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“White nationalists” as they call themselves would like to US to be close to one hundred percent white. So would I. So would many tens of millions of Americans who do not call themselves white nationalists, but are. Diversity causes nothing but trouble, and is doing so now. However, America can’t be completely white, or even close. The time for that idea is long past. The practical question becomes: What now?

White nationalists, often inaccurately called “white supremacists,” want to close the border. So do I. They want to make Obama stop importing every sort of third-worlder he has heard of. So do I. They want to deport illegal aliens. With exceptions, so do I.

For the sake of discussion, let us assume that all of this has been done. At this point the white nationalists (hereinafter just “nationalists”) run out of gas, having so far as I am aware no further plan or aim beyond a loathing for anything not white and European.

The utility of this is not clear. The disappearance of the illegals would leave some 45 million legal Latinos: birthright citizens, naturalized citizens, legal residents and, increasingly, completely American citizens of Latino descent. (The numbers are shaky, but “whole really big bunch” would be accurate.) My question to white nationalists:

What do you recommend doing with, about, for, or to the tens of millions of legal Latinos? What specifically, and how do you propose doing it?

Many of the arguments made by the nationalists are rational—we don’t need the population, American businessmen unemploy Americans by giving jobs to illegals, the costs of assimilating them are high, and so on. Well and good, but mostly a bit late. Meanwhile the nationalists transparently seethe with hatred of Latinos. How this will prove of service to the United States eludes me.

This antagonism leads them to distort and even lie. Their opponents do likewise. Most of the public I suspect, having no independent source of information, has to guess between.

So, what do nationalists propose? I do this not as a challenge but in search of understanding, a reasonable question in search of a reasonable answer. The question is one of the most important that can be asked. The country deserves a concrete answer. The politically correct classes say things like, “We need comprehensive immigration reform.” That can mean anything, and therefore means nothing.

My answer would be: Try to make legal Latinos into productive citizens, which should not be terribly hard. Leaving them alone, and not allowing governments to turn them into a welfare class, would probably do the trick. If nationalists have a better idea, or another idea, I would be happy to consider it.

Since tens of millions of Latinos are in the country, and are going to stay, it might be wise to seek at least a modus vivendi and an amicable relationship, and better, assimilation, rather than needlessly encourage hostile relations. A difficulty here is that below the reasoned arguments of the nationalists there lies a horror of intermarriage. Correct me if I am wrong. To many, successful assimilation would be worse than keeping Latinos somehow cordoned off.

The problem, of course–“of course,” anyway, to people who have lived in the developing world–is that so many of the immigrants are not of the middle class. Once people have a decent job, spouse, mortgage, car, refrigerator, two kids and a dog, they become placid, maybe a little boring, and spend their time taking the kids to soccer practice. (How many of the people shooting each other in Chicago fail to fit this description? How many middle-class blacks shoot each other? Exactly) Thus it might be wise to encourage the entry of Latinos into the middle class.

Unless the desire is to keep them out of the middle class. Is it?

I have framed the question on the assumption that the border has been closed, which it hasn’t, and won’t be for most of a decade if Hillary comes in.

Do white nationalists propose to encourage assimilation? How? Discourage it? How? Let nature take its course? If the choice is to discourage assimilation, the practicality would seem doubtful, since in many places in the US the races mix amicably, and many Americans in Mexico who have Mexican wives speak highly of the idea.

Do white nationalists favor teaching Latino kids English in the schools, or not doing so? Should white children be allowed, or required, to learn to speak Spanish? The idea seems to set off spasms of revulsion in some nationalists, though if you told a German that his kids should not learn English or French, or both, he would look at you strangely. Discouraging monolingualism would make for assimilation, if that should be desired.

Is assimilation possible? I think so, eventually anyway, but we shall see. I do know that if (a) Latinos, already probably twenty per cent of the population, become ghettoized, isolated, hostile and dysfunctional, the United States is over, fini, done, and (b) constant attacks on them as Latinos tend to lead to this end. It Is one thing to deport illegals, verify citizenship for employment, and punish criminals. It is another endlessly to characterize Latinos as criminal, stupid, and foul. Which is what white nationalists relentlessly do.

The curious thing is that nationalists seem to want Latinos to be as undesirable as possible. If I write that in Mexico the schools are not chaotic and kids learn to read, that Mexicans do not breed like flies, (fertility rate,CIA FactBook: 1960: 6.78; 2015: 2.26), that the country runs the standard technological infrastructure of airlines, telecommunications and hospitals, on and on, the response never varies: Fred is lying, everything good is done by the white part of the Mexican population, and these defects are genetic and pleasantly irremediable.

One would think that the nationalists, having millions of Latinos in their country, would welcome evidence that the newcomers were not as terrible as thought–hoped, I could almost say. No. To hell with the country, but do not threaten my internal furies.

ORDER IT NOW

We have an interesting approach to national suicide. On one hand, favoring unlimited immigration, we have the Googooing Good, the big money men, Hillary, and Obama, which will make matters worse. On the other hand, white nationalists who apparently want a bar fight. What could be smarter?

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  1. First, one cannot prove the whole by the part, or the part by the whole; and nor can one prove the universal by the particular, or the particular by the universal. That said: the group genetic load of Latinos is different than for whites, Asians or blacks, and they also differ among themselves.

    The white majority, as any spawning majority, has a right to preserve, and enhance, their majoritarian demographics. Failure to do so means democide, and the end of Western civilization. Culture, which drives civilizations, is derived from specific group genomes interacting with their circumstances over time.

    Therefore, benignly encouraging self-deportation of non-whites until they constitute at most about 15%, one standard deviation, of a nation’s population is imperative. Financial incentives can be offered. Failing that, America will inevitably break-up into a half dozen nations, or be held together only by a tyrannical authoritarian government.

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    • Replies: @another fred

    Therefore, benignly encouraging self-deportation of non-whites until they constitute at most about 15%, one standard deviation, of a nation’s population is imperative.
     
    That doesn't even rise to the level of wrong - it's gibberish.

    One standard deviation to either side of the mean is approximately 34% (assuming a normal distribution).

    What the hell is the mean of the population??
    , @matt

    Therefore, benignly encouraging self-deportation of non-whites until they constitute at most about 15%, one standard deviation, of a nation’s population is imperative.
     
    I know somebody has already gotten to this, but I just want to strike another note of astonishment at how stupid this is. The standard deviation of IQ (among whites) is 15 points. The standard deviation is the square root of the variance, which in turn is the mean squared distance from the population mean (so, for instance, the variance of IQ would be 15^2 = 225).

    Apparently, reading and/or skimming racialist internet blogs by Hitlerian cranks has broken your brain and caused you to believe that anything that has something to do with the number 15 is a "standard deviation".

    It's captivatingly pathetic.
    , @Anonymous
    Too late.

    If whites wanted a pure country, whites should not have brought slaves to America. Whites should not have gone to other countries and wrecked them through military and economic warfare. Whites should have gotten control of their 1% and made sure they did not flood their country with 3rd world labor.

    But we all know whites did not do these things and at the end of the day you reap what you sow. Whites in America trying to keep minorities to 15% is impossible without a civil war and breakup of America. So you can have your white America, but only in a Balkanized country. Any other talk is pure fantasy.
    , @WorkingClass
    "Failing that, America will inevitably break-up into a half dozen nations, or be held together only by a tyrannical authoritarian government."

    In post imperial America our tyrannical authoritarian government will have lost its mojo. It will not be able to prevent the break-up into a half dozen nations. My Cristal ball sees imperial collapse followed by balkanization. That's if we avoid a nuclear war of course.
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  2. Teach them English. The reference to Germans learning English/French was an unfortunate non-connection; much better would have been - Do Germans want immigrants to be able to speak German?

    When I was young, those of us going on to college had to learn French as that then was the language of commerce as English is now and so it is crucial immigrants at least learn/know theEnglish language (and hopefulyl a less tendentious history of America – how about Howard Zinn never?)

    The immigrants I know of are very hard-working, honest, and law-abiding and I have no problem with immigration from the south continuing as long as they are subjected to health exams, literacy exams, and a reasonable assessment that they possess skills/knowledge that will be an asset to America.

    Unless the far larger problem of usury is addressed and ended (Capitalism is state sponsored Usury) it is a distraction to speak about a living wage for all Americans as Capitalism is also state sponsored theft of labor via Usury.

    (Ok, nobody was speaking of that…)

    The much thornier problems to address is how to wrest control of the economy from the rentier/creditor class to liberate the debtor class; the 1% vs the 99% is real, not a fiction of the left).

    A Jubilee should be called, for everyone. Cancel all debt. Period.

    O, and it should be noted that illegal aliens working with fake IDs are contributing mightily to Social Security while not drawing it down during retirement and that may be one of, the many, reasons for open borders.

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    • Replies: @mtn cur
    I am amazed that anyone on this this site ever heard of, let alone favors jubilee. A year of return would be good except the sorry excuses for citizens would try to turn the old family farm into more wastelands of asphalt.
    , @in the middle
    the problem is calling them 'Latinos' I believe they are as American as any one else. I hate the calling of African-American, Asian American, Latinos, etc. we don't call any one European American, Arian American, Italian American, Anglo-American, Saxon American, Irish American, etc. So who is an AMERICAN?, really? please assist me with the answer! What about we are all Americans? lets stop name calling, and accept the idea that others not pale faced like us are also Americans, and not some *****-American! A house divided against itself cannot stand! We are all together in this house called USA, and whatever happens is going to affect us all. Wake up people, stop believing in the 'American dream" you need to be asleep in order to 'dream' so we stand together, of fall apart. Its your choice. Choose this day whom you will believe, the haters, and usurers, or the awaken ones, who don't need hate to survive, but need to be alert and prudent with his/hers ability to have a critical thinking and analyze what is really going on in your neighborhood, your city, your state, and your country! So lets work together to build a better tomorrow for all our descendants.

    "You must not oppress a foreign resident; you yourselves know how it feels to be a foreigner because you were foreigners in the land of Egypt."
    , @jack ryan
    "The immigrants I know of are very hard-working, honest, and law-abiding and I have no problem with immigration from the south continuing as long as they are subjected to health exams, literacy exams, and a reasonable assessment that they possess skills/knowledge that will be an asset to America."

    I respond:

    Ok, that sounds reasonable.

    But the reality is that none of these precautions are being done - we've got basically open borders immigration from Central American and the entire Islamic 3rd world.

    Look at photos and videos of tens of thousands of Central Americans riding freight trains across all of Mexico to come here.

    We're importing Ebola, Zika, TB and soon bubonic plague.

    The worst part is Libertarian Loons like Gary Johnson, Ron and Rand Paul insist we can not have any restrictions on immigration, none.

    "Thou Shalt have Open Borders"

    The Wall Street Journal wrote that insane treasonous editorial every July 4th in the 1980s.

    ISIS knows this.

    Why can't regular Americans like you understand this?
    , @kikz
    as to contributions to SS... the illegals seem to be recouping their 'contribution's early and mightly from the IRS in fraudulent returns.
    , @Anonymous
    RE: the 1% vs the 99% is real
    I would say it is poor math. How many millionaires are included in 99% do you suppose? Don't you think those wanting others wealth and are on the lower poverty level also want those millionaires' wealth? Good never comes from greed whether from a billionaire or a poor person.
  3. Thank God for Fred Reed- consistently the most honest, best informed, and most importantly, the sanest voice on racial and ethnic questions in America.
    “To hell with the country, but do not threaten my internal furies.”
    My God, how apt a description of a mindset far, far, too often present in Alt Right commentary ; those afflicted with this pathology of mind and soul are so utterly immersed in their anger and fear that rational discourse becomes impossible.

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    • Replies: @Unapologetic White Man
    There you go again - striking your obnoxious "I'm one of the sane ones" pose. I'm glad you're gone from Taki Mag. Never read a single one of your posts that didn't make me want to punch you in the face.
  4. Fred also buys into the common myth that white people are practitioners of the dark arts. Our negative views of Latinos magically lead them to become ghettoized, isolated, hostile and dysfunctional. I think this comment contains an implicit understanding that Latinos are heading in that exact direction today, and have been for a long time. We agree on the symptom, but differ on the cause.

    Didn’t six Mexican teachers just die in protests against manditory testing? There is a reason why your readers disagree with your analysis of Mexican society. Personally, all positive things I can come up with are related to Mexico’s authoritarian business culture. I can also imagine that Mexican students from certain strata are more disciplined(but less gifted) than their European-American counterparts. This doesn’t mean you can simoly transplant them to a culturally/politically alien country(US) and expect similar results. You also fail to recognize the racial hierarcy in Mexico.

    And the answer to your question; American decline can no longer be prevented. European-Americans need to collectively fight for the right to maintain European- only neighbourhoods/businesses and become as ethnocentric as Latinos/Blacks are today.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    But, white people are practitioners of the dark arts. Keep trying to ignore that America uses its military, its banks, and its CIA to overthrow and control countries.

    Remember, Mexico has a higher IQ than Ireland. If we did not bring the drug war into Mexico and we quit interfering with their country, Mexico would not have near as much violence as it has today.

    And by the way, Whites becoming as ethnocentric as blacks will never happen but not for the reasons you think. No one is stopping white people from being ethnocentric. Whites will never go for this, because whites are focusing on ruling the entire world with elite whites at the top. To have the white race become ethnocentric will mean the elite whites will not be able to control the other races.
    , @Nico

    You also fail to recognize the racial hierarcy in Mexico.
     
    I too have long been curious to understand the cat that's got the usually astute Fred's tongue when it comes to the mestizo and mulatto spectra.
  5. *Jus Sanguinis*. Anybody born of Mexican parents, regardless of where they were born or in what circumstances, anywhere in the world, has a right to Mexican citizenship. It’s in the Mexican Constitution. Most of the so-called “Latinos” (the correct word for most of these would be Mestizos) who have citizenship (usually via an incorrect interpretation of the 14th) in the USA fit this bill.

    Send them all to Mexico if they have *Jus Sanguinis* in Mexico. Period. Full stop.

    The ones that don’t are mostly either second generation Mexicans or are Tejanos or Chicanos. Force them to learn English, along with Fred’s points about preventing them from remaining (the “becoming” ship has already sailed) a permanent welfare class and for God’s sake stop giving them Affirmative Action, and most of the problem will fix itself.

    I also support paid sterilization. Offer them money, cash money up-front, for it, and with their high time preference they’ll take it. That’ll fix most of the rest of the problem. Do this for the Negroes, too.

    The ones who learn English, can get a job without preferences, and have enough forward-thinking to desire future family than current cash, well, I guess we can tolerate a FEW minorities. Trust me, there won’t be many of them.

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    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    Every time I hear the term "Latino" I cringe, because it is usually so misused. "Latino", is simply the Spanish word for (a person of) "Latin" origin. In other words, someone from a Romance language speaking area of Europe, or more particularly someone of Rome and its ancestral core population. The unattractive features of Aztecs, Mixtecs, Incas, and suchlike are not found on a single one of the thousands of ancient statues found in Rome or anywhere in the Old World.
  6. Unlike America’s negro population, Latinos/Hispanics are not one tribe. Many have lived in the US for generations and speak English as a first language, own businesses and even vote Republican. Half of the doctors I see are ‘Cuban’.

    I’m not so sure though that the mestizo/Indian population of Mexico and Central America will ever be much more than stoop labor in the United States. They, like the negro, seem to do poorly in school and, being physically much shorter than the Anglo, black or even Asian population are too ‘different’. It is hard to take seriously an adult man who is barely 5 feet tall.

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  7. I’m not sure which WN group Fred is talking to specifically. The core historical type (William Pierce) would deport anyone without blonde hair and blue eyes. After that, you have the more generic WNs which vary from Nativist only to European only. And then the 3rd group, which sees WN as a means to asserting White identity and maintaining the majority White core of America… but isn’t that worried about small amounts of immigration and racial purity.

    Either way, you probably won’t get any practical responses because there is no unified WN.

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    • Replies: @John Rebel
    Well said.....and it also doesn't help that many "white nationalists" make complete fools out of themselves and say and do shit that turns off mainstream white America.
    , @Rich
    I'm not sure where you get your information from, but I'm not aware of any White Nationalist, or even Supremacist group that would "deport anyone without blonde hair and blue eyes." I've never read anything like this anywhere, even the Nazis never came out against redheads, brunettes or black haired people. Brown eyes, green eyes, hazel eyes, I've never read anywhere, anyone calling for the deportation of such folks. Maybe you were just using hyperbole, or maybe you buy the cartoon version of some evil Dr. Mengele (blonde haired, blue eyed version) plotting the end of all non-Aryans. The overwhelming majority of White people just want to be left alone, they don't want forced integration and they don't want affirmative action.
    , @Wally

    The core historical type (William Pierce) would deport anyone without blonde hair and blue eyes.
     
    Strawman argument, a Big Lie.

    "The core historical type (William Pierce)" never said or advocated any such thing.

    , @Anonymous
    William Pierce not only wouldn't advocate deporting non-blond Whites from US but maintained America was for all people of European descent, which is considerably more inclusive than your Founding Fathers intended.
  8. First of all, let me stipulate for argument’s sake that I am indeed a White Nationalist; and pace Fred Reed, I have, in fact, thought about these problems from a practical standpoint for as long as I have been a White Nationalist.

    Let me also add that for me, White Nationalism is a means not an end. What I truly desire above all else is a Traditionalist society. I am in favor of monarchy, of Latin-rite Roman Catholicism, of throne-and-altar Constantinism, of trades regulated by a guild system, of Aristotle and St. Thomas, of women assuming their appropriate role as wives and mothers, of currency backed by tangible assets, of art that edifies, of higher learning reserved for the talented few, and of a whole host of other things that used to be common sense during the long, quiet centuries before social critiques and problem-politics collided with the age of the Mass Man. But before any of these things can come to pass, we must dispense with the menace of Globalism and its social-democratic or crony-capitalist running dogs. The only way to do that is to preserve in the nations of the West some remnant of the culture which once embodied the nobler virtues that came to the defense of king and Creed and country—some genuine aristocracy, some real metaphysical religion.

    Thus White Nationalism. It is only among Whites that you will find people capable of even connecting with anything I just described, and even most of them do not. You will find zero blacks who do. You may find a very few Latinos (such as Nicolas Gomez Davila), but they are not the ones who are emigrating to America. The Latinos coming to America are coming precisely to be Mass Men, to be useless canaille who eat the fruits of civilization like locusts, consuming and laying waste to all in their path. They certainly aren’t coming to assist the few worthy Whites who remain to lift the standard of Traditionalism.

    The practical solutions begin with deporting every Latino we possibly can. For those who inevitably remain, they must be rigorously assimilated. I believe Latinos are assimilable, but the process has to begin when they are very young children. “Hispanic” culture as it exists in the United States produces nothing but ignorant, entitled, lying, lazy scumfucks. Their men are weasely blowhards and their women are disgusting hos. They lie and steal as a matter of course. This whole warren of vice must be destroyed, and it has to begin by eradicating Spanish as a spoken language in American territory. English immersion must become mandatory. Secondly, the dole must be made totally unavailable to these people. No more welfare of any kind. Thirdly, the border must be closed not only to immigration but also to travel and trade. Being American means you stay here, you think of this as your home, and you forsake all other nations and persons. If you left family back in Mexico, too bad—you left them. Fourthly, they and their descendants will forever be denied the right of citizenship and will never be allowed to vote in American elections. They may set up self-governing councils and elect their own tribunes to govern them in internal matters, but their value as a democratic weapon of the Left will be nil. There may also be restrictions as to what sort of trades they may practice and even where they will live.

    In short, we need some sort of apartheid to adequately deal with our Mexican subclass. This is not harsh; it is a more than fair solution to the problem of a criminal people born for servility. They brought this upon themselves by coming here illegally and by being the wicked liars they are. They are entitled to nothing else, and if they do not like it they can return to Mexico.

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    Mit Brennender Sorge

    8. Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community - however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things - whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds.

    A Roman Catholic can not exalt race; said otherwise by Dr E. Michael Jones, , Ethnos needs Logos, for, as it is, you are exalting a race and a protestant nation that rejected the Kingship of Christ and has enshrined as positive laws the Sins Crying to Heaven for Vengeance and every single one of those laws exist because of white men.
    , @Boris
    No one wants a monarchy or a feudal guild system. You should live in a renaissance fair or something.
    , @Uncle Peregrine
    I think you would find more supporters for your Traditionalism among Latinos than among Anglo Saxons.
    , @Bill

    The practical solutions begin with deporting every Latino we possibly can. For those who inevitably remain, they must be rigorously assimilated.
     
    I was with you until this point. Assimilation, in the context of the US, is a euphemism for destroying Catholic culture. That's what assimilation was all about. So, unless you are self-hating, you don't get to be a Latin Mass Traditionalist who is in favor of assimilation. The exact thing Latin Mass Traditionalists are rebelling against, the Conciliar Church, is the assimilation of the Church into post-Protestantism.

    The other thing I think you are missing is that, without democracy, the problems of poly-cultural and poly-ethnic societies become much easier. The normal thing in empires is for there to be Catholic villages and Protestant villages and Muslim villages. The normal thing in empires is for there to be a French Quarter and a Jewish Ghetto and etc. Most of the problems posed by population mixing go away if you take away democracy and the delusional notion that "all men are created equal." You could call this "some sort of apartheid," of course (and I call it that sometimes), but it's really just humans doing what they naturally do in the absence of crazed ideological, social, and coercive pressure to the contrary.
    , @AndrewR
    Davila was white, you arrognorant clown.

    Why are WNs so rarely in possession of the virtues they claim are disproportionately (if not uniquely) possessed by whites?
  9. When I see Mexican scum burning the American flag and waving their flag at Trump rallies, I’m sorry, I can’t see forming much common ground with these folks. This is aggression, violence and takeover. And the support for this behavior (or worse, silence) from their co-nationalists, legal and illegal, is quite revealing. If an aggressive cell of Americans were doing this in Mexico City, they’d be shot and disappeared like those students–and Mexicans would applaud loudly. This is a clash of civilizations, between 2 countries with very different views of free speech and rule of law. I wonder if Fred, the great Mexico booster, drives around the Mexican countryside at night. There’s your acid test of a country’s viability. Can you drive around at night without being abducted and killed?

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    White people used to flag wave from their native countries all the time. Irish, Italian, Greek etc etc. Usually it was the most discriminated segment of the white population who would do this, but they don't do it anymore.
  10. @RJJCDA
    First, one cannot prove the whole by the part, or the part by the whole; and nor can one prove the universal by the particular, or the particular by the universal. That said: the group genetic load of Latinos is different than for whites, Asians or blacks, and they also differ among themselves.

    The white majority, as any spawning majority, has a right to preserve, and enhance, their majoritarian demographics. Failure to do so means democide, and the end of Western civilization. Culture, which drives civilizations, is derived from specific group genomes interacting with their circumstances over time.

    Therefore, benignly encouraging self-deportation of non-whites until they constitute at most about 15%, one standard deviation, of a nation's population is imperative. Financial incentives can be offered. Failing that, America will inevitably break-up into a half dozen nations, or be held together only by a tyrannical authoritarian government.

    Therefore, benignly encouraging self-deportation of non-whites until they constitute at most about 15%, one standard deviation, of a nation’s population is imperative.

    That doesn’t even rise to the level of wrong – it’s gibberish.

    One standard deviation to either side of the mean is approximately 34% (assuming a normal distribution).

    What the hell is the mean of the population??

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  11. To be a true white nationalist, I believe you must also be a white supremacist and a white separatist. A white nationalist is someone who finds whites to be an objectively superior race, more appealing than any other, which is the basis for their desire for separation from the other races. If we are allowed to be ourselves and cultivate our unique race-souls, via both eugenics and education, we could create a better life for ourselves and our posterity, as well as a more beautiful creation that even God above would be impressed mere humans could rise to. Rather than a hellhole, society would be a work of art, wherein everyone belonging to said society could be proud to be a part of. White nationalists believe the key to utopia is virtues, abilities and values found exclusively in the white race-soul, and that we were well on our way to utopia while we still harkened to this race-soul as our muse, and all we need to do to get back to our utopian destiny is reset the journey where we left off from when we were forcibly derailed by the liberals in our midst.

    The solution in America is the same as in any other contentious region on Earth, partition the country into racially and ideologically pure blocs. Allow white nationalists whatever percentage of the country is fair and represents their percentage of the population. Then allow us to never deal with outsiders again. We don’t have to ‘solve’ the latino problem or any other problem diversity brings. That’s not our problem, that’s the problem whites who insist on diversity create for themselves. Give us just Vermont and in a few generations we’d be the world’s leading power, on the way towards ruling the entire galaxy. Our right to develop ourselves how we please is worth infinitely more than the geographical territory we’d be giving up.

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    • Replies: @Alfa158
    Separation is exactly what White Nationalists are increasingly trending to. As Richard Spencer pointed out, the US's demographic cake is already baked and there is no amount of deportation, apartheid, segregation or closed borders that will put the US back where it was. I think most WNs at this point are looking for a breakup into territories so that White people can have their own new country. It may be a European nation or part of the US.
    If it would help ease the separation everyone can think of these new countries as sort of reservations or wild-life preserves for those exotic pale creatures. There, the colorful natives can live their picturesque lives making and selling the crafts that White people invented and are famous for. You know like, cars, airplanes, medical devices, drugs, spaceships, power plants, computers, etc. etc.
    The fly on the ointment is that there is no way non-Whites would let that happen without a desperate battle. They need all that White stuff and will fight tooth and nail to keep Whites on a leash. I forget which Black politician said that they would never let Whites get away. "If you all go to Mars, we'll follow you"
  12. Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment

    How about this compromise?

    Since Progs assure us that immigrants are ‘socially conservative’ and ‘natural Republicans’—and that is why GOP should be pro-immigration—, all immigrant votes will be counted as Republican.

    That way, GOP will accept more diversity, but all that new diversity votes must automatically count as Republican.

    And why should Dems or Progs complain? After all, they say immigrants are ‘natural conservatives’ and that they are trying to help the GOP by bring all those ‘future Republicans’ to America.

    So, that would be a nice compromise. American Conservatives accepting diversity and immigration, and all the new votes automatically being counted as Republican.
    All sides win.

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  13. “White nationalists” as they call themselves would like to US to be close to one hundred percent white. So would I.

    Dude, your wife and step-daughter would have to swim accross the Rio Grande to see their in-laws.

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  14. My interactions with white nationalists tell me that white nationalism is not so much a political movement as it is a bunch of people venting and raging on the internet. Their nationalism lacks any doctrine, strategy, or supporting ideology.

    Take leftist movements, for example. They don’t just say “we want a society of equals”, they churn out academic concepts, terminology, and criticisms every single day for the last 200 years to reinforce and weaponize their beliefs. Compare that to nationalists merely proclaiming, “I want a country full of white people”, and relying only on the innate tribalism of voters (which many whites don’t seem to have), it’s no wonder nationalists in the west are at a severe social disadvantage.

    This vacuum of thought leads white nationalists to resort to ridiculous, and frankly useless, tactics. Things like “Every/most members of this out-group is bad/criminal/savage” or “The white race is unapproachably superior”, or just being offensive in general, do not advance nationalism on an ideological level.

    To be fair, part of this is because of a poorly controlled academia. The western concepts of maximizing freedom and/or neutrality usually leads to leftist dominance in many social spheres, because politics is life for leftists more so than it is for rightists. There is a good reason why the non-western world is less liberal and less forgiving to liberals, and it’s not just because they’re poor or “mean”.

    The American situation requires splitting the country into smaller ethnostates in order to effect true nationalism, for any race. That one country should dominate such a wide and diverse continent is itself unnatural, and I think with enough agitation, splitting can be achieved within a few centuries. To what extent any such ethnostate accommodates/assimilates Latinos is up to them. A good number of Latinos look and sound like white people to me, but maybe they don’t to whites.

    But that goal is so distant, and utterly impossible without taking smaller steps first. Like nationalists elsewhere, white nationalists should first focus on dismantling liberal democracy, and mounting relentless attacks on academia and media until both are either subsumed or controlled by nationalists. It is necessary to build a culture of criticism against egalitarianism and Enlightenment values, and cut the head off the snake by focus firing on leftist elites and ideologues (almost all of whom are white, by the way). If you look closely, you’ll find that minorities are nowhere as devoted to liberal democratic ideals as whites. I for one believe social equality is a blight on humanity, and has been holding back human potential for at least the last 100 years. NAMs tend to care for those ideals only to the extent which it benefits their tribalism. This means that by destroying the white, ideological left, the races and groupings of man will once again be able to deal with each other on a tribe-to-tribe basis, and thereby paving the way to global ethnonationalism.

    And before anyone starts, the white leftist elite are made up of much more than just Jews.

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    • Replies: @Talha
    If it is the goal to eventually split up the US into different ethnic areas, to me, this seems to be the most reasonable and workable way forward. Though I'm not sure things need t be split that far, I think the fifty states, with stronger local power could achieve the same results.

    Peace.
    , @Hail

    a bunch of people venting and raging on the internet. Their nationalism lacks any doctrine, strategy, or supporting ideology.
     
    This can be said of Leftists, too.

    The difference, as I see it, is one of social sanction. The ruling ideology encourages social-Leftism (what is often now called "SJW"-ism) and strongly discourages/penalizes "radical right" thinking and White racialism.

    There is a fine tradition of (even postwar) radical-right commentary, scholarship, and serious thought, but it is semi-underground; members of the elite have had to conceal their own ideas. (Cf. George Kennan; the Nixon tapes).

    It's a matter of who the elite is. The USA has what we call a hostile elite.
  15. @TipTipTopKek
    *Jus Sanguinis*. Anybody born of Mexican parents, regardless of where they were born or in what circumstances, anywhere in the world, has a right to Mexican citizenship. It's in the Mexican Constitution. Most of the so-called "Latinos" (the correct word for most of these would be Mestizos) who have citizenship (usually via an incorrect interpretation of the 14th) in the USA fit this bill.

    Send them all to Mexico if they have *Jus Sanguinis* in Mexico. Period. Full stop.

    The ones that don't are mostly either second generation Mexicans or are Tejanos or Chicanos. Force them to learn English, along with Fred's points about preventing them from remaining (the "becoming" ship has already sailed) a permanent welfare class and for God's sake stop giving them Affirmative Action, and most of the problem will fix itself.

    I also support paid sterilization. Offer them money, cash money up-front, for it, and with their high time preference they'll take it. That'll fix most of the rest of the problem. Do this for the Negroes, too.

    The ones who learn English, can get a job without preferences, and have enough forward-thinking to desire future family than current cash, well, I guess we can tolerate a FEW minorities. Trust me, there won't be many of them.

    Every time I hear the term “Latino” I cringe, because it is usually so misused. “Latino”, is simply the Spanish word for (a person of) “Latin” origin. In other words, someone from a Romance language speaking area of Europe, or more particularly someone of Rome and its ancestral core population. The unattractive features of Aztecs, Mixtecs, Incas, and suchlike are not found on a single one of the thousands of ancient statues found in Rome or anywhere in the Old World.

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    • Replies: @John Rebel
    What you are saying about Mestizos is really crazy, at least in my opinion. Have you ever been to what is known as Latin America? Have you ever been to one of these countries? Latina (mestiza) women are among the beautiful in the world? Venezula is a shithole, but their women are gorgeous. Same for Costa Rica. Hell, there are lots of Mexican hotties.

    I'm against illegal immigration and I hate it that tons of low IQ thugs are walking right through our open borders, but to give the impression that mestizos (I'm focusing on Mestiza women, of course) are ugly is just denying reality. I'm in Latin America as I write this....and the women down here are SO much more feminine, attractive, and sexy than western white women.....especially American white women.
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    The problem, of course–“of course,” anyway, to people who have lived in the developing world–is that so many of the immigrants are not of the middle class. Once people have a decent job, spouse, mortgage, car, refrigerator, two kids and a dog, they become placid, maybe a little boring, and spend their time taking the kids to soccer practice. (How many of the people shooting each other in Chicago fail to fit this description? How many middle-class blacks shoot each other? Exactly) Thus it might be wise to encourage the entry of Latinos into the middle class.

    Unless the desire is to keep them out of the middle class. Is it?

    I don’t know, but considering the little IQ difference between Blacks (a people you love to talk about in a certain fashion) and Latinos (a people you love to talk about in a completely reverse fashion than Blacks), I assume the answers to your questions are the same as when Blacks are the object of the question, and you have provided those answers many times. Are they?

    Maybe today you don’t know about IQ?
    You sould like you have borrowed the arguments of some of our loud-voiced Black Studies PhD’s and “teachers,” that’s psychologically interesting.
    How feelings can revert the mind turning it 180-degrees.

    The curious thing is that nationalists seem to want Latinos to be as undesirable as possible.

    They treat Latinos half bad as they treat blacks. And you tread blacks.

    In other words… you agree with nationalists on everything, except Latins.
    Talk of coincidences.

    Fred Reed saying a demographics/group of people is PREVENTING another from achieving something?
    This must be Deer Derf, or Fred Reed Brown Lives Matter Special Edition, since the regularity of it rules out the possibility it’s just a one-time joke.

    Think of it, I am not even a “nationalist.” Just someone who exacts objectivity, and uniteness of standards, from the people he trusts(reads).
    You apply different weighs and measures whether Latinos (the race you are married into, and of the country you have moved to, coincidentally) or any other subset of the human species are the object of discourse.

    It’s tiresome, and disappointing.

    To weigh people, compare what they say about equal or similar things when they feel personally involved, and when they not.
    Measure the difference: the larger this is, the smaller is their intellectual worth.

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  17. Expel any non-White for whatever reason we can come up with.
    Illegal? Gone.
    Offspring of illegal? Gone.
    Not a citizen? Gone.
    On welfare or EBT? Gone.
    Criminal? Gone.
    Addict or drunk? Gone.
    Racial agitator? Gone.
    Tweets supporting Hilary? Gone.
    Ever complain about La Migra? Gone.
    Call anybody “racist”? Gone.
    Demonstrate against mass deportation? Gone.
    Registered Democrat? Gone.

    Mexicans destroyed my hometown. My high school is now a day care center, whose few graduates haven’t got a 9th grade education. Mexicans are a discivic low-trust group that practice in-group morality, and Gringos are the out group, to get sociological about it. That goes for Chinese, Hindus, and Moslems too.

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    agreed what the reasonable fail to acknowledge is all these so called legal citizens are nothing of the kind. first they came illegally then political subterfuge got amnesty but none of the recipricals for the amnesty were honored, who was amnestied was subverted how many subverted the political bargains to get amnesties passed subverted if you had asked american 40 years ago if they wanted to go from 90% white to 60% and rapidly sinking white they would never have agreed but that was the plan from the beginning the entire scheme has been 90% illegal and or lies from the beginning so pretending only one can play at that game and we should honor that is bullshit. we should do what the left did just pretend we are following rule of law but do whatever we want get judges to retroactively overturn birthright and find the amnesties broken on fraud examine every last citizenship application and find all the lies the acorn reps wrote down and rescind them.
    This idea that you can assimilate a 85 IQ amerindian or afro/Caribbean negro is absurd never going to happen jason richwine studied it and found still unto the 5th generation hispanics are not any better off than first generation what will we do when robots do all the work.
    but its pointless specu;ation the only thing that will change things is collapse and civil war if we are lucky enough for that to happen rather than slowly being boiled then the mexicans etc will run south while we fight and that leaves the negro question which is re patriate the recent arrivals and their progeny and buy off cordon off and sterilize the rest
  18. @Intelligent Dasein
    First of all, let me stipulate for argument's sake that I am indeed a White Nationalist; and pace Fred Reed, I have, in fact, thought about these problems from a practical standpoint for as long as I have been a White Nationalist.

    Let me also add that for me, White Nationalism is a means not an end. What I truly desire above all else is a Traditionalist society. I am in favor of monarchy, of Latin-rite Roman Catholicism, of throne-and-altar Constantinism, of trades regulated by a guild system, of Aristotle and St. Thomas, of women assuming their appropriate role as wives and mothers, of currency backed by tangible assets, of art that edifies, of higher learning reserved for the talented few, and of a whole host of other things that used to be common sense during the long, quiet centuries before social critiques and problem-politics collided with the age of the Mass Man. But before any of these things can come to pass, we must dispense with the menace of Globalism and its social-democratic or crony-capitalist running dogs. The only way to do that is to preserve in the nations of the West some remnant of the culture which once embodied the nobler virtues that came to the defense of king and Creed and country---some genuine aristocracy, some real metaphysical religion.

    Thus White Nationalism. It is only among Whites that you will find people capable of even connecting with anything I just described, and even most of them do not. You will find zero blacks who do. You may find a very few Latinos (such as Nicolas Gomez Davila), but they are not the ones who are emigrating to America. The Latinos coming to America are coming precisely to be Mass Men, to be useless canaille who eat the fruits of civilization like locusts, consuming and laying waste to all in their path. They certainly aren't coming to assist the few worthy Whites who remain to lift the standard of Traditionalism.

