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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu won a decisive victory yesterday. He is likely to carry on to a fifth term in office. As of this morning, the right-wing bloc has a clear advantage of 65 seats (out of 120) over the centre/left parties and seems more likely to form a coalition.

The meaning of yesterday’s election results are obvious and undeniable. The Israeli left is now marginal, verging on non-existent. The Israeli Labour party has been reduced to a miniature caricature, pretty much the size of Meretz, themselves a parody of left thinking. Needless to mention that these two parties are Zionist to the core. They deny the Palestinian right of return and believe in segregation between Jews and Arabs by means of a two-state solution.

Netanyahu is, beyond doubt, the most sophisticated player in the Israeli political theatre. In the weekend he vowed to annex the West Bank Settlements. By performing this election ploy, he managed to completely obliterate his hard-line rivals on the right such as Bennett-Shaked’s New Right and even Zehut, which promised to be a ‘rising political force.’ As for this morning neither Zehut nor Bennett, who promised his voters he would be the next Defence Minister, made it to the Knesset. Netanyahu has also managed to reduce the USA into a subservient colony. We saw President Trump working hard for his friend in Jerusalem, recognising Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights and castigating Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps as a ‘terror organisation’. But most significantly, Netanyahu is also Hamas’s favourite prime minister.

Hamas knows very well that Israeli centrist government are genocidal in their approach to Arabs and Palestinians in particular. Hamas remembers Ehud Olmert, Tzipi Livni and Ehud Barak. They clearly prefer Bibi. They know very well that Bibi has been anxious to operate in Gaza. Hamas knows very well that Israel is running out of military and political options, let alone solutions to the conflict. Hamas voted Bibi. It entered ceasefire negotiations with Israel just a few days before the election. There is good reason to believe that Hamas would prefer to deal with Netanyahu rather than with a ‘centrist’ party led by three war criminals. Hamas won again, it has pushed Israel into a state of further paralysis. Israel does not have a prospect of a future in the region. Israel may not be defeated by Quasam rockets but by its own Ghetto mentality.

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Here is an article that looks at a newly formed pro-Israel lobby group in the United States:

    https://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2019/04/pro-israel-america-influencing-american.html

    While the narrative since the 2016 election has been Russian meddling in America’s political affairs, we can pretty clearly see that Israel is right up there when it comes to influencing America’s political landscape in its own favour.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  2. What a stupid article. Hamas won again. It what scenario would Hamas loose?
    I think the story is being played out, a long drawn out story, where both sides are “winner take all”.
    The Arab Muslims never accepted the Jews there on any terms, all of their negotiations were Trojan horses. A blind man could see that.
    Israel will turn into a theocracy to survive, surrounded by 32 Muslim only countries, looking at Israel to be a democracy and shame them into the Arab right of return?
    You would have to be so stupid to get into a negotiation with these clowns. Like yo Israel, we want you to democratize and make it all fair, common let our refugees come back, you know 5 generations of 6 million a nice round number, we will all live together in peace.
    I don’t mind the Arabs so much, but then you come a long and write an article like Hamas won again. Like you are really interested in who won, or saying that Israel is genocidal, like the Arabs aren’t read their charter.
    But you are not interested in fairness are you Gilad? You want Israel to go down, be honest at least say it.
    What right do you have to write an article like this? You are about the most genocidal person I have heard from, you not only want Israel to disappear, (Mr. “we are all Palestinians”), you want the entire Jewish religion to disappear, because to you it is a plight on the world, a big gimmick to win the day for the Jews.
    Oh yea “Hamas won the day”. What a fucking phony you are.

  3. Bartolo says:

    Why do Palestinians have a “right of return”?
    I mean, you cannot claim that having lived in a given land for hundreds/thousands of years gives a specific people any “special rights” on that specific land, can you?
    That would be blood and soil nationalism, and we know that is the ULTIMATE EVIL. That´s what we Europeans are told.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Herzog
  4. Denis says:
    @Fran Taubman

    The Arab Muslims never accepted the Jews there on any terms, all of their negotiations were Trojan horses. A blind man could see that.

    This is a remarkable bit of projection, given that Israel has continued its aggressive, expansionist policy throughout the “negotiations”. It is clearly the Israeli governments that were not negotiating in good faith with the Palestinians, given that they insist on colonizing the occupied territories throughout the so-called peace process.

    Israel will turn into a theocracy to survive, surrounded by 32 Muslim only countries, looking at Israel to be a democracy and shame them into the Arab right of return? You would have to be so stupid to get into a negotiation with these clowns. Like yo Israel, we want you to democratize and make it all fair, common let our refugees come back, you know 5 generations of 6 million a nice round number, we will all live together in peace.

