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“In A Time Of Universal Deceit, Telling The Truth Becomes A Revolutionary Act” – George Orwell

At the moment, the Jewish State is experiencing growing political instability while exploring its ability to defy Netanyahu’s alleged criminality and his racial incitements against Arabs, while at the same time, the UK has been reduced into a dutiful Israeli remote colony.

Two day ago, the Lobby scored three significant victories that are indicative of Britain’s descent into an Orwellian dystopia. It is now an unfit habitat for intellectuals, artists and humanists and their exodus has begun.

In a statement astonishing for its obsequiousness, ‘opposition’ leader Jeremy Corbyn praised the police for tearing down a poster depicting, in cartoon form, an uncanny portrayal of Corbyn himself under ‘attack’ by Benjamin Netanyahu shown piloting an Israeli air force plane named ‘The Lobby’ and dropping bombs of ‘defamation’ with the words ‘anti-Semite, anti-Semite, anti-Semite.’

By his response, Corbyn was kind enough to reveal to the Brits that he could be many things, but acting as a prime minister isn’t really among them. And not just because of his clumsy unprincipled action against a legitimate political cartoon but because the man publicly displayed that he can’t handle elementary freedoms. Somewhere, there exists a positive interpretation that would make Corbyn’s shameless groveling seem sophisticated, his response did make the cartoon into national news so that every Brit is now aware of the poster and its message.

Yesterday we also learned that Israel’s stooges managed to cancel a literature event in Brighton. Bad News for Labour- Antisemitism, the Party and Public Belief is, according to its publisher, a ground breaking study on the reality behind the headlines on antisemitism and the British Labour Party.” I have not seen a ‘ground breaking’ text from Pluto for years, nonetheless, someone within the Hasbara army decided that the Brits are unfit to digest the book. Waterstones Brighton ‘rapidly surrendered’ and canceled the event. One more piece of evidence that Britain doesn’t really need enemies, it became an authoritarian society voluntarily. I wonder how long it will be before Corbyn tweets that it was he and the Labour Party who begged Waterstones to cancel the event.

But Zionist tour de force did not end there. We learned yesterday that singer, songwriter and right wing enthusiast Alison Chabloz was once again sent to jail: this time for eight weeks. The Zionist Campaign Against Antisemitism’s web site reports that “District Judge Jonathan Taaffe found Ms Chabloz guilty of breaching the conditions of her suspended sentence after blog posts that she published since June 2018 were found to constitute a breach of a social media ban.” Apparently the definition of ‘social media’* in Britain underwent a dramatic expansion this week in order to fit the Zionist call. The CAA was pleased to let us know their part in this fiasco, “the trial in Chesterfield today follows contact between Campaign Against Antisemitism’s lawyers and the National Probation Service.”

In 1917 Lord Balfour issued a declaration in the name of the British government announcing support for the establishment of a “national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a tiny Jewish population. In 1917 Britain was an empire although Palestine wasn’t then a British colony. Just over one hundred years later not much is left of the empire and even less remains of British dignity. Britain has allowed itself to be reduced to an Israeli colony, even to the point that Britain willingly sacrifices any of its most sacred values when asked to do so by a single right wing ethnic lobby that is largely committed to foreign interests.

(Republished from Gilad Atzmon by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Totally agree on Corbyn. Too bad, because the chance of an outsider becoming party leader the way he did seems low in the future. But he clearly is not really a leader. He’s an intellectual. And he is always in a defensive crouch, never taking it to his enemies. A very sad character.

    As for Jew repression of ideas they don’t like, just as with the UNC-Duke ME Studies program, it goes on apace. It’s important to remember that the Jewish mind is, in general, a totalitarian mind (handfuls of renegade Jews notwithstanding). And that totalitarian psyche is bent always and everywhere on promoting what it thinks of as the welfare of Jews at the expense of everything else.

    Even now, the MSM is giving almost no attention to the UNC-Duke disgrace. Can you imagine if the attempt at academic censorship had come from authentic conservatives? The Jew-inflected MSM would be in full-whine/attack mode just as it is on the subject of Trump/Biden. And it’s equally obvious that the bit about lack of positive Christian imagery is merely a fig-leaf designed to co-opt goy support. There is only one issue there for the execrable Marcus: The unrelenting campaign to stamp out criticism of Israel.

    When the epitaph of the West is written, “Jew” will be the most prominent word in it.

    • Replies: @Rutger Spuds
  2. By the same standards attacking British conduct in Northern Ireland is anti-British and racist, yet such an attitude is a staple of the Labour party and British left generally. What I find irritating is that most people don’t seem to see the double standard, they attack the British legacy in Ireland at all, you hear it all the time in the media and from ordinary people, yet if I were to say “what about Palestine and the Jews?” they would probably just call me a racist.

    Britain is easy to walk all over for Jews and other aggressive outsiders because British people are ashamed of their history and have zero pride any more. Very few British people will attempt to defend any aspect of British history or culture. Being proud of British history and defending it is a far more controversial position to take in modern Britain than being anti-British.

    • Replies: @Alfred
    , @Irish Savant
  3. Truth3 says:

    Jew Quote of the Day

    We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers forever. Nothing you can do will meet our needs and demands. We will forever destroy because we need a world of our own.

  4. MarkU says:

    Is Jeremy Corbyn some sort of sleeper agent for the Zionists? With Corbyn in charge of the Labour party we have seen the definition of antisemitism stretched even more ludicrously. He has done more harm to the Palestinian cause than anyone else in Britain, the man is a maggot.

  5. @MarkU

    No, he’s just a rather defensive individual utterly besieged by the power of organized Jewry. Jews may wail endlessly about “appeasement,” but they demand appeasement–and get it–from Corbyn all the time.

    I don’t want to minimize the problems he faces though. He’s in a no-win situation emblematic of the larger Jew problem across the West.

    • Agree: mark green
  6. Angharad says:
    @MarkU

    @MarkU – yes. Corbyn is a mischling. A genetic Jew.

  7. Thank you, Gilad.

    As a Muslim, I’m personally upset when other Muslims support legislation that would curtail freedom of expression in order to coerce compliance with mandates that they and they alone are obliged to follow. It’s simply not in keeping with 2: 256 nor chapter 109. We’ve been told by the Prophet himself that there would come a time when his people would follow those who came before them so closely that, were the predecessors to enter a gecko hole, his people would pursue them. This is what we witness when we see Muslims making common cause with Jews to pass “hate speech” laws.

    For all the attention that is drawn to Muslims incited to rage by cartoons, this phenomenon pales in comparison to the passage of legislation that criminalizes historical skepticism of Jewish suffering during WWII or legally punishes those engaged in a boycott of Israeli goods. The latter of these is far more deleterious in scope and degree, yet, not surprisingly, it receives no coverage throughout popular western media.

    • Agree: Druid
  8. lavoisier says: • Website

    Britain has allowed itself to be reduced to an Israeli colony, even to the point that Britain willingly sacrifices any of its most sacred values when asked to do so by a single right wing ethnic lobby that is largely committed to foreign interests.

    The salient point in this statement is that Britain has sacrificed its most sacred values in deference to the Zionist bullies.

    Absent this disgraceful cowardice and lack of integrity, the nation would not have suffered such rapid decline.

    Dishonest cowards do not maintain strength or respect.

  9. Jews…disappear…will ya?

  10. Sean says:

    Britain has allowed itself to be reduced to an Israeli colony, even to the point that Britain willingly sacrifices any of its most sacred values when asked to do so by a single right wing ethnic lobby that is largely committed to foreign interests.

    Oh, so now you are a British patriot?

    In 1917 Lord Balfour issued a declaration in the name of the British government announcing support for the establishment of a “national home for the Jewish people” in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a tiny Jewish population.

    As a philosopher, Balfour formulated the basis for the evolutionary argument against naturalism. Balfour argued the Darwinian premise of selection for reproductive fitness cast doubt on scientific naturalism, because human cognitive facilities that would accurately perceive truth could be less advantageous than adaptation for evolutionarily useful illusions.

    In 1917 Britain was an empire although Palestine wasn’t then a British colony. Just over one hundred years later not much is left of the empire and even less remains of British dignity.

    In 1917 Britain was at war and looking like it could lose.

    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-britain-s-true-motivation-behind-the-balfour-declaration-1.5462518 The main goal of the Balfour Declaration as far as Britain was concerned was to reduce the opposition of the American Jewish community to going to war on its side…what decided the issue was the realpolitik considerations directed at the Jews of the United States.

