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Social Justice Warriors and Bubonic Plague: Is There a Difference?
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Today I will explain why America is going to hell, and probably deserves it. It has to do with conservatives and liberals, who may be thought of as Woofers and Tweeters. They should all be taken out and shot. The country would then be a much better place. Worth a try, anyway.

Some observations:

(1) Liberals posit the equality of groups that are not equal, attribute the inevitable differences of outcome to discrimination, and try to eradicate these through regulation, affirmative action, and punishment of those noticing the differences. This doesn’t work, assuring a pretext for indignation that is non-depletable, like the liver of Prometheus.

Here we have the bedrock of American politics.

(2) Liberals believe that we should all love one another, and hate those who don’t. This puts them in the morally invincible position of being against hatred. It also obscures the observable fact that most of us, certainly including liberals, dislike a great many people, and that most groups detest a lot of other groups, or will if placed in contact with them. Distance is prerequisite to love.

(3) Groups hate each other, firstly, the greater their proximity. Secondly, the more they differ from one another, and, thirdly, the more power one has over another or the greater the apparent superiority of one over the other. The result is a spectrum of hostility running from surliness to severed heads.

This explains anti-antisemitism. Jews do not assimilate: Bill O’Toole in America does not think of himself as Irish, but Rachel Cohen thinks of herself as Jewish. This is not a sin, which has nothing to do with it. Proximity is close to a maximum since Jews are widely mixed through the population. Jews rise to positions of power, completing the triad. They can’t win.

There are those who believe that Homo sapiens came about through the mating of a Neanderthal with a pit bull. While this has not been confirmed, it fits the evidence.

(4) This brings us to the curious notion that diversity is a strength, which it obviously is not. Diversity is in fact the cause of most of the world’s troubles. If you doubt that diversity is a great evil, consider relations between:

Tamils and Sinhalese in Sri Lanka; Tutsis and Hutus in Burundi; Protestants and Catholics in Ireland; Israelis and Arabs in Palestine; blacks, whites, and browns in the United States; Anglophones and Francophones in Canada; Sunnis and Shias everywhere; Chinese and Indonesians in Indonesia; Chinese and Malays in Malaysia; Muslims and Hindus in India; blacks and whites in South Africa; Jews and everybody else everywhere; Spaniards and Basques in Spain; Spaniards and Catalans; Turks and Kurds; to name a few.

Then consider the proportion of riots, crime, looting, arson, lynchings, racial attacks, complaints of discrimination, ill will, court cases, and legislation that would have been avoided in America over the years since 1600 had there been only one race in the country.

Thus sensible social policy should always be to keep different groups apart. Usually it is not that either of two warring groups is evil, but only that they are different. It is enough.

(5) The granularity of detestation descends well below the national and racial levels. New Yorkers and West Virginians do not like each other, nor the urban and the rural. Massachussetans and Mississippians do not like each other, though these do not actually kill each other. (In the mid-1800s, they did.) Those who like and those who despise President Trump hate each other. Women seem to hate men, which is why maintaining separate bars and clubs as sometimes retreats is wise.

(6) The only way to make different groups like each other is to make them stop being different. Blacks who move in reasonable though superficial comfort among whites do so by adopting white speech, dress, and mannerisms; the Irish and Italians in America by ceasing to be Irish or Italian while keeping the names. This suggests that good policy would be to allow, or encourage, different groups to separate from each other, or to force them to be like each other. The former approach leads to tranquility, the latter often to bloodshed. The current effort by Social Justice Warriors to make boys and girls into warped sexual interstitial amalgams produces angry, unhappy men and women.

(7) This in turn brings us to immigration, which amounts to the importation of people so they can hate each other.

Open borders are supported by vaguely warm-hearted appeals to those who think with their glands. There are probably 500 million Indians, as many Chinese, hundreds of millions of Africans, more Muslims, and several hundred million Latin Americans who would like to emigrate to the United States. The question for Social Justice Warriors is how many of these should be admitted–none, all, or a specific figure between?

Anyone who makes noises in favor of immigration should answer this question as otherwise he will be engaging in mere moral posing. But to choose one number is to exclude another number. Not inclusive, that.

(9) The two primary political errors are liberalism and conservationism (who hate each other: See?)

Conservatives are hostile, darkly suspicious of almost everything, tribal, but not actually delusional, living in something resembling the real world but taking a dim view of it.

Liberals construct in their minds a world as they think it should be, and then try to live in it. Their goodness of their ideas is so obvious, so reasonable, so heart-warmingly right that we should have a happy multicultural society, black and white together, and brown and yellow and what have you, kum bah yah, and learn from each other, vive la difference. It doesn’t detract from the appeal of this theory that it allows those holding it to feel really good about themselves.

An example of trying to live in fantasia is the statement by Obama,“Joe Biden and I know that women are as least as strong as men,” he said. “We’re stronger for it.”

ORDER IT NOW

Women are not as strong as or stronger than men. Perhaps they should be. We may want them to be. It might be a good thing if they were. But they are not. If Obama believes otherwise, he is out of touch with reality–i.e., psychotic. People otherwise sane can be politically psychotic in this manner. Think of conspiracy theorists.

When it doesn’t work, the fault must lie with obstructive racist, sexist, ageist, homophobic, Islamophobic, et cetera at unbearable length. We just need somehow to teach people not to act like people.

(10) Most of Social Justice Warriorism deals more with feelings than with fact, logic, observation, or actual thought, all of which are regarded as nuisances and probably sexist. Thus there is no hope. We should all go home and slit our throats, leaving the world to bugs and things.

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  1. “We just need to somehow teach people not to act like people.”
    There it is- the great temptation and delusion of the last 60 years : that if we just shut our eyes firmly enough and act consistently as if we live in the world as we wish it to be rather than the world as it is, we can make it so.
    The first, and most important, Fact Of Life that needs to be grasped by any mature adult is that we ( all of us ) are very imperfect people living in a very imperfect world. It has always been thus and thus it will always be.
    Working within that perimeter, the ill effects of the great fact can, and have been ( “progress” ) mitigated, but ignoring it is a sure road to individual despair and societal disaster.
    Another crystal clear summation of the Human Condition by my favorite societal analyst. Thanks Fred.

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  2. As far as “diversity” goes, as when one mixes a strong acid with a strong base, one must do so very slowly, mixing as one goes. Mix too rapidly and there can be an explosion.

    One can make all sorts of arguments against mixing in the first place, but that horse is out of the barn. What is painful is listening to the willfully blind protesting that there will not, and ought not, be an explosion as they demand we mix more and more rapidly.

    The wise will seek some distance from the experiment.

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  3. The entire left is psychotic. This has nothing to do with Party as the GOP is just as guilty of the mental illness known as liberalism/progressivism.

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    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    The difference between a social mood mania and a folie a plusiers (a madness of the many) is nil.
    , @Astuteobservor II
    to be honest, you are just as psychotic.
  4. didn’t Fred just write a column on the importance of a columnist being consistent?

    Fred has become the Jekyll and Hyde of the immigration debate

    amusing himself perchance, with sophistry preening as prose

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    • Replies: @Vendetta
    Fred's positions on immigration are actually pretty consistent.

    1) Mass immigration (especially of the illegal sort) is a net negative and should have been stopped decades ago before there was a critical mass of millions of illegals entrenched in the country

    2) Now there is such a mass, however, wholesale deportation is going to be ugly. Our efforts are probably best spent on getting rid of the worst criminals while cutting off further inflow and penalizing employers who hire illegally

    3) The legal population is large enough to create a demographic dilemma for the US regardless of this. No getting rid of them short of ethnic civil war; therefore some effort should be invested into assimilating them (less likely to be wasted than any effort toward blacks, since Mexicans, while somewhat more dysfunctional than whites, are not nearly as dysfunctional as blacks).

    4) That being said, Fred is personally fond of Mexicans and much of their culture, and reacts harshly to portrayals of Mexico as some sort of Yemen or Somalia on the border. Demonizing Mexicans isn't necessary to support an anti-immigration position since we know that diversity even between highly functional groups, i.e. Catholic/Protestant or Catholic/Orthodox Europeans, is enough to create a dysfunctional country.)



    He's a moderate border hawk with a personal affinity for Mexicans. You're only seeing it as Jekyll/Hyde if you take a piece focusing only on one of these points and then extrapolate his position on the rest of them from it.


    He likes Mexicans. He knows an open border is a problem. He'd like us to control illegal immigration without viewing Mexican people as subhuman. He'd like penalties for illegal immigration to go both ways against those who come and against those who enable by hiring. And if it comes down to assimilation or civil war he'd go for assimilation first (which he's not too opimistic about, but hey, they're not completely hopeless like blacks.)


    Find me one piece of his that strays from this general set of positions.
    , @jimbojones
    Fred has been consistent on the immigration issue. His position is that:
    - Diversity is not strength.
    - Mexicans are all right and Mexico is not a complete dump.
    One can think that Mexicans are all right without wanting them in the US.
  5. In Konrad Lorenz’ “On Agression”, he observed that most of the fighting amongst reef fish was intraspecies. Since diverse species of fish exploited different ecological niches they had no beef with one another and lived in mutual harmony just as, he says, a plumber and a lawyer live happily side by side.

    But let a member of one’s own species intrude and this poses a threat that is met with violent resistance. Losing one’s territory to a member of one’s own species means starvation in addition to the near-zero likelihood of reproducing oneself. So natural selection has ensured that we have enough spunk to protect both our territorial niche and our offspring. If we didn’t or don’t, we cease to exist.

    Liberals—college grads all—are not threatened by low-skill Hispanic immigrant labor. They don’t compete for resources in the same economic niche. But roofers, carpenters, tile layers, dry wallers and factory workers are in competition with Mexican scabs. It’s simple biology then for them to fight to protect their territory. This has nothing to do with being “deplorable” and everything to do with the instinctual drive for survival.

    Once again Liberals prove by their selfish social engineering that they never learned about Charles Darwin and his intellectual offspring or thought through the implications of his Ideas. They are fundamentally Christians who don’t believe in a literal God but do believe in Sunday school nostrums they picked up as children. As they themselves brag, “Everything I need to know I learned in Kindergarten”.

    And once again, Liberals in downplaying instinctual drives display just how uncomfortable they are with the notion that humans are part of the natural world. For a Liberal, we’re always supposed to be above our animal nature. Odd coming from those who fancy themselves nature lovers and environmentalists, isn’t it?

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    • Replies: @Stonehands

    They are fundamentally Christians who don’t believe in a literal God but do believe in Sunday school nostrums

     

    The God of the Bible separated His people at the Tower of Babel, after they had formed a one world-one language society. We are living in this paradigm once again as we hurtle towards the NWO and the Tribulation.

    This is fundamental.
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    • Replies: @Jason Liu
    Why? Feminism is not acceptable just because it happens to your enemies. The left's ideologies knows no borders, and spreads faster the more societies it infects.
    , @Ace
    She's anything but a feminazis. Quite insightful, in fact.
  7. Perhaps one should not use examples where the full background is not known?

    “””””Diversity is in fact the cause of most of the world’s troubles. If you doubt that diversity is a great evil, consider relations between: …. Tutsis and Hutus in Burundi, …. “”””

    The Weaponisation of the Refugee
    Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe (Part 2 of an 11 Part Series)

    http://dissidentvoice.org/2016/01/the-weaponisation-of-the-refugee/

    …. In the nineteenth century, Imperial Belgium imported hundreds of thousands of Rwandan Tutsi workers to the Congo to staff their work colonies. This artificial migration policy of Belgian imperialism has played a major role in the context fueling the current ethnic cleansing and ongoing neo-colonial proxy wars being carried out by the US/Israeli and European powers in the Democratic Republic of Congo, where the US /Israeli Tutsi puppet regime of Paul Kagame is murdering and pillaging on behalf of Western corporations. The Wall Street Journal has ironically described Kagame’s Zionist puppet regime ‘The Israel of Africa’.

    Here Hutu refugees fleeing Kagame’s genocidal regime have been systematically bombed and slaughtered by the Zionist backed Rwandan military. Refugees fleeing war have been used by the aggressors as a pretext to wage further war and conquest. The US and EU have been destabilizing Burundi since April 2015. Now, terrorists are attacking the country from refugee camps in Rwanda, with full backing by Western powers….

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    • Replies: @Vendetta
    Lol, get this Hutu propaganda out of here. Tutsis have been in Rwanda for centuries. The Belgians didn't bring them there and they didn't invent the Hutu/Tutsi distinction either.

    And Kagame runs the closest thing Africa is ever going to see to an indigenous Lee Kuan Yew-style administration. If you had any good wishes towards Africa freeing itself from imperialism and misery, you'd have cheered for him to take over the Congo and get his hands on some real resources to invest in raising the living standards of his people, and cursing the UN for making him leave and allowing the Congolese government to resume its business as usual of running itself into the ground.


    There's a very strange intersection between Hutu nationalist propagandists and far left anti-imperialists. I truly don't get it. Here's the one country in Africa that's spent the last 20 years doing something positive for itself (raising living standards, avoiding repeat civil wars, growing its economy at 7% a year), and you hate it. You hate it while rooting for the likes of Zimbabwe and Sudan.

    And now it looks like the right is recycling these lies of the far left, which are themselves the recycled lies of Hutu nationalist propagandists. Maddening.

    , @daniel le mouche
    whether it's in the example you cite, northern ireland, tibet perhaps... and on and on, this is the old ruling elite method to divide and rule. after two generations the imports are just as native as the original natives, hence endless strife.
  8. Now there’s the old Fred back. I see you are writing the stuff that I want to read again. ;-} Yes, I read your previous column about columnists, but no, just kidding, I don’t wholly agree with it.

    Opinions are like assholes and everybody’s got one, except possibly some of the weird-ass-gender crowd, as surgery does not have a perfect 100% success rate. However, facts are facts, and the column about Mexicans in the US just had a lot of wrong information in it.

    If a columnist is going to write some BS, people are going to call him on it, and your writing of another column to explain how all these readers just don’t like to hear something outside their normal views is what the old-timers called a “cop-out”. I am glad to learn some new things, and if I’ve been wrong because I had most of the facts wrong about an issue, then I’ll have to slowly change my mind, and the columnist has done his job.

    Your column on Mexicans, and the latest 2 ridiculous Paul Craig Roberts columns on how we’re all killing THE PLANET with love and C02 were just 1) bias, in your case, and 2) an Episode Of Idiocy on PC Robert’s part. So, I’m bound to make some comments to defend the truth under each of these posts. Mr. Roberts, in the same stupid columns about Global Climate Disruption<(TM), also came up with some insults to his readers, but his were more egregious, and he's not the writer you are. In his case, I wouldn't call his admonition of his readers a cop-out, it was more like a display of an innumerate moron trying to tell us engineers that we don't know anything about physics, chemistry, accuracy vs. precision, and mathematical modelling.

    Fred, please don’t take it the wrong way and write a cop-out article next time. PC Roberts, you just talk to a mechanical engineer as I asked you to. Both of you should try to do some learning yourself. We’re here for y’all, free of charge, guys.

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    Fred, please don’t take it the wrong way and write a cop-out article next time. PC Roberts, you just talk to a mechanical engineer as I asked you to. Both of you should try to do some learning yourself. We’re here for y’all, free of charge, guys.
     
    Oh, for the love o' God, will you juvenile personalities EVAH stop posing as helpful little urchins, and just STFU?
  9. OK, more to say. Firstly, mucho kudos for approving my previous comment. That’s very honorable of somebody (or the computer – thanks unix!).

    That last comment was very critical, and I did leave out anything praising the writing. I agree with it all but am curious about whether you, Fred, would agree with me that women shouldn’t be voting and should just stay out of politics. I am pretty sure women vote in Mexico and I wonder what the Mexican men think about that.

    Now, having said this, is it not the case, Fred, that you really believe in what you wrote? If so, how can you say you are just giving the readers what they want? I know you’ve badmouthed Donald Trump, and I’m sure mostly rightly. I didn’t notice you writing glowing columns about him knowing that your readers’ biggest worry is massive immigration and importation of a new people into America. Trump got where he is due to his taking a stand about this issue out of the starting gate (at his hotel in NYC in the summer of ’15).

    To me it seems that you write what you believe, which would make your previous column bunk, (oh oh, may be approaching a paradox here … Scotty, …. must stop … think l…. iiiing about … uhhhhhh!)

    Listen, do you think the folks you wrote about just now with the following line:
    “(10) Most of Social Justice Warriorism deals more with feelings than with fact, logic, observation, or actual thought, all of which are regarded as nuisances and probably sexist.” believe the writing of the columnists they read? They do, and when a columnist like the alleged Genius Ted Coates comes out with this crap is it to please his readers? I don’t think – I think he really believes it, because, just as you wrote, these people listen to their feelings. That’s kind of like women, and that’s why I brought women’s voting up in my 2nd paragraph.

    Anyway, great column Fred. Well written and correctomundo!

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  10. People who believe in unlimited resources feel free to promote any political policy that makes them feel good about themselves.

    Only when resources are generally believed to be limited will people make better choices.

    We’ve spent half a century or more promoting the belief that there are no limits to what “we” can do if we simply put magic incantations on paper (fiat legislation) and issue some more bonds to pay for it.

    I sincerely believe this to be a trend in its final stages, and when the blinders of social mood optimism finally fall from most people’s eyes, their resulting fear and rage will set new records for the actions that they feel impelled to undertake.

    Busts arise from the prior booms. We’ve had the greatest credit bubble boom in recorded history, and it should be followed by a credit collapse bust of unprecedented proportion. This outcome, a product of social mood change, will coincide with currently-unthinkable social actions.

    Diversity + Proximity = War, and we’ve seen 50 years of public policy shuffling people together by force like deck of cards.

    The “dealer” was social mood. It alway is.

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  11. @Quartermaster
    The entire left is psychotic. This has nothing to do with Party as the GOP is just as guilty of the mental illness known as liberalism/progressivism.

    The difference between a social mood mania and a folie a plusiers (a madness of the many) is nil.

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  12. Jews do it in extremely dishonest/truly evil ways, other elite-types also do it, but jews are on avg verbally and psychologically smarter to win their oponents.

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  13. Diversity is in fact the cause of most of the world’s troubles.

    Obviously you’re talking about ethnic diversity here, not the diversity of tastes in music.

    But in fact ethnic diversity is not the cause of most of the world’s troubles. It’s just the easiest form of grouping to exploit, for politicians playing the ‘divide and conquer’ game.

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    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    'Bowling Alone' shows otherwise, which is why no ethnically diverse country has achieved long term survival. People want to be with their own, with the exception of a certain tiny and cohesive minority.And people really object to financially supporting aliens....The USA will not long survive the continued importation of parasitic 3d worlders.
    , @Astuteobservor II
    divisive, polarizing politics started with karl rove. or was it earlier? I honestly didn't pay much attention during clinton elections, too young back then.
    , @animalogic
    Yes. Diversity can be done well, or not well.
    Australia, New Zealand, Singapore are (not perfect) examples of "well".
    Immigration is a technical question: how many, over what period of time ?
    If you can't do it properly, then don't do it.
    Incidentally, groups don't "hate". Hate doesn't waft around the place. Emotions are individual -- there are any number of steps within the formula "I hate = we hate" . A formula easily exploited by those with an agenda.
    , @CanSpeccy

    It’s just the easiest form of grouping to exploit
     
    No. Racism is adaptive.

    If you're not a racist your chances (the chances of your genes, that is) of being represented in succeeding generations will be slightly less (all other things being equal) than those of your racist neighbor. So condemn racism if you want, and especially if it psychs out those with whom you are competing for dominion over the earth, but don't give up being a racist if you wish to be represented in succeeding generations.

    Most white Americans, it seems, despise such selfishness and look forward, apparently, to their own racial extinction. But in name, you sound Chinese, and most Chinese in my experience, are sensible, conservative, and quietly racist, as I therefore assume that you are when you are thinking clearly.

  14. I don’t know, I’m born and raised in NY and one of my best buddies when I was in the Army was from West Virginia. I think it had more to do with the color of our skin than the place we were born.

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  15. @Rurik
    didn't Fred just write a column on the importance of a columnist being consistent?

    Fred has become the Jekyll and Hyde of the immigration debate

    amusing himself perchance, with sophistry preening as prose

    Fred’s positions on immigration are actually pretty consistent.

    1) Mass immigration (especially of the illegal sort) is a net negative and should have been stopped decades ago before there was a critical mass of millions of illegals entrenched in the country

    2) Now there is such a mass, however, wholesale deportation is going to be ugly. Our efforts are probably best spent on getting rid of the worst criminals while cutting off further inflow and penalizing employers who hire illegally

    3) The legal population is large enough to create a demographic dilemma for the US regardless of this. No getting rid of them short of ethnic civil war; therefore some effort should be invested into assimilating them (less likely to be wasted than any effort toward blacks, since Mexicans, while somewhat more dysfunctional than whites, are not nearly as dysfunctional as blacks).

    4) That being said, Fred is personally fond of Mexicans and much of their culture, and reacts harshly to portrayals of Mexico as some sort of Yemen or Somalia on the border. Demonizing Mexicans isn’t necessary to support an anti-immigration position since we know that diversity even between highly functional groups, i.e. Catholic/Protestant or Catholic/Orthodox Europeans, is enough to create a dysfunctional country.)

    He’s a moderate border hawk with a personal affinity for Mexicans. You’re only seeing it as Jekyll/Hyde if you take a piece focusing only on one of these points and then extrapolate his position on the rest of them from it.

    He likes Mexicans. He knows an open border is a problem. He’d like us to control illegal immigration without viewing Mexican people as subhuman. He’d like penalties for illegal immigration to go both ways against those who come and against those who enable by hiring. And if it comes down to assimilation or civil war he’d go for assimilation first (which he’s not too opimistic about, but hey, they’re not completely hopeless like blacks.)

    Find me one piece of his that strays from this general set of positions.

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  16. @hyperbola
    Perhaps one should not use examples where the full background is not known?

