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In November 1940, a six-member delegation of Hitler Youth visited Japan, tasked by Adolf Hitler himself with a single task: “The only thing you need do is thoroughly experience the great spirit of the Japanese people that has arisen in their national polity.”[1]Quoted in Daihonzan Eiheiji: Sansho, August 5, 1941, p. 279. In honor of their visit, the Japanese composed a song entitled Banzai Hitorā Jūgento (Long Live Hitler Youth!, video here). As part of their mission of spiritual and cultural exchange, the young Germans were allowed to stay overnight at Eiheiji, one of Japan’s two most important Zen temples, to observe and get a taste of the life of the monks.

The visit was recorded in a Japanese article entitled “Hitler Youth (Blue Eyes Spend One Night as Zen Guests).”[2]“Blue eyes” is a Japanese term for Westerners. The text is a fairly fluffy report. The author claims that the Japanese guests ate more skillfully with chop sticks than some visiting Chinese monks had previously. The following happened as the Germans sampled the monastery’s Buddhist vegetarian cuisine:

[Head of the Hitler Youth Delegation Heinrich] Jürgens went on to say that there were many vegetarians in Germany though not for religious reasons. While the vegetarianism of the Führer Adolf Hitler was well known, Jürgens explained that he personally leaned in that direction inasmuch as he normally ate only fruit for breakfast. Hearing this, Zen Master Katō asked, “Does that mean that Führer Hitler is a Zen priest?” With that, everyone burst out laughing.

Zen masters are famous for their sense of humor!

Jürgens went on to observe that the people of the Third Reich were seeking a new spirituality (journalist’s summary):

The people of present-day Germany are no longer satisfied with the religion they have had up to now. However, a new religion that can fully satisfy the German people has yet to be born. Therefore, until a new national religion appears, they have, albeit reluctantly, to depend on the religion they’ve had up to now. The Hitler Youth take the same position.

Hitler Youth delegation with monks at the head Zen temple of Eiheiji, Japan
Hitler Youth delegation with monks at the head Zen temple of Eiheiji, Japan

These events and documents have been unearthed by Brian Victoria, an American Zen priest who is very critical of the Japanese Zen establishment’s support for the Japanese war effort during the Second World War.[3]Brian Victoria, “The Zen of Hitler Jugend,” The Asia-Pacific Journal, Vol. 14, Issue 2, No. 2, January 18, 2016. https://apjjf.org/2016/02/2-Victoria.html His article includes a full translation of the contemporary Japanese article on the Hitler Youth visit. Whatever one thinks of Victoria’s opinions, he has done valuable work as a historian in bringing to light this perhaps surprising relationship between Japanese religion and German fascism. The present article largely draws on his pioneering work.

While the Hitlerians were notorious for their national chauvinism, they also could recognize a gifted foreign people and culture when they saw one. Victoria observes that, from both a spiritual and cultural point of view, many leading National Socialists actually were extremely admiring of Japanese society and culture, in some respects even considering them superior to Germany’s.

Hitler reportedly told his minister of armaments, Albert Speer: “You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good?”[4]Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich (New York: Macmillan, 1971) p. 143. Hitler also had a high opinion of Islam as a warrior religion. One finds similar comments recorded in his private Table Talk, including marked attacks on Christianity and championing of science, while recognizing the utility of religion for the masses. However, the reliability of the Table Talk is unclear. Rudolf Hess, Hitler’s amiable deputy-führer, argued that melding into the community came easier for the Japanese: “We, too, [like the Japanese] are battling to destroy individualism. We are struggling for a new Germany based on the new idea of totalitarianism. In Japan this way of thinking comes naturally to the people.[5]Quoted in Brian Victoria, Zen War Stories, frontispiece (London: Routledge Curzon, 2003).

The German people themselves came to be greatly impressed by the Japanese war effort. An August 1942 Situation Report by the SS’s Sicherheitsdienst (Security Service, the SS’s intelligence agency) worried that positive reports of the Japanese’s heroic efforts were beginning to intimidate ordinary Germans:

The former view, that the German soldier is the best in the world, has been confused by descriptions of the Japanese swimmers who removed mines laid before Hong Kong or the Japanese pilots who, with contempt for death, pounce with their bombs on enemy ships. This has partially caused something like an inferiority complex. The Japanese look like a kind of Super-Teuton [Germane im Quadrat].[6]Quoted in Herbert Worm, “Japanologie im Nationalsozialismus“ in: Gerhard Krebs & Bernd Martin (eds.), Formierung und Fall der Achse Berlin-Tōkyo (München: Iudicium Verlag 1994), pp. 153-186.

The Germans ultimately tied the Japanese’s exceptional capacity for patriotic self-sacrifice to their culture and spirituality, namely the legacy of Shinto, Buddhism (especially Zen), and the samurai.

German nationalists in fact often had a very conflicted view of German history and culture. Friedrich Nietzsche’s critique of Christianity as a Jewish-inspired slave religion – emphasizing meekness, humility, the righteousness of the wretched, and otherwordly salvation – had widespread currency in the Third Reich. Piously Christian National Socialists sought to purge Christianity of Jewish and slavish elements, emphasizing the religion’s Germanization in the early Middle Ages[7]On which see this excellent work of history inspired by sociobiology: James C. Russell, The Germanization of Early Medieval Christianity: A Sociohistorical Approach to Religious Transformation (Oxford University Press, 1996). and the work of German Christians like the Zen-like mystic Master Eckhart and the zealous anti-Semite Martin Luther.

Heinrich Himmler, the head of the elite military and police forces known as the SS, sought to create some kind of neo-Pagan spirituality for his men, drawing from ancient Germanic Paganism, Hinduism, and even Buddhism. If you browse the publications dedicated to the SS elite – notably the various Leithefte (“Lead-Journals” a kind of magazine) – one is struck at how ecumenical these may be in terms of their civilizational inspiration. In addition to articles on German, Viking, or ancient Germanic history and art, one may also find ones on Japan (not surprising as an ally) or indeed ancient Greece, Rome, Persia, and India. This is because the latter four civilizations were founded by the Aryan conquerors – today known under the more politically correct term “Indo-European” – which the Germans fiercely identified with (indeed, sometimes terming this people the “Indo-Germanics”). Himmler was fairly serious about this, organizing a famous 1938-39 research expedition to Tibet and carrying with him the ancient Hindu epic the Baghavad Gita, considering its ethos of perfectly willful but detached action to be perfect for the SS man.

In short, German nationalists were frustrated by the fractious nature of German cultural and spiritual history – long torn between different states, religions, and civilizational influences. Christianity in particular was often criticized as a universalist religion hailing from the Middle East, relatively indifferent to the racial struggle for survival.

In contrast, Japanese history and culture was – and is largely still – marked by a great coherence and congruity, a self-contained ethno-cultural world. Victoria notes:

By comparison, the Japanese side clearly believed they already possessed an unshakable and powerful spiritual foundation, one eminently suited to mobilizing the Japanese people in the war effort. Although not directly discussed in this article, this widespread belief in the strength of its spiritual foundation, including a divine emperor rooted in Shinto, allowed Japan to entertain the idea the country could prevail over the West, despite the recognized material superiority of the latter.[8]Victoria, “Hitler Jugend,” Asia-Pacific Journal, 14, 2, 2, January 18, 2016. https://apjjf.org/2016/02/2-Victoria.html

Japanese religion consists firstly of Shinto, essentially the Japanese version of Paganism, with spirits inhabiting the entire land of Japan, family household spirits, Japan itself, and the emperor being divine. This entailed a religious duty for the Japanese to defend and perpetuate their nation and state. In all this, one is struck at the parallels between Shinto and the ancient Greco-Roman Pagan religion.[9]On which, see Fustel de Coulanges’ The Ancient City (also translated as Aryan Civilization) and Guillaume Durocher, “Biopolitics, Racialism, and Nationalism in Ancient Greece: A Summary View,” The Occidental Observer, August 11, 2018. https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/08/11/bio...-view/ Both seem to reflect the primordial human religion, essentially deifying the tribal lineage itself, which must have predominated in Eurasia before the onset of the conciliatory and universalist religions of the Axial Age, which Japan was partly aloof from by its isolation.

In addition to Shinto, the Japanese had adopted Buddhism from China in the sixth century, which had led to a certain amount of conflict between the two religions over the centuries. Ultimately, it seems to me the naïve vitalism of Shinto and ineffable[10]Realistic? Pessimistic? Nihilist? discipline of Buddhism – in particular Zen – has proved an extremely fertile combination for Japan.

Both native Japanese and German visitors agreed that Zen provided much of the foundation for Japan’s spiritual power and cultural fecundity. Certain Germans were seeking to take inspiration from Japan so as to strengthen their own nation’s spirit. A prominent case of this was Count Karlfried Dürckheim, a card-carrying National Socialist (since 1933) who worked in Japan doing ‘cultural diplomacy’ for Germany during the war years. After the war, Dürckheim became a respected psychotherapist and quasi-Zen guru, writing books well into the 1990s.

Dürckheim was on a quest to refound German spirituality on a Völkisch (ethno-nationalist) basis. In this, he drew from the thought and meditative practice of numerous historical figures, including Master Eckhart, Saint Ignatius of Loyola, and the Zen masters. He said of Zen: “Zen is above all a religion of will and willpower; it is profoundly averse to intellectual philosophy and discursive thought, relying, instead, on intuition as the direct and immediate path to truth.” The historian Karl Baier says that Dürckheim was so admiring that “one sometimes gets the impression he thinks the Japanese would be the better Nazis.”[11]Karl Baier, “The Formation and Principles of Count Dürckheim’s Nazi Worldview and his interpretation of Japanese Spirit and Zen,” The Asia-Pacific Journal, Vol. 11, Issue 48, No. 3, December 2, 2013. https://apjjf.org/2013/11/48/Karl-Baier/4041/article.html This article is incidentally an excellent overview of a twentieth-century ethnocentric German’s attempts to revive European spirituality.

Dürkheim was not alone in his interest. The philosopher Eugen Herrigel, also an NSDAP member, also spent time in Japan, an experience which would for the basis of the postwar classic Zen and the Art of Archery (setting the precedent for innumerable Zen and . . . books, e.g. motorcycle repair, dive-bombing, etc).

In 1941, the Zen scholar D. T. Suzuki published the German translation of his Zen and Japanese Culture – another classic in the field – which received rave reviews in the German press. The Völkischer Beobachter (“Folkish Observer,” the official NSDAP newspaper with some 1.7 million readers in 1944) published four entire pages of the book. The Beobachter’s review of Suzuki’s book observed that Japan “has been able to survive for two and a half millennia in a rare concord of race, religion, and politics. . . . The outstanding national virtues of the Japanese are anchored in the Zen sect, a fact that signifies a monumental endorsement of this practical life-art.”[12]Quoted in Brian Victoria, “Japanese Buddhism in the Third Reich,” Journal of the Oxford Centre for Buddhist Studies, vol. 7, November 2014, p. 210. http://www.jocbs.org/index.php/jocbs/article/view/101 German interest in Zen also extended to the highest academic circles. The famously inscrutable philosopher Martin Heidegger reportedly said of Suzuki: “If I understand this man correctly, this is what I have been trying to say in all my writings.”

Above all, the Germans admired the spirit of the samurai, which itself was said to be partly inspired by Zen’s emphasis on discipline and impermanence, culminating in a rigorous lifestyle unafraid of death. The definitive statement of the samurai ethos is the remarkable book Hagakure – which I recommend to all – which are the memoirs of a retired samurai-turned-monk Yamamoto Tsunemoto. Himmler was so enthralled with the samurai that in 1938 he arranged for a booklet to be published on them, printing 52,000 copies . . . one for each SS-man. He wrote: “Using this short history of the samurai, we wish to call to mind some long forgotten truths . . . that these are usually elite minority groups that endow the worldly existence of a nation with eternal life.” The motto of the SS, Meine Ehre heißt Treue (My Honor is Loyalty), strongly parallels the samurai’s absolute emphasis on single-minded devotion to their lord.

Himmler apparently saw spiritual development as central to good leadership. He reportedly told his Finnish masseur: “I admire the wisdom of the founders of Indian religion, who required that their kings and dignitaries retreat every year to monasteries for meditation. We will later create similar institutions.”[13]Quoted in Palash Ghosh, “Heinrich Himmler: The Nazi Hindu,” International Business Times, April 10, 2012. https://www.ibtimes.com/heinrich-himmler-nazi-hindu-214444 I understand that this kind of spiritual discipline is increasingly popular among Silicon Valley tech entrepreneurs, notably Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey.

Himmler was then apparently interested in founding the Third Reich on a Traditionalist basis, under the leadership of a military-spiritual elite embodying certain values, rather than liberal-egalitarian values and majority rule. Italian and German fascism were an attempt to refound their polities, replacing liberal-democracy with the rule of something like ‘European samurai.’ The Italian Fascists claimed to be establishing a trincerocrazia (“trench-ocracy”), in which those who had been willing to fight and risk their lives in the trenches of the First World War should rule. Hitler, in the possibly spurious Table Talk attributed to him, argues quite forcefully that Germany should be ruled by a meritocracy (only among Germanics, obviously), of those who showed self-sacrifice and bravery in wartime.

Victoria is quite disturbed by Zen’s emphasis on death.[14]Personally, I would say that most spiritual paths are fundamentally neutral on the question of violence. A spiritual champion like Mahatma Gandhi indeed made a religion of nonviolence. But that is not the only path. How many people – spiritual or not – would, like him, refuse to participate in the Second World War, either for or against Hitler, based on an unwillingness to counter violence with yet more violence? However, risking one’s life for the sake of honor, truth, and the good are central to all traditional ethics grounded in heroism ever since Homer. We are all going to die eventually, why not risk death to live excellently, why cling to an unworthy life? The spirit of Zen and the samurai is different however in adding to this, simultaneously, a commitment to action and a worldly detachment. The samurai, like the Stoic, steels his will, does all he can, knowing he has only his mind to work with, and is utterly detached from the necessarily unpredictable outcome. This is, incidentally, the same spirit that one finds so beautifully expressed in the Baghavad Gita.

Notes

[1] Quoted in Daihonzan Eiheiji: Sansho, August 5, 1941, p. 279.

[2] “Blue eyes” is a Japanese term for Westerners.

[3] Brian Victoria, “The Zen of Hitler Jugend,” The Asia-Pacific Journal, Vol. 14, Issue 2, No. 2, January 18, 2016. https://apjjf.org/2016/02/2-Victoria.html His article includes a full translation of the contemporary Japanese article on the Hitler Youth visit.

[4] Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich (New York: Macmillan, 1971) p. 143. Hitler also had a high opinion of Islam as a warrior religion. One finds similar comments recorded in his private Table Talk, including marked attacks on Christianity and championing of science, while recognizing the utility of religion for the masses. However, the reliability of the Table Talk is unclear.

[5] Quoted in Brian Victoria, Zen War Stories, frontispiece (London: Routledge Curzon, 2003).

[6] Quoted in Herbert Worm, “Japanologie im Nationalsozialismus“ in: Gerhard Krebs & Bernd Martin (eds.), Formierung und Fall der Achse Berlin-Tōkyo (München: Iudicium Verlag 1994), pp. 153-186.

[7] On which see this excellent work of history inspired by sociobiology: James C. Russell, The Germanization of Early Medieval Christianity: A Sociohistorical Approach to Religious Transformation (Oxford University Press, 1996).

[8] Victoria, “Hitler Jugend,” Asia-Pacific Journal, 14, 2, 2, January 18, 2016. https://apjjf.org/2016/02/2-Victoria.html

[9] On which, see Fustel de Coulanges’ The Ancient City (also translated as Aryan Civilization) and Guillaume Durocher, “Biopolitics, Racialism, and Nationalism in Ancient Greece: A Summary View,” The Occidental Observer, August 11, 2018. https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/08/11/biopolitics-racialism-and-nationalism-in-ancient-greece-a-summary-view/

[10] Realistic? Pessimistic? Nihilist?

[11] Karl Baier, “The Formation and Principles of Count Dürckheim’s Nazi Worldview and his interpretation of Japanese Spirit and Zen,” The Asia-Pacific Journal, Vol. 11, Issue 48, No. 3, December 2, 2013. https://apjjf.org/2013/11/48/Karl-Baier/4041/article.html This article is incidentally an excellent overview of a twentieth-century ethnocentric German’s attempts to revive European spirituality.

[12] Quoted in Brian Victoria, “Japanese Buddhism in the Third Reich,” Journal of the Oxford Centre for Buddhist Studies, vol. 7, November 2014, p. 210. http://www.jocbs.org/index.php/jocbs/article/view/101

[13] Quoted in Palash Ghosh, “Heinrich Himmler: The Nazi Hindu,” International Business Times, April 10, 2012. https://www.ibtimes.com/heinrich-himmler-nazi-hindu-214444

[14] Personally, I would say that most spiritual paths are fundamentally neutral on the question of violence. A spiritual champion like Mahatma Gandhi indeed made a religion of nonviolence. But that is not the only path. How many people – spiritual or not – would, like him, refuse to participate in the Second World War, either for or against Hitler, based on an unwillingness to counter violence with yet more violence?

 
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  1. Even under National Socialism, the German armed forces never embraced the “fight to the death” ethos of the Japanese.

    • Replies: @ClassicBenz
    , @Anonn36
  2. This is because the latter four civilizations were founded by the Aryan conquerors – today known under the more politically correct term “Indo-European”

    Why do you keep doing this? Please stop it. Get some HELP. Aryan is an Indo Iranian word. Indo Iranians were completely diffedent from Indo Europeans religiously, racially, linguistically, etc. Nobody refers to Indo-Iranians as “Indo Europeans”. There is no politically correct conspiracy to dissociate Indo-Iranians from Indo Europeans. And Rome and Greece were not foundes by Indo-Iranians.

    The Indo Iranians begin with the end of the Corded Ware culture and the eaatward migration of Northern European pasroralists in to the European and Eurasian steppes, genociding the Indo-Europeans who formerly lived there (such as Yamnaya and Afanasievo). The earliest plausibly “Aryan” cultures were Sintashta and Andronovo, who replaced almost all Indo European cultures on the steppe.

  3. Victor says:

    ” carrying with him the ancient Hindu epic the Baghavad Gita, ”

    Please, the Bhagavad Gita is an episode in the Sanskrit epic Mahabharata.

    It’s a dialogue between Prince Arjuna and Krishna, an avatar of Vishnu, who is
    serving as Arjuna’s charioteer in the battle, which takes place
    when Arjuna balks at killing his cousins.

    Perhaps composed some time between 400 BC and 200 AD.
    Perhaps by multiple authors.

    • Replies: @Brabantian
  4. @Sam Coulton

    Weren’t these Indo-Iranians also Indo-European? The Indo-Iranian language group is considered a branch of the Indo-European family, which would mean Indo-Iranians are Indo-European. The corded ware culture and the northern european pastoralists would also probably be considered to be indo-european.

    As for the term Aryan, according to wikipedia:

    Pre-Proto-Indo-Iranians

    The Proto-Indo-Iranian term is hypothesized to have proto-Indo-European origins,[19][20] while according to Szemerényi it is probably a Near-Eastern loanword from the Ugaritic ary, kinsmen.[27]

    It has been postulated the Proto-Indo-European root word is *haerós with the meanings “members of one’s own (ethnic) group, peer, freeman” as well as the Indo-Iranian meaning of Aryan. Derived from it were words like[28]

    the Hittite prefix arā- meaning member of one’s own group, peer, companion and friend;
    Old Irish aire, meaning “freeman” and “noble”
    Gaulish personal names with Ario-
    Avestan airya- meaning Aryan, Iranian in the larger sense
    Old Indo-Aryan ari- meaning attached to, faithful, devoted person and kinsman
    Old Indo-Aryan aryá- meaning kind, favourable, attached to and devoted
    Old Indo-Aryan árya- meaning Aryan, faithful to the Vedic religion.

    The word *haerós itself is believed to have come from the root *haer- meaning “put together”. The original meaning in Proto-Indo-European had a clear emphasis on the “in-group status” as distinguished from that of outsiders, particularly those captured and incorporated into the group as slaves. While in Anatolia, the base word has come to emphasize personal relationship, in Indo-Iranian the word has taken a more ethnic meaning.[28]

    If that is true the Ire in Ireland is also derivative of Aryan just like Iran is, and possibly also the Greek ‘heros’ which I can find some references saying prior to Homer would have referred to all free Greek men as warriors.

    The term Aryan however has been politically axed due to it’s association with nazism in favor of “proto-Indo-European”.

    By the end of World War II, the word “Aryan” among a number of people had lost its Romantic or idealist connotations and was associated by many with Nazi racism instead.

    By then, the term “Indo-Iranian” and “Indo-European” had made most uses of the term “Aryan” superfluous in the eyes of a number of scholars, and “Aryan” now survives in most scholarly usage only in the term “Indo-Aryan” to indicate (speakers of) North Indian languages. It has been asserted by one scholar that Indo-Aryan and Aryan may not be equated and that such an equation is not supported by the historical evidence,[85] though this extreme viewpoint is not widespread.

    The use of the term to designate speakers of all Indo-European languages in scholarly usage is now regarded by some scholars as an “aberration to be avoided.”[86] However, some authors writing for popular consumption have continued using the word “Aryan” for “all Indo-Europeans” in the tradition of H. G. Wells,[87][88] such as the science fiction author Poul Anderson,[89] and scientists writing for the popular media, such as Colin Renfrew.[90]

    From the wiki on Proto-Indo-Iranian langauge:

    Proto-Indo-Iranian was a satem language, likely removed less than a millennium from its ancestor, the late Proto-Indo-European language

  5. El Dato says:

    Above all, the Germans admired the spirit of the samurai, which itself was said to be partly inspired by Zen’s emphasis on discipline and impermanence, culminating in a rigorous lifestyle unafraid of death.

    They were also not averse to being extreme assholes, not above abusing & murdering members of the lower classes for a bit of sport (think mobsters with military weapons), indulging in heavy palace intrigue and having a terminally retarded sense of preferring to lose life before “losing face” – sometimes resulting in ridiculous (and massive) end-of-life events.

    That’s not how it is done.

    In fact I suspect the modern “samurai glamour” is a leftover from narratives created wholesale in the 30s, with Japan and Nazi mythology feeding on each other.

    Hollywood of course sucks this chrome off a bumper:

    https://www.tofugu.com/japan/bushido/

    [MORE]

    In 1899 Nitobe, “the self-described bridge between Japan and the West” published what would later become his most famous work, a romanticized, Westernized summation of the ideals of Japan’s governing class, Bushido: The Soul of Japan (Braudy 467).

    In his taming of the samurai, Nitobe even justifies their most savage attributes – seppuku (also known as harakiri or ritual suicide) and the sword – under the guise of Christian mores. And it all starts with the soul.

    Nitobe declares that in both Western and Japanese custom, the soul is housed in the stomach. “They (The Bible’s Joseph, David, Isaiah and Jeremiah) all and each endorsed the belief prevalent among the Japanese that in the abdomen was enshrined the soul” (113).

    This assertion allows Nitobe to exalt suicide to a holy act, “The highest estimate placed upon honor was ample excuse with many for taking one’s own life,” before challenging Western readers to resist his interpretation, “I dare say that many good Christians, if only they are honest enough, will confess the fascination of, if not positive admiration for, the sublime composure with which Cato, Brutus, Petronius, and a host of other ancient worthies terminated their own earthly existence.” (113-114).

    The sword receives similar treatment and Nitobe declares swordsmiths to be artists, not artisans; swords not weapons, but representations of their owners’ souls. He explains:

    “The very possession of the dangerous instrument imparts to him (the samurai) a feeling and air of self-respect and responsibility. ‘He beareth not the sword in vain’ (Romans 13:4). What he carries in his belt is a symbol of what he carries in his mind and heart – loyalty and honor… In times of peace .. it is worn with no more use than a crosier by a bishop or a sceptre by a king (132-133).”

    Nitobe’s skilled manipulation dignifies and venerates even Japan’s most “savage” customs. The author’s dedication to and knowledge of Christianity and Western culture allowed him to forge a propaganda tool under the guise of historic fact. Nitobe hoped Bushido: The Soul of Japan would change Western opinions of Japan, raising the country’s status in the world’s eyes.

  6. The definitive statement of the samurai ethos is the remarkable book Hagakure – which I recommend to all – which are the memoirs of a retired samurai-turned-monk Yamamoto Tsunemoto.

    It’s just a feeling, but anyhow, let me just have a glimpse of the times After the Goldrush:

    Well I dreamed I saw the knights in armor coming saying something about
    A queen
    There were peasants singing and drummers drumming and the archer split
    The tree

  7. @Victor

    There is nothing wrong with the way Guillaume Durocher referred to ancient India’s Bhagavad-Gita – yes it is short, and part of a larger work, but it is an epic all by itself

    Deservedly one of the great spiritual texts of all time … telling that there are many ways to the divine, not ‘one way’ as claimed by judaicised abrahamics … and that it is an illusion, if you think you can truly ‘kill’, or ‘be killed’ … no one really ever dies … so there is no need to hold back from the courage to do what is right and best

    Here in 10 minutes, a short video version of the Bhagavad-Gita … The setting is that a great warrior has doubts about life just before a battle … his chariot driver turns out to be one of god’s incarnations, who then magnificently stops and freezes time itself, so as to explain to the warrior and to all of us, what life is all about … ‘Krishna’s Counsel in Time of War’

  8. Another ringer from Guillaume!

    The people of present-day Germany are no longer satisfied with the religion they have had up to now. However, a new religion that can fully satisfy the German people has yet to be born. Therefore, until a new national religion appears, they have, albeit reluctantly, to depend on the religion they’ve had up to now. The Hitler Youth take the same position.

    Funny: so do I.

    Friedrich Nietzsche’s critique of Christianity as a Jewish-inspired slave religion – emphasizing meekness, humility, the righteousness of the wretched, and otherwordly salvation – had widespread currency in the Third Reich.

    While it’s certainly true that Nietzsche accused Christianity of pushing a slave-morality, he didn’t blame this fact on the Jews, of whom he was–for most of his career–a great admirer. (This latter fact was a huge embarrassment to Nietzsche’s National-Socialist readers, who proposed all sorts of ‘exegetical’ remedies to get these offending, pro-Jewish passages out of his texts.)

  9. @El Dato

    I am interested in truly historical, rather than romanticized and essential, accounts of the samurai. Do you have any suggestions?

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  10. @Digital Samizdat

    What do you mean by “ringer”?

    Re: Nietzsche: My understanding is Nietzsche *does* blame Christianity on the Jews, but this is just more evidence of Jews’ deceitful & amoral superhumanity (a good thing, for him).

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    , @Digital Samizdat
  11. @Lars Porsena

    Weren’t these Indo-Iranians also Indo-European? The Indo-Iranian language group is considered a branch of the Indo-European family, which would mean Indo-Iranians are Indo-European. The corded ware culture and the northern european pastoralists would also probably be considered to be indo-european.

    Indo Iranian is a linguistic branch of Indo European, and therefore Indo Europeans are not Aryan, as their languages and genetic structure pre-date this word. The Aryan cognate formed outside the IE horizon and after the emergence of Indo Iranians. More importantly, there is a genetic distinction between Indo-Europeans and Indo-Iranians, namely the ubiquity of the Eastern Hunter Gatherer Y-DNA haplogroup R1a among early Indo Iranians, which is absent in all early Indo European and Proto-Indo European samples; as well as the dominance of the Caucasus mtDNA haplogroups T and W6.

    If that is true the Ire in Ireland is also derivative of Aryan just like Iran is, and possibly also the Greek ‘heros’ which I can find some references saying prior to Homer would have referred to all free Greek men as warriors.

    The term Aryan however has been politically axed due to it’s association with nazism in favor of “proto-Indo-European”.

    This is utterly false. There has never been a conflation of “Aryan” with Indo Europeans by any scholar. Everyone always understood that “Aryan” was an Indo Iranian cognate and that it must have arose at least a thousand years after the Indo Europeanization of central Europe. As for Corded Ware, they were genetically similar to the Indo Iranians Sintashta and Andronovo; in that they had acquired the Y-DNA haplogroup R1a, and were dissimilar to the earlier Indo Europeans.

    As for Greeks, they took a great deal of cultural influence from Persians and also from fully Indo-Iranian groups like the Scythians, particularly in military affairs, but were not founded by Indo Iranians. Any connection between “Ireland” and “Aryan” is coincidental, or related to the imitation of the later Scythians by Celtic nomads, which is well documented. Even before the emergence of modern linguistics, the Irish were attempting to link themselves to the Scythians via one “Fénnius Farsaid”:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goídel_Glas

    A ton of ethnic groups took on names that are said to be similar to “Aryan” – mostly out of imitation of the Scythians and Scythian-like cultures who bedazzzled the world ca. 800-0 B.C.

    • Replies: @Malla
  12. Choice of the swastika was a good tip-off the Nazis appreciated Japanese Buddhism

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  13. anon[329] • Disclaimer says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    > Christianity of pushing a slave-morality, he didn’t blame this fact on the Jews

    Whut?

    Christianity, sprung from Jewish roots and comprehensible only as a growth on this soil, represents the counter-movement to any morality of breeding, of race, privilege: it is the anti-Aryan religion par excellence. Christianity—the revaluation of all Aryan values, the victory of chandala values, the gospel preached to the poor and base, the general revolt of all the downtrodden, the wretched, the failures, the less favored, against ‘race:’ the undying chandala hatred is disguised as a religion of love.”

    Friedrich Nietzsche
    Twilight of the Idols (Chap. 6)

  14. mh505 says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Re: Nietzsche

    What abject nonsense to consider him a “great admirer” of the Jews. All he did at times was to defend them against more egregious cases of anti-Semitism which were rare.
    You will have to search far and wide amongst the great thinkers of the 19th century – or any other for that matter – to find a great admirer of Jewry

  15. The Wej fears the Samurai.

  16. @Sam Coulton

    Why do you keep doing this? Please stop it.

    Of course, but it is sometimes almost impossible to eradicate wrong old habits (or phrases – sun rises)…

  17. @Diversity Heretic

    From a cultural point of view, you are correct, but it also depended on the source and situation. On the Eastern Front, in particular, many German units stubbornly fought to the death, knowing that to surrender (to the Soviets or partisans) was tantamount to suicide, anyway. When late in the war a request for volunteer pilots to c0nduct “kamakazi”- type missions was issued, they experienced more volunteers than they had planes available for them to use (the program was never put into action). Many of these “suicide” volunteers, however, had also experienced the deaths of hundreds of thousands of German civilians as armadas of bombers reduced the cities to rubble. There are also numerous instances of German pilots ramming Allied bombers in suicide attacks as their fuel and ammunition were exhausted. Interestingly, as the Germans developed more willingness to sacrifice themselves, more Japanese soldiers began exhibiting a willingness to surrender rather than die for the emperor.

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    , @Anon
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  18. 4891 says:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    My understanding from reading a couple books of Nietzsche, was that Nietzsche greatly admired Judaism, and was critical of Christianity for twisting that religion into a religion of slave morality. The God of the Old Testament frequently demands fealty, excellence in warfare, is loyal to a particular people, and visits wrath upon his people regularly for betraying his laws. The God of the New Testament is universalist, focuses more on peace and love, denial of the self, and asceticism. Worse, a sizable portion of Christian adherents were clearly motivated by ressentiment, with many passages from saints and priests fantasizing about the suffering in hell visited upon those who indulged in their passions and had more joyous lives then the priest. Ressentiment to Nietzsche was more or less the root of all evil, as explained in his parable about the Eagle and the Lamb, and he viewed Christianity as being heavily influenced by this emotion, and an unholy desire to overthrow the natural order of things. Nowhere, to my knowledge, does Nietzsche blame this on the Jews. He seems to see Christianity as a illegitimate offshoot. As many have already said here, Nietzsche was quite philo-Semitic, which was inconvenient for a Nazi Germany that was trying to trumpet his ideas. Nietzsche doesn’t blame the Jews for Christianity, he rates Judaism favorably compared to Christianity

    • Replies: @Bookish1
  19. AaronB says:

    Nietzsche’s attitude to Jews was complex –

    1) He had an unwavering admiration for the Jewish ethnic group. He described it as having the toughest will to power of any group in the world, and promoted mixing European blood with Jewish blood to strengthen the European race, and increase its intelligence.

    2) He was opposed to anti-Semitism of any kind. He thought it was stupid and superficial to blame Jews for being successful competitors and simply following their self interest like all groups do, and he thought the time had come to forge a new European man, in which the Jew would be a valuable element.

    So not only was it stupid to blame Jews for successfully following their self interest like Europeans had done, it was counterproductive at this moment in history, when the task was to create a new European man.

    He mainly was exasperated by the superficial “stupidity” of anti-Semitism.

    3) He unreservedly admired the Old Testament, and considered it superior to Greek and Indian literature.

    4) Nevertheless, he considered that Jews acquired some unhealthy traits in the diaspora, but that they were superficial. He thought that it was unnatural and unhealthy for them to continue as a nation once they lost their land, but also a testament to their will to power.

    5) While he made a clear distinction between Judaism and Christianity, he did consider Christianity a sort of unconscious revenge plot on the part of Jews against those who forced them out of their land – perhaps the grandfather of Jewish conspiracy theories, and completely insane.

    Nietzsche was a classic European decadent, and admitted as much. He is a good example of how pessimistic and self hating major European thinkers had become by the late 19th century – his contempt and hatred for Germans is proverbial – and his admiration for Jews can be seen as the early stages of a xenophilia that sees the alt right today worship Asians and Jews as well, and the Left worship blacks and browns.

    He was trapped in the materialist and scientific world view – so he could not understand Jewish self confidence and high performance was more a product of their retention of pre-Enlightenment modes of thinking (spirituality) that Europeans were rapidly losing than it was on “breeding”.

    So an interesting thinker, but an early stage decadent, and not a guide back to health at all.

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  20. anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @ClassicBenz

    Interestingly, as the Germans developed more willingness to sacrifice themselves, more Japanese soldiers began exhibiting a willingness to surrender rather than die for the emperor.

    Not quite sure about that. The Germans were surrending by the hundreds of thousands on the Eastern Front in final months of the war, whereas the total amount of Japanese POWs captured during the entire course of the war (prior to the emperor’s Aug 15 surrender order) is around 35-40k.

    • Agree: tamo
  21. @Guillaume Durocher

    A “ringer” is a direct hit. It’s from the game of horse shoes. Not to worry: it was meant as a compliment!

    Yes, Nietzsche acknowledged that Christianity was derived from Judaism, which is one of the many things he disliked about Christianity: the fact that it was just a rip-off of somebody else’s religion. Judaism, on the other hand, was relatively unique and sui generis. However, though he respected Judaism for this reason, he still disagreed with it philosophically on account of his own dislike of monotheism.

    Some of the other commenters have argued that Nietzsche was, in fact, anti-semitic. This was true of his earlier period, when he was strongly under the influence of Wagner; but not at all true of his later works, when he was all into Lou Salomé.

  22. Bliss says:

    Both native Japanese and German visitors agreed that Zen provided much of the foundation for Japan’s spiritual power and cultural fecundity.

    Did the racist Nazis not know that Zen Buddhism was founded by black Bodhidharma?

    • LOL: tamo
  23. Bliss says:
    @El Dato

    In his taming of the samurai, Nitobe even justifies their most savage attributes – seppuku (also known as harakiri or ritual suicide) and the sword – under the guise of Christian mores. And it all starts with the soul. Nitobe declares that in both Western and Japanese custom, the soul is housed in the stomach. “They (The Bible’s Joseph, David, Isaiah and Jeremiah) all and each endorsed the belief prevalent among the Japanese that in the abdomen was enshrined the soul” (113).

    And the Nazis were dumb enough to believe this nonsense? What does this retarded Japanese belief have to do with Zen?

    How the hell could anyone honestly believe that Buddha condoned violence? Here is what the Buddha actually taught (note the similarity to the teachings of Jesus):

    Hatred will not cease by hatred, but by love alone. This is the ancient law.

    Peace comes from within. Do not seek it without.

    All fear violence, all are afraid of death. Seeing the similarity to oneself, one should not use violence or have it used.

    The true master lives in truth, in goodness and restraint, non-violence, moderation, and purity.

  24. @Bliss

    FWIW, it is unclear whether Bodhidharma came from India or Persia. Either way, he was Caucasoid (as East Asian art is keen to express), although his skin tone and degree of Aryan ancestry are unclear.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  25. @Bliss

    The endorsement of a certain detached violence has existed throughout the Mahayana tradition, including Chan and Zen. Brian Victoria, who says that Gautama Buddha made nonviolence a foundational principle of Buddhism, argues on this basis that for long periods Chan/Zen actually was not “real Buddhism,” but a perversion. A bold proposition.

    It seems that the old Pali sutras – a vast corpus – are not so clear-cut on the question. See Stephen Jenkins: “Making Merit Through Warfare and Torture According to the Ārya-Bodhisattva-gocara-upāyaviṣaya-vikurvaṇa-nirdeśa Sūtra”:

    Here, an armed bodyguard accompanies the Buddha and threatens to destroy those who offend him. Torture can be an expression of compassion. Capital punishment may be encouraged. Body armor and a side arm are among the most important metaphors and symbols of the power of compassion.Celestial bodhisattvas, divinized embodiments of the power of enlightened compassion, support campaigns of conquest to spread the influence of Buddhism, and kings vested with the dharma commit mass violence against Jains and Hindus.

    However, Jenkins notes that Buddhist texts in general do not endorse violence with anything like the frequency that Hindu texts do. In general, I would say that both ancient Greek philosophy/religion and Hinduism are far more biopolitical then Buddhism, although Buddhism and in particular Zen are extremely elevated in terms of achieving pure insight.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  26. @mh505

    On the contrary, Dr. Andrew Joyce concludes reasonably that Nietzsche was an erstwhile anti-Semite who, over the course of the 1870s especially, behaved with increasing philo-Semitism in order to gain influence and stature

    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2018/10/27/reply-to-jordan-peterson-on-the-jewish-question-from-his-heroes-part-four-nietzsche/

  27. neutral says:

    Christianity most definitely was the wrong religion for white people. All the modern day lunatic beliefs such as racial equality, democracy, LGBABCQWEXYZ123 are all directly derived from Christian ideas. The absurdity that blacks are our equals or that jews ruling would not have come about had Christianity not been inflicted on white people.

  28. neutral says:
    @AaronB

    sees the alt right today worship Asians and Jews as well

    Who exactly on the alt right worships jews?

  29. JackOH says:

    Guillaume, thanks, you’re making some extraordinary contributions here.

    I guess I’m one of those chumps who believes if we’re to understand how Western peoples have allowed a profoundly demoralizing politics to infect the body politic, we have to go to the 1914-1945 period and try to reevaluate if possible.

    I’ve heard “spirituality” used by some Germans in the post-WWII period to refer positively to National Socialism versus, say, the consumerism and individualism of the Federal Republic. I take “spirituality” to mean more or less a politics of community, or national solidarity, where considerations of race or nationality are given at least a tip of the hat. The good part of National Socialism unfortunately has been interred with its bones.

    I’ve mentioned the down side of that interment. Governance by corporate money-makers who care little about the people, and are skilled enough to manipulate constituent grievances to serve their interests.

    • Replies: @Jake
  30. Regarding Hitler youth mentioned in the article
    [1], p151:
    “In the Friends Service Committee, Philby’s anticommunist right-wing fascism and Russell’s “left” fascism meet. The Friends Service Committee was the first group to erect actual slave-labor camps. The camps’ slogan—Strength Through Joy—was co-opted by the Nazis and blazoned, along with other slogans such as Work Makes Freedom, on the entrance to Auschwitz. Through their Berlin center, the American Friends Service Committee launched a youth movement project which in the 1920s had already enrolled 300,000 German youth in work-camp labor projects. When the Nazis came to power, they took over the apparatus and called it the Hitler Youth Movement. It continued to be staffed by Quakers throughout World War II”
    Another quote therefrom, on p150

    [MORE]

    “Philby began his intelligence career with Bertrand Russell’s Friends Service Committee rescue operation in Austria, when he left Cambridge in 1933.40 These networks selectively rescued those Germans with connections to British intelligence and numbers of German Jews, who were then coerced into the service of the British intelligence.
    Particularly in peacetime, the British tend to work through private intelligence networks, and to the present day, these relief and pacifist networks remain at the core of the British Secret Intelligence’s terrorist operations. ”
    [1]: The New Dark Ages Conspiracy:Britain’s Plot to Destroy Civilization (1980) by Carol White
    (Book commisioned by Lyndon Larouche in 1978-79)
    ….
    As for the connection of relief organisations and espionage consider the following innocent statement from [2], p28:
    “The British and American Quaker relief organisations placed a high value on reliable information about the situation in the country under Hitler in order to know where help was needed and how it could be delivered. Accordingly, Friends came repeatedly to Germany from England as well as America, providing extraordinarily revealing and, in retrospect, historically useful reports. ”

    [2]: Quiet Helpers – Quaker Service in Postwar Germany by Achim von Borries edited by Peter Daniels based on translations by John & Cathy Cary and Hildegard Wright
    Published jointly by Quaker Home Service and American Friends Service Committee January 2000
    As may be seen from the table of contents below the title only mentioning postwar Germany is misleading
    II Germany 1920-1950
    -Help for the vanquished
    -1933: Quakers – ‘a ray of hope’
    -After 9 November 1938
    -In the Second World War
    …..
    I automatically associate that above-suggested connection (from [1]) to the account about the Belgian relief during WWI, where that organisation also was used for espionage by Britain
    “[Eminent nursing teacher] Edith [Cavell] was active inside an underground and espionage network, which among other work, repatriated soldiers stranded behind enemy lines”
    [3] ch18, p259ff
    Jim Macgregor & Gerry Docherty, Prolonging the agony, how the angloamerican establishment deliberately extended WWI by three and a half years (1917,1918)

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    , @utu
    , @Logan
  31. @neutral

    This is really nonsense, but it is parroted constantly. If it were true that Christianity – or, to be more specific, Catholic Christianity – were a creation of the Jews, then why did the Jews spend so much time, money, and energy subverting the Catholic Church through Freemasonry and direct penetration of the Church with Jewish agents? After all, Freemasonry, that child of the Kabbalah, declared on countless occasions that its most hated enemy, the target of all its works, was the Catholic Church. (And this is without even mentioning the scorn and hatred which the Talmud holds for the historic person of Jesus Christ)

    Get real. There is absolutely no logic to a strict anti-Christian/anti-Catholic position. Dissidents who follow this line are incapable of getting the real picture.

    Anyone who takes the time to study the history of Christendom will immediately discount your dung.

  32. I’ve come across the criticism of Brian Victoria before and he is the worst kind of culturally appropriating American. Dissatisfied with the failing religion of the west he takes up the exotic oriental creed and immediately tries to convert it to the perfected pseudo-Christianity he unconsciously wants.

    His unending (and politicised) moralising is completely alien to Zen, for which the imperative is to do what thou must without hesitation…to even kill the Buddha if necessary, if he blocks you on the road. Echoing the true protestant, the good Mr Victoria is the genius who has found the true Zen, and it’s he who will point out the errors in Mahayana going back centuries because he knows what the true faith is.

    The shame is on the institution which accredited him as a priest, because the thing a school like Zen does need is standards.

    • Agree: utu
  33. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    This is really nonsense, but it is parroted constantly. If it were true that Christianity – or, to be more specific, Catholic Christianity – were a creation of the Jews, then why did the Jews spend so much time, money, and energy subverting the Catholic Church through Freemasonry and direct penetration of the Church with Jewish agents?

    You can argue about exactly when it happened, but it certainly does seem as though contemporary Western Christianity (Catholicism included) is either largely or thoroughly Jew-controlled, and that it’s now being used to push an anti-White agenda.

  34. Bliss says:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    it is unclear whether Bodhidharma came from India or Persia. Either way, he was Caucasoid (as East Asian art is keen to express), although his skin tone and degree of Aryan ancestry are unclear.

    Lol. It’s pathetic how you guys are so hell bent on whitewashing history. For your information Buddhism is an Indian religion. The Persian religion, before the Arabs conquered and converted them, was Zoroastrianism.

    The Zen/Chan scriptures describe Bodhidharma as a black skinned monk from South India.

    http://www.drbachinese.org/vbs/publish/2/vbs2p002.htm

    “He is that black-faced Bhiksu who’s teeth you just knocked out.”

  35. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    The Zen/Chan scriptures describe Bodhidharma as a black skinned monk from South India.

    Caucasoid.

  36. Malla says:
    @Sam Coulton

    A ton of ethnic groups took on names that are said to be similar to “Aryan” – mostly out of imitation of the Scythians and Scythian-like cultures who bedazzzled the world ca. 800-0 B.C.

    That is all nice and good but the Scythians were very European looking.

  37. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    For your information Buddhism is an Indian religion.

    Buddha is called Sakyamuni, Sakya or Sacas from the Scythians amd Muni means sage/hermit.

