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Prevalence of Sub-Saharan, North African, and Levantine DNA among indigenous Europeans

I recently came across a very interesting study on the presence of African and Middle-Eastern genes among indigenous Europeans, performed by a dozen American and European academics. The article, entitled “Gene flow from North Africa contributes to differential human genetic diversity in southern Europe,” was published in July 2013 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America. While it is somewhat old, I believe the findings are still of interest to observers of Europe.

The authors write:

Human genetic diversity in southern Europe is higher than in other regions of the continent. This difference has been attributed to postglacial expansions, the demic diffusion of agriculture from the Near East, and gene flow from Africa. Using SNP data from 2,099 individuals in 43 populations . . . The gradient of North African ancestry accounts for previous observations of low levels of sharing with Sub-Saharan Africa and is independent of recent gene flow from the Near East. The source of genetic diversity in southern Europe has important biomedical implications; we find that most disease risk alleles from genome-wide association studies follow expected patterns of divergence between Europe and North Africa, with the principal exception of multiple sclerosis.

What is the opposite of “genetic diversity”? I suppose that would be “homogeneity” or even “purity.” Two thousands years ago of the Roman historian Tacitus notoriously claimed that the Germanic tribes were the “purest” race in Europe. More recently, the Nordicist racial theorist Madison Grant argued that there is no hard racial break between the “whites” of Europe and the swarthy Caucasians of the Middle East and North Africa.

The authors go on to say that the genetic differences largely corresponded to classic racial/ethnic categories and to estimate the prevalence of non-European DNA in these populations:

[T]he ancestry assignment differentiated between non-Jewish European populations (from now on referred to as “European”), European Jews, Sub-Saharan Africans, and a group formed by Near Eastern and North African populations. . . . Southern European populations have a high proportion (5–35%) of joint Near Eastern | North African ancestry . . . Southwestern European populations average between 4% and 20% of their genomes assigned to a North African ancestral cluster, whereas this value does not exceed 2% in southeastern European populations. Contrary to past observations, Sub-Saharan ancestry is detected at <1% in Europe, with the exception of the Canary Islands. . . . European ancestry is also detected in North African populations . . . it ranges between 4% and 16% in the rest of North Africa, with notable intrapopulation variation and is absent in most Maghrebi (western North African) individuals from Tunisia and Western Sahara.

Proportion of North African ancestry and estimated minimum time of North African gene flow into Europe
Proportion of North African ancestry and estimated minimum time of North African gene flow into Europe

The authors conclude:

We have shown that recent North African ancestry is highest in southwestern Europe and decreases in northern latitudes, with a sharp difference between the Iberian Peninsula and France, where Basques are less influenced by North Africa. Our estimates of shared ancestry are much higher than previously reported (up to 20% of the European individuals’ genomes). This increase in inferred African ancestry in Europe is due to our inclusion of seven North African, rather than Sub-Saharan African populations. Specifically, elevated shared African ancestry in Iberia and the Canary Islands can be traced to populations in the North African Maghreb such as Moroccans, Western Saharans, and the Tunisian Berbers. Our results, based on both allele frequencies and long shared haplotypes, support the hypothesis that recent migrations from North Africa contributed substantially to the higher genetic diversity in southwestern Europe.

This would obviously correspond to that little event known as the Islamic Conquests, which resulted in the extermination of Roman-Christian Middle East and North Africa. Spain and Portugal survived by the skin of their teeth with the Reconquista. (By the way, Spain has recently apologized for conquering Mexico some five centuries ago. You can bet it would never ever occur to Moroccans, or any other Arabs or Muslims, to apologize to Spain for the aggression of their ancestors.)

These findings should not undermine the case for European solidarity. In terms of ethnic-genetic interests, southern European immigrants generally represent a huge net gain compared to Sub-Saharan African, East Asian, or even Middle-Eastern ones. As the authors note, the presence of Sub-Saharan DNA among southern Europeans is practically negligible. And, obviously, today the presence in Europe of African and Asian genes is most prevalent in relatively-prosperous northwest Europe, due to the massive and ongoing arrival and high fertility of African and Asian immigrants.

The European regions with historically high North African and/or Middle-Eastern DNA have rather different socio-economic and political outcomes as compared with northwestern Europe. In some respects, such as clannishness, corruption, and administrative competence, they can be considered intermediary between northwest Europe and the Middle-East/North Africa. Things change much more rapidly than you might think as you get further and further away from the Hajnal Line (the European equivalent of Moynihan’s Law of the Canadian Border).

In terms of economic development, Portugal, southern Spain, southern Italy, and Greece are all economic laggards. Among the former communist countries, whose economic development has been deformed and retarded by decades of Marxist-Leninist misgovernment, the Balkan countries east of Croatia are by far the worst performers, while Czechia, Slovenia, and the Baltic states look set to converge with the west-European mean.

I have never met a person from the southernmost parts of Europe or the Balkans who expressed any hope their homeland would ever catch up in this respect. The more thoughtful of them dutifully go to conferences on how to fight corruption and misgovernment, on how they might “get to Denmark” as Francis Fukuyama says, and find few answers, at least for the foreseeable future.

Of course, it’s possible the correlation in the genetic and developmental differences between northern and southern Europe are purely coincidental. If some truth-loving oligarch would give me a few million dollars a year, I would happily set up a research institute dedicated to investigating society, psychology, and heredity, in Europe and elsewhere, complete with genome analysts, psychometricians, and real social scientists. Eventually, someone will have to do the work our current “academia” is unwilling to do.

In any event, as I’ve said elsewhere, I strongly suspect that Europe’s developmental inequalities are also due to typical centre-periphery dynamics (consider that the capital region of every European country is much wealthier than its other regions, there is no doubt a similar dynamic between European countries, with the caveat that this has not held back the small and peripheral Nordic countries, who if anything outperform their large German and British neighbors).

Politically, the developments in these regions are rather varied. My impression is Portugal is now simply leftist. In the case of Spain, the vote for the new nationalist party Vox was somewhat higher in the south of the country. In the case of Italy, the south has massively voted for the populist and ideologically-vague Five-Star Movement, which has enabled the nationalist (but until-recently anti-southern) League to lead a coalition government with them. The Greeks, in the midst of a devastating economic crisis as part of a currency union designed and dominated by northern Europeans, are the most ‘extremist’ voters in Europe, favoring the far-left (but disappointing) Syriza and the far-right Golden Dawn. In Bulgaria, nationalists are part of the government. While in Romania, the crooked ruling party of post-communist ‘social-democrats’ often resort to nationalistic rhetoric to shore up support.

In short, southern Europe is a factor for entropy and instability in this ultra-decadent European Union dominated by ethno-genetically suicidal northern Europeans. Let us hope the southern and eastern Europeans can help bring the northwest Europeans back to their senses.

 
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  1. trelane says:

    consider that the capital region of every European country is much wealthier than its other regions

    I always tell people the best strategy is to find a way to convert the public wealth to private wealth. It’s fundamental. Take the public wealth private. It’s how you get rich.

    • Replies: @Endgame Napoleon
  2. Mon avis says:

    That would explain why Southern Europe is so much more messed up than Northern Europe politically, socially and economically. However, if you look at the IQ, these countries are a lot closer to Northern Europe than their middle eastern or sub saharan cousins:

    Italy: 102 (this one always puzzles me, esp. Southern Italy, there’s just no way!)
    Netherlands: 100
    Finland: 99
    Sweden: 99
    Germany: 99
    France: 98
    Spain: 98
    Portugal: 95
    Greece: 92

    Israel: 95
    Turkey: 90
    Morocco: 84
    Syria: 83
    Libya: 83
    Tunisia: 83
    Egypt: 81

  3. @trelane

    There’s a lot of collusion between public & private monetary flows in the USA, more and more of it, and wealth is more concentrated than at any time since 1929. Public money is already flowing into a few private hands.

    Since the origins of Western civilization are in Greece and then Italy, with another key period of intellectual evolution occurring in Italy during the Renaissance, it is hard to believe that genetic configurations give Northern Europeans any kind of edge on civilzation.

    Taking the Northern Renaissance into consideration—and adding on points for the Enlightenment that was centered in England / France, plus the superior art culture of France—the Southern Europeans were still a major force.

    If you just judge people by money making and money management, sure, the widespread middle-class merchant culture thrived first in Northern Europe or in Holland, really. The Dutch turned out some decent art, too.

    • Agree: Z-man
  4. Bruno says:

    My mum is from Sevilla and Huelva. I discovered my mtDNA is subsaharian L2a1c(6?). I was astonished because she – and me – look very white : very white skin with blue veins, thin lips, nose etc. This mutation is most prevalent in Malta, Huelva, South Lisbonne (Minas do Sal) and northern Galicia. I wonder if it was Tartetian or Phoenician slaves.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
    , @Anonymous
  5. anon19 says:

    Europe must stop all non-whites from moving there.

    • Agree: Bruce County
  6. Anon[392] • Disclaimer says:

    southern Europe is a factor for entropy and instability in this ultra-decadent European Union dominated by (((ethno-genetically suicidal northern Europeans))). Let us hope the southern and eastern Europeans can help bring the northwest Europeans back to their senses.

    Give us a fucking break. I initially wrote “GMAFB” but a slightly more polite acronym seemed not to cut it.

    Modern “conservative” writers dancing around the feelings and interests of their “special” bosses (de facto or otherwise) love to pretend like WWII never happened and that most of our existence in Eurasia wasn’t variously running (from central Asia to Western Europe) or defending in wars as barely historically concealed proxies for racial conflict.

    Northern Europeans didn’t lose their racial war to the Jews and their golem nations who have been riding the wave of that victory ever since.

    Instead, Northern Europeans have merely become “genetically suicidal”. There are no outside nor inside hostile forces. Everyone is “free” and we live in true democracies. History never happened. Hitler’s claims in regard to what the Jews were doing weren’t true, in spite of the fact that exactly what he said is coming true today. Modern politics has zero historic context, even when that context is enthusiastically still today used as the largest continuing and overt bludgeon in the West.

    Again, give us a fucking break.

  7. Antares says:

    It doesn’t matter by whom you are being replaced.

  8. @Anon

    Thanks for your comment. I’ve written a lot about Jewish influence, particularly in France. While multiculturalist/Zionist Jewish elites are an important factor, I do not believe they have an outright stranglehold on politics, as compared with say the United States (where both the Democrats and the Republicans are extraordinarily dependent on Jewish money). In Europe, nationalists are also ostracized and persecuted by pious gentiles and it seems northern Europeans are the most prone to this. Of course, a lot of Jewish influence in Europe exists via “American” culture and foreign policy, and many gentiles have internalized multiculturalist values.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
  9. I’ve read that many White Americans have a small proportion of Black genes (and Native American) from the early days of settlement and slavery. How does this compare to the non-white proportion in Europe?

    • Replies: @Prodigal son
    , @FvS
  10. @Mon avis

    Durocher misunderstands the paper as far as I am concerned. He believes the genetics are what you find in N. Africa now. That is incorrect. Berbers were white in ancient times. The “blackness” you believe is a recent admixture. Same thing with the Egyptians they were much lighter in those times. They also have recent admixture. The Black Moors weren’t black! Most of them were white Arabs with a few minorities.

    Durocher’s entire premise is rather simplistic and ludicrous. In some form those areas were easier to raid because they were on the coasts. That makes more sense because the interior of the countries were a bit harder to get to.

    Also, the idea that you can accurately predict economic output from data of these countries especially places like Italy is nonsense. Italy’s has probably 30 to 40% monies in underground economies. The same thing is true of other countries also.

    • Agree: Alden
    • Replies: @utu
  11. I wonder … WHO … were the ” North Africans ” ? .. As far as genetic research reveals .. they were NOT “SEMITES” .. or “AFRICANS” in a modern sense … rather they were ..Ancient Europeans … until their GENETIC POOL later was DISPLACED or RAPED OUT by Semitic and African INVADERS … On top of that Semites have repeatedly attempted to Qonquer Southern Europe over time .. equally an opportunity to IMPLANT Genetic Material in Southern European INDIGENOUS Populations…. I am quite sure above 2 Mechanisms are the EXPLANATION for current Genetic Findings

  12. Anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    North Euros were justifying colonization as helping women’s rights stfu

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
  13. Anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mon avis

    Islam causes 5 point iq drop
    Cousin marriage another 5

    Now you can understand the historic prosperity and post Islamic poverty of those areas

    • Agree: Guillaume Durocher
    • Disagree: BengaliCanadianDude
  14. Franz says:

    Let us hope the southern and eastern Europeans can help bring the northwest Europeans back to their senses.

    Figure it this way:

    The peoples whose ancestors fought the Huns, Mongols, and Ottoman Turks have better survival odds than those who did not.

    Apart from a few strays, that is. Captain John Smith, later of Virginia, learned his skills killing Ottoman poo-bahs. Good for him. He learned plenty and plenty good.

    The Northwestern end of Europe and the British Isles have no genetic alarm bells for all that. Their derivatives in North America and the Southern Hemisphere… ditto.