    """""Diversity is in fact the cause of most of the world’s troubles. If you doubt that diversity is a great evil, consider relations between: .... Tutsis and Hutus in Burundi, .... """"

    The Weaponisation of the Refugee
    Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism's War on Europe (Part 2 of an 11 Part Series)
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2016/01/the-weaponisation-of-the-refugee/

    .... In the nineteenth century, Imperial Belgium imported hundreds of thousands of Rwandan Tutsi workers to the Congo to staff their work colonies. This artificial migration policy of Belgian imperialism has played a major role in the context fueling the current ethnic cleansing and ongoing neo-colonial proxy wars being carried out by the US/Israeli and European powers in the Democratic Republic of Congo, where the US /Israeli Tutsi puppet regime of Paul Kagame is murdering and pillaging on behalf of Western corporations. The Wall Street Journal has ironically described Kagame’s Zionist puppet regime ‘The Israel of Africa’.

    Here Hutu refugees fleeing Kagame’s genocidal regime have been systematically bombed and slaughtered by the Zionist backed Rwandan military. Refugees fleeing war have been used by the aggressors as a pretext to wage further war and conquest. The US and EU have been destabilizing Burundi since April 2015. Now, terrorists are attacking the country from refugee camps in Rwanda, with full backing by Western powers....

    Lol, get this Hutu propaganda out of here. Tutsis have been in Rwanda for centuries. The Belgians didn’t bring them there and they didn’t invent the Hutu/Tutsi distinction either.

    And Kagame runs the closest thing Africa is ever going to see to an indigenous Lee Kuan Yew-style administration. If you had any good wishes towards Africa freeing itself from imperialism and misery, you’d have cheered for him to take over the Congo and get his hands on some real resources to invest in raising the living standards of his people, and cursing the UN for making him leave and allowing the Congolese government to resume its business as usual of running itself into the ground.

    There’s a very strange intersection between Hutu nationalist propagandists and far left anti-imperialists. I truly don’t get it. Here’s the one country in Africa that’s spent the last 20 years doing something positive for itself (raising living standards, avoiding repeat civil wars, growing its economy at 7% a year), and you hate it. You hate it while rooting for the likes of Zimbabwe and Sudan.

    And now it looks like the right is recycling these lies of the far left, which are themselves the recycled lies of Hutu nationalist propagandists. Maddening.

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    • Replies: @Vendetta
    Let me straighten you out on the subject: it was globalist political forces that ordered Kagame OUT of the Congo. International finance, mining conglomerates, NGOs, and UN agencies were all backing Kabila and the DRC explicitly because it was a corrupt, dysfunctional government that got to take care of itself. Corporations liked dealing with a corrupt government that could be bribed into signing away mining rights for a pittance; humanitarian agencies prefer a basketcase of a country to one whose government actually tries to take care of its own people (what is there for them to do otherwise?)

    France, Belgium, and Europe in general (along with the UN) were behind the Hutus from the beginning. UN intervention in the Rwandan Civil War only arrived when the Hutus were about to lose; the UN stopped the RPF and allowed the Hutu army to escape into the Congo along with a mass of refugees.

    The UN then showered these Hutu refugee camps with 90% of the Rwandan Genocide aid (i.e. giving it to the people who had just committed the genocide, rather than the Tutsis who'd been on the receiving end).

    Kagame had the grace not to go slaughtering every Hutu that was left in Rwanda and actually re-integrated them as equal citizens (which the Hutu propaganda you read twists into him being some sort of Tutsi Hitler).

    But the UN refugees camps across the border were run as safe havens by Hutu militant groups that continued an insurgency into Rwanda to try and take over again.

    Kagame got tired of dealing with this and with the inability of Congo's government to police its own side of the border. He made an alliance with the leftist African states to go in and overthrow Mobutu and replace him with someone who could maintain order.

    They won, they put in Kabila, and Kabila promptly severed all ties with the Rwandans and did exactly what Mobutu had done before; enable the Hutu insurgency.

    And at that point Kagame went in again to do the same, only this time the leftist African states (Angola, Zimbabwe, etc) intervened to stop him. Hutu nationalists linked up with the African socialists and their far left friends in Europe to print a false narrative of Kagame genociding millions of Hutus in Rwanda.

    Then the African socialists and the Congo's corporate backers went to the UN and complained until Rwanda was forced to withdraw, leaving Hutu militias again the dominant force of eastern Congo.

    This continues to this day - most recent UN intervention was to eliminate a Tutsi stay-behind militia (M23) while completely ignoring Hutu militants in the same region.

    Kagame, like Assad, is a victim of globalist media which has repeated the lies of his opposing fanatics as and cast him as another in the latest line of Next Hitler's.


    A shame to see anyone on our side falling for this, don't spread these lies.
    , @hyperbola
    Israeli hasbara. You will know them by those with whom they associate.

    Rwanda is Without Doubt a Friend of Israel – Kagame tells AIPAC
    http://ktpress.rw/2017/03/rwanda-is-without-doubt-a-friend-of-israel-kagame-tells-aipac/

    Israel’s African Darling: Paul Kagame: An Interview with Robin Philpot
    https://www.blackagendareport.com/kagame_israel%27s_darling
    Rwandan dictator Paul Kagame, who recently addressed AIPAC, in Washington DC, is Israel’s favorite African, a man the Zionists permit to use the term “genocide.” Both nations claim their wounds give them a special status in the world. “Rwanda and Uganda could be called mad dog states -- they’re highly militarized, and they serve as sheriffs for the U.S. at the same time as they pursue their own interests.”....

    Israel: We love thee Paul Kagame
    https://rehmat1.com/2017/03/31/israel-we-love-thee-paul-kagame/
    On March 26, Rwandan military dictator Paul Kagame, known as Butcher of the Great Lakes, became the first African ruler to address America’s most powerful lobby group AIPAC, in Washington DC, on behalf of Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He is the only non-Jewish leader who is allowed to invoke word Holocaust or genocide for people other than Jews by the organized Jewry.

    Paul Kagame was also honored with Casino Mafia Foundation’s Dr. Miriam and Sheldon Adelson Prize for Outstanding Friendship with Israel – or a friendship between two genocidal regimes by The World Values Network founded by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. ...
  17. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Diversity is in fact the cause of most of the world’s troubles.
     
    Obviously you're talking about ethnic diversity here, not the diversity of tastes in music.

    But in fact ethnic diversity is not the cause of most of the world’s troubles. It's just the easiest form of grouping to exploit, for politicians playing the 'divide and conquer' game.

    ‘Bowling Alone’ shows otherwise, which is why no ethnically diverse country has achieved long term survival. People want to be with their own, with the exception of a certain tiny and cohesive minority.And people really object to financially supporting aliens….The USA will not long survive the continued importation of parasitic 3d worlders.

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    ‘Bowling Alone’ shows otherwise
     
    What?? Have you read the book? Doesn't sound like you have.
  18. @Vendetta
    Lol, get this Hutu propaganda out of here. Tutsis have been in Rwanda for centuries. The Belgians didn't bring them there and they didn't invent the Hutu/Tutsi distinction either.

    And Kagame runs the closest thing Africa is ever going to see to an indigenous Lee Kuan Yew-style administration. If you had any good wishes towards Africa freeing itself from imperialism and misery, you'd have cheered for him to take over the Congo and get his hands on some real resources to invest in raising the living standards of his people, and cursing the UN for making him leave and allowing the Congolese government to resume its business as usual of running itself into the ground.


    There's a very strange intersection between Hutu nationalist propagandists and far left anti-imperialists. I truly don't get it. Here's the one country in Africa that's spent the last 20 years doing something positive for itself (raising living standards, avoiding repeat civil wars, growing its economy at 7% a year), and you hate it. You hate it while rooting for the likes of Zimbabwe and Sudan.

    And now it looks like the right is recycling these lies of the far left, which are themselves the recycled lies of Hutu nationalist propagandists. Maddening.

    Let me straighten you out on the subject: it was globalist political forces that ordered Kagame OUT of the Congo. International finance, mining conglomerates, NGOs, and UN agencies were all backing Kabila and the DRC explicitly because it was a corrupt, dysfunctional government that got to take care of itself. Corporations liked dealing with a corrupt government that could be bribed into signing away mining rights for a pittance; humanitarian agencies prefer a basketcase of a country to one whose government actually tries to take care of its own people (what is there for them to do otherwise?)

    France, Belgium, and Europe in general (along with the UN) were behind the Hutus from the beginning. UN intervention in the Rwandan Civil War only arrived when the Hutus were about to lose; the UN stopped the RPF and allowed the Hutu army to escape into the Congo along with a mass of refugees.

    The UN then showered these Hutu refugee camps with 90% of the Rwandan Genocide aid (i.e. giving it to the people who had just committed the genocide, rather than the Tutsis who’d been on the receiving end).

    Kagame had the grace not to go slaughtering every Hutu that was left in Rwanda and actually re-integrated them as equal citizens (which the Hutu propaganda you read twists into him being some sort of Tutsi Hitler).

    But the UN refugees camps across the border were run as safe havens by Hutu militant groups that continued an insurgency into Rwanda to try and take over again.

    Kagame got tired of dealing with this and with the inability of Congo’s government to police its own side of the border. He made an alliance with the leftist African states to go in and overthrow Mobutu and replace him with someone who could maintain order.

    They won, they put in Kabila, and Kabila promptly severed all ties with the Rwandans and did exactly what Mobutu had done before; enable the Hutu insurgency.

    And at that point Kagame went in again to do the same, only this time the leftist African states (Angola, Zimbabwe, etc) intervened to stop him. Hutu nationalists linked up with the African socialists and their far left friends in Europe to print a false narrative of Kagame genociding millions of Hutus in Rwanda.

    Then the African socialists and the Congo’s corporate backers went to the UN and complained until Rwanda was forced to withdraw, leaving Hutu militias again the dominant force of eastern Congo.

    This continues to this day – most recent UN intervention was to eliminate a Tutsi stay-behind militia (M23) while completely ignoring Hutu militants in the same region.

    Kagame, like Assad, is a victim of globalist media which has repeated the lies of his opposing fanatics as and cast him as another in the latest line of Next Hitler’s.

    A shame to see anyone on our side falling for this, don’t spread these lies.

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  19. @Yours Truly
    This is one feminazi I won't be hurling insults at.

    http://www.themalaymailonline.com/opinion/shafiqah-othman-hamzah/article/the-hypocrisy-of-malay-muslims

    Why? Feminism is not acceptable just because it happens to your enemies. The left’s ideologies knows no borders, and spreads faster the more societies it infects.

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    • Replies: @Wally
    Yet women marchers wearing 'pussy hats' praise Miley Cyrus who is touted as advancing women's dignity.

    http://images.intouchweekly.com/uploads/posts/image/69834/miley-cyrus.jpg

  20. @pyrrhus
    'Bowling Alone' shows otherwise, which is why no ethnically diverse country has achieved long term survival. People want to be with their own, with the exception of a certain tiny and cohesive minority.And people really object to financially supporting aliens....The USA will not long survive the continued importation of parasitic 3d worlders.

    ‘Bowling Alone’ shows otherwise

    What?? Have you read the book? Doesn’t sound like you have.

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  21. @Rurik
    didn't Fred just write a column on the importance of a columnist being consistent?

    Fred has become the Jekyll and Hyde of the immigration debate

    amusing himself perchance, with sophistry preening as prose

    Fred has been consistent on the immigration issue. His position is that:
    - Diversity is not strength.
    - Mexicans are all right and Mexico is not a complete dump.
    One can think that Mexicans are all right without wanting them in the US.

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    Fred has been consistent on the immigration issue. His position is that:

    One can think that Mexicans are all right without wanting them in the US.
     

    well, let's just look back a few columns, shall we..?

    http://fredoneverything.org/what-to-do-with-latinos-get-used-to-them/

    his position seems to be that the Reconquista is a fait accompli, and that like forcible rape, since there's nothing we can do about it, we may as well just lay back and enjoy it. Eh Fred?

    let me just channel my inner Trump, and say that either we have laws, or we don't

    either we have a border, or we don't

    either we have a country, or we don't

    Fred just wants to have it both ways. He wants to mollify his Mexican family members, friends and neighbors, and perhaps the local authorities..

    and he wants to retain some smidgen of respectability from his readership base (alt-right type deplorable white folks) who he smears as " embittered anti-immigration people, readers of sites like Vdare," and "white nationalists" who "exhibit an almost effeminate squeamishness at the thought of their precious bodily essences being polluted by oozing dark sludge."

    so which is it?

    are N. Americans who want to maintain their "precious bodily essences" (a white majority, semblance of the nation and lifestyle they inherited from their ancestors) - retrograde racists?

    or are they simply sane, intelligent and clued-in enough to understand that all his diversity does not bode well for their children and grandchildren?

    http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/nationwide-string-of-violent-crimes-involving-illegal-aliens/

    http://www.illegalaliencrimereport.com/crimes-against-children/576/

    here's a nice photo of the ones arrested in on state in one month for child rape

    http://www.captainsjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/NC_Illegals-792x1024.jpg

    I wonder how many parents of these children we should mock as 'embittered white nationalists' who're trying to preserve their precious bodily fluids, eh?

  22. … Moslems and English in Rochdale ,
    Moslems and English in Rotherham,
    Moslems and English in Luton …

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    • Replies: @Uebersetzer
    In the case of Rochdale, the local MP for 20 years (and a local government worthy, including mayor, before that) was as non-Muslim and English as they come. He was also unmasked post mortem as a child molester, although from time to time allegations were made in some of the braver media while he was alive.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_Smith

    More generally, this thread is amazing. The lead article seems to be incitement to murder. I wonder why there is any moderation of posts at all at Unz, considering some of the exotica that are published as comments and even some of the main articles. Not just this thread. Some people seem almost to be bathing in anti-Jewish, anti-Muslim, anti-Black or other ethnic and religious hatred. And "SJWs" (whatever that is) are a disease and should be exterminated. Dearie me.
  23. We should all go home and slit our throats, leaving the world to bugs and things.

    The cholos and the cucarachas, eh? Fred Reed – you so loco!

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  24. @Quartermaster
    The entire left is psychotic. This has nothing to do with Party as the GOP is just as guilty of the mental illness known as liberalism/progressivism.

    to be honest, you are just as psychotic.

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  25. @Achmed E. Newman
    Now there's the old Fred back. I see you are writing the stuff that I want to read again. ;-} Yes, I read your previous column about columnists, but no, just kidding, I don't wholly agree with it.

    Opinions are like assholes and everybody's got one, except possibly some of the weird-ass-gender crowd, as surgery does not have a perfect 100% success rate. However, facts are facts, and the column about Mexicans in the US just had a lot of wrong information in it.

    If a columnist is going to write some BS, people are going to call him on it, and your writing of another column to explain how all these readers just don't like to hear something outside their normal views is what the old-timers called a "cop-out". I am glad to learn some new things, and if I've been wrong because I had most of the facts wrong about an issue, then I'll have to slowly change my mind, and the columnist has done his job.

    Your column on Mexicans, and the latest 2 ridiculous Paul Craig Roberts columns on how we're all killing THE PLANET with love and C02 were just 1) bias, in your case, and 2) an Episode Of Idiocy on PC Robert's part. So, I'm bound to make some comments to defend the truth under each of these posts. Mr. Roberts, in the same stupid columns about Global Climate Disruption<(TM), also came up with some insults to his readers, but his were more egregious, and he's not the writer you are. In his case, I wouldn't call his admonition of his readers a cop-out, it was more like a display of an innumerate moron trying to tell us engineers that we don't know anything about physics, chemistry, accuracy vs. precision, and mathematical modelling.

    Fred, please don't take it the wrong way and write a cop-out article next time. PC Roberts, you just talk to a mechanical engineer as I asked you to. Both of you should try to do some learning yourself. We're here for y'all, free of charge, guys.

    Fred, please don’t take it the wrong way and write a cop-out article next time. PC Roberts, you just talk to a mechanical engineer as I asked you to. Both of you should try to do some learning yourself. We’re here for y’all, free of charge, guys.

    Oh, for the love o’ God, will you juvenile personalities EVAH stop posing as helpful little urchins, and just STFU?

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    When you have finished this part of your cycle, come back and join us for some witty banter, Ms. Smith. We're here for you. If that's not helpful, I don't know what is.
  26. Don’t read any of the comments, Fred. What a pack of Stupids.

    Time for me to go read Paul Craig “Fists of Fury” Roberts.

    Toodles.

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  27. Until we get rid of government education, we aren’t getting rid of social justice warrior mentality.

    With the government child care industry, it’s just gotten worse. Kids are in the hands of socialists indoctrinating them from shortly after they are born until full adult-hood.

    We homeschool and each year the school has to let us do a tour as potential students. The kids get to see first-hand the hatred of the teachers for anyone who is on track with places like Shanghai that are years ahead of their domestic cohorts. They get to see the rank idiocy and hypocrisy. Last time we stood in the presence of a Celebrate Diversity poster while they harangued us for how horrible it was to have kids performing above their grade level.

    They want dumbed-down students who can’t think for themselves. That’s who you can manipulate for teacher-worship while they completely fail to prepare the students for the real world.

    So long as you have government running education you aren’t getting rid of this plague.

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Great comment Backwoods Bob. I think parents can get away without homeschooling in the first few elementary years (at least where I live), as they have a hard time holding him back at school, as the kid' levels vary quite a bit anyway. After that, we hope to homeschool, and I have admiration for anyone who does.

    So long as you have government running education you aren’t getting rid of this plague.
     
    Substitute anything besides, arguably, the army, navy, air force, and marines in there for "education" and this still rings true. Government is the plague.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " Teacher worship" amen bro, and this being one facet of the total " authority worship" phenomena in US society, which is really a reflection of german society in these regards, as the germans " worship" judges, barristers, clergy, politicians, ( they scream on and on about DT not being an authentic "Politician" ) professors, teachers, journalists, in other words the most dubious societal BS artists are the objects of german "authority" worship, and the same hopeless situation prevails in the US.
    Revealingly in Italy, a sane place for the most part, the greetings "bon giorno professore" or "Bon giorno dottore" are employed amongst unacademic parties, in a manner of jest, which would be a desecration of said titles and unthinkable in Germany.
    Until the US gets down to business as to neutralizing the marxist "professor/teacher " scenario, there will no end to the mayhem and pandemonia and then ultimately the demise of the nation.

    Authenticjazzman " mensa" society member of since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    PS in current leftist/gutmenschen Germany the most reviled citizen is : The soldier.
    , @CanSpeccy
    The elite wouldn't allow the government to spend all that money on education without good reason.
  28. @jimbojones
    Fred has been consistent on the immigration issue. His position is that:
    - Diversity is not strength.
    - Mexicans are all right and Mexico is not a complete dump.
    One can think that Mexicans are all right without wanting them in the US.

    Fred has been consistent on the immigration issue. His position is that:

    One can think that Mexicans are all right without wanting them in the US.

    well, let’s just look back a few columns, shall we..?

    http://fredoneverything.org/what-to-do-with-latinos-get-used-to-them/

    his position seems to be that the Reconquista is a fait accompli, and that like forcible rape, since there’s nothing we can do about it, we may as well just lay back and enjoy it. Eh Fred?

    let me just channel my inner Trump, and say that either we have laws, or we don’t

    either we have a border, or we don’t

    either we have a country, or we don’t

    Fred just wants to have it both ways. He wants to mollify his Mexican family members, friends and neighbors, and perhaps the local authorities..

    and he wants to retain some smidgen of respectability from his readership base (alt-right type deplorable white folks) who he smears as ” embittered anti-immigration people, readers of sites like Vdare,” and “white nationalists” who “exhibit an almost effeminate squeamishness at the thought of their precious bodily essences being polluted by oozing dark sludge.”

    so which is it?

    are N. Americans who want to maintain their “precious bodily essences” (a white majority, semblance of the nation and lifestyle they inherited from their ancestors) – retrograde racists?

    or are they simply sane, intelligent and clued-in enough to understand that all his diversity does not bode well for their children and grandchildren?

    http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/nationwide-string-of-violent-crimes-involving-illegal-aliens/

    http://www.illegalaliencrimereport.com/crimes-against-children/576/

    here’s a nice photo of the ones arrested in on state in one month for child rape

    http://www.captainsjournal.com/wp-content/uploads/NC_Illegals-792×1024.jpg

    I wonder how many parents of these children we should mock as ‘embittered white nationalists’ who’re trying to preserve their precious bodily fluids, eh?

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  29. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Diversity is in fact the cause of most of the world’s troubles.
     
    Obviously you're talking about ethnic diversity here, not the diversity of tastes in music.

    But in fact ethnic diversity is not the cause of most of the world’s troubles. It's just the easiest form of grouping to exploit, for politicians playing the 'divide and conquer' game.

    divisive, polarizing politics started with karl rove. or was it earlier? I honestly didn’t pay much attention during clinton elections, too young back then.

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  30. @Vendetta
    Lol, get this Hutu propaganda out of here. Tutsis have been in Rwanda for centuries. The Belgians didn't bring them there and they didn't invent the Hutu/Tutsi distinction either.

    And Kagame runs the closest thing Africa is ever going to see to an indigenous Lee Kuan Yew-style administration. If you had any good wishes towards Africa freeing itself from imperialism and misery, you'd have cheered for him to take over the Congo and get his hands on some real resources to invest in raising the living standards of his people, and cursing the UN for making him leave and allowing the Congolese government to resume its business as usual of running itself into the ground.


    There's a very strange intersection between Hutu nationalist propagandists and far left anti-imperialists. I truly don't get it. Here's the one country in Africa that's spent the last 20 years doing something positive for itself (raising living standards, avoiding repeat civil wars, growing its economy at 7% a year), and you hate it. You hate it while rooting for the likes of Zimbabwe and Sudan.

    And now it looks like the right is recycling these lies of the far left, which are themselves the recycled lies of Hutu nationalist propagandists. Maddening.

    Israeli hasbara. You will know them by those with whom they associate.

