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Now would be the correct time for Ali Abunimah, JVP, & CO to form an orderly queue to issue their deep and sincere apology to me. Since the early 2000s my detractors within the so called Jewish ‘Left’ together with their sometime stooges, have been harassing me, my publishers and my readers for pointing out that Zionism is an obsolete concept with little meaning for Israel, Israelis and their politics let alone the conflict that has been destroying the Eastern Mediterranean region

In my 2011 book The Wandering Who, I argue that “Since Israel defines itself openly as the ‘Jewish State’, we should ask what the notions of ’Judaism’, ‘Jewishness’, ‘Jewish culture’ and ‘Jewish ideology’ stand for.” Just before the publication of the book I was urged by both JVP’s leader and Ali Abunimah to drop the J-Word and focus solely on Zionism. In Britain, a gang of so called ‘anti’ Zionist Jews relentlessly terrorised my publisher and promoters. Funny, most of these authoritarian tribals who worked 24/7 to silence me have been expelled from the British Labour Party for alleged anti-Semitism. Now, they promote the ideal of ‘freedom of speech.’

In ‘The Wandering Who’ and in the years preceding its publication, I realised that the Palestinian solidarity discourse has been suffocated with misleading and often duplicitous terminology that was set to divert attention from the root cause of the conflict and that acted to prevent intelligible discussion of possible solutions.

Let’s face it. Israel doesn’t see itself as the Zionist State: not one Israeli party integrated the word ‘Zionism’ into its name. To Israelis, Zionism is a dated and clichéd concept that describes the ideology that promised to erect a Jewish homeland in Palestine. For Israelis, Zionism fulfilled its purpose in 1948, it is now an archaic term. In ‘The Wandering Who’ I presented a so-far unrefuted argument that an understanding of ‘Jewishness’, a term familiar to every self-identified Jew, may provide answers to most questions related to Israel and its politics. It may also help us to grasp the fake dissent that has dominated the so- called Jewish ‘anti’ Zionist campaign for the last two decades.

Though I was probably the first to write about the crucial shift in Israeli society in favour of Judeo-centrism, this shift is now mainstream news. Haaretz’s lead writer, Anshel Pfeffer, just wrote a spectacular analysis of this transformation. Pfeffer’s view is that Israelis are going to the polls this Tuesday to decide whether they are “Jews” or “Israelis.”

According to Pfeffer, in the mid 1990s it was Netanyahu’s American campaign guru, Arthur Finkelstein, who promoted “a message that could reach secular and religious voters alike. In his polling, he had asked voters whether they considered themselves ‘more Jewish’ or ‘more Israeli.’ The results convinced him there was a much larger constituency of voters, not just religious ones, who emphasized their Jewish identity over their Israeli one.”

In light of Finkelstein’s observation, Likud focused its message on Jerusalem. Its campaign slogan was: “Peres will divide Jerusalem.” In the final 48 hours before Election Day there was also “an unofficial slogan, emblazoned on millions of posters and bumper stickers distributed by Chabad Hasidim: “Netanyahu is good for the Jews.”

In a Haaretz interview after his narrow 1996 defeat, Peres lamented that “the Israelis lost the election.” When asked then who had won, he answered, “The Jews won.”

Pfeffer points out that Netanyahu learned from Finkelstein that the “Jew” is the primary unifier for Israelis. This certainly applies to religious Jews but also to those who regard themselves as secular. After all, Israel has really been the “Jewish State” for a while.

This is probably the right place to point out that Netanyahu’s move of locating Jewishness at the heart of Israel is a reversal of the original Zionist promise. While early Zionism was a desperate attempt to divorce the Jews from the ghetto and their tribal obsession and make them “people like all other people,” the present adherence to Jewishness and kinship induces a return to Judeo-centric chauvinism. As odd as this may sound, Netanyahu’s transformation of Israel into a ‘Jewish realm’ makes him an ardent anti Zionist probably more anti Zionist than JVP, Mondoweiss and the BDS together.

Pfeffer points out that when Netanyahu returned to power in 2009 and formed a right-wing/ religious coalition, was when “the Jews prevailed — and have done so ever since in four consecutive elections, including the last one in April 2019.”

To illustrate this Pfeffer cites the 2012 Israeli High Court of Justice decision to deny a petition by writer Yoram Kaniuk and others to allow themselves to be registered solely as ‘Israelis’ as opposed to ‘Jews.’

Every so often we hear from one Torah rabbi or another that “Zionism is not Judaism.” Those who have reached this point surely grasp that ‘Zionism vs. Judaism’ is a fake dichotomy. It serves to confuse and to divert questioning minds from the path toward an understanding of the conflict: In Israel Zionism is an empty concept, politically, ideologically and spiritually. Israel defines itself as ‘The Jewish state’ and orthodox rabbis are at the centre of this transition in Israeli politics and life.

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I guess that Abunimah and JVP were desperate to silence me at the time as they foolishly believed that shooting the messenger or alternatively burning books was the way forward for human rights activism. I stood firm. The observations I produced in ‘The Wandering Who’ were endorsed by the most profound thinkers associated with the conflict and the anti war movement. My observations are more relevant than ever and in Israel they have entered mainstream analysis. When it comes to Palestine solidarity we have managed to waste a good two decades of intellectual progress thanks to authoritarian lobbies operating in our midst. For truth and justice to prevail, we have to learn to speak the truth as we see it, and to accept JVP and Abumimah’s apologies when they are mature enough to come clean.

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. The main problem with Brexiteers is that most of them are typical pro-USA, pro-Israel warmongering types. The sort of people who believe the USA is still run by WASPs and the Zionists are their friends.

    The sort of people who practically demand war in the Middle East and then complain when Muslim refugees turn up in their countries, they seem to fundamentally lack the IQ to understand the link between war and displacing people.

