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On Friday, the entire Jewish media sphere was shaken by the fact that the DC Dyke march decided to ban the Jewish Pride Flag.

Apparently the march’s organizers decided to ban “nationalist symbols,” including flags that represent what Jewish event organizer, Yael Horowitz, called “nations that have specific oppressive tendencies.”

March organizer Rae Gaines, another Jewish ethnic activist and a member of the left-wing Jewish group IfNotNow, — wrote via Facebook Messenger to would-be participant A.J. Campbell, the former director of the lesbian Jewish group Nice Jewish Girls, “The issue (with the Jewish Pride flag) is where the Star of David is positioned in a way that looks like an Israeli flag, it creates an unsafe space.”

We are being treated to a Jewish street fight at the heart of the LGBTQ shtetl.

I probably need not note that the entire Jewish universe from the ADL to Jewish LGBTQ bodies condemned the decision as ‘antisemitic.’ ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt proclaimed that “banning the Star of David in their parade is anti-Semitic, plain and simple.” Rabbi Abraham Cooper of the Simon Wiesenthal Center praised the Jewish State as a Gay-friendly country. “Today, on Thursday June 6th, there will be a similar march in the heart of Jerusalem, an event impossible to conceive of in an Arab country or in Iran, where they publicly execute gays.”

I am obviously not qualified to intervene in Jewish LGBTQ matters, but this saga raises some crucial questions. Why is it that Jewish ID politics is so obsessed with genitalia? Is this sex/political fixation motivated by the same cultural impetus that drove Freud, Wilhelm Reich and Marcuse to philosophise on these same private regions? Jews like to be seen as ‘the people of the book,’ but maybe ‘the people of the pishpish’ describes contemporary Jewish Identitarians more accurately.

My FB Friend Rob Patrick asked this morning why LGBTQ enthusiasts like to “identify with a flag of a country that not only bans gay marriage but also forbids marriage between Muslims, Christians and Jews.” I think that looking for integrity where it doesn’t exist may be a waste of time but the truth of the matter is that Jewish LGBTQ may like to identify with the Star of David because from a queer perspective, David wasn’t just a king he was actually the ultimate star: he played for both sides.

Not that I believe a word in the Old Testament, but the King David character is seen by many contemporary scholars and LGBTQ enthusiasts as a gay icon. The Biblical scholars who hold this view point to David’s love affair with Jonathan. In Samuel 2 1:26 the Hebrew king writes, “I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women.”

Some scholars consider this evidence of same-sex attraction that went beyond a platonic affair. Further evidence comes from King Saul’s exclamation to his son Jonathan at the dinner table that, “I know you have chosen the son of Jesse – which is a disgrace to yourself and the nakedness of your mother!” If David was indeed Gay, he clearly was out of the closet more than two millennia before the DC Dyke March.

In 1993, King David’s alleged homosexuality made it into the Israeli Knesset. Yael Dayan, at the time a Labour Knesset Member, referred to King David’s homosexuality in the Israeli parliament and quoted the relevant Biblical verses. Israel’s rabbinical and religious parties weren’t happy at all. The Independent, which followed the scandal, revealed that King David was more than just an ordinary Biblical celebrity, he was actually the essence of the modern Jewish existence. “David was more than just a king: he was the ideal king, the founder of a dynasty around whose figure and reign grew the messianic expectations of the people of Israel. To have suggested that the symbol of the fulfillment of the future was homosexual – an abomination against God in the eyes of the religious – caused an uproar of almost biblical proportions.”

But here is a Jewish miracle. It seems as if the Jewish institutions and pressure groups have matured since 1993. In 2019 Jewish institutions such as the ADL and Wiesenthal Center insist that David and his Star be integrated into the rainbow flag. Finally, the Jewish nation is out of the closet.

But the Biblical star king wasn’t just a Gay icon, he was also a sexual predator and a murderer.

The story of King David and Bathsheba is a disturbing biblical saga (Samuel 2 11:5-27). Bathsheba was the wife of military man Uriah the Hittite, and she was a good looking woman. According to the Biblical narrative, Bathsheba was summoned by King David, after he was walking on the palace roof and saw her bathing naked. Bathsheba was impregnated by the King and according to some scholars, Bathsheba was actually raped by her king. She could have easily joined the #Meetoo movement. In an attempt to conceal his sin, the Hebrew King summoned Uriah from the battlefield. The Hebrew King hoped to send Uriah back to his home so he could have sex with his beautiful wife. Presumably, Uriah could later assume that Bathsheba’s baby was his own son. But Uriah was unwilling to violate the ancient kingdom’s rules for warriors in active service. Rather than go home to his own bed, he preferred to remain with the palace troops.

After repeated efforts to convince Uriah to have sex with Bathsheba, the King gave the order to his general, Joab, to position Uriah on the front lines in the next battle, where Uriah would be more likely to die. Once Uriah was killed on the battlefield, David married Bathsheba. Bathsheba was the mother of Solomon, who succeeded David as king, making her the Queen Mother.

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According to the Biblical narrative, God was most unhappy with the acts performed by the King “ After the time of mourning was over, David had her brought to his house, and she became his wife and bore him a son. But the thing David had done displeased the Lord.” (Samuel 2 11:27).

The Story of Bathsheba should locate the Hebrew king on some unsavoury list. David could easily have ended up spending a life sentence sharing a cell with Harvey Weinstein.

As mentioned above, I do not adhere to the historicity of the Bible. I do not have the means to verify whether the star Hebrew King was gay, a sex predator or even a murderer as the Biblical narrative suggests. But the one thing no one can deny is the fact that none of these parts of the legend has stopped Zionists, Israelis and World Jewry from openly identifying with David and his star. bible

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  1. Rational says:

    ARCHEOLOGISTS DISCOVER WORLD OLDEST PORNOGRAPHIC BOOK—IN A SYNAGOGUGE.

    Thanks for the great article, Sir. You are so right. The Judiasts are obsessed with Middle Waist—the region of the body in the middle, from the navel to the knee.

    The Torah (OT 1-5) is the most pornographic ancient book ever written. It is the Penthouse of ancient times.

    Eg.

    Abraham was a pimp who sold his own wife/sister Sarah, twice, once to the Pharaoh and the second time to a minor King Abhimalech. Some Judaists denigrate themselves by claiming they are his children.

    Noah’s son raped his own father. Lot’s daughters raped their own father. Lot offered the gang his daughters to be raped.

    Moses was a mass murderer and a pedophile.

    “King” David’s son was an incestuous rapist who raped his own sister.

    The Judaists go to the Synagogue every Sat. and the Rabbi reads this vile Torah and they listen to this porn with the utmost reverence. The entire Torah is read once per year and the completion celebrated annually on Simchat Torah, with song and dance, prancing around with this porn.

    Most Jewish men are sodomized upon birth (brit milah) by oral-genital contact.

    Now you know why Judaists are behind porn, gay marriage, whore mongering (feminism and VAWA) and all kind of sexual depravity and why they believe is God is a poor beggar, buying foreskins.

  2. The decline and fall of the entire West. The God who has ruled for 3 thousand years has been found out and exposed.

    Where do we go from here? Back to Paganism & Mythology, with a dash of Classical Philosophy?

    We can’t go on with Corporations running every aspect of our lives. Today, I went in to buy some sweat pants for the gym. Every item had a corporation’s name on it. So, I didn’t buy any. Why do I want to be a walking advertisement for a corporation? But that’s where we are now. Everything is commercialized and Hedonism is exalted.

    Just bought the book “The Wandering Who”. Looking forward to it.

  3. Anonymous[124] • Disclaimer says:

    Hey Gilad, I have been waiting for you to post a article so i could share this link with you. It is a talk on the long history of Left-wing anti-semitism given by Professor at Hebrew University Robert Wistrich on his book From Ambivalence to Betrayal He begins to talk at the 1 hour 20 minute mark. I think you will find the video greatly enlightening. https://youtube.com/watch?v=Lg1nVd633lw

    I am a big fan of your work, you have definitely got me looking at the early Zionist in a different way and I have made readers of your books out of my friends. Keep up the great work!

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
  4. Why is it that Jewish ID politics is so obsessed with genitalia?

    Because Jehovah is. It’s more than circumcision: the religion of the bronze-age tribesmen of the OT is a phallus religion. You’ll read through the OT that various patriarchs erected ‘altars’ to Jehovah. The word is a mistranslation, they were not altars, they were ‘mazzeboths’ – columns of stone, symbolic phalluses. The ancients put them at crossroads and at the corners of their fields, they were symbolic of human order and safety being extended against the chaos and danger of nature.

    At least a few of the cults condemed by jehovah were goddess/vagina cults. Arguably, Christianity is one of them, with it’s emphasis on birth symbolism – baptism, and suspiciously shaped fish symbols.

  5. The whole attempt to ‘pinkwash’ Israel is a bleak comedy.

    This is just another episode. Sometimes lies collapse of their own weight.

    • Replies: @Gilad Atzmon
    , @Wally
  6. @Rational

    It is the idea of identification with that peculiar problematic beginning that bothers me,,, however, it really explains Israel’s non-ethical existence and the fact that it is supported institutionally by world Jewry…

  7. @freedom-cat

    Bless you… Paganism&Mythology are great options…I say NO to Jerusalem and YES to Athens…

    • Agree: freedom-cat
    • Replies: @anon
  8. @Anonymous

    An mazing catch… I am listening now …by the way Stalin’s take on the Bund is identical with Lenin’s position on the Bund (1903) https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1903/oct/22a.htm

  9. @Colin Wright

    the pinkwash is a comedy and the anti pinkwash is a farce…

  10. @Dave from Oz

    At least a few of the cults condemed by jehovah were goddess/vagina cults. Arguably, Christianity is one of them, with it’s emphasis on birth symbolism – baptism, and suspiciously shaped fish symbols.

    Fish seems to be a phallic symbol in Roman art of the imperial period.

    (exhibits below the fold)

    [MORE]

    Exhibit A:
    Mosaic of supposedly late 1st – early 2nd century, North Africa (modern day Sousse, Tunisia):
    Exhibit B:
    Fish against the evil eye
    also modern day Tunisia, details lacking
    I won’t speculate about those mosaics and funeral steles that have two fish (quite common) and no eye.

    • Replies: @Noman
  11. Anon[277] • Disclaimer says:

    My banned on Amazon but available from Unz.com book — The Homo & the Negro — explores the Mannerbund as the foundation of Aryan political structure. Jewish homophobia explains their inability to create a genuine polity, relying instead on parasitism. You don’t need to “believe the Bible”; modern archaeological research has proven that there was no “kingdom” of Israel, only a band of thieves and warriors — a Mannerbund! — with David at its head. This is why David is the only successful “king” of Israel, and why the Messiah must come from his lineage.

    The resemble btw David & Jonathan and Jesus and John is obvious.

    • Replies: @Noman
  12. Noman says:

    “praised the Jewish State as a Gay-friendly country.”

    Sodom and Gomorrah are no longer relevant in the supposed nation of God’s Chosen People.

    If Israel is a secular nation, then it is just like any other nation and should be treated the same for its human rights violations.

  13. Noman says:
    @freedom-cat

    “Where do we go from here?”

    Back to individual sovereignty. Explicit consent of the individual is required for group action.

    Leaders would be the same as everyone, no higher status, no special bloodlines, when they leave office they hold no special place in the group. The leader can be overridden by the group.

    Corporations were created to be above the law and to shield individuals from responsibility for their actions.

    • Agree: Kratoklastes
  14. Noman says:
    @Haruto Rat

    Image 1. That’s no fish. Testicles with penis descending. A well endowed fish.

  15. Noman says:
    @Anon

    Mannerbund, an interesting take on David.

    Parallels with Mohammed being the leader of a bandit group that became part of Medina’s trade strategy. Mohammed was free to attack non-Medina caravans at will, while Medina’s caravans were protected. Mohammed goes on to create a religious-political movement.

    Same as sea pirates, that were stealth naval ships, disrupting the trade of foreign nations across the ocean.

    Today we have NGOs disrupting borders.

  16. anonymous[189] • Disclaimer says:

    The Story of Bathsheba should locate the Hebrew king on some unsavoury list, indeed, and this list should also include the Christcucks’ Davidic Savior.

    Revelation 22:16 “I Jesus…the root and the offspring of David, the bright and Morning Star/Lucifer.”

    • Replies: @Nehlen
  17. @Rational

    Bible as Penthouse?
    Ezekiel 3:35 ” Lo, I never thought that I would be writing such as these verses,verily I visited the dwelling of my friend who biddeth me,”Stay the night and in the morning thou shall break bread with thy friend”. And so it was that I went in to wash myself and whilest I did my friends mom entered. I was ashamed and sought to cover my nakedness. She smiled and bade me to look upon her. It did pleaseth me to look upon her comely breasts as she loosed her gown. She spake in a low voice,saying,”It looks as if thou hath an impressive staff.”

    • Replies: @Houston Texican
    , @Ivan
  18. I think that Gilad and the (non-Christian) pagans on this discussion thread are mistaking descriptions of bad acts and wicked dispositions with advocating such things or extolling them as good and worthy.

    • Replies: @anon
  19. anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tsar Nicholas

    Ah, now the Buybull is an encyclopedic reference of evil! LOL I think you’re engaging in ad hoc excuse making for the Jewish garbage in the Holy Hook.

    • Replies: @Tsar Nicholas
  20. anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dave from Oz

    > suspiciously shaped fish symbols

    You don’t say!

    • Agree: Moi
  21. anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    In spite of Jew worshipers twisting the underworld realm of Loki’s daughter into a place of torment, non-cuckolded European men know Hell is full of buxom blonde babes, beer, and brats for all who qualify entrance.

    Jew worshipers are excluded, unless they abandon their dualcitizenship and repent of their hatred and betrayal of their own blood and soil for a hundredfold bribe to be received in Jewrusalem.

  22. Not that I believe a word in the Old Testament, but the King David character is seen by many contemporary scholars and LGBTQ enthusiasts as a gay icon. The Biblical scholars who hold this view point to David’s love affair with Jonathan. In Samuel 2 1:26 the Hebrew king writes, “I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother; you were very dear to me. Your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful than that of women.”

    Hmmm….that’s interesting. It never occurred to me…ugh…

  23. porn is a Jew racket aimed at killing the Host-nations’ birth-rate:

    http://seductivejewess4.com

    if porn existed in ancient Egypt…you can bet the Mosaic proto-Jews were producing it.

  24. In a further point of resemblance to Donald Trump, King David appears to have been mentally ill and addicted to twittering in the form of writing psalms.

    Like many child stars, David (who hit the big time as a teen when he slew the giant Goliath with a slingshot), seems to have led a dissolute life cushioned from reality by inherited wealth.

    Deliver me from my enemies, O my God;

    protect me from those who rise up against me;

    deliver me from those who work evil,

    and save me from bloodthirsty men.

    For behold, they flie in wait for my life;

    fierce men gstir up strife against me.

    For no transgression or sin of mine, O Lord,

    For no fault of mine, they run and make ready.

    Each evening they come back,

    howling like dogs

    and prowling about the city.

    There they are, bellowing with their mouths

    with false words on their lips—

    @TheRealKingDavid

  25. @anon

    Ah, now the Buybull is an encyclopedic reference of evil! LOL I think you’re engaging in ad hoc excuse making for the Jewish garbage in the Holy Hook.

    The point I was making was that describing something or explainiong it is not the same as excusing or justifying it.

    As for describing the Old Testament as “Jewish garbage,” well, that is somewhat inaccurate. The Founder of Christianity called out the Jews for coming up with their own set of rules and practices, contrary to the Old Testament, and got crucified for his trouble.

    • Replies: @anon
  26. anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tsar Nicholas

    I got the gist of your excuse making the first time; reiterating it doesn’t make it more valid. And it isn’t just the OT that is Jewish garbage.

    • Replies: @Tsar Nicholas
  27. @anon

    And it isn’t just the OT that is Jewish garbage.

    Ah, yes! I had forgotten the Gospel of Luke and the Book of Acts.

    Your posts, with their limited ability to travel beyond schoolboy word play and insult, underline the fact that crazed derangment is by no means limited to the liberal-left.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @anon
  28. All religions have good and bad, why focus solely on Judaism?

  29. anon[382] • Disclaimer says:
    @Tsar Nicholas

    > schoolboy word play and insult, underline the fact that crazed derangment

    I bet you wrote that without the slightest hint of your own psychological projection.

  30. The Torah (OT 1-5) is the most pornographic ancient book ever written. It is the Penthouse of ancient times.

    Anyone could publish anything! Disgusting… If only Google, Facebook and Amazon were available at that time!

  31. @Father O'Hara

    Liar. Ezekiel ends with verse 27. There is no Ezekiel 3:35.

  32. Al Liguori says: • Website

    “…homosexual – an abomination against God in the eyes of the religious …” but not for religious Jews. We see yet another case of Jewish exceptionalism—the rabbis once again have “defeated” God (Bava Metzia 59b).***

    God says: “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, because it is an abomination.” Leviticus 18:22 …but the megalomaniacal rabbis overrule God excusing “unwitting” sodomy (Sanhedrin 54a) as if such an unnatural act could be accidental. Read a bit further in the same tractate and the rabbis overrule God excusing pederasty:

    “If a boy under the age of nine perpetrated sodomy upon an adult, the adult is not liable for punishment, for the intercourse of a boy under nine years of age is not legally an act of intercourse. Since a child less than nine years old cannot commit sodomy, he can also not be the object of sodomy….This Baraita supports Rav, for it teaches that if a man engaged in homosexual intercourse with a child under the age of nine, he is exempt from liability.”
    Sanhedrin 54b

    ***God smiled and said: ‘My sons have defeated Me, My sons have defeated Me!’ God’s sons ‘defeated him’ with their arguments. Rabbi Yehoshua was correct in his contention that a view confirmed by majority vote must be accepted, even where God Himself holds the opposite view.”
    Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Bava Metzia 59b, Steinsaltz Edition [NY: Random House 1990], Vol. III p.237

    The Koliner rebbe [17th century rabbi of Prague] stated, “Our Zaddikim’s (famous Orthodox rabbis) words are more important than the Torah of Moses. As our Sages teach: A Zaddik decrees, and God obeys.”

    “The [Pharisaic-Rabbinic] schools believed that in heaven God and the angels studied Torah [i.e., Talmud/Kabbalah] just as the rabbis did on earth. God donned phylacteries like a rabbi. He prayed in rabbinic mode … He guided the affairs of the world according to the rules of the Torah, like the rabbi in his court. One exegesis of the Creation-legend taught that God had looked into the Torah and therefrom had created the world. Moreover, heaven was aware above of what the rabbis in particular thought, said, and did below. The myth of the Torah was multi-dimensional. It included the striking detail that whenever the most recent rabbi was destined to discover through proper exegesis of the tradition was as much of a part of the way revealed to Moses as was a sentence of Scripture itself. It was therefore possible to participate in the giving of the law, as it were, by appropriate, logical inquiry into the law. God himself, studying and living by Torah, was believed to subject himself to these same rules of logical inquiry, so if an earthly court overruled the testimony, delivered through some natural miracles, of the heavenly one, God would rejoice, crying out, ‘My sons have conquered me! My sons have conquered me!’
    Rabbi Jacob Neusner, “The Phenomenon of the Rabbi in Late Antiquity: II The Ritual of ‘Being a Rabbi’ in Later Sasanian Babylonia,” Numen, Vol.17, Fasc. 1., Feb., 1970, pp.3-4

    At Berakhot 31b/32a, the “Torah” blames God for Israel’s apostasy.

    • Replies: @anon
  33. @Fran Taubman

    All religions have good and bad, why focus solely on Judaism?

    Fran’s pretense of innocence ironically epitomizes that the most self-obsessed tribe is also the tribe least inclined to self-reflection… as if antisemitic “focus” arose in a vacuum and has nothing to do with Judaism’s Master Race creed or Jewish behavior. Of course, Fran is feigning her obliviousness; she has been thoroughly schooled in the “why” here: http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-war-criminals-in-their-own-words/

    That defect alone is enough to discredit the self-vaunted “genius” claimed by the tribe. Promulgating Jewish supremacism, instigating gentile-against-gentile wars, fomenting revolutions, suborning heresies, undermining Christian society, false flags, big lies, inflicting multiculturalism, and perpetrating vice, ritual murder, genocide, slavery and economic crimes against humanity, including usury, fractional reserve banking, swindling, and tax farming have consequences. The perpetual pose of Jews as innocent victims is a fraud. Are there innocents among the Jews? Initially, many! But those innocents, in shielding the guilty, have made themselves accomplices of the guilty, over the millennia earning the expulsion of Jews from hundreds of nations, principalities, and city-states.

  34. Talha says:

    there will be a similar march in the heart of Jerusalem, an event impossible to conceive of in an Arab country or in Iran

    And may it remain impossible until the Day of Judgement. Why is this Rabbi virtue signaling about a gay pride parade in the middle of the holy city of her?

    Is that how it is; Israel, the one proud bastion of the Poz in all the Middle East?

    Peace.

    • Agree: Druid
    • Replies: @Moi
    , @Poco
  35. @Fran Taubman

    All religions have good and bad, why focus solely on Judaism?

    Who’s focusing solely on Judaism? And if the author of the piece chooses to do that, what’s the big deal? He obviously intended to write an article, not an encyclopedia.

  36. David says:
    @Houston Texican

    Gosh, though, he had me up to “thou hath.”

  37. Moi says:
    @Rational

    I guess they are just over-sexed, horny mofos 🙂

  38. @Fran Taubman

    Because it’s generations overdue, and all such inquiry has been defamed as “hate” and “bigotry” since the Chosen started their Long March Through the Institutions a century ago.

  39. David was warrior whose life was one of blood and sweat and toil, of homelessness, being harried from place to place, living amidst rocks and caves, enduring the malice of Saul whom he once honored as a king and a father, putting down the rebellion of his own beloved son Absalom, of seeing his whole nation and people punished for his own personal sins. David was a man of great faith who, despite a few horrible and well documented mistakes, loved God and tried his best to honor Him in all things. It was through David’s faith that God affected His covenant with the Hebrews that would, in the fullness of time, produce Jesus Christ.

    The idea of David as some kind of gay icon is too ridiculous to be taken seriously. Almost as ridiculous as the state of Israel demanding to be seen as a gay-friendly place while rampaging, nihilistic homosexuals get accused of “antisemitism.”

    • Replies: @AaronB
    , @Fuerchtegott
  40. Moi says:
    @Talha

    I second that, bro. I would sadden me to see Islam go down the same path of Judaism and Christianity who’ve come to embrace the lgbtqi nonsense. I don’t hate anyone to whom those letters apply, but please don’t tell me that is normal.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
  41. So-king David as a new gay icon…..

    Do I hear murmur from Judy Garland, Marlene Dietrich, Marlon Brando, Dusty Springfield, Saint Sebastian, Cher, ….: Welcome, Dave !

  42. @freedom-cat

    The only way forward is the principle of natural law.

    • Agree: Ilyana_Rozumova
  43. 2 Kings 1

    26 Doleo super te, frater mi Jonatha, decore nimis, et amabilis super amorem mulierum. Sicut mater unicum amat filium suum, ita ego te diligebam.

    26 I grieve for thee, my brother Jonathan: exceeding beautiful, and amiable to me above the love of women. As the mother loveth her only son, so did I love thee.

    26 Shall I not mourn for thee, Jonathan my brother, so beautiful, so well beloved, beyond all love of women? Never woman loved her only son, as I thee.

    He is not speaking of sodomy but the ardor of his love for him.

    It is interesting that the author doe not believe one word of the Old Testament but does believe the pornographic propaganda of some pervert

    • Replies: @AaronB
  44. goy pride says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Judaism is the only religion that has the divine right to enslave all nations (goyim) of the world in the name of a promise made by their jealous god Yahweh. The promised land is theirs to inhabit and from there to rule over the rest of the promised world.

  45. Poco says:
    @Talha

    My thoughts exactly.

  46. https://russia-insider.com/en/self-destructive-trajectory-overly-successful-empires/ri27252
    Most acute theme to be thoroughly analyzed.
    The noted article does not even scratch the surface,

  47. anonymous[151] • Disclaimer says:
    @freedom-cat

    Where do we go from here? Back to Paganism & Mythology,

    Back to…?!

    That sounds silly, when one considers that the West is already ensconced in the cursed clutches of Paganism, and its associated Mythologies.

    What is Pagan Polytheist Mangods-worship of their current faith, but Paganism? What will the West gain by substituting the “Father/Son,” with “Zeus” or… ? The latter was perhaps the inspiration for the former.