    The practical solutions begin with deporting every Latino we possibly can. For those who inevitably remain, they must be rigorously assimilated. I believe Latinos are assimilable, but the process has to begin when they are very young children. "Hispanic" culture as it exists in the United States produces nothing but ignorant, entitled, lying, lazy scumfucks. Their men are weasely blowhards and their women are disgusting hos. They lie and steal as a matter of course. This whole warren of vice must be destroyed, and it has to begin by eradicating Spanish as a spoken language in American territory. English immersion must become mandatory. Secondly, the dole must be made totally unavailable to these people. No more welfare of any kind. Thirdly, the border must be closed not only to immigration but also to travel and trade. Being American means you stay here, you think of this as your home, and you forsake all other nations and persons. If you left family back in Mexico, too bad---you left them. Fourthly, they and their descendants will forever be denied the right of citizenship and will never be allowed to vote in American elections. They may set up self-governing councils and elect their own tribunes to govern them in internal matters, but their value as a democratic weapon of the Left will be nil. There may also be restrictions as to what sort of trades they may practice and even where they will live.

    In short, we need some sort of apartheid to adequately deal with our Mexican subclass. This is not harsh; it is a more than fair solution to the problem of a criminal people born for servility. They brought this upon themselves by coming here illegally and by being the wicked liars they are. They are entitled to nothing else, and if they do not like it they can return to Mexico.

    Mit Brennender Sorge

    8. Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community – however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things – whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds.

    A Roman Catholic can not exalt race; said otherwise by Dr E. Michael Jones, , Ethnos needs Logos, for, as it is, you are exalting a race and a protestant nation that rejected the Kingship of Christ and has enshrined as positive laws the Sins Crying to Heaven for Vengeance and every single one of those laws exist because of white men.

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    while we are at it we need to cleanse ourselves of christians its just proto communism
  19. Fred raises lots of good questions, but what is the point? White nationalists are a tiny, powerless political minority who cannot even agree among themselves what constitutes white. Many of them would exclude all of southern Europe and most of eastern Europe.

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    • Replies: @Alden
    The problems with White Nationalism are:

    1 anti Catholic Old Testament Knoxian Protestantism

    2 confederate revanchism and heritage

    3 the idea that only Germans Scandinavians and British are White. On amren, a reasonable site I have read such nonsense as; all French are 25 % black, the Pope is a devil from ancient Babylon and Popes meet with the devil in a secret chamber under the Vatican

    The Old Testament wanna be Jew version of Protestantism is extremely anti Catholic, more like Henry 8 and both Cronwells.

    A recurring theme is that no British descent White Anerican man since 1619 ever touched a black woman but that the Catholic Church ordered Spanish and Portuguese men to have sex with the Indian women.

    Yeah right, as though the soldiers of a conquering army need orders from the Pope to get it on with the local women

    I've been trying to find a White American Movement for 20 years and all I have found is Confederate revanchism, anti Catholic ism and the claim that even French people who live 20 feet from the border of Germany are not White

    Another thing I have noticed is that many are only interested in anti abortion, anti gay, anti porn and vulgar entertainment and pro the very worst sort of capitalism.

    They seem to be mostly southerners who attend the rattlesnake handling holy roller type Protestant church and ignore the millions of mulatto, quadroon, octoroon and 16tharoons their ancestors created.

    Amren currently has an article questioning if Catholics can be White Nationalists. Many of the comments are just irrational 500 year old hysterical anti Catholic manifestos.

    Occidental Observer has a post that states that every Catholic Church in the country should be closed down. Some Catholics objected to this post and the moderator banned them but allows the anti Catholics to blather about anti Christ and the scarlet woman of Rome and the Whore of Babylon.

    I never noticed the Catholic Church much until I began looking for a White Nationalist movement

    Then I found a lot of irrational anti Catholicism. And why they are so anti non White immigrant and pro the capitalist businesses that import non White immigrants for every job from engineer and Dr to dishwasher I don't know.

    They also seem to be very elderly.
  20. As far as I’m concerned, this column is just an over-extended straw man argument. What most of the White, native-born population of this country wants is the removal of illegal aliens, real border control to prevent their return or any further entry of new illegals, and a rational immigration and naturalization policy that allows long-term residence and/or citizenship to foreign born persons who are really want to be citizens, are readily assimilable, and have education, skills, or other characteristics that add value to the country’s current population. Many native-born Whites would also like a return to the pre-Kennedy quota system that strives to maintain the current racial and ethnic character of the country rather than aiming for a destabilizing “diversity”. Is this too much to ask?

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  21. Such people (WN) exist, and we all fail to live up to our own values sometimes. For the vast majority of White people who think the government of this nation should look to improve life, liberty, and happiness (often done best by not making federal law) for the citizens of this nation there is no such hate of minorities as Fred implies. We need immigration restriction now as we has vastly exceeded the capacity of the melting pot. For those American citizens of minority ethnicity we of course expect that they will assimilate. For those that are not fluent in English we expect them to learn it and conduct their public business in it. Should they choose to maintain multilingualism for themselves and their children we have no objection so long as they conduct their public business in English.

    We inherited a multi-ethnic society at the birth of this nation. Like all societies it was born full of human failings. Thanks to those dead white men that birthed it for us with such wisdom for all its ongoing human failings it is the best Nation on earth. We wish all of Uncle Sam’s progeny natural born or adopted to thrive, and expect a government that puts the interest of the vast middle class first.

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  22. @Former Darfur
    Every time I hear the term "Latino" I cringe, because it is usually so misused. "Latino", is simply the Spanish word for (a person of) "Latin" origin. In other words, someone from a Romance language speaking area of Europe, or more particularly someone of Rome and its ancestral core population. The unattractive features of Aztecs, Mixtecs, Incas, and suchlike are not found on a single one of the thousands of ancient statues found in Rome or anywhere in the Old World.

    What you are saying about Mestizos is really crazy, at least in my opinion. Have you ever been to what is known as Latin America? Have you ever been to one of these countries? Latina (mestiza) women are among the beautiful in the world? Venezula is a shithole, but their women are gorgeous. Same for Costa Rica. Hell, there are lots of Mexican hotties.

    I’m against illegal immigration and I hate it that tons of low IQ thugs are walking right through our open borders, but to give the impression that mestizos (I’m focusing on Mestiza women, of course) are ugly is just denying reality. I’m in Latin America as I write this….and the women down here are SO much more feminine, attractive, and sexy than western white women…..especially American white women.

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    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    Some mestizas are attractive, largely depending on two things: which tribe their indio component is and what the percentage is. I find the Aztecs in particular visually rebarbative, your mileage may differ.

    Most of the good looking "mestizas" are actually mostly or all White Spanish, Catherine Bach, Raquel Welch, et al.

    Vikki Carr and Linda Ronstadt, both superb singers in their day, never appealed that much to me visually. Neither has much indio in her.
    , @RadicalCenter
    Dude, we live in L.A. and you either have poor vision or much, much different standards of beauty. You are certainly not describing the Mexican and Mexican-"American" "women" here, city or suburbs, or across CA, AZ, NM, and CO in our experience. The women often outweigh their husbands, and it is difficult to imagine that someone slept with these trolls even when they were young.

    Hey, they may be morbidly obese and tough on the eyes, but at least they're often unpleasant and not real bright.
  23. @gremix
    I'm not sure which WN group Fred is talking to specifically. The core historical type (William Pierce) would deport anyone without blonde hair and blue eyes. After that, you have the more generic WNs which vary from Nativist only to European only. And then the 3rd group, which sees WN as a means to asserting White identity and maintaining the majority White core of America... but isn't that worried about small amounts of immigration and racial purity.

    Either way, you probably won't get any practical responses because there is no unified WN.

    Well said…..and it also doesn’t help that many “white nationalists” make complete fools out of themselves and say and do shit that turns off mainstream white America.

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    Exactly. Those yahoos could probably achieve most of their goals by simply doing what all other ethic groups do; live in the same neighbourhoods, socialize with each other, start small businesses and hire each other, support their own churches and 'cultural festivals', vote for their own group interest, set their kids up for success... and shut up about it. Look at the Koreans, the Indians, etc. That's what they do, and it works out pretty good.

    BUT, the 'mighty whitey' would rather march around playing Blitzkrieg dress up games and jabber their inane slogans at the media outlets (which they should know is not on their side)...

    They're idiots. Complete idiots.
  24. Fred,

    I consider myself a White nationalist and have lightly pondered your questions. I enjoy Sailer and all the rest, but at some point, it’s hard to not ask the big question: What’s next?

    To be honest, I think that the odds of anything other than a slow (maybe even rapid) decline for the country seem extraordinarily low. Some form of Brazil of the North seems to be our future, though predicting the future is a fool’s game. However, from a practical, i.e. though a long shot is at least feasible, standpoint, here’s what I’d like to see and what it would produce:

    1. Bring illegal immigration to zero. Bring legal immigration to a near standstill. What little (we’re talking 0.1% of the population here) immigration is allowed would be based on the current demographic percentages (Europeans ~60%, Hispanics ~20%, etc.) and favor highly skilled immigrants.

    2. The acknowledgement of European Americans as a group, which would allow whites to show ethnic/racial pride without fear of retribution.

    3. Creating think tanks and lobby groups for European Americans. Pressure wealthy whites to protect their own when they are attacked. For instance, a white think tank would have hired Jason Richwine when he was attacked for his paper. A businessman fired because he refused to promote unqualified blacks would be hired by another corporation sympathetic to his views.

    4. Push hard for Freedom of Association. Allows people to live and do business with whomever they choose. If I want to develop a “white-only” neighborhood, that should be allowed. And if that neighborhood pays taxes, it should be allowed to have public schools, which due to the demographics would be nearly 100% white. Hispanics and blacks can do the same. Naturally, whites don’t have to live in these white enclaves, but it would be a choice. (Note: This is my most far-fetched goal.)

    I think that this would satisfy most White nationalists and could save the country from splintering. Over time, I suspect that Hispanics would be drawn to the lifestyle created by whites and would move in that direction, though due to cultural and genetic reasons likely wouldn’t reach the same level as a group though I’m sure that many Hispanic neighborhoods would be quite nice.

    I also think that you’d have quite a bit of intermarriage among whites and Hispanics and whites and Asians, but the core white population would remain intact. So, yes, much mixing, but mostly groups living among their own and respecting each other’s right to exist separately.

    Could this work? I think so. Will it happen? No chance.

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    4. Push hard for Freedom of Association. Allows people to live and do business with whomever they choose. If I want to develop a “white-only” neighborhood, that should be allowed. And if that neighborhood pays taxes, it should be allowed to have public schools, which due to the demographics would be nearly 100% white. Hispanics and blacks can do the same. Naturally, whites don’t have to live in these white enclaves, but it would be a choice. (Note: This is my most far-fetched goal.)
     
    I don't think this is all that far-fetched. Unlike "race war"/mass-deportation objectives, this is a policy that large numbers of non-whites could get behind. If it were ever adopted by the mainstream, its purpose and justification would be to make separatism available to those who desire it - not to impose it on those who don't. Contrary to the claims of "anti-racist" demagogues, support for this policy doesn't require any hatred of other races whatsoever.
    , @Truth
    "4. Push hard for Freedom of Association. Allows people to live and do business with whomever they choose. If I want to develop a “white-only” neighborhood, that should be allowed."

    It is allowed, there is nothing stopping you from creating a "white-only" neighborhood; that is, until someone who is not white wants to live there. You see, our democracy is simple in its genius; any American can live Anywhere he wants.

    What gives you domain over a piece of property that someone else doesn't have?
  25. We’ve tried tolerance. It hasn’t worked out well for us. We now have a youth cohort that is minority White. To the extent that the newcomers have assimilated, they have assimilated to leftist and Hollywood norms. They are not grateful to us, but despise us for our “racism”.

    Send them back. Too bad for them.

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  26. @gremix
    I'm not sure which WN group Fred is talking to specifically. The core historical type (William Pierce) would deport anyone without blonde hair and blue eyes. After that, you have the more generic WNs which vary from Nativist only to European only. And then the 3rd group, which sees WN as a means to asserting White identity and maintaining the majority White core of America... but isn't that worried about small amounts of immigration and racial purity.

    Either way, you probably won't get any practical responses because there is no unified WN.

    I’m not sure where you get your information from, but I’m not aware of any White Nationalist, or even Supremacist group that would “deport anyone without blonde hair and blue eyes.” I’ve never read anything like this anywhere, even the Nazis never came out against redheads, brunettes or black haired people. Brown eyes, green eyes, hazel eyes, I’ve never read anywhere, anyone calling for the deportation of such folks. Maybe you were just using hyperbole, or maybe you buy the cartoon version of some evil Dr. Mengele (blonde haired, blue eyed version) plotting the end of all non-Aryans. The overwhelming majority of White people just want to be left alone, they don’t want forced integration and they don’t want affirmative action.

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    "The overwhelming majority of White people just want to be left alone, they don’t want forced integration and they don’t want affirmative action."

    Bravo, and well said Rich. That is exactly the sentiment of those of my friends who aren't too fearful to speak about this topic.
    , @gremix
    I mentioned a very influential WN name in the previous post so it's strange that you're unaware of basic Aryan racial theory. Also this topic is on "WN's"... not "the overwhelming majority of White people" who probably haven't even heard of the movement.
  27. Fred, you’re probably too old to change, and a jackass to boot, but I’ll try and explain things to you anyway.

    Sentiments toward non-whites are immaterial. One can love non-whites, or hate them, or be indifferent to them, and still be an ethnopatriot. Same goes for any other racial or ethnic classification one cares to plug into the equation. If you’re an ethnopatriot, you want your group to survive, in a genetic sense. That’s pretty much it. Everything else is optional.

    When you talk about immigrants, you sound like a loyalist, circa 1770, centering your ideas of what’s possible around King George. George became irrelevant PDQ, no?

    I’d be good with WNs just grabbing a State, or two, or four. Seceding, or reaching a compromise with the Union. Or simply getting the right to free association (in the broad sense) enshrinedin a Constitutional Amendment, or even in a State, or two, or four (though I don’t know how that would work without Constitutional protection).

    Etc. It’s hard having conversations about this stuff with old jerks like you, though. Usually, I find your imaginations dried up long ago.

    Sort of like I’m having a hard time getting more than a few paragraphs into your usual blowhardation. Maybe later.

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  28. I want whites to start thinking like Jews, Chinese, Arabs, and everybody else. Then I want them to start behaving like Jews, Chinese, Arabs, and everybody else. Then I want to sit back and watch how they go about it. They won’t need my help, or my ideas.

    As for hate, it’s pretty much entirely circumstantial. You can be a dog-lover, but when you come up against a gang that is forcing packs of wild dogs into your home, your yard, your workplace, etc., you might quickly grow tired of dogs.

    Put an end to the gang, see the dogs go back to their natural state, and you can be a dog-lover again. It’s the forced part that sticks in most craws.

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  29. I don’t care what crapola Catholics have layered on top of Scripture. There is no Scriptural basis for anti-racism. The opposite is true.

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    Were it not for the Catholic Church you would have no New Testament to interpret wrongly but if some protestants are proud of their racism what can one say?

    Every single word of the New Testament was written by a Catholic to other Catholics in an already existing Catholic Church; that is, the Catholic Church preceded the New Testament.

    That aside, where does Jesus, the First Pope (Peter) Saint Paul, Saint James, Saint Jude, St John, or anyone else teach that racism is Christian? (See Gal 3:28; Col 3:11)

    O, and do you know that one criteria the Catholic Church used to decide which book was to be included in the Canon was whether or not the book had been read at Mass.

    Have a blessed Sunday
  30. The overwhelming majority of White people just want to be left alone, they don’t want forced integration and they don’t want affirmative action.

    They seethe with resentment toward whites, and open hatred of proud whites. So, they project. Do you see whites go ape when someone says he’d rather not be around them? No. Because no chip on shoulder, no inferiority complex.

    Basically they all have guilty consciences. They wonder WTF YT is thinking, and fear the possibility that YT might come to his senses.

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  31. Priss Factor [AKA "Dominique Francon Society"] says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Latinos are okay… if we end immigration now.

    If not, SW will just become an extension of Mexico. In fact, much of it already is. And it’s not a pretty picture.

    As for East Asians, they will just go with the prevailing power. Lacking a strong identity, EA’s are more white bread than white bread. Notice that some EA’s become staunch conservatives and wanna be honorary whites while other EA’s become staunch proggies and wanna be honorary Jewish, homo, or Negro.

    Hindus are somewhat different. They are wily. And as India still has a big birthrate and is about to overtake China, the future of Asian community in US will be dominated by the Hindots. India says it plans to export 300 million dotters. I mean that is like the whole of US population. And even after the 300 million dotters have emigrated, India will have more babies and produce 300 million surplus kids in two decades and they too emigrate. So, US has to watch out for the dotters.
    East Asians are the servile race. Their personality isn’t much different from that of Mexers who are of Mongoid origin. Mexers are happy to keep head low and say ‘si senor’. It’s like the scene in PAT GARRETT AND BILLY THE KID. Billy tells an old Mexer to bring him a Mexer, and the Mexer just smiles and obeys.
    East Asians have strong identity ONLY when they are in a homogeneous and united nation. Outside Asia, they are servile ants to the Power. Mexer peasant class are the same way. But there are now SO MANY Mexers in SW that they are forming a political power base. Even so, it is pretty lackluster given the numbers. It goes to show that Mexers still wanna follow than lead.

    As for Muslims, I don’t see them as any threat at all in the US. In EU, yes. Too many of them there. But there will never be enough Muslims in the US to cause problems other than the occasional terrorist bombing that will kill a handful, as in Boston by the Bomb Bros.

    But there is the Negroes. But then, Negroes were here for a long time. America’s biggest sin is bringing Negroes, the most dangerous race, over here.
    Diversity is a double-edged sword. It poses a demographic challenge to white power. But diversity-via-immigration serves as buffer between whites and blacks. And if reparations must be paid, having a large immigrant population places the burden on the newcomers. They will be taxed to give free stuff to Negroes.
    (Truly troubling is the huge immigration from black Africa into US and to EU. Blacks are trouble. Worst of all, they will kick white boys’ butts and steal white girls’ wombs.)

    But white elites gain more from Diversity than white working class do.
    White elites and white affluent will remain above the Diversity. Diversity will be working for them and serve as buffer between them and the nasty Negroes.
    But for white working class, they will lose to competition to immigrants and end up with the Negroes, with the boys getting whupped by Negroes and the white girls giving their wombs to Negroes to hatch mulatto babies.

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    So, Diversity is good for white elite privilege/supremacism, but it’s not bad for white working class. Ironically, white elites who gain most from diversity accuse white working class for ‘white supremacism’. Those who enjoy white privilege as a form of defacto white supremacism accuse white working class who face a future of inferiority–mocked by that slimeball Fareed Zikavirus–are called a bunch of Nazis.

    Anyway, there is more than one white America. If you part of White Affluent America, you have more to gain from diversity. More nannies. More immigrant women as mistresses, girlfriends, or wives. More docile labor. More buffer between yourselves and the ghastly Negroes.
    But if you’re Struggling White America, more immigration means more competition for you. Lower wages and more chance that you will end up living next to Negroes who will beat up white boys and steal white girls.

    Also, there is the culture of debasement of tattoos, mainstream-ization of porn that we now see even in Disney products, piercing, stupidity, childishness, fatassedness, and etc.
    Privileged whites got fat assets, and poor whites got fat asses and not much else(unless we count tattoos on those asses).

    Anyway, I hear that Iran is only 50% Persian, but there is still a strong sense of Persian-ness among the Farsical folks there.
    So, maybe that is the future of America.

    What US needs is the development of a New White Elite.
    All societies need elites. Masses cannot rule themselves. They need to be led.
    Look at the Civil Rights Movement. While Negroes wanted justice and equality for a long time, the movement came about due to leadership, organization, and managements. Jews and people like MLK played a huge part. Without such a movement, Negroes would have just munched on melon and chicken and drowned their sorrow with ripple.

    So, unless there is the elite to lead the movement or cause, the masses will go nowhere. Most people are like herd of cattle. Unless there is a cowboy to lead them to pasture, they won’t know where to go. It’s like Jews needed Moses to lead them to the Promised Land of Milk and Money?

    The problem for whites is that the white elites have been co-opted by the globalists. So, white elites don’t lead white folks. Without leadership, white masses are sinking in morass of confusion and even suffering from White Death.
    Current white elites are collaborator-traitors, not unlike the comprador collaborator-elites among Hindus and Chinese who served the foreign imperialists.
    India was on the road of independence ONLY WHEN a new alt-hindu elite rose to lead the native masses than serve the foreign British imperialists. Same with Ho Chi Minh and the Vietnam. Ho decided to lead the masses than serve the French. Same with Castro. Castro decided to lead the Cubanos than serve the Hyman Roths of the world.

    The main role of the so-called Alt Right must be to create a new white elite, one that represents, expresses, serves, and leads the aspirations, interests, and concerns of white folks as a racial, cultural, historical, and territorial(and even spiritual) community.
    Such elite once existed but vanished as the white elites of both parties turned into comprador cuck-collaborators. The cuckerals and cuckservatives.

    Now, if the current white elites were to wake up, gain racial/cultural consciousness, and represent & lead the white masses, there is no need for Alt Right. But it seems hopeless to expect the current white elite to play that role. They got too much to lose. They’ve gained so much wealth and privilege as comprador-cucks to the Globalists.
    So, if white people need leadership, Alt Right must form a new elite. Since Alt Right lacks for money, it must rely on imagination, inspiration, creativity, and etc. like Fidel Castro and Ho did.

    Unless this new elite is created, there is no future for white power as a unified force.
    There will just be fractured bits and piece of white America. It’s like Germany was fractured into so many principalities until Bismarck came along to unify the Germanics into one people. White America needs its Garibaldi who can unite the fragments into a whole. It’s like China went into the Warlords era after the fall of the Republic until the KMT under Chiang began to piece it together again.
    America is one country geographically, but there are too many white Americas that are fractured, and of course, the globalists want it that way since they hate the idea of a united White America. White America is only united in worship of Israel and holy Jews, worship of MLK culture, and now maybe even homo-worship. White America is NOT united on any sense of white identity or white interests.
    Again, the masses cannot do anything without leadership. No Gandhi and Nehru, no India movement toward independence. No Ho and Castro, no movement for kicking out the imperialists.

    Unfortunately, the West has ‘leaders’ like Merkel, Holland, Cameron, May, and etc.
    In the EU, Orban of Hungary and the Polacks are showing some sense of national leadership. They are to their own nations what Netanyahu is for Israel.

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  32. Some Latinos can assimilate. Doesn’t look like many want to. If we keep letting more in they will never assimilate.

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  33. First off, I am a White Nationalist. You’re engaging in some strawman arguments here Mr. Reed. Preferring my own race does not necessarily mean that I loathe Mestizos and Indios. I simply prefer not to live amongst large numbers of them.

    What is required, in my opinion, is some large scale displacements. Difficult to be sure, but not impossible. I propose a separation. Essentially, Southern California, parts or all of New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and Southern Texas should be given back to Mexico (The Reconquista as they call it). Next, all whites should be expelled from these regions and all Mestizos and Indios should be expelled from all other regions of the U.S. Again, difficult to be sure, but far from impossible. Genetic testing could be done. Land swaps could be set up.

    I know that I’ve left out Blacks in this equation, but, frankly, I have no idea what is to be done about those creatures. Mestizos and Indios are a workable minority. Blacks are another question entirely.

    This would be incredibly disruptive and a bitter pill for many to swallow. However, it would be far less disruptive than a Civil War. Anything worth doing is difficult. Large scale displacements have happened before. Prior to WWI, most European countries had large minority populations from other European countries. The Inter-War years saw a decrease in this. Post WWII saw mostly homogeneous populations. World Wars are not necessary to accomplish this. Good policy and common sense can accomplish the same thing.

    Diversity + Proximity = Violence. Let’s grow up and realize that we can’t “All just get along”.

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    • Replies: @Former Darfur
    No matter how it breaks out, the California Desirable Strip-coast from Sacramento to San Diego and 30-50 miles inland tracking down to the Mexican border-will never be steezerville: Ivan and Mahmoud and Lance LaBruce may hate each other but they can probably ally to keep this little strip of paradise. White Americans, like the steezers, will be priced out of course.

    The rest of Covington's Aztlan could be "given up", but it would be cowardice to do so without a fight at this point. Our last great president Polk took it, after all, precisely because it wasn't packed full of mestizos and the Spanish ruling class, whereas the portion of Mexico he did not take was.
    , @Discard
    The only part of the southwest that should be given to Mexico is the Mexicans living there. Mexico is not our equal, and we don't need to make any compromise at all. And if we give an inch to Mexico, China will be demanding Washington west of the Cascades.
  34. The real problem, as I see it, is that the Globalists, the cheap labor billionaires (but then I repeat myself), the marxists/democrats, want to continue importing 3d worlders until the US resembles Brazil…In other words, to completely submerge the white majority that built the USA, and Western civilization. To do this, they need to elect a proven criminal, Hillary, and to continue destroying the middle class, and likely the 2d Amendment. But the Globalists have given away their game, and that will result in some kind of civil war…..which nobody should want….That is the enigma, how to stop this process, not how to deport existing citizens.

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  35. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Greg Johnson explains:

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/06/the-slow-cleanse/

    They can go home gradually, the same way they came in.

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    • Replies: @conatus
    Great comment. All the crypto anti YT partizans bring up the utter impossibility of returning to an all white country but simply to make the US less welcoming would be a start enough.
    The US was never 100% white but it was the 1790 Naturalization Act that stated they wanted 'free white persons of good character' to constitute the immigrant class.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

    But let's forget about that, the main point would be to repeal EMTALA that provides free medical care and then overturn Plyler v. Doe that provides free secondary education.
    Do that and you would de-incentivise a considerable part of immigration and a lot of people would self deport.
    Right now we have a quarter of Mexico's population, de-incentivise living in the US and a huge proportion would return.
    "Before 1920, about 30 percent of all immigrants to the United States later returned to their native country."
    http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1999/3/99.03.01.x.html
    No government programs to take advantage of.
    A little bit of de-incentivization goes a long way to make the country a whiter shade of pale.
  36. @RJJCDA
    First, one cannot prove the whole by the part, or the part by the whole; and nor can one prove the universal by the particular, or the particular by the universal. That said: the group genetic load of Latinos is different than for whites, Asians or blacks, and they also differ among themselves.

    The white majority, as any spawning majority, has a right to preserve, and enhance, their majoritarian demographics. Failure to do so means democide, and the end of Western civilization. Culture, which drives civilizations, is derived from specific group genomes interacting with their circumstances over time.

    Therefore, benignly encouraging self-deportation of non-whites until they constitute at most about 15%, one standard deviation, of a nation's population is imperative. Financial incentives can be offered. Failing that, America will inevitably break-up into a half dozen nations, or be held together only by a tyrannical authoritarian government.

    Therefore, benignly encouraging self-deportation of non-whites until they constitute at most about 15%, one standard deviation, of a nation’s population is imperative.

    I know somebody has already gotten to this, but I just want to strike another note of astonishment at how stupid this is. The standard deviation of IQ (among whites) is 15 points. The standard deviation is the square root of the variance, which in turn is the mean squared distance from the population mean (so, for instance, the variance of IQ would be 15^2 = 225).

    Apparently, reading and/or skimming racialist internet blogs by Hitlerian cranks has broken your brain and caused you to believe that anything that has something to do with the number 15 is a “standard deviation”.

    It’s captivatingly pathetic.

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  37. @John Rebel
    What you are saying about Mestizos is really crazy, at least in my opinion. Have you ever been to what is known as Latin America? Have you ever been to one of these countries? Latina (mestiza) women are among the beautiful in the world? Venezula is a shithole, but their women are gorgeous. Same for Costa Rica. Hell, there are lots of Mexican hotties.

    I'm against illegal immigration and I hate it that tons of low IQ thugs are walking right through our open borders, but to give the impression that mestizos (I'm focusing on Mestiza women, of course) are ugly is just denying reality. I'm in Latin America as I write this....and the women down here are SO much more feminine, attractive, and sexy than western white women.....especially American white women.

    Some mestizas are attractive, largely depending on two things: which tribe their indio component is and what the percentage is. I find the Aztecs in particular visually rebarbative, your mileage may differ.

    Most of the good looking “mestizas” are actually mostly or all White Spanish, Catherine Bach, Raquel Welch, et al.

    Vikki Carr and Linda Ronstadt, both superb singers in their day, never appealed that much to me visually. Neither has much indio in her.

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  38. @Dr. Krieger
    First off, I am a White Nationalist. You're engaging in some strawman arguments here Mr. Reed. Preferring my own race does not necessarily mean that I loathe Mestizos and Indios. I simply prefer not to live amongst large numbers of them.

    What is required, in my opinion, is some large scale displacements. Difficult to be sure, but not impossible. I propose a separation. Essentially, Southern California, parts or all of New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and Southern Texas should be given back to Mexico (The Reconquista as they call it). Next, all whites should be expelled from these regions and all Mestizos and Indios should be expelled from all other regions of the U.S. Again, difficult to be sure, but far from impossible. Genetic testing could be done. Land swaps could be set up.

    I know that I've left out Blacks in this equation, but, frankly, I have no idea what is to be done about those creatures. Mestizos and Indios are a workable minority. Blacks are another question entirely.

    This would be incredibly disruptive and a bitter pill for many to swallow. However, it would be far less disruptive than a Civil War. Anything worth doing is difficult. Large scale displacements have happened before. Prior to WWI, most European countries had large minority populations from other European countries. The Inter-War years saw a decrease in this. Post WWII saw mostly homogeneous populations. World Wars are not necessary to accomplish this. Good policy and common sense can accomplish the same thing.

    Diversity + Proximity = Violence. Let's grow up and realize that we can't "All just get along".

    No matter how it breaks out, the California Desirable Strip-coast from Sacramento to San Diego and 30-50 miles inland tracking down to the Mexican border-will never be steezerville: Ivan and Mahmoud and Lance LaBruce may hate each other but they can probably ally to keep this little strip of paradise. White Americans, like the steezers, will be priced out of course.

    The rest of Covington’s Aztlan could be “given up”, but it would be cowardice to do so without a fight at this point. Our last great president Polk took it, after all, precisely because it wasn’t packed full of mestizos and the Spanish ruling class, whereas the portion of Mexico he did not take was.

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  39. Most ordinary Latinos already identify as white. The few who don’t are, ironically, the very white Mexican elites who propagate the La Raza myth. I would think encouraging this is the best approach for Anglo white nationalists. And east-Asian & south-Asians can be allies of white-led USA in a form of very mild white supremacism, basically pre-1968 USA norms: whites are the leading group, the leitkultur, which everyone else is encouraged to support.
    Since everyone benefits from living in a white-led country, this shouldn’t be too hard. It took a lot of cultural Marxism to delegitimise whiteness in the first place.

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  40. @Dr. Krieger
    First off, I am a White Nationalist. You're engaging in some strawman arguments here Mr. Reed. Preferring my own race does not necessarily mean that I loathe Mestizos and Indios. I simply prefer not to live amongst large numbers of them.

    What is required, in my opinion, is some large scale displacements. Difficult to be sure, but not impossible. I propose a separation. Essentially, Southern California, parts or all of New Mexico, Nevada, Arizona, and Southern Texas should be given back to Mexico (The Reconquista as they call it). Next, all whites should be expelled from these regions and all Mestizos and Indios should be expelled from all other regions of the U.S. Again, difficult to be sure, but far from impossible. Genetic testing could be done. Land swaps could be set up.

    I know that I've left out Blacks in this equation, but, frankly, I have no idea what is to be done about those creatures. Mestizos and Indios are a workable minority. Blacks are another question entirely.

    This would be incredibly disruptive and a bitter pill for many to swallow. However, it would be far less disruptive than a Civil War. Anything worth doing is difficult. Large scale displacements have happened before. Prior to WWI, most European countries had large minority populations from other European countries. The Inter-War years saw a decrease in this. Post WWII saw mostly homogeneous populations. World Wars are not necessary to accomplish this. Good policy and common sense can accomplish the same thing.

    Diversity + Proximity = Violence. Let's grow up and realize that we can't "All just get along".

    The only part of the southwest that should be given to Mexico is the Mexicans living there. Mexico is not our equal, and we don’t need to make any compromise at all. And if we give an inch to Mexico, China will be demanding Washington west of the Cascades.

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    • Replies: @silviosilver
    Racial separatism needn't imply giving any part of America to Mexico or any other country. And you are certainly not going to be giving Mexicans back to Mexico or deporting any population wholesale.

    The sooner this reality sinks into WNs' abominably thick skulls the better. No matter how much they howl in rage, they have to understand that they will never ever be in a position to dictate such terms to anybody. End of.

  41. “if you told a German that his kids should not learn English or French, or both, he would look at you strangely. ”
    Fred Reed got this wrong. Germans are more and more willing to learn English, not as the language of a domestic minority or a neighbour, but as the present lingua franca for international contacts. Reciprocally, Germans are less and less interested in learning French (French has some support by the governments of the German states neighbouring France, but this doesn’t trickle down to the people.)
    Germans are completely uninterested in learning Turkish, even if Turks are by far the largest domestic minority to be assimilated. I suppose that Germans see that people assimilate as far as they (are forced to) understand the new language better than the original language.

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  42. @Svigor
    I don't care what crapola Catholics have layered on top of Scripture. There is no Scriptural basis for anti-racism. The opposite is true.

    Were it not for the Catholic Church you would have no New Testament to interpret wrongly but if some protestants are proud of their racism what can one say?

    Every single word of the New Testament was written by a Catholic to other Catholics in an already existing Catholic Church; that is, the Catholic Church preceded the New Testament.

    That aside, where does Jesus, the First Pope (Peter) Saint Paul, Saint James, Saint Jude, St John, or anyone else teach that racism is Christian? (See Gal 3:28; Col 3:11)

    O, and do you know that one criteria the Catholic Church used to decide which book was to be included in the Canon was whether or not the book had been read at Mass.

    Have a blessed Sunday

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  43. 2nd generation Muslim. Diminished status in adopted country. Tormented by other Middle Eastern or North Africans, also from violent, retributive, tribal countries.

    What I want to know is why our press… print, internet, cable news..and governors, in EVERY CASE, has this rosy eyed vision of a multi cultural paradise where each hitherto isolated culture proffers only “enrichment and diversity” to our otherwise hateful, evil, xenophobic, and self loathing WHITE societies?

    This is generational. While parents have been struggling in economies shrinking from globalist dreams, our children have been force fed a toxic multi cultural stew – which instructs them that WE are BAD, failed 3rd world cultures are GOOD, and that only extreme integration will heal our hearts, and expand our minds.

    I don’t want to live in Nigeria. Save the racial epithets… I don’t want to live in Albania or Moldovia either. Multi generational blood feuds and serial rapists with elevated testosterone and minimal intelligent quotients do not make good neighbors.

    Yet Europe, and North America — and even Australia are inundated with this philosophy that forced migration and intermarriage between unlike peoples is our salvation. Victims of this carnage are casualties in a war on US by a powerful elite who have taken over our governments and communication network.

    Me and mine are necessary collateral damage, whilst the children and homes of the elite are safe in their private schools and gated enclaves. How many Syrians are being shipped to Barbados? Bermuda? the Bahamas?… And that’s just the B’s.

    This is war on White, European and American culture. As if we are some plague on the planet that must be contained, thwarted and re educated to embrace the failed membership of the 3rd world… WHOM by the way, are alive and breeding because WE were stupid enough to FEED THE CHILDREN….. DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS… CATHOLIC CHARITIES>>..

    and now the economic music is slowing… and there are not 7 billion chairs. Christians are out of cheeks to proffer to the savages of the planet who breed like roaches and do not assimilate but DESTROY the very civilization that made their survival possible.

    And now we are told it’s OUR fault that the children of migrants are self loathing losers … surrounded by the soft bigotry of white supremacy.

    And not a peep about the sexual deviance – the practice of buggering our toddler boys whilst they murder homosexuals. They bring serial rape and mutilation of females… the generational blood feuds and IQ’s below room temperature.

    this is the price of Falafel street food? No thank you.

    We cannot drag these vermin into the 21st century … they do not have the capacity or inclination. We can either summon our inner Vikings and save blue eyes, or return to a barbarous 7th century. These invading cultures are not a way forward for mankind.

    They are a formula for destruction, for us, our civilization, and the planet. Darwin would be slack jawed at what we have wrought.

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  44. Which “white nationalists” do you speak of?

    Most of this article is just knocking down strawmen.

