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I’m going to break something. Or maybe kick the dog.

Sometimes it seems to me that I am the only gringo on this whole sorry planet who does not think Mexicans are scum–filthy, perverted, and witless. They are not, dammit. If you want to criticize Mexico, stick to facts, such as that it is corrupt to the roots of its teeth and terribly governed, that the narcos are out of control, the police criminals, and that it qualifies as a failed state by some (reasonable) definitions. And they play loud music at three a.m. during fiestas. All of this is true.

But spare me the twaddle. In fact, spare everybody the twaddle. No matter who does what, there are going to be a lots of Mexicans in the US, or more correctly American citizens of Mexican descent. Maybe the public ought to have an accurate idea of them. But no. We get twaddle, chiefly from sites like vDare, from groups calling themselves the Human Bio-diversity (hbd) movement, and from Ann (“Legs”) Coulter. Example:

Juarez Monument, Mexico City, from the site Those Who Can See, a typical Roaring Right hbd site.

Juarez Monument, Mexico City, from the site Those Who Can See, a typical Roaring Right hbd site.

Well, I concede that the photo is pretty shocking. What sort of people would leave mounds of garbage on the grounds of their national monuments?

Since this pile of trash bore no resemblance to anything I had seen in Mexico (where I have lived for thirteen years), I spent fifteen seconds with Google Images and found dozens of photos of the monument with no trash. How was this, I wondered? Photoshop? Political HBDers are capable of it.

Juarez Monument, from Google Images
Juarez Monument, from Google Images

One photo however did show trash. Since the garbage photo by-line said NPR, it took another fifteen seconds on Google to turn up an NPR story on how a snafu in the closing of a landfill in the city had led to a brief pile-up of trash. (Wrote NPR, “Closure Of Massive Landfill Leaves Trash Piling Up In Mexico City … The trash buildup reminds us of what happened in New York City, when it suspended trash collection in January after a massive winter storm dumped more than two feet of snow on the city.”)

Deliberate misrepresentation. A better word is “lying.” There is much of this in such venues.

In this year alone I have been in Chapala (where I live), Ajijic (next door, take a peek at these), Guadalajara, Arandas, Jamay, Durango, Aguas Calientes, Zacatecas, La Paz, Merida, Guanajuato,Mazatlan, Puerto Vallarta, and literally a couple of dozen other towns and cities. There was nothing resembling the photo.

An equally typical American city (Detroit)
An equally typical American city (Detroit)

In similar sites, I read of Mexican school-children in places like Los Angeles as being violent, incapable of learning, and dirty. Maybe so. I haven’t been there. But in town after town here I see well-behaved kids in school uniforms carrying book bags. In hbd sites I read of Mexican children in the US being left in dirty diapers and generally neglected. Could be. I haven’t been there. But the Mexican norm is great fondness for kids. You can find some of anything in a big country, but I have never seen a dirty diaper here. On the street or on a kid.

As mentioned, vDare is another site subscribing to the principle that it doesn’t have to be true as long as it feels good. The vDaristas are against massive immigration, which is fine with me, but a little honesty might season the broth.

Briefly, so as not to bore the reader into a coma: Some time ago Ann Coulter, a political steam whistle who serves as the Michael Moore of the Disturbed Right, was saying that the “age of consent” in Mexico is twelve. What a horrible country: See? Screwing little girls is legal. This is very much a tactic of the lumpen-hbd: attribute sexually revolting behavior to anyone you don’t like. Coulter’s assertions appeared all over the web.

This, like the trash story, struck me as nonsense. Mexico until recently was a traditional society in which the upper classes, who put a high premium on virginity of females at marriage, made the laws. Hidalgos do not pass laws making it legal for the gardener to screw their children. Coulter’s grasp of the world seems to end at the Jersey border.

I got on the horn and spoke to Aracele Diaz, a university classmate of Violeta and a practicing attorney in Guadalajara. That’s crazy, she said. I next went to Francisca, another classmate, who works in human-rights in Jalisco. That’s crazy, she said, and emailed me the law. I then talked to Marta Villareal, also professionally active in human rights and an ardent feminist in the American mold. If screwing little girls of twelve were legal, you wouldn’t need Coulter to tell you about it. Marta’s shrieks would shatter the polar ice-caps. “It’s not true. They don’t understand the law….”

A reporter would have checked (maybe a call to the Mexican Embassy? I believe telephones have reached New York) but vDare doesn’t care and Coulter isn’t a reporter. (If I were rude, which I emphatically am not, I would say that if she were a trilobite, she would have her encephalon in her pygidium. But she isn’t a trilobite.)

Miss Coulter’s er, legs, in which she apparently believes that the public has great interest. A woman in her mid-fifties, which she is, who tries to look like a prom queen is clearly an attention-junkie, which may explain her disregard of truth.
Miss Coulter’s er, legs, in which she apparently believes that the public has great interest. A woman in her mid-fifties, which she is, who tries to look like a prom queen is clearly an attention-junkie, which may explain her disregard of truth.

OK. Thinking that vDare might lapse into veracity if I rubbed its nose in it, I found the actual Mexican law on the internet (a few minutes), posted it, translated it as I doubted that many vDaristas could read it, and included links. Hey, gang. Wake up. See? Here it is. Right here.

To this day vDare still insists that the age sigh. Useless. It’s like instructing a cinder block in geometry. The appalling thing is that the yoyo who wrote the insistence doesn’t even know what “age of consent” means. It’s the schools. They’re going to hell.

Then there is the insistence among the lumpen-pseudo-hbders that Mexicans are inherently mega-criminal. This is now so firmly embedded on the internet that any question of it is regarded as a mark of insanity. Is it true?

ORDER IT NOW

The Mexican cartels are certainly neck-deep in the drug trade and kill each other enthusiastically, much like the Italian Mafia (which, by the way, still exists and is still Italian). Further, with at least 54,000,000 Latinos in the US, you can certainly find enough rapists to fill a web page.

Howsomever, I find (the very conservative) Heather Mac Donald of the Manhattan Institute, who analyzed data from the Department of Justice. (New DOJ Statistics on Race and Violent Crime | American Renaissance) In the past, the feds have lumped Hispanics and white offenders together, making it impossible to tell who was doing how much of what to whom. Mac Donald, note, is a conservative and no advocate of open borders. She found that Hispanics are 26% more likely that whites to commit a violent crime. Hardly admirable, but hardly a crime wave. Since she has opposed immigration she cannot easily be suspected of dodgy analysis.

The same conclusion was reached by Ron Unz, the best numerical analyst of my acquaintance, in The American Conservative, a magazine that is not for massive immigration. The piece, though long, is very well worth reading if you are interested in the subject. What it comes to is that if you look at the data, they do not say what the politico-lumpen-pseudos want them to say. His conclusion closely mirrored Mac Donald’s.

And now we have Coulter “When it comes to child rape, the whole family gets involved. (They are family-oriented!)” Coulter writes. “Far from ‘I am woman, hear me roar,’ these are cultures where women help the men rape kids.”

Yes, Miss Goebbels. And they eat human flesh. I will now go and kick the dog, who seems to be in hiding.

(Republished from Fred on Everything by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Tom_R says:

    THE AGE OF CONSENT IN MEXICO UNDER FEDERAL LAW IS INDEED 12.

    Fred, looks like you are visiting this old story where you accused (incorrectly) Ann Coulter, an attorney, of saying that the age of consent in Mexico is 12.

    Well, Fred, it is indeed 12 in Mexico and Ann Coulter is correct as several of us stated in the comments here last time.

    Wikipedia states:

    “The federal law establishes the age of 12 as the minimum age of consent….”

    at:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America#Legislative_framework

    Your personal attacks on Ms. Coulter’s legs are uncalled for. Just because a woman wears a skirt that does not mean whatever she says is wrong.

  2. Summarizing:

    ”Many mexicans are not so good people, but it doesn’t mean that ALL mexicans will be like that”

    And bad government still worst the situation.

  3. Svigor says:

    Hey Fred, why don’t you write up a long rant about the lies Mexicans tell about “gringos”? Busy your hands with better work.

    There are already legions of people doing what you’re doing, and precious few informing the world about the unfair criticism Mexicans level at “gringos.”

    • Agree: AndrewR
    • Replies: @AndrewR
  4. WGG [AKA "World\'s Greatest Grandson"] says:

    The appeal for smart and aware white Americans like Reed to couple with Mexicans is as follows. First, an all around 4 white man can probably only get an all around 4 white woman, but may very well get a 5 or a 6 Mexican woman. Still, she will have many stupid and uncouth habits like the white woman- but- the American cuck won’t be able to tell it. Many ugly behaviors could be chalked up to foreignness without the ender-of-millennia-of-phenotypes being able to tell it and thereby be annoyed. I suspect marrying a mongoloid might work the same way?

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
    , @Son of Dixie
  5. Jim says:

    Fred, the violence of the Mexican drug gangs goes far beyond anything that the Mafia did. I’m not saying that the Mafia was not capable of violence but nothing like the indiscriminate slaughter perpetuated by the Mexican drug gangs.

  6. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Every Mexican that crosses the border to the U.S. , legal or illegal, announces to the world that Mexico is a shit hole that they
    can’t get far enough away from.
    Don’t need Ann to tell us that. Mexicans tell us that by their actions.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  7. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    I think it’s primarily economic migration, like much of the European emigration of the 20th century.

  8. Showing a picture of run-down Detroit is hardly an argument against HBD.

    • Replies: @Junior
  9. Thanks, Fred, since you couldn’t find the dog, for kicking their HBD where the sun don’t shine!

  10. @Tom_R

    The claim is misleading, and your limited quote disingenuous. The full relevant quote, “In Mexico, criminal legislation is shared between the federal and state governments. The federal law establishes the age of 12 as the minimum age of consent, while the age at which there are no restrictions for consensual sexual activities is 18 (sex with someone 12-18 is not illegal per se, but can still be open to prosecution under certain circumstances).”

    This is actually a more enlightened policy than U.S. jurisdictions have, where intercourse with a 17-year old is statutory rape. (Not that you would think so…)

    • Replies: @Stan D Mute
  11. To invert the charges, white nationalists have gotten into the habit of aping the “victimized” groups. They claim victimization by those groups. I’m never completely sure whether this is serious or an ironical art form. Unfortunately, it seems to be the first.

    While it doesn’t reflect directly on the merits, it’s suspicious that hbd adopts this same (slimy) propaganda technique. Trying to seize on the popularity of “diversity,” it betrays the same underlying cynicism as the blog “Overcoming Bias,” which also tries its hand at rhetorical co-optation.

    • Agree: Vendetta
    • Replies: @Stan D Mute
    , @WhatEvvs
  12. newt says:

    Fred, please.

    • Replies: @Olorin
  13. I detest illegal immigration and want our border secured…..but damn I love the Spanish language and I think Mexican and other Latina women are so hot! Me encantan Latinas!!!!!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @M_Young
  14. I usually agree with (almost) everything you write.

    It’s noble that you rise to defend your country of choice.

    But, apparently, you’re wrong about the age thing.

  15. @Fred, I agree with your sentiment, there’s a bias that allows some exaggerations to persist.
    Those Who Can See is an excellent blog so I am disappointed that misleading picture was used. However, I myself did see very much litter and trash in Tijauna. It’s not a representative sample but I give credit to what I have seen with my own eyes. So I was inclined to agree with Those Who Can See‘s article.

    And Ann Coulter, along with your other criticism of her, why did she write such obviously skewed insinuations? Though I can appreciate she’s an unapologetic contrarian of Leftists, I find her … unsettling. I suspect she’s a cyborg and I’m not sure who she’s programmed to destroy.

    Allow me to add another contrary criticism taken from the hallowed halls of the SPLC itself! *ducks*

    What else did you find problematic?
    One of the main arguments in The Color of Crime was that Latinos have these high crime rates. That means as Latin American immigration increases, America should grow more crime-ridden. But that isn’t happening. From 1990 to now, there’s been a reduction in crime, simultaneous with substantial [Latino] immigration. And so that link isn’t there. Taylor tended to downplay arguments like these that were inconsistent with his white nationalism.

