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Dear Mexican: Math problem: If there are 20 Mexicans, 20 Indians, 20 Chinese, 20 Puerto Ricans, 20 Blacks, and one white person on a room, then how many people are there in the room who’s identity is used as a benchmark to establish the identities of the rest of the people in the room? (Hint: not a colored person.)

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Dear Gabacho: The 20 Mexicans—because everyone else will do everything possible to let the world know they’re not Mexican once the deportation train comes along.

OPEN LETTER TO MEXICANS AFRAID OF PRESIDENT-ELECT TRUMP: Gentle cabrones: fear not. Our raza has gone up against Cortés, Maximillian, Winfield Scott, Porfirio Diaz, the PRI, the narcos, Enrique Peña Nieto, Harrison Gray Otis and Harry Chandler (the founder of the Los Angeles Times and his son-in-law, who owned hundreds of thousands of acres in Mexico and published all sorts of calumny against Pancho Villa, Francisco Madero, and Emiliano Zapata), Maná, the PAN, Joe Arpaio, Pete Wilson, the Salinas de Gortarís, Tlatelolco, the Pastry War, Santa Anna, Victoriano Huerta, Henry Lane Wilson, Álvaro Obregon, Plutarco Elías Calles, NAFTA, Maseca, Rick Bayless, the 1994 devaluation of the peso, the 1986 Mexico City earthquake, Arjen Robben, 7-0 versus Chile in the Copa Ámerica, Landon Donovan, Dos a Cero, Barbara Coe, Hollywood, the Texians, Taco Bell, the pinche rinches, border walls, la migra, the Zimmerman affair, femicide in Juarez, genocide against our indigenous ancestors, the pillaging of our natural resources by the Spanish, gachupines, gringos, Yanquis, Carlos Slim, Jorge Hank Rhon, the Creel-Terrazas family, José Jiménez, the Frito Bandito, “We don’t need no steenkin’ badges,” “Go back to Mexico!,” “beaner,” “wetback,” “illegal alien savage,” “invader,” los científicos, ICE, the health inspector, soyrizo, ¡Ask a Mexican!, Linda Chavez, Ruben Navarette, KFI-AM 640, FOX News, Lou Dobbs, cholos, Ask a Chola, the Mexican Mafia, vendidos, Tío Tacos, SB 1070, Proposition 187, the Sensebrenner bill, the fall of Tenochtitlán, that TIME Magazine cover about “Saving Mexico,” Ben Affleck playing a Chicano in Argo, Matt Damon playing a half-Mexican in The Good Shepherd, Operation Wetback, the Great Arizona Orphan Abduction, Jan Brewer, the Zoot Suit Riots, the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, the Gadsden Purchase, James K. Polk, John C. Frémont, school segregation, housing covenant, lynch mobs, Pikers, Ann Coulter, The Children of Sanchez, Robbery Under Law, the gentrification of mezcal, the Columbusing of elote, Katt Williams, Adam Carolla, the Republicans, the Democrats, capitalism, colonialism, imperialism, “Come a Little Bit Closer,” John Wayne, the Dirty Sanchez, Vicente Fox, Felipe Calderón, Paul Rodriguez, the Hispanic 100, tortillas and tamales in a can, Drinko por Cinco, Televisa, Univisón, Jacobo Zabludovsky, #tacotrucksoneverycorner and that one girlfriend who broke up with you because her parents thought you were a gang member even though you were a graduate student at UCLA at the time and was working a full-time job while their itinerant daughter was mooching off Mommy and Daddy, and many, many more pendejos—and have not only survived, but thrived. Are we a bunch of whiny Trumpbros, or are we Mexicans? Pónganse las pilas, y a trabajar, banda. Oh, and #fucktrump

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  1. Glad you mentioned Carlos Slim, the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo and the Zoot Suit Riots.

    Did you forget Joan Baez, the Zetas (many trained by School of the Americas graduates), the Bureau of Firearms Alcohol and Tobacco (Gunwalking to drug gangs), the Border Patrol & Billy Sol Estes?

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  2. Yes, be afraid and GTFO along with your CentAm buddies. Your labor is not needed due to computerization and robots. The last thing we need is more of your dumb anchor babies because their future labor will not be needed. If I were Donald Trump I would offer all illegals 5-10 thousand dollars to leave but we get their biometric data on their way out. So that if they sneak back in to America they get sent to prison. Some kind of cheap and nasty border prisons we pay Mexico to operate for us. Just over the border.

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    • Replies: @in the middle
    The wall is going to keep Americans in! How stupid can you be? Which country is a police state? Hint, it is between Canada and Mexico. All that rabid get out stuff is for ignoramus who believe all they see in Fox news and CNN. By the way, good job creating divisions among Americans; yes, those people you call Mexicans were in what is Now the southwest wayyyy before any European arrived. So who should get out? But in good conscience no body should get out, but rather work all together for making America great again, because if you were born in the USA, for all purposes and needs, you are an American, and no, you will not be send back to Europe. So get used to work for making America greater.

    I was reading that Trump's wife was working illegally way back, should we send her back to Slovenia? oh no, why? she is part of what ignoramus call 'white', although she looks more like a gypsy female, south American woman.
  3. Fell asleep 1/2 way thru this open letter.
    Brevity, soul, wit.. etc, etc..
    Plus, You forgot Breaking Bad; and Savages.

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  4. LOL. The Spaniard Cortez utterly conquered the indigenous people of whatever Mexico was called back in the day. It’s why you proudly speak Spanish to this day, vato, and why most Mexicans are Catholic.

    Mexicans can overcome their inferiority complex in relation to full-European Whites by embracing the European segments of their DNA. I’d like to see a return of the phrase “olive skinned,” you know: like a White person with a perma-tan.

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    • Replies: @Jefferson
    "Mexicans can overcome their inferiority complex in relation to full-European Whites by embracing the European segments of their DNA. I’d like to see a return of the phrase “olive skinned,” you know: like a White person with a perma-tan.

    Brown Mexicans are White people with perma-tans? Are you saying they look like Mediterraneans? You need your eyes checked if you believe Mayan Apocalypto looking Mexicans resemble the cast of The Sopranos.
  5. Lee Trevino, don’t forget him. He was a pain in Palmer and Nicklaus’s asses too. Oh and #fuckArellano, too

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  6. All of John Wayne’s three wives were Hispanic (granted that’s not a very meaningful term)

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    • Replies: @E. A. Costa
    Don't forget Carlotta Monti (Montijo). Her W.C. Fields And Me is well worth the read.
  7. @Clyde
    Yes, be afraid and GTFO along with your CentAm buddies. Your labor is not needed due to computerization and robots. The last thing we need is more of your dumb anchor babies because their future labor will not be needed. If I were Donald Trump I would offer all illegals 5-10 thousand dollars to leave but we get their biometric data on their way out. So that if they sneak back in to America they get sent to prison. Some kind of cheap and nasty border prisons we pay Mexico to operate for us. Just over the border.

    The wall is going to keep Americans in! How stupid can you be? Which country is a police state? Hint, it is between Canada and Mexico. All that rabid get out stuff is for ignoramus who believe all they see in Fox news and CNN. By the way, good job creating divisions among Americans; yes, those people you call Mexicans were in what is Now the southwest wayyyy before any European arrived. So who should get out? But in good conscience no body should get out, but rather work all together for making America great again, because if you were born in the USA, for all purposes and needs, you are an American, and no, you will not be send back to Europe. So get used to work for making America greater.

    I was reading that Trump’s wife was working illegally way back, should we send her back to Slovenia? oh no, why? she is part of what ignoramus call ‘white’, although she looks more like a gypsy female, south American woman.

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    • Replies: @Marcus
    For all our problems, neither Canada nor Mexico have anything like the 1st amendment. Look up the Zundel trial or kidnapping/execution of journalists in Mexico.
    , @Jefferson
    "I was reading that Trump’s wife was working illegally way back, should we send her back to Slovenia? oh no, why? she is part of what ignoramus call ‘white’, although she looks more like a gypsy female, south American woman."

    Melania Trump looks quite White standing next to the Brown hordes of Mexican Mayans and Aztecs flooding into The U.S.
  8. @in the middle
    The wall is going to keep Americans in! How stupid can you be? Which country is a police state? Hint, it is between Canada and Mexico. All that rabid get out stuff is for ignoramus who believe all they see in Fox news and CNN. By the way, good job creating divisions among Americans; yes, those people you call Mexicans were in what is Now the southwest wayyyy before any European arrived. So who should get out? But in good conscience no body should get out, but rather work all together for making America great again, because if you were born in the USA, for all purposes and needs, you are an American, and no, you will not be send back to Europe. So get used to work for making America greater.