    • Replies: @Morris L
  2. It is more accurate to call them Talmudists and not Jews. Jew is a recent abbreviation of Judean. The religion of fake Jews for the last 2000 years has been Talmudism. Real Jews have been called Christians for the last 2000 years. The stupid Bible translators still translate it wrong. Anyone who knows Greek can see this.

    • Agree: Miggle
    • Replies: @anon
    , @KindKaiser
  3. While the Trump Administration seems to be cozying up to America’s Jewish voters, here is an article that outlines what American Jews really think of Donald Trump and his leadership:

    https://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2019/06/americas-jews-on-trump-administration.html

    Washington would seem to be on the wrong track when it comes to the U.S. Jewish community.

    • Replies: @Hrw-500
    , @Tsigantes
  4. This is probably the right place to point out that Netanyahu’s move of locating Jewishness at the heart of Israel is a reversal of the original Zionist promise. While early Zionism was a desperate attempt to divorce the Jews from the ghetto and their tribal obsession and make them “people like all other people,” the present adherence to Jewishness and kinship induces a return to Judeo-centric chauvinism. As odd as this may sound, Netanyahu’s transformation of Israel into a ‘Jewish realm’ makes him an ardent anti Zionist probably more anti Zionist than JVP, Mondoweiss and the BDS together.

    Jews ain’t never gonna be divorced from their “tribal obsessions.”

    Jews ain’t ever going to consider themselves “people like all other people.”

    Jews ain’t never stopped riding on the “Judeo-centric chauvinism” train.

    Netty-Yahoo didn’t need to transform Israel into a “Jewish realm” because it always was one.

    All I care about is that the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire is attacking and killing the United States of America using mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration as demographic weapons.

    All I care about is that diasporan Jews are using mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration as demographic weapons to attack and kill European Christian nations such as England, Australia, Italy, Germany, France, Canada, Spain, Denmark and many, many other European Christian nations.

    All I care about is that the JEW/WASP ruling class of the American Empire is using the US military as muscle to fight wars on behalf of Israel. The US military should be used to advance the foreign policy interests of the USA. The US military shouldn’t be used to advance the foreign policy interests of Israel.

    THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA FIRST!

    EUROPEAN CHRISTENDOM FIRST!

    • Replies: @Tsigantes
  5. Jewish identity is more than 2000 years old.
    Israeli identity is about 140 years old (start counting since the new Yishuv emerged).
    The latter will not easily replace nor erase the former.
    However, the two identities most of the time reside together, side by side, in the heart of the Israeli Jew. But that’s truly an individual thing.

    The dichotomy of Israeli vs Jew is rhetoric from the Israeli radical-left.
    Funny to see it adopted by alt-rightists on this website.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  6. anarchyst says:

    It’s not “smarts” or “IQ” that gives jews an advantage over gentile whites, but is their rabid insistence on cultural and social cohesiveness, insularity and nepotism (but only for themselves) that gives them an “advantage”.

    This same cultural and social cohesiveness that is prized so highly by jewish interests is denied to gentile whites.

    Jews, to a man will fight to deny this same cultural and social cohesiveness to gentile whites that they themselves enjoy as it is a major part of the jewish purpose–the destruction of gentile white culture, which IS superior to any jewish cultural or social society.

    If jews did not possess this power, they would most likely be rag merchants, liquor merchants, or furniture merchants–nothing more.

    As I have previously stated, jewish success is based on cultural and social cohesiveness and insularity–NOT “smarts” or “IQ”.

    Once enough jews get into a position of power in the work world or education systems, they will hire and promote their own, even bypassing more qualified gentile white candidates.

    Jews have latched on to cultural cohesiveness and nepotism, as it serves their purpose exceedingly well.

    At the same time, jews pushed the concept of racial “equality”, (but only for gentile whites), backing it up with “civil-rights” and “equal accommodation” laws which are enforced by governments–but only against whites.

    These “civil-rights” laws are used as a “battering ram” against gentile whites to diffuse and fragment any semblance of gentile white solidarity and cohesiveness that may arise.

    A great reckoning dealing with the jews is coming. As gentile whites become more marginalized, the accusation of being tagged as “racist” or a “holocaust denier” is rapidly losing its “sting”.

    Increasingly, jews are more wary of being “called out” and recognized as “jews”.

    One can call a jew a shyster, shylock, bankster, criminal or ne-er-do-well, and it will roll off his back like water off a duck, BUT call a jew a “jew”, and he will recoil in horror, having been “found out”.

    This is why most prominent jews change their names–they want to hide among the gentiles.

  7. anon[683] • Disclaimer says:
    @Dennis Gannon

    > Real Jews have been called Christians

    !!! You have said it yourself. Now tell me, why would any White man want to be a Jew, real or not? What is the benefit of a White man being a “Real Jew?”

    • Replies: @Tsigantes
  8. CMC says:

    I just binge watched the first 6 episodes of HBO’s ‘Our Boys’ this weekend. Good show, btw. And yeah, I think you’re right. I can’t remember one use of the term ‘zionist.’ As far as I recall, it was all Jews and Arabs —good Jews, real Jews, true Jews. And a lot of mention of ashkenazi and mizrahi and Chabad. Like zero on Zionist or Zionism. ‘Course it was all translated and captioned from Hebrew and Arabic and I don’t understand either, but still, a bit of pop culture data supporting your argument imho.

  9. Vox Ratio says:
    @anarchyst

    Care to provide any proof for your assertions?

    • Replies: @mikemikev
    , @anarchyst
  10. mikemikev says:
    @Vox Ratio

    It’s been done ad nauseum. Try looking into it.

  11. @anarchyst

    What makes White society more superior than Jewish society?

    Whites are hated all over the world by all other races, and they were kicked out from every non-White country ever hosted them.

