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America again wins the annual International Math Olympiad! The contest pits the brightest high-school students of countries against each other in six-member teams. The American victories continue the mastery by the European cultures that invented most of modern math. This supports the claim (I hope I do not sound racist) that European superiority is genetic. In any event, the outcome is crucial because these young prodigies will shape the future of their peoples for many decades.

US Ties with China in 2019 Math Olympiad.
The team: Vincent Huang, Luke Robitaille, Colin Tang, Edward Wan, Brandon Wang, and Daniel Zhu.
US Ties with China in 2019 Math Olympiad.
The team: Vincent Huang, Luke Robitaille, Colin Tang, Edward Wan, Brandon Wang, and Daniel Zhu.
2018 Math Olympiad, US First!
Team: Adam Ardeishar, Andrew Gu, Vincent Huang, James Lin, Michael Ren and Mihir Singhal.
2018 Math Olympiad, US First!
Team: Adam Ardeishar, Andrew Gu, Vincent Huang, James Lin, Michael Ren and Mihir Singhal.
2017  Another win!
Members of the first-place 2017 U.S. team: Ankan Bhattacharya, Zachary Chroman, Andrew Gu, Vincent Huang, James Lin, and Junyao Peng.
2017 Another win!
Members of the first-place 2017 U.S. team: Ankan Bhattacharya, Zachary Chroman, Andrew Gu, Vincent Huang, James Lin, and Junyao Peng.

2016 America first again!

Team members: Ankan Bhattacharya, Michael Kural, Allen Liu, Junyao Peng, Ashwin Sah and Yuan Yao. All six team members received individual gold medals, and Liu and Yao earned perfect scores.
Team members: Ankan Bhattacharya, Michael Kural, Allen Liu, Junyao Peng, Ashwin Sah and Yuan Yao. All six team members received individual gold medals, and Liu and Yao earned perfect scores.

Yet another American victory. Will they never end? The 2019 European Girls Math Olympiad. U.S Championship Team: Emma Qin , Ishika Shah, Janabel Xia and Catherine Wu. Meghal Gupta served as team leader and Rachel Zhang as deputy leader.

We should be gratified by America’s victories over all other Asian countries.

Despite the overwhelming dominance of Americans in math, pessimists point with alarm at developments which they believe show that the United States is losing its edge. Not so. Appearances can be deceptive. Let us examine some of these (unnecessarily) gloomy tales:

China Exceeds US in Number of Companies in Fortune 500”

This may seem ominous. In fact it is no cause for worry. The New York Stock Exchange is at an alltime high. Wall Street prospers. The growing rate of suicide in Middle America, much bemoaned by conservatives, should actually be applauded for its eugenic effects: It will raise American intelligence. In the long run, this will benefit America.

Forbes : ““The World Economic Forum calculates that China had at least 4.7 million recent STEM grads as of 2016; India had 2.6 million as of 2017; the U.S. pulls in at third at 568,000.”

Again, there is no reason for concern It is actually a sign of China’s weakness: If its students knew stuff, they wouldn’t have to go to school, would they?

Yes, Forbes says that in many American universities, departments of math, engineering, and the hard sciences would close if it weren’t for foreign students, largely Chinese. Why is this thought bad? Obviously the more money MIT and CalTech drain from the Chinese economy in tuition, the less money Beijing will have to spend on research and development. Slowly but surely, this impoverishment will bring China down.

To be sure, the Chinese can do a few things well, such as making pencils and little paper umbrellas for expensive drinks. By contrast, American universities excel in inclusiveness, the care and feeding of barely sentient diversity-admits, and courses such as Batman and the Struggle for Gender Equity. China cannot compete at this level.

Democrats unanimous as House passes bill forcing schools to let male athletes compete in girls’ sports”

The Chinese regard this as insanity, as they do most of American behavior. Here we see their lack of originality as they are just following the rest of the world.

Overestimation of the Chinese runs rampant among American intellectuals. Here we have:

As 5G networks begin rolling out and commercializing around the world, telecoms vendors are rushing to get a headstart. Huawei equipment is now behind two-thirds of the commercially launched 5G networks outside China….”

This is easily misinterpreted. Talking heads, unencumbered by knowledge of either technology or economics, espy doom. They say that China’s lead in 5G represents the beginning of a global shift in technological leadership. They further say that Trump, by banning Huawei in America while the rest of the world adopts it, is putting the US two years behind the rest of the world.

This is nonsense. Well, it is at least misunderstood. The very savvy Trump is letting the Chinese spend to develop 5G. When they have done the heavy lifting, Washington will buy it from them for a song and perhaps some soybeans. The resources thus saved by America will be spent on more pressing needs, such as nuclear bombers. It’s like, you know, economic jiu jitsu.

A study” describes the domination of scientists and engineers in the Chinese political elite at all levels. Worth reading. A sentence extracted: “This means that 8 out of 10 among them have four-year degrees or more in science or engineering.”

By contrast, I find (can I possibly be right?) in the 535 members of Congress one PhD in math, and one in physics. This is actually a good thing as it shows that our government is truly democratic and Of The People, which is to say technically illiterate, not very bright and and undistracted by, you know, like equations and atoms and all that stuff. Remember the prescient warning of George Wallace against have pointy-headed intellectuals.

Xi JinPing holds a doctorate in chemistry. Trump holds a faint lead over pursuing law enforcement.

Fortunately America has a democratically elected government that does not focus on absurdities. This maturity contrasts with the Chinese government which is burdened by stability, long-term planning, and adult leadership. Further, the US practice of changing governmental personnel every few years prevents stultification.

Unz (2012) reported that although the Asian (meaning “Northeast Asian”) population is about 5% in the U.S. in 2009, 28% of the top 0.5% of SAT takers were Asian Americans …Also, the recipients of the Westinghouse-Intel Science Talent Search during 2002–2011 are 60% Northeast Asian”

The overrepresentation of Northeast Asians in American universities is clearly racist and should be deplored. However, discrimination is worse in China, where virtually all students are Asian. This constitutes rigid and unjustifiable privileging which would never be allowed in America. Further, China’s insistence on intelligence in university students is an unmistakable sign of falling prey to White Supremacy. A further result is to deprive China of the invaluable contributions of the intellectually hopeless.

Chinese Buses Are Magic in Santiago

“Chinese-made electric buses are winning over commuters in Chile’s capital Santiago.

Incorporating the buses into Santiago’s transportation fleet “has been tremendously positive in many ways,” said Gloria Hutt, Chilean Minister of Transport and Communications, Xinhua reported.”

ORDER IT NOW

America-haters who just want to criticize this country say that the US is again leaving a large market niche to the more-agile Chinese. This is mindless carping. Americans make money in the stock market, often overnight, without having to produce anything. Clearly this is a better approach and ensures America’s continued dominance of international commerce.

Nay-sayers and gloom-and-doom peddlers say that the US hollows out its economy by spending excessively on the military. This is not true. Instead it allows US dominance of major markets. For example, no country has sold Santiago more aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, and intercontinental bombers than America. Who cares about electric buses for God’s sake?

Huawei to Invest £1.2bn in New Shanghai R&D Centre, Build ‘Self-Reliance’ Amid US Trade War on China”

Irrational Trump-haters say that the Donald, by pushing China to develop its own high-tech, will deprive American firms of a vast market and that, once the Chinese have caught up, they will compete ferociously with the American firms. No. Those who better understand international commerce point out that that the forty thousand researchers planned for the new center will be unable to grow soybeans. This will leave the market for cattle feed dominated by Trump’s voters. Ah, that Trump–a sly devil!

To sum up, when day is done, and the dust has settled, we trust that America will remain foremost in the making of pencils and little paper umbrellas for expensive drinks.

 

Other Stuff

Fred, already a confirmed race traitor, in late-Silurian photo with little sisters of girlfriend Chin Ping in down-island Taiwan (Taijung). Quite shocking. He probably thinks the Chinese are actual people. Photo: Chin Ping

 

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  1. By contrast, American universities excel in inclusiveness, the care and feeding of barely sentient diversity-admits, and courses such as Batman and the Struggle for Gender Equity. China cannot compete at this level.

    So, you’re telling us that our political commissars are better than theirs? WW3 is going to be a blast.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Moi
  2. sb says:

    So Asians in Western countries do better than Asians in Asian countries .

    How is this good news for us non Asians in Western countries ?

    • Agree: Gunga Din
  3. Truth says:

    That picture… et tu Fredus?

    • Replies: @Anonymous Snanonymous
  4. If only America had done the smart thing and it opened itself to endless Hispanic immigration, it could’ve remained a powerhouse. Alas…

    • Replies: @ChrisD
  5. Escher says:

    The best and brightest from China and India still seem to be coming to the US. That should provide some comfort.

    • Replies: @romar
    , @Tom Welsh
  6. Isabella says:

    With Xi Jiping holding a doctorate in science, and Vladimir Putin holding one in Economics, specifically the importance and function of Russian minerals to the Russian Economy – one can see why the two countries together are whupping the hell out of a TV host and sorta construction guy.

  7. Rudy says:

    Ya know some folks are going to read this and think it is bonafide and not humored sarcasm

  8. I love this column, and religiously follow every one!

  9. Svevlad says:

    If you ask me, I find it most interesting how Balkan countries always end up in the top 10 (more often than not in top 5 too) despite having lowest IQ in Europe.

    Deviations are a bitch huh

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  10. Uncle Al says: • Website

    A further result is to deprive China of the invaluable contributions of the intellectually hopeless.” Fred, intellectually hopeless is an exclusionarily hateful phrase. I suggest amendment.

    “congenitally inconsequential” Go beyond specifically stupid to static worthless and dynamically of frank negative value.

  11. Uncle Al says: • Website

    https://www.asiasentinel.com/politics/plagiarism-and-xi-jinping/
    … “Xi JinPing holds a doctorate in chemistry.” Not effing likely.

    Margaret Thatcher rang the bell.

    “Thatcher graduated from Oxford in 1947 with an undergraduate degree in chemistry. Her fourth-year dissertation was on X-ray crystallography of the antibiotic cocktail gramicidin, and her supervisor, Dorothy Hodgkin, was working at the time on the structure of penicillin.”

    “later applying to a job at ICI. Thatcher was rejected from the firm after Personnel described her as being “headstrong, obstinate and dangerously self-opinionated.”

    • Replies: @Parfois1
    , @Godfree Roberts
  12. – The first 1/3 of this column could easily have been copied directly from a series of iSteve Sailer posts.

    – The 2nd 1/3 is a rehash of Fred’s older columns, but with wonderful electric bus pictures.

    – The bit about the education of these “leaders” is something a tiny bit interesting, but I’ll write more about that.

    – The last segment, with the picture is a facsimile of a John Derbyshire picture with not as pretty a Chinagirl, and without the commitment of Mr. Derbyshire. Go figure.

    .

    Hey, Fred, next time you get writers block, just go with it… wait a little bit longer and something constructive may possibly come to you. Is that SS money not going as far as it used to?

  13. buckwheat says:

    In every picture I noticed that all the short people were Asian. So Fredo it appears we have the market cornered on college educated basketball players. No matter most of them still speak in Ebonics and majored in African American studies. Math ??? Who needs it when you can make millions dribbling a lil round ball……..We numba one.

    • Replies: @slobotnavich
  14. Russian team won the Informatics Olympiad and won or placed very highly in Physics, Chemistry, Math and a number of other competitions, with all Russian team members, a much smaller population and in the teeth of near destruction of the country by you-know-who in the 90’s and early 00’s, traitors like Eltsin and Gorby and Kudrin, sanctions and hate and opposition and persecution from most of the world. It’s about traditionally-grounded conservative character rather than race (per se).

  15. Bad Fred.

    I’d threaten to spank you, but that would be really strange.

  16. The rich people (that you bozos love, and whose freedom to steal all the money you protect) of the US abandoned the US to the wolves long ago. Kurt Vonnegut (a brilliant and extremely experienced white man whom you hate) noted it in Galapagos, a book written long ago. Now if you were smart, you’d advocate hanging all the rich people from the lampposts. Because it is them wherefrom all of your woes spring. But no. You’ll just whine about negroes some more. No wonder American whites are going to the dogs. As usual, they (you) don’t know where their true interests lie.

    • Replies: @Rich
  17. Mihir Singhal

    Ankan Bhattacharya

    Michael Kural

    Ashwin Sah

    Meghal Gupta

    Ishika Shah

    Brown man at the top

    • Replies: @Q. Shtik
  18. @Svevlad

    But I thought IQ was god. That’s what they tell me on here, so it must be true.

    • Agree: Jacques Sheete
  19. The concept of Intelligence Quotient was developed originally as a way of determining if someone was capable of doing college-level work. It has since morphed into essentially some kind of social score. IQ has both a genetic component and an environmental component (education, culture, type of upbringing, etc) and the jury is still out on how and how much each factor contributes to one’s IQ score. This is why the over-reliance on IQ is short-sighted at best.

    • Replies: @Si1ver1ock
    , @Kronos
  20. @mutthead52

    Russian geniuses merit your ode,
    But I’m now in a cynical mode,
    And I dare to suggest
    That if they’re the best
    It’s a shame that their missiles explode.

  21. @sb

    How do you arrive at that conclusion? Asians do well in Asian countries too obviously. They still placed. Where do white European stock Americans get a look in? Nowhere.

  22. Tom Verso says:

    Asia SAT scores: Contradiction of Unz study

    Fred writes:

    “Unz(2012) reported that although the Asian (meaning “Northeast Asian”) population is about 5% in the U.S. in 2009, 28% of the top 0.5% of SAT takers were Asian Americans …”

    However, a recent Georgetown University Center on Education and the Workforce study shows that if top 200 American colleges and universities admitted only on SAT scores,

    “the share of Asian-American students would fall to 10 percent from 11 percent.” (https://www.chronicle.com/article/Who-Would-SAT-Only-Admissions/246548)

    The Unz study and the Georgetown study stand prima facia in contradiction.

    It seems to me!

    • Replies: @PJ London
  23. romar says:
    @sb

    Not really. You have to look at the results over time:
    The results for 2018 were:
    1. The US
    2. Russia
    3. China

    2017:
    1. The Republic of Korea
    2. China
    3. Vietnam
    4. The US
    5. Iran.
    https://www.imo-official.org/year_country_r.aspx?year=2019

  24. romar says:

    Also interesting to look at are the results of The International Collegiate Programming Contest:
    2019: No. 1. Moscow State U; 2: MIT; 3. Tokyo U.; 4. Warsaw U.
    2018: 1. Moscow State U., 2. Moscow Institute of Physics & Technology; 3. Peking U.; 4. Tokyo U.
    2017: 1. St. Petersburg ITMO; 2. Warsaw U.; 3. Seoul National; 4. St. Petersburg State U.
    2016: 1. St. Petersburg State; 2. Shanghai Jiao Tong U; 3. Harvard U.; 4. Moscow Institute of P & T.
    2015: 1. St. Pete National Research U.; 2. Moscow State U; 3. Tokyo U.; 4. Tsinghua U.
    https://icpc.baylor.edu/community/results-2015
    Team member lists are “not yet published” for the more recent years, but in ’17 MIT contestants were Yuzhou Gu, Haoran Xu, and Yinzhan Xu !!!
    https://icpc.baylor.edu/worldfinals/teams

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
  25. nah says:

    Just a note, Xi Jinping’s PhD in Chemistry is bogus. He spent his school years digging holes in the countryside, as part of the Cultural Revolution. Afterwards they gave some of them degrees. He doesn’t know shit about science.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  26. romar says:
    @Escher

    Not really: plenty more left at home – and those in India have just sent off Chandrayaan (“Moon Vehicle”)…

    • Replies: @Anon2020
  27. Anon[108] • Disclaimer says:

    Papa Xi looks and acts in more pleasant ways than The Big A-brain, but that doesn’t mean his BSc must be upgraded to a PhD. Also, Putin’s degree is more of a masters (as is the American JD).

    • Replies: @siberiancat
    , @Curmudgeon
  28. @Anon

    The Russian Candidate of Sciences is a research degree, and as such is an equivalent to the American Ph.D.

    Some of the formal requirements are actually more stringent than in the US.

    That said, Putin’s degree is quite suspicious. Did he do the research and wrote his thesis all by himself? He defended his thesis in 1997 while being a Deputy Chief of Staff for the President of the Russian Federation.