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    Yes, but it's Fred Reed. Can't expect too much in the way of honesty from him when the subject is racial politics. I hate to say this because I'm genuinely a fan of Fred's work, but like John Derbyshire he just totally refuses to critique WN as explicated by its leading proponents.

    My own feeling is that the heart of the WN cause is basically just. Whites really are on the fast track to racial extinction and a large part of the reason is anti-white lies and race-denial. Since it's better to racially live on rather than die off, WNs certainly have a case. Unfortunately, as just as their case is, WNs themselves, particularly once you move in the rank and file, tend to be complete scum - and utterly delusional.
    , @vinteuil
    Fred Reed has this bad habit of never actually quoting or linking to anybody he's supposed to be arguing with.
  45. Nothing’s been said about white out-migration (if possible) to places that may be in better shape than the U.S., assuming white Americans might be welcome.

    And this notion of “white.” Who’s white? Charles Darwin considered the Irish a vile race, inferior to the Hottentots. Today the Irish are lily white. As are the Armenians. As are… whoever fits the current definition. And didn’t we see the emergence of the “white Hispanic” during the Trayvon farce?

    What about the Jews? It always comes down to the Jews. The WN’s can’t make up their minds. American Jews are white, sort of, with much German and Slavic ancestry, European mestisos really, but being, in Stormfront’s mind, the Fount Of All Evil, ain’t no place for the Jews in the WN republic. To which respectable WN’s like Jared Taylor say, “Get outta here. Go put your hood on.”

    If a Final Solution to the “race problem” is off the table, WN’s have got to deal. In that sense, everybody’s Nekkid In Austin these days.

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  46. Learning to live together while putting a crimper on further enrichment seems to be by far the most politically feasible and the most ethical solution across the developed world.

    Ultimately, La Raza Cosmica >> Eurabia, but nonetheless, “remove kebab” is not a slogan that almost anyone takes seriously outside Balkan flamewars and The Daily Stormer. In this respect, the US is an arguably much better situation than most of Western Europe.

    Two solutions:

    (1) Pro-natality campaigns that are deniably pro-White/pro-eugenic (e.g. Hungary, where you need to have a job/not be a criminal to qualify, which disqualifies most of the Gypsies);

    (2) Expanded research into radical life extension, which will cut down on the demographic problem from the mortality end. Both Hispanics and European Muslims have low mortality rates because their populations are youthful. Making everyone functionally “younger” in terms of survival schedules will make mortality rates converge. And Whites won’t get flooded out of existence (as fast, anyway).

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    I agree that lifespan extension is only worthwhile ( socially) if it is useful lifespan. Being 90 plus years old, frail and on public pension has no public benefit.

    One thing that might be done in the interim is what some cities in Japan have offered. There, females can have their eggs stored for free for later in vitro fertilization and implantation in their own or a surrogates womb.

    Its obvious female biological clocks are not synchronized with the demands of modern life. Prime childbearing and rearing years must be sacrificed to the demands of education and career. By allowing women to have children later in life, say in their late fifties, we can re-synchronize biology with reality. It also would be useful for couples to have teenage children around as they enter old age. For the children they could look forward to inheriting their parents estate as they form their own family.
    , @Anonymous
    Anatoly, no the most ethical and feasible thing to do is to leave the rest of the world alone. Quit invading other countries, quit having American banks suck the wealth out of countries, quit toppling other leaders, quit dotting the world with military bases. If we did these things first, first I said, then the rest of the world would not need to come here and we could ethically say no.

    The fact that you are advocating tricks and life extension (really? life extension?) is just a diversion from what really needs to happen.
    , @5371
    You have to lose crap like (2). If you're going to go full retard, after all, why not write "Expanded research into mind uploading, so we no longer have to pretend to care".
  47. I think Jason Liu (#14) and Citizen of a Silly Country (#24) both make temperate, reasoned statements that the politics we have now are pretty radical and disruptive of ordered liberty. Some statements—such as freedom of association– seem mainstreamable right out of the box for speakers and thinkers with the right skill set. Try to think how compulsory association , which is what we have now, can ever be made to sound good.

    I don’t know how that fits in with the “white nationalist” label, but it’s worth noting that the “Afro-centric” curricula at some public and charter schools in my area are funded mostly by White taxpayers at very high per pupil rates.

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  48. @Anatoly Karlin
    Learning to live together while putting a crimper on further enrichment seems to be by far the most politically feasible and the most ethical solution across the developed world.

    Ultimately, La Raza Cosmica >> Eurabia, but nonetheless, "remove kebab" is not a slogan that almost anyone takes seriously outside Balkan flamewars and The Daily Stormer. In this respect, the US is an arguably much better situation than most of Western Europe.

    Two solutions:

    (1) Pro-natality campaigns that are deniably pro-White/pro-eugenic (e.g. Hungary, where you need to have a job/not be a criminal to qualify, which disqualifies most of the Gypsies);

    (2) Expanded research into radical life extension, which will cut down on the demographic problem from the mortality end. Both Hispanics and European Muslims have low mortality rates because their populations are youthful. Making everyone functionally "younger" in terms of survival schedules will make mortality rates converge. And Whites won't get flooded out of existence (as fast, anyway).

    I agree that lifespan extension is only worthwhile ( socially) if it is useful lifespan. Being 90 plus years old, frail and on public pension has no public benefit.

    One thing that might be done in the interim is what some cities in Japan have offered. There, females can have their eggs stored for free for later in vitro fertilization and implantation in their own or a surrogates womb.

    Its obvious female biological clocks are not synchronized with the demands of modern life. Prime childbearing and rearing years must be sacrificed to the demands of education and career. By allowing women to have children later in life, say in their late fifties, we can re-synchronize biology with reality. It also would be useful for couples to have teenage children around as they enter old age. For the children they could look forward to inheriting their parents estate as they form their own family.

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  49. Thank you to Fred and his host, Mr. Unz, for creating a safe commet space for…for…I don’t know what to call them. The Fractured?

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  50. The question in the column was: What to do about legal Latinos? You can’t deport American citizens, and they are not going to self-deport. Listing their defects, rel or imagined, is not a policy.

    Anatoly Karlin asks, What white nationalists, implying that they are few. We could start with the many commenters on the Unz Review who want deportation, most of Trump’s supporters, sites like amren.com and vdare.com and their readers, professional intellectuals like John Derbyshire and Ann Coulter and all their many followers–her anti-minority books are best sellers, I believe.

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    Fred, it's frustrating that you characterize Coulter's work as "anti-minority." For the love of God, man, do try to contain your inner SJW.
    , @vinteuil
    Neither Coulter nor The Derb is a "white nationalist."

    Would it just kill you, Fred, to characterize other people's positions accurately? Possibly even to quote them, or to link to them?

    This is elementary netiquette.
    , @Hail

    What to do about legal Latinos?
     
    Voluntary Repatriation (foreign-born) or Voluntary Depatriation (U.S.-born).

    Yes, an actual American nationalist government, in power, would obviously encourage recent immigrant stock to leave. This is not a profound mystery or a violent fantasy. It is simple. It can be done humanely, fairly, even generously.

    The method is: One-time payouts for those willing to go home.

    Example:

    A U.S. Hispanic born in 1985 to parents who came to the USA in 1980 from El Salvador, who speaks good Spanish but is very Americanized, and who holds menial jobs. An American nationalist government might offer this person $40,000 in a lump sum (El Salvador's per capita GDP x 5), plus additional one-time payouts for dependents, to depatriate and return to El Salvador, renouncing U.S. citizenship. With this cash in hand, plus selling off whatever other assets held in the USA, this person could start a great life in El Salvador. It's really a Win-Win, from an American nationalist perspective, and from this hypothetical individual Hispanic's perspective (he'd live well among his own kind rather than live in the USA, a society not his own). The new Salvadorean citizen could still visit the USA, pursuant to visa policy between our countries.

  51. @Anatoly Karlin
    Which "white nationalists" do you speak of?

    Most of this article is just knocking down strawmen.

    Yes, but it’s Fred Reed. Can’t expect too much in the way of honesty from him when the subject is racial politics. I hate to say this because I’m genuinely a fan of Fred’s work, but like John Derbyshire he just totally refuses to critique WN as explicated by its leading proponents.

    My own feeling is that the heart of the WN cause is basically just. Whites really are on the fast track to racial extinction and a large part of the reason is anti-white lies and race-denial. Since it’s better to racially live on rather than die off, WNs certainly have a case. Unfortunately, as just as their case is, WNs themselves, particularly once you move in the rank and file, tend to be complete scum – and utterly delusional.

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  52. @Discard
    The only part of the southwest that should be given to Mexico is the Mexicans living there. Mexico is not our equal, and we don't need to make any compromise at all. And if we give an inch to Mexico, China will be demanding Washington west of the Cascades.

    Racial separatism needn’t imply giving any part of America to Mexico or any other country. And you are certainly not going to be giving Mexicans back to Mexico or deporting any population wholesale.

    The sooner this reality sinks into WNs’ abominably thick skulls the better. No matter how much they howl in rage, they have to understand that they will never ever be in a position to dictate such terms to anybody. End of.

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    Had you read the comment I was responding to, you'd have noticed that Dr Krieger (33) wrote that we should give much of the Southwest to Mexico and that all Whites should be expelled from these regions. Now let that reality sink into your abominably thick skull.

    And nothing is off the table. As you wrote (51), Whites are on the fast track to racial extinction. Why do you then think that wholesale deportation is delusional? And why are WN, people whose cause you say is just, complete scum?

    Overt WN at present are the cutting edge of social reform. White survival is a just cause, and in not too many years we will be the mainstream. Not even progressives like to live near Mexicans or Blacks, and the Chinese and Hindus don't like to live with Whites. WN is what Whites really want, whether they will admit it or not. It's not we racist internet howlers that will be in a position to dictate terms, it will be the ordinary middle and working classes that have adopted our views that will.
  53. @Fred Reed
    The question in the column was: What to do about legal Latinos? You can't deport American citizens, and they are not going to self-deport. Listing their defects, rel or imagined, is not a policy.

    Anatoly Karlin asks, What white nationalists, implying that they are few. We could start with the many commenters on the Unz Review who want deportation, most of Trump's supporters, sites like amren.com and vdare.com and their readers, professional intellectuals like John Derbyshire and Ann Coulter and all their many followers--her anti-minority books are best sellers, I believe.

    Fred, it’s frustrating that you characterize Coulter’s work as “anti-minority.” For the love of God, man, do try to contain your inner SJW.

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  54. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @RJJCDA
    First, one cannot prove the whole by the part, or the part by the whole; and nor can one prove the universal by the particular, or the particular by the universal. That said: the group genetic load of Latinos is different than for whites, Asians or blacks, and they also differ among themselves.

    The white majority, as any spawning majority, has a right to preserve, and enhance, their majoritarian demographics. Failure to do so means democide, and the end of Western civilization. Culture, which drives civilizations, is derived from specific group genomes interacting with their circumstances over time.

    Therefore, benignly encouraging self-deportation of non-whites until they constitute at most about 15%, one standard deviation, of a nation's population is imperative. Financial incentives can be offered. Failing that, America will inevitably break-up into a half dozen nations, or be held together only by a tyrannical authoritarian government.

    Too late.

    If whites wanted a pure country, whites should not have brought slaves to America. Whites should not have gone to other countries and wrecked them through military and economic warfare. Whites should have gotten control of their 1% and made sure they did not flood their country with 3rd world labor.

    But we all know whites did not do these things and at the end of the day you reap what you sow. Whites in America trying to keep minorities to 15% is impossible without a civil war and breakup of America. So you can have your white America, but only in a Balkanized country. Any other talk is pure fantasy.

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    Too late.
     
    Hang on there pal, you missed Step 1.

    Step 1 is to claim that "Haha, whites aren't in any danger, so policies to defend white interests are totally irrational!"

    Once it's been demonstrated that whites are, in fact, in danger only then then do you move on to Step 2: "Haha, maybe you're right, but it's too late to do anything anyway!"
    , @Discard
    Our ruling classes brought slaves, made war on the Middle East, and imported foreign labor. We can fix that.

    We already have a Balkanized country. Civil war can fix that. Remember the Soviet Union? Remember Yugoslavia?
    , @RJJCDA
    Ah, I didn't mention "either side of the MEAN."Were you setting up a "straw man" argument? Merely the commonsense point that using a scale of 0-100, as in demographic percentages within a country's population, a STD of that number comes out close to 15%. This and other numbers higher and lower are supported by examples soon to be explicated in a forthcoming book.
    , @dc.sunsets
    A USA without blacks would run fine.

    A USA without hispanics would run fine.

    A USA without Asians (East or South) would run fine.

    A USA without whites would collapse in....3...2...1...(boom.) Who would man the nuclear power plants? The sewer systems? Who'd cultivate the crops, or the livestock?


    It's not a numbers game. It's a capability game.

    Sooooooo, the future will see the breakup of the USA, or else it will see an end to the political redistribution of wealth from the "Can Do's" to the "Can't Do's." This will cause a cataclysm one way or another, but the Progressivist, Equalitarian idiocy of paying people to be poor and useless is doomed.
  55. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Fred,

    I consider myself a White nationalist and have lightly pondered your questions. I enjoy Sailer and all the rest, but at some point, it's hard to not ask the big question: What's next?

    To be honest, I think that the odds of anything other than a slow (maybe even rapid) decline for the country seem extraordinarily low. Some form of Brazil of the North seems to be our future, though predicting the future is a fool's game. However, from a practical, i.e. though a long shot is at least feasible, standpoint, here's what I'd like to see and what it would produce:

    1. Bring illegal immigration to zero. Bring legal immigration to a near standstill. What little (we're talking 0.1% of the population here) immigration is allowed would be based on the current demographic percentages (Europeans ~60%, Hispanics ~20%, etc.) and favor highly skilled immigrants.

    2. The acknowledgement of European Americans as a group, which would allow whites to show ethnic/racial pride without fear of retribution.

    3. Creating think tanks and lobby groups for European Americans. Pressure wealthy whites to protect their own when they are attacked. For instance, a white think tank would have hired Jason Richwine when he was attacked for his paper. A businessman fired because he refused to promote unqualified blacks would be hired by another corporation sympathetic to his views.

    4. Push hard for Freedom of Association. Allows people to live and do business with whomever they choose. If I want to develop a "white-only" neighborhood, that should be allowed. And if that neighborhood pays taxes, it should be allowed to have public schools, which due to the demographics would be nearly 100% white. Hispanics and blacks can do the same. Naturally, whites don't have to live in these white enclaves, but it would be a choice. (Note: This is my most far-fetched goal.)

    I think that this would satisfy most White nationalists and could save the country from splintering. Over time, I suspect that Hispanics would be drawn to the lifestyle created by whites and would move in that direction, though due to cultural and genetic reasons likely wouldn't reach the same level as a group though I'm sure that many Hispanic neighborhoods would be quite nice.

    I also think that you'd have quite a bit of intermarriage among whites and Hispanics and whites and Asians, but the core white population would remain intact. So, yes, much mixing, but mostly groups living among their own and respecting each other's right to exist separately.

    Could this work? I think so. Will it happen? No chance.

    4. Push hard for Freedom of Association. Allows people to live and do business with whomever they choose. If I want to develop a “white-only” neighborhood, that should be allowed. And if that neighborhood pays taxes, it should be allowed to have public schools, which due to the demographics would be nearly 100% white. Hispanics and blacks can do the same. Naturally, whites don’t have to live in these white enclaves, but it would be a choice. (Note: This is my most far-fetched goal.)

    I don’t think this is all that far-fetched. Unlike “race war”/mass-deportation objectives, this is a policy that large numbers of non-whites could get behind. If it were ever adopted by the mainstream, its purpose and justification would be to make separatism available to those who desire it – not to impose it on those who don’t. Contrary to the claims of “anti-racist” demagogues, support for this policy doesn’t require any hatred of other races whatsoever.

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    But non-whites want to stay with whites, not because they like them but because they know they need the things that are paid for by whites. And if whites ever get away from blacks, the latter will have to pay for their own food, housing, policing, etc. with wealth generated in their own community. The reason whites are willing to pay for this now is that blacks can cause a lot of trouble for them if they don't. But in a segregated system...if you get rid of the Dane, why keep paying the Danegeld?
    , @Jd
    Let us be realistic for a moment, if a white nature reserve is ever established, some form of genetic testing is going to become necessary, unless you want to end up with a giant panda nature reserve that is actually half full of red pandas.
  56. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Aschwin
    Fred also buys into the common myth that white people are practitioners of the dark arts. Our negative views of Latinos magically lead them to become ghettoized, isolated, hostile and dysfunctional. I think this comment contains an implicit understanding that Latinos are heading in that exact direction today, and have been for a long time. We agree on the symptom, but differ on the cause.

    Didn't six Mexican teachers just die in protests against manditory testing? There is a reason why your readers disagree with your analysis of Mexican society. Personally, all positive things I can come up with are related to Mexico's authoritarian business culture. I can also imagine that Mexican students from certain strata are more disciplined(but less gifted) than their European-American counterparts. This doesn't mean you can simoly transplant them to a culturally/politically alien country(US) and expect similar results. You also fail to recognize the racial hierarcy in Mexico.

    And the answer to your question; American decline can no longer be prevented. European-Americans need to collectively fight for the right to maintain European- only neighbourhoods/businesses and become as ethnocentric as Latinos/Blacks are today.

    But, white people are practitioners of the dark arts. Keep trying to ignore that America uses its military, its banks, and its CIA to overthrow and control countries.

    Remember, Mexico has a higher IQ than Ireland. If we did not bring the drug war into Mexico and we quit interfering with their country, Mexico would not have near as much violence as it has today.

    And by the way, Whites becoming as ethnocentric as blacks will never happen but not for the reasons you think. No one is stopping white people from being ethnocentric. Whites will never go for this, because whites are focusing on ruling the entire world with elite whites at the top. To have the white race become ethnocentric will mean the elite whites will not be able to control the other races.

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    Mexicans were much more violent than Whites long before the drug wars. Even back in the 1950s, their murder rate was five times that of Whites.

    Whites, despite your claim, are not focused on ruling the entire world. I don't know a single White person who wants that. So, we'll have no problem becoming as racist as we need to be.
    , @Marcus

    Remember, Mexico has a higher IQ than Ireland.
     
    Source please. I'm skeptical of all these national IQ studies, but Lynn and Vanhanen pegged Mexico at 87 and Ireland at 93.
  57. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Bragadocious
    When I see Mexican scum burning the American flag and waving their flag at Trump rallies, I'm sorry, I can't see forming much common ground with these folks. This is aggression, violence and takeover. And the support for this behavior (or worse, silence) from their co-nationalists, legal and illegal, is quite revealing. If an aggressive cell of Americans were doing this in Mexico City, they'd be shot and disappeared like those students--and Mexicans would applaud loudly. This is a clash of civilizations, between 2 countries with very different views of free speech and rule of law. I wonder if Fred, the great Mexico booster, drives around the Mexican countryside at night. There's your acid test of a country's viability. Can you drive around at night without being abducted and killed?

    White people used to flag wave from their native countries all the time. Irish, Italian, Greek etc etc. Usually it was the most discriminated segment of the white population who would do this, but they don’t do it anymore.

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    Apparently you missed the part where I said they were also assaulting people and burning the American flag.
  58. @Anonymous
    Too late.

    If whites wanted a pure country, whites should not have brought slaves to America. Whites should not have gone to other countries and wrecked them through military and economic warfare. Whites should have gotten control of their 1% and made sure they did not flood their country with 3rd world labor.

    But we all know whites did not do these things and at the end of the day you reap what you sow. Whites in America trying to keep minorities to 15% is impossible without a civil war and breakup of America. So you can have your white America, but only in a Balkanized country. Any other talk is pure fantasy.

    Too late.

    Hang on there pal, you missed Step 1.

    Step 1 is to claim that “Haha, whites aren’t in any danger, so policies to defend white interests are totally irrational!”

    Once it’s been demonstrated that whites are, in fact, in danger only then then do you move on to Step 2: “Haha, maybe you’re right, but it’s too late to do anything anyway!”

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  59. @Intelligent Dasein
    First of all, let me stipulate for argument's sake that I am indeed a White Nationalist; and pace Fred Reed, I have, in fact, thought about these problems from a practical standpoint for as long as I have been a White Nationalist.

    Let me also add that for me, White Nationalism is a means not an end. What I truly desire above all else is a Traditionalist society. I am in favor of monarchy, of Latin-rite Roman Catholicism, of throne-and-altar Constantinism, of trades regulated by a guild system, of Aristotle and St. Thomas, of women assuming their appropriate role as wives and mothers, of currency backed by tangible assets, of art that edifies, of higher learning reserved for the talented few, and of a whole host of other things that used to be common sense during the long, quiet centuries before social critiques and problem-politics collided with the age of the Mass Man. But before any of these things can come to pass, we must dispense with the menace of Globalism and its social-democratic or crony-capitalist running dogs. The only way to do that is to preserve in the nations of the West some remnant of the culture which once embodied the nobler virtues that came to the defense of king and Creed and country---some genuine aristocracy, some real metaphysical religion.

    Thus White Nationalism. It is only among Whites that you will find people capable of even connecting with anything I just described, and even most of them do not. You will find zero blacks who do. You may find a very few Latinos (such as Nicolas Gomez Davila), but they are not the ones who are emigrating to America. The Latinos coming to America are coming precisely to be Mass Men, to be useless canaille who eat the fruits of civilization like locusts, consuming and laying waste to all in their path. They certainly aren't coming to assist the few worthy Whites who remain to lift the standard of Traditionalism.

    The practical solutions begin with deporting every Latino we possibly can. For those who inevitably remain, they must be rigorously assimilated. I believe Latinos are assimilable, but the process has to begin when they are very young children. "Hispanic" culture as it exists in the United States produces nothing but ignorant, entitled, lying, lazy scumfucks. Their men are weasely blowhards and their women are disgusting hos. They lie and steal as a matter of course. This whole warren of vice must be destroyed, and it has to begin by eradicating Spanish as a spoken language in American territory. English immersion must become mandatory. Secondly, the dole must be made totally unavailable to these people. No more welfare of any kind. Thirdly, the border must be closed not only to immigration but also to travel and trade. Being American means you stay here, you think of this as your home, and you forsake all other nations and persons. If you left family back in Mexico, too bad---you left them. Fourthly, they and their descendants will forever be denied the right of citizenship and will never be allowed to vote in American elections. They may set up self-governing councils and elect their own tribunes to govern them in internal matters, but their value as a democratic weapon of the Left will be nil. There may also be restrictions as to what sort of trades they may practice and even where they will live.

    In short, we need some sort of apartheid to adequately deal with our Mexican subclass. This is not harsh; it is a more than fair solution to the problem of a criminal people born for servility. They brought this upon themselves by coming here illegally and by being the wicked liars they are. They are entitled to nothing else, and if they do not like it they can return to Mexico.

    No one wants a monarchy or a feudal guild system. You should live in a renaissance fair or something.

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    It's not hard to understand why the Fred Reed's of the world scoff at WN when it's nutters like this claiming to speak in its name.
  60. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anatoly Karlin
    Learning to live together while putting a crimper on further enrichment seems to be by far the most politically feasible and the most ethical solution across the developed world.

    Ultimately, La Raza Cosmica >> Eurabia, but nonetheless, "remove kebab" is not a slogan that almost anyone takes seriously outside Balkan flamewars and The Daily Stormer. In this respect, the US is an arguably much better situation than most of Western Europe.

    Two solutions:

    (1) Pro-natality campaigns that are deniably pro-White/pro-eugenic (e.g. Hungary, where you need to have a job/not be a criminal to qualify, which disqualifies most of the Gypsies);

    (2) Expanded research into radical life extension, which will cut down on the demographic problem from the mortality end. Both Hispanics and European Muslims have low mortality rates because their populations are youthful. Making everyone functionally "younger" in terms of survival schedules will make mortality rates converge. And Whites won't get flooded out of existence (as fast, anyway).

    Anatoly, no the most ethical and feasible thing to do is to leave the rest of the world alone. Quit invading other countries, quit having American banks suck the wealth out of countries, quit toppling other leaders, quit dotting the world with military bases. If we did these things first, first I said, then the rest of the world would not need to come here and we could ethically say no.

    The fact that you are advocating tricks and life extension (really? life extension?) is just a diversion from what really needs to happen.

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    If we did these things first, first I said, then the rest of the world would not need to come here and we could ethically say no.
     
    It's possible to ethically say no even now. The rest of the world doesn't "need" to come - they want to. Just as they want to go to European countries which, last time I checked, weren't invading anywhere, toppling leaders, or dotting the world with military bases.
  61. @Former Darfur
    Some mestizas are attractive, largely depending on two things: which tribe their indio component is and what the percentage is. I find the Aztecs in particular visually rebarbative, your mileage may differ.

    Most of the good looking "mestizas" are actually mostly or all White Spanish, Catherine Bach, Raquel Welch, et al.

    Vikki Carr and Linda Ronstadt, both superb singers in their day, never appealed that much to me visually. Neither has much indio in her.

    Fair enough….I guess.

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  62. @Anonymous
    Anatoly, no the most ethical and feasible thing to do is to leave the rest of the world alone. Quit invading other countries, quit having American banks suck the wealth out of countries, quit toppling other leaders, quit dotting the world with military bases. If we did these things first, first I said, then the rest of the world would not need to come here and we could ethically say no.

    The fact that you are advocating tricks and life extension (really? life extension?) is just a diversion from what really needs to happen.

    If we did these things first, first I said, then the rest of the world would not need to come here and we could ethically say no.

    It’s possible to ethically say no even now. The rest of the world doesn’t “need” to come – they want to. Just as they want to go to European countries which, last time I checked, weren’t invading anywhere, toppling leaders, or dotting the world with military bases.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Lol. Check harder.

    Europeans have their hands dirty as much as America does. Syria and Iraq were only possible because of European involvement. And Europeans are all over the world militarily containing the Russia threat and on "peacekeeping" missions.

    And as far as ethically refusing immigrants, America can do whatever it wants to do. But it is hypocritical for America to wreck the rest of the world through Walstreet and the military and not expect people to follow the money and want to come here.
  63. @Boris
    No one wants a monarchy or a feudal guild system. You should live in a renaissance fair or something.

    It’s not hard to understand why the Fred Reed’s of the world scoff at WN when it’s nutters like this claiming to speak in its name.

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    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
    Listen you little slobbering bitch, I alone here have answered Fred's question in exactly the spirit he asked it; I alone have proffered rational solutions that work. What exactly was nutty about anything I've said?

    I would love to see you come talk your shit to my face, faggot.
  64. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @silviosilver

    If we did these things first, first I said, then the rest of the world would not need to come here and we could ethically say no.
     
    It's possible to ethically say no even now. The rest of the world doesn't "need" to come - they want to. Just as they want to go to European countries which, last time I checked, weren't invading anywhere, toppling leaders, or dotting the world with military bases.

    Lol. Check harder.

    Europeans have their hands dirty as much as America does. Syria and Iraq were only possible because of European involvement. And Europeans are all over the world militarily containing the Russia threat and on “peacekeeping” missions.

    And as far as ethically refusing immigrants, America can do whatever it wants to do. But it is hypocritical for America to wreck the rest of the world through Walstreet and the military and not expect people to follow the money and want to come here.

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  65. @silviosilver
    It's not hard to understand why the Fred Reed's of the world scoff at WN when it's nutters like this claiming to speak in its name.

    Listen you little slobbering bitch, I alone here have answered Fred’s question in exactly the spirit he asked it; I alone have proffered rational solutions that work. What exactly was nutty about anything I’ve said?

    I would love to see you come talk your shit to my face, faggot.

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    I would love to see you come talk your shit to my face, faggot.
     
    65 ass-chewing, naval grazing comments and someone FINALLY got it right. I'll give you guys a hint; throw out, oh, 60 of the 65 above, keep the angriest 5 and meld them with this attitude, and you MIGHT just get %10 of what you want.

    Of course, Reed and Derb's wives; first thing smokin'!
    , @Anonymous
    So your "rational solution" is to turn society into a giant Medieval Times restaurant? You're not a cable guy by any chance, are you?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdPu6sQ9l4g
    , @silviosilver

    I alone here have answered Fred’s question in exactly the spirit he asked it
     
    No, the question of practicality was foremost in Fred's mind. You instead proceeded to LARP right off the page with gems like "throne-and-altar-Constantinism" and "the border must be closed not only to immigration but also to travel and trade."

    What exactly was nutty about anything I’ve said?
     
    Evidently the aphorism "politics is the art of the possible" never made much impression on you.
    , @AndrewR
    Lmao jesus christ you are a thin skinned little bitch.
  66. @Anatoly Karlin
    Learning to live together while putting a crimper on further enrichment seems to be by far the most politically feasible and the most ethical solution across the developed world.

    Ultimately, La Raza Cosmica >> Eurabia, but nonetheless, "remove kebab" is not a slogan that almost anyone takes seriously outside Balkan flamewars and The Daily Stormer. In this respect, the US is an arguably much better situation than most of Western Europe.

    Two solutions:

    (1) Pro-natality campaigns that are deniably pro-White/pro-eugenic (e.g. Hungary, where you need to have a job/not be a criminal to qualify, which disqualifies most of the Gypsies);

    (2) Expanded research into radical life extension, which will cut down on the demographic problem from the mortality end. Both Hispanics and European Muslims have low mortality rates because their populations are youthful. Making everyone functionally "younger" in terms of survival schedules will make mortality rates converge. And Whites won't get flooded out of existence (as fast, anyway).

    You have to lose crap like (2). If you’re going to go full retard, after all, why not write “Expanded research into mind uploading, so we no longer have to pretend to care”.

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    Lol. I think Anatoly spends too much time on the internet.
  67. @Intelligent Dasein
    Listen you little slobbering bitch, I alone here have answered Fred's question in exactly the spirit he asked it; I alone have proffered rational solutions that work. What exactly was nutty about anything I've said?

    I would love to see you come talk your shit to my face, faggot.

    I would love to see you come talk your shit to my face, faggot.

    65 ass-chewing, naval grazing comments and someone FINALLY got it right. I’ll give you guys a hint; throw out, oh, 60 of the 65 above, keep the angriest 5 and meld them with this attitude, and you MIGHT just get %10 of what you want.

    Of course, Reed and Derb’s wives; first thing smokin’!

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    "65 ass-chewing, naval grazing comments" And one bitter & twisted half-wit who bothered reading the lot of them.
    "Of course, Reed and Derb’s wives; first thing smokin’!" And you'll be the last one smokin'
    You just made it to my commenters to ignore list. I'll leave you to your ass chewing & 'naval grazing' - whatever that is.
    Don't go away mad, Light, just go away.
  68. @silviosilver

    4. Push hard for Freedom of Association. Allows people to live and do business with whomever they choose. If I want to develop a “white-only” neighborhood, that should be allowed. And if that neighborhood pays taxes, it should be allowed to have public schools, which due to the demographics would be nearly 100% white. Hispanics and blacks can do the same. Naturally, whites don’t have to live in these white enclaves, but it would be a choice. (Note: This is my most far-fetched goal.)
     
    I don't think this is all that far-fetched. Unlike "race war"/mass-deportation objectives, this is a policy that large numbers of non-whites could get behind. If it were ever adopted by the mainstream, its purpose and justification would be to make separatism available to those who desire it - not to impose it on those who don't. Contrary to the claims of "anti-racist" demagogues, support for this policy doesn't require any hatred of other races whatsoever.

    But non-whites want to stay with whites, not because they like them but because they know they need the things that are paid for by whites. And if whites ever get away from blacks, the latter will have to pay for their own food, housing, policing, etc. with wealth generated in their own community. The reason whites are willing to pay for this now is that blacks can cause a lot of trouble for them if they don’t. But in a segregated system…if you get rid of the Dane, why keep paying the Danegeld?

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    But non-whites want to stay with whites, not because they like them but because they know they need the things that are paid for by whites.
     
    I am not at all sure that non-whites believe they need whites to ensure their own prosperity. Many of them are convinced that white prosperity is ill-gotten and nothing they couldn't have created themselves had whites not cheated them of the opportunity. They seem to widely share the opinion that "this country was nothing until my people came." I would say it's by and large only people familiar with HBD concepts who relate innate capacity for prosperity to racial constitution.
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    @Intelligent Dasein
    Listen you little slobbering bitch, I alone here have answered Fred's question in exactly the spirit he asked it; I alone have proffered rational solutions that work. What exactly was nutty about anything I've said?

    I would love to see you come talk your shit to my face, faggot.

    So your “rational solution” is to turn society into a giant Medieval Times restaurant? You’re not a cable guy by any chance, are you?

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  70. @Truth



    I would love to see you come talk your shit to my face, faggot.
     
    65 ass-chewing, naval grazing comments and someone FINALLY got it right. I'll give you guys a hint; throw out, oh, 60 of the 65 above, keep the angriest 5 and meld them with this attitude, and you MIGHT just get %10 of what you want.

    Of course, Reed and Derb's wives; first thing smokin'!

    “65 ass-chewing, naval grazing comments” And one bitter & twisted half-wit who bothered reading the lot of them.
    “Of course, Reed and Derb’s wives; first thing smokin’!” And you’ll be the last one smokin’
    You just made it to my commenters to ignore list. I’ll leave you to your ass chewing & ‘naval grazing’ – whatever that is.
    Don’t go away mad, Light, just go away.

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  71. The most important factor in peaceful coexistence is shared values. Racial difference do not NECESSARILY result in social discord. Members of different races who share the same cultural values can get along quite well. Look at Asians and Whites. Even the discord among Whites and Latinos do not stem primarily from “racial” differences, but from the fact that many have come here illegally (or should I say WE allowed them to come here illegally).

    Sometimes though shared values may not be sufficient for societal tranquility. This is the case when two easily identified groups of people have significantly different AVERAGE IQs, (greater than one standard deviation) as is the case for example between whites and blacks, or asians and blacks. Such a big difference in average IQ between easily identifiable groups of people pretty much guarantees that those two groups will not coexist peacefully.

    Similarly, two groups of people of the same race with diametrically opposed value systems cannot coexist peacefully either. Such is the case between the West and islamism, the West and Naziism, the West and Communism, etc.

    Therefore, for people to coexist peacefully two requirements must be met: 1. Fundamental cultural values that are shared by the vast segment of the population (80-90%) and 2. similar average abilities (especially intellectual) among groups that are easily identifiable.

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    I don't think Asians share white values. It's more that Asians don't care for the values of the host population as long as it doesn't interfere with our moneymaking.

    And in either case, it would still be better if Asians, whites, etc, lived in homogeneous ethnostates.
  72. @Intelligent Dasein
    Listen you little slobbering bitch, I alone here have answered Fred's question in exactly the spirit he asked it; I alone have proffered rational solutions that work. What exactly was nutty about anything I've said?

    I would love to see you come talk your shit to my face, faggot.

    I alone here have answered Fred’s question in exactly the spirit he asked it

    No, the question of practicality was foremost in Fred’s mind. You instead proceeded to LARP right off the page with gems like “throne-and-altar-Constantinism” and “the border must be closed not only to immigration but also to travel and trade.”

    What exactly was nutty about anything I’ve said?

    Evidently the aphorism “politics is the art of the possible” never made much impression on you.

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  73. @Diamed
    To be a true white nationalist, I believe you must also be a white supremacist and a white separatist. A white nationalist is someone who finds whites to be an objectively superior race, more appealing than any other, which is the basis for their desire for separation from the other races. If we are allowed to be ourselves and cultivate our unique race-souls, via both eugenics and education, we could create a better life for ourselves and our posterity, as well as a more beautiful creation that even God above would be impressed mere humans could rise to. Rather than a hellhole, society would be a work of art, wherein everyone belonging to said society could be proud to be a part of. White nationalists believe the key to utopia is virtues, abilities and values found exclusively in the white race-soul, and that we were well on our way to utopia while we still harkened to this race-soul as our muse, and all we need to do to get back to our utopian destiny is reset the journey where we left off from when we were forcibly derailed by the liberals in our midst.

    The solution in America is the same as in any other contentious region on Earth, partition the country into racially and ideologically pure blocs. Allow white nationalists whatever percentage of the country is fair and represents their percentage of the population. Then allow us to never deal with outsiders again. We don't have to 'solve' the latino problem or any other problem diversity brings. That's not our problem, that's the problem whites who insist on diversity create for themselves. Give us just Vermont and in a few generations we'd be the world's leading power, on the way towards ruling the entire galaxy. Our right to develop ourselves how we please is worth infinitely more than the geographical territory we'd be giving up.