    I was reading that Trump's wife was working illegally way back, should we send her back to Slovenia? oh no, why? she is part of what ignoramus call 'white', although she looks more like a gypsy female, south American woman.

    For all our problems, neither Canada nor Mexico have anything like the 1st amendment. Look up the Zundel trial or kidnapping/execution of journalists in Mexico.

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    Yes, Mexicans are so great that they have to go to another country by the millions.

    Why do they have to go to the US then? Why don’t they stay in Mexico and “make Mexico great again”? I know, because Mexico was never that great, Mexicans are just a hybrid of Spaniards with several different tribes of Amerindians, a cultural and racial mix that never went anywhere.

    I say this as someone from South America, I see very little reason to be proud of that land. I don’t hate Mexico and I think some Mexicans are nice people, I just wish they did not emigrate illegally by the millions to the USA and then still have the audacity to protest a president elect.

    Let’s be honest, the reason all non-whites go to the USA is because they can live off the creation, technology and government of the white societies.

    But when Whitey is gone, what will they do?

    But Whites are dumb to take them all in, so screw Whitey too.

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    • Replies: @E. A. Costa
    A large part of the US southwest and west IS Mexico--culturally, linguistically, and in other ways. If the going gets tough, maybe they'll break out the Zorro.

    Why don't you fellas take on Miami, which was never Cuban traditionally?
    , @Clyde
    You got that right. I have met Colombians who look like they just stepped off an airplane from Paris or London. They have the right Euro-genes, they and their children need to get more Anglo and less "Spanish" as they live in America. Hopefully. But I will admit the young native born Anglos (north European) here turn away from Anglo culture more and more each year and adopt the ways of third worlders and even mate w them. It's a real mess but we have to do the best we can.
    I really dislike the Indian cultures of Mexico and Central America. I would to visit there and see the Indian ruins some day. Mayan and Aztec ruins. But to allow them to invade America is lunacy. There is no upside. We spent many lives and treasure conquering and subduing the legitimate natives-Indians of the United States of America. And now we allow America to be invaded-colonized by the Indians, half-Indians, Aztecs, Mayans of Mexico and Central America. This is lunacy and major weakness.
    I read "Conquest: Cortes, Montezuma, and the Fall of Old Mexico" by Thomas, learned a lot from that book. I have seen many South of the border Indians and half-Indians within a hundred miles of where I live, but never an Indian from a US tribe.
  10. @Marcus
    All of John Wayne's three wives were Hispanic (granted that's not a very meaningful term)

    Don’t forget Carlotta Monti (Montijo). Her W.C. Fields And Me is well worth the read.

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  11. Should Mexicans be Afraid of President-Elect Trump?

    Mexicans in Mexico stand to gain from the renegotiation of NAFTA which has hurt both countries. Mexican Americans stand to gain from the closing of the border which enhances their employment prospects. Mexican felons who are here illegally will likely be deported. After closing the border I would hope that non felon immigrants will be naturalized. As citizens, employers would have no reason to prefer them to say black or white workers.

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    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    The elites in Mexico and central America want to dump their human effluent on the US. NAFTA may have hurt the Mexican peasant farmer but getting him out of the country and into the US is exactly how the Mexican elite want to handle the problem rather that create some form of welfare or social services for him.

    After closing the border I would hope that non felon immigrants will be naturalized. As citizens, employers would have no reason to prefer them to say black or white workers.

    Can you say amnesty again in 30 years?
    , @E. A. Costa
    He was a heavy, middle-aged fellow from the hills of Alabama. You could tell he had once worked hard physically but was now overweight. He was owner and boss of an asphalt laying outfit in one of the wealthiest counties in the Northern US. His sons also worked for the outfit.

    All the rest of the empoyees were Mexicans, recently from Mexico--about thirty of them. One talked with him for long hours over several weeks. For those who know their U.S. history, the hills of Alabama are where Tecumseh Sherman got his bodyguard, since they tended to be anti-slavery and were not trusted by the Confederates. Gradually we got to be fairly friendly. While going to school one had worked asphalt on a huge contract for the then third largest construction company in the world, compared to which his was a small operation, so we both enjoyed comparing notes.

    Then one day he mentioned he was a preacher with his own church and thus was busy every Sunday in Alabama. I asked him about his church. He told me they were serpent handlers. At first I thought he was kidding, but he was not. I had lived in parts of the South when young, so I knew such sects existed. If anything my opinion of him went up--for the serpent handlers, however unfounded their doctrines, have a faith that requires real cojones.

    He got on well with his Mexicans, though almost none of them spoke English. One of them was a middleweight prize fighter. They obviously knew he had real cojones too and he always kept his word. Moreover, he kept them working as late into the year as he could and he had a reliable crew that stayed with him.

    As we got a bit more friendly, he took one aside one day and said, "You notice all my guys are Mexicans, except my sons. You know why?" One said no. He said, "I don't hire the white man or the black man anymore. All they are is complaints and trouble. Some of them work three days and hurt their backs or so they say and try to get workmen's compensation. I am a white man but I am ashamed of them now. My sons work as hard as I did. And these Mexicans are the best and hardest workers I have ever had. They are Catholic and I am from a sect they know nothing about. But we get along fine. And as long as I have this business up north I will hire only Mexicans and I don't care if they are legal or illegal. They are good workers. Both they and my family and business do well by one another."

    Then he drove off in his Cadillac--probably for Sunday church the next day.
  12. Given that Señor Trump increasingly seems like Bruce Wayne and straight out of a Batman comic, this could turn into Lucha Libre between the Caped Crusader and the Cisco Kid. Not the Angel Eyes killer of O. Henry, the teevy series. It may take a while, which Señor Trump does not have–but the smart money is on Duncan Renaldo and Leo Carrillo, who played a variation on Don Q. and Sancho. Hey, Pancho. Hey, Cisco.

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  13. @Anonymous
    Yes, Mexicans are so great that they have to go to another country by the millions.

    Why do they have to go to the US then? Why don't they stay in Mexico and "make Mexico great again"? I know, because Mexico was never that great, Mexicans are just a hybrid of Spaniards with several different tribes of Amerindians, a cultural and racial mix that never went anywhere.

    I say this as someone from South America, I see very little reason to be proud of that land. I don't hate Mexico and I think some Mexicans are nice people, I just wish they did not emigrate illegally by the millions to the USA and then still have the audacity to protest a president elect.

    Let's be honest, the reason all non-whites go to the USA is because they can live off the creation, technology and government of the white societies.

    But when Whitey is gone, what will they do?

    But Whites are dumb to take them all in, so screw Whitey too.

    A large part of the US southwest and west IS Mexico–culturally, linguistically, and in other ways. If the going gets tough, maybe they’ll break out the Zorro.

    Why don’t you fellas take on Miami, which was never Cuban traditionally?

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    • Replies: @Marcus
    All of Latin America has a presence in Miami. Regarding the southwest (excluding Texas), the Mexican population before 1848 was very small: around 75,000 Mexican nationals, and that number probably included many superficially Hispanicized Indios who didn't care much for Mexico.
    , @Anonymous
    Miami is a cesspool. Mexicans or Cubans or Puerto Ricans, whatever. I don't like Latino culture in general, that's why I left Latin America.

    California is not Mexico. I'll give you a hint, visit Tijuana and then visit San Diego or Santa Barbara and you'll see the difference.

    Yes they kept a lot of names and a few buildings by the Spanish conquistadores (Spanish, not Mexicans), but that's about it.

    Regardless, even if there is a cultural connection with Mexico, this is still not a reason for filling the whole of the United States with zillions of illegal aliens, is it??

    By the way, I do not live in the USA right now so it does not affect me. But it is sad to watch the USA becoming Mexico Norte and Europe becoming Eurabia, oh yes it is sad.
  14. @WorkingClass
    Should Mexicans be Afraid of President-Elect Trump?

    Mexicans in Mexico stand to gain from the renegotiation of NAFTA which has hurt both countries. Mexican Americans stand to gain from the closing of the border which enhances their employment prospects. Mexican felons who are here illegally will likely be deported. After closing the border I would hope that non felon immigrants will be naturalized. As citizens, employers would have no reason to prefer them to say black or white workers.

