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We learned yesterday that Roger Hallam, co-founder of Extinction Rebellion (“XR”) apologised after his comments about the Holocaust sparked outrage.

I was curious to find out what it was that Hallam said that led to such indignation. German Green politician Volker Beck accused Mr Hallam on Twitter of “bringing the climate movement into disrepute.” German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said the Nazi genocide was “uniquely inhumane” (can the German foreign minister provide a list of what he considers to have been ‘humane’ genocides?). Ullstein, Hallam’s German publisher announced it had stopped publication of Hallam’s book on climate change and that it was disassociating itself from his comments.

Judging by the scale of the histrionics I assumed that Hallam had broken every rule. He must have praised Hitler or perhaps justified or even denied the Holocaust all together. Apparently, he said nothing at all like that. In an interview with Die Zeit, Hallam stated that the Holocaust was “just another fuckery in human history.” The “fact of the matter,” he said, “is, millions of people have been killed in vicious circumstances on a regular basis throughout history.” He concluded by observing that genocides have occurred repeatedly over the past 500 years and “in fact, you might say it is like a regular event”.

At least on its face, his statements were factually correct, Hallam didn’t deny or diminish anyone’s suffering. Quite the opposite, he expressed a universal disgust with all forms of oppression and hatred.

What was Hallam’s crime? Apparently, that he spoke both authentically and ethically, and ignored the fact that this form of discourse is extinct within contemporary ‘Left’ and progressive circles.

XR’s Annemarie Botzki tweeted: “We distance ourselves from Roger Hallam’s trivialising and relativising comments about the Holocaust.” Hallam is being accused of ‘trivializing’ and ‘relativizing’ the holocaust simply by noting the clear and undeniable fact that history has witnessed more than one systematic destruction of one people by another.

The study of history benefits from a comparative approach. Our scholarly understanding of the past expands when we can see, for instance, the equivalence between the ethnic cleansing in Kosovo and the 1948 Palestinian Nakba. Our understanding of Zionism grows when we delve into the parallels between the national socialist aspirations of the early Labour Zionists and those of German National Socialism that surfaced later. Yet, within the domain of the Holocaust religion such a scholarly comparative approach is regarded as the ultimate heresy. To examine the Holodomor, the Boer War, Stalin’s crimes, Neocon global atrocities, or Israeli War Crimes alongside the Holocaust is perceived by some as the ultimate profanity as it ‘relativises’ that which ‘must’ extend beyond history and reason, namely ‘The Holocaust.’

For Jewish institutions, Holocaust: ‘Relativisation,’ ‘Trivialization’ and ‘Universalization’ are the ‘ultimate crimes’ as they tend to prevent the crystallization of the Holocaust as a unique chapter in human history. The attempt is made by these institutions to prevent the application of language that is ‘specific to the holocaust’ to events that are unrelated to it or to Jewish suffering in general.

We are stumbling upon two core elements at the heart of the Holocaust religion. One is, of course, the primacy of Jewish suffering. The other is the Orwellian attempt to dominate language, terminology, vocabulary and expressions by restricting the usage of certain words so the words themselves serve Jewish identitarian causes.

The great Israeli thinker Yeshayahu Leibowitz noticed as early as the 1970s that the Holocaust was morphing from an event in history into a dogmatic religion. It was he who coined the notion “Holocaust religion.” Leibowitz perceived that, although Jews believe in many different things, Judaism, Bolshevism, Human Rights, Zionism and Anti Zionism: all Jews believe in the Holocaust. A decade later in 1987, Israeli philosopher Adi Ophir expanded on this shift in Jewish consciousness and identification. In his paper On Sanctifying the Holocaust: An Anti-Theological Treatise, Ophir admitted that “a religious consciousness built around the Holocaust may become the central aspect of a new religion.”

Ophir listed the four commandments of the new religion:

  1. “Thou shalt have no other holocaust.”
  2. “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image or likeness.”
  3. “Thou shalt not take the name in vain.”
  4. “Remember the day of the Holocaust to keep it holy, in memory of the destruction of the Jews of Europe.”

Ophir’s commandments illuminate these two Judeo Centric core elements of the Holocaust religion. The primacy of Jewish Suffering (1, 2 and 4) and strict lingual restrictions (1,2 &3).

Orwell’s insights into left authoritarianism that made 1984 into a prophetic masterpiece together with Ophir’s thoughts provide us with the intellectual framework to understand both the Jewish and the Left’s attitude toward the Holocaust. The Left that, at least in the past, attempted to unite us in the name of a universal ethos is now at the forefront of the battle against each of its own core values: the ethical, the universal (equality) and, most important, freedom.

Noticeably, not a single Left politician or thinker stood up for Hallam and his expression of a genuine humanist and universalist outlook. This is tragic but not surprising. It can easily be explained by the concepts of ‘Athens’ and ‘Jerusalem.’ If Athens is the birthplace of philosophy and Jerusalem is the home for Torah and Mitzvoth, then Athens teaches us how to think while Jerusalem produces a set of directives as, for example, what ‘not to say.’ The Left’s call that was born of an Athenian instinct that was both dialectical and universal has generally been reduced into a Jerusalemite set of ‘commandments’ that are totally removed from truthfulness, authenticity or human nature.

It is this Jerusalemite authoritarian mode that is quintessential to contemporary Left politics and explains why Corbyn’s Labour has expelled its best members for truthful speech. Why is it that Corbyn himself never stood for Ken Livingstone and others who were telling the truth? This systematic failure of Left politics may explain why the promised revolution never materialized. It also explains why Hallam was stabbed in the back by his allies for telling the truth.

Truth is from Athens but the Left is from Jerusalem.

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. AaronB says:

    Athens teaches us how to think and Jerusalem teaches us how to be moral and spiritual.

    The two complement each other, and should work together.

    They are today tragically bifurcated, and we can choose between an increasingly sterile rationality disconnected from emotion and spirit, or fanatic moralism that increasingly has little to do with genuine goodness.

    When Athens and Jerusalem come together again, the tragically separated streams will merge once more to form a healthy culture.

  2. Saggy says: • Website

    The Left’s call that was born of an Athenian instinct

    The ‘left’ first revealed itself in the French revolution. And it started with the guillotine. The left has been a complete fraud from the beginning as it has been led by Jews. Churhill pointed this out a long time ago …

    This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.

  3. 1940s: 18 million vs 1 million
    2010s: 14 million vs 12 million
    Who is Whom?
    There’s your Great *Comparative* Convergence.

    • Troll: Truth3
  4. Anonymous[146] • Disclaimer says:

    You have quite accurately described the new religion and its modus operandi in the current left suffering from what you call Jewishness.

    What is even worse though is that what you call the pre-traumatic stress syndrome, whether actually felt or just used to rationalize actually immoral behavior, is transforming into “pre-traumatic” violence.

    In this new series on amazon prime produced by Jewish Hollywood by Jews https://twitter.com/BubetteS/status/1197895394853670917 the systematic hunt and murder of “Nazis” is produced as both sadistic murder pornography and twisted moral indoctrination.

    Veit Harlan was accused that his film Jud Süß was used to justify the murder of innocent people. Make no mistake: productions like these are worse and gravely serious. They are part of an escalation propgramme by Jewish power in the USA and the Galut in the wider sense. Productions like these which the Jewish dominated cultural industry has pumped out relentlessly over the last years WILL help people get killed. By those who follow the message of racie-baiting Jewish bigots fully dehumanizing their opposition. And make no mistake: the “Nazis” in prodcutions like these stand for Germans; they stand for Trump voters; they stand for white, (christian) Europeans.

    The religious tone and framing of particularly this production leaves no room for vague interpretations. It is fueled by ancient Jewish fundamentalism and deeply racist and religiously supremacist ideology which World Jewry has never fully addressed, let alone overcome. One reason is their self-immunization and complete shutdown of critical introspection because of the transformation of the holocaust, Jewish suffering, absolute Jewish innocence and unfounded persecution to religious dogmas. One root of totalitarianism, said Karl Popper, was to believe to know the end of history. And the programme by Jewish radicals like these is exactly that. A final solution to goy question.

    As we can savely assume, the Mitzvot mentioned in the production refers to Amalek and the Amalekites. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalek

    And we know for a fact what these Mitzvots say and what the production implies:

    598 Deut. 25:17 – Remember what Amalek did to the Israelites
    599 Deut. 25:19 – Wipe out the descendants of Amalek
    600 Deut. 25:19 – Not to forget Amalek’s atrocities and ambush on our journey from Egypt in the desert

    White genocide stops being a far right conspiracy theory when Jewish radicals with access to tools of mass propaganda or political power and “pre-traumatic stress syndrome” use perceived threats of their allegedly genocide to rationalize and fascilitate very real violence and collective racial hatred in the present day.

    I have seriously come to the conclusion that radicalized members of the tribe have become a mortal threat to especially my people, the Germans, and to white Europeans in the wider sense. Especially when you live like a sitting duck in still occupied Germany and when Jews in the past were in fact implied in attempts of genocide against German civilians in the poisoning attempt by the “Jewish Avengers” and in their role in post-war Germany and the greatest ethnic cleansing in human history of Germans from the Sudetenland and what is now Poland.

    It is unacceptable, immoral, evil and it must be stopped. By any means necessary.

    Yet in reality we know that the holocaust was used from the start as a weapon against occupied Germany from Nuremberg on, the Amalek inscription on The Hague is also no coincidence, and universal notions were rejected from the start. For the innocently murdered and ethnically cleansed Germans it was vae victis; for the Jews to this day it is the privilege to self-worship and the deification of their suffering as the moral, metaphysical framework of the current political world order. It is the mental virus killing us slowly but surely.

    Well then, we children of Edom will have to liberate ourselves!

  5. tumi says:

    “New York Times columnist Tom Friedman says the Iraq war worked out for the best and he stands by his decision to support it in his “personal crusade” to bring pluralism to the Arab world.
    On stage at Temple Emanu-El in New York in September (video of which was posted this month), Friedman said that Arab pluralism is good for Israel, and assured the audience that “Israel had me at hello” — at 9 years old in 1962 — and he will never abandon the Jewish state. Though he worries that the next generation of Times columnists won’t be so committed.–”

    https://mondoweiss.net/2019/11/i-would-do-it-again-tom-friedman-stands-by-support-for-iraq-war-in-personal-crusade-to-change-arab-world/

    Here is a man who should have been sent to jail for inciting war against Iraq and causing innumerable deaths plenty of destructions and dislocations and causing huge ecological damages victimizations of innocents terrorism and mass migration and millions of deaths is still bragging about his incitement with straight face . But he still has the job and has the publishers fawning at him .
    Over there a German guy doesn’t apparently excoriate the Nazi the way the Devil, the Evil ,the head priests of Inquisition ,the worst of the worst in the hell that cant be imagined are excoriated or should be excoriated without exception. Friedman the one with flat brain is worried of NYT not having propagandist like him in future .

    Yes ,its all about Zionism ,whether you kill millions in Iraq ,engulf the region in fire ,cause massive dislocation and deaths and destroy the society or when you decry the Nazism – both have to be for continued red success of the Zionism .

    And they still worship Herzl https://medium.com/@rosselson/theodor-herzl-visionary-or-antisemite-97bfbe92980 showing the inherent inconsistencies and contradictions both among the diaspora ( like Friedman and the German version of ADL [ if it exists ,but you get the idea) and within Israel.

    • Agree: Truth3, HEREDOT, Gall
    • Replies: @sally
  6. NPleeze says:

    It’s not just the Left that sanctifies the Holohoax, the ZioNazis and their ilk will skin you twice as hard for it. Not like the Orange Satan, Evangelicals or Faux News stood up for him, is it? Of course not, they wouldn’t dare, they all serve the ZioNazi Empire; they are even more likely to castigate him.

    Fact is there is no free speech in the “West”, ahd the malicious and nefarious Holohoax lie is the prime driver of this incessant destruction of freedom, truth, honor and dignity.

  7. @AaronB

    ‘Athens teaches us how to think and Jerusalem teaches us how to be moral and spiritual…’

    But — although I’ve challenged you repeatedly to do so — you’ve never provided a specific example of the latter.

    I suspect you’re not able to do so.

  8. TRM says:

    https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/MURDER.HTM

    Governments do it all the time. Democide is the term.

  9. tumi says:
    @Colin Wright

    This Athens and Jerusalem thing can be from the secretive elitist conspiratorial mind and brain of the neon guru Leo Strauss . Lies were made moral and golden by him He also misinterpreted Plato. It has meaning but not the way Leo stressed . .Jerusalem of Zionism did not and couldn’t tolerate the more enduring and always evolving ,always self critical self analytical ambience of Athens .

  10. @AaronB

    and Jerusalem teaches us how to be moral and spiritual

    Typically tin-eared Tribal drivel.

    What moral lesson do you get from the book of Joshua?

    What moral lesson do you draw from the exhortation to kill disobedient children?

    What moral lesson do you draw from the exhortation to kill anyone who picks up sticks on a Saturday?

    What moral lesson do you draw from the exhortation to steal everything that’s not tied down as you make a run for it? (Exodus)

    What moral lesson do you draw from the exhortation to slaughter everything that breathes in the towns of vanquished enemies?

    What moral lesson do you draw from your Invisible Sky maniac drowning the world because his ass wasn’t being adequately kissed? (That story does give a proper understanding of the concept of sunk cost – but that’s neither moral or spiritual).

    The obvious moral lesson: anyone who hews to the core doctrines of that collection of primitive bullshit should not be permitted to participate in society.

    Seriously, habibi: anyone who views Jerusalem as a font of moral or spiritual guidance is depraved.

    For morality the Quran beats the OT, hands down – and I hold no brief for the Muzzies.

    Ingersoll’s lecture “The Mistakes of Moses is an excellent primer for anybody who wants to see the Bronze Age self-lionizing bullshit torn apart book by book.

    (As primitive bullshit goes, the Torah is 2000 years more primitive than Indian mysticism of the same period: kind of like life in the shtetls compared with life in a late-19th century town).

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @obvious
  11. Exile says:
    @AaronB

    Athens and Jerusalem are attached at the hip in Washington D.C. How’s that working out for everyone?

  12. I agree with the author’s general points re — the holocaust becoming a religion, a dictatorial religion, (as examples) like the Geneva protestants in the 1500’s or the Catholic Church dealing with heresy (although the church could sometimes be merciful & allow people to renounce their heresy etc)
    Where the author annoys me is his constant need to make Jew & Left synonymous.
    This shows a complete failure to understand the pure protean character of the Jewish culture. The Jew’s can take on the rudiments & appearances of ANY ideology. To intimate that there are no Jew’s on the Right is a perversion.
    Incidentally — the author’s reference to “1984” as Left authoritarianism is wrong. The world of Big Brother is in no way Left, marxist or progressive. Orwell deals with “the left”, & particularly Soviet communism in “Animal Farm”.

  13. Svevlad says:

    If I was him, I’d literally publicly start humiliating everyone from the XR for being retards. I’d cause so much mental trauma that the only way to stop it would be to execute me.

    Histrionic bitches like that really piss me off, I’d demonstrate to them what actual cruelty looks like with absolutely zero regrets, since they really aren’t fully human.

  14. @AaronB

    “and Jerusalem teaches us how to be moral and spiritual.”

    Where did you get this BS from ? Not only Jerusalem is immoral , it doesn’t even have a concept of ethics. In Jerusalem ethics is replaced by Torah and Mitzvoth …blind obedience is the name of the game … you say spiritual … Judaism doesn’t even allow plastic art as it prohibits imagery ,, in Jerusalem there is no spirit but fearfulness of an evil god who is unethical and irrational … Jerusalem is the rotten aspect of Western Civilisation .. unfortunately this element is inherent to human nature (as opposed to Jews) so we have to go out of our way to identify it and suppress it ..

  15. anonymous[899] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    The “moral law” rests on the nature of man as God’s likeness, and is expressive thereof. It is therefore autonomous, not heteronomous. From this concept of human life flows and follows necessarily its ethical quality as being under obligation to fulfil the divine intention which is in reality its own intention.

    Enoch, Noah, Abraham, and other heroes of tradition, representing generations that lived before the Sinaitic revelation of the Law, are conceived of as leading a virtuous life; while, on the other hand, Cain’s murder and Sodom’s vices illustrate the thought that righteousness and its reverse are not wilful creations and distinctions of a divinely proclaimed will, but are inherent in human nature.

    But Israel, being the people with whom God had made His covenant because of the Patriarchs who loved Him and were accordingly loved by Him—having no other claim to exceptional distinction than this—is under the obligation to be the people of God, that is to illustrate and carry out in all the relations of human life, individual and social, the implications of man’s godlikeness.

    http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5888-ethics

    * * *
    Jewish Ethics: Some Basic Concepts and Ideas
    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jewish-ethics-some-basic-concepts-and-ideas/

    The Journal of Jewish Ethics
    http://www.psupress.org/Journals/jnls_JJE.html

    • Replies: @G. Poulin
    , @Gilad Atzmon
  16. The Shoah: never before, never again.

    Applies to everything, can be compared to nothing.

    Unthinkable, but never forget.

  17. G. Poulin says:
    @anonymous

    Man’s “godlikeness” was lost at the Fall. Our task is not to “work out the implications” of a godlikeness that does not exist, but rather to seek to restore some portion of that lost image in our own souls. Otherwise we are nothing but animals.

  18. Truth3 says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Golden Truth Cubed Award of the Day… Gilad Atzmon.

    Bravo Gilad.

  19. @AaronB

    Athens teaches us how to think and Jerusalem teaches us how to be moral and spiritual.
    —————————————————————–
    @Deluded Khazar

    Jerusalem wouldn’t know morality or spirituality if it was hit with an earthquake.
    The inhabitants would scream:”How did the anti-semites cause and earthquake?”

    You and your people are a pathetic joke. A literal synagogue of satan.

    • Agree: Druid
  20. Polemos says:
    @AaronB

    Where do the Cherokee fit into your bifurcation?

  21. PPB says:

    Regarding the Left, I’m tempted simply to refer to the old truism that anything taken to its extreme reverts to its opposite. One could extend this principle to all partisan politics (the fun house reflection of sectarian religion, or is it the other way around?),by lamenting that those poor true believers just don’t know when to leave well enough alone.

    As for the enduring Holocaust fixation, it’s perhaps unique in its own right as an extreme version of “Remember the Alamo” or “Remember the Maine”, as a rallying cry that focuses upon a traumatic event perpetrated by an “other”, while amplified and echoed through its propagandization. This fixation is also curious in the extent to which it relies upon the support of other populations, in this case non-Jews, to perpetuate a consensus regarding its paradigmatic nature, when a more neutral and detached approach would be to recognize the Holocaust as one tragic and distasteful event among others of similar scale (some lesser, some greater) in humanity’s often sordid history.

    As an aside, I suppose that Europeans could still be mourning the suffering and death caused by the plague, but the human psyche isn’t really wired to demonize a bacterium or virus as the supreme embodiment of evil. Though maybe if one viewed God as the source and creator of such microorganisms, one could transfer that responsibility onto … well, no need to go there.

    But, continuing in a theological vein, the emphasis on the uniqueness of the Holocaust does remind me of Christianity’s insistence on the metaphysical uniqueness of Jesus of Nazareth. And going back further, is this notion of Jesus’s uniqueness borrowed from the Jewish notion of Yahweh as the Big Daddy– with the monotheist principle subsequently transferred onto the Son? But then, the Hebrew Bible, at least in terms of its surface narrative, makes reference to the gods of other tribes, and thus appears to express an implicit polytheism, even if a jealous head honcho reigns supreme among all the lesser gods. The similarity here to the insistence upon the Holocaust as the unparalleled example of human suffering and injustice, supreme above all other “lesser” examples, may or may not be coincidental, though I’d write it off as little more than a reflection of all cultures to view their own standards as normative. But when one culture among many seeks to impose its norms upon other cultures … well, we have more than one example of that tendency these days, and the sole perpetrator isn’t Judaism or Jews. In that connection, I will give a definite nod to Gilad’s attempt to promote the Athenian ethos as a paradigm that could benefit a wide swath of humanity.

    However,something that can also be said on behalf of Christianity is that it offers its adherents a resurrection that redeems, through its transcendent power, the earthly suffering embodied in the crucifixion. Will Judaism, whether its religious or secular variant, be able to provide a similar vision for its people? Or will that people’s sense of collective identity continue to be mired in a masochistic remembrance of a temporal event? One can only hope for a more fulfilling resolution, most definitely excluding some bogus notion of an earthly messiah— what begins in time, ends in time, and now it’s time for me to shut up 🙂

  22. @Gilad Atzmon

    Depends on your point of view. I find it immoral the way you cherry pick criminal Jews to prove your “philosophy” about Judaism being an unethical religion of blind faith dogma based on Torah and mitzvah, not reason and facts like Athens. You write articles on Epstein, organ trafficking and Israelis involved in sexual crimes in foreign countries to build a reasoned argument about Jews and Judaism.

    Gossiping, piling on with generalizations on partial facts is prima facia unethical and anti Athenian. You use facts to support an emotional hatred to form conclusions: That Judaism is unethical and immoral therefore it produces unethical immoral criminals, the same criminals brutalizing the Palestinians.

    Don’t you think your gratuitous satisfaction in the tragedy of others disqualifies you as a judge on immoral and unethical behavior? Isn’t that behavior a dishonest way to reason a conclusion about a group of people and their behavior? Would any greek philosopher support your conclusions as reasonable logical and unemotional?

    I was always taught as a Jerusalemite that thriving and over the tragedy of others is wrong. I feel that deeply.

    Also lying about your political beliefs and pretending that you have none and that you are anot a political participant but observer is a lie. You lie a lot. You were caught lying in a court of law. Truth being the foundation of greek philosophy for the purpose of coming to an ethical conclusion. You falsely hide behind this non political smoke screen to garner far right for support (Neo Nazis and racist), these people hate the permissiveness of the left, and blame Jews for LGBT, feminism and globalism, ideas you support. You were a socialist labour supporter until they dropped you.

    You see Gilad it is the little things.

    • Agree: AaronB
    • Troll: Kolya Krassotkin
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  23. Anonymous[162] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    In a typical inversion of reality, so typical for Jewish psychoanalysis, Jewish (Cultural) Marxism and Jewish social theory, even the bright Karl Popper made the mistake to attribute the root of totalitarianism to Plato. While there are some totalitarian aspects in Plato’s thought – traceable to this day, he was still grounded in Athens. The real root of totalitarianism is Abrahamism, it is Jerusalem.

    Total control over the world in unity under divine rule and total subjugation of the individual under an absolute “divine” law that goes beyond life and death in eternity, grounded in the absolute ideology of its teachings: in Judaism the world united in subjugation under the chosen race, the race chosen by God, the master and creator of the universe who gave the privilege to the chosen race to dominate the gentiles like the animals they are described as. And the old testament is filled with glorification of massacres, killings, abusive and immoral behavior and as mentioned above genocide and justifications of preemptive genocide. Even the Psalms praise God who piles the dead (of the enemies).

    Without the taboos surrounding Jewish power and the Jewish religion, we would not be surprised by the behavior objectively visible in Rothschild, Epstein, Weinstein, Madoff, Wiesel, Waxner, Adelson, Soros, Mounk, Spielberg and so, so many others at this point. Just like noone is surprised by the actions of Wahhabists, or evangelical fanatics like Mike Pompeo.

    Jewish supremacism too is real, and it exploits, it abuses, it tortures, it kills. And it is grounded in metaphysical, totalitarian ideology. That makes it so dangerous.