    • Replies: @Godfree Roberts
  29. nah says:

    It’s pretty sad to see Fred swallow the China propaganda BS after spending a few weeks (if that) in first-tier cities. For sure, China’s made great progress, both in urban development and poverty reduction, but a lot of their “innovative” companies are strictly based on wide-scale, state-conducted industrial espionage of Western firms and schools. Many firms are a hair away from bankruptcy, and their infrastructure is of dubious quality and durability.

    As they come out of a debt-fuelled decade of transformation, I question whether they can continue for much longer. Same as commie states everywhere, there’s a lot of Potemkin Village in modern China.

  30. One of Fred’s better articles.

    This part here is priceless:

    Xi JinPing holds a doctorate in chemistry. Trump holds a faint lead over pursuing law enforcement.

    Angela Merkle of Germany also has a degree in advanced physics/chemistry.

    Anyway, I’m not too worried these days. Andrew Yang will fix America and China will do the heavy lifting on Nuclear Power, Space exploration and other big science stuff.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  31. @nah

    I’m not too worried about their debt. Not sure you should be.

    Political and labor unrest is a major problem in China. Spross wrote that the government keeps everyone happy by keeping economic growth high and spreading the proceeds to the citizenry. About two-thirds of Chinese debt is owed just by the corporations, which are also largely state-owned. Corporate lending is thus a roundabout form of government-financed industrial policy—a policy financed not through taxes but through the unique privilege of banks to create money on their books.

    https://www.truthdig.com/articles/neoliberalism-has-met-its-match-in-china/

    The current unrest looks like a US funded Color Revolution.

  32. Marcus says:

    Amazing, have to wonder why these magnificent people flock to the US and other Anglo countries (more vibrant ethnic food?)

  33. @Si1ver1ock

    Good point about China taking the lead in space exploration. They may actually one day be the first to put a man on the moon. The USA sure didn’t, but it was first in Hollywood-inspired Special Effects, wasn’t it?

    • Replies: @Si1ver1ock
  34. I can’t quite follow Fred’s intentions with his articles. He seems to constantly rehash two-three topics: China is underrated by American gung-ho blockheads; IQ is rubbish; east Asians are dominating (or beginning to dominate) US STEM fields; Mestizo Latin Americans are cool; who is American, anyway? …

    I may agree with him, more or less, with some points, but:

    1. all Olympiads or similar events (PISA tests) are not of crucial importance. What matters are accomplishments which are still, vast majority of them, white European & white American. Certainly, Asians (Chinese, Japanese, mostly northern Indians,…) will have a bigger piece of the cake, but still, re scientific creativity & technological power, in next 20-40 years, this will still be a “white world” – except if something truly extraordinary happens.

    2. China will be a regional hegemon, but will never be a world leader in anything, because they’re too different & unacceptable to the rest of the globe. That’s their power & weakness.

    3. IQ is overrated, I agree with Fred here.

    4. I may partially agree with Fred that race mixing of real whites with white Hispanics or even light Mestizos is not such a big deal

    5. Fred seems to deplore demise of America power from, say, Eisenhower era. But, he shouldn’t. He is one of those “liberal” Americans who seems not to care much about traditional American ways of life. Of course, not a hippie or anything similar, but. …. What is the American nation Fred laments for? Who are these people? How & where they live? How they look & which is their culture?

    Fred would like to have his cake & eat it, too.

    • Agree: TKK
    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @d dan
    , @anonymous
  35. Rich says:
    @obwandiyag

    So let me get this straight, some White guy grows up poor or middle class, works his way up, becomes successful, and I’m supposed to be angry at him? Or some other Palefaced guy’s ancestors were smart enough to make a few bucks and pass it on to their descendants I should want to execute them? Are you seriously disturbed? Are you off your meds? Rich White people didn’t rape, torture and murder Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom. Your people did that. I’d be ashamed if my skin was the same color as the people who committed this atrocity. Ashamed.

  36. Marcus says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Solid post but, while I’ll defer to our resident South Asians like Malla, it seems likely that southern Indians would be more accomplished? That is where the heart of India’s IT sector is located iirc

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
    , @Malla
  37. @Silverknight

    I agree, but it is something of a fetish here at the Unz Review. Fred is just poking some of the more racialist members with a stick.

    • Replies: @Kronos
  38. @Marcus

    You may be right. I didn’t pay much attention, but some great Indian scientists, when I think of it, were more from south than from north. 5-10 big names (Chandrasekhar etc.)

    Northern Indians are also complex mixture. Looks they’re more into politics & power.

    • Replies: @Malla
  39. @follyofwar

    Reminds me of that rant. America leads the world in three things: the number of people per capita incarcerated and people who believe angels are real.

    • Replies: @Colin Wright
  40. d dan says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “re scientific creativity & technological power, in next 20-40 years, this will still be a “white world” ”

    Ahh, but current facts are all showing this will not be true. Please look at the number of patents filed by country, the number of scientific papers published, the number of most referenced papers, the funding for R&D, etc. China is either #1 or close #2. And even in US, the inventors and contributors are full of Asian names. So the “white world” is almost certainly over by now.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  41. IvyMike says:

    Like Fred I am old and just kicking back with a drink and secure enough financially and physically to take it all as amusement and hope i can stick around a lot longer watching it all.

  42. @nah

    ‘It’s pretty sad to see Fred swallow the China propaganda BS after spending a few weeks (if that) in first-tier cities. For sure, China’s made great progress, both in urban development and poverty reduction, but a lot of their “innovative” companies are strictly based on wide-scale, state-conducted industrial espionage of Western firms and schools. Many firms are a hair away from bankruptcy, and their infrastructure is of dubious quality and durability.

    As they come out of a debt-fuelled decade of transformation, I question whether they can continue for much longer. Same as commie states everywhere, there’s a lot of Potemkin Village in modern China.’

    It’s usually more dangerous to underestimate your rivals than it is to overestimate them.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  43. @d dan

    I’m following this. All big names in science (mathematics, fundamental physics, computer science, genetic engineering, nanotechnology, most medical research, even old fashioned stuff like rocket technology, astronomy, applied sciences, ..)-this is a white world. Number of sci contribution from Asians in 2nd tier will certainly immensely grow, but true breakthroughs remain to-whites, over 85-95%.

    • Replies: @d dan
  44. @Si1ver1ock

    ‘Reminds me of that rant. America leads the world in three things: the number of people per capita incarcerated and people who believe angels are real.’

    How are we at correctly counting from one to three?

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  45. @obwandiyag

    The difference between the nations in Europe tend to be marginal for the most part.

  46. Q. Shtik says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Hey Bengali,

    Are you sure of the spelling on the last person on your list. I happen to be related to an Ishita Shah (that is, next to last letter is t, not k).

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  47. @Colin Wright

    His comment is probably a byproduct of the poorly ranked American elementary and secondary school system. Ironically, I think Jeff Daniels actually mentions the education point in his little rant there. Not an insult of ordinary, hard-working Americans of course. But Canada’s better 🙂

    http://factsmaps.com/pisa-worldwide-ranking-average-score-of-math-science-reading/

    We’re basically the third best (I consider Singapore, Macau and Hong Kong just China as a whole, and economic constructs)

    Why is the US ranked so low?

    Is it because of the high population of negroids? And the regular streams of Latinos? Who knows

  48. d dan says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    “All big names in science ..-this is a white world.”

    This is more because the older generation, i.e. the senior scientists, mathematicians, etc are more white than Asians. Acclamation like Nobel Prize represents mostly works done decades ago.

    “true breakthroughs remain to-whites, over 85-95%.”

    Care to provide statistics or evidence that is still true TODAY? I suspect it is very hard for you or anyone to prove it because the scientific significance of a single breakthrough is often very hard to judge (sometimes taking decades to be recognized), let alone to compare the relative importance between different breakthroughs.

    Also, your original claim that this trend will persist for another 20 – 40 years. Is this just a hunch, or do you have more reason?

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  49. @BengaliCanadianDude

    ‘…Is it because of the high population of negroids? And the regular streams of Latinos? Who knows’

    Nothing in particular wrong with Latinos beyond nil tradition of academic achievement.

    The film Stand and Deliver is romanticized to the point of absurdity, but I’m familiar with the actual story behind the film, and it did demonstrate that Hispanics — at least of the Indio-white flavor — really can achieve.

  50. @Q. Shtik

    I got it from the article, so yes.

  51. @Eustace Tilley (not)

    Russian missiles explode from time to time because they still actually build and test the things, and therefore experience an inevitable (and small) rate of failure. The fact that you never hear about American missiles exploding is not because ours are better, but because ours are doing nothing at all. Our ancient ICBMs have been sitting in silos longer than I’ve been alive, and I rather doubt that either they or their nuclear payloads are still in any condition to function as intended.

    • Replies: @anon
    , @obwandiyag
  52. Anon[388] • Disclaimer says:

    When one thinks about the great men who developed all of higher mathematics (and the engineering and science based on it)— all white guys, btw— (Fourier, Lagrange, Riemann, Cauchy, Gauss, Galois, Weierstrass, Von Neumann, Fermat, Gödel, Kolmogorov, Liouville, Poincaré,..) and has read biographies of these men, it is hard to imagine any of them wanting to be part of some math competition modeled after sports.

    • Replies: @yakushimaru
  53. Malla says:
    @Marcus

    it seems likely that southern Indians would be more accomplished?

    Yes that is true up to some extent, South Indians do have some advantage and most of the IT hubs are in the South. but the difference is very small in between South Indians and other Indians. Many of the employees in these IT hub come from all over India. There are loads of North Indians, Bengalis, West Indians, North Easterners etc… working in those South Indian IT hubs like Bangalore, along with local South Indians. It is just that South Indian Brahmins (maybe 2% of population at the best) for some strange eugenic reasons of the past, do tend to over perform in Science and technology. But there are many other Indian communities which come close in achievements.
    Also in North India, its higher Hindu fundamentalist/backward tendencies (because of the Brahmin/upper caste population percentage here being much larger ) keep development down. Thus ironically the larger upper caste (but non-Westernised Upper caste) population slows down development in the North as compared to the South. Add to that, a big population of backward (non Westernised) muslims. The South has more Christians than the North which is good thing in general.This part of the World (North India) is called the ‘Cow Belt’ and westernised Indians of all backgrounds living in Metro cities look down at this area as full of uncouth, backward hicks. My ancestors are from the Cow Belt and it is really a shithole of shitholes.
    Da ‘Cow Belt’ primarily includes states like Utter Pradesh (UP) literally translates to ‘Northern State’, the most populous state in India and thus politically very important in our democracy as well as the states of Bihar, Madhya Pradesh (MP) literally translates to Middle State, Chattisgarh and Jharkhand. Even the desert state of Rajasthan may be added. Together they are also termed the BIMARU states (BI=Bihar, MA=Madhya Pradesh, R=Rajasthan, U=Utter Pradesh) by our media. The term ‘Bimar’ means sick in Hindi, like falling sick because of disease, because they are so backward in all social indicators.

    • LOL: Marcus
  54. anon[396] • Disclaimer says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    > Our ancient ICBMs have been sitting in silos longer than I’ve been alive

    Wrong. Random Minutemen are pulled from their silos and tested from Vandenberg AFB to the Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands. Latest test was this year, 2019.

    F.E. Warren AFB tests Minuteman III missile with launch from Vandenberg
    Air Force Global Strike Command Public Affairs | Published May 01, 2019
    https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/usa/2019/usa-190501-usaf01.htm

  55. PJ London says:
    @Tom Verso

    Duh, could it be that they accept some students on a basis other than SAT?
    You know, like ability to pay outrageous fees, or perhaps the fact that they just won the Maths olympiad without being able to speak English and thus were admitted without taking any other tests.
    It appears unlikely that they were on Football or Basketball scholarships, those are reserved for the more deserving Afro-americans.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  56. @Malla

    The South has more Christians than the North which is good thing in general

    Correct.

    Add to that, a big population of backward (non Westernised) muslims

    Also correct. The muzzies from the North tend tobe descended from low-caste untouchable converts. You can change your religion, but you can’t change your fate and destiny. They’re comparable to their coethnic Dalits in Hinduism, or Buddhism, or even Christianity

    What’s interesting is that South India, in places like Kerala and whatnot, there is a sizable portion of Muslims there, one of the highest across all states in India. It comes at a whooping 26 percent.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerala#Religion

    Kerala also is one of the most cleanest, developed, richest states in India, probably even the best when it comes to infrastructure and literacy as well.

    I think the Muslims in this region might have a different history. Maybe their proximity towards the coast resulted in them converting because of maritime trading with traders from the Middle East.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  57. Malla says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    Also correct. The muzzies from the North tend tobe descended from low-caste untouchable converts. You can change your religion, but you can’t change your fate and destiny. They’re comparable to their coethnic Dalits in Hinduism, or Buddhism, or even Christianity

    Very true, muzzies tend to be low caste converts however there are upper caste convert muslims mixed with Persians, Arabs, Afghans, Turks, mongols, Uzbek/Uyghurs who are called the Shrafi muslims and they are like the elites of muslims. Alos some Shia Muslims like Bohras of Gujrat are very successful, well educated and prosperous merchants.

    Lower caste Christians are all right, their areas are not very bad. Kerala muslims may be good but during the Ottoman incited/funded Kalifat movement in the 1920s, the Kerala muslims went all ape and attacked Hindus forcibly converting us. Ironically gandhi and the Shankaracharya (Hindu version of Pope) had initially supported them for thesimple reason that they were anti-British. The Ottomans were playing a WW1 game against the British Empire.

    Anyways Christian (Goa, Kerala, Nagaland, Mizoram) and Buddhist areas (Sikkim, Sri Lanka, Ladakh, Arunachal Pradesh/South Tibet) in the Indian subcontinent tend to be alright, more open to modernization and less difference in between rich and poor than conservative Hindu and Muslim areas.
    Besides highly westernised Hindus and Muslims are all right, irrespective of caste.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  58. @Rich

    You are such a typical insane American winger brainwashed rube, you shouldn’t talk. Because everybody knows what you are going to say. You complete utter idiot. Like all Americans, you vote against your own interests. Your patheticly stupid and wrong characterization of rich people is too sad and laughable to address. This is the problem with most of you silly loser propagandized rubes. The rich screw you and everybody else over every day in every way. But you can’t see it. So it doesn’t exist. Typical idiot logic: out of sight, out of mind, doesn’t exist. You stupid braindead self-defeating fool. Either that or you are a paid troll spouting that tired old line defending the rich.

    • Agree: Biff
    • Replies: @neutral
  59. @Intelligent Dasein

    So then American “geniuses” and Russian “geniuses” are idiots. Case closed.

  60. @PJ London

    Or because they are smart enough to say “math” or “mathematics” instead of “maths” whatever that is.

    • Replies: @Poco
  61. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Also I might add that other Northern states like Punjab, Himachal Pradesh and Uttarkhand are all right, not shitholes at all but their populations are much smaller than the cow belt states. The last two are mountain Himalayan states and in general mountain people are better than plains people.

    Also Southern States are seeing a below replacement fertility rate and Northern cow belters are breeding away like vermins. Yes my ancestors are cow belters, I said it, vermin.
    So in the future when the seats for the Indian Parliament would be decided/ reorganised, the Northern cow belters would get more seats while Southern states will lose seats and hence political influence. So ironically, develop your state and control your birth rate and you get punished in a democracy!!! And be backward hicks and breed away and you benefit with more political power!!! Very unfair.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  62. Malla says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Looks they’re more into politics & power.

    We are more into forming cow protection gangs, bashing up people of other religions/castes, mosque destruction engineering, drinking cow pee tonic. No time for science. Because all the above activities is science according to us. Evul British spread their Western science and destroyed our society.

  63. Marcus says:
    @Malla

    Christians do seem to have more social capital, but I view Christians in Asia as a potential 5th column for the US, you disagree?

    Here’s an impressive Indian scientist from the evil Raj era https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagadish_Chandra_Bose

  64. @Malla

    BTW, are you an Indian in India or Indian elsewhere?

    • Replies: @Malla
  65. Malla says:

    but I view Christians in Asia as a potential 5th column for the US, you disagree?

    No. Indian Christians are very nationalistic. it is just that if they are troubled more by the Hinduwadis, they may look to the West for protection, some diplomatic pressure.
    In Germany and the UK, most Indian Christians I came across hated the natives with the same gusto as Indian Hindus and believed in Indian racial superiority (Indian IT talent blah blah).
    There might be FEW missionaries who may be from alphabetic agencies but many Hindu holymen going to the West have deep contacts with Indian agencies too.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  66. Malla says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    I think the Muslims in this region might have a different history. Maybe their proximity towards the coast resulted in them converting because of maritime trading with traders from the Middle East.