    And, to add to @Jim who wrote,

    the violence of the Mexican drug gangs goes far beyond anything that the Mafia did.

    In our lifetimes, African-American and Latino gangs are more viciously violent and more common. Proportionality is important for these broad group comparisons.

    Scrutiny is important for “outsider” thinking found here at unz.com. Too much isolation allows ideas to mutate too far from reality. Sometimes, someone’s gotta’ break something.

  16. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @John Rebel

    Aren’t Mexican women the most obese in the world?

  17. Freddy boy…..I know a bit about Latin America myself. We have a right to our anglo saxon culture. This culture is being flooded with people who do not have this tradition.

    Now about Mexicans. Here in Brazil at the university I see a bunch of Mexicans I am sure would IMPROVE the USA if they went there. They’re a bit short but still great people.

    The catch? Those are not the people we’re getting. The USA is being flooded with the low end Mexicans and it’s not something to be happy about. Sure Mexicans appear good to you because you’re in Mexico experiencing the ones that are high enough quality to stay there! DUH. But the tattoo’d and the super fat indigenous types are not going to do much to add the USA.

    • Replies: @Beach
  18. @Jim

    That’s because Italian mafia look like geniuses compared to Mexicans who have a deficit as a group in the IQ department.

    • Replies: @Dipwill
  19. Oldeguy says:

    Once again, we encounter the old Who Ya Gonna Believe Problem : Me ( the Media “Personality” )
    Or Yer Lyin” Eyes ( personal experience gained from prolonged intimate contact ).
    Having lived in close in suburb of a major U.S. city as it transitioned from aging Central European immigrant predominance to Mexican immigrant predominance, and then slid into Section 8 former public housing ( all native born U.S. citizen Black ) influx, I think that I know where Fred is coming from.
    Anybody equating Mexican immigrants with our own Black Under-Class simply doesn’t know what they are talking about, and would be well advised to begin listening to those who do.

  20. The Mexican cartels are certainly neck-deep in the drug trade and kill each other enthusiastically, much like the Italian Mafia (which, by the way, still exists and is still Italian).

    The Italians don’t belong in the US either. Deport both groups.

    She found that Hispanics are 26% more likely that whites to commit a violent crime. Hardly admirable, but hardly a crime wave.

    May not be a crime wave in Old Mexico, but in the US it most certainly is.

  21. Anybody equating Mexican immigrants with our own Black Under-Class simply doesn’t know what they are talking about, and would be well advised to begin listening to those who do.

    Both groups are 3rd world savages. We already have the blacks, we don’t need to be importing the Mexicans. At least the blacks can speak a crude form of English.

    • Replies: @Mark G.
  22. Bartolo says:

    @Fred Reed:

    In Spain, where hidalgos (and me) come from, the age of consent is 13 (at least when I studied, some 10 years ago). This has been established by the case law of the Tribunal Supremo. Therefore, 12 as an age of consent in Mexico does not seem so unbelievable.

    Of course, many cautions apply: it is necessary to verify, carefully, that the young child was mature enough, that it was not lied to and so on. But 13 is the benchmark age.

  23. Mr. Reed,

    You may need to kick your dog once for this report from the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC), via Wikipedia (granted, both HUGE members of the HBD/vDare/Coulter conspiracy…). Sort the murder rates by country to see just what a pleasant and fun-loving place the Americas are south of our border…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    More fun than a barrel of monkeys, each holding a loaded handgun!

  24. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Fred Reed,

    VDare and many of these HBD sites are ultimately political sites, not academic ones. Politics is about mobilizing groups of people against other groups of people. Leftists mobilize people against conservatives, Christians, whites, etc. VDare and HBD types mobilize people against immigrants, foreigners, non-whites, etc.

  25. Hubbub says:

    “If you want to criticize Mexico, stick to facts, such as that it is corrupt to the roots of its teeth and terribly governed, that the narcos are out of control, the police criminals, and that it qualifies as a failed state by some (reasonable) definitions. And they play loud music at three a.m. during fiestas. All of this is true.”

    Okay, I’ll stick with “All of this is true.” I don’t want that society here, next to me, or across the street. I don’t need it, nor does the United States. Keep Mexico in Mexico where it belongs.

  26. Scott says:

    I think crotchety old Fred’s gone native while living down in mescal land. His one-sided “beef” with Ann has reached comical levels, with Fred swinging wildly with his purse and failing to land a single blow. He must be getting static from the help down in his expat gated community. Ann is smarter than Fred, probably by a factor of 10. She also lives here. When it comes to illegal immigrants, I believe I know who I’ll trust in judging their character.

  27. A gifted writer such as yourself should know better than to beat the dead horse as long as you have.

    Mexicans….good

    Blacks……..bad

    repeat over and over and over.

    we are weary too, of you on these two topics.

    • Replies: @MyLyingEyes
  28. Fred,

    I’m not too sure why it’s so difficult to understand that whites living in the United States would prefer not to have millions of mestizos – particularly the least educated – move to our cities and neighborhoods. Heck, we believe the same thing about Chinese and upper-caste Indians – both groups with presumably higher IQs than your average white.

    We don’t have to hate Mexicans or believe that they are as bad as blacks to not want them in our country. They aren’t whites, simple as that. They are different genetically and culturally. They will never be “whites” as a group. That’s not an insult. Indeed, I’d suspect that the average Mexican and even the average Mexican immigrant doesn’t want to be white. Why would they? They have their own people and culture.

    It’s the same with Southern whites and the Northern whites. I know for a fact that Southern whites would never want to be Northern whites, even if you could show that Northern whites have a higher standard of living and more academic achievements. Southern whites wouldn’t give a damn.

    Now, I’ll grant you that the U.S. should stop making it so easy and profitable for Mexicans to cross the border and stay. But that’s an issue with our elites, not with the average American. (Yes, yes, I understand that they could vote for politicians that would secure the border and halt legal immigration, but your average Joe doesn’t think in such terms. Regardless, there’s no doubt that white Americans would love a massive reduction in immigration.)

    We don’t have to hate Mexicans or think that they are inferior to not want them in our country. They are different and threaten our way of life. That is all and that is enough.

    • Agree: Stan D Mute
    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @Oldeguy
    , @Anonymous
  29. Hunsdon says:
    @WGG

    This is quite possibly the stupidest comment I have read at Unz.com. Congratulations, sir! You have pushed Whiskey and Truth into third and fourth places, and are giving radical-centrist stiff competition for first place.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @Truth
  30. Mark G. says:
    @Chris Mallory

    Mexico is not really a third world country. The average U.S. life expectancy is 78 and the average Mexico life expectancy is 76. There’s not that much difference. I suspect we get a distorted view here of what the average Mexican is like because we aren’t exactly getting the cream of the crop as immigrants. If Fred lives in Mexico, he may have a gotten a bit of a distorted view too because he may think the average Mexican immigrant here is like the average Mexican there.

  31. @Dave Chamberlin

    Taking in a step further, and perhaps in a conciliatory direction:

    Mexicans…great! — in Mexcio

    Mexicans…okay — in the U.S. in small numbers

    Mexicans…NOT good — in the U.S. in the tens of millions, and in large numbers here ILLEGALLY!

    I don’t see why that so is so controversial: Mexico is allowed to have a culture which is worth defending — and that is GREAT! Go for it Mexicans! But what is so wrong with the U.S. doing the same thing? Who decided that the nearly FOUR HUNDRED YEARS that our forebearers have spent building this nation are not enough for us to object to it being replaced by the “wretched refuse” of every wretched hellhole in the world? Astonishing…civilization suicide, and if you object you’re Hitler… God bless (what is left of) America…

  32. Scott says:

    Here’s a pretty good metric for a failed country: you risk your life by driving at night. This is Mexico, the country Fred Reed defends to the hilt. I can drive up the Taconic at night and not worry about roving bandits shooting me dead. I doubt Fred can say the same thing about Pancho Villa Expressway or whatever road he would like to cruise down at night, but can’t. But hey, let’s fact check Ann Coulter on Mexico’s age of consent! Sounds like a fruitful discussion.

    • Replies: @Pepe
  33. @Scott

    I think Fred’s cheating wife has washed his mind.

    Mexicans are good for Mexico.

  34. @WGG

    What is the point of this post? Is it at all relevant to the article?

  35. Yes, I like Mexicans – in Mexico. The problem is the Mexican government over the last 25 years has tried to export their poorest and least educated people to the USA. Yeah, let the Gringos take care of them and have them send some $$$ back to Mexico.

    If Coulter and others are somewhat unfair in their generalizations about Mexican immigrants, so what? It just counteracts the massive propaganda from Wall Street (looking for cheap labor) and the Liberal Democrats (who want more voters) that every Mexican is hard working, social conservative, who just wants to become a Yankee doodle dandy.

    Fred needs to stop telling us that all Mexicans aren’t rapists, and start telling us what your average working class/poor Mexican acutally believes. Is he a socialist or a free marketer? How religious is he? How disciplined and future oriented is he? Why does he put up with a corrupt government? And what are the chances he’s going to vote Republican.

    And if Mexico is so great, why is he going to the USA? And how do we keep him from turning the USA into Mexico?

    • Replies: @A Fred Reader
  36. MarkinLA says:

    She found that Hispanics are 26% more likely that whites to commit a violent crime.

    What about non-violent crime? What about the general lack of respect for the law that Mexicans have? Things like shoplifting, breaking and entering, drunk driving, running red lights, hit and run, and drug dealing are part of their DNA.

    • Replies: @C
  37. MarkinLA says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Yes, yes, I understand that they could vote for politicians that would secure the border and halt legal immigration,

    They do but the politicians just ignore them after the election.

  38. MarkinLA says:
    @Hunsdon

    It wasn’t stupid. It was an attempt to make a point using snark and I got the joke, maybe you didn’t.

    • Replies: @Hunsdon
  39. Oldeguy says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Thank you for a thoughtful comment, though I believe we may be talking at cross purposes.
    What I believe Fred was addressing was the mean-spiritedness and mis-characterization that so often appears in discussion of this area.
    I am opposed to both Open Borders and Multi-Culturalism, and ( if memory serves me correctly ) so is Fred.
    Love of traditional America neither requires, nor is well served by, obvious hatred and distortion.
    That, unless I badly misread him, was his point.
    Now I presented my own experience. It is impossible to argue with the experience of another- that individual may be a liar and/or a self-deluded fool, but the report, in itself is beyond argument.
    And that experience was of courteous, hard working, poor, stable family people.
    The most striking difference was the utter absence of the in-your-face chip-on-the-shoulder “attitude” found in so many Blacks.
    Gotta call ‘em as I seen ‘em.

  40. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    I’m not too sure why it’s so difficult to understand that whites living in the United States would prefer not to have millions of mestizos – particularly the least educated – move to our cities and neighborhoods. Heck, we believe the same thing about Chinese and upper-caste Indians – both groups with presumably higher IQs than your average white.

    I’m sure Fred can and does understand this just fine when it’s expressed clearly and honestly like you have here. But he’s not criticizing people like you here.

  41. There used to be a columnist for my local newspaper (the Orange County Register), Yvette Cabrera who wrote a column that may as well have been called “They’re Picking On My Tribe, And I Don’t Like It.”

    That’s what Fred is doing here, only you could insert “adopted” before “tribe.” Same thing with Jeb Bush. He doesn’t like it when he feels people are picking on his adopted tribe.

    C’mon Fred, Ann Coulter is a polemicist, and part of her shtick is hyperbole. Does this really have to be explained to you? Peter Brimelow’s site is dedicated to immigration restriction, a quite reasonable point of view. Allan Wall, who strikes me as a perfectly sensible and sober writer, who is himself married to a Mexican lady thinks keeping our two countries separated is a good idea.

    Fewer immigrants, especially from places like Fred himself describes (“corrupt to the roots of its teeth and terribly governed, that the narcos are out of control, the police criminals, and that it qualifies as a failed state by some (reasonable) definitions…”) is a reasonable policy. And of course, if it turns out to be the wrong policy, then it’s an easily fixable error. It’s not fixable if the opposite, i.e. what we’re doing now turns out to be wrong.