  24. @Gilad Atzmon

    ‘so we have to go out of our way to identify it and suppress it ..’

    About the only part of your post I would disagree with is this.

    Should we really attempt to ‘identify and repress’ this perhaps unpalatable aspect of our nature — or should we attempt to come to terms with it, and set limits to it?

    Sometimes I think we’re engaged in a futile attempt to be better than we are. Moral striving is all well and good — but surely some realism is called for as well?

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  25. PPB says:
    @AaronB

    “Athens teaches us how to think and Jerusalem teaches us how to be moral and spiritual. ”

    While at their respective best this may indeed be true of Athens and Jerusalem, the problem is that guidelines regarding how to be moral and spiritual can all too easily be rigidified into a framework that allows for easy political exploitation and domination. That’s less true of a system that encourages inquiry and open dialogue. However, I do agree with you that the synthesis of both approaches (which were never divided in their origin, but we humans seem to love division) is the true ideal.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  26. @Fran Taubman

    ‘I was always taught as a Jerusalemite that thriving and over the tragedy of others is wrong. I feel that deeply.’

    …but you’re apparently unable to see the yawning chasm between that aspiration and support for Israel — which could not exist without the tragedy of others, and cannot continue to exist unless their tragedy continues. It was supposedly ‘a land without a people for a people without a land,’ and so it was okay.

    Except the land in fact had a people, and still does, and so it was not okay, and still isn’t okay.

    At best, you are unconsciously hypocritical. At worst, you choose to be dishonest with yourself.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  27. @anonymous

    precious ,,,, so this is what choseness is all about,,, merging money and spirituality 🙂

    • Replies: @anonymous
  28. @animalogic

    Though I understand where you are coming from, your analysis of “1984” is slightly off the mark.

    Orwell’s, “1984”, was originally to be called “1948” and was in reality a metaphor against the British state. It was his publisher who convinced him to rename it to, “1984”, as the original title was too close to home.

    The reason that “1984” was written was a result of Orwell’s observations as to how the British state during WWII was able to convince all Britons in 1940 of having nothing but revulsion for Stalin to that of a people subordinated to the idea of calling him “Papa Joe” in 1945…

    So indirectly, “1984” had very much to do with a “Left” perspective…

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  29. @anonymous

    The links you produced suggest that the authors of these links do not know what ethics stands for,,, Ethics is the ability to make more universal moral judgments (Athens) as opposed to repeating readymade so called ethical directives (Jerusalem) …

    • Replies: @anonymous
  30. @Colin Wright

    Setting limit to it and trying to suppress it are pretty equal in my book,,,

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  31. Mr Atzmon, it boils down to the issue of dead Jews being somehow worth more, more important than any other dead people. “Choseness” extends beyond this life.

    Volker Beck is a homosexual degenerate, and likely a Jew, like almost all these cultural marxist sick “Greens”.
    The Central Council on Outrage(ZDJ), equivalent to ADL jewish lobby mafia, love Beck, they gave him the Leo Baeck award for his, quote “fight against anti-senitism and Israel hostility”.
    Volker beck also actively fights for decriminalizing pedophilia, like the “Greens” in general.,

    • Replies: @PPB
  32. AaronB says:
    @PPB

    Very true.

    Rationality can get perverted, and moralism and faith can get perverted.

    There is no good thing in this world that does not have a dark side.

    As I constantly argue, everything comes into existence with its opposite, as a pair. “Single” things do not exist. Only pairs exist.

    Go deeper, pairs only exist as part of a system. In the end, the only “atom” is the entire universe in its totality.

    Dualistic cultures, like the Christian West, have lost sight of this. They believe one good thing can be pushed to an extreme and become absolute.

    Reason is good – but the West believes it can, and should, become absolute. This, we are now discovering, is folly.

    Judaism believes there is One principle underlying all of reality – therefore, no single aspect of life should be pushed to the exclusion of its opposite.

    This does not mean Jews do not go to extremes – that is a natural human tendency. But they have a sort of self-correcting tendency inside the culture that seems absent in the Christian West, and that is a constant source of renewal.

    Judaism went through a dry rationalist phase – and then countered it with an explosion of mysticism. The Christian West seems to lack this inner resource to correct extremes. It seems to go in one direction only – towards the realisation of one side of the duality.

    Yes, reason and faith are both good. You cannot live without faith. Even the Law of Causality must, ultimately, be accepted in faith, as Hume showed. And Kant showed that our entire mental life must be accepted in faith.

    But total doubt and total faith are the same thing – and if the West learns again to doubt, it may rediscover faith.

    Morality, too, is a good thing – but pushed too far, it becomes a bad thing, and causes the exact thing it seeks to avoid – injustice and suffering.

    • Replies: @PPB
    , @Nodwink
    , @Poco
  33. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Sorry, buddy, you’re too short for this ride 🙂

    I’ll get back to you when I’m interested again in discussing politics and Israel. I won’t forget you, Colin, don’t worry.

    In the meantime, why not go fishing and hunting, buy some guns, and hate on blacks and Jews and intellectuals, and be a good ol’ American boy, living it up in rural Oregon.

    I’ll eventually be back to talking about Israel, and you can emerge from your backwoods hut to snipe ate constantly 🙂

    • Troll: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @PPB
  34. @Colin Wright

    No Jews I know are happy about the tragedy of the Palestinians. In fact they have done all that they could to alleviate that tragedy and suffering.
    It is the Arab muslim leaders who stand by and watch the suffering all the while cashing checks for huge salaries in the millions.
    These leaders could have done so so much to help their people instead of resistance form an economy, join the international community and see their people prosper.

  35. @Gilad Atzmon

    ‘“and Jerusalem teaches us how to be moral and spiritual.”

    Where did you get this BS from ? ‘

    It sounds remarkably like Ben Shapiro. There’s a piece on the sainted Ben right here on Unz — and somebody like Shapiro would be just about AaronB’s top speed, if he put his foot to the floor.

  36. PPB says:
    @AaronB

    Yes, easier to worship a fragment than to discover the whole. In fact, the entire history of humanity could be summarized by this principle.

    • Agree: AaronB
  37. @Gilad Atzmon

    ‘Setting limit to it and trying to suppress it are pretty equal in my book,,,’

    Well, no.

    I can deny that I have any urge to violence — try to suppress it. Me, want to kill? Never…

    Or, I can go deer hunting — but not blow away the neighbor’s cat, or the neighbor.

    There’s a distinction.

    It is interesting. Take the rural area I’ve moved to. Remarkably peaceful — at least by American standards. In a county with a hundred thousand residents, no murders last year. No rapes. No armed robberies. This is in spite of the area being rather depressed, economically.

    But people are armed to the teeth. And deer hunting’s popular. So’s elk hunting.

  38. @Fran Taubman

    ‘No Jews I know are happy about the tragedy of the Palestinians. In fact they have done all that they could to alleviate that tragedy and suffering.
    It is the Arab muslim leaders who stand by and watch the suffering all the while cashing checks for huge salaries in the millions.
    These leaders could have done so so much to help their people instead of resistance form an economy, join the international community and see their people prosper.’

    Your post is the purest hypocrisy from start to finish. If you can’t even see that, so much the worse for you. Now, I have to look up how much cold lettuce can take. I may need to cover them…

  39. anonymous[899] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    You are as much a philosopher as a musician: generic, superficial, boring.

    First of all, he wasn’t talking about money. And if he was, then a philosopher is supposed to understand that money is not a material thing, as well as that whatever a man does he does pursuing a desire, that is – it comes from the heart, and the heart means his spirit. A spirit per se is not a definition of goodness, since it is capable of hate.

    This is what he meant talking about the Star of David: to bring the goodness into this world through action, inspired from the higher plane and to elevate the world to higher plane through such actions. You should change the name, Atzmon and stop embarassing the Jewish people with these articles and comments. Just stop being a Jew, please.

    Become a Christian or something, get a new name and leave us alone. You are mean.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Paw
  40. AaronB says:
    @anonymous

    That is a beautiful video, and very true. Thanks.

    As I explore Judaism, I find this increasingly to be true.

    I was a bit shocked at Atzmon’s response to this video – I did not think he was dishonest, but now I do. I have him too much credit. Where did the guy mention money!?

    (Actually, he suggested an excessive preoccupation with money was an aspect of Western materialism. He is of course correct. It has often been noted that Israel, the Jewish state, has not been preoccupied with economic succes, and although it has recently grown wealthy, it has not distinguished itself in this regard).

    Anyways, back to the idea of the fusion of opposites – this is the idea that will heal the Western world. And once again it seems likely the West will relearn this lesson from us. It is truly a strange thing and surely pregnant with significance – but the Christian West seems unable, despite a few exceptional philosophers, to develop the inner resources needed to develop this idea. They must repeatedly import it from the outside.

    We must also not forget that there is indeed a strain in the West that promotes fusion of opposites – Bohme, Eckhart, Blake, Coleridge, Hegel, Jung, and many more. And of course we know these thinkers were heavily influenced by Kabbalah.

    And we should also keep in mind that while excessive unworldliness was the predominant note of much of Indian philosophy and religion, the idea of fusion of opposites received magnificent expression in Taoism, Mahayana, Tantra, and Zen.

    The function of the Jews may be not so much as the only or primary exemplars of this crucial idea, but as a particularly prominent example perched between worlds.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @anonymous
  41. PPB says:
    @Germanicus

    In other words, the only thing that is important is to expand all freedoms, no matter how injurious to the health of a society (fundamentalist centrifugalism, one might call this), and we can therefore completely ignore the balancing influence of any centripetal force that might seek to discipline and contain the dissolving force of unbridled expansion, so as to maintain the integrity of the whole. I can only imagine the backlash that this kind of narrowly self-serving stupidity will generate, and hope that it too doesn’t veer equally far in its own opposite direction.

    As a sidenote, I first thought that “gutezitate.com” might have been meant ironically, but it seems that the entire West’s nonsense filter, just like its moral and civic ethos, has become just a bit too permeable.

    • Replies: @Germanicus
    , @Colin Wright
  42. @Colin Wright

    Followers of Jerusalem are the least moral and spiritual people on Earth..There is nothing creepier than zionism.

  43. In a statement posted to its Instagram Stories, the company said it was notified that one of its looks “could be misconstrued as referring to one of the most odious moments in the history of mankind” and apologized “to anyone who might feel we were insensitive to sacred memories.”

    https://www.rt.com/news/474207-loewe-clothing-concentration-camp-complaints/

    “spanish Loewe”, uhm, jewish?

    Could the NBA, NFL, WWE and other US sports please, and urgently apologize for their referee outfits with these black-white stripes?

  44. PPB says:
    @AaronB

    Ah, the never-ending spitball fight, in which the last word always remains penultimate, and a new volley begins as if foreordained.

    But I will have to confirm the virtues of rural Oregon, whatever cultural tropes anyone might want to associate with it.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  45. anonymous[899] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    The links you produced suggest that the authors of these links do not know what ethics stands for. Ethics is the ability to make more universal moral judgments (Athens) as opposed to repeating readymade so called ethical directives (Jerusalem).

    And who said this? The great Gilados Atzmones?

    Here is a question dear philosopher: how on earth are you going to make a universal moral judgment without defining universal moral principles first? And how are you going to define these moral principles without defining universal concepts of good and evil? Right and wrong? How are you going to tell who is more universal – Socrates or Epicurus, Kant or Nietzsche?

    Your comments are becoming ridiculous.

  46. @PPB

    As a sidenote, I first thought that “gutezitate.com” might have been meant ironically, but it seems that the entire West’s nonsense filter, just like its moral and civic ethos, has become just a bit too permeable.

    I should probably translate the Beck statement on pedophilia.
    No, Beck’s statement was absolutely serious, these “greens” don’t joke about it, they had it officially in the party program in the 80ies.

    The decriminalization of pedosexuality is urgently necessary, given the current state of global criminalization, not at least because it is kept up in opposition to and not in accordance with the rule of law.

    Volker Beck

    No comment, but my blood boils when translating it.

  47. sarz says:

    There is a false presupposition undergirding this article. It is that there was a Holocaust. It is particularly irritating to come across this defect in much of Atzmon’s writing. Especially when I know that Atzmon knows better.

  48. AaronB says:
    @PPB

    Ah, but I think you have not thought deeply enough on this, although you are on the right track my friend 🙂

    The spitball fight does not end, cannot end. That is the meaning of non duality. Not a kind of placid peace where nothing happens and there are no distinctions. Rather, the embrace of conflict, in which no side ever completely wins.

    If the spitball fight ends, and one side finally wins – there you have duality. There you also have the end of everything. If light wins over darkness, it thereby abolished itself.

    Conflict seen in this light can be honest, but is also kind of humorous – as a Zen master said, there is nothing left to do but have a good belly laugh, once you understand the world.

    The thing is not to collapse distinctions – but to not take them too seriously, but with a twinkle in the eye and a bit of humor.

    Incidentally, I was reading a book about Japan recently and was struck by how the deep importance in Japan of ritual mirrors the importance of ritual in Jewish life.

    Both nations seem to recognize the importance of making out of everyday life an act of reverent ritual and restoring a sense of the sacred to even the smallest of every day activities. Jewish “law” is often dismissed in the West as inferior to the philosophic character of Christianity, but one fails to see the deep peace of mind that comes from not constantly philosophizing about everything.

    And that is really what we want out of a religion – acceptance of ourselves and the world, the faith and trust to be spontaneous and our true selves, and a sense of rightness with the universe. We do not want the anxiety of constant questioning. We want a faith, not a philosophy.

    Of course, it is well known that Law too can become smothering and empty husks. And for that we have the Prophets reminding us again and again that God despises our sacrifices and demands of us only that we be kind to the poor, the widow, the orphan, and the stranger.

    The opposite of a great truth is also true 🙂

  49. @AaronB

    ‘That is a beautiful video, and very true. Thanks.

    As I explore Judaism, I find this increasingly to be true…’

    !

    I’m going to have to take care not to read any of your posts Thanksgiving Day.

    I’m going to want to enjoy the meal.

    ‘It has often been noted that Israel, the Jewish state, has not been preoccupied with economic succes, and although it has recently grown wealthy, it has not distinguished itself in this regard)…’

    You’re priceless. This is even better than when you recommended ‘We Work’ as an example of the Israeli business ethos.

    Aside from the massive amount of criminal fraud, illegal trafficking in human organs, undercutting US embargoes, etc, etc…have you counted how many billionaires are in Israel?

    Whose prime minister was just indicted on multiple counts of corruption again?

  50. @Steve Naidamast

    ‘Though I understand where you are coming from, your analysis of “1984” is slightly off the mark.

    Orwell’s, “1984” was originally to be called “1948”…’

    Do tell. Do you have a source for that?

    I’m not doubting you. It’s just that I may want to make use of the fact, and I’ll want something better as a footnote than ‘some dude on the internet.’

  51. @PPB

    ‘… In other words, the only thing that is important is to expand all freedoms, no matter how injurious to the health of a society (fundamentalist centrifugalism, one might call this), and we can therefore completely ignore the balancing influence of any centripetal force that might seek to discipline and contain the dissolving force of unbridled expansion, so as to maintain the integrity of the whole…’

    Here, note that America in the period ca 1830-1880 did more or less exemplify unbridled freedom.

    You really could do whatever you wanted, and people often did just that. The expression ‘free, white, and twenty one’ pretty much summed it up.

    What’s more, the society was pretty successful.

    Now, I’ll freely grant all the caveats and counter-arguments but the fact is, anarchy has been more or less tried, and it more or less worked.

    • Replies: @PPB
  52. Muggles says:

    In Julius Caesar’s Commentary on the Gallic Wars (or some similar title) he brags about wiping out dozens of troublesome tribes of Gauls. Either killed them all or after wiping out their warriors, captured their women/children and sold them into slavery.

    To the estimated hundreds of thousands so affected (recall this was roughly around 35 BCE, much smaller populations) this was their Holocaust. Caesar bragged about this accomplishment and Romans lauded him for it. Even today this is seen as a great feat of arms.

    Somehow though the French have gotten over that Holocaust. In fact they get along pretty well with Italians though have on occasion traded bits of territory.

    Caesar regarded these Gauls like Hitler did the Jews. Of course he didn’t aspire to wipe them all out since there were too many and he needed workers in Gaul.

    This is all well known history. No, the Gauls never came to love the Romans (most of them anyway). But it didn’t become the Central and Only Fact of History for France. A lesson in that.

    • Agree: utu
  53. PPB says:
    @Colin Wright

    “Here, note that America in the period ca 1830-1880 did more or less exemplify unbridled freedom.

    You really could do whatever you wanted, and people often did just that. The expression ‘free, white, and twenty one’ pretty much summed it up. ”

    Sure, that works if you have the (forgive me) Lebensraum in which to live it out more or less successfully and are willing to forego the benefits of exercising a natural discipline. Most 21-year olds have understandably not yet found the balance between these two poles, but the unbridled lust for experience and uninhibited self-expression can be one of many tools that aid in acquiring it, as can the fatigue that sooner or later results from these.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  54. PPB says:

    “The spitball fight does not end, cannot end”

    This is quite simply a cop-out. You’re using a general, abstract principle to rationalize your very specific personal investment in a silly, tiresome and pointless game. The spitball fight can quite simply end if you, and you alone, abandon it (If thine right eye offend thee, etc. …) But you don’t have the strength or determination to do so. Moreover, it would disappoint your adversary(ies) that they no longer have Aaron to play with and offer them covert support in their own game. You’re simply giving them more ammunition by continuing with this spiel.

    Prove me wrong … if you’re indeed up to the task.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @AaronB
  55. @Colin Wright

    The book, “1985”, by (I believe) Burgess has a complete analysis of “1984” in the first part of the book in which you should find this information.

    In the 1980s, the author saw more dystopian damage from unions run amuck than that of a totalitarian government. But it was a different time…

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  56. AaronB says:
    @PPB

    Of course it can end if I stop. And of course by responding I keep on giving them ammunition.

    But let me ask you. Why do you never ask my adversaries to stop, but only ask me?

    Second, why do you think it needs to stop? Do you want a world without conflict?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  57. AaronB says:
    @PPB

    I generally like your comments and want yo take you seriously, but I can’t help noticing Colin W left a string of sniping attacks on me on the Linh thread and you didn’t say a word, and that Linh writes a string of Jew baiting essays and you didn’t say anything.

    Yet you seem very agitated and upset only when I respond.

    I would be disappointed if you turned out to be just another partisan hack – although, I guess, I would not be disappointed at all, really 🙂

    If you have merely found a more subtle way to be a partisan warrior – although its not so subtle really – then bravo for finding a way to keep things lively, in an.interesting way.

    Although perhaps I should not give your little secret away, and continue the game 🙂

    Lets pretend I said nothing.

    • Replies: @PPB
  58. anonymous[899] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    We must also not forget that there is indeed a strain in the West that promotes fusion of opposites – Bohme, Eckhart, Blake, Coleridge, Hegel, Jung, and many more. And of course we know these thinkers were heavily influenced by Kabbalah.

    Yes I read Aurora, the Bohme’s book. That is a Christian book – pure dualism. He attempted to steal what he could from the Zohar, and dedicated much of his life to doing that. The book begins well but then goes down the spiral. He had some influence on Freemasons but there is nothing new in his adaptation of Jewish wisdom – as usual, misunderstanding of and disregard for the source and the same habitual for Christians notions of Lucifer as the anti-God who is at the same time a part of Him.

    “God is all. He is the Darkness and the Light, Love and Anger, Fire and Light, but He calls Himself God only as to the light of His love. There is an eternal Contrarium between darkness and light; neither comprehends the other and neither is the other, and yet there is but one essence or substance, though separated by pain; it is likewise so with the will, and yet there is no separable essence. One single principle is divided in this way, that one is in the other as a nothing which yet exists; but it is not manifest in the property of that thing in which it is.”

    The whole book is like this – there is no poetic grace in it, except for the preface and it is not Kabbalah, except for the themes he was attempting to explore but his ideas are more Zoroastrian or Manichean than Jewish.

    For in Judaism evil is not a separate spiritual realm but a product of disbalance between the energies of left and right side of the brain, which accumulates and concentrates in the soul, and as well in the world, including the spiritual world – that is God Himself, but it is happening in the material dimension and the surrounding it spiritual realm of the outmost spheres, and not in the inner spheres. The energies of evil cannot penetrate the subtle realm of the heart of spirit and it remains pure, and emanates wisdom which transformes into more mundane energies and into ignorance as it gets further from the source.

    And for Christians the world is a place between two opposite poles and God has two sides and two faces – like the Roman god Janus. Christians are trapped in that paradigm of dualistic thought; Hegel is no different. Eckhart was but he was unique in the Christendom and had no followers. Jung is kind of secular Kabbalist but his efforts do not impress much – something is missing. No awe, no grace in his thought. No inspiration. He was not a genuine thinker. Took a little here, a little there and wrote book after book using other peoples ideas.

    So in truth in Judaism there are no opposites which require fusion, and this in itself is not the right approach to such a topic at all. Following such a logic we will get to the idea of evil being good and good being evil, and this is what happened to Jacob Frank. And he was wrong – since in the world evil is stronger than good and to achieve balance one has to aspire to good alone. Once the equilibrium is restored we experience the realm of pure bliss, in which there is no good and no bad, no light and no darkness – the luminiferous emptiness.

    Or in the Buddhist terms: it is all Sansara, and Hell is a part of it. However it is in Sansara where we find Nirvana, and for this to happen we have to be good and to do the right thing, because we are bad enough to be here now.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  59. AaronB says:
    @anonymous

    Interesting thoughts on Bohme, Hegel,etc. It is a long time since I read him, or any of these Western spiritual authors. They were a stage on my development, for me. But you may well be correct, and my memory may be too rosy.

    You are surely correct that a genuine non dualism like Eckhart, remains very marginal in the Western tradition. I believe he was considered a sort of heretic by the official church.

    Alan Watts once that had Heraclitus been the fount of Western culture rather than the superficial Aristotle, things would have gone much better. Heraclitus seems to have been a genuine non dualist, although I am no expert on him.

    So in truth in Judaism there are no opposites which require fusion, and this in itself is not the right approach to such a topic at all. Following such a logic we will get to the idea of evil being good and good being evil, and this is what happened to Jacob Frank. And he was wrong – since in the world evil is stronger than good and to achieve balance one has to aspire to good alone. Once the equilibrium is restored we experience the realm of pure bliss, in which there is no good and no bad, no light and no darkness – the luminiferous emptiness.

    Or in the Buddhist terms: it is all Sansara, and Hell is a part of it. However it is in Sansara where we find Nirvana, and for this to happen we have to be good and to do the right thing, because we are bad enough to be here now.

    This can be taken out of Mahayana teachings. It’s interesting that in the Far East, Mahayana developed into a kind of monotheism, with Amidaba Buddhism.

    I continue to find that Mahayana and Zen themes appear on Judaism, which is very interesting.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  60. It’s the Weltmeistersucht.
    Lower races can’t be allowed to genocide as good as Germanics.

  61. PPB says:
    @AaronB

    “I generally like your comments and want yo take you seriously, but I can’t help noticing Colin W left a string of sniping attacks on me on the Linh thread and you didn’t say a word, and that Linh writes a string of Jew baiting essays and you didn’t say anything. ”

    See Post #165 from the latest Linh Dinh thread– I responded to what was essentially the same question of yours on that thread. You may have missed it.