    The lads who lifted the sword back-when will lift it again and win. The rest? Read Kipling and learn.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
  15. “You can bet it would never ever occur to Moroccans, or any other Arabs or Muslims, to apologize to Spain for the aggression of their ancestors.”

    What aggression? Their rule of Europe was willed by Allah, was always meant to be, which is why the re-reconquista is already under way.

  16. Tens of millions of white Europeans were captured (e.g. by Vikings in the British Isles) and sent in slave ships to the Middle East during the Islamic conquests from the 7th century onward. White slaves, particularly women (much like the Yazidi sex slaves) were valuable commodities in the Muslim Caliphate. The Balkans were particularly affected (the word ‘Slav’ means slave), and frequent attacks by Muslim pirates in the Mediterranean led to depopulation along the coastal areas, while millions of Muslims moved into Eastern Europe and Spain. The resultant mixed populations in these areas may partially explain some of the differences between Southern and Eastern Europeans who bore the brunt of the Muslim invasions, and their Northern counterparts who escaped relatively unscathed, thanks to Martel, Sobieski, etc.

    Christian Levant and Middle East remained prosperous and advanced until the advent of Islam. Islam, with its promotion of consanguinity (which damaged the gene pool); regressive social mores; distrust of innovation; poor agricultural practices, etc set the region back millennia and ushered in the ‘Dark Ages’.

  17. @The Muslim Impact

    The idiocy in your post is astounding. No slaves were taken from England to the middle east by Vikings and the majority of slaves taken to the Islamic world by them were male, valued for their aoldiery. The word “Slav” derives from Proto-Indo-European and means “people of the word” and “glory”. You are referring to the mistaken English translation in the middle ages (by people who had never met a Slav before).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs_(ethnonym)#Etymology

  18. utu says:
    @niteranger

    Durocher’s entire premise is rather simplistic and ludicrous. […]the idea that you can accurately predict economic output from data of these countries especially places like Italy is nonsense.. – I think Durocher should make his genotype available so we could find how much the nonsense he writes is genetically determined. Perhaps he really can’t help himself so we should not blame him too much. However if this was the case it was a mistake on part of French Republic to teach this machine to write. He could bake croissants and baguettes.

  19. @Franz

    Another braindead post. Germans fought an allied with Huns and actually mixed with them:

    https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2019/04/03/597997.full.pdf

    Three out of 4 samples in the small Karos3 cemetery belonged to Hg R1b1a1b1a1a1-U106 setting apart  this cemetery from all other groups, except for the Hun/2 sample which is the only other one with this Hg. Hg  U106 is considered a “Germanic” branch as it is most significant today in Germany, Scandinavia, and Britain, and  rare in Eastern Europe (Supplementary Table S4). Its ancestral branch Hg R1b1a1b-M262 is assumed to have  emerged in the Pontic-Caspian Steppe and arrived to Europe with Bronze Age migrations 26. Its presence in Hun  and Conqueror samples may derive from Goths, Gepids or other German allies of the Huns.

    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/03/barbarian-huns-dna-germany-migration-antiquity-skull/

    The researchers sequenced parts of the buried Bavarians’ DNA, and the entire genomes of 11 samples. Then they used the data to learn about the appearance, ancestral origins and health of the long-dead Bavarians. The men—likely farmers in small communities— looked pretty much alike. But many of the women didn’t look like the men. At all. It wasn’t just the skull modifications: While the men’s genes showed that they likely had blond hair and blue eyes, the women likely had brown eyes and blond or brown hair

    Looks were just the tip of the iceberg. The researchers compared the ancient genes to those of modern people and found some big differences between male and female.

    The men’s genes were similar to those of northern and central Europeans. The women with modified skulls, however, had a much more diverse set of ancestors. The majority matched up with southeastern Europeans like Romanians and Bulgarians, and one even had East Asian ancestors.

    East Germanic ancient DNA samples often have East Asian mtDNA lineages from Huns. NW Euros pretty much cucked the Huns.

    • Replies: @Aufklærer108
  20. Bruno says:

    In Spain, there was also a white slave trade – in reinos Taifas – called Saqalibas, and this trade was done by Jewish people . They were coming from regions corresponding to today Chekia and Croatia. Prague and Verdun were the marketplaces.

    I don’t know if Farrakhan has studied this documented Jewish slave trade in support of his theory of Jewish involvement in transatlantic trade business, as a previous peofesionnal experience.

    • Replies: @Alexis
  21. Realist says:
    @anon19

    Europe must stop all non-whites from moving there.

    Gee what a great idea, but it’s not happening. There are too many stupid Whites in Europe and the US.

    Democracies allow the stupid to vote and be elected. Obviously not the case in dictatorships.

  22. Realist says:
    @Mon avis

    This source ranks Italy at 97 for average IQ, much more believable.

    https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

    • Replies: @Alden
  23. “2099 individuals in 43 populations” sounds like far too few people, even if selected according to the beat principles, to give accurate results. Would some professional statistician care to comment?

  24. Anonymous[287] • Disclaimer says:
    @SafeNow

    Uhm, there was a decent incident were Norwegian “Veekang” frigate hit the tanker and sink down, but i guess superior race doesn’t like to mention that one.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/17/europe/norway-navy-sunken-frigate-scli-intl/index.html

  25. homahr says:
    @The Muslim Impact

    Whites still sell their own women to rich Arab pedophiles from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states to be raped.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  26. Anon[703] • Disclaimer says:

    Every spring, I set up a computer to continously play live streams of the storks nesting in central Alcala de Henarez, a suburb located 50 km away from Madrid, centered around a multisecular university. This spring, I could not hear the bus departing every 15 minutes, nor the cathedral bells ringing past 10 PM. Googling, I learned that the local council made some changes with a view to make the city “more European”.

    I happen to think that probably 90% of EU towns are “less European” than Alcala, if we define “European” as tradition, Christianity, focus on learning, and, why not, jamon. And yet, there people still of themselves as inferior in “Europeanity” to others (possibly Germans?).

    This is why Southern Europeans think they will never reach the same “levels” as Northern Europeans. Ask them precisely what they are missing, and you will hear hear either misconceived metrics (higher salaries) or outright lies (better healthcare). I think that the stupid way in which Nordics do not complain about anything creates this idyllic misperception, but ask any Southern person who lived one year in Northern France if they ever want to return. If it’s not enough, repeat with exilees in “prosperous” Finland.

    Your explanation failed because you got your facts wrong. The economic map shows a belt of deprivation from the Baltic Sea to the Med. The genomic maps show the least Subsaharan and North-African DNA in Eastern Europe, north of Greece. In Poland, even the third external DNA, Middle Eastern, is at its lowest level. In contrast, mongrelization covers half of Germany and half of France. There is no decent overlap between economy and genetics, because genetics-relevant invasions came from the South, and economy-relevant invasions came from the Soviets.

    • Replies: @Republic
  27. Z-man says:

    Funny but it’s Italians that are stemming the invasion of third world-ers to Europe now. So much for Northern European ‘intelligence’.

    • Replies: @Thulean Friend
  28. @The Muslim Impact

    This is pseudointellectuallism at its peak

  29. @Anonymous

    We Wuz Vee-Kangzz N Shieeet

    Or the Muh Nordic Master race variant

  30. Republic says:
    @Anon

    Alcala de Henarez

    what are the demographics in your place?

  31. @Sam Coulton

    While the men’s genes showed that they likely had blond hair and blue eyes, the women likely had brown eyes and blond or brown hair

    NW Euros pretty much cucked the Huns.

    So @Franz:

    The peoples whose ancestors fought the Huns, Mongols, and Ottoman Turks have better survival odds than those who did not.

    has it basically right?

    How do you think the female Huns ended up with the male locals? It’s not exactly cuckholding when you kill the males first, is it?

    • Replies: @Franz
    , @Sam Coulton
  32. @Z-man

    The people stemming the invasion were Hungarians and other EEs in 2015-16. Italy didn’t get its act together until most of the storm had already passed.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Z-man
  33. Anon[785] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    Paris, from beauty to ugly.

  34. anonymous[181] • Disclaimer says:

    The real problem with Europe is not the incoming hordes of the present day, nor the pious gentiles of Northern Europe who enable them. The real problem with Europe is the several hundred-year-old admixture from Al-Andalus (which included many architects, scientists, physicians, inventors, philosophers, etc). Nice to see that someone who is so concerned about Europe’s future has his priorities in order.

    • Replies: @jbwilson24
  35. Mon Avis says:

    I’ve often wondered if the Medici family who ruled Florence during the Renaissance may have been at least in part Jewish. They were wool merchants who were also known for their banking acumen, and they were a pretty corrupt family.

    In fact, it makes a lot of sense if the Greeks and Italians have a lot of Jewish admixture. They are as dishonest, aggressive and corrupt as the Jews. They also bear a lot of resemblance physically, I often can’t tell apart an Italian or Greek from a Jew or a Turk. I can also believe that the Portuguese have a lot of Sub Saharan admixture. They were the first to discover Africa. It would also explain how they went from a colonial power to the poorest country in Western Europe today. And the Spaniards definitely have a lot of admixture with the Moors who were Northern African/Arab Muslims.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @anonymous
  36. @Anonymous

    “North Euros were justifying colonization as helping women’s rights stfu”

    Thanks for your witty and erudite comment.

    Exactly what colonization are you talking about? European colonization in Africa and the Middle East is relatively recent, while Islamic colonization goes back 1400 years. There is simply no comparison in terms of the impact.

    As for women’s rights, Middle Eastern and African nations (also South Asia) are cesspools, plain and simple.

    The original comment stands. The analysis above ignores the movement of peoples as a form of warfare and control. Flooding in members of incompatible groups is a strategy, something Hitler and others remarked upon in noticing how Jewish interests were bringing blacks into the Ruhr valley.

    Sometimes it happens naturally, sometimes it is an outright invasion (e.g., the Mongols), but often it is a way of setting up ‘divide and conquer’.

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Anonymous
    , @Corvinus
  37. @anonymous

    “The real problem with Europe is not the incoming hordes of the present day, nor the pious gentiles of Northern Europe who enable them. ”

    Oh, the hordes are a very real problem that promises to put the lights out in western europe within 40 years. Already, 1/2 of all boys in Sweden aged 1-10 have a foreign background, and girls in that age demographic are outnumbered 130 to 100. So within 15 years Sweden will have a crop of highly aggressive foreign 16-25 year old males who are going to be up to no good.

    Let’s not even mention the areas that the police can’t go anymore without permission from the local Imams.

    “The real problem with Europe is the several hundred-year-old admixture from Al-Andalus (which included many architects, scientists, physicians, inventors, philosophers, etc).”

    If you are referring to the Jews who fled Spain, there were precious few philosophers or scientists among them. the Jewish contribution to science was minimal until the mid 19th century. Apart from Spinoza, most of their ‘philosophers’ were muttering racists nutjobs like Maimonides. Spinoza wasn’t exactly popular in his own community either.

    The fact is that the Jewish contingent aided the Muslims in invading Spain. You can find this in any number of books on the topic. After the Christians regained control, the Jews moved out and took control over other European territories through their domination of commerce and international trade. They also set up all the slave plantations in the New World, although I realize it is a hate crime to mention it.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  38. @Guillaume Durocher

    “..while multiculturalist/Zionist Jewish elites are an important factor, I do not believe they have an outright stranglehold on politics, as compared with say the United States (where both the Democrats and the Republicans are extraordinarily dependent on Jewish money).”

    You’ve got to be kidding. Virtually all of the English upper class is Jewish or mixed-race Jewish (mischlinge). The Jews completely dominate the financial system, international businesses, etc, and they have done so for centuries. No other country has given them a city-state within a sovereign nation in which the nation’s laws don’t apply. Just google ‘city of london’.

    On immigration, look up New Labour, the Milibands, Barbara Roche, etc. Who do you think owned the mills that started importing rapacious Pakistanis in the 50s?

    “In Europe, nationalists are also ostracized and persecuted by pious gentiles and it seems northern Europeans are the most prone to this. Of course, a lot of Jewish influence in Europe exists via “American” culture and foreign policy, and many gentiles have internalized multiculturalist values.””

    Jewish influence in Europe exists through ‘american culture’?? So Foucault, Derrida and the entire weight of ‘French’ post-modernist thought has less influence within France than American culture? Just about the only major non-Jewish, European cultural marxist that I can think of is Habermas.

    Sure, there are a lot of pious gentiles, but their worldview is largely shaped through media, academia, think tanks, and other entities in which gentiles are massively under-represented. I would check out E Michael Jones’ talk on the way that Germans post WW2 were subjected to propaganda designed to encourage sexual deviance and to undermine the family. That sort of thing forms the attitudes and beliefs that those ‘pious gentiles’ then act upon.

  39. utu says:
    @The Muslim Impact

    The subject of slavery for Muslim run by Jews in Europe does not get traction. Not many historians want to study it. It was a continues process from earli Middle Ages to 18 century.