    Rwanda is Without Doubt a Friend of Israel – Kagame tells AIPAC

    http://ktpress.rw/2017/03/rwanda-is-without-doubt-a-friend-of-israel-kagame-tells-aipac/

    Israel’s African Darling: Paul Kagame: An Interview with Robin Philpot

    https://www.blackagendareport.com/kagame_israel%27s_darling

    Rwandan dictator Paul Kagame, who recently addressed AIPAC, in Washington DC, is Israel’s favorite African, a man the Zionists permit to use the term “genocide.” Both nations claim their wounds give them a special status in the world. “Rwanda and Uganda could be called mad dog states — they’re highly militarized, and they serve as sheriffs for the U.S. at the same time as they pursue their own interests.”….

    Israel: We love thee Paul Kagame

    https://rehmat1.com/2017/03/31/israel-we-love-thee-paul-kagame/

    On March 26, Rwandan military dictator Paul Kagame, known as Butcher of the Great Lakes, became the first African ruler to address America’s most powerful lobby group AIPAC, in Washington DC, on behalf of Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He is the only non-Jewish leader who is allowed to invoke word Holocaust or genocide for people other than Jews by the organized Jewry.

    Paul Kagame was also honored with Casino Mafia Foundation’s Dr. Miriam and Sheldon Adelson Prize for Outstanding Friendship with Israel – or a friendship between two genocidal regimes by The World Values Network founded by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. …

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    Oh, it's Rehmat. Little surprise.

    The "Kagame is a Zionist puppet" notion fails the simple reality check of Israel having zero strategic interest in controlling a tiny landlocked country in sub-Saharan Africa with no natural resources.

    Rhetoric aside there is very little of substance to the Israel-Rwanda relationship apart from a deal where Israel gets to deport its African migrants there in exchange for cash payments to Rwanda.

    Being a tiny landlocked country in sub-Saharan Africa with no natural resources, they can't do afford to be choosy when it comes to ways of making a buck.
    , @Wiremu
    Fascinating, is there really someone called
    Shmuley Boteach?
    What a profoundly ugly name.
  31. @The Real John Jeremiah Smith

    Fred, please don’t take it the wrong way and write a cop-out article next time. PC Roberts, you just talk to a mechanical engineer as I asked you to. Both of you should try to do some learning yourself. We’re here for y’all, free of charge, guys.
     
    Oh, for the love o' God, will you juvenile personalities EVAH stop posing as helpful little urchins, and just STFU?

    When you have finished this part of your cycle, come back and join us for some witty banter, Ms. Smith. We’re here for you. If that’s not helpful, I don’t know what is.

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  32. @Backwoods Bob
    Until we get rid of government education, we aren't getting rid of social justice warrior mentality.

    With the government child care industry, it's just gotten worse. Kids are in the hands of socialists indoctrinating them from shortly after they are born until full adult-hood.

    We homeschool and each year the school has to let us do a tour as potential students. The kids get to see first-hand the hatred of the teachers for anyone who is on track with places like Shanghai that are years ahead of their domestic cohorts. They get to see the rank idiocy and hypocrisy. Last time we stood in the presence of a Celebrate Diversity poster while they harangued us for how horrible it was to have kids performing above their grade level.

    They want dumbed-down students who can't think for themselves. That's who you can manipulate for teacher-worship while they completely fail to prepare the students for the real world.

    So long as you have government running education you aren't getting rid of this plague.

    Great comment Backwoods Bob. I think parents can get away without homeschooling in the first few elementary years (at least where I live), as they have a hard time holding him back at school, as the kid’ levels vary quite a bit anyway. After that, we hope to homeschool, and I have admiration for anyone who does.

    So long as you have government running education you aren’t getting rid of this plague.

    Substitute anything besides, arguably, the army, navy, air force, and marines in there for “education” and this still rings true. Government is the plague.

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    Achmed, school is only a couple of hours a day for us, but it is seven days a week.

    Our philosophy started from the observation that Shanghai kids graduate four academic years ahead of out local school.

    We figured you can't make up for that by starting behind and trying to catch up. So we read a lot of peer-reviewed science literature on early infant learning. I sang the ABC song through mommy's womb every day, so homeschool began before birth.

    By the time our oldest reached kindergarten age, he was five years ahead of his peers. At age six, he tested 13th grade (Freshman college) in reading. He's seven now, and just started calculus, having zipped through some basic algebra first. His younger brother isn't quite as talented but is doing 3rd grade math at kindergarten.

    We had no idea the results would be this incredible, and it makes us wonder what the hell the government schools do with their time. We have looked carefully at their curriculum and it is all politically correct indoctrination. But eight hours a day? In kindergarten locally, they learn to count to 20. One number every few weeks I guess.

    You don't need to be this far ahead, nor did we plan for it. But our experience shows you can be many, many years ahead of these retards in the government schools if you start early and do a small amount each and every day. We probably miss ten days a year at most and the kids have most of each day to do whatever they want, so school is no burden at all for them.
  33. Upon taking the perceived risk to wander out of his safe space, a fragile snowflake becomes the public laughing-stock.

    A dose of multi-cultural New York City working-class subway reality leaves annoying social-justice-warrior emotionally wounded, and rebranded as the irritating social-justice-pussy.

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  34. (1) Liberals posit the equality of groups that are not equal, attribute the inevitable differences of outcome to discrimination, and try to eradicate these through regulation, affirmative action, and punishment of those noticing the differences. This doesn’t work, assuring a pretext for indignation that is non-depletable, like the liver of Prometheus.

    Dude, you JUST…..DON’T….GET IT.

    You’ve been doing just this for 5 years…

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  35. (2) Liberals believe that we should all love one another, and hate those who don’t. This puts them in the morally invincible position of being against hatred. It also obscures the observable fact that most of us, certainly including liberals, dislike a great many people, and that most groups detest a lot of other groups, or will if placed in contact with them. Distance is prerequisite to love.

    OK at this point Fred, either you are intentionally trolling, or you fell off the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Yes, Fred is intentionally trolling. It's what he does for a living; the Modern Mencken touch. Or hadn't you noticed?
  36. @fitzGetty
    ... Moslems and English in Rochdale ,
    Moslems and English in Rotherham,
    Moslems and English in Luton ...

    In the case of Rochdale, the local MP for 20 years (and a local government worthy, including mayor, before that) was as non-Muslim and English as they come. He was also unmasked post mortem as a child molester, although from time to time allegations were made in some of the braver media while he was alive.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_Smith

    More generally, this thread is amazing. The lead article seems to be incitement to murder. I wonder why there is any moderation of posts at all at Unz, considering some of the exotica that are published as comments and even some of the main articles. Not just this thread. Some people seem almost to be bathing in anti-Jewish, anti-Muslim, anti-Black or other ethnic and religious hatred. And “SJWs” (whatever that is) are a disease and should be exterminated. Dearie me.

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  37. Hi, interesting perspective.
    I’d like to compare with mixing of different liquids.
    1) Most people remember vaguely from chemistry that diethylether and water do not mix. That is not fully correct. One can dissolve 6,8 g in 100 g water and have one single clear phase.
    Add 0,1 g and the solution firstly turns opaque and then separates into two clear nearly pure phases of water and diethylether.
    2) Tetrahydrofurane (very similar to ether) can be mixed perfectly with water in any proportions and results in one single clear phase. Add a teaspoon of salt, stir and the solution firstly turns opaque and then separates into two clear nearly pure phases of (salty) water and tetrahydrofurane
    Always makes me wonder if it might be the same with peoples:
    1) Only so many may immigrate without no problems. Then some more and bang, ghettoes.
    2) A homogenous society of As and Bs. Then add some external stress and bang , ghettoes.

    Take care

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  38. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Diversity is in fact the cause of most of the world’s troubles.
     
    Obviously you're talking about ethnic diversity here, not the diversity of tastes in music.

    But in fact ethnic diversity is not the cause of most of the world’s troubles. It's just the easiest form of grouping to exploit, for politicians playing the 'divide and conquer' game.

    Yes. Diversity can be done well, or not well.
    Australia, New Zealand, Singapore are (not perfect) examples of “well”.
    Immigration is a technical question: how many, over what period of time ?
    If you can’t do it properly, then don’t do it.
    Incidentally, groups don’t “hate”. Hate doesn’t waft around the place. Emotions are individual — there are any number of steps within the formula “I hate = we hate” . A formula easily exploited by those with an agenda.

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji

    Diversity can be done well, or not well.
     
    I don't what that means, how 'diversity' can be 'done'. All I'm saying is that under normal circumstances a typical normal person would not care if his neighbor has an accent or whatever. And if does begin to annoy, then there has to be an underlying issue, usually economics. Your life is getting worse, and the elites find someone to blame.
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    I can easily see why Obama thinks women are as strong as men. Moochelle must be able to lift more than him, but then your typical muscly Bantu woman is prolly more manly than an Oriental man.

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  40. People otherwise sane can be politically psychotic in this manner. Think of conspiracy theorists.

    Had a good laugh at this one. How hilarious after you just included yourself *again* with the conspiracy theorists in exposing the big fat conspiracy theory that justifies anti-semitism on “Jewish Power” and “Jewish lack of integration”, currently highly controversial subjects that depending on who you ask “Jewish Power” and “Jewish lack of integration” are conspiracy theories and the ones thinking otherwhise are tinfoil hat Nazis and Hitler apologists.

    Ever heard of MKUltra? Operation Mockingbird? COINTELPRO? Are you aware those “conspiracy theories” turned out to be true?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/5-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true-2015-6?IR=T

    Let’s take a look at “conspiracy theory” number 4.

    4. The CIA recruited top American journalists to spread propaganda in the media and gather intelligence.

    Now you are no top journalist, mind ya, not even a top writer, but no doubt you should be considered an “influencer” having as you do a sizeable readership and being your site ranked within the 100k most popular websites in the US (fredoneverything.org) and one of the most popular bloggers here at unz.com, ranked within the 15k most popular sites in the US and within the 35K most popular sites in the world…

    That and the blatant intellectual dishonesty you display regarding historical events – you obviously have insufficient and incomplete information to even discuss the alleged causes of said events not to talk about outright dismiss alternative explanations – makes me think sometimes operation “Mockingbird” is still alive and well.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

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    • Replies: @daniel le mouche
    right on. why is it that, somehow, all the influential opion makers from this fred to chomsky, howard zinn, amy goodman, alexander cockburn, etc. etc. are always, again somehow, laughing hyenas on the only important questions of politics (that is, on conspiracy nuts)? is it a mutual masturbation society? are they pizzagate insiders? what a rotten bunch of twats! go rot, fred, and noam, and cockburn. these fuckers are liars, plain and simple. i once attended a zinn speech where he tried to dodge the 911 question with 'but that's in the past' (7 years in the past at the time--this from a historian!).
  41. @Backwoods Bob
    Until we get rid of government education, we aren't getting rid of social justice warrior mentality.

    With the government child care industry, it's just gotten worse. Kids are in the hands of socialists indoctrinating them from shortly after they are born until full adult-hood.

    We homeschool and each year the school has to let us do a tour as potential students. The kids get to see first-hand the hatred of the teachers for anyone who is on track with places like Shanghai that are years ahead of their domestic cohorts. They get to see the rank idiocy and hypocrisy. Last time we stood in the presence of a Celebrate Diversity poster while they harangued us for how horrible it was to have kids performing above their grade level.

    They want dumbed-down students who can't think for themselves. That's who you can manipulate for teacher-worship while they completely fail to prepare the students for the real world.

    So long as you have government running education you aren't getting rid of this plague.

    ” Teacher worship” amen bro, and this being one facet of the total ” authority worship” phenomena in US society, which is really a reflection of german society in these regards, as the germans ” worship” judges, barristers, clergy, politicians, ( they scream on and on about DT not being an authentic “Politician” ) professors, teachers, journalists, in other words the most dubious societal BS artists are the objects of german “authority” worship, and the same hopeless situation prevails in the US.
    Revealingly in Italy, a sane place for the most part, the greetings “bon giorno professore” or “Bon giorno dottore” are employed amongst unacademic parties, in a manner of jest, which would be a desecration of said titles and unthinkable in Germany.
    Until the US gets down to business as to neutralizing the marxist “professor/teacher ” scenario, there will no end to the mayhem and pandemonia and then ultimately the demise of the nation.

    Authenticjazzman ” mensa” society member of since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    PS in current leftist/gutmenschen Germany the most reviled citizen is : The soldier.

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    The teacher woship is no exaggeration either, Jazzman.

    On their doors they have posted "The Incredible Mr. Smith". "The Amazing Mrs. Jones". Etc. Except that the amazing Mrs. Jones is the head teacher, concentration math supposedly, and doesn't know the Pythagorean Theorem. She sneered at our six year old for reciting it. She claimed it was of no practical use, but then would not let him explain how you can use it to find the length of a board for a roof truss. Not just a stupid teacher, but one who is outright antagonistic towards her own teaching specialization.

    I don't think people have any idea how horrible it has gotten in the government schools. The only thing the local PTA does is raise money for the Halloween spook house and candy give-away.

    Our electric co-op has a donation program where you can give money to fund solar panels for whoever wants them. It pays for the panels, poles, utility boxes, labor, and a meter to show how much electricity it has produced. Theschool got one. The principal ordered all the chairs be put out in the parking lot on dedication day. She had a podium with a microphone for herself. Balloons, ribbons, and a photographer. They made it the centerpiece of their entire program that year, claiming they had donated this to the community, not vice-versa, and everyone in the world could learn from them. An outright lie. Not one person in the school did a damned thing, nor donated anything - and they were all cheering themselves for how virtuous they were.

    In the meantime, you can log on to web pages run by hundreds of schools with solar panels and get all kinds of data on power output in real time. These teachers and administrators are such ignoramuses that they don't even know. They are behind other schools by years and think they are in first place.

    That's how you produce Social Justice Warriors who only know how to virtue signal and take credit for something other people do for you.

  42. @animalogic
    Yes. Diversity can be done well, or not well.
    Australia, New Zealand, Singapore are (not perfect) examples of "well".
    Immigration is a technical question: how many, over what period of time ?
    If you can't do it properly, then don't do it.
    Incidentally, groups don't "hate". Hate doesn't waft around the place. Emotions are individual -- there are any number of steps within the formula "I hate = we hate" . A formula easily exploited by those with an agenda.

    Diversity can be done well, or not well.

    I don’t what that means, how ‘diversity’ can be ‘done’. All I’m saying is that under normal circumstances a typical normal person would not care if his neighbor has an accent or whatever. And if does begin to annoy, then there has to be an underlying issue, usually economics. Your life is getting worse, and the elites find someone to blame.

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    I think you have been a bit curmudgeonly and verbally pedantic with animalogic without actually disagreeing.

    That said, your pointing to the economic factor is spot on. I recall a time during a boom in mining stocks when I was waxing indignant about the behaviour of some mining entrepreneurs eho seemed to be effectively stealing from their listed company and the fact that I couldn't get people interested. A wise old company lawyer/QC observed that "when everyone's making money no one minds someone stealing a bit". I would extend that thinking to what it takes to maintain a democracy even in the limited sense in which the US had been a democracy (votes of a fairly large proportion of the population can force a peaceful change of the people in government).

    Once you have the ignorant masses losing trust in the much better informed and well connected who should be able to be trusted to govern with reasonable fairness and competence you will have to put up with loud ignorant populists, conspiracy theorists, would-be Messiahs etc whom reallife voters can't possibly assess in terms of relevant competence or honesty.

    IMO globalisation should have been fine if the US government hadn't squandered the country's wealth on wars and allowing America's healthcare (which isn't even good for most people) to cost an extra 8 per cent of GDP beyond what other countries prove is necessary.

  43. @Oldeguy
    "We just need to somehow teach people not to act like people."
    There it is- the great temptation and delusion of the last 60 years : that if we just shut our eyes firmly enough and act consistently as if we live in the world as we wish it to be rather than the world as it is, we can make it so.
    The first, and most important, Fact Of Life that needs to be grasped by any mature adult is that we ( all of us ) are very imperfect people living in a very imperfect world. It has always been thus and thus it will always be.
    Working within that perimeter, the ill effects of the great fact can, and have been ( "progress" ) mitigated, but ignoring it is a sure road to individual despair and societal disaster.
    Another crystal clear summation of the Human Condition by my favorite societal analyst. Thanks Fred.

    Without people the world IS perfect.

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  44. The Plague created modern England by decimating the labor supply, thereby accelerating the decline of feudalism. It also assisted the process of creating a smarter populace….SJWs have no such accomplishments.

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  45. @Jason Liu
    Why? Feminism is not acceptable just because it happens to your enemies. The left's ideologies knows no borders, and spreads faster the more societies it infects.

    Yet women marchers wearing ‘pussy hats’ praise Miley Cyrus who is touted as advancing women’s dignity.

    http://images.intouchweekly.com/uploads/posts/image/69834/miley-cyrus.jpg

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  46. The plague has killed millions of people. The SJWs have not killed millions of people. Yet. Unless you count, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot as SJWs.

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    The SJWs have not killed millions of people. Yet. Unless you count, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot as SJWs.
     
    You might not include the big cheeses themselves as the SJW's, but their minions who did all of the killing were very much SJW's. The ones you see today are spitting images, behavior-wise, of the ones that killed for Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin/Lenin, and many places in the 3rd world (ex. "Shining Path" in Peru), except the members of the current crowd really don't have the individual ability, courage, minimal-sense, and, last-but-not-least, firepower, to do anything when the backlash comes.
  47. @MBlanc46
    The plague has killed millions of people. The SJWs have not killed millions of people. Yet. Unless you count, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot as SJWs.

    The SJWs have not killed millions of people. Yet. Unless you count, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot as SJWs.

    You might not include the big cheeses themselves as the SJW’s, but their minions who did all of the killing were very much SJW’s. The ones you see today are spitting images, behavior-wise, of the ones that killed for Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin/Lenin, and many places in the 3rd world (ex. “Shining Path” in Peru), except the members of the current crowd really don’t have the individual ability, courage, minimal-sense, and, last-but-not-least, firepower, to do anything when the backlash comes.

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    • Replies: @Priss Factor
    I would't conflate 'pussy hatters' and 'tranny' nuts with Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.

    Despite their professed 'leftism', they are totally the products of capitalist decadence, consumer narcissism, infantile hedonism, and other silliness.

    I mean what do these idiots stand for? 'Gay marriage'(funded by Hollywood and Wall Street), trannies in the US military(strong-arm of globalist imperialism), and Slut Pride.

    That stuff has NOTHING to do with real leftism.
  48. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Diversity is in fact the cause of most of the world’s troubles.
     
    Obviously you're talking about ethnic diversity here, not the diversity of tastes in music.

    But in fact ethnic diversity is not the cause of most of the world’s troubles. It's just the easiest form of grouping to exploit, for politicians playing the 'divide and conquer' game.

    It’s just the easiest form of grouping to exploit

    No. Racism is adaptive.

    If you’re not a racist your chances (the chances of your genes, that is) of being represented in succeeding generations will be slightly less (all other things being equal) than those of your racist neighbor. So condemn racism if you want, and especially if it psychs out those with whom you are competing for dominion over the earth, but don’t give up being a racist if you wish to be represented in succeeding generations.

    Most white Americans, it seems, despise such selfishness and look forward, apparently, to their own racial extinction. But in name, you sound Chinese, and most Chinese in my experience, are sensible, conservative, and quietly racist, as I therefore assume that you are when you are thinking clearly.

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    If you’re not a racist your chances (the chances of your genes, that is) of being represented in succeeding generations will be slightly less (all other things being equal) than those of your racist neighbor.
     
    Eh... what? What does it have to do with anything I said, who cares about genes, and are you aware that inbreeding (in humans) is not a healthy practice?
  49. @Backwoods Bob
    Until we get rid of government education, we aren't getting rid of social justice warrior mentality.

    With the government child care industry, it's just gotten worse. Kids are in the hands of socialists indoctrinating them from shortly after they are born until full adult-hood.

    We homeschool and each year the school has to let us do a tour as potential students. The kids get to see first-hand the hatred of the teachers for anyone who is on track with places like Shanghai that are years ahead of their domestic cohorts. They get to see the rank idiocy and hypocrisy. Last time we stood in the presence of a Celebrate Diversity poster while they harangued us for how horrible it was to have kids performing above their grade level.

    They want dumbed-down students who can't think for themselves. That's who you can manipulate for teacher-worship while they completely fail to prepare the students for the real world.

    So long as you have government running education you aren't getting rid of this plague.

    The elite wouldn’t allow the government to spend all that money on education without good reason.

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  50. @CanSpeccy

    It’s just the easiest form of grouping to exploit
     
    No. Racism is adaptive.

    If you're not a racist your chances (the chances of your genes, that is) of being represented in succeeding generations will be slightly less (all other things being equal) than those of your racist neighbor. So condemn racism if you want, and especially if it psychs out those with whom you are competing for dominion over the earth, but don't give up being a racist if you wish to be represented in succeeding generations.

    Most white Americans, it seems, despise such selfishness and look forward, apparently, to their own racial extinction. But in name, you sound Chinese, and most Chinese in my experience, are sensible, conservative, and quietly racist, as I therefore assume that you are when you are thinking clearly.

    If you’re not a racist your chances (the chances of your genes, that is) of being represented in succeeding generations will be slightly less (all other things being equal) than those of your racist neighbor.

    Eh… what? What does it have to do with anything I said, who cares about genes, and are you aware that inbreeding (in humans) is not a healthy practice?

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    who cares about genes
     
    Not you apparently.

    But then hypocrisy is an essential part of the conflict among groups, so whether you are an anomaly among Chinese people, or just playing the anti-racism card as part of the group conflict game, I will leave for others to judge.
    , @ThreeCranes
    "who cares about genes, and are you aware that inbreeding (in humans) is not a healthy practice?"

    You may [claim to] not care about genes but genes care about you.

    You, the person sitting at that chair in front of your computer, are just the way genes replicate themselves.

    You are the equivalent of the proverbial "fruiting body" in the lifecycle of a mushroom, the visible manifestation, the sex organ through which the genes divide and recombine in order to create novel genetic combinations. You are a slave to your genes.