    The elites in Mexico and central America want to dump their human effluent on the US. NAFTA may have hurt the Mexican peasant farmer but getting him out of the country and into the US is exactly how the Mexican elite want to handle the problem rather that create some form of welfare or social services for him.

    After closing the border I would hope that non felon immigrants will be naturalized. As citizens, employers would have no reason to prefer them to say black or white workers.

    Can you say amnesty again in 30 years?

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    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    From my perspective, white working class, we must either deport or naturalize or both. I doubt that mass deportations are politically doable. Either way, the essential first step is to close the border.

    The Donald said: "We need borders. You can't have a country without borders." Why would he say something so obvious? Because there is a popular notion among our rulers and the simpletons among our countrymen that countries and borders are a bad thing. They are wrong. The nation state must be preserved as it is the only thing standing between us and a monolithic global feudalism.
  15. @E. A. Costa
    A large part of the US southwest and west IS Mexico--culturally, linguistically, and in other ways. If the going gets tough, maybe they'll break out the Zorro.

    Why don't you fellas take on Miami, which was never Cuban traditionally?

    All of Latin America has a presence in Miami. Regarding the southwest (excluding Texas), the Mexican population before 1848 was very small: around 75,000 Mexican nationals, and that number probably included many superficially Hispanicized Indios who didn’t care much for Mexico.

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    • Replies: @E. A. Costa
    Sure, sure. The "excluding Texas" is droll. Even droller-- "All of Latin America has a presence in Miami". Which happens not to be true--seen a lot of Argentines there? More important, meaning, er, what--that Miami is traditionally Spanish-speaking? Read the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, have you?

    The next thing you'll be quoting is John Locke on "improvement", jeje.
  16. @WorkingClass
    Should Mexicans be Afraid of President-Elect Trump?

    Mexicans in Mexico stand to gain from the renegotiation of NAFTA which has hurt both countries. Mexican Americans stand to gain from the closing of the border which enhances their employment prospects. Mexican felons who are here illegally will likely be deported. After closing the border I would hope that non felon immigrants will be naturalized. As citizens, employers would have no reason to prefer them to say black or white workers.

    He was a heavy, middle-aged fellow from the hills of Alabama. You could tell he had once worked hard physically but was now overweight. He was owner and boss of an asphalt laying outfit in one of the wealthiest counties in the Northern US. His sons also worked for the outfit.

    All the rest of the empoyees were Mexicans, recently from Mexico–about thirty of them. One talked with him for long hours over several weeks. For those who know their U.S. history, the hills of Alabama are where Tecumseh Sherman got his bodyguard, since they tended to be anti-slavery and were not trusted by the Confederates. Gradually we got to be fairly friendly. While going to school one had worked asphalt on a huge contract for the then third largest construction company in the world, compared to which his was a small operation, so we both enjoyed comparing notes.

    Then one day he mentioned he was a preacher with his own church and thus was busy every Sunday in Alabama. I asked him about his church. He told me they were serpent handlers. At first I thought he was kidding, but he was not. I had lived in parts of the South when young, so I knew such sects existed. If anything my opinion of him went up–for the serpent handlers, however unfounded their doctrines, have a faith that requires real cojones.

    He got on well with his Mexicans, though almost none of them spoke English. One of them was a middleweight prize fighter. They obviously knew he had real cojones too and he always kept his word. Moreover, he kept them working as late into the year as he could and he had a reliable crew that stayed with him.

    As we got a bit more friendly, he took one aside one day and said, “You notice all my guys are Mexicans, except my sons. You know why?” One said no. He said, “I don’t hire the white man or the black man anymore. All they are is complaints and trouble. Some of them work three days and hurt their backs or so they say and try to get workmen’s compensation. I am a white man but I am ashamed of them now. My sons work as hard as I did. And these Mexicans are the best and hardest workers I have ever had. They are Catholic and I am from a sect they know nothing about. But we get along fine. And as long as I have this business up north I will hire only Mexicans and I don’t care if they are legal or illegal. They are good workers. Both they and my family and business do well by one another.”

    Then he drove off in his Cadillac–probably for Sunday church the next day.

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    • Replies: @WorkingClass
    Why did you address this to me?
    , @Adar.
    " I asked him about his church. He told me they were serpent handlers. At first I thought he was kidding, but he was not. I had lived in parts of the South when young, so I knew such sects existed. If anything my opinion of him went up–for the serpent handlers, however unfounded their doctrines, have a faith that requires real cojones."



    They place the snakes in a refrigerator before they take them out. The snakes are in a torpid state and cannot respond to handling. Hardly a danger and not requiring a whole lot of cojones. Those hill people are really smart I do declare.
  17. @E. A. Costa
    He was a heavy, middle-aged fellow from the hills of Alabama. You could tell he had once worked hard physically but was now overweight. He was owner and boss of an asphalt laying outfit in one of the wealthiest counties in the Northern US. His sons also worked for the outfit.

    All the rest of the empoyees were Mexicans, recently from Mexico--about thirty of them. One talked with him for long hours over several weeks. For those who know their U.S. history, the hills of Alabama are where Tecumseh Sherman got his bodyguard, since they tended to be anti-slavery and were not trusted by the Confederates. Gradually we got to be fairly friendly. While going to school one had worked asphalt on a huge contract for the then third largest construction company in the world, compared to which his was a small operation, so we both enjoyed comparing notes.

    Then one day he mentioned he was a preacher with his own church and thus was busy every Sunday in Alabama. I asked him about his church. He told me they were serpent handlers. At first I thought he was kidding, but he was not. I had lived in parts of the South when young, so I knew such sects existed. If anything my opinion of him went up--for the serpent handlers, however unfounded their doctrines, have a faith that requires real cojones.

    He got on well with his Mexicans, though almost none of them spoke English. One of them was a middleweight prize fighter. They obviously knew he had real cojones too and he always kept his word. Moreover, he kept them working as late into the year as he could and he had a reliable crew that stayed with him.

    As we got a bit more friendly, he took one aside one day and said, "You notice all my guys are Mexicans, except my sons. You know why?" One said no. He said, "I don't hire the white man or the black man anymore. All they are is complaints and trouble. Some of them work three days and hurt their backs or so they say and try to get workmen's compensation. I am a white man but I am ashamed of them now. My sons work as hard as I did. And these Mexicans are the best and hardest workers I have ever had. They are Catholic and I am from a sect they know nothing about. But we get along fine. And as long as I have this business up north I will hire only Mexicans and I don't care if they are legal or illegal. They are good workers. Both they and my family and business do well by one another."

    Then he drove off in his Cadillac--probably for Sunday church the next day.

    Why did you address this to me?

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  18. @Anonymous
    Yes, Mexicans are so great that they have to go to another country by the millions.

    Why do they have to go to the US then? Why don't they stay in Mexico and "make Mexico great again"? I know, because Mexico was never that great, Mexicans are just a hybrid of Spaniards with several different tribes of Amerindians, a cultural and racial mix that never went anywhere.

    I say this as someone from South America, I see very little reason to be proud of that land. I don't hate Mexico and I think some Mexicans are nice people, I just wish they did not emigrate illegally by the millions to the USA and then still have the audacity to protest a president elect.

    Let's be honest, the reason all non-whites go to the USA is because they can live off the creation, technology and government of the white societies.

    But when Whitey is gone, what will they do?

    But Whites are dumb to take them all in, so screw Whitey too.

    You got that right. I have met Colombians who look like they just stepped off an airplane from Paris or London. They have the right Euro-genes, they and their children need to get more Anglo and less “Spanish” as they live in America. Hopefully. But I will admit the young native born Anglos (north European) here turn away from Anglo culture more and more each year and adopt the ways of third worlders and even mate w them. It’s a real mess but we have to do the best we can.
    I really dislike the Indian cultures of Mexico and Central America. I would to visit there and see the Indian ruins some day. Mayan and Aztec ruins. But to allow them to invade America is lunacy. There is no upside. We spent many lives and treasure conquering and subduing the legitimate natives-Indians of the United States of America. And now we allow America to be invaded-colonized by the Indians, half-Indians, Aztecs, Mayans of Mexico and Central America. This is lunacy and major weakness.
    I read “Conquest: Cortes, Montezuma, and the Fall of Old Mexico” by Thomas, learned a lot from that book. I have seen many South of the border Indians and half-Indians within a hundred miles of where I live, but never an Indian from a US tribe.

