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[If you want to see why Congress is a zoo, check this. Guam is going to tip over.]

A few thoughts for Americans (justifiably) upset by the influx of illegal Mexicans:

First, they come because you invite them. In effect you say, “Diego, don’t you cross that river. If you do, and we catch you, we’ll just put you back across the border and you can try again, perhaps the same night. When you make it across, which is easy, we’ll give you a good job and, depending on where you are, a driver’s license, schools for your kids, welfare, food stamps, and medical care. Any children you have will be US citizens and, as we all know, sooner or later you will have amnesty Now, don’t cross that river, you hear?.”

That’ll work.

Second, they come because you guys changed the immigration laws. Mexico didn’t change your laws. The illegals didn’t change your laws. You did.

Third, you let them stay. You are not deporting them. You encouraged them to come and, when they did, you let them stay, and now you complain that they came and stayed. How sensible.

Fourth, you grouse that Latinos take American jobs. They do not. It is probable that no Latino has ever taken an American’s job. How would he do it? Point a pistol at the gringo’s head and say, “Give me that shovel or I’ll blow you into gruel”?

In fact conservative, noisily patriotic American businessmen give them American jobs. Businessmen know they are doing it. After all, Mexicans are easy to recognize. They are brownish and speak Spanish. These are the same conservative, patriotic etc. who off-whored (that was a typo, but accurate so I’ll leave it) other American jobs to China. They are the same ones who import programmers from India. My country tis of thee….

Fifth, Americans don’t want the jobs that Latinos do. If a young man from El Salvador can come all the way from Central America to harvest tobacco in North Carolina or work in restaurants in Washington, so could an unemployed “teen” from Detroit or Chicago. They don’t, which leaves the jobs to…yes!…Latinos.

Sixth, the federal government is complicit. Obama does all he can to further immigration. Mexicans didn’t elect Obama. You did.

The feds know where the illegals are: You can’t hide an entire agricultural work-force, or construction sites and meat-packing plants manned almost entirely by obvious foreigners. How many Mexicans do you think can go unnoticed in a small Midwestern town?

Do you think immigration a bad thing, mis amigos? You did it to yourselves . And you are still doing it.

Seventh, all the grrr-bow-wow-woof about a border fence is silly. It isn’t going to happen. Republicans will make appropriate noises, but the businessmen who desperately want Mexican labor are Republicans.

Eighth, methinks amnesty is a foregone conclusion. The current racially-obsessed administration may get it through soon, in bits and chunks perhaps. De facto amnesty is still amnesty. A Republican administration may block it for another eight years (while leaving the illegals in place to work). Yet the illegals are not going to go away, and Latino political power will grow.

Ninth, there will be serious bad blood between black and brown. It is beginning. Latinos already are more numerous than blacks, and become more so daily. The two compete in the same strata of society, and do not like each other. Blacks now have immense political power, but numbers eventually tell.

Further, Latinos seem well on the way to becoming absolute majorities in four states: California (sometimes referred to as North Mexico), Arizona, Texas, and the appropriately named New Mexico, . Think about that.

Tenth, there is grave danger that the newcomers will be corrupted by the American welfare state. Mexicans at least arrive with a strong work ethic. They take any job they can get and maybe a couple of others on the side. When have you seen fifteen members of any other ethnic group waiting outside a Seven-Eleven at five in the morning hoping for work?

But if they find that they can go on the dole and get things for free, they will. Nobody who doesn’t have to will shovel asphalt under a hot sun or stand in two inches of blood in a slaughterhouse ten hours a day. Would you? They seem to be beginning to demand things on grounds of historical mistreatment. Where have we heard this before? The economy probably cannot stand another large dependent class.

Eleventh, the absolutely crucial question is whether they will assimilate, or at least co-exist, or become another self-aware anti-white group. The intense hostility of nativist whites drives them toward confrontation.

How assimilable are Latinos? It is hard to tell. Much depends on the country of origin I think. I can speak with any degree of knowledge only of Mexicans.

They, the majority of the immigrants, are sort of half European genetically, for what that’s worth, Christian, and speak a European language. In Mexico itself, they maintain a mostly modern society functioning at perhaps seventy-five percent of the declining American norm. Call it sixty, or eighty if you will. How do you measure? But it is clearly, if certainly trailingly, in the European mold of technology, semi-democracy, and ascent into the middle class. Their intellectual tradition—for example, the works of such men as Octavio Paz, Carlos Fuentes, and Alejandro Colunga—are within the European framework, though with a Mexican flavor.

ORDER IT NOW

On the negative side, those going to the United States are mostly from the lower half of Mexican society. Though not evil people (crime is low in the villages) they are not ready for American society. While illiteracy is not as common as imagined by gringos, literacy in Mexico is not the same as literacy in Finland. And it is people with a fourth-grade education, not the middle class, who swim the river.

If you want a straightforward idea of how emigration to the US actually works, I suggest Crossing Over: A Mexican Family on the Migrant Trail by Ruben Martinez.

Twelfth, the numbers and concentrations of Mexicans in America are such that before long they will be able to tell Eurowhites to screw off, and form their own society in the Southwest. If that happens, so much for the Union. They know that in 1848 the US stole half of Mexico, specifically those states in which Mexicans are marching toward a majority. (Blowback, do we call it?) Americans, who typically have never heard of that invasion, can say, “Get over it.” Good luck. Young Mexican males, some anyway, are saying things like “We will be the majority. We will rule.”


Monument in Guadalajara to Los Niños Heroes, young cadets who died fighting the Americans in the Mexican-American War, in which America annexed the Southwest. There are at least hundreds of Niños Heroes Streets all over Mexico. This explains why Mexicans have little sympathy for complaints that they are illegally entering American territory. They don’t think it is American territory. Payback’s a bitch.

Having become a voting majority in the Southwest, they could choose, piecemeal or all at once, to ignore the central government. Then what? Do you send the Marines to conquer California?

All of this results from American policy. You buttered your bread, a curmudgeon might say. Now lie in it.

(Republished from Fred on Everything by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Borachio says:

    As always, Fred makes excellent points. However, he is a little unfair in assuming that the American people have any control over their national government. (It hasn’t been a “federal” government for a long time.)