    This is a red herring; Israel isn’t negotiating with Iraq and Iran, it’s “negotiating” with the Palestinians. Besides, Israel does not depend on the approval of other arab or muslim states to survive, and judging from the Israelis’ behaviour, they are not remotely interested in such approval. Rather, they seem eager to generate as much hostility against themselves as possible among muslims.

    But you are not interested in fairness are you Gilad? You want Israel to go down, be honest at least say it.

    Mr. Atzmon has been completely upfront about his desire that Israeli society be fundamentally reformed. You would probably describe that as Israel “going down”, but he has been completely and totally honest about it, much more honest than most of Israel’s advocates in the west have been about their intentions.

    What right do you have to write an article like this?

    He has the right to the freedom of speech, despite the best efforts of Israel’s supporters in the west.

    You are about the most genocidal person I have heard from, you not only want Israel to disappear, (Mr. “we are all Palestinians”), you want the entire Jewish religion to disappear

    This is a complete lie, he has, in the past, said very clearly that he doesn’t view the jewish religion as the problem.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  5. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Charles Homer

    While the narrative since the 2016 election has been Russian meddling in America’s political affairs, we can pretty clearly see that Israel is right up there when it comes to influencing America’s political landscape in its own favour.

    “Right up there” is a significant understatement.

    They control the US government, including the witless Donald Trump and the vast majority of the congressional whores.

    If and when there is ever a reckoning of what happened to the United States, one does not have to look any further than the political whores who sold out their nation for the sake of the shekels.

    Oh, and the American fools who voted these whores into power and continued to support them election after election when it should have been obvious that they were traitors–think McCain and Ryan for starters.

    • Agree: jacques sheete
  6. Wally says:
    @Fran Taubman

    said:
    “you know 5 generations of 6 million a nice round number”

    There’s that fake ‘6,000,000’ number again.

    In fact, the ‘6,000,000 dead Jews’ lie has been marketed since at least 1823.

    http://www.codoh.com

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  7. anon[456] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Thank god for circulating Phagojews.. these little critters keep the world free of dangerous propaganda infections.

  8. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I want that country -Israel – be destroyed and the current crop of leaders gassed . I want the settlers be put into 21 st century’s first inquisition .

    • Agree: Druid
  9. Talha says:

    Israel does not have a prospect of a future in the region. Israel may not be defeated by Quasam rockets but by its own Ghetto mentality.

    Another Crusader state that will eventually fall. Their woe-is-us bunker mentality will be their undoing. Muslims have time on their side.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Herzog
  10. Herzog says:
    @Bartolo

    Do Germans have a right of return to what is today western Poland, but what was centuries-old German territory annexed after WWII, at Stalin’s behest? Do Poles have a right of return to what is today western Ukraine, but what was Poland before, yet annexed to Ukraine, and thereby to the USSR, after WWII by Stalin’s orders?

  11. Herzog says:
    @Talha

    I like your concluding “Peace,” Talha. You have such an exquisite sense of humor.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Colin Wright
  12. Talha says:
    @Herzog

    I try, man – I try. But actually I do want peace, just not on the terms Israel demands.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  13. @Wally

    Yes love the holo hoax guys you are my favs. fake fake dead Jews.

  14. @anon

    Get some weapons and some hearty folks together and go for it. That is what wars are all about.
    27 million Russians lost their lives in WW2. 11 Million soldiers.
    The Jews are aware of that, Muslims sort of missed out on WW2 and they unfortunately sided with the Nazis big mistake.
    I like your talk it is honest.

  15. @Denis

    This is a complete lie, he has, in the past, said very clearly that he doesn’t view the jewish religion as the problem.

    Do not know what you are reading but Atzmon’s entire reason d’être, is that the Jews bring it on themselves with Judaism being the suprematist religion for its god claiming that they are chosen.
    His argument is that Judaism creates repeating scenarios where by Jews stand out of their populations because their tribal chosenes, rituals and customs, this causes hate, which causes them to be victims, and forces them to create more tribal conditions and loyalty, which creates more hostility as between the Jews and the Goyim and that cycle just repeats, like the Tom Cruise movie. Live, Die, Repeat. I am pretty sure that is the focus of his argument.
    He says that he does not hate Jews and is not anti-Semitic, his problem is with Judaism. Like you like Muslims but hate Islam.
    Atzmon promotes hate.
    With regards to Arab-Israeli peace, you are incorrect it always included the end of the conflict between the Palestinians and the Jews as the acceptance of Israel by the greater Arab world. You are also incorrect about the past attempts at peace. At least 3 plans (you can google and study), offered to dismantle settlements, checked all the Arab wish list, back to the 67 borders, shared Jerusalem etc. The Palestinians will not sign off on the END OF THE CONFLICT. Any signing of the peace deal was temporary, it also did not accept back 3rd generation refugees.
    You should study up on those initiatives.