    Scythians were blond/red haired blue eyed White people
    FROM

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians

    “In artworks, the Scythians are portrayed exhibiting European traits.[128] In Histories, the 5th-century Greek historian Herodotus describes the Budini of Scythia as red-haired and grey-eyed.[128] In the 5th century BC, Greek physician Hippocrates argued that the Scythians have purron (ruddy) skin.[128][129] In the 3rd century BC, the Greek poet Callimachus described the Arismapes (Arimaspi) of Scythia as fair-haired.[128][130] The 2nd century BC Han Chinese envoy Zhang Qian described the Sai (Scythians) as having yellow (probably meaning hazel or green), and blue eyes.[128] In Natural History, the 1st century AD Roman author Pliny the Elder characterizes the Seres, sometimes identified as Iranians (Scythians) or Tocharians, as red-haired and blue-eyed.[128][131] In the late 2nd century AD, the Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria says that the Scythians are fair-haired.[128][132] The 2nd century Greek philosopher Polemon includes the Scythians among the northern peoples characterized by red hair and blue-grey eyes.[128] In the late 2nd or early 3rd century AD, the Greek physician Galen declares that Sarmatians, Scythians and other northern peoples have reddish hair.[128][133] The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans, a people closely related to the Scythians, were tall, blond and light-eyed.[134] The 4th century bishop of Nyssa Gregory of Nyssa wrote that the Scythians were fair skinned and blond haired.[135] The 5th-century physician Adamantius, who often follow Polemon, describes the Scythians are fair-haired.”

    and some of them ruled India and settled in India as royal Kshatriyas

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Scythians

    Physical characteristics of the Buddha

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_characteristics_of_the_Buddha

    Characteristics 29: Deep Blue Eyes

    You will get more details about it here

    http://thaimangoes.blogspot.in/2009/08/h9.html

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Bliss
  38. Bliss says:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    It seems that the old Pali sutras – a vast corpus – are not so clear-cut on the question. See Stephen Jenkins: “Making Merit Through Warfare and Torture According to the Ārya-Bodhisattva-gocara-upāyaviṣaya-vikurvaṇa-nirdeśa Sūtra”:

    That looks very fishy. Never heard of such a sutra. Buddha taught non-violence. Everyone knows that. That’s why even the Kung Fu that Bodhidharma, the black skinned founder of Zen Buddhism, taught his disciples in China was of a defensive non-violent nature. What the Japanese did, in imitation of the British and other western empires, invading China and killing millions of Chinese was the very anti-thesis of Buddha’s teachings.

    Yes, Hinduism, unlike Buddhism, is not exclusively about Nirvana/Moksha. And, surprisingly, at least to me, Hinduism has deep roots in Japanese culture. The following video estimates that some 80% of the deities in Shintoism are of Hindu origin:

    • Replies: @Logan
    , @ia
  39. Bliss says:
    @Malla

    Buddha is called Sakyamuni, Sakya or Sacas from the Scythians amd Muni means sage/hermit.

    Scythians were blond/red haired blue eyed White people

    Lol at this slavish Indian.

    Unfortunately for your servile delusions, Buddha is described as having tightly curled black hair.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  40. Bliss says:
    @Malla

    Buddha is called Sakyamuni, Sakya or Sacas from the Scythians …….Scythians were blond/red haired blue eyed White people…..and some of them ruled India and settled in India as royal Kshatriyas

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Scythians

    Typical idiocy from the black skinned “caucasoid” Indo-Nazi. From the link:

    Indo-Scythians were a group of nomadic Iranian peoples of Saka and Scythian origin who migrated southward into western and northern South Asia (Sogdiana, Bactria, Arachosia, Gandhara, Sindh, Kashmir, Punjab, Haryana, Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, Gujarat and Maharashtra) from the middle of the 2nd century BC to the 4th century AD…….The first Saka king in South Asia was Maues/Moga (1st century BC) who established Saka power in Gandhara, and Indus Valley.

    You are truly retarded for claiming Buddha was a Scythian even though he lived many centuries before the Scythians even arrived in India. Besides, the Scythians did not even reach the part of India where Buddha lived. And on top of that the Sakas were an Iranian people, not blue eyed blonds, whose descendants constitute the low caste peasant Jats of northwest India.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Sam Coulton
  41. @Bliss

    So he was more than a monk… he was a Kang.

    • Replies: @Malla
  42. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    You are truly retarded for claiming Buddha was a Scythian even though he lived many centuries before the Scythians even arrived in India. Besides, the Scythians did not even reach the part of India where Buddha lived.

    Read the page I have linked you stupid punk. Scythinas have beee migrating for centuries prior. Scythians are called Sacas in Sanskrit and Buddha is Sakyamuni or the hermits of the Sacas or Scythians.

    And on top of that the Sakas were an Iranian people, not blue eyed blonds, whose descendants constitute the low caste peasant Jats of northwest India.

    Learn to read you stupid punk. Each and every description of the Scythians describe them as light eyed and light haired.

    “In artworks, the Scythians are portrayed exhibiting European traits.[128] In Histories, the 5th-century Greek historian Herodotus describes the Budini of Scythia as red-haired and grey-eyed.[128] In the 5th century BC, Greek physician Hippocrates argued that the Scythians have purron (ruddy) skin.[128][129] In the 3rd century BC, the Greek poet Callimachus described the Arismapes (Arimaspi) of Scythia as fair-haired.[128][130] The 2nd century BC Han Chinese envoy Zhang Qian described the Sai (Scythians) as having yellow (probably meaning hazel or green), and blue eyes.[128] In Natural History, the 1st century AD Roman author Pliny the Elder characterizes the Seres, sometimes identified as Iranians (Scythians) or Tocharians, as red-haired and blue-eyed.[128][131] In the late 2nd century AD, the Christian theologian Clement of Alexandria says that the Scythians are fair-haired.[128][132] The 2nd century Greek philosopher Polemon includes the Scythians among the northern peoples characterized by red hair and blue-grey eyes.[128] In the late 2nd or early 3rd century AD, the Greek physician Galen declares that Sarmatians, Scythians and other northern peoples have reddish hair.[128][133] The fourth-century Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus wrote that the Alans, a people closely related to the Scythians, were tall, blond and light-eyed.[134] The 4th century bishop of Nyssa Gregory of Nyssa wrote that the Scythians were fair skinned and blond haired.[135] The 5th-century physician Adamantius, who often follow Polemon, describes the Scythians are fair-haired.”

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
    , @Anon
  43. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    tightly curled black hair.

    Yes he had black hair but blue eyes.

  44. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    whose descendants constitute the low caste peasant Jats of northwest India.

    Jats are not the only descendants of Scythians, the upper caste Rajputs are of Scythian ancestry too.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  45. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    Lol at this slavish Indian.

    Slavish???

    Buddha is described as having tightly curled black hair.

    The Buddha is also shown having blue eyes in many places.

  46. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    https://thaimangoes.blogspot.com/2009/08/h9.html

    “Another piece of circumstantial evidence is found in the Digha Nikaya [DN 1.90-95] which tells a story of Buddha’s people, the Sakyas/Scythians, as being ‘foreign.’ ”

    …snip…

    “1. Buddha was of the kshatriya (warrior) caste; foreign invaders were always co-opted into this caste by the Brahmins;

    2. Buddha rejected the caste system;

    3. Buddhism introduced animal motifs to India derived from the steppe peoples: the stag or deer, symbol of Buddha’s first sermon in the deer park; the horse–Buddha rode out of his father’s palace as a renunciate on his horse Kanthaka, which was immediately taken to heaven to be reborn among the gods; the Scythian eagle and lion griffins used as motifs at Barhut and Sanchi stupas, etc;
    Relief panel with the Buddha’s first sermon, showing the wheel and deer symbols.Pakistan, ancient region of Gandhara, circa 2nd century CE.

    4. The cremation of bodies and the erection of burial mounds, or stupas (topes), previously unknown in India.

    5. The Buddhist ideal of the chakravartin, or wheel-turning, world-conquering monarch, to which kings aspired, a concept borrowed from the steppe peoples who must have been quite familiar with wheels and wagons;

    6. One of the 32 marks of the mahapurusha, or great man (Buddha was one), was that he had blue eyes. This would indicate that Buddha was an Iranian/Caucasian.”

    …snip….

    “[Samuel] Beal [translator of Buddhist Records of the Western World from ancient Chinese], however, advances the opinion that [Buddha] was of Scythian descent. A branch or clan of this race, he thinks, may have penetrated Northern India, as another did Assyria about this time, and Buddha was born of this blood, a descendant of Chakravarttins or Wheel Kings, i.e., universal monarchs. Sakya’s directions as to the funeral obsequies to be observed after his death, the cremation of the body, and the subsequent erection of mounds, or topes, in such numbers over India,–all, he deems, indicate a foreign parentage for this saint… But this of the directions is very probably a subsequent invention; it certainly comports little with his known character, and especially with the light esteem, almost the contempt, in which he is represented to have held the body. The weight of the evidence seems altogether in favor of the view that he was of the Aryan race and family of the Sakyas.”

    …snip…

    “From The Indian empire: its people, history, and products By William Wilson Hunter (published 19th century).

    There are indications that a branch of the Scythian hordes, who overran Asia about 625 B.C., made its way to Patala on the Indus, the site selected by Alexander in 325 B.C. as his place of arms in that delta, and long the capital of Sindh under the name of Haidarabad. One portion of these Patala Scythians seems to have moved westwards by the Persian Gulf to Assyria; another section is supposed to have found its way northeast into the Gangetic valley, and branched off into the Sakyas of Kapilavastu, among whom the Buddha was born.

    During the two hundred years before the Christian era, the Scythic movements come a little more clearly into sight, and in the first century after Christ those movements culminate in a great Indian sovereignty. About 126 B.C., the Tartar tribe of Su are said to have conquered the Greek dynasty of Bactria, and the Graeco-Bactrian settlements in the Punjab were overthrown by the Tue-Chi, [Yuezhi].”

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  47. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Further

    “Certain scholars believe that even before the time of the Buddha, there are relics of Scythic origin in the religion of India. It has been suggested that the Asvamedha, or Great Horse Sacrifice, in some of its developments at any rate, was based upon Scythic ideas. ‘It was in effect,’ writes Mr. Edward Thomas, ‘a martial challenge, which consisted in letting the victim who was to crown the imperial triumph at the year’s end, go free to wander at will over the face of the earth; its sponsor being bound to follow its hoofs, and to conquer or conciliate’ the chiefs through whose territories it passed. Such a prototype seems to him to shadow forth the life of the Central Asian communities of the horseman class, ‘among whom a captured steed had so frequently to be traced from camp to camp, and surrendered or fought for at last.’ The curious connection between the Horse Sacrifice and the Man Sacrifice of the pre-Buddhistic religion of India has often been noticed. That connection has been explained from the Indian point of view, by the substitution theory of a horse for a human victim.”
    …snip…
    “The Saka retained some of their animal art but the Yueh-chieh abandoned theirs. The region from the Black Sea to Mongolia, including Central Asia, from before the 8th century BCE was occupied by nomadic steppe tribes many culturally and probably ethnically related to the East Iranians (i.e. they were Indo-Aryans). Many belonged to the Saka group. Those occupying the region north of the Black Sea were named Scythians by the 8th century BCE Greeks, those west of the Altai mountains were called Saka by the pre-6th century BCE Persians and those east of the mountains, for convenience today, are called Saka-Siberian. On the northwest borders of China and in the Tarim basin region before the 2nd century BCE were the Yueh-chieh, also probably an Indo-Aryan people related to the Sakas. They were driven along with the Sakas by the Hsiung-Nu, a Turki people. The Indo-Aryans of about 2000 BCE and the Saka group are the most important of the steppe nomads to this work.

    Firstly, this is because the Indo-Aryan peoples of 2000 BCE brought to India in the Vedic religion basic concepts held by the steppe nomads which, together with Indian animism, led to Hinduism and Buddhism. Secondly, it is because tribes of, or related to the Saka group repeatedly invaded India from 2000 BCE onwards, so spreading their culture from the kingdoms and republics they established in India and thus leading to the flowering of stone architectural animal art in India from about the 2nd century BCE. “

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  48. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Further we read

    “During their migration they drove a part of the Sakas before them and these settled in west India before temporarily extending their sway to the east of India south of the Kushans. The persistence of the word ‘Saka’ in various forms in India and Burma is noteworthy. Sakka is another name of Indra, the Indo-Aryan and Hindu god. Saka is the name of the group of tribes of which the Scythians were one. The Sakas, ‘people of the stag,’ are associated with the animal symbols of the chakravartin, (universal ‘wheel-turning’ sovereign). Gautama Buddha was the Sakyamuni, the sage of the Sakyas.

    …snip….

    “In Hindu-Buddhist cosmogony there are 33 gods who reside on the summit of Mount Meru, among whom Indra (Sakka) is king. In Central Asia the people of the Altai mountains have a belief in 33 heavens. In the 7th century BCE Saka-Siberian burial site of Tuva, just east of the Altai mountains, the chief’s tomb comprises a large central mound surrounded by a stone wall 44 meters away. The annulus so-formed is separated into sections by 32 radial spokes built of stones bearing incised depictions of horses. This is a temple of the sun. The number of 32 appears also as that of the number of bodily marks of the chakravartin. There seems to be good reason to think that the 32 fiefdoms of the chakravartin are derived from the solar cult of the Indo-Aryans and reached Burma through the Sakas.

    The Aryan invasion of Persia and India of about 2000 BCE introduced the Vedic religion. The descendants of the Aryans and the Saka/Scythians (sun and snake worshippers) became allies perhaps before 700 BCE, the Sakas becoming known as ‘the serpent’ or naga race, while the naga itself became one of the most important associates of the Brahmanic, Hindu and Buddhist pantheons. According to the Indian Puranas, Gautama Buddha originated from the solar race of Iskshvahu and at the commencement of his ascetic life, he was protected by the naga king. Tombs of Gautama’s own Sakya tribe, excavated in the 19th century, each contained an effigy of a naga.”

    …snip…

    “In the shaman’s ecstatic techniques throughout central and north Asia, the number seven plays an important role, one which is due ultimately to influences from Babylon. On his costume, a Yurak shaman may have seven balls representing the seven celestial maidens. There are also the common beliefs in seven or nine each of celestial and infernal levels, though rarely, up to 33 occur. In his rites the Altaic shaman climbs a tree or a post notched with seven or nine steps to symbolize his ascent to the most powerful one. The seven steps are similar to the Buddha’s seven steps mentioned below, a concept derived from Buddhism’s parent, Brahmanism. In legend Buddha could walk immediately after his birth. He took seven steps in the direction of each of the cardinal points and claimed possession of the world. Seven days after Guatama Buddha’s birth his mother died. After Buddha’s enlightenment he meditated for three periods each of seven days. After these he was wrapped in seven coils of the serpent king, Mucalinda, and endured continuous rain for seven days. Seven also symbolizes the horse, one of the seven treasures of the chakravartin.”

  49. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    Before Kaniṣka, the Buddha was not represented in human form. In Gandhara, Mahayana Buddhism flourished, and the Buddha was represented in human form for the first time — just as he is described in the ancient sutras, a tall, blue eyed, curly blacked haired, fair to golden skinned royal.

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  50. @Peter Grafström

    In the Friends Service Committee, Philby’s anticommunist right-wing fascism

    Kim Philby was never an anticommunist, rather a dedicated and devoted communist.

    Russell’s “left” fascism

    ??? I never knew that Russel was in some left-wing faction of Mosely’s fascist movement.

    So this author you quoted was redefining old concepts using newer definitions later on. I can see many similarities between communism and fascism, but I doubt that Philby and Russel did, or would have agreed to be so defined.

  51. Malla says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    I think these books by Prof Revilo P. Oliver, Retired Professor of the Classics, University of Illinois, Urbana are a worth read.

    http://www.revilo-oliver.com/rpo/RPO_NewChrist/toc_ol.htm

    The Origins of Christianity

    http://www.revilo-oliver.com/rpo/Reflections.html

    Reflections on the Christ Myth

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  52. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Buddhas Father was Scythian=SAKA Theory and its Evidence ブッダの父親はスキタイト人(=サカ)であった、その証拠と by Hiroshi Hayashi

  53. @The Company

    The swastika, and its short armed cousin the fylfot have been found in Iron Age Northern Europe, in images related to Odin.

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  54. This article blows a hole in the “Master Race” narrative.

    However, risking one’s life for the sake of honor, truth, and the good are central to all traditional ethics grounded in heroism ever since Homer.

    There is little possibility that Himmler was not familiar with Hávamál – Words of the High One (Wotan/Odin/Oðin) which would tie into the Germanic religion.
    75.
    Cattle die and kinsmen die,
    thyself too soon must die,
    but one thing never, I ween, will die, —
    fair fame of one who has earned.

    • Agree: Guillaume Durocher
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  55. Bliss says:
    @Malla

    https://thaimangoes.blogspot.com/2009/08/h9.html

    “Another piece of circumstantial evidence

    Lol. You are such a pathetic, self-loathing wannabe nazi. Very predictably, the blog you are quoting from is full of stereotypical nordicist racial fantasies concocted from “circumstantial evidence” by a people who were considered barbarians until very recently, even by fellow Europeans. The nordics are probably the least spiritual of all the races of mankind. It is laughable to give them the credit for any of Indian spirituality whether Buddhist or Hindu or Jain etc. Nordicism is discredited fake history and fake science which resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of Europeans, and you look like an utterly ridiculous fool for promoting it, especially considering your race and color. Absolutely shameless.

    The sub-title of your white supremacist fake history aka racial fantasy:

    Was Gautama Buddha a Scythian (Saka) who lived in Greater Gandhara in the 4th century BCE, and not in the Nepalese Terai, as is generally believed?

    No you lying numbskull, Buddha lived and preached far from Gandhara (Afghanistan/Pakistan) many centuries before the first Saka king of that region (and he lived in the 5th not the 4th century BCE).

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Scythians

    The first Saka king in South Asia was Maues/Moga (1st century BC) who established Saka power in Gandhara, and Indus Valley.

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  56. Bliss says:
    @Malla

    Tightly curled black hair is true and red or blond hair is false. Get it Mr. non-white nordicist? That kind of hair does not accompany white skin and blue eyes does it?

    Buddha’s eyes were described with the same word used for the skin of Krishna, which was black. Which makes a helluva lot more sense than blue, which is incongruous with his other descriptions and with his Indian race.

    The Krishna idols before British rule of India were invariably painted black. After British rule the Hindus started painting him blue (blue-black being an alternative meaning of the word). Something similar seems to be going on with the eyes of Buddha in recent statues, though his hair remains tightly curled and his facial features remain asian (which is an unnatural combination to say the least).

    Btw, instead of posting Buddha statues from the Gandhara region which was ruled by Indo-Greeks when they were sculpted, why not post pictures of Buddha statues from the part of India where Buddha was actually from? Like these:

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  57. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    Lol. You are such a pathetic, self-loathing wannabe nazi.

    LOL and what are you? You Afrocentrist Indian wannabe. Making Indians a kind of honourary negros so you can claim our achievements as one of your own. Any Indian would vomit at the thought a race (sub saharan african blacks) whose ancestors were primitive tribes living in jungle is of the same level as us when we were building palaces, temple complexes and forts of stone. Without the coming of Arabs and Europeans your ancestors would still be running around semi naked around primitive mud huts. How pathetic!!!

    the blog you are quoting from is full of stereotypical nordicist racial fantasies concocted from “circumstantial evidence”

    There are no fantasies here, just logic and facts. Just because you do not like these facts does not make them fantasies.

    The nordics are probably the least spiritual of all the races of mankind.

    This is one of the dumbest comment I have ever read on Unz.

    Nordicism is discredited fake history and fake science which resulted in the deaths of tens of millions of Europeans,

    There is nothing ‘Nordicist’ here.

    Absolutely shameless.

    LOL what is shameless is that you have to take the support of Indian culture, my culture to bolster you afrocentrist non sense because sub saharan blacks were some of the most primitive savages on this planet less than a century ago. That is shameless and sad. LOL

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    , @jeff stryker
  58. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    No you lying numbskull, Buddha lived and preached far from Gandhara (Afghanistan/Pakistan) many centuries before the first Saka king of that region (and he lived in the 5th not the 4th century BCE).

    Scythians have been coming in to India far before 1st Century BC. Read the blog again.

  59. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    Tightly curled black hair is true and red or blond hair is false

    I never claimed he had blond hair. And curled hair does not mean negro hair.

    That kind of hair does not accompany white skin and blue eyes does it

    Of course it does.

    Buddha’s eyes were described with the same word used for the skin of Krishna, which was black.

    No you little lying punk. You have a habit of making your own ‘facts’ out of your ass.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_characteristics_of_the_Buddha

    “The Buddha is traditionally regarded as having the Thirty-two Characteristics of a Great Man (Skt. mahāpuruṣa lakṣaṇa).[7] These thirty-two characteristics are also regarded as being present in cakravartin kings as well.[7]

    The Digha Nikaya, in the “Discourse of the Marks” (Pali: Lakkhaṇa Sutta) (DN 30) enumerates and explains the 32 characteristics.[2] These are also enumerated in the Brahmāyu Sutta of the Majjhima Nikāya (MN 91).

    Characteristic 29: Eyes deep blue

    Something similar seems to be going on with the eyes of Buddha in recent statues, though his hair remains tightly curled and his facial features remain asian (which is an unnatural combination to say the least).

    You are just blabbering bullshit. This has nothing to do with any British Raj.

    instead of posting Buddha statues from the Gandhara region

    The Earliest depictions of Lord Buddha are from the Gandhara region. The idols you posted are far more likely to be off from the real Buddha than the Gandhara statues.

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  60. Bliss says:
    @Malla

    Jats are not the only descendants of Scythians, the upper caste Rajputs are of Scythian ancestry too.

    Hogwash. You are hopelessly stuck in the colonial racial myth makings of the 19th century.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajput

    recent research suggests that the Rajputs came from a variety of ethnic and geographical backgrounds………Before the 15th century, the term “Rajput” was also associated with people of mixed-caste origin, who were considered inferior in rank to “Kshatriya”……..During its formative stages, the Rajput class was quite assimilative and absorbed people from a wide range of lineages.[16] However, by the late 16th century, it had become genealogically rigid, based on the ideas of blood purity.[21] The membership of the Rajput class was now largely inherited rather than acquired through military achievements.

    Based on looks alone the Rajput Maharajahs (Emperors) look like stereotypical north Indians while many of the low caste Jats do look part west asian albeit darker skinned:

    Rajput Kings:

    [MORE]

    Low caste Jat Scythian peasants:

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  61. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    The nordics are probably the least spiritual of all the races of mankind.

    The stupidity of this numbskull knows no bound. His afrocentrist fantasies leads to shallow superficial childish thinking.

    From the writings of Otto Weininger’s , himself of Jewish ancestry. He is writing about the difference in between Aryans and Jews.

    As there is no real dignity in women, so what is meant by the word “gentleman” does not exist amongst the Jews. The genuine Jew fails in this innate good breeding by which alone individuals honour their own individuality and respect that of others. There is no Jewish nobility, and this is the more surprising as Jewish pedigrees can be traced back for thousands of years.

    The familiar Jewish arrogance has a similar explanation; it springs from want of true knowledge of himself and the consequent overpowering need he feels to enhance his own personality by depreciating that of his fellow-creatures. . . .

    The faults of the Jewish race have often been attributed to the repression of that race by Aryans, and many Christians are still disposed to blame themselves in this respect. But the self- reproach is not justified. Outward circumstances do not mould a race in one direction, unless there is in the race the innate tendency to respond to the moulding forces; the total result comes at least as much from a natural disposition as from the modifying circumstances. . . .

    . . . The Jew is not really anti-moral. But, none the less, he does not represent the highest ethical type. He is rather non- moral, neither good nor bad. . . .

    . . . According to the definition of Schopenhauer, the word “God” indicates a man who made the world. This certainly is a true likeness of the God of the Jew. Of the divine in man, the true Jew knows nothing; for what Christ and Plato, Eckhard and Paul, Goethe and Kant, the priests of the Vedas, and Fechner, and every Aryan have meant by the divine, for what the saying, “I am with you always even to the end of the world” – for the meaning of all these the Jew remains without understanding. For the God in man is the human soul, and the absolute Jew is devoid of a soul.

    [MORE]

    It is inevitable, then, that we should find no trace of belief in immortality in the Old Testament. Those who have no soul can have no craving for immortality, and so it is with the woman and the Jew.

    . . . Jewish monotheism has no relation to a true belief in God; it is not a religion of reason, but a belief of old women founded on fear.

    Why is it that the Jewish slave of Jehovah should become so readily a materialist or a freethinker? It is merely the alternative phase to slavery; arrogance about what is not understood is the other side of the slavish intelligence. When it is fully recognised that Judaism is to be regarded rather as an idea in which other races have a share, than as the absolute property of a particular race, then the Judaic element in modern materialistic science will be better understood. Wagner has given expression to Judaism in music; there remains something to say about Judaism in modern science.

    Judaism in science, in the widest interpretation of it, is the endeavour to remove all transcendentalism. The Aryan feels that the effort to grasp everything, and to refer everything to some system of deductions, really robs things of their true meaning; for him, what cannot be discovered is what gives the world its significance. The Jew has no fear of these hidden and secret elements, for he has no consciousness of their presence. He tries to take a view of the world as flat and commonplace as possible, and to refuse to see all the secret and spiritual meanings of things. His view is non-philosophical rather than anti-philosophical. . . .

    In the case of the Aryans, the metaphysical qualities of the male are part of his sexual attraction for the woman, and so, in a fashion, she puts on an appearance of these. The Jew, on the other hand, has no transcendental quality, and in the shaping and moulding of the wife leaves the natural tendencies of the female nature a more unhampered sphere; and the Jewish woman, accordingly, plays the part required of her, as house-mother or odalisque, as Cybele or Cyprian, in the fullest way.

    It is not, then, mysticism that the Jew is without, as Chamberlain maintains, but reverence. If he were only an honest-minded materialist or a frank evolutionist! He is not a critic, but only critical; he is not a sceptic in the Cartesian sense, not a doubter who sets out from doubt towards truth, but an ironist; as, for instance, to take a conspicuous example, Heine.

    What, then, is the Jew if he is nothing that a man can be? What goes on within him if he is utterly without finality, if there is no ground in him which the plumb line of psychology may reach?

    The psychological contents of the Jewish mind are always double or multiple. There are always before him two or many possibilities, where the Aryan, although he sees as widely, feels himself limited in his choice. I think that the idea of Judaism consists in this want of reality, this absence of any fundamental relation to the thing-in-and-for-itself. He stands, so to speak, outside reality, without ever entering it. He can never make himself one with anything – never enter into real relationships. He is a zealot without zeal; he has no share in the unlimited, the unconditioned. He is without simplicity of faith, and so is always turning to each new interpretation, so seeming more alert than the Aryan. Internal multiplicity is the essence of Judaism, internal simplicity that of the Aryan.

    Our age is not only the most Jewish but the most feminine. It is a time when art is content with daubs and seeks its inspiration in the sports of animals; the time of a superficial anarchy, with no feeling for Justice and the State; a time of communistic ethics, of the most foolish of historical views, the materialistic interpretation of history; a time of capitalism and of Marxism; a time when history, life, and science are no more than political economy and technical instruction: a time when genius is supposed to be a form of madness; a time with no great artists and no great philosophers; a time without originality and yet with the most foolish craving for originality; a time when the cult of the Virgin has been replaced by that of the Demi-vierge. It is the time when pairing has not only been approved but has been enjoined as a duty.

    But from the new Judaism the new Christianity may be pressing forth; mankind waits for the new founder of religion, and, as in the year one, the age presses for a decision. The decision must be made between Judaism and Christianity, between business and culture, between male and female, between the race and the individual, between unworthiness and worth, between the earthly and the higher life, between negation and the God-like. Mankind has the choice to make. There are only two poles, and there is no middle way.”

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  62. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    who were considered barbarians until very recently, even by fellow Europeans. The nordics are probably the least spiritual of all the races of mankind.

    Then how do you explain this?

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/10/17/moslem-designation-of-the-vikings-as-majus-or-heathen-zoroastrians-and-the-maga-fellowship-of-zarathustra/

    Moslems classified the Vikings as Majūs or “heathen Zoroastrians,” since they thought them to be very much like Zoroastrians of pre Islamic Iran/Persia.

    Majūs, plural majūsī, from Greek Mágos μάγος, Latin Magus, is a term that goes back to the Avestan magá, referring to the Zoroastrian shaman warriors.

    In almost all moslem accounts, reference to the Vikings starts with the phrase: “al-Majus (Vikings/Zoroastrians) – May God curse them!” Moslem envoys referred to the Viking chiefs/kings as malik al-majūs, and to the Viking lands as bilād al-majūs.

    Regarding Christianized Vikings, Moslem accounts state: Norse men were Majusi “Zoroastrian heathens,” but they now follow the Christian faith dīn al-naṣranīya, and have given up fire-worship and their previous religion, except for the people of a few scattered islands of theirs in the sea, where they keep to their old Majusi (Zoroastrian) faith.

    Moslem accounts to the Vikings include Al-Ghazal’s (8th – 9th Century, Al-Andalus) entitled “embassy mission to the Vikings,” originated within Al-Muqtabis fi tarikh al-Andalus of Ibn Hayyan (The collected knowledge on the history of Al-Andalus.)

    The most extensive account on the Vikings by Moslems is that written by Ibn Fadlan (10th Century, Baghdad.)

    The notion that the Moslem classification of the Vikings as Majusi “Pagan Zoroastrians,” was simply a case of mistaken identity is highly unlikely. Majus as Zoroastrians appears many times in hadith (words ascribed to Mohammad,) and once in Quran 22.17. In fact, moslem use of the designation Majus in the new context of the Norse people, proves that they were very conscious/aware of the meaning of the term.

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  63. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    More similarities in between Nordic religions, Persians and Ancient Vedic India

    The shining Twin Yima, Vedic Yama and Old Norse Ymir
    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2014/12/10/the-shining-twin-yima-vedic-yama-and-old-norse-ymir/

    “Yima is a primordial twin and a hero king of the Ice Age in the Avesta. The very name Yima means “twin” and is related to Latin Gemini. The twofold nature of Yima is well attested in the Avesta. Yima’s account has parallels in both Vedic Yama and Old Norse Ymir. However, the Avestan Yima has preserved all the elements of the primordial twin being of the Proto-Indo-European cosmological mythology.”
    ………………………………

    Frya or love in the gathas, Old Norse Freya and Frigg
    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2017/03/06/frya-or-love-in-the-gathas-old-norse-freya-and-frigg/

    “In the poetic gathas, fryá is the personification of “love.” Intense feeling of passion/love appears as fryá, fryái and fryö in the sacred poetry of the gathas. Fryán “lovely, free” appears as a personal name in Yasna 46.12, 2nd rhymed verse line of the gathic songs.

    Avestan fryá “lovely, dear and free” is cognate with the reconstructed Proto Germanic friyō “Lovely,” Old Norse frī “beloved,” and Old Norse Frigg, “the wife of Odin/Woden,” and Vedic priyá.

    Modern Persian áfrin “blessing, divine favor” is derived from the same ancient root. The English weekday Friday is named after Norse goddess Frigg, and Old High German Frîja, who was the northern equivalent of Venus. In Rig Veda 1.46.1, the beautiful Dawn goddess is called priyá.

    Freya’s Tears by Gustav Klimt, the most prominent Austrian symbolist painter, has best expressed the immortal beauty and love of Freyja in art.

    In Norse Mythology frigg is the goddess of love. Frigg bore Baldur the personification of light whose death will initiate a series of apocalyptic events leading to Ragnarök or twilight of the Gods.”………….

    The god-force of waters ahúrání and the Norse sea-god ægir
    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2014/10/28/the-god-force-of-waters-ahurani-and-the-norse-sea-god-aegir/

    The Avestan term for water is apö, compare apö with Lithuanian term for river uppe, Vedic ap and Latin aqua.

    In the Zoroastrian calendar the eighth month is dedicated to Waters.The tenth day of every Zoroastrian month is also dedicated to the Waters, and so the tenth day of the eighth month, Ábán Rooz (day of waters) of Ábán Máh (month or moon of waters), is the great feast day of waters called Ābānagān.”

    …snip…

    “In Yasna Haptaŋ-háiti or the Seven Chapters (Yasna 38.3) the Waters are venerated as ahúrání. The name Ahúrání is derived from Ahúrá (god-force, Old Norse æsir) with a feminine suffix –ání. (Compare with, tištryaæiní- “stars near the star Tištrya”)

    So the waters as “Ahúrá (Old Norse æsir) or god force’s female, nurturing aspect (ahúrání) are parallel to Old Norse sea god Ægir and the varuṇānī of Varuṇa in the Rig Veda. (Also compare the Gothic word for waters, rivers “ahua”)”

    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2014/02/10/vohu-mano-passion-spiritmind-and-the-old-norse-vili-and-ve/

    “To create, manifest through the power of an awe-inspiring, wondrous spirit/mind.

    Khratü, Vedic kratú is the power of spirit/mind to manifest itself, the power to create and to do work. It is the “Geisteskraft.” khratü comes from the Proto Indo European base kar-/ker “to have power, bring forth, create.” Greek kratia “have power over, Old English cræft , Dutch kracht, German Kraft, Icelandic kraftur, Old Norse kraptr all come from the same root and mean originally “having power to create, bring forth, manifest. It appears in the form of khrapat in Yasna 40.1.”

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    , @Bliss
  64. Bliss says:
    @Malla

    what is shameless is that you have to take the support of Indian culture

    That’s hilarious. Now it’s your culture? Do you really see a white skinned, blue eyed, blond haired Scythian when you look in the mirror, you deluded imbecile?

    Btw, I could post tons of degrading pictures of naked and starving Indians if I wanted to get in the gutter with you. Do you want me to that?

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  65. Bliss says:
    @Malla

    I never claimed he had blond hair.

    What was this claim of yours about then?

    Buddha is called Sakyamuni, Sakya or Sacas from the Scythians amd Muni means sage/hermit. Scythians were blond/red haired blue eyed White people

    Btw, the Shakya clan to which Buddha belonged was ancient in India. Not related to the Sakas from whom the low caste Jats are descended. Claiming that the Shakyas = Sakas = Scythians = Nordics is as wishful and ignorant as claiming the Irish are Aryans because “Eire” sounds like “Arya”.

    You are a severely deluded and dishonest imbecile with serious mental issues. Who else but a whack job would blame Indians for the Opium Wars?

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  66. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    Hogwash. You are hopelessly stuck in the colonial racial myth makings of the 19th century.

    This is from a Rajput website.

    http://rajputana.htmlplanet.com/scy_raj/scy_raj1.html

    Scythic Origin of the Rajput Race by Mulchand Chauhan

    “About the time when the Roman Empire was collapsing, the northwestern and western parts of India were under the control of Scythic empires. Indeed, many of the tribes active in the disturbances following the fall of Rome appear as rulers in western India. At the peak of its power, the Scythic or Saka kingdoms stretched from the Vindhyas to the Oxus, from Persia to Bihar. They played a significant role for several centuries in Indian history. These mainly Sun-worshipping and Zoroastrian kingdoms eventually collapsed as a result of Brahmanisation, with the once-glorious Saka dynasties being crushed under the Brahmin yoke. Brahmanisation led to the destruction of the Scythic heritage of these peoples, and their nastik (non-Vedic) Sun-worshipping religions were submerged in the sea of Brahmanism.”

    The Scythians intermarried with some dark skinned Bhil women and thus many are dark today.

    From
    https://www.dailyo.in/politics/mallikarjun-kharge-aryans-vedic-age-dravidians-scythians-saka-east-india-company-adivasis-hindu-muslim/story/1/7636.html

    “The advent of Islam into India is only a visible marker, for peoples who migrated earlier and even just before the Islamic conquests were also of similar stock. For instance, that great Rajput clan, the Sisodias are of Scythian origin and historians derive their name from Sassanian. Just as Jat derives from Gatae, Ahir from Avar, Gujar from Khazar, Thakur from Tukharian. The Scythian or Saka tribes were the last pre-Islamic migrants into India. Some entered the plains through the Bolan Pass, and settled in Rajasthan which is why some Rajput, Gujar and Jat clans such as Pawar, Chauhan, Rathi, Sial and others now claim descent from there, whereas others like Mann, Gill, Bajwa, Bhullar, Sandhu and others who came through the Khyber Pass claim descent from Afghanistan.”

    And here are some photos of Rajputs

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlboopZ3SFhOlVQyl8xa_moNCX28XBxPxUZbe3ro3_Zvk68zoWTw

    Do not look that different from Jats.

  67. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    Now it’s your culture?

    I am Indian. It is my culture. You are a foreigner.

    Do you really see a white skinned, blue eyed, blond haired Scythian when you look in the mirror, you deluded imbecile?

    Do you see a low IQ fool when you look in the mirror? Of course you do. Indians are formed by a mixture of many races.

    Btw, I could post tons of degrading pictures of naked and starving Indians

    You really are an idiot are you not. That was not about starving Africans or starving Indians but the difference in between us Indians who have a civilization of our own as against sub Saharan Africans who just a century ago were primitve savages. Hence Afrocentrists like you sneakily try to own our culture and civilisation to forward your sick demented ideology.

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  68. Malla says:
    @Malla

    More similarities in between the Aryan religions

    Avestan Druj “distortion, devastation, lie,” Old Persian Drauga, and Old Norse Draugr
    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2016/08/22/avestan-druj-distortion-devastation-lie-old-persian-drauga-and-old-norse-draugr/

    Drûj represents “distortion, devastation and torment.” It is the adversary of the cosmic order, and the foundation of Mazdean dualism, in the dual confrontation between “cosmic order/truth” ašá/arthá and “distortion, lie” drûj.

    Drûj is attested 18 times in the poetic gathas. It comes once in the form of drûḵš and 18 times as drûj. The adjective term dreg.váv and/or dreg.vant in the gathas, is a derivation and means “follower/partisan of drûj, a deceiver, distorter, trickster!”

    Avestan drûj is a cognate of Vedic druh “devastation, afflicting demon,” Proto Germanic draugaz “distortion, lie,” Icelandic drɑuɣr̩ “ghost, vampire,” Old Norse draugr “shadow, phantom,” German Trug “fraud, deception,” and Persian dorūġ “lie.”

    In Norse mythology, draugr are undead figures that wreak havoc on living beings. Draugr carry the unmistakable stench of decay, have the appearance of a dead body, are swollen, blackened and hideous to look at. The Old Norse account of draugr is very much reminiscent of the Avestan nasü drûj “decay/lie within a necro/nasü or dead matter, corpse,” mentioned so often in the Avestan purity texts!”

    The ancient Zoroastrian Mid-Spring festival, Celtic Beltane and the German Witches’ Night Hexennacht,
    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2018/05/08/the-ancient-zoroastrian-mid-spring-festival-celtic-beltane-and-the-german-witches-night-hexennacht/

    Avestan payan “milk” is a cognate of with Lithuanian pienas, Latvian piêns, Vedic páyas “milk,” Vedic pipyúši “rich in milk” and is derived from reconstructed Proto Indo European *pieh “be fat, prosperous, swollen,” and *pipih usih “rich, overflowing in milk.”

    …snip….

    “Zarem, the second part of maiδyö.zarem comes from Avestan zairi “fresh green, lush or golden” and can be compared with Old Church Slavonic zelenū, Lithuanian geltas, želvas “yellow/golden,” Latvian zęlts “golden,” Russian zelënyj “green.” In post Indo European times, the word for golden/yellow were often the sources for new words for green. This root is recorded from Celtic to Vedic, and is assured in Proto- Indo European. This also argues that the Proto Indo Europeans saw yellow/golden as a primary color.”

    Ayáthrimá, the last autumnal thanksgiving festival and Celtic Samhain
    https://authenticgathazoroastrianism.org/2011/10/17/ayathrima-the-last-autumnal-thanksgiving-festival-and-celtic-samhain/

    Ayáthrimá is a time when the autumn harvest is reaped, cattle are bred, and the preparation for winter begins. This festival has a lot in common with the Celtic festival of Samhain on October 30th. In fact, almost all Zoroastrian and Celtic festivals are apart by about 2 weeks and bear striking resemblance.

  69. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    What was this claim of yours about then?

    Don’t you eyes? Go reread my posts again. Post 47 to be exact.

    Btw, the Shakya clan to which Buddha belonged was ancient in India. Not related to the Sakas from whom the low caste Jats are descended. Claiming that the Shakyas = Sakas = Scythians = Nordics is as wishful and ignorant

    Not true at all. The Sacas or Scythians are mentioned even in the Mahabharata Kurukshetra wars. So Scythian existed in India far before 1st century BC.
    The proof of Buddha being of Scythian descent is far more than the name Saca or Sakya.

  70. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    You are a severely deluded and dishonest imbecile with serious mental issues. Who else but a whack job would blame Indians for the Opium Wars?

    LOL says a black guy who thinks Indians are negroes like him? LOL. Talk about mental issues. Actually any Afrocentrist is a prime grade crack smoker.
    The Indian participation in the Opium War is well documented with even Gandhi writing with shame about the profits made by Indian merchants in the trade.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  71. utu says:
    @Peter Grafström

    Book commisioned by Lyndon Larouche in 1978-79! – Do not waste time on whatever came from Lyndon Larouche circle.

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  72. Bliss says:
    @Malla

    Quit spamming the forum with your nordicist lies and bull crap. Watching an Indian of all people spewing this unmitigated nonsense is always funny. But it gets tiresome very fast.

    One of the reasons the nordics were seen as primitive barbarians by the civilized Europeans (Greeks and Romans) was the sheer barbarity of their religion. It invariably involved human sacrifices. There was nothing deep or profound in it. To the Vikings Valhalla is like a giant frat party with unlimited kegs and coeds, and endless brawling. The Celtic Druids weren’t much better.

    Anyone who sees anything similar to Indian spirituality in the primitive religions of Northern Europe knows little about either.

    On the other hand, the giants of Indian spirituality are almost always black.

    • Troll: Wally
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    , @Malla
  73. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    Michael Witzel notes that in Vedic texts associated with the eastern Ganges plain, none of the various tribes that populate the Pāli texts are found. The Sakya, Malla, Vajji, Licchavi, Naya, Kālāma, Buli, Moriya and Vesali are all missing from the Brāhmana. and Āranyaka texts. By contrast, Pānini knows the Mallas and the Vrjis as tribes of the Panjab and Rajasthan respectively. Some of the Mallas must have remained behind, as Alexander’s ambassadors met people called “Malloi” (Witzel 1997: 310). Witzel reasons that these tribes must have arrived in India and migrated eastwards in the space between the composition of the late Vedic texts and the lifetime of the Buddha, i.e. between about 1000 and 500 BCE (Witzel 1997: 312).
    The fact that the Śākyas are not mentioned until the Buddhist period may be explained in other ways. They may have been indigenous to the areathough this raises the question of where they got an Indic-language name, since the indigenous people most likely spoke an Austro-Asiatic language. They may have been an early wave of the Indic-speaking peoples. However, these explanations don’t explain how the Śākyas came into contact with ideas such as dividing the person into body, speech and mind for moral purposes, which is so very like the Zoroastrian idea.
    Witzel’s time frame for the migration of non-Vedic tribes eastwards is still very broad, but we can narrow it down. Asko Parpola (2002) has independently put forward a very similar hypothesis. Parpola is concerned with the Pāndavas,. and by combining archaeological and textual evidence he comes to the conclusion that a group of Iranians, generically called Pāndu or ‘pale’, entered India around 800BCE via the Indus Valley. Some of the Pāndus went north to become the Pāndavas of the Mahābhārata, but the main part of Parpola’s argument has the Pāndus continuing to migrate southwards down the west coast and eventually .becoming the ĕrst Indo-European speakers in Sri Lanka (Parpola 2002: 362–4). A possible weakness of this argument is that Sinhalese is usually considered an Indic rather than an Iranian language. However, Parpola suggests that the Pān. davas “quickly adopted the earlier local culture and language”, and we assume the protoSinhalese Pāndu did the same. Here we might compare the Pāndavas with the .
    10th century Norse migrants to Normandy, who rapidly adopted French language and customs. Furthermore, the Pāndavas’ newly-won positions were “legitimised with fabricated genealogies that made them a branch of the earlier ruling family” (Parpola 2002:370).
    Making something of an intuitive leap, Parpola adds: “Another successful group was the family to which the Buddha belonged: the Śākyas, too were Pāndus, ultimately of Śaka origin, as their name reveals” (Parpola 2002: 370). Parpola’s date of ca. 800 BCE for the beginning of this migration is well within Witzel’s time frame.
    As it happens, climate scientists have proposed that an abrupt climate shift “towards increased humidity caused by a decline of solar activity” allowed for a dramatic expansion of Scythian culture around 850 BCE (van Geel et al. 2004a, 2004b; also Chambers et al. 2007). The shift probably happened rapidly, within perhaps a decade, and also led to “a dryness crisis” caused by weak monsoon intensity in north-west India after 850 BCE (van Geel et al. 2004b). Van Geel et al.
    also note that “aridity forced people to shift from sedentism to sheep/goat pastoralism” (van Geel et al. 2004b: 276), while Gupta et al. suggest that changes in crops grown would also result from climate change and may explain the use of millet, lentils, chick peas etc. (Gupta et al. 2006: 1086). At the same time, Megalithic people were moving from South India into the Deccan with iron and
    horses, and “they were probably responsible for the end of the Chalcolithic culture in this region” (van Geel et al. 2004b: 276). Asko Parpola, however, sees the megaliths of South India as a product of the Pāndus moving south (Parpola 2002: 362).
    Another possible vein of evidence is suggested by Thomas Hopkins’s claim (in Samuel 2008) that the Central Ganges culture had similarities to the Malwa culture. The Malwa were one of several Chalcolithic societies which flourished in the Northern Deccan, Maharashtra and Gujarat during the second millennium BCE. A feature of these cultures is that they, like the Indus Civilisation, ceased relatively abruptly. “A drastic change in the climate occurred around 1000 B.C.,
    when increasing aridity set in. This probably led to desertion of the vast majority of Chalcolithic settlements” (Dhavalikar 1984: 155). The final desertion occurred around 700 BCE. It may be that the more recent and precise date of 850 BCE applies here as well, and that the collapse of Chalcolithic cultures in the Deccan mirrors the conditions faced by the Mallas, Vrji and Śākyas.
    The 9th century BCE change in climate also corresponds roughly with the change from bronze to iron. It also corresponds to the compilation of the Rgveda into a collection (Deshpande 1979: 240). Climate change data which can be accurate to within decades may be an increasingly useful tool in establishing the chronology of ancient Indian cultural changes. The date of 850 BCE for this abrupt
    change fits the date proposed by Parpola, and this in turn lends support to Witzel’s conjecture. Whether or not the Śakas were really Pāndus, as Parpola suggests, we could at least imagine that a sharp reduction in monsoon intensity, combined with pressure from outside India in the form of vigorous and expanding tribes of steppe nomads, may have caused the migrations of the Mallas and Vrjis that are reasonably well attested.