    Separation is exactly what White Nationalists are increasingly trending to. As Richard Spencer pointed out, the US’s demographic cake is already baked and there is no amount of deportation, apartheid, segregation or closed borders that will put the US back where it was. I think most WNs at this point are looking for a breakup into territories so that White people can have their own new country. It may be a European nation or part of the US.
    If it would help ease the separation everyone can think of these new countries as sort of reservations or wild-life preserves for those exotic pale creatures. There, the colorful natives can live their picturesque lives making and selling the crafts that White people invented and are famous for. You know like, cars, airplanes, medical devices, drugs, spaceships, power plants, computers, etc. etc.
    The fly on the ointment is that there is no way non-Whites would let that happen without a desperate battle. They need all that White stuff and will fight tooth and nail to keep Whites on a leash. I forget which Black politician said that they would never let Whites get away. “If you all go to Mars, we’ll follow you”

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    I think most WNs at this point are looking for a breakup into territories so that White people can have their own new country. It may be a European nation or part of the US.
     
    The most thoughtful WNs are coalescing around the ethnostate solution. Although they're understandably vague about its whereabouts, it's understood that it will occupy something substantially less than the territory of the entire United States.

    Okay, great. The problem is this: not even WNs who have made the most eloquent case for separation - the late Wilmot Roberton's "The Ethnostate" is an underappreciated contribution - have the slightest clue of how it may realistically be brought about. When I've said to them, "Okay, you've convinced me. Now what's the next step?" I've only been met with blank stares. Little wonder then that stormfag larpers latch onto lurid "race war" scenarios out of which, Phoenix-like, a reinvigorated white America will emerge.

    Some might say Harold Covington is an exception, with his rather well thought out series of novels, but they presuppose a widespread agreement that the Northwest is to be the white homeland - much like Zionists were agreed that Palestine must be theirs. In reality, there is no such widespread agreement, not even the barest beginnings of one. (Just ask "neo-confederate" southerners what they think of the plan - and brace yourself for their answer.)

    Fundamentally, the problem with carving a white ethnostate out of America is that people - human beings everywhere, not just whites - are loath to give up a square inch of land that they are accustomed to considering wholly their own. The attachment people can have to relatively worthless bits of dirt has never ceased to amaze me. Imagine Texas had never stretched all the way to the Rio Grande. Few Texans today would consider it scandalous that it hadn't - no more than they can consider it scandalous that Texas never stretched all the way to Monterrey. But since Texas did stretch to the Rio Grande, now it's somehow "sacred" and it could not possibly be given up. The same logic hold true everywhere else.
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    One really doesn’t have to believe that a given ethnic group’s behavior is in the net negative in order to think that territorial partitioning is in one’s own (or even everybody’s) best interests.

    To put this in the most commonsense terms possible, I don’t have to believe that your family is full of scoundrels in order to think that the arrangement in which I live with my family in one house, and you live with your family in a different one, is in my (and your) best interests.

    I recommend an essay I wrote for Counter Currents entitled Ethnonationalism For Normies. There, I give a very brief discussion of a few points pertaining to behavioral genetics, the most relevant of which are:

    1. Identical twins who were separated at birth, upon rediscovering one another, almost invariably become tremendously close friends through discovery of significant shared similarities in how they approach, experience, and view the world.

    2. Friends are, on average, about as closely related to one another as would be fourth cousins.

    Facts like these can go a long way to empirically support the claim that communities will be defined by feelings of ‘kinship’ in proportion to the degree to which their members are . . . well, actually ‘kin.’

    And I really can advocate that just as much because I sincerely want you to have the experience of living in a home with your own family as because I want to live with my own, or don’t want you with mine. A Mexican-American friend of mine (no, seriously) perked up at one point when I said that, and expressed to me just how common it was for him to hear Mex-Americans who had never been to Mexico describe that tangible sensory feeling of ‘coming home’ upon their first visit. I can only imagine that ethnic Jews who visit Israel and ethnic Japanese who visit Japan must very frequently feel the same thing. I’d like Jews to have that, I’d like the Japanese to have that, I’d like Hispanic ethnic groups to have that, and I’d like whites to have that, too.

    You say much here about Hispanics – and Jews are a complicated case for white ethnonationalists, for many reasons (genetically higher IQs and less violent crime, but particularly prone to endorse ideologies containing obvious double standards against white interests like ‘ethnonationalism for Israel, wide open border multiculturalism for whites’ as well as contribute to the spread of these kinds of views in academic fields – Stephen J. Gould, Richard Lewontin, Tim Wise, the list goes on and on . . . ) – but I’d note that ethnonationalists do not see Asian-American behavior as being particularly ‘undesirable’, and yet still they favor relations with their own race and expect Asians to hold the same feeling (which they generally do), as they obviously don’t make Asians an exception to their overall argument.

    As for how we might go about it, here’s one idea about how a modern ethnostate might be humanely built:

    A tax. The tax goes into a voucher that will be repaid in full as soon as the taxpayer relocates to a place to a nation in which he belongs to the ethnic majority.

    I don’t hang myself on the expectation that that will be the solution, but I consider it more than a reasonable demonstration that such a solution can very well be nonviolent and achievable.

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    You make some very interesting points. The US is split into 50 states; why couldn't your proposed ethnic partitioning happen along those grounds with a push towards more control at the state level to control interstate commerce and migration?

    Case in point; there are Chinese who have lived here for generations upon generations (and actually helped build the US) and many more decades than some 'White' immigrants from certain Eastern European countries which came fairly recently. Another case in point; I don't know of very many African Americans that don't have a significant amount of other blood in them; Choctaw, Navajo, Creole, Scottish, etc.

    Peace.
  75. @Anonymous
    One really doesn't have to believe that a given ethnic group's behavior is in the net negative in order to think that territorial partitioning is in one's own (or even everybody's) best interests.

    To put this in the most commonsense terms possible, I don't have to believe that your family is full of scoundrels in order to think that the arrangement in which I live with my family in one house, and you live with your family in a different one, is in my (and your) best interests.

    I recommend an essay I wrote for Counter Currents entitled Ethnonationalism For Normies. There, I give a very brief discussion of a few points pertaining to behavioral genetics, the most relevant of which are:

    1. Identical twins who were separated at birth, upon rediscovering one another, almost invariably become tremendously close friends through discovery of significant shared similarities in how they approach, experience, and view the world.

    2. Friends are, on average, about as closely related to one another as would be fourth cousins.

    Facts like these can go a long way to empirically support the claim that communities will be defined by feelings of 'kinship' in proportion to the degree to which their members are . . . well, actually 'kin.'

    And I really can advocate that just as much because I sincerely want you to have the experience of living in a home with your own family as because I want to live with my own, or don't want you with mine. A Mexican-American friend of mine (no, seriously) perked up at one point when I said that, and expressed to me just how common it was for him to hear Mex-Americans who had never been to Mexico describe that tangible sensory feeling of 'coming home' upon their first visit. I can only imagine that ethnic Jews who visit Israel and ethnic Japanese who visit Japan must very frequently feel the same thing. I'd like Jews to have that, I'd like the Japanese to have that, I'd like Hispanic ethnic groups to have that, and I'd like whites to have that, too.

    You say much here about Hispanics - and Jews are a complicated case for white ethnonationalists, for many reasons (genetically higher IQs and less violent crime, but particularly prone to endorse ideologies containing obvious double standards against white interests like 'ethnonationalism for Israel, wide open border multiculturalism for whites' as well as contribute to the spread of these kinds of views in academic fields - Stephen J. Gould, Richard Lewontin, Tim Wise, the list goes on and on . . . ) - but I'd note that ethnonationalists do not see Asian-American behavior as being particularly 'undesirable', and yet still they favor relations with their own race and expect Asians to hold the same feeling (which they generally do), as they obviously don't make Asians an exception to their overall argument.

    As for how we might go about it, here's one idea about how a modern ethnostate might be humanely built:

    A tax. The tax goes into a voucher that will be repaid in full as soon as the taxpayer relocates to a place to a nation in which he belongs to the ethnic majority.

    I don't hang myself on the expectation that that will be the solution, but I consider it more than a reasonable demonstration that such a solution can very well be nonviolent and achievable.

    You make some very interesting points. The US is split into 50 states; why couldn’t your proposed ethnic partitioning happen along those grounds with a push towards more control at the state level to control interstate commerce and migration?

    Case in point; there are Chinese who have lived here for generations upon generations (and actually helped build the US) and many more decades than some ‘White’ immigrants from certain Eastern European countries which came fairly recently. Another case in point; I don’t know of very many African Americans that don’t have a significant amount of other blood in them; Choctaw, Navajo, Creole, Scottish, etc.

    Peace.

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    @5371
    You have to lose crap like (2). If you're going to go full retard, after all, why not write "Expanded research into mind uploading, so we no longer have to pretend to care".

    Lol. I think Anatoly spends too much time on the internet.

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  77. @Truth

    “White nationalists” as they call themselves would like to US to be close to one hundred percent white. So would I.
     
    Dude, your wife and step-daughter would have to swim accross the Rio Grande to see their in-laws.

    We need a no-lol button for you.

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  78. @Intelligent Dasein
    First of all, let me stipulate for argument's sake that I am indeed a White Nationalist; and pace Fred Reed, I have, in fact, thought about these problems from a practical standpoint for as long as I have been a White Nationalist.

    Let me also add that for me, White Nationalism is a means not an end. What I truly desire above all else is a Traditionalist society. I am in favor of monarchy, of Latin-rite Roman Catholicism, of throne-and-altar Constantinism, of trades regulated by a guild system, of Aristotle and St. Thomas, of women assuming their appropriate role as wives and mothers, of currency backed by tangible assets, of art that edifies, of higher learning reserved for the talented few, and of a whole host of other things that used to be common sense during the long, quiet centuries before social critiques and problem-politics collided with the age of the Mass Man. But before any of these things can come to pass, we must dispense with the menace of Globalism and its social-democratic or crony-capitalist running dogs. The only way to do that is to preserve in the nations of the West some remnant of the culture which once embodied the nobler virtues that came to the defense of king and Creed and country---some genuine aristocracy, some real metaphysical religion.

    Thus White Nationalism. It is only among Whites that you will find people capable of even connecting with anything I just described, and even most of them do not. You will find zero blacks who do. You may find a very few Latinos (such as Nicolas Gomez Davila), but they are not the ones who are emigrating to America. The Latinos coming to America are coming precisely to be Mass Men, to be useless canaille who eat the fruits of civilization like locusts, consuming and laying waste to all in their path. They certainly aren't coming to assist the few worthy Whites who remain to lift the standard of Traditionalism.

    The practical solutions begin with deporting every Latino we possibly can. For those who inevitably remain, they must be rigorously assimilated. I believe Latinos are assimilable, but the process has to begin when they are very young children. "Hispanic" culture as it exists in the United States produces nothing but ignorant, entitled, lying, lazy scumfucks. Their men are weasely blowhards and their women are disgusting hos. They lie and steal as a matter of course. This whole warren of vice must be destroyed, and it has to begin by eradicating Spanish as a spoken language in American territory. English immersion must become mandatory. Secondly, the dole must be made totally unavailable to these people. No more welfare of any kind. Thirdly, the border must be closed not only to immigration but also to travel and trade. Being American means you stay here, you think of this as your home, and you forsake all other nations and persons. If you left family back in Mexico, too bad---you left them. Fourthly, they and their descendants will forever be denied the right of citizenship and will never be allowed to vote in American elections. They may set up self-governing councils and elect their own tribunes to govern them in internal matters, but their value as a democratic weapon of the Left will be nil. There may also be restrictions as to what sort of trades they may practice and even where they will live.

    In short, we need some sort of apartheid to adequately deal with our Mexican subclass. This is not harsh; it is a more than fair solution to the problem of a criminal people born for servility. They brought this upon themselves by coming here illegally and by being the wicked liars they are. They are entitled to nothing else, and if they do not like it they can return to Mexico.

    I think you would find more supporters for your Traditionalism among Latinos than among Anglo Saxons.

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    "I think you would find more supporters for your Traditionalism among Latinos than among Anglo Saxons."

    That must be why so many of them support abortion.
  79. Define “white” properly, Mr. Reed.

    Italians, Spaniard, Greeks, Irish, etc, might be European but they failed to pass the “white” test once and some would argue still do so.

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    Nonsense, according to the US Census Bureau.
    , @silviosilver
    There's no question this is a serious stumbling block - quite possibly fatal - to the racial unity required if any WN initiative is to ever succeed.

    Seldom do WNs ever sound like a bigger pack of larped out loons than when attempting formulate answers to the Perennial Question: "Who is white?"

    Now, for general purposes, I don't think you can do better than "If you have to think about it, you're not." That formulation probably captures 95% of people who'd ever want to have anything to do with WN.

    WN ambitions go well beyond "general purposes," however, and it's here that the devil is really in the details.

    WN schemes for determining racial belonging are uniformly ignorant of the "problem of the margins." Their schemes are focused entirely on determining where the line should be drawn. None of them considers the main problem common to all such schemes: the treatment of, or the effects on, people just inside the line or just outside of it.

    These problem is this: if you're in, you're wholly in; if you're out, you're wholly out. People lying just outside the line - often people who very similar schemes would include comfortably inside their line - are treated as lying entirely outside of it, to be subject to same treatment as people who were never even in contention. That is, some greasy southern European is to be regarded as lying just as completely outside the circle of racial inclusion as some negroid that nobody ever thought to include. The nuances by which most people form racial judgements in their daily lives are nowhere in evidence in these binary distinctions by which WNs attempt to delineate belonging.

    My point here isn't to whine and advance my own arguments about the inclusion of southern Europeans (or anybody else). I want only to point out the insecurities that such schemes induce, and which makes them tremendously undesirable and unworkable. I contend that nobody wants to merely "scrape in." Nobody is going to sacrifice life and limb to secure the interests of a group to which he may or may not belong. Such is not the stuff of which revolutions are made.

    On the other side of the coin, there are good number of WASPs and other generic northern Europeans who feel incensed that people they consider their racial brethren - or at least racial next of kin - are subjected to such contempt. Whether this attitude arises from genuine affection or merely a desperation to secure racial allies is unimportant. It's a factor, and it is ensures that the Perennial Question is never satisfactorily answered.

    Some WN intellectuals are keenly aware of the thorny nature of the problem and therefore consider it more prudent to sidestep it than confront it head-on. There is something to be said for this approach, as it allows for a good deal more organization in the short-run. Unfortunately, it only kicks the can down the road, and in any case is fundamentally dishonest.

    Consider Greg Johnon's - a contemporary WN luminary if anyone is - magnanimous allowance that "Armenians are okay" - their participation is fine if they're idealistic enough to put up with the inevitable bullshit. Well, that's great. But what is the real world effect?

    Say Joe the Wop hears this and thinks to himself, "Well if Armenians are okay, then surely I'm a White Man in good standing!" So he goes off to some local racialist meeting to discuss how "we're" going to fight back. Only upon arriving there he encounters some white trash nutzi who, evidently knowing nothing of Greg Johnson's pronouncement, proceeds to, first, look at him funny and, second, dismissively ask what the hell he's doing there. What'll Joe do? Suck it up and stick around or curse the whole damn enterprise? Not hard to guess, is it.

    See the dishonesty there? It's not that Greg Johnson is lying. There's every likelihood he means exactly what he says. It's just that he has no way of enforcing his views on anyone, not even his own minions, and certainly not on people who've never heard of him. It's therefore misleading to present himself as having any sort of authority to pronounce on these matters.

    Posts like this always seem incomplete unless the author provides his own, supposedly superior, suggestion as to what might be done. Just like if someone claims Babe Ruth was the greatest ever baseball player, it's unseemly for me to simply answer "No he wasn't!" without proposing my own candidate for the title. Alas, that is exactly what I'm going to do.
    , @Alden
    The Irish are the bluest eyes people in the world, far more than British or Nordic
    And Poles, Czechs Croats Serbians etc are much blinder than the British and Scandinavians.

    That Irish are not White comes from a book written by a Jew. I forget his name. The book's title is "How the Irish Becane White."

    The book is part of the race is a social construct and gender is not natural but assigned by Drs at birth anti White propaganda.

    No wonder Whites are being destroyed
  80. @silviosilver
    Racial separatism needn't imply giving any part of America to Mexico or any other country. And you are certainly not going to be giving Mexicans back to Mexico or deporting any population wholesale.

    The sooner this reality sinks into WNs' abominably thick skulls the better. No matter how much they howl in rage, they have to understand that they will never ever be in a position to dictate such terms to anybody. End of.

    Had you read the comment I was responding to, you’d have noticed that Dr Krieger (33) wrote that we should give much of the Southwest to Mexico and that all Whites should be expelled from these regions. Now let that reality sink into your abominably thick skull.

    And nothing is off the table. As you wrote (51), Whites are on the fast track to racial extinction. Why do you then think that wholesale deportation is delusional? And why are WN, people whose cause you say is just, complete scum?

    Overt WN at present are the cutting edge of social reform. White survival is a just cause, and in not too many years we will be the mainstream. Not even progressives like to live near Mexicans or Blacks, and the Chinese and Hindus don’t like to live with Whites. WN is what Whites really want, whether they will admit it or not. It’s not we racist internet howlers that will be in a position to dictate terms, it will be the ordinary middle and working classes that have adopted our views that will.

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    Whites are on the fast track to racial extinction. Why do you then think that wholesale deportation is delusional? And why are WN, people whose cause you say is just, complete scum?
     
    White extinction will occur not simply because non-whites have moved into white territory, but because whites have proceeded to form intimate relationships with them. Not only are friendships and business relations established, the ultimate result is racial intermixture, a process which subtracts what would have been a white child and replaces it with a non-white.

    Why do I mention this? Because racial intermixture doesn't occur in isolation. It's not just one white woman and her individual choice, and which can therefore be disregarded as the wanton act of a "coalburner." Parents, siblings, cousins, friends are all affected by it. Every instance of mixing must inure a good four or five whites at least against the brutality of preferred WN solutions to racial problems. Therefore it simply doesn't matter that what you propose may be technically feasible or that it can be expected to solve the problem; in the minds of all too many whites, it's simply a moral no-go.

    Fifty years ago this wouldn't have mattered much. Back then there were far fewer whites so inured. We are fast approaching a time in which most whites will be thus inured. What is the point then of urging upon people proposals that don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever becoming acceptable?

    As for WNs being scum, their commentaries on and attitudes towards racial issues speak for themselves. I don't mean the articulate intellectuals, I mean their rebarbative followers who pollute comments threads (and only succeed in shooting themselves in the foot). No more need be said.
  81. @Anonymous
    Too late.

    If whites wanted a pure country, whites should not have brought slaves to America. Whites should not have gone to other countries and wrecked them through military and economic warfare. Whites should have gotten control of their 1% and made sure they did not flood their country with 3rd world labor.

    But we all know whites did not do these things and at the end of the day you reap what you sow. Whites in America trying to keep minorities to 15% is impossible without a civil war and breakup of America. So you can have your white America, but only in a Balkanized country. Any other talk is pure fantasy.

    Our ruling classes brought slaves, made war on the Middle East, and imported foreign labor. We can fix that.

    We already have a Balkanized country. Civil war can fix that. Remember the Soviet Union? Remember Yugoslavia?

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  82. > “White nationalists” as they call themselves would like to US to be close to one hundred percent white.

    well, Sweden was; Germany was. Did it prevent their _naqba_’ot?

    > Whites should not have gone to other countries and wrecked them through military and economic warfare

    well, that _is_ what the Arabs did everyplace they could – , and we don’t see Paki or Bangladeshi youth gangs in Kuwait City, do we?

    > My interactions with white nationalists tell me that white nationalism is not so much a political movement as it is a bunch of people venting and raging on the internet.

    your ONLY interactins with White Nationalists have been on the internet….. you know what a zionist answers? To wit: it wasn’t the “zionist committees” in Baltimore or New York that re-built Zion in our time. It was plumbers and dirt-farmers in Rishon le-Tzion in 1889, forcing themselves to speak Hebrew, so that their kids would grow up speaking Hebrew.

    > Their nationalism lacks any doctrine, strategy, or supporting ideology.

    oh, they have all of that. And NONE of that can build a country. Only plumbers can build a country.

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    If only plumbers can build a country, then every country will be Polish.
    , @Jason Liu
    Are you equating Zionists with white nationalists?
  83. @Anonymous
    But, white people are practitioners of the dark arts. Keep trying to ignore that America uses its military, its banks, and its CIA to overthrow and control countries.

    Remember, Mexico has a higher IQ than Ireland. If we did not bring the drug war into Mexico and we quit interfering with their country, Mexico would not have near as much violence as it has today.

    And by the way, Whites becoming as ethnocentric as blacks will never happen but not for the reasons you think. No one is stopping white people from being ethnocentric. Whites will never go for this, because whites are focusing on ruling the entire world with elite whites at the top. To have the white race become ethnocentric will mean the elite whites will not be able to control the other races.

    Mexicans were much more violent than Whites long before the drug wars. Even back in the 1950s, their murder rate was five times that of Whites.

    Whites, despite your claim, are not focused on ruling the entire world. I don’t know a single White person who wants that. So, we’ll have no problem becoming as racist as we need to be.

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  84. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Fred,

    I consider myself a White nationalist and have lightly pondered your questions. I enjoy Sailer and all the rest, but at some point, it's hard to not ask the big question: What's next?

    To be honest, I think that the odds of anything other than a slow (maybe even rapid) decline for the country seem extraordinarily low. Some form of Brazil of the North seems to be our future, though predicting the future is a fool's game. However, from a practical, i.e. though a long shot is at least feasible, standpoint, here's what I'd like to see and what it would produce:

    1. Bring illegal immigration to zero. Bring legal immigration to a near standstill. What little (we're talking 0.1% of the population here) immigration is allowed would be based on the current demographic percentages (Europeans ~60%, Hispanics ~20%, etc.) and favor highly skilled immigrants.

    2. The acknowledgement of European Americans as a group, which would allow whites to show ethnic/racial pride without fear of retribution.

    3. Creating think tanks and lobby groups for European Americans. Pressure wealthy whites to protect their own when they are attacked. For instance, a white think tank would have hired Jason Richwine when he was attacked for his paper. A businessman fired because he refused to promote unqualified blacks would be hired by another corporation sympathetic to his views.

    4. Push hard for Freedom of Association. Allows people to live and do business with whomever they choose. If I want to develop a "white-only" neighborhood, that should be allowed. And if that neighborhood pays taxes, it should be allowed to have public schools, which due to the demographics would be nearly 100% white. Hispanics and blacks can do the same. Naturally, whites don't have to live in these white enclaves, but it would be a choice. (Note: This is my most far-fetched goal.)

    I think that this would satisfy most White nationalists and could save the country from splintering. Over time, I suspect that Hispanics would be drawn to the lifestyle created by whites and would move in that direction, though due to cultural and genetic reasons likely wouldn't reach the same level as a group though I'm sure that many Hispanic neighborhoods would be quite nice.

    I also think that you'd have quite a bit of intermarriage among whites and Hispanics and whites and Asians, but the core white population would remain intact. So, yes, much mixing, but mostly groups living among their own and respecting each other's right to exist separately.

    Could this work? I think so. Will it happen? No chance.

    “4. Push hard for Freedom of Association. Allows people to live and do business with whomever they choose. If I want to develop a “white-only” neighborhood, that should be allowed.”

    It is allowed, there is nothing stopping you from creating a “white-only” neighborhood; that is, until someone who is not white wants to live there. You see, our democracy is simple in its genius; any American can live Anywhere he wants.

    What gives you domain over a piece of property that someone else doesn’t have?

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  85. @Anatoly Karlin
    Which "white nationalists" do you speak of?

    Most of this article is just knocking down strawmen.

    Fred Reed has this bad habit of never actually quoting or linking to anybody he’s supposed to be arguing with.

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  86. @Karl
    > “White nationalists” as they call themselves would like to US to be close to one hundred percent white.

    well, Sweden was; Germany was. Did it prevent their _naqba_'ot?


    > Whites should not have gone to other countries and wrecked them through military and economic warfare

    well, that _is_ what the Arabs did everyplace they could - , and we don't see Paki or Bangladeshi youth gangs in Kuwait City, do we?


    > My interactions with white nationalists tell me that white nationalism is not so much a political movement as it is a bunch of people venting and raging on the internet.

    your ONLY interactins with White Nationalists have been on the internet..... you know what a zionist answers? To wit: it wasn't the "zionist committees" in Baltimore or New York that re-built Zion in our time. It was plumbers and dirt-farmers in Rishon le-Tzion in 1889, forcing themselves to speak Hebrew, so that their kids would grow up speaking Hebrew.


    > Their nationalism lacks any doctrine, strategy, or supporting ideology.

    oh, they have all of that. And NONE of that can build a country. Only plumbers can build a country.

    If only plumbers can build a country, then every country will be Polish.

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  87. @Berta Arnason
    Define "white" properly, Mr. Reed.

    Italians, Spaniard, Greeks, Irish, etc, might be European but they failed to pass the "white" test once and some would argue still do so.

    Nonsense, according to the US Census Bureau.

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    Meaning, what? And, particularly, in what way is the "US Census Bureau" a legitimate authority on race in any manner whatsoever? Do please elaborate.
  88. @Fred Reed
    The question in the column was: What to do about legal Latinos? You can't deport American citizens, and they are not going to self-deport. Listing their defects, rel or imagined, is not a policy.

    Anatoly Karlin asks, What white nationalists, implying that they are few. We could start with the many commenters on the Unz Review who want deportation, most of Trump's supporters, sites like amren.com and vdare.com and their readers, professional intellectuals like John Derbyshire and Ann Coulter and all their many followers--her anti-minority books are best sellers, I believe.

    Neither Coulter nor The Derb is a “white nationalist.”

    Would it just kill you, Fred, to characterize other people’s positions accurately? Possibly even to quote them, or to link to them?

    This is elementary netiquette.

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  89. @Clyde
    We need a no-lol button for you.

    Where was the joke?

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    "Truth" - are you, in fact, the same guy as "Light?"
    , @Clyde
    Pay me $25 and I’ll push my lol button for you. If you can get enough others doing the same you might get mistaken for being a comedian.
  90. @Truth
    Where was the joke?

    “Truth” – are you, in fact, the same guy as “Light?”

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    Yep, I've got to remember to reset all my computers from the Prince homage.
  91. I’m in favor of the bar fight. The alternative is a strange third world amalgamation of something that will resemble Brazil. It would be worth dying to try to prevent that.

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  92. @vinteuil
    Neither Coulter nor The Derb is a "white nationalist."

    Would it just kill you, Fred, to characterize other people's positions accurately? Possibly even to quote them, or to link to them?

    This is elementary netiquette.

    Too much effort

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  93. I am a Fan of Fred and agree with many of his assertions and excellent columns. Not here. Fred sets up a couple of strawmen then proceeds to build a Swiss cheese farce of a fantasy upon them.

    1) Illegals aren’t going home.
    Nonsense. They will go home if we enforce the law. 90 days to leave the country. After that, at least one year in the hoosegow if apprehended. Fine employers of illegals $50K/illegal. 90% of them would be gone by the end of 2016. Nothing to it. Whether they want to go home or not really is not up to them.

    2) Us “white nationalists” are seething, loathsome racists looking for “a bar fight.” Oh the drama, you can almost see the jackbooted thugs and Nazi armbands! Geez Fred, you make the invasion of 40 million illegals sound like manna from heaven.
    We should not care if our country is overrun with millions of illegals who undercut job opportunities for our own blue-collar workers. We should not care if we are increasingly subjected to worsening traffic b/c our infrastructure is overwhelmed. It should not matter that we feel increasingly like strangers in our home country. We should not care about overwhelming of our health care systems for which we are getting strip mined. No. We are racists who hate Latinos. It is our obligation to accept the invasion because Fred sez so. I say BS.

    Our country is overcrowded and we don’t need any more people–white, black, yellow, brown, green, or magenta, “legal” or “illegal” or diversity lottery winners. Unemployment is at least 20% and much higher for some cohorts. We will work to integrate existing legal immigrants into our communities to the extent possible, as we always have. But the illegals have to go home. There is to be no reward for illegally immigrating here and illegals need to be prosecuted according to US laws that affect us all (except for the Clintons and the democrat party, of course).

    In addition to our unemployment problems, every day our businesses are more automated and mechanized and we have no need for any more people. A smaller population would have many benefits, and the notion that declining population or a dip in birth rates is the slippery slope to Armageddon is a whopper of a lie promoted by the media and the purveyors of baby food, diapers, and toilet paper.

    Immigration is an outdated concept and it is time to end it. If people want to immigrate, have some other countries take up the slack — Saudi Arabia, China, Brazil, Russia. Let them step up and do their part. FAT CHANCE. They are not that stupid.

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  94. @Anonymous
    But, white people are practitioners of the dark arts. Keep trying to ignore that America uses its military, its banks, and its CIA to overthrow and control countries.

    Remember, Mexico has a higher IQ than Ireland. If we did not bring the drug war into Mexico and we quit interfering with their country, Mexico would not have near as much violence as it has today.

    And by the way, Whites becoming as ethnocentric as blacks will never happen but not for the reasons you think. No one is stopping white people from being ethnocentric. Whites will never go for this, because whites are focusing on ruling the entire world with elite whites at the top. To have the white race become ethnocentric will mean the elite whites will not be able to control the other races.

    Remember, Mexico has a higher IQ than Ireland.

    Source please. I’m skeptical of all these national IQ studies, but Lynn and Vanhanen pegged Mexico at 87 and Ireland at 93.

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  95. @Aquila
    The most important factor in peaceful coexistence is shared values. Racial difference do not NECESSARILY result in social discord. Members of different races who share the same cultural values can get along quite well. Look at Asians and Whites. Even the discord among Whites and Latinos do not stem primarily from "racial" differences, but from the fact that many have come here illegally (or should I say WE allowed them to come here illegally).

    Sometimes though shared values may not be sufficient for societal tranquility. This is the case when two easily identified groups of people have significantly different AVERAGE IQs, (greater than one standard deviation) as is the case for example between whites and blacks, or asians and blacks. Such a big difference in average IQ between easily identifiable groups of people pretty much guarantees that those two groups will not coexist peacefully.

    Similarly, two groups of people of the same race with diametrically opposed value systems cannot coexist peacefully either. Such is the case between the West and islamism, the West and Naziism, the West and Communism, etc.

    Therefore, for people to coexist peacefully two requirements must be met: 1. Fundamental cultural values that are shared by the vast segment of the population (80-90%) and 2. similar average abilities (especially intellectual) among groups that are easily identifiable.

    I don’t think Asians share white values. It’s more that Asians don’t care for the values of the host population as long as it doesn’t interfere with our moneymaking.

    And in either case, it would still be better if Asians, whites, etc, lived in homogeneous ethnostates.

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    It's not "white values" it's "American values". Values are not determined by race.

    And the most fundamental American value is the freedom to pursue your happiness, including getting rich. That's why there is no discernible discord between asians and whites in America.

    As to whether it would be better if Asians, Whites, Blacks etc lived in their own homogeneous states, I won't argue with that, in fact it would remove one of the sources of friction that results from unequal average IQs among easily identifiable different groups living together.

    Still I feel the most important criteria for harmony within a country is shared fundamental values. An example of this trumping racial homogeneity is China during most of the 20th century. There was a bloody civil war when Mao took over and then brutal repression for decades - all within a racially homogeneous country, but with different cultural values - communism vs capitalism. Same happened in Russia.

    Whereas the US, with people from all over the world has been relatively peaceful internally since the civil war. The exception has been the discord with the blacks, and that, I'm convinced, is due to the significant difference in AVERAGE IQs.

    The US too, though, is starting to lose its dominant freedom culture. The left has made huge inroads the past 50 years or so, and it has pretty much taken over all the key institutions. That's why you see such a big political divide here today. The left and right haven't come to blows yet, but it may very well happen if the left consolidates its power and starts to brutally repress its opposition, which is already happening in colleges and the corporate world.

    Or, if Trump gets elected, we may see a resurgent of traditional American values, and the pendulum will swing the other way.

    We'll see.
  96. @Karl
    > “White nationalists” as they call themselves would like to US to be close to one hundred percent white.

    well, Sweden was; Germany was. Did it prevent their _naqba_'ot?


    > Whites should not have gone to other countries and wrecked them through military and economic warfare

    well, that _is_ what the Arabs did everyplace they could - , and we don't see Paki or Bangladeshi youth gangs in Kuwait City, do we?


    > My interactions with white nationalists tell me that white nationalism is not so much a political movement as it is a bunch of people venting and raging on the internet.

    your ONLY interactins with White Nationalists have been on the internet..... you know what a zionist answers? To wit: it wasn't the "zionist committees" in Baltimore or New York that re-built Zion in our time. It was plumbers and dirt-farmers in Rishon le-Tzion in 1889, forcing themselves to speak Hebrew, so that their kids would grow up speaking Hebrew.


    > Their nationalism lacks any doctrine, strategy, or supporting ideology.

    oh, they have all of that. And NONE of that can build a country. Only plumbers can build a country.

    Are you equating Zionists with white nationalists?

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    You don't see the parallels?
    , @Karl
    > Are you equating Zionists with white nationalists?

    if the shoe fits - wear it
  97. @Alfa158
    Separation is exactly what White Nationalists are increasingly trending to. As Richard Spencer pointed out, the US's demographic cake is already baked and there is no amount of deportation, apartheid, segregation or closed borders that will put the US back where it was. I think most WNs at this point are looking for a breakup into territories so that White people can have their own new country. It may be a European nation or part of the US.
    If it would help ease the separation everyone can think of these new countries as sort of reservations or wild-life preserves for those exotic pale creatures. There, the colorful natives can live their picturesque lives making and selling the crafts that White people invented and are famous for. You know like, cars, airplanes, medical devices, drugs, spaceships, power plants, computers, etc. etc.
    The fly on the ointment is that there is no way non-Whites would let that happen without a desperate battle. They need all that White stuff and will fight tooth and nail to keep Whites on a leash. I forget which Black politician said that they would never let Whites get away. "If you all go to Mars, we'll follow you"

    I think most WNs at this point are looking for a breakup into territories so that White people can have their own new country. It may be a European nation or part of the US.

    The most thoughtful WNs are coalescing around the ethnostate solution. Although they’re understandably vague about its whereabouts, it’s understood that it will occupy something substantially less than the territory of the entire United States.

    Okay, great. The problem is this: not even WNs who have made the most eloquent case for separation – the late Wilmot Roberton’s “The Ethnostate” is an underappreciated contribution – have the slightest clue of how it may realistically be brought about. When I’ve said to them, “Okay, you’ve convinced me. Now what’s the next step?” I’ve only been met with blank stares. Little wonder then that stormfag larpers latch onto lurid “race war” scenarios out of which, Phoenix-like, a reinvigorated white America will emerge.

    Some might say Harold Covington is an exception, with his rather well thought out series of novels, but they presuppose a widespread agreement that the Northwest is to be the white homeland – much like Zionists were agreed that Palestine must be theirs. In reality, there is no such widespread agreement, not even the barest beginnings of one. (Just ask “neo-confederate” southerners what they think of the plan – and brace yourself for their answer.)

    Fundamentally, the problem with carving a white ethnostate out of America is that people – human beings everywhere, not just whites – are loath to give up a square inch of land that they are accustomed to considering wholly their own. The attachment people can have to relatively worthless bits of dirt has never ceased to amaze me. Imagine Texas had never stretched all the way to the Rio Grande. Few Texans today would consider it scandalous that it hadn’t – no more than they can consider it scandalous that Texas never stretched all the way to Monterrey. But since Texas did stretch to the Rio Grande, now it’s somehow “sacred” and it could not possibly be given up. The same logic hold true everywhere else.

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  98. To answer Fred’s question directly “what to with the legal ones?”
    Hire them to cook up some ethnic food. Then crack a beer open, and not shed a tear for the white race, but loathe the existence of the entire human race – they will all undo themselves in the bitter end.

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  99. @Jason Liu
    Are you equating Zionists with white nationalists?

    You don’t see the parallels?

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    > You don’t see the parallels?

    with enough astigmatism, parrallel lines might not be seen as such. But you & I can see.

    Seeing that we do, consider another facet: The early adaptors can grab the reins of the schneur machinery. History shows that for every zionist who showed up in Zion prior to 1939 (when the colonial Brits shut down immigration of Hebrew people).... There were a hundred who didn't.

    If 15 out of those hundred will make donations, it can become a moderately successful cash cow.

    If it takes a zionist to open up the White AIPAC, i'll do it for you. Crying all the way to the bank, i'm sure. i'm satisfied with a 10% commission.

    The REAL question of course, is - if your 90% comes out to be $100,000 - who exactly do I give it to? i'd even NOT rule out Stormfront.... ==if== I saw that they were actually ==doing something== more than burning up bandwidth.
  100. tens of millions of Latinos are in the country, and are going to stay, it might be wise to seek…assimilation

    Societies like the USA tend to end up with an ethnocultural “core” and a “periphery”. This is about identity, and not necessarily about political power, or economic power.