    I am not ignorant of Latin America. I have traveled there and done business in that part of the world for 35 years, and was even married to a woman from there for 8-1/2 years. It’s not because I am ignorant that I think we should be taking fewer of that “tribe” in, it’s because I know them so well.

    • Replies: @JimmyDeeOC
  42. Shoot, time to edit ran our before I could fine tune & correct my post. But I think the point is made, if somewhat less clearly than I would have liked.

  43. Hans Olo says:

    Mexicans in Mexico seem to generally be fairly clean, other than vagrants and stuff. And they keep their houses fairly neat as well, even if they are quite humble. The streets do tend to be a bit grubby and littered, although not usually like in that photo.

    Something seems to happen to them in the US, though. They seem to acquire the grubby, prideless habits of the American underclass. And their vaunted “family values” seem to go out the window.

    • Replies: @jay-w
  44. “If you want to criticize Mexico, stick to facts”

    Yes sir commandante Fernando. Oh and since the subject is truthiness why don’t you expand on how diligent Mexicans are in “sticking to facts” about the U.S. Remember one of their propaganda planks is that they “built” America. That’s right, Hoover Dam, the Golden Gate Bridge, I-80, the Mars Rover–all built by squat monsters with a 4th grade education.

    Why don’t you write about that Fernando? That’s a much bigger and more invidious lie than anything Ann Coulter could ever spread. And that lie is being used to push amnesty. But you’re totally cool with that.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Jim Christian
  45. Anon7 says:

    I can’t find the reference, but earlier this year Fred responded to Donald Trump’s statement that “Mexico isn’t sending us their best” by saying that the point was essentially valid. Fred’s point (as I recall) was that upper and middle class Mexicans were perfectly happy to live in Mexico, and gave various reasons why. So, Mexico’s “best” stays put.

    And, Fred also pointed out that, indeed, the Mexican citizens most likely to migrate north into the US were exactly those Mexicans who were unable to succeed in Mexico – by definition “not their best”. Of course, many of these people choose to work hard in low-paying jobs – all they can get. Others, however, engage in criminal activities and put their hands out to catch some of the free money that America showers all over the place, and have kids who are similarly unable to succeed.

    So, maybe it’s possible that Fred sees lots of well-adjusted families with kids in Mexico, and yet in the US there are lots of Mexicans who are looking for a handout because they can’t make it in Mexico, or are engaging in criminal or lazy welfare-grabbing.

    So, Mexico keeps its best and sends us the marginal ones. Hey, how’d they get smarter than us?

    • Replies: @Trumpenprole
  46. Ken Smith says: • Website

    Fred Reed is a good friend and neighbor here in Ajijic, Mexico. The comments above about Ann Coulter and the age of consent in Mexico tempted me to expand on Fred’s earlier column. Instead, I will repeat what was told to Fred by Mexican attorney and ardent feminist Marta Villarreal — a friend of mine who I introduced to Fred as he was researching for his column. As to the belief held by Coulter and other Americans that the age of consent in Mexico is 12, Marta says: “It’s not true. They don’t understand the law.”

    Now, who are you going to believe? A Wikipedia page? Ann Coulter who has not studied Mexican law? Or, Marta who has made a career in the law of sexual exploitation of children?

    Americans concerned about a flood of illegals crossing the border might find the following article of interest:

    More Mexicans Leaving Than Coming to the U.S.
    Net Loss of 140,000 from 2009 to 2014; Family Reunification Top Reason for Return

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/

  47. Hunsdon says:
    @MarkinLA

    I bow before your more highly developed sense of humor.

  48. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bragadocious

    “Fernando” is the Spanish equivalent of “Ferdinand”, not “Fred”. “Federico” or “Alfredo” would be the Spanish equivalents of “Fred”.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  49. Truth says:
    @Hunsdon

    You mean I made the Final Four!

  50. @Sgt. Joe Friday

    Holy F***. I’m OC as well and I blame Yvette solely and directly for my high blood pressure.

    Gawd what a cancer she was……….and all the worse, of course, because she was no idiot. She was bright, an excellent writer and able to frame her case to extract max sympathy. And f*** it all and to add icing to the cake….she was pretty hot.

    Where is she plying her insidious trade now?

    • Replies: @Sgt. Joe Friday
  51. Trumpenprole [AKA "Blanco"] says:
    @Anon7

    We sent them Fred. Take that Mejico!

  52. Svigor says:

    Fred kind of admits that he has no experience with the Mexicans we have in the US, what with his living in Mexico since forever.

  53. @Anonymous

    Thank you for that important correction. But in hindsight, I should have just used, “dipshit.”

    • Agree: GW
  54. @JimmyDeeOC

    Working for some non-profit up in Santa Barbara, I believe.

    I always enjoyed reading her columns, because if one were to Google the saintly protagonists she wrote about, oftentimes a much different picture emerge. Frequently the noble do-gooders she wrote about were troublemakers or activists of some kind, sometimes even with a criminal record. I am sure that Gustavo threw a fit when the OCR laid her off, but I notice he did not hire her for the OC Weekly.

    • Replies: @JimmyDeeOC
  55. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Lol at the HBD boys losing their [email protected] when one of their coethnics doesn’t follow the game plan. Maybe Fred has his own mind and his own opinions formed from living in the real world instead of most commentators here who live on the Internet. Glad Fred isn’t like Sailor who just cranks out the company line to get more donations.

    Mexicans are like the Irish. They have more prole tendencies like the Irish do, but that doesn’t mean they cannot live in a civilized society. Unz has even showed that the iq is similar between the two groups.

    If we kick out the Mexicans for being prole let’s also kick out the Irish. And while we are talking about kicking out groups who do damage, let’s kick out Jews and the British. Two high iq groups (well at least the Jews have high iqs) that are responsible for a lot of what is wrong in America.

    • Replies: @celt darnell
    , @Dipwill
  56. @Sgt. Joe Friday

    Maybe. Acc’d to her bio below, she’s FROM Santa Barbara.

    Yvette Cabrera covers criminal and juvenile justice issues, immigration, income inequality and social justice issues. (always the Social Justice Warrior!)

    She graduated from Occidental College in Los Angeles, majoring in history with an emphasis on Latin American studies. She is currently statewide president for CCNMA: Latino Journalists of California, the oldest regional organization of Colored Journalists…..I mean, journalists of color….. in the country.

    Oxy, Latin American Studies, Latino Journalists group…….she does not venture far from the Mother Hive. Her world is one big closed-loop feedback.

    http://voiceofoc.org/about/our-staff/

  57. jay-w says:

    I am in a similar position as Fred: Married to a Mexican for 20 years, three dual-citizenship kids, spent about 6 of the past 20 years living in Mexico (and currently typing this comment from 1500 miles south of the US border).

    I more-or-less concur with Fred’s conclusions. There is no significant difference between the average middle-class Mexican and the average middle-class American. There are plenty of very intelligent people here (although not necessarily a critical mass).

    Lower-class Mexicans might be just as dumb as lower-class Americans, but they are a whole lot more hard-working and less violent. If my car ever broke down unexpectedly at night, I would MUCH rather have the breakdown in, say, Puebla than in Baltimore!!

    Obviously, however, the Mexicans who come to the USA illegally tend to be from the bottom of the barrel.

    That said, there are some points in Fred’s essay that I have problems with:

    (a) I do not understand how Fred’s experience (or mine) disproves HBD. The point of HBD, as I understand it, is that there CAN be significant mental & psychological differences between different ethnic groups — not that the MUST be differences. The fact that group “A” and group “B” are similar to each other does not rule out the possibility that group “C” might be very different.

    (b) Fred is ignoring the inconvenient truth that — for some unknown reason — even though Mexico has lots of nice, hardworking individuals and at least a few very intelligent individuals, there is something wrong when you look at the country collectively. In 500 years, Mexico, as a country, has accomplished NOTHING of any intellectual significance. Why? For example, there has been a grand total of only one Mexican Nobel Prize winner in science; that’s pathetic. And I can’t think of a single Mexican corporation that has any global presence outside of Latin America. There seems to be something in the culture (or in the genes??) that militates against excellence.

    (c) Fred points out correctly that the Mexican government is unbelievably corrupt, but he does not follow through to the truism that people get the kind of government that they deserve. In other words: There must be something deep in the Mexican psyche (and/or their genes) that lets them tolerate a corrupt & autocratic government. (And the last thing we need to let that kind of attitude take root in the USA.)

    • Replies: @Olorin
    , @Anonymous
    , @joe webb
  58. Drew says:

    I like Mexicans in Mexico but not in the USA. The ones in the USA seem to adopt lower class behavior something our country doesn’t need. Mexican women are basically the new welfare queens, they have the highest rate of teen pregnancy, out we’d lock birth, and abortion rate. The sad part is these types of people seem have a boat load of kids compared to well off white middle class America. Our country is going to be in dire help if this trend continues.

  59. jay-w says:
    @Hans Olo

    ” …Something seems to happen to them in the US, though. They seem to acquire the grubby, prideless habits of the American underclass. And their vaunted “family values” seem to go out the window….”

    I have a theory on that (just a theory; no proof):
    Maybe the “family values” reside within the family rather than within the individual. Maybe they (especially the young people) have not internalized their moral code. Hence, when they come to the USA and are no longer within reach of the family, they go to pieces because Abuelita o Tio Fulano is no longer available to chew them out when they misbehave, and so they lose their moral compass.

    Perhaps Anglo-Saxon culture puts more value on individual honor and responsibility than on family honor.

  60. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Fred, Mexicans smell like shit. Deal with it.

  61. @Ken Smith

    Anyone who is a friend of an “ardent feminist” is an utter moron.

  62. @Anonymous

    @anonymous

    Kick the British out of America because they are responsible for a lot that is wrong with America?

    Without the British, “America” would just be a lot of redskins sitting in teepees.

    Or it’d be Mexico or some other Latin American sh*thole.

    Crawl back under your sombrero, amigo.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    , @Anonymous
  63. GW says:
    @Ken Smith

    Another ex-pat in Mehico? Please stay down there, cuck.

  64. Olorin says:
    @newt

    Well, what do you expect from a guy who took his American pensioner dinero south of the border to the nation that’s exporting its problemos here?

    Reads to me like somebody did the 1A typical Boomer thing of going native. Think of Walter Houston in The Treasure of the Sierra Madre. Only with more bragging about hanging out with pole dancers.

    So who can argue? Fred likes his Mexican esposa y amigos y casa and stuff! Therefore your experience of your life and home and family and neighborhood and city and nation being overrun by millions of flat-headed mutants and drug lords/pawns and criminals and bean-chomping nino-factoria-gordas cannot possibly be right!

    But seriously, Fred–if Mexico and its Mexicans are so GD fantastico, why are all these marrones coming to El Norte? They sure as hell don’t seem to want to be in Mexico, or around Mexicans, except their own DNA.

    So tell you what–we ship back all the dolts, and you send us the plus-2-standard-deviations-IQ/g, and we’ll call it square on the matter of HBD, by which I presume you mean population genetics. Also, you have to stay there.

    Or move to Compton, then you can lecture us about how wonderful Mexicans are.

  65. Olorin says:
    @jay-w

    “even though Mexico has lots of nice, hardworking individuals and at least a few very intelligent individuals, there is something wrong when you look at the country collectively. In 500 years, Mexico, as a country, has accomplished NOTHING of any intellectual significance. ”

    I figure it must be white racism. And how we bogart all the Magic Dirt.

    Oh yeah, also the conquistadores, and stuff they did half a millennium ago.

    No, seriously: the cause of this is those dastardly HBD advocates speaking bluntly about data regarding and their personal experience of population genetics. Yeah, that must be it. The problem must be the smarter, more innovating, more orderly people who run advanced societies very well, so long as they are permitted to retain genetic borders and control genetic flows.

    Not, you know, the mass importation of those who can only parasitize advanced societies, covet their (hard won) advantages, and drag them in the direction of corruption, violence, disease, and overpopulation.