    Two day[s] ago, the Lobby scored three significant victories that are indicative of Britain’s descent into an Orwellian dystopia. It is now an unfit habitat for intellectuals, artists and humanists and their exodus has begun

    Good! With Brexit, Britain now has to prove that when it says something: it happens. So Britain has to put in work of the type that intellectuals and humanists, especially foreign ones, are a liability for. The BDS movement is the creation of British Jewish humanists like Steven Rose anyway.

    https://engageonline.wordpress.com/2016/08/28/ilan-pappe-admits-that-bds-was-not-initiated-by-a-call-from-palestinian-civil-society/

    • Replies: @romar
    , @Gilad Atzmon
  11. fenestol says:

    So Corbyn isn’t an English patriot. Well, we already knew that because he hasn’t demanded the end of the monarchy.

  12. Maybe there is no Zionist conspiracy to shut people up. It looks to me like the Britts side with Israel on the value of the information. Are you saying that if you side with Israel or the Zionist you are part of the cabal, part of disinformation from the truth your truth.
    People in the US and Britain as well as other Arabs see thru the Jihadist propaganda of the Palestinians who want nothing but the eradication of the Jews.
    That is all they want. So the peace process is shut down and Israel is coming down hard on the Palestinians after giving up Gaza to a bunch of Jihadist. No More land for peace no more negotiation.
    Palestinian happiness only comes at the destruction of the Jews, don’t ask the Jews to be complicit in their own destruction.
    Your truth Gilad is not the only truth. Too bad you are such a polemic.
    The same is true for American Universities, no one is stifling free speech or criticism of Israel.
    Many of the anti Israeli pro Palestinian speakers at Universities are straight out Jew haters, with more than a little bullying towards Jewish students.
    Money donating Alumni have a right to speak out against racism. Which is what is going on.
    The Palestinian rapper at the UNC Gaza discussion openly asked Jew haters to sing along.
    Don’t expect the world according to Gilad to be the national anthem.
    Many reasonable people disagree with you.

  13. @Sean

    I have always been a patriot. I do believe in patriotism as opposed to cosmopolitanism . Even as an Israeli I was patriotic and had explored those early sentiments in my writing. The one thing I loved about Zionism was the desperate attempt to bond the J with the soil. I myself bought into that fantasy … Britain was indeed a struggling empire in 1917. Israeli historian Amos Elon contends in his book The Pity of it All that the Balfour Declaration was there to appease American Jewish bankers and financiers who were at large of German origin and were supporting the axis…According to Elon, the Balfour declaration was designed to pull the USA into the war.. since this is an American site I am sure that readers of Unz Review will be interested in such an historical speculation… I am not sure that you want to go there as you are clearly a Zionist.. such an interpretation suggests that America was puppeteered for more than a while .. BTW the BDS is not relevant to this thread as yours truly has been critical of BDS authoritarian attitude from day one (2005)…

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @Skeptikal
  14. @Fran Taubman

    In A to Zion I define stupidity as ‘misinterpreting Goyim’s tolerance as nativity’ …since this mistake unveils itself throughout Jewish history, this definition may as well fit the notion of insanity (repeating the same mistakes expecting different results) .

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  15. @Gilad Atzmon

    Can you name names of Jewish bankers and financiers that supported the axis?

  16. Wally says: • Website
    @Fran Taubman

    – Can you tell us how your alleged ‘Nazi gas chambers’ worked?

    – Can you show us the alleged millions upon millions of ‘holocausted’ human remains that are said to be in precisely known locations?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  17. @Fran Taubman

    ‘Can you name names of Jewish bankers and financiers that supported the axis?’

    Fran at her finest. The conversation is about World War One and she asks about ‘the Axis.’

    Which side do you think Italy and Japan were on in World War One, Fran?

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  18. @Colin Wright

    ‘Can you name names of Jewish bankers and financiers that supported the axis?’

    Fran at her finest. The conversation is about World War One and she asks about ‘the Axis.’

    Which side do you think Italy and Japan were on in World War One, Fran?

    Edit: to be fair, I see now that it was Gilad who first referred to the Central Powers as ‘the Axis.’

  19. Jacob Shiff is often mentioned amongst others …just search for “Balfour, USA, WWI, Bankers” this story isn’t exactly a secret and Amos Elon wasn’t a ‘Nazi revisionist’ 🙂 I am on the road with limited access to the net while touring …if you are interested in this story you’ll have to invest some energy …

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  20. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Milton Mayer in “They Thought They Were Free’ described the rise of Nazism and the turning against the Jews as this:

    “Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no ‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.”

    The zionist learned from the nazis the use of the same ‘gradual habitution’ methods—every use of , every inroad and infiltration into America was always so justified as necessary to the Jews survival, every crime they committed in Palestine and elsewhere so necessary and needy of US excusing for the Jewish state’s survival. It’s been step by step by step by step.
    Americans , just like the Germans didn’t notice the end game of Nazism, didnt notice Zionism and the Jews that much until 911 and the wars in the ME started in 2003.

    Your problem is there is now a another growing ”gradual habitution’ among the public to anti Jewish influence and anti Israel.
    And just like the Germans didnt see it growing you wont see it either until its over your heads.
    Oh , your leaders will keep up their whines about anti Semitism , they need some antisemitismt to keep your victim status going and the money coming in.. But they believe they have the government in their pocket and it will never get out of hand.

    You should pay attention to Gilad’s warning about not..’misinterpreting Goyim’s tolerance as nativity’.
    Because when you are finished in America you will be finished everywhere.

  21. Alfred says:
    @England patriot

    How many Brits know that the Jews paid mercenary pilots to fly Spitfires that they had bought surplus from the Royal Air Force? The Israeli armourers and mechanics who prepared these aircraft were ex-RAF. These mercenary pilots shot down 5 RAF Spitfires flying over Egypt in 1949.

    Spitfire vs. Spitfire: Aerial Combat in Israel’s War of Independence

    “Israel’s war of Independence” was really the “Jewish Ethnic Cleansing of Unarmed Palestinians”

  22. Gordo says:
    @MarkU

    Is Jeremy Corbyn some sort of sleeper agent for the Zionists?

    Nah, he is just blowing with the wind. Like how he personally quietly supports Brexit but won’t say so.

  23. The question would be to know what are the values of the people who fight “antisemitism”. Generally they attack antisemitism in the name of Zionism. But in order to defend Zionism you have to accept and justify all kinds of injustice, violence, brutality, racism for which the country is responsible. They have to lie the whole time. So, critic or rejection of “antisemitism” is made in order to promote oppression and injustice. Why is Zionism still considered something respectable?

    They say that the country has the right to defent itself. But what about the right of the Palestinians to defend themselves? They speak about security and their needs because of security. But what about the security of the Palestinians? Who was expropriated, suffered massacres, was ethnic cleansed?

    Zionists stole a whole state, the state of the Palestinians. This was a big crime. In spite of that they are still considered respectable people and they allow themselves to tell other people what they can criticise of not, what they can say or not.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  24. @Oscar Peterson

    I’m sure that you’re right that he’s certainly not a leader. However I would be surprised to discover that he’s an intellectual. He’s a phony basically. He isn’t the only one, the H.o.C. is full of them. But since he spent three or four decades on the back-benches sounding off about the evils of the E.U. only to disappear in a cloud of his own dust once the referendum was called (and now effectively campaigning for ‘Remain’) the term ‘phony’ suits him very well. Were I a Palestinian or a Venezuelan, then based on that observation, I would be deeply suspicious of his professed support.

  25. @Wally

    That was a direct quote from Gilad, Asshole. That is what you are Colin a giant ass with a hole in it, it matches your brain. Kinda matches Wally’s brain.

    All that the Balfour Declaration was there to appease American Jewish bankers and financiers who were at large of German origin and were supporting the axis…According to Elon, the Balfour declaration was designed to pull the USA into the war..

    Do you see axis in Gilad’s comment?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
    , @anon
  26. @Gilad Atzmon

    this definition may as well fit the notion of insanity (repeating the same mistakes expecting different results) .

    That could be said about any nationality, with regard to repeating the same mistakes.
    Fill in the blank
    The Germans,
    The Romans
    especially the Arabs in their quest to eradicate the Jews for a religious conquest of Islam. No other reason, then religious.
    Talk about the definition of insanity. They have failed over and over again, in this quest, leaving in their Jihadist wake an entire population Palestinians laid to waste in that attempt. Peace could have been achieved over and over again. Not Jewish insanity but Islamic.
    Why don’t you see that propaganda being perpetrated to the world. Nothing to do with Goyim’s naivety absolutely a bogus claim.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
    , @anarchyst
  27. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/26/us/white-supremacy-symbols.html

    According to ADL- O/K is now a hate symbol. Another big victory for war mongering entity speaking the language of non-hate

  28. @Fran Taubman

    This comment was meant for Colin not Wally.