    Trying to pin down strict definitions is not helpful here; we all know it to be true by lived experience and sense of self-identity; “What About…” sophistry just muddles things up. Of course, descendants of peripheral populations can and do enter the core, yet the “core American” population has remained remarkably stable over four centuries. It is anchored, ancestrally, by Northwest-Europe, but not exclusive thereto. That’s just the way it is. There is a trace amount of Amerindian ancestry, almost negligible taken on the whole.

    What Fred Reed seems to here propose is a future core-USA population with much more substantial Amerindian blood.

    Just imagine a U.S. “core” population (not total population) that is 40% Amerindian…. Really?

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    Just imagine a U.S. “core” population (not total population) that is 40% Amerindian…. Really?

    And the biggest irony of all is, that 40% Amerind would have been contributed NOT by the *actual* Amerinds who lived in U.S. when we settlers came to U.S. from Europe, for instance, the Sioux Indians and Cherokees and Apaches. No. Those guys got their populations knocked virtually completely out.

    It would be admixture with Amerinds who were NOT here when we came but were in Central America and Mexico, for instance, Aztecs --
    --who are the eternal sworn enemies of the Amerinds actually here, the Apaches.

    And those Aztec mixed descendants (proclamation by bullhorn notwithstanding) won't be doing the Apaches any favors when they wrest control from the White man. Just the opposite. The old animosities will resurface and the few Apache still around on reservations will probably find themselves starved to death.

    So, the only Indians who truly *were* here first (ex.: the Apaches) who still exist get it in the arse AGAIN. This time because the conquerors to whom they surrendered (the European settlers) will have given them over to their Amerind enemies.
    How come no Whites, with all their mental masturbations about how guilty we are that we "stole U.S. from the Indians," nobody bothers to feel any guilt about *that*?!!!
  101. @Anonymous
    Greg Johnson explains:

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2014/06/the-slow-cleanse/

    They can go home gradually, the same way they came in.

    Great comment. All the crypto anti YT partizans bring up the utter impossibility of returning to an all white country but simply to make the US less welcoming would be a start enough.
    The US was never 100% white but it was the 1790 Naturalization Act that stated they wanted ‘free white persons of good character’ to constitute the immigrant class.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

    But let’s forget about that, the main point would be to repeal EMTALA that provides free medical care and then overturn Plyler v. Doe that provides free secondary education.
    Do that and you would de-incentivise a considerable part of immigration and a lot of people would self deport.
    Right now we have a quarter of Mexico’s population, de-incentivise living in the US and a huge proportion would return.
    “Before 1920, about 30 percent of all immigrants to the United States later returned to their native country.”

    http://www.yale.edu/ynhti/curriculum/units/1999/3/99.03.01.x.html

    No government programs to take advantage of.
    A little bit of de-incentivization goes a long way to make the country a whiter shade of pale.

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  102. @Fred Reed
    The question in the column was: What to do about legal Latinos? You can't deport American citizens, and they are not going to self-deport. Listing their defects, rel or imagined, is not a policy.

    Anatoly Karlin asks, What white nationalists, implying that they are few. We could start with the many commenters on the Unz Review who want deportation, most of Trump's supporters, sites like amren.com and vdare.com and their readers, professional intellectuals like John Derbyshire and Ann Coulter and all their many followers--her anti-minority books are best sellers, I believe.

    What to do about legal Latinos?

    Voluntary Repatriation (foreign-born) or Voluntary Depatriation (U.S.-born).

    Yes, an actual American nationalist government, in power, would obviously encourage recent immigrant stock to leave. This is not a profound mystery or a violent fantasy. It is simple. It can be done humanely, fairly, even generously.

    The method is: One-time payouts for those willing to go home.

    Example:

    A U.S. Hispanic born in 1985 to parents who came to the USA in 1980 from El Salvador, who speaks good Spanish but is very Americanized, and who holds menial jobs. An American nationalist government might offer this person $40,000 in a lump sum (El Salvador’s per capita GDP x 5), plus additional one-time payouts for dependents, to depatriate and return to El Salvador, renouncing U.S. citizenship. With this cash in hand, plus selling off whatever other assets held in the USA, this person could start a great life in El Salvador. It’s really a Win-Win, from an American nationalist perspective, and from this hypothetical individual Hispanic’s perspective (he’d live well among his own kind rather than live in the USA, a society not his own). The new Salvadorean citizen could still visit the USA, pursuant to visa policy between our countries.

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  103. @Discard
    Had you read the comment I was responding to, you'd have noticed that Dr Krieger (33) wrote that we should give much of the Southwest to Mexico and that all Whites should be expelled from these regions. Now let that reality sink into your abominably thick skull.

    And nothing is off the table. As you wrote (51), Whites are on the fast track to racial extinction. Why do you then think that wholesale deportation is delusional? And why are WN, people whose cause you say is just, complete scum?

    Overt WN at present are the cutting edge of social reform. White survival is a just cause, and in not too many years we will be the mainstream. Not even progressives like to live near Mexicans or Blacks, and the Chinese and Hindus don't like to live with Whites. WN is what Whites really want, whether they will admit it or not. It's not we racist internet howlers that will be in a position to dictate terms, it will be the ordinary middle and working classes that have adopted our views that will.

    Whites are on the fast track to racial extinction. Why do you then think that wholesale deportation is delusional? And why are WN, people whose cause you say is just, complete scum?

    White extinction will occur not simply because non-whites have moved into white territory, but because whites have proceeded to form intimate relationships with them. Not only are friendships and business relations established, the ultimate result is racial intermixture, a process which subtracts what would have been a white child and replaces it with a non-white.

    Why do I mention this? Because racial intermixture doesn’t occur in isolation. It’s not just one white woman and her individual choice, and which can therefore be disregarded as the wanton act of a “coalburner.” Parents, siblings, cousins, friends are all affected by it. Every instance of mixing must inure a good four or five whites at least against the brutality of preferred WN solutions to racial problems. Therefore it simply doesn’t matter that what you propose may be technically feasible or that it can be expected to solve the problem; in the minds of all too many whites, it’s simply a moral no-go.

    Fifty years ago this wouldn’t have mattered much. Back then there were far fewer whites so inured. We are fast approaching a time in which most whites will be thus inured. What is the point then of urging upon people proposals that don’t stand a snowball’s chance in hell of ever becoming acceptable?

    As for WNs being scum, their commentaries on and attitudes towards racial issues speak for themselves. I don’t mean the articulate intellectuals, I mean their rebarbative followers who pollute comments threads (and only succeed in shooting themselves in the foot). No more need be said.

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    and only succeed in shooting themselves in the foot). No more need be said.

    If these people are only shooting themselves in the foot, then why do you feel the need to denigrate and dismiss them in the minds of other people by calling them names (scum)?
    , @Discard
    White people who may not want their Mexican son-in-law deported still do not want their local schools flooded with with his countrymen. White people want the foreigners gone, except for the Good Ones. So let the Good Ones stay.
    The smarter Mestizos can and do marry up, into White families, be they American White or Mexican White. They are not the problem. I grew up with Mexicans who acted pretty much like us. Same neighborhoods, same sorts of jobs, same sorts of problems. They were assimilated.

    Furthermore, many Whites are not happy with the families of their new in-laws. They may like the high achiever their child married, but not his many cholo cousins. They will have no reason to oppose deportation of illegals, lawbreakers, and a progressively widening circle of undesirables.

    The boiling frog simile works both ways.
  104. @Rob McX
    But non-whites want to stay with whites, not because they like them but because they know they need the things that are paid for by whites. And if whites ever get away from blacks, the latter will have to pay for their own food, housing, policing, etc. with wealth generated in their own community. The reason whites are willing to pay for this now is that blacks can cause a lot of trouble for them if they don't. But in a segregated system...if you get rid of the Dane, why keep paying the Danegeld?

    But non-whites want to stay with whites, not because they like them but because they know they need the things that are paid for by whites.

    I am not at all sure that non-whites believe they need whites to ensure their own prosperity. Many of them are convinced that white prosperity is ill-gotten and nothing they couldn’t have created themselves had whites not cheated them of the opportunity. They seem to widely share the opinion that “this country was nothing until my people came.” I would say it’s by and large only people familiar with HBD concepts who relate innate capacity for prosperity to racial constitution.

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    Certainly, a lot of non-whites do have delusions about being superior as a race. Nonetheless you rarely hear any of them expressing a wish to get away from whites and form their self-sufficient communities or countries, so deep down they're probably aware that sticking with Whitey is their best chance.
  105. @gremix
    I'm not sure which WN group Fred is talking to specifically. The core historical type (William Pierce) would deport anyone without blonde hair and blue eyes. After that, you have the more generic WNs which vary from Nativist only to European only. And then the 3rd group, which sees WN as a means to asserting White identity and maintaining the majority White core of America... but isn't that worried about small amounts of immigration and racial purity.

    Either way, you probably won't get any practical responses because there is no unified WN.

    The core historical type (William Pierce) would deport anyone without blonde hair and blue eyes.

    Strawman argument, a Big Lie.

    “The core historical type (William Pierce)” never said or advocated any such thing.

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    It's just a roundabout way of claiming WLP was a nordicist, which of course he was - as were virtually all American WNs until perhaps ten or at most twenty years ago. They remain the overwhelming core to this day. As with broader ("pan-white") WN, their cause is just, but the people pressing the case for it are vile.
  106. @RJJCDA
    First, one cannot prove the whole by the part, or the part by the whole; and nor can one prove the universal by the particular, or the particular by the universal. That said: the group genetic load of Latinos is different than for whites, Asians or blacks, and they also differ among themselves.

    The white majority, as any spawning majority, has a right to preserve, and enhance, their majoritarian demographics. Failure to do so means democide, and the end of Western civilization. Culture, which drives civilizations, is derived from specific group genomes interacting with their circumstances over time.

    Therefore, benignly encouraging self-deportation of non-whites until they constitute at most about 15%, one standard deviation, of a nation's population is imperative. Financial incentives can be offered. Failing that, America will inevitably break-up into a half dozen nations, or be held together only by a tyrannical authoritarian government.

    “Failing that, America will inevitably break-up into a half dozen nations, or be held together only by a tyrannical authoritarian government.”

    In post imperial America our tyrannical authoritarian government will have lost its mojo. It will not be able to prevent the break-up into a half dozen nations. My Cristal ball sees imperial collapse followed by balkanization. That’s if we avoid a nuclear war of course.

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  107. @Intelligent Dasein
    First of all, let me stipulate for argument's sake that I am indeed a White Nationalist; and pace Fred Reed, I have, in fact, thought about these problems from a practical standpoint for as long as I have been a White Nationalist.

    Let me also add that for me, White Nationalism is a means not an end. What I truly desire above all else is a Traditionalist society. I am in favor of monarchy, of Latin-rite Roman Catholicism, of throne-and-altar Constantinism, of trades regulated by a guild system, of Aristotle and St. Thomas, of women assuming their appropriate role as wives and mothers, of currency backed by tangible assets, of art that edifies, of higher learning reserved for the talented few, and of a whole host of other things that used to be common sense during the long, quiet centuries before social critiques and problem-politics collided with the age of the Mass Man. But before any of these things can come to pass, we must dispense with the menace of Globalism and its social-democratic or crony-capitalist running dogs. The only way to do that is to preserve in the nations of the West some remnant of the culture which once embodied the nobler virtues that came to the defense of king and Creed and country---some genuine aristocracy, some real metaphysical religion.

    Thus White Nationalism. It is only among Whites that you will find people capable of even connecting with anything I just described, and even most of them do not. You will find zero blacks who do. You may find a very few Latinos (such as Nicolas Gomez Davila), but they are not the ones who are emigrating to America. The Latinos coming to America are coming precisely to be Mass Men, to be useless canaille who eat the fruits of civilization like locusts, consuming and laying waste to all in their path. They certainly aren't coming to assist the few worthy Whites who remain to lift the standard of Traditionalism.

    The practical solutions begin with deporting every Latino we possibly can. For those who inevitably remain, they must be rigorously assimilated. I believe Latinos are assimilable, but the process has to begin when they are very young children. "Hispanic" culture as it exists in the United States produces nothing but ignorant, entitled, lying, lazy scumfucks. Their men are weasely blowhards and their women are disgusting hos. They lie and steal as a matter of course. This whole warren of vice must be destroyed, and it has to begin by eradicating Spanish as a spoken language in American territory. English immersion must become mandatory. Secondly, the dole must be made totally unavailable to these people. No more welfare of any kind. Thirdly, the border must be closed not only to immigration but also to travel and trade. Being American means you stay here, you think of this as your home, and you forsake all other nations and persons. If you left family back in Mexico, too bad---you left them. Fourthly, they and their descendants will forever be denied the right of citizenship and will never be allowed to vote in American elections. They may set up self-governing councils and elect their own tribunes to govern them in internal matters, but their value as a democratic weapon of the Left will be nil. There may also be restrictions as to what sort of trades they may practice and even where they will live.

    In short, we need some sort of apartheid to adequately deal with our Mexican subclass. This is not harsh; it is a more than fair solution to the problem of a criminal people born for servility. They brought this upon themselves by coming here illegally and by being the wicked liars they are. They are entitled to nothing else, and if they do not like it they can return to Mexico.

    The practical solutions begin with deporting every Latino we possibly can. For those who inevitably remain, they must be rigorously assimilated.

    I was with you until this point. Assimilation, in the context of the US, is a euphemism for destroying Catholic culture. That’s what assimilation was all about. So, unless you are self-hating, you don’t get to be a Latin Mass Traditionalist who is in favor of assimilation. The exact thing Latin Mass Traditionalists are rebelling against, the Conciliar Church, is the assimilation of the Church into post-Protestantism.

    The other thing I think you are missing is that, without democracy, the problems of poly-cultural and poly-ethnic societies become much easier. The normal thing in empires is for there to be Catholic villages and Protestant villages and Muslim villages. The normal thing in empires is for there to be a French Quarter and a Jewish Ghetto and etc. Most of the problems posed by population mixing go away if you take away democracy and the delusional notion that “all men are created equal.” You could call this “some sort of apartheid,” of course (and I call it that sometimes), but it’s really just humans doing what they naturally do in the absence of crazed ideological, social, and coercive pressure to the contrary.

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    So, unless you are self-hating, you don’t get to be a Latin Mass Traditionalist who is in favor of assimilation. The exact thing Latin Mass Traditionalists are rebelling against, the Conciliar Church, is the assimilation of the Church into post-Protestantism.
     
    Right. And as we all know, there is no more burning question confronting white people than that.
  108. @Berta Arnason
    Define "white" properly, Mr. Reed.

    Italians, Spaniard, Greeks, Irish, etc, might be European but they failed to pass the "white" test once and some would argue still do so.

    There’s no question this is a serious stumbling block – quite possibly fatal – to the racial unity required if any WN initiative is to ever succeed.

    Seldom do WNs ever sound like a bigger pack of larped out loons than when attempting formulate answers to the Perennial Question: “Who is white?”

    Now, for general purposes, I don’t think you can do better than “If you have to think about it, you’re not.” That formulation probably captures 95% of people who’d ever want to have anything to do with WN.

    WN ambitions go well beyond “general purposes,” however, and it’s here that the devil is really in the details.

    WN schemes for determining racial belonging are uniformly ignorant of the “problem of the margins.” Their schemes are focused entirely on determining where the line should be drawn. None of them considers the main problem common to all such schemes: the treatment of, or the effects on, people just inside the line or just outside of it.

    These problem is this: if you’re in, you’re wholly in; if you’re out, you’re wholly out. People lying just outside the line – often people who very similar schemes would include comfortably inside their line – are treated as lying entirely outside of it, to be subject to same treatment as people who were never even in contention. That is, some greasy southern European is to be regarded as lying just as completely outside the circle of racial inclusion as some negroid that nobody ever thought to include. The nuances by which most people form racial judgements in their daily lives are nowhere in evidence in these binary distinctions by which WNs attempt to delineate belonging.

    My point here isn’t to whine and advance my own arguments about the inclusion of southern Europeans (or anybody else). I want only to point out the insecurities that such schemes induce, and which makes them tremendously undesirable and unworkable. I contend that nobody wants to merely “scrape in.” Nobody is going to sacrifice life and limb to secure the interests of a group to which he may or may not belong. Such is not the stuff of which revolutions are made.

    On the other side of the coin, there are good number of WASPs and other generic northern Europeans who feel incensed that people they consider their racial brethren – or at least racial next of kin – are subjected to such contempt. Whether this attitude arises from genuine affection or merely a desperation to secure racial allies is unimportant. It’s a factor, and it is ensures that the Perennial Question is never satisfactorily answered.

    Some WN intellectuals are keenly aware of the thorny nature of the problem and therefore consider it more prudent to sidestep it than confront it head-on. There is something to be said for this approach, as it allows for a good deal more organization in the short-run. Unfortunately, it only kicks the can down the road, and in any case is fundamentally dishonest.

    Consider Greg Johnon’s – a contemporary WN luminary if anyone is – magnanimous allowance that “Armenians are okay” – their participation is fine if they’re idealistic enough to put up with the inevitable bullshit. Well, that’s great. But what is the real world effect?

    Say Joe the Wop hears this and thinks to himself, “Well if Armenians are okay, then surely I’m a White Man in good standing!” So he goes off to some local racialist meeting to discuss how “we’re” going to fight back. Only upon arriving there he encounters some white trash nutzi who, evidently knowing nothing of Greg Johnson’s pronouncement, proceeds to, first, look at him funny and, second, dismissively ask what the hell he’s doing there. What’ll Joe do? Suck it up and stick around or curse the whole damn enterprise? Not hard to guess, is it.

    See the dishonesty there? It’s not that Greg Johnson is lying. There’s every likelihood he means exactly what he says. It’s just that he has no way of enforcing his views on anyone, not even his own minions, and certainly not on people who’ve never heard of him. It’s therefore misleading to present himself as having any sort of authority to pronounce on these matters.

    Posts like this always seem incomplete unless the author provides his own, supposedly superior, suggestion as to what might be done. Just like if someone claims Babe Ruth was the greatest ever baseball player, it’s unseemly for me to simply answer “No he wasn’t!” without proposing my own candidate for the title. Alas, that is exactly what I’m going to do.

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    Your sensible response is appreciated.
    , @Anonymous
    Well the alternative to having a fixed standard based on dna exams is that people like George zimmerman and Anwar sadat are considered white, as for Arabs, turks, and Armenians, more than a few agree that a case by case basis should apply so that some small percentage of the population are suitable for being made white, based on dna results, just like the nazis considered that some parts of the slavic population can be germanized.
  109. Good essay Fred. Thank you. In my occasional comments on this site I have always emphasized that first and foremost the country has to be united, and that if anybody thinks this is going to happen without the incorporation (assimilation, integration, amalgamation – call it what you like) of “Latinos” and “Asians” and others they are living in a fantasy world.

    The MSM likes to say that the United States will be a “minority-majority” country in X years, but the fact it is that the United States will still be a “majority American country” when that happens – so long as we unite. This already happened once with the immigration of Italians, Poles, Czechs, Lebanese, etc in the early 1900s. The same fears and doubts where there then. Of course, the immigration restriction law of 1924 helped – if was not crucial to – assimilation, so we may need to slow immigration now too for the same good reason.

    I don’t know where some of the commentators on this list live, but there are many, many places in the U.S. where this assimilation/integration is taking place. Intermarriage is up, especially between ‘whites, Latinos, and Asians.’ What else can their kids be but “Americans.” If you let them be. Many mainland Chinese students in the U.S. today are bitter towards Chinese Americans (ABCs) just because the latter identify as and with their fellow Americans. As for Mexicans, there is already a large and very American middle-class. Their are obscured because of the constant new Mexican immigrants.

    There is a good collection of essays in the book “Reinventing the Melting Pot,” edited by Tamar Jacoby. I recommend it.

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  110. My thought is that we first decide the pros and cons of a larger U.S. population. This is a political question, but I see no advantage to more crowding, pollution and demand on our dwindling natural resources. Also I see a great advantage to a country with largely a common culture. Perhaps we should look more closely at Japan. The possibility of such a homogenous society is demonstrated there.

    When I was young my experience was that of a lower tier economic family. Yet my father always provided food, housing, medical and other necessities such as clothing tough his unaided efforts. Education tended to favor the more talented (not me) since they would provide the smarts to grow our country. Now schools focus on the slowest students, teach that food is the task of the school not the family and that medical service is provided and paid for by free clinics. Thus immigrants remain peons looking to others to serve as their patrons.

    Perhaps this is why immigrants often don’t learn a now largely extinct culture of self-sufficiency.

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  111. @Bill

    The practical solutions begin with deporting every Latino we possibly can. For those who inevitably remain, they must be rigorously assimilated.
     
    I was with you until this point. Assimilation, in the context of the US, is a euphemism for destroying Catholic culture. That's what assimilation was all about. So, unless you are self-hating, you don't get to be a Latin Mass Traditionalist who is in favor of assimilation. The exact thing Latin Mass Traditionalists are rebelling against, the Conciliar Church, is the assimilation of the Church into post-Protestantism.

    The other thing I think you are missing is that, without democracy, the problems of poly-cultural and poly-ethnic societies become much easier. The normal thing in empires is for there to be Catholic villages and Protestant villages and Muslim villages. The normal thing in empires is for there to be a French Quarter and a Jewish Ghetto and etc. Most of the problems posed by population mixing go away if you take away democracy and the delusional notion that "all men are created equal." You could call this "some sort of apartheid," of course (and I call it that sometimes), but it's really just humans doing what they naturally do in the absence of crazed ideological, social, and coercive pressure to the contrary.

    So, unless you are self-hating, you don’t get to be a Latin Mass Traditionalist who is in favor of assimilation. The exact thing Latin Mass Traditionalists are rebelling against, the Conciliar Church, is the assimilation of the Church into post-Protestantism.

    Right. And as we all know, there is no more burning question confronting white people than that.

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  112. @Jason Liu
    My interactions with white nationalists tell me that white nationalism is not so much a political movement as it is a bunch of people venting and raging on the internet. Their nationalism lacks any doctrine, strategy, or supporting ideology.

    Take leftist movements, for example. They don't just say "we want a society of equals", they churn out academic concepts, terminology, and criticisms every single day for the last 200 years to reinforce and weaponize their beliefs. Compare that to nationalists merely proclaiming, "I want a country full of white people", and relying only on the innate tribalism of voters (which many whites don't seem to have), it's no wonder nationalists in the west are at a severe social disadvantage.

    This vacuum of thought leads white nationalists to resort to ridiculous, and frankly useless, tactics. Things like "Every/most members of this out-group is bad/criminal/savage" or "The white race is unapproachably superior", or just being offensive in general, do not advance nationalism on an ideological level.

    To be fair, part of this is because of a poorly controlled academia. The western concepts of maximizing freedom and/or neutrality usually leads to leftist dominance in many social spheres, because politics is life for leftists more so than it is for rightists. There is a good reason why the non-western world is less liberal and less forgiving to liberals, and it's not just because they're poor or "mean".

    The American situation requires splitting the country into smaller ethnostates in order to effect true nationalism, for any race. That one country should dominate such a wide and diverse continent is itself unnatural, and I think with enough agitation, splitting can be achieved within a few centuries. To what extent any such ethnostate accommodates/assimilates Latinos is up to them. A good number of Latinos look and sound like white people to me, but maybe they don't to whites.

    But that goal is so distant, and utterly impossible without taking smaller steps first. Like nationalists elsewhere, white nationalists should first focus on dismantling liberal democracy, and mounting relentless attacks on academia and media until both are either subsumed or controlled by nationalists. It is necessary to build a culture of criticism against egalitarianism and Enlightenment values, and cut the head off the snake by focus firing on leftist elites and ideologues (almost all of whom are white, by the way). If you look closely, you'll find that minorities are nowhere as devoted to liberal democratic ideals as whites. I for one believe social equality is a blight on humanity, and has been holding back human potential for at least the last 100 years. NAMs tend to care for those ideals only to the extent which it benefits their tribalism. This means that by destroying the white, ideological left, the races and groupings of man will once again be able to deal with each other on a tribe-to-tribe basis, and thereby paving the way to global ethnonationalism.

    And before anyone starts, the white leftist elite are made up of much more than just Jews.

    If it is the goal to eventually split up the US into different ethnic areas, to me, this seems to be the most reasonable and workable way forward. Though I’m not sure things need t be split that far, I think the fifty states, with stronger local power could achieve the same results.

    Peace.

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    It really depends on what sort of relations one envisions the various entities having with one another. Are relations expected to be amicable - in a "good fences make good neighbors" way - or hostile? Hardcore WNs view racial conflict as inevitable no matter the social arrangement. Expecting maximal hostility, they would want as extensive and racially homogeneous territory as possible. Devolving power to U.S. states to decide racial issues would be no solution at all to them. More reasonable racialists would go to great lengths to preserve what has been achieved in racial understanding and goodwill (non-existent, according to WNs) over the past fifty years, so for them a state-based solution would be an acceptable experiment in racial coexistence.
  113. @Wally

    The core historical type (William Pierce) would deport anyone without blonde hair and blue eyes.
     
    Strawman argument, a Big Lie.

    "The core historical type (William Pierce)" never said or advocated any such thing.

    It’s just a roundabout way of claiming WLP was a nordicist, which of course he was – as were virtually all American WNs until perhaps ten or at most twenty years ago. They remain the overwhelming core to this day. As with broader (“pan-white”) WN, their cause is just, but the people pressing the case for it are vile.

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  114. @silviosilver

    Whites are on the fast track to racial extinction. Why do you then think that wholesale deportation is delusional? And why are WN, people whose cause you say is just, complete scum?
     
    White extinction will occur not simply because non-whites have moved into white territory, but because whites have proceeded to form intimate relationships with them. Not only are friendships and business relations established, the ultimate result is racial intermixture, a process which subtracts what would have been a white child and replaces it with a non-white.

    Why do I mention this? Because racial intermixture doesn't occur in isolation. It's not just one white woman and her individual choice, and which can therefore be disregarded as the wanton act of a "coalburner." Parents, siblings, cousins, friends are all affected by it. Every instance of mixing must inure a good four or five whites at least against the brutality of preferred WN solutions to racial problems. Therefore it simply doesn't matter that what you propose may be technically feasible or that it can be expected to solve the problem; in the minds of all too many whites, it's simply a moral no-go.

    Fifty years ago this wouldn't have mattered much. Back then there were far fewer whites so inured. We are fast approaching a time in which most whites will be thus inured. What is the point then of urging upon people proposals that don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever becoming acceptable?

    As for WNs being scum, their commentaries on and attitudes towards racial issues speak for themselves. I don't mean the articulate intellectuals, I mean their rebarbative followers who pollute comments threads (and only succeed in shooting themselves in the foot). No more need be said.

    and only succeed in shooting themselves in the foot). No more need be said.

    If these people are only shooting themselves in the foot, then why do you feel the need to denigrate and dismiss them in the minds of other people by calling them names (scum)?

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    Because they make it so much easier for opponents to associate all pro-white ideas with them. You've been around long enough to know that. Your righteous anger gives you no free pass in dealing with reality, lady.
  115. Good job Fred. Good questions. Sorry I don’t have answers. I think the important thing regarding immigration is to get it stopped. That much is doable but only if we can remove the corrupt scum that are in a position to stop it but wont because they are profiting from it.

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  116. What to do with the ones here? Surely we cannot deport legal immigrants. Have we allowed too many? That is an opinion, I say yes. But if they are here legally, I would not favor deporting any legal immigrants. That does not seem ‘fair’ (a word I use only infrequently).

    My plan:
    –Huge reductions in welfare and government freebies. They all get to pay their own health care.
    –No government publications or websites in anything but English.
    – No government-sponsored “work programs” (what a joke and waste they are).
    –End affirmative action and racial quotas.
    – Of course no government support for any ‘refugee resettlement’ program b/c we are ending the corrupt gravy train.

    The ones that stay then get to work under the same set of circumstances and challenges that most Americans are subject to. No special favors. If they want to stay and can ‘make it’ fine by me. I think many would leave and the ones who really wanted to be Americans and could work here would stay. I have had several central Americans do work on my house. I would rather those carpenters and roofers be native US citizens, but those guys worked hard and did not loaf (quite the contrary, they were hard at it), did fine work, and were pleasant and good to have around the place. They spoke Spanish among themselves but they all talked w me in pretty good English. Along with vigorous deportations of illegals, I think this would give us the more capable immigrants (and most likely to be happy here), and encourage the freeloaders and gangsters among them to vaminos.

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    Our government has established deliberate discrimination against White men, "affirmative action", as irreversible policy, as well as the continous immigration of people entitled to AA. The only real principle behind this is hatred of America's core population. Why should any White care about what is fair to foreigners, or what is fair to Whites who support the destruction of their own people? There are no rules, only survival. So, yes, we can deport any green card holder we with, and any naturalized American who breaks the Oath of Allegiance.
  117. @Talha
    If it is the goal to eventually split up the US into different ethnic areas, to me, this seems to be the most reasonable and workable way forward. Though I'm not sure things need t be split that far, I think the fifty states, with stronger local power could achieve the same results.

    Peace.

    It really depends on what sort of relations one envisions the various entities having with one another. Are relations expected to be amicable – in a “good fences make good neighbors” way – or hostile? Hardcore WNs view racial conflict as inevitable no matter the social arrangement. Expecting maximal hostility, they would want as extensive and racially homogeneous territory as possible. Devolving power to U.S. states to decide racial issues would be no solution at all to them. More reasonable racialists would go to great lengths to preserve what has been achieved in racial understanding and goodwill (non-existent, according to WNs) over the past fifty years, so for them a state-based solution would be an acceptable experiment in racial coexistence.

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    Hey silviosilver,

    More reasonable racialists would go to great lengths to preserve what has been achieved in racial understanding and goodwill
     
    Exactly, why throw out the baby with the bath water - you only want to undo the pendulum swinging too far one way (which I agree - even as a non-White - it has; I cringe when I hear people insulting White culture or history without any regard for balance).
    My personal feeling is that most Whites, due to Christian values and ethos, will likely not want anything to do with a super-charged racial environment. Most people don't. Take for instance the Nation of Islam, who are clearly Black supremacists - only a very minority of African Americans go that route when converting instead of the mainstream Sunni path.
    I can see them separating on pragmatic grounds to defuse tension and as a return to some of the more wiser policies in the past (as Bill mentioned enclaves in multi-ethnic empires).

    I'm actually glad to see some people thinking things out reasonably; Mr. Reed has fostered a good conversation.

    May God preserve you and your progeny - whatever color they are.

    , @epochehusserl
    Not much goodwill or understanding can exist racially while the government doesn't respect our right to private property, freedom of association or liberty of contract. Here on the unz as we celebrate the ascension of N ietzsches last men. Banning iq tests doesn't harm smart people or the general level of competence. I prefer standardized tests not violent protests.
    , @Discard
    We really can't get along in anything but a superficial way with all these imports. I have worked with many of them, I can greet people in a dozen languages, but I can't loan them a book or tool and expect to get it back. Low trust people from low trust cultures.
  118. @Jason Liu
    My interactions with white nationalists tell me that white nationalism is not so much a political movement as it is a bunch of people venting and raging on the internet. Their nationalism lacks any doctrine, strategy, or supporting ideology.

    Take leftist movements, for example. They don't just say "we want a society of equals", they churn out academic concepts, terminology, and criticisms every single day for the last 200 years to reinforce and weaponize their beliefs. Compare that to nationalists merely proclaiming, "I want a country full of white people", and relying only on the innate tribalism of voters (which many whites don't seem to have), it's no wonder nationalists in the west are at a severe social disadvantage.

    This vacuum of thought leads white nationalists to resort to ridiculous, and frankly useless, tactics. Things like "Every/most members of this out-group is bad/criminal/savage" or "The white race is unapproachably superior", or just being offensive in general, do not advance nationalism on an ideological level.

    To be fair, part of this is because of a poorly controlled academia. The western concepts of maximizing freedom and/or neutrality usually leads to leftist dominance in many social spheres, because politics is life for leftists more so than it is for rightists. There is a good reason why the non-western world is less liberal and less forgiving to liberals, and it's not just because they're poor or "mean".

    The American situation requires splitting the country into smaller ethnostates in order to effect true nationalism, for any race. That one country should dominate such a wide and diverse continent is itself unnatural, and I think with enough agitation, splitting can be achieved within a few centuries. To what extent any such ethnostate accommodates/assimilates Latinos is up to them. A good number of Latinos look and sound like white people to me, but maybe they don't to whites.

    But that goal is so distant, and utterly impossible without taking smaller steps first. Like nationalists elsewhere, white nationalists should first focus on dismantling liberal democracy, and mounting relentless attacks on academia and media until both are either subsumed or controlled by nationalists. It is necessary to build a culture of criticism against egalitarianism and Enlightenment values, and cut the head off the snake by focus firing on leftist elites and ideologues (almost all of whom are white, by the way). If you look closely, you'll find that minorities are nowhere as devoted to liberal democratic ideals as whites. I for one believe social equality is a blight on humanity, and has been holding back human potential for at least the last 100 years. NAMs tend to care for those ideals only to the extent which it benefits their tribalism. This means that by destroying the white, ideological left, the races and groupings of man will once again be able to deal with each other on a tribe-to-tribe basis, and thereby paving the way to global ethnonationalism.

    And before anyone starts, the white leftist elite are made up of much more than just Jews.

    a bunch of people venting and raging on the internet. Their nationalism lacks any doctrine, strategy, or supporting ideology.

    This can be said of Leftists, too.

    The difference, as I see it, is one of social sanction. The ruling ideology encourages social-Leftism (what is often now called “SJW”-ism) and strongly discourages/penalizes “radical right” thinking and White racialism.

    There is a fine tradition of (even postwar) radical-right commentary, scholarship, and serious thought, but it is semi-underground; members of the elite have had to conceal their own ideas. (Cf. George Kennan; the Nixon tapes).

    It’s a matter of who the elite is. The USA has what we call a hostile elite.

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  119. @Hail

    tens of millions of Latinos are in the country, and are going to stay, it might be wise to seek...assimilation
     
    Societies like the USA tend to end up with an ethnocultural "core" and a "periphery". This is about identity, and not necessarily about political power, or economic power.

    Trying to pin down strict definitions is not helpful here; we all know it to be true by lived experience and sense of self-identity; "What About..." sophistry just muddles things up. Of course, descendants of peripheral populations can and do enter the core, yet the "core American" population has remained remarkably stable over four centuries. It is anchored, ancestrally, by Northwest-Europe, but not exclusive thereto. That's just the way it is. There is a trace amount of Amerindian ancestry, almost negligible taken on the whole.

    What Fred Reed seems to here propose is a future core-USA population with much more substantial Amerindian blood.

    Just imagine a U.S. "core" population (not total population) that is 40% Amerindian.... Really?

    Just imagine a U.S. “core” population (not total population) that is 40% Amerindian…. Really?

    And the biggest irony of all is, that 40% Amerind would have been contributed NOT by the *actual* Amerinds who lived in U.S. when we settlers came to U.S. from Europe, for instance, the Sioux Indians and Cherokees and Apaches. No. Those guys got their populations knocked virtually completely out.

    It would be admixture with Amerinds who were NOT here when we came but were in Central America and Mexico, for instance, Aztecs –
    –who are the eternal sworn enemies of the Amerinds actually here, the Apaches.

    And those Aztec mixed descendants (proclamation by bullhorn notwithstanding) won’t be doing the Apaches any favors when they wrest control from the White man. Just the opposite. The old animosities will resurface and the few Apache still around on reservations will probably find themselves starved to death.

    So, the only Indians who truly *were* here first (ex.: the Apaches) who still exist get it in the arse AGAIN. This time because the conquerors to whom they surrendered (the European settlers) will have given them over to their Amerind enemies.
    How come no Whites, with all their mental masturbations about how guilty we are that we “stole U.S. from the Indians,” nobody bothers to feel any guilt about *that*?!!!

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    I don't see how that's relevant, since from the racialist perspective, race and genetic distance determine legitimacy.
  120. @silviosilver
    It really depends on what sort of relations one envisions the various entities having with one another. Are relations expected to be amicable - in a "good fences make good neighbors" way - or hostile? Hardcore WNs view racial conflict as inevitable no matter the social arrangement. Expecting maximal hostility, they would want as extensive and racially homogeneous territory as possible. Devolving power to U.S. states to decide racial issues would be no solution at all to them. More reasonable racialists would go to great lengths to preserve what has been achieved in racial understanding and goodwill (non-existent, according to WNs) over the past fifty years, so for them a state-based solution would be an acceptable experiment in racial coexistence.

