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What is it that puzzles New York about Trump’s enormous appeal? . He does what so many of us desperately want. He takes no guff from the loathsome talking heads who have never baited a hook or worried about a mortgage payment or been bankrupted by the confluence of Wall Street and Pennsylvania Avenue. He doesn’t whimper and wriggle and apologize like a puppy who has wet the rug after saying something that upsets the priss spigots. He says, perhaps in different words, what so many want to say. “Stick it where the sun don’t shine.”

It’s wonderful. The Beltway bastards just don’t know what to do about it. They try all the political-correctness sure-fires—“You are racist! Sexist! Insensitive! Islamophobic!”–and he doesn’t respond correctly. No. He says, “Up yours, Potato Chip. I made ten billion dollars. What have you ever done?”

It’s love at first sight. So many people are sick of disintegrating bottle-blonde wreckage and proliferating vegetation—we have enough Bushes for a goddam arboretum—and all the inbred scum of a dying country.

But.

How much of what he says is true, and what could he as President actually deliver? He chiefly wants to deport illegal aliens. Fine–but can he? Does he really plan to?

I note that he is carefully, and dishonestly, putting the immigrational blame on those who came instead of on the Americans who bade them come, wanted them to come, and want them to keep coming.

Trump says that the Chinese and Mexicans are our enemies because they are “taking American jobs.” I wonder exactly how the Chinese take American jobs. Do they land in division strength in North Carolina and occupy factories? Or do American businessmen (Trump is an American businessman) send American factories to China, knowing that it will devastate the American economy? Does a Mexican take an American’s job by putting a pistol to his head and saying, “Geeve me the shoffel or I weel blow your brines out”? Or do American businessmen (Trump is an American businessman) hire illegals, and encourage them to come, knowing perfectly well that they are illegal?

I will believe that Trump is serious about deporting illegals when he proposes to slap on employers a fine of $500 per day, per illegal, half to go anonymously to the informant if any, this to go into effect after a month’s grace period. It presumably could be packaged as enforcement of existing law, and therefore not require congressional approval. It would place the burden of verification squarely where it belongs, on the American businessmen who know well that they are hiring illegals.

The trouble with this approach is that it would work. Immediately. Slaughterhouses, farms, orchards, and construction firms would go tits-up. American businessmen (have I mentioned that Trump is an American businessman?) would suffer the consequences of doing what they knew they were doing. But of course American consumers would also suffer the consequences. So it won’t happen.

An explicit question that needs an explicit answer: Who is going to replace the illegals? Answer: No one. A guest-worker program would do the trick but the workers would still be Hispanics. No?

Blacks are not going to do the scut-work. They could have had the jobs long ago if they had wanted them. But welfare and leisure in Detroit appeal more than backbreaking labor under a hot sun in a tobacco field. Few whites will even consider standing ankle-deep in blood in an abattoir. Which leaves….

I think we will see Donald duck the question.

Trump is also says that “Mexico” is “sending” its criminals north, and that Hispanics are raping and robbing and killing great swaths across America. In this he is supported by much dreary howling from Ann Coulter, the Manhattan Wind Tunnel.

But is it so? How exactly does “Mexico” “send” its criminals to the US? Offer free bus tickets to the border to anyone who can prove he is a criminal? Package them for shipment by UPS? Mexico isn’t sending them. They are going where the pickings are good. America’s insatiable appetite for drugs provides very good pickings.

The claim that Hispanics in general are causing a wave of crime is shaky though politically saleable. Mexicans are certainly neck-deep in the drug trade, satisfying American demand extending from cocaine on Capitol Hill to a little of everything for high-school and university students to marijuhweenie for middle-class folk who like to toke-up to scag for derelicts nodding off on street corners. But otherwise?

On Jared Taylor’s American Renaissance site I find figures from DOJ showing that Hispanics are all of 26% more likely than whites to commit violent crime. Hardly a crime wave. Since Jared is strongly against massive immigration (as am I) he is unlikely to be cooking the figures in favor of Hispanics. (For the intellectually adult, Ron Unz, long but well worth reading.)

Oddly, Trump does not mention crime by blacks, which genuinely is a disaster. Why? You don’t suppose this is electioneering…?

Nah.

Odd, though, since (I will bet that) his partisans are also sick of black crime, burning cities, trashed malls, the Knockout Game, as well as political correctness, compulsory concern for sexual freaks, federal meddling, the drugging of little boys, and so on. I am one of them.

It is also amusing that those against immigration growl about Hispanics’ being on welfare. This, like the whole problem of immigration, is self-inflicted. If you don’t want people to go on welfare, don’t offer them welfare. How hard is this? We would all freeload if we could. If the government offered you a grand a month, legally, for free, would you take it? I would. It seems a bit wrong-headed to offer Hispanics free stuff and then growl when they accept.

ORDER IT NOW

Ah, but here we come to the matter of hidden agendas. American businessmen oppose amnesty because they want the illegals to remain illegal so they can’t organize and demand better pay. But the same businessmen do not want them deported. And of course welfare for immigrants is a subsidy to American businessmen: If the government pays Pedro half of a living wage, then Wal-Mart has to pay him only the other half.

Many, methinks, of Trumps proposals make more electoral than practical sense. A fence along the frontier? It would require congressional approval, many years, and probably would not work. A twelve-foot fence requires a thirteen-foot ladder. It is rousing good fun to talk about the Israelis and they have a fence and it works. But they have a short fence and they are willing to shoot to kill anyone crossing it.

Cutting off federal funds to “sanctuary” cities, proposed by Trump, presumably would require approval from Congress, where it woud be blocked by Democrats, American businessmen, mayors of “sanctuary” cities, the talking heads, and related trash. California, with more Hispanics than whites, a state in which police are currently forbidden to check immigration status, would be unlikely to cooperate. Then what? Send federal troops to occupy California?

It is so very simple: If you hire them, they will come. If you don’t, they won’t. The problem in seven words, the solution in five.

So maybe Trump ain’t perfect. Presidency-wise, though, the choices are two: Trump, or more of the same. The same nauseating, corrupt inside-the-beltway pols, bought and paid for by corporate interests, mendacious, contemptuous of the rest of America, politically correct, guaranteed to preside over the continuing deterioration.

Maybe I have overestimated the number of choices.

(Republished from Fred on Everything by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Fred. You like Mexicans. We get it.

    Trump intends to make e verify mandatory nationwide in order to combat businesses hiring illegals.

    He also would increase ICE officers, and would hopefully allow them to use force against those who are infiltrating.

    • Replies: @Clyde
    , @aeolius
  2. Sunbeam says:

    “It is rousing good fun to talk about the Israelis and they have a fence and it works. [b]But they have a short fence and they are willing to shoot to kill anyone crossing it.[/b]”

    If you want to call me an armchair warrior you can, all you want.

    But picture two different worlds. One where you build a fence and enforce it as the Israelis do theirs.

    And one where we do not build a fence, or do not shoot those who cross (really they are the same thing).

    So.

    You might be right in what could be done given the political situation in this country. But tell me what do you think is the likely future of both of those worlds?

    • Agree: Ace
  3. Rich says:

    I get tired of repeating myself, but I’m going to keep doing it until everyone stops lying. When I was a kid in the 1970′s, adult White Americans supported families, bought houses and sent their kids to college, working as deli clerks, landscapers and cooks. Every construction site was manned by pale men with Budweiser cans and hardhats. It is an outright lie that Americans won’t do these jobs.
    As for building the wall, I believe the “Secure Fence Act of 2006″ is adequate legislation for Mr Trump to act on. The fence that Israel built seems to be doing a pretty good job keeping the Palestinians out so I wouldn’t worry about that part.
    The Chinese take our jobs because the American tax code encourages companies to move their manufacturing overseas, simple tariffs will solve that problem.
    Mr. Trump would not need Congressional approval to cut off funding to cities or states that refuse to obey Federal law as evidenced by the recent jailing of of Kim Davis for refusing to follow a law invented by the Supreme Court. Throw a couple of big city mayors in prison and see how fast they start obeying the law.

    • Agree: Travis
  4. Blobby5 says:

    Whites won’t do the jobs because wages have been driven down so far through mass immigration.

    • Replies: @Dwright
    , @Ace
  5. Dwright says:
    @Blobby5

    Exactly so, why does this need to be reiterated constantly.

  6. Sean c says:

    The cost of this cheap labor is actually very expensive. Not only welfare but school taxes for illegal children. The cost of education is about 10k a year per child and a lot more for non english speakers. Plus they get free lunch, free medical ect. Now these families often have 4 or more children. Does it make economic sense for tax payers to pay 500000 dollars over 12 years in education alone so a farmer can pay below minimium wage for a fruit picker?

  7. Fred nailed it. The fraction of one percent of America that supports this or similar websites does not make a majority. Most Americans are not willing to kill, or support the killing and terror necessary to suppress demand for the jobs whose supply is apparent and freely advertised. Most Americans like Mexicans and other Latins, at least if not braced with immediate, large numbers. So guys like Trump can rouse an emotional response in the short term using refutable statistics. But in the mid-term, political support for abstract conceptions like resisting race replacement, and mitigating the (white) inability to compete in low margin, competitive, high population density environments, is not sustainable. If this corresponds to his analysis, I agree.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @rod1963
  8. Mulegino1 says:
    @Sean c

    You make an excellent point. Cheap labor in the U.S. equates to the privatization of profit and the socialization of risk; cheap labor is subsidized by degrading the living standards of the European Christian descended middle class. This is, of course, in the interests of the “1 percent”, composed mostly of the usual suspects and their shabbos goys.

  9. Ron Unz says:
    @Neil Templeton

    Fred nailed it. The fraction of one percent of America that supports this or similar websites does not make a majority…So guys like Trump can rouse an emotional response in the short term using refutable statistics. But in the mid-term, political support for abstract conceptions like resisting race replacement, and mitigating the (white) inability to compete in low margin, competitive, high population density environments, is not sustainable.

    Actually, I think I came up with a pretty effective political+policy solution to much of the immigration problem a few years back, and it really seems to be moving forward rather nicely, though that clueless Trump fellow certainly isn’t on board…

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/im-not-making-this-up-2/#comment-957741

  10. If one will only abandon all hope in the dying paradigm that is the American Empire, formerly, in days of yore, a constitutional and voluntary union, then Trump is a godsend! No, his election, nor any other candidate’s, will make a lick of difference to the ultimate meltdown that’s happening, but it might just shake the incipiently – and genuinely – conservative among us to wake up and realize that the GOP is an enemy, every bit as much as the at least more honest DNC.