    • Replies: @TimeTraveller
  16. @Fran Taubman

    Correct actually, the holocaust was fake

  17. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…’

    Why are Zionists always such idiots?

    Seriously, the only bright one I can think of is Shmuel Rosner.

  18. @Talha

    ‘I try, man – I try. But actually I do want peace, just not on the terms Israel demands.’

    Israel doesn’t actually want peace on any terms. Absent an ‘enemy at the gates,’ there simply wouldn’t be enough of a shared identity to permit her continued existence.

    • Agree: Talha
    • Replies: @Talha
  19. @Fran Taubman

    Enough already wit’ da whining. That shit is getting sooo tiring. Can’t you think of anything better to do? Grow up for Christ’s sake!

  20. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    That was one of the ways they got Jews to leave their scattered centuries-old homelands in the Middle East for a pipe dream in a cage along the sea.

    If they were more sincere, perhaps arrangements could be made to de-escalate and allow them to return and re-settle their old stomping grounds, but not with how they are currently behaving.

    Peace.

  21. @Talha

    ‘That was one of the ways they got Jews to leave their scattered centuries-old homelands in the Middle East for a pipe dream in a cage along the sea.

    If they were more sincere, perhaps arrangements could be made to de-escalate and allow them to return and re-settle their old stomping grounds, but not with how they are currently behaving…’

    They’ll all wind up in America — which is only fitting.

    We’ve done so much for so long to make that abomination possible and to encourage it in its crimes; it’s only right that we should have to take the perpetrators in when it all comes to an end.

    …and happily, a good third of them want to come here as it is. Pull the plug, and they all will. This can all be ended with a whimper, not a bang.

  22. @Fran Taubman

    The vomiting of the state of israel on the people of Palestine was the biggest geo-political fuck up since WWII.
    It can and should be corrected.

  23. @Colin Wright

    Good luck with that. I do not see them packing up any time soon. There were Jewish Palestinians. Jews all over the place in the ME.

  24. @Colin Wright

    lol. Have you talked it over with “them”

  25. @Colin Wright

    lol. Have you talked it over with “them”

  26. @Talha

    We have talked before so not beating a dead horse as you are one of the more coherent beings on these threads.
    That said no clue what you mean by a “cage in the sea”
    Israel has the 27th largest economy with a population of 8 million. Pretty astounding. And you all act like, well we will just have to resettle them and get them comfortable with new digs. Like Israel is just so tenuous or you are going to make arrangements for them. Arrangements for who?

    Right the Wrong.
    I have explained to you. The world is a pretty harried place, most countries, people and their leaders are working on “existing” in the world, keeping their populations safe and fed. It is a tough job in a changing overpopulated world, where slices of the pie is smaller.

    Countries view Israel as a contributor, a problem solver, a helper in the tech industries and job growth sector. (despite what you may think of the twitter and Unz Review threads), they want to do business with Israel, or more to the point they are not interested in helping the Palestinians, or their fairness issues. It is not that important to them at this time, not even the main Arab population. You may hear rhetoric you like with BDS etc, but it is lip service. Commerce makes the world go round.

    What are the Palestinians and their leaders doing to help themselves? Playing bumber pool with their rocket launchers in Gaza, keeping their populations in ghetto like conditions with their Jihad behavior, charging the Gaza border with hordes of civilizations telling them to enter Israel, and watching them get picked off. A futile exercise. No? Helping who?

    Why don’t they start commerce, grow fruit, export and educate their populations towards a better future. Israel was hoping Gaza would be the next Singapore before Hamas. What good is Jihad at this point in time?
    You talk about the Jews like they are a phantom population, a mistake. You are going to resettle them in their old stomping grounds? That makes sense to you? Just sounds so ridiculous to me speaking in the real world.

    • Replies: @A123
    , @Talha
    , @Chris Mallory
  27. A123 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Alas, it is functionally too late to achieve anything in Gaza. Hamas has killed the aquifer supplying fresh water.

    Hamas could have used the pipe to supply water. The people of Gaza chose to use that pipe for rockets.

    Hamas could have used concrete for:
    — Channels to supply fields with rain water
    — Basins for aquifer recharge.
    The people of Gaza instead used that concrete to build attack tunnels.

    Now the victims of Hamas (not the Israelis) have no water supply and no one to blame but themselves since the people of Gaza willingly victimized themselves. Lack of fresh water will force 1.5-2.0 million Muslims out of Gaza in the next decade or so.

    Where will the Muslim ‘pillar of charity’ relocate these victims of their fellow Muslims? Or, will there be no ‘charity’ and Islam will leave millions of Muslims to die.