    Hey silviosilver,

    More reasonable racialists would go to great lengths to preserve what has been achieved in racial understanding and goodwill

    Exactly, why throw out the baby with the bath water – you only want to undo the pendulum swinging too far one way (which I agree – even as a non-White – it has; I cringe when I hear people insulting White culture or history without any regard for balance).
    My personal feeling is that most Whites, due to Christian values and ethos, will likely not want anything to do with a super-charged racial environment. Most people don’t. Take for instance the Nation of Islam, who are clearly Black supremacists – only a very minority of African Americans go that route when converting instead of the mainstream Sunni path.
    I can see them separating on pragmatic grounds to defuse tension and as a return to some of the more wiser policies in the past (as Bill mentioned enclaves in multi-ethnic empires).

    I’m actually glad to see some people thinking things out reasonably; Mr. Reed has fostered a good conversation.

    May God preserve you and your progeny – whatever color they are.

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  121. @silviosilver
    It really depends on what sort of relations one envisions the various entities having with one another. Are relations expected to be amicable - in a "good fences make good neighbors" way - or hostile? Hardcore WNs view racial conflict as inevitable no matter the social arrangement. Expecting maximal hostility, they would want as extensive and racially homogeneous territory as possible. Devolving power to U.S. states to decide racial issues would be no solution at all to them. More reasonable racialists would go to great lengths to preserve what has been achieved in racial understanding and goodwill (non-existent, according to WNs) over the past fifty years, so for them a state-based solution would be an acceptable experiment in racial coexistence.

    Not much goodwill or understanding can exist racially while the government doesn’t respect our right to private property, freedom of association or liberty of contract. Here on the unz as we celebrate the ascension of N ietzsches last men. Banning iq tests doesn’t harm smart people or the general level of competence. I prefer standardized tests not violent protests.

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  122. THE PENDULUM SWINGS WILDLY. That is the state of our current domestic affairs, with extreme reactions prevailing, instead of a well thought our reasoned approach. We are incapable of examining problems by divorcing ourselves from our emotions. Instead we use our feelings to decide, and in the process, sometimes divorce ourselves from reality. This is apparent when the leftist tells us that their current version of multi culturism is working.

    White nationalization itself is merely a reaction (& sometimes an overreaction) to all the diversity chaos in this nation. Assimilation would work if promoted & allowed to do so. But the interference from leftist academics, leftist MSM, and political opportunist has prevented this from happening.

    I formed my own biases through being a white flight refugee from a major urban rust belt city. Like others who lived in similar circumstances, we formulated our opinions from many negative experiences with afro americans, especially by personally knowing people who were victims of violence, or were killed. We tend to generalize the problem because by always bring up exceptions it makes conversation about the issue cumbersome. We are responding to the problem that we experienced instead of formulating opinions without said negative experiences (in other words, it is not merely an intellectual exercise). But we also know the distinctions between the good and bad among the afro american community.

    If the radical elements of afro americans got there way with a race war, the ones who will suffer the most are the blacks who want no part of it (blacks will brand them as race traitors, and whites will distrust them). Many afro americans enable the radical element in their own community, but some do it because they are forced to live in that community, and they do not wish to target themselves.

    We seemed to have lost our ability to discern distinctions and use discretion. I began to notice this with the anarcho capitalist who resent police officers. They blame them for every problem and they believe it would be paradise if they did not exist (similar to the marxist utopian viewpoint). They make no distinctions because to them its all or nothing, so therefore they are all bad. If you disagree with them they will berate you with ad hominem attacks (like typical ideologues, there is no room for disagreement) . Whats more confusing is they are incapable to make a distinction between a justified use of force from one that is unjustified. If the police did so then it must be all unjustified (they do not understand that this plays right into leftist hopes of eliminating all use of force in defense of ones life).
    This is probably a result of very limited life experience. Reality to them is merely an intellectual exercise. As a result they are as divorced from reality as any leftist academic, who relies solely on studies to navigate the real world, and any empirical evidence to the contrary is merely ignored. Instead of addressing real police state abuses, such as civil forfeitures, traffic ticket quotas, and overuse of SWAT teams for non dangerous circumstances; they muddle us with their obsessive pet theories about all police are bad (no exceptions).

    I also see this type of irrationality with exclusively blaming Mexican immigrants for illegal immigration. It is true that illegal immigrants are violating our immigration laws, and some are from criminal gangs. But most are just people who are acting out of economic desperation and are seizing the opportunity of our lax border/immigration enforcement. The bulk of the blame belongs with our federal govt, and their leftist enablers (& also Republican corporatist who want cheap labor) . They are the ones who are leaving the door open, once entered by the illegal immigrant, are allowed to stay. By doing so, its a de facto invitation for the Mexican to enter and work here. Its our govt job to secure the border, not the illegal immigrants job, therefore our govt is the negligent party in this matter for not enforcing the appropriate laws.

    Now this is not limited just to the above. I believe that this scapegoating has become the current trend – – just choose a group. The victims of white flight scapegoat because of multiple bad experiences living adjacent to urban ghettos (we have a justification for it). But others seem to be scapegoating out of propaganda, or a single negative experience with another group. They seem to ignore the fact that its better to associate with a trustworthy person from another group than an untrustworthy person from your own group.
    I use to think that with our steady economic decline that radical afro americans (& their enablers) would be a cause of major social unrest. But I realize now, with everyone choosing their favorite scapegoat, that we may degenerate into a situation where its all against all. This potential multifaceted balkanization will be death to a nation, for a house divided cannot stand.

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    • Replies: @Discard
    I suppose there are people who blame illegals for being illegals, but anyone I talk to knows that the blame lies with the cheap labor and the multi-cult lobbies. My guess is that those who blame the illegals exclusively must get their news from the MSM or its domesticated right wing. If anyone is scapegoating the wetbacks, it's the powerful. Better to let Jose take the rap than Wall street and Harvard.
    , @Colleen Pater
    look while their are plenty of decent blacks the average black and hispanic IQ is 85 so there is never going to be equality or peace and good blacks / hispanics do not always have good kids are relatives so you end up with good blacks moving away from bad blacks to white neighborhood and in 30 years its a slum not only do bad relatives move in but bad children are born and even when not bad they stupid and promiscuous and all the other bad genetic traits. so yeah it really sucks to be a huxtable -not my problem
  123. @vinteuil
    "Truth" - are you, in fact, the same guy as "Light?"

    Yep, I’ve got to remember to reset all my computers from the Prince homage.

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    • Replies: @Clyde
    Excuses excuses excuses...get your black conservative shyte together my brother
  124. Southern Baptists , Catholics in Maryland and Puritans to the north had no love of each other. States solves the problem. The tyranny of the majority in a vast federal government causes all of them.

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  125. Every once in a while, Fred writes as a liberal (to keep his hand in, I suppose.) Why not just have multiple web identities, Fred? Save yourself (and us) a lot of grief.

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  126. @silviosilver

    Whites are on the fast track to racial extinction. Why do you then think that wholesale deportation is delusional? And why are WN, people whose cause you say is just, complete scum?
     
    White extinction will occur not simply because non-whites have moved into white territory, but because whites have proceeded to form intimate relationships with them. Not only are friendships and business relations established, the ultimate result is racial intermixture, a process which subtracts what would have been a white child and replaces it with a non-white.

    Why do I mention this? Because racial intermixture doesn't occur in isolation. It's not just one white woman and her individual choice, and which can therefore be disregarded as the wanton act of a "coalburner." Parents, siblings, cousins, friends are all affected by it. Every instance of mixing must inure a good four or five whites at least against the brutality of preferred WN solutions to racial problems. Therefore it simply doesn't matter that what you propose may be technically feasible or that it can be expected to solve the problem; in the minds of all too many whites, it's simply a moral no-go.

    Fifty years ago this wouldn't have mattered much. Back then there were far fewer whites so inured. We are fast approaching a time in which most whites will be thus inured. What is the point then of urging upon people proposals that don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of ever becoming acceptable?

    As for WNs being scum, their commentaries on and attitudes towards racial issues speak for themselves. I don't mean the articulate intellectuals, I mean their rebarbative followers who pollute comments threads (and only succeed in shooting themselves in the foot). No more need be said.

    White people who may not want their Mexican son-in-law deported still do not want their local schools flooded with with his countrymen. White people want the foreigners gone, except for the Good Ones. So let the Good Ones stay.
    The smarter Mestizos can and do marry up, into White families, be they American White or Mexican White. They are not the problem. I grew up with Mexicans who acted pretty much like us. Same neighborhoods, same sorts of jobs, same sorts of problems. They were assimilated.

    Furthermore, many Whites are not happy with the families of their new in-laws. They may like the high achiever their child married, but not his many cholo cousins. They will have no reason to oppose deportation of illegals, lawbreakers, and a progressively widening circle of undesirables.

    The boiling frog simile works both ways.

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    White people want the foreigners gone, except for the Good Ones. So let the Good Ones stay.
     
    The 'Good Ones' don't exactly wear signs on their foreheads making them easy to identify, you know.

    Surely you can see that if even a hardass like yourself is already backing away from wholesale deportation, such a plan would be many times harder for much less racially committed whites to support.

    In the final analysis, it comes down to the fact that to implement your policy you need power. To get power you need support. And to get support people have to agree with your ideas. If people don't agree with your ideas - and nothing you try succeeds in getting them to - then you're shit out of luck.
    , @gwynedd1
    Poor lefties....

    "In a clear attempt to become the next OkCupid/How About We, AYI analyzed data from 2.4 million interactions from its user base to figure out what races got the most responses on their site and if the results are to be believed, they are somewhat unsurprisingly depressing. The site found that Asian women get messaged the most by all men except for Asian men, who like Hispanic women best. "


    http://jezebel.com/asian-women-get-the-most-attention-when-online-dating-1458718768

    Something Steve Sailor already told us years ago.


    Looks to me the best way to solve our race problem is with a few more Asians. White men will have increase options with Asian women while Asian men will help to assimilate Hispanics. Hispanics have the balls and Asians have the brains. We can't survive as a white majority state. As much as I would want to like Europeans, too many of them are self hating and pathologically altruistic( well offering up others for sacrifice ofcourse). All we need is a nation we can live in. Numbers don't matter. Its the quality that counts. Even though its a false narrative, the propaganda war of slavery has defeated the US as we know it. What need is there for the idiot masses of any race? The US is nothing but a self loathing culture. Black fail and whites feel guilty about it. Its not ever going to work.
  127. @Buck Turgidson
    What to do with the ones here? Surely we cannot deport legal immigrants. Have we allowed too many? That is an opinion, I say yes. But if they are here legally, I would not favor deporting any legal immigrants. That does not seem 'fair' (a word I use only infrequently).

    My plan:
    --Huge reductions in welfare and government freebies. They all get to pay their own health care.
    --No government publications or websites in anything but English.
    -- No government-sponsored "work programs" (what a joke and waste they are).
    --End affirmative action and racial quotas.
    -- Of course no government support for any 'refugee resettlement' program b/c we are ending the corrupt gravy train.

    The ones that stay then get to work under the same set of circumstances and challenges that most Americans are subject to. No special favors. If they want to stay and can 'make it' fine by me. I think many would leave and the ones who really wanted to be Americans and could work here would stay. I have had several central Americans do work on my house. I would rather those carpenters and roofers be native US citizens, but those guys worked hard and did not loaf (quite the contrary, they were hard at it), did fine work, and were pleasant and good to have around the place. They spoke Spanish among themselves but they all talked w me in pretty good English. Along with vigorous deportations of illegals, I think this would give us the more capable immigrants (and most likely to be happy here), and encourage the freeloaders and gangsters among them to vaminos.

    Our government has established deliberate discrimination against White men, “affirmative action”, as irreversible policy, as well as the continous immigration of people entitled to AA. The only real principle behind this is hatred of America’s core population. Why should any White care about what is fair to foreigners, or what is fair to Whites who support the destruction of their own people? There are no rules, only survival. So, yes, we can deport any green card holder we with, and any naturalized American who breaks the Oath of Allegiance.

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  128. @JSM
    and only succeed in shooting themselves in the foot). No more need be said.

    If these people are only shooting themselves in the foot, then why do you feel the need to denigrate and dismiss them in the minds of other people by calling them names (scum)?

    Because they make it so much easier for opponents to associate all pro-white ideas with them. You’ve been around long enough to know that. Your righteous anger gives you no free pass in dealing with reality, lady.

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    PPPTTT.

    I have watched the "respectable conservatives" back down and back down and back down from every single thing that I value, including and most importantly, the demographic makeup of my country.

    What good have they done? None. What good has being polite gotten us? None.

    My own children are a demographic minority in the country their ancestors built.

    My son can't get a job pursuing his passion of space (and a Frontier to explore is absolutely essential to the ultimate survival of White people -- we can't live without it) because the space program is defunct due to liberals spending the money on banker bailouts -- which McCain approved of -- and funding the breeding of blacks. Why did the Left get away with spending all the space exploration money on breeding blacks? Because National Review was telling all the conservatives to watch their tone and speak respectfully.

    I'll take the "scum" who refuse to back down, who insist and insist and insist on Whites' right to live -- and namecall when necessary -- who are the genesis of the Trump Phenomenon.

    The "scum" have done more for me by making the rise of Trump possible, than all the "respectable conservatives" (who all call Trump Hitler, which he isn't, he's McKinley) put together.

    Frankly, the "scum" have become my heroes, because without them, the respectable conservatives, we could have relied on them to simply have gotten Jeb in place and the slide into oblivion accelerate.
  129. @silviosilver
    It really depends on what sort of relations one envisions the various entities having with one another. Are relations expected to be amicable - in a "good fences make good neighbors" way - or hostile? Hardcore WNs view racial conflict as inevitable no matter the social arrangement. Expecting maximal hostility, they would want as extensive and racially homogeneous territory as possible. Devolving power to U.S. states to decide racial issues would be no solution at all to them. More reasonable racialists would go to great lengths to preserve what has been achieved in racial understanding and goodwill (non-existent, according to WNs) over the past fifty years, so for them a state-based solution would be an acceptable experiment in racial coexistence.

    We really can’t get along in anything but a superficial way with all these imports. I have worked with many of them, I can greet people in a dozen languages, but I can’t loan them a book or tool and expect to get it back. Low trust people from low trust cultures.

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    • Replies: @silviosilver
    Oh I agree with that. "Benign neglect" is the way people generally treat other under conditions of mass multiracial multiculturalism. Oftentimes it's a relief to encounter mere superficiality when it's something far more threatening you were expecting.

    Still, this is a far cry from the kind of outright hostility and loathing that WNs have commonly contended must characterize (domestic and international) race-relations. I think if mainstream society would back off its insane anti-whitism you'd find more to appreciate about this achievement.
  130. @joef
    THE PENDULUM SWINGS WILDLY. That is the state of our current domestic affairs, with extreme reactions prevailing, instead of a well thought our reasoned approach. We are incapable of examining problems by divorcing ourselves from our emotions. Instead we use our feelings to decide, and in the process, sometimes divorce ourselves from reality. This is apparent when the leftist tells us that their current version of multi culturism is working.

    White nationalization itself is merely a reaction (& sometimes an overreaction) to all the diversity chaos in this nation. Assimilation would work if promoted & allowed to do so. But the interference from leftist academics, leftist MSM, and political opportunist has prevented this from happening.

    I formed my own biases through being a white flight refugee from a major urban rust belt city. Like others who lived in similar circumstances, we formulated our opinions from many negative experiences with afro americans, especially by personally knowing people who were victims of violence, or were killed. We tend to generalize the problem because by always bring up exceptions it makes conversation about the issue cumbersome. We are responding to the problem that we experienced instead of formulating opinions without said negative experiences (in other words, it is not merely an intellectual exercise). But we also know the distinctions between the good and bad among the afro american community.

    If the radical elements of afro americans got there way with a race war, the ones who will suffer the most are the blacks who want no part of it (blacks will brand them as race traitors, and whites will distrust them). Many afro americans enable the radical element in their own community, but some do it because they are forced to live in that community, and they do not wish to target themselves.

    We seemed to have lost our ability to discern distinctions and use discretion. I began to notice this with the anarcho capitalist who resent police officers. They blame them for every problem and they believe it would be paradise if they did not exist (similar to the marxist utopian viewpoint). They make no distinctions because to them its all or nothing, so therefore they are all bad. If you disagree with them they will berate you with ad hominem attacks (like typical ideologues, there is no room for disagreement) . Whats more confusing is they are incapable to make a distinction between a justified use of force from one that is unjustified. If the police did so then it must be all unjustified (they do not understand that this plays right into leftist hopes of eliminating all use of force in defense of ones life).
    This is probably a result of very limited life experience. Reality to them is merely an intellectual exercise. As a result they are as divorced from reality as any leftist academic, who relies solely on studies to navigate the real world, and any empirical evidence to the contrary is merely ignored. Instead of addressing real police state abuses, such as civil forfeitures, traffic ticket quotas, and overuse of SWAT teams for non dangerous circumstances; they muddle us with their obsessive pet theories about all police are bad (no exceptions).

    I also see this type of irrationality with exclusively blaming Mexican immigrants for illegal immigration. It is true that illegal immigrants are violating our immigration laws, and some are from criminal gangs. But most are just people who are acting out of economic desperation and are seizing the opportunity of our lax border/immigration enforcement. The bulk of the blame belongs with our federal govt, and their leftist enablers (& also Republican corporatist who want cheap labor) . They are the ones who are leaving the door open, once entered by the illegal immigrant, are allowed to stay. By doing so, its a de facto invitation for the Mexican to enter and work here. Its our govt job to secure the border, not the illegal immigrants job, therefore our govt is the negligent party in this matter for not enforcing the appropriate laws.

    Now this is not limited just to the above. I believe that this scapegoating has become the current trend - - just choose a group. The victims of white flight scapegoat because of multiple bad experiences living adjacent to urban ghettos (we have a justification for it). But others seem to be scapegoating out of propaganda, or a single negative experience with another group. They seem to ignore the fact that its better to associate with a trustworthy person from another group than an untrustworthy person from your own group.
    I use to think that with our steady economic decline that radical afro americans (& their enablers) would be a cause of major social unrest. But I realize now, with everyone choosing their favorite scapegoat, that we may degenerate into a situation where its all against all. This potential multifaceted balkanization will be death to a nation, for a house divided cannot stand.

    I suppose there are people who blame illegals for being illegals, but anyone I talk to knows that the blame lies with the cheap labor and the multi-cult lobbies. My guess is that those who blame the illegals exclusively must get their news from the MSM or its domesticated right wing. If anyone is scapegoating the wetbacks, it’s the powerful. Better to let Jose take the rap than Wall street and Harvard.

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    • Replies: @joef
    You said better than I, with a lot fewer words than I did. It is our elites basically divided into the corporatist republicans who represent the cheap labor interest; and the socialist democrats who represent the multicultural interest. And they cooperate with each other as needed, and when that happens we are the ones who usually suffer. The democrat party died with JFK, and the republican party died with Reagan. We are now stuck with the narcissistic baby boomers running the show, who practice a lifestyle of limousine liberalism. In addition we are going to be stuck with the burden of their unproductive spoiled children who believe that there is such a thing as a free lunch.
    In the old days the two parties agreed on the problems, but disagreed on the solutions. Today we as a nation cannot even agree what our problems are. That is because if leftist acknowledged the problems, they would have to acknowledge that their programs are a failure.
  131. Your straightforward questions deserve straightforward answers. Here are the policy prescriptions I believe most people you lump together as “white nationalists” want to see:

    1) Secure the border, obviously.
    2) Return to pre 1965 legal immigration levels (ie, microscopic and favoring Europeans)
    3) End birthright citizenship.
    4) Eliminate all public services in Spanish. Hispanics need to be pushed to learn English and use it exclusively in public life. Your definition of “assimilation” is wrong. It’s not a blending. It’s a one way street. They have to get on our page in terms of language and culture.
    5) Roll back all welfare programs. If this results in some self-deportation, I’d be surprised, but so much the better.
    6) Outlaw affirmative action.

    That’s really it for me.

    I could also get behind sterilization for cash – an offer to all citizens regardless of race or creed. That should weed out idiots of all stripes and improve the gene pool. But that’s mostly worthwhile because robots and software are making labor less necessary, and natural resources are going to run out if we keep pressing the population upward.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    review every last citizenship application in past 40 years and deport them and their offspring for fraud.
    review amnesty deals for fraud if left did not honor counter agreements entire amnesty illegal deport
    criminals and welfare immediate citizenship revocation even if birthright.
    offer buyout for self deportation offer bountys for sterilization make breeding illegal without license and miscegenation a deportable offense
  132. @silviosilver

    But non-whites want to stay with whites, not because they like them but because they know they need the things that are paid for by whites.
     
    I am not at all sure that non-whites believe they need whites to ensure their own prosperity. Many of them are convinced that white prosperity is ill-gotten and nothing they couldn't have created themselves had whites not cheated them of the opportunity. They seem to widely share the opinion that "this country was nothing until my people came." I would say it's by and large only people familiar with HBD concepts who relate innate capacity for prosperity to racial constitution.

    Certainly, a lot of non-whites do have delusions about being superior as a race. Nonetheless you rarely hear any of them expressing a wish to get away from whites and form their self-sufficient communities or countries, so deep down they’re probably aware that sticking with Whitey is their best chance.

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    • Replies: @silviosilver
    "Self-sufficiency" probably isn't high on their agenda, but their settlement patterns reveal a distinct desire to be around each other than to be around whites. That's my interpretation of the data anyway. Racial separatism - much less racial partition - isn't a topic commonly discussed anywhere, so it's not surprising we don't hear many opinions about it.
  133. @silviosilver
    Because they make it so much easier for opponents to associate all pro-white ideas with them. You've been around long enough to know that. Your righteous anger gives you no free pass in dealing with reality, lady.

    PPPTTT.

    I have watched the “respectable conservatives” back down and back down and back down from every single thing that I value, including and most importantly, the demographic makeup of my country.

    What good have they done? None. What good has being polite gotten us? None.

    My own children are a demographic minority in the country their ancestors built.

    My son can’t get a job pursuing his passion of space (and a Frontier to explore is absolutely essential to the ultimate survival of White people — we can’t live without it) because the space program is defunct due to liberals spending the money on banker bailouts — which McCain approved of — and funding the breeding of blacks. Why did the Left get away with spending all the space exploration money on breeding blacks? Because National Review was telling all the conservatives to watch their tone and speak respectfully.

    I’ll take the “scum” who refuse to back down, who insist and insist and insist on Whites’ right to live — and namecall when necessary — who are the genesis of the Trump Phenomenon.

    The “scum” have done more for me by making the rise of Trump possible, than all the “respectable conservatives” (who all call Trump Hitler, which he isn’t, he’s McKinley) put together.

    Frankly, the “scum” have become my heroes, because without them, the respectable conservatives, we could have relied on them to simply have gotten Jeb in place and the slide into oblivion accelerate.

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    • Replies: @Anonimo
    >My son can’t get a job pursuing his passion of space

    No offence but if your son can't get a job in that particular area, it probably is because he doesn't have what it takes. Either way the private sector is were innovations in space technology are going to come from in the future, have you heard of SpaceX by any chance.

    http://www.spacex.com/careers/list
  134. @Discard
    White people who may not want their Mexican son-in-law deported still do not want their local schools flooded with with his countrymen. White people want the foreigners gone, except for the Good Ones. So let the Good Ones stay.
    The smarter Mestizos can and do marry up, into White families, be they American White or Mexican White. They are not the problem. I grew up with Mexicans who acted pretty much like us. Same neighborhoods, same sorts of jobs, same sorts of problems. They were assimilated.

    Furthermore, many Whites are not happy with the families of their new in-laws. They may like the high achiever their child married, but not his many cholo cousins. They will have no reason to oppose deportation of illegals, lawbreakers, and a progressively widening circle of undesirables.

    The boiling frog simile works both ways.

    White people want the foreigners gone, except for the Good Ones. So let the Good Ones stay.

    The ‘Good Ones’ don’t exactly wear signs on their foreheads making them easy to identify, you know.

    Surely you can see that if even a hardass like yourself is already backing away from wholesale deportation, such a plan would be many times harder for much less racially committed whites to support.

    In the final analysis, it comes down to the fact that to implement your policy you need power. To get power you need support. And to get support people have to agree with your ideas. If people don’t agree with your ideas – and nothing you try succeeds in getting them to – then you’re shit out of luck.

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    The ‘Good Ones’ don’t exactly wear signs on their foreheads making them easy to identify, you know.

    Simple enough. They'll have to get three signatures from American citizens who can show a birth certificate or naturalization papers, attesting to their character.
    If the Good One can't find three American citizens to vouch for him, out he goes. If he commits a crime greater than speeding more than ten miles per hour or parking tickets, out he goes.
    If he tries to get or is getting welfare, out he goes.

    Will this get rid of *all* the Bad Ones? No, but it's a good start.
    , @Discard
    I'm not backing away from mass deportation. Mass deportation does not 100% expulsion of everyone with a trace of Indio or had a Spanish-speaking grandmother. Even the Nazis did not kill Germans with only one Jewish grandparent. Shipping 30 million Mexicans out of 40 million is still mass deportation.

    I do advocate the expulsion of all illegals, all amnestied illegals, all naturalized non-Whites, all anchor babies, anyone of Mexican or any other non-White descent with anything less than a squeaky clean record, and all racial activists. That will take care of most if not all of the problem.

    "Good Ones" is a term of mockery, as in "Not all Mexicans are like that, I know a good one". (NAMALT & IKAGO) Sorry if the jest was unintelligible.

    I know that there is not yet support for mass deportation, but that can change. I do not believe that a country up to its ears in unpayable debt can pull off this high wire act indefinitely. I think there will be a very great fall, and millions of once middle class accountants and lawyers and doctors and engineers will line up on the side of the discarded working class Whites. That is when the pot will come to a full boil. Until then, I will try to get the ideas out where the soon-to-be discarded Americans can see and perhaps absorb them.

    If it turns out that Wall Street and D.C. can kick the can down the road for another 50 years, then I am wrong.
  135. @Rob McX
    Certainly, a lot of non-whites do have delusions about being superior as a race. Nonetheless you rarely hear any of them expressing a wish to get away from whites and form their self-sufficient communities or countries, so deep down they're probably aware that sticking with Whitey is their best chance.

    “Self-sufficiency” probably isn’t high on their agenda, but their settlement patterns reveal a distinct desire to be around each other than to be around whites. That’s my interpretation of the data anyway. Racial separatism – much less racial partition – isn’t a topic commonly discussed anywhere, so it’s not surprising we don’t hear many opinions about it.

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  136. My son can’t get a job pursuing his passion of space (and a Frontier to explore is absolutely essential to the ultimate survival of White people — we can’t live without it) because the space program is defunct due to liberals spending the money on banker bailouts

    The space program is defunct? NASA receives more real dollar funding today than it did under Reagan (albeit as a smaller proportion of the federal budget).

    Anyway, it’s not as if whites were going to set out to colonize space tomorrow such that recent cutbacks imperil the whole mission.

    Why did the Left get away with spending all the space exploration money on breeding blacks? Because National Review was telling all the conservatives to watch their tone and speak respectfully.

    Why in the world do you imagine I’d defend the cuckstains of NRO?

    It’s not people speaking “disrespectfully” that I disapprove of. (Eg TRS-style “ovenworthy” gags.) I don’t care about irreverence of that sort. Hell, I join in the fun.

    The “scum” I have in mind are the stormfag utlrafascist skinhead neo-nutzi 1488 hardcore. Nothing worthwhile can be achieved with those shitheads, nothing whatsoever.

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    Fascinating. You won't defend the cuckstains of NRO, yet you reject the likes of Andrew Anglin, calling folks like him scum.

    The “scum” I have in mind are the stormfag utlrafascist skinhead neo-nutzi 1488 hardcore.

    We've had Rush Limbaugh for 35 years. Things went from bad to worse. We've had Fox News for two decades. At the defeat of Romney, Hannity mewled, "Well, I guess we'll have to give the illegals amnesty after all."

    Bob Whitaker, in his Mantra, says, "if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews." Bob Whitaker has been saying this stuff since the Reagan Administration. It's been obvious to him what the plan is for 35 years, yet the plan continued such that we have been brought to the place today where we have to have these arguments about "who's White," and "just what practical plan do you WNs have, since there are too many non-Whites here now."

    It took Andrew Anglin showing up and saying the racial slurs, saying, "I don't CARE if you call me Nazi, these Mexishits, hajis, kikes and niggers have got to go," to break the Overton Window.
    It took the founding of Daily Stormer such that in not too many years, we get Ann Coulter finally, finally, showing she's gotten the courage to go full White Nationalist enough to write her book Adios America. And from there we got Trump. I argue, Andrew's refusal to back down when called Nazi, to, in fact, *double down* is what gave Ann her courage to say the truth (minus the slurs). Ann's book is where Trump got his ideas -- he says so.

    Without Andrew, no Trump.

    Andrew Anglin's REFUSAL to kowtow to racial pieties, his full-on 1488-ing -- is what broke the stranglehold on what regular Whites dare say put in place by liberals and respectable conservatives. It is what gave Trump the room to maneuver to call illegal aliens from south of the border what so many are: criminals, rapists, and druggies.

    Andrew is fighting for Whites in the just cause of our continued existence in the only way that has even been shown to be effective. And for his trouble, he gets called "scum." Gee, your gratitude is touching.
    Or, are you not White and you have a vested interest in seeing to it the 1488ers are silenced?

    , @Anonymous
    Fred Reed has a point the far right is just useless, I mean what does brexit do, I mean it will just make immigration wholly nonwhite since now you lose the white Polish immigrants, plus you put a lot of whites out of work by losing access to the EU market.
    , @BenKenobi
    You see scum. I see soldiers in need of officers.
  137. @Discard
    We really can't get along in anything but a superficial way with all these imports. I have worked with many of them, I can greet people in a dozen languages, but I can't loan them a book or tool and expect to get it back. Low trust people from low trust cultures.

    Oh I agree with that. “Benign neglect” is the way people generally treat other under conditions of mass multiracial multiculturalism. Oftentimes it’s a relief to encounter mere superficiality when it’s something far more threatening you were expecting.

    Still, this is a far cry from the kind of outright hostility and loathing that WNs have commonly contended must characterize (domestic and international) race-relations. I think if mainstream society would back off its insane anti-whitism you’d find more to appreciate about this achievement.

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    • Replies: @Discard
    The outright hostility and loathing come when Whites are allotted an even smaller share of a shrinking pie. Right now I can, with effort, keep away from Chinese, Iranians, Russians and other groups that think honesty is for suckers. What happens when you can't avoid being cheated because you can't avoid the cheaters?
  138. @silviosilver

    White people want the foreigners gone, except for the Good Ones. So let the Good Ones stay.
     
    The 'Good Ones' don't exactly wear signs on their foreheads making them easy to identify, you know.

    Surely you can see that if even a hardass like yourself is already backing away from wholesale deportation, such a plan would be many times harder for much less racially committed whites to support.

    In the final analysis, it comes down to the fact that to implement your policy you need power. To get power you need support. And to get support people have to agree with your ideas. If people don't agree with your ideas - and nothing you try succeeds in getting them to - then you're shit out of luck.

    The ‘Good Ones’ don’t exactly wear signs on their foreheads making them easy to identify, you know.

    Simple enough. They’ll have to get three signatures from American citizens who can show a birth certificate or naturalization papers, attesting to their character.
    If the Good One can’t find three American citizens to vouch for him, out he goes. If he commits a crime greater than speeding more than ten miles per hour or parking tickets, out he goes.
    If he tries to get or is getting welfare, out he goes.

    Will this get rid of *all* the Bad Ones? No, but it’s a good start.

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  139. @Anonymous
    White people used to flag wave from their native countries all the time. Irish, Italian, Greek etc etc. Usually it was the most discriminated segment of the white population who would do this, but they don't do it anymore.

    Apparently you missed the part where I said they were also assaulting people and burning the American flag.

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  140. @Anonymous
    Too late.

    If whites wanted a pure country, whites should not have brought slaves to America. Whites should not have gone to other countries and wrecked them through military and economic warfare. Whites should have gotten control of their 1% and made sure they did not flood their country with 3rd world labor.

    But we all know whites did not do these things and at the end of the day you reap what you sow. Whites in America trying to keep minorities to 15% is impossible without a civil war and breakup of America. So you can have your white America, but only in a Balkanized country. Any other talk is pure fantasy.

    Ah, I didn’t mention “either side of the MEAN.”Were you setting up a “straw man” argument? Merely the commonsense point that using a scale of 0-100, as in demographic percentages within a country’s population, a STD of that number comes out close to 15%. This and other numbers higher and lower are supported by examples soon to be explicated in a forthcoming book.

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  141. @silviosilver

    My son can’t get a job pursuing his passion of space (and a Frontier to explore is absolutely essential to the ultimate survival of White people — we can’t live without it) because the space program is defunct due to liberals spending the money on banker bailouts
     
    The space program is defunct? NASA receives more real dollar funding today than it did under Reagan (albeit as a smaller proportion of the federal budget).

    Anyway, it's not as if whites were going to set out to colonize space tomorrow such that recent cutbacks imperil the whole mission.


    Why did the Left get away with spending all the space exploration money on breeding blacks? Because National Review was telling all the conservatives to watch their tone and speak respectfully.
     
    Why in the world do you imagine I'd defend the cuckstains of NRO?

    It's not people speaking "disrespectfully" that I disapprove of. (Eg TRS-style "ovenworthy" gags.) I don't care about irreverence of that sort. Hell, I join in the fun.

    The "scum" I have in mind are the stormfag utlrafascist skinhead neo-nutzi 1488 hardcore. Nothing worthwhile can be achieved with those shitheads, nothing whatsoever.

    Fascinating. You won’t defend the cuckstains of NRO, yet you reject the likes of Andrew Anglin, calling folks like him scum.

    The “scum” I have in mind are the stormfag utlrafascist skinhead neo-nutzi 1488 hardcore.

    We’ve had Rush Limbaugh for 35 years. Things went from bad to worse. We’ve had Fox News for two decades. At the defeat of Romney, Hannity mewled, “Well, I guess we’ll have to give the illegals amnesty after all.”

    Bob Whitaker, in his Mantra, says, “if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews.” Bob Whitaker has been saying this stuff since the Reagan Administration. It’s been obvious to him what the plan is for 35 years, yet the plan continued such that we have been brought to the place today where we have to have these arguments about “who’s White,” and “just what practical plan do you WNs have, since there are too many non-Whites here now.”

    It took Andrew Anglin showing up and saying the racial slurs, saying, “I don’t CARE if you call me Nazi, these Mexishits, hajis, kikes and niggers have got to go,” to break the Overton Window.
    It took the founding of Daily Stormer such that in not too many years, we get Ann Coulter finally, finally, showing she’s gotten the courage to go full White Nationalist enough to write her book Adios America. And from there we got Trump. I argue, Andrew’s refusal to back down when called Nazi, to, in fact, *double down* is what gave Ann her courage to say the truth (minus the slurs). Ann’s book is where Trump got his ideas — he says so.

    Without Andrew, no Trump.

    Andrew Anglin’s REFUSAL to kowtow to racial pieties, his full-on 1488-ing — is what broke the stranglehold on what regular Whites dare say put in place by liberals and respectable conservatives. It is what gave Trump the room to maneuver to call illegal aliens from south of the border what so many are: criminals, rapists, and druggies.

    Andrew is fighting for Whites in the just cause of our continued existence in the only way that has even been shown to be effective. And for his trouble, he gets called “scum.” Gee, your gratitude is touching.
    Or, are you not White and you have a vested interest in seeing to it the 1488ers are silenced?

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    Yeah, of course, Andrew Anglin was the cause of all that.
  142. Anyway, it’s not as if whites were going to set out to colonize space tomorrow such that recent cutbacks imperil the whole mission.

    Screw you. We can’t even get up to our own space station anymore; we have to thumb a ride with the Russians. The Russians whom we beat in the space race to the moon. This is fucking embarrassing.
    NASA, dollar amounts notwithstanding, has changed its mission from exploring and exploiting the solar system to making Arabs feel good and “promoting diversity.”
    This diversity bringing such incompetence that we can’t even build a heavy lifter anymore. This is the very definition of defunct if you ask me.

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  143. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @JSM
    Just imagine a U.S. “core” population (not total population) that is 40% Amerindian…. Really?

    And the biggest irony of all is, that 40% Amerind would have been contributed NOT by the *actual* Amerinds who lived in U.S. when we settlers came to U.S. from Europe, for instance, the Sioux Indians and Cherokees and Apaches. No. Those guys got their populations knocked virtually completely out.

    It would be admixture with Amerinds who were NOT here when we came but were in Central America and Mexico, for instance, Aztecs --
    --who are the eternal sworn enemies of the Amerinds actually here, the Apaches.

    And those Aztec mixed descendants (proclamation by bullhorn notwithstanding) won't be doing the Apaches any favors when they wrest control from the White man. Just the opposite. The old animosities will resurface and the few Apache still around on reservations will probably find themselves starved to death.