    Yeah, they have a lot of Arab ancestry. Kerala has a lot of Arab and even Jewish influence because of trade. Even Chinese merchants used come to Kerala in the past and many of their fishing nets (more advanced design than regular Indian nets), introduced by the Chinese many centuries ago are still called ‘Chinese Nets’ in Malayalam (language of Kerala).

    And more than that, recently in a Kerala Temple treasury vault they came across a hoard of 800 kgs of Silver/Gold Greek and Roman coins from ancient times.

  67. Malla says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    North Indian in India but have lived in many parts of the world before.

    What about you? Whats your background? Bengali Hindu from Canada?

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
    , @vfy
  68. @Malla

    No religion. Bengali is one component. It’s a mix. I’ve got Gujarati blood too.

    • Replies: @Malla
  69. @buckwheat

    Sheeeit! Ah be floont in Ebonics, an’ Ah kin pass fo’ a wee-bee any time. They fo’, Ah kin speak two languages!”

  70. Malla says:
    @BengaliCanadianDude

    No religion.

    Smart. A South Asian who is atheist is automatically high IQ in my books. Among desis it is only the highly intelligent ones who become atheists.

    I’ve got Gujarati blood too.

    Cool!

  71. Marcus says:
    @Malla

    I talked to some Hindu right wingers who swore that LTTE was a Christian plot. I’m not sure, but there was definitely something odd about it

    • Replies: @Malla
  72. Malla says:
    @Marcus

    I talked to some Hindu right wingers who swore that LTTE was a Christian plot.

    I had not idea about that. Sounds interesting. But 90% of what Hindu right wingers say is rubbish. But who knows if LTTE is Christian.

    • Replies: @RSDB
  73. Anon2020 says:

    The International Math Olympiad is becoming like the Olympics/World Ping Pong competition: every match is China vs. China, regardless of which countries’ uniforms they’re actually wearing. Or like marathon, every competition is Africa vs. Africa, same with track and field. That’s the trouble with immigration and multiculturalism, it takes away all the fun of rooting for your country. Who the fuck are these people?

    Seriously why even bother doing it by country anymore? Just make them compete as individuals representing themselves.

  74. Anon2020 says:
    @romar

    That’s easy when NASA gave you all the code and equipment.

  75. looks like fred moved to the wrong country.

    it’s not too late to move to china, my man.

  76. JRB says: • Website
    @Malla

    Some South Indian Brahmins have been quiet good at mathematics for a long time. The Kerala school of Mathematics (14th-16th century) did a lot of original research in series expansions of trigonometric functions that also influenced western mathematicians living around 1600. Three hundred years later around 1900 Ramanujan, who was a Tamil, did very impressive work, partly in the same area. He is the only non western mathematician who is in the top fifty of original mathematicians in the period 1650-1950. Nearly thousand years before the Kerala school there was a very advanced school of mathematicians centered around Ujjain in the Malva. It’s here that Brahmagupta was the first one to specify rules for arithmetic manipulations that apply to zero as a number. In pre-islamic times this area of India was probably more ethnically South-Indian then it is today.

  77. Брат says:

    I have a lot of experience tutoring math and english. There is a very real and calculated conspiracy going on to teach young students as little as possible. It is inexcusable to send a teenager through 5 years of high school without ever once teaching them the fundamental grammatical concepts which animate language and communication. I even read books by scholars who betray an ignorance of very simple things, such as the difference between figurative and literal language, (eg. “The brain is a muscle.” FAIL!)
    Math is another thing that depresses me. I have had countless students, mostly boys, who come to me all beat down and feeling dumb over math because they don’t understand it. And that is precisely the point. It is taught in such a way that it is not intended to be understood. And that’s no problem for a girl. A girl will just mindlessly parrot back the formula. But a boy needs to understand the process mechanically from beginning to end. And when I finally do that for one of these kids they light up immediately. I see the change instantly in their eyes. Then we do some tougher examples and they get it right because finally someone has explained the principle to them rather than just filling their head with forgettable nonsense.
    Welcome to my classroom of fascist Nazi straight white male education!
    “Oy vey!!! The goyim know! So harrible!! Shut it down!!!”

    • Agree: jim jones
    • Replies: @Tom Welsh
  78. Rogue says:

    Well, I likes me a good chuckle when reading a Fred column.

    Thanks Fred. Like your stuff. Been reading you quite some time before you appeared at Unz.

    Yours is one of the articles I always look forward to.

    I’m pretty sure you’re quite wrong about 9/11 though. Unfortunately, on that particular issue you come across as Mr see-no-evil, hear-no-evil.

    Regardless, thumbs up from a non-American fan.

  79. Брат says:
    @Rich

    Americans are so funny in how they quantify everything purely as a sum of hard work. As if working hard like a good goy is in any way a competitive weapon against a tightly unified conspiracy of well-networked (((individuals))) who amplify their dominance with every dirty trick in the book. And you think they got there just because they worked hard? LMFAO!
    Group strategy beats individual effort easily.
    But your jewish masters have you American goyim so well trained. Yeah slave, work well and hard for your jewish effendi, as he dangles that $hekel before you. One day you could be just like (((him))), coz that’s what (((everyone))) else wants to be like.

  80. Брат says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    An American should not be criticizing Russian missiles. I do remember not so long ago America slamming a barrage of cruise missiles into Syria, and only a small handful of them actually hit Syrian targets with the overwhelming majority of US cruise missiles intercepted and destroyed by Russian missiles. Let me know when America achieves a similar batting average. And let me know when America finally builds a functioning new fighter jet. Russia recently brought out a new jet that coukd easily destroy the Fail-35.

    • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
    , @awry
  81. Ghali says:

    The “American team” is 99% Chinese.

  82. @romar

    Many scientific colleagues in Moscow complain that they are losing their best students to computer science.

  83. Parfois1 says:
    @Uncle Al

    Thatcher was rejected from the firm after Personnel described her as being “headstrong, obstinate and dangerously self-opinionated.”

    There you are, the qualities for a politician. But she would not pass muster today without the additional pre-requisite: groveling submission to the Jewish overlords.

  84. @Uncle Al

    Xi’s undergraduate work was in chemical engineering (engineering being the most prestigious and useful qualification in China)

    But, thanks to having grown up in China’s poorest village, he lacked preparation for degree work, so Tsinghua gave him and his class mates ‘certificates’ rather than diplomas. (Doubtless they corrected this mistake later, as he rose through the ranks!).

    Fifteen years later he began work on a PhD. His subject area was rural marketization, his father’s area of expertise in later life (his dad lived until 2002 and they were close).

    I don’t know the date his degree was granted but I do know that his career demonstrated his expertise in the subject. One of the world’s leading authorities on rural marketization, Oxford’s Dambisa Moyo, spent half an hour discussing the subject with him and called his questions “intense.”

  85. @nah

    That’s partly true. See my comment, above.

  86. neutral says:

    Fred, already a confirmed race traitor

    Everyone knows you are a race traitor, why you take so much pride in your jungle fever is the big mystery.

  87. @siberiancat

    Like most prominent people who do late PhDs, Putin had plenty of help in the form of one-on-ones with world experts.

    His biggest boost came from his security clearance, which gave him access to a century of security files, which is why he was able to write with such authority on (and subsequently demonstrate his mastery of) The Geostrategic Application of Natural Resources–Russia core competence (after killing invaders).

  88. Parfois1 says:
    @mutthead52

    You must be an unreconstructed Bolshevik to come up with such bad news. Can you imagine the Russkies being the saviours of the honour of the white race in the field of scientific prowess? After all the kids are the descendants two or three generations removed from those barbaric Bolsheviks who ripped to shreds the ambitions of the beloved Superfuhrer who was predestined to lead the white race – sans slavs of course – to perpetual supremacy and greatness.

  89. Брат says:
    @The Big Red Scary

    And that’s a good thing. At least computer science has a feedback mechanism rooted in reality.
    Traditional science has become a massively fraudulent circlejerk of peer review (aka a popularity contest), yeah, as if good ideas are always popular. And that’s not even going into the corrupting influences of corporate funding and all the lying that entails. I too would be GTFOing out of science. Leave it to all those obstinate feminists and transgender freaks. I’m sure they will cure cancer and invent vaccines that will land us on mars.

    • Replies: @Fox
  90. gotmituns says:
    @sb

    White people are smarter than all the gooks combine in the world.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  91. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    Eustaquio , you and you ridiculous ” poem ” show the very big problem that some american whites have , which is lack of respect even towards other white tribes .

    Some anglosaxon whites , english and USA , must think that they are the only whites in the world and despise even other tribes of whites like the white slavs , the white latins of southern Europe , even the white germanics and nordics ( I read that Trump wants to buy Greenland to Danemark ? , well , how much do you want for Florida , Trump ? ) ……

    Eustaquio , do you realize that if the white anglosaxon tribe insults other white tribes , these white tribes are going to be hostile to arrogant anglosaxons ? so, you will have the hostility of the non whites in the USA and England , plus the hostility of your white natural allies , the other white tribes ? Don`t you realize that ? , it is just lack of respect ? , lack of intelligence ? , think about it Eustaquio .

    • Replies: @Eustace Tilley (not)
  92. Parfois1 says:

    Great stuff Fred. You are mastering the parody artform while highlighting the fault lines of whitie US degenerescence into sclerotic senility, soon to be transferred from Jewish serfdom to become the puren for the Asian nerds.

    It’s only a matter of time…

  93. Tom Welsh says:
    @Escher

    Ah, but how can you be sure they are the best and brightest? Maybe they are just mediocre students who want to give themselves an edge. In the West they can look better than they would at home, because there is so much less competition.

  94. max says:

    Fred,
    Not true. Europe neither invented number theory or early calculus.
    India invented the zero and used it in astronomical applications, and Indian mathematicians developed the theory of infinite series. The Jesuits while on travel in middle ages, took them back to Europe and eventually Leibniz & Newton formalized it to today’s calculus. Mathematics is a joint effort of the humanity.
    Max

  95. Tom Welsh says:
    @The Big Red Scary

    As is only right. Down the years, scientists, mathematicians and engineers have done better work in computing than “computer scientists”.

  96. Tom Welsh says:
    @Брат

    ‘“The brain is a muscle.” FAIL!’

    Although in the case of certain politicians and media people…

  97. Chinese understand importance of hard study and persistence. White youth in USA grew decadent and lazy. When I enter my son school there is a sense that it is more about fun and having good time than about study. Sharp difference from Soviet school on which Chinese schools were modeled. My son knows that northern American schools is shit and he must study hard and far beyond school curriculum to achieve his goals. I am tiger dad.

  98. Malla says:
    @JRB

    In pre-islamic times this area of India was probably more ethnically South-Indian then it is today

    Very interesting, yeah, could be.

  99. Ber says:
    @Rudy

    There is no cure for stupidity

  100. Anonymous[202] • Disclaimer says:

    This supports the claim (I hope I do not sound racist) that European superiority is genetic.

    The group photo shows 5 of 6 members of the team are Asian and yet you talk of claims of European superiority as genetic? Did I miss something or are you in fact racist?

  101. Bruno says:

    Very funny.

    But even if there is an extraordinary correlation among IMO scores and future academic excellence in math – that’s why the IMO is the best IQ test for people with a good high school literacy in math – the asian top scorers have not transformed it into Medal fields « en masse ».

    France wich is the best country for math – ENS Ulm has the most knowledgeable students in math, 40 a year – has been very good in transforming the few gold medalist (and silver) into Field medals.

    I calculated that a PhD in math has 1 chance in 10K to get the field medal.

    A gold medalist non perfect scorer (around 50) has 1 chance in 150.

    A perfect scorer (3 or 4 people) has 1 chance in 15.

    Normale sup Ulm 40 selected students have 1 chance in 150, same as gold medalist.

    Asian do much worse than european at equivalent score. If you don’t say it’s because of racism (! 😊), then perhaps a lack of creativity because of having being selected for conformism ….

    As Chinese (including American diaspora) IMO domination is 25 years old and medal fields recipients are less than 40 yo, the results should have been here. And they are not !

  102. @Брат

    barrage of cruise missiles into Syria…only a small handful of them actually hit …with the overwhelming majority …intercepted and destroyed by Russian missiles

    You know, a missle defense system that destroys a majority of the incoming missles isn’t quite as useful as one that destroys all the incoming missles.

    • Replies: @Брат
  103. @max

    India invented the zero

    No.

  104. @Rudy

    Ya know some folks are going to read this and think it is bonafide and not humored sarcasm

    It can be both true and sarcasm. And it is! All the facts presented can be verified by googling. It’s just the composite they paint is a nation living in an artificial reality balloon, inflated for them by socialist-idealist wishful thinkers. A balloon soon to be popped by the pin of harsh reality.

    • Replies: @Rudy
  105. @Anonymous

    are you in fact racist?

    OH NO! 😱! Not that word!
    The PCer are bringing out their big guns now!

  106. @JRB

    Some South Indian Brahmins have been quiet good at mathematics for a long time.

    India has a national average IQ of 82, which is quite low. However the Brahmin caste has an average IQ of 115 – the highest of any identifiable ethnic group http://www.photius.com/rankings/national_iq_scores_country_ranks.html __ According to Richard Lynn, a British psychologist, and Tatu Vanhanen, a Finnish political scientist

    Brahmin run India’s computer software industry, out of Bangalore. And almost all the Indian doctors in the US are Brahmin. The flood of Brahmins leaving India for America, amounts to a massive brain_drain for India.
    https://brahminsexposed.wordpress.com/2016/01/17/54/ [[Out of the total Indian doctors in the U.S.A. 67% are Brahmins. Instead of serving the poor masses of India, these doctors have opted to work in rich America and other Western countries. ____ Brahmin representation in the fields of engineering and law is 53 % and 57 % respectively. In the field of education their teachers and professors make up more than 51 %.]]

    • Replies: @Malla
  107. @d dan

    Of course I am not trying to predict future, I am not a fortune teller. But:

    * Fields medals, which is given to accomplishments in mathematics under 40, are still overwhelmingly white. I am not talking about great awards (Nobel, Wolf, Millennium, Abel,…) which may be about accomplishments made 20-40 years ago. You can check newer world important awards for many crucial fields (mathematics, computer sciences, physics, medicine, various types of technologies,..) & see that most people who were awarded, now in the 30-50 years age range, are white- with growing percentage of Asians, mostly east, but not anything spectacular.
    For instance, this is a list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_science_and_technology_awards (I know it is too big, but you can check the list of particular well known awards like Turing etc.)

    * you can google most important inventions in the world in past, say, 10 years. Say: https://www.wonderslist.com/10-greatest-inventions-of-last-decade/ or many others. You’ll see that virtually everything has come from the West & almost nothing from big Asian countries. Of course, things are complicated by the fact that these are products of big companies & that it is virtually a waste of time to try to detect ethnicities/races of members of teams who produced them.

    * another way is to see is to check math & physics departments of Harvard, Princeton, MIT, Yale, Caltech, … and see who is there. A significant Asian minority, without question, but still a minority & most of them are middle aged people. Then you check other highly placed research universities in the Western world.

    Then, there is recent history: Japan has neglected fundamental sciences & although its researchers have gotten a few significant awards in past 10 years, it is still far behind Japan’s success in productivity; China’s rise is enormously correlated with hacking & theft from US & other powerful Western inventive countries.

    As I see it:

    1. the stereotype about non-imaginative & mostly copycat Asians is generally true- with important exceptions.

    2. the Asian countries are not lands of free & frequently conflicting discourse, but of conformity. This lack of essential freedom in these cultures is perhaps the greatest obstacle. Either their order crushes freedom (China, Japan), or their lack of order & clinging to religious infantilism (India, Islamic countries) prevent them from reaching order and freedom.

    3. their diaspora is, if we count the most productive & influential people, due to miscegenation with whites, disappearing, giving rise to mixed Euro-Asians who can hardly be counted as Asians anymore. http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml#sthash.cvMNwoni.dpbs

    These are just a few thoughts. Of course, I may be wrong.

    • Replies: @d dan
  108. Ah yes Fred, many here to stupid to recognize satire when they see it. America has become an absolute freakin’ insane asylum with little to no hope of recovery. All one has to do is look at our last two presidents to see we have become a full blown Idoicracy(once a movie, now a documentary).

    A little something from The Occidental Observer

    An ant is an amazing creature, a marvel of miniaturization and compressed complexity. With only a tiny brain, it absorbs and interprets a flood of data from its myriad sense-organs, navigating a complex and constantly changing world, co-operating and communicating with its nest-mates, collaborating in prodigies of architecture, engineering and logistics. No human robot can even come close to matching the abilities of an ant, let alone at such a minute size and on such a small budget of energy.