    Also, if all whites and Asians and such would just accept and love and breed with Mexicans, the Mexicans would get smarter!!!

    It’s the softest possible eugenocide, which race-mixers somehow manage to conceal beneath their poses of caring or reactionary anger. I.e., they don’t mind giving up the “white races,” so long as the population of Group X gets shifted 2-5 points to the right (and also themselves cease to exist as a race–problem solved!).

  66. Leftist conservative [AKA "radical_centrist"] says: • Website

    there is a lot of truth to what you say, fred, but we don’t really care….we white americans have been watching the elite of america demonize us from decades, and we have been watching the elite of america idolize nonwhites for decades. What the elite have been doing is wrong, evil, and we are fighting back with everything we have. One way we are fighting back is elevating whites in social status and lowering nonwhites in social status, the opposite of what the elite institutions have been doing for decades.

    Fred, War is Hell. And this is war. You don’t like it? Tough titty.

  67. @celt darnell

    Not really. British influence in America declined significantly in the 19th Century when most of the infrastructure of the country was being built. (Most of what the Brits built pre-1783 burned down) Large swaths of the country spoke Dutch and German, which if I’m not mistaken has nothing to do with Britain. Jefferson based many of his political ideas on Rousseau and the French philosophes, which again, has nothing to do with you lot. I find it amazing how the Brits always try to grab 100% of the credit for America, while oddly condemning everything America is. Do you not see the contradiction? Guess not.

    • Replies: @Chris Mallory
  68. MarkinLA says:
    @Ken Smith

    And Pew has been using that 12 million illegals number to back their amnesty push for 15 years.

    I wouldn’t trust them for anything immigration related.

  69. MarkinLA says:
    @Leftist conservative

    Yes, Fred doesn’t understand that we were doing it his way for 30 years. Politely talking about wage suppression and other things so as to be as politically correct as possible and all it got us was being called racists and being ignored.

  70. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Fred, don’t quit now. It’s important for the young bloods coming along to see that even someone with a red-pill military and journalistic background and excellent red-pill attitudes on feminism and Blacks, can be completely cucked when it comes to non-Black minorities. Who knows, live and write long enough and you might even become humble enough to examine your certainties on the most important (((question))) of all.

  71. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @celt darnell

    Ahh found the Brit.

    People here love placing a lot of the blame with what’s wrong with this country on Jews, and no doubt Jews contributed to a lot of the bad we have here. But the bulk of what’s wrong with America today can be traced back to WASP types from Britain recreating Britain here in America. The WASP elites here turned a normal middle class country into a 1% country just like Britain with a prole underclass that gets continuously replenished with foreign immigrants. Invading the world and inviting the world is a classic British system.

  72. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @jay-w

    Jay-w it is true that many Mexicans don’t strive to be world beaters. Many Mexicans are content to have enough just to live life and are not really interested in creating the next world company. But again, that is true with a lot of white populations too. How many intellectuals come from Ireland or Serbia?

    It is a misnomer to lump together the accomplishments of all white people especially when the real drivers of intellectual endeavors are mainly clustered in Jews. The rest of the white people are more like Mexicans, people who are smart enough to hold together a society but not smart nough to produce elite minds.

    Lumping together the accomplishments of whites is like saying Mexicans have produced many Nobel prize winners because they are brown, and Indians are brown people too. So there.

    • Replies: @5371
    , @Anonymous
    , @JSM
    , @Nico
  73. @Leftist conservative

    “White” Americans aren’t a group sufficiently unified to wage a “war.” (Ethnic genetic interests exist [as Hamilton showed, pace Jayman], but they aren’t strong – and are particularly weak among those you call white.) Workers can wage a war against capitalists; but uniting caucasians means uniting on terms acceptable to our caucasian ruling class. (Yes, the huge Jewish component to the ruling class is “white”; if you don’t like the implications, forgo the racism.)

    [You're a "radical centrist" who advocates race war! The overweening confusion of the petty-bourgeoisie.]

    • Replies: @Lucius Somesuch
  74. 5371 says:
    @Anonymous

    [the real drivers of intellectual endeavors are mainly clustered in Jews]

    You are ignorant and stupid beyond belief.

  75. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Anonymous

    Ireland has 12 Nobel prize winners; India and Israel have 13 each and Serbia 1.

    • Replies: @Jim Bob Lassiter
  76. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Hey Fred, riddle me this: If I’m not mistaken, Mexico City is the only city in the nominally Western Judeo-Christian World, Japan, China, and many other Asian countries that has established separate bus lines and metro cars for the exclusive use of women and children. We’d love to hear your explanation for that.

    And is all of this one big fat lie here? :

    http://universalfreepress.com/media-blackout-the-age-of-sexual-consent-in-mexico-is-only-12/#

  77. @Anonymous

    And don’t forget His Excellency The Man-Boy; He got Hisself a Nobel Peace Prize too!!

  78. @Stephen R. Diamond

    (sex with someone 12-18 is not illegal per se, but can still be open to prosecution under certain circumstances).”

    This is actually a more enlightened policy than U.S. jurisdictions have, where intercourse with a 17-year old is statutory rape. (Not that you would think so…)

    There is NO twelve year old white child (CHILD!) who should be subjected to use for sex EVER. There are no “certain circumstances” under which it might be acceptable. That you could even suggest otherwise makes one suspect you a pedophile.

    That sex happens between consenting 16-17 year olds is unfortunate. They lack the cognitive and emotional maturity to deal with either the sex or its consequences. I’m not convinced criminalizing it is the solution however, but I am convinced that children under 16 must be protected even from their peers. And any child under 18 must be protected from adults over 21. Our laws have this period of floating uncertainty between 18-21 insofar as “adulthood” and it makes sense to use this upper bound here not least because of laws on alcohol.

    With all that said, one who is aware of HBD must acknowledge the different developmental rates for different populations. Africans, for instance, develop much sooner than whites. Amerindians mature later than Africans, but sooner than whites. Still, imagine the uproar if in the same country Africans could copulate legally at say 14 while whites must be 18. Clearly the upper bound must be applied as the norm for all populations regardless of actual individual rates of maturation. And there are other important societal interests in enforcing a higher age that outweigh the “hardship” of enduring a couple extra years of waiting to become promiscuous.

  79. @Stephen R. Diamond

    To invert the charges, white nationalists have gotten into the habit of aping the “victimized” groups. They claim victimization by those groups.

    Are you seriously trying to conflate “my great-great-great-grandmother might have been raped,” with “I was raped.” Or “my granddaddy couldn’t buy a house in that neighborhood,” with “I was robbed and beaten within an inch of my life in that neighborhood”?

    The professional victim class perpetually whines about offenses that may have happened generations ago. Whites today complain about what is happening right now – today. And if you profess there is no difference between what may have happened to somebody else in antiquity and what is happening to you at this moment, then you are clearly a Troll.

    • Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond
    , @Truth
  80. @Stephen R. Diamond

    “(Yes, the huge Jewish component to the ruling class is “white”; if you don’t like the implications, forgo the racism.)”

    You might be so helpful then as to instruct the huge Jewish component to accept those “implications” and forego their apoplectic racist hatred for White people.

    Though I think that Jewish component contemptuously rejects your “white” label and all its implications, perhaps making you the confused petit-bourgeoisie.

    • Replies: @Nico
    , @Stephen R. Diamond
  81. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Stan D Mute

    Are you aware that within living memory (i.e., as late as the 1950′s) girls in some parts of the USA could legally get married at age 12. (And not just in the backwoods of Appalachia, either; legal age for marriage in Massachusetts was 12 for girls and 14 for boys at least into the 1950′s, and maybe even into the early 60′s)

    The ABSURD idea that teenagers are “children” rather than young adults is a very recent invention.

    • Replies: @Stan D Mute
  82. @Scott

    I think you’re wrong that Ann is smarter than Fred. Mr. Reed also has a point here. Ill-informed trashing of Mexicans is not productive.

    • Replies: @Scott
  83. @Anonymous

    The ABSURD idea that teenagers are “children” rather than young adults is a very recent invention.

    The pedophilia is strong with this one.

    • Replies: @5371
  84. M_Young says:
    @John Rebel

    “Me encantan Latinas!!!!!”

    Dude, you’ve never seen actual Mexican girls/women. Big around as they are tall, inevitable and pronounced muffin top. Chata (pug nosed). And these are the 22 year olds.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  85. JSM says:
    @Anonymous

    How many intellectuals come from Ireland or Serbia

    Serbia: 7 million.

    Mexico: 122 million

    And the fellow that Invented the Twentieth Century, plausible candidate for Smartest Guy Who Ever Lived, Nikola Tesla? Serbian.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  86. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @JSM

    There’s an internet created cult of Tesla that blows Tesla’s work and significance way out of proportion:

    http://edisontechcenter.org/tesladebunked.html

    • Replies: @anarchyst
  87. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @M_Young

    Sí es cierto Sr. Young, y las pobres Rotoplases llantudas tienen los culos más plachacos que una tortilla atropellada por un camión de tres ejes traseros.

  88. I’m curious if anyone thinks Reed may just be on the payroll of La Raza or the Mexican government in writing this “twaddle” (yes, his is the twaddle, not Ann Coulter’s fine book). No self-respecting “American” could believe what he’s writing, which is basically that we should not complain as Mexicans pour over the border, kill people, tax our hospital and school systems and remit cash back to Carlos Slim. He’s not an American. He has to be an agent for a foreign power.

    • Disagree: Stephen R. Diamond
  89. Scott says:
    @Neil Templeton

    I’d pay to watch a debate between the two. Ann would cut this wanker to ribbons. Not that she’d go slumming that way, Ann has standards.

  90. @Bragadocious

    Does serving in the Marines qualify one as an American?

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  91. @jimbojones

    Juan McCain was in the Navy. There’s a very long story on this site about what a traitor he is. Military service doesn’t immunize you from morphing into a complete dick.

  92. anon • Disclaimer says:

    Bear in mind that when it comes to immigration the glorious leaders of the west have been (mostly) dealing from the bottom of the deck for 40 years.

    The average person only knows what they see.

  93. Dave37 says:

    Just my two cents but it seems to me, perhaps paradoxically, both sides of the argument have some merit though I wonder if Fred has become an unfair target in the current immigration problem. I don’t think by his Mexican connection he has become a Simon Girty but is more in the tradition of American Europeans who have married into a “native”(or just different) culture without fully leaving the one he was raised in, (considering modern American women, I can’t blame him for that) though if he, like some ex-navy guys I know, had moved and married into the Phillipines I doubt he would get as much attention. No doubt he is against child abuse and we could also speculate on that problem among our own and what we seem to allow to go to Thailand. I would agree that immigrants, contrary to the liberal narrative, bring with them some odious behaviors that should be addressed but seem to be covered up instead and I certainly don’t blame anyone for getting mad about the subject.

  94. Nico says:
    @Anonymous

    Jay-w it is true that many Mexicans don’t strive to be world beaters. Many Mexicans are content to have enough just to live life and are not really interested in creating the next world company. But again, that is true with a lot of white populations too. How many intellectuals come from Ireland or Serbia?

    It is a misnomer to lump together the accomplishments of all white people especially when the real drivers of intellectual endeavors are mainly clustered in Jews. The rest of the white people are more like Mexicans, people who are smart enough to hold together a society but not smart nough to produce elite minds.

    Thanks for a good laugh. This has to be one of the better ones I’ve seen lately.

    *T*R*O*L*L*

  95. Nico says:
    @Lucius Somesuch

    Though I think that Jewish component contemptuously rejects your “white” label and all its implications, perhaps making you the confused petit-bourgeoisie.

    I’m not so sure he’s as innocently idiotic as “confused petit-bourgeois” would imply. Well, idiotic perhaps, but hardly innocent.

  96. @Lucius Somesuch

    Though I think that Jewish component contemptuously rejects your “white” label and all its implications

    1. Race isn’t subjective.

    2. The bigotry of ruling-class Jews against gentiles is not directed against them for being caucasian.

  97. There do seem to be good noneconomic (cultural) reasons for regretting high rates of Mexican immigration. A Mexican clerk will give you more red-tape hassle than even a power-hungy WASP. They tend to identify strongly with authority. [They'll report you to the cops for peacefully walking your dog.] Mexicans (speaking statistically) are authoritarian, property-obsessed (a Mexican landlord is a pest), and (at least in this country) have a chip on their shoulders.

