, preferably with clear examples, of what is “anti-White”? Otherwise, all you are doing here is showcasing your impotence.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  140. @animalogic

    No, it’s not all about the shekels.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=coudenhove+kalergi+plan&ia=web

    “B-b-but that’s a so-called ‘anti-semitic conspiracy theory’!”

    Someone should tell the Jewish Telegraph Agency that…

    http://www.jta.org/2016/07/20/news-opinion/world/can-a-hobbled-eu-live-up-to-its-promise-to-combat-anti-semitism-and-racism

    • Replies: @animalogic
  141. Lo says:
    @Colin Wright

    I did not suggest it is the only reason and I never claimed only the empires get to become multiethnic states. What I suggest is that once an empire, it is almost certain the country will be multiethnic, it is what history shows. Russia, Ottomans, Romans, Abbasids, China, Habsburgs, without an exception all were multiethnic. Portugal was spared by the fact that its colonies are distant, but also because by the time modern technology become widely available, they had already become a second rate country. If British or French didn’t have empires would they still get migrants? Sure. Would it be at this rate? Absolutely not.

    And where did I rationalize or justify any suicide? All I said is that I don’t care much about France, because even today they follow policies that cause further migration. Who told them to colonize Africa? Who told them to send settlers to Algeria? Who told them to destroy Libya and make it a transit state? They don’t want migrants? Fine. Then they should start with not putting their French nose into every war in Africa. It makes zero sense to spread your language and culture, establish strong economic ties, and then expect some of those people to not try to come to your country.

  142. Lo says:
    @Colin Wright

    What is the wrong half? Every single thing I said is a simple historical fact for anyone who has a little knowledge about the subject.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  143. Lo says:
    @getaclue

    Yeah, they are all gone, just about ~8 million diaspora members are imaginary.

  144. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:

    Hopefully this article wasn’t already posted here. It’s from today.

    https://www.thelocal.fr/20190428/in-france-ferrette-refugees-are-part-of-the-fabric

    AFP/The Local | 28-April 2019

    In this tiny French village, refugees are part of the social fabric

    In the hilltop town of Ferrette near the border with Switzerland, few would expect to encounter Eritreans exploring the ruins of its medieval chateau or Chechens walking its steep narrow streets.

    But this tiny town in eastern France has opened its doors to asylum seekers who now represent some 10 percent of the population.

    As campaigning enters the final month before May’s European elections, the migrant question has been a central issue across a continent sharply divided over how to handle the influx of people seeking safety in Europe. Although the flows have dropped sharply since 2015 when more than a million newcomers arrived, triggering Europe’s worst migration crisis since World War II, thousands more come every week, with nearly 19,000 arrivals since the start of the year.

    With Europe’s governments paralysed over what to do and tensions rising on the ground, there has been a surge in support for populist and far-right parties, who have used the opportunity to further anti-immigrant agendas. But not everywhere, and certainly not in Ferrette where Mayor Francois Cohendet has overseen a successful integration and says the migrants’ presence there is “not an issue” but just a part of the community’s normal life.

    Which might have been quite a challenge in this town of 740 people in the southern part of Alsace, a region where the far-right has gathered a sizeable following.

    Since 2016, Ferrette has permanently taken in about 80 asylum seekers — half of them children — from places as far-flung as Afghanistan, Sudan and Armenia. All of them are hoping to be recognised as refugees — or at the very least, that France will grant them “subsidiary protection”, the status granted to asylum seekers who do not qualify as refugees.

    “They told me that Alsace was an area where there was racism but I haven’t felt it,” says a smiling Djoe Kabuka, a Congolese national.

    The only thing about Ferrette, he says, is the lack of public transport and the need to travel to Mulhouse, a town 30 kilometres away, to find the sort of foods the refugees are used to. The other thing is the weather. “It gets very cold and very hot here,” smiles Abundance, a teenager from Nigeria.

    Initial hostility

    It was only after a squadron of gendarmes was relocated in 2015, leaving their former barracks empty, that regional officials approached the mayor with a request to use the premises as temporary accommodation for asylum seekers.
    And when Cohendet accepted, he found himself on the receiving end of some stiff opposition, even from members of his staff.

    “The population, which was initially very resistant to the idea, has seen that everything has gone well, that these are discreet people, who keep themselves to themselves and are not aggressive,” he says.

    [read the rest here: https://www.thelocal.fr/20190428/in-france-ferrette-refugees-are-part-of-the-fabric%5D

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  145. @Lo

    ‘What is the wrong half? Every single thing I said is a simple historical fact for anyone who has a little knowledge about the subject.’

    That isn’t so. I’m disinclined to provide ammunition for Islamophobes — but I’m equally disinclined to collaborate in dishonest attempts to whitewash the record of the Ottomans. I’ll stand by what I said. If you actually want to learn more about the subject, you go right ahead.

    • Replies: @Lo
  146. @James Forrestal

    Why do you assume that the stated reason — the media-promoted narrative used to “justify” the ongoing non-White invasion of White countries — is the actual reason?

    I do not and agree with your point. Globalization will always find its own rationale to pursue its suicidal ends.

  147. @SunBakedSuburb

    For some reason, when reading Mr. “WASP” Corvinus’ lengthy exposition on the many reasons why these White goyim over here should hate those White goyim over there…

    I was suddenly reminded of this image:

  148. @Colin Wright

    GENTLEMAN

    Why has the Anglo-Saxon been left so completely in the dust in the US, should his cultural greatness be so unquestionable?

    You will know, without exception, that the poorest white areas of the US will be the most “Heritage America” like the Bible Belt and US interior and South where there few Italian-Americans or Irish-Catholics or Jews or Polish.

    Much is made of the unquestionable greatness of the Anglo-Saxon in the US, yet their regions are now most afflicted by post-industrial poverty, Opoid abuse, whiggerdom, unemployment.

    If we are to gauge the bible belt or South the Anglo-Saxon would seemingly be one of the poorest white groups in America.

    Look at Florida. It is poor all the way South to Miami and then, where the Jews and Cubans live, suddenly there is money. Northern Florida is associated with pine barrens poverty and South Florida with Miami which has lots of money. Of course partly this is because Latin Americans want a safe place to bank their money and cocaine and also tourism.

    New York City is associated with Italians and Jews. It has a great deal of money and power.

    What then, is so great about Anglo-Saxons?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  149. @Wally

    massive casual theft
    shopping mall riots
    massive jury nullification

    Compare Switzerland with Haiti: Switzerland has zero colonialist past, is a confederation with a Constitution copied from the US, law-abiding, brilliant, peaceful, carefully preserved environment, n a low crime rate altho they have very permissive gun ownership laws.

    Haiti has been politically independent for 200 years, has received massive aid for decades, no control over population so they have completely degraded the land so the boundary between Haiti n Santo Domingo can be seen from space. Haiti is the poorest country in the Western hemisphere, yet it is much more like West African countries than like other countries in the West hemisphere.

    Coincidence?

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  150. @Anonymous

    With Europe’s governments paralysed over what to do and tensions rising on the ground, there has been a surge in support for populist and [so-called] “far-right” parties, who have used the opportunity to further… [patriotic immigration reform]. But not everywhere, and certainly not in Ferrette where Mayor Francois Cohendet has overseen a successful integration and says the migrants’ presence there is “not an issue” but just a part of the community’s normal life.

    How about the deputy mayor of this unfortunate town, whose government is so enthusiastically promoting the non-White invasion? Must be a very good goy as well…

    His deputy, Martine Kaufmann, concurs.

    Perhaps not…

  151. @Corvinus

    CORVINUS

    The highest levels of poverty, whiggerdom, miscegenation, unemployment, post-industrial economic stagnation and all the rest of it are seemingly in the Anglo-Saxon interior of the US.

    Much is made of WASP greatness, but the bible belt is poorer than the East Coast. So is the South. Miami is wealthier than Northern Florida, which is mostly Anglo-Saxon.

    If WASP culture is so great, why are the poorest states and regions WASP?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  152. FvS says:
    @Corvinus

    Of white Europeans, as intended. Notice how it doesn’t say “free white Anglo-Saxon Protestant.”

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
    , @Corvinus
  153. @Galan

    Technology brings knowledge of how to GET to Europe to the tiniest villages in ME or Africa. Thirty years ago, prior to the internet, young men had no idea how to pilot a boat from Africa to Europe.

    Also, they had less of an idea of how much wealthier Europe was. The internet has changed this.

    Of course Bush is responsible for Iraqi and Afghani refugees. Libya? I think Ghaddafi would have left a power vacuum no matter what.

    Libya was never the economic magnet of Dubai. Not in my working life and I was born in 1974 and arrived in Dubai in 1999.

    South Yemen was backed by Russia in the eighties, essentially split into too countries. This was the beginning of their problem.

  154. @Amber Dekstris

    A defined territory without borders is an oxymoron. The former without the latter soon reverts to anarchy or displacement, as we are seeing today.

  155. @Corvinus

    Here we see the ignorant, hate-filled anti-White yet again demonstrating the well-known fact that virulent, unreasoning anti-White hatred and toxic semitism are merely two sides of the same slimy shekel. They invariably go together, as in Corvinus’ incoherently-rabid rants…

    Corvinus’ feeble efforts at hate propaganda are a variant of the “My Fellow White People” canard:

    My Fellow White People, “we” need to do more about “our” so-called White supreemism, “White privilege,” “inadequate levels of explicit out-group preference,” etc.

    Corvinus’ technique, rather than direct exhortations to Whites to engage in more intense self-hatred, is the is the closely related “My Fellow White People, you must do more to hate those other goy… I mean White people over there!”

    Same basic principle, though — just a slightly different rhetorical angle:

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Crypsis

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Aggressive_mimicry

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  156. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    In other words you’re a complacent America Alone type thinker. Dissing “socialist” Europe and defending right-liberal America. However, if current political trends are anything to go by, its more likely Europe will be the one standing alone. Firstly, Muslim birthrates in Europe and the Middle Eastern are falling quite dramatically, in part because most Muslims live in big cities where large families are a liability. Secondly, most European governments are cutting immigration levels, and are under increasing pressure to cut them further. The proportional representation system used in most European countries ensures that populist nationalist parties have a gateway to power and will have an increasing influence on the political process. Thirdly, the only reason why Europe is importing Muslims is for cheap labour. However, labour saving technology is rapidly undermining the need for cheap labour so there is little economic need for further low-skilled immigration (which is why the elites are starting to get on the anti-immigration band wagon).

    It is the colonial Anglo countries that are most threatened by non-white immigration. We have no populist/nationalist parties opposed to non-white immigration and the centre right is just as keen on racial replacement as the centre-left (probably more so in Australia and New Zealand). This is because our neoliberal elites with their short-term mentality are hell bent on making money by selling land and assets to foreigners. They have forgotten the common sense maxim that there is no such thing a free lunch.

    Colonial whites in North America and Australia are in danger of becoming piggy in the middle. Paying taxes to support a NAM underclass while having to toil for hard-headed East Asians who have little respect for western free speech, workers rights, or the “nobility” of skilled manual labour. As a lower-middle class white, I’d rather live in a country that is 10 percent stroppy Muslim than 70 percent mercantile Asian and anti-white NAM. At least the former can be contained in urban ghettos.

  157. @ricpic

    No, it’s just simpler. Just doing my part to bring a clumsy relic of archaic English into the 21st century. It actually makes reading easier once you get used to it.

  158. @Robert Dolan

    Since the Dems can’t win elections (honestly, at least) they have opted to become the Equatorial Immigration Party. I’m still waiting for the Repubs to finally understand this n become the White Nationalist Party. Waiting…waiting…waiting…

    • Replies: @Whitewolf
  159. @Miro23

    It’s too late for that. The US has been massively colonized. The only option at this point is partition.

  160. @Bruno

    In the US n UK, it was Jews who led the legislative struggle to abandon white-only immigration n start allowing non-whites in without regard to their proportion to the existing population. I don’t know about France but I suspect it was parallel. Jews in Europe n the US have always been the leaders of Left movements. Left by definition means international.

  161. @Mr McKenna

    ‘Carefully vetting’? Okay, I have to step in here. As a lawyer with experience in immigration I hate to tell you this, but vetting is a fantasy. Americans have this naive first-world view that the third-world has the same kind of institutions, the same record-keeping, the same educational standards, n the same honesty as what we are used to in the US. That’s flat wrong. Most of the third-world have inaccurate records, or no records, lax standards, n uneducated burocrats who are ready willing n able to provide ANY document that someone needs, if they have the cash. ‘Undocumented immigrant’ is largely a myth. They often bring massive documentation–but it’s all fake. As a lawyer I saw many cases where an immigrant needed a particular document they would just call home, n in a few days it would magically appear. Even backdated newspaper articles. PhD certificates, academic grades, birth certificates, family records… all fake.

    You can forget vetting.

  162. @Anonymous

    As is the case in most 3W countries, ‘their’ corporate sector is headquartered in the 1W.

  163. @Sin City Milla

    No, but you have to factor a few things in.

    1) Switzerland is in the middle of Europe, with reliable trade partners and capitol.

    2) Haiti is a former colony with a rocky start. The French essentially abandoned it to slaves with no education, no resources and no money.

    3) Haiti had a Mulatto over class.

    4) Haiti was one of the worst dictatorships in the world and one reason was that civilians did not have guns. When everyone is armed, like Switzerland, it is harder for the government to simply terrorize everyone. The first thing Mussolini, Mao, Stalin and every other European dictator does is take people’s guns away from them.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
    , @anon
  164. Lo says:
    @Colin Wright

    No one is whitewashing Ottoman history. It is just that there is too much blackwashing going on that, even stating simple truth sounds like whitewashing. Everything I said with regards to Ottomans is verifiable, historical facts. The main problem boils down to the fact that Europeans confuse it with their own empires, their racist guilt, and extreme religious bigotry is reflected in their comments on Ottomans. In reality, Ottomans were a classical Eastern Empire, the rule was not based on race or ethnicity. Religious minorities had their own courts, their separate societies and had considerable autonomy. There are many, many records of non-Muslims winning cases against Muslims in courts (when there is a dispute between the two, mind you this was impossible in Europe during the same time because all Muslims were either massacred or converted). Sure, there were massacres of some people here and there, it is 600 years of mostly pre-modern history after all, but killings were not based on race or religion. Christian massacres? A Devshirme, Croatian Pasha alone killed 40.000 Turks in Eastern Anatolia in 16th century in a single campaign. Over a million Turks migrated to Iran in order to escape Ottomans, hundreds of thousands of Turks were forcibly removed from Anatolia. Apparently, people who try to make up a genocide out of Armenian relocations don’t know any of this, so keep repeating the same things over and over. Janissaries, Dhimmi, Armenians. What do they know? Nothing but imaginary victimhood.

  165. @Mr McKenna

    Another misconception that Americans have is the SIZE of foreign populations. People here just don’t seem to understand the extent of overpopulation in much of the world. China n India could each send to the US 200 million people overnight without even noticing the difference in their own countries.

    400 million new people would more than double the US population n wreck our economy n our environment. Africa is expected to double its 1 1/2 billion people over the next few decades to 3 billion people. Even sending 1 billion Africans to Europe n the US would not save Africa from massive famine n the coming environmental disaster.

    Add another 100 million people from Latin America, which the Dems are calling for in addition to open-ended migration from the rest of the world, n the US will become as poor n densely populated as India.

    Open borders is racial, national, environmental, n economic suicide.

  166. @unpc downunder

    AUSTRALIA vs AMERICA

    Jews and Irish-Catholics and Anglo-Saxons (Lesser) already control finance, media and the judiciary system. So Chinese millionaires can move in, but they cannot seize these means of production from the Jews or Whites in America like Australia. East Asian mindsets clash with Jewish ones and Jews are not going to relinquish control of the power structure in America; in Australia it is easier to do so.

    White Australia was always egalitarian and now they are receiving Hindus and East Asians from the most callous and mercantile dog-eat-dog societies on the planet. In Australia, there was always a middle-class mentality and this was because it was settled by Brits fleeing the class system. America on the other hand, never pretended to be anything but raw capitalism masquerading as meritocracy. White Americans, particularly Jews, are used to this. All Americans are. If you have no money, you have no rights in the US. Australians on the other hand are completely at odds with the Chinese mindset.

    America has long been used to suppressing troublesome minorities and has police state in place. Australia never really had this issue until now. US police are militaristic. Also, the US population is armed. No matter how many Martin Byrant type shooters go on sprees in the US, Americans will always be armed. This gives Muslim or Sudanese immigrants pause for thought.

    Most Australian underclass live in suburbs. Which keeps crime out of centers of power in the CBD. However in the US, minority crime is concentrated in the inner-city and this can cause much bigger problems for the functionality of a society. When crime is some seedy suburb, nobody cares in Australia. When it is downtown like Washington DC, it is a bigger problem.

  167. @Corvinus

    Off the mark. Africa is a big place n has had many notable states but also many desolate regions where nothing notable occurred. When people say ‘they had a flourishing civilization’, they are usually referring either to North Africa or to Mali. Yes, the wheel was introduced by Romans into most of the Sahara n into Ethiopia, along with writing, but when the Muslim Arabs arrived they preferred camels to wagons. Islamized Africans also introduced organized slave raiding which reached deep into the Congo.

    There was really nothing much going on south of the equator. No writing, no wheels, no cities, no states, no domesticated animals except for cattle which slowly spread southward along with iron-working. OTOH cannibalism was widespread, n still occurs today, but of course you won’t see that on cable TV. Vice did an interesting special about cannibalism of children that still happens in Uganda. I’m sure it can be found on Youtube.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Duke of Dubuque
  168. @Anonymous

    If only a small group are actual terrorists it is because only a small group has access to guns, bombs, n money.

  169. @Lo

    I agree that the Ottomans typically get undeserved bad press. But they did have a massive slave trade. Not African blacks, but Slavs. One of the reasons the Russians kept attacking the Turks was due to their slave markets which induced the Tatars in the Crimea to conduct constant slave raids into the Ukraine n up the Volga. Since they were typically very short n their horses were small they were said to look like “monkeys on dogs”. They would slip in n kidnap Ukrainian n Russian children n take them back to Crimea where Ottomans would buy them. This went on for centuries.

    OTOH Egypt did import large numbers of black slaves. They left few descendants because the black male slaves were usually castrated n the black female slaves not permitted to reproduce.

    The islamic world probably imported more slaves than did the Americas, tho of course there is no way to measure it accurately. The Islamic world certainly imported many more slaves than did the US, which imported only a small fraction of the slaves who came to the New World, most going to the Spanish Caribbean n Portuguese Brazil.

    • Replies: @Lo
  170. @Corvinus

    Here we go again. Ethnicity is merely a word if one ignores race. There is no real difference except in the minds of liberals who want to reject biology at every turn. If there were any real difference, then the Congressional Black Caucus would accept whites with braids into their group. But they don’t. They define ‘black’ in purely racial terms, as does most of the world. I can’t get affirmative action just because I speak wigger n wear gold chains.

    ‘Race’ simply refers to a group that share a noticeable degree of genetic similarity. This kind of similarity can be seen in many groups of people around the world at a glance. Italians also share genetic similarities, so they too can be called a ‘race’, tho the similarity would break down as one moves south to Calabria n Sicily.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  171. @unpc downunder

    [H]ard-headed East Asians who have little respect for western free speech, workers rights, or the “nobility” of skilled manual labour.

    “Western free speech” and “freedom of the press” are overrated; at any rate, they are currently being manipulated to subvert the very civilization that birthed them. A measure of control over these freedoms à la Lee Kuan Yew or Augusto Pinochet would, therefore, be salubrious. While not a fan of the P. R. C. government (although I am highly sympathetic to Chinese civilization), their judicious mastery of their national press undoubtedly has been key in maintaining national unity. Otherwise, they, too, would have suffered Yeltsin-like mismanagement, decadence, and worse.

    Workers are quite often better protected in both South Korea and Japan than in the U. S. Both governments historically have been unwilling to make great concessions to American free trade initiatives out of concern for their national industries and workers. If anything, Anglo-America could stand to learn a thing or two from these nations.

    Finally, you seem to not be aware of the enormous pride East Asians—particularly Koreans and Japanese—have in their centuries-old traditions of manual labor. The dedication and widespread appreciation they cultivate have no equivalent in the Anglosphere.

    As a lower-middle class white, I’d rather live in a country that is 10 percent stroppy Muslim than 70 percent mercantile Asian and anti-white NAM. At least the former can be contained in urban ghettos.