    Dumb beats clever

    But the highly sophisticated ant meets its master in the form of a mindless organism far lower in the evolutionary scale. As I described in “How to Cure a White Zombie,” the fungus Ophiocordyceps unilateralis can subvert the complex nervous system of an ant, turning the ant into a zombified spore-spreader. You can sum up the behaviour of the fungus in two words: sitting and floating. It sits in its victims and then, in the form of spores, floats off to new victims. The behaviour of ants, by contrast, is endlessly subtle and varied. Ant-behaviour has filled entire libraries and fuelled long scientific careers. But the simple fungus beats the complex ant.
    https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2019/08/14/the-supremacy-of-stupid-how-dumb-ideas-about-race-flourish-on-the-left/

    • Replies: @Брат
    , @TKK
  109. Bruno says:
    @Anonymous

    You miss the sarcasm. Even me, with an autism score of 46 out of 48 (Baron Cohen test, not the comic, the doctor, his brother), can see it !!!

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  110. Брат says:
    @Hippopotamusdrome

    No missile defense system will ever destroy every single missile launched against it. Kinda like how not every “stealth” jet will be stealthy. Just ask Lt. Col. Darrell Patrick Zelko.
    Anyway, let me know when the US designs something better.

    • Replies: @Fact
  111. Брат says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    the fungus (((Ophiocordyceps unilateralis))) can subvert the complex nervous system of an ant, turning the ant into a zombified spore-spreader.

    fify

    • LOL: Parfois1
    • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
  112. neutral says:
    @obwandiyag

    Anybody who votes to give more power to blacks is ALWAYS voting against their interest. I don’t even know why you are against the rich elite in America, they overwhelmingly love blacks more than anything, they worship them as god like being at times.

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  113. skedaddle says:

    Qualifying for the Math Olympiad requires parent and school resources for travel and study materials that not all schools bother with. I also note on the Math groups website that they don’t allow home school kids and only select private school students.

    Funny (not) thing is that when my kids went to college, the asian students were all cheating their way through math and computer classes. They cheated in groups if they had enough fellow countrymen or they were paired for group projects with a smart white American who pulled their lazy a$$es through or suffered a bad grade themselves. And since these asians as supposedly so smart, why don’t they go home and be the elite. Get back to me about the uber smart Indian and Chinese kids when their home countries can get running water, flush toilets and electricity into as high a percentage of homes as we have in the U.S.

  114. Moi says:
    @The Alarmist

    I noticed quite a few non-whites in the “US” team. LOL!

  115. bomag says:
    @obwandiyag

    IQ as god

    No, on here we say IQ explains many trends, and it is something we should consider.

    Versus those who say it doesn’t matter.

    • Replies: @Rogue
  116. Yo Freddy….wus happenning Bro..

    BRING BACK THE 1882 CHINESE LEGAL IMMIGRANT EXCLUSION ACT!!!!

    IMPLEMENT A HINDU LEGAL IMMIGRANT EXCLUSION ACT!!!

    SEND THEM BACK!!!!

    • Replies: @Dr Giggles
  117. vfy says:
    @Malla

    Question: Is there still a sizable population of Indian Shias in Uttar Pradesh, specifically Lucknow? If I’m not mistaken, those Shias were of Persian descent and had their own princely state of Oudh before colonial rule.

    • Replies: @Malla
  118. So the cabal having taken control of the U.S. and then making China rich and India bettet off than it had ever been and having had their Arab enemies totally neutralized with the American wherewithal is going to let America fall behind China and India so that what they have gained in the last five decades to reach the top by hook or by crook of the pyramid is going to be lost to them and they will go live in the shtetl again… where do you come with that shit, Fred?

  119. @Anon

    Fourier was in a competition. Poincare was in a competition. There are very few competitions in the past. Other than competitions in a classroom or in a single school.

    Now, in recent years, Perelman and Tao are both winners of this kind of math competitions.

  120. gem says:

    Is it a joke or kind of a proof of the your idiocity, dear writer???
    More than half of the team members are Eastern, and you are talking about Western intelligence?

    You are winning the math games with the help of just a few converted Easterners but how about “can’t be -converted” billions of them outside that are working for their own nations??
    Last word: those who are to post articles here should be first IQ tested to avoid any discrimination & offensive thoughts against any culture!
    thanks.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  121. nsa says:

    New admissions to a junior college near Palm Springs were given a math assessment test. One of the tougher questions asked was 3x + 1 = x + 9. Solve for x. About 33% obtained the correct answer. Adding a fractional aspect, 3x/2 + 2 = x + 7 resulted in 25% obtaining the correct answer….on a multiple choice test with four possible answers! No matter as the the 90-10 rule applies: 90% of the think work is done by 10% of the population.

  122. Maybe if we stopped drugging the white boys…. Then again you have the feminist induced sociopathic single mama problem. So how about we make China and India great again so their brightest and best stay home far away from our current insanity? Someone, somewhere has to have some brains. Though it be a real kicker if Kamala Harris was right about POC needing childhood white kooties for success.

  123. I dont buy any of Fred’s twaddle. I have worked with Chinese and Indian engineers and accountants and frankly find their skills overrated by media and blogger hype. The University down the road is full of them so I ask, what are they doing here ? We have more of these folks studying here than whites in India and China. Oh I forgot, they expect a job offer after graduation and a permanent visa.

    When I was in the corporate world we hired a Indian accountant with a BBA and MBA. He lasted just one week before he was fired because he has not a clue on product costing and expected us whites to “teach” him. Another, a Chinese engineer we had to let go because the dummy could never get the settings on our machines correct even with the blasted manuals and operating procedures. Result: over $500K in scrap per week.

    These fellows may be whizzes at Phytagoras theorem and calculus etc but when it comes to applying their knowledge to the real world they are out of it.

    I equate it to reading a martial arts text, getting a 100% pass mark on a written test and then picking a fight in a bar.

    Sorry Fred, their superiority is all poppycock. I mean, China is the oldest civilization on earth ? And what have they contributed to said civilization ?? The chopsticks ??

    • Replies: @skedaddle
    , @Pedro
  124. @War for Blair Mountain

    I agree. I can make my own sweet and sour dumplings, stir fry and boil my own noodles.

  125. Poco says:
    @obwandiyag

    “Maths” sounds idiotic.

    • Replies: @Rogue
  126. Blankaerd says:

    One can reasonably expect East-Asians to do better on average because of their higher mean IQ, but they have fewer outliers (which means that there are fewer dumb East-Asians per capita, but fewer geniuses as well.) They haven’t come up with nearly as many ground-breaking inventions as whites have, they mostly seem to improve already existing technologies.

    Whites have been living in welfare states for longer than Asians and welfare has a dysgenic effect. In recent decades white intelligence is declining especially fast because our birth rates are the highest among the least effective elements of our population, while it’s the lowest among the most effective elements, in fact extremely intelligent people do not have children at all. With ideologies like feminisism permeating our society this decline is accelerating. White IQ was probably in the 115 range some 200 years ago, roughly around the time of the industrial revolution.

    With countries like China making major strides it’s likely they’ll face the same intelligence crisis in the future, that is unless its government is willing to implement an eugenics program.

  127. “Dysgenics and Low Creativity: Why China Can’t Save Civilization” http://www.unz.com/article/dysgenics_and_low_creativity_why_china_cant_save_civilization/

    [[… research, led by a Japanese psychologist called Kenya Kura, which has shown that Northeast Asians are genetically less intellectually creative than Europeans. _____ [Why do Northeast Asians Win So Few Nobel Prizes?, By Kenya Kura et al., Comprehensive Psychology, 4: 2015] Northeast Asians, compared to Europeans, have higher gene frequencies of polymorphisms which make people collectivist, socially anxious, and fearful of anything novel. Kura and his team argue that this is adaptation to a particular ecology, where it is vital to stay in a tightly_bonded group.

    However, they note that scientific innovators tend to combine very high IQ with an optimally low level of collectivism, low social anxiety and low fearfulness of the new. In other words, they have high “Openness_Intellect”, as psychologists term this trait. This psychological profile means that they can think outside the box and don’t care about the offence to vested interests which their new idea will almost certainly result in.

    This is why, maintains Kura, it is the West that generated the Industrial Revolution, rather than more intelligent Northeast Asians. The West is indeed the Goldilocks Zone for genius.]]

    • Agree: Blankaerd
  128. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Fred is a malinchista , hehehhehehe

    La Malinche / Doña Marina , was the mexican Pocahontas , she tranlated nauhatl/spanish for Hernan Cortès , married him , and they were the parents of the first mestizo of the Americas . The tlaxaltecas and totonecas allied with the spaniards to fight the mexicas .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Malinche

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  129. annamaria says:
    @mutthead52

    Perhaps it’s also about the “traditionally-grounded conservative” educational system. https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-52980-6_13

    In general, the Soviet Russian higher education system, as in the rest of the Soviet system, reproduced the German-style industrial education model (strict segmentation of vocational and higher education) and the Humboldtian academic tradition (although with a Soviet slant).”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humboldtian_model_of_higher_education

    The Humboldtian model integrates the arts and sciences with research to achieve both comprehensive general learning and cultural knowledge… This ideal goes back to Wilhelm von Humboldt, who in the time of the Prussian reforms relied on a growing educated middle-class and thereby promoted the claim on general education.

    Both models have sense.

  130. If you really want to know the secret of America’s success, Google: American inventors

  131. Malla says:
    @vfy

    Is there still a sizable population of Indian Shias in Uttar Pradesh, specifically Lucknow?

    Cannot give you exact figures yes there are many. That is because there are huge Muharram processions in Lucknow. Not been to Lucknow for a looong time now but Lucknow has many Shia dargahs.
    I do not think all Shias are of pure Persian decent it is just that a high percentage of them would have Persian ancestry. Persians in India and Indians Muslims did intermarry.

    those Shias were of Persian descent and had their own princely state of Oudh before colonial rule.

    Yes very correct.

  132. Rudy says:
    @Professional Stranger

    There are still schools in this country that excel in the STEM courses and not burden with SJW issues.
    And there are natural born Americans citizens that go to them.
    But more and more they are first, second and third generation Peoples of Asian heritage. (I think Tiger Moms). I met many being an engineer and all. Most very fine folks and as patriotic as you can get. (Just my limited POV)
    This country has always been in flux and forever changing.

  133. The ageless question that Kiko (as well as some other contributors here) avoids like Mexican tap water:

    If Mexico and China are so great, why do the people there, continue to come, here?

    I mean, the US hasn’t even decimated either of those countries with its perpetual military interventionism, (which by itself creates these massive migrations of people who have seen their homelands destroyed so some neocon can hold duel citizenship somewhere,) and further, the US has helped to boost the economies of both places to the expense of itself.

    Why do they still come here, Kiko? Why?

    • Replies: @Haole
  134. ChrisD says:
    @silviosilver

    Hispanics are Europeans, from traditionally Spanish speaking countries……..so, I’m not sure I get your point.

  135. awry says:
    @Брат

    overwhelming majority of US cruise missiles intercepted and destroyed by Russian missiles

    There is no evidence of that whatsoever. You are swallowing propaganda manufactured for you.

    Russia recently brought out a new jet that coukd easily destroy the Fail-35.

    Sure, you can parrot this idiocy as long as the Russian Wunderwaffen aren’t tested against the Americans in actual war. In the past every time Soviet/Russian weapons systems were tested in actual combat against Western ones, they proved to be inferior or relatively easy to disable by electronic jamming etc. There is little doubt that the same would happen to the S-300/400 if things get real. Israel avoided destroying Russian SAM’s manned by Russian crews for political reasons in Syria.
    The F-35 has had a lot of teething problems and still have quite a few but it undeniably represents another league compared to 4th generation fighters. Russia pathetically failed to make an actual stealth aircraft as the Su-57 is obviously not a real one. It’s simply above the capabilities of the Russian aircraft industry at the moment. It has visible rivet heads, exposed fan blades, the pilot’s helmet has probably an order of magnitude larger RCS than an F-35 as its canopy is apparently unshielded. The Chinese J-20 is perhaps not in the same league in stealth as the F-22 or even the F-35, but it looks much more serious than the Su-57 as it doesn’t have the previously mentioned characteristics.

    • Replies: @Брат
  136. @BengaliCanadianDude

    Why is the US ranked so low?
    Is it because of the high population of negroids? And the regular streams of Latinos? Who knows

    You are here on UR all or most of the time. Surely the reason that the US is going down is clear to all of us here and it is not the fault of Blacks or Browns or Whites or any of the other oppressed minorities but the fact that the USA is not being run for the benefit of the inhabitants of the USA, but for its “Bestest ally” and is wasting its substance in evermore insane “defense” (So called!) spending. That Wall St and the Captains of Industry have collaborated to hollow out the productive sector of the US economy and tried to replace it with the FIRE sector is just the final nail.

  137. @Truth

    He and Derbyshire must be bosom buddies as in they prefer flat-chested mongloids because most caucasoids women are naturally buxom and not easy to handle or shall we say the former are too malleable, hence desirable by middle-aged white men.

  138. @Dr Giggles

    But can you make your chicken tikka masala? The British can’t and so are stuck with curry houses of good and bad sort in the thousands and all that goes with it, i.e. unskilled labor force with nothing bettet to offer.

    • Replies: @maddaugh
  139. @The Big Red Scary

    Serious question on a subject I am not well versed on. Russia has a super abundance of natural resources and has had high comoetence in math and science. Why hasnt the Russian economy done better…? It is it truly that they spent too much on the military? If you can – please compare contrast to China – Germany – Japan.

    • Replies: @The Big Red Scary
  140. TKK says:
    @Johnny Walker Read

    Truly fascinating. His eyes look like high fi speakers. His anatomy shames any sic-fi creation imagined.

    I was reading about how the Ebola virus was changing to “sneak”past antibiotics. And, how in the DROC (Congo) that 127 Western, probably earnest and well meaning, healthcare workers have been killed or attacked by the natives as they try to stem the Ebola outbreak because of superstitions and backward beliefs and violent natures.

    Imagine traipsing across the world to expose yourself to Ebola laden diarrhea, vomit and blood in a shack with no air conditioning in the miserable heat, only to be rewarded with a dull machete driven into your scalp by a local who believes you are a witch.

    Dumb beats clever. But, whose the dummy?

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  141. @max

    Yes and algebra and the scientific method came from what we call the middle east. The basis for the binary code came Chinese writings that the Jesuits took back.

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @maddaugh
  142. Haole says:
    @MikeatMikedotMike

    Why do they come?

    The dollar is one of the reasons. A mexican can make something like a dollar an hour in Mexico and $10 in California. He can send one dollar home and keep USD 9 for his new life in California. Homes, education and medicine cost about 5 times more in california so his life style might not be all that much better except for:

    Welfare, Obama care, food stamps, free education.

  143. @Anon

    This is vulgar & demeaning. What, anyway, has Fred’s personal life got with this discussion? And who says he didn’t make a right choice in life?

    If I understand, Fred’s wife is a light Mestiza (“racially”). So what?

    • Replies: @Anon
  144. padre says:

    Oh , but you not only sound but are racist!

  145. @Rich

    Rich,
    Obidingdong is Teeny Dick in blackface. Don’t encourage it.

  146. @Anon

    While overseas in the early 70s, I met a few US lecturers on sabbatical, all PhDs. I know it’s not current, but they seemed to agree that British and European baccalaureate degrees were the equivalent of most American Masters degrees, mainly because there was little or no “optional” courses to the area of study. All but perhaps one course in the degree was in the specific area of study. For example, 18 0r 19 courses of a physics degree would be physics or directly related course such as math/calculus, where in the US it could be as few as 12.
    Isn’t it interesting that the “Kumon” method is the rage for tutoring math. A neighbor, whose son was being tutored explained it to me. I noted that being a dinosaur from the age before “new math”, that was essentially how I was taught math. So much for “educational reform”.

  147. Anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:

    Considering how smart white American males are held back in our universities and society in general, it’s amazing there was even one white guy in the American team. Something tells me he’s a red-haired Ashkenazi. Everyone has at least some good points and I would say that Fred’s good point is that he doesn’t push LGBT stuff. Other than that, there isn’t a whole lot.

  148. anonymous[191] • Disclaimer says:
    @Showmethereal

    I totally disagree, binary math came from the smoke signals the American Indians sent to each other. They had their own Sitting Bull Code long before Morse even started thinking about his dots and dashes.