    “Yet you seem very agitated and upset only when I respond.”

    I tend to be more critical of vulnerabilities in people, positions and arguments with which I have some sympathy– at least it might land on fertile soil and serve some constructive purpose. By contrast, I tend to ignore those people and positions I simply can’t relate to, or which wouldn’t be worth the effort to treat differently Much of the bizarrely obsessive antagonism towards Jews that I see in certain corners of the internet is simply too infantile and debased, not to mention utterly predictable and repetitive in its content, for me to get involved with, let alone arouse my combative spirit. So apart from that one particular issue, I’m not sure what party my alleged partisanship would accrue to. All that said, I do appreciate the general level of intelligence displayed in the unz.com forums, even if I disagree with, or simply can’t relate to, some of the prejudices towards which that intelligence is inclined, together with some of the conclusions towards which it leads.

    And yes, I do hate to see you used as a whipping boy for the sport of those who wish to malign Jews in general and you as a Jew. It’s no more amusing than seeing someone targeted by Junior High bullies. Why feed it? If my adamancy in that regard comes across as hostility, and that’s the spur that’s needed, so be it. You could do more by withdrawing from this pointless mutually-reinforcing combat than my direct criticism of the “sniping attacks”against you would ever accomplish.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  62. @anonymous

    ‘You are as much a philosopher as a musician: generic, superficial, boring…

    You must be a Zionist! I detect that taste for civilized discourse, that willingness to focus on the actual argument at hand, that care to avoid wanton insult…

  63. @AaronB

    ‘… But let me ask you. Why do you never ask my adversaries to stop, but only ask me?’

    I think the word you’re looking for here is ‘wahh.’

    And you were so assiduously kissing PPB’s butt, too.

    God, you’re a horror. You’re sure you’re not Nasrallah doing black propaganda or something? He’s pretty sharp; it could be…

    • LOL: Twodees Partain
  64. @PPB

    ‘… Sure, that works if you have the (forgive me) Lebensraum in which to live it out more or less successfully…’

    …one of the reasons I object vehemently to immigration — without regard to race, creed, or color.

    Where they come from is secondary. I just don’t want them to come.

    I doubt we’re going back to thirty one million Americans, but in essence, the more people there are, the less freedom can be permitted.

  65. AaronB says:
    @PPB

    Ok, fair enough.

    Its basically a version of, they’re too pathetic to be bothered with, but you can be reached. I can accept that 🙂

    But please understand I see this as a bit of a game. Obviously there is no point to respond to a Jew hater like Colin W and countless others, but it can be fun as a game.

    For someone who seems to understand a bit about non duality, I feel you are missing out on the exhilarating freedom from “respectability” one experiences when one sees through the world.

    The world is not a grim, serious affair. It is a game played by a child, as Heraclitus said.

    • Replies: @PPB
  66. @AaronB

    “Athens teaches us how to think and Jerusalem teaches us how to be moral and spiritual.”

    Have you ever read Plato?

    Socrates thought long and hard about Justice, the Good Life, the Examined Life, the Life of Reason, of rampaging Passions restrained by Forethought, of the appetites’ tyranny of the Soul and how to temper them etc.

    In other words, for an Athenian, to think about thinking and to be moral and spiritual are one and the same. Judging from your dimwitted comment, its obvious that for you, they are not.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  67. Can’s say I think much of Extinction Rebellion, but this guy got the shaft for saying absolutely nothing wrong.

  68. anonymous[899] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    This can be taken out of Mahayana teachings. It’s interesting that in the Far East, Mahayana developed into a kind of monotheism. I continue to find that Mahayana and Zen themes appear on Judaism, which is very interesting.

    Yes because it is Tantric. The Kabbalah is kind of Jewish Tantra. For sure it was influenced. After all, Jews have been living in India for two millenias. Ein Sof and Brahman, Shekhinah and Shakti, Adam and Purusha, Sefirot and Chakras – a lot of parallels here. Even Christ and Krishna. Yahweh and Shiva.

    All flows from the Hindus, and I think that Plotinus was influenced through Greco-Buddhism, and all the Neoplatonism stems from him. The Hindus are the source. However some teachings the Hindus adapted too – the astrological knowledge for instance did not originate there, but Jews and Greecs had it.

    To be honest, I feel before the Kabbalah was born, Judaism had been sort of stagnant. And it is still lacking some of that ecstatic poise that Hinduism has. For this reason I prefer to not get attached to a particular school of thought, or whatever it is and be rather eclectic – all I want is to get high and that’s it.

    And Judaism alone doesn’t cut it for me. Yet Hinduism alone is too alien, and Buddhism is too mechanical and cold. Something personal that has been forming in me is what I am into – a fusion of Vedanta, Kabbalah and Lamaism, with inclusions of the Renaissance esoterics and some Rastafarian spirit.

    To be short – a mess 🙂

    • Replies: @AaronB
  69. Caruthers says:
    @AaronB

    There is a difference between ethics and morality. Every culture has a moral code, with taboos against some acts or omissions thereof, based on ostensible fiats of deities.
    The Athenians were the first to study ethics—-to seek a rational basis for the derivation of moral rules, to seek a common unifying thread for moral rules.
    The difference between ethics and morality is like the difference between a scientific theory and a morass of disconnected facts.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  70. PPB says:
    @AaronB

    “Obviously there is no point to respond to a Jew hater like Colin W and countless others, but it can be fun as a game.”

    But I can nevertheless respect certain other positions held by the people you mention, even in cases where I don’t agree with those fully. Just because someone may hold a particular position that I find somewhat ill-considered or even distasteful doesn’t mean that I dismiss that person in other respects or as a whole, or feel constrained from giving credit where credit is due.

    “For someone who seems to understand a bit about non duality, I feel you are missing out on the exhilarating freedom from “respectability” one experiences when one sees through the world.”

    But this transparency also allows one’s innate personality to emerge more naturally and fully. That personality might express itself at times and in certain contexts as playfulness, and at others in a more serious tone, although I’m not sure why you think I have some great admiration for respectability, as though the social mirror reflected the true measure of anyone. Although it could be that I never experienced any exhilarating freedom from respectability because I never worshipped it to begin with. And remember, “nonduality” also means that existence can never be reduced to one of any set of opposites, including “play” and whatever its opposite is, maybe “constipation”.

    But what I don’t quite understand is why you consider this exchange of volleys to be play, and then whine when you’re hurt by it, and even complain about the absence of third-party intervention. You’re participation in these contentious dialogues carries the scent of a bit more than mere play, although I’ll admit that to treat life as play, and to do so with an unwavering degree of consistency, is an impossible task, not least because life expresses itself through so many more dimensions (and because the human aspect of life is riddled with inconsistencies anyway, which at the very least keeps it entertaining). However, if you have a masochistic streak that keeps you volunteering as the rodent in a whack-a-mole game, you won’t find many people prepared to comfort you if you sometimes end up bruised when you stick your head out too predictably.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @AaronB
  71. @Colin Wright

    I’m not doubting you. It’s just that I may want to make use of the fact, and I’ll want something better as a footnote than ‘some dude on the internet.’

    ‘The Last Man in Europe’ was an early title for the novel, but in a letter dated 22 October 1948 to his publisher Fredric Warburg, eight months before publication, Orwell wrote about hesitating between that title and Nineteen Eighty-Four.[13] Warburg suggested choosing the latter, a more commercial choice for the main title.[14] @ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four

  72. AaronB says:
    @anonymous

    Sure, whatever works for you.

    Judaism believes that sacred teachings were carried East and that there are legitimate teachings in the East. There is also a tradition that Jews have been exiled in order to “gather the shattered husks” – in other words, learn all the good spiritual teachings that have been scattered among the nations of the world and gather them in one place.

    And in the end, the only unique thing in Judaism is the special task of the Jewish people, its special covenant, and the ritual and law – although even the idea of elevating the material through ritual rather than denying it, the marriage of heaven and earth, has its analogue in the East, with samsara being the same as nirvana, although not in quite the same way.

    The more I study Judaism, the deeper and richer I find it, and the more adequate to my spiritual needs. Perhaps I had to leave home before I could appreciate it for the first time. Although I continue to derive induguts from Buddhism and Taoism and Eastern traditions, to be sure.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @anonymous
  73. AaronB says:
    @ThreeCranes

    Its not that Plato and other Greeks did not have an impressive moral tradition. But it cannot compare to the moral fervor of the prophets, for instance. It is a question of emphasis and place in national life, as well as certain essential differences in priorities.

    For the Greeks, national life was not centred on morality in the same way and their moral ideas were in certain essential ways different. Consider Aristotle’s great souled man, proud, arrogant, striving to be superior, and compare it with the ideal of acting with justice towards the poor, the widow, the orphan, and the stranger, of the lamb lying down with the lion, of king David in the Psalms extolling the man of humility and “broken in spirit”, or of any of Jesus’s teachings which are essentially a development of the prophetic tradition and almost quote the Psalms and the Prophets verbatim.

    This strikes an essentially alien note to the Greek tradition.

    • Agree: Hibernian
  74. @PPB

    ‘Obviously there is no point to respond to a Jew hater like Colin W…’

    I have explained before that it is not Jews in general that I hate, but you.

    Your repulsive features are peculiar to you alone. Even someone like Fran Taubman is merely a fairly typical tribal nitwit and ignoramus by comparison. Frankly, she could as easily be Greek, Armenian, or Serbian as Jewish. Morally, nothing much distinguishes her. Her cause is a much larger problem, doing a great deal more harm, and far more deeply corrupting my country — but none of that makes Fran morally any worse than she would be if, say, she were a Croat chauvinist.

    You, though, are different.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  75. @AaronB

    ‘… the ideal of acting with justice towards the poor, the widow, the orphan, and the stranger, of the lamb lying down with the lion, of king David in the Psalms extolling the man of humility and “broken in spirit”, or of any of Jesus’s teachings which are essentially a development of the prophetic tradition and almost quote the Psalms and the Prophets verbatim…’

    Your sampling of the teachings of the Old Testament is, to say the least, selective. And your inclusion of Christ as if he was accepted within the Jewish canon is outright dishonesty. This is a position a Muslim could honestly take, not a Jew — and certainly not a Jew who continually trumpets his adherence to his faith.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Druid
  76. @AaronB

    ‘Its not that Plato and other Greeks did not have an impressive moral tradition. But it cannot compare to the moral fervor of the prophets…’

    The moral fervor of the prophets…

    One is tempted to compile certain specific passages and present them for our mutual edification.

    One of the ironies here is that you like to ape Matt Shapiro and go on about the complementary natures of Greek and Jewish learning — with Jewish learning being of course slightly but unmistakably the superior partner.

    The fact is the Greeks hated the Jews, and the feeling was reciprocated. Although Jews came to write in Greek, Judaism never really incorporated Greek philosophy and the Greeks certainly never took up Judaism. The two systems rejected each other.

    The fusion that did occur was not between Judaism and Greek learning, but between Christianity and Greek learning, and this is in fact what Greek learning turned into: Christian theology — the teaching that the Jews rejected, not the one that they offered.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @obvious
  77. @AaronB

    ‘…For the Greeks, national life was not centred on morality in the same way and their moral ideas were in certain essential ways different…’

    It’s also worth pointing out that Greek philosophy sprang from and existed alongside an actual, existing society; there really were democracies, Olympics, etc.

    Judaism existed in relationship to an invented society and history; there never was a King David, or an Ark of the Covenant, or any of the rest of it.

    One might as well compare A River Runs through it to the Winnie the Pooh stories and decide Montana circa 1915 was morally inferior to the Hundred Aker Wood. The one describes an actuality, the other a fantasy.

  78. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Of course I am different. I am superior to you. And that is unforgivable 🙂

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  79. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Obviously Jesus is not accepted within the Jewish canon. But he is equally obviously a continuation of the Prophetic tradition, which is the other pole of the Jewish tradition, opposite the Law. The Prophets deemphasized the Law and focused on conversion of the heart and compassion.

    The Law, elevating the mundane to the sacred, is essential, but can become rigid and lifeless if not balanced.

    The only problem with Jesus is he went too far, and made extravagant and unacceptable claims about himself. But in many ways he was a good Jewish boy 🙂

    Muslims accept the prophetic role of Jesus yes, but operate in a spirit far more remote from his teaching than Jews do, for whom the Prophetic tradition remain a central.

    Except for genuine Sufis ( I don’t mean Talha), who are the flower of Islam, it’s heart, and all but forgotten today.

  80. AaronB says:
    @PPB

    Tell me, my friend, what you wish of me. I am confused.

    What would you have me do? I shall endeavor to satisfy you.

    • Replies: @PPB
  81. @AaronB

    ‘Sure, whatever works for you.

    Judaism believes that sacred teachings were carried East and that there are legitimate teachings in the East. There is also a tradition that Jews have been exiled in order to “gather the shattered husks” …’

    Sure, Aaron. I’d guess you would have a great deal of difficulty finding any source for this supposed aspect of Judaism that dates from earlier than 1900 and refers to any point further east than Persia.

    Judaism becomes whatever you want it to be. Like Buddhism? Stick Buddhism in it.

    I’m reminded of those progressive ‘Christian’ groups that seem to find something tactless about references to Jesus.

    I’m an agnostic myself — but if I were going to believe in a religion, at least I’d believe in it — not just assign to it whatever contents I found most pleasing.

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @anonymous
  82. Nodwink says:
    @AaronB

    This does not mean Jews do not go to extremes

    If there is one tendency that could be described as universal among Jews, it is a tendency toward extremism.

  83. The prostrating apology of Extinction Rebellion’s Hallam is comically priceless.

    Bloomberg writer Roston, Michael Bloomberg, Bernie Sanders along with thousands of scientists are fine with the systematic and intentional mass reduction in the world population. – https://www.bloombergquint.com/business/scientists-call-for-population-control-in-mass-climate-alarm

    ‘11,000 Scientists Propose Final Solution to Climate Change: Just Kill Billions of People’ –
    https://wearechange.org/scientists-propose-final-solution-climate-change/

    However, all of mainstream and the proponents of popular culture are definitely opposed to anyone not following the religion of Holocaustianity and Global Homogeneity.

    Maybe it has something to do with the Sabbatean rule that “non-Jews…are safeguarded by divinity, to prevent losses to Jews.” – http://crownheights.info/jewish-news/29404/rabbi-ovadia-yosef-gentiles-exist-only-to-serve-jews/ It could also have something to do with the Jewish “Virtue of Hate.” https://www.firstthings.com/article/2003/02/the-virtue-of-hate

    Conclusion. It is okay for billions to die and be killed as long as they do not belong to the self-proclaimed “Chosen.”

    Sasha Baron Cohen of the B’nai B’rith/ADL says one thing but a top Rabbi and a random supremacist Jew on a bus somewhere utter something completely different. Considering the subversive history of the global fraternity known as B’nai B’rith, it’s not difficult to decide on who to believe.

  84. anonymous[899] • Disclaimer says:
    @Caruthers

    The Athenians were the first to study ethics—-to seek a rational basis for the derivation of moral rules, to seek a common unifying thread for moral rules. The difference between ethics and morality is like the difference between a scientific theory and a morass of disconnected facts.

    No the difference is like between music theory and music itself. You need to have music first, and morals first, and then you can study them.

    Yet knowing music theory doesn’t enable one to create music. One element that is crucial is inspiration – that is, a feeling. You can possess skills and understanding and still be unable to create feelings, since it is not possible to define a rational formula of what is beautiful. You cannot calculate what is sublime.

    The same is with ethics. How can we define the basis of what is right without having some set of axiomatic statements with which we agree? How can we agree if we have different opinions on the nature of the world and the purpose of life? Like I said above, stoicism and hedonism come from the same pool.

    You cannot define a universal code of morals through reasoning alone. Logic is not superior to intuition. This is a big mistake to think so.

    And though in Judaism ethics per se is not studied, it is not a morass of disconnected ideas either. The Talmud is dealing with moral principles, extracting them from the Ten Commandments, using reason and dialectics, appropriating them to real life situations. And the Greek philosophers created a morass.

    • Replies: @Caruthers
  85. David says:

    For an author that regularly says he prefers Athens to Jerusalem, he writes very little about Athens.

    Incidentally, one common sentiment between Athens and Jerusalem is both consider work to be a curse. Whereas Northern Europeans often seem to enjoy being in harness.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  86. Robjil says:
    @Colin Wright

    In this article the author explains why he thinks Orwell really meant 1948 for his 1984 book.

    https://stumblingtoheaven.wordpress.com/2009/08/20/1984-or-should-that-be-1948/

    Orwell noted in 1948 how the “free” press worked then. It is on steroids these days since “1948”. It is full- blown totalitarian-like in its control of western MSM.
    Orwell called the controllers of the press “the Establishment”. These days it is “the Israel Jewish First Establishment”. In 1948, it was not so obvious that “the Establishment” was Israel Jewish First. They covered their tracks better.

    The most mentioned departments are called [and no spoilers here, thank you] Ministry of Peace, Love, and Truth – at one point the War Department became the Ministry of Defense… The judicial arm of the government is called the ‘Home Office’ where we can all feel a warm glow of being looked after… Ministry of Truth is harder but if you read Orwell’s Essays you find that he thought that the owners of the press, part of what was [and is] called ‘The Establishment’ and because they wish to continue the status quo ie staying in an influential place where there situation is protected – it is in the media’s interest to sell the story that they think will create the right reaction from within us… Either things don’t get reported and therefore never ‘happen’ in any way we would know or they are told in ways that will provoke the right reaction – note how folk accept each paper has an ‘editorial view’…

    Orwell noticed what was going after the WWII in the west, if he published it as 1948 it would be dated soon after it was published. By naming the book 1984, the book was a warning about what is coming down the road if the western “Establishment” continues doing what it is doing.

    The question to some extent runs about why Orwell wrote this book. I think he wanted to have a much wider audience for his political observations than his essays received and in so changing the dates to coincide with the publishers demand that it not be ‘1948’ he felt it was robbed of it’s power and force – which would answer the question of why he thought it a terrible copy once he had typed it up…

  87. anonymous[899] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Don’t know about the “special task” to be honest. Not sure 🙂

    These messianic ideas are dangerous. Expectations are created and self-fulfilling prophecies are not a good thing. You are familiar with the Sabbatean movement, and the Bar Kokhba rebellion and know the consequences of these. To me it seems that redefining the idea of Messiah as not a person but a people that Rabbi Kook attempted is the best thing that has happened to Judaism. This creates a new sense and neutralizes the destructive potential of it. The problem is it is still a minor branch of the kabbalistic thought. Most Jews are waiting for the Messiah. This is not good at all.

    Also, the covenant is nothing special – this is an idea, and an archaic one. Yet in all traditions a practitioner makes some kind of a covenant and dedicates himself to some kind of God, even a Buddhist does it. The ritual, the law? Nothing special. All traditions have rituals and laws.

    The unique thing about Judaism is that it is not seeking a liberation from the world but instead a transformation of it. And this is a good and a bad thing at the same time. For example in Vedanta and in Buddhism this idea is also present but liberation from ignorance remains the main purpose of the practice. The world needs to be transformed in order to create a better environment in which the teaching is practiced, but not for the sake of it – not for the world, not for the mundane life. To reach the higher plane of consciousness is the goal, not to build a comfortable place to exist in for the sake of it.

    But as that cook said, nothing is being done. Since the focus is on the inner life of the mind and the world is seen as flawed and corrupt, there is a social and economic misfortune in all the Hindu and Buddhist countries, and it has been like that at all times.

    On the other hand though, perhaps I am not a great expert on this but as far as I can see it is in Vedanta and in Buddhism where the real experience of these higher planes is to be found, and it is not apparent in Judaism. Even in the Kabbalah, no one mentiones or explores the higher states of mind as deep as it is done in the East.

    Though Rabbi Kook wrote somewhere, “Expanses, expanses, for God’s expanses my soul yearns. Close me in no cage, material or spiritual. My spirit soars in the wide heavens, the walls of the heart cannot contain it. Nor can stony walls of action, morals, reason or law. Above all these she soars in flight, higher than all that has a name. All delight, loveliness and beauty. Beyond the most sublime and emanated.”

    And elsewhere, “If the individual who possesses a holiness of the utter silence then lowers himself to a reduced level of prayer or Torah, weakening his morality and engaging in details of specifics, he will suffer and will be depressed. He will feel that a soul that is full of the entire universe is being squeezed tight by pincers.” You can’t make this up. He had to feel it to put it in these words. However this is something rare to come across in Judaism. And something new – unlike in Buddhism and Vedanta, where this kind of things is the root of the tradition.

    Yet Judaism is deep, nonetheless. For example, there are 22 letters in the Hebrew alphabet and there are 22 pitches in an octave that human ear can hear. There are esoteric references and allusions in the first four books of the Torah, some astronomical and mathemathical things in it. Poetic language, indeed beautiful sometimes. The stories of Exodus and the whole Book of Genesis – a pure masterpiece.

    But kind of grounded. The Talmud brought a bit more of esoterics, but still does not compare to Vedanta, doesn’t even get close. The Kabbalah is this missing element, but it also is not quite there.

    One of the books that made a great impression on me was The Four Yogas. Swami Vivekananda wrote it. He was a genius, and he described the four methods that can be used to “get there” – the Path of Action, Devotion, Knowledge and Meditation. Judaism has the first three, but the last one, the one I like the most, is missing. Also in Vedanta there is a concept of sacred music, the Ragas. Judaism doesn’t have it. And again, smoking cannabis is a part of Vedanta and in Judaism it is not forbidden but it is not done. A huge mistake!

    • Replies: @utu
  88. PPB says:
    @AaronB

    Do whatever you want– I’m not here to control how you express yourself, or to rein in whatever I might consider to be the excesses or stunningly rigid perspectives of some of the other commenters here. If you’re willing to accept the flak that comes your way, that’s fine with me. And if you think that your contributions will change the minds of those who are dead set against you and your perspectives, well, you can continue banging your head against that wall. Personally, I wouldn’t waste much time or energy engaging any dialogue, online or otherwise, in which a surplus of crudely combative exchanges threatened to drown out a more tempered and congenial reciprocity, which isn’t to say that I would have any interest in an ideological echo chamber either. Dissent and disagreement do add some spice to the party after all. But how much of it before the dissonance crowds out the music? Nevertheless, people’s tastes and inclinations vary, so obviously feel free to follow your own.

    • Replies: @PPB
    , @AaronB
  89. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    You do have a religion.

    Hatred of Jews. And hatred in general – of blacks, intellectuals, etc.

    And you are devoted to it with singular fervor. And your main religious sacrament is mockery – a kind of Black Mass.

    God only knows what you get up to in your backwoods cabin, with your guns. Probably drink a six pack of cheap beer dreaming of rivers of Jewish blood.

    But your rage is impotent, and people like you are history’s refuse. And though you hate me, I wish I could help you – but I can only watch your generation, and your type, fade from the scene.

    God has mercy, even to you, in the end

    • Troll: Colin Wright
  90. PPB says:
    @PPB

    PS: In short, I’m just expressing an opinion or two from whateer my perspective might be at the moment, and within whatever context I’m doing so. I’m most definitely not trying to control the dialogue here, or to proclaim a set of universally applicable rules. And I feel free to express my opinions because I know perfectly well that the world doesn’t revolve around them or pay much attention to them in following its own natural course.

  91. anonymous[899] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Sure, Aaron. I’d guess you would have a great deal of difficulty finding any source for this supposed aspect of Judaism that dates from earlier than 1900 and refers to any point further east than Persia.