    Macron’s France awaits you with open arms. As for me, I will gladly choose East Asians over Muslims any day.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  172. @Greg S.

    It’s true that a white man will not mow a lawn or pick fruit for $3/hr in an under the table job with no benefits where he gets treated like shit. He is smarter than that.

    But would he (or you) mow a lawn for $120 / hr? I bet you would have a lawn mover over at my place in 15 minutes if that was the case.

    No, a white guy would incorporate, hire illegals to mow the lawn for $8 / hr, n pocket the rest. Then he would branch out to landscaping, installing sprinklers, n roof repair. The illegals meanwhile would stop working when they have enough cash to buy lunch. I’ve seen this in action.

  173. @Thulean Friend

    Henning Mankell played a big role in the deepening of the relations between Sweden and Africa.

    I think, Mankell was really scared about what he saw in Africa and tried to do – – – something.

    From here on the thing gets dark.

    One big factor which might have driven him is the overall much too positive anthropology of the left. – Orthe lack thereof. And if you think, that people are equal, what’s left is a moral obligation, to act. which is what I think, that he did – not least n the name of the old left’s internationalism.

    It’s Olof Palme, Karl Marx, and Margret Mead, basically. Henning Mankell drew the sum total.

    (It will be crucial to make clear, that Pinker’s and Jordan B. Peterson’s ideas of progress don’t necessarily imply the blindness versus the actual differences in the behavior of different people in different environments. That might – as I said: It might be crucial to understand this.

  174. Miro23 says:
    @Greg S.

    What has happened instead is that artificial forces, due to government immigration policy, are preventing this free-market price discovery. If there is an endless supply of illegals who will work for $3/hr, then that will be the price, period.

    Same on Asian outsourcing.

    Stop the mass immigration and outsourcing and things get a lot more expensive = less lawns, services , clothing – everything basically – but society is more united and corporations make lower profits.

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  175. Anonymous[667] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Actually, Portugal is being flooded by distinctly dusky looking Brazilians.

    Only that they don’t stay in Portugal. Granted EU passports by the Portuguese authorities, they flood into the UK.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  176. Anonymous[667] • Disclaimer says:
    @unpc downunder

    Sorry.

    The political puppet show means bugger all.

    The Economist/Deep State which runs the west has decreed massive uncontrolled third world immigration.
    So it’s massive uncontrolled third world immigration you will get.

  177. https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/ageing/replacement-migration.asp

    I don’t know if this replacement migration is even a conspiracy. I would argue that it has been open UN policy for at least 20 years so I can’t see how any member states can be denying what they’re up to. The UN has clearly targeted white nations for this replacement, and Japan and South Korea are on the list too, they’re just on the back burner for now while they deal with those easier countries where the people are likely to offer least resistance to this programme. It will take massive international effort to stop or reverse this ongoing UN policy. Agenda 21 and the recent Marrakech agreement are all steps in the same direction.

    • Replies: @anon
  178. @James Forrestal

    Thank you James F for your link to the Coudenhove Kalergi plan. I had never heard of it. It is completely disgusting.
    I don’t disagree with your views per se, however, I do place more emphasis on money/power than on race as the vital causal factor behind our current abortion of a world/society/culture etc.

  179. Whitewolf says:
    @Kratoklastes

    I see we have ourselves an anti-White here. While it’s true that Europeans have been taking natural resources from Africans and others like the Aboriginals of Australia there’s one thing you left out. The resources were not being used and would never have been used had not Europeans either discovered them to begin with or developed a technology that required them. Plus you yourself are an end user of these same resources knowing full well under what circumstances they were obtained. Maybe in your haste to spew your anti-White diatribe you overlooked these inconvenient facts.

    • Replies: @anon
  180. Whitewolf says:
    @Sin City Milla

    Both parties are staffed by prostitutes who will do the bidding of those with enough money to pay them or pictures/videos of them in compromising situations. Both parties serve the same master who is definitely not the suckers voting for them at election time.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  181. eah says:
    @Corvinus

    …that American whites for the past 50 years are actually smarter than what you give them credit for when they make their own decisions…when it comes to race and culture.

    “Wow, just wow” — “LOL” — you act as if you’ve never heard the word “racist” used (or more recently, “punch a Nazi”) — three things are very clear: 1) white Americans never voted to become a minority in their own country; 2) no open, honest, rational discussion of this issue has been possible for a long, long time; 3) you are one of the most intellectually dishonest commenters here.

    Any dissent on this issue is greeted with vicious moral condemnation (nowadays also often Establishment-sanctioned violence) — most people are of course afraid of this, and successfully intimidated by it — they do not know how to rhetorically defend themselves — very few mainstream politicians will risk such condemnation — that’s why you get bizarre scenes like übercuck Joe Biden welcoming the displacement of people like him:

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Whitewolf
    , @eah
  182. @Anonymous

    667

    Most of the elite in the Philippines are land-owning Spanish-blooded (The children of Filipino mistresses left the land after Independence from Spain) who are dual-citizens of Spain. Many if not most have Spanish passports.

    But why be a nobody in Spain when you can be royalty in the Philippines.

  183. @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    NAVARRO

    I know many South Koreans in Philippines and over-unionization has affected their economy significantly.

    Also, wherever you get the union you are going to get the mafia whether it is Italians in Detroit UAW or Korean crime groups leaning on Taxi driving unions in Seoul.

    To some degree, the GOP and the 1% argue against minimum wage simply in order to make more profits. Raising minimum wage would make zero difference. But, on the other hand, unions can kill an industry and lead to organized crime. Both have happened in the US.

  184. @jeff stryker

    But, on the other hand, unions can kill an industry and lead to organized crime. Both have happened in the US.

    Absolutely. Some unions are effective at extracting exorbitant salaries for their members, but at the cost of endangering the very industry they work in. Orchestral musicians’ unions come to mind.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  185. Any Euro country hoping to survive better purge every last mohammedan.

    • Disagree: BengaliCanadianDude
  186. OT: She does quite a good analysis of Macron’s communications techniques. including his outreach to NEETs and gamers:

    • Agree: Dieter Kief
  187. @Republic

    Agreed. I was just trying to be conservative.

  188. @Colin Wright

    Turkey and Malaysia aren’t Arab and North African Muslim. It’s as much as about the biology as the religion, so let me restate:

    I don’t believe that a France that’s 35% Arab and North African Muslim and 25% Sub-Saharan African descent could function anything like a 1st World European nation, if at all.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  189. @unpc downunder

    In other words you’re a complacent America Alone type thinker.

    Not sure where you got that. I said that the United States was farther down the road to white displacement.

    Dissing “socialist” Europe and defending right-liberal America.

    Once again, not sure where you’re getting this. I didn’t bring up politics, just demographics. Also, I think that socialism works fine in 95%+ white countries. Sweden back in the day was just fine. Idiot CivNats in the U.S. always blame socialism for NAM failure. The truth is that white function pretty well in almost any non-extreme economic system, while NAMs fail under any economic system.

    However, if current political trends are anything to go by, its more likely Europe will be the one standing alone.

    Parts of Europe, yes. France, no.

    Firstly, Muslim birthrates in Europe and the Middle Eastern are falling quite dramatically, in part because most Muslims live in big cities where large families are a liability. Secondly, most European governments are cutting immigration levels, and are under increasing pressure to cut them further.

    In case you didn’t notice, I was writing about France, not all of Europe. I also noted that Muslim birthrates would likely fall to ethnic French rates and that France could tighten immigration. I also showed that it wouldn’t be enough. Most European countries are in much better shape and can fix their problems if they get moving on them.

    The proportional representation system used in most European countries ensures that populist nationalist parties have a gateway to power and will have an increasing influence on the political process.

    Thanks God. It may save them.

    However, labour saving technology is rapidly undermining the need for cheap labour so there is little economic need for further low-skilled immigration (which is why the elites are starting to get on the anti-immigration band wagon).

    That won’t stop immigration. The immigrants are coming for Europe’s money, not job and Europeans are letting them in because of guilt, not for workers.

    It is the colonial Anglo countries that are most threatened by non-white immigration. We have no populist/nationalist parties opposed to non-white immigration and the centre right is just as keen on racial replacement as the centre-left (probably more so in Australia and New Zealand). This is because our neoliberal elites with their short-term mentality are hell bent on making money by selling land and assets to foreigners. They have forgotten the common sense maxim that there is no such thing a free lunch.

    Colonial whites in North America and Australia are in danger of becoming piggy in the middle. Paying taxes to support a NAM underclass while having to toil for hard-headed East Asians who have little respect for western free speech, workers rights, or the “nobility” of skilled manual labour.

    Agreed.

    As a lower-middle class white, I’d rather live in a country that is 10 percent stroppy Muslim than 70 percent mercantile Asian and anti-white NAM. At least the former can be contained in urban ghettos.

    So would I. However, in France, it won’t be 10% Arab and North African Muslim. It’ll be a minimum of 25%, plus another 10%-15% Sub-Saharan African and likely 30%-35% Muslim and ~20% African. In that case, I’d rather live in the 70% Asian country.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  190. @Corvinus

    For readers of Corny, please be aware that he’s a Jew who believes that gentile whites are largely (if not solely) responsible for the underachievement of NAMs due to slavery and discrimination. He also believes that there are inconsequential genetic differences among the various races (population groups)., i.e. he’s mostly a blank slate believer.

    Naturally, none of this makes what he says correct or incorrect. Just be aware of his feelings toward you and his ultimate goal of a multi-everything country where gentile whites will be a persecuted minority. Once you realize Corny’s true intentions, his tortuous comments become more understandable.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  191. @FvS

    1. I’ve managed to locate a recent photo of the individual often known as “Cognitively-Crippled Corvinus.”

    Looks huwhyte to me!

    2. Corvinus is promoting a variant of the “Irish used to be Negroes, then they magically morphed into Whites” trope — a long-discredited semitic canard first introduced by the notorious anti-White (((Noel Ignatiev))).

    The narrative purpose of Ignatiev’s comically-counterfactual canard was a combination of
    -standard semitic D & C tactics
    -promoting the underlying “race is a social construct” false meme, since the Irish and English are quite similar genetically, but divided by religion and culture.

    Ignatiev was best known for his inveterate promotion of virulent, genocidal anti-White hate propaganda throughout his academic career.

    Ignatiev typically deployed the “My Fellow White People” trope in a similar manner to Corvinus’ feeble, flailing, failed efforts at crypsis — otherwise known as

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Aggressive_mimicry

    Here’s the Sulzberger Blog making a determined effort to reinforce Ignatiev’s patently-ludicrous claim that he is “merely a pathetic self-hating White — not an outsider driven by instinctive fear and hatred of the indigenous peoples of Europe as the demonized Other… HONEST!”

    https://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/16/magazine/questions-for-noel-ignatiev.html

    It’s there first priority — right at the top:

    “Q: You’re white. Do you hate your own hide?”

    Etc. But Ignatiev’s toxic, hate-filled semitism oozes out onto the page, despite their best efforts.

    3. Steve Sailer had a good response to this long-debunked “Irish used to be Negroes” canard:

    “After all, who can forget how just moments after Charles Carroll of Carrollton, perhaps the richest man in America, signed the Declaration of Independence, he was discovered to be Irish Catholic and so John Adams auctioned him off into slavery to Thomas Jefferson?”

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Charles_Carroll_of_Carrollton

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  192. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    CITIZEN

    “Socialism”

    Socialism tends to see society as a family which only works in Japan or Norway when a population is homogeneous. Socialism with Africans or Muslims is like when your little brother is a crackhead loser who steals from your Mom, gets beaten up for owing dealers money on your doorstep and is arrested for robbery in the middle of Thanksgiving. You throw money at him to get him into rehab, maybe give him a job at you uncle’s business or whatever. But in the end, his addiction tears the family apart.

    America was never anything but a capitalist system full of people who never really much like one another to begin with.

    “Muslims”

    Muslims probably won’t take over the US. Despite being responsible for the wars in the ME that spurred the immigration crisis, the US is unwilling to cope with Muslims. A fourth underclass would sink us. We’ve already got the Mestizos, blacks and trailer trash. Jews are aware of this too.

    “Piggy in the middle”

    East Asians and high-Caste Indians are used to being at the top of the tree. Unlike English tradespeople who moved to Australia to get away from the class system or European peasants who became middle-class American bourgeois the Asians never pretended to have such motivations.

    When blacks and other NAM groups discover how little the Asians are prepared to give them (Which would be zero if they ran the US or Australia) then they would react badly. See black vs Korean tensions in the LA ghetto which eventually resulted in blacks burning Korean businesses down to the ground and Korean shopkeepers shooting blacks like dogs, which is essentially what they regard them as.

    “France”

    France may implode.

  193. Corvinus says:
    @FvS

    “Of white Europeans, as intended. Notice how it doesn’t say “free white Anglo-Saxon Protestant.””

    Of white Europeans of solid character. Southern and Eastern Europeans did not fit that criteria.

    Are you supporting magic dirt?

    That was the original intention of our Founding Fathers. Note that Benjamin Franklin was markedly negative toward Germans infiltrating America.

    “Not being used to Liberty, they know not how to make a modest use of it.

    They were not that intelligent.

    “Those who come hither are generally of the most ignorant Stupid Sort of their own Nation.”

    He also questioned the “whiteness” of several Europeans.

    ”“[T]he Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted.”

    Is Franklin wrong?

    • Replies: @Franklin Ryckaert
    , @FvS
  194. Corvinus says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    “For readers of Corny, please be aware that he’s a Jew who believes that gentile whites are largely (if not solely) responsible for the underachievement of NAMs due to slavery and discrimination.”

    No, that is what YOU are conjuring up. It’s easier that way to say I am Jewish. Then your gal pals can jump in. You and others are making this claim merely because I am challenging your assertions and position. In this manner, you do not have to think. Your evidence? My blog postings.

    Do not white people have agency? Are they able to make their own decisions about race and culture? OR, if they do not adhere to your line of thinking, are they automatically labeled “cucks” and “race traitors” in your world? How are you any different than an SJW or Cultural Marxist in this regard?

    “He also believes that there are inconsequential genetic differences among the various races (population groups)., i.e. he’s mostly a blank slate believer.”

    Actually, I believe that genetics and environment BOTH play an important role.

    “Naturally, none of this makes what he says correct or incorrect. Just be aware of his feelings toward you and his ultimate goal of a multi-everything country where gentile whites will be a persecuted minority. Once you realize Corny’s true intentions, his tortuous comments become more understandable.”

    You are in the vortex known as an echo chamber. That is where you reside. How does it feel living in the land of confirmation bias?

  195. Corvinus says:
    @James Forrestal

    Please note that all you are doing here is obfuscating and deflecting. It’s not about you.

    Rather, it is about the cause, which you are failing miserably in promoting. If you are unable to muster up a clear definition with examples, it only demonstrates impotence.

    Remember, the WASPs built this nation. Other groups were interlopers according to nativists. Why are you desperately trying to come to the defense of non-WASPs, which includes Jews? Why are you supporting “magic dirt”?

    “promoting the underlying “race is a social construct” false meme, since the Irish and English are quite similar genetically, but divided by religion and culture.”

    Yet that division is overpowering!

    “Steve Sailer had a good response to this long-debunked “Irish used to be Negroes” canard”

    Sailer is ignoring history for his own designs.

    https://www.pitt.edu/~hirtle/uujec/white.html

    Here are descriptions of the Irish as being subhuman. Are these depictions wrong?

    “[T]hey steal, they are cruel and bloody, full of revenge, and delighting in deadly execution, licentious, swearers and blasphemers, common ravishers of women, and murderers of children.” —Edmund Spencer

    “The emigrants who land at New York, whether they remain in that city or come on in the interior, are not merely ignorant and poor—which might be their misfortune rather than their fault—but they are drunken, dirty, indolent, and riotous, so as to be the objects of dislike and fear to all in whose neighbourhood they congregate in large numbers.” —James Silk Buckingham

    Recall that in 1798, Congress passed three “Alien Acts” based mainly on fears of Irish-Catholic, anti-immigrant sentiment. These new laws gave the president the power to stop immigration from any country at war with the U.S. and the right to deport any immigrant, and made it harder for immigrants to vote. Then, again in the late 1840’s, a nationalist political group called the Know-Nothings sprang from a populist movement of poor whites who were dissatisfied with the two-party system and started the American Party, intent on preserving America’s culture by restricting immigration, especially from Catholic countries—including by Irish Catholics. They managed to get candidates elected into the highest political offices in America, including a president.

    Was this legislation wrong in trying to preserve Heritage Americans, that being WASPs?

    The more that you keep avoiding pertinent, relevant material, the more foolish you look. Try to redeem yourself.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  196. Lo says:
    @Sin City Milla

    This is correct, Crimea was one of the two main slave trade centers. However, I doubt it would be on the scale of Atlantic trade as slaves were mainly used as domestic servants & concubines in rich households mostly concentrated in Istanbul. For a vast majority of people, a slave would just be an extra mouth to feed. As for slavery in Abbasids & Umayyads, I didn’t really look into it, so I wasn’t discussing it.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Sin City Milla
  197. Corvinus says:
    @eah

    ““Wow, just wow” — “LOL” — you act as if you’ve never heard the word “racist” used (or more recently, “punch a Nazi”)”

    Haven’t you heard? Racism observably means nothing anymore since the race baiters on the Left and Right co-opting it for their own purposes.

    “1) white Americans never voted to become a minority in their own country;”

    This phenomenon has nothing to do with “voting”. Demographic changes occur naturally. It’s a force of nature. Although, using your own logic, did Anglo-Saxons vote to become a minority in the land they constructed from scratch? Why were Southern and Eastern Europeans allowed to come here in droves despite nativist objections?

    “2) no open, honest, rational discussion of this issue has been possible for a long, long time”

    Actually, people are having such debate in the manner you prescribe. You just do not like the results.

    “3) you are one of the most intellectually dishonest commenters here.”

    I’m not the one avoiding providing definitions of certain terms!

    “Any dissent on this issue is greeted with vicious moral condemnation (nowadays also often Establishment-sanctioned violence) — most people are of course afraid of this, and successfully intimidated by it”

    So besides lamenting on a blog, what else are you doing about this situation? Are you going on a barnstorming tour with your soapbox in tow? Do you have at least five or more white offspring? Have you thought about running for political office on this platform?

    If not, then you show little dedication to the cause that you supposedly champion.

    “that’s why you get bizarre scenes like übercuck Joe Biden welcoming the displacement of people like him”

    Just like the WASPs who were displaced? Where was their voice? Praytell, were your ancestors from the British Isles, or from other places that were deemed other than desirable by nativists?

    • Replies: @anon
  198. Corvinus says:
    @jeff stryker

    “The highest levels of poverty, whiggerdom, miscegenation, unemployment, post-industrial economic stagnation and all the rest of it are seemingly in the Anglo-Saxon interior of the US.”

    Are you not offering here an anti-White statement?

    “If WASP culture is so great, why are the poorest states and regions WASP?”

    I thought it was the Jews who led this group to denigrate themselves. OR, was it the WASPs own conduct?

  199. @Corvinus

    Your arguments are New Left regurgitations; the same stale boilerplate spewed forth by CNN, NPR, ABC, CBS, NBC, CIA. There’s no need to engage. But I do like to tease you about your obsession with Vox. I’m a conspiracy nut and you have an unrequited love for the squat, bald Native American guy. We all have our cross to bear.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  200. Corvinus says:
    @Sin City Milla

    Off the mark. Africa is a big place n has had many notable states but also many desolate regions where nothing notable occurred. When people say ‘they had a flourishing civilization’, they are usually referring either to North Africa or to Mali. Yes, the wheel was introduced by Romans into most of the Sahara n into Ethiopia, along with writing, but when the Muslim Arabs arrived they preferred camels to wagons. Islamized Africans also introduced organized slave raiding which reached deep into the Congo.

    “There was really nothing much going on south of the equator. No writing, no wheels, no cities, no states, no domesticated animals except for cattle which slowly spread southward along with iron-working.”

    Griots and oral storytelling.

    There were other means of transportation. The wheel was not a necessity here. Jared Diamond covers this aspect.

    Kingdoms with thousands of people in urban areas, with government officials and universities.

    Cattle was an essential domesticated animal. Jared Diamond covers this aspect.

    Regardless, do you Africans should have been subjugated by outsiders? Did not European intrusion lead to an “invade the world, invite the world” dilemma?