    I think Whites are overrated, honestly.

  12. Sean says:

    Good point about Zionism being a thing of the past because it was all about getting a people a state. Yet one can’t help noticing that the Palestinians long for a state. Is it only such a bad thing when Jews identify the nation with the state?

    While early Zionism was a desperate attempt to divorce the Jews from the ghetto and their tribal obsession and make them “people like all other people,” the present adherence to Jewishness and kinship induces a return to Judeo-centric chauvinism.

    Not really because the state is not the nation. Of course one can object to nationalist feeling, but as Theresa May put it ‘if you believe you’re a citizen of the world, you’re a citizen of nowhere’.

  13. anarchyst says:
    @Vox Ratio

    It’s the JEWS…it’s always the JEWS…

    Our present situation and the devolving into the morass of “multiculturalism” and “diversity” is no accident. The jewish talmud and that jewish invention-communism has “rules” for the debasement of (white) civil society.

    [MORE]

    The following statements are a result of personal experiences–your mileage may vary…

    I came of age during the first so-called “civil-rights” movement and saw for myself the underhanded dealings, the demonization of decent, law-abiding whites, and in general, the deterioration of civil society.

    Almost all of the “civil-rights” workers and demonstration “handlers” were of one persuasion–New York based leftist communist jews. They cared not one wit about true “civil rights”, but were there to create hate and discontent among their black charges (who were too stupid or naive to see that they were being used to suborn and destroy legitimate government and society–a favorite communist tactic).

    These New York-based “carpetbaggers” fomented their hate and discontent, only to become future “civil-rights” attorneys, race-hustlers, and America-hating leftist communists…and the ADL and $PLC being invented.

    Those of us whites who were in the middle of this “civil-rights” revolution had a saying: “Behind every negro, there is a jew”. No truer words were spoken.

    Let’s not forget their infestation of the nation’s education and entertainment systems, (which continues to the present day), in which they can spread their jewish supremacist poison.

    The so-called “non-violent civil-rights demonstrations” were anything but “non-violent”. Robberies, rapes, and other criminal acts were common, but never reported, as even the “mainstream media” was “in on the game” and conveniently turned off their cameras during the acts of violence. You see, even then,”creating crises” was a part of the agenda.

    The “beginning of the end” of America was the use of federal troops against white Americans, which, in itself was a violation of “posse comitatus”–the prohibition on the use of federal troops for domestic “law enforcement” purposes. As most whites were (and still are) law-abiding, they (we) were “steamrollered” by the use of federal troops to crush honest dissent. We never recovered from those unconstitutional actions. It was all downhill from there…

    The next step may be “civil-war” in which us whites will have to take back our birthright by force.

  14. renfro says:

    the “Jew” is the primary unifier for Israelis. This certainly applies to religious Jews but also to those who regard themselves as secular.

    Of course.
    No one has ever heard a Zionist ‘calling on all Zionist to unite for Israel.’…its always..”calling on all Jews’.

  15. renfro says:

    While early Zionism was a desperate attempt to divorce the Jews from the ghetto and their tribal obsession and make them “people like all other people,”

    Zionist wanting to make Jews ‘like all other people’ by giving them a Jew ruled only state to get away from non Jews is as contradictory as ‘Israel is Jewish and Democratic.’

    You’re never going to find logical thinking in Jews.

  16. I’m afraid you’ve lost me with this one. Let’s start with this:

    ‘…While early Zionism was a desperate attempt to divorce the Jews from the ghetto and their tribal obsession and make them “people like all other people,” the present adherence to Jewishness and kinship induces a return to Judeo-centric chauvinism…’

    I’m afraid I don’t see the distinction. As I mentioned a while back, I see Zionism as the Jewish response to the racial nationalism that dominated thinking in Europe in the second half of the nineteenth century. There were Frenchmen, and they had France. There were Germans, and they had Germany. There were Greeks, and they had Greece. There were Jews, and they should have a Jewish state.

    In all of these, the nation, its land, and the ethnic entity that was its people were perceived as indivisible — and in point of fact, many previously amiably accepted ethnic minorities found themselves persecuted in consequence. The Poles under Prussian rule are an example: perfectly welcome in Frederick the Great’s Prussia, but repeatedly targeted in Wilhelmine Germany.

    It had become nonsense to speak of a ‘German’ who wasn’t German by birth, a Turk who wasn’t Turkish, etc, etc. So how would Zionism — the Jewish equivalent of all this — be distinct from ‘Judeo-centric chauvinism’? And indeed, in the new dispensation, Jews were forced to choose between assimilation and Zionism; they could be ‘Hungarians (or whatever) of the Mosaic faith’ or they could be Zionists — the traditional Jewish identity had become obsolete.

    What form could ‘Judeo-centric chauvinism’ have taken but Zionism? Aren’t the two one and the same?

  17. Hrw-500 says:
    @Sally Snyder

    Just in case if that blog post is deleted. Some copies are saved on the Wayback Machine and Archive.today.
    https://web.archive.org/web/20190916205250/https://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2019/06/americas-jews-on-trump-administration.html
    http://archive.fo/7sPhG

    And Jews vs. Israelis reminds me of this video made by Nina Paley.

    • Replies: @Skeptikal
  18. Truth3 says:

    Yes indeed. Jews ARE the problem.

    Zionism is a code word at best, a smokescreen at worst.

    Time to demand that Jews leave all the nations they inhabit, and go where they are legitimately entitled to a homeland.

    Birobidjan.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @bjondo
  19. Lochearn says:

    Thanks Gilad for your courageous work. I think we should always remember the ordinary Jews, the grocers, the tailors, and all the others who have lived ordinary lives and suffered due to the activities of their elites. We should remember the radical Jews and the artists like Cohen, Dylan and Lou Reid to mention just a few. I could make a case that the English elites have caused just as much trouble as elite Jews. In fact, it was the meeting of English and Jewish elites that created the British empire.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  20. @Truth3

    ‘Birobidjan’

    A tad cruel, don’t you think?