    Can I take this one, then? “If a man should say to you: ‘There is wisdom among the nations’, believe it.” – The Midrash on Lamentations or Eichah Rabbah, 2:13

    https://www.sefaria.org/Eichah_Rabbah.2?lang=bi

    This is from 500 CE. And concerning “gathering the sparks” that is from the Lurianic Kabbalah. About 1500 or so, a bit later. Look here for example:

    https://www.tikkun.org/how-the-ari-created-a-myth-and-transformed-judaism

    “In this way God sent forth those ten vessels, like a fleet of ships, each carrying its cargo of light. Had they all arrived intact, the world would have been perfect. But the vessels were too fragile to contain such a powerful, divine light. They broke open, split asunder, and all the holy sparks were scattered like sand, like seeds, like stars. Those sparks fell everywhere, but more fell on the Holy Land than anywhere else.

    That is why we were created — to gather the sparks, no matter where they are hidden. God created the world so that the descendents of Jacob could raise up the holy sparks. That is why there have been so many exiles — to release the holy sparks from the servitude of captivity. In this way the Jewish people will sift all the holy sparks from the four corners of the earth.”

    You are attacking us for no reason, like Atzmon. Bit he is at least a Jew, so who knows his reasons.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  92. @anonymous

    /God created the world so that the descendents of Jacob could raise up the holy sparks./

    If God willed all there is to be, and His mercy and knowledge extend to everyone, it follows that any people who know and love Him should be capable of “raising up the holy sparks.”

    No … given what God is, such a requirement just doesn’t make sense.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  93. @Anonymous

    When you’re a tribe disproportionately inclined to paranoid schizophrenia, your best friend today will be Amalek tomorrow.

    • Agree: Robjil
  94. @AaronB

    ‘Obviously Jesus is not accepted within the Jewish canon. But he is equally obviously a continuation of the Prophetic tradition, which is the other pole of the Jewish tradition, opposite the Law. The Prophets deemphasized the Law and focused on conversion of the heart and compassion.

    The Law, elevating the mundane to the sacred, is essential, but can become rigid and lifeless if not balanced.

    The only problem with Jesus is he went too far, and made extravagant and unacceptable claims about himself. But in many ways he was a good Jewish boy 🙂’

    No, Jesus is the Son of God, and unless He is accepted as such, there cannot be salvation.

    Or, alternatively, he is a charlatan who is boiling in shit in hell. He is not ‘a good Jewish boy’…not if you’re Jewish.

    Your view is the Muslim view. You are not Muslim. Since you profess to be ardently Jewish, you are dissimulating.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  95. @AaronB

    ‘Muslims accept the prophetic role of Jesus yes, but operate in a spirit far more remote from his teaching than Jews do, for whom the Prophetic tradition remain a central.’

    That’s not really so either. Pew Research has analyzed what Jews think is central to being Jewish. Among both US and Israeli Jews, the most important aspect to being Jewish is ‘remembering the Holocaust.’

    Personally — and here I’ll grant I don’t know much — I don’t think even pious Jews fret much about ‘the Prophetic tradition,’ much less incorporate Jesus into it. Rather, Judaism seems to have degenerated into a mindless adherence to literally hundreds of rules, and sterile and pointless debates about the meaning of scraps of text written fifteen hundred years ago. Judaism appears to consist not of vigorous thinking and spiritual exploration, but of empty and rigid conformity to a straitjacket of rules designed to hold Jews forever apart and prevent them from ever changing.

    Jews I can’t say I mind — Zionist vermin excepted. However, little about Judaism itself has ever impressed me. If I have my reservations about Christianity and Islam, Judaism seems to me to be a really empty vessel.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @AaronB
  96. @AaronB

    ‘Of course I am different. I am superior to you. And that is unforgivable’

    Ah yes. Chabad.

    Sure, Aaron. Actually, you knowingly replace individual characteristics with group averages.

    You’re perfectly conscious of your own individual inferiority. Hence your ferocious attachment to an alternative, collective identity. It’s telling that more profound the evident sense of individual inferiority in a Jew, the more ardent the Zionism. Consider Jonathan Pollard and Jeffrey Goldberg. Both were bullied as adolescents; both found a satisfactory palliative in identifying themselves with Israel. Goldberg even went so far as to serve as a prison guard, which he professed to finding intensely satisfying. At last he had sufficient power over the gentile.

    How about you, Aaron? You came here when you were thirteen. Were you badly bullied, or did your parents protect you?

  97. @AaronB

    ‘You do have a religion.

    Hatred of Jews…’

    Sigh. Read the posts. Far from ‘hating Jews,’ I’m a ‘closet Jewish’ myself.

    Try to keep up.

  98. @AnonStarter

    Nothing god does makes sense. Absolutely nothing. Delibertately pitting three prophets against one another for starting roles that creates unbelievable competition and havoc.
    For what purpose?

    • Disagree: AnonStarter
    • Replies: @PPB
  99. PPB says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Maybe for the purpose of holding up a mirror to show humans their own foolishness, and no doubt for all kinds of other reasons that evade human understanding. But it’s also not hard to imagine these three prophets are smiling with each other behind the screen, at least when they aren’t lamenting some of the more unfortunate detours their followers have taken.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  100. anonymous[899] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    Man, this is not true. You are wrong.

    Jesus was made the Son of God about three centuries after his life. For the first couple of centuries he was the King of the Jews, the Messiah and not the Son of God. Yet despite this as I said before there is such thing as Messianic Judaism and there are Jews who follow the New Testament and read it in Hebrew.

    The Pew Research report shows that the percentage of Jews who consider “Remembering the Holocaust” the most essential to being Jewish is 73% in general and is followed with “Leading an ethical and moral life” at 69%. However among the religious Jews the numbers are different: 66% and 80% and the Holocaust theme is fresh now, so what is so surprising in it?

    The hundreds of rules are found in all other religious traditions, when it comes to serious practice. The are 300 rules for monks in Buddhism, I don’t know about the Christian monks but there are hundreds of rules and regulations and codes, and Muslims have Sharia laws so what makes Judaism worse in this respect?

    The “pointless debates” in the Talmud are legal discussions about the laws of Halacha. The same kind of discussions can be found in the writings of Christian theologians, such as Thomas Aquinas and a lot of others, this is a normal practice in all religious traditions. Hindus have a lot of treatises about laws and regulations.

    You are not familiar with the theme.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
  101. @David

    ‘…Incidentally, one common sentiment between Athens and Jerusalem is both consider work to be a curse. Whereas Northern Europeans often seem to enjoy being in harness.’

    I’ve thought about that.

    The awful truth is that my idea of a really good time is building a sharp-looking storage shed, or making some wooden screens for the windows.

    Writing something? Well, I’m good at it, to skip the false modesty…but I’d rather plant some leeks.

    When’s Spring? I’ll get to plant all kinds of stuff when Spring comes…

    I guess we are meant to serve the Jews as slaves while they sit like an effendi and eat. What do you think, Aaron? Do you like wiring a light switch?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  102. @Colin Wright

    /Your view is the Muslim view./

    No, it is decidedly not.

    A Muslim would not say, “The only problem with Jesus is he went too far, and made extravagant and unacceptable claims about himself. But in many ways he was a good Jewish boy.”

    1. Jesus never did what Aaron imputes to him.
    2. A Muslim would not speak so diminutively of Jesus as to call him “a good Jewish boy.”

    • Replies: @Felix Culpa
  103. @Colin Wright

    I am in the process of cleaning my shop out with 2 new storage sheds from home depot.
    The fact is I would rather be building something beutiful in my shop. Beauty makes the world more palatable.
    So we have that in common.
    But on your Jew hatred. I agree with Aaron it is a singular focus one track mind. Unable to reason logically to at least see the other side.
    You are almost as bad as Wally.

  104. I’m no Holocaust denier!

    I don’t deny any of the Holocausts Israel is responsible for.

  105. @PPB

    The problem lies in the presupposition that said prophets are “pitted against each other,” so your description is fairly accurate. Their fundamental message was essentially the same. They are all part of a prophetic continuum affirming God by word and deed.

    Qur’an 5: 48

    And to you We have sent down the Book with the truth, confirming whatever Book was before it, and a guardian over it. So judge between them by that which God has sent down, and don’t follow their desires away from the truth which has come to you. For each We have appointed a divine law and a traced-out way. Had God willed, He could have made you one community; but that He may try you by that which He has given you. So vie with one another in good works. To God you will return, and He will then inform you of that wherein you differ.

    I’m not aware of a single holy book that includes such a detailed passage enjoining inter-religious comity. This certainly explains why Muslims didn’t raze churches and synagogues in lands over which they assumed control following conquest.

    The idea that adherents of all three religions were necessarily and perpetually engaged in inevitably sanguinary, winner-take-all conflict for the greater bulk of their mutually shared history is a chimera deserving only of the bare minimum amount of attention required to dismiss it.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  106. The Jewish experiment is not going to end well, and is proof that Universalism is impossible. It is hard enough to have peace, prosperity, or stability in an ethnically homogeneous society, but I think it is impossible to do so in a multi-ethnic society, especially when the different groups are not well-suited to live together or play by the same rules.

    There is no need for endless intellectual or scholarly debates, which only serve as diversion or to kick the can down the road. The situation is obvious, and nothing good will come of it. All we can hope for is that something better will come from the ashes.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  107. @AaronB

    I say, ‘Sure, Aaron. I’d guess you would have a great deal of difficulty finding any source for this supposed aspect of Judaism that dates from earlier than 1900 and refers to any point further east than Persia…’

    You respond by vilifying me.

    I take it you in fact can’t produce any sources that support your claim.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  108. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…But on your Jew hatred. I agree with Aaron it is a singular focus one track mind…’

    You will have considerable difficulty finding examples of me expressing ‘Jew hatred’ towards any Jew here except Aaron, and to some extent, yourself.

    Even Lot wouldn’t really qualify, as he denies being a Jew.

    The accusation of ‘Jew hatred’ is a cop-out. It’s either a way of avoiding confronting the justice of the criticisms of Israel, or if it is directed against you personally, of confronting the possibility that you indeed might have shortcomings.

  109. anonymous[899] • Disclaimer says:
    @Colin Wright

    You are acting like a frustrated homosexual.

  110. utu says:
    @anonymous

    There are esoteric references and allusions in the first four books of the Torah, some astronomical and mathemathical things in it.

    Could you elaborate, be more specific?

  111. Wally says:
    @animalogic

    said:
    “I agree with the author’s general points re — the holocaust becoming a religion, a dictatorial religion …”

    – Especially troubling since the “holocaust” narrative itself is utterly fraudulent, scientifically impossible. There’s not a shred of proof to back it up. That’s the bottom line.

    – I hasn’t “become” a religion, it was a religion the moment it was invented.

    – Let’s remember, per newspaper records, Jews have been claiming ‘6,000,000 dead Jews’ since a least 1823.

    Revisionists are just the messengers, the absurd impossibility of the laughable ‘holocaust’ storyline is the message.

  112. Paw says:
    @anonymous

    First antisemitism is stick so inept people can beat and beat each other over your heads.
    So you provide some fun for these Other people..

  113. @utu

    ‘anonymous
    There are esoteric references and allusions in the first four books of the Torah, some astronomical and mathemathical things in it.

    Could you elaborate, be more specific?’

    Wot? What’s unspecific about that?

  114. Apparently off-topic — but not really.

    ‘U.S. Resumes Large-Scale Operations Against ISIS in Northern Syria’

    Sure. The operations aren’t ‘against ISIS,’ I can promise you that.

  115. @animalogic

    Left, right, it is meaningless like a circular firing squad. Meaning different things in different countries. All religious Jews are on the right. Secular non religious Jews are like Bernie Sanders.
    I honestly do not know what Gilad is referring to with his analogies.

    • Replies: @Ace
  116. @AnonStarter

    Well how come the muslims are always trying to disqulify the legitimacy of the Jews?
    Like there is no Jewish Temple under Al-Aqsa. WTF.
    And Muslims were constantly taking over churches and turning them into mosques. What about the Buddhist shrines they destroyed in Afghanistan?

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @bikeanarkist
  117. @OilcanFloyd

    The Jewish experiment is not going to end well, and is proof that Universalism is

    Don’t be so freaking pompous and ridiculous. You are always so dramatic.
    I got news for you. It is not going to end well for anyone trying to destroy the Jews and or Judaism.

  118. Skeptikal says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    “Where did you get this BS from ?”

    The moral megalomania of the Jews is where this BS comes from.

    From the Jewish self-aggrandizing narrative that somehow their tribe is more ethical than Gentiles and partly is set here on earth to remind Gentiles’ of their moral ethical obligations.

    I have even had to listen to a Jewish friend inform me that it was the “historical task” of Judaism to do this–more or less ride herd on Gentiles’ morality, from the superior moral vantage point of the Jew. Maybe, like, after Gentiles have repeatedly tried to get away from them, for very good reasons! But that is a no-no! Hell hath no fury like that of a Jew scorned.

    First he had accused me of racism, after telling me that many Germans think the way I do (I had complained to him about being constantly disturbed by very loud merengue music played by my Latino neighbors). I couldn’t believe my ears, and pointed out to him that he had just made a racist comment, so who is calling me a racist. He then told me it was “hard to explain things to you when you are angry.” After this I ended the friendship (it was not the first time he had veered into such drivel, an obnoxious variety of Jewish mansplaining).

    Anyhow, that moral megalomania of the Jews is where this BS comes from.

  119. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Don’t be so freaking pompous and ridiculous. You are always so dramatic.
    I got news for you. It is not going to end well for anyone trying to destroy the Jews and or Judaism.’

    You better watch out, mofo. Miz Taubman goin’ kick yo ass.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  120. AaronB says:
    @PPB

    So lets see….

    You have cordial exchanges with Colin and Linh.

    You try very energetically to get me to shut up and not defend myself.

    You are transparent, and have no credibility with me anymore. Hmmm, I don’t think I will be reading your comments anymore.

    See ya….

    • Replies: @PPB
  121. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Of course you’re a Jew hater lol.

    You frankly express hatred for Judaism and wish to see the Jewish state destroyed. You spend all your energy on this site promoting the destruction of the Jewish state.

    You are OK with Jews as long as there is nothing Jewish about them.

    Doesn’t get much more hatey than that.

    You pretend you’re not racist against Jews, but that’s laughable. Your remarks on blacks make clear you are racist to the core.

    Anyways, as I’ve said s million times, it’s great that you hate Jews. If Jews were not hated by people like you, I’d be very concerned.

    That being said, to lapse into a philosophic vein as is my wont, the psychology of hate and resentment is an interesting thing.

    People hate what makes them feel wrong and bad. Someone who is very different from you may challenge your sense of who you are – if he is good, you must be bad, and vice versa, you think. Its existential.

    So you hate him, even if he did nothing to wrong you, and even if he was good to you. Hate on first sight, so to speak.

    Hate is always directed from the lower to the higher. Someone trapped in a narrow perspective, cannot see that everything is tied together. He thinks the existence of something very different from him challenges his existential core.

    When you see my moral earnestness and magnanimity, and that of Judaism in general, and contrast that with the envy and petty malice that eats you from within, you cannot help but feel existentially challenged to your core.

    It is outrageous that nobility should exist – it must be destroyed. It is an unbearable affront. If nobility exists, your existence is unbearable.

    Far from hating you, I wish I could liberate you. But on a deeper sense, I also know people like you must exist, and it is all tied together.

    Such is the world – a fascinating place, and all, in the end, perfect in its essence.

    • Replies: @Caruthers
    , @Colin Wright
  122. @Fran Taubman

    You people brandish your cliché (“Jew hatred”) until it becomes unintentional self-parody.

    Increasingly, Fran, we the unchosen see right through your cynical charade.

    It’s YOU who owes US a serious accounting of your goyim hatred.

  123. @Fran Taubman

    /Well how come the muslims are always trying to disqulify the legitimacy of the Jews?/

    Were it not for Muslims, your people wouldn’t even be here today:

    https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/so-what-did-the-muslims-do-for-the-jews-1.33597

    Had Islam not come along, the conflict with Persia would have continued. The separation between western Judaism, that of Christendom, and Babylonian Judaism, that of Mesopotamia, would have intensified. Jewry in the west would have declined to disappearance in many areas. And Jewry in the east would have become just another oriental cult.

    But this was all prevented by the rise of Islam. The Islamic conquests of the seventh century changed the world, and did so with dramatic, wide-ranging and permanent effect for the Jews.

    Within a century of the death of Mohammad, in 632, Muslim armies had conquered almost the whole of the world where Jews lived, from Spain eastward across North Africa and the Middle East as far as the eastern frontier of Iran and beyond. Almost all the Jews in the world were now ruled by Islam. This new situation transformed Jewish existence. Their fortunes changed in legal, demographic, social, religious, political, geographical, economic, linguistic and cultural terms – all for the better.

    Before Umar assumed control of Jerusalem, the alleged site of the ancient temple had been used by the Romans as a garbage dump. The existence of hundreds of ancient churches which retained their character as churches under Muslim rule belies your third claim, and there had been no Buddhists living in Afghanistan for centuries before the UN decided that ancient artifacts were more valuable than Afghani children.

    As for Israel …

    Moshe Sharett, Israel’s first foreign minister, provided ample evidence of zionist theft, desecration, and destruction of Christian churches and property:

    http://www.palestinechronicle.com/attacking-churches-in-palestine-an-israeli-policy-since-1948/

    Israeli documents have revealed that the Israeli army deliberately adopted a policy based on the destruction, vandalism and harm of the sanctity of churches in Palestine, during and after the 1948 war. An Israeli book, which will be published next month, explains how the Israeli army carried out seizure and destruction operations against churches located in the Palestinian cities, towns and villages the army took control off after expelling their people. …

    According to the protocol, Sharett described the army’s violations of the church saying, “the officers and soldiers deliberately harmed the Christian sanctities; their behaviour is that of beasts, not human beings.” Sharett also said, “The attacks suffered by the churches at the hands of the soldiers and officers are a shameful page in Israel’s history.”

    This book also revealed that Sharett compared Israel, which allowed such acts, to “an evil and brutal Caesar that promotes nothing but destruction.” He added: “The soldiers and officers turned the churches to toilets where they would tend to their needs.” The book also goes on to reveal that Sharett told members of the Mapai party, in a meeting in July 1949, that Israel deliberately declared the areas containing churches as military zones in order to justify its refusal to allow foreign visitors and tourists to enter these areas and churches in an attempt to prevent them from witnessing the army’s heinous violations.

    Sharett also said that the soldiers stole a very valuable crown made of precious stones from one of the churches. He also noted another incident where the soldiers broke the hand off a sculpture of Jesus in one of the churches in order to steal the gold bracelets that were on it, as an example of the systematic looting and stealing from the churches which lasted for months. He stressed that the Israeli officers and soldiers also intentionally harmed the sanctity of the churches and tore holy books, mentioning that the acts of destruction committed against the churches were not only committed by the officers and soldiers, but also by many settlers, especially those who newly immigrated.

    Lest we imagine that matters have dramatically improved, here’s a short list of zionist “price-tag” attacks against Christians and Muslims, ending in the year 2015:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_price_tag_attacks

    On the bright side, Christians and Muslims have only grown closer as a result of zionist aggression against them:

    http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/gazas-christians-and-muslims-grow-closer-defiance-israeli-attacks-372261379

    In something that surprised local journalists, Jalila’s body was carried by both Muslims and Christians to the grave. It seems the shared wounds, mourning and rage are bridging past divides in war-ravaged Gaza.

    Last week, Gaza’s Greek Orthodox Church also sustained damage by Israeli artillery shelling. Fifteen graves were damaged and damage was also caused to the Church’s sole hearse, says Kamel Ayyad, a parish member.

    “The world must realise that Israel’s missiles don’t differentiate between Christians and Muslims,” said Abu. …

    Father Manuel Musallam, a former priest of the Latin Church, has always been an advocate for Palestinian unity.

    “When they destroy your mosques, call your prayers from our churches”.

    Why don’t you just stick to household chores, already? You’re obviously not very good at this.

    • Replies: @Robjil
  124. @Fran Taubman

    Don’t be so freaking pompous and ridiculous. You are always so dramatic.
    I got news for you. It is not going to end well for anyone trying to destroy the Jews and or Judaism.

    You are the perfect example of what I mean. You constantly threaten and demean others, even when you are on the defensive. Like Jews as a group, your personality is a mixture of hyper-aggression, passive-aggression, woe-is-me and fuck you, rules are for you, all wrapped in a shape-shifting tribal shell.

    You understand perfectly well why Jews have been expelled and pogrommed so often. When one group actively seeks to dominate and destroy others, there is always a price to pay, and that price is going to be worse for a group that is traitorous, as Jews are. Nobody escapes this, not my group, and not Jews.

    • Agree: Pat Kittle
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  125. Caruthers says:
    @anonymous

    ALL cultures, even the most savage, superstitious, and primitive, have “morals”——i.e., they regard some behaviors as “good” and others as “evil”, with opprobrium and taboos attaching to the latter. (In your analogy, ALL cultures have “music”; Jewish/Hebrew “music” as expressed in Exodus and Leviticus was much more cacophonous and less mellifluous than any produced by Athenians). The morals themselves have no basis, in superstitious cultures, other than the ostensible fiat of a deity, which is no justification at all, just as a mathematical statement (such as 2+ 2 = 3) is not true because it is the ostensible fiat of a Bronze Age deity.

    The fiat of deities is completely irrelevant to all moral questions, unless power implies goodness. But if, unlike a Hitler or Stalin toady, one rejects the identification of power with goodness, then moral questions apply equally meaningfully to deities as to any other being.

    The Ten Commandments seem to have no uplifting unifying principle; the ostensible issuing Deity is jealous, vengeful, and brutal, and bereft of compassion; and the primary purpose of the men who imagined the Deity was overwhelmingly to promote tribal insularity and cohesion.

  126. Caruthers says:
    @AaronB

    Colin judges people by their behavior and ideology, not by their ancestry and background.

    He is much like person who is fine with Germans, provided there is nothing Nazi about them.

  127. @Colin Wright

    You better watch out, mofo. Miz Taubman goin’ kick yo ass.

    My guess is that Fran would krav maga me half to death, finish me off, guns a blazin’, with an Uzi in one hand and a Desert Eagle in the other, and then detonate a personal pocketbook nuke on me just to add insult to injury.

    That’s the attitude of Fran, and that’s the attitude of the Jewish collective. The problem is that American Whites have done nothing to deserve the undermining and hatred that comes from Jews, yet Jews still carry on like they have a justified vendetta against Whites and America. Of course it’s not going to end well when Jews gain significant power, and abuse the power by visibly destroying the nation, and even being so stupid as to gloat about it. The funny thing is that Jews expect to get away with their bad deeds, and demand that that their victims at least grovel, if they aren’t willing to accept the Jews as the true victims.

  128. @utu

    This is not an appropriate place to talk about it. Though now some of it is not a big secret. For example – gematria.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Skeptikal
  129. utu says:
    @Dr. Moreau's Biographer

    I don’t think that this is what anonymous[899] meant. Gematria is silly not cool.

  130. @AaronB

    ‘Of course you’re a Jew hater lol.’

    I’d have to be. After all, from your point of view, the alternatives are inadmissible.

    It couldn’t be all about Israel, and still less, could it be all about you.