    Politicians and their various bosses — the Wall Street sharks who bribe them, the spies who have blackmail material on them, and the military forces that must be kept busy on the other side of the Rubicon — dispense sound bites and PR campaigns to anesthetize the American people while they are reduced to serfdom, but that is the extent to which the people’s wishes are considered.

    The problem might correct itself. The U.S. government has become such an abominable international bully that other countries are certainly seeking to bring it down. In addition, importing tens of millions of barely-literate helots from around the world will gradually lower the average American IQ, reducing the smart fraction of the population so much that there might not be enough intelligent but amoral people to maintain the technological superstate. The U.S. collapse would be very unpleasant for most of us, but for the best in the long run.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
  2. I doubt Mexico would support breaking up the US, mainly because if the Southwest leaves the US, Northern Mexico would secede from La Republica Mexicana.

  3. White liberals and feminists are even more of a problem than illegal immigrants. Can we deport them?

    • Replies: @Borachio
  4. Borachio says:
    @Hare Krishna

    There are a few nice liberals, but I’m totally on board with the idea of deporting feminists.

    Send them to Islamic countries.

    Misogyny, patriarchy, and rape are feminists’ main complaints, so they should get a chance to see the real thing instead of just slogans and hoaxes as they do in the West.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
  5. Come on, Fred. First, Americans don’t control their government–presumably, that’s one of the reasons you left. (Though they have managed despite the entire elite and media organs arrayed against them to postpone yet another threat to their further displacement). Second, farmers hire Mexicans for the same reason Southern planters hired slaves: because more forward-thinking and higher-average-IQ Americans are not going to waste their time on backbreaking work that an advanced society mechanizes or offshores to some Third World shithole. The only reason such work is still available is the government allowing employers to import desperate coolies who will do it until their bodies give out around age 50 if not 40. Then they’ll just plop themselves down in the lobby of the Social Security Administration with their refrigerator-magnet-lawyer.

    Higher-g Mexicans, like Fred’s adoptive family, are gleefully unloading their dullards on us so Mexico doesn’t have to reform its corrupt, shortsighted political and economic structure. You’re welcome.

    This would require a multi-page article, but rest assured the history of the American Southwest is more complex than Fred’s step-daughter’s Mexican middle school-textbook. Again, if Meso-Americans were so wonderful and had such potential, Spanish and mixed higher-caste Mexicans like Fred’s family wouldn’t be unloading them on us.

  6. Jim says:

    Wow, the recording of Congressman Hank Johnson is beyond totally unbelievable! It is probably the most hilarious thing I have ever seen. Surely no such creature actually exists in the US Congress! I must be dreaming.

    I lived on Guan when I was a boy. Like the rest of the Marianas it is of volcanic origin, the tip of a massive undersea mountain going down something like 36,000 feet on it’s eastern flank. Mt. Everest will tip over long before Guam does.

  7. Jim says:

    The admiral in the video with Congress Hank Johnson played the straight man superbly. He deserves the highest medal and a Academy award for not rolling around on the floor laughing himself to death. I’ve seen Laurel and Hardy, Abbot and Costello, Groucho Marx, John Cleese etc. but none of them ever came anywhere close to this superb performance by Johnson and whoever that admiral was.

  8. Jim says:

    Mestizos in New Mexico lag behind Anglos even though they have been there for many generations. The psychometric data on Mestizos indicates an average IQ of about 90. That’s not stupid, in fact he average world IQ is probably below 90. However no population at that IQ level has created a first world economy.

  9. Oldeguy says:

    Typical Fred: brutally honest, unbiased, zippo hypocrisy, zippo PC. How the U.S. “handles” the massive Latino ( and Asian ) influx will determine how American society develops in the 21st Century. As is so often the case, it is a question of Private Sector profit driving the growth and persistence of a situation with the “externality” cost being shifted to the larger society. It is quite probably true that the Latinos are here because we need them to be here: a host of American industries and business firms are utterly dependent on their unskilled or semi-skilled labor. Is anyone really so naive as to believe that our White and Black Under Class would rush in to replace “self deporting” Latinos ? The question of whether these tens of millions of newcomers will follow the path of the Irish and Italians or follow the path of the Blacks is the key question of 21st Century America.

  10. I haven’t been reading a lot of Fred lately but the “you” instead of “we” seems a bit shocking. Has Fred renounced his US citizenship? Last I remember he was disgusted with the way of things here at home, and that he found the life of an expat in Mexico to actually offer more liberty. He still seemed to identify as a US citizen even if a disgusted one that took his ball to Mexico? What gives Fred, are you a grumpy old expat yet still one of us or have you made a different choice?

    We all know the truth of what he points out here. Neither party will take the side of “ourselves and our posterity”. So given that what? Just keep grumbling and toss a few of the endless tide of lackeys from both sides out? That seems pointless and bound to fail one of these times though Steve likes to point out how many it has worked. What was that that Jefferson said about the blood of tyrants? Is that what it takes to remind both there is a people that they do answer to? How many chamber of commerce crony capitalist and party hacks would be needed to fertilize a new bloom of liberty? We are lazy and indolent, yet perhaps the old stock is not completely dissipated.

  11. Bliss says:

    those going to the United States are mostly from the lower half of Mexican society.

    It is worth pointing out here that this was also the case for european immigration to the New World.

    It is also worth pointing out that Reagan, the beloved idol of rabidly nationalist Republican free-marketeers, was the Father of Amnesty…

    They know that in 1848 the US stole half of Mexico, specifically those states in which Mexicans are marching toward a majority……This explains why Mexicans have little sympathy for complaints that they are illegally entering American territory. They don’t think it is American territory. Payback’s a bitch.

    Plus the mexicans have mucho native-american/amerindian blood. The La Raza has an entirely different racial worldview to white race realists….

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
  12. @Oldeguy

    The question of whether these tens of millions of newcomers will follow the path of the Irish and Italians or follow the path of the Blacks is the key question of 21st Century America.