    Unlike some of our more firmly anti-semitic posters, I don’t see Jews as uniquely demonic — in fact, if I may be allowed a Blue Lagoon digression, two of my eligible co-stars are Jewesses from my youth.

    It’s really just that Israel is unfortunate. Everything else is merely an observation. It doesn’t especially upset me if Jews rather than Armenians dominate Hollywood. So fucking what?

    Israel aside.

  21. Skeptikal says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    “The dichotomy of Israeli vs Jew is rhetoric from the Israeli radical-left.”

    well, perhaps the survey cited was invalid—the one concerning how Jews/Israelis self-identified.

    ASAIK the original Zionist idea, or the most powerful version of it in the 20th century, was Jabotinsky’s Revisionist Zionism, which was a secular movement.

    If no one in Israel any longer gives even lip service to this concept, then that is indeed a big change. And, we have read at this site and elsewhere of the takeover of the Israeli state by the orthodox. Pushback on this explains the stance of Avigdor Liberman and his party members. Many of which are Russian jews who do not want to support their orthodox countrymen and -women, who are becoming demographically overrepresented but will not serve in the armed forces, etc.These issues were written about at this site recently. I think under the title “the End of Israel.”

    Certainly that contributoin suggests that what it means to be a Jew/Israeli is changing and that it is the Israeli “left” that is trying to maintain some kind of image of a secular Jew who is an Israeli citizen, but is going against the contemporary flow in this effort.

  22. Skeptikal says:
    @Sean

    Yah, but,
    Jews do live in particular countries but to a great extent see themselves as citizens of a completely different country, not the one where they live, pay taxes, etc.

  23. Skeptikal says:
    @Colin Wright

    “they could be ‘Hungarians (or whatever) of the Mosaic faith’ or they could be Zionists”

    What is the problem here?
    The problem is that people who could have been Jewish Germans or Jewish Hungarians or Jewish Italians etc. never did become that. And those terms were never used. The term “Jew” was always used in second position, indicating a religion, not a nationality (cf. Italian Americans vs. American Catholics).

    Jews always wanted to have it both ways—or switch back and forth, depending on the immediate advantage. they themselves could never figure out what they were: members of a religion, or members of a “tribe” or “people.” And neither could anyone else.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  24. Skeptikal says:
    @Hrw-500

    Brilliant. I had seen this, but it is worth more than one view!

    • Replies: @Tsigantes
  25. @Sean

    ‘Good point about Zionism being a thing of the past because it was all about getting a people a state. Yet one can’t help noticing that the Palestinians long for a state. Is it only such a bad thing when Jews identify the nation with the state?’

    The difficulty, of course, Sean (as you know perfectly well) comes when the Jews decide to plonk that state in a land already amply populated by its rightful inhabitants.

    …so yes, it is such a bad thing. Too bad it wasn’t actually ‘a land without a people for a people without a land.’ If that had been even approximately the truth, we wouldn’t have this festering wound we have today.

    • Replies: @Sean
  26. Saggy says: • Website

    In my 2011 book The Wandering Who, I argue that “Since Israel defines itself openly as the ‘Jewish State’, we should ask what the notions of ’Judaism’, ‘Jewishness’, ‘Jewish culture’ and ‘Jewish ideology’ stand for.

    This is complete bullshit and nothing more than Jewish navel-gazing. The whole article is Jewish sophistry pretending to be some sort of analysis that no one but a Jew could possibly pretend to understand. Pure drivel, at best.

  27. Gilad this article is more full of gobbly gook then most of your writing.

    First you write about Zionism and the “J” word as if time stood still and nothing changed in the ME and the Arab world from 1948 until now.

    When Zionism was formed it was after the enlightenment when rational thoughts held sway over the supernatural in all religions, But times have changed and people are returning to the supernatural. Muslims as well as Christianity in Eastern Europe and Russia in revolt of global marxist like yourself. Don’t single out Judaism. Early Zionist would be horrified over the recent rise of Hasidism who were considered the superstitious uneducated. Well they are back in fashion. Life if inexplicable.

    You hate Judaism and want to see it defeated. You hate the religion, You feel Judaism causes racism, supremacism, choosiness and in general all degenerate behavior. Wow, have you ever studied Islam?

    But lets get back to Israel.

    Other mitigating factors that have caused Israel to turn into what it is now are:

    Pan Arabism and the Arab spring could not shed dictators or religious extremism. Arab Muslim culture is in taters, and is a failure, nothing to do with the Jews. You cannot discuss all the heinous attributes of Judaism without discussing Islam.

    How does the Dhimmi status of the Jews living in Arab muslim countries fit into your human rights story? While your rail against the human rights abuse of Israel. Just ask the Jewish Persian, Libyan, Egyptian refugees what it was like to be a Jewish citizen of a muslim country. Israel is a Jewish state surrounded by 32 muslim only countries. Stop isolating Israel when you talk about it.

    So here we are and you want to confuse your blind hatred of Judaism the religion, as a call for Palestinian solidarity, and a right of return. No mention of the other side. Your hatred of Judaism is personal, and you stand alone with that. Your bullshit about supremacy and choseness can be applied to any religion. Speech after speech from this sheik to that sheik that we are apes and pigs.

    Jews cannot go to the temple mount to pray, because it might pervert the muslim call to Allah. Yet you support their rituals. I have heard you be tender towards the other’s native customs, especially about women. You just never go there. You are Judo centric, and you want apologies form Zionist who want to keep a Jewish state at the cost of Arab nationalism. Like one is better then the other.