    It’s all a matter of adjusting one’s expectations!

  11. I’m a white guy. I have worked the apple harvest shoulder to shoulder with the Mexicans. And I have worked in a packing house. Just because you don’t have what it takes to do manual labor don’t project your pussy ways on every black and white American.

    Declare a moratorium on immigration. Repeal Taft-Hartley. Naturalize the people who are here now. Watch the American working class organize and replace welfare with wages. Hard work is not the problem. Starvation wages is the problem.

    • Replies: @MTT
  12. Gene Su says:

    Trump is primarily a businessman and an advertiser, not a statesman. He would be a far better president than the other candidates (especially the career politician). However, he isn’t always honest and ethical and that’s where I have some reservations. Mr. Reed’s essay about how he twists the issues of minorities and immigration highlights this.

  13. Jason Bayz says: • Website

    The trouble with this approach is that it would work. Immediately. Slaughterhouses, farms, orchards, and construction firms would go tits-up. American businessmen (have I mentioned that Trump is an American businessman?) would suffer the consequences of doing what they knew they were doing. But of course American consumers would also suffer the consequences. So it won’t happen.

    Well, would that be so bad? America isn’t Japan, it produces more than enough food to feed all of it’s citizens. We were fine with the factories, which employed Whites and paid high wages, going to China, why can’t we be fine with the farms, which employ illegals and pay crappy wages, going somewhere else as well?

    But for the things that can’t be outsourced, how about bringing back the convict-labor system? It would deter crime, and it could also deter illegals who could be put to work for a while before being deported.

    • Replies: @unpc downunder
    , @Truth
  14. Sam Shama says:
    @Rich

    Its fine to indulge in the nostalgia of days long past when “pale men with a Budwieser can” would do the job that the Mexicans are doing today.

    Except, Fred is exactly right. How many of the commenters here would be willing to pay (and indeed can afford) a 50% increase in the price of all agricultural produce, road tolls, taxes to fund higher public utility costs, home construction costs and basically every aspect of American life?

  15. @Ron Unz

    Interesting argument, but I fail to see how the wage can be propped up for all Americans if the supply of labor is unrestricted. Punitive measures may ensure higher wages for the most employable, but this will exclude a significant portion of the current population. Hence, underemployment in the ghetto, and rural / urban Appalachia will remain.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  16. MTT says:
    @WorkingClass

    Whatever Fred may be, I’m pretty sure he’s not a pussy.

  17. Ron Unz says:
    @Neil Templeton

    Well, I won’t say my proposal solves all of America’s numerous economic or labor market problems, but I do think it’s one of the few actually workable immigration strategies that is also politically viable.

    Here’s a link to the (very long) article in which I introduced it a few years ago, and analyzed in detail many of reasons why it might succeed while so many other approaches have failed:

    http://www.unz.com/article/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/

    And here’s a follow-up article I wrote the next year for The New America Foundation:

    http://www.unz.com/article/raising-american-wages-by-raising-american-wages/

  18. Sam Shama says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron,
    I just read you analyses on this matter and what you say is certainly possible. However it needs to be accompanied by strict supply of labour (incoming immigration) restriction.While as you point out this will lead to a lowering of return to capital (corporate profits), something which is entirely acceptable, since profits are relatively strong, and has been so for at least four decades, the policy will likely fail without very strict enforcement, as the excess pool of labour will affect employment unevenly across geographies. It will also lead to medium term economic frictions since a very large part of the legal population will have to go through retraining and relocation. I definitely agree that Trump should educate himself on this scheme, otherwise he stands to look like an empty blowhard fairly soon.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  19. asdf says:
    @Sam Shama

    “How many of the commenters here would be willing to pay (and indeed can afford) a 50% increase in the price of all agricultural produce, road tolls, taxes to fund higher public utility costs, home construction costs and basically every aspect of American life?”

    How many people are, unwillingly being forced into a labor market that makes them compete with the 3rd world. While stupidly assuming they were still in the US.

    No one ever voted for this open borders regime. They’ve just been told it’s inevitable and hey, some people get cheap landscaping. Don’t whine.

    Cheap oranges are not the whole of economic reality.

  20. Israel’s “short” wall is 430 miles long and is growing rapidly to keep out Syrian and Iraqi refugees. They insist it is a “barrier”, but it is a HIGH solid concrete wall that no Mexican with a ladder can scale. Look at the photos: https://www.google.com/search?q=israel+wall&biw=1093&bih=482&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAWoVChMI4PqdpvCTyAIVCZmACh17Ogpv

    But we don’t need a wall, or even a fence, just a willingness to put some of our 500,000 active duty soldiers back on the border to turn away invaders. The Border Patrol didn’t exist until 1924. It was the US Army’s primary mission to provide real “national defense” along the Mexican border until WW II, and the resulting empire. One topic Trump addressed is the billions of dollars we waste each year “protecting” South Korea from North Korea, even though the South is five times more powerful. Trump says that’s an example of our foolishness.

    http://www.g2mil.com/casey.htm

    Trump says we should move those 28,000 soldiers and billions spent on the bogus Korean threat to the US border. That has upset wealthy con men who profited off the “North Korean threat” for decades. One day we will have another “Pancho Villa” event where an angry drug lord sends a hundred gunmen across to shoot up some gringos.

    If Trump simply orders some 10,000 US Army soldiers to return to border duty to actually defend the USA, things will improve quickly. This is not complex, as I explain here: http://www.g2mil.com/border.htm

  21. Beach says:
    @Sam Shama

    Except, Fred is exactly right. How many of the commenters here would be willing to pay (and indeed can afford) a 50% increase in the price of all agricultural produce, road tolls, taxes to fund higher public utility costs, home construction costs and basically every aspect of American life?

    Oh, please. A combination of a return of decent wages plus the savings associated with NOT having to pay to educate and medicate half of Mexico and Central America would more than cover any increase in costs, which would not be anything approaching 50%.

    • Replies: @Anon7
  22. Leftist conservative [AKA "radical_centrist"] says: • Website

    trump is valuable just because of what he says.

    Even if he could not implement his plans, he would be a boon because of what he says.

    Trump says things that open up the public dialogue.

  23. Clyde says:
    @BurplesonAFB

    Fred married into it so no surprise that he’s Fred’s gone native!!

  24. Leftist conservative [AKA "radical_centrist"] says: • Website

    Fee Fi Fo Fum…
    I smell the writing of a mexi-cun

  25. @Jason Bayz

    “The trouble with this approach is that it would work. Immediately. Slaughterhouses, farms, orchards, and construction firms would go tits-up.”

    Well having lived in countries where the minimum wage is widely enforced, I can tell you that the only jobs natives won’t do are some seasonal agricultural jobs in areas where the local population is limited (ie, they won’t do them because they aren’t there to do them). Most western countries have few problems finding adequate number of construction labourers and well run high tech slaughterhouses don’t usually have problems finding native workers. I’ve never heard of slaughterhouses in New Zealand struggling to find local labour.

    Where there aren’t enough locals at the right time of year you could follow the Australian example and get foreign backpackers on tourist visas to do some of these jobs (pay minimum wages and second-tier first world backpackers from countries like Hungary are usually keen to prune grape vines, pick apples etc).

    Finally it isn’t necessarily a bad thing if some low profit businesses go under. If a business genuinely can’t afford to pay minimum wage then that business probably should be outsourced.

  26. @Sam Shama

    How many of the commenters here would be willing to pay (and indeed can afford) a 50% increase in the price of all agricultural produce, road tolls, taxes to fund higher public utility costs, home construction costs and basically every aspect of American life?

    Except it would not take a 50% increase in the price of agricultural produce to double the wages paid to the farm workers. As a whole, farmers only get 15.8% of the retail food dollar. That is the farmer, not his hired hand. You could double the wages paid to the hired hands and not increase retail prices by more than 10%

    There aren’t many immigrants working in the public utilities or the coal mines, that I have seen.

    Home Construction costs? Whites can and will do the work. I had a house built last year, only one “immigrant” on the job site the whole year. The skilled trades were all whites. Most of the labor was white, except for the brick layer who had blacks carrying hods. The brick layer was the only contractor with a Mexican on site. He had some semi retarded Mexican cleaning up the trash and debris from the work. Even the landscaping crew was all white.

    Road tolls? Every road crew I have ever seen has been white, with a few blacks thrown in randomly.

    California might take a hit, but they have made their own bed, let them sleep in it.

    • Replies: @turtle
  27. guest says:

    Whenever I raise this, I’m accused of being a “troll” for Jeb Bush, a “leftist,” etc. So have at me if you’re upset with anyone doubting the latest “conservative” savior from Big Govt.

    But as The Establishment and MSM take their swings, does anyone else around here suspect that Mr. Clinton’s golf buddy may be a piñata with Hillary inside? Even if not, Mr. Reed’s skepticism seems appropriate.

    • Replies: @Ace
  28. The perfect is the enemy of the good. Trunp’s currently the best banana in a rotten bunch.

    • Replies: @Ace
  29. Rurik says:

    Fred is right

    you can’t blame the Mexicans for coming here when they’re offered, not just jobs but freebies too !

    why wouldn’t they come here?

    So just enforcing e-verify won’t be enough. The US would also have to shut off the spigot of free slop flowing in the trough. And for that it would require the will to do so. That is what Trump’s campaign represents; the will of the American people to say ‘enough’!
    Enough of the American people have seen their neighborhoods transformed into places they don’t recognize, have read the crime statistics or know of a friend or family member who’s been effected by it. These are guys arrested for sex crimes against children in N. Carolina in one month

    While the numbers will prove rather shocking to most, anyone who has been paying attention to the epidemic of child rapes occurring in that state at the hands of illegal aliens, will not be surprised, as there have been 3,700 such charges filed in North Caolina over the last 12 months.
    Read more at http://universalfreepress.com/illegal-aliens-commit-nearly-400-child-sexual-assaults-in-north-carolina-during-october/

    http://universalfreepress.com/illegal-aliens-commit-nearly-400-child-sexual-assaults-in-north-carolina-during-october/#

    what Trump speaks to is the burgeoning will of the American people to say they(we’ve) had enough of it all. Elite agenda or no elite agenda.