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/ukraine-elections-2019/#comment-3137435
    What I mean is the slave trade and slavery taking place in Europe and lasting the longest in the Slavic lands. Slavic historians do not like to dwell on it for several reasons: (1) The national pride is the main thing. Apparently they haven’t discovered the benefit of the victimhood ticket that being and ex slave could give you that Jews for instance have no shame still cashing for the slavery ticket in Egypt and Babylon that allegedly occurred several thousands years ago. (2) Also because of the magnitude of it was huge and all local warlords were involved and profited from it greatly. No different than the local tribal chiefs in costal Africa after 15 century. They were the true extractive elite that the Polish Perspective guy likes to bring up in some other economic contexts and meanings. (3) And finally and most importantly because the slave trader were mostly Jewish and their network extended from Middle East, North Africa to Ireland through Eastern Europe to China. One may say that the final stop was put to this network when Catherine the Great conquered Crimea for Russia in 18 century. Nobody has clean hands when it come to the slavery along the coast of Black Sea after the 15 century. Everybody not just Jews was involved: Tatars, Turks, Armenians, Greeks, Karaites (non Talmudic Jews)…

    There is one Czech historian (Dušan Třeštik) who does some work on it and tries to figure out exact economic impact and the scale of it. Prague was one of the main slave trade centers and all glorious early real and legendary Bohemian Kings were involved in it even beyond when Christianity was adopted. The same goes for Polish rulers from Piast dynasty and whoever there was before them. Despite of Papacy edicts against slavery it persisted however certainly Christianity eventually put stop to it and had the civilizing effect by forbidding first the enslavement of Christians which impeded the local rulers from raiding each other for the slaves and also promoted the spread of Christianity.

    I think that in this age of victimhood instead of emphasis on the glories and victories and which of the little countries have the baddest sheep guard dog people in Eastern Europe should go with the program and began to emphasize their common.victimhood from the hand of the first globalizers which were Radhanite Jews working for all kids of masters and especially for Muslims. And as far as Blacks our message to them is: we feel for you, Brothers. We were as much slaves as you were and even worse because they did not castrate you and we are recovering form the impact and trauma just like you and will ask just like you for reparations as soon as we figure out whom could we squeeze out. In the meantime you stay in Africa because we are still in the post slavery recovery process and are not ready to accept you. But we will think of you as Brothers in slavery and will be sending you post cards on every MLK day.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/the-gay-jewish-confederate-leader-without-a-statue-to-tear-down/#comment-1978586
    Prominent role of Jews in slavery should not be surprising. Jews developed the know-how of slavery business long before Europeans entered it in 16 century on the Western African route. Jews unlike Brits, Dutch and Spaniard had a long history being involved in slavery, at leasts as far back as early Middle Ages. The Jewish slavers travelled throughout Europe buying slaves to be delivered to Muslim Spain, Northern Africa and Middle East. The main slave markets of Medieval Europe were in Prague, Lyon and Venice. Slaves were brought from Central and Eastern Europe and other per-Christian parts. Slavery of pagans was not directly prohibited by Church but many Christians were enclaved as well. The Catholic Church as it was strengthening its political power was limiting this practice but money must have been really good because the laws agains slavery were violated. In Europe there were no Muslim slavers because they were not allowed to travel in Christian Europe. So the job was done by Jews. In Prague there was a certain priest who was an activist against slavery. He was however chased out and had to seek refuge in Poland where he later was killed by pagan Prussians in 997. He later was canonized and called St. Adalbert. In 12 century bronze doors illustrating his life was erected in Gniezno Cathedral in Poland. Out of 18 panels two show his activities against Jewish slavers:

    Panel 7: He has a vision of Christ telling him to save Christians from slavery by the Jewish traders.
    Panel 8: He pleads with the Duke of Bohemia for the release of Christians slaves by their Jewish masters.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gniezno_Doors

    After the consolidation of power by Catholic church and Reconquista of Iberian peninsula slavery of Europeans was eliminated from the European continent. However there was an active slavery center in Crimea where mostly Slavic, Balto-Slavic and slaves from Finland were traded to Ottoman empire. Istanbul, Bagdad, Damascus and Cairo were full of Slavic slaves. Again Jews played prominent role in this slavery route though the actual procuring of slaves by kidnaping was done by Tartars. Finally Catherine The Great put stop to this practice when she conquered Crimea and annexed it to Russia in 18 century.

    It should not be surprising that when West African slavery route to the New World was opened in 16 century Jewish role (as Jews or Marranos) was very prominent. They were dealing with Muslims and Arabs in this business for at least 1000 years.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Alden
  40. Republic says:

    I would check out E Michael Jones’ talk on the way that Germans post WW2 were subjected to propaganda designed to encourage sexual deviance and to undermine the family

    .

    Great insight from Jones, he exposes the massive social engineering that has taken place in Germany since WW II.

  41. anon[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @utu

    What I mean is the slave trade and slavery taking place in Europe and lasting the longest in the Slavic lands. Slavic historians do not like to dwell on it for several reasons: (1) The national pride is the main thing. Apparently they haven’t discovered the benefit of the victimhood ticket that being and ex slave could give you that Jews for instance have no shame still cashing for the slavery ticket in Egypt and Babylon that allegedly occurred several thousands years ago.

    the problem is the jew controlled media isn’t interested in reporting on whites as victims

    any whites attempting to portray themselves as real victims would be met with the usual scorn and derision

  42. songbird says:

    I wonder how post-reconquista Spain compares to pre-invasion Spain.

  43. anon[392] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mon Avis

    is the “Roman nose” a jewish nose?

  44. utu says:
    @Thulean Friend

    The people stemming the invasion were Hungarians

    Perhaps one day we will learn the full story how Orban decided to build the fence long before the marching columns of ‘refugees’ consisting of young men were sent from Turkey to Europe. Who was behind cutting UN funding to refugee camps in Turkey? And what role played Netanyahu who was on great terms with Orban. It was a very interesting time. Syria was collapsing yet Obama was not giving the green light for the no-fly zone to finish off Assad as they did Gaddafi. Obama was ratifying the deal with Iran which all neocons and Netanyahu hated and wanted to derail at any cost. And Trump in his first speech (mid June, 2015) while announcing running for president talked about the wall and some invasion and painted gory pictures of what may happen on the border. Putin was preparing to intervene in Syria and was building force there. And then we saw pictures from Hungarian borders just as Trump painted them for the Mexican border. Europeans were expected to do something about Syria. Bomb it or something. At least that’s what Netanyahu wanted. Attacking Iranian troops in Syria would kill the hated deal with Iran. But it did not happen. Because Merkel in aikido move dissipated the tension by giving in and opening borders together with Austria. The tragic scenes on Hungarian borders disappeared from news because the marching columns went to Austria and Germany And then 20 plus days later Russia began bombing but not Assad forces and Iranian troops but rebels and ISIS. And the deal with Iran was ratified. Netanyahu lost this time.

    Was Orban fence to save Hungary or rather to create tension that would lead to intervention in Syria to repeat the Libyan scenario? Did Merkel and Putin derail this plan of Netanyahu?

  45. anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @jbwilson24

    Oh, the hordes are a very real problem that promises to put the lights out in western europe within 40 years. Already, 1/2 of all boys in Sweden aged 1-10 have a foreign background, and girls in that age demographic are outnumbered 130 to 100. So within 15 years Sweden will have a crop of highly aggressive foreign 16-25 year old males who are going to be up to no good.

    Sounds pretty dire. I wonder why it is then that Mr. Durocher spends so much time worrying about a small bit of admixture in Southern Europeans, instead of focusing on something that is actually relevant, such as the situation in Sweden and the rest of Northern Europe. He seems strangely fixated on this and similar topics. He is probably just another Murray.

    • Replies: @utu
  46. Franz says:
    @Aufklærer108

    Aufklærer108 —

    You got it here:

    It’s not exactly cuckholding when you kill the males first, is it?

    Sam Coulton seems one of those folks who reads history but don’t get it.

    The Americas have an abundance of history of Spanish conquistadors killing tons of natives but raping the women and letting them live. This gives us a large Mestizo population, a people who can be highly ethnocentric when they want to. When penetrating a non-Mestizo population in the USA, they are greatly capable of working in packs.

    Anthony Wayne killed most of the Shawnee in Ohio during Washington’s presidency, but some white settlers took Shawnee brides and some of their progeny have served in the US armed forces in wartime. They took their conquerors values, which is to say they favor their paternal heritage.

    Ottoman Turks held plenty of my ancestors territories. Just like the Mongols held parts of what became Russia. I certainly have a dollop of Turkic blood, no different from the US Naval Flight Officer I know who has enough Cherokee blood to notice physically.

    We take after our daddies who won.

    • Replies: @Sam Coulton
    , @Adam
  47. @obwandiyag

    By vandals you mean non raping, robbing, murdering, boot lipped, mud hut dwelling, disease spreading, spear hunters and bushmen..then yes Vandals.

  48. utu says:
    @anonymous

    “I wonder why it is then that Mr. Durocher spends so much time worrying about a small bit of admixture in Southern Europeans […] He is probably just another Murray.”. – Exactly. Useless POS.

  49. Z-man says:
    @Thulean Friend

    Better late then never, better than the French or Germans. Italy paid the price of the Anglo/French/Zionist destruction of Libya in the period ’15-’18 but are quickly regaining control even with the ‘Globalist shit-lib beast’ attacking them.

  50. It’s certainly true that Italians (especially south of Lombardy) are much more culturally similar to Arabs than they are to NW-Europeans.

    NW-Euros just seem to have this inability to work in a pack. It’s hyper-individualism, combined with Jewish brainwashing and a “suck it up” mentality that is leading us to disaster. Most NW-Euros are just unwilling to face the facts that they are losing their countries, and will likely be genocided in the coming decades/centuries.

    Italians are highly clannish and racist, which is a good thing. But they need to have more babies. At a 1.25 TFR, they will be outbred whether they let in more migrants or not. I do believe that insane NW-Euros need to be saved from ourselves though. We just don’t have the danger perception it seems. We assume everyone is high trust. Ideally, our EE and Southern Euro brothers will do it for us benevolently. If they don’t then we will be “saved” from ourselves by hostile invaders.

    History is not kind to weak people.

  51. @Z-man

    Italy is chalk full of negroes hanging around. A number of Bangladeshis and other Pakis too. It’s a damn good thing they got a handle on the border when they did, because I felt that the country is balancing right at its tipping point. A few more negroes/arabs and they gain control.

    The negroes will now either slowly dissipate into the rest of Europe, or be deported. A higher fertility rate among Italians is also crucial, a question of racial survival. Salvini literally stopped the bleeding just in time.

    One thing of note about Italians is that foreign groups living in Italy are not necessarily as big of an issue as it would be in NW-Europe. Italians are highly clannish and do not allow out-groups in very easily. So while there may be some Pakis living in Italy, they are never going to make in-roads to become an important community (as long as Italians don’t breed themselves out of existance through low birth rates). Foreigners know their place in Italy.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  52. Alexis says:
    @Bruno

    This is what the jewish marxist Abraham Leon wrote in ch 2 (“From antiquity to the Carolingian epoch:The period of commercial prosperity of the Jews”:
    “But their great specialty … was their trade in slaves.”
    https://www.marxists.org/subject/jewish/leon/ch2b.htm
    Make a search for “slave” on this page.

  53. Shamil says:

    “By the way, Spain has recently apologized for conquering Mexico some five centuries ago. You can bet it would never ever occur to Moroccans, or any other Arabs or Muslims, to apologize to Spain for the aggression of their ancestors”

    The author thinks he has a point here. Not really. Spaniards should apologize because their conquest resulted in the extermination of many indigenous populations and utter destruction of their cultures. The Muslims didn’t not exterminate or forcefully drive populations out. They simply merged them in the new empire without forcefully converting them. In fact the Muslims adapted the indigenous cultures with more skill than the Spaniards.

    Please don’t misrepresent history here. This is Unz Review not some NRA forum.

    • Agree: BengaliCanadianDude
    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Alden
    , @Peter Frost
    , @anon
  54. Alden says:
    @jbwilson24

    By blacks do you meant the African colonial troops the French occupation after WW1 used in the Ruhr Valley?

  55. Anonymous[422] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bruno

    It was Blacked.com

  56. Alden says:
    @utu

    Florence, Lady Baker, is a good example of slavery in S East Europe as late as the 19th century. I read her biography by Pat Shipman, The discovery of the Nile by Lady Florence Baker. She was Lady Baker, not Lady Florence actually

    She was born in the early/mid 1840s somewhere in S Eastern Europe. It’s unclear where. Her English descendants claim Hungarian nobility; but who knows? By 3 or 4 she was living in a compound owned by an Armenian family. She assumed she was an adopted daughter. She and the many other girls were well educated in music dance languages dressmaking, all the pretty lady skills. The boys in the compound meanwhile were learning all sorts of skilled crafts.