    Next, what is all religion related history, but a form of “Mythology”? I say “a form of,” because for those who believe in it, it may be the Truth, for all others, it is simply nonsensical Falsehoods.

    So, where does the spiritually poor westerner go from here? They find themselves in a religious cul-de-sac… and round and round they go. For those blinkered by Whitey Supremacism, it is the only way.

  48. Talha says:
    @Moi

    It will be a hard struggle. Our Ummah is susceptible particularly to pathologies that infect Jews and Christians first:
    “Verily, you will follow the path of those before you, step by step and inch by inch; if they entered the hole of a lizard, you would follow.” We said, “O Messenger of Allah, do you mean the Jews and Christians?” The Prophet said, “Who else?” – reported in Bukhari and Muslim

    So we will definitely lose a good number in this fight. But fight we must.

    Wa salaam.

  49. trosds says:

    Are you sure you’re not qualified? Might you be like me, a lesbian trapped in a male body ?

  50. AaronB says:
    @Fran Taubman

    That’s the editorial line of unz.com – that Jews are uniquely evil and Judaism the worst religion in the world

    Which, oddly, somehow, gave birth to the entire religious tradition of the Western half the of the world. Apparently this utterly materialistic pile of pure malice somehow inspired the entire spiritual tradition of half the world.

    Anyways, I wouldn’t take it too seriously. People here are also incredibly vicious to Islam, although less so, and some hate Christianity as well.

    Jews have a message to mankind that is uniquely offensive – man must elevate himself, become spiritual, and connect to God, not just wallow in the filth like an animal.

    But mankind wants to wallow in filth – you ever hear the line “what, you think you’re better than me”? spoken to anyone who tries to better himself or live with dignity. Instead of joining him, they try and tear him down.

    That is the way of men – Jews are meant to be hated.

  51. AaronB says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Beautiful description of one of the most moving figures in the OT.

    Didn’t David lust after the wife of one of his captains who he sent to the front to die?

    The gay thing isn’t serious.

  52. AaronB says:
    @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque

    The obvious interpretation of dearer to me than the love of women is that David’s love for Jonathan was precisely not of a sexual nature – the phrase specifically repudiates sexual love.

    And the next phrase compares it to maternal love, not sexual, making that even clearer.

    And David’s life provides context – several incidents of love of women described.

    • Replies: @Talha
  53. Talha says:
    @Moi

    You might like this account on Twitter as is comically details the foolish and contradictory stances of Muslims that embrace this “woke” nonsense on the slide down:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/MuslimSafeSpace/status/1132991838883913730

    Wa salaam.

  54. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @AaronB

    “…that Jews are uniquely evil and Judaism the worst religion in the world” Yes, uniquely evil and the worst religion. Quite a defensible premise, as the case is made here in nearly a hundred topics: http://judaism.is

    “Which, oddly, somehow, gave birth to the entire religious tradition of the Western half the of the world.” No. Judaism is in the lineage of Pharisaism, damned by Christ as anti-Biblical “traditions of men” (Mark 7:8-9). Christianity is NOT derivative of Pharisaism, Talmud, Kabbala, or Zionism. It is the Synagogue of Satan that is derivative of Pharisaism. Many Judaic proof texts available here: http://judaism.is/torah.html#antibiblical One of them here:

    “The complex of rabbinically ordained practices … including most of the rules for the treatment of Scripture itself–do not derive from Scripture at all. Rabbinic Judaism’s initial concern was with the elaboration and refinement of it’s own system. Attaching the system to scripture was secondary. It therefore is misleading to depict rabbinic Judaism primarily as a consequence of an exegetical process or the organic unfolding of Scripture. Rather, rabbinic Judaism began as the work of a small, ambitious, and homogeneous group of pseudo-priests …By the third century (A.D.) the rabbis expressed their self-conception in the ideology of “oral Torah” which held that a comprehensive body of teachings and practices (halachot) not included in Scripture had been given by God and through Moses only to the rabbinic establishment.”
    Rabbi Jacob Nuesner, Rabbinic Judaism: Structure and System, pp. 31-34

    “Jews have a message to mankind that is uniquely offensive – man must elevate himself, become spiritual, and connect to God, not just wallow in the filth like an animal.” “Elevate himself,” yes, but elevating himself above God; the message of Judaism is not connection to God, but “defeating,” “commanding,” and “confusing” God. Numerous proof texts here: http://judaism.is/torah.html#megalomania

    “Jews are meant to be hated.” No, the people are not meant to be hated; Talmudic Judaism and the malevolent behavior it inspires is meant to be hated with Satan and his synagogue. Jewish malevolence has earned expulsions from hundreds of jurisdictions, but the Jews always blame “the other guy.” Clueless perfidious Jews.

    • Agree: Nehlen
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  55. Talha says:
    @AaronB

    The obvious interpretation

    In post-Freudian hermeneutics, everything is interpreted in some sort of sexual manner, preferably one that connotes a hidden ancient incarnation of the Poz.

    Peace.

    • Agree: AaronB
  56. @Intelligent Dasein

    Intelligentes Dasein klänge, nun ja, intelligenter.

  57. @AaronB

    That is the way of men – Jews are meant to be hated.

    Wow, so no matter how egregious the behavior of some Jew, he can always claim he is hated not for anything he did, but because of his message to mankind to stop wallowing in filth and be superior like he.

    It is hard to believe there are really people on the planet like this–either extremely irresponsible or extremely clueless–but utterly objectionable.

  58. @Dave from Oz

    “ erected ‘altars’ to Jehovah. The word is a mistranslation, they were not altars, they were ‘mazzeboths’ – columns of stone, symbolic phalluses.

    “erected” is one hell of a clue!

    “they were symbolic of human order and safety being extended against the chaos and danger of nature.”

    So, “they paved paradise and put up a parking lot.”

    I now see that much of the world’s concrete application and Jews preference for high population density areas for existence is fear based—as it should be.

  59. A dyke can be emasculated too; just shave away her fuzz mustache or take away her strap-on harness with dildo attachment, though these approaches are less deleterious than amputating a male’s foreskin. Note that in the depiction of David at the top of this essay – that image of the huge sculpture in Florence by Michelangelo – the tip of his centerpiece remains intact.

  60. Nehlen says:
    @anonymous

    Not sure where you got that “translation,” but for those who believe, our text reads:

    I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Rev 22:16

    It’s the Lord’s dominion.

    While David was anointed King, he was not to build the temple, because of his multitude failures.

    Jesus Christ’s miracles are documented not just in the NT, but also in The Talmud (of course portrayed as witchcraft) and in Roman writings.

    I’m at peace with the debauchery of the antichrists because I know their fate was sealed by Jesus Christ the Messiah on the cross.

    • Replies: @anon
  61. @Houston Texican

    I checked too. It could be part of an experiment to see what it takes for a meme to take off even when fake. It needs a bit of polishing though to reach the standard of those variously attributed to Amschel and to Nathan Rothschild about controlling the money supply.

  62. @Al Liguori

    Whatever evil you claim rabbinic Judaism is to scripture (what ever that is) and you hatred of Pharisaism, you need to know that Catholicism is far far worse, more duplicitous and fake than any thing those silly Rabbis thought of.
    Catholicism is more foreign t the teachings of Christ than anything Judaism could come up with,
    whatever the Pharisees thought, Jesus was fulfilling the prophesies of the OT: That would be the Jewish OT.
    Catholicism a Roman concoction of fake Jesus stuff with a complete Pagan twist to morph into all the existing Roman god system at the time, and talk about fake priests, those Catholic Priest and their silly hats imitating the Jewish Priest from temple times.
    I would take Judaism any day over that pagan and all of the pedophilia that goes along with it.
    Completely and utterly diametrically opposed to the teachings of Christ.
    Don’t Al show me those stupid memes with the satan crap. Honestly you are the most insecure person on the planet to have to tear down something to prove you are the best, a completely anti christian ideology. Christ would condemn you outright and would feel most at home in an Orthodox Jewish Shul if he were around today.
    You are not what he meant man to be a hateful spiteful person.

  63. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    As usual from you, lots of hasbara, NO EVIDENCE.

    An especially deceitful claim from you: “Jesus was fulfilling the prophesies of the OT: That would be the Jewish OT.” You are trying to equate the genuine Old Testament, with the Masoretic “Hebrew Bible,” a bowdlerized fraud. http://judaism.is/hebrew-bible.html

    Having no evidence, you resort to the usual ploys of the Synagogue of Satan: changing the subject, unsupported claims, outright lies, and personal attacks.

    The irony of your pedophilia attack is lost on you— Catholic pederasts sin mortally against Catholic teaching, while Jewish pederasts are encouraged by your fake “Torah.” http://judaism.is/perversion.html

    An example is your mezizah b’peh, fellatio at the bris that kills infants from disseminated Herpes and Herpes encephalitis.

    • LOL: Fran Taubman
  64. anon[152] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nehlen

    You Jew-worshipers are stupid. “Morning Star” is translated as Lucifer in the Latin Vulgate — when it it is convenient to do so, such as in Ezekiel, but not in Revelation. Dishonest at best. The debauchery is all yours, Jew-worshiper.

    • Replies: @Nehlen
  65. @Fran Taubman

    This one is a real howler: “Christ would condemn you outright and would feel most at home in an Orthodox Jewish Shul if he were around today.”

    So, speaking for Jesus Christ, you insist He would “feel at home” among such people as these?

    [MORE]

    accused by Moses John 5:45-47
    adversaries to all men I Thessalonians 2:14
    agents of the devil John 8:44
    blind Matthew 23:26
    blind guides Matthew 23:16, 17, 19, 24
    children of Hell Matthew 23:15
    children of the devil John 8:44
    crucifiers Matthew 23:34
    dangerous leaven Matthew 16:6-12; Mark 8:15; Luke 12:1
    defectors Matthew 15:6; Mark 7:9, 13; John 5:45, 46, 47
    deicides I Thessalonians 2:14-15
    dogs Matthew 7:6; Apocalypse 22:16
    enemies of the Gospel Romans 11:28
    foolish Matthew 23:17
    full of dead men’s bones Matthew 23:27
    haters of God John 15:24,25
    hypocrites Matthew 6:2, 5; 15:7; 22:18; 23:13, 14, 15, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29; Mark 7:6; Luke 13:15
    idolaters Apocalypse 22:16
    iniquitous Matthew 23:28
    killers of the just Matthew 23:35
    killers of the prophets Matthew 23:37; Luke 11:47; I Thessalonians 2:14-15
    liars John 8:44, 55; Apocalypse 3:9, 22:16
    murderers Matthew 23:31; Apocalypse 22:15
    offspring of vipers Luke 3:7
    purveyors of fables Titus 1:13-14
    reject the Word of God Acts 13:46
    serpents Matthew 23:33
    sorcerers Apocalypse 22:16
    swine Matthew 7:6
    synagogue of Satan Apocalypse 2:9, 3:9
    transgress the commandment of God for their own tradition Matthew 15:3
    unchaste Apocalypse 22:16
    unclean Matthew 23:25
    vipers Matthew 3:7; 12:34; 23:33
    void the commandments of God for the traditions of men Mark 7:8-13, Matthew 15:6
    whited sepulchers Matthew 23:27

    Interesting assertion on your part, since Jesus Christ Himself pronounced judgment upon them:

    axe laid to the root Matthew 3:10
    broken off Romans 11:17-20
    cast into the fire Matthew 3:10; 7:19; Luke 3:9
    condemned Mark 16:16
    cut down Matthew 3:10
    in vain do they worship me Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7
    judgment of Hell Matthew 23:33
    shall be broken Matthew 21:44
    shall be ground into powder Matthew 21:44
    the kingdom of God shall be taken from them Matthew 21:43
    woe Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 16, 23, 25, 27; Luke 11:42, 43, 44, 46, 47, 52
    wrath Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; 21:23; John 3:36; Romans 2:5; I Thessalonians 2:16
    their house shall be left desolate Matthew 23:38
    they do not enter the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 23:13

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @anon
  66. paranoidgoy says: • Website

    Hmm, yah, interesting take. One thing, though: Ancient Israelite symbology included things like the five-pointed star, and the Sun Wheel, in varying forms, today called the Swastika. The Moggin Dovid, the six-pointed star, has never been found amongst the old Jews, whereas the beloved symbol of the Jewish actually first appear as the corporate sign of Amschel Mayer, a gold star on a red shield, badge of Haus Rothschild, a jeweler in Bavaria around 16-1700…ish.
    Just saying.

  67. @Al Liguori

    New testament man made authors, I never heard Christ say anything other then:
    The meek shall inherit the earth.
    Turn the other check.
    Love is what religion is all about. You missed that one AL
    No man made BS is going to convince me where I belong.
    Jesus last supper was as a Rabbi over a Passover seder.
    Get lost Al you are so boring with your list after list.
    Hatred never gets anyone anywhere a completely useless emotion that feeds and stokes evil
    Which is what you and your Pedophilia priests are about. Pagan Catholics worshiping trinity roman gods.

    ALL HATE = EVIL.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  68. @Al Liguori

    AL you are so funny try stand up.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  69. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Al Liguori

    Jewsus was a popular Rabbi in the Synagogues with the Jews, as depicted in Luke 4:15. Funny that you conveniently left out that fact.

  70. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Al Liguori

    People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. As Philippians 3:3 states, “For it is we Christcucks who are the Circumcision.”

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  71. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Al Liguori

    Speaking of pederasty, Rabbi Jewsus carried on with his Beloved boy toy like a San Francisco flamer in John 13:23-25. Note that in early Christian art, Jesus is to John the Beloved what Zeus was to Ganymede.

    And so did Paul, who wrote a ribald innuendo, using a play on words about how useful a slave-boy named Useful was to both himself and his Master He-Who-Kisses (i.e., Philemon).

    That Jew Testament has all the sick garbage the Old Testament and Talmud contains, although the Jew-worshiping Christcucks try to cover it up.

  72. Nehlen says:
    @anon

    Calling orthodox Christians “Jew Worshipers” might give you some sense of gratification, but you’re just showing your ignorance.

    The New Testament was written in Greek, not Latin.

    Your backyard mechanic diagnostics of my religion is fooling exactly nobody.

    • Replies: @anon
  73. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Fran declared that she is one of Chabad’s “modern on the outside, Chabad on the inside” deceivers: comment #337 at http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/israels-war-criminals-in-their-own-words/ Understand the significance of that confession. We are at war. Do not be deceived.

    To understand the lethal malevolence of Chabad, it is essential to understand:
    (1) the virulence of Chabad’s Jewish supremacism, “Only Jews are human” • “Kill even the best of the Gentiles”
    See: Who is human? Who is not? http://judaism.is/who-is-human.html
    (2) the intensity of their “be Chabad on the inside” deceit, concealing their true intentions from non-Jews,
    See: Modern on the Outside and Chabad on the Inside by Rabbi Shlomo Riskin
    https://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/1130019/jewish/Modern-on-the-Outside-and-Chabad-on-the-Inside.htm
    (3) especially in their promotion of the “Seven (actually 620) Noahide Laws” for Gentiles, a Jewish version of Islamic dhimmitude, global gentile slavery under the talmudic slavemasters.
    See: Noahide Deceit http://judaism.is/noahide-deceit.html

    “The Rebbe said to me, “I want you to know that in every battle there are certain people who have to dress up like the enemy, and they have to go into the enemy’s territory, and their own co-religionists will think that they are turncoats; that they’ve become rebels, but without those people the battle can’t be won, and you [Rabbi Shlomo Riskin] will win the war … you must produce shluchim [agents] for the entire world who are modern on the outside and Chabad on the inside.’”
    ‘Noahide’ Proselytizing Rabbi Riskin: “The Lubavitcher Rebbe said to me …” by Maurice Pinay, March 6-7, 2012 https://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2012/03/noahide-proselytizing-rabbi-riskin.html

    In this video Adam Green has assembled video and print evidence of Chabad and especially Chabad’s founder and erstwhile “Messiah” Rabbi Mendel Schneerson candidly exhorting Chabad’s Jewish supremacism, strategy to enslave the world with Noahidism, and the necessity of using deceit and concealment to accomplish their global Jewish kingdom.

  74. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    No man made BS is going to convince me where I belong.

    Your “Torah” is entirely man-made. http://judaism.is/torah.html Of course, you hate “list after list” of irrefutable evidence against Judaism and Jews.

    Jesus last supper was as a Rabbi over a Passover seder.

    It was not a talmudic seder. No decent person believes Jesus Christ of the Beatitudes called down the talmudic hate feast’s liturgical “Passover” curse on Gentiles—“Pour Out Thy Wrath…” (Shefokh hamatkha).

    ALL HATE = EVIL.

    “Only Jews are human.” “Kill even the best of Gentiles.” “Pour Out Thy Wrath…” etc. Judaism is hate. Judaism is evil. Chabad is hate. Chabad is evil. And we Christians are right to HATE EVIL. Jewish pedophilia is evil.

  75. @anon

    Hatred of any religion is antithetical to God and Allah, it is up to the divine to judge and give out punishment, not man, to decide or deride an religion.

    Hatred + Judgement= Evil
    Every religion based on the divine being agrees.
    Shut the fuck up Al you are not a divine being, you are not here to judge and condemn me, antithetical to Christs and Gods teachings.
    Learn your bible

    • Troll: Al Liguori
    • Replies: @anon
    , @Art
  76. Hey, Fran. GOD keeps “list after list.”

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  77. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Nehlen

    Did you know that the Jewish Rabbi Jewsus is worshiped; and furthermore, that John 4:22 states “We worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews“?

    Did you know that the Latin Vulgate is the origin of the term Lucifer?

    You’re fooling nobody but yourself.

  78. anon[381] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Fran: “Hatred of any religion is antithetical to God…Learn your bible”
    Deuteronomy 16:22 “You shall not set up for yourself a sacred pillar which the LORD your God hates.”

    Perhaps you should avail yourself of your own advice, nitwit.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  79. @Al Liguori

    We have been over this time and time again, you are evil, no god wants you to judge or harm another human based on your lying pernicious view.
    Keep your stupid lists to your self.
    I can tell you everything you say and write, look in the mirror. You have forsaken everything that Christ and God almighty stand for.
    Hate is not Gods way or Jesus’s way. You are an abomination to everything good in the world.
    You are evil incarnate and satanic to the core. Everything separating us from animals is out intellect to avoid hating and killing one another for our differences.
    Religion all religions to a nut shell are about love and being closer to god and separating from animals and animal instincts like yours. You by all you post are an animal antithetical to the goodness of the divine, which in essence means to love.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
    , @Al Liguori
  80. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @anon

    Fran is an admitted Chabadnik, hence a Jewish Supremacist sent among us to deceive us. Look at her word salad, random and unsupported claims, gratuitous protestations of her and Judaism’s innocence and virtues. Even her use of “Allah” is a deceit, as though any professed Jew would refer to God as “Allah” for any purpose other than misdirection. Schneerson the “Messiah” sent his shluchim (agents) among us to seduce goyim to submit to the 620 Noahide Laws. In the video I posted above you can see and hear Schneerson lay out his plan of deceit and conquest.

    Of course, Fran has no evidence to defend Judaism, Jews, and especially Chabad, so she must rely on changing the subject, personal attacks, and bold lies. So (((stereotypical))). Their game is to pretend to be enlightened smarmy humanitarians saying sweet things about “repairing the world (because God did a lousy job with His Creation),” tikkun olam, for the benefit of mankind—the problem? “Mankind” refers only to Jews.

    Rabbi says kill non Jews who refuse to follow Jewish laws,Rabbi Yisrael Ariel, Jerusalem, September 9, 2015

  81. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    …you are evil…about love and being closer to god and separating from animals and animal instincts like yours. You by all you post are an animal…

    As if “Only Jews are human” and “Kill even the best of the Gentiles” is “about love and being closer to god”? You are exactly as Jesus Christ said at least 14 times: Hypocrites! (Matthew 6:2, 5; 15:7; 22:18; 23:13, 14, 15, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29; Mark 7:6; Luke 13:15)

    Your mask of “love” has failed. You are from Chabad, the most malevolent of Jewish sects, a sect that irrefutably advocates all that you gratuitously deny. This is how Chabad “separates from animals”—Jews are human, goyim are animals. You are a deceiver. You cannot refute the verbatim quotes from Chabad, so you do the Jewish thing—name-calling, distraction, and playing victim. You are a perpetrator, not a victim.

    More on Fran’s religion of “love”: http://judaism.is/chabad-and-aipac.html

  82. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    One of the funniest things about your “defense” of Judaism, Fran, is what your own religion teaches about you, a woman. http://judaism.is/torah-on-women.html

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  83. @Al Liguori

    Your a sack of shit Al. Nothing you write is correct or true. I am a Jewish woman with nothing of the hate you have in yours to write such untrue filth.
    You are nothing but a burning ember of hate. Hate filled thru and thru.
    You twist and contort and all you have to talk to with your silly memes is me, no one checks into your website or responds to me like you.
    You are alone in your hate filled world. It must be so lonely with all your hate, a liar and thief of goodness, which you feel compelled to tear apart, a true evil soul to write such filth and lies.
    You are death warmed over and over.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
    , @Colin Wright
  84. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    As if a galaxy of your name-calling changes one yod in your man-made, satan-inspired “Torah”?

    For the synagogue of Satan, “Only Jews are human” and “Kill even the best of the Gentiles” is “love,” but documenting the passages is “hate.”

  85. Art says:
    @AaronB

    Jews have a message to mankind that is uniquely offensive – man must elevate himself, become spiritual, and connect to God, not just wallow in the filth like an animal.

    That is total crap – Jews murdered the man who set mankind on the path of idealism. They hated his message kindness – and they still do.

    This is the new big lie being told by the Jews these days. “Jews are responsible for all the good in the world.”

    All one has to do is view the downfall of America and observe the evil being put on the Palestinians by the Jews – to see the big lie.

    “We the People – in order to form a more perfect union” had nothing to do with Jews – but today they are busy destroying it. Clearly our democracy is not functioning any longer – thank the Jews.

    Do No Harm — Art

  86. Art says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Hatred of any religion is antithetical to God and Allah, it is up to the divine to judge and give out punishment, not man, to decide or deride an religion.

    Frannie – you are so full of BS – you do not believe that – your lying – you Jews have been trashing Muslims for the last 70 years.

    How can you write crap like that – you insult us with that garbage.

    Do No Harm — Art

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  87. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Your a sack of shit Al. Nothing you write is correct or true. I am a Jewish woman with nothing of the hate you have in yours to write such untrue filth.
    You are nothing but a burning ember of hate. Hate filled thru and thru.
    You twist and contort and all you have to talk to with your silly memes is me, no one checks into your website or responds to me like you.
    You are alone in your hate filled world. It must be so lonely with all your hate, a liar and thief of goodness, which you feel compelled to tear apart, a true evil soul to write such filth and lies.
    You are death warmed over and over.’

    I take it his quotations are accurate, then?

    • Replies: @Talha
  88. Nothing you write is correct or true.

    Shame on you Collin, no respectable or normal Catholic or Christian person would speak about Jews, or any other faith like that.
    It is so sick as do not warrant a response, which for whatever reason I continue to do, probably because (if you look at his website) is the most shocking hate speech I have ever seen. I showed it to the archdiocese here in Long Island, which is next to the Chabad, we share a parking lot, so that they can be aware of the web site, they are doing everything to try and get it shut down, they are upset to be represented as a Catholic like that.
    The fact that you would engage about what he posts says a lot. If that is what you think of the Jews and Judaism, when I have on many many occasions showed how his biblical quotes are completely out of context, completely out of context.
    There are 15 million Jews in the world, and I am proud to be one of them. The catholic church and our Chabad share a lot of happy community times together.

  89. Al LIguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    …no respectable or normal Catholic or Christian person would speak about Jews, or any other faith like that.…

    Oh really? Here is a sample of what Popes, Saints, and Doctors of the Church have said about Jews and Judaism. Feel free to remind the so-called Archdiocese of Long Island.

    Doctors of the Church

    St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori The Passion and Death of Jesus Christ, page 444: “Poor Jews! You invoked a dreadful curse upon your own heads in saying: ‘His blood be upon us and our children’; and that curse, miserable race, you carry upon you to this day, and to the End of Time you shall endure the chastisement of that innocent blood.”

    [MORE]

    St. Jerome, Epist. 151, ad Algasiam, question II: “The Jews, after having despised the truth in person, will receive lies in receiving the Antichrist.”

    St. Ambrose, Sermo 37, The Two Ships: “The faithlessness of the Synagogue is an insult to the Savior. Therefore He chose the barque of Peter, and deserted that of Moses; that is, He rejected the faithless Synagogue, and adopts the believing Church.”