  74. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    Quit spamming the forum with your nordicist lies and bull crap.

    Stop blabbering you non sense. I have shown enuf similarities in between Persian, Northern European and Vedic religions. The similarities are profound.

    On the other hand, the giants of Indian spirituality are almost always black.

    Yes, they came from the muddland mud hut they were born in, flying to India in flying wakanda pyramids. It is written in the BSpurana. LOL

  75. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    Quit spamming the forum with your nordicist lies and bull crap

    Listen you stupid punk. That is from an authentic Zoroastrian website run by an Iranian, nothing Nordicist there, go check it out. You see Nordicist or colonial in everything you disagree with.

  76. Bliss says:
    @Malla

    says a black guy who thinks Indians are negroes

    Indians are mostly black. The Romans saw the color of south and north Indians as similar to Ethiopians and Egyptians respectively. Though the hair of the Indians was different being wavy instead of curly.

    The Indian participation in the Opium War is well documented

    Indians were British slaves and sepoys then. According to you the British Empire went to war with China for the benefit of Indian opium merchants. You are insane.

    • Replies: @Malla
  77. Bliss says:
    @Malla

    That was not about starving Africans or starving Indians

    Actually Indians suffer from endemic hunger and malnutrition far more than any other part of the world. Africa is far less crowded and looks a hell of a lot better than India as well. Compare YouTube drives through African cities and Indian cities and be ashamed.

    There are probably more primitive hunter gatherers in India than in Africa. And African civilization is more ancient than the Indian. And far more impressive. Indians were never able to build anything like this:

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  78. Bliss says:

    [Too much off-topic crackpot nonsense. Provide topical, substantive comments if you want any of them published.]

  79. hunor says:
    @Bliss

    yes it is true he was from wakunda .

  80. It would have been much more preferable if the Anglos allied with us. But since Anglos are a bunch of venal, avaricious, individualistic jew-loving back-stabbers with defective communal instincts, Germans had to ally with Orientals, of all people!

    England was a central node in this fateful treachery. They are the ones who facilitated an invasion of Europe from the back. They slaughtered our women, children, and elderly from the air as our men died facing the Bolshevik hordes. They aided and abetted the genocidal Soviet state while we were on the brink of wiping them out. They are the ones who chose sickly jewish seduction over healthy Aryan identity.

    It’s neither a shock nor a shame for me to see England mongrelized by Pakistanis. There’s no where to run. They deserve it. We Germans can always move East and figure something out with our Slavic brothers. We actually have more in common with these people than bourgeoisie (((Anglos))).

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  81. Wally says:
    @Curmudgeon

    For more on the fake claims that Germans designated themselves as the “master race” see: “Master Race” / Herrenrasse / Herrenvolk – a deliberate mistranslation: https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?t=12400

    also recommended:
    Use of word “Master Race” at First Nuremberg Trial: http://www.cwporter.com/mran.htm

    Master Race” Not A Term Used By The National Socialists: The Story of How A Single Rare Word — “Herrenvolk” — was Mistranslated As “Master Race”: http://www.cwporter.com/rauschningnote.htm

    Wartime “Master Race” Photo Deceit, By Klaus Sojka: https://codoh.com/library/document/2832/

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  82. In 1945, Allied soldiers tramped over every square inch of German territory. Germany surrendered unconditionally and the Third Reich was dissolved. But in Japan there were many thousands of soldiers and airmen willing to turn themselves into human bombs if Allied soldiers set foot in their country.

    There was a difference in spirit between the Japanese and the Germans.

  83. Malla says:
    @Bliss

    Indians are mostly black. The Romans saw the color of south and north Indians as similar to Ethiopians and Egyptians respectively. Though the hair of the Indians was different being wavy instead of curly.

    Indians are predominantly brown but many black skinned people exist, more so as a percentage in South India/Sri Lanka. But this does not mean Indians are related to Negroids of sub Saharan Africa. Indian Subcontinentals are basically formed by the mixture of primitive black Australoid hunter gatherers, Iranian farmers (mostly a form of Caucasians), Aryan Steppe chariot/horse riding pastoralists (definitely Caucasians) and also East Asian Mongoloids (some came from North East Asia across Tibet and some were Cambodian Rice Farmers). Indeed Indian subcontinentals are a mixed race like the average Brazilian or Mexican. Thus Indians are mostly brown.
    South Indians are more ASI (Ancestral South Indians) but they also have ANI (Ancestral North Indian) in them, it is just that proportion of ASI is higher in South India. The ASI themselves were not pure black but were formed by the mixture of Caucasian Iranian wheat farmers and black Australoid hunter gatherers.

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    Indians were British slaves and sepoys then.

    Colonialism did not mean every Indian was a slave. There was a lot of freedom during the British Raj, especially after the end of East India Company. Indian traders were free to trade as they pleased and many Indian traders were super wealthy. There was more freedom for the average Indian in 1920s British India than what the average Russian had in the 1920s Jewish dominated Soviet Russia.

    According to you the British Empire went to war with China for the benefit of Indian opium merchants.

    The big kingpins in the opium trade were the Baghdadi Sephardic Jewish Sassoon family. The Indian merchants were their Ramora fishes. The Sassoon are still one of the richest families in the World and have intermarried with the super rich Ashkenazi Rothschilds in the past.

    The Opium was exported from British India to China not from Britain. The opium was grown by Indian farmers.

    https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/magazines/panache/the-heroic-tale-of-great-entrepreneurs-is-nonsense-amitav-ghosh/articleshow/55611360.cms?from=mdr

    “What role did India Inc play in the opium trade/war?
    They [Indian companies] played a pioneering part. In large parts, the opium war was financed by Indian money — by old Bombay money. Many of the big Indian families made their money in opium. This is equally true about America. Many American companies and families have made their money in opium — President Franklin Roosevelt’s family, the Calvin Coolidge family, Forbes family from where you get the current secretary of state, John Kerry, even institutions like Yale and Brown. Singapore and Hong Kong wouldn’t exist today without opium. Essentially opium was the most important commodity of the 19th century.”

    ..snip…

    “The opium war was a very modern war. It was sold to the British government by merchants. They collected money and sent William Jardine to London to bribe politicians into starting this war. It’s a collusion between the State and the private sector, which benefited not only from the policies of the opium trade, but also from the whole war being sub-contracted to them, in terms of provisions, supply ships etc. It was the template of the Iraq war. ”

    And the people who worked and campaigned hard to stop the Opium trade and were finally responsible to bringing it to an end were mostly British & American Protestant Missionaries. All evul YT, no brown Indian cared anything about stopping this immoral trade.

    Permanent Committee for the Promotion of Anti-Opium Society was created in an attempt to bring and end to the opium menance in China and the move public opinion against the opium trade. The members of the committee were John Glasgow Kerr, MD, American Presbyterian Mission in Canton; B.C. Atterbury, MD, American Presbyterian Mission in Peking; Archdeacon Arthur E. Moule, Church Missionary Society in Shanghai; Henry Whitney, MD, American Board of Commissioners for foreign Missions in Foochow; the Rev. Samuel Clarke, China Inland Mission in Kweiyang; the Rev. Arthur Gostick Shorrock, English Baptist Mission in Taiyuan; and the Rev. Griffith John, London Mission Society in Hankow. These missionaries were generally outraged over the British government’s Royal Commission on Opium visiting India but not China. Accordingly, the missionaries first organized the Anti-Opium League in China among their colleagues in every mission station in China. American missionary Hampden Coit DuBose acted as first president. This organization, which had elected national officers and held an annual national meeting, was instrumental in gathering data from every Western-trained medical doctor in China, which was then published as William Hector Park compiled Opinions of Over 100 Physicians on the Use of Opium in China (Shanghai: American Presbyterian Mission Press, 1899). The vast majority of these medical doctors were missionaries; the survey also included doctors who were in private practices, particularly in Shanghai and Hong Kong, as well as Chinese who had been trained in medical schools in Western countries. In England, the home director of the China Inland Mission, Benjamin Broomhall, was an active opponent of the opium trade, writing two books to promote the banning of opium smoking: The Truth about Opium Smoking and The Chinese Opium Smoker. In 1888, Broomhall formed and became secretary of the Christian Union for the Severance of the British Empire with the Opium Traffic and editor of its periodical, National Righteousness. He lobbied the British Parliament to stop the opium trade. He and James Laidlaw Maxwell appealed to the London Missionary Conference of 1888 and the Edinburgh Missionary Conference of 1910 to condemn the continuation of the trade.When Broomhall was dying, his son Marshall read to him from The Times the welcome news that an agreement had been signed ensuring the end of the opium trade within two years.

  84. onebornfree says: • Website

    G. Durocher : “Rudolf Hess, Hitler’s amiable deputy-führer, argued that melding into the community came easier for the Japanese: “We, too, [like the Japanese] are battling to destroy individualism. We are struggling for a new Germany based on the new idea of totalitarianism. In Japan this way of thinking comes naturally to the people.”

    In other words, dangerous German idiots wanting to follow in the footsteps of dangerous Japanese idiots.

    And so it goes… 🙁

    Regards, onebornfree

  85. @Bliss

    Actually Indians suffer from endemic hunger and malnutrition far more than any other part of the world. Africa is far less crowded and looks a hell of a lot better than India as well. Compare YouTube drives through African cities and Indian cities and be ashamed.

  86. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @ClassicBenz

    Durocher ,what an article , two genocidal nations ( and proud of it ) , Japan and Germany , and spirituality , what an oximoron , ( do you mean satanism as spirituality ? ) .

    Japan and Germany killed dozens of millions of people each one , they wanted to steal their lands , attacked them , what a satanic orgy of greed and blood !

    Your satanic revolutionary France , Durocher , also attacked and invaded all Europe with Napoleon , from Cadix to Moscow , to kill many millions and steal everything , another satanic orgy of greed and blood . France still occupies economically Africa , exploiting her with the CFA franc .

    The english have also a good proven record of genocides and piracy .

    The anglogermanoid protestant revolution , 500 years ago , opened the pandora box in Europe , killed spirituality , decristianized the north of Europe first , and after expanded the pest to all Europe and to the whole world , dethroned God and enthroned money and blood , what spirituality ? , now the wolrd lives in fear , without God . Now we live not with a sword of Damocles over our heads but with an atomic missil over our heads . Pay your conficatory taxes to mammon and obbey , or else , atomic missiles will rain on your heads .

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    , @Malla
  87. Logan says:
    @Bliss

    What the Japanese did, in imitation of the British and other western empires, invading China and killing millions of Chinese was the very anti-thesis of Buddha’s teachings.

    The Japanese needed no instruction on violent invasion of other lands for purposes of conquest.

    After all, they launched a massive invasion of Korea from 1592 to 1598, long before any Western powers had much effect at all on China.

    This invasion of Korea was intended to be merely a precursor to the conquest of China.

    Upwards of 300,000 people died in the process, most of them, as usual, Korean civilians, out of a population of <10M.

  88. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    God id dead

    Nietsche

    Nietzsche is dead

    God

  89. Logan says:
    @Malla

    According to the definition of Schopenhauer, the word “God” indicates a man who made the world.

    No doubt he did. What you fail to provide is any reason we should accept this definition.

    • Replies: @Malla
  90. Logan says:
    @Peter Grafström

    Prolonging the agony, how the angloamerican establishment deliberately extended WWI by three and a half years

    So WWI was “supposed” to end in May 1915? Why?

    Fairly obviously, had the British Empire not entered the War the German Empire would have won, but that was pretty open and obvious.

    I guess you could say the “angloamerican establishment” also extended the war because had America entered the war in 1914 the Allies would have won well before 1918.

    • Replies: @Peter Grafström
  91. Alfred says:
    @Sam Coulton

    I was always intrigued by the similarity between Farsi/Persian and some European languages. There are some words that are surprisingly similar to ancient English words:

    * daughter – dokhtar
    * cow – gav
    * mother – madar
    * brother – bradar

    Strangely enough, these very basic words are not to be found in the Jewpedia. I guess they ascribe them to a Germanic ancestry:

    List of English words of Persian origin

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_of_Persian_origin

  92. @utu

    The Larouche circle has a political side as well as one of historical research of great value since the official historians are not telling the truth. The contrast is telling but not in the way you seem to believe. I disagree about their sympathies for FDR but there they act as politicians and FDR offered some advantages for the Us people although at the expence of the rest of the world. New Deal, Social Democracy, Fascism and Nazism were all good for the angloamerican empire creating stability in the west so the profitable war production could run smoothly.

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    The political side of the Larouche circles ought to have been awarded the Nobel Peace Price if anybody in the west should get it. They have consistently supported development and peaceful cooperation instead of the insane imperialist wars. And likewise exposed the evil malthusian lot who complain that the wars dont kill enough people and critisised the economic wars against the world by the western oligarchy.
    The lying court historians act in accordance with Eric Arthur Blair, (George Orwell), in his 1984, which was to be titled 1948. But Blair was dying and probably couldnt bargain about it. He studied it as an insider from a close range in Britain. Although the establishment like to see it as mostly about the communists so they point to his time with the spanish civil war. And as a dystopic prediction rather than what it is: an account of the angloamerican empire and its spawning of totalitarian ‘foes’.
    Harry Elmer Barnes considered the Us to have developed in 1937 in the direction of Blairs novel 1984. He wrote that in perpetual war for perpetual peace.
    And things are much worse than that brief account about the quakers as the ‘unwitting’ organisers of the Hitler Jugendt. Britain already in the early 1800s started to covertly undermine the jews on the continent with the double aim to realise the Israel project as a bridgehead in the ME directed against Britains rivals and the less obvious aim to maintain Britains hold on banking.

    The latter aim was never openly stated by the British, so it is an outcome of a logical analysis.
    Had Germany been allowed to continue with the plans of collaborating in the ME and more, expanding Germany’s economy, without being coerced into a war they never wanted, they could have superseeded Britain as the power center both for production and finance. So Britain needed war but it was also of great value to be able to keep the jewish networks under control. That was facilitated by employing the jews as revolutionaries and also by deliberately setting the scene for nazism and zionism. The 19th century is full of British conspiracies but never presented honestly by the court historians. History is massacred by them.
    Webster Tarpley’s Against Oligarchy gives an overview.
    For some reason they havent exposed Houston Chamberlains role but other writers have.

  93. @Malla

    Indeed, Scythians and Indo-Iranian nomads belonged to a version of the Nordic race.

    https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-VI5.htm

    • Replies: @Malla
  94. @Bliss

    The original Indo Iranians were blue eyed blonds, you idiot.

    https://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-VI5.htm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andronovo_culture

    Extractions of Y-DNA from one individual was determined to belong to Y-DNA haplogroup C (but not C3), while the other two extractions were determined to belong to haplogroup R1a1a, which is thought to mark the eastward migration of the early Indo-Europeans. Of the individuals surveyed, only two (or 22%) were determined to be Mongoloid, while seven (or 78%) were determined to be Caucasoid, with the majority being light-skinned with predominantly light eyes and light hair.[19]

  95. @Anon

    Sorry to repeat my answers, but….

    • Replies: @Anon
  96. Malla says:
    @Logan

    What you fail to provide is any reason we should accept this definition.

    Woaw, buddy, I was just quoting Otto Weininger. I do not necessarily subscribe to that definition, myself. Otto Weininger was just explaining the difference in between the Jewish and the Aryan mindset including difference in spiritual reverence. He even goes on to say that Jewishness is a mindset and not all Jews have it and many non jews have it too.

    • Replies: @Logan
  97. Malla says:
    @Sam Coulton

    Yes that is true. Thanks for the link.

  98. @Curmudgeon

    To be fair, I’ve most often heard Japanese speakers pronounce the Nazi symbol as the “hakenkurosu”. The closest Japanese equivalent to the word Nazis used:

    https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-Nazis-use-the-Swastika-and-how-did-it-become-known-in-Germany. (BTW: good link to a Hitler sketch of the symbol there.)

    Nazi use related to Odin appears a bit strained.

  99. @Jon Halpenny

    Have you seen a time lapse progression map of the Pacific War?
    It’s on youtube.
    The Japanese were totally decimated and dominated by the US military every step of the way. From Pearl Harbour onwards it was nothing but relentless defeats and retreats for the Japanese. At no point did they ever have the upperhand. Iwo Jima was at best just a speed bump, and on the American juggernaut went.

    The Germans, on the otherhand, were 50-70 outnumbered, surrounded, relentlessly attacked from the air, starved, not buffered by ocean, open season across flat expanses of open land, and yet they still put up a superhuman fight right to the end, inflicting massively murderous casualties on their bestial enemy hordes, fighting tooth and nail for their Volk, while being genocided from every angle. In comparison the Japanese were being kicked around like a football.

    I don’t care about what Hollywood told you about Samurais and Kamikazes. If the jew glorifies you, it’s automatic certification of your untermensch status.

    The Germans proved in two world wars that they are the Supreme fighting men of the earth. The Japanese worker ant doesn’t come close.

    • Agree: utu
    • LOL: tamo
  100. hunor says:
    @Bliss

    he was a best rapper of his time , and a good basketball player.

  101. Anonn36 says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Just finished reading David Irving’s excellent “Hitler’s War” and recall a number of situations in which German soldiers followed Hitler’s orders to fight to the last man though, of course, that doesn’t mean it was a blanket military-wide policy.

  102. S says:
    @ClassicBenz

    Interestingly, as the Germans developed more willingness to sacrifice themselves, more Japanese soldiers began exhibiting a willingness to surrender rather than die for the emperor.

    Yes, such as the battle for Okiniwa fought between April 1 – June 22, 1945 where for the first time they had thousands (7,000 initially) of Japanese surrender or be captured rather than perform effectively suicidal ‘banzai’ charges. It was seen at the time to be a sign the Japanese were starting to ‘break’.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @jlee1
  103. @Bliss

    Vedism precedes Buddhism.
    In fact, Buddhism is to Vedism what Islam is to Judaism, except we’re talking Aryans, not scheming Semitic goat headers.

    Anyway, in Vedism violence in the discharge of Dharma (duty), detached from incentives and performed for its own sake, is morally dissipated and tolerated. Passionate intent, desire, and attachment to rewards are where sin begins. Vedism stresses restraint and ascetisism for this very reason. So it’s ignorantly comical to link Indo-European Nazis to Buddhism and use this to argue pacifism.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  104. Moi says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    If Nietzsche was not a monotheist, that’s his loss.

  105. I wonder how the delegations and reports traveled between Germany and Japan? After 1939, the sea route from Germany to Japan was closed by the Royal Navy, and after 1941, the land route was closed by the Soviet Union.

    I recall reading that late in the War there was some communication via U-boat, but altogether, as “allies” Germany and Japan had a serious communication problem.

  106. @Logan

    True but that would have meant less damage to Germany than Britains deep state had in mind.
    They had already prepared the Us elites to want war in 1909 as stated by a study under the Carnegie foundation, and also later through J P Morgan, sold British bonds to half a million rich americans. Taken together, war profits, destruction of Germany’s future, explains the timings.
    In addition and enormously important for Britain, there was need for war long enough for Britains subversion of Russia.

    • Replies: @S
    , @S
  107. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    There is in Russia the Republic of North Osetia -Alania ,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ossetia%E2%80%93Alania

    • Replies: @Malla
  108. Half-Jap says:

    The emperor is technically an adulterated divine, as being of the divine line since the superior gods decided they wanted to rule the lands as well, but thoroughly bred with the mortals. Obviously, the royals are all too human. But they have their value as being an ancient lineage.
    The house symbol, the chrysanthemum, is an ancient motif shared globally, suggesting a shared experience, from the medusa to buddha’s lotus. I would not be surprised if they have been around for tens of thousands of years, as notable sophisticated survivors of the last cataclysm. 天皇陛下万歳

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  109. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I like the way you elaborate your ideas and the respect you show Bartolo , you are so respectful and intelligent Bartolo .

    Where did you get the video of this ass faced guy saying incoherent things , Bartolo? it is improper of you , I`am sure you put it by mistake .

    Greeting

  110. onebornfree says: • Website

    G. Durocher says: “Jürgens went on to observe that the people of the Third Reich were seeking a new spirituality (journalist’s summary):

    The people of present-day Germany are no longer satisfied with the religion they have had up to now. However, a new religion that can fully satisfy the German people has yet to be born. “

    Jurgens was dead wrong. The German nation already had a new national religion being forced on them, it was called “statism”, or idolatry [ worship] of the [German] state.

    “Stupid is as stupid does”.

    And so it goes…….

    Regards, onebornfree

  111. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    > Catholic Christianity – were a creation of the Jews

    True, true, no matter how much you attempt to deny it. Ever read the Catechism? It agrees with the Jew Testament. Cuckianity is Jew-worship, from the beginning to the present.

    • “We worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews.” (John 4:22)

    • “To the Jews ‘belong the sonship, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship…’” (Catechism of the Catholic Church)

    Stop outsourcing your salvation to the Jews. If a White man somehow feels the need to be “saved,” he should seek “salvation” from another White man offering such services, just like before the Rabbi Jewsus character was invented by Jewish storytellers, as recorded by Plato, circa 400 B.J.W.E. (Before Jew-Worship Era), as follows:

    They perform their ritual, and persuade not only individuals, but whole cities, that expiations and atonements for sin may be made by sacrifices and amusements which fill a vacant hour, and are equally at the service of the living and the dead; the latter sort they call mysteries, and they redeem us from the pains of hell, but if we neglect them no one knows what awaits us.

    Plato
    The Republic, Book II

    It’s OK to be White.

  112. @Digital Samizdat

    Nice name.
    Being a samizdat is a very thankless job.
    But with 4chan, DS,.and youtube being censored and shut down it becomes all the more important. I just hope you keep physical copies of your best material coz digital endeavours are so ephemeral and delicate.

  113. Epigon says:
    @onebornfree

    Fuck off, globalist libertarian auxilia.

    Europeans have ethnic nationalism, actual tradition, history and pride unlike you mentally retarded simpletons praising radical individualism and materialism.

    • Replies: @onebornfree
    , @Anounder
  114. @onebornfree

    Idolatry is as natural to an Aryan as stripes to a tiger.
    Only a God-hating, degenerate, civilization-wrecking unimaginative jew would have a problem with beautiful things inspired by a man’s most sincere devotion to God.
    Protestants are really pathetic in mimicking this jewish disdain for “graven imagery” like a parrot in search of a cracker.
    Go cuck for Israel you Protestant goy.
    Bibi needs more of your tax shekels.
    Less internet, more working.
    Don’t keep the IRS waiting, Israel depends on you.

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
  115. @Honor is Loyalty

    HONOR

    I thought you might be South Asian but this ignorance clearly proves you are not.

    Buddha emerged long after Hinduism and he was expelled from India.

    • Replies: @Honor is Loyalty
  116. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Nazis were pagans , they rejected Christianity , they rejected not simply Jesus Christ but all the graeco-roman traditions of Europe , and the oriental influences on the greco-roman traditions .

    Their ” god ” was a poor man abusing narcotics , ill with Parkinson`s disease , full of hate , not very intelligent , named Adolf Hitler who made believe most of the german people that they , the germans were the superior race , that they were god and they would reach the heaven . Instead he led them to hell .

    • Replies: @Bookish1
    , @Seraphim
  117. onebornfree says: • Website
    @Epigon

    Oooh , seems I struck a statist nerve or two! 🙂

    So what’s next on the agenda here, physical threats against an unbeliever in your crummy little excuse for a religion?

    Bring it on, I can’t wait!

    Must go now, after all, it’s time for me to go “marching up and down the square”:

    “Regards” onebornfree

    • Replies: @Curmudgeon
    , @Anounder
  118. Wally says:
    @onebornfree

    “The German nation already had a new national religion being forced on them, it was called “statism”, or idolatry [ worship] of the [German] state.”

    Is that why FDR was ‘elected’ four times?

  119. @Wally

    Thanks Wally, but I was already familiar with your links.

    Unz Review is not yet considered a “discredited, Anti-Semitic, Neo-Nazi, White Supremacist website producing a false narrative”. LOL. Hopefully more red pills will be consumed with Mr. Durocher’s article here.

  120. Wally says: • Website
    @El Dato

    said:
    “They were also not averse to being extreme assholes, not above abusing & murdering members of the lower classes for a bit of sport …”

    Except there is no proof of such Zionist claims.

  121. @Honor is Loyalty

    Protestants are really pathetic in mimicking this jewish disdain for “graven imagery” like a parrot in search of a cracker. Go cuck for Israel you Protestant goy.

    While there are certainly some denominations that reject “graven imagery” not all do. Personally, I can’t see Wycliffe, Luther, or Hus, cucking for the Rothschild’s Zionist project – Israel.

    • Replies: @utu
  122. @onebornfree

    The reality is, that humans need a belief system of some sort, in order to make sense of life. For most people on the planet, it is some form of religion, whether tribal and rooted in pre-history, or a large organized structure like the RC Church. Within that, there will always be psychopaths looking to use aspects to their own advantage, or to gain power.

    The NSDAP allowed religious freedom, as long as it remained religious and not political. Of course they strove for something different, but was it really statism?

  123. Bookish1 says:
    @4891

    Nietzsche may have admired some things about Judaism but he had’t read ‘the protocals of Zion’ yet. And he never heard Hitler’s speeches explaining Jewish control and how Jews were using the west to advance their power interests. And how Jews were behind every decisive force that was destroying the west. And how every war the west fought the Jews were the primary gainers. Nietzsche had things to learn yet.

  124. Bookish1 says:
    @Anon

    1thoghts of an unintelligent, misinformed, brainwashed idiot. Go back to sleep.

  125. S says:
    @Peter Grafström

    The book Conjuring Hitler, which you’re likely familiar with, has a similar premise to what you describe regarding the British, Germany, and Russia.

    If you’ve never read it you might find the 1853 geo-political book The New Rome by Poesche and Goepp (linked below) of some interest. [Note: I’m not for what this mid 19th century book says, at the same time people should be aware of it’s existence and contents.]

    The book outlines how total world power is to be obtained in the future by the US and UK in three steps:

    1) Put an end to the strategic false split in existence since 1776 between the US and UK so that together they might form a practically unbeatable united front to the world.

    2) Conquer Germany and consolidate control over it, Germany being described as the center of power upon continental Europe.

    3) Smash Russia, Russia being identified as a potential contender with the United States for the control of Germany, and thus of Europe, and the world.

    Any ‘loose ends’ in the plan as the book describes it are to be taken care of by the US/UK’s domination of the world’s economic system.

    Interestingly, the book outlines the critical geo-political importance of dominating the air, and that it will be the United States in the future which will do so.

    It is to be the ability of the US to project it’s air power globally which will give it the upper hand over Russia, and contribute mightily towards Russian defeat.

    pg.155-156 (The New Rome – 1853)

    ‘It [air power] will give us the victory over Russian continentalism. American air-privateers will be down upon the Russian garrisons, to use our own expressive slang, ‘like a parcel of bricks’…

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_new_rome_or_the_united_states_of_the_world_1853

  126. anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @S

    first time they had thousands (7,000 initially) of Japanese surrender or be captured rather than perform effectively suicidal ‘banzai’ charges.

    One of the more well known of whom is Colonel Hiromichi Yahara, whose offer of suicide was rejected, and he was ordered to “bear the shame” and surrender by General Ushijima, just before he committed seppuku.

    As far as ‘banzai charges’, it was Lieutenant General Isamu Cho who had convinced Ushijima to launch several disastrous offensives in the earlier stages of the battle, but it was Yahara who later convinced both of them to stick to the strategy of maintaining defensive positions, such as the Shuri line.

    • Replies: @S
  127. S says:
    @anonymous

    Thanks. Okiniwa was particularly costly for the United States to take.

    And to clarify a bit, while more Japanese surrendered there than ever before, a goodly number of those were recently drafted Okiniwan locals who didn’t quite have the same fighting spirit as the regular Japanese army.

  128. Che Guava says:

    I have a clipping of a reprint of an article from the time, the emphasis being on the great disciplhne and carriage of the Hitler Youth contingent, well before this Victoria’s report (I had not known of the monastery stay before, so credit for that, OTOH, I am pretty sure it is easy to find in Japanese but yes, the newspaper reports never mentioned it).

    This Victoria misses the point. The original of Zen, in China, had a flavour of defending the people. It, ton, has a literature, and also was armed at times.

    The main point of its Japanese offshoot became teaching samurai how to die if required. Anybody who does not understand that is a fool.

    As a sidenote, which I have mentioned oo this site in the past, there is a great Italian fascist monument at the site of one of one of the failed (for reasons of total incomprehenion) shogunate actions against the Imperial govt. It has a marble plinth, inscribed with ‘We admire the brave heroes, etc. (I read the Italian) ‘then Anno Fascisti followed by Roman numerals, I read them, but forget the number. Atop that, there is a column from Pompei, and at the top, a gsyphon.

    It is a nice present, and great that it is there, but those trainee samurai killed themselves (except one, of course later a politician) on mistaken and hysterical assumptions.

    There is something that seems fitting in the conjunction, the swift collapse of Italy is seen as somewhat treacherous.

  129. @Honor is Loyalty

    The Japanese were totally decimated and dominated by the US military every step of the way. From Pearl Harbour onwards it was nothing but relentless defeats and retreats for the Japanese.

    So do you think the Japan would have had a better chance in the war that ZOG would never let her avoid if she had attacked the USSR on December 7, 1941? In the end Stalin stabbed Japan in the back just like he did everyone else. Truman dropped his Masonic Bombs even though Japan was defeated.

    Stalin was able to send his special winter forces into protect Moscow that cold 1941 winter only because he actually found out that Japan would never attack in Manchuria or Siberia.

    The question is, if Japan had helped Germany take down the talmudists in 1941, would Germany have been able to save her from the ensuing US/ZOG onslaught and ultimately the twofer ZOG nuclear ass rape.

    • Replies: @Honor is Loyalty
    , @utu
  130. @Sam Coulton

    I tend to agree with the basis of this response as I found the author referring to German fascism.

    The Third Reich was not fascist! It was what many historians have called a soft-dictatorship. The German corporations never had the same influence with the German government that modern-day American corporations have with the current federal government; what could be now called American Fascism.

    All German corporations in the Third Reich were subject to the authority of the German Board of Manufacturing where all issues between labor and mangement were to be worked out equitably between the two parties. This agency was not a symptom of fascism but in fact, socialism.

    I do not understand why so many writers keep on referring to the Third Reich as German fascism other than the fact that the word, “fascism” has become a popular term to use when indicating the governments of the Axis belligerents in WWII.

    It is the same as when writers (along with Hollywoo0d) conflate sociopath and psychopath, which in reality, have some very stark differences…

    • Replies: @utu
  131. tamo says:
    @Honor is Loyalty

    Given a choice as a light infantry officer, I would have chosen the Imperial Japanese Army soldiers over German ones hands down.

    • Replies: @Fox
    , @Epigon
  132. utu says:
    @Curmudgeon

    I can’t see Wycliffe, Luther, or Hus, cucking for the Rothschild’s Zionist project – Israel.

    Both Hus and Luther were concerned about making Christianity more palatable to Jews. Luther’s later anti-Semitic outbursts may suggest his sense of betrayal by Jews that they did not accept all what he has done for them.

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @Alden
  133. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    That is a terrific article.

    I wonder what jew nietzscheans like Derrida would make of it. There do not seem to be many dead writers with more stroke in the current west university system than Nietzsche. It would be ironic if his intentions to bypass their prejudice was so gloriously successful.

    One of the best books I have read lately is Arthur Melzer Philosophy between the lines.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20694748-philosophy-between-the-lines

    He argues that the coding of hazardous argument is the rule not the exception and ubiquitous. He is a Straussian. I don’t know Melzer’s ethnicity but I would guess he is not eager to decrypt any antisemitism in Nietzsche. Does anybody know if Strauss ever opined on this topic?

    Nobody is ever going to know Nietzsche’s intentions or what is in between his lines.

  134. peterAUS says:
    @Half-Jap

    I would not be surprised if they have been around for tens of thousands of years, as notable sophisticated survivors of the last cataclysm. 天皇陛下万歳

    An interesting point.
    Would you like to expand that a bit?
    Any links to material supporting that idea?

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  135. Fox says:
    @tamo

    What is the reason for your preference?

    • Replies: @Jake
    , @tamo
  136. Epigon says:
    @tamo

    Riiiight.

    As Burma, Guadalcanal and every other island fight has demonstrated.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  137. Jake says:
    @JackOH

    “I guess I’m one of those chumps who believes if we’re to understand how Western peoples have allowed a profoundly demoralizing politics to infect the body politic, we have to go to the 1914-1945 period and try to reevaluate if possible.”

    No, you have to go back to the 15th century and see the heresies that will flourish with the Reformation, because we are approaching the final horrors that are inherent in the war against Christendom.

    Freemasons, Marxists, Cultural Marxists, Nazis, Deists, Zen Buddhists, Shintoists, Jews, Mohammedans, Sodomites, Anglicans, Lutherans, and Liberal Catholics are all on the same side of that war.

    • Replies: @anon
  138. Epigon says:
    @Anon

    Why go for individual plants and facilities when Germany could have been decisively crippled by attacking electric power plants, hydroelectric plants and refineries?
    Nothing moves without electricity and petroleum products, and those targets were impossible to hide (smoke plumes for power plants, dams for hydro, refinery size).

    Speer is most overrated figure in WW2, btw. His “achievements” were made possible by work of his predecessor and previous fine-tunning, then by slave/POW labour, then by idiotic decisions to turn spare parts stock into additional tanks and engines, which boosted production short term, but inflicted lasting damage on the war effort.

    • Replies: @utu
  139. Jake says:
    @utu

    Exactly. Luther believes that Jews would fall allover themselves when they were taught sola fide (salvation by faith only) and convert by the tens of thousands, which would usher in the Second Coming. When Jews published most early Reformation tracts, many of them at cost, Luther felt certain Jews did so because they were preparing to convert. When Jews refused to convert, Luther began his tirades against them.

    Hus was no better.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  140. AaronB says:
    @Jake

    Christians and Jews were actually moving in the opposite direction in the 15th century.

    While Christianity was making itself stupider and more boring and mundane with the Reformation, ultimately killing itself, Judaism was moving towards a beautiful mystical revival, that continues to have influence today.

    Protestant ideas were very much against emerging Jewish trends towards mysticism, so there was very little chance for poor Luther.

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  141. tamo says:
    @Fox

    The Imperial Japanese soldiers very strongly believed in self-sacrifice, extreme bravery, strictest discipline. Due to these qualities, the Japanese infantrymen were many times more likely to fight to the last man than German ones.
    No wonder the Nazi leaders tried to learn the martial spirit of Japanese.

  142. ia says:
    @Bliss

    The following video estimates that some 80% of the deities in Shintoism are of Hindu origin:

    Interesting, but the Indian Buddhist monk arrived in Japan in the 8th century AD. This is spelled out in the first 4 minutes or so. Shinto began long before that.

    • Replies: @Malla
  143. @Guillaume Durocher

    Isn’t Zen a mixture of Buddhism and Taoism?

    The Buddhism that the Buddha taught didn’t involve deities and boddhisatvas, but Buddhism mixed with the earlier faiths and deities were adopted. Princess Miao Shan of Chinese Taoism morphed into Kwan Yin of Buddhism.

    • Replies: @Guillaume Durocher
  144. peterAUS says:
    @tamo

    Let’s see can this be a serious conversation or just the….. usual…. around here.

    There was much more to efficiency and combat quality of WW2 infantry than:

    The Imperial Japanese soldiers very strongly believed in self-sacrifice, extreme bravery, strictest discipline.

    How about:
    -initiative
    -the squad as a basic block of infantry, led by experienced NCO.
    -Aufragstaktik?
    -“two levels up” in tactical understanding; “one level up” in leadership (casualty) replacement?

    That’s for men.
    As for material: submachineguns.

  145. Epigon says:
    @tamo

    The point of war is to do more of killing and less of dying – letting the unfortunate bastard on the other side die for his country.

    Which is the reason why Japanese utterly failed – the disdain for the life of their soldiers and officers ensured that Americans got lopsided K:D ratios even in disadvantageous case of amphibious invasion. US Marines outfought “superior” Japanese men every single time by a significant margin.

    The plane designs lacking armour and self-sealing tanks, catching fire instantly under .50 cal tracer fire quickly expended trained pilot cadre as well.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @tamo
  146. AaronB says:
    @tamo

    But the German soldiers were significantly better fighting men.

    German soldiers inflicted higher casualties in every engagement against allied troops, not to mention Russians, even while attacking.

    By contrast, Japanese defenders – and defensive positions generally inflict 3 times higher casualties on an attacking force – actually inflicted fewer casualties in the attacking American forces than they sufferers.

    Japanese forces also were defeated on land by Russian forces earlier in the century, without being massively outnumbered or overextended deep inside Russia in the winter, as the Germans were later.

    I have the highest respect for the Japanese fighting spirit, and in some ways their sheer fighting spirit was higher than the German, as they were more willing to fight to the death. This is what we’d expect from a country just come out of feudalism, whereas Germany was too far gone in modernity.

    And Japanese fighting ability was undoubtedly the best in Asia. But they could not quite match Europeans or Americans in warrior prowess, after all is said and done, at least back then.

    Today might well be a different story.

  147. @neutral

    Jesus reached out to “the lost sheep of Israel” not gentiles. It was Paul who created a religion palatable to gentiles. Read the book of James in the NT or the Didache to get an idea of Jesus’ views.

  148. @Kali Yuga Management Specialist

    Reminds me of many White Western converts to Islam, arguing, for example, that Islam is a feminist religion. Their brand of Islam is buffet-style – I like this, so I’ll practice it, I don’t like that, so I’ll ignore it and I don’t like that, so I’ll explain it away. The Islam they believe in is an Islam that was and is never practiced anywhere in the world. Of course, they are right and hundreds and millions of Moslems through the ages are wrong.

  149. The biggest difference between Germans and Japanese is that Germans, along with other northern Europeans, are by nature more individualistic. Protestantism, with its emphasis on individual interpretation of the Bible, reflects the individualistic and liberty-loving Northern European spirit.

    Northern Europeans are also the ultimate guilt societies, Japan a shame.

    So much in the modern West is contrary to human nature.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  150. lol read about the eastren front ever wonder there are no hollywood movies about that?

  151. @AaronB

    Kabbalah? Fashionable in Hollywood, too.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  152. peterAUS says:
    @Epigon

    I know you are onto the topic.

    I know it’s highly hypothetical but, just for the sake of conversation:
    Would Jap infantry have fared much better had they been equipped with submachine guns as, say, Soviets? PPSh-41 type, for example, in the same/similar ratio?

    • Replies: @Epigon
  153. peterAUS says:
    @AaronB

    It would be helpful if we stick to line infantry here. Just a suggestion.
    Otherwise, you’d get too wide, starting with logistics. Like, say, US logistics vs Japanese……………………………….

    Or, in practical terms: comparing line infantry, from a squad to a battalion. In their respective prime.

    Just a thought.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  154. tamo says:
    @Epigon

    I’m not talking about quality of weapons or logistics. There was no way Japan would have won the war against America considering the vast Japanese inferiority in technology, industrial production capacity, population size.
    Here I’m ONLY talking about the martial mentality of Japanese soldiers that was second to none.

  155. @tamo

    Commenters are confusing military proficiency with military spirit and willingness to self-sacrifice. It is probably true that German units were more militarily effective than the Japanese . But as you point out, the Japanese had no equals in willingness to fight and die for their cause. Japanese ferocity in Iwo Jima and Okinawa horrified the Americans. When Japan did surrender, it was effectively not an unconditional surrender. The Emperor was kept in place. The last thing the Americans wanted was to fight their way onto the soil of Japan.

    • Agree: AaronB, tamo
    • Replies: @tamo
  156. @jeff stryker

    That is why I said that Vedism preceded Buddhism and compared it to Judaism preceding Islam in analogous fashion.

    I appreciate Buddhism, and I would take it over any (((Abrahamic))) “religion”. But Buddhism is definitely like the cheap Chinese knock off version of Vedism.

  157. AaronB says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    That’s the fake stuff 🙂

    • Replies: @Ris_Eruwaedhiel
  158. tamo says:
    @AaronB

    I was ONLY talking about the fighting spirit of Japanese soldiers, NOTHING ELSE( nothing about quality of weapons or logistics,etc)

    You said “I have the highest respect for the Japanese fighting spirit, and in some ways their sheer fighting spirit was higher than the German, as they were more willing to fight to the death”.

    Then you turned around said pure bull shit “And Japanese fighting ability was undoubtedly the best in Asia. But they could not quite match Europeans or Americans in warrior prowess”. You are contradicting yourself big time here. There was no f–king way any European or American troops had more “fighting spirit “than the Imperial Japanese soldiers. Get over your white supremacy bullshit.

    In these days if I have to choose the toughest light infantrymen, it will be the Gurkhas bar none.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @AaronB
  159. tamo says:
    @Jon Halpenny

    Than you, you took the words right out of my mouth.

  160. Epigon says:
    @peterAUS

    Nah, not even close.
    Artillery+mortars > squad machine guns > personal weapons when it comes to casualty cause in WW2.

    Sub-machine guns were less than ideal in most combat scenarios, the obvious exception being urban combat like Stalingrad where <50 m range was typical and longer range and accuracy of rifles and machine guns was of less importance.

    Besides, the Japanese were chronically short of organic infantry artillery guns and modern divisional artillery, not to mention armoured and anti-armour equipment.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  161. AaronB says:
    @peterAUS

    That’s a fair point, but I don’t know the conflict in such details. If you know the details, I would be happy to hear about them.

    I think analyzing it from a very broad point of view, its fair to say that the Japanese were not as effective a fighting force as Westerners. As warriors, they were impressive for Asians but not equal to Westerners – at that stage in history. I do not know if it would be the same today (as you know, I am not a racial essentialist).

    In terms of fighting spirit, dedication, morale, willingness to sacrifice, and die – they were superior, at that stage in history, to most Europeans, although the Germans came close, and the Russians, in their own way, were not far behind. Nor the Americans, Australians, etc, for that matter.

    But the Japanese, being closer to a pre modern, feudal, and religious past, did have at that point superior moral qualities – although not necessarily by so wide a margin – and surely exhibited higher moral qualities than the Americans, up until about the 90s.

    I am not sure any of this still holds up today, though.

    • Replies: @Epigon
    , @peterAUS
    , @peterAUS
  162. @Kartoffelstampfer

    I never made a value judgement on the Japanese cause. They had no choice. I criticized their execution.

  163. peterAUS says:
    @tamo

    There was no f–king way any European or American troops had more “fighting spirit “than the Imperial Japanese soldiers. Get over your white supremacy bullshit.

    My….. apologies, “tamo”.
    Please disregard all my comments here.

    • Replies: @tamo
  164. AaronB says:
    @tamo

    Tamo, look closely. You misread.

    I said their fighting “ability” was not equal to the Americans (and not because of technology or logistics, but simple human fighting prowess).

    I agree their “spirit” was higher, even than the Germans – although not by a huge amount, and even the “decadent” Americans proved quite tenacious and spirited.

    I even think the Japanese had higher moral qualities than the West until the 90s, and this was the basis for their post war success.

    Modernity corrupts. Coming later to modernity, the Japanese were healthier.