    And I’ll save you a lot of blubbering and handwringing and transfer payments and tell you: they won’t. And they won’t because they are hunter-gatherer stock. At best, they’ve got another 1,000 years before they’re baseline to Irish or Italians, except we’ve helpfully removed all the selection pressures that would drive them towards K-selection. Actually, they’ve been in the US for generations and are still just about where a 90 and below IQ group would be, where they’re not actively losing ground. They’ve been living in Spanish civilization for centuries and have barely budged.

    You really are an Olde Guy. You’re thinking about Great-uncle Tevye from the shtetl coming ashore at Ellis Island.

  13. @Oldeguy

    Typical Fred: brutally honest, unbiased, zippo hypocrisy, zippo PC. How the U.S. “handles” the massive Latino ( and Asian ) influx will determine how American society develops in the 21st Century.

    What’s with the Takimag pop culture crowd coming over hyar and polluting the pure gene pool of race realism on unz.com? Even good-natured, shallow-analysis “Bob” has shown up. Or, am I such an icon that y’all followed me here? (That’s a joke, Guy.)

    Back to the point, Guy, the USA is not going to “handle” the Latino/Asian influx. The tidal wave will overwhelm all components of the “melting pot” construct, and bring an effective end to the American Experiment, and to all implementation of an honest and principled constitutional democracy — whatever’s left of that.

    What’s required is a seizing of the oligarchy by the scruff of the neck, and giving it a good, hound-dog snake-killing shake. The economic strength of America was produced by the growth of a dynamic and expanding, albeit consumerist middle-class. That is being systematically snuffed-out, and America snuffed-out with it.

    We either institute (Now!) wide-swept, invigorating, anti-corruption legislation and enforcement, or we await the Reign of Terror.

  14. Dave37 says:

    Column good as usual except this “you” business, he must have meant yall, not me. I wonder if Mr. Reed has considered any changes in the border dynamics with the newest threat to America, ISIS, purportedly capable of slipping across the border with all sorts of nasty surprises for us. The gov’t has got to look like they are doing something on the border now, don’t they?

  15. Lot says:

    In fact conservative, noisily patriotic American businessmen give them American jobs. Businessmen know they are doing it.

    Businessmen who hire illegal immigrants are a tiny minority of Americans.

    Fifth, Americans don’t want the jobs that Latinos do.

    Go to the Midwest or New England, and you’ll see plenty of white hotel maids, construction laborers, and agricultural laborers.

  16. Lot says:

    The psychometric data on Mestizos indicates an average IQ of about 90.

    It is higher than that. Probably more like 93 or 94.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    , @syonredux
  17. @Bliss

    Fred kind of glosses over that whole conquistador part and the fact that Southern European and Meso-American phenotypes persist after 400 years together.

  18. Laz says:

    Come to Texas and see for yourself all the Hispanics working the trades for decent wages. Then try to tell us that we don’t want those jobs.

  19. @Borachio

    The Middle East and North Africa still need feminism. America does not.

    In any case, American history shows that blacks are pretty much in a category by themselves.

  20. @Oldeguy

    We could handle them fine and assimilate them fine – if not for PC.

    This suggests that the problem is cultural Marxism and PC (which radical feminism is part of) and not immigration.

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    , @pyrrhus
  21. @Hare Krishna

    Assimilation means out-marriage.

    Not enough white guys are willing to marry as far down as Jeb Bush or Warren Wilhelm.

  22. pyrrhus says:
    @Borachio

    Yes, as the old Lone Ranger and Tonto joke goes, “what do you mean ‘we’, White Man?” The people of the US had nothing to do with these policies…try the cheap labor billionaires and their friends.

    Historical note to Fred: the Mexican Senate, at the behest of Santa Anna, secretly declared war on the United States before we did the same to them.

    • Replies: @Borachio
  23. pyrrhus says:
    @Lot

    Pisa tests etc indicate average Mexican IQ is below 90. But the average IQ of the poor villagers etc coming across our borders is low 80s, many being illiterate in Spanish as well as English.

  24. pyrrhus says:
    @Hare Krishna

    Pure fantasy. These groups have shown that they do NOT assimilate, and, in any event, modern societies have absolutely no need for excess manual laborers.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
  25. You do realize we have an anti-assimilation culture? PC views assimilation as “racist” and “xenophobic”, and views trying to make third and fourth worlders obey first world norms as impossible.

    In reality it is PC which is an affront to our society.

    Funny how the left and the HBD crowd have a lot in common.

  26. @pyrrhus

    Our PC and feminist ridden society is officially anti-assimilationist, which is why assimilation is not occurring.

  27. I don’t know about tobacco jobs in North Carolina, but in my part of Kentucky, those farm jobs used to be held by whites in their teens and early twenties. But hey, the farmer figured out he could buy a new truck every year instead of every other year if he hired the brown invaders at a lower wage than the white boys would work for. Plus the peons are happy to work six days a week. Pull in a few campers, drive the peons to Wal Mart on Sunday morning for their tortillas and the farmer can have his own captive work force.

  28. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Fifth, Americans don’t want the jobs that Latinos do. blah blahblah

    Fred, you’re smarter than this. Americans don’t want the jobs AT THE WAGES BEING OFFERED.

    • Replies: @Borachio
  29. Borachio says:
    @anonymous

    Fred is smarter than that. Note where he lives.

  30. Borachio says:
    @pyrrhus

    In fact, that joke is a little unfair to Tonto. “Kemosabe” means “faithful friend,” and though definitely a sidekick, Tonto was a fairly admirable character.

  31. KenH says:

    Sometimes I wonder if Fred’s head scratching commentary regarding relations between Mexicans and white Americans and Mexico and America is due to senility or demagoguery because the facts and true history are the polar opposite of what he writes in this column. Whites and some blacks worked the jobs “that Americans won’t do” for decades, but greedy and opportunistic business owners realized they could exploit poor, illegal mestizos by paying them less and offering fewer, if any, benefits.

    Meat packing paid around $18-$19 per hour in the early to mid 80’s, but once illegal aliens were being recruited and started filling those jobs the pay plummeted to $8-$9 per hour. In the early 2000’s, a Denver newspaper ran an article documenting how illegal aliens drove native born Americans out of the construction industry in the Denver area by accepting $8.00 per hour instead of the $15-$18 being commanded by Americans. These trends have destroyed many small, Normal Rockwell like communities that are now wracked by poverty, drugs and crime.