    • Replies: @PPB
    , @Skeptikal
  131. PPB says:
    @AaronB

    You just don’t get it at all, do you? Construing everything from a purely binary perspective, and missing the whole point, as if it all centered around you and nothing else. No wonder you’re so focused on nonduality as an abstract principle that you keep writing about. We tend to worship– or should I say fetishize– what we haven’t yet assimilated.

    My comments are best reserved for those who can actually understand them.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
    , @AaronB
  132. @utu

    No this is what he meant, among other things. And this is a deep theme. That example shows the principle, how it is done. And there are much more interesting things we can talk about, but as I said here is not the place for it.

    Besides, it would require some background knowledge of astronomical concepts of the time. Otherwise I would need to compose a long comment, explaining them prior to talking about the text and this is a long talk too.

    • Replies: @utu
  133. utu says:
    @Dr. Moreau's Biographer

    Do not waste your breath. Don’t bother. Go back were you came from. I have no patience for the nonsense of Hebrew gematria.

    • Replies: @PPB
  134. PPB says:
    @Colin Wright

    If someone views life, existence and the world as being centered around a particular axis– let’s say, for example, the axis defined by the opposing poles of philosemitism and antisemitism, or by the presumed opposition of “my agenda” vs. “your agenda” — that person will often initially and instinctively assume that other people’s verbal interchanges with them emerge from within the same frame of reference. Sometimes that assumption can be true.

    And I shouldn’t need to spell out the corollary.

  135. PPB says:
    @utu

    As I recall, Jesus spoke of the “pearl of great price” and the “one thing needful”. Something tells me he didn’t have gematria or similar diversionary fascinations on his mind. Maybe he wasn’t such a nice Jewish boy after all 🙂

  136. ‘If someone views life, existence and the world as being centered around a particular axis– let’s say, for example, the axis defined by the opposing poles of philosemitism and antisemitism, or by the presumed opposition of “my agenda” vs. “your agenda” — that person will often initially and instinctively assume that other people’s verbal interchanges with them emerge from within the same frame of reference. Sometimes that assumption can be true.

    And I shouldn’t need to spell out the corollary.’

    That’s often true; I’ve tripped over that myself, and it probably is a pitfall Aaron routinely if unknowingly falls victim to.

    However, I’d be more inclined to view his accusations as a matter of the accusation of anti-semitism serving to avoid having to consider the merits of the alternative. If I’m not anti-semitic, perhaps my polemics against Israel and Zionism are at least partially justified, and if I’m not anti-semitic, perhaps my frank contempt for Aaron indeed owes something to flaws he really has.

    …deciding I’m ‘anti-semitic’ magically renders it unnecessary to consider these unpalatable possibilities.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  137. PPB says:

    “That’s often true; I’ve tripped over that myself”

    As have I. But it is a useful and natural starting point, until we start getting the signal that there are some crossed signals 🙂

    “If I’m not anti-semitic, perhaps my polemics against Israel and Zionism are at least partially justified, and if I’m not anti-semitic, perhaps my frank contempt for Aaron indeed owes something to flaws he really has.”

    Although I don’t think I’ve written anything here that could reasonably be construed as antisemitic– to be “anti” any particular demographic isn’t really my thing– some of the polemics against Israeli policy and against Zionism as actually practiced are difficult not to justify, and certainly deserve to be heard.

    But If I’ve demonstrated anything, it’s that antisemitism isn’t required to arouse Aaron’s ire, even if he insists that his participation in this forum is undertaken merely in the spirit of a game. But that’s the problem with resorting to an argument simply because it’s convenient at the time– when that strategy is repeated too often, it embroils the arguer in endless contradiction.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  138. Almost everyone is tribal and anti-something, to some degree, so it only makes sense to acknowledge as much. It also makes sense to acknowledge that some groups don’t fit well together, just as some individuals don’t fit well together. Even if you want everyone to get along and play by the same rules and standards, it isn’t going to happen. If you don’t target other groups, you should acknowledge if other groups are targeting your group, and you as an extension.

  139. @PPB

    An admirable effort.

    Take heart. You’ve done well.

  140. @Colin Wright

    Norman Finkelstein once said that even if Einstein were an anti-Semite, it wouldn’t make E=mc^2 any less valid.

    Were the current state of American government fealty to Israel not so abject, Aaron would not be so cavalier. What a man says and does when his position appears to enjoy the upper hand reveals everything we need to know about him. It’s much like a state of intoxication: in vino, veritas.

  141. AaronB says:
    @PPB

    Lol, don’t bother.

    Even AnonStarter realizes what you’re up to 🙂

    And I agree with him. It was a decent effort. Just you lack mission discipline, like Colin. You were too obvious in your partisanship.

    Just a few comments to Colin or some other Jew hater about how they, too, “alone can stop the cycle” lol, would have given you the needed veneer of credibility.

    Its kind of a pity – I find you anti-Semites cannot play the game at s high level. Maybe one day.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  142. @AaronB

    ‘Lol, don’t bother.

    Even AnonStarter realizes what you’re up to 🙂

    And I agree with him. It was a decent effort. Just you lack mission discipline, like Colin. You were too obvious in your partisanship.

    Just a few comments to Colin or some other Jew hater about how they, too, “alone can stop the cycle” lol, would have given you the needed veneer of credibility.

    Its kind of a pity – I find you anti-Semites cannot play the game at s high level. Maybe one day.’

    As something of an involuntary connoisseur of Aaronismo, I’d say you’ll need to do better than this.

    The above is more pathetic than irritating. It’s actually kind of vicariously embarrassing to read.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  143. PPB says:

    “Just a few comments to Colin or some other Jew hater about how they, too, “alone can stop the cycle” lol, would have given you the needed veneer of credibility.”

    One big difference is that Colin isn’t a whiner. You continue to prove that you can see things only in black and white. And you really do want to see a jew-hater around every corner, for whatever psychological need of yours it serves, even when the target of your narrowly self-involved animus doesn’t give a good goddamn about Jews this or Jews that. What in the hell got beaten into you? Enough of this garbage from you could tempt even the most neutral person to begin wondering.

    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  144. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    As something of an involuntary connoisseur of Aaronismo, I’d say you’ll need to do better than this.

    Really! I thought it was a decent submission. Sure, not my best, but quite devastating despite its brevity.

    But as my greatest admirer and number one fan, I defer to your judgement.

    Hmm, what if I just called him stupid a stupid doody poo poo head? I do want to write to the level of my fans…

  145. @PPB

    /And you really do want to see a jew-hater around every corner, for whatever psychological need of yours it serves, even when the target of your narrowly self-involved animus doesn’t give a good goddamn about Jews this or Jews that./

    It’s his religion. He himself has said so repeatedly.

    Of itself, your counsel is wise. It could just as easily apply to anyone else here, including me. Vain contention isn’t what the faithful pursue.

    But again, he himself has openly stated that anti-Semitism is necessary for his religion, so he has to try hard to create it where it doesn’t exist. As such, your wisdom is wasted on him.

    /What in the hell got beaten into you? Enough of this garbage from you could tempt even the most neutral person to begin wondering./

    Well, it’s one silver lining to these exchanges. Aaron imagines he’s performing a mitzvot by his mere presence here and he’s probably right, but certainly not in the way he imagines.

  146. @OilcanFloyd

    ou are the perfect example of what I mean. You constantly threaten and demean others, even when you are on the defensive. Like Jews as a group, your personality is a mixture of hyper-aggression, passive-aggression, woe-is-me and fuck you, rules are for you, all wrapped in a shape-shifting tribal shell.

    Take a look in the mirror. Your comments are projections. You are the biggest demeanor, passive-aggressive person on this site. You cannot wait to put all things Jewish down.
    Yes I respond on the defense.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  147. Suit yourself. I fully admit to many wrongs on the part of America and Whites, as most White Americans do. We’ve also patiently sat back and hoped for good to come out of all the phoney social justice schemes done in our name. There’s nothing aggressive or supremacist in any of that. When do Jews as a group do anything without a tribal angle? Never! I’m not even sure that many individual Jews do.

    According to you, everyone is the most aggressive anti-Semite on the site. Make up your mind!

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  148. Wally says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Your projecting again, Fran.
    -Revisionism is but one of my many, many interests, yet I do recall having shredded you rather effortlessly on your “holocaust” nonsense … every time you tried to debate it. Ah.
    No doubt your embarrassment has effected your smallish, Zionist mass murder supporting mind.

    [MORE]

    -Here’s a deal for you and your vile Zionists:
    We’ll stop telling the truth about you, when you stop lying about us.

    – Still waiting for you to tell us how your impossible ‘Nazi gas chambers’ supposedly worked.

    – Still waiting for you to show us the alleged millions upon millions of “holocausted” human remains that you and those like claim exist in known locations.

    recommended new:
    – From of the Holocaust Handbooks & Documentaries Series. Presented by Castle Hill Publishers and CODOH:
    Dissecting the Holocaust—The Growing Critique of ‘Truth’ and ‘Memory’,
    3rd, revised edition, by Germar Rudolf:
    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=1

    “There is at present no other single volume that so provides a serious reader with a broad understanding of the contemporary state of historical issues that influential people would rather not have examined.” —Prof. Dr. Arthur R. Butz, Evanston, IL

    “There is much in the various contributions that strikes one as thoroughly convincing.” —Historian Dr. Joachim Hoffmann, Expert Trial Report

    “Read this book and you will know where revisionism is today. And the shock is that revisionism has done away with the exterminationist case.” —Andrew Gray, The Barnes Review

    “These contributions read like detective stories—analyzing the evidence for several crimes in a Sherlock Holmes style.” —The Christian News, July 24, 2000

    “I envy the United States where such a book can be published without negative consequences. It will probably unleash a broad discussion.” —Historian Prof. Dr. Ernst Nolte, Berlin, Germany

  149. renfro says:

    Babble, babble, babble, babble…..

    For those of you who took a Ethics course in college what was the first question you were asked to ponder?

    The first in my ethics class was the story of a man fording a river stream on his horse. He glimpsed what looked like a small cub being swept down stream and drowning. Gaining shore he ran down the embankment, leaped in, plucked the cub from the river and set him ashore in the woods.

    The question was….was the man’s selfless act ‘learned’ or ‘ inherent’.?

    Answer.

  150. TKK says:

    The “fact of the matter,” he said, “is, millions of people have been killed in vicious circumstances on a regular basis throughout history.” He concluded by observing that genocides have occurred repeatedly over the past 500 years and “in fact, you might say it is like a regular event”.

    This is a sane, factually correct and compassionate statement. That he has been blackballed for it is repellent and criminal.

    I am reading a book about the earliest civilizations. In many parts of the Tigris Euphrates basin, when a wealthy person died, all of his wives, servants, tradesmen and animals were buried with him- hundreds of people at times. Its inconclusive if they were buried alive or killed first.

    But what is conclusive is the tomb builders were soon buried alive as well- so they could not reveal the location of the treasures also buried in the tomb.

    Even the so called Noble Native Americans had slaves and treated other warring parties with extreme brutality.

    The whole history of mankind is chaos, greed and murder. Casual savagery. The Jews in WW2 have no monopoly on suffering- but they are pathologically determined to keep it foremost to their identity- similar to American blacks.

    It seems like the Nordic Countries turned this around for a time and had countries of true respite and civility save a few outliers until they agreed to 3rd world immigration.

  151. Antares says:

    Don’t people have anything better to do than to chat with trolls? I stopped reading the comments. What a waste of time!

    Thanks for making stupid trolls effective, you smart asses.

  152. Gall says:

    Yes never mind all the genocides that occurred throughout history ’cause we Jews are more special than all you goyim. Also please give us all the shekels we need to carry out our own Genocide of the Palestinians but we won’t call it that even though it is by definition. Because we’ve suffered sooooo much.

  153. Can we imagine what the world would have been if really holocaust had happen?

  154. Meanwhile, no one has said a word about the genocidal, anti-white hatred of Extinction Rebellion co-founder Stuart Basden, who wrote a long essay describing Europeans as an “infection” who have brought only “torture, genocide, carnage and suffering to the ends of the earth”, as well as “patriarchy”, “the delusion of white supremacy” and “heteronormativity”.

    The thrust of the essay is that white people are uniquely evil, and that the real goal of XR is “excis[ing] the cause of the infection”, i.e. Europeans, from the Earth.

    In his own words:

    And I’m here to say that XR isn’t about the climate. You see, the climate’s breakdown is a symptom of a toxic system of that has infected the ways we relate to each other as humans and to all life. This was exacerbated when European ‘civilisation’ was spread around the globe through cruelty and violence (especially) over the last 600 years of colonialism, although the roots of the infections go much further back.

    ……..

    So Extinction Rebellion isn’t about the climate. It’s not even about ‘climate justice’, although that is also important. If we only talk about the climate, we’re missing the deeper problems plaguing our culture. And if we don’t excise the cause of the infection, we can never hope to heal from it.

    • Replies: @Weaver1
  155. sarz says:

    Once again, Atzmon chooses to let the Holocaust lie lie.

  156. Weaver1 says:
    @Colin Wright

    Without a religious foundation, there’s nothing to define values, morality, and progress. That’s why genetic engineering is so dangerous. Currently, we’re all descended from Creation. With genetic engineering, man (or man-like creatures) can truly be made into a “disease of the dust.” Similarly, some nations, at least historically, have seen themselves as descended separately from other nations.

    CS Lewis attacked the loss of religion in Abolition of Man. Socrates was made to drink poison for threatening his society’s religious foundation. GK Chesterton obliterated Nietzsche here:

    “Nietzsche scales staggering mountains, but he turns up ultimately in Tibet. He sits down beside Tolstoy in the land of nothing and Nirvana. They are both helpless–one because he must not grasp anything, and the other because he must not let go of anything. The Tolstoyan’s will is frozen by a Buddhist instinct that all special actions are evil. But the Nietzscheite’s will is quite equally frozen by his view that all special actions are good; for if all special actions are good, none of them are special. They stand at the crossroads, and one hates all the roads and the other likes all the roads. The result is–well, some things are not hard to calculate. They stand at the cross-roads.”

    There are a variety of arguments in favor of a healthy, sustainable nationalist society. Europeans needn’t commit suicide. Truth can be pursued without pondering national suicide, which is what the questioning of a religious foundation often is.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @PPB
    , @Daniel Rich
  157. Weaver1 says:
    @Mishima Zaibatsu

    Mishima Zaibatsu,

    If the US and Europe would stop involving themselves in the world, new antagonisms (not involving Europeans) would arise to replace current. When the empire strikes, it often does so in the name of Europeans. I mean to say, others see these polities as the expressed will of Europeans, especially since all involved are democracies.

    While there might be some argument by the (very different group of) imperialists who want an empire that legitimately serves European interests, taking action often seems to create blowback.

    But if Europeans were truly to begin “taking action,” the goal would be to change hearts and minds, not to just anger more people. Even a certain group might find a new group it hates more than Europeans.

    There is surely a way out of this decline. One problem at least in the US is historically WASP society and culture was set up such that WASPs only wanted to work. Others were allowed to take over the culture, finance, politics, etc. Essentially, power was given up to others. WASPs just wanted to work, wanted to work until death, wanted to know nothing but their work, wanted a society run by people who understood only some specific trade (oblivious to all else).

    There’s much to be angry over, but partly we need to also acknowledge past weaknesses/mistakes. It seems like a new church institution is needed, among other things.

  158. Today’s politics (and BS) notwithstanding, Athens and Jerusalem have ALWAYS been anti-diametrical. Anyone asserting otherwise is just willfully (or not) ignoring historical record.
    And a little etymology for the inquisitive: the Ancient Greek word Philistaios (Philistine) means descendant of Philistos (Φίλος + Ιστός) which means “Lover of masts”, just like Philippos means “Lover of horses” (Φίλος + Ίππος) and philosophos means “Lover of Wisdom” (Φίλος + Σοφία). On the other hand, you have people who were never on-the-record lovers of masts, horses, wisdom and beauty.
    It seems to me that the contemporary western citizen is continuously faced with ancient Greek mythological creatures (monsters and Chimeras).

  159. utu says:
    @Weaver1

    You are right. And great C.S. Lewis quote though I like Tolstoy more than Nietzsche. Looking into E. Michael Jones might be a good start.

  160. Moi says:
    @AaronB

    Jerusalem teaches us how to periodically kill people in the biggest open-air prison, people who have no army, air force, navy or nuke.

    Get real!

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  161. Moi says:
    @Fran Taubman

    What planet are you living on? Enough hasbara, already!!!

    • Agree: Gall
  162. What is “uniquely inhumane” is the jewish mission to genocide Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and eventually Iran and Turkey. Let’s not even get into their endless atrocities in Russia, Ukraine and Germany. And don’t ever think the United States is immune from their psychopathic tendencies as they have already begun to do the same thing here in America.

    The jewish “holocaust” is both a despicable hoax and a sick joke on the rest of the world.

  163. Robjil says:
    @AnonStarter

    This does not call in the count the history of the Ashkenazis.

    Supposedly there was so many of them that 6 million were available at all times to be in “trouble” since 1823.

    The Islamic world never had that many Jews. Jews in the Islamic were not allowed to dominate Muslims.

    This was the opposite case in the western world. In Poland and Polish ruled areas since 1025, Jews were allowed to dominate non-Jews.

    This domination mania left Polish ruled areas in the 19th century. It spread to Germany, Russia, Britain and now the USA. It covers the entire the entire western world like a huge wet blanket.

    Islam never allowed Jewish culture to dominate non-Jews. This is the best thing Islam did for the world.

    • LOL: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  164. Realist says:

    The Left Is from Jerusalem

    So are many from the Right.

  165. Everyone knows about ‘The Holocaust’, as if it’s the only one. Few can name any other mass murder perpetrated by gov’t. Even fewer know about the Haganah and the Irgun as relates to Israeli history.

    The Jews are quick to plead their case as a forever put upon minority class. They are equally adept at hiding their terrorist past that survives as gov’t policy to this day. People need to learn about the Jewish / Zionist terrorists that helped create the state of Israel and became many of its leaders.

    The state of Israel was born via the receipt of stolen property when the British gave them a territory that the British didn’t own. It was and still is land theft to this very day.

    • Agree: Gall
  166. Truth3 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    No Jews I know are happy about the tragedy of the Palestinians. In fact they have done all that they could to alleviate that tragedy and suffering.

    Right. Like your cousins that stand on the border as snipers, and kill kids in Gaza. Or the ones that slam 120mm shells into the breech of the tank guns, that obliterate a Gaza hospital.

    Up yours you lying sophist hasbarite foreskin chewing Bitch.

    • Replies: @Saggy
  167. Onebornfree says: • Website

    G. Atzmom says: “The Left Is from Jerusalem”

    No,no no! Say it ain’t so!

    Yet another useless Unz article from a foaming at the mouth statist , with the usual click-bait title designed to attract all of the pro-Jew and anti-Jew statist dimwits and dunderheads engaging in their never-ending pro-Jew/anti-Jew ,left v. Right [ and therefor unfailingly pro-state] “arguments”.

    What a waste of time. WTF difference does it make if “The Left Is from Jerusalem”, or the right?

    Most Jews are apparently pro-state. So what? Most non-Jews are no less statist. It makes a difference that Jews are mostly left wing statist? Really? Are you serious?

    The Elephant In The Room:

    The whole ‘left v. Right” /Jew v. Non Jew “argument” is just another diversion from the elephant in the room- the state itself.

    “Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.” Albert J. Nock

    “The kind of man who wants the government to adopt and enforce his ideas is always the kind of man whose ideas are idiotic” H.L.Mencken

    “Government is a disease masquerading as its own cure” Robert LeFevere

    “Regards” onebornfree

  168. The comedy writes itself.

    The “Holocaust” is part of the Anglo-Saxon-Zionist scam.

    The “Extinction Rebellion” is part of the Green (Anglo-Saxon-Zionist) economy scam.

    One (Extinction Rebellion) making a remark about the other (the Holocaust) is nothing but subliminal propaganda – i.e.: Hey, don’t forget that “6 million” Jews were killed by Germans in gas chambers. And don’t forget that Global Warming is real – otherwise, you will end up like the “6 million Jews”.

  169. Russia, Russia, Russia… What the US has been going through for years, Israel is about to go through it seems.

    Buh, buh, buh… What happens to Gantz if they go to another election? That would be classic. Both top PM nominees might be under incitement during election. If Gantz is elected PM, and then works to give himself immunity in ANY way, he will in essence be doing exactly what he accuses Netanyahu of doing.

    Shows what a great democracy Israel has.

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/prosecutors-reviewing-evidence-of-suspected-misconduct-by-gantzs-failed-firm/

    His face in that article tells the whole story. He can see he is fucked pretty much any way. He has to make some form of admission of guilt before he is indicted, but that might sink his chances of election. So I don’t know what his plan is. If Israel indicts Netanyahu, the crimes that Fifth Dimension are accused of, and its connection to Russian oligarchs who could be against Netanyahu in some way, means that Gantz must be indicted too. Eventually.

    Thus this is a true stalemate.

    No one that I am aware of has a true moral compass in Israel. Thus everyone is guilty of something… What do you do? Admit your barbarity?

    Important for Israeli historians and historians of Israel to remember that one of the major causes of the election stalemates was that both top PMs were under threat of indictment. What happens going forward in the next election if both are still ahead of the party when one is indicted and the other is potentially indicted? Who knows what might happen? Total collapse? Will Lieberman rise? Is he squeaky clean? haha . Will they offer a unity govt to be headed by Yair Lapid? haha wow. Many crazy options floating around I’d imagine. Gideon Sa’ar?

  170. The Left and the Right are both controlled by the zionists , the fact is , it is us against them, zionism is the most destructive force in the world!

    Read the Protocols of Zion, it is all laid out right there!

  171. PPB says:
    @Weaver1

    There’s certainly truth to what you’re saying, but your comment glosses over some of the dysfunctional aspects of institutional (i.e. culturally- and civilizationally-embedded) religion, not that there aren’t also edifying elements within such religions that help to cultivate and maintain public morality and social cohesion in their more positive sense. While religion can provide a window into a greater reality, it can also create a prison that would limit the scope of human inquiry and vision to the boundaries of its own formal perimeter. The example of Socrates that you cite is paradigmatic instance of the latter, while Jesus’s statement that the Sabbath is for man, and not vice-versa, encompasses both of these poles.

    • Replies: @Weaver1
  172. @Anonymous

    White genocide stops being a far right conspiracy theory when Jewish radicals with access to tools of mass propaganda or political power and “pre-traumatic stress syndrome” use perceived threats of their allegedly genocide to rationalize and fascilitate very real violence and collective racial hatred in the present day.

    White genocide stopped being a theory in the USA with the 1965 (((immigration))) bill.

  173. Saggy says: • Website
    @Truth3

    Right. Like your cousins that stand on the border as snipers, and kill kids in Gaza.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX, Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  174. There are no other atrocities that begin to match the evil terribleness of the Holocaust. The author cites the Holodomor, the Boer War, Stalin’s crimes and Neocon global atrocities as equivalent horrors. But no other event in all of history included all of these evils:

    1. Death by a bear and an eagle
    2. Masturbation machines
    3. The stairs of death
    4. Theft of victim’s shoes
    5. Pedal powered brain bashing devices
    6. Vicious dog attacks for violin errors
    7. Tearing of infants in half
    8. Roller coasters depositing victims in huge fires
    9. Babies being dumped from trucks into huge fires
    10. Shaving the heads of victims
    11. Painful medical experiments
    12. Electrified floors
    12. Constant tattooing
    13. Pits filled with crocodiles
    14. Teams of horses used to pull victims apart
    15. Torture using poisonous snakes

  175. @Fran Taubman

    So, defend why Jews sanctify their behaviour.