    • Replies: @Showmethereal
  149. Anonymous[202] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bruno

    Hence my question. I’m neither Asian nor European and my own low IQ may have been conditioned by numerous articles here (not sarcastic) that have been rubbing in the issue of Euro genetic superiority. The sarcasm of this piece was obviously totally lost on me. And if I were White and the sarcasm remained lost on me, the writer would still pass as racist.

  150. FvS says:

    Other races might shine in a couple of areas, but whites have the overall best combination of intelligence, creativity, size, strength, speed, empathy, and boldness.

    • Replies: @FvS
    , @Char Char Binks
  151. FvS says:
    @FvS

    I forgot beauty.

    • Replies: @Char Char Binks
  152. @nah

    As they come out of a debt-fuelled decade of transformation

    So, it’s China that has $23+ trillion debt? I was misinformed, I thought it was the US.

    • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
  153. anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @gotmituns

    Keep telling yourself that, as you steal that can from your dog… trailer whitrash!

  154. skedaddle says:
    @Dr Giggles

    I worked with H1b computer people from India – they didn’t have a clue what they were doing. But the idiot managers who fired all the American workers wouldn’t admit their mistake so the few remaining Americans were worked harder to make up the shortfall.

    I did witness Indians openly crying in the aisles the day their jobs were eliminated in a corporate-wide cutback. The very last thing they wanted was to go back to India. And I’m supposed to think these people are better – no way!

    • Replies: @Dr Giggles
  155. @Colin Wright

    This is a very smart post. It never hurts to be over prepared for any situation.

  156. @Anon

    Most witty, A[424]!
    Your school must have been quite a bore.
    I infer from your lingo
    You’re a lower-class gringo,
    And dub thee Sir Typos Galore.

  157. @Showmethereal

    I myself am not well-versed, but my hypothesis is that the commies created a host of economic problems still in need of resolving, the “liberals” who came after them used “economic reform” as an excuse for mass theft, and now normal Russian people are very suspicious of the necessary reforms, so the government is wary of pushing them through.

  158. how did mexicans do at the math olympiad, fred?

  159. Fact says:
    @Брат

    “No missile defense system will ever destroy every single missile launched against it. Kinda like how not every “stealth” jet will be stealthy. Just ask Lt. Col. Darrell Patrick Zelko.
    Anyway, let me know when the US designs something better.”

    Yes, but they was also using the old SU s-200 system then, let´s see what will happen when they use their never s-300 what they have today.

    Orm the s.400 and even the s-500, which Russia defend them self with today.

    BTW, the s-400 which US of A sanction everyone that wants to buy it, I don´t understand why 😉

    • Replies: @AnonFromTN
  160. anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    re scientific creativity & technological power, in next 20-40 years, this will still be a “white world”

    Given that you are from some pathetic balkan rump entity, you sound like that distant loser cousin attempting to live vicariously through their “winner” relatives’ pride and glory.

    I’m with them… I’m with them! Lol!

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  161. @max

    Your point as a whole is intact and i agree. However, don’t use that “0” hindutwadi example

  162. @Fact

    BTW, the s-400 which US of A sanction everyone that wants to buy it, I don´t understand why

    Nothing personal, strictly business. The US tries to force everyone to buy inferior American systems Patriot and THAAD. The former failed so many times that it’d take too much space to list them all. Arguably, its “best” performance was in KSA, where it kept missing Houthi’s missiles but hit a Saudi house instead. The latter “distinguished” itself in South Korea, where it consistently learned about NK missile launches from local newspapers. You can’t allow market mechanisms when you peddle crap, while your competitor sells the real thing.

  163. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Of course no demeaning intention , just humorous . My impression is that Fred has a lot of sense of humor and that he would appreciate the joke . Where is your sense of humor , Kaldian ? are you a yankee puritan ?

    Hernan Cortes started a new race of native and spanish mestizos in Mèxico . The Kings of Spain favored mixed marriages . Yea , so what ? , go tell the yankees who never mix with anyone even mentally .

  164. I did not understand the premise of the article..sorry I guess I am so dumb…BUT the US/American team in the Math competitions and OTHER international competitions include (USA born) NON Eurpean students…genetics? is there such a concept as American genetics?? what if the team member is Indian, Chinese, backgrounds??? Maybe the best predictor of academic success will be the% of GDP spent in University/academic/research education…since American K-12th education (poor) is just a pathetic dismal failure..thanks to the Teachers Unions..more than $10 billions per school districts down the toilet…

  165. d dan says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    1. Field Medal: Math is known to be a young person’s field, that is why Field Medal is awarded to people under 40. It requires at least a decade or likely 2 decades of works to get the award. Let’s face it, if you are still not looking into serious math problems by the time you are 20 years old, you are unlikely to be a Field Medalist material. As such, I think even Field Medal is still an indicator lagging by at least 1.5 to 2 decades. I would argue this is true for almost all top awards in the wiki list.

    2. Top 10 Greatest Inventions of Last Decade: This is a very fault list. There are so many things to criticize. You already noted one. There are other points: e.g. GPS was invented MANY decades ago, not in 2005. Same for several other items like computer vision, touch screen, etc. Other “inventions” are so questionable: Github is a great invention – give me a break. I won’t even call it an invention.

    3. I offer instead this list of the most important breakthroughs in math from around 2001 – 2005: http://mathematics-in-europe.eu/?p=334
    Note that there is a Japanese, a Vietnamese and a Chinese. That is already 30% for Asians, shattering the 85-95% you predicted for white. Also, note the top of the list is by a Chinese. Several serious math researchers consider Zhang’s work to be the most important math breakthrough in the last decade.

    4. Faculty member in Harvard, Pricenton… First, you understand these are American universities, and there is only 5% American-Asian population in the country, right? Everyone I know all agree that Asians are over-represented in the top U, so I am not sure why you even bring up a point that counter your own argument. Looking alternatively, what is the percentage of white in Tsinghua or Peking U.?

    5. China’s GDP per capital is still a fraction of US and most western countries. So I would argue the full potential of China has not been unleashed. Another supporting evidence is that there are only 3 millions American Chinese, but they have captured more Nobel, Field, Turing… than the 1.4 billions Chinese in the mainland. If the 1.4 billions could achieve a fraction of the rate of American Chinese, China would probably be a powerhouse.

    6. A further argument of the untapped China’s potential: If you are the top 0.0001% in China, you probably have 1000 possible career paths to choose. You could works in commercial companies for 2 decades to file 100 patents, to become a multi-millionaire. Or you can work in pure research for 2 decades to aim for an uncertain, low monetary reward like Field Medal or Turing. Because Chinese market is growing so fast, I believe that the attraction is so much bigger for the commercial than for people in the west.

    7. I would also argue that the contributions of the west in science is overrated. Some serious mathematicians, for example, rated Pythagoras to be the top 10 mathematicians ever. I almost laughed my arss off when I heard that. People really believe he discovered the pythagoraem theorem, and no other ancient civilizations were aware of that? Same for Archimedes’ principle. And why is Pascal triangle not called Yang Hui’s triangle or Al-Karaji triangle? What about ancient work by Mozi about Newton’s first law of motion. And the Ming dynasty physician works on bacteria, etc. As the saying “history is written by the victors”. Right now, the west is the victor, so it is quite natural for people to see thing from that optics.

    8. As for your “stereotype about non-imaginative & mostly copycat of Asians”, and your comments about “lack of essential freedom in these cultures…”, I won’t respond too much, except to note that you are very narrow minded and ignorant of Asian culture. I would end this exchange with the following historical note. In 1864, Irish construction superintendent James Strobridge of the Central Pacific Railroad believed Chinese were not strong enough to construct the railroad. He commented: “Good God! They can’t handle a pick and shovel, let alone lift one!” At that time, probably over 90% of the railroad in the world had been constructed by white, and 0% by Chinese. But due to lack of applicant from white workers, they were forced to accept the initial batch of 50 Chinese workers. And you know the rest of the history.

    You should hope that you are not called the Strobridge in 150 years from now.

    • Agree: Chinaman
    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  166. Chinaman says:

    Dear Fred, I salute you for pointing out the glaring truth that no white people wants to admit- that the Chinese are smarter-. The absurdity of the US IMO team is a “chink” in the armor for all white supremacist.

    90% of the comments here brought out the usual rejoinder- chinks are conformist and lack “creativity.” And that China didn’t win any Field medal. May be I point out that Field medal is a western institution and control by whites. Let’s see how many Chinese will win the medal if all the judges are Chinese. No white people , no matter their IQ, wants to admit that Chinese are at the pinnacle of intelligence.

    Reality have a way of catching up with you. As the singularity approaches, this genetic gap in Intelligence and the renaissance Of China will change the world order. it will be the Chinese who leads the world into this new era.

    Western civilisation will enter another dark age.

    • Disagree: Republic
  167. anonymous[308] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Basically, you see, the pestilence of dndootva mushes up the brain. The afflicted begin to believe things like, the frigging cow inhales oxygen, and exhales oxygen too! The braindead also entertain grand delusions about being the creators of nuclear weapons/ballistic missiles, the internet, flying aircraft, elephant-head-man plastic surgery, and basically everything else.

    These are the feckless lowlifes, the descendants of whitrash worshipping faggot traitors (*1), who rule over that extremist pagan cesspool. Oh boy, we are so screwed!

    Regarding those rulers… Bodi may be “charismatic,” in his own made-up fugly way, but is a prime example of a complete dndootva dummy. In contrast, Shah has the charisma of a door knob, but man, what a most cunning mofer that thing is. smh.

    *1: https://thewire.in/history/bhagat-singh-and-savarkar-a-tale-of-two-petitions

    Talking about backward, I am sitting here watching a news channel, due to coffee-induced insomnia at 4am, and I get to know something abominable… a dndoo community which worships Gandhi as a… wait for it… Goddess. Wha??!!

    I suppose this is still better than the dndoos who worship the “goddess” of menses. Yeah?

    • Replies: @Malla
  168. Chinaman says:
    @nah

    I ask the same question and been bearish about the Chinese economy since 2007. Then I realise that China inadvertently solved the Achilles heel of modern capitalism, which is the banks and the process of credit creation. Banks should be non profit state enterprise that functions for the good of the people. Credit creation should not be in the hands of selfish capitalist but a government policy. It is ironic that it is socialism that save capitalism in 2008. China’s debt fuelled growth will continue until it reach its full productive capacity.

  169. @AnonFromTN

    China too has pretty large national debt. $5+ trillion. Considering everything they got into debt of this size pretty early. It looks like everyone is in debt.

  170. @Dr Giggles

    How did NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICANS ever manage to survive when there hardly any Asians in the US?

    Answer:VERY WELL THANK YOU!!!….1969….a 90 percent NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICA and a 99 percent Native Born White American NASA managed to place two ALPHA NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN MALES ON THE MOON….to do the White Male Moon Walk….

    The Chinese “Americans”…The Hindu “Americans”….do not belong on NATIVE BORN WHITE AMERICAN LIVING AND BREEDING SPACE!!!!=AMERICA…..

    GO BACK TO FUCKING CHINA!!!

    GO BACK TO FUCKING INDIA!!!

  171. Poco says:
    @Chinaman

    Establish your own international awards then and fuck off.

    • Replies: @annamaria
  172. @d dan

    Well-this is so naive, ill informed & emotional that it is easy to show its inadequacy.

    1. no, mathematics is not a field for young people (not to be confuse with precocity). Most great mathematicians did their most important work between their 30s and 80s (they tend to live long, I suppose). It was theoretical physicists who were mostly finished when they were between 36 and 40 (this seems to change with time). Enough to say that Andrew Wiles made his most important contributions when way over 30 or 40.

    If you argue that top awards on any wiki list (Turing, Wolf, Abel, ..) are “old”- what’s the point? Where are your arguments & what they depend on? Besides, the greatest single Nobel “hit” was prize given to Heisenberg, Schroedinger & Dirac, almost immediately after their published works. It is a myth that Nobel prizes reflect some work 40 years old, simply because there were a few people who really waited too long & this created optical illusion.

    I repeat- you have no proof that Asian mathematicians (or scientists etc.) are even close to match, let alone overtaking Europeans & Americans in their respective fields.

    2. as for inventions, you just confirmed what I’ve said: Americans & Europeans build on what they themselves had created, and if something was done in last 10 years (it could be 20 or 5), & built on something going back a few decades ago, this runs contrary to your wishes.

    Anyway, I didn’t see anything serious cataloging 10, 20,..100 most important serious inventions in the world in past 10 or 20 years- and which part comes from Japan, China,India etc.

    Where they are? Which are these inventions with truly trailblazing effect?

    3. although 3 Asian mathematicians are very serious & creative people, some of them have been, a Vietnamese, had been awarded Fields medal & he’s, in this respect, nothing new. No 1., Yitang Zhang, is close to 65 years old, which points more in my direction, that highest mathematics is for middle age geezers & I hope that Mr. Zhang will achieve even more when he is 70 or 80. But this has nothing to do with anything resembling “new wave” of Asian scientist. Anyway, to take a list of 10 math accomplishments & to point out to 3 out of 10 people to refute an offhand remark of 85-95% to 70%- this is a wonderful illustration of Twain’s saying about lies, damn lies and statistics. Who would take such a line of reasoning seriously?

    4. I have said that Asians are over-represented in Harvard etc., but most of them are not China-born, let alone China-educated. Simply because ethnic Han, Chinese would be the only people enticed to go to the contemporary China- and it would be just fine for them to do such a thing, some sort of patriotic duty. But they seem very unwilling to leave “white man’s world”.

    5. not worthy of comment. US can, as I write, with a few stubborn political & economic manoeuvres, knock China to her knees, ready for a knockdown. Having in mind that most China’s national & regional problems are not yet addressed, this country is extremely vulnerable to even minor progress in liberal democracy. Huge amount of China’s rise was essentially due to a combination of myopic greed of Western plutocrats & Western good will. If it evaporates, most of China’s power will collapse swifter than Sultan of Zanzibar when confronting British Navy.

    6. this has nothing to do with topics discussed. We could go on & on about relative strengths: for instance, US makes huge amounts of many & creative work in film industry,while Chinese film would not be quite interesting to the rest of the world. And so what?

    7. this is so obscurantist that barely deserves a mention. There were great mathematicians, however, Pythagoras is god of mathematics. Only ancient Greeks developed mathematics as science, logically connected network of proofs, ideas & the fundamental idea which Galileo later phrased that “book of nature is written in the language of mathematics”. No other culture had developed mathematics as science, with strict proofs & corpus of knowledge.

    This party really reeks of Asian inferiority complexes.

    8. if you are into historiosophy, you should know that West has made the world as it is. Western art forms are universal, so is music, so is literature, so is philosophy, so is film, so are sciences (exact, technical, social & humanist), so is law, so is politics,… Asian contributions, while very worthy, simply cannot stand comparison .

    This whole issue is absurd. No arguments, only inferiority complexes.

    And at the end, it wouldn’t be bad to address the issue of sterility of one-dimensional life of sciences, which doesn’t only gives more richness to life, but also vastly enhances scientific results.

    https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/losing-our-humanities-its-a-national-security-issue/

    • Replies: @d dan
  173. @anonymous

    Well, I have a freedom & life. While your countrymen have only … nah, it would be too cruel.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  174. @Chinaman

    No white people , no matter their IQ, wants to admit that Chinese are at the pinnacle of intelligence.

    This may count as overstatement of the year.

    • Replies: @Jester
  175. Брат says:
    @awry

    You,

    You are swallowing propaganda manufactured for you.

    Also you,

    The F-35 has had a lot of teething problems and still have quite a few but it undeniably represents another league compared to 4th generation fighters. Russia pathetically failed to make an actual stealth aircraft as the Su-57 is obviously not a real one. It’s simply above the capabilities of the Russian aircraft industry at the moment. It has visible rivet heads, exposed fan blades, the pilot’s helmet has probably an order of magnitude larger RCS than an F-35 as its canopy is apparently unshielded. The Chinese J-20 is perhaps not in the same league in stealth as the F-22 or even the F-35, but it looks much more serious than the Su-57 as it doesn’t have the previously mentioned characteristics.

    > ‘murica!

  176. FvS says:

    Clearly, some of you have never been in a China hate thread on 4chan. You couldn’t pay me to ride an escalator, an elevator, or drive in China. There is a reason the Chinese are called insects. They are the Jews of Asia, money-grubbing con artists to the core.
    https://ezinearticles.com/?Chinese-Cultural-Lack-of-Empathy-in-Development—Counselling-Practice&id=1907719

    This book perfectly describes the Chinese people. It was written in 1933, but you can see they haven’t changed one bit.