    St. Ambrose, in The Great Commentary of Cornelius a Lapide, Vol. 3, page 311: “O Jewish hearts, harder than rocks!”

    St. Ambrose, Enarratio on Psalms XLIII: “This shows that the Jews, who did not want to believe in Jesus Christ, will believe in the Antichrist.”

    St. Bernard of Clairvaux, Letter #363: “The Jews must not be persecuted or chased like beasts….They are living signs that remind us of the Passion of our Lord. Besides, they are scattered through the world so that, while they pay for such a crime, they can be the witnesses of our redemption.”

    St. Bernard of Clairvaux, SS: “O intelligence coarse, dense, and cow-like, which did not recognize God even in His own works! Perhaps the Jew will complain that I call his intelligence bovine, but his intelligence is less than bovine: ‘The ox knows his Owner, and the ass knows his Master’s crib, but Israel has not known Me, and My people have not understood’ (Isaias 1:3). You see, O Jew, I am easier on you than your own prophet!”

    St. Cyril of Alexandria: “It has come to pass that the last state of Israel is worse than the first for, as the Savior’s disciples says (II Peter 2:21, 22), it would be better for them not to have known the way of justice than, after they have known it, to turn back from that holy commandment which was delivered to them. For that of the true proverb has happened to them: the dog has returned to his vomit, and the sow that was washed has returned to wallowing in the mire (Proverbs 26:11). And from what they afterwards dared to do, it is plain to see that they have swallowed their vomit and have turned again to wallow in their ancient mire and have lapsed into the errors of Egypt, for the evil spirit has again entered into them, and their last state has become worse than their first.”

    St. Ephrem: “What is your iniquity, O daughter of Jacob, that your chastisement is so severe? You have dishonored the King and the King’s Son, you shameless one, you harlot!”

    St. Gregory Nazianzen: “If anyone does not worship the Crucified One, let him be anathema and numbered among the deicides.”

    St. John Chrysostom, Homily on Romans, 6:12: “Yet surely Paul’s object everywhere is to annul this Law… And with much reason; for it was through a fear and a horror of this that the Jews obstinately opposed grace.”

    St. John Chrysostom, Homily on Galatians, Ch 3: “And so while no one annuls a man’s covenant, the covenant of God after four hundred and thirty years is annulled; for if not that covenant but another instead of it bestows what is promised, then is it set aside, which is most unreasonable” … “How dare Christians have the slightest intercourse with Jews, those most miserable of all men who are lustful, rapacious, greedy, perfidious bandits, pests of the universe! Indeed, an entire day would not suffice to tell of all their huckstering. Are they not inveterate murderers, destroyers, men possessed by the devil? They are impure and impious, and their synagogue is a house of prostitution, a lair of beasts, a place of shame and ridicule, the domicile of the devil, as also the soul of the Jew. As a matter of fact, Jews worship the devil: their rites are criminal and impure; their religion a disease; their synagogue an assembly of crooks, a den of thieves, a cavern of devils, an abyss of perdition. Why are the Jews degenerated? Because of their hateful assassination of Christ. This supreme crime lies at the root of their degradation and their woes. The rejection and dispersion of the Jews was the work of God, not of emperors. It was done by the wrath of God and because of His absolute abandonment of the Jews. Thus the Jews will live under the yoke of slavery without end. God hates the Jews, and on Judgment Day He will say to those who sympathize with them: ‘Depart from Me, for you had intercourse with My murderers!’ Flee, then, from their assemblies, fly from their houses, and, far from venerating the synagogue, hold it in hatred and aversion.”

    St. John Chrysostom, First Homily Adversus Judaeos: “Many, I know, respect the Jews and think that their present way of life is a venerable one. This is why I hasten to uproot and tear out this deadly opinion. I said that the synagogue is no better than a theater and I bring forward a prophet as my witness. Surely the Jews are not more deserving of belief than their prophets. ‘You had a harlot’s brow; you became shameless before all.’ Where a harlot has set herself up, that place is a brothel. But the synagogue is not only a brothel and a theater; it also is a den of robbers and a lodging for wild beasts. Jeremiah said: ‘Your house has become for me the den of a hyena.’ He does not simply say ‘of wild beast,’ but ‘of a filthy wild beast,’ and again: ‘I have abandoned my house, I have cast off my inheritance.’ But when God forsakes a people, what hope of salvation is left? When God forsakes a place, that place becomes the dwelling of demons.”

    St. John Chrysostom, Catena Aurea, Gospel of Matthew, Chapter 27: “Observe here the infatuation of the Jews; their headlong haste, and destructive passions will not let them see what they ought to see, and they curse themselves, saying, ‘His blood be upon us,’ and even entail the curse upon their children. Yet a merciful God did not ratify this sentence, but accepted such of them and of their children as repented; for Paul was of them, and many thousands of those who in Jerusalem believed.”

    St. John Chrysostom, Homily II:
    “…(6) I have spoken these words to you. You will speak them to those Judaizers, and they to their wives. ‘Fortify one another.’ If a catechumen is sick with this disease, let him be kept outside the church doors. If the sick one be a believer and already initiated, let him be driven from the holy table. For not all sins need exhortation and counsel; some sins, of their very nature, demand cure by a quick and sharp excision. The wounds we can tolerate respond to more gentle cures; those which have festered and cannot be cured, those which are feeding on the rest of the body, need cauterization with a point of steel. So is it with sins. Some need long exhortation; others need sharp rebuke.
    “(7) This is why Paul did not enjoin us to exhort in every case but also to rebuke sharply: ‘Wherefore rebuke them sharply.’ Therefore, I will now rebuke them sharply, so that they may accuse themselves and feel shame for what they have done. Then they will never again be hurt by that sinful fast.
    “(8) So I shall put aside exhortation henceforth as I testify and exclaim: ‘If any man does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let a curse be upon him.’ What greater evidence could there be that a man does not love our Lord than when he participates in the festival with those who slew Christ? It was not I who hurled the curse at them, but Paul. Rather, it was not Paul but Christ, who spoke through him and said earlier: ‘Those who are justified in the law have fallen away from grace.’
    “(9) So speak these words to them, read aloud to them these texts. Show all your zeal in saving them. When you have snatched them from the devil’s jaws, bring them to me on the day of the Jewish fast. Then, after I have kept the rest of my promise to you, let us, with one accord and with one voice, join our brothers in giving glory to God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for to Him is glory forever. Amen.”

    St. Augustine, Letters, 74, 4: “Instead of the grace of the law which has passed away, we have received the grace of the gospel which is abiding; and instead of the shadows and types of the old dispensation, the truth has come by Jesus Christ. Jeremiah also prophesied thus in God’s name: ‘Behold, the days come, says the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah…’ Observe what the prophet says, not to Gentiles, who had not been partakers in any former covenant, but to the Jewish nation. He who has given them the law by Moses, promises in place of it the New Covenant of the gospel, that they might no longer live in the oldness of the letter, but in the newness of the spirit.”

    St. Augustine, in The Anguish of the Jews by Fr Edward Flannery, Macmillan, 1954 (cf), and in The Faith of the Early Fathers by Fr Jurgens, Collegeville, 1979: “Judaism, since Christ, is a corruption; indeed, Judas is the image of the Jewish people: their understanding of Scripture is carnal; they bear the guilt for the death of the Savior, for through their fathers they have killed Christ. The Jews held Him; the Jews insulted Him; the Jews bound Him; they crowned Him with thorns and dishonored Him by spitting upon Him; they scourged Him; they heaped abuses on Him; they hung Him upon a tree.”

    St. Augustine, Sermon 91, PL38:567: “Our Lord Jesus Christ referred to Himself as ‘the Stone’ (Mt. 21:44). Lying on the ground, it shakes whoever falls over it; coming from on high, it crushes the proud. The Jews have already been shaken by their previous stumble. What awaits them is to be crushed by His Coming.”

    St. Augustine, “Against the Jews,” PL 42:51: “The Jews wander over the entire earth, their backs bent over and their eyes cast downward, forever calling to our minds the curse they carry with them.”

    St. Basil the Great, “On Prayer,” Sermon IX, PG 32; SS vol.II p.384: “If someone should kill the beloved son of a man, and then stretch forth their hands still stained with blood to the afflicted father, asking for fellowship, would not the blood of his son, visible on the hand of his murderer, provoke him to just anger instead? And such are the prayers of the Jews, for when they stretch forth their hands in prayer, they only remind God the Father of their sin against His Son. And at every stretching-forth of their hands, they only make it obvious that they are stained with the blood of Christ. For they who persevere in their blindness inherit the blood-guilt of their fathers; for they cried out: ‘His blood be upon us, and upon our children’ (Matthew xxvii.25).”

    St. Thomas Aquinas, De Regimine Judaeorum: “It would be licit, according to custom, to hold Jews in perpetual servitude because of their crime.”

    Saints

    Pope St. Pius V, Hebraeorum gens: “The Jewish people fell from the heights because of their faithlessness and condemned their Redeemer to a shameful death. Their godlessness has assumed such forms that, for the salvation of our own people, it becomes necessary to prevent their disease. Besides usury, through which Jews everywhere have sucked dry the property of impoverished Christians, they are accomplices of thieves and robbers; and the most damaging aspect of the matter is that they allure the unsuspecting through magical incantations, superstition, and witchcraft to the Synagogue of Satan and boast of being able to predict the future. We have carefully investigated how this revolting sect abuses the name of Christ and how harmful they are to those whose life is threatened by their deceit. On account of these and other serious matters, and because of the gravity of their crimes which increase day to day more and more, We order that, within 90 days, all Jews in our entire earthly realm of justice — in all towns, districts, and places — must depart these regions.”

    St. Padre Pio, in the Calvary of Padre Pio by Joseph Pagnossin, 1978 Padua, Italy, page 91: “The Jews are enemies of God and foes of our holy religion.”

    St. Gregory of Nyssa: “Jews are slayers of the Lord, murderers of the prophets, enemies and haters of God, adversaries of grace, enemies of their father’s faith, advocates of the devil, a brood of vipers, slanderers, scoffers, men of darkened minds, the leaven of Pharisees, a congregation of demons, sinners, wicked men, haters of goodness!”

    St. Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho, Ch 11: Now, law placed against law has abrogated that which is before it, and a covenant which comes after in like manner has put an end to the previous one; and an eternal and final law – namely, Christ – has been given to us, and the covenant is trustworthy…Have you not read…by Jeremiah, concerning this same new covenant, He thus speaks: ‘Behold, the days come,’ says the Lord, ‘that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah…’”

    St. Justin Martyr, Florilegium Patristicum, Rauschen, 1911: “Those of the seed of Abraham who live according to the Law of Moses and who do not believe in Christ before death shall not be saved; especially they who curse this very Christ in the synagogues; who curse everything by which they might obtain salvation and escape the vengeance of fire.”

    St.Vincent Ferrer, himself a convert from Judaism: “One who dies a Jew will be damned!”

    St. Vincent Ferrer, ACS p.82; “Since His spouse, the Synagogue, refused to receive Him, Christ answered: ‘This is a harlot!’ and gave her a bill of divorce.”

    St. Felix of Toledo, On the Condemnation of the Jews, Council XVII of Toledo, Spain, Canon No. 8: “It is known that the Jewish people are polluted with wickedness, blasphemy, and the shedding of the blood of Jesus Christ so that their wickedness has no limit.”

    St. Barnabas, attributed: “Do not add to your sins by saying that the Covenant is both theirs and ours. Yes, it is ours, but they lost it forever.”

    St. Hippolytus, Against the Jews, God’s condemnation upon the Deicide of Perfidious Judaism is eternal:
    “…5. Listen with understanding, O Jew, to what the Christ says: ‘They gave me gall for my meat; and in my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.’ And these things He did indeed endure from you. Hear the Holy Ghost tell you also what return He made to you for that little portion of vinegar. For the prophet says, as in the person of God, ‘Let their table become a snare and retribution.’ Of what retribution does He speak? Manifestly, of the misery which has now got hold of thee.
    “6. And then hear what follows: ‘Let their eyes be darkened, that they see not.’ And surely ye have been darkened in the eyes of your soul with a darkness utter and everlasting. For now that the true light has arisen, ye wander as in the night, and stumble on places with no roads, and fall headlong, as having forsaken the way that saith, ‘I am the way.” – John xiv. 6. Furthermore, hear this yet more serious word: ‘And their back do thou bend always’; that means, in order that they may be slaves to the nations, not four hundred and thirty years as in Egypt, nor seventy as in Babylon, but bend them to servitude, he says, ‘always.’ In fine, then, how dost thou indulge vain hopes, expecting to be delivered from the misery which holdeth thee? For that is somewhat strange. And not unjustly has he imprecated this blindness of eyes upon thee. But because thou didst cover the eyes of Christ, (and) thus thou didst beat Him, for this reason, too, bend thou thy back for servitude always. And whereas thou didst pour out His blood in indignation, hear what thy recompense shall be: ‘Pour out Thine indignation upon them, and let Thy wrathful anger take hold of them’; and, ‘Let their habitation be desolate,’ to wit, their celebrated temple.
    “7. But why… was the temple made desolate? … but it was because they killed the Son of their Benefactor, for He is coeternal with the Father. Whence He saith, ‘Father, let their temple be made desolate’; Cf. Matt. xxiii. 38. for they have persecuted Him whom Thou didst of Thine own will smite for the salvation of the world; that is, they have persecuted me with a violent and unjust death, ‘and they have added to the pain of my wounds.’ In former time, as the Lover of man, I had pain on account of the straying of the Gentiles; but to this pain they have added another, by going also themselves astray. Wherefore ‘add iniquity to their iniquity, and tribulation to tribulation, and let them not enter into Thy righteousness,’ that is, into Thy kingdom; but ‘let them be blotted out of the book of the living, and not be written with the righteous,’ that is, with their holy fathers and patriarchs.
    “8. What sayest thou to this, O Jew? It is neither Matthew nor Paul that saith these things, but David, thine anointed, who awards and declares these terrible sentences on account of Christ. And like the great Job, addressing you who speak against the righteous and true, he says, ‘Thou didst barter the Christ like a slave, thou didst go to Him like a robber in the garden.’
    “9. I produce now the prophecy of Solomon, which speaketh of Christ, and announces clearly and perspicuously things concerning the Jews; and those which not only are befalling them at the present time, but those, too, which shall befall them in the future age, on account of the contumacy and audacity which they exhibited toward the Prince of Life; for the prophet says, The ungodly said, … about Christ, ‘Let us lie in wait for the righteous, because he is not for our turn, and he is clean contrary to our doings and words, and upbraideth us with our offending the law, and professeth to have knowledge of God; and he calleth himself the Child of God.’ Wisd. ii. 1, 12, 13. And then he says, ‘He is grievous to us even to behold; for his life is not like other men’s, and his ways are of another fashion. We are esteemed of him as counterfeits, and he abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness, and pronounceth the end of the just to be blessed.’- Wisd. ii. 15, 16.”

    St. Agobard, attributed: “Jews are cursed and covered with malediction. The curse has penetrated them like water in their bowels and oil in their bones. They are cursed in the city and cursed in the country, cursed in their coming in and cursed in their going out. Cursed are the fruits of their loins, of their lands, of their flocks; cursed are their cellars, their granaries, their shops, their food, the very crumbs off their tables!”

    Popes

    The Holy See and the Jews, published by the Ligue Franc-Catholique (the League of the French Catholic) at 11 bis, rue Portalis, Paris, France. The League is a lay group of Catholics for patriotic and social defense, founded by Monseigneur Jouin, Apostolic Prothonotary, Cure of St. Augustine parish, Paris in 1913. The magazine was founded March 23, 1918, with the approval of the Holy See. Monseigneur Jouin was a recognized authority on Jewish history and objectives and the necessity for exposing the facts in defense of Christianity. The Vatican formally praised him for this work of enlightenment as far back as June 20, 1919, in a letter signed by Cardinal Gasparri, Papal Secretary of State. Monseigneur Jouin died in 1932.
    http://web.archive.org/web/20020819175303/http://www.endofman.com/False_Religion/holysee.htm

    Pope Gregory IX, “Epistle to the Hierarchy of Germany,” in 1233 A.D., Annales Ecclesiastici, Cardinal Caesar Baronius, ed. August Theiner, 1864, vol.I: “Ungrateful for favors and forgetful of benefits, the Jews return insult for kindness and impious contempt for goodness. They ought to know the yoke of perpetual enslavement because of their guilt. See to it that the perfidious Jews never in the future grow insolent, but that they always suffer publicly the shame of their sin in servile fear.”

    Pope St. Leo the Great, Sermon CLXVIII; BVM vol.II, p.119: “So clearly was the transition then made from the Synagogue to the Church that, when the Lord gave up His soul, the veil of the Temple was rent in two.”

    Pope Innocent IV, Letter to King Louis IX of France, May 9, 1244: “The … Jews … omitting or scorning the Mosaic law and the prophets, follow certain traditions of their seniors concerning which the Lord rebukes them in the Gospel, saying: ‘Why do you transgress the mandate of God and irritate Him by your traditions, teaching human doctrines and mandates?’ [Matthew 15;9] Upon this sort of traditions, which in Hebrew are called the Talmud–and there is a great book among them exceeding the text of the Bible in length, in which are manifest blasphemies against God and Christ and the blessed Virgin, intricate fables, erroneous abuses, and unheard-of stupidities–they nourish and teach their sons and render them utterly alien from the doctrine of the law and the prophets …”

    Pope Pius XII, Mystici Corporis, para. 29: “…the New Testament took the place of the Old Law which had been abolished…but on the gibbet of His death Jesus made void the Law with its decrees fastened the handwriting of the Old Testament to the Cross.”

    Pope Innocent III, “Epistle to the Hierarchy of France,” July 15, 1205, PL 215: “Crucifiers of Christ ought to be held in continual subjection.”

    Pope St. Pius V, Hebraeorum gens: “The Jewish people fell from the heights because of their faithlessness and condemned their Redeemer to a shameful death. Their godlessness has assumed such forms that, for the salvation of our own people, it becomes necessary to prevent their disease. Besides usury, through which Jews everywhere have sucked dry the property of impoverished Christians, they are accomplices of thieves and robbers; and the most damaging aspect of the matter is that they allure the unsuspecting through magical incantations, superstition, and witchcraft to the Synagogue of Satan and boast of being able to predict the future. We have carefully investigated how this revolting sect abuses the name of Christ and how harmful they are to those whose life is threatened by their deceit. On account of these and other serious matters, and because of the gravity of their crimes which increase day to day more and more, We order that, within 90 days, all Jews in our entire earthly realm of justice — in all towns, districts, and places — must depart these regions.”

    Pope Pius VII: “For when the liberty of all ‘religions’ is indiscriminately asserted, by this very fact truth is confounded with error and the holy and immaculate Spouse of Christ, the Church, outside of which there can be no salvation, is set on a par with the sects of heretics and with Judaic perfidy itself.”

    Pope Paul IV, Cum Nimis Absurdum: “Desiring firstly, as much as we can with [the help of] God, to beneficially provide, by this [our decree] that will forever be in force, we ordain that for the rest of time, in the City as well as in other states, territories and domains of the Church of Rome itself, all Jews are to live in only one [quarter] to which there is only one entrance and from which there is but one exit, and if there is not that capacity [in one such quarter, then], in two or three or however many may be enough; [in any case] they should reside entirely side by side in designated streets and be thoroughly separate from the residences of Christians… Moreover, concerning the matter that Jews should be recognizable everywhere: [to this end] men must wear a hat, women, indeed, some other evident sign, yellow in color… Moreover, these Jews are to be limited to the trade of rag-picking, and they cannot trade in grain, barley or any other commodity essential to human welfare.”

    Pope Leo VII, REG. PONTIF., vol.I:3597, Jaffe, Leipzig: 1888: “Let the Gospel be preached to them and, if they remain obstinate, let them be expelled.”

  90. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    I take it his quotations are accurate, then?

    I was skeptical somewhat (knowing that I’ve seen tons of misquotes or outright lies online about Islamic sources) so I decided to look up some of the allegations. It looks like some of them certainly exists in an academic work:
    “God himself, studying and living by Torah, was believed to subject himself to these same rules of logical inquiry, so if an earthly court overruled the testimony, delivered through some natural miracles, of the heavenly one, God would rejoice, crying out, ‘My sons have conquered me! My sons have conquered me!’”
    Talmudic Judaism in Sasanian Babylonia: Essays and Studies

    Don’t have time to track down all of the quotes, but here is a link directly to a translation from the texts:
    https://www.sefaria.org/sheets/144163?lang=bi

    It seems like a massive amount of information, but it is searchable.

    But this is not my religion; I have no clue how much weight is given to these things and if they are considered aberrant or minority opinions or even applicable currently.

    Peace.

  91. Al LIguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    …I have on many many occasions showed how his biblical quotes are completely out of context, completely out of context.…

    You have invoked the familiar “context” ploy, but you have never “shown” how the quotes are invalidated by “context.”

    What “context” exculpates “Only Jews are human” and “Kill even the best of the Gentiles”?

    …the archdiocese here in Long Island which is next to the Chabad

    Two peas in a pod, Pharisees both.

    Archdiocese: http://judaism.is/new-order-of-pharisees.html
    Chabad: http://judaism.is/chabad-and-aipac.html

  92. Al LIguori says: • Website
    @Talha

    When I first heard them, I was so incensed I went down to the Judaica section of our local university library to disprove the quotes and “context” per the standard rabbinical ploy. I was shocked that the quotes were accurate and not exculpated by “context.” These are key quotes. Please do research them.

    “You are called men, but non-Jews are not called men.”
    Bava Metzia 114b

    “…although our Sages declared, ‘Kill even the best of the gentiles,’ and that, as mentioned above, the Rambam [Maimonides] states in Hilchot Melachim 8:10 that any gentile who does not accept the seven universal laws commanded to Noah and his descendants should be slain. These directives, however. can be interpreted to apply only in a time of war or in a time when the Jews have control over the gentiles.” CHABAD—you know, Chabad that is next to the Archdiocese of Long Island.

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  93. @Talha

    ‘…But this is not my religion; I have no clue how much weight is given to these things and if they are considered aberrant or minority opinions or even applicable currently.’

    The gist of it all is that Jews and Christians have been vilifying each other for a long time.

    What can be irritating is that while Christians are called upon to abjure and recant, Jews will insist they never said any such thing.

    It’s not that Jews haven’t been treated badly; it’s this notion that they themselves have been moral exemplars, virtually without sin by comparison.

    …which of course is egregious nonsense. Perhaps the only saving grace of modern Israel is that it should at least teach Jews humility, since there they have involuntarily demonstrated that given the chance, they can be fully as vile as the rest of us. If nothing else, Israel, once and for all, should have discredited the whole virtuous victim schtick.

    …unfortunately, there’s no evidence at all that this lesson has had the desired effect. See how Fran throws a fit when it’s pointed out to her that yes, Jews say and do awful things too, and yes, Israel is indeed a thoroughly repellant place.

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  94. @Talha

    Talha,

    When you were away during Ramadan, I got into several discussions regarding the context of the Talmud and its interpretations, it is explainable, I do not know if I have the patience to go over it again, unless you are really interested.

    This is the main quote on this subject:

    As for: “The best of the gentiles, kill,” the here is very crucial. The question was raised, how could there be any horses chasing after the Jews with chariots (in Exodus 14:7), when they were all killed in the plague of hail (Exodus 9:19). The Midrash (Tanchuma – Beshalach 8) answers that the horses were owned by those who heeded God’s warnings and locked his animals indoors (Exodus 9:20).

    The Midrash concludes that these God-fearing Egyptians — the best Egyptians – turned out to be the ones that gave their horses to chase the Jewish people. In other words, in this particular instance, even the best Egyptians also turned out to be oppressors. So even they – “the best of the gentiles” – were deserving of death.

    The Torah states unequivocally that ALL men were created in the image of God (Genesis 1:27). In fact, the Talmud emphasizes that Adam was created from the dust of all four corners of the earth (so to speak), so that no one nation could claim superiority. And of course, it is forbidden for a Jew to kill a Gentile. (source: Talmud Sanhedrin 57a; “Taz” Y.D. 158:1).

    And finally


    So you see, one can change the meaning of anything by taking it out of context. And better not to waste time refuting these points one by one. God’s Torah is morally perfect, and if something ever sounds otherwise, it is because it is not understood properly

  95. @Talha

    ‘…I’ve seen tons of misquotes or outright lies online about Islamic sources…’

    That’s putting it mildly. Half the reason I keep a copy of the Quran on my bookshelf is that when one of these self-appointed ‘experts’ trots out their little ‘revelation’ from the Quran, I can look it up myself and see what was actually meant.