    But all this (assuming my impressions bear any relation to reality) shouldn’t bother many law-and-orderist alt-rights.

  98. MarkinLA says:
    @Bragadocious

    Naw, as some others have suggested, with a much younger Mexican wife, little fred is doing all the thinking for big fred.

  99. rod1963 says:
    @Bragadocious

    I think Fred went native and is why he’s sounding like a open borders/Jeb Bush kinda guy, hence the hostility aimed at us gringos up North for wanting to secure the border and deport a lot of Mexicans here illegally.

    We really don’t want these people up here. I watched what they did to Los Angeles over the last three decades. The only reason it’s not Juarez is because enough whites are keeping things working.

    I also remember the Rodney King riots where these Central American imports happily joined the black rioters. It was quite scary to see this side of these people.

    • Replies: @David In TN
  100. joe webb says:

    Fred, come on up Redwood City, CA and I will introduce you to our new county jail built just for mexers. Go into the County courthouse and see Jose and Manuel tease Juanita. Wall to wall mexers with a few gringos who I assume are their lawyers.

    Mexers, I agree are mostly nice, except when stressed. They smile and burglarize your house and rarely kill you, although they kill one another a fair amount.

    It could be a lot worse…Congo on our border, or Iraq, etc.

    Fred…retire to your jewish mexican wife and kids and take a long siesta, you have earned it.

    Joe Webb

  101. joe webb says:

    PS, to be fair, whereas the Blacks rape and rob, Mexicans mostly just child molest and burglarize. At least that is what shows up almost daily in our local newspaper.

    That is a significant HBD factoid, but I cannot theorize it, except to guess that mexicans have been tilling the land generally, while Africans…I don’t know what they do, leaving however the women to do the work as I understand it.

    Plopped into Whiteman land and meritocracy, they got the women still doing the work, whether it is a real job or not, or welfare boosters…and the bros show up on payday.

    Everybody knows that mexicans work and black men don’t but what most folks do not know is that mexicans, about half of them even when working, are also on welfare.

    Fred should send some pesos up north to compensate for the US dollars sent south. He could send some of those dollars to San Mateo Co. Sheriff’s Dept, Redwood City Government Center, Redwood city. Or payable to the County Treasurer.

    JOe Webb

    • Replies: @Beach
  102. Truth says:

    I have come to admire Senior Redeno’s Catholic grit. You fine fellers will have to rip his “increased Mexican immigration is to YOUR benefit” mantra from his cold dead hands.

  103. joe webb says:
    @jay-w

    you are an idiot. mestizo average IQ is 90. That number is totally consistent with mexer behavior.

    One of my sons is in construction and runs a couple crews of mexicans. He is a sweet guy and not the type to kick people around, my son. He does state however, yes Dad , they are dumb, they cannot remember tomorrow some instructions I gave them today.

    Also their crime and welfare abuse, etc, etc. everybody sees it in Silicon vValley….just like they see the chinks for what they are: rapacious, as a liberal female friend put it, and hates herself for saying it…ahhh…yessss, the aryan girl from Berkeley.
    You only get a country like Mexico from stupid people generally, lacking the ability to understand Principle. The mexican injun pure-blood IQ is 84-4, both north and south America.

    If you had kids, your kids will express the Return to the Mean, Average, regression to…whatever
    Joe WEbb

  104. Beach says:
    @Lord Effington Three Sticks

    The USA is being flooded with the low end Mexicans and it’s not something to be happy about. Sure Mexicans appear good to you because you’re in Mexico experiencing the ones that are high enough quality to stay there!

    This. It doesn’t seem to occur to Fred that Mexico is a pretty nice place to live now because they’ve been dumping millions of their hard-working but not up to much, their illiterate and lazy, and their criminals and child chasers on us for forty years. The inhabitants of the agreeable suburbs of Monterrey never had it so good.

  105. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bragadocious

    I’m curious if anyone thinks Reed may just be on the payroll of La Raza or the Mexican government in writing this “twaddle” (yes, his is the twaddle, not Ann Coulter’s fine book).

    Ann’s fine book is, well, fine.

    I’m not a betting man, but I’d happily bet on Fred’s take on the average Central American Mexican over Ann’s take.

    Mostly because Ann gets all of her information from her Internet compound in whatever airport she’s on standby with free WiFi. Fred can look out his window and see Mexicans.

    I like Ann for her bravado. I like Fred for his honesty. When Ann marries and bears child (oops), maybe she’ll understand. In the meantime, I give Ann 3 internet points. Fred gets 42.7 life points.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  106. I’m with Fred on this one. I don’t really like Mexicans or Mexican culture very much at all. I want the border closed and the illegals deported, and a very sharp curtailment to legal immigration. I am proud to be white and I champion Western civilization. I think miscegenation is almost always a mistake.

    But with all that being said, HBD is pseudoscience. It is rooted in a mixture of a political movement (the politics of which I largely agree with, by the way) and the arch-pseudosciences of Darwinian evolution and molecular biology, which are things people believe in when they like to think of themselves as intelligent but aren’t. Darwinian evolution and molecular biology are both philosophically untenable disciplines, but nobody understands this because nobody bothers to think about metaphysics anymore.

    Oh, and Steve Sailer is a creepy weirdo, not to mention a wuss of a rare caliber.

  107. Priss Factor [AKA "The Priss Factory"] says: • Website

    Reed is right that most Mexers are not bad people.

    In fact, many are very nice people. I always like the sight of Mexican families in the park enjoying the outdoors.
    It’s like Angel’s village in The Wild Bunch.

    But that is the problem. Being too nice, they don’t have the courage to stand up for ideals and principles. So, too often, they allow themselves to be pushed around by the powerful.

    They are like Japanese in this regard.
    Difference is Japanese culture is more attuned to discipline, and its elites are smarter and more serious-minded.
    Also, as Japanese feel as one people, the elites expect from the people.

    But Mexer elites are used to seeing the masses as passive stoic mute lettuce pickers and tortilla munchers.
    This perspective colors the relations between Mexico and US.
    US is leader, and Mexico’s role is to provide labor and service.

  108. @Bragadocious

    At the time of our founding, less than 10% of the population was Dutch or German. The US was founded as a British Protestant nation. Every wave of immigrants since that founding has harmed the nation.

  109. And everyone kept telling me that Detroit was one of the worst places in America, but thanks to Fred I’ve learned that it’s a typical American city. I see why he’s so agitated about the other side exaggerating things the way they do.

  110. @Anonymous

    Your snarky comment about Ann’s ovaries gives you away, and totally undermines whatever point you were trying to make.

  111. I don’t hate Mexicans at all. On the contrary, I generally find them a pleasant and humble people. This however doesn’t mean I want to see the US turned into Mexico against the interest and consent of the American people. Ann Coulter is right.

  112. AndrewR says:
    @Svigor

    I agree completely. While many of the criticisms leveled at Mexico and Mexicans by persons on the right may be embellished or even outright false, the fact is that there is no shortage of folks far more prominent than Fred Reed out there correcting inaccuracies about Mexico (and often adding pro-Mexican inaccuracies of their own). Reed should take a page from Allan Wall, an Anglo also married to a Mexican and living in Mexico, who gives Anglos an inside scoop about what Mexicans say about us.

    In a different world, this article could be needed. In our world, it’s counterproductive to the interests of non-Mexicans.

  113. Wally says: • Website

    Actually Reed resorts to comparing Mexican behavior to the behavior of US blacks. He defeats his own argument.
    I guess he thought no one would notice.

  114. 5371 says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    What, did Sailer run over your dog? Or just not print a comment of yours? Bear your misfortune with stoicism, we’ve all been there.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  115. @5371

    No, I said what I said about Sailer because it is the truth, and I’ve been saying it for almost ten years now, since long before most of you even heard of Sailer. The proof is readily presented in his own memoirs, reminiscences, and autobiographical asides, should you bother to read them.

    And do not condescend me ever again.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @5371
  116. C says:
    @MarkinLA

    Its likely that this is inaccurate as well. If you look at the state data for who is counted as white and who is counted as Hispanic, some states do a good job of classifying mestizos as Hispanics, while others do not. Places like California and Texas do a pretty good job, while places like Florida, New Jersey and Michigan do not.

    I mentioned this in another debate about Hispanic crime rates after Ron Unz came in with his usual defense of Hispanics and crime and he ignored the info about the states like Florida, New Jersey and Michigan while looking at California and Texas and concluding that the government was doing an accurate job classifying criminals.

    Just goes to show no matter who it is, people generally believe their ideology over the truth.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  117. Truth says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    And do not condescend me ever again.

    Gauntlet…dropped.

  118. 5371 says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Well, if you make your charges more precise, you will no longer seem just to be expressing pique, and my first response will no longer be reasonable.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  119. @Intelligent Dasein

    Darwinian evolution and molecular biology are both philosophically untenable disciplines, but nobody understands this because nobody bothers to think about metaphysics anymore.

    Many (from Karl Popper to the creationists) have belabored the philosophical problems of natural selection and molecular biology. (Like Leibnitiz belabored the metaphysical problems of Newtonian physics.) If it’s not taken seriously enough, it’s because generally you can only defeat a reigning scientific theory by means of an alternative theory. And it’s unquestionable that, whatever the precise account, life has evolved.

    Fortunately, we now have an answer to the metaphysical problems of these disciplines. Check out the brilliant Incomplete Nature: How Mind Evolved from Nature by Terrence W. Deacon.

  120. @Stan D Mute

    The professional victim class perpetually whines about offenses that may have happened generations ago. Whites today complain about what is happening right now – today.

    You’re struggling to draw a distinction. (You can probably even sense your own tendentiousness.)

    Professional victims whine primarily about the present. And “whites” do invoke the past: how horrible that the race that has contributed so much is being kicked into the gutter. The way the past is invoked depends on who’s on top: and WASPs + Jews still are. Denying this is part of the white nationalist victimization game.

    And if you profess there is no difference between what may have happened to somebody else in antiquity and what is happening to you at this moment, then you are clearly a Troll.

    “Troll” gets capitalized these days? Perhaps I, too, can claim victim status!

    I make no secret of my ortho-Marxist views. (http://juridicalcoherence.blogspot.com/2012/12/180-capitalism-and-socialism-express.html)

  121. Ragno says:

    I’m torn, because – never thought I’d say this with a straight face – but some of the nicest folks I know are Mexicam. Seriously! But on the other hand illegal immigration, as it has been refashioned in our lifetimes as a cudgel of slow-motion genocide with which to beat traditional white majority populations to death, is the #1 economic and ecological threat facing Western (which is to say white, and let’s stop pretending otherwise) Civilization. And must be addressed.

    Tell you what, though – I’m more than willing to compromise: I’d gladly swap – on an as-is, no-returns, no-questions-asked policy – our blacks even up for Mexicans on a one-for-one basis. I’d sign on for that and sleep like a baby afterwards – anyone would. The problem is finding even a third-world pesthole that would willingly take in our African-Americans en masse under any circumstances. (They’re poor and uneducated, perhaps – that doesn’t mean they’re stupid.)

    How about it, Fred? Te gustas ese idea? No? Que sorpresa!

    • Disagree: Stephen R. Diamond
    • Replies: @Truth
  122. pyrrhus says:
    @Tom_R

    The age of consent may vary by province, but whatever it is, it is a matter of record, not of gossip. Ann is an attorney, as I am, with a great record of being right in her research, so I am pretty sure that she is right and Fred’s random gossip is not.

  123. @5371

    Alright, I’ll try to be be specific.

    I don’t often read Sailer for the very reasons I mentioned above. In fact, I pretty much tuned him out for many years. But I do read the VDARE website, which brings me into the Sailer orbit since his blogs are often cross-posted there. However, without a determined search, which I would rather not spend the time on today, I’m not going to be able to do much better than rough anecdotes.