    Here is an excerpt.
    https://imgur(dot)com/a/A2BtNLJ

    • Replies: @Брат
  177. Rogue says:
    @Poco

    The whole world apart from the USA says “maths”.

    So who’s idiotic?

  178. Rogue says:
    @bomag

    It is impossible to completely understand and assess human intelligence.

    However, IQ testing, as poor a measure of rating human intelligence as it does, has a kind of ball-park relevancy.

    In other words, basically agree.

  179. Jews are letting America down!

  180. @FvS

    Size, strength and speed come in handy in math and science competition, of course. That’s why Jamaicans do so well.

  181. d dan says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    I see that you are the one who get defensive. Do you notice the number of descriptive words you started to throw out in your reply: “naive, ill informed & emotional, inferiority complexes, absurd, inferiority complexes,…”

    I agree this is not worthy of further discussion. So, I will stop arguing and just summarize my points for the readers (and you) to decide:

    1. Nobel, Turing, Field and other top awards requires decades of work. It is a lagging indicator of the current level of research activities and achievements.

    2. The full potential of China’s research has not been realized today. It is still LONG way from its full potential.

    3. Western dominance in science (and yes, in arts, music, philosophy, law, etc…) are over-rated, because many people in the west refuse to recognize achievements of others.

    4. You provide no evidence to your assertion that “in next 20-40 years, this will still be a “white world”, and 85%-95% of the breakthroughs will be done by white.

    5. Your stereotyping of Asians being “not capable of imagination” etc are very narrow-minded, and will be proved to be wrong in the coming decades.

  182. Брат says:
    @FvS

    Of course.
    Only yellow-fever stricken fetishists buy into the delusion of China stronk!
    These are the low-t soybois who need to justify their life mistake of impregnating one of these insects.

    I knew a white American who worked in China for over a decade. And he really despised the Chinese. The idea of these people having 105+ average IQ is a massive CCP lie and I wouldn’t trust a single thing the CCP says.

  183. Kronos says:
    @Silverknight

    Yeah, Leftists will keep looking until IQ is no longer a 80% genetic and 20% environmental split. They’ll keep looking until the funding/political support runs out.

    “The heritability of IQ for adults is between 57% and 73%[6] with some more-recent estimates as high as 80%[7] and 86%.[8] IQ goes from being weakly correlated with genetics, for children, to being strongly correlated with genetics for late teens and adults. The heritability of IQ increases with age and reaches an asymptote at 18–20 years of age and continues at that level well into adulthood.” -Wikipedia

    Remember, Black academic achievement peaked in 1955. With segregation in place, middle/upper class blacks were forced into schools with black underclass knuckleheads. With the dysgenic effects of welfare, the scores have declined over the years. (Also, the smart blacks left the inner cities like a bat out of hell.)

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  184. @TKK

    I was reading about how the Ebola virus was changing to “sneak”past antibiotics.

    Antibiotics have no effect on viruses to begin with. Whatever you were reading, it was not even wrong.

  185. Chinaman says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Whites all around the world think they live in a free country but this is an illusion fed by the media and government and lack of exposure to the world and cultures.

    Individual liberty and the protection of personal property are enshrined in the constitution of Western democracies but I find it hard to reconcile all these talk with being involuntarily deprived of more than 50% of the fruits of my labor through personal tax. Tax is SLAVERY, period…taxes went up to 94% during in the 1940. Some People have it better under communism. It is imposed against everyone’s will, and I consider this act the ultimate form of tyranny. What is left unsaid is that taxes are a disease that result from western democracy and the tendency for the mob to expropriate the properties of rich throughout history.

    Another point is that ideological wars that are being fought in the West now have gone insane. Socialism and Feminism have poisoned politics and introduced many unjust laws into the legislature in the West, some of them you won’t even be remotely aware- until you transgress on them. You can easily be locked up for something totally ridiculous . Law is as arbitrary as the committee of unknown people who draft them and often used as a political weapon in the West.

    To state this in as simple terms as possible, the USA, the land of the free, was founded on the Slavery of black people and the genocide of the native Americans. It makes me nauseous whenever I hear western countries chastise China about its human rights abuses. It is the pinnacle of hypocrisy and shamelessness when you are holding yourself as the standard bearer of democracy to the world while minorities in your country are not allowed to vote and as recent as the 1960-70s, segregation and Jim Crow laws were still practiced in the South.

    This is not mention that the defender human rights and freedom also happen to have the largest prison population and “waterboard ” as a pastime- that’s torture-

    • Replies: @Jester
  186. Chinaman says:
    @Kronos

    Thank you for pointing this out on my behalf but You can replace the video with a guy like Will Ferrell and also replace white with Asian, black wing white, White people with any sense should keep quiet and stop pointing out the genetic gap since they are not very high on the totem pole…

  187. Chinaman says:
    @Брат

    Whites invented the IQ construct and hundreds white People measure chinese’s IQ over decades to arrive at this conclusion which none of them wants to admit. However, Reality is what it is, as Fred pointed out.

    Chinese never claim they have a 105 IQ. White people said it…

    • Replies: @d dan
  188. @Брат

    I think it’s high but not that high. It’s the CCP. Oc course theyre gonna massage the numbers a bit. In the PISA tests, don’t they only submit results from Beijing and Shanghai? Very manipulative. There are studies which point towards lower IQs

  189. Kronos says:
    @Si1ver1ock

    Because our economy/society is transforming into a IQ Caste system. Your essentially screwed unless you have a 160+ IQ to operate a hedge fund. Common discussions about IQ occurs because it constitutes a very real variable. All jokes aside, have you encountered a CEO with an IQ of 85?

  190. gem says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    🙂 I am apologizing if I got the idea behind the article wrong (or even didn’t get it at all as you pictured above!)

  191. Malla says:
    @anonymous

    https://thewire.in/history/bhagat-singh-and-savarkar-a-tale-of-two-petitions

    Bhagat Singh was a Communist and yet the Hindutvas claim him as their own. LOL.

    I get to know something abominable… a dndoo community which worships Gandhi as a… wait for it… Goddess. Wha??!!

    Our religion is partly screwed up. Hell there are temples to Modi.

    Basically hinduism in a nutshell by an European Observer

    “Seriously speaking, the turn and bent of the imagination of the people of India are such, that they can in no wise be excited but by what is monstrous. Ordinary occurrences make no impression upon them at all. Their attention cannot be gained without the introduction of giants and pygmies. The Brahmans, therefore, having studied this propensity, availed themselves of it to invent a religious worship, which they artfully interwove with their own private interests.—This passion of the Hindus for the extraordinary and the wonderful must have been remarked by every one who has ever so little studied their character. It continually leads to the observation I have so frequently repeated, that as often as it was necessary to move their gross imagination, some circumstance, altogether extravagant, but coloured with the hue of truth, was required to be added to the simplicity of narrative or fact. To give them any idea of the marvellous, something must be invented that will overturn, or at least alter the whole order of nature. The miracles of the Christian religion, however extraordinary they must appear to a common understanding, are by no means so to the Hindus. Upon them they have no effect. The exploits of Joshua and his army, and the prodigies they effected by the interposition of God, in the conquest of the land of Canaan, seem to them unworthy of notice, when compared with the achievements of their own Rama, and the miracles which attended his progress when he subjected Ceylon to his yoke. The mighty strength of Samson dwindles into nothing, when opposed to the overwhelming energy of Bali, of Ravana, and the giants. The resurrection of Lazarus itself is, in their eyes, an ordinary event, of which they see frequent examples, in the Vishnu ceremonies of the Paheahdam.—I particularize these examples, because they have been actually opposed to me more than once by Brahmans, in my disputations with them on religion.” Abbé Dubois, p. 421.

  192. Malla says:
    @Professional Stranger

    However the Brahmin caste has an average IQ of 115

    That is B.S. The Indians going to the USA are highly selected.

    As far as Brahmin mathematics, that is a lot of hype too.

    Of the fitness of the proof to maintain any such conclusions as have been founded upon it, an idea may be formed from this; that Mr. Bentley, who has paid great attention to the books of Hindu astronomy, says they are all of modern date, and their pretensions to antiquity founded only on forgery. As his moderate knowledge of mathematics, however, and even the inelegancies of his style, have been sarcastically employed to throw discredit upon his conclusions, it is of importance to add that the two mathematicians whose reputation for profundity seems to exceed that of all their cotemporaries, Laplace, and an eminent ornament of our country, not only reject the inference of the great antiquity and perfection of the Hindu astronomy, but, from the evidence offered, draw a conclusion directly the reverse; viz. that this science is in the very same state of infancy among the Hindus with all the other branches of knowledge. The Surya Sidhanta is the great repository of the astronomical knowledge of the Hindus. It is on the authority of our own countryman I am enabled to declare, that this book is itself the most satisfactory of all proofs of the low state of the science among the Hindus, and the rudeness of the people from whom it proceeds; that its fantastic absurdity is truly Hindu; that all we can learn from it is a few facts, the result [90] of observations which required no skill; that its vague allegories and fanciful reflections prove nothing, or every thing; that a resolute admirer may build upon them all the astronomical science of modern times; but a man who should divest his mind of the recollection of European discoveries, and ask what a people unacquainted with the science could learn from the Surya Sidhanta, would find it next to nothing.

    The progress of knowledge, and the force of observation, demonstrated the necessity of regarding the actual state of the Hindus as little removed from that of half-civilised nations. The saving hypothesis, however, was immediately adopted, that the situation in which the Hindus are now beheld is a state of degradation; that formerly they were in a state of high civilization; from which they had fallen through the miseries of foreign conquest, and subjugation.

    On the geography and chronology, as parts of the literature of the Hindus, I shall express myself in the language of Mr. Wilford. “The Hindus,” says that celebrated Hindu scholar, “have no regular work on the subject of geography, or none at least that ever came to my knowledge.—I was under a necessity of extracting my materials from their historical poems, or, as they may be called more properly, their legendary tales.” In another place he says, “The Hindu systems of geography, chronology, and history, are all equally monstrous and absurd. The circumference of the earth is said to be 500,000,000 yojanas, or 2,456,000,000 British miles: the mountains are asserted to be 100 yojanas, or 491 British miles high. Hence the mountains to the south of Benares are said, in the Puranas, to have kept the holy city in total darkness, till Matra-deva growing angry at their insolence, they humbled themselves to the ground, and their highest peak now is not more than 500 feet high. In the Calica Purana, it is said that the mountains have sunk considerably, so that the highest is not above one yojana, or five miles high.—When the Puranics speak of the kings [66] of ancient times, they are equally extravagant. According to them, King Yudhishthir reigned 27,000 years; King Nanda is said to have possessed in his treasury above 1,584,000,000 pounds sterling in gold coin alone; the value of the silver and copper coin, and jewels, exceeded all calculation: and his army consisted of 100,000,000 men. These accounts, geographical, chronological, and historical, as absurd and inconsistent with reason, must be rejected.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  193. Bill99 says:

    I don’t understand. In earlier posts, I thought Fred’s girlfriend was a beaner. In this one, she is a slant. Which is it? Many insecure older white men who failed at relationships with women their own age go to Asia or Mexico and take up with much younger women who do not challenge them intellectually in exchange for being taken care of in a style they enjoy.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  194. @Malla

    Yes, but these figures have mythic functions.They are not intended to be a “science”; their function is mostly to crush personal ego & to induce a thirst for liberation, mostly through yoga or various similar disciplines.

    Although superseded in some details, Joe Campbell’s books are still valuable in this respect:

    • Replies: @Malla
  195. @Bill99

    Not my business, but Fred’s last long-time partner is a Mexican. He wrote about it many times; he & the missus have been in China recently, so he wrote a few articles on the rising China power.

    • Replies: @Dr Giggles
  196. Jester says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    N

    o white people , no matter their IQ, wants to admit that Chinese are at the pinnacle of intelligence.

    Well let’s see:

    China’s civilization is 4000 years old ?

    China was a dismal communist dump until American companies started using their cheap labour just a few decades ago

    The Chinese high IQ students are coming to the States in droves to study with low IQ students and low IQ professors.?

    There are more Chinese living in the States than Americans living in China

    There are more boats with Chinese hiding in rice bags headed to the States than the other way around.

    Let’s be rational. They come here because they expect a better life than the miserable existence they have in China and that better life in every way was created by higher intelligence whites in just a few hundred years compared to China’s 4000 years.

    To this day there are areas in China that are so backward you could easily feel in a time warp.

    Higher intelligence my ass !

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  197. Jester says:
    @Chinaman

    So what are YOU doing here ?? Why are you still here ??

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Dr Giggles
  198. Malla says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Thanks, I would like to check out this book.

    crush personal ego

    For some strange reason most of our Brahmins and Sadhus/Rishis/ holymen have huge egos.

    • Replies: @Bardon Kaldian
  199. @skedaddle

    Nooooooooooo ! How could that be ? They are superior !

    They weep with joy because they are returning to a high IQ country where people shit and urinate in public, where beggars prevail, where one can see stray dogs copulating in the street, animals wandering all over the place, and where the average indian house measuring 700 square feet is inhabited by 4 families and has one outdoor latrine pit. So much for their thousands of years of history. What is there to not cry tears of joy about.

    Talking about crying, we hired an Indian accountant with his Chartered Accounting (designation from the UK to manage a small subsidiary group within an international conglomerate. At 2 am in the morning with just 6 hours to go for the overall corporate reporting deadline I got a call with him sobbing at the other end. This high IQ person was unable to consolidate his financial reports and I could not understand why. After a 1 hour commute in the middle of winter, I realized in just a few minutes that the dummy was not eliminating intercompany transactions within the sub group. He was a casualty at the end of the week. We just packed his shit and security escorted him out. My boss had smoke coming out of his ass because he had insisted on hiring the guy.

    And here is the rub. Both my boss and I did not have such exalted qualifications !

    Dr Giggles has become very cautious when groups or individuals tout their own intelligence and abilities. In virtually all cases I have discovered they were full of shit.

    Every driving school and pizza parlour within 10 blocks of my home is run by some indian. Likewise every convenience store and restaurant has a chinaman behind the counter. High IQ people run these LOL.

    This thing with high IQ Indians, Chinese etc is all a load of crap. If they are so smart how come their countries are so backward ??

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  200. Gyre07 says:
    @Eustace Tilley (not)

    The main difference between the US and Russia? Their media reports on screw-ups whereas the US media either doesn’t report at all on it, or takes directions from their CIA handlers on what the ‘official’ narrative will be. Which system do you think is healthier for the people living under them?

  201. @Jester

    An unpleasant revelation from discussion groups, at least for me: Chinese inferiority complex & seething rage towards whites. Perhaps I didn’t pay much attention; perhaps my view was distorted because of my late Chinese friend (who tragically died in a car-crash a day after his wedding) whose mature wold-view was: we are proud & ancient civilization, we’ve been horribly humiliated by the West in the 19th C; but now we have adapted while retaining our central cultural traits & the future is bright- for us & the rest of the world.

    Looks he was atypical.

  202. @Malla

    This shows that great Indian (Bengali) scholar Dasgupta was right when he insisted that “four pillars” of Hinduism (infallibility of the Vedas, samsara, karma & moksha) were not literally acceptable for him (he was a theist, but of a more modern, individual kind): http://crossasia-repository.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/149/1/Guggenbuehl_Eliade_DasGupta_Gesamt2.pdf

    • Replies: @Malla
  203. @anonymous

    No I specifically mean the binary code – which eventually led to digital ages. The binary code was developed in Germany. It was based off of Chinese writings from centuries before brought back by Jesuits. Look it up.

  204. @Bardon Kaldian

    Fred is a writer with a sharp sense of sarcasm and irony. A lot of his articles are fun to read because they tend to get folks upset. In a sense he is a troll.

    However, Fred writing about rising China power after a few weeks vacation there with his Senorita is like me writing about auto engine design after filling up with gas.

    Without the western world paying $300 for a pair of sneakers costing $1 to make in China, that whole country would fall back into the prehistoric era.

    I hear folks talking about US weakness due to its debt to China but all this is rubbish. If I owe a man $1000 I am in his debt true enough but if I refuse to pay him he can take the loan agreement and wipe his ass with it.

    HE is the one screwed. The person who loaned the money is the one on the risky side of the bargain.

    China power ?? Yeah right !