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  19. My predictions:

    Most of the illegal aliens and their dreamers/anchor-babies are not going to be deported.

    The process for deporting illegals who are also felons will be improved/streamlined; more of them winding up in prison. No more (or greatly reduced) “five time deportees/felons murdering Kathryn Steinle.” (Surely we can *all* agree on that).

    Likewise steps will be taken to address people overstaying their visas.

    In-state tuition for illegals will either end, as well it should, or become less common.

    There is not going to be a serious effort to reduce the number coming in on work-visas.

    We may see renewed emphasis on E-verify.

    Possibly tightened restrictions on “welfare” for all immigrants, legal and illegal.

    ICE and the Border Patrol will receive more support. Whether it’s enough to make a serious difference remains to be seen.

    Likewise efforts will be made to bring the so-called sanctuary-cities to heel; said efforts may be more cosmetic than substantive.

    Trump is already dialing-back the whole “wall” thing.

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    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    Trump needs to be pushed by the American public, there is no doubt.
  20. @MarkinLA
    The elites in Mexico and central America want to dump their human effluent on the US. NAFTA may have hurt the Mexican peasant farmer but getting him out of the country and into the US is exactly how the Mexican elite want to handle the problem rather that create some form of welfare or social services for him.

    After closing the border I would hope that non felon immigrants will be naturalized. As citizens, employers would have no reason to prefer them to say black or white workers.

    Can you say amnesty again in 30 years?

    From my perspective, white working class, we must either deport or naturalize or both. I doubt that mass deportations are politically doable. Either way, the essential first step is to close the border.

    The Donald said: “We need borders. You can’t have a country without borders.” Why would he say something so obvious? Because there is a popular notion among our rulers and the simpletons among our countrymen that countries and borders are a bad thing. They are wrong. The nation state must be preserved as it is the only thing standing between us and a monolithic global feudalism.

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  21. You forgot Speedy Gonzales. Or is it Gonzalez? A beloved character in Mexico. Able to always outwit the gringo cat Sylvester. Mexican see themselves as such.

    Surviving is one thing. Thriving is another. You want the latter and not merely the former.

    Viva Donaldo! Viva la Raza Blanca.

    See, you even have me speaking your way now. See?

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  22. @E. A. Costa
    He was a heavy, middle-aged fellow from the hills of Alabama. You could tell he had once worked hard physically but was now overweight. He was owner and boss of an asphalt laying outfit in one of the wealthiest counties in the Northern US. His sons also worked for the outfit.

    All the rest of the empoyees were Mexicans, recently from Mexico--about thirty of them. One talked with him for long hours over several weeks. For those who know their U.S. history, the hills of Alabama are where Tecumseh Sherman got his bodyguard, since they tended to be anti-slavery and were not trusted by the Confederates. Gradually we got to be fairly friendly. While going to school one had worked asphalt on a huge contract for the then third largest construction company in the world, compared to which his was a small operation, so we both enjoyed comparing notes.

    Then one day he mentioned he was a preacher with his own church and thus was busy every Sunday in Alabama. I asked him about his church. He told me they were serpent handlers. At first I thought he was kidding, but he was not. I had lived in parts of the South when young, so I knew such sects existed. If anything my opinion of him went up--for the serpent handlers, however unfounded their doctrines, have a faith that requires real cojones.

    He got on well with his Mexicans, though almost none of them spoke English. One of them was a middleweight prize fighter. They obviously knew he had real cojones too and he always kept his word. Moreover, he kept them working as late into the year as he could and he had a reliable crew that stayed with him.

    As we got a bit more friendly, he took one aside one day and said, "You notice all my guys are Mexicans, except my sons. You know why?" One said no. He said, "I don't hire the white man or the black man anymore. All they are is complaints and trouble. Some of them work three days and hurt their backs or so they say and try to get workmen's compensation. I am a white man but I am ashamed of them now. My sons work as hard as I did. And these Mexicans are the best and hardest workers I have ever had. They are Catholic and I am from a sect they know nothing about. But we get along fine. And as long as I have this business up north I will hire only Mexicans and I don't care if they are legal or illegal. They are good workers. Both they and my family and business do well by one another."

    Then he drove off in his Cadillac--probably for Sunday church the next day.

    ” I asked him about his church. He told me they were serpent handlers. At first I thought he was kidding, but he was not. I had lived in parts of the South when young, so I knew such sects existed. If anything my opinion of him went up–for the serpent handlers, however unfounded their doctrines, have a faith that requires real cojones.”

    They place the snakes in a refrigerator before they take them out. The snakes are in a torpid state and cannot respond to handling. Hardly a danger and not requiring a whole lot of cojones. Those hill people are really smart I do declare.

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    Go to a service, why don't you?--they could use you as warm up.
  23. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @E. A. Costa
    A large part of the US southwest and west IS Mexico--culturally, linguistically, and in other ways. If the going gets tough, maybe they'll break out the Zorro.

    Why don't you fellas take on Miami, which was never Cuban traditionally?

    Miami is a cesspool. Mexicans or Cubans or Puerto Ricans, whatever. I don’t like Latino culture in general, that’s why I left Latin America.

    California is not Mexico. I’ll give you a hint, visit Tijuana and then visit San Diego or Santa Barbara and you’ll see the difference.

    Yes they kept a lot of names and a few buildings by the Spanish conquistadores (Spanish, not Mexicans), but that’s about it.

    Regardless, even if there is a cultural connection with Mexico, this is still not a reason for filling the whole of the United States with zillions of illegal aliens, is it??

    By the way, I do not live in the USA right now so it does not affect me. But it is sad to watch the USA becoming Mexico Norte and Europe becoming Eurabia, oh yes it is sad.

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    • Replies: @Marcus
    Floridians with roots there (yes they do exist) told me that the first few waves of Cubans were mostly quality people, these were the largely white middle and upper classes.
  24. Mexico is a bountiful and beautiful country with hard-working people. But it’s cursed with the Hispanic patron/peon system. The most malignant aspect is the expectation and belief by pubescent girls that their high purpose in life is to regularly product new workers for the patron. The more the better. Nineteenth Century, maybe.

    This I learned from an interview of maybe a half dozen high school girls with babes in the school nursery.

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  25. @Anonymous
    Miami is a cesspool. Mexicans or Cubans or Puerto Ricans, whatever. I don't like Latino culture in general, that's why I left Latin America.

    California is not Mexico. I'll give you a hint, visit Tijuana and then visit San Diego or Santa Barbara and you'll see the difference.

    Yes they kept a lot of names and a few buildings by the Spanish conquistadores (Spanish, not Mexicans), but that's about it.

    Regardless, even if there is a cultural connection with Mexico, this is still not a reason for filling the whole of the United States with zillions of illegal aliens, is it??

    By the way, I do not live in the USA right now so it does not affect me. But it is sad to watch the USA becoming Mexico Norte and Europe becoming Eurabia, oh yes it is sad.

    Floridians with roots there (yes they do exist) told me that the first few waves of Cubans were mostly quality people, these were the largely white middle and upper classes.

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  26. @Jeff77450
    My predictions:

    Most of the illegal aliens and their dreamers/anchor-babies are not going to be deported.

    The process for deporting illegals who are also felons will be improved/streamlined; more of them winding up in prison. No more (or greatly reduced) "five time deportees/felons murdering Kathryn Steinle." (Surely we can *all* agree on that).

    Likewise steps will be taken to address people overstaying their visas.

    In-state tuition for illegals will either end, as well it should, or become less common.

    There is not going to be a serious effort to reduce the number coming in on work-visas.

    We may see renewed emphasis on E-verify.

    Possibly tightened restrictions on "welfare" for all immigrants, legal and illegal.

    ICE and the Border Patrol will receive more support. Whether it's enough to make a serious difference remains to be seen.

    Likewise efforts will be made to bring the so-called sanctuary-cities to heel; said efforts may be more cosmetic than substantive.

    Trump is already dialing-back the whole "wall" thing.

    Trump needs to be pushed by the American public, there is no doubt.

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  27. Should Mexicans be Afraid of President-Elect Trump?

    How about crappy Mexican columnists who write high school quality articles?