    For example, I recall a post from years ago on the old iSteve blog in which Sailer was discussing something about testosterone levels among businessmen. The substance of the article involved no departure from the usual Sailerian shtick, but what caught my eye was that Steve described himself as “a low-T kind of guy” who, for that reason, was just not interested in the macho behavior engaged in by young financial professionals. He concluded by observing that women business majors generally convert themselves into supportive helpmates for their alpha-male husbands rather than become business leaders themselves, and that “he had no problem with that.”

    There was a lot I found preposterous about the article. I am disgusted by simplistic talk about “alpha male behavior” among human beings, as if we were just some irrational primate species. Even to the extent that such categories are valid, it is the height of absurdity to suppose that they have anything to do with minute variations in serum testosterone levels between individuals. I don’t consider finance to be a particularly alpha-like field to begin with; it is generally more of a sinecure for those with the right credentials. And I’m not sure why anyone would be surprised to learn that women would rather be wives and helpers than business leaders.

    With so much nonsense afflicting his judgment, I’m not sure that Steve’s observations concerning himself are empirically accurate in any case. But to be a self-confessed “low-T guy” when he believes higher testosterone levels are necessary for manliness, and to profess no interest in the same behaviors which he himself defines as manly, is tantamount to saying, “I’m not much of a man according to my own standards, but I don’t really care.” There is something fundamentally weird about that. Such an attitude gives me the same queasy felling that straight men used to feel in the presence of homosexuals before gay-norming went mainstream. No pity or mercy should be extended to a creature who will not advance its own cause.

    Steve also caters to the grossest stereotypes involving black men and penis size, and in general the role that secondary sex characteristics play in driving miscegenation. Notwithstanding the fact that there is no statistically significant difference between white and black penises, and that even in this day and age miscegenation is rare enough to be considered a nonexistent problem, who the hell spends their time thinking about such things? Is this really the occupation of an adult? Are we to believe that HBD now qualifies as sober, hard-hitting journalism because because Steve has a dot chart showing that black male/white female couples slightly outnumber white male/black female couples?

    Now couple all this with Steve’s constant whining about not being allowed to write for the mainstream media. He and his fans would fain believe that this is attributable to his topics being too “edgy” and contrary to the PC narrative. In reality it is because HBD is ridiculous and practically nobody cares about it. HBD is the exclusive concern of a handful of internet weirdos who seem to have motivations which are, to say the least, mysterious;–like Steve Sailor, the self-described wimp who likes to write about black manliness and hang out with Taki; like John Derbyshire, the White Nationalist with the Asian wife.

    As far as the alt-right is concerned, HBD (like that other vile three-letter abbreviation, PUA) is a waste of time. A fascination with it is the mark of a loser, a freak, or a hypocrite. It is not at all necessary for the political goals of the movement; and as it is founded on pseudoscientific absurdity, it only makes the rest of us appear that much more ridiculous by association. We had a very successful segregated society for hundreds of years here in America without a trace of HBD entering into the matter. All that’s needed is political realism and genuine (not imaginary) virtue among whites. I’ll take that over gene sequences any day.

  124. Pepe says:
    @Scott

    Here’s a pretty good metric for a failed country: you risk your life by driving at night.

    You got that right:

    “Mexico tests DNA of burned bodies as fears for Australian surfers grow”

    “Dean Lucas, 33, and Adam Coleman, 33, were on a road trip from Edmonton in Canada to the city of Guadalajara in Mexico but failed to appear as planned on 21 November.

    Prosecutors in the northern state of Sinaloa said on Monday that they had begun DNA tests on the bodies, which were found in the burnt-out wreckage of a Chevrolet van registered by Coleman in Alberta, Canada.

    “While violent incidents can occur anywhere and at any time, they most frequently occur at night and on isolated roads. To reduce risk when traveling by road, we strongly urge you to travel between cities throughout Mexico only during daylight hours.”

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/30/mexico-confirms-burned-out-van-belonged-missing-australian-travelers

  125. Anon7 says:
    @Ken Smith

    Here’s the latest from the New York Times, our nation’s self-described paper of record:

    “Once again, smugglers are bringing hundreds of women and children each day to the Mexican banks of the river and sending them across in rafts. In a season when illegal crossings normally go down, “The numbers have started going the other way,” said Raul L. Ortiz, acting chief of the Border Patrol for the Rio Grande Valley. Since Oct. 1, official figures show, Border Patrol apprehensions of migrant families in this region have increased 150 percent over the same period last year, while the number of unaccompanied children caught by agents has more than doubled.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/27/us/number-of-migrants-illegally-crossing-rio-grande-rises-sharply.html

  126. @rod1963

    “I also remember the Rodney King riots where these Central American imports happily joined the black rioters.”

    I recall someone in the MSM excused the Rodney King riots because “many of the rioters were not black.”

  127. Pepe says:
    @Ken Smith

    Americans concerned about a flood of illegals crossing the border might find the following article of interest:

    More Mexicans Leaving Than Coming to the U.S.
    Net Loss of 140,000 from 2009 to 2014; Family Reunification Top Reason for Return

    http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/

    Pew acknowledged that the supposed net negative number, looking at data through July 2014, was completely reversed in 2015. It really looks like they rushed out the “study” before the new surges began in 2014:

    “Here are the numbers obfuscated by Pew and ignored by the media:

    From 2009-2014, net migration was -140,000. Because of the recession, roughly 140,000 more Mexican nationals left the country than migrated in from Mexico.

    Yet, from July 2014 through June 2015, the trend was completely reversed. There was a 740,000 net increase in Mexican migration. The population from Mexico grew 449,000 in just the first 6 months of 2015 alone!

    And this doesn’t factor in the massive influx from Central American countries. There has been a 460,000 net increase in immigration from Central America since July 2014.”

    https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2015/11/appallingly-dishonest-pew-study-on-immigration-trend-from-mexico

    I never believed the net zero meme. It’s absurd to expect to accurately count the number of Mexican illegals entering and living in the US. All “official” numbers are just guesses.

    Instead, I will repeat what was told to Fred by Mexican attorney and ardent feminist Marta Villarreal — a friend of mine who I introduced to Fred as he was researching for his column. As to the belief held by Coulter and other Americans that the age of consent in Mexico is 12, Marta says: “It’s not true. They don’t understand the law.”

    It’s silly to talk about an age of consent in Mexico, when many parents would be thrilled to have their 12 or 13 year daughter go live with a wealthy foreigner or a “paisano” returning with loads of $$$ earned in the US. In indigena/indian areas, you could “most parents.”

    Plus, Mexico has a non-existent criminal justice system.

    In practice, if the parents or relatives disagree with the coupling, they beat the crap out of the guy or kill him. No one runs to the police screaming “statutory rape.”

    Down here you only see reports of parents or relatives prosecuted for having sex with young girls.

  128. Beach says:
    @joe webb

    …Mexicans mostly just child molest …

    There’s no “just” in it. You have to dig to find a more heinous crime. If someone had molested one of your children when they were young, I doubt your response would’ve been to shrug and say, “Meh, he was just molested.”

  129. Leftist conservative [AKA "radical_centrist"] says: • Website
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I somewhat agree with you—HBD is real, but is WAY overrated…and I also want to stop immigration, and want racial segregation…as for sailer, he is not weird, but is instead a worshiper of what is considered normal and mainstream—he favors the viewpoint of the rich and powerful, in general.

  130. vinteuil says:

    Look. Fred Reed is a silly old fart who can’t even appreciate the difference between Da Vinci & Velasquez, on the one hand, and Piet Mondrian, on the other. It’s not like he’s capable, at this stage in his life, of changing his mind about anything. You might as well try to argue with your cat.

  131. MarkinLA says:
    @C

    One problem that a lot of these studies have is that they use incarceration rates as a proxy for overall crime. A lot of petty crime never results in incarceration especially now with the jails overcrowded.In LA County, a sentence of 90 days or less gets you about 6 hours in the processing center thanks to all the Hispanics who make up the huge majority of prisoners.

    A lot of crime is simply not reported. They just opened a Smart and Final plus in our (heavily Hispanic) neighborhood. I was joking with one of the produce guys that the reason you can’t go in the exit (many stores do not have dedicated entrance and exit doors and can be both) is because the booze is next to that door and they don’t want dash and grab thefts.

    He said YES. Then he said they in their month of operation had already had one of their powered carts for the disabled stolen and they have pictures of 20 shoplifters posted in the break room in case they come back.

    How much of the Hispanic crime is committed by people who are deported after their sentence or simply deported without ever being incarcerated.

    The reason why this is important is because these crime studies are being used to push the amnesty agenda – Hispanics are no more likely to commit crimes than Anglos. However what about all those deportees sitting in Mexican and central American prisons for crimes they committed once they were deported. Some prisons are full of 18th Street Gang members or MS-13. What about all the crime they commit down there that they are not incarcerated for since many were involved with drug dealing in the US and just went down there and joined whatever cartel was operating in their old neighborhood?

  132. panjoomby says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    HBD is not pseudoscience.

    the HBD acronym joined an academic research field that had long been “in progress.”

    almost a century of good research (& test publishing) in intelligence existed before “HBD.”

    most people outside the academic area of intelligence research have no idea of the accuracy & stability of ability measurement – e.g., the consistent & highly replicated underlying general mental ability factor.

    measurement/stats in test norming & publishing is accurate & stable across the lifespan.

    intelligence research has been shoehorned into “HBD” as a subset – academic intelligence research & test publishing existed long before the nonscientific people (those who don’t understand the concept of overlapping normal curves) glommed on for the ride.

  133. @Intelligent Dasein

    “We had a very successful segregated society for hundreds of years here in America without a trace of HBD entering into the matter.”

    False. Legally or culturally enforced segregation in America has always been accompanied by HBD inspired narratives of native differences between peoples.

    Also, be wary of assessing strength and courage in people you haven’t met.

    Neil

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  134. i think the point is the Mexicans there are not like the Mexicans that come here…..

  135. Dipwill says:

    Hey Fred, since it went unremarked, what happened to this article that stood more than anything as a masturbatory screed about the white man’s incomparable greatness?

    http://www.unz.com/freed/are-white-men-gods-ii/

    And included claims that the white man invented the following:

    “Every symphony ever written.”
    “Air conditioning. ”
    “Dentistry.”
    “Surgery.”
    “Roads.”
    “Buildings.”
    “The Bible.”
    “Elvis.”

    I asked how this squared with your Mexican wife and your love of Mexico- what do you want to stand by? Your unique defenses of Latin America or your claims that white men invented among other things, buildings, and therefore everyone else slept in their own shit, and that Elvis (who was part native american) is worth mentioning in the same breath as the building blocks of modern science?

  136. Dipwill says:
    @Lord Effington Three Sticks

    Mexican cartels are very large and well organized. Their tactics and reach are on par with terrorist and insurgent groups elsewhere in the world. Not to deny the IQ deficit*, but Mexican (and other latin american ones) are not clear examples of this.

    In that vein, I find it ironic how various HBDers, who pine on about Siciliy/southern italian, speak of the mafia in the same breath as southern Italy’s supposed IQ deficit, when the mafia’s organization and reach has always been the opposite. It’s in the name- “organized crime.” But these are people who like to act like Sicily is such an incredibly alien, isolated place compared to the rest of Europe (not to deny it is one of the most dysfunctional parts though), and that it took Richard Lynn’s boundless insight (who is NOT overwhelmingly full of himself and essentially a charlatan) to reveal to us their IQ is as low as that of Mexicans.

    And don’t forget Albania having an IQ as low as 80, another gem from him.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  137. Dipwill says:
    @Anonymous

    Mexico is absolutely nothing like Ireland. The claimed IQ for Ireland is absolutely wrong- there’s nothing to suggest Ireland is really much different (if at all) from the typical Europe average of 100. Irish american criminality isn’t on par with mexican americans, and Ireland vs. Mexico… yeeeeah, not even close. Ireland is one of the most developed and safest countries on earth. Mexico is largely a dump with drug cartels that resemble insurgent groups in the middle east and africa.