    For argument’s sake, do the Germans declare unmitigated hatred towards anyone that calls them Nazis, and try to criminalize any criticism?

    German’s ethnically cleansed Jews from Europe, and
    Israel ethnically cleanses Palestinians.
    I find NO contradiction.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Art
  176. There are no other atrocities that begin to match the evil terribleness of the Holocaust.

    This is a true statement when applied to the Holocaust of the Unborn which John Paul II called “an unspeakable crime”. The greatest crime in history will forever remain The Crucifixion but in terms of sheer numbers of victims as well as savagery, abortion (more accurately termed prenatal infanticide ) remains unsurpassed.

    Unsurprisingly, the two are not unrelated. A repentant Bernard Nathanson M.D. who converted to Catholicism as a result of his playing the one pivotal role, explained in his autobiography that abortion in the United States was “the spawn of two wild-eyed Jews from New York.” The other member of the duo was Lawrence Lader whose zeal Nathanson attributed to his virulent anti-Catholicism.

  177. Art says:

    Noticeably, not a single Left politician or thinker stood up for Hallam and his expression of a genuine humanist and universalist outlook.

    The same thing happened when Hillary Clinton attacked Tulsi Gabbard as a “Russian asset.” The other candidates did not defend Gabbard from the grossly untrue scurrilous comment.

    With Jew control, the left have become intellectual weaklings. They are a gang of submissive little thugs.

    Under “Jerusalem rule” the elite intellectual left has truly become a pack of compliant anti-Western rats, always defending the lying theme of Jew victimization.

    There is nothing more important to the Jews then WWII. Anything that remotely challenges the significance of “the six million lie,” must be taken down.

    Most all the pseudo-intellectual gentile lemmings, succumb to the Jew’s Stockholm Syndrome guilt trip scam.

  178. @AnonStarter

    True: a Muslim would put the matter this way: “Jesus was a very great prophet.”

    That’s exactly what two Muslims said to my Catholic father when they observed him to be tearing down pornography from the walls of the plant where he worked as janitor because, as he explained to his boss who inquired into his motive for doing so he “was hired to clean up the place.”

    And Dad’s response was Colin’s: “He claimed to be a great deal more than a very great prophet. He claimed to be God. So He is either Who He says He is or He is not a very great prophet but a very great liar.”

    His interlocutors walked away saying no more. Maybe to think it over. Perhaps you will too.

  179. Jake says:
    @AaronB

    “When Athens and Jerusalem come together again, the tragically separated streams will merge once more to form a healthy culture.”

    If by that you mean that when Christendom is revived we will once again have healthy culture, then you are correct.

    And it is incumbent to keep ever front and center in the mind that the Reformation was anti-Christendom, and led right to where we are now.

  180. PPB says:
    @Felix Culpa

    “God” is a flexible and open symbol, as it points beyond itself into the unkown. I could elaborate, but I prefer to leave leave the implications implicit and “without limitation” as the legalese cliche would have it. Different religious paradigms concretize “God” or the equivalent in different ways.

    PS: Everytime I see restroom graffiti, I think of prophecy too, and I’m not even Muslim.

    • Agree: Robjil
  181. Jake says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    “Not only Jerusalem is immoral , it doesn’t even have a concept of ethics. In Jerusalem ethics is replaced by Torah and Mitzvoth …blind obedience is the name of the game”

    I agree. But I assume you know that those of us who know the necessity of historic Christianity and Christendom see Jerusalem as meaning Christ, Who is anti-Talmud, anti-Pharisee, because are they self-righteous monsters. So when we talk about Athens and Jerusalem coming together, we mean Greek philosophy married to Christ and Church and producing all worthwhile moral philosophy.

    This statement is perfect: “unfortunately this element is inherent to human nature (as opposed to Jews) so we have to go out of our way to identify it and suppress it ..”

    The doctrine of Original Sin (as understood by historic Christianity and perverted by both Protestant reformer heretics and Modern Liberal heretics) explains it.

  182. Skeptikal says:
    @Colin Wright

    It would be hard to avoid after being subjected to the endless sanctimonious BS of AaronB while children and other innocents are being mowed down in Gaza.

  183. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I got news for you. It is not going to end well for anyone trying to destroy the Jews and or Judaism.

    Most of the sane world is upset with the Jew invasion of the ME.

    What – are you going to nuke the world?

    Think Peace — Do No Harm — Forgive — Western thoughts — Art

  184. Art says:
    @AaronB

    Athens teaches us how to think and Jerusalem teaches us how to be moral and spiritual.

    AaronB is so full of it — how can anyone claim that Israel is a moral player in this world. The Jew half of that sentence is insulting and disgusting.

    AaronB creates anti-Semites.

    p.s. Morality is the result of thinking – Athens played a big part of our modern thinking about human relations. (Jew “an eye for a eye” is old world crap.)

  185. Effing Michael Bloomberg today says if he gets elected he will greatly expand legal immigration. He wants to bring in a few hundred million more immigrants to take all kinds of jobs in America because: America needs immigrants to culturally enrich us.

    Meanwhile, as Israel Shamir pointed out the other day, the Impeachment is basically a Jew run affair, from Adam Schiff and Jerry Nadler to chief interrogator Daniel Sachs Goldman to key witnesses Gordon Sondland, Alexander Vindman, Fiona Hill, Marie Yovanovitch et al. It’s a Jew schitt show.

    Jews are the filthy fifth columnists in every society they live in. Henry Ford tried to warn us, we were too stupid to listen. WSJ today has yet another article decrying “rise in anti-Semitism”, this time in Eastern Europe, esp. Ukraine. You need a login to read the article but here’s a quote:

    In these four countries, classic stereotypes prevailed. Asked whether “Jews have too much power in the business world,” 72% of Ukrainians agreed, as did 71% of Hungarians, 56% of Poles and 50% of Russians. Sixty-eight percent of Ukrainians, 67% of Hungarians, 56% of Poles and 40% of Russians agreed that “Jews have too much power in international financial markets.” Fifty-six percent of Ukrainians, 51% of Hungarians and 40% of Poles believe that “Jews have too much control over global affairs.” (Russians trailed at 29%, perhaps because they believe—correctly—that Vladimir Putin is more powerful than a mythical Jewish conspiracy.)

    Citizens of these four countries also resent being reminded of the Holocaust. Asked whether “Jews still talk too much about what happened to them” in the genocide, 74% of Poles answered in the affirmative, as did 59% of Hungarians, 50% of Russians and 44% of Ukrainians.

    This view is widespread in Western Europe as well. Fifty-two percent of Austrians regard the discussion of the Holocaust as excessive, as do 42% of Germans, 40% of Belgians, 38% of Italians and 37% of Spaniards.

    Demography makes a difference. To a remarkable extent, anti-Semitism is now (and perhaps always has been) a predominantly male phenomenon. In the 14 European countries the ADL surveyed, men were more likely than women to express high levels of anti-Jewish sentiments, often by huge margins—22 percentage points in Poland, 15 in Hungary and 11 in Ukraine. In most of these countries, moreover, older citizens were more likely than younger ones to express these sentiments. One significant exception is Hungary, where those aged 50 and older were significantly less likely to voice prejudice.

    The creation of the state of Israel has provided a new focal point for the ancient charge of Jewish disloyalty. Throughout the European countries surveyed, remarkably high shares of the population agree that “Jews are more loyal to Israel than to the countries in which they live.” Even in Sweden, which the ADL finds to be one of the least anti-Semitic countries in the world, 25% of citizens embrace this view.

    The article said in a 2015 survey, 33% in US shared the same view(of Jews being more loyal to Israel than the US), and that the figure is likely higher today.

    45% of Poles and 42% of Ukrainians believe that “people hate Jews because of the way Jews behave,” a view echoed by 32% of Austrians and 31% of Germans.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  186. @OilcanFloyd

    Not everyone. There are many catagories of individuals on this site. There are the Neo Nazis pining for the return of the Reich with real tears. I consider those people deranged.
    There are Jihadis who hate Jews, they are honest muslims that have been brainwashed by a demented religious narrative from dictators and religious tyrants who use Jews and jealously of Jews to torment hatred as they see their populations become irrelevant in the modern world unable to compete.
    Then there is you the WN who are completely clueless blaming all the SJW on the Jews.
    Left, Right it is all a circular firing squat. There are left Jews and right Jews.
    But you cannot blame the Jews for feminism, LGBT rights and immigration.
    It is just incorrect and ignorant.

  187. @Saggy

    You mean this POS. That has been rebuked and disinvited as a lecturer for his total BS reporting on Gaza.

    In the October edition of Harpers, Chris Hedges wrote his sensationalized “Gaza Diary: Scenes from the Palestinian Uprising.” The entire article is a diatribe against Israel without any response by Israeli spokesmen. The climax is a section in which Hedges accuses Israeli soldiers in Gaza of goading Palestinian children to their death: “I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport.”

    Hedges offers no corroborating evidence — no photos, no videos, no outside verification. Hedges never even saw or heard the shots of the alleged crime. He wrote that the Palestinian youth “descend out of sight behind a sandbank in front of me. There are no sounds of gunfire. The soldiers shoot with silencers.”

    In preparing his slander, Hedges apparently was unaware that silencers do not exist in the Israeli arsenal, and it is difficult — if not impossible — to outfit an M-16 high velocity rifle with a silencer. Hedges apparently confused “silencers” with canisters of rubber projectiles — a non-lethal alternative used by the IDF soldiers on the end of their M-16s.

    And this:

    Hedges published the article that got him disinvited on December 15. In it, he wrote, “ISIS, ironically, is perhaps the only example of successful nation-building in the contemporary Middle East, despite the billions of dollars we have squandered in Iraq and Afghanistan. Its quest for an ethnically pure Sunni state mirrors the quest for a Jewish state eventually carved out of Palestine in 1948. Its tactics are much like those of the Jewish guerrillas who used violence, terrorism, foreign fighters, clandestine arms shipments and foreign money, along with horrific ethnic cleansing and the massacre of hundreds of Arab civilians, to create Israel.”

    Jews do not indiscriminately kill children. They are told to stay away from the border fence where hundreds of fires have been started destroying farms. What parent would send a child to a border crossing where the idea is to charge the border and entire the country for the sole purpose of causing havoc? Don’t send your children there and they will not be shot at.

    • Replies: @Gall
    , @Colin Wright
    , @Nalca
  188. anonymous[307] • Disclaimer says:

    UNZ and Atzmon

    Google the intelligence services of Jewish mafia does not allow to read your paper on cell phone.
    Any body has the same problem? You can read Giraldi but not Atzmon!

    I could not read this paper on cell phone, because, gives you error, snap

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  189. Anon[357] • Disclaimer says:
    @AaronB

    Athens teaches us how to think and Jerusalem teaches us how to be moral and spiritual.

    Of STFU, moron.

    The Jewish Jerusalem is nothing but a genocidal quest for Jewish world dominance. Which is told in all of your texts, but is readily found in your Tanakh that every Christian has in their home. You should pray that they don’t realize how the Jews read it.

    Should the masses ever get into a an accurate translation of your Zohar, you should hope to be escaping halfway to Tel Aviv by that time to preserve your life.

    Indo-Europeans never needed Jews to be moral. The premise is ridiculous. Beyond the actual history of Western morality and the foundation of its civilization that has nothing to do with Judaism, all that anyone needs to know this is to know an average group of Scandinavian young adults (innately honest, trusting, good, and spiritual) an average group of Jewish young adults (innately deceitful, worldly, and hedonistic). All with or without religion.

    Allowing Jews ever more access to our societies directly correlates to the trajectory of the moral slide of our societies. That correlation is undeniable.

    Our religion protects us from your religion that targets us for destruction. This mechanism is described well before the advent of supposedly “Jewish” Christianity but the mechanism continues within it. Which is why the Rabbis hate it worse than anything else and the Jewish propagandists look to undermine and destroy it.

    As told in the prophecies they will not succeed, our god will “rise from the dead”, and the Jewish god eventually will be chained under the Earth for eternity.

    In fact, your most repugnant Jews, which Christians hate and Jews ironically and widely like or even love, are helping us with that process as we speak.

  190. @anonymous

    Gilad Atzmon wrote: “Truth is from Athens but the Left is from Jerusalem.”

    Hi Gilad!

    My simultaneous reaction, 😂/😟, Good one!

    Fyi, a few months ago at U.R. comments sector, I created, “The Land of Bilk & Money.” Hm? Well, at least one other regular commenter liked the name.

    P.S.: Since I learned about the ADL’s will to deplatform you…, CONGRATULATIONS, and many more truthful & happy years for you.

  191. sally says:
    @tumi

    Economic Zionism..is a system of economics that takes no prisoners, allows no competition, and destroys all that it cannot own or control. The money at the top is cycled to the bottom to do some harm or to improve the lot of the tribe, but always the $s roll back to the top.. to be used again and again.. It is this cycle of destruction and money bought control that biases the benefits of all societies to the singular benefit of the tribe.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  192. @AaronB

    Athens teaches us how to think and Jerusalem teaches us how to be moral and spiritual.

    Jews don’t know morality if it hits them in the face. The reason the world is so effed up today is because it is now a Jew run world by way of their stranglehold on America. Who benefit most from America’s century of endless wars and endless immigration? Jews. Thanks to Jew controlled media, truth no longer exists, only narrative. Jew run international finance is all about how to transfer the world’s wealth to the hands of the Jews, by hook or by crook. Jewish morality is an oxymoron.

  193. @Weaver1

    There are a variety of arguments in favor of a healthy, sustainable nationalist society.

    A wise tree doesn’t fight a hurricane.

    It goes along with it or otherwise it ends its life right there and then.

    Fortunately, hurricanes aren’t a daily occurrence.

    • Replies: @Weaver1
  194. @sally

    The zionists have controlled the ZUS since 1913 when they fastened their privately owned FED on America that creates money out of thin air and creates debt with each dollar created and their privately owned IRS that taxes any gains on this ether money for the zionist kabal.

    The FED and IRS are the greatest scams the zionists have ever pulled off in the history of America!

  195. I will rather say Truth is from Athens but lies is from Jerusalem.

  196. Gall says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You are such a pathetic liar Fran. You should be ashamed of yourself but since you a Hasbera Clown shame does not enter your vocabulary. Claiming that you don’t shoot children while justifying the shooting of children is about as sick as it gets.

  197. I guess you are so dumb you cannot grasp the problem. Why don’t you go up to some border fence in Frame, or Iran. Light some fires and bring your kids along. When they tell you to get back. just fly some kites.
    You and your children have a 50/50 chance. The issue is not killing children the issue is who puts them in an impossible situation where they are POTENTIALLY sacrificed. Your horror is aimed at the wrong people it is not the Jews you should be angry at more to the point it is the Muslim parents willing to sacrifice their children for a story.
    The same situation would happen to those children any where in the world. A border fence cannot be breached.
    Iran would kill everyone in site.

  198. Weaver1 says:
    @PPB

    PPB, an example I like is pagan Europeans, some anyway, once saw mining as impious. Had all Europeans abided by that taboo, iron and bronze weapons would likely not have developed by Europeans. So, we might have been conquered by foreigners wielding such weapons as a result. If not for the lost power and opportunity, however, abiding by the taboo might have been best. Inquiry and vision don’t interest me as much as do meaning and survival.

  199. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Not everyone. There are many catagories of individuals on this site. There are the Neo Nazis pining for the return of the Reich with real tears…’

    You and Aaron want the ‘return of the Reich’?

    I have misunderstood you.

  200. @Fran Taubman

    ‘I guess you are so dumb you cannot grasp the problem. Why don’t you go up to some border fence in Frame, or Iran. Light some fires and bring your kids along. When they tell you to get back. just fly some kites…’

    To start with, is your point that Israel is no worse than Iran, or ‘Frame’?

    Jeepers, I guess we better cut aid to those places until it’s no greater than it is for Israel. Their leaders haven’t gotten more than one opportunity to address Congress, have they?

    Wouldn’t want to be unfair to the Mighty Mite here…

    Fair is fair. From now on, nothing is embargoed to Israel that isn’t also embargoed to Iran. We’re barring Israeli nukes and Iranian nukes.

    No more of this anti-semitism. From now on, what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If Iran gets it, Israel does as well.

    And as to ‘Frame,’ oh boy…

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  201. PeterMX says:
    @AaronB

    Christians learned to be spiritual from Catholic and Protestant theologians (philosophers), not a religion that places its people (the so called “chosen people”) above everyone else and has so much hatred in it. Christianity rejects that, as did Jesus, and the Biblical Jews had him crucified for rejecting them. Christians follow the new testament, not the old testament that Jews follow and has so much hatred in it.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  202. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    But you cannot blame the Jews for feminism, LGBT rights and immigration.
    It is just incorrect and ignorant.

    It is just incorrect and ignorant, goy!

    Who’re you gonna believe? Me or your lying eyes, goy?

    1. Excerpts from, Jewish Feminist Leaders
    Dr. Judith Rosenbaum

    As a child, I thought all feminists were Jewish women. (I also thought all Jewish women were feminists, but that’s another story.) From an early age, I learned from my feminist mother about Betty Friedan, Bella Abzug, Shulamith Firestone, and other Jewish women who put their hutzpah to work for the feminist revolution. From this perspective, I assumed that the historical feminists I learned about from books and at school–women such as Susan B. Anthony, Lucy Stone, and Alice Paul–must also be Jewish. After all, they were gutsy, loud, and determined, and they changed the world from their position at its margins.

    A Prominent Presence
    As a student of women’s history in college and graduate school, I came to see the limitations of my childhood perspective, and my own feminist vision was immeasurably broadened by exposure to the work of non-Jewish feminists such as Kate Millet and Audre Lorde. And yet, my youthful assumption that there was something Jewish about feminism seemed to be validated by the disproportionate representation of Jewish women among the pioneers and leaders of the modern American women’s movement.
    It’s almost overwhelming to consider the numerous Jewish women who have shaped every aspect of the women’s movement and of American life.

    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jewish-feminist-leaders/

    2. Excerpts from, Rainbow warriors: the Jews who fought for LGBT + rights:

    Few have greater claim to have helped foster that mass movement than Brenda Howard, the so-called “Mother of Pride.” A bisexual Jewish nurse who was involved in both the burgeoning feminist movement and the fight against the Vietnam war, Ms Howard became a leading light in the Gay Liberation Front and the Gay Activists Alliance which were formed in the aftermath of the riots. She coordinated a rally a month after the police raid, and then, a year later, was the driving force behind the Christopher Street Liberation Day march, the precursor of the Pride parades which are today seen across the globe. Ms Howard was the brains behind the notion that the march should be accompanied by a week-long series of events and, together with two other LGBT activists, is credited with naming the events “Pride”….

    But it is the name of Harvey Milk – America’s first openly gay elected politician, who was assassinated in 1978 – which is perhaps most synonymous with the cause of gay rights. Although from a secular home, Mr Milk learned from his mother the Jewish obligation of “tikkun olam”; helping to repair the world…

    https://www.thejc.com/lifestyle/features/rainbow-warriors-the-jews-who-fought-for-lgbt-rights-1.485871

    3. Abstract of Jewish Involvement in Shaping American Immigration Policy, 1881–1965: A Historical Review

    This paper discusses Jewish involvement in shaping United States immigration policy. In addition to a periodic interest in fostering the immigration of co-religionists as a result of anti-Semitic movements, Jews have an interest in opposing the establishment of ethnically and culturally homogeneous societies in which they reside as minorities. Jews have been at the forefront in supporting movements aimed at altering the ethnic status quo in the United States in favor of immigration of non-European peoples. These activities have involved leadership in Congress, organizing and funding anti-restrictionist groups composed of Jews and gentiles, and originating intellectual movements opposed to evolutionary and biological perspectives in the social sciences.

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/27503587?seq=1

  203. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… Jews do not indiscriminately kill children…’

    I’m afraid they do, Fran. Your Israel is an evil place.

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
    • Replies: @AnonStarter
  204. @Robjil

    Thanks for reminding me of the Ashkenazim, whose matrilineal origins are demonstrably not Middle Eastern:

    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fgene.2017.00087/full

    We provide additional validation to the non-Levantine origin of AJs using ancient DNA from the Near East and the Levant. Due to the rising popularity of geo-localization tools to address questions of origin, we briefly discuss the advantages and limitations of popular tools with focus on the GPS approach. Our results reinforce the non-Levantine origins of AJs.

    My response was a quick backhand to Fran, who had squabbled some nonsense about Muslims “disqualifying the legitimacy of Jews,” but you’re right to point out my error in assuming she descends from the Sephardim.

    That said, Islam’s protection extends to Ashkenazim as well, regardless of how some Jews disqualify others’ claim to Jewishness because of their bloodline.

    The worlds of eastern and western Jewry referenced by Wasserstein were fading into oblivion before Muslims assumed control of the lands in which they lived. If anything, Muslims served to increase those numbers. Muslim rulers didn’t endeavor to suppress Jewish culture, but rather, their style of administration typically discouraged incivility by granting an unprecedented measure of autonomy to Jewish communities while maintaining firm suzerainty. It’s the nature of that suzerainty which made all the difference.

    In other words, most Jews had it pretty good under the Muslims, so they felt no need to commit suicide by rebellion.

  205. @Colin Wright

    /I’m afraid they do, Fran./

    The linchpin term is “indiscriminately.”

    Remember, “[t]he best of the goyim, kill him” is a religious imperative, and a very discriminating one at that.

  206. Nalca says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Jews do not indiscriminately kill children.

    http://www.meezaan.org/eng/?mod=articles&ID=86

    Or perhaps you mean you only kill non-jewish children ? So it is not ‘indiscriminately’ ?

  207. @PeterMX

    “Christ commands it! Enter upon the road to the Holy Sepulchre; wrest that land from the wicked race, and subject it to yourselves. God has conferred upon you above all nations great glory in arms. Accordingly undertake this journey for the remission of your sins, with the assurance of the imperishable glory of the Kingdom of Heaven.

    “All who die in battle against the pagans, shall have immediate remission of sins. This I grant them through the power of God with which I am invested. O what a disgrace if such a despised and base race, which worships demons, should conquer a people which has the faith of omnipotent God and is made glorious with the name of Christ!

    Pope Urban II
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Urban_II

  208. Poco says:
    @AaronB

    As I constantly argue, everything comes into existence with its opposite, as a pair. “Single” things do not exist. Only pairs exist.

    This is ridiculous. It seems that you have done some study but it has lead you to some weird conclusions.
    Everything comes into existence because of differences, not opposites. It is called discernment, or, dare I say it, discriminating. I find your philosophy shallow and sophomoric.

  209. Skeptikal says:
    @Tired of Not Winning

    Look at this as an “exit poll.”
    The WSJ obviously seeks to discount these people’s views as “anti-Semitism.”
    Jeez, I wish we could have a referendum in which the question is:

    “Should Jews be retricted in finance and the media to their actual percentage of the population, per census results?”

    That would quickly clear the dust.

  210. Skeptikal says:
    @Dr. Moreau's Biographer

    This is the first time I ever heard of gematria.

    But what a brilliant way to code messages so that words mean numbers.

    This would have come in extremely handy when, in the early capitalist era, Jewish money lenders in far-flung cities—say, brothers located in London and Naples; or New Orleans and London [i.e., in the context of the cotton trade]—had to communicate about offering letters of credit, etc. A courier could be waylaid by bandits on the road, or spies, but if the gematria were used to convey info, the waylayers wouldn’t get anything valuable to sell, or learn anything.