    I even would say that today, the Japanese retain faint traces of their spiritual superiority over the West – though this is fading fast.

    Whereas, China, by contrast, has not exhibited superior moral qualities in the past century or so.

    Anyways, I am not a racist – and do not think these differences are essential to the respective races, but historical contingencies.

    • Replies: @tamo
  165. Epigon says:
    @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    LOL, Germans, Scandis and individualism.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @Alden
    , @fnn
  166. peterAUS says:
    @Epigon

    Artillery+mortars > squad machine guns > personal weapons when it comes to casualty cause in WW2.

    Well…….as I said above, I’d like to stick to a tactical battle, on infantry level, in Pacific. That excludes most of logistics, air power, navy and armor/artillery.

    So….three scenarios.
    Line infantry battalions, both advancing, at night and clash.
    US line infantry company in defense of an average hill in Pacific, night, against Jap line infantry battalion attack with the objective to seize the hill.
    Another way around: Jap company on the hill; American battalion attacking.
    In all cases above just organic heavy weapons.

    In such scenarios, IMHO, one can see the core quality of line infantry. Just me…hehe…

    And, I do believe, had Japs had PPSh 41 type of gun (reliability, ammo capacity) in the same ratio as Soviet shock troops had, well, it would’ve made some difference.

    As you said:

    the obvious exception being urban combat like Stalingrad where <50 m range was typical and longer range and accuracy of rifles and machine guns was of less importance.

    Jungle…….forrest….high grass…high scrub…..the usual Pacific island.

    • Replies: @Epigon
  167. Epigon says:
    @AaronB

    Scenario 1 – Guadalcanal

    You’re dropped off in the middle of nowhere, on a jungle Pacific island, by a destroyer, without any divisional heavy support, regimental artillery or enough supplies.
    The rest of your unit will be deployed some other night, not necessarily at your location.

    Tropical diseases, malnutrition take their toil.

    You and your comrades die because you attack dug in US Marine positions piecemeal, or in frontal charges. The wounded die because no medic service is possible, and evacuation method precludes casualty evacuation.

    Scenario 2 – Pacific stronghold garrison

    You are deployed as part of a sizable Japanese garrison of a once important Japanese holdout in the island-hopping campaign. Over time, US Fleet cuts you off, carrier aircraft strikes neutralize your port and airfield, US subs sink your supply ships and you survive on rice and sake delivered by rare and small submarine supply runs, in addition to hunting the local wildlife to extinction. You are in effect a POW in your own base/pow camp – malnutrition, diseases attrition the numbers and combat readinnes.

    Scenario 3 – Saipan

    You are on an island actually deemed important enough to be invaded by Americans, the whole garrison manages to inflict surprisingly little while taking extreme/total casualties, and your enemy is doing an amphibious invasion, the scenario which favours the defender.

    At some point running unsupported into unsuppresed dug-in opposition, machine guns, barbed wire, mortar and artillery fire and then killing yourself when it predictably failed became “toughness” and “high quality infantry”.
    I call it terrible warmaking and criminal incompetence of general staff and officers in charge.

  168. peterAUS says:
    @AaronB

    If you know the details, I would be happy to hear about them.

    Ask away.

    I think analyzing it from a very broad point of view, its fair to say that the Japanese were not as effective a fighting force as Westerners.

    Agree.

    As warriors, they were impressive for Asians but not equal to Westerners – at that stage in history. I do not know if it would be the same today (as you know, I am not a racial essentialist).

    Error no. 1:mixing “warriors” and “ww2 armed forces”. Apaches were much better warriors than US cavalry. Zulus were much better warriors than British Army. Ah, test: if…IF…battle of Isandlwana came to your mind, how to put it: NOT good. Ulundi. Maoris were …..Mameluks….Celtic/Germanic tribes….

    In terms of fighting spirit, dedication, morale, willingness to sacrifice, and die – they were superior, at that stage in history, to most Europeans, although the Germans came close, and the Russians, in their own way, were not far behind. Nor the Americans, Australians, etc, for that matter.

    Simplistic. Hugely popular, especially around, but simplistic.
    There wasn’t any fighting around American and Aussies homes……………………………………….

    But the Japanese, being closer to a pre modern, feudal, and religious past, did have at that point superior moral qualities – although not necessarily by so wide a margin – and surely exhibited higher moral qualities than the Americans, up until about the 90s.

    Depends on who’s talking. Not quite sure that sentiment is popular around here where I live. Some oldies still around and remember how all that worked: POWs.Ah…haha…and plenty of Chinese too. They for some reason don’t share that “superior moral qualities” either. Must be Commie brainwashing. Or Nanking and similar stuff.

    I am not sure any of this still holds up today, though.

    Ah………NOW we are really talking.
    Don’t know but like to know.
    As everybody and his/her dog flexes his/her muscles in the contemprary world, well….Japs could very well “come back”. Not quite sure how I feel about it. Or, how SUCH Japan would affect our way of life here. Just a thought.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  169. tamo says:
    @peterAUS

    Hey boy, after my previous encounter with you, I have come to the conclusion you don’t even have any military experience. You are nothing but a stupid HONKIE MF.

  170. Epigon says:
    @peterAUS

    It’s actually easier than you think.
    Number of belt-fed Japanese infantry WW2 weapons: 0
    Brownings wipe the floor with Hotchkiss derived “heavy machine guns” of 6.5 and 7.7, even 13.2 mm calibre.

    3×60 US mm mortars vs 2×70 mm gun/mortar is mixed.

  171. @AaronB

    I think that Kabbalah is supposed to be taught only to Orthodox Jewish males age 40 up, not ditzy actresses and slutty singers.

    • LOL: AaronB
  172. tamo says:
    @AaronB

    I was ONLY talking about the ferocious martial mentality of the Japanese soldiers that was second to none,nothing else.

    In my opinion, if Japanese soldiers had higher quality weapons and logistics to match those of Americans, the”fighting abilities “of the Japanese soldiers could have improved greatly and the outcome of the war might have been different.

    • LOL: Epigon
    • Replies: @AaronB
  173. peterAUS says:
    @Epigon

    Was that the answer to my questions? Tactical pure infantry night engagements from company to battalion level, re Jap submachine guns?
    O.K.

  174. peterAUS says:
    @AaronB

    I am not sure any of this still holds up today, though.

    Hey boy, after my previous encounter with you, I have come to the conclusion you don’t even have any military experience. You are nothing but a stupid HONKIE MF.

    Hehe….I just have a vague feeling it holds up a lot. On several levels, starting with elementary social intelligence. Suppressed, bottled up……simmering.
    The same…ahm…. approach… gave them two nukes the last time. Next time…….

  175. AaronB says:
    @tamo

    At the beginning of the war, Japanese weapons were in fact significantly superior.

    And in the Battle of Midway, the first major battle and the turning point of the war, the Japanese had the advantage. Yet they lost.

    Fighting spirit is very important, I agree, but it has different manifestations.

    For instance, an American unit might not be willing to fight to the death or commit suicide so readily, but during the fight might display superior toughness, ingenuity, and determination. Or not.

    One could equally well characterize the situation as the early Japanese successes were against unprepared and unmotivated Western garrisons at the end of long supply lines in Asia, while the Japanese were in their backyard, and of course only when the Japanese had the element of surprise, like at Pearl Harbor.

    But they did not do so well facing a fully mobilized and prepared Western force.

    While there is an element of truth here, I would not be so harsh against the Japanese. I respect them, and they fought well, and deserve to feel pride at their achievements.

    The truth is, when you really examine warfare, all victories are hollow – they are purchased because one side had a temporary advantage in morale, technique, equipment, manpower or logistics. Then the tide changes – and the shoe is on the other foot. Today’s victim is tomorrow’s victor.

    The best example is the Franco-German wars starting with Napoleon’s crushing of German armies – ending, as we know, rather differently.

    That is why victory is the Lords, not man’s 🙂

    • Replies: @tamo
  176. The Japanese samurai in the poster reminds me of Japan’s biggest movie star, Godzilla.

  177. peterAUS says:

    Actually, re Japanese martial spirit, I am curious as to how the resident “bad USA” folks attack the decision to drop the nukes? “Awesome Soviets” folks too.
    I mean, if that spirit was so “big and bad” dropping nukes was simply common sense.

    Or, some blockade would’ve broken that spirit?

    Which one?
    Let’s see that mental gymnastic.

    How about:
    Japanese martial spirit was Huge. Americans and allies from West just pussies. Even nukes didn’t work.
    Soviet martial spirit and overall martial capability were so HUGE that even Japanese martial spirit would’ve broken had Soviets invaded. That, possible Soviet invasion broke that Huge. HUGE is bigger than Huge. More uppercase.
    Good?
    That for military buffs around.

    For those more on, say, spiritual side, how do you explain away the attempted coup against the Emperor?
    I mean, he was divine and such. Bushido, obedience etc.
    So…what does that make of those officers? What were they? What about their seppukus?
    Anyone?

  178. AaronB says:
    @peterAUS

    Yes, its hard to compare the fighting prowess of people’s at different levels of civilization, like Zulus and British, because they develop different skills and emphasize the qualities that make them successful at their fighting styles, and de-prioritize others, leading to a different profile of strengths and weaknesses.

    That’s why it probably makes most sense to compare fighting teams “holistically”, I think.

    The Japanese themselves are physically smaller and weaker than the Koreans or northern Chinese, like the ancient Romans were to the Germanic tribes, yet their modern fighting style and spirit made them more formidable as a group.

    However, the Japanese and the Americans were using the same fighting style – so fighting prowess of “teams” and armies – not individuals – can be better assessed.

    I hear you about fighting spirit – its complex. Willing to die does not track perfectly onto determination during the fight.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  179. AaronB says:
    @Epigon

    Ok, some of this stuff is definitely just negligence.

    The Japanese did rely too much on “spirit” – I am sympathetic to that, but it can go to far .

  180. anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Epigon

    The Japanese even had struggles against the Chinese (e.g. Taierzhuang in 1938, as well as several other battles). I think they were definitely not in the same league as the Germans, even with all else being equal. Many Japanese people today freely admit that warfare in general just does not suit them well. Their “island mentality” did not do them any favors in fighting the war.

  181. tamo says:

    Let me put it this way, if Japan had the same level of technology, industrial production capacity,population size as America did, to produce the same quality war materiel in abundance, the outcome of the war might have been different. I don’t think the Japanese Mitsubishi Zero was fundamentally better than American aircraft . Japan just tweaked the aircraft to increase it’s maneuverability by reducing it’s overall weight sacrificing armor for it’s fuel tank( fatal weakness),etc. These things were little gimmicks not technological breakthroughs.

    I agree with you on that the brave fighting spirit of soldiers alone can not win a war. Superior technology, massive industrial production capability, tactics, strategy are most important to win a war. Then I was ONLY talking about the ferocious fighting mentality of Japanese soldiers, nothing else.

  182. tamo says:
    @AaronB

    I have already replied to you. I’m sorry I forgot to click on reply for my first reply.

  183. peterAUS says:
    @AaronB

    Yes, its hard to compare the fighting prowess of people’s at different levels of civilization, like Zulus and British, because they develop different skills and emphasize the qualities that make them successful at their fighting styles, and de-prioritize others, leading to a different profile of strengths and weaknesses.

    I see.A spiritual approach to the problem.

    I see it more materialistic. Technological. Gunpowder…rifled barrel…breech-loading with metal cartridge….rifled cannon (exploding shell then canister and grapeshot) and the last, but definitely the least, the Gatling gun.

    That’s why it probably makes most sense to compare fighting teams “holistically”, I think.

    I use Clausewitz. Fighting is just a part of the war. And war is “extension….”. One side can be better in fighting and still lose a war.

    The Japanese themselves are physically smaller and weaker than the Koreans or northern Chinese, like the ancient Romans were to the Germanic tribes, yet their modern fighting style and spirit made them more formidable as a group.

    An interesting point. My impression is that the rifled barrel had more influence of “size doesn’t matter” in modern warfare than the size of a targ..I mean a combatant.

    However, the Japanese and the Americans were using the same fighting style – so fighting prowess of “teams” and armies – not individuals – can be better assessed.

    Wouldn’t know about that.
    They, IMHO, used, even at small unit tactics level, different “styles”.
    One was relying on shock action; another on firepower.

    I hear you about fighting spirit – its complex. Willing to die does not track perfectly onto determination during the fight.

    Of course it’s ultimately complex. The eternal question any fighter, from amateur boxer to a modern soldier asks: when it’s time to give up? Is there a point in dying?
    My take: there isn’t in most cases. Of course, there are exceptions.

    As for Japs there wasn’t. For them it wasn’t an exception. It was a rule.
    And, fundamentally it was counterproductive.

    Americans (and allies) in that theatre didn’t develop respect for Japs. They developed contempt with plenty of anger.

    Now….serious conversation about some related topics can’t be done in this open pub.
    What could be interesting to contemplate is: WHAT the fighting, killing and dying are for?

    That is the fundamental question, IMHO. And Japs didn’t have a good answer. IMHO again.

    Ultimately, it’s for PEOPLE. Own people. A soldier has ultimate responsibility (again..hehe..IMHO) for the own people. Not for the Queen, not for ideology, religion, own honor…Emperor…universal morality….whatever…the ultimate responsibility lay with own people.

    All actions are measured to that. All. IMHO…hehe…

    So….was that attitude towards own life, in combat, really serving Japanese people? Simple question.
    Not the Emperor. Not the top layers of Jap society. Not the spirit of bushido. Little…little…everyday people.
    In my book…no. On the contrary in a lot of cases.

    My take…hehe…sure many don’t share around here. I can’t say give a fu..I mean….would care about it.

    • LOL: tamo
    • Replies: @Jon Halpenny
  184. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:

    However, risking one’s life for the sake of honor, truth, and the good are central to all traditional ethics grounded in heroism ever since Homer. We are all going to die eventually, why not risk death to live excellently, why cling to an unworthy life? The spirit of Zen and the samurai is different however in adding to this, simultaneously, a commitment to action and a worldly detachment. The samurai, like the Stoic, steels his will, does all he can, knowing he has only his mind to work with, and is utterly detached from the necessarily unpredictable outcome.

    What is honor, truth and the good? For the Japanese circa 1900, it was imperialism and conquest. (And no different from the West in that regard)

    Worldly detachment is fine, but using that detachment in action towards what goal? A conflagration that will lead to the misery of millions?

    I think there’s a little too much celebration for a culture that is at its core a military culture. The samurai found Zen a convenient philosophy and religion because it is amoral and its tenets helped soldiers kill and die without fear and remorse.

    I’m not sure why this should be a cause for great praise. Unless you also love butchering and find something useful to be learned here.

    Japan was a relatively late developer in the East and the islands were also unified much later than its neighbors. Had sufficient time passed, the samurai would have taken its rightful place among the lower classes, as it did with its neighbors, with the onset of permanent peace.

    The trouble with Japanese culture, I think, is it lacks a sufficient dose of Confucianism. It doesn’t quite have the moral vertebrae necessary to balance Buddhism (spirituality) and Shinto (nationalism).

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    , @anonymous
  185. @Sam Coulton

    They keep doing this because of the racist imperative under which this site functions. That the Indian and Iranian civilisations were established long before the arrival of the Aryan “conquerors” (migrants) is not something that they can stomach. I’m fact after the arrival of the Aryans, it is only in the fourth century BCE that Indian archaeology finds urbanisation comparable to the pre-Aryan Harappan culture.

  186. @Epigon

    Right; the Japanese war making style was criminal incompetence. They reached their high point in 1942 at Singapore and it was downhill from there. The only real strategic genius they had, Tomoyuki Yamashita, was sent off to the Mongolia border after taking Singapore because his superiors in the army were afraid of his becoming too popular and powerful.

  187. utu says:
    @Epigon

    Germany could have been decisively crippled…

    Apparently the idea of killing people was more appealing to RAF. A sort of instant gratification. Besides they opted to fly at night only so no precision bombing was possible. One must give Americans credit that they attempted to do precision bombings in their day time missions but before developing the long range escort fighter planes their losses were staggering. 30% of all American dead in WWII was associated with Air Force.

  188. utu says:
    @Steve Naidamast

    The term “fascism” is meaningless. It is an invective that was promoted and popularized by Stalinist propaganda and it got stuck and adopted by virtually everybody. That the Bolshevik demonology turned out to be so successful and became a universal demonology tells you something about their impact on the universal lexicology. We are living in the world that was partly constructed by Bolsheviks. The next question would be to what extent Bolshevism was a necessary evil twin of Americanism.

  189. utu says:
    @Kartoffelstampfer

    So do you think the Japan would have had a better chance in the war that ZOG would never let her avoid if she had attacked the USSR on December 7, 1941?

    Not December 7 but June 23 and then they would have a better chance by helping Germany. In Asia they should have had concentrated only on British, French and Dutch colonies and leave America out of it. You do not do what FDR wanted you to do. Force FDR to work much harder to convince the Americans to go to war which he promised many times that he would not do.

    As far as Germany was concerned Japan turned out to be utterly useless ally.

    • Replies: @Kartoffelstampfer
  190. Alden says:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    I’ll ask my friend. She’s one. She grew up on an 800 year old family compound., she’s told me something about the culture of Samurai. They’re extremely conscious of presentation and what other people think of then. Very very house proud “ the garden is the face of the house”. Always be well dressed and well mannered. They’re very arrogant?? about their opinions and judgements. She and her brother were raised to believe they must behave better than other people then they’d be better than other people.

    She loves Trump because he’s not a Democrat. She and her daughter raised money for his election She’s a very patriotic American and a proud Japanese chauvinist.

    I’ll ask her if there are any English language books.

  191. Alden says:
    @Bliss

    Exactly right. No Buddhism in ancient Persia. Zoroasterism isn’t the oldest Persian religion though. I don’t know what came before.

  192. Alden says:
    @Malla

    Muslims liked Vikings because the Vikings sold their own people, especially girl children as slaves to the Muslims.

    • Replies: @Malla
  193. Alden says:
    @Honor is Loyalty

    Poland might disagree that Poles and Germans are brothers. The friction didn’t start in 1939.

  194. Alden says:
    @S

    Thanks for the links

    • Replies: @S
  195. Seraphim says:
    @Digital Samizdat

    Nietzsche was a crypto-Jew. In any case an intellectual shabbos-goy, carrying on the attacks against Christianity that the Jews were hesitant to do openly in the social circumstances when many Jews were converting (sincerely or not) to Christianity.

  196. @Malla

    MALLA

    Nobody has really agreed on where the Dravidian were from. Everyone else who arrived in Northern India came from Iran or Afghanistan or the Southern Steppes of Russia. Of course Eastern India has Nepalese and Bengali admixture.

    Sythian were from the Pontiac steppe. Sure they were white, but they were really just a bunch of mercenaries who struck a deal with a Rajput king and married locals.

    Of course if you have ever been around high-caste North Indian Brahmin you can see their Slavic roots-though excessively wimpy today, they still have the heavy build and height and wide Slavic cheekbones of Russians and Ukrainians. Exactly how they became so intelligent could be a matter of eugenics. They’re probably higher IQ than the average Slav.

    • Replies: @Malla
  197. Alden says:
    @utu

    Luther wanted to convert the Jews to Christianity by emphasizing the Old Testament It didn’t work. He visited Rome. I’ve always wondered if he had some contacts with Jews during his visit.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  198. Alden says:
    @Epigon

    First Scandinavians, then Germans are the most conformist of the European people’s. As anyone who’s ever lived in those countries knows.

  199. Seraphim says:
    @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

    The truth is that if Christianity is the “wrong religion for white people” it is because the so-called ‘white’ people are in reality the “British Israelites”, crypto-Jews. Their religion is in fact Judaism.

  200. @Alden

    ALDEN

    It worked to an extent. Reformed Jews seemingly incorporated some aspects of Lutheranism.

    • Replies: @Alden
  201. @Anonymous

    “Japan was a relatively late developer in the East and the islands were also unified much later than its neighbors. Had sufficient time passed, the samurai would have taken its rightful place among the lower classes, as it did with its neighbors, with the onset of permanent peace.”

    Would you care to flesh this out by reference to actual timelines in Japan and it’s “neighbors” – especially China. Who were the Samurai equivalent in those other countries?

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Anonymous
  202. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    First point: yes.

    Second point: I don’t know. The earliest scriptures seem to be very heterogeneous. In some Buddha appears as a realist-pessimist philosopher uninterested in the gods.

  203. @utu

    As far as Germany was concerned Japan turned out to be utterly useless ally.

    Ditto Italy, and even more so Spain. Franco could have kicked England out of Gibraltar and shut down the English navy in the Med. Malta would have fallen and the Suez too.

    Immediately after Pearl Harbor, Hitler unilaterally declared war on the US and many use this as an excuse to claim that Hitler was a Rothschild puppet.

    If Japan had reciprocally declared war on the USSR on December 7, I think it would have lead to the complete nervous breakdown of Stalin and the fall of Moscow. Instead of pulling reserves west, Stalin would have had to move his reserves east.

    I agree that Japan should have focused on English and Dutch colonies and not taken Roosevelt’s bait. I have also read, I believe here at UR, that the Dutch and English oil refineries were never bombed or shut down throughout the Japanese occupation, so the lack of resources would appear to be a canard.

    This all ties back to the theme of this thread because if Japan had been the “good” warriors their supporters claim, she would have made that war declaration. But then again we must remember that Japan had declared war on the Kaiser 25 years earlier and had received most of Germany’s far eastern colonies in compensation. In this sense Japan’s defeat might just have been karma.

  204. Seraphim says:
    @Anon

    Germans believed that they were a superior race before Hitler. He just told them what they wanted to hear and that’s why they voted him in. They went in the First World War with their heads full of the same crazy ideas and they have been stupid enough to go again.

  205. Seraphim says:
    @Malla

    Oh, not again. People cannot stop excreting the same malarkey over and over and over. Christian myth, Origins of christianity….

  206. Half-Jap says:
    @peterAUS

    It first began long ago when I was referred to the Piri Reis map, which purports to depict an ice-free northern antarctic. Jury’s out on that, but it got me interested, and learned of the ancient greeks and others before them in their understanding of astronomy, if nothing else, and seemingly out of nowhere.
    This idea of the imperial household’s symbol being of ancient origin is based upon electric cosmology combined with symbology and myths from around the world. One documentary that piqued my interest is Symbols of an Alien Sky:

    The survivors part comes from various sources, but learning of sophisticated architectual engineering in ruins, such as the Harappan, certainly got me to wonder, as well as submerged cities that were above ground before the end of the last ice age.
    The similar style of the ziggurat, s. american pyramids, and indonesian ones certain is curious, as well as the moai statues holding their belly is somewhat similar to belly-holding statues found in gobleki tepe (turkey/fmr. armenia).
    Speaking of which, we are supposed to believe that a bunch of hunter/gatherers erected the massive stone structures 12000 years ago.
    There is much we can’t know any longer, but much are left around for us to wonder what was, and how much we’ve forgotten as we survived through several catastrophes, in the roughly 300,000 years we’ve existed as we are anatomically.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @peterAUS
    , @Anounder
  207. S says:
    @Alden

    You’re welcome.

    Fon Belcher has remarkable insight into the background of the 1776 Revolution and the players involved. More people should read his work.

  208. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jake

    You forgot Christianity’s War on White People.

    And look up the term “Northern Crusades” some time and learn something about the Jew-Worshipers’ War on White People.

  209. @Jon Halpenny

    In Germany,Japanese used to be called the Prussians of the East well before WW2.My grandmother was from a military family in Königsberg(now Kaliningrad),and her brothers,who did not want to enlist,had revolvers put on their nightstands,which meant shoot yourself or leave before sunrise.This must have been around 1895.None of them stayed,never to be heard from again.So yes,of course,there were differences in spirit,but also similarities.

  210. @S

    Thank you for the links. Much appreciated.
    I am familiar with Conjuring Hitler. The author appears to have had his career in the Us hampered and continued with other subjects in Italy.
    The usual treatment of honest historians.
    Reading the material you point out, I get too many associations right now but it is highly interesting.
    As an aside I learned to some surprise that Poesche also wrote a book about the aryans in 1878 and placed their origin in the marshes of Rotinka in the Belarus and Ukraine since there was a lot of albinism there.
    Just one association to the New Rome.
    1853 was the year when the Us (and passively ), the Europeans forced Japan to sign trade agreements, the Us using cannonboat diplomacy. What later unfolded was Japan to develop in a militaristic direction, indirectly encouraged by Britain as I remember it. It wasnt just the Japanese reaction on the humiliating unprovoked attack by the Us. It was yet another example of the typical British power of balance strategy. Britain called them their police in that part of the world. The brother of Houston Chamberlain would be teaching Japanese students their own native language. And Britain built warships for them and pitted them against the greater rival, Russia.

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    , @S
  211. Malla says:
    @Anon

    Yes I know, it is believed that the Ossetians are closely related to the ancient Alans.

  212. @peterAUS

    “Americans (and allies) in that theatre didn’t develop respect for Japs. They developed contempt with plenty of anger.”

    I would say the Americans treated Japan with more respect than they did the Germans after WW II. For example,the Japanese Emperor was left in place and great care was taken to treat him with respect and not to besmirch his reputation. Contrast that with Allied treatment of defeated Germany.

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  213. Malla says:
    @Alden

    the Vikings sold their own people

    In a way yes, in a way no. The Vikings mostly sold Slavonics who were not their own people in an ethnic sense but were definitely their own people in a racial sense. But for the Arabs it may have seemed that the Vikings were selling their own people as from an Arab perspective, all Europeans/Whites were more or less the same people.

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    , @Epigon
    , @Anon
  214. Malla says:
    @jeff stryker

    Sure they were white, but they were really just a bunch of mercenaries who struck a deal with a Rajput king and married locals.

    When the Scythians came (and now the revised date goes back to 800 BC) there were nothing called Rajput. Rajputs are a much later phenomenon. The Scythians married local women (in some cases even dark skinned tribal Bhil women) and their descendants (now brown Caucasians) formed many Warrior Kshatriya clans of Northern India.

    Nobody has really agreed on where the Dravidian were from.

    It is now believed that the Dravidians are a remnant of the Indus valley Civilization people. And the Indus Valley Civilization was formed by a people formed by the mixing of Caucasian Iranian wheat farmers and aboriginal black Australoid hunter gatherer jungle dwellers. With the coming of the Aryans, some of the Indus Valley people were either absorbed into the new society (the language changing from Dravidian to Aryan) while other Indus Valley people went further down into the southern parts of the Indian subcontinent further mixing with hunter gatherer populations in the South. Thus the Indus Valley people became darker with more dose of black hunter gatherer population genes but in the process they brought civilization to Southern India. These studies have not studied the East Asian component in the South Asian population but other studies have shown some East Asian ancestry in South Asian such as Tibetans and Cambodian rice farmers.

    Where did People of India and Other Parts of South, Central Asia Come From

    Sensitivity Over Aryan Migration Due To 2 Misconceptions, Says ‘Early Indians’ Author

    They’re probably higher IQ than the average Slav.

    Are you sure about that? Then why do Russian and Polish University students regularly trounce Brahmin dominated Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) teams in programming contests like the IBM ACM contests?

    https://icpc.baylor.edu/community/results-2019

    Final standings of the 43th Annual International Collegiate Programming Contest World Finals, 2019

    You can check the winners of earlier years.

    https://icpc.baylor.edu/community/world-finals-champions

    Check how Slavic and Han Chinese teams dominate. Moscow State University, St. Petersburg ITMO University, St. Petersburg State University, Zhejiang University, Warsaw University.
    If you go through the results you will see that in many years, the IIT teams (who are mostly upper caste dominated) could not even solve a single problem and were given only an honorary mention. Also most of the Russian and Polish team member names seem predominantly Native Gentile Slavic, not many Ashkenazis, though I cannot he very sure.

  215. Anonymous[526] • Disclaimer says:

    “Progressivism” is probably the best religion for whites. It is the one that best accommodate their vanity, their status-mongering, their constant need to feel superior to those in the lower classes, their need to feel virtuous without any actual effort, their preference for appearances over reality, for fake politeness over actual warmth, friendship and a sense community, their shallowness, their lack of feeling of brotherhood with other whites, their lack of actual freedom of thought (not speech, thought), their apparent need to blindly follow the latest fashion or ideology (usually created by Jews), their total incapacity to deal with psychopaths and snake-oil salesmen, their sheep-like acceptance of anything that is popular or considered right by the powers that be from “multiculturalism” to “gay marriage”, their complete lack of understanding, particularly by women, that genes for blond hair or higher creativity are special and rare and are not transmitted to future generations if they copulate with Blacks or Arabs, their total ignorance of how other tribes or races think, their constant assumption that everyone is just like them and all they need is “education” or “assimilation”, their paternalism, their feminism, all their isms.
    Christianity tried to fix whites for two thousand years, but it failed. Nietzschean-Darwinian neo-paganism also failed, in an even shorter time (~100 years). Progressivism is the best religion for Whites, it’s the religion that makes them happier. It will probably turn them into a very small minority, but who cares. It’s what they want. “Fewer but better whites.”

    An Ex-White.

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  216. Malla says:
    @Jon Halpenny

    I would say the Americans treated Japan with more respect than they did the Germans after WW II.

    That is true. For the Allied countries, destroying the Third Reich was what WW2 was all about. Japan and Italy were side shows. At best the Japanese Empire was considered a major threat by the elites for the planned spread of communism in Eastern Eurasia. BTW if Mussolini would have acted like Franco and stayed out of an alliance with the Third Reich, Italy would have been left alone too. WW2 was not about spreading democracy (LOL, tell that to the Poles and other Eastern Europeans or North Koreans) or to destroy fascism (Spain left alone). It was about destroying the Third Reich.

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    , @Che Guava
  217. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    This has some basis in Christian missionary activities of the last two centuries. Missionaries bleating and braying about black slavery, opium trade with China & building hospitals and schools for some savages in some god forsaken malaria infested jungle while ignoring the plight of poor White kids back home climbing chimneys to clean them.

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  218. @Kartoffelstampfer

    In 1939 Hitler had authorized the Nazi-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact. This Pact was signed while the Japanese Army was fighting a fierce battle against the Red Army on the Manchurian border. The Japanese lost that battle. There was great bitterness in Japan that their ally had signed a peace pact with the Soviets at that point in time.

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  219. Malla says:
    @Kartoffelstampfer

    James Perloff who has many good videos on you tube on the subject of WW2 even postulated that Roosevelt got the USA into the war with the Japanese Empire to prevent something he really dreaded, the Japanese Empire attacking the Soviet Union from the East. A German Western attack coupled with a Japanese Eastern attack would have truly been a nightmare for Stalin. The Commie spy Richard Sorge informed the Soviets that Japan would not attack the Soviet Union in the near future. That information plus reading of Japanese codes allowed Stalin to transfer 18 divisions, 1,700 tanks, and over 1,500 aircraft from Siberia and the Far East to the Western Front against the western Axis Powers during the Battle for Moscow.
    Besides that the Japanese had signed something called the Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact in 1941 and the Japanese Government foolishly trusted Stalin to keep this pact. Stalin even went on to tell the Japanese about “Asian solidarity” or something of that sort.

    Imagine what went though Japanese ambassador Naotake Satō’s mind when on August 8, 1945, Soviet foreign minister Vyacheslav Molotov informed him that the Soviet Union had declared war on Japan, and that from August 9 the Soviet Government would consider itself to be at war with Japan.

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  220. Malla says:
    @Anon

    France still occupies economically Africa , exploiting her with the CFA franc .

    Here we go again, evil Whitey sneaking into Wakanda to loot the poor natives. Are non ex French Empire African nations doing better than ex French Empire African nations? Is Ethiopia, a nation never really colonised a rich Wakanda land? And this is even after Ethiopia being one of those very few black countries with a real civilization with real stone structures from ancient times.

    As far as the French Empire, French colonisation cost more than it yielded 2 years out of 3.
    2.1 % of French GDP was spent on an average in French colonies each year during about a century…
    That is 3 times more than the OECD recommendation established in 1969 for ODA (0.7% of GDP).
    That is overall the equivalent of 7 European Recovery Program (“Marshall Plan” as they say in France) that was GIVEN, NOT LENDED, to the colonies by France.
    This is a proven fact by French historians(cf Jacques Marseille and Daniel Lefeuvre works).

  221. S says:
    @Malla

    Yes, Germany was primarily what WWII was about.

    And, as you allude, in time they would have to go after Japan. Interestingly, Japan has been seen as something like the Britain of the Far East historically.

  222. @Jon Halpenny

    Well the non-aggression pact was signed after Japan had been crushed at Khalkhin Gol. After the non-aggression pact was signed Stalin still went on to grab the Baltics, Bessarabia, and attack Finland as well. Germany agreed that Stalin could have all these countries, nor Manchuria. It was a non-aggression pact not an alliance.

    In August, as Stalin secretly angled for an alliance with Hitler, Zhukov amassed powerful forces near the front. When German Foreign Minister Ribbentrop flew to Moscow to sign the Nazi-Soviet Pact, Stalin unleashed Zhukov. The future Red Army Marshal unveiled the tactics he would later employ with such devastating effect at Stalingrad, Kursk, and elsewhere: a combined arms assault with massed infantry and artillery that fixed the enemy on the central front while powerful armored formations enveloped the enemy’s flanks, encircled, and ultimately crushed him in a battle of annihilation. Over 75 percent of Japan’s ground forces at the front were killed in combat.

    The article goes on to say:

    In June 1941, Germany invaded Russia and in the early months of the war inflicted such crushing defeats on the Red Army, many believed the Soviet Union was on the verge of collapse. Germany urged Japan to invade the Soviet Far East, avenge the defeat at Nomonhan, and seize as much Soviet territory as it could swallow. But in July 1941, the United States and Britain had imposed an oil embargo on Japan that threatened to starve the Japanese war machine. To avert this, the Imperial Navy was determined to seize the oil-rich Dutch East Indies. The Netherlands had been conquered a year earlier. Britain was fighting for its life. Only the U.S. Pacific Fleet stood in the way. Many in the Japanese Army, however, were keen to attack the U.S.S.R., as Germany was urging. They wanted to avenge the defeat at Nomonhan while the Red Army was being smashed by the blitzkrieg. Japanese Army and Navy leaders debated this issue at a series of Imperial War Conferences.

    Isn’t it funny that it is always seems to be navy guys who drag countries into wars? Churchill and Roosevelt both came out of Navy Departments too.

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  223. Alden says:
    @Kartoffelstampfer

    Spain was neutral in WW2. Not an ally of anyone.

  224. Alden says:
    @Half-Jap

    Have you read Graham Hancock’s books Fascinating and believable.

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    , @peterAUS
  225. utu says:
    @Kartoffelstampfer

    Ditto Italy, and even more so Spain. Franco could have kicked England out of Gibraltar and shut down the English navy in the Med.

    Franco’s calculation turned out to be correct and Spaniards should feel eternal gratitude to him for keeping Spain out of war.

    Italy was a good ally unlike Japan and provided many troops to German war effort. But Italy did not need that war and Mussolini should have followed Franco’s example. Yes, they screwed up on several occasions and caused problems to Germans but it was rather expected. Italy had some positive influence on Germany when they urged a restraint of German behavior on occupied territories and intervened on many occasions to have some people released from concentration camps or have their lives sparred.

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  226. Alden says:
    @Malla

    They slave raided in Finland so much the Finns still remember and Finland was somewhat of a Swedish colony for much of its history.

    That they also stole Slavs didn’t mean they didn’t sell their own women and children.

    Slavonic is an adjective.

  227. Epigon says:
    @Malla

    Who told you this nonsense?
    Christian Norse continued selling their Pagan kin as late as 12th century.
    By that time, Slavs/Slavonics have long been Christianised and Rus’ principalities were strong, Slavic and controlled the routes so no Norsemen could sell Slavs to Muslims.

    It would be incredibly interesting to read these historical narratives,so please provide them.

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  228. @utu

    Franco’s calculation turned out to be correct and Spaniards should feel eternal gratitude to him for keeping Spain out of war.

    Really? Spain has been performing a Franco-rollback ever since he died, and they recently voted to allow basically any jew to claim Spainish citizenship for their sins searching out Crypto-jews during the inquisition. In other words, just like all the rest of Europe, Spain ultimately lost the war to ZOG, but with a time lag due to Franco playing both sides and not supporting Germany as he should have.

    I write this because Franco never would have won the civil war without Germany’s help.

    If Franco had supported Hitler and taken Gibraltar who knows what kind of country Spain might be now. No EU, no UN, no ECB, no IMF, no sheckel Euro. Perhaps they would even still have men with enough testosterone who were brave enough to enter a Bull Ring with a large angry bull charging at him. Instead, Spaniards have become little more that jew poodles being bossed around by their chica’s.

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  229. S says:
    @Peter Grafström

    I am familiar with Conjuring Hitler. The author appears to have had his career in the Us hampered and continued with other subjects in Italy…The usual treatment of honest historians.

    Yes, I was pleasantly surprised when reading the book to find it presented a non-traditional and fair examination of WWII. And despite the title, not that the US/UK created Adolf Hitler, but rather that they ‘fostered’ him and his already existing National Socialist movement financially for their own cynical ends, ie to make the future crushing of an unbowed Germany between Capitalism and Communism as thorough and complete as possible, while simultaneously gravely harming Russia and the Russian people, both physically and materially, a ‘two fer’.

    No wonder the US/UK establishment despises the Italian writer. A brave man.

    As an aside I learned to some surprise that Poesche also wrote a book about the aryans in 1878 and placed their origin in the marshes of Rotinka in the Belarus and Ukraine since there was a lot of albinism there.

    Yes, I was somewhat surprised by that as well.

    Theodore Poesche is an intriguing fellow. As a young twenty something ’48er’ he fled Germany to London (London always seeming to figure quite prominantly in these things) and, circa 1850, stayed there about a year, where it’s thought he may well have met fellow revolutionary Mazzini. He then traveled to the United States, and in collaboration with Charles Goepp, writes and then publishes the remarkable geo-political book The New Rome.

    While Poesche was no doubt highly intelligent, I doubt he acquired the deep geo-political understanding of the US/UK displayed in his book entirely on his own.

    My suspicion, rather, is that Poesche while in London was introduced to some representatives of some very powerful people, who ‘filled him in’ on plans for the future of the world, which even then were already quite developed. He was then ‘commisioned’ by these people to go to the United States to write and publish a book on this subject.

    If so, the cushy US government Washington DC job he would obtain might of been a form of payment ‘for his trouble’.

    Later, IIRC, Poesche would be recalled to Germany to confer directly with Bismarck himself, and to advise the German government on certain matters.

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_new_rome_or_the_united_states_of_the_world_1853

  230. @Kartoffelstampfer

    “Well the non-aggression pact was signed after Japan had been crushed at Khalkhin Gol.”

    No. It was signed while the battle was raging.

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  231. S says:
    @Peter Grafström

    Just one association to the New Rome. 1853 was the year when the US (and passively ), the Europeans forced Japan to sign trade agreements, the US using cannonboat diplomacy.

    In the excerpt below The New Rome book specifically brings up Perry’s mission.

    The photograph is that of General MacArthur accepting the surrender of the Japanese Empire in September, 1945. The US flag in the background is Admiral Perry’s original flagship flag which he had taken with him on his 1853 naval expedition to open up Japan to US trade.

    Perry’s flag was brought from the United States and installed on the USS Missouri specifically for the symbolic purpose of ‘witnessing’ the formal surrender of Japan to the United States [and by extension to the UK].

    ‘The expedition to Japan and China has already started on its mission of making a breach for the entrance of American enterprise into these walled-up magazines of wealth and civilization.’

    The New Rome (1853) – pg 76-77

    The treaty for the acquisition of the Sandwich Islands [Hawaii] is concluded, and only awaits its ratification. These islands are the first stopping-place between this continent and Asia; they can hardly be called, geographically speaking, an American outpost. The expedition to Japan and China has already started on its mission of making a breach for the entrance of American enterprise into these walled-up magazines of wealth and civilization. But the spangled banner will probably find its first resting-place upon another country of those distant regions.

    The book describes the symbolic meaning of the US flag.

    ‘In hoc signo vincent!’ translates roughly from Latin as ‘In this sign you shall conquer!’

    From pg 119 of The New Rome:

    ‘The signs of the times are clear and unmistakable, and ”The New Rome” awakens to her task, and is resolved upon its execution. Let her raise her banner of stars over land and sea, the token of perdition to the despots and redemption to the peoples, who may be convinced: In hoc signo vincent!’

    https://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_new_rome_or_the_united_states_of_the_world_1853

  232. anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I think, is it lacks a sufficient dose of Confucianism. It doesn’t quite have the moral vertebrae necessary to balance Buddhism (spirituality) and Shinto (nationalism).

    The interplay of Shinto, Buddhism, and Confucianism was fairly important to the ideas of Kanetomo Yoshida (founder of Yuiitsu Shinto) as well as many others. Btw, Shinto is not nationalism. It is the Japanese traditional animistic religion/culture; Japan’s equivalent of Chinese folk religion and Shindo in Korea. It is interesting to note the Buddhist and Shinto influences of individual shrines, temples, symbolism, cultural sites, and festivals in various cities (Kamakura, Matsue, etc).

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  233. S says:
    @Peter Grafström

    What later unfolded was Japan to develop in a militaristic direction, indirectly encouraged by Britain as I remember it. It wasnt just the Japanese reaction on the humiliating unprovoked attack by the US. It was yet another example of the typical British power of balance strategy.

    Also, a possible example of how since the time of the strategic false split between Britain and America in 1776, with little exception, the US and UK have played ‘good cop’/’bad cop’ to the world, and even towards their own people. All the while of course the two powers have been on the same team.

    A closely paralleling and not dissimilar situation exist with Russia and China and their strategic false split (aka the ‘Sino-Soviet’ split) since the latter 1950’s.

    Am reminded here of the Republic of Ireland, entirely understandably, not trusting the British. But then deciding to trust the United States (!!) and Bill Clinton (!) to act as a non-partial intermediary in the Irish ‘peace process’ with the UK.

    Go figure. :-/

  234. Sparkon says:
    @Malla

    Roosevelt got the USA into the war with the Japanese Empire to prevent something he really dreaded, the Japanese Empire attacking the Soviet Union from the East. A German Western attack coupled with a Japanese Eastern attack would have truly been a nightmare for Stalin. The Commie spy Richard Sorge informed the Soviets that Japan would not attack the Soviet Union in the near future. That information plus reading of Japanese codes allowed Stalin to transfer 18 divisions, 1,700 tanks, and over 1,500 aircraft from Siberia and the Far East to the Western Front against the western Axis Powers during the Battle for Moscow.

    That’s pretty much the standard narrative, but it’s all propaganda.

    Nigel Askey has debunked the myth of the transfer of the Siberian divisions to Moscow, by showing there was no substantial movement of Red Army formations from the Far East or Siberia to the Western front at any time during the first six months of Barbarossa.

    So the question is; who stopped the Germans in December 1941 if it couldn’t possibly have been hordes of newly arrived Siberian or East Front troops? The answer is a massive number of newly mobilised and deployed divisions and brigades. The Soviet land model shows that 182 rifle divisions, 43 militia rifle divisions, eight tank divisions, three mechanised divisions, 62 tank brigades, 50 cavalry divisions, 55 rifle brigades, 21 naval rifle brigades, 11 naval infantry brigades, 41 armies, 11 fronts and a multitude of other units were newly Mobilised and Deployed (MD) in the second half of 1941.
    […]
    There is no doubt that the 1941 Soviet mobilisation programme was simply the largest and fastest wartime mobilisation in history. The multitude of average Soviet soldiers from all over the USSR that made up these units saved the day, and definitely not the existing units transferred west after June 1941, or the mostly non-existent and mythical Siberian divisions.

    http://www.operationbarbarossa.net/the-siberian-divisions-and-the-battle-for-moscow-in-1941-42/

    With well over 200 newly mobilized Red Army divisions by Dec. 1941, along with a host of other new and powerful formations like 62 tank brigades, there was absolutely no need for Stalin to denude or weaken units in Siberia or the Far East by transferring 18 divisions to the west, and indeed Stavka continued to strengthen units in the Far East throughout the war.

    There was little in Siberia or the Soviet Far East for the Japanese to exploit to make it worth their while to attack in that direction, and in any event as you note, the Soviets and Japanese had signed a cease fire after Khalkin Gol and were at peace until Stalin renounced it in 1945.

    There was a significant spy in Japan, but he was Japanese, and his reports were going not to Stalin, but to FDR. The spy told FDR through intermediaries when the Japanese fleet sailed, and that Pearl Harbor would be attacked on Dec. 7, 1941.

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    , @Sparkon
  235. Anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    When the missionaries came to China, many entered in the same vessels as the opium. So the Chinese thought they were opium traders and refused to convert.

    With one hand, the British (Jardine Matheson) infected the Chinese with opium, with help from Sassoons, Rothschilds, Tatas, and Rockefellers. With the other hand, they came bearing the Bible. Not surprisingly, the Chinese refused their religious message.

    The Chinese are right to be suspicious of foreigners (Whites, Jews, Indians). Even today, the Communist party is highly xenophobic.