    It’s truly exasperating, the way these people go to Islamic hate sites and then think they’ve learned all about Islam. It’d be like reading The Protocols to find out all about organized Jewry — or the Talmud to learn about Jesus.

    The Quran’s fairly short. It’s relatively clear and coherent. There are innumerable authoritative translations. If people actually want to know about Islam, it’s right there.

    Since they don’t read it, one can only infer these people don’t want to know. They want to hate.

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  96. Talha says:
    @Al LIguori

    Hmmm…I got to the Chapter 10 section, but how do you get to that additional commentary?:
    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/912369/jewish/Avodat-Kochavim-Chapter-Ten.htm

    Peace.

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  97. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    If nothing else, Israel, once and for all, should have discredited the whole virtuous victim schtick.

    Yup. And so it goes…

    Peace.

  98. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Nothing you write is correct or true.’

    I was going to respond to this — but I can’t find where I said it in the first place.

    Could you point me to it?

  99. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…God’s Torah is morally perfect, and if something ever sounds otherwise, it is because it is not understood properly.’

    The She Bears are presumably relieved.

    In any case, notice how Fran changes the subject from the Talmud to the Torah.

    Whatever one chooses to think about the Torah, the Talmud is a different matter — and does indeed contain much that is quite indefensible to a modern reader, in or out of context.

    This doesn’t unduly excite me. There’s much in Christian theology many modern Christians would just as soon wasn’t there. However, it does annoy me that Fran can’t bring herself to admit the same about Judaism.

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  100. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    It’s truly exasperating, the way these people go to Islamic hate sites and then think they’ve learned all about Islam.

    Indeed. The volume of misinformation is massive. I remember when I first came across WikiIslam. The very first article – there was a complete falsehood within the first paragraph. At that point I was like, do I spend the time playing whack-a-mole with all this nonsense (which is really a method of attrition) or go for the jugular which is to point out to the source of the information.

    There is a very simple point that needs to be kept in mind – first and foremost, these sites are not neutral. Almost always they are Zionist-run or funded or somehow associated with Zionism and/or Israel. It is a massive hasbara operation running character assassination on an entire religion (now don’t get me wrong, our imbecile extremists do us no favors by literally giving these people fuel for the fire). I haven’t run across a single one of these sites that isn’t somehow pro-Israel (if not explicitly funded by pro-Israel organizations) in some way shape or form.

    I was skeptical at first, but the more I dug into it, I could not believe how it is all connected by that one thread.

    The Protocols to find out all about organized Jewry — or the Talmud to learn about Jesus

    Good analogy.

    There are innumerable authoritative translations. If people actually want to know about Islam, it’s right there.

    And there are many works from reputable non-Muslim academic institutions and researchers which are readily accessible and do straight translations of medieval texts as well as analysis.

    Soon, probably within the next decade or so – major works of exegesis are going to be available in English. Tafsir Jalalayn and Ibn Kathir are already done; Qurtubi, Tabari (and hopefully Baydawi) are on their way.

    There are also major reliable fatwa sites where you can look up the answer to a question just like any Muslim would to see what Muslim scholars have to say on a subject.

    one can only infer these people don’t want to know.

    Yup – the only people I really try to reach are those who approach the subject from an academic bent or from genuine curiosity. Haters are going to hate no matter what you do – it’s best not to waste one’s time.

    Peace.

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  101. Talha says:
    @Fran Taubman

    If you want the right to explain the context of certain statements, that is fine, I’m down with that. But then you have to be principled about it and accept it when, say, Muslims provide the interpretation, context and our derived rulings on a particular matter based on our sources – otherwise it is simply hypocrisy to demand one rule for yourself and not for others.

    One thing I have seen from many Zionists is the insistence that others are not granted that same right of interpretive discourse that they demand for themselves.

    Peace.

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  102. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…So you see, one can change the meaning of anything by taking it out of context. And better not to waste time refuting these points one by one. God’s Torah is morally perfect, and if something ever sounds otherwise, it is because it is not understood properly.

    Yes — unfortunately, what you’ve quoted doesn’t respond to what Liguori quoted. That came with all the context one could wish for.

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  103. @Talha

    I am sure you noticed Fran’s approach:

    I showed it to the archdiocese here in Long Island, which is next to the Chabad, we share a parking lot, so that they can be aware of the web site, they are doing everything to try and get it shut down, they are upset to be represented as a Catholic like that.

    As so often happens with even YouTube videos and Facebook posts, when commentary or articles draw unwelcome attention, they are “disappeared,” precisely as Chabad did with that commentary. Having had that happen repeatedly, most of us archive screenshots and webpages. That commentary was archived at. As you may see, that too has been disappeared. No wonder Fran wants judaism.is “shut down.”

    I noticed too that Fran is again trying her “Bronze Age” ploy, a ploy that was completely discredited in an earlier thread by the evidence that the “Kill even the best of Gentiles” is a CONTEMPORARY teaching. Consider, as one of many examples, the furor about the Torat Hamalech:
    The Complete Guide to Killing Non-Jews
    Ma’ariv 09.11.09 (p. 2) by Roi Sharon
    http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART1/964/186.html?hp=1&loc=1&tmp=3416

    CONTEMPORARY examples abound. Among many, see:
    In 2007 Chief Rabbi of Safed and Member of the Israeli Chief Rabbinate Council Shmuel Eliyahu exhorted the killing of women and children: http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=63137 and again in 2017 he insisted on the extermination of Palestinians as a “religious duty” to “get closer to God.”
    http://www.daysofpalestine.com/news/kill-palestinians-get-closer-god-israeli-rabbi-says/
    http://www.alternet.org/world/senior-israeli-rabbi-calls-mass-execution-palestinians

    More evidence here (the site Fran hates and is trying to shut down): http://judaism.is/who-is-human.html

    • Replies: @Talha
  104. @Fran Taubman

    You were previously discredited for your Aish Rabbi “Bronze Age” ploy by the extensive evidence provided that “Kill even the best of Gentiles” is a CONTEMPORARY teaching of CHABAD. You still want to try your Aish Rabbi “Bronze Age” ploy? Millennia removed form the Bronze Age, you’ll notice that 12th Century A.D. Maimonides continued to hold forth on “Kill even the best of the Gentiles.” Note also the 2009 Guide to Killing Non-Jews, Torat Hamalech.

    Maimonides’ exhortation “Kill even the best of the Gentiles” is limited to (1) “in times of war” and (2) “in a time when Jews have control over the Gentiles.” There is nothing in CHABAD’s exposition limiting the genocidal imprecation to Bronze-Age-Egyptians-who-provided-horses-to-the-meanies. I have previously uploaded the Chabad screen shot, so will not re-post it now.

    The Torah states unequivocally that ALL men were created in the image of God …blah, blah, blah.

    As I previously discredited you: The devil is in the details. Because—drum roll—only Jews are men (Bava Metzia 114b posted above), Rabbi Aish’s blather boils down to ALL JEWS were created in the image of God. Numerous references have already been posted by me above and more can be found here: http://judaism.is/who-is-human.html The Jews play the same definition game with “neighbor” as with “men,” so they can cite sweet-sounding Talmud about “neighbors” while concealing Judaism’s definition that excludes Gentiles as “neighbors” (excepting submissive Noahides…until the Noahides can be conveniently dispatched).

  105. Talha says:
    @Al LIguori

    they are doing everything to try and get it shut down

    Yeah this seems as silly to me as Muslims trying to shut down some site for “Islamophobia”.

    Peace.

  106. Al LIguori says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    Regarding “Torah” one must always ask, “Which ‘Torah’?” because, in disputes, Jews will flit from definition to definition, whatever is convenient at the moment. Fran has done this.

    Judaism has at least SIX DEFINITIONS OF “TORAH.” http://judaism.is/torah.html

    (1) “Written Torah” (Torah she bich tav, תורה שבכתב‎ ), what we call the Old Testament, derided by the rabbis as suitable only for women and children, superseded by the “Oral Torah”;
    (2) “Oral Torah” (Torah she beal peh, תורה שבעל פה), even though it was committed to writing in the centuries after Christ, includes the Talmud and even the Kabbalistic books like the Zohar and Sefer Yetzirah. In Judaism, the man-made opinions in the “Oral Torah” supersede the Word of God in the Written Torah;
    (3) Aggadah and Haggadah;
    (4) Responsa, including the latest rabbinical opinions;
    (5) the rabbis themselves; and
    (6) the totemic scroll paraded about in the synagogue.

    Proof texts:

    “… The rabbi constituted the projection of the divine on earth. Honor was due him more than to the scroll of the Torah, for through his learning and logic he might alter the very content of Mosaic revelation. He was Torah [DEFINITION #5], not merely because he lived by it, but because at his best he constituted as compelling an embodiment of the heavenly model as did a Torah scroll itself.” [Rabbi Jacob Neusner, “The Phenomenon of the Rabbi in Late Antiquity: II The Ritual of ‘Being a Rabbi’ in Later Sasanian Babylonia,” Numen, Vol.17, Fasc. 1., Feb., 1970, pp.3-4]

    A sixth definition is the scroll [DEFINITION #6] treated as a totem in the synagogue.

  107. @Talha

    ‘…There is a very simple point that needs to be kept in mind – first and foremost, these sites are not neutral. Almost always they are Zionist-run or funded or somehow associated with Zionism and/or Israel. It is a massive hasbara operation running character assassination on an entire religion …’

    This actually raises a related point.

    Until fairly recently, the American conception of Islam and Islamic peoples was fairly benign; perhaps wildly inaccurate, but benign.

    Arabs were Rudolph Valentino and Lawrence of Arabia. Even as villains, they were decidedly stalwart, upright types. See Lawrence Olivier as the Mahdi in Gordon of Khartoum (well, don’t; it’s really a pretty clunky film.) Arabs were the heroes of the Leftist/Romantic Battle of Algiers. Omar Sharif was Arab. Anthony Quinn was Arab — even if he was Mexican.

    The last example of this genre I can think of was the 1975 film, The Wind and the Lion. Sean Connery was Arab. He carries off Candice Bergen — and treats her honorably, and she falls in love with him. Since then, there seems to have been a determined effort to make Muslims sinister. No more Sheik of the Burning Sands. Rather, it’s the pederast and the white slaver, the terrorist and the coward. It’s really been quite pervasive. Arabs have become villains — and of the most repellant, vile sort. Would you let your daughter go out with a Muslim? Would you let Candice Bergen go out with a Muslim?

    • Replies: @turtle
    , @Talha
  108. @Talha

    ‘they are doing everything to try and get it shut down

    Yeah this seems as silly to me as Muslims trying to shut down some site for “Islamophobia”.

    Peace.

    The difference is that Jews are much more powerful than Muslims.

  109. @AaronB

    ‘…Jews have a message to mankind that is uniquely offensive – man must elevate himself, become spiritual, and connect to God, not just wallow in the filth like an animal.

    But mankind wants to wallow in filth – you ever hear the line “what, you think you’re better than me”? spoken to anyone who tries to better himself or live with dignity. Instead of joining him, they try and tear him down.

    That is the way of men – Jews are meant to be hated.

    So Jews are hated for their spirituality and goodness. You’re sure it’s not their greater intelligence?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  110. @Talha

    Any website that is devoted to objectifying an entire group of people, religion or ethnic group, with hate speech, and I am not alone, there is a huge movement to shut down internet hate speech it is dangerous and promotes violence, against Muslims, Jews, blacks, whites, etc.
    Al’s web site is exactly what he complains about Judaism, he practically screams to kill Jews, by making Jews and Judaism satanic, and refusing to accept interpretations and the reality of who Jews are in the world. He is practicing what he claims Jews do.
    His website is sick, as it helps no one, promotes nothing, and in the end promotes a not so hidden plea to eliminate Jews and Judaism, the method and means he does not pontificate on. Take a guess.
    I do not want to kill gentiles and no one who has taught me wants to kill gentiles, no one I know wants to kill gentiles or dogs or anyone. It is preposterous to repeatedly pounce on this and think that people are not going to fight back.

  111. @Colin Wright

    Yeah Colin if that is your take away from that exchange, you are as hopeless as he is.
    You know just get in there and say oh is what he says true, like I need to defend that I do not want to kill gentiles, or am not satanic. Like what should I say, give examples?
    How does one defend that shit Colin, and you say oh did you refute that?
    There is no rational response to what Liguori quoted none.
    Do you drink children’s blood Colin? Can you prove that you don’t?
    Get a fucking life.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  112. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…I do not want to kill gentiles and no one who has taught me wants to kill gentiles, no one I know wants to kill gentiles or dogs or anyone. It is preposterous to repeatedly pounce on this and think that people are not going to fight back.’

    You are Israel, and Israel is gentle. If we don’t agree, you’ll silence us.

    Well, rightly so. To prevail, lies must go unchallenged.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  113. turtle says:
    @Colin Wright

    Arabs were Rudolph Valentino and Lawrence of Arabia

    T. E. Lawrence was British, not Arab.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._E._Lawrence

  114. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Yeah Colin if that is your take away from that exchange, you are as hopeless as he is.
    You know just get in there and say oh is what he says true, like I need to defend that I do not want to kill gentiles, or am not satanic. Like what should I say, give examples?
    How does one defend that shit Colin, and you say oh did you refute that?
    There is no rational response to what Liguori quoted none.
    Do you drink children’s blood Colin? Can you prove that you don’t?
    Get a fucking life.’

    Your post makes no sense and bears no apparent relationship to what I wrote. Are you drunk?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  115. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Well, I don’t think it can be denied that Jews are hated disproportionately to the behavior of bad Jews.

    Sure, there have always been wicked Jews, but the excuses for hating Jews change throughout the centuries, Jews attract disproportionate attention and malice, and other groups commit similar crimes without attracting the same level of attention.

    You have a good point when you say Jews overplay their victim status and tend to whitewash the wicked among them – which, btw, is the exact opposite of the behavior of the Prophets, who excoriated the wicked Jews.

    And it should be noted the Bible portrays the Jews as exceptionally difficult and prone to moral backsliding, and not at all in a flattering light, to hammer home the lesson that Jews are nothing in themselves, and only as good as the ways of the God they are bound to follow.

    The Germans may have had legitimate grievances against Jews, but their reaction was insanely disproportionate – what did Jews do? Dominate the economy? Practice nepotism? Take advantage of an open economic system that Germans set up and invited them to join, on the assumption that they would inevitably became deracinated Enlightenment men like them, because no one could resist the appeal of such a wonderful philosophy?

    Bad? Yes. But the German reaction!

    The ancient Romans and Greeks hated Jews because they refused to mix with other nations and kept to themselves – this is a reason for that much scrutiny and malice? This provoked Tacitus to focus his limited attention on this obscure group that mostly dwelled in its own land? Seems bizarre.

    In the Middle Ages, crusaders massacred Jews because they were Christ killers. Okay. And they also were invited by the nobility to assist them with unpopular economic activities. Understandable, to some degree. More tragic than anything else.

    In modern times, its because they supposedly foment war and support economic policies that exploit the poor – the exact same thing can be said of the British aristocracy, yet they were viewed rather affectionately for most of history. Or the Romans, yet few people reserve special opprobrium for them either.

    And even though it is the crown jewels of Western civilization, the Enlightenment and science, which are the primary solvents of traditional cultures all over the world – Jews are blamed, and the primary role of those European thinkers who developed these main agents of dissolution are completely ignored.

    Everyone talks of Cultural Marxism, a recent post war phenomenon, but no one talks about science or the Enlightenment – the elephants in the room, the essence of modern European culture.

    It is nuts.

    And the fact that Judaism inspired the ethical and spiritual life of half the world – that is hardly a fact without significance, a mere accident.

    I am certainly not saying that Jews are the only bearers of spirituality – far from it. Nor even that they have historically been morally exemplary. They have had their wicked generations and wicked individuals – and their own holy book is a record if this.

    But they represent ethical and spiritual elevation, even if they consistently fail to live up to their own standards, because they have chosen to make that the very basis of their culture. That is the note they chose to emphasize.

    Just as Western Europe represents science and rationality, because that is what they have chosen to emphasize most of all – individual Europeans may be superstitious and irrational, even generations of Europeans may, but Europe stands for those things – and is despised for them, by some.

    So you see – I’m not really complaining. Standing for ethical and spiritual elevation will have to make you hated, because mankind wants sloth and self indulgence.

    It will have to make you more scrutinized, to bring you under the microscope – that’s fair in a sense.

    But lets be clear about what is happening.

  116. @AaronB

    You start out alright, and in fact, when people have asked ‘why are Jews always hated’ — with the implication being that it must be a consequence of their own behavior — I wonder, when has a minority group not been hated? My suspicion is that Jews could have done anything at all — as long as they were distinct from their Christian neighbors, they would have been hated.

    However, you start to go overboard when you attribute the enlightenment to Jews (!), and then you lose it completely:

    ‘But they represent ethical and spiritual elevation, even if they consistently fail to live up to their own standards, because they have chosen to make that the very basis of their culture. That is the note they chose to emphasize.’

    When? Certainly not now, when half the world’s Jews form the state of Israel and are responsible for its behavior, and most of the rest support its existence. This is ethical and spiritual elevation?

    …more the reverse — and in so many ways. No, leaving aside the question of whether they ever did, Jews certainly don’t represent ethical and spiritual elevation now.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  117. turtle says:
    @AaronB

    same thing can be said of the British aristocracy, yet they were viewed rather affectionately for most of history

    Only by their own kind.
    As Churchill said, “History will be kind to me, for I intend to write it.”
    Never mind that both Roosevelt and Hitler regarded him as a drunken bum.
    Fiat lux.

  118. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Any website that is devoted to objectifying an entire group of people, religion or ethnic group, with hate speech, and I am not alone, there is a huge movement to shut down internet hate speech it is dangerous and promotes violence, against Muslims, Jews, blacks, whites, etc.

    Let’s ignore that your run on sentence make no sense grammatically, but your few comments here that are not outright lies are gross subjective hysteria.

    I have challenged you with verbatim quotes from YOUR Chabad and YOUR “Torah.” The only time—emphasize only time—you attempted a direct rebuttal was your Aish Rabbi “Bronze Age” nonsense. You and the Aish Rabbi contend that “Kill even the best of the Gentiles” is some long forgotten vestige applicable only to Bronze Age Egyptians.

    BUT Maimonides felt it pertinent to the 12th century A.D. to note that it applies “only” in a time of war or in a time when Jews have control of the Gentiles—clearly inferring that the genocidal exhortation is applicable at any time in the FUTURE under those conditions (in a time of war or in a time when Jews have control of the Gentiles).

    FURTHER the Israeli press repeatedly quotes CONTEMPORARY rabbis elaborating on KILLING GENTILES. I have quoted several here. More verifiable quotes here: http://judaism.is/who-is-human.html

    So, I have posted VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE—even evidence from your own Chabad cult— that “Kill even the best of Gentiles” is NOT some Bronze Age vestige (as you lied), but, in fact, an influential view TODAY in a nuclear-armed nation.

    Too, you mocked a different commenter who noted the infant deaths caused by ritualistic fellatio at the bris. Somehow you never managed to acknowledge the evidence deflating your mockery: http://judaism.is/pedophilia-and-sodomy.html#mezizah

    …he practically screams to kill Jews…not so hidden plea to eliminate Jews and Judaism…

    Since you cannot quote “kill Jews” imprecations, what does “practically screaming” mean? That you are hysterically paranoid.

    …refusing to accept interpretations…

    As I demonstrated in the case of your Bronze Age “interpretation,” your “interpretations” and “context” are contrivances of convenience contradicted by evidence—simpler to say, LIES.

    …and the reality of who Jews are in the world.

    Au contraire, it is precisely the REALITY of what Jews are doing in the world TODAY that underscores the relevance of “only Jews are human” and “Kill even the best of Gentiles.”

    He is practicing what he claims Jews do.

    Oh really? Cite evidence that I target pregnant non-Catholic women, “1 shot, 2 kills.”
    Cite evidence that “only Catholics are human” and “Kill even the best non-Catholics.”
    Cite ritual murder.
    Cite which wars and revolutions I have instigated and funded.
    Cite where I have excused pederasty and pedophilia.

    You are a hysterical liar.

    It is preposterous to repeatedly pounce on this and think that people are not going to fight back.

    On that we agree. It is preposterous to believe that people will submit to any genocidal Master Race creed without fighting back. Your “high IQ” tribe is not smart enough to learn the key lesson of WW2: Declaring war in 1933 and fomenting numerous genocidal Jewish revolutions, and perpetrating global economic crimes against humanity had CONSEQUENCES.

    Instead of agitating against truth, you and your tribe would be well-served by serious honest introspection…if indeed you are capable of it.

  119. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear – I do not attribute the Enlightenment to Jews!

    It is a purely European creation, and the chief and primary agent for the dissolution of traditional cultures – yet it is popular for people around here to ignore the Enlightenment and blame Jews for the dissolution of traditional culture.

    Which is beyond grotesque, in my view.

    Regarding spiritual elevation, what I mean to say is, since Jews chose ethics and spirituality as the cornerstone of its culture, and not, for instance, reason and science, it symbolizes those things – this is quite disconnected from the behavior of Jews in any specific generation. We’re talking mythology here.

    It’s a bit of a subtle point.

    And Israel is a good example – tough situation, not perfect, sometimes bad, sometimes good, but not judged by ordinary standards, and scrutinized well beyond the immediate moral significance of its actions.

    And yes – it is enough to be a minority to be hated. That is human psychology, and has to be acknowledged. Its good that you do.

    But beyond that, group conflict is endemic all over the world, where neighbors are generally constantly at war.

    So there’s no special significance either way in the fact that Jews were expelled from so many countries, any more than that England was constantly at war with France, or Thailand with Burma.

  120. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    See Lawrence Olivier as the Mahdi in Gordon of Khartoum

    I have – ah the days when black face was acceptable for a tier 1 actor.

    Since then, there seems to have been a determined effort to make Muslims sinister.

    Yeah, I remember everything was really hitched with politics; like the Libyans killing Doc Brown in Back to the Future, bombing Libyans (fictionalized as “Bilya” – are you kidding me?) in Iron Eagle. It does seem relatively benign now compared to the onslaught that took place after 9/11.

    The last example of this genre I can think of was the 1975 film

    I do remember Afghans mujahideen being portrayed sympathetically in the 80’s in movies like Rambo and the Beast of War.

    Again, not saying our numbskull extremists are helping change the narrative by literally enslaving people – sheesh!

    Peace.

  121. Talha says:
    @Fran Taubman

    there is a huge movement to shut down internet hate speech it is dangerous and promotes violence, against Muslims, Jews, blacks, whites, etc.

    This does seem to be the case except for Whites. It seems to be open season on hating them. I actually think many Whites would not mind so much if they were included among those protected from internet hate speech and it was an even playing field. But right now they seem to be the ones not allowed into Club Victimhood.

    His website is sick, as it helps no one, promotes nothing, and in the end promotes a not so hidden plea to eliminate Jews and Judaism

    Get in line, these are a dime a dozen when it comes to Islam and Muslims.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Fran Taubman
  122. @AaronB

    …but the excuses for hating Jews change throughout the centuries…

    No. The “genius” tribe cannot even sort out cause and effect. Any and every time, pick any century, Jewish supremacism and the behavior it inspires cause “antisemitism.” Every single time.

    …the Prophets, who excoriated the wicked Jews.

    burying Moses, reviling Isaias… yeah, the Prophets. Tikkunei Zohar 1:27b refers to the Mishnah of the Talmud as “the burial place of Moses.” The reference is an apt double entendre because the Talmud at Shabbat 15 teaches that the Talmud supersedes and nullifies the Old Testament, so “buries” the Pentateuch of Moses. Menachot 22b places Moses in the 18th row of Talmud “sage” Rabbi Akiva like a dunce in the back of the class.

    A quintessential example of Jewish hypocrisy—the Jews cherry-pick Isaias for their failed and long-rescinded “light unto the Gentiles” mission (Isaias 42:6, 49:6, 60:3), but claim at Yebamoth 49b that Isaias was killed by having his own mouth sawed in half for daring to accuse the Israelites for their “unclean lips” (Isaias 6:5). The megalomaniacal hypocrites are ever ready to “defeat” God (Bava Metzia 59b) and His Prophets, even boiling Jesus in excrement and semen (Gittin 57a).

    The Germans may have had legitimate grievances against Jews, but their reaction was insanely disproportionate – what did Jews do? Dominate the economy? Practice nepotism? Take advantage of an open economic system that Germans set up and invited them to join…deracinated Enlightenment…?