    When she was 14, she was informed she was a slave and old enough for sale. An adventuring Englishman on his way to the Middle East, Sir Samuel Baker, was at the auction and bought her. They went on to explore Egypt and the Middle East and married.

    She was bought by a wealthy English man who brought her back to England and married her. There were other European girls and boys sold in that 1859 auction. The slave dealers who acquired young children and raised them for sale were Christian Armenians.

    Some areas in S France on the Mediterranean coast and up the rivers were de populated for centuries because people moved inland and to the mountains to escape the Arab Turkish slave raiders.

    The wall around the Vatican was put up in 800 AD because Muslim Arabs were marauding around up and down the Tiber.

    A Spanish man told me Barcelona was a major center for the shipment of Irish Scots Scandinavian and even Iceland girls to the Harems and brothels across the Med. Turks even raided Greenland for women.

    • Agree: utu
  57. Alden says:
    @Shamil

    600 AD the Middle East, N Africa, Persia Anatolia were among the wealthiest and most civilized places on earth.

    A few hundred years of Muslim rule destroyed those civilizations and they haven’t recovered in more than a thousand years and never will recover.

    Spain destroyed mass human sacrifice and other things and preserved the rest of indigenous culture and peoples. Just look at Latin American peoples. There are far more indigenous people than Whites.

  58. RI says:
    @The Muslim Impact

    The word “Slav” means “Glory”.

  59. Alden says:
    @Shamil

    NRA has nothing to do with history. It’s a business lobby to protect its industry and promote the sale of its products moron.

    The people of Spain weren’t peacefully converted and enjoyed life under Islam. They spent 800 years driving Islam out of Spain. Same in S E Europe, about 1,300 years fighting off Muslims. Same with China and India. No one wanted a Muslim conquest.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  60. @TelfoedJohn

    Not too “many” white Americans have Black ancestry. Less than 5% of whites have any Black ancestry, and the Black ancestry they have among this small group of whites is less than 2%.

  61. @anon19

    You should. But big poppa BDC is visiting the whole “mandem” in Brussels next month! Woop woop!

    • Troll: anon19
  62. @Alden

    A few hundred years of Muslim rule destroyed those civilizations and they haven’t recovered in more than a thousand years and never will recover

    Not really no.

  63. @Alden

    Yet Nobody Wanted Anglos and other colonial powers in their lands yet you didn’t care. Double standards and hypocrisy? yes. Mughal India-25 percent of Global GDP.

    British rule concludes- oh its tiny.

    The industrialization of the UK=deindustrialization of the Bengal.

    All that gold looted from the South American countries.

    All the conquests.

    The starvations.

    The Mass killings.

    Christianity spread to the Phillipines by conquest and force, for example.

  64. Alden says:
    @Realist

    Most of the rankings do put Italy at 102.

    • Replies: @Realist
  65. @Alden

    The Middle East, or many countries within have recovered. Have you been living in a cave? Oil wealth blah blah, they are still up there.

    Iran has many fantastic Islamic monuments and whatnot, like the NAQSHEJAHAN Garden, or the Eram garcden, Golestan Palace or the Khaju bridge. The culture was preserved by the Muslims. And its hard to “recover” when you are being sanctioned and threatened by Israel’s Dog America.

    Islam hasn’t destroyed any of these civilizations. The first university in the world WAS IN ISLAMIC MOROCCO, in FEZ, the University of Kaureen. Not interested in your revisionistic history, sweetheart.

    The Casbahs of Algiers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casbah_of_Algiers

    I actually don’t want to bother anyways, there are plenty.

    The Ottoman Empire was one of the World’s greatest empires

    France killed ONE POINT FIVE MILLION algerians during the WAR OF INDEPENDENCE. What is that, about 10 percent of the population then?

    How very civilized……Very indeed. Aren’t we all happy… /sarcasm

    Where does this “high ground” come from? Are you kidding me? Your forefathers go around the globe looting people and you have the nerve to say the things you say?

    Where do you get the audacity? Quite laughable really.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Anonymous
  66. @Z-man

    They still haven’t paid for what they did to Libya….

    I smile in glee when I see the SorosShips (TM) full of rabid Subsaharans land in Italy. It fills me with joy to see all of these rapacious blacks in the Paris Metro, or the ones in Rome begging by the fountains all the time, with their gypsy friends.

    The Haitians in Quebec are quite violent too. They have an insatiable thirst for violence, and stealing.

    Actions have consequences. Youse(france, italy, the rest of the ziopigs) should never have done what they did to Libya.TSK TSK.

    • Replies: @Z-man
  67. @homahr

    Agree button already used. Russian women have quite the reputation, and British backpackers are very careless in their sexual endeavours and they are quite open, and easy to get. One wink and a smile and she’s all yours…..

    Before they blame the rest of us, they should try to stop their daughters and sisters and wives from going to the ME to be gloryholed by Sheikh Whatever Bin Makhtoum and the rest of his newly pubescent men with strong urges given by their recent hormonal activity. I would fret more on their own women selling themselves out in Johor more than anything.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @annamaria
  68. Z-man says:
    @UrbaneFrancoOntarian

    Unfortunately Salvini hasn’t been able to kick out as many of those worthless negroes that most Italians want because of the pressure from the leftist media & judicial system and even the President of Italy and the Pope (anti-Pope).

  69. Z-man says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Moron, Italy did very little to overthrow Gheddafi but paid the price of the Anglo/French/Zionist Cabal.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  70. anonymous[324] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mon Avis

    The idea that many Italians and Greeks have genetic commonality with Sephardic Jews makes sense but it’s probably more that the Italians and Greeks genetically influenced the Jews much more than the other way around considering the numbers that moved around the Roman Empire. The lighter skinned Jews (Ashkenazi) had different origins (Khazar?) and didn’t know about the existence of the Sephardic Jews until the two met in Holland in the 1600’s.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  71. @Alden

    Moorish Spain was a modern glorious civilized, well-bathed place while the rest of Europe was wallowing in filth and pitiful ignorance. You know nothing of history.

    • Agree: BengaliCanadianDude
    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @RI
  72. songbird says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    The starvations?

    India wouldn’t have one-tenth of its current population, except for the millions of tons of food aid Europeans have sent to it over decades, as well as the vast agricultural advances made by Europeans, including nitrogen fixation, and the breeding of crops with much higher yields. Not to mention the mechanization of agriculture.

    And that is even leaving out vaccines and germ theory.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  73. @BengaliCanadianDude

    BENGALI…Longtime Dubai and Indian expat here in Dubai since 1999 (When you were 5)

    Actually a Sikh-Canadian chubby girl married to Daniel the wannabe musician I knew in Kerala takes that prize. I knew him (And her) years before BIG BOSS and we met in Cochin in 2008.

    [MORE]

    Later, Daniel hooked up with me in Andheri. We drank and played pool together once AFTER his chubby Sarnia-born Sikh wife got on BIG BOSS.

    Brits can obtain welfare overseas unlike Americans, so it makes sense for people like Scarlet Keeting to move to India where you can do loads of drugs in Goa on your welfare check. The problem is that most of these low-class poor Brits are very uneducated and witless, and so they are raped by Indians who give them drugs. I think Indian men watch US porn films of white women and then scrounge together $2000 to head to Goa and when they get there it is easy to rape some topless Norwegian hippie or poor drunken British white trash addict on Anjuna and nobody really gives a shit unless they actually kill the girl. Most of their crimes against “Goris” go down in the drug-riddle Goa beach scene.

    Some Bengali women cannot refuse the allure of how much white men are prepared to pay for sex and they engage in seasonal prostitution in Goa. I know this because of personal experience, naturally. One part-time Calcutta hooker told me of 12 British sailors who came down to Wasco and how she made $2000. That is a great deal of money in Calcutta. Also in Goa with so many husbands in the Middle East employed a few housewives got into prostitution as well.

    The most common approach in India or Dubai for rapists is to hang around hotels pretending to be a tourist guide and get gullible Goris or couples in the middle of nowhere and then rape them.

    There is also the occasional case of some Western woman on a beach in Dubai who is raped by 50 Bangladeshi or Pakistani construction workers.

    The Ministry of Information usually suppresses these events and the Gori has already signed a non-disclosure agreement when she was hired to work in Dubai, or her husband has.

    Someone like me who has wandered the Gulf and India and Asia for decades living on the cheap knows these things.

    However, the most pathetic sex offenders are the Gora men known as “Dog Floggers” who stand waist-high in water on Indian beaches and openly jerk off to the sight of Indian women squatting to defecate. I witnessed this once in Goa, and it is truly pathetic.5

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  74. @anonymous

    Askenazi Jews began when wandering Jewish men married Italian women in Rome after wandering out of Judea.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
  75. @FvS

    FvS

    This makes total sense because white Americans are descended from the poorest of poor Europeans who, to this day, don’t have much money to travel.

    So if you are the average Finnish-American in St. Paul Minnesota and your family has never had much money you’re not going to have the money to move outside your city to another region like Louisiana and marry a Cajun.

  76. @BengaliCanadianDude

    [Too many comments, mostly off-topic and low quality.]

    BENGALI

    Even Gandhi was educated in London, bro. He would have never made a living if had not been a lawyer in South Africa.

    I’m not saying Churchill and the English didn’t create problems you are still dealing with today and the Bengali famine was mostly the fault of the English. Many things were.

    If the English had been smart they would have made two countries out of India with Hindus and Malayalam being separate nations.

    But also, Brahmin and Parsi jumped at the chance to administer for Brits and partly the blame can be laid on them.

  77. ‘…This would obviously correspond to that little event known as the Islamic Conquests, which resulted in the extermination of Roman-Christian Middle East and North Africa. Spain and Portugal survived by the skin of their teeth with the Reconquista…’

    It’d be more accurate to say Spain and Portugal were consequences of the Islamic conquests. Obviously, they weren’t Islamic themselves, but equally, they owed little to the Visigothic kingdom the Muslims overthrew.

    What would have arisen in the Iberian Peninsula had there been no Moorish invasion is an interesting question — but there’s no reason to think it would have borne much resemblance to the historic Spain and Portugal.

  78. Patrick says:

    The article makes a lot of great points but I reject the stereotype of northwest europeans not being clannish. Also I reject the notion that a highly developed economy is even that good, having a competent well functioning economy is good, but there is no sense in being a workaholic.

    The northwest Europeans have always been clannish, just as clannish as middle easterners and always just as tribal.

    Great article, just wanted to dispute two points made in it.

  79. @obwandiyag

    Moroccans aren’t making it better now. In Holland they have been the equivalent of the Mexicans in the US.

    On the flip side, Canary Islanders are Moroccans whose standard of living is as high as the rest of Southern Europe. Compared to Morocco the place is wonderful.

    This is because it is owned by Spain.

  80. Realist says:
    @Alden

    Most of the rankings do put Italy at 102.

    I see that. That means most rankings are wrong….nefarious or incompetence…still wrong.

    As I said…much more believable.

  81. Anonymous[183] • Disclaimer says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Well Algeria and whole Maghreb where slave raiding shitholes, if someone deserved to be conquered it was them.

    • Agree: songbird
  82. Anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @jbwilson24

    So the fact that you anglo and other North euro faggots gave Islam a second wind in Central & South Asia doesn’t matter because we wuz white kangz.

    Enjoy your divine retribution then

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  83. Anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Short black Bengali knows more about Islamic university than Nalanda or Taxila which predate the Greeks.

    Bengal was conquered by a dozen horsemen & most open Bob Pajeets are Bengali. Go shit in a street LOL!

  84. @Anonymous

    Muslims in Europe would starve if there were no welfare, which is why they don’t stick around Sicily or Albania or Malta where Muslims ruled for too long and too much Arab/Berber/Phoenician blood got into the DNA pool/culture.

    Alas, Europeans are so sad about smelly refugees in rags on their streets that they cannot get erections so they are failing to reproduce which means nobody will pay for Muslims with 5 kids in 20 years.

    And then German will look like Dhaka, which I have been too. Poor people going to the worhsip 5 x a day because they have nothing better do and then males drinking high-octane whiskey (Which Muslim Asian males seem to love more than beer or normal alcoholic beverages) the rest of the time. Industries decline because nobody wants to invest in third world primitives and so Northwest Europe sinks into the slum of a failed caliphate.

    America, which I am no fan of, is lucky that only wealthy and educated Muslims can enter. Canada for some reason, is easier to infiltrate but nevertheless most immigrants can largely function and as a result crime is lower than Europe.

    Muslims in the US are very positive contributors to society. This is because they know the ropes. Americans have guns and will shoot them. Try grooming a little Mexican girl. See a Paki dead in a Spanish-speaking barrio or dragged into a trailer park by white hicks who will do things to that Paki groomer a child won’t do to an insect.

    Muslims learn the score fast in the US. And I have to give credit to Trump. His immigration policy with Mestizos is lousy but he did the trick with Muslims. Only rich Arabs who want to buy flat in his Trump Plaza need apply.

  85. @Alden

    Spain preserved the indigenous peoples….Now you wonder why the word “Hispanic” has low status despite being technically related to Europe.