    And Fred’s also right about the drug problem. Mexico suffers too from the cartels. Average Mexicans are terrorized by the cartels and reporters and honest cops are executed and often tortured first. And the tragedy is that it’s all avoidable by simply doing what some states have already done, and legalize the stupid stuff and end the cartels in their tracks. But the American will to do so is hampered by the corruption. The DEA and law enforcement has their faces in the tax-payer trough, slurping the lucre up with vigor. The big pharmaceutical companies don’t want people smoking pot when they should be buying pill$ to give them their relief.

    Many problems can be solved with common sense solutions. If you want the Mexicans to stop coming, stop paying them to come.

    • Replies: @map
    , @Ace
  30. Economics schmeconomics. I want to see Mexicans rounded up and shipped out because my state is turning into a foreign country, the price of strawberries is pretty damned inconsequential.

    Fred blames the state of things on the American people, and Fred can kiss my white ass.

    • Agree: Harold, Ace
    • Replies: @rod1963
  31. Odysseus says: • Website

    The work only begins with handling illegal immigration. Then a great many American citizens will have to turn off Honey boo boo, put down the Xbox controller and head out to do some honest labor or study for a profession rather than take welfare and sit around drinking cheap beer and smoking legal weed. Good luck with that.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  32. @Sam Shama

    Except, Fred is exactly right. How many of the commenters here would be willing to pay (and indeed can afford) a 50% increase in the price of all agricultural produce, road tolls, taxes to fund higher public utility costs, home construction costs and basically every aspect of American life?

    That’s assuming that wages do not rise along with prices. But why should we assume that?
    I mean, Switzerland has prices that are frankly insane. We are talking $20 hamburgers. Yet Switzerland is easily one of the “best” countries in the world.
    High prices can go along with high wages.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @Bill Jones
  33. @Odysseus

    They did it before, they will do it again. By hook or by crook, it will happen.

    Once a demographic tipping point is reached, latinos will not pay taxes to fund welfare or retirement for whites and blacks, and the US as we knew it will cease to exist. Poor and elderly Americans who don’t have families will work or starve.

    • Agree: International Jew
    • Replies: @International Jew
  34. Sam Shama says:
    @jimbojones

    The excess pool of labour, or the slack in the economy is very significant, underemployment by some measures as high as 20%. Its really quite difficult to see a commensurate rise in wages to compensate for price level increases. Furthermore for this to be non-inflationary, the cost of capital needs to fall (which is achievable).

  35. unit472 says:

    One reason ‘Americans’ don’t do the jobs ‘illegals’ do is that they never hear about them. Those ‘slaughterhouses’ Fred talks about turn out to be ‘closed shops’. The Feds used to raid them periodically and find almost nobody was legally entitled to work in the US. The owner never had to advertise job openings or pre-employment interviews because his illegal workforce did all that for him. If there was a opening, mirabile dictu, a new worker would be provided by the existing labor force. The unemployed American living a few miles away would never know there was a job opening at the plant because someone’s brother in law in Guatemala had already been recruited to fill the opening!

    Of course by the time foreigners have taken over the jobs at a plant or industry US workers face a language barrier in their own goddamned country! They don’t let people fly airplanes if they can’t speak English so one might think OSHA could require the same to work in a plant or use equipment and chemicals that have MSDS or other safety information written in English. Monkey see, Monkey do only goes so far.

    • Replies: @Travis
  36. @Ron Unz

    Your high-minimum-wage idea would work if everyone obeyed the law. But given that it’s already illegal to employ foreigners who don’t have the proper paperwork, how likely is it that *your* law will be obeyed?

    It seems to me that the main effect, of a $15/hr minimum wage, will be to drive American teenagers out of the labor market, once and for all.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  37. @The Anti-Gnostic

    Exactly. The Germans will discover that.

  38. Biff says:

    The bought and paid for congress will be keeping Trump’s ideas in check.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
  39. I live in Switzerland (I am British). There is very little illegal immigration here.

    When Americans first visit, they are appalled by the prices. A kilogram of chicken is 15 Francs a KILO (make it 1:1 in Dollars – though more like 16 Dollars a Kilo). HOWEVER, Americans are also stunned that the GDP per capita is 90,000 Dollars per head and taxes are amazingly low compared to any first world country (on an income of around 500K a year, the tax rates are ridiculously low compared to the US or anywhere in the EU). AND, unemployment (with the world’s highest wages) is lower than 3 per cent.

    How is this possible? The Swiss do have immigration – 40 per cent of the resident in Switzerland are legal immigrants (mostly from the rest of Europe). But there is no “automatic” route to Swiss citizenship. Illegal immigration, as is the case in the US and now the rest of the EU, does exist, but it is extremely limited. There is no army of native Swiss living on welfare.

    America can have this too. But too many vested interests would try to block it. America used to be a bit like this some generations ago.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
  40. pyrrhus says:
    @Biff

    The magic words–”executive orders”, haha

    • Replies: @Biff
  41. rod1963 says:
    @Neil Templeton

    You’re not a American are you.

    Most Americans are not willing to kill, or support the killing and terror necessary to suppress demand for the jobs whose supply is apparent and freely advertised

    What are you babbling on about. No one is talking about that except insane Leftists snd Neoliberal scum who want to keep the borders wide open. All Trump and Sessions want is a wall and enforcement of laws on the books.

    Get your facts straight.

    So guys like Trump can rouse an emotional response in the short term using refutable statistics

    So please refute them. All guys like Unz and Zuckerberg can do is insult him.

    in the mid-term, political support for abstract conceptions like resisting race replacement, and mitigating the (white) inability to compete in low margin, competitive, high population density environments, is not sustainable.

    Why should whites resist corporate driven race replacement? You wouldn’t see the Chinese, Koreans, Japanese putting up with this shit. Even the Mexicans wouldn’t.

    BTW whites were perfectly able to do scut work and did until the elites opened our borders. If the borders were closed today and the bulk of the illegals and visa violators were given the boot, we wouldn’t have a unemployment or wage problem in this country.

    It would also be a nicer place without the Mexicans. Give them back to Fred, he likes them.

    • Replies: @Neil Templeton
  42. rod1963 says:
    @Alexamenos

    Mexicans are not a value adding people. Most of them here are campesinos and gutter Mexicans. All they are is a permanent and violent underclass on the dole.

    I know the stats on Mexicans say one thing but remember Mexicans are mixed in with whites on crime stats. Makes them look better than they are.

    Whites don’t have massive gang and tagger presence anywhere in the country. Mexicans do. They take to crime like a duck takes to water. Go to any city or town and it has a Mexican gang problem.

    You can’t educate them past the 6th grade. They aren’t going to become STEM workers even though industry and academia has bent over to help them. Their culture does not value learning and combine that with their IQ’s and you have a social time bomb on our hands.

    That said, Fred ought to know better than blame the people when they haven’t had a voice in D.C. for decades. What we currently have there is a collection of meat puppets owned by Wall Street and Silicon Valley.

    Trump is the closet thing we have for a spokesmen.

    Before than we have self-appointed elites like Rove, Friedman, Gates, Zuckerberg, Buffet, etc telling us proles what is good for us. All they did was screw over the country and enrich themselves.

    And the presidents, well I can’t think of one in the last 60 years was worth a even a dollar. All beholden to Wall Street and other monied interests.

    • Agree: Jim Don Bob
  43. Wally says: • Website

    Americans won’t take those jobs?

    Nonsense.

    All of those types of jobs were taken by Americans previously. Or are slaughterhouses, construction work, gardening work, etc. new?

    While there may be temporary situations that arrive, any healthy American recipient of taxpayer money should be required to take any job that is available, like it not.

    Illegals should be barred from any taxpayers money / benefits with all due force.

    The boat is is dangerously full.

    • Replies: @Anon7
  44. @Ron Unz

    Ron, thanks for the reading. I agree that raising the minimum wage would be a boon, at least in the short run, for many of those in the lower earning sectors of the economy. However, raising the minimum may actually increase net immigration if the borders remain open. Certainly it would increase the payoff for immigrants that could find jobs.

    I don’t think it is established that Americans on average are higher quality employees than immigrants. Some are, many aren’t. Many of the higher quality native employees are already working at wage levels above $12/hr. Many immigrants who are currently working in sweatshops may be employable at $12 and above. So if the minimum wage were increased to $12, what would prevent the hiring of immigrants rather than natives?

    A proven method for raising wages is the strike and picket line. Without a picket line, the strikers have no leverage. The same principle applies to open borders, high minimum wage or not. That being said, it may be that significant portions of our native population are not employable, for various reasons, under any conceivable economic construction other than slavery. And maybe not even under slavery.

  45. map says:
    @Sam Shama

    And you are also forgetting the biggest price drops in food, housing, medical, care, rents and property, education and host of other costs that disappear once you get rid of all of these immigrants.

    Just the downward pressure alone on basic necessities due to removing immigrants would be a huge savings.

    • Replies: @Olorin
  46. @Sean c

    Exactly, just like you’ve already paid more for “cheap oil” through: paying of dictators and foreign aid, military power projection, tax breaks, and so forth. Those costs are real, but aren’t reflected at the pump.

  47. Anon7 says:
    @Beach

    I enjoy Fred’s articles, but I think he could use more facts:

    “Illegal immigrants residing in the U.S. send $50 billion in remittances to their home countries each year, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The World Bank estimates that number is even higher, closer to $120 billion.

    “To put that figure into context, $50 billion is the same amount as the U.S. government’s annual foreign aid budget, notes the New York Times. It’s the operating budget of a midsize country, or in America’s case, enough to fund North Carolina and Maine for an entire year…

    “The Central American governments have encouraged the high levels of emigration because it is earning their economy billions of dollars! For every illegal alien that sneaks into the U.S. and remits money back home, that grand total remittance number only grows. But what if the millions of U.S. jobs now filled by illegal aliens were done by American workers earning better wages, paying more in taxes and spending their money in their communities rather than sending it abroad?