    Ummm…. Murderous revolutions in Germany while Germany was fighting WW1? (Bavarian Socialist Republic, Berlin Spartacist Revolution) Murderous revolutions near Germany? (Russia, Hungary, etc.) 1933 declaration of War against Germany?

    Bad? Yes. But the German reaction!

    Wars, revolutions, economic crimes against humanity… I’d say the Jews are damn lucky that only about a quarter-million of them died in a war they declared, a war in which 60-80 million Gentiles died.

    …crusaders massacred Jews because they were Christ killers.…

    Are you ignorant of the Jewish instigation of Roman persecutions? pogroms against Christians? Purim murders? Inmestar?

    And the fact that Judaism inspired the ethical and spiritual life of half the world…

    Forgive me. I am just going to laugh at that howler. Christianity inspired the ethical and spiritual life of half the world. Talmudic Judaism opposed that ethical and spiritual life every step of the way—and still does!

    …because they have chosen to make that the very basis of their culture.

    Oh Puh-leez! Another howler that does not deserve a personalized rebuttal. Almost 100 pages exploring the misanthropic and perverse basis of their culture here: http://judaism.is

  123. ‘…Again, not saying our numbskull extremists are helping change the narrative by literally enslaving people – sheesh!

    Indeed not. However, if people can understand that the Christianity of the Lord’s Liberation Army and that of a professor of theology at a Jesuit University might be two different things, they should also be able to fathom that the Islam of some Wahhabi fanatic in the Syrian Desert might differ from that of a cleric in Izmir or Kuala Lumpur.

    • Agree: Talha
  124. @Colin Wright

    Liquori is not talking about Israel, he is talking about Judaism, Rabbinic Judaism, nothing to do with the topic du jour of Zionism and Israel.
    Do you not follow the conversation or his posts or website?

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  125. @AaronB

    ‘And Israel is a good example – tough situation, not perfect, sometimes bad, sometimes good, but not judged by ordinary standards, and scrutinized well beyond the immediate moral significance of its actions.’

    If Israel was judged by ordinary standards, the plug would have been pulled on it long ago.

    That you and most Jews insist on supporting and defending it makes a mockery of your claims that Judaism is a faith of ethics and spirituality. That can only be the case if we assume it is an ethics of racial supremacy and indifference to the sufferings of your victims and a spirituality that assumes that only practitioners of your faith have any significance in the eyes of God.

    If Talha insisted on defending ISIS, should I take his claims as to the merits of his faith seriously? What of a Christian who claimed that the inquisition was a fine institution and should be restored? So if a Jew defends Israel, what should I think of his religion?

    • Replies: @AaronB
  126. @Talha

    I would say that is correct except for the current Shia mullahs running Iran, specifically Khomeini, who made hating Jews the cornerstone of his theocracy, for to him the Jews are stoping his form of Islam from succeeding, I mean you can google the rulers of Iran’s genocidal comments it is a long list.
    And it is true, that before the Iranian revolution, there was no real hatred of the Jews by Muslims as a religion not including Zionism, and that the Shia have borrowed all the classic European tropes of the blood libel and protocols of conspiracy take overs.

    • Replies: @Talha
  127. @AaronB

    ‘It is a purely European creation, and the chief and primary agent for the dissolution of traditional cultures – yet it is popular for people around here to ignore the Enlightenment and blame Jews for the dissolution of traditional culture.

    Which is beyond grotesque, in my view.’

    I don’t share in the notions that there is a sinister design, and still less that there is a monolithic plot — but it is impossible not to notice that those pushing open borders, complete license to practice any form of sexual deviance imaginable, carte blanche for black criminality, mindless hatred of white people, etc, etc are disproportionately Jewish.

    So no, I don’t share your view that the blame is ‘beyond grotesque.’. Overwrought, and freighted with a suspicion of concerted purpose that isn’t supported by the facts, but ‘grotesque’?

    Not really. Some of our resident anti-semites are given to typing ‘every. single. time.’ when they notice that the author of yet another screed demanding something utterly corrosive of yet another aspect of a sane society is Jewish. I’ve found myself checking as well, and indeed.

    Every. Single. Time. Or close enough. Certainly not 2%. Very, very far from it. So no, it’s not ‘beyond grotesque.’

    I don’t particularly blame Jews; I just see it as a product of that extreme liberal schtick that is a traditional element of American Jewish culture.

    I suppose ‘unfortunate’ is the word I would choose. But it’s not ‘beyond grotesque’ to claim it exists. Whatever the explanation, it’s there.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  128. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Lol, I’m not interested in getting into the Israel debate.

    It’s fine to criticize Israel, even harshly, but your attitude is another example of a weirdly disproportionate and unbalanced response that goes well beyond any missteps Israel has taken.

    You can think what you like about Judaism – I’m just pointing out that there is a generally unbalanced and disproportionate response to Jews.

    Today its Israel, in the past it was something else, and in the future too.

    When England fights France for hundreds of years, then the rest of the world – its normal. When Jews experience conflict in the countries they settle, its somehow uniquely dastardly.

    There is a kind of unbalanced response that magnifies the situation.

    Which is fine, and inevitable.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @Al Liguori
  129. Talha says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I’m not at all familiar with Khomeini’s take on Jews to be honest. My impression is that Iran has generally been OK with Persian Jews. However when you point out finding his quotes on the internet, there seems to be a weird inconsistency; 1) is the source reliable, how did you know? And 2) if they are reliable, and you feel they should be exposed, why can’t hateful (but factual) quotes be exposed from the Talmud?

    As a general idea of anti-semitism in the Muslim world, Bernard Lewis has a fairly accurate take on it – this was spoken in a university in Israel:

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  130. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Again, that Jews are overrepresented in pushing these negative trends today I don’t dispute, but the trends began with the Enlightenment – white people developed the philosophical architecture and began the trend that much later, Jews latched into.

    That’s simply historical fact.

    What’s more, the majority of people’s today promoting these trends are white – Jews may be overrepresented, but none of this could happen without the active and enthusiastic participation of whites.

    I have no problem pointing out that Jews are overrepresented in this – but to completely ignore the elephant in the room is, indeed, grotesque.

    It’s a typically distorted and unbalanced response to Jews, of the kind that is historically normal.

  131. @AaronB

    ‘When France fights England…’

    There always has to be some reason the criticism is unjustified.

    In this case, it’s ‘unbalanced.’

    Look where Israel has dragged us and is dragging us; what would you say would be a ‘balanced’ response?

    Cut all ties but not immediately nuke it?

    In any case, the point was that you were claiming some kind of spiritual and ethical superiority for Judaism. Whatever the behavior of others or however ‘harsh’ or ‘unbalanced’ you may find it if it is pointed out what Jews actually do, the behavior of Israel — in which at least a majority of the world’s Jews are implicated — makes a mockery of such an assertion.

    It’s like the Nazis’ claim to be defending ‘Western Civilization’ in 1943-45. In light of their actual behavior, doesn’t work. No, Judaism isn’t a spiritual and ethical exemplar. We can see that.

    You are welcome to repudiate Judaism and see yourself as aspiring to spiritual and ethical excellence. Some Jewish sects and a few individual Jews do that. You can also support Israel. I can’t stop you. But you can’t do both at once; you can’t have your cake and eat it too.

    • Agree: Al Liguori
    • Replies: @AaronB
  132. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Liquori is not talking about Israel, he is talking about Judaism, Rabbinic Judaism, nothing to do with the topic du jour of Zionism and Israel.
    Do you not follow the conversation or his posts or website?

    Are you able to produce even one word of truth? I have repeatedly noted that Talmudic Judaism is the Master Race creed and that both Israeli and Diaspora Zionism puts that genocidal theory into deadly action.

    You also completely ignored all this:

    Any website that is …blah, blah, blah

    Let’s ignore that your run on sentence makes no sense grammatically, but your few comments here that are not outright lies are gross subjective hysteria.

    I have challenged you with verbatim quotes from YOUR Chabad and YOUR “Torah.” The only time—emphasize only time—you attempted a direct rebuttal was your Aish Rabbi “Bronze Age” nonsense. You and the Aish Rabbi contend that “Kill even the best of the Gentiles” is some long forgotten vestige applicable only to Bronze Age Egyptians.

    BUT Maimonides felt it pertinent to the 12th century A.D. to note that it applies “only” in a time of war or in a time when Jews have control of the Gentiles—clearly inferring that the genocidal exhortation is applicable at any time in the FUTURE under those conditions (in a time of war or in a time when Jews have control of the Gentiles).

    FURTHER the Israeli press repeatedly quotes CONTEMPORARY rabbis elaborating on KILLING GENTILES. I have quoted several here. More verifiable quotes here: http://judaism.is/who-is-human.html

    So, I have posted VERIFIABLE EVIDENCE—even evidence from your own Chabad cult— that “Kill even the best of Gentiles” is NOT some Bronze Age vestige (as you lied), but, in fact, an influential view TODAY in a nuclear-armed nation.

    Too, you mocked a different commenter who noted the infant deaths caused by ritualistic fellatio at the bris. Somehow you never managed to acknowledge the evidence deflating your mockery: http://judaism.is/pedophilia-and-sodomy.html#mezizah

    …he practically screams to kill Jews…not so hidden plea to eliminate Jews and Judaism…

    Since you cannot quote “kill Jews” imprecations, what does “practically screaming” mean? That you are hysterically paranoid.

    …refusing to accept interpretations…

    As I demonstrated in the case of your Bronze Age “interpretation,” your “interpretations” and “context” are contrivances of convenience contradicted by evidence—simpler to say, LIES.

    …and the reality of who Jews are in the world.

    Au contraire, it is precisely the REALITY of what Jews are doing in the world TODAY that underscores the relevance of “only Jews are human” and “Kill even the best of Gentiles.”

    He is practicing what he claims Jews do.

    Oh really? Cite evidence that I target pregnant non-Catholic women, “1 shot, 2 kills.”
    Cite evidence that “only Catholics are human” and “Kill even the best non-Catholics.”
    Cite ritual murder.
    Cite which wars and revolutions I have instigated and funded.
    Cite where I have excused pederasty and pedophilia.

    You are a hysterical liar.

    It is preposterous to repeatedly pounce on this and think that people are not going to fight back.

    On that we agree. It is preposterous to believe that people will submit to any genocidal Master Race creed without fighting back. Your “high IQ” tribe is not smart enough to learn the key lesson of WW2: Declaring war in 1933 and fomenting numerous genocidal Jewish revolutions, and perpetrating global economic crimes against humanity had CONSEQUENCES.

    Instead of agitating against truth, you and your tribe would be well-served by serious honest introspection…if indeed you are capable of it.

  133. @AaronB

    disproportionate and unbalanced

    It is disproportionate and unbalanced to ignore Jewish culpability—as you side-step discussion of Israeli culpability: “Lol, I’m not interested in getting into the Israel debate.”

    What about the disproportionate and unbalanced role of Jews in Communism and the resultant death toll?

    What about the disproportionate and unbalanced role of Jews in being the first to declare global war on Germany and the resultant global death toll?

    Jewish e-x-c-e-p-t-i-o-n-a-l-i-s-m.

    • Replies: @geokat62
  134. Talha says:
    @Talha

    I will say, I found this to be a reasonable read:
    https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/jewish-views-on-christianity/

    In short it talks about the classical/traditional views about Christians/gentiles from a Jewish perspective in medieval times when there was serious tension. It talks about the development and changes of some of those attitudes and the debates that are still ongoing within their rabbinical tradition.

    As such, I would naturally expect some of their rabbis to exhibit certain very-racist and bigoted attitudes (as some do in Israel – and are even reported in Israeli newspapers). These are the same guys who visit and pay homage at the grave of a man like Baruch Goldstein. Are those rabbis (and their followers) the normative voice or the extreme wing? That is a reasonable question – one I am not capable of answering.

    But, if there are indeed rabbis (and their followers) that do not have those same attitudes and are on the other side of the debate (and I have met some), then I think we should take them at their word, especially if their actions are shown to be in compliance with that attitude. If we ask people to make distinctions of various trends on our side (vast majority of Muslims do not have the Daesh philosophy, vast majority of White-nationalists do not have the Brenton Tarrant/Anders Breivik philosophy, etc.) we must be willing to accord it to the other side. At this point it becomes a matter of practicality in determining which way, say, the trends in attitude are going in the Jewish community at large.

    As an example, I can easily bring our an example from the Shafi’i school where the classical/traditional ruling on a Muslim murdering a polytheist dhimmi (as opposed to People of the Book) is that the Muslim only owes 1/3 the blood money as that owed for murdering a Muslim and the death penalty cannot be applied. However, in the Hanafi school, a Muslim that murders any non-Muslim dhimmi (no matter what background) is subject to being put to death or paying the full blood money (this depends on what the dhimmi’s family demands).

    Now, one can surely keep dragging out the medieval ruling from authentic Shafi’i school source texts and that would be accurate. However, the fact is that I can’t think of a single country in the Muslim world that applies the Shafi’i school’s ruling in this matter – almost all nations apply the Hanafi rules on this subject (most of them as an inheritance from Ottoman-era law).

    In summation; one has to approach the subject matter from a practical point of view and not simply from a theoretical one.

    Peace.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
  135. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    I don’t think you understood my point.

    It doesn’t matter that Jews are frequently guilty of moral backsliding and not living up to their standards – people hate the fact that there exists a nation that has made living up to God’s standards the basic point of life.

    For most nations, morality and spirituality are at best slideshows – the Greeks had both, but the main current if their life was sensuality, art, and intellectualism. For Northern Europeans, it was rationality and science. Etc, etc.

    People want to cling to this world – that there is one nation that has made the next world the central fact of life is a thorn in the side of humanity.

    Believe me, you’re not the first to point out Jewish moral backsliding. The Bible is all about that.

    So if you think Israel is uniquely evil and condemn most Jews for supporting it – that’s fine. But that does not change the fact that Jews are alone in making God the central fact of life as a nation. (Which is not to deny that individuals and communities of other nations have not done so for a time, or even entire other nations).

    But in fact I would submit that your hyperbole with regard to Israel – which at worst, is a country that is behaving in the ordinary bad way that mankind has a way of doing. Surely there are far worse moral emergencies to attract the attention of genuine humanitarians! – is in fact driven by irritation that this nation acts as a constant reminder that God should be the centerpiece of our life, not the comforts of this world, as you clearly prefer.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
    , @Colin Wright
  136. @Talha

    This is spot on, odd that you are not familiar with the Shia genocidal rage about Israel and the Jews, just read the Hamas charter calling for the death of Jews.
    https://fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/880818.htm
    or Sayyed Nasrallah saying that all Jews should move to Israel so when they wipe out Israel, they can save time.
    The genocidal claims towards the Jews and Israel by the Iranian leaders is notorious, lengthy continuous out there not hidden. Check this guy out.
    Iran is pretty much the man mojo in the ME keeping away peace.
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Ahmadinejad

    • Replies: @Talha
  137. @Talha

    I have not seen anything on the internet, social media or in other forms towards Muslims and or Islam that matches the hate filled and lying propaganda about Jews .
    Nothing.
    Just look at this website, or Gilad Atzmon promoting hateful propaganda about Jews, by JEWS themselves.
    Show me any muslims writing the same about Islam, that promotes such hate, based on lies.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Al Liguori
  138. Talha says:
    @Fran Taubman

    hateful propaganda about Jews, by JEWS themselves.

    Well depends on your definition of “Jew” – is it a religious identity or an ethnic one?

    Show me any muslims writing the same about Islam

    There are plenty of ex-Muslims that do this day and day out – they are simply apostates (which may be the same categorization that Mr. Atzmon may fall into from a religious Jewish perspective) who have an axe to grind against the religion and write all sorts of nonsense about it (likely why they left in the first place).

    based on lies.

    If you look at what Mr. Atzmon states, he clearly states he doesn’t believe in the historicity of the Bible. Even when he talks about the possible rape of Bathsheba, he links to a writing by an academic from a university. Furthermore, he is simply quoting others like the ADL and people making claims in the Knesset. He also makes statements like:
    “Not that I believe a word in the Old Testament, but the King David character is seen by many contemporary scholars and LGBTQ enthusiasts as a gay icon.”

    That is not his opinion, he his assessing the opinion of others.

    It would be like me saying:
    “Though the vast majority of Muslim scholars and institutions have denounced Daesh and their practices, certain discontented youth among Muslims see them as throwback to the glory days of the past and a way out of political demise and marginalization.”

    That is not me supporting Daesh, that is me assessing a phenomenon and thought process in others.

    Peace.

  139. Talha says:
    @Fran Taubman

    the Hamas charter

    Why do people keep insisting on citing a document that has been revised multiple times already:
    “To conclude, Hamas’s new document has shifted the movement’s positions and policies further toward the spheres of pragmatism and nationalism as opposed to dogma and Islamism. With this shift, Hamas creates areas of positive ambiguity that can be considered as openings to facilitate the emergence of new creative and inclusive approaches for other actors to deal with the movement, whether to end the blockade on Gaza or to resolve the conflict as a whole.”
    https://www.palestine-studies.org/jps/fulltext/214551

    Sayyed Nasrallah saying

    Source?

    Look, the founders of Israel were a bunch of atheist ethno-nationalists that were terrorists (belonging to the Stern Gang, Irgun and such). They literally became prime ministers. Kahane was elected to the Knesset. So if you are willing to denounce them and rename things like Ben Gurion Airport any libraries and museums named after them, then your position will be taken seriously.

    Iran is pretty much the man mojo in the ME keeping away peace.

    That is the tired old Zionist position even though Iraq and Syria were bombed and dismantled and attempted to be overthrown without Iran being involved at all in the process from the start. Iran has been forced to respond to the wars we brought into the neighborhood. Iran had nothing to do with what happened in Libya.

    Honestly, nobody except people in the US (that would be hard pressed to find Iran on a map) buy this narrative anymore. Even Europeans are getting sick of being involved in wars for Israeli security.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  140. @AaronB

    …people hate the fact that there exists a nation that has made living up to God’s standards the basic point of life.

    Talmudic Judaism, the religion of Israel, boasts of (1) defeating, (2) commanding, and (3) confusing God:

    (1) “God smiled and said: ‘My sons have defeated Me, My sons have defeated Me!’ God’s sons ‘defeated him’ with their arguments. Rabbi Yehoshua was correct in his contention that a view confirmed by majority vote must be accepted, even where God Himself holds the opposite view.”
    Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Bava Metzia 59b, Steinsaltz Edition [NY: Random House 1990], Vol. III p.237

    (2) “Our Zaddikim’s (famous Orthodox rabbis, from Hebrew “90,” numerology for “righteous”) words are more important than the Torah of Moses As our Sages teach: A Zaddik decrees, and God obeys.” the Koliner Rebbe. According to (((Wikipedia))) Rebbe Schneerson, Chabad founder, recorded on numeorus occassions expressing his Master Race beliefs,*** is considered a Zaddik—”Tzemach Tzedek”

    (3) On Rosh Hashanah (Talmudic New Year), the shofar (ram’s horn) is blown to confuse God and Satan so “the Jews” may escape accountability for their sins. http://mauricepinay.blogspot.com/2015/09/on-rosh-hashanah-talmudic-new-year.html
    Chabad rabbi “confusing” God

    Numerous additional proof texts here: http://judaism.is/torah.html#defeatinggod

    It is therefore inaccurate—even dishonest—to pretend that Israel is living up to God’s standards.

    ***Chabad founder Rebbe Schneerson is documented on video verbalizing Jewish supremacism and
    explaining how the Chabad slavemasters plan to rule non-Jews:

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  141. @Fran Taubman

    Just look at this website, or Gilad Atzmon promoting hateful propaganda about Jews, by JEWS themselves.

    Subjective emotionalism, never objective facts. You personally deal in hysterical agitprop, a veritable word salad of lies, and character assassination, not truth.

    Bottom line…

  142. @Colin Wright

    Your brain cannot handle two opposing views at the same time, and ponder one vs. the other.
    You have on many occasions on this thread, shown in italic my rant towards Liguori, which does not directly refute exactly what he is saying,

    ‘…So you see, one can change the meaning of anything by taking it out of context. And better not to waste time refuting these points one by one. God’s Torah is morally perfect, and if something ever sounds otherwise, it is because it is not understood properly.

    Yes — unfortunately, what you’ve quoted doesn’t respond to what Liguori quoted. That came with all the context one could wish for.

    It is like someone calling you a pedophile or a rapist and asking you to prove you are not.
    His quotes are not an intellectual argument to engage in they are just hate speech. You keep addressing his argument as because I am not refuting it, it must be true.

    On many many occasions I have explained that quoting religious scripture any religious scripture, is a fools way of interpretation the meaning. It is taken out of context in time and place, things written thousands of years ago are not useful today.

    Als main claim to fame is that Jews are commanded to kill gentiles, and are a satanic and evil group of people. I have never been commanded to kill gentiles, so what is the point

    He mentions the Kallalah as being part of the Tanakh, and he cuts and paste as if what he is saying is true, and it is the work of a 5 year old. I have been studying the Kabbalah for 10 years with a guide, the Kabbalah is a study in particle physics, and the divine nature of some of the particles, which is mind blowing seeing how long ago it was written, before modern math or physics, it has very little to do with god as a man in the sky and more to do with an abstract define presence. Al has no reasoning ability to understand nuance, he is too concerned about sheer dogma which leads to hatred.

    You cannot keep showing me my text to him as the same as defending Zionism and Israel, as I said that is another thought pattern all together.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
    , @Colin Wright
  143. @Fran Taubman

    His quotes are not an intellectual argument to engage in they are just hate speech.

    As I have repeatedly documented, Judaism, including Fran’s Chabad, teaches, “Only Jews are human” and “Kill even the best of the Gentiles.” Fran thought this was enough of an intellectual argument to copy and paste the Aish Rabbi’s dissembling that the genocidal imprecation was a long-ignored Bronze Age irrelevance. I rebutted with 12th century A.D. and contemporary evidence and Chabad’s own teaching that remains applicable in any future “war or when Jews have control over the Gentiles.” that “Only Jews are human” and “Kill even the best of the Gentiles” are still being taught. Over 3,000 years since the end of the Bronze Age, supremacism and genocide are still Jewish dogma. http://judaism.is/who-is-human.html

    On many many occasions I have explained that quoting religious scripture any religious scripture, is a fools way of interpretation the meaning. It is taken out of context in time and place, things written thousands of years ago are not useful today.

    I see. Actual quotes are for fools. Go figure. On many many occasions I have explained that Jews deny the plain language of their “holy” books, insisting that we submit to their narrative about themselves in face of much evidence contradicting their cooked-up ad hoc narrative. Already contradicted by evidence, Fran still insists “things written thousands of years ago are not useful today.” Two words: Torat Hamalech.

    I have never been commanded to kill gentiles, so what is the point?

    The point? Even if we assumed you are truthful, your sample-size of 1 does nothing to erase Maimonides, Chabad’s published teachings, Torat Hamalech, or the rabbis regularly quoted in the Israeli press.

    He mentions the Kallalah [sic]

    I never said anything about bread.

    [Kabbala] as being part of the Tanakh, and he cuts and paste as if what he is saying is true,

    Another lie. I never said Kabbala is part of Tanakh. I have said—and supported with evidence—that Talmud, Kabbala, Aggadah, Haggadah, responsa are all part of your Torah she b’peh (Oral Torah), not part of Tanakh as you lied.

    The “cut and paste” is a quote from the Jewish Encyclopedia entry on Torah.

    Can we agree that the head of the Sanhedrin, selected by his peers, translator of the Talmud, and a prolific scholar of Judaica can speak more authoritatively than a hack making ugly furniture? Well, Rabbi Adin Israel Steinsaltz says “Kabbala is the official theology of the Jewish people…the spiritual dimension of the revealed aspects of the Torah”

    too concerned about sheer dogma

    In a dispute about Judaism’s supremacist and genocidal dogma, you are annoyed that I am “too concerned about sheer dogma.” So, you find fault that I actually address the heart of the issue—malevolent Jewish dogma. You’d rather that I not bring Jewish dogma to the discussion about Jewish dogma. We all know why you resent confronting Judaic dogma.

    which leads to hatred.

    Indeed “Only Jews are human” and “Kill even the best of the Gentiles” leads to more than hatred; malevolent Jewish dogma has led and continues to lead Jews to perpetrate genocide and other crimes against humanity.

