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Continuity is comforting. The sun rises, the value of pi remains unchanged, businesses burn, cars are smashed, and rioters with the minds of children and the hormones of adults throw bricks at the police. All in good fun.

These incidents seem to come at shorter intervals. In characteristic confusion, in Milwaukee the mob believed that the dead man was shot in the back when the body-cam video show that he was raising a pistol toward the policeman (Milwaukee, Wisconsin ). Either they can’t read, don’t read, don’t have access to the internet, or don’t care. As usual, sixty years after Brown vs. the School Board they shout in illiterate semi-English.

It isn’t working. The racial thing, I mean. The hunting of whites, beatings of whites, calls for attacks on whites. In the age of cell phones, the media can hide only so much.

To avoid admitting that we are seeing a racial insurgency, the media insist that the police are the problem. They are not. Blacks are unmistakably gripped by a powerful racial hatred of white people. If the police were perfect, nothing would change.

Milwaukee

“Teen neighbor charged with capital murder in slaying of burned elderly veteran” Why is this not racism, or even reprehensible, whereas describing this jewel as what he is results in being fired? “(Birmingham police lieutenant Sean) Edwards said that the preliminary investigation shows the suspect and the victim had an argument, before the victim was doused with gasoline and set on fire.”

In Milwaukee the policeman who shot the criminal was himself black–yet the mob specifically attacked whites. A woman screamed in fluent dey-be-he-be that blacks should burn the suburbs of whites. I saw this on the video, but now read that CNN has cut that part. If you don’t admit that you have cancer, it will go away.

Perennial problems come in two flavors, those that we can’t solve and those that we won’t solve. For example the war on Afghanistan could be ended simply by bringing the troops home. We just choose not to do it.

I can think of no way to solve the country’s racial disaster. Can you?

Ritual chantings about racism, discrimination, white privilege, institutional racism, and so on are neither a program nor a solution. (Incidentally, why is “Kill Whitey” not racist?) Neither is documenting the intense racism of blacks, interracial-rape ratios, crime, and low scores on promotional examinations.

For the moment, let us assume that all of the complaints of blacks and their allies are correct. All right. We have done that. Now what?

There seems to be no solution. The underlying problem that will not go away is that blacks as a race have not shown themselves able to function in a modern society. Degrees and exceptions yes, but the central fact remains. One is not supposed to say this, and would that it were not true, but it is.

In particular they have lagged far behind academically. Attribute causation as you wish. The condition remains. It has proved impervious to every conceivable social program. For this reason affirmative action has become an entitlement rather than an entry point. For this reason the blacks in the blighted cities will never be employable. Everything works against them, most potently their own attitudes. Joblessness rises among better qualified whites. Obama brings in more Latinos to compete with blacks.

Further, those in the ghettos show little disposition either to study or to work. This also is an obvious truth that one must not utter. A Mexican woman will work as a maid until she figures out something better; a black woman will not. A young Salvadoran man will make his way up Central America, through Mexican police likely to beat him, ride the Train of Death to the US border, and sneak into a country whose language he does not understand to work construction and send money back to his family. A black in Chicago won’t buy a Greyhound ticket to the same job. Yes, there are reasons. A condition does not go way merely because there is a reason for it.

It isn’t working.

Does anyone, black or white, man or woman, Left or Right, see any hope of change? Apparently not, since discussion consists entirely of vituperation. Squalling about conservative racism or liberal hypocrisy does nothing at all to change anything at all. Blacks, the only ones who could render their schools orderly, or make their children do their homework, or persuade their women to essay matrimony, do not.

The cultural divide appears unbridgeable. Blacks are a self-aware, aggrieved, and angry people widely apart from the civilization of whites. They have little desire for assimilation and indeed actively reject it. In Mexico, blacks speak normal Spanish and, in France, normal French. In America, Dat be actin’ white. They give their children strange names, Latoyota and Keeshawn, to maintain distance from whites. Their music is both frequently obscene and frequently hostile to whites. “Acting white,” as for example by studying, is punitively disdained. This is not headed for comfortable multicultural commensalism.

The core of blackness seems to consist of, first, a belief that all of their travails spring from the malignity of whites and, second, that whites owe it to them to solve their problems.

In politics, the focus is entirely on cosmetics. For example, Obama has ordered the Justice Department to use “justice-involved youth” instead of “juvenile delinquent,” and to cease using the word “Negro.” How this will improve literacy in the ghetto is not clear. He wants schools to suspend black and white students proportionately, being unhappy that blacks are suspended at higher rates. His is the quintessential black point of view: Everything springs from racism, of which blacks don’t have any, and the solution is a federal regulation.

Obama never says that black kids ought to study more or that black women ought to behave responsibly in childbearing. He clearly believes them incapable of it, a position is indistinguishable from that of the KKK. They both seem to be right.

ORDER IT NOW

Why should things be otherwise? Blacks have no roots in European civilization, nor in African, if any Slavery decultured the slaves, leading to a free-floating miasma of American blacknism. This is unfortunate, which changes nothing.The denomination “African-American” serves more to separate them from whites than to link them to Africa. American African might be more realistic.

The racial experiment has failed. We must not say so, but I suspect that most of us know it. To admit it would be to concede the unspeakable. The horrible question arises again: What now?

It is apparent that nothing of any use in going to be done and probably that nothing can be done. The police? Pulling all police out of black neighborhoods would end complaints of racism by cops. It would also leave the ghettos utterly controlled by criminals. Take your choice.

The calls for the burning of white neighborhoods do not bode well. Whites often are well armed. Gun sales are way up. Men I know have no desire to shoot anyone but will do so if their homes are threatened.

What now? The Fergusons, Baltimores, and Milwaukees may calm down, but if they do, the underlying situation will not change. Nobody seems to have any more idea than I do what to do about it, which is no idea at all.

What now?

(Republished from Fred on Everything by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    What’s the path forward?

    According to Pew about 1/4 of black male newlyweds in 2013 married white women or a different race. Most black men don’t marry so this isn’t representative of young blacks in America but shows an unmistakably rising trend towards race mixing between whites and blacks.

    With enough time (over 100 years) American blacks will be absorbed into white America through interracial marriage and dating.

    Caribbean blacks have already been absorbed into the white majority in the UK. Hardly any young full blooded Caribbean children in the UK anymore. That only took 2 generations.

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    • Replies: @tim s
    lies, damn lies, and ...hmm I forget - oh yeah, statistics.

    Why not look up the number of offspring of those black newlyweds with other races and show us the percentage relative to the number of AA offspring born out of wedlock here in the US?

    , @Anonymous
    You have won (hands down) the award for stupidest comment on the internet.
    , @Oleaginous Outrager
    "With enough time (over 100 years) American blacks will be absorbed into white America through interracial marriage and dating."

    So all we have to do is sit around and wait? What a bold plan!
    , @random observer
    At what point were Caribbean blacks 13-15% of the population of the United Kingdom, and how was a figure this large so easily absorbed without consequences?
    , @Jim Christian
    Anonymous just trolled you guys.
    , @attonn
    LOL. You probably meant "white people will be absorbed away into other races". That surely is happening already.
    , @Olorin
    Yah, coz mixed race blacks have proven to be such stellar members of the citizenry.

    Your soft genocide Rx is entirely uninformed by hard genetics.
    , @Epaminondas
    If Brazil and Jamaica are the endgame, excuse me if I opt out.
    , @gwynedd1
    That's not what's happening. The best of the blacks is being skimmed into the majority. The black ghettos will just get worse. They are being bred into complete idiocy. This is even going on in white red neck areas , but at a much slower rate.
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  2. tim s says:

    Neither Jesus nor Will Rogers ever met one of these hood rats. Too bad so many of us want to identify with either or both of those. Our ancestors would be terribly ashamed of their descendants, who let their house get so out of order.

    What now? Noone knows overall, but I’d imagine that many of those Fred knows who don’t want to shoot will be changing their minds. Their children certainly won’t be so restrained if this keeps up, and for all of the reasons Fred mentions, it shows no signs of letting up.

    The rioting over a justifiable (dare I say desireable) police shooting/killing in Milwaukee? Where are the riots over this burning outrage? Are we too “civilized”? Yes, I admit rioting would be beneath us. Are we too weak? Yes, but not that weak. Give it time….the scales are falling from peoples eyes at a rapid pace.

    It’s also not just a black-white problem. NOBODY likes these rats.

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    • Replies: @Seoulsurvivor
    "Are we too weak?"

    Things will definitely change if those mobs do what that little splib bitch twat told the rioters in Milwaukee to do i.e. go burn down the white suburbs.

    But then again...

    There is a common refrain coming from the racial issues we face and it basically goes, “the showdown’s coming, the whites are going to go from a simmer to a full boil”. But I think maybe not. Whites, culturally and communally, are not capable of being homogenized. Meaning they simply do not mix into a cohesive, collective group. The Borg they will never be. They do not form actual neighborhoods with a collective communal mindset. White neighborhoods are simply a geographically specific collection of people with no sense of unity or interest in one another. Really no different than a stadium full of people. Proximity doesn’t make a community or a support system. The other races do seem to be able to come together and support each other and “take it to the streets”. Flawed as their reasoning might be when they do take issue they are nonetheless able to bond together collectively. Getting whites to reach critical mass is like expecting the south poles of two magnets to attract and bond. To quote a founding father, We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.
    , @Faust
    "It’s also not just a black-white problem. NOBODY likes these rats."

    I would probably be classified as a racist, but I do in fact have several black friends. Their daughters are named Susan, Mary, Margaret. they deride those who give their daughters "isha" names. they declare they would whip their sons before permitting them out of the house with their pants around their knees. They have moved for employment, they struggle to send their kids to better schools.

    I would say these people are not a "problem", but I wonder. These people are all circa 50. A few years ago I went to a large birthday party, as a "date", for one of them turning 50. I found that I was the only white person there. Those of an age were all polite and cordial. But their children found it necessary to "bump" into me with greater force and frequency than seemed normal. Has something been lost between generations?
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  3. joef says:

    There is an radical afro american insurgency. Their demands are infinite unearned entitlements and no accountability, especially in regards to racial violence & crime. The leftist believe that if they keep on sacrificing the rest of us that it will appease them. But experience has shown that this is not only not true, but the opposite reaction has happened. The academic/MSM liberal elite naively believe that afro americans will actually make enough distinctions to classify them as the ‘good white people’, and therefore be immune from afro american perpetrated racial violence.

    But there is also a feeling among the average suburban white, who never lived with the black ghetto on their door step, just want to ignore the problem and give afro americans what they want, (so the suburban whites can continue to enjoy their bread and circuses).
    Thus I am not adverse to afro americans taking the violence to the suburbs. Its time for the suburban whites to join the party, and deal with what radical afro americans are really about. There is no pretending when confronted with violence, where pet racial theories fold against the harsh reality of limitless afro american animosity. It sounds callous but remember that these same insulated suburban whites (with the exception of the urban white flight refugees) are pretty callous when it comes to victims of afro american violent crime.

    So let the games begin. Then maybe when we recognize the reality of our current dysfunctional situation, we can attempt to solve the problem. Until then, it will only continue to get much much worse. Economic decline plus racial balkanization is very bad for national stability. And if its bad now, just think how bad it will be when austerity hits this nation; when afro americans are dissatisfied with more, what do you think what will happen when we can only give them less?

    Regardless this radical afro american insurgency will only increase in intensity, especially when they constantly fantasize about a race war. Either we confront it now or confront it latter, but either way its a situation we must confront. This is not something the rest of us asked for, but it is something that the radical afro americans want, badly. Thus if we do not change their hearts & minds (which leftist interference will never allow), we will reach the point of unrestrained violence, where we will have only two plausible reactions: fight or die (and the whites who are proud of being against guns will probably fall in the later category).

    If the worst happens the biggest potential losers in this type of situation are the blacks who are not part of this radical afro american agenda. They will suffer from the radical afro americans who will treat them like traitors, and from everyone else, who out of fear, will literally/figuratively shoot first & ask questions later (the only advice to those who are in this predicament is to move out of the afro american ghetto area & build your social capital among your neighbors).

    We been simultaneously been kicking the economic can and the racial can down the road for a long time, and conditions have steadily become worse over the last half century. Eventually we will kick the cans over the cliff. We did not ask for this, but nevertheless reality will force us to eventually respond to it (like it or not).

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    But there is also a feeling among the average suburban white, who never lived with the black ghetto on their door step, just want to ignore the problem and give afro americans what they want, (so the suburban whites can continue to enjoy their bread and circuses).
    Thus I am not adverse to afro americans taking the violence to the suburbs.
     
    I share your feelings on this. The country is imperiled because whites are dishonest about their feelings. They understand the problem and flee it but don't want to admit it out of fear of being called racist. They hope that if they keep their heads in the suburban sands that it will leave them alone. Well, it isn't going to let their kids alone because this ethnic and cultural cleansing will impact every aspect of their lives. Let the suburban middle-class experience firsthand what they are enabling to happen.
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  4. tim s says:
    @Anonymous
    What's the path forward?

    According to Pew about 1/4 of black male newlyweds in 2013 married white women or a different race. Most black men don't marry so this isn't representative of young blacks in America but shows an unmistakably rising trend towards race mixing between whites and blacks.

    With enough time (over 100 years) American blacks will be absorbed into white America through interracial marriage and dating.

    Caribbean blacks have already been absorbed into the white majority in the UK. Hardly any young full blooded Caribbean children in the UK anymore. That only took 2 generations.

    lies, damn lies, and …hmm I forget – oh yeah, statistics.

    Why not look up the number of offspring of those black newlyweds with other races and show us the percentage relative to the number of AA offspring born out of wedlock here in the US?

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    @Anonymous
    What's the path forward?

    According to Pew about 1/4 of black male newlyweds in 2013 married white women or a different race. Most black men don't marry so this isn't representative of young blacks in America but shows an unmistakably rising trend towards race mixing between whites and blacks.

    With enough time (over 100 years) American blacks will be absorbed into white America through interracial marriage and dating.

    Caribbean blacks have already been absorbed into the white majority in the UK. Hardly any young full blooded Caribbean children in the UK anymore. That only took 2 generations.

    You have won (hands down) the award for stupidest comment on the internet.

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    And you posted a typically useless response.
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  6. MarkinPNW says:

    Wasn’t it the Moynihan Report from 1965 that laid out how welfare policies would aggravate and worsen the stability of black families by having the government, through welfare programs for single mothers, replace the role of black males as protectors and providers of their families?

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    • Replies: @woodNfish
    Yes, and Reed ignores the government's and the democratic party's hand in helping to destroy the black community. Some black leaders like MLK and the racist Farrakhan have told blacks they need strong families, but blacks are inherently lazy niggers.
    , @Anonymous
    So now you're going to blame the govt. & its welfare policies. Dollars for donuts your nut job liberal parents voted for the PC enablers during that time . Those backward , uneducated , redneck trailer trash southerners have been telling you this for the last 60 yrs. Before that it was self evident. Seems Shopenheimer 3 degrees of truth is running counter clockwise. Look at the continent of Africa - without colonialism no welfare programs there ..
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  7. Historically, when you get a situation where there is no possibility of a peaceful settlement, you get a violent settlement. US Blacks have been worse than stupid because they refuse to think for themselves and have allowed themselves to be kept in a situation akin to slavery. Emotionally, they are little more than children and thinking like children, they act out when no one gives them their way.

    No, it will not end well, except for the survivors. There may be very few black survivors, but they will find themselves in what amounts to little more than chattel slavery again.

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    • Replies: @Jim Christian
    If there's poetic justice, it is that it is in their nature to destroy each other in spite of all the "Brother this and that" talk. Shame more don't go that way before they've fathered 6 just like themselves. Bad idea indeed to come out to suburbs, present yourself for mayhem duty in a White suburb, the police will make short work of you, for what other reason would you be there? Even the press can't cover up for mischievous Blacks coming out from Washington DC to Fairfax County, Virginia that get killed by cops or citizens. Sister Soulja in the video suggesting such things is a moron. Oh, wait, yeah, I forgot. Hate to sound like Mercenary White Guy, but really, I'm just returning their sentiment towards me.
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  8. pyrrhus says:

    It is apparent that nothing of any use in going to be done and probably that nothing can be done. The police? Pulling all police out of black neighborhoods would end complaints of racism by cops. It would also leave the ghettos utterly controlled by criminals. Take your choice.

    The ghettos are already utterly controlled by criminals, some of whom are Democrat party apparatchiks. Pull the cops out….

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  9. Dave B says:

    There are two ways out, both are possible if we have the will, neither one likely with large numbers of the population brain-addled by political correctness and other mental diseases. I say let’s give the blacks two choices, to be decided in a referendum.

    Choice one is total assimilation into the majority culture. This would start with a full force police and military sweep though all black neighborhoods, rooting out all known and suspected gang members. Instant execution. The remaining blacks would have to learn proper English take normal American names, and take responsibility for themselves. If this means moving 1,000 miles out of the city to harvest crops in a rural state, so be it. Just the way Latinos travel thousands of miles to cross into the US to work. Anyone who violates these rules would be repatriated to whatever African country they wanted.

    The second option is total white removal from their lives. If they hate us so much, so be it, bring back total segregation. No white cops in black neighborhoods. No cops of any color if so desired. Let them make their own rules and do things their own way. Of course, no white interference would also mean no white girls with a bad case of jungle fever entering black neighborhoods to sooth the poor black men, no white money in the form of welfare checks, etc.

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    The leftist elites will never allow either option. This whole thing is like a runaway train heading off a cliff. I wish that the rest of us, who were not responsible for this racial mess, were not on it, but unfortunately we are. But the leftist are not the only enablers to this situation, it is also the materialistic myopic white suburban egoist who want to appear fashionable by having liberal ideas.
    I believe the large scale racial violence is almost inevitable at this point. If it takes radical afro americans taking it to the suburbs to wake up these ignorant suburbanites (who never had the afro american ghetto at their doorstep) then so be it; let them suffer like the rest of us.

    When society becomes dysfunctional and a species go beyond their own carrying capacity , a correction occurs with a corresponding die off. Since liberal whites make good victims, and radical afro americans have very limited ability to care of themselves, the resulting die off will mostly affect the people who have caused this dysfunctional mess. But it will also adversely affect the rest of us as well. The leftist have released the social dogs of (race) war upon us all, with their silly social experimentation, its only fitting that they suffer the consequences for it.

    , @Truth
    LMAO!

    "Constitutio, wha stinkin' constituio?"
    , @Corvinus
    "There are two ways out, both are possible if we have the will, neither one likely with large numbers of the population brain-addled by political correctness and other mental diseases. I say let’s give the blacks two choices, to be decided in a referendum."

    Who's collective will? Furthermore, when you characterize that millions of American whites under are mentally ill, you are engaging in anti-white conduct. Turn in your white card at the door, please.
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  10. joef says:
    @Dave B
    There are two ways out, both are possible if we have the will, neither one likely with large numbers of the population brain-addled by political correctness and other mental diseases. I say let's give the blacks two choices, to be decided in a referendum.

    Choice one is total assimilation into the majority culture. This would start with a full force police and military sweep though all black neighborhoods, rooting out all known and suspected gang members. Instant execution. The remaining blacks would have to learn proper English take normal American names, and take responsibility for themselves. If this means moving 1,000 miles out of the city to harvest crops in a rural state, so be it. Just the way Latinos travel thousands of miles to cross into the US to work. Anyone who violates these rules would be repatriated to whatever African country they wanted.

    The second option is total white removal from their lives. If they hate us so much, so be it, bring back total segregation. No white cops in black neighborhoods. No cops of any color if so desired. Let them make their own rules and do things their own way. Of course, no white interference would also mean no white girls with a bad case of jungle fever entering black neighborhoods to sooth the poor black men, no white money in the form of welfare checks, etc.

    The leftist elites will never allow either option. This whole thing is like a runaway train heading off a cliff. I wish that the rest of us, who were not responsible for this racial mess, were not on it, but unfortunately we are. But the leftist are not the only enablers to this situation, it is also the materialistic myopic white suburban egoist who want to appear fashionable by having liberal ideas.
    I believe the large scale racial violence is almost inevitable at this point. If it takes radical afro americans taking it to the suburbs to wake up these ignorant suburbanites (who never had the afro american ghetto at their doorstep) then so be it; let them suffer like the rest of us.

    When society becomes dysfunctional and a species go beyond their own carrying capacity , a correction occurs with a corresponding die off. Since liberal whites make good victims, and radical afro americans have very limited ability to care of themselves, the resulting die off will mostly affect the people who have caused this dysfunctional mess. But it will also adversely affect the rest of us as well. The leftist have released the social dogs of (race) war upon us all, with their silly social experimentation, its only fitting that they suffer the consequences for it.

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    When the train goes off the rails I agree most of the urban whites that are responsible for keeping Dems in power will be the first to be slaughtered. The gentrifiers will be the first in line of them to get it.

    Here on the West Coast it also means the all those rich whites living in beachfront homes and exclusive communities where you have to be a multimillionaire to live there are going to be targets. These and those palatial estates will be like magnets to those inner city mobs and gangs. What the rich don't know is that the police aren't going to be around if things get real bad.

    Couldn't happen to a better bunch though. Most of them bankrolled the Democratic party and their agenda. If they get eaten, no great loss.

    If we lose a couple dozen cities to a race war, I'd say it's no great loss as our cities have become giant unmanageable, corrupt pest holes, full of hostile 3rd worlders and run by the Democratic party machine.
    , @Ghost
    I agree with you. Lack of any progress (aka maintenance of status quo) is about maintaining chaos rather than peace. Both parties, all levels of so-called government...i.e. "the plan".
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  11. What now?

    In the medium term (50 years or so), middle and upper-middle class whites will insulate and isolate as they have done for 50 years – callously throwing their working-class and poor white kin to the wolves.

    In the longer term, well, that’s the question isn’t it. When honed by battle and survival, whites were once a remarkable force. However, that was many, many generations ago. We’ll see. (Well, I won’t see, but my children will.)

    Best guess is Brazil of the North.

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    You have won (hands down) the award for stupidest comment on the internet.

    And you posted a typically useless response.

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    • Replies: @Jus' Sayin'...

    "And you posted a typically useless response."
     
    He did so with good reason. Rationally engaging with an idiot is like trying to perfume a pig, the pig gets annoyed and you end up covered in sweat and pig shit. Schiller put it best: "gegen Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens".
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  13. In Mexico, blacks speak normal Spanish

    What is the negro population of Mexico and what civil rights or transfer payments do they have? They assimilate, try to marry up, and keep their families intact because they have to. If they acted out like they do in the US, I’m pretty sure they would be carved up like filets by their “fellow” Mexicans.

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  14. Our only hope: Skynet!

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  15. SamG says:

    The racial tension in the US is a manifestation of immanent justice (karma). Slavery created a traumatized and deracinated human being and a culture that prolongs it–rather analogous to certain pathologies one observes in Latin America among meztizos as a consequence of the Conquista. The indigenous peoples there are not assimilable either, and neither are the North American indigenous people assimilable–they refer to “apples” (those who are red outside but white inside). At bottom they, like most Black people, are not interested in assimilating, as Reed observes, save exceptionally. Frankly, more and more white people are detesting the current “culture” as well.

    As Fred observes, there is no “solution.” The US will suffer the consequences of the Indian genocide as well as of the Black slavery. The first “choc en retour” was the US civil war. Much more is coming. Immanent justice. Nothing can stop it.

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    Namaste, Sam, devotee of the bodhisattva Pollyanna. The concept of collective karma is about as Buddhist as a suburbanite dropping his slave name of Norman to call himself Kalateet. I live in Latin (South) America and I'm afraid what I've observed over many years of living here contradicts your notions, aunque sin duda con tu comprensión karmica tan profunda, nos puede enseñar una u otra cosa.

    "Immanent justice. Nothing can stop it."

    Be afraid, be very afraid. Better yet, take another toke and get yourself a chuño to signal your respect for the lost world of the Inca.
    , @joef
    What karma are you talking about? Who alive today ever owned a slave? What afro american today (or their great grand parents) were ever a slave? Answer to all these questions is none!!

    The afro american inability to defer gratification and work hard for succeeding generations is exclusively their problem. Their rant for reparations for slavery does not recognize the fact that it was already given to them through the loss of 600,000 lives in the Civil War to set them free.
    In addition we have been giving them ever increasing entitlements & affirmative action, while reducing their personal responsibility, for the last 50 years. And in these last 50 years the problem only gets worse with afro american entitlements being the main economic burden on this country. At least if they were thankful it would be somewhat tolerable, instead we get constant complaining.

    Yes I agree there will be immanent justice if it falls apart and the radical afro americans get their desired race war. But without the rule of law to protect the radical afro americans from acts of self defense (by calling acts of self defense, against afro american perps, 'racism', which results in the prosecution of the defender); coupled with their inability to be self sufficient (they cannot survive without handouts), it will go very bad for them.

    The rest of us did not want this outcome. Its the ghetto radical afro american, along with their leftist handlers, who are pushing for this (enabled by ignorant whites who want to be fashionable liberals). But be careful what you wish for.

    , @random observer
    I'm not sure how the civil war applies, inasmuch as it was entirely an artifact of political and moral philosophy developed only by whites and affecting only whites. Do suicidal cultural tendencies really count as karma when no outside cosmic force is in evidence?

    Not that I would mind seeing the ensuing Indian-Black struggle for the continent. If the Indians are really going to be sticklers for their rights, why should they put up with any imported population?
    , @Marcus
    What karma is coming to Africa, where slavery was never really abolished, only suppressed by European colonists?
    , @pyrrhus
    Pretty hilarious, given that the Indians and (fill in the blank with any group) got the land by pushing out or genociding the people who were there before them. For example, the Early European Farmers were virtually wiped out by the northern peoples who came after them...and what is the karmic position of the African tribes who sold (and still sell) their own people into slavery?
    , @Joe Franklin
    Blacks were never close to a majority in America, so it's mathematically impossible for most whites to have owned black slaves. At the peak of black slavery in the South, only 6 percent of Southern whites owned slaves. If you include the white people in the North, it means that only 1.4 percent of white Americans owned black slaves at the HEIGHT of slavery.

    An estimated 3,000 blacks owned a total of 20,000 black slaves in the year 1860. One study concluded that 28 percent of free blacks owned slaves, which is a far higher percentage than that of free whites who owned slaves.

    Although your textbooks are silent about it, most historians agree that two-thirds of ALL whites came to the colonies in some form of bondage. Legal papers on both sides of the ocean referred to them as "slaves." White slaves outnumbered black slaves in America throughout the 1600s.

    Hundreds of thousands of white slaves were kidnapped and brought to America; their middle-passage death rates were comparable to those of black slaves; they were sold at auction and traded for livestock, they were routinely beaten—sometimes to death—and an estimated one half of them died before gaining freedom. It's possible that more whites came to America against their will than blacks. Historians from both ends of the political spectrum say that white slaves were treated worse than black slaves.

    American blacks enjoy the highest standard of living of any black population on earth. Their average per capita income is TWENTY to FIFTY times higher than in any of the African countries from where they were displaced. It's true that part of America's wealth was built on black slavery; it is also true that American blacks are enjoying the fruits of that wealth. You, fair child, whether you were born black or white, weren't born in debt to anyone. You were born free. Don't let the bad people take it away from you.

    No, kids—the blacks, Arabs, and Jews were involved, too.
    • BLACKS: The president of an African country called Benin recently apologized to American blacks for his country's role in the slave trade. Slavery was common throughout Africa, with entire tribes becoming enslaved after losing battles. Tribal chieftains often sold their defeated foes to white slave-traders. In the late 1700s, a freed black American slave named Ottobah Cugoano wrote, "I was first kidnapped and betrayed by my own complexion, who were the first cause of my exile and slavery."
    • ARABS: The word "Abed" means "slave" in Arabic. It also means "black." The "Holy Land" of the Middle East has hosted far more African slaves than North America ever did.
    • JEWS: The oldest synagogue in America was built by Aaron Lopez, a Jewish slave trader. Jewish writers such as Cecil Roth, Wilfred Samuels, Seymour B. Liebman, and Moshe Kahan acknowledge that Jews were involved in all levels of the African slave trade.
    In fact, children, white Christians were the first group to make a concerted effort to ABOLISH slavery.

    http://www.vice.com/read/hey-v12n5
    , @annamaria
    "Slavery created a traumatized and deracinated human being ..."
    That might be correct for the black "beings" that lived in the US at least a hundred years ago. Since then it was a lack of society-imposed discipline on the thugs and mentally deficient (in combination with free welfare money and services) that created the ignorant and aggressive ghetto populations that are incapable of keeping a rudimentary cleanliness in their neighborhoods.
    For instance, instead of feeding the delinquents in the center city of Baltimore, give the Baltimore to Asians and Germans to see the city flourishing in a few years. But first make a condition that any welfare payment for the full-bodied men and women in Baltimore will be provided only when they move to a designated deep suburbia with nearby fields to work on.
    Don't treat human beings as incapable children.
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  16. turtle says:

    >dey-be-he-be
    LMAO :)
    >Their music
    Would that it were so, as it once was.

    http://chuckberry.com

    However, a ‘coon mouthing obscenities at high volume does not qualify as music, at least according to the conventional European (dare I say German?) definition.
    The quality of music is not strained; it does, however, require certain indispensable components, among which are life, liberty, and at least a visceral understanding of rhythm and melody. Harmony would be good, also.

    Jetzt am moment, Ich muss repair to das Batcave and listen to some Telemann.
    You know, actual music.
    (yeah, I know, “Dat be racist.”)
    bite me.

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    i'm a guitarist, or was. circumstance has deprived me of that pleasure. i played telemann and bach, many many others. the baroque period was a particular favorite. but i also played bluegrass, jazz, ragtime, blues, contemporary - finger-picking styles.
    i like all styles of music. even hip-hop. the blues, i love. and the blues came from the blacks.
    music is always on the move.
    but, i'm afraid, you are not.
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  17. Realist says:

    ” Either they can’t read, don’t read, don’t have access to the internet, or don’t care. As usual, sixty years after Brown vs. the School Board they shout in illiterate semi-English.”

    Blacks, are on the average, low IQ. And the problems we are having with blacks Vs whites is the results of mixing low IQ with high IQ.

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    "And the problems we are having with blacks Vs whites is the results of mixing low IQ with high IQ."

    There is no problem, as studies have shown that mixed children increase their IQ scores. See Rowe (2002) and this study, for starters.

    http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/03/mixed-race-people-taller-and-smarter-study-says-5277767/

    Besides, do not white people have the liberty to choose for themselves who they marry and procreate with?

    Or, must they seek your blessing?
    , @edNels

    Blacks, are on the average, low IQ. And the problems we are having with blacks Vs whites is the results of mixing low IQ with high IQ.
     
    Oh yeah right! those white bimbo whores that be mixin da genes is all geniuses ever one! Ever one is more smarter than the next, until they get up to about 80 %tile!

    Hell if Blacks would think about it a little, why not get a black hottie, they got some smoking' women.

    It's sort of a sad thing when anybody of either sex or background has to climb up socially through marriage, but go tell it on mountain. and there isn't so much social mobility as was advertised.

    But that's what mostly is what is the reason for cross hybridizing these days. A way to step up. It must take a cast iron stomach to to that, ya know, ''guess who's comming fer dinner?"
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  18. @Anonymous
    What's the path forward?

    According to Pew about 1/4 of black male newlyweds in 2013 married white women or a different race. Most black men don't marry so this isn't representative of young blacks in America but shows an unmistakably rising trend towards race mixing between whites and blacks.

    With enough time (over 100 years) American blacks will be absorbed into white America through interracial marriage and dating.

    Caribbean blacks have already been absorbed into the white majority in the UK. Hardly any young full blooded Caribbean children in the UK anymore. That only took 2 generations.

    “With enough time (over 100 years) American blacks will be absorbed into white America through interracial marriage and dating.”

    So all we have to do is sit around and wait? What a bold plan!

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  19. @SamG
    The racial tension in the US is a manifestation of immanent justice (karma). Slavery created a traumatized and deracinated human being and a culture that prolongs it--rather analogous to certain pathologies one observes in Latin America among meztizos as a consequence of the Conquista. The indigenous peoples there are not assimilable either, and neither are the North American indigenous people assimilable--they refer to "apples" (those who are red outside but white inside). At bottom they, like most Black people, are not interested in assimilating, as Reed observes, save exceptionally. Frankly, more and more white people are detesting the current "culture" as well.

    As Fred observes, there is no "solution." The US will suffer the consequences of the Indian genocide as well as of the Black slavery. The first "choc en retour" was the US civil war. Much more is coming. Immanent justice. Nothing can stop it.

    Namaste, Sam, devotee of the bodhisattva Pollyanna. The concept of collective karma is about as Buddhist as a suburbanite dropping his slave name of Norman to call himself Kalateet. I live in Latin (South) America and I’m afraid what I’ve observed over many years of living here contradicts your notions, aunque sin duda con tu comprensión karmica tan profunda, nos puede enseñar una u otra cosa.

    “Immanent justice. Nothing can stop it.”

    Be afraid, be very afraid. Better yet, take another toke and get yourself a chuño to signal your respect for the lost world of the Inca.

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    The concept of collective karma is about as Buddhist as a suburbanite dropping his slave name of Norman to call himself Kalateet.
     
    Indeed. Another whitecap on the Sea of Stupid.

    bodhisattva Pollyanna
     
    I like it. A little too kind, but I like it. :-)
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  20. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “Men I know have no desire to shoot anyone…”. Mmmm.

    Psychology tells us that there are two methods of changing a mammal’s behavior: conditioning and implanting a device in the brain.

    Conditioning takes a long time, requires controlling the environment and a schedule of rewards and punishments administered by a trained psychologist and consistent follow up work. It is expensive and results are not predictably reliable.

    Implanting, on the other hand, is quick, sure and cheap. A 160 grain pellet of lead implanted in the brain is guaranteed to permanently change behavior.

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  21. @tim s
    Neither Jesus nor Will Rogers ever met one of these hood rats. Too bad so many of us want to identify with either or both of those. Our ancestors would be terribly ashamed of their descendants, who let their house get so out of order.

    What now? Noone knows overall, but I'd imagine that many of those Fred knows who don't want to shoot will be changing their minds. Their children certainly won't be so restrained if this keeps up, and for all of the reasons Fred mentions, it shows no signs of letting up.

    The rioting over a justifiable (dare I say desireable) police shooting/killing in Milwaukee? Where are the riots over this burning outrage? Are we too "civilized"? Yes, I admit rioting would be beneath us. Are we too weak? Yes, but not that weak. Give it time....the scales are falling from peoples eyes at a rapid pace.

    It's also not just a black-white problem. NOBODY likes these rats.

    “Are we too weak?”

    Things will definitely change if those mobs do what that little splib bitch twat told the rioters in Milwaukee to do i.e. go burn down the white suburbs.

    But then again…

    There is a common refrain coming from the racial issues we face and it basically goes, “the showdown’s coming, the whites are going to go from a simmer to a full boil”. But I think maybe not. Whites, culturally and communally, are not capable of being homogenized. Meaning they simply do not mix into a cohesive, collective group. The Borg they will never be. They do not form actual neighborhoods with a collective communal mindset. White neighborhoods are simply a geographically specific collection of people with no sense of unity or interest in one another. Really no different than a stadium full of people. Proximity doesn’t make a community or a support system. The other races do seem to be able to come together and support each other and “take it to the streets”. Flawed as their reasoning might be when they do take issue they are nonetheless able to bond together collectively. Getting whites to reach critical mass is like expecting the south poles of two magnets to attract and bond. To quote a founding father, We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.

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    In general, I agree with much of what you say, but only to a certain extent. What you consider impossible I'd say will only be difficult. The difficulty will lie in overcoming the spiritual and mental weakness as a whole that comes from an extended period of a life of ease. Much of the western white world fits this description. Nothing like a life of struggle to refocus the mind on what is important, such as community & family, courage & commitment, and I think we all know that this is coming. Many of us feel this refocusing within ourselves, and see that is is happening among others of similar heritage.

    "Whites, culturally and communally, are not capable of being homogenized. Meaning they simply do not mix into a cohesive, collective group"

    Historically this statement is not accurate. There is no way that the western civilization could have been built like it has over the past few centuries if whites were incapable of cohesive, collective action and mindset. That doesn't mean we all hold hands and sing songs of unity, but we still got shit done, and maintained it very well with nothing other than our own initiative, individually and collectively. It was in our nature to take care of GOD, FAMILY & COMMUNITY, in that order. That mindset alone was sufficient to bind the people together, although they might have appeared to be individuals. The labor movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries shows that collective action among very large communities of modern western peoples for a distinct purpose is possible. When the pressure is really on and survival is in question, the large number of people who do still have some life left in their bones and blood will find community again. I doubt it will be a large percentage of them, but it will not be insignificant.

    That being said, it is not just a white thing. Where I am, there is a very large percentage of the population that is Hispanic. There is a very significant overlap between whites and Hispanics, both in culture and mindset. Regardless of what the media portrayal is, I see a great amount of respect between the two, and even admiration. There is already a strong cultural overlap by race mixing going back a long time. Northern Mexican culture has strong German influences, and these people for the most part integrate into the traditional white populations of the US very well. I'd say they are even a boon to an extent, since they still have some of the strengths of character that have whithered in the white population for reasons mentioned above as well as others.

    I quibble with the term "whites" in the 1st place, it being a bit too general a term. There's too much variety between the "white" cultures to group them together in that way. Regardless of what many people think, skin color is not the defining cultural distinction, although it is a good initial indicator.
    , @Anonymous
    I can't agree. Groups of whites certainly showed themselves capable of uprisings before -- the French Revolution and the Confederacy come to mind. Nor is there much evidence of effective groupthink among blacks or mestizos. Rhodesia sank into Hutu/Tsutsi genocide in short order, and the current condition of South Africa (not to say majority-black municipalities like Detroit) don't show much evidence of collective coordination.

    The problem with white response is not that there is none -- it's that the response of whites with enough funds and/or a good credit score is to head for the suburbs and beyond. It's the poor white minorities that take the worst brunt of it. The mystery is why upper class whites feel nothing for -- actively despise -- poor ones. And the answer may be that they are thinking in Leninist terms: "Better less, but better." The white-flight class is applying evolutionary pressure to their less productive brethren: get productive, or let feral blacks take you out of the reproductive game in the ugliest possible ways. And if the poorer whites in question are too dumb or passive to respond, better their genes not be passed on.

    The weakness of this strategy is that it's visceral, not conscious and deliberate. Its vanity assumes that bright whites like themselves will always hold the levers of power, and that future Supreme Courts led by Chief Justice Obama and Justices Lynch, Sharpton, DeRay and Holder will never Disparate Impact them out of existence. That numbers, in short, don't matter. Though they do.
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  22. @Anonymous
    What's the path forward?

    According to Pew about 1/4 of black male newlyweds in 2013 married white women or a different race. Most black men don't marry so this isn't representative of young blacks in America but shows an unmistakably rising trend towards race mixing between whites and blacks.

    With enough time (over 100 years) American blacks will be absorbed into white America through interracial marriage and dating.

    Caribbean blacks have already been absorbed into the white majority in the UK. Hardly any young full blooded Caribbean children in the UK anymore. That only took 2 generations.

    At what point were Caribbean blacks 13-15% of the population of the United Kingdom, and how was a figure this large so easily absorbed without consequences?

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    Black Caribbeans are probably not more than 1-2% of the UK but are maybe 5%+ of London where they are mostly concentrated. So it is possible to absorb a sizable black minority in a short time. The consequences weren't grave rather it paved the way for the disappearance of Black Caribbeans from the racial grievance scene. Muslims have filled that void in the UK.
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  23. What now?

    Not right now, but in a few years.

    Zika Is Just the First Front in the 21st-Century Biowar

    Why a new era of synthetic biology could make the dangers of the atomic age seem quaint.

    There are many national security challenges facing the United States, but too often our focus is exclusively on threats from terrorism, geopolitics and cyberattacks. As the country confronts the arrival of the Zika virus and contemplates travel bans to Miami, it’s time to have an adult conversation about the threats posed by biology.

    “…efficient genome editing using CRISPR-Cas, a technology that has become widely available to ever smaller laboratory settings, including individuals working out of their homes.”

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/08/24/zika-is-just-the-first-front-in-the-21st-century-biowar/?wp_login_redirect=0

    When the bugs get loose there will be a limited supply of medicines to fight them. I would not want to live in or near the ghetto or in any of the crowded cities of the world.

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  24. joef says:
    @SamG
    The racial tension in the US is a manifestation of immanent justice (karma). Slavery created a traumatized and deracinated human being and a culture that prolongs it--rather analogous to certain pathologies one observes in Latin America among meztizos as a consequence of the Conquista. The indigenous peoples there are not assimilable either, and neither are the North American indigenous people assimilable--they refer to "apples" (those who are red outside but white inside). At bottom they, like most Black people, are not interested in assimilating, as Reed observes, save exceptionally. Frankly, more and more white people are detesting the current "culture" as well.

    As Fred observes, there is no "solution." The US will suffer the consequences of the Indian genocide as well as of the Black slavery. The first "choc en retour" was the US civil war. Much more is coming. Immanent justice. Nothing can stop it.

    What karma are you talking about? Who alive today ever owned a slave? What afro american today (or their great grand parents) were ever a slave? Answer to all these questions is none!!

    The afro american inability to defer gratification and work hard for succeeding generations is exclusively their problem. Their rant for reparations for slavery does not recognize the fact that it was already given to them through the loss of 600,000 lives in the Civil War to set them free.
    In addition we have been giving them ever increasing entitlements & affirmative action, while reducing their personal responsibility, for the last 50 years. And in these last 50 years the problem only gets worse with afro american entitlements being the main economic burden on this country. At least if they were thankful it would be somewhat tolerable, instead we get constant complaining.

    Yes I agree there will be immanent justice if it falls apart and the radical afro americans get their desired race war. But without the rule of law to protect the radical afro americans from acts of self defense (by calling acts of self defense, against afro american perps, ‘racism’, which results in the prosecution of the defender); coupled with their inability to be self sufficient (they cannot survive without handouts), it will go very bad for them.

    The rest of us did not want this outcome. Its the ghetto radical afro american, along with their leftist handlers, who are pushing for this (enabled by ignorant whites who want to be fashionable liberals). But be careful what you wish for.

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    Indeed.

    I'd be interested in some sort of comparative analysis based on how many slaves there ever were pre-1865, how much the wealth generated would be worth in current dollars, etc. The colonies went from a standing start in 1608 to wealthy for their time in 1776. Slavery was a part of that, though so was the effort of the majority white settler population farming, fishing, milling, and building a commercial economy. On the other hand the US has generated much more wealth since 1865 than before it. So what was the slave contribution worth in 2016 US dollars, and what fraction does that represent of the wealth of the US today? And how does it compare to all those subsequent transfers, wasted education dollars, etc?

    And how does the abuse of slaves compare to the dead of the civil war? How much blood drawn with the lash was there, and how much of it was already paid by the complete exsanguination of over half a million white Americans in 4 short years?
    , @Durruti
    Your knowledge and understanding of history is exceedingly weak.

    "the loss of 600,000 lives in the Civil War to set them free."

    In America's Civil War, 250,000 supporters of the Confederacy, and supporters of the institution of Slavery, died. And 350,000 opponents of succession (supporters of the unity of the USA), some of whom also opposed the practice of Slavery, died.

    You also fail to acknowledge that 100,000 African Americans served in the Union armies (hastily recruited and serving at half pay - they participated in much front line fighting).

    You fail to mention:

    1. African slaves worked 300 years without pay.

    2. They were refused permission to form families or Marry.

    3. They were not allowed to join established churches.

    4. And it was a capital offense (look that up), for a slave to learn, or for someone to teach a slave to read and write (basic literacy).

    5. You fail to note that Africans brought in chains to America were denied the rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, enshrined in our Declaration of Independence.

    At the end of the Civil War,the Republican party favored the awarding of 40 acres and a mule, and 1 years credit to freed slaves who would form family units. This reasonable suggestion was beaten down in Congress by, the assassination of JF Kennedy - er President Abraham Lincoln, the Republican Party leader, and a coalition of Democratic Party reactionaries.

    Reparations for African Americans, would be as creative an idea as that of re-industrializing America, and restoring our Republic (assassinated on November 22, 1963.

    Joef, I question your IQ. It appears to be quite low. Do some reading. Search your conscience.
    At least you care enough - to participate on this excellent forum.
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  25. @SamG
    The racial tension in the US is a manifestation of immanent justice (karma). Slavery created a traumatized and deracinated human being and a culture that prolongs it--rather analogous to certain pathologies one observes in Latin America among meztizos as a consequence of the Conquista. The indigenous peoples there are not assimilable either, and neither are the North American indigenous people assimilable--they refer to "apples" (those who are red outside but white inside). At bottom they, like most Black people, are not interested in assimilating, as Reed observes, save exceptionally. Frankly, more and more white people are detesting the current "culture" as well.

    As Fred observes, there is no "solution." The US will suffer the consequences of the Indian genocide as well as of the Black slavery. The first "choc en retour" was the US civil war. Much more is coming. Immanent justice. Nothing can stop it.

    I’m not sure how the civil war applies, inasmuch as it was entirely an artifact of political and moral philosophy developed only by whites and affecting only whites. Do suicidal cultural tendencies really count as karma when no outside cosmic force is in evidence?

    Not that I would mind seeing the ensuing Indian-Black struggle for the continent. If the Indians are really going to be sticklers for their rights, why should they put up with any imported population?

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  26. @joef
    What karma are you talking about? Who alive today ever owned a slave? What afro american today (or their great grand parents) were ever a slave? Answer to all these questions is none!!

    The afro american inability to defer gratification and work hard for succeeding generations is exclusively their problem. Their rant for reparations for slavery does not recognize the fact that it was already given to them through the loss of 600,000 lives in the Civil War to set them free.
    In addition we have been giving them ever increasing entitlements & affirmative action, while reducing their personal responsibility, for the last 50 years. And in these last 50 years the problem only gets worse with afro american entitlements being the main economic burden on this country. At least if they were thankful it would be somewhat tolerable, instead we get constant complaining.

    Yes I agree there will be immanent justice if it falls apart and the radical afro americans get their desired race war. But without the rule of law to protect the radical afro americans from acts of self defense (by calling acts of self defense, against afro american perps, 'racism', which results in the prosecution of the defender); coupled with their inability to be self sufficient (they cannot survive without handouts), it will go very bad for them.

    The rest of us did not want this outcome. Its the ghetto radical afro american, along with their leftist handlers, who are pushing for this (enabled by ignorant whites who want to be fashionable liberals). But be careful what you wish for.

    Indeed.

    I’d be interested in some sort of comparative analysis based on how many slaves there ever were pre-1865, how much the wealth generated would be worth in current dollars, etc. The colonies went from a standing start in 1608 to wealthy for their time in 1776. Slavery was a part of that, though so was the effort of the majority white settler population farming, fishing, milling, and building a commercial economy. On the other hand the US has generated much more wealth since 1865 than before it. So what was the slave contribution worth in 2016 US dollars, and what fraction does that represent of the wealth of the US today? And how does it compare to all those subsequent transfers, wasted education dollars, etc?

    And how does the abuse of slaves compare to the dead of the civil war? How much blood drawn with the lash was there, and how much of it was already paid by the complete exsanguination of over half a million white Americans in 4 short years?

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    Slavery was mostly involved with southern agriculture, not northern manufacturing, which has more to thank to Hamilton than anything else.
    Being maimed and killed in the Civil War is by far a worse individual outcome than a lash. Many who did suffer death and maiming by the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery (with exception of those who believe in the nonsense about collective guilt). The Civil War veterans sacrificed their lives to free the slaves, therefor reparations have been paid. Further the current afro americans were never slaves, and should have no claim for reparations anyway; as well as no American citizen today was ever a slave owner thus are not responsible to pay for such reparations (especially since many of their ancestors immigrated after the Civil War).
    , @John Jeremiah Smith

    So what was the slave contribution worth in 2016 US dollars, and what fraction does that represent of the wealth of the US today? And how does it compare to all those subsequent transfers, wasted education dollars, etc?
     
    Don't let your common sense allow you to be dragged into the irrelevant. It makes no difference at all what the slaves produced; there is NO entitlement extending into the present. That is a false premise, based on group identity, not on the basic Constitutional premises of America, which define individual rights and responsibilities.

    There have been no slaves since 1865. No person alive today was a slave; no person alive today is entitled, in any way, shape or form, to compensatory damages or privilege.
    , @Stan d Mute

    I’d be interested in some sort of comparative analysis based on how many slaves there ever were pre-1865, how much the wealth generated would be worth in current dollars, etc.
     
    Indeed. And therein lies a subject I've been raising for decades while the elites and their nappy haired pets studiously ignore it.

    African slaves were farm labor in the south. As such, their "worth" in wages must be compared to what their owners provided them. In exchange for their labor, the Africans received food, clothing, housing, and healthcare - all of which was enormously better than what was available to them back in western sub-Saharan Africa. Slaves, particularly the African ones with resistance to malaria and well adapted for labor in high heat and humidity, were quite expensive. So it was very much in the interest of plantation owners and managers to keep their slaves healthy and relatively happy (enough to be docile). Many slaves were manumitted upon passing of their owners and more than a few former slaves ended up owning plantations and slaves of their own. So in economic terms, what was the difference between what the Africans were given and what they might have kept as discretionary income had they been free laborers. I think most people would be shocked to learn just how little that sum would have been. Given the number of free laborers who were eager to work just for food and shelter, the Africans would have done well to have an extra $1/week after expenses.

    On the other side of the scale is the social cost of the free negro in America. What is the economic value of all the crime they've committed since 1865? Public health costs of this low IQ population that cannot understand germ theory of disease and even to this day carries communicable diseases at a high multiple of the white population? Direct transfer payments such as food stamps, subsidized housing? Cost of attempting to educate the negro to white standards? Opportunity costs to all the whites forced to flee from multi-generational investments in real estate (white flight). And this all barely scratches the surface, yet one can already see Trillions of dollars white Americans have paid, are still paying, and will continue paying ad infinitum.

    And of course we've not even mentioned complications like the Africans who were free and owned slaves, from whom do think reparations are due? What do the negroes owe the descendants of Yankees who fought, bled, and died to procure abolition of slavery for the Africans. And what are we to think of the freed slaves who were offered a free trip back to Africa and their very own nation under protection and subsidy of America, but refused to go (or they went and saw how bad life was in Africa and returned to America as soon as they could?

    As in most things, the negro has a vastly inflated and false impression of his own value both historically and currently. "We built this country" is a refrain heard constantly. The reality is far different however and I expect upon full accounting we would see the negro owes the Treasury enormous sums far beyond their ability to earn.
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  27. tim s says:
    @Seoulsurvivor
    "Are we too weak?"

    Things will definitely change if those mobs do what that little splib bitch twat told the rioters in Milwaukee to do i.e. go burn down the white suburbs.

    But then again...

    There is a common refrain coming from the racial issues we face and it basically goes, “the showdown’s coming, the whites are going to go from a simmer to a full boil”. But I think maybe not. Whites, culturally and communally, are not capable of being homogenized. Meaning they simply do not mix into a cohesive, collective group. The Borg they will never be. They do not form actual neighborhoods with a collective communal mindset. White neighborhoods are simply a geographically specific collection of people with no sense of unity or interest in one another. Really no different than a stadium full of people. Proximity doesn’t make a community or a support system. The other races do seem to be able to come together and support each other and “take it to the streets”. Flawed as their reasoning might be when they do take issue they are nonetheless able to bond together collectively. Getting whites to reach critical mass is like expecting the south poles of two magnets to attract and bond. To quote a founding father, We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.

    In general, I agree with much of what you say, but only to a certain extent. What you consider impossible I’d say will only be difficult. The difficulty will lie in overcoming the spiritual and mental weakness as a whole that comes from an extended period of a life of ease. Much of the western white world fits this description. Nothing like a life of struggle to refocus the mind on what is important, such as community & family, courage & commitment, and I think we all know that this is coming. Many of us feel this refocusing within ourselves, and see that is is happening among others of similar heritage.

    “Whites, culturally and communally, are not capable of being homogenized. Meaning they simply do not mix into a cohesive, collective group”

    Historically this statement is not accurate. There is no way that the western civilization could have been built like it has over the past few centuries if whites were incapable of cohesive, collective action and mindset. That doesn’t mean we all hold hands and sing songs of unity, but we still got shit done, and maintained it very well with nothing other than our own initiative, individually and collectively. It was in our nature to take care of GOD, FAMILY & COMMUNITY, in that order. That mindset alone was sufficient to bind the people together, although they might have appeared to be individuals. The labor movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries shows that collective action among very large communities of modern western peoples for a distinct purpose is possible. When the pressure is really on and survival is in question, the large number of people who do still have some life left in their bones and blood will find community again. I doubt it will be a large percentage of them, but it will not be insignificant.

    That being said, it is not just a white thing. Where I am, there is a very large percentage of the population that is Hispanic. There is a very significant overlap between whites and Hispanics, both in culture and mindset. Regardless of what the media portrayal is, I see a great amount of respect between the two, and even admiration. There is already a strong cultural overlap by race mixing going back a long time. Northern Mexican culture has strong German influences, and these people for the most part integrate into the traditional white populations of the US very well. I’d say they are even a boon to an extent, since they still have some of the strengths of character that have whithered in the white population for reasons mentioned above as well as others.

    I quibble with the term “whites” in the 1st place, it being a bit too general a term. There’s too much variety between the “white” cultures to group them together in that way. Regardless of what many people think, skin color is not the defining cultural distinction, although it is a good initial indicator.

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    "Historically this statement is not accurate."

    I agree. But that is historically, i.e. in the past. Most everything that has been accomplished or invented that allows for the comforts that mankind enjoys is mostly compliments of the white race. And in the past I would say that things were simply different in regards to the grit and fortitude that was needed to pioneer and push forward. I just don't see that in the white community today. Too soft and too much to lose if they "took to the streets". And where it seems that law enforcement hangs back during these outbursts by rioting blacks if the same thing were attempted by whites well the police would be all over them like wet on water.
    , @Ed
    I agree which is one major reason why TX is still stubbornly GOP.

    I will say though that the most recent migration is from the more Indian segment of Mexican & Central American society. So there is a real risk of ghettoization, still I don't see them getting as depraved as blacks.
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  28. Marcus says:
    @SamG
    The racial tension in the US is a manifestation of immanent justice (karma). Slavery created a traumatized and deracinated human being and a culture that prolongs it--rather analogous to certain pathologies one observes in Latin America among meztizos as a consequence of the Conquista. The indigenous peoples there are not assimilable either, and neither are the North American indigenous people assimilable--they refer to "apples" (those who are red outside but white inside). At bottom they, like most Black people, are not interested in assimilating, as Reed observes, save exceptionally. Frankly, more and more white people are detesting the current "culture" as well.

    As Fred observes, there is no "solution." The US will suffer the consequences of the Indian genocide as well as of the Black slavery. The first "choc en retour" was the US civil war. Much more is coming. Immanent justice. Nothing can stop it.

    What karma is coming to Africa, where slavery was never really abolished, only suppressed by European colonists?

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    @Seoulsurvivor
    "Are we too weak?"

    Things will definitely change if those mobs do what that little splib bitch twat told the rioters in Milwaukee to do i.e. go burn down the white suburbs.

    But then again...

    There is a common refrain coming from the racial issues we face and it basically goes, “the showdown’s coming, the whites are going to go from a simmer to a full boil”. But I think maybe not. Whites, culturally and communally, are not capable of being homogenized. Meaning they simply do not mix into a cohesive, collective group. The Borg they will never be. They do not form actual neighborhoods with a collective communal mindset. White neighborhoods are simply a geographically specific collection of people with no sense of unity or interest in one another. Really no different than a stadium full of people. Proximity doesn’t make a community or a support system. The other races do seem to be able to come together and support each other and “take it to the streets”. Flawed as their reasoning might be when they do take issue they are nonetheless able to bond together collectively. Getting whites to reach critical mass is like expecting the south poles of two magnets to attract and bond. To quote a founding father, We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.

    I can’t agree. Groups of whites certainly showed themselves capable of uprisings before — the French Revolution and the Confederacy come to mind. Nor is there much evidence of effective groupthink among blacks or mestizos. Rhodesia sank into Hutu/Tsutsi genocide in short order, and the current condition of South Africa (not to say majority-black municipalities like Detroit) don’t show much evidence of collective coordination.

    The problem with white response is not that there is none — it’s that the response of whites with enough funds and/or a good credit score is to head for the suburbs and beyond. It’s the poor white minorities that take the worst brunt of it. The mystery is why upper class whites feel nothing for — actively despise — poor ones. And the answer may be that they are thinking in Leninist terms: “Better less, but better.” The white-flight class is applying evolutionary pressure to their less productive brethren: get productive, or let feral blacks take you out of the reproductive game in the ugliest possible ways. And if the poorer whites in question are too dumb or passive to respond, better their genes not be passed on.

    The weakness of this strategy is that it’s visceral, not conscious and deliberate. Its vanity assumes that bright whites like themselves will always hold the levers of power, and that future Supreme Courts led by Chief Justice Obama and Justices Lynch, Sharpton, DeRay and Holder will never Disparate Impact them out of existence. That numbers, in short, don’t matter. Though they do.

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    Nor is there much evidence of effective groupthink among blacks or mestizos.
     
    Are there some distinctions you would make? Groupthink among blacks has produced a universal POV in American blacks that De White Man Be Keeping Dem Down, dat dey be victims in perpetuity, entitled to unlimited restitution and Affirmative Bias, dat BLM, dat dere be sich thing as NAACP, etc.

    All that stuff is eminently "groupthink" product.
    , @Seoulsurvivor
    "The mystery is why upper class whites feel nothing for — actively despise — poor ones."

    Like I said, no sense of shared commitment, responsibility or care towards each other in a white community. I got mine and I hope you can get yours too but don't expect help.
    , @Druid
    Read some. Former Rhodesia is not the land of the Hutu and Tutsi.
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  30. @Montefrío
    Namaste, Sam, devotee of the bodhisattva Pollyanna. The concept of collective karma is about as Buddhist as a suburbanite dropping his slave name of Norman to call himself Kalateet. I live in Latin (South) America and I'm afraid what I've observed over many years of living here contradicts your notions, aunque sin duda con tu comprensión karmica tan profunda, nos puede enseñar una u otra cosa.

    "Immanent justice. Nothing can stop it."

    Be afraid, be very afraid. Better yet, take another toke and get yourself a chuño to signal your respect for the lost world of the Inca.

    The concept of collective karma is about as Buddhist as a suburbanite dropping his slave name of Norman to call himself Kalateet.

    Indeed. Another whitecap on the Sea of Stupid.

    bodhisattva Pollyanna

    I like it. A little too kind, but I like it. :-)

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  31. @Anonymous
    I can't agree. Groups of whites certainly showed themselves capable of uprisings before -- the French Revolution and the Confederacy come to mind. Nor is there much evidence of effective groupthink among blacks or mestizos. Rhodesia sank into Hutu/Tsutsi genocide in short order, and the current condition of South Africa (not to say majority-black municipalities like Detroit) don't show much evidence of collective coordination.

    The problem with white response is not that there is none -- it's that the response of whites with enough funds and/or a good credit score is to head for the suburbs and beyond. It's the poor white minorities that take the worst brunt of it. The mystery is why upper class whites feel nothing for -- actively despise -- poor ones. And the answer may be that they are thinking in Leninist terms: "Better less, but better." The white-flight class is applying evolutionary pressure to their less productive brethren: get productive, or let feral blacks take you out of the reproductive game in the ugliest possible ways. And if the poorer whites in question are too dumb or passive to respond, better their genes not be passed on.

    The weakness of this strategy is that it's visceral, not conscious and deliberate. Its vanity assumes that bright whites like themselves will always hold the levers of power, and that future Supreme Courts led by Chief Justice Obama and Justices Lynch, Sharpton, DeRay and Holder will never Disparate Impact them out of existence. That numbers, in short, don't matter. Though they do.

    Nor is there much evidence of effective groupthink among blacks or mestizos.

    Are there some distinctions you would make? Groupthink among blacks has produced a universal POV in American blacks that De White Man Be Keeping Dem Down, dat dey be victims in perpetuity, entitled to unlimited restitution and Affirmative Bias, dat BLM, dat dere be sich thing as NAACP, etc.

    All that stuff is eminently “groupthink” product.

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  32. joef says:
    @random observer
    Indeed.

    I'd be interested in some sort of comparative analysis based on how many slaves there ever were pre-1865, how much the wealth generated would be worth in current dollars, etc. The colonies went from a standing start in 1608 to wealthy for their time in 1776. Slavery was a part of that, though so was the effort of the majority white settler population farming, fishing, milling, and building a commercial economy. On the other hand the US has generated much more wealth since 1865 than before it. So what was the slave contribution worth in 2016 US dollars, and what fraction does that represent of the wealth of the US today? And how does it compare to all those subsequent transfers, wasted education dollars, etc?

    And how does the abuse of slaves compare to the dead of the civil war? How much blood drawn with the lash was there, and how much of it was already paid by the complete exsanguination of over half a million white Americans in 4 short years?

    Slavery was mostly involved with southern agriculture, not northern manufacturing, which has more to thank to Hamilton than anything else.
    Being maimed and killed in the Civil War is by far a worse individual outcome than a lash. Many who did suffer death and maiming by the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery (with exception of those who believe in the nonsense about collective guilt). The Civil War veterans sacrificed their lives to free the slaves, therefor reparations have been paid. Further the current afro americans were never slaves, and should have no claim for reparations anyway; as well as no American citizen today was ever a slave owner thus are not responsible to pay for such reparations (especially since many of their ancestors immigrated after the Civil War).

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    The Civil War veterans sacrificed their lives to free the slaves,
     
    For most of them this is wrong. The War of Northern Aggression was fought over Lincoln's desire to keep the wealth of the South flowing north to support Yankee industry. Lincoln went to war to keep the custom house in Charleston Harbor open, not to free the slaves. Freeing the slaves was a wartime ploy to keep the British and French from coming in to help the Confederate States.
    , @Ghost
    Bravo. True.
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  33. @random observer
    Indeed.

    I'd be interested in some sort of comparative analysis based on how many slaves there ever were pre-1865, how much the wealth generated would be worth in current dollars, etc. The colonies went from a standing start in 1608 to wealthy for their time in 1776. Slavery was a part of that, though so was the effort of the majority white settler population farming, fishing, milling, and building a commercial economy. On the other hand the US has generated much more wealth since 1865 than before it. So what was the slave contribution worth in 2016 US dollars, and what fraction does that represent of the wealth of the US today? And how does it compare to all those subsequent transfers, wasted education dollars, etc?

    And how does the abuse of slaves compare to the dead of the civil war? How much blood drawn with the lash was there, and how much of it was already paid by the complete exsanguination of over half a million white Americans in 4 short years?

    So what was the slave contribution worth in 2016 US dollars, and what fraction does that represent of the wealth of the US today? And how does it compare to all those subsequent transfers, wasted education dollars, etc?

    Don’t let your common sense allow you to be dragged into the irrelevant. It makes no difference at all what the slaves produced; there is NO entitlement extending into the present. That is a false premise, based on group identity, not on the basic Constitutional premises of America, which define individual rights and responsibilities.

    There have been no slaves since 1865. No person alive today was a slave; no person alive today is entitled, in any way, shape or form, to compensatory damages or privilege.

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  34. woodNfish says:
    @MarkinPNW
    Wasn't it the Moynihan Report from 1965 that laid out how welfare policies would aggravate and worsen the stability of black families by having the government, through welfare programs for single mothers, replace the role of black males as protectors and providers of their families?

    Yes, and Reed ignores the government’s and the democratic party’s hand in helping to destroy the black community. Some black leaders like MLK and the racist Farrakhan have told blacks they need strong families, but blacks are inherently lazy niggers.

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    Hey, Fish, I getcha, but to be fair, Fred doesn't argue or ignore the how and why. His gig is, "What now?". Argue how Blacks got to be Blacks as they are today as you will, that doesn't matter. We're here, they are there. Now what? The horrible question for us today is "What next?" Arguing how we got here, from there, allows you to avoid the horrible question.
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  35. pyrrhus says:
    @SamG
    The racial tension in the US is a manifestation of immanent justice (karma). Slavery created a traumatized and deracinated human being and a culture that prolongs it--rather analogous to certain pathologies one observes in Latin America among meztizos as a consequence of the Conquista. The indigenous peoples there are not assimilable either, and neither are the North American indigenous people assimilable--they refer to "apples" (those who are red outside but white inside). At bottom they, like most Black people, are not interested in assimilating, as Reed observes, save exceptionally. Frankly, more and more white people are detesting the current "culture" as well.

    As Fred observes, there is no "solution." The US will suffer the consequences of the Indian genocide as well as of the Black slavery. The first "choc en retour" was the US civil war. Much more is coming. Immanent justice. Nothing can stop it.

    Pretty hilarious, given that the Indians and (fill in the blank with any group) got the land by pushing out or genociding the people who were there before them. For example, the Early European Farmers were virtually wiped out by the northern peoples who came after them…and what is the karmic position of the African tribes who sold (and still sell) their own people into slavery?

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    Don't you know that the "Native Americans" crossed the land bridge in an organized fashion and systematically allocated the newly found lands of N.A. , by democratic decree? They were a peaceful enlightened people until the European invaders came.

    The suckers that got Patagonia just had the bad luck of the draw and they are in the Southern tip of South America not because they were pushed there after thousands of years of warfare, but only because they held a referendum and chose to go to that cold, harsh land.
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  36. @Anonymous
    And you posted a typically useless response.

    “And you posted a typically useless response.”

    He did so with good reason. Rationally engaging with an idiot is like trying to perfume a pig, the pig gets annoyed and you end up covered in sweat and pig shit. Schiller put it best: “gegen Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens”.

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  37. Eternal Black racism is part of the larger scheme labeled diversity, a professional victim cult fully endorsed by the US democrat party, neocons, Jewish media, and the US federal government.

    The professional victim cult exists because it’s patronizing influence is a never-ending federal government program.

    Blacks know they can trade their votes for federal entitlements, and they know that their rioting and looting will be rewarded by the federals.

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  38. @tim s
    In general, I agree with much of what you say, but only to a certain extent. What you consider impossible I'd say will only be difficult. The difficulty will lie in overcoming the spiritual and mental weakness as a whole that comes from an extended period of a life of ease. Much of the western white world fits this description. Nothing like a life of struggle to refocus the mind on what is important, such as community & family, courage & commitment, and I think we all know that this is coming. Many of us feel this refocusing within ourselves, and see that is is happening among others of similar heritage.

    "Whites, culturally and communally, are not capable of being homogenized. Meaning they simply do not mix into a cohesive, collective group"

    Historically this statement is not accurate. There is no way that the western civilization could have been built like it has over the past few centuries if whites were incapable of cohesive, collective action and mindset. That doesn't mean we all hold hands and sing songs of unity, but we still got shit done, and maintained it very well with nothing other than our own initiative, individually and collectively. It was in our nature to take care of GOD, FAMILY & COMMUNITY, in that order. That mindset alone was sufficient to bind the people together, although they might have appeared to be individuals. The labor movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries shows that collective action among very large communities of modern western peoples for a distinct purpose is possible. When the pressure is really on and survival is in question, the large number of people who do still have some life left in their bones and blood will find community again. I doubt it will be a large percentage of them, but it will not be insignificant.

    That being said, it is not just a white thing. Where I am, there is a very large percentage of the population that is Hispanic. There is a very significant overlap between whites and Hispanics, both in culture and mindset. Regardless of what the media portrayal is, I see a great amount of respect between the two, and even admiration. There is already a strong cultural overlap by race mixing going back a long time. Northern Mexican culture has strong German influences, and these people for the most part integrate into the traditional white populations of the US very well. I'd say they are even a boon to an extent, since they still have some of the strengths of character that have whithered in the white population for reasons mentioned above as well as others.

    I quibble with the term "whites" in the 1st place, it being a bit too general a term. There's too much variety between the "white" cultures to group them together in that way. Regardless of what many people think, skin color is not the defining cultural distinction, although it is a good initial indicator.

    “Historically this statement is not accurate.”

    I agree. But that is historically, i.e. in the past. Most everything that has been accomplished or invented that allows for the comforts that mankind enjoys is mostly compliments of the white race. And in the past I would say that things were simply different in regards to the grit and fortitude that was needed to pioneer and push forward. I just don’t see that in the white community today. Too soft and too much to lose if they “took to the streets”. And where it seems that law enforcement hangs back during these outbursts by rioting blacks if the same thing were attempted by whites well the police would be all over them like wet on water.

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    That past was not that long ago, and deep down these people are still basically the same as their ancestors. I wouldn't count them out so easily. You may be right, but it is not over until it is over, and the only thing that may be nearly over is the powder-puff easy living that many of us have grown up with. There is very little that is as corrosive to a healthy community over time as a life that is too easy. Difficulty in life makes for hardier people, and stupidity cannot propagate as well.

    Your description of the soft whites seems most applicable to the 9-5 suburbanites with typical mainstream habits & entertainment preferences. There are a good number of whites who don't fit that description. I know many of them, and their knowledge and skills are impressive.
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  39. @Anonymous
    I can't agree. Groups of whites certainly showed themselves capable of uprisings before -- the French Revolution and the Confederacy come to mind. Nor is there much evidence of effective groupthink among blacks or mestizos. Rhodesia sank into Hutu/Tsutsi genocide in short order, and the current condition of South Africa (not to say majority-black municipalities like Detroit) don't show much evidence of collective coordination.

    The problem with white response is not that there is none -- it's that the response of whites with enough funds and/or a good credit score is to head for the suburbs and beyond. It's the poor white minorities that take the worst brunt of it. The mystery is why upper class whites feel nothing for -- actively despise -- poor ones. And the answer may be that they are thinking in Leninist terms: "Better less, but better." The white-flight class is applying evolutionary pressure to their less productive brethren: get productive, or let feral blacks take you out of the reproductive game in the ugliest possible ways. And if the poorer whites in question are too dumb or passive to respond, better their genes not be passed on.

    The weakness of this strategy is that it's visceral, not conscious and deliberate. Its vanity assumes that bright whites like themselves will always hold the levers of power, and that future Supreme Courts led by Chief Justice Obama and Justices Lynch, Sharpton, DeRay and Holder will never Disparate Impact them out of existence. That numbers, in short, don't matter. Though they do.

    “The mystery is why upper class whites feel nothing for — actively despise — poor ones.”

    Like I said, no sense of shared commitment, responsibility or care towards each other in a white community. I got mine and I hope you can get yours too but don’t expect help.

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  40. @SamG
    The racial tension in the US is a manifestation of immanent justice (karma). Slavery created a traumatized and deracinated human being and a culture that prolongs it--rather analogous to certain pathologies one observes in Latin America among meztizos as a consequence of the Conquista. The indigenous peoples there are not assimilable either, and neither are the North American indigenous people assimilable--they refer to "apples" (those who are red outside but white inside). At bottom they, like most Black people, are not interested in assimilating, as Reed observes, save exceptionally. Frankly, more and more white people are detesting the current "culture" as well.

    As Fred observes, there is no "solution." The US will suffer the consequences of the Indian genocide as well as of the Black slavery. The first "choc en retour" was the US civil war. Much more is coming. Immanent justice. Nothing can stop it.

    Blacks were never close to a majority in America, so it’s mathematically impossible for most whites to have owned black slaves. At the peak of black slavery in the South, only 6 percent of Southern whites owned slaves. If you include the white people in the North, it means that only 1.4 percent of white Americans owned black slaves at the HEIGHT of slavery.

    An estimated 3,000 blacks owned a total of 20,000 black slaves in the year 1860. One study concluded that 28 percent of free blacks owned slaves, which is a far higher percentage than that of free whites who owned slaves.

    Although your textbooks are silent about it, most historians agree that two-thirds of ALL whites came to the colonies in some form of bondage. Legal papers on both sides of the ocean referred to them as “slaves.” White slaves outnumbered black slaves in America throughout the 1600s.

    Hundreds of thousands of white slaves were kidnapped and brought to America; their middle-passage death rates were comparable to those of black slaves; they were sold at auction and traded for livestock, they were routinely beaten—sometimes to death—and an estimated one half of them died before gaining freedom. It’s possible that more whites came to America against their will than blacks. Historians from both ends of the political spectrum say that white slaves were treated worse than black slaves.

    American blacks enjoy the highest standard of living of any black population on earth. Their average per capita income is TWENTY to FIFTY times higher than in any of the African countries from where they were displaced. It’s true that part of America’s wealth was built on black slavery; it is also true that American blacks are enjoying the fruits of that wealth. You, fair child, whether you were born black or white, weren’t born in debt to anyone. You were born free. Don’t let the bad people take it away from you.

    No, kids—the blacks, Arabs, and Jews were involved, too.
    • BLACKS: The president of an African country called Benin recently apologized to American blacks for his country’s role in the slave trade. Slavery was common throughout Africa, with entire tribes becoming enslaved after losing battles. Tribal chieftains often sold their defeated foes to white slave-traders. In the late 1700s, a freed black American slave named Ottobah Cugoano wrote, “I was first kidnapped and betrayed by my own complexion, who were the first cause of my exile and slavery.”
    • ARABS: The word “Abed” means “slave” in Arabic. It also means “black.” The “Holy Land” of the Middle East has hosted far more African slaves than North America ever did.
    • JEWS: The oldest synagogue in America was built by Aaron Lopez, a Jewish slave trader. Jewish writers such as Cecil Roth, Wilfred Samuels, Seymour B. Liebman, and Moshe Kahan acknowledge that Jews were involved in all levels of the African slave trade.
    In fact, children, white Christians were the first group to make a concerted effort to ABOLISH slavery.

    http://www.vice.com/read/hey-v12n5

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    ...white Christians were the first group to make a concerted effort to ABOLISH slavery.
     
    True, it was an English Quaker in Britain. Not sure who it was in France, but here's the thing. Neither of those countries went to war over it. What we have today is Lincoln's fault because he was willing to economically ruin the South rather than veto the legislation immediately freeing the slaves. The South probably would have gone along with it if it was given time to adapt, it wasn't.

    After the war, after being saddled with Northern "reconstruction" the southern democratic party created the KKK, Jim Crowe, poll taxes, segregation, etc. Plenty of that was because of the suffering the South was put to for Lincoln making the war of secession about slavery rather than secession as it was really about. To my knowledge Britain and France never went through any of that. So what we have today is the butcher Lincoln's fault, but he is celebrated as our greatest president when we should really be pissing on his grave.
    , @Truth
    At the peak of black slavery in the South, only 6 percent of Southern whites owned slaves. If you include the white people in the North, it means that only 1.4 percent of white Americans owned black slaves at the HEIGHT of slavery.


    Six percent of southern white PEOPLE, %33 of southern white FAMILIES, Grasshopper, and in the lower south, almost HALF:

    http://civilwarcauses.org/stat.htm
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  41. tim s says:
    @Seoulsurvivor
    "Historically this statement is not accurate."

    I agree. But that is historically, i.e. in the past. Most everything that has been accomplished or invented that allows for the comforts that mankind enjoys is mostly compliments of the white race. And in the past I would say that things were simply different in regards to the grit and fortitude that was needed to pioneer and push forward. I just don't see that in the white community today. Too soft and too much to lose if they "took to the streets". And where it seems that law enforcement hangs back during these outbursts by rioting blacks if the same thing were attempted by whites well the police would be all over them like wet on water.

    That past was not that long ago, and deep down these people are still basically the same as their ancestors. I wouldn’t count them out so easily. You may be right, but it is not over until it is over, and the only thing that may be nearly over is the powder-puff easy living that many of us have grown up with. There is very little that is as corrosive to a healthy community over time as a life that is too easy. Difficulty in life makes for hardier people, and stupidity cannot propagate as well.

    Your description of the soft whites seems most applicable to the 9-5 suburbanites with typical mainstream habits & entertainment preferences. There are a good number of whites who don’t fit that description. I know many of them, and their knowledge and skills are impressive.

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    You are correct. Sprinkled in with the soft-Whites are some Hard-Whites with guns, with certain skills, in the DC region, in Virginia particularly, intel/military types. Fair number up here in the Boston region, throughout New England, actually. New England would actually be pretty conservative without the academics of Boston's "higher" education population. And in Virginia, in New Hampshire, Vermont, a fairly substantial band of Hard-Whites exist of the redneck variety, also possessed of guns and the will, if necessary. Communities even if reduced to subdivisions will protect their own, I think and will scarcely bat an eye to cops that take care of roaming outsiders, even if Black. Things unthinkable become acceptable when the threat is to YOU.

    Witness the walls the rich add to their properties. They know what's what.
    , @Seoulsurvivor
    "There is very little that is as corrosive to a healthy community over time as a life that is too easy."

    Very true. Like muscles that atrophy due to non-use so can your git er done and get up and go spirit atrophy.
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  42. SamG says:

    My, how people react to the metaphor of immanent justice. If you don’t like it, just use the term “consequences.” Slavery and the genocide of the North American indigenous people had both immediate and long term and complex consequences.

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    Yes, we all know about Indian reservations, and the anti-constitution diversity entitlement scheme, and the high rate of black criminality.

    What else is new?

    The long term solution might be federal imprisonment for all leftist.

    Federal prisons are an ideal existence for a leftist, because everything they cherish is free in a prison.

    ........

    Free food
    Free clean water and showers
    Free shelter
    Free medical
    Free dental
    Free washed clothes and free shoes
    Free toiletries
    Free Public Transportation
    Free Birth Control
    Free transsexual operations
    Free 24 hour security
    Free TV
    Free no-qualification jobs
    Free education
    Lots of anal and oral sodomy
    Lots of left wing friends
    Disarmed civilians
    Hate speech officially suppressed
    Equality
    Free Athletic Equipment Access
    Cultural and ethnic diversity
    Pay no Taxes
    Freedom from Religion
    Free Books and magazines
    , @AnotherDad

    My, how people react to the metaphor of immanent justice. If you don’t like it, just use the term “consequences.” Slavery and the genocide of the North American indigenous people had both immediate and long term and complex consequences.
     
    The main "consequence" was that blacks gained the largest completely unearned territorial and demographic expansion in the history of the world. They had no capability to discover or settle the Americas, but were carried along by whites and now have a huge demographic footprint at the expense of the natives. The biggest crime of white people by far.

    Another lesser consequence is having some black populations--US, Canada, Caribbean, even Brazil--living far better--greater prosperity, better rule of law--than they do by their own native talents, because they live in white created, or white managed or mixed race managed nations. And, at least in the US, nonetheless love to whine about it. "Immanent" justice would be sending them back to Africa.

    ~~
    The native American consequence is both simpler and more complex. They underwent a dramatic population collapse as whites and Africans brought old world diseases that they were poorly adapted to. This was a catastrophe.

    Then--mostly mixed (mestizo)--they underwent a population expansion as white\European technology allowed higher population densities. Despite the post-Columbian collapse, the tiny group of folks who crossed the Beringia land bridge and peopled the Americas have left a larger demographic footprint than the typical human of their era. In the net, natives lost exclusive control over their old territory but gained "modernity".
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  43. Jim Sweeney says: • Website

    Those high IQ whitebreads who cannot yet spell imminent should be disbarred from posting. and returned to the fourth grade It makes their argument about dumb blacks risible.

    Fred is right though. There is no solution to this matter absent some deus ex machina. A nuclear attack on the US might unify us in self-preservation but, under the foreseeable conditions, there’s no foreseeable assimilation.

    More than discouraging indeed. And sad beyond measure.

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    A nuclear attack on the US might unify us in self-preservation but, under the foreseeable conditions, there’s no foreseeable assimilation.
     
    I even have my doubts about that since the leftist have generally conditioned afro americans to be takers and not givers. The radicalized afro american, while receiving never ending entitlements, have an attitude of 'its never enough'. If that is happening in an age of relative abundance, what do you believe will happen in a situation of extreme scarcity (following a nuclear war)? I do not believe that they will rise to the occasion any more than they did in the Superdome, during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.

    This is a social mess, created and antagonized by leftist elites, and it will get a lot worse before it gets better. Combine this with our economic mess, that resembles a glorified ponzi scheme, it will result in troubled times ahead for all of us. Unless we can change radical afro americans hostile attitudes (and I do not see this happening), there is no reversing this trend. Whites have defeated the strong Amerindian who were a lot tougher than the radical afro american complainers, so ultimately it will end very bad for them. It is not something the rest of us want, but it is something that is being thrust upon all of us. Not liking that fact is not going to change it.

    , @Anonymous
    @Jim Sweeny

    SamG has it right. Imminent is not immanent. Take the trouble to look the words up before you crow triumphantly like a know-it-all sophomore. I doubt you understand Sam's point anyway--most certainly don't.

    , @Montefrío
    "Immanent" and "imminent" are two separate words with distinct meanings. That might be high school material, so perhaps you missed it.
    , @Mario Gama
    there is one VERY SIMPLE thing we can do.....SEPARATION ! SEPARATION ! SEPARATION ! SEAPARATION !......are american whites STUPID? are we supposed to put up with this CONSTANT HARASSEMENT and BLACKMAIL?....SEPARATION ! SEPARATION ! SEPARATION ! Give blacks 10% of the U.S. and let them BE ON THEIR OWN....
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  44. @Anonymous
    What's the path forward?

    According to Pew about 1/4 of black male newlyweds in 2013 married white women or a different race. Most black men don't marry so this isn't representative of young blacks in America but shows an unmistakably rising trend towards race mixing between whites and blacks.

    With enough time (over 100 years) American blacks will be absorbed into white America through interracial marriage and dating.

    Caribbean blacks have already been absorbed into the white majority in the UK. Hardly any young full blooded Caribbean children in the UK anymore. That only took 2 generations.

    Anonymous just trolled you guys.

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    Fred asked what path forward was there. Can you possibly think of any other path than absorbing blacks? Considering the gradual increase in interracial marriage/dating between blacks and whites/other races, this is also a realistic forecast of the very long term future.
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  45. @woodNfish
    Yes, and Reed ignores the government's and the democratic party's hand in helping to destroy the black community. Some black leaders like MLK and the racist Farrakhan have told blacks they need strong families, but blacks are inherently lazy niggers.

    Hey, Fish, I getcha, but to be fair, Fred doesn’t argue or ignore the how and why. His gig is, “What now?”. Argue how Blacks got to be Blacks as they are today as you will, that doesn’t matter. We’re here, they are there. Now what? The horrible question for us today is “What next?” Arguing how we got here, from there, allows you to avoid the horrible question.

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    In that, I am with Fred. I have no answer.
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  46. joef says:
    @Jim Sweeney
    Those high IQ whitebreads who cannot yet spell imminent should be disbarred from posting. and returned to the fourth grade It makes their argument about dumb blacks risible.

    Fred is right though. There is no solution to this matter absent some deus ex machina. A nuclear attack on the US might unify us in self-preservation but, under the foreseeable conditions, there's no foreseeable assimilation.

    More than discouraging indeed. And sad beyond measure.

    A nuclear attack on the US might unify us in self-preservation but, under the foreseeable conditions, there’s no foreseeable assimilation.

    I even have my doubts about that since the leftist have generally conditioned afro americans to be takers and not givers. The radicalized afro american, while receiving never ending entitlements, have an attitude of ‘its never enough’. If that is happening in an age of relative abundance, what do you believe will happen in a situation of extreme scarcity (following a nuclear war)? I do not believe that they will rise to the occasion any more than they did in the Superdome, during the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.

    This is a social mess, created and antagonized by leftist elites, and it will get a lot worse before it gets better. Combine this with our economic mess, that resembles a glorified ponzi scheme, it will result in troubled times ahead for all of us. Unless we can change radical afro americans hostile attitudes (and I do not see this happening), there is no reversing this trend. Whites have defeated the strong Amerindian who were a lot tougher than the radical afro american complainers, so ultimately it will end very bad for them. It is not something the rest of us want, but it is something that is being thrust upon all of us. Not liking that fact is not going to change it.

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  47. @SamG
    My, how people react to the metaphor of immanent justice. If you don't like it, just use the term "consequences." Slavery and the genocide of the North American indigenous people had both immediate and long term and complex consequences.

    Yes, we all know about Indian reservations, and the anti-constitution diversity entitlement scheme, and the high rate of black criminality.

    What else is new?

    The long term solution might be federal imprisonment for all leftist.

    Federal prisons are an ideal existence for a leftist, because everything they cherish is free in a prison.

    [MORE]

    ……..

    Free food
    Free clean water and showers
    Free shelter
    Free medical
    Free dental
    Free washed clothes and free shoes
    Free toiletries
    Free Public Transportation
    Free Birth Control
    Free transsexual operations
    Free 24 hour security
    Free TV
    Free no-qualification jobs
    Free education
    Lots of anal and oral sodomy
    Lots of left wing friends
    Disarmed civilians
    Hate speech officially suppressed
    Equality
    Free Athletic Equipment Access
    Cultural and ethnic diversity
    Pay no Taxes
    Freedom from Religion
    Free Books and magazines

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    When it really comes down to it, leftism just promotes parasitical behavior among human beings. They may hide behind the reason of providing a social safety net (which I am not opposed to), but in reality its about encouraging people to live like indefinite social parasites.

    Unfortunately for all of us, the human parasites are killing the economic host that is providing them with all these free goodies. Of course the radical afro american ghetto dweller has no idea where all the commodities actually come from, so when scarcity actually happens, they will commit the maximum social disruption upon the rest of society.

    The Libs who believe that they will not be targeted (because they are the 'good white people') will be in for a very rude surprise. Afro americans, who are accustomed to pandering and easy white Lib victims, will also be very surprised by the very resolved reaction of others who are willing to defend themselves. Because the radical afro american likes everything easy, they will not be able to handle the high cost of their desired revolution.

    Radical afro americans live in an infantile fantasy world where they believe that they are able to have a functioning black utopia without white assistance. But reality has always shown that they are completely dependent upon state handouts for their basic needs & survival. Thus even if they won their desired race war they will lose by eventually starving to death.

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  48. @Quartermaster
    Historically, when you get a situation where there is no possibility of a peaceful settlement, you get a violent settlement. US Blacks have been worse than stupid because they refuse to think for themselves and have allowed themselves to be kept in a situation akin to slavery. Emotionally, they are little more than children and thinking like children, they act out when no one gives them their way.

    No, it will not end well, except for the survivors. There may be very few black survivors, but they will find themselves in what amounts to little more than chattel slavery again.

    If there’s poetic justice, it is that it is in their nature to destroy each other in spite of all the “Brother this and that” talk. Shame more don’t go that way before they’ve fathered 6 just like themselves. Bad idea indeed to come out to suburbs, present yourself for mayhem duty in a White suburb, the police will make short work of you, for what other reason would you be there? Even the press can’t cover up for mischievous Blacks coming out from Washington DC to Fairfax County, Virginia that get killed by cops or citizens. Sister Soulja in the video suggesting such things is a moron. Oh, wait, yeah, I forgot. Hate to sound like Mercenary White Guy, but really, I’m just returning their sentiment towards me.

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    "the police will make short work of you"

    You sure about that? With the way the police hang back and just watch as they have a field day burning and looting in all the other riots?
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  49. woodNfish says:
    @Jim Christian
    Hey, Fish, I getcha, but to be fair, Fred doesn't argue or ignore the how and why. His gig is, "What now?". Argue how Blacks got to be Blacks as they are today as you will, that doesn't matter. We're here, they are there. Now what? The horrible question for us today is "What next?" Arguing how we got here, from there, allows you to avoid the horrible question.

    In that, I am with Fred. I have no answer.

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    Well, Fish, there IS no answer that doesn't come from them and in that, they are enabled, criminality celebrated. At the same time, on the ground, the grass roots, they are hamstrung. Go back to the 50's and 60's, there was industry, their grandfathers and now-great grandfathers worked, were married, went to church. Work culture except for the somewhat educated, the GoodBlacks of suburbia and affirmative action, is eliminated. There's no work for GoodBlacks that would work with their hands, but like Fred said, they won't try anyway, and haven't been taught any of it anyway, so it would seem. Besides, there are only so many affirmative action jobs, eventually, you need to get things done after all.

    Add up the profits the corporatist minions put in their pockets when they moved out all the industry, tally it against what it's cost, doesn't look so good, does it? But then, those that profited gave a shit what was left behind. They never lived near it anyway. And those in FTC and government in general that had a rather large say in such things back then, they were owned by those that profited by job-robbing. Doesn't matter, it's done.

    As Fred says, what now, what's next? It always comes back to that tin can we keep kicking down the road.

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  50. attonn says:
    @Anonymous
    What's the path forward?

    According to Pew about 1/4 of black male newlyweds in 2013 married white women or a different race. Most black men don't marry so this isn't representative of young blacks in America but shows an unmistakably rising trend towards race mixing between whites and blacks.

    With enough time (over 100 years) American blacks will be absorbed into white America through interracial marriage and dating.

    Caribbean blacks have already been absorbed into the white majority in the UK. Hardly any young full blooded Caribbean children in the UK anymore. That only took 2 generations.

    LOL. You probably meant “white people will be absorbed away into other races”. That surely is happening already.

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  51. @tim s
    That past was not that long ago, and deep down these people are still basically the same as their ancestors. I wouldn't count them out so easily. You may be right, but it is not over until it is over, and the only thing that may be nearly over is the powder-puff easy living that many of us have grown up with. There is very little that is as corrosive to a healthy community over time as a life that is too easy. Difficulty in life makes for hardier people, and stupidity cannot propagate as well.

    Your description of the soft whites seems most applicable to the 9-5 suburbanites with typical mainstream habits & entertainment preferences. There are a good number of whites who don't fit that description. I know many of them, and their knowledge and skills are impressive.

    You are correct. Sprinkled in with the soft-Whites are some Hard-Whites with guns, with certain skills, in the DC region, in Virginia particularly, intel/military types. Fair number up here in the Boston region, throughout New England, actually. New England would actually be pretty conservative without the academics of Boston’s “higher” education population. And in Virginia, in New Hampshire, Vermont, a fairly substantial band of Hard-Whites exist of the redneck variety, also possessed of guns and the will, if necessary. Communities even if reduced to subdivisions will protect their own, I think and will scarcely bat an eye to cops that take care of roaming outsiders, even if Black. Things unthinkable become acceptable when the threat is to YOU.

    Witness the walls the rich add to their properties. They know what’s what.

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    Right you are. These bands of hard-whites are invisible to the left and the media. They literally don't know they exist, even if they are right under their noses, and then can't see why Trump's numbers are what they are.

    I have friends in an inner city Houston neighborhood, that is very close to the hood, but is not part of it proper. It's mainly white and hispanic, and from what they say, everyone looks out for their neighbors and tend to know what's going on outside of their walls. This is an actual community. Compare that to a bit more well off suburbs, where people can live next to each other for decades and never exchange more than pleasantries if they happen to check the mail at the same time.
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  52. joef says:
    @Joe Franklin
    Yes, we all know about Indian reservations, and the anti-constitution diversity entitlement scheme, and the high rate of black criminality.

    What else is new?

    The long term solution might be federal imprisonment for all leftist.

    Federal prisons are an ideal existence for a leftist, because everything they cherish is free in a prison.

    ........

    Free food
    Free clean water and showers
    Free shelter
    Free medical
    Free dental
    Free washed clothes and free shoes
    Free toiletries
    Free Public Transportation
    Free Birth Control
    Free transsexual operations
    Free 24 hour security
    Free TV
    Free no-qualification jobs
    Free education
    Lots of anal and oral sodomy
    Lots of left wing friends
    Disarmed civilians
    Hate speech officially suppressed
    Equality
    Free Athletic Equipment Access
    Cultural and ethnic diversity
    Pay no Taxes
    Freedom from Religion
    Free Books and magazines

    When it really comes down to it, leftism just promotes parasitical behavior among human beings. They may hide behind the reason of providing a social safety net (which I am not opposed to), but in reality its about encouraging people to live like indefinite social parasites.

    Unfortunately for all of us, the human parasites are killing the economic host that is providing them with all these free goodies. Of course the radical afro american ghetto dweller has no idea where all the commodities actually come from, so when scarcity actually happens, they will commit the maximum social disruption upon the rest of society.

    The Libs who believe that they will not be targeted (because they are the ‘good white people’) will be in for a very rude surprise. Afro americans, who are accustomed to pandering and easy white Lib victims, will also be very surprised by the very resolved reaction of others who are willing to defend themselves. Because the radical afro american likes everything easy, they will not be able to handle the high cost of their desired revolution.

    Radical afro americans live in an infantile fantasy world where they believe that they are able to have a functioning black utopia without white assistance. But reality has always shown that they are completely dependent upon state handouts for their basic needs & survival. Thus even if they won their desired race war they will lose by eventually starving to death.

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  53. @woodNfish
    In that, I am with Fred. I have no answer.

    Well, Fish, there IS no answer that doesn’t come from them and in that, they are enabled, criminality celebrated. At the same time, on the ground, the grass roots, they are hamstrung. Go back to the 50′s and 60′s, there was industry, their grandfathers and now-great grandfathers worked, were married, went to church. Work culture except for the somewhat educated, the GoodBlacks of suburbia and affirmative action, is eliminated. There’s no work for GoodBlacks that would work with their hands, but like Fred said, they won’t try anyway, and haven’t been taught any of it anyway, so it would seem. Besides, there are only so many affirmative action jobs, eventually, you need to get things done after all.

    Add up the profits the corporatist minions put in their pockets when they moved out all the industry, tally it against what it’s cost, doesn’t look so good, does it? But then, those that profited gave a shit what was left behind. They never lived near it anyway. And those in FTC and government in general that had a rather large say in such things back then, they were owned by those that profited by job-robbing. Doesn’t matter, it’s done.

    As Fred says, what now, what’s next? It always comes back to that tin can we keep kicking down the road.

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  54. TheBoom says:
    @joef
    There is an radical afro american insurgency. Their demands are infinite unearned entitlements and no accountability, especially in regards to racial violence & crime. The leftist believe that if they keep on sacrificing the rest of us that it will appease them. But experience has shown that this is not only not true, but the opposite reaction has happened. The academic/MSM liberal elite naively believe that afro americans will actually make enough distinctions to classify them as the 'good white people', and therefore be immune from afro american perpetrated racial violence.

    But there is also a feeling among the average suburban white, who never lived with the black ghetto on their door step, just want to ignore the problem and give afro americans what they want, (so the suburban whites can continue to enjoy their bread and circuses).
    Thus I am not adverse to afro americans taking the violence to the suburbs. Its time for the suburban whites to join the party, and deal with what radical afro americans are really about. There is no pretending when confronted with violence, where pet racial theories fold against the harsh reality of limitless afro american animosity. It sounds callous but remember that these same insulated suburban whites (with the exception of the urban white flight refugees) are pretty callous when it comes to victims of afro american violent crime.

    So let the games begin. Then maybe when we recognize the reality of our current dysfunctional situation, we can attempt to solve the problem. Until then, it will only continue to get much much worse. Economic decline plus racial balkanization is very bad for national stability. And if its bad now, just think how bad it will be when austerity hits this nation; when afro americans are dissatisfied with more, what do you think what will happen when we can only give them less?

    Regardless this radical afro american insurgency will only increase in intensity, especially when they constantly fantasize about a race war. Either we confront it now or confront it latter, but either way its a situation we must confront. This is not something the rest of us asked for, but it is something that the radical afro americans want, badly. Thus if we do not change their hearts & minds (which leftist interference will never allow), we will reach the point of unrestrained violence, where we will have only two plausible reactions: fight or die (and the whites who are proud of being against guns will probably fall in the later category).

    If the worst happens the biggest potential losers in this type of situation are the blacks who are not part of this radical afro american agenda. They will suffer from the radical afro americans who will treat them like traitors, and from everyone else, who out of fear, will literally/figuratively shoot first & ask questions later (the only advice to those who are in this predicament is to move out of the afro american ghetto area & build your social capital among your neighbors).

    We been simultaneously been kicking the economic can and the racial can down the road for a long time, and conditions have steadily become worse over the last half century. Eventually we will kick the cans over the cliff. We did not ask for this, but nevertheless reality will force us to eventually respond to it (like it or not).

    But there is also a feeling among the average suburban white, who never lived with the black ghetto on their door step, just want to ignore the problem and give afro americans what they want, (so the suburban whites can continue to enjoy their bread and circuses).
    Thus I am not adverse to afro americans taking the violence to the suburbs.

    I share your feelings on this. The country is imperiled because whites are dishonest about their feelings. They understand the problem and flee it but don’t want to admit it out of fear of being called racist. They hope that if they keep their heads in the suburban sands that it will leave them alone. Well, it isn’t going to let their kids alone because this ethnic and cultural cleansing will impact every aspect of their lives. Let the suburban middle-class experience firsthand what they are enabling to happen.

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    Could not say it better than what you stated here.
    This social game of lets pretend by liberals and suburban whites will eventually have dire consequences for all of us. Its only fitting that they suffer the consequences for the problem that they helped to create (I am saying this more out of a sense for justice, not any feeling for petty revenge). This may sound harsh, but where is their concern for all the victims of afro american perpetrated violent crime (is being a fashionable liberal more important to them than the human suffering of violent crime?).
    I just do not see this ending in a peaceful way, instead its probably going to get very ugly. Chicago with its 90 shootings a week is going to start to become more & more of the norm, as our cities decay. It could end up being a perpetual 1977 again, but it also has the potential to be much much worse with urban areas resembling a metro version of a failed state.
    , @Mario Gama
    [Using allcaps in comments is shouting; stop shouting or all your future comments will be trashed.]

    ABSOLUTELY ! Let them ...middle-class suburban whites.... be the ones to experience "diversity"....after all tehy CREATED this mess, and CONTINUE to APPEASE it and ENABLE it
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  55. unit472 says:

    The money that is subsidizing the negro population is going to run out soon. Given a choice ( and a choice will have to be made) between sending out social security checks and funding Medicaid the US voter is going to fund Social Security. Public school funding in all but the most affluent suburbs will dry up. Local and state government jobs ( and 55% of the black ‘middle class’ work for the government) will be cut as pension funding eats up revenue. Even Federal employment will have to be cut as revenues shrink and interest payments on the debt consume a larger portion.

    At the end of the day the American negro will be jettisoned from what remains of the economy. That is not a political prediction but an economic reality.

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    Excellent post, as it expresses what I in my own way have come to believe: Blacks are a luxury we can no longer afford.
    , @Dr. X

    The money that is subsidizing the negro population is going to run out soon.
     
    We're already $20 trillion past the point where we've run out of money.
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  56. woodNfish says:
    @Joe Franklin
    Blacks were never close to a majority in America, so it's mathematically impossible for most whites to have owned black slaves. At the peak of black slavery in the South, only 6 percent of Southern whites owned slaves. If you include the white people in the North, it means that only 1.4 percent of white Americans owned black slaves at the HEIGHT of slavery.

    An estimated 3,000 blacks owned a total of 20,000 black slaves in the year 1860. One study concluded that 28 percent of free blacks owned slaves, which is a far higher percentage than that of free whites who owned slaves.

    Although your textbooks are silent about it, most historians agree that two-thirds of ALL whites came to the colonies in some form of bondage. Legal papers on both sides of the ocean referred to them as "slaves." White slaves outnumbered black slaves in America throughout the 1600s.

    Hundreds of thousands of white slaves were kidnapped and brought to America; their middle-passage death rates were comparable to those of black slaves; they were sold at auction and traded for livestock, they were routinely beaten—sometimes to death—and an estimated one half of them died before gaining freedom. It's possible that more whites came to America against their will than blacks. Historians from both ends of the political spectrum say that white slaves were treated worse than black slaves.

    American blacks enjoy the highest standard of living of any black population on earth. Their average per capita income is TWENTY to FIFTY times higher than in any of the African countries from where they were displaced. It's true that part of America's wealth was built on black slavery; it is also true that American blacks are enjoying the fruits of that wealth. You, fair child, whether you were born black or white, weren't born in debt to anyone. You were born free. Don't let the bad people take it away from you.

    No, kids—the blacks, Arabs, and Jews were involved, too.
    • BLACKS: The president of an African country called Benin recently apologized to American blacks for his country's role in the slave trade. Slavery was common throughout Africa, with entire tribes becoming enslaved after losing battles. Tribal chieftains often sold their defeated foes to white slave-traders. In the late 1700s, a freed black American slave named Ottobah Cugoano wrote, "I was first kidnapped and betrayed by my own complexion, who were the first cause of my exile and slavery."
    • ARABS: The word "Abed" means "slave" in Arabic. It also means "black." The "Holy Land" of the Middle East has hosted far more African slaves than North America ever did.
    • JEWS: The oldest synagogue in America was built by Aaron Lopez, a Jewish slave trader. Jewish writers such as Cecil Roth, Wilfred Samuels, Seymour B. Liebman, and Moshe Kahan acknowledge that Jews were involved in all levels of the African slave trade.
    In fact, children, white Christians were the first group to make a concerted effort to ABOLISH slavery.

    http://www.vice.com/read/hey-v12n5

    …white Christians were the first group to make a concerted effort to ABOLISH slavery.

    True, it was an English Quaker in Britain. Not sure who it was in France, but here’s the thing. Neither of those countries went to war over it. What we have today is Lincoln’s fault because he was willing to economically ruin the South rather than veto the legislation immediately freeing the slaves. The South probably would have gone along with it if it was given time to adapt, it wasn’t.

    After the war, after being saddled with Northern “reconstruction” the southern democratic party created the KKK, Jim Crowe, poll taxes, segregation, etc. Plenty of that was because of the suffering the South was put to for Lincoln making the war of secession about slavery rather than secession as it was really about. To my knowledge Britain and France never went through any of that. So what we have today is the butcher Lincoln’s fault, but he is celebrated as our greatest president when we should really be pissing on his grave.

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  57. joef says:
    @TheBoom

    But there is also a feeling among the average suburban white, who never lived with the black ghetto on their door step, just want to ignore the problem and give afro americans what they want, (so the suburban whites can continue to enjoy their bread and circuses).
    Thus I am not adverse to afro americans taking the violence to the suburbs.
     
    I share your feelings on this. The country is imperiled because whites are dishonest about their feelings. They understand the problem and flee it but don't want to admit it out of fear of being called racist. They hope that if they keep their heads in the suburban sands that it will leave them alone. Well, it isn't going to let their kids alone because this ethnic and cultural cleansing will impact every aspect of their lives. Let the suburban middle-class experience firsthand what they are enabling to happen.

    Could not say it better than what you stated here.
    This social game of lets pretend by liberals and suburban whites will eventually have dire consequences for all of us. Its only fitting that they suffer the consequences for the problem that they helped to create (I am saying this more out of a sense for justice, not any feeling for petty revenge). This may sound harsh, but where is their concern for all the victims of afro american perpetrated violent crime (is being a fashionable liberal more important to them than the human suffering of violent crime?).
    I just do not see this ending in a peaceful way, instead its probably going to get very ugly. Chicago with its 90 shootings a week is going to start to become more & more of the norm, as our cities decay. It could end up being a perpetual 1977 again, but it also has the potential to be much much worse with urban areas resembling a metro version of a failed state.

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    Statistics show a peak in this kind of violence in presidential election years.
    Things will calm down a bit afterwards.

    The general trend, however, is the one you say.
    Of course, as long as the side receiving aggression does not react, the aggressors amplify their behaviour.
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  58. tim s says:
    @Jim Christian
    You are correct. Sprinkled in with the soft-Whites are some Hard-Whites with guns, with certain skills, in the DC region, in Virginia particularly, intel/military types. Fair number up here in the Boston region, throughout New England, actually. New England would actually be pretty conservative without the academics of Boston's "higher" education population. And in Virginia, in New Hampshire, Vermont, a fairly substantial band of Hard-Whites exist of the redneck variety, also possessed of guns and the will, if necessary. Communities even if reduced to subdivisions will protect their own, I think and will scarcely bat an eye to cops that take care of roaming outsiders, even if Black. Things unthinkable become acceptable when the threat is to YOU.

    Witness the walls the rich add to their properties. They know what's what.

    Right you are. These bands of hard-whites are invisible to the left and the media. They literally don’t know they exist, even if they are right under their noses, and then can’t see why Trump’s numbers are what they are.

    I have friends in an inner city Houston neighborhood, that is very close to the hood, but is not part of it proper. It’s mainly white and hispanic, and from what they say, everyone looks out for their neighbors and tend to know what’s going on outside of their walls. This is an actual community. Compare that to a bit more well off suburbs, where people can live next to each other for decades and never exchange more than pleasantries if they happen to check the mail at the same time.

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  59. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Either they can’t read, don’t read, don’t have access to the internet, or don’t care. As usual, sixty years after Brown vs. the School Board they shout in illiterate semi-English.

    Many of them have access to the Internet. One of the chief uses it has to them, it appears, is it allows them to browse about and type “white people are shit”, whenever possible.

    It isn’t working. The racial thing, I mean. The hunting of whites, beatings of whites, calls for attacks on whites. In the age of cell phones, the media can hide only so much.

    Now on this. In all frankness, by their very own kowtowing, whites are inviting aggression, as any book of sociobiology would have it said.
    This is the white people’s fault more than it could be any other people’s.

    Joblessness rises among better qualified whites. Obama brings in more Latinos to compete with blacks.

    Meaning that, as seems to be for the average black, he has in mind damaging whites rather than helping blacks.

    In Mexico, blacks speak normal Spanish and, in France, normal French. In America, Dat be actin’ white.

    You are aware that a couple of weeks ago you advocated for education being given in both English and Spanish, so the Latinos could keep refusing to use English but do so more comfortably.

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  60. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @joef
    Could not say it better than what you stated here.
    This social game of lets pretend by liberals and suburban whites will eventually have dire consequences for all of us. Its only fitting that they suffer the consequences for the problem that they helped to create (I am saying this more out of a sense for justice, not any feeling for petty revenge). This may sound harsh, but where is their concern for all the victims of afro american perpetrated violent crime (is being a fashionable liberal more important to them than the human suffering of violent crime?).
    I just do not see this ending in a peaceful way, instead its probably going to get very ugly. Chicago with its 90 shootings a week is going to start to become more & more of the norm, as our cities decay. It could end up being a perpetual 1977 again, but it also has the potential to be much much worse with urban areas resembling a metro version of a failed state.

    Statistics show a peak in this kind of violence in presidential election years.
    Things will calm down a bit afterwards.

    The general trend, however, is the one you say.
    Of course, as long as the side receiving aggression does not react, the aggressors amplify their behaviour.

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    as long as the side receiving aggression does not react, the aggressors amplify their behaviour.
     
    Agreed. Passive behavior towards aggressive criminal behavior only emboldens the aggressor. This passivity is being inculcated into us by academia and MSM (with their preferred goal of complete gun control). Once complete submission with learned helplessness of whites is achieved, there will be no resistance to more failed leftist policies (promoted as being the solution to afro american animosity & violence). Unless you alter the course of a trend line, the projected path of such events can be predicted to their eventual outcome.
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  61. Truth says:
    @Dave B
    There are two ways out, both are possible if we have the will, neither one likely with large numbers of the population brain-addled by political correctness and other mental diseases. I say let's give the blacks two choices, to be decided in a referendum.

    Choice one is total assimilation into the majority culture. This would start with a full force police and military sweep though all black neighborhoods, rooting out all known and suspected gang members. Instant execution. The remaining blacks would have to learn proper English take normal American names, and take responsibility for themselves. If this means moving 1,000 miles out of the city to harvest crops in a rural state, so be it. Just the way Latinos travel thousands of miles to cross into the US to work. Anyone who violates these rules would be repatriated to whatever African country they wanted.

    The second option is total white removal from their lives. If they hate us so much, so be it, bring back total segregation. No white cops in black neighborhoods. No cops of any color if so desired. Let them make their own rules and do things their own way. Of course, no white interference would also mean no white girls with a bad case of jungle fever entering black neighborhoods to sooth the poor black men, no white money in the form of welfare checks, etc.

    LMAO!

    “Constitutio, wha stinkin’ constituio?”

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    That you can even read and write, Truth, and therefore comment here, is due to a change, by White men, of the Constitution that was originally written by and for White men.

    Since the Constitution could be changed once, (proof of which is your commenting here) it can also be changed again, given sufficient political will of White men.

    Dave B.'s ideas are sound.
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  62. Truth says:
    @Joe Franklin
    Blacks were never close to a majority in America, so it's mathematically impossible for most whites to have owned black slaves. At the peak of black slavery in the South, only 6 percent of Southern whites owned slaves. If you include the white people in the North, it means that only 1.4 percent of white Americans owned black slaves at the HEIGHT of slavery.

    An estimated 3,000 blacks owned a total of 20,000 black slaves in the year 1860. One study concluded that 28 percent of free blacks owned slaves, which is a far higher percentage than that of free whites who owned slaves.

    Although your textbooks are silent about it, most historians agree that two-thirds of ALL whites came to the colonies in some form of bondage. Legal papers on both sides of the ocean referred to them as "slaves." White slaves outnumbered black slaves in America throughout the 1600s.

    Hundreds of thousands of white slaves were kidnapped and brought to America; their middle-passage death rates were comparable to those of black slaves; they were sold at auction and traded for livestock, they were routinely beaten—sometimes to death—and an estimated one half of them died before gaining freedom. It's possible that more whites came to America against their will than blacks. Historians from both ends of the political spectrum say that white slaves were treated worse than black slaves.

    American blacks enjoy the highest standard of living of any black population on earth. Their average per capita income is TWENTY to FIFTY times higher than in any of the African countries from where they were displaced. It's true that part of America's wealth was built on black slavery; it is also true that American blacks are enjoying the fruits of that wealth. You, fair child, whether you were born black or white, weren't born in debt to anyone. You were born free. Don't let the bad people take it away from you.

    No, kids—the blacks, Arabs, and Jews were involved, too.
    • BLACKS: The president of an African country called Benin recently apologized to American blacks for his country's role in the slave trade. Slavery was common throughout Africa, with entire tribes becoming enslaved after losing battles. Tribal chieftains often sold their defeated foes to white slave-traders. In the late 1700s, a freed black American slave named Ottobah Cugoano wrote, "I was first kidnapped and betrayed by my own complexion, who were the first cause of my exile and slavery."
    • ARABS: The word "Abed" means "slave" in Arabic. It also means "black." The "Holy Land" of the Middle East has hosted far more African slaves than North America ever did.
    • JEWS: The oldest synagogue in America was built by Aaron Lopez, a Jewish slave trader. Jewish writers such as Cecil Roth, Wilfred Samuels, Seymour B. Liebman, and Moshe Kahan acknowledge that Jews were involved in all levels of the African slave trade.
    In fact, children, white Christians were the first group to make a concerted effort to ABOLISH slavery.

    http://www.vice.com/read/hey-v12n5

    At the peak of black slavery in the South, only 6 percent of Southern whites owned slaves. If you include the white people in the North, it means that only 1.4 percent of white Americans owned black slaves at the HEIGHT of slavery.

    Six percent of southern white PEOPLE, %33 of southern white FAMILIES, Grasshopper, and in the lower south, almost HALF:

    http://civilwarcauses.org/stat.htm

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    What's the definition of a family? A single-family household?
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  63. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Well, Fred, the Italians at this very moment are importing black Africans by the million – and seem happy to continue to do this indefinitely. Even his Holiness the Pope is urging Italy take in even more. It’s their ‘christian duty’, you see.

    Americans seem to have a warped view of Italians. You seem to think that whatever they are, they are ‘tough’, ‘unsentimental’ and pretty ‘kick-ass’.
    Well, that’s all a bunch of bull to be sure. They are as stupid as the blue eyed innocents of Sweden.

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  64. Rich says:

    The solution is simple, police enforcement to the full extent of the law, with long prison sentences to those convicted. Giuliani saved NYC with a lightweight version of this in the 1990′s and if states were given the leeway to enforce existing laws today, peace between the races could easily be achieved. Liberal New Yorkers were forced to accept and endorse more vigorous policing because minority crime rates had reached insane numbers, to the point that even the wealthy were being raped, robbed and murdered. I hope the misery that was NYC up until Giuliani’s mayoralty doesn’t have be reached before sensible Americans reach the same conclusions New Yorkers had to reach.

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    Regarding your comment 'Giuliani saved NYC' - - This will probably not be duplicated again, because of the lack of political will, for some of the following reasons:

    The current millennials have no personal life experience (living memory) with very high crime.
    And many hipsters (who are mostly rejects from their own home towns and came to NYC to fit in with each other) came from areas that were not plagued with high crime. Thus these two groups have no understanding what it was like to live in the bad old days of very high crime.

    Added to that is that the polite fashionably liberal whites have no stomach for aggressive policing against afro americans because of their belief in politically correct propaganda. They rather make believe that there is no afro american crime problem and will never politically agree to the solutions necessary to control it (because they rather pretend that their is no problem in the first place).

    Added to this: Giuliani was an aggressive egocentric personality who was willing the endure relentless MSM criticism, and I doubt you will find a pandering politician today willing to do the same.

    Added to this is the Ferguson effect has already taken root among urban ghetto cops. They are protecting their own rational self interest by being reactive to crime (as report takers) instead of practicing proactive policing. They are providing the kind of policing that is demanded of them by public outcry and the MSM.

    Added to this is city administrations want the mutually exclusive goals of lower crime and risk adverse nonaggressive policing. Without courts doing their jobs of providing adequate prison sentencing to violent felons, all the onus falls upon the police to contain crime. This then leads to more aggressive crime control practices than would not normally be necessary (as opposed to an order maintenance style of policing used by Europe/Japan, when the majority of violent felons are in prison like they are suppose to be). But like the old communist phrase states 'you cannot make an omelet without breaking some eggs'; as a result aggressive police tactics causes anger with said practices even if it diminishes crime.

    However there are not too many tools in the tool box to accomplish lowering violent crime by the police themselves. There are stop and frisk (which are actually a semi randomized stop & search which is different in what the law describes as a Terry Stop), broken windows enforcement for minor offenses (because violent felons are too stupid to stay off the radar while they are wanted for a crime), and omnipresence (which has a huge expense in personnel requirements). When aggressive policing is discouraged the only thing left is the omnipresence model.
    But realistically there will never be enough cops to stop all criminal opportunity, so then electronic surveillance is used to supplement this practice . The down side of this is that it makes this nation resemble an Orwellian surveillance state.

    What makes this problem worse is that many suburban/rural police departments (the ones without urban ghettos) are concentrating on aggressively attacking working people as a revenue source instead of attacking ghetto crime problems. The overuse of SWAT teams by small police departments for more routine enforcement functions (not armed barricaded situations that they were originally meant for) is also causing a negative reaction to what is termed as militarized police.
    This situation is causing a loss of support & confidence for the police overall, which also affects urban ghetto cops (who have no time for such silly revenue seeking practices, nor care for conducting such petty enforcement when they have real violence to contend with).

    That is why my friend you will never see the Giuliani style of criminal suppression again. This is all going end up playing itself out in another way when afro american violence and entitlements exhausts the resources of this nation; then maybe we will see some sort of correction, but probably not until then.

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  65. @turtle
    >dey-be-he-be
    LMAO :)
    >Their music
    Would that it were so, as it once was.
    http://chuckberry.com
    However, a 'coon mouthing obscenities at high volume does not qualify as music, at least according to the conventional European (dare I say German?) definition.
    The quality of music is not strained; it does, however, require certain indispensable components, among which are life, liberty, and at least a visceral understanding of rhythm and melody. Harmony would be good, also.

    Jetzt am moment, Ich muss repair to das Batcave and listen to some Telemann.
    You know, actual music.
    (yeah, I know, "Dat be racist.")
    bite me.

    i’m a guitarist, or was. circumstance has deprived me of that pleasure. i played telemann and bach, many many others. the baroque period was a particular favorite. but i also played bluegrass, jazz, ragtime, blues, contemporary – finger-picking styles.
    i like all styles of music. even hip-hop. the blues, i love. and the blues came from the blacks.
    music is always on the move.
    but, i’m afraid, you are not.

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  66. syonredux says:

    A Mexican woman will work as a maid until she figures out something better; a black woman will not. A young Salvadoran man will make his way up Central America, through Mexican police likely to beat him, ride the Train of Death to the US border, and sneak into a country whose language he does not understand to work construction and send money back to his family. A black in Chicago won’t buy a Greyhound ticket to the same job.

    Yes, Fred, we all know that Hispanic Amerinds and Mestizos are better than Blacks, but that’s a frightfully low bar.

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    Not as a low bar as you think. I lived next to both type of communities for a long time.
    The mainland hispanics do not bother anyone with aggressive panhandling like the afro americans do.
    They maintain their homes & neighborhoods in a clean and orderly manner unlike most afro americans.
    They do not routinely litter nor do they publicly urinate (except when the young males are intox on a weekend night) like afro americans do.
    They are always working or looking for work.
    They do not drive as recklessly as afro americans do.
    The males have a sense of responsibility towards the financial upkeep of their family (& offspring) unlike most of the afro americans males.
    They are more polite than afro americans and commit less crimes overall.
    If you lived next to both, the contrast is striking. The outliers are the violent hispanic drug gangs that our govt negligently allowed to migrate inside this country.

    I rather keep my eye on the ball of where our primary problems are, rather than worry about the hispanic not being perfect.
    The real problem is that afro americans kill more people in this country than any other group (including terrorism)! On top of that, their entitlements is placing a huge financial burden upon the rest of us. And for all this they show no contrition, nor any appreciation. They just demand more more more with no end in sight.
    The leftist produced racial balkanization with afro americans, coupled with economic problems of our glorified national ponzi scheme, is a recipe for disaster for this nation.
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  67. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jim Sweeney
    Those high IQ whitebreads who cannot yet spell imminent should be disbarred from posting. and returned to the fourth grade It makes their argument about dumb blacks risible.

    Fred is right though. There is no solution to this matter absent some deus ex machina. A nuclear attack on the US might unify us in self-preservation but, under the foreseeable conditions, there's no foreseeable assimilation.

    More than discouraging indeed. And sad beyond measure.

    @Jim Sweeny

    SamG has it right. Imminent is not immanent. Take the trouble to look the words up before you crow triumphantly like a know-it-all sophomore. I doubt you understand Sam’s point anyway–most certainly don’t.

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  68. turtle says:

    @ Lawrence Fitton
    >the blues came from the blacks.
    as did rock and roll, to a significant extent
    Chuck Berry was, and always will be, the “King of Rock and Roll.”
    Elvis was an ofay pretender, in my opinion.
    >the baroque period was a particular favorite
    Yes, mine also.
    I particularly enjoy listening to the orderly precision of baroque music when engaged in logical/quantitative activities.
    After work, it is just as likely to be rock & roll, Chicago blues, or folk music .
    My guitar skills are nowhere near your own, but I have enjoyed playing for my own amusement in the past.
    >but, i’m afraid, you are not.
    Well, you may be right about that.
    I am an old man, and set in my ways.
    >circumstance has deprived me of that pleasure
    I sympathize with your plight.
    Time has also not been kind to the fingers of my left hand.

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  69. joef says:
    @syonredux

    A Mexican woman will work as a maid until she figures out something better; a black woman will not. A young Salvadoran man will make his way up Central America, through Mexican police likely to beat him, ride the Train of Death to the US border, and sneak into a country whose language he does not understand to work construction and send money back to his family. A black in Chicago won’t buy a Greyhound ticket to the same job.
     
    Yes, Fred, we all know that Hispanic Amerinds and Mestizos are better than Blacks, but that's a frightfully low bar.

    Not as a low bar as you think. I lived next to both type of communities for a long time.
    The mainland hispanics do not bother anyone with aggressive panhandling like the afro americans do.
    They maintain their homes & neighborhoods in a clean and orderly manner unlike most afro americans.
    They do not routinely litter nor do they publicly urinate (except when the young males are intox on a weekend night) like afro americans do.
    They are always working or looking for work.
    They do not drive as recklessly as afro americans do.
    The males have a sense of responsibility towards the financial upkeep of their family (& offspring) unlike most of the afro americans males.
    They are more polite than afro americans and commit less crimes overall.
    If you lived next to both, the contrast is striking. The outliers are the violent hispanic drug gangs that our govt negligently allowed to migrate inside this country.

    I rather keep my eye on the ball of where our primary problems are, rather than worry about the hispanic not being perfect.
    The real problem is that afro americans kill more people in this country than any other group (including terrorism)! On top of that, their entitlements is placing a huge financial burden upon the rest of us. And for all this they show no contrition, nor any appreciation. They just demand more more more with no end in sight.
    The leftist produced racial balkanization with afro americans, coupled with economic problems of our glorified national ponzi scheme, is a recipe for disaster for this nation.

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    If you lived next to both, the contrast is striking.
     
    I have lived in both Black and Mestizo/Amerind Hispanic neighborhoods. The Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds are better than Blacks, but that's hardly a point of distinction, as Blacks are quite dysfunctional.

    I rather keep my eye on the ball of where our primary problems are, rather than worry about the hispanic not being perfect.
     
    Hispanics are the primary problem. Look at the demographic projections:

    The share of the population that is Hispanic has been steadily increasing over the past half century. In 2014, Hispanics made up 17.3% of the total U.S. population, up from 3.5% in 1960. According to the latest projections from the U.S. Census Bureau (2014), the Hispanic share of the U.S. population is expected to reach 28.6% by 2060.
     
    hispanic.org/2016/04/19/statistical-portrait-of-hispanics-in-the-united-states-key-charts/ >http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/04/19/statistical-portrait-of-hispanics-in-the-united-states-key-charts/

    And if you want to know what that means for Anglo-America, read this book:

    Generations of Exclusion:

    Generations of Exclusion measures Mexican American integration across a wide number of dimensions: education, English and Spanish language use, socioeconomic status, intermarriage, residential segregation, ethnic identity, and political participation. The study contains some encouraging findings, but many more that are troubling. Linguistically, Mexican Americans assimilate into mainstream America quite well—by the second generation, nearly all Mexican Americans achieve English proficiency. In many domains, however, the Mexican American story doesn’t fit with traditional models of assimilation. The majority of fourth generation Mexican Americans continue to live in Hispanic neighborhoods, marry other Hispanics, and think of themselves as Mexican. And while Mexican Americans make financial strides from the first to the second generation, economic progress halts at the second generation, and poverty rates remain high for later generations. Similarly, educational attainment peaks among second generation children of immigrants, but declines for the third and fourth generations.
     
    https://www.amazon.com/Generations-Exclusion-Mexican-Americans-Assimilation-Race/dp/0871548496
    , @schmenz
    I see this very thing in my own city, so I know you are correct.
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  70. joef says:
    @Rich
    The solution is simple, police enforcement to the full extent of the law, with long prison sentences to those convicted. Giuliani saved NYC with a lightweight version of this in the 1990's and if states were given the leeway to enforce existing laws today, peace between the races could easily be achieved. Liberal New Yorkers were forced to accept and endorse more vigorous policing because minority crime rates had reached insane numbers, to the point that even the wealthy were being raped, robbed and murdered. I hope the misery that was NYC up until Giuliani's mayoralty doesn't have be reached before sensible Americans reach the same conclusions New Yorkers had to reach.

    Regarding your comment ‘Giuliani saved NYC’ – – This will probably not be duplicated again, because of the lack of political will, for some of the following reasons:

    The current millennials have no personal life experience (living memory) with very high crime.
    And many hipsters (who are mostly rejects from their own home towns and came to NYC to fit in with each other) came from areas that were not plagued with high crime. Thus these two groups have no understanding what it was like to live in the bad old days of very high crime.

    Added to that is that the polite fashionably liberal whites have no stomach for aggressive policing against afro americans because of their belief in politically correct propaganda. They rather make believe that there is no afro american crime problem and will never politically agree to the solutions necessary to control it (because they rather pretend that their is no problem in the first place).

    Added to this: Giuliani was an aggressive egocentric personality who was willing the endure relentless MSM criticism, and I doubt you will find a pandering politician today willing to do the same.

    Added to this is the Ferguson effect has already taken root among urban ghetto cops. They are protecting their own rational self interest by being reactive to crime (as report takers) instead of practicing proactive policing. They are providing the kind of policing that is demanded of them by public outcry and the MSM.

    Added to this is city administrations want the mutually exclusive goals of lower crime and risk adverse nonaggressive policing. Without courts doing their jobs of providing adequate prison sentencing to violent felons, all the onus falls upon the police to contain crime. This then leads to more aggressive crime control practices than would not normally be necessary (as opposed to an order maintenance style of policing used by Europe/Japan, when the majority of violent felons are in prison like they are suppose to be). But like the old communist phrase states ‘you cannot make an omelet without breaking some eggs’; as a result aggressive police tactics causes anger with said practices even if it diminishes crime.

    However there are not too many tools in the tool box to accomplish lowering violent crime by the police themselves. There are stop and frisk (which are actually a semi randomized stop & search which is different in what the law describes as a Terry Stop), broken windows enforcement for minor offenses (because violent felons are too stupid to stay off the radar while they are wanted for a crime), and omnipresence (which has a huge expense in personnel requirements). When aggressive policing is discouraged the only thing left is the omnipresence model.
    But realistically there will never be enough cops to stop all criminal opportunity, so then electronic surveillance is used to supplement this practice . The down side of this is that it makes this nation resemble an Orwellian surveillance state.

    What makes this problem worse is that many suburban/rural police departments (the ones without urban ghettos) are concentrating on aggressively attacking working people as a revenue source instead of attacking ghetto crime problems. The overuse of SWAT teams by small police departments for more routine enforcement functions (not armed barricaded situations that they were originally meant for) is also causing a negative reaction to what is termed as militarized police.
    This situation is causing a loss of support & confidence for the police overall, which also affects urban ghetto cops (who have no time for such silly revenue seeking practices, nor care for conducting such petty enforcement when they have real violence to contend with).

    That is why my friend you will never see the Giuliani style of criminal suppression again. This is all going end up playing itself out in another way when afro american violence and entitlements exhausts the resources of this nation; then maybe we will see some sort of correction, but probably not until then.

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    Brilliant analysis. Thank you.
    , @Wally
    Kudos! You nailed it.
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  71. joef says:
    @Anonymous
    Statistics show a peak in this kind of violence in presidential election years.
    Things will calm down a bit afterwards.

    The general trend, however, is the one you say.
    Of course, as long as the side receiving aggression does not react, the aggressors amplify their behaviour.

    as long as the side receiving aggression does not react, the aggressors amplify their behaviour.

    Agreed. Passive behavior towards aggressive criminal behavior only emboldens the aggressor. This passivity is being inculcated into us by academia and MSM (with their preferred goal of complete gun control). Once complete submission with learned helplessness of whites is achieved, there will be no resistance to more failed leftist policies (promoted as being the solution to afro american animosity & violence). Unless you alter the course of a trend line, the projected path of such events can be predicted to their eventual outcome.

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  72. Faust says:
    @tim s
    Neither Jesus nor Will Rogers ever met one of these hood rats. Too bad so many of us want to identify with either or both of those. Our ancestors would be terribly ashamed of their descendants, who let their house get so out of order.

    What now? Noone knows overall, but I'd imagine that many of those Fred knows who don't want to shoot will be changing their minds. Their children certainly won't be so restrained if this keeps up, and for all of the reasons Fred mentions, it shows no signs of letting up.

    The rioting over a justifiable (dare I say desireable) police shooting/killing in Milwaukee? Where are the riots over this burning outrage? Are we too "civilized"? Yes, I admit rioting would be beneath us. Are we too weak? Yes, but not that weak. Give it time....the scales are falling from peoples eyes at a rapid pace.

    It's also not just a black-white problem. NOBODY likes these rats.

    “It’s also not just a black-white problem. NOBODY likes these rats.”

    I would probably be classified as a racist, but I do in fact have several black friends. Their daughters are named Susan, Mary, Margaret. they deride those who give their daughters “isha” names. they declare they would whip their sons before permitting them out of the house with their pants around their knees. They have moved for employment, they struggle to send their kids to better schools.

    I would say these people are not a “problem”, but I wonder. These people are all circa 50. A few years ago I went to a large birthday party, as a “date”, for one of them turning 50. I found that I was the only white person there. Those of an age were all polite and cordial. But their children found it necessary to “bump” into me with greater force and frequency than seemed normal. Has something been lost between generations?

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  73. @unit472
    The money that is subsidizing the negro population is going to run out soon. Given a choice ( and a choice will have to be made) between sending out social security checks and funding Medicaid the US voter is going to fund Social Security. Public school funding in all but the most affluent suburbs will dry up. Local and state government jobs ( and 55% of the black 'middle class' work for the government) will be cut as pension funding eats up revenue. Even Federal employment will have to be cut as revenues shrink and interest payments on the debt consume a larger portion.

    At the end of the day the American negro will be jettisoned from what remains of the economy. That is not a political prediction but an economic reality.

    Excellent post, as it expresses what I in my own way have come to believe: Blacks are a luxury we can no longer afford.

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  74. KenH says:

    The majority of blacks have feelings ranging from resentment to satanic racial hatred of white people. This is also applicable to some of the supposedly “good” middle class blacks. An increase in their political power and influence doesn’t mollify them and only makes them more violent, demanding and incorrigible as we’ve seen with eight years of the strident black nationalist and Muslim coddling Hussein Obama.

    It’s time for a zero tolerance policy towards blacks and they should be herded into concentration camps. And that’s just for starters. It’s time for a trail of tears for the American black population considering all of the hate, crime, violence and damage they’ve inflicted on this nation.

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    Muslim Obama! Proves you're a Faux news idiot!
    , @MarkinLA
    Muslim coddling Hussein Obama

    Muslim Obama!

    What does leaving out important information in your accusations make you?

    , @MarkinLA
    Sorry I meant my reply for Druid. I must have clicked the wrong button.
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  75. KenH says:

    Local and state government jobs ( and 55% of the black ‘middle class’ work for the government) will be cut as pension funding eats up revenue.

    And 45% of blacks “middle class” workers obtained their jobs via affirmative action. The black middle class is an artificial creation that was supposed to bring racial harmony, but has failed miserably since we’ve been plagued with racial violence since 1965 and 95% of blacks voted their racial conscience in the last two elections in supporting Hussein Obama. Even “good blacks” like Colin Powell and Coni Rice.

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  76. Corvinus says:
    @Realist
    " Either they can’t read, don’t read, don’t have access to the internet, or don’t care. As usual, sixty years after Brown vs. the School Board they shout in illiterate semi-English."

    Blacks, are on the average, low IQ. And the problems we are having with blacks Vs whites is the results of mixing low IQ with high IQ.

    “And the problems we are having with blacks Vs whites is the results of mixing low IQ with high IQ.”

    There is no problem, as studies have shown that mixed children increase their IQ scores. See Rowe (2002) and this study, for starters.

    http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/03/mixed-race-people-taller-and-smarter-study-says-5277767/

    Besides, do not white people have the liberty to choose for themselves who they marry and procreate with?

    Or, must they seek your blessing?

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    "There is no problem, as studies have shown that mixed children increase their IQ scores. See Rowe (2002) and this study, for starters."

    My point was to mix culturally not genetically. Whites having children with blacks does lower the IQ of the offspring so much because whites that breed with blacks are mostly from the left side of the bell curve.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Besides, do not white people have the liberty to choose for themselves who they marry and procreate with?
     
    Not if they're closely related, or if they're already married to someone else. A ban on interracial marriages is along the same lines as these other bans. Marriage is either a right, or it isn't.

    Law aside, there are social and moral questions to consider. White and Asian coalburners are engaging in predatory behavior toward an already beleaguered population in the marriage market. It's also legal to sell those people lottery tickets. But it's not moral.

    By the way, speaking of whites' liberty, under the Virginia law thrown out by Loving, whites were the only race unable to marry outside their race. Blacks, Indians, and Asians could marry those of any race, except white. Like men with the military draft, whites were held to higher standards. What's wrong with that?
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  77. Corvinus says:
    @Dave B
    There are two ways out, both are possible if we have the will, neither one likely with large numbers of the population brain-addled by political correctness and other mental diseases. I say let's give the blacks two choices, to be decided in a referendum.

    Choice one is total assimilation into the majority culture. This would start with a full force police and military sweep though all black neighborhoods, rooting out all known and suspected gang members. Instant execution. The remaining blacks would have to learn proper English take normal American names, and take responsibility for themselves. If this means moving 1,000 miles out of the city to harvest crops in a rural state, so be it. Just the way Latinos travel thousands of miles to cross into the US to work. Anyone who violates these rules would be repatriated to whatever African country they wanted.

    The second option is total white removal from their lives. If they hate us so much, so be it, bring back total segregation. No white cops in black neighborhoods. No cops of any color if so desired. Let them make their own rules and do things their own way. Of course, no white interference would also mean no white girls with a bad case of jungle fever entering black neighborhoods to sooth the poor black men, no white money in the form of welfare checks, etc.

    “There are two ways out, both are possible if we have the will, neither one likely with large numbers of the population brain-addled by political correctness and other mental diseases. I say let’s give the blacks two choices, to be decided in a referendum.”

    Who’s collective will? Furthermore, when you characterize that millions of American whites under are mentally ill, you are engaging in anti-white conduct. Turn in your white card at the door, please.

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    Furthermore, when you characterize that millions of American whites under are mentally ill, you are engaging in anti-white conduct
     
    Since when is diagnosis insult?

    The alternative is that whites, at least those at the top, are completely cynical.
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  78. Anon7 says:

    Regarding this statement:

    “The underlying problem that will not go away is that blacks as a race have not shown themselves able to function in a modern society. ”

    This is not quite true, and the experience of blacks in Baltimore is instructive. What happens after white flight from an inner city is followed by black flight from the inner city? Especially now that people have to be smarter to get the jobs that do exist? The following statistics were taken from educational testing done in Baltimore from 1950 to 2010:

    Whereas suburban mean IQs (86 for blacks, 99 for whites) conform more or less to national norms, city IQs are dreadfully low. With a mean IQ of 76, inner-city blacks fall about 0.6 SD below the African American average nationally. More than a third have death-penalty immunity on grounds of mental retardation. The inner-city white mean of 86 is nearly a full standard deviation below the national white average.

    http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/city.htm

    What has occurred is that we have separated blacks into two groups; those who can to some extent fit into 21st century America, and the poor people stuck in the inner cities who can’t. With a mean IQ of 76, half of all inner city blacks may be eligible for disability for mental retardation alone. Inciting these people to riot by telling them with every available media outlet that white people are responsible for their plight is reprehensible. If you encountered these disabled people one at a time, you’d say they needed to be institutionalized and cared for. What you do with an entire city, well, that’s the problem.

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  79. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Fred does not take this to its logical conclusion.

    The way this ends is the way it ended in Europe with America being Balkanized into different countries.

    It’s almost like it is being designed this way. Hmm I wonder who is behind it?

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  80. syonredux says:
    @joef
    Not as a low bar as you think. I lived next to both type of communities for a long time.
    The mainland hispanics do not bother anyone with aggressive panhandling like the afro americans do.
    They maintain their homes & neighborhoods in a clean and orderly manner unlike most afro americans.
    They do not routinely litter nor do they publicly urinate (except when the young males are intox on a weekend night) like afro americans do.
    They are always working or looking for work.
    They do not drive as recklessly as afro americans do.
    The males have a sense of responsibility towards the financial upkeep of their family (& offspring) unlike most of the afro americans males.
    They are more polite than afro americans and commit less crimes overall.
    If you lived next to both, the contrast is striking. The outliers are the violent hispanic drug gangs that our govt negligently allowed to migrate inside this country.

    I rather keep my eye on the ball of where our primary problems are, rather than worry about the hispanic not being perfect.
    The real problem is that afro americans kill more people in this country than any other group (including terrorism)! On top of that, their entitlements is placing a huge financial burden upon the rest of us. And for all this they show no contrition, nor any appreciation. They just demand more more more with no end in sight.
    The leftist produced racial balkanization with afro americans, coupled with economic problems of our glorified national ponzi scheme, is a recipe for disaster for this nation.

    If you lived next to both, the contrast is striking.

    I have lived in both Black and Mestizo/Amerind Hispanic neighborhoods. The Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds are better than Blacks, but that’s hardly a point of distinction, as Blacks are quite dysfunctional.

    I rather keep my eye on the ball of where our primary problems are, rather than worry about the hispanic not being perfect.

    Hispanics are the primary problem. Look at the demographic projections:

    The share of the population that is Hispanic has been steadily increasing over the past half century. In 2014, Hispanics made up 17.3% of the total U.S. population, up from 3.5% in 1960. According to the latest projections from the U.S. Census Bureau (2014), the Hispanic share of the U.S. population is expected to reach 28.6% by 2060.

    hispanic.org/2016/04/19/statistical-portrait-of-hispanics-in-the-united-states-key-charts/ >http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/04/19/statistical-portrait-of-hispanics-in-the-united-states-key-charts/

    And if you want to know what that means for Anglo-America, read this book:

    Generations of Exclusion:

    Generations of Exclusion measures Mexican American integration across a wide number of dimensions: education, English and Spanish language use, socioeconomic status, intermarriage, residential segregation, ethnic identity, and political participation. The study contains some encouraging findings, but many more that are troubling. Linguistically, Mexican Americans assimilate into mainstream America quite well—by the second generation, nearly all Mexican Americans achieve English proficiency. In many domains, however, the Mexican American story doesn’t fit with traditional models of assimilation. The majority of fourth generation Mexican Americans continue to live in Hispanic neighborhoods, marry other Hispanics, and think of themselves as Mexican. And while Mexican Americans make financial strides from the first to the second generation, economic progress halts at the second generation, and poverty rates remain high for later generations. Similarly, educational attainment peaks among second generation children of immigrants, but declines for the third and fourth generations.

    https://www.amazon.com/Generations-Exclusion-Mexican-Americans-Assimilation-Race/dp/0871548496

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    I understand what you are saying. But I still believe the overall & per capita destruction from afro americans in terms of crime and entitlements far exceeds the Hispanics. Hispanics are interested in working to make money, whereas afro americans are interested in revolution. Hispanics are able to support themselves, whereas many afro americans cannot, are ungrateful dependents, and are a huge economic burden. Afro americans are completely obsessed with race, whereas Hispanics are interested in going about their business. Generally Hispanics do not need us to fawn on them, whereas afro americans demand constant pandering and appeasement.
    Again data shows that afro americans kill more people in this nation than any other group.

    If you removed the criminal gang factor from the Hispanic immigration population, the main problem would be their entering this nation illegally in violation of our immigration laws. But who's fault is that? I say its our liberal elites and our Federal govt who is allowing this to happen (with corporatist encouragement for cheap labor). The illegal Hispanic immigrant is just seizing the opportunity to make some money, mostly out of desperation. If this country declines further economically, and/or we tightened regulations/enforcement regarding immigration & remittances, the problem will mostly solve itself by their returning back to their country of origin.

    However the exception that will not fix itself is the criminal gangs. They are not here to send money back home for their families; they are here to exploit us through organized crime activities. If we tightened immigration regs, that will not affect the gangs desire to stay/leave this nation. However that is where we should have placed our most ardent focus. Our first priority should be to send back illegal immigrant felons, as soon as they finish their criminal prison sentence. But we are not doing that, and it begs the question 'why'?

    Maybe we should think about Presidential and State Governor oaths of office where they pledge to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. Maybe its time to declare war on our domestic enemies of dangerous criminal gangs and other violent revolutionaries. And then if the leftist get in the way, we should charge them with treason.
    Can only dream, because we all know it will never happen. We are headed to destruction, and currently the main group I see rioting, looting, and committing arson in our cities are afro americans (even after natural disasters like Katrina). They are doing this when times are relatively good, just wait to see what they will do when times are bad.

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  81. Realist says:
    @Corvinus
    "And the problems we are having with blacks Vs whites is the results of mixing low IQ with high IQ."

    There is no problem, as studies have shown that mixed children increase their IQ scores. See Rowe (2002) and this study, for starters.

    http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/03/mixed-race-people-taller-and-smarter-study-says-5277767/

    Besides, do not white people have the liberty to choose for themselves who they marry and procreate with?

    Or, must they seek your blessing?

    “There is no problem, as studies have shown that mixed children increase their IQ scores. See Rowe (2002) and this study, for starters.”

    My point was to mix culturally not genetically. Whites having children with blacks does lower the IQ of the offspring so much because whites that breed with blacks are mostly from the left side of the bell curve.

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  82. joef says:
    @syonredux

    If you lived next to both, the contrast is striking.
     
    I have lived in both Black and Mestizo/Amerind Hispanic neighborhoods. The Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds are better than Blacks, but that's hardly a point of distinction, as Blacks are quite dysfunctional.

    I rather keep my eye on the ball of where our primary problems are, rather than worry about the hispanic not being perfect.
     
    Hispanics are the primary problem. Look at the demographic projections:

    The share of the population that is Hispanic has been steadily increasing over the past half century. In 2014, Hispanics made up 17.3% of the total U.S. population, up from 3.5% in 1960. According to the latest projections from the U.S. Census Bureau (2014), the Hispanic share of the U.S. population is expected to reach 28.6% by 2060.
     
    hispanic.org/2016/04/19/statistical-portrait-of-hispanics-in-the-united-states-key-charts/ >http://www.pewhispanic.org/2016/04/19/statistical-portrait-of-hispanics-in-the-united-states-key-charts/

    And if you want to know what that means for Anglo-America, read this book:

    Generations of Exclusion:

    Generations of Exclusion measures Mexican American integration across a wide number of dimensions: education, English and Spanish language use, socioeconomic status, intermarriage, residential segregation, ethnic identity, and political participation. The study contains some encouraging findings, but many more that are troubling. Linguistically, Mexican Americans assimilate into mainstream America quite well—by the second generation, nearly all Mexican Americans achieve English proficiency. In many domains, however, the Mexican American story doesn’t fit with traditional models of assimilation. The majority of fourth generation Mexican Americans continue to live in Hispanic neighborhoods, marry other Hispanics, and think of themselves as Mexican. And while Mexican Americans make financial strides from the first to the second generation, economic progress halts at the second generation, and poverty rates remain high for later generations. Similarly, educational attainment peaks among second generation children of immigrants, but declines for the third and fourth generations.
     
    https://www.amazon.com/Generations-Exclusion-Mexican-Americans-Assimilation-Race/dp/0871548496

    I understand what you are saying. But I still believe the overall & per capita destruction from afro americans in terms of crime and entitlements far exceeds the Hispanics. Hispanics are interested in working to make money, whereas afro americans are interested in revolution. Hispanics are able to support themselves, whereas many afro americans cannot, are ungrateful dependents, and are a huge economic burden. Afro americans are completely obsessed with race, whereas Hispanics are interested in going about their business. Generally Hispanics do not need us to fawn on them, whereas afro americans demand constant pandering and appeasement.
    Again data shows that afro americans kill more people in this nation than any other group.

    If you removed the criminal gang factor from the Hispanic immigration population, the main problem would be their entering this nation illegally in violation of our immigration laws. But who’s fault is that? I say its our liberal elites and our Federal govt who is allowing this to happen (with corporatist encouragement for cheap labor). The illegal Hispanic immigrant is just seizing the opportunity to make some money, mostly out of desperation. If this country declines further economically, and/or we tightened regulations/enforcement regarding immigration & remittances, the problem will mostly solve itself by their returning back to their country of origin.

    However the exception that will not fix itself is the criminal gangs. They are not here to send money back home for their families; they are here to exploit us through organized crime activities. If we tightened immigration regs, that will not affect the gangs desire to stay/leave this nation. However that is where we should have placed our most ardent focus. Our first priority should be to send back illegal immigrant felons, as soon as they finish their criminal prison sentence. But we are not doing that, and it begs the question ‘why’?

    Maybe we should think about Presidential and State Governor oaths of office where they pledge to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. Maybe its time to declare war on our domestic enemies of dangerous criminal gangs and other violent revolutionaries. And then if the leftist get in the way, we should charge them with treason.
    Can only dream, because we all know it will never happen. We are headed to destruction, and currently the main group I see rioting, looting, and committing arson in our cities are afro americans (even after natural disasters like Katrina). They are doing this when times are relatively good, just wait to see what they will do when times are bad.

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    I understand what you are saying. But I still believe the overall & per capita destruction from afro americans in terms of crime and entitlements far exceeds the Hispanics.
     
    I'm more concerned with the threat posed by the growing Hispanic population in the USA. As previously noted, they are expected to be 28.6% of the US population by 2060. According to this rather authoritative study, Hispanic IQ in the USA is 10.8 points below the White Anglo mean....

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/05/white-v-hispanic-iq-gap-across-39.html

    The Anglo-American future is looking quite bleak.
    , @TheJester
    Ths Hispanics also organize for self-help, which includes everything from doctors, to lawyers, to auto mechanics. Hispanics have their own underground economy. Most important, Hispanics do not riot and are not a permanent welfare class.

    If their IQs are on average 10 points below the average citizen of northern European extraction, that is at least enough to participate in an industrial (or, I should rather say post-industrial) economy. (That cannot be said of the Blacks.) Therefore, I do not see the the future as bleak for Anglo-Americans with controlled Hispanic immigration.

    It is also a closed case that encouraging more immigration from northern Europe would solve the problem of low birth rates among Anglo-Americans and other Americans of European extraction. The Europeans have ALL caught the liberal disease of individualism and feminism, too. Western civilization is a dying civilization. Importing more Europeans would only create more liberal/progressive voters who believe in globalism and the equality of all racial extractions, cultures, and religions. Faced with this, Hispanics will do just nicely ... thank you.
    , @Ron Unz

    I understand what you are saying. But I still believe the overall & per capita destruction from afro americans in terms of crime and entitlements far exceeds the Hispanics.
     
    The problem is that our friend "syonredux" is some sort of nutty and innumerate English-lit major, who endlessly spams comment-threads with the same repeated quotes, sometimes very long ones taken straight from Wikipedia. His/her opinions on any racial issues are essentially worthless.

    Here's a simple experiment anyone interested exploring these issues can easily undertake...

    As all of you know, there are lots and lots of racialist/Alt-Right/WN websites on the Internet, websites that enormously dislike both blacks and Hispanics and are always looking for examples of their bad behavior to highlight. Yet although these websites are overflowing with news reports of blacks beating, robbing, raping, or killing innocent whites, they seem to have an *incredibly* difficult time finding similar stories about Hispanics, with articles about the latter often restricted to some prominent Hispanic figure caught making some mildly disparaging remarks about whites or maybe insulting Donald Trump. Indeed, they're so hard-up to find any Hispanics who killed innocent whites that they're usually forced to include drunk-drivers, which isn't exactly the same thing, given how many whites get into such crashes as well. My guess is the ratio of "bad behavior" stories between blacks and Hispanics is something like 20x, 30x, maybe 50x. Consider also that detecting Hispanic crimes in the MSM is much easier since almost all Hispanics have distinctive names while a good fraction of blacks have typically Anglo-Saxon ones, and can't be detected without photos.

    So we must conclude either that VDare, Jared Taylor, and all the other racialist, anti-Hispanic websites are unaccountably covering-up serious Hispanic misbehavior, or maybe there really isn't all that much of it. You might also want to take a look at the major quantitiative articles I've myself published on this topic:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    http://www.unz.com/article/race-and-crime-in-america/
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  83. Michelle says:

    Unfortunately, many African-Americans are descended from very, very bad white people. Fact! I have been reading, with great fascination, the court petitions filed in the south during the slave era. My God are the petitions illuminating. Many white women were horrifically abused by husbands who married them merely to get their hands on their property and often on their wives’ female slaves. Many of the white men who clearly preferred “Congress” with Black female slaves were violent, sadistic, abusive drunkards. Quite a few men who were the first immigrants to the US and the Caribbean, were sent there by their families because of their scandalous behaviors back in Britain. This DNA runs in the veins of American Blacks. They should pay themselves reparations. After all, their direct ancestors were actually slave owners.

    Illuminating also, are the many petitions by white men for divorces because their wives are engaged in intercourse with Black and Mulatto men. Many white women were accused of birthing Black and Mulatto babies in the early 1800′s.

    https://library.uncg.edu/slavery/petitions/results.aspx?s=3&sid=65

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    Why do you capitalize black but not white? You sound like a concern troll. Absurd speculations don't make science. How about Aas are descended from Very Bad "Black" since enen their own kind sold them.
    , @schmenz
    At the very least, Michelle, these statements deserve an awfully large amount of scrutiny by unbiased researchers.
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  84. syonredux says:
    @joef
    I understand what you are saying. But I still believe the overall & per capita destruction from afro americans in terms of crime and entitlements far exceeds the Hispanics. Hispanics are interested in working to make money, whereas afro americans are interested in revolution. Hispanics are able to support themselves, whereas many afro americans cannot, are ungrateful dependents, and are a huge economic burden. Afro americans are completely obsessed with race, whereas Hispanics are interested in going about their business. Generally Hispanics do not need us to fawn on them, whereas afro americans demand constant pandering and appeasement.
    Again data shows that afro americans kill more people in this nation than any other group.

    If you removed the criminal gang factor from the Hispanic immigration population, the main problem would be their entering this nation illegally in violation of our immigration laws. But who's fault is that? I say its our liberal elites and our Federal govt who is allowing this to happen (with corporatist encouragement for cheap labor). The illegal Hispanic immigrant is just seizing the opportunity to make some money, mostly out of desperation. If this country declines further economically, and/or we tightened regulations/enforcement regarding immigration & remittances, the problem will mostly solve itself by their returning back to their country of origin.

    However the exception that will not fix itself is the criminal gangs. They are not here to send money back home for their families; they are here to exploit us through organized crime activities. If we tightened immigration regs, that will not affect the gangs desire to stay/leave this nation. However that is where we should have placed our most ardent focus. Our first priority should be to send back illegal immigrant felons, as soon as they finish their criminal prison sentence. But we are not doing that, and it begs the question 'why'?

    Maybe we should think about Presidential and State Governor oaths of office where they pledge to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. Maybe its time to declare war on our domestic enemies of dangerous criminal gangs and other violent revolutionaries. And then if the leftist get in the way, we should charge them with treason.
    Can only dream, because we all know it will never happen. We are headed to destruction, and currently the main group I see rioting, looting, and committing arson in our cities are afro americans (even after natural disasters like Katrina). They are doing this when times are relatively good, just wait to see what they will do when times are bad.

    I understand what you are saying. But I still believe the overall & per capita destruction from afro americans in terms of crime and entitlements far exceeds the Hispanics.

    I’m more concerned with the threat posed by the growing Hispanic population in the USA. As previously noted, they are expected to be 28.6% of the US population by 2060. According to this rather authoritative study, Hispanic IQ in the USA is 10.8 points below the White Anglo mean….

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/05/white-v-hispanic-iq-gap-across-39.html

    The Anglo-American future is looking quite bleak.

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  85. rod1963 says:
    @joef
    The leftist elites will never allow either option. This whole thing is like a runaway train heading off a cliff. I wish that the rest of us, who were not responsible for this racial mess, were not on it, but unfortunately we are. But the leftist are not the only enablers to this situation, it is also the materialistic myopic white suburban egoist who want to appear fashionable by having liberal ideas.
    I believe the large scale racial violence is almost inevitable at this point. If it takes radical afro americans taking it to the suburbs to wake up these ignorant suburbanites (who never had the afro american ghetto at their doorstep) then so be it; let them suffer like the rest of us.

    When society becomes dysfunctional and a species go beyond their own carrying capacity , a correction occurs with a corresponding die off. Since liberal whites make good victims, and radical afro americans have very limited ability to care of themselves, the resulting die off will mostly affect the people who have caused this dysfunctional mess. But it will also adversely affect the rest of us as well. The leftist have released the social dogs of (race) war upon us all, with their silly social experimentation, its only fitting that they suffer the consequences for it.

    When the train goes off the rails I agree most of the urban whites that are responsible for keeping Dems in power will be the first to be slaughtered. The gentrifiers will be the first in line of them to get it.

    Here on the West Coast it also means the all those rich whites living in beachfront homes and exclusive communities where you have to be a multimillionaire to live there are going to be targets. These and those palatial estates will be like magnets to those inner city mobs and gangs. What the rich don’t know is that the police aren’t going to be around if things get real bad.

    Couldn’t happen to a better bunch though. Most of them bankrolled the Democratic party and their agenda. If they get eaten, no great loss.

    If we lose a couple dozen cities to a race war, I’d say it’s no great loss as our cities have become giant unmanageable, corrupt pest holes, full of hostile 3rd worlders and run by the Democratic party machine.

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    If we lose a couple dozen cities to a race war, I’d say it’s no great loss as our cities have become giant unmanageable, corrupt pest holes, full of hostile 3rd worlders and run by the Democratic party machine.
     
    Wouldn't that be more of a "good" thing than "bad" thing? How many affluent beachfront property owners might survive a race war with a changed outlook?

    IMO, the rich are the problem -- the source of the problem at base. A brief and violent conflict that kills many rich serves to "boil off" and resolve tensions. The aftermath is where learning takes place and has beneficial effect.
    , @joef
    Agreed and the conditions you describe are also relevant to BosWash area as well. We have an economic and social cancer, and ignoring it will not make it go away. The reset will happen anyway, and the reset delayed, by the libs intentionally disregarding it, will be even worse.
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  86. edNels [AKA "geoshmoe"] says:
    @Realist
    " Either they can’t read, don’t read, don’t have access to the internet, or don’t care. As usual, sixty years after Brown vs. the School Board they shout in illiterate semi-English."

    Blacks, are on the average, low IQ. And the problems we are having with blacks Vs whites is the results of mixing low IQ with high IQ.

    Blacks, are on the average, low IQ. And the problems we are having with blacks Vs whites is the results of mixing low IQ with high IQ.

    Oh yeah right! those white bimbo whores that be mixin da genes is all geniuses ever one! Ever one is more smarter than the next, until they get up to about 80 %tile!

    Hell if Blacks would think about it a little, why not get a black hottie, they got some smoking’ women.

    It’s sort of a sad thing when anybody of either sex or background has to climb up socially through marriage, but go tell it on mountain. and there isn’t so much social mobility as was advertised.

    But that’s what mostly is what is the reason for cross hybridizing these days. A way to step up. It must take a cast iron stomach to to that, ya know, ”guess who’s comming fer dinner?”

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    You need to read my post #81
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  87. @Truth
    At the peak of black slavery in the South, only 6 percent of Southern whites owned slaves. If you include the white people in the North, it means that only 1.4 percent of white Americans owned black slaves at the HEIGHT of slavery.


    Six percent of southern white PEOPLE, %33 of southern white FAMILIES, Grasshopper, and in the lower south, almost HALF:

    http://civilwarcauses.org/stat.htm

    What’s the definition of a family? A single-family household?

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    Well, if a man and his wife have 6 children, that is a family; so you can probably see why only 6% of SOUTHERNERS owned blacks but 1/3 of southern FAMILIES.
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  88. Whereas long-standing conflicts between blacks and police recently have gained prominence in the news, and, whereas those conflicts do seem interminable they don’t justify ignoring all the progress in race relations that I’ve seen in my now 64 year lifetime.

    In my youth, anyone who called a black man “Sir” might very well be beaten up by whites. I call every man, even small male children of every race “Sir” with impunity now.

    In my high school years I knew only one black student out of many hundreds. Today, my children attend school with many and there are very few race-based altercations.

    During my service years (Marine Infantry Officer), I served with many Black Marines, officers and enlisted men. They were no different than any other Marines. They shared similar promise and experienced similar success and failure as any white Marine.

    Today and in my rather affluent neighborhood there are many black families and on my street alone (about 25 homes) there are three. All these families are led by a mother and father and often both are college educated and work in highly professional positions of responsibility. In my youth, no blacks lived anywhere near us.

    Unlike the author, I’m not troubled by how they speak, what they name their children and how they wear their hair. I’m surprised anyone is troubled by those things.

    I think there’s been a lot of progress. I think that progress will continue. I’m glad for that.

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    Sir - since I was on the other side of the coin in the USMC infantry- enlisted, and I can tell you that issues regarding race were a bit different than your perspective. Individual blacks that I served with in my various Weapons Company assignments were ok. These were the cream of the crop in some ways, mortarmen and Dragon gunners but the blacks in the line companies were a different story. I had several racial incidents with them usually involving large groups of them ambushing hapless whites (once on ship and once in town) and they held a racial resentment that I, as a suburban white person had never experienced. The experiences of an officer and enlisted man are radically different.

    My last few years in the USMC (80-84)saw an improvement since the rebuild of the military was underway and standards raised. The USMC in the late '70s was in desperate shape and part of that was because of race relations.
    , @Inque Yutani
    Thing *were* getting better, but identity politics came along and is dissolving all the progress on contact. Don't worry- it's all coming to an affluent suburban bubble like yours soon.
    , @Fred Reed
    The problem is not the successful ten percent or so, but the huge, unsuccessful, homogeneously black inner cities that are neither shrinking nor advancing academically. Where these will be if fifty or a hundred years, especially given a declining economy, I don't know, but whatever is going to happen will happen within a decade or two. Living in prosperous suburbs obscures the fact that there are apparently irremediably unsproperous and very angry ghettos. There's the rub.
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  89. Realist says:
    @edNels

    Blacks, are on the average, low IQ. And the problems we are having with blacks Vs whites is the results of mixing low IQ with high IQ.
     
    Oh yeah right! those white bimbo whores that be mixin da genes is all geniuses ever one! Ever one is more smarter than the next, until they get up to about 80 %tile!

    Hell if Blacks would think about it a little, why not get a black hottie, they got some smoking' women.

    It's sort of a sad thing when anybody of either sex or background has to climb up socially through marriage, but go tell it on mountain. and there isn't so much social mobility as was advertised.

    But that's what mostly is what is the reason for cross hybridizing these days. A way to step up. It must take a cast iron stomach to to that, ya know, ''guess who's comming fer dinner?"

    You need to read my post #81

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  90. Olorin says:
    @Anonymous
    What's the path forward?

    According to Pew about 1/4 of black male newlyweds in 2013 married white women or a different race. Most black men don't marry so this isn't representative of young blacks in America but shows an unmistakably rising trend towards race mixing between whites and blacks.

    With enough time (over 100 years) American blacks will be absorbed into white America through interracial marriage and dating.

    Caribbean blacks have already been absorbed into the white majority in the UK. Hardly any young full blooded Caribbean children in the UK anymore. That only took 2 generations.

    Yah, coz mixed race blacks have proven to be such stellar members of the citizenry.

    Your soft genocide Rx is entirely uninformed by hard genetics.

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    It's nothing like genocide. There will still be a white majority in America in 2100 because other races were absorbed into the white majority. Someone with 1/4 brown Hispanic ancestry looks white and never considers himself non-white unless a member of a state legislature or university professor where there are brownie points for Hispanics.

    (Hispanics don't get many points relative to blacks so outside of these limited circumstances there are few of these kinds of partial Hispanics who claim to be anything but white.)

    Put it another way. America used to be solidly of Nordic stock (Nordic being anywhere in central or northwest Europe). Now whites in America are a mix of Med and Nordic. Was that genocide of the Nordic race?

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  91. Truth says:
    @Eric Novak
    What's the definition of a family? A single-family household?

    Well, if a man and his wife have 6 children, that is a family; so you can probably see why only 6% of SOUTHERNERS owned blacks but 1/3 of southern FAMILIES.

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  92. Dr. X says:

    Jefferson accurately summarized the problem 230 years ago: “We have a wolf by the ears.”

    He knew that this cannot end well.

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  93. @Jim Sweeney
    Those high IQ whitebreads who cannot yet spell imminent should be disbarred from posting. and returned to the fourth grade It makes their argument about dumb blacks risible.

    Fred is right though. There is no solution to this matter absent some deus ex machina. A nuclear attack on the US might unify us in self-preservation but, under the foreseeable conditions, there's no foreseeable assimilation.

    More than discouraging indeed. And sad beyond measure.

    “Immanent” and “imminent” are two separate words with distinct meanings. That might be high school material, so perhaps you missed it.

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    “Immanent” and “imminent” are two separate words with distinct meanings. That might be high school material, so perhaps you missed it.
     
    Uh-huh. Imminence is not immanent, but immanence is always imminent.

    That's a semantic joke. I will explain, if necessary.
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  94. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Michelle
    Unfortunately, many African-Americans are descended from very, very bad white people. Fact! I have been reading, with great fascination, the court petitions filed in the south during the slave era. My God are the petitions illuminating. Many white women were horrifically abused by husbands who married them merely to get their hands on their property and often on their wives' female slaves. Many of the white men who clearly preferred "Congress" with Black female slaves were violent, sadistic, abusive drunkards. Quite a few men who were the first immigrants to the US and the Caribbean, were sent there by their families because of their scandalous behaviors back in Britain. This DNA runs in the veins of American Blacks. They should pay themselves reparations. After all, their direct ancestors were actually slave owners.

    Illuminating also, are the many petitions by white men for divorces because their wives are engaged in intercourse with Black and Mulatto men. Many white women were accused of birthing Black and Mulatto babies in the early 1800's.

    https://library.uncg.edu/slavery/petitions/results.aspx?s=3&sid=65

    Why do you capitalize black but not white? You sound like a concern troll. Absurd speculations don’t make science. How about Aas are descended from Very Bad “Black” since enen their own kind sold them.

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    I have been through this subject before. Capitalizing Black is grammatically correct. Address my points not my grammar. Grammar police are notoriously liberal in persuasion.
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  95. @Corvinus
    "There are two ways out, both are possible if we have the will, neither one likely with large numbers of the population brain-addled by political correctness and other mental diseases. I say let’s give the blacks two choices, to be decided in a referendum."

    Who's collective will? Furthermore, when you characterize that millions of American whites under are mentally ill, you are engaging in anti-white conduct. Turn in your white card at the door, please.

    Furthermore, when you characterize that millions of American whites under are mentally ill, you are engaging in anti-white conduct

    Since when is diagnosis insult?

    The alternative is that whites, at least those at the top, are completely cynical.

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  96. @Corvinus
    "And the problems we are having with blacks Vs whites is the results of mixing low IQ with high IQ."

    There is no problem, as studies have shown that mixed children increase their IQ scores. See Rowe (2002) and this study, for starters.

    http://metro.co.uk/2015/07/03/mixed-race-people-taller-and-smarter-study-says-5277767/

    Besides, do not white people have the liberty to choose for themselves who they marry and procreate with?

    Or, must they seek your blessing?

    Besides, do not white people have the liberty to choose for themselves who they marry and procreate with?

    Not if they’re closely related, or if they’re already married to someone else. A ban on interracial marriages is along the same lines as these other bans. Marriage is either a right, or it isn’t.

    Law aside, there are social and moral questions to consider. White and Asian coalburners are engaging in predatory behavior toward an already beleaguered population in the marriage market. It’s also legal to sell those people lottery tickets. But it’s not moral.

    By the way, speaking of whites’ liberty, under the Virginia law thrown out by Loving, whites were the only race unable to marry outside their race. Blacks, Indians, and Asians could marry those of any race, except white. Like men with the military draft, whites were held to higher standards. What’s wrong with that?

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    Besides, do not white people have the liberty to choose for themselves who they marry and procreate with?

     

    Not if they’re closely related, or if they’re already married to someone else. A ban on interracial marriages is along the same lines as these other bans. Marriage is either a right, or it isn’t.
     
    Laws against incest (cousin marriage, etc.) do not establish a case based on rights. In terms of human rights, cousins have every "right" to marry, for any of many reasons, religion being just one.
    , @Corvinus
    "Since when is diagnosis insult?"

    Except it's not a diagnosis, it's a wild generalization. It's intellectually sterile when a leftist or rightist characterizes their opponent as being "mentally ill".

    "Not if they’re closely related, or if they’re already married to someone else."

    I wasn't referring to cousin marriage, the topic at hand was whether a white is able to marry a non-white. Stay on task.

    "A ban on interracial marriages is along the same lines as these other bans. Marriage is either a right, or it isn’t."

    Do you even comprehend life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? An unrelated white person choosing to have offspring with an unrelated non-white, and vice versa, is a fundamental right. Only a fascist would seek to ban interracial marriages.

    "Law aside, there are social and moral questions to consider. White and Asian coalburners are engaging in predatory behavior toward an already beleaguered population in the marriage market."

    You're going to have to offer specific instances of this alleged "predatory behavior" rather than make unfounded accusations.

    "By the way, speaking of whites’ liberty, under the Virginia law thrown out by Loving, whites were the only race unable to marry outside their race. Blacks, Indians, and Asians could marry those of any race, except white. Like men with the military draft, whites were held to higher standards. What’s wrong with that?"

    The human race supersedes individual races.

    Remember, Moses' wife was of another race. In Numbers 12:1-15, Aaron and Miriam were punished for criticizing this interracial marriage. Colossians 3:11 makes it clear that from God's perspective all are one in Christ. The Bible is clear that when both parties are believers (equally yoked), interracial marriage is not wrong.
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  97. WJ says:
    @pyrrhus
    Pretty hilarious, given that the Indians and (fill in the blank with any group) got the land by pushing out or genociding the people who were there before them. For example, the Early European Farmers were virtually wiped out by the northern peoples who came after them...and what is the karmic position of the African tribes who sold (and still sell) their own people into slavery?

    Don’t you know that the “Native Americans” crossed the land bridge in an organized fashion and systematically allocated the newly found lands of N.A. , by democratic decree? They were a peaceful enlightened people until the European invaders came.

    The suckers that got Patagonia just had the bad luck of the draw and they are in the Southern tip of South America not because they were pushed there after thousands of years of warfare, but only because they held a referendum and chose to go to that cold, harsh land.

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  98. @joef
    Slavery was mostly involved with southern agriculture, not northern manufacturing, which has more to thank to Hamilton than anything else.
    Being maimed and killed in the Civil War is by far a worse individual outcome than a lash. Many who did suffer death and maiming by the Civil War had nothing to do with slavery (with exception of those who believe in the nonsense about collective guilt). The Civil War veterans sacrificed their lives to free the slaves, therefor reparations have been paid. Further the current afro americans were never slaves, and should have no claim for reparations anyway; as well as no American citizen today was ever a slave owner thus are not responsible to pay for such reparations (especially since many of their ancestors immigrated after the Civil War).

    The Civil War veterans sacrificed their lives to free the slaves,

    For most of them this is wrong. The War of Northern Aggression was fought over Lincoln’s desire to keep the wealth of the South flowing north to support Yankee industry. Lincoln went to war to keep the custom house in Charleston Harbor open, not to free the slaves. Freeing the slaves was a wartime ploy to keep the British and French from coming in to help the Confederate States.

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    Yes that is true, but the side benefit was the freedom of afro americans (which was probably going to eventually happen anyway, but the Civil War caused it to happen earlier). The Civil War was really not completely about slavery, but nevertheless it provided the result of the end of slavery in the USA (even if unintentional the result was the same).
    My real point is that if radical afro american activist are going to demand illegitimate claims of reparations from current society, then I will advanced that the reparations were already paid up by the deaths of 600,000 whites which resulted in the freedom of afro american slaves (even if not the primary reason for the Civil War, which was states rights and tariffs).
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  99. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Olorin
    Yah, coz mixed race blacks have proven to be such stellar members of the citizenry.

    Your soft genocide Rx is entirely uninformed by hard genetics.

    It’s nothing like genocide. There will still be a white majority in America in 2100 because other races were absorbed into the white majority. Someone with 1/4 brown Hispanic ancestry looks white and never considers himself non-white unless a member of a state legislature or university professor where there are brownie points for Hispanics.

    (Hispanics don’t get many points relative to blacks so outside of these limited circumstances there are few of these kinds of partial Hispanics who claim to be anything but white.)

    Put it another way. America used to be solidly of Nordic stock (Nordic being anywhere in central or northwest Europe). Now whites in America are a mix of Med and Nordic. Was that genocide of the Nordic race?

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  100. WJ says:
    @Longfisher
    Whereas long-standing conflicts between blacks and police recently have gained prominence in the news, and, whereas those conflicts do seem interminable they don't justify ignoring all the progress in race relations that I've seen in my now 64 year lifetime.

    In my youth, anyone who called a black man "Sir" might very well be beaten up by whites. I call every man, even small male children of every race "Sir" with impunity now.

    In my high school years I knew only one black student out of many hundreds. Today, my children attend school with many and there are very few race-based altercations.

    During my service years (Marine Infantry Officer), I served with many Black Marines, officers and enlisted men. They were no different than any other Marines. They shared similar promise and experienced similar success and failure as any white Marine.

    Today and in my rather affluent neighborhood there are many black families and on my street alone (about 25 homes) there are three. All these families are led by a mother and father and often both are college educated and work in highly professional positions of responsibility. In my youth, no blacks lived anywhere near us.

    Unlike the author, I'm not troubled by how they speak, what they name their children and how they wear their hair. I'm surprised anyone is troubled by those things.

    I think there's been a lot of progress. I think that progress will continue. I'm glad for that.

    Sir – since I was on the other side of the coin in the USMC infantry- enlisted, and I can tell you that issues regarding race were a bit different than your perspective. Individual blacks that I served with in my various Weapons Company assignments were ok. These were the cream of the crop in some ways, mortarmen and Dragon gunners but the blacks in the line companies were a different story. I had several racial incidents with them usually involving large groups of them ambushing hapless whites (once on ship and once in town) and they held a racial resentment that I, as a suburban white person had never experienced. The experiences of an officer and enlisted man are radically different.

    My last few years in the USMC (80-84)saw an improvement since the rebuild of the military was underway and standards raised. The USMC in the late ’70s was in desperate shape and part of that was because of race relations.

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    Longfisher's comment of:

    During my service years (Marine Infantry Officer), I served with many Black Marines, officers and enlisted men. They were no different than any other Marines. They shared similar promise and experienced similar success and failure as any white Marine.

     

    is because they are taking the best and brightest among the pool, and the USMC is a controlled environment, not the natural habitat of the ghetto radical afro american.

    My experience growing up in the large urban environment in the BosWash area is the same as yours WJ. I have relatives & friends from all over this area, and no matter where you go (Bronx, Brooklyn, Newark, Philadelphia, Boston, Hartford, etc) the story was always the same.

    Your experience re: the way ghetto afro americans attack is exactly what they do. They attack only when they have an unfair advantage, by either outnumbering, being armed, being larger, or by ambushing their opponent. They are generally predatory bullies who are afraid to fight without some sort of unfair advantage [however the exception/outlier is the tougher ones who are usually the ones who run the corners in the black ghettos, because they are willing to fight under any circumstances]. Its just part of the ghetto afro american culture in general that they are adverse to any difficulties, and want everything easily handed to them. Most of them do not really have the disposition to tough anything out.

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  101. macilrae says:

    Part of the reason ‘liberals’ disavow what Fred is saying is because bringing such facts (and they are indisputable facts) into the mainstream is supremely demotivating to those blacks who are struggling to escape and to find acceptance and prosperity in close association with the rest of society.

    If there is any hope at all for a change it must come from a small minority willing themselves out of the hell-holes and setting an example: it is they whom the more enlightened liberals seek to support – at present by misguided means.

    It is also supremely demotivating to whites when the toxic culture of the ghettos is upheld and celebrated by the pop industry and inculcated into their children – and when the media practise reverse-racism with their present impunity.

    Therefore, I say we should not bring our rage to bear on “blacks” en bloque but, instead, focus it on that hideous culture and, particularly, on those who seek to promote it in a misguided attempt at social engineering or, often, for political or financial gain.

    The refusal of mainstream thinking to accept things as they really are; that the culture must change; brings about the kind of intense frustration that Fred and the majority of respondents here are expressing and in which I certainly share.

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    "Therefore, I say we should not bring our rage to bear on “blacks” en bloque but, instead, focus it on that hideous culture ...."


    The hip- hop thug culture, revolves around drunkenness and sluttiness.

    That Beyonce is a putana.

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  102. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Jim Christian
    Anonymous just trolled you guys.

    Fred asked what path forward was there. Can you possibly think of any other path than absorbing blacks? Considering the gradual increase in interracial marriage/dating between blacks and whites/other races, this is also a realistic forecast of the very long term future.

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  103. annamaria says:
    @SamG
    The racial tension in the US is a manifestation of immanent justice (karma). Slavery created a traumatized and deracinated human being and a culture that prolongs it--rather analogous to certain pathologies one observes in Latin America among meztizos as a consequence of the Conquista. The indigenous peoples there are not assimilable either, and neither are the North American indigenous people assimilable--they refer to "apples" (those who are red outside but white inside). At bottom they, like most Black people, are not interested in assimilating, as Reed observes, save exceptionally. Frankly, more and more white people are detesting the current "culture" as well.

    As Fred observes, there is no "solution." The US will suffer the consequences of the Indian genocide as well as of the Black slavery. The first "choc en retour" was the US civil war. Much more is coming. Immanent justice. Nothing can stop it.

    “Slavery created a traumatized and deracinated human being …”
    That might be correct for the black “beings” that lived in the US at least a hundred years ago. Since then it was a lack of society-imposed discipline on the thugs and mentally deficient (in combination with free welfare money and services) that created the ignorant and aggressive ghetto populations that are incapable of keeping a rudimentary cleanliness in their neighborhoods.
    For instance, instead of feeding the delinquents in the center city of Baltimore, give the Baltimore to Asians and Germans to see the city flourishing in a few years. But first make a condition that any welfare payment for the full-bodied men and women in Baltimore will be provided only when they move to a designated deep suburbia with nearby fields to work on.
    Don’t treat human beings as incapable children.

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    @random observer
    At what point were Caribbean blacks 13-15% of the population of the United Kingdom, and how was a figure this large so easily absorbed without consequences?

    Black Caribbeans are probably not more than 1-2% of the UK but are maybe 5%+ of London where they are mostly concentrated. So it is possible to absorb a sizable black minority in a short time. The consequences weren’t grave rather it paved the way for the disappearance of Black Caribbeans from the racial grievance scene. Muslims have filled that void in the UK.

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    " it paved the way for the disappearance of Black Caribbeans from the racial grievance scene"

    Nope.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/26/uk-black-lives-matter-kingsley-burrell-death-protest-cps-birmingham-police

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/05/black-lives-matter-protest-sparks-heathrow-traffic-chaos

    , @syonredux

    Black Caribbeans are probably not more than 1-2% of the UK but are maybe 5%+ of London where they are mostly concentrated. So it is possible to absorb a sizable black minority in a short time. The consequences weren’t grave rather it paved the way for the disappearance of Black Caribbeans from the racial grievance scene. Muslims have filled that void in the UK.
     
    How quickly they forget:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots
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  105. TheJester says:
    @joef
    I understand what you are saying. But I still believe the overall & per capita destruction from afro americans in terms of crime and entitlements far exceeds the Hispanics. Hispanics are interested in working to make money, whereas afro americans are interested in revolution. Hispanics are able to support themselves, whereas many afro americans cannot, are ungrateful dependents, and are a huge economic burden. Afro americans are completely obsessed with race, whereas Hispanics are interested in going about their business. Generally Hispanics do not need us to fawn on them, whereas afro americans demand constant pandering and appeasement.
    Again data shows that afro americans kill more people in this nation than any other group.

    If you removed the criminal gang factor from the Hispanic immigration population, the main problem would be their entering this nation illegally in violation of our immigration laws. But who's fault is that? I say its our liberal elites and our Federal govt who is allowing this to happen (with corporatist encouragement for cheap labor). The illegal Hispanic immigrant is just seizing the opportunity to make some money, mostly out of desperation. If this country declines further economically, and/or we tightened regulations/enforcement regarding immigration & remittances, the problem will mostly solve itself by their returning back to their country of origin.

    However the exception that will not fix itself is the criminal gangs. They are not here to send money back home for their families; they are here to exploit us through organized crime activities. If we tightened immigration regs, that will not affect the gangs desire to stay/leave this nation. However that is where we should have placed our most ardent focus. Our first priority should be to send back illegal immigrant felons, as soon as they finish their criminal prison sentence. But we are not doing that, and it begs the question 'why'?

    Maybe we should think about Presidential and State Governor oaths of office where they pledge to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. Maybe its time to declare war on our domestic enemies of dangerous criminal gangs and other violent revolutionaries. And then if the leftist get in the way, we should charge them with treason.
    Can only dream, because we all know it will never happen. We are headed to destruction, and currently the main group I see rioting, looting, and committing arson in our cities are afro americans (even after natural disasters like Katrina). They are doing this when times are relatively good, just wait to see what they will do when times are bad.

    Ths Hispanics also organize for self-help, which includes everything from doctors, to lawyers, to auto mechanics. Hispanics have their own underground economy. Most important, Hispanics do not riot and are not a permanent welfare class.

    If their IQs are on average 10 points below the average citizen of northern European extraction, that is at least enough to participate in an industrial (or, I should rather say post-industrial) economy. (That cannot be said of the Blacks.) Therefore, I do not see the the future as bleak for Anglo-Americans with controlled Hispanic immigration.

    It is also a closed case that encouraging more immigration from northern Europe would solve the problem of low birth rates among Anglo-Americans and other Americans of European extraction. The Europeans have ALL caught the liberal disease of individualism and feminism, too. Western civilization is a dying civilization. Importing more Europeans would only create more liberal/progressive voters who believe in globalism and the equality of all racial extractions, cultures, and religions. Faced with this, Hispanics will do just nicely … thank you.

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    Ths Hispanics also organize for self-help, which includes everything from doctors, to lawyers, to auto mechanics. Hispanics have their own underground economy. Most important, Hispanics do not riot and are not a permanent welfare class.
     
    True, but that is the essence of the problem -- moreso than the endemic welfare and tax evasion of the generic messican. The ameri-messican culture is insular. It builds, encapsulates, and defends itself, in no small part because it has illegal status within the USA. It preserves foreign and inimical values, and prevents its participants from assimilating.
    , @joef
    I agree, I lived next to both communities and the Hispanics are a much more preferable people to be with, and given the choice I rather have this nation have more Hispanics than more afro americans. The fault lies mostly with our own elites for the current assimilation problems with Hispanics. If required to do so, like immigrant groups in the past, the Hispanics would assimilate with American culture. They do not because the leftist encourage them not to. And illegal immigration is the fault of leftist social engineering policies, coupled with corporatist demands for cheap labor. Who do you blame for this, the puppets or the puppet master political elites.

    Afro american radicalism/activism is totally different because they are proactively involved in rejecting this nation (except for their handouts of course), and are hostile to those around them.
    When it comes down to it, I rather live in an alien Hispanic culture than a dysfunctional and arbitrarily violent afro american culture. That is why I believe 'Syonredux' comments, although insightful, is not concentrating on the real problem of afro american antisocial culture. Hispanics have a functioning culture that we can assimilate, and we can coexist with; but radical afro americans do not want to coexist peacefully, and are parasitical to our economic system's vitality. So to me the choice is clear and comparing Hispanic problems to radical afro american problems is like comparing a matchstick to an inferno. Hispanic problems in this nation are solvable, but our radical afro american problems are almost completely unsolvable.

    , @syonredux

    If their IQs are on average 10 points below the average citizen of northern European extraction, that is at least enough to participate in an industrial (or, I should rather say post-industrial) economy. (That cannot be said of the Blacks.) Therefore, I do not see the the future as bleak for Anglo-Americans with controlled Hispanic immigration.
     
    But we don't have "controlled" Hispanic immigration. And (pace Mr Trump), there is little prospect of change on this point.
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  106. @rod1963
    When the train goes off the rails I agree most of the urban whites that are responsible for keeping Dems in power will be the first to be slaughtered. The gentrifiers will be the first in line of them to get it.

    Here on the West Coast it also means the all those rich whites living in beachfront homes and exclusive communities where you have to be a multimillionaire to live there are going to be targets. These and those palatial estates will be like magnets to those inner city mobs and gangs. What the rich don't know is that the police aren't going to be around if things get real bad.

    Couldn't happen to a better bunch though. Most of them bankrolled the Democratic party and their agenda. If they get eaten, no great loss.

    If we lose a couple dozen cities to a race war, I'd say it's no great loss as our cities have become giant unmanageable, corrupt pest holes, full of hostile 3rd worlders and run by the Democratic party machine.

    If we lose a couple dozen cities to a race war, I’d say it’s no great loss as our cities have become giant unmanageable, corrupt pest holes, full of hostile 3rd worlders and run by the Democratic party machine.

    Wouldn’t that be more of a “good” thing than “bad” thing? How many affluent beachfront property owners might survive a race war with a changed outlook?

    IMO, the rich are the problem — the source of the problem at base. A brief and violent conflict that kills many rich serves to “boil off” and resolve tensions. The aftermath is where learning takes place and has beneficial effect.

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    The welfare rich use the street criminals to bait and switch the issues. Cops and gang banger chase scenes and war porn make far better cliff hanger footage than Bernie Madoff or board meetings that decide we should bomb "whack em stan" for their own good again. How does the body count for black street punks compare to that stacked up by Wall Street, the congress and the White house in their armed overseas portfolio protection excursions? Fat cats who seem intent on proving that Karl Marx was right about a lot of things can't make socialism workable, but do seem to indicate that crackers with Barrett .50 cals and laser range finders are a perfectly reasonable response to tycoons who hide in gated communities from the mess they choreographed and all watched over by mercenaries of loving grace, who were trained by your tax dollar. The new deer and hog loads with premium bonded bullets enables the .223 to be a viable tool for social functions as well as for hunting because you don't have to shoot twice if you bother to aim correctly and are equal opportunity for rich and poor alike.
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  107. @Montefrío
    "Immanent" and "imminent" are two separate words with distinct meanings. That might be high school material, so perhaps you missed it.

    “Immanent” and “imminent” are two separate words with distinct meanings. That might be high school material, so perhaps you missed it.

    Uh-huh. Imminence is not immanent, but immanence is always imminent.

    That’s a semantic joke. I will explain, if necessary.

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  108. @TheJester
    Ths Hispanics also organize for self-help, which includes everything from doctors, to lawyers, to auto mechanics. Hispanics have their own underground economy. Most important, Hispanics do not riot and are not a permanent welfare class.

    If their IQs are on average 10 points below the average citizen of northern European extraction, that is at least enough to participate in an industrial (or, I should rather say post-industrial) economy. (That cannot be said of the Blacks.) Therefore, I do not see the the future as bleak for Anglo-Americans with controlled Hispanic immigration.

    It is also a closed case that encouraging more immigration from northern Europe would solve the problem of low birth rates among Anglo-Americans and other Americans of European extraction. The Europeans have ALL caught the liberal disease of individualism and feminism, too. Western civilization is a dying civilization. Importing more Europeans would only create more liberal/progressive voters who believe in globalism and the equality of all racial extractions, cultures, and religions. Faced with this, Hispanics will do just nicely ... thank you.

    Ths Hispanics also organize for self-help, which includes everything from doctors, to lawyers, to auto mechanics. Hispanics have their own underground economy. Most important, Hispanics do not riot and are not a permanent welfare class.

    True, but that is the essence of the problem — moreso than the endemic welfare and tax evasion of the generic messican. The ameri-messican culture is insular. It builds, encapsulates, and defends itself, in no small part because it has illegal status within the USA. It preserves foreign and inimical values, and prevents its participants from assimilating.

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  109. @Reg Cæsar

    Besides, do not white people have the liberty to choose for themselves who they marry and procreate with?
     
    Not if they're closely related, or if they're already married to someone else. A ban on interracial marriages is along the same lines as these other bans. Marriage is either a right, or it isn't.

    Law aside, there are social and moral questions to consider. White and Asian coalburners are engaging in predatory behavior toward an already beleaguered population in the marriage market. It's also legal to sell those people lottery tickets. But it's not moral.

    By the way, speaking of whites' liberty, under the Virginia law thrown out by Loving, whites were the only race unable to marry outside their race. Blacks, Indians, and Asians could marry those of any race, except white. Like men with the military draft, whites were held to higher standards. What's wrong with that?

    Besides, do not white people have the liberty to choose for themselves who they marry and procreate with?

    Not if they’re closely related, or if they’re already married to someone else. A ban on interracial marriages is along the same lines as these other bans. Marriage is either a right, or it isn’t.

    Laws against incest (cousin marriage, etc.) do not establish a case based on rights. In terms of human rights, cousins have every “right” to marry, for any of many reasons, religion being just one.

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    Cousins have every “right” to marry

    Horsepuckies. Nobody has rights that hurt someone else.

    Who gets hurt when cousins marry? The offspring, who have a much higher load of negative
    genetics (two copies of recessive genes with negative repercussions, often devastating. Tay-sachs disease for example.)

    Who gets hurt when two races marry? The mixed-race offspring, who suffer from feelings of
    not really belonging to either parent's race, and even up to including great difficulty finding a compatible donor should they need an organ transplant.

    Who is doing the right thing to marry? Two opposite-sex people who will give their offspring the best chances in life. That includes: being of the same race (so the genes are similar but not identical and that child feels a sense of belonging), being mentally stable so they will provide for that child both in terms of love and physical needs, and being in love and committed so they will stay together so the child isn't exposed to the disaster of a broken home.

    Now, if the couple is STERILE and want to marry interracially? Go ahead. But do it QUIETLY. Don't agitate to make it the "norm" and disturb the development of children of each parent's race who will grow up to reproduce the races.
    Two homos who want to live together? Go ahead. But do it QUIETLY. Don't agitate to make it the "norm" and disturb the normal development of heterosexual children who will be the ones to grow up and reproduce the race.
    , @Druid
    FJJS. The way you go on about this makes me think you married a close relative. I think over time it weakens the genes. Maybe not I'd done infrequently
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  110. @Longfisher
    Whereas long-standing conflicts between blacks and police recently have gained prominence in the news, and, whereas those conflicts do seem interminable they don't justify ignoring all the progress in race relations that I've seen in my now 64 year lifetime.

    In my youth, anyone who called a black man "Sir" might very well be beaten up by whites. I call every man, even small male children of every race "Sir" with impunity now.

    In my high school years I knew only one black student out of many hundreds. Today, my children attend school with many and there are very few race-based altercations.

    During my service years (Marine Infantry Officer), I served with many Black Marines, officers and enlisted men. They were no different than any other Marines. They shared similar promise and experienced similar success and failure as any white Marine.

    Today and in my rather affluent neighborhood there are many black families and on my street alone (about 25 homes) there are three. All these families are led by a mother and father and often both are college educated and work in highly professional positions of responsibility. In my youth, no blacks lived anywhere near us.

    Unlike the author, I'm not troubled by how they speak, what they name their children and how they wear their hair. I'm surprised anyone is troubled by those things.

    I think there's been a lot of progress. I think that progress will continue. I'm glad for that.

    Thing *were* getting better, but identity politics came along and is dissolving all the progress on contact. Don’t worry- it’s all coming to an affluent suburban bubble like yours soon.

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  111. joef says:
    @rod1963
    When the train goes off the rails I agree most of the urban whites that are responsible for keeping Dems in power will be the first to be slaughtered. The gentrifiers will be the first in line of them to get it.

    Here on the West Coast it also means the all those rich whites living in beachfront homes and exclusive communities where you have to be a multimillionaire to live there are going to be targets. These and those palatial estates will be like magnets to those inner city mobs and gangs. What the rich don't know is that the police aren't going to be around if things get real bad.

    Couldn't happen to a better bunch though. Most of them bankrolled the Democratic party and their agenda. If they get eaten, no great loss.

    If we lose a couple dozen cities to a race war, I'd say it's no great loss as our cities have become giant unmanageable, corrupt pest holes, full of hostile 3rd worlders and run by the Democratic party machine.

    Agreed and the conditions you describe are also relevant to BosWash area as well. We have an economic and social cancer, and ignoring it will not make it go away. The reset will happen anyway, and the reset delayed, by the libs intentionally disregarding it, will be even worse.

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    That's not good for the white political class at all, should the welfare state cease working even for a short while. Being liberal and clueless will be a death sentence for many of them.

    The thing is people like them don't get how delicate the system is. The few times EBT cards showed $0.00 because of a computer glitch led to stores being looted almost immediately. Granted these were limited to small areas but imagine what would happen if a glitch is nationwide and takes a day or two to fix. Our cities will be torn apart along with a any white urbanite who is foolish enough to stay there instead of fleeing.
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  112. JSM says:

    Since we are all being frank here,

    why can’t we, as Jared Taylor has advocated, rescind anti-discrimination laws and just go back to segregation?

    It worked fairly well for the South, for White people.

    And blacks were better off, too, at least if you go by metrics of black-owned businesses and
    crime stats / drug use / bastardy.

    Back when the Talented Tenth couldn’t just skip out on their kin, they were
    incentivized to enforce discipline on the thug-prone among them.

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    You have to have your first "experience" Sheila; after that call me up, and I will work tirelessly with you to bring segregation back.
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  113. joef says:
    @Chris Mallory

    The Civil War veterans sacrificed their lives to free the slaves,
     
    For most of them this is wrong. The War of Northern Aggression was fought over Lincoln's desire to keep the wealth of the South flowing north to support Yankee industry. Lincoln went to war to keep the custom house in Charleston Harbor open, not to free the slaves. Freeing the slaves was a wartime ploy to keep the British and French from coming in to help the Confederate States.

    Yes that is true, but the side benefit was the freedom of afro americans (which was probably going to eventually happen anyway, but the Civil War caused it to happen earlier). The Civil War was really not completely about slavery, but nevertheless it provided the result of the end of slavery in the USA (even if unintentional the result was the same).
    My real point is that if radical afro american activist are going to demand illegitimate claims of reparations from current society, then I will advanced that the reparations were already paid up by the deaths of 600,000 whites which resulted in the freedom of afro american slaves (even if not the primary reason for the Civil War, which was states rights and tariffs).

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  114. @Anonymous
    What's the path forward?

    According to Pew about 1/4 of black male newlyweds in 2013 married white women or a different race. Most black men don't marry so this isn't representative of young blacks in America but shows an unmistakably rising trend towards race mixing between whites and blacks.

    With enough time (over 100 years) American blacks will be absorbed into white America through interracial marriage and dating.

    Caribbean blacks have already been absorbed into the white majority in the UK. Hardly any young full blooded Caribbean children in the UK anymore. That only took 2 generations.

    If Brazil and Jamaica are the endgame, excuse me if I opt out.

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    It will look like Brazil but more thoroughly mixed because upper middle class America is much more open to race mixing than the affluent white segment of Brazil. (I doubt Brazil has any equivalent to the standard anti-racism curriculum of an American liberal arts college.)

    But it won't be Brazil because of Anglo institutions. A mixed race America will still be much better off economically than Brazil.

    South Brazil is very white but not developed. That's because of Portuguese institutions.
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  115. JSM says:
    @Truth
    LMAO!

    "Constitutio, wha stinkin' constituio?"

    That you can even read and write, Truth, and therefore comment here, is due to a change, by White men, of the Constitution that was originally written by and for White men.

    Since the Constitution could be changed once, (proof of which is your commenting here) it can also be changed again, given sufficient political will of White men.

    Dave B.’s ideas are sound.

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    Well, no. Prior to the constitution, most white men could not read.
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  116. joef says:
    @WJ
    Sir - since I was on the other side of the coin in the USMC infantry- enlisted, and I can tell you that issues regarding race were a bit different than your perspective. Individual blacks that I served with in my various Weapons Company assignments were ok. These were the cream of the crop in some ways, mortarmen and Dragon gunners but the blacks in the line companies were a different story. I had several racial incidents with them usually involving large groups of them ambushing hapless whites (once on ship and once in town) and they held a racial resentment that I, as a suburban white person had never experienced. The experiences of an officer and enlisted man are radically different.

    My last few years in the USMC (80-84)saw an improvement since the rebuild of the military was underway and standards raised. The USMC in the late '70s was in desperate shape and part of that was because of race relations.

    Longfisher’s comment of:

    During my service years (Marine Infantry Officer), I served with many Black Marines, officers and enlisted men. They were no different than any other Marines. They shared similar promise and experienced similar success and failure as any white Marine.

    is because they are taking the best and brightest among the pool, and the USMC is a controlled environment, not the natural habitat of the ghetto radical afro american.

    My experience growing up in the large urban environment in the BosWash area is the same as yours WJ. I have relatives & friends from all over this area, and no matter where you go (Bronx, Brooklyn, Newark, Philadelphia, Boston, Hartford, etc) the story was always the same.

    Your experience re: the way ghetto afro americans attack is exactly what they do. They attack only when they have an unfair advantage, by either outnumbering, being armed, being larger, or by ambushing their opponent. They are generally predatory bullies who are afraid to fight without some sort of unfair advantage [however the exception/outlier is the tougher ones who are usually the ones who run the corners in the black ghettos, because they are willing to fight under any circumstances]. Its just part of the ghetto afro american culture in general that they are adverse to any difficulties, and want everything easily handed to them. Most of them do not really have the disposition to tough anything out.

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    "Your experience re: the way ghetto afro americans attack is exactly what they do. They attack only when they have an unfair advantage, by either outnumbering, being armed, being larger, or by ambushing their opponent. They are generally predatory bullies who are afraid to fight without some sort of unfair advantage..."

    LMFAO! Hey, no wonder we like joining the US military!
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  117. Fred Reed says:
    @Longfisher
    Whereas long-standing conflicts between blacks and police recently have gained prominence in the news, and, whereas those conflicts do seem interminable they don't justify ignoring all the progress in race relations that I've seen in my now 64 year lifetime.

    In my youth, anyone who called a black man "Sir" might very well be beaten up by whites. I call every man, even small male children of every race "Sir" with impunity now.

    In my high school years I knew only one black student out of many hundreds. Today, my children attend school with many and there are very few race-based altercations.

    During my service years (Marine Infantry Officer), I served with many Black Marines, officers and enlisted men. They were no different than any other Marines. They shared similar promise and experienced similar success and failure as any white Marine.

    Today and in my rather affluent neighborhood there are many black families and on my street alone (about 25 homes) there are three. All these families are led by a mother and father and often both are college educated and work in highly professional positions of responsibility. In my youth, no blacks lived anywhere near us.

    Unlike the author, I'm not troubled by how they speak, what they name their children and how they wear their hair. I'm surprised anyone is troubled by those things.

    I think there's been a lot of progress. I think that progress will continue. I'm glad for that.

    The problem is not the successful ten percent or so, but the huge, unsuccessful, homogeneously black inner cities that are neither shrinking nor advancing academically. Where these will be if fifty or a hundred years, especially given a declining economy, I don’t know, but whatever is going to happen will happen within a decade or two. Living in prosperous suburbs obscures the fact that there are apparently irremediably unsproperous and very angry ghettos. There’s the rub.

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    Blacks are a minor issue compared to your amigos, Fred (not to mention other immigrant groups that are rapidly expanding).
    , @macilrae
    And the very angry ghettos will remain that way (at whites principally) all the while those whites pander to them: saying that their anger is justified and their abominable culture is so 'cool' - and of course all they while they keep paying 'reparations'.

    If, by degrees, mainstream opinion was moved away from this formula and towards one which advocated self-reliance and social responsibility, turning the blame around, that would at least be a move in the right direction. And the cause might then seem a shade more hopeful than it does to you now.
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  118. Durruti says:
    @joef
    What karma are you talking about? Who alive today ever owned a slave? What afro american today (or their great grand parents) were ever a slave? Answer to all these questions is none!!

    The afro american inability to defer gratification and work hard for succeeding generations is exclusively their problem. Their rant for reparations for slavery does not recognize the fact that it was already given to them through the loss of 600,000 lives in the Civil War to set them free.
    In addition we have been giving them ever increasing entitlements & affirmative action, while reducing their personal responsibility, for the last 50 years. And in these last 50 years the problem only gets worse with afro american entitlements being the main economic burden on this country. At least if they were thankful it would be somewhat tolerable, instead we get constant complaining.

    Yes I agree there will be immanent justice if it falls apart and the radical afro americans get their desired race war. But without the rule of law to protect the radical afro americans from acts of self defense (by calling acts of self defense, against afro american perps, 'racism', which results in the prosecution of the defender); coupled with their inability to be self sufficient (they cannot survive without handouts), it will go very bad for them.

    The rest of us did not want this outcome. Its the ghetto radical afro american, along with their leftist handlers, who are pushing for this (enabled by ignorant whites who want to be fashionable liberals). But be careful what you wish for.

    Your knowledge and understanding of history is exceedingly weak.

    “the loss of 600,000 lives in the Civil War to set them free.”

    In America’s Civil War, 250,000 supporters of the Confederacy, and supporters of the institution of Slavery, died. And 350,000 opponents of succession (supporters of the unity of the USA), some of whom also opposed the practice of Slavery, died.

    You also fail to acknowledge that 100,000 African Americans served in the Union armies (hastily recruited and serving at half pay – they participated in much front line fighting).

    You fail to mention:

    1. African slaves worked 300 years without pay.

    2. They were refused permission to form families or Marry.

    3. They were not allowed to join established churches.

    4. And it was a capital offense (look that up), for a slave to learn, or for someone to teach a slave to read and write (basic literacy).

    5. You fail to note that Africans brought in chains to America were denied the rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, enshrined in our Declaration of Independence.

    At the end of the Civil War,the Republican party favored the awarding of 40 acres and a mule, and 1 years credit to freed slaves who would form family units. This reasonable suggestion was beaten down in Congress by, the assassination of JF Kennedy – er President Abraham Lincoln, the Republican Party leader, and a coalition of Democratic Party reactionaries.

    Reparations for African Americans, would be as creative an idea as that of re-industrializing America, and restoring our Republic (assassinated on November 22, 1963.

    Joef, I question your IQ. It appears to be quite low. Do some reading. Search your conscience.
    At least you care enough – to participate on this excellent forum.

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    Yes, we should give reparations to any black who can prove they were alive and held as a slave before 1860. Otherwise, I suggest they start swimming back to Africa.
    , @joef
    You failed to note that Africans sold us the slaves to begin with.

    You failed to note that most whites, including the south, never owned a slave.

    You failed to note that there is no one alive today in America who owned a slave;
    nor is there any afro american alive (or their great grand parents) who were ever a slave.

    And like a typical leftist, you must add the ad hominem attack in your comments.
    {I know, if anyone does not hold to your obfuscated truths regarding radical afro americans, then they must have a low IQ!}

    Without modern societies protections, liberals would die off from natural selection, because they always try to make reality conform to their own opinions (whereas a normal person formulates opinions based on reality).
    So when the system collapses under the weight of radical afro american burdens, the liberal die off will be an extra side benefit.

    , @JSM
    So... you didn't get your 40 acres and a mule.

    Why don't you go ahead and calculate what the economic loss of that forty acres and mule is.

    And then subtract from the total the TRILLIONS extracted from White folks, in an attempt to help blacks, since 1964.

    Include in it: welfare payments to blacks, including Section 8 housing, food stamps, Medicaid.
    Include also: costs to police and incarcerate black thugs. Also include the lost future wages of Whites killed by black thugs, as well as the costs to Social Security to support the dependents of those Whites killed by black thugs. Also include the cost to White taxpayers to pay social workers to deal with black family dysfunction. Also include lost wages to Whites who were passed over for jobs in favor of Affirmative Action hires. Also include lost profits to corporations who hired incompetent Affirmative Action employees in order to avoid greater lost revenues due to fines for "disparate impact." Include also: lost equity in homes that desegregation and its comcomitant forced White flight brought about when the blacks moved in and started wrecking the neighborhood with grime and crime. Also include the costs to White landlords forced to make expensive repairs to their buildings from black gang activity. Also include the cost of rebuilding, further out in the suburbs for the deseg-forced White flight, formerly perfectly good schools that the blacks ruined with grime and crime and poor academic performance when they moved in. Also include the costs of cars that White flight, forced by deseg, imposed on Whites who went to the suburbs to be safe. Etc. Etc. Etc.


    The total is the sum due from White folks for reparations.

    Since it's going to be a negative number, you can make payment for the sum due, to the U.S. Treasury. Thank you.

    Oh, and one more thing: Put on the positive side of the ledger the INCALCULABLE benefits of getting to be a black person living in a first world country, where warlords don't necklace you, as is common in African countries. Had your ancestors not been dragged over here, you would not, in fact, even be alive. (Since your ancestors would not have met each other.)

    , @Outwest
    You seem to be confusing rights and principles. The Constitution deals (or did) with “rights” while the Declaration states the principles under which the people severed their ties with England.
    , @Jeff77450
    The freed slaves should've been paid some kind of reparations to include massive investments in their education & skill-training, perhaps grants for qualifying businesses. Unfortunately, "that ship has sailed." More recently the money that could've been used for reparations was used for the Great Society/War on Poverty programs that began in the 1960s; ~$22-trillion in inflation-adjusted dollars. Blacks and their "useful idiot" enablers will have to be satisfied with that and ~44 years of affirmative action. There is no more money:

    http://www.usdebtclock.org

    http://calwatchdog.com/2013/11/11/u-s-unfunded-liabilities-really-222-trillion
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  119. mtn cur says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    If we lose a couple dozen cities to a race war, I’d say it’s no great loss as our cities have become giant unmanageable, corrupt pest holes, full of hostile 3rd worlders and run by the Democratic party machine.
     
    Wouldn't that be more of a "good" thing than "bad" thing? How many affluent beachfront property owners might survive a race war with a changed outlook?

    IMO, the rich are the problem -- the source of the problem at base. A brief and violent conflict that kills many rich serves to "boil off" and resolve tensions. The aftermath is where learning takes place and has beneficial effect.

    The welfare rich use the street criminals to bait and switch the issues. Cops and gang banger chase scenes and war porn make far better cliff hanger footage than Bernie Madoff or board meetings that decide we should bomb “whack em stan” for their own good again. How does the body count for black street punks compare to that stacked up by Wall Street, the congress and the White house in their armed overseas portfolio protection excursions? Fat cats who seem intent on proving that Karl Marx was right about a lot of things can’t make socialism workable, but do seem to indicate that crackers with Barrett .50 cals and laser range finders are a perfectly reasonable response to tycoons who hide in gated communities from the mess they choreographed and all watched over by mercenaries of loving grace, who were trained by your tax dollar. The new deer and hog loads with premium bonded bullets enables the .223 to be a viable tool for social functions as well as for hunting because you don’t have to shoot twice if you bother to aim correctly and are equal opportunity for rich and poor alike.

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  120. @tim s
    That past was not that long ago, and deep down these people are still basically the same as their ancestors. I wouldn't count them out so easily. You may be right, but it is not over until it is over, and the only thing that may be nearly over is the powder-puff easy living that many of us have grown up with. There is very little that is as corrosive to a healthy community over time as a life that is too easy. Difficulty in life makes for hardier people, and stupidity cannot propagate as well.

    Your description of the soft whites seems most applicable to the 9-5 suburbanites with typical mainstream habits & entertainment preferences. There are a good number of whites who don't fit that description. I know many of them, and their knowledge and skills are impressive.

    “There is very little that is as corrosive to a healthy community over time as a life that is too easy.”

    Very true. Like muscles that atrophy due to non-use so can your git er done and get up and go spirit atrophy.

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  121. joef says:
    @TheJester
    Ths Hispanics also organize for self-help, which includes everything from doctors, to lawyers, to auto mechanics. Hispanics have their own underground economy. Most important, Hispanics do not riot and are not a permanent welfare class.

    If their IQs are on average 10 points below the average citizen of northern European extraction, that is at least enough to participate in an industrial (or, I should rather say post-industrial) economy. (That cannot be said of the Blacks.) Therefore, I do not see the the future as bleak for Anglo-Americans with controlled Hispanic immigration.

    It is also a closed case that encouraging more immigration from northern Europe would solve the problem of low birth rates among Anglo-Americans and other Americans of European extraction. The Europeans have ALL caught the liberal disease of individualism and feminism, too. Western civilization is a dying civilization. Importing more Europeans would only create more liberal/progressive voters who believe in globalism and the equality of all racial extractions, cultures, and religions. Faced with this, Hispanics will do just nicely ... thank you.

    I agree, I lived next to both communities and the Hispanics are a much more preferable people to be with, and given the choice I rather have this nation have more Hispanics than more afro americans. The fault lies mostly with our own elites for the current assimilation problems with Hispanics. If required to do so, like immigrant groups in the past, the Hispanics would assimilate with American culture. They do not because the leftist encourage them not to. And illegal immigration is the fault of leftist social engineering policies, coupled with corporatist demands for cheap labor. Who do you blame for this, the puppets or the puppet master political elites.

    Afro american radicalism/activism is totally different because they are proactively involved in rejecting this nation (except for their handouts of course), and are hostile to those around them.
    When it comes down to it, I rather live in an alien Hispanic culture than a dysfunctional and arbitrarily violent afro american culture. That is why I believe ‘Syonredux’ comments, although insightful, is not concentrating on the real problem of afro american antisocial culture. Hispanics have a functioning culture that we can assimilate, and we can coexist with; but radical afro americans do not want to coexist peacefully, and are parasitical to our economic system’s vitality. So to me the choice is clear and comparing Hispanic problems to radical afro american problems is like comparing a matchstick to an inferno. Hispanic problems in this nation are solvable, but our radical afro american problems are almost completely unsolvable.

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    I agree, I lived next to both communities and the Hispanics are a much more preferable people to be with, and given the choice I rather have this nation have more Hispanics than more afro americans.
     
    Which tends to be how this is phrased. The lesser of two evils.

    The fault lies mostly with our own elites for the current assimilation problems with Hispanics. If required to do so, like immigrant groups in the past, the Hispanics would assimilate with American culture.
     
    But, seeing as how elite attitudes are not going to change on that point......Well, let's just write finis to Anglo-America.

    Hispanics have a functioning culture that we can assimilate, and we can coexist with;

     

    Well, we have a case-study showing what that looks like. It's called New Mexico, and it's quite depressing:

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/waiting-for-super-flynn/

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2016/04/01/not-yet/
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  122. @Durruti
    Your knowledge and understanding of history is exceedingly weak.

    "the loss of 600,000 lives in the Civil War to set them free."

    In America's Civil War, 250,000 supporters of the Confederacy, and supporters of the institution of Slavery, died. And 350,000 opponents of succession (supporters of the unity of the USA), some of whom also opposed the practice of Slavery, died.

    You also fail to acknowledge that 100,000 African Americans served in the Union armies (hastily recruited and serving at half pay - they participated in much front line fighting).

    You fail to mention:

    1. African slaves worked 300 years without pay.

    2. They were refused permission to form families or Marry.

    3. They were not allowed to join established churches.

    4. And it was a capital offense (look that up), for a slave to learn, or for someone to teach a slave to read and write (basic literacy).

    5. You fail to note that Africans brought in chains to America were denied the rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, enshrined in our Declaration of Independence.

    At the end of the Civil War,the Republican party favored the awarding of 40 acres and a mule, and 1 years credit to freed slaves who would form family units. This reasonable suggestion was beaten down in Congress by, the assassination of JF Kennedy - er President Abraham Lincoln, the Republican Party leader, and a coalition of Democratic Party reactionaries.

    Reparations for African Americans, would be as creative an idea as that of re-industrializing America, and restoring our Republic (assassinated on November 22, 1963.

    Joef, I question your IQ. It appears to be quite low. Do some reading. Search your conscience.
    At least you care enough - to participate on this excellent forum.

    Yes, we should give reparations to any black who can prove they were alive and held as a slave before 1860. Otherwise, I suggest they start swimming back to Africa.

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    "I suggest they start swimming back to Africa."

    Your printed remarks utterly condemn you. You are a Hater.

    There is only one Race, The Human Race. I suggest you join it. The descendants of any people whose ancestors were abused deserve recompense. Reparations are a Moral imperative, as much as a financial one.

    By negative Analogy: The Zionist puppet Congress awarded $13Trillion to the top Oligarchs in the infamous Bailout. That Bailout represented a shift in wealth that undermined all the citizens of our Nation, and was one of the most Immoral Acts committed by the Zionist Oligarch's puppet Congress.

    We must Restore our Republic! That is the difficult task you cower from addressing.
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  123. Marcus says:
    @Fred Reed
    The problem is not the successful ten percent or so, but the huge, unsuccessful, homogeneously black inner cities that are neither shrinking nor advancing academically. Where these will be if fifty or a hundred years, especially given a declining economy, I don't know, but whatever is going to happen will happen within a decade or two. Living in prosperous suburbs obscures the fact that there are apparently irremediably unsproperous and very angry ghettos. There's the rub.

    Blacks are a minor issue compared to your amigos, Fred (not to mention other immigrant groups that are rapidly expanding).

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  124. gwynedd1 says:
    @Anonymous
    What's the path forward?

    According to Pew about 1/4 of black male newlyweds in 2013 married white women or a different race. Most black men don't marry so this isn't representative of young blacks in America but shows an unmistakably rising trend towards race mixing between whites and blacks.

    With enough time (over 100 years) American blacks will be absorbed into white America through interracial marriage and dating.

    Caribbean blacks have already been absorbed into the white majority in the UK. Hardly any young full blooded Caribbean children in the UK anymore. That only took 2 generations.

    That’s not what’s happening. The best of the blacks is being skimmed into the majority. The black ghettos will just get worse. They are being bred into complete idiocy. This is even going on in white red neck areas , but at a much slower rate.

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    It's happening at both levels.

    The talented tenth marry into middle class America while ghetto blacks cohabitate with dysfunctional whites.
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  125. For 50 years we’ve experienced the effects of a mass social mood in apogee.

    It gave us belief in outcome-equality, and its corollary: inequality of outcome must arise from sin, i.e., racism.

    It gave us fiat money, and then beginning in 1981 as bond yields topped, the ability to (for 35 years and counting) spend money by borrowing rather than taxing production. Having our cake and eating it, too, became a national pastime.

    This yielded a view that resources are unlimited. Invade the world (to make it better) and invite the world while spending whatever is necessary to elevate have-nots into haves. “We” could do it all, and not raise taxes, too! Magic!

    When this five decade lurch into mass insanity ends, it will end on a dime and the Phase Change will be the social equivalent of water going from liquid to solid.

    Race relations look bad now. Just wait until the signal that Phase Change is upon us, which will be persistently rising interest rates. When the “wealth” represented by the Bond Ocean begins to evaporate in earnest, no matter what our Money Wizards do, and the backbone of America develops a poverty-based sense of compression fractures, the rage that emerges will shock everyone.

    I imagine there will be widespread sentiment to box inner-city savages (color not important) into their urban ghettos and torch the whole thing on purpose.

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  126. @Jim Christian
    If there's poetic justice, it is that it is in their nature to destroy each other in spite of all the "Brother this and that" talk. Shame more don't go that way before they've fathered 6 just like themselves. Bad idea indeed to come out to suburbs, present yourself for mayhem duty in a White suburb, the police will make short work of you, for what other reason would you be there? Even the press can't cover up for mischievous Blacks coming out from Washington DC to Fairfax County, Virginia that get killed by cops or citizens. Sister Soulja in the video suggesting such things is a moron. Oh, wait, yeah, I forgot. Hate to sound like Mercenary White Guy, but really, I'm just returning their sentiment towards me.

    “the police will make short work of you”

    You sure about that? With the way the police hang back and just watch as they have a field day burning and looting in all the other riots?

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    I don't know. Virginia State Police, Fairfax County Police have killed many a Black criminal robber that came to Virginia from DC to try their luck with banks and stores. They were often shot into complete states of death. These police are quasi-military, they take no guff from anyone out on the street. They're paid like shit, but funded like crazy and they live to bust bad guys. In their eyes, we are all equally worthless. Not terribly different from U.S. Marshals are the Virginia State Police. And, in Virginia, unlike over in DC, the Blacks get no bail, no deals and they receive actual felony sentences in hard-time prisons in the South of Virginia, IF they don't get themselves killed. In protecting subdivisions in a riotous, come-out-to-the-suburbs environment, these folks would protect against the outsiders.
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  127. joef says:
    @Durruti
    Your knowledge and understanding of history is exceedingly weak.

    "the loss of 600,000 lives in the Civil War to set them free."

    In America's Civil War, 250,000 supporters of the Confederacy, and supporters of the institution of Slavery, died. And 350,000 opponents of succession (supporters of the unity of the USA), some of whom also opposed the practice of Slavery, died.

    You also fail to acknowledge that 100,000 African Americans served in the Union armies (hastily recruited and serving at half pay - they participated in much front line fighting).

    You fail to mention:

    1. African slaves worked 300 years without pay.

    2. They were refused permission to form families or Marry.

    3. They were not allowed to join established churches.

    4. And it was a capital offense (look that up), for a slave to learn, or for someone to teach a slave to read and write (basic literacy).

    5. You fail to note that Africans brought in chains to America were denied the rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, enshrined in our Declaration of Independence.

    At the end of the Civil War,the Republican party favored the awarding of 40 acres and a mule, and 1 years credit to freed slaves who would form family units. This reasonable suggestion was beaten down in Congress by, the assassination of JF Kennedy - er President Abraham Lincoln, the Republican Party leader, and a coalition of Democratic Party reactionaries.

    Reparations for African Americans, would be as creative an idea as that of re-industrializing America, and restoring our Republic (assassinated on November 22, 1963.

    Joef, I question your IQ. It appears to be quite low. Do some reading. Search your conscience.
    At least you care enough - to participate on this excellent forum.

    You failed to note that Africans sold us the slaves to begin with.

    You failed to note that most whites, including the south, never owned a slave.

    You failed to note that there is no one alive today in America who owned a slave;
    nor is there any afro american alive (or their great grand parents) who were ever a slave.

    And like a typical leftist, you must add the ad hominem attack in your comments.
    {I know, if anyone does not hold to your obfuscated truths regarding radical afro americans, then they must have a low IQ!}

    Without modern societies protections, liberals would die off from natural selection, because they always try to make reality conform to their own opinions (whereas a normal person formulates opinions based on reality).
    So when the system collapses under the weight of radical afro american burdens, the liberal die off will be an extra side benefit.

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    "You failed to note that Africans sold us the slaves to begin with."

    I have not the time to reply to all your ignorant rants. I will respond to the one quoted above.

    1. Many Africans were enslaved by armed European and American slavers - raiding African villages and grabbing all the residents they could.

    2. Other slaves were acquired by means of purchasing them from - mostly - Portuguese slave marketers, (some of whom, but not all, were Jewish).

    3. You Haters conveniently fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the descendants of those who benefited from, or allowed slavery to exist, to recompense the descendants of their brutalized ancestors.

    You imply that if you purchase a slave, that act makes it somehow morally, (and financially) acceptable - than if you actually go out and hunt for Humans - yourself (and cut out the middle man). Your very utterances condemn you for eternity.

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  128. JSM says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith


    Besides, do not white people have the liberty to choose for themselves who they marry and procreate with?

     

    Not if they’re closely related, or if they’re already married to someone else. A ban on interracial marriages is along the same lines as these other bans. Marriage is either a right, or it isn’t.
     
    Laws against incest (cousin marriage, etc.) do not establish a case based on rights. In terms of human rights, cousins have every "right" to marry, for any of many reasons, religion being just one.

    Cousins have every “right” to marry

    Horsepuckies. Nobody has rights that hurt someone else.

    Who gets hurt when cousins marry? The offspring, who have a much higher load of negative
    genetics (two copies of recessive genes with negative repercussions, often devastating. Tay-sachs disease for example.)

    Who gets hurt when two races marry? The mixed-race offspring, who suffer from feelings of
    not really belonging to either parent’s race, and even up to including great difficulty finding a compatible donor should they need an organ transplant.

    Who is doing the right thing to marry? Two opposite-sex people who will give their offspring the best chances in life. That includes: being of the same race (so the genes are similar but not identical and that child feels a sense of belonging), being mentally stable so they will provide for that child both in terms of love and physical needs, and being in love and committed so they will stay together so the child isn’t exposed to the disaster of a broken home.

    Now, if the couple is STERILE and want to marry interracially? Go ahead. But do it QUIETLY. Don’t agitate to make it the “norm” and disturb the development of children of each parent’s race who will grow up to reproduce the races.
    Two homos who want to live together? Go ahead. But do it QUIETLY. Don’t agitate to make it the “norm” and disturb the normal development of heterosexual children who will be the ones to grow up and reproduce the race.

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    Horsepuckies. Nobody has rights that hurt someone else.
     
    Sorry, wrong. I have a right to defend myself, even if it means hurting someone. I have a right to purchase a property, even if my ownership means that someone else suffers financially. Etc, etc, etc. -- the "hurts someone" argument for "rights" is always circumstantial and subjective.

    I have a right to marry my cousin -- assuming my cousin agrees, of course. The "genetics" argument is bogus, as it is a percentage play, and risk does not impact rights. Be that as it may, I assume you know that cousin marriage does not necessarily lead to genetic weakness in offspring? In fact, it is entirely possible, genetically-speaking, for cousin marriage to reinforce genetic strengths and reduce genetic weaknesses.

    The rest of your "argument" is either hokum or some kind of weird extension to race issues. Race is not the topic. If you want to argue with what I wrote, fine, then do so.
    , @Reg Cæsar

    Who gets hurt when cousins marry? The offspring...
     
    Uh, that applies only to opposite-sex couples. And even then, only if both partners are fertile. (Or virile, whatever.)

    But we've always prohibited siblings of any age to marry, even though the sister-wife is past menopause. So, if marriage is a right, then your argument doesn't justify a limitation of such a right. Yet that limitation is universal.

    I don't believe marriage is a right (sacraments aren't!), and never said they were. You're confusing me with Anthony Kennedy.
    , @Reg Cæsar
    Incidentally, the risk of birth defects increases from something like 2% to something like 4% when siblings marry, if I remember what I read correctly. Inform us if I have it wrong. That hardly justifies the restriction of a right-- which marriage isn't, regardless of what the UN and others say.

    The real problem with consanguine marriages is not the one-off sibling match, but generation after generation of first- and second-cousin marriage, as in the Middle East. (Though Sephardic Jews don't seem to have been harmed that much by avuncular marriage. How widespread that was among them, I don't know, but it was allowed. Still is, in Rhode Island.)

    Consanguinity bans and interracial bans are just the opposite tails of the same spectrum. One says the relatives are too close, the other, too distant. Most of us choose the sweet spot in-between.
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  129. macilrae says:
    @Fred Reed
    The problem is not the successful ten percent or so, but the huge, unsuccessful, homogeneously black inner cities that are neither shrinking nor advancing academically. Where these will be if fifty or a hundred years, especially given a declining economy, I don't know, but whatever is going to happen will happen within a decade or two. Living in prosperous suburbs obscures the fact that there are apparently irremediably unsproperous and very angry ghettos. There's the rub.

    And the very angry ghettos will remain that way (at whites principally) all the while those whites pander to them: saying that their anger is justified and their abominable culture is so ‘cool’ – and of course all they while they keep paying ‘reparations’.

    If, by degrees, mainstream opinion was moved away from this formula and towards one which advocated self-reliance and social responsibility, turning the blame around, that would at least be a move in the right direction. And the cause might then seem a shade more hopeful than it does to you now.

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    advocated self-reliance and social responsibility, turning the blame around, that would at least be a move in the right direction. And the cause might then seem a shade more hopeful than it does to you now.
     
    Your right, but unfortunately that is not going to happen. Leftist and other ignorant whites (those who never lived with the afro american ghetto on their doorstep) will just want to take the easy way out by pandering, more pandering, and pandering some more. And the result is the radical afro american problem will just continue to get exasperated. Eventually it will come down to how long & how much of this burden can our society & economy stand. Eventually we will reach a breaking point, and the consequences will be severe. [Don't give up your guns]
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  130. JSM says:
    @Durruti
    Your knowledge and understanding of history is exceedingly weak.

    "the loss of 600,000 lives in the Civil War to set them free."

    In America's Civil War, 250,000 supporters of the Confederacy, and supporters of the institution of Slavery, died. And 350,000 opponents of succession (supporters of the unity of the USA), some of whom also opposed the practice of Slavery, died.

    You also fail to acknowledge that 100,000 African Americans served in the Union armies (hastily recruited and serving at half pay - they participated in much front line fighting).

    You fail to mention:

    1. African slaves worked 300 years without pay.

    2. They were refused permission to form families or Marry.

    3. They were not allowed to join established churches.

    4. And it was a capital offense (look that up), for a slave to learn, or for someone to teach a slave to read and write (basic literacy).

    5. You fail to note that Africans brought in chains to America were denied the rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, enshrined in our Declaration of Independence.

    At the end of the Civil War,the Republican party favored the awarding of 40 acres and a mule, and 1 years credit to freed slaves who would form family units. This reasonable suggestion was beaten down in Congress by, the assassination of JF Kennedy - er President Abraham Lincoln, the Republican Party leader, and a coalition of Democratic Party reactionaries.

    Reparations for African Americans, would be as creative an idea as that of re-industrializing America, and restoring our Republic (assassinated on November 22, 1963.

    Joef, I question your IQ. It appears to be quite low. Do some reading. Search your conscience.
    At least you care enough - to participate on this excellent forum.

    So… you didn’t get your 40 acres and a mule.

    Why don’t you go ahead and calculate what the economic loss of that forty acres and mule is.

    And then subtract from the total the TRILLIONS extracted from White folks, in an attempt to help blacks, since 1964.

    Include in it: welfare payments to blacks, including Section 8 housing, food stamps, Medicaid.
    Include also: costs to police and incarcerate black thugs. Also include the lost future wages of Whites killed by black thugs, as well as the costs to Social Security to support the dependents of those Whites killed by black thugs. Also include the cost to White taxpayers to pay social workers to deal with black family dysfunction. Also include lost wages to Whites who were passed over for jobs in favor of Affirmative Action hires. Also include lost profits to corporations who hired incompetent Affirmative Action employees in order to avoid greater lost revenues due to fines for “disparate impact.” Include also: lost equity in homes that desegregation and its comcomitant forced White flight brought about when the blacks moved in and started wrecking the neighborhood with grime and crime. Also include the costs to White landlords forced to make expensive repairs to their buildings from black gang activity. Also include the cost of rebuilding, further out in the suburbs for the deseg-forced White flight, formerly perfectly good schools that the blacks ruined with grime and crime and poor academic performance when they moved in. Also include the costs of cars that White flight, forced by deseg, imposed on Whites who went to the suburbs to be safe. Etc. Etc. Etc.

    The total is the sum due from White folks for reparations.

    Since it’s going to be a negative number, you can make payment for the sum due, to the U.S. Treasury. Thank you.

    Oh, and one more thing: Put on the positive side of the ledger the INCALCULABLE benefits of getting to be a black person living in a first world country, where warlords don’t necklace you, as is common in African countries. Had your ancestors not been dragged over here, you would not, in fact, even be alive. (Since your ancestors would not have met each other.)

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  131. joef says:
    @macilrae
    And the very angry ghettos will remain that way (at whites principally) all the while those whites pander to them: saying that their anger is justified and their abominable culture is so 'cool' - and of course all they while they keep paying 'reparations'.

    If, by degrees, mainstream opinion was moved away from this formula and towards one which advocated self-reliance and social responsibility, turning the blame around, that would at least be a move in the right direction. And the cause might then seem a shade more hopeful than it does to you now.

    advocated self-reliance and social responsibility, turning the blame around, that would at least be a move in the right direction. And the cause might then seem a shade more hopeful than it does to you now.

    Your right, but unfortunately that is not going to happen. Leftist and other ignorant whites (those who never lived with the afro american ghetto on their doorstep) will just want to take the easy way out by pandering, more pandering, and pandering some more. And the result is the radical afro american problem will just continue to get exasperated. Eventually it will come down to how long & how much of this burden can our society & economy stand. Eventually we will reach a breaking point, and the consequences will be severe. [Don't give up your guns]

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  132. @JSM
    Cousins have every “right” to marry

    Horsepuckies. Nobody has rights that hurt someone else.

    Who gets hurt when cousins marry? The offspring, who have a much higher load of negative
    genetics (two copies of recessive genes with negative repercussions, often devastating. Tay-sachs disease for example.)

    Who gets hurt when two races marry? The mixed-race offspring, who suffer from feelings of
    not really belonging to either parent's race, and even up to including great difficulty finding a compatible donor should they need an organ transplant.

    Who is doing the right thing to marry? Two opposite-sex people who will give their offspring the best chances in life. That includes: being of the same race (so the genes are similar but not identical and that child feels a sense of belonging), being mentally stable so they will provide for that child both in terms of love and physical needs, and being in love and committed so they will stay together so the child isn't exposed to the disaster of a broken home.

    Now, if the couple is STERILE and want to marry interracially? Go ahead. But do it QUIETLY. Don't agitate to make it the "norm" and disturb the development of children of each parent's race who will grow up to reproduce the races.
    Two homos who want to live together? Go ahead. But do it QUIETLY. Don't agitate to make it the "norm" and disturb the normal development of heterosexual children who will be the ones to grow up and reproduce the race.

    Horsepuckies. Nobody has rights that hurt someone else.

    Sorry, wrong. I have a right to defend myself, even if it means hurting someone. I have a right to purchase a property, even if my ownership means that someone else suffers financially. Etc, etc, etc. — the “hurts someone” argument for “rights” is always circumstantial and subjective.

    I have a right to marry my cousin — assuming my cousin agrees, of course. The “genetics” argument is bogus, as it is a percentage play, and risk does not impact rights. Be that as it may, I assume you know that cousin marriage does not necessarily lead to genetic weakness in offspring? In fact, it is entirely possible, genetically-speaking, for cousin marriage to reinforce genetic strengths and reduce genetic weaknesses.

    The rest of your “argument” is either hokum or some kind of weird extension to race issues. Race is not the topic. If you want to argue with what I wrote, fine, then do so.

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  133. @Seoulsurvivor
    "the police will make short work of you"

    You sure about that? With the way the police hang back and just watch as they have a field day burning and looting in all the other riots?

    I don’t know. Virginia State Police, Fairfax County Police have killed many a Black criminal robber that came to Virginia from DC to try their luck with banks and stores. They were often shot into complete states of death. These police are quasi-military, they take no guff from anyone out on the street. They’re paid like shit, but funded like crazy and they live to bust bad guys. In their eyes, we are all equally worthless. Not terribly different from U.S. Marshals are the Virginia State Police. And, in Virginia, unlike over in DC, the Blacks get no bail, no deals and they receive actual felony sentences in hard-time prisons in the South of Virginia, IF they don’t get themselves killed. In protecting subdivisions in a riotous, come-out-to-the-suburbs environment, these folks would protect against the outsiders.

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    Virginia State Police and Fairfax PD deal with isolated occurrences of afro american ghetto criminal behavior. They are not experienced with dealing with en mass african american ghetto anarchy (like DC/Baltimore/Philly/Newark/Brooklyn/Bronx/Chicago/LA etc nor like smaller ghetto habitats such as Newburgh NY, Camden NJ, East St Louis, and Stockton Cal). They never worked a solo foot post in the ghetto where they are completely outnumbered and outgunned, thus they are inexperienced in handling such things. There ability to handle a mass disorder would be as compromised as any other police agency, and depending on how bad & dysfunctional things get, may decide not to show up at all, and stay home with their families & neighbors instead (especially if severe austerity hits their paychecks, which the current economic trend line is eventually heading).
    , @Seoulsurvivor
    That is encouraging to know. I love how you say, "In their eyes, we are all equally worthless." So true. They adopt the cop mentality that feels it is them against us. Some of us are criminals but everyone is a suspect. That's why I am polite when I have to deal with police and happy to be quit of them when I am. There is just too much simmering animosity, barely under the surface, towards the public for me to want to be exposed to for any longer than necessary. They are the only group that can say the word "Sir" during a stop and it is basically intoned as mother fucker.

    But along those lines. If it gets to the point of everyone for themselves, The concept of armed insurrection is just that...a concept. I have 187 rounds of 5.56 and 9mm. There are no doubt some nut jobs out there with tens of thousands of rounds hoarded somewhere. But a normal person that would take to the streets and march on the square would soon be out of ammo. And the government would have long since closed and shuttered the stores that would sell more. And unlike our opponents in the Korean or Vietnam wars we would not be able to depend on Russia or China for resupply.
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  134. Che Guava says:

    Dear Fred,

    Another interesting article, as always.

    In Mexico, blacks speak normal Spanish and, in France, normal French.

    I don’t think that is true, at least for many of the self-alienated Muslim blacks in France, they they have a coded patois with words said backwards and with inverse meanings, sure, I know it is not universal, have met those who do not fit that.

    Those perhaps only travel to Mecca, join with gangs in Syria (the ‘revolutionary forces’ mysteriously detected by the USA), or their nations of origin, in between setting cars on fire, etc.

    If you don’t admit that you have cancer, it will go away.

    That is in general, not true, but in the case of Hodgkin’s lymphoma, the treatment seems to be a more rapid path to death than just eating well and waiting for the swellings to diminish.

    Never had a biopsy on my own occasional lymph swellings, but one or two friends who ignored them also did better than I expect they would if they had accepted biopsies or invasive treatment.

    Those who did had a very hard time, and death in a couple of cases. Perhaps that is the only exception in what is called ‘cancer’, I am not sure, but that one can be nothing.

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  135. joef says:
    @Jim Christian
    I don't know. Virginia State Police, Fairfax County Police have killed many a Black criminal robber that came to Virginia from DC to try their luck with banks and stores. They were often shot into complete states of death. These police are quasi-military, they take no guff from anyone out on the street. They're paid like shit, but funded like crazy and they live to bust bad guys. In their eyes, we are all equally worthless. Not terribly different from U.S. Marshals are the Virginia State Police. And, in Virginia, unlike over in DC, the Blacks get no bail, no deals and they receive actual felony sentences in hard-time prisons in the South of Virginia, IF they don't get themselves killed. In protecting subdivisions in a riotous, come-out-to-the-suburbs environment, these folks would protect against the outsiders.

    Virginia State Police and Fairfax PD deal with isolated occurrences of afro american ghetto criminal behavior. They are not experienced with dealing with en mass african american ghetto anarchy (like DC/Baltimore/Philly/Newark/Brooklyn/Bronx/Chicago/LA etc nor like smaller ghetto habitats such as Newburgh NY, Camden NJ, East St Louis, and Stockton Cal). They never worked a solo foot post in the ghetto where they are completely outnumbered and outgunned, thus they are inexperienced in handling such things. There ability to handle a mass disorder would be as compromised as any other police agency, and depending on how bad & dysfunctional things get, may decide not to show up at all, and stay home with their families & neighbors instead (especially if severe austerity hits their paychecks, which the current economic trend line is eventually heading).

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    Perhaps, but contingencies are in place. I remember like yesterday when MLK took a bullet, in hours and for days, DC in flames, circa 1968. Highways blocked, 50, 29/211. I395, stocked to the gills with VSP and the police of each county. Even out in Fairfax, 12, 15 miles out, stores boarding windows and local city police, sheriffs departments watching entries into towns out there. They meant for the Blaxx not to bring "Burn, Baby Burn" out to us.

    Fairfax cops and Va State Police don't HAVE to bother with the scenarios you depict because the area is wealthy and White/Asian/Hispanic, they aren't the criminal element of Baltimore/DC/Philly. Areas of Richmond and Norfolk have some violent Dindu, but overall the State isn't anything like the typical Black areas. The citizens, in spite of the State (Commonwealth, actually) trending a little more Blue tend more Conservative about their own situation as regards crime. Much like Boston, where I live now, come to think of it. Boston cops are another group that accept little nonsense from Dindu criminals.

    If the entire society breaks down? ALL of it? All bets are off and like you said, everyone would be off to tend to their families. We'd fend better up here because cops are of the towns they protect. Things are tightly knit in New England outside of Boston, the townie notion is real.

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  136. syonredux says:
    @joef
    I agree, I lived next to both communities and the Hispanics are a much more preferable people to be with, and given the choice I rather have this nation have more Hispanics than more afro americans. The fault lies mostly with our own elites for the current assimilation problems with Hispanics. If required to do so, like immigrant groups in the past, the Hispanics would assimilate with American culture. They do not because the leftist encourage them not to. And illegal immigration is the fault of leftist social engineering policies, coupled with corporatist demands for cheap labor. Who do you blame for this, the puppets or the puppet master political elites.

    Afro american radicalism/activism is totally different because they are proactively involved in rejecting this nation (except for their handouts of course), and are hostile to those around them.
    When it comes down to it, I rather live in an alien Hispanic culture than a dysfunctional and arbitrarily violent afro american culture. That is why I believe 'Syonredux' comments, although insightful, is not concentrating on the real problem of afro american antisocial culture. Hispanics have a functioning culture that we can assimilate, and we can coexist with; but radical afro americans do not want to coexist peacefully, and are parasitical to our economic system's vitality. So to me the choice is clear and comparing Hispanic problems to radical afro american problems is like comparing a matchstick to an inferno. Hispanic problems in this nation are solvable, but our radical afro american problems are almost completely unsolvable.

    I agree, I lived next to both communities and the Hispanics are a much more preferable people to be with, and given the choice I rather have this nation have more Hispanics than more afro americans.

    Which tends to be how this is phrased. The lesser of two evils.

    The fault lies mostly with our own elites for the current assimilation problems with Hispanics. If required to do so, like immigrant groups in the past, the Hispanics would assimilate with American culture.

    But, seeing as how elite attitudes are not going to change on that point……Well, let’s just write finis to Anglo-America.

    Hispanics have a functioning culture that we can assimilate, and we can coexist with;

    Well, we have a case-study showing what that looks like. It’s called New Mexico, and it’s quite depressing:

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/waiting-for-super-flynn/

    https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2016/04/01/not-yet/

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  137. @Jim Christian
    I don't know. Virginia State Police, Fairfax County Police have killed many a Black criminal robber that came to Virginia from DC to try their luck with banks and stores. They were often shot into complete states of death. These police are quasi-military, they take no guff from anyone out on the street. They're paid like shit, but funded like crazy and they live to bust bad guys. In their eyes, we are all equally worthless. Not terribly different from U.S. Marshals are the Virginia State Police. And, in Virginia, unlike over in DC, the Blacks get no bail, no deals and they receive actual felony sentences in hard-time prisons in the South of Virginia, IF they don't get themselves killed. In protecting subdivisions in a riotous, come-out-to-the-suburbs environment, these folks would protect against the outsiders.

    That is encouraging to know. I love how you say, “In their eyes, we are all equally worthless.” So true. They adopt the cop mentality that feels it is them against us. Some of us are criminals but everyone is a suspect. That’s why I am polite when I have to deal with police and happy to be quit of them when I am. There is just too much simmering animosity, barely under the surface, towards the public for me to want to be exposed to for any longer than necessary. They are the only group that can say the word “Sir” during a stop and it is basically intoned as mother fucker.

    But along those lines. If it gets to the point of everyone for themselves, The concept of armed insurrection is just that…a concept. I have 187 rounds of 5.56 and 9mm. There are no doubt some nut jobs out there with tens of thousands of rounds hoarded somewhere. But a normal person that would take to the streets and march on the square would soon be out of ammo. And the government would have long since closed and shuttered the stores that would sell more. And unlike our opponents in the Korean or Vietnam wars we would not be able to depend on Russia or China for resupply.

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    I don't disagree as to the attitudes of streets cops. In Northern Virginia, the cops don't have the big-city worries of Chicago cops, it's a suburb, and still they're assholes, even in a traffic stop. Every encounter, every traffic ticket starts with hand-on-weapon as they approach. They've been TAUGHT that way, they're militarized. That's the civilians' fault. Also, street patrolmen in cars in the suburbs are overarmed in my belief. They get into a situation and they send rounds zinging all over the neighborhood. No need for a suburban cop to be armed with 75 rounds of .40 hollowpoint and a Glock, it's nuts. Sorry. Get a couple of them together, it gets seriously fucked up. Again, post-911, civilians asked for all this.

    I'd put street cops on the street with 6-shooters and three speed loaders myself. They'd develop better tactics, they'd have to. Retreat, call for help, make every shot count. No reason back at the car they couldn't have a .40 or an M-16, but initial approach should be revolvers. There are too many of these deals involving traffic stops where the cops empty 15 rounds into a defenseless citizen without even thinking about it. In the days before every cop carried a semi-auto, however, sentencing was stiffer against bad guys, especially recidivists.

    I left Northern Virginia in part because of a lot of that, local governments turning the highways into revenue streams, the traffic courts, cameras, always having to fend off a system determined to get into your wallet. I service phones and IT, I drive a LOT and have a clean record, but to that end, in Northern Virginia (and Md and DC) you're in traffic court fighting bullshit tickets two or three times a year and oh, cops, do they ever lie when it suits. Maybe all that's the result of a small town becoming big and rich. Maybe it's the DC area, there are such a sheer variety of cops, all with jurisdiction, all contestants armed. I could name at least a dozen police agencies with full, shoot-to-kill roadside authority in any jurisdiction in Virginia. Whatever, I bailed, left for New England in 2009, never looked back.

    From Boston to the North Shore, cops are a different animal. I believe I'll stay. Practically no Dindu and the football is better, too.
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  138. Ron Unz says:
    @joef
    I understand what you are saying. But I still believe the overall & per capita destruction from afro americans in terms of crime and entitlements far exceeds the Hispanics. Hispanics are interested in working to make money, whereas afro americans are interested in revolution. Hispanics are able to support themselves, whereas many afro americans cannot, are ungrateful dependents, and are a huge economic burden. Afro americans are completely obsessed with race, whereas Hispanics are interested in going about their business. Generally Hispanics do not need us to fawn on them, whereas afro americans demand constant pandering and appeasement.
    Again data shows that afro americans kill more people in this nation than any other group.

    If you removed the criminal gang factor from the Hispanic immigration population, the main problem would be their entering this nation illegally in violation of our immigration laws. But who's fault is that? I say its our liberal elites and our Federal govt who is allowing this to happen (with corporatist encouragement for cheap labor). The illegal Hispanic immigrant is just seizing the opportunity to make some money, mostly out of desperation. If this country declines further economically, and/or we tightened regulations/enforcement regarding immigration & remittances, the problem will mostly solve itself by their returning back to their country of origin.

    However the exception that will not fix itself is the criminal gangs. They are not here to send money back home for their families; they are here to exploit us through organized crime activities. If we tightened immigration regs, that will not affect the gangs desire to stay/leave this nation. However that is where we should have placed our most ardent focus. Our first priority should be to send back illegal immigrant felons, as soon as they finish their criminal prison sentence. But we are not doing that, and it begs the question 'why'?

    Maybe we should think about Presidential and State Governor oaths of office where they pledge to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic. Maybe its time to declare war on our domestic enemies of dangerous criminal gangs and other violent revolutionaries. And then if the leftist get in the way, we should charge them with treason.
    Can only dream, because we all know it will never happen. We are headed to destruction, and currently the main group I see rioting, looting, and committing arson in our cities are afro americans (even after natural disasters like Katrina). They are doing this when times are relatively good, just wait to see what they will do when times are bad.

    I understand what you are saying. But I still believe the overall & per capita destruction from afro americans in terms of crime and entitlements far exceeds the Hispanics.

    The problem is that our friend “syonredux” is some sort of nutty and innumerate English-lit major, who endlessly spams comment-threads with the same repeated quotes, sometimes very long ones taken straight from Wikipedia. His/her opinions on any racial issues are essentially worthless.

    Here’s a simple experiment anyone interested exploring these issues can easily undertake…

    As all of you know, there are lots and lots of racialist/Alt-Right/WN websites on the Internet, websites that enormously dislike both blacks and Hispanics and are always looking for examples of their bad behavior to highlight. Yet although these websites are overflowing with news reports of blacks beating, robbing, raping, or killing innocent whites, they seem to have an *incredibly* difficult time finding similar stories about Hispanics, with articles about the latter often restricted to some prominent Hispanic figure caught making some mildly disparaging remarks about whites or maybe insulting Donald Trump. Indeed, they’re so hard-up to find any Hispanics who killed innocent whites that they’re usually forced to include drunk-drivers, which isn’t exactly the same thing, given how many whites get into such crashes as well. My guess is the ratio of “bad behavior” stories between blacks and Hispanics is something like 20x, 30x, maybe 50x. Consider also that detecting Hispanic crimes in the MSM is much easier since almost all Hispanics have distinctive names while a good fraction of blacks have typically Anglo-Saxon ones, and can’t be detected without photos.

    So we must conclude either that VDare, Jared Taylor, and all the other racialist, anti-Hispanic websites are unaccountably covering-up serious Hispanic misbehavior, or maybe there really isn’t all that much of it. You might also want to take a look at the major quantitiative articles I’ve myself published on this topic:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    http://www.unz.com/article/race-and-crime-in-america/

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    Agreed. From my personal anecdotal experience, I am almost always more at ease walking through a Hispanic community rather than a afro american urban ghetto. And working with both, Hispanics have, by far, much better work ethic. The leftist elites using Hispanics as socially engineered pawns is the fault of the leftist elites, not the Hispanics themselves.
    , @syonredux

    The problem is that our friend “syonredux” is some sort of nutty and innumerate English-lit major,
     
    Ron, I can't help it if studying and teaching English Lit has given me a strong appreciation for Anglo culture....

    who endlessly spams comment-threads with the same repeated quotes, sometimes very long ones taken straight from Wikipedia.
     
    Gosh, Ron. Seems to me that I've been citing some pretty sound stuff in response to Fred Reed's rampant Hispanophila....

    His/her opinions on any racial issues are essentially worthless.
     
    Yes, Ron, we all know your theory that Super-Flynn is going to raise the mean IQ of Mestizo and Amerind Hispanics to 100 real soon...

    Here’s a simple experiment anyone interested exploring these issues can easily undertake…

    As all of you know, there are lots and lots of racialist/Alt-Right/WN websites on the Internet, websites that enormously dislike both blacks and Hispanics and are always looking for examples of their bad behavior to highlight.
     
    MMM, I prefer to concentrate on the fact that Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds have low IQs. And then there's the matter of their poor performance in the arts and the sciences.Now, since Ron just hates it when I quote facts and statistics, I suggest that the good people reading this post go and compare/contrast Anglo-America with Latin America in terms of the Nobel Prize and the Fields Medal. It's quite illuminating.
    , @Marcus
    Yes, even heavily "Hispanic" Texas is enduring a veritable White Terror http://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/
    , @Jeff77450
    Latino crime, while not as bad as blacks', is worse than the official stats suggest. Google "Texas Ten Most Wanted" and look at the faces, names and the race given for each. I'll save you the trouble: you'll see a bunch of Latino men with their race listed as white/Caucasian.

    Another factor, and you already know this, is that illegal aliens are reluctant to report crimes for the obvious reason that they fear being deported. Latino (and black) crime-stats are worse than they appear.
    , @syonredux
    And since I have your attention, Ron, any ideas as to when exactly Super-Flynn will elevate mean Hispanic IQ in the USA to 100? Will it happen by, say, 2060? When Hispanics are expected to form around 30% of the population? See, I have this crackpot notion that it won't be good for the American Hive Mind if 30% of the population has a mean that's ten points below 100....


    And, although I'm quite glad that the Hispanic influx into America has made your life easier by driving Blacks out, you might want to think about what it means for people who used to live in Anglo neighborhoods. See, I have friends and relatives who have had to deal with their neighborhoods flipping from Anglo to Hispanic, and the results aren't pretty.For example, it's quite unpleasant being an Anglo girl at a majority Hispanic High School......
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  139. Corvinus says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    Besides, do not white people have the liberty to choose for themselves who they marry and procreate with?
     
    Not if they're closely related, or if they're already married to someone else. A ban on interracial marriages is along the same lines as these other bans. Marriage is either a right, or it isn't.

    Law aside, there are social and moral questions to consider. White and Asian coalburners are engaging in predatory behavior toward an already beleaguered population in the marriage market. It's also legal to sell those people lottery tickets. But it's not moral.

    By the way, speaking of whites' liberty, under the Virginia law thrown out by Loving, whites were the only race unable to marry outside their race. Blacks, Indians, and Asians could marry those of any race, except white. Like men with the military draft, whites were held to higher standards. What's wrong with that?

    “Since when is diagnosis insult?”

    Except it’s not a diagnosis, it’s a wild generalization. It’s intellectually sterile when a leftist or rightist characterizes their opponent as being “mentally ill”.

    “Not if they’re closely related, or if they’re already married to someone else.”

    I wasn’t referring to cousin marriage, the topic at hand was whether a white is able to marry a non-white. Stay on task.

    “A ban on interracial marriages is along the same lines as these other bans. Marriage is either a right, or it isn’t.”

    Do you even comprehend life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? An unrelated white person choosing to have offspring with an unrelated non-white, and vice versa, is a fundamental right. Only a fascist would seek to ban interracial marriages.

    “Law aside, there are social and moral questions to consider. White and Asian coalburners are engaging in predatory behavior toward an already beleaguered population in the marriage market.”

    You’re going to have to offer specific instances of this alleged “predatory behavior” rather than make unfounded accusations.

    “By the way, speaking of whites’ liberty, under the Virginia law thrown out by Loving, whites were the only race unable to marry outside their race. Blacks, Indians, and Asians could marry those of any race, except white. Like men with the military draft, whites were held to higher standards. What’s wrong with that?”

    The human race supersedes individual races.

    Remember, Moses’ wife was of another race. In Numbers 12:1-15, Aaron and Miriam were punished for criticizing this interracial marriage. Colossians 3:11 makes it clear that from God’s perspective all are one in Christ. The Bible is clear that when both parties are believers (equally yoked), interracial marriage is not wrong.

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    I wasn’t referring to cousin marriage, the topic at hand was whether a white is able to marry a non-white. Stay on task.
     
    All marriage is cousin marriage. We're even cousins of ourselves, many times over, if you go back far enough.

    Only a fascist would seek to ban interracial marriages.
     
    So Virginians were fascists?

    Anyway, I didn't say they should be banned, only discouraged. Kind of like smoking and casino gambling. There's this whole grey area between "shouldn't" and "shouldn't be allowed to" that you might want to discover and explore...

    The human race supersedes individual races.
     
    That view endorses genocide. Read Lemkin's second definition of the term. Or check out Steve's stuff on the Afro-Mexicans.
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  140. syonredux says:
    @TheJester
    Ths Hispanics also organize for self-help, which includes everything from doctors, to lawyers, to auto mechanics. Hispanics have their own underground economy. Most important, Hispanics do not riot and are not a permanent welfare class.

    If their IQs are on average 10 points below the average citizen of northern European extraction, that is at least enough to participate in an industrial (or, I should rather say post-industrial) economy. (That cannot be said of the Blacks.) Therefore, I do not see the the future as bleak for Anglo-Americans with controlled Hispanic immigration.

    It is also a closed case that encouraging more immigration from northern Europe would solve the problem of low birth rates among Anglo-Americans and other Americans of European extraction. The Europeans have ALL caught the liberal disease of individualism and feminism, too. Western civilization is a dying civilization. Importing more Europeans would only create more liberal/progressive voters who believe in globalism and the equality of all racial extractions, cultures, and religions. Faced with this, Hispanics will do just nicely ... thank you.

    If their IQs are on average 10 points below the average citizen of northern European extraction, that is at least enough to participate in an industrial (or, I should rather say post-industrial) economy. (That cannot be said of the Blacks.) Therefore, I do not see the the future as bleak for Anglo-Americans with controlled Hispanic immigration.

    But we don’t have “controlled” Hispanic immigration. And (pace Mr Trump), there is little prospect of change on this point.

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  141. Ed says:
    @tim s
    In general, I agree with much of what you say, but only to a certain extent. What you consider impossible I'd say will only be difficult. The difficulty will lie in overcoming the spiritual and mental weakness as a whole that comes from an extended period of a life of ease. Much of the western white world fits this description. Nothing like a life of struggle to refocus the mind on what is important, such as community & family, courage & commitment, and I think we all know that this is coming. Many of us feel this refocusing within ourselves, and see that is is happening among others of similar heritage.

    "Whites, culturally and communally, are not capable of being homogenized. Meaning they simply do not mix into a cohesive, collective group"

    Historically this statement is not accurate. There is no way that the western civilization could have been built like it has over the past few centuries if whites were incapable of cohesive, collective action and mindset. That doesn't mean we all hold hands and sing songs of unity, but we still got shit done, and maintained it very well with nothing other than our own initiative, individually and collectively. It was in our nature to take care of GOD, FAMILY & COMMUNITY, in that order. That mindset alone was sufficient to bind the people together, although they might have appeared to be individuals. The labor movement of the late 19th and early 20th centuries shows that collective action among very large communities of modern western peoples for a distinct purpose is possible. When the pressure is really on and survival is in question, the large number of people who do still have some life left in their bones and blood will find community again. I doubt it will be a large percentage of them, but it will not be insignificant.

    That being said, it is not just a white thing. Where I am, there is a very large percentage of the population that is Hispanic. There is a very significant overlap between whites and Hispanics, both in culture and mindset. Regardless of what the media portrayal is, I see a great amount of respect between the two, and even admiration. There is already a strong cultural overlap by race mixing going back a long time. Northern Mexican culture has strong German influences, and these people for the most part integrate into the traditional white populations of the US very well. I'd say they are even a boon to an extent, since they still have some of the strengths of character that have whithered in the white population for reasons mentioned above as well as others.

    I quibble with the term "whites" in the 1st place, it being a bit too general a term. There's too much variety between the "white" cultures to group them together in that way. Regardless of what many people think, skin color is not the defining cultural distinction, although it is a good initial indicator.

    I agree which is one major reason why TX is still stubbornly GOP.

    I will say though that the most recent migration is from the more Indian segment of Mexican & Central American society. So there is a real risk of ghettoization, still I don’t see them getting as depraved as blacks.

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  142. joef says:
    @Ron Unz

    I understand what you are saying. But I still believe the overall & per capita destruction from afro americans in terms of crime and entitlements far exceeds the Hispanics.
     
    The problem is that our friend "syonredux" is some sort of nutty and innumerate English-lit major, who endlessly spams comment-threads with the same repeated quotes, sometimes very long ones taken straight from Wikipedia. His/her opinions on any racial issues are essentially worthless.

    Here's a simple experiment anyone interested exploring these issues can easily undertake...

    As all of you know, there are lots and lots of racialist/Alt-Right/WN websites on the Internet, websites that enormously dislike both blacks and Hispanics and are always looking for examples of their bad behavior to highlight. Yet although these websites are overflowing with news reports of blacks beating, robbing, raping, or killing innocent whites, they seem to have an *incredibly* difficult time finding similar stories about Hispanics, with articles about the latter often restricted to some prominent Hispanic figure caught making some mildly disparaging remarks about whites or maybe insulting Donald Trump. Indeed, they're so hard-up to find any Hispanics who killed innocent whites that they're usually forced to include drunk-drivers, which isn't exactly the same thing, given how many whites get into such crashes as well. My guess is the ratio of "bad behavior" stories between blacks and Hispanics is something like 20x, 30x, maybe 50x. Consider also that detecting Hispanic crimes in the MSM is much easier since almost all Hispanics have distinctive names while a good fraction of blacks have typically Anglo-Saxon ones, and can't be detected without photos.

    So we must conclude either that VDare, Jared Taylor, and all the other racialist, anti-Hispanic websites are unaccountably covering-up serious Hispanic misbehavior, or maybe there really isn't all that much of it. You might also want to take a look at the major quantitiative articles I've myself published on this topic:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    http://www.unz.com/article/race-and-crime-in-america/

    Agreed. From my personal anecdotal experience, I am almost always more at ease walking through a Hispanic community rather than a afro american urban ghetto. And working with both, Hispanics have, by far, much better work ethic. The leftist elites using Hispanics as socially engineered pawns is the fault of the leftist elites, not the Hispanics themselves.

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    Agreed. From my personal anecdotal experience, I am almost always more at ease walking through a Hispanic community rather than a afro american urban ghetto.
     
    Exactly. I live in Palo Alto and right next door is East Palo Alto, which went from overwhelmingly black to overwhelmingly Hispanic over the last couple of decades, with *enormous* corresponding changes in its character:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/jamiel-shaw-rip/#comment-1497612
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  143. syonredux says:
    @Ron Unz

    I understand what you are saying. But I still believe the overall & per capita destruction from afro americans in terms of crime and entitlements far exceeds the Hispanics.
     
    The problem is that our friend "syonredux" is some sort of nutty and innumerate English-lit major, who endlessly spams comment-threads with the same repeated quotes, sometimes very long ones taken straight from Wikipedia. His/her opinions on any racial issues are essentially worthless.

    Here's a simple experiment anyone interested exploring these issues can easily undertake...

    As all of you know, there are lots and lots of racialist/Alt-Right/WN websites on the Internet, websites that enormously dislike both blacks and Hispanics and are always looking for examples of their bad behavior to highlight. Yet although these websites are overflowing with news reports of blacks beating, robbing, raping, or killing innocent whites, they seem to have an *incredibly* difficult time finding similar stories about Hispanics, with articles about the latter often restricted to some prominent Hispanic figure caught making some mildly disparaging remarks about whites or maybe insulting Donald Trump. Indeed, they're so hard-up to find any Hispanics who killed innocent whites that they're usually forced to include drunk-drivers, which isn't exactly the same thing, given how many whites get into such crashes as well. My guess is the ratio of "bad behavior" stories between blacks and Hispanics is something like 20x, 30x, maybe 50x. Consider also that detecting Hispanic crimes in the MSM is much easier since almost all Hispanics have distinctive names while a good fraction of blacks have typically Anglo-Saxon ones, and can't be detected without photos.

    So we must conclude either that VDare, Jared Taylor, and all the other racialist, anti-Hispanic websites are unaccountably covering-up serious Hispanic misbehavior, or maybe there really isn't all that much of it. You might also want to take a look at the major quantitiative articles I've myself published on this topic:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    http://www.unz.com/article/race-and-crime-in-america/

    The problem is that our friend “syonredux” is some sort of nutty and innumerate English-lit major,

    Ron, I can’t help it if studying and teaching English Lit has given me a strong appreciation for Anglo culture….

    who endlessly spams comment-threads with the same repeated quotes, sometimes very long ones taken straight from Wikipedia.

    Gosh, Ron. Seems to me that I’ve been citing some pretty sound stuff in response to Fred Reed’s rampant Hispanophila….

    His/her opinions on any racial issues are essentially worthless.

    Yes, Ron, we all know your theory that Super-Flynn is going to raise the mean IQ of Mestizo and Amerind Hispanics to 100 real soon…

    Here’s a simple experiment anyone interested exploring these issues can easily undertake…

    As all of you know, there are lots and lots of racialist/Alt-Right/WN websites on the Internet, websites that enormously dislike both blacks and Hispanics and are always looking for examples of their bad behavior to highlight.

    MMM, I prefer to concentrate on the fact that Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds have low IQs. And then there’s the matter of their poor performance in the arts and the sciences.Now, since Ron just hates it when I quote facts and statistics, I suggest that the good people reading this post go and compare/contrast Anglo-America with Latin America in terms of the Nobel Prize and the Fields Medal. It’s quite illuminating.

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  144. Outwest says:
    @Durruti
    Your knowledge and understanding of history is exceedingly weak.

    "the loss of 600,000 lives in the Civil War to set them free."

    In America's Civil War, 250,000 supporters of the Confederacy, and supporters of the institution of Slavery, died. And 350,000 opponents of succession (supporters of the unity of the USA), some of whom also opposed the practice of Slavery, died.

    You also fail to acknowledge that 100,000 African Americans served in the Union armies (hastily recruited and serving at half pay - they participated in much front line fighting).

    You fail to mention:

    1. African slaves worked 300 years without pay.

    2. They were refused permission to form families or Marry.

    3. They were not allowed to join established churches.

    4. And it was a capital offense (look that up), for a slave to learn, or for someone to teach a slave to read and write (basic literacy).

    5. You fail to note that Africans brought in chains to America were denied the rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, enshrined in our Declaration of Independence.

    At the end of the Civil War,the Republican party favored the awarding of 40 acres and a mule, and 1 years credit to freed slaves who would form family units. This reasonable suggestion was beaten down in Congress by, the assassination of JF Kennedy - er President Abraham Lincoln, the Republican Party leader, and a coalition of Democratic Party reactionaries.

    Reparations for African Americans, would be as creative an idea as that of re-industrializing America, and restoring our Republic (assassinated on November 22, 1963.

    Joef, I question your IQ. It appears to be quite low. Do some reading. Search your conscience.
    At least you care enough - to participate on this excellent forum.

    You seem to be confusing rights and principles. The Constitution deals (or did) with “rights” while the Declaration states the principles under which the people severed their ties with England.

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    "You seem to be confusing rights and principles."

    Golly! I must be confused.

    From the Declaration of Independence:

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    You are literate? You do read; "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    You do see the "Rights," right after "unalienable," and just before "that?"

    Who is confused?

    I dare you to stand up and admit it.

    For the Restoration of our Democratic Republic! That is Our Only Road - to Freedom.
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  145. schmenz says:
    @joef
    Not as a low bar as you think. I lived next to both type of communities for a long time.
    The mainland hispanics do not bother anyone with aggressive panhandling like the afro americans do.
    They maintain their homes & neighborhoods in a clean and orderly manner unlike most afro americans.
    They do not routinely litter nor do they publicly urinate (except when the young males are intox on a weekend night) like afro americans do.
    They are always working or looking for work.
    They do not drive as recklessly as afro americans do.
    The males have a sense of responsibility towards the financial upkeep of their family (& offspring) unlike most of the afro americans males.
    They are more polite than afro americans and commit less crimes overall.
    If you lived next to both, the contrast is striking. The outliers are the violent hispanic drug gangs that our govt negligently allowed to migrate inside this country.

    I rather keep my eye on the ball of where our primary problems are, rather than worry about the hispanic not being perfect.
    The real problem is that afro americans kill more people in this country than any other group (including terrorism)! On top of that, their entitlements is placing a huge financial burden upon the rest of us. And for all this they show no contrition, nor any appreciation. They just demand more more more with no end in sight.
    The leftist produced racial balkanization with afro americans, coupled with economic problems of our glorified national ponzi scheme, is a recipe for disaster for this nation.

    I see this very thing in my own city, so I know you are correct.

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  146. schmenz says:
    @joef
    Regarding your comment 'Giuliani saved NYC' - - This will probably not be duplicated again, because of the lack of political will, for some of the following reasons:

    The current millennials have no personal life experience (living memory) with very high crime.
    And many hipsters (who are mostly rejects from their own home towns and came to NYC to fit in with each other) came from areas that were not plagued with high crime. Thus these two groups have no understanding what it was like to live in the bad old days of very high crime.

    Added to that is that the polite fashionably liberal whites have no stomach for aggressive policing against afro americans because of their belief in politically correct propaganda. They rather make believe that there is no afro american crime problem and will never politically agree to the solutions necessary to control it (because they rather pretend that their is no problem in the first place).

    Added to this: Giuliani was an aggressive egocentric personality who was willing the endure relentless MSM criticism, and I doubt you will find a pandering politician today willing to do the same.

    Added to this is the Ferguson effect has already taken root among urban ghetto cops. They are protecting their own rational self interest by being reactive to crime (as report takers) instead of practicing proactive policing. They are providing the kind of policing that is demanded of them by public outcry and the MSM.

    Added to this is city administrations want the mutually exclusive goals of lower crime and risk adverse nonaggressive policing. Without courts doing their jobs of providing adequate prison sentencing to violent felons, all the onus falls upon the police to contain crime. This then leads to more aggressive crime control practices than would not normally be necessary (as opposed to an order maintenance style of policing used by Europe/Japan, when the majority of violent felons are in prison like they are suppose to be). But like the old communist phrase states 'you cannot make an omelet without breaking some eggs'; as a result aggressive police tactics causes anger with said practices even if it diminishes crime.

    However there are not too many tools in the tool box to accomplish lowering violent crime by the police themselves. There are stop and frisk (which are actually a semi randomized stop & search which is different in what the law describes as a Terry Stop), broken windows enforcement for minor offenses (because violent felons are too stupid to stay off the radar while they are wanted for a crime), and omnipresence (which has a huge expense in personnel requirements). When aggressive policing is discouraged the only thing left is the omnipresence model.
    But realistically there will never be enough cops to stop all criminal opportunity, so then electronic surveillance is used to supplement this practice . The down side of this is that it makes this nation resemble an Orwellian surveillance state.

    What makes this problem worse is that many suburban/rural police departments (the ones without urban ghettos) are concentrating on aggressively attacking working people as a revenue source instead of attacking ghetto crime problems. The overuse of SWAT teams by small police departments for more routine enforcement functions (not armed barricaded situations that they were originally meant for) is also causing a negative reaction to what is termed as militarized police.
    This situation is causing a loss of support & confidence for the police overall, which also affects urban ghetto cops (who have no time for such silly revenue seeking practices, nor care for conducting such petty enforcement when they have real violence to contend with).

    That is why my friend you will never see the Giuliani style of criminal suppression again. This is all going end up playing itself out in another way when afro american violence and entitlements exhausts the resources of this nation; then maybe we will see some sort of correction, but probably not until then.

    Brilliant analysis. Thank you.

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  147. Durruti says:
    @Chris Mallory
    Yes, we should give reparations to any black who can prove they were alive and held as a slave before 1860. Otherwise, I suggest they start swimming back to Africa.

    “I suggest they start swimming back to Africa.”

    Your printed remarks utterly condemn you. You are a Hater.

    There is only one Race, The Human Race. I suggest you join it. The descendants of any people whose ancestors were abused deserve recompense. Reparations are a Moral imperative, as much as a financial one.

    By negative Analogy: The Zionist puppet Congress awarded $13Trillion to the top Oligarchs in the infamous Bailout. That Bailout represented a shift in wealth that undermined all the citizens of our Nation, and was one of the most Immoral Acts committed by the Zionist Oligarch’s puppet Congress.

    We must Restore our Republic! That is the difficult task you cower from addressing.

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    The descendants of any people whose ancestors were abused deserve recompense. Reparations are a Moral imperative, as much as a financial one.
     
    Absolute bullshit. Absolutely zero political, social, or moral philosophical support for such nonsense. Pure claptrap. Go get the descendants of Tamerlane to pay reparations to the ME city-states they demolished, murdering every inhabitant. Genghis Khan, too, while you're at it. Go find the descendants of the German aristocracy that persecuted my Prussian peasant ancestors.

    What poppycock!! Makes me wanna puke that dumbassedness of such caliber walks the earth.
    , @Chris Mallory
    Great, when do I get my check for the livestock my ancestors lost when the yankee troops took their slaves? With compounded interest, I figure that should be a couple million dollars.
    , @Wizard of Oz
    Some of my ancestors were transported as convicts for deeds which would not be criminal or not prosecuted today and in some cases (Irish) were just patriotic. How should I quantify my claim and should I be exempt from the taxation needed to finance the reparations or damages?
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  148. Ron Unz says:
    @joef
    Agreed. From my personal anecdotal experience, I am almost always more at ease walking through a Hispanic community rather than a afro american urban ghetto. And working with both, Hispanics have, by far, much better work ethic. The leftist elites using Hispanics as socially engineered pawns is the fault of the leftist elites, not the Hispanics themselves.

    Agreed. From my personal anecdotal experience, I am almost always more at ease walking through a Hispanic community rather than a afro american urban ghetto.

    Exactly. I live in Palo Alto and right next door is East Palo Alto, which went from overwhelmingly black to overwhelmingly Hispanic over the last couple of decades, with *enormous* corresponding changes in its character:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/jamiel-shaw-rip/#comment-1497612

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    Agreed. From my personal anecdotal experience, I am almost always more at ease walking through a Hispanic community rather than a afro american urban ghetto.

    Exactly. I live in Palo Alto and right next door is East Palo Alto, which went from overwhelmingly black to overwhelmingly Hispanic over the last couple of decades, with *enormous* corresponding changes in its character:
     
    Let me just make sure that I have this straight. The chief selling point for massive levels of immigration by Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds is that they are better than Blacks?And that Ron Unz now feels safer living in close proximity to East Palo Alto?
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  149. Durruti says:
    @Outwest
    You seem to be confusing rights and principles. The Constitution deals (or did) with “rights” while the Declaration states the principles under which the people severed their ties with England.

    “You seem to be confusing rights and principles.”

    Golly! I must be confused.

    From the Declaration of Independence:

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

    You are literate? You do read; “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

    You do see the “Rights,” right after “unalienable,” and just before “that?”

    Who is confused?

    I dare you to stand up and admit it.

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    It’s a DECLARATION of Independence. The idea, which is based on French theory, deals with the natural right of an individual –if in concert with enough other individuals of the same mind- to decide whom he selects to govern him. The only right involved is the right to form a government. Even the Confederacy had this right if not the army to back it.

    Rights under our selected government are to be found in the Constitution –though that has degraded to the whim of a small group of political appointees.
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  150. syonredux says:
    @Ron Unz

    Agreed. From my personal anecdotal experience, I am almost always more at ease walking through a Hispanic community rather than a afro american urban ghetto.
     
    Exactly. I live in Palo Alto and right next door is East Palo Alto, which went from overwhelmingly black to overwhelmingly Hispanic over the last couple of decades, with *enormous* corresponding changes in its character:

    http://www.unz.com/isteve/jamiel-shaw-rip/#comment-1497612

    Agreed. From my personal anecdotal experience, I am almost always more at ease walking through a Hispanic community rather than a afro american urban ghetto.

    Exactly. I live in Palo Alto and right next door is East Palo Alto, which went from overwhelmingly black to overwhelmingly Hispanic over the last couple of decades, with *enormous* corresponding changes in its character:

    Let me just make sure that I have this straight. The chief selling point for massive levels of immigration by Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds is that they are better than Blacks?And that Ron Unz now feels safer living in close proximity to East Palo Alto?

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    "The chief selling point for massive levels of immigration by Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds ..."
    Where have you found such a selling point on this site? Look again at the photograph at the heading of this article. - This should bring you back to the main topic of this discussion.
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  151. I’ve never seen a sober Negro, or White man, begging in the streets.

    Hard drinking “American Culture” guarantees a robust class of losers for smart and savvy people to fleece.

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  152. Marcus says:
    @Ron Unz

    I understand what you are saying. But I still believe the overall & per capita destruction from afro americans in terms of crime and entitlements far exceeds the Hispanics.
     
    The problem is that our friend "syonredux" is some sort of nutty and innumerate English-lit major, who endlessly spams comment-threads with the same repeated quotes, sometimes very long ones taken straight from Wikipedia. His/her opinions on any racial issues are essentially worthless.

    Here's a simple experiment anyone interested exploring these issues can easily undertake...

    As all of you know, there are lots and lots of racialist/Alt-Right/WN websites on the Internet, websites that enormously dislike both blacks and Hispanics and are always looking for examples of their bad behavior to highlight. Yet although these websites are overflowing with news reports of blacks beating, robbing, raping, or killing innocent whites, they seem to have an *incredibly* difficult time finding similar stories about Hispanics, with articles about the latter often restricted to some prominent Hispanic figure caught making some mildly disparaging remarks about whites or maybe insulting Donald Trump. Indeed, they're so hard-up to find any Hispanics who killed innocent whites that they're usually forced to include drunk-drivers, which isn't exactly the same thing, given how many whites get into such crashes as well. My guess is the ratio of "bad behavior" stories between blacks and Hispanics is something like 20x, 30x, maybe 50x. Consider also that detecting Hispanic crimes in the MSM is much easier since almost all Hispanics have distinctive names while a good fraction of blacks have typically Anglo-Saxon ones, and can't be detected without photos.

    So we must conclude either that VDare, Jared Taylor, and all the other racialist, anti-Hispanic websites are unaccountably covering-up serious Hispanic misbehavior, or maybe there really isn't all that much of it. You might also want to take a look at the major quantitiative articles I've myself published on this topic:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    http://www.unz.com/article/race-and-crime-in-america/

    Yes, even heavily “Hispanic” Texas is enduring a veritable White Terror http://www.dps.texas.gov/texas10mostwanted/

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  153. schmenz says:
    @Michelle
    Unfortunately, many African-Americans are descended from very, very bad white people. Fact! I have been reading, with great fascination, the court petitions filed in the south during the slave era. My God are the petitions illuminating. Many white women were horrifically abused by husbands who married them merely to get their hands on their property and often on their wives' female slaves. Many of the white men who clearly preferred "Congress" with Black female slaves were violent, sadistic, abusive drunkards. Quite a few men who were the first immigrants to the US and the Caribbean, were sent there by their families because of their scandalous behaviors back in Britain. This DNA runs in the veins of American Blacks. They should pay themselves reparations. After all, their direct ancestors were actually slave owners.

    Illuminating also, are the many petitions by white men for divorces because their wives are engaged in intercourse with Black and Mulatto men. Many white women were accused of birthing Black and Mulatto babies in the early 1800's.

    https://library.uncg.edu/slavery/petitions/results.aspx?s=3&sid=65

    At the very least, Michelle, these statements deserve an awfully large amount of scrutiny by unbiased researchers.

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  154. Durruti says:
    @joef
    You failed to note that Africans sold us the slaves to begin with.

    You failed to note that most whites, including the south, never owned a slave.

    You failed to note that there is no one alive today in America who owned a slave;
    nor is there any afro american alive (or their great grand parents) who were ever a slave.

    And like a typical leftist, you must add the ad hominem attack in your comments.
    {I know, if anyone does not hold to your obfuscated truths regarding radical afro americans, then they must have a low IQ!}

    Without modern societies protections, liberals would die off from natural selection, because they always try to make reality conform to their own opinions (whereas a normal person formulates opinions based on reality).
    So when the system collapses under the weight of radical afro american burdens, the liberal die off will be an extra side benefit.

    “You failed to note that Africans sold us the slaves to begin with.”

    I have not the time to reply to all your ignorant rants. I will respond to the one quoted above.

    1. Many Africans were enslaved by armed European and American slavers – raiding African villages and grabbing all the residents they could.

    2. Other slaves were acquired by means of purchasing them from – mostly – Portuguese slave marketers, (some of whom, but not all, were Jewish).

    3. You Haters conveniently fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the descendants of those who benefited from, or allowed slavery to exist, to recompense the descendants of their brutalized ancestors.

    You imply that if you purchase a slave, that act makes it somehow morally, (and financially) acceptable – than if you actually go out and hunt for Humans – yourself (and cut out the middle man). Your very utterances condemn you for eternity.

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    And slavery is still going strong in Africa (it would be even more widespread if not for the efforts of European colonists)
    , @El Dato
    You Haters conveniently fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the descendants of those who benefited from (That Which is Hateful)

    Mythical fantasy stuff. Anti-causal and immoral. Very evil, as an "original sin" is being constructed for which someone has to atone and has to pay forevermore.

    Your very utterances condemn you for eternity.

    That's the kind of bullshit I am talking about. Unless you are Jesus condemning The Wandering Jew to his wandering ways till the the Final Days, you have no business talking like that.
    , @Mario Gama
    SURE ! OFF COURSE ! That is very logical thinking....but BEFORE that the MOORS will have to do "reparations" to almost all of Western Europe, the MONGOLS will have to do the same, the TURKS will have to give "reparations" to Europe too, the AFRICAN TRIBES ill have to give "reparations" to all of those they ENSLAVED, the NUBIANS also, the JAPANESE, the CHINESE TRIBES too, he MAYA too, the INCAS, the ZULUS........see where this is going? To the problems CREATED by BLACKS in the U.S. that are being ENABLED by Libcunts and Libwhores, I only say ONE THING....SEPARATION ! SEPARATION ! SEPARATION ! SEPARATION !
    , @joef

    You imply that if you purchase a slave, that act makes it somehow morally, (and financially) acceptable – than if you actually go out and hunt for Humans – yourself (and cut out the middle man). Your very utterances condemn you for eternity.
     
    Sorry, but your inference is not correct, I never made such a statement.

    You Haters conveniently fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the descendants of those who benefited from, or allowed slavery to exist, to recompense the descendants of their brutalized ancestors.

     

    No one alive today in America (with exception of illegal human traffickers) has ever purchased a slave, nor did most of our ancestors ever owned a slave.
    Self important libs like yourself love to throw around baseless accusations at others and call it a well reasoned argument. I know you want to impose collective guilt upon the rest of us, but sorry we are only responsible for our very own actions and no one else's; therefore your argument is rejected for the nonsense that it really is. And your revisionist history is equally useless.

    The only haters are radical afro americans themselves who are completely obsessed with race. Most whites are just trying to struggle with their own lives, and are not interested in condemning blacks. But when constantly antagonized by unwarranted demands and violence, there will be an opposite negative reaction. Radical afro americans instigate the negative response, and if that was not so, there would be no negative feelings towards afro americans.

    Now I will forgive your insults because you are obviously a reality challenged individual (like any other lib), so you probably cannot help your hysterical rants.

    , @Truth
    "1. Many Africans were enslaved by armed European and American slavers – raiding African villages and grabbing all the residents they could."

    In truth, this was rare. White men didn't live long in Africa before malaria drugs.
    , @annamaria
    Slavery in contemporary Africa:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_contemporary_Africa
    , @Ed
    This is factually incorrect as Europeans were incapable of going a few miles into the interior of Western Africa without getting sick & dying. The best ally for the African against European encroachment was the mosquito.

    When you read accounts of actual slave traders you will read accounts of them dealing with savvy and brutal African traders. If for example a European refused to buy a captive his African handler would kill them on the spot. Many sales were completed by threatening to kill the captives. Also along the coast powerful mulatto slave trading families formed and they came to dominate the trade.

    Blaming Europeans is nice but Africans could have said no. They didn't.
    , @Michelle
    I just read a book about Rum. Rum: a Social and Sociable History of the Real Spirit of 1776. Africans became crazy for Rhode Island Rum! They traded a lot of their countrymen, and women, for rum, though, not those from their own tribe, of course.
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  155. Jeff77450 says:

    Absent a “time-machine” I don’t see a solution. (My wife & I are arming ourselves, practicing and obtaining concealed-carry permits). Everything that can be done with legislation and throwing money at the problem has been done—and a lot of it did more harm than good.

    ~40% of all children born in the U.S. are born out-of-wedlock. This has been increasing for all groups. For blacks it’s ~71% with ~55% of black children raised by single-parents. Children born to and/or raised by single-parents have worse stats across-the-board re. crime, substance-abuse and dropping out of school. It would by no means completely solve the problem–not even close–but we should phase-out all the “perverse incentives” that fueled the rise in illegitimate-births that were legislated into existence beginning in the 1960s. Every state should have a birth-control program/policy comparable to Colorado’s:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/science/colorados-push-against-teenage-pregnancies-is-a-startling-success.html?mabReward=CTM&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&region=CColumn&module=Recommendation&src=rechp&WT.nav=RecEngine&_r=0

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  156. Dr. X says:
    @unit472
    The money that is subsidizing the negro population is going to run out soon. Given a choice ( and a choice will have to be made) between sending out social security checks and funding Medicaid the US voter is going to fund Social Security. Public school funding in all but the most affluent suburbs will dry up. Local and state government jobs ( and 55% of the black 'middle class' work for the government) will be cut as pension funding eats up revenue. Even Federal employment will have to be cut as revenues shrink and interest payments on the debt consume a larger portion.

    At the end of the day the American negro will be jettisoned from what remains of the economy. That is not a political prediction but an economic reality.

    The money that is subsidizing the negro population is going to run out soon.

    We’re already $20 trillion past the point where we’ve run out of money.

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    We've been borrowing it for 35 years without a hiccup.

    Your point is better, when the ability to borrow without consequence runs out, the S will truly HTF on too many levels to list.
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  157. Jeff77450 says:
    @Ron Unz

    I understand what you are saying. But I still believe the overall & per capita destruction from afro americans in terms of crime and entitlements far exceeds the Hispanics.
     
    The problem is that our friend "syonredux" is some sort of nutty and innumerate English-lit major, who endlessly spams comment-threads with the same repeated quotes, sometimes very long ones taken straight from Wikipedia. His/her opinions on any racial issues are essentially worthless.

    Here's a simple experiment anyone interested exploring these issues can easily undertake...

    As all of you know, there are lots and lots of racialist/Alt-Right/WN websites on the Internet, websites that enormously dislike both blacks and Hispanics and are always looking for examples of their bad behavior to highlight. Yet although these websites are overflowing with news reports of blacks beating, robbing, raping, or killing innocent whites, they seem to have an *incredibly* difficult time finding similar stories about Hispanics, with articles about the latter often restricted to some prominent Hispanic figure caught making some mildly disparaging remarks about whites or maybe insulting Donald Trump. Indeed, they're so hard-up to find any Hispanics who killed innocent whites that they're usually forced to include drunk-drivers, which isn't exactly the same thing, given how many whites get into such crashes as well. My guess is the ratio of "bad behavior" stories between blacks and Hispanics is something like 20x, 30x, maybe 50x. Consider also that detecting Hispanic crimes in the MSM is much easier since almost all Hispanics have distinctive names while a good fraction of blacks have typically Anglo-Saxon ones, and can't be detected without photos.

    So we must conclude either that VDare, Jared Taylor, and all the other racialist, anti-Hispanic websites are unaccountably covering-up serious Hispanic misbehavior, or maybe there really isn't all that much of it. You might also want to take a look at the major quantitiative articles I've myself published on this topic:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    http://www.unz.com/article/race-and-crime-in-america/

    Latino crime, while not as bad as blacks’, is worse than the official stats suggest. Google “Texas Ten Most Wanted” and look at the faces, names and the race given for each. I’ll save you the trouble: you’ll see a bunch of Latino men with their race listed as white/Caucasian.

    Another factor, and you already know this, is that illegal aliens are reluctant to report crimes for the obvious reason that they fear being deported. Latino (and black) crime-stats are worse than they appear.

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    I don't tie my opposition to immigration to crime rates, but I'd be interested in how blaq American crime rates compare to the most dangerous Latin American cities. Ofc many of the latter would have large blaq/mulatto/pardo populations.
    , @macilrae

    Google “Texas Ten Most Wanted” and look at the faces, names and the race given for each. I’ll save you the trouble: you’ll see a bunch of Latino men with their race listed as white/Caucasian.
     
    Possibly better organized and harder to catch - especially with the border so close?
    , @Wally

    you’ll see a bunch of Latino men with their race listed as white/Caucasian.
     
    Bingo!

    Latinos are routinely treated as 'white/Caucasian' in crime stats.

    Ron, you should have known that.

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  158. Jeff77450 says:
    @Durruti
    Your knowledge and understanding of history is exceedingly weak.

    "the loss of 600,000 lives in the Civil War to set them free."

    In America's Civil War, 250,000 supporters of the Confederacy, and supporters of the institution of Slavery, died. And 350,000 opponents of succession (supporters of the unity of the USA), some of whom also opposed the practice of Slavery, died.

    You also fail to acknowledge that 100,000 African Americans served in the Union armies (hastily recruited and serving at half pay - they participated in much front line fighting).

    You fail to mention:

    1. African slaves worked 300 years without pay.

    2. They were refused permission to form families or Marry.

    3. They were not allowed to join established churches.

    4. And it was a capital offense (look that up), for a slave to learn, or for someone to teach a slave to read and write (basic literacy).

    5. You fail to note that Africans brought in chains to America were denied the rights to Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness, enshrined in our Declaration of Independence.

    At the end of the Civil War,the Republican party favored the awarding of 40 acres and a mule, and 1 years credit to freed slaves who would form family units. This reasonable suggestion was beaten down in Congress by, the assassination of JF Kennedy - er President Abraham Lincoln, the Republican Party leader, and a coalition of Democratic Party reactionaries.

    Reparations for African Americans, would be as creative an idea as that of re-industrializing America, and restoring our Republic (assassinated on November 22, 1963.

    Joef, I question your IQ. It appears to be quite low. Do some reading. Search your conscience.
    At least you care enough - to participate on this excellent forum.

    The freed slaves should’ve been paid some kind of reparations to include massive investments in their education & skill-training, perhaps grants for qualifying businesses. Unfortunately, “that ship has sailed.” More recently the money that could’ve been used for reparations was used for the Great Society/War on Poverty programs that began in the 1960s; ~$22-trillion in inflation-adjusted dollars. Blacks and their “useful idiot” enablers will have to be satisfied with that and ~44 years of affirmative action. There is no more money:

    http://www.usdebtclock.org

    http://calwatchdog.com/2013/11/11/u-s-unfunded-liabilities-really-222-trillion

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  159. Marcus says:
    @Durruti
    "You failed to note that Africans sold us the slaves to begin with."

    I have not the time to reply to all your ignorant rants. I will respond to the one quoted above.

    1. Many Africans were enslaved by armed European and American slavers - raiding African villages and grabbing all the residents they could.

    2. Other slaves were acquired by means of purchasing them from - mostly - Portuguese slave marketers, (some of whom, but not all, were Jewish).

    3. You Haters conveniently fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the descendants of those who benefited from, or allowed slavery to exist, to recompense the descendants of their brutalized ancestors.

    You imply that if you purchase a slave, that act makes it somehow morally, (and financially) acceptable - than if you actually go out and hunt for Humans - yourself (and cut out the middle man). Your very utterances condemn you for eternity.

    And slavery is still going strong in Africa (it would be even more widespread if not for the efforts of European colonists)

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  160. Marcus says:
    @Jeff77450
    Latino crime, while not as bad as blacks', is worse than the official stats suggest. Google "Texas Ten Most Wanted" and look at the faces, names and the race given for each. I'll save you the trouble: you'll see a bunch of Latino men with their race listed as white/Caucasian.

    Another factor, and you already know this, is that illegal aliens are reluctant to report crimes for the obvious reason that they fear being deported. Latino (and black) crime-stats are worse than they appear.

    I don’t tie my opposition to immigration to crime rates, but I’d be interested in how blaq American crime rates compare to the most dangerous Latin American cities. Ofc many of the latter would have large blaq/mulatto/pardo populations.

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  161. @Durruti
    "I suggest they start swimming back to Africa."

    Your printed remarks utterly condemn you. You are a Hater.

    There is only one Race, The Human Race. I suggest you join it. The descendants of any people whose ancestors were abused deserve recompense. Reparations are a Moral imperative, as much as a financial one.

    By negative Analogy: The Zionist puppet Congress awarded $13Trillion to the top Oligarchs in the infamous Bailout. That Bailout represented a shift in wealth that undermined all the citizens of our Nation, and was one of the most Immoral Acts committed by the Zionist Oligarch's puppet Congress.

    We must Restore our Republic! That is the difficult task you cower from addressing.

    The descendants of any people whose ancestors were abused deserve recompense. Reparations are a Moral imperative, as much as a financial one.

    Absolute bullshit. Absolutely zero political, social, or moral philosophical support for such nonsense. Pure claptrap. Go get the descendants of Tamerlane to pay reparations to the ME city-states they demolished, murdering every inhabitant. Genghis Khan, too, while you’re at it. Go find the descendants of the German aristocracy that persecuted my Prussian peasant ancestors.

    What poppycock!! Makes me wanna puke that dumbassedness of such caliber walks the earth.

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  162. El Dato says:
    @Durruti
    "You failed to note that Africans sold us the slaves to begin with."

    I have not the time to reply to all your ignorant rants. I will respond to the one quoted above.

    1. Many Africans were enslaved by armed European and American slavers - raiding African villages and grabbing all the residents they could.

    2. Other slaves were acquired by means of purchasing them from - mostly - Portuguese slave marketers, (some of whom, but not all, were Jewish).

    3. You Haters conveniently fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the descendants of those who benefited from, or allowed slavery to exist, to recompense the descendants of their brutalized ancestors.

    You imply that if you purchase a slave, that act makes it somehow morally, (and financially) acceptable - than if you actually go out and hunt for Humans - yourself (and cut out the middle man). Your very utterances condemn you for eternity.

    You Haters conveniently fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the descendants of those who benefited from (That Which is Hateful)

    Mythical fantasy stuff. Anti-causal and immoral. Very evil, as an “original sin” is being constructed for which someone has to atone and has to pay forevermore.

    Your very utterances condemn you for eternity.

    That’s the kind of bullshit I am talking about. Unless you are Jesus condemning The Wandering Jew to his wandering ways till the the Final Days, you have no business talking like that.

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  163. macilrae says:
    @Jeff77450
    Latino crime, while not as bad as blacks', is worse than the official stats suggest. Google "Texas Ten Most Wanted" and look at the faces, names and the race given for each. I'll save you the trouble: you'll see a bunch of Latino men with their race listed as white/Caucasian.

    Another factor, and you already know this, is that illegal aliens are reluctant to report crimes for the obvious reason that they fear being deported. Latino (and black) crime-stats are worse than they appear.

    Google “Texas Ten Most Wanted” and look at the faces, names and the race given for each. I’ll save you the trouble: you’ll see a bunch of Latino men with their race listed as white/Caucasian.

    Possibly better organized and harder to catch – especially with the border so close?

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  164. Outwest says:
    @Durruti
    "You seem to be confusing rights and principles."

    Golly! I must be confused.

    From the Declaration of Independence:

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    You are literate? You do read; "all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    You do see the "Rights," right after "unalienable," and just before "that?"

    Who is confused?

    I dare you to stand up and admit it.

    For the Restoration of our Democratic Republic! That is Our Only Road - to Freedom.

    It’s a DECLARATION of Independence. The idea, which is based on French theory, deals with the natural right of an individual –if in concert with enough other individuals of the same mind- to decide whom he selects to govern him. The only right involved is the right to form a government. Even the Confederacy had this right if not the army to back it.

    Rights under our selected government are to be found in the Constitution –though that has degraded to the whim of a small group of political appointees.

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  165. TG says:

    Many excellent points, but with respect, I can solve our racial problems (or at least, I could have stopped them from getting this bad).

    I can remember back when American blacks had jobs as janitors and truck drivers. No the world wasn’t perfect, but they made decent money, more often than not they were unionized, they could support a family in at least some form of reasonableness and stability. When people can sit back and have a beer and grill some ribs and be reasonably confident of paying the rent tomorrow, most other problems can be dealt with, more or less.

    But the elites like their cheap labor, so they threw American blacks away, replaced them with cheaper illegal immigrants and outsourcing. The ability of young black males who are not genius astronaut brain-surgeons to support a family was deliberately destroyed. Bad things ALWAYS happen when this is the case, I assure you that whites are not immune. As the ability of regular whites to support a family is being destroyed, white culture is also fraying: maybe not exactly like black society is, but it’s wearing down all the same.

    Consider the Chinese. So peaceful, so respectful and hardworking. And yet, when Mao’s policy of maximizing population growth (you heard that right: MAXIMIZING) and gutting industrial development caused a famine, the ‘peaceful’ Chinese were rioting in the streets and even the communists had a hard time preventing the country from being torn asunder: they managed that by the time-honored method of deflecting the anger of all those angry hungry young men onto ‘class enemies’.

    Now working-class blacks should be making common cause with working-class whites (and asians etc.) against our corrupt neo-liberal trade policies, immigration policies, and bank bailouts, but the rich don’t want that. So blacks are being deliberately goaded into ‘hating whitey’ – this is by design – it’s divide and conquer, baby.

    But hey, the right people are making big money, and money is proof positive of virtue, and if things do blow up they can just sail away in their yachts, so it’s all good.

    Me, I’m voting for Trump.

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    Thank you for your very perceptive analysis and I, too, am voting for Trump. I will have to hold my nose a bit: Some engineers think his signature project of the Wall is simply not doable (see www.nationalmemo.com/an-engineer-explains-why-trumps-wall-is-so-implausible/ ). Worse, it would be an environmental disaster.

    But I shall have to ask God to forgive me and vote Republican for the first time in my life. The global elites (they're not a figment of some conspiracy theorist's imagination) really do want to rule the world and screw everyone else. Hillary is their man. The media onslaught against Trump shows how desperate they are for power. They may very well start a war with Russia. I'm not ashamed to admit that I am frightened, for the Blacks, the Whites, and everyone else.

    The smart Blacks (the 10% to the right of their IQ bell curve who are above 100, which is the White median) who can think for themselves (W.E.B. DuBois' "talented tenth") may see through the fog of disinformation and support their real economic interests and not Goldman Sachs'. 90% of Blacks can't think deeply and always act on emotion. Trump is making his pitch to the "talented tenth", not taking any ethnic group for granted in what he knows will be a close election.
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  166. Mithera says:

    Yesterday, on Unz review I read a piece by John Derbyshire. It was about “the blacks”. May I suggest to all the experts offering their learned opinions today, that they take the time to read that article. Basically, Mr Derbyshire is saying that for 50 years we have been going round in circles…no closer to a solution despite all the “brilliant” ideas and opinions offered up over that time. People, may I suggest to you that you have no chance of finding a solution to this issue while you fail to identify the root cause. Unfortunately , I cannot just tell you what that root cause is.
    If I randomly present you with information that does not fall within your learned parameters it will be rejected outright. So…sorry I cant just …blurt it out…
    As Morpheus said…
    “Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself.”
    And before I go to help others….Remember… The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    Go in Peace.

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  167. @Jim Sweeney
    Those high IQ whitebreads who cannot yet spell imminent should be disbarred from posting. and returned to the fourth grade It makes their argument about dumb blacks risible.

    Fred is right though. There is no solution to this matter absent some deus ex machina. A nuclear attack on the US might unify us in self-preservation but, under the foreseeable conditions, there's no foreseeable assimilation.

    More than discouraging indeed. And sad beyond measure.

    there is one VERY SIMPLE thing we can do…..SEPARATION ! SEPARATION ! SEPARATION ! SEAPARATION !……are american whites STUPID? are we supposed to put up with this CONSTANT HARASSEMENT and BLACKMAIL?….SEPARATION ! SEPARATION ! SEPARATION ! Give blacks 10% of the U.S. and let them BE ON THEIR OWN….

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  168. @Durruti
    "You failed to note that Africans sold us the slaves to begin with."

    I have not the time to reply to all your ignorant rants. I will respond to the one quoted above.

    1. Many Africans were enslaved by armed European and American slavers - raiding African villages and grabbing all the residents they could.

    2. Other slaves were acquired by means of purchasing them from - mostly - Portuguese slave marketers, (some of whom, but not all, were Jewish).

    3. You Haters conveniently fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the descendants of those who benefited from, or allowed slavery to exist, to recompense the descendants of their brutalized ancestors.

    You imply that if you purchase a slave, that act makes it somehow morally, (and financially) acceptable - than if you actually go out and hunt for Humans - yourself (and cut out the middle man). Your very utterances condemn you for eternity.

    SURE ! OFF COURSE ! That is very logical thinking….but BEFORE that the MOORS will have to do “reparations” to almost all of Western Europe, the MONGOLS will have to do the same, the TURKS will have to give “reparations” to Europe too, the AFRICAN TRIBES ill have to give “reparations” to all of those they ENSLAVED, the NUBIANS also, the JAPANESE, the CHINESE TRIBES too, he MAYA too, the INCAS, the ZULUS……..see where this is going? To the problems CREATED by BLACKS in the U.S. that are being ENABLED by Libcunts and Libwhores, I only say ONE THING….SEPARATION ! SEPARATION ! SEPARATION ! SEPARATION !

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  169. syonredux says:
    @Ron Unz

    I understand what you are saying. But I still believe the overall & per capita destruction from afro americans in terms of crime and entitlements far exceeds the Hispanics.
     
    The problem is that our friend "syonredux" is some sort of nutty and innumerate English-lit major, who endlessly spams comment-threads with the same repeated quotes, sometimes very long ones taken straight from Wikipedia. His/her opinions on any racial issues are essentially worthless.

    Here's a simple experiment anyone interested exploring these issues can easily undertake...

    As all of you know, there are lots and lots of racialist/Alt-Right/WN websites on the Internet, websites that enormously dislike both blacks and Hispanics and are always looking for examples of their bad behavior to highlight. Yet although these websites are overflowing with news reports of blacks beating, robbing, raping, or killing innocent whites, they seem to have an *incredibly* difficult time finding similar stories about Hispanics, with articles about the latter often restricted to some prominent Hispanic figure caught making some mildly disparaging remarks about whites or maybe insulting Donald Trump. Indeed, they're so hard-up to find any Hispanics who killed innocent whites that they're usually forced to include drunk-drivers, which isn't exactly the same thing, given how many whites get into such crashes as well. My guess is the ratio of "bad behavior" stories between blacks and Hispanics is something like 20x, 30x, maybe 50x. Consider also that detecting Hispanic crimes in the MSM is much easier since almost all Hispanics have distinctive names while a good fraction of blacks have typically Anglo-Saxon ones, and can't be detected without photos.

    So we must conclude either that VDare, Jared Taylor, and all the other racialist, anti-Hispanic websites are unaccountably covering-up serious Hispanic misbehavior, or maybe there really isn't all that much of it. You might also want to take a look at the major quantitiative articles I've myself published on this topic:

    http://www.unz.com/article/the-myth-of-hispanic-crime/

    http://www.unz.com/article/race-and-crime-in-america/

    And since I have your attention, Ron, any ideas as to when exactly Super-Flynn will elevate mean Hispanic IQ in the USA to 100? Will it happen by, say, 2060? When Hispanics are expected to form around 30% of the population? See, I have this crackpot notion that it won’t be good for the American Hive Mind if 30% of the population has a mean that’s ten points below 100….

    And, although I’m quite glad that the Hispanic influx into America has made your life easier by driving Blacks out, you might want to think about what it means for people who used to live in Anglo neighborhoods. See, I have friends and relatives who have had to deal with their neighborhoods flipping from Anglo to Hispanic, and the results aren’t pretty.For example, it’s quite unpleasant being an Anglo girl at a majority Hispanic High School……

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  170. @Anonymous
    Black Caribbeans are probably not more than 1-2% of the UK but are maybe 5%+ of London where they are mostly concentrated. So it is possible to absorb a sizable black minority in a short time. The consequences weren't grave rather it paved the way for the disappearance of Black Caribbeans from the racial grievance scene. Muslims have filled that void in the UK.
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    A bunch of Somali guys aren't Caribbean.
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  171. Druid says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith


    Besides, do not white people have the liberty to choose for themselves who they marry and procreate with?

     

    Not if they’re closely related, or if they’re already married to someone else. A ban on interracial marriages is along the same lines as these other bans. Marriage is either a right, or it isn’t.
     
    Laws against incest (cousin marriage, etc.) do not establish a case based on rights. In terms of human rights, cousins have every "right" to marry, for any of many reasons, religion being just one.

    FJJS. The way you go on about this makes me think you married a close relative. I think over time it weakens the genes. Maybe not I’d done infrequently

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    FJJS. The way you go on about this makes me think you married a close relative. I think over time it weakens the genes. Maybe not I’d done infrequently
     
    Nah. I live in a group marriage of all my brothers, sisters and 1st cousins. It never fails to amuse me how resentful people are over being informed of things they don't want to learn.

    Genetic abnormalities in offspring require the presence of genetic abnormalities in the parents' genotypes. The probability of an abnormality manifesting in instances of relatively infrequent unions is fairly low. If not, you can imagine how quickly the royal families of Europe (Habsburgs with hemophilia and Bourbons with dwarfism) would have died out, considering the fact that they did not out-marry at all.

    One theory of low IQ in Africans, particularly sub-sahara specimens, suggests that it is a product of shallow genepool interbreeding over the course of 10 millenia. Yeah, it takes a lot more inbreeding than you might think to concentrate genetic weaknesses.
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  172. @TheBoom

    But there is also a feeling among the average suburban white, who never lived with the black ghetto on their door step, just want to ignore the problem and give afro americans what they want, (so the suburban whites can continue to enjoy their bread and circuses).
    Thus I am not adverse to afro americans taking the violence to the suburbs.
     
    I share your feelings on this. The country is imperiled because whites are dishonest about their feelings. They understand the problem and flee it but don't want to admit it out of fear of being called racist. They hope that if they keep their heads in the suburban sands that it will leave them alone. Well, it isn't going to let their kids alone because this ethnic and cultural cleansing will impact every aspect of their lives. Let the suburban middle-class experience firsthand what they are enabling to happen.

    [Using allcaps in comments is shouting; stop shouting or all your future comments will be trashed.]

    ABSOLUTELY ! Let them …middle-class suburban whites…. be the ones to experience “diversity”….after all tehy CREATED this mess, and CONTINUE to APPEASE it and ENABLE it

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  173. Druid says:
    @Anonymous
    I can't agree. Groups of whites certainly showed themselves capable of uprisings before -- the French Revolution and the Confederacy come to mind. Nor is there much evidence of effective groupthink among blacks or mestizos. Rhodesia sank into Hutu/Tsutsi genocide in short order, and the current condition of South Africa (not to say majority-black municipalities like Detroit) don't show much evidence of collective coordination.

    The problem with white response is not that there is none -- it's that the response of whites with enough funds and/or a good credit score is to head for the suburbs and beyond. It's the poor white minorities that take the worst brunt of it. The mystery is why upper class whites feel nothing for -- actively despise -- poor ones. And the answer may be that they are thinking in Leninist terms: "Better less, but better." The white-flight class is applying evolutionary pressure to their less productive brethren: get productive, or let feral blacks take you out of the reproductive game in the ugliest possible ways. And if the poorer whites in question are too dumb or passive to respond, better their genes not be passed on.

    The weakness of this strategy is that it's visceral, not conscious and deliberate. Its vanity assumes that bright whites like themselves will always hold the levers of power, and that future Supreme Courts led by Chief Justice Obama and Justices Lynch, Sharpton, DeRay and Holder will never Disparate Impact them out of existence. That numbers, in short, don't matter. Though they do.

    Read some. Former Rhodesia is not the land of the Hutu and Tutsi.

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  174. @macilrae
    Part of the reason 'liberals' disavow what Fred is saying is because bringing such facts (and they are indisputable facts) into the mainstream is supremely demotivating to those blacks who are struggling to escape and to find acceptance and prosperity in close association with the rest of society.

    If there is any hope at all for a change it must come from a small minority willing themselves out of the hell-holes and setting an example: it is they whom the more enlightened liberals seek to support - at present by misguided means.

    It is also supremely demotivating to whites when the toxic culture of the ghettos is upheld and celebrated by the pop industry and inculcated into their children - and when the media practise reverse-racism with their present impunity.

    Therefore, I say we should not bring our rage to bear on "blacks" en bloque but, instead, focus it on that hideous culture and, particularly, on those who seek to promote it in a misguided attempt at social engineering or, often, for political or financial gain.

    The refusal of mainstream thinking to accept things as they really are; that the culture must change; brings about the kind of intense frustration that Fred and the majority of respondents here are expressing and in which I certainly share.

    “Therefore, I say we should not bring our rage to bear on “blacks” en bloque but, instead, focus it on that hideous culture ….”

    The hip- hop thug culture, revolves around drunkenness and sluttiness.

    That Beyonce is a putana.

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  175. @Durruti
    "I suggest they start swimming back to Africa."

    Your printed remarks utterly condemn you. You are a Hater.

    There is only one Race, The Human Race. I suggest you join it. The descendants of any people whose ancestors were abused deserve recompense. Reparations are a Moral imperative, as much as a financial one.

    By negative Analogy: The Zionist puppet Congress awarded $13Trillion to the top Oligarchs in the infamous Bailout. That Bailout represented a shift in wealth that undermined all the citizens of our Nation, and was one of the most Immoral Acts committed by the Zionist Oligarch's puppet Congress.

    We must Restore our Republic! That is the difficult task you cower from addressing.

    Great, when do I get my check for the livestock my ancestors lost when the yankee troops took their slaves? With compounded interest, I figure that should be a couple million dollars.

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  176. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Epaminondas
    If Brazil and Jamaica are the endgame, excuse me if I opt out.

    It will look like Brazil but more thoroughly mixed because upper middle class America is much more open to race mixing than the affluent white segment of Brazil. (I doubt Brazil has any equivalent to the standard anti-racism curriculum of an American liberal arts college.)

    But it won’t be Brazil because of Anglo institutions. A mixed race America will still be much better off economically than Brazil.

    South Brazil is very white but not developed. That’s because of Portuguese institutions.

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  177. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    " it paved the way for the disappearance of Black Caribbeans from the racial grievance scene"

    Nope.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/26/uk-black-lives-matter-kingsley-burrell-death-protest-cps-birmingham-police

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/05/black-lives-matter-protest-sparks-heathrow-traffic-chaos

    A bunch of Somali guys aren’t Caribbean.

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  178. MarkinLA says:

    Don’t worry, the real victim here will tell us the old guy called him a ni–er. Then BLM will protest the racism of the dead guy and the black DA (appointed so as to make sure there isn’t a riot) will drop the charges and expect an apology from the estate of the dead guy.

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  179. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    Black Caribbeans are probably not more than 1-2% of the UK but are maybe 5%+ of London where they are mostly concentrated. So it is possible to absorb a sizable black minority in a short time. The consequences weren't grave rather it paved the way for the disappearance of Black Caribbeans from the racial grievance scene. Muslims have filled that void in the UK.

    Black Caribbeans are probably not more than 1-2% of the UK but are maybe 5%+ of London where they are mostly concentrated. So it is possible to absorb a sizable black minority in a short time. The consequences weren’t grave rather it paved the way for the disappearance of Black Caribbeans from the racial grievance scene. Muslims have filled that void in the UK.

    How quickly they forget:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots

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    That was a fun riot, not a race riot. The race riots by black Caribbeans from 30 years ago were primal riots against the majority (e.g. murder of the policeman by the mob). The 2011 riots were looters of diverse backgrounds with an over representation of black Caribbeans and mixed race but also middle class whites present joining in on the fun the looting. If the 2011 riots were the type of thing that occurred 30 years ago, there's no way that middle class white people would be joining in on the street, they would get attacked.

    2011 showed the UK has a delinquency problem, not a race relations problem between the dwindling number of full blooded black Caribbeans and the majority they are merging into.
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  180. Druid says:
    @KenH
    The majority of blacks have feelings ranging from resentment to satanic racial hatred of white people. This is also applicable to some of the supposedly "good" middle class blacks. An increase in their political power and influence doesn't mollify them and only makes them more violent, demanding and incorrigible as we've seen with eight years of the strident black nationalist and Muslim coddling Hussein Obama.

    It's time for a zero tolerance policy towards blacks and they should be herded into concentration camps. And that's just for starters. It's time for a trail of tears for the American black population considering all of the hate, crime, violence and damage they've inflicted on this nation.

    Muslim Obama! Proves you’re a Faux news idiot!

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  181. MarkinLA says:
    @KenH
    The majority of blacks have feelings ranging from resentment to satanic racial hatred of white people. This is also applicable to some of the supposedly "good" middle class blacks. An increase in their political power and influence doesn't mollify them and only makes them more violent, demanding and incorrigible as we've seen with eight years of the strident black nationalist and Muslim coddling Hussein Obama.

    It's time for a zero tolerance policy towards blacks and they should be herded into concentration camps. And that's just for starters. It's time for a trail of tears for the American black population considering all of the hate, crime, violence and damage they've inflicted on this nation.

    Muslim coddling Hussein Obama

    Muslim Obama!

    What does leaving out important information in your accusations make you?

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  182. Wally says: • Website
    @joef
    Regarding your comment 'Giuliani saved NYC' - - This will probably not be duplicated again, because of the lack of political will, for some of the following reasons:

    The current millennials have no personal life experience (living memory) with very high crime.
    And many hipsters (who are mostly rejects from their own home towns and came to NYC to fit in with each other) came from areas that were not plagued with high crime. Thus these two groups have no understanding what it was like to live in the bad old days of very high crime.

    Added to that is that the polite fashionably liberal whites have no stomach for aggressive policing against afro americans because of their belief in politically correct propaganda. They rather make believe that there is no afro american crime problem and will never politically agree to the solutions necessary to control it (because they rather pretend that their is no problem in the first place).

    Added to this: Giuliani was an aggressive egocentric personality who was willing the endure relentless MSM criticism, and I doubt you will find a pandering politician today willing to do the same.

    Added to this is the Ferguson effect has already taken root among urban ghetto cops. They are protecting their own rational self interest by being reactive to crime (as report takers) instead of practicing proactive policing. They are providing the kind of policing that is demanded of them by public outcry and the MSM.

    Added to this is city administrations want the mutually exclusive goals of lower crime and risk adverse nonaggressive policing. Without courts doing their jobs of providing adequate prison sentencing to violent felons, all the onus falls upon the police to contain crime. This then leads to more aggressive crime control practices than would not normally be necessary (as opposed to an order maintenance style of policing used by Europe/Japan, when the majority of violent felons are in prison like they are suppose to be). But like the old communist phrase states 'you cannot make an omelet without breaking some eggs'; as a result aggressive police tactics causes anger with said practices even if it diminishes crime.

    However there are not too many tools in the tool box to accomplish lowering violent crime by the police themselves. There are stop and frisk (which are actually a semi randomized stop & search which is different in what the law describes as a Terry Stop), broken windows enforcement for minor offenses (because violent felons are too stupid to stay off the radar while they are wanted for a crime), and omnipresence (which has a huge expense in personnel requirements). When aggressive policing is discouraged the only thing left is the omnipresence model.
    But realistically there will never be enough cops to stop all criminal opportunity, so then electronic surveillance is used to supplement this practice . The down side of this is that it makes this nation resemble an Orwellian surveillance state.

    What makes this problem worse is that many suburban/rural police departments (the ones without urban ghettos) are concentrating on aggressively attacking working people as a revenue source instead of attacking ghetto crime problems. The overuse of SWAT teams by small police departments for more routine enforcement functions (not armed barricaded situations that they were originally meant for) is also causing a negative reaction to what is termed as militarized police.
    This situation is causing a loss of support & confidence for the police overall, which also affects urban ghetto cops (who have no time for such silly revenue seeking practices, nor care for conducting such petty enforcement when they have real violence to contend with).

    That is why my friend you will never see the Giuliani style of criminal suppression again. This is all going end up playing itself out in another way when afro american violence and entitlements exhausts the resources of this nation; then maybe we will see some sort of correction, but probably not until then.

    Kudos! You nailed it.

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  183. Wally says: • Website
    @Jeff77450
    Latino crime, while not as bad as blacks', is worse than the official stats suggest. Google "Texas Ten Most Wanted" and look at the faces, names and the race given for each. I'll save you the trouble: you'll see a bunch of Latino men with their race listed as white/Caucasian.

    Another factor, and you already know this, is that illegal aliens are reluctant to report crimes for the obvious reason that they fear being deported. Latino (and black) crime-stats are worse than they appear.

    you’ll see a bunch of Latino men with their race listed as white/Caucasian.

    Bingo!

    Latinos are routinely treated as ‘white/Caucasian’ in crime stats.

    Ron, you should have known that.

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    Bingo!

    Latinos are routinely treated as ‘white/Caucasian’ in crime stats.

    Ron, you should have known that.
     
    Why is it that the innumerate morons who hang around my website, spamming the comment-threads with their endless nonsense, seem to assume that everyone else is also an innumerate moron?

    Read my articles, you lazy nitwit!
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  184. @Druid
    FJJS. The way you go on about this makes me think you married a close relative. I think over time it weakens the genes. Maybe not I'd done infrequently

    FJJS. The way you go on about this makes me think you married a close relative. I think over time it weakens the genes. Maybe not I’d done infrequently

    Nah. I live in a group marriage of all my brothers, sisters and 1st cousins. It never fails to amuse me how resentful people are over being informed of things they don’t want to learn.

    Genetic abnormalities in offspring require the presence of genetic abnormalities in the parents’ genotypes. The probability of an abnormality manifesting in instances of relatively infrequent unions is fairly low. If not, you can imagine how quickly the royal families of Europe (Habsburgs with hemophilia and Bourbons with dwarfism) would have died out, considering the fact that they did not out-marry at all.

    One theory of low IQ in Africans, particularly sub-sahara specimens, suggests that it is a product of shallow genepool interbreeding over the course of 10 millenia. Yeah, it takes a lot more inbreeding than you might think to concentrate genetic weaknesses.

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    RE: Inbreeding


    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/the-cost-of-inbreeding-in-terms-of-health/


    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/middle-eastern-populations-have-higher-recessive-disease-load/


    http://www.unz.com/gnxp/why-inbreeding-is-bad/
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  186. Aurelius says:

    There is one, and only one, solution: separation.

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    Generally there have been 3 solutions in history: separation, destruction, or absorption.

    People here call me a troll for pointing out the obvious. Only absorption is imaginable. Those calling for blacks to be packed into South African style "Bantustan" settlements are the real trolls.
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  187. syonredux says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    FJJS. The way you go on about this makes me think you married a close relative. I think over time it weakens the genes. Maybe not I’d done infrequently
     
    Nah. I live in a group marriage of all my brothers, sisters and 1st cousins. It never fails to amuse me how resentful people are over being informed of things they don't want to learn.

    Genetic abnormalities in offspring require the presence of genetic abnormalities in the parents' genotypes. The probability of an abnormality manifesting in instances of relatively infrequent unions is fairly low. If not, you can imagine how quickly the royal families of Europe (Habsburgs with hemophilia and Bourbons with dwarfism) would have died out, considering the fact that they did not out-marry at all.

    One theory of low IQ in Africans, particularly sub-sahara specimens, suggests that it is a product of shallow genepool interbreeding over the course of 10 millenia. Yeah, it takes a lot more inbreeding than you might think to concentrate genetic weaknesses.
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  188. Michelle says:
    @Anonymous
    Why do you capitalize black but not white? You sound like a concern troll. Absurd speculations don't make science. How about Aas are descended from Very Bad "Black" since enen their own kind sold them.

    I have been through this subject before. Capitalizing Black is grammatically correct. Address my points not my grammar. Grammar police are notoriously liberal in persuasion.

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  189. Anonymous says: • Website • Disclaimer
    @MarkinPNW
    Wasn't it the Moynihan Report from 1965 that laid out how welfare policies would aggravate and worsen the stability of black families by having the government, through welfare programs for single mothers, replace the role of black males as protectors and providers of their families?

    So now you’re going to blame the govt. & its welfare policies. Dollars for donuts your nut job liberal parents voted for the PC enablers during that time . Those backward , uneducated , redneck trailer trash southerners have been telling you this for the last 60 yrs. Before that it was self evident. Seems Shopenheimer 3 degrees of truth is running counter clockwise. Look at the continent of Africa – without colonialism no welfare programs there ..

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  190. Ron Unz says:
    @Wally

    you’ll see a bunch of Latino men with their race listed as white/Caucasian.
     
    Bingo!

    Latinos are routinely treated as 'white/Caucasian' in crime stats.

    Ron, you should have known that.

    Bingo!

    Latinos are routinely treated as ‘white/Caucasian’ in crime stats.

    Ron, you should have known that.

    Why is it that the innumerate morons who hang around my website, spamming the comment-threads with their endless nonsense, seem to assume that everyone else is also an innumerate moron?

    Read my articles, you lazy nitwit!

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  191. joef says:
    @Durruti
    "You failed to note that Africans sold us the slaves to begin with."

    I have not the time to reply to all your ignorant rants. I will respond to the one quoted above.

    1. Many Africans were enslaved by armed European and American slavers - raiding African villages and grabbing all the residents they could.

    2. Other slaves were acquired by means of purchasing them from - mostly - Portuguese slave marketers, (some of whom, but not all, were Jewish).

    3. You Haters conveniently fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the descendants of those who benefited from, or allowed slavery to exist, to recompense the descendants of their brutalized ancestors.

    You imply that if you purchase a slave, that act makes it somehow morally, (and financially) acceptable - than if you actually go out and hunt for Humans - yourself (and cut out the middle man). Your very utterances condemn you for eternity.

    You imply that if you purchase a slave, that act makes it somehow morally, (and financially) acceptable – than if you actually go out and hunt for Humans – yourself (and cut out the middle man). Your very utterances condemn you for eternity.

    Sorry, but your inference is not correct, I never made such a statement.

    You Haters conveniently fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the descendants of those who benefited from, or allowed slavery to exist, to recompense the descendants of their brutalized ancestors.

    No one alive today in America (with exception of illegal human traffickers) has ever purchased a slave, nor did most of our ancestors ever owned a slave.
    Self important libs like yourself love to throw around baseless accusations at others and call it a well reasoned argument. I know you want to impose collective guilt upon the rest of us, but sorry we are only responsible for our very own actions and no one else’s; therefore your argument is rejected for the nonsense that it really is. And your revisionist history is equally useless.

    The only haters are radical afro americans themselves who are completely obsessed with race. Most whites are just trying to struggle with their own lives, and are not interested in condemning blacks. But when constantly antagonized by unwarranted demands and violence, there will be an opposite negative reaction. Radical afro americans instigate the negative response, and if that was not so, there would be no negative feelings towards afro americans.

    Now I will forgive your insults because you are obviously a reality challenged individual (like any other lib), so you probably cannot help your hysterical rants.

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  192. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @gwynedd1
    That's not what's happening. The best of the blacks is being skimmed into the majority. The black ghettos will just get worse. They are being bred into complete idiocy. This is even going on in white red neck areas , but at a much slower rate.

    It’s happening at both levels.

    The talented tenth marry into middle class America while ghetto blacks cohabitate with dysfunctional whites.

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  193. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Aurelius
    There is one, and only one, solution: separation.

    Generally there have been 3 solutions in history: separation, destruction, or absorption.

    People here call me a troll for pointing out the obvious. Only absorption is imaginable. Those calling for blacks to be packed into South African style “Bantustan” settlements are the real trolls.

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    Only if they are very low in numbers could they be absorbed. Their numbers in most places in the U.S., where they are actually a problem, are too large to be "absorbed" -- something they themselves would not go along with anyway. In any case, the vast majority are not marriage or mate material for whites. The murder and mayhem rates are enormously higher with black mates. Why would you want to encourage that? BF/WM unions are more successful, but even here, the likelihood of being offed by black partner is much higher than when both are white. It's weird. Why is this worth it? There's some fundamental incoompatibility; again, speaking of averages.
    There is one interesting fact. Although people don't ask or check their friends' or mates' IQ, married couples and close friends' IQs, fall within 5 points of each other. I knew there'd be a closeness, but even I was surprised at how small the IQ difference is on the average. That one fact will mean whites and blacks simply are not going to be compatible in long term relationships, on the average.
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  194. rod1963 says:
    @joef
    Agreed and the conditions you describe are also relevant to BosWash area as well. We have an economic and social cancer, and ignoring it will not make it go away. The reset will happen anyway, and the reset delayed, by the libs intentionally disregarding it, will be even worse.

    That’s not good for the white political class at all, should the welfare state cease working even for a short while. Being liberal and clueless will be a death sentence for many of them.

    The thing is people like them don’t get how delicate the system is. The few times EBT cards showed $0.00 because of a computer glitch led to stores being looted almost immediately. Granted these were limited to small areas but imagine what would happen if a glitch is nationwide and takes a day or two to fix. Our cities will be torn apart along with a any white urbanite who is foolish enough to stay there instead of fleeing.

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  195. @Durruti
    "I suggest they start swimming back to Africa."

    Your printed remarks utterly condemn you. You are a Hater.

    There is only one Race, The Human Race. I suggest you join it. The descendants of any people whose ancestors were abused deserve recompense. Reparations are a Moral imperative, as much as a financial one.

    By negative Analogy: The Zionist puppet Congress awarded $13Trillion to the top Oligarchs in the infamous Bailout. That Bailout represented a shift in wealth that undermined all the citizens of our Nation, and was one of the most Immoral Acts committed by the Zionist Oligarch's puppet Congress.

    We must Restore our Republic! That is the difficult task you cower from addressing.

    Some of my ancestors were transported as convicts for deeds which would not be criminal or not prosecuted today and in some cases (Irish) were just patriotic. How should I quantify my claim and should I be exempt from the taxation needed to finance the reparations or damages?

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    The corrrect form as I understand it cobber is to acquire the dress coat of a french admiral and a small boat, row ashore at the east coast port of Hartlepool and announce to any loiterers, "M'sieu, je suis revenu et d'exiger la satisfaction " or some such Frog bollocks.
    Should get you everything you deserve. Helps if you don't wash or shave for a bit. And scream and gibber at them while jumping up and down, if they don't understand. They're a bit slow.
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  196. Truth says:
    @JSM
    Since we are all being frank here,

    why can't we, as Jared Taylor has advocated, rescind anti-discrimination laws and just go back to segregation?

    It worked fairly well for the South, for White people.

    And blacks were better off, too, at least if you go by metrics of black-owned businesses and
    crime stats / drug use / bastardy.

    Back when the Talented Tenth couldn't just skip out on their kin, they were
    incentivized to enforce discipline on the thug-prone among them.

    You have to have your first “experience” Sheila; after that call me up, and I will work tirelessly with you to bring segregation back.

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  197. Truth says:
    @JSM
    That you can even read and write, Truth, and therefore comment here, is due to a change, by White men, of the Constitution that was originally written by and for White men.

    Since the Constitution could be changed once, (proof of which is your commenting here) it can also be changed again, given sufficient political will of White men.

    Dave B.'s ideas are sound.

    Well, no. Prior to the constitution, most white men could not read.

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  198. Truth says:
    @joef
    Longfisher's comment of:

    During my service years (Marine Infantry Officer), I served with many Black Marines, officers and enlisted men. They were no different than any other Marines. They shared similar promise and experienced similar success and failure as any white Marine.

     

    is because they are taking the best and brightest among the pool, and the USMC is a controlled environment, not the natural habitat of the ghetto radical afro american.

    My experience growing up in the large urban environment in the BosWash area is the same as yours WJ. I have relatives & friends from all over this area, and no matter where you go (Bronx, Brooklyn, Newark, Philadelphia, Boston, Hartford, etc) the story was always the same.

    Your experience re: the way ghetto afro americans attack is exactly what they do. They attack only when they have an unfair advantage, by either outnumbering, being armed, being larger, or by ambushing their opponent. They are generally predatory bullies who are afraid to fight without some sort of unfair advantage [however the exception/outlier is the tougher ones who are usually the ones who run the corners in the black ghettos, because they are willing to fight under any circumstances]. Its just part of the ghetto afro american culture in general that they are adverse to any difficulties, and want everything easily handed to them. Most of them do not really have the disposition to tough anything out.

    “Your experience re: the way ghetto afro americans attack is exactly what they do. They attack only when they have an unfair advantage, by either outnumbering, being armed, being larger, or by ambushing their opponent. They are generally predatory bullies who are afraid to fight without some sort of unfair advantage…”

    LMFAO! Hey, no wonder we like joining the US military!

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    Yes there are many good & excellent Blacks in the military; there are also many good & excellent Black doctors, surgeons, engineers, cops, firefighters, teachers, nurses, executives, administrators, etc. But the other side of the coin is that there are many afro americans who are only in these positions because of racial quotas and affirmative action. [An historical note was that in WW2 the military believed that many afro americans were pathologically unreliable (and it would be too difficult to separate the good wheat from the mediocre chaff)].
    "You shall know them by their deeds", in other words this is not made up, this is observed behavior of the acts of the majority of afro americans. Should hard working responsible Blacks be lumped in with the rest -- I say no, but the quota system does put the onus on them to prove that they actually earned their positions through actual merit, and not handouts (we didn't create this mess, the leftist did).
    , @William Badwhite
    "LMFAO! Hey, no wonder we like joining the US military!"

    You join the military for the same reason you join the Dept of Agriculture or whatever: because its an easy government job to get and to keep. Blacks in the military are over represented in support roles - jobs like cook, etc. They are under represented in combat arms - the tip of the spear so to speak. So yeah Truth, even there you look for the easy way out.
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  199. Truth says:
    @Durruti
    "You failed to note that Africans sold us the slaves to begin with."

    I have not the time to reply to all your ignorant rants. I will respond to the one quoted above.

    1. Many Africans were enslaved by armed European and American slavers - raiding African villages and grabbing all the residents they could.

    2. Other slaves were acquired by means of purchasing them from - mostly - Portuguese slave marketers, (some of whom, but not all, were Jewish).

    3. You Haters conveniently fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the descendants of those who benefited from, or allowed slavery to exist, to recompense the descendants of their brutalized ancestors.

    You imply that if you purchase a slave, that act makes it somehow morally, (and financially) acceptable - than if you actually go out and hunt for Humans - yourself (and cut out the middle man). Your very utterances condemn you for eternity.

    “1. Many Africans were enslaved by armed European and American slavers – raiding African villages and grabbing all the residents they could.”

    In truth, this was rare. White men didn’t live long in Africa before malaria drugs.

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    Yep. Any European going into Africa was as good as dead. Whites were killing themselves in the Caribbean as nearly the same rate as their slaves from importing tropical disease. It was quite pathetic. With better conditions they could have bred slaves which would have spared them the imported diseases to some extent.

    So no Europeans just purchased them from Africans. North Africans on the other hand did raid Europe in exactly this village raiding manner into the 19th century.
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  200. dan t says:

    what’s the solution?
    first, to discover the problem.
    this great black hatred is engineered. the complete destruction of their neighborhoods was engineered. gangsta rap was engineered. crack too. most likely aids as well.
    by whom?
    by who controls us all, the entire world. no, it is not america and its so-called empire.
    america, not just black america but that’s a big part of the whole picture, has been systematically destroyed. for 20 to 30 years this has escalated greatly. before that, in the ’50s and ’60s, the stage was set: moral demise beginning with the free love and drug culture, which rapidly tore families apart. etcetera.
    some very powerful people have done this. who? must be the jews, right? look, they run hollywood, the media, the universities, right?
    wrong.
    look to the creme de la creme of one place: britain.
    there are some very detailed university lectures on this subject, such as ‘the british invisible empire’ or ‘bertrand russell, golem of venice’.

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    If it was engineered, it was engineered by leftist, and enabled by ghetto ignorant fashionably liberal whites.
    I believe it was promoted by the leftist, but even so, we are far beyond the origination of this problem, of afro american animosity against the society that supports them. Cancer originates with one cell, and then grows to an isolated malignant tissue, and eventually destroys the body. We are at the higher stages of a societal/economic cancer. At this point, managing the problem is more important than how all this originated. First you put out the fire, then later you can investigate the cause (at your leisure).
    THE MAJOR QUESTION IS WHAT DO WE DO NOW?

    - - The most preferable method is to change the radical afro american's hearts and minds to become responsible citizens. Unfortunately it is probably too late for that since radical afro american antagonism has already been deeply inculcated into their culture. Since they are habitual takers, and not givers, it will be difficult to break them out of that kind of mindset. Additionally leftist elites will never allow this to happen because they like their radical afro american pets just the way they are.

    - - Have them go to Liberia. No chance they have it to good living here with their lazy lifestyle.

    - - Total separation. Again will not happen, because of the oxymoron of: they hate us so much they want to be assimilated with us.

    - - Give them more & more until we are bankrupt; or Ignore the consequences of their dysfunctional behavior, until the system reaches its breaking point. Both of these are essentially the same approach, and we are currently regressing with both paths. I do not see any of the above options occurring, so admittedly this is our eventual destination.

    And to keep this defective system going, we will all be paying for it through extra taxes/fines/fees/forfeiture until we ourselves are personally bankrupted. Then when that happens the govt institutions themselves will eventually become bankrupted. Then the anarchy will be so bad that we will all wish (including afro americans) that we followed some alternative approach.
    After a prolonged period of chaos, maybe then we will learn from our error, with some areas of this nation rebuilding (and some areas becoming a failed state).

    I wish this was not so, but its time to divorce ourselves from our emotions & wishful thinking, and recognize things as they are. If you continue to travel in a certain direction, you will eventually get there.

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  201. dan t says:

    remember the intelligence of martin luther king and so many during the civil rights movement. the will was there on both sides, black and white, to reconcile, to live together peacefully.
    no more.

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  202. dan t says:

    the real ‘final solution’ is well hinted at here: check out ‘the ultimate revolution’, a talk in berkeley given by aldous huxley in 1962.
    beware huxley, beware alan watts, beware timothy leary, beware bertrand russell.
    we see the society our masters have created for us: political correctness, total idiocy, confusion and chaos. they’ve created ‘muslim terror’ and every other form of terror.
    there is real evil in the world.

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  203. annamaria says:
    @syonredux

    Agreed. From my personal anecdotal experience, I am almost always more at ease walking through a Hispanic community rather than a afro american urban ghetto.

    Exactly. I live in Palo Alto and right next door is East Palo Alto, which went from overwhelmingly black to overwhelmingly Hispanic over the last couple of decades, with *enormous* corresponding changes in its character:
     
    Let me just make sure that I have this straight. The chief selling point for massive levels of immigration by Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds is that they are better than Blacks?And that Ron Unz now feels safer living in close proximity to East Palo Alto?

    “The chief selling point for massive levels of immigration by Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds …”
    Where have you found such a selling point on this site? Look again at the photograph at the heading of this article. – This should bring you back to the main topic of this discussion.

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    “The chief selling point for massive levels of immigration by Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds …”
    Where have you found such a selling point on this site? Look again at the photograph at the heading of this article. – This should bring you back to the main topic of this discussion.
     
    From Ron Unz.
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  204. annamaria says:
    @Durruti
    "You failed to note that Africans sold us the slaves to begin with."

    I have not the time to reply to all your ignorant rants. I will respond to the one quoted above.

    1. Many Africans were enslaved by armed European and American slavers - raiding African villages and grabbing all the residents they could.

    2. Other slaves were acquired by means of purchasing them from - mostly - Portuguese slave marketers, (some of whom, but not all, were Jewish).

    3. You Haters conveniently fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the descendants of those who benefited from, or allowed slavery to exist, to recompense the descendants of their brutalized ancestors.

    You imply that if you purchase a slave, that act makes it somehow morally, (and financially) acceptable - than if you actually go out and hunt for Humans - yourself (and cut out the middle man). Your very utterances condemn you for eternity.

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  205. Blacks are unmistakably gripped by a powerful racial hatred of white people.

    Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

    PS: BTW, where’s the black in de picture? I see one elderly white guy (on the right, probably Fred hizownself), and one light brown guy (on the left) indicating he has more Caucasian DNA than African. Also, the white hag, Hillary, seems to be more of a threat to the world than all the so called “blacks” in the land of the ‘Merkins, so why keep whining about the latter, or is that for a later date?

    Fred musta lost his codpiece if not his mind. But he appears to be well down that road too.

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  206. joef says:
    @dan t
    what's the solution?
    first, to discover the problem.
    this great black hatred is engineered. the complete destruction of their neighborhoods was engineered. gangsta rap was engineered. crack too. most likely aids as well.
    by whom?
    by who controls us all, the entire world. no, it is not america and its so-called empire.
    america, not just black america but that's a big part of the whole picture, has been systematically destroyed. for 20 to 30 years this has escalated greatly. before that, in the '50s and '60s, the stage was set: moral demise beginning with the free love and drug culture, which rapidly tore families apart. etcetera.
    some very powerful people have done this. who? must be the jews, right? look, they run hollywood, the media, the universities, right?
    wrong.
    look to the creme de la creme of one place: britain.
    there are some very detailed university lectures on this subject, such as 'the british invisible empire' or 'bertrand russell, golem of venice'.

    If it was engineered, it was engineered by leftist, and enabled by ghetto ignorant fashionably liberal whites.
    I believe it was promoted by the leftist, but even so, we are far beyond the origination of this problem, of afro american animosity against the society that supports them. Cancer originates with one cell, and then grows to an isolated malignant tissue, and eventually destroys the body. We are at the higher stages of a societal/economic cancer. At this point, managing the problem is more important than how all this originated. First you put out the fire, then later you can investigate the cause (at your leisure).
    THE MAJOR QUESTION IS WHAT DO WE DO NOW?

    - – The most preferable method is to change the radical afro american’s hearts and minds to become responsible citizens. Unfortunately it is probably too late for that since radical afro american antagonism has already been deeply inculcated into their culture. Since they are habitual takers, and not givers, it will be difficult to break them out of that kind of mindset. Additionally leftist elites will never allow this to happen because they like their radical afro american pets just the way they are.

    - – Have them go to Liberia. No chance they have it to good living here with their lazy lifestyle.

    - – Total separation. Again will not happen, because of the oxymoron of: they hate us so much they want to be assimilated with us.

    - – Give them more & more until we are bankrupt; or Ignore the consequences of their dysfunctional behavior, until the system reaches its breaking point. Both of these are essentially the same approach, and we are currently regressing with both paths. I do not see any of the above options occurring, so admittedly this is our eventual destination.

    And to keep this defective system going, we will all be paying for it through extra taxes/fines/fees/forfeiture until we ourselves are personally bankrupted. Then when that happens the govt institutions themselves will eventually become bankrupted. Then the anarchy will be so bad that we will all wish (including afro americans) that we followed some alternative approach.
    After a prolonged period of chaos, maybe then we will learn from our error, with some areas of this nation rebuilding (and some areas becoming a failed state).

    I wish this was not so, but its time to divorce ourselves from our emotions & wishful thinking, and recognize things as they are. If you continue to travel in a certain direction, you will eventually get there.

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  207. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @syonredux

    Black Caribbeans are probably not more than 1-2% of the UK but are maybe 5%+ of London where they are mostly concentrated. So it is possible to absorb a sizable black minority in a short time. The consequences weren’t grave rather it paved the way for the disappearance of Black Caribbeans from the racial grievance scene. Muslims have filled that void in the UK.
     
    How quickly they forget:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots

    That was a fun riot, not a race riot. The race riots by black Caribbeans from 30 years ago were primal riots against the majority (e.g. murder of the policeman by the mob). The 2011 riots were looters of diverse backgrounds with an over representation of black Caribbeans and mixed race but also middle class whites present joining in on the fun the looting. If the 2011 riots were the type of thing that occurred 30 years ago, there’s no way that middle class white people would be joining in on the street, they would get attacked.

    2011 showed the UK has a delinquency problem, not a race relations problem between the dwindling number of full blooded black Caribbeans and the majority they are merging into.

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    That was a fun riot, not a race riot.
     
    I'm afraid that I don't see the "fun" in rampant lawlessness.

    The 2011 riots were looters of diverse backgrounds with an over representation of black Caribbeans and mixed race
     
    That's the part that I find troubling, the over-representation.Perhaps Black norms are corrupting the British body politic...
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  208. dan t says:

    joef,
    you make sweeping generalizations such as ‘they’ are habitual takers, and ‘they’ hate us so much. this is extremely far from accurate.
    most of the blacks i worked with in extremely rough philadelphia had huge hearts. this means, to me, they gave and gave and gave. it also means they were filled with love, not hate. no doubt hate was there too, and it should have been: we should all hate what is hateful, and so much that is dumped on their ‘communities’ is.
    i also worked with some extremely rough teenagers, also in philly. many of them were truly hateful. try to imagine their lives. mother a strung out prostitute, dad dead or in jail. this was the norm at that shelter. the kids were bundles of hate and anger. still, abuse though i did daily have to endure, white me did get through to several of these kids, and in a short time as they only could stay there for one month.

    also, you say don’t worry now about how, just remedy it. this will lead nowhere. whites and blacks are constantly lied to, misled, and brainwashed. this includes everything from schooling to music frequencies, and certainly including the drug, sex and rap culture. are we naturally dumbed down, so quickly and to such an extent? we have to learn our REAL history in order to do anything about it. great powers want the united states destroyed, and it seems they have won already. let us hope we still can win the war–all americans together, in this (once) unique bastion of hope for the world.

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    Your bleeding heart sentiments are nice, but not particularly helpful. This is not to blame afro americans, it is just an accurate description of how they generally behave. And yes they are generalizations because getting muddled in exceptions just leads to further inaction when confronting the problem.
    Similar to ghetto afro americans, I do not hate a pack of wild dogs, nor do I blame them for acting the way they do, yet I recognize the reality of them being dangerous. Wanting to ignore the reality of the problem will not make it go away.

    Again, when your house is burning down its time to focus on the immediacy of the problem, not ponder on the root cause of the situation. Our collective economic/social house is burning down, sentimentality is not going to change that fact. Either you confront it or it will confront you.
    The afro american youth family circumstances that cause, what you term as, 'bundles of hate', is not anyone else's responsibility. We did not cause that situation, but nevertheless, either now or later, we will be forced to respond to it.

    The past Fifty years of cajoling afro americans obviously did not work. And throwing more money at the situation that is never corrected is a definition of a financial money pit. If you believe that these generalizations are exaggerated, find me an inner city afro american neighborhood that is not predominantly full of dysfunctional problems. If blaming whitey is the only solution, then nothing will ever get solved.

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  209. joef says:
    @Truth
    "Your experience re: the way ghetto afro americans attack is exactly what they do. They attack only when they have an unfair advantage, by either outnumbering, being armed, being larger, or by ambushing their opponent. They are generally predatory bullies who are afraid to fight without some sort of unfair advantage..."

    LMFAO! Hey, no wonder we like joining the US military!

    Yes there are many good & excellent Blacks in the military; there are also many good & excellent Black doctors, surgeons, engineers, cops, firefighters, teachers, nurses, executives, administrators, etc. But the other side of the coin is that there are many afro americans who are only in these positions because of racial quotas and affirmative action. [An historical note was that in WW2 the military believed that many afro americans were pathologically unreliable (and it would be too difficult to separate the good wheat from the mediocre chaff)].
    “You shall know them by their deeds”, in other words this is not made up, this is observed behavior of the acts of the majority of afro americans. Should hard working responsible Blacks be lumped in with the rest — I say no, but the quota system does put the onus on them to prove that they actually earned their positions through actual merit, and not handouts (we didn’t create this mess, the leftist did).

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  210. syonredux says:
    @Anonymous
    That was a fun riot, not a race riot. The race riots by black Caribbeans from 30 years ago were primal riots against the majority (e.g. murder of the policeman by the mob). The 2011 riots were looters of diverse backgrounds with an over representation of black Caribbeans and mixed race but also middle class whites present joining in on the fun the looting. If the 2011 riots were the type of thing that occurred 30 years ago, there's no way that middle class white people would be joining in on the street, they would get attacked.

    2011 showed the UK has a delinquency problem, not a race relations problem between the dwindling number of full blooded black Caribbeans and the majority they are merging into.

    That was a fun riot, not a race riot.

    I’m afraid that I don’t see the “fun” in rampant lawlessness.

    The 2011 riots were looters of diverse backgrounds with an over representation of black Caribbeans and mixed race

    That’s the part that I find troubling, the over-representation.Perhaps Black norms are corrupting the British body politic…

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  211. @Dr. X

    The money that is subsidizing the negro population is going to run out soon.
     
    We're already $20 trillion past the point where we've run out of money.

    We’ve been borrowing it for 35 years without a hiccup.

    Your point is better, when the ability to borrow without consequence runs out, the S will truly HTF on too many levels to list.

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  212. syonredux says:
    @annamaria
    "The chief selling point for massive levels of immigration by Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds ..."
    Where have you found such a selling point on this site? Look again at the photograph at the heading of this article. - This should bring you back to the main topic of this discussion.

    “The chief selling point for massive levels of immigration by Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds …”
    Where have you found such a selling point on this site? Look again at the photograph at the heading of this article. – This should bring you back to the main topic of this discussion.

    From Ron Unz.

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    Still do not have courage to take another look at the aged veteran and young thug?
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  213. @TG
    Many excellent points, but with respect, I can solve our racial problems (or at least, I could have stopped them from getting this bad).

    I can remember back when American blacks had jobs as janitors and truck drivers. No the world wasn't perfect, but they made decent money, more often than not they were unionized, they could support a family in at least some form of reasonableness and stability. When people can sit back and have a beer and grill some ribs and be reasonably confident of paying the rent tomorrow, most other problems can be dealt with, more or less.

    But the elites like their cheap labor, so they threw American blacks away, replaced them with cheaper illegal immigrants and outsourcing. The ability of young black males who are not genius astronaut brain-surgeons to support a family was deliberately destroyed. Bad things ALWAYS happen when this is the case, I assure you that whites are not immune. As the ability of regular whites to support a family is being destroyed, white culture is also fraying: maybe not exactly like black society is, but it's wearing down all the same.

    Consider the Chinese. So peaceful, so respectful and hardworking. And yet, when Mao's policy of maximizing population growth (you heard that right: MAXIMIZING) and gutting industrial development caused a famine, the 'peaceful' Chinese were rioting in the streets and even the communists had a hard time preventing the country from being torn asunder: they managed that by the time-honored method of deflecting the anger of all those angry hungry young men onto 'class enemies'.

    Now working-class blacks should be making common cause with working-class whites (and asians etc.) against our corrupt neo-liberal trade policies, immigration policies, and bank bailouts, but the rich don't want that. So blacks are being deliberately goaded into 'hating whitey' - this is by design - it's divide and conquer, baby.

    But hey, the right people are making big money, and money is proof positive of virtue, and if things do blow up they can just sail away in their yachts, so it's all good.

    Me, I'm voting for Trump.

    Thank you for your very perceptive analysis and I, too, am voting for Trump. I will have to hold my nose a bit: Some engineers think his signature project of the Wall is simply not doable (see http://www.nationalmemo.com/an-engineer-explains-why-trumps-wall-is-so-implausible/ ). Worse, it would be an environmental disaster.

    But I shall have to ask God to forgive me and vote Republican for the first time in my life. The global elites (they’re not a figment of some conspiracy theorist’s imagination) really do want to rule the world and screw everyone else. Hillary is their man. The media onslaught against Trump shows how desperate they are for power. They may very well start a war with Russia. I’m not ashamed to admit that I am frightened, for the Blacks, the Whites, and everyone else.

    The smart Blacks (the 10% to the right of their IQ bell curve who are above 100, which is the White median) who can think for themselves (W.E.B. DuBois’ “talented tenth”) may see through the fog of disinformation and support their real economic interests and not Goldman Sachs’. 90% of Blacks can’t think deeply and always act on emotion. Trump is making his pitch to the “talented tenth”, not taking any ethnic group for granted in what he knows will be a close election.

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  214. annamaria says:
    @syonredux

    “The chief selling point for massive levels of immigration by Hispanic Mestizos and Amerinds …”
    Where have you found such a selling point on this site? Look again at the photograph at the heading of this article. – This should bring you back to the main topic of this discussion.
     
    From Ron Unz.

    Still do not have courage to take another look at the aged veteran and young thug?

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    Still do not have courage to take another look at the aged veteran and young thug?
     
    Looked at it. Not interesting.

    What is interesting is that by 2060 roughly 30% of the population of the USA will consist of Hispanic Amerinds and Mestizos, people with IQs ten points below the White Anglo mean.

    Call me crazy, but I don't think that that will help the USA compete with China:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/sinotriumph/
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  215. syonredux says:
    @annamaria
    Still do not have courage to take another look at the aged veteran and young thug?

    Still do not have courage to take another look at the aged veteran and young thug?

    Looked at it. Not interesting.

    What is interesting is that by 2060 roughly 30% of the population of the USA will consist of Hispanic Amerinds and Mestizos, people with IQs ten points below the White Anglo mean.

    Call me crazy, but I don’t think that that will help the USA compete with China:

    http://www.unz.com/akarlin/sinotriumph/

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  216. Ed says:
    @Durruti
    "You failed to note that Africans sold us the slaves to begin with."

    I have not the time to reply to all your ignorant rants. I will respond to the one quoted above.

    1. Many Africans were enslaved by armed European and American slavers - raiding African villages and grabbing all the residents they could.

    2. Other slaves were acquired by means of purchasing them from - mostly - Portuguese slave marketers, (some of whom, but not all, were Jewish).

    3. You Haters conveniently fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the descendants of those who benefited from, or allowed slavery to exist, to recompense the descendants of their brutalized ancestors.

    You imply that if you purchase a slave, that act makes it somehow morally, (and financially) acceptable - than if you actually go out and hunt for Humans - yourself (and cut out the middle man). Your very utterances condemn you for eternity.

    This is factually incorrect as Europeans were incapable of going a few miles into the interior of Western Africa without getting sick & dying. The best ally for the African against European encroachment was the mosquito.

    When you read accounts of actual slave traders you will read accounts of them dealing with savvy and brutal African traders. If for example a European refused to buy a captive his African handler would kill them on the spot. Many sales were completed by threatening to kill the captives. Also along the coast powerful mulatto slave trading families formed and they came to dominate the trade.

    Blaming Europeans is nice but Africans could have said no. They didn’t.

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  217. @JSM
    Cousins have every “right” to marry

    Horsepuckies. Nobody has rights that hurt someone else.

    Who gets hurt when cousins marry? The offspring, who have a much higher load of negative
    genetics (two copies of recessive genes with negative repercussions, often devastating. Tay-sachs disease for example.)

    Who gets hurt when two races marry? The mixed-race offspring, who suffer from feelings of
    not really belonging to either parent's race, and even up to including great difficulty finding a compatible donor should they need an organ transplant.

    Who is doing the right thing to marry? Two opposite-sex people who will give their offspring the best chances in life. That includes: being of the same race (so the genes are similar but not identical and that child feels a sense of belonging), being mentally stable so they will provide for that child both in terms of love and physical needs, and being in love and committed so they will stay together so the child isn't exposed to the disaster of a broken home.

    Now, if the couple is STERILE and want to marry interracially? Go ahead. But do it QUIETLY. Don't agitate to make it the "norm" and disturb the development of children of each parent's race who will grow up to reproduce the races.
    Two homos who want to live together? Go ahead. But do it QUIETLY. Don't agitate to make it the "norm" and disturb the normal development of heterosexual children who will be the ones to grow up and reproduce the race.

    Who gets hurt when cousins marry? The offspring…

    Uh, that applies only to opposite-sex couples. And even then, only if both partners are fertile. (Or virile, whatever.)

    But we’ve always prohibited siblings of any age to marry, even though the sister-wife is past menopause. So, if marriage is a right, then your argument doesn’t justify a limitation of such a right. Yet that limitation is universal.

    I don’t believe marriage is a right (sacraments aren’t!), and never said they were. You’re confusing me with Anthony Kennedy.

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  218. @JSM
    Cousins have every “right” to marry

    Horsepuckies. Nobody has rights that hurt someone else.

    Who gets hurt when cousins marry? The offspring, who have a much higher load of negative
    genetics (two copies of recessive genes with negative repercussions, often devastating. Tay-sachs disease for example.)

    Who gets hurt when two races marry? The mixed-race offspring, who suffer from feelings of
    not really belonging to either parent's race, and even up to including great difficulty finding a compatible donor should they need an organ transplant.

    Who is doing the right thing to marry? Two opposite-sex people who will give their offspring the best chances in life. That includes: being of the same race (so the genes are similar but not identical and that child feels a sense of belonging), being mentally stable so they will provide for that child both in terms of love and physical needs, and being in love and committed so they will stay together so the child isn't exposed to the disaster of a broken home.

    Now, if the couple is STERILE and want to marry interracially? Go ahead. But do it QUIETLY. Don't agitate to make it the "norm" and disturb the development of children of each parent's race who will grow up to reproduce the races.
    Two homos who want to live together? Go ahead. But do it QUIETLY. Don't agitate to make it the "norm" and disturb the normal development of heterosexual children who will be the ones to grow up and reproduce the race.

    Incidentally, the risk of birth defects increases from something like 2% to something like 4% when siblings marry, if I remember what I read correctly. Inform us if I have it wrong. That hardly justifies the restriction of a right– which marriage isn’t, regardless of what the UN and others say.

    The real problem with consanguine marriages is not the one-off sibling match, but generation after generation of first- and second-cousin marriage, as in the Middle East. (Though Sephardic Jews don’t seem to have been harmed that much by avuncular marriage. How widespread that was among them, I don’t know, but it was allowed. Still is, in Rhode Island.)

    Consanguinity bans and interracial bans are just the opposite tails of the same spectrum. One says the relatives are too close, the other, too distant. Most of us choose the sweet spot in-between.

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  219. @Corvinus
    "Since when is diagnosis insult?"

    Except it's not a diagnosis, it's a wild generalization. It's intellectually sterile when a leftist or rightist characterizes their opponent as being "mentally ill".

    "Not if they’re closely related, or if they’re already married to someone else."

    I wasn't referring to cousin marriage, the topic at hand was whether a white is able to marry a non-white. Stay on task.

    "A ban on interracial marriages is along the same lines as these other bans. Marriage is either a right, or it isn’t."

    Do you even comprehend life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? An unrelated white person choosing to have offspring with an unrelated non-white, and vice versa, is a fundamental right. Only a fascist would seek to ban interracial marriages.

    "Law aside, there are social and moral questions to consider. White and Asian coalburners are engaging in predatory behavior toward an already beleaguered population in the marriage market."

    You're going to have to offer specific instances of this alleged "predatory behavior" rather than make unfounded accusations.

    "By the way, speaking of whites’ liberty, under the Virginia law thrown out by Loving, whites were the only race unable to marry outside their race. Blacks, Indians, and Asians could marry those of any race, except white. Like men with the military draft, whites were held to higher standards. What’s wrong with that?"

    The human race supersedes individual races.

    Remember, Moses' wife was of another race. In Numbers 12:1-15, Aaron and Miriam were punished for criticizing this interracial marriage. Colossians 3:11 makes it clear that from God's perspective all are one in Christ. The Bible is clear that when both parties are believers (equally yoked), interracial marriage is not wrong.

    I wasn’t referring to cousin marriage, the topic at hand was whether a white is able to marry a non-white. Stay on task.

    All marriage is cousin marriage. We’re even cousins of ourselves, many times over, if you go back far enough.

    Only a fascist would seek to ban interracial marriages.

    So Virginians were fascists?

    Anyway, I didn’t say they should be banned, only discouraged. Kind of like smoking and casino gambling. There’s this whole grey area between “shouldn’t” and “shouldn’t be allowed to” that you might want to discover and explore…

    The human race supersedes individual races.

    That view endorses genocide. Read Lemkin’s second definition of the term. Or check out Steve’s stuff on the Afro-Mexicans.

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    "All marriage is cousin marriage. We’re even cousins of ourselves, many times over, if you go back far enough."

    On what basis of fact rests your claim? Best find some evidence to back it up.

    "So Virginians were fascists?"

    Southerners were fascists.

    "Anyway, I didn’t say they should be banned, only discouraged. Kind of like smoking and casino gambling.

    Except marriage is not a sinful activity compared to the two vices you listed. Do you even think before you write.

    What passages in the Bible states clearly that it is sinful for whites to marry and procreate with non-whites?

    "There’s this whole grey area between “shouldn’t” and “shouldn’t be allowed to” that you might want to discover and explore."

    See, when someone says you "shouldn't", it inevitably becomes "shouldn't be allowed to".

    "That view endorses genocide. Read Lemkin’s second definition of the term. Or check out Steve’s stuff on the Afro-Mexicans."

    It does no such thing. The most important race is the human race. The white race is not being genocided, is not going extinct, is not targeted for extermination. That is your mind hallucinating.

    Pro-race is code for anti-humanity.
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  220. gwynedd1 says:
    @Truth
    "1. Many Africans were enslaved by armed European and American slavers – raiding African villages and grabbing all the residents they could."

    In truth, this was rare. White men didn't live long in Africa before malaria drugs.

    Yep. Any European going into Africa was as good as dead. Whites were killing themselves in the Caribbean as nearly the same rate as their slaves from importing tropical disease. It was quite pathetic. With better conditions they could have bred slaves which would have spared them the imported diseases to some extent.

    So no Europeans just purchased them from Africans. North Africans on the other hand did raid Europe in exactly this village raiding manner into the 19th century.

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  221. joef says:
    @dan t
    joef,
    you make sweeping generalizations such as 'they' are habitual takers, and 'they' hate us so much. this is extremely far from accurate.
    most of the blacks i worked with in extremely rough philadelphia had huge hearts. this means, to me, they gave and gave and gave. it also means they were filled with love, not hate. no doubt hate was there too, and it should have been: we should all hate what is hateful, and so much that is dumped on their 'communities' is.
    i also worked with some extremely rough teenagers, also in philly. many of them were truly hateful. try to imagine their lives. mother a strung out prostitute, dad dead or in jail. this was the norm at that shelter. the kids were bundles of hate and anger. still, abuse though i did daily have to endure, white me did get through to several of these kids, and in a short time as they only could stay there for one month.

    also, you say don't worry now about how, just remedy it. this will lead nowhere. whites and blacks are constantly lied to, misled, and brainwashed. this includes everything from schooling to music frequencies, and certainly including the drug, sex and rap culture. are we naturally dumbed down, so quickly and to such an extent? we have to learn our REAL history in order to do anything about it. great powers want the united states destroyed, and it seems they have won already. let us hope we still can win the war--all americans together, in this (once) unique bastion of hope for the world.

    Your bleeding heart sentiments are nice, but not particularly helpful. This is not to blame afro americans, it is just an accurate description of how they generally behave. And yes they are generalizations because getting muddled in exceptions just leads to further inaction when confronting the problem.
    Similar to ghetto afro americans, I do not hate a pack of wild dogs, nor do I blame them for acting the way they do, yet I recognize the reality of them being dangerous. Wanting to ignore the reality of the problem will not make it go away.

    Again, when your house is burning down its time to focus on the immediacy of the problem, not ponder on the root cause of the situation. Our collective economic/social house is burning down, sentimentality is not going to change that fact. Either you confront it or it will confront you.
    The afro american youth family circumstances that cause, what you term as, ‘bundles of hate’, is not anyone else’s responsibility. We did not cause that situation, but nevertheless, either now or later, we will be forced to respond to it.

    The past Fifty years of cajoling afro americans obviously did not work. And throwing more money at the situation that is never corrected is a definition of a financial money pit. If you believe that these generalizations are exaggerated, find me an inner city afro american neighborhood that is not predominantly full of dysfunctional problems. If blaming whitey is the only solution, then nothing will ever get solved.

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  222. @Wizard of Oz
    Some of my ancestors were transported as convicts for deeds which would not be criminal or not prosecuted today and in some cases (Irish) were just patriotic. How should I quantify my claim and should I be exempt from the taxation needed to finance the reparations or damages?

    The corrrect form as I understand it cobber is to acquire the dress coat of a french admiral and a small boat, row ashore at the east coast port of Hartlepool and announce to any loiterers, “M’sieu, je suis revenu et d’exiger la satisfaction ” or some such Frog bollocks.
    Should get you everything you deserve. Helps if you don’t wash or shave for a bit. And scream and gibber at them while jumping up and down, if they don’t understand. They’re a bit slow.

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  223. dcite says:
    @Anonymous
    Generally there have been 3 solutions in history: separation, destruction, or absorption.

    People here call me a troll for pointing out the obvious. Only absorption is imaginable. Those calling for blacks to be packed into South African style "Bantustan" settlements are the real trolls.

    Only if they are very low in numbers could they be absorbed. Their numbers in most places in the U.S., where they are actually a problem, are too large to be “absorbed” — something they themselves would not go along with anyway. In any case, the vast majority are not marriage or mate material for whites. The murder and mayhem rates are enormously higher with black mates. Why would you want to encourage that? BF/WM unions are more successful, but even here, the likelihood of being offed by black partner is much higher than when both are white. It’s weird. Why is this worth it? There’s some fundamental incoompatibility; again, speaking of averages.
    There is one interesting fact. Although people don’t ask or check their friends’ or mates’ IQ, married couples and close friends’ IQs, fall within 5 points of each other. I knew there’d be a closeness, but even I was surprised at how small the IQ difference is on the average. That one fact will mean whites and blacks simply are not going to be compatible in long term relationships, on the average.

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    BF/WM unions are more successful, but even here, the likelihood of being offed by black partner is much higher than when both are white.
     
    I read this stat as well. Many modern feminist White women usually wants the bad boy (and then demands that a nice guy pick up the pieces of their poor love life choices, with no gratitude given - - my advice to those who meet these kind of women is do not get involved with such trash). So choosing a ghetto afro american male is just the ultimate version of the bad boy that they are attracted to. Then eventually they end up with an out of wedlock mulatto child, and the father no where to be found.

    However in most White male, Black female relationships, it is usually because the White male actually loves his Black female partner. Unfortunately for him, many Black females will not be able to reciprocate unconditional love because of racial obsessions. The constant identification with being afro american, instead of primary identification with the marital family unit, causes a lack of true commitment to their White male spouse, and this eventually condemns the marriage to failure.

    Also there are many liberal excuses for ghetto radical afro american pathologies, and there is much criticism for the rest of us because we are unwilling to be 'willing victims' to ghetto radical afro american violence. Blaming whitey for everything has become the habitual ghetto radical afro american response to every problem. It does not appear that this current trend will ever reverse itself, and when it ends at its likely result, we will all suffer for it. Learn to live like your grand parents did, because times are going to get very tough.

    Pray that Blacks will stop listening to leftist nonsense so we can have some peace again, and that the hardship and bloodshed will not occur (but the reality will probably be otherwise, and all we can do is react to it when it comes). Thank the leftist for making radical afro americans the rancorous hostile mob they are today; if there is a die off, from the potential chaos & anarchy, I hope the leftist go first (it is only just that the leftist suffer from the social Frankenstein monster that they helped to create).
    [Racial Balkanization + Economic Decline = Very Hard Times].

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  224. joef says:
    @dcite
    Only if they are very low in numbers could they be absorbed. Their numbers in most places in the U.S., where they are actually a problem, are too large to be "absorbed" -- something they themselves would not go along with anyway. In any case, the vast majority are not marriage or mate material for whites. The murder and mayhem rates are enormously higher with black mates. Why would you want to encourage that? BF/WM unions are more successful, but even here, the likelihood of being offed by black partner is much higher than when both are white. It's weird. Why is this worth it? There's some fundamental incoompatibility; again, speaking of averages.
    There is one interesting fact. Although people don't ask or check their friends' or mates' IQ, married couples and close friends' IQs, fall within 5 points of each other. I knew there'd be a closeness, but even I was surprised at how small the IQ difference is on the average. That one fact will mean whites and blacks simply are not going to be compatible in long term relationships, on the average.

    BF/WM unions are more successful, but even here, the likelihood of being offed by black partner is much higher than when both are white.

    I read this stat as well. Many modern feminist White women usually wants the bad boy (and then demands that a nice guy pick up the pieces of their poor love life choices, with no gratitude given – – my advice to those who meet these kind of women is do not get involved with such trash). So choosing a ghetto afro american male is just the ultimate version of the bad boy that they are attracted to. Then eventually they end up with an out of wedlock mulatto child, and the father no where to be found.

    However in most White male, Black female relationships, it is usually because the White male actually loves his Black female partner. Unfortunately for him, many Black females will not be able to reciprocate unconditional love because of racial obsessions. The constant identification with being afro american, instead of primary identification with the marital family unit, causes a lack of true commitment to their White male spouse, and this eventually condemns the marriage to failure.

    Also there are many liberal excuses for ghetto radical afro american pathologies, and there is much criticism for the rest of us because we are unwilling to be ‘willing victims’ to ghetto radical afro american violence. Blaming whitey for everything has become the habitual ghetto radical afro american response to every problem. It does not appear that this current trend will ever reverse itself, and when it ends at its likely result, we will all suffer for it. Learn to live like your grand parents did, because times are going to get very tough.

    Pray that Blacks will stop listening to leftist nonsense so we can have some peace again, and that the hardship and bloodshed will not occur (but the reality will probably be otherwise, and all we can do is react to it when it comes). Thank the leftist for making radical afro americans the rancorous hostile mob they are today; if there is a die off, from the potential chaos & anarchy, I hope the leftist go first (it is only just that the leftist suffer from the social Frankenstein monster that they helped to create).
    [Racial Balkanization + Economic Decline = Very Hard Times].

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  225. @joef
    Virginia State Police and Fairfax PD deal with isolated occurrences of afro american ghetto criminal behavior. They are not experienced with dealing with en mass african american ghetto anarchy (like DC/Baltimore/Philly/Newark/Brooklyn/Bronx/Chicago/LA etc nor like smaller ghetto habitats such as Newburgh NY, Camden NJ, East St Louis, and Stockton Cal). They never worked a solo foot post in the ghetto where they are completely outnumbered and outgunned, thus they are inexperienced in handling such things. There ability to handle a mass disorder would be as compromised as any other police agency, and depending on how bad & dysfunctional things get, may decide not to show up at all, and stay home with their families & neighbors instead (especially if severe austerity hits their paychecks, which the current economic trend line is eventually heading).

    Perhaps, but contingencies are in place. I remember like yesterday when MLK took a bullet, in hours and for days, DC in flames, circa 1968. Highways blocked, 50, 29/211. I395, stocked to the gills with VSP and the police of each county. Even out in Fairfax, 12, 15 miles out, stores boarding windows and local city police, sheriffs departments watching entries into towns out there. They meant for the Blaxx not to bring “Burn, Baby Burn” out to us.

    Fairfax cops and Va State Police don’t HAVE to bother with the scenarios you depict because the area is wealthy and White/Asian/Hispanic, they aren’t the criminal element of Baltimore/DC/Philly. Areas of Richmond and Norfolk have some violent Dindu, but overall the State isn’t anything like the typical Black areas. The citizens, in spite of the State (Commonwealth, actually) trending a little more Blue tend more Conservative about their own situation as regards crime. Much like Boston, where I live now, come to think of it. Boston cops are another group that accept little nonsense from Dindu criminals.

    If the entire society breaks down? ALL of it? All bets are off and like you said, everyone would be off to tend to their families. We’d fend better up here because cops are of the towns they protect. Things are tightly knit in New England outside of Boston, the townie notion is real.

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    Yes under normal circumstances, what you describe is absolutely correct. I am just projecting our current trend lines into the future, with these premises:

    - - The libs keep on saying that we should be more openminded to the radical afro americans, however what they fail to understand is that it does not matter what we think about them (which is usually pandering or neutral or cautious, depending on your experiences; its very rare that I ever met a white man who hates blacks just because they are black!);
    Its about what they feel about the rest of us that is the problem. And what they feel about us seems to be consistently full of racist negative emotions.

    - -These negative emotions are not being reduced or abated, but are actually being enhanced by our MSM race baiters. The afro american has fully inculcated the blame whitey attitude as the answer to all their own, mostly self created, problems. Afro americans themselves seem to be completely myopic in this matter, and are incapable of being introspective regarding race relations.

    - - Afro americans entitlements place a huge economic burden upon this nation's finances. They are not the only cause, but it is a significant contributing factor to our continued economic slowdown.

    - - Our economic system (like the rest of the world's economy) is resembling a glorified Ponzi scheme, and is simply not sustainable in the longterm. Eventually local governments will financially collapse from the strain. There will be eventual austerity and bank runs if this trend line continues.

    - - And like the 1970's you will see massive cuts in state/local govt services.
    Reduced garbage pickups, closing of prisons, closing of military bases, closing of Fire houses, reduced postal service, reduced snow removal, reduced road repair (with corresponding increases in tolls), reduced public transportation, lack of police radio cars, laid off police officers, lack of water main repairs, and merging of school districts, will eventually become the norm for most of urban america, and many of its suburbs (just like Detroit).

    - - Thus the resources to deal with mass unrest will not be as readily available under this type of future economic conditions. In other words, its is not the current situation that worries me, its where all this is going that I fear. The leftist are irresponsibly pushing for racial balkanization, and creating an entitlement system that is simply not economically sustainable in the longterm. If this continues, it will not be good.

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  226. @Seoulsurvivor
    That is encouraging to know. I love how you say, "In their eyes, we are all equally worthless." So true. They adopt the cop mentality that feels it is them against us. Some of us are criminals but everyone is a suspect. That's why I am polite when I have to deal with police and happy to be quit of them when I am. There is just too much simmering animosity, barely under the surface, towards the public for me to want to be exposed to for any longer than necessary. They are the only group that can say the word "Sir" during a stop and it is basically intoned as mother fucker.

    But along those lines. If it gets to the point of everyone for themselves, The concept of armed insurrection is just that...a concept. I have 187 rounds of 5.56 and 9mm. There are no doubt some nut jobs out there with tens of thousands of rounds hoarded somewhere. But a normal person that would take to the streets and march on the square would soon be out of ammo. And the government would have long since closed and shuttered the stores that would sell more. And unlike our opponents in the Korean or Vietnam wars we would not be able to depend on Russia or China for resupply.

    I don’t disagree as to the attitudes of streets cops. In Northern Virginia, the cops don’t have the big-city worries of Chicago cops, it’s a suburb, and still they’re assholes, even in a traffic stop. Every encounter, every traffic ticket starts with hand-on-weapon as they approach. They’ve been TAUGHT that way, they’re militarized. That’s the civilians’ fault. Also, street patrolmen in cars in the suburbs are overarmed in my belief. They get into a situation and they send rounds zinging all over the neighborhood. No need for a suburban cop to be armed with 75 rounds of .40 hollowpoint and a Glock, it’s nuts. Sorry. Get a couple of them together, it gets seriously fucked up. Again, post-911, civilians asked for all this.

    I’d put street cops on the street with 6-shooters and three speed loaders myself. They’d develop better tactics, they’d have to. Retreat, call for help, make every shot count. No reason back at the car they couldn’t have a .40 or an M-16, but initial approach should be revolvers. There are too many of these deals involving traffic stops where the cops empty 15 rounds into a defenseless citizen without even thinking about it. In the days before every cop carried a semi-auto, however, sentencing was stiffer against bad guys, especially recidivists.

    I left Northern Virginia in part because of a lot of that, local governments turning the highways into revenue streams, the traffic courts, cameras, always having to fend off a system determined to get into your wallet. I service phones and IT, I drive a LOT and have a clean record, but to that end, in Northern Virginia (and Md and DC) you’re in traffic court fighting bullshit tickets two or three times a year and oh, cops, do they ever lie when it suits. Maybe all that’s the result of a small town becoming big and rich. Maybe it’s the DC area, there are such a sheer variety of cops, all with jurisdiction, all contestants armed. I could name at least a dozen police agencies with full, shoot-to-kill roadside authority in any jurisdiction in Virginia. Whatever, I bailed, left for New England in 2009, never looked back.

    From Boston to the North Shore, cops are a different animal. I believe I’ll stay. Practically no Dindu and the football is better, too.

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    Boston? Any area with the "wonderful change of seasons" is too cold for me. I lived in Plymouth going to Cape Cod Community College (4C's) from '76 - '79. I got to enjoy the blizzard of '78. Then transferred to a 4 year institution in Ithaca, NY for my BS. I now live in San Antonio. Will retire in December of 2023. My wife wants to move because July and August are too hot. If I do that it will probably be Georgia or South Carolina. Somewhere on\near the water. Both states are not too far north to be too cold and the tax climate (particularly in Georgia) is OK.

    The thing I find with law enforcement is that, due to the bottled up deep animosity towards the public, breaks down to 4 items:
    1. They engage in an elevated manner too soon.
    2. The degree of elevation is decidedly beyond what is reasonable (assuming an elevation of
    engagement was even necessary).
    3. The elevated engagement lasts longer than necessary.
    4. They enjoy it on a level on par with sex.
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  227. joef says:
    @Jim Christian
    Perhaps, but contingencies are in place. I remember like yesterday when MLK took a bullet, in hours and for days, DC in flames, circa 1968. Highways blocked, 50, 29/211. I395, stocked to the gills with VSP and the police of each county. Even out in Fairfax, 12, 15 miles out, stores boarding windows and local city police, sheriffs departments watching entries into towns out there. They meant for the Blaxx not to bring "Burn, Baby Burn" out to us.

    Fairfax cops and Va State Police don't HAVE to bother with the scenarios you depict because the area is wealthy and White/Asian/Hispanic, they aren't the criminal element of Baltimore/DC/Philly. Areas of Richmond and Norfolk have some violent Dindu, but overall the State isn't anything like the typical Black areas. The citizens, in spite of the State (Commonwealth, actually) trending a little more Blue tend more Conservative about their own situation as regards crime. Much like Boston, where I live now, come to think of it. Boston cops are another group that accept little nonsense from Dindu criminals.

    If the entire society breaks down? ALL of it? All bets are off and like you said, everyone would be off to tend to their families. We'd fend better up here because cops are of the towns they protect. Things are tightly knit in New England outside of Boston, the townie notion is real.

    Yes under normal circumstances, what you describe is absolutely correct. I am just projecting our current trend lines into the future, with these premises:

    - – The libs keep on saying that we should be more openminded to the radical afro americans, however what they fail to understand is that it does not matter what we think about them (which is usually pandering or neutral or cautious, depending on your experiences; its very rare that I ever met a white man who hates blacks just because they are black!);
    Its about what they feel about the rest of us that is the problem. And what they feel about us seems to be consistently full of racist negative emotions.

    - -These negative emotions are not being reduced or abated, but are actually being enhanced by our MSM race baiters. The afro american has fully inculcated the blame whitey attitude as the answer to all their own, mostly self created, problems. Afro americans themselves seem to be completely myopic in this matter, and are incapable of being introspective regarding race relations.

    - – Afro americans entitlements place a huge economic burden upon this nation’s finances. They are not the only cause, but it is a significant contributing factor to our continued economic slowdown.

    - – Our economic system (like the rest of the world’s economy) is resembling a glorified Ponzi scheme, and is simply not sustainable in the longterm. Eventually local governments will financially collapse from the strain. There will be eventual austerity and bank runs if this trend line continues.

    - – And like the 1970′s you will see massive cuts in state/local govt services.
    Reduced garbage pickups, closing of prisons, closing of military bases, closing of Fire houses, reduced postal service, reduced snow removal, reduced road repair (with corresponding increases in tolls), reduced public transportation, lack of police radio cars, laid off police officers, lack of water main repairs, and merging of school districts, will eventually become the norm for most of urban america, and many of its suburbs (just like Detroit).

    - – Thus the resources to deal with mass unrest will not be as readily available under this type of future economic conditions. In other words, its is not the current situation that worries me, its where all this is going that I fear. The leftist are irresponsibly pushing for racial balkanization, and creating an entitlement system that is simply not economically sustainable in the longterm. If this continues, it will not be good.

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    Hell, forget the entitlements, although they're huge. But look at how government expanded to provide reparations, errr, JOBS to millions of Blacks that didn't pack the gear to be hired by private industry, except under EEOC regs/duress. Add in all the free college these folks were handed (and very, VERY few were college material, they simply printed them a degree after five or six years) and the burden carrying this high-maintenance 13% of the population is HUGE.

    Add in the crimes, the murders, the perpetual dissatisfaction they express they really aren't worth it. Might as well call a halt to all of it and let them riot. If you asked any Black anywhere how much is enough, the answer would always be, "More". And of course, they want it "NOW!". Fuggem.
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  228. @Jim Christian
    I don't disagree as to the attitudes of streets cops. In Northern Virginia, the cops don't have the big-city worries of Chicago cops, it's a suburb, and still they're assholes, even in a traffic stop. Every encounter, every traffic ticket starts with hand-on-weapon as they approach. They've been TAUGHT that way, they're militarized. That's the civilians' fault. Also, street patrolmen in cars in the suburbs are overarmed in my belief. They get into a situation and they send rounds zinging all over the neighborhood. No need for a suburban cop to be armed with 75 rounds of .40 hollowpoint and a Glock, it's nuts. Sorry. Get a couple of them together, it gets seriously fucked up. Again, post-911, civilians asked for all this.

    I'd put street cops on the street with 6-shooters and three speed loaders myself. They'd develop better tactics, they'd have to. Retreat, call for help, make every shot count. No reason back at the car they couldn't have a .40 or an M-16, but initial approach should be revolvers. There are too many of these deals involving traffic stops where the cops empty 15 rounds into a defenseless citizen without even thinking about it. In the days before every cop carried a semi-auto, however, sentencing was stiffer against bad guys, especially recidivists.

    I left Northern Virginia in part because of a lot of that, local governments turning the highways into revenue streams, the traffic courts, cameras, always having to fend off a system determined to get into your wallet. I service phones and IT, I drive a LOT and have a clean record, but to that end, in Northern Virginia (and Md and DC) you're in traffic court fighting bullshit tickets two or three times a year and oh, cops, do they ever lie when it suits. Maybe all that's the result of a small town becoming big and rich. Maybe it's the DC area, there are such a sheer variety of cops, all with jurisdiction, all contestants armed. I could name at least a dozen police agencies with full, shoot-to-kill roadside authority in any jurisdiction in Virginia. Whatever, I bailed, left for New England in 2009, never looked back.

    From Boston to the North Shore, cops are a different animal. I believe I'll stay. Practically no Dindu and the football is better, too.

    Boston? Any area with the “wonderful change of seasons” is too cold for me. I lived in Plymouth going to Cape Cod Community College (4C’s) from ’76 – ’79. I got to enjoy the blizzard of ’78. Then transferred to a 4 year institution in Ithaca, NY for my BS. I now live in San Antonio. Will retire in December of 2023. My wife wants to move because July and August are too hot. If I do that it will probably be Georgia or South Carolina. Somewhere on\near the water. Both states are not too far north to be too cold and the tax climate (particularly in Georgia) is OK.

    The thing I find with law enforcement is that, due to the bottled up deep animosity towards the public, breaks down to 4 items:
    1. They engage in an elevated manner too soon.
    2. The degree of elevation is decidedly beyond what is reasonable (assuming an elevation of
    engagement was even necessary).
    3. The elevated engagement lasts longer than necessary.
    4. They enjoy it on a level on par with sex.

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    I like the change. I don't have to deal with the snow myself, I set my own schedule and my development up here handles it all, the roads get plowed, I have an Outback Subaru, no problems with it here. No wife, but there are plenty of broads to go around, they seem to see the seasons as do I. I hated the heat and humidity of the DC area, that was another factor in my departure. Ah well, to each their own.
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  229. MarkinLA says:
    @KenH
    The majority of blacks have feelings ranging from resentment to satanic racial hatred of white people. This is also applicable to some of the supposedly "good" middle class blacks. An increase in their political power and influence doesn't mollify them and only makes them more violent, demanding and incorrigible as we've seen with eight years of the strident black nationalist and Muslim coddling Hussein Obama.

    It's time for a zero tolerance policy towards blacks and they should be herded into concentration camps. And that's just for starters. It's time for a trail of tears for the American black population considering all of the hate, crime, violence and damage they've inflicted on this nation.

    Sorry I meant my reply for Druid. I must have clicked the wrong button.

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  230. Michelle says:
    @Durruti
    "You failed to note that Africans sold us the slaves to begin with."

    I have not the time to reply to all your ignorant rants. I will respond to the one quoted above.

    1. Many Africans were enslaved by armed European and American slavers - raiding African villages and grabbing all the residents they could.

    2. Other slaves were acquired by means of purchasing them from - mostly - Portuguese slave marketers, (some of whom, but not all, were Jewish).

    3. You Haters conveniently fail to acknowledge the responsibility of the descendants of those who benefited from, or allowed slavery to exist, to recompense the descendants of their brutalized ancestors.

    You imply that if you purchase a slave, that act makes it somehow morally, (and financially) acceptable - than if you actually go out and hunt for Humans - yourself (and cut out the middle man). Your very utterances condemn you for eternity.

    I just read a book about Rum. Rum: a Social and Sociable History of the Real Spirit of 1776. Africans became crazy for Rhode Island Rum! They traded a lot of their countrymen, and women, for rum, though, not those from their own tribe, of course.

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  231. @Seoulsurvivor
    Boston? Any area with the "wonderful change of seasons" is too cold for me. I lived in Plymouth going to Cape Cod Community College (4C's) from '76 - '79. I got to enjoy the blizzard of '78. Then transferred to a 4 year institution in Ithaca, NY for my BS. I now live in San Antonio. Will retire in December of 2023. My wife wants to move because July and August are too hot. If I do that it will probably be Georgia or South Carolina. Somewhere on\near the water. Both states are not too far north to be too cold and the tax climate (particularly in Georgia) is OK.

    The thing I find with law enforcement is that, due to the bottled up deep animosity towards the public, breaks down to 4 items:
    1. They engage in an elevated manner too soon.
    2. The degree of elevation is decidedly beyond what is reasonable (assuming an elevation of
    engagement was even necessary).
    3. The elevated engagement lasts longer than necessary.
    4. They enjoy it on a level on par with sex.

    I like the change. I don’t have to deal with the snow myself, I set my own schedule and my development up here handles it all, the roads get plowed, I have an Outback Subaru, no problems with it here. No wife, but there are plenty of broads to go around, they seem to see the seasons as do I. I hated the heat and humidity of the DC area, that was another factor in my departure. Ah well, to each their own.

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  232. @joef
    Yes under normal circumstances, what you describe is absolutely correct. I am just projecting our current trend lines into the future, with these premises:

    - - The libs keep on saying that we should be more openminded to the radical afro americans, however what they fail to understand is that it does not matter what we think about them (which is usually pandering or neutral or cautious, depending on your experiences; its very rare that I ever met a white man who hates blacks just because they are black!);
    Its about what they feel about the rest of us that is the problem. And what they feel about us seems to be consistently full of racist negative emotions.

    - -These negative emotions are not being reduced or abated, but are actually being enhanced by our MSM race baiters. The afro american has fully inculcated the blame whitey attitude as the answer to all their own, mostly self created, problems. Afro americans themselves seem to be completely myopic in this matter, and are incapable of being introspective regarding race relations.

    - - Afro americans entitlements place a huge economic burden upon this nation's finances. They are not the only cause, but it is a significant contributing factor to our continued economic slowdown.

    - - Our economic system (like the rest of the world's economy) is resembling a glorified Ponzi scheme, and is simply not sustainable in the longterm. Eventually local governments will financially collapse from the strain. There will be eventual austerity and bank runs if this trend line continues.

    - - And like the 1970's you will see massive cuts in state/local govt services.
    Reduced garbage pickups, closing of prisons, closing of military bases, closing of Fire houses, reduced postal service, reduced snow removal, reduced road repair (with corresponding increases in tolls), reduced public transportation, lack of police radio cars, laid off police officers, lack of water main repairs, and merging of school districts, will eventually become the norm for most of urban america, and many of its suburbs (just like Detroit).

    - - Thus the resources to deal with mass unrest will not be as readily available under this type of future economic conditions. In other words, its is not the current situation that worries me, its where all this is going that I fear. The leftist are irresponsibly pushing for racial balkanization, and creating an entitlement system that is simply not economically sustainable in the longterm. If this continues, it will not be good.

    Hell, forget the entitlements, although they’re huge. But look at how government expanded to provide reparations, errr, JOBS to millions of Blacks that didn’t pack the gear to be hired by private industry, except under EEOC regs/duress. Add in all the free college these folks were handed (and very, VERY few were college material, they simply printed them a degree after five or six years) and the burden carrying this high-maintenance 13% of the population is HUGE.

    Add in the crimes, the murders, the perpetual dissatisfaction they express they really aren’t worth it. Might as well call a halt to all of it and let them riot. If you asked any Black anywhere how much is enough, the answer would always be, “More”. And of course, they want it “NOW!”. Fuggem.

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    Yes, all this affirmative action and racial quotas within the private sector has an economic opportunity cost as well. Overall afro americans are less than 20% of the population but over 80% of MSM focus. This largely reflects the great effort our society is putting into afro americans, with negligible results. That is why we have created this whole self esteem without accomplishment training racket, that today we mistakenly call education. This is not even fair to unqualified afro americans because it provides them with false expectations. Further, it is unfair to qualified Blacks because it casts doubt upon their actual ability and accomplishments (even if unspoken).

    With all this BLM rhetoric, you do not hear from them a word about how Chicago's murder rate has increased to a level that is roughly equal to NYC and LA combined! Where is all the outrage about lost afro american lives? Their silence obviously shows that it is not really about actual black lives mattering, as much as hands off policing. At this point, I say give them what they want, and let them deal with the consequences of violence escalating in their own community ( but in reality their violence would never be contained to just their own neighborhood).

    While necessary to voice our frustrations, do not look to political solutions to solve this, because we have lost the fortitude to address the problem of afro american hostility. It is going to have to run its course like a virus, and there is not much we are collectively able to do to stop it (because we do not have the political will to do so). So be prepared for the coming chaos & anarchy, because it will come regardless of how we feel about it. Civilization always has a way of renewing itself after such periods, we need to be patient and strong to survive the process of this potential massive societal correction. Besides what other choice do we have? We all prefer that this does not happen the way it appears to be coming; but realistically you do not have much choice of when a storm will approach. Pray that I am wrong.

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  233. Corvinus says:
    @Reg Cæsar

    I wasn’t referring to cousin marriage, the topic at hand was whether a white is able to marry a non-white. Stay on task.
     
    All marriage is cousin marriage. We're even cousins of ourselves, many times over, if you go back far enough.

    Only a fascist would seek to ban interracial marriages.
     
    So Virginians were fascists?

    Anyway, I didn't say they should be banned, only discouraged. Kind of like smoking and casino gambling. There's this whole grey area between "shouldn't" and "shouldn't be allowed to" that you might want to discover and explore...

    The human race supersedes individual races.
     
    That view endorses genocide. Read Lemkin's second definition of the term. Or check out Steve's stuff on the Afro-Mexicans.

    “All marriage is cousin marriage. We’re even cousins of ourselves, many times over, if you go back far enough.”

    On what basis of fact rests your claim? Best find some evidence to back it up.

    “So Virginians were fascists?”

    Southerners were fascists.

    “Anyway, I didn’t say they should be banned, only discouraged. Kind of like smoking and casino gambling.

    Except marriage is not a sinful activity compared to the two vices you listed. Do you even think before you write.

    What passages in the Bible states clearly that it is sinful for whites to marry and procreate with non-whites?

    “There’s this whole grey area between “shouldn’t” and “shouldn’t be allowed to” that you might want to discover and explore.”

    See, when someone says you “shouldn’t”, it inevitably becomes “shouldn’t be allowed to”.

    “That view endorses genocide. Read Lemkin’s second definition of the term. Or check out Steve’s stuff on the Afro-Mexicans.”

    It does no such thing. The most important race is the human race. The white race is not being genocided, is not going extinct, is not targeted for extermination. That is your mind hallucinating.

    Pro-race is code for anti-humanity.

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    Pro-race is code for anti-humanity.
     
    An honest Japanese (or Tamil or African) racialist is certainly more human than a white prog troll.
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  234. joef says:
    @Jim Christian
    Hell, forget the entitlements, although they're huge. But look at how government expanded to provide reparations, errr, JOBS to millions of Blacks that didn't pack the gear to be hired by private industry, except under EEOC regs/duress. Add in all the free college these folks were handed (and very, VERY few were college material, they simply printed them a degree after five or six years) and the burden carrying this high-maintenance 13% of the population is HUGE.

    Add in the crimes, the murders, the perpetual dissatisfaction they express they really aren't worth it. Might as well call a halt to all of it and let them riot. If you asked any Black anywhere how much is enough, the answer would always be, "More". And of course, they want it "NOW!". Fuggem.

    Yes, all this affirmative action and racial quotas within the private sector has an economic opportunity cost as well. Overall afro americans are less than 20% of the population but over 80% of MSM focus. This largely reflects the great effort our society is putting into afro americans, with negligible results. That is why we have created this whole self esteem without accomplishment training racket, that today we mistakenly call education. This is not even fair to unqualified afro americans because it provides them with false expectations. Further, it is unfair to qualified Blacks because it casts doubt upon their actual ability and accomplishments (even if unspoken).

    With all this BLM rhetoric, you do not hear from them a word about how Chicago’s murder rate has increased to a level that is roughly equal to NYC and LA combined! Where is all the outrage about lost afro american lives? Their silence obviously shows that it is not really about actual black lives mattering, as much as hands off policing. At this point, I say give them what they want, and let them deal with the consequences of violence escalating in their own community ( but in reality their violence would never be contained to just their own neighborhood).

    While necessary to voice our frustrations, do not look to political solutions to solve this, because we have lost the fortitude to address the problem of afro american hostility. It is going to have to run its course like a virus, and there is not much we are collectively able to do to stop it (because we do not have the political will to do so). So be prepared for the coming chaos & anarchy, because it will come regardless of how we feel about it. Civilization always has a way of renewing itself after such periods, we need to be patient and strong to survive the process of this potential massive societal correction. Besides what other choice do we have? We all prefer that this does not happen the way it appears to be coming; but realistically you do not have much choice of when a storm will approach. Pray that I am wrong.

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    joef:

    If ever you should be inclined to put these thoughts you have been sharing here into an article I have a blog that would be honored to publish it.
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  235. @Truth
    "Your experience re: the way ghetto afro americans attack is exactly what they do. They attack only when they have an unfair advantage, by either outnumbering, being armed, being larger, or by ambushing their opponent. They are generally predatory bullies who are afraid to fight without some sort of unfair advantage..."

    LMFAO! Hey, no wonder we like joining the US military!

    “LMFAO! Hey, no wonder we like joining the US military!”

    You join the military for the same reason you join the Dept of Agriculture or whatever: because its an easy government job to get and to keep. Blacks in the military are over represented in support roles – jobs like cook, etc. They are under represented in combat arms – the tip of the spear so to speak. So yeah Truth, even there you look for the easy way out.

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  236. schmenz says:
    @joef
    Yes, all this affirmative action and racial quotas within the private sector has an economic opportunity cost as well. Overall afro americans are less than 20% of the population but over 80% of MSM focus. This largely reflects the great effort our society is putting into afro americans, with negligible results. That is why we have created this whole self esteem without accomplishment training racket, that today we mistakenly call education. This is not even fair to unqualified afro americans because it provides them with false expectations. Further, it is unfair to qualified Blacks because it casts doubt upon their actual ability and accomplishments (even if unspoken).

    With all this BLM rhetoric, you do not hear from them a word about how Chicago's murder rate has increased to a level that is roughly equal to NYC and LA combined! Where is all the outrage about lost afro american lives? Their silence obviously shows that it is not really about actual black lives mattering, as much as hands off policing. At this point, I say give them what they want, and let them deal with the consequences of violence escalating in their own community ( but in reality their violence would never be contained to just their own neighborhood).

    While necessary to voice our frustrations, do not look to political solutions to solve this, because we have lost the fortitude to address the problem of afro american hostility. It is going to have to run its course like a virus, and there is not much we are collectively able to do to stop it (because we do not have the political will to do so). So be prepared for the coming chaos & anarchy, because it will come regardless of how we feel about it. Civilization always has a way of renewing itself after such periods, we need to be patient and strong to survive the process of this potential massive societal correction. Besides what other choice do we have? We all prefer that this does not happen the way it appears to be coming; but realistically you do not have much choice of when a storm will approach. Pray that I am wrong.

    joef:

    If ever you should be inclined to put these thoughts you have been sharing here into an article I have a blog that would be honored to publish it.

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