    “Americans are the ones forced to pick up the $113 billion tab for taking care of the country’s 12 million illegal immigrants.”

    http://immigrationreform.com/2014/10/29/illegal-immigrants-send-home-50-billion-annually-but-cost-taxpayers-more-than-113-billion/

  48. Anon7 says:
    @Wally

    “Illegals should be barred from any taxpayers money / benefits with all due force.”

    This seems so obvious that I can’t even believe it needs to be said, and most of the country agrees with the both of us.

    “83 percent of respondents believe those here illegally should not be legally allowed to receive federal, state, or local benefits.”

    Rasmussen poll, April, 2015

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/new-poll-americans-support-aggressive-stand-illegal-immigration-feds/

    And yet, we can’t get any action from our political leadership.

  49. map says:
    @Rurik

    Here we go again with the legalizing drugs.

    The solution to all problems is to hand over a legal drug business to Mexicans and Democrats so that American kids can become even more addicted than they are now.

    Hell no.

    The real problem is that we don’t have enough people in prison for dealing drugs and we are not applying military methods to dealing with cartels.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  50. Biff says:
    @pyrrhus

    Another magic word “impeachment”. Get another stooge in there that follows orders.

  51. Art says:
    @Sam Shama

    “Except, Fred is exactly right. How many of the commenters here would be willing to pay (and indeed can afford) a 50% increase in the price of all agricultural produce, road tolls, taxes to fund higher public utility costs, home construction costs and basically every aspect of American life?”

    So Sam — is it all hopeless – it is a god afoul mess – what should we do about our low wages and the decline in the value of our savings – should we not bitch about Jewish Wall Street’s control of main street, national banking institutions, and the dollar?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  52. Ron Unz says:
    @Sam Shama

    It will also lead to medium term economic frictions since a very large part of the legal population will have to go through retraining and relocation.

    Actually, I don’t think that’s really the case. The overwhelming majority of the jobs affected are in the non-tradeable service sector, so the impacted workers will remain in the same location, doing the same job, for the same employer, but just at considerably higher wages. Walmart workers will still work at Walmart, but earn $13/hour instead of $9.50/hour. A relatively small fraction of the jobs, perhaps 5%, will disappear as non-economical, but many of those will be replaced by newly created jobs due to the greater amount of consumer spending by lower-wage workers. Fewer restaurant servers but more Walmart clerks. Walmart will have to raise its prices by 1% but who cares.

    And to a considerable extent, raising wages automatically restricts the supply of labor. Immigrants, especially illegal immigrants, are drawn by jobs. The reason those jobs are available is that American workers and established immigrants are unwilling to work at such low wages. Once the wages are much more reasonable, many more of the jobs will be filled, greatly reducing the magnet for illegal and other new immigrants.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
    , @IA
  53. Ron Unz says:
    @International Jew

    Your high-minimum-wage idea would work if everyone obeyed the law. But given that it’s already illegal to employ foreigners who don’t have the proper paperwork, how likely is it that *your* law will be obeyed?

    No, you’re confusing two totally different situations.

    (1) Violations of immigration law are “victimless crimes,” which are always very difficult to enforce. Employers who refuse to pay their workers their required wages are *not* committing victimless crimes. An employer can easily say he was “fooled” by forged immigrant documents; it’s harder for him to say he “forgot” to pay his workers the minimum wage.

    (2) Closely related to this is the fact that employers who give jobs to illegal immigrants attract a great deal of sympathy in the local (heavily immigrant) community, plus the strong support of liberals and (these days) unions; that, together with the powerful business lobby, ensures that it is impossible to enact serious penalties, so there’s almost no downside to doing do.

    By contrast, employers who refuse to pay their impoverished workers their required wages attract enormous hatred from the immigrant community, liberals, and unions, and these groups would love to inflict the harshest possible penalties. If rightwing anti-immigration activists demand a three-year prison sentence for such employment violations, pro-immigrant activists, liberals, and unions would say No, No, make it five years instead! The business lobby would be completely isolated politically and crushed, especially since all of the larger businesses (which do obey minimum wage laws) would have little sympathy for the small and marginal ones that don’t. All businesses that properly pay the minimum wage has an interest in supporting action against their competitors that don’t.

    Over the last few years I’ve probably published something like 30,000 to 40,000 words on this topic, and covered almost every aspect of the issue in some detail:

    http://www.unz.com/author/ron-unz/topic/minimum-wage/?ItemOrder=ASC

    When I originally introduced the idea in 2011, I candidly admitted that I wasn’t entirely sure whether there might not be a major flaw somewhere in my analysis. But after four years of endless debate, it’s pretty clear there isn’t.

  54. WhatEvvs [AKA "Elizabeth Mott-Mulberry-Street"] says:
    @Charles Martel

    I’ve heard that there is African illegal immigration into Switzerland, and seen photos to that effect. Please correct me if I’m wrong, which I hope I am.

  55. Sam Shama says:
    @Ron Unz

    Well I certainly concur that if higher wages can be mandated, overcoming the inevitable protests from capital/corporates, gdp will surely increase, because the marginal propensity to consume/spend is much higher for lower wage earners, than the top 1% class which saves more. I am somewhat surprised (pleasantly) by your estimate of the friction effects in the labour markets. Obviously the research that one sees coming out of MSM/financial press regarding the effects of minimum wage increases is bound to be biased. This line of statistical research is really worth pursuing objectively.

    A minor nitpick, but would this

    And to a considerable extent, raising wages automatically restricts the supply of labor.

    not actually tend to increase the supply of labour? (But perhaps you are suggesting this policy in conjunction with controlling competing inflow of illegals)

  56. Sam Shama says:
    @Art

    Well Ron’s policy suggestion and the related discussion is rather useful and timely, I think. If it is effectively executed, i.e., legally mandated wage increases at the bottom, will very likely lead to two things: (1) a chain effect of wage increases up the economic streams to many more sectors and (2) the higher spending of lower wage earners will really have a salutary effect on National Output, since lower wage households will very likely need to spend their additional income (without resorting to prohibitively priced credit) as opposed to that income going into the coffers of already bloated corporates that will surely “save” (read steal through escaped taxation) that income. So this is key, Art, that the new POTUS MUST institute wage increases by forcing corporates to keep their mouths shut. It can be done, FDR did it, when he took on business leaders’ opposition, especially the transportation, financial and utlilities sectors.

    Two things to be careful : friction in labour market (job losses due to sector substitutions) and the possibility of inflation (I think this is not a high likelihood outcome)

  57. @Ron Unz

    Both the open-borderist left and the anti-redistributionist right harbor contradictions. Raising the minimum wage will indeed reduce immigration and cause the departure of recent migrants. This isn’t what open borderists want. But restricting immigration (whether by raising the minimum wage or otherwise) effects a substantial downward redistribution of income – which isn’t (almost by definition) what most of the right wants.

    Unfortunate as it is, it isn’t surprising that many rightists are far more moved by anti-redistributionism than by anti-mass migration.

  58. tbraton says:
    @Sam Shama

    I think Sam has it exactly right. America is at that point where most Americans simply cannot afford to hire other Americans to work for them. Let’s open the borders more widely, and let us live up to those noble words on the Statue of Liberty: “bring us your mentally ill, and we will pay for their care.” While we may not be able to afford to hire our fellow Americans at a suitable wage, we certainly can afford to pay liberal welfare benefits to aliens, illegal or otherwise.

  59. tbraton says:

    With all due respect to Mr. Unz, I would note that he lacks a basic faith in the operation of the free market system. I think raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is a terrible idea. There are many old timers working at Walmart who really aren’t worth $10 an hour. I don’t know if it is still true, but a few years ago Walmart had the reputation of being the employer of last resort. I guess their catch phrase should have been a twist on the old line about New York City: “if you can’t make it anywhere else, you can make it here.” If effective restrictions are placed on immigration (both illegal and legal), I have confidence that the free market can sort things out, without the need to introduce an artificially high minimum wage that will cause unanticipated distortions of its own.

    We have the famous example of Henry Ford and his extravagant offer of “$5 a day” to auto workers back in the early days of the automobile industry. He wasn’t making that extravagant offer out of the goodness of his heart. He was offering that high wage in order to attract workers to make his profitable new product, the Model T. It was only by offering such a high wage that he could attract workers to work in the confining conditions of the assembly line. According to one website:

    “Historians agree that generosity was hardly Ford’s only or even main motive in increasing wages so dramatically. Rather, he was troubled by high rates of absenteeism and turnover at his plant in Highland Park. Daily absenteeism ran at 10% of the workforce and turnover required the company to constantly replenish its workforce with new hires.

    The $5 Day changed all that. Daily absenteeism dropped from 10% to under 1%. Replacement hiring dropped from 53,000 in 1913 to just 2,000 by 1915, even though Ford’s workforce had grown substantially by then. And production in many departments soared by 50% or more. Henry Ford himself later called the $5 Day “the greatest cost-cutting move I ever made.”

    Ford suddenly had all the potential workers he could handle. The day after the Jan. 5 announcement, an estimated 10,000 job seekers stood outside the Ford plant despite the frigid temperatures. On Jan. 12, the day the pay increase took effect, the number of daily job seekers grew to an estimated 12,000 despite temperatures near zero. Some in the crowd became unruly when it was clear not all could possibly get an interview at once, and some cars were overturned and the local Fire Department turned hoses on the crowd.”

    It might help if you thought of the U.S. as the only country in the world, with no external source of additional labor. Economics used to be defined as the study of how do you allocate scarce resources. The advantage of the free market system is that it relies on prices as a signal of how you should allocate scarce resources. If an employer at a fast food restaurant cannot attract enough workers and can’t afford to offer more in pay to attract workers, then he deserves to go out of business, and we wind up with one less fast food restaurant, which means the remaining fast food restaurants will be getting more business, earning more profits, and being able to raise the wages of his workers even higher. If the cost of fast food goes up, then some Americans may decide to do things the old fashioned way, the way most Americans did it before the vast expansion of the fast food industry, by eating at home. We might wind up seeing fewer obscenely fat people than before. The same analysis can be applied across the board. If the number of landscapers is diminished, a homeowner may be forced to pay more to have his grass cut. If that turns out to be more than he can afford to pay, then he will have to cut his own grass, or sell his house with the spacious lawn and move into a townhouse without a lawn.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  60. TWS says:
    @Sam Shama

    Wouldn’t happen over all and for only a small subset of materials. The cost would be more than offset by the benefits and jobs that now have shoved out American citizens would be done again by Americans.