    Here let’s “copy and paste” some Torah and Chabad quotes with plenty of context:

  144. @AaronB

    ‘…But in fact I would submit that your hyperbole with regard to Israel – which at worst, is a country that is behaving in the ordinary bad way that mankind has a way of doing. Surely there are far worse moral emergencies to attract the attention of genuine humanitarians! – is in fact driven by irritation that this nation acts as a constant reminder that God should be the centerpiece of our life, not the comforts of this world, as you clearly prefer.

    My objection to the modern state of Israel is certainly not that it acts as a reminder that God should be the centerpiece of our life, as you assert with spectacular absurdity.

    Nor is it really that its behavior is uniquely vile. I think it is in several respects, but I don’t need to carry that point.

    The central difficulty is that my nation is so implicated in both its creation and its continued existence. Without us, Israel could no longer perpetuate its crimes.

    The analogy I think describes it best here is that as I type, there may well be several males adolescents out and about, stealing cars and sexually molesting girls. That’s regrettable.

    If, on the other hand, one of them is my son, it’s incumbent on me to do something about it.

    Ditto for Israel. As an American, I’m morally obliged to do all I can to bring this outrage to an end. I cannot sit here, mute, as Israel commits its crimes and we applaud and support them.

    If I lived in Nazi Germany in 1939-1945, I would feel it incumbent upon me to do all I dared to fight the crimes of the Nazis. Since I live in America in the 21st Century, it is incumbent on me to do all I can to fight the evil that calls itself (rather grotesquely, when one thinks about it) Israel.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  145. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Your brain cannot handle two opposing views at the same time, and ponder one vs. the other…’

    I would imagine your brain had difficulty with first-year algebra. Shut up.

  146. @Al Liguori

    ‘Talmudic Judaism, the religion of Israel, boasts of (1) defeating, (2) commanding, and (3) confusing God…’

    It doesn’t matter. I cannot imagine anything less Godly than the modern state of Israel.

    It is a massively criminal enterprise, existing by virtue of a parasitic relationship with the United States, and devoting itself with peculiar sadism to the pointless tormenting of the Palestinian people.

    Jews should take Israel as evidence that they are in no sense superior to anyone else and should be more humble in the future. That so many instead feel compelled to defend it only demonstrates their own moral weakness. The very worst, of course, are those who actually take pride in it. If there’s a God, they are damned.

    People will claim that my views demonstrate that I am anti-semitic. On the contrary, I am confident that I would find Israel equally repugnant were it Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Mormon, or Anabaptist. This, I have thought about, and am sure of. Israel is objectively vile, and the worst of it is that my own nation is responsible for its continued existence.

  147. @Talha

    ‘…Even Europeans are getting sick of being involved in wars for Israeli security.’

    They’re not even wars for Israel’s security. It would be more accurate to describe them as wars for Israel’s pathology.

    Iran is at worst an irritant to Israel — a Mao’s China to our Sixties America.

    That Israel feels the need to bring about a war with her demonstrates that she suffers from the national equivalent of mental illness. It responds to no objective need for security.

    • Replies: @Talha
  148. @Al Liguori

    You quote the same things over and over and over. You ask for facts to repudiate them.
    FACTS:

    1. NO JEWISH PERSON I KNOW HAS BEEN TAUGHT OR IS INTERESTED IN KILLING A GENTILE.
    2. THE QUOTE OIN RED IN YOUR CUT AND PASTE OVER AND OVER, IS A MISREPRESENTATION. IT SAYS GENTILES THAT DO NOT ABIDE BY THE SEVEN NOHA LAWS.
    3. THE SEVEN NOAH LAWS AS PRESENTED DURING THE TIME OF THIS WRITING.
     1. Do not deny god
    2. Do not blaspheme god.
    3. Do not murder
    4. Do not engage in illicit sexual relations.
    5. Do not steal
    6. do not eat from a live animal
    7. Create a just legal system.
    When that was written in the quote it was when these laws were not main stream.
    4. I HAVE STUDIED THE KABBALAH FOR 10 YEARS, IT IS ABOUT PARTICLE PHYSICS, NOTHING ABOUT SUPERIORITY OR RACISM OR KILLING GENTILES, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. THERE ARE MANY NON JEWS LIKE MADONA STUDY THE KABALLAH, THERE IS NOTHING LIFE THREATENING IN THE TEACHINGS.
    THESE ARE FACTS.

    WHY DON’T YOU SIGN UP FOR A COURSE IN THE KABBALAH YOU CAN DO IT ON LINE.
    SEE WHAT YOU ARE TAUGHT ABOUT GENTILES, AND RACISM, AND REPORT BACK. NO MORE CUTTING AND PASTING. TAKE A CLASS. LEARN THE FACTS FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE.I

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
    , @Al Liguori
  149. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    You did not understand my point – but it is okay 🙂

    I agree with you Jews have too much influence in America. It isn’t seemly. And I believe most Jews should move to Israel and get out of your hair, and those that remain should not have such a high profile.

    A bit of interesting history – did you know that America did not initially support the creation of Israel in 1948? America slapped an immediate arms embargo on the region, affecting mostly Israel, and actually interdicted crucial arms shipments that Israel needed for the war.

    Until 1967, America was neutral to hostile, and Israel got its weapons from the French. Israel’s victory in the 1967 war led America to think it might be a useful ally in the Cold War, and arms supplies did not begin until the 70s.

    But America became interested in Israel for its own reasons – America is warlike state, and would have made war in the ME even had no Jew lived in America.

    But of course the relationship developed in unanticipated ways, as things have a way of doing – and there is now a relationship that is not, perhaps, so healthy for either side, although I think Israel must be eternally grateful to America, as a simple matter of honor.

    But a certain level of decoupling is probably in order.

    Your hyperbolic views on Israel are silly, however, but you have a right to your opinion.

    • Troll: Al Liguori
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  150. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    Good points. Creating the smoke and blaming the fire on others.

    Peace.

  151. geokat62 says:
    @Al Liguori

    Jewish e-x-c-e-p-t-i-o-n-a-l-i-s-m.

    The more effective label is Jewish s-u-p-r-e-m-a-c-i-s-m.

    • Replies: @anon
  152. @AaronB

    ‘You did not understand my point – but it is okay 🙂

    There are several egregious lies in your post. To start with, far from not supporting the creation of Israel in 1948, US support was the only thing that made it possible. We even went so far as to blackmail various Latin American states into voting for it in the UN.

    Far from not obtaining any arms from America until the seventies, Israel fought both the 1956 and 1967 wars with Sherman tanks, and stole a great deal of nuclear technology and material from us in the early 1960’s.

    Then of course we have waged war in the Middle East because of Israel. We entered Lebanon in 1982 as a consequence of the Israeli invasion of that state. Absent Israel, the 2003 invasion of Iraq becomes absurdly improbable. Absent Israel, our upcoming war with Iran would not happen.

    Finally, of course, my views on Israel are neither hyperbolic nor silly, but all too justified by the facts of the case. It is you who are straddling two irreconcilable positions; that Judaism is an ethically and morally elevated faith, and that the modern state that calls itself Israel is an expression of that same Judaism. As an abstraction, either one of those propositions could be true; they can’t both be true at the same time.

    • Replies: @AaronB
  153. AaronB says:
    @Colin Wright

    Ok, ok – peace!

    🙂

    May we both go our ways in peace. A decoupling is surely necessary, and I hope you guys figure out your situation.

    I honor and respect the aid America has given Israel since 1967, but it is time to put some distance between us.

  154. @Al Liguori

    https://kabbalah.com/en/search?type=course

    Check out this kabbalah class on line, there are 10 pages of studies listed. Not one of them is about killing gentiles, or superiority of Jews or racism.

    Read it!!! I will lend you money to sign up. It is life enhancing for all of humanity.
    It would do you some good, make you more positive in your life.

  155. @Al Liguori

    Here is a Kabbalah for beginners, by Chabad will take you 5 minutes to read.

    https://www.chabad.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/380738/jewish/Beginners.htm

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  156. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    To dissect the many layers of the NOAHIDE DECEIT requires many pages of evidence. http://judaism.is/noahide-deceit.html

    3. THE SEVEN NOAH LAWS AS PRESENTED DURING THE TIME OF THIS WRITING.

    “7” is misdirection, because the benign-sounding “7 laws” administered at the whims of the rabbis are actually SEVEN CATEGORIES of laws. There are 620 Noahide Laws under the 7 categories of laws that you posted. The devil, of course, is in the details. Noahide Law is simply a Jewish version of Islamic dhimmitude in which Christians are subject to the whims of the rabbi slavemasters, instead of the whims of the mullahs. See:
    The 620 Universal Theocratic Laws for Non-Jews: http://www.hasidicuniversity.org/index.php?page=hu_theocracy/th_toc.htm
    See also the videos of CHABAD’s “Messiah” Schneerson (already posted by me above) in which he forthrightly describes the enslavement of Gentiles using “Noahide Laws.” Schneerson also described sending his agents to seduce goyim into submitting to Noahidism.

    A key deceit is how the rabbis define “not denying/blaspheming God.” As trinitarians, Christians worship Jesus Christ as True God and True Man, Second Person of the Holy Trinity and the rabbis consider that blasphemy, idolatry, avodah zarah, for which the penalty is death by beheading without formalities, such as a trial. Here is the Jewish Encyclopedia on that subject: ““With but a few exceptions, the punishment meted out to a Noachid for the transgression of any of the seven laws is decapitation…”Anyone can “copy and paste” that quote from “Laws, Noachian,” Jewish Encyclopedia entry (1916), Volume 7, pp. 648-650. http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=113&letter=L

    See Maimonides the “Great Rambam” again:

    The Christians are idolaters, and Sunday is their holiday…” Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Avodah Zorah, 9;4

    The Christians are worshipers of Avodah Zorah [idolatry]” Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Ma’akhalot Assurot, 11:7

    “… a gentile who worships false gods [including the Holy Trinity!] is liable, [for the death penalty] … A gentile is executed for every type of foreign worship which a Jewish court would consider worthy of capital punishment.” Maimonides, Hilchot Melachim XI, Mishneh Torah

    “It is a mitzvah [religious duty], however, to eradicate Jewish traitors, minim [Christians], and apikorsim, [“heretics,” i.e., sincere Judaic converts to Christianity] and to cause them to descend to the pit of destruction, since they cause difficulty to the Jews and sway the people away from God, as did Jesus of Nazareth…. May the name of the wicked rot.” Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, English translation, Chapter 10, Moznaim Publishing Corporation, Brooklyn, New York, 1990, p. 184.

    “If a Noahite is striving in the learning of Torah… reveals new aspects of Torah, he may be physically restrained and informed that he is liable for capital punishment… If the court that is established in consonance with the Seven Universal Laws gives the death penalty to a Noahite, the execution is an atonement for the person’s past transgression… Furthermore, the Noahite must experience reincarnation [Yes, REINCARNATION: http://judaism.is/paganism.html#reincarnation ] to be able to atone for transgressions he has done.”
    Chaim Clorfene & Yakov Rogalsky, The Path of the Righteous Gentile: An Introduction to the Seven Laws of the children of Noah, (Feldheim Publishers, 1987) p. 42 (The book bears an official letter of approval of its contents by Rabbi Mendel Feldman, Shearith Israel Congregation.)

    “It is permissable to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for [threatening Israel]. If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments – because we care about the commandments – there is nothing wrong with the murder.” Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro, Torat Ha’amalech (“The King’s Torah”) in West Bank Rabbi: Jews Can Kill Gentiles Who Threaten Israel, Ha’aretz, 9/11/2009 http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1126890.html

    Lest you lie again that this is some “Bronze Age” irrelevance, notice that IN 2015 CHRISTIANS WERE ACCUSED OF IDOLATRYworshipping at the Cenacle, the site of the Last Supper: https://www.jpost.com/Christian-News/Protestors-attempt-to-prevent-Christian-worshipers-entering-holy-site-at-King-Davids-tomb-404627 The (((accusers))) claimed the “idolatry” was at the site of King David’s tomb. If they really believed it is the tomb of King David, why have they been URINATING on the site almost every day? ““We killed Jesus” and “Christians out”, extremists write. Urinating on the door has become an almost daily event.” http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=17130

    Those who submit to the tyranny of the rabbis supposedly receive benefit in this world, but what of the life to come? Contrary to the sweet lies of the rabbis, Noahides, having received their reward (not being killed by the rabbos) in this life, “in the world to come” Noahides go to hell with the rest of the goyim.
    You may “copy and paste” this quote from Google books: Rabinical Literature: Or, The Traditions Of The Jews, Contained in Their Talmud and Other Mystical Writings by John Peter Stehelin, Volume 2, p. 10. https://tinyurl.com/y7h43pxb

    Noahide Law subjects Christians to the rabbis, putting Christians at the level of chattel slaves whose lives are at the whim of Judaic masters. Under Judaic courts there is no equality for Christians. From the Oral Torah, Talmud, Sanhedrin 57a:

    “A non-Jew is put to death on the basis of a decision given by one judge [no jury], and on the basis of testimony given by a single witness, and even if he was not given a proper warning prior to the commission of his offense. He is put to death on the basis of testimony and a decision given by a man but not on the basis of testimony and a decision given by a woman, and the man who testified or decided against him can even be a relative. A Jew can only be put to death by a court of twenty-three judges, and on the basis of the testimony of two male witnesses who are not disqualified from testifying on account of kinship, and after being properly warned against committing the transgression. But none of these rules apply in the case of a non-Jew.”
    Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 57b, Steinsaltz edition, vol.18, page 110

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  157. @Fran Taubman

    4. I HAVE STUDIED THE KABBALAH FOR 10 YEARS, IT IS ABOUT PARTICLE PHYSICS, NOTHING ABOUT SUPERIORITY OR RACISM OR KILLING GENTILES, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. THERE ARE MANY NON JEWS LIKE MADONA STUDY THE KABALLAH, THERE IS NOTHING LIFE THREATENING IN THE TEACHINGS.
    THESE ARE FACTS.

    It is ORTHODOX JUDAISM, like the Hasids of your CHABAD, that teaches “only Jews are human” and “Kill even the best of Gentiles.” I never specified that was a tenet of only Kabbalists. Carelessness or deceit on your part?

    Following the revelations about the horrifying content of your “Oral Torah” at the Disputations of Paris and Tortosa, the rabbis have spent the intervening centuries expurgating and sanitizing the Talmud and Kabbala. Louise Ciccione may be gullible enough to fall for the lies, but not well-catechized Catholics. Since the Renaissance, many have tried to “baptize” the Kabbala as though it is suitable for Christians. We have resisted your tricks for two millennia.

    “Particle physics,” you say. Like hell! Among the profoundly satanic insanities of your Kabbalistic theology:

    • Israel must make sacrifices to Satan so that he will leave Israel unmolested (Zohar 2:33a).
    • The evil impulse is good, and without the evil impulse Israel cannot prevail in the world (Zohar 1:61a).
    • “Adam engendered female demons from his spilled semen. Eve copulated with Satan and conceived Cain (Zohar 1:55a).
    • The nocturnal emissions of males are caused by Na’amah, the mother of the king of demons who titillates men in their sleep (Tishby, Zohar, 3:1365-66; pp. 309-310).
    • The patriarchs Amram, Levi, and Benjamin were conceived without sin (Zohar, 1:57b).
    • The manner in which Abraham attempted to sacrifice Isaac was wrong and God holds a grudge against Abraham for this wrong (Zohar 2:33a).
    • Moses used a crystal ball device to view invisible beings (Zohar 2:23b).

    As if your sanitized online Kabbala courses will reveal such things to a goy like me??? Pffft!

    Sadly, talmudic anti-Popes like Señor Bergoglio have believed the satanic hasidic rubbish that Chabad pushes. Rubbish like Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah.

    Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah (“descent for sake of ascent”). This teaching simply means that one has to descend into sin, which paradoxically has a positive status in Hasidism, in order to ascend to new heights. This is done because the god of Talmudic Judaism is one of opposites — a hermaphrodite god of good/evil. In the Hasidic lore, tzaddiks (saints or righteous people) wrestle not with evil but with goodness as they descend into sin in this process in order to ascend into righteousness. Yeridah Tzorech Aliyah is one of the foundational beliefs of Orthodox Talmudic Judaism along with Tikkun Olam. In the later belief the rabbis have the chutzpah to state that God made creation imperfect and the Talmudic Jews are to correct his work. The Hasidism of Francis’ mind is also shown when he says such things as, “[Jesus] made himself the devil” and “the Holy Trinity [is] arguing behind closed doors but on the outside they give the picture of unity.” the Rebbe [CHABAD’s “Rebbe”] explains the Hasidic stratagem of “descent for sake of ascent” https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-rebbe-explains-hasidic-stratagem-of.html

  158. @Al Liguori

    I am not reading that you are waisting your time.

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  159. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    As expected, your online Kabbala course is sanitized for Gentile consumption and submission.

  160. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    I am not reading that [sic] you [sic] are waisting [sic] your time.

    Did you think I rebut your lies expecting you will read and recant?

    Of course not.

    I rebut your lies so that decent people will not be taken in by your lies.

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  161. @Al Liguori

    You asked for facts, I study Kabbalah with Hassidic’s. That is a fact.
    No where in my teaching am I taught to kill gentiles, no where am I taught that I am superior, or that non Jews are lesser.
    I doubt any reasonable person believes otherwise or people would not study it.
    So I think you are a voice of one.

    These are facts you cannot dispute with your cut and paste lies.
    No one believes you.

    Tick Tock on your Judaism is.
    Am Yisrael Chai!!!

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  162. Dear moderator,
    You once scolded me for being too loquacious with too much posting. What about this Liguori guy?
    Don’t you think this is just too much infusion of the same info over and over again.
    Just saying.

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  163. @Fran Taubman

    You asked for facts, I study Kabbalah with Hassidic’s. That is a fact.
    No where in my teaching am I taught to kill gentiles, no where am I taught that I am superior, or that non Jews are lesser.

    And you, hypocrite, complain that I repeat myself. Rebutted previously:

    The point? Even if we assumed you are truthful, your sample-size of 1 does nothing to erase Maimonides, Chabad’s published teachings, Torat Hamalech, or the rabbis regularly quoted in the Israeli press.

    You repeat your lies. I repeat the evidence exposing your lies. That’s how it works.

  164. This guy Shapira is just like you a fruit cake and out cast. He is hated by Jews, just like catholics hate you, they are embarrassed by you, even the pedophile priest cannot stand you. You are reviled in your faith just like this guy. HA ha!!
    Jews have never killed babies, site where they have, the Jews went like lambs to the slaughter and never killed german children after the war.

    But in a sign of mounting official unease at Shapira’s influence on the settlement movement, the Israeli military authorities also threatened last week to enforce a decade-old demolition order on Yitzhar’s seminary, which was built without a permit.

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    , @Al LIguori
  165. Al LIguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Not only is there a new second volume of Torat Ha’amalech, but your gratuitous claims lies are contradicted by rabbis and the Israeli press:

    Rabbis Yitzhak Ginzburg and Yaakov Yosef endorse Rabbi Yitzhak Shapiro’s 2009 book exhorting the killing of babies and children, adding “It is permissable to kill the Righteous among Nations even if they are not responsible for [threatening Israel]. If we kill a Gentile who has sinned or has violated one of the seven commandments – because we care about the commandments – there is nothing wrong with the murder.”
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1126890.html

    and Rabbi Shapira is funded by the Israeli government:

    Who is funding the rabbis who endorse killing Gentile babies? By Akiva Eldar, Ha’aretz, 11/17/09
    “…For example, [Israel’s] government ministries regularly transfer support and funding to a yeshiva whose rabbi determined that it is permissible to kill gentile babies ‘because their presence assists murder, and there is reason to harm children if it is clear that they will grow up to harm us … it is permissible to harm the children of a leader in order to stop him from acting evilly … we have seen in the Halakha that even babies of gentiles who do not violate the seven Noahide laws, there is cause to kill them because of the future threat that will be caused if they are raised to be wicked people like their parents….’”
    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1128767.html

    Further:

    In 2007 Israel’s former Sephardic Chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu exhorted the indiscriminate killing of women and children: https://electronicintifada.net/content/top-israeli-rabbis-advocate-genocide/6974 and again in 2017 his son Chief Rabbi of Safed and Member of the Israeli Chief Rabbinate Council Shmuel Eliyahu insisted on the extermination of Palestinians as a “religious duty” to “get closer to God.”
    https://www.suchtv.pk/world/item/59316-kill-palestinians-to-get-closer-to-god-israeli-rabbi-says.html
    https://palestineinsight.net/2016/07/06/kill-palestinians-to-get-closer-to-god-rabbi-shmuel-eliyahu/

  166. @Fran Taubman

    Jews have never killed babies, site [sic] where they have…

    You have murdered your own children and insist you have never murdered ours:

    When thou art come into the land which the Lord thy God shall give thee, beware lest thou have a mind to imitate the abominations of those nations. Neither let there be found among you any one that shall expiate his son or daughter, making them to pass through the fire: or that consulteth soothsayers, or observeth dreams and omens, neither let there be any wizard, Nor charmer, nor any one that consulteth pythonic spirits, or fortune tellers, or that seeketh the truth from the dead. For the Lord abhorreth all these things, and for these abominations he will destroy them at thy coming.
    Deuteronomy 18:9-12

    And the word of the Lord came to Jeremias, saying: Behold I am the Lord the God of all flesh: shall any thing be hard for me?… And they have built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Ennom, to consecrate their sons and their daughters to Moloch: which I commanded them not, neither entered it into my heart, that they should do this abomination, and cause Juda to sin.
    Jeremias 32:26-35

    [MORE]

    And they have built the high places of Topeth, which is in the valley of the son of Ennom, to burn their sons, and their daughters in the fire: which I commanded not, nor thought on in my heart. Jeremias 7:31

    But they mingled with the nations And learned their practices, And served their idols, and it became a stumblingblock to them. And they sacrificed their sons, and their daughters to devils. And they shed innocent blood: the blood of their sons and of their daughters which they sacrificed to the idols of Chanaan. And the land was polluted with blood, And was defiled with their works: and they went aside after their own inventions. Psalms 105 (106) :35-39

    But he [King Achaz of Judea, son of King David] walked in the way of the kings of Israel: moreover he consecrated also his son, making him pass through the fire according to the idols of the nations: which the Lord destroyed before the children of Israel.
    4 Kings (2 Kings) 16:3 See also: 2 Paralipomenon (2 Chronicles) 28:3

    And they forsook all the precepts of the Lord their God: and made to themselves two molten calves, and groves, and adored all the host of heaven: and they served Baal. And consecrated their sons, and their daughters through fire: and they gave themselves to divinations, and soothsayings: and they delivered themselves up to do evil before the Lord, to provoke him.
    4 Kings (2 Kings) 17:16-17

    And he [King Manasses of Jerusalem] made his son pass through fire: and he used divination, and observed omens, and appointed pythons, and multiplied soothsayers to do evil before the Lord, and to provoke him. 4 Kings (2 Kings) 21:6 See also: 2 Paralipomenon (2 Chronicles) 33:6

    Who seek your comfort in idols under every green tree, sacrificing children in the torrents, under the high rocks? Isaias 57:5

    And thou hast taken thy sons, and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne to me: and hast sacrificed the same to them to be devoured. Is thy fornication small? Thou hast sacrificed and given my children to them, consecrating them by fire. Ezechiel 16:20-21

    And I polluted them in their own gifts, when they offered all that opened the womb, for their offences: and they shall know that I am the Lord. Ezechiel 20:26

    And even the British Medical Journal notes that you are still murdering our children:
    http://judaism.is/ritual-murder.html
    http://judaism.is/israelis-target-children.html

    Graphic: Israel’s War on Children
    Murdering Children for Sport
    The Jewish Holocaust Against Arab Children
    https://cintayati.wordpress.com/2014/07/08/israels-war-on-children-part-1-murdering-children-for-sport-the-jewish-holcaust-against-arab-children/

    “Children have been shot in other conflicts I have covered…but I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport.”
    Chris Hedges’ “A Gaza Diary: Scenes from the Palestinian Uprising,” Harper’s October 2001
    http://harpers.org/archive/2001/10/a-gaza-diary/

    “Two thirds of the 621 children (two thirds under 15 years) killed at checkpoints, in the street, on the way to school, in their homes, died from small arms fire, directed in over half of cases to the head, neck and chest—the sniper’s wound. Clearly, soldiers are routinely authorized to shoot to kill children in situations of minimal or no threat…”
    British Medical Journal, Palestine: the assault on health and other war crimes, Summerfield, BMJ. 2004; 329: 924 http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/329/7471/924?ijkey=c7b88fe81cf2cba4710713e3fed9e54a3c506f68&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha&eaf

    Watchtower: “It’s a little girl. She’s running defensively eastward.”