    The American people aren’t asking illegal aliens to come here either or sending mixed signals. That credit goes to our government officials, judges and members of the media and the treasonous billionaires and political, business and racial special interest groups that control or influence all these groups. Americans have consistently voted to disenfranchise illegal aliens only to have their will struck down by left wing federal judges time and again and supported deportation and border security measures only to be ignored by the federal government year after year after year.

    And if Freddy would read a little history he might learn that the U.S. paid Mexico 15 million dollars for the Southwest, an enormous sum at that time, when we could have just taken it after we kicked their behinds in the war. That and the Gadsen purchase legally transferred the Southwest into American hands so claims by Mexico and Mexicans that we “stole” it is false and typical of the jingoism, hurbis and revanchism I’ve come to expect from the Mexican people and the people who love them. Like Fred Reed.

    • Replies: @Otis McWrong
  32. I tell people that Fred Reed is one of America’s greatest writers. But it seems too much time in Mexico and a long time since he worked any labor has confused him. Perhaps easy life on the dole of the US Government via Social Security and VA payments has made him hate American workers, for being lazy, while he collects his monthly welfare check. (Sorry Fred, but you asked for that one) America didn’t change its laws, corporate American puppet Presidents choose not to enforce them.

    Americans don’t want to do 99% of the work in the USA, which is why we love holidays. But when offered a decent wage we work. The problems is that wages have fallen as the nation is flooded by cheap illegal labor, and nothing is done even when E-Verify can be used to instantly end the problem. The US Chamber of Commence openly supports open borders and uses them to break unions, like meat packers. Do you think anyone would work in auto factory for $9 a hour? Just break the UAW then announce Americans are lazy.

    And the history BS is wrong. None of these illegals families were deported from what is now the USA, they come from far away. Latinos who ended up on the side of the Rio Grand are thankful to the USA. Mexico was left over when Spain was defeated, and included Latin America. Do Mexicans have the right to flood Costa Rica? We kicked the French out, so can Frenchmen move here too? Do the 7 billion people on Earth have a right to move to the USA? If Generalissmo Obama declares open borders expect another 20 million within a year. Are all Americans responsible for things that happened before they were born?

    Another Amnesty (aka reform) is opposed by a great majority of Americans, both Democratic and Republican, which is why Congress refuses to act, and why Obama recently backed down.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  33. Sorry to clog up comments, but this is the most important issue in the USA today, and something corporate America and their puppet presidents have been focused on for years. From my blog:

    Mar 14, 2014 – Counterpoints by a Freethinker

    You have read corporate news that President Obama is under pressure to halt all deportations of illegal aliens because the numbers are large. What is not reported is that he only deports criminal aliens convicted of serious crimes, and that amounts to hundreds of thousands, which do not include crimes such as illegal entry or identify theft.

    After reading an article of interest, I like to read comments for more insight. Someone called “Freethinker” offered a great commentary on yahoo after a corporate propaganda article supporting another amnesty:

    “LISTED BELOW are several of the arguments that have been used by misguided people to try and justify illegal immigration. Next to each is the reason ‘why’ each argument has no true merit:

    1) “Illegal Aliens are an economic necessity” – Not true. The idea that a bunch of desperately impoverished, uneducated, unskilled, non-English speaking foreigners are an economic necessity is ludicrous. In fact, when you compare cost vs. benefit, they are huge liability, and we have suffered the consequences of them being here.

    2) “Illegal Aliens do work Americans won’t do” – Not true. They do work Americans won’t do for $7 an hour (especially if lazy Americans can collect welfare and unemployment instead). The people who want the work done will have to pay a wage that is fair and attractive enough to get legal Americans to do the work. And it might even be enough to get legal Americans off the unemployment and welfare dole and back into the taxpaying workforce!

    3) “America benefits from all that “cheap” labor” – This is nonsense. The only people who benefit from the cheap labor are the unscrupulous people who hire illegal immigrants. Taxpayers are left holding the bag by increased support via taxpayer-funded entitlements that immigrants disproportionately use and rely on.

    4) “Illegal Aliens are just trying to have a better quality of life” – Aren’t we all? The difference is that most of us understand that we DO NOT have a right to acquire by illegal means those things that we find difficult to acquire by legal means. And we certainly don’t have the right to do it in a foreign country.

    5) “It is impossible to round up and deport the illegal aliens” – We don’t have to. All we have to do is remove the incentives that brought them here in the first place. No jobs, housing, or taxpayer- financed services or benefits (including education) and they will leave on their own (self-deport), or not even come illegally in the first place.

    6) “Immigration control is racist / xenophobic” – This is just another play of the race card by people who have no other cards to play. Immigration control is the world-wide status quo. There is nothing racist about it. Furthermore, the USA welcomes LEGAL immigrants of all races and ethnicities from all over the world who OBEY our immigration laws and have gone through the legal immigration process the correct way. This is not just a bad argument; it is an attempt to create racial hatred and division.

    7) “We are a nation of immigrants” – This is the “BIG LIE”. The vast majority of Americans are native-born. I am not an immigrant, nor were my parents. My grandparents were immigrants from Italy but they followed the legal process and our immigration laws. We are a nation that has, historically, allowed and even encouraged LEGAL immigration. And we continue to do so. The issue at hand is illegal immigration, which has nothing to do with legal immigration.

    8) “Illegal Aliens are people. We must treat them humanely” – Yes & yes. But let’s not pretend like they are victims who were dragged here kicking and screaming against their will. Nothing could be further from the truth. They came of their own free will, knowing they were breaking the law (with consequences if caught). PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE REWARDED FOR BREAKING LAWS AND COMMITTING CRIMES. SENDING THEM HOME IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. There is nothing “draconian” or “mean-spirited” about it.

    9) “It is wrong to break up Illegal Alien families” – Yes. Unfortunately, families are often broken up by criminal activity. If you don’t believe it, just drop by any prison or jail on visiting day. We can’t keep families together if some family members choose to participate in criminal activity. And again, this is one of the consequences of breaking our immigration laws.