  205. maddaugh says:
    @Anonymous Snanonymous

    Those curry houses are a kind of medication for constipation. Instead of paying $30 to the pharmacist you can buy a curry and some rice several days old for $5.95 plus tax. It clears up the condition. That is quite a saving. The bad news is that a person might get some disease scientists haven’t yet discovered. I guess every remedy has its side effects.

  206. maddaugh says:
    @Showmethereal

    Thanks for telling us. I always thought it came from the Baluba tribe in the Congo. A Chinaman was stranded there when his Junk ran aground and discovered the binary code when the natives beat their tom tom drums to send a message.

    Lucky for civilization him he wrote all this down because they ate him and a Jesuit priest used smoke signals to relay this vital discovery back to Italy. Just look it up !

    This was all 70o years ago so it just shows how advanced the Chinese were in their understanding of technology.

  207. Malla says:
    @Bardon Kaldian

    Thanks I already knew about him and his Romanian student.

    Hinduism for a poor villager in India is very different than the Hinduism peddled to Westerners. For the villagers it is Gods and spirits and weird superstitions and living in constant fear/revelations of Gods.

    • Replies: @Anon
  208. @Chinaman

    There are posters who exaggerate about white superiority to the Nth degree, then there is you who does the same with Chinese and Asians alike.

    What does that tell you?

    Clear enough?

    Are you even Chinese? You behave and write like nationalistic Indians. Same tone and style.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  209. d dan says:
    @Chinaman

    “Chinese never claim they have a 105 IQ. White people said it…”

    Yes, I find this very funny too. And people like @Брат claims that is a massive CCP lies.

    Can’t get more defensive than that.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  210. Anon[263] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Even educated city Hindus believe in these things

    As do Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, etc.

    Superstition is extreme in the Indian subcontinent.

    • Replies: @Malla
  211. Chinaman says:
    @Jester

    I am in Hong Kong. But honestly, I would rather live in China or Japan then to live in the US. The place is a shithole

    Go to Shanghai or Toyko to see what a modern CIVILISED 21st-century city looks like.

  212. Chinaman says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    I guess I am just trying to educate white people about the reality of race and IQ. I only cite facts and never exaggerate anything. Chinese are almost inferior in about every other aspect (athletic abilities, even physical beauty) besides intelligence. This is objective and everyone acknowledge this…

    Don’t confuse me with Indians. The image of the eloquent, lucid Indian is no more than a veneer of their dark complexion and an average IQ of 85. I hired a few Indians in my company before. As you mention, smooth-talking but never could any money…

  213. Chinaman says:
    @d dan

    Since white people invented most of everyday items in the last 100 years (let’s see what happens in the next 50 years), I never thought Chinese were very smart.

    This change when I research Race and IQ and started working with white people. I actually ran tests on Ivy league graduate using Advanced progressive Matrix on my own.

    I guess these white people obviously think CCP infiltrated the US IMO team to make them all Chinese. What a bunch of losers.

    • Replies: @Malla
  214. Malla says:
    @Anon

    Yes true, it is much higher in the villages though.

    https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/married-man-kills-owl-to-perform-black-magic-for-attracting-woman-in-delhi-1387286-2018-11-13
    Married man kills owl to perform black magic for attracting woman in Delhi

    With the crappy gender ratio we have in India thanks to female fetuses being aborted and girl children being killed, and desperate men, owls may become extinct in India soon. What is interesting is that the British East India Company had to pass laws to protect girl children in India 2 centuries back, yet this crap exists.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/30/asia/india-murder-suspected-witchcraft-intl/index.html
    Six men arrested for killing woman, four children for suspected ‘witchcraft’ in Indian village

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ranchi/jharkhand-headless-bodies-of-two-kids-found-locals-claim-they-were-sacrificed-for-black-magic/articleshow/70185287.cms
    Jharkhand: Headless bodies of two kids found, locals claim they were sacrificed for black magic

    https://www.ucanews.com/news/witch-hunts-cast-dark-spell-in-superstitious-india/84459
    Witch hunts cast dark spell in superstitious India

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/3-held-after-black-magic-claims-life-of-16-year-old-girl-in-kerala/story-VmJpV7pnmZateogJx5HX5M.html
    3 held after black magic claims life of 16-year-old girl in Kerala

    There are many in India trying to stop this superstition B.S in India. One of them was Mr Dabholkar, he was proposing a bill to ban superstitions outright.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narendra_Dabholkar

    Guess what, he was shot dead by Hindu fundamentalists. These low IQ Hindu barbarian fundamentalists also killed other rationalists like Kalbargi and Pansare. Other similar rationalists who oppose superstitions are scared for their lives.

    • Replies: @Anon
  215. “The very savvy Trump is letting the Chinese spend to develop 5G. When they have done the heavy lifting, Washington will buy it from them for a song and perhaps some soybeans.”

    There is a lot of truth in jest. Perhaps the reason that Beijing banned agricultural imports from the U.S. is because they want free agricultural goods, including soybeans, paid for by the U.S. government, as part of a trade agreement with the U.S.

    The Mandarinocracy is just as greedy as the Western international usury capitalists. I hope the authentic workers and youth of Hong Kong separate themselves from the co-opted “color revolution” faction, which is sponsored by WARshington, and the uprising spreads around the globe.

    https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/08/16/hong-a16.html

    Excerpt:

    “Right-wing, anti-communist elements within the protest movement have attempted to whip up anti-Chinese chauvinism, blaming mainland Chinese for the social problems in Hong Kong.

    “Significantly, the New York Times this week prominently featured one such group—Hong Kong Indigenous—describing its leader Edward Leung as the “closest thing” that the protest movement has to a “guiding light.” Leung, currently in prison, and his group have incited physical attacks on “mainlanders” who shop in Hong Kong, accusing them of driving up prices.

    “The promotion of Hong Kong Indigenous is clearly aimed at dividing Hong Kong workers and youth from their counterparts throughout the rest of China who confront similar problems. The Chinese Communist Party long ago severed any links to genuine socialism and communism, and today rests on and represents the interests of a thin ultra-rich layer in China, including Hong Kong. The fight for democratic and social rights can only advance through unified struggle of the entire Chinese working class against the CCP regime in Beijing and its puppet administration in Hong Kong.”

    • Replies: @obwandiyag
  216. Malla says:
    @Chinaman

    Chinese may be behind Whites in athletic abilities on average but along with other North East Asians like the Japanese and Koreans are the most athletic among Asians and I mean even the brown Caucasoid Asians in South Asia and Middle East.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_Asian_Games_medal_table

    Country and total medals in the Asian Games till date
    China – 3187 medals
    Japan – 3054 medals
    South Korea – 2,235
    India – 671 medals
    Thailand – 586 medals
    Iran – 557 medals
    Kazakhstan – 557 medals
    Taiwan – 519 medals
    Indonesia – 446 medals
    North Korea – 433 medals
    Philippines – 411 medals

    down we go to the fat rich Arabs. As well as South Asians

    Pakistan – 204 medals
    Qatar – 130 medals
    Kuwait – 90 medals
    Bahrain – 85 medals
    Saudi Arabia – 61 medals
    Iraq – 47 medals
    Sri Lanka – 41 medals
    United Arab Emirates – 41 medals
    Macau – 33 medals
    Syria – 32 medals
    Bangladesh – 12 medals

    Tiny Macau has more medals than Bangladesh with nearly 190 million people!

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  217. Chinaman says:
    @Malla

    I think these results should be adjusted by population size . China is 1/4 of humanity so if it was a random cohort, china should win everything under the sun just due to probability. the fact it doesn’t just prove that there are different average between populations for most attributes.

    I guess what this shows is that Arabs are lazy but Japanese push themselves beyond their genetic limitations. Arabs and indians are demonstrably much stronger than East Asians, much more testosterone too.

    • Replies: @Malla
  218. @neutral

    You are an unbelievable moron. You believe the stupidest things in the world. People like you are the problem with the world. You don’t understand anything about the rich or the blacks or anything else. Idiots like you are so easily manipulated, a retard could steal anything from you.

    You even have no conception of cognitive dissonance.

    First you say the rich are good. Then you say they love the blacks, who you hate. You freaking imbecile.

  219. @Jeff Masters

    There is no “authentic,” bozo. It’s all “color.”

  220. Malla says:
    @Chinaman

    What about the fact that Chinese are number one in patents today with other North East Asians nearby.

    • Replies: @Sick of Orcs
  221. @Dr Giggles

    Last winter, I heard sirens down the street in my little out of the way town, went to investigate, saw some firemen, asked one of them a question about the fire. He just went “huh,” totally clueless. He was obviously Indian. Here in rural US. A local Indian fireman. I couldn’t believe it. They are everywhere. Then a real fireman came up, grabbed the Indian “fireman,” pulled him over next to the truck, and said, “You just stand there. Don’t do anything. Just stand there until we’re done.”

    And Indian fireman way out here. My god. What next.

    • Replies: @Dr Giggles
  222. Malla says:
    @Chinaman

    indians are demonstrably much stronger than East Asians

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/strength/

    Actually Indians came out as the weakest men. Indian men have the same grip strength as White women.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Marcus
  223. @Malla

    We should be stealing those red chinee patents to make cheap American knockoffs.

    • LOL: Malla
  224. Ted W says:

    I taught in two Chinese Universities and some things may surprise you.
    Once you matriculate at a Chinese University, it’s virtually impossible to not graduate. Hong Bao, or bribes to professors is common. So is cheating and plagarism. Students do learn but it is possible to buy your way through. Xi Jinping may be a good Chemist but he may be like Chinese medical doctors who don’t know what they are doing. Look for one who studied in the West if you get sick in China.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  225. Anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
    @Malla

    Punjabis in Canada do lots of abortions of female children.

    • Replies: @Malla
  226. @sb

    How is this good news for us non Asians in Western countries ?

    sb you, and all the previous responders to your comment, missed the /s at the end of Fred’s post.

    Great to see Fred back to his former glory.

  227. Chinaman says:
    @Malla

    Didn’t know about Indian grip strength. Thanks for pointing it out. I guess my experience with the much more well norished Indian diaspora suggested otherwise. They can get quite big.

    I guess patents are confounded by many factor whereas IQ as a theoretical construct is quite fair and measures just one thing . Someday, they will be able to quantify it as the amount of neuronal activity in the brain.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  228. Chinaman says:
    @Ted W

    I guess you can’t say this about Gao Hao or PISA. What is unfortunate is that the cream of the crop goes overseas so there is adverse selection in your observations.

    I have to agree about Cheating or plagiarism in mainland China. It is a cultural thing, if everyone else cheats, then it is irrational for the person not to cheat. This arise from moral degradation under communism and disposition for expediency. Kind of like crazy gun laws arise from slavery in America. What about top universities in Greater China like University of Hong Kong, NUS or HKUST? I believe the academic standards and quality of the students are better than 99% of universities in America. Thus, I think this can be rectified, in time. Whites will disagree, of course.

    At the end, what matter is real world outcomes rather than anecdotal observations or ideological pontificating. I guess this is what Fred is trying to illustrate.

  229. melpol says:

    Asians from Japan and China seem to have the unique talents needed for any dynamic hi-tech economy. European-Americans are still in the race but are losing the competitive edge. There will have to be a change in Demographics for the US to remain a 1st world power. Washington economists are speaking about Balkanization as the most practical solution. No-go zones will spread throughout the American landscape.

  230. Fox says:
    @Брат

    All too true, science has become indeed a self-contained endeavor of mutual backslapping and telling one another how great, productive, creative and exceptionally intelligent, endowed with the gift of leadership they are. All the while with hands on purse strings to convert that avowedly self-proclaimed leadership and deserved privilege into golden realities.

    Just like the ruminants:
    “The cows are outstanding in their field.”

    Productivity, let alone creative work, has been replaced by busywork (production of lots of data), unintelligent data mining and the single-minded drive to be “innovative and creative.
    As far as I know, no new insights worthy of note, nor anything not theoretically expected 100 years ago, is being produced in the temples of knowledge. Dead ends such as string theory, the wasteful blathering about Einsteinian Relativity or suicidal dilettantism with “gene editing” carry the day. All of this is boring, the excitement of science has been snuffed out in the course of “progress” and the construction of its attendant ideological skeleton. It’s an empty promise only pumped up with science fiction narratives and the attempt to stave off its inevitable end by exhaustion of its driving force, of the resources of the earth and of believable promises.
    And to top it all, current ideology is staking out forbidden areas for scientific inquiry.

    I think that bright minds should not waste themselves in computer science either, but it is still more useful than force-inventing new and useless stuff.

  231. Repeat after me: Diversity is our strength. Diversity is our strength. Diversity is our strength.

  232. Marcus says:
    @Malla

    India (and south Asia in general) does really poor at anything other than cricket. I guess poor nutrition/vegetarianism led to modest physiques?

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @annamaria
  233. Patricus says:
    @Chinaman

    It could take a long time for the west to fail and China dominate. The gooks have not been very impressive for 1,000 years. They now have electric trains. Congratulations! Are they capable enough to produce innovations like Krauts and Anglos. Not yet. Let’s see what they’ve got.

    • Replies: @Dr Giggles
  234. Pedro says:
    @Dr Giggles

    Dr Giggles and others with his level of ignorance about China should read
    Joseph Needhams ” Science & Civilisation in China ”
    Perhaps then they may realise that the Chinese have an actual three thousand year history of innovation and not just Europeans few hundred years of innovations mostly stolen from the East during their brief reign blocking out the true history of innovation and invention.
    Just one very common example is related to the invention of printing – still claimed by those most expert of dodgy claimers of inventions – the Germans. Their answer to irrefutable evidence to the contrary is ” Oh well the Chinese only used wooden blocks, we used metal” Unfortunately those masters of metal the Koreans were a few hundred years ahead of the Germans there as well.

    • Replies: @Dr Giggles
  235. @Chinaman

    I am now 99% sure you are a nationalistic Indian masquerading as a Chinese.

    • Replies: @DB Cooper
    , @Chinaman
  236. Chinaman says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    You got me. I am a nationalistic Indian who is distressed at the plight of my fellow brownish comrades who is the only country who dares to stand up to the evil American empire. It took Indian 150 years to remove the yoke of the British Raj and we emphasize with their struggle. As a Indian, I know that if China fail in this struggle, Indian is next…

  237. Malla says:
    @Anon

    We are beyond help, 200 years if laws against this practice by the British East India Company Indian Government followed by the Crown Government of India and then the Indian Republic and it still exists. And even migration to a First World country full of flaming feminists does not change us. We are truly beyond help.

    But anyways things like this does not happen in Indian cities now a days.

  238. Malla says:
    @Chinaman

    We may get big but many studies have shown that we have more body fat and much less lean muscles compared to Europeans and even East Asians like Chinese.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/26885771_Ethnic_Variation_in_Fat_and_Lean_Body_Mass_and_the_Association_with_Insulin_Resistance

    Body fat distribution varies among different ethnic groups, yet less is known regarding differences in lean mass and how this may affect insulin resistance. Our objective was to compare total body fat to lean mass ratio (F:LM) in Aboriginal (Native Americans), Chinese, European, and South Asian individuals with differences in insulin resistance. PARTICIPANTS, DESIGN, AND SETTING: Aboriginal Americans (196), Chinese (222), European (202), and South Asian (208) individuals were recruited across a range of body mass index to participate in this cross-sectional community study. Total body fat, lean mass, and insulin resistance were assessed using homeostasis model assessment (HOMA). After adjustment for confounders and at a given body fat, South Asian men had less lean mass than Aboriginal American [3.42 kg less; 95% confidence interval (CI) = 1.55-5.29], Chinese (3.01 kg less; 95% CI = 1.33-4.70), and European (3.57 kg less; 95% CI = 1.82-5.33) men, whereas South Asian women had less lean mass than Aboriginal American (1.98 kg less; 95% CI = 0.45-3.50), Chinese (2.24 kg less; 95% CI = 0.81-3.68), and European (2.97 kg less; 95% CI = 1.67-4.27) women. In adjusted models, F:LM was higher in South Asian compared with Chinese and European men and higher in South Asian compared with Aboriginal, Chinese, and European women (P < 0.01 for all). Insulin and HOMA were greatest in South Asians after adjustment; however, these differences were no longer apparent when F:LM was considered. South Asians have a phenotype of high fat mass and low lean mass, which may account for greater levels of insulin and HOMA compared with other ethnic groups.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  239. Malla says:
    @Marcus

    They have found it to be genetic and prehistoric. Only 40% of Indians are really vegetarians contrary to popular belief.

  240. annamaria says:
    @Marcus

    Both Srinivasa Ramanujan and Leonardo da Vinci were vegetarians.