    Operations room: “Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?”

    Watchtower: “A girl of about 10, she’s behind the embankment, scared to death.”

    Captain R (after killing the girl): “Anything moving in the zone, even a three-year-old, needs to be killed.”

    “Captain R” was promoted and given a bonus.

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/child-killed.html

  167. @Al LIguori

    This is not a religious site Al, your comments to me are way over the top, we are not here to discuss the Catholic pre Vatican 2 vs. Judaism vs. the Christian support for Israel.
    It is really enough with your comments.
    Please move on. You seem fixated on ideas that are not in the main stream of Jewish thought. Please stop posting your comments to me, or I will figure a way to block you.

  168. You stated, “Jews have never killed babies.”
    I cited Biblical and contemporary evidence that Jews have long killed babies.
    Instead of addressing the evidence, you start name-calling and evidence-free denial, as is your tribal custom.
    You talk about Judaism and then express your annoyance that I discuss Judaism.
    Then you presume to instruct and threaten me about participating in this site.
    So (((stereotypical))).

    Notwithstanding your presumptions, you are not in charge.

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  169. @Al LIguori

    You have stated biblical passages which are no longer applicable.
    Jews do not kill babies as a moral imperative, it is morally repugnant.
    Jews are not know for killing babies, I have never heard that anywhere then from you.
    Can you site modern commentary, like any news articles of Jews living in Europe from the middle ages on, stating that Jews kill babies? Any post war articles about Jews killing babies.
    Is there any question about Jews killing babies here in the US?
    If I said that all catholics are pedophiles, because there is a lot of evidence that Catholic priest, and the Church cover up of a tremendous amount of pedophilia.
    Are you a pedophile?
    Jews are not known throughout the world for killing babies. You can site one or two odd crazy person but that is it, beyond your biblical references. I am talking today.
    The Catholic church is flooded with pedophiles. So what, what good is for me to scream at you for.
    How can I help you? Jews do not kill babies. that is all I have to say. Like pedophiles in the catholic church. I do not kill babies, no Jews I know kill babies.
    WTF is your point?

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  170. Al Liguori says: • Website

    You have stated biblical passages which are no longer applicable.

    “No longer applicable”? Then explain CURRENT events.

    Even the British Medical Journal notes that you are still murdering our children:
    http://judaism.is/ritual-murder.html
    http://judaism.is/israelis-target-children.html

    Graphic: Israel’s War on Children
    Murdering Children for Sport
    The Jewish Holocaust Against Arab Children
    https://cintayati.wordpress.com/2014/07/08/israels-war-on-children-part-1-murdering-children-for-sport-the-jewish-holcaust-against-arab-children/

    “Children have been shot in other conflicts I have covered…but I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport.”
    Chris Hedges’ “A Gaza Diary: Scenes from the Palestinian Uprising,” Harper’s October 2001
    http://harpers.org/archive/2001/10/a-gaza-diary/

    “Two thirds of the 621 children (two thirds under 15 years) killed at checkpoints, in the street, on the way to school, in their homes, died from small arms fire, directed in over half of cases to the head, neck and chest—the sniper’s wound. Clearly, soldiers are routinely authorized to shoot to kill children in situations of minimal or no threat…”
    British Medical Journal, Palestine: the assault on health and other war crimes, Summerfield, BMJ. 2004; 329: 924 http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/329/7471/924?ijkey=c7b88fe81cf2cba4710713e3fed9e54a3c506f68&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha&eaf

    Watchtower: “It’s a little girl. She’s running defensively eastward.”

    Operations room: “Are we talking about a girl under the age of 10?”

    Watchtower: “A girl of about 10, she’s behind the embankment, scared to death.”

    Captain R (after killing the girl): “Anything moving in the zone, even a three-year-old, needs to be killed.”

    “Captain R” was promoted and given a bonus.

    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/child-killed.html

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  171. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Is there any question about Jews killing babies here in the US?

    Jews are disproportionately the ABORTIONISTS of babies—and not only in the US. http://judaism.is/who-is-human.html#abortion

    Another Jewish monster specializes in murdering goyische children, especially Catholic children, using off-shore abortion ships and internet-ordered pills.
    Abortion in Europe: Dr. Rebecca Gomperts Takes Entrepreneurial Approach by Cassandra Vinograd
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/europes-abortion-fight/abortion-europe-dr-rebecca-gomperts-takes-entrepreneurial-approach-n559881

    Large majority of Jews favor abortion—for non-Jews by Kevin MacDonald, November 17, 2013
    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/11/17/jews-oppose-abortion-for-jews/

    Judaism excuses abortion through the “rodef” pilpul, that the baby is a rodef, a pursuer, an aggressor, whose life the mother may take. (among many, see “Jewish Law Favors Stem Cell Research,” Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles, July 30, 2004) Judaism teaches that the baby is not “nefesh,” a person, until it is born, specifically not until the baby’s head emerges—a pilpul allowing the rabbis to nullify the commandment against murder even allowing the brains to be sucked from a full-term infant while the head is still in the birth canal.

    etc., etc. etc.

    “Before the baby is born, it is not considered a living soul, and it is therefore not subject to the halakhot (law) of murder.”

    Koren Talmud Bavli: Sanhedrin Part Two (Jerusalem, 2017), p. 155.

    “Rashi, the venerated twelfth century Judaic interpreter of the Bible and Talmud, says of the fetus, ‘lav nefesh hu’ – ‘it is not a person.’ Rabbi Meir Abulafia decreed, ‘So long as the fetus is inside the womb, it is not a nefesh and the Torah has no pity on it.’ The noted Judaic legal scholar Rabbi Isaac Schorr stated: ‘The sense of the Talmud is that a fetus is not a person’ (Responsa Koah Schorr, no. 20 [responsa are authoritative in Judaism and supersede the plain text of the Bible.]). The Talmud contains the expression ‘ubar yerech imo’ -the fetus is the thigh of its mother, i.e., the fetus is deemed to be part of the pregnant woman’s body. The Greek philosopher Aristotle regarded the unborn child in its first seven days as a ‘secretion’ (ekrysis). In rabbinic law the status of ‘secretion’ lasts for the first forty days of gestation. In Judaism the woman is not regarded as pregnant until the baby in her womb is more than forty days old.

    “Contrary to these traditions of Judaism, God did not say in the bible that He recognized the unborn baby only after forty days. He said He recognized it as a being before the child had even formed in the womb (Jeremiah 1:5) As usual, the rabbis go God one better and establish a term of forty days before recognition can be conferred, and that rabbinic recognition is only of the pregnancy itself, not of the humanity of the child.

    “The matter does not rest at the forty day limit, however. In the familiar pattern of rabbinic modification, supplementation, and emendation, enough of these are generated to allow abortion at any time during the pregnancy for almost any reason, however fanciful or arbitrary. For example, if it is decided that an aborted baby does not look like a baby after it has been aborted, then it is not considered to have been an aborted child. [Tosefta Niddah 4:5-6]

    “Since the 1973 Supreme Court decision, Roe v. Wade, the standard American abortion procedure is considerably Talmudic in nature, since the Talmud specifically states that if the unborn baby is adduced to be a rodef the rabbis authorize that it can be chopped up at any time: ‘They chop up the child in her womb.’ [Mishnah Ohalot 7:6]” –

  172. @Al Liguori

    You repeat the same memes over and over, like an obsessive person. That post about the Israeli snipper is incorrect, it was actually Hammas fire that killed the pregnant women and child.
    You can google that. Why is your information more correct then mine, because you say so.
    How many children died in Syria, or other places in the world?
    How many Catholic Priest harmed children beyond repair mentally?
    Are you a pedophile?
    You have posted the errand photo of the children over and over again and I have told you it was incorrect.
    Here is Islamic Jihad admitting that they killed the pregnant mother and child
    So will you stop posting that or say you are wrong.

    https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Islamic-Jihad-admits-baby-pregnant-woman-killed-by-their-own-rockets-589001

    Jews do not kill babies, it is immoral. Jews have killed less people in the ME, then any other people over there. Why don’t you find out how many babies muslims killed? Or Christians in the crusades.
    Maybe you should see a doctor who could help you with your obsession. No Catholic person I know thinks that Jews kill babies.
    Are you a pedophile? You never answered the question.

  173. I have posted:
    (1) photos of the sniped babies (there are dozens and dozens more photos and verifiable reports listed here: http://judaism.is/genocide.html ),
    (2) the substantiating journalism/video that Jew snipers boast “1 shot, 2 kills.”
    (3) that the Israeli press frequently reports on rabbis and settlers rationalizing the killing of babies
    (4) that the occupational government funds Rabbi Shapira of Torat Ha’amalech infamy.

    Your name-calling and unsubstantiated denials fits the tired old Jew script (meme follows):

  174. @Al Liguori

    Fran Taubman objects exactly according to the usual Israeli PR methods :

    2 The people were killed, but by a faulty Palestinian rocket/bomb :

    “…Here is Islamic Jihad admitting that they killed the pregnant mother and child
    So will you stop posting that or say you are wrong…”

    6 OK we killed far more civilians than they do but look at how terrible other countries are !

    “…Why don’t you find out how many babies muslims killed? Or Christians in the crusades..?”

    Finally his last straw : “…Are you a pedophile? You never answered the question…”

    Typical!

  175. @Al Liguori

    Why don’t you ask Ron Unz he is Jewish, or Gilad Atzmon, also a Jew. You specifically said that Jews are instructed to kill babies, ask they if they were secretly directed to kill babies, or if any Jews they know are instructed to kill babies?
    You claim that it is our secret duty to kill babies, why not ask Jews if they have killed babies. I cannot defend crazy people like your pedophile priests, or the crazy Israeli settlers.
    I cannot reconcile for you every death that has occurred in Israel, but it is immoral to kill babies, you have said time and time that we Jews think it is okay to kill babies as long as they are not Jewish.
    Ask they written of this article if he thinks it is okay to kill babies, or if he has been taught secretly or religiously that it is okay to kill non Jewish babies.
    You are a liar, you make things up to suit your narrative.
    All Catholics are pedophiles.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases

    frequently covered up by the church hierarchy, Cardinals and Bishops.

    You can hate Jews all you want and call us whatever names you want, but we are not biblically commanded to kill babies.

  176. Al Liguori says: • Website

    You specifically said that Jews are instructed to kill babies…

    Not only did I “specifically say,” I “specifically” provided verifiable evidence of the teaching, then and now.

    It’s really quite revealing of your Jewish pathology that you think your unsupported statements lies are supposed to be more convincing than videos, the Old Testament, Torat Ha’amelch, and the Israeli press reports of rabbis exhorting the killing of Gentile babies.

    You are “exhibit A” of the veracity of GOD’s word in the New Testament, “specifically” John 8:44:

    You [specifically]are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.

  177. @Al Liguori

    Jesus refers tot he Jews at the temple and says that because the Jews did not believe that Jesus was the Messiah, the same as that we do not believe Mohammed is the last prophet.
    Maybe you are not intelligent enough to understand that when someone thinks that Jesus is a false prophet, Jesus is going to not think kindly of them because he is being rejected and scorned.
    He did not follow the prophesy as it was written by the prophets.
    I do not believe that Jesus is the son of god and the messiah. So for you I am from the devil.
    That is your opinion. You can curse and show all the ugly memes that are caricatures of Jews, you hate Jews, that is your choice.
    Do you know any Jews to ask them if they are instructed biblically to kill non Jewish babies, do you know any Jews personally that have killed non Jewish babies?
    I think Jesus is a false prophet, and that you are the devil.
    I have showed verifiable proof that Catholic Priest are pedophiles and hurt children beyond repair. Are they the father of the devil?
    What is going to happen to them?
    None of what you have shown me is correct all propaganda.

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  178. @Al Liguori

    Jesus is a false prophet, the bastard son of a Roman soldier and Mary, no virgin birth.
    Too bad..

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  179. anon[210] • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    Remember, goyim, it’s the Jew FIRST! Whitey is nothing without Jewish assistance.

  180. anon[210] • Disclaimer says:
    @Al Liguori

    No, the Holy Hook isn’t God’s word, it’s Jewish storytelling. Why would a White man swallow it?

  181. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Fran wants to host the “Ask a Jew” comedy hour where Jews will certainly give honest answers to tough questions and all evidence is ignored. What a howler.

    Jews killed million of children in their Judeo-Communist paradise: http://judaism.is/perpetrators.html
    Jews kill children in Occupied Palestine: http://judaism.is/genocide.html
    Jews kill children FOR SPORT in Occupied Palestine: http://harpers.org/archive/2001/10/a-gaza-diary/
    Jews snipe babies in the womb and boast “1 shot, 2 kills”: http://judaism.is/israelis-target-children.html
    Jews killed children in the “Bronze Age”: Deuteronomy 18:9-12, Jeremias 32:26-35, Jeremias 7:31, Psalms 105 (106) :35-39, 4 Kings (2 Kings) 16:3, 2 Paralipomenon (2 Chronicles) 28:3, 4 Kings (2 Kings) 17:16-17, 4 Kings (2 Kings) 21:6, 2 Paralipomenon (2 Chronicles) 33:6, Isaias 57:5, Ezechiel 16:20-21, Ezechiel 20:26
    Jews kill children in ritual murder according to the son of the Chief Rabbi of Rome: http://www.bloodpassover.com/

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  182. @Fran Taubman

    Jesus is a false prophet, the bastard son of a Roman soldier and Mary, no virgin birth.
    Too bad..

    We’ll file that with all the other beliefs from your “holy” books, beliefs that qualify you to be a “light unto the world” and to repair God’s incompetent job of Creation, tikkun olam, while you “defeat” God (Bava Metzia 59b):
    • Only Jews are human (Bava Metzia 114b)
    • Kill even the best of the Gentiles (Sopherim 15, 10; Mishneh Torah 10)
    • Murdering gentiles should not be punished (Sanhedrin 57a)
    • Israel must make sacrifices to Satan so that he will leave Israel unmolested (Zohar 2:33a).
    • The evil impulse is good, and without the evil impulse Israel cannot prevail in the world (Zohar 1:61a).
    • Adam had intercourse with all the animals in the Garden of Eden (Yebamoth 63a)
    • A white dog’s manure mixed with balsam cures the flu (Gittin 69b)
    • Adam fathered female demons from his spilled semen. Eve copulated with Satan and conceived Cain (Zohar 1:55a).
    • The nocturnal emissions of males are caused by Na’amah, the mother of the king of demons who titillates men in their sleep (Tishby, Zohar, 3:1365-66; pp. 309-310).
    • The patriarchs Amram, Levi, and Benjamin were conceived without sin (Zohar, 1:57b).
    • The manner in which Abraham attempted to sacrifice Isaac was wrong and God holds a grudge against • Abraham for this wrong (Zohar 2:33a).
    • Moses used a crystal ball to view invisible beings (Zohar 2:23b).
    • Women are like fish from the fish market and meat form the slaughterhouse. (Nedarim 20b)
    • Women are sacks of manure with filthy blood at their opening (Shabbat 152a)
    • Sodomizing boys less than 9 is not really sodomy (Sanhedrin 54b)
    • Raping little girls is OK and can be a betrothal (Ketubot 11b, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch)
    • Voyeur rabbis spy on other rabbis in the outhouse (Berakoth 61b-62a)
    • Jews should lie to Gentiles (Bava Kama 113a)
    • etc.

  183. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    He [Jesus] did not follow the prophesy as it was written by the prophets.

    Because Jesus Christ embodied hundreds of prophesies of Him in the Old Testament, the Masorete Jews re-wrote and bowdlerized the Old Testament for a millennium after Christ in order to de-throne Him—yet another instance of Jews trying to “defeat” God (Bava Metzia 59b). Because their tampered forgery is in Hebrew, they have gulled “Noahides,” “Christian” Zionists, and even Protestants.

    At the time of Jesus Christ’s Incarnation, there was no complete Hebrew Bible. Ironically the only complete Bible (Old Testament) for the Israelites at the time of Jesus was the Greek Septuagint, a Greek translation authorized and compiled in about 250 B.C. by the 72 rabbis of the Sanhedrin, the official Jewish court. After Christ and the destruction of Jerusalem, the Christ-hating Masorete Jews concocted a phony “Hebrew Bible” revising the prophesies hoping to de-throne Jesus Christ.

    “The compiler Akiba ben Yosef (aka Rabbi Akiva) drew up the canon which would became the Tanakh in A.D. 95. He believed that the messiah wasn’t Jesus the Christ but a man named Bar Kochba. In his [fake] Torah he included the rabbi-created Halakahic laws and set out to destroy the credibility of the Gospels. This text ultimately became the Hebrew Bible or Masoretic Text when it was codified by Aaron Ben Asher in the A.D. 10th century (https://www.haaretz.com/life/books/1.5146396 ] and was latter given the stamp of sacred authorization by none other than the anti-Catholic, Maimonides!”
    https://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2019/01/fresh-off-drukn-bible-of-friendship.html

    Four lines of evidence confirm that the Septuagint is authentic and the Masoretic “Hebrew Bible” is a post-Christian fraud:
    (1) The authenticity of the Septuagint, authorized and translated by the Sanhedrin about 250 B.C.
    (2) The Dead Sea scrolls corroborate the Septuagint translation and contradict the “Hebrew Bible.”
    (3) The New Testament quotes from the Old Testament agree with the Septuagint and contradict the “Hebrew Bible.”
    (4) The Syriac Peshitta Bible from the 2nd century A.D. agrees with the Septuagint and contradicts the “Hebrew Bible.”

    Fran, your Tanakh is a fraud.

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  184. geokat62 says:

    Adam Green just posted another video on Bitchute, KABBALAH, CHABAD, & NOAHIDE LAWS EXPOSED!!!


    Wouldn’t mind getting Fran’s critique on this video – e.g., what’s accurate, what isn’t.

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    , @Fran Taubman
  185. anon[210] • Disclaimer says:
    @Al Liguori

    > Tanakh is a fraud.

    Of course it is, which makes the Jew Testament—with its 695 quotations and 4,105 references to the Tanakh—also a fraud.

    How many times do the writers of the New Testament quote the Old Testament? An index in the Jewish New Testament catalogs 695 separate quotations from the books of the Old Testament in the New (Jewish New Testament Publications, Jerusalem, 1989). There are many other passages where the Old Testament is referred to , as in cases where an Old Testament figure is mentioned, but no specific scripture is quoted. Depending on which scholar’s work you examine, the number of quotations and references in the New Testament to the Old may be as high as 4,105.

    The Expositor’s Bible Commentary
    Zondervan, Grand Rapids, 1979, Vol. I, p. 617

    If you think you need “saved,” why can’t you find a White man to save you instead of a suicidal 33 year old virgin Jewish Rabbi—who was quite popular with the Jews in the Synagogues—to get it done for you?

  186. anon[210] • Disclaimer says:
    @geokat62

    > NOAHIDE LAWS

    “Noah, a preacher of righteousness” (2 Peter 2:5)

    You can’t kick Noah to the curb until you’re rid of Jewsus’ cult that wrote the Jew Testament.

  187. anon[210] • Disclaimer says:
    @Al Liguori

    > Jews kill children in ritual murder according to the son of the Chief Rabbi of Rome: http;//www,bloodpassover,com/

    Well, you Jew-worshipers also kill children in ritual murder according to the Jew Testament.

    1 Cor. 5:7 “Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed.”

    You can’t honestly denounce human sacrifice of children until you denounce the Jewish cult formed around worship of the Rabbi Jewsus fictional character portrayed by Jewish storytellers in the Jew Testament.

    Worse yet, the Jew Testament adds the element of Cannibalism and Vampirism. “Take eat, this is my body, Take drink, this is my blood.”

  188. @geokat62

    Geokat,
    I saw this video what do you specifically want to know, other than some clown interpreting Jewish texts that are thousands of years old and have been studied and interpetted for years by people who have studied the text for years, these text are not something that you can pick one line out and draw a total conclusion about.
    So this Adam Green is an intellectual dance. It is like saying those who do not follow the path of Jesus will be condemned to hell, same with Islam.
    They talk about Maimonides who live in 1000 AD, in Egypt he was Saladin’ doctor and Egyptain court.
    What is it that you want to know specifically and I will try and answer it.

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  189. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    They talk about Maimonides who live [sic] in 1000 AD….

    Fran cannot get even the most basic and completely uncontroversial fact correct.

    Maimonides lived not in “1000 AD,” but in the 12th and 13th centuries A.D.

    So much for “high IQ Jews” and Fran has the gall to call Adam Green an “intellectual dance,” whatever that is.

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  190. geokat62 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    So this Adam Green is an intellectual dance…

    Well, while AG may not be a scholar of the highest order, he manages to do an excellent job analyzing primary sources related to Kabbalah, Chabad, and the Noahide Laws.

    He also invites special guests who have done thorough research of these topics, including Jana Ben-Nun, a Jewish woman who converted to Christianity.

    Here’s a video of her explaining What’s in the Talmud:

    What is it that you want to know specifically and I will try and answer it.

    Interested to see whether you agree or disagree with some of her most serious allegations, including:

    If you read the Talmud…and I broke the commandment of Talmud because I’m a woman and I dared to study it. Now, of course, I didn’t study all 6,000 pages but I went through very many pages in English which is actually watered down Talmud… because if you read it in… Hebrew they don’t like to share that one with the world with the true translations because you would be horrified. So they kind of water it down with little English language so it doesn’t sound that quite bad, you know?…
    Christian men are not considered men, rather animal. That’s what I found out, these are my notes, few things I jot down when I was studying… Talmud. Christians are idolaters therefore deserving of death. Christians are unclean beasts. Intercourse of Christians are like that of beasts. Christians were created to serve… and Gentiles, in general, goyim… were created to serve all Jews. Souls of Christians and souls of gentiles originates in evil spirits. Jewish soul is divine…

    Now, let’s continue. Alright, what does Talmud teaches about Christians and gentiles… it is not a sin to kill a Christian. Even the best of goyim should be killed. Make no agreements with Christians. It is ok to behead Christian on a sabbath. Now, you’re going to find out in the Talmud beheading is like a favourite thing… It’s a law of the Talmud to behead the apostates. Extermination of Christians is necessary sacrifice (that one is in Zohar, particularly). Those who do not believe Torah, or Talmud actually, must be killed. Jews who convert to Christianity must be put to death. It is no sin to lie and deceive a Christian…
    God created non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by the beast… non-Jew is, therefore, a human animal, condemned to serve the Jew, day and night.

  191. @Al Liguori

    Maimonides lived at exactly 1135 AD

  192. @geokat62

    All of this is common misinterpretations and pretty shite and light weight interpretations at that.
    I meant to say that this AG guy was a dunce not a dance, I type fast and make errors. I work on my computer doing CAD drawings so I go back and forth too quickly, going on UR is like being absent from my job.
    There are several sites which can help you with this
    http://www.angelfire.com/mt/talmud/
    https://www.aish.com/atr/
    Misquoting_the_Talmud.html

    What I mean about AG is you cannot just skip along with this stuff, it is very time and contextually time sensitive. If you understand the time sequence of Judaism being the first monotheist religion beginning recording about 800 BC, followed by two different reiterations one being Christianity the other being Islam all based on Judaism. The Jews rejected subsequent prophets Jesus and Mohammad, so sparks are going to fly and there is going to be a lot of rejection and separation with guard rails not to get mixed up in the “other” as it was coming along.

    If you study this stuff you would know what a complete tosser AG is. For instance he gets the Noahide Laws and who follows them completely mixed up. Anyone following the Noahide laws is pretty much okay, not to be confused with Jews rejection of Christianity, for Jews at that time it was considered a real betrayal to accept Jesus as the Savior, he was considered a false prophet and to follow him was like following Baal or any ancient god. So when AG discusses the punishment for Jews accepting Christianity it is different then the Romans accepting it. Same with Mohammad.
    Christianity is not considered a religion for Jews to follow, but abiding by the 7 laws and following another religion is in another realm to be dealt with. So it is confusing when discussing the inter Jewish stuff as related to the extra Jewish stuff.

    There are centuries of time passing between writings and thoughts, where there was a tremendous fear being Jewish and a lot of persecution, so the writings at that time reflect an inside Judaism vs. Outside Judaism, there was the Spainish Inquisition when Jews were forced to convert. So there is a lot of built in hysteria, especially after the Romans got a hold of Jesus and Christianity and completely Romanized and made it apart of its existing gods structure. Like the trinity and the virgin birth, the Romanization of Christianity completely divorced it from Judaism, where as the early decibels identified as Jews.
    So during that time there was a very big schism between Jews and Christians. The Jews hanging on for dear life, the Catholic Church turning on the Jews for not accepting Jesus and scorned the Jews as the spoilers the killers of Christ, the enemy. So all writings at that time reflect a hostility towards the Catholic church who according to Jews completely ditched the Jewish fait for a multi god approach, the complete antithetical and monstrous conclusion for them, as it ditched the very foundation of Judaism as separating from false idols to a one god, not the son of god, like Zuse, they romanized the Jewish religion and the Jews were pissed.