    10) “Illegal Aliens work & contribute to our society” – So do I. And if I break the law and commit crimes, I can expect to pay some type of a penalty if caught, anything from a small fine to the death penalty. Citizens here do not receive a reward for breaking the law; they’re punished. WHY SHOULD WE TREAT FOREIGN CRIMINALS BETTER THAN OUR OWN CITIZENS?”

    _____________________________________

    Let me add that the U.S. government does not break up families of illegals. Some family members obtain legal status and help others enter the illegally. In other cases, they cross illegally and use American hospitals to give birth, so a child is legal, and if arrested, they threaten to abandon their child in the USA. Families are only broken up when some members choose to remain in the USA.

    When you read that arrested illegals are detained in deplorable prison conditions, I can only say “Welcome to America.” That is how arrested U.S. citizens are treated too. Moreover, the illegal aliens remain voluntarily by challenging their arrest, otherwise they are sent home immediately. They know that in most cases, a judge will release them without bail if they promise to return for their hearing, and once freed they never show up for deportation, aka “catch and release.” I wrote about a solution to this mess 14 years ago: Homeland Insecurity.

  34. Sean says:

    Well, that’s it for me. I won’t be visiting Fred’s site anymore. He is very out of touch with reality and seems to have a scathing view on the American worker.
    Too many margaritas in the hot Mexican sun (courtesy of the American worker, I might add).

  35. It’s over. The Mestizos are going to be in charge. All the debates about this and that that Americans have don’t matter anymore. Because the Mestizos, La Raza, are the future rulers of the USA.

  36. And if Freddy would read a little history he might learn that the U.S. paid Mexico 15 million dollars for the Southwest, an enormous sum at that time, when we could have just taken it after we kicked their behinds in the war.

    I’d cut Fred some slack on this one. I doubt that more than a handful of people alive today know that the US paid Mexico anything for the land acquired after the Mexican War. I didn’t know it, and I took American history around the same time Fred did.

    • Replies: @Sean
  37. M_Young says:

    A little panocha will drive a man insane. Fred’s been on this ‘telling it like it is’, gringo viejo y loco tear for the better part of a decade.” It’s a common affliction for a late middle aged man to take on the viewpoint of his younger wife.

  38. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    First, they come because you invite them.

    Yeah! It’s not my fault for shoplifting. It’s their fault for having such nice stuff!

  39. syonredux says:

    Have the lower classes been at it again, breeding like rabbits, to the detriment of the gene pool? Have the upper classes, far from defending their own fold, been inviting in hordes of lower class foreigners, to breed like even more fecund rabbits, thus lowering the gene pool even further, and in the process undercutting the wages of their local proletariat, to the benefit of the rentier class? According to Irwin Kirsch, Henry Braun, and Kentaro Yamamoto, and Andrew Sum something of that sort may be happening in the USA, that Western outpost of Europe set up by English non-conformists and free thinkers. The authors have written a policy report for the Education Testing Service with the uplifting title America’s Perfect Storm: Three Forces Changing Our Nation’s Future.

    https://www.ets.org/Media/Education_Topics/pdf/AmericasPerfectStorm.pdf

    The three forces they identify are: race gaps in educational achievement; the high premium paid to the well-educated; and immigration.

    The policy paper is well written, clear, and cautious in what it says, despite the dramatic title. Their language is absolutely nothing like my introduction to their paper, because in line with contemporary sensibilities it is written in a vacuum as regards intelligence and educability. For example, they describe the three threats as: divergent skill distributions, the changing economy, and demographic trends. However, when you look at their data they are talking about intelligence and racial differences, the premium on intelligence, and the inflow of Mexicans to the USA. Stripped of circumlocution, they are perturbed by African Americans and Mexicans who are going to create problems which are difficult to solve by conventional means. Nonetheless, they say the accepted right things, which is that steps must be taken to make the convoy of different ability tribes stick together. Far from being a total melting pot, Americans tend to spread out a bit, putting some distance between disparate groups, something the wide expanse of the continent facilitates.

    Here are the author’s words, drawn from different sections of their report:

    Given our country’s growing demographic diversity, [we could] imagine our nation as a convoy. Some of the boats are large, well built, and able to ride out the heaviest of seas. Others are somewhat smaller, less well-equipped, but still quite sturdy. But many are fragile, meagerly equipped, and easily swamped in rough waters. That convoy — the individuals, families and communities that make up our nation — is in the midst of a “perfect storm,” the result of the confluence of three powerful sets of forces: divergent skill distributions, a changing economy, and demographic trends.

    Data from the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) reveal that between 1984 and 2004 reading scores among 13- and 17-year-olds remained flat, and the achievement gaps were large and relatively stable. For mathematics the story is only slightly different. While the mean scores for both the nation’s 13- and 17-year-olds improved slightly, they did so across all groups, with the result that the average size of the Black-White and Hispanic-White achievement gaps remained large and relatively stable.

    Comment: Heiner Rindermann and I had a look at these scores, and found that although scores did improve in the early 80s (for no very clear reason) the differences between Hispanics/African Americas and Whites/Asians remains large.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3c4TxciNeJZTVQ0LWpnem1Nc3M/edit?usp=sharing

    National surveys of our adult population indicate that large numbers of our nation’s adults, 16 years of age and older, do not demonstrate sufficient literacy and numeracy skills needed to fully participate in an increasingly competitive work environment. These skills are also needed to function effectively in our complex society, with its large bureaucratic institutions and its complex legal, health care, and retirement systems.

    • More importantly, these skills are not evenly distributed across groups defined by race/ethnicity, country of birth, and socioeconomic status. In fact, there are substantial differences in average proficiencies among these groups that influence their social, educational, and economic opportunities.

    • International surveys of student and adult populations indicate that while our average performance is no better than mediocre, our degree of inequality (the gap between our best and least proficient) is among the highest in OECD countries.