    • Replies: @anon
  29. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    https://israelpalestinenews.org/rothschild-reveals-crucial-role-ancestors-played-balfour-declaration-creation-israel/

    Alison Weir reports in her book, Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel, that drafts of the declaration went back and forth to Zionists in the United States before the document was finalized. The main writer was secret Zionist Leopold Amery.
    Weir’s book documents that one of the main inducements given to British leaders to issue the Balfour Declaration was the Zionist claim that they would bring the U.S. into world war I on Britain’s side if the British would promise to enable the Zionist colonization of Palestine.
    https://israelpalestinenews.org/rothschild-reveals-crucial-role-ancestors-played-balfour-declaration-creation-israel/

  30. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    The current and fourth Lord Rothschild has described the Balfour Declaration that helped pave the way for the creation of Israel as a “miracle” and revealed new details about his cousin Dorothea’s crucial role.

    The way it was achieved was extraordinary, he said. “It was the most incredible piece of opportunism. You had an impoverished would-be scientist, Chaim Weizmann, who somehow gets to England, meets a few people, including members of my family, seduces them, he has such charm and conviction, he gets to Balfour, and unbelievably, he persuades Lord Balfour, and Lloyd George, the prime minister, and most of the ministers, that this idea of a national home for Jews should be allowed to take place. I mean it’s so, so unlikely.”

    He also revealed for the first time the role of his cousin Dorothy de Rothschild, who acted as a critical go-between while still in her teens. Describing her as “devoted to Israel,” Rothschild said: “What she did, which was crucially important, was to connect Weizmann to the British establishment, and extraordinarily, she told Weizmann how to integrate, how to insert himself into British establishment life, which he learned very quickly.”
    Her letters, which are stored at Waddeston, detail her later dealings with a range of Zionist leaders, and her advice on the organisation of the Zionist Conference, and Rothschild said she had a profound effect on him, introducing him to Israel and the family’s philanthropic foundation in 1962.
    https://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/rothschild/

    How to read behind the lines?
    “Miracle”! Things happened that couldn’t be logically explained. In the context of the nation- state-empire, logically means – making economic military or geopolitical sense
    “Opportunism”! Again in the context of nation- state- empire , opportunism means that individual acting illegally to further their interests or acting under duress under fear of some external force who are trying to advance his/her goal by blackmailing the power -center of the state .
    “idea of a national home” !! – is another slippery slope perfected by the psychopaths and revisited by them repeatedly later. It starts a process that has one end- realization of the hidden goal ne it establishment of state of Israel or war against Iraq,Syria or Libya or Iran which start with name calling ,bills passed into act ( those Accountability Acts ) perfected by the Zio

    “, she told Weizmann how to integrate, how to insert himself into British establishment life, which he learned very quickly.”- this is called activism of the sleeper cell . This is called ingratiating ,licking the ass of the powerful, satisfying their ego and corrupt lifestyle ,show false respect and love ,and boost their worst impulse ,offer them false dreams . Now they are active doing these in the House of Saud , all the while hiding behind the shadow and claiming later the plausible deniability of any sinister machination .

  31. @Fran Taubman

    Can you name names of Jewish bankers and financiers that supported the axis?

    Jewish Bankers Were the Cause of Both World War 2 and the Armenian Genocide. The Jewish bankers had expected Hitler to place Germany in debt with loans from their banks as his means of bringing about Germany’s economic recovery. Instead, Hitler found other means — including international barter and alternative financial systems in which the Jews didn’t have any usurious fingers in the pie.

    https://nationalvanguard.org/2016/09/jewish-bankers-were-the-cause-of-both-world-war-2-and-the-armenian-genocide/

    Many people take joy in saying Wall Street and Jewish bankers “financed Hitler.” There is plenty of documented evidence that Wall Street and Jewish bankers did indeed help finance Hitler at first, partly because it allowed the bankers to get rich (as I will describe below) and partly in order to control Stalin. However, when Germany broke free from the bankers, the bankers declared a world war against Germany.

    https://pastebin.com/4gS9yPdB

  32. @England patriot

    As an Irishman (my DNA test says I’m 98% Celt) I have no problem with the British or their 800 year “involvement” with my country. Fact is if the size, population and power of Britain and Ireland had been reversed we’d have been over there doing exactly the same thing as they did here. As colonisers go the Brits weren’t bad at all.

    • Replies: @lavoisier
  33. @Fran Taubman

    ’misinterpreting Goyim’s tolerance as nativity’.

    Should that not be naivety? If not I’m unsure what Gilad means….

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  34. @UncommonGround

    ‘The question would be to know what are the values of the people who fight “antisemitism”. Generally they attack antisemitism in the name of Zionism. But in order to defend Zionism you have to accept and justify all kinds of injustice, violence, brutality, racism for which the country is responsible. They have to lie the whole time. So, critic or rejection of “antisemitism” is made in order to promote oppression and injustice. Why is Zionism still considered something respectable?’

    My suspicion is that few actually care about antisemitism.

    Those who profess to merely use it as a device to vilify criticism of Israel. There are plenty of anti-semitic frothings unrelated to Israel — theories about the Federal Reserve, the promotion of homosexuality, etc. These are largely ignored.

    On the other hand, labelling criticism of Israel ‘anti-semitic’ is a favorite crutch of those able to offer no better defense for the Zionist entity. The device is used even when the criticism isn’t anti-semitic at all.

    Presumably there are people who actually object to anti-semitism — after all, if one is Jewish, the prejudice is offensive. However, these sincere souls are definitely a minority among those professing to be offended. Most are just Zionists, lying as usual.

  35. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…Talk about the definition of insanity. They have failed over and over again, in this quest, leaving in their Jihadist wake an entire population Palestinians laid to waste in that attempt…’

    Yes, and if they had just been peaceful and acquiesced in the Jewish conquest, they would have been left unmolested.

    The inhabitants of Deir Yassin, for example; they learned, didn’t they? Or there’s the fate of the Christian villagers narrated in in ‘The Stones Cry Out.’ They offered no resistance — and what happened to their village?

    How many hundreds of villages didn’t resist, tried to just lie low — and were wiped from the map anyway?

    How many thousands were murdered? At Sabra and Chatila, the PLO fighters agreed to withdraw — then the IDF arranged to have the unarmed women and children slaughtered. In Gaza, sixty Palestinians allowed themselves to be herded into a shed, where they waited for three days.

    Then the IDF shelled the shed, killing them all. Yep, if only the Palestinians wouldn’t resist.

    You could murder them all so much more easily. Or you might even be moved to pity, and merely drive them into the desert. Isn’t Jordan supposed to be ‘the Palestinian state’?

    Until you decide to take it too.

    • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
  36. renfro says:

    Find some group like this near you and join them.

    Atlanta activists are fighting to end the city’s police exchange program with Israel
    https://mondoweiss.net/2019/09/activists-fighting-exchange/

    The League Against Anti-Gentile Zionism – Home | Facebook
    https://www.facebook.com › TLAAGZ
    The League Against Anti-Gentile Zionism. 3 likes · 4 talking about this. There is an anti-Semitism Law but no anti-Gentile Laws, so this is the best we…

  37. @Gilad Atzmon

    I found this article which is a rounded one and touches all bases. You know very little about America if you think that American Zionist bankers could affect the government towards entering ww1. American Jews could not get Roosevelt to bomb the German railroad lines during ww2, which would have been a big help for Jews traveling to camps. This after the intel community showed photos of what was going on.

    What ever purpose the American bankers served to convince Balfour was not significant.
    It took Pearl Harbor for American to enter ww2, knowing full well what horrors the Nazis were about.