    The Missionaries wanted the opium trade ended so Chinese would be happy and convert. For similar reasons, they did aid and charity in Africa. It’s easier to convert people when they like you.

    White American missionaries weren’t that compassionate to poor Blacks in America either. Mostly because poor Blacks were already Christian and didn’t have to be bribed to convert.

    Missionaries were nice to browns and blacks when they could get a conversion. When they refused conversion, typically they didn’t get anything. Not surprisingly, lots of nonwhites converted for economic reasons.

    Lots of Indians embraced Christianity in Goa to get their hands on White loot, but their conversions were not genuine. They continued to be secret Hindus and retain Hindu rituals, like the caste system.

    In Africa, most Black “Christians” practice voodoo and spirit wirship.

    Bribing for conversions gets you poor quality followers.

    • Replies: @Malla
  236. @Jon Halpenny

    The “Battle” was actually a series of “Battles”. The final “battle” started on August 20:

    Zhukov decided it was time to break the stalemate.[43] At 05:45 on 20 August 1939, Soviet artillery and 557 aircraft[43] attacked Japanese positions, the first fighter-bomber offensive in Soviet Air Force history.[53] Approximately 50,000 Soviet and Mongolian soldiers of the 57th Special Corps defended the east bank of the Khalkhyn Gol. Three infantry divisions and a tank brigade crossed the river, supported by massed artillery and the Soviet Air Force. Once the Japanese were pinned down by the attack of Soviet center units, Soviet armored units swept around the flanks and attacked the Japanese in the rear, achieving a classic double envelopment. When the Soviet wings linked up at Nomonhan village on 25 August, the Japanese 23rd Infantry Division was trapped

    I would bet that by 23 August that “Soviet armored units swept around the flanks and attacked the Japanese in the rear”. The soviets had vast numerical superiority in armored vehicles, cannons and aircraft, all of them the finest that the West could design for them.

    The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact,[a] officially known as the Treaty of Non-aggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics,[b] was a neutrality pact between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union signed in Moscow on 23 August 1939

    What is your point anyway?

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  237. Anon[339] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Aren’t the Afghan Pathans the descendants of the Aryans?

    • Replies: @Malla
  238. Malla says:
    @Anon

    The Missionaries wanted the opium trade ended so Chinese would be happy and convert. For similar reasons, they did aid and charity in Africa. It’s easier to convert people when they like you.

    Or could it just be that some missionaries wanted the opium trade to end because they found it immoral. Simple as that.

    Missionaries were nice to browns and blacks when they could get a conversion. When they refused conversion, typically they didn’t get anything. Not surprisingly, lots of nonwhites converted for economic reasons.

    Not true at all. Yes it is true, missionaries did have conversion in mind but many missionaries did a lot of thankless service to people of all faiths and even people who had no interest in conversion.
    For example, medical care in India grew primarily because of the works of missionaries. Many missionaries opened hospitals in god forsaken small towns throughout India, bringing modern medical care for the poor and especially for women. Why would anyone leave England or Germany of United States to go and live in some crappy small town in India in the 1800s and 1900s?
    Today those medical missions have turned into big hospitals and Medical colleges in India and those small towns have only a small Christian population. So definitely they brought modern medicine to those Hindus/Muslims who even had no intention of converting. So you are wrong in your statement.

    Missionaries and growth of medical field in India
    In 1947 when India left the British Empire, 50% of all hospital beds in India, Pakistan were owned by Christian Missionaries. Obviously India and Pakistan are not 50% Christian.

    Or take the case of Amy Caemichael who played a big part in rescuing dev dasis or temple women from lower castes who are basically turned slave prostitiutes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Carmichael

    Carmichael’s most notable work was with girls and young women, some of whom were saved from customs that amounted to forced prostitution. Hindu temple children were primarily young girls dedicated to the gods, then usually forced into prostitution to earn money for the priests (i.e., Devadasi)[4]. Families often sold their children to the temples if they did not want them, or if they needed extra money and less mouths to feed. Sometimes, when children had some sort of disability, they would be given to the temple. Children were treated horribly and forced to do some of the most disgusting evils. If girls were given to the temples when they were older, they would still remember the outside world. The priests inside the temple would simply take them through the gross routines again and again until over time they forgot everything except for the evil and sin and darkness in which they lived.

    Carmichael’s fellowship transformed Dohnavur into a sanctuary for over one thousand children who would otherwise have faced a bleak future.[7] Carmichael often said that her Ministry of rescuing temple children started with a girl named Preena. Having become a temple servant against her wishes, Preena managed to escape. Amy Carmichael provided her shelter and withstood the threats of those who insisted that the girl be returned either to the temple directly to continue her sexual assignments, or to her family for more indirect return to the temple. The number of such incidents soon grew, thus beginning Amy Carmichael’s new Ministry.[8] When the children were asked what drew them to Amy, they most often replied “It was love. Amma (They’re referring to Amy as their mother; Amma means mother) loved us.”[9]

    Respecting Indian culture, members of the organization wore Indian dress and gave the rescued children Indian names. Carmichael herself dressed in Indian clothes, dyed her skin with dark coffee, and often travelled long distances on India’s hot, dusty roads to save just one child from suffering.

    While serving in India, Amy received a letter from a young lady who was considering life as a missionary. She asked Amy, “What is missionary life like?” Amy wrote back saying simply, “Missionary life is simply a chance to die.” ”

    They continued to be secret Hindus and retain Hindu rituals, like the caste system.

    LOL the caste system just does not leave the Indian subcontinent. It exists even among Muslims and Sikhs. But both Islam and Sikhism in theory are against caste. It is like a leech stuck to South Asian society.

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  239. Malla says:
    @Epigon

    Dude, you are right about Slavs becoming strong in the 12th century and maybe Vikings were selling their pagan kin in that century. My information comes a few centuries earlier when Vikings were selling Slavs. Maybe all that changed after the Christianization of Slavic lands.

    My source is the Arab explorer Ahmad ibn Fadlan but that was in the 9th century.

    “As for the Rus, they live on an island … that takes three days to walk round and is covered with thick undergrowth and forests; it is most unhealthy. … They harry the Slavs, using ships to reach them; they carry them off as slaves and…sell them. They have no fields but simply live on what they get from the Slav’s lands. … When a son is born, the father will go up to the newborn baby, sword in hand; throwing it down, he says, “I shall not leave you with any property: You have only what you can provide with this weapon.”

    Maybe things changed completely in 3 centuries as you mentioned.

  240. Malla says:
    @Anon

    Aren’t the Afghan Pathans the descendants of the Aryans?

    I do not think there is any pure Aryans (or any pure race) in South Asia (except maybe the borderlands of Tibet). We are all a mix of many populations and there is Aryan ancestry in some proportion in nearly all South Asians including jungle tribals. But yes some populations have more Aryan ancestry than others. In general upper caste Hindus have higher Aryan ancestry than lower caste Hindus and as one goes more towards the North West of South Asia, the Aryan genetic component increases. So yes Pathans would have a higher than average Aryan ancestry like North Indian brahmins.

    All South Asians are a mix of ANI (Ancestral North Indians) and ASI (Ancestral South Indians).
    The ASI is formed by the mixture of Caucasian Iranian farmers and Australoid hunter gatherers.
    The ANI not pure Aryans so to speak but formed by the mixing of Aryans and other populations.

    As you can see in the diagram. The Pathan are closer to the ANI norm followed by the Vaish or Vaishnav upper caste Hindus followed by Meghawals who are lower caste Hindus followed by the Bhils who are tribals. Bhils are closer to the ASI.

  241. Che Guava says:
    @Malla

    Many attacks witi flame-throwers, fire-bombings on a scale beyond any in Germany (which is not to say that those were not barbaric beyond measure, but because they were on behalf of Zionism, supposedly fine), the first two (and only so far) atomic bombings? This was gentle or side-show treatment?

    For the main part of the time that the U.S.A. under Rnsenfeldt was at war, the main adversary was Japan. Not a sideshow, it was the main act.

    The D-day landings and aftermath were the sideshow, the USSR had already done all of the heavy lifting, as any fool can readily see.

    • Replies: @Malla
  242. Blankaerd says:

    I somewhat respect the attempt of the nazi’s to fill up the void created by the enlightenment. They correctly determined that Christianity had been corrupted to a point where it’s no longer beneficial to the white race / germanic people. Like other people pointed out, the Catholic Church has long been a shield of civilization against foreign influence, but in the thirties that institution had been corrupted beyond repair, and today it’s as much an embarrassment as it is corrupt. Only a radical traditionalist revolution in which most of the catholic leadership is cleansed could potentially save the Church, but I do not see that happening ever.

    • Replies: @Malla
  243. Alden says:
    @Kartoffelstampfer

    During WW2 Franco issued an order that any Jew presenting him herself at the border should be allowed in as a refugee. They just had to sign a form that family tale is we once lived in Spain.

    • Replies: @fnn
  244. Malla says:
    @Sparkon

    Hey thank you for this information I was unaware of, I mean Nigel Askey’s work. Maybe the Soviets did not need Eastern forces in their fight against the Western Axis forces. However I am sure, Stalin still had some fears about the future plans of the Japanese Empire and he definitely wanted to be sure that they had no invasion plans towards the Soviet Union from the East.

    There was a significant spy in Japan, but he was Japanese, and his reports were going not to Stalin, but to FDR.

    I was writing about Richard Sorge and he reported to the Soviets.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Sorge

    “Richard Sorge (October 4, 1895 – November 7, 1944) was a German journalist and Soviet military intelligence officer, active before and during World War II, working undercover as a German journalist in both Nazi Germany and the Empire of Japan. His codename was “Ramsay” (Russian: Рамза́й). A number of famous personalities considered him one of the most accomplished spies.

    Sorge is most famous for his service in Japan in 1940 and 1941, when he provided information about Adolf Hitler’s plan to attack the Soviet Union.

    In mid-September 1941, he informed the Soviets that Japan would not attack the Soviet Union in the near future. Various writers have speculated that this information allowed Stalin to transfer 18 divisions, 1,700 tanks, and over 1,500 aircraft from Siberia and the Far East to the Western Front against the western Axis Powers during the Battle for Moscow. However, Soviet code-breakers had broken the Japanese diplomatic codes, and Moscow already knew from signals intelligence that there would be no Japanese attack on the Soviet Union in 1941.[1]

    A month later Sorge was arrested in Japan on the counts of espionage. He was tortured, forced to confess, tried, and hanged in November 1944. He was posthumously awarded the title of Hero of the Soviet Union in 1964.”

    ..snip…

    Sorge was told by his GRU superiors that his mission in Japan was to “give very careful study to the question of whether or not Japan was planning to attack the USSR”.[17] After his arrest in 1941, Sorge told his captors:

    This was for many years the most important duty assigned to me and my group; it would not be far wrong to say that it was the sole object of my mission in Japan…The USSR, as it viewed the prominent role and attitude taken by the Japanese military in foreign policy after the Manchurian incident, had come to harbor a deeply implanted suspicion that Japan was planning to attack the Soviet Union, a suspicion so strong that my frequently expressed opinions to the contrary were not always fully appreciated in Moscow…[21]

    He was warned by his commanders not to have contact with the underground Japanese Communist Party or with the Soviet Embassy in Tokyo.”

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  245. @Kartoffelstampfer

    “What is your point anyway?”

    Hitler broke the terms of the Anti-Comintern Pact by agreeing to the Nazi-Soviet Pact. Some of the Japanese regarded his action as a betrayal.

  246. Alden says:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    I just spoke with my friend. As far as she knows, there’s no real Samurai history in English. Navy husband they lived all over. She checked local library and college libraries found nothing.

    There a book no translation about the beginning of the Samurai. Her ancestors were heavily involved. 1100-1200 AD Mongolian raiding for slaves and loot increased. Mongolians established forts on the coast preparing for conquest.

    National government did nothing so local land owners and their tenants organized themselves and drive the Mongolians out. Then a local coast guard watch towers local militia trained and ready to fight. Sounds just as the Europeans organized local defense after Rome fell.

    Her uncles and father were the WW2 generation. They all claimed that the whole warrior Samurai ethos was totally bogus. An uncle was a college teacher. He always claimed that from about 1890 on all the schools from elementary to university were ordered to develop a warrior curriculum and brainwash the boys that it’s an honor to die for their country

    Uncles who were in the army claimed that they were sent into battle and to occupy conquered lands with no food or weapons. The boys were also told that if captured by the Americans or resistance they’d be tortured to death.

    So they didn’t refuse to surrender out of bravery but fear of torture. Japanese army also had MPs in the back who shot any retreating soldiers. Uncles claimed the great fighting spirit of the Japanese army was a myth. Brainwashed kids who feared surrender and subsequent torture. Plus being shot by MPs if they retreated.

    Samurai motto is “ no one controls me”. Might be why she’s such an avid Republican. She resents CNN telling her how to think.

    • Replies: @Guillaume Durocher
  247. Malla says:
    @Blankaerd

    I somewhat respect the attempt of the nazi’s to fill up the void created by the enlightenment.

    That is very true. German National Socialism and even Japanese Nationalism were really some form of revolt against modernism. And specifically against the two dominant children of soulless materialist modernism, American style Capitalism (and its degenerate art & culture) and Soviet Marxist Communism (and its degenerate art before Social Realism).

  248. Anonymous[131] • Disclaimer says:
    @Wizard of Oz

    Would you care to flesh this out by reference to actual timelines in Japan and it’s “neighbors” – especially China. Who were the Samurai equivalent in those other countries?

    The samurai is a soldier. And the warrior is admired in times of conflict and war. The scholar is honored in times of peace. It’s as simple as that.

    China’s unification came at the end of the Warring State’s period, 4thc BC. (Correct me if I’m wrong) In Korea, the peninsula was unified by the 7th. Japanese unification didn’t come until the 17th. So of course, in Japan, the samurai warrior enjoyed top honors. It was a warrior culture. And in many ways, still is.

    I’m not an expert on this topic. It’s just common sense.

    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
  249. Anonymous[131] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    The interplay of Shinto, Buddhism, and Confucianism was fairly important to the ideas of Kanetomo Yoshida (founder of Yuiitsu Shinto) as well as many others. Btw, Shinto is not nationalism.

    Neo-Confucianism became the state ideology in Korea by the 14thc. In Japan, Neo-Confucianism wasn’t adopted until the 17th. But even then, its impact was arguably limited.

    I know Shinto isn’t nationalism. But it was used for nationalistic purposes.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  250. fnn says:
    @Epigon

    I think of what is meant by “individualism” in these cases is lack of clan culture that is so common in the rest of the world. Weak extended families, little nepotism, etc.

  251. anonymous[145] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    But even then, its impact was arguably limited.

    Yes, fortunately, the Japanese did not go overboard with adopting Confucianism.

    But it was used for nationalistic purposes.

    True. During Japan’s Imperial years, Shinto was ‘secularized’ and stripped down to basically just emperor worship gone wild. Prior to this, emperor worship had not even been a common Shinto practice. Many actual Shinto traditions and rituals were forbidden to be practiced. Officially, Shinto was no longer considered a religion, but just a patriotic duty. Priests who objected too much risked getting “hammered down”. In short, it was just another useful tool for the military propagandists to incorporate into their bullshit bushido ideology, along with all of the zen and samurai nonsense. It was an effective tool for the militarists to use in drumming up support for the war against China, and then to mobilize the country against the US and the other Western allies.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Alden
  252. Seraphim says:
    @Malla

    Maybe we should remember the Soviet-Japanese Neutrality Pact of 13 April 1941 by which Japan would not attack USSR if ‘of one or several third powers would attack USSR’ and the Tripartite Act which obliged the signatory powers to “assist one another with all political, economic and military means if one of the Contracting Powers is attacked by a Power at present not involved in the European War or in the Japanese-Chinese conflict”. Only if USSR was attacking, in other words.
    That should make it clear that Stalin was not preparing to invade Germany. Sorge only confirmed that the Japanese would stick to the Treaty. If Stalin ‘ignored’ the ‘warnings’ of Sorge of the imminent Barbarossa onslaught, it was because he knew that it would happen (from other sources) and was already confident that Japan would not attack if Germany attacked. He was clearly preparing a war of attrition which would nullify the exceptional valour of the best warriors in the world.
    Anyhow, Japan had little appetite to attack USSR where they would have too little to gain, whereas its expansion to the South was absolutely vital, capturing the oil fields of the Dutch East Indies and Malaya and they had too much on their hands in China.

    • Replies: @Malla
  253. Anonymous[131] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Yes, fortunately, the Japanese did not go overboard with adopting Confucianism

    Not really, considering the alternative. Japan went overboard with militarism without a moral check. In E. Asia, Confucianism is that essential moral check.

    If you consider Japanese shenanigans in the 16th and 20th centuries, its impact on greater E. Asia were disasters.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @anonymous
  254. @Kartoffelstampfer

    Japan did not declare war on the USSR for a very simple reason: it had already tried to take on the USSR at Khalkhin Ghol in 1939 and got its head handed to it on a platter. The Japanese knew perfectly well that the Nazi delusion that led Hitler to proclaim that

    “Russia is a house of cards. You just have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come tumbling down”

    was just that – a ridiculous delusion. Also, Japan’s decision to go to war was not to help the Nazis but to secure its own economic access to South East Asian oil, tin, and rubber. It did not need to go to war against the USSR to save the skin of Hitlerite scum in Europe.

    • Replies: @Malla
  255. Alden says:
    @anonymous

    That’s what my Samurai friend says as told by father and uncles who lived through the warrior brainwashing and WW2 with no food and no weapons.

  256. Sparkon says:
    @Sparkon

    I must retract this:

    There was a significant spy in Japan, but he was Japanese, and his reports were going not to Stalin, but to FDR. The spy told FDR through intermediaries when the Japanese fleet sailed, and that Pearl Harbor would be attacked on Dec. 7, 1941.

    I found this this information in Google Books, but it turns out the passages I based this on are from a work of fiction, The President’s Spy by Joseph L. Mayeux, pp 85-88, but Google Books where I found this information did not make clear Mayeux’s work is a novel.

  257. @Anonymous

    Thank you for lucidly setting out the issue. There must be a possibility that some scholar will reply with affirmation, qualification or negation. I hope so.

  258. @Malla

    MALLA

    Strangely enough, most Brahmin I worked with in Dubai were St. Xavier graduates. A Catholic university which, don’t ask me why, was the Ivy League college of Brahmin in Mumbai.

    Another oddly successful groups are the St. Thomas Christians. In Kerala, where I knew them well I asked them where they were from and they claimed to be the descendants of fifth century Syrian apostles. Impossible and they looked like Jews to me, but nobody has really pinpointed where these people are from.

    White conquerors in Goa and Jewish traders in Kerala did the age old strategy of intermarrying with local Brahmin women in order to establish social ties the old easy horizontal way.
    When all is said and done, it was not missionaries who converted the Goans to Catholicism or Jews in Kerala.

    They did it the old fashioned horizontal way.

    It is crude, but white invaders were glorified male hookers. Find the local elite, get the women pregnant.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  259. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    If you consider Japanese shenanigans in the 16th and 20th centuries, its impact on greater E. Asia were disasters.

    Oh yeah, Japan was always evul.

    Check this out, Korea under Japanese rule.

    You can get more info here

    https://koreawithjapan.blogspot.com/

    • Replies: @fnn
    , @Anonymous
  260. Malla says:
    @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    “Russia is a house of cards. You just have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come tumbling down”

    The rotten structure was welded together with American landlease money.

  261. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Politically Incorrect Truth about the Japanese Empire

    • Replies: @Escher
  262. Malla says:
    @Che Guava

    This was gentle or side-show treatment?

    I did not mean that Japan was not taken as threat by the allies. Contrary to many here, Japan was considered and was a major industrial and military power. That is why the Americans did not want an invasion of the Japanese islands. And yes the bombing of Japanese cities was barbaric.

    But my point was Roosevelt wanted to get at Germany. Americans were in general not interested in a war. And the allied elites wanted a new Lusitania like incident to rile up the American people, but the Germans smartly prevented anything of that sort happening. That is why Roosevelt had to use Japan as a way to get at Germany. The Third Reich in everything it stood for was the enemy of the Satanic globalist Zio elites. Their whole dreams of the coming NWO would have gone up in flames if the Third Reich would have survived.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @Logan
  263. Malla says:
    @Seraphim

    That should make it clear that Stalin was not preparing to invade Germany.

    I am not sure about that. Hitler’s Barbarossa speech completely matches Sovorov’s theory. But that speech has been scrubbed out of Youtube. Youtube is becoming a Main Stream Media brainwashing channel. Soon going on youtube will be same as watching CNN.

    • Replies: @Seraphim
  264. Malla says:
    @ia

    Shinto coming out of Hinduism is just plain B.S. That video is typical Hindu gorilla like chest thumping in which we Hindus are very good at. Shinto is independently developed in Japan. It is just that some Hindu concepts reached Japan with Mahayana Buddhism.

  265. Seraphim says:
    @jeff stryker

    Admit that it is a more pleasant way than cutting the throats.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  266. jlee1 says: • Website
    @S

    yes, and many more Japanese would have surrendered had not what the saw was done to their comrades who did surrender;

    http://thomasgoodrich.com/summer-1945-book-review/

    and those that did got a litle nudge from the helicopter, if you know what I mean… (had there been helis at the time…)

    Check out what Col. Lindbergh had to say about what Americans did with the dirty Japs.

    • Replies: @S
  267. Malla says:
    @tamo

    The Imperial Japanese soldiers very strongly believed in self-sacrifice, extreme bravery, strictest discipline.

    Indeed, a toast to their superhuman bravery with a Kamikaze Pilot Song

    One of the most fascinating songs I have ever heard.

    • Agree: Guillaume Durocher
  268. @Seraphim

    SERAPHIM

    Cutting throats does not create alliances. Neither does rape. The children are merely abandoned to die.

    Hispanics were generally better at horizontal diplomacy than Englishmen who preferred to have sex with one another in their barracks.

    But strategic sex works. Woo the local Brahmin or Chieftain’s daughter or sister, impregnate her and ba-boom you have a kid descended from both the local elite and the conquerors.

    This is why the Spanish progeny still rule Mexico and the Philippines and Portugese Goa while English are long forgotten.

  269. Seraphim says:
    @Malla

    But if Suvorov’s theory matches Hitler’s speech?

  270. S says:
    @jlee1

    Very true.

    Lindbergh put the US establishment in a real bind. Even today they have a problem dealing with him.

    A beloved hero who (rightfully) came out against their push for war.

  271. Half-Jap says:
    @Alden

    I have. Interesting stuff, although he’s only a fellow traveller and his interpretations of what he found is debatable.

  272. Che Guava says:
    @Malla

    You are correct, and my tone was probably too scolding. Thank you for the reply.

    In regional cities, one can tell which were most heavily bombed at times, atl east in the lflat places, Takasaki is the best example in a way, it was a base of Hitachi manufacturing in particular (and still is, a bit).

    The new vesion of the old city centre of now is strange, it has a grid, and the most traffic and crossing lights anywhere.

    The band nane is Seppuku Pistols, their earlier electro-punk work is no longer up (I still have it, pretty good, but would have to ask permission to re-post), but I would expect that the later version, including the NY show and even, possibly, my earlier video of their festive style in early days, other vids, are on the ‘net somewhere. In any case, recommended listtening.

    • Replies: @Malla
  273. fnn says:
    @Malla

    Is there a picture of Pyongyang after the American bombing? I read there was not a single building standing.

    • Replies: @Malla
  274. anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Every culture picks and chooses the aspects of the dominant philosophies and religions available that most reflect their own (current) collective needs, character, mood, and ambitions. Only later on do they then try to justify it by claiming that their “superior” morals are grounded in some larger, all-encompassing philosophy or religion (this is bs window dressing). Likewise, the Japanese did this with neo-Confucian principles, but they also remained flexible enough to be able to adapt to the changing conditions of the world in the mid-19th century.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  275. fnn says:
    @Alden

    Not everything is about the Jews. Mostly it’s about objective reality. Look about you and see the world
    that was created by the victorious Democratic-Communist alliance.

  276. peterAUS says:
    @Half-Jap

    Thought provoking stuff.
    Especially:

    …we are supposed to believe that a bunch of hunter/gatherers erected the massive stone structures 12000 years ago.
    There is much we can’t know any longer, but much are left around for us to wonder what was, and how much we’ve forgotten as we survived through several catastrophes, in the roughly 300,000 years we’ve existed as we are anatomically.

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  277. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Oh yeah, Japan was always evul. Check this out, Korea under Japanese rule.

    Arguments like this are inherently specious because it always gives the powerful, rich and clever the right to dominate the less powerful, rich and clever.

    So I’m not sure why these sorts of arguments are often used when, clearly, most human beings value sovereignty and dignity over slavery and trinkets.

    As a person of the West who ostensibly values freedom and liberty, you should know this better than most. But like a lot of Westerners, you’re duplicitous and a hypocrite.

    • Replies: @Anounder
    , @Malla
  278. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:
    @anonymous

    Likewise, the Japanese did this with neo-Confucian principles, but they also remained flexible enough to be able to adapt to the changing conditions of the world in the mid-19th century.

    Japan deserves absolute kudos for its development in the 19th and 20th centuries. None of its neighbors begrudge it for that.

    What invites moral reproach is how it used its power, development and wealth. Japan joined the machinations of Western hooligans to rape the East.

    There is no “neo-Confucian” princicple that can justify Japanese imperialism of familiar neighbors with whom it has had contact for thousands of years. It’s just not something “civilized” countries did based on the norms of Confucian-based diplomacy. It’s what barbarians do. And Japan was barbaric.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @Half-Jap
  279. @AaronB

    You think too much of the fighting ability of the white man when you you have had the advantage of tecnology and arms over all your foes , what happened to the british in singapore cowards surrendered without much of a fight , in fact half the australian army ran from malaysia to singapore when they heard the japanese had arrived in malaysia,even commandeering ships kicking out the women and chidren because they were so terrified to get captured, asians will always be better fighters than whites always been this way troughout history from turks to viets

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  280. @eastkekestaniisawhiteguy

    Then why do whites countries continue to control the world? Trump, May and Putin are white. For that matter why do refugees flee non-white countries for white countries? Why did whites colonize the world?

  281. Anounder says:
    @onebornfree

    You’re only 56% White and sinking. Filled with Muds. The country with a state like China named China in comparison maintain their blood stock.

    Have your ilk ever won any notable wars of extermination or subjugation? Found a way to ensure the creation of roads and the arts?

  282. Anounder says:
    @Anonymous

    >most human beings value sovereignty and dignity over slavery and trinkets.

    Found the liberal. Civilization by birth requires the subordination of untermensch.

    • Replies: @Logan
  283. Anounder says:
    @Half-Jap

    Speaking of which, we are supposed to believe that a bunch of hunter/gatherers erected the massive stone structures 12000 years ago.

    Your assumption that the world was just a collection of noble savages until they started randomly building atone objections is trash and rooted in your modernism. In actuality, every great work be it the pyramids or Turkey’s works rooted in the spiritual. Not in lost civilizations.

  284. Logan says:
    @Malla

    Scott Murray : He unwilling to defend his honor is not a man. Henry David Thoreau said that.

    Robin ‘Stormy’ Weathers : Yabba-dabba-doo. Frederick Flintstone said that. So what?

  285. Anounder says:
    @Epigon

    onebornfree is an atomized/alienated one. He sees himself as just dropped onto the world with no ties to his parents, his bloodline, his ethnos. Mingling with a Negro isn’t shameful, there is no difference between a bunch of spear chuckers jivin around and Mozart’s work. And even if there was European nobility had no relevance in the creation and spreading of such beauty.

  286. Logan says:
    @Anounder

    Did you mean “by definition?”

  287. Logan says:
    @Malla

    I am curious what your explanation is for Hitler unilaterally declaring war on America after Pearl Harbor, something not required by his treaty with Japan. Not that Hitler, by his own words, ever paid much attention to treaties.

    Had he not done so, it is not at all obvious that America would have gone to war with Germany. We might have wound up fighting in the Pacific and Asia but not in Africa and Europe.

  288. andre says: • Website

    I wrote about this connection on my blog in the context of American culture that the French intellectual’s despised despite Bataille’s interesting comment https://martinmugar.blogspot.com/2012/02/impossiblity-of-transcendence-in.html

  289. @Honor is Loyalty

    “From Pearl Harbour onwards it was nothing but relentless defeats and retreats for the Japanese. At no point did they ever have the upperhand. Iwo Jima was at best just a speed bump, and on the American juggernaut went.”

    At Iwo Jima the Americans had 100,000 of their best troops. The battle went on for 5 weeks and the Americans suffered about 25% casualties. At Okinawa the Americans had half a million troops, the battle lasted nearly 3 months with massive casualties on both sides. It’s not even clear that America would have been capable of mounting an invasion of the Japanese home Islands.

  290. Escher says:
    @Malla

    Interesting.

    • Replies: @Malla
  291. @Ris_Eruwaedhiel

    Quite right. The buffet metaphor in particular rings true.

    However, a corollary to this phenomena is the type of convert who really commits body and soul to the new faith, utterly betraying ancestral ties in a deliberate determination to ‘become’. This type will typically be more fanatical than born members of a given religion in their desire to prove themselves.

    While certain white converts to Islam straight away come to mind, a right wing example would be Savitri Devi and her conversion to Hinduism.

    Such people are very dangerous, especially as they may be ‘within the gates’ so to speak. I fear such driven converts to Islam may become increasingly widespread in Europe as it’s culture strains under the invasion.

    • Replies: @Malla
  292. anonymous[319] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    But like a lot of Westerners, you’re duplicitous and a hypocrite

    machinations of Western hooligans to rape the East

    I am just curious, did you once comment under the name “Bach”? Your comments and reasoning are reminding me a lot of his.

  293. Half-Jap says:
    @Anonymous

    FYI we fought a war of liberation, burning down colonies. While China was a mistake aggravated by stupid leaders, the goal was to break the stranglehold on resource-rich western colonies. Of course, we kinda did put ourselves into the corner as well, but the co-prosperity sphere was a strategic objective. Chiang Kai-Shek was barbaric, pillaging the countryside and executing his soldiers as they sought to desert. No wonder Mao had an easy time by the end of the civil war.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Anonymous
    , @Malla
  294. Che Guava says:
    @Logan

    Malla,

    That is a good point that I was already making.

    … and more concisely.

    There were two main factions in Japan at the time, what was called the Control Faction’ and centred on the Army, which supported attacking the USSR in the east, and the other, more based on the Navy, which did not really have a fixed policy until the foreign minister, Kishii, stopped in Moscow on his way home from Berlin.

    Molotov was not there at the time, I forget the name of his rep., but the advice was ‘go south’, so Japan in no way assisted Barbarosssa.

    You are very astute to understand that Hitler’s declaration of war on the U.S.A. was very stupid, since Japan had done nothing to support Barbarossa.

    The story has a twist, of course, with the USSR Red Army setting up the CPC in Manchuria, turning a blind eye to the treaty of neutrality.

    That is not to say that there no geopolitical plans. It was to be to the north of India. Both Japan and Cermany had Indian independence lleaders called Boas on-side, but Japan was stalled in Burma, and Germamy and its allies only reached the Caucasus.

    However, the indepenence army set up by the Imperial Army came to tpower, and kicked out most of the Indians imposed ton there by the Brit. Empire, and the successor state seems to be quite keen on kicking Bengali Muslim invaders out.

    Seem like good ideas to me.

  295. “The Japanese even had struggles against the Chinese (e.g. Taierzhuang in 1938, as well as several other battles)”.
    There is no shame on that, the French actually were defeated by the Chinese on land in the Sino-French War. Although the Chinese armies performed better than in other nineteenth-century wars and the war ended with French defeat on land, the French achieved most of their aims in the Treaty of Tientsin. China was a quite powerful country, that’s why when ww2 finished, it was called one of the four policemen of the world.

  296. @jeff stryker

    i was responding to the anon guy about whites making better fighters not about controlling the world man thers no question you do,but who cares as long as you guys don’t butt your noses into asian affairs and not target our women am fine with you controlling the brown world have at it and make babies with them not my problem.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  297. @eastkekestaniisawhiteguy

    I live in Asia and I am here to tell you white men are going to stay in Asia. White men can make a living here and some Asian woman will marry us. So why should we leave?

    • LOL: tamo
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Ajeoshi
  298. During the Pacific campaigns American infantry units suffered fatalities at about 5 times the rate of their counterparts fighting in Europe. They suffered non-fatal casualties at about 3 times the rate of those fighting in Europe. And it must be remembered Japanese infantry units were not as well equipped as their German counterparts.

    http://coachfleenor.weebly.com/uploads/6/6/7/3/6673552/no_bomb_no_end.pdf

    • Agree: tamo
  299. Anon[114] • Disclaimer says:

    Bot what my Samurai friend whose father grandfathers and uncles lived through it claim.
    But they were there.

  300. Anon[114] • Disclaimer says:

    Someone posted about a New right of return law for Jews who claim a remote Spanish heritage. I just pointed out that Spain instituted such a law during WW2.

  301. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    But like a lot of Westerners, you’re duplicitous and a hypocrite.

    I am Indian from India, brown guy. You assume too much in your posts and assume wrong.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  302. Malla says:
    @Half-Jap

    No wonder Mao had an easy time by the end of the civil war.

    Mao also had the advantage that the Western oligarchs pulled the rug under Chiang Kai-Shek and supported Mao. Mao also benefited from the Chinese Nationalists and the Imperial Japanese forces fighting each other, while he built up his strength.

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  303. Malla says:
    @Logan

    Well Roosevelt were already clandestinely helping the British even though the American people at that point in time did not want any part in the War. But to understand, you have to check out the Fuhrer’s speech on his declaration of War on the United States of America. Unfortunately it has been scrubbed clean of youtube by the google commissars. Maybe Bitchute may have it. But I remember watching the speech and he sounded very reasonable.

  304. Malla says:
    @fnn

    Is there a picture of Pyongyang after the American bombing? I read there was not a single building standing.

    Wow thanks for the info. But we are not supposed to know anything negative about the allies. Allied bombings also killed scores of Frenchmen in Vichy France.

  305. Malla says:
    @Che Guava

    You are correct, and my tone was probably too scolding.

    No Offence taken. Thanks for your reply.

    The band nane is Seppuku Pistols, their earlier electro-punk work is no longer up

    Sorry I did not get it, you mean the artists behind the Kamakaze Song?

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @Che Guava
  306. Anonymous[136] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    I am Indian from India, brown guy

    That makes it even worse. You must be one of those that thank the Brits for civilizing India and pine for their return.

    • Replies: @Malla
  307. Anonymous[136] • Disclaimer says:
    @jeff stryker

    So why should we leave?

    The battle cry of migrants everywhere.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  308. Anonymous[136] • Disclaimer says:
    @Half-Jap

    FYI we fought a war of liberation, burning down colonies. While China was a mistake aggravated by stupid leaders, the goal was to break the stranglehold on resource-rich western colonies.

    I sympathize with some of this. I think Japan is often unfairly vilified by the hypocritical West. Japan was arguably defending itself and the region from Western aggression. But in doing that, unfortunately, Japan used that opportunity as a pretext for conquest.

    I support the “coprosperity sphere”. But not at the expense of erasing native cultures and sovereignty.

    In the history of modern Japan, I’m not sure if it ever really had much of a feeling of warm fraternity in regards to its neighbors. It always struck me as having a certain level of disdain for its own kind. Even today, you can sense something of that. And I’m not sure why.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Half-Jap
  309. Malla says:
    @Escher

    More on JB 355 as mentioned in the 3rd video

    FDR plans sneak attack before Pearl Harbor

  310. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    People have been conquering each other before European expansion. European rule improved the lives of millions around the world. Post Independent countries such as Indonesia, Bangladesh, India, Kenya have themselves acted imperial.

  311. peterAUS says:
    @Malla

    I am Indian. It is my culture.

    People have been conquering each other before European expansion. European rule improved the lives of millions around the world. Post Independent countries such as Indonesia, Bangladesh, India, Kenya have themselves acted imperial.

    Whoah………

    Compliments, really.

    Quite refreshing attitude on this site and life in general.

    Good luck, BTW.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Malla
  312. Anonymous[155] • Disclaimer says:
    @peterAUS

    Then you probably have no problem with migrants and the invasion of the West? It’s just conquest by other means, after all.

    • Replies: @Malla
  313. Anonymous[155] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    People have been conquering each other before European expansion. European rule improved the lives of millions around the world. Post Independent countries such as Indonesia, Bangladesh, India, Kenya have themselves acted imperial.

    Good British subject. You’ve got the royal talking points down to a tee. BARF.

    But carry on, quisling…

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  314. @Anonymous

    Hong Kong, not to mention Southeast Asia, would be far less developed if white men did not go there with their money. Philippines, without the GDP of white expats, would be Africa. Chinese-Filipinos might be billionaires, but bring nothing to the country but slave labor and methamphetamine labs.

    Since you are Northeast Asian, we can concentrate on FILTHY’S (Failed in London, Try Hong Kong). To the degree that Hong Kong is more desirous to Chinese than mainland China, it is because of aggregate white money and labor.

    And we won’t even get into offshoring, will we?

    Migrant refugees bring nothing but poverty and petty crime (and sometimes terrorism) to Europe.

    What whites bring to Asia is infrastructure, functional systems of law, investment and on and on.

    Also, the average Westerner in Asia is at least thirty when he arrives. He has money, skills, education and mature. He is not interested in rape or extremism.
    Can you see the difference?

    • LOL: tamo
    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Ajeoshi
    , @Anonymous
  315. @Malla

    MALLA

    I would say that what improved former British colonies was the fact that English law is so simple that a child can understand it. Its functional and efficient.

    Also, unlike the Spanish or Portuguese, the English are not romantics. Which means they did not intermarry with local women. They came, administered, and left.

    Of course some local groups do better. Brahmin, for example, became better off under English rule. As did Parsee. Muslims less so.

    • Replies: @Malla
  316. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Then you probably have no problem with migrants and the invasion of the West? It’s just conquest by other means, after all.

    The migrants did not conquer Western countries, they have no right of conquest. They were allowed in by traitorous Western government bent on race replacement. Did the migrants defeat the American, British, French, German, Swedish , Italian armies? I think not.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  317. Malla says:
    @jeff stryker

    Also, unlike the Spanish or Portuguese, the English are not romantics. Which means they did not intermarry with local women. They came, administered, and left.

    Very true. the British (and even the Dutch) kept a distance from the people around them. But about marriages, the British and other Europeans did marry Indian women before the Mutiny. Read the book ‘White Mughals’. Before the 1857 mutiny one third of European men in India including Brits had Indian wives. Indeed the book primarily deals with the marriage of the British East India Company Resident James Achilles Kirkpatrick at the court of the Nizam of Hyderabad with the Hyderabadi princess Khair un-Nissa.

    From Amazon
    “It is a remarkable story, involving secret assignations, court intrigue, harem politics, religious and family disputes. But such things were not unknown; from the early sixteenth century, when the Inquisition banned the Portuguese in Goa from wearing the dhoti, to the eve of the Indian mutiny, the ‘white Mughals’ who wore local dress and adopted Indian ways were a source of embarrassments to successive colonial administrations. William Dalrymple unearths such colourful figures as ‘Hindoo Stuart’, who travelled with his own team of Brahmins to maintain his temple of idols, and who spent many years trying to persuade the memsahibs of Calcutta to adopt the sari; and Sir David Ochterlony, Kirkpatrick’s counterpart in Delhi, who took all thirteen of his wives out for evening promenades, each on the back of their own elephant.”

    It was only after the Mutiny that the Brits started keeping an aloof attitude from Indians.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  318. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    But in doing that, unfortunately, Japan used that opportunity as a pretext for conquest.

    That is rubbish. Maybe that case can be made for Korea or Taiwan. But for the rest, the Japanese had no option.

    I suggest you check out the videos of post 272.

    Same with the Germans, WW2 started when Britain and France declared war on Germany not the other way around. If during the partition of the German and Austrian empire after WW1 the demarcations of borders on the ground would have been done more honestly and professionally, in other words, ethnic Germans were put within the borders of Germany or Austria, there would have been no need of German altercations with its neighbours.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  319. Malla says:
    @peterAUS

    Thanks bud, the truth is the truth.

  320. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    But carry on, quisling…

    Carry on speaking the harsh truths is what you mean. Thanks.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  321. Malla says:
    @jeff stryker

    If White people need to develop any part of the world by settling down, go to the Brown Black World. Like how Whites developed South Africa and Rhodesia. The East Asians are good on their own. They are the one non White group who can build first world societies on their own merit.

  322. Ajeoshi says:
    @jeff stryker

    Overall agree…partial exception is the horde of ESL teachers in developed (or rapidly developing) Asian nations.

    Those are the closest thing to a parasitical White immigrant group in Asia.

    They’re generally younger than 30, single unmarried (and unmarriable) male hornballs, plus a few nasty heavily tattoed highly feminist skanks, with little to no marketable skills.

    Invariably they try to infect their host country with their demented worldview, in the meantime significantly jacking up the local crime rate.

    They create their own little ghettos while at the same time agitating against imaginary racism from the locals. They contribute next to nothing to the local economy with their job being something inbetween a babysitter for spoiled Korean/Japanese/Taiwanese kids and a birthday party clown.

    PS

    Obviously I’m being (half) facetious here

    PPS

    How have you been Detroit man ?

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  323. Ajeoshi says:
    @jeff stryker

    I wouldn’t move back from Asia to any European $hithole if my son life depended on it (sorry kiddo) and specifically I’d rather jump aboard the first mission to colonize Mars before they get me to settle back in my native Shitaly.

    • Replies: @Malla
  324. @Logan

    The United States under President Roosevelt had steadily increased its support for Great Britain despite the strength of anti-war sentiment in the American public. Consider ( http://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily/wwii/undeclared-war-in-the-atlantic/ ):

    Between September 1939 and December 1941, the United States moved from neutral to active belligerent in an undeclared naval war against Nazi Germany. During those early years the British could well have lost the Battle of the Atlantic. The undeclared war was the difference that kept Britain in the war and gave the United States time to prepare for total war. . . . For Roosevelt, it was more than a policy. It was a conviction to halt an evil and a threat to civilization. As commander in chief of the U.S. armed forces, Roosevelt ordered the U.S. Navy from neutrality to undeclared war. . . .

    Roosevelt believed he alone could carry out his undeclared war policy. Running for reelection while carrying out the “short of war” policy required secrecy and deviousness. To carry it off, he and Hull both felt they would have to drop their policy of being frank with the American people.

    Roosevelt gave the British destroyers in exchange for military bases, Lend Lease aid, provided repairs to British ships in U.S. ports, and replaced British merchant vessels lost to German attacks. In August 1941, the U.S. began providing convoy protection to British ships, which “violated all technical definitions of neutrality”. In September 1941, scuffles between German subs and American ships led Roosevelt to issue a simple “shoot-on-sight” order against German vessels in the Atlantic. There was an undeclared and possibly unconstitutional naval war between the Germans and the Americans.

    The United States had an unremittingly hostile policy towards Germany, (quite understandably, in many respects) opposing the Third Reich’s hegemony in Europe, providing economic aid to enemies and outright shooting German ships in the Atlantic. All this was a major factor in Hitler’s own declaration of formal war. It was probably still a mistake. The declaration of war allowed Roosevelt to escalate what had been a minor naval conflict into massive bombing campaigns and then landings in North Africa and Europe within a few years. Could Roosevelt have secured a declaration of war from Congress if Hitler had not declared war? Unclear. Irving says that Hitler declared war on the assumption that the U.S. would become indefinitely busy fighting Japan. A foolish assumption indeed. The months of June-December 1941 mark Hitler’s descent into hubristic escalation from which he would never recover (many of his subordinates in the Wehrmacht and the foreign office tried to reel in his excesses after that, too little, too late, etc).

    • Replies: @Logan
  325. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Good British subject.

    I am not. I am a citizen of the Republic of India. My ancestors were subjects of the King Emperor/ Queen Empress or the British Monarchs who were our Emperors also. Since 1950 (when India became a Republic) we are not subjects of the British royal family anymore.
    But what I find interesting is that millions of non Whites migrated and even now migrate legally and illegally to Great Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zealand to become subjects of the British Royal Family again. Browns and blacks risk life and limb to cross the Mediterranean or the sea in between Indonesia and Australia to make this perilous journey to become subjects of the Windsors again. Are they missing something? Some spiritual yearning to be subjects of the Windsors again? Some Spiritual hole to be filled since the Windsor rule ended, something deep in their subconscious? I wonder. LOL. What would be Sigmund Fraud’s opinion on this? LOL

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
    , @Anonymous
    , @Alden
  326. Half-Jap says:
    @Malla

    Indeed, as you say.
    Thank you.

    • Replies: @Malla
  327. Half-Jap says:
    @Anonymous

    Aside from annexing Korea and gaining Taiwan, we were out to destroy colonialism. It’s a complicated story with Korea, but suffice to say they have thanked us by spiting us. A great case study in the power of compulsory education.