    The second force comprises the seismic changes in our economy that have resulted in new sources of wealth, novel patterns of international trade, and a shift in the balance between capital and labor. These changes have been driven by both technological innovation and globalization, resulting in a profound restructuring of the U.S. workplace. Indeed, the labor markets of today are markedly different from those of earlier decades. For example:

    • In 1950, manufacturing’s share of total employment in the United States was 33.1 percent. By 1989, it was down to 18.2 percent and, by 2003, it was 10.7 percent.

    • Between 1984 and 2000 the number of employed persons 16 years of age and older grew by 29 percent, or some 30 million. At the same time, employment in jobs associated with college-level education grew by some 20 million, accounting for two-thirds of the job growth.

    • The country’s employment growth is expected to continue through the rest of this decade and into the next, with college labor market clusters (professional, management, technical, and high level sales) expected to generate about 46 percent of all job growth between 2004 and 2014.

    Fuelled both by higher birth rates and by immigration, the Hispanic share of the population is expected to grow from 14 percent in 2005 to slightly more than 20 percent by 2030.

    In 2004, nearly 57 percent of the 16- to 64-year-old Hispanic population in the United States was foreign-born, up from 46 percent in 1990. More than half of these immigrant Hispanics lacked a high school diploma.

    • The lack of a high school diploma by such a large proportion of Hispanic immigrants is of concern given the fact that almost 80 percent of immigrants who have not earned a high school diploma report not speaking English well or at all.

    Comment: Mexicans are unlikely to bound ahead scholastically if the last 6 generations are any guide to the future. Greg Cochran has an interesting post on this, with a long term sample which at least measures college level qualifications. This is in line with other findings on Hispanic progress.

    http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/12/31/generations-of-exclusion/

    The authors show the result for “literacy”, for which the better description would probably be everyday intellectual ability. Levels 4 and 5 have been merged because of their rarity, but the white figures trace the familiar bell curve even on four categories.

    Those in the 4/5 high ability level: White 17%, Asian 9%, Black 3%, Hispanic 3% give you a relative indication of what proportion of each race will flourish in the global economy. If you want to be gloomy, look at those in the low 1 and 2 categories, which are those who will flounder in any modern economy: Hispanic 82%, Black 77%, Asians 61%. (Asian scores seem a bit low in this survey).

    Having shown these results, the authors then forget about them, and in Tables 1 and 2 talk about the relatively low standing of the US compared with other nations on the PISA scores. This is all very well at the national level. However, the racial breakdown of those scores shows that White kids are doing pretty well: the national scores are dragged down by Blacks and Hispanics.

    The authors then project what the figures might be like in 2030 if current trends continue. That is a big “if”, but illustrative nonetheless.

    There will be significant losses of ability at the higher levels. The US will become dumber.

    Figure 5 shows the figures for out of wedlock births, often seen as a proxy for absent fathers. The economist Thomas Sowell point out that these figures were much lower for Black families decades ago. However, the current picture is unlikely to boost scholastic

    I am in sympathy with the points that the authors have made, and agree that they are raising important issues. I also think that this paper has been written in hostage language. The captive is led before the cameras and with unconvincing passions sings the praises of his captors, praises their humane treatment, heaps criticism on unrelated parties, usually focussing on his home government, and then get decapitated. He cannot talk straight because he fears, quite rightly, the horrors which threaten him.

    These authors know full well that the educational system is not going to be able to pull a rabbit out of a hat. That hope was a bit of a stretch even in the early 70s when funding for compensatory education increased significantly. The 80’s showed some improvements, for unclear reasons, but after that very little gains were made. It seems that such low hanging fruit as was available has been picked already. Education cannot compensate for differences in ability. Rather as a hostage blinks out the Morse code message “Help Me” the authors are begging for change (and I think they don’t mean cunning new ways of getting rap artists to teach English Literature).

    Unless we are willing to make substantial changes, the next generation of Americans, on average, will be less literate and have a harder time sustaining existing standards of living.

    These are stirring words, but the authors do not spell out the substantial changes which would be required. These might include screening would-be immigrants for educational achievements and intellectual abilities. They might include giving up racially-based compensatory education policies and putting those funds into the general education budget, with the stipulation that the amount of public money spent on each child should be roughly the same. They might include strengthening the examination systems to ensure absolute rigour, and entry to college based on common, exam-based criteria. Perhaps some of you can provide some more detailed policy suggestions.

    http://drjamesthompson.blogspot.com/

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  40. syonredux says:

    Via Cochran:

    GENERATIONS OF EXCLUSION

    Is a book by two UCLA sociologists, Vila Ortiz and Edward E Telles, published in 2008. It originated in a fair-sized data set (1576 people) collected in 1965, which was rediscovered in 1992. The original respondents and their adult children were interviewed. It shows quite clearly that although second-generation Mexican-Americans averaged more education and higher SES than the first generation, presumably because they knew English, there was no further improvement in the third and fourth generations. The gap remained substantial: the fourth generation had a college completion rate of 6%, compared to a rate of 35% for whites of that same era.

    Which is pretty much what you see in New Mexico too, except that here we’re often talking about the fifth, sixth, and seventh generation living in the US

    I don’t see much sign that the story is greatly different in Central and South America. Mestizos – whose ancestry is part Amerindian and part European (usually Spanish), make up most of the population in those countries. Their PISA scores are low – lower than those of Hispanics in the US. Performance in science and technology is more important than test performance – but Latin America’s low performance is consistent with their low test scores. This showed up in my Zones of Thought map.

    Isn’t there reason to believe that this is all going to change radically for the better in the near future, powered by the strongest force in the Universe, wishful thinking? Nope.

    Nobody knows how to substantially change this picture. Yet.

    http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/12/31/generations-of-exclusion/

  41. syonredux says:
    @Lot

    It is higher than that. Probably more like 93 or 94.