    I don’t know Ireland’s history especially well, but they were clearly more backwards until fairly recently and similar to Sicily, but somewhere along the line, also fairly recently, Ireland and the Irish eschewed these characteristics and became much more like the rest of Western Europe. People like Jayman speak of Irish clanishness and how this was reflected in Irish criminal syndicates in the 1800′s in the US, which is fair, but seem prone to acting like there’s something more deep-seated/farther reaching with the dysfunction of Sicily and eastern europe.

  138. @Stan D Mute

    There is NO twelve year old white child (CHILD!) who should be subjected to use for sex EVER.

    I think children shouldn’t (as the general rule) be legally prosecuted for sex with similarly aged children. If you think your war against “pedophilia” warrants using the elites’ state power to prosecute children, I’d call you a child sadist.

  139. @Neil Templeton

    False. Legally or culturally enforced segregation in America has always been accompanied by HBD inspired narratives of native differences between peoples.

    I anticipated that argument; and without belaboring the point, I will just say that it illustrates exactly what is wrong with HBD. Obviously, no legal or cultural segregation can exist without some means of discriminating between people. The idea that there are intrinsic differences between (for example) whites and blacks is entirely supported by experience. The experience is so basic and visceral, however, that it is not the sort of thing anybody feels the need to defend unless it is being attacked by an external agency. Then people reach out for “narratives” to help explain what never needed explaining before.

    Some of those narratives from the past may have veered into areas currently classified under the heading of biological differences. So what? The point is not that such examples can be found–after all, there were plenty of cranks and pseudoscientists in the past as well. The point is, what significance did those narratives possess? How and why were they received? Did people believe in intrinsic differences because they were convinced by the narrative, or did they buy the narrative only because they already believed in the differences?

    The problem with HBD is that it completely elides the distinction between intrinsic differences and biological differences. Being biological determinists, HBDers can conceive of no intrinsic difference that is not biological. They do not do metaphysics.

    Also, be wary of assessing strength and courage in people you haven’t met.

    Yes, be wary indeed.

    • Replies: @Stephen R. Diamond
  140. @Bragadocious

    BraggaD,

    You forgot the Black undertow, they invented the Hoover Dam, too. They want Rushmore torn down. Don’t you know we’re all African at the end of the day? Just LOOK at their great works. Custodians of Africa, a country teeming with oil, gold, diamonds and copper! But it took white guys to get at it for them. And their government is collapsing.

  141. Although i wont want to be believed, i do not want to make overly value laden judgements.
    1. Mexican immigration ? A structural issue, largely consequent on NAFTA and the destruction of mexican peasant agriculture, and the domination of neoliberalism over all aspects of mexico’s economy.
    1a. Mexican immigration: supported by elites as a gravitation pull towards wage suppression ?
    2. Mexican crime ? Dont like it ? Stop buying their drugs…where else do they get the bulk of their money ?
    3. US immigration ? Goes beyond mexico. Standard rule applies: greater the dis equalibrium of wealth/wages between neighbours the greater the liklihood you will get flows from low to high. Fair trade and policy adapted to each countries national needs would be a start.
    4. Mexican corruption ? The spainish set such a high standard, didn’t they ? Low per capita income, great income disparity and a weak legal system = good ingredients for corruption stew…?
    5. Mexicans in the US ? Deny they are an easy target ? Deny that 30 odd years of neoliberalism has not sent fissures and rot deep into American culture and society….Are mexicans innocent ? No, but theres an awful LOT of guilt to go round…

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  142. 5371 says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Having some experience on the internet, I find it most refreshing that Sailer never boasts of any personal military record or sporting achievements, of exercising a magnetic hold over the female sex, or of repelling and deterring any physical attacks. I share your discomfort with many aspects of the HBD movement, especially its fetishisation of IQ and careless use of the Greek alphabet. But these characteristics reflect the average exponent, and I perceive Sailer as considerably above that level. Not an infallible imam, but a highly stimulating and genuinely curious journalist. Are those qualities really so common that we can afford to despise them? All men naturally strive after knowledge.

    • Agree: Stephen R. Diamond
    • Replies: @Truth
  143. @Intelligent Dasein

    HBDers can conceive of no intrinsic difference that is not biological.

    While I don’t think I’m an HBDer, I still can’t conceive of an intrinsic difference (between races qua races) that isn’t biological. Can you provide more of a clue?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  144. Truth says:
    @Stan D Mute

    Whites today complain about what is happening right now – today.

    So let me get this straight; the “professional victim class” just started whining about it 300 years later?

  145. Truth says:
    @Ragno

    I’d gladly swap – on an as-is, no-returns, no-questions-asked policy – our blacks even up for Mexicans on a one-for-one basis.

    Well, that’s a totally original sentiment around these parts.

    But lets make it interesting, how about a one-for-five basis. Would you Rango, and I’m making you king for the day, swap 38.5 million black people, for 192.5 million Mexicans; in addition to the 50 million we already have, for a new total of 242.5 million Mexicans to go with 200 Million whites and whoever else?

    WELL SPEAK UP, SON!

  146. Truth says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Steve also caters to the grossest stereotypes involving black men and penis size, and in general the role that secondary sex characteristics play in driving miscegenation.

    See, the guy’s not all bad.

  147. Truth says:
    @5371

    Having some experience on the internet, I find it most refreshing that Sailer never boasts of any personal military record or sporting achievements, of exercising a magnetic hold over the female sex, or of repelling and deterring any physical attacks.

    Hey Unz, I guess you’ll have to pull out of those negotiations on offering Twinkie and Joe Webb columns.

  148. @Stephen R. Diamond

    I would love to, but it’s a far-ranging and lengthy project. I’m not sure how to advert to something which ought to be common knowledge but isn’t.

    Basically, I’m saying that substantial differences must be differences of soul, not of biology. In fact, even to the extent that such differences are reflected in biology, they arise from the immaterial substantial form, i.e. the soul.

    Are you familiar with Aristotle? Hylemorphic composition? Have you read De Anima? It’s readily available online, free of charge.

    • Replies: @iffen
    , @Pierre
    , @vinteuil
    , @Junior
  149. YIH says:

    ”If you want to criticize Mexico, stick to facts, such as that it is corrupt to the roots of its teeth and terribly governed, that the narcos are out of control, the police criminals, and that it qualifies as a failed state by some (reasonable) definitions.”
    And yet Fred can’t wrap his brain around the notion that there are people who don’t want to see places like California, or for that matter, the rest of the US transformed into that.

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/sailer-in-takis-turf-wars-the-problem-and-the-promise/

    ”And as a grown-up I think it’s only reasonable to not want Southern California to turn into another outpost of Latin America—Tijuana is okay to visit, but I wouldn’t want to live there.”

  150. MarkinLA says:
    @Dipwill

    Organized crimes most important features are it’s discipline and size just like that of an army. The intelligence of the average “soldier” is way down the list of necessities. Those people just have to ruthlessly follow orders. Their size means that there will be people around to intimidate anybody who resists (rats) on them so the many crimes will never be reported.

    It doesn’t take that much intelligence to run the organization either. The Colombians aren’t designing and building those drug submarines themselves, they pay somebody else to do it. You probably can’t be a complete idiot but I doubt an IQ above 100 is needed.

  151. MarkinLA says:
    @animalogic

    A structural issue, largely consequent on NAFTA and the destruction of mexican peasant agriculture,

    Wrong. NAFTA wasn’t ratified until 1994 and the effects certainly didn’t happen overnight. Mexico had a economic crisis that probably had more to do with it than NAFTA.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_peso_crisis

    Just plain old Mexican corruption – Occam’s razor.

  152. iffen says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    I find the novelty of your idea interesting. All my life I have been around people who insist that blacks and whites are mentally and physically different and incompatible, but just as fervently insist that their souls are the same. Now you tell me that biologically we are the same but our soul is different.

  153. WhatEvvs [AKA "Internet Addict"] says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond

    Bingo.

    The WN attitude towards Jews is the same attitude as blacks have towards “white privilege.” It’s mythical but it makes inadequate people feel better about personal failure.

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  154. @Intelligent Dasein

    “As far as the alt-right is concerned, HBD (like that other vile three-letter abbreviation, PUA) is a waste of time. A fascination with it is the mark of a loser, a freak, or a hypocrite.”

    You’ve been spending quite a bit of time here.

  155. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    If I were a Mexican, I would be violently angry at the way Americans have screwed over my country, turning it into a drug-and-violent-crime sewer by creating a huge magnet of illegal-drug money. Yes, Mexico has problems, but we are responsible for much of the worst part.

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  156. MarkinLA says:
    @Anonymous

    Please, coca doesn’t grow in Mexico and neither does meth (joke). In addition, the pot grown in America is superior in many cases to Mexican weed. You might have an argument if the raw materials of the drug trade could only come from Mexico and a bunch of Americans were forcing Mexicans to increase production but that isn’t what is happening. They are voluntarily entering the market and using violence to hold onto market share.

    Of course if you were a Mexican who was violently angry it would be because you are stupid and have no ability to see the total picture and would want to blame anybody but yourself.

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  157. Pierre says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Basically, I’m saying that substantial differences must be differences of soul, not of biology. In fact, even to the extent that such differences are reflected in biology, they arise from the immaterial substantial form, i.e. the soul.

    Is there any evidence for this?

  158. With any broad demographic group, there are goods and bads.

    Mexican people and culture have many positives, but there are real negatives too. Often it’s bad taste, mean, and miserable to notice the negatives demographic groups, but they are often completely true. Sure, many Mexicans are absolutely amazing people, and there are great broad traits to the culture, but there are very real negatives as well. Also, if you meet an amazing person from a particular demographic group, which there are many amazing Mexican people, you often want to fight any racism away to help them. But some racist stereotypes are still completely true.

    One example, is Mexicans have their own racism. My wife worked at a US middle school with a student body that is ~90%+ Mexican American. The small number of white students in attendance are brutally bullied for their race. Adults are completely different from children in this respect. Mexican adults are usually completely respectful to whites, but even the Mexican adults at that school will agree that there is anti-white racism and white families shouldn’t send their kids to a 90%+ Mexican American school.

    I know a Mexican American adult who points out how despite the school faculty bending over backwards, that high school kids fiercely divide by race. Adults, not as much.

    Ann Coulter is generally correct and very insightful but it’s often a real negative to think about. That’s how all HBD is.

    I’d also stress that some of the Coulter/HBD/VDare is an over reaction to the mainstream tendency to aggressively deny or hide any negative patterns in non-white demographics.

  159. vinteuil says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    OK, ID, so you’re partial to Aristotelian metaphysics, and you think it can’t be reconciled with HBD? Have I got that right?

    I, too, find Thomistic/Aristotelian metaphysics quite interesting – I teach its elements, as best I can, with some regularity, at a little Jesuit College in the Midwest.

    But I’ve never been able to see the incompatibility. If anything, I think that HBD would *gain* in credibility were it to throw off the legacy of Hume & his successors and embrace the reality of the *final cause.*

  160. @vinteuil

    Well, if I understand correctly what you’re getting at, I suppose that would be fine, but it would necessarily involve a very different definition of HBD than the one currently in place (especially the ‘B’ part).

    Obviously, I believe that there are very real, significant, and intractable physiognomic distinctions between the races; and yes, this is entirely compatible with Aristotelian metaphysics. My main beef here is with Darwinism and molecular genetics, which are not.

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  161. RobRich says: • Website

    Offer Mexican states US statehood and be done with it.

  162. @Honesthughgrant

    If Coulter and others are somewhat unfair in their generalizations about Mexican immigrants, so what? It just counteracts the massive propaganda…

    Being reliable as to facts is actually helpful in countering propaganda when your audience or your readership hasn’t already decided to agree with you. Coulter’s goal is provocation rather than persuasion; accuracy is rarely provocative enough to suit her. Appreciating Coulter, or not, is a matter of taste. Relying on her version of the facts or, worse, proclaiming her an avatar of truth, is reckless when your goal is persuasion, in that it will too often trigger a rejection of your arguments.