    So, the only Indians who truly *were* here first (ex.: the Apaches) who still exist get it in the arse AGAIN. This time because the conquerors to whom they surrendered (the European settlers) will have given them over to their Amerind enemies.
    How come no Whites, with all their mental masturbations about how guilty we are that we "stole U.S. from the Indians," nobody bothers to feel any guilt about *that*?!!!

    I don’t see how that’s relevant, since from the racialist perspective, race and genetic distance determine legitimacy.

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    Pffff. Tell that to the Apaches pissed off that the White man is letting in the descendants of the people that used to do human sacrifice on any of their braves foolish enough to ride his horse far enough south to encounter them.
  144. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Fred

    You made the decision to become an honorary Mexican. No, I don’t want the Mexicans to “assimilate”. Assimilation just means “gentle: genocide against The Historic Native Born White American Majority. Native Born White Americans should be as ruthless as the Mexicans are with other Hispanic Tribes attempting to cross into Mexico. I have 0 conscience about the required force and violence required to get rid of the Mexicans.

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    • Replies: @Anonymous
    Go back home to Ireland. Irish descended people have no right or reason to be in America.
  145. @Aschwin
    Fred also buys into the common myth that white people are practitioners of the dark arts. Our negative views of Latinos magically lead them to become ghettoized, isolated, hostile and dysfunctional. I think this comment contains an implicit understanding that Latinos are heading in that exact direction today, and have been for a long time. We agree on the symptom, but differ on the cause.

    Didn't six Mexican teachers just die in protests against manditory testing? There is a reason why your readers disagree with your analysis of Mexican society. Personally, all positive things I can come up with are related to Mexico's authoritarian business culture. I can also imagine that Mexican students from certain strata are more disciplined(but less gifted) than their European-American counterparts. This doesn't mean you can simoly transplant them to a culturally/politically alien country(US) and expect similar results. You also fail to recognize the racial hierarcy in Mexico.

    And the answer to your question; American decline can no longer be prevented. European-Americans need to collectively fight for the right to maintain European- only neighbourhoods/businesses and become as ethnocentric as Latinos/Blacks are today.

    You also fail to recognize the racial hierarcy in Mexico.

    I too have long been curious to understand the cat that’s got the usually astute Fred’s tongue when it comes to the mestizo and mulatto spectra.

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    Fred apparently couldn't get a real woman, so now he is so pussy-whipped by his retarded indio wife that he makes every absurd excuse for the Mexican invasion and colonization of my country.

    I say "my" country because clearly Reed does not consider America to be HIS country.

    Fuck you, Fred, stay in Mexico, and die ASAP.
  146. I’ve always agreed with the left and the bulk of the people of color that whites should go back to Europe.
    Why the governments on both sides can’t resettle whites back into Europe, those who want to go, is mind boggling. They move in millions of Muslims but refuse the idea of resettling whites? That makes no sense.
    Living here and being a slave to their assimilation that they don’t want is awful. We’re constantly told that it’s our lifes work to make them better people, educate them better, give them healthcare and other government benefits like housing and food, so they will be better people, because if we don’t they’ll be themselves. but through it all any white who doesn’t care for the servitude to brown are called racists, when it’s not us who want to make them better people but you.

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  147. @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque
    Teach them English. The reference to Germans learning English/French was an unfortunate non-connection; much better would have been - Do Germans want immigrants to be able to speak German?

    When I was young, those of us going on to college had to learn French as that then was the language of commerce as English is now and so it is crucial immigrants at least learn/know theEnglish language (and hopefulyl a less tendentious history of America - how about Howard Zinn never?)

    The immigrants I know of are very hard-working, honest, and law-abiding and I have no problem with immigration from the south continuing as long as they are subjected to health exams, literacy exams, and a reasonable assessment that they possess skills/knowledge that will be an asset to America.

    Unless the far larger problem of usury is addressed and ended (Capitalism is state sponsored Usury) it is a distraction to speak about a living wage for all Americans as Capitalism is also state sponsored theft of labor via Usury.

    (Ok, nobody was speaking of that...)

    The much thornier problems to address is how to wrest control of the economy from the rentier/creditor class to liberate the debtor class; the 1% vs the 99% is real, not a fiction of the left).

    A Jubilee should be called, for everyone. Cancel all debt. Period.

    O, and it should be noted that illegal aliens working with fake IDs are contributing mightily to Social Security while not drawing it down during retirement and that may be one of, the many, reasons for open borders.

    I am amazed that anyone on this this site ever heard of, let alone favors jubilee. A year of return would be good except the sorry excuses for citizens would try to turn the old family farm into more wastelands of asphalt.

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  148. @Rich
    I'm not sure where you get your information from, but I'm not aware of any White Nationalist, or even Supremacist group that would "deport anyone without blonde hair and blue eyes." I've never read anything like this anywhere, even the Nazis never came out against redheads, brunettes or black haired people. Brown eyes, green eyes, hazel eyes, I've never read anywhere, anyone calling for the deportation of such folks. Maybe you were just using hyperbole, or maybe you buy the cartoon version of some evil Dr. Mengele (blonde haired, blue eyed version) plotting the end of all non-Aryans. The overwhelming majority of White people just want to be left alone, they don't want forced integration and they don't want affirmative action.

    “The overwhelming majority of White people just want to be left alone, they don’t want forced integration and they don’t want affirmative action.”

    Bravo, and well said Rich. That is exactly the sentiment of those of my friends who aren’t too fearful to speak about this topic.

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  149. @JSM
    Fascinating. You won't defend the cuckstains of NRO, yet you reject the likes of Andrew Anglin, calling folks like him scum.

    The “scum” I have in mind are the stormfag utlrafascist skinhead neo-nutzi 1488 hardcore.

    We've had Rush Limbaugh for 35 years. Things went from bad to worse. We've had Fox News for two decades. At the defeat of Romney, Hannity mewled, "Well, I guess we'll have to give the illegals amnesty after all."

    Bob Whitaker, in his Mantra, says, "if I tell that obvious truth about the ongoing program of genocide against my race, the white race, Liberals and respectable conservatives agree that I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionjews." Bob Whitaker has been saying this stuff since the Reagan Administration. It's been obvious to him what the plan is for 35 years, yet the plan continued such that we have been brought to the place today where we have to have these arguments about "who's White," and "just what practical plan do you WNs have, since there are too many non-Whites here now."

    It took Andrew Anglin showing up and saying the racial slurs, saying, "I don't CARE if you call me Nazi, these Mexishits, hajis, kikes and niggers have got to go," to break the Overton Window.
    It took the founding of Daily Stormer such that in not too many years, we get Ann Coulter finally, finally, showing she's gotten the courage to go full White Nationalist enough to write her book Adios America. And from there we got Trump. I argue, Andrew's refusal to back down when called Nazi, to, in fact, *double down* is what gave Ann her courage to say the truth (minus the slurs). Ann's book is where Trump got his ideas -- he says so.

    Without Andrew, no Trump.

    Andrew Anglin's REFUSAL to kowtow to racial pieties, his full-on 1488-ing -- is what broke the stranglehold on what regular Whites dare say put in place by liberals and respectable conservatives. It is what gave Trump the room to maneuver to call illegal aliens from south of the border what so many are: criminals, rapists, and druggies.

    Andrew is fighting for Whites in the just cause of our continued existence in the only way that has even been shown to be effective. And for his trouble, he gets called "scum." Gee, your gratitude is touching.
    Or, are you not White and you have a vested interest in seeing to it the 1488ers are silenced?

    Yeah, of course, Andrew Anglin was the cause of all that.

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    My assertion that he is, in fact, the cause of all that is at least as supportable as your pulled-from-yer-arse assertion that "Nothing worthwhile can be achieved with those shitheads, nothing whatsoever."

    Anglin asserts Daily Stormer is the world's most visited alt-right site.

    Daily Stormer is 9,000 according to Alexa ranking

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/dailystormer.com

    Versus, say, Amren at 11,000
    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/amren.com

    or VDARE at 18,000
    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/vdare.com

    --- or our good host's site, Unz at 10,500

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/unz.com

    *OBVIOUSLY people are listening to Anglin.

  150. Why haven’t assimilationists been laughed out off politics? It has literally worked nowhere.

    Whenever Brown mixes with White, you get stagnation, such as in Latin America, the Middle East or India. Thousands of years, no exceptions.

    Time to call this idiocy out for what it is.

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    Rory Calhoun: I think you are exactly right and can only conclude that those who are pushing "multiculturalism" and "cultural marxism" regardless don't care that it doesn't work for "the people". They'll continue to force it anyway and use the problems that result to their advantage. Those who want a "NWO" and unscrupulous profiteers like George Soros.
  151. @Jason Liu
    Are you equating Zionists with white nationalists?

    > Are you equating Zionists with white nationalists?

    if the shoe fits – wear it

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  152. “Unless the desire is to keep them out of the middle class. Is it?”

    Commenting on this one question:

    Several years ago I taught, tried to teach, in an urban public school with a large Hispanic population. Children wanted to be like their parents. They weren’t generally interested in getting ahead of them as they saw it. The notion didn’t make sense unless they had a particular interest like teaching or being a doctor and few did. Their parents were their models, although this was problematic for many because “cultural marxism” was being imposed on them — for example the idea that homosexuality was perfectly acceptable, even admirable. Their parents did not agree and the teachers — all I knew — supported cultural marxism. Their jobs depended on it.

    Immigrating students came from different backgrounds and levels. They were assigned to a grade level according to age. Children who couldn’t read or write in their own language (let alone English) were often in classes that didn’t serve their needs, but the idea of a 12 year old in first grade wasn’t acceptable.

    Many students did not like the U.S. and “Anglos”, and teachers resented anyone who didn’t “fit in” – with them; they wanted their own cultural space. They were quick to spot as “racist” what was merely a cultural attitude different from their own. Many “bilingual” teachers couldn’t speak English well enough to teach using it, but were supposed to be teaching classes half in English, half in Spanish. That very seldom was the case and there were very few students who learned more than “playground English”. Two Indian children were in one of my classes – they knew English well but not Spanish; why were they in the bilingual department? when I complained I was told “they give them all to us.” In one of my evening classes there were many students from the Dominican Republic and many from Haiti. They two groups would not speak to each other and sat on different sides of the room.

    In days gone by when immigrants were put into classes where everyone spoke English they learned English. Now that is considered “cruel and inhumane, sink-or-swim.”

    I would guess many immigrant children are in similar situations. I’ve often wondered why so many people have left their countries of origin. Many return to their countries of origin, either quickly or after they’ve made some money, but welfare isn’t available for most at home and that is a deterrent to returning.

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  153. Maybe I’m wrong, but it seems Freddy is putting the onus on white nationalists for strained relations with Latinos when white nationalism emerged partly as a reaction to the invasion of our nation by them and their endless demands for special rights and privileges similar to the insufferable and perpetually angry negro. And Fred overlooks the fact that we aren’t getting the best and brightest of Mexican society and that mestizos have the highest welfare rates of any racial group in America, so they aren’t coming here because they revere limited government and the Constitution.

    However, America can’t be completely white, or even close. The time for that idea is long past. The practical question becomes: What now?

    Freedom of association which means whites can discriminate against non-whites and vice versa or racial partition. This will lead to whitopias but the Jewish occupation government will never allow this which ensures a future of conflict and bloodshed.

    What do you recommend doing with, about, for, or to the tens of millions of legal Latinos? What specifically, and how do you propose doing it?

    Making them ineligible for any government benefits, such as welfare, food stamps and medicaid, or affirmative action as they are now. The freebies are a magnet that attracts them, even some of the Mexicans who immigrated “legally”.

    My answer would be: Try to make legal Latinos into productive citizens, which should not be terribly hard. Leaving them alone, and not allowing governments to turn them into a welfare class, would probably do the trick. If nationalists have a better idea, or another idea, I would be happy to consider it.

    There’s nothing stopping Latinos from getting off the dole and rejecting politicians who race bait and entice them with freebies. Put some of the blame on them.

    Since tens of millions of Latinos are in the country, and are going to stay, it might be wise to seek at least a modus vivendi and an amicable relationship, and better, assimilation, rather than needlessly encourage hostile relations.

    Please go lecture La Raza, MEChA, Louis Gutierrez and countless other Latino race hustlers.

    Unless the desire is to keep them out of the middle class. Is it?

    No Bernie Sanders, it’s not. There’s nothing stopping Latinos from entering the middle class given all the affirmative action and race preferences in college admissions and job hiring. The only thing stopping them is their own DNA and antagonism towards Anglo culture.

    Do white nationalists propose to encourage assimilation? How? Discourage it? How? Let nature take its course?

    No, as that would create Brazil. Moreover, Latinos don’t want to assimilate, at least not more than they have to and wish to preserve their language and culture. In essence they want to re-create Mexico inside America and want the benefits of America without the white people. Letting nature take its course will invariably lead to racial separation and ethnostates in most cases but this “free” nation of ours forbids us, at least whites, from making those decisions and determining their own future.

    Do white nationalists favor teaching Latino kids English in the schools, or not doing so? Should white children be allowed, or required, to learn to speak Spanish?

    Absolutely Latino kids should learn English if they live here, but Latino race hustlers and the liberals decry this as Anglo cultural imperialism. White children can learn Spanish if they freely choose to do so, but should not be forced to to accommodate Latino immigrants/invaders.

    Is assimilation possible? I think so, eventually anyway, but we shall see. I do know that if (a) Latinos, already probably twenty per cent of the population, become ghettoized, isolated, hostile and dysfunctional, the United States is over, fini, done, and (b) constant attacks on them as Latinos tend to lead to this end.

    Perhaps Latinos shouldn’t commit so much crime and ghettoize themselves. Perhaps they should stop supporting Latino politicians who are brown race nationalists. Put the onus on them, Freddy.

    It seems Fred thinks amity between whites and Latinos is possible, but whites must agree to terms dictated by Latinos which is surrender, not modus vivendi. This will only drive more fence sitting whites to embrace white nationalism.

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  154. @silviosilver
    You don't see the parallels?

    > You don’t see the parallels?

    with enough astigmatism, parrallel lines might not be seen as such. But you & I can see.

    Seeing that we do, consider another facet: The early adaptors can grab the reins of the schneur machinery. History shows that for every zionist who showed up in Zion prior to 1939 (when the colonial Brits shut down immigration of Hebrew people)…. There were a hundred who didn’t.

    If 15 out of those hundred will make donations, it can become a moderately successful cash cow.

    If it takes a zionist to open up the White AIPAC, i’ll do it for you. Crying all the way to the bank, i’m sure. i’m satisfied with a 10% commission.

    The REAL question of course, is – if your 90% comes out to be $100,000 – who exactly do I give it to? i’d even NOT rule out Stormfront…. ==if== I saw that they were actually ==doing something== more than burning up bandwidth.

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  155. @silviosilver
    Yeah, of course, Andrew Anglin was the cause of all that.

    My assertion that he is, in fact, the cause of all that is at least as supportable as your pulled-from-yer-arse assertion that “Nothing worthwhile can be achieved with those shitheads, nothing whatsoever.”

    Anglin asserts Daily Stormer is the world’s most visited alt-right site.

    Daily Stormer is 9,000 according to Alexa ranking

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/dailystormer.com

    Versus, say, Amren at 11,000

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/amren.com

    or VDARE at 18,000

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/vdare.com

    — or our good host’s site, Unz at 10,500

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/unz.com

    *OBVIOUSLY people are listening to Anglin.

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    Wow, ranked 9000. He's a veritable household name.
  156. @Anonymous
    I don't see how that's relevant, since from the racialist perspective, race and genetic distance determine legitimacy.

    Pffff. Tell that to the Apaches pissed off that the White man is letting in the descendants of the people that used to do human sacrifice on any of their braves foolish enough to ride his horse far enough south to encounter them.

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    @War for Blair Mountain
    Fred

    You made the decision to become an honorary Mexican. No, I don't want the Mexicans to "assimilate". Assimilation just means "gentle: genocide against The Historic Native Born White American Majority. Native Born White Americans should be as ruthless as the Mexicans are with other Hispanic Tribes attempting to cross into Mexico. I have 0 conscience about the required force and violence required to get rid of the Mexicans.

    Go back home to Ireland. Irish descended people have no right or reason to be in America.

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    ANON

    That's just another way of saying:Democratic Party Voting Bloc Nonwhite Identity Politics on LA RAZA Steroids full speed ahead!!!!....But I won't give Whitey permission to do they same.


    Well, we don't need your permission to engage in full-blown NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN RACIAL INDENTITY POLITICS!!!!


    The Mexican Invaders in California used force and violence to drive Native Born White American Construction Workers out of Southern California....and that's not the only place where this has happened...They used force and violence to drive Native Born White American Construction Workers out of Montauk...East Hampton....and South Hampton...Greenport now annexed by Mexico....Stawberry Fields soccer fields just outside Greenport now has MA-13 Neo-Inca gang warfare....
  158. @AndyBoy
    Why haven't assimilationists been laughed out off politics? It has literally worked nowhere.

    Whenever Brown mixes with White, you get stagnation, such as in Latin America, the Middle East or India. Thousands of years, no exceptions.

    Time to call this idiocy out for what it is.

    Rory Calhoun: I think you are exactly right and can only conclude that those who are pushing “multiculturalism” and “cultural marxism” regardless don’t care that it doesn’t work for “the people”. They’ll continue to force it anyway and use the problems that result to their advantage. Those who want a “NWO” and unscrupulous profiteers like George Soros.

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    I agree. I also have a concern for conservatives or followers of "Tradition" who mistakenly think they can fix Brown people with proper values.
  159. Fred’s wife is a Jewish Mexican. Fred is a race traitor. He is part of the problem, not part of any solution for White America.

    We should just consider ourselves fortunate that the turncoat is no longer living in the United States.

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  160. @Discard
    Expel any non-White for whatever reason we can come up with.
    Illegal? Gone.
    Offspring of illegal? Gone.
    Not a citizen? Gone.
    On welfare or EBT? Gone.
    Criminal? Gone.
    Addict or drunk? Gone.
    Racial agitator? Gone.
    Tweets supporting Hilary? Gone.
    Ever complain about La Migra? Gone.
    Call anybody "racist"? Gone.
    Demonstrate against mass deportation? Gone.
    Registered Democrat? Gone.

    Mexicans destroyed my hometown. My high school is now a day care center, whose few graduates haven't got a 9th grade education. Mexicans are a discivic low-trust group that practice in-group morality, and Gringos are the out group, to get sociological about it. That goes for Chinese, Hindus, and Moslems too.

    agreed what the reasonable fail to acknowledge is all these so called legal citizens are nothing of the kind. first they came illegally then political subterfuge got amnesty but none of the recipricals for the amnesty were honored, who was amnestied was subverted how many subverted the political bargains to get amnesties passed subverted if you had asked american 40 years ago if they wanted to go from 90% white to 60% and rapidly sinking white they would never have agreed but that was the plan from the beginning the entire scheme has been 90% illegal and or lies from the beginning so pretending only one can play at that game and we should honor that is bullshit. we should do what the left did just pretend we are following rule of law but do whatever we want get judges to retroactively overturn birthright and find the amnesties broken on fraud examine every last citizenship application and find all the lies the acorn reps wrote down and rescind them.
    This idea that you can assimilate a 85 IQ amerindian or afro/Caribbean negro is absurd never going to happen jason richwine studied it and found still unto the 5th generation hispanics are not any better off than first generation what will we do when robots do all the work.
    but its pointless specu;ation the only thing that will change things is collapse and civil war if we are lucky enough for that to happen rather than slowly being boiled then the mexicans etc will run south while we fight and that leaves the negro question which is re patriate the recent arrivals and their progeny and buy off cordon off and sterilize the rest

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  161. @Truth
    Where was the joke?

    Pay me $25 and I’ll push my lol button for you. If you can get enough others doing the same you might get mistaken for being a comedian.

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  162. @joef
    THE PENDULUM SWINGS WILDLY. That is the state of our current domestic affairs, with extreme reactions prevailing, instead of a well thought our reasoned approach. We are incapable of examining problems by divorcing ourselves from our emotions. Instead we use our feelings to decide, and in the process, sometimes divorce ourselves from reality. This is apparent when the leftist tells us that their current version of multi culturism is working.

    White nationalization itself is merely a reaction (& sometimes an overreaction) to all the diversity chaos in this nation. Assimilation would work if promoted & allowed to do so. But the interference from leftist academics, leftist MSM, and political opportunist has prevented this from happening.

    I formed my own biases through being a white flight refugee from a major urban rust belt city. Like others who lived in similar circumstances, we formulated our opinions from many negative experiences with afro americans, especially by personally knowing people who were victims of violence, or were killed. We tend to generalize the problem because by always bring up exceptions it makes conversation about the issue cumbersome. We are responding to the problem that we experienced instead of formulating opinions without said negative experiences (in other words, it is not merely an intellectual exercise). But we also know the distinctions between the good and bad among the afro american community.

    If the radical elements of afro americans got there way with a race war, the ones who will suffer the most are the blacks who want no part of it (blacks will brand them as race traitors, and whites will distrust them). Many afro americans enable the radical element in their own community, but some do it because they are forced to live in that community, and they do not wish to target themselves.

    We seemed to have lost our ability to discern distinctions and use discretion. I began to notice this with the anarcho capitalist who resent police officers. They blame them for every problem and they believe it would be paradise if they did not exist (similar to the marxist utopian viewpoint). They make no distinctions because to them its all or nothing, so therefore they are all bad. If you disagree with them they will berate you with ad hominem attacks (like typical ideologues, there is no room for disagreement) . Whats more confusing is they are incapable to make a distinction between a justified use of force from one that is unjustified. If the police did so then it must be all unjustified (they do not understand that this plays right into leftist hopes of eliminating all use of force in defense of ones life).
    This is probably a result of very limited life experience. Reality to them is merely an intellectual exercise. As a result they are as divorced from reality as any leftist academic, who relies solely on studies to navigate the real world, and any empirical evidence to the contrary is merely ignored. Instead of addressing real police state abuses, such as civil forfeitures, traffic ticket quotas, and overuse of SWAT teams for non dangerous circumstances; they muddle us with their obsessive pet theories about all police are bad (no exceptions).

    I also see this type of irrationality with exclusively blaming Mexican immigrants for illegal immigration. It is true that illegal immigrants are violating our immigration laws, and some are from criminal gangs. But most are just people who are acting out of economic desperation and are seizing the opportunity of our lax border/immigration enforcement. The bulk of the blame belongs with our federal govt, and their leftist enablers (& also Republican corporatist who want cheap labor) . They are the ones who are leaving the door open, once entered by the illegal immigrant, are allowed to stay. By doing so, its a de facto invitation for the Mexican to enter and work here. Its our govt job to secure the border, not the illegal immigrants job, therefore our govt is the negligent party in this matter for not enforcing the appropriate laws.

    Now this is not limited just to the above. I believe that this scapegoating has become the current trend - - just choose a group. The victims of white flight scapegoat because of multiple bad experiences living adjacent to urban ghettos (we have a justification for it). But others seem to be scapegoating out of propaganda, or a single negative experience with another group. They seem to ignore the fact that its better to associate with a trustworthy person from another group than an untrustworthy person from your own group.
    I use to think that with our steady economic decline that radical afro americans (& their enablers) would be a cause of major social unrest. But I realize now, with everyone choosing their favorite scapegoat, that we may degenerate into a situation where its all against all. This potential multifaceted balkanization will be death to a nation, for a house divided cannot stand.

    look while their are plenty of decent blacks the average black and hispanic IQ is 85 so there is never going to be equality or peace and good blacks / hispanics do not always have good kids are relatives so you end up with good blacks moving away from bad blacks to white neighborhood and in 30 years its a slum not only do bad relatives move in but bad children are born and even when not bad they stupid and promiscuous and all the other bad genetic traits. so yeah it really sucks to be a huxtable -not my problem

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    You are generally correct, it is not our problem. But the elites insist on making it our problem, especially when they promote myths like white privilege, which implies that we have lives without struggle. Included in that implication is the message that everything whites achieved is through misbegotten gains that was somehow stolen from the black man.
    My point is that without leftist interference we would have imposed universal standards of behavior that everyone should follow (including if you have low IQ; low IQ is not an automatic determinant of being a criminal; that is usually reserved for the Narcissistic/Machiavellian/Sociopaths/Psychopaths & antisocial). Eventually the cream would have risen to the top instead of the affirmative action nonsense we have today. Added to this is not coddling violent felons just because they are black.
    This would have promoted social stability in the long run. It is not our problem, the elites created this mess, but it was to all our benefit if universal standards of correct behavior was imposed upon them, instead of the elitist pandering we have today.
  163. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Jonah
    Your straightforward questions deserve straightforward answers. Here are the policy prescriptions I believe most people you lump together as "white nationalists" want to see:

    1) Secure the border, obviously.
    2) Return to pre 1965 legal immigration levels (ie, microscopic and favoring Europeans)
    3) End birthright citizenship.
    4) Eliminate all public services in Spanish. Hispanics need to be pushed to learn English and use it exclusively in public life. Your definition of "assimilation" is wrong. It's not a blending. It's a one way street. They have to get on our page in terms of language and culture.
    5) Roll back all welfare programs. If this results in some self-deportation, I'd be surprised, but so much the better.
    6) Outlaw affirmative action.

    That's really it for me.

    I could also get behind sterilization for cash - an offer to all citizens regardless of race or creed. That should weed out idiots of all stripes and improve the gene pool. But that's mostly worthwhile because robots and software are making labor less necessary, and natural resources are going to run out if we keep pressing the population upward.

    review every last citizenship application in past 40 years and deport them and their offspring for fraud.
    review amnesty deals for fraud if left did not honor counter agreements entire amnesty illegal deport
    criminals and welfare immediate citizenship revocation even if birthright.
    offer buyout for self deportation offer bountys for sterilization make breeding illegal without license and miscegenation a deportable offense

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  164. @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque
    Mit Brennender Sorge

    8. Whoever exalts race, or the people, or the State, or a particular form of State, or the depositories of power, or any other fundamental value of the human community - however necessary and honorable be their function in worldly things - whoever raises these notions above their standard value and divinizes them to an idolatrous level, distorts and perverts an order of the world planned and created by God; he is far from the true faith in God and from the concept of life which that faith upholds.

    A Roman Catholic can not exalt race; said otherwise by Dr E. Michael Jones, , Ethnos needs Logos, for, as it is, you are exalting a race and a protestant nation that rejected the Kingship of Christ and has enshrined as positive laws the Sins Crying to Heaven for Vengeance and every single one of those laws exist because of white men.

    while we are at it we need to cleanse ourselves of christians its just proto communism

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  165. @JSM
    My assertion that he is, in fact, the cause of all that is at least as supportable as your pulled-from-yer-arse assertion that "Nothing worthwhile can be achieved with those shitheads, nothing whatsoever."

    Anglin asserts Daily Stormer is the world's most visited alt-right site.

    Daily Stormer is 9,000 according to Alexa ranking

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/dailystormer.com

    Versus, say, Amren at 11,000
    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/amren.com

    or VDARE at 18,000
    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/vdare.com

    --- or our good host's site, Unz at 10,500

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/unz.com

    *OBVIOUSLY people are listening to Anglin.

    Wow, ranked 9000. He’s a veritable household name.

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  166. @John Rebel
    What you are saying about Mestizos is really crazy, at least in my opinion. Have you ever been to what is known as Latin America? Have you ever been to one of these countries? Latina (mestiza) women are among the beautiful in the world? Venezula is a shithole, but their women are gorgeous. Same for Costa Rica. Hell, there are lots of Mexican hotties.

    I'm against illegal immigration and I hate it that tons of low IQ thugs are walking right through our open borders, but to give the impression that mestizos (I'm focusing on Mestiza women, of course) are ugly is just denying reality. I'm in Latin America as I write this....and the women down here are SO much more feminine, attractive, and sexy than western white women.....especially American white women.

    Dude, we live in L.A. and you either have poor vision or much, much different standards of beauty. You are certainly not describing the Mexican and Mexican-”American” “women” here, city or suburbs, or across CA, AZ, NM, and CO in our experience. The women often outweigh their husbands, and it is difficult to imagine that someone slept with these trolls even when they were young.

    Hey, they may be morbidly obese and tough on the eyes, but at least they’re often unpleasant and not real bright.

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    I'm from Los Angeles too. I used to teach Mexicans. A lot of the girls peak at 14, some even at 13. Most Mexican women are gorditas by their late twenties. I have also noticed the slender few. They are often smart and tough as well, and seem to carry themselves as aristocrats, even if they were Mestiza. Most of the best Mexican teachers I worked with were like that.
  167. Headscratch.

    There you were, so worried about the 1488-ers “scum” “who pollute comments threads” causing such a bad reflection on the White Nationalist cause that you said, “Nothing worthwhile can be achieved with those shitheads, nothing whatsoever.”

    You were so worried, in fact, that you felt the need to make several posts about it.

    So, I *showed* you that a full-1488 blogger is having more influence than Rush and Fox News managed in two decades, is so effective that he’s made possible the Trump Revolution, which you pooh-poohed.

    So I showed you, Daily Stormer is more popular on Alexa than our good host, here, which, note, YOU managed to find your way here, and now —

    And now you sarcastically mock him as unimportant.

    So which is it? Are the 1488-ers a threat to the just cause of White continued existence, or are they simply unimportant?

    Or, is the truth something along the lines that what you are *actually* doing is dissembling because you are non-White who has a vested interest in seeing to it that White folks don’t wander over to Andrew’s site and read what he has to say?

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    So, I *showed* you that a full-1488 blogger is having more influence than Rush and Fox News managed in two decades, is so effective that he’s made possible the Trump Revolution, which you pooh-poohed.
     
    Yes, JSM, you really *showed* me, lol.

    So which is it? Are the 1488-ers a threat to the just cause of White continued existence, or are they simply unimportant?
     
    There's no contradiction between claiming they are unimportant to mainstream politics as well claiming they impose burdens on more reasonable pro-white activism.

    But anyway, I'm wasting time talking to an incensed idiot who has expressed the desire not only to expel all Latinos from the America, but to invade Mexico for good measure. I will not waste any more time.
  168. @MMM
    Rory Calhoun: I think you are exactly right and can only conclude that those who are pushing "multiculturalism" and "cultural marxism" regardless don't care that it doesn't work for "the people". They'll continue to force it anyway and use the problems that result to their advantage. Those who want a "NWO" and unscrupulous profiteers like George Soros.

    I agree. I also have a concern for conservatives or followers of “Tradition” who mistakenly think they can fix Brown people with proper values.

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  169. Very reasonable and sensible article. And many not constructive comments.

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    fred's recent articles are touching alot of nerves. it is the kind I want to read. not pussy footing issues.

    I also like how he can write articles for and against both sides. and certain people hate him for it, I love it.
  170. So who is Fred Reed voting for? Will we find out next week or in November?
    I”m holding my breath. But just in case, I”ll bring along my own oxygen system.
    Already the circle closes.
    How does it feel to be the minority. I would not mind except for AA. It is pervasive and will cause division in the not too distant future.
    It must be repealed immediately if our country is to survive.
    Vote for Clinton or Trump but please make sure the repeal is on the next presidents mind.
    Only this will heal our nation.

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  171. I’m not a white nationalist (obviously), but to answer Fred Reed’s question, I think the only remotely practical solution is to convert Latinos (especially the whiter ones) to whites. Basically, Magyarization.

    There’s nothing logically wrong with such an approach. If a mulatto can be “black,” then certainly a mestizo can be “white.” But even a program like this would require a huge political change.

    Along with that, or maybe as a different way of looking at the same thing, we could try to forge a multiracial, American nation. David Starkey suggested something similar, to forge a multiracial English (not British!) nation. (And to anticipate the usual stupid objections: No, a multiracial ethnie/nation is not a contradiction in terms.) For instance, this would involve an emphasis on our myth of common ancestry: the Founding Fathers, etc.

    None of this is politically practical at the moment, but at least it’s politically conceivable. White nationalists are welcome to keep dreaming about their ethnostate.

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    Don't you have an ethnostate, Mr Gross?
    , @silviosilver

    None of this is politically practical at the moment, but at least it’s politically conceivable. White nationalists are welcome to keep dreaming about their ethnostate.
     
    "None of this is politically practical at the moment, but at least it's politically conceivable. Jewish zionists are welcome to keep dreaming about their ethnostate."

    Worked out quite well for your ancestors, didn't it.
  172. @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque
    Teach them English. The reference to Germans learning English/French was an unfortunate non-connection; much better would have been - Do Germans want immigrants to be able to speak German?

    When I was young, those of us going on to college had to learn French as that then was the language of commerce as English is now and so it is crucial immigrants at least learn/know theEnglish language (and hopefulyl a less tendentious history of America - how about Howard Zinn never?)

    The immigrants I know of are very hard-working, honest, and law-abiding and I have no problem with immigration from the south continuing as long as they are subjected to health exams, literacy exams, and a reasonable assessment that they possess skills/knowledge that will be an asset to America.

    Unless the far larger problem of usury is addressed and ended (Capitalism is state sponsored Usury) it is a distraction to speak about a living wage for all Americans as Capitalism is also state sponsored theft of labor via Usury.

    (Ok, nobody was speaking of that...)

    The much thornier problems to address is how to wrest control of the economy from the rentier/creditor class to liberate the debtor class; the 1% vs the 99% is real, not a fiction of the left).

    A Jubilee should be called, for everyone. Cancel all debt. Period.

    O, and it should be noted that illegal aliens working with fake IDs are contributing mightily to Social Security while not drawing it down during retirement and that may be one of, the many, reasons for open borders.

    the problem is calling them ‘Latinos’ I believe they are as American as any one else. I hate the calling of African-American, Asian American, Latinos, etc. we don’t call any one European American, Arian American, Italian American, Anglo-American, Saxon American, Irish American, etc. So who is an AMERICAN?, really? please assist me with the answer! What about we are all Americans? lets stop name calling, and accept the idea that others not pale faced like us are also Americans, and not some *****-American! A house divided against itself cannot stand! We are all together in this house called USA, and whatever happens is going to affect us all. Wake up people, stop believing in the ‘American dream” you need to be asleep in order to ‘dream’ so we stand together, of fall apart. Its your choice. Choose this day whom you will believe, the haters, and usurers, or the awaken ones, who don’t need hate to survive, but need to be alert and prudent with his/hers ability to have a critical thinking and analyze what is really going on in your neighborhood, your city, your state, and your country! So lets work together to build a better tomorrow for all our descendants.

    “You must not oppress a foreign resident; you yourselves know how it feels to be a foreigner because you were foreigners in the land of Egypt.”

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  173. @JSM
    PPPTTT.

    I have watched the "respectable conservatives" back down and back down and back down from every single thing that I value, including and most importantly, the demographic makeup of my country.

    What good have they done? None. What good has being polite gotten us? None.

    My own children are a demographic minority in the country their ancestors built.

    My son can't get a job pursuing his passion of space (and a Frontier to explore is absolutely essential to the ultimate survival of White people -- we can't live without it) because the space program is defunct due to liberals spending the money on banker bailouts -- which McCain approved of -- and funding the breeding of blacks. Why did the Left get away with spending all the space exploration money on breeding blacks? Because National Review was telling all the conservatives to watch their tone and speak respectfully.

    I'll take the "scum" who refuse to back down, who insist and insist and insist on Whites' right to live -- and namecall when necessary -- who are the genesis of the Trump Phenomenon.

    The "scum" have done more for me by making the rise of Trump possible, than all the "respectable conservatives" (who all call Trump Hitler, which he isn't, he's McKinley) put together.

    Frankly, the "scum" have become my heroes, because without them, the respectable conservatives, we could have relied on them to simply have gotten Jeb in place and the slide into oblivion accelerate.

    >My son can’t get a job pursuing his passion of space

    No offence but if your son can’t get a job in that particular area, it probably is because he doesn’t have what it takes. Either way the private sector is were innovations in space technology are going to come from in the future, have you heard of SpaceX by any chance.

    http://www.spacex.com/careers/list

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  174. @JSM
    Headscratch.

    There you were, so worried about the 1488-ers "scum" "who pollute comments threads" causing such a bad reflection on the White Nationalist cause that you said, "Nothing worthwhile can be achieved with those shitheads, nothing whatsoever."

    You were so worried, in fact, that you felt the need to make several posts about it.

    So, I *showed* you that a full-1488 blogger is having more influence than Rush and Fox News managed in two decades, is so effective that he's made possible the Trump Revolution, which you pooh-poohed.

    So I showed you, Daily Stormer is more popular on Alexa than our good host, here, which, note, YOU managed to find your way here, and now ---

    And now you sarcastically mock him as unimportant.

    So which is it? Are the 1488-ers a threat to the just cause of White continued existence, or are they simply unimportant?