    You cannot separate out Jews and Judaism from Muslims and Islam and blame one and not the other.

    In ‘The Wandering Who’ and in the years preceding its publication, I realised that the Palestinian solidarity discourse has been suffocated with misleading and often duplicitous terminology that was set to divert attention from the root cause of the conflict and that acted to prevent intelligible discussion of possible solutions.

    Bullshit. There is not one root cause, but many starting with Palestinian solitarily as represented by the civil war between Hamas and Fatah. Work that one out.

  28. @Lochearn

    Look at that !
    One Jew hater wants them all in Israel.
    the other Jew hater well has a soft spot for a Jewess so they can stay.
    It is just Israel is the problem !!
    You cannot make this shit up.

    • Replies: @Al Liguori
  29. @Skeptikal

    ‘…The problem is that people who could have been Jewish Germans or Jewish Hungarians or Jewish Italians etc. never did become that…’

    I suspect that this is an optical illusion, so to speak. The Jews who become Jewish ______ shortly cease to be Jews at all — this and that group is eternally discovering they’re actually several percent Jewish, and guess how that happened.

    Jews are indeed eternally leaving the tribe — they get assimilated all the time. It’s just that in doing so, they naturally cease to be identifiably Jewish.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  30. Tsigantes says:
    @Sally Snyder

    Washington would seem to be on the wrong track when it comes to the U.S. Jewish community.

    by ‘Washington’ I assume you mean Trump?

    It depends on which jews are donating the most in campaign funds. Dissenting jews need to get their act together financially, put their money where their mouth is….in American politic$ talk is cheap!

  31. Tsigantes says:
    @Charles Pewitt

    All I care about is that diasporan Jews are using mass legal immigration and mass illegal immigration as demographic weapons to attack and kill European Christian nations such as England, Australia, Italy, Germany, France, Canada, Spain, Denmark and many, many other European Christian nations.

    What a peculiar list in that, except for Spain and Italy, all the nations you list as Christian became protestant 300 years ago and are now not only secular but anti-Christian. Not a single one of these formerly protestant countries has raised a finger in “protest” against the murderous attacks on Christianity worldwide. To find the real Christian nations of Europe start with the French people (not government) and then go south and east. Christianity remains a wholly ‘catholic’ affair – a greek word that means ‘all of us together’.

    But it seems that in your world view the truly Christian European nations (for ex. Poland, Greece, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Roumania, Georgia, Armenia, Serbia, Russia, Ukraine etc. etc.) don’t rate as European…you even include Australia and Canada, which are non-European Echelon states.

    This is an observation, not an attack.

    • Replies: @Weaver1
  32. Tsigantes says:
    @anarchyst

    It is a short step for a fanatically cohesive outgroup to morph into a mafia that gets ahead by ignoring or breaking the law…..which is called “smarts”.

    But not very smart to boast about it!

  33. Tsigantes says:
    @anon

    Be careful.
    Has it never occurred to you that calling yourself or others “white” is to fall straight into a jewish-laid trap? Who do you think invented racism?

  34. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Colin Wright

    “So what?” you ask. They managed to kill multi-millions long before they occupied Palestine.

  35. Al Liguori says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    Look at that !
    One Jew hater wants them all in Israel.
    the other Jew hater well has a soft spot for a Jewess so they can stay.
    It is just Israel is the problem !!
    You cannot make this shit up.

    And some don’t care where the innocents live as long as every single perpetrator and accomplice to crimes against humanity is apprehended, punished, and makes reparations.

  36. Tsigantes says:
    @Colin Wright

    The Greeks, French, Germans (etc.) that you cite were people who lived within national borders, spoke Greek, French, German etc., were educated in these countries and voted and fought for them (including jews) – but had many different backgrounds and a variety of religions, though of course predominately Christian. In Europe a country define themselves by their culture, not by ‘race’. i.e. their history, language, philosophy, arts etc.

    ‘Race’ is a jewish divide-and-rule political tool to make up for the fact that:

    Judaism is simply a belief (or, rather lifestyle) system – literally a set of life style proscriptions they call ‘laws’ and not technically a religion since it contains no universal, philosophic or transcendental content.

    The problem for jews is what is now called judaism, which was born after Christ and born out of opposition to Christianity. It is in fact not a religion but a political movement, anti-faith and anti-religion and anti-love of humankind.

    Driven by oppositionalism, they were great proselytisers. People of many different backgrounds converted to judaism, from Ethiopians to Turkic tribes. Thus there is no “jewish nation”. There is no jewish culture either as is evidenced by jews’ meagre contribution to the arts, philosophy. There wasn’t even a jewish language until hebrew was revived / re-invented all too recently and for political reasons.
    Yiddish is a true language of jews if there is one – but it is merely a dialect, not a standalone.

    The Germans destroyed themselves by falling into the jewish anti-Christian, ‘racialist’ trap. To aid the Germans in WW2 you had to agree to be an unter-menschen and recognise Germans as your uber-menschen…..how self-defeating is that?
    And why should anyone be surprised that the exact same mentality rules in Israel today, since it is the delusional heart of judaism? A fake “Racial” Supremacy is the raison d’être of “judaism”.

    All of this adds up to a tragic, self-defeating and ultimately stupid (un-intelligent) position.

    • Agree: utu
    • Replies: @Tsigantes
  37. Morris L says:
    @England patriot

    That’s the total opposite of true in my experience. Throughout the Brexit campaign I never heard a single pro-war, pro-American or pro-Israel comment. Brexiteers are of both left and right wing backgrounds and probably don’t have much politically in common aside from leaving the EU.

    • Replies: @Weaver1
  38. Tsigantes says:
    @Tsigantes

    p.s. – Ss for any claims to ‘civilisation’ is there any nation anywhere in the world, or any religion, that practises animal sacrifice? Yet in Israel the altar is already built, the instruments are ready, the red heifer has been bred and it will go ahead as soon as Al Aqsa is removed and the Third Temple built. Worse, it will happen daily….