    Chinese are not more productive than Americans. They make the money off the transfer by tax offsets and exchange rate. Kick out thirty million illegals and watch rental and mortgage prices drop, jobs kick back in and laws getting enforced.

    Yes, I don’t give a rats ass about the illegals except they get home safely after that buh and bye. I don’t care about the soaring corporate profits where America has become more wealthy but only the bosses get the benefits. If they don’t solve it soon it will get solved the old fashioned way. With ropes and lamp poles. Profiteers have been flogged out of town, tarred and feathered, beaten by mobs, and worse in our history before. No reason to think this time is different.

  61. Ron Unz says:
    @tbraton

    With all due respect to Mr. Unz, I would note that he lacks a basic faith in the operation of the free market system. I think raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour is a terrible idea.

    Well, although I do think $15/hour is fine for expensive cities like LA and SF, I agree it’s probably too high on a national basis, which is why I’ve instead always advocated $12 or perhaps even something a bit lower. Do bear in mind that when I launched the entire issue in 2011, there were virtually no prominent advocates anywhere of a much higher MW, with leading liberal economists such as Krugman and Stiglitz having long been on record as opposed to raising the MW, and younger liberal pundits such as Ezra Klein even publicly ridiculing the entire notion of a MW. However, my arguments won over a few thoughtful people, others followed, and within a couple of years, Krugman and Stiglitz had reversed their longstanding positions and supported a MW hike. Eventually, Obama proposed a $9 MW in early 2013 and a $10.10 MW a year later, while these days nearly all the Democrats support $12, which is a very reasonable figure.

    As for your free market arguments, I think they’re simply mistaken. For example, in March 2014 the widely respected non-partisan CBO came out with a report suggesting that raising the MW to $10.10 would cost 500,000 jobs, and the study was massively promoted by MW-opponents while the liberal/Democratic response was quite ineffective. However, I immediately pointed out that the study actually claimed that 25M workers would get a wage increase, meaning that 98% of impacted workers would gain and only 2% lose, which is an astonishly successful cost-benefit ratio for almost any public policy. Furthermore, since 98% of the workers would keep their jobs but at the much higher wage, that proves that 98% of lower-wage workers are currently being paid *less* than the free-market economic value of their labor, addressing your point. Finally, it is likely that roughly one-third of the lowest-wage workers who lose their jobs are actually illegal immigrants, and since the government is (in theory) trying to achieve exactly that result, it’s unclear whether that outcome should be considered a feature or a bug. So excluding the job-loss to illegals, almost 99% of low-wage workers would benefit:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/understanding-the-cbo-analysis-of-a-minimum-wage-hike/

    As I’ve said, I’ve exhaustively covered all these MW arguments over the last few years, and if you’re actually interested in the topic, you might really want to read some of the 40,000-plus words I’ve published, which are linked upthread. Indeed, in late 2013 some of the leading conservative policy journalists were having a difficult time responding to my arguments, and therefore urged me to get together with one of the top anti-MW economists, whom they felt would surely make a much better case. I did so, and spent a pleasant three hours with him at lunch, during which I raised all sorts of points he’d never considered and (I think) substantially shifted him towards my position. Among other things, the top anti-MW argument has always been that “jobs will be lost” but when you point out that a hugely disproportionate share of those jobs are held by recently-arrived illegal immigrants, it greatly alters the perspective.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  62. Sam Shama says:
    @Ron Unz

    To be honest I used to be a full-fledged, completely unencumbered free-markets advocate, with the attendant conclusion that, wages would be set as an outcome of market clearing.

    Well, over time, that thinking changed, as I began to realise that there are deeper issues at stake, such as the meaning of a country itself. In other words if there isn’t a border which delineates the basic economics, standards of living, and more importantly culture, what pray is the meaning of a country? We may as well start serenading the Lennonish “Imagine there’s no country…”. I mean it might be uplifting for a bit, but only as long as the effects of THC remain in the bloodstream.

    Even at the pure economic level, wages were considered freely floating by all in academia (Harvard and Chicago came to a detente on this matter) and Wall Street of course, incapable of summoning any sophisticated pretense, simply stuck with their profit motivation.

    Then came the change, that Ron spoke of (which I had no idea that he, Ron, was responsible for fostering – should have engaged in a bit of rooftop publicising there, Ron!) , and indeed leading voices such as Krugman, Stiglitz, Summers and certainly Janet Yellen (who is actually a labour economist), started to shift towards the MW model (which lends further credence to the idea of wage stickiness, observed anyway – the empirical result that there is a reservation wage, below which people simply will not participate in work).

    In more recent times, the work of Thomas Piketty, has carefully catalogued and analysed the deleterious effects of too low a MW. The central observation was that over the past 100 years (with a short discontinuity following the economic expansion after WWII) greater and greater portions of business output went to profits or capital, with labour holding the ever shorter end of the stick.

    The resulting sluggishness of the economy is crystal clear. As higher profits are piled into corporates and the owners of capital, who save much more of every$1, less and less gets recycled and re-invested in the real economy.

    So taking a healthy portion away from corporate profits and capital and paying higher wages will indeed have a salutary effect on GDP and the overall happiness of the population.

    Trouble is, the corporate lobby will be livid! We need a strong POTUS to champion this, someone who is able to give them a thorough wigging and then explain to them, that it is in fact in their long term interests to have a prosperous population.

  63. seant says:

    Fred is very bias towards Mexico. Fred stay in Mexico with your Mexican wife and her kid. Urge Mexicans to stay in Mexico, we don’t want them here abusing our welfare system.

  64. “Blacks are not going to do the scut-work. They could have had the jobs long ago if they had wanted them. But welfare and leisure in Detroit appeal more than backbreaking labor under a hot sun in a tobacco field. Few whites will even consider standing ankle-deep in blood in an abattoir. Which leaves….”

    Never seen Mike Lowe’s “Dirty Jobs” then.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  65. MarkinLA says:
    @Ron Unz

    But after four years of endless debate, it’s pretty clear there isn’t.

    Yes, there is, the large cash economy that uses illegal alien labor. Higher minimum wage just makes that more attractive and it is huge in the immigrant community – legal gardeners and contractors hiring illegals and paying them in cash.

    • Replies: @eah
  66. @Ron Unz

    By contrast, employers who refuse to pay their impoverished workers their required wages attract enormous hatred from the immigrant community, liberals, and unions

    They’re already paying under the minimum wage, violating safety and maximum-hour rules, and destroying the construction unions. And I’m not noticing any of that “hate” you foresee.

    I’ve probably published something like 30,000 to 40,000 words on this topic

    Counting the comments you’ve made on this thread?

    When I originally introduced the idea in 2011, I candidly admitted that I wasn’t entirely sure whether there might not be a major flaw somewhere in my analysis. But after four years of endless debate, it’s pretty clear there isn’t.

    So no one’s convinced *you* that you’re wrong.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  67. @jimbojones

    A big piece why Switzerland has “frankly insane” prices is because you are denominating those prices in dollars which have depreciated almost 40% against the Swiss Franc in just the last ten years.

  68. Betty says:

    I am Islamophobic and I’m cool with it.

  69. MarkinLA says:
    @Bill Jones

    “Blacks are not going to do the scut-work. They could have had the jobs long ago if they had wanted them.

    Yeah, it’s not as if that janitor union that was doing the night time cleaning of the office buildings in the 80s and was broken by illegal alien workers wasn’t mostly black. Oh wait, it was mostly black.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  70. woah. trump just might have enough steam to stir the pond till election. I would have to vote for him if he does run.

    Just because.

  71. @MarkinLA

    When I was doing my Bankster thing in the eighties and nineties, on Fifth avenue the door guys were always black.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  72. Truth says:
    @Rich

    “I get tired of repeating myself, but I’m going to keep doing it until everyone stops lying. When I was a kid in the 1970′s,”

    When I was a kid in the 1970s, your TV remote was attached to your TV via a wire.

    Things…move…forward.

  73. Truth says:
    @Jason Bayz

    ‘But for the things that can’t be outsourced, how about bringing back the convict-labor system?’

    Institutions work far better with employees who actually want to be there, at least on the surface.

    • Replies: @Jason Bayz
  74. Rurik says:
    @map

    The real problem is that we don’t have enough people in prison for dealing drugs and we are not applying military methods to dealing with cartels.

    we tried your way, both during prohibition and more recently with the epically failed “War on Drugs”

    now we have states that have legalized it and your apocalyptic phobia of rampant addiction looks like just more Reefer Madness hysteria.

    personally I wish there were far less drug use, but it’s a reality and our method of putting non-violent people in jail for long terms has been a catastrophe, just as our police War on Drugs has corroded many of our civil rights. Add to that the CIAs involvement, especially as they revamped the poppy fields as soon as they got to Afghanistan, and the whole American approach has the stench of rank hypocrisy and drug money corruption from top to bottom.

    If you don’t want to use them don’t. If you don’t want your children to use them, then I suggest an approach so radical that it may cause some aneurisms out there; tell your kids the truth about drugs.
    Sure, they might try weed or even others, but if all you do is lie to your kids about drugs, they won’t believe a word you say about anything, and why should they? Then they’re even more vulnerable to terrible drugs like meth or PCP or crack, not to mention a lot others. Some kids will try cigarettes and booze and probably weed too in many cases. Just tell your kids the truth and hope for the best. If you try to be a hammer or far worse, a liar, you’ll likely see your children drift away from you all together.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  75. @Rich

    After they get the rioting and looting out of their system I know another group that will do all those jobs that “no one else will do”, the welfare recipients. When faced with the choice of “picking cotton” for their handout or seeing the electronic benefits card do absolutely nothing at the checkout counter at Wal-Mart I think they’d opt for working. It will also incentivize them to try to avail themselves of better permanent employment outside of the fields.

  76. Ron Unz says:
    @International Jew

    So no one’s convinced *you* that you’re wrong.

    Well, in less than four years my radical MW proposals have won over: two Economics Nobel Laureates; the VDare people and most of the other hard-core anti-immigrationists; Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum, and nearly all the liberals and Democrats; and (to some extent) the leading anti-MW economist in America. But I’ve (so far) failed to win over some anonymous rightwing Internet guy who seems to spend a great deal of time commenting on my own website…

    Well, win some, lose some I always say..