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  28. @Marcus
    All of Latin America has a presence in Miami. Regarding the southwest (excluding Texas), the Mexican population before 1848 was very small: around 75,000 Mexican nationals, and that number probably included many superficially Hispanicized Indios who didn't care much for Mexico.

    Sure, sure. The “excluding Texas” is droll. Even droller– “All of Latin America has a presence in Miami”. Which happens not to be true–seen a lot of Argentines there? More important, meaning, er, what–that Miami is traditionally Spanish-speaking? Read the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, have you?

    The next thing you’ll be quoting is John Locke on “improvement”, jeje.

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    Yes, Miami has the largest Argentine expat community in the US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Americans
  29. This grandson of illegal immigrants from Mexico ain’t scared of nothing. I grew up in Chicago with a crazy East Texas hillbilly of a dad and went to a parochial school with bad-ass nuns from Germany. My mother was always looking out the front room window. The running joke at home was that she was looking out for INS. We laughed in the face of Democratic precinct captains trolling for votes during election season. At the age of 13 I faced tear gas and angry Chicago police swinging batons in Lincoln Park during the Democratic convention of 1968. So Trump can’t scare me.

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  30. @Adar.
    " I asked him about his church. He told me they were serpent handlers. At first I thought he was kidding, but he was not. I had lived in parts of the South when young, so I knew such sects existed. If anything my opinion of him went up–for the serpent handlers, however unfounded their doctrines, have a faith that requires real cojones."



    They place the snakes in a refrigerator before they take them out. The snakes are in a torpid state and cannot respond to handling. Hardly a danger and not requiring a whole lot of cojones. Those hill people are really smart I do declare.

    Go to a service, why don’t you?–they could use you as warm up.

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  31. @E. A. Costa
    Sure, sure. The "excluding Texas" is droll. Even droller-- "All of Latin America has a presence in Miami". Which happens not to be true--seen a lot of Argentines there? More important, meaning, er, what--that Miami is traditionally Spanish-speaking? Read the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, have you?

    The next thing you'll be quoting is John Locke on "improvement", jeje.

    Yes, Miami has the largest Argentine expat community in the US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Americans

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    From your own link:

    New York, NY - 15,169 (0.2%)
    Los Angeles, CA - 8,570 (0.2%)
    Miami, FL - 4,891 (1.2%)

    Guess Puerto Rico is not part of the United States, since they give no figures of how many Argentines are in PR.
  32. I’m sure Mexican can learn a lot from Iranian, who say to hell with Donald Trump as he wouldn’t be less devil for Iranian nation than Obama, Clintons, Bushes and Jimmy Carter….

    https://rehmat1.com/2016/11/17/khamenei-trump-presidency-wont-affect-iran-us-relations/

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  33. They might have to go back to Mexico. They should therefore be very afraid. That is a very cruel fate, to have to live next to Mexicans. It is understandable that literally the entire population of Mexico should desire to leave Mexico so that they don’t have to live next to Mexicans. I call it ‘brown flight’.

    However, it is also cruel to make whites have to live next to Mexicans.

    It comes down to will whites or Mexicans have to be the ones stuck living next to Mexicans? It’s like a game of ‘hot potato’, someone has to lose and end up with the potato (or in this case the ‘hot avocado’).

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  34. Dear Mexican,

    serious question: what is so bad about Mexico that so many people want to leave?

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    Our raza has gone up against Cortés

    Remind me again what language “raza” comes from. Wait, what language did you say Cortez spoke?

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  36. @Marcus
    Yes, Miami has the largest Argentine expat community in the US https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argentine_Americans

    From your own link:

    New York, NY – 15,169 (0.2%)
    Los Angeles, CA – 8,570 (0.2%)
    Miami, FL – 4,891 (1.2%)

    Guess Puerto Rico is not part of the United States, since they give no figures of how many Argentines are in PR.

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    But Florida has the most of any state, so it seems safe to assume there are more in Miami metro area not just the city proper, than NY.
  37. @E. A. Costa
    From your own link:

    New York, NY - 15,169 (0.2%)
    Los Angeles, CA - 8,570 (0.2%)
    Miami, FL - 4,891 (1.2%)

    Guess Puerto Rico is not part of the United States, since they give no figures of how many Argentines are in PR.

    But Florida has the most of any state, so it seems safe to assume there are more in Miami metro area not just the city proper, than NY.

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    "Yes, Miami has the largest Argentine expat community in the US".

    Ah, what you consider a safe assumption, not anything noted at the supporting link. You've applied for a job at the Census Bureau under Señor Trump, right?
  38. @Marcus
    But Florida has the most of any state, so it seems safe to assume there are more in Miami metro area not just the city proper, than NY.

    “Yes, Miami has the largest Argentine expat community in the US”.

    Ah, what you consider a safe assumption, not anything noted at the supporting link. You’ve applied for a job at the Census Bureau under Señor Trump, right?

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Well, Miami-Dade County has a little over 28,600 Argentines, and according to Wikipedia Miami-Dade is part of the Miami metropolitan area, with Broward and Palm Beach Counties.

    But yes, it was a long way to get here.
  39. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @E. A. Costa
    "Yes, Miami has the largest Argentine expat community in the US".

    Ah, what you consider a safe assumption, not anything noted at the supporting link. You've applied for a job at the Census Bureau under Señor Trump, right?

    Well, Miami-Dade County has a little over 28,600 Argentines, and according to Wikipedia Miami-Dade is part of the Miami metropolitan area, with Broward and Palm Beach Counties.

    But yes, it was a long way to get here.

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    Fast and loose with the English, Señor--by that usage the "city" of Chicago extends to Kenosha, Wisconsin. You're angling for a job with Señor Trump's Census Bureau too, right?
  40. @Anon
    Well, Miami-Dade County has a little over 28,600 Argentines, and according to Wikipedia Miami-Dade is part of the Miami metropolitan area, with Broward and Palm Beach Counties.

    But yes, it was a long way to get here.

    Fast and loose with the English, Señor–by that usage the “city” of Chicago extends to Kenosha, Wisconsin. You’re angling for a job with Señor Trump’s Census Bureau too, right?

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    • Replies: @Marcus
    Metropolitan Chicago includes parts of Indiana and Wisconsin, yes. Anyway you can find the elites of most of Latin America have second homes (at least) in places like Brickell Ave. in Miami; fittingly, this was also where Tony Montana's mansion was located.
  41. Ah, another name to add to Señor Avellano’s list: James Jesus Angleton. Jesus H., where in hell did he get that middle name? He deliberately modeled his appearance on T. S. Eliot–whom he knew personally–but his mother, Carmen Mercedes Moreno, was Mexican.

    Very cultured fellow by the way–probably the last of that sort in the CIA, whatever one thinks of his politics.

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  42. A big part of the Mexican diaspora in America, is due to free trade agreements promoted by American corporate interests. Agricultural exports to Mexico undercut Mexican farmers, making it impossible for them to continue, thus fueling the economic exodus northward. The globalist elites are the enemies of those employed, no matter which country in which they reside.

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  43. @E. A. Costa
    Fast and loose with the English, Señor--by that usage the "city" of Chicago extends to Kenosha, Wisconsin. You're angling for a job with Señor Trump's Census Bureau too, right?

    Metropolitan Chicago includes parts of Indiana and Wisconsin, yes. Anyway you can find the elites of most of Latin America have second homes (at least) in places like Brickell Ave. in Miami; fittingly, this was also where Tony Montana’s mansion was located.

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    Your malleable English, like Humpty-Dumpty's, notwithstanding--"Metropolitan Chicago", or as they call it locally, "Chicagoland" or, especially droll because (Ronald Syme's ob) a triple redundancy, "The Greater Chicagoland Area" is not the city of Chicago.

    Nor is Greater Miami the city of Miami.

    That you would have it otherwise is part of the agenda of many proponents of English Only, of course, which indeed has helped quite destroy the English language as a precise vehicle of communication.

    One is reminded of when Geithner under Obama visited China and addressed a conclave of their best economists, trying to con them into revaluing the currency with all sorts of verbal fancy footwork. Most of them understood English of course. They stared blankly and then laughed openly in his face.

    Trump, whose English, like Bush's, ain't too good to start with, will likely have the same problem, and if you are any indication, also his Census Bureau, jeje.

  44. @Marcus
    Metropolitan Chicago includes parts of Indiana and Wisconsin, yes. Anyway you can find the elites of most of Latin America have second homes (at least) in places like Brickell Ave. in Miami; fittingly, this was also where Tony Montana's mansion was located.

    Your malleable English, like Humpty-Dumpty’s, notwithstanding–”Metropolitan Chicago”, or as they call it locally, “Chicagoland” or, especially droll because (Ronald Syme’s ob) a triple redundancy, “The Greater Chicagoland Area” is not the city of Chicago.

    Nor is Greater Miami the city of Miami.

    That you would have it otherwise is part of the agenda of many proponents of English Only, of course, which indeed has helped quite destroy the English language as a precise vehicle of communication.

    One is reminded of when Geithner under Obama visited China and addressed a conclave of their best economists, trying to con them into revaluing the currency with all sorts of verbal fancy footwork. Most of them understood English of course. They stared blankly and then laughed openly in his face.

    Trump, whose English, like Bush’s, ain’t too good to start with, will likely have the same problem, and if you are any indication, also his Census Bureau, jeje.

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    Sorry to burst your pompous, self-important bubble, but "Miami," is accepted by everyone to include much more than the city proper. Should the University of Miami rename itself? It's located in Coral Gables after all...
  45. @E. A. Costa
    Your malleable English, like Humpty-Dumpty's, notwithstanding--"Metropolitan Chicago", or as they call it locally, "Chicagoland" or, especially droll because (Ronald Syme's ob) a triple redundancy, "The Greater Chicagoland Area" is not the city of Chicago.

    Nor is Greater Miami the city of Miami.

    That you would have it otherwise is part of the agenda of many proponents of English Only, of course, which indeed has helped quite destroy the English language as a precise vehicle of communication.

    One is reminded of when Geithner under Obama visited China and addressed a conclave of their best economists, trying to con them into revaluing the currency with all sorts of verbal fancy footwork. Most of them understood English of course. They stared blankly and then laughed openly in his face.

    Trump, whose English, like Bush's, ain't too good to start with, will likely have the same problem, and if you are any indication, also his Census Bureau, jeje.

    Sorry to burst your pompous, self-important bubble, but “Miami,” is accepted by everyone to include much more than the city proper. Should the University of Miami rename itself? It’s located in Coral Gables after all…

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    '''Miami'...is accepted by everyone to include much more than the city proper".

    Wow--an admission at last that there is a city of Miami, even a city proper. That must have taken hours to pass. You should eat more mangos.

    Thus:

    New York, NY – 15,169 (0.2%)
    Los Angeles, CA – 8,570 (0.2%)
    Miami, FL – 4,891 (1.2%)

    is correct--that New York City and Los Angeles have more Argentines than Miami, Florida--city proper, eh?

    By the way, do you know "everyone"--English-speaking, Spanish-speaking, stray Seminoles, gators and the rest-- or were you trying to say "everyone I know".
  46. Trump being German on one side, it is interesting he seems completely ignorant of the persecution of German-speakers, especially in the Mid West, during World War I, by the same nativists and Know-Nothings supporting him now in great numbers. This helped destroy German as a widespread United Statesian language, and dispersed a large population of ethnically German Unitedstatesians into the culturally and educationally inferior “Anglo-Saxon” population.

    A real pity in most ways.

    The joke was later played back on the jokesters, however, including when Kissinger arrived on the scene and projected all sorts of supposed erudition by virtue of his heavy German accent alone.

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    Trump being German on one side, it is interesting he seems completely ignorant of the persecution of German-speakers, especially in the Mid West, during World War I, by the same nativists and Know-Nothings supporting him now in great numbers. This helped destroy German as a widespread United Statesian language, and dispersed a large population of ethnically German Unitedstatesians into the culturally and educationally inferior “Anglo-Saxon” population.
     
    Had to be done, dear boy. Shakespeare vs Goethe, Milton vs Heine, Burke vs Hegel. Anglo-America had to be protected, and, back then, the WASP elite were willing to put the hammer down.Besides, once they've been Anglicized, Germans make perfectly good Anglo-Americans: Pershing, Eisenhower, Herman Hollerith, Nimitz,etc.

    Mestizo Hispanics, in contrast, don't offer much in terms of human material....

    A large part of the US southwest and west IS Mexico–culturally, linguistically, and in other ways.
     
    Yes, clearing out the Mexican sludge has taken a lot of work.

    Given that Señor Trump increasingly seems like Bruce Wayne and straight out of a Batman comic, this could turn into Lucha Libre between the Caped Crusader and the Cisco Kid
     
    It's really sad that two of the most famous fictional Mexicans, Zorro and the Cisco Kid, were created by Anglos. Another sign, I suppose, of Mexican mediocrity.....

    Ah, another name to add to Señor Avellano’s list: James Jesus Angleton. Jesus H., where in hell did he get that middle name? He deliberately modeled his appearance on T. S. Eliot–whom he knew personally–but his mother, Carmen Mercedes Moreno, was Mexican.

    Very cultured fellow by the way–probably the last of that sort in the CIA, whatever one thinks of his politics.
     
    White Mexican mother +Anglo father+ Anglo-Saxon education (Malvern College and Yale)= draining out the Hispanic virus.
  47. “Our raza has gone up against Cortés . . .” Yeah right Gus. Which “raza” do you mean? Silly me for thinking that it might be “La Raza Cósmica” de José Vasconcelos. You must be talking about some other “raza”, because the last time I checked, Vasoncelos was clearly and explicitly referring to the grand “mestizaje” of the horndog White Iberian race of Cortez with las hembras Indias de Mesoamerica.

    Forgive me for thinking that that particular version of history doesn’t quite square up with your version of your “raza” “going up against Cortez. . .”

    You really should take affront at this West Virginia hayseed trying to give you Mesoamerican history lessons. Come on Gus, show us a pair!

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  48. @Marcus
    Sorry to burst your pompous, self-important bubble, but "Miami," is accepted by everyone to include much more than the city proper. Should the University of Miami rename itself? It's located in Coral Gables after all...

    ”’Miami’…is accepted by everyone to include much more than the city proper”.

    Wow–an admission at last that there is a city of Miami, even a city proper. That must have taken hours to pass. You should eat more mangos.

    Thus:

    New York, NY – 15,169 (0.2%)
    Los Angeles, CA – 8,570 (0.2%)
    Miami, FL – 4,891 (1.2%)

    is correct–that New York City and Los Angeles have more Argentines than Miami, Florida–city proper, eh?

    By the way, do you know “everyone”–English-speaking, Spanish-speaking, stray Seminoles, gators and the rest– or were you trying to say “everyone I know”.

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  49. But that is the problem!

    “Raza” actually means nosotros de la sangre mezclada because Cortez, as a Spaniard and conquereor, and his ilk relegated indigenous people as lower than Europeans so when this mixed ancestry came into being because of rape, conquest etc. they said we, too are of sangre y gueso (basically human beings, en realidad). It never referred to status, priviledge or we are the only true people. Yes, the indigenous did go against Cortez but the fractured alliances and lack of unity against the foreigner resulted in the Spanish language becoming the language of colonization and that is what we have today. So if one controls the educational and economic benefits then it is obvious who will control the national destiny in a nation.

    If that does not happen, then we all move to USA and work hard.
    Carlos Slim, arabe (descendiente) hence the name origin (Salim/Salem) owns Mexico. So what about Shakira (Mubarak!) Colombia, Salma (arabe y indigena? Anyways mestizaje comes in many colores, shapes and sizes.

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    "Carlos Slim...owns Mexico"

    More than Mexico--when it comes to mobile phones he is a running gag in Central America, ¡Claro que sí!-- jeje.
  50. @jack shindo
    But that is the problem!

    "Raza" actually means nosotros de la sangre mezclada because Cortez, as a Spaniard and conquereor, and his ilk relegated indigenous people as lower than Europeans so when this mixed ancestry came into being because of rape, conquest etc. they said we, too are of sangre y gueso (basically human beings, en realidad). It never referred to status, priviledge or we are the only true people. Yes, the indigenous did go against Cortez but the fractured alliances and lack of unity against the foreigner resulted in the Spanish language becoming the language of colonization and that is what we have today. So if one controls the educational and economic benefits then it is obvious who will control the national destiny in a nation.

    If that does not happen, then we all move to USA and work hard.
    Carlos Slim, arabe (descendiente) hence the name origin (Salim/Salem) owns Mexico. So what about Shakira (Mubarak!) Colombia, Salma (arabe y indigena? Anyways mestizaje comes in many colores, shapes and sizes.