    What happened to the Arabs was largely do to the Arabs who were pro German and pro Hitler, the Mufti a Jew hater calling for Jihad against the Jews, he meant murder, Balfour or no Balfour.
    Palestine was seen as a Muslim conquest. Pan Arabism would not work with or without the Jews,

    Any rational explanation or ascribing of morality to one side or the other is the business of racist like you, who need a reason to rationalize your hatred. This goes for both sides.
    The conflict is a religious one, and Islam is no better then Judaism, except to a real Jew hater. I mean you cannot draw cartons of their prophet or you die, and you trash us. Right now the Jews have the power and they are not giving it up to people who want to destroy them.

    https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-britain-s-true-motivation-behind-the-balfour-declaration-1.5462518

  38. anarchyst says:
    @Fran Taubman

    It’s not “smarts” or “IQ” that gives jews an advantage over gentile whites, but is their rabid insistence on cultural and social cohesiveness, insularity and nepotism (but only for themselves) that gives them an “advantage”. This same cultural and social cohesiveness that is prized so highly by jewish interests is denied to gentile whites.
    Jews, to a man will fight to deny this same cultural and social cohesiveness to gentile whites that they themselves enjoy as it is a major part of the jewish purpose–the destruction of gentile white culture, which IS superior to any jewish cultural or social society.
    If jews did not possess this power, they would most likely be rag merchants, liquor merchants, or furniture merchants–nothing more. As I have previously stated, jewish success is based on cultural and social cohesiveness and insularity–NOT “smarts” or “IQ”.
    Once enough jews get into a position of power in the work world or education systems, they will hire and promote their own, even bypassing more qualified gentile white candidates.
    Jews have latched on to cultural cohesiveness and nepotism, as it serves their purpose exceedingly well.
    Jews are of the only group that lacks a moral component. Jews are very amoral, think nothing of screwing a “goy” out of money, possessions, or even reputation or life. You see, the jewish talmud elevates the jew above all others, “goyim” being “livestock with souls, created only to serve the jew”.
    This amorality is a critical component in jewish life and is partially responsible for jewish successes. When one does not possess a moral compass that defines and separates “right from wrong” THAT in itself gives the jew greater latitude to “get what he wants” as there are “no limits” on what a jew may do to gain the advantage in just about any situation. The lack of a moral component within jewish life is a major reason for jewish supremacy in civilized societies.
    At the same time, jews pushed the concept of racial “equality”, (but only for gentile whites), backing it up with “civil-rights” and “equal accommodation” laws which are enforced by governments–but only against whites.
    These “civil-rights” laws are used as a “battering ram” against gentile whites to diffuse and fragment any semblance of gentile white solidarity and cohesiveness that may arise.
    A great reckoning dealing with the jews is coming. As gentile whites become more marginalized, the accusation of being tagged as “racist” or a “holocaust denier” is rapidly losing its “sting”.
    Increasingly, jews are more wary of being “called out” and recognized as “jews”. One can call a jew a shyster, shylock, bankster, criminal or ne-er-do-well, and it will roll off his back like water off a duck, BUT call a jew a “jew”, and he will recoil in horror, having been “found out”. This is a major reason that many jews change their names to get away from the jewish “stigma” and to hide the fact that they are responsible for many of the world’s ills.

  39. @Fran Taubman

    And what about the possibility that you know very little about America and the long history of Zionist politics in its midst?
    Why America didn’t bomb Auschwitz and is from time to time reluctant to fight other people’s wars is in itself an interesting question. We do not have to go very far, just ask yourself why the current POTUS is reluctant to follow Israel demands for actions over Iran ….

    You obviously miss the argument here and not for the first time.. It wasn’t the American Jewish bankers who convinced Balfour,,,according to Amos Elon it was the other way around, it was Balfour who managed to pull in some Jewish bankers … This narrative, whether true or false, played a significant role in the rise of German right in between the wars.

    It will be helpful if you get over your emotional outbursts and try to address these issues in a scholarly manner. Anyway you can read more here https://gilad.online/writings/2017/11/11/balfour-declaration-history-and-concealment-a-talk-by-gilad-atzmon

  40. @Colin Wright

    You write propaganda Colin, you have never been to the ME, and you do not know the truth. You blindly accept what others tell you without proper research.

    Yes, and if they had just been peaceful and acquiesced in the Jewish conquest, they would have been left unmolested.

    False narrative: The land was partitioned in 1947, part Arab part Jews. The Arabs rejected the partition and declared war. Their rally cry. “We will drive the Jews into the sea”

    The inhabitants of Deir Yassin, for example; they learned, didn’t they? Or there’s the fate of the Christian villagers narrated in in ‘The Stones Cry Out.’ They offered no resistance — and what happened to their village?

    We could go tit for tat all day long. How about the Hebron massacre of Jews in 1929. Or the Mufti of Jerusalem calling death to Jews and his support for Hitler.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
    Yes people died and some of it was ruthless and unjustified. But the Jews did not start the war.
    Wars are messy, people die.

    How many thousands were murdered? At Sabra and Chatila, the PLO fighters agreed to withdraw — then the IDF arranged to have the unarmed women and children slaughtered. In Gaza, sixty Palestinians allowed themselves to be herded into a shed, where they waited for three days.

    Actually not that many compared to Arab on Arab violence. Just google Homs. Assad’s father wiped out the entire town in one day killing 10,000 nothing but a sign left flashing in the wind. Same is true with the first King Hussein, killed 10,000 Palestinians who tried to take over Jordan.
    More Arab Muslims killed in one day in Syria then the entire conflict between the Jews and Arabs since 1947.What about the Yazidi, the Syrians. I believe their have been 19,000 Arab casualties since 1947. While every life is important it is not that many in the scheme of Jihad of suicide murders and the 1000 Jews that died from that before they put up a wall.

    The rest of what you write is drivel, nonsense. Your tears are fake, less death and destruction going on in Israel then any Arab country over there. Israel would love Jordan to be the Palestinian state.
    If you cared more about the loss of life and less about your racist Jew hatred, you would be calling on the Palestinians to hold elections for new leadership, and stop their Jihad against the Jews.
    Get Hamas out of Gaza and let the Gazan’s thrive.

  41. @Fran Taubman

    ‘You write propaganda Colin, you have never been to the ME, and you do not know the truth…’

    You’ve got that backwards. Since I have been to the Middle East — and mentioned the fact here — it is you that do not know the truth.

    But nothing new there, eh, sweetums? See the rest of your post.

  42. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Its not a religious war….its a war of greed for land and indiscriminate revenge on the part of the Jews.
    I say indiscriminate revenge because for Jews its really the gentiles they would like to kill …..hatred of gentiles is the oldest of the Jews hatreds.
    But you don’t dare attack the gentiles because you know we would destroy you.
    You don’t have the real power, the power to militarily destroy the American or European Gentile nations, the only power you have derives from that we loan you.
    So you vent your bile and hatred on less powerful peoples like Palestines and Arabs.

    You talk of Jew’s and Israel’s superior power, brilliance, etc.. because you know that in reality everything the Jews have came courtesy of gentiles….and you cant stand it, you cant stand that you are actually just a recipient of gentile generosity and tolerance …..its galls you so that you can’t resist hating and biting the hand that feeds you.

    You are 14 million in a world 8 billion non Jews…..you keep giving the world century after century reasons to despise you. …your greed, your cowardice, your lies. Truly you are the stupidest people on the face of the earth.

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  43. renfro says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    Why America didn’t bomb Auschwitz and is from time to time reluctant to fight other people’s wars is in itself an interesting question.

    The question of Auschwitz has been answered. It is the Jews never ending hatred for America and the world at large that keeps the deceptions and lies going.

    “Saving the Jews”
    Robert Rosen – July 17, 2006

    This book was inspired by a visit to the Boston Holocaust Memorial near Quincy Market. My daughter, Ali, then a student at Phillips Academy, and I visited that Holocaust Memorial, and we read these words:
    “By late 1942, the United States and its Allies were aware of the death camps, but did nothing to destroy them.”
    I told Ali that this statement could not possibly be true. The United States was not even a belligerent in World War II until December 7, 1941 when the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. How could we have saved the Jews of Europe in 1942?

    (Excerpt)
    “The Holocaust Museum takes one of Kubowitzki’s numerous letters to John McCloy, assistant Secretary of War and enlarged it to make it appear that he was requesting the bombing of Auschwitz. Not True. This letter, the centerpiece of the Museum’s display on the bombing of Auschwitz, merely passed on a message from the Czechoslovakian government in exile and McCloy was well aware that Kubowitzki and the World Jewish Congress adamantly opposed the bombing of Auschwitz. View First Letter View Second Letter (I have written the Holocaust Museum about this blatant error, but have yet to hear back from their Chief Historian.)”