  77. Travis says:
    @unit472

    excellent point…I have seen similar situations within some constructions crews , restaurants etc..The illegal immigrants network well with each other to get each other jobs, which effectively hides these jobs from Americans.

    a friend I grew up with was a construction laborer , had some carpenter skills. He stopped doing the work a few years ago , mostly because the crews were taken over by Mexicans and the work environment changed, as the workers now spoke Spanish and talked about soccer instead of football etc… he basically became alienated from his co-workers and the job no longer offered the camaraderie he once had …he now works as a security guard on a college campus. He is one of the whites with an IQ of 75 , thus he is limited to what is available to him but he is an extremely reliable worker, don’t drink and never did drugs unlike many others from my neighborhood who had average intelligence but cannot keep a good job due to their drinking.

    If we deported all the illegal immigrants, many Americans would start doing these jobs again..they still do these jobs in areas of Parts of the US where few immigrants went. Wages would probably rise about 20% , but housing costs would fall , Public schools would save billions and crime would decrease.

  78. Actually white people (and some blacks) used to do the scut work in slaughterhouses. It was miserable work (as it always will be) but it was a union job and it paid well. Then the meat packers discovered the joys of illegal immigration. They built new slaughterhouses in places that were away from union influence and that were desperate for jobs (those are the only sorts of communities that welcome slaughterhouses) but then filled them with illegal immigrants.

    Without illegal immigrants cattle would still get slaughtered. You’d have to pay a bit more for meat so that the people doing the dirty work can get paid a bit better than miserably. Sounds okay to me.

    • Agree: Travis
  79. Rex May says: • Website

    Most balanced thing I’ve read about Trump so far. I’ll be supporting him, of course, because all the other candidates have demonstrated that they’d rather die than stop mass immigration. I’ve quoted and quibcagged it here:
    Do I trust Trump? Only relatively speaking :)

    

  80. @Ron Unz

    my radical MW proposals have won over: two Economics Nobel Laureates

    Names?

    nearly all the liberals and Democrats

    None of whom support it for the reason you proposed it.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  81. IA says:
    @Ron Unz

    Once the wages are much more reasonable, many more of the jobs will be filled, greatly reducing the magnet for illegal and other new immigrants.

    Not working in Europe.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  82. Ace says:
    @Blobby5

    A related point is that the Chinese Exclusion acts were a legitimate response to large numbers of foreigners who were effectively driving wages into the ground. No state’s required to accept such a state of affairs and China was within its rights to restrict US exports. China today simply makes no effort to import large numbers of white or black people and more power to them.

    Buddhists in Myanmar set an example for us by demonstrating that it’s possible to actually look at behaviors of foreigners, look into the near future, and say they don’t like what they see and that they won’t tolerate it. Japan expelled a long-term American or British woman resident who taught English iirc and recently agreed to take, yes, a whopping five or six “refugees.” Jesus, what an example to the world!

    Mexico’s immigration laws are much more restrictive than ours — and are unobjectionable. It’s only Mexico’s hypocrisy and fisk you attitude I object to.

    In short, every non-Western nation I can think of isn’t as stupid about immigration as we are and they don’t have treasonous subpopulations conniving and BSing their majority population on how wonderful it is for foreigners to flood the US, that they aren’t transforming it for the worse, and that foreigners have a right to be here. I swear to God we’re pussies to tolerate this.

    Old Fred is one of my idols and a true American curmugeonlistical original but he too much takes the counsel of the despair he hears at the cantina around the corner from his hacienda every noche. We CAN do something to reverse this disaster and we’ll get along just fine without the illegals who’ve invaded OUR country.

  83. MarkinLA says:
    @Bill Jones

    Just to make you aware. I wasn’t criticizing your post. I should have made that clear. I was commenting on the scut work claim and mistakenly linked to your post rather than the main article. Sorry if there was any misunderstanding.

  84. MarkinLA says:
    @Rurik

    Many of the people who habitually use are completely useless to society. Many would be happy to live in a compound where they got to smoke cigarettes all day, watch TV, eat, and just get high (they of course need to be chemically sterilized). We could provide these facilities at a low cost and simply forget about ever making these people useful again. We can bus school children on field trips who can view them in their natural habitat as a way to show kids what habitual drug use degenerates into.

    • Replies: @Ace
  85. MarkinLA says:
    @Ron Unz

    Unless you can determine how big the cash economy in the immigrant community is I doubt that this idea will be nearly as successful as you think and might even be counterproductive. I doubt many of the people you cited such as Romney even have a clue as to it’s size. Every time I go to the Sams club in my area, it seems half the Hispanics are paying in cash and with 100 dollar bills (their weekly pay). That is just the Sams Club. That doesn’t count the Home Depot right next to it or the Vallarta (Hispanic oriented) and Food for Less (low income) market down the street.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  86. @Sean c

    And go to any ER in America and chances are it will be packed with Mestizos. These are just some of the expenses the rest of us pay for that the a-hole farmers and contractors have externalized.

  87. @rod1963

    Even worse than the Mexicans are the Central Americans. At least the Mexicans work. The Guats just come here for the freebies. The local BJs Wholesale is always full of them. The sows are ugly but somehow always pregnant and have multiple Guatlets in tow. Not exactly in tow, they run around like wild savages, which they are. In the parking lot you see them entering and exiting new cars. How they come here and habla no Ingles but still quickly get new cars is a mystery to me. They are taking over. Trump can’t get in office soon enough. Like someone else said, fuck the price of fruit! I want my civilization back!

  88. Jason Bayz says: • Website
    @Truth

    In most cases, but there are some industries like fruit picking where this doesn’t really apply. That’s why slavery in the antebellum south was profitable.

    • Replies: @Truth
  89. Renault says:
    @Sam Shama

    Hell, I do that now.

    Most of my (non-underwear) clothing is made in the US or Europe, and I pay a pretty hefty premium for it. Most of my meat and vegetables are bought from a SWPL farmer’s market staffed by white people.

    Serious question: why would public utility costs rise?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  90. Ron Unz says:
    @IA

    The European situation is very different from America.

    In America, the overwhelming majority of immigrants, legal and illegal, are coming for jobs, which are anyway necessary because the welfare state is minimal. If the jobs disappear, they’ll stop coming.

    But my impression is that most of the immigrants to Europe are mostly coming out of desperation because of all the wars and destruction in the Middle East and North Africa caused by America and the Neocons. Also, most European countries have much more advanced welfare states, meaning jobs are much less necessary to survive.

    • Replies: @IA
    , @The Millennial Falcon
  91. Ron Unz says:
    @MarkinLA

    Unless you can determine how big the cash economy in the immigrant community is I doubt that this idea will be nearly as successful as you think and might even be counterproductive.

    The “cash economy” has very little to do with people being paid the minimum wage or not, as opposed to tax avoidance, which is a victimless crime, at least between employer and worker. For example, casual day laborers are usually paid in cash, but the figures I’ve seen floating around are that they usually get something like $10/hour or more. Only a tiny slice of workers are paid less than the MW, and virtually none of them by large employers or the contractors they hire for service work.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @MarkinLA
  92. Ron Unz says:
    @International Jew

    my radical MW proposals have won over: two Economics Nobel Laureates

    Names?

    I already gave you their names upthread, you lazy anonymous nitwit: Krugman and Stiglitz.

    When my big article came out in 2011, prominent liberal economist James Galbraith said the idea was really great, and began promoting it in his writings. Alex Cockburn did the same at Counterpunch and in The Nation, and National Review ran a five-part series analyzing my article, while the VDare people began promoting it as well and the AFL-CIO eventually picked up on the idea.

    Then the following year, The New America Foundation commissioned a major article from me on the same subject, which got even more attention, and persuaded Ralph Nader to make a big MW hike the centerpiece of his organization’s lobbying effort in DC. Nader eventually called me all excited one morning because after many, many months of personal effort, he’d finally succeeded in getting Stiglitz to change his longstanding economic position on the MW, and Stiglitz then had dinner with Krugman, and got him to switch as well.

    I get the impression that you’re just too lazy to ever read anything, but just in case you’re interested, here are a couple of columns I wrote, covering most of the early history of the issue, with lots of links:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/nr-on-tnr-on-unz-on-minimum-wage-immigration/

    http://www.unz.com/runz/a-12-minimum-wage-transforming-policy-idea-into-political-reality/

  93. Ace says:
    @guest

    No discernable benefit for Trump as pinata.

    POTUS as in it for himself.

    Silly theory.

  94. Ace says:
    @Jus' Sayin'...

    There’s nothing rotten about Cruz, Carson, Paul, Huckabee, or Santorum.

  95. Ace says:
    @Rurik

    My neighbor may have left his house open while he went on a year’s sabbatical in Europe but it’s still wrong for me to enter his house and help myself. Nothing in Mexico not meant for me is mine to enjoy.

    We’re stupid but they’re thieves.

  96. Ace says:
    @MarkinLA

    Good as any though I’ve seen a couple of documentaries about far-gone addicts that will haunt you.

    The truth of drugs is that they guarantee a second rate life, even grass. Guaranteed. Associates, health, career- all second rate. If one is lucky.

    Reason doesn’t work with people who are determined to screw up their lives.

    Any kid can get any drug anywhere. Legalization does increase availability.

    Singapore and Indonesia have leaders who don’t waste much time on “pretty please.” They get the attention of the dealers.

    Best just to legalize it all. It will kill the cartels and the bribes.

  97. @Ron Unz

    This idea you started peddling in 2011 has been around for at least twenty years. It’s known as the “living wage”.

    When I Google ‘”living wage” “Ron Unz”‘ I get 2800 hits. Googling “living wage” alone yields over four million hits. I believe that puts your contribution in its proper perspective.

    And a friendly tip: try not to attach the adjective “major” so much, when referring to your own articles (especially the self-published ones).

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  98. Patton says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron:

    Your argument/proposal, based as it is on reversing cause and effect, and explained in the detailed manner that you have, seems surely no less reasonable than continuing on a path of an open spigot, and the resulting race to the bottom in wages.