    Islam is 100% responsible for this tragedy. Islam will have to provide 100% of the solution.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  28. @A123

    ‘Islam is 100% responsible for this tragedy. Islam will have to provide 100% of the solution.’

    Sentences like that drive home just how morally and intellectually bankrupt Zionism is. To support Israel you have to be the adult equivalent of a six-year old mental defective who enjoys pulling the wings off flies.

    • Replies: @Talha
  29. Talha says:
    @Fran Taubman

    There is no doubt that the Muslim world could do more to help the Palestinians.

    As far as Jews, I believe my point is fairly clear; they used have the ability to settle and live practically anywhere in the Middle East except for maybe Arabia-proper. Now they live in a small strip of land by the sea (a footprint of many former Crusader states). And they keep on egging on the US to start more fights in the ME.

    As we discussed, we can find a way to de-escalate and try to get back to a semblance of what it was like before (with more freedom for Jews to travel and live in the wider ME as before) the ethno-nationalism bug bit both our populations or we can keep going down this route. We have time on our hands, we’ve done this plenty of times – you guys are new to it.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  30. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    I notice that these guys always talk about and distract with Gaza, they rarely ever talk about the ongoing theft of land and accelerated settlement building in the West Bank where Hamas is not in charge. Convenient.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @A123
  31. swamped says:

    “There is good reason to believe that Hamas would prefer to deal with Netanyahu rather than with a ‘centrist’ party led by three war criminals”…it’s probably simpler to deal with one big war criminal than with three little ones. “Hamas won again”… just like they did in 2006, 2009 &2014 – but they pay a terrible price each time they do. The god of the jews is a vengeful one. And his predatory people are, too. But one day he will return his wayward people to their squalid Ghetto & the world will be saved. Amen.

  32. A123 says:
    @Talha

    Judea is the original land of Judaism. Returning to one own lands cannot be ‘theft’.

    Indeed the Muslim violation of international law and violent occupation if Judea and Samaria is the root of the problem. Drawing a line down the middle of the Jordan river does not magically create two Muslim states. Ethnic Jordanians live on both sides of the river. And, the ethnic state for Jordanian ethnicity (a k.a. Palestinian ethnicity) already exists as Muslim Palestine (a.k.a. Jordan).

    When will Muslims stop occupying Jewish land? When will Islam choose peace rather than violence?

    There is cash on the table to help Muslims end their violent occupation of Jewish lands. They can exercise their ‘Right to East Bank Return’ and choose peace.

    • Agree: Fran Taubman
  33. augusto says:
    @Fran Taubman

    What a BS.
    Mr. Taubman, it is not a crime your showing seemingly jewish name but it does nt mean you belong to Uri avnery´s peacemakers party does it?
    Look, of course that ”hamas victory” better suits a figurative language imaging from Gilad.
    Of course Hamas would have won with whichever PM viable candidates and would go on as the sole MAJOR defender of the street walking ordinary palestinians.
    Because if I or you were an ordinary palestinian, whom would we trust more: the famous “palestinian authority” or the Hamas?
    Obviously who won was the long-run-planned-genocide party, that of Bibi. But have in mind sure I am not saying that a few other israeli parties and candidates are not similarly genocidals.
    Or just for your understanding: the winning side was just the staunchest, most proven and experienced branch of criminals.

  34. Talha says:
    @A123

    They always had the right to live there. There were plenty of Jews that came in and out of that area for centuries, while most Jews opted not to.

    Indeed the Muslim violation of international law and violent occupation if Judea and Samaria is the root of the problem.

    Indeed this is complete BS and has no factual basis. Nobody in the UN believes the Palestinians are occupying the West Bank.

    When will Islam choose peace rather than violence?

    I’ve already talked about returning things to where Jews can once again live peacefully throughout the ME. But if you insist on violence, we can go that route too, we have time on our hands.

    They can exercise their ‘Right to East Bank Return’ and choose peace.

    LOOOL! So basically; “Leave and let us steal the land so we can have peace otherwise we will whine about how violent you are!”

    I don’t think so. This is the attitude I’m talking about, I’m very glad you guys are so open about how the only way to resolve this is according to your acceptable parameters. That’s fine, like I said, we not only have time on our hands but the majority of the world doesn’t side with your position which is why the UN votes always go against you.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @A123
  35. A123 says:
    @Talha

    Nobody in the UN believes the Palestinians are occupying the West Bank.

    …which is why the UN votes always go against you.

    UNazi is of course another part of the problem, which is why the civilized world ignores UNazi votes and opinions. UNaziHRC permits and supports the violation of human rights. UNaziRWA commits war crimes such as storing missiles and using ambulances as troop transports. EVERYONE knows that UNazi is corrupt.