    In fact, the use of both Hebrew and gematria would be like a two-layer code system.

    Obviously, the disintegration of the feudal system led to ever greater importance of *money/cash.* As tax collectors, the Jews would already have possessed insights into how the top of society meets its moeny needs via loans, etc. It would have been a cake walk to transfer this know-how to the many upcoming “entrepreneurs” who needed credit to get going. Not to mention voyages of discovery to find new resources to exploit. A secret coded way to talk about money would surely be valuable in any stage of economic history.

    In fact, it may be that in the film clip shown, introducing the idea of the Fibonacci sequence as an “explanation” for the “meaning” of gematria may well be a misdirection of attention from what seems like a more plausible explanation.

    When I looked up “gematria” in Wiki, I saw that there are a number of different systems for decoding letters to stand in for numbers. Not one system. Nothing holy about it.
    Just another means for concealment and deception.

  211. @geokat62

    You are just a Jew hater Geo always was always will be. Irrelevant what Jews have done or will do.
    The great things they have contributed to the world.
    Irrational hatred solves a deep insecurity and fear of the universe.
    If it is not one thing would be something else. Plenty of no Jew gays. Get real

    • Replies: @geokat62
  212. @Colin Wright

    FRANCE. That is what I meant to write.
    Let me refrain.
    Go to the border of any sovereign country and try crossing it with warnings to stay back.

  213. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Irrelevant what Jews have done or will do.

    Sorry, Fran. What Supremacist Jewish organizations do is very relevant, indeed, to some of us.

    They are largely responsible for destroying Western homelands by promoting mass immigration facilitated by pumping their cultural Marxist poison throughout our societies.

    As a result of their stupendous successes, the chickens will surely come home to roost… notwithstanding your hopeless efforts to avert the inevitable onslaught.

    Fran, you remind me of that little Dutch boy who put his finger in the dike. My advice? Make sure you’ve got your wetsuit on cuz things are about to get very wet around here?

  214. Johan says:

    ‘German Foreign Minister Heiko Maas said the Nazi genocide was “uniquely inhumane”’

    The corrupt and incompetent Germans authorities pathetically control their population by maintenance of the guilt complex, for reasons of power mongering. How come a people elect authorities who are out to control them like that? Collective sadomasochist complex? This happens not only in Germany of course, but they are the master example.

  215. Johan says:

    By the way, as noted by other writers on unz.com, the European right to a fair degree is also from Jerusalem. Best example would be Tjeerd Wilders from The Netherlands, a fervent pro-Zionist, some local member of his party, after it became known that he had expressed some sympathy for a holocaust revisionist was thrown out of the party. The right wing media in The Netherlands are also at large from Jerusalem. They whine a lot about the lack of freedom of speech, unless it is about a critical view on the Holocaust or Jews. These are only a few examples from the European right.

    So let put this back into perspective, the Western world is from Jerusalem these days, ‘Judeocracies’ as someone called it.

  216. @Skeptikal

    First of all, Hindu–Arabic numerals we all use now had not been known in Christendom prior to the Renaissance Era, however the Greek and Roman alphabet numerals were used instead and coded messages were known then and used when needed so the whole discourse about the cunning Jews is flawed from the start. You are wrong about all of it.

    In fact, it may be that in the film clip shown, introducing the idea of the Fibonacci sequence as an “explanation” for the “meaning” of gematria may well be a misdirection of attention from what seems like a more plausible explanation.

    For that to not seem to be a trick what is needed first is to understand the concept of the Tree of Life and emanations of God, and then it will make perfect sense. However, that sequence is a mere demonstration of the technique. Much more astonishing examples of gematria exist and to be honest, to me it is challenging to comprehend since it makes me wonder how that is possible.

    Perhaps in the first case in point, “a mother and a father make a child” we can assume that a few such expressions might have been programmed into the alphabet when it was created, but when the first sentence of the Scriptures turnes into a perfect triangle with the word “wisdom” being the length of its sides – I do not know what to think.

    When I looked up “gematria” in Wiki, I saw that there are a number of different systems for decoding letters to stand in for numbers. Not one system. Nothing holy about it.
    Just another means for concealment and deception.

    There is one table of values, and no deception is possible here. Numbers are numbers, words are words. The book is known, it is canonized and the text has not been changed even a slightest bit for almost two millenias, with all the letters and paragraphs in it counted and sealed.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gematria#Values_table

  217. @Fran Taubman

    Iran would kill everyone in site.

    a twisted tale from Jewish Exponent, about how Josh Fattal’s Jewishness was hidden but it was not hidden and some of the folks back home wanted his Jewishness kept out of the reports but others didn’t because, well, you know, holocaust:

    https://www.jewishexponent.com/2013/02/26/the-untold-story-of-josh-fattal/
    Many of the details of the story are well-known. Fattal, Shane Bauer and a third individual hiking in Iraqi Kurdistan, Sarah Shourd, were arrested in July [30] 2009 by Iranian guards, after apparently inadvertently straying into Iranian territory. It is still far from clear exactly what transpired that day, whether the threesome had actually entered Iranian territory, whether they had been coaxed over by border guards or some other scenario. The three were charged with spying for the United States and sent to Iran’s notorious Evin prison.

    break: has anyone ever heard or read “Evin prison” mentioned without the prefix “notorious?”

    Shourd, who was engaged to Bauer in prison,

    were they engaged before they were imprisoned, or did they hook up at one of Evin Prison’s notorious speed-dating evenings?

    became ill

    Or was she pregnant?

    Whatever. Lucky she was in Iran’s notorious Evin prison. If she’d been in Aweshucks Death Camp, Dr. Mengele would have stitched her, pelvis-to-pelvis with her affianced.

    and was released last year on $500,000, given by an anonymous party. Last month, the two remaining hikers were convicted and sentenced to an eight-year prison sentence.

    Ya ya ya, sentenced to an eight year sentence in notorious Evin prison.

    Everybody knows that cunning Eyeranians calculate that in eight years’ time everyone will have forgotten about the two jailbirds, the “anonymous party” who gave the $500,000 would have put a lien on- then taken possession of a $30billion Iranian hotel in New York, while Eyeranians would have done just as the ever-credible Fran said they would: “kill everyone in site [sic].”

    OOOPS

    9/26/2011 Two American hikers held for years in an Iranian prison came home Sunday, declaring that they were detained because of their nationality, not because they might have crossed the border from Iraq. . . .

    Technically correct; two of the threesome spent approx. 2 years and 7 weeks in Iranian custody.
    It took them just under two and a half years to write their book about the “brutal years behind bars.” In their heartbreaking (but, alas, not chart-breaking) tell-all, Shourd discloses that she had “a nervous breakdown”; a female Iranian guard was “horrified” to find her “screaming” in her cell.

    Clever.

    That’s all old and forgotten news.
    The point of bringing it up is to demonstrate, once again, that Fran Taubman is full of shit.

    EDIT
    PS this just in:
    Fran Taubman says:
    November 28, 2019 at 4:47 pm GMT
    FRANCE. That is what I meant to write.
    Let me refrain.
    Go to the border of any sovereign country and try crossing it with warnings to stay back.


    oh if only you would refrain.

    and check out US borders where HIAS ushers interlopers in

    god damn but you lie so easily

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  218. L.K says:
    @Fran Taubman

    No Jews I know are happy about the tragedy of the Palestinians. In fact they have done all that they could to alleviate that tragedy and suffering.
    It is the Arab muslim leaders nieh, nieh…

    Wow, You really are a total POS, not to mention yet another pathetic Zionist LIAR.

  219. Druid says:
    @Colin Wright

    Stopped reading the moron Aaron B a while ago. Total rubbish!

    • Replies: @bikeanarkist
  220. Druid says:
    @Felix Culpa

    Except he never said it. That’s a fallacy!

  221. @Felix Culpa

    /True: a Muslim would put the matter this way: “Jesus was a very great prophet.”/

    More precisely, a Muslim would put it this way:

    Jesus was the only sinless man ever to walk the earth. Immaculately conceived, he restored health to the sick, sight to the blind, and life to the dead, all by the Hand of God. He is utterly free of that which the hypocrite Scribes and Pharisees attribute to him and his mother, and their name shall be exalted for as long as God is. One who does not love God’s Word, the Messiah, son of Mary, is not worthy of the company of God Himself.

    /Perhaps you will too./

    Been there, done that. I’ve got the t-shirt to prove it.

    You’re talking to someone who was born and raised in a church-going Catholic household, so I can tell you with the utmost confidence that those Muslims whom your father addressed remained silent because it’s our habit to avoid vain contention over such matters.

    That said, your father sounds like a morally upright man, of which I wish our country had far more.

  222. Bookish1 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    What planet are you living on? Jews dont give 2 shots about palestinians.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  223. @Just another serf

    So many of the atrocities of which the Germans are accused of having committed are so burlesque that they’re laugh-out-loud funny: Masturbation machines, pits filled with crocodiles, vicious dog attacks for violin errors. Things so absurd that they sound as if they were lifted straight from a Sacha Baron Cohen movie. 🤣

  224. geokat62 says:

    This one’s for you, Fran. So, pay attention.

    This is what a Jewish truth teller sounds and looks like:

    Comedian Dave Smith on Ben Shapiro and the Alt-Right

    Description:

    Jewish comedian Dave Smith talks about Ben Shapiro’s hypocrisy and poor arguments against the alt-right. While Dave Smith does not agree with the alt-right, he gives an honest take on the movement and its ideas.

    Skip to 8:42 to hear what he has to say about the legitimate grievances European-Americans are expressing about becoming a minority in their own country and why they are starting to fight back via the Groyper Wars.

  225. @SolontoCroesus

    Well there was the Berlin wall, a lot of people were shot trying to cross it.
    The Iranian situation is not an analogous situation. Think.
    They were accidental hikers.
    People in Gaza are trying to do a “march of return” they are deliberately trying to cross the border to flood Israel with illegal entry.
    They have dug tunnels from Gaza to elementary schools in Israel with the hopes of kidnapping children.
    Do you think there ideas are peaceful?
    Try those same tactics in any sovereign country, like lobbing missiles across the border of a country.
    I just do not get where you are coming from, but then again you write that the big Jews hired Germans do kill the little Jews.
    Do you have any canceled checks to prove that? Or money transfers? And you call me a liar. LOL.
    Borders fences are put there to defend the citizens of the country from invasion. If you invade with the idea of being hostile to the population you will be shot.
    That is the truth.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  226. @Bookish1

    That is a lie, there are 1.6 million Arab Palestinian citizens in Israel. They are judges, lawyers, they serve in the IDF. They are doctors and run hospitals.
    Ever been to Israel you fool, or do you listen to propaganda. The people get along just fine. It is the Muslim Jihadi leaders that keep their populations in rat like conditions so they can commit Jihad against the Jews. They have an entire population imprisoned , so they can lob missiles into Israel.
    Go figure.

  227. @Felix Culpa

    His interlocutors walked away saying no more. Maybe to think it over. Perhaps you will too.

    Perhaps they were thinking that it was a mistake to try and reach out to Christians for common ground. Perhaps your father should have accepted the compliment with grace and shook the hand that was offered with sincerity and goodwill. It is these everyday opportunities that can genuinely help communities form bonds of goodwill with each other. Sadly, your father squandered his opportunity on account of his orthodox rigidity.

  228. @Druid

    Fran Taubman and Aaron B should just shuddup, and troll on an MSM site.
    They discredit the Jews they think they represent.

  229. Ace says:
    @Fran Taubman

    The meaning of left and right is crystal clear. Totalitarianism v. liberty. This clarity is deliberately distorted and, with the apologists of Jewish bolshevism, this distortion takes the form of endlessly trying to place National Socialism on “the right” so as to hide the vastly more hideous crimes of Jewish communists. Genrick Yagoda killed more Russian Christians then Hitler killed Jews.

    Jews are determined to prevent the focus from shifting from the National Socialists to their role in Bolshevism and its crimes. The number of movies about The Holocaust and the evil Nazis must be in the hundreds. Honest Hollywood films about Soviet atrocities are hardly more than ten, if that. And the non-publication of an English translation of Solzhenitsyn’s Two Hundred Years Together is no accident. There must not be a frank discussion of Jewish supremacism and subversion.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  230. @Ace

    Good luck trying to convince the world that Bolshevism is worse then National Socialism.
    I mean ring up the Castro brothers.
    Bravo. The Jews are worse then Hitler.
    I am all in

    • Replies: @Art
  231. Art says:
    @bikeanarkist

    German’s ethnically cleansed Jews from Europe, and
    Israel ethnically cleanses Palestinians.
    I find NO contradiction.

    The comment of a simpleton – who with half a brain, cheers on and justifies ethnic cleansing?

    Germany was wrong – so is Israel.

    Two wrongs NEVER make a right.

    Think Peace — Do No Wrong — Forgive

    • Replies: @bike-anarkist
  232. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Bravo. The Jews are worse then Hitler.

    Being in the category with the Nazis – is not a good thing.

    All ethnic cleansing and apartheid nations are doomed for bad times.

    Think Peace!

    p.s. Franny – How many anti-Semites did you create today?

  233. geokat62 says:

    Quick question, Fran. Do you believe that Diversity Is A Strength?

  234. Truth3 says:
    @Just another serf

    Let us not forget sewing twins together, and steaming the victims alive, and being repeatedly raped by Nazi black leather dominatrixes.

  235. Truth3 says:

    Taubman was born to Jewish immigrants Fannie Ester Blustin and Philip Taubman. His parents came to the United States from Białystok, in northeastern Poland. His mother was his father’s second cousin.

    Frannie is most likely the product of incest of multiple generations back, at the least. Makes that Facebook photo more understandable.

    Taubman was a criminal, by the way. Rotten Apples don’t fall far from the tree.

    Once again, in case you missed it…

  236. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Well there was the Berlin wall, a lot of people were shot trying to cross it….’

    If they’d been shot by the West Germans, you’d be on your way to having a point.

    Of course, the West Germans would have had to have shot the East Germans while they were still in East Germany. How many of those Palestinians Israel has murdered had actually crossed into Israel?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  237. @Colin Wright

    Crossing not the point. How many of those Germans or anyone started massive fires across the border?
    You fool you think they were just standing there

    Tell me what is the purpose of the Palestinians “right of return”. To go there and get shot so they can be victims. And you can write about it. That is deliberately what they are setting out to do. To cause trouble like Russian roulette to see who goes down.

    Again stay away from the border you will not get shot at and oh yeah don’t lob bombs and civilians.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
    , @Art
  238. geokat62 says:

    Again stay away from the border you will not get shot at and oh yeah don’t lob bombs and civilians.

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch…

    Excerpt from 26 Jewish groups sign letter condemning policy that separates children from migrant parents:

    The letter*, which was organized by the Anti-Defamation League and Jewish Council for Public Affairs, calls the policy “unconscionable.”

    Signers include three major Jewish religious movements — Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist — as well as the American Jewish Committee, HIAS, Jewish Women’s International and Uri L’Tzedek, an Orthodox social justice organization.

    *https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/documents/jewish-orgs-letter-sessions-nielsen-family-separations-2018-06-12.pdf

    https://www.jta.org/2018/06/14/politics/26-jewish-groups-sign-letter-condemning-policy-separates-children-migrant-parents

    Contrast this with what is taking place in the Apartheid State…

    Excerpt from Border fence in Israel cut illegal immigration by 99 percent, GOP senator says

    “Israel … had a real problem with illegal immigrants coming in from the southern border, about 16,000 in one year. In two years, they constructed 143-mile fence, about $2.9 million per mile, and it cut that illegal immigration rate from about 16,000 to I think 18. Cut it by 99 percent,” Johnson said.

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/13/ron-johnson/border-fence-israel-cut-illegal-immigration-99-per/

    Guess who paid for that fence?

  239. Skeptikal says:
    @Fran Taubman

    ” To go there and get shot so they can be victims.”

    Wow, a genuine confession of intent.
    Of Jewish intent regarding the tactical value of getting killed and being a victim.
    As a PR stunt.
    Very revealing there, Franny.

    • LOL: Assad al-islam
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  240. @geokat62

    Guess who paid for that fence?

    Greeting brother geokat62,

    Uncle Schmuel!

    Please tell me that I am not wrong?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  241. Art says:
    @geokat62

    The letter*, which was organized by the Anti-Defamation League and Jewish Council for Public Affairs, calls the policy “unconscionable.”

    Oh ya — creepy weird mendacious screwed up US Jews – putting a undeserved false guilt trip on America.

    FACT — AIPAC and these Jew organizations control congress. They will not let congress pass any legislation that would fix our immigration problem.

    What nerve – the US Jews do this to us, all the while The Jewish State – Israel is an apartheid state.

    Do No Harm

    • Replies: @geokat62
  242. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Tell me what is the purpose of the Palestinians “right of return”. To go there and get shot so they can be victims. (Jew think!)

    Hmm – would Bloody Fran be more then happy to do the shooting!

    What a creep!

    Do No Harm.

  243. geokat62 says:
    @Assad al-islam

    Please tell me that I am not wrong?

    I wish I could, but unfortunately I can’t.

    as-salaam ‘alaykum!

    • Agree: Assad al-islam
  244. @Skeptikal

    That is right it is very revealing for sure. It is all a set up by Hamas to garner PR. Send people to the border to get shot.
    How fucking cynical is that. Jews have no interest in shooting anyone.

  245. Thew jews knowingly and conspiring through policy and intel agencies taker something that never happened and make it into a religion denying of course the truth….reminds me of a certain event where truth was denied and fake libelous stories made up to smear the individual … paying lying to bear false witness and invent faked stories in their schizo noggins…hmm what could that be?

  246. @geokat62

    I hope you realize how not only fucking stupid your comment is, but how thoroughly incoherent like not even readable.
    People coming to the US southern border try to come into the US are doing so to join our country and become American.
    Palestinians crossing the border trying to come to Israel want to kill all the Jews and turn Israel into Palestine.
    Oh yeah just let them come right in for a little Jihad with their smoking pipes.
    That’s right they want to come to Israel for a little genocide.
    Pardon me if I higher a sniper to keep them out, even when they send children for a game of Russian roulette PR scam.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  247. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    … Jews have no interest in shooting anyone.

    Tell that to JFK!

    • Agree: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  248. @geokat62

    thats false jews promoted “evolution” their discredited sick POZ horseshit and the biological sciences was all them…they promoted the lie and scientism horseshit. There is not one incidence of jews supporting “creationism” the talmud and kabbalah officially nulliy that stuff for ignorant weaponized directed at the enemy goyim religion spewage of “evolution” Volker, Scaife and other mega talmudic zionist asshats pushed and spewed the lethal concoction of jewishj racist extertemist you came from rocks bullshit to demoralize, and disentegrate all enemy goyim religions to weaken the resistance. Jews removed prayer from schools and instituted the talmud…the jews promoted larpingly so with a thin mask atheism and “Secularism” and all this other shit which was merely the repealing and repression of Christian and european and goyim collective force what transplanted it was the goyim being taught they are worthless magic create from rocks 2 sexes magically appearing at the same time all system fully developed online “accidents” while they kikes were taught they were special chosen and the god race of a lucifer duality cult.

    You are ignorant low IQ and un-educated pathetic the “racial” “biological” and etc. “sciences” are all discredited low IQ nonsense just the mindless driveling and false talmudic warped mouthy autism by the cult with some occasional frank admissions “We have no idea what we are looking at” God created humans he created the races, they started fucking everything, the jews killed Jesus and worship satan get it through your dumb goyim head

  249. geokat62 says:
    @Art

    What nerve – the US Jews do this to us, all the while The Jewish State – Israel is an apartheid state.

    Well said, Art!

  250. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Jews have no interest in shooting anyone. — Yet they do it every day in Palestine.

    Jews shoot and Jews lie.

    Do NO Harm

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  251. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I hope you realize how not only fucking stupid your comment is…

    Palestinians crossing the border trying to come to Israel want to kill all the Jews and turn Israel into Palestine.

    Sorry for the confusion, Fran. What I did there is called a pivot. Your discussion of the wall in the Apartheid State reminded me of the US/Mexico border wall where Jewish Supremacist groups are playing a leading role in facilitating as many illegal aliens as possible to cross it, while at the same time defending the Apartheid State’s efforts to keep all sub Saharan schvartzes from crossing the border.

    Tell you what, Fran. I’ll continue to do my best to point out Jewish Supremacist double standards (of which there are plenty) and you do your best at defending the indefensible.

    • Agree: Assad al-islam
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  252. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Jews have no interest in shooting anyone.

    Who should The Dumb Goyim believe, Fran, you or Ron Unz?

    Both of these simple facts have been widely accepted in America throughout my entire lifetime. But combine them together with the relatively tiny size of worldwide Jewry, around 16 million prior to World War II, and the inescapable conclusion is that in per capita terms Jews were the greatest mass-murderers of the twentieth century, holding that unfortunate distinction by an enormous margin and with no other nationality coming even remotely close. And yet, by the astonishing alchemy of Hollywood, the greatest killers of the last one hundred years have somehow been transmuted into being seen as the greatest victims, a transformation so seemingly implausible that future generations will surely be left gasping in awe.

    http://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-holocaust-denial/

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  253. Weaver1 says:
    @Daniel Rich

    Fortuna might reward one survival strategy over another, during a natural disaster.

  254. geokat62 says:

    Bloomberg: “We Need More Immigrants To Improve Our Culture, Cuisine…”

    But, but, it’s just a conspiracy theory, goy!

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  255. @Fran Taubman

    Hamas is a Mossad front to give Israel the excuse kill Palestinians.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  256. @geokat62

    What America needs is a law that prohibits dual citizens from holding any federal or state office.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  257. @Art

    You missed the point:

    Similar behaviours; only one gets to ad hominem…Guess who?

    • Replies: @Art
  258. Art says:
    @bike-anarkist

    Sorry — I missed your point.

    Art

    Think Peace

  259. @DESERT FOX

    LO fucking L. Jews Jews everywhere, Mossad was Al Baghdadi. Yeah are they Islamic Jihad lobbing missiles into Israel killing civilians.

    You work on this DF.

    What America needs is a law that prohibits dual citizens from holding any federal or state office.

    You work on that you dumb fuck. Write your congressmen.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  260. @geokat62

    That is Ron the mathematical Genius coming up with some derivative to qualify for the
    greatest mass-murderers of the twentieth century,
    So if there are 20 Jews in the world how many would they have to kill to become the greatest mass-murderers of the twentieth century

    It is a trick question. And how did he arrive at that equation?

    • Replies: @geokat62
  261. geokat62 says:

    We’re all familiar with up and coming National Populist leaders in Europe. Italy has its Matteo Salvini. Hungary has its Viktor Orban. Poland has its Andrzej Duda.

    Well, Australia’s Blair Cottrell puts them all to shame with this fiery speech against egalitarianism.

    Blair Cottrell Sixth Speaker at the PEGIDA Rally – Canberra 06/02/2016

    After viewing this speech, it is safe to say the pendulum will soon be swinging hard in the opposite direction. If this speech doesn’t wake the normies up, nothing will!

  262. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    And how did he arrive at that equation?

    If you ask politely, I’m sure Ron would be more than happy to share his calculations with you.

  263. @geokat62

    Sorry GEO but most of us supremacist are against illegal immigration.
    Did you get the memo that we are not robots or part of the Borg in Star Trek?
    We are very divided amongst ourselves.