  241. Malla says:
    @Chinaman

    Not only that, from that Akarlin link, one North East Asian group, the Mongols have been found to be stronger than even Northern Europeans with Northern Europeans (all of them West to East – Germanic, Balts, Slavs ) in turn stronger than non Mongol East Asians like Chinese, Japanese who are in turn stronger than Latin Med Whites who are in turn stronger than us Indians.

    • Replies: @Malla
  242. @Pedro

    So says you ! It does not matter what blocks they used, what blocking they did and so on. The real inventions happened in the West. Henry Ford brought out the automobile when the Chinese were still riding bullocks. You should also take into consideration that it was the US who equipped China during WW2 enabling them to fight the Japanese with modern weapons rather than swords and bamboo lances and stocks.

    And since you are Hispanic I would like to point out that the Conquistadors were using firearms hundreds of years before such weapons were introduced to China (by the West).

    I could go on and on. I could give a shit about Joseph Needham’s book. These are written for people like you. I look at results !

    Next you are going to tell me that the western walking stick was stolen by Jesuits when they saw the chop stick. How do people like you get into this country ? Oh I forgot, you swim accross the border with Chinese backpacks.

    Perhaps since you are such a Chink lover you should go to China…and take all your hermanos with you. We certainly don’t want you living in a country that stole a bunch of blocks. You would have to give up your welfare, food stamps and subsidized housing but I am sure the gooks would welcome you there.

    Chinga tu madre …Peeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedroooooooooooooo!

    • LOL: Marcus
    • Replies: @annamaria
  243. @Patricus

    Correction. They did invent the chop stick although it took them 1000 years to do so !

  244. Marcus says:
    @Malla

    Do you think northwestern subcontinentals are significantly more impress physically than the others? That was part of the British martial races theory, but I’ve never seen hard evidence.

    • Replies: @Malla
  245. @Jester

    DEAR CHINAMAN

    You live in Hong Kong but want to go back to China ?? Or Japan ??

    1. Hong Kong was a dismal fishing village until the white man ie the British made it into what it is today. Back in the day there was an avalanche of people FLEEING China, that country with 4000 years of civilization, to go to the white man’s creation. As a Chinaman with a “high IQ” what does that tell you ??

    2. What the British accomplished in HK in a few hundred years mainland China could not in 4000 years. As a Chinaman with a “high IQ” what does that tell you ??

    3. Now the folks in Hong Kong are just fed up with the Chinese government. I bet there is nothing they would like better than for HK to be a separate state. And you want to leave HK and go back to China ?As a Chinaman with a “high IQ” what does that tell you about you ??

    4. The Chinese all want to learn English. How many westerners want to speak the Mandarin or Cantonese gibberish. And a language that uses pictures for the alphabet ? We use this teaching method in Junior Kindergarten. “This is an apple. Mary is eating the apple!” “Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall”.

    5. Finally, don;t go to Japan. They don’t want your kind there considering you sub human!

    6. As for the US being a shit hole are you referring to the Chinatown areas in most large US cities ? I have been to Shanghai and there are areas there that are as primitive as the US was 400 years ago.

    7. There are more Chinese students in US universities, there are more refugees coming to the US, there are more of your kind languishing in US hospitals so their litter can attain US citizenship than visa versa. More of you want to STAY here than there are Americans wishing to go to China.

    Why do you people come here ?

    As a Chinaman with a “high IQ” what does all this tell you ??

    I will answer for you because I dont want you to spend all day referring to Confucius to get the answer>

    Here is the answer: Whites are superior ! And you are a dunce !

    • Replies: @Marcus
    , @Malla
    , @Chinaman
    , @Chinaman
  246. @Chinaman

    HE is not Indian. Indians are not ashamed of their race. Check out the number of Chinese who:

    -Dye their hair blond
    -Shave one side of their head and have a long fringe hanging over their eyes
    -Put in blue contacts
    -Want to talk like blacks “wha happun deh bro ? we is bad muddafukkas homies”
    -Listen to rap music
    -Dress like blacks

    Why would any “Intelligent Race ” (the Chinese ) want to emulate an “inferior race” (the whites or more astonishing the blacks)

    I guess we have to anxiously wait for the Chinaman to educate us about the reality of race and IQ !!

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  247. @obwandiyag

    Well Sir, their fireman exam is different to the ones white men have to take. We dont want to discriminate against these immigrants or break any affirmative action laws or proportional hiring rules, regulations or ByLaws.

    Therefore the test for an Indian fireman had to be modified:

    -If you can lift a cigarette to your mouth you are physically fit
    -If you can butt it out in an ashtray you are technically qualified to put out raging fires

    I cannot understand why these tests are not to your satisfaction.

  248. Renoman says:

    Go Fred, you my Hero!

  249. Malla says:
    @Marcus

    Do you think northwestern subcontinentals are significantly more impress physically than the others?

    I think it is true.

    British martial races theory

    Even when the British Indian Government dropped the martial race theory during both the World Wars, the North West still provided the majority of the soldiers. 2.5 million Indians volunteered to fight for their King Emperor during WW2, the largest volunteer army in history.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  250. @Dr Giggles

    You now read like the white nationalists. Are you and chinaman the one and the same?

    Are you guys the new wave of bots?

  251. Marcus says:
    @Dr Giggles

    Chinese are the largest foreign population in Japan now. Also the Chinese students who come to the US generally aren’t their best, more like the failsons of the nouveau riche (same with a lot of other foreign students), US universities are mainly to blame, since they want the tuition. But yeah I agree, it’s pathetic to fondle their egos when they’re still flooding into the West. What else can you expect from Fred though?

    • Replies: @Malla
  252. Marcus says:
    @Malla

    India also provided massive quantities of coal, textiles, and iron ore. I think India was the eighth largest world economy at that point. The British war effort would’ve certainly been doomed without them

    • Replies: @Malla
  253. Malla says:
    @Dr Giggles

    What the British accomplished in HK in a few hundred years mainland China could not in 4000 years.

    Now now the Anglos were probably the best Empire builders the world has ever known. But if Hong Kong were filled with a mix motley of Arabs, Indians and blacks, instead of the Chinese, the Brits would not have got anything better than a Jamaica, however hard they tried. What does that tell you about IQ?

    • Replies: @Marcus
  254. Malla says:
    @Marcus

    Very true. We made a lot of money out of that misery. A cool GBP 1 billion paid to British India by bankrupt Britain for all our trouble.

  255. annamaria says:
    @Dr Giggles

    “I would like to point out that the Conquistadors were using firearms hundreds of years before such weapons were introduced to China (by the West).”
    — This is what happens to kids’ when they are subjected to the American system of education.

    Wikipedia for “Giggles:” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_gunpowder

    Gunpowder is the first physical explosive. Before its discovery, many incendiary and burning devices had been used, including Greek fire. The discovery of gunpowder is attributed to experimentation in Chinese alchemy by Taoists in the pursuit of immortality, and is popularly listed as one of the “Four Great Inventions” of China. It was discovered during the late Tang dynasty (9th century) but the earliest record of a written formula appeared in the Song dynasty (11th century). It was employed in warfare to some effect from at least the 10th century in weapons such as fire arrows, bombs, and the fire lance before the appearance of the gun. Knowledge of gunpowder spread rapidly throughout the Old World possibly as a result of the Mongol conquests during the 13th century…While the fire lance was eventually supplanted by the gun, other gunpowder weapons such as rockets and fire arrows continued to see use in China, Korea, India, and eventually Europe.

  256. Marcus says:
    @Malla

    What do you predict for areas that are becoming more South Asian than northeast Asian? Malaysia, Singapore, etc. Even in South Korea there’s a growing population https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/pak-supporters-in-seoul-confronted-by-shazia-ilmi-others-for-raising-anti-india-anti-modi-slogans/

    • Replies: @Malla
  257. Chinaman says:
    @Dr Giggles

    I was already getting bored but finally, one of you guy took the bait.

    I caught a big white supremacist today !

    Your emotionally charged prose and line of questioning betrayed your 2 digit IQ and your ignorance on history. You are the American on TV who can’t find America on the map or believe that America is a democracy when the constitution never mentioned it once.. It was definitely one of those rare catch.

    I think most of your white compatriots are quite embarrassed by your questions but I will love to see how the more informed amongst you twist the facts to defend his stupidity, simply out of racial solidarity.

    Thank you, You really made my day, I have never heard anyone say “whites are superior!” in this day and age. It must have felt very good to say that. I am sick of the hypocrisy and BS too.

    Come on, I think I deserve some credit for bringing it out of you.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
  258. Malla says:
    @Marcus

    They are all gonna screw up. Give it time.
    The best South Asians can achieve is Mauritius which is not bad but it is no Singapore either. But hey Mauritius is 40% black so that must drag things down a bit, we have to keep that in mind. But again do not forget, sugarcane producing Mauritius is also a major financial haven where most of the black money of Indian slimeballs re-enters the Indian economy via the “Mauritius route”. Without this financial merry go around laundering industry, Mauritius would be just sugarcane fields and beaches.

  259. Chinaman says:
    @Dr Giggles

    Levity aside, to answer your questions , The anecdotal observations and the objective development gap between the Chinese and western civilisation, which you alluded to, have been the subject of many books. It is actually my research interest too. I started my journey to an answer these questions ( not the exact ones you ask) reading Jared Diamond, then great divergence and then why the west rule for now. Each of the books presents, a facet of the diamond which leave the reader unsatisfied and grasping for more.

    At the end, it was Richard Lynn’s research on the international IQ gap which shed most light on these questions and have the highest statistical explanatory power. A correlation of 0.4- 0.6 between GDP ( under PPP) and IQ is incredible given how many confounding factors there is. That explain the real world outcome we see today.

    To trace further back, the answer you are looking for may lie in the a single event that happen 1000 years ago , that is, the mongols invasion of China during the Song Dynasty . The song was 80% of the world GDP at that time. Europe and your ancestors have reverted to barbarism at that point. In the next 70 years, 50 million people died and the Song, along with glorious Chinese civilisation was destroyed, what you see now is a cheap replica inspired by the same Confucius ideals. The Japanese didn’t get invaded by mongol because of its geography and two “kamikaze”. I guess you can use it as a control and for comparison. The Japanese have done a lot for a small country. China was set back at least 500 years by the mongol.

    Hope this will inspire you and others to read more and will be able to defend your claims when you conclude “white is superior!” on a public forum and expose your ignorance.

    The reality is a bit more nuanced than that.

    • Replies: @Malla
  260. Malla says:
    @Malla

    Woaw, NOW I understand why the Chinese built that huge wall. All those strong palms pulling bowstrings. Had to build a very high wall.

  261. Malla says:
    @Marcus

    Chinese are the largest foreign population in Japan now.

    If I am not mistaken, a lot of rich Chinese are buying property in Japan. I though Japan was quite restrictive for these kind of things unlike the West. Rich PRC Chinese are parking their ill gotten gains in Western cities from Vancouver to Sydney to Auckland pushing land prices up and making it hard for the locals. Indian rich slimeball elites are doing the same, London, Singapore and Dubai. And the new kids on the block in Dubai are Rich Nigerians!!! Rich Nigerians are taking their loot out and buying Dubai real estate.
    That is the thing to do right now. Loot out your country and park your money abroad. All the really smart people are doing this.

    • Replies: @Chinaman
    , @Marcus
  262. Chinaman says:
    @Chinaman

    As to IQ, perhaps you should ask why many Chinese can write better English than you or could verbally spar with you in your mother tongue while you and most whites will never be able to learn Chinese, no matter how hard you try.

    Most of us ( not all) needs to learn and remember 3000-5000 Chinese characters which you are not genetically equipped to handle. The full repertoire is 50,000 character. It is the hardest language to learn.Being intellectually challenged is not your fault, of course.

    • Replies: @Clyde
  263. RSDB says:
    @Malla

    LTTE was pretty secular. Some of their most famous cadres were Catholic (example: Seelan, real name Charles Anthony) but the organization as a whole was not.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  264. Chinaman says:
    @Malla

    I think you are painting a broad stroke with the “Ill gotten gain” narrative.

    My wife have 2 apartments near Ginza and she have businesses there and hire Japanese.

    Japan’s largest trading partner is China so it is natural that some Chinese have a lot of offshore yen.

    Buying land and property is a Chinese genetic disposition.

    • Replies: @Malla
    , @Malla
  265. Marcus says:
    @Malla

    Yeah I would’ve expected Singapore and Japan to have too much of a Jante Law type mindset to allow that kind of thing.

  266. Marcus says:
    @RSDB

    What I’ve heard from Hindu nationalists is that they didn’t have much support from the Hindu Tamil population, and openly attacked Muslim Tamils; hence, viewed as a Christian/Western plot in secular/left wing nationalist disguise. See for example: https://haindavakeralam.com/ltte-a-failed-christian-hk11857

    • Replies: @RSDB
  267. RSDB says:
    @Marcus

    Muslim “Tamils” were attacked because on the whole they are to some extent ethnically distinct from Christian and Hindu Tamils and supported the government; some Muslims were organized into “Home Guard” units which were on the government side. See https://www.jstor.org/stable/25742041?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents . The LTTE never had 100% support from members of any religious community, but from all I’ve heard they were fairly popular in the areas they governed most of the time.

    What I’ve heard from Hindu nationalists

    is whatever they want to believe at the moment. The LTTE was very much against the caste system, which may be influencing the people you talked to. Hindus in Tamil Nadu like Prabhakaran a lot: https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/statue-resembling-prabakaran-in-temple-near-velankanni/article7288019.ece

  268. Malla says:
    @Chinaman

    I think you are painting a broad stroke with the “Ill gotten gain” narrative.

    Yes the stroke was too broad.
    I mean the big fishes. Not honest, hard working people like you (and your wife).

  269. Malla says:
    @Chinaman

    My wife have 2 apartments near Ginza

    Wait, isn’t Tokyo very expensive for an average Chinese person to buy property in? But you are from HK which is very expensive too, so yeah.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  270. Marcus says:
    @Malla

    Wasn’t Hong Kong essentially “built” in the financial sense by Babylonian and Indian Jews?

    • Replies: @Malla
  271. Malla says:
    @Chinaman

    The song was 80% of the world GDP at that time.

    That sounds a bit high. Most likely 30-35%. I mean there is India, Persia, Baghdad to claim their pie piece.
    And Europe was not complete barbarism. They were building some huge cathedrals. You need capital and labour force to build that.

    • Replies: @Marcus
  272. Malla says:
    @Marcus

    Yes, HK had a lot to do with Opium Money. And yes Baghdadi Jews, especially the Sassoons. The Sassoons ran away from Baghdad because some Ottoman official was pissed with them or something and came to British Indian city of Bombay. They were the big fish in this trade. There are docks and hospitals still named after this nefarious family for example the Sassoon docks in Mumbai/Bombay. They eventually married with the Rothschilds tho the Rothies are Ashkenazi and the Sassoons are Sephardics.
    And behind the Sassoons were many big Indian business houses such as the TATAs (they are a big conglomerate but a famous for their Auto company named TATA too ) . Mostly Parses were involved but also Hindu/Muslim and Jain Marwari/Gujrati/Sindhi traders were involved in the opium trade. And many powerful American families, for example the Delano side of President FDR’s family made a fortune by transporting the opium. Even Yale University was deeply involved in this trade. And Yale reminds us of Skull and Bones. And add to that some of our “independence struggle heros against British rule”, their families were involved. For example Rabindranath Tagore, the first Asian and non White to win the Nobel Prize (for literature), his dad or granddad was into this, a company called ‘Tagore and Carr’ company of Calcutta was involved in this opium trade too. After all the Opium was grown in British India. Rabindranath Tagore wrote the national anthems of both India and Bangladesh.

  273. Marcus says:
    @Malla

    For all their barbarism, the Vikings were trade magnates themselves. Constantinople was maybe the most important entrepot of trade in the world, plus Venice and other Italian cities were growing in importance. There’s nothing that could remotely be considered a predecessor state of India, and China was divided as well, but sure if you want to lump the two into their modern shapes they would have a huge share of global GDP, but this is a dishonest tactic of the third worldists, since it’s all guesstimations and per capita gdp would probably be an entirely different story

  274. Clyde says:
    @Chinaman

    Good and informing post. So how many Chinese characters have you memorized? My guess is 15,000. My opinion is that stupid people are bad at memorization. Same for drugged out people and the US is unfortunately more drugged out every year due to marijuana legalization. There is no marijuana legalization in mainland China. Though I hear meth is a problem in Japan and Korea. Philippines too. Meth produced in North Korea.

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