    The bottom line is pretty simple… No amount of Taqiyya deception will allow Violent Islam to steal Jewish land.

    PEACE
    _____

    http://www.freedompost.org/islam/deception/common-taqiyya-or-islamic-lies-and-deceptions-by-muslims.html

    • Replies: @Talha
  36. Talha says:
    @A123

    EVERYONE knows that UNazi is corrupt.

    OK – so the UN is irrelevant to you guys – that’s cool. I’d like to resolve it via an open and legal transparent international court system, but since they might judge against you, you dismiss them as Nazis. (rolling eyes)

    The bottom line is pretty simple…

    No problem, we do this the hard way. We’re used to that. Like I said, time is on our hands.

    Taqiyya deception

    LOL! Of course Zionists are the paragon of truth!

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  37. Talha says:
    @Colin Wright

    it’s only right that we should have to take the perpetrators in when it all comes to an end.

    Well, I guess it’s kind of up to them as well as the people in the West. One thing I don’t want happening is another cycle where the West goes bipolar and then postal on them again and then the Middle East has to deal with the fall out like before.

    Plenty of them are actually descendants of the very people that had guarantees made for their protection and right to live in those lands from the mouths and hands of the blessed Companions (ra). I do not believe it is right that our secular ethno-nationalists came along and simply discarded those centuries-old agreement in reaction to the actions of their secular ethno-nationalists – their crimes and treachery do not justify ours. In fact, if ours had acted with principles and wisdom, any time Israelis would have opened their mouths with the “We are the only homeland for the Jews” nonsense, millions of Jews across the Muslim world would have erupted in laughter.

    I personally have no problems with Jews living and thriving in places like Iraq, Algeria, Egypt, etc. like it was before.

    Peace.

  38. @Fran Taubman

    Countries view Israel as a contributor, a problem solver, a helper in the tech industries and job growth sector.

    End the welfare paid by Western Christian nations to Israel and see what the Israeli economy looks like.
    End the massive spying and industrial theft carried out by Israel against the Western Christian nations and see how much of a contributor Israel is.

    Israel is a parasite upon the world.

  39. @Talha

    We are not knew to warfare, we went thru WW2, the US civil war, and WW1.
    You mention the UN, which you seem to think sides with the Palestinians. I think that is a mirage. Lip service. Most of those countries like Venezuela or Cuba or the third world African continent, maybe are against Israel,
    But the Western countries like Russia, Japan and China (asian) and the EU are not against Israel, they may give lip service, but where the rubber meets the road, no-one really cares about the Arab Palestinians.
    But more to the point your narrative always claim that the Jews could travel around the ME freely before Israel was founded, that is not true, as I have said many times this is not a land struggle but a religious struggle. The Jews were welcomed in the ME but only as second class citizens.
    Muslims want to run the ME, Jews cannot be equal or in charge of any of the holy sites, the Muslims really howl at the thought of any Jews in the Holy Land, so much so that most muslims are temple deniers as well as propagating the myth that the Jews have no heritage in Palestine/Israel.
    That is just a scam.
    Any proposal that does not grand Muslim hegemony in the entire ME is a non starter. The worst colonial construct is Jordan. More Palestinian then Israel.

    • Replies: @Talha
  40. @Talha

    It is a religious struggle, everyone has their own truth, but the Palestinians and Arabs have been defeated in war after war. They lost, imagine Germany drawing up the terms of surrender. The Jews want a Jewish only state surrounded by Muslim only states. But the Palestinians insist on playing a three dimensional chess game you guys play where you negotiate a situation that will ultimately make you the rulers, and still we must leave and give it back to you.
    How does that work. Bottom line when there is a non negotiated solution like a religious struggle, who fight and the winner wins, or you separate and partition, like India and Pakistan, you do not try to make it a fake situation like South Africa. The Jews are not the Dutch, and Hebrew is not a colonial language. You may think you got a good game there, but it is a total fake, and more important morally disgusting, it is a lie. Israel is not an apartheid country, and is not practicing genocide. You will loose that fight.
    I can guarantee you if we lost one of those wars, we would be gone.

    The Palestinian are hardly the worlds only refugees, whole populations in Europe cannot return to their original countries as they have changed flags.
    Yet the Palestinians insist on all or nothing, that we have no right as Jews to self determination, that is for others not us.
    The Arabs are pretty pathetic, look at the way they treat the Palestinian refugees in Lebanon. They are not allowed to leave their ghettos, become citizens, go to schools or get jobs. What kind of people do that?

    • Replies: @Amon
  41. @anon

    Cannot believe that your comment passed the UNZ review, calling for gassing people. I hope they remove it.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  42. @A123

    I heard that in the “deal of the century” some sort of federation with Jordon, and a ton of money for relocation from the west bank to Jordan. Like maybe millions per family.

    • Replies: @TimeTraveller
    , @A123
  43. @Fran Taubman

    Well, why then did so many populations rise up and expel the Jews? Even Guatemalans threw Lev Tahor out of a village. Should we talk about those hateful, bigoted Indians living in the rainforest? What is their relation to “classical European antisemitism”?

  44. @Fran Taubman

    Where is this money going to come from?

  45. A123 says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I still do not understand how negotiations can happen. The ‘official’ Muslim leadership needs violence with Israel to keep their own power base in act.
    — Fatah is led by Abbas who is in his 14th or 15th year of his 4 year term.
    — Hamas is a sock puppet for Iranian extremists.
    These groups do not represent the people and will never agree to a workable peace.

    Some part of the “Deal of the Century” must be the opportunity to choose new leaders that are not trapped in the failed rhetoric of absolutism and intransigence.

    • Troll: L.K
  46. Amon says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Your people did and still does that to the Palestinians on a daily basis. You bomb their schools, hospitals, water treatment- and power-plants. You stave them, shoot their children for target practice and break the bones of unarmed civilians. You wall them in, poison their farmland, burn their crops, bulldoze their homes while they sleep and lynch them for fun.

    Palestinians, the very people who lived on the land you forced Germany to hand over to you after WWII and whom you forced to flee from their homes using terror and ethnic cleansing programs and whom you are even now preventing from returning to their rightful land with threats of death.

    The very people your kind declared did not exist and was made up to justify your crimes against humanity.

    The people who rightfully own the land your kind stole from them.

    • Agree: Igor Bundy
    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  47. @Amon

    Your people did and still does that to the Palestinians on a daily basis. You bomb their schools, hospitals, water treatment- and power-plants. You stave them, shoot their children for target practice and break the bones of unarmed civilians. You wall them in, poison their farmland, burn their crops, bulldoze their homes while they sleep and lynch them for fun.

    You forgot the worst, we sell the organs of dead Palestinians (after lynchings), drain their blood and mix it in our matzah for Passover.
    We also take all the stuffed animals from the kids before we shoot them, and decapitate the heads and limbs in front of the children (stuffed animal torture), then shoot the children when they are totally traumatized. Sometimes we break their bones first. Depends on how depraved we are on that day.
    Some days we are more depraved then others, depending on the phases of the moon, and how much blood we have drank.
    Human parts not on the menu yet, but cannibalism cannot be too far away, ya think?

    • LOL: A123
  48. @Fran Taubman

    ‘You forgot the worst, we sell the organs of dead Palestinians (after lynchings), drain their blood and mix it in our matzah for Passover…’

    Something of an exaggeration, Fran. Let’s stick to the facts behind your accusations, shall we?

  49. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…Depends on how depraved we are on that day.
    Some days we are more depraved then others, depending on the phases of the moon, and how much blood we have drank…’

    I’m suspicious. I always figured the variation was a function of how overweening your arrogance had gotten, versus your awareness that perhaps it was time to pull in your horns a bit.

    But there. Perhaps you’re right. Shall we discuss it?

  50. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Cannot believe that your comment passed the UNZ review, calling for gassing people. I hope they remove it.’

    When all else fails, demand censorship, eh?

    You really are a peewit. Make ‘Lot’ look like a mental giant.

  51. @Fran Taubman

    The Holocaust as it is sold was fake. It is long since established and nobody seems to be able to dispute this, just call people names.

  52. @anon

    I vote Fran joins that current crop of leaders. Hasbarats stink the place up.

  53. Talha says:
    @Fran Taubman

    We are not knew to warfare

    Relatively new if you count that as military history, not to mention, I have no clue how your examples have any bearing for Yemeni or Iraqi or similar Jews.

    no-one really cares about the Arab Palestinians.

    OK – if you claim to be able to look into people’s hearts – that’s fine. I’m only concerned with how they vote – and the world simply doesn’t support you in their votes:

    The Jews were welcomed in the ME but only as second class citizens.

    Everyone except for Muslims was never fully enfranchised in Muslim lands. And it depends on where one went. In some places, Jews did have some humiliating restrictions in other places they did fairly well and even held positions in governance (doing much better than the average Muslim). So it depends on what you are talking about, they were not treated horribly like Israel treats the people of the West Bank.

    Muslims want to run the ME

    Yeah – majority rules.

    Jews cannot be equal or in charge of any of the holy sites…propagating the myth that the Jews have no heritage in Palestine/Israel.

    I oppose those kinds of hotheads on our side. I think it is best to make a city like Jerusalem independent and locally administered by representatives of the three religions. Only having a local constabulary force and coming up with a time-sharing and area sharing agreement to the temple-mount area. I do not see why that is an unreasonable proposal.