    Thankfully Anglos in the New World, Yayois in Japan and Fujianese in Taiwan did not think like that.

    • Replies: @songbird
    , @anonymous
  86. @FvS

    This is why unlike “white” Brazilians white Americans are actually functional.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  87. @BengaliCanadianDude

    What is the Philippines good for? It’s too bad that neither Spain nor China actually settled it. If Koxinga died several years later than he did IRL it was possible that we would have made Luzon another Taiwan instead of the hellhole it is today.

    • Replies: @kiismerhe
  88. @Aufklærer108

    How do you think the female Huns ended up with the male locals? It’s not exactly cuckholding when you kill the males first, is it?

    Read the article, dummy. These people forged alliances with the Huns and there were Huns found with Germanic Y-DNA.

  89. @Franz

    Sam Coulton seems one of those folks who reads history but don’t get it.

    Maybe you should read the actual article and paper I posted, wisenheimer. These hybridizations were the result of social interactions and not violence.

  90. @jeff stryker

    Try grooming a little Mexican girl. See a Paki dead in a Spanish-speaking barrio

    Well, Pakistan is a lot better than Mexico. Mexico is a terminally FUBAR hellhole while Pakistan actually has a variant of Persian culture.

  91. songbird says:
    @EastKekistani

    Thankfully Anglos in the New World, Yayois in Japan and Fujianese in Taiwan did not think like that.

    Probably mostly explained by differences in population density, not mindset. The Spanish conquered cities. There were no Indian cities in the 13 colonies.

    Then there is agricultural potential. Many European powers ended up importing a lot of Africans. China is fortunately far away from Africa, and has never had much of a dearth of labor.

    Wet-field rice agriculture came late to Japan

  92. @jeff stryker

    The truth is the truth. Grandpops was educated first at Aligarh, then Cambridge. My family profited and prospered from colonialism

  93. @songbird

    India is a net exporter of aid. Why am I defending India again? Also, deindustrialization of the Bengal lead to the industrialization of the UK. Ofc the advancements would happen, wealthier countries can and do spend more on research because they have the ability to

  94. @Z-man

    They enabled it and allowed it to happen. Also, I literally mentioned France. Don’t tell me they didnt do anything…..

  95. @Anonymous

    Another North Indian or Tamil subhuman. I dont see any Bengalis do the stuff you disgusting Hindu pedos do, and ofcourse you Hinfus have your own RSS history books to follow. All that cow pisss…has gone to your head. SIRI, what are the effects of cow pisd on the brain?

    Oh and I dont care much for that. Half Gujarati, and my family made deals with the Anglos and they were wealthy. Nalanda is nothing.

    Hindu logic

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  96. @Anonymous

    And France and the redt of Europe deserves what it gets…simple

  97. @BengaliCanadianDude

    So you don’t like Tamils, right? I think they are fairly wealthy, right?

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  98. @EastKekistani

    The descendants of the SS soldiers who ran off to Rio are ok though….could also explain why Argentina is better than Brazil….better “whites”

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  99. @jeff stryker

    Sorry Jeff, I prefer Svedka. The others like Grey Goose. Never got into that tbh.

    Again, it depends on ethnicity of the Muslim immigrants in Europe.

  100. @jeff stryker

    Im not blaming anyone. Ive reiterated multiple times of my own background

  101. anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @EastKekistani

    Thankfully Anglos in the New World, Yayois in Japan and Fujianese in Taiwan did not think like that.

    Not sure what you are getting at, but Taiwanese aboriginals still exist in significant numbers (500-800k). Yayoi mixed with Japanese aboriginals 2,300 years ago.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_D-M55

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  102. RI says:
    @obwandiyag

    The same applies to the British, French, Portugese etc colonies. They were glorious and civilized under the colonial rule and now they are wallowing in filth.
    I am giving you this example to point that no colonizatian can be good for the colonized, only for the colonizers. Europeans have no right to colonize you and you have no right to colonize Europe.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  103. @anonymous

    Yes but Taiwanese aborigines are still really poor compared to the Han majority. Even in Taiwan they still live as if they are in an Austronesian country.

    The best way to handle SE Asians is letting us NE Asians gradually absorb them. At least people can function well with 20-25% SEA genes. Both China and Japan absorbed some ancient SEAs and we are still functional. So slow absorption with eugenics and gradual cultural change should gradually fix SEA.

    On the other hand when it comes to Negroids and Australoids there are no solutions at all. Even 5% Negroid ancestry might be harmful. Attempts to dilute Negroid ancestry does not lead to China or Japan unlike attempts to dilute SEA ancestry. Instead it leads to Brazil and Puerto Rico. It is the white side that gets significantly downgraded by even a little bit of Negroid ancestry.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  104. @Alden

    I’m not sure what caused the decline of the Middle East. My theory is that it was caused by Negroid ancestry. Basically Ethiopians invaded Arabia, causing Arabia especially Yemen to be slightly genetically corrupted. Muslim expansion then brought such corruption out of Arabia and into the entire Middle East. Furthermore Medieval Arabs had this awful habit of reproducing with black female slaves. This further increased the amount of Negroid genes in the Middle East.

    I believe ancient Egypt fell partly for the same reason. Egypt and Nubia used to be Caucasoid. Earlier groups of barbarians were Caucasoid hence they did not terminally destroy Egypt. However when Negroids invaded Nubia and then Egypt and had sex with local women Egypt was gone.

    • Replies: @anon
  105. Adam says:
    @Franz

    “Rape baby” cliche is one of the marks of people who read history and don’t get it. Rapes rarely lead to pregnancy and the results of such pregnancies were almost always left to exposure. In Russia the Mongol and Turkic conquerors left no genetic legacy on the general mass of Slavs, nor did their Hunnic or Avar predecessors.

    Spanish men took native brides simply because of lack of access to Spanish women, and native women took Spanish husbands because of the obvious advantages of marrying into a higher social class. This was a process that took centuries. The idea that Mestizos are a product of marauding conquistadors (who numbered in the thousands compared to millions of natives) is laughable.

  106. Travis says:
    @SafeNow

    awesome photo , he looks exactly like my brother-in-law.

  107. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Sure. However Argentina is still very Amerind though. At least it is generally fairly non-Negroid..

  108. annamaria says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Blame the victim, “B-dude?”
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3651545/

    There are several recurrent tactics of manipulation used to coerce victims into situations of sex trafficking. Most commonly, victims are promised a good job, education, or citizenship in a foreign country or offered a false marriage proposal that is turned into bondage.

    Many victims are sold into the sex trade by parents, husbands, and significant others, whereas others are unwillingly and forcibly kidnapped by traffickers.

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  109. @EastKekistani

    Many even have german and Italian passports. Messi is whiter than Mulatto Ronaldo.

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  110. @EastKekistani

    Fairly. I have a neutral opinion. Very hot or cold, diametrically different. You hate em or you think they are cool. many of them are trashy and incompetent

  111. @annamaria

    They are not victims, they are willing promiscuous sluts who know exactly what they are doing. They are aware of the repercussions, and they commit these careless and filthy acts because they want the money and attention, and because many of them are depraved. They do this to also find a place to stay. No victimblaming or shaming for whatever that is. Just the plain old truth, anny

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  112. @RI

    They were always wallowing in filth, and they were uncivilized with the exception of rare families

  113. annamaria says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Your answer does expose your callousness — and perhaps your family troubles.
    Or perhaps this is cultural, the casual disrespect towards females.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3651545/

  114. Anon[295] • Disclaimer says:

    Both Hitler and Napoleon had North African paternal DNA. We would have been spared some of the worst wars in history, plus the tens of millions of dead and maimed in Europe, if our ancestors had kept immigrants from North Africa from going into Europe.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    , @anon
  115. Alfred says:
    @SafeNow

    4 of the 5 navigators on that ship were women. Perhaps that is of some relevance. 🙂

  116. @annamaria

    To quote my boy big Donnie…

    “Nobody has more respect for women than me”

    Or something like that.

    My interest in Drumpy has long since dissipated, to use the scientific term, as I discovered that he was yet again just another zionist pig part of the yahudi’s greater israel project.

    Why are you accusing me of being “bad to women”?

    How do you even make that sort of distinction from a short excerpt into my thoughts from a tiny comment on an alternative media site?

    What culture? I grew up watching American/UK/Canadian TV shows, listening to Anglo music, with white friends, wearing white clothes, with white teachers, being taught white history, around a white environment etc////////

    Are you suggesting that this type of culture is inherently misogynistic….?

    How dare you say such a thing?!?

    I for one will not sit down and let muh glorious Western veekangs PIANEERSZ be torn apart by some keyboard warrior with two first names(if that is even your real name “Anna” “Maria”)

    “Perhaps your family troubles”

    Oy vey oy vey it’s like another shoah. Excuse me, Mr.Operator, can you put Attorney Schlomo Moshe-Feinsteinberg Dorfenaushoahwitz Goldberg of the Anti-Defamation League on the line?

    This white gentile has downplayed the holocaust, and has besmirched my name. This is defamation, and I feel harassed!!

    I must sue him for hate speech. How dare she forget all those lampshades sold to Ikea at a discount price?! We could have got a better deal.

    Callousness? Why I do tend to be quite direct, and I do tend to be rough around the edges, but I also do not mince my words, nor do I beat around the bush(unless she hasn’t shaved of course). Ofcourse, I have my way of expressing my viewpoints, and while it may not be subtle like yours, it is still a legitimate way regardless. It is not insensitive, nor is it a “cruel disregard” to others. It is honesty, in a brutal form. Why waste time and energy, and by extension calories, on meaningless and fatuous niceties? Why should I even bother when I can plainly reveal the truth and save everyone the truth?

    You don’t appreciate that? You should. And denial of the truth is rather….unintelligent and unproductive of you. If you do not enjoy the realities of life regarding this topic, instead of being so hostile and relentlessly antagonistic towards me, you should be a sensible human being….and try to stop your own sisters and wives from selling out their virginity for cheap.

    \Just sayin’

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  117. @Anon

    Both Hitler and Napoleon had North African paternal DNA

    I can believe the latter but do you have some reading material for me regarding the Fuhrer?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  118. anonymous[175] • Disclaimer says:
    @EastKekistani

    Both China and Japan absorbed some ancient SEAs

    Japanese (and Koreans) have a small percentage of Southeast Asian ancestry dated to Yayoi period immigration, perhaps from central Chinese migrating through the peninsula. As for “attempts to dilute SEA ancestry”, I’ve got no clue what you are even referring to. SE Asians (and “negroids”) have their own countries. Is their mere existence really that much of a problem? If you don’t want them immigrating to your own country, or you don’t want “no-go” zones, guess whose responsibility that falls under?

  119. @annamaria

    ANNA

    The prostitutes in Dubai are mostly free agents. None of them are pimped or controlled by any pimps in Dubai because Arabs in Dubai have no idea about how pimping. It is just a bunch of single women who rent a room and either approach men on the street or stand outside the apartment. The landlords of these flats want payment in advance so they are not controlling these Russian or African or Chinese women. They already have their six month in advance.

    Most of the women had to save up money for a year in order to fly to Dubai and rent a room and cover the cost of their living expenses for the first month. So they have been prepared to go to Dubai for at least a year and their motivation is that after a year in Dubai they have made a fortune-especially the African women from truly poor countries.

    You will NEVER see a woman in Dubai under 25 selling sex because they had to work a regular job in Russia or China or Africa for quite a while to come up with the money for the airplane fare and rent.

    Dubai doesn’t allow prostitution on the street, so these women have to have the money to pay rent on an apartment and this is at least as expensive as the US, which means that they were in the workforce for a while in their own countries.

    The more expensive prostitutes in hotels from Eastern Europe have a skill or trade-nurse, X-ray technician and the median age would be 30.

    The less attractive women who rent rooms are career prostitutes. They’ve been involved in selling sex their entire adult life and after Dubai they will go to Abu Dhabi or Oman or Bahrain.

    Dubai makes a great deal of money from prostitution. The women rent rooms, shop at supermarkets, go to department stores, drink in hotel bars. It is a huge economy in Dubai.

    Also, it reduces the rate of rape or incest or other crimes involving unwilling women. You don’t need to be a sociologist to figure that out.

    I’m as much against human trafficking as the next person, but very few of the women in Dubai are being trafficked. They are not that young, and they are either educated (Somewhat) Eastern European women with some regular trade back home or they are Chinese or African prostitutes who are making a career of sex work.

    I should also add that none of them are drug addicts who are involved in prostitution for their fix. It is well-nigh impossible to get heroin or crack in Dubai. They’re motivation is “I’ll be rich when I get back home”.

    Also, most of the women are self-selecting. Another words, they are sort of women who probably were promiscuous as girls and enjoyed sex enough to do it for a living. Those that hate it, will simply pack their suitcase and leave.

    They are the small percentage of women, perhaps 25%, who don’t care who they have sex with and have a sex drive anyhow and simply decide to spend six months making a living doing it.