    A. Leon Kubowitzki, himself a refugee from Nazi-occupied Europe and head of the rescue department of the World Jewish Congress, wrote the director of the War Refugee Board, John Pehle, and underlined it for emphasis: View Letter ” The destruction of the death installations cannot be done by bombing from the air, as the first victims would be the Jews who are gathered in these camps, and such a bombing would be a welcome pretext for the Germans to assert that their Jewish victims have been massacred not by their killers, but by the allied bombings.”
    Despite erroneous assertions by many historians and the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum, Jewish leaders overwhelmingly opposed the bombing of Auschwitz. Kubowitzki wrote to one Jewish leader, “I think you know that we are not in favor of the bombing of the extermination installations….Because we believe in hayei shaa [literally, “life of the hour,” meaning saving those currently living] and we are afraid for the Jewish victims of such bombings and giving the Germans an alibi.” View Letter

    Use this link for the entirety and to view the letters,

    http://www.savingthejews.com/html/carterlibraryspeech.htm

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Fran Taubman
  44. renfro says:
    @renfro

    In addition.

    ”the Roosevelt Administration were actively involved in trying to save as many Jews as they reasonably could prior to the outbreak of World War II in September 1939 and the fall of France in June, 1940. 25% of all German Jews had fled from Germany between 1933 and 1937. In September 1939 the German Jewish population was 185,000 meaning 340,000 German Jews (65%) had fled prior to World War II. Of the 185,000 Jews in Austria in 1938, 126,000 had emigrated by 1940. (441) Between 1933 and 1942, 161,000 Jews came to the U.S. Between 1938-1940 half of all immigrants to the U.S. were Jews. [ I repeat, half of all immigrants…] The United States accepted about twice as many refugees as the rest of the world combined, 200,000 of 300,000. (442)”

    And we Americans have and are paying the price for taking in these ingrates….we never should have and would have no Israel problem if we hadn’t.

  45. @renfro

    You are filled with hate, blinding irrational hate. You should see someone. No person should be so consumed.

    You write nonsense and ascribe horrid behavior to a group of people.

    Its not a religious war….its a war of greed for land and indiscriminate revenge on the part of the Jews.

    Why don’t you stop by an oil producing Arab country and see where hell is, then go spit your hatred and venom towards them. Muslims take talk as a weapon, and do not allow it. Then watch your head roll off your head.
    Jews championed the rule of law, separation of church and state, and the right of everyone to a fair trail. I as a Jew could get my case adjudicated by an Arab Judge in Israel, not so in an Arab country.

    The hatred that you have is not beneficial to anyone least of all yourself. Work on it.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @RadicalCenter
  46. @renfro

    I do not think anyone thought about bombing the camps directly, it was the trains and the tracks that led to the camps that people wanted bombed.
    That never happened.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Colin Wright
    , @anon
  47. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    I do not think anyone thought about bombing the camps directly

    Yes…they did.
    Use the link and view the letters.

  48. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You write nonsense and ascribe horrid behavior to a group of people.

    LOL……coming from one who literally drips venom on Muslims in every comment you make that is very amusing.

    I embrace my hatred of Israel and its Fifth Column….hatred of evil is a very good and healthy thing for people.
    Lying to defend evil as you do is very unhealthy mentally and physically.
    It has made you sick.

  49. bjondo says:

    As Greta Dumberg will be the end of
    climate Zionists and their fanaticizm and
    the dems the end of Neoliberalism,
    Fran Taubman could be the end of the holofraud show.
    As entertaining as it is, bit too costly for the sane world.

    I’ve always favored bombing trains, tracks, camps.
    Kill workers but not the products.
    The Japanese should have bombed internment camps
    in CA, AZ, Ut, AR, WY, and Hollywood for the practical hell of it.
    If Weinswinewood had been removed, world lot cleaner today.

    5ds

  50. @Fran Taubman

    ‘I do not think anyone thought about bombing the camps directly, it was the trains and the tracks that led to the camps that people wanted bombed.
    That never happened…’

    The argument’s nonsense anyway.

    During the Italian campaign, the Allies, with total air superiority, were never able to shut down the one trunk railway leading down the Italian peninsula.

    That target was at extremely close range, and of enormous military importance — it supplied all the German divisions fighting at the front in Italy. Yet the combined air forces of the British and Americans couldn’t keep it shut down.

    So — leaving aside the military unimportance of Auschwitz — these same Allies are supposed to somehow manage to shut down a railway on the other side of Europe from their airfields?

    As I believe was said at the time, surely it made more sense to get on with winning the war instead. They’d never have been able to prevent the Germans from killing all the Jews they wanted to in any case. It’s not even like the Jews absolutely had to be taken to Auschwitz to be killed.

    The Allies couldn’t have blocked that rail line permanently, doing so wouldn’t have shortened the war by a single day, and even if they could have done it, it wouldn’t have saved a single Jew. Claiming otherwise is simply stupidity. The sheer blithering idiocy of the proposition is aggravating.

  51. @Gilad Atzmon

    ‘…It will be helpful if you get over your emotional outbursts and try to address these issues in a scholarly manner. Anyway you can read more here’

    This would only be true if she had a rationally defensible position. Fran may be better off sticking with emotional outbursts.

  52. Anne Lid says:
    @Fran Taubman

    The partitioning was done against the will of the local non-Jews. It was forced on them.

    On a small Hungarian forum a guy constantly brings up the Hebron massacre. Three times I have politely, with links showed that as awful as it was, it did not happen out of the blue, but came after a Zionist show of force in Jerusalem. Does not matter, he keeps bringing it up as proof of mindless Arabian savagery. I gave up on linking the same all the time.
    It does not matter who nonviolent and accommodating Palestinians will be. If the Zionists want them out, they will push them out. Do you comment on Israeli boards asking them to be considerate towards Palestinians? Doubtful.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  53. @Anne Lid

    Countries have been partitioned all the time, and someone is always unhappy. India and Pakistan. Lithuania has gone between Russia and Poland many times, with local populations being forced to leave, or change citizenship to another country. Same with other parts of Germany, Poland, Russia and the Ukraine. People act like the Palestinians are the only refugees in the world.

    Perhaps if the Ottomans had not sided with he Germans they would not have been colonized.
    Wars have consequences

    It does not matter who nonviolent and accommodating Palestinians will be. If the Zionists want them out, they will push them out. Do you comment on Israeli boards asking them to be considerate towards Palestinians? Doubtful.

    I cannot believe you would ask such a stupid question you must not be a student of the Arab/ Israeli conflict. There used to be a left in Israel for total peace, trading land won in wars. I was involved up until the Camp David accords when Arafat at the last minute walked away. So much preparation had been planned for a peaceful ending. All of the Palestinian towns were renovated with new infrastructure in anticipation for tourism and economic boom.

    Bethlehem, Jericho, Ramallah. There were casinos built in Jericho for tourism, I can remember visiting and thinking this is going to be so great we will all live happily ever after, our kids will go to school together.

    What a joke. Arafat walked away and Israel got the second Intifada where the specialty du Jour from the Arabs was suicide bombings in Pizza parlors. 1000 Israelis died. Thus the wall went up.

    After the pullout in Gaza the left disappeared in Israel, now you have right and far right. No one wants to make peace with the leaders, the people are fine. The Palestinian leadership is just a Jihadist group that wants to kill Jews at the expense of keeping the population as prisoners, caring little for their well being.

    You must not understand that this is a religious war, Islam cannot tolerate another religion with hegemony. Jews must be kept in second place. Islam must prevail no matter how many martyrs there are, the Jihadist seem to like violence and death.

    You have two completely different cultures and religions, they are not going to get along. Better for total separation. Let the Gazans go to the Sinai and the west bank to Jordan.

  54. @Fran Taubman

    I was involved up until the Camp David accords when Arafat at the last minute walked away. So much preparation had been planned for a peaceful ending

    It doesn’t matter how many times people show that you are not right about that, you will keep repeating the same things which aren’t true and which you know that aren’t true.

    There was no meaningful peace offer or even negotiations in Camp David. Robert Malley who was a part of the American-Jewish negotiation team wrote an article and showed this. Clayton Swisher spoke with everybody that was there and wrote a book showing the same. Shlomo Ben Ami who was part of the Israeli nonnegotiation team also told that if he were Arafat he would not have signed any agreement in Camp David.

    Nowadays we know that even Rabin wasn’t willing to accept a Palestinian state. Arafat was ready to continue the nonnegotiations with Israel at Taba but the Israeli left and provoked and started the intifada. They have never had the intention of making peace with the Palestinians. Israel never published a peace plan, never made a public offer. Negotiations had two aims: first to deceive the American public and the Palestinians, and second to gain time for more expropriation and to consolidade the occupation.