    Supremacist groups are playing a leading role in facilitating as many illegal aliens as possible to cross it, while at the same time defending the Apartheid State’s efforts to keep all sub Saharan schvartzes from crossing the border.

    You would need an IQ of like 4o to be a supremacist to the above incoherent drivel.
    A. most Jews are not for open borders that would be most of the latinos in the US.
    b. Apartheid Israel’s efforts to keep sub Saharan schvarzes? Palestinians are not black and are not Sub Saharan. You were discussing the Gaza Border you know the one filled with Arabs, and it is certainly not Sub Saharan.

    Try again and ask someone who can write intelligently to help you. Your logic is below that of a child. like 2 plus 2. You are embarrassing the WN and Jihadist. Even the Neo Nazis aren’t buying this stuff. You are stuck with Brother Nathaniel.
    The retard of retards in that stupid outfit.

    I hear he is going broke. Maybe you can help him out borrow his outfit and cross and look retarded like he is.

  264. geokat62 says:

    Sorry GEO but most of us supremacist are against illegal immigration.

    LOL! Try again, Fran.

    Excerpt from Who’s behind the ‘migrant caravan’ invasion? – George Soros and the telltale Star of David:

    The UN and billionaire globalist George Soros are the driving forces behind the massive migrant caravan marching to the U.S. southern border, according to reports.

    As with the previous caravan that sprung up last spring, the open borders group Pueblo Sin Fronteras, which is connected to Soros’ Open Society Foundation, is involved with organizing the caravan of 4,000, and the leader of the group was arrested Thursday for attacking Mexican immigration agents….
    Pueblos Sin Fronteras is but one of several Soros groups financially and logistically supporting the caravan.

    “The caravan is organized by a group called Pueblo Sin Fronteras, [b]ut the effort is supported by the coalition CARA Family Detention Pro Bono Project, which includes Catholic Legal Immigration Network (CLIN), the American Immigration Council (AIC), the Refugee and Immigration Center for Education and Legal Services (RICELS) and the American Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) – thus the acronym CARA,” WND reported in April.

    “At least three of the four groups are funded by George Soros’ Open Society Foundation.”

    Even President Trump called out the caravan’s questionable origins, noting the convenient timing for Democrats just weeks before the midterm elections.

    https://dcdirtylaundry.com/whos-behind-the-migrant-caravan-invasion-george-soros-and-the-telltale-star-of-david/

    Oh, here’s a real treat for those who may not be convinced the truck that was transporting the illegal migrants had a Star of David symbol next to the front door of the passenger’s side.

    Just scroll a little down this webpage:

    https://thegharqadtree.com/star-of-david-spotted-amidst-migrant-caravan-oh-what-a-surprise-not/

    … to view a very short video (1:36 long) which is accompanied by the Men At Work hit song, Who Could It Be, Now?

    Did you get the memo that we are not robots or part of the Borg in Star Trek?
    We are very divided amongst ourselves.

    It is very true that there are major divisions among world Jewry. There are conservative Jews. There are liberal Jews. But when it comes down to the eternal question of Is It Good For The Jews?, such as the issue of mass immigration, most Supremacist Jewish Organizations (JSOs) are on the same page. See Ch. 7 on Immigration of Prof. Kevin MacDonald’s Culture of Critique. It is chock full of evidence for this thesis drawing exclusively from Jewish sources.

    You would need an IQ of like 4o to be a supremacist to the above incoherent drivel.
    A. most Jews are not for open borders that would be most of the latinos in the US.

    Well done, Fran. Pin it on the Latinos. Just read the article I posted about the Star of David spotted on the truck and you’ll learn who is funding the group, Pueblo Sin Fronteras. It sure as hell isn’t Carlos Slim, lol!

    b. Apartheid Israel’s efforts to keep sub Saharan schvarzes? Palestinians are not black and are not Sub Saharan. You were discussing the Gaza Border you know the one filled with Arabs, and it is certainly not Sub Saharan.

    I tried giving you a clue before when I noted the word “pivot,” but unfortunately to no avail. lol

    You are stuck with Brother Nathaniel.
    The retard of retards in that stupid outfit.

    I hear he is going broke. Maybe you can help him out borrow his outfit and cross and look retarded like he is.

    Brother Nathanael is a truth teller and like most truth tellers he will be mocked and condemned by those who hate the truth. Like all truth tellers, however, Brother Nathanael will be vindicated with the fullness of time. That’s because he’s on the right side of history, Fran. And you’re not!

  265. @Fran Taubman

    Israel and the zionists in the ZUS government did the attack on the USS Liberty and the attack on the WTC on 911 and Israel and the ZUS and ZBritain created AL CIADA aka iSIS, do some research!

    • Replies: @geokat62
  266. geokat62 says:
    @DESERT FOX

    … do some research!

    Fran would rather do some Hasbara!

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  267. @Fran Taubman

    ‘How fucking cynical is that. Jews have no interest in shooting anyone.’

    Please. They almost literally fall over themselves to shoot people — even little girls — when the opportunity presents itself.

    That’s almost literally what when two Palestinian girls in Jerusalem — fourteen and sixteen, but they were small — decided to avenge the murder of their cousin by stabbing a Jew. Between them, they had one pair of scissors — the little kind, with about a three inch blade.

    So they stabbed what they thought was a Jew — it turned out to be an elderly Arab — in the neck, inflicting a slight injury and fled.

    The video starts when some Jew has already shot down one of the girls — the unarmed one — and the other one is dancing up the street, menacing every one who comes close with her scissors. She must weigh about eighty pounds; I’d throw a blanket over her and sit on her, myself.

    So one of the Herrenvolk shoots her down at point-blank range — and keeps shooting until she’s lying in a crumpled, inert heap on the concrete. Then, this second Jew in orthodox garb comes up in this weird, crab-like hunch and empties his pistol into her at point blank range. He got to shoot someone!

    …and we’ve seen Jews watching the show in Gaza live from sofas on hillsides, and Jewish children inscribing messages on shells to be fired into Gaza, and Jews planting knives at the feet of terrified Palestinian girls and trying to get them to pick them up so they can shoot them…and that’s just the videos.

    Don’t tell me Jews don’t like shooting people. Israel’s let the cat out of the bag on that one.

    If you love Israel, you love shooting people. Especially small children. You can watch the movie. Enjoy.

  268. @geokat62

    There is no question that Israel and the ZUS are among the biggest creators and supporters of terrorism in the world, all for the zionist agenda of a greater Israel.

    It is an open secret!

  269. … the Right is from Tel Aviv

  270. @Colin Wright

    All lies Collin. The Jews watching on the hillside. Fake photo look it up. Would you kill a child? Get real who would.
    You eat up propaganda. Go there you will see the truth.

  271. @Colin Wright

    What fake movie. There are so many of them. We call it Palywood. You can google it. All fake films.
    Jews do not kill children.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
  272. @Fran Taubman

    The IDF shoots Palestinian children frequently and on purpose, the IDF kills children , do some research!

  273. @Fran Taubman

    ‘All lies Collin. The Jews watching on the hillside. Fake photo look it up. Would you kill a child? Get real who would.
    You eat up propaganda. Go there you will see the truth.’

    You should marry Wally. You two are soul mates.

    Holocaust denial is not a religion. It’s a formula — and it can be applied to anything.

    …can’t it, Fran?

  274. @Fran Taubman

    Here you go, Fran. Faked footage?

    1. Claim it’s faked?

    2. Rationalize what you see?

    3. Don’t respond?

    Pick a card, Fran. Any card.

  275. @Colin Wright

    This is so stupid. Who are those people with guns. Israeli civilians do not have guns, and these are not soldiers. This is ridiculous.

  276. @Colin Wright

    Here is what I can find.

    The video really IS only half the story. Since you want the rest…The 2 cousins cut school and and agreed to murder Jews. They illegaly infiltrated Jerusalem, prayed at al Aqsa Mosque and then bought two pairs of scissors as knife sales were barred 3-weeks before in Jerusalem’s Old City. They then got onto the Lightrail- a type of above ground metro.

    They got off at Jaffa Street-Machaneh Yehudah and began hunting Jews with Hadil- the 14-year old, pointing out Jews she wanted to kill. Finally Hadil ran up behind an 80-year old man who was sitting on a bench, and stabbed him in his rear shoulder. She stupidly attacked a fellow Arab mistakenly thinking that he was a Jew.

    The elderly Arab fled before collapsing and the two terrorists ran up the block lunging after 2 elderly Jewish women and THAT is when the video began, as that point was the first CCTV point in the attack area.

    I am at a loss as to how you could infer that this might have been something different from what to any fair minded and rational adult is ckearly degenerate terrorism.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  277. geokat62 says:

    As Gilad points out in this tweet, people are experiencing anti-semitism fatigue:

    • Agree: Robjil, DESERT FOX
  278. @Fran Taubman

    What exactly am I projecting? Pointing out the obvious truth about the treasonous and corrosive nature of Jews who support the destruction of America by immigration, support of leftist politics, Wall Street corruption, globalism, and war for Israel is projecting? I support none of those things, and I defend nobody from my group who would.

    I’ve yet to see you have a problem with any Jewish behavior, except for what you would call anti-Jewishness among Jews.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @Fran Taubman
  279. @Fran Taubman

    It’s funny that you accuse others of being jealous of Jews, or of not being able to compete with Jews, when it’s Jews who bash others non-stop in the media in the most ridiculous ways, and it is Jews who do all they can to erect barriers against competition.

    Jews may punch above their weight, but they don’t hold a candle to Gentile Europeans when it comes to accomplishments. Being the main parasite in a time of decline is not the same as building a civilization.

    You are also clueless about White Nationalism. I’m an American nationalist, and America happens to be a nation founded and built by Whites. Of course I resent those who are trying to change and destroy it!

    Your problem is that you expect others to excuse the hatred and destruction that you and your group direct at them. You are stupid if you think you can count on that happening in the long term.

    • Agree: Daniel Rich
    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @Fran Taubman
  280. @Fran Taubman

    In other words, you picked option #2.

    You know, they were numbered. You just had to post your choice.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  281. @OilcanFloyd

    Israel depends on the ZUS for the welfare ie foreign aid given to them by the ZUS and is the largest welfare receiver of the American taxpayers, without which Israel would collapse, and if I had my way Israel would not get a penny of our tax money!

  282. @Colin Wright

    Jews do not kill children. What was shown was not the entire video. Most of it was missing. Even you can understand that. It is called

    PROPAGANDA

  283. @OilcanFloyd

    What exactly am I projecting? Pointing out the obvious truth about the treasonous and corrosive nature of Jews who support the destruction of America by immigration, support of leftist politics, Wall Street corruption, globalism, and war for Israel is projecting? I support none of those things, and I defend nobody from my group who would.

    None of those issues are reflect Jewish DNA, they are progressive issue that progressives support.
    Some progressives are Jewish, most are not.
    The leaders of the EU and the European countries are pro immigration and globalism. None of them are Jewish.
    Follow the logic. My point being you are a terror a putdown artist. A destructive force all that you project upon the Jews.
    The Jews are not the force turning the world upside down. You are a force of uncertainty a force of negative some zero.

  284. @OilcanFloyd

    What exactly am I projecting? Pointing out the obvious truth about the treasonous and corrosive nature of Jews who support the destruction of America by immigration, support of leftist politics, Wall Street corruption, globalism, and war for Israel is projecting? I support none of those things, and I defend nobody from my group who would.

    People who attack and hate the Jews are jealous because racist and bigots are usually a looser class looking for a scape goat to reconcile their own failures. Those people use jealousy as fuel.
    If the show fits…..

    Jews may punch above their weight, but they don’t hold a candle to Gentile Europeans when it comes to accomplishments. Being the main parasite in a time of decline is not the same as building a civilization.

    Again all you do is generalize like we are Jews are all robots. We are not. Some Jews punch above some below, we are not all of the same class financially, educational. Some have power some are very low on the scale, and very poor.

    The rest of your comment is pretty incoherent as many of the WN writers who are just confused and dazed. Jews are like all people, some good some bad some ugly like you, VERY UGLY PERSON.

    You are the most parasitic person on the UR constantly feeding off propaganda. You dehumanize people because someone told you to. You cannot add and subtract without someone telling you the answer. A true parasite of others viewpoints, You never thought any of this stuff up yourself. You read it somewhere. It has nothing to too with your life’s experience. What has a Jew done to your personal to harm you?

    You are a babbler a reciter of a paradigm, not an originator. You have no thoughts of your own. Not even two sacks to rub tether for a thought. A true parasite.

    • Replies: @OilcanFloyd
  285. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Jews do not kill children. What was shown was not the entire video. Most of it was missing. Even you can understand that. It is called

    PROPAGANDA’

    Ah. So the child in the video didn’t die.

    After all, as you say, Jews do not kill children.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  286. obvious says:
    @Anonymous

    so you learned nothing the last time around? what you don’t understand us that the Anglo West has an ancient name too: “Israel”.

    https://biblehub.com/obadiah/1-18.htm

    The house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau stubble; they shall burn them and consume them, and there shall be no survivor for the house of Esau, for the LORD has spoken.

    This is a recurring theme in history: there are TWO houses, and you people never learn

  287. obvious says:
    @Kratoklastes

    the moral lesson comes with ears to hear and eyes to see. you being a heathen will have neither, and wish for the inheritance, without earning it first.

    there is a reason that West is Best, and it’s called the Bible. When the Almighty stretches out His hands and MAKES THINGS HAPPEN feel free to argue all you like, and shout at the wind and the storms and earthquakes too.

    The moral lesson is that idolaters and heathens will be punished for rebellion against Nature.

  288. obvious says:
    @Colin Wright

    no that’s backwards. Obviously Christianity is the fusion between Jewish history and Greece. It’s like you forgot that the Old Testament is required to have a New Testament. The ancient Greeks were descended from the Israelite, and recognized this in their own history. It is also mentioned in some of the intermediate books like Maccabees and others. Sparta was specifically recognized to descend from a common source, and also the Trojans who later founded Rome and London.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  289. Ahoy says:

    @ Fran Taubman

    In Colin Wright’s comment #292 Fran says “It is called PROPAGANDA”.

    Well, here is a former Minister of Israeli Government that says the same thing!!

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/israeli-minister-called-accusation-anti-semitism-trick-silence-criticism-israel-video/

  290. geokat62 says:
    @obvious

    The ancient Greeks were descended from the Israelite, and recognized this in their own history.

    Source?

  291. @geokat62

    Hi Brat geokat.

    Weird Jew Fran Taubman can also tell that whopper to LHO’s, er, “I am a patsy” assassin, Jack Ruby Rubinstein.😈

    P.S.: Am convulsed by moving, and my best to you.

  292. geokat62 says:

    P.S.: Am convulsed by moving…

    Everything ok, Chuck?

    • Replies: @ChuckOrloski
  293. @Colin Wright

    Some of the videos have been faked I sent you a google site. It is a thriving industry.
    In this particular situation there was only a partial photo. That girl had already stabbed and wounded two people one Arab one Israeli.
    Look what happened to the guy on the London bridge.
    You are just a wanker Colin trying to accuse Jews of deliberate cold blooded murder. It is a lie.

    • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    , @Colin Wright
  294. @Fran Taubman

    Talk about cold blooded murder , the IDF kills children randomly and deliberately , and then there is the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty and the WTC on 911 in concert with the zionists.

  295. Ahoy says:

    @ ChuckOrloski

    Waiting to hear all is O.K.

  296. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…You are just a wanker Colin trying to accuse Jews of deliberate cold blooded murder. It is a lie.’

    …and your attempts at denial are becoming pathetic. I think you’re actually trying to make yourself believe all the lies you so obviously continuously imbibe.

    You may need to believe all these lies are true. Presumably, Wally et al need to believe the Holocaust didn’t happen. However, in neither case does the need actually turn the water into wine.

    The lies remain lies. They don’t become the truth, and they never will.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  297. @Colin Wright

    You cannot prove a single claim. Jews do not kill children. I am a Jew and I know tons of Israelis and not one of them would kill a Jew. It is antithetical to the Jewish faith.
    We do not kill anyone just to kill. If not in self defense. Show me one sample.

  298. @geokat62

    Dear geo and Ahoy!

    Am doing okay, my Brothers!

    Fyi, this past Saturday, moved into my 2nd Floor apartment, 14 steps, carried everything upstairs but for a heavy wood kitchen table. Lower back disks survived this episode, and now its a routine process of setting up a nice bachelor pad.

    Shall be coming around for Phil’s next installment. 🙏Thanks for caring!

    • Replies: @geokat62
    , @Art
  299. What is this obsession with the Jews?

    In Afghanistan, the child death toll was 3,062. In neighboring Syria, 1,854 children were killed. In Yemen, close to 1,700. Meanwhile, the same report showed that Israeli forces were responsible for the deaths of 56 Palestinian children, 51 of whom died in Gaza during the same violent demonstrations for which Hamas canceled school so students could be present when the strike occurred.

    The third way we know that accusing Israel of targeting Palestinian children crosses the line into antisemitism is the way in which, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, it paints Israel as an evil entity that either specifically targets children, or doesn’t care if children get targeted.

    https://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2019/11/29/opinion-no-israel-does-not-target-palestinian-children/4302840002/

    • Troll: ChuckOrloski
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  300. geokat62 says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Am doing okay, my Brothers!

    Glad to hear that, Chuck!

    • Agree: DESERT FOX
  301. @Fran Taubman

    ‘You cannot prove a single claim. Jews do not kill children…’

    You’re getting hysterical, Fran. It speaks well of you morally, if not intellectually.

    Suit yourself. Jews do not kill children, Hitler is alive and well and living in Argentina, the Titanic wasn’t sunk, but hijacked by Moro terrorists and secreted away in a fishing village in the Celebes, and Jews don’t kill children.

    The horrible truth is Jews do kill children, they do it frequently, they do it with relish, and many of them regard it as a Mitzvah.

    …not you, possibly. I’m not certain you would. I’ll give you that.

  302. @Fran Taubman

    I’m sorry. I and others have posted the counter-arguments to this repeatedly.

    If you didn’t respond to them then, why should I repeat myself?

    You’re apparently impervious to reason on this score. It’d be like arguing with the neighbor’s dog.

  303. Ahoy says:

    @ ChuckOrloski

    Great news! Recouperate and enjoy your mew apartment to the hilt.

  304. Art says:
    @ChuckOrloski

    Chuck — May your new abode provide you with sanctuary. There are many more worthy battles to be contested — Art

    • Agree: Assad al-islam
  305. @Fran Taubman

    People who attack and hate the Jews are jealous because racist and bigots are usually a looser class looking for a scape goat to reconcile their own failures. Those people use jealousy as fuel.
    If the show fits…

    But it’s Jews who support “affirmative action” laws against whites everywhere Jews settle, and it’s Jews who seek tribal advantage over others, while using lawfare to prevent others (mostly whites) from acting as a group. It looks like Jews are the ones who are afraid to compete as individuals, or as groups. There’s really no other conclusion to draw.

    People who attack and hate the Jews are jealous because racist and bigots are usually a looser class looking for a scape goat to reconcile their own failures. Those people use jealousy as fuel.
    If the show fits…..

    Translation: I don’t have a good answer, so I’ll spew Jewish supremacist garbage, or pretend that I don’t understand the issue. Every Israeli I ever met uses the same tactics to avoid the obvious.

    You are the most parasitic person on the UR constantly feeding off propaganda. You dehumanize people because someone told you to. You cannot add and subtract without someone telling you the answer. A true parasite of others viewpoints, You never thought any of this stuff up yourself. You read it somewhere. It has nothing to too with your life’s experience. What has a Jew done to your personal to harm you?

    That truly is incoherent garbage. You couldn’t back up a word of that drivel. My view of Jews is formed by living in Israel as a non-Jew, interacting with Jews in the U.S. and watching Jewish interests at work attacking the majority and doing everything possible to destroy America. It’s obvious what’s going on. Nobody has to tell me a thing.

    You are a babbler a reciter of a paradigm, not an originator. You have no thoughts of your own. Not even two sacks to rub tether for a thought. A true parasite.

    You are joking when you accuse me of babbling or projecting, right?

  306. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I am a Jew and I know tons of Israelis and not one of them would kill a Jew.

    This is probably the only truthful statement you’ve ever made on Unz!

    • LOL: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  307. @geokat62

    ‘I am a Jew and I know tons of Israelis and not one of them would kill a Jew.

    This is probably the only truthful statement you’ve ever made on Unz!’

    The irony of this is that many Israeli Jews quite shamelessly abuse and exploit the trust American Jews will rather pathetically invest in them.

    It reaches the point that back in my previous life as a mover, I once went to give an estimate for a Jewish family I had previously moved, who wanted a bid on behalf of their parents. They wanted to go from Milwaukee to Seattle — but had been badly ripped off by their last mover.

    Hmm…elderly American Jews…got ripped off. I decided to check. ‘Israeli mover?’

    Bingo.

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  308. geokat62 says:
    @Colin Wright

    I decided to check. ‘Israeli mover?’

    Bingo.

    Let me take a guess… was it Dominic Suter’s Urban Moving Systems?

  309. @DESERT FOX

    ‘What America needs is a law that prohibits dual citizens from holding any federal or state office.’

    Wouldn’t that be anti-semitic?

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  310. @Colin Wright

    What it would be is a wonderful thing for patriotic Americans and America.

  311. geokat62 says:

    What today’s normie is thinking as he commutes to and from work:

    Thanks Jewish Supremacists!

  312. @Fran Taubman

    Jews do not kill children.

    Right From The Horse’s Mouth:

    Gaza immortalizes what Gantz and Netanyahu have in common

    Opinion: It was no coincidence that the prime minister reminded his so-called rival of their actions in Operation Protective Edge in 2014, when one was PM and the other IDF chief; the two are bound together by the blood of Palestinian children

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu doesn’t always make sure to speak truthfully, to put it gently. However, on those occasions that he does, it’s worth paying attention.

    https://www.ynetnews.com/article/S1TCoTC3S

  313. @Felix Culpa

    The real Jesus, or Jessos as he was called, did not think himself a God. That was a later invention by the Priesthood.

  314. Ahoy says:

    @ geokat62 #318

    This takes the cake!! Bravo!

  315. @Fran Taubman

    ‘… Jews do not kill children…’

    ‘… In two separate attacks in Gaza City, Israeli forces killed two brothers, Ibrahim Ayman Fathi Abdulal, 17, and Ismail Ayman Fathi Abdulal, 16, and seven-year-old Amir Rafat Mohammad Ayad, according to DCIP documentation. The Abdulal brothers were killed when an Israeli weaponized drone apparently targeted the family’s carpentry shop. Amir was killed when a drone-fired missile struck the motorcycle he was riding with his father and brother…’

    https://www.dci-palestine.org/israeli_forces_kill_three_children_in_the_gaza_strip?mc_cid=afebabfd04&mc_eid=329cfd8572

  316. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…Jews do not kill children…’

    There’s this one too, Fran.

    ‘A Palestinian child who was riding his bicycle near his village in the southern part of the West Bank was hit by an unknown Israeli settler and killed on Monday.
    Tariq Zebania, 7 years old, was from Tarqumia, west of Hebron, and was riding his bicycle by the settlement road near his town. He was struck by a car driven by an Israeli settler who headed into the ‘Adhoura’ settlement after hitting the boy.’

    Perhaps you could tell us about the Israeli investigation?

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