    Barbarism.

  39. swamped says:

    “The observations I produced in ‘The Wandering Who’ were endorsed by the most profound thinkers associated with the conflict and the anti war movement”…they certainly were! Anyone who has endorsements from the likes of Samir Abed-Rabbo, James Petras, John J. Mearsheimer, Richard Falk, Paul Craig Roberts, Francis Boyle & especially Mazin Qumsiyeh has something important to say. Any one of them alone would be a worthy recommendation. Which makes impatiently waiting for “JVP and Abumimah’s apologies when they are mature enough to come clean” seem so unimportant. It really shouldn’t be about petty little personal feuds. No need to “form an orderly queue to issue their deep and sincere apology to” observers, no matter how hard done by they may feel.
    Even if “since the early 2000s [your] detractors within the so called Jewish ‘Left’ together with their sometime stooges, have been harassing [you], [your] publishers and [your] readers”, while that’s truly a pity, ever since then & long before, Palestinians have been harassed, beaten, bulldozed, terrorized, and killed by the Occupiers. No apology can ever make up for that, but putting an end to it is all that really matters, not our own ruffled feelings.

  40. Tsigantes says:

    Very illuminating article Gilad, thank you!

    We wait with curiosity today to see if Bibi will continue.

  41. Tsigantes says:
    @Iron Lion Zion

    “Whites” are not hated all over the world but the USA and Israel – and their obsessive racism and delusional, murderous exceptionalism – certainly are.

    Best stick to your mental ghetto Iron Lion Man.

  42. Tsigantes says:
    @Skeptikal

    …..it is historically inaccurate.

  43. OK, but- what’s new here? I don’t follow Gilad’s line of reasoning. This all seems rather common-sense, even trivial, to me:

  44. @Colin Wright

    True, but this is a normal process for any ethnicity.

  45. @Iron Lion Zion

    You say:

    Whites are hated all over the world by all other races, and they were kicked out from every non-White country ever hosted them.

    Anarchyst says:

    It’s the JEWS…it’s always the JEWS…

    How will we know if it’s not all the fault of Jews, crypto or otherwise? Like say, what was the name of the Prime Minister at the height of the British Empire? Their influence on whites has gone so far and deep that even if they were to disappear the Talmudism based society would live on. So according to you the Jews were responsible for all the good things of western civilisation and culture but not for all the bad such as colonialism, funding of wars, slavery? Convince me otherwise, that Jews weren’t behind it all, or most of it, even the occupation by force of arms of those countries the whites were later kicked out from. I am reasonably open minded.

  46. Sean says:
    @Colin Wright

    In a particular society one has a right that you can claim and get enforced. Rights do not exist between nations, only the balance of forces determines the existence and extent of a state, with national feeling of a part of the correlation. The nation is the most satisfying context for most individuals to mediate their lives in the world. Atzmon wants to reduce life to thought.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  47. @Sean

    ‘In a particular society one has a right that you can claim and get enforced. Rights do not exist between nations, only the balance of forces determines the existence and extent of a state, with national feeling of a part of the correlation…’

    So Nazi Germany was justified in its behavior — all the more so, because the Germans were especially patriotic?

    I feel just the opposite. Morality applies to people — both individually and collectively. It would be wrong for you as an individual to grind your boot into the face of a helpless child. It remains wrong even if you do it with six million of your fellows. The killers of the Holocaust didn’t become guiltless because they were all doing it at once.

  48. bjondo says:
    @Colin Wright

    …I don’t see Jews as uniquely demonic…

    Not sure that makes sense

    since –

    Jew is spawn of the Father of Lies, Satan.

    5ds

  49. bjondo says:
    @Truth3

    go where they are legitimately entitled to a homeland. Birobidjan.

    The offer was made then rejected.

    No longer/never were entitled.

    Anywhere.

    5ds

  50. @Colin Wright

    It doesn’t especially upset me if Jews rather than Armenians dominate Hollywood. So fucking what?

    Well, perhaps it should upset you. Hollywood and the press shape the zionist narrative and those who control those levers control how the masses think.They spare no effort to portray the perpetual victims as maligned by one and all for no reason in a continuing story of unfair rejection through no action or fault of theirs. Without those blinders, more Americans would wake up and reject that genoicidal pseudo-state. After all, UR is Ron Unz’s battle against the media.

    Last I checked, there was no Armenian equivalent of AIPAC.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  51. Sean says:

    Peoples tend to want their own nation state presumably because it it the most satisfying, protective and benevolent context for individuals to mediate their lives in the world. Unfortunately German Jews lived in a state while being of a different nation to the majority, and had their rights suddenly taken away. In the Jewish state of Israel Jews are having their need for imprescriptible rights met. Palestinians want their own state and those rights that go with it.

    Now Mr Atzmon takes issue with those who ‘consider their Jewish “identity” (and perhaps those seeing their Palestinian identity) as something more important than their basic membership in the human race’. While a basic membership of the human race outlook is perfectly principled in the realms of abstract thought, it is not the way most human beings (including the Palestinians) wish to live. De Maistre put it well.

    [MORE]

    From Considérations sur la France (1797):

    “I will simply point out the error of principle that has provided the foundation of this constitution and that has led the French astray since the first moment of their revolution.

    The constitution of 1795, like its predecessors, has been drawn up for Man. Now, there is no such thing in the world as Man. In the course of my life, I have seen Frenchmen, Italians, Russians, etc.; I am even aware, thanks to Montesquieu, that one can be a Persian. But, as for Man, I declare that I have never met him in my life. If he exists, I certainly have no knowledge of him.

    ….This constitution is capable of being applied to all human communities from China to Geneva. But a constitution which is made for all nations is made for none: it is a pure abstraction, a school exercise whose purpose is to exercise the mind in accordance with a hypothetical ideal, and which ought to be addressed to Man, in the imaginary places which he inhabits….

    What is a constitution? Is it not the solution to the following problem: to find the laws that are fitting for a particular nation, given its population, its customs, its religion, its geographical situation, its political relations, its wealth, and its good and bad qualities?

    Now, this problem is not addressed at all by the Constitution of 1795, which is concerned only with Man.”

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  52. “To Israelis, Zionism is a dated and clichéd concept that describes the ideology that promised to erect a Jewish homeland in Palestine. For Israelis, Zionism fulfilled its purpose in 1948, it is now an archaic term.”

    Erecting a Jewish homeland in Palestine is still a work in progress. There are still Palestinians living on the land, where “every rock has the name of every Jew that has ever lived inscribed upon it.”

    Leave it to Jews to play games with words and numbers to obfuscate truth.

    A criminal can be innocent. An innocent person can be a criminal. A statement of fact can be an anti-semitic lie. A Eurasian convert to the Jewish religion can be a Semite with a birthright to the Palestine that supersedes native Palestinians.

    • Replies: @SaneClownPosse
  53. @SaneClownPosse

    From RT:

    “Polls close in Israel: Historic snap election a referendum on Netanyahu & settlement annexations ”

    “Netanyahu had to up the stakes, vowing on the eve of the vote to annex Hebron as well as the Israeli settlements in the Jordan Valley, if elected. ”

    Move into a bedroom in the neighbor’s house and claim their house as your own, then forcibly remove them from their house.

  54. @Cloak And Dagger

    ‘Last I checked, there was no Armenian equivalent of AIPAC.’

    No — and if there was no Israel, there’d be no Jewish equivalent to it either.

    That, largely, is my point.

  55. @Sean

    ‘Peoples tend to want their own nation state presumably because it it the most satisfying, protective and benevolent context for individuals to mediate their lives in the world. Unfortunately German Jews lived in a state while being of a different nation to the majority, and had their rights suddenly taken away. In the Jewish state of Israel Jews are having their need for imprescriptible rights met…’

    There are a number of problems here.

    The biggest problem is that you implicitly define ‘Jews’ as a nation — which they most certainly are not. The German Jews you discuss, for example, shared almost literally nothing with Yemeni Jews. They had no more in common than Swedish Christians, say, have with Filipino Christians.

    ..,and this remains true today. It’s one of the reasons Israel is so dysfunctional. The inhabitants have share so little they won’t even let their children go to school with each other in some cases. All that unites them is hate and fear of those whom they’ve dispossessed.

    This is one reason so few Jews actually move to Israel unless they’ve no real choice. They’re not a nation. American Jews want to live with other Americans, not Jews from Morocco. Australian Jews want to live with other Australians, not Jews from Iraq. In the last analysis, they certainly don’t want to go and live with a lot of foreigners — still less in a hot, crowded land surrounded by the very people they’ve wronged. It’s an almost perversely unappetizing proposition.

    Aside from the fact that your ‘nation’ has no right to the land it’s seized, it’s not even a nation. I cannot imagine a more indefensible and futile enterprise.

    • Replies: @Sean
  56. Weaver1 says:
    @Morris L

    There are some very annoying classically liberal pro-empire Brits. I know that. Some of their goals are admirable, but they lack some mental ability to understand how extreme individualism is a vulnerability, as is great wealth inequality. Their ideas of “freedom” leave them open to outside influence and manipulation.

    Brexit did seem to cross ideological lines.

  57. Weaver1 says:
    @Tsigantes

    Firstly, Australia and Canada were overwhelmingly British not long ago. The demographic transformation has been rapid. Canada was something like 98%.

    Secondly, many Protestants do side with Christians. However, the mass media and other institutions readily manipulate them. Protestants are made to be individualistic, so they’re readily manipulated, readily enslaved, though they claim to be “free.” Anglicans are different.

    Thirdly, the Pope seems to prefer Muslims over Christians. It appears that his highest dream is for the Vatican to be converted into a giant mosque.

    It might best be argued that currently there is no church, but a church is needed. The competing religion of democracy seems too strong to oppose.

  58. A123 says:

    It looks like the expected has happened in the Israel elections. (1)

    There doesn’t seem to any way to get to the required 61 seats as long as there are refusniks in the Center/Right options.
    — B&W refuses to form a government with Netanyahu
    — Yisrael Beytenu refuses to form a government with Right Religious parties, such as Shas

    No, doubt the U.S. Fake Stream Media complex will be advocating the SJW coalition option where B&W repudiates its positions to obtain Arab List participation in a hard left government. Politics makes strange bedfellows, so one cannot use the term ‘impossible’. However, does anyone really believe that Arab List will join a government lead by former general Gantz (B&W)?

    If the Knesset does not force a 3rd round of elections, how long can the coalition talks go? 7-14 days to finalize the election plus 30-45 days each for the B&W and Likud attempts. That looks like November or December.
    ____

    The ever threatening but never arriving investigation of Netanyahu has run out of intimidation time. The rules seem to force the prosecutor’s hand in the near future (probably October). Formally issue charges or permanently give up.
    — Do they have the proverbial Smoking Gun?
    — Or, has the entire thing been smoke & mirrors?

    The most likely scenario is ‘smoke & mirrors’. That would put a great deal of pressure on B&W. Netanyahu does not have to flip many B&W seats from refusnik to joiner to get a new mandate as PM with current election results. Or, more likely, a 3rd round of elections that would give Netanyahu a stable majority.

    The much less likely smoking gun scenario, could force out Netanyahu. However, to consolidate his position, Gantz would need Likud Knesset members. To get them, He will have to follow through on Likud policies for Judea and Samaria, maintain Jerusalem as a unified city, and defend against Hamas and Hezbollah violence. From a national security policy perspective, not much would change.

    PEACE 😇

    _____

    (1) https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2019/09/17/tv-report-tally-of-91-of-israeli-vote-shows-deadlocked-knesset/

  59. schrub says:

    Great article Gilad!

    Your influence is now beginning to be far more widespread. I know that you are becoming increasingly effective simply because no other writer here on UNZ has been so frequently (and so incredibly quickly) attacked in his/her comments section by all those considered as primarily Israeli stooges on this site.

    As much as I like UNZ’s other writers I notice that these people really fear you and reserve their venom and your opinions in particular.

    I imagine that there is a red warning light on the wall of the Tel Aviv office of the AAB (Anti Atzmon Brigade). When the light goes indicating a new Atzmon article, these commenters have been trained to quickly put down their coffee, jump up and run for their desks as quickly as humanly possible in order to mount their keyboards in to present their often pre-packaged and obviously pre-aproved responses as quickly as humanly possible.

    Sorta like what happens with firemen when when red light and bell go off in their firehouse.

    I also wonder if these people as a condition of their positions are required to wear a uniform just like other members of the IDF but with the symbol on their shirt (blouse) indicating they are members of the “proud and brave” AAB .

    And just out of curiosity, do the women members of The AAB get to wear cute and snappy uniforms with a skirt (like female members of the French military get to do) or are they mandated to wear baggy and un-stylish pants like the men as part of her uniform. Do the ultra orthodox female or transsexual members of The Brigade get an exception and are allowed to wear long skirts but are also required to wear olive drab wigs while on duty? (Hey, I can’t help it, I’m curious. Can someone supply a picture of them in action at their keyboards).

    Then these members of the AAB are required to deliberately flood the comments sections of any new Atzmon article with so many comments so quickly that often the first twenty or thirty comments that appear after any new article are often from them alone. (By doing this they obviously want to make innocents readers of their comments die of boredom and abandon their reading before they come to actual, real commenters and or are ready to make a new comment).

    Gilad, you are distinguished by your enemies. You should be proud.

  60. @Dennis Gannon

    Christian Identity loon spotted. Will you lot kindly naff off and quit excavating random fens and knolls looking for the “holy grail”? Thanks.
    Honestly though I am as Anti-Zionist and Pro-Christian as they come but you must realise that this sort of thing doesn’t play will with the general public.
    Why can’t you just point out the Scofield Reference Bible (funded by the Jew Untermeyer) and its pro-Zionist influence?
    “The Other Israel” by Ted Pike and “Marching to Zion” by Steven Anderson do a far better job than any Christian Identity group at waking people up, without mentioning any of the wild claims that your type tends to do.

  61. Sean says:
    @Colin Wright

    I don’t accept that Israel is not a nation, or that nations can be made up of those of different subraces. The racial and cultural differences in the German nation between eg Barvian and the North Coast are as great as any between Jews, with the exception of Ethiopians whose presence in Israel is really a response to the UN resolution that Zionism is racism.

    The logic of what you are saying is no country, including Israel has any legitimacy beyond an ability to control its territory and to defend it. For every country in the world has borders and swathes of territory disputed (ie claimed) by someone, and restive minorities who want to break away to be independent or join a neighboring state. Recognising a country’s government entails no acceptance of legitimacy, being merely done to have someone to deal with,. The ultimate title to land since the Bronze age has been military force, not any kind of law. That is why the worlds most advanced countries have nuclear weapons pointed at each other.

  62. ‘I don’t accept that Israel is not a nation…’

    Well, of course you don’t accept it, Sean. You’re a Zionist. You wouldn’t accept that two and two make four if that implied something negative about Israel.

    ‘…Recognising a country’s government entails no acceptance of legitimacy, being merely done to have someone to deal with,. The ultimate title to land since the Bronze age has been military force, not any kind of law…’

    So all one needs to do to justify Israel is to adopt a stance of perfect amorality. How then, could you object to, say, the Holocaust, or the Rape of Nanking? Hey: they were expressions of greater military power. Morally, they’d be beyond reproach — like Israel.

    • Replies: @Davidson20
  63. @Colin Wright

    “So all one needs to do to justify Israel is to adopt a stance of perfect amorality”

    with the Zionists propagandist is always the same game:

    (1) ignorance, identity fanaticism, fantasies …
    (2) huge lies, lies more lies and more lies … and in the end …
    (3) the most brutal amorality

    and start again and again in an endless circle, completely deaf

    the Zionists believe their own lies and children’s fantasy … but in the end the brutality and the amorality appears as the last reason

    • Agree: Colin Wright
  64. APilgrim says:

    The Latest: Netanyahu says he’ll seek ‘Zionist’ government, JERUSALEM, AP, Associated Press, September 17, 2019, https://news.yahoo.com/latest-israel-kingmaker-lieberman-vows-062229295.html

    After an apparent election setback, Israel’s prime minister says he will seek the formation of a new “Zionist” government that excludes Arab parties. Benjamin Netanyahu addressed a small crowd of supporters in Tel Aviv at 3:30 a.m. Wednesday, more than five hours after voting ended.

  65. @Sean

    Any statistics or polling to say most Palestinians “long for” a purely Palestinian state? What they “long for” is an end to being oppressed under the Israeli jackboot and the theft of their property. Most, including BDS, don’t insist on a separate state. They simply demand equal rights wherever they live, and the same rights to travel as Israeli Jews.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  66. @anti_republocrat

    You mean from under the jackboot of their own corrupt leaders. When was the last time they had an election. The Palestinian leaders hold hostage the entire population. Why not vote Hamas out of power? Life would be so much better.

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