  55. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    trading land won in wars.

    rotflmao…..you are such a idiot…..since 1949 when the Geneva Conventions were signed marauding countries aren’t allowed to keep land they have seized….or move people onto it.
    In fact Israel has violated almost every one of Geneva accords,…thats why it as 259 UN resolutions against it.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  56. @UncommonGround

    I say bullshit to that. Bill Clinton wrote about it and since he was there, he said Arafat walked away.
    Barak lost his political career over that plan. Omert as well. Tippi Livini gave her life to making peace with the Arabs.
    Israel swapped land to Egypt and Jordan, for peace.
    Every Israeli I know wanted peace in 2000, everyone.
    You hide behind a scenario that makes it comfortable to hate Israel and feed your racist ideology.
    Yassir Arafat met with Bill Clinton more then any foreign leader during his tenure.
    Do you think Bill Clinton was playing a game. He was completely invested in bringing the two sides together.
    Never published a peace plan lol.
    Let me tell you what it was in case you were hiding under a rock.
    1967 borders with some land swaps for minor settlements.
    Shared sovereignty of Jerusalem.

    Do you want to know what Arafat wanted. The right of return for 3 generations of Palestinian refugees. That is DOA.
    The whole thing is not that complicated. Really it is not.

  57. @renfro

    rotflmao back attach.a What the fuck is a marauding country, Israel was attacked by four standing armies.
    The rule is that the land won in wars is no man lands until a peace treaty is signed.
    Why don’t you ask the marauding countries (love that word) of ww2?

    It is a fairly complex issue maybe over your head
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_territories_occupied_by_Israel_in_1967

    The marauding army gave up sovereignty over Gaza, look what happened.
    If you think Israel has no peace plan what is the Arab plan?
    Has it ever occurred to you if the Arabs had agreed to the partition in 1947. Palestine would be celebrating 70 years as an independent state. Not even the biggest buffoons like yourself could blame the whole situation on Israel.

    • Troll: Herald
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  58. @UncommonGround

    Here is the article which is more nuanced then what you say about a clear offer.
    What you do not realize is that the Palestinians were losers they were not going to get what they wanted. For them it was terms of surrender more then a deal.
    They were never going to sign off on “the end of conflict’ a big loophole for them that at anytime they can resume renegotiating after Israel has surrendered land, and they were never going to accept Israel as a Jewish state.
    If you are a loser in an all out war, capitulation is accepted and you take the best deal that you can get. The Palestinians were not willing to do that, their plan consisting of Peace meaning piece by piece.
    Something no Israeli could afford. The land is too small to defend and it is surrounded by enemies. If Israel lost they would get no deal, so they would have to maintain the higher military position, that is the always the way it is going to be. The Palestinians would rather accept no deal then one that will give the Israelis the upper hand.
    The Israelis have to have the upper hand to survive. Better go for separation, make Jordan the Palestinian state or go for some sort of confederacy between Israel, Egypt and Jordan. Where voting takes place accordingly to religion, but the three share territory and boundaries. You got to think outside the box. The two state thing is dead.

    https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2001/08/09/camp-david-the-tragedy-of-errors/

    Unless you are an all out racist biggot and will never see the forest thru the trees. Then what is the point of any of it.

  59. @Gilad Atzmon

    In the last few weeks, Palestinian solidarity enthusiasts have been creative in producing numerous proactive slogans. The one that grabbed my attention this week was “Balfour Declaration -100 years of ethnic cleansing.” This week actually marks a century of Zionist domination of the Western civilisation. But let me tell you, the real authentic Palestinians, those who live in Gaza and the West Bank may be slightly better off than the rest of us. While we are often overwhelmed by the sophistication of our masters in Tel Aviv, the Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza and Lebanon know exactly who their enemies are; they meet them in roadblocks, they recognise the sounds of their drones. Our enemy here, in the USA, in France and in Britain, is somehow elusive: is it Zionism, is it Israel, or maybe just the Lobby? Is it really ‘the Jews,’ or even Judaism? Where exactly does Judaism end and Jewishness start? Let me try to open your eyes. It is none of the above, and yet it might as well be all of the above and beyond. Zionism is a sophisticated matrix and it shifts rapidly. Zionism like Jewish anti Zionism strives for your intellectual castration. It somehow defies your opposition even before you can utter it yourself. How is this done? It obliterates your ability to act ethically and rationally. It targets your survival skills. How? It eradicates your Athenian roots and replaces them with a rigid Jerusalemite regulatory system.

    This is scholarly and unemotional? My first question is Heidegger your hero because of his philosophy or because he hated Jews? Be honest.

    This week actually marks a century of Zionist domination of the Western civilization.

    Domination of Western civilization? I am lucky to get the dogs fed everyday. You should go to like Bozeman Montana and meet some Jewish cowboys and find out what loneness is all about. You are so European and crazy I cannot compute it. But we have space here in the US, vast space and if you are here long enough it shakes the Aristocratic feudalism out of your system, the helplessness you must feel with all the pretentiousness around you.
    Out west lets say in North Dakota, you stand outside on a clear night, the stars literally touch the ground 360 degrees.

    I am not a philosophical expert but the above paragraph I quoted seems to me a blatant racist manifesto cloaked in philosophy. Especially the part about what is a Jew and Judaism.

    Is it really ‘the Jews,’ or even Judaism? Where exactly does Judaism end and Jewishness start? Let me try to open your eyes.
    You definitely open something but not my eyes.

    Heidegger said that the Jews were world-less. The Jews got Heidegger and created facts on the ground in Palestine, they bought land from absentee Ottoman Sheiks etc. and the rest is history. No one knew what was ahead after Balfour. No one could imagine.

    You and people like you will make sure Zionism and Israel survive forever. You Gilad are the best thing that ever happened for Zionism, and the Jews better then any pogrom.

  60. @Fran Taubman

    Bill Clinton wrote about it and since he was there, he said Arafat walked away.
    Barak lost his political career over that plan. Omert as well. Tippi Livini gave her life to making peace with the Arabs.
    Israel swapped land to Egypt and Jordan, for peace.
    Every Israeli I know wanted peace in 2000, everyone.
    You hide behind a scenario that makes it comfortable to hate Israel and feed your racist ideology.

    Most of your comment looks like a joke. Yes, Israel had to make peace with Egypt after a war that had caused many losses. Israel gave back the land that they had stolen in an conquest war, a criminal war. But they have never intended to give back to the Palestinians what they stole from them. Clinton is irrelevant. He has no credibility. Clinton said that he would defend Israel with a machine gun in his hand. He sent a team of mediators to negotiations between Palestinians and Jews which had practically only Jews in it. Why? What does it mean that Arafat walked away? Nothing. Of course he did, just like Clinton and Barak, the author of “Barak’s generous lies”. Maybe you should read what you yourself post in your next post. The link you give is exactly what I meant when I spoke of Malley. Here some excerpts from Haaretz concerning Malley and his article:

    Robert Malley is feeling abused these days. A former Middle East expert at the Clinton White House, Malley found himself last month at the center of an international furor after publishing the first of a number of what Israeli and American Jewish leaders call “revisionist” accounts of what happened last year at the Camp David summit.

    Malley says he was trying to “open a debate” over a crucial event that he views as largely misunderstood. Now he has the likes of Mortimer Zuckerman and Abraham Foxman referring to him in vitriolic terms as a “junior bureaucrat” with “pro-Arab” views and “a suspicious agenda.” (…)

    At the summit, Barak offered far less than later accounts suggested, dangling further concessions as vague promises that only compounded Palestinian suspicions. (….) Since its appearance, the Malley-Agha article has stirred up a hornets’ nest of criticism from Israelis and American Jews who see it as tantamount to an apology for Arafat’s violence and rejectionism. Coupled with a lengthy account of the talks’ failure that appeared shortly afterward in the New York Times, the new version of last year’s diplomatic debacle has touched off alarm bells among activists concerned for Israel’s image. (….) Malley also received praise from an Israeli negotiator at Camp David, Gidi Greinstein, who said it was “an insult to the intelligence” to call Malley pro-Arab. (….) Zuckerman and Foxman, while impugning Malley’s intentions, both conceded that Barak might have made mistakes at Camp David. Still, as Foxman put it, “I don’t think this is the right time to cast doubts over Israel’s intentions.” (….) Malley replies. “We did not present a hierarchy of mistakes,” he said. “If some believe Arafat’s were worse than Barak’s or Clinton’s, it is their problem.”

    And here a review of another book (published by Princeton University Press) that tells more of this history: “Preventing Palestine: A Must Read History of Failed Peace-Making”. From the review:

    “….the internal debates that took place in Israeli cabinet meetings and how, at times, they would don a diplomatic mask of accommodation, while clinging to their firm refusal to surrender sovereignty of Palestinian lands or recognize the existence of a Palestinian nation; (…..) What emerges as key to the denial of Palestinian rights is the self-imposed paralysis of American decision-makers in the face of Israeli intransigence—

    https://lobelog.com/preventing-palestine-a-must-read-history-of-failed-peace-making/

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  61. anon[122] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Have we learned anything from this past experience? Why did not US bomb Israel for Lavon Affair or USS Liberty? Why US doesn’t bomb Israel for Israeli attacks on Lebanon and Syria?