    I only had thirty minutes to spare, so I skimmed certain portions, though I saved the link and plan to read it in full. That said, would it be rude of me to ask whether there was any component dealing with the completely imaginary constitutional promise of birthright citizenship?

  99. eah says:
    @MarkinLA

    Absolutely. I knew a guy who did that ALL THE TIME. He’d go to the known hiring spots, use his pigeon Spanish to quickly explain the job, the pay, how many workers he needed — guys would hop in the back of the pickup, they’d drive to the job site, he’d pay cash at the end of the day, and drop them at the same place on the way home. He often formed long-term cash relationships with good workers — he would pick them up in the morning where they lived.

  100. Truth says:
    @Jason Bayz

    What if they do not want to pick fruit? And what if they do? do we shorten their sentences?

  101. Truth says:
    @Ron Unz

    “I already gave you their names upthread, you lazy anonymous nitwit: Krugman and Stiglitz.”

    Hey, admittedly, IJ, those are pretty big names; now it’s your turn.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  102. IA says:
    @Ron Unz

    Let’s cut to the chase.

    Obama at La Raza: reward your friends, punish your enemies. Who are their enemies?

    Other groups will blame whites for their problems forever or until we’re dragged down to their level. You, as a Jew, can say you are not white, and therefore a victim of white privilege too. I, and guys like me, can’t do that. We are the target. I’m sorry but this is the way of the world.

    In Europe, in France at least (where I have lived), they do not have affirmative action or quotas. De Villepin wanted to pass a law where companies could fire someone within the first two years, in an attempt to encourage the hiring of non-Euros. Students at the Sorbonne rioted and student protests spread throughout France. De Villepin had to back down, effectively ending his career.

    In Europe, on the other hand, you can be prosecuted for maligning a Muslim, as happened to Houelbecque and Marine la Pen.

    But, the goal of status-marking Eloi elites is the same in both the US and Europe, and continues apace.

  103. MarkinLA says:
    @Ron Unz

    The “cash economy” has very little to do with people being paid the minimum wage or not, as opposed to tax avoidance, which is a victimless crime

    The workers are not paying payroll, disability and possibly income tax and are cheating the system which hurts us all. The employers are not paying their share of payroll taxes and workers comp and all the other costs of doing business and are passing those costs onto society.

    The higher the MW the more attractive it is to go all cash and the more likely it will be to find a fresh new illegal willing to work for less than the last one. Isn’t that what we see on the farms as the crop of illegals is constantly being replenished as the older ones move into jobs in the city paying more.

    As I said, you need to live in these areas. The number of obviously cash compensated workers at the grocery store far exceeds the number of people standing in front of Home depot.

  104. Sam Shama says:
    @Renault

    As regulated entities, any MW increase typically tends to filter into utilities’ costs rapidly.

  105. MarkinLA says:
    @Ron Unz

    Only a tiny slice of workers are paid less than the MW, and virtually none of them by large employers or the contractors they hire for service work.

    When the illegal alien office cleaners first came in they came in as one cleaning company being replaced by another. The first one just happened to pay American blacks a decent wage with benefits. The next one had one bilingual employee and the rest straight from some Mexican village who only spoke with the bilingual one. This even happened at Hughes Aircraft Company (defense contractor where people have classified documents stored in poorly protected office filing cabinets) when I was there until some employee ratted on them.

    The management didn’t care, the legality was passed on to the cleaning contractor. This is quite common when illegal alien labor is used. The contractor submits a bill for services and that is as far as the big company cares to know about it. Nobody really knows what those people are being paid or if the owner is making them pay a kickback for their job.

  106. whorefinder says: • Website

    Any ass who says Americans wouldn’t do the jobs the illegals do now in America is a dunderheaded ninnymuggins of the highest order who is simply lying through his teeth.

    His argument boils down to: Mexicans are tough and salt of the earth, you Americans are weak.

    Amazing it only took 40 years for Americans to become completely unable, genetically, to do blue-collar labor.

    Not the low wages (from illegal competition), illegal, disgusting conditions, or welfare handouts worth more than the hassle of such low wages and illegal, disgusting conditions. Nope; it’s all because us US menfolk ain’t strong like the Mexican men (and women) are! NAFTA forever!

    What a bad liar. Ron, fire this American-hating dumbass. He’s clearly gone completely native in a very bad, traitorous way.

  107. Wade says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron,

    I’ve read most of your 40k words on the subject and I’m certainly on board with a significant MW hike even though I used to be avidly against raising MW. However, I think you’re giving up on Trump too soon here. While he hasn’t been all that keen on raising the minimum wage (I believe he mentioned that we might should have a two-tiered system though), he certainly isn’t some dogmatic, free-market solves all problems, John Stossel type. He’s willing to even consider protectionism in trade, after all. And while he’s a bit of a clown at times, he’s certainly no idiot. He did graduate from the Wharton School, didn’t he? Maybe he just needs a chance to engage with your thought on the idea first. Stiglitz and Krugman weren’t on board in the beginning either, after all.

    It looks like you could reach out to Trump somehow. He would benefit a lot from such an encounter if it were to happen.

  108. joe webb says:

    joe webb

    Fw: NYTimes.com: Donald Trump Is Not Going Anywhere (says ” high-minded” jewboy )
    Everything in this Little Jew Lie of an article says that actually Trump IS going Everywhere, and probably to the Oval office, to cleanse it of recent filth, sexual and racial and Liberal.

    “And, of course, [Trump] is a dilemma for the media, who fear abetting a circus. This is why The Huffington Post announced in July that it would publish stories about Trump only in its ‘‘entertainment’’ section, so that when it all ended, as it surely would soon, the website could remain pristine and on the side of the high-minded.”

    “Annihilate,” a piece of cake, “clown,” “monstrous” , “circus”…the Jews squirm as a 6 foot three Germanic type sends them into nightmares of It Can Happen Here. Damn straight it can happen.

    The castrated liberals toadying to money and jews and career are struck , well not dumb, but into just whining little pussies complaining about a Real Man, a White Man that is, who is something like a Tall and of course, White, Cowboy out of a previous age before the Jews destroyed White Heroes in the movies and shoved the niggers down our throats with one celluloid lie after another. And of course celebrated pussies/wimps like Woody Allen the child molester and archetypal jew-as-harmless little twerp while The Jews sang Onward Christian Soldiers to our boys dying in the Middle East for that shitty little country. Woody Allen? Try Wolfoblitz & Co. of the neocon Jehovah wrathful warrior Jehovah bringing Israel to the Canaanites for a slaughter-fest, I mean bringing Democracy to the Arabs. All of course fought and the dying done by the cattle/goyim from the USA…thank you Congress, the servants of the Jewish Power, well paid off of course.

    High-Mindedness is total mindlessness. Only liberals, Jews, and lefties are high-minded, thus delivering nothing but war and civil war as the low-minded just do what comes naturally, organically, and evolutionarily…kill or drive out Others and Strangers. Liberals bring in the unwashed and violent and refuse to live near them, or send their kids to school with them, while low-minded Whites suffer the wretched and ultimately drive them out…like busing a few decades back. No liberal or jew put his kid on a bus with niggers

    The jewboy writer complains that Trump lacks introspection and other modernist angst qualifiers for the High Minded. Right, I hope. Trump listens to his genes, not some jew subverter of White Confidence. To hell with Helping the helpless. Fuck the Jews and the Liberals. Act like a man, especially a big Germanic type, one of the best of racial types.

    Europe is going to throw out the Others…and soon we will too, with Trump’s leading the low-minded back to Make America Great Again. That would be a White America by the way.

    Pretty scary stuff for the Jews. Next year in Jerusalem.

    Joe Webb

    FEATURE
    Donald Trump Is Not Going Anywhere
    BY MARK LEIBOVICH

    Where does his political adventure end? “I have no idea. But I’m here now. And it’s beautiful.”
    Or, copy and paste this URL into your browser: http://nyti.ms/1VnZk1n
    To get unlimited access to all New York Times articles, subscribe today. See Subscription Options.

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  109. @Ron Unz

    Relative to Eurotopias like Sweden, the American welfare state may be minimal, but it looks pretty lavish from the ground.

    Free education/daycare at state-of-the-art schools with tons of free services (tutoring, academic counseling, meals, after-school programs, tech labs, etc.), free groceries (via EBT cards and government-funded food banks), and emergency medical care are big draws. Add to that birthright citizenship and the subsidized in-state tuition/Pell grants/minority scholarships available to their kids and you’ve got a pretty substantial welfare incentive.

    Jobs vs. welfare is a false dichotomy. They want both. Government benefits + wages = upgrade in living standards for immigrants and their kids.

    So any policy that just targets jobs is not going to slay the beast. Structural incentives will still remain. And particularly now that mass immigration has already taken place, a measure targeting corporate employers isn’t going to have as much effect. That might get the flower and garment districts, but it’s not hitting the taquerias, gardeners, maids, handymen and all the small-time businesses run by other immigrants. Expecting Rigoberto to throw down with his tio over getting paid less than the state minimum wage (tax-free) is not realistic.

    I think it’s a tool to consider, but why not just tackle the beast straight on? Why put wage controls on the domestic market to solve a problem that inheres in lax border security and law enforcement? Why limit ourselves to attacking American businesses?

    For Fred, the answer seems obvious: he has a deep affection and sympathy for the Mexican people and an abiding hostility to America’s ruling class (not unlike many Mexican immigrants!). He and Ron both seem to believe that America would be better off replacing its black population with Latinos, or at least that America shouldn’t complain about Latino culture and misbehavior as long as it goes soft on its blacks.

    But both miss the central justification of the populist (not purely right-wing) push against Mexican immigration: they are invaders. The elites may have enabled them, and blacks may behave worse than them on average, but countrymen, like family, get preference over strangers. Trump prefers Americans, even bad ones, to Mexicans.

  110. Sam Shama says:
    @joe webb

    Joe,
    Is Leibovich a Jew? Is Trump? Is his daughter Yael Ivanka Trump?

    • Replies: @el topo
    , @joe webb
  111. aeolius says:
    @BurplesonAFB

    On the fence
    “About 90-95% of the barrier will be constructed as a “multi-layered fence system”[22] with the IDF’s preferred design having three fences, pyramid-shaped stacks of barbed wire on the two outer fences, a lighter-weight fence with intrusion detection equipment in the middle, an anti-vehicle ditch, patrol roads on both sides, and a smooth strip of sand for “intrusion tracking”.[23]

    The barrier contains an on-average 60-metre (200 ft) wide exclusion area.[24] The width of some sections is larger (up to 100 metres (330 ft)) due to topographic conditions.[25] The width of some sections (about 6% of the barrier) is 3 metres (9.8 ft) where the barrier is constructed as a concrete wall up to 8 metres (26 ft) high. These sections are narrower, require less land, and provide more protection against snipers” Wikipedia

    I would add a final barrier of 1000 ft of thorn bushes.

    This would be an effective and relatively cheap barrier. Unlike the hi-tech billion dollar/mile Obama nonsense.

    The real problem and the need for a such fence is not at the US/Mexico’s border but on Mexico’s southern border. Where the lawless elements of Central America are allowed free crossing. I expect there would be a political cost if Mexico tried to seal that border.
    Instead of Trump being the dumb fuck as you suggest, some reflection might suggest that given enough pressure by Trump on Mexico’s northern border, it would seem possible that a Mexican government might reluctantly compromise with a southern fence.
    A similar slight of hand is burying anti-hedge-fund taxation in a mess of other proposals. Much of he top .01%ers have not contributed to the economy but are parasitic on it. To get at them and their congressional supporters he is offering a plan to cut taxes for the masses and then present taxing these parasites to balance things out. Icann just backed him and look for other older financiers as Buffett to join in.
    Watch him also find a way to tax the Internet zillionaires who profit from the internet.

  112. el topo [AKA "darryl revok"] says:
    @Sam Shama

    Yes, no and yes (by conversion). Any other questions for the purpose of misdirection and obfuscation?

    • Replies: @Sam Shama
  113. @Truth

    Hey, admittedly, IJ, those are pretty big names; now it’s your turn.

    Bah. I can name ten Nobel Laureates who share some view with me.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  114. Sam Shama says:
    @el topo

    Yes. Are you Joe? 2nd: t’ikfotz li.

  115. @rod1963

    I’m an American. Regarding killing, I was referring to Fred’s point that the Israeli Fence is composed of wire and lead. I doubt that most Americans will tolerate a gut shoot at the border policy to restrict the supply of immigrants.

    The refutable statistics are the claims that all, or mostly all illegals are criminal. As I understand it, the stats show that illegals are in a reasonable range, between white and black natives.

    I agree that closing the border would alleviate underemployment and probably boost wages for the lower classes, and may be the cleanest solution to those problems.

    My main point is that the Latin illegals may actually be better (on average) employees than the American underclass. In that case, simply boosting the minimum wage without closing the border may not improve the underclass native position, and may increase illegal immigration.

  116. joe webb says:
    @Sam Shama

    Trump is a German name. His phenotype is all German, round head, light hair, eye color? height, and shall we say, self-confidence…Never mind male Germans in Germany who are wimps, although East Germans (story in WSJ today) are rejecting Merkel and her pussified alleged males.

    Eastern Europe , subject to the rigors of communism until recently, never were exposed to race propaganda, although they knew Gypsies all right. For them, East Europeans, they were instructed in the mysteries of Class, and the more-equal jews and white traitors that ran their charade.

    Consequently, Race is as clear to them today as it is not for The West…our people suffering the onslaught of media holy negroes and holy jews, etc , for the last half-century.

    Since for East Europeans Class is a dead issue, what remains as explanatory factors are Race, Nationalism, Religion, and hopefully, an economics that works for just about everybody.

    This is all very Normal and what we are seeing now is the Normal asserting itself….family, neighborhood, country, race.

    Who knew that the Camp of the Saints scenario would erupt in Europe, or that Trump would appear in America to claim the grievances and attention of the Fly-over folks? Who knew the People’s Paradise would flop bloodlessly? Populism returns and it is devoid of pointy-headed jew and lib-rad White High-Mindedness. The counter-revolution will probably be relatively bloodless unless the Liberals seek the blood. That would be unusual for pussies…to get tough in any way.
    Girls just whine and whimper.

    The Counter-Revolution will be low-minded, anti-abstract, empirical, experiential, and common-sensed. You see the Enemy clearly and do the right thing, fight for your people and kill or drive out the invader. What an Idea!

    This is all a watershed event and will change the course of the Liberal Program of One World, which fundamentally is both Quixotic in its putative “ethics” and coarsely and opportunisticly pragmatic in its Money orientation…Do Well by Doing Good is the Liberal mantra. Of course, the counter-revolutionaries will rip away the badges of Goodness from the liberal suits, and if the zombies within those suits escape a beating or worse, they will be lucky.
    This is the moment we have been waiting for.
    Joe Webb

    • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
  117. Olorin says:
    @map

    Also Mr. Reed’s moronic statement:

    “Hispanics are all of 26% more likely than whites to commit violent crime. Hardly a crime wave.”

    OK, not moronic. Just…arithmetically clueless.

    Especially since until this year crimes by Hispanics have been credited to whites. And Hispanics are most likely to attack whites.

    http://www.amren.com/news/2015/07/new-doj-statistics-on-race-and-violent-crime/

    Yet another hidden Diversitopia Tax.

  118. MarkinLA says:
    @International Jew

    Bah. I can name ten Nobel Laureates who share some view with me.

    If you really want people to think you are intelligent, given the record of economists, I would keep quiet about this if I were you.

    • Replies: @International Jew
  119. Bernie Sanders. A different choice.

  120. @MarkinLA

    given the record of economists, I would keep quiet about this if I were you.

    Shee-it. So you’re saying Ron’s one-up on me because he has _fewer_ economists on his side!?

    Tough audience here…

  121. Faust says:

    I have been thinking since I read an article the other day about the advance of technology. It was pointed out that only 80 years elapsed between the Wright Brothers and the Space Shuttle. The speed of technological advance accelerates.

    My point is that we are importing low wage bean pickers at a time when technology is progressing by leaps and bounds in agriculture. We have come a long way from the Cotton Gin. So, what do we do with all of these bean pickers after technology has supplanted them?

  122. Svigor says:

    Its fine to indulge in the nostalgia of days long past when “pale men with a Budwieser can” would do the job that the Mexicans are doing today.

    Except, Fred is exactly right. How many of the commenters here would be willing to pay (and indeed can afford) a 50% increase in the price of all agricultural produce, road tolls, taxes to fund higher public utility costs, home construction costs and basically every aspect of American life?

    Nonsense (Mallory made the same argument):

    The Costs and Benefits of a Raise for Field Workers

  123. MarkinLA says:
    @Sam Shama

    Except, Fred is exactly right. How many of the commenters here would be willing to pay (and indeed can afford) a 50% increase in the price of all agricultural produce, road tolls, taxes to fund higher public utility costs, home construction costs and basically every aspect of American life?

    Yes, nothing got done in America before the illegals cam in and made it all possible. Road workers and public utility are among the highest paid blue collar workers out there are usually have to be citizens because public money is being spent on them so there are n0 savings by having illegals here just more strain on the system by having more low in come people using it.

    Construction and gardening and eating out all may cost more but people will make do and prioritize just like they did before. There, however, may be an advantage in construction. We may start seeing plumb and square walls again.

  124. aGerman says:

    How many of the commenters here would be willing to pay (and indeed can afford) a 50% increase in the price of all agricultural produce, road tolls, taxes to fund higher public utility costs, home construction costs and basically every aspect of American life?

    How much is your spending on “agricultural goods” in percent of your income in “the US” ?
    And how much are all the other costs in the above quote affected by “immigrant’s earnings”?

    Staring on potato prices is not very helpful in an general discussion about several economic impacts. Over here in Germany roundabout 20% of the population are “immigrants”. That doesn’t matter because the most of them will form there own societies, go to work or make there own business. Btw: If you go back in history most of Europe relies on immigrants and 99,99% of the US too.

    One thing with illegal immigrants is that a lot of them are unwanted or useless in their home countries. Nobody wants to be a right-less worker on a farm in an foreign country except he has to. Thats different to refugees, who normally want to go back.

    Another thing is the state (the coldest of all monsters – F.W. Nitzsche) . Lots of problems caused by feudalistic tendencies inside this cancerous structure. It is growing and will take a lot of the peoples energy apart. Over here in Germany a minimum wage worker has to pay more than 60% of his earning on direct and indirect taxes (like VAT which is 19% on most goods and services), several social securities and crazy things like the “Haushaltsabgabe” for primitive governmental media propaganda.

    But all the duties are taken apart in every stage in the process chains. And they tend to grow and grow and grow. The monster has endless appetite. So the margin of the companies business will fall, even when nothing else happened. They can’t do anything except rationalizing and outsourcing and they do.

  125. @International Jew

    This idea you started peddling in 2011 has been around for at least twenty years. It’s known as the “living wage”.

    Twenty years! Ha!

    The family wage is over a century old. Or would be, had we not killed it.

    But that would require most wives and mothers to stay home, so the left would reject it out of hand, should anybody ever bother to bring it to their attention. Screw the unions and the welfare state; the best presidents for working American families were Warren Gamaliel Harding and John Calvin Coolidge.

    When the Depression hit, my grandparents had just had their second child. That didn’t stop them from having five more, even if the last three had to wait until the war.

    Now the government gives us the twisted choice of either Mom staying at home and collecting food stamps, or Mom going to work, missing her kids, and paying for someone else’s food stamps, and for day care to boot.

  126. @joe webb

    Never mind male Germans in Germany who are wimps, although East Germans (story in WSJ today) are rejecting Merkel and her pussified alleged males.

    Yeah, but to go back to Erich Honecker and the Stasi and the Trabi? Just because the West is wrong doesn’t mean the East is right!

  127. turtle says:
    @Chris Mallory

    It is important not to conflate construction costs with the price of the finished product.
    Back in the day, I earned my living as a union carpenter in Southern California.
    In those days (late 1970s) the average SKILLED TRADESMAN could well afford to purchase one of the products to which his (well compensated) labor contributed.
    These days, not so much.
    So, cui bono?

    From an economic point of view, it is my opinion that Henry Ford’s Great Stroke of Genius was *NOT* the invention of the production line, but the realization that there had to be a market for the finished product. Hence, his enlightened decision to pay his employees extremely well.
    As Mr. Ford put it, “I am creating customers.”

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