  163. @Leftist conservative

    there is a lot of truth to what you say, fred, but we don’t really care….we white americans have been watching the elite of america demonize us from decades, and we have been watching the elite of america idolize nonwhites for decades. What the elite have been doing is wrong, evil, and we are fighting back with everything we have. One way we are fighting back is elevating whites in social status and lowering nonwhites in social status, the opposite of what the elite institutions have been doing for decades.

    Fred, War is Hell. And this is war. You don’t like it? Tough titty.

    I like this comment. Its candor is engaging, but I don’t agree. When you abandon factual accuracy, you are not really fighting with everything you have.

    Ann Coulter is effective at provocation, but not persuasion. Fred Reed excels at both. At most, she’s using only half her brain. He uses each half of his. She’s a celebrity who confirms what her fans already believe. He’s under the radar, enlisting facts to make people question their beliefs on every side.

  164. “Sometimes it seems to me that I am the only gringo on this whole sorry planet who does not think Mexicans are scum–filthy, perverted, and witless.”

    This sounds like the cry of the libs who think all whites are racists by being white.

  165. van says:

    I have an affinity for the USA I grew up in, – thats the heart of it. I see shows on TV about the no go zones due to Mexican drug gangs, and this is not a part of the US I grew up in.
    What is a 70 yr old white guy supposed to do- welcome the invasion? What can I do? not much, but don’t ask me to celebrate diversity. There is always an element of the exotic to a foreign culture, and the Mexican culture in the south west before 1960 was like that, nice to visit and respect, and then come home. I suppose the best result now is a canonization of the US, where at least people can find some refuge for their own culture.
    Now if you are white, this means you are a bigot. If not white, it is simply a realization of the celebration of your roots. -The federal government is simply after the destruction of any vestige of the American life I remember. It is frankly too late to save the whole country, and a sea change in Washington allowing this sort of canonization is all I can hope for now. The civil rights legislation of the 1960′s will have to go. If i was Amish, do i not have the right to live in a community with people that can surround themselves in a culture the have chosen? If the Amish community decides some businesses – and frankly some people, are not wanted in their faces, is it against some federal law? If the people in Zion Illinois want to put a cross on the side of their police cars, why is this now outlawed?

    The maximum freedom does not accrue to a society in which laws are enacted to promote a culture neutral world with hostility toward traditional values, at least not on a nationwide scale. Canonization is the only hope, and this can be done only with vast national changes. Frankly I don’t care of some counties in Los Vegas allow prostitution. It’s their back yard. Why can’t the Federal Government show the same respect to local culture in the public square , county by county. and let people to move to the place that suits them. Thats why gun control does not work. This is a culture war issue, and the urban sophisticates want to ban guns. I grew up in a small down basically rural place where guns were everywhere, and one policy is not suitable for the entire country. The argument goes that bad people can buy guns in hick-ville and do their evil back in the city, but contraband in a big city comes in by the ton anyway (in the case of marijuana ) so if people want guns, there is merely a cost premium in a city- thats all.

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  167. Okie says:

    Even the UN has weighed in on Mexico’s age of consent being 12, as well as the Mexican propensity for kid splint and trafficking women and girls as sex slaves. It sounds to me that the Mexican women you are citing are every bit as corrupt as the fascists they keep electing into government. They should talk to the Mexican women in Mexico City who demanded seperate city buses as they were fed up with Mexican molesting them on a daily basis. But hey, since you are bursting with do much offense over how the vermin Mexico pushes over the US border to be the US’s problem, you and your puta echo chamber should invite them back to Mexico, tell them your casa is theirs, and your tax dollars too.

  168. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @Emblematic

    Showing a picture of run-down Detroit is hardly an argument against HBD.

    Okay, so how about a video of run-down Appalachia as an argument against the stupidity of HBD? More to your liking?

  169. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @Jim

    Fred, the violence of the Mexican drug gangs goes far beyond anything that the Mafia did. I’m not saying that the Mafia was not capable of violence but nothing like the indiscriminate slaughter perpetuated by the Mexican drug gangs.

    Okay, so maybe the Serbian Slaughter would be more to you and Lord Effington’s liking? How does that compare to the Mexican gangs on your slaughter scale?

  170. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Basically, I’m saying that substantial differences must be differences of soul, not of biology. In fact, even to the extent that such differences are reflected in biology, they arise from the immaterial substantial form, i.e. the soul.

    You have a very interesting and different belief than these psuedoscience HBDers and it intrigues me. I haven’t read De Anima, but am I to understand you correctly that you believe that the soul manifests itself into a certain race and that it chooses that race that it re-incarnates into based on a different level of “superiority” that each race represents?

  171. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @vinteuil

    I, too, find Thomistic/Aristotelian metaphysics quite interesting – I teach its elements, as best I can, with some regularity, at a little Jesuit College in the Midwest.

    But I’ve never been able to see the incompatibility.

    I’m also intrigued by your teaching metaphysics at a Jesuit College because I feel that the two would probably have a lot of incompatibility. I’m curious, do you run into a lot of things that religion and metaphysics might be at odds with one another about? Do you ever go into discussions about re-incarnation of the soul, in regards to what I THINK Intelligent Dasein was referring to? Do you ever discuss early church teachings, as with Origen, about re-incarnation that were made anathema by Emperor Justinian’s decree? I should also say, I believe in re-incarnation and that is the reason for my curiosity.

  172. Junior [AKA "Jr."] says:
    @vinteuil

    I should also say, I know that you were talking about whether Metaphysics is incompatible with HBD and so I’m sorry to take it on a different tangent but your post sparked my curiosity.

  173. @MarkinLA

    My understanding of how the U.S. screwed up Mexico is that it pressured the Mexican state to engage in the “war on drugs,” which predictably strengthened the drug cartels.

  174. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Modern Darwinian evolutionary theory is proud that it has cast off the quaint Aristotelean notion of teleological cause, causa finalis. Instead, it sticks to the strict scientificity of efficient cause. Or so it claims. Evolution is said to proceed via natural selection that selects the successful living species that are generated by chance mutations of genes. The criterion of success is simply that a species survives, for there is a so-called ‘struggle of survival’ among the species.

    Teleological explanation, by contrast, is said to ‘explain’ the successful features of living beings that allow them to survive in terms of their purposeful design by some maker or other. For instance, the beaks of certain species of finches would be designed to be adapted specifically to a certain environment, thus enabling the finches to successfully survive to the point of reproduction. (If you don’t believe this is how teleology in evolution is thought about, listen to the reputable philosopher of science, Michael Ruse, in his recent lecture on the Gaia Hypothesis.) Evolutionary theory pooh poohs the ‘ridiculous’ idea of teleological design.

    But is evolutionary theory too quick to assume airs of superiority?

    First of all, its claim to stick to efficient causality is shaky, since the mutation of species relies essentially on chance, i.e. contingency. In Aristotle’s thinking this is change _kata symbebaekos_, i.e. change that just ‘comes along’ (from _symbainein_ ‘to go along with’). Mutations just ‘happen’, without any cause at all being able to be named, let alone any efficient cause. Contingent being, i.e. the mode of being _kata symbebaekos_, is opposed in Aristotle to being _kath’ auto_, i.e. being according to itself, or being in itself, intrinsic, essential being. Thus e.g. human being is ‘according to itself’ being that ‘has the logos, language’, whereas whether a human being is white is contingent; whiteness just ‘comes along’ as an accidental attribute to human being.

    Second of all, and more importantly, that life has a _telos_ does not boil down to the notion that each species were purposefully designed. Purpose (_hou heneka_) in Aristotle is not to be equated with _telos_, since it is only one kind of _telos_. The scientists miss this. Furthermore, they overlook that they already unwittingly name the _telos_ of life, of course, without thinking at all about it, for they say there is a ‘struggle for survival’. This means life is essentially a will to live. According to Aristotle (and today, modern science is by no means beyond Aristotle, but abysmally ignorant of his thinking), life is that mode of being characterized essentially by _metabolae kath’ auto_, i.e. by movement/change from within itself. Living beings move/change by themselves, rather than having to be moved by something else. Aristotle has four kinds of movement/change according to i) where (locomotion), ii) how much (growth and decay) iii) how (qualitative change, such as when a dog learns a new trick or a tree’s leaves change colour) and iv) what (reproduction). The last named is a synonym for survival of the species. Life is that mode of being that strives to perpetuate itself.

    Now, the evolutionary scientists’ next move is to pooh pooh the idea that life could be characterized as essentially a will to live. Where’s the will? they ask. Have you asked a plant lately what it wants? But there are different levels of will. Will that sees what change it wants and strives to get it is purposeful will. Wishing is a will that doesn’t strive. Urge or drive is blind will, but nevertheless directed toward some end, some _telos_. Living beings are essentially characterized by the urge to survive. This urge includes the drives to flee or otherwise avert life-threatening danger, to nourish themselves, to reproduce.

    So scientific evolutionary theory, albeit implicitly, smuggles in from the outset the _telos_ of all life: the urge to survive. Life is that mode of being with the urge to perpetuate its own self-movement. All living beings strive essentially to bring themselves into presence and maintain this self-moving presence for as long as possible. One aspect of life’s self-movement is reproduction itself, through which the species itself is propagated.

    Evolutionary theory is at a loss to account for the essence, the nature of life itself as self-movement. Its apparatus of efficient causality must capitulate before this self-presencing of life itself. This does not prevent it, however, from blindly and vainly seeking the efficient causes of life itself through, say. molecular biology, thus maintaining the efficient causal hierarchy for the ultimate scientific explanation of the cosmos from physics through chemistry to biology (and then on to explaining human consciousness itself as some complicated kind of neuronal processing).

    Modern science is in its essence wedded to efficient causality, i.e. to effectiveness, and it will defend to the bitter end this betrothal to the will to effective power — that is, until there is an historical occasion for an alternative way of thinking to make inroads against its dogma. Modern science’s arrogant over-self-confidence is the present-day form of superstition that reigns in the universities right through the media to everyday prejudices.

  175. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Why does UNZ Review even link to Vdare in the first place? They are a bastion of the old white supremacist ideals that have plagued this country for far too long and continue to fester on the far right.

    And Ann Coulter is a fair target – if not for her facts in this case, for her misuse of the language. Pedophelia is a sexual attraction to persons of either gender who have not yet reached the start of puberty. Twelve year olds, especially girls, have. So while you may consider it underage, it’s not pedophilia, Ms. Coulter!

    And it wasn’t that long ago the the minimum age for a female at marriage in many US states was 12 – or younger – provided one or both parents gave consent. Just look back to the 1940s, even to the 1950s and 60s.

    Get rid of that vdare link. Please! That isn’t independent news, it’s just hate and misinformation.

  176. Fred-the-gringo-immigrant in Mexico isn’t about to say anything negative about Mexicans immigrants in the US.

    Or say anything negative about Israel cynically massacring the crew of a US Navy ship:
    — [ gtr5.org ].

  177. Fact of the matter is, Fred, more immigration from South of the Border to America is not good. Lucky for you, the DoJ just added an ‘offender’ category for ‘Hispanics’.

    http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

    Nice picture of Detroit. Over 80 percent black. Proving our point.

    “Some HBDers use shoddy pictures” “Some HBDers say wrong things” OK?

    “Hispanics” commit more crimes than whites. “Hispanics” attack whites more often then they attack other groups. Do you want more of that in America?

  178. anarchyst says:
    @Anonymous

    Edison was a huckster and promoter who took the honest efforts of others and put his own name on them in order to promote his own self-image. His “inventions” were actually produced by others, and had little of his input on them.
    During the “war of the currents”, he showboated the “dangers” of alternating current by publicly electrocuting elephants and other large animals. Edison’s direct current systems were technologically inferior.
    Edison screwed Tesla out of wages for engineering work done, as he told Tesla that when he promised him a certain amount of money after one year, “he was just joking”.
    Edison’s single TRUE claim to fame was the establishment of the first true “research laboratory” (General Electric)…nothing more.
    Our present polyphase power distribution system can be directly attributed to Tesla.
    It is ironic that Edison’s General Electric had to be dragged kicking and screaming into accepting the alternating current system.

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