    Which would still have a deleterious impact on the USA:

    About 2% of a population with an average IQ of 100 scores above IQ above 130, about 0.1% above 145. For a population with an average of 85, only 0.1% will score above 130 – 20 times fewer. I am, for the moment, disregarding fat tails and some actual population differences in the standard deviation. The same thing is happening with the Ashkenazi Jews: a modest shift in mean (about 0.8 standard deviation above the European average) causes a big change in the fraction that exceeds a high threshold.

    http://westhunt.wordpress.com/2012/03/28/zones-of-thought/

  42. Caesar says:

    I agree with earlier comments that Fred is partly right, but the average person walking down the street didn’t invite them here and doesn’t approve of having millions let in as nearly every opinion poll has showed if a referendum was held each time immigration was brought up a much smaller percentage of people would have been allowed each year.

    I think something that the average person and politicians also underestimated was just how many millions of third immigrants would come does anyone really think that in 1965 anyone had any idea what would happen?

    Lastly another reason many people don’t care is many wealthy americans still simply don’t interact with many mexicans (or blacks for that matter) and still don’t think its a big deal. I base this off of the fact I live in a very mixed state (New Jersey) while my immediate family has lived in a very well off area of the North Jersey suburbs that still to this day has the same demographics as 1970 (granted these types of towns aren’t as numerous as 20 years ago).

  43. Hacienda says:

    LOL, Fred. You’re old and tired. Living off the cleverness of your Anglo? genetics.

    Mexicans are fine, Asians and Mexicans get along great. That will save California. Whites
    are too pushy, foist their ridiculous Euclidean tastes on everyone else. Above all whites
    are VANISHING, not just in America, globally. It’s time for a fresh start.

  44. Sean says:
    @Rex Little

    I wonder if Fred will retract this false information. It seems to be the basis of his argument.

    • Replies: @Rex Little
  45. @KenH

    KenH says: “Sometimes I wonder if Fred’s head scratching commentary regarding relations between Mexicans and white Americans and Mexico and America is due to senility or demagoguery because the facts and true history are the polar opposite of what he writes in this column. Whites and some blacks worked the jobs “that Americans won’t do” for decades, but greedy and opportunistic business owners realized they could exploit poor, illegal mestizos by paying them less and offering fewer, if any, benefits. ”

    A small point to quibble over perhaps, but they’re not “exploiting” the mestizos. Judging by the hardships they endure to get those jobs, these mestizos are anything but “exploited”.

    The business owners are exploiting the Americans they’re hiring the mestizos to replace. These are the Americans that don’t want to live 3-4 families per house and don’t want to share one or two mid-90’s Toyota Corollas amongst those 3-4 families. In other words, what used to be the working class. Mass immigration – whether the fault of the business owners (that own the Republicans) or the mestizos themselves or whoever – will inevitably lead to exorbitant levels of income disparity (which the Dems will ceaselessly whine about).

    However not to worry, those working classes and the middle class still get to pick up the tab for all the social costs associated with the mestizos.

    • Replies: @KenH
  46. Ron Unz says:
    @syonredux

    I realize that the obsessive anti-immigrationists who hang around here feel an enormous need to buttress their ideological views, but it really isn’t a good idea to have a comment-thread dominated by long, republished excerpts. Presumably, this is the reason that VDare and some other anti-immigrationist websites don’t allow any comments.

    In the future, I think a couple of sentences and a link would be a much better idea. Or since the Internet is so large, you might just want to consider establishing your own personal blogsite.

  47. Art M says:

    I have an Hispanic daughter-in-law whom I adore. She says that she sees me as an “old hippie Gringo”, to which I admit I am. As for the “old” part, yes, but the alternative is unacceptable. As for the “hippie” part, I love to remind her, “Yeah, too bad we were right!”, but I don’t think she understands. As far as the “Gringo” part, yeah, again guilty as charged; however, after explaining that my Gringoness was genetic and not my fault, I asked her, innocently of course, “Which genome in the Mexican DNA requires this race-wide chip on the shoulder?” My answer quickly devolved into a Ricky Ricardo semi-Spanish rant, the gist of which was something about the theft of the land on which we were standing. Since the land on which we argued was Bryan, Brazos County, Texas, I, again, innocently, asked her just when EXACTLY did the US “steal” Texas? From what I recall from history, Texas had been a nation, completely separate and whole. It had it’s own government, it’s own infrastructure, it’s own Constitution, even it’s own President from 1836 to 1846. In 1846, the Texas citizens (known as Texicans) decided to join the U S of A. Texas had the choice to return to Mexico or to just continue on as they were, but they chose the union. And the choice was not cheap. Because the yankee mindset was just as bonkers then as it is now, Texas was required to forfeit about 40% of their land mass in order to join. This was to keep “parity” among the slave and free states. Now, buried within the agreement between the US and the Republic of Texas was a small caveat that allowed the soon-to-be state of Texas to withdraw from the union if it ever felt like doing so anytime in the future and take the whole of the original Texas land mass with them. As far as I can find out, that caveat is still on the books. I have heard rumors that a NE state (Vermont, New Hampshire??) has a similar “out” on their books as well.

    Across Alamo Street in San Antonio, right in front of the Alamo itself, is a statue commemorating the Battle of the Alamo, and on that statue is listed the name of every man who fought for Texas at that battle. What is most striking about those names is that the ratio of Spanish surnames to European (excluding Spain, go figure) surnames is about 50-50. That makes sense, as the revolution was between an indigenous population and it’s descended-from-Europeans (Spain included – go figure) tyrannical government. Now, assuming that the surname ratio of Alamo fighters would be the same across the whole Texan army, as well as Texas itself, this would indicate that the demographics of the Republic of Texas was 50% Hispanic. Again, Texas had the choice to join the US or not. There was no threat of war or economic sanctions or any other form of duress that might have swayed the Texicans; instead, the choice was made freely and as democratically as possible.

    So, again, when did the US “steal” Texas?

  48. iSteveFan says:

    Plus the mexicans have mucho native-american/amerindian blood

    Irrelevant. The mucho native blood they have is from tribes who never inhabited what is now present day USA. Those natives who did inhabit the USA are called Apaches, Navajo, Sioux, etc. and they are already here.

    If Mexicans with native blood wish to take back their ancestral homelands from the whites, they need to focus on the domestic front. The whites in Mexico are the ones who have stolen their land, not the whites in the USA. The whites in Mexico are the ones involved in the current ethnic cleansing of these poor souls, not the whites in the USA. I’d have more respect for the mestizos, and might even donate financially to their cause, if they went medieval on their own whites.