    Or, is the truth something along the lines that what you are *actually* doing is dissembling because you are non-White who has a vested interest in seeing to it that White folks don't wander over to Andrew's site and read what he has to say?

    So, I *showed* you that a full-1488 blogger is having more influence than Rush and Fox News managed in two decades, is so effective that he’s made possible the Trump Revolution, which you pooh-poohed.

    Yes, JSM, you really *showed* me, lol.

    So which is it? Are the 1488-ers a threat to the just cause of White continued existence, or are they simply unimportant?

    There’s no contradiction between claiming they are unimportant to mainstream politics as well claiming they impose burdens on more reasonable pro-white activism.

    But anyway, I’m wasting time talking to an incensed idiot who has expressed the desire not only to expel all Latinos from the America, but to invade Mexico for good measure. I will not waste any more time.

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    but to invade Mexico for good measure. I will not waste any more time.\

    Headscratch...
    *Where* did I express the desire to invade Mexico?
  175. @silviosilver
    There's no question this is a serious stumbling block - quite possibly fatal - to the racial unity required if any WN initiative is to ever succeed.

    Seldom do WNs ever sound like a bigger pack of larped out loons than when attempting formulate answers to the Perennial Question: "Who is white?"

    Now, for general purposes, I don't think you can do better than "If you have to think about it, you're not." That formulation probably captures 95% of people who'd ever want to have anything to do with WN.

    WN ambitions go well beyond "general purposes," however, and it's here that the devil is really in the details.

    WN schemes for determining racial belonging are uniformly ignorant of the "problem of the margins." Their schemes are focused entirely on determining where the line should be drawn. None of them considers the main problem common to all such schemes: the treatment of, or the effects on, people just inside the line or just outside of it.

    These problem is this: if you're in, you're wholly in; if you're out, you're wholly out. People lying just outside the line - often people who very similar schemes would include comfortably inside their line - are treated as lying entirely outside of it, to be subject to same treatment as people who were never even in contention. That is, some greasy southern European is to be regarded as lying just as completely outside the circle of racial inclusion as some negroid that nobody ever thought to include. The nuances by which most people form racial judgements in their daily lives are nowhere in evidence in these binary distinctions by which WNs attempt to delineate belonging.

    My point here isn't to whine and advance my own arguments about the inclusion of southern Europeans (or anybody else). I want only to point out the insecurities that such schemes induce, and which makes them tremendously undesirable and unworkable. I contend that nobody wants to merely "scrape in." Nobody is going to sacrifice life and limb to secure the interests of a group to which he may or may not belong. Such is not the stuff of which revolutions are made.

    On the other side of the coin, there are good number of WASPs and other generic northern Europeans who feel incensed that people they consider their racial brethren - or at least racial next of kin - are subjected to such contempt. Whether this attitude arises from genuine affection or merely a desperation to secure racial allies is unimportant. It's a factor, and it is ensures that the Perennial Question is never satisfactorily answered.

    Some WN intellectuals are keenly aware of the thorny nature of the problem and therefore consider it more prudent to sidestep it than confront it head-on. There is something to be said for this approach, as it allows for a good deal more organization in the short-run. Unfortunately, it only kicks the can down the road, and in any case is fundamentally dishonest.

    Consider Greg Johnon's - a contemporary WN luminary if anyone is - magnanimous allowance that "Armenians are okay" - their participation is fine if they're idealistic enough to put up with the inevitable bullshit. Well, that's great. But what is the real world effect?

    Say Joe the Wop hears this and thinks to himself, "Well if Armenians are okay, then surely I'm a White Man in good standing!" So he goes off to some local racialist meeting to discuss how "we're" going to fight back. Only upon arriving there he encounters some white trash nutzi who, evidently knowing nothing of Greg Johnson's pronouncement, proceeds to, first, look at him funny and, second, dismissively ask what the hell he's doing there. What'll Joe do? Suck it up and stick around or curse the whole damn enterprise? Not hard to guess, is it.

    See the dishonesty there? It's not that Greg Johnson is lying. There's every likelihood he means exactly what he says. It's just that he has no way of enforcing his views on anyone, not even his own minions, and certainly not on people who've never heard of him. It's therefore misleading to present himself as having any sort of authority to pronounce on these matters.

    Posts like this always seem incomplete unless the author provides his own, supposedly superior, suggestion as to what might be done. Just like if someone claims Babe Ruth was the greatest ever baseball player, it's unseemly for me to simply answer "No he wasn't!" without proposing my own candidate for the title. Alas, that is exactly what I'm going to do.

    Your sensible response is appreciated.

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  176. @5371
    Nonsense, according to the US Census Bureau.

    Meaning, what? And, particularly, in what way is the “US Census Bureau” a legitimate authority on race in any manner whatsoever? Do please elaborate.

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    Contrary to your ignorant assertions, it never classified Italians, Irishmen etc. as anything other than white.
  177. @Berta Arnason
    Meaning, what? And, particularly, in what way is the "US Census Bureau" a legitimate authority on race in any manner whatsoever? Do please elaborate.

    Contrary to your ignorant assertions, it never classified Italians, Irishmen etc. as anything other than white.

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    and your claim is that Irish and Italians were never considered inferior in this country?

    Yes. You are ignorant, very, very ignorant.
  178. @Jason Liu
    I don't think Asians share white values. It's more that Asians don't care for the values of the host population as long as it doesn't interfere with our moneymaking.

    And in either case, it would still be better if Asians, whites, etc, lived in homogeneous ethnostates.

    It’s not “white values” it’s “American values”. Values are not determined by race.

    And the most fundamental American value is the freedom to pursue your happiness, including getting rich. That’s why there is no discernible discord between asians and whites in America.

    As to whether it would be better if Asians, Whites, Blacks etc lived in their own homogeneous states, I won’t argue with that, in fact it would remove one of the sources of friction that results from unequal average IQs among easily identifiable different groups living together.

    Still I feel the most important criteria for harmony within a country is shared fundamental values. An example of this trumping racial homogeneity is China during most of the 20th century. There was a bloody civil war when Mao took over and then brutal repression for decades – all within a racially homogeneous country, but with different cultural values – communism vs capitalism. Same happened in Russia.

    Whereas the US, with people from all over the world has been relatively peaceful internally since the civil war. The exception has been the discord with the blacks, and that, I’m convinced, is due to the significant difference in AVERAGE IQs.

    The US too, though, is starting to lose its dominant freedom culture. The left has made huge inroads the past 50 years or so, and it has pretty much taken over all the key institutions. That’s why you see such a big political divide here today. The left and right haven’t come to blows yet, but it may very well happen if the left consolidates its power and starts to brutally repress its opposition, which is already happening in colleges and the corporate world.

    Or, if Trump gets elected, we may see a resurgent of traditional American values, and the pendulum will swing the other way.

    We’ll see.

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    Whereas the US, with people from all over the world has been relatively peaceful internally since the civil war. The exception has been the discord with the blacks, and that, I’m convinced, is due to the significant difference in AVERAGE IQs.
     
    I'd say it's at least as much - and probably much more - a result of blacks constantly being fed - and feeding themselves - the lie that all their problems are the fault of white people. France and Britain both sizeable proportions of blacks but their anti-white hostility is considerably less than that of American blacks and consequently so is the racial discord in those countries.
  179. Anonymous says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Why is everyone here and at Steve sailers dancing around the issue that due to widespread race mixing, there will be no racial boundaries but more like a sliding scale of races, just like in say the Arab world or Brazil, basically there will be very few black, white, or East Asian people in America as such, but everyone will be a little bit of everything, with varying levels of skin tone, basically race will be a matter of skin tone, rather than on any reliable objective yardstick, basiacally you will have “white” people who are actually quadroons with very pale skin but slightly larger lips and slightly curly hair, and black people who are actually half Chinese or filipino, like the basketball player willie Miller. So race will become a social construct depending on how people see you and how you see yourself, rather than something that has a universally agreed upon yardstick/standard.

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  180. Anonymous says: • Website     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @silviosilver
    There's no question this is a serious stumbling block - quite possibly fatal - to the racial unity required if any WN initiative is to ever succeed.

    Seldom do WNs ever sound like a bigger pack of larped out loons than when attempting formulate answers to the Perennial Question: "Who is white?"

    Now, for general purposes, I don't think you can do better than "If you have to think about it, you're not." That formulation probably captures 95% of people who'd ever want to have anything to do with WN.

    WN ambitions go well beyond "general purposes," however, and it's here that the devil is really in the details.

    WN schemes for determining racial belonging are uniformly ignorant of the "problem of the margins." Their schemes are focused entirely on determining where the line should be drawn. None of them considers the main problem common to all such schemes: the treatment of, or the effects on, people just inside the line or just outside of it.

    These problem is this: if you're in, you're wholly in; if you're out, you're wholly out. People lying just outside the line - often people who very similar schemes would include comfortably inside their line - are treated as lying entirely outside of it, to be subject to same treatment as people who were never even in contention. That is, some greasy southern European is to be regarded as lying just as completely outside the circle of racial inclusion as some negroid that nobody ever thought to include. The nuances by which most people form racial judgements in their daily lives are nowhere in evidence in these binary distinctions by which WNs attempt to delineate belonging.

    My point here isn't to whine and advance my own arguments about the inclusion of southern Europeans (or anybody else). I want only to point out the insecurities that such schemes induce, and which makes them tremendously undesirable and unworkable. I contend that nobody wants to merely "scrape in." Nobody is going to sacrifice life and limb to secure the interests of a group to which he may or may not belong. Such is not the stuff of which revolutions are made.

    On the other side of the coin, there are good number of WASPs and other generic northern Europeans who feel incensed that people they consider their racial brethren - or at least racial next of kin - are subjected to such contempt. Whether this attitude arises from genuine affection or merely a desperation to secure racial allies is unimportant. It's a factor, and it is ensures that the Perennial Question is never satisfactorily answered.

    Some WN intellectuals are keenly aware of the thorny nature of the problem and therefore consider it more prudent to sidestep it than confront it head-on. There is something to be said for this approach, as it allows for a good deal more organization in the short-run. Unfortunately, it only kicks the can down the road, and in any case is fundamentally dishonest.

    Consider Greg Johnon's - a contemporary WN luminary if anyone is - magnanimous allowance that "Armenians are okay" - their participation is fine if they're idealistic enough to put up with the inevitable bullshit. Well, that's great. But what is the real world effect?

    Say Joe the Wop hears this and thinks to himself, "Well if Armenians are okay, then surely I'm a White Man in good standing!" So he goes off to some local racialist meeting to discuss how "we're" going to fight back. Only upon arriving there he encounters some white trash nutzi who, evidently knowing nothing of Greg Johnson's pronouncement, proceeds to, first, look at him funny and, second, dismissively ask what the hell he's doing there. What'll Joe do? Suck it up and stick around or curse the whole damn enterprise? Not hard to guess, is it.

    See the dishonesty there? It's not that Greg Johnson is lying. There's every likelihood he means exactly what he says. It's just that he has no way of enforcing his views on anyone, not even his own minions, and certainly not on people who've never heard of him. It's therefore misleading to present himself as having any sort of authority to pronounce on these matters.

    Posts like this always seem incomplete unless the author provides his own, supposedly superior, suggestion as to what might be done. Just like if someone claims Babe Ruth was the greatest ever baseball player, it's unseemly for me to simply answer "No he wasn't!" without proposing my own candidate for the title. Alas, that is exactly what I'm going to do.

    Well the alternative to having a fixed standard based on dna exams is that people like George zimmerman and Anwar sadat are considered white, as for Arabs, turks, and Armenians, more than a few agree that a case by case basis should apply so that some small percentage of the population are suitable for being made white, based on dna results, just like the nazis considered that some parts of the slavic population can be germanized.

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    That's all very well, but you would first need to come to power to implement that scheme. And you're simply not going to come to power if enough people view your scheme as unworkable or unfair. That is the dilemma that I see.
  181. @silviosilver

    White people want the foreigners gone, except for the Good Ones. So let the Good Ones stay.
     
    The 'Good Ones' don't exactly wear signs on their foreheads making them easy to identify, you know.

    Surely you can see that if even a hardass like yourself is already backing away from wholesale deportation, such a plan would be many times harder for much less racially committed whites to support.

    In the final analysis, it comes down to the fact that to implement your policy you need power. To get power you need support. And to get support people have to agree with your ideas. If people don't agree with your ideas - and nothing you try succeeds in getting them to - then you're shit out of luck.

    I’m not backing away from mass deportation. Mass deportation does not 100% expulsion of everyone with a trace of Indio or had a Spanish-speaking grandmother. Even the Nazis did not kill Germans with only one Jewish grandparent. Shipping 30 million Mexicans out of 40 million is still mass deportation.

    I do advocate the expulsion of all illegals, all amnestied illegals, all naturalized non-Whites, all anchor babies, anyone of Mexican or any other non-White descent with anything less than a squeaky clean record, and all racial activists. That will take care of most if not all of the problem.

    “Good Ones” is a term of mockery, as in “Not all Mexicans are like that, I know a good one”. (NAMALT & IKAGO) Sorry if the jest was unintelligible.

    I know that there is not yet support for mass deportation, but that can change. I do not believe that a country up to its ears in unpayable debt can pull off this high wire act indefinitely. I think there will be a very great fall, and millions of once middle class accountants and lawyers and doctors and engineers will line up on the side of the discarded working class Whites. That is when the pot will come to a full boil. Until then, I will try to get the ideas out where the soon-to-be discarded Americans can see and perhaps absorb them.

    If it turns out that Wall Street and D.C. can kick the can down the road for another 50 years, then I am wrong.

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  182. @silviosilver
    Oh I agree with that. "Benign neglect" is the way people generally treat other under conditions of mass multiracial multiculturalism. Oftentimes it's a relief to encounter mere superficiality when it's something far more threatening you were expecting.

    Still, this is a far cry from the kind of outright hostility and loathing that WNs have commonly contended must characterize (domestic and international) race-relations. I think if mainstream society would back off its insane anti-whitism you'd find more to appreciate about this achievement.

    The outright hostility and loathing come when Whites are allotted an even smaller share of a shrinking pie. Right now I can, with effort, keep away from Chinese, Iranians, Russians and other groups that think honesty is for suckers. What happens when you can’t avoid being cheated because you can’t avoid the cheaters?

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    I have transacted plenty of business with Chinese. It's far and away been the foreign-born who have tried to pull fast ones (some really breathtaking). Assimilated Chinese have on average been about as honest as anyone else. Alas, there will probably be far fewer truly assimilated ones in the future, as they are able to live out their lives in the comfort of their Chinese enclaves without ever having much exposure to the relative honesty of the white man's ways. Still, I do not believe it will be quite as horrible as you seem to expect.
  183. @RadicalCenter
    Dude, we live in L.A. and you either have poor vision or much, much different standards of beauty. You are certainly not describing the Mexican and Mexican-"American" "women" here, city or suburbs, or across CA, AZ, NM, and CO in our experience. The women often outweigh their husbands, and it is difficult to imagine that someone slept with these trolls even when they were young.

    Hey, they may be morbidly obese and tough on the eyes, but at least they're often unpleasant and not real bright.

    I’m from Los Angeles too. I used to teach Mexicans. A lot of the girls peak at 14, some even at 13. Most Mexican women are gorditas by their late twenties. I have also noticed the slender few. They are often smart and tough as well, and seem to carry themselves as aristocrats, even if they were Mestiza. Most of the best Mexican teachers I worked with were like that.

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    That implies the weakness of their men. Women who fear the loss of their men do not fatten up.
    , @RadicalCenter
    They're fat fucking tubs of lard by age 16, dude, not their late twenties. They waddle. But again, at least they're stupid and impolite.
  184. @Aaron Gross
    I'm not a white nationalist (obviously), but to answer Fred Reed's question, I think the only remotely practical solution is to convert Latinos (especially the whiter ones) to whites. Basically, Magyarization.

    There's nothing logically wrong with such an approach. If a mulatto can be "black," then certainly a mestizo can be "white." But even a program like this would require a huge political change.

    Along with that, or maybe as a different way of looking at the same thing, we could try to forge a multiracial, American nation. David Starkey suggested something similar, to forge a multiracial English (not British!) nation. (And to anticipate the usual stupid objections: No, a multiracial ethnie/nation is not a contradiction in terms.) For instance, this would involve an emphasis on our myth of common ancestry: the Founding Fathers, etc.

    None of this is politically practical at the moment, but at least it's politically conceivable. White nationalists are welcome to keep dreaming about their ethnostate.

    Don’t you have an ethnostate, Mr Gross?

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  185. My comment is the only one that is relevant. Don’t feed Unz’s professional trolls.

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  186. War for Blair Mountain [AKA "Groovy Battle for Blair Mountain"] says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Anonymous
    Go back home to Ireland. Irish descended people have no right or reason to be in America.

    ANON

    That’s just another way of saying:Democratic Party Voting Bloc Nonwhite Identity Politics on LA RAZA Steroids full speed ahead!!!!….But I won’t give Whitey permission to do they same.

    Well, we don’t need your permission to engage in full-blown NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN RACIAL INDENTITY POLITICS!!!!

    The Mexican Invaders in California used force and violence to drive Native Born White American Construction Workers out of Southern California….and that’s not the only place where this has happened…They used force and violence to drive Native Born White American Construction Workers out of Montauk…East Hampton….and South Hampton…Greenport now annexed by Mexico….Stawberry Fields soccer fields just outside Greenport now has MA-13 Neo-Inca gang warfare….

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    No it's another way of saying go back home to Ireland. 'Tis over, the Potato Famine is.
  187. @Colleen Pater
    look while their are plenty of decent blacks the average black and hispanic IQ is 85 so there is never going to be equality or peace and good blacks / hispanics do not always have good kids are relatives so you end up with good blacks moving away from bad blacks to white neighborhood and in 30 years its a slum not only do bad relatives move in but bad children are born and even when not bad they stupid and promiscuous and all the other bad genetic traits. so yeah it really sucks to be a huxtable -not my problem

    You are generally correct, it is not our problem. But the elites insist on making it our problem, especially when they promote myths like white privilege, which implies that we have lives without struggle. Included in that implication is the message that everything whites achieved is through misbegotten gains that was somehow stolen from the black man.
    My point is that without leftist interference we would have imposed universal standards of behavior that everyone should follow (including if you have low IQ; low IQ is not an automatic determinant of being a criminal; that is usually reserved for the Narcissistic/Machiavellian/Sociopaths/Psychopaths & antisocial). Eventually the cream would have risen to the top instead of the affirmative action nonsense we have today. Added to this is not coddling violent felons just because they are black.
    This would have promoted social stability in the long run. It is not our problem, the elites created this mess, but it was to all our benefit if universal standards of correct behavior was imposed upon them, instead of the elitist pandering we have today.

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  188. I think there needs to be a definition, as iron clad as is possible as to is to be considered white or not, before a white state is even set up, otherwise trying to determine the standards after it is set up will just lead to chaos, however accepting quarter Asians and quadroons just because they may pass for white will even make a mockery of what it means to be white eventually, because how is race not a social construct if even quarter Asians can be regarded as white as long as they can pass for white.

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    The longer we wait to impose such a regime, the greater will be the need to accept people who are at least half white European (such as my children, who are Filipino and just over half white European).

    I propose that anyone with any substantial African genes/appearance be deported or excluded. ANY.

    People who are half or more white, with the remainder Asian, should be accepted and allowed to stay.
  189. Anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment

    Breaking news (not really):
    Mexico thinks of building wall on its southern border, to stem immigration from central America.

    Makes one think that Mexicans and non-Mexican Mexico fanatics are peers in mastery of double-standards.

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  190. @Discard
    I suppose there are people who blame illegals for being illegals, but anyone I talk to knows that the blame lies with the cheap labor and the multi-cult lobbies. My guess is that those who blame the illegals exclusively must get their news from the MSM or its domesticated right wing. If anyone is scapegoating the wetbacks, it's the powerful. Better to let Jose take the rap than Wall street and Harvard.

    You said better than I, with a lot fewer words than I did. It is our elites basically divided into the corporatist republicans who represent the cheap labor interest; and the socialist democrats who represent the multicultural interest. And they cooperate with each other as needed, and when that happens we are the ones who usually suffer. The democrat party died with JFK, and the republican party died with Reagan. We are now stuck with the narcissistic baby boomers running the show, who practice a lifestyle of limousine liberalism. In addition we are going to be stuck with the burden of their unproductive spoiled children who believe that there is such a thing as a free lunch.
    In the old days the two parties agreed on the problems, but disagreed on the solutions. Today we as a nation cannot even agree what our problems are. That is because if leftist acknowledged the problems, they would have to acknowledge that their programs are a failure.

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  191. @Discard
    White people who may not want their Mexican son-in-law deported still do not want their local schools flooded with with his countrymen. White people want the foreigners gone, except for the Good Ones. So let the Good Ones stay.
    The smarter Mestizos can and do marry up, into White families, be they American White or Mexican White. They are not the problem. I grew up with Mexicans who acted pretty much like us. Same neighborhoods, same sorts of jobs, same sorts of problems. They were assimilated.

    Furthermore, many Whites are not happy with the families of their new in-laws. They may like the high achiever their child married, but not his many cholo cousins. They will have no reason to oppose deportation of illegals, lawbreakers, and a progressively widening circle of undesirables.

    The boiling frog simile works both ways.

    Poor lefties….

    “In a clear attempt to become the next OkCupid/How About We, AYI analyzed data from 2.4 million interactions from its user base to figure out what races got the most responses on their site and if the results are to be believed, they are somewhat unsurprisingly depressing. The site found that Asian women get messaged the most by all men except for Asian men, who like Hispanic women best. ”

    http://jezebel.com/asian-women-get-the-most-attention-when-online-dating-1458718768

    Something Steve Sailor already told us years ago.

    Looks to me the best way to solve our race problem is with a few more Asians. White men will have increase options with Asian women while Asian men will help to assimilate Hispanics. Hispanics have the balls and Asians have the brains. We can’t survive as a white majority state. As much as I would want to like Europeans, too many of them are self hating and pathologically altruistic( well offering up others for sacrifice ofcourse). All we need is a nation we can live in. Numbers don’t matter. Its the quality that counts. Even though its a false narrative, the propaganda war of slavery has defeated the US as we know it. What need is there for the idiot masses of any race? The US is nothing but a self loathing culture. Black fail and whites feel guilty about it. Its not ever going to work.

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  192. @Discard
    I'm from Los Angeles too. I used to teach Mexicans. A lot of the girls peak at 14, some even at 13. Most Mexican women are gorditas by their late twenties. I have also noticed the slender few. They are often smart and tough as well, and seem to carry themselves as aristocrats, even if they were Mestiza. Most of the best Mexican teachers I worked with were like that.

    That implies the weakness of their men. Women who fear the loss of their men do not fatten up.

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  193. @Anonymous
    Well the alternative to having a fixed standard based on dna exams is that people like George zimmerman and Anwar sadat are considered white, as for Arabs, turks, and Armenians, more than a few agree that a case by case basis should apply so that some small percentage of the population are suitable for being made white, based on dna results, just like the nazis considered that some parts of the slavic population can be germanized.

    That’s all very well, but you would first need to come to power to implement that scheme. And you’re simply not going to come to power if enough people view your scheme as unworkable or unfair. That is the dilemma that I see.

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  194. @Aquila
    It's not "white values" it's "American values". Values are not determined by race.

    And the most fundamental American value is the freedom to pursue your happiness, including getting rich. That's why there is no discernible discord between asians and whites in America.

    As to whether it would be better if Asians, Whites, Blacks etc lived in their own homogeneous states, I won't argue with that, in fact it would remove one of the sources of friction that results from unequal average IQs among easily identifiable different groups living together.

    Still I feel the most important criteria for harmony within a country is shared fundamental values. An example of this trumping racial homogeneity is China during most of the 20th century. There was a bloody civil war when Mao took over and then brutal repression for decades - all within a racially homogeneous country, but with different cultural values - communism vs capitalism. Same happened in Russia.

    Whereas the US, with people from all over the world has been relatively peaceful internally since the civil war. The exception has been the discord with the blacks, and that, I'm convinced, is due to the significant difference in AVERAGE IQs.

    The US too, though, is starting to lose its dominant freedom culture. The left has made huge inroads the past 50 years or so, and it has pretty much taken over all the key institutions. That's why you see such a big political divide here today. The left and right haven't come to blows yet, but it may very well happen if the left consolidates its power and starts to brutally repress its opposition, which is already happening in colleges and the corporate world.

    Or, if Trump gets elected, we may see a resurgent of traditional American values, and the pendulum will swing the other way.

    We'll see.

    Whereas the US, with people from all over the world has been relatively peaceful internally since the civil war. The exception has been the discord with the blacks, and that, I’m convinced, is due to the significant difference in AVERAGE IQs.

    I’d say it’s at least as much – and probably much more – a result of blacks constantly being fed – and feeding themselves – the lie that all their problems are the fault of white people. France and Britain both sizeable proportions of blacks but their anti-white hostility is considerably less than that of American blacks and consequently so is the racial discord in those countries.

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    their anti-white hostility is considerably less than that of American blacks and consequently so is the racial discord in those countries.
     
    You really ought to opine about stuff you actually know about.
  195. @Aaron Gross
    I'm not a white nationalist (obviously), but to answer Fred Reed's question, I think the only remotely practical solution is to convert Latinos (especially the whiter ones) to whites. Basically, Magyarization.

    There's nothing logically wrong with such an approach. If a mulatto can be "black," then certainly a mestizo can be "white." But even a program like this would require a huge political change.

    Along with that, or maybe as a different way of looking at the same thing, we could try to forge a multiracial, American nation. David Starkey suggested something similar, to forge a multiracial English (not British!) nation. (And to anticipate the usual stupid objections: No, a multiracial ethnie/nation is not a contradiction in terms.) For instance, this would involve an emphasis on our myth of common ancestry: the Founding Fathers, etc.

    None of this is politically practical at the moment, but at least it's politically conceivable. White nationalists are welcome to keep dreaming about their ethnostate.

    None of this is politically practical at the moment, but at least it’s politically conceivable. White nationalists are welcome to keep dreaming about their ethnostate.

    “None of this is politically practical at the moment, but at least it’s politically conceivable. Jewish zionists are welcome to keep dreaming about their ethnostate.”

    Worked out quite well for your ancestors, didn’t it.

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  196. @utu
    Very reasonable and sensible article. And many not constructive comments.

    fred’s recent articles are touching alot of nerves. it is the kind I want to read. not pussy footing issues.

    I also like how he can write articles for and against both sides. and certain people hate him for it, I love it.

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  197. @Discard
    The outright hostility and loathing come when Whites are allotted an even smaller share of a shrinking pie. Right now I can, with effort, keep away from Chinese, Iranians, Russians and other groups that think honesty is for suckers. What happens when you can't avoid being cheated because you can't avoid the cheaters?

    I have transacted plenty of business with Chinese. It’s far and away been the foreign-born who have tried to pull fast ones (some really breathtaking). Assimilated Chinese have on average been about as honest as anyone else. Alas, there will probably be far fewer truly assimilated ones in the future, as they are able to live out their lives in the comfort of their Chinese enclaves without ever having much exposure to the relative honesty of the white man’s ways. Still, I do not believe it will be quite as horrible as you seem to expect.

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    In addition to living in their own enclaves, they will establish outposts wherever they work with Whites. A faculty committee here, a working group there, a cultural outreach program on the taxpayers' dime, all of it supported by the anti-White narrative. All these peoples will push, push, push, because that's what they do, even amongst their own. Low trust, in-group morality, and the conviction that stupid Whites have it coming will guide their actions.
    , @RadicalCenter
    City of Alhambra, California. Yes, it will be just as bad as we expect. The Chinese are untrustworthy, ruthless, amoral scumbags.
  198. “So, what do nationalists propose? ”

    I respond:

    Here are some modest proposals:

    Freedom of association, we can have our own schools, our own radio and TV stations our own music festivals.

    An end, or seriously reduced defamation of our people by TV, Hollywood, academia. The Jews have the ADL, we need organizations that are similar for us so we don’t have our Christmas Days spoiled by Quentin Tarantino and the Weinstein Brothers doing mass Christmas Day openings of anti White, anti European, anti Christ hate porn movies like D Jango Unchained.

    As for the millions of illegals, Latrinos….

    Birth control Si.
    Amnesty No.

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    "Freedom of association, we can have our own schools, our own radio and TV stations our own music festivals."

    If you want to start a radio station and play white music 24 hours a day, or have a concert with all white acts, who is stopping you?

    No! I have a better idea, why don't you just come on this website 5 minutes a week and whine about how THEY won't let you?

    "An end, or seriously reduced defamation of our people by TV, Hollywood, academia..."

    Do you own a TV?

    Do you watch movies?

    OK; then you art of the problem, now ain't ya', Sunn?
  199. @Mick Jagger gathers no Mosque
    Teach them English. The reference to Germans learning English/French was an unfortunate non-connection; much better would have been - Do Germans want immigrants to be able to speak German?

    When I was young, those of us going on to college had to learn French as that then was the language of commerce as English is now and so it is crucial immigrants at least learn/know theEnglish language (and hopefulyl a less tendentious history of America - how about Howard Zinn never?)

    The immigrants I know of are very hard-working, honest, and law-abiding and I have no problem with immigration from the south continuing as long as they are subjected to health exams, literacy exams, and a reasonable assessment that they possess skills/knowledge that will be an asset to America.

    Unless the far larger problem of usury is addressed and ended (Capitalism is state sponsored Usury) it is a distraction to speak about a living wage for all Americans as Capitalism is also state sponsored theft of labor via Usury.

    (Ok, nobody was speaking of that...)

    The much thornier problems to address is how to wrest control of the economy from the rentier/creditor class to liberate the debtor class; the 1% vs the 99% is real, not a fiction of the left).

    A Jubilee should be called, for everyone. Cancel all debt. Period.

    O, and it should be noted that illegal aliens working with fake IDs are contributing mightily to Social Security while not drawing it down during retirement and that may be one of, the many, reasons for open borders.

    “The immigrants I know of are very hard-working, honest, and law-abiding and I have no problem with immigration from the south continuing as long as they are subjected to health exams, literacy exams, and a reasonable assessment that they possess skills/knowledge that will be an asset to America.”

    I respond:

    Ok, that sounds reasonable.

    But the reality is that none of these precautions are being done – we’ve got basically open borders immigration from Central American and the entire Islamic 3rd world.

    Look at photos and videos of tens of thousands of Central Americans riding freight trains across all of Mexico to come here.

    We’re importing Ebola, Zika, TB and soon bubonic plague.

    The worst part is Libertarian Loons like Gary Johnson, Ron and Rand Paul insist we can not have any restrictions on immigration, none.

    “Thou Shalt have Open Borders”

    The Wall Street Journal wrote that insane treasonous editorial every July 4th in the 1980s.

    ISIS knows this.

    Why can’t regular Americans like you understand this?

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    "The reality is that none of these precautions are being done".

    That is always the case. Cause the problem first, cast about for solutions later, and institute the solutions never.
  200. @silviosilver
    I have transacted plenty of business with Chinese. It's far and away been the foreign-born who have tried to pull fast ones (some really breathtaking). Assimilated Chinese have on average been about as honest as anyone else. Alas, there will probably be far fewer truly assimilated ones in the future, as they are able to live out their lives in the comfort of their Chinese enclaves without ever having much exposure to the relative honesty of the white man's ways. Still, I do not believe it will be quite as horrible as you seem to expect.

    In addition to living in their own enclaves, they will establish outposts wherever they work with Whites. A faculty committee here, a working group there, a cultural outreach program on the taxpayers’ dime, all of it supported by the anti-White narrative. All these peoples will push, push, push, because that’s what they do, even amongst their own. Low trust, in-group morality, and the conviction that stupid Whites have it coming will guide their actions.

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  201. @jack ryan
    "The immigrants I know of are very hard-working, honest, and law-abiding and I have no problem with immigration from the south continuing as long as they are subjected to health exams, literacy exams, and a reasonable assessment that they possess skills/knowledge that will be an asset to America."

    I respond:

    Ok, that sounds reasonable.

    But the reality is that none of these precautions are being done - we've got basically open borders immigration from Central American and the entire Islamic 3rd world.

    Look at photos and videos of tens of thousands of Central Americans riding freight trains across all of Mexico to come here.

    We're importing Ebola, Zika, TB and soon bubonic plague.

    The worst part is Libertarian Loons like Gary Johnson, Ron and Rand Paul insist we can not have any restrictions on immigration, none.

    "Thou Shalt have Open Borders"

    The Wall Street Journal wrote that insane treasonous editorial every July 4th in the 1980s.

    ISIS knows this.

    Why can't regular Americans like you understand this?

    “The reality is that none of these precautions are being done”.

    That is always the case. Cause the problem first, cast about for solutions later, and institute the solutions never.

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  202. @Nico

    You also fail to recognize the racial hierarcy in Mexico.
     
    I too have long been curious to understand the cat that's got the usually astute Fred's tongue when it comes to the mestizo and mulatto spectra.

    Fred apparently couldn’t get a real woman, so now he is so pussy-whipped by his retarded indio wife that he makes every absurd excuse for the Mexican invasion and colonization of my country.

    I say “my” country because clearly Reed does not consider America to be HIS country.

    Fuck you, Fred, stay in Mexico, and die ASAP.

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  203. @KenH
    Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems Freddy is putting the onus on white nationalists for strained relations with Latinos when white nationalism emerged partly as a reaction to the invasion of our nation by them and their endless demands for special rights and privileges similar to the insufferable and perpetually angry negro. And Fred overlooks the fact that we aren't getting the best and brightest of Mexican society and that mestizos have the highest welfare rates of any racial group in America, so they aren't coming here because they revere limited government and the Constitution.

    However, America can’t be completely white, or even close. The time for that idea is long past. The practical question becomes: What now?
     
    Freedom of association which means whites can discriminate against non-whites and vice versa or racial partition. This will lead to whitopias but the Jewish occupation government will never allow this which ensures a future of conflict and bloodshed.

    What do you recommend doing with, about, for, or to the tens of millions of legal Latinos? What specifically, and how do you propose doing it?
     
    Making them ineligible for any government benefits, such as welfare, food stamps and medicaid, or affirmative action as they are now. The freebies are a magnet that attracts them, even some of the Mexicans who immigrated "legally".

    My answer would be: Try to make legal Latinos into productive citizens, which should not be terribly hard. Leaving them alone, and not allowing governments to turn them into a welfare class, would probably do the trick. If nationalists have a better idea, or another idea, I would be happy to consider it.
     
    There's nothing stopping Latinos from getting off the dole and rejecting politicians who race bait and entice them with freebies. Put some of the blame on them.

    Since tens of millions of Latinos are in the country, and are going to stay, it might be wise to seek at least a modus vivendi and an amicable relationship, and better, assimilation, rather than needlessly encourage hostile relations.
     
    Please go lecture La Raza, MEChA, Louis Gutierrez and countless other Latino race hustlers.

    Unless the desire is to keep them out of the middle class. Is it?
     
    No Bernie Sanders, it's not. There's nothing stopping Latinos from entering the middle class given all the affirmative action and race preferences in college admissions and job hiring. The only thing stopping them is their own DNA and antagonism towards Anglo culture.

    Do white nationalists propose to encourage assimilation? How? Discourage it? How? Let nature take its course?
     
    No, as that would create Brazil. Moreover, Latinos don't want to assimilate, at least not more than they have to and wish to preserve their language and culture. In essence they want to re-create Mexico inside America and want the benefits of America without the white people. Letting nature take its course will invariably lead to racial separation and ethnostates in most cases but this "free" nation of ours forbids us, at least whites, from making those decisions and determining their own future.

    Do white nationalists favor teaching Latino kids English in the schools, or not doing so? Should white children be allowed, or required, to learn to speak Spanish?
     
    Absolutely Latino kids should learn English if they live here, but Latino race hustlers and the liberals decry this as Anglo cultural imperialism. White children can learn Spanish if they freely choose to do so, but should not be forced to to accommodate Latino immigrants/invaders.

    Is assimilation possible? I think so, eventually anyway, but we shall see. I do know that if (a) Latinos, already probably twenty per cent of the population, become ghettoized, isolated, hostile and dysfunctional, the United States is over, fini, done, and (b) constant attacks on them as Latinos tend to lead to this end.
     
    Perhaps Latinos shouldn't commit so much crime and ghettoize themselves. Perhaps they should stop supporting Latino politicians who are brown race nationalists. Put the onus on them, Freddy.

    It seems Fred thinks amity between whites and Latinos is possible, but whites must agree to terms dictated by Latinos which is surrender, not modus vivendi. This will only drive more fence sitting whites to embrace white nationalism.

    Fred is a pussy and a traitor.

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    • Replies: @Truth
    "Fred is a pussy and a traitor."

    Now that's a little harsh, Bro; we don't know for sure that Fred's a pussy.