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  193. anon[382] • Disclaimer says:

    Gentiles, in general, goyim… were created to serve all Jews? Jew Testament and Talmud agree! “For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews’ spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings.” (Romans 15:27)

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  194. @geokat62

    You have to understand the time that AG is quoting from. Joshua entered Cannon in 1250 BC.
    THINK OF THAT TIME in history, when humans were barbaric. Study Alfred the Great, when Britain was being settled and the battles between the barbaric vikings and the Church of England. Laws were very strict because of the change in the human condition from barbarity to civilization, laws, god, the development of cities and states, treaties, etc.
    When Joshua entered Cannon the 7 countries that God commanded him to destroy were depraved beyond repair, these countries practiced child sacrifice, pedophilia, incest, beastility etc.
    There were sacrifices to gods and idol worship.
    The Jews were the first to start civilization with Ten Commandments, the one god concept and the early ideas that went with that of a divine being not represented in clay form. Also were the rules for sexual practices and the beginning of the Judicial process.
    So my point being during the beginning stages of civilization from barbarity, there were strict laws for mingling with these tribes, sexual relations with these “others” was forbidden, like I said the Jews were not the only civilized tribe separating from barbaric ones, check out history at that time.
    Life was rough. That is what is meant by a non Jews during those times.
    When other countries started to behave in a civilized manner as reflected in accepting the Noahide Laws rules changed, and loosened up. The rules regarding Christians is another story.

  195. AaronB says:
    @geokat62

    The Talmud is not just a religious book – it is a record of the intellectual life of the Jewish people, of the speculations, theories, observations, strange notions and fancies, and thoughts of centuries of Jews, as well as, of course, religion and spirituality, and practical religious rulings on day to day matters.

    You must remember – pre-scientific cultures did not clearly demarcate between intellectual disciplines, like the modern world does. There was no separate books devoted to anthropology, say.

    The Talmud frequently records disputes with no resolution, left hanging, opinions that are not authoritative, and in many cases opposite opinions are expressed and both accorded some level of authority.

    It is a repository of centuries of cultural life as well as a religious document.

    The “kill even the best of the gentiles” remark does not occur as a religious teaching, God forbid, and it is also not meant as a general remark to be applied in all cases – rather, it is a parable, and the lesson is similar to “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”.

    The remark occurs in a discussion of the exodus from Egypt, where it appears that the righteous Egyptians who were spared nevertheless assisted in the efforts to capture the Israelites – so the lesson is, in certain specific situations, good intentions can be dangerous.

    That’s the idea here – good intentions can sometimes lead to bad outcomes. It’s a lesson every culture expresses in parable form.

    Now, Christianity of course has many “hard sayings” that if interpreted literally and out of context can make Jesus look horrible – such as, “I bring a sword, not peace”, or “I set every man against his father and mother”, etc, etc. There are many more.

    Shall we interpret these out of context and literally?

    We would be dishonest fools if we did!

    Religious and poetic documents cannot be interpreted the way a scientific paper might – with each statement completely literal, and not depending on context.

    • Troll: Al Liguori
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  196. geokat62 says:
    @AaronB

    The “kill even the best of the gentiles” remark does not occur as a religious teaching, God forbid, and it is also not meant as a general remark to be applied in all cases – rather, it is a parable, and the lesson is similar to “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”.

    Okay, okay. Perhaps this remark has been taken out of context. But what do you make of the work of two respected Jewish professors, Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky and their book, Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel?

    Excerpt from Why is the US Honoring a Racist Rabbi?:

    However, there is also a less attractive underside often at odds with such public perceptions. And some of the more extreme parts of Schneerson’s teachings – such as that Jews are a completely different species than non-Jews, and that non-Jews exist only to serve Jews – have been largely hidden, it appears, even from many who consider themselves his followers.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2014/04/07/why-is-the-us-honoring-a-racist-rabbi/

    How unattractive? Take a look:

    [MORE]

    Some of Schneerson’s rarely reported teachings:

    “The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from the common expression: “Let us differentiate.” Thus, we do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather, we have a case of “let us differentiate” between totally different species.”

    “This is what needs to be said about the body: the body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of [members] of all nations of the world … The difference in the inner quality between Jews and non-Jews is “so great that the bodies should be considered as completely different species.”

    “An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness.”

    “As has been explained, an embryo is called a human being, because it has both body and soul. Thus, the difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish embryo can be understood.”

    “…the general difference between Jews and non-Jews: A Jew was not created as a means for some [other] purpose; he himself is the purpose, since the substance of all [divine] emanations was created only to serve the Jews.”

    “The important things are the Jews, because they do not exist for any [other] aim; they themselves are [the divine] aim.”

    “The entire creation [of a non-Jew] exists only for the sake of the Jews.”

  197. AaronB says:
    @geokat62

    I would have to look into it to see of this was taken out of context and what his general views were.

    I don’t know enough about him.

    However, I fully accept that there may be Rabbis who give perverted and corrupt teachings, and even entire generations of Jews have been wicked, as the Bible shows.

    But what religion does not have its corruptions? Was the Bishop who famously ordereded Catholics and Albigensians killed killed during the taking of a town acting in the spirit of Jesus Christ?

    What is abundantly plain is that your quotes go against the essential spirit of Judaism – what is the point of being a “light unto the nations” if the “nations” have Satanic souls and are a different species? What’s the whole point of Tikkun Olam?

    The whole mission of the Jews means God cares about the gentiles tremendously.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  198. @anon

    FALSE

    Judaism maintains that the righteous of all nations have a place in the world to come. This has been the majority rule since the days of the Talmud. Judaism generally recognizes that Christians and Moslems worship the same G-d that we do and those who follow the tenets of their religions can be considered righteous in the eyes of G-d.

    Contrary to popular belief, Judaism does not maintain that Jews are better than other people. Although we refer to ourselves as G-d’s chosen people, we do not believe that G-d chose the Jews because of any inherent superiority. According to the Talmud (Avodah Zarah 2b), G-d offered the Torah to all the nations of the earth, and the Jews were the only ones who accepted it. The story goes on to say that the Jews were offered the Torah last, and accepted it only because G-d held a mountain over their heads! (In Ex. 19:17, the words generally translated as “at the foot of the mountain” literally mean “underneath the mountain”!) Another traditional story suggests that G-d chose the Jewish nation because they were the lowliest of nations, and their success would be attributed to G-d’s might rather than their own ability. Clearly, these are not the ideas of a people who think they are better than other nations.

  199. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Fran is a habitual liar—Follow her posts and see how her pattern follows the playbook of the habitual liars (below). AaronB is starting to follow the same ploys. Fran has been using the lies developed in the centuries after the rabbis skulked away from the Disputations of Paris and Tortosa without any defense of the horrifying content of the Jewish “holy” books. They were caught flat-footed and slack-jawed by their books and the testimony of sincere converts like Nicholas Donin. They had no “Bronze Age,” “series of debates without a real conclusion,” “context,” “misinterpretations,” excuses. The excuses were contrived centuries later and their vernacular translations substituted codes words of Jesus of Nazareth and for Christians. Her source, the Aish Rabbi, has a website full of the standard deceits and packaged with voluminous esoteric blather that is easily discredited and that is not exculpatory. It is a “baffle the Gentiles with bullsh*t” ploy.

    An example. When I challenged Fran regarding “Kill even the best of the Gentiles,” she had no excuse until she went to the Aish site and then came back with his nonsense that the reference applied only to some Bronze Age Egyptians. That lie is easily exposed when one examines Maimonides’ Mishneh Torah from the late 12th century A.D. more than a millennium after Fran’s/Aish rabbi’s “Bronze Age” lie. Maimonides places no restriction on “Kill even the best of Gentiles” except that it “applies in a time of War or when the Jews have control over the Gentiles.” Worse for Fran’s/Aish rabbi’s ridiculous “Bronze Age” lie is that Fran’s own sect, Chabad, reported Maimonides’ “war/Jews control Gentiles” conditions, but not one word about “Bronze Age” Egyptians (posted previously by me in this thread). Further, the Israeli press reports regularly on the CONTEMPORARY rabbis who promote “Kill even the best of Gentiles” including “babies.” The Israeli government funds Rabbi Shapira who has recently published his second volume of his Torat Ha’amelch, a genocidal tome that even the Israeli press dubbed “The Complete Guide to Killing Non-Jews.” So, we have 12-13th century Maimonides, contemporary rabbis, and the Israeli press contradicting Fran’s/Aish rabbi’s bold “”Bronze Age” lie.

    The evidence through the centuries from the Jews themselves shows a consistent pattern of genocidal and anti-Christ exhortations that is not restricted in any way except one—when they think they have enough power to get away with it. Another example. In the 1990’s they got cocky and got caught. Steinsalz’s translation of the Talmud, dropped the code words for Jesus and for Christians and so the explicit translations generated such horror and anger that publication of the Steinsaltz translation of the Talmud was ceased. The Jewish director of Princeton’s Jewish Studies Program details many of the deceits used by the Jews through the ages. Details here: http://judaism.is/jesus-in-the-talmud.html

  200. @geokat62

    I have never heard these thoughts from Chabad, or Kabbalah or attributed to Rabbi Schneerson.
    One thing I do observe, is the medieval rivalry between the Catholic Church and the European Jews was very scary and derogatory towards the Jews who they think killed and rejected Christ as the savior.
    The accusations of blood libel, and the ritual killing of Christian children, well poisoning, have all been taken over by modern day Islam. These are claims that Muslims make towards Jews, the ancient medieval ones that Christians used to harbor, which oddly enough was non existent between muslims and Jews during those times in history.
    With time passing and after the war and Vatican 2, the Jews and Christians pretty much healed their differences, and in a modern way each understands the threat from the other and what was behind it.
    Most Christians are pro Jewish and pro Israel, especially the non Catholic Christians.

  201. @geokat62

    There is nothing out of context about “Kill even the best of the Gentiles.”

    From the “Oral Torah” (includes the Talmud and Kabbala) though medieval Maimonides to influential, outspoken, contemporary rabbis, the verifiable evidence contradicts the denials of Fran and AaronB. The policies of the Jewish state are in perfect accord with the genocidal fundamentals of Judaism. Jewish “holy” books are pervaded by Jewish supremacism and malevolent exhortations. In most instances there is only one caveat: providing the Jews can get away with the malevolence without any blowback on the Jews.

    Start with Fran’s Chabad sect. Notice what Chabad teaches, then notice how Fran insists that she has never even heard one Jew teach such things.

    מה שאין כן נפשות אומות העולם הן משאר קליפות טמאות שאין בהן טוב כלל
    The souls of the nations of the world, however, emanate from the other, unclean kelipot which contain no good whatever, …
    http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/7880/jewish/Chapter-1.htm

    Chabad’s Rabbi Schneerson taught:

    “The difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish person stems from the common expression: ‘Let us differentiate.’ Thus, we do not have a case of profound change in which a person is merely on a superior level. Rather, we have a case of ‘let us differentiate’ between totally different species.”

    “This is what needs to be said about the body: the body of a Jewish person is of a totally different quality from the body of [members] of all nations of the world … The difference in the inner quality between Jews and non-Jews is so great that the bodies should be considered as completely different species.”

    “An even greater difference exists in regard to the soul. Two contrary types of soul exist, a non-Jewish soul comes from three satanic spheres, while the Jewish soul stems from holiness.”

    “As has been explained, an embryo is called a human being, because it has both body and soul. Thus, the difference between a Jewish and a non-Jewish embryo can be understood.”

    “…the general difference between Jews and non-Jews: A Jew was not created as a means for some [other] purpose; he himself is the purpose, since the substance of all [divine] emanations was created only to serve the Jews.”

    “The important things are the Jews, because they do not exist for any [other] aim; they themselves are [the divine] aim.”

    “The entire creation [of a non-Jew] exists only for the sake of the Jews.”

    Another Chabad rabbi: “If a Jew needs a liver, can you take the liver of an innocent non-Jew passing by to save him? The Torah would probably allow that. Jewish life has an infinite value.”
    Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburgh, quoted in Jewish Fundamentalism in Israel by Prof. Israel Shahak and Norton Mezvinsky, London: Pluto Press, 2004, p. 62

    “The best of the gentiles: kill him; the best of snakes: smash its skull; the best of women: is filled with witchcraft.” Kiddushin 66c The uncensored version of this text appears in Tractate Soferim (New York, M. Higer, 1937), 15:7, p. 282.

    “The seed of the goyim is like an animal.” Sanhedrin 74b

    “All Gentile children are animals.” Yebamoth 98a

    “Gentile sperm leads to barbaric offspring”
    https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4006385,00.html

    “The Jew by his source and in his very essence is entirely good. The goy, by his source and his very essence, is completely evil. This is not simply a matter of religious distinction, but rather of two completely different species.”
    Rabbi Saadya Grama, Romemut Yisrael Ufarashat Hagalut (“Jewish Superiority and the Question of Exile”) 2003.

    “Souls of non-Jews come entirely from the female part of the Satanic sphere. For this reason souls of non-Jews are called evil.” [Yesaiah Tishbi, Torat ha-Rave-ha-Kelippahnbe-Kabbalat ha-Ari (The Theory of Evil and the Satanic Sphere in Kabbalah) 1942, reprinted 1982]

  202. @geokat62

    But I’ll go through the quotes anyhow.

    A. Non-Jews aren’t humans. Keritot 6b.
    There are a handful of specific technical laws in the Bible that pertain to “an adam” which the Talmud interprets as “Jews only”; for a non-Jew we are more lenient. The idea simply is that most of the Torah’s laws were intended for a Jewish audience, so sometimes “an adam” was taken for granted to mean “a Jew.” NOWHERE do we ever find “you can kill/rob/rape/disgrace etc. a non-Jew because they’re not human.” Instead, some technical laws were intended on a focus within the Jewish population. For instance:

    If you use the special formula for Temple oil and apply it to a commoner, not a high priest, you get in really big trouble with G-d. But you only get in really big trouble if you apply it to a Jewish commoner. If you apply the oil to a non-Jew, you don’t get in big trouble. That’s the instance in Keritot 6b. (As for why the distinction: the concern is that you’d try to make everyone “ritually special”, which would make no one ritually special, and would ruin the centralization. This became a problem in Jewish history as seen in the books of Judges and Kings — people would set up their own idolatrous pseudo-Temples wherever they wanted, and find whatever pseudo-priests they could.) The Torah really wasn’t concerned about what non-Jews do with it.
    Suppose a Jewish woman cheats on her husband and has a child from that union. If the “boyfriend” was Jewish, we call the child a mamzer and they’re prohibited from marrying into the mainstream. If the boyfriend wasn’t Jewish, the child is a regular Jew and can marry normally. Again, presumably the Torah was more concerned with what people were more likely to do, which is mess up within their community, and therefore bothered to add a penalty in that case.
    B. Something from Medrish Talpiot
    A non-authoritative work that was done long after the Talmud. I don’t know what it says and frankly I don’t care. You also have to realize that many medieval works were done around the time of the Crusades with massive Christian persecution, so the message many Jews needed to hear to stay alive was an “us good, them bad” one. Update: Fred checked the Midrash Talpiot and couldn’t find this quotation anyhow. Thank you Fred!

    C. Relations with non-Jews. Ketubot 3b.
    Close, but no cigar. It’s not in the Talmud there, but something similar to it appears in one of the commentaries (Tosafot, a family of rabbis in France in the 1100s) there. Again it’s a technical discussion about which penalties apply if someone has relations with someone they shouldn’t (see A above); the Torah was more concerned about applying penalties in the common case, which was people messing up with their neighbors, not a far-away foreigner.

    D. Avoid non-Jews. Orach Chaim “57,6a”
    Orach Chaim is a section of Shulchan Aruch, a work that was done a thousand years after the Talmud. Chapter 57 is a rather cut-and-dry piece about the morning prayers, and it has only two subsections; nothing at all to do with non-Jews here. So I have no idea what this one is about.

    E. Birthrate — Zohar.
    I have no idea. The Zohar was “discovered” in the 1200s. It’s not the Talmud. Fred checked the Zohar anyhow and couldn’t find it. This one also is totally bizarre in light of Deut. 7:7: “It was not because you had greater numbers than all the other nations that God embraced you and chose you; you are among the smallest of all the nations.”

    F. Replacement — “Lore Dea.”
    I think you mean “Yoreh Deah” (and if you’re making mistakes like that, you really don’t know what you’re talking about, do you?) That’s another section of Shulchan Aruch. It’s actually talking about viewing slaves (not “all non-Jews”) as property that should be replaced. It’s a troubling statement, and it falls into the broader question about how Judaism allowed slavery a very long time ago.

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    , @Al Liguori
  203. AaronB says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Suppose a Jewish woman cheats on her husband and has a child from that union. If the “boyfriend” was Jewish, we call the child a mamzer and they’re prohibited from marrying into the mainstream. If the boyfriend wasn’t Jewish, the child is a regular Jew and can marry normally.

    So, the child of two Jewish parents is worse off than the child of a gentile and a Jewish parent.

    If anything, this favors gentiles.

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  204. @AaronB

    I would have to look into it to see of this was taken out of context…

    HYPOTHETICAL:

    “Kill even the best of Jews,”
    “Jews are a different species with satanic souls of animals,”
    “Only Gentiles are human,”

    What “context” or other excuse would you accept from a Gentile?

    Would you excuse the Gentiles who put those hypotheticals into action?

    What would you think about Gentiles who advanced excuses for the hypotheticals?

  205. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    NOWHERE do we ever find “you can kill/rob/rape/disgrace etc. a non-Jew because they’re not human.”

    Nowhere? From your Oral Torah, Talmud, Sanhedrin 57a:

    Nowhere? From your Chabad explaining that when a Jew rapes a gentile woman, it is a capital offense, but the woman or child victim (if she is above the age of 3), is the one to be executed:

    9 When a gentile engages in relations with a Jewish woman, if she is married, he should be executed. If she is single, he is not executed.
    10 If, by contrast, a Jewish male enters into relations with a gentile woman, when he does so intentionally, she should be executed. She is executed because she caused a Jew to be involved in an unseemly transgression, as [is the law with regard to] an animal. [This applies regardless of] whether the gentile women was a minor of three years of age,* or an adult, whether she was single or married. And it applies even if [the Jew] was a minor of nine years old, [she is executed].

    * If, however, she is younger than three, the relations are not considered significant.

    Maimonides, Mishneh Torah, Issurei Biah – Chapter Twelve, §9 & 10
    https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/960660/jewish/Issurei-Biah-Chapter-Twelve.htm

    Because…

  206. @AaronB

    It is all more disparaging against the failure of Jews to living up then to the gentiles. The Scheerson stuff is just BS.

  207. geokat62 says:

    It appears that Pastor Chuck Baldwin never received the Vatican II memo:

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    , @Fran Taubman
  208. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @geokat62

    Geokat, since you mentioned “Vatican 2.” — The early Church survived in the catacombs, so too will the End Times Church be in the catacombs, if only metaphorically. The diabolical infiltration of the Church accelerated covertly in the 14th century Renaissance—truly a “Renaissance” or “Rebirth” of Babylonian, Egyptian, Roman and Grecian Paganism, Occultism, Kabbalism, the theurgy of “Hermes Trismegistus.” Change agents like Pico Mirandolla, Johannes Reuchlin, Marsilio Ficino, Niccolò Machiavelli, and others attempted to baptize Kabbalism and other paganism as compatible with Christianity. Opponents were marginalized, even excommunicated by the infamously promiscuous and Judaizing “Borgia Pope” Alexander VI. He hanged, burned and scattered the ashes of that faithful, moral, and zealous Italian Dominican Friar Girolamo Savonarola (burned 1498 A.D.). This rebirth of paganism was covertly nurtured under the protection and funding of the Medici usurers and other Judaizing Popes such as Pope Leo X. Leo X’s pontificate straddled the 15th and 16th centuries. That second son of the Florentine ruler “Lorenzo the Magnificent” was the Medici publisher of the most decorative Talmud ever. Such covert infiltration grew and so thoroughly processed the hierarchy and the laity that, five centuries later, the overt Judeo-Luciferian revolution in the Church, the illegitimate “Second Vatican Council,” was little resisted by the mostly stunned and falsely obedient bishops, priests, laity.

    The outcome was the Novus Ordo, a “New Order” of religion that is Catholic in name only while entirely Judeo-Luciferian at its roots, complete with a treacherous lineage of anti-Popes, including the devil currently “subsisting in” the Chair of Peter.

  209. @geokat62

    Yep if hate could talk, the Vatican 2 was for Catholics, he is not a Catholic.
    But thanks for posting, and showing that Jew hatred in a nut shell.
    What Pastor Chuck Baldwin forgets is that Jesus was a Jew claiming to be the biblical Messiah, which is listed in prophecies as having a specific set of criteria.
    The number one fundamental premise of Judaism is the one god, it specifically states that the Messiah would be a man NOT A GOD.
    Judaism reserves the right to decide who fulfills the biblical prophecy, it is their prophecy and Jesus was a Jew making claims.
    What is lost in the story, and what I believe is that Jesus might have been a prophet, maybe not the Messiah, but something in-between. Jesus never claimed to be the son of God, never claimed in the virgin birth and the trinity, all of those gods are false to Jews since it goes against the Prima facia one god, no god can be represented by images, like Christ on the Cross of the Catholic church, etc.
    Once Rome got a hold of the Christ narrative, it pretty much ditched and condemned Judaism to separate the Romanization of Christ to be a god amongst their gods. Like Christmas is the Roman celebration of Saturnalia. Look it up.

    To understand the origins of Judaism is to understand the antithetical nature that Christianity became to Judaism.
    Most of Christianity and most of Judaism sans this nut job hatter Baldwin have come to a truce of one way or another, and most of Christianity has ditched Catholicism and all of its dogma.
    The two religions are more esoterically related.

    But Baldwin is correct the Jews reject Christ completely.

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  210. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    You have repeatedly revealed that you don’t know (or you choose to lie about) your own Jewish religion, so nobody is surprised that you are even more ignorant of other religions. Having no factual rebuttal, you deal in subjectivity, lies, and emotionalism.

    Remember this guy porking the goddess Shekinah??? He is prima facie evidence that Judaism is neither monotheistic nor unitarian.

    Judaism reserves the right to decide who fulfills the biblical prophecy…

    By now it is clear to all of us how Jews reserve the “right” to “defeat” God (Bava Metzia 59b)… even to the point of re-writing the Old Testament prophesies for a millennium in hopes of dethroning Jesus Christ, True God and True Man, Second Person of the Holy Trinity, the Trinity being revealed even in the Old Testament. http://judaism.is/hebrew-bible.html

    The Trinity in the Old Testament: http://judaism.is/hating-the-holy-trinity.html

    Jesus never claimed to be the son of God…

    Never? “I and the Father are one.” John 10:30

    You’re sure? Never? “And he that seeth me, seeth him that sent me.” John 12:45

    To understand the origins of Judaism is to understand the antithetical nature that Christianity became to Judaism.

    Expectedly you have the chronology ass backwards. Talmudic Judaism followed Christianity chronologically. Your rabbis reveal your ignorance: “Pharisaism became Talmudism, Talmudism became Medieval Rabbinism, and Medieval Rabbinism became Modern Rabbinism.” Rabbi Dr. Finkelstein, The Pharisees: The Sociological Background of Their Faith, The Jewish Publication Society of America (1946) p. xxi

    no god can be represented by images

    Because you say so? Do you have an English dictionary and grammar?

    Christmas is the Roman celebration of Saturnalia.

    Wrong again: http://judaism.is/christmas-is-pagan.html
    Judaism is pagan: http://judaism.is/paganism.html (updated today with more information on your satanic Kabbala)

    I’ll say this, Fran, you defy the odds. Just by sheer blind luck you should have gotten at least one thing correct in the last 2 weeks, but you haven’t. Statistically it cannot be an accident that you are always wrong. LIAR.

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  211. @Al Liguori

    ‘…I’ll say this, Fran, you defy the odds. Just by sheer blind luck you should have gotten at least one thing correct in the last 2 weeks, but you haven’t. Statistically it cannot be an accident that you are always wrong. ‘

    Maybe this is because what Fran needs to be true is the opposite of what is true.

    • Agree: Al Liguori
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