    It is also worth pointing out that Reagan, the beloved idol of rabidly nationalist Republican free-marketeers, was the Father of Amnesty…

    And what is that supposed to mean? That since Reagan granted one amnesty in 1986, that we can never again oppose amnesty? That would be like saying since blacks sold their fellow blacks into slavery, modern day blacks cannot complain about…..

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @The Anti-Gnostic
  49. @Sean

    I wonder if Fred will retract this false information. It seems to be the basis of his argument.

    The false information isn’t the basis of Fred’s argument. The fact that nearly all Mexicans believe it to be true, is.

  50. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    No, Fred explicitly states the that the South West was annexed. This is false information he used to support his argument. What begins in error ends in error.

  51. syonredux says:

    Ninth, there will be serious bad blood between black and brown. It is beginning. Latinos already are more numerous than blacks, and become more so daily. The two compete in the same strata of society, and do not like each other. Blacks now have immense political power, but numbers eventually tell.

    I don’t know, Fred. It seems to me that they will always have evil White Anglos to hate….

    They, the majority of the immigrants, are sort of half European genetically, for what that’s worth,

    Not much, Fred.

    Christian,

    Mestizo Christianity, Fred. A veneer covering Amerind paganism.

    and speak a European language.

    Many of them, especially the ones from Central America (Yes, I know that we are supposed to be discussing Mexicans), speak Spanish quite poorly Fred….

    In Mexico itself, they maintain a mostly modern society functioning at perhaps seventy-five percent of the declining American norm. Call it sixty, or eighty if you will. How do you measure?

    The parts that are sending us all the immigrants seem to be functioning more around the 60% level, Fred, if that.

    But it is clearly, if certainly trailingly, in the European mold of technology, semi-democracy, and ascent into the middle class.

    Can’t say that I’m too pleased to see such a retrograde population retarding American progress, Fred.

    Their intellectual tradition—for example, the works of such men as Octavio Paz, Carlos Fuentes, and Alejandro Colunga—are within the European framework, though with a Mexican flavor.

    That “Mexican flavor” seems rather important Fred.It signals mediocrity.

    I realize that the obsessive anti-immigrationists who hang around here feel an enormous need to buttress their ideological views, but it really isn’t a good idea to have a comment-thread dominated by long, republished excerpts.

    “[O]bsessive,” eh? I prefer to think of myself as patriotic, Ron. I know that you are perfectly OK with the USA receiving tens of millions of Latin American immigrants, but I am not. I love my country too much to want to see it fall into the abyss.

  52. It seems to me that they will always have evil White Anglos to hate….

    This may or may not be relevant to society at large, but. . .

    My (white) stepson has spent time in jail, where whites, blacks and Mexicans rigidly segregate themselves from each other. He reports that when there’s an all-out brawl, the whites and Mexicans band together against the blacks.

    • Replies: @syonredux
    , @Hare Krishna
  53. syonredux says:
    @Rex Little

    This may or may not be relevant to society at large, but. . .

    My (white) stepson has spent time in jail, where whites, blacks and Mexicans rigidly segregate themselves from each other. He reports that when there’s an all-out brawl, the whites and Mexicans band together against the blacks.

    Probably not relevant. Blacks are over-represented in jails and prisons. Hence, the power dynamic is quite different from what exists in the outside world.

  54. KenH says:
    @Otis McWrong

    I agree and probably used “exploited” a little too loosely. The illegal mestizos are willingly putting themselves in these situations by coming here (illegally) and they aren’t really being exploited when $8-$9 an hour is more than the $5.00 per day they might fetch in beloved Mexico with no job security and no health benefits. Here, they can just show up an at emergency room or use fraudulent identification documents to apply for Medicaid.

    The real losers are the white and middle working class folks. But they are being displaced and dispossessed at such a frightening pace that they can no longer afford to pick up the tab for illegal aliens, er, undocumented sweethearts. They can now barely support their own families in the “new” economy.

  55. @Rex Little

    That seems to be the overall pattern in society as well.

    For all the sniping about “illegals”, most whites nowadays have a much greater dislike for blacks than for Latinos. Indeed, white and brown have a common interest here.

  56. I don’t get the whole “Latino” term. It’s inaccurate since Latin means Mediterranean (e.g. Spain, Italy, Greece, Romania) and these illegal aliens are from Central-South America (which has part-Amerindian heritage). The most realistic term would be Central American, in particular the word “Mestizo”, since they’re mixed with Amerindian.

    On the other hand, Spanish-speakers with predominant white ancestry tend to be Uruguayan or Argentinian for example.

  57. Blacks are over-represented in jails and prisons. Hence, the power dynamic is quite different from what exists in the outside world.

    In my stepson’s jail, blacks were still the smallest group in absolute numbers (though of course less of a minority than in the outside world). So I don’t think the power dynamic is that different, at least where blacks are concerned.

    (Mexicans were the largest group–the jail is located about 60 miles east of Los Angeles–followed by whites.)

    • Replies: @syonredux
  58. Fred explicitly states the that the South West was annexed. This is false information he used to support his argument.

    Fred’s statement is “They know that in 1848 the US stole half of Mexico” (emphasis mine). “They know”, in this context, means “they strongly believe.” It doesn’t matter whether their belief is in fact false.

    (And is it false, really? If you take something from someone and pay him an amount that is less than what he would willingly have sold it for, is that not theft?)

    • Replies: @Sean
  59. Bliss says:
    @iSteveFan

    Irrelevant. The mucho native blood they have is from tribes who never inhabited what is now present day USA. Those natives who did inhabit the USA are called Apaches, Navajo, Sioux, etc. and they are already here.

    It is relevant because they can find the same racial commonality with Apaches, Navajos, Sioux amerindians as the sicilians, slavs, scandinavians etc in America find with the anglos who have take the ancestral lands of these, and other, tribes.

    And what is that supposed to mean? That since Reagan granted one amnesty in 1986, that we can never again oppose amnesty?

    It is meant to be a reality check for the all the whiners who endlessly blame “libtards” for the problