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Pop Quiz: Take out a sheet of paper. This will be fifty percent of your grade: Which of the above is the Norwegian? Which from Mr. Trump’s other category? With which would you rather have your children go to school?

Mr. Trump’s comment regarding his preference for immigrants from Norway instead of “shithole countries” such as Haiti engendered among the commentariat a great squealing. I cannot fathom this. Are they geographic virgins, and just don’t know anything of the world? Is it only the usual schadenfreudian gotcha pile-on? The if-A-then-B response to stimulus of a press corps with the freedom of thought I associate with a FORTRAN statement?

Shithole countries exist. Mr. Trump’s Haiti is one of them. Some other expression of more acceptable weaselhood might be employed: “hygienically-impaired conceivably preliterate ” or something.

If one takes “shithole” literally, Haiti is indeed excrementially challenged, I shamelessly steal this from John Derbyshire’s column on the Unz Review:

NPR: “A rainstorm on Good Friday last year filled the streets and alleys of one Port-au-Prince neighborhood with 3 feet of raw sewage.”

If unconvinced, try here.

However, Mr. Trump’s term is usually figurative, meaning something like filthy, backward, pitiable, poor, unspeakable, degraded, ignorant, and so on. This is Haiti.

I once spent a week in the slums of Cite Soleil, in Port au Prince with the US Army. It was godawful. Huts of corrugated iron, “streets” of packed dirt, actually paths maybe two feet wide between them, no sewerage, no electricity. No medical care or, so I was told, education. The impression was of an occupied garbage dump.

There were no guns, so the denizens went at each other with machetes, leading to missing limbs and exposed brains. Law enforcement did not exist. Witchcraft did. Haiti is voodoo territory.

One may sympathize with the inhabitants of such a Dantean sub-basement, and I did. One may imagine ways of helping such people, and I did, knowing that they had been tried without effect. Yet there is no point in whitewashing a disaster, in pretending that Haiti is not what it is.

One day beside one of the narrow street-side canals, ditches really, of filthy water I saw a dead man. He was of a rich mahogany color, clothed only in shorts, lying face down next to the ditch. Passers-by paid him no attention. Flies were beginning to gather.

Apparently he had been digging in the ditch–a pick lay nearby–and hit an electrical cable. The concussion seemed to have thrown him onto the bank. There was no sign that anyone was going to do anything about him.

No chance exists of integrating such people into the United States. It is insane to try. If you want to improve their lives, an impulse I commend, do it in Haiti. It won’t work, but you will have the satisfaction of having tried.

Those who have traveled little sometimes think that the world outside the developed countries is like Haiti. It is not. For all the talk about “Third World Hellholes” from bottle-blondes in New York, little of the “Third World,” whatever precisely that is, fits the description. (A phrase that includes Buenos Aires and Cite Soleil needs to be stood up against a wall and shot for fraud.)

Countries afflicted by poverty are not necessarily shitholes, and usually are not. If I inadvertently left my granddaughter of two years in a remote Vietnamese fishing village, I would be little concerned. Rather I would expect to find her a week later having become the queen of the village and being well cared for. The Vietnamese would not eat her.

It is a common pattern. Nepal is very poor. Yet in a remote Himalayan village above 12,000 feet, reachable only by days of hard walking or on tough little horses, you find civilized behavior. People are courteous, everyone is cared for, homes like rude American vacation cabins are clean and maintained, hygiene observed, children raised well. On the abandoned-granddaughter test, they would score an A. The only damage done would be that you would spend years trying to tell the tyke why she couldn’t have her own yak.

Another candidate for shithole status is Somalia, only barely a country. When I was there it had no signs of a government. Many people there lived in the wild in huts of thorn bush covered with cardboard or cloth. I once watched the absurd spectacle of a State Department official riding into the bush in a jeep, containing me, to negotiate road-building rights with puzzled nomads who didn’t own the rights but were happy to take payment. By comparison, Alice in Wonderland seems brutally realistic.

For whatever reason, the worst of the Trumpian apertures are in Africa. On racial grounds, the media ignore that cannibalism flourishes, that albinos are hunted down and killed for the magical powers attributed to their body parts. (Dead serious. LA Times: “In parts of Africa, people with albinism are hunted for their body parts. The latest victim: a 9-year-old boy.”)

Papua-New Guinea. One may wish to bring these gentlefolk the benefits of medicine, schooling, clothes. Good. Bring them anything, except to Idaho.
Papua-New Guinea. One may wish to bring these gentlefolk the benefits of medicine, schooling, clothes. Good. Bring them anything, except to Idaho.

Mr. Trump suggested that it would be wiser to admit migrants from Norway. He is of course exactly right. It is not clear why Norwegians would leave their ordered and civilized country for the social chaos, racial violence, and degraded culture of America, but never mind. Yet, however ill-advised, they would assimilate quickly. Norwegians speak English. They can count beyond ten. They only occasionally practice witchcraft or hunt albinos. Some authorities deny that they do these things at all.

How can anyone, unaided by the better grades of mushroom, expect people from such Trumpian–yes, hell holes–to fit into Iowa? They have nothing in common with Americans–not language, schooling, religion, morals, familiarity with civilization, European heritage or, it would seem, intelligence. Having imported them in the throes of the current fad for multiculturalism, the country will have them for all time. Splendid. Just splendid.

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  1. Mr Reed knocks it out of the park! Trump may have used incautious and undiplomatic language, but places like Haiti are among the lower Dantean circles of hell. Haiti has had its share of mistreatment (the French demand for reparation for abolition of slavery and lost property drained the country for decades,) but they seem utterly incapable of evolving any sort of decent civil society.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Twodees Partain
  2. fnn says:

    DHS Sec. Nielsen not happy with repetitive and stupid questions:

    http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dhs-secretary-snaps-after-democrats-push-her-on-shithole-comment-i-have-answered-this/article/2646051

    In her replies to Leahy and Senate Minority Leader Dick Durbin, D-Ill., Nielsen said she never heard those comments.

    “There was, I apologize, I don’t remember a specific word,” she said in her exchange with Durbin. “What I was struck with — the general profanity that was used in the room by almost everyone.”

    “Did you hear me use profanity?” Durbin asked. When Nielsen said she did not, Durbin then asked if she heard Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., use profane language.

    “I did hear tough language from Senator Graham … he used tough language. He was impassioned,” she said.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  3. willem1 says:

    Fred–great article as usual. However:

    “I once spent a week in the slums of Cite Soleil, in Port au Prince with the US Army. It was godawful. Huts of corrugated iron, “streets” of packed dirt, actually paths maybe two feet wide between them, no sewerage, no electricity. No medical care or, so I was told, education. The impression was of an occupied garbage dump…There were no guns, so the denizens went at each other with machetes, leading to missing limbs and exposed brains. Law enforcement did not exist….”

    Personal experience this old is not often enough relevant to today’s conditions to be worth mentioning. For every such “third world” place that was a dump 30-40years ago and still is today, there is another that is miraculously transformed. During my US Navy time back in the 70s, I saw a lot of coastal Asia, and the standard of living often shocked me, a kid who grew up in middle-class suburban Chicago. Revisiting some of these cities today is equally shocking, but for a different reason–the transformation over the intervening years has been nothing short of amazing.

    Might want to leave this section out.

  4. Is it only the usual schadenfreudian gotcha pile-on? The if-A-then-B response to stimulus of a press corps with the freedom of thought I associate with a FORTRAN statement?

    Yes, exactly.

    I can recognize these as rhetorical questions, but can’t resist answering. Consider it a form of applause.

  5. Escher says:
    @willem1

    I don’t know if Haiti is much different since Mr. Reed last visited.

    • Agree: Colin Wright
    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  6. fnn says:
    @willem1

    There was no military presence in Haiti between 1934 and 1994. So Fred is referring to events of 1994 or later. You just can’t find any news of any major positive changes in Haiti since 1994.

    • Replies: @utu
    , @Colin Wright
  7. Despite coming from a country a tenth as rich as Mexico, Haitian ancestry households in the US have a median income 10k USD higher than Mexican-Americans – and 3k higher than Nepali-Americans. Based on that it would seem a lot less insane to integrate them into American society vs the tens of millions of Central Americans in-country.

    The comments on Africa are rather sweeping. Rwanda was ranked the 7th best run government in the world by one measure, beating out Luxembourg and Switzerland.

    https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000169408/rwanda-ranked-africa-s-most-efficient-government-7th-globally

    Who would have predicted that 25 years ago when the inhabitants were merrily chopping each other to death?

    Mogadishu in Somalia meanwhile is experiencing a housing boom while the country recovers from the chaos of the 90s. The Chinese built an airport there last year, there are a lot of hydrocarbons waiting to be extracted from Somalian waters. That follows on from the aid and investments made there by Turkey. The countrymen of the puzzled nomads signed a trade pact with Turkey yesterday aiming to take trade to 200m USD annually. It was 6m seven years ago.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/afp/article-3382523/Somalia-housing-boom-Mogadishu-emerges-ashes-war.html

    https://www.ft.com/content/bae31b04-fa6f-11e5-8f41-df5bda8beb40

    Few if any Norwegians would look to emigrate to the US. They have a rich country, free healthcare, get 5 weeks of vacation and the working day is 730 to 330. What normal person would trade that to come to America? You all should think about moving here to Europe instead of having your taxes support 45 million Latinos and their descendants for the next few decades.

  8. Figures Fred Reed would write this. Picking on Haiti is now part of the Official Narrative being used to make Mexico appear better, which it really isn’t, by much. Both countries still suffer cholera outbreaks, which is the true definition of living in a shithole.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @CraigAustin
  9. Truth says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    Despite coming from a country a tenth as rich as Mexico, Haitian ancestry households in the US have a median income 10k USD higher than Mexican-Americans – and 3k higher than Nepali-Americans.

    Uh oh.

  10. Realist says:

    “They have nothing in common with Americans–not language, schooling, religion, morals, familiarity with civilization, European heritage or, it would seem, intelligence.”

    Above all intelligence.

  11. Realist says:
    @Bragadocious

    Mexico is considerably higher, on the totem pole, than Haiti

  12. Renoman says:

    The voice of reason as usual, GO FRED!

  13. Forget my children … I know which I want to go to school with.

    BTW, doesn’t a FORTRAN IF-THEN require an END IF?

  14. I wish to put a stop to all of this shithole yammering by all of you extremist retardates.

    The proper term (per Peace Corps staff witch doctors) is “fecalized environment”.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/what_i_learned_in_peace_corps_in_africa_trump_is_right.html

    • LOL: Carroll Price
  15. wasn’t it because of usa haiti became a shithole? I distinctly remember reading something about how usa forced some kind of business/trade policy that killed haiti’s economy.

    like a doomsday version of what japan got from usa in the early 90s.

  16. anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    wasn’t it because of usa haiti became a shithole?

    Interesting you mention that.

    https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/01/16/what-is-a-shithole-country-and-why-is-trump-so-obsessed-with-haiti/

    One more example of the breathtaking evil of America.

    • Replies: @Wally
  17. turtle says:

    Here is the way “African-Americans” “solve” problems:

    https://www.pe.com/2018/01/03/suspect-named-murder-charges-brought-in-attack-on-off-duty-san-bernardino-county-sheriffs-deputy/

    Civility, or one might truly say, civilization, IS a “racist construct.”
    It was invented by civilized humans, among which African tribes are not
    represented.

    Yes, I know, that is a “racist” comment.
    It also appears to be true.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  18. Tom57 says:

    Fred, I like you and I think you are great. I even bought one of your books and was not disappointed. Where you go very wrong is in thinking that immigrants from the Caribean and Africa will and up like African Americans. It has long been known to anybody who cares to enquire that non native Blacks are much less criminal and much higher achievers than native norn blacks. In fact this puzzling fact is convenient to no one. Stupos like Charles Murray don´t like to mention this fact as it contradicts their strange obession with race and IQ. Native blacks don´t like to talk about it as it contradicts their whinging about racism.
    Just to give you one example of how leftists try to deal with this puzzling fact: https://digitalcommons.kennesaw.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=https://www.google.de/&httpsredir=1&article=1181&context=jgi
    They can´t. I can´t write a whole article here but please consider that I have studied Haiti, been there and truly think you observations are believable regarding the week you spent there. What I can´t believe is that you ever have walked through a bad slum in the US. Because it is way worse. Not economically but crime wise. Please do so.
    Regarding Haiti I think it is quite similar to Ireland. An Ireland long gone. A place with with much to many children. A place with no development. A place where a corrupt elite kept the population down with the help of an equally corrupt clerical base. Please read Angela´s Ashes by Frank McCourt.
    Same poverty, same hopelessness like in Haiti. Also criminality but rather like in Haiti and not like in a US ghetto.
    Haiti has one great plus. Again same like in Ireland. They threw off their colonial overlords (plantation owners) and founded a society of small land owners. It didn´t bring them happiness as their former overlords successfully strangled their attempts at development. But they managed to gain a sort of dignity that eludes former slaves in the US to this day.
    Finally Fred: I know you are an open minded man. Please take these words as honestly spoken. I am not an ideologue. These are my true observations.

  19. Corvinus says:
    @Adolf Verloc

    “Haiti has had its share of mistreatment (the French demand for reparation for abolition of slavery and lost property drained the country for decades,) but they seem utterly incapable of evolving any sort of decent civil society.”

    Mistreatment? No, try barbarism at the hands of Europeans. Haitians are still paying the price.

    Now, just for S+G’s, what are your metrics for “decent civil society”? Why?

  20. Corvinus says:
    @turtle

    You could learn something here, so pay attention.

    Leave it to Fred to give a false comparison Fake News style. Generally speaking, a person who sees a photograph depicting a tribal group performing a religious ceremony and an attractive blonde will naturally say “Yes, I want the young lady in my country”. But to have an accurate representation, one needs to have two photographs depicting two men/two women of a similar appearance, one from Senegal and one from Norway. Even in this situation, one has to account for significant bias, considering that people may ONLY find a man/woman desirable from their own race or ethnic group. Which, in the end, amounts to a personal opinion.

    Basically, Fred is pandering to his base. No surprise.

    “Papua-New Guinea. One may wish to bring these gentlefolk the benefits of medicine, schooling, clothes. Good. Bring them anything, except to Idaho.”

    Except the tribal group is perfectly content to stay there. And this group does have medicine, schooling, and clothes, just different from Europeans. See, the “western standard” is not the end all and be all. But with the European “invade the world, invite the world” mentality, those groups should have been more than happy to receive English or French or Portuguese “gifts”.

    Of course, Fred forgets that there are some Americans who believe, wrongly of course, that Fred is married to a “native” who belongs to a group that is other than civilized. The hypocrisy evidently escapes him.

    • Agree: Anon-og
  21. @willem1

    “Coastal Asia”? Care to be more specific? Were you in the Persian Gulf? Off the coast of Turkey? If you want to talk about “Asia,” we need details. Asia covers a huge percentage of the Earth’s landmass. The next step is to learn to distinguish between Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, and Chinese, not to mention Filipinos, Indonesians, Cambodians, Laotians, Burmese, and Thai. Then on to the Subcontinent to learn about the great tribes and languages there. Perhaps you were very near to Chennai? And we’ve only scratched the surface.

  22. The bankers and generals run this country, so why should we care whom they decide to admit? I don’t see any concern about the origin of all this wealth. It’s not that Americans live well, we don’t. Nevertheless, our miserable lives require vast amounts of energy and resources to sustain. Since our ruling class can’t let go of the mid 20th-century business model, we’ll have to take the refugees along with the stolen loot.

    • Replies: @Toby Keith
  23. The Human Development Index (HDI) is a composite statistic (composite index) of life expectancy, education, and per capita income indicators, which are used to rank countries into four tiers of human development. A country scores higher HDI when the lifespan is higher, the education level is higher, and the GDP per capita is higher. The HDI was developed by Pakistani economist, Mahbub ul Haq, for the UNDP.[1][2]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

    In recent years, the top nation was:

    The year represents when the report was published. In parentheses is the year for which the index was calculated.

    2017 (2015): Norway
    2015 (2014): Norway
    2014 (2013): Norway
    2013 (2012): Norway
    2011 (2011): Norway
    2010 (2010): Norway
    2009 (2007): Norway
    2008 (2006): Iceland

    So President Trump suggested that Americans (ranked #10) would benefit by favoring immigrants from a #1 ranked nation. Who could object to this reasoning?

    • Replies: @hyperbola
  24. llloyd says: • Website

    I note the only Unz reports on Haiti are about the slums in its capital. They do sound dreadful, consequence of third world over population. But outside the capital, in let us say a fishing village in Haiti, most people are doing ok. Haiti courageously overthrew its French cruel slave owners. Unlike others I could name, they didn’t spend the next century whingeing about it and hunting down their former masters. Indeed they even agreed to pay an indemnity to their former masters. They should have told them to get f””””. But being Christians even their own version, they tried to make amends. Non French whites continued to live in Haiti and assimilated. That makes them less a shit hole, more like a moral lesson.

  25. You’re just resentful that your genes would soon disappear in competition with those of muscular men who can dance without biting their bottom lip. The one in the back even appears to be the intellectual in the group.

    Just be glad you’ve already bred, Reed.

  26. utu says:
    @fnn

    He is confabulating.

  27. Wally says:
    @Corvinus

    How is Haiti “still paying the price”?

    Did France give them IQs in the 60s?

    And why haven’t you volunteered to help them?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  28. Wally says:
    @anonymous

    You’ve provided yet another example of shithole building codes.

    Certainly then, you’ve volunteered to help Haiti.

    And how much of your income do you donate to Haiti & other ‘shitholes’?

  29. renfro says:
    @Corvinus

    …..but they seem utterly incapable of evolving any sort of decent civil society.”

    Oh I think they could evolve just fine in the right conditions—their problem is the same as many countries—-they cant rid themselves of dictators who steal the money and suck the country dry.

    A little history helps in understanding what happened to Haiti

    http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/History/Haiti-history.htm

    BTW…80% of Haiti is catholic .

    In the mean while I am tired of the largest shithole I have seen lately ..the shit hole that is in Fred’s head.

    I agree with much of the criticism of some black nations and the black culture faults that cause it…..BUT ……. Fred’s constant vomiting up of his hypocritical and cesspool excrement covered racism is too much for my sense of fairness.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  30. To what extent does Orange City fit into Iowa ?
    It consists of very religous Dutch, seems a copy of the Dutch bible belt small towns, where shops are not allowed to open on a few Sundays, as is customary all over the Netherlands.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  31. Wally says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    As for Ali Choudhury’s cited one world government WEF – World Economic Forum, and it’s laughable claims about Rwanda here:

    https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/article/2000169408/rwanda-ranked-africa-s-most-efficient-government-7th-globally

    this is another example of the absurd propaganda by them:

    World Economic Forum: President Trump Paris Decision Increases the Threat of a Global Environmental Collapse

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/01/17/world-economic-forum-president-trump-paris-decision-increases-the-threat-of-a-global-environmental-collapse/

  32. Alfred says:
    @willem1

    Haiti is a good deal worse than it was when Graham Greene wrote his famous novel about it – “the Comedians”

    He also wrote another excellent book about another place that was also far better off 80 years ago – Liberia. This travel book is “Journey Without Maps”

    The fact that similar people inhabit both sides of the Pond is no coincidence IMHO.

  33. Jewies can be described as a international or borderless shitholes?? I remember the movie International Jew where showed eastern Jews were often neglected about hygiene habits…

  34. Are there barbadian immigrants loving in USA??? Would be interesting to analyze their standard living there or in Great Bitchrain.

    Living… Ai ai ai

  35. Biff says:

    I once spent a week in the slums of Cite Soleil, in Port au Prince with the US Army. It was godawful. Huts of corrugated iron, “streets” of packed dirt, actually paths maybe two feet wide between them, no sewerage, no electricity. No medical care or, so I was told, education. The impression was of an occupied garbage dump.

    One should keep in mind that Haiti is a western construct entirely – top to bottom. The natives were wiped out five hundred years ago.

  36. JessicaR says:

    The photo of Africans is grossly misleading and plays on stereotypes held by Americans who watched too many Tarzan movies as children.

    Yes, there are still Africans who live in huts and wear traditional clothing, but large numbers of Africans live in houses and wear standard western clothing. African countries have universities and the graduates I have met have been intelligent, polished people.

    Igbo people from Nigeria who come to the US are often high-achieving. Their children score well on the SATs,, are admitted to Ivy Leagues, and become professionals.

    I am sure many Norwegians are wonderful people but there are sectors within the African population who are also educated and accomplished.

  37. It seems a poor standard to import people on the basis of what “they could be” as opposed to what ” they are”.

    • Replies: @Wally
  38. n230099 says:

    “‘Did you hear me use profanity?’ Durbin asked”

    Watching ‘turban-durbin’ become frustrated and testy was delicious. Clearly he doesn’t get it that many consider everything out of his purty little mouth to be profane.

  39. @JessicaR

    Western way of life is not a only-one respectable way to live. The question is not to ”still” live in the jungle but always the stupidity//lunacy for example ”hunt” and kill albino people because ”religion”.

    In the end it’s a very bad news that many africans have adopting too expensive, faillable western way of life.

  40. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Wally

    Not an argument

  41. @miss marple

    muscular men who can dance without biting their bottom lip.

    The only white people I’ve ever seen do that are chicks.

    bred, Reed.

    The kind of try-hards earnestly attempting to “get funky” to prove how “with it” they be–sorta like a poet who prefers off-rhymes to words that chime, you see.

    I’m not sure you’re ready for this jelly, “jane”

  42. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Fred is married to a “native” who belongs to a group that is other than civilized. The hypocrisy evidently escapes him.

    That’s because the hypocrisy exists only in your imagination, a bizarre and unexplored barbarous territory .

  43. hvlee says:
    @willem1

    Fred takes a break from defending Mexico. Or maybe this is just defense by contrast.

  44. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder if Fred knows why he was in Haiti with the US Army.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  45. @Bragadocious

    Any country that people try to escape from on a raft of garbage, is a shit hole.

  46. Some curiosities in the article that struck me:

    1. Mention of partially dismembered individuals (pun intended) but no mention of the perpetrating parties, to wit, the US sponsored FRAPH and attachés.

    2. Much bellyaching about Haiti’s current situation—veritably a shithole—with complete silence about the ongoing US/Canadian/French/UN occupation of Haiti since February 29, 2004. Standard export of entropy, with support, via training as police officers, of the known, prosecuted under Aristide, and denied entry to Canada in 1999, pedophiles of the former Haitian national army. The RCMP has been training these pesos as cops since 2004.

    Until the last fraudulent election, Haiti’s elections under occupation were all run, in violation of the Haitian constitution, by Canada. The latest fraudulent occupation election was run by Obama, who lacked Canadian finesse of denying the majority political party the opportunity to run, which resulted in tiny turnouts. Instead, fraudulent ballot counts per ballot box were the order of the day.

    3. Silence about Haiti’s actual murder rate, which went from 7/100k per annum prior to the pedo occupation to over 10/100k per annum under occupation—although the question may legitimately be raised whether the additional murders are societal, or merely misregistered murders by the occupation authorities.

    To wit, in Kevin Pina’s Haiti the untold story, released about two years into the occupation, the tag on one of the murder victims, placed by the occupation authorities, was inscribed with a number over 10k. On the assumption of sequential numbering, the death toll would be in excess of 500/100k per annum; the standard deviation on Poisson grounds would be 7/100k per annum, which dwarfs the apparent growth in murder rate under pedophile occupation.

    4. The PC clowns in the comments make worship of genocidal maniac Kagame—former Kagame ally Eric Hakizimana estimated 2 million Hutus killed by RPA in 1994, while there were only 600 thousand Tutsis in 1991, i.e. bulk of genocide was Tutsis killing Hutus. US intervention in Rwanda started on or before 1 October 1990. Prior to that, Rwanda was a decent country, and Tutsis, despite being former feudal aristocrats, had comfortable lives. Kagame also sends his thugs to assist the pedo occupation of Haiti, under UN auspices. Since 1994, Kagame killed another 5-10 million in Congo Kinshasa.

    Conclusion:

    If your president would be so kind as to withdraw completely from the shithole countries, and stop all US support for terrorists in the shithole countries, the handlers of said terrorists would quickly complain, thereby outing themselves. Serious prosecution of said handlers would dwarf serious prosecutions of those alleged cheese pizza afficionados.

    • Agree: Anon-og
  47. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Fruit of the loom pays Haitian’s over $7 a day. In Vietnam the slaves are typically paid about .26 per hour. Sounds like US is playing the Asians off the Blacks the way they usually do.

  48. OBEE says:
    @Tom57

    I wouldn’t use Frank McCourt as a guide to anything much less Ireland in the Forties and Fifties. His book is a novel, fiction. The Irish slums of Limerick were poorer than the Irish slums of, say, New York but much the same in one respect: the Church you deride and the Irish state worked to educate the children – harshly often but effectively mostly. McCourt was one of those guys who everafter rankled because a priest told him not to beat his meat in confession. The world is full of them.

  49. wj says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    40 percent of Indian citizens have no toileting facilities other than the street. Let’s bring more of those here.

    • Replies: @Ali Choudhury
  50. This racist view would hold some water the day America decides to prefer stealing resources from white countries as opposed to robbing the shithole countries dry.

    ‘We steal your resources illegally, but you are not good enough to be among us legally’

    White Racists…do you see the stupidity here? This is why you are occupied despite all your superior genes and guns. This is why Zionism is winning…cuz at least it promotes equality and universality.

    • Replies: @Toby Keith
  51. @Corvinus

    I don’t usually reply to your endless BS arguments, but I got here from Renfro, as the kids say on youtube. But this??

    Mistreatment? No, try barbarism at the hands of Europeans. Haitians are still paying the price.

    Yeah, there was lots of barbarism, all over the world, and I’ve read that the French treatment of those slaves was nothing like the fairly good treatment blacks got in the South (US). Still, that was > 200 years ago! If people can’t get their shit(hole) together in 200 years, they are NEVER gonna.

    Hey, maybe my house is a bit of a mess due to the barbarism during the Roman times, but I tend to think it’s more because the wife has been studying hard, and I do the outside stuff. No, I didn’t blame it on the Romans when I had to install my own new sewer line either, I blamed it on the tampons (they are ALWAYS the last straw when roots have about clogged up the line already.

    Not having a shithole of a place to live is a just a matter of getting off one’s ass and getting the work done. Haitians don’t do that.

    You’ve got a lot of nerve coming on here with your shitholier-than-thou attitude and telling us the Hatians are still the Europeans’ problem.

    Apollo 12 lunar landing and the furthest any nation in the world has ever come from being a shithole.

  52. WJ says:
    @JessicaR

    In reality, these fellows are probably preferable to the ever growing number of Africans living in the continent’s ghastly, horrible mega-cities. They are expanding rapidly, especially in East Africa , from Angola to Senegal and Ghana and they are truly terrifying in their filth, crime and violence.

    • Replies: @Jackalizer
  53. Very good article, Mr. Reed. I get sick of your defense of all things Mexican, though I completely agree with you that it is not a full shithole. Would you not admit there are parts that are? Yes, I’d agree that the US has lots, but it’s almost exclusively inner city ghettos, while Mexico has large very poor areas, and others big regions controlled by the Narcos.

    I’ve been told even by missionaries that have spend their own money and time and feel a stake in it, that Haiti is just plain un-fixable – no, they didn’t use the world shithole, but I’m sure they’d have nodded if I did.

  54. @jilles dykstra

    Well, just for starters, the religious Dutch in one city in Iowa:

    a) don’t adhere to a religion that preaches blowing up infidels and other stuff

    b) are people one could feel completely safe around and even not have to be wary with the little ones.

    c) don’t mooch off of the taxpayers, via the welfare system, WIC, SSID, Medicaid, EE-Credit, ad infinitum.

    d) add value to the community via maintenance of their abodes and the holding down of productive jobs.

    e) do not hold rallies for “religious Dutch rights”

    f) are not open on Sunday, just like most stores weren’t on ANY Sunday till afternoon in the South until 25 years ago or less. OMG!

    What’s the problem?

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  55. @Biff

    One should keep in mind that Haiti is a western construct entirely – top to bottom.

    Absolutely, Biff …
    .
    .
    .

    That is, if by “western” you mean western Africa. Yes, I’m pretty sure most of them came from the western portion of Africa, but there may have been some Easterners too.

  56. @Wally

    Man, I love NGOs, they are so realistic and their ratings are so meaningful.

  57. @Wally

    The clickbaity headline disappoints. Below is what the Davos men actually said.

    °In the run-up to the US president’s speech to its annual meeting in Davos, Switzerland, next week, the WEF avoided mentioning Trump by name but said “nation-state unilateralism” would make it harder to tackle global warming and ecological damage.°

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  58. Mr. Reed, normally an extremely reasonable man, has truly missed the mark on this one. The sheer awfulness of our head of state referring to Haiti as he did rests on the fact that, for over a hundred years, it has been our tax money hard at work, through invasions, occupations, embargoes, coupes d’etat, that destroyed any and all attempts of the Haitian people to bring order to their hapless country, regarding it only as a place of pillage. To then torment these victims of our never-ending plundering and neglect with a nasty, base insult is the nadir of ignorance, arrogance and hubris . In country after country, we have deliberately created destruction and chaos and then, of course, blamed the survivors for their poor quality of life.

  59. @wj

    Indian Americans have the highest median household income in the US, even more than the Jewish population. Going without toilets maybe incentivises them to work harder than the slacker Norwegian Americans who earn more than 30k less.

    By the math here 1 Indian household is roughly equivalent to 1 Norwegian plus 1 Mexican. President Trump’s skill based immigration plan would likely bring a lot more Asians into the country vs Nordics. They have the brains, the hunger and the desire to live in a country with a better environment and more temperate weather.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Toby Keith
  60. @Adolf Verloc

    “Trump may have used incautious and undiplomatic language,”

    Or, he may not have. Considering the sources claiming he did, it’s doubtful that he said any such thing. Those who claim he said “shitholes are serial liars in need of rude handling.

    • Replies: @prusmc
    , @MarkinLA
  61. @willem1

    No, willem1, if anything Haiti is worse now than it was 30-40 years ago, with the possible exception that you mighthave been hacked to death or tortured by tontons macoutes back then. Might want to leave this section in.

  62. @Astuteobservor II

    Haiti was shithole as far back as the days when there was no interference from the USA. In 1791, there wasn’t even much of a US Navy or State Department. If you want to place blame outside Haiti for what Haiti has always been since those days, blame the French.

    The French established Haiti as a hellhole for African slaves,in order to gain riches via sugar plantations, then allowed it to become a shithole once those slaves overthrew their masters. If you find the article, post a link to it.

  63. Dr. X says:

    How can anyone, unaided by the better grades of mushroom, expect people from such Trumpian–yes, hell holes–to fit into Iowa? They have nothing in common with Americans–not language, schooling, religion, morals, familiarity with civilization, European heritage or, it would seem, intelligence.

    I’ll tell you how. The Jewish power brokers (e.g., Schumer) do everything the can to subdivide, adulterate, and sow chaos among the goyim, while retaining strict racial purity, tight borders, and uniculturalism for Israel.

    The reason is that the Tribe can maintain a tight grip when they are unified and everyone else is divided.

    Always ask… cui bono?

  64. prusmc says:
    @Twodees Partain

    I understand that there were five (5) people in the room. Three refute what Durban says and Lindsey Graham neither confirms nor refutes it. Apparently, he either is confused or has a memoty lapse.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  65. @WJ

    Well, yes & no. Not everyone sees it that way. Depends on what you value more.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/african-americans-moving-africa-180116092736345.html

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  66. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Iowa is entirely dependent on Pentagon socialism. Endless handouts of defense department welfare and entitlements.

    Midwest evangelicals view the world as a fairy tale of two extremes thus vast swaths of flyover country are the ‘go-to’ hicks of empire – management, production, hyper-patriotism and opiates – a more magnificent spectacle of a shithole.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Alden
  67. @willem1

    During my US Navy time back in the 70s, I saw a lot of coastal Asia, and the standard of living often shocked me, a kid who grew up in middle-class suburban Chicago. Revisiting some of these cities today is equally shocking, but for a different reason–the transformation over the intervening years has been nothing short of amazing.

    Sorry, but this is hardly comprehensible. Much of Asia is the cradle of civilization covered with temporary dirt.

    Haiti, on the other hand, along with Subsaharan Africa & most blacks inhabited Caribbean, is the example of impeccable shitholerry, now & then. And forever.

  68. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @TonyVodvarka

    Americans are the next source of precious bodily fluids needed to sustain the rich. At this point any pretense of hiding gangster rule is left to fake progressives who wear pussy hats. To them, Trump is something huge we should pay attention to – hanging on his every utterance.

    All a puppet show. The future for so many Americans is either Haitian-style bitch work in an Amazon warehouse, prison or an earlier death which poverty always provides.

    • Agree: TonyVodvarka
    • Replies: @Alden
  69. Talha says:

    If you want to improve their lives, an impulse I commend, do it in Haiti.

    This should be etched in stone with gold.

    If there is improvement, then it will be an improvement that will be in jive with and as per their local culture allows. There is little hope we will be seeing atom smashers being built in Haiti in the foreseeable future but that does not preclude things like reasonable plumbing and electricity and a rise in the overall healthcare.

    You may not want them inhabiting your town, but there’s no reason not to want well for them where they are at. I like Mr. Reed’s attitude on this.

    Peace.

  70. @Ali Choudhury

    … but said “nation-state unilateralism” would make it harder to tackle global warming and ecological damage.”

    I believe you that the headline was “Trumped up” (get it, haha), but it’s the same BS – gotta agree with Wally on the gist of it.

    I’m just wondering whether these NGO’s and Davos Men understand that a shithole is a shithole, no matter whether it was created by indigenous population having no ability to create a civilization along with a population that gets too large for the land, or whether it’s from importing way too many people from shithole countries. Do they know that shitholes, as a hole ;-}, are not really the best thing for Mother Gaia? I’m sure most of them know that the Global Climate Disruption(TM) deal is complete nonsense, so there’s no need to tackle anything there.

    Without a lot of foreigners, America cleaned up pretty damn good, by 1980 or so. I would imagine if people have a notion that they have a stake in the land (blood/soil) for their progency, they will make a much better effort to keep their countries shithole-free, were they able based on ability (unlike the Haitians).

  71. @Anonymous

    Iowa is entirely dependent on Pentagon socialism. Endless handouts of defense department welfare and entitlements.

    Yes, that is explained by all the corn. You do know that Iowa is one big-ass cornfield, don’t you?

    Is corn some kind of new stealth material for super-projectiles the Pentagon is all a gog-gog about? I have not been privy to anything with my low security clearance categorization.

  72. Wally says:
    @Rhett Hardwick

    And what they could be is what they are.

    The neo-Marxists tell us that these savages are a ‘plus’ for The West in spite of them not being a plus for Haiti / Africa.

    ‘Plus’ then = equals voting for Democrats/Leftists

  73. Talha says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    Mogadishu in Somalia meanwhile is experiencing a housing boom while the country recovers from the chaos of the 90s.

    This is right, the private-sector economy is doing fairly well – there aren’t crazy government bureaucracies getting in the way. I have read multiple articles where Somalis are even movign back to Somalia:

    http://www.hurstpublishers.com/somalias-diaspora-slowly-returning-mogadishu/

    Hopefully, if they can get they extremist violence down even more, things will be even better. This seems to be a very good development for everyone including their host countries. If Somalia is stable, then European countries will not think it is so bad if they send certain people back for misbehaving.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  74. Talha says:
    @TonyVodvarka

    The interventions into Haiti’s politics from outsiders also cannot be dismissed. It’s like pointing at Iraq now and mentioning the open sewage in the streets but forgetting we bombed the hell out of their water treatment and energy plants. You make some good points.

    Peace.

  75. Incitatus says:

    “Mr. Trump suggested that it would be wiser to admit migrants from Norway. He is of course exactly right. It is not clear why Norwegians would leave their ordered and civilized country for the social chaos, racial violence, and degraded culture of America, but never mind.”

    The GOP used to demean ‘Old Europe’ as socialist pits. Universal health care, high civic standards and generous “welfare” benefits. Sure, they look like us, but would spoil our Darwinian utopia. How times change!

    Perhaps high-achiever Anders Behring Breivik can be recruited. 77 dead and 319 wounded is nothing to scoff at! Raised Lutheran, he now follows Odin and warns feminism, Islam and “Cultural Marxism” are “cultural suicide.” A “counterjihadadist” dedicated to “ethno-nationalism,” a Freemason and Knight Templar. Sound familiar? He even gave the Hitlergruß at the beginning of his trial!

    No problem with sanity. Avoided military service and suffers from “narcissistic personality disorder.” Qualifications for high office in the US. Like other Norwegians, he’s a hard worker. Now studying for a BA in political science – imagine that on his résumé!

    If positively evaluated he’ll be released after ten (10) years of “preventive detention.” A cruel 48 days confinement for each fatality! With only PlayStation 2 to sharpen motor skills!

    So keep Anders in mind. One thing’s for sure – he’s not from Haiti. He’d find plenty of friends – just as white and high IQ – here at Unz. Maybe he could write articles and host a blog. The NRA could even hire him as a spokesperson!

    • Replies: @Toby Keith
    , @Talha
  76. Rurik says:

    No chance exists of integrating such people into the United States. It is insane to try. If you want to improve their lives, an impulse I commend, do it in Haiti

    Much the same could be said of most Third World nations, but I have seen and do know Haitians that have assimilated nicely.

    And indeed, they’re often far more pleasant than the ‘chip on the shoulder’ generation of angry and militant (and hyper-racist) American-born and Hollywood-bred blacks, who feel that whitey owes them everything.

    As for helping them, what they need is birth control, but between the white American liberals who always want more and more blacks and browns, (even as Africa stares at a looming demographic catastrophe) and white American Christians, (who know that every sperm is sacred), none seem to be forthwith.

    Haiti, more than anything else is a microcosm of the disaster of blind, mindless human breeding, that all peoples of the (especially emerging Third) world seem to be engaged in with a vengeance. Or, failing that, (the West is) importing super-breeders from the Third World to guarantee the kinds of inevitable problems you’ll have when you over-burden your finite ecosystems and living space out of infinite greed, stupidity, and tribalism.

  77. @Talha

    “It’s like pointing at Iraq now and mentioning the open sewage in the streets but forgetting we bombed the hell out of their water treatment and energy plants.”

    Talha, your comparison does not hold. Before that illegal, immoral war, the Iraqis were indeed able to build and maintain those water treatment and energy treatment plants, and it’s precisely the American bombing you mentioned that destroyed them (with horrendous consequences, most especially for children). The Haitians on the other hand have never been able to build anything of the kind, or even maintain that which was built for them by others.

  78. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Ammunition too. The magic of the surburbs is that this type of thing has been hidden. The magic of grade school social studies is ‘bauxite over here, corn over there, here’s the white house and the capitol, with American flag poles’

    Once the Mob’s interloping ceases to turn other countries into intolerable hell holes fences will need to be erected at the border with the arrows pointing the other way. Then the traveling shoe will be on the other foot.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @Alden
  79. SMK says: • Website
    @Corvinus

    Does “racism” and the legacy of slavery that was abolished in 1804 in a hideous orgy of mass-murder, and the ghosts of all the French men, women, children, toddlers, and infants who were slaughtered, tortured, raped, gang-raped, and mutilated well over 200 years ago by negro slaves, magically explain why the average IQ of Haitian is 67 and why Haiti is a hell-hole and the worst nation in the Western Hemisphere, Africa in the Caribbean?

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  80. Talha says:

    Hey fredyetagain,

    Talha, your comparison does not hold.

    Not completely – as you point out the locals have to take responsibility for their own dysfunctions and pathologies.

    I don’t know if you’ve come across the fairly short (sometimes comical) read “The CIA’s Greatest Hits”:

    https://www.amazon.com/CIAs-Greatest-Hits-Real-Story/dp/1593764391

    The author mentions:
    “Before that could begin, however, the Haitian military had to be further strengthened. CIA money began flowing to Haiti, which had already seen US aid double during the Reagan years. The CIA set up an anti-narcotics service called-appropriately-SIN (“national intelligence service”). As one CIA man admitted, SIN used its millions in CIA subsidies mainly to suppress popular movements by means of torture and assassination. Far from combating drugs, many SIN officers engage in the drug trade themselves.
    In 1990, elections were finally allowed. Haitians stunned the US by rejecting the candidate we preferred in favor of a left-wing Catholic priest, Jean Bertrand Aristide. The Bush administration could scarcely conceal its joy when Haiti’s US-trained military deposed Aristide eight months later.”

    But it is obvious the CIA was instrumental in keeping the Duvalier regime in place and the army and the dreaded “Tonton Macoutes” (who kept people in line with machetes) funded all in the name of fighting Communism:
    Promoting Polyarchy: Globalization, US Intervention, and Hegemony (Cambridge Univ)
    Our hands are not clean – we helped prop up a murderous, drug-dealing military regime – but is that really news to anyone given our conduct in South America?

    Can we at least say that Haiti was never simply left to its own devices?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Talha
  81. OBEE says:
    @Tom57

    One further thought, the McCourts moved back to Limerick from New York. Evidently they had first hand knowledge that the Limerick shithole was preferable to the New York one.

    Finally, within 25 years of the repeal of the Penal Laws Irish Catholics established University College Dublin and maintain an impressive collection of colleges throughout Ireland today. I have no idea how it can be asserted the Republic of Ireland is in any way comparable to Haiti or Somalia.

    • Agree: RadicalCenter
    • Replies: @Tom57
  82. Corvinus says:
    @Wally

    “How is Haiti “still paying the price”?”

    https://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/Haiti-The-Price-of-Liberation-20141231-0006.html

    “Did France give them IQs in the 60s?”

    IQ is genetic and environmental.

    “And why haven’t you volunteered to help them?”

    Been there, done that. How about yourself? Are you ready to give back to the world that you live in?

    • Replies: @Wally
  83. Corvinus says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    “Yeah, there was lots of barbarism, all over the world, and I’ve read that the French treatment of those slaves was nothing like the fairly good treatment blacks got in the South (US).”

    Fake News Story. The treatment of slaves in the South was generally poor, considering that their ancestors had been ripped from their homeland, put in chains, and forced to work at gunpoint to till the soil to make someone else rich.

    “Still, that was > 200 years ago! If people can’t get their shit(hole) together in 200 years, they are NEVER gonna.”

    You truly are ignorant.

    https://www.ukessays.com/essays/politics/the-unstable-country-of-haiti-politics-essay.php

    “You’ve got a lot of nerve coming on here with your shitholier-than-thou attitude and telling us the Hatians are still the Europeans’ problem.”

    The problems that Haiti endures today is the result of European colonization AND long-standing political and economic instability.

  84. @Anonymous

    Things will get real once the financial bubble of stupidity we are in pops. There are still lots of good decent Americans that may be able to set things on the right course then.

  85. Talha says:
    @Talha

    Oops, the link to the book didn’t go through:
    Promoting Polyarchy: Globalization, US Intervention, and Hegemony (Cambridge Univ)

    Read a couple pages from the sub-chapter “From Duvalier to Aristide: the aborted transition to polyarchy”

  86. Corvinus says:
    @SMK

    “Does “racism” and the legacy of slavery that was abolished in 1804 in a hideous orgy of mass-murder, and the ghosts of all the French men, women, children, toddlers, and infants who were slaughtered, tortured, raped, gang-raped, and mutilated well over 200 years ago by negro slaves…”

    The French brought it upon themselves. Did you expect the Haitians to ask nicely for their freedom?

    “magically explain why the average IQ of Haitian is 67 and why Haiti is a hell-hole and the worst nation in the Western Hemisphere, Africa in the Caribbean?”

    You, as well, are truly ignorant.

    https://www.ukessays.com/essays/politics/the-unstable-country-of-haiti-politics-essay.php

  87. Tom57 says:
    @OBEE

    Have you read the book by Frank McCourt? The utter poverty, the hunger? That they just moved back for a short time and then stayed in the States?
    How many people studied in Uni in Ireland in the Fifties? Which negligable percentage? And all who finished left.
    And mentality wise: I lived in Galway at the beginning of the eighties and there were 7 public clocks. I counted them. And none showed the right time. Ireland was still mentally recovering from the penal laws. I remember the jokes about the Irish being told in England. I remember how they were considered a criminal, stupid underclass that couldn´t control its impulses. They sold “Irish” cups in curio shops in England An Irish cup was a cup with the handle inside.
    Still I see the similarities. Very small landholders cutting down every tree there was. Co. Mayo is almost totally denuded. The feeling that the state is something alien. The inability to contain the anarchic tendencies of a freed peasantry. But on the upside the pride of a people that had finally freed themselves.

    • Replies: @OBEE
  88. @fnn

    There are many mysteries in life.

    Among them are why anybody talks to the like of Insane McCain or Little Linda Graham or why any country allows any Israeli, Zionist or known Jew to land on their territory.

    These would seem to be just common sense rules, no?

  89. The picture of the Haitian gathering is the physical manifestation of a spiritual enslavement to their sin natures enthralling them to voodoo, witchcraft and rank devil worship. Satan is the “god” of this world and since “sin is a reproach to any people”, these folks are mired down in all it’s negative fall out. If they would rebuke their false idols then God would be able to work with them. No amount of money or assistance will solve their internal defect.

    Closer to home, America has shoved Christ out of the picture to such an extent that I wouldn’t be surprised if similar descriptions Mr. Reed gave in this article don’t become commonplace in the Home of the Brave.

  90. MarkinLA says:
    @JessicaR

    A much larger number of Africans live in shacks in shanty-towns like you see in the outskirts of Johannesburg. I guess you could call them houses.

  91. renfro says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    History of Haiti

    Source: Library of Congress

    Before the arrival of Europeans, Arawak (also known as Taino) and Carib Indians inhabited the island of Hispaniola. Although researchers debate the total pre-Columbian population (estimates range from 60,000 to 600,000), the detrimental impact of colonization is well documented. Disease and brutal labor practices nearly annihilated the Indian population within 50 years of Columbus’s arrival.

    Spain ceded the western third of the island of Hispaniola to France in 1697. French authorities quelled the island’s buccaneer activity and focused on agricultural growth. Soon, French adventurers began to settle the colony, turning the French portion of the island, renamed Saint- Domingue, into a coffee- and sugar-producing juggernaut. By the 1780s, nearly 40 percent of all the sugar imported by Britain and France and 60 percent of the world’s coffee came from the small colony. For a brief time, Saint-Domingue annually produced more exportable wealth than all of continental North America.

    [MORE]

    As the indigenous population dwindled, African slave labor became vital to Saint-Domingue’s economic development. Slaves arrived by the tens of thousands as coffee and sugar production boomed. Under French colonial rule, nearly 800,000 slaves arrived from Africa, accounting for a third of the entire Atlantic slave trade. Many died from disease and the harsh conditions of the sugar and coffee plantations. Statistics show that there was a complete turnover in the slave population every 20 years. Despite these losses, by 1789 slaves outnumbered the free population four-to-one⎯452,000 slaves in a population of 520,000.

    During the latter eighteenth century, the fabric of Saint-Domingue’s hierarchical society began to unravel. Slaves abandoned the plantations in increasing numbers, establishing runaway slave (maroon) communities in remote areas of the colony. The more militant maroon communities posed a threat to the plantations, subjecting them to constant harassment and facilitating slave revolts and mass escapes. Meanwhile, free blacks and mulattoes sought full citizenship and property rights— including the right to own slaves—and arable land for farming. During the 1790s, the dissolution of the Bourbon dynasty by the French Revolution and France’s embrace of an egalitarian ethos emboldened Saint-Domingue’s free people of color to press for their rights. In 1790 the National Assembly in Paris granted suffrage to landed and tax-paying free blacks. When the white planter-dominated colonial assembly refused to comply, Saint-Domingue became engulfed in violence. The breakdown in civil order prompted numerous slave revolts as well as Spanish and British military intervention. The conflict revolved around a struggle for control of the colony between French republican forces and Creole royalists backed by Spain and Britain. Both sides recruited indigenous armies of black slaves, free blacks, and mulattoes.

    Emancipation and Independence In 1791 Toussaint Louverture emerged as a commander within the rebel army of black slaves led by Georges Biassou and Jean-François. Louverture, an educated former slave who had studied the military campaigns of Julius Caesar, provided the forceful leadership and organizational ability that had been lacking in previous uprisings. Louverture initially allied with Spain in its efforts to capture northern Saint-Domingue but switched his allegiance to France in 1794 when Paris declared the abolition of slavery. He eventually rose to become the commander in chief of all republican forces in Saint-Domingue. From this position, Louverture once again rebelled against the French and attempted to create an autonomous state free of European influence. After deposing the French commissioner, he captured the Spanish port of Santo Domingo in 1800, giving him control of the entire island of Hispaniola.

    In October 1801, a break in the Napoleonic Wars enabled France to dispatch a new expedition against Louverture. The rebel general was eventually compelled to surrender to the French after his two top commanders, Jean-Jacques Dessalines and Henry Christophe, switched their allegiance to the French. However, the truce between black Creole and French forces was short- lived. In the summer of 1802, Dessalines, Christophe, and the mulatto general Alexandre Pétion joined forces and launched a new campaign to expel the French. By late 1803, French losses from yellow fever, malaria, and combat exceeded 52,000. The resumption of war in Europe compelled France to withdraw in November 1803. After 300 years of colonial rule, the new nation of Haiti was declared an independent republic. It was only the second nation in the Americas to gain its independence and the first modern state governed by people of African descent.

    During the early years of independence, Haiti’s cohesion, autonomy, and finances remained precarious. The new “black republic” was diplomatically and economically isolated and faced a continuing threat of foreign intervention. France did not recognize Haitian independence and sought to establish a protectorate over its former colony. The plantation system—the engine of the Haitian economy—lay in ruins after years of warfare. Despite the egalitarianism of the new revolutionary regime, Haitian society remained hierarchical, with deep disparities in wealth between the mixed-race mulatto freedmen and newly emancipated blacks. Following the departure of most of the French Creoles, the mulatto minority took their place as the new elite within Haitian society. Rural laborers resisted efforts by mulatto landowners to rebuild sugar plantations, preferring instead to work the land independently.

    Upon independence in 1804, Louverture’s lieutenant, Dessalines, became Haiti’s first head of state. An autocrat who ruled mainly through force, Dessalines declared himself Emperor Jacques I. His despotic rule, which the mulatto elite resisted, ended with his assassination in October 1806.

    Partition Following the death of Dessalines, a bitter power struggle developed between two of the surviving leaders of the independence movement, Henry Christophe and Alexandre Pétion. A constitutional scheme whereby Christophe and Pétion would jointly govern the country quickly fell apart, leading to a territorial partition that lasted from 1811 to 1820.

    Reunification and Annexation of Santo Domingo In 1820, following the deaths of both Christophe and Pétion, forces from the southern half of Haiti led by General Jean-Pierre Boyer, a mulatto, invaded the north and reunited the country. During his two decades as president, Boyer vigorously defended Haitian sovereignty through a combination of military confrontation and negotiation with the European powers. In 1822 Boyer invaded Santo Domingo, expelling the Spanish and imposing a 22-year occupation of the neighboring nation. Toward the end of his tenure, Boyer negotiated a payment to France of 150 million francs (later reduced to 60 million francs) as indemnity for the loss of the colony. In exchange, France recognized the Republic of Haiti and restored trade relations. Although the indemnity helped secure Haiti’s political independence, it imposed a crushing economic burden that weighed heavily on future generations. Boyer held office until his overthrow in 1843 by a conspiracy of reformist mulattoes. In February 1844, a band of Dominican nationalists took the opportunity of Boyer’s ouster to attack the Haitian garrison in Santo Domingo and declare an independent Dominican Republic.

    Presidential Rule Throughout the nineteenth century, Haiti’s political institutions were subject to the whims of the Haitian head of state. Successive presidents drafted and abolished the nation’s constitutions at will, treating the documents as their own personal charters. The Haitian republic itself was suspended from 1849 to 1859 during the rule of “Emperor” Faustin I. Economic stagnation plagued the country, as governments repeatedly subdivided agricultural lands, causing yields to plummet. The indemnity to France also dragged down Haiti’s struggling economy. Political solutions rarely overcame the deep-seated hostility between blacks and mulattoes. Elite mulattoes, for the most part, either held the presidency or managed to install puppet black presidents who served their interests.

    Coups and assassinations became commonplace. One president died when the presidential palace was blown up, another was hacked to pieces by an angry mob, and a third was poisoned. In the midst of this political chaos, only three Haitian presidents enjoyed relatively stable and effective tenures. General Nicholas Geffrard (1859−67), during a generally peaceful and progressive administration, succeeded in gaining recognition for Haiti from the United States in 1862. Louis Lysius Félicité Salomon (1879−88) implemented populist reforms and established a national bank, telegraph system, and rural school system. Florvil Hyppolite (1889−96) created the Ministry of Public Works, which built much-needed bridges, docks, and public buildings throughout the country.

    U.S. Occupation, 1915−34 During most of the nineteenth century, the United States maintained a distant relationship with Haiti. The U.S. government withheld recognition of Haiti until 1862, when wartime necessity compelled it to establish cordial relations with the strategic Caribbean nation. During the early twentieth century, Haiti’s chronic political instability, its precarious finances, and the threat of European encroachment provoked numerous brief interventions by the U.S. Navy. In July 1915, civil unrest surrounding the assassination of President Vilbrun Guillaume Sam provided a pretext for intervention. U.S. Marines were dispatched to Haiti, ostensibly to protect U.S. financial interests and citizens. Rather than withdrawing after a show of “gunboat diplomacy,” as had previously been the case, the U.S. military came to stay in 1915. Marines seized control of the country, disbanding the Haitian military and installing Phillippe Sudre Dartiguenave, a mulatto, as president (1915−22). In 1916 the United States expanded its occupation to the entire island of Hispaniola when it intervened in the neighboring Dominican Republic. During its nearly two-decade occupation, the United States amended the Haitian constitution, stabilized the economy, and made improvements in infrastructure. U.S. Marines also trained a new Haitian National Guard (Garde d’Haïti), a security unit that harassed and even killed opponents of the occupation.

    New Independence In 1930 the United States allowed Haiti to resume free elections. The president-elect, Sténio Vincent (1930−41), was a former senator with populist tendencies, and his election set Haiti on the path to reestablishing its autonomy. Vincent engaged in an ambitious program of infrastructure improvement, while insisting that the U.S. Marines end their active occupation. As a show of nationalism, he delivered his state addresses in Creole, rather than in French. Like many of his predecessors, however, Vincent also resorted to using the presidency to increase his own wealth and power. In 1935 he pushed through the Haitian Congress a new constitution that allowed the president to disband the legislature and reorganize the judiciary. Ultimately, Vincent succeeded in reestablishing Haiti’s independence, but he also strengthened the country’s legacy of dictatorial leadership.

    After the ineffective administration of Élie Lescot (1941−45), which installed mulattoes in virtually every post of the government, black voters turned out en masse and elected a sympathetic National Assembly. Additionally, after years of mulatto rule, the 1946 presidential election, often referred to as the Revolution of 1946, was contested by three black candidates. Dumarsais Estimé (1946−50) won the election, garnering especially strong support from the emerging middle class of blacks in the northern region of the country. Colonel Paul Magloire followed Estimé in 1950 and held the presidency for six corrupt, if stable, years.

    The Duvalier Era François Duvalier (1957−71) won a suspiciously large victory in the presidential election of 1957. Duvalier came from a modest black family in Port-au-Prince. His platform consisted of pro-black nationalism, strong support from the military, and state acceptance of the voodoo religion. The army disqualified Duvalier’s most popular rival, Daniel Fignolé, and likely tampered with ballots. Amidst the controversy, Duvalier officially assumed the presidency in 1957, backed by a majority in both houses of the legislature. As a candidate for office, Duvalier had been known as “Papa Doc” because of his paternalistic concern for poor and sick Haitians. During his 14-year reign, however, Duvalier focused more on controlling his people than caring for them. His dictatorial methods were harsh even by Haiti’s standards. In 1961 he discarded the bicameral legislature in favor of a unicameral one and then secured for himself the title of president for life. In order to control the military, Duvalier frequently shuffled the leadership, bringing young black soldiers to command positions until they too became threatening to the administration. Duvalier also created the Presidential Guard and the Volunteers for National Security (Volontaires de la Sécurité Nationale⎯VSN), or makout as they were known, for the express purpose of averting attempted coups. The VSN functioned as a secret paramilitary group, using blackmail and terror to control Haiti’s citizenry. Largely through his brutal tactics, Duvalier held the presidency until his natural death in 1971. His son, Jean-Claude (1971−86), assumed leadership of Haiti at the age of 19. After initially deferring to his ambitious mother, Jean-Claude, referred to as “Baby Doc,” adopted many of his father’s leadership tactics. He lived lavishly, siphoning off funds from the governmentally controlled tobacco industry, while Haiti descended further into poverty. The administration relied heavily on intimidation to maintain power. A visit from Pope John Paul II on March 9, 1983, saw the pope echoing the people’s cries for improved access to food, water, education, and employment. It proved to be the beginning of the end for Jean-Claude. On February 7, 1986, Haitian citizens revolted against the corruption-rife administration. Threatened by rioting crowds and pressured by the United States, Duvalier gave up the presidency and went into exile in France.

    Jean-Bertrand Aristide and the Struggle for Democracy Duvalier had hastily named a National Council of Government (Conseil National de Gouvernement⎯CNG) to serve as an interim government. Although the CNG initially dismantled some vestiges of the Duvalier era, it too eventually slipped into the mode of repressive governance. Brigadier General Prosper Avril assumed the presidency in September 1988 and governed for two tumultuous years before a wave of assassinations and widespread public protests led to his resignation in March 1990. Following Avril’s departure, an independent Permanent Electoral Council announced a presidential election for December 16, 1990.

    Despite widespread violence, Haiti’s presidential election of December 1990 proved to be a landmark event. International observers declared the election to be free and fair. Outspoken anti- Duvalierist and former Roman Catholic priest Jean-Bertrand Aristide won a landslide victory with 67 percent of the vote. A fiery populist who elicited fanatical support from the poorest sectors of Haitian society, Aristide pledged to rid Haiti of the ethnic, racial, and economic hierarchy that had defined the country. He became a polarizing figure opposed by much of the country’s elite and the armed forces. During his first months in office, Aristide circumscribed the military’s power by establishing a separate presidential security force, closing military facilities, and reducing the armed forces budget. He also antagonized the economic elite by collecting back taxes and by appearing to endorse violence against his opponents. After only seven months in office, Aristide was ousted by a military coup on September 29, 1991. A junta led by Brigadier General Raoul Cédras seized control of the government. The military government engaged in systematic repression of dissidents and Aristide supporters, including numerous extrajudicial killings. In the midst of severe repression and a worsening of already dire economic conditions, tens of thousands of Haitians attempted to flee to Florida by boat. The U.S. Coast Guard rescued more than 40,000 Haitians at sea during 1991 and 1992. Thousands more may have perished at sea. The United States condemned the coup and pledged to see Aristide restored to office. Additionally, the United Nations (UN) Security Council refused to recognize Haiti’s new leaders and imposed multilateral economic sanctions.

    In mid-1994, after two and a half years of economic sanctions, the UN Security Council approved the deployment of a multinational force to restore civilian authority in Haiti. With a United States-led military invasion looming, the junta agreed to step down in return for amnesty for themselves and the rest of the army. On September 9, 1994, U.S. troops entered Haiti unopposed, restoring Aristide to office. Aristide’s principal achievement during the remainder of his term was the abolition of the Haitian army and its replacement by the United States-trained Haitian National Police.

    Political Chaos In 1995 Aristide completed his term, and Haiti had its first transition between two democratically elected presidents. Constitutionally barred from a consecutive term, Aristide picked his political ally and former prime minister, René Préval, as his successor. Préval’s tenure was characterized by partisan rancor and executive-legislative deadlock. Elections in 1997 for one-third of the Senate and communal assemblies were plagued with allegations of fraud and were not certified by international observers. During a prolonged constitutional crisis, the Préval government was unable to organize a second round of local and parliamentary elections due in late 1998. In January 1999, Préval dismissed legislators whose terms had expired—the entire Chamber of Deputies and all but nine members of the Senate—and governed by presidential decree. When legislative, local, and municipal elections were finally held in May 2000, Aristide and Préval reportedly pressed the Provisional Electoral Council to exclude nearly a quarter of the votes cast, using a formula that violated two articles of Haiti’s constitution. In the summer of 2000, in response to credible evidence of government corruption, election fraud, and widespread human rights violations, Haiti’s foreign donors suspended all development assistance. The presidential election held in November 2000 was boycotted by the opposition and the Organization of American States (OAS) observer mission, which considered the results to be heavily tainted by fraud. So low was confidence in Haiti’s government that only 5 to 15 percent of the electorate is believed to have voted. The disputed election returned Aristide to office by a wide margin.

    Aristide’s second tenure as president (2001–4) saw an intensification of political violence, an economic recession, and a breakdown of government institutions and the rule of law. Haiti’s economy experienced a sharp recession following the cutoff of foreign aid. Beginning in 2001, real gross domestic product (GDP) growth turned negative—a trend that would continue for the next three years. Political violence intensified as pro- and anti-Aristide militants battled in the streets. In December 2001, 30 armed men attempted to seize the National Palace in an apparent coup attempt. The government blamed former army officers for the failed raid. In retaliation, throughout 2002 and 2003 the government orchestrated attacks on opposition demonstrations by police and government-supported gangs known as chimères. In turn, the opposition Democratic Convergence alliance called for Aristide’s removal and announced plans for a transitional government. In March 2003, a high-level joint delegation of the OAS and Caribbean Community and Common Market (Caricom) presented specific demands to President Aristide to restore public security and create the confidence necessary to move toward elections. However, little in the way of progress was achieved. In January 2004, during celebrations of the Haitian bicentennial, crowds frustrated by the government’s ineffectiveness rioted in the city of Cap Haïtien. The rioting quickly spread across the country, escalating into a full-scale rebellion when former members of the armed forces, the police, and gang members joined the fray. By late February 2004, armed rebels demanding Aristide’s ouster controlled many of the country’s towns and were closing in on the capital of Port au Prince. Unable to quell the rebellion, and facing an imminent threat to his safety, Aristide resigned the presidency in late February and was airlifted out of the country by U.S. armed forces. Boniface Alexandre, president of Haiti’s Supreme Court, assumed the presidency in accordance with the constitution.

    Responding to an emerging humanitarian crisis, a United States-led Multilateral Interim Force made up of troops from the United States, Canada, France, and Chile, was dispatched to secure Haiti’s ports and restore the flow of food and medical supplies into the country. In April 2004, the UN Security Council adopted Resolution 1542, creating the UN Stability Mission in Haiti (MINUSTAH). The Stability Mission was authorized at 6,700 troops and 1,622 civilian police. Brazil contributed the largest contingent of troops to MINUSTAH.

    During 2004 and 2005, MINUSTAH and the interim Haitian government struggled to restore law and order and lay the groundwork for national elections. After several postponements, the first round of elections for president and the National Assembly took place on February 7, 2006. Turnout was estimated at approximately 60 percent of registered voters. Former President Préval won the presidential contest with 51.15 percent of the vote. The election was marred by controversy when the Electoral Council posted partial results indicating that Préval had not won a majority of the votes cast. However, following demonstrations in Haiti and expressions of concern by the international community, the Electoral Council reversed its decision to count large numbers of blank ballots and declared Préval the first-round winner.

    In the spring of 2006, Haiti’s future under a second Préval administration remained uncertain. The new administration faced numerous challenges, including the need to rein in endemic criminality and gang violence, restore public services, and foster economic growth and poverty reduction. Whether Haiti’s current generation of political leaders would be able to negotiate in good faith and reach political solutions to national problems remained to be seen.

  92. MarkinLA says:
    @TonyVodvarka

    regarding it only as a place of pillage.

    Exactly what was there to pillage from Haiti? Should we have invaded based on our pathological fear of communism – NO we should have left the place alone, even when a natural disaster struck and let them sort it out themselves. Do you really think left to their own devices Haiti would be anything other than a shithole?

  93. MarkinLA says:
    @Twodees Partain

    I wish Trump had told the pearl-clutchers – Yes I said shithole. What about Haiti isn’t a shithole?

    Trump needs to completely destroy the Overton Window.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  94. MarkinLA says:
    @Talha

    Send every Somalian back to Somalia – win, win.

    • Replies: @Talha
  95. MarkinLA says:
    @Jackalizer

    Yes, if like in that article, they see “racism” everywhere. I wonder what “ism” they will start seeing once they get to Africa?

    • Replies: @Jackalizer
  96. OBEE says:
    @Tom57

    Not only did I read McCourt’s book I knew him personally. He portrays his father as an absolute drunken bum who left the family in poverty. Not entirely accurate the man drank but worked in a munitions factory in England who however sporadically did support the family. If you believe the sequence lifted from Joyce explains his emigration that explains why you would accept him as a reliable guide.

    Odd isn’t it that a people ridiculed as too stupid to handle a teacup could in a generation create a modern nation fully integrated into the EU.

    Trees. You do know there was a famine in which a quarter of a million more people died than were KIA on both sides combined in our Civil War. So the idea that every inch of usable land would be put to use should not surprise you. And, by the by, how much of Irish trees were not used to build the Royal Navy?

    • Replies: @Alden
    , @Tom57
  97. @Achmed E. Newman

    Amen Brother Achmed– One need only compare the photos of the White South African squatter camps on the edges of the garbage dump to what you see all over Haiti.

  98. Talha says:
    @MarkinLA

    Sure – contact your Congressman or Senator to get this started – and also ask them not to follow it up with another “Black Hawk Down” invasion. Let people be and trade with them in mutually beneficial commerce – they don’t send their young men here and we don’t send our (heavily-armed) young men there. Win, win – 100%

    Peace.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  99. “It is not clear why Norwegians would leave their ordered and civilized country for the social chaos, racial violence, and degraded culture of America … ”

    I would advise all foreign White people to steer clear of the U.S. In another generation or two, thanks to the POC psychological warfare specialists in culture and academia, and White masochists in government and business, this country will be a Black and Brown ghetto built on top of the bones of what was a Western nation.

    The African Hitler will be an American. He’ll be wearing John Boyega’s devil mask.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  100. MarkinLA says:
    @Talha

    Remember, we went there because US blacks were whining that the US did nothing in Rwanda and there was another humanitarian crisis in Africa that we needed to “help”. I sure as hell didn’t want us getting involved.

    This is a big problem with large groups of people in the US who identify more with their race or ethnicity than the country.

  101. pyrrhus says:
    @willem1

    In some sections of the great and famous city of Singapore, people are still sh*ting in the streets. ‘Nuff said…..

  102. Talha says:
    @MarkinLA

    Bro, we stormed those beaches in 1992 cameras were rolling:

    The Rwandan genocide happened in 1994.

    What you are saying does not compute. Look, even without US Blacks involved in the decision; can we admit the US has been doing imperial nonsense around the world? I mean, Blacks were nowhere near decision-making places and we were helping oust governments we didn’t like.

    I like the US and my fellow citizens, but Uncle Sam has an imperial crack-habit that predates Civil Rights.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
    , @utu
  103. republic says:
    @Corvinus

    Reed is married to a Jewish Mexican woman, which would seem to explain his pro illegal Mexican immigration to the US stance. His article of September 2016 regarding 9-11 shows where his true allegiance lies

    • Replies: @Linda Green
  104. @miss marple

    can dance without biting their bottom lip

    They don’t bite their own lips.

    Meeting the Cannibal Tribes of Indonesian New Guinea

  105. MarkinLA says:
    @Talha

    I have been against all of our interventions with the sole exception of being duped in the first Iraq war. I only gave it tepid support because I thought that Hussein might invade Saudi Arabia and trigger an Israeli response ending in a big cluster-F in the ME. Yes, I agree that we are sticking our noses into places we don’t belong.

    However, our imperial overreach is not entirely disconnected from our domestic policies. We went into Kosovo partly based on all the “genocide” garbage put out by the Jewish influenced media. I may have the timeline wrong but I do remember all the crap in the media about how “nobody cares because it is blacks being killed” that was pushing the Bush administration to “do something” that got us into Somalia.

  106. man you are suffering from white man’s burden fatigue. I say, get off the golf course, roll up your sleeves and get down to the business of helping your fellow man. you will go to your grave knowing that you made a positive difference. remember that yesterday’s savage (you) is today’s civilised and today’s savage might become tomorrow’s who knows what? the only certainty in life is that nothing is certain.

  107. @republic

    Prove it. You lyin’ rascal!

    • Replies: @r
  108. @MarkinLA

    Perhaps you should ask your African-American friends, acquaintances, neighbors & colleagues about their experiences with racism.

  109. @Johan Meyer

    A simple arithmetic mistake—I had used a population of 1 million instead of ~10; real number was 7 million at the time, for additional murder rate of 71 per 100k per annum, for a standard deviation of 1 per 100k per annum, or three standard deviations of murder rate perpetrated by authorities added to the total population murder rate.

  110. @renfro

    I see there there are still morons who believe the crap on Wiki.

  111. @SunBakedSuburb

    I moved from London to New York, The other choice was Zurich. The guys in Singapore were becoming interested.

    I fucked up.

  112. @MarkinLA

    If I understand you correctly, assisting a foreign government, namely (b)Uganda, in invading Rwanda, training the soon to be genocidal sponsored government leader at Fort Leavenworth, where you train your generals, arming the (b)Ugandan army with continual supply flights, moving your diplomatic mission to the (b)Ugandan controlled (Mulindi iirc) territory, abetting the ethnic cleansing of 800,000 Hutus from Byumba prefecture, setting up a fake negotiation process which required the Rwandan government to effectively disarm while you continued to arm the (b)Ugandan army, as well as forcing the Rwandan government to accept a heavily armed (b)Ugandan (“RPA”) contingent not only in the capital, but specifically in governmental buildings, and so forth, do not constitute intervention.

    I take it that you do not regard the 600 US special forces, who invaded Rwanda, and who tried to prevent the fleeing of Rwandan Hutus to neighbouring countries to escape Kagame’s genocide, an intervention either.

    FWIW, the non-intervention fantasy is a zombie. It has been hacked apart in terms of evidence by Chris Black and Robin Philpot, amongst others.

    But you need not worry about Hutus coming in any real numbers to the west. The few that do are generally subject to prosecutions so spurious as to make the ICTR look legitimate by comparison, yet resulting in convictions. With the active assistance and endorsement of the PC police.

    Dallaire and company had to confess on the stand (Military II) that the interahamwe was only in the capital. The massacres against Tutsis were mainly outside the capital, and thus were not perpetrated by the Tutsi lead (Robert Kajuga) interahamwe (“age-mates”).

    The UN peacekeepers even supplied the real interahamwe with bullet-proof vests.

    The Rwandan army tried repeatedly, despite its meager resources, to stop revenge killings of Tutsis. The Rwandan chief of staff even offered himself as a hostage to the (b)Ugandans in exchange for a ceasefire, so that the army would be able to stop the revenge killings. The US sponsored (b)Ugandans declined.

    Dallaire never tried to warn of any impending genocide.

    Much of this information became available in the course of the Military II trial, and is factually uncontroversial. The HRW story is factually controversial.

  113. @prusmc

    Maybe Miss Lindsey is about ready to back away from his little hissy fit he threw after the meeting. He could come out tomorrow and call Durbin a liar and I would still despise his ass, though.

  114. @Achmed E. Newman

    Wait a minute, here. What does corn have to do with holes, anyway? Nevermind. I get it now.

  115. @MarkinLA

    Bush the First was on a high aftet the Gulf War and figured Somalia would be a piece of cake. Clinton was left to deal with it afterwards and did not have much luck.

  116. @MarkinLA

    “Remember, we went there because US blacks were whining that the US did nothing in Rwanda”

    Not exactly. Most black Americans didn’t know then and don’t know now what was/is happening in Somalia, and probably few gave/give a shit. BTW, black Americans despise African immigrants and the feeling is mutual.

    American combat troops were sent there so that GHW Bush could posture, preen, and jack off in secret over the military action. If GHW ever cared what black people whined about, he has never given any indication of it. The combat troops were sent after military logistical personnel and equipment had been assigned to transport food and medicines to Somalia as part of a UN initiative.

    There is plenty of documentation about the original mission, and the resulting mission creep. US presidents seem to love having the UN use the US military as a humanitarian aid organization, probably because it can easily lead to a president using the US military for its actual designed purpose, that of a war making force.

  117. Wally says:
    @Corvinus

    The question was:
    “How is Haiti “STILL paying the price”?”

    And I can give you a link to a brief history of US independence.
    Yet we have done rather nicely since.
    Haiti? They never will because they have negro Haitians.
    They were better off under the French, obviously so.
    Of course the only reason that negros got to Haiti was because back Africans sold them.
    “African chiefs urged to apologise for slave trade
    Nigerian civil rights group says tribal leaders’ ancestors sold people to slavers and should say sorry”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/nov/18/africans-apologise-slave-trade

    IOW, they’re stupid because of their genes and their environment. You proved my point.

    You lie. You have never volunteered to help shithole Haiti.

    I never took anything, no need to give back.

    Cheers

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  118. 7.62mm says:

    Let’s face it the biggest shit holes are New York, Hollywood / Silicone Valley and DC. We know who runs them.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @Che Guava
  119. Cheguw says:

    White majority in USA will, in a couple of decades become a thing of the past. Your time is now, I suggest you make the best of it because when you lose power, all white supremacists (like mr Reed) will taste the vengeance which has been long coming.

    • Troll: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Toby Keith
  120. If today’s social engineers would figure out why Black Africa remains the hell-hole it’s been for the past 5,0000+ years, fixing Haiti would be child’s play.

    • Replies: @Wyatt Pendleton
  121. @Escher

    I would guess it’s far worse.

  122. I remember back in the 80s reading a story about anti-government protests in Papua New Guinea. The picture showed a bunch of guys wearing various tribal gear, standing at the back of their pickup and pointing to a large hole in the road. Their complaint was that the government meddles in tribal affairs and doesn’t fix the potholes. They reminded me of my fellow citizens.

  123. @pyrrhus

    As they are in Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, and San Francisco.

  124. @Ali Choudhury

    After examining immigration standards required for becoming a citizen of Norway, few white Americans would qualify, and probably no blacks.

  125. @Corvinus

    …depicting a tribal group performing a religious ceremony and an attractive blonde will naturally say “Yes, I want the young lady in my country”.

    Do you honestly believe that the average American black, upon comparing the two pictures, would not choose the young lady over the head-hunters? Blacks are often accused of being dumb, but few would be dumb enough to choose the head-hunters. – least I hope so

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  126. @Tom57

    There’s truth in what you say. Conversing and dealing with the average black from Jamaica is enough to make you wonder if they are not from an entirely different specie than American blacks. You have to experience it to believe.

  127. @miss marple

    Too funny. The most hilarious post I’ve ever read.

  128. @Biff

    Interestingly enough what might be decedents of the original natives of the island of Hispaniola can be found in Santo Domingo which shares the other half of the same island and when compared to Haiti is a virtual Garden of Eden. Same island, same climate, same everything except Haiti is inhabited by blacks while Santo Domingo is inhabited by people of Hispanic origin. What gives?

    • Replies: @Rurik
  129. renfro says:
    @Bill Jones

    I see there there are still morons who believe the crap on Wiki

    .

    Are you referring to me or to the actual morons who do use Wiki ?

    This history of Haiti is from the US Library of Congress.

    You’ve heard of it perhaps or at least heard of libraries.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  130. MBlanc46 says:

    When he’s not banging on about his beloved Mexicans, Mr Reed is admirably clear-sighted.

  131. @JessicaR

    True up to a point, but if the White race were to disappear from the scene, Africa would, in less than 20 years, revert back to a land populated by naked black head-hunters dwelling in mud huts.

  132. @Anonymous

    Probably not. Most American soldiers who ended up in Europe during WW 1 & 2, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq have no idea why they were ever there. I’ll never forget the puzzled look that came over the face of a retired Army friend of mine upon being asked why he was in Vietnam 20 years earlier. Followed by the rather embarrassing admission that he’d really never thought much about it, but assumed he was there to “give them people some freedom, or something.” Pitiful to say the least, but not at all unusual.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
  133. @Johan Meyer

    Sounds like Haiti would be the perfect problem for Hillary to figure out and fix.

    • Replies: @Johan Meyer
  134. utu says:
    @Talha

    I remember watching it. It was so funny. The combat ready troops were approaching the coast to establish the beach head and there cameras from all networks were already waiting for them as a welcoming committee.

    • Replies: @Talha
  135. @MarkinLA

    Yes, assuming he really did say it (and even if he didn’t) why don’t they ever learn that the best defense is always a strong offense. Attempting to disprove negatives is always a loosing strategy that ends with loses increasing with every denial.

  136. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Ali Choudhury

    The majority of Indians H1B are scam artists with fake degrees. Also a lot of them work as IT project managers and testers. These are not professions that require exceptional skills.

    Indians in America on average are not exceptional.

  137. @Bill Jones

    Wiki is no different from other sources of information in that you have to be knowledgeable enough about a wide range of subjects to separate wheat from the chaff. After reaching that point, bullshit becomes as obvious as a turd floating in a punchbowl.

  138. Talha says:
    @utu

    Yeah, I was just a teenager and I remember watching it – even at that age it looked so contrived and silly with the reporters at the beach. They tried to make it look like D-Day or something. Fail.

    Peace.

  139. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    You are thinking not of Iowa but about a 75 square mile of Nebraska centered around Omaha, SAC headquarters,
    Offut and other Air Force bases.

    Right across the river from Western Iowa but a different state.

  140. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    We won’t even have jobs in Amazon warehouses. The warehouse jobs are reserved for Hispanic immigrants.

  141. Alden says:
    @Anonymous

    What are you talking about?

  142. Alden says:
    @OBEE

    Ireland was covered with forests until the expansion of the English navy and merchant marine in the time of Elizabeth 1 Not wanting to cut down their own forests the English denuded Ireland of trees for centuries until there were no forests left.

    The Irish were not just forbidden to hunt, but also to fish. The lakes and rivers were guarded by armed troops.

  143. Tom57 says:
    @OBEE

    Very interesting. Which part of Frank McCourts book is lifted from Joyce?
    Regarding Ireland I do believe that there is a lot that resonates with the experience of colonized people of colour. At least that is my view from having lived there at the beginning of the Eighties. Namely: as the normal way of asserting masculinity by advancing in society was barred for so long ambitions of the ones that staid were directed towards “instant masculinity” (ie.assertion of physical prowess) the arts and the priesthood. Never met a more musical people nor a people were tall tales were in higher regard.
    The Irish (at least the ones that staid) contributed an absolutely disproportionate amount to world literature. I would also argue that American blacks contributed disproportionally to American culture. Whatever the world regards as “American” music is based on the music of former slaves. I would even argue that the literature of American blacks is much more interesting than the bland middle class bullshit being taught in creative writing classes. Not for me John Updike, Philip Roth and Harold Brodkey. I think Baldwin, Wright and Chester Himes are much more powerful authours. By the way also Faulkner who is part of a very different tradition.
    Finally and totally off topic I think that the honest racism of the South is much preferable to the liberal hypocracy of the East coast. If there ever will be a healing of the racial divide it will start in the South.

    • Replies: @OBEE
  144. @Carroll Price

    Black Africa is a hell hole because of all the rank devil worship. Rather simple, their god is a foul selfish murdering monster, so will his followers emulate. If they turned to Christ and followed Him then God would remove the curse of Canaan from them.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
    , @Truth
  145. Corvinus says:
    @Carroll Price

    “Do you honestly believe that the average American black, upon comparing the two pictures, would not choose the young lady over the head-hunters?”

    First, it’s a completely biased comparison meant to lead the viewing audience to a desired conclusion.

    Second, the group depicted are not “head-hunters”, but an African tribal group.

    “Africa would, in less than 20 years, revert back to a land populated by naked black head-hunters dwelling in mud huts.”

    Exactly why you give we members of the white race a bad name with your complete ignorance. Take a rudimentary history course on African culture and get back to us.

    • Replies: @Bill Jones
  146. Corvinus says:
    @Wyatt Pendleton

    “Black Africa is a hell hole because of all the rank devil worship.”

    That would be Fake News on your part. About 45% of the African population is Christian.

    “Rather simple, their god is a foul selfish murdering monster, so will his followers emulate. If they turned to Christ and followed Him then God would remove the curse of Canaan from them.”

    So what specifically has led you to believe that God has cursed Africa? Certain Bible passages? Sermons from your local preacher? Do tell…

  147. Che Guava says:
    @Wally

    Nice one, Wally. I was having the same thought.

  148. Che Guava says:
    @7.62mm

    Silicone Valley? Is that a suburb of LA overlapping Hollywood?

  149. Che Guava says:
    @renfro

    Well, it was clearly a copy-and-paste. I was able to see that it was not from Wiki, but since you were not citing your source, Bill is entirely forgivable for his error.

    If citing long quotes from an external source, YOU MIGHT THINK OF STATiNG THE SOURCE or just include a link.

    Idiot.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    , @renfro
  150. Rurik says:
    @Carroll Price

    decedents of the original natives of the island of Hispaniola can be found in Santo Domingo which shares the other half of the same island

    Hi Carroll,

    Not to split hairs but Santo Domingo is the capital city of Dominican Republic, which is the name of the country sharing the island of Hispaniola with Haiti.

    inhabited by people of Hispanic origin.

    the current inhabitants are basically a mix between European whites with African blacks and others. There are blacks and whites there too, with a mix of just about everything else you can imagine. When the Spanish arrived in the 15th century, there were basically ‘Amerindians’ there, (that had been busy slaughtering each other, just as they were doing everywhere else on the continents). Now they’re gone and they’ve been replaced with all kinds.

    Hispaniola has a fascinating history going back to the real pirates of the Caribbean.

    It is a beautiful country, but it also does have issues with crushing poverty, small time crime and universal corruption. I’ve been there several times, and I love the place for it’s natural beauty and charms, but it’s going down hill I have to say. The latest in this formerly free and easy nation was being charged for a seatbelt! violation. And then having the car impounded until a corrupt official would come and get his bribe. Lots of shit like that.

    But yes, the country is beautiful, the coasts are magnificent, and the people are charming and eager to make friends. It can be very nice in some parts where it’s still quite rustic, but you have to get used to the local ways. (loud little motorcycles everywhere)

    Haiti on the other hand was a French slave colony. It used to be called the Jewel of the Caribbean for it’s spectacular natural beauty. Then the black slaves instituted a revolt and slaughtered (or worse) all the whites / French. Since then it has descended into a dystopian hell on earth. Today its a wreck, but I hear there are some forward steps, and that Port Au Prince has OK areas, but I’ve never been to that side of the island. Never had a desire to go.

    They have a strong border between the nations and I’ve heard they’ll shoot the Haitians if they catch them coming across. The differences between the natural beauty of the two nations is stark, as the Haitians have overpopulated their side into a mud pit, while the Dominicans still have tones of lush vegetation and beauty.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  151. @Rurik

    Thanks for correcting parts of my comment and for the additional information.

  152. OBEE says:
    @Tom57

    The aborted blessing of the corpse via the English Music Hall.

    I get it you don’t like Ireland. Neither did my grandfather. What he knew of it he learned from his old man who lived through the famine.

    Re Irish poverty: In my neck of the woods until the beginning of the last century the Irish were housed in shanties owned by Trinity Church with begrudgingly a cold water tap and a terlit in the yard. A longshoreman’s pay was a dollar and a half for a ten hour shift, he had to work as long as he could (for 10 cents an hour more) until the ship went out. And that only on days there was a ship and the dock boss picked him from the shape. A recent commentator called it the nearest thing to slavery without actual slaves. Point being of course that there was as much abject poverty in the Lower Village as in Galway along with probably more exploitation and criminality. Clericalism was the least of my people’s worries. Not for nothing was a recent exhibition called “How the Sisters (of Charity) Tamed the Gangs of New York.”

    Finally, Haiti. I once heard a missionary priest – a Newfie so no stranger to poverty – describe Haiti as a place where a man would never have a dime to buy his child a coke. Never.

    No arguement with the black creation of American music. Tony Pastor and Ned Harrigan would agree. But there is a sliver of Appalachian music that is the exception that proves the rule.

  153. r says:
    @Linda Green

    https://fredoneverything.org/p26/

    In 2005 Reed published a biography in which he stated that his wife, was a converso, or a converted jew.

    I read that on that page earlier this month. Today that has been edited out.

  154. Truth says:
    @Wyatt Pendleton

    I wouldn’t say that you are right, but you are…well… on the right track.

  155. @OBEE

    Except for Jazz that’s obviously of African origin, Folk, Rock, and Country Music have little if any connection to the jungle. While Country, Bluegrass and Folk all trace their origins to Scotland and Ireland. Sure, a few Rock stars with no talent do a decent job of mimicking African witch doctors dancing around fires, but that’s as close as Rock comes to any connection with the Dark Continent. As to Jazz, it sounds like nothing more than a roomful of kids beating on empty pots and pans – at random.

    • Replies: @Truth
  156. @renfro

    hot damn, so not just the 70s trade policy/meddling but this has been going on for more than 2 centuries, getting closer to 3 now.

    • Replies: @Dave Bowman
  157. @Bill Jones

    History of Haiti

    Source: Library of Congress

    I mean, I don’t think renfro can make it any better when this is the start/header of his comment.

    and wiki have sources, you can check them out. ones without sources you can question but still not wholly dismiss. if you do, that says alot about you, not the wiki.

  158. @Che Guava

    YOU MIGHT THINK OF STATiNG THE SOURCE

    the very start of his comment.

    History of Haiti

    Source: Library of Congress

    so, who is the idiot? :)))

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  159. @Corvinus

    “Take a rudimentary history course on African culture ”

    Just as soon as they get some.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  160. @OBEE

    The English were among the first to abolish slavery because there was no economic benefit to being responsible for feeding and housing slaves when there was a plentitude of starving Irish.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  161. renfro says:
    @Che Guava

    Cant you little ignorant punks who do nothing here but babble trash look up anything for yourselves?

    Here you go stupid.

    https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/cs/profiles/Haiti.pdf

  162. Tom57 says:
    @OBEE

    Thanks a lot for that interesting conversation. I agree with your comment about the music from Appalachia. About Joyce: I see the light. About Ireland: actually love(d) the place. Especially the tall tales and the fact that you could never quite trust anything anybody ever said. People who see no way to better themselves in the here and now take a flight to fancy. The most Irish book: “At swim two birds”And I love poetry and the greatest poet of all time is Yeats.

    • Replies: @OBEE
  163. @Carroll Price

    I believe every GI knew why he was in a certain country like Germany, Korea, Vietnam,etc., it was because he was ordered to go. After he arrived however, he was very likely to question the need to be there, especially during all the stupid wars following WWII. Our initial purpose in Vietnam was honorable enough, to save the South Vietnamese from being conquered by the communists. But as history shows things got so incredibly screwed up by our illustrious leaders at the time the tragic result was thousands, perhaps millions of needless deaths on both sides. There was an exodus from South Vietnam by all the people who could do so, and demoralized military veterans on our side who still after all these years have the bitter taste of defeat in their mouths.

  164. @pyrrhus

    In some sections of the great and famous city of Singapore, people are still sh*ting in the streets. ‘Nuff said…..

    This is a ludicrous assertion to anyone who actually knows Singapore.

  165. @Carroll Price

    I thank you for your confession that your support for HRC is so fanatical that you cannot even acknowledge that the continuing US / Canadian / French occupation since 29 February 2004 includes several years with HRC as secretary of state, and hence a leading war criminal.

  166. OBEE says:
    @Tom57

    Tom, agree Yeats. Try the Thomas Flanagan trilogy The Year of the French, the Tenants of Time and one other. The best book about the Famine is well Famine by O’Flaherty.

    Don’t get me wrong Frank McCourt was a good guy so continue to enjoy his book!

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  167. Easy test! I’ve just returned from Norway and saw the blackamoors dance around the fire. The pretty blond lady I also saw but she was in Hungary.

  168. KenH says:

    Fortunately for Trump he didn’t criticize Mexico or Mexicans so Fred wasn’t triggered by Trump’s alleged “shithole” remark and we weren’t treated to the usual pro-mestizo screed coupled with heart rending stories of “Rosa” and pictures of pretty mestiza females to shame and guilt trip white people who don’t want their nation to become Mexio.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  169. Che Guava says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    You. Those lines were not there at the time.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
    , @renfro
  170. @Truth

    ..and Black History tells you that a Black man invented the cotton gin. And that before White man destroyed it, Africa was filled with gleaming cities that put any in the West to shame. And of course there’s plenty of ignorant uneducated people to believe it. Prior to contact with the white man the nearest thing Africans had to a musical instrument were hollow logs on which to beat, and gourds with two strings strung across them.

  171. Corvinus says:
    @Bill Jones

    “Just as soon as they get some.”

    Of course Africa had culture and civilizations. Do you want to know more, citizen, or do you enjoy being ignorant?

    • LOL: Che Guava
  172. @KenH

    If Fred had an inferiority complex resulting from Leftist propaganda he would have taken the remark as referring to Mexico.

  173. @Che Guava

    see, the thing is, this is the UNZ. you cannot edit any comment past the first 5 mins. those lines were there. the only excuse I can accept is that you misread, maybe.

    • Replies: @renfro
  174. renfro says:
    @Astuteobservor II

    Thanks for the effort to correct this guy.

    I answered him in no 161 and even gave him the link to the Library of Congress source

    https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/cs/profiles/Haiti.pdf

    Which he didn’t acknowledge of course….lol

    He’s just ignored it and doubled down on his stupidity.

  175. renfro says:
    @Che Guava

    Hey stupid….I answered you in no 161 …. there is no cure for you so move on punk…..even a monkey can learn from repetition… unlike you obviously.

    January 19, 2018 at 9:00 pm GMT

    Cant you little ignorant punks who do nothing here but babble trash look up anything for yourselves?

    Here you go stupid…

    https://www.loc.gov/rr/frd/cs/profiles/Haiti.pdf

  176. Well Mr. Reed has some points but it is very complex. Many years ago I lived a few weeks with the Masaii in Tanzania. He is absolutely right , they kind of stick out on Manhatten, red scarves, elongated necks, teacup big holes in the ears, they were a welcoming and courteous people, ignorant, not uncivilized, but ignorant on many things, but definitely with structure and values to their society. It was an education beyond.
    I am terribly upset when here in Sweden I see people degrade themselves by just littering or not being civil to others.Simple values like those are in fact what defines society.

  177. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    The real problem is women in places like Norway have Jungle Fever and want to have sex with black men from sh**holes nations.

    It’s the European women who welcome African invaders in EU.

    Also, cucky white men worship blacks as studs and athletes and their ‘may the best man win’ means that inferior white men should relinquish their women to black men who are superior because they can beat up white guys.

    • Replies: @Anon
    , @Corvinus
  178. Dan Hayes says:
    @OBEE

    OBEE:

    As you earlier stated, Frank McCourt’s Angela’s Ashes is in many ways a work of fiction.

    I disagree with your assertion that Frank was “a good guy” although I respect it since you personally knew him.

    Getting back to the Ashes. There have been several articles chronicling deficiencies in its narrative. Off-hand here’s one of them. McCourt claimed abject poverty for himself in Limerick. Whereas there are photographs of a very well-nourished McCourt decked out in the blazer of a posh Limerick school.

    In self-hatred, some Irishmen put Jews to shame. Frank McCourt is one of them. And he made a bundle flagellating his native countrymen and birthplace.

    As an example of Frank on steroids, I give you his brother Malachy. When last heard of Malachy was bloviating on WBAI, New York’s premier left-wing radio station.

  179. OBEE says:

    Mr. Hayes,

    Art is a lie that tells the truth. The question is whether the lies of Angela’s Ashes tell a larger truth. Myself, I could never get over the first and largest lie that every Irish Catholic childhood is miserable. That lie is so demonstrably untrue that it could not have been written in the service of truth. On the other hand the resilience and humor of the children goes very far in redeeming the book.

    Did Frank make money from the book? Yes. Did he betray the Irish to do so? No more than Joyce.

    Malachy is not to my taste either. But for every Malachy there was an Alfie and a Michael.

    Finally, after I mentioned some books to Tom I tried to think of one that far surpassed Angela in probing some darker aspects. I recommend Brian Moore’s The Lonely Passion of Julia Hearn in this regard. Thank you for your comment.

    • Replies: @Dan Hayes
  180. Dan Hayes says:
    @OBEE

    OBEE,

    Thank you for your measured response which is characteristic of the UR website.

    And I will read Brian Moore’s book.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  181. @renfro

    their problem is the same as many countries—-they cant rid themselves of dictators who steal the money and suck the country dry.

    But… ummm… White countries HAVE, you see.

    So why hasn’t Haiti – or dozens of other (Black) holes ?

    Ahhh… Yes… Of course. Whites know how to build a civilisation. Blacks don’t.

    So let’s try that again: It’s all about RACE, stupid..!

  182. @Astuteobservor II

    The thing about Time is, it kind of… goes a long way back.

    Or have you actually been believing the politically-correct, SJW White-hating racist propaganda horseshit, that Whites are responsible for every single evil thing that ever happened on earth – and especially to every Black ?

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  183. @TonyVodvarka

    You don’t know what you’re talking about.

    1) “For over a hundred years, it has been our tax money hard at work, through invasions, occupations, embargoes, coupes d’etat, that destroyed any and all attempts of the Haitian people to bring order to their hapless country, regarding it only as a place of pillage”

    2) “our never-ending plundering and neglect”

    America may have comprehensively fucked half the middle east to hell – at the SOLE behest of the Jewish psycopaths who call the shots for Israel from the Washington lobby groups – but there is not a shred of evidence that the USA has in any way at any time been involved in the various Black disasters of Haiti. If you want to blame anyone – other than 300 years of non-working, non-achieving, non-caring Blacks themselves – then blame the (entirely Black and Jewish) slave-masters who created Haiti as a festering hellhole of misery, death and demonic evil in the first place.

  184. @Dave Bowman

    I believe every african american is responsible for their own well being. they are americans = more advantageous than every single new immigrant. if first generation immigrants can take care of themselves, why native born AA cannot? especially given affirmative action for the last 30 years or so.

    but we are talking about haiti, not native born blacks right?

  185. shocknawe says:

    A very hypocritical defense. The orange buffon is calling countries shitholes at the exact same time his diplomats are grovelling to them to look out for terrorists set to attack us. I’m sure they’ll increase their vigilance, now. LOL The comment wasn’t necessary. It was stooopid. That it was true is an even dumber excuse. Conservatives need to quit ‘doubling down’ on dumb. Don’t like the Libs? Well, excusing politicians’ stupidity will give them the advantage.

    • Replies: @Steve Gittelson
  186. @willem1

    Immigration isn’t about other countries. It’s about dispossessing and displacing Whites. It is a genocidal tactic used by Jews against Whites.

  187. @Ali Choudhury

    The point is not for Whites to support Mexicans, not in the long run. The Jews driving immigration want the Mexicans to REPLACE the Whites.

  188. @Tom57

    Haiti=Ireland?
    Yeah, but for 20 IQ points

  189. @Corvinus

    No mention of average IQ, a racial characteristic. No mention of susceptibility to Jewish racial agitation against Whites.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  190. @Low Voltage

    These are not refugees. They are genocidal replacements for the Whites who built America.

  191. @Astuteobservor II

    Every Black majority society that has ever existed anywhere at any time is a Shithole. “White colonial exploitation” is a Jewish agit-prop narrative.

  192. @Biff

    There have never been humans native to Haiti. The people you reference are almost certainly murdering usurpers who killed off previous Beringian migrants during the last Ice Age.

  193. @WhiteRacistsAreStupid

    Zionism pretends to promote “equality” only to the extent of foisting a false fungibility of races, at least long enough genocide Whites through social engineering.

    We see the true face of Zionism in Gaza every day.

  194. @Ali Choudhury

    Indians in America get away with racist economic gangsterism/cronyism that would get Whites burned at the stake, courtesy of an entire Federal bureaucracy weaponized by Jews to destroy Whites by any and all imaginable/unimaginable means.

    Immigrant Indians succeed because their early education wasn’t deliberately flooded 75 IQ “equals”.

  195. @Incitatus

    Breivik? Instead of such a statistical outlier, how about the scores of Jewish CEO’s, Neocons and social engineers who together match Breivik’s tally every two or three minutes?
    Or the Jewish Commissars who slaughtered 50 million Slavs because Russia didn’t have an NRA?

  196. @Cheguw

    What about the Jewish supremacists who’ve controlled America for 150 years and have manipulated Blacks every minute of it against the White race?

    I don’t know of ANY actual “White supremacists”: That’s a Jew agit-prop tag used to manipulate Blacks.

    • Replies: @Truth
  197. Talha says:
    @Incitatus

    he now follows Odin

    I thought you were joking so I looked that up…(face palm).

    I wonder if the neo-pagan equivalent of CAIR put out a press release stating not all neo-pagans are like this and that neo-paganism means “peace”.

    Knight Templar

    Hmmm…do they know this? Like did they issue him a member card? My how their standards have dropped since the Crusades. I guess the next step is opening up membership to Satanists?

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Che Guava
    , @Incitatus
  198. Anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    They also seem to willingly taking it in the Hershey Highway, as long as the penetrator is dark meat.

    • Replies: @Talha
  199. Che Guava says:
    @Talha

    Talha, that post to which you reply is insane, not to implying that your reply to it is.

  200. Che Guava says:
    @7.62mm

    Do you mean silicone or silicon Valley? My accurate impression from your posts is that you are not knowing the diff.

    You will have a small benefit in your education from learning it.

  201. Talha says:
    @Anon

    This seems like a compromise White Nationalists could agree to since there is no progeny.

    Maybe they can come out with public service announcements:
    If you’re going to have sex with a Black man, do your race the courtesy to take it in the back side.

    Or more direct:
    Sodomy; the fatherland demands it!

    And it can have one of those really cool throwback propaganda themes to it (“Of course I can!”):

    Everybody’s happy! You’re welcome.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Truth
  202. Truth says:
    @Talha

    I just spit my coffee on the phone.

    But it is logical!

    • Replies: @Talha
  203. Incitatus says:
    @Talha

    “I thought you were joking…”

    Wish I was. Breivik may well be an Unz regular:

    “…convinced he was a warrior in a “low intensity civil war” and had been chosen to save his people…believed himself to be the “knight Justiciar grand master”…Six hours before the attacks, Breivik posted a picture of himself as a Knight Templar…the purpose of the attack was to save Norway and Western Europe from a Muslim takeover…the Labour Party had to “pay the price” for “letting down Norway and the Norwegian people.”

    - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

    Immanent peril, conspiracies, scapegoats. Those evil [Muslims, Jews, Haitians, Africans – take your pick]. Familiar laments at Unz. Is it dangerous?

    Check out Breivik’s manifesto (great sleep aid):

    https://sites.google.com/site/knightstemplareurope/2083

    His video (also a great sleep aid):
    ‘2083 – European Declaration of Independence by Knights Templar Anders Behring Breivik.flv’

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0C9ihwzJp8abk1penU5T1lhdVU/view

    Appears to be a self-appointed (neo?) Templar. L’Ordre was tried at Cathédrale St-Maurice de Vienne Oct 1311 – Apr 1312 (Philippe le Bel and Clément V needed cash). The last genuine members – accused of heresy and more sordid behavior – were burned to death in 1314. Seven hundred years ago.

    Is Breivik an isolated case of Templar-envy? Judge for yourself:

    Onward Christian soldiers, Marching as to war
    “my grandfather was a VIP in the Knights Templers”
    [image]
    “if the Christian church ever remembers that there were men in their ranks in ages past, and not the homo-immigrant-Zionist/shekel-suckers that make up “Christian” leadership today…perhaps like these Russian Orthodox types:”
    [image]
    “then I suspect that there’s something that might just stir in the dormant blood of Europa, and awaken the noble soul of our ancestors…”

    - http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/#comment-2101980

    “you know I was always taught that the crusaders were mean and irrational…
    until I was able to see Zionism in action, and ISIS in action, and realized that those proud and noble Christian knights were simply leaving their homes and families and marching thousands of miles away to drive Satan out from the holy land, and restore honor and grace to Jerusalem.”

    -http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/fighting-israels-wars/#comment-2102106

    Rurik at his best. Seems Gramps (a banker) was a “VIP” in an ersatz-neo-Temple. Asked if he wore chain mail at home, or just on special occasions (e.g. infidels in the neighborhood). No answer. Wonder what other passions Rurik shares with Breivik.

    Best

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
  204. Truth says:
    @Toby Keith

    You’re saying you’re not a white supremacist?

  205. Talha says:
    @Incitatus

    Hey Incitatus,

    Those evil [Muslims, Jews, Haitians, Africans – take your pick]. Familiar laments at Unz. Is it dangerous?

    Yeah – there is a way to handle the immigration debate without going overboard. Haitians, Africans, Afghans, etc. – you name it…obviously many want to come to the West. Nothing evil about it, they just want greener pastures, can you blame them? It’s the job of the government to secure the borders. And if they aren’t doing so, we’re supposed to vote in people who do. Rinse, repeat, etc.

    Actually Breivik really fits a lot of the profile of the lone-wolf terrorist guys that claim fealty to ISIS right before they go ballistic. Loners, off the grid, radicalizing online in their mom’s basement. I believe Breivik lived with his mom.

    The last genuine members – accused of heresy and more sordid behavior – were burned to death in 1314.

    That’s what I recall as well, though I wasn’t sure of the century. But hey, these things have a way of popping back up, trust me. We still haven’t gotten rid of the Khawarij strain – they were routed and officially dispersed about 14 centuries ago. Cut off one head of the hydra and it comes back several hundred years later in a new form.

    As far as the Crusaders in toto – well, that’s a very difficult one to pin down. Some were quite sincere and had valid concerns – what with the Seljuks cutting off pilgrimage to the Holy Land and the Fatimid ruler (the possibly-mad Hakim Amr Billah) razing the Church of the Holy Sepulcher to the ground. But their actions on the ground were quite varied. Some of them were noble and acted as such – as even recorded by the Muslims. And others…they seemed a despicable lot, fighting for spoils among themselves, butchering even local Orthodox Christians – eventually even sacking and pillaging Constantinople.

    I don’t agree with many things with the people I engage with on UNZ, but I heed the words of Prof. Joseph Lumbard:
    “If you don’t actively engage real thinkers or figures of opposing views, your blind spots and predilections become prejudices or phobias.”

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  206. Talha says:
    @Incitatus

    I actually thought this gentleman (an immigrant to Sweden – ha!) actually had one of the best, sensible approaches to the subject with any need to throw insults or whatever. He simply breaks it down from a logical, rational approach:

    By the way, he has one righteous beard – wow – superb!

  207. Incitatus says:
    @Talha

    Hi Talha,

    “there is a way to handle the immigration debate without going overboard.”

    Agree. For many at Unz it’s not really about immigration. It’s about power and nihilism. Immigration, race, religion, origins, IQ are fulcrums that can enlist followers. Just add conspiracy and mix.

    Assisted living employs quite a few immigrants from Haiti, Africa and the like. Most very competent and compassionate in my experience. Travel and life abroad dispels a lot of xenophobia. Sometimes think Unzers live in mom’s basement and play video games when they’re not blogging.

    “As far as the Crusaders in toto – well, that’s a very difficult one to pin down. Some were quite sincere and had valid concerns… their actions on the ground were quite varied…they seemed a despicable lot”

    I’d say standards of the times were despicable. Nobody on any side looks very good. Richard I d’Angleterre butchered prisoners in cold blood, Saladin did the same (Templars and Hospitallers). To say little of the Nizari Ismailis, equal opportunity murderers.

    Anna Comnène’s ‘Alexiad’ is a fascinating portrait of the First Crusade. Describes Franks as barbarians – especially Bohémond de Taranto, who she seems to admire (lust?). Doesn’t stress the ‘civilized’ continuous Byzantine intrigue, frequent coups, and typical blinding of pretenders (Norwich: Byzantium, three volumes).

    Her father Alexis, after all, made the 911 call to Urban II and started the whole mess. Hakim Amr Billah’s destruction of the Holy Sepulcher was a dog-whistle for enlisting crusaders, but it happened 86 years prior to Clermont.

    “If you don’t actively engage real thinkers or figures of opposing views, your blind spots and predilections become prejudices or phobias.”

    Wise council.

    Best.

    • Replies: @Talha
  208. Corvinus says:
    @Toby Keith

    “No mention of average IQ, a racial characteristic.”

    IQ could be a racial characteristic, as it could be an environmental factor as well.

    “No mention of susceptibility to Jewish racial agitation against Whites.”

    Except Jews are not “racially agitated” when it comes to race. You are peddling Fake News.

    “White colonial exploitation” is a Jewish agit-prop narrative.”

    No, white colonial exploitation of the 1500′s and onward is a European “invade the world, invite the world” philosophy.

    “These are not refugees. They are genocidal replacements for the Whites who built America.”

    Actually, Europeans and African slaves helped to build the Thirteen Colonies. America was then built by different groups of people–white, non-white, European, non-European.

    You really are historically ignorant.

  209. Corvinus says:
    @Anon

    “The real problem is women in places like Norway have Jungle Fever and want to have sex with black men from sh**holes nations.”

    Fake News.

    “Also, cucky white men worship blacks as studs and athletes and their ‘may the best man win’ means that inferior white men should relinquish their women to black men who are superior because they can beat up white guys.”

    No, not “cucky white men”, just men who enjoy athletics and competition.

  210. Talha says:
    @Truth

    I’m just doing my part to help promote racial harmony and reduce conflict.

    The campaign can have a catchy phrase:
    Nice and tight if it’s White,
    In the back if it’s Black

    Again – you’re welcome.

    Peace.

  211. @willem1

    Well, those cities are filled with Asians of one sort or another. Haiti? Not so much.

  212. WG says:

    More proof that magic dirt does not work and you cannot change people that quickly just by transporting them out of their “S#[email protected]

  213. Talha says:
    @Incitatus

    Hey Incitatus,

    Travel and life abroad dispels a lot of xenophobia.

    This is quite true. I recently read something by an American who traveled alone through Malawi (I believe he was a Christian missionary). He described that, despite brutal and abject poverty in certain areas, people were very kind and generous and went out of their way to make him (a White guy) feel welcome. He described a scene when a bus he was on broke down and all the passengers waited for it to be fixed and milled around in an adhoc picnic, sharing stories and food. I think he and one other person were the only non-natives.

    Nobody on any side looks very good.

    Not by our current international post-WW2 standards. Killing or execution of male prisoners on the battlefield was pretty universal. The other option was usually slavery or ransom (if you came from a wealthy enough family). If you were particularly fortunate and the victor was generous, you might be freed on the spot and left to wander back home (sans weapons and armor, of course). Even the great European hero, Charlemagne, put a bunch of recalcitrant captive heathen men to the sword if I recall – two thousand or so.

    Though I’m glad we don’t do that now, I really wonder if we would have found it so appalling in those days. Now massacres of unarmed women and children, yeah – that’s pretty disgusting.

    Anna Comnène’s ‘Alexiad’ is a fascinating portrait of the First Crusade. Describes Franks as barbarians

    I have read a couple of works on the Crusades – I have a book on it looking at things from a fairly neutral military perspective (tactics, weapons, training, etc.), but it seems you have read far more. One interesting article someone posted on another thread was about an incident after the siege of Ma’arra where some Crusaders cannibalized the Muslim dead (they were led by that same Bohemond, thus I guess the barbaric description fits, eh?):

    https://www.historychannel.com.au/articles/crusaders-become-cannibals/

    Always interesting engaging with you – I learn new things.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  214. @Dan Hayes

    Good catch on the school photo. That’s something I had never read before. McCourt’s books were always too bleak for me to get into, so I’m not enough of a reader of his work to have become a critic. In my own Irish roots, the most recent immigrant arrived here in the 18th century, so my own feeling of kinship to Irish experience has always been faint.

    • Agree: Dan Hayes
  215. “Mr. Trump’s comment regarding his preference for immigrants from Norway instead of “shithole countries” such as Haiti engendered among the commentariat a great squealing.

    I cannot fathom this.”

    Really? Then Fred is either dumber than a rock or plainly disingenuous. Words have consequences and the president’s use of gutter language in a public forum is clearly damaging and unworthy of the respect of any civilized person.

    • Replies: @Steve Gittelson
  216. @shocknawe

    A very hypocritical defense. The orange buffon is calling countries shitholes at the exact same time his diplomats are grovelling to them to look out for terrorists set to attack us. I’m sure they’ll increase their vigilance, now. LOL The comment wasn’t necessary. It was stooopid. That it was true is an even dumber excuse. Conservatives need to quit ‘doubling down’ on dumb. Don’t like the Libs? Well, excusing politicians’ stupidity will give them the advantage.

    LOL. Very little commentary, if any, is “necessary”. And I didn’t hear the “orange buffoon” say anything at all about it. Now, we did hear Dippy Durbin caterwaul at some length for many days. Then, to followup, there are people like YOU, who make unnecessary comments pointing out that comments are unnecessary.

    An incisive intellect, you are not.

  217. @Mark Prent

    Words have consequences and the president’s use of gutter language in a public forum is clearly damaging and unworthy of the respect of any civilized person.

    Say what? What public forum was in operation that published the alleged ‘shithole’ comment? None that I know of. Durbin did babble on at some length on the teevee news, yes.

    Just for the record, ever been to Haiti? I have. The Dominican Republic is on the east side of the island, and the DR, just for the record, is a nice little shithole. Nice people, by and large, but a shithole. Haiti is a very-not-nice shithole, and exponentially shitholier than the Dominican Republic.

    Get it yet? You speak as an ignorant dumbass, and Haiti is a shithole. Truth is truth.

  218. Incitatus says:
    @Talha

    Hi Talha,

    “…despite brutal and abject poverty in certain areas, people were very kind and generous and went out of their way to make him (a White guy) feel welcome…”

    My experience as well. Especially Bahrain, Jordan and Syria in the early 70s.

    Stepping back, hospitality in initial contact is customary in many (most?) cultures and religions. Benefit of the doubt and reciprocity? Common in early French exploration of America. Champlain on Lake Huron in 1615 (five years before the Mayflower). Louis Jolliet and six men in two canoes on the Mississippi to the Arkansas River in 1673. Cordial receptions with most tribes, thought vastly outnumbered. Suppose much depends on attitude (the Spanish tended to arrive with hundreds of soldiers and a conversion-by-force attitude). Their descriptions of Native Nations are fascinating.

    “…the siege of Ma’arra”

    Indeed, one of many nadirs. If I recall correctly, Raymond de St-Gilles (comte de Toulouse) was primarily involved. Bohémond was busy consolidating his victory (3 Jun 1098) as prince d’Antioche. Raymond, at loose ends, was trying to find/take his own domain (eventually Tripoli). Baudouin de Boulogne (Geoffroi de Bouiillon’s younger brother, future Baudouin I de Jérusalem) already had Édessa. The race for conquest and spoils.

    Just finished Lee’s ‘God’s Wolf’, a new book on Renaud de Châtillon. Dispels some myths. He was very creative in raising funds (from wealthy Patriarch Aimery de Limoges and Byzantine Cyprus). Guess they didn’t have Payday Lending back then. Saladin’s hatred of him has long been established. Likely for more than Renaud’s brutality (commonplace). Saladin’s defeat at Montgisard (1177) and Renaud’s Read Sea raids (threatening Hajis and Holy Places) seem more logical. Renaud, though 67, was too dangerous to leave alive.

    “Always interesting engaging with you – I learn new things.”

    Feel the same with your posts.

    Best.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @Talha
  219. Talha says:
    @Incitatus

    Hey Incitatus,

    Stepping back, hospitality in initial contact is customary in many (most?) cultures and religions.

    I agree here, though there are (of course) exceptions to the rule, like the aboriginal Sentinelese in India. Though maybe that stems from a prior experience where they allowed a stranger to come in and some foreign disease wiped out half their population or something.

    Common in early French exploration of America…Cordial receptions with most tribes, thought vastly outnumbered. Suppose much depends on attitude (the Spanish tended to arrive with hundreds of soldiers and a conversion-by-force attitude).

    Yes, I remember reading that the French traders and many initial European settlers like them seemed to have amicable relations (generally) and a mutually beneficial relationship.

    The Spanish, as you pointed out came with soldiers, and you know how they are – when you have a hammer in your hand, everything looks like a nail. It is in the nature of how you would expect them to approach things.

    Renaud’s Read Sea raids (threatening Hajis and Holy Places) seem more logical

    This one was one of the straws that broke the camel’s back along with treacherous breaking of a truce and subsequent plundering of a caravan. If I recall, it was on both of these occasions that Saladin (ra) promised to kill the man by his own hands (which he fulfilled). Battles were one thing, but raiding unarmed caravans of religious pilgrims was just vile. He also gave no quarter to the men involved in those raids, they were executed when caught.

    Peace.

  220. Talha says:
    @Incitatus

    Stepping back, hospitality in initial contact is customary in many (most?) cultures and religions. Benefit of the doubt and reciprocity?

    Came across this today – a Japanese movie was made about how they rescued the crew of a sunken Ottoman navy ship and how the Turks returned the favor almost 100 years later:

    Really cool when you come across things like this; sometimes we focus way too much on the negative.

    Peace.

    • Replies: @Incitatus
  221. Incitatus says:
    @Talha

    Talha,

    Thanks. Nice way to start the day. You’re right – we focus too much on differences, not enough on what we share. Life in a reality TV world? Best we pull the plug from time to time.

    Best

  222. hyperbola says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    Norway also has its problems. Perhaps their #1 rating reflects their conformity with the globalists?

    Norway’s Link to Clinton Foundation & Obama — Corruption to Create World War III

    https://www.theburningplatform.com/2016/10/05/norways-link-to-clinton-foundation-obama-corruption-to-create-world-war-iii/

    Corruption cloud settles over Norway

    http://www.newsinenglish.no/2014/03/25/corruption-cloud-settles-over-norway/

    Corruption Behind the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize

    http://www.voltairenet.org/article162559.html

  223. @Johan Meyer

    Liberia had white administrators for a century and was orderly, prosperous n peaceful. In the 1970s rule was passed with great ceremony to black administrators. Just a few years later civil war broke out followed by coups, massacres, n finally Charles Taylor who spread the destruction to Sierra Leone n Guinea. The fighting did not stop until the UN finally intervened. One of the worst warlords is still in the government just waiting for “self rule” to return so he can resume his former activities.

    For some countries like Haiti n Liberia the best thing would be to return to white rule n colonialism. Only their pride keeps them from acknowledging this.

  224. @fnn

    ‘…You just can’t find any news of any major positive changes in Haiti since 1994…’

    I can’t think of any positive change in Haiti before 1994, either. It seems improbable that the country has invariably and continuously gone downhill since the dawn of time, but maybe it has.

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