    Actually why doesn’t anybody bomb UK Israel France Saudi for bombing Syria? It is beyond human imagination . It was beyond human imagination back then also but was limited to some Jews only.

  62. Anne Lid says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Total separation is fine, if both parties are satisfied with what they got. The way you tell it all the blame is on Palestinians. But it is known that prominent Israeli leaders never really wanted peace, they always wanted domination, regardless of public declarations to the opposite. So your own leaders have cheated you and put you in a precarious situation.
    Yes, it seems perfectly reasonable to me, that you should tell on Israeli boards that making more settlements is foolish. You cannot state that Israel has paid the Arabs for them and they have kindly agreed to get out from there so settlers can build on their lands.
    Bringing up doctrines of Islam does not help, since the orthodox have even worse beliefs, and they have immense influence on Israeli leadership.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  63. @Anne Lid

    There are extremist on both sides, but by and large the public on both sides wants peace.
    Israel offered many concessions and gave Gaza back. What did it get them Jihad, Jidhad, Jihad.
    That was sort of the last straw.
    The leadership in Israel changes not so of the Palestinians. Abbas and Hamas have not had elections in years.
    I do not blame the Palestinians I blame Arab dictators thru out the Arab world for holding their populations hostage to billionaire sheiks who keep their populations uneducated and poor, and use the Palestinians as pawns in their game of dominance.
    Islam does not allow for other religions to have prominence in their midst. True of Christianity as well just look at the Yazidis.

  64. @UncommonGround

    I really do not know where you are going with this. Are you saying that Arafat and the Palestinian leadership is stellar and blameless. Look at them, at Abbas. Saeb Ekerat said he was to blame for letting Arafat claim there was no Jewish Temple under the Haram.
    Muslims for some reason need to wipe out Jewish history to validate their own.
    I am not saying the Jews are without blame. But all the articles you show share the blame unlike what you claim. I read them did you?

    Israel gave back the land that they had stolen in an conquest war, a criminal war. But they have never intended to give back to the Palestinians what they stole from them.

    The land never belonged to the Palestinians there was never a country there, the land belonged to the Ottomans, except for those who purchased land and had land titles, true of both Palestinians and Jews. Those people have land rights.

    However you characterize the war, the Arabs and Palestinians lost. Wars have consequences. The Arabs have made no secret of wanting to wipe the Jews out. Destroy them utterly and totally.
    If the Arabs had won you would need to search thru a microscope to find a Jew over there.
    There are 1.7 million Palestinian citizens in Israel, Judges, doctors, politicians.
    Is your name Abdullah or Muhammad? You write like an irrational Jihadist.
    All Jewish criminality all Muslim victimization. How is that working out/

    Whatever the plan to take the land from the Jews has failed. Israel is a strong country. That is the way it ended up. Those are the facts on the ground as I write.
    Palestinians have to look to Jordan for their own country, it is not happening in Israel.
    Israel is not going to become another failed Arab state another Syria. Look Hamas and Fatah cannot get along. They fight amongst themselves.

    • Replies: @renfro
    , @Pat Kittle
  65. Skeptikal says:
    @Gilad Atzmon

    “as yours truly has been critical of BDS authoritarian attitude from day one (2005)…”

    I haven’t noticed an authoritarian attitude on the part of BDS.

    Can you explain further, please?

    Thanks.

  66. renfro says:
    @Fran Taubman

    Israel is not going to become another failed Arab state

    Israel is and has been a ‘failed’ state…..it cannot support itself…..it is dependent on the US and German aid and diaspora Jews contributions and foreign companies.
    A ‘welfare ‘ state is a failed state.

  67. @Fran Taubman

    ‘…Perhaps if the Ottomans had not sided with he Germans they would not have been colonized…’

    Who colonized the Ottomans? The attempt was made, actually — but it failed.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  68. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Irish Savant

    What say you of Cromwell?

    Not very positive for Ireland as I recall.

  69. Herald says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You continue with your farrago of lies. Israel has not relinquished sovereignty over Gaza, but simply turned it into an open air prison and death camp.

  70. @Colin Wright

    Are you saying that Sykes-Piccot was fiction? Not following nothing new there.

    • Replies: @anon
  71. ‘Are you saying that Sykes-Piccot was fiction? Not following nothing new there.’

    You seem to be operating under some sort of delusion that the Palestinians had some say in how the Ottoman Empire was run or what happened to it. This is a bit like holding your cat responsible for the fact that the electrical bill didn’t get paid.

  72. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You get all the rebuttals you need here–

    John Judis’s Truman book is a landmark in anti-Zionism

    “But Truman folded on these impulses, Judis says, in part because he needed $100,000 from political donors Abe Feinberg and Ed Kaufmann – a huge sum in 1948–for a whistlestop campaign trip through the midwest when his campaign was broke and Thomas Dewey was threatening to make him a one-termer. Those Zionist donors got “unmatched access to the White House.”
    The pattern never changes. In 2011 Obama’s need for the endorsement of Haim Saban and other “major Jewish donors” caused him to give in on Israel’s latest landgrab, its colonies in the West Bank, Judis writes.
    “In Obama’s first term, he replicated almost exactly what happened to Truman in his first term.

    Some of these advisers are White House officials, some are members of the Jewish agency, some occupy a “gray area” in between, it hardly matters. Ben Cohen was both advising the Jewish Agency and serving as an American representative to the UN; Robert Nathan was an economist in the Roosevelt and Truman administrations and also working for Chaim Weizmann in Palestine; Max Lowenthal was “a proverbial backroom operator… a fixture at the White House, even though he had no formal position and did not have an office.” Part of Louis Brandeis’s circle of Zionists, Lowenthal drafted memos that went directly to Truman. One said that opposing partition would put the United States “in the ridiculous role of trembling before the threats of a few nomadic tribes.”

    Franklin Roosevelt expressed a similar secular pragmatism. In 1944, he chided the two leading Zionist lobbyists, Rabbis Wise and Abba Silver, that they were pushing a course that could lead to war. Roosevelt reflected angrily: “”To think of it, two men, two holy men, coming here to ask me to let millions of people be killed in a jihad.”
    FDR surely feared a world war. So did Truman. So did the Arab Higher Committee, which warned that “any attempt to impose a solution contrary to the Arabs’ birthright will lead to trouble, bloodshed, and probably a third world war.”
    It is very hard not to see these warnings as prophetic. In resolving the great Jewish problem in Europe, the U.S. achieved what the State Department said it would achieve: it created endless unrest in the Middle East. As Stephen Walt emphasized to Haaretz last weekend, 9/11 was prompted in part by the Palestinian issue.

    Judis is somewhat more timorous when it comes to justice in the Middle East. Asserting that Palestinians have never had the right of self-determination and have been screwed by Zionists again and again raises a profound justice issue. That imbalance must be redressed, Judis writes.”

    https://mondoweiss.net/2014/04/judiss-landmark-zionism/

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  73. @Fran Taubman

    Dear Fran Taubman the Soapy Lampshade:

    Your Terrorist Theocracy of Eretz Yisrael owes most of the world a truly astonishing amount of reparations, for all the reasons others have delineated.

    Censorship, fraud, intimidation, extortion, & violence will ultimately fail you as the truth inevitably escapes.

    You will have fully earned what you have wrought.

    Have a nice day!
    🙂

  74. @anon

    Who cares about any of what you write pro or against Zionism. Wars upon wars were fought to try and defeat the Jews, and the Jews prevailed. Entire Arab armies were defeated. That is the way of the world and empires through out time. The English and the French, Russia and Poland, all fought for control of land and people. Fight, rinse and repeat.

    Had the Jews lost zionism would be a footnote. But they didn’t lose they won. What you write about politics is irrelevant. The Jews fought and won without no proxies. The rest is history and Israel will give no more land up. It is over and time to move on to another solution. A federally or Jordan or whatever.

    Most of the tragedies that have happened to the Palestinians (there were no such people called Palestinians in 1947), they called themselves Arabs, were inflicted by Arab leaders, who could care less about the refugees and refused to let them immigrate to other countries and kept them as refugees.

    I see no justice issues caused by the Zionist, there are 32 muslim only countries and one tiny tiny Jewish. That is the way it is, the way land and people have come and gone through time.
    The Palestinians are not any more important then the Armenians, or the tibetans or the Muslims of Burma or are being exterminate.