    I suppose the African women are desperate but the Russian and Chinese women are not starving. In fact the Russian women are quite robust and well-knit. A 5’9 140 pound Russian woman of 30 clearly did not grow up in absolute poverty as a child. The Russian women are quite big and confident.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  120. @Anonymous

    Whiter than you, Balakaram Sakakaramingham

  121. @BengaliCanadianDude

    BENGALI

    The Greek Empire predated the birth of the Prophet Mohammed in 500 AD (Peace be upon him) so how could “Islamic universities” have predated the Greek Empire?

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  122. @BengaliCanadianDude

    BENGALI

    Genetic tests indicate the Gujji tribe is Hindu for “Georgian” and that the Gujarati showed up on that peninsula from what is now Georgia, Russia.

    So you do have white ancestors far, far back. If you consider Georgians white.

    Bengali seem to have Nepalese admixture, even the higher-caste. Bengali Gaur look quite Asiatic.

  123. anon[184] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    George Washington and Thomas Jefferson were half n*ggers, or so i heard

  124. @Anonymous

    ‘Well Algeria and whole Maghreb where slave raiding shitholes, if someone deserved to be conquered it was them.’

    You know, it was a two-way street: Spain, Portugal, Norman Sicily, et al raided the North African coast and enslaved the inhabitants with just as much zest as the North Africans raided Christian Europe.

    Ergo, it would follow that Spain and the rest of the Northern coast of the Mediterranean were slave raiding shitholes, if someone deserved to be conquered it was them.
    .

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  125. anon[184] • Disclaimer says:
    @EastKekistani

    However when Negroids invaded Nubia and then Egypt and had sex with local women Egypt was gone.

    suspect this is it – a 15-20 point hit in your population’s IQ

    its monkey time

  126. @BengaliCanadianDude

    ‘Both Hitler and Napoleon had North African paternal DNA

    I can believe the latter but do you have some reading material for me regarding the Fuhrer?’

    In Hitler’s case, I read it was Turkish DNA.

    The Turks did invade Austria twice — and the Turkish M.O. involved a disciplined core advancing on the target while marauding irregulars pillaged, burned, and raped their way across the countryside.

    Obviously, that would spread some DNA around, and I’ve always assumed that’s where Hitler picked up his Turkish ancestry.

    …or perhaps the marauder who became pere Hitler was of North African extraction. It’s possible.

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  127. @The Muslim Impact

    ‘…Christian Levant and Middle East remained prosperous and advanced until the advent of Islam. Islam, with its promotion of consanguinity (which damaged the gene pool); regressive social mores; distrust of innovation; poor agricultural practices, etc set the region back millennia and ushered in the ‘Dark Ages’.'</I.

    You may find this account accords gratifyingly with your prejudices, but it bears little correspondence to historical reality.

    The Mediterranean of Justinian's day was already severely depopulated. That was over a century before the advent of Islam — and we haven't even gotten to the impact of the Persian wars.

  128. @anon

    This depends on the part of Egypt you are in. Alexandria is heavily Greek and is closer to Crete than to it is to Southern Egypt.

    I’ve only been to Cairo but they seemed quite Arab/Berber.

    Remember that Egypt was at a crossroads. Greece in the North, Middle East to the East, Africa to the South.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  129. @Colin Wright

    COLIN

    You’d be surprised how Arabic Southern Spain is. The buildings, the culture, the language, the climate. I mean South of Madrid.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Miro23
  130. Peter Frost says: • Website
    @Shamil

    Spaniards should apologize because their conquest resulted in the extermination of many indigenous populations and utter destruction of their cultures. The Muslims didn’t not exterminate or forcefully drive populations out. They simply merged them in the new empire without forcefully converting them.

    You’re comparing an idealized Islam with an exaggerated image of Spanish rule. Throughout Latin America the Spaniards did merge with the indigenous populations. In fact, mestizoes are the largest group in most Latin American countries. There are also areas where indigenous groups are still the majority and still speak their native languages, e.g., Yucatan and Oaxaca in Mexico, the highlands of Peru, most of Bolivia, etc. There are also many cases of religious syncretism in Latin America. I don’t think one can credibly argue that indigenous cultures were better treated under Muslim rule in the Middle East. The Copts are the most numerous pre-Islamic culture, and even they are in a precarious state.

    As for forced conversion, this was not the theory of Muslim rule, but it did happen, and often on a massive scale during certain periods. Why do you think the Parsees emigrated to India? The same with extermination. That wasn’t the theory, but it did happen in practice, the most recent case being the Armenian Genocide.

  131. @jeff stryker

    Remember that Egypt was at a crossroads. Greece in the North, Middle East to the East, Africa to the South.

    RIP Egypt.

  132. @jeff stryker

    Actual universities. Fez was the first

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  133. @Peter Frost

    Wait, you believe in the Armenian Genocide? Can we get a Turk on here? Where is Mehmet? I need to hear what he has to say about all of this!!

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  134. @anon

    suspect this is it – a 15-20 point hit in your population’s IQ

    its monkey time

    Yep. The most fortunate fact about NE Asia is that we are historically thankfully very far away from that eternal pit, namely Sub-Saharan Africa.

  135. @jeff stryker

    ‘You’d be surprised how Arabic Southern Spain is. The buildings, the culture, the language, the climate. I mean South of Madrid.’

    …and — visibly — and physically — the people. Those in Southern Spain are discernibly darker and more lightly built than those in Northern Spain.

    However, I wouldn’t get carried away. I’d cheerfully move to Seville if someone gave me a decent reason. I’d think twice about Fez.

  136. @BengaliCanadianDude

    I thought widespread Armenian, Assyrian and Greek depopulation happened?

  137. @Peter Frost

    ‘You’re comparing an idealized Islam with an exaggerated image of Spanish rule…’

    Yeah. Since 9/11, every bigot on the block has been happily taking his Islamophobic dog out for a daily walk — but the Muslims weren’t saints either.

    I think one thing that goes on is that we have a certain understanding of cultures closer to us, and so at least comprehend their crimes, even if we don’t excuse them. The Creole haciendado raping an Indian girl from ‘his’ village makes sense — yes, it’s wrong, but we understand what happened. The Turk seizing a Christian child for a life of servitude is an act of alien horror, perpetrated by an agent of a culture we don’t grasp at all.

    We commit our crimes, and well…it’s what we do. Let’s try to improve. They commit theirs, and it’s the bugs from Starship Troopers. Exterminate the brutes!

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  138. @Colin Wright

    COLIN ?

    Thousands of Westerners live in Muslim countries but you do not see American oil workers in Dubai or British engineers for PDO “grooming” Muslim girls in Dubai or Bahrain or Kuwait. Certainly, Britis and US expats could go to Emirate schools and give little Muslim girls candy and presents and watches and cultivate relationships…but you will never see this. Why not, Colin?

    Millions of Europeans have come to America as refugees just as Muslims come to Europe. But these refugees were not the nightmare that Muslim refugees to Europe have been. Irish people from 1850-1950 FLOODED the US but apart from the odd bar brawl in “Bennigan’s Pub” there was no widespread integration problems. WHY?

  139. @jeff stryker

    Certainly, Britis and US expats could go to Emirate schools and give little Muslim girls candy and presents and watches and cultivate relationships…

    NE Asian expats don’t do that either..

  140. annamaria says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Your response was clownish but not smart.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  141. @jeff stryker

    ‘Thousands of Westerners live in Muslim countries but you do not see American oil workers in Dubai or British engineers for PDO “grooming” Muslim girls in Dubai or Bahrain or Kuwait…’

    Nor do you see Turkish graduate students at Columbia ‘grooming’ Christian girls.

    Perhaps you’re looking at a select set of people — Pakistanis in Rotherham, et al — and generalizing.

    There are a couple of points here. American black soldiers in World War Two, and for that matter Russian peasants in the Red Army were quite the ‘Christians’ — but they cut quite swathe of outright rape across Europe…no bothering with the ‘grooming’ there. Shall we take them as our examples of typical Christian culture?

    Secondly, the gangs of Rotherham are certainly reprehensible enough — but what about the culture they’re preying on? Do you seriously think the Pakistanis would have gotten much of anywhere with English working-class girls of a hundred years ago? Maybe their dads and older brothers would have stepped in — assuming you seriously think these girls are just carried off on their way back from chapel or something.

    Somehow, these girls became morally immaculate — if mysteriously helpless — exemplars of a healthy white Christian culture.

    I’m skeptical. We could go on and on, and if you want to keep cherry-picking so you can have someone to hate, I can’t stop you, but…

    The world just ain’t that way. It’s not good white Christendom versus evil brown Islam. It’d simplify things if it were though, wouldn’t it?

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  142. Corvinus says:
    @jbwilson24

    “Exactly what colonization are you talking about? European colonization in Africa and the Middle East is relatively recent, while Islamic colonization goes back 1400 years. There is simply no comparison in terms of the impact.”

    So whose impact was greater in terms of destruction of culture in your opinion?

    “As for women’s rights, Middle Eastern and African nations (also South Asia) are cesspools, plain and simple.”

    Not according to those fine white men who insist on a return to Christian patriarchy.

    “Flooding in members of incompatible groups is a strategy…”

    In the same way as non-WASPs who came en masse to the states in the mid and late 1800’s that essentially swamped Heritage Americans, aka WASPs?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  143. Corvinus says:
    @jeff stryker

    “Irish people from 1850-1950 FLOODED the US but apart from the odd bar brawl in “Bennigan’s Pub” there was no widespread integration problems. ”

    Of course there were problems! Refer to the political cartoons of Thomas Nast, for starters.

  144. Corvinus says:
    @Peter Frost

    “Throughout Latin America the Spaniards did merge with the indigenous populations. In fact, mestizoes are the largest group in most Latin American countries.”

    I thought race mixing was a big no-no.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  145. annamaria says:
    @jeff stryker

    You have shown your expertise in the willing and self-selecting female prostitution in Dubai. However, the link that I have posted, twice, addresses the prostitution worldwide: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3651545/
    Excerpts:

    There are approximately 800,000 people trafficked across international borders annually and, of these, 80% are women or girls and 50% are minors.” .

    Most commonly, victims are promised a good job, education, or citizenship in a foreign country or offered a false marriage proposal that is turned into bondage. Many victims are sold into the sex trade by parents, husbands, and significant others, whereas others are unwillingly and forcibly kidnapped by traffickers.

    Traffickers and/or pimps commonly recruit potential victims who are either economically or socially vulnerable. These include women and girls who are susceptible to poverty, societal isolation, drug addiction, violence in the family, a history of child sexual abuse, family dysfunction, school failure, or a history of criminal behavior.

    Sex trafficking victims are particularly susceptible to sexually transmitted infections such as gonorrhea, syphilis, urinary tract infections, and pubic lice. Human immunodeficiency virus/ AIDS infection is known to be prevalent. They may experience pelvic pain, vaginal/anal tearing, rectal trauma, and/or urinary difficulties as a result of commercial sex work. Sex trafficking victims are often physically abused and tortured. … physical injuries such as broken bones, bruises, burns, scars, and broken teeth/ dental problems.

    Do you have a sister, a niece, or a friend with a little daughter, whose images could help you to picture in your mind what happens to a girl (50% of the trafficked prostitutes are minors) when the girl has a difficult time and is promised a decent life abroad by a heartless pimp?

  146. @EastKekistani

    EAST

    Of all the races, I find that NE Asians are least likely to get their fun doing things in prison. Also, I have heard that child molesters in Chinese jails are treated horrendously badly by other prisoners or guards.

  147. @Colin Wright

    [Too many low quality comments that clutter up threads with your worthless personal opinions and rarely contribute anything to the discussion. Most of your future comments will be trashed until you mend your ways or permanently depart from this website.]

  148. Jeremy says:

    The scientific reality is that ALL Europeans Inc people outside of Europe of European descent are genetically homogeneous and the differences that do exist are negligible and are due to the varying degrees of early European farmer ancestry relative to ancient north Eurasian or Indo European ancestry found in northern and southern Europe. All these comments about differences being due to this or that be it Muslims or Mongols etc etc is irrelevant nonsense. Fortunately the number of stupid comments are fairly few compared to sensible ones.

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  149. @EastKekistani

    ‘Certainly, Britis and US expats could go to Emirate schools and give little Muslim girls candy and presents and watches and cultivate relationships…

    NE Asian expats don’t do that either..’

    Indeed. See the Rape of Nanking…et al, et al. Certainly no nonsense about candy and presents and watches.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  150. @Jeremy

    ‘The scientific reality is that ALL Europeans Inc people outside of Europe of European descent are genetically homogeneous…’

    Ah. I knew there was a reason Norwegians were indistinguishable from Sicilians.

    Thanks for clearing that up.

  151. @Corvinus

    ‘…In the same way as non-WASPs who came en masse to the states in the mid and late 1800’s that essentially swamped Heritage Americans, aka WASPs?’

    It’d be helpful if everyone didn’t immediately head to the most extreme position possible and dig in.

    First, current immigrants come from backgrounds a hell of a lot more alien to us than Galicia was alien to the Rhineland.

    Second, yes, these waves of immigrants did indeed markedly alter America. When those guys wearing the MAGA hats talk about getting back the America they knew, they’re not talking about Andrew Jackson’s country.

    So do we want to change again — and change so that we’re more like Guatemala or Bangladesh?

    I’m inclined to say no — not that I feel the need to cast those I’d prefer to keep out as evil incarnate.

    Speaking entirely for myself, I just don’t want them here — and no, it wouldn’t bug me at all if the America of The Andy Griffith Show — or even All in the Family continued to remain at least vaguely recognizable in what I see around me.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  152. Miro23 says:
    @jeff stryker

    You’d be surprised how Arabic Southern Spain is. The buildings, the culture, the language, the climate. I mean South of Madrid.

    Personal observations after 30+ years here:

    The buildings don’t seem all that different around Spain – medieval type old towns usually on a hill with narrow streets and a church at the top – surrounded by modern new towns. There are plenty of small ruined Moorish castles along the Mediterranean coast (Levant) and a few major Moorish buildings dating from the Arab conquest like the Alcazar in Granada (Andalucia in the South).

    The language isn’t different. Everyone speaks Spanish (Castellano) or at least can speak Spanish if they have to. The variations are in the North, and the Mediterranean coast down to Alicante. The Basques are ethnically distinct and speak their own language which is unrelated to Spanish. The Catalonians (Barcelona) speak Catalan, and the Valencians (in the villages) speak Valenciano – both related to Spanish, and more or less understandable. There’s no Arabic spoken in Spain (apart from recent immigrants) although it was spoken for centuries after the Arab conquest (710 – 797). Arab settlers founded many town and villages which have the original Arab names (plus the many miles of agricultural stone terracing that they built around them) . Also modern Spanish is full of Arabic derived words and there are plenty of Arabic surnames and an Arab genetic contribution in the South and along the Mediterranean to Valencia (gloomily called “Sangre del Moro” – Blood of the Moor).

    Southern Spanish (Andalucian) culture is Spanish – not Arabic – but less focused than the north. Northern Spanish regard Andalucians as “Not serious” which includes welfare fraud, higher criminality, Gypsies, lack of higher education, and general lack of “Europeanness”. There’s also a strong historic awareness of the Arab occupation and the Christian re-conquest. For example, it’s recorded every year in all the towns and villages of Valencia Province in the “Moros y Cristianos” festival – Moors and Christians festival – where the towns people (since they were in school) belong to separate bands of Moors or Christians, each with their own costumes and musicians, and engage in ritual combat (real gunpowder) with a final parade.

    The climate of Southern Spain has a lot in common with North Africa but Andalucia is more fertile and gets more rainfall. The Arabs regarded it as the Jewel of their Empire and certainly planned to stay permanently.

  153. Corvinus says:
    @Colin Wright

    “It’d be helpful if everyone didn’t immediately head to the most extreme position possible and dig in.”

    You really should start taking this advice.

    “First, current immigrants come from backgrounds a hell of a lot more alien to us than Galicia was alien to the Rhineland.”

    That would be your opinion. Of course, the nativists felt that the Irish, and later on the Italians, were of ill-repute who would soil America’s reputation for representative democracy given their unnatural proclivities for chaos and mayhem.

    “Second, yes, these waves of immigrants did indeed markedly alter America.”

    Indeed, in a similar fashion as those immigrants now.

    “When those guys wearing the MAGA hats talk about getting back the America they knew, they’re not talking about Andrew Jackson’s country.”

    The American we all know has consisted of people from different races and ethnic backgrounds. Jackson’s country was free from Southern and Eastern European hordes. They have to go back.

    “So do we want to change again — and change so that we’re more like Guatemala or Bangladesh?”

    It’d be helpful if everyone didn’t immediately head to the most extreme position possible and dig in.

    “Speaking entirely for myself, I just don’t want them here — and no, it wouldn’t bug me at all if the America of The Andy Griffith Show — or even All in the Family continued to remain at least vaguely recognizable in what I see around me.”

    Those were idyllic TV shows. In reality, life in America at that time was remarkably diverse. Sometimes nostalgia can be a mother.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Koblian
  154. Adelaar says:
    @Anonymous

    No problem mentioning that, there’s a perfect explanation for that lol.

    “Prior to the dramatic incident, involving the ‘unsinkable’ frigate KNM Helge Ingstad, the Norwegian Armed Forces own magazine boasted that four out of five navigators on the warship were women.”

    https://sputniknews.com/military/201811201069953633-norway-frigate-women/

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  155. @Colin Wright

    Indeed. See the Rape of Nanking…et al, et al. Certainly no nonsense about candy and presents and watches.

    Were the IJA soldiers expats? No.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  156. @Corvinus

    I suspect the irony of your response escapes you.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  157. @Corvinus

    ‘…I thought race mixing was a big no-no.’

    It depends on which way. Your women are fair game. Ours are off-limits.

    This isn’t complicated. Figure it out.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  158. @EastKekistani

    ‘Were the IJA soldiers expats? No.’

    Ah. I didn’t understand the rules. So we’re only talking about expat misbehaviour — not that of invaders or immigrants?

    In that case, what’s your point?

  159. @jeff stryker

    There were ethnic tensions and lots of bad blood. I remember reading about it. People will have to help me out though. Plus, they formed a lot of the gangs and mobs

  160. I really don’t give a fig.

  161. Corvinus says:
    @Colin Wright

    “I suspect the irony of your response escapes you.”

    LOL, you’re making up stuff as you go along. Regardless, you gloss over the hypocrisy of your statements.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  162. Corvinus says:
    @Colin Wright

    “It depends on which way. Your women are fair game. Ours are off-limits.”

    First, who is this “your women” are you referring to? Second, who is this “off-limits” women are you referring to? Fair game to whom? Off limits to whom?

    You are speaking in code like a woman. Spell it out.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  163. @Corvinus

    ‘…You are speaking in code like a woman. Spell it out.’

    No, I’m not, and you’re being deliberately obtuse.

    As I said, it’s not complicated. Since we’re getting personal, it works like this. I can have your wife and daughters. You can’t have mine.

    Is it still foggy?

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
    , @Corvinus
  164. @Colin Wright

    Yep. This is exactly how the universe works.

  165. ZOGged says:
    @EastKekistani

    Well, some do. Even in the Chinese diaspora. Since they have such a bad sex ratio at home, many thirsty Chinese men have been mongering around heavily in SEA; as Chinese girls are in such a high demand back home in China, they’ve become quite choosy with their mates., That leaves the average Han dude in a tizzy. So they are ending up abroad, corrupting their gene pool [oh the horror]. They’ve even started “purchasing” women, often times unscrupulously, from SEA [the very same region that you seems to hate so much] and bringing them home.

    Now some seem to be exploring new territories for they need a change of taste [sic]. Many Chinese men have been seen “bride” shopping in parts of Siberia. And boy some seem to have taken a fancy for the Paki girls in Pakistan:

    Chinese women Trafficking gang busted in Faisalabad
    https://www.dawn.com/news/1481118

    Chinese men caught trafficking Pakistani women to China [for sex] caught in Islamabad
    https://www.dawn.com/news/1480839/3-chinese-men-arrested-as-fia-tightens-screws-on-suspected-transnational-prostitution-ring

    FIA arrests Chinese nationals allegedly involved in human trafficking in Lahore:
    https://www.dawn.com/news/1480650

    The Pakis are so much in debt to the Chinese and are literally in dire straits financially. So the paki gubmint must have turned a blind eye to thirsty Chinese men and their agents procuring girls to China for far too long.

    It must have gone too far even for the corrupt paki gubmit to ignore. So yes the Chinese diaspora does engage in such crimes. Not very much into violent crimes [although there is a quite some of intra ethnic crime amongst the chinese in the china towns, it doesn’t spill over to the white burbs bordering them unlike those bordering the places where hombres or the brothas live].

    And guess what, some of them in Uganda were so thirsty that they’ve left quite a litter after mating with African women [yes the same ones you hate so much] and leaving them in the lurch [after having fled Uganda].

    Luckily not all Chinese men are like that and some do co-habit with their wives [any one who knowingly leaves bastards behind is a low life pond scum IMHO]. But many do.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  166. @ZOGged

    Of course some do. There are murders in Japan and China too. What matters here is the crime rate, not whether crime exists. Of course it does.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  167. @EastKekistani

    EAST

    Compared to the Philippines, I would think the number of drug addicts in China is low.

    In the Philippines, you are talking about 12% of the population being hardcore meth addicts. Imagine a society when that many millions of people are completely out of their minds on a horrendously addictive drug they have to steal, sell their bodies or commit some crime to obtain everyday.

    Also factor in the huge amount of promiscuity among Filipinos and the rampant out-of-wedlock birthrates. I remember seeing a bunch of homeless children on the road and asking who the parents were and a female shopkeeper saying “7 customers, 7 kids”. Women are no different than men, and Chinese prostitutes have higher IQ’s than Filipino prostitutes who always end up pregnant and have no idea about birth control.

    Counterfeit firearms are also everywhere in the Philippines and every night some guy gets drunk and shoots someone else in a bar. In China, firearms (I assume) are difficult to obtain and carrying a .45 on the street is not the norm like the Philippines where local men are prepared to kill somebody everyday.

    Factor in tendency for Filipinos to be alcoholic.

    Also, corruption on the street-level in China is rare. Yes, we have all heard of Ministers accepting bribes but you cannot bribe police on the street.

    Finally, in China if you are a drug addicted thug who threatens people with your gun in bars every night and lives off what you can steal, you’re going to be in jail before you are 30. Probably for life.

    On the subject of Chinese crime, it rarely experienced by other races. The only case I can think of Chinese thugs raping and killing whites was in 1985 in Hong Kong and technically that was still the UK. And, it should be stated, the teenagers that did it have been locked up their entire lives.

    Ask anyone here if they would rather walk through Los Angeles at night or Manila or Beijing. There’s no comparison.

    • Replies: @Logan
  168. Corvinus says:
    @Colin Wright

    “Idiot.”

    I get it, you got exposed, and now are lashing out. Hug your mom, that you will make you feel better. Make sure to finish your challah that she made.

  169. Corvinus says:
    @Colin Wright

    “No, I’m not, and you’re being deliberately obtuse.”

    It’d be helpful if you didn’t immediately head to the most extreme position possible and dig in.

    “Since we’re getting personal, it works like this. I can have your wife and daughters. You can’t have mine.”

    You are the one taking it personally, Cochise. It’s a blog. Relax. Now, as far as “having my wife and daughters”, you are, as I correctly stated, making things up. You don’t get to make that unilateral decision, unless, of course, you have psychotic tendencies. And that would be deranged on your part.

    As far as having your wife and daughters, I’m not interested in the mess you made at home. Clean it up.

  170. kiismerhe says:
    @EastKekistani

    I doubt it. Philippines’ have much lower IQ-s.

    • Replies: @EastKekistani
  171. @kiismerhe

    So do Taiwanese abos. The trick is to expel them and replace them by NE Asians.

  172. @jeff stryker

    Lots of white christian males grooming little children in SEA in Bangkok and elsewhere

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  173. annamaria says:

    The eagerness of the French to profit in Libya while flooding Europe with sub-Saharan refugees: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-12/george-soros-business-illegal-immigration

    T: What should make every Italian worry about the situation in Libya is that it resembles dramatically that of 2011: a divided Italian government unable to make any real mark on the international scene, a variety of countries always ready to maneuver against Italy for their own national interests.

    GE: Who stands out among these countries?

    FT: France, no doubt. France is certainly not willing to lose any of her economic interests it has in Libya. France effectively removed Qaddafi in a joint operation with the US in 2011, which led to the complete destabilization of the country and the consequent biblical mass migration of sub-Saharan Africans. It may happen again if Libya is thrown into a full-scale civil war. There are unconfirmed reports of numbers such as 800.000 people ready to get on the move toward Europe.

    This disgusting gargoyle Sarkozy and his US partner disgusting H. Clinton have destroyed the livelihood of millions of people.

    https://theduran.com/8-years-after-hillary-sarkozy-destroyed-libya-new-war-aims-to-unify-country-video/

    • Replies: @Logan
  174. @BengaliCanadianDude

    BENGALI

    I live in SEA and that is exaggerated. I also spent some time in Dhaka, Bangladesh.

    If nothing else police will bust foreigners to get a huge bribe out of them because they know that a foreigner will sell his house before he goes to jail in Manila or Calcutta for five years.

    It DOES happen, yes, but public perception of 60 year old German men openly molesting 10 year old boys in SEA is a wild exaggeration.

    In Calcutta or Mumbai the child pedo stuff is mostly for local men, for example. Foreigners might be tempted, but the fear of being in an Indian prison is a pretty strong deterrent.

    I’m not saying it never happens, but it is so underground that even other foreigners don’t know about it.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  175. @Colin Wright

    That would be appropriate, as Vienna will be majority Turkish soon enough.