    “Carlos Slim…owns Mexico”

    More than Mexico–when it comes to mobile phones he is a running gag in Central America, ¡Claro que sí!– jeje.

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  51. On la raza RAE is worth a look:

    Del it. razza, y este de or. inc.; cf. ingl. y fr. race.

    1. f. Casta o calidad del origen o linaje.

    2. f. Cada uno de los grupos en que se subdividen algunas especies biológicas y cuyos caracteres diferenciales se perpetúan por herencia.

    3. f. Calidad de algunas cosas, en relación con ciertas características que las definen.
    raza humana

    1. f. humanidad (e‖ género humano).

    Which is to say that it is in Spanish ultimately from Italian razza but after that uncertain. The English word “race”, from the French, from the Italian is cognate.

    Some of the possibilities of the origin of razza are:

    (1) Vulgar Latin *radia (raya in Spanish from same)

    (2) Classical Latin ratio

    (3) Classical Latin radix

    (4) apocope of Classical Latin generatio

    (5) Late Latin from old Germanic reiza

    (6) Arabic رأس (ra’as)

    (7) Old French haraz, “haras” from Old Norse (thus into Italian as razza and then back into French as “race”)

    There is an interesting discussion at etimologías de chile here:

    http://etimologias.dechile.net/?raza

    But gotdang if one is going to type it all out for hayseeds from West Virginia, whose once beautiful state was long ago blasted away by their own Capitalist overlords long before there were any Mexicans on the horizon there.

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    Thaink ya vury mucho there Señor Elvis Acosta. It had been quite some time (a couple of years maybe) since I consulted the official on line Diccionario de La Real Academia.

    http://dle.rae.es/?id=VFM92Rm|VFNMms4

    It (yours) looked suspiciously different from my prior consultations on "raza" at RAE, so I did as I frequently do when curiosity is aroused. I went back to "old school" hard copy stuff. In this case, my dead tree shelf copy of Nuevo Diccionario de La Lengua Española (published under the direction of José Alemany de la Real Academia Española-- copyright 1957 by Editorial Ramón Sopena, S.A.) kind of cleared up my suspicions of your contemporary RAE citation on "raza'.

    Lo and behold, it appears that in an interval of the last few years the RAE has seen fit to "revise" its entry on "raza" in much the same fashion that Licenciado Vasconcelos hastily produced his second edition of La Raza Cósmica shortly after WW II which amounted to a scrubbing of his admiration for Señor Hitler and Margaret Sanger. I know it's a minor thing in comparison with the revisions of the Spanish alphabet over the past twenty years or so

    Tell us that this recent RAE etymological revision has absolutely nothing to do with the relatively recent denunciatory outings of the whole La Raza business in contemporary Gringo American politics.

    And I do appreciate your analytical musings on the condition of West Virginia

  52. Here’s a little postcard from scenic West Virginny:

    http://earthjustice.org/slideshow/images-of-mountaintop-removal-mining#

    Oh, and here is postcard from a US-owned pig farm in Mexico–one that may have been the source of swine flu outbreak:

    http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_ciencia/influenza18_02.jpg

    That was once a village. The US pig factories left a swathe of destuction as they moved down from the Northern and Midwestern US–with tax breaks all the way–and finally after leaving behind scores of US towns in pigshit moved on to Old Mexico.

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  53. @E. A. Costa
    Trump being German on one side, it is interesting he seems completely ignorant of the persecution of German-speakers, especially in the Mid West, during World War I, by the same nativists and Know-Nothings supporting him now in great numbers. This helped destroy German as a widespread United Statesian language, and dispersed a large population of ethnically German Unitedstatesians into the culturally and educationally inferior "Anglo-Saxon" population.

    A real pity in most ways.

    The joke was later played back on the jokesters, however, including when Kissinger arrived on the scene and projected all sorts of supposed erudition by virtue of his heavy German accent alone.

    Trump being German on one side, it is interesting he seems completely ignorant of the persecution of German-speakers, especially in the Mid West, during World War I, by the same nativists and Know-Nothings supporting him now in great numbers. This helped destroy German as a widespread United Statesian language, and dispersed a large population of ethnically German Unitedstatesians into the culturally and educationally inferior “Anglo-Saxon” population.

    Had to be done, dear boy. Shakespeare vs Goethe, Milton vs Heine, Burke vs Hegel. Anglo-America had to be protected, and, back then, the WASP elite were willing to put the hammer down.Besides, once they’ve been Anglicized, Germans make perfectly good Anglo-Americans: Pershing, Eisenhower, Herman Hollerith, Nimitz,etc.

    Mestizo Hispanics, in contrast, don’t offer much in terms of human material….

    A large part of the US southwest and west IS Mexico–culturally, linguistically, and in other ways.

    Yes, clearing out the Mexican sludge has taken a lot of work.

    Given that Señor Trump increasingly seems like Bruce Wayne and straight out of a Batman comic, this could turn into Lucha Libre between the Caped Crusader and the Cisco Kid

    It’s really sad that two of the most famous fictional Mexicans, Zorro and the Cisco Kid, were created by Anglos. Another sign, I suppose, of Mexican mediocrity…..

    Ah, another name to add to Señor Avellano’s list: James Jesus Angleton. Jesus H., where in hell did he get that middle name? He deliberately modeled his appearance on T. S. Eliot–whom he knew personally–but his mother, Carmen Mercedes Moreno, was Mexican.

    Very cultured fellow by the way–probably the last of that sort in the CIA, whatever one thinks of his politics.

    White Mexican mother +Anglo father+ Anglo-Saxon education (Malvern College and Yale)= draining out the Hispanic virus.

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  54. “Shakespeare vs Goethe, Milton vs Heine, Burke vs Hegel”

    Strange list–none of those are Unitedstatesian.

    And the last two “oppositions” are absurd.

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    “Shakespeare vs Goethe, Milton vs Heine, Burke vs Hegel”

    Strange list–none of those are Unitedstatesian.
     

    Anglos vs Germans, dear boy.

    And the last two “oppositions” are absurd.
     
    To a Hispanic, perhaps...
  55. @E. A. costa
    "Shakespeare vs Goethe, Milton vs Heine, Burke vs Hegel"

    Strange list--none of those are Unitedstatesian.

    And the last two "oppositions" are absurd.

    “Shakespeare vs Goethe, Milton vs Heine, Burke vs Hegel”

    Strange list–none of those are Unitedstatesian.

    Anglos vs Germans, dear boy.

    And the last two “oppositions” are absurd.

    To a Hispanic, perhaps…

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  56. Did Señor Trump too fall for the nonagenarian’s heavy German accent:

    http://www.rferl.org/a/trump-seeks-kissinger-advice-relations-china-russia-iran-europe/28125432.html

    Nah. The best guess is Trump is sending a message to China, where Kissinger is a cottage industry.

    The message is, “Let’s talk.”

    The Chinese answer is obvious”: “Sure. Why not?”

    Señor Trump has no idea what he is in for.

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    Hey, talking to the Chinese is much more interesting than talking to Mexicans.....
  57. @E. A. Costa
    Did Señor Trump too fall for the nonagenarian's heavy German accent:

    http://www.rferl.org/a/trump-seeks-kissinger-advice-relations-china-russia-iran-europe/28125432.html

    Nah. The best guess is Trump is sending a message to China, where Kissinger is a cottage industry.

    The message is, "Let's talk."

    The Chinese answer is obvious": "Sure. Why not?"

    Señor Trump has no idea what he is in for.

    Hey, talking to the Chinese is much more interesting than talking to Mexicans…..

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  58. Mexico is run by the white race. Obviously. Politics, business, TV. The curious thing is that none of the Mestizos I know question that. It just seems natural to them. Maybe they are too stupid to understand, or maybe they are smart enough to understand. You are right, we need to be more like Mexico.

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  59. @E. A. Costa
    On la raza RAE is worth a look:

    Del it. razza, y este de or. inc.; cf. ingl. y fr. race.

    1. f. Casta o calidad del origen o linaje.

    2. f. Cada uno de los grupos en que se subdividen algunas especies biológicas y cuyos caracteres diferenciales se perpetúan por herencia.

    3. f. Calidad de algunas cosas, en relación con ciertas características que las definen.
    raza humana

    1. f. humanidad (e‖ género humano).

    Which is to say that it is in Spanish ultimately from Italian razza but after that uncertain. The English word "race", from the French, from the Italian is cognate.

    Some of the possibilities of the origin of razza are:

    (1) Vulgar Latin *radia (raya in Spanish from same)

    (2) Classical Latin ratio

    (3) Classical Latin radix

    (4) apocope of Classical Latin generatio

    (5) Late Latin from old Germanic reiza

    (6) Arabic رأس (ra'as)

    (7) Old French haraz, "haras" from Old Norse (thus into Italian as razza and then back into French as "race")

    There is an interesting discussion at etimologías de chile here:

    http://etimologias.dechile.net/?raza

    But gotdang if one is going to type it all out for hayseeds from West Virginia, whose once beautiful state was long ago blasted away by their own Capitalist overlords long before there were any Mexicans on the horizon there.

    Thaink ya vury mucho there Señor Elvis Acosta. It had been quite some time (a couple of years maybe) since I consulted the official on line Diccionario de La Real Academia.

    http://dle.rae.es/?id=VFM92Rm|VFNMms4

    It (yours) looked suspiciously different from my prior consultations on “raza” at RAE, so I did as I frequently do when curiosity is aroused. I went back to “old school” hard copy stuff. In this case, my dead tree shelf copy of Nuevo Diccionario de La Lengua Española (published under the direction of José Alemany de la Real Academia Española– copyright 1957 by Editorial Ramón Sopena, S.A.) kind of cleared up my suspicions of your contemporary RAE citation on “raza’.

    Lo and behold, it appears that in an interval of the last few years the RAE has seen fit to “revise” its entry on “raza” in much the same fashion that Licenciado Vasconcelos hastily produced his second edition of La Raza Cósmica shortly after WW II which amounted to a scrubbing of his admiration for Señor Hitler and Margaret Sanger. I know it’s a minor thing in comparison with the revisions of the Spanish alphabet over the past twenty years or so

    Tell us that this recent RAE etymological revision has absolutely nothing to do with the relatively recent denunciatory outings of the whole La Raza business in contemporary Gringo American politics.

    And I do appreciate your analytical musings on the condition of West Virginia

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    The older version is discussed at the etimología de chile link. Online is streamlined.
  60. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Thaink ya vury mucho there Señor Elvis Acosta. It had been quite some time (a couple of years maybe) since I consulted the official on line Diccionario de La Real Academia.

    http://dle.rae.es/?id=VFM92Rm|VFNMms4

    It (yours) looked suspiciously different from my prior consultations on "raza" at RAE, so I did as I frequently do when curiosity is aroused. I went back to "old school" hard copy stuff. In this case, my dead tree shelf copy of Nuevo Diccionario de La Lengua Española (published under the direction of José Alemany de la Real Academia Española-- copyright 1957 by Editorial Ramón Sopena, S.A.) kind of cleared up my suspicions of your contemporary RAE citation on "raza'.

    Lo and behold, it appears that in an interval of the last few years the RAE has seen fit to "revise" its entry on "raza" in much the same fashion that Licenciado Vasconcelos hastily produced his second edition of La Raza Cósmica shortly after WW II which amounted to a scrubbing of his admiration for Señor Hitler and Margaret Sanger. I know it's a minor thing in comparison with the revisions of the Spanish alphabet over the past twenty years or so

    Tell us that this recent RAE etymological revision has absolutely nothing to do with the relatively recent denunciatory outings of the whole La Raza business in contemporary Gringo American politics.

    And I do appreciate your analytical musings on the condition of West Virginia

    The older version is discussed at the etimología de chile link. Online is streamlined.

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    The Chileans don't really clear up matters. RAE is responding to Janet Murgia, Jorge Ramos, Luis Gutierrez et al. political pressures.
  61. @E. A. Costa
    The older version is discussed at the etimología de chile link. Online is streamlined.

    The Chileans don’t really clear up matters. RAE is responding to Janet Murgia, Jorge Ramos, Luis Gutierrez et al. political pressures.

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    Have you looked at the latest linguistic edition of Fowler? It is a travesty that they even kept the name, which of course, has one purpose, profit.

    One suspects there is something similar going on with RAE--not directly political, rather a decline in education.

    Part of it is a progression from diachronic to synchronic, which is also happening in English.

    Globalism on the march.

    , @E. A. Costa
    You realize, of course, that Hugo Chávez was much more widely read and broadly educated, even though partly as an autodidact, than the sleekly loafered King of Spain?

    Also more polite.
  62. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    The Chileans don't really clear up matters. RAE is responding to Janet Murgia, Jorge Ramos, Luis Gutierrez et al. political pressures.

    Have you looked at the latest linguistic edition of Fowler? It is a travesty that they even kept the name, which of course, has one purpose, profit.

    One suspects there is something similar going on with RAE–not directly political, rather a decline in education.

    Part of it is a progression from diachronic to synchronic, which is also happening in English.

    Globalism on the march.

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  63. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    The Chileans don't really clear up matters. RAE is responding to Janet Murgia, Jorge Ramos, Luis Gutierrez et al. political pressures.

    You realize, of course, that Hugo Chávez was much more widely read and broadly educated, even though partly as an autodidact, than the sleekly loafered King of Spain?

    Also more polite.

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    Well, since you are so well versed in the subject matter, why were you trying to hoodwink the rest of the readers with all of that neo-RAE jive about "raza"?
  64. @E. A. Costa
    You realize, of course, that Hugo Chávez was much more widely read and broadly educated, even though partly as an autodidact, than the sleekly loafered King of Spain?

    Also more polite.

    Well, since you are so well versed in the subject matter, why were you trying to hoodwink the rest of the readers with all of that neo-RAE jive about “raza”?

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    • Replies: @E. A. Costa
    My dear Sir, one went through considerable effort to present the possible etymologies from various sources. There is no possible politics in that and the Chilean site, which is very good, depending on who writes the response, does mention the older version of RAE.

    Now go fuck yourself.

  65. @Jim Bob Lassiter
    Well, since you are so well versed in the subject matter, why were you trying to hoodwink the rest of the readers with all of that neo-RAE jive about "raza"?

    My dear Sir, one went through considerable effort to present the possible etymologies from various sources. There is no possible politics in that and the Chilean site, which is very good, depending on who writes the response, does mention the older version of RAE.

    Now go fuck yourself.

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  66. @E. A. Costa
    My dear Sir, one went through considerable effort to present the possible etymologies from various sources. There is no possible politics in that and the Chilean site, which is very good, depending on who writes the response, does mention the older version of RAE.

    Now go fuck yourself.

    Sensitive little thing there, aren’t you?

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  67. @in the middle
    The wall is going to keep Americans in! How stupid can you be? Which country is a police state? Hint, it is between Canada and Mexico. All that rabid get out stuff is for ignoramus who believe all they see in Fox news and CNN. By the way, good job creating divisions among Americans; yes, those people you call Mexicans were in what is Now the southwest wayyyy before any European arrived. So who should get out? But in good conscience no body should get out, but rather work all together for making America great again, because if you were born in the USA, for all purposes and needs, you are an American, and no, you will not be send back to Europe. So get used to work for making America greater.

    I was reading that Trump's wife was working illegally way back, should we send her back to Slovenia? oh no, why? she is part of what ignoramus call 'white', although she looks more like a gypsy female, south American woman.

    “I was reading that Trump’s wife was working illegally way back, should we send her back to Slovenia? oh no, why? she is part of what ignoramus call ‘white’, although she looks more like a gypsy female, south American woman.”

    Melania Trump looks quite White standing next to the Brown hordes of Mexican Mayans and Aztecs flooding into The U.S.

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  68. @Je Suis Omar Mateen
    LOL. The Spaniard Cortez utterly conquered the indigenous people of whatever Mexico was called back in the day. It's why you proudly speak Spanish to this day, vato, and why most Mexicans are Catholic.

    Mexicans can overcome their inferiority complex in relation to full-European Whites by embracing the European segments of their DNA. I'd like to see a return of the phrase "olive skinned," you know: like a White person with a perma-tan.

    “Mexicans can overcome their inferiority complex in relation to full-European Whites by embracing the European segments of their DNA. I’d like to see a return of the phrase “olive skinned,” you know: like a White person with a perma-tan.

    Brown Mexicans are White people with perma-tans? Are you saying they look like Mediterraneans? You need your eyes checked if you believe Mayan Apocalypto looking Mexicans resemble the cast of The Sopranos.

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