    The issue is religious, not land. There is a Jihad against Jews by Islamist. They want the Jews to be Dehmni, second class. Islam refuses to let Jews control any land in the ME, no matter how small, nothing to do with fairness or self determination. They could care less. The Islamist would rule by Fiat. The Jews are just as indigenous as the Arabs to Palestine.

    It is a religious war, the rest is all smoke and mirrors. There is no fairness, not justice, politics or Jewish money it is an attempt to eradicate the Jews, a plan that many many religions have tired to eradicate in the past and it has never worked. Maybe next time.
    But we do not sit and ponder about rationals, it is a waste of time.

  75. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:

    “The issue is religious, not land. There is a Jihad against Jews by Islamist. They want the Jews to be Dehmni, second class”
    Now it seems not a bad idea given the fact what they can do , how much damage they can do and how they do those damages.

    See if only those people like Brandies Frankfurter
    Rabbis Wise and Abba Silver, Ben Cohen Robert Nathan Chaim Weizmann Max Lowenthal , Abe Feinberg and Ed Kaufmann were not allowed to have same rights like other !!!
    Have you thought of that ? Now apply that to the IDF to the settlers , to Liberman Netnhyu, Grantz or to Kagan or Kristol and FDD/PNAC members

    Dhimni!! Hey bring it on ! It might save the world .

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  76. @anon

    Jews were not allowed the same rights thats how Zionism came to be. Are you like totally ignorant of the history of Jews. Many restrictions existed.
    Jews were taxed in Muslim lands, and were restricted from many government and private offices.
    Same through out Europe.
    America is different but when Zionism was forming, there were restrictions in the US as well.
    I do not think Jews are moving to Saudi Arabia any time soon.
    Like I said there are 32 muslim only countries where Jews cannot move to or have any rights.
    Israel is going to be a Jewish state.
    Most of the world hate Arab Muslim culture, look at KSA what a bunch of dirt bags those guys are.
    They cannot even protect their oil fields.

    • Replies: @anon
  77. anon[274] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    That was a good arrangement .
    That should be considered again . It’s for the good of the humanity .

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  78. @Fran Taubman

    Which one of your belongs to a “religion” that is in practice a race and proclaims that God chose their race above all others? Hint: it’s not Colin.

    When you define yourself by such a “divine racial supremacy” ideology, it’s just a bit difficult to credibly call other people racist and hateful.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  79. @Fran Taubman

    No fan of Islam, to be sure, but of the three “abrahamic” religions, Judaism is the only one that proclaims a belief that God chose its race of people to rule all others. Are you proud of that?

    How should one deal with people so arrogant, obnoxious, and delusional as to say that God chose them over you? Should we be warmly disposed towards you? Should we trust you to argue and act in good faith and respect us?

  80. @Fran Taubman

    Your “religion” proclaims that God chose your race of people over all others. Doesn’t put you in a credible position to lecture about hate.

    A la Linda Richman:
    “Judaism, religion or inbred racial-supremacist cult? Discuss amongst ya-selves.”

  81. @anon

    You hate Jews. I get it I feel for you. Do all you can to avoid them, and seek some help if need be. I do not think it is bad as you are making it out to be.

    • Replies: @anon
  82. @RadicalCenter

    Any one can convert and become a Jew. It is easy to do.

    The Jews were chosen during the bronze age to lead the world out of barbaric paganism to a one god civilized world. The pagan religions at that time used to practice child sacrifice and crazy pagan sexual acts. So there were laws enacted by god and executed by the Jews to stop that. Continuing with Jesus and them Mohammed all related to the same belief in one god. So the Jews accomplished what they were chosen to do.

    You are taking the chosen out of context from when it was applied, which was thousands of years ago.
    The Jews are commanded to do more rituals and commandments to elevate them spiritually, anyone can join in. If you follow all of those rules. They are designed to bring you closer to a divine presence.

    But no where does it say the Jews are superior or have a better in with the divine. I mean look at what the Jews have been through. I wish god had chosen someone else.

    I suppose if you hate Jews you can use the chosen out of it’s bronze age context to read as supremacy, but that is not the way it is suppose to work.

    • Replies: @RadicalCenter
  83. @Fran Taubman

    1. Your entire so-called “religion” is a racial ideology.

    2. You’re asking us to rely on the veracity of bill clinton.

    Please continue.

  84. @Fran Taubman

    Just to pick one bit of nonsense from your comment, which is not an “embarrassment of riches” but richly embarrassing.

    You laud the Jews for stopping perverse pagan sexual practices.

    The same Jews who wrote and follow genesis, which portrays women knowingly having sexual intercourse with their own biological father, without any condemnation. Explain that part of your maniacal book away, you paragons of sexual virtue.

    You know, all you have to say is that that passage is morally sick and that you don’t put any credence in it. Will you do that, “Deaf-man”?

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  85. anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Fran Taubman

    You got this right except that it applies to the neoocns, figures like Bennet, Barak Netnayhau ,Liberman , past figures like Sharon Ben Guiron Weizmann .
    .Well You get the idea .
    They should be processed through a new Nuremberg trial

    Does it help you now?

  86. @RadicalCenter

    You have got to be the most ignorant or just plain dumbest person on this thread and that is saying something considering all the Neo Nazi’s and Jihadist on here. Even the Jihadist know the Sodom and Gomorrah story, you can google it. It is a pretty big bible story.

    God saw the perversions going on, along with child sacrifice which was widely practiced. The Jews handed the world the 10 commandments and the Noahide laws.
    Other commandments on incest and other sexual practice are listed in Leviticus, you can also google them.

    Yep it was a big deal when these commandments were revealed. It sort of set the narrative for morality moving forward. But hey you can be “richly embarrassed” by “embarrassing riches” all day long if that makes sense to you.

    But trust me there is a big story here and yes the Jews contributed mightily to the advancement of civilization in a big way. That was what the Jews were chosen to do by god. Advance and share these laws with the world.
    Ask Jesus or Mohammed. It cut a big swath. Take a peak at the Noahide laws.

    [MORE]

    Do not profane G‑d’s Oneness in any way.
    Acknowledge that there is a single G‑d who cares about what we are doing and desires that we take care of His world.
    Do not curse your Creator.
    No matter how angry you may be, do not take it out verbally against your Creator.
    Do not murder.
    The value of human life cannot be measured. To destroy a single human life is to destroy the entire world—because, for that person, the world has ceased to exist. It follows that by sustaining a single human life, you are sustaining an entire universe.
    Do not eat a limb of a living animal.
    Respect the life of all G‑d’s creatures. As intelligent beings, we have a duty not to cause undue pain to other creatures.
    Do not steal.
    Whatever benefits you receive in this world, make sure that none of them are at the unfair expense of someone else.
    Harness and channel the human libido.
    Incest, adultery, rape and homosexual relations are forbidden.
    The family unit is the foundation of human society. Sexuality is the fountain of life and so nothing is more holy than the sexual act. So, too, when abused, nothing can be more debasing and destructive to the human being.
    Establish courts of law and ensure justice in our world.
    With every small act of justice, we are restoring harmony to our world, synchronizing it with a supernal order. That is why we must keep the laws established by our government for the country’s stability and harmony.

    • Replies: @Jim Edwards
  87. @Fran Taubman

    Only a religious fanatic would actually believe that God favors one tribe over another – unless of course you’ve created an ethnic god like Yarweh – the ensuing bigottry is to be expected. But if god did favour one tribe it certainly wouldn’t be a crime/scandal infested group like yours. Only a fanatic would actually believe there is a biblical sanction ot a certain piece of land, but then the OT wasn’t written by god – the old testament was written by a bunch of crusty, mean spirited, angry ethnics hell bent on creating nation building myths.

  88. @Fran Taubman

    Sodom and Gomorrah – did you know there actually is brine that if struck by lightning can start a fire?

    But a fanatic nutjob wouldn’t realize that there is a kernel of truth to the S and G story – but just a kernel. For the nut job, the myst becomes the truth – as long as it is self serving.

    • Replies: @Fran Taubman
  89. @Jim Edwards

    Nut job just look in the mirror. I am not giving opinions I am merely reporting history of the western world. No fanatissim needed to report history.
    Do you dispute the 10 commandments
    Do you dispute the Noahide laws?

    These are basic ethical standards western civilization was founded on to separate from the barbarity of pagan rituals of antiquity.

    The Jews and Judaism were at the forefront or the first to recognize and implement those laws.
    Just stating facts.

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