    Your comment referring to inbreeding shows that you have a lot of great, informative reading ahead of you (it takes very little novelty to offset inbreeding). See Jayman's blog or HBD chick to get going. Then read the Ethologists of the 1960-70's for an easy introduction to how our genetic, animal nature shapes our human nature.

    Happy hunting! I envy you because you have so much in front of you to explore and learn.
  51. The Black Death had some good side effects – it speeded the end serfdom in England, and gave rise to the first protestant movements (Hussites and Lollards).

    SJWism, on the other hand, is a dead loss.

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  52. Do-gooders could be a pain the ass, but at least they tried to DO some good.

    This new breed of idiots are Feel-Gooders. They foam at the mouth just to feel good about themselves.

    They are pious virtue-supremacists. They don’t understand that virtue-narcissism is a vice.

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  53. @Achmed E. Newman

    The SJWs have not killed millions of people. Yet. Unless you count, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot as SJWs.
     
    You might not include the big cheeses themselves as the SJW's, but their minions who did all of the killing were very much SJW's. The ones you see today are spitting images, behavior-wise, of the ones that killed for Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin/Lenin, and many places in the 3rd world (ex. "Shining Path" in Peru), except the members of the current crowd really don't have the individual ability, courage, minimal-sense, and, last-but-not-least, firepower, to do anything when the backlash comes.

    I would’t conflate ‘pussy hatters’ and ‘tranny’ nuts with Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.

    Despite their professed ‘leftism’, they are totally the products of capitalist decadence, consumer narcissism, infantile hedonism, and other silliness.

    I mean what do these idiots stand for? ‘Gay marriage’(funded by Hollywood and Wall Street), trannies in the US military(strong-arm of globalist imperialism), and Slut Pride.

    That stuff has NOTHING to do with real leftism.

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    I would’t conflate ‘pussy hatters’ and ‘tranny’ nuts with Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.
     
    Right. They're the useful idiots of the Lenin–Stalin–Maoists.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    I am not conflating them with the leaders, but with the followers. I see you don't agree with that either, so let me explain some more. I agree with you these people are idiots. However, the leftists (followers, that is) of the past could not have been particularly bright either (maybe book-smart but with no common sense).

    How could one believe that Marxist/Leninist/Maoist crap if one had paid attention just to life in general back even to the kindergarten years. I mean, when the other kid breaks his toys, you keep yours up, and then you are told you should share, that's when it should come to you - "Hey this is cough, Bullshit, cough, cough!" Then, the teacher says everyone has to do extra clean up because one kid was bad and didn't follow the rules, and you're (in you head) like "WTF?!"

    I can see there are people in this world who took too many not enough sick days during kindergarten or just too many sick days from the school of life.

    The current idiots may not be true lefties, but I do think they would follow a Chairman Mao at the drop of a hat.. yes, they are THAT STUPID. Peak Stupidity is nigh .... repent you dumbasses!

    I agree with you in your reply to CanSpeccy that the hippy-era lefties were in it to party and just to rebel, cause or no cause, because that would lead to getting laid, which is in itself a cause that nobody man can really argue with. You are absolutely right that they were able to lead this protest, drug and free-sex filled life due only to the wealth created by real capitalism. As an example, was following the Dead around in a VW microbus and selling windowpane and bead necklaces financially sustainable? No way, but what a long strange trip it must have been!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0V-hgkknlk

    (may want to start at 01:40 as they messed it up and just started over ;-}
  54. @Mao Cheng Ji

    If you’re not a racist your chances (the chances of your genes, that is) of being represented in succeeding generations will be slightly less (all other things being equal) than those of your racist neighbor.
     
    Eh... what? What does it have to do with anything I said, who cares about genes, and are you aware that inbreeding (in humans) is not a healthy practice?

    who cares about genes

    Not you apparently.

    But then hypocrisy is an essential part of the conflict among groups, so whether you are an anomaly among Chinese people, or just playing the anti-racism card as part of the group conflict game, I will leave for others to judge.

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    I'm not playing any cards. What I said was that ethnic diversity is not the cause of most of the world’s troubles. Which has nothing whatsoever to do with genes.

    But I might add that according to my personal observations no one cares about genes. People love their children, that's all. And they love their adopted children too.

    I take you at your word that you really do care about genes, but you're the first I know; which is why, I admit, it sounds to me like crackpottery...

  55. @Priss Factor
    I would't conflate 'pussy hatters' and 'tranny' nuts with Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.

    Despite their professed 'leftism', they are totally the products of capitalist decadence, consumer narcissism, infantile hedonism, and other silliness.

    I mean what do these idiots stand for? 'Gay marriage'(funded by Hollywood and Wall Street), trannies in the US military(strong-arm of globalist imperialism), and Slut Pride.

    That stuff has NOTHING to do with real leftism.

    I would’t conflate ‘pussy hatters’ and ‘tranny’ nuts with Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.

    Right. They’re the useful idiots of the Lenin–Stalin–Maoists.

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    But what lenin-stalin-maoists?

    Where do you see them?

    60s radicals were more like 'radi-balls'. They were all about sex and drugs and partying. Ball-juggling. It was more about revelry than rebellion or revolution. Revelry was made possible by capitalism. Sure, there is the theme of 'oppression' and etc, but their solutions is just more partying, more orgies(than organization), more drugs, more nonsense.

    Revels are not true rebels, and they have no commitment to any powerful cause. They just like the noise of radiball politics like the noise of rock concerts.

    Today's 'leftists' ought to be called 'leavers' because they took leave of their senses.

  56. @CanSpeccy

    who cares about genes
     
    Not you apparently.

    But then hypocrisy is an essential part of the conflict among groups, so whether you are an anomaly among Chinese people, or just playing the anti-racism card as part of the group conflict game, I will leave for others to judge.

    I’m not playing any cards. What I said was that ethnic diversity is not the cause of most of the world’s troubles. Which has nothing whatsoever to do with genes.

    But I might add that according to my personal observations no one cares about genes. People love their children, that’s all. And they love their adopted children too.

    I take you at your word that you really do care about genes, but you’re the first I know; which is why, I admit, it sounds to me like crackpottery…

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    I’m not playing any cards.
     
    Well every humbug says that.

    And I'm not trying to insult you. I'm just pointing out that hypocrisy is a natural part of every person's self-serving behavior, and it is silly to assume that in a discussion of this kind anyone should or would take your word at face value. For a member of a minority settling in a society of a different majority race, it is logical to take an anti-racist stance, since that best serves their own racist purpose of establishing their own family and group in the alien society.


    ethnic diversity is not the cause of most of the world’s troubles
     
    Who said it was? There is surely no single cause of "most of the world's troubles." But ethnic diversity is certainly the cause of a hell of a lot of troubles for poor indigenous people in places like London, where they have been made a minority in their own home town by often aggressive settler immigrants like these.

    And its a funny thing, but I never heard a Chinese person advocate millions of, say Pakistanis, or Africans, or Syrians moving to China.

    As for


    People love their children, that’s all.
     
    Yes, because (speaking teleologically) their children possess more of their own genes than anyone but themselves and their siblings, which is why J.B.S. Haldane said, in jest, I suppose:

    I would gladly lay down my life for two brothers or eight cousins
     
    or as he might have said, two children (although there the math is complicated by differences in age, future reproductive potential, etc., which explains why many people would probably lay down their life for a single child).

    This kind of behavior is obviously driven by emotion not the counting of genes, but it is emotion shaped by evolution to promote genetic perpetuation. Those who don't feel such emotions are less likely to be represented in future generations — in other words, natural selection insures people will always tend to be racist. They will only cease to be racist if they are domesticated and reduced to the malleable state of cattle or dogs, which appears to be the elite's long-term objective.

  57. @Mao Cheng Ji

    If you’re not a racist your chances (the chances of your genes, that is) of being represented in succeeding generations will be slightly less (all other things being equal) than those of your racist neighbor.
     
    Eh... what? What does it have to do with anything I said, who cares about genes, and are you aware that inbreeding (in humans) is not a healthy practice?

    “who cares about genes, and are you aware that inbreeding (in humans) is not a healthy practice?”

    You may [claim to] not care about genes but genes care about you.

    You, the person sitting at that chair in front of your computer, are just the way genes replicate themselves.

    You are the equivalent of the proverbial “fruiting body” in the lifecycle of a mushroom, the visible manifestation, the sex organ through which the genes divide and recombine in order to create novel genetic combinations. You are a slave to your genes.

    Your comment referring to inbreeding shows that you have a lot of great, informative reading ahead of you (it takes very little novelty to offset inbreeding). See Jayman’s blog or HBD chick to get going. Then read the Ethologists of the 1960-70′s for an easy introduction to how our genetic, animal nature shapes our human nature.

    Happy hunting! I envy you because you have so much in front of you to explore and learn.

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji

    You, the person sitting at that chair in front of your computer, are just the way genes replicate themselves.
     
    You sound like you take the 'genes replicate themselves' stuff way too literally.

    It so happened (a long time ago) is that genes found a way to replicate themselves into high-complexity organisms that adapt to the environment in extremely dynamic and flexible ways. Since then, the genes don't determine much anymore. I don't know about you, but typical human beings form their conscience based on their interaction with the environment, and especially in the course of their social interactions. Sorta like what we're doing here...

  58. @CanSpeccy

    I would’t conflate ‘pussy hatters’ and ‘tranny’ nuts with Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.
     
    Right. They're the useful idiots of the Lenin–Stalin–Maoists.

    But what lenin-stalin-maoists?

    Where do you see them?

    60s radicals were more like ‘radi-balls’. They were all about sex and drugs and partying. Ball-juggling. It was more about revelry than rebellion or revolution. Revelry was made possible by capitalism. Sure, there is the theme of ‘oppression’ and etc, but their solutions is just more partying, more orgies(than organization), more drugs, more nonsense.

    Revels are not true rebels, and they have no commitment to any powerful cause. They just like the noise of radiball politics like the noise of rock concerts.

    Today’s ‘leftists’ ought to be called ‘leavers’ because they took leave of their senses.

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    • Replies: @CanSpeccy

    60s radicals were more like ‘radi-balls’. They were all about sex and drugs and partying.
     
    I don't know about the hippies of that generation, whether they were useful idiots or just free spirits. Although we know that there were plenty of Commie moles in government and education in those day, and some were undoubtedly engaged in subversion:

    Former KGB: The Demoralization, Subversion, & Communist Take Over of America(1983)

    The big difference between then and now seems to be that then the Commies were of the Soviet variety, whereas today they are of the NeoCon variety.

  59. Does anyone have any suggestions for dealing with these crazed losers?

    If it were up to me, I would be like Francisco Franco and get rid of all of the good-for-nothing colleges and public schools. I would also take control of the press and force them to publish all of the lethal antics that Muslims and blacks take part in.

    But I don’t think this will get rid of the SJW’s alone. I have blogged before on why I think so much of America’s youth is politically sensitive and to the left. I think the problem will continue for some time.

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    • Replies: @Anon
    How about using their crazy themes for capitalism?

    Wheel of Fortune for SJW's where they can 'buy a vowel' for new gender pronouns of their making.

    SJW casinos where slot machines pay big when three faces of Bruce Caitlyn Jenner fall together.

    How about SJW sports where teams are named 'gays', 'trannies', and 'undocumented immigrants'?
  60. @Mao Cheng Ji
    I'm not playing any cards. What I said was that ethnic diversity is not the cause of most of the world’s troubles. Which has nothing whatsoever to do with genes.

    But I might add that according to my personal observations no one cares about genes. People love their children, that's all. And they love their adopted children too.

    I take you at your word that you really do care about genes, but you're the first I know; which is why, I admit, it sounds to me like crackpottery...

    I’m not playing any cards.

    Well every humbug says that.

    And I’m not trying to insult you. I’m just pointing out that hypocrisy is a natural part of every person’s self-serving behavior, and it is silly to assume that in a discussion of this kind anyone should or would take your word at face value. For a member of a minority settling in a society of a different majority race, it is logical to take an anti-racist stance, since that best serves their own racist purpose of establishing their own family and group in the alien society.

    ethnic diversity is not the cause of most of the world’s troubles

    Who said it was? There is surely no single cause of “most of the world’s troubles.” But ethnic diversity is certainly the cause of a hell of a lot of troubles for poor indigenous people in places like London, where they have been made a minority in their own home town by often aggressive settler immigrants like these.

    And its a funny thing, but I never heard a Chinese person advocate millions of, say Pakistanis, or Africans, or Syrians moving to China.

    As for

    People love their children, that’s all.

    Yes, because (speaking teleologically) their children possess more of their own genes than anyone but themselves and their siblings, which is why J.B.S. Haldane said, in jest, I suppose:

    I would gladly lay down my life for two brothers or eight cousins

    or as he might have said, two children (although there the math is complicated by differences in age, future reproductive potential, etc., which explains why many people would probably lay down their life for a single child).

    This kind of behavior is obviously driven by emotion not the counting of genes, but it is emotion shaped by evolution to promote genetic perpetuation. Those who don’t feel such emotions are less likely to be represented in future generations — in other words, natural selection insures people will always tend to be racist. They will only cease to be racist if they are domesticated and reduced to the malleable state of cattle or dogs, which appears to be the elite’s long-term objective.

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    Yes, because (speaking teleologically) their children possess more of their own genes than anyone but themselves and their siblings
     
    Maybe for you it's the reason, but, like I said, you're very unusual. For the rest of us it's completely different reasons: parenting, raising them from when they were babies, you know.

    I would gladly lay down my life for two brothers or eight cousins
     
    That's just plain weird. If someone you're never seen before comes to you with a proof that he's your eight cousin, you'll lay down your life for him? Sounds like some sort of honor culture, and not particularly European. More like middle-eastern. Although I suppose some southern hillbillies in America might sill have some of that too. Rural Appalachia, is that your background?
  61. @Priss Factor
    But what lenin-stalin-maoists?

    Where do you see them?

    60s radicals were more like 'radi-balls'. They were all about sex and drugs and partying. Ball-juggling. It was more about revelry than rebellion or revolution. Revelry was made possible by capitalism. Sure, there is the theme of 'oppression' and etc, but their solutions is just more partying, more orgies(than organization), more drugs, more nonsense.

    Revels are not true rebels, and they have no commitment to any powerful cause. They just like the noise of radiball politics like the noise of rock concerts.

    Today's 'leftists' ought to be called 'leavers' because they took leave of their senses.

    60s radicals were more like ‘radi-balls’. They were all about sex and drugs and partying.

    I don’t know about the hippies of that generation, whether they were useful idiots or just free spirits. Although we know that there were plenty of Commie moles in government and education in those day, and some were undoubtedly engaged in subversion:

    Former KGB: The Demoralization, Subversion, & Communist Take Over of America(1983)

    The big difference between then and now seems to be that then the Commies were of the Soviet variety, whereas today they are of the NeoCon variety.

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    Here's the problem with that KGB theory.

    All that consumer decadence made the US more powerful and culturally hegemonic.

    If any part of the world was destroyed by infiltration of western pop culture, it was the communist east.

    Some argue that communists tried to use decadence to bring down capitalism.

    It's true that decadence morally degrades capitalist societies, but they also grow rich and powerful from them because people are addicted to fun and vice.

    But communists couldn't handle that stuff, and they had no means to keep it out. Even with all the censorship, youth culture and etc were seeping into the Soviet Empire.
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    @Gene Su
    Does anyone have any suggestions for dealing with these crazed losers?

    If it were up to me, I would be like Francisco Franco and get rid of all of the good-for-nothing colleges and public schools. I would also take control of the press and force them to publish all of the lethal antics that Muslims and blacks take part in.

    But I don't think this will get rid of the SJW's alone. I have blogged before on why I think so much of America's youth is politically sensitive and to the left. I think the problem will continue for some time.

    How about using their crazy themes for capitalism?

    Wheel of Fortune for SJW’s where they can ‘buy a vowel’ for new gender pronouns of their making.

    SJW casinos where slot machines pay big when three faces of Bruce Caitlyn Jenner fall together.

    How about SJW sports where teams are named ‘gays’, ‘trannies’, and ‘undocumented immigrants’?

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  63. @CanSpeccy

    60s radicals were more like ‘radi-balls’. They were all about sex and drugs and partying.
     
    I don't know about the hippies of that generation, whether they were useful idiots or just free spirits. Although we know that there were plenty of Commie moles in government and education in those day, and some were undoubtedly engaged in subversion:

    Former KGB: The Demoralization, Subversion, & Communist Take Over of America(1983)

    The big difference between then and now seems to be that then the Commies were of the Soviet variety, whereas today they are of the NeoCon variety.

    Here’s the problem with that KGB theory.

    All that consumer decadence made the US more powerful and culturally hegemonic.

    If any part of the world was destroyed by infiltration of western pop culture, it was the communist east.

    Some argue that communists tried to use decadence to bring down capitalism.

    It’s true that decadence morally degrades capitalist societies, but they also grow rich and powerful from them because people are addicted to fun and vice.

    But communists couldn’t handle that stuff, and they had no means to keep it out. Even with all the censorship, youth culture and etc were seeping into the Soviet Empire.

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    Here’s the problem with that KGB theory.
     
    What is the problem? I don't see it.

    True the US outlived the Soviet Union which had its own problems, but take a look at the US today. The economy has been hollowed out and is stagnant or shrinking, while China's economy (remember the Chinese are Commies still) continues to double ever ten years. Meantime, the white working class in America and in Europe is dying of despair accelerated by drug abuse, while the youth of the nation is being brainwashed into a condition of aggressive imbecility.

    The problem for the Soviets was not decadence but disillusionment and a command economy that didn't work: there were endless shortages, oil spills, nuclear disasters and clunky electronics. The Chinese Communists have kept their hands on the levers of power while adopting a fascist economic model that has made the trains run on time, and lined the pockets of the top Commies.
  64. @hyperbola
    Israeli hasbara. You will know them by those with whom they associate.

    Rwanda is Without Doubt a Friend of Israel – Kagame tells AIPAC
    http://ktpress.rw/2017/03/rwanda-is-without-doubt-a-friend-of-israel-kagame-tells-aipac/

    Israel’s African Darling: Paul Kagame: An Interview with Robin Philpot
    https://www.blackagendareport.com/kagame_israel%27s_darling
    Rwandan dictator Paul Kagame, who recently addressed AIPAC, in Washington DC, is Israel’s favorite African, a man the Zionists permit to use the term “genocide.” Both nations claim their wounds give them a special status in the world. “Rwanda and Uganda could be called mad dog states -- they’re highly militarized, and they serve as sheriffs for the U.S. at the same time as they pursue their own interests.”....

    Israel: We love thee Paul Kagame
    https://rehmat1.com/2017/03/31/israel-we-love-thee-paul-kagame/
    On March 26, Rwandan military dictator Paul Kagame, known as Butcher of the Great Lakes, became the first African ruler to address America’s most powerful lobby group AIPAC, in Washington DC, on behalf of Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He is the only non-Jewish leader who is allowed to invoke word Holocaust or genocide for people other than Jews by the organized Jewry.

    Paul Kagame was also honored with Casino Mafia Foundation’s Dr. Miriam and Sheldon Adelson Prize for Outstanding Friendship with Israel – or a friendship between two genocidal regimes by The World Values Network founded by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. ...

    Oh, it’s Rehmat. Little surprise.

    The “Kagame is a Zionist puppet” notion fails the simple reality check of Israel having zero strategic interest in controlling a tiny landlocked country in sub-Saharan Africa with no natural resources.

    Rhetoric aside there is very little of substance to the Israel-Rwanda relationship apart from a deal where Israel gets to deport its African migrants there in exchange for cash payments to Rwanda.

    Being a tiny landlocked country in sub-Saharan Africa with no natural resources, they can’t do afford to be choosy when it comes to ways of making a buck.

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  65. @Priss Factor
    I would't conflate 'pussy hatters' and 'tranny' nuts with Lenin, Stalin, and Mao.

    Despite their professed 'leftism', they are totally the products of capitalist decadence, consumer narcissism, infantile hedonism, and other silliness.

    I mean what do these idiots stand for? 'Gay marriage'(funded by Hollywood and Wall Street), trannies in the US military(strong-arm of globalist imperialism), and Slut Pride.

    That stuff has NOTHING to do with real leftism.

    I am not conflating them with the leaders, but with the followers. I see you don’t agree with that either, so let me explain some more. I agree with you these people are idiots. However, the leftists (followers, that is) of the past could not have been particularly bright either (maybe book-smart but with no common sense).

    How could one believe that Marxist/Leninist/Maoist crap if one had paid attention just to life in general back even to the kindergarten years. I mean, when the other kid breaks his toys, you keep yours up, and then you are told you should share, that’s when it should come to you – “Hey this is cough, Bullshit, cough, cough!” Then, the teacher says everyone has to do extra clean up because one kid was bad and didn’t follow the rules, and you’re (in you head) like “WTF?!”

    I can see there are people in this world who took too many not enough sick days during kindergarten or just too many sick days from the school of life.

    The current idiots may not be true lefties, but I do think they would follow a Chairman Mao at the drop of a hat.. yes, they are THAT STUPID. Peak Stupidity is nigh …. repent you dumbasses!

    I agree with you in your reply to CanSpeccy that the hippy-era lefties were in it to party and just to rebel, cause or no cause, because that would lead to getting laid, which is in itself a cause that nobody man can really argue with. You are absolutely right that they were able to lead this protest, drug and free-sex filled life due only to the wealth created by real capitalism. As an example, was following the Dead around in a VW microbus and selling windowpane and bead necklaces financially sustainable? No way, but what a long strange trip it must have been!

    (may want to start at 01:40 as they messed it up and just started over ;-}

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    "I agree with you these people are idiots. However, the leftists (followers, that is) of the past could not have been particularly bright either (maybe book-smart but with no common sense). How could one believe that Marxist/Leninist/Maoist crap if one had paid attention just to life in general back even to the kindergarten years."

    Times were different then. Working conditions were terrible. There were few benefits. Capitalists and aristocracy got nations embroiled in horrible wars. Even basic necessities of sustenance weren't assured to all the people. Also, as there hadn't been communism yet, it was as yet free of historical 'sin'.

    "The current idiots may not be true lefties, but I do think they would follow a Chairman Mao at the drop of a hat.. yes, they are THAT STUPID."

    No, they are materialistic, hedonistic, and decadent for spartan & puritanical sacrifice. Their radicalism is spoiled and cynical. More about ego than selflessness.

    This isn't true leftism:

    https://twitter.com/Communism_Kills/status/848319249747775490

  66. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4672305/

    Sci Rep. 2015; 5: 17963.
    Published online 2015 Dec 8. doi: 10.1038/srep17963
    PMCID: PMC4672305
    The Inevitability of Ethnocentrism Revisited: Ethnocentrism Diminishes As Mobility Increases
    Soham De,b,1 Michele J. Gelfand,a,2 Dana Nau,3 and Patrick Roos1
    Abstract
    Nearly all major conflicts across the globe, both current and historical, are characterized by individuals defining themselves and others by group membership. This existence of group-biased behavior (in-group favoring and out-group hostile) has been well established empirically, and has been shown to be an inevitable outcome in many evolutionary studies. Thus it is puzzling that statistics show violence and out-group conflict declining dramatically over the past few centuries of human civilization. Using evolutionary game-theoretic models, we solve this puzzle by showing for the first time that out-group hostility is dramatically reduced by mobility. Technological and societal advances over the past centuries have greatly increased the degree to which humans change physical locations, and our results show that in highly mobile societies, one’s choice of action is more likely to depend on what individual one is interacting with, rather than the group to which the individual belongs. Our empirical analysis of archival data verifies that contexts with high residential mobility indeed have less out-group hostility than those with low mobility. This work suggests that, in fact, group-biased behavior that discriminates against out-groups is not inevitable after all.

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  67. @hyperbola
    Israeli hasbara. You will know them by those with whom they associate.

    Rwanda is Without Doubt a Friend of Israel – Kagame tells AIPAC
    http://ktpress.rw/2017/03/rwanda-is-without-doubt-a-friend-of-israel-kagame-tells-aipac/

    Israel’s African Darling: Paul Kagame: An Interview with Robin Philpot
    https://www.blackagendareport.com/kagame_israel%27s_darling
    Rwandan dictator Paul Kagame, who recently addressed AIPAC, in Washington DC, is Israel’s favorite African, a man the Zionists permit to use the term “genocide.” Both nations claim their wounds give them a special status in the world. “Rwanda and Uganda could be called mad dog states -- they’re highly militarized, and they serve as sheriffs for the U.S. at the same time as they pursue their own interests.”....

    Israel: We love thee Paul Kagame
    https://rehmat1.com/2017/03/31/israel-we-love-thee-paul-kagame/
    On March 26, Rwandan military dictator Paul Kagame, known as Butcher of the Great Lakes, became the first African ruler to address America’s most powerful lobby group AIPAC, in Washington DC, on behalf of Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. He is the only non-Jewish leader who is allowed to invoke word Holocaust or genocide for people other than Jews by the organized Jewry.

    Paul Kagame was also honored with Casino Mafia Foundation’s Dr. Miriam and Sheldon Adelson Prize for Outstanding Friendship with Israel – or a friendship between two genocidal regimes by The World Values Network founded by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach. ...

    Fascinating, is there really someone called
    Shmuley Boteach?
    What a profoundly ugly name.

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    And Scmuley is a profoundly ugly person, in more ways than one
  68. @Priss Factor
    Here's the problem with that KGB theory.

    All that consumer decadence made the US more powerful and culturally hegemonic.

    If any part of the world was destroyed by infiltration of western pop culture, it was the communist east.

    Some argue that communists tried to use decadence to bring down capitalism.

    It's true that decadence morally degrades capitalist societies, but they also grow rich and powerful from them because people are addicted to fun and vice.

    But communists couldn't handle that stuff, and they had no means to keep it out. Even with all the censorship, youth culture and etc were seeping into the Soviet Empire.

    Here’s the problem with that KGB theory.

    What is the problem? I don’t see it.

    True the US outlived the Soviet Union which had its own problems, but take a look at the US today. The economy has been hollowed out and is stagnant or shrinking, while China’s economy (remember the Chinese are Commies still) continues to double ever ten years. Meantime, the white working class in America and in Europe is dying of despair accelerated by drug abuse, while the youth of the nation is being brainwashed into a condition of aggressive imbecility.

    The problem for the Soviets was not decadence but disillusionment and a command economy that didn’t work: there were endless shortages, oil spills, nuclear disasters and clunky electronics. The Chinese Communists have kept their hands on the levers of power while adopting a fascist economic model that has made the trains run on time, and lined the pockets of the top Commies.

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  69. @Achmed E. Newman
    I am not conflating them with the leaders, but with the followers. I see you don't agree with that either, so let me explain some more. I agree with you these people are idiots. However, the leftists (followers, that is) of the past could not have been particularly bright either (maybe book-smart but with no common sense).

    How could one believe that Marxist/Leninist/Maoist crap if one had paid attention just to life in general back even to the kindergarten years. I mean, when the other kid breaks his toys, you keep yours up, and then you are told you should share, that's when it should come to you - "Hey this is cough, Bullshit, cough, cough!" Then, the teacher says everyone has to do extra clean up because one kid was bad and didn't follow the rules, and you're (in you head) like "WTF?!"

    I can see there are people in this world who took too many not enough sick days during kindergarten or just too many sick days from the school of life.

    The current idiots may not be true lefties, but I do think they would follow a Chairman Mao at the drop of a hat.. yes, they are THAT STUPID. Peak Stupidity is nigh .... repent you dumbasses!

    I agree with you in your reply to CanSpeccy that the hippy-era lefties were in it to party and just to rebel, cause or no cause, because that would lead to getting laid, which is in itself a cause that nobody man can really argue with. You are absolutely right that they were able to lead this protest, drug and free-sex filled life due only to the wealth created by real capitalism. As an example, was following the Dead around in a VW microbus and selling windowpane and bead necklaces financially sustainable? No way, but what a long strange trip it must have been!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0V-hgkknlk

    (may want to start at 01:40 as they messed it up and just started over ;-}

    “I agree with you these people are idiots. However, the leftists (followers, that is) of the past could not have been particularly bright either (maybe book-smart but with no common sense). How could one believe that Marxist/Leninist/Maoist crap if one had paid attention just to life in general back even to the kindergarten years.”

    Times were different then. Working conditions were terrible. There were few benefits. Capitalists and aristocracy got nations embroiled in horrible wars. Even basic necessities of sustenance weren’t assured to all the people. Also, as there hadn’t been communism yet, it was as yet free of historical ‘sin’.

    “The current idiots may not be true lefties, but I do think they would follow a Chairman Mao at the drop of a hat.. yes, they are THAT STUPID.”

    No, they are materialistic, hedonistic, and decadent for spartan & puritanical sacrifice. Their radicalism is spoiled and cynical. More about ego than selflessness.

    This isn’t true leftism:

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    OK, PF, I'll grant you that point. I shouldn't have used the word "leftists". The SJW term is too cumbersome if you ask me. One could just say "radicals", but there are good radicals and bad radicals. What term would you suggest for the idiots in your video?


    No, they are materialistic, hedonistic, and decadent for spartan & puritanical sacrifice. Their radicalism is spoiled and cynical. More about ego than selflessness.
     
    I think they are indeed spoiled, but I maintain that they would follow some whacked out Commie to the ends of the earth if given a chance. These people are so stupid they don't know what they believe in - but that's just it "You better stand for something, or you're gonna fall for anything", in the words of John Cougar, sung from his melon camp somewhere in the vicinity of Seymour, Indiana.
  70. @Priss Factor
    "I agree with you these people are idiots. However, the leftists (followers, that is) of the past could not have been particularly bright either (maybe book-smart but with no common sense). How could one believe that Marxist/Leninist/Maoist crap if one had paid attention just to life in general back even to the kindergarten years."

    Times were different then. Working conditions were terrible. There were few benefits. Capitalists and aristocracy got nations embroiled in horrible wars. Even basic necessities of sustenance weren't assured to all the people. Also, as there hadn't been communism yet, it was as yet free of historical 'sin'.

    "The current idiots may not be true lefties, but I do think they would follow a Chairman Mao at the drop of a hat.. yes, they are THAT STUPID."

    No, they are materialistic, hedonistic, and decadent for spartan & puritanical sacrifice. Their radicalism is spoiled and cynical. More about ego than selflessness.

    This isn't true leftism:

    https://twitter.com/Communism_Kills/status/848319249747775490

    OK, PF, I’ll grant you that point. I shouldn’t have used the word “leftists”. The SJW term is too cumbersome if you ask me. One could just say “radicals”, but there are good radicals and bad radicals. What term would you suggest for the idiots in your video?

    No, they are materialistic, hedonistic, and decadent for spartan & puritanical sacrifice. Their radicalism is spoiled and cynical. More about ego than selflessness.

    I think they are indeed spoiled, but I maintain that they would follow some whacked out Commie to the ends of the earth if given a chance. These people are so stupid they don’t know what they believe in – but that’s just it “You better stand for something, or you’re gonna fall for anything“, in the words of John Cougar, sung from his melon camp somewhere in the vicinity of Seymour, Indiana.

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  71. @Wiremu
    Fascinating, is there really someone called
    Shmuley Boteach?
    What a profoundly ugly name.

    And Scmuley is a profoundly ugly person, in more ways than one

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  72. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Diversity can be done well, or not well.
     
    I don't what that means, how 'diversity' can be 'done'. All I'm saying is that under normal circumstances a typical normal person would not care if his neighbor has an accent or whatever. And if does begin to annoy, then there has to be an underlying issue, usually economics. Your life is getting worse, and the elites find someone to blame.

    I think you have been a bit curmudgeonly and verbally pedantic with animalogic without actually disagreeing.

    That said, your pointing to the economic factor is spot on. I recall a time during a boom in mining stocks when I was waxing indignant about the behaviour of some mining entrepreneurs eho seemed to be effectively stealing from their listed company and the fact that I couldn’t get people interested. A wise old company lawyer/QC observed that “when everyone’s making money no one minds someone stealing a bit”. I would extend that thinking to what it takes to maintain a democracy even in the limited sense in which the US had been a democracy (votes of a fairly large proportion of the population can force a peaceful change of the people in government).

    Once you have the ignorant masses losing trust in the much better informed and well connected who should be able to be trusted to govern with reasonable fairness and competence you will have to put up with loud ignorant populists, conspiracy theorists, would-be Messiahs etc whom reallife voters can’t possibly assess in terms of relevant competence or honesty.

    IMO globalisation should have been fine if the US government hadn’t squandered the country’s wealth on wars and allowing America’s healthcare (which isn’t even good for most people) to cost an extra 8 per cent of GDP beyond what other countries prove is necessary.

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    I think you have been a bit curmudgeonly and verbally pedantic with animalogic without actually disagreeing.
     
    Well, whether ethnic heterogeneity is the root cause of most troubles or it isn't - this seems like an interesting and important question.

    I'd go further, and say that new distinct ethnic groups emerge from different socioeconomic classes. Suppose you start with a completely homogeneous society: white, anglo, protestant, for example. There's no one else. It'll soon separate into 3 basic classes: the elite, the middle-class, the underclass. And after a while, each group will acquire its own distinct ethnic characteristics: mannerisms, dialects, ethics, tastes in clothes, food, music - the culture. As described by Pierre Bourdieu. And so soon enough you have 3 different - and conflicting - ethnic groups. Your attempt at ethnic homogeneity fails.


    I would extend that thinking to what it takes to maintain a democracy even in the limited sense in which the US had been a democracy (votes of a fairly large proportion of the population can force a peaceful change of the people in government).
     
    I don't think I believe in 'representative democracy' anymore. You vote for a person - why would you expect any systemic change from that? You'll just have a different person operating within the same framework. Only very minor, totally inconsequential changes may come from that.
  73. @ThreeCranes
    In Konrad Lorenz’ “On Agression”, he observed that most of the fighting amongst reef fish was intraspecies. Since diverse species of fish exploited different ecological niches they had no beef with one another and lived in mutual harmony just as, he says, a plumber and a lawyer live happily side by side.

    But let a member of one’s own species intrude and this poses a threat that is met with violent resistance. Losing one’s territory to a member of one’s own species means starvation in addition to the near-zero likelihood of reproducing oneself. So natural selection has ensured that we have enough spunk to protect both our territorial niche and our offspring. If we didn’t or don’t, we cease to exist.

    Liberals—college grads all—are not threatened by low-skill Hispanic immigrant labor. They don’t compete for resources in the same economic niche. But roofers, carpenters, tile layers, dry wallers and factory workers are in competition with Mexican scabs. It’s simple biology then for them to fight to protect their territory. This has nothing to do with being “deplorable” and everything to do with the instinctual drive for survival.

    Once again Liberals prove by their selfish social engineering that they never learned about Charles Darwin and his intellectual offspring or thought through the implications of his Ideas. They are fundamentally Christians who don’t believe in a literal God but do believe in Sunday school nostrums they picked up as children. As they themselves brag, “Everything I need to know I learned in Kindergarten”.

    And once again, Liberals in downplaying instinctual drives display just how uncomfortable they are with the notion that humans are part of the natural world. For a Liberal, we’re always supposed to be above our animal nature. Odd coming from those who fancy themselves nature lovers and environmentalists, isn’t it?

    They are fundamentally Christians who don’t believe in a literal God but do believe in Sunday school nostrums

    The God of the Bible separated His people at the Tower of Babel, after they had formed a one world-one language society. We are living in this paradigm once again as we hurtle towards the NWO and the Tribulation.

    This is fundamental.

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  74. @Achmed E. Newman
    Great comment Backwoods Bob. I think parents can get away without homeschooling in the first few elementary years (at least where I live), as they have a hard time holding him back at school, as the kid' levels vary quite a bit anyway. After that, we hope to homeschool, and I have admiration for anyone who does.

    So long as you have government running education you aren’t getting rid of this plague.
     
    Substitute anything besides, arguably, the army, navy, air force, and marines in there for "education" and this still rings true. Government is the plague.

    Achmed, school is only a couple of hours a day for us, but it is seven days a week.

    Our philosophy started from the observation that Shanghai kids graduate four academic years ahead of out local school.

    We figured you can’t make up for that by starting behind and trying to catch up. So we read a lot of peer-reviewed science literature on early infant learning. I sang the ABC song through mommy’s womb every day, so homeschool began before birth.

    By the time our oldest reached kindergarten age, he was five years ahead of his peers. At age six, he tested 13th grade (Freshman college) in reading. He’s seven now, and just started calculus, having zipped through some basic algebra first. His younger brother isn’t quite as talented but is doing 3rd grade math at kindergarten.

    We had no idea the results would be this incredible, and it makes us wonder what the hell the government schools do with their time. We have looked carefully at their curriculum and it is all politically correct indoctrination. But eight hours a day? In kindergarten locally, they learn to count to 20. One number every few weeks I guess.

    You don’t need to be this far ahead, nor did we plan for it. But our experience shows you can be many, many years ahead of these retards in the government schools if you start early and do a small amount each and every day. We probably miss ten days a year at most and the kids have most of each day to do whatever they want, so school is no burden at all for them.

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    ' I sang the ABC song through mommy’s womb every day, so homeschool began before birth. By the time our oldest reached kindergarten age, he was five years ahead of his peers. At age six, he tested 13th grade (Freshman college) in reading. He’s seven now, and just started calculus, having zipped through some basic algebra first.'

    whoa there! i agree with homeschooling (we're doing it too), but one of MY main complaints about the schools and society in general is its uber competitiveness. i realize nearly everyone disagrees. but you may be harming your children. i mostly go with my gut so don't have any stats to back me up, but i think in the first 7 years at least play is really the only thing. i do need to look into it more. but such a hyper competitive world! i always wonder, for what? i mean, is math SO important? if so, how come almost no one remembers any? and singing the abc's in the womb? i get the sentiment, i thought along similar lines, but are the abc's actually important? so much is askew in our 'society', i don't know where to begin. we are certainly overhauling all previous notions of EVERYTHING, education included, so we're just at the beginning of it.
  75. @Authenticjazzman
    " Teacher worship" amen bro, and this being one facet of the total " authority worship" phenomena in US society, which is really a reflection of german society in these regards, as the germans " worship" judges, barristers, clergy, politicians, ( they scream on and on about DT not being an authentic "Politician" ) professors, teachers, journalists, in other words the most dubious societal BS artists are the objects of german "authority" worship, and the same hopeless situation prevails in the US.
    Revealingly in Italy, a sane place for the most part, the greetings "bon giorno professore" or "Bon giorno dottore" are employed amongst unacademic parties, in a manner of jest, which would be a desecration of said titles and unthinkable in Germany.
    Until the US gets down to business as to neutralizing the marxist "professor/teacher " scenario, there will no end to the mayhem and pandemonia and then ultimately the demise of the nation.

    Authenticjazzman " mensa" society member of since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

    PS in current leftist/gutmenschen Germany the most reviled citizen is : The soldier.

    The teacher woship is no exaggeration either, Jazzman.

    On their doors they have posted “The Incredible Mr. Smith”. “The Amazing Mrs. Jones”. Etc. Except that the amazing Mrs. Jones is the head teacher, concentration math supposedly, and doesn’t know the Pythagorean Theorem. She sneered at our six year old for reciting it. She claimed it was of no practical use, but then would not let him explain how you can use it to find the length of a board for a roof truss. Not just a stupid teacher, but one who is outright antagonistic towards her own teaching specialization.

    I don’t think people have any idea how horrible it has gotten in the government schools. The only thing the local PTA does is raise money for the Halloween spook house and candy give-away.

    Our electric co-op has a donation program where you can give money to fund solar panels for whoever wants them. It pays for the panels, poles, utility boxes, labor, and a meter to show how much electricity it has produced. Theschool got one. The principal ordered all the chairs be put out in the parking lot on dedication day. She had a podium with a microphone for herself. Balloons, ribbons, and a photographer. They made it the centerpiece of their entire program that year, claiming they had donated this to the community, not vice-versa, and everyone in the world could learn from them. An outright lie. Not one person in the school did a damned thing, nor donated anything – and they were all cheering themselves for how virtuous they were.

    In the meantime, you can log on to web pages run by hundreds of schools with solar panels and get all kinds of data on power output in real time. These teachers and administrators are such ignoramuses that they don’t even know. They are behind other schools by years and think they are in first place.

    That’s how you produce Social Justice Warriors who only know how to virtue signal and take credit for something other people do for you.

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  76. @CanSpeccy

    I’m not playing any cards.
     
    Well every humbug says that.

    And I'm not trying to insult you. I'm just pointing out that hypocrisy is a natural part of every person's self-serving behavior, and it is silly to assume that in a discussion of this kind anyone should or would take your word at face value. For a member of a minority settling in a society of a different majority race, it is logical to take an anti-racist stance, since that best serves their own racist purpose of establishing their own family and group in the alien society.


    ethnic diversity is not the cause of most of the world’s troubles
     
    Who said it was? There is surely no single cause of "most of the world's troubles." But ethnic diversity is certainly the cause of a hell of a lot of troubles for poor indigenous people in places like London, where they have been made a minority in their own home town by often aggressive settler immigrants like these.

    And its a funny thing, but I never heard a Chinese person advocate millions of, say Pakistanis, or Africans, or Syrians moving to China.

    As for


    People love their children, that’s all.
     
    Yes, because (speaking teleologically) their children possess more of their own genes than anyone but themselves and their siblings, which is why J.B.S. Haldane said, in jest, I suppose:

    I would gladly lay down my life for two brothers or eight cousins
     
    or as he might have said, two children (although there the math is complicated by differences in age, future reproductive potential, etc., which explains why many people would probably lay down their life for a single child).

    This kind of behavior is obviously driven by emotion not the counting of genes, but it is emotion shaped by evolution to promote genetic perpetuation. Those who don't feel such emotions are less likely to be represented in future generations — in other words, natural selection insures people will always tend to be racist. They will only cease to be racist if they are domesticated and reduced to the malleable state of cattle or dogs, which appears to be the elite's long-term objective.

    Yes, because (speaking teleologically) their children possess more of their own genes than anyone but themselves and their siblings

    Maybe for you it’s the reason, but, like I said, you’re very unusual. For the rest of us it’s completely different reasons: parenting, raising them from when they were babies, you know.

    I would gladly lay down my life for two brothers or eight cousins

    That’s just plain weird. If someone you’re never seen before comes to you with a proof that he’s your eight cousin, you’ll lay down your life for him? Sounds like some sort of honor culture, and not particularly European. More like middle-eastern. Although I suppose some southern hillbillies in America might sill have some of that too. Rural Appalachia, is that your background?

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    Maybe for you it’s the reason, but, like I said, you’re very unusual. For the rest of us it’s completely different reasons: parenting, raising them from when they were babies, you know.
     
    It is true that I am unusual in having some slight knowledge about the evolutionary springs of human action. But your actions are driven by emotion in the same way as are mine and those of every other person, and those emotions are shaped by evolution. Hence your innate racism, which you confess so far as children are concerned, and which is almost certainly exhibited also in your behavior toward more distant family members and your own racial group. At least, if as you name implies, you are of Chinese descent, you would be a very unusual Chinese not to have some preference for other Chinese over the rest of mankind.
  77. @Wizard of Oz
    I think you have been a bit curmudgeonly and verbally pedantic with animalogic without actually disagreeing.

    That said, your pointing to the economic factor is spot on. I recall a time during a boom in mining stocks when I was waxing indignant about the behaviour of some mining entrepreneurs eho seemed to be effectively stealing from their listed company and the fact that I couldn't get people interested. A wise old company lawyer/QC observed that "when everyone's making money no one minds someone stealing a bit". I would extend that thinking to what it takes to maintain a democracy even in the limited sense in which the US had been a democracy (votes of a fairly large proportion of the population can force a peaceful change of the people in government).

    Once you have the ignorant masses losing trust in the much better informed and well connected who should be able to be trusted to govern with reasonable fairness and competence you will have to put up with loud ignorant populists, conspiracy theorists, would-be Messiahs etc whom reallife voters can't possibly assess in terms of relevant competence or honesty.

    IMO globalisation should have been fine if the US government hadn't squandered the country's wealth on wars and allowing America's healthcare (which isn't even good for most people) to cost an extra 8 per cent of GDP beyond what other countries prove is necessary.

    I think you have been a bit curmudgeonly and verbally pedantic with animalogic without actually disagreeing.

    Well, whether ethnic heterogeneity is the root cause of most troubles or it isn’t – this seems like an interesting and important question.

    I’d go further, and say that new distinct ethnic groups emerge from different socioeconomic classes. Suppose you start with a completely homogeneous society: white, anglo, protestant, for example. There’s no one else. It’ll soon separate into 3 basic classes: the elite, the middle-class, the underclass. And after a while, each group will acquire its own distinct ethnic characteristics: mannerisms, dialects, ethics, tastes in clothes, food, music – the culture. As described by Pierre Bourdieu. And so soon enough you have 3 different – and conflicting – ethnic groups. Your attempt at ethnic homogeneity fails.

    I would extend that thinking to what it takes to maintain a democracy even in the limited sense in which the US had been a democracy (votes of a fairly large proportion of the population can force a peaceful change of the people in government).

    I don’t think I believe in ‘representative democracy’ anymore. You vote for a person – why would you expect any systemic change from that? You’ll just have a different person operating within the same framework. Only very minor, totally inconsequential changes may come from that.

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    "Only very minor, totally inconsequential changes may come from that". Sounds OK to me given the "crooked timber" available to vote for :-)

    Actually I see something very significant in your "You vote for a person". That is not the way it is in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, or Japan, perhaps India, Singapore and maybe quite a few others. There you vote for a party which normally tries pretty hard to carry out its program and that program usually contains quite a few elements that those who vote for it care about (partly because of market research with focus groups).
  78. When dealing with Proglodytes, it’s best not to approach them as individuals with agency of thought and critical mindset. It’s best to see them as mind-infected, psycolonized, or ‘possessed’.

    Demon-possessed Regan in THE EXORCIST was no longer herself. She was taken over the Devil.
    It would have made no sense for the priests to act as though they were really talking to her as a free-thinking person. Her young impressionable mind was taken over by the Devil.

    Progs are possessed by some demon GLOB spirit.
    And it is that demon-spirit in them that we must address. Progs are mere carriers of this disease. Notice how all they sound and act alike. It’s like they caught the same Flu. It’s the
    Globonic Plague.

    They are zombie-like minions… just like Red Guards in China were infected with Maoitis. It would have made no sense to treat every Little-Red-Book-toting-and-quoting Mao-pet as a free independent thinker. Once Maoitis passed away from society, notice how all the infected lost the fever.

    The reason why GLOB is tricky is it fools these minions into thinking they are free, liberated, independent, and empowered by casting off the basics of morality, integrity, responsibility, sobriety, and etc. But once young ones surrender those qualities as ‘reactionary’, they are not free and left with a void and vacuum that, in need of meaning, is filled up with every fad or fashion of PC.

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  79. @ThreeCranes
    "who cares about genes, and are you aware that inbreeding (in humans) is not a healthy practice?"

    You may [claim to] not care about genes but genes care about you.

    You, the person sitting at that chair in front of your computer, are just the way genes replicate themselves.

    You are the equivalent of the proverbial "fruiting body" in the lifecycle of a mushroom, the visible manifestation, the sex organ through which the genes divide and recombine in order to create novel genetic combinations. You are a slave to your genes.

    Your comment referring to inbreeding shows that you have a lot of great, informative reading ahead of you (it takes very little novelty to offset inbreeding). See Jayman's blog or HBD chick to get going. Then read the Ethologists of the 1960-70's for an easy introduction to how our genetic, animal nature shapes our human nature.

    Happy hunting! I envy you because you have so much in front of you to explore and learn.

    You, the person sitting at that chair in front of your computer, are just the way genes replicate themselves.

    You sound like you take the ‘genes replicate themselves’ stuff way too literally.

    It so happened (a long time ago) is that genes found a way to replicate themselves into high-complexity organisms that adapt to the environment in extremely dynamic and flexible ways. Since then, the genes don’t determine much anymore. I don’t know about you, but typical human beings form their conscience based on their interaction with the environment, and especially in the course of their social interactions. Sorta like what we’re doing here…

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    genes don’t determine much anymore.
     
    I guess that makes the ongoing destruction of the European peoples more palatable if you can convince people that the elimination of what was formerly one of the major human gene pools "doesn't matter much any more." It kind of eliminates genocide as a serious issue. Like the Chinese war on those red-headed Caucasians in Western China, the Uyghurs.
  80. Or we can do nothing and let nature take its course as it’s going to do anyway.
    Cream rises to the top, unless it isn’t allowed to..

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  81. Why can’t we just get rid of these “social justice warriors.” Put them safely behind bars for 30 years where they can get a real education about their noble cause.

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  82. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Yes, because (speaking teleologically) their children possess more of their own genes than anyone but themselves and their siblings
     
    Maybe for you it's the reason, but, like I said, you're very unusual. For the rest of us it's completely different reasons: parenting, raising them from when they were babies, you know.

    I would gladly lay down my life for two brothers or eight cousins
     
    That's just plain weird. If someone you're never seen before comes to you with a proof that he's your eight cousin, you'll lay down your life for him? Sounds like some sort of honor culture, and not particularly European. More like middle-eastern. Although I suppose some southern hillbillies in America might sill have some of that too. Rural Appalachia, is that your background?

    Maybe for you it’s the reason, but, like I said, you’re very unusual. For the rest of us it’s completely different reasons: parenting, raising them from when they were babies, you know.

    It is true that I am unusual in having some slight knowledge about the evolutionary springs of human action. But your actions are driven by emotion in the same way as are mine and those of every other person, and those emotions are shaped by evolution. Hence your innate racism, which you confess so far as children are concerned, and which is almost certainly exhibited also in your behavior toward more distant family members and your own racial group. At least, if as you name implies, you are of Chinese descent, you would be a very unusual Chinese not to have some preference for other Chinese over the rest of mankind.

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    But your actions are driven by emotion in the same way as are mine and those of every other person, and those emotions are shaped by evolution.
     
    Only basic reflexes are shaped by evolution, and like I said, human beings are much more complex than reptiles. Our emotions are definitely shaped by our social interactions: our upbringing, thing we see, hear, read.
  83. @Mao Cheng Ji

    You, the person sitting at that chair in front of your computer, are just the way genes replicate themselves.
     
    You sound like you take the 'genes replicate themselves' stuff way too literally.

    It so happened (a long time ago) is that genes found a way to replicate themselves into high-complexity organisms that adapt to the environment in extremely dynamic and flexible ways. Since then, the genes don't determine much anymore. I don't know about you, but typical human beings form their conscience based on their interaction with the environment, and especially in the course of their social interactions. Sorta like what we're doing here...

    genes don’t determine much anymore.

    I guess that makes the ongoing destruction of the European peoples more palatable if you can convince people that the elimination of what was formerly one of the major human gene pools “doesn’t matter much any more.” It kind of eliminates genocide as a serious issue. Like the Chinese war on those red-headed Caucasians in Western China, the Uyghurs.

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  84. A traitor criticizing sjws. What’s that saying about pots and kettles?

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  85. @CanSpeccy

    Maybe for you it’s the reason, but, like I said, you’re very unusual. For the rest of us it’s completely different reasons: parenting, raising them from when they were babies, you know.
     
    It is true that I am unusual in having some slight knowledge about the evolutionary springs of human action. But your actions are driven by emotion in the same way as are mine and those of every other person, and those emotions are shaped by evolution. Hence your innate racism, which you confess so far as children are concerned, and which is almost certainly exhibited also in your behavior toward more distant family members and your own racial group. At least, if as you name implies, you are of Chinese descent, you would be a very unusual Chinese not to have some preference for other Chinese over the rest of mankind.

    But your actions are driven by emotion in the same way as are mine and those of every other person, and those emotions are shaped by evolution.

    Only basic reflexes are shaped by evolution, and like I said, human beings are much more complex than reptiles. Our emotions are definitely shaped by our social interactions: our upbringing, thing we see, hear, read.

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    • Replies: @Haggy
    I think you're having issues from a black and white mindset. Most traits are rooted in genes and effected by environment. Yes, reflexes are 100% genetic. Simply because emotions are influenced by environment doesn't invalidate genetic influence on emotions.
  86. @Mao Cheng Ji

    But your actions are driven by emotion in the same way as are mine and those of every other person, and those emotions are shaped by evolution.
     
    Only basic reflexes are shaped by evolution, and like I said, human beings are much more complex than reptiles. Our emotions are definitely shaped by our social interactions: our upbringing, thing we see, hear, read.

    I think you’re having issues from a black and white mindset. Most traits are rooted in genes and effected by environment. Yes, reflexes are 100% genetic. Simply because emotions are influenced by environment doesn’t invalidate genetic influence on emotions.

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    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
    Correct.

    And there's plenty of research showing racism to be innate. That doesn't make us all Nazi's of course. Humans are adapted to cooperation as well as competition. In a multi-racial society people find it necessary to cooperate with those of other racial and cultural groups and, in doing so, form bonds of trust and friendship with people from anywhere, where such trust and friendship is warranted.

    But an underlying preferences for one's own family, tribe and race, nevertheless remain, which is perhaps why Mao Cheng Ji has nothing to say about the Chinese war on those red-headed Caucasians Uyghurs in Western China.
  87. There are those who believe that Homo sapiens came about through the mating of a Neanderthal with a pit bull. While this has not been confirmed, it fits the evidence.

    Almost.

    http://weknowmemes.com/tag/alien-fucking-monkey/

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  88. @Haggy
    I think you're having issues from a black and white mindset. Most traits are rooted in genes and effected by environment. Yes, reflexes are 100% genetic. Simply because emotions are influenced by environment doesn't invalidate genetic influence on emotions.

    Correct.

    And there’s plenty of research showing racism to be innate. That doesn’t make us all Nazi’s of course. Humans are adapted to cooperation as well as competition. In a multi-racial society people find it necessary to cooperate with those of other racial and cultural groups and, in doing so, form bonds of trust and friendship with people from anywhere, where such trust and friendship is warranted.

    But an underlying preferences for one’s own family, tribe and race, nevertheless remain, which is perhaps why Mao Cheng Ji has nothing to say about the Chinese war on those red-headed Caucasians Uyghurs in Western China.

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    But an underlying preferences for one’s own family, tribe and race, nevertheless remain
     
    This is a meaningless statement.

    'Family' are the people you know, people you have personal relationships with. You might have preferences for them or you might hate them (or some of them) as poison.

    What you mean by 'tribe' I have no idea. Your culture, I suppose? People whose native language is the same as yours? Sure, they are easier to understand, but what's this 'preference' you speak of? The fact that they are easier to understand is also makes them less interesting to meet and communicate with. You already know most of what they are going to say, and that's certainly not my preference; I like to meet exotic people.

    And 'race' is of course a social construct. I don't have any 'preference' for my friends' skin color or eyes shape, and I don't think any reasonable person would. That's just crazy talk.

  89. @Mao Cheng Ji

    I think you have been a bit curmudgeonly and verbally pedantic with animalogic without actually disagreeing.
     
    Well, whether ethnic heterogeneity is the root cause of most troubles or it isn't - this seems like an interesting and important question.

    I'd go further, and say that new distinct ethnic groups emerge from different socioeconomic classes. Suppose you start with a completely homogeneous society: white, anglo, protestant, for example. There's no one else. It'll soon separate into 3 basic classes: the elite, the middle-class, the underclass. And after a while, each group will acquire its own distinct ethnic characteristics: mannerisms, dialects, ethics, tastes in clothes, food, music - the culture. As described by Pierre Bourdieu. And so soon enough you have 3 different - and conflicting - ethnic groups. Your attempt at ethnic homogeneity fails.


    I would extend that thinking to what it takes to maintain a democracy even in the limited sense in which the US had been a democracy (votes of a fairly large proportion of the population can force a peaceful change of the people in government).
     
    I don't think I believe in 'representative democracy' anymore. You vote for a person - why would you expect any systemic change from that? You'll just have a different person operating within the same framework. Only very minor, totally inconsequential changes may come from that.

    “Only very minor, totally inconsequential changes may come from that”. Sounds OK to me given the “crooked timber” available to vote for :-)

    Actually I see something very significant in your “You vote for a person”. That is not the way it is in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, or Japan, perhaps India, Singapore and maybe quite a few others. There you vote for a party which normally tries pretty hard to carry out its program and that program usually contains quite a few elements that those who vote for it care about (partly because of market research with focus groups).

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    That is not the way it is in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, or Japan, perhaps India, Singapore and maybe quite a few others. There you vote for a party which normally tries pretty hard to carry out its program
     
    Well, they try pretty hard to make you think they're going to carry out the program they promised you when you voted for them.
    , @Mao Cheng Ji

    Actually I see something very significant in your “You vote for a person”. That is not the way it is in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, or Japan, perhaps India, Singapore and maybe quite a few others. There you vote for a party which normally tries pretty hard to carry out its program and that program usually contains quite a few elements that those who vote for it care about (partly because of market research with focus groups).
     
    Yes. In a system with proportional representation you vote for a party platform, which is certainly preferable to voting for a person, who, simply by the fact of being able to place his name on the ballot, has proven himself to be among the most corrupt and power-hungry.

    Still, even with the proportional representation, as the political system evolves, the elites find ways to make elections meaningless, most of the time...

  90. @CanSpeccy
    Correct.

    And there's plenty of research showing racism to be innate. That doesn't make us all Nazi's of course. Humans are adapted to cooperation as well as competition. In a multi-racial society people find it necessary to cooperate with those of other racial and cultural groups and, in doing so, form bonds of trust and friendship with people from anywhere, where such trust and friendship is warranted.

    But an underlying preferences for one's own family, tribe and race, nevertheless remain, which is perhaps why Mao Cheng Ji has nothing to say about the Chinese war on those red-headed Caucasians Uyghurs in Western China.

    But an underlying preferences for one’s own family, tribe and race, nevertheless remain

    This is a meaningless statement.

    ‘Family’ are the people you know, people you have personal relationships with. You might have preferences for them or you might hate them (or some of them) as poison.

    What you mean by ‘tribe’ I have no idea. Your culture, I suppose? People whose native language is the same as yours? Sure, they are easier to understand, but what’s this ‘preference’ you speak of? The fact that they are easier to understand is also makes them less interesting to meet and communicate with. You already know most of what they are going to say, and that’s certainly not my preference; I like to meet exotic people.

    And ‘race’ is of course a social construct. I don’t have any ‘preference’ for my friends’ skin color or eyes shape, and I don’t think any reasonable person would. That’s just crazy talk.

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    What you mean by ‘tribe’ I have no idea. Your culture, I suppose?
     
    Why not try using a dictionary if you have trouble understanding the English language.

    But perhaps it's not your English but your role as a Chinese Commie troll that affects your comprehension.

    That would explain you care in avoiding any comment on the racist Han Chinese (a tribe) discrimination and oppression of the Uyghurs (a different tribe), the red-haired Caucasian population of Xianjiang, formerly East Turkistan, which was conquered by China with Soviet aid in the 1950's.

    As for the rest of your comment, "race is a social construct," blah, blah, blah, do you really think such PC crap flies here? (Or do you contend that there really are red-haired Han Chinese?) Most Unz Review followers seem well educated. You'd surely find your line of thought, if we can call it thought, more acceptable with committed Hillary supporters.

  91. A ray of light from true warriors for social justice:
    “After the voters spoke out against the threat of GE [genetically engineered] crops, our initiative was challenged in court. CFS’s team of litigators went to work on our behalf, defending our ordinance in federal court, stopping industry’s power grab, and protecting the rights of farmers and consumers in our county – and with CFS’s help, WE WON.”

    http://salsa3.salsalabs.com/o/1881/t/0/blastContent.jsp?email_blast_KEY=1368814

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  92. @hyperbola
    Perhaps one should not use examples where the full background is not known?

    """""Diversity is in fact the cause of most of the world’s troubles. If you doubt that diversity is a great evil, consider relations between: .... Tutsis and Hutus in Burundi, .... """"

    The Weaponisation of the Refugee
    Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism's War on Europe (Part 2 of an 11 Part Series)
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2016/01/the-weaponisation-of-the-refugee/

    .... In the nineteenth century, Imperial Belgium imported hundreds of thousands of Rwandan Tutsi workers to the Congo to staff their work colonies. This artificial migration policy of Belgian imperialism has played a major role in the context fueling the current ethnic cleansing and ongoing neo-colonial proxy wars being carried out by the US/Israeli and European powers in the Democratic Republic of Congo, where the US /Israeli Tutsi puppet regime of Paul Kagame is murdering and pillaging on behalf of Western corporations. The Wall Street Journal has ironically described Kagame’s Zionist puppet regime ‘The Israel of Africa’.

    Here Hutu refugees fleeing Kagame’s genocidal regime have been systematically bombed and slaughtered by the Zionist backed Rwandan military. Refugees fleeing war have been used by the aggressors as a pretext to wage further war and conquest. The US and EU have been destabilizing Burundi since April 2015. Now, terrorists are attacking the country from refugee camps in Rwanda, with full backing by Western powers....

    whether it’s in the example you cite, northern ireland, tibet perhaps… and on and on, this is the old ruling elite method to divide and rule. after two generations the imports are just as native as the original natives, hence endless strife.

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  93. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Truth


    (2) Liberals believe that we should all love one another, and hate those who don’t. This puts them in the morally invincible position of being against hatred. It also obscures the observable fact that most of us, certainly including liberals, dislike a great many people, and that most groups detest a lot of other groups, or will if placed in contact with them. Distance is prerequisite to love.
     
    OK at this point Fred, either you are intentionally trolling, or you fell off the stupid tree and hit every branch on the way down.

    Yes, Fred is intentionally trolling. It’s what he does for a living; the Modern Mencken touch. Or hadn’t you noticed?

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    This is a slanderous statement. At least Fred Reed is not afraid to move against mainstream, while showing his real name (that is, he is no "anon").
    And here is some interesting information about your archenemy: http://www.gold-eagle.com/article/grandmaster-putins-golden-trap http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-01/moscow-and-beijing-join-forces-bypass-us-dollar-global-markets-shift-gold-standard
  94. @Mao Cheng Ji

    But an underlying preferences for one’s own family, tribe and race, nevertheless remain
     
    This is a meaningless statement.

    'Family' are the people you know, people you have personal relationships with. You might have preferences for them or you might hate them (or some of them) as poison.

    What you mean by 'tribe' I have no idea. Your culture, I suppose? People whose native language is the same as yours? Sure, they are easier to understand, but what's this 'preference' you speak of? The fact that they are easier to understand is also makes them less interesting to meet and communicate with. You already know most of what they are going to say, and that's certainly not my preference; I like to meet exotic people.

    And 'race' is of course a social construct. I don't have any 'preference' for my friends' skin color or eyes shape, and I don't think any reasonable person would. That's just crazy talk.

    What you mean by ‘tribe’ I have no idea. Your culture, I suppose?

    Why not try using a dictionary if you have trouble understanding the English language.

    But perhaps it’s not your English but your role as a Chinese Commie troll that affects your comprehension.

    That would explain you care in avoiding any comment on the racist Han Chinese (a tribe) discrimination and oppression of the Uyghurs (a different tribe), the red-haired Caucasian population of Xianjiang, formerly East Turkistan, which was conquered by China with Soviet aid in the 1950′s.

    As for the rest of your comment, “race is a social construct,” blah, blah, blah, do you really think such PC crap flies here? (Or do you contend that there really are red-haired Han Chinese?) Most Unz Review followers seem well educated. You’d surely find your line of thought, if we can call it thought, more acceptable with committed Hillary supporters.

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    Why not try using a dictionary if you have trouble understanding the English language.
     
    In the English language it's called 'ethnic group'. Your using the word 'tribe' made me think that you were trying to convey some different meaning.

    And I don't believe the population of China is organized in 'tribes'. They have provinces, counties, townships. No tribes. Maybe in Brazil somewhere, in Amazon forest, you could still find tribes...

    As for the (so far relatively minor) ethno-political tensions China, that's exactly what I was saying from the beginning: ethnic (and other) differences provide politicians with a handy tool to split and manipulate populations. That was my point, remember? You're totally ignoring it.

    As for my humble persona: please think of me as an anonymous commenter. That's what I think of you, and the rest of the commenters here.
  95. @Vires

    People otherwise sane can be politically psychotic in this manner. Think of conspiracy theorists.
     
    Had a good laugh at this one. How hilarious after you just included yourself *again* with the conspiracy theorists in exposing the big fat conspiracy theory that justifies anti-semitism on "Jewish Power" and "Jewish lack of integration", currently highly controversial subjects that depending on who you ask "Jewish Power" and "Jewish lack of integration" are conspiracy theories and the ones thinking otherwhise are tinfoil hat Nazis and Hitler apologists.

    Ever heard of MKUltra? Operation Mockingbird? COINTELPRO? Are you aware those "conspiracy theories" turned out to be true?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/5-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true-2015-6?IR=T

    Let's take a look at "conspiracy theory" number 4.

    4. The CIA recruited top American journalists to spread propaganda in the media and gather intelligence.
     

    Now you are no top journalist, mind ya, not even a top writer, but no doubt you should be considered an "influencer" having as you do a sizeable readership and being your site ranked within the 100k most popular websites in the US (fredoneverything.org) and one of the most popular bloggers here at unz.com, ranked within the 15k most popular sites in the US and within the 35K most popular sites in the world...

    That and the blatant intellectual dishonesty you display regarding historical events - you obviously have insufficient and incomplete information to even discuss the alleged causes of said events not to talk about outright dismiss alternative explanations - makes me think sometimes operation "Mockingbird" is still alive and well.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

    right on. why is it that, somehow, all the influential opion makers from this fred to chomsky, howard zinn, amy goodman, alexander cockburn, etc. etc. are always, again somehow, laughing hyenas on the only important questions of politics (that is, on conspiracy nuts)? is it a mutual masturbation society? are they pizzagate insiders? what a rotten bunch of twats! go rot, fred, and noam, and cockburn. these fuckers are liars, plain and simple. i once attended a zinn speech where he tried to dodge the 911 question with ‘but that’s in the past’ (7 years in the past at the time–this from a historian!).