    It is a religious struggle, everyone has their own truth

    Yup. I don’t see why your truth trumps ours when we outnumber you 80 to 1.

    the Palestinians and Arabs have been defeated in war after war.

    If you claim that the territory is yours by right of conquest, I have no problems with this. Don’t whine when you lose it by right of conquest in the future. Time is on our side.

    You won’t only be facing Arabs.

    The Jews want a Jewish only state surrounded by Muslim only states.

    I’m sure a political arrangement can be worked out for a high level of local autonomy for heavily populated Jewish areas. Not just in that area, but everywhere else.

    is not practicing genocide

    Not yet officially – just military occupation. Now, plenty of Jews do want to kick out all Arabs:
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/plurality-of-jewish-israelis-want-to-expel-arabs-study-shows/

    What kind of people do that?

    I dunno, what kind of people bulldoze villages and olive farms in occupied territory and keep building new settlements in violation of UN resolutions. You could help end that refugee crisis tomorrow in Lebanon if you actually cared by leaving the West Bank and allowing them all to return.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  54. A123 says:

    OK – if you claim to be able to look into people’s hearts – that’s fine. I’m only concerned with how they vote – and the world simply doesn’t support you in their votes:

    Voting to keep the Muslim Occupation of Judea and Samaria does not help Muslim Palestinians stuck there. It is a superficial symbol that provides no help. Those voting yes are increasing Muslim suffering by prolonging the problem.

    If those nations ‘actually’ cared about Muslim Palestinians — as required by the Pillar of Charity — they would open their hearts, choose the path of peace, help Occupiers leave Jewish lands, and support the Return to Muslim Palestine so they would no longer be refugees.

    But this would require more than a zero cost vote….. So it doesn’t happen….

    PEACE

    • Replies: @Talha
  55. Talha says:
    @A123

    If those nations ‘actually’ cared about Muslim Palestinians

    As if you guys care. Why don’t you simply give up occupation of the West Bank and get all of the Jews out of there? (Minus the ones that preceded the illegal settlements.)

    they would open their hearts, choose the path of peace, help Occupiers leave Jewish lands

    The Muslims should certainly be doing more to help their brothers, no doubt about this. It would be nice if the Jews would open their hearts, choose the path of peace, help the occupiers leave Palestinian lands.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @A123
  56. @Fran Taubman

    Why don’t you pull on my horns and see how depraved I get. What would shock you?
    My arrogance? Hilarious.
    Come during the day, we sleep in our coffins at night. You know sharpening our fangs and horns.

  57. @Talha

    If you claim that the territory is yours by right of conquest, I have no problems with this. Don’t whine when you lose it by right of conquest in the future. Time is on our side.

    You won’t only be facing Arabs.

    Sound ominous., but now you are talking. Yes we won by conquest, and I will not cry if g-d forbid we loose it. In the mean time while we are running things, stop threatening us, you are the losers that is the way conquests work. And what is really noxious is all the demands you guys make while shooting rockets at us. This conquest stuff is not a pin ball game, Arab Jihadist are so childish.
    They could advance the Arab population in such better fashion.
    By the way when you guys win, you will see a real genocide not the fake one you claim we are doing. The Arab population has quadrupled since 1948.
    When you guys had Jerusalem before 1967 there was a barbed wire fence keeping the Jews away from the temple mount.
    If I came down from a foreign planet and had to take sides (not being Jewish or a Zionist). I would pick the Jewish side, I just do not see the moral equivalency of your side, And I try really hard Thala to search for the truth in all things. I think the Muslims are full of shit in this particular hegemony battle, really irritating. It could be over so easily if you just give up the desire for total control.

    • Replies: @Talha
  58. A123 says:
    @Talha

    It would be nice if the Jews would open their hearts, choose the path of peace, help the occupiers leave Palestinian lands

    Islam received 78% of Palestinian land when the Palestiniany Mandate was divided. Jews received less than 1/3 of that amount when they got only 22%.

    Why do you keep asking the victims to sacrifice? Why don’t you ask the wealthy who received 78% of the land to sacrifice a tiny amount?

    It would be nice if the Muslims would open their hearts, choose the path of peace, help the occupiers leave Jewish lands.

    If Islam wants peace, they can easily get it. However, violent Islam seems to want to keep the war going. 78% of the land is not enough. Islam wants to take even more land away from the Jews who received so little. The Muslim position is inherently immoral. That immorality fuels the violence and prevents the peace.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Talha
  59. @A123

    Excellent A123 really excellent. The Muslims will not accept any Jewish attachment and lie and steal about Jewish history, completely immoral. Just look at UNESCO. College educated Muslims denying the temple under Al Aqsa.
    The real killer is no one carried at all about Jerusalem or Palestine until the Jews arrived. It was an ottoman back water. They are so full of shit. It was no mans land. When the Jews went to buy land from the Arab sheiks they practically gave it to them. The Arabs could have bought that land. They never even registered the land the owned because they did not want to pay taxes, and then cried when they lost it. Squatters rights they say.
    Their argument is to take hegemony away from the true owners, just cause they don’t want them to have not that it really means anything to them. Jerusalem is not mentioned in the Koran once. We pray to it in every prayer, whether we are there or not.
    The muslims are insincere. It is Islam’s third holiest site, it is the Jews one and only.

  60. Talha says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Sound ominous

    It’s true, the person with the most aerial kills against the Israelis (I think either 3 or 4) was a Bengali pilot flying for Jordan and Iraq. The armies that kicked out the Crusaders were composed of Arabs, Turks, Kurds, Persians, Circassians, Nubians, etc.

    I will not cry if g-d forbid we loose it

    That’s good.

    And what is really noxious is all the demands you guys make while shooting rockets at us.

    You could say; please stop sending rockets at us, we will leave the West Bank.

    Arab Jihadist are so childish

    Hezbollah and others have basically achieved containment – that is the first step. In the past it was possible to imagine Israelis rolling through and capturing the Sinai or the Suez Canal or rolling up into Beirut. That’s not going to happen any more.

    you will see a real genocide

    There is that paranoia and projection again. Jews have always been allowed to live in that area, Muslims never forced them out.

    there was a barbed wire fence keeping the Jews away from the temple mount.

    Our ethno-nationalists (like yours) do stupid things, you’ll have to pardon them. As I’ve stated, I have no problems with sharing the sovereignty of Jerusalem between the three religions and also worship time and area on the Temple Mount (I see no reason why Muslims shouldn’t accommodate that).

    I would pick the Jewish side

    You don’t say…

    I just do not see the moral equivalency of your side

    We are both biased, it is best to drop the false neutrality. This is about negotiating and accommodation – your opinion on our stance is irrelevant. We believe your religion is abrogated in toto – do you care how we feel? Thought so.

    It could be over so easily if you just give up the desire for total control.

    I have put up some reasonable things to consider – I have seen no reasonable response to a question of a joint and even-handed three-way control of Jerusalem and time and space sharing on the Temple Mount for all three religions.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  61. Talha says:
    @A123

    Jews received less than 1/3 of that amount when they got only 22%.

    Makes sense. And made fairly good sense (in regards to demographics) before you started ship every Jew and his mother into the area – granted, I will say that honestly our own ethno-nationalist numbskulls had a hand in exacerbating the situation.

    Why do you keep asking the victims to sacrifice?

    You eternal-victim narrative doesn’t work on Muslims. Jews and Muslims have a different history than Jews in Europe. If you were victims in Europe, they should have given you some land in Bavaria. Instead the British dumped their “Jewish problem” in the Levant and encouraged Jews to go there. Muslims never stopped Jews from living in or owning land in that area.

    Why don’t you ask the wealthy who received 78% of the land to sacrifice a tiny amount?

    Ask the Germans or the Poles for part of their country; why can’t they sacrifice a tiny part of their land.

    Islam wants to take even more land away from the Jews who received so little.

    Nope, in none of the things I have proposed are Jews to be given access to even less land. If anything, I want them to be able to settle peacefully and in semi-autonomous areas in any parts of the vast Muslim lands that they desire. This is what negotiation is about; give and take.

    The Muslim position is inherently immoral.

    When we want moral validation from Zionists, we’ll come and ask.

    Peace.

  62. gilad is on par with obama as some of the best con men in history.. Now that gilad got the loot already, he dont want to share.. So he also dont want to create a ruckus that might damage his ill gotten gains if you rock the boat too much.. some rocket might end up in his shitter and then the fans wont be useful in that desert heat.. gilad needs to take himself and his ilk back to pollackland where he hails from and leave the natives alone. None of the bull about yuropeans originated in the middle east carry much yemini water.. especially when you have 0 semite genes in you.

  63. Talha says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Uh yeah, that’s what I’ve been saying, we have plenty of land you can settle in and set up semi-autonomous areas. Full safety guarantees should be provided. And it will not restrict your access to Jerusalem (which should be shared as an international city). That’s the kind of vision I’m talking about.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  64. @Talha

    Talha, you sound like Peter Pan, it is not going to happen. Give us the white and we are good.

    • Replies: @Talha
  65. Talha says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Ok – so since we can’t settle inside the court, it’ll eventually be settled outside on the court steps.

    That’s OK – we’ve done this plenty of times before.

    Peace.

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