    • Replies: @Ajeoshi
  328. Half-Jap says:
    @peterAUS

    There are even more fascinating and disturbing stuff that I need some more education to validate or refute, such as this series, where otherwise the host’s work on predicting earthquakes in relation to the sun’s activity is superb:

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  329. Half-Jap says:
    @Malla

    lol..your parting questions are fascinating, which I haven’t thought of before. Thank you.

  330. Ajeoshi says:
    @Half-Jap

    Disclosure: I’ve been married to a S. Korea woman for 10 years and I’ve been living in S. Korea since 2015 (before I was for 3 years in HK)….said so sorry but neither side is exactly innocent when it comes to the sorry state of the diplomacy between the 2 countries.

    For a long time Koreans were simply jelous of Japan success and felt really insecure and angry being relegated to the role of poor cousin, not unlike Northern Africans vs the French. Quite frankly now it sems like the other way around with has-been Japan growingly hysterical and at times bordering on pathetic in their approach to Korea, whose success Japanese people cannot really seem to accept.

    For instance basically any kind of internet content making any positive remark about the ROK is getting increasingly buried under a deluge of poorly phrased comments from uyoku dantai types.

    Both sides look and act like 2 spoiled, not particularly bright daycare brats squarreling over petty obscure issues nobody with half a life cares about.

    Seriously the world is supposed to take seriously whatever beef you 2 have over Dokdo/Takeshima/whatever ? Or what country was more advanced during the Imjin wars ? or if Silla was or not a tributary of some Yamatoesque tribe in the late Pleistocene ?

    Both Korea and Japan are (and have never been) nothing more than puny footnotes in Chinese history, grow the eff up for Heavens sake.

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
    , @Half-Jap
    , @Anonymous
  331. Half-Jap says:
    @Ajeoshi

    1) That stupid island was seized by ROK. Most easily demonstrated.
    2) You take their media too seriously. I seldom see much hysteria here. Even Sankei is pretty chill except editorial.
    3) Koreans are emotional people, not us. They care not for treaties, history, or evidence. We’ll go to court any day over crap they’ve been screaming about.
    4) We invested much treasure and ability to build that damn country. A silly korean whose parents were pro-annexation even assasinated the anti-annexation political heavyweight Ito to get them to friggin annex them. Now that assassin’s a hero. Always warms my cynical heart.
    5) Then we even had to pay them to settle whatever imaginary damage they suffered that those SJWs of the day had their feefees hurt by being ‘forcibly’ brought to the 20th century. My position is that we should have left them alone under the rule of their amazingly progressive emperor with just one school to speak of and dirt roads. Fck Yeah! :roll eyes: 😛
    6) And then, I refer to #3, as even such settlement, in which funds were also intended for the people as compensation for having their dignity hurt, were all taken to invest in building up the econ, which ofc is a legitimate decision. But wtf beggar us for more, again?

    Such a successful troll.

    • Replies: @Ajeoshi
  332. Half-Jap says:
    @Ajeoshi

    And by the way, neither China nor Japan care for either Koreas, except as buffers.
    China and Japan have a good degree of mutual respect for their respective accomplishments and capacities, despite history. Thei kicked our ass, rebuilt, is strong now. Respect.

    Neither care for the Koreas, who everybody relevant knows build off appropriated Japanese assets. Even the laws and economic model was a copy until recently.

    Long term, China and Japan are natural allies, as the falsely accused and executed sinophile PM Hirota Kouki said. We’d even care less in that situation about the Koreas.

    Kouki’s grand foreign affairs policy was an alliance between China, Russia, and Japan. Nobody cares about the Koreas. They’ll always be followers of the predominant power of that age, just as they have always been.

    Unless, of course, they take agency over their fate, and take responsibility for their own forefathers deciding to join Japan and work with us for their own development. That generation had agency. The current Korea owes them much gratitude.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Ajeoshi
  333. Malla says:
    @Half-Jap

    Very true, check this out

    Red Ice Radio – Joshua Blakeney – Hour 1 – Japan Bites Back: Allied Demonization of the Empire of the Sun

    And also

    James Perloff on WW2

  334. @Ajeoshi

    Maybe English John will show up from Return of Kings to back us up. Anyhow, I believe there is a difference between hardworking quiet businessmen like you and I and some Africans and Gypsies who roam the streets of Milan or wherever you were destroying Western civilization.

    I’d compare the ESL teachers in Asia to Sicilian migrant workers in NYC in the fifties or sixties. They are there to do a job, some people think they are trashy but they mostly keep to themselves, they tend to make little money and so they live shabby lives but overall they are really just keeping themselves to themselves.

  335. Malla says:
    @Ajeoshi

    before they get me to settle back in my native Shitaly.

    What is wrong with Italy today?

    • Replies: @Ajeoshi
  336. Malla says:
    @Kali Yuga Management Specialist

    Savitri Devi and her conversion to Hinduism.

    She converted to Hinduism as she did not want anything to do with the Abrahamic faiths. With her experience with Jews in real life, she could not figure out how they were a ‘chosen people’.

  337. @Malla

    I’ve known many Anglo-Indians. They’re nothing special in India. When I first went to India in the late nineties I met a few old English soldiers in their seventies in Coloba in Mumbai. And I met their kids, who were mostly running the hotels they owned.

    Bengali women seem to like Goras more than other Desi females (I know this for an absolute fact) and there are more Anglo-Indians in Calcutta than anywhere else.

    Anglo-Indians don’t carry much prestige in India.

    • Replies: @Malla
  338. Logan says:
    @Guillaume Durocher

    All very good points.

    There have been several movies about the British and American intelligence cooperation prior to Pearl Harbor as well as FDR’s remarkable deceit of the American people.

    It’s possible I don’t remember it accurately, but my recollection is that one of these movies came out during the period when the Iran-Contra flap was in full swing and people were so upset about the Reagan administration being out of control that some were talking impeachment.

    What was funny was that the discussions at this same time were about how great it was that FDR conducted a completely undeclared and undercover war against Germany.

    By any standard, what FDR did was the greatest breach of constitutionality in American history.

    You can certainly argue, and I tend to agree, that he was right morally to do so, and it turned 0ut well for us that he did. But that doesn’t change the utter violation of the Constitution.

  339. @Malla

    One can understand her choice there, and she certainly produced some interesting writings afterwards.

    That being said I must draw the line at vegetarianism.

  340. @Malla

    MALLA

    Look at Sonia. I did not realize at first she was Italian (Italians are swarthy enough to pass for Kashmiri Brahmin). She converted and was quite influential in Indian politics during her time.

  341. peterAUS says:
    @Half-Jap

    I hear you.

    My interest in the topic and the related stuff is simple:
    If there have been advanced civilizations before this one we live in, well, there is a chance we’ll somehow survive what’s likely to happen, by ourselves, in a not so distant future.

    I do buy such civilizations existed before. I also believe at least one of them was destroyed by own means.

    And, of course, on a practical side: those guys must’ve known things we have no clue about and could REALLY help us now and in years to come. Improve the quality of life at least; at best prevent what’s likely going to happen.
    Something like that.

    In any case, digging out those things, literally, is fascinating stuff. Better than beer, barbecues and ball games. Or the latest fad.Well..hehe…for some of us, anyway.

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  342. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @jeff stryker

    Hong Kong, not to mention Southeast Asia, would be far less developed if white men did not go there with their money.

    The asinine, self-serving logic. It baffles that it’s still used as a defense against aggression, colonialism and slavery.

    It reminds me of damnable Zionists who defend occupation and apartheid based on some cockamamie excuse or another long debunked.

    Maybe you’d be better off today had Epstein assaulted your mother for a few shekels?

    Or maybe you welcome the rape of your wife and daughter, the theft of home and many other things that degrade your dignity in exchange for investment and promise of a life going forward of enslaved luxury?

    Migrant refugees bring nothing but poverty and petty crime (and sometimes terrorism) to Europe.

    And Western colonizers/invaders initially brought death, disease and destruction. Then the invaders built up their colonies (many years later) for their benefit.

    Maybe in 50 years, those whom you call “refugees” will create more wealth? Who’s to say what the future holds?

    Now, if these migrants were rich Mainland Chinese, would that make it better? Do you want to be replaced by wealthy Chinese because they presumably bring capital and investments to your communities?

    If the fabled people of “Wakanda” could invade/colonize your white country, would that be alright? They promise to bring great technology and development. Do you approve? But all your children will be mulattos. Western culture will die. Wakanda forever!

    What whites bring to Asia is infrastructure, functional systems of law, investment and on and on.

    Whites brought war. Death. Humiliation. Oppression. Disgrace. Impediment to organic development. Injury to sovereignty. And the violation of native peoples’ right to self determination.

    Do you even hear what you say? Do whites believe in sovereignty? Or is that a right reserved only for themselves? Who are you to “bring” anything to anyone without invitation?

    It seems that whites still haven’t learned a thing. You yowl about “white rights” and “replacement”, but when it’s the other way around, you trot out these execrable colonial tropes.

    Can you see the difference?

    What I see is great duplicity. The lack of self awareness boggles the brain. Is universal humanity impossible with you, I wonder?

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @jeff stryker
  343. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    they have no right of conquest.

    According to your set of ethics, says who?

    Did the migrants defeat the American, British, French, German, Swedish , Italian armies? I think not.

    Is it your intent to be goofy? There are no rules to conquest.

    How do you think Tel Aviv wags the dog?

    • Replies: @Malla
  344. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    That is rubbish. Maybe that case can be made for Korea or Taiwan. But for the rest, the Japanese had no option.

    Then on China, Korea and Taiwan, you agree. As I said, the West gave Japan motive, but Japan used that opportunity to do harm to its neighbors.

    I suggest you check out the videos of post 272.

    And what? What am I supposed to take away from it? That Japan ONLY DID GOOD?

    Do you inhabit a cartoon world? Japan brought both development to its colonies and MISERY. On net, Japan did more harm than good.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  345. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Carry on speaking the harsh truths is what you mean. Thanks.

    Servitude is your personal truth. To become chattel is your existential right.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  346. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    I am a citizen of the Republic of India.

    What counts is loyalty to place and people. And you don’t have that.

    Are they missing something? Some spiritual yearning to be subjects of the Windsors again? Some Spiritual hole to be filled since the Windsor rule ended, something deep in their subconscious? I wonder. LOL

    Is that what you see in the sturm und drang? You’re amazingly clueless.

    • Replies: @Malla
  347. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ajeoshi

    Both Korea and Japan are (and have never been) nothing more than puny footnotes in Chinese history, grow the eff up for Heavens sake.

    After 10 years, this is your grand summation? Typical. Smug. Like some pompous Western interloper slumming overseas.

    Sadly, your dismissive feelings towards Korea will rub off on your hapless children who will grow up feeling that their mother’s homeland was never more than a “puny footnote” in the history books of countries that REALLY MATTERED, and somehow, what others think about you is supposed to REALLY MATTER.

    • Replies: @Ajeoshi
  348. Anonymous[311] • Disclaimer says:
    @Half-Jap

    3) Koreans are emotional people, not us. They care not for treaties, history, or evidence. We’ll go to court any day over crap they’ve been screaming about.
    4) We invested much treasure and ability to build that damn country.

    I wonder if it’s your Japanese or white side speaking? Conceit drips.

    Long term, China and Japan are natural allies, as the falsely accused and executed sinophile PM Hirota Kouki said. We’d even care less in that situation about the Koreas.
    Kouki’s grand foreign affairs policy was an alliance between China, Russia, and Japan. Nobody cares about the Koreas. They’ll always be followers of the predominant power of that age, just as they have always been.

    From whence does so much (unwarranted) arrogance come? And the implicit disdain for Korea is so (miserably) loud and clear. Very odious.

    I disagree with you 1000%. But it’s because of “Japanese” like you (not that you really are) that rapprochement is difficult in E. Asia.

    You have little self-awareness. Your words are like the self-rationalizing barks of a sociopath. It’s everyone’s fault but yours. YOU did NOTHING wrong. Your intent was only for the good.

    take responsibility for their own forefathers deciding to join Japan

    So you’re also sh## deep in right-wing Japanese propaganda.

    No remorse. No regret. Just vestiges of unremitting haughtiness.

    • Replies: @Malla
  349. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Servitude is your personal truth. To become chattel is your existential right.

    Servitude?
    All anti colonialism movements were funded by big Zionist bankers, who now want to make the world into a big slave estate. You are a slave, slave of brainwashing.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  350. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Whites brought war. Death. Humiliation. Oppression.

    What rubbish, Whites rescued people from servitude from their own parasitic elites.

    Guess what check out Jyoti Rao Phule
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyotirao_Phule

    Jyotirao Govindrao Phule[a] (11 April 1827 – 28 November 1890) was an Indian social activist, a thinker, anti-caste social reformer and writer from Maharashtra.[2][3]

    His work extended to many fields including eradication of untouchability and the caste system, women’s emancipation and the reform of Hindu family life. On September 1873, Phule, along with his followers, formed the Satyashodhak Samaj (Society of Seekers of Truth) to attain equal rights for people from lower castes. Phule is regarded as an important figure of the social reform movement in Maharashtra He and his wife, Savitribai Phule, were pioneers of women’s education in India.

    http://egyankosh.ac.in/bitstream/123456789/20647/1/Unit-12.pdf

    [MORE]

    British rule had brought to an end the tyranny and chaos of the regime of the last Peshwa in Maharashtra. The colonial rulers had not only established law and order but also the principle of equality before law. The earlier regime of Brahmin Peshwas had imposed strict limitations on education, occupation arid living standards of the lower castes and women. The new rulers opened opportunities in education and mobility in occupation for the members of all castes. Missionary schools and government colleges were ready to admit any student irrespective of caste origins. New ideas of equality and liberty could reach the moderately educated sections of the lower caste. Phule was probably the best product of this process. High caste reformers and leaders also had welcomed colonial rule. It is not surprising that Phule who was concerned with the slavery of the lower castes also favoured British Rule He hoped that the new government which believes in equality between man and man would emancipate lower castes, from the domination of the Brahmins.
    British rule opened up new employment opportunities in the administration. The political power at local level was also being given to the Indians. Phule who had worked as a member of the Poona Municipality could visualise how lower castes wound be able to acquire power at local level during the period of British rule and also enter the colonial bureaucracy. He believed in Colonialism, Cast Order and the Tribal Societies the benevolent attitude of the British rulers towards the lower castes and therefore asked for a number of things from them. He was not sure how long the British rule would continue. Therefore, he wanted lower castes to exploit the
    opportunity and get rid of the tyranny of Brahmins. Brahmin rulers used to collect huge wealth out of taxes levied on poor lower castes population, but never used to spend even a paisa (cent/penny) for their welfare. On the contrary, the new regime was showing the signs of doing good things for the deprived people.
    Phule assured the colonial rulers that if the Shudras were made happy and contented, they need not worry about the loyalty of the subjects. He wanted the British government to abolish Brahmin Kulkarni’s position, and a post of village headman (Patil) filled on the basis of merit. In fact, Phule would have liked the British government to put an end to the balutedary system which was connected with caste specific occupations in the villages. He asked the government to make laws prohibiting customs and practices which gave subordinate status to women and untouchables. Phule wanted Brahmin bureaucracy to be replaced by non-Brahmin bureaucracy. But if the non-Brahmins were not available, the government should appoint, he thought, the British men to these posts. He believed that the British officers would take impartial view and were likely to side with lower castes.
    He knew that education had not yet percolated to the lower castes. The masses had not yet become politically conscious. The high caste elites were claiming that they were the true representatives of the people and therefore demanding political rights. This process, Phule thought, would reestablish the political supremacy of the high castes. Phule advised his followers from the lower castes not to participate the-movement for political rights. He argued that the Indian National Congress or other political associations were not national in the true sense of the term because they represented only high castes. Phule warned his followers against the selfish and cunning motives of the Brahmins in forming these associations and advised them to keep themselves away from such associations. In his Satya Shodhak Samaj, he had made it a rule not to discuss politics. In fact, we find that he had expressed more than once a complete and total loyalty towards the new government. He firmly believed that the almighty God had dethroned the tyrannical rulers and had established in their place a just, enlightened and peaceful British rule for the welfare of the masses.

  351. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    According to your set of ethics, says who?

    No it is according to common sense, which you seem to lack.

    s it your intent to be goofy? There are no rules to conquest.

    You really lack common sense and logic. The immigrants are there because the governments of the West ALLOWED them to be THERE.

  352. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    What counts is loyalty to place and people. And you don’t have that.

    I rather be loyal to the Truth. Indian Nationalism essentially entails a vicious hatred towards China for the 1962 invasion of India. Indian Nationalism entails a vicious genocidal hatred towards Pakistan. Indian Nationalism entails believing in the superiority of the Indian civilization and the Indian race over all other. No thank you, I would take the truth any day.

  353. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    As I said, the West gave Japan motive, but Japan used that opportunity to do harm to its neighbors.

    The West does not need to give motive to anybody, you stupid punk. Most Koreans were slaves to their elite class and lived like slaves, it was Japanese rule which gave them freedom. The Han in Taiwan are colonialists and should not have been there, thanks to them the native Taiwanese have become a minority in their own land. Why do you not talk about that?

    Are you telling me before the West expanded people all lived in peace and nobody conquered nobody. Non Western rulers were often far more cruel and vicious to the conquered.

    Check out these videos by Henry Louis Gate Junior

    African kingdoms were major part in slavery. they did not stop slavery, Europeans did.
    The African soldier of the past proudly says they are a military people who sold slaves.
    at 06:52 African kings played a big role in the slave trade, many African kingdoms depended on slavery. Before Europeans landed in Africa, slavery was already in the system, it were slaves who worked for African kings.
    at 22:38 to 23:04 Ashanti made a lot of money on slavery
    at 30:04 Dahomey Kingdom was so warlike that other Africans had to make a venice like village in a lake to escape.
    at 31:30 the Dahohomey and neighbouring Kingdoms traded in slaves for ammunition. Dahomey themselves 1 million as slaves.
    the Dahomey even sacrificed their enemies, yes human sacrifice.
    At 33:20, the Dahomey were warlike, wars every year. Enemies were beheaded. Conquest and power and being greedy of power was considered a good thing for the King to have in Dahomey culture.
    At 34:50 Human sacrifice of enemy kings
    At 37:38 How much slavery was in the Dahomey kingdom
    At 45:15 a black guy of Benin said that the people sold into slavery were lucky or they would have been sacrificed, so slavery saved the lives of the blacks sold as slaves.

    It were European colonial Empires which banned slavery in Africa.

  354. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Looting of wealth by British, that is an unjust opinion. The Mughals were much worse rulers overall and very good extractors of tax. Akbar made moderate tax demands not because he wanted to improve the lot of the peasants but because it is more effective in improving revenue. The rate of tax of the Mughals was 20% which was much higher than that of the British. The Hindu Marathas had a tax rate of 25% (chouth or 1/4th). There was no income tax in British India

    Akbar massacred a huge number ( maybe 100,000 men) under Vikramaditya Hemu in the second battle of Panipat – and his later persona was a carefully crafted political stance.

    And mind you, in his massacres, both Hindus and muslims perished.

    Every muslim ruler carried out massacres and rapes – assuming 100,000 people per massacre and 10 massacres of such magnitude, that is a million men massacred under muslim rule in directly enumerated wars. Adding the forced conversions, looting and destruction of temples – India has faced untold savagery and looting.

    To say Afghan and Uzbek rulers were better rulers than British is ludicrous. The British were far far better rulers and in fact delivered us from the hell of Muslim rule – and mind you, in every massacre after 1300 AD or so, both Hindus and Muslims soldiers perished.

  355. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Do you inhabit a cartoon world? Japan brought both development to its colonies and MISERY.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-taiwan-china-idUSKCN0SJ03Y20151025

    Taiwan President Ma Ying-jeou said on Sunday it was important to remember the good things Japan did for the island while not forgetting the bad, as he marked 70 years since Japan gave up control of Taiwan at the end of World War Two.

    …snip…..

    Unlike in China or Korea, many Taiwanese have a broadly more positive view of Japan than people in China or Korea, saying that Japan’s rule brought progress to an undeveloped, largely agricultural island.

    Speaking in Taipei to mark what Taiwan calls Retrocession Day, Ma said it was true Japan’s invasion of China killed millions and issues like the “comfort women”, as those forced to work in Japan’s wartime military brothels are euphemistically known in Japan, still caused deep pain today.

    “But Japanese colonial rule of Taiwan also bought construction, like the Chianan Irrigation system and Wusanto Reservoir,” Ma said, referring to two projects Japan oversaw.

    “This benefited farmers in Taiwan, and we should naturally affirm it,” added Ma, a member of the same Nationalist Party that fled to Taiwan in 1949.

    Also check this out. Japanese rule over Korea was moderate.
    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2015/06/29/commentary/japan-commentary/japans-colonial-rule-of-korea-was-moderate/

  356. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Then on China, Korea and Taiwan, you agree.

    Not on China. The Chinese themselves invited Japanese invasion with their own action. Again, check out those videos I posted. Korea was a slave state to China where most Koreans were slaves to their elite Confucian parasitic Yanban class.

  357. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Whites brought war. Death. Humiliation. Oppression.

    And what about the brutal Chinese rule over Tibet and Xinjiang? About Indian brutal rule over Kashmir, North East India? About brutal Bangladeshi rule over the Chittging Hill Tracts? Over brutal Indonesian rule over Irian Jaya?
    Who waste your time here? Become an activist for he independence of these peoples?

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  358. @Anonymous

    311

    There is a difference between retirees in Southeast Asia and businessmen or English teachers in China or Korean married to local women and the Palestinian horrors or the Belgian Congo.

    To begin with, white expats in Asia are under the laws and governance of Asian countries. If they break the law or doing anything illegal, they are jailed or deported. You have no special privileges as a white man living in China-actually, you are something of a second class citizen.

    The number of whites in Asia-all on visas with no permanent right to reside and certainly no access to government programs (Which don’t exist in Southeast Asia anyhow)-is minimal and has no effect on Asian countries besides expanding the GDP and public treasury. Countries in Southeast Asia would sink into dire straits.

    This is not colonialism. A white man living in Hong Kong or Seoul has no colonial privileges. That is nonsense.

    We can argue about colonialism and its crimes and I would not debate it, but these things have nothing to do with white men living in Asia today. Zero. I live in Asia and we get no special privileges, I assure. The few whites in Southeast Asia who DO GET SPECIAL PRIVILEGES are married to Chinese-Filipinos or Chinese-Indonesians.

    • Replies: @Ajeoshi
    , @Anonymous
  359. @Malla

    MALLA

    Kashmir is debatable, as Pakistanis have constantly initiated that conflict. Ironically, the first leaders of the Indian Republic were all Kashmir Pandits like Nehru (Who are so white that I had to be told that Sonia was Italian; I simply assumed she was a Pandit as well) and these people have all been driven out of India.

    The partition can be blamed on Britain, to some degree. The worst crime the Brits committed in India was on the way out, like some unwanted party guest who refuses to leave. Whereas Portuguese-all male and always doing the Latin lover number-kind of blended into the population of Goa until by the time that part of India became independent in 1967 there were no longer whites there anyhow. Unlike England, nobody in Goa was in a mad scramble to immigrate to Portugal (Or is to this day although Goans can do so easily).

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  360. Malla says:
    @jeff stryker

    The partition can be blamed on Britain, to some degree. The worst crime the Brits committed in India was on the way out, like some unwanted party guest who refuses to leave.

    Jeff I have already proven to you conclusively in another page that the Brits had nothing to do with the partition of India.

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/the-dalai-lama-white-europe-and-the-third-worlds-drift-from-pride-to-parasitism/#comment-2531785

    https://www.unz.com/jderbyshire/the-dalai-lama-white-europe-and-the-third-worlds-drift-from-pride-to-parasitism/#comment-2531810

    I would say it were the British who were holding the subcontinent together. After they went all kind of problems were let loose.

  361. Malla says:
    @jeff stryker

    Kashmir is debatable, as Pakistanis have constantly initiated that conflict.

    30% of British India were princely States where the British did not have direct rule, the Kings (Hindus, muslims, Buddhists etc) were semi independent and swore allegiance to the King Emperor of India (the British monarch was also Emperor of India). many of these states had their own currency, railways etc….
    During the independence of India, the British government gave the Princely states the option of joining India, joining Pakistan or remaining Independent. Very fair. But both India and Pakistan started arm twisting the various princely states to join their team. There was a huge princely state called Osmania in South India, they even had their own railways. Osmania/Hyderabad was ruled by the Nizams. The population was majority Hindu but the rulers were Muslim. According to the rights given by the British government, the Nizam was free to choose as they wish. The Nizam chose Pakistan but against the rules agreed by all parties, India invaded Hyderabad state and absorbed it in India. The same thing happened with Junnagad in Gujrat. A Muslim ruler of a majority Hindu state chose Pakistan and the Indian army moved in (against their lawfull right) and absorbed Junnagad.
    Well Kashmir was the exact opposite case, a Hindu King of a Muslim majority state decided to join India. And hence the Pakistanis said well Indian illegally conquered Hyderabad and Junnagad, we have the right to Kashmir. That is when they sent in irregulars into Kashmir. Why irregulars and not the Pakistani Army. The British elite were on the side of India. The Royal Indian Army or the British Indian Army was to be divided in between Indian Army and Pakistan Army. The Brits smartly called back the Hindu forces back from the corners of the Empire before the Muslim divisions, thus during this period, India had command of an Army and Pakistanis not so much as the Muslim divisions of the British Indian Army was still stationed at the various corners of the British Empire (Middle East, Africa). Since the Hindu and Sikh regiments had already come back, India had a much more effective army than Pakistan at this crucial moment.
    Besides India has refused to hold a plebiscite as mandated by the UN in Kashmir as they know that most Kashmiris would either chose independence or unity with Pakistan.

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  362. Ajeoshi says:
    @Anonymous

    Don’t get me wrong i like Korea, it’s a fun, hyper-kinetic place with in my view much higher standards of living than most Asia (Japan included).

    But what you expect me to say ? You think local contributions to East Asia civilization match China ? Sorry at my ripe age i do not entertain delusions.

    I mean if we move to Europe and we focus on, say, the Be-Ne-Lux area all that comes to my mind is that they have run their economies commpetently since the 17th century, they painted some pretty things and produced some interesting thinkers but pillars of Western civilization they are not.

    PS

    Me and wife have no kids, i have a son from my first marriage. Neither of us was interested in raising a half-breed.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  363. Ajeoshi says:
    @jeff stryker

    This is not colonialism. A white man living in Hong Kong or Seoul has no colonial privileges. That is nonsense.

    Amen to that, we are more or less tolerated and appreciated guests here with little or no say in the internal affairs (rightly so !) of Asian countries.

    By the way I didn’t want to put down ESL teachers per se, I’m just trying to discourage young people from following that path, more often than not a 10-lane highway to financial and spiritual ruin.

  364. Ajeoshi says:
    @Malla

    If a country where:

    – infrastructure , never stellar to begin with, is rotting to the point of having bridges collapsing out of the blue killing dozens of people

    – most of the housing stock is made of ugly, spartan small apartment blocks with zero frills and poor maintenance

    – you’re getting laughably underpaid but taxed to death to the point that median salaries after taxes barely hover above Czech Republic

    – the under 40 generation is poorer than their Thai counterparts

    – in large sections of the nation, including the capital city, garbage is barely collected

    – people have a questionable sense of hygiene: experiencing an Italian summer (thanks also to the scant presence of air conditioning) trust me can be quite the sensorial assault

    – most people , even right-wingers, are basically social justice warriors of the chicano type

    – most of the women look like Sephardim Jewesses but with the pleasant personality of a Canadian lesbian social worker

    – people are always either pissed off or sad or whining about something

    ….is your thing, please be my guest

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Anon
  365. Ajeoshi says:
    @Half-Jap

    Thanks for succesfully proving my point with such an emotional response, quelle surprise from a specimen of such a level-headed, rational 民族

    Let me adress all your points:

    1: no idea who’s the legitimate owner of the guano islet and I DO NOT CARE, i find the whole issue utterly ridiculous. I’m Italian, Croats at the end of world war 2 seized Dalmatia whose coast has always been historically Venetian-speaking hence Italiana. Guess what ? Most eyetees do not give a flying crapola, they are too busy trying to eke out a meager living.

    Also we do understand one fundamental concept of human interactions since the Paleolithic: lost wars have consequences, you lost a war, deal with it. Ditto for the ears-screeching constant Korean griping about the colonial era: you lost a war, get over it.

    2: No I do not take Korean media seriously, i tend to not trust much of anything reported by major conglomerates, let alone when the words Asian and media are in the same sentence. Said so, I’m sorry i check Jap outlets from time to time: they’re as hysterical and ridiculous as the Hankyoreh, the comments section actually being generally vastly deeper into spergie territory.

    For being such an important nation with no time for puny issues you guys, judging from your presence in every ROK-related content (even among the commentariat of BTS videos FFS !!!) seem pretty obsessed, I mean there have been rallies protesting the deluge of k-drama in your tv: Jesus Almighty Lord nationalism is supposed to be a serious thing not another piece of clown world.

    3: Koreans are emotional as they’re basically semi-Manchu half-Mongol raging alcoholic troglodytes, you guys are not much better, barbaric drinking habits included. Due to the stricter and better mannered nature of Japanese society your irrationality tend to come more under the guise of an annoying spiteful passive aggressive attitude than the overt hooliganism common in the peninsula. Still on either side you find common traits: angst, scores of people with gigantic chips on their shoulders, historical self-aggrandizement and complete lack of rational thinking plus lots of impoverished elders living in squalor…basically same crap, slightly diffrent flavours.

    4-5-6 are more or less the same point: don’t know what to tell you, next time elect politicians who manage your money more wisely or additionally try to sue Samsung for some royalties.

    My position is that we should have left them alone under the rule of their amazingly progressive emperor with just one school to speak of and dirt roads.

    This though deserves an additional comment : too bad a certain Matthew Perry didn’t live long enough to share similar feelings. Be grateful your shogunate was wise enough to bow their collective head and go with the flow, otherwise you would still be known as a semi-Austronesian nation of 倭寇 more or less stuck in the iron age and run by a glorified mafia cartel (the samurai class).

  366. Ajeoshi says:
    @Half-Jap

    I do not mean to sound excessively aggressive but this is utterly laughable. If you think Japan belongs as an equal partner to China in some Euroasian empire fantasy you’re stepping into delusional territory.

    I do not claim to be an expert on anything Chinese but one thing i did get about them after working in the Greater China sphere for many years: they’re not interested in giving anybody, let alone Japan, respect, friendship (I doubt the concept exist in their language) and an equal stake in any of their ventures.

    The chingchongs have very little use for either friends or allies, they just want servants, pardon tributaries.

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  367. Half-Jap says:
    @peterAUS

    I believe you are referring to the ndian Vedec texts. That was also a touchstone for me.
    Our quarrels seem so small and petty in relation to what we should study and prepare for in the event of an annihilating cataclysm, which seems to have happened.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  368. Half-Jap says:
    @Ajeoshi

    I agree, and thanks; I suppose I should preface my statements earlier by stating that China is about power; some here in power understand that, and it’s easily felt when mingling with the chinese elites. But sadly, Korea is rather lower in the scale, as has been for ages, despite the proven potential.
    Japan is such a shock to the middle kingdom precisely because of how we were and still are. The tension, I suspect, is source of respect. Not out of kindness or whatever.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  369. Half-Jap says:
    @Ajeoshi

    We are dealing with being the loser in a major war. So stop pretending that you have the upper hand, the virtue, or wisdom to dictate to us your righteousness. Japan had to deal with too many Korean and Taiwanese men wanting to help our war efforts back then; bet you never heard of that one. Japan’s policy was that they were equals to us and deserved equal treatment, even if the proles then were discriminatory. We seriously wanted them to be just like us. How can one despite those that one believes are worthy to be as great as us? We are all more or less an estranged family.

    Maybe from your perspective Jap media are hysterical, but that’s just you.
    Koreans and Chinese are now crazier in boozing; Japan is workng to tone it down. But, you sidestep the point I made, which is that emotional arguments are inferior to those based upon evidence, and evidence can be disputed. Nanking, comform women, whatever. Keep screaming. Not an argument, and not a basis for any reconciliation.

    Glad ROK doesn’t want to abide by the treaty; if only we had the balls to go all out and ask them to pay us for all that investment and blood we paid there, plus actual and punitive damages for their false accusations based upon a creative jap journalist.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @Ajeoshi
  370. Half-Jap says:
    @Ajeoshi

    I should also mention that I have nothing against the Koreas and feel quite happy that NORK may finally return to normal relations. I just want us to sort out the facts instead of emotional posturing or reasoning. Oh, I am confident in winning factually, hence also my stance. That’ll be the day…

    • Replies: @Ajeoshi
  371. Half-Jap says:
    @Malla

    Indeed, thank you. My high school bengali teacher had much to teach, and things are not so simple in passing around blame or ownership.

    • Replies: @Malla
  372. @Ajeoshi

    AJEOSHI

    Aren’t the Japanese originally descended from Koreans who intermixed/exterminated the earlier Ainu who are some sort of Russian offshoot?

    • Replies: @Alden
  373. @Half-Jap

    HALF-JAP

    Koreans were still seeking employment opportunities in Japan into the early nineties. It was not until the economic crash that this ceased.

  374. peterAUS says:
    @Half-Jap

    I believe you are referring to the ndian Vedec texts. That was also a touchstone for me

    .
    Much less spiritual/intellectual material I am afraid. Started with Daniken. From then on multiple sources.

    As for

    Our quarrels seem so small and petty in relation to what we should study and prepare for in the event of an annihilating cataclysm, which seems to have happened.

    Well, yes and no.
    Probabilities and proximities.

    I still believe that the closest threat which negatively affects my life is “progtards”.

    Then some virus escaping certain governments’ facility.
    Then M.A.D.

    After all of the above is the meteorite of Doom.

    Etc.

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  375. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    You are a slimy rat probably too far gone to be repaired. You are an embarrassment to decency and an affront to indigenous peoples everywhere who have fought and died to achieve independence, past and present. For India’s sake, I hope you’re not Indian, just an autistic goon pretending to be one.

    • Replies: @Malla
  376. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @jeff stryker

    This is not colonialism. A white man living in Hong Kong or Seoul has no colonial privileges. That is nonsense.

    I wasn’t speaking to expats living it up in the East. I was speaking to Western colonialism/imperialism and the beneficence bestowed on primitive natives by whites without whom they would surely be lost forever in the sticky goo of their indigenous filth.

    We can argue about colonialism and its crimes and I would not debate it

    Then we have no disagreement.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  377. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ajeoshi

    But what you expect me to say ? You think local contributions to East Asia civilization match China ? Sorry at my ripe age i do not entertain delusions.

    No, but Korea held an important seat among the cultures of E. Asia. And it was one of its most advanced, 2nd only to China.

    But the comparison itself is nonsensical. China is a seminal civilization, the oldest continuous, and arguably the most advanced before the modern era.

    China is not even really a country, but a “civilizational culture”. It is a fount from which you draw from and contribute to.

    Before the 18th century, who even comes close besides other ancients like Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece and Rome?

    Why don’t you visit a museum in Korea. Learn some history. Pick up a book. Maybe you’ll learn Korea wasn’t always the backward, sh##y little country you grew up hearing about in the mid 20th century.

    I mean if we move to Europe and we focus on, say, the Be-Ne-Lux area all that comes to my mind is that they have run their economies commpetently since the 17th century, they painted some pretty things and produced some interesting thinkers but pillars of Western civilization they are not.

    The comparison isn’t quite right. Europe is a continent of many competing small states. In E. Asia, China is a continent. At times, it was ruled by native Hans. At other times, sinicized invaders.

    China is said to be a continuous civilization spanning 5000 years. But its ruling elites were not continuously native “Chinese”.

    Korea isn’t “Be-Ne-Lux”. Korea is also ancient. It’s arguably the 2nd oldest, continuous civilization in the world. It’s not a made-up country in the past 200 years. There were times when it was great. Times when it was not. Why don’t you educate yourself, foreign interloper.

    Neither of us was interested in raising a half-breed.

    Good for you. Maybe the half-breeding will be delegated to your snotty son who will inject further “high culture” to native troglodytes.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Ajeoshi
  378. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ajeoshi

    Guess what ? Most eyetees do not give a flying crapola, they are too busy trying to eke out a meager living.

    Because “Italy” did not become a unified “country”, until what, a couple hundred years ago? The comparisons are nonsense.

    In E. Asia, the borders have been pretty much where they have been for thousands of years. For Japan to violate these established borders and territories is perceived as a great affront.

    Also we do understand one fundamental concept of human interactions since the Paleolithic: lost wars have consequences, you lost a war, deal with it. Ditto for the ears-screeching constant Korean griping about the colonial era: you lost a war, get over it.

    Is that what you tell the Palestinians? You lost, accept your occupation/oppression?

    Korea is trying to deal with it… but you Americanos keep getting in the way.

    How can the colonial era be forgotten when Korea still lives in the shadow of that era, WWII and the Korean War? They’re reminded of it everyday: The Koreas are still divided. 30K American troops remain in SKorea. SKorea is essentially a US military base.

    Forget? How, when the past is the present?

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @Ajeoshi
  379. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
    @Half-Jap

    But sadly, Korea is rather lower in the scale, as has been for ages, despite the proven potential.

    Ah yes… and whence this decline? Have you any clue the devastation wrought from the Hideyoshi warmongering for greater E. Asia? It not only destroyed Korea in the 17th century but resulted in the end of the Ming and the beginning of another drawn out conflict with the Manchus.

    But as an island country, what do you care, right? Nothing to see here. Just sail home and rebuild Nippon.

    Japan is such a shock to the middle kingdom precisely because of how we were and still are. The tension, I suspect, is source of respect. Not out of kindness or whatever.

    For a half-Jap, you seem to enjoy taking full credit for whatever the Japanese may or may not have done.

  380. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Yawn…..
    You are a little childish brainwashed prick who does not understand how the World works. I thought this place was for grown ups.

  381. Malla says:
    @Half-Jap

    Welcome bud. Yes after independence we were brainwashed by the state.

  382. Malla says:
    @Ajeoshi

    Woaw. That is shocking. For a European Country.

    most people , even right-wingers, are basically social justice warriors of the chicano type

    What about Lega Nord and Matteo Salvini?

    • Replies: @Ajeoshi
  383. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    China is a seminal civilization, the oldest continuous, and arguably the most advanced before the modern era.

    China is not even really a country, but a “civilizational culture”. It is a fount from which you draw from and contribute to.

    Stop blabbering your bullshit. Give freedom to Tibet and the Uyghurs before you talk about the rights of indigenous. Give freedom to inner Mongolia and Manchuria and remove the Han colonists from there. Remove the Han colonists from Taiwan and give the land back to the indigenous Taiwanese.

    Before the 18th century, who even comes close besides other ancients like Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece and Rome?

    Why forget India? Chinese scholars would come to India to learn. Indian scholars had no interest in Chinese philosophy .

  384. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    rom whence does so much (unwarranted) arrogance come? And the implicit disdain for Korea is so (miserably) loud and clear. Very odious.

    I disagree with you 1000%. But it’s because of “Japanese” like you (not that you really are) that rapprochement is difficult in E. Asia.

    “The New Korea” (1926) by Alleyne Ireland
    The state of 19th century Korea (Joseon Dynasty 조선왕조 李氏朝鮮) was very similar to that of present day North Korea. The majority of the population were starving and were enslaved by a small number of corrupt bureaucrats called Yangban (양반 両班) who were supported by Qing Dynasty China. (Just like Kim Jong-un and his henchmen rule North Korea with aid from China today) When Japan defeated China in Sino-Japanese war (1894-95), Yangban lost their backing.
    A KOREAN professor of Kaya University in South Korea, who speaks out about the Truth of Japan’s annexation of the Korean Peninsula. He was born in Korea 1923 during the Japanese rule, so he knows Korea during the Japanese rule.

    Also The Glorious Japanese developed Manchuria (Manchukuo) with heavy industries and created an area of stability while China was unstable politically. The Soviets looted these Japanese Industries and gave them the Chinese Communists which helped the Communists.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Anonymous
  385. @Anonymous

    It is South Koreans and not Americans or Italians who are disliked in Southeast Asia. The average Filipino is more upset with Japanese war crimes in Philippines than Spanish colonial rule.

    • Replies: @Ajeoshi
  386. @Anonymous

    312

    When Koreans like you say “Yankee Go Home” I agree. Americans waste a great deal of money on the DMZ.

    You can join North Korea and eat tree bark like their people have to do for all I care.

    • Replies: @Ajeoshi
    , @Anonymous
  387. Ajeoshi says:
    @Half-Jap

    I hope reunification will happen no earlier than 30-40 years, imho right now it would be a major disaster for East Asia. First of all the North is too poor and unproductive, it would be at serious risk of turning into the equivalent of an Asian Southern Italy: a hopeless perennial welfare recipient.

    Secondly the NORKS have gone nuclear and there’s no way they would let go of something even the ROK notoriously ardently coveted for a long time.

    A unified Korea with nukes would probably trigger an additional arms race in East Asia, with Japan and possibly even Australia and Vietnam seeking the same kind of weapons.

    There’s a good chance then a unified Korea would turn into an economically bankrupt, nuclearly armed semi-pariah state: not a recipe for stability in an already volatile region.

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  388. Ajeoshi says:
    @jeff stryker

    Yes the money the US tax payer waste on the ROK is an absolute obscenity. The country has a 1.7 trillion dollar economy, first world standards of living (except for the elders), a mandatory draft system, one of the largest military budgets in the world and an excellent weapons industry.

    They can secure their own borders without shaking down America

  389. Ajeoshi says:
    @jeff stryker

    Again, agreed. The behaviour of North East Asian tourists in South East Asian countries, of which Koreans in the Philippines are a prime example, is an absolute disgrace.

    Arrogance and violence toward the locals, pedophilia, abuse of mail-order brides, economic exploitation, crass in-your-face racism: you name it, they do it…on a massive scale.

    Over the last 2 decades the Japs have become less visible due to the crashing of the bubble economy, Koreans in the meantime have ascended to the throne for the most lurid tourists in the region.

  390. Ajeoshi says:
    @Malla

    Salvini is at most a centrist civic nationalist: he’s absolutely a non-racist politician who is ok with African immigration as long as it follows legal routes (they do exist).

    He’s trying to inject some mild laissez-faire reforms into our sclerotic economy and partially re-do divorce law which is one of the most brutally skewed against men in the world.

    He’s probably more left wing than an average Clinton administration exec circa 1997.

    In this day and age, and in such country, though that’s enough to get you branded a nazi.

  391. Ajeoshi says:
    @Anonymous

    No, but Korea held an important seat among the cultures of E. Asia. And it was one of its most advanced, 2nd only to China.

    All in all I agree, definitely Korea was more advanced than Japan for the whole of their respective history up until the latter part of 조선 시대. Japan in fact was mostly a backward barbaric backwater whose concept of international trade was pretty much piracy and little else.

    Only after the country leapfrogged ahead, thanks to the influx of Western technology and ideas, they started fabricating a non-sensical grandiose past that never existed. Not unlikely nordicist buffooons who claimed ancient Greece was populated by blue-eyed blondes in order to make up for their embarassing (up to the modern era) lack of any proper civilization or even history… as I wrote :”

    This though deserves an additional comment : too bad a certain Matthew Perry didn’t live long enough to share similar feelings. Be grateful your shogunate was wise enough to bow their collective head and go with the flow, otherwise you would still be known as a semi-Austronesian nation of 倭寇 more or less stuck in the iron age and run by a glorified mafia cartel (the samurai class).

    Reading, meet comprehension.

    But the comparison itself is nonsensical. China is a seminal civilization, the oldest continuous, and arguably the most advanced before the modern era.

    Before the 18th century, who even comes close besides other ancients like Mesopotamia, Egypt, Greece and Rome?

    Agreed, thanks for proving my point.

    Why don’t you visit a museum in Korea. Learn some history. Pick up a book. Maybe you’ll learn Korea wasn’t always the backward, sh##y little country you grew up hearing about in the mid 20th century.

    I’ve been to 광주, been to the 경복궁 and I’ve also visited Kyoto and many other places , guess what ? All beautiful, all interesting, all of them made possible only by Chinese technologies and concepts.

    I’ve never said that Korea was backward, $hitty or anything like that I just said both Korea and Japan were footnotes in the history of the only true giant of East Asia: China and i I still stand by my assertion, both your languages are like 40%-50% Chinese for Heavens sake.

    Korea isn’t “Be-Ne-Lux”. Korea is also ancient. It’s arguably the 2nd oldest, continuous civilization in the world.

    Please spare me your 단군 bull, Korea entered a fully civilisational phase relatively late, basically only during 고구려시대, all the preceding Koreanic groups (Yemaek, Buyeo etc) were not that much different from those semi if not fully nomadic confederacies typical of Northern Asian peoples.

    Why don’t you educate yourself, foreign interloper.

    I strongly suspect my education is vastly better than yours and as Jeff said you’re lucky if you’re gonna deal with foreign interlopers like us: whites who bring skills, stability and money. Wake the eff up buddy: you seem to obsess over Western and Japanese abuses of the past while in the meantime your elites, not unlike ours, have sold your country for a bag of pistacchios.

    You now have 2.5 million foreigners (probably more if illegals are properly counted) dwelling in your precious, pure-blood nation: Pakis, Bengalis, Uzbeks, even Africans etc. All invited by your greedy business elite craving an endless supply of cheap labour… sounds familiar ?

    Ah if i were you I would be a bit more cautious in exporting all those fun glitzy Studio Dragon dramas, depicting Korea as a super-wealthy, futuristic, upbeat society. Many third worlders might start buying into your PR stunts and next thing you know the Yemenis in Jeju do are not a once in a lifetime curiosity.

    Good for you. Maybe the half-breeding will be delegated to your snotty son who will inject further “high culture” to native troglodytes.

    My son lives in HK, where we all used to live. He studies computer science there and he’s very happy with his high school sweetheart, who happens to be a very pretty, very stylish, highly educated Cantonese girl who is studying to become an M&A lawyer, I’m very happy for him.

    Said so, sorry you guys drink like retards and behave like animals while drunk.

    As i said i lived in Hong Kong, overall I think Korea has a higher quality of life but in 3 years there I’ve never witnessed what i experience on an average weekday night in Seoul, which is more akin to how the most disgusting British Chavs behave during their taxpayer-funded romps in Greece or Spain than what you would expect in a civilised and developed Asian nation.

    After many years dealing with your rampant almost nihilistic alcoholism and your widespread petty soju-fueled violence I call a spade a spade: you don’t like to be called a troglodyte, don’t behave like one.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  392. Ajeoshi says:
    @Anonymous

    In E. Asia, the borders have been pretty much where they have been for thousands of years. For Japan to violate these established borders and territories is perceived as a great affront.

    Ah so the Imjin wars, the Sengoku era, the Mongol invasions, the Balhae incursions (bordering on genocidal aggression) into northern territories, the Goguryeo-Silla-Tang tri-war etc etc were all figments of my imaginations, quite the stable borders there buddy.

    Is that what you tell the Palestinians? You lost, accept your occupation/oppression?

    The *ucks i give about the Palis plight are exactly (10000000* 5678426685656786)^0 – 1

    Actually I’m quite pissed off my government spent over the last few decades billions in aids to these scumbags while we have entire areas of the country effectively in third world conditions.

    Korea is trying to deal with it… but you Americanos keep getting in the way.

    So now I’m an Americano ? You will forgive me then if all of you look to me just like different shades of chink.

    How can the colonial era be forgotten when Korea still lives in the shadow of that era, WWII and the Korean War? They’re reminded of it everyday: The Koreas are still divided. 30K American troops remain in SKorea. SKorea is essentially a US military base.

    See my reply to Jeff: you have the money and the tech, defend yourselves, bums

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  393. Anon[497] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    I wonder who are more dishonest. Chinese or Indians?

    • Replies: @Malla
  394. Ajeoshi says:
    @Half-Jap

    Japan had to deal with too many Korean and Taiwanese men wanting to help our war efforts back then; bet you never heard of that one

    Your bet would be ill-placed as I’m well aware of the multi-ethnic makeup of the Imperial Army. For instance I do know a large number of Kenpeitai members were of Korean stock to the point that 高麗棒子 is still a common slur used in China for Koreans.

    Also many non-Japs fought bravely in your army, to the point that quite a few of them (including many Koreans) are buried in the 靖国神社

  395. @Ajeoshi

    AJEOSHI

    Cut this angry young man some slack. How would you feel if confident, tall (ish), successful (Moderately) foreign men compared strode around with the better-looking women in your community?

    It is infuriating enough when foreign men rape your women like refugees in Europe.

    But when YOUR women nearly rape foreign men, the indignity is sizable.

    Americans would love to leave the Korean peninsula. Of course this might have a mild effect on the Seoul economy, not much though.

    • Replies: @Ajeoshi
    , @Anonymous
  396. Ajeoshi says:
    @jeff stryker

    ROFFFFFFFLLLLLLLLLLLL that’s one of the most peculiar sides of Korean life for expats: dealing (mostly on the internet) with angry young spergies, pissed off by the behaviour of their own women.

    In every Asian nation, including Japan, you have a segment of the local male population constantly blabbering about local chicks cavorting with foregners, in no other place though that reach the fever-pitch intensity of Korea.

    I think this is due partly to some residual Jeoson era puritanism, where women where regarded as almost angelic creatures. Concepts scarcely applicable to to the current local female population, as in terms of sluttiness they’re second only to the Pinays in Asia. You live here and sometimes you get the impression that Japanese porn is finally real: school teachers sacking up with middle-schoolers, incests, married women cheating like crazy with the Chinese food delivery guy, high-schoolers getting sucked into S&M circles in exchange of expensive designer items etc: you name it, we have it.

    I forgot who said Koreans are the white trash of Asia, truer words were never spoken.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  397. Anon[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ajeoshi

    Is Italy a good place to date women?

  398. Half-Jap says:
    @Ajeoshi

    Astute point about the implication for reunification.
    As for the other response, I apologize for being so pompous and presumptive!

    • Replies: @Ajeoshi
  399. Half-Jap says:
    @peterAUS

    Probabilities, to be sure.
    Here’s a cool dude presenting interesting findings around the world, as well as commentary on what we already have found, regarding ancient ruins.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  400. @Ajeoshi

    It is nothing new. NJ Anglo-Saxons with their thin builds and pallid skin and thin hair and cubicle wart jobs are often resentful of Sicilian-Americans who do manly skilled labor like auto work or carpentry or construction whom Anglo-Saxon women often prefer because they can do masculine things like fix a sink pipe or repair a car engine-the plot of KARATE KID revolved around this.

    Of course the difference is that in New Jersey if the Anglo-Saxon says anything he is beaten up for it whereas in Korea most whites are so glad to be out of places like Italy or Southeast Michigan that how local males feel or what they say (Which we cannot understand much of anyhow) does not matter.

    You or I are not going to storm down to the beach and go mano-a-mano with local incels as oppose LaRusso and Johnny Lawrence.

    We are simply glad to be free of taxes, being white in countries where this is still viewed with some respect, being in traditional marriages to women who do not have more tattoos than a sailor and not having to care about the garbage of our own countries.

    I’ll concur that American enlisted soldiers are an unpleasant lot who leave the base to spread their VD’s in the local red light area and I don’t blame Koreans for wanting them out. My belief is that reunification would not go as smoothly as Germany however and it would require MORE US tax dollars to install a puppet government. Russians and Chinese have already long since cut North Korea off. Russia for economic reasons and China simply because they regard North Koreans as surplus to their requirements.

    Koreans might be considered the rednecks of Asia. Hicks who are openly unrefined. As merchants in the Los Angeles ghetto, they have demonstrated they get along with African-Americans about as well.

    • Replies: @Malla
  401. Malla says:
    @Anon

    Both are dishonest but I think Indians are more. Personal experience. Indians are just second rate Jews. Cunning and untrustworthy slimeballs most of us anyways. Some of us are really honest and sincere but only a tiny minority.

  402. MALLA

    A Brahmin once told me that Indians rule by confusion. Lower caste ones anyhow. This is true. I find that Brahmin, unused to kissing ass, generally are no good at being servile. You can trust them more than, say, Nair. Because when pressed, Brahmin will tell you to piss off. Brahmin haughtiness is better than Malbari trickery.

    • Replies: @Malla
  403. Alden says:
    @Malla

    2 words More Welfare

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  404. @Alden

    ALDEN

    Indians don’t come to the US for welfare. They wreak all sorts of havoc in the IT industry but they are not welfare leeches. Pakistanis in UK might be accused of that but Indians in the US hold some kind of job. Might be lousy but they get up in the morning and do something.

    When appraising the extent of the damage other groups are having, let us be realistic about their role. Indians take jobs. They are not supported by middle class whites…they replace them.

    It is like those who say Jews are physically dangerous to Gentiles. This is wrong. Jews won’t physically harm Gentiles personally. Whatever else they do, Jews rarely pose a physical threat to non-Jews.

    Similarly, Indians and Chinese in the US are not welfare leeches. They would not come to the US unless it paid better than their own countries. No Brahmin comes to the US to live in a trailer on welfare.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
  405. Ajeoshi says:
    @Half-Jap

    No need for apologies, I am too at times a bit too aggressive so as I give it I also expect to take it, interesting convo by the way.

    • Replies: @Half-Jap
  406. @Bliss

    That kind of hair does not accompany white skin and blue eyes does it?

    Sorry to interfere with your little friendly catfight… 🙂 …but: the combination of white skin, black curly hair and blue eyes is actually quite common (meaning 1+%) in Poland, Baltic states and Eastern Europe generally.

    • Replies: @Alden
  407. Alden says:
    @jeff stryker

    More or less. And only about 2,500 years ago.

    • Replies: @Malla
  408. Alden says:
    @jeff stryker

    My post didn’t refer to Indians in America. It referred to the blacks and browns (Arabs africans pakis) invading their old colonial oppressors in Europe.

  409. Alden says:
    @jeff stryker

    You aren’t aware that the Indian cheap labor tech workers bring their elderly grandparents and fake grandparents to America as soon as possible to get SSI Medicare Medicaid free transportation and all the welfare for old Americans on their 65th birthday are you?

    Sunnyvale Cupertino and all those Santa Clara towns are full of White haired Chinese and Indians creeping along on their walkers.

    The automatic $800-900 a month SSI payment that kicks in at 65 goes a long way towards paying the mortgage on the 25 people living in the 1,800 sq ft house.

    The west coast NYC and other parts of the USA are becoming the old age pension and medical system of China and India. And the SSI cash payments make it possible for them to price Americans out of the housing market.

  410. Alden says:
    @Haruto Rat

    He didn’t mean the curly hair of Whites. By tightly curled he meant the kinky frizzy hair of black Africans totally different type of hair from the hair of Whites.

  411. Malla says:
    @jeff stryker

    I find that Brahmin, unused to kissing ass, generally are no good at being servile.

    Oh they have been servile when it suits them. They are servile when they see strength. They have been Servile to Mughals and Europeans but once they get power, they backstab.

  412. Malla says:
    @jeff stryker

    It is nothing new. NJ Anglo-Saxons with their thin builds and pallid skin and thin hair and cubicle wart jobs are often resentful of Sicilian-Americans

    There are always gonna be some women who would get attracted to the seemingly wilder uncivilised men. Take Israel for example. Many Israeli Jewish women are not attracted to their pussyboy Israeli men and find romance in the arms of a brave Arab. Hardly any Arab women find Israeli guys attractive and such marriages are nearly non existent. But the other way round is very common. And this pisses of the pussyboy Israeli guys so much that now a days they attack such Arab-Jewish pairings.
    Check out these insecure losers.

    Lehava: The Israeli Group Keeping Jewish/Arab Lovers Apart

    Israel police detain 15 over campaign to stop Jewish-Arab dating

  413. Malla says:
    @jeff stryker

    I’ve known many Anglo-Indians.

    Most Anglo-Indians have left India. In the past they dominated the railways and education. But they had a tough time after 1947 in clannish India. Most have gone to Australia, New Zealand or Canada. I mean, the Anglo Indians had a semi British and semi Indian culture. But in manners and sense of cleanliness they were more British. So they would not prefer to live in shithole India with people spitting on roads, shitting and peeing everywhere, thuggery, cheatin-swindin everywhere, corruption, goons, people farting laud and proud, stinky everywhere and garbage. Things became pretty crap after 1947 with respect to thuggery and corruption. Since many Anglo Indians were on average quite well off so they migrated away in droves. Indeed they were some of the first from India to migrate to Western countries. Same with the Chinese in China Town Calcutta, most left for Australia, Canada or Taiwan. The Chinese were interned in India during the 1962 Indo-China War, parallel to the internment in concentration camps of Japanese Americans in WW2 USA.
    There are two seats in the Indian Parliament reserved for Anglo Indians but I think most have left India.
    There is great movie on Anglo Indians called Bhowani Junction starring Stewart Granger & Ava Gardner.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @jeff stryker
    , @Malla
  414. peterAUS says:
    @Half-Jap

    Good basic, introductory, video.
    That guy is O.K. fellow.

  415. Anonymous[673] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Why forget India?

    India is another truly great civilization but you have nothing to do with that. May Lord Shiva, the great Destroyer, smite you for your perfidy.

    The majority of the population were starving and were enslaved by a small number of corrupt bureaucrats called Yangban

    No one is quibbling about economic aid and development and Japan’s contribution to that. It’s all the other terrible things that came attached with it.

    Japan is always welcome as a friend and partner. But it is not welcome to erase Korea’s identity and undermine its sovereignty. And that’s what Japan tried to do circa 1910.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
    , @Malla
  416. Anonymous[673] • Disclaimer says:
    @jeff stryker

    1. “When Koreans like you say “Yankee Go Home” I agree.”
    2. “You can join North Korea and eat tree bark like their people have to do for all I care.”

    Why the false choice? Is there no other option besides occupation and bark?

    Incidentally, NKorea has been under US sanctions since the Korean War.

    Americans waste a great deal of money on the DMZ.

    Are you suggesting that Washington’s presence in Korea is motivated by feelings of beneficence towards the Korean people?

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  417. Anonymous[673] • Disclaimer says:
    @jeff stryker

    Cut this angry young man some slack. How would you feel if confident, tall (ish), successful (Moderately) foreign men compared strode around with the better-looking women in your community?

    It is infuriating enough when foreign men rape your women like refugees in Europe.

    Koreans might be considered the rednecks of Asia.

    ^^ Your true colors. Get past the grin and you’re just another white prick in Asia.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  418. Anonymous[673] • Disclaimer says:
    @Ajeoshi

    I hope reunification will happen no earlier than 30-40 years, imho right now it would be a major disaster for East Asia

    They can have some variation of, “one country, 2 systems”.

    Yes the money the US tax payer waste on the ROK is an absolute obscenity.

    The US “wastes” money on its own behalf.

    both your languages are like 40%-50% Chinese for Heavens sake.

    True. But why is this in any way “bad”? Today, Koreans (in fact the world) import English loan words. Does that make them any “less”?

    And what does it matter how Korea (or anyone else) compares to China? Like everyone else, the Korean people live and breathe for their own sake; cherish their heritage because it is theirs; and fight for their territory and that which was bequeathed to them by their forebears because it is their inheritance.

    Please spare me your 단군 bull, Korea entered a fully civilisational phase relatively late, basically only during 고구려시대

    Goguryeo (37 BCE – 668 BCE) was late? Compared to whom?

    Why are you so bitter? Everyone has founding myths. What makes Korea’s more deserving of scorn?

    Koreans do not claim Gojoseon was ancient Greece. It simply marks the mythic/historical beginnings of the “Korean people”.

    I strongly suspect my education is vastly better than yours

    “Vastly better”? Really?

    Maybe so. But what does your education count for when it’s used to prove how much better you are than everyone else? When I said you should “educate yourself”, the goal was not the acquisition of facts but empathy.

    My son lives in HK, where we all used to live. He studies computer science there and he’s very happy with his high school sweetheart, who happens to be a very pretty, very stylish, highly educated Cantonese girl who is studying to become an M&A lawyer, I’m very happy for him.

    Congrats on your half-breed grandkids.

    I call a spade a spade: you don’t like to be called a troglodyte, don’t behave like one.

    I don’t care what you call anyone. But the fact that you call your home of 10 years and your wife’s native people “troglodytes” bespeaks more of your humanity than theirs.

    At the end of the day, you’re just another typical white guy in Korea. And that’s not a compliment.

    Ah so the Imjin wars, the Sengoku era, the Mongol invasions, the Balhae incursions (bordering on genocidal aggression) into northern territories, the Goguryeo-Silla-Tang tri-war etc etc were all figments of my imaginations, quite the stable borders there buddy.

    I’m not sure what you’re trying to point out. That there were conflicts in Korea? Or that borders were very fluid?

    Following unification, borders were relatively stable.

    The Mongols did not change Korea’s borders. Korea maintained nominal sovereignty.

    See my reply to Jeff: you have the money and the tech, defend yourselves, bums

    Sure, as soon as Washington makes for the exit.

    I forgot who said Koreans are the white trash of Asia, truer words were never spoken.

    Really, “vastly more educated” white man? That’s the sort of thing that drools from your mouth after 10 years overseas?

  419. Anon[256] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    A lot of Anglo Indians still live in India. The Indian govt gives them reservations in the parliament, jobs, and universities.

    Anglo Indians dominated the railways under the British Raj. Their English language skills and British ancestry made them a favored class. After the British Raj left, the Anglo Indians declined quickly in the new India.

    Things were crap before 1947 and after 1947. The difference is that without the British colonialist nepotism, the Anglo Indians were unable to compete.

    Anglo Indians aren’t well off. They have a reputation for being poor, lazy, and too fond of alcohol/partying. They fit in with Goa much more than Bangalore. In a hypercompetitive and ruthless country like India, Anglo Indians have a difficult time competing.

    Anglo Indians are clannish and nepotistic (as is everybody in India), but they’re highly unmotivated and r-selected. So they suffer.

    A good movie called Cotton Mary was made about them. Unfortunately, the movie was banned because the Anglos shrieked and complained about the movie being “offensive “

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @jeff stryker
    , @Malla
  420. @Malla

    MALLA

    I knew a Malayalam actor whose grandfather was an English soldier who had stayed in India and ran a hotel-his grandfather was in his eighties by then but still spry. Once you get down to 25% English blood, it is hard to distinguish between Anglo-Indians and full-blooded Indians.

    Similarly, with English people who have a great-grandmother who was Indian like Billy Connelly the singer or Vivian Leigh the actress from GONE WITH THE WIND you cannot really distinguish them from other whites.

    For example, Ava Gardner in real life is 100% British. But looks dark enough to be a quarter Indian. Billy Connelly the singer looks 100% white.

    There are some Anglo-Indians in Kochi and Calcutta. By that I mean more there than elsewhere in India.

    Also, the India you describe is not in the controlled environment of Jo-Jo or Andheri. There are parts of Jo-Jo that are much cleaner than the worst slums in the US.

    There are a few Chinese left in the leather markets in Calcutta. Leather work in Eastern India is heavily Chinese.

    Again, I was merely doing jobs in India and only lived in your country for a few months over the space of ten years.

    • Replies: @Malla
  421. @Anonymous

    I should state that I have not set foot on Korean soil in my entire life. My experiences with Koreans are limited to Detroit-where there is a sizable community of them-and Cebu.

    As a Korean, you’re merely referring to your own country and not speaking for Southeast Asians who are more than happy to have older and more mellow white retirees or middle-aged businessmen augmenting the GDP with their life savings than a bunch of wild young Korean tourists drugging and fighting in bars with Filipinos. Statistically, and there is no refuting this, Koreans are far more likely to end up in jail Philippines for being social degenerates and civil disruptions than white men.

    Oh, I am not saying that Southeast Asia has not gotten despicable white pedophiles. But these older white pedophiles are quiet-living and not swinging chairs in bar fights like Koreans.

    Remember that whites are fully aware of your laws. Any trouble of any sort in Seoul, and that foreigner is deported. Doesn’t matter if he has married a local woman and put hundreds of thousands of dollars into the economy. Your government doesn’t fool around with white troublemakers. Nor should Koreans put up with white (Or any other non-Korean) problems. Get rid of them.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @tamo
  422. @Anonymous

    673

    YANKEE GO HOME was a book written by my Korean poly-sci teacher at Central Michigan University.

    Which, by the way, I agree with completely. Get the US forces out of Seoul and use the tax money to repair the potholes on the Detroit runway. US military expenditures are turning the America into a second world slum of lousy infrastructure, unsafe streets, homelessness, zero government investment in business-creation and so on. And since Koreans themselves don’t want our war machine, why don’t we just leave?

    Best case scenario would be German reunification but I doubt that the North Koreans would go that way. They would want a dictatorship and if they could run Seoul they would flush it right down the toilet.

    But you know, that would not really be our problem.

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  423. Anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I’m aware of the reservations (nominated seats) in Lok Sabha but could you elaborate on the job/university reservations?

    They fit in with Goa much more than Bangalore.

    Goans fit well in Goa and all India is trying to fit into Bangalore, which is a bad fit. I’ve heard at second hand Bangalore is much less pleasant a place than it used to be.

    They fit in with Goa

    Well, that’s good though. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_states_and_union_territories_by_GDP_per_capita

    A good movie

    Well, that’s the thing; too much of people’s world-perception derives from movies and media. The one you mentioned is probably good, do you know if it is available outside India?

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  424. @Anon

    ANON

    Gora ex-Indian expat worker here.

    I befriended an Malayalam Anglo-Indian actor whose grandfather was an old English soldier remained after Independence and Anglo-Indians have an easier time making it in Kollywood (Not Bollywood) by dint of physical appearance.

    When you talk about R-selection, you are really referring to the status of the white male. If he was some British infantry grunt or railroad foreman with some 14 year old village girl mistress (English soldiers seemed like Indian wives REALLY YOUNG) then indeed he was not going to be leaving much for his grandchildren.

    On the other hand, if your grandfather was Lord such-and-such and your grandmother was a Parsee merchant’s daughter then chances are you have quite a bit of cash. But as Malla once remarked, most of these people took off back to England.

    There is a class/caste dichotomy here. Some English soldiers who would have been considered lower class bumpkins in England were able to marry up in India. Similarly, some 14 year old Indian village girls from the lower castes married up the English food chain/class system.

    In any event, once you are down to 25% white it does not really matter. Russel Peters looks Indian to me.

    Billy Connelly and Vivian Leigh looked white to me although both are part Indian.

    As for Goa, the relaxed atmosphere there is a Latin thing.

    When I was in Kochi it was not the Anglo-Indians or Brahmin or Nair who were VIP elites. It was the so-called Syrian Christians descended from St. Thomas. I’d lay money they were actually Jews but they swore to me they were descended from St. Thomas’s Christian apostles in the fifth century. Nobody really knows where they are from. Latest studies suggest they are in fact Iraqi Jews. But who really knows.

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  425. @Anon

    152

    Anglo-Indians have an easier time making it in Malayalam cinema. Maybe Bollywood too.

    Bangalore is basically Silicone Valley part two.

    Goans are a mixed-race group so of course Anglo-Indians will fit in there.

  426. Malla says:
    @Anon

    A lot of Anglo Indians still live in India.

    Yes but a good chunk of them have left.

    The Indian govt gives them reservations in the parliament, jobs, and universities.

    What? Anglo Indians have no reservations in jobs and universities whatsoever. These reservations are for lower castes and tribes.

    Things were crap before 1947 and after 1947.

    After 1947, the power went into the hands of corrupt politicians. Anglo Indians spread across the country and not concentrated in a particular constituency, looked at with hatred for being half British by the brainwashed racist nepotist Indian population and their chances were definitely fading. India is all about tribes competing with each other to get power using the democratic system. And since a large chunk of them have left India their numbers have thinned further to not make much of a difference anyways.

    Anglo Indians are clannish and nepotistic (as is everybody in India)

    Yes they are nepotistic but their nepotism is very very mild compared to other Indians. And in a country like India not being nepotistic sets you up for failure.

  427. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    India is another truly great civilization but you have nothing to do with that.

    Says a foreigner who according to our traditions is a lowly unclean barbarian Mlecha.

    May Lord Shiva, the great Destroyer, smite you for your perfidy.

    LOL you really do not understand Hinduism. Please do not even try.

  428. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    But it is not welcome to erase Korea’s identity and undermine its sovereignty. And that’s what Japan tried to do circa 1910.

    And that is exactly what the People’s Republic of China has done in Tibet and is doing now in a big way to the Uighurs. And as far as erase identity, textbooks in Korea during Japanese rule included both Japanese as well as Korean Hangul script.

  429. Malla says:
    @jeff stryker

    Get the US forces out of Seoul and use the tax money to repair the potholes on the Detroit runway.

    I would say, get the US forces everywhere around the world back to the USA. The founding fathers had warned about never becoming an Empire and strangely the USA turned out exactly that, an empire.

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  430. Malla says:
    @Alden

    Yet the Japanese are very different than Koreans in personality.
    The Japanese are like the Anglo-Teuton-Scandinavians of East Asia, honest, disciplined, attention to details.
    Koreans and Northern Chinese are like the Slavs while Southern Chinese and Vietnamese are like the Mediterraneans of East Asia. Southern Cantonese Chinese are literally also the Jews of East Asia.
    Other South East Asians are the Turks and Arabs of East Asia, undisciplined, semi-barbaric medium IQ masses.
    Papua New Guineans/Australian Abos are the black Negroid Africans of the Asia Pacific region primitive and low IQ jungle people.
    White Australians are like the White South Africans of Asia Pacific Region.
    White New Zealanders are more like Canadians than Aussies and Maoris are like Native Americans.
    Mongols are to East Asia like the Sikhs are to India, bigger and more imposing.
    India overall is the Brazil of this region, super mixbreed melting pot with big differences in between poor and rich, medium IQ semi barbaric masses. Bangladesh its Venezuela. Indians, atleast some of her castes can be considered the other Jews with the Southern Chinese.

  431. Malla says:
    @jeff stryker

    Vivian Leigh looked white to me

    Vivian Leigh’s Indian side was Parsi. Freddie Mercury (real name Farrokh Bulsara) was Parsi too but born in the Indian diaspora in Africa. Most Brits thought he was White. When I told my British friend that Freddie Mercury was Indian, his response was that ‘But he was White!!’. Of course Freddie did not look Nordic, he had a Med look in him. Even though Parsis do not look pure present day Persians/Iranains overall and most probably have mixed with Indians in the past. Having dated an Iranian (Persian) girl in the past, I can tell you that Persians are really a population in between Europeans and South Asians in looks and personality. Iranians too are mixed race like South Asians (they have quite a variation in looks) but the Aryan is probably much much stronger in them than among us South Asians. I had read somewhere that Tehran is more similar to Athens and Madrid than the outright shitholes of Mumbai and Cairo.

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  432. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Anglo Indians were also big in the Indian Army.

  433. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    And that’s what Japan tried to do circa 1910.

    Due to the Glorious Japanese Empire, population in Korea which was falling before the annexation rose at a rate higher than Japan itself and much higher than rest of Asia. Obviously this was due to improved nutrition and health after the population was rescued from the slavery under Yangbans, the Koreans were literally slaves of the Qing Chinese before Japanese Empire.
    Also during the Japanese Empire, North Koreans were richer than South Koreans but thanks to Communism the whole thing has reversed.
    Similarly, India’s population which was static started increasing after contact with Europeans. The British destroyed Islamic power of India due to which Hindus could live in peace. Similarly the British gave education to the lower castes for the first time in 2000 years, the lower castes were worse than slaves of upper castes.
    European Empires in Africa stopped slavery which was common in Africa. Most travelers to Africa, before European rule spoke of the population decreasing due to tribal warfare, disease and Arab-Somali slave raiders. Even the Italians in their very short lived rule over Ethiopia banned slavery in they country and released the slaves.

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  434. Malla says:
    @jeff stryker

    Also, the India you describe is not in the controlled environment of Jo-Jo or Andheri. There are parts of Jo-Jo that are much cleaner than the worst slums in the US.

    You are joking right? Yes there are parts of India which are clean but that must be like 0.000001% of the Indian landmass. What is Jo Jo? Do you mean Juhu in Bombay?
    I remember in my childhood when I used to come back to India from abroad, and the airplane door would open after landing and the whiff of outside air would enter the airplane, it really smelt of shit and pee. At the freakin airports!!! Which were the cleanest parts of India then. However the airports today on major cities have been upgraded to World standards. But that was what it was once. The whole country stank of shit and pee. Enter an Indian village in mainland India (outside the Himalayas) and first thing you do is smell shit and pee. It is only the parts of India near Tibet like Sikkim, North East and the southern state of Kerela which are cleaner. One of friends saw floating excreata near him while swimming in Cheanai (Madras) beach.
    Strangely some of the Brahmin dominated places in North India like holy Varanasi are some of the dirtiest shitholes on planet Earth giving tough competition to slums of Africa. A White American hillybilly trailer trash guy would vomit on Varanasi railway station after getting down from the train and run back to USA. An escaped North Korean would run back to Supreme Leader Kim’s arm if he were to experience some of the Brahmin dominated towns in North India. They are hell on Earth, gutter hell. The only Whites who can survive these places are hippies and semi-hippies (libtards) as they themselves are unwashed.

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  435. Half-Jap says:
    @Ajeoshi

    You have my thanks and respect for the exchange. I look forward to more 😀 / ( ̄▽ ̄)ノ

  436. @Malla

    MALLA

    I lived in Kochi and I would say it is about on par with the more rundown parts of North American cities like Pittsburgh or St. Louis or parts of Chicago. Juhu and Andheri have areas that are nice. Of course they are ridiculously expensive for Indian standards but they are not as rundown as an Alabama trailer park.

    Socialism and kicking Brahmin out of Kerala sort of improved it when combined with remissions from U.A.E. Chennai is still poor and I have heard (Not seen) that Bihar poverty is unimaginable.

    Goa is not terribly poor. The plumbing is functional there.

    Of course parts of India are as poor as Africa. I don’t dispute that. But the wealthy live pretty well in India. Parsee are doing better than your average white trailer park hick in the US. Brahmin in North India don’t live badly, even if their temples are filthy.

    Chandigargh is quite clean and orderly.

    I expected all of India to be much poorer when I went there, put it that way.

  437. @Malla

    Malla is a female Indian name, isn’t it?

    Well, it is only an avatar and to each their own.

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  438. Malla says:
    @jeff stryker

    Female name is Mala, with a single ‘l’.

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  439. @Malla

    MALLA

    I should have remembered that.

  440. Che Guava says:
    @Malla

    I have oo idea what the ‘Kamakaze Song’ let alone heard it. There are two ways to interpret the way you have mis-spelt it.

    1. A song about wind from cooking pots, or

    2. A song about a gay male wind.

    If you want to see some examples, simply look up the name as I spelt it. You will find a few (including, possibly, part of mime, at a rock venue), but none of the old elebtro-punk, some of which was pretty good, but as performance, partly faked.

    I first met the members years ago in a park on the shores of the industrrial parts of Kwasaki, after having seen their electro-punk act two or three times.

    The interest of the keader was mainly in a penis-cult trad. Festive style, one can(t say band, but maybe ‘colunn’.

  441. Che Guava says:
    @Malla

    I have oo idea what the ‘Kamakaze Song’ let alone heard it. There are two ways to interpret the way you in the way you spell it.

    1. A song about wind from cooking pots, or

    2. A song about a gay male wind.

    If you want to see some examples of the sound and look of the band I mention, simply look up the name as I spelt it. You will find a few (including, possibly, part of mime, at a rock venue), but none of the old elebtro-punk, some of which was pretty good, but as performance, partly faked.

    I first met the core members years ago, at a music festival in a big park on the shores of the industrrial parts of Kwasaki, after having seen their electro-punk act two or three times.

    The interest of the keader was mainly in a penis-cult trad. Festive style act, one can(t say band, but maybe ‘colunn’, whch is what the term in lapanese means.

    Anyway, they conthnuee with the ekectro-punk fnr a whhle,affter that but then went into akmost full trad. Festive mnde.

    Their site used to have many great collages (I suspect that thehr removal was because big parw of the bca koundsij know why i
    I thnk, the backgrounds were from hiupt other life as a gaphic designer. Not even really good collages, no multi-layers, but pointed in Japanese. So good

    If you fail to find anything with the roman alphabet version I was postimg above, ropy-and-paste the below. Good sounds.

    切腹ビストルズ。 

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  442. Anonymous[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    And as far as erase identity, textbooks in Korea during Japanese rule included both Japanese as well as Korean Hangul script.

    Initially, and then it was phased out. If you’re trying to argue that Japan implemented zero policies to infringe on Korea’s cultural sovereignty, you’re emphatically mistaken. But it is mistakes like these that you’re wont to make because you are a tendentious quisling.

    Due to the Glorious Japanese Empire, population in Korea which was falling before the annexation rose at a rate higher than Japan itself and much higher than rest of Asia. Obviously this was due to improved nutrition and health after the population was rescued from the slavery under Yangbans

    I’ve debunked these kinds of arguments already. You’d better stop it or your rich neighbor might get some weird ideas.

    the Koreans were literally slaves of the Qing Chinese before Japanese Empire.

    False. But it is an erroneous argument used by ultra-right wing Japanese nationalists to defend Japanese colonialism.

    Also during the Japanese Empire, North Koreans were richer than South Koreans but thanks to Communism the whole thing has reversed.

    And thanks to US policy of sanctions/isolation and military threats. That seems to pretty much do the trick everywhere.

    Similarly, India’s population which was static started increasing after contact with Europeans.

    And why was that a good thing? Is there nothing you wouldn’t exchange for more Kibbles ‘n Bits?

    As I’ve said a number of times, the good that came out of slavery, colonization and disenfranchisement are not what’s being debated. But there was a price to be paid for that. And it is that cost that is the source of contention.

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  443. Anonymous[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    I would say, get the US forces everywhere around the world back to the USA. The founding fathers had warned about never becoming an Empire and strangely the USA turned out exactly that, an empire.

    You are really a strange guy. Haven’t you been the fawning lapdog for empire?

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    , @Malla
  444. Anonymous[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @jeff stryker

    I think you protest a little too much about Koreans in SE Asia.

    Maybe Koreans are everything as you described in the Philippines and elsewhere. But, really, who cares.

    If you want to talk about bad optics, it’s not the Koreans or other poorly behaving Asians. It’s Anglo sexpats. You guys stick out like a hairy thumb.

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  445. Anon[299] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    How is Goa in comparison to the rest of India?

    I heard it’s becoming dirty there too, but I can’t confirm personally.

    You used to hear a lot about Western Hippies and also Russians traveling to Goa, but the tourism numbers have fallen a lot in recent years. Does Goa still have the same fun/party vibe or has it become like the rest of the country?

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  446. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    I’ve debunked these kinds of arguments already. You’d better stop it or your rich neighbor might get some weird ideas.

    Facts are facts, even if you do not accept them.

    False. But it is an erroneous argument used by ultra-right wing Japanese nationalists to defend Japanese colonialism.

    True, a fact some do not want to accept.

    And thanks to US policy of sanctions/isolation and military threats. That seems to pretty much do the trick everywhere.

    With Communism, you do not need any sanctions.

    As I’ve said a number of times, the good that came out of slavery, colonization and disenfranchisement are not what’s being debated.

    Colonialism stopped slavery in many parts of the world you dumbfart.

    But there was a price to be paid for that.

    In some cases yes, in some cases no.

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  447. Malla says:
    @Anon

    How is Goa in comparison to the rest of India?

    Goa was better during Portuguese days when the difference in between the rich and poor was very less and that carried on after India invaded and captured it. In my childhood I saw a chicken farmers in Goa owning cars which was something rare in the rest of India. So Goa has a higher standard of living than the rest of India and the gap in between the rich and poor is low.
    But with time two bad things have happened:
    Rapid rise of mafia activities, some related to mining and some related to clubs. Influx of Nigerians and Israelis many of them connected to mafia like activities. “Goa has lost her innocence”, that is what a State level minister commented once.
    Secondly the greater influx of non Goan Indian tourists which has driven away foreign tourists from many traditional beaches to newer remoter beaches. Some of these beaches to try out are Cola beach and Palolem beach. Even the local Goans try to keep other Indians away from such beaches frequented by Whites/East Asians. Baga beach and Calingute have been taken over and destroyed by Indian tourists who dirty the place up and then stare with desperation at bikini clad Westerners.

    I heard it’s becoming dirty there too,

    Compared to before, sure. There has been a lot of influx from parts of India outside Goa.

    Does Goa still have the same fun/party vibe or has it become like the rest of the country?

    It has reduced but it still has those vibes last time I checked. There have been some murders, rapes of Western/Russian tourists which could have had a negative effect. There was a huge Russian influx in the past with many signs in Goa written in Cyrillic but as the Russian economy suffered there has been a drop in tourists. Also Russians and Westerners normally do not get along well. The locals complain that the Russians are much more frugal as compared to Westerners.
    The worst are the Israelis who out haggle local Indians.

    But anyways, yes the party atmosphere is still on.

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  448. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    You are really a strange guy.

    You are even stranger. You bray and bleat about evul Japanese Empire and evul European Empires but are mum about Tibet and Xinjiang and the Chinese Han colonisation of Taiwan. Or the Han Chinese colonisation of Manchuria and Inner Mongolia. Nor do you respond about the Muslim Bangladeshi colonisation of the Buddhist Chittagong Hill Tract tribals . Or the colonisation of Irian Jaya/West Papua by the Javans and other Indonesians. Why so mum?

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  449. Malla says:
    @Che Guava

    Hey I checked out the Seppuku Pistols. They are awesome. I love Taiko music. Thanks a lot.

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  450. @Malla

    I first arrived in Goa in December 1999 and it seems to have changed. When I was first stayed at Baga Beach there were few Indians and no Nigerians or Russians. Kashmiri carpet salesmen were the drug dealers and they sold hashish. Some non-Goan Indians offered heroin and ecstasy but cocaine was not really popular then-I assume Nigerians sell this-and methamphetamine was unheard of.

    There were always Israelis in Goa. But no Russians at that time.

    I went to the Full Moon Rave 1999. It was all twenty-something backpackers and hippies. If were Gen Y, you would have referred to us as hipsters.

    The majority were Brits. The few Americans were older hippies who actually lived there and ran hotels or curio shops.

    There were a few older Portuguese there who’d stayed on after Independence in 1967 who were born in Goa and wouldn’t leave-it was odd to see white people speaking fluent Hindi.

    There were a few Bengali migrant hookers who worked the foreign trade who stayed at Vasco beach during the tourist season.

    There was a laid-back Latin vibe to Goa then.

    Of course now I am 45 and that was twenty years ago.

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  451. @Anonymous

    376

    The ration of Westerners in Philippines jails versus Koreans would be HQ in scale. Most pedophiles and prostitute-addicts are shy, nervous losers who don’t get into bar fights or physical altercations like South Koreans.

    White expats might be doing nefarious things in SEA but they are not a civil disruption. Most Koreans in Philippines are younger. Most whites are over forty, an age when physical altercations and bar brawls drops precipitously among males in general statistically.

    Short of murder, the Korean Embassy will get them out of jail. The American Embassy won’t. If you are an American tourist you are fully aware that if you break the law an Embassy lawyer ain’t coming to your rescue.

    In all fairness, the Koreans are not operating child pornography rings or underage hookers in girly bars. American crimes in Philippines are criminal enterprise. Korean crimes consist of being jackasses.

    That is the impression Koreans in Ccbu leave you with. Bad manners, unrefined, drunks, brawlers, lacking social graces…but not calculated evil or pedophilia.

  452. @Malla

    MALLA

    I showed up in India in the late nineties and your flirtation with socialism (Not communism) was fairly disastrous for North India.

    It was the late nineties and India was still recovering from the socialism of the seventies.

  453. Anonymous[376] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Facts are facts, even if you do not accept them.

    Do you have trouble considering both sides and in toto? There’s nothing that is pure evil. Good things can arise from the bad. Bad things can arise from the good. Good and bad can coexist together.

    True, a fact some do not want to accept.

    Korea was not a colony of Qing or any variant of that. Both countries were suffering from longterm decline.

    Chinese Han colonisation of Taiwan. Or the Han Chinese colonisation of Manchuria and Inner Mongolia. Nor do you respond about the Muslim Bangladeshi colonisation of the Buddhist Chittagong Hill Tract tribals . Or the colonisation of Irian Jaya/West Papua by the Javans and other Indonesians. Why so mum?

    I’m not familiar with every issue. I can’t speak on it all.

    On Manchuria, surely you understand that it was the Manchus that invaded and conquered China. As a result, Manchuria was folded into greater China.

    I believe Taiwan was “part” of China (at least informally) for centuries. It officially became a part of China under the Manchus. Same with Tibet.

    As far as I understand, the Chinese do not attempt to eradicate local cultures and languages.

    It would be great if all “distinct” cultures could have their own “country” if they so desired, but on a practical basis, that is probably not possible. What’s fundamentally important is respect for native cultures and their capacity to preserve their identities. For the most part, I believe the Chinese do that.

    “Colonization” (at least by one definition) is the attempt to enslave or eradicate native people’s right to their indigenous way of life and/or use native people as chattel to procure resources. The Chinese do not do that (as far as I understand it). But the Japanese and Western empires did.

    In Israel, for instance, the crime of the Zionists is not whether they agree to a 2-state solution or not. Their ultimate crime lies in mistreating the Palestinian people as 2nd class citizens. If Israel wants the land, then subsume the Palestinians into their own populations. But if Jews wish to remain a distinct people, then they should allow the Palestinians the right of statehood and negotiate in good faith towards that objective.

    Instead, Israel wants the land, but not the people, and oppress the locals.

    But you believe oppression in exchange for Kibbles ‘n Bits is perfectly fine. Israel tells us that the rising obesity rate in Gaza is evidence that they’re not being mistreated. Their population is also on the rise. Surely, then, Israelis aren’t doing anything wrong?

    You’re probably a Zionist too. You will tell us that Jews made the desert flowers bloom.

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    , @Malla
  454. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Korea was not a colony of Qing or any variant of that. Both countries were suffering from longterm decline.

    It was not not a colony, agreed but the Qing had enormous power over Korea. Check out post 397. Koreans including the elites could not question any Qing Chinese policy with respect to Korea.

    On Manchuria, surely you understand that it was the Manchus that invaded and conquered China. As a result, Manchuria was folded into greater China.

    This is one of the dumbest thing I have ever heard. it is like the USA claiming Great Britain as a state after American independence. The Qing dynasty for centuries barred Han to settle in manchirua. Nice logic to take the territory of a Sovereign ethnic group.

    I believe Taiwan was “part” of China (at least informally) for centuries. It officially became a part of China under the Manchus. Same with Tibet.

    You belief you can keep with. Just some centuries ago, the native Taiwanese were a majority in their own country. Now they are a minority. It is one ethnic group overwhelming another.

    “Colonization” (at least by one definition) is the attempt to enslave or eradicate native people’s right to their indigenous way of life and/or use native people as chattel to procure resources. The Chinese do not do that (as far as I understand it). But the Japanese and Western empires did.

    The Chinese did you guys did in Tibet and in Xinjiang. You are a imperialist people.

    As far as I understand, the Chinese do not attempt to eradicate local cultures and languages.

    Did the British eradicate local cultures and languages in India? No they did not. Indeed it is because of the British that Indians came to know about their most glorious past such as Emperor Ashoka and his reign.

    What’s fundamentally important is respect for native cultures and their capacity to preserve their identities.

    The British did that in India, they respected local cultures. So the British were not colonial.

    You’re probably a Zionist too

    This is the problem with brainwashed idiots like you, I am one of the most ardent opponent of Zionism on UNZ. Check out my comment history.

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  455. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    And how is this destruction of Culture?

    Ancient Monuments Preservation Act 1904 passed in British India
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Monuments_Preservation_Act_1904
    The Ancient Monuments Preservation Act, 1904 was passed in 18, March 1904 by British India during the times of Lord Curzon. it is expedient to provide for the preservation of ancient monuments, for the exercise of control over traffic in antiquities and over excavation in certain places, and for the protection and acquisition in certain cases of ancient monuments and of objects of archaeological, historical or artistic interest. Act preserves and restores ancient Indian monuments by Archaeological Survey of India.

    More here

    Sanskrit College and University started by the British East India Company Government to preserve ancient Indian culture and history

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sanskrit_College_and_University
    Sanskrit College and University (erstwhile Sanskrit College) is a specialized state-government administered Liberal Arts University offering an undergraduate degree in Sanskrit language, Pali language, Linguistics and ancient Indian and world history.[1][2] It is one of the affiliated colleges of the University of Calcutta. Founded on 1 January 1824, Sanskrit College, is one of the oldest educational institutions in the subcontinent.[3] It is a traditional college that specializes in the scholarship of Indian tradition, philosophy and religion. It is located on College Street in central Kolkata (Calcutta). Its centrality is heightened by its proximity to Hindu School, Presidency College, Kolkata, the University of Calcutta, and the Indian Coffee House. It was established during the Governor-Generalship of Lord Amherst, based on a recommendation by HT James Prinsep and Thomas Babington Macaulay among others. The great Indian Hindu thinker from Bengal Iswarchandra Vidyasagr came from this college. It was recommended by Macaulay and Prinsep.

    Again how is this destruction of culture under colonialism?

  456. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    It would be great if all “distinct” cultures could have their own “country” if they so desired

    I agree with you on this however……

    but on a practical basis, that is probably not possible.

    Tibet and Xinjiang under Communist Chinese rule today are definitely practically possible as sovereign nations. Sikkim, Indian North East, Kashmir etc… under Indian rule today are definitely practical as Sovereign nations. Irian Jaya under Indonesia rule today is definitely practical as a sovereign nation, their brothers next door in Papua New Guniea have a sovereign nation. Bangladesh got independence out of Pakistan and is a practical sovereign nation today. 16 Socialist Soviet Republics got independence out of the Soviet Union as practical sovereign nations.
    Indeed the Soviets it its early period did more damage to native cultures than the European colonials in India or Indonesia. Pakistan was attempting to crush native Bengali culture in East Pakistan/Bangladesh in ways far more than the British Raj ever did.

  457. Malla says:
    @jeff stryker

    In some ways it is still the same, in some ways it has changed as I have described.

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  458. @Malla

    MALLA

    I smoked pot in Goa every day when I was there in my twenties and the drug scene was not so vicious. Kashmiri peddled hash out of their carpet stores. Quite openly, though it was technically against the law.

    There were no Russians and lots of Brits. And many Israelis. Methamphetamine and Ya-Ba and cocaine were unheard of. It was really more of a Harold and Kumar scene as stoned and drunk on Kingfisher whites dragged along lethargically.

    The prostitution scene was all Bengali hookers in those days who made the trip because they could charge Goras 12oo Rupees (In 99) . It seems unfair that Russian women should come and take their business, in fact.

    Nigerians were nowhere to be seen in those days.

    Hotels and clubs were all owned by locals.

  459. Che Guava says:
    @Malla

    I am very pleased that you were to bother to to fhnd examplers and to lhsten and enjoy.

  460. Anonymous[242] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Qing had enormous power over Korea.

    You mean, Qing had enormous influence. There’s a difference. Korean elites deferred to Chinese advice. Both countries were essentially “hermits” in the 19th century. There aren’t a lot of other countries in that neighborhood.

    it is like the USA claiming Great Britain as a state after American independence.

    Really? Now, that’s pretty stupid too.

    No, it’s not like that at all. The Communists didn’t declare “independence” from the Manchus. They declared the founding of the modern Chinese state. By the 20th century, the Manchus were Chinese.

    Just some centuries ago, the native Taiwanese were a majority in their own country. Now they are a minority. It is one ethnic group overwhelming another.

    “Some” centuries ago? Majority/minority are not necessarily what matters. It’s not one ethnic group “overwhelming” another unless you’re interpreting events from a racial view. It’s the assimilation/integration of groups, peacefully and voluntarily. There’s nothing wrong with that.

    China has hundreds of ethnic groups. The so-called “Han” are not really homogenous.

    Did we see integration/assimilation in India between the Brits and Indians? Absolutely not. So that was race-based colonialism.

    The British did that in India, they respected local cultures. So the British were not colonial.

    The suggestion that the East India Company and the Brits came to India to spread democracy and good-will is laughable on its face. But then, you are a funny guy.

    https://qz.com/india/1053297/independence-day-what-good-did-the-british-do-for-india-during-the-raj/

    As this article suggests, the Brits were racist, elitist and natives were turned into 2nd class citizens and indentured laborers for the British Empire. What was “gloriously” built in India was done for the benefit (profit) of the Brits.

    In fact, Britain’s policy was not to unite but to divide and rule. Under the British, Tharoor shows that, the Hindu caste system became more rigid, and communal lines, particularly those between Hindus and Muslims, deepened. Nowhere was the application of that singular ethos clearer than when, on their way out, the colonialists partitioned the subcontinent into India and Pakistan.

    Inglorious Empire shows in full glory how the British systematically purged India’s riches, destroyed its institutions, and created divisions among its peoples.

    I am one of the most ardent opponent of Zionism on UNZ.

    But why? Haven’t the Zionists made the flowers bloom? Helped lift the lives of millions of Palestinians? Brought technology, jobs, higher standards of living and capital to the region? And most importantly, fed them until they’re fat, allowing them to procreate like desert bunnies?

    What’s wrong with you? Why do you deny the truth? Can’t you see the modern buildings and roads that crisscross the West Bank like beautiful tributaries?

  461. tamo says:
    @jeff stryker

    On white man-Asian woman parings, all you have to do is just watch white man-Asian woman couples on the street. If you are honest with yourself , you will come to the conclusion that BY AND LARGE, these WM-AW couples are physically rather UNATTRACTIVE.

    Most of these couples are made of BELOW AVERAGE LOOKING sissy white guys whom no decent looking white women would go out with and equally UNAPPEALING Asian women whom any decent looking Asian men would NOT date.

    Of course, there are some EXCEPTIONS and so once in awhile you will find good looking WM-AW couples. But they are FEW and FAR BETWEEN. So if I see a decent looking WM-AW couple, then I also see seven or eight UNATTRACTIVE WM-AW couples. On the other hand, I see more and more good looking white women going for black guys LOL !!!

    I bet you are one of these pitiful kinds of physically very UNATTRACTIVE stupid white losers who never have had any chance with decent looking white women or jobs in the States and ended up somewhere in Asia and hooked up with only available Asian women—the UGLY ones and you are sooooo proud of yourself. How PATHETIC !!! LOL !!! Well you are very welcome to all the HOMELY Asian women !!!

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  462. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    You mean, Qing had enormous influence. There’s a difference. Korean elites deferred to Chinese advice. Both countries were essentially “hermits” in the 19th century. There aren’t a lot of other countries in that neighborhood.

    No check out the videos I have shown. The Koreans were defacto a subject state.

    No, it’s not like that at all. The Communists didn’t declare “independence” from the Manchus. They declared the founding of the modern Chinese state. By the 20th century, the Manchus were Chinese.


    And by the 20th century the native Americans were Americans.

    The Communists didn’t declare “independence” from the Manchus. They declared the founding of the modern Chinese state.

    And they took a plebiscite among the Manchus and their descandents to check out if they wanted to be part of this new Chinese state.

    Some” centuries ago? Majority/minority are not necessarily what matters

    Ofcourse especially if ii is the Han absorbing territory of others. If it were Europeans it would have mattered. That is Han logic. LOL

    It’s the assimilation/integration of groups, peacefully and voluntarily

    Only because it were the glorious Han who did it./ LOL. You guys are the best imperialists in the World. Especially how you justify it. LOL You just overwhelmed a group with smaller population and their culture is not dominant anymore in their native lands. This is a classic case of colonialism.

    What was “gloriously” built in India was done for the benefit (profit) of the Brits.

    Check out my next post.

    the Hindu caste system became more rigid,

    Prove it to me. nobody could prove this to me till now. The caste system was rigid from the very beginning. Indeed it were the British who gave the lower castes the right to education for the first time in 2 millennia. It is surprising you believe the sweet lies of an upper caste Hindu like Tharoor whose ancestors benefited the most from this discriminatory institution which would have never ended had it not been for the British.

    and communal lines, particularly those between Hindus and Muslims, deepened.

    LOL. It was always bad even before the British came. Indeed it were the British who kept the subcontinent together. Once the Brits decided to leave the Muslims wanted out.
    But more in a future post.

    BTW Tharoor is a gas bag who has was shaking when faced a real historian.

    But why? Haven’t the Zionists made the flowers bloom? Helped lift the lives of millions of Palestinians?

    Are you mad, they are cruel to the Palestinians. And the flowers were blooming because of the British Empire who started giant commercial farms even before Israel was formed. They gave employment to scores of Arabs to the anger of the Jews. The Israelis just took credit for what the Brits started.

  463. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    Now lets destroy your BS one by one.

    What was “gloriously” built in India was done for the benefit (profit) of the Brits.

    The American economist Milton Friedman on Colonialism

    A student poses a question to Milton Friedman in which he asks for an appraisal of just how exactly the riches that now exist in the so called “capitalist democracies” were obtained and how those countries became so rich so quick. Specifically he asks Friedman to account for the effect that having free labor derived from slavery allowed them to enrich themselves, and how the possession of colonies allowed rich countries to bleed wealth out of their colonial domains. Friedman responds by claiming it’s simply untrue that the wealth that arose in Western countries was due to slavery. Slavery was a disgrace and a blot on the United States’ record, but many rich Western nations did not have slavery. Britain and Japan did not have slaves when they developed and Hong Kong does not have slaves today. He goes onto claim that the facts are against the notion that the wealth was created due to the West exploiting its colonies. The reason people are quick to think so is that they have an ingrained predisposition to see view the world as a zero-sum game where if one man gains the other man looses. In reality a free market allows everyone to gain through mutually beneficial voluntary transactions. When the West colonized Africa they brought with them technology that greatly improved the condition of the people that lived there and actually made them better off. The wheel for example had not even been invented in Africa in the 19th century. As a result of Africa’s contacts with the West their condition improved greatly from what it previously was. To the charge that colonizers bleed wealth from their colonies, Friedman notes that it has always cost the mother country more to maintain its colonies then what was ever received in direct or indirect economic benefit. In the famous case of India, conclusive studies have shown that it cost Britain far more to maintain India then if it had never had it. Furthermore, many Western nations never possessed colonies yet became wealthy despite that fact.

    From http://www.friesian.com/british.htm
    we see that Britain’s trade with the Third World was tiny and not of any consequence as compared to it’s trade with the USA and the rest of Europe from the above link “Another lesson to be read off the trade figures is that a relatively small fraction of British trade involved colonies that would later constitute the “Third World.” Indeed, the only trade surpluses in the table are with India, Africa, the West Indies, and the Far East, which might give some heart to Marxist claims that British colonies, especially India, were the outlet for Capitalist “excess production.” However, the trade surpluses are small, and overall British trade with India and the other colonies is hardly larger than with the much, much smaller populations of Australia, New Zealand, and Canada. No serious argument can be made that the likes of Australia and New Zealand, with their own autonomous governments and protective tariffs, were being “exploited” by Great Britain. Instead the largest British export market is simply with the rest of Europe. Indeed, Europe, the United States, Australia, Canada, etc. are the places where more people would have enough money to buy British goods.

  464. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    What was “gloriously” built in India was done for the benefit (profit) of the Brits.

    http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/essay/economic-lessons-from-the-raj
    IT’S A SAD paradox of our history that national independence came with the loss of the economic freedom India enjoyed for a century-and-a-half under British rule. That may come as a surprise to Indians brought up on nationalist myths about colonial rule plundering India, de- industrialising its economy and draining off its wealth. More recent economic studies show that colonial India, well ahead of other developing countries, had built up a trading and industrial base that would have made it the envy of the Eastern Tiger economies, had Nehruvian socialism not cut it off from global markets after 1947.

    Let’s take the myth of colonial plunder first. During the early phase of conquest, British generals and common soldiers undoubtedly acquired much war booty, then regarded as the legitimate spoils of victory. But their plunder was minimal compared with that of Indian contemporaries like the Marathas and Tipu Sultan or other foreign invaders from Iran and Afghanistan.

    Much before the East India Company took over Bengal, the Marathas had ravaged the province with six plundering raids in the course of a decade, killing off hundreds of thousands and exacting huge sums in chauth from its Mughal Nawab, estimated at Rs 2.5 crore per annum in today’s money. It was these attacks and the inability of the feeble Mughal administration to resist them that led the Hindu business community, led by the powerful Jagat Seth banking house, to plot the British takeover of 1756-64.

    Delhi was less fortunate than Bengal and suffered devastating invasions by Iran’s Nadir Shah, followed by the Afghan Ahmad Shah Abdali. According to contemporary estimates, Nadir Shah’s sack of Delhi in 1739 extracted in one month an estimated Rs 70 crore worth of plunder, many times anything creamed off by the Company Sahib during its most rapacious years in Bengal, and a blow from which the Mughal economy never recovered.

    Myth number two is that India declined from being an economic superpower under the Mughals to a de-industrialised colonial wasteland. True, Mughal India in 1700 accounted for 25 per cent of world Gross Domestic Product, a statistic often misquoted to prove economic success, except when one remembers that India also had 25 per cent of the world’s population. Far more revealing are statistics of per capita GDP compiled by the Maddison Project, generally accepted as the most authoritative guide to global prosperity from ancient Roman times to the present.

    The Maddison figures show that India’s per capita GDP was only half that of Britain’s in 1600, when the Mughal Empire was at its peak. Thereafter India witnessed steady economic decline, with its trade heavily dependent on textile exports increasingly unable to compete with cheaper European cloth. That’s because the Mughal economy offered neither incentives nor opportunity for labour-saving technological innovation. Eighty per cent of its territories were allocated to a rentier class of jagirdars, who creamed off any agricultural surplus for their own luxurious lifestyles. Because their tenure was restricted to a few years, they had no incentive to reinvest their rents in improved productivity. Capital costs were prohibitively high, with interest rates double the 6 per cent average in Britain and peaking as high as 40 per cent in pre-colonial Bengal.

    That’s not the propaganda of colonial apologists but the judgement of eminent Indian historians as diverse as the Marxist Irfan Habib and the nationalist Tapan Raychaudhuri. ‘Not only was the Mughal state its own gravedigger,’ concluded Habib, ‘but no new order was or could be created by the forces ranged against it.’

    Both Habib and Western economists like Angus Maddison have agreed that the Mughal land revenue system was far more exploitative than anything later devised by the Company Sahib or the Raj. It’s estimated that the Mughal elite creamed off an average 15 per cent of national income for its own consumption, compared with a mere 5 per cent by the British. Under the rapacious warlords who succeeded the Mughals, land revenue demands soared as high as 50 per cent of production to fund their local wars.

    India in 1750, on the eve of the British conquest, had no scientific or technological research, no machinery, no mechanical tools. Its labour-intensive textiles were bound to suffer dramatically, whoever ruled, once cheaper European industrial goods captured their markets. This economic challenge coincided with a period of fierce regional wars, following the collapse of Mughal authority, which devastated both agriculture and manufacturing across vast swathes of the Subcontinent. It was a situation which left the European-ruled ports as the only safe havens for Indian commerce, prompting a migration of business communities like Marwaris from declining inland cities like Benares and Mathura to Calcutta, Madras and Bombay.

    The first two decades of Company rule were undoubtedly a period when private trade carried on by its corrupt employees, in defiance of the Company’s own monopoly, damaged indigenous competitors. But the Company itself had no interest in such abuses, relying as it did on a steady supply of high quality Indian textiles that it could export to Europe. After 1773, when the British Parliament took direct oversight of the Company’s finances and administration, such privateering was firmly stamped out.

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  465. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Myth number three is that our colonial rulers deliberately de-industrialised India by flooding it with machine-made British goods at the expense of Indian manufacturing. The Company certainly had no links with the satanic mills of Lancashire, nor any interest in selling their products. Its own trading interests lay in selling Indian goods to Europe, so it lobbied hard to lower British tariffs on them and also to raise protective Indian tariffs. That it failed to do so was a measure of the extent to which Europe’s Industrial Revolution was inevitably turning the economic tide against traditional cottage industries worldwide.

    Even so, recent research has demonstrated that European industrial competition, though far from being a zero-sum game, created winners as well as losers. Cheaper factory-made British yarn may have hit Indian spinners but was a boon for weavers, who could now source cheaper supplies and produce a more competitive end-product. Although textile exports declined, domestic demand grew, with per capita cloth consumption increasing from 5.8 sq yards per year in 1750 to 7.4 sq yards in 1850. Handlooms held their own in the production of saris, but lost out to machine-made men’s clothing.

    By the 1850s, a massive road-building programme by the East India Company had given Indian trade 2,600 km of newly metalled highways, including, of course, the Grand Trunk Road

    Far from being wiped out by colonial competition, actual numbers in the handloom sector remained stable throughout most of the colonial period, ending with the same number in 1947 as in 1750. Cheap yarn imports also freed weavers from being tied to regional spinning centres and enabled them to move closer to the ports, where they forged new links with mercantile houses, sowing the seeds of India’s own infant textile factories. India’s population increased from 170 million in 1750 to 425 million in 1947, a sure indicator of reduced famines and improved public health.

    Myth number four is that imperial trade was a one-way flow, with cheap Indian raw materials extracted to supply British industry. The Raj created a Subcontinent-wide single market or customs union, which would have been the envy of the European Union today and which hugely expanded both internal and foreign trading opportunities for Indian merchants. By the 1850s, a massive road-building programme by the East India Company had given Indian trade 2,600 km of newly metalled highways, including, of course, the Grand Trunk Road. By 1913, India also had the world’s largest canal system and its fourth largest rail network.

    This new transport revolution transformed agriculture and commerce by enormously speeding up flows of goods and price information. The railways lowered freight costs by as much as 90 per cent in the mid-19th century, compared with their predecessor, the bullock-cart. Based on the volume of freight traffic in 1900, the social savings brought by rail amounted to as much as Rs 1.2 billion or 9 per cent of national income. Detailed statistical studies at Cambridge University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) have demonstrated that railways raised real incomes by an average of 16 per cent in the districts they reached.

    India’s foreign trade also benefitted from British command of the seas. Imperial naval protection helped Gujarati merchants like the Khojas trade with East Africa and the Gulf, establishing business networks that still survive. The other hugely lucrative opportunity for Indian merchants was the British-protected China trade in tea, cotton, indigo, jute and, notoriously, opium. The wealth from such commerce found its way into new banks and joint stock companies, established on the basis of newly introduced Western- style company law, and fed infant stock markets. The managing agency system, later reviled by Indian socialists, allowed scarce managerial skills to be pooled across companies, while protecting them from hostile takeovers.

    From 1913 to 1938, Indian manufacturing output grew at an annual 5.6 per cent, well above the world average of 3.3 per cent and a growth rate we would welcome today

    By the 1850s, India’s own industrial revolution was taking off, fuelled by a virtuous economic circle of faster internal transport, increased commerce and agricultural productivity, rapidly expanding export markets and the resulting much-needed capital accumulation in an economy long starved of venture capital. Far from blaming colonialism, development economists now agree that India’s chronic capital shortage was largely due to geographical and climatic factors.

    If globalisation is defined as the capacity to buy the knowledge, goods and services one needs in global markets, the British Empire led the modern world in the first great wave of globalisation in the 19th century. India was at its heart and a major beneficiary of the new openness and cosmopolitanism. The Empire offered free movement of capital and labour and relatively free trade in goods. A Bombay mill-owner could set up with borrowed British capital and the latest machinery and skilled foremen from Manchester. India’s first cotton mills opened in 1851, preceding Japan by 20 years and China by 40. They were soon beating Manchester at its own game, supplying 76 per cent of India’s textile demand by 1945.

    Not surprisingly, thriving merchant communities strongly backed the Company during the 1857 revolt, and the smooth supply of crucial goods from the ports helped turn the tide against the rebels. According to economic historian Tirthankar Roy of the London School of Economics: ‘The Indian merchant saw the Raj to be a force working for the kind of capitalism in which they had built a stake, a better bet than the remnants of Mughal feudal warlords who led the other side.’ British Indian cities, thanks to public and private endowments, soon sported some of the world’s best municipal services and world-class educational and medical institutions.

    Far from becoming a dumping ground for British products, India maintained a trade surplus with Britain throughout the colonial period, and export earnings paid for the services bought in from abroad by both public and private sectors. True, 19th century British governments at home and in India were committed to economic laissez faire and free trade and did little to protect indigenous industries. Nevertheless, young Indian industries like textiles and steel were given tariff protection during the world depression in the 1920s. From 1913 to 1938, Indian manufacturing output grew at an annual 5.6 per cent, well above the world average of 3.3 per cent and a growth rate we would welcome today.

    From the 1920s, the colonial government made India’s railways buy their entire rail requirement from Tata Steel at Jamshedpur. By 1935, India produced 50 per cent of all the world’s steel made outside Europe, North America and Japan. Firms like Tata Steel profited enormously from government contracts during both World Wars; and these profits were ploughed into new industries like sugar and paper. Between 1850 and 1940, employment in Indian factories went from near zero to two million, while per capita output of industrial goods rose by one-third, hardly a mark of de-industrialisation. India’s per capita industrial output at independence was higher than anywhere else in Asia except Japan, and more than half its exports were manufactures, not raw materials.

    Myth number five is that British governments, companies and officers drained off India’s wealth through foreign remittances of their ill-gotten gains. The actual fact is that by 1913, colonial India had attracted an enormous and very welcome injection of £380 million (£23 billion in today’s money) as inward investment by British capital. In the same year, the so-called ‘Home Charges’, the money remitted back to Britain by government and private transfers, amounted to the comparatively tiny sum of £11 million. Economists recognise that all foreign capital comes at a cost of foreign remittances. Calculated as an annual return on British investments in India, the Home Charges amounted to an average of only 3.4 per cent, a far lower return than British capital could have earned in world markets at the time. Amounting to an annual average of only 1.5 per cent of India’s national income, such remittances were hardly a drain of resources.

    ‘The so-called drain,’ writes Tirthankar Roy, to whose research I owe many of these figures, ‘was also a payment for skills, and it is impossible to imagine an economy short of skills dealing with the world without having to buy skills from abroad.’ Ironically, World War II allowed India to reverse the flow of remittances, with the imperial government paying New Delhi handsomely for the deployment of Indian troops abroad. The result was that at independence, the Reserve Bank of India held the enormous sterling balance of over £1 billion (£36 billion in today’s money), a golden handshake if ever there was one.

  466. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    In fact, Britain’s policy was not to unite but to divide and rule.

    the colonialists partitioned the subcontinent into India and Pakistan.

    More BS and lies, to be destroyed by facts.
    Sly Tharoor is saying his normal BS. Before the British came, India was made of 600 warring states. THE BRITISH UNITED THE SUBCONTINENT.
    As far as India & pakistan, who not go to the Pakistanis asn ask their version fo the story.
    It was the Muslim League which wanted Pakistan, they felt that the Indian national Congress did not represent them. The Indian National Congress was dominated by upper caste Hindus.

    Dr. Ambedkar, leader of lower caste rights and the author of the Indian Constitution wrote

    “If there is any doubt about her dual personality, it has now been dispelled by the Resolution of the Muslim League demanding the cutting up of India into two, Pakistan and Hindustan, so that these conflicts and convulsions due to a dual personality having been bound in one may cease forever, and so freed from each other, may dwell in separate homes congenial to their respective cultures, Hindu and Muslim.
    It is beyond question that Pakistan is a scheme which will have to be taken into account. The Muslims will insist upon the scheme being considered. The British will insist upon some kind of settlement being reached between the Hindus and the Muslims before they consent to any devolution of political power. There is no use blaming the British for insisting upon such a settlement as a condition precedent to the transfer of power. The British cannot consent to settle power upon an aggressive Hindu majority and make it its heir, leaving it to deal with the minorities at its sweet pleasure. That would not be ending imperialism. It would be creating another imperialism. The Hindus, therefore, cannot avoid coming to grips with Pakistan, much as they would like to do.

    If the scheme of Pakistan has to be considered, and there is no escape from it, then there are certain points which must be borne in mind.

    The first point to note is that the Hindus and Muslims must decide the question themselves. They cannot invoke the aid of anyone else. Certainly, they cannot expect the British to decide it for them. From the point of view of the Empire, it matters very little to the British whether India remains one undivided whole, or is partitioned into two parts, Pakistan and Hindustan, or into twenty linguistic fragments as planned by the Congress, so long as all of them are content to live within the Empire. The British need not interfere for the simple reason that they are not affected by such territorial divisions.

    Further, if the Hindus are hoping that the British will use force to put down Pakistan, that is impossible. In the first place, coercion is no remedy. The futility of force and resistance was pointed out by Burke long ago in his speeches relating to the coercion of the American colonies.”

  467. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    partitioned the subcontinent into India and Pakistan.

    The British wanted a United India, partition was forced on them by the Muslim league
    From British parliament records Hansard
    https://api.parliament.uk/historic-hansard/commons/1947/jul/15/indian-independence-bill

    The President of the Board of Trade (Sir Stafford Cripps) said on the floor of the British parliament while discussing the INDIAN INDEPENDENCE BILL 15 July 1947

    “We take this action, not because it is forced upon us by circumstances outside our control, but because it is consistent with all that we hold to be just and right. It is true, as many have remarked in the course of our discussions on the future of India, that we would far rather have passed a Bill setting up a single united government for India as a whole. That has not proved possible and it is not the sole fault of any of us, Indians or Englishmen, that it has not proved possible. It is the inevitable outcome of a long history of difficulties and of tensions, of lost opportunities and human failures of which we have all had our share. None of us can point our finger at others and say, “But for you, all would have been well.” I am perfectly conscious myself in the small part I have played in these matters, that by greater wisdom and understanding at particular moments I might have made a better contribution to a united India, but it is of no profit now to review the past. This Bill will launch us into a new and, let us hope, a happier era.
    I have always held and often stated that we should never achieve true and worthwhile co-operation with India until we could deal with one another upon the basis of absolute equality. It is that equality which this Bill will establish for the first time. It will thus create a basis for a far deeper and more significant friendship between the peoples of our two countries. Some have thought in the past that we could hold India in close association with ourselves on some basis of modified domination. That is not possible, and to believe it shows a profound misunderstanding of all that is inherent in the democratic principles which we have spread throughout the world from this country. I am convinced, therefore, that this Bill will do more to create a real and living friendship with India than any other action which this country has ever taken.
    A great deal has been said in the course of the Debates on this Bill on the subject of the Muslim and Hindu communities and the difficulties resulting from their inability to co-operate, but let us not forget that there are other important elements in India besides these two communities. To name two, there are the Sikhs and the Pathans. In some ways the position is far more difficult for these two communities than for the two major communities. It is not practicable, short of the complete Balkanisation of India, which I think no one desires, to give to every individual community the complete and undiluted rights of self-government which the two major communities attain through this Bill. But that fact does nothing to diminish our care or anxiety that the Sikhs and the Pathans should receive the fullest measure of recognition for their racial and cultural differences. 229Both these people have shown restraint in their most difficult situation and we hope and believe that those to whom, by this Bill, we are now remitting power in Pakistan and India will do their utmost to admit the reasonable claims of these two splendid peoples who have contributed so much to the life of India.”

    Mr. R. A. Butler (Saffron Walden) said in the same session of parliament
    “It is always said that the most remarkable frontier affecting the British Commonwealth is that between the United States and Canada, where one can see no guard and where there are miles and miles of friendly contact. Those of us who know some of the difficulties and sorrows of the partitions that are taking place, and in particular those in the Punjab, will realise that it is too much to hope that there will be no unfriendly gestures, or no unfortunate skirmishing. But let us at least hope that, thanks to the Dominion relationship that will prevail between these two new Dominions, frontiers may be set up and observed which, in time, may be regarded as just as friendly as the famous frontier to which I have drawn the attention of the House. But we must remember that in the partition of the Punjab, which is the second partition, apart from the partition of India itself, we have left the Sikh community, to whom the right hon. and learned Gentleman made reference, almost exactly divided as between one side of the frontier and another.
    It is to be hoped that the boundary commission, on which the most serious responsibility will fall, will be able so to arrange the boundary that shrines and properties, and other things held dear to the Sikhs, may he amassed, as far as possible, in one area, provided that no violence is done to a proper division between Muslim and non-Muslim areas, in the same way, it is hoped that the partition of Bengal will so take place that the industrial welfare of the Eastern portion may not be prejudiced, and that access may be had to the sea through the port of Calcutta in some satisfactory manner.
    I cannot help feeling, although the partition of India appears violently necessary at the present time, that as history develops, certain contacts must be made between the two portions of India which have been divided, and that the conception of a greater whole will arise. I looked over many of the documents and papers which we had to study in the course of the preparation of the 1935 Act, those relating to communications, to railways, and, in particular, to the provision of water in one section of India to the other. Very often a water supply to the villages it has to serve may be divided by the frontier. In the question of finance, in all of these aspects some nexus will be necessary, and how that is to be invented is at present beyond the wit of man. Immediate arrangements have to be made before the appointed day. There is a violent hurry, and it is quite clear to any who have studied this matter scientifically at all that many of these great questions are left unsolved at the present time, and for some time in the future. I trust, therefore, that the relationship between the Governors-General and the Ministers of the various Governments may be friendly, and that matters to be decided, may be taken to the Arbitral Tribunal, which was mentioned yesterday in the course of our deliberations. I should like the Government to consider in another place whether the Arbitral Tribunal cannot be brought more into the picture, and whether they have given their final decision as to its inclusion in the Bill.”

  468. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    British systematically purged India’s riches

    India’s economy was growing under British Rule. Two million new jobs were created thanks to industrialization.

    , destroyed its institutions,

    How? you mean the brutal caste system? The British created great institutions which have helped millions of Indians.

    and created divisions among its peoples.

    The divisions were already there. the British united the population into a united whole.

  469. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    The suggestion that the East India Company and the Brits came to India to spread democracy and good-will is laughable on its face.

    Why so? How can you explain this then

    Some law passed in British India

    Bengal Sati Regulation, 1829
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_Sati_Regulation,_1829
    The Bengal Sati Regulation,[nb 1] or Regulation XVII, A. D. 1829 of the Bengal Code was a legal act promulgated in British India under East India Company rule, by the then Governor-General Lord William Bentinck, which made the practice of sati or suttee—or the immolation of a Hindu widow on the funeral pyre of her deceased husband—illegal in all jurisdictions of British India and subject to prosecution.

    Female Infanticide Prevention Act, 1870
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_Infanticide_Prevention_Act,_1870
    The Female Infanticide Prevention Act, 1870,[1] also Act VIII of 1870 was a legislative act passed in British India, to prevent murder of female infants. The Section 7 of this Act declared that it was initially applicable only to the territories of Oudh, North-Western Provinces and Punjab, but the Act authorized the Governor General to extend the law to any other district or province of the British Raj at his discretion.[2]
    The law authorized the creation of a police force to maintain birth, marriage and death registers, to conduct census of the district at its discretion, enforce a special tax on the district to pay for the expenses and entertainment of said police officers.[2] The Act also stipulated a prison sentence of six months or a fine of thirty thousand rupees, or both, on anyone who disobeyed or obstructed the police officers enforcing the Act.[4] Section 6 of the Act allowed the police officer to seize a child from any person he suspects may neglect or endanger any female child, as well as force collect a monthly fee from that person.[5]

    Hindu Widows’ Remarriage Act, 1856
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Widows%27_Remarriage_Act,_1856
    The Hindu Widows’ Remarriage Act, 1856, also Act XV, 1856, enacted on 26 July 1856, legalise the remarriage of Hindu widows in all jurisdictions of India under East India Company rule.[1]
    To protect what it considered family honour and family property, upper-caste Hindu society had long disallowed the remarriage of widows, even child and adolescent ones, all of whom were expected to live a life of austerity and abnegation.[2] The Hindu Widows’ Remarriage Act of 1856, enacted in response to the campaign of Pandit Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar,[3] provided legal safeguards against loss of certain forms of inheritance for a remarrying Hindu widow,[2] though, under the Act, the widow forsook any inheritance due her from her deceased husband.[4]Especially targeted in the act were Hindu child widows whose husbands had died before consummation of marriage.[5]

    Age of Consent Act, 1891
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Consent_Act,_1891
    The Age of Consent Act, 1891, also Act X of 1891, was a legislation enacted in British India on 19 March 1891 which raised the age of consent for sexual intercourse for all girls, married or unmarried, from ten to twelve years in all jurisdictions, its violation subject to criminal prosecution as rape.[1][nb 1] The act was an amendment of the Indian Penal Code and Code of Criminal Procedure, Section 375, 1882, (“Of Rape”),[nb 2] and was introduced as a bill on 9 January 1891 by Sir Andrew Scoble in the Legislative Council of the Governor-General of India in Calcutta.[2] It was debated the same day and opposed by council member Sir Romesh Chunder Mitter (from Bengal) on the grounds that it interfered with orthodox Hindu code, but supported by council member Rao Bahadur Krishnaji Lakshman Nulkar (from Bombay) and by the President of the council, the Governor-General and Viceroy Lord Lansdowne.[2][3][nb 3] While an 1880 case in a Bombay high court by a child-bride, Rukhmabai, renewed discussion of such a law, the death of an eleven-year-old Bengali girl, Phulomnee, due to forceful intercourse by her 35-year-old husband in 1889, necessitated intervention by the British.[4] The act was passed in 1891. It received support from Indian reformers such as Behramji Malabari and women social organisations. The law was never seriously enforced and it is argued that the real effect of the law was reassertion of Hindu patriarchal control over domestic issues as a nationalistic cause.

    Indian Slavery Act, 1843
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Slavery_Act,_1843
    The Indian Slavery Act, 1843, also Act V of 1843, was an act passed in British India under East India Company rule, which outlawed many economic transactions associated with slavery. The sale of any person as a slave was banned, and anyone buying or selling slaves would be booked under the Indian Penal Code, with offence carrying strict punishment

    Child Marriage Restraint Act
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_Marriage_Restraint_ActChild
    Marriage Restraint Act 1929, passed on 28 September 1929 in the British India Legislature of India, fixed the age of marriage for girls at 14 years and boys at 18 years which was later amended to 18 for girls and 21 for boys. It is popularly known as the Sarda Act, after its sponsor Harbilas Sarda. It came into effect six months later on April 1, 1930 and it applies to all of British India, not just to Hindus.[1][2][3] It was a result of social reform movement in India. The legislation was passed by the British Indian Government.[4]

    Hindu Inheritance (Removal of Disabilities) Act, 1928 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Inheritance_(Removal_of_Disabilities)_Act,_1928
    The Hindu Inheritance (Removal of Disabilities) Act, 1928 was enacted to abolish the exclusion from inheritance of certain classes of heirs, and to remove certain doubts regarding their ability to inherit property. The Act specifies that persons who are diseased, deformed or physically or mentally handicapped cannot be disqualified from their right to own or share joint-family property unless the law specifies otherwise.

    Punjab Land Alienation Act, 1900
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punjab_Land_Alienation_Act,_1900
    The advent of British rule in India had led to a trend whereby ownership rights to land were increasingly concentrated in the hands of urban moneylenders and other commercial communities among the Hindu population. They were assigned the property previously held by poor peasants, who either sold or mortgaged for the short-term benefit derived from the increasing values of land caused by improved agricultural methods, irrigation and communications. Such transfers were enforceable under law but, in British eyes, potentially damaging to their colonial administration because they might ultimately result in a disaffected rural peasant population. British law was effectively supporting the growth of a class of people — the new owners — that might prove detrimental to its own purpose. In addition, historian Kenneth Jones says that the transfers were contrary to British sentiments: “Not only did this development threaten the stability and peace of the Punjab, it also struck at the British self-image of benevolent and paternalistic protectors of the lowly peasant”.

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  470. Anonymous[645] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    The Koreans were defacto a subject state.

    What does SUBJECT STATE mean? “Subject” state based on established Confucian norms of foreign relations? In that sense, yes. Joseon Korea was “deferential” to (big brother) China. (At least in theory)

    But “subject” state as a colony, tributary (in the Western sense) or state stripped of sovereignty against its will — absolutely not. China did not interfere in Korea’s domestic affairs. Korea was left to itself. The relationship was often “ceremonial”.

    Is a 30yr old grown man “subject” to his father or “independent” of his father? Based on culture and norms, there are elements of both at play, the 2 not necessarily being exclusive of the other. One can be independent and “subject” (willingly) to one’s father. And often, that “deference” can be ceremonial or “appearance” in nature.

    As an Indian, do you have any comprehension of this? Or it’s all alien to you?

    And by the 20th century the native Americans were Americans.

    Yes, you ding-dong. No one is accusing “Americans” of “colonizing” Native Americans in the 20th century. That happened a long time ago.

    And they took a plebiscite among the Manchus and their descandents to check out if they wanted to be part of this new Chinese state.

    Are you a clown? By the 1900s, the Manchurians were “Chinese”.

    Ofcourse especially if ii is the Han absorbing territory of others. If it were Europeans it would have mattered. That is Han logic. LOL

    It doesn’t matter if it is VOLUNTARY. And when did Europeans do that?

    Europeans sired mongrels in the Americas. They didn’t voluntarily integrate with native Americans.

    You just overwhelmed a group with smaller population and their culture is not dominant anymore in their native lands. This is a classic case of colonialism.

    It’s not colonialism if EVERYONE is treated equally and assimilation is voluntary. When have Europeans treated EVERYONE equally in the Americans, Indias or other places they colonized?

    Are you mad, they are cruel to the Palestinians. And the flowers were blooming because of the British Empire who started giant commercial farms even before Israel was formed. They gave employment to scores of Arabs to the anger of the Jews. The Israelis just took credit for what the Brits started.

    I see. You’re just an Anglophile. If it were the Brits stealing Palestinian land, that would be wonderful.

    To the charge that colonizers bleed wealth from their colonies, Friedman notes that it has always cost the mother country more to maintain its colonies then what was ever received in direct or indirect economic benefit.

    So… the Brits established colonies around the world despite a net cost to itself?

    You don’t realize how that makes ZERO SENSE? It’s like Bezos crying that Amazon is costing him a ton of money. He’s losing money left and right.

    If its colonies did not aid the Brits in attaining/expanding wealth, then how did they achieve their great wealth and power?

    Why so? How can you explain this then

    So it is your contention that the East India Company and the Brits came to India to spread democracy and in good-will towards the Indian people? They were, first and foremost, concerned for the welfare of the Indian people, before profit, wealth and power?

    You are a very silly man.

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  471. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    But “subject” state as a colony, tributary (in the Western sense) or state stripped of sovereignty against its will — absolutely not. China did not interfere in Korea’s domestic affairs. Korea was left to itself. The relationship was often “ceremonial”.

    You are thickhead are you not. Check out post 397. that was all in theory but in practice it was very different.

    It’s not colonialism if EVERYONE is treated equally and assimilation is voluntary. When have Europeans treated EVERYONE equally in the Americans, Indias or other places they colonized?

    It is classic case of colonialism. Taiwanese native culture and ancestry is not dominant in taiwan and a foreign culture, Han is now dominant. That is colonialism.

    I see. You’re just an Anglophile. If it were the Brits stealing Palestinian land, that would be wonderful.

    You assume too much. And then look like an idiot.

    So… the Brits established colonies around the world despite a net cost to itself?

    You don’t realize how that makes ZERO SENSE? I

    Why? India spends more money on kashmir and makes from it. Why does the Indian government not give independence to kashmir? Why China not give independence to Tibet?

    You are a very silly man.

    All you makes is judgemental statements. You are cunning slimeball of a man. You have not explained why the British passed those laws. What did the British profit from those laws?

  472. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    If its colonies did not aid the Brits in attaining/expanding wealth, then how did they achieve their great wealth and power?

    Errr… something called the Industrial revolution.
    And you think the Brits were barbarians before their Empire?

    If you do not know who Ibn Khaldun was
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Khaldun

    Ibn Khaldun was an Arab historiographer and historian. He is claimed as a forerunner of the modern disciplines of sociology and demography.
    He is best known for his book, the Muqaddimah or Prolegomena (“Introduction”). The book influenced 17th-century Ottoman historians like Kâtip Çelebi, Ahmed Cevdet Pasha and Mustafa Naima who used the theories in the book to analyze the growth and decline of the Ottoman Empire. 19th-century European scholars also acknowledged the significance of the book and considered Ibn Khaldun as one of the greatest philosophers of the Middle Ages.

    Check out the book at

    https://archive.org/details/THEMUQADDIMAHVOLUME1

    At page 158-159 this Great Arab scholar writes

    There, a portion of the island of England is situated. It is a large, far-flung island which contains a number of cities and is the seat of a magnificent realm.

    This was written in the 12th century, a whole 400 years before the East India Company.

    Also the Great Arab scholar Ibn Jabyr writes during the Crusader States that Muslims live a far better life under European rulers than under their own Muslim Lords.

  473. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    OK explain to me what benefit did the British Government get by destroying the Pindaris.

    Pindaris were looting the peasants of India. No power in India whether Islamic, Sikh or Hindu could end or were interested in putting an end to the dacoit Pindaris who enjoyed looting poor Indian peasants even Hindu peasants, only the British did that.
    From
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pindari

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    The Pindaris were loosely organized under self-chosen leaders, and each group was usually attached to one or other of the Maratha leaders. Their main characteristic was that they received no pay, but rather purchased the privilege of plundering on their own account.
    They were accustomed to assemble every year at the beginning of November, and sally forth into British occupied territory in search of plunder. In one such raid upon the Masulipatam coast they plundered 339 villages, killing or wounding 682 persons, torturing 3600 and carrying off property worth a quarter of a million pounds. In 1808-09 they plundered Gujarat, and in 1812 Mirzapur. In 1814 they were reckoned at 25,000 to 30,000 horsemen.
    Lord Hastings, with the approval of the Court of Directors of the East India Company, decided to exterminate and eliminate the Pindaris. The approval was received in September 1816 and Hastings put into place a plan by the end of 1817. To begin with, he entered into an understanding with several other powers active in India, and then commenced precise military planning and preparations to encircle and eliminate all the Pindaris. This organized campaign, known as the Pindari War, became the Third Anglo-Maratha War.
    This was an elaborate military plan: to attack the Pindari forces from the north and east from Bengal, from the west from Gujarat, and from the south from the Deccan. Hastings committed 120,000 men and 300 artillery pieces to the command created and entrusted with the task to eliminate the Pindaris. The command consisted of the Northern Force, of 4 divisions under his personal command; the Deccan Force of five divisions under the command of Thomas Hislop with Sir John Malcolm as his principal lieutenant. The forces moved swiftly, and by January 1818, the Pindaris were expelled from the regions of the Malwa and the Chamba.
    The Pindaris were surrounded on all sides by the great army, which converged upon them from Bengal, the Deccan and Gujarat under the supreme command of Lord Hastings in person. Sindhia was overawed and forced to sign the treaty of Gwalior, consenting to aid in the extirpation of the Pindaris, whom he had hitherto protected. Since the Pindaris gave a portion of their loot to Maratha leaders, the Peshwa at Pune, the Bhonsle raja at Nagpur and the army of the infant Holkar of Indore each took up arms, but were separately defeated. The Pindaris themselves offered little opposition. The three strongest Pindari contingents were under the command of three leaders namely Karim Khan Pindari; Chitu Pindari and Wasil Muhammad Pindari.
    Karim Khan Pindari had tried to convince other Pindari leaders to join him in a plan for defense but disagreements among the Pindari leaders, particularly with Chitu Pindari, destroyed any hope of a concerted effort even in the face of the impending war with the British. With the arrival of the British, Karim Khan and Wasil Muhammad headed for Gwalior. Chitu Pindari joined Holkar’s forces in the meantime. Several engagements with the retreating Pindaris took place and despite defeating them, the British were unable to strike a decisive blow. All Pindari parties eventually returned south near their bases, with the British in close pursuit. During the last part of December, at the invitation of Jaswant Rao Bhau, Karim Khan Pindari had ridden north from Holkar’s camp, while Chitu Pindari had come west from Kota into the area around Jawar and Bayana. British forces surrounded them on all sides. Both Chitu and Karim Khan began moving south toward their bases at the Narmada. Chitu had evaded British troops and proceeded to the ghats. Chitu fled to Bhopal, where he tried to reach an agreement with the British through the Nawab. The British rejected his plans as too extravagant. As for Karim Khan Pindari, he too was hotly pursued. In February 1819 most of the Pindari leaders surrendered to the British authorities. Namdar Khan one such leader gave himself up on 3 February 1819, and Karim Khan Pindari surrendered to John Malcolm on 15 February 1819. Others gradually followed their example. Only Chitu Pindari had managed to elude capture. But eventually he fled to the jungle when deserted by his followers. Near the end of February 1819 his body was brought to the British; he had been attacked and killed by a tiger.

  474. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    And as far as colonialism in Africa, let a fellow Chinese explain everything to you in Chinese

    You were colonized by Europeans but you learnt nothing from them – Chinese man to Congolese
    The Chinese man accepts that Congo once had more advanced technology than even China thanks to the Belgians.

  475. Malla says:
    @Anonymous

    then how did they achieve their great wealth and power?

    If colonialism is what made Europe powerful explain how could Germany with a much small Empire became so powerful during WW1 so as to be seen as a threat by the British and the French? How could a Finland which had no colonies became so rich? How is it that the Spanish and the Portuguese who had such large empires were poorer countries of Europe only some decades back?
    Colonies played a very small part in the wealth of European countries. European countries became rich thanks to the Industrial revolution and having a highly productive workforce. Even of European countries would not have colonies they would have become rich and powerful anyways.

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  476. Anonymous[645] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Errr… something called the Industrial revolution.
    And you think the Brits were barbarians before their Empire?

    Colonies were an extension of industrialization in order to extract raw materials.

    The Chinese man accepts that Congo once had more advanced technology than even China thanks to the Belgians.

    The man isn’t morally defending colonialism. The man is pointing out lessons that should have been learned from it, even if colonialism on the whole is immoral.

    If colonialism is what made Europe powerful explain how could Germany with a much small Empire became so powerful during WW1 so as to be seen as a threat by the British and the French?

    Colonies are nodes in the supply chain necessary to feed industry.

    Germany was able to become wealthy because it did other things well and tapped into the supply chain maintained by others.

    How is it that the Spanish and the Portuguese who had such large empires were poorer countries of Europe only some decades back?

    Spain and Portugal grew rich initially raping the resources of the Americas. But because it failed to industrialized and use its capital wealth to improve itself, it eventually fell behind.

    Colonies played a very small part in the wealth of European countries. European countries became rich thanks to the Industrial revolution and having a highly productive workforce.

    You’ve got lentils for brains. Access to cheap resources makes the other things possible. But cheap resources by itself are just cheap resources.

  477. @tamo

    TAMO

    And I would lay odds you are a 20 year old Asian incel living at home with your mother who has never had a relationship or a full-time job.

    You couldn’t know. You’ve never traveled.

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