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  96. @Anon
    Yes, Fred is intentionally trolling. It's what he does for a living; the Modern Mencken touch. Or hadn't you noticed?

    This is a slanderous statement. At least Fred Reed is not afraid to move against mainstream, while showing his real name (that is, he is no “anon”).
    And here is some interesting information about your archenemy: http://www.gold-eagle.com/article/grandmaster-putins-golden-trap http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-01/moscow-and-beijing-join-forces-bypass-us-dollar-global-markets-shift-gold-standard

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    • Replies: @Anon
    Not slanderous in the least. Have you ever read Mencken?

    archenemy
     
    ?
    , @Anon
    AM,

    Here's a random Mencken paragraph sample:


    A man's women folk, whatever their outward show of respect for his merit and authority, always regard him secretly as an ass, and with something akin to pity. His most gaudy sayings and doings seldom deceive them; they see the actual man within, and know him for a shallow and pathetic fellow. In this fact, perhaps, lies one of the best proofs of feminine intelligence, or, as the common phrase makes it, feminine intuition. The mark of that so-called intuition is simply a sharp and accurate perception of reality, an habitual immunity to emotional enchantment, a relentless capacity for distinguishing clearly between the appearance and the substance. The appearance, in the normal family circle, is a hero, magnifico, a demigod. The substance is a poor mountebank.
     
    (from In Defense of Women)

    Sound familiar? I believe you're not American, but, regardless, el senyor Mencken is worth attention, and I chalk up your introduction to him as one of my meritorious actions of the day.
  97. @Backwoods Bob
    Achmed, school is only a couple of hours a day for us, but it is seven days a week.

    Our philosophy started from the observation that Shanghai kids graduate four academic years ahead of out local school.

    We figured you can't make up for that by starting behind and trying to catch up. So we read a lot of peer-reviewed science literature on early infant learning. I sang the ABC song through mommy's womb every day, so homeschool began before birth.

    By the time our oldest reached kindergarten age, he was five years ahead of his peers. At age six, he tested 13th grade (Freshman college) in reading. He's seven now, and just started calculus, having zipped through some basic algebra first. His younger brother isn't quite as talented but is doing 3rd grade math at kindergarten.

    We had no idea the results would be this incredible, and it makes us wonder what the hell the government schools do with their time. We have looked carefully at their curriculum and it is all politically correct indoctrination. But eight hours a day? In kindergarten locally, they learn to count to 20. One number every few weeks I guess.

    You don't need to be this far ahead, nor did we plan for it. But our experience shows you can be many, many years ahead of these retards in the government schools if you start early and do a small amount each and every day. We probably miss ten days a year at most and the kids have most of each day to do whatever they want, so school is no burden at all for them.

    ‘ I sang the ABC song through mommy’s womb every day, so homeschool began before birth. By the time our oldest reached kindergarten age, he was five years ahead of his peers. At age six, he tested 13th grade (Freshman college) in reading. He’s seven now, and just started calculus, having zipped through some basic algebra first.’

    whoa there! i agree with homeschooling (we’re doing it too), but one of MY main complaints about the schools and society in general is its uber competitiveness. i realize nearly everyone disagrees. but you may be harming your children. i mostly go with my gut so don’t have any stats to back me up, but i think in the first 7 years at least play is really the only thing. i do need to look into it more. but such a hyper competitive world! i always wonder, for what? i mean, is math SO important? if so, how come almost no one remembers any? and singing the abc’s in the womb? i get the sentiment, i thought along similar lines, but are the abc’s actually important? so much is askew in our ‘society’, i don’t know where to begin. we are certainly overhauling all previous notions of EVERYTHING, education included, so we’re just at the beginning of it.

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    • Replies: @dc.sunsets
    Mathematics education is a means to a particular structure of thought. I sincerely doubt anyone who contributes much in engineering or the hard sciences hated (and did poorly) in their math studies.

    Engineers let software do "the math" but would you really trust the product of people who had no innate sanity check?

    Training a mind that can make chaos into coherence is not done by accident.

    I say this as the father of two well-employed computer scientists and one well-employed mechanical engineer.

    , @dc.sunsets
    In approximately year 2 or 2.5 through 5 you'd better be teaching self-control or your kid will be permanently handicapped, just like millions of little barbarians now coming up through elementary school.

    Self-control, curiosity, self-discipline, persistence, self-motivation and establishing mutual respect as the core of every successful relationship.
  98. @daniel le mouche
    ' I sang the ABC song through mommy’s womb every day, so homeschool began before birth. By the time our oldest reached kindergarten age, he was five years ahead of his peers. At age six, he tested 13th grade (Freshman college) in reading. He’s seven now, and just started calculus, having zipped through some basic algebra first.'

    whoa there! i agree with homeschooling (we're doing it too), but one of MY main complaints about the schools and society in general is its uber competitiveness. i realize nearly everyone disagrees. but you may be harming your children. i mostly go with my gut so don't have any stats to back me up, but i think in the first 7 years at least play is really the only thing. i do need to look into it more. but such a hyper competitive world! i always wonder, for what? i mean, is math SO important? if so, how come almost no one remembers any? and singing the abc's in the womb? i get the sentiment, i thought along similar lines, but are the abc's actually important? so much is askew in our 'society', i don't know where to begin. we are certainly overhauling all previous notions of EVERYTHING, education included, so we're just at the beginning of it.

    Mathematics education is a means to a particular structure of thought. I sincerely doubt anyone who contributes much in engineering or the hard sciences hated (and did poorly) in their math studies.

    Engineers let software do “the math” but would you really trust the product of people who had no innate sanity check?

    Training a mind that can make chaos into coherence is not done by accident.

    I say this as the father of two well-employed computer scientists and one well-employed mechanical engineer.

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  99. @daniel le mouche
    ' I sang the ABC song through mommy’s womb every day, so homeschool began before birth. By the time our oldest reached kindergarten age, he was five years ahead of his peers. At age six, he tested 13th grade (Freshman college) in reading. He’s seven now, and just started calculus, having zipped through some basic algebra first.'

    whoa there! i agree with homeschooling (we're doing it too), but one of MY main complaints about the schools and society in general is its uber competitiveness. i realize nearly everyone disagrees. but you may be harming your children. i mostly go with my gut so don't have any stats to back me up, but i think in the first 7 years at least play is really the only thing. i do need to look into it more. but such a hyper competitive world! i always wonder, for what? i mean, is math SO important? if so, how come almost no one remembers any? and singing the abc's in the womb? i get the sentiment, i thought along similar lines, but are the abc's actually important? so much is askew in our 'society', i don't know where to begin. we are certainly overhauling all previous notions of EVERYTHING, education included, so we're just at the beginning of it.

    In approximately year 2 or 2.5 through 5 you’d better be teaching self-control or your kid will be permanently handicapped, just like millions of little barbarians now coming up through elementary school.

    Self-control, curiosity, self-discipline, persistence, self-motivation and establishing mutual respect as the core of every successful relationship.

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  100. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @annamaria
    This is a slanderous statement. At least Fred Reed is not afraid to move against mainstream, while showing his real name (that is, he is no "anon").
    And here is some interesting information about your archenemy: http://www.gold-eagle.com/article/grandmaster-putins-golden-trap http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-01/moscow-and-beijing-join-forces-bypass-us-dollar-global-markets-shift-gold-standard

    Not slanderous in the least. Have you ever read Mencken?

    archenemy

    ?

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  101. Anon says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @annamaria
    This is a slanderous statement. At least Fred Reed is not afraid to move against mainstream, while showing his real name (that is, he is no "anon").
    And here is some interesting information about your archenemy: http://www.gold-eagle.com/article/grandmaster-putins-golden-trap http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-01/moscow-and-beijing-join-forces-bypass-us-dollar-global-markets-shift-gold-standard

    AM,

    Here’s a random Mencken paragraph sample:

    A man’s women folk, whatever their outward show of respect for his merit and authority, always regard him secretly as an ass, and with something akin to pity. His most gaudy sayings and doings seldom deceive them; they see the actual man within, and know him for a shallow and pathetic fellow. In this fact, perhaps, lies one of the best proofs of feminine intelligence, or, as the common phrase makes it, feminine intuition. The mark of that so-called intuition is simply a sharp and accurate perception of reality, an habitual immunity to emotional enchantment, a relentless capacity for distinguishing clearly between the appearance and the substance. The appearance, in the normal family circle, is a hero, magnifico, a demigod. The substance is a poor mountebank.

    (from In Defense of Women)

    Sound familiar? I believe you’re not American, but, regardless, el senyor Mencken is worth attention, and I chalk up your introduction to him as one of my meritorious actions of the day.

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  102. @Bill Miller
    Hi, interesting perspective.
    I'd like to compare with mixing of different liquids.
    1) Most people remember vaguely from chemistry that diethylether and water do not mix. That is not fully correct. One can dissolve 6,8 g in 100 g water and have one single clear phase.
    Add 0,1 g and the solution firstly turns opaque and then separates into two clear nearly pure phases of water and diethylether.
    2) Tetrahydrofurane (very similar to ether) can be mixed perfectly with water in any proportions and results in one single clear phase. Add a teaspoon of salt, stir and the solution firstly turns opaque and then separates into two clear nearly pure phases of (salty) water and tetrahydrofurane
    Always makes me wonder if it might be the same with peoples:
    1) Only so many may immigrate without no problems. Then some more and bang, ghettoes.
    2) A homogenous society of As and Bs. Then add some external stress and bang , ghettoes.

    Take care

    Or exothermic detonation. Good analogy.

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  103. @CanSpeccy

    What you mean by ‘tribe’ I have no idea. Your culture, I suppose?
     
    Why not try using a dictionary if you have trouble understanding the English language.

    But perhaps it's not your English but your role as a Chinese Commie troll that affects your comprehension.

    That would explain you care in avoiding any comment on the racist Han Chinese (a tribe) discrimination and oppression of the Uyghurs (a different tribe), the red-haired Caucasian population of Xianjiang, formerly East Turkistan, which was conquered by China with Soviet aid in the 1950's.

    As for the rest of your comment, "race is a social construct," blah, blah, blah, do you really think such PC crap flies here? (Or do you contend that there really are red-haired Han Chinese?) Most Unz Review followers seem well educated. You'd surely find your line of thought, if we can call it thought, more acceptable with committed Hillary supporters.

    Why not try using a dictionary if you have trouble understanding the English language.

    In the English language it’s called ‘ethnic group’. Your using the word ‘tribe’ made me think that you were trying to convey some different meaning.

    And I don’t believe the population of China is organized in ‘tribes’. They have provinces, counties, townships. No tribes. Maybe in Brazil somewhere, in Amazon forest, you could still find tribes…

    As for the (so far relatively minor) ethno-political tensions China, that’s exactly what I was saying from the beginning: ethnic (and other) differences provide politicians with a handy tool to split and manipulate populations. That was my point, remember? You’re totally ignoring it.

    As for my humble persona: please think of me as an anonymous commenter. That’s what I think of you, and the rest of the commenters here.

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    As for my humble persona: please think of me as an anonymous commenter.
     
    I'll shall think of you as someone who, blinded by post-modernist Communist drivel, cannot see the heritable differences between a red-haired Caucasian and a Han Chinese.
  104. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Why not try using a dictionary if you have trouble understanding the English language.
     
    In the English language it's called 'ethnic group'. Your using the word 'tribe' made me think that you were trying to convey some different meaning.

    And I don't believe the population of China is organized in 'tribes'. They have provinces, counties, townships. No tribes. Maybe in Brazil somewhere, in Amazon forest, you could still find tribes...

    As for the (so far relatively minor) ethno-political tensions China, that's exactly what I was saying from the beginning: ethnic (and other) differences provide politicians with a handy tool to split and manipulate populations. That was my point, remember? You're totally ignoring it.

    As for my humble persona: please think of me as an anonymous commenter. That's what I think of you, and the rest of the commenters here.

    As for my humble persona: please think of me as an anonymous commenter.

    I’ll shall think of you as someone who, blinded by post-modernist Communist drivel, cannot see the heritable differences between a red-haired Caucasian and a Han Chinese.

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
    But I already addressed this nonsense, @95: who cares about the looks? I mean, if you choose who you associate with by their hair color or eyes shape, that's your business, but then, again, that makes you an oddball. Not that I object: it takes all kinds.

    By the way, if I may ask: is being (in your opinion) "blinded by post-modernist Communist drivel" also a genetic trait, or would you agree that it's entirely a product of environmental conditioning? Could it happen to your brother or your cousin, and if it did, would you still sacrifice your life for them?

  105. @CanSpeccy

    As for my humble persona: please think of me as an anonymous commenter.
     
    I'll shall think of you as someone who, blinded by post-modernist Communist drivel, cannot see the heritable differences between a red-haired Caucasian and a Han Chinese.

    But I already addressed this nonsense, @95: who cares about the looks? I mean, if you choose who you associate with by their hair color or eyes shape, that’s your business, but then, again, that makes you an oddball. Not that I object: it takes all kinds.

    By the way, if I may ask: is being (in your opinion) “blinded by post-modernist Communist drivel” also a genetic trait, or would you agree that it’s entirely a product of environmental conditioning? Could it happen to your brother or your cousin, and if it did, would you still sacrifice your life for them?

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    • Replies: @anonymous

    would you still sacrifice your life for them?
     
    Not unless three more cousins were also involved; one brother + one cousin doesn't quite meet the threshold.
  106. anonymous says:     Show CommentNext New Comment
    @Mao Cheng Ji
    But I already addressed this nonsense, @95: who cares about the looks? I mean, if you choose who you associate with by their hair color or eyes shape, that's your business, but then, again, that makes you an oddball. Not that I object: it takes all kinds.

    By the way, if I may ask: is being (in your opinion) "blinded by post-modernist Communist drivel" also a genetic trait, or would you agree that it's entirely a product of environmental conditioning? Could it happen to your brother or your cousin, and if it did, would you still sacrifice your life for them?

    would you still sacrifice your life for them?

    Not unless three more cousins were also involved; one brother + one cousin doesn’t quite meet the threshold.

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  107. I mean, if you choose who you associate with by their hair color or eyes shape, that’s your business, but then, again, that makes you an oddball.

    Opinion polls in Europe, and probably the US too, consistently show about 70% of the population (despite those populations now including a significant immigrant minority) oppose mass immigration, so no, a preference to associate with members of one’s own race does not make one an oddball.

    And that explains why a Chinese girl with a white guy in Vancouver’s China Town is at a risk of being spat on — most Chinese Canadians being quite racist and therefore opposed to Chinese Canadians marrying out (as the Jews call it).

    In China, apparently, such racism is widespread and accepted at the highest level as a basis for action to prevent pollution of “Chinese blood.”

    may ask: is being (in your opinion) “blinded by post-modernist Communist drivel” also a genetic trait, or would you agree that it’s entirely a product of environmental conditioning?

    If you have to ask the question, you are really in no position to pontificate on the subject of race, racism etc. Why not go and read Francis Fukuyama, the Origins of Political Order, then you will understand better what determines political ideology, beliefs about race, racism and how these affect human social and racial evolution.

    Could it happen to your brother or your cousin, and if it did, would you still sacrifice your life for them?

    That’s not such a smart question as you think, because such beliefs may radically affect the evolutionary prospects for an individual’s genes.

    Your question relates to the JBS Haldane quote that I gave you above. But it reveals that you need to inform yourself better if you wish to comment with the appearance of intelligence on a complex question that has been the subject of deep thought by many smart people. But perhaps as I already suggested, you are not interested in understanding the reality, but only in being a troll.

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    Opinion polls in Europe, and probably the US too, consistently show about 70% of the population (despite those populations now including a significant immigrant minority) oppose mass immigration, so no, a preference to associate with members of one’s own race does not make one an oddball.
     
    But 'immigrants' is not a race. In western Europe, for example, they object to people coming from poor European countries - Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Moldova - taking low-paying jobs and thus suppressing their wages. That's exactly what I was talking about, and you, imo, are completely misunderstanding the phenomenon.
  108. @Yours Truly
    This is one feminazi I won't be hurling insults at.

    http://www.themalaymailonline.com/opinion/shafiqah-othman-hamzah/article/the-hypocrisy-of-malay-muslims

    She’s anything but a feminazis. Quite insightful, in fact.

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  109. @Vendetta
    Let me straighten you out on the subject: it was globalist political forces that ordered Kagame OUT of the Congo. International finance, mining conglomerates, NGOs, and UN agencies were all backing Kabila and the DRC explicitly because it was a corrupt, dysfunctional government that got to take care of itself. Corporations liked dealing with a corrupt government that could be bribed into signing away mining rights for a pittance; humanitarian agencies prefer a basketcase of a country to one whose government actually tries to take care of its own people (what is there for them to do otherwise?)

    France, Belgium, and Europe in general (along with the UN) were behind the Hutus from the beginning. UN intervention in the Rwandan Civil War only arrived when the Hutus were about to lose; the UN stopped the RPF and allowed the Hutu army to escape into the Congo along with a mass of refugees.

    The UN then showered these Hutu refugee camps with 90% of the Rwandan Genocide aid (i.e. giving it to the people who had just committed the genocide, rather than the Tutsis who'd been on the receiving end).

    Kagame had the grace not to go slaughtering every Hutu that was left in Rwanda and actually re-integrated them as equal citizens (which the Hutu propaganda you read twists into him being some sort of Tutsi Hitler).

    But the UN refugees camps across the border were run as safe havens by Hutu militant groups that continued an insurgency into Rwanda to try and take over again.

    Kagame got tired of dealing with this and with the inability of Congo's government to police its own side of the border. He made an alliance with the leftist African states to go in and overthrow Mobutu and replace him with someone who could maintain order.

    They won, they put in Kabila, and Kabila promptly severed all ties with the Rwandans and did exactly what Mobutu had done before; enable the Hutu insurgency.

    And at that point Kagame went in again to do the same, only this time the leftist African states (Angola, Zimbabwe, etc) intervened to stop him. Hutu nationalists linked up with the African socialists and their far left friends in Europe to print a false narrative of Kagame genociding millions of Hutus in Rwanda.

    Then the African socialists and the Congo's corporate backers went to the UN and complained until Rwanda was forced to withdraw, leaving Hutu militias again the dominant force of eastern Congo.

    This continues to this day - most recent UN intervention was to eliminate a Tutsi stay-behind militia (M23) while completely ignoring Hutu militants in the same region.

    Kagame, like Assad, is a victim of globalist media which has repeated the lies of his opposing fanatics as and cast him as another in the latest line of Next Hitler's.


    A shame to see anyone on our side falling for this, don't spread these lies.

    A most interesting comment. Thank you.

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  110. @Wizard of Oz
    "Only very minor, totally inconsequential changes may come from that". Sounds OK to me given the "crooked timber" available to vote for :-)

    Actually I see something very significant in your "You vote for a person". That is not the way it is in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, or Japan, perhaps India, Singapore and maybe quite a few others. There you vote for a party which normally tries pretty hard to carry out its program and that program usually contains quite a few elements that those who vote for it care about (partly because of market research with focus groups).

    That is not the way it is in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, or Japan, perhaps India, Singapore and maybe quite a few others. There you vote for a party which normally tries pretty hard to carry out its program

    Well, they try pretty hard to make you think they’re going to carry out the program they promised you when you voted for them.

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    I suppose I could only be accepted by a court as an expert witness on Australia but I would say that in all or most of those countries the givernments try very hard also to get the reputation for fulfilling their promises and wave about as a weapon against members of the federal Senare or other upper houses where they may lack majority the idea that they ave a "mandate" from the people. Obviously compulsory voting and an actual 85 to 90 per cent voter turnout helps with that "mandate" argument even if it doesn't really do much to make voters pay attention and care.
  111. @CanSpeccy

    I mean, if you choose who you associate with by their hair color or eyes shape, that’s your business, but then, again, that makes you an oddball.
     
    Opinion polls in Europe, and probably the US too, consistently show about 70% of the population (despite those populations now including a significant immigrant minority) oppose mass immigration, so no, a preference to associate with members of one's own race does not make one an oddball.

    And that explains why a Chinese girl with a white guy in Vancouver's China Town is at a risk of being spat on — most Chinese Canadians being quite racist and therefore opposed to Chinese Canadians marrying out (as the Jews call it).

    In China, apparently, such racism is widespread and accepted at the highest level as a basis for action to prevent pollution of "Chinese blood."


    may ask: is being (in your opinion) “blinded by post-modernist Communist drivel” also a genetic trait, or would you agree that it’s entirely a product of environmental conditioning?

     

    If you have to ask the question, you are really in no position to pontificate on the subject of race, racism etc. Why not go and read Francis Fukuyama, the Origins of Political Order, then you will understand better what determines political ideology, beliefs about race, racism and how these affect human social and racial evolution.

    Could it happen to your brother or your cousin, and if it did, would you still sacrifice your life for them?
     
    That's not such a smart question as you think, because such beliefs may radically affect the evolutionary prospects for an individual's genes.

    Your question relates to the JBS Haldane quote that I gave you above. But it reveals that you need to inform yourself better if you wish to comment with the appearance of intelligence on a complex question that has been the subject of deep thought by many smart people. But perhaps as I already suggested, you are not interested in understanding the reality, but only in being a troll.

    Opinion polls in Europe, and probably the US too, consistently show about 70% of the population (despite those populations now including a significant immigrant minority) oppose mass immigration, so no, a preference to associate with members of one’s own race does not make one an oddball.

    But ‘immigrants’ is not a race. In western Europe, for example, they object to people coming from poor European countries – Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Moldova – taking low-paying jobs and thus suppressing their wages. That’s exactly what I was talking about, and you, imo, are completely misunderstanding the phenomenon.

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    Re: Immigrants are not a race, see 116 above.

    As for "race is a social construct"

    What color do you think this brilliant young athlete is?:

    record-breaking 12-year-old sprinter Brianna Lyston

    She ain't Han Chinese, that's for sure.

  112. @dfordoom

    That is not the way it is in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, or Japan, perhaps India, Singapore and maybe quite a few others. There you vote for a party which normally tries pretty hard to carry out its program
     
    Well, they try pretty hard to make you think they're going to carry out the program they promised you when you voted for them.

    I suppose I could only be accepted by a court as an expert witness on Australia but I would say that in all or most of those countries the givernments try very hard also to get the reputation for fulfilling their promises and wave about as a weapon against members of the federal Senare or other upper houses where they may lack majority the idea that they ave a “mandate” from the people. Obviously compulsory voting and an actual 85 to 90 per cent voter turnout helps with that “mandate” argument even if it doesn’t really do much to make voters pay attention and care.

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  113. ‘immigrants’ is not a race.

    Who said it was? But immigrants to England have a race and with only few exceptions it is not English .

    If you are going to be a troll, do try to be an intelligent troll.

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  114. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Opinion polls in Europe, and probably the US too, consistently show about 70% of the population (despite those populations now including a significant immigrant minority) oppose mass immigration, so no, a preference to associate with members of one’s own race does not make one an oddball.
     
    But 'immigrants' is not a race. In western Europe, for example, they object to people coming from poor European countries - Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Moldova - taking low-paying jobs and thus suppressing their wages. That's exactly what I was talking about, and you, imo, are completely misunderstanding the phenomenon.

    Re: Immigrants are not a race, see 116 above.

    As for “race is a social construct”

    What color do you think this brilliant young athlete is?:

    record-breaking 12-year-old sprinter Brianna Lyston

    She ain’t Han Chinese, that’s for sure.

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji

    What color do you think this brilliant young athlete is?:
     
    What does it have to do with anything? I know that human beings are not identical: some are taller and some shorter, some have darker skin, some sing better or run faster. Some like to play chess, while others prefer football. You pick some relatively arbitrary characteristics (while ignoring others) and construct categories you call 'races'. And then you essentialize these categories, as if they define people, define who they are.

    But that's only one way to look at things, and I don't think this is a particularly useful angle. You could see Yo Yo Ma as a Chinese, or you could see him as a violinist, or as an American violinist. Or as the father of two children. Or as a celebrity. It may turn out that his Chinese background is but a minor insignificant detail.

  115. ” What color do you think this brilliant young athlete is ? ”

    Since when does the ability to run faster than others constitute the quality of “brilliance” within a human being?

    I would say perhaps the ability to compose a grand symphony or produce a beautiful sculpture or painting , I would allow that these “abilities” could then be brought into association with the attribute of “brilliance” , but “running fast” as an expression of “brilliance”, this is simply absurd.

    An overlooked aspect of the dumbing down of the US being the rediculous futile worship of athletes.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US army vet and pro jazz artist.

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  116. @CanSpeccy
    Re: Immigrants are not a race, see 116 above.

    As for "race is a social construct"

    What color do you think this brilliant young athlete is?:

    record-breaking 12-year-old sprinter Brianna Lyston

    She ain't Han Chinese, that's for sure.

    What color do you think this brilliant young athlete is?:

    What does it have to do with anything? I know that human beings are not identical: some are taller and some shorter, some have darker skin, some sing better or run faster. Some like to play chess, while others prefer football. You pick some relatively arbitrary characteristics (while ignoring others) and construct categories you call ‘races’. And then you essentialize these categories, as if they define people, define who they are.

    But that’s only one way to look at things, and I don’t think this is a particularly useful angle. You could see Yo Yo Ma as a Chinese, or you could see him as a violinist, or as an American violinist. Or as the father of two children. Or as a celebrity. It may turn out that his Chinese background is but a minor insignificant detail.

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    • Replies: @Truth

    You could see Yo Yo Ma as a Chinese, or you could see him as a violinist, or as an American violinist. Or as the father of two children. Or as a celebrity.

     

    How, and where, could I see Yo Ma Ma?
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    Not sure exactly what your main point is but it seems to be an attempt to invalidate stereotyping. You can't do that. Stereotyping is the basis of all perception, no sentient being could function without it. Denying the rectitude or validity of stereotyping, which is just a form of shorthand statistical reasoning, quickly leads to absurdity.

    For example, there is a drop of water. It's comprised of a certain number of molecules and has a certain salinity level and has a certain ratio of Deuterium etc that would make it unique or nearly so. The drop is an individual. Even so, this drop of water is like other drops of water, such as those in rain or in puddles. If we insist on only seeing the drop of water for its individual attributes, and not part of a stereotyped category, should we attempt to walk on the surface that holds it? Trying to say some groups of water droplets, like the Pacific Ocean are different than others, like a wet sidewalk, is very hydrist. The anti-stereotype thing to do is to not make those kinds of group distinctions. Likewise, why bother with doors? Why not just walk through them? They're well over 99% empty space. People who think they're physical like to constuct ideas of doors and walls, but that ignores the uniqueness of the individual molecules and oppresses the safe space in between.

  117. @Mao Cheng Ji

    What color do you think this brilliant young athlete is?:
     
    What does it have to do with anything? I know that human beings are not identical: some are taller and some shorter, some have darker skin, some sing better or run faster. Some like to play chess, while others prefer football. You pick some relatively arbitrary characteristics (while ignoring others) and construct categories you call 'races'. And then you essentialize these categories, as if they define people, define who they are.

    But that's only one way to look at things, and I don't think this is a particularly useful angle. You could see Yo Yo Ma as a Chinese, or you could see him as a violinist, or as an American violinist. Or as the father of two children. Or as a celebrity. It may turn out that his Chinese background is but a minor insignificant detail.

    You could see Yo Yo Ma as a Chinese, or you could see him as a violinist, or as an American violinist. Or as the father of two children. Or as a celebrity.

    How, and where, could I see Yo Ma Ma?

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    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    Finally, a funny post from Mr. Truth! I've been waiting a long time for this.
  118. I stopped reading at “Bill O’Toole doesn’t see himself as Irish, he sees himself as American.”

    I’d love to hear you say that in any of 1 million Irish bars in Chicago. You clearly must be talking about Appalachian hillbillies or something, because I doubt Boston, Philly, etc. are the same.

    Also, Yo-Yo Ma plays cello and not violin. I don’t even like classical music and I know that.

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    Also, Yo-Yo Ma plays cello and not violin.
     
    My mistake, sorry. And thanks.
    , @Authenticjazzman
    " I don't even like classical music"

    Okay and Bach , Mozart, Beethoven and Vivaldi don't like you either.

    I have always wondered about the mental attributes of people who " don't like classical music" , which is sort of comparable to someone not "liking" butterflies or rainbows, and for my simple way of seeing things utterly incomprehensible.

    My departed mother loved jazz music along with opera and the "Great american songbook" : standards.

    Authenticjazzman "Mensa" society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.
  119. @Really
    I stopped reading at "Bill O'Toole doesn't see himself as Irish, he sees himself as American."

    I'd love to hear you say that in any of 1 million Irish bars in Chicago. You clearly must be talking about Appalachian hillbillies or something, because I doubt Boston, Philly, etc. are the same.

    Also, Yo-Yo Ma plays cello and not violin. I don't even like classical music and I know that.

    Also, Yo-Yo Ma plays cello and not violin.

    My mistake, sorry. And thanks.

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  120. @Truth

    You could see Yo Yo Ma as a Chinese, or you could see him as a violinist, or as an American violinist. Or as the father of two children. Or as a celebrity.

     

    How, and where, could I see Yo Ma Ma?

    Finally, a funny post from Mr. Truth! I’ve been waiting a long time for this.

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  121. @Really
    I stopped reading at "Bill O'Toole doesn't see himself as Irish, he sees himself as American."

    I'd love to hear you say that in any of 1 million Irish bars in Chicago. You clearly must be talking about Appalachian hillbillies or something, because I doubt Boston, Philly, etc. are the same.

    Also, Yo-Yo Ma plays cello and not violin. I don't even like classical music and I know that.

    ” I don’t even like classical music”

    Okay and Bach , Mozart, Beethoven and Vivaldi don’t like you either.

    I have always wondered about the mental attributes of people who ” don’t like classical music” , which is sort of comparable to someone not “liking” butterflies or rainbows, and for my simple way of seeing things utterly incomprehensible.

    My departed mother loved jazz music along with opera and the “Great american songbook” : standards.

    Authenticjazzman “Mensa” society member since 1973, airborne qualified US Army vet, and pro jazz artist.

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  122. @Mao Cheng Ji

    What color do you think this brilliant young athlete is?:
     
    What does it have to do with anything? I know that human beings are not identical: some are taller and some shorter, some have darker skin, some sing better or run faster. Some like to play chess, while others prefer football. You pick some relatively arbitrary characteristics (while ignoring others) and construct categories you call 'races'. And then you essentialize these categories, as if they define people, define who they are.

    But that's only one way to look at things, and I don't think this is a particularly useful angle. You could see Yo Yo Ma as a Chinese, or you could see him as a violinist, or as an American violinist. Or as the father of two children. Or as a celebrity. It may turn out that his Chinese background is but a minor insignificant detail.

    Not sure exactly what your main point is but it seems to be an attempt to invalidate stereotyping. You can’t do that. Stereotyping is the basis of all perception, no sentient being could function without it. Denying the rectitude or validity of stereotyping, which is just a form of shorthand statistical reasoning, quickly leads to absurdity.

    For example, there is a drop of water. It’s comprised of a certain number of molecules and has a certain salinity level and has a certain ratio of Deuterium etc that would make it unique or nearly so. The drop is an individual. Even so, this drop of water is like other drops of water, such as those in rain or in puddles. If we insist on only seeing the drop of water for its individual attributes, and not part of a stereotyped category, should we attempt to walk on the surface that holds it? Trying to say some groups of water droplets, like the Pacific Ocean are different than others, like a wet sidewalk, is very hydrist. The anti-stereotype thing to do is to not make those kinds of group distinctions. Likewise, why bother with doors? Why not just walk through them? They’re well over 99% empty space. People who think they’re physical like to constuct ideas of doors and walls, but that ignores the uniqueness of the individual molecules and oppresses the safe space in between.

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  123. @Wizard of Oz
    "Only very minor, totally inconsequential changes may come from that". Sounds OK to me given the "crooked timber" available to vote for :-)

    Actually I see something very significant in your "You vote for a person". That is not the way it is in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, or Japan, perhaps India, Singapore and maybe quite a few others. There you vote for a party which normally tries pretty hard to carry out its program and that program usually contains quite a few elements that those who vote for it care about (partly because of market research with focus groups).

    Actually I see something very significant in your “You vote for a person”. That is not the way it is in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, or Japan, perhaps India, Singapore and maybe quite a few others. There you vote for a party which normally tries pretty hard to carry out its program and that program usually contains quite a few elements that those who vote for it care about (partly because of market research with focus groups).

    Yes. In a system with proportional representation you vote for a party platform, which is certainly preferable to voting for a person, who, simply by the fact of being able to place his name on the ballot, has proven himself to be among the most corrupt and power-hungry.

    Still, even with the proportional representation, as the political system evolves, the elites find ways to make elections meaningless, most of the time…

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    See #113

    Mind you various systems of PR can be fascinating to the ingeniuos mind. And the lodging of a small block of single issue enthusiasts in a Senate whose votes are needed to pass legislation can be a good or bad thing depending on how you see the issues. It is hard to regard the Israeli pandering to the extreme rightwing UltraOrthodox as a humam rights for a minority issue...

  124. You would be in good company even today amongst senior UK politicians and pundits – who ought to know better – in confusing proportional representation weigh the Alternative Vote (UK terminology) or. Preferential voting as we call it in Australia where where seven oy of eight governments, including the national one, are determined cby that system though PR does make some upper houses a nuisance.

    Of course compulsory voting means that no vast fund raising efforts and dishonest advertising (though it exists) are needed to get out the vote. Not having two year terms also helps.

    PR is deadly in two ways. One is the endless negotiating after an election to even form a government out of minorities. The other is the way that negotiating necessarily wipes out any promises! Plus, as I learneD I. Israel, party list PR means you don’t have a local member who knows what you care about.

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  125. @Mao Cheng Ji

    Actually I see something very significant in your “You vote for a person”. That is not the way it is in the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, or Japan, perhaps India, Singapore and maybe quite a few others. There you vote for a party which normally tries pretty hard to carry out its program and that program usually contains quite a few elements that those who vote for it care about (partly because of market research with focus groups).
     
    Yes. In a system with proportional representation you vote for a party platform, which is certainly preferable to voting for a person, who, simply by the fact of being able to place his name on the ballot, has proven himself to be among the most corrupt and power-hungry.

    Still, even with the proportional representation, as the political system evolves, the elites find ways to make elections meaningless, most of the time...

    See #113

    Mind you various systems of PR can be fascinating to the ingeniuos mind. And the lodging of a small block of single issue enthusiasts in a Senate whose votes are needed to pass legislation can be a good or bad thing depending on how you see the issues. It is hard to regard the Israeli pandering to the extreme rightwing UltraOrthodox as a humam rights for a minority issue…

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    • Replies: @Mao Cheng Ji
    Sure, any system is imperfect, susceptible to manipulations, and, if not constantly reformed, eventually collapses. But I think PR is cleaner, still. It also prevents the political system into degenerating into the meaningless two-party see-saw model, like in the US.
  126. @Wizard of Oz
    See #113

    Mind you various systems of PR can be fascinating to the ingeniuos mind. And the lodging of a small block of single issue enthusiasts in a Senate whose votes are needed to pass legislation can be a good or bad thing depending on how you see the issues. It is hard to regard the Israeli pandering to the extreme rightwing UltraOrthodox as a humam rights for a minority issue...

    Sure, any system is imperfect, susceptible to manipulations, and, if not constantly reformed, eventually collapses. But I think PR is cleaner, still. It also prevents the political system into degenerating into the meaningless two-party see-saw model, like in the US.

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  127. If i say that two party systems (incompatible in most countries with PR for forming government) can be just what is needed I am assuming that there is significant reform and decision making required without minority interest distortions. But all generalisations in human affairs are likely to depend on many particulars. Let’s say you have a country with considerable oil and mineral wealth and a labor market union dominated populist/socialist party. Then I suppose I would be all in favour of a legislature, or just one house that was elected by PR and could prevent the immediate nationalisation of industry such as in Latin America where it has been disastrous.

    Amazingly, both Australia and New Zealand under Labor governments reformed their economies in the 80s in the direction of free trade, floating currency and (though not as thoroughgoing as required for maximum productivity) enterprise bargaining in labor relations (instead of the infamous/great Australian tradition of one size fits all national awards by an Arbitration Commisdion). New Zealand then didn’t have the very peculiar mixed PR system for its legislature and was, and is, unicameral. Australia has, and had, a Senate eleted by PR in each state, usually only half the members each three years, but, in the 1980s it had only a small handful of members who weren’t in favour of the reforms which had been largely foreshadowed by the Liberal government before it lost office in 1983 and went into Opposition. However…

    The vice of PR was well illustrated by a conservative Labor senator from the very small state of Tasmania who managed to hang on as an independent who only got a tiny handful of primary votes – mostly from very conservative anti-abortion Catholics – but naturally got the major parties preferences ahead of the other major party. As the also reforming Liberal government elected in 1996 didn’t have the votes in the Senate (and Labor had switched back to its bad old self now refashioned into a career path for former student politicians, ethnic lobbyists and others you wouldn’t want as trustee of the family estate) this dinosaur in the Senate always traded his vote for outrageous extra subsidies for Tasmania or bans on the morning after pill being paid for by government.

    I am not sure what you mean by PR being cleaner. In theory little groups of enthusiasts might keep their separate parties pure, but it doesn’t often happen as human ambition and competitiveness supervene. More mess is the usual as governments try to herd cats to get the numbers.

    Also I see PR as not just another system susceptible to manipulations but one that embodies manipulation in an important sense. Just look at how long it often takes to form government after elections in Israel, Holland, Italy and (from memory) Belgium. And look at how little is left of election promises. Is that clean?

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  128. The vice of PR was well illustrated by a conservative Labor senator from the very small state of Tasmania…

    That’s not PR, what you’re describing. In PR you vote for a party, and parties vote as blocs, and individual senators are irrelevant.

    Just look at how long it often takes to form government after elections

    Why is that a problem? Conflicting interests represented by multiple parties are difficult to reconcile. This reflects the conflicting interests and sentiments in the society. It appears to be the most natural (if not the only) way to arrive at a compromise.

    Sometimes the government can’t be formed at all, and a new election is called. This is the message to the population: the way you all feel and vote – this society can’t function like this. Please adjust your priorities and vote for a different set of parties, that can find a compromise.

    So, this would be, imo, the most direct way to represent all (or most, anyway) segments of population.

    It’s true that sometimes a minority party can make unreasonable demands and derail the process (for example as it’s happening in Macedonia right now), but this is, again, an indication that the society itself is seriously sick. The society is sick, and you get a political crisis. Arguably, it’s preferable than ignoring the sickness and letting it grow…

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    Maybe there are party list systems of PR which would have excluded Senator Brian Harradine of Tasmania but they would have to do it by excluding the possibility of his registering a new party and running 3 or 5 or whatever number of candidates of whom just one would be elected (quite common in Australian upper houses). Presumably that would be done by invalidating all the votes for a party which didn't have say 10 per cent of the total after the first round of counting. I would approve because of its theoretical tendency to exclude small groups of single issue enthusiasts but you might see a democratic deficit there.

    A point you haven't dealt with is the invalidating of election promises by the need to form coalitions after an election.

    And it is only OK to be without a government for months if no serious emergencies arise. Of course standing orders might be enough to follow the NATO lead into battle...
  129. @Mao Cheng Ji

    The vice of PR was well illustrated by a conservative Labor senator from the very small state of Tasmania...
     
    That's not PR, what you're describing. In PR you vote for a party, and parties vote as blocs, and individual senators are irrelevant.

    Just look at how long it often takes to form government after elections
     
    Why is that a problem? Conflicting interests represented by multiple parties are difficult to reconcile. This reflects the conflicting interests and sentiments in the society. It appears to be the most natural (if not the only) way to arrive at a compromise.

    Sometimes the government can't be formed at all, and a new election is called. This is the message to the population: the way you all feel and vote - this society can't function like this. Please adjust your priorities and vote for a different set of parties, that can find a compromise.

    So, this would be, imo, the most direct way to represent all (or most, anyway) segments of population.

    It's true that sometimes a minority party can make unreasonable demands and derail the process (for example as it's happening in Macedonia right now), but this is, again, an indication that the society itself is seriously sick. The society is sick, and you get a political crisis. Arguably, it's preferable than ignoring the sickness and letting it grow...

    Maybe there are party list systems of PR which would have excluded Senator Brian Harradine of Tasmania but they would have to do it by excluding the possibility of his registering a new party and running 3 or 5 or whatever number of candidates of whom just one would be elected (quite common in Australian upper houses). Presumably that would be done by invalidating all the votes for a party which didn’t have say 10 per cent of the total after the first round of counting. I would approve because of its theoretical tendency to exclude small groups of single issue enthusiasts but you might see a democratic deficit there.

    A point you haven’t dealt with is the invalidating of election promises by the need to form coalitions after an election.

    And it is only OK to be without a government for months if no serious emergencies arise. Of course standing orders might be enough to follow the NATO lead into battle…

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    As far as I know, there's always a threshold, 5-7%, below which parties get no representation.

    Yeah, like I said, they compromise. That's what the parliamentary system is all about.
  130. @Wizard of Oz
    Maybe there are party list systems of PR which would have excluded Senator Brian Harradine of Tasmania but they would have to do it by excluding the possibility of his registering a new party and running 3 or 5 or whatever number of candidates of whom just one would be elected (quite common in Australian upper houses). Presumably that would be done by invalidating all the votes for a party which didn't have say 10 per cent of the total after the first round of counting. I would approve because of its theoretical tendency to exclude small groups of single issue enthusiasts but you might see a democratic deficit there.

    A point you haven't dealt with is the invalidating of election promises by the need to form coalitions after an election.

    And it is only OK to be without a government for months if no serious emergencies arise. Of course standing orders might be enough to follow the NATO lead into battle...

    As far as I know, there’s always a threshold, 5-7%, below which parties get no representation.

    Yeah, like I said, they compromise. That’s what the parliamentary system is all about.

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    • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    I don't think the Tasmanian lower house or any of the state or federal upper houses have a quota. It makes a fifference if course whether you have PR for a whole state or country or for subdivisions within them as is usual in Australia.

    As for the compromise you in an obvious sense right but it the circumstances and the kinds of compromise can matter. And the worst problem is perhaps the undermining of trust when it becomes apparent that office seeking politicians will use the necessity of compromise as an excuse to trash any and if necessary all promises.
  131. @Mao Cheng Ji
    As far as I know, there's always a threshold, 5-7%, below which parties get no representation.

    Yeah, like I said, they compromise. That's what the parliamentary system is all about.

    I don’t think the Tasmanian lower house or any of the state or federal upper houses have a quota. It makes a fifference if course whether you have PR for a whole state or country or for subdivisions within them as is usual in Australia.

    As for the compromise you in an obvious sense right but it the circumstances and the kinds of compromise can matter. And the worst problem is perhaps the undermining of trust when it becomes apparent that office seeking politicians will use the necessity of compromise as an excuse to trash any and if necessary all promises.

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    Sorry, no editing function available to fix the typos...
  132. @Wizard of Oz
    I don't think the Tasmanian lower house or any of the state or federal upper houses have a quota. It makes a fifference if course whether you have PR for a whole state or country or for subdivisions within them as is usual in Australia.

    As for the compromise you in an obvious sense right but it the circumstances and the kinds of compromise can matter. And the worst problem is perhaps the undermining of trust when it becomes apparent that office seeking politicians will use the necessity of compromise as an excuse to trash any and if necessary all promises.

    Sorry, no editing function available to fix the typos…

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