    “OTOH cannibalism was widespread, n still occurs today, but of course you won’t see that on cable TV.”

    Not as much as you think.

  201. geokat62 says:

    Demographic changes occur naturally. It’s a force of nature.

    Bahahahahahahahaha!

    See 1965 Immigration Act and the Jewish State’s Immigration Act for “nature” at work.

  202. Corvinus says:
    @Sin City Milla

    “Here we go again. Ethnicity is merely a word if one ignores race…‘Race’ simply refers to a group that share a noticeable degree of genetic similarity. This kind of similarity can be seen in many groups of people around the world at a glance. Italians also share genetic similarities, so they too can be called a ‘race’, tho the similarity would break down as one moves south to Calabria n Sicily.

    Nope. Because at the end of the day, isn’t everything a social construct? I mean, the universe is just brute matter and everything else is a construct of the human mind, in particular the process of abstraction and categorization. Race is linked to biology; ethnicity is linked to culture. Race is a biological and social construct. Ethnicity is a social construct. Ethnicity is the term for the culture of people in a given geographic region, including their language, heritage, religion and customs. To be a member of an ethnic group is to conform to some or all of those practices. In a nutshell, race refers to a group of people who possess similar and distinct physical characteristics, while ethnicity refers to a category of people who regard themselves to be different from other groups based on common ancestral, cultural, national, and social experience.

    Furthermore, natural science consists of mental constructs, created with the objective of explaining sensory experience of our world. Human beings affix labels to make sense of our environment. For example, the California spotted owl is an animal, i.e. biological construct. The scientific name of the creature is a human designation—strix occidentalis. That is, binomial nomenclature refers to a formal system, developed by people, to name species. The California owl was not a “California owl” until someone actually and specifically labeled it.

    Men and women had sought, and continue to seek, to explain sensory experience of our world. Race, biology, ethnicity–all are concepts created by human beings as an organizational tool to offer a consistency about the natural world in which they observe. “Canis” refers to a real thing, but human beings designated that term—canis, which means “dog” in Latin, and also refers to their prominent teeth used for killing their prey. Dogs (like cats) did not magically appear as those animals automatically to human beings. People had to describe the characteristics in a manner that made sense to them by developing criteria to differentiate the species in their natural habitats.

    When it comes to breeds are manufactured through selective breeding (artificial selection). A Boston terrier is an explicitly defined animal: the AKC ultimately decides which dog meets the criteria. I am probably stating the obvious here, but geographic isolation, and natural or sexual selection, have resulted in some alleles in human beings being more frequent in some groups compared to human beings, and ancestry determines the distribution of some genes.

    As far as I know, the major genetic clusters consisted of Europeans/West Asians (whites), sub-Saharan Africans, East Asians, Pacific Islanders, and Native Americans with a discrepancy rate of only 0.14%. It also seems to me that this debate over race as a biological construct–I happen to believe race is both a biological and social construct–originated in the desire to establish the genetic inferiority of some races compared to others.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  203. Corvinus says:
    @James Forrestal

    “Here we see the ignorant, hate-filled anti-White yet again demonstrating the well-known fact that virulent, unreasoning anti-White hatred and toxic semitism are merely two sides of the same slimy shekel. They invariably go together, as in Corvinus’ incoherently-rabid rants…”

    LOL, you are going to the same well. It’s really simple–do you have the mental chops to define specific terms that you liberally employ?

    Why are you avoiding something really simple to do?

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  204. Corvinus says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    “Your arguments are New Left regurgitations; the same stale boilerplate spewed forth by CNN, NPR, ABC, CBS, NBC, CIA.”

    So easy for you to label it in that fashion. Then you can avoid critical thinking. Clearly, you are a walking billboard for confirmation bias.

    “There’s no need to engage.”

    I know, because your flaws would be exposed, and that scares you to death.

    “But I do like to tease you about your obsession with Vox.”

    Not an obsession, just pointing out how and why one of the heavyweights in the Alt Right thinks. See, that is going to be an issue going forward, because if and why this “civil war” occurs in the States, and if and when the “right white side” wins, there will be tremendous in-fighting among the various strands of Alt Right philosophy.

    “you have an unrequited love for the squat, bald Native American guy. We all have our cross to bear.”

    Not love, just merely pointing out what he says and how it challenges your (and others) line of thinking. Interesting how you completely avoid addressing those points. Then again, why should I be surprised?

  205. Whitewolf says:
    @eah

    It’s embarrassing to admit that Whites have given away so much power, wealth and territory because people called them names. We really need to be tougher than that to survive on this planet.

    • Agree: eah
    • Replies: @eah
  206. @Corvinus

    “Is Franklin wrong?”

    If he thought that Swedes and Germans are of a “swarthy complexion” then he certainly was wrong. Eventually all Europeans fit into the traditional immigration lands.
    The Irish, Poles and Italians have all well integrated.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  207. anon[653] • Disclaimer says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Agenda 21 and the recent Marrakech agreement are all steps in the same direction.

    haven’t you heard – Marrakech “isn’t binding”

    • LOL: Commentator Mike
  208. anon[653] • Disclaimer says:
    @Whitewolf

    too true

    just like the middle east arabs and their unearned oil wealth, they’re all richer for us

  209. anon[653] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    This phenomenon has nothing to do with “voting”. Demographic changes occur naturally. It’s a force of nature.

    its an invasion by design you f’ing liar

    the U.S. govt spends $700 billion year after year on “defense” and pretends it doesn’t have $25 billion one time for a wall

    jewish NGO’s bringing this trash into white countries

  210. Corvinus says:
    @Franklin Ryckaert

    “If he thought that Swedes and Germans are of a “swarthy complexion” then he certainly was wrong.”

    Wasn’t Franklin simply putting into practice HbD race realism? Was he not comparing WASPs, who have fairer skin, to other groups who are (slightly) darker? Why would he make that statement about their skin tone and their relationship to understanding democratic ideals?

    “Eventually all Europeans fit into the traditional immigration lands. The Irish, Poles and Italians have all well integrated.”

    So you believe in magic dirt, i.e. civic nationalism. Because did not nativists claim that their ways of life would be swamped by outsiders? How are Catholic Poles and Italians able to assimilate to WASP culture? Furthermore, why were the Quota Acts of the 1920’s focused on minimizing the impact of Eastern and Southern Europeans?

    I thought white Europeans were united by their racial identity…

    • Replies: @FvS
  211. @Corvinus

    Here we see the man they call Cognitively-Crippled Corvinus yet again demonstrating his massive deficit in simple short term memory.

    Sad!

    Remember — I demonstrated to you several times, in a manner comprehensible even to one laboring under the severe intellectual limitations that so clearly afflict you… Since repetition is the key to learning — especially for differently-cognitively-abled types like Corvinus — here it is again:

    Virulent, unreasoning anti-White hatred and toxic semitism are merely two sides of the same slimy shekel — as Corvinus has so clearly demonstrated for us.

    Or is this an unusually-incompetent, simplistic attempt at recursive. meaningless (((deconstruction))) from Mr. “B-b-but I’m a GOY! HONEST!”

    What does “what” mean?

    What does “why” mean?

    What does “avoid” mean?

    Etc. — meaningless semitic blabber.

    Not doing much to advance the long-discredited jew IQ supremacism canard, are you?

    • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
  212. @Corvinus

    Well, at least the notoriously ignorant, hate filled White commonly known as Cognitivel-Crippled Corvinus is giving up on its transparently-false attempts to claim goyishe identity — so there’s that.

    Your comically-ignorant claim that Charles Carroll of Carrollton, perhaps the richest man in America, was indeed auctioned off as a slave shortly after he signed the Declaration of Independence, after he was discovered to be Irish Catholic is noted — and dismissed, as is your pathetic “B-b-but you have to hate those other White goyim over there, My Fellow White Person!” blabbering.

    Your convoluted attempt to claim that, because America did not have 100% open borders at all times to every single person of indigenous European heritage throughout its entire history, that “whiteness” is therefore an “intrinsically toxic social construct” which “must be destroyed” — because “the Irish used to be Negroes — from Africa!” has some value as entertainment, but it’s far from shining example of semitic sophistry. Even you can do better than that…

    Note also that Cognitively-Crippled Corvinus instinctively, compulsively supports his fellow tribesman Ignatiev’s anti-White canards — and utilizes exactly the same “My Fellow White People” technique to do it. Innate? Cultural? A combination? One wonders…

    https://infogalactic.com/info/Aggressive_mimicry

    Always remember:

    1. Repetition is the key to learning — especially for Cognitively-Crippled Corvinus, and

    2. Toxic, hate-filled semitism and virulent, unreasoning hatred are merely two sides of the same slimy shekel:

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  213. eah says:
    @Whitewolf

    Things are changing — the last few years have awakened many Whites to what is going on, and what is at stake.

  214. eah says:
    @eah

    “punch a Nazi” aka a Trump supporter

  215. @jeff stryker

    ‘…If we are to gauge the bible belt or South the Anglo-Saxon would seemingly be one of the poorest white groups in America…’

    That set off a train of thought.

    What if we were able to somehow statistically rank socio-ethnic groups by the ratio of their income to how hard they worked. After all, Jews and American-born Asians are wealthy — but few would deny they work hard. Hispanics often work absurdly hard: the family where the mother has a full-time job and the father has two full-time jobs is a standard. Yes, you too can gross $5000 a month on $10 an hour — just work five hundred hours.

    The poor whites around here tend to be pretty hard workers, actually.

    I wonder where blacks would rank — once we expressed it as income received for hours worked?

  216. @eah

    If this sorry display, comprised of a panoply of internet-addled misfits, is indication of an incipient Great White Awakening, then that movement is already doomed.

    And I say this as somebody who is deeply sympathetic to their concerns.

    • Replies: @eah
  217. anon[653] • Disclaimer says:
    @eah

    that was a little disappointing though

    they should have been calling him an anti-white racist jew and they should have stayed there until they shut him down and ran him out of town

  218. eah says:
    @eah

    Part of the problem: Whites have allowed themselves to be shamed out of any sense of identity.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  219. eah says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Don’t be too cynical — the action itself is a bit questionable, to be sure — ‘not ideal optics’ — perhaps it would have been better to allow the event to happen, then aggressively ask sharply pointed questions (surely there would have been a Q&A session with the audience at some point) — but the positives are obvious: they’re not afraid, they didn’t wear masks like cowardly antifa types, and while they disrupted the meeting, they did not commit violence — I know the video has gotten millions of views, perhaps many disaffected Whites have seen or will see it, and may take some encouragement from it.

  220. Anonymous[114] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lo

    All men were castrated, how delightful, how nice, how tolerant. You muslims really can’t into history.

    Plus there was more slaves from Europe taken by Muslims than Africans by slavers, you don’t need to do constant slave raids when you, you know, don’t castrate enslaved men, let them to have kids and so.
    And if you find a video on you tube, you can see that mohamadan swines treated their African slaves way worse in 50s then Americans ever did.

    Only thing you’re right is about extra mouth to feed, something mohamadans were never good at. At some point Ottoman caliph was spending almost 3% of budget on his harem.

    • Replies: @Lo
  221. Corvinus says:
    @James Forrestal

    You are literally going off the rails.

    It’s really simple–do you have the mental chops to define specific terms that you liberally employ?

    Why are you avoiding something really simple to do?

  222. Corvinus says:
    @eah

    “Part of the problem: Whites have allowed themselves to be shamed out of any sense of identity.”

    Perhaps whites in general have their own identity that you think they ought not create for themselves. Do whites have that liberty to map out their own life, or must they consult with you about their choices?

    • Replies: @Whitewolf
  223. @Sin City Milla

    Good comment.

    I hope you get over that cutesy adolescent “n” business. You aren’t doing yourself any favors.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  224. Lo says:
    @Anonymous

    Who said I was Muslim? Where did you get that all men were castrated? Only blacks who were supposed to watch over harem were castrated. Besides, why so angry anyway did they force feed you the African scrotums?

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  225. @Lo

    The African scrotum force fed.

    Now that is a terrible image….

  226. Whitewolf says:
    @Corvinus

    European is an identity. In a multi-ethnic/racial state/world if you don’t have loyalty to your race/ethnic group you will be dominated by those that do and work together against you as an individual.

    How powerful would the US military be if all the soldiers were just working as individuals? It would effectively cease to exist as the US military and even the smallest country would be able to dominate against any US soldier they chose to attack. Sure they’d be free to map out their own life without the strict discipline of the US military but they’d have other hostile forces to deal with, alone.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  227. @Endgame Napoleon

    I’m afraid the situation in Japan has changed for the worse. Last December Abe’s “conservative” government changed Japanese immigration laws.

    The revised law marked a drastic policy shift in immigration-shy Japan, paving the way for an influx of an estimated 340,000 foreign workers in the five years after the new visa system comes into effect in April next year.

    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/12/07/national/politics-diplomacy/japan-set-enact-controversial-immigration-bill-paving-way-foreign-worker-influx/

    That’s 340,000 low-skilled foreign workers, some of whom will be eligble to bring their families. They will stay for a period of 5-10 years, though I suspect they will about as “temporary” as Germany’s infamous guest workers were. Recent news seems to suggest things are heading in that direction.

    TL;DR the great replacement has begun in Japan.

  228. Corvinus says:
    @Whitewolf

    “European is an identity.”

    That a number of white Americans directly relate to. However, they also have their own distinguishing characteristics. Do not white people have the liberty to choose their own path here?

    “In a multi-ethnic/racial state/world if you don’t have loyalty to your race/ethnic group you will be dominated by those that do and work together against you as an individual.”

    How about an individual’s loyalty to themselves, their friends, and their family? Do not white people have the liberty to make their own decisions in this area? Moreover, you are assuming that today’s races/ethnic groups are decidedly combative. Although, you do realize that the WASPs were inundated by Southern/Eastern Europeans in the late 1800’s/early 1900’s, right? Were the nativists wrong in labeling Poles, Slavs, and Italians as being the “wrong type of European”?

    “How powerful would the US military be if all the soldiers were just working as individuals?”

    Except the mandate of the armed forces is discipline and unity. With race, those traits are not requirements. So you are not providing an apt comparison.

    So, do whites have that liberty to map out their own life, or must they consult with you about their choices?

  229. @Colin Wright

    He is referring to the biological adpect of things. There is no way a nation with that much Subsaharsb sdmixture will work out, and maintain the statr left by thr original France. Malay, Tamild, and Han Chinese make up Malaysia. Not Arabs, or North Africans.

  230. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I agree on the Subsaharan part, but there are Arab countries like Lebanon, Jordan and Algeria whatnot that have high HDIs themselves without the massive amount of natural reserves. If they are able to reach this position by themselves….

  231. @Concerned Australian

    It should be noted that the biggest advocates for “diversity” in Japan are not the Japanese themselves (obviously), nor even the “refugees”. The culprits are white liberal gaijin and NGOs which have been clamoring to enlighten Japan with the Western cult of the 69 genders, self-enforced national/ethnic shame, endless intra-demographical grievances, sexual deviancy, ethnic replacement, and destruction of traditional culture. Busybody twits who view their adopted countries patronizingly, thereby presenting them with an illusory “need” to proselytize their gospel of death.

    Japan is not the only victim, sadly. These same people are making deep inroads into South Korea and even China. Taiwan is well along that same path. Barring some major disruption of present historical trajectories, the malaise will eventually spread to Southeast Asia, too.

  232. FvS says:
    @Corvinus

    Of white Europeans of solid character. Southern and Eastern Europeans did not fit that criteria.

    Most did. I suppose you could make the case we should have been more stringent in our screening process. Of course, it was difficult in those days.

    Is Franklin wrong?

    Yes, but it seems most of his compatriots did not see things the same way. Again, why didn’t they just limit immigration to Anglo-Saxon Protestants if that was the only group everyone thought of as white?
    What the U.S. proved is that Europeans could put behind them the past divisions and come together in peace. This worked because Europeans are racially and culturally similar, at least when compared to any other group.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  233. FvS says:
    @Corvinus

    Wasn’t Franklin simply putting into practice HbD race realism? Was he not comparing WASPs, who have fairer skin, to other groups who are (slightly) darker? Why would he make that statement about their skin tone and their relationship to understanding democratic ideals?

    Plenty of English are a bit darker. Quite simply, Franklin was not and never has been the ultimate arbiter of racial matters. He certainly did not mind the French at all.

    So you believe in magic dirt, i.e. civic nationalism. Because did not nativists claim that their ways of life would be swamped by outsiders? How are Catholic Poles and Italians able to assimilate to WASP culture? Furthermore, why were the Quota Acts of the 1920’s focused on minimizing the impact of Eastern and Southern Europeans?

    Because the United States was ethnically and religiously diverse from the start and didn’t have centuries of history, the ability to welcome many different European sub-races and ethnic groups was not nearly as difficult as it would have been in had something similar been tried in an established European country. Sure, there was some resistance to welcoming certain groups, but it is currently exaggerated for political purposes. “Civic nationalism” only works when the people in question are racially/ethnically similar and when the experimental country is in its infancy. Surely, you understand that an Italian has more racially/culturally in common with a Norwegian than they do with an American Indian, Asian, African, or Arab? And before we get into a debate about the racial make-up of Italians, let me assure you that the Berber gene marker is found in a very low percentage.

    Regardless, this idea that we must let Mexicans conquer the United States because we let Italians immigrate in the past is completely ridiculous.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @jeff stryker
  234. FvS says:

    In case anyone is interested, this is what the National Socialists thought about who was to be considered “Aryan.”

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  235. Corvinus says:
    @FvS

    “Most did. I suppose you could make the case we should have been more stringent in our screening process. Of course, it was difficult in those days.”

    Then why were there quotas for Southern and Eastern Europeans compared to Northern and Western Europeans in the 1920’s if those groups were of solid character? Why were nativists insistent that the Poles, Italians, and Slavs would “dumb down” our nation if they were injected into the body politic?

    It seems you are supporting the proposition nation if you believe most Southern and Eastern Europeans were of “quality stock” despite WASP protestations.

    “Yes, but it seems most of his compatriots did not see things the same way.”

    Interesting. Franklin, who it seems is taking a “race realist” approach, is “wrong”. So, in a similar fashion, if white nationalists take the Franklin approach, and their white brethren oppose, then we could argue that “most of their compatriots” did not see “eye to eye”, right? Is there anything inherently wrong with holding that attitude?

    “Again, why didn’t they just limit immigration to Anglo-Saxon Protestants if that was the only group everyone thought of as white?”

    Because Congress needed cheap labor to work in the factories. And once the Irish and the Italians and the Poles came knocking down our doors, and set up shop in the States, nativists found out the true nature of those groups.

    “What the U.S. proved is that Europeans could put behind them the past divisions and come together in peace.”

    At the expense of WASP culture. Remember, they build up our nation. Why should other groups take credit? Perhaps your own ancestors came from undesirable places, but then “magically” became American?

    “This worked because Europeans are racially and culturally similar, at least when compared to any other group.”

    Similar? Not sure about that. Hans F. K. Günther, in his work Kleine Rassenkunde des deutschen Volkes (1929), came up with five sub-races: Nordic, Alpine, Mediterranean, East Baltic, and Dinaric. He defined each subtype general physical appearance and their psychological qualities including their “racial soul” – referring to their emotional traits and religious beliefs, and provided detailed information on their hair, eye, and skin colors, facial structure, and body type, as well as their typical behaviors. On the lower end of the totem pole, those groups were identified as possessing undesirable traits.

    Furthermore, the Anglo-Saxons were insistent that certain European groups were utterly incapable of understanding republican values. Even Alt-Right leader Vox Day makes the case–Europeans, most notably the **Germans, the Irish, the Italians, and the Polish**, lack the ability to comprehend and put into practice Anglo-Saxon ideals. Yet, those same people whose ancestors had been deemed “unfit” for American inclusion by nativists in the 1850’s and 1890’s, today claim to possess the inherent qualities required to perpetuate Western Civilization. Nativists held those groups** in contempt for “alien ways of life”, yet by the power of magic dirt, those groups** have transformed themselves into one of the natives.

    You do understand the hypocrisy here, right?

  236. @Miro23

    I’m just old enough to remember when white-collar types didn’t have to work more than 40 hours a week–if you call three-martini lunches working!–and therefore had time on the weekends to mow their own lawns. Or else, they would just pay some kid down the block to do it for ’em. Either way, their lawns still got mowed without wetbacks.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  237. @James Forrestal

    I’m undecided as to whether Corvinus is a Jew or a self-hating goy. There are also times when I wonder if he’s a middle-caste Hindu like ‘Thomm’.

  238. @eah

    I’d never heard of the Legion of St. Ambrose before. I just checked out their website. Looks interesting!

    https://losa83.home.blog/legion-of-saint-ambrose/

  239. Miro23 says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    That sounds like 1950’s USA – pre digital/internet/outsourcing and pre mass Latino immigration.

    With serious borders, ethnic unity and a Chinese style dedication to technical education and industry, the US could have maintained the position it had in 1950 as the world’s leading industrial power.

    Instead it got Rock & Roll and the Hippies, and partied from 1957 to 11th September 2001. Now the house is a mess, everything is broken, no one is offering to clear up, and half the “open doors” guests have decided to move in.

  240. Corvinus says:
    @FvS

    “Plenty of English are a bit darker.”

    But they were English.

    “Quite simply, Franklin was not and never has been the ultimate arbiter of racial matters.”

    Why not? Was he not a wise man on a number of different fronts? What is your argument that he was not employing “race realism”?

    Although, using your own logic, if Franklin was not this “ultimate arbiter”, then the Sailers and Derbyshires and Vox Days of the world are also not the “exclusive keepers” of racial matters.

    “He certainly did not mind the French at all.”

    Are not masculine men entitled to a guilty pleasure here and there?

    “Because the United States was ethnically and religiously diverse from the start…”

    Wait, what? America…ethnically and religiously….DIVERSE? You do realize you are engaging in heresy on this blog, right?

    “European sub-races”

    Which are?

    and ethnic groups was not nearly as difficult as it would have been in had something similar been tried in an established European country. Sure, there was some resistance to welcoming certain groups, but it is currently exaggerated for political purposes.

    ““Civic nationalism” only works when the people in question are racially/ethnically similar and when the experimental country is in its infancy.”

    Since when? Who has made this case that the values of freedom, tolerance, equality, and individual rights only “work” for “like peoples”?

    “Surely, you understand that an Italian has more racially/culturally in common with a Norwegian…”

    Not according to the Italian or Norwegian, and assuredly not to the nativist! Besides, why would WASPs make concerted efforts to paint Italians, for example, as NOT having a number of things in common?

    “And before we get into a debate about the racial make-up of Italians, let me assure you that the Berber gene marker is found in a very low percentage.”

    Regardless of their “gene marker”, Italians were considered on the low end of the European ethnic totem pole and were considered to be “rats” that ought to be “drowned”. Of course, I do not feel that way, but that was the sentiment at the time. Were people in error for such harsh attitudes? Refer to the “Mascot” visual.

    https://thereformedbroker.com/2017/01/29/to-my-jewish-irish-asian-and-italian-friends/

    “Regardless, this idea that we must let Mexicans conquer the United States because we let Italians immigrate in the past is completely ridiculous.”

    Except Mexicans aren’t “conquering” anyone. Although, did not the WASPs feel similarly about non-WASPs? So why should we give a free pass to their ancestors if it was believed that they would hasten the demise of our WASP created nation?

    Do you believe in magic dirt?

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @FvS
  241. Corvinus says:
    @FvS

    LOL, you are getting bamboozled.

    Wikipedia…

    “Benito Mussolini viewed the Slavic race as inferior and barbaric. He identified the Yugoslavs (Croats) as a threat to Italy and he viewed them as competitors over the region of Dalmatia, which was claimed by Italy, and he claimed that the threat rallied Italians together at the end of World War I: “The danger of seeing the Jugo-Slavians settle along the whole Adriatic shore had caused a bringing together in Rome of the cream of our unhappy regions. Students, professors, workmen, citizens—representative men—were entreating the ministers and the professional politicians”.

    “Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party regarded Slavic countries (especially Poland, Russia, and Serbia) and their peoples as non-Aryan Untermenschen (subhumans), they were deemed to be foreign nations that could not be considered part of the Aryan master race. There were exceptions for some minorities in these states which were deemed by the Nazis to be the descendants of ethnic German settlers and not Slavs who were willing to be Germanized. Hitler considered the Slavs to be inferior, because the Bolshevik Revolution had put the Jews in power over the mass of Slavs, who were, by his own definition, incapable of ruling themselves but were instead being ruled by Jewish masters.”

    • Replies: @anon
    , @FvS
  242. anon[411] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    LOL, you are getting bamboozled.

    Wikipedia says…

    lol

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  243. @FvS

    FvS

    Italians interacted with Native Americans far better than Norwegians did.

    Norwegians fought a few Natives in Canada, kidnapped some squaws and got chased away by the Skraelings.

    • Replies: @Lo
  244. @Corvinus

    CORVINUS

    There is about as much Berber in your average Italian-American as there is Cherokee in your average white Southerner if we are going to get down to non-white blood.

    Just like you can see the Cherokee in SOME white Southerners like Burt Reynolds, you can see the Arab in Stallone or Pacino. Sicilians are something like 13% Semitic.

    There is some overlap. Italian-Americans sometimes play Hispanics (John Turturro and Pacino) and some Cubans play Italians-Andy Garcia has played far more Italians than Cubans and he and Pacino look so alike that they played relatives in GODFATHER III.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  245. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    I’ll take it that you lack the gumption and guile to offer a cogent rebuttal.

    • Replies: @anon
  246. Corvinus says:
    @jeff stryker

    “There is about as much Berber in your average Italian-American as there is Cherokee in your average white Southerner if we are going to get down to non-white blood.”

    Does the average white American care? Should they?

    “Just like you can see the Cherokee in SOME white Southerners like Burt Reynolds, you can see the Arab in Stallone or Pacino. Sicilians are something like 13% Semitic. There is some overlap. Italian-Americans sometimes play Hispanics (John Turturro and Pacino) and some Cubans play Italians-Andy Garcia has played far more Italians than Cubans and he and Pacino look so alike that they played relatives in GODFATHER III.”

    Thanks for the red herring.

    So, do you believe in magic dirt? Have any substantive comment to what I posed?

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  247. @Corvinus

    CORVINUS

    Yeah, I was giving the straight up facts on genetic markers in Italian-Americans. And I actually don’t disagree that this admixture-possibly Arabic, possibly Lebanese-is the reason for mob violence in cities like North Jersey or Philly.

    But…so-called “Heritage Americans” are worse off in the US interior or South than Italian-Americans on the East Coast, or Greeks in Massachusetts or Cubans of Spanish descent in Miami who preside over a thriving Miami (At least for them) while the descendants of British sailors in the North Florida pine barrens live in comparative poverty.

    And here is the real question you can answer.

    If Ben Franklin was right, why are cities full of Italians and Jews and Irish-Catholics powering the GDP on the East Coast?

    Whose on welfare? The Italian-Americans of surrounding the Beltway and Manhattan or the Heritage Americans in Southern Indiana?

    Why is it that after 1880 everyone else overtook the Heritage Americans. Who the hell wants to move to the US interior? To the extent that anybody still immigrates to America, it is to cities on the East and West Coast.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  248. @Sean

    Spectacularly Good comment!

    Rotherham voted FOR Brexit!!! The net effect of which will be to INCREASE the % of swarthoid orc child rapists vs White Europeans.

    Yeh kun taahk t’ tarded donkeh out pit, bou yeh caahn tek pit ow donkeh!!!

  249. Lo says:
    @jeff stryker

    To Northerners, the world and everything in it is the enemies, they don’t understand the concept of not having enemies that’s why they always seek enemies. If there was no outside threat, real or imaginary, Northern barbarians would turn against each other in no time. Therefore it is no surprise that mild-mannered, highly civilized Italians would get along better with anyone compared to the former.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @anon
  250. @Lo

    I would wager that Sicily has more feuds and vendettas than Norway.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  251. Corvinus says:
    @jeff stryker

    “And I actually don’t disagree that this admixture-possibly Arabic, possibly Lebanese-is the reason for mob violence in cities like North Jersey or Philly.”

    How are you certain that this admixture is the cause for the Italian’s propensity for violence? You could speculate, but you really do not know.

    “But…so-called “Heritage Americans” are worse off in the US interior or South than Italian-Americans on the East Coast, or Greeks in Massachusetts or Cubans of Spanish descent in Miami who preside over a thriving Miami (At least for them) while the descendants of British sailors in the North Florida pine barrens live in comparative poverty.”

    Not “so-called”. No need to use parentheses around “Heritage Americans”. WASPs built this nation. A number of prominent Alt Right thinkers are of that mentality. Could it not be that the WASPs current problems are the result of letting in too many inferior peoples? Again, do you believe in magic dirt?

    “If Ben Franklin was right, why are cities full of Italians and Jews and Irish-Catholics powering the GDP on the East Coast?”

    So who are these individual stalwarts that you are referring to?

    “Whose on welfare? The Italian-Americans of surrounding the Beltway and Manhattan or the Heritage Americans in Southern Indiana?”

    Again, more anti-white rhetoric. Why are you sowing discord here?

    “Why is it that after 1880 everyone else overtook the Heritage Americans.”

    Heritage Americans got swamped. For the love of God, do you believe in magic dirt?

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  252. AaronB says:
    @jeff stryker

    “Mild mannered” Italians who get along with everyone…. 🙂

    Some people…

    • Replies: @Lo
  253. @Corvinus

    I don’t sow discord. I ask questions.

    Do I believe in magic dirt? Well for some Irish-Americans, Italians and Jews it has been. And Asians in Silicone Valley. And Cubans in Miami. Iranians in Los Angeles.

    But for Americans of colonial descent, I am not sure.

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  254. anon[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lo

    or maybe northerners just don’t want lazy, low IQ parasites like you?

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  255. Lo says:
    @anon

    Italy has a higher average IQ than all Northern countries fool.

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  256. Lo says:
    @AaronB

    While Vikings, Germans, Anglos, and French were massacring and raping each other for centuries (not to mention other people), Italians were trading with everyone, advancing arts and sciences. Moreover, they settled in many countries and established trade routes. That requires civility, mild nature and high level of organizational skills. Unlike sailing somewhere to pillage and destroy.

  257. Corvinus says:
    @jeff stryker

    “I don’t sow discord. I ask questions.”

    Don’t know about that, some of your responses would be considered anti-white around these parts.

    “Do I believe in magic dirt? Well for some Irish-Americans, Italians and Jews it has been. And Asians in Silicone Valley. And Cubans in Miami. Iranians in Los Angeles.”

    OK.

    “But for Americans of colonial descent, I am not sure.”

    OK.

    But what about YOU? What is YOUR position on magic dirt? What do you think about Civic Nationalism? Because it appears that you are supportive of such concepts, which to some people is treasonous to the cause of white people.

  258. Corvinus says:
    @Lo

    Wait, I thought white people got along with one another. I thought that when the civil war happens in America, say by 2033, that white people will unite and collectively go all Hulk on Jews, liberals, and vibrants and reclaim America in the name of Western Civilization.

    At least that’s what Alt Right leaders tell us.

    • Replies: @Lo
    , @anon
  259. Lo says:
    @Corvinus

    Frankly, it is not a topic I am interested in. Most of these discussions are far below me, I visit this site to read Linh Dinh, and a couple of other writers, also to skim articles from both ends of the spectrum as you tend to hear what’s not being talked about when you look at edges, so that I can reach my own conclusions. There are also a few interesting commenters. But yeah, it appears some think if only Jews, Latinos, Arabs, Japanese, Italians, Chinese, Muslims, Koreans, Russians, Irish, Buddhists etc. would leave the US they would have a great life.

  260. anon[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    do i have to explain it to you?

    accuses someone else of being bamboozled then proceeds to reference wikipedia

  261. anon[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Lo

    doubtful unless you’re counting only the northern half

  262. AaronB says:
    @Lo

    Umm, you’re out of your mind.

    Don’t get me wrong. I like Italians and admire Italian culture, and I certainly am not saying Northern Europeans were less violent.

    But I did get a good laugh 🙂

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  263. anon[326] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Wait, I thought white people got along with one another.

    you reveal yourself here, either a non-white or not a friend of whites overall

    probably a jew

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  264. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    “you reveal yourself here, either a non-white or not a friend of whites overall…probably a jew”

    Nope. Goy. Pure goy. Obviously, you have to label me in that fashion because that is all you are capable of. It is easier that way rather than address specific points. Basically, anyone who opposes you is your “enemy”.

    Pray tell, what is your definition of anti-white? In what specific areas do you consider a person not to be a “friend of whites”? Please enlighten me with examples.

    “do i have to explain it to you? accuses someone else of being bamboozled then proceeds to reference wikipedia”

    Disprove what was found in the source, not the source itself. Can you try to do that?

  265. @Lo

    LO

    The impression that the few Amerindian genes in Icelanders and bronze coins in Maine suggests is that the Micmac just wanted Eric the Red to go and traded a few squaws (Genetic studies indicate that one or two Micmac women returned to Iceland with the Vikings) and some bow and arrows and that this was the end of it.

    Also, Vikings knew they were not going to defeat entire tribes of braves with one longboat of Vikings.

    You are right that by 1500 Italians and Spanish had long traded with various other countries and it was not a huge leap to continue this in the New World.

  266. @AaronB

    AARON

    Italians make better criminals that white trash. That was why RICO was invented. When the capo in North Jersey is pulled over by the police, he does not have crystal meth and stolen property in his car.

    Most Italian criminals are in middle age before they go to prison.

    If you watch that old Burt Reynolds film SHARKY’S MACHINE, where the Atlanta redneck police try to root out a Mob boss, at one point Reynolds rages impotently against Gassman saying “You’re from out of state!”

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  267. FvS says:
    @Corvinus

    But they were English.

    Yes, but among the English you have Anglo-Saxons, Normans, and the more ancient British types. Different sub-races. So, many English are non-white by Franklin’s own definition.

    Why not? Was he not a wise man on a number of different fronts? What is your argument that he was not employing “race realism”?

    He was employing race realism in that he understood there are different European caucasoid sub-races. However, as history has shown, the term white was used to mean all European caucasoids. Why can’t you get it through your skull that the 1790 Naturalization Act did not limit citizenship to Anglo-Saxon Protestants? Clearly, not everyone in the government sided with Benjamin Franklin.

    Although, using your own logic, if Franklin was not this “ultimate arbiter”, then the Sailers and Derbyshires and Vox Days of the world are also not the “exclusive keepers” of racial matters.

    Never said they were. In the end, it is a matter of some subjectivity as to which European caucasoid sub-races should be included under the “white” label. I, and many others, prefer to include all of them. That doesn’t mean they are all equal.

    Wait, what? America…ethnically and religiously….DIVERSE? You do realize you are engaging in heresy on this blog, right?

    There were English, Scotts, Irish, Germans, French, Dutch, etc. in the U.S. from the start. There were also Protestants, Protestant offshoots (Quakers), and Catholics.

    Which are?

    I’ll include at bottom of reply.

    Since when? Who has made this case that the values of freedom, tolerance, equality, and individual rights only “work” for “like peoples”?

    The modern United States proves this, with all its hostile groups. Jews, Blacks, Mestizos, Asians, and Muslims all pursue their own groups interests at the expense of whites and each other. There have also been many studies on how diversity lowers social trust and creates conflict. I can link if you wish. The negative effects of multiculturalism and racial diversity are exacerbated the more racially and culturally different the groups in question are. Again, Europeans are more racially and culturally similar to each other than to anyone else. This should be so obvious that I don’t even know why I need to say it. That it why the civic nationalist experiment in the United States, despite some speed bumps, worked so well for so long. Whites are also better able to adhere to abstract ideals, have high IQs, and are more socially courteous.

    Not according to the Italian or Norwegian, and assuredly not to the nativist! Besides, why would WASPs make concerted efforts to paint Italians, for example, as NOT having a number of things in common?

    Are Englishman more racially and culturally similar to Italians, Saudi Arabians, Kenyans, Japanese, or Hondurans?

    Regardless of their “gene marker”, Italians were considered on the low end of the European ethnic totem pole and were considered to be “rats” that ought to be “drowned”. Of course, I do not feel that way, but that was the sentiment at the time. Were people in error for such harsh attitudes? Refer to the “Mascot” visual.

    How widespread were these attitudes, and how did they compare to attitudes towards non-Europeans? Here’s an interesting little record of crimes committed by various ethnic groups in the U.S. Even back then, we can see that Mexicans were more crime prone than anyone else.

    Except Mexicans aren’t “conquering” anyone. Although, did not the WASPs feel similarly about non-WASPs? So why should we give a free pass to their ancestors if it was believed that they would hasten the demise of our WASP created nation?

    They literally are, through immigration (legal and illegal) and breeding. Soon, they will have retaken all the territory they lost after the Mexican-American war. The scale of the mestizo invasion from the South dwarfs anything the nativist WASPs feared from the other Europeans. The numbers aren’t even comparable. Most importantly, the vast majority of Mexicans and Central Americans are non-white mutts who have their own strange fusion of Spanish and Amerindian culture. They are much, much worse than Italians ever were. Many of them worship some kind of death goddess named Santa Muerte.

    [MORE]

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  268. FvS says:
    @jeff stryker

    WASP organized crime is called the CIA.

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  269. FvS says:
    @Corvinus

    Should we believe (((Bendersky))) or the primary source material?

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  270. @FvS

    FvS

    Italians might be a little more macho or emotional than other whites, but you could deal with them.

    When I was down in Phoenix, the Cholos seemed like gnarly-looking Indian zombie scalpers.

    In 2003 I drove around Southern Spain from Madrid to Malaga and there seemed to be no similarity between the Cholos I met in Phoenix and the white people in Spain.

    Spain is not particularly dangerous. You’re probably safer walking down the street in Madrid than a UK suburb as there is no Chav culture where a bunch of teen cider drinkers of 15 might encircle you in numbers sufficient to injure or kill you.

    I’m actually surprised, as laid-backed and reserved as Spanish seem, that they were ever able to conquer Aztecs and other Indians in Latin America.

  271. @FvS

    Pelosi’s father’s connections to the mafia are so well-known that this is common knowledge.

    What is my point.

    Governments and mafias are similar. Sailer noted that.

  272. @Anon

    Yes.
    They are furious.
    And with good cause.
    The elite are stunned. Having abused, taxed and sought to replace these people with impunity for so many decades, they had no idea that they would ever fight back.

  273. @Lo

    It’s been a while since I read about it, but I know that Iran imported many Slav slaves down the Volga, so many that the Volga came to be known as the highway of the slaves. The Islamic khanates of Central Asia / Uzbekistan also imported many slaves from Russia. The Tsars finally put an end to that in the 1860s. I don’t accept that only Istanbul was big on slavery. Arabia, Sudan, Egypt, all had large slave importation for centuries. Zanzibar n Somalia not only kept slaves but were centers of slave trade reaching into central Africa. Then there is the Jewish role in marketing European slaves to the Islamic world, which also lasted centuries. The Children’s Crusade allegedly ended up in Jewish slave ships sold to Algeria n Egypt. i remain skeptical that the Atlantic slave trade was as large as 1400 years of slave trade in the Islamic world, which of course dated to long before Islam appeared.

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  274. @Duke of Dubuque

    It’s not cute. It’s just convenient.

  275. @Whitewolf

    I’m afraid that is true. I am forced to conclude that democracy is the God that failed.

  276. @jeff stryker

    I think this is trying to rationalize away more fundamental differences.

    1) Switzerland is in the middle of Europe, with reliable trade partners and capitol.

    Haiti is in the middle of the Caribbean, a short hop from New Orleans, Miami, n Panama. They should be doing as well as Singapore. If they have no reliable trade partners n no one is willing to invest there, whose fault is that?

    2) Haiti is a former colony with a rocky start. The French essentially abandoned it to slaves with no education, no resources and no money.

    Half the world are former colonies with rocky starts. Germany n Japan were bombed into oblivion, but recovered rapidly. Korea was pillaged by Japan, but look at them now. The French did not abandon Haiti, they were kicked out, their managerial class murdered by black Haitians. Not a great way to boost the economy. Japan, Korea, n Singapore have no resources at all. Santo Domingo had no education, just as few resources, n no money, but they are light years ahead of Haiti.

    3) Haiti had a Mulatto over class.

    All of the Caribbean had n has mixed race classes, but they haven’t sunk to the same poverty as Haiti.

    4) Haiti was one of the worst dictatorships in the world and one reason was that civilians did not have guns.

    Again, half the world have struggled with ‘worst dictatorships’. Most eventually dealt with them; many prospered under dictatorships. But not Haiti, n not most of SSAfrica.

    When everyone is armed, like Switzerland, it is harder for the government to simply terrorize everyone. The first thing Mussolini, Mao, Stalin and every other European dictator does is take people’s guns away from them.

    For centuries Switzerland was a backwater n supplied mercenaries to other countries. But they’ve been at peace n prosperous for at least 200 years. Congo has lots of guns, but has never been at peace or prosperous. Hitler did not confiscate private guns in Germany, the Germans were very well armed under his regime. Mussolini I don’t know about, but actually I doubt he confiscated guns. Fascism encouraged military training for everyone.

    I think many people tend to look for factors to hang their hat on, to make excuses for why some countries prosper while others don’t. You can always find such factors if you look hard enough. But it reminds me of 16th century thinkers who could not believe that the Earth revolved around the Sun, n kept adding more n more epicycles to the Ptolemaic theory that said the Sun must revolve around the Earth, making things more n more complicated to the point of absurdity.

    Why not look for the simplest n most obvious solution n just say that SSAfricans–n Haiti is almost entirely SSAfrican–have something about their genetics that is preventing them from organizing n prospering like Europeans n East Asians would under similar circumstances? If we were talking about any other species except humans no one would hesitate for one moment to do that. But since people are involved, somehow we are driven to always look elsewhere, certain that the difference simply must be environmental when all logic says it’s not.

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  277. Corvinus says:

    “Yes, but among the English you have Anglo-Saxons, Normans, and the more ancient British types. Different sub-races. So, many English are non-white by Franklin’s own definition.”

    Those groups are NOT “sub-races”. They are ethnic groups. They had different ways of life. They did not get along particularly well due to preconceived notions of superiority. You are trying to change the historical narrative here to suit your own purposes.

    “He was employing race realism in that he understood there are different European caucasoid sub-races. However, as history has shown, the term white was used to mean all European caucasoids.”

    No, the term “white” has been used to describe a group of people who meet certain criteria. It is NOT exclusive to Europeans.

    “Why can’t you get it through your skull that the 1790 Naturalization Act did not limit citizenship to Anglo-Saxon Protestants? Clearly, not everyone in the government sided with Benjamin Franklin.”

    It was designed at that point in time for a particular group, but the Founding Fathers enabled future generations to determine for themselves who would be eligible. So, in other words, Americans, in this case white Europeans, thought for themselves, without being labeled as a “race traitor”. So American whites can make their own decisions about race and culture.

    “Never said they were. In the end, it is a matter of some subjectivity as to which European caucasoid sub-races should be included under the “white” label. I, and many others, prefer to include all of them.

    Exactly, subjectivity. But those groups are not “sub-races”.

    “That doesn’t mean they are all equal.”

    Equal in what way? Ability? Under the law?

    “There were English, Scotts, Irish, Germans, French, Dutch, etc. in the U.S. from the start. There were also Protestants, Protestant offshoots (Quakers), and Catholics.”

    Diversity at its core. You are also forgetting African slaves and Native Americans.

    “The modern United States proves this, with all its hostile groups. Jews, Blacks, Mestizos, Asians, and Muslims all pursue their own groups interests at the expense of whites and each other.”

    You will also need to include the aforementioned European ethnic groups as well, because they also focused on their own kind without regard to others. That would be a HUMAN personality characteristic.

    “There have also been many studies on how diversity lowers social trust and creates conflict.”

    And with the various European groups in the States, we clearly saw that as well. YET, somehow, they figured it out, along with the non-European groups.

    “Again, Europeans are more racially and culturally similar to each other than to anyone else.”

    On one level, but they historically had their gripes and grievances and fought like mad to get to the top of the American political and social hierarchy. No different than other groups.

    “Whites are also better able to adhere to abstract ideals, have high IQs, and are more socially courteous.”

    That would be Fake News.

    “Are Englishman more racially and culturally similar to Italians, Saudi Arabians, Kenyans, Japanese, or Hondurans?”

    Despite those similarities, the Englishmen weren’t too happy that the Italians came in for gimmedats and free stuff.

    “How widespread were these attitudes, and how did they compare to attitudes towards non-Europeans? Here’s an interesting little record of crimes committed by various ethnic groups in the U.S. Even back then, we can see that Mexicans were more crime prone than anyone else.”

    What is the actual source for Table 6? Where did this data actually come from? Who collected it?

    “They literally are, through immigration (legal and illegal) and breeding. Soon, they will have retaken all the territory they lost after the Mexican-American war. The scale of the mestizo invasion from the South dwarfs anything the nativist WASPs feared from the other Europeans.”

    That would be your opinion. Subjectivity, right?

    “The numbers aren’t even comparable. Most importantly, the vast majority of Mexicans and Central Americans are non-white mutts who have their own strange fusion of Spanish and Amerindian culture. They are much, much worse than Italians ever were.”

    That would be your opinion. Subjectivity, right?

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  278. @Sin City Milla

    SIN CITY MALLA

    South New Jersey has no corruption, no organized crime, no attendant mob-related violence, no “Bad cops”. Why? South New Jersey is not Italian.

    Detroit was a very nice city when my German grandparents grew up there. In the twenties, it was mostly German and Polish. The it changed with the “Great Migration”.

    Singapore was Chinese and the Chinese split off from Malaysia desiring their own ethnic state. They’ve done better than Malaysia, which is Muslim Malay.

    Argentina has few Mestizos. Indians were very sparse in Buenos Aires and the people are combination of Italian and Spanish. Unsurprisingly, it is much nicer than Guatemala.

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  279. anon[157] • Disclaimer says:
    @jeff stryker

    3) Haiti had a Mulatto over class.

    iirc the Haitians killed the mulattos after they killed the whites, which is why current day Haitians are so dark black (and so low IQ)

    Dominican Republic, on the same island, has done much better and maybe not surprisingly they seem to be lighter skinned black mulatto types (higher IQ?)

  280. FvS says:
    @Corvinus

    Those groups are NOT “sub-races”. They are ethnic groups. They had different ways of life. They did not get along particularly well due to preconceived notions of superiority. You are trying to change the historical narrative here to suit your own purposes.

    Wrong, they are distinct European sub-races and ethnic groups, although there has been a great deal of mixing over the years.

    No, the term “white” has been used to describe a group of people who meet certain criteria. It is NOT exclusive to Europeans.

    White means European caucasoid, period. Sometimes the law reflects this reality, sometimes it does not. Arabs and americoid/caucasoid mutts are not white. Is Saudi Arabia a white nationalist state? Is La Raza a white nationalist organization? Don’t be absurd. You fools are trying to destroy white identity by rendering the term meaningless. It will not work.

    It was designed at that point in time for a particular group, but the Founding Fathers enabled future generations to determine for themselves who would be eligible. So, in other words, Americans, in this case white Europeans, thought for themselves, without being labeled as a “race traitor”. So American whites can make their own decisions about race and culture.

    The Founding Fathers would laugh at the idea that anyone other than Europeans could be considered white.

    Exactly, subjectivity. But those groups are not “sub-races”.

    There is overlap between ethnicity and sub-race, but see the previous pic for an understanding of the various European caucasoid sub-races.

    Equal in what way? Ability? Under the law?

    Genetics and culture.

    Diversity at its core. You are also forgetting African slaves and Native Americans.

    Yes, but they were not citizens.

    You will also need to include the aforementioned European ethnic groups as well, because they also focused on their own kind without regard to others. That would be a HUMAN personality characteristic.

    Nowhere close to the degree we see now with the various racial and religious groups that are actively working to destroy the European people and the European identity of the country. The Italians and Irish did not want to eliminate America’s distinct pan-European character because they were EUROPEAN. The Jews are the only old ethnic/racial group that has stayed consistent right from the beginning in pursuing their own interests at the expense of everyone else.

    And with the various European groups in the States, we clearly saw that as well. YET, somehow, they figured it out, along with the non-European groups.

    See above.

    On one level, but they historically had their gripes and grievances and fought like mad to get to the top of the American political and social hierarchy. No different than other groups.

    Yes, it is different. The various European caucasoid sub-races and ethnic groups have much more in common with each other than they do with all the other racial groups and Jews/Muslims. This can’t be disputed.

    That would be Fake News.

    Haha, cope.

    Despite those similarities, the Englishmen weren’t too happy that the Italians came in for gimmedats and free stuff.

    Sorry, I wasn’t aware that the welfare state was as robust back then as it is now.

    What is the actual source for Table 6? Where did this data actually come from? Who collected it?

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2831353/

    That would be your opinion. Subjectivity, right?

    No. The numbers don’t lie.

    That would be your opinion. Subjectivity, right?

    No. The numbers don’t lie.

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  281. Corvinus says:
    @FvS

    “Should we believe (((Bendersky))) or the primary source material?”

    Focus on what Mussolini and Hitler stated about certain groups of Europeans.

  282. Corvinus says:
    @FvS

    “Wrong, they are distinct European sub-races and ethnic groups, although there has been a great deal of mixing over the years.”

    From a psychological standpoint, we have an easier time identifying and sympathizing with people who look like us or who belong to the same in-group as us, even though that grouping ultimately was constructed arbitrarily. Recall that the 1800 and 1900’s race group divisions were based on skin color and physical appearance according to scientists, and then divided into white, black, yellow, and red. Then scientists stated there were more gradient subtypes based on other characteristics. Where is this line drawn between “the races”? Does it not lead to a potential fractioning all the way down to the individual? Think about it. Attempts to divide humanity into race has used as few as three, then up to more than thirty. Humans have been migrating back and forth across the continents for over 200,000 years. Genetic traits have been mixed and remixed over and over. So it really boils down to how many races of humans exist depends on your meaning of the word…race.

    If it makes you feel better about yourself or feel more important to insist that there are these “sub-races” like Coded Nordic or Danubian Nordic or Borreby or Tronder or Alpine, go right ahead. It comes down to an opinion that holds little bearing on most white Americans, aka “normies”.

    “White means European caucasoid, period.”

    No, white may mean Arab or Hispanic or Jew or Persian. It really depends on one’s mileage.

    “You fools are trying to destroy white identity by rendering the term meaningless. It will not work.”

    Perhaps you are trying to pigeon hole white identity to conveniently fit your square peg. “White identity” may mean something different to me or you. So your shaming and virtue signaling is impotent here. Do white people not have agency? Can they not make their own decisions about whiteness and “white identity”, or must they submit to your definition and expectations of behavior?

    “Yes, but they were not citizens.”

    Regardless, Africans and Native Americans were part of the landscape. Eventually, they became citizens, just like Asians. That’s how America works.

    “Nowhere close to the degree we see now with the various racial and religious groups that are actively working to destroy the European people and the European identity of the country.”

    Except our identity was originally WASP, NOT European, whose identity was destroyed by non-WASPs.

    https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-anti-immigrants-cartoon-nthe-last-yankee-a-lone-yankee-standing-tall-95499585.html

    “The Italians and Irish did not want to eliminate America’s distinct pan-European character because they were EUROPEAN.”

    The Know Nothings of the 1850’s in particular believed a “Romanist” conspiracy was afoot to subvert civil and religious liberty in the United States and sought to politically organize native-born Protestants in what they described as a defense of their traditional religious and political values. The nativists did not care that the Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Poles were European; they were concerned that they would forever change their nation’s character for the worse. Now, when you are calling out those immigrants coming here for the same exact reasons as your ancestors, you insist they are incapable of immersing themselves into our society. Do you not realize the hypocrisy on your part?

    The differences between Angl0-Saxons and non-Anglo-Saxons were noticeably striking. Exactly why nativists did not want Southern and Eastern Europeans around.

    Source –> https://www.dartmouth.edu/~hist32/History/White.htm

    “Between 1880 and WWI, the United States experienced large waves of European immigration. These “new immigrants” however did not come from northern Europe and represented a frightening diversity to many. The difference perceived in these immigrants was frequently described as a racial difference in which Europeans were represented as, not one, but many races identified by region (Alpine, Mediterranean, Slavic and Nordic) or by alleged headshape (roundheads, slopeheads). Madison Grant, a biologist and curator for the American Museum of Natural History in New York explained in his book The Passing of the Great Race that White Americans, the great race, were losing out to hordes of inferior European immigrants. Grant’s book was so popular it experienced 7 reprints before WWII. According to Grant, “These new immigrants were no longer exclusively members of the Nordic race as were the earlier ones…The transportation lines advertised America as a land flowing with milk and honey and the European governments took the opportunity to unload upon careless, wealthy and hospitable America the sweepings of their jails and asylums…Our jails, insane asylums and almshouses are filled with this human flotsam and the whole tone of american life, social, moral and political has been lowered and vulgarized by them.”

    So much for white unity!

    “The Jews are the only old ethnic/racial group that has stayed consistent right from the beginning in pursuing their own interests at the expense of everyone else.”

    More Fake News on your part.

    “What is the actual source for Table 6?”

    Thank you for the link. You do realize that the source you cited states “Whether immigrants were more prone to crime than the native-born depends on how one defines crime. Our ability to measure this depends on the quality of the data as well as how discretion is used in the criminal justice system. This article relies on data from those punished for criminal activity, not direct observation of crime. The foreign-born were more likely than natives to be incarcerated for minor offenses. It is unclear, however, whether this should be interpreted as evidence of more criminal activity on the part of the foreign-born. Most commitments for minor offenses are for things like vagrancy and drunkenness, and arrests and prosecutions of such offenses depend greatly on the choices made by law enforcement officials. These choices will vary greatly across jurisdictions and even within jurisdictions across population groups. Whether these offenses result in incarceration will also depend on the economic and social resources of the offender…By 1930, the foreign-born were less likely than natives to be incarcerated for more serious crimes, as evidenced by their lower commitment rates at every age to state and federal facilities.”

    “No. The numbers don’t lie.”

    You mean YOUR interpretation of the numbers do not lie to YOU.

    “The various European caucasoid sub-races and ethnic groups have much more in common with each other than they do with all the other racial groups and Jews/Muslims.”

    Common in certain aspects, assuredly. But what does Heritage American even mean, not just to normies/the mushy middle, but to the Alt Right? Consider the immortal words of Vox Day –> “So I’m going to make some of you extremely uncomfortable here, because what I’m going to tell you – and this is not going to be comfortable for those of you who are US citizens – a lot of you are not Americans and you never were. Your parents aren’t, you’re grandparents aren’t, because Americans are defined very, very clearly and the United States Constitution was written for a very specific group of people and that doesn’t include immigrants, it doesn’t include refugees, it doesn’t include the great grand children of former immigrants, it doesn’t include anybody except for the sons and daughters of the American Revolution…The Italians and the Irish were the original problem. They could have, and should have, been handled like the Chinese were. But they laid the groundwork for the Jews, the Germans, and the Scandinavians, who made things even worse. And they paved the way for the Mexicans, the Africans, and the Muslims. At this point, the USA probably can’t get back to 1986, let alone 1965.”

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    , @anon
  283. FvS says:
    @Corvinus

    From a psychological standpoint, we have an easier time identifying and sympathizing with people who look like us or who belong to the same in-group as us, even though that grouping ultimately was constructed arbitrarily… If it makes you feel better about yourself or feel more important to insist that there are these “sub-races” like Coded Nordic or Danubian Nordic or Borreby or Tronder or Alpine, go right ahead. It comes down to an opinion that holds little bearing on most white Americans, aka “normies”.

    On race.
    imgur.com/a/nC8XkSE

    No, white may mean Arab or Hispanic or Jew or Persian. It really depends on one’s mileage.

    Is Saudi Arabia a white nationalist state? Is La Raza a white supremacist movement?

    Perhaps you are trying to pigeon hole white identity to conveniently fit your square peg. “White identity” may mean something different to me or you. So your shaming and virtue signaling is impotent here. Do white people not have agency? Can they not make their own decisions about whiteness and “white identity”, or must they submit to your definition and expectations of behavior?

    Sorry, everyone can’t be white. Just like I can’t be black or Asian.

    Regardless, Africans and Native Americans were part of the landscape. Eventually, they became citizens, just like Asians. That’s how America works.

    To our detriment, as we currently witness all the anti-white/anti-European groups coalescing against us.

    Except our identity was originally WASP, NOT European, whose identity was destroyed by non-WASPs.

    No, it wasn’t.

    The Know Nothings of the 1850’s in particular believed a “Romanist” conspiracy was afoot to subvert civil and religious liberty in the United States and sought to politically organize native-born Protestants in what they described as a defense of their traditional religious and political values. The nativists did not care that the Irish, Italians, Slavs, and Poles were European; they were concerned that they would forever change their nation’s character for the worse. Now, when you are calling out those immigrants coming here for the same exact reasons as your ancestors, you insist they are incapable of immersing themselves into our society. Do you not realize the hypocrisy on your part?

    Not comparable, as I have pointed out a million times. The cultural and racial differences between Europeans are of much lesser magnitude compared to the differences between white Europeans and other racial groups. So, even if the Know Nothings were wrong in their beliefs about other Europeans, it does not necessarily follow that similar beliefs wouldn’t be true for non-white immigrants, especially since they are of different races and non-European cultures. Italian, English, Irish, and Polish racial interests can align because they are all sub-races of the larger European caucasoid racial group. Take the European Union, for example. I’m not in favor of it, but it is holding together at the moment. What do think would happen if you started adding Middle Eastern and African countries into the mix?

    So much for white unity!

    That was back when whites were the vast majority and blacks were segregated. They couldn’t even have imagined a United States where white Europeans were the minority. So, they were still plagued by petty European ethnic divisions. Now, with all the other races added to the mix, suddenly those old divisions don’t seem so important. I guarantee they would have taken Italians, Poles, and Greeks over Mexicans, Hondurans, and El Salvadorans any day of the week. White haters certainly don’t discriminate between the various European ethnic groups.

    More Fake News on your part.

    Culture of Critique.

    By 1930, the foreign-born were less likely than natives to be incarcerated for more serious crimes, as evidenced by their lower commitment rates at every age to state and federal facilities.”

    That’s interesting, except we have to look at the different groups individually rather than lumping all “foreign-born” together. The data clearly showed that Mexicans committed way more major offenses than anyone else. The shysters do the exact same thing nowadays when they compare “immigrants” to “natives” and then just lump all races and ethnic groups together from their respective sides.

    You mean YOUR interpretation of the numbers do not lie to YOU.

    Whites are going to become a minority in this country very soon. This is irrefutable.

    Common in certain aspects, assuredly. But what does Heritage American even mean, not just to normies/the mushy middle, but to the Alt Right? Consider the immortal words of Vox Day…

    What is with your obsession with Vox Day? Notice how he prefaced his argument. That seems to indicate that he knows most of his readers (white advocates) do not share his opinion. Maybe a U.S. that was WASP only would have been the ideal. I disagree, but I can see why some might make that argument. But a country that is made up of multiple European ethnic groups is definitely going to function MUCH better than one that is made up of Europeans, Asians, Africans, Arabs, and Amerindians. That is truth!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  284. Corvinus says:
    @FvS

    “On race…”

    Standard trope written by race realist. Heard it before. It bears repeating, from a psychological standpoint, we have an easier time identifying and sympathizing with people who look like us or who belong to the same in-group as us, even though that grouping ultimately was constructed arbitrarily.

    “Is Saudi Arabia a white nationalist state? Is La Raza a white supremacist movement?”

    The ethnic composition of Saudi citizens is 90% Arab and 10% Afro-Asian. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is ethnically diverse and not represented by one single race or ethnicity, especially the west side of the country, namely the region of “Hijaz”.

    Hispanic or Latino to refer to “a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race” and states that Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, any ethnicity.

    We know that racial categories have historically been based on skin color, some other phenotype, national or geographic origin, religion, or language. Unfortunately, Saudis do not neatly fit into a traditional 3- or 5- race humanity model.

    “Sorry, everyone can’t be white.”

    I was not asking for your apology. So, do white people not have agency? Can they not make their own decisions about whiteness and “white identity”, or must they submit to your definition and expectations of behavior?

    “The cultural and racial differences between Europeans are of much lesser magnitude compared to the differences between white Europeans and other racial groups.”

    Not to nativsts.

    “So, even if the Know Nothings were wrong in their beliefs about other Europeans…”

    Not if. Were they wrong? Yes or no.

    “Italian, English, Irish, and Polish racial interests can align because they are all sub-races of the larger European caucasoid racial group.”

    You mean they are ethnicities whose racial interests may align due to a common cause. Otherwise, as it has been demonstrated clearly, the Irish, Italians, and Polish in particular were not viewed as being capable of properly handling WASP political values.

    “That was back when whites were the vast majority and blacks were segregated. They couldn’t even have imagined a United States where white Europeans were the minority.”

    They couldn’t have imagine America as a non-WASP majority, either.

    “So, they were still plagued by petty European ethnic divisions.”

    Petty? Hardly. They were downright patently offensive.

    “Now, with all the other races added to the mix, suddenly those old divisions don’t seem so important.”

    Indeed, sport. Today’s white normies have taken it upon themselves how to address racial and ethnic matters that you find disagreeable.

    “I guarantee they would have taken Italians, Poles, and Greeks over Mexicans, Hondurans, and El Salvadorans any day of the week.”

    Perhaps. Then again, maybe not.

    “The data clearly showed that Mexicans committed way more major offenses than anyone else.”

    Except the authors of the study offered caveats.

    “The shysters do the exact same thing nowadays when they compare “immigrants” to “natives” and then just lump all races and ethnic groups together from their respective sides.”

    So are you saying the authors of the source you cited are “shysters”?

    “What is with your obsession with Vox Day?”

    LOL, not an obsession. Just noting his argument when it comes to civic nationalism.

    “That seems to indicate that he knows most of his readers (white advocates) do not share his opinion.”

    Perhaps. He does have a happy ban trigger finger. Then again, a number of his readers have agreed with his premise. Maybe you could dig deeper and try to refute what he is saying. I NOTICE that you not specifically addressing the points I made.

    “But a country that is made up of multiple European ethnic groups is definitely going to function MUCH better than one that is made up of Europeans, Asians, Africans, Arabs, and Amerindians. That is truth!”

    No, that is your opinion. Cope.

    “To our detriment, as we currently witness all the anti-white/anti-European groups coalescing against us.”

    How would you define anti-white? Who is this “us” you refer to? Are whites able to form their own opinion on racial matters that counters your own positions? Must they strictly adhere by your standards, lest they be declared “race traitors”?

    • Replies: @FvS
  285. @jeff stryker

    Yes, we live in an age of ignorance. We are prohibited from looking at these facts n drawing logical conclusions. The PC Cult weaves more n more epicycles in the air, still insisting that the Sun revolves around the Earth. A hundred years ago everyone knew better, but today the truth cannot be told except in a few islands of sanity like Unz.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  286. @Corvinus

    This is all beside the point. No one cares about ethnicity unless they’re trying to decide what kind of food to eat for dinner. The whole problem of social constructs is that it’s used by PC cultists to completely deny that genetics has any role whatsoever in people’s behavior, which they summarize as the blank slate. Even Steven Pinker rejects that idea. But that doesn’t stop the Cultists from pushing their pseudo-science anyway. There is no need to get Kantian about the limits of human perception, that simply obscures the issue.

    Of course race is to a certain extent arbitrarily defined, making it jarring to talk about an Italian race, or a Calabrian race, or a Celtic race. But that doesn’t change the fact that certain alleles are concentrated in certain populations in ways that aren’t found in other populations elsewhere. If we simply substitute ‘breed’ for ‘race’ to remove the emotion, n if we talk about dogs, then no one argues anymore, everyone freely admits that most dog breeds are recent vintage n are distinct in such a way that everyone understands perfectly well that poodles are distinct from German shepherds which are distinct from dachshunds. Everyone acknowledges that some dog breeds are smarter than others, n that some dog breeds are more aggressive than others, n that some are larger or faster than others. No one wastes time n effort talking about social constructs in dog breeds. Dog breeds are perfectly understandable without resorting to such.

    To reject the idea that humans too come in breeds is to deny that humans are animals n over millennia have adapted to local environments, n not just their skin, but their brains, n their dispositions, n their immunities, n their propensity to diseases like sickle-cell n diabetes n alcoholism. Any other conclusion is non-darwinian pseudo-science.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  287. Lo says:
    @Sin City Milla

    Again, I never talked about Arab or North African Muslim trade. Slave labor was not needed in Ottoman Empire, and frankly it was a luxury. Moreover, there wasn’t capitalism & large empty lands that could be utilized. It is very unlikely that this could even get close to Atlantic trade as Atlantic trade was 10+ million with more than that number perishing along the way. Besides, if you are bringing up all slave trade over 1400 years, then why are you comparing it to Atlantic trade only? Surely Romans were some of the biggest slavers. And I am not even counting entirely enslaved populations in South America or Africa.

  288. @Sin City Milla

    SIN

    Cognitive dissonance makes the whole world schizophrenic.

  289. Corvinus says:
    @Sin City Milla

    “This is all beside the point.”

    Actually, it is the point. We humans label things in order to make sense of our world. What, you think such terms as “race”, “ethnicity”, and “biology” just magically appeared?

    “No one cares about ethnicity unless they’re trying to decide what kind of food to eat for dinner.”

    Of course we care about ethnicity! Do not be obtuse here.

    “The whole problem of social constructs is that it’s used by PC cultists to completely deny that genetics has any role whatsoever in people’s behavior, which they summarize as the blank slate.”

    Not so much blank slate, it’s about the impact that nurture “Race realists” are just like those PC cultists in their own denial of the extent that environment plays a role.

    “But that doesn’t change the fact that certain alleles are concentrated in certain populations in ways that aren’t found in other populations elsewhere.”

    OK.

    “If we simply substitute ‘breed’ for ‘race’ to remove the emotion, n if we talk about dogs, then no one argues anymore, everyone freely admits that most dog breeds are recent vintage n are distinct in such a way that everyone understands perfectly well that poodles are distinct from German shepherds which are distinct from dachshunds.”

    Except that would be other than an accurate description to describe us.

    “Everyone acknowledges that some dog breeds are smarter than others, n that some dog breeds are more aggressive than others, n that some are larger or faster than others. No one wastes time n effort talking about social constructs in dog breeds. Dog breeds are perfectly understandable without resorting to such.”

    Bred to have such traits.

    “To reject the idea that humans too come in breeds is to deny that humans are animals n over millennia have adapted to local environments, n not just their skin, but their brains, n their dispositions, n their immunities, n their propensity to diseases like sickle-cell n diabetes n alcoholism. Any other conclusion is non-darwinian pseudo-science.”

    Breed–a stock of animals or plants within a species having a distinctive appearance and typically having been developed by deliberate selection.

    Humans are not “breeds”. Try again.

    • Replies: @Sin City Milla
  290. Pericles says:
    @TG

    Don’t think this is primarily cultural or racial. The only reason the European elites are pushing to import ever more muslims is simply because, right now, they are by far the largest and most readily accessible source of cheap labor for Europe.

    Nope. We were told the muslim march of 2015 would bring us all these engineers and doctors that would help us out of our benighted state and lead us to a bright, bright, bright future! But in practice they turned out to be rapists and murderers and indigents mostly lacking even a high school education. And sure enough, what they can do is sit around and collect unemployment and file for family reunification (with the help of the welfare system, of course).

    And if you take a minute to think, or even a few seconds, the readily accessible source of cheap labor is … EASTERN EUROPE. Whuh-whah? Muh GDP? Muh muslims? Muh pensions? Jesus, some people are just blind.

  291. Pericles says:
    @SunBakedSuburb

    … in order to extract and export the rich vibranium deposits, lol.

    (Several of the richest Jews in Israel got their shekels from mining in Africa. It’s verisimilitude.)

  292. anon[170] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Regardless, Africans and Native Americans were part of the landscape. Eventually, they became citizens, just like Asians. That’s how America works.

    this is what a non-white says, probably a jew

    hey goyim, let me tell you how your country works

    notice what else he says:

    So much for white unity!

    “The Jews are the only old ethnic/racial group that has stayed consistent right from the beginning in pursuing their own interests at the expense of everyone else.”

    More Fake News on your part.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  293. FvS says:
    @Corvinus

    The ethnic composition of Saudi citizens is 90% Arab and 10% Afro-Asian. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is ethnically diverse and not represented by one single race or ethnicity, especially the west side of the country, namely the region of “Hijaz”.

    If Arabs are white, that makes Saudi Arabia a white nationalist state. And if Jews are white, Israel is a white nationalist state ,and the Holocaust was white genocide. Do you see how absurd this is getting?

    Hispanic or Latino to refer to “a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race” and states that Hispanics or Latinos can be of any race, any ancestry, any ethnicity.

    Historically, in Latin America, a person had to be 85% European caucasoid to be considered white. I think the cutoff should be higher, but that’s just my opinion. However, if we make all Hispanics white, that would mean a person that was majority Amerindian could be white. That’s pants on head retarded. White means European caucasoid. End of story.

    I was not asking for your apology. So, do white people not have agency? Can they not make their own decisions about whiteness and “white identity”, or must they submit to your definition and expectations of behavior?

    Hello, Rachel Dolezal.

    Not to nativsts.

    Yes, to nativists. You honestly believe that an Englishman thought he was as different from an Irishman as he was from a Chinaman or a Negro? C’mon. Pull your head out.

    Not if. Were they wrong? Yes or no.

    A little of both. They were right in that there were some definite speed bumps like I said (organized crime), but they were ultimately wrong that it would lead to the demise of America and WASP culture. WASPs have stayed powerful in America all throughout its history.

    You mean they are ethnicities whose racial interests may align due to a common cause. Otherwise, as it has been demonstrated clearly, the Irish, Italians, and Polish in particular were not viewed as being capable of properly handling WASP political values.

    Yes, but how widespread was that belief? Clearly, the Know Nothings weren’t influential enough to stop it.

    They couldn’t have imagine America as a non-WASP majority, either.

    True. However, I believe Protestants have always outnumbered Catholics in the U.S. Could be wrong though.

    Petty? Hardly. They were downright patently offensive.

    Petty in my opinion. Most of it was Protestant vs. Catholic nonsense. I don’t particularly care about Christian squabbles.

    Indeed, sport. Today’s white normies have taken it upon themselves how to address racial and ethnic matters that you find disagreeable.

    Yeah, by committing collective suicide.


    [MORE]

    Perhaps. Then again, maybe not.

    Guranteed.

    So are you saying the authors of the source you cited are “shysters”?

    It’s just a dirty trick. For example, the U.S. has a relatively high murder rate compared to most European countries. However, if you take out Hispanic and black rates, suddenly the numbers are comparable.

    Perhaps. He does have a happy ban trigger finger. Then again, a number of his readers have agreed with his premise. Maybe you could dig deeper and try to refute what he is saying. I NOTICE that you not specifically addressing the points I made.

    Could you be more specific? Just because we let in Italians and Irish, doesn’t mean we have to let in everyone. Italians and Irish are European caucasoids just like the English; everyone else is not (except for the few white Hispanics). That matters quite a bit, as I keep saying. The various European cultures have a lot in common too, whether they admit it or not. Think of it like a civic nationalist spectrum. On the one end you have the nativist WASPs. Then, next to them are the European panethnic folks like me who think that even though there were some problems integrating everyone, it all worked out okay. And finally on the other end are the extreme civic nationalists who think you can bring in any race, religion and culture from all around the world and expect the country to stay united. I reject this, and you should too.

    No, that is your opinion. Cope.

    Our country is tearing itself apart due to conflicting racial interests. Just wait until white identity really starts making a comeback. Going to be fun.

    How would you define anti-white? Who is this “us” you refer to? Are whites able to form their own opinion on racial matters that counters your own positions? Must they strictly adhere by your standards, lest they be declared “race traitors”?

    Wanting to remove whites from power and make them a minority in their own country, among other things. Whites. Some are, most have never been able to overcome their brainwashing and think critically about the subject. Yes.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  294. Corvinus says:
    @FvS

    “If Arabs are white, that makes Saudi Arabia a white nationalist state…”

    LOL, no, it assuredly does not. Saudis are “white” and they are “Arab”. A group of white people can display their ethnicity in their own way. We can show our race and ethnicity in separate ways. They are not “one and of the same”. You are projecting your absurdity!

    “Historically, in Latin America, a person had to be 85% European caucasoid to be considered white. I think the cutoff should be higher, but that’s just my opinion.”

    Exactly, YOUR opinion.

    “White means European caucasoid. End of story.”

    Doesn’t work that way.

    “but they were ultimately wrong that it would lead to the demise of America and WASP culture.”

    Except it did lead to the end of WASP culture.

    “Yes, but how widespread was that belief?”

    Quite popular in the 1840’s and 1850’s.

    “Clearly, the Know Nothings weren’t influential enough to stop it.”

    Similar to the Alt Right?

    “I don’t particularly care about Christian squabbles.”

    A number of Alt Righters are concerned. You do realize that, to them, the rise of whiteness relies on the return of Christian patriarchy, right?

    “Yeah, by committing collective suicide.”

    Again, that would be your opinion. So, basically, white men/women MUST adhere to your line of thinking, otherwise they are “cucks”. That is not a winning strategy.

    “For example, the U.S. has a relatively high murder rate compared to most European countries. However, if you take out Hispanic and black rates, suddenly the numbers are comparable.”

    Source?

    “Italians and Irish are European caucasoids just like the English; everyone else is not (except for the few white Hispanics).”

    Regardless, those two groups were considered undesirable.

    “That matters quite a bit, as I keep saying.”

    It mattered little to nativists.

    “Then, next to them are the European panethnic folks like me who think that even though there were some problems integrating everyone, it all worked out okay.”

    Exactly. Magic dirt/civic nationalism for me, not for thee! I should have known you were an interloper. Why don’t you admit you are a hypocrite…

    “And finally on the other end are the extreme civic nationalists who think you can bring in any race, religion and culture from all around the world and expect the country to stay united.”

    It’s worked out pretty well, if you are honest about it.

    “Our country is tearing itself apart due to conflicting racial interests.”

    Without a doubt, we have issues. Tearing itself apart? Don’t know about that.

    “Just wait until white identity really starts making a comeback.”

    LOL, they’ve been saying that since Reconstruction! Perhaps each white person in the United States has their own concept of what is their identity, one that truly bothers you because they have the liberty to reject your preferred way of looking at things.

    “Going to be fun.”

    Fun, how? Are you prepared to go all the way, even if it means getting blood on your hands? So why wait for this “fun” to begin? Why don’t you go on on cross country speaking tour, with soapbox in tow, to spread the word? Do you not have a duty now to “save” your people? That would show your true dedication to the cause. Be like the Founding Fathers who risked everything?

    Could you muster up the courage do engage in such a decisive action?

    Anyways, let’s get back to something even more important. Please answer–How would you define anti-white? Who is this “us” you refer to? Are whites able to form their own opinion on racial matters that counters your own positions? Must they strictly adhere by your standards, lest they be declared “race traitors”?

    • Replies: @FvS
  295. Corvinus says:
    @anon

    “this is what a non-white says, probably a jew.”

    LOL. Another anon who lacks the intellectual chops to dissect what I stated, so she resorts to the old “well, they must be a Jew” schtick.

  296. FvS says:
    @Corvinus

    LOL, no, it assuredly does not. Saudis are “white” and they are “Arab”. A group of white people can display their ethnicity in their own way. We can show our race and ethnicity in separate ways. They are not “one and of the same”. You are projecting your absurdity!

    White is a racial designation. Do you understand where you went astray yet?

    Exactly, YOUR opinion.

    Only on how high the European caucasoid percentage should be. I don’t know of anyone in history who thought it should be lower than 85%.

    Doesn’t work that way.

    Yes, it does. A black person is a negroid, Rachel Dolezal.

    Except it did lead to the end of WASP culture.

    No, it did not.

    Quite popular in the 1840’s and 1850’s.

    Not enough, and not when they were writing the 1790 Naturalization Act.

    Similar to the Alt Right?

    This story is still being written. Whites elected Trump for a reason. He ended up being a conman like many feared, but the underlying motivations for his election have only been inflamed.

    A number of Alt Righters are concerned. You do realize that, to them, the rise of whiteness relies on the return of Christian patriarchy, right?

    As long as they welcome agnostics, I don’t really care if they end up being the dominant force. I like Christians, just don’t care for Christian universalism very much.

    Again, that would be your opinion. So, basically, white men/women MUST adhere to your line of thinking, otherwise they are “cucks”. That is not a winning strategy.

    All white peoples around the world are threatened by simple biological extinction due to loss of homelands where we can securely live and breed, competition from non-white invaders, hybridization with non-whites, and outright predation by non-whites. You are either opposed to this, or you are not.

    Source?

    FBI. Do you really not know anything about how crime rates differ by race in the U.S.?

    [MORE]

    Regardless, those two groups were considered undesirable.

    To some.

    It mattered little to nativists.

    It’s all relative. For example, there was never an Italian or Irish Exclusionary Act like there was for the Chinese.

    Exactly. Magic dirt/civic nationalism for me, not for thee! I should have known you were an interloper. Why don’t you admit you are a hypocrite…

    Haha, do I really need to explain it to you again!? Ethno-nationalism for European countries. Pan-European civic/racial nationalism for the U.S., as was intended and had existed for most of our history. Why don’t you admit you are an anti-white racist…

    It’s worked out pretty well, if you are honest about it.

    We live in a globohomo clown world where whites are demonized and about to become a minority in their own country. So…no.

    Without a doubt, we have issues. Tearing itself apart? Don’t know about that.

    Learn to read the signs.

    LOL, they’ve been saying that since Reconstruction! Perhaps each white person in the United States has their own concept of what is their identity, one that truly bothers you because they have the liberty to reject your preferred way of looking at things.

    Most white Americans still had a healthy white identity long after the Reconstruction. It does bother me that whites are not willing to stop their own destruction. It should bother all whites of good conscience.

    Fun, how? Are you prepared to go all the way, even if it means getting blood on your hands? So why wait for this “fun” to begin?

    Hopefully, it won’t ever come to that. I still think there is a political solution and reject violence wholeheartedly 🙂

    Why don’t you go on on cross country speaking tour, with soapbox in tow, to spread the word? Do you not have a duty now to “save” your people? That would show your true dedication to the cause. Be like the Founding Fathers who risked everything?

    Because the internet exists.

    Anyways, let’s get back to something even more important. Please answer–How would you define anti-white? Who is this “us” you refer to? Are whites able to form their own opinion on racial matters that counters your own positions? Must they strictly adhere by your standards, lest they be declared “race traitors”?

    Already answered.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  297. @FvS

    FvS

    The 1924 Immigration Act was intended to prevent another Palermo where judges were shot by Mafioso at the courthouse.

    Obviously, the average Italian-American makes more than the average Anglo-Saxon “pine barrens cracker” in North Florida or Appalachian squirrel hunter these days, so my statement is nothing against Italians.

    But the 1924 act was intended to stop the Italian mafia from becoming a de facto government, not Chinese laborers or Irish brawlers on the railroads.

    Also, Polish anarchists did enter Detroit and Milwaukee and one of them attempted to assassinate a president. So it made sense to restrict Eastern European immigration.

    • Replies: @FvS
  298. Corvinus says:

    “White is a racial designation. Do you understand where you went astray yet?”

    I didn’t go astray. Carefully re-read your post.

    “Only on how high the European caucasoid percentage should be. I don’t know of anyone in history who thought it should be lower than 85%.”

    And where are we getting this magical percentage from? How is this number THE standard bearer?

    “Doesn’t work that way.”

    Actually, white means white.

    “Not enough, and not when they were writing the 1790 Naturalization Act.”

    Quite enough by the time 1840 rolled around. That law was the bane of WASPs as inferior peoples came here as cheap laborers with their gutter Catholic ideas and ideals.

    “As long as they welcome agnostics, I don’t really care if they end up being the dominant force. I like Christians, just don’t care for Christian universalism very much.”

    Then you are going to have a problem here.

    “For example, there was never an Italian or Irish Exclusionary Act like there was for the Chinese.”

    Sure. But you had your ethnic riots and quota acts to deal with those two groups.

    “Ethno-nationalism for European countries.”

    If that’s what the people end up deciding what they want.

    “Pan-European civic/racial nationalism for the U.S., as was intended and had existed for most of our history.”

    Intended by our Founding Fathers through posterity to make decisions for themselves at various junctures. Citizens decide here.

    “All white peoples around the world are threatened by simple biological extinction…”

    LOL, no. White people are going to be around for quite a long time.

    “due to loss of homelands where we can securely live and breed”

    Plenty of places to live and breed securely.

    “competition from non-white invaders, hybridization with non-whites, and outright predation by non-whites. You are either opposed to this, or you are not.”

    Assuming your premise is true.

    “Why don’t you admit you are an anti-white racist…”

    So how do you define “anti-white racist”? Please be specific.

    “We live in a globohomo clown world where whites are demonized…”

    Again, that is an opinion.

    “Most white Americans still had a healthy white identity long after the Reconstruction.”

    Actually, most white Americans have a healthy identity, which may include race, ethnicity, gender, sexuality, or whatever they personally deem important.

    “It does bother me that whites are not willing to stop their own destruction.”

    Another opinion.

    “Already answered.”

    Not quite. Try again. How would you define anti-white? Who is this “us” you refer to? Are whites able to form their own opinion on racial matters that counters your own positions? Must they strictly adhere by your standards, lest they be declared “race traitors”?

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @FvS
  299. @Corvinus

    CORVINUS

    In my opinion the mass-industrialization of the Northern states from the NYC city through Chicago were a result of immigrants arriving at a critical moment in the Democratic machine starting with Tammany Hall and leading eventually to the mafia forcing Hoffa to hand over the Teamster’s Pension to Italians who wanted to build casinos.

    Reagan handed the power over to middle-class whites in the suburbs because by then post-industrialization made the cities of New Jersey and Chicago less critical.

    But by then the Jews, Irish-Catholics and Italians to a degree were surrounding the Beltway and had deep roots there.

    Part of it was power shifting from agrarian (WASPS) to cities (20th century) to suburbs (1980’s on).

  300. FvS says:
    @Corvinus

    I didn’t go astray. Carefully re-read your post.

    These are the logical implications of what you believe. If Arabs are white, Saudi Arabia is a white nationalist country. If Jews are white, Israel is a white nationalist country, and the Holocaust was white genocide. If all Hispanics are white, these people are white, lmao!

    The U.S. government’s racial categories are garbage and have been since FDR.

    And where are we getting this magical percentage from? How is this number THE standard bearer?

    Some Chilean told me it was 85%. But it was actually 7/8ths European, close enough. Most of the Hispanics in the U.S. are mestizos and castizos, not criollos. Mixed races are just that, mixed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta

    Actually, white means white.

    And black means black. Even Asians can be black if negroids decide they’re a part of the black community, right? Where do you guys get this crap?

    Quite enough by the time 1840 rolled around. That law was the bane of WASPs as inferior peoples came here as cheap laborers with their gutter Catholic ideas and ideals.

    No, not enough, or they would have done something about it.

    Then you are going to have a problem here.

    Doubt it.

    Sure. But you had your ethnic riots and quota acts to deal with those two groups.

    But it proves that Chinese were lower on the totem pole than Southern and Eastern Europeans. Likewise, there was no racial segregation for any Europeans like there was for blacks. Mexicans, too, weren’t thought to be white until FDR the moron decided they should be. Italians and Irish were always white, though, since they could become citizens from the founding of the country.

    If that’s what the people end up deciding what they want.

    It’s what’s best for them unless they’re suicidal.

    Intended by our Founding Fathers through posterity to make decisions for themselves at various junctures. Citizens decide here.

    Sure, and whites can either decide to act in accordance with their own racial interests or not. If whites permit themselves to become a minority population, they will lose their civilization, their heritage, and even their existence as a distinct people.

    LOL, no. White people are going to be around for quite a long time.

    It will take time, but if current trends continue, whites will go extinct.

    [MORE]

    Plenty of places to live and breed securely.

    Writes Greg Johnson:
    Habitat loss: the ongoing conquest of nature through science and
    technology would seem to be expanding white habitats. Man can live at the
    north and south poles, the bottom of the oceans, and even in space. It is
    conceivable that someday we will be able to transform other planets into
    human habitats.
    But there is a sense in which white reproduction is suffering due to habitat
    loss: whites do not reproduce in unsafe environments, and one of the greatest
    causes of unsafe breeding environments is the presence of non-whites. Just as
    pandas do not breed well in captivity, whites do not breed well in diverse
    environments.
    In the past, whites had high birth-rates while surrounded by non-whites.
    But these non-whites were enslaved or otherwise subordinate and forced to
    emulate white standards of behavior. So whites specifically feel unsafe
    around free and unassimilated non-white populations, such as we find in
    modern multicultural societies.
    The search for safe white breeding spaces is one of the driving forces
    behind suburbanization and exurbanization following the collapse of white
    supremacy, the emancipation of indigenous non-white populations, and the
    flooding of white lands by non-white immigrants.

    Assuming your premise is true.

    What planet do you live on?

    So how do you define “anti-white racist”? Please be specific.

    Already did.

    Again, that is an opinion.

    Do you not get out very much?

    Actually, most white Americans have a healthy identity, which may include race, ethnicity, gender, sexuality, or whatever they personally deem important.

    I’d like to believe most whites Americans have a healthy racial identity. There are some positive signs, but it seems most people are still unable to break free from their lifelong brainwashing.

    Another opinion.

    Yeah…

    Not quite. Try again. How would you define anti-white? Who is this “us” you refer to? Are whites able to form their own opinion on racial matters that counters your own positions? Must they strictly adhere by your standards, lest they be declared “race traitors”?

    Are you blind?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  301. FvS says:
    @jeff stryker

    not Chinese laborers

    They why the ban?

  302. @Corvinus

    “Bred to have such a trait.”

    This is simply irrelevant. Sorry, but you have an inadequate understanding of biological adaptation to local environment.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  303. Corvinus says:
    @FvS

    “It will take time, but if current trends continue, whites will go extinct.”

    LOL, right, because 500 million to a billion white people will somehow go “bye-bye”. You are way over your head here.

    “These are the logical implications of what you believe. If Arabs are white, Saudi Arabia is a white nationalist country. If Jews are white, Israel is a white nationalist country, and the Holocaust was white genocide. If all Hispanics are white, these people are white, lmao!”

    You are arguing from a false premise and begging the question to boot. You are way over your head here.

    “If whites permit themselves to become a minority population, they will lose their civilization, their heritage, and even their existence as a distinct people.”

    They COULD lose you mean. Of course, if they are a “minority” population, they are certainly not extinct, and they will still practice their ways of life. Regardless, you wrongly assume that white people are going to be “lost” or “lose their identity” if they do not view race as being number one criteria.

    “Even Asians can be black if negroids decide they’re a part of the black community, right?”

    LOL, no. Where do you come up with such things?

    “But it proves that Chinese were lower on the totem pole than Southern and Eastern Europeans.”

    In that period of time. Regardless,

    “Likewise, there was no racial segregation for any Europeans like there was for blacks.”

    Not official segregation. But there were ethnic enclaves, i.e. ghettos.

    “Mexicans, too, weren’t thought to be white until FDR the moron decided they should be.”

    Hispanic, non-Hispanic White, Chicano…it’s all the same, right? Besides, it really depends how much “white blood” Mexicans have, right?

    “Italians and Irish were always white, though, since they could become citizens from the founding of the country.”

    White, yes. Desirable ethnic group, not necessarily.

    “Habitat loss: the ongoing conquest of nature through science and technology would seem to be expanding white habitats. Man can live at the north and south poles, the bottom of the oceans, and even in space. It is conceivable that someday we will be able to transform other planets into
    human habitats.

    “But there is a sense in which white reproduction is suffering due to habitat loss: whites do not reproduce in unsafe environments, and one of the greatest causes of unsafe breeding environments is the presence of non-whites. Just as pandas do not breed well in captivity, whites do not breed well in diverse environments.”

    LOL. Whites as humans are able to breed in a wide range of areas. It has been proven. Moreover, recall that this “loss of habitat” was something that natives in the Americas endured.

    “The search for safe white breeding spaces is one of the driving forces behind suburbanization…”

    Corrected for accuracy –> The search for a place of residence by white people has in part led to suburbanization in large part due to financial and environmental factors, with racial animus also playing a role. But middle class whites want to be around other middle class folk regardless of race or ethnicity.

    “I’d like to believe most whites Americans have a healthy racial identity.”

    Indeed, we do. We just do not have to abide by YOUR standards. That is our liberty.

    “There are some positive signs, but it seems most people are still unable to break free from their lifelong brainwashing.”

    OR, it is people who know exactly what is going on and make decisions for themselves. See, if you insist that whites have been brainwashed, then they really are not that bright. They allow themselves to easily get duped, and thus should not breed because of this major personality flaw. The fact is that we have access to much information, and it pains you greatly that white people are choosing to exercise their freedom in a way that you oppose.

    • Replies: @FvS
  304. Corvinus says:
    @Sin City Milla

    “This is simply irrelevant. Sorry, but you have an inadequate understanding of biological adaptation to local environment.”

    Actually, I am on point. Try harder next time.

  305. FvS says:
    @Corvinus

    LOL, right, because 500 million to a billion white people will somehow go “bye-bye”. You are way over your head here.

    It could be centuries away, but it will happen as long as whites continue to be threatened by the four causes of reproductive failure (extinction): loss of habitat, invasive species, hybridization, and excessive predation (hot or cold genocide). Combined with sub-replacement birth rates, whites are in very real danger long term (and short-term in many ways).

    You are arguing from a false premise

    I’m glad you agree that Arabs, Jews, and most Hispanics aren’t white. We’re making progress.

    They COULD lose you mean. Of course, if they are a “minority” population, they are certainly not extinct, and they will still practice their ways of life. Regardless, you wrongly assume that white people are going to be “lost” or “lose their identity” if they do not view race as being number one criteria.

    Race is an important aspect of individual and group identity, different races build different societies that reflect their natures, and it is entirely normal for whites (or for people of any other race) to want to be the majority race in their own homeland. As for the extinction threat, see above.

    LOL, no. Where do you come up with such things?

    Agreed. Asians can’t be black just like Arabs, Amerindians, mestizos, and castizos can’t be white. If the U.S. government decided to include Asians under the black category in the census, that doesn’t mean Asians are actually black, now does it? It would be pure nonsense. In fact, Arabs know they aren’t white and are lobbying to have a Middle Eastern and North African (MENA) category added. As I’ve shown, calling all these other groups white, when they really aren’t, can lead to some absurd conclusions.

    In that period of time. Regardless,

    But key in showing that the different immigrant and racial groups were not viewed as being equal.

    Not official segregation. But there were ethnic enclaves, i.e. ghettos.

    Mostly of their own making.

    Hispanic, non-Hispanic White, Chicano…it’s all the same, right? Besides, it really depends how much “white blood” Mexicans have, right?

    That’s precisely the point. Only criollos might be considered white. Castizos, mestizos, and Amerindians are not, no matter what the U.S. government says.

    White, yes. Desirable ethnic group, not necessarily.

    I would argue that they were undesirable mostly due to Protestant vs. Catholic squabbles, not due to racial incompatibility. Any pseudo-arguments based on race were used in the larger context of anti-Catholic rhetoric. This is reinforced by the fact that the English aren’t just made up of Anglo-Saxons. They include Normans and Ancient Britons as well. Both of these sub-races are more “swarthy.” Still, Southern and Eastern Europeans were treated as a higher “caste,” if you will, than Chinese, Mexicans, or blacks. And of course, this being key, they were considered white right from the start.

    Therefore, there is no contradiction when modern, non-WASP “Alt-Right” whites oppose non-white immigration today. The situations are completely different, the immigrant groups in question are not equal, and race plays a much more meaningful and prominent role this time around. The modern welfare state is an important factor to consider as well. Here’s a semi-relevant link with regard to the “They do the jobs we won’t do” argument.
    https://cis.org/Report/There-Are-No-Jobs-Americans-Wont-Do

    LOL. Whites as humans are able to breed in a wide range of areas. It has been proven.

    Where should we go exactly? Antarctica?

    Moreover, recall that this “loss of habitat” was something that natives in the Americas endured.

    Now you’re getting it.

    Corrected for accuracy –> The search for a place of residence by white people has in part led to suburbanization in large part due to financial and environmental factors, with racial animus also playing a role. But middle class whites want to be around other middle class folk regardless of race or ethnicity.

    Not if they have a choice. White, black, mestizo, Asian, it doesn’t matter. All races have shown they prefer to live among their own kind, regardless of income.

    Indeed, we do. We just do not have to abide by YOUR standards. That is our liberty.

    No, most whites do not have a healthy racial identity. Unless, you consider black, mestizo, and Asian racial identity as being unhealthy. Because those groups’ racial identities differ from that of most whites nowadays.

    OR, it is people who know exactly what is going on and make decisions for themselves. See, if you insist that whites have been brainwashed, then they really are not that bright. They allow themselves to easily get duped, and thus should not breed because of this major personality flaw. The fact is that we have access to much information, and it pains you greatly that white people are choosing to exercise their freedom in a way that you oppose.

    The how and why of our enslavement might be a topic for another time. Suffice to say, most whites have not thought critically about race, and many don’t even believe that race actually exists. This is all by design, of course. And if they have thought about these things, many are too afraid to speak of them publicly. We have seen how harshly white advocates are treated by the government and media.

    In the words of the great Sam T. Francis:
    As long as whites continue to avoid and deny their own racial identity, at a time when almost every other racial and ethnic category is rediscovering and asserting its own, whites will have no chance to resist their dispossession and their eventual possible physical destruction. Before we can seriously discuss any concrete proposals for preserving our culture and its biological and demographic foundations, we have to address and correct the problem we inflict on ourselves, our own lack of a racial consciousness and the absence of a common will to act in accordance with it.

  306. Corvinus says:

    “It could be centuries away…”

    Exactly…COULD. Glad you are making progress.

    “but it will happen as long as whites continue to be threatened by the four causes of reproductive failure (extinction): loss of habitat, invasive species, hybridization, and excessive predation (hot or cold genocide).”

    Whites continue to breed, they live in communities of their own free will, they do endure threats of all kinds, but they are not a target for extermination. Try again.

    “I’m glad you agree that Arabs, Jews, and most Hispanics aren’t white.”

    Arabs and Hispanics are white–remember, you had said Phoenicians were white (they originated in Bahrain). Jews, there are different types.

    “Race is an important aspect of individual and group identity, different races build different societies that reflect their natures, and it is entirely normal for whites (or for people of any other race) to want to be the majority race in their own homeland. As for the extinction threat, see above.”

    You mean race is one of many important aspects of individual and group identity. You people from different races may consist of a wide range of ethnic groups who build different societies that reflect their environment, and it is entirely normal for those groups to may prefer to be the majority in an area they helped to develop. On the other hand, it is also entirely normal for those groups to blend in with other groups.

    “Asians can’t be black”

    Right.

    “just like Arabs, Amerindians, mestizos, and castizos can’t be white.”

    Try again.

    “In fact, Arabs know they aren’t white and are lobbying to have a Middle Eastern and North African (MENA) category added.”

    Representing distinct ethnicities.

    “I would argue that they were undesirable mostly due to Protestant vs. Catholic squabbles, not due to racial incompatibility.”

    You mean and also due to ethnic incompatibility.

    “This is reinforced by the fact that the English aren’t just made up of Anglo-Saxons. They include Normans and Ancient Britons as well. Both of these sub-races are more “swarthy.””

    We already established it was different ethnic groups, not sub races.

    “Still, Southern and Eastern Europeans were treated as a higher “caste,” if you will, than Chinese, Mexicans, or blacks.”

    Regardless, Southern and Eastern Europeans were looked down upon. As always, you need a history lesson.

    The notion of “whites” or “European-whites” being bound together came about as a result of Social Darwinism and imperialism in the late 1800’s–the distinction that separated “us” from “them”. In this manner, the “lowest-rung” whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their “pecking order” within the European hierarchy. The following source offers extensive evidence to prove this point.

    http://science.jrank.org/pages/10962/Race-Racism-in-Europe-French-Revolution-Nation.html

    One of the first and most important thinkers of the nineteenth century to elaborate this view of society was Joseph-Arthur de Gobineau, who began publishing his L’essai sur l’inegalité des races humaines (Essay on the inequality of the human races) in 1853. Gobineau’s history presented human development for the first time as a contest of races. His book was heavily researched in an attempt to draw together the most up-to-date scholarship of the new realms of science, especially German archaeology and philology and French anthropology. He concluded that contemporary nations were the patrimony of a racial past defined by the conquest of weaker races by stronger ones. He posited three great races, the white, the black, and the yellow, that engaged in constant battle. For Gobineau, the victor and true driving force of human history was the white, or European, race. Yet, this victory came always at a price. Lesser races never disappeared. Instead, they mixed into the conquering races, leaving a weaker whole. The mixture, in fact, elevated lower races, in which he included the yellow and the black and their lingering influence among European peasantry and urban working classes, while the white race was degraded.

    Georges Vacher de Lapouge, in his study of European skulls in 1888, saw three European races and ordered their quality and value: European Man, Alpine Man, and Homo Contractus. He argued that none of these races directly correlated with a specific nation, but his descriptions of their behaviors and religious ideas were clearly meant to correspond to Germany, Southern Europe, and the population of European Jews. The naturalized German citizen Houston Stewart Chamberlain wrote in 1899 that the German race struggled to maintain its purity because of the Darwinian form of natural selection that caused Germans to feel a revulsion toward intermixing with lesser races. Overall, this putative science of race uncoupled nationalism from its liberal roots, implying that those who lived within a national community did not necessarily belong. One could act, speak, or feel German or French but never be German or French.

    In newly unified Italy, northern Italians in Lombardy saw the threat of southern peoples, the Sicilians or Neapolitans, as racially enervating. They were thought to be different because of their hot-blooded, less rational characters—elements believed to emanate from their hotter climate and their proximity to Africa. Similar ideas existed in Spain toward those from the south, in particular Andalu sia. In northern Spain, notions of racial purity became important adjuncts of the Basque nationalist movement that sprang up in the late nineteenth century. The presence of foreign guest workers, or maketos, from other parts of Spain, was perceived as a threat to Basque purity. Sabino Arana, an early founder of Basque nationalism, proposed miscegenation laws in 1901 to prohibit the marriage of Basques to Spaniards.

    Imperialism helped solidify a view of the world as a hierarchy of races with Europeans at the zenith and all others arrayed below. One ugly symbol of this worldview was the “human zoo” that appeared throughout fin de siècle Europe in international fairs and other public spectacles. This kind of menagerie, replete with dioramic portrayals of humans living in their “typical” habitat, produced wide-eyed amazement among Europeans of the late nineteenth century and established racial hierarchy not just as an elite, scientific view of history but also as a popular one. By the 1880’s and 189’0s, race existed as a concrete idea recognizable to any European. Race became an essential element of national strength—and required defense and protection.

    “Therefore, there is no contradiction when modern, non-WASP “Alt-Right” whites oppose non-white immigration today.”

    Of course there is a contradiction. You just do not want to believe it. Deal with it and move on.

    “All races have shown they prefer to live among their own kind, regardless of income.”

    You mean some people within each race have that preference.

    “Most whites do not have a healthy racial identity.”

    Actually, whites do have a healthy racial identity. It just bothers you that they are making their own decisions on this matter that you oppose because they have thought critically about race.

    • Replies: @FvS
  307. FvS says:
    @Corvinus

    Exactly…COULD. Glad you are making progress.

    Just because you don’t know the EXACT date of a predicted outcome, that doesn’t mean it will never happen. That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.

    Whites continue to breed, they live in communities of their own free will, they do endure threats of all kinds, but they are not a target for extermination. Try again.

    Haha, don’t be naive.
    https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/ageing/replacement-migration.asp

    Arabs and Hispanics are white–remember, you had said Phoenicians were white (they originated in Bahrain). Jews, there are different types.

    No, no, no. Arabs and (most) Hispanics are not white. You are confusing caucasoid with white. All whites are caucasoid, but not all caucasoids are white. White means the native European people. It’s another word for European caucasoid. Why is this so hard for you to understand? Arabs know they aren’t white! That’s why they’re lobbying to have the MENA category added. The U.S. census categories are garbage. Although Arabs are caucasoid, they cluster separately from Europeans. Jews ride the line genetically, but they’ve proven themselves to be hostile to the European peoples throughout history. And only European caucasoid Hispanics are white. If they are mixed with Amerindians, they are mixed race. Hence the terms mestizo and castizo. Also, I never mentioned Phoenicians being white…

    You mean race is one of many important aspects of individual and group identity. You people from different races may consist of a wide range of ethnic groups who build different societies that reflect their environment, and it is entirely normal for those groups to may prefer to be the majority in an area they helped to develop. On the other hand, it is also entirely normal for those groups to blend in with other groups.

    Race is the dominant factor. This is evidenced by how the races in America vary in achievement and how they groups themselves, despite all being ethnic Americans.

    You mean and also due to ethnic incompatibility.

    Sure, but religion seemed to be the biggest division. The incompatibilities of different Europeans pail in comparison to the incompatibilities of Europeans and non-Europeans, as I’ve said a million times.

    We already established it was different ethnic groups, not sub races.

    No. Anglo-Saxons, Normans, and Ancient Britons were also genetically distinct from each other to varying degrees. Anglo-Saxons tend to be fairer, Normans a bit more French in their appearance, and Ancient Britons the most “swarthy.”

    Regardless, Southern and Eastern Europeans were looked down upon.

    By some people, yes. But you can’t just gloss over the fact that Chinese, Mexicans, Arabs, and blacks were viewed as being below them racially and legally. And of course, those groups aren’t European. Kind of blows up your whole argument when talking about modern immigration.

    The notion of “whites” or “European-whites” being bound together came about as a result of Social Darwinism and imperialism in the late 1800’s–the distinction that separated “us” from “them”. In this manner, the “lowest-rung” whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their “pecking order” within the European hierarchy. The following source offers extensive evidence to prove this point.

    Uhh, yeah… I already said that no one thinks all whites are equal. That would be absurd.

    Of course there is a contradiction. You just do not want to believe it. Deal with it and move on.

    Nice argument. Let me reiterate. The situations are completely different (obviously), the immigrant groups in question are not equal nor would they have been viewed as equal by nativists (you admit this), and race plays a much more meaningful and prominent role this time around (whites vs. non-whites). The modern welfare state is an important factor to consider as well.

    You mean some people within each race have that preference.

    Most. It’s completely natural, though whites will rarely admit it out loud.

    Actually, whites do have a healthy racial identity. It just bothers you that they are making their own decisions on this matter that you oppose because they have thought critically about race.

    No, they don’t, or we wouldn’t be in this mess. Most whites have no racial identity at all because they’re taught from birth that if they do, they’re an evil racist who deserves to have their life ruined.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @Corvinus
  308. @FvS

    WHITES CONTINUE TO BREED

    The most fecund whites are usually poor rural uneducated proles. An exception would be Hasidic Jews in NYC who are also famously poor.

    MOST WHITES HAVE NO RACIAL IDENTITY

    White Americans are mongrels, especially of Old Colonial stock. They have no identity because they are a mixture of 5, 10 different European nationalities. There is no sense of ethnic identity that Jews or Italians have.

    And East Coast whites hide their racial identity behind “ethnic pride”. Nobody can accuse of being a racist for flying the flag of Ireland or Poland or Italy in your yard.

    ALL WHITES ARE NOT EQUAL

    Italians and Jews and the other ethnic white communities of the East Coast or West Coast are not as stricken with Opoid abuse, whiggerdom, Hollywood-brainwashing etc. as Anglo-Saxons.

    • Replies: @FvS
  309. Corvinus says:
    @FvS

    “Just because you don’t know the EXACT date of a predicted outcome, that doesn’t mean it will never happen. That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.”

    Thanks for the strawman. I never directly stated nor made the implication. Again, the white race COULD become extinct. Of course, what is actual likelihood of that event happening? Don’t get mad at me when you make such foolish prognostications.

    “Haha, don’t be naive.”

    It’s not being naive, it’s about being honest. Whites are breeding. Just not in the way you prefer.

    “Race is the dominant factor. This is evidenced by how the races in America vary in achievement and how they groups themselves, despite all being ethnic Americans.”

    You mean some people within each race have that preference.

    Most. It’s completely natural, though whites will rarely admit it out loud.

    Afraid not. People decide for themselves what is the criteria for their own identity. You are merely giving your opinion.

    “White means the native European people. It’s another word for European caucasoid.”

    No.

    “The U.S. census categories are garbage.”

    I will admit they need tweaking.

    “Jews ride the line genetically, but they’ve proven themselves to be hostile to the European peoples throughout history.”

    You mean both groups have been hostile toward one another.

    “Sure, but religion seemed to be the biggest division.”

    Not seemed, it was.

    “The incompatibilities of different Europeans pail in comparison to the incompatibilities of Europeans and non-Europeans, as I’ve said a million times.”

    You can say it a billion times, but those incompatibilities were a big deal. You are being a revisionist historian.

    “By some people, yes. But you can’t just gloss over the fact that Chinese, Mexicans, Arabs, and blacks were viewed as being below them racially and legally.”

    Regardless, the groups were not viewed on the same plane! Moreover, as I submitted into evidence, this concept of “whiteness” was novel. Listen carefully–The notion of “whites” or “European-whites” being bound together came about as a result of Social Darwinism and imperialism in the late 1800’s–the distinction that separated “us” from “them”. In this manner, the “lowest-rung” whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their “pecking order” within the European hierarchy.

    The problem here is that this order was arbitrary!

    “Uhh, yeah… I already said that no one thinks all whites are equal”.

    No one? Really? That is other than reasonable to assume. You do realize that God and Jesus would look at their flock as being equal before them, right? How do you rectify that Christian belief with your racial philosophy?

    “The situations are completely different (obviously)”

    Not as different as you think.

    “the immigrant groups in question are not equal nor would they have been viewed as equal by nativists (you admit this)”

    Equal in what way? Before the law? Before God? Before themselves?

    “and race plays a much more meaningful and prominent role this time around (whites vs. non-whites).”

    Maybe, then again, perhaps not. It’s a matter of perception.

    “No, they don’t, or we wouldn’t be in this mess.”

    Of course whites have a racial identity. It’s what THEY individually desire.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @FvS
  310. @Corvinus

    CORVINUS

    If the white man disappeared from the US tomorrow and the Main Negro strongman in the White House changed every 40 minutes or some cartel of Mestizos was using it to sell drugs the Koreans and Chinese and Russians would be more concerned about the nuclear arsenal.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  311. Corvinus says:
    @jeff stryker

    “If the white man disappeared from the US tomorrow and the Main Negro strongman in the White House changed every 40 minutes or some cartel of Mestizos was using it to sell drugs the Koreans and Chinese and Russians would be more concerned about the nuclear arsenal.”

    LOL. That’s a common Alt Right canard. You can’t be THAT easily duped…

  312. FvS says:
    @jeff stryker

    The most fecund whites are usually poor rural uneducated proles. An exception would be Hasidic Jews in NYC who are also famously poor.

    Yes, dysgenics seems to be the norm these days when it should be the opposite.

    White Americans are mongrels, especially of Old Colonial stock. They have no identity because they are a mixture of 5, 10 different European nationalities. There is no sense of ethnic identity that Jews or Italians have.

    And East Coast whites hide their racial identity behind “ethnic pride”. Nobody can accuse of being a racist for flying the flag of Ireland or Poland or Italy in your yard.

    I recommend Greg Johnson’s chapter on Whiteness in “The White Nationalist Manifesto.”
    https://archive.org/details/TheWhiteNationalistManifestoGregJohnson

    Italians and Jews and the other ethnic white communities of the East Coast or West Coast are not as stricken with Opoid abuse, whiggerdom, Hollywood-brainwashing etc. as Anglo-Saxons.

    Italians don’t have the same opioid abuse problems mainly because of the rural vs. urban dynamic. It probably doesn’t have anything to do with them being Italians, but you never know. They are still pretty stricken with the whiggerdom and Hollywood-brainwashing viruses, imo.

    And on the subject of Jews…

    Opoid abuse

    https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a12775932/sackler-family-oxycontin/
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sackler_family

    whiggerdom

    http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/Entertainment_News_5/article_8500.shtml
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rubin

    Hollywood-brainwashing

  313. FvS says:
    @Corvinus

    Thanks for the strawman. I never directly stated nor made the implication. Again, the white race COULD become extinct. Of course, what is actual likelihood of that event happening? Don’t get mad at me when you make such foolish prognostications.

    The “could” was referring to the time-frame, not whether it was going to happen or not. Whites are becoming minorities in their own countries due to mass immigration and have sub-replacement birth rates. What part of this is so hard for you to understand?

    It’s not being naive, it’s about being honest. Whites are breeding. Just not in the way you prefer.

    I would see whites thrive and prosper in lands of their own. You would see them destroyed. That’s the difference between us.

    You mean some people within each race have that preference.

    Most. I noticed you just glossed over my other point.

    Afraid not. People decide for themselves what is the criteria for their own identity. You are merely giving your opinion.

    It’s merely my opinion that most blacks prefer to live in black neighborhoods and Hispanics (mestizos) in Hispanic neighborhoods? How many white people do you know that would prefer to live in a black neighborhood over a white one?

    “White means the native European people. It’s another word for European caucasoid.”

    No.

    Lmao, check out these white guys. Imagine all the white privilege.

    You mean both groups have been hostile toward one another.

    Jews bring it on themselves.

    You can say it a billion times, but those incompatibilities were a big deal. You are being a revisionist historian.

    It’s all relative.

    Regardless, the groups were not viewed on the same plane!…In this manner, the “lowest-rung” whites were deemed superior in social standing than their darkie counterparts, while at the same time knew full well their “pecking order” within the European hierarchy.

    Sure. This helps my case, not yours.

    No one? Really? That is other than reasonable to assume. You do realize that God and Jesus would look at their flock as being equal before them, right? How do you rectify that Christian belief with your racial philosophy?

    This is a problem for Christians, and I haven’t heard a lot of satisfying answers from them on this issue. It’s usually something along the lines of God separated all the tribes/races/nations on purpose (Tower of Babel), and they should stay separate.

    Not as different as you think.

    They really are, as I clearly laid out.

    Equal in what way? Before the law? Before God? Before themselves?

    Racially/genetically, culturally, legally.

    Maybe, then again, perhaps not. It’s a matter of perception.

    No, definitely. White Americans sure as hell aren’t being replaced by Norwegians, and Swedes sure as hell aren’t being replaced by Australians.

    Of course whites have a racial identity. It’s what THEY individually desire.

    Most whites do not think of themselves as white, they do not act cohesively as whites, and they do not think being white is important or even meaningful. I would call this a lack of racial of identity.

    As long as whites continue to avoid and deny their own racial identity, at a time when almost every other racial and ethnic category is rediscovering and asserting its own, whites will have no chance to resist their dispossession and their eventual possible physical destruction. Before we can seriously discuss any concrete proposals for preserving our culture and its biological and demographic foundations, we have to address and correct the problem we inflict on ourselves, our own lack of a racial consciousness and the absence of a common will to act in accordance with it. – Sam T. Francis

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  314. Corvinus says:
    @FvS

    “The “could” was referring to the time-frame, not whether it was going to happen or not.”

    The fact is that white people COULD go extinct. The probability is almost nil. What part of this is so hard for you to understand?

    “Whites are becoming minorities in their own countries due to mass immigration and have sub-replacement birth rates. What part of this is so hard for you to understand?”

    Whites invaded several nations. That is how those countries are “theirs”. What part of this is so hard for you to understand?

    “I would see whites thrive and prosper in lands of their own. You would see them destroyed. That’s the difference between us.”

    Except that is not my position. Whites are thriving and prospering of their own accord. You just don’t like that they may choose a path other than your own on how to get there.

    “It’s merely my opinion that most blacks prefer to live in black neighborhoods and Hispanics (mestizos) in Hispanic neighborhoods?”

    It’s your opinion that whites MUST adhere to your advice every step of the way, lest they be deemed by YOU as “race traitors”. I’m afraid life doesn’t work the way you want it to work.

    Again, some people have your preferences.

    “How many white people do you know that would prefer to live in a black neighborhood over a white one?”

    You’re begging the question here. It’s about socioeconomic status. Rich people live in rich neighborhoods. Poor people live in poor neighborhoods. Blacks, whites, Asians, and Hispanics who have money generally reside in safer areas.

    “Jews bring it on themselves.”

    Actually, Christians, Jews, and Muslims bring it upon themselves.

    No one? Really? That is other than reasonable to assume. You do realize that God and Jesus would look at their flock as being equal before them, right? How do you rectify that Christian belief with your racial philosophy?

    “This is a problem for Christians…”

    So are you or are you not a Christian?

    “and I haven’t heard a lot of satisfying answers from them on this issue.”

    Haven’t heard or refuse to hear what you want to hear?

    “It’s usually something along the lines of God separated all the tribes/races/nations on purpose (Tower of Babel), and they should stay separate.”

    Again, the number of Christians who feel this way are relatively low. Regardless, please directly answer the questions–You do realize that God and Jesus would look at their flock as being equal before them, right? How do you rectify that Christian belief with your racial philosophy?

    Let me add another one–MUST Christians adjust their beliefs to your racial philosophy? Why/why not?

    “They really are, as I clearly laid out.”

    No, we really are not all that different.

    “White Americans sure as hell aren’t being replaced by Norwegians, and Swedes sure as hell aren’t being replaced by Australians.”

    I see what you did here. White Americans is not on the same definitional plane as Norwegians, Swedes, and Austrialians. Had you said European-Americans, then I get your point. But Americans are mutts, a mix of different groups of people. Americans consist of different races and ethnic groups. That’s just how it is and has been.

    “Most whites do not think of themselves as white, they do not act cohesively as whites, and they do not think being white is important or even meaningful.”

    Actually, most whites do think themselves as white, just not in your prescribed, narrow definition.

    “I would call this a lack of racial of identity.”

    Indeed, YOU. Ultimately, you are giving your opinion here. Whites can make their own determinations about race and culture. They are not avoiding or denying their identity, they create it for themselves!

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    , @FvS
  315. @Corvinus

    CORVINUS

    Australians in my experience are more hybrid than American whites because US ethnic communities were so vast that it was rarer (Until 1970 or so) for a Swede in Minnesota to marry an Italian from New Jersey or an Armenian from California.

    Also, America was always quasi-non-secular so there was more of a big deal among say, Italian Catholics about their daughter marrying some Lutheran.

    However, Australians are less likely to have aboriginal admixture than white Americans of Old Colonial stock because while a Cherokee woman might be attractive the aboriginal women were deemed hideous by English setters of Australia.

  316. FvS says:
    @Corvinus

    The fact is that white people COULD go extinct. The probability is almost nil. What part of this is so hard for you to understand?

    The conditions have been met. If nothing changes, we know what the result will be given enough time. It’s the same way scientists predict the extinction of any other unique species.

    Whites invaded several nations. That is how those countries are “theirs”. What part of this is so hard for you to understand?

    Ah, yes the “whites deserve it” argument. A classic of the anti-white crowd.

    Except that is not my position. Whites are thriving and prospering of their own accord. You just don’t like that they may choose a path other than your own on how to get there.

    What’s it like to be able live in complete denial of reality?

    It’s your opinion that whites MUST adhere to your advice every step of the way, lest they be deemed by YOU as “race traitors”. I’m afraid life doesn’t work the way you want it to work.

    Again, some people have your preferences.

    It is a fact that it is not in the best interest of whites to become minorities in their own countries, or to even allow a significant percentage of non-whites to live in them for that matter. Ideally, there would be none. 🙂

    You’re begging the question here. It’s about socioeconomic status. Rich people live in rich neighborhoods. Poor people live in poor neighborhoods. Blacks, whites, Asians, and Hispanics who have money generally reside in safer areas.

    You’re dodging the question. Also, even rich people prefer to live among their own kind.

    Actually, Christians, Jews, and Muslims bring it upon themselves.

    But White European vs. Jew antagonism was typically Jewish instigated.

    So are you or are you not a Christian?

    I’m not a Christian. I’m agnostic, leaning more soft atheist. Like I said, I dislike Christian universalism. Galatians 3:28 comes to mind. It’s funny that white Christians have typically been the most racially aware while atheists have often been racial egalitarian nutjobs. Really, it should be the exact opposite.

    Let me add another one–MUST Christians adjust their beliefs to your racial philosophy? Why/why not?

    Ideally, yes. For white survival and a better society for us all.

    No, we really are not all that different.

    Okay, time to flood Asia, Africa, the Middle East, and South America with white people. I’m sure no one will mind.#DefendDiversity#ASafeSpaceForEveryRace.

    I see what you did here. White Americans is not on the same definitional plane as Norwegians, Swedes, and Austrialians. Had you said European-Americans, then I get your point. But Americans are mutts, a mix of different groups of people. Americans consist of different races and ethnic groups. That’s just how it is and has been.

    American is a white ethnic group formed from the blending of many old world European ones. White American is a little redundant. Blacks, mestizos, and Asians aren’t really Americans.

    Actually, most whites do think themselves as white, just not in your prescribed, narrow definition.

    If they do, it’s typically suicidal “I deserve to go extinct” whiteness.

    Indeed, YOU. Ultimately, you are giving your opinion here. Whites can make their own determinations about race and culture. They are not avoiding or denying their identity, they create it for themselves!

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  317. Corvinus says:
    @FvS

    “The conditions have been met. If nothing changes, we know what the result will be given enough time. It’s the same way scientists predict the extinction of any other unique species.”

    No, the conditions for white extinction have other been met. Indeed, you are making a prediction, one that would require the eradication of hundreds of millions of whites. That is what we call wild.

    “Ah, yes the “whites deserve it” argument. A classic of the anti-white crowd.”

    That would be YOU mischaracterizing, yet again, my argument.

    “What’s it like to be able live in complete denial of reality?”

    You are projecting again. The fact is that whites are thriving and prospering of their own accord. You simply do not like they have the liberty to think how they want when it comes to race and culture.

    “It is a fact that it is not in the best interest of whites to become minorities in their own countries, or to even allow a significant percentage of non-whites to live in them for that matter.”

    You mean you think it is in the best interest of whites.

    “But White European vs. Jew antagonism was typically Jewish instigated.”

    Actually, it was mutual.

    “I’m not a Christian. I’m agnostic, leaning more soft atheist. Like I said, I dislike Christian universalism. Galatians 3:28 comes to mind.

    “It’s funny that white Christians have typically been the most racially aware while atheists have often been racial egalitarian nutjobs. Really, it should be the exact opposite.”

    Actually, it really depends. Some white Christians and atheists are racially aware, while some white Christians and atheists believe in racial equality.

    “Ideally, yes. For white survival and a better society for us all.”

    Yes, YOUR idea. But, in the end, Christians will not be virtue signaled to death by you to merely change their beliefs to suit your racial philosophy.

    “American is a white ethnic group formed from the blending of many old world European ones.”

    You mean American is an ethnic group formed from the blending of different ethnic groups.

    “If they do, it’s typically suicidal “I deserve to go extinct” whiteness.”

    No, it’s merely “I’m white, and I identify with that race in my own fashion”.

    • Replies: @bomag
  318. bomag says:
    @Corvinus

    On cue, three replies in you offer up autistic ramblings that add nothing.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  319. Corvinus says:
    @bomag

    Right on time, you cannot muster any cogent rebuttal. Do you have anything substantial to say?

    • Replies: @bomag
  320. bomag says:
    @Corvinus

    A rebuttal requires an argument on the other side.

    Your usual:

    )argue over the definition of a word. In this case, “extinction”.

    )miss the point

    )tell us things are not as bad as indicated

    )”that’s your opinion”

    )moral equivalency

    )all things are a continuum

    )opinion time

    )definition parsing

    )everybody’s okay. Kumbaya

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  321. Corvinus says:
    @bomag

    “A rebuttal requires an argument on the other side.”

    Which I have given. You are just too headstrong to admit it.

    Your usual:

    “)argue over the definition of a word. In this case, “extinction”.”

    When a claim is made that whites WILL be “extinct”, and criteria used that is not normally associated with that term, indeed, there needs to be further discussion.

    “)miss the point”

    OK, if accurate, what point was exactly missed? Why? See, if you are going to make accusations, muster up the courage to respond.

    “)tell us things are not as bad as indicated”

    Sometimes being outside of the arena and not having skin in the game enables those to see both sides more clearly.

    “)”that’s your opinion””

    Indeed, it is an opinion. We all have them. However, some opinions carry more weight than others when backed with evidence and reasoning.

    “)moral equivalency”

    Exactly.

    “)all things are a continuum”

    ‘Tis true.

    “)opinion time”

    Indeed.

    “)definition parsing”

    Yep.

    “)everybody’s okay. Kumbaya”

    No.

    So, again, are you going to actually respond in a substantive manner, or run away from discourse?

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