  176. Logan says:

    By the way, Spain has recently apologized for conquering Mexico some five centuries ago.

    Unless I missed something, the news was that Mexico demanded an apology and Spain refused. I think the Vatican did apologize.

  177. Logan says:
    @annamaria

    France effectively removed Qaddafi in a joint operation with the US in 2011, which led to the complete destabilization of the country and the consequent biblical mass migration of sub-Saharan Africans.

    Wait, what?

    Destabilization of Libya caused mass migration of sub-Saharan Africans how?

  178. Logan says:
    @jeff stryker

    Ask anyone here if they would rather walk through Los Angeles at night or Manila or Beijing.

    Depends entirely what part of LA we’re talking about. I assume something similar is true of the other two cities.

    Recently watched a podcast by a young Irish lass where she described her visit to America. She and a friend got on the bus in LA, then off at a random location, which turned out to be in the middle of the hood.

    They were greeted, according to her, with hostility till the locals found out they were from Ireland. Apparently everybody, even in the hood, loves the Irish.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  179. @Logan

    Because Gaddafi was a tyrant who coddled Negroids at the expense of the Libyan people not very different from Western elites and commies in the Soviet Union & China & North Korea.

    When the Libyan people began to rebel they found the groids siding with the tyrant against them. After the war the Libyan people were obviously not very happy at the groids. Then both local and international groids began to enter Europe from Libya because Libya is both chaotic and anti-groid.

  180. Koblian says:
    @Corvinus

    “The American we all know has consisted of people from different races and ethnic backgrounds. Jackson’s country was free from Southern and Eastern European hordes. They have to go back.”

    And once America is free of the subhuman, niggerfied wops and asiatic-tainted slavs, America will be back to how it used to be, a bastion of the Nordic race. That is if the Anglo-Saxon can avoid his tendency towards being the most philo-semitic people in history, or the Scandinavian’s urge to flood their communities with Somalians.

  181. ZOGged says:
    @Logan

    Yes it very much did. Qaddafi made sure the Africans didn’t get an easy pass to the shores of Italy. Some of them got jobs in Libya [it used to be Africa’s richest country] while most were sent back. Now we have slave auctions and the rest are offloaded to Italy!!

    Now france itself is reeling from a migration crisis and Libya is in tatters. Killing two birds with the same (((stone))). Perhaps that was by (((design)))???

  182. @jeff stryker

    Wrong, it’s been happening for a long time, and it is known

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  183. @Logan

    Gaddafi kept the routes to Europe closed, and he held the blacks back. He either gave them jobs or sent them packing back where they came from.

    • Replies: @Logan
  184. @EastKekistani

    They didn’t revolt. 1.7 million gathered in Tripoli to protest the bombings in 2011.

    Gaddafi was not nice to the blacks. He prevented them from going to Europe.

  185. @Logan

    even in the hood, loves the Irish.

    Why?

    • Replies: @Logan
  186. annamaria says:
    @EastKekistani

    “Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Don’t Want You to Know:” https://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-ten-things-about-gaddafi-they-dont-want-you-to-know/5414289

    1. In Libya a home is considered a natural human right

    2. Education and medical treatment were all free: Libya could boast one of the best healthcare services in the Middle East and Africa. Also if a Libyan citizen could not access the desired educational course or correct medical treatment in Libya they were funded to go abroad.

    3. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project; it was called ”the eighth wonder of the world”.

    4. If any Libyan wanted to start a farm they were given a house, farm land and live stock and seeds all free of charge.

    5. A bursary was given to mothers with newborn babies: When a Libyan woman gave birth she was given 5000 (US dollars) for herself and the child.

    6. Electricity was free in Libya meaning absolutely no electric bills!

    7. During Gaddafi’s reign the price of petrol in Libya was as low as 0.14 (US dollars) per litre.

    8. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans were literate. This figure was brought up to 87% with 25% earning university degrees.

    9. Libya had its own State bank, which provided loans to citizens at zero percent interest by law and they had no external debt.

    10. Gaddafi was trying to introduce a single African currency linked to gold. It has been said that the gold Dinar was the real reason for the NATO led rebellion….

    • Replies: @Miro23
    , @anon
  187. annamaria says:
    @Logan

    https://sputniknews.com/world/201509171027135147-gaddafi-libya-refugees-exodus-arab-spring/

    In March 2011, Gaddafi warned that without unified and stable Libya there would be no one to control countless migrants from Africa and the Middle East from fleeing to Europe. Unlike Western leaders, he apparently understood that millions, not thousands will come, should Tripoli fall.

    And he was right.

  188. @BengaliCanadianDude

    I live in Southeast Asia and write this comment from a Southeastern Asian country, not Ontario or Michigan.

    It exists in SEA but it also exists on Jane and Finch in TO or Grandville and Hastings in Canada or Mexico or anywhere else.

    You’ll never see it in public in the Philippines or Thailand. Sure, it exists but 50 year old Germans are not walking around with 10 year old boys as the common presumption goes.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  189. Miro23 says:
    @annamaria

    And the US and Europeans, following orders of the US Jewish Mafia, brought them Freedom & Democracy™.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  190. @Miro23

    MIRO

    Yes, but Ghaddafi triumphed because A) the Benghazi affair was really what ended Hillary’s political career and B) he was the only reason the refugee crisis of Africans flooding into Europe did not happen 40 years ago and once he was gone it began.

    • Replies: @ZOGged
  191. tonyuk says:

    jeremy is correct and Colin Wright makes a stupid comment right on queue.

  192. Anonymous[309] • Disclaimer says:

    Patterson (2012) “Ancient Admixture in Human History”:

    “The most striking finding is a clear signal of admixture into northern Europe, with one ancestral population related to present-day Basques and Sardinians and the other related to present-day populations of northeast Asia and the Americas.”

  193. Anonymous[273] • Disclaimer says:
    @Mon avis

    Lynn-Vanhanen IQs are mostly made up. These are real ones:

    Buj (1981) “Average IQ values in various European countries”

  194. Anonymous[247] • Disclaimer says:
    @Adelaar

    The Italian SS Andria Doria was sunk when it got hit by a poorly designed Swedish liner with an incompetent third mate.

  195. anon[833] • Disclaimer says:
    @Shamil

    The Muslims didn’t not exterminate or forcefully drive populations out. They simply merged them in the new empire without forcefully converting them.

    lol, sure

    you probably believe in the tooth fairy too

  196. anon[833] • Disclaimer says:
    @annamaria

    1. In Libya a home is considered a natural human right

    2. Education and medical treatment were all free: Libya could boast one of the best healthcare services in the Middle East and Africa. Also if a Libyan citizen could not access the desired educational course or correct medical treatment in Libya they were funded to go abroad.

    this kind of bullshit only happens when you have excess (unearned) oil money

    all of this “i have a HUMAN RIGHT to a free house, free healthcare, free lifetime education, free food, blah blah blah” – its like something children dream up – SOMEONE has to pay for all of it and that means going to work

    • Replies: @annamaria
  197. Logan says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Because American adore the way they talk.

  198. Logan says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Let’s assume you (and others with similar comments) are right.

    But this doesn’t mean the collapse of Libya caused the sub-Saharan mass migration, it simply allowed it. Quite different.

  199. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:

    I guess Durocher didn’t dig into the Supplementary Information, because he missed this:

  200. annamaria says:
    @anon

    Yes, the citizens of Libya used to enjoy “HUMAN RIGHTS to a free house, free healthcare, free lifetime education…” That was thanks to Libyan Sovereign wealth. Compare that to the unlimited “human rights” available to the selected citizens like Cheney, Adelson, Bezos, Soros and such.

    Libyan oil/wealth under Qaddafi: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-oil-gaddafi-idUSLV51859420080901

    “You have to be ready, each Libyan will get directly his share of the oil money,” Gaddafi told a gathering of his supporters including ministers, top military and police officers and members of the General People’s Congress, the country’s top executive and legislative body.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/libya-oil-exports-2011-2

    Libya became an oil exporter in 1961 with the completion of a 167 Km pipeline. This started a spectacular production rise that would surpass 3 Mb/d in 1969.

    Overnight, Libya went from being one of the poorest nations in the World to one of the richest, when measured based on average GDP per capita. But equity was lacking, and popular resentment grew as oil exports grew. In 1969, a small group of young military officers staged a successful coup d’état and deposed King Idris. Their leader, Colonel Muammar al-Gaddafi, became the country’s ruler at the age of 28.

    Gaddafi intended to build an ad hoc socialist state and promote Arab unity. Banks were nationalized in 1969. The following year, the oil industry was nationalized, all the foreign troops left the country, and a new Constitution established.

    In 1982 the USA imposed a unilateral embargo against Libya, and in 1984 the first serious assassination attempt on Gaddafi took place. Two years later, the USA bombed Tripoli and Benghazi, most likely with the objective of eliminating Gaddafi. One of his sons died in the attack.

    This is what the psychopaths could never forgive Qaddafi: In Libya banks were nationalized, the oil industry was nationalized…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlz3-OzcExI

    Any more questions? Or we also need to discuss the Norway sovereign wealth fund?

  201. ZOGged says:
    @jeff stryker

    How is that “triumphing” Mr. Stryker? Killary is still laughing and making merry while qadhafi was killed like a rabid dog for challenging the evil empire?

    As for the refugee crisis, the Benjis who rule over Europe (and the US) want the angry refugees and the africans do destroy Europe.

    I don’t call that “winning” in any significant way. The Arab, the african and the white man loses while the benjamin laughs all along

  202. I take with heavy doses of salt some of this older paper’s findings. The SW Europe – North African genetic flow has been going on for thousands of years, sometimes with heavier ingression pressures and sometimes not. The key to understanding this data better is to look at the Y-chromosomal DNA (male line of descent) of the Maghrebi folk, which overwhelmingly is the haplogroup E-M81. It occurs at a frequency of about 4-5% in all of those areas studied, which may well be easily explained by the period of the Medieval Moorish expansions into this areas of Europe. There is one puzzling location, though, and that is Sardinia. It averages about 4% E-M81, yet was never conquered or ruled by the Moors. How to explain that? Look back to the history and we know the Carthaginians held sway over that island for a rather long spell, which could have well seeded some of those North Africans to its shores. Several hundred years of Roman trade between their European and North African holdings surely added to the mix. And last there was the short lived Vandal Kingdom that held Sardinia for a time, who arrived there from North Africa. The researchers themselves make an odd claim that the North African ancestry timing arrived only a few hundred years back, making all sorts of hand waving arguments to brush aside that inconvenient estimate. I think what they are seeing is the impact over millennia of genetic flow between these regions, rather than a discrete event traced to the times of the Moorish take over of much of Mediterranean Europe. More fine grained analysis available now could better tease out the more recent genetic pulses from the older ones.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  203. @De Deplorable Doc

    Sardinia was settled by Phoenician sailors.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @De Deplorable Doc
  204. Anon[349] • Disclaimer says:
    @jeff stryker

    Whom should I believe. A self confessed fanny chaser swilling tiger beer with an opinion on just about everything [any man who says he knows something about everything is either a fool or a liar] or someone more nuanced like the doc above…

    That shouldn’t be quite difficult to decide

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  205. @Anon

    Nevertheless, ancient genomes shared by modern-day Lebanese and Sardinia populations suggests their lineage could have begun with Phoenician seafarers using the island as a way station of sorts.

    • Replies: @De Deplorable Doc
  206. @jeff stryker

    Sardinia was already home to an indigenous population, when the Phoenicians arrived. They were a mix of the Early European Farmers and Western Hunter Gatherers. Ötzi the Tyrolean Ice Mummy from 5300 years past has genomic DNA that most resembles most modern Sardinians. The male Y-haplogroup G2 (also a feature of Ötzi) is common to 20%+ of Sardinian males. You are correct to note that the Phoenicians were the first literate outsiders to settle parts of the island. They made some limited genetic impact in certain areas though, based on the recent studies I’ve seen.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  207. @jeff stryker

    You may be thinking of Ibiza island off the coast of Spain. The ancient Phoenicians made a huge genetic impact there, such that a modern Ibizan seems more Phoenician genetically than a modern Lebanese.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  208. @De Deplorable Doc

    I’ve read that Greek Cypriots also have considerable Phoenician admixture.

    Which all makes sense. Because islands were way stations for Phoenicians.

  209. @jeff stryker

    I live in Southeast Asia and write this comment from a Southeastern Asian country,

    Irrelevant, but tell yourself whatever.

    Germans are not walking around with 10 year old boys as the common presumption goes.

    Wrong but ok.

    I know you have a vested interest in this seeing to it that you are German I believe. Dont be so personally offended. What I’m saying is the truth

  210. @EastKekistani

    I doubt it. Argentina, unlike the US was overwhelmingly European in the first half of the 20th Century. According to Grant, it was over 95% European and over 85% were immigrants or the children of recent immigrants. I don’t buy that they We’re demographically replaced within 2 to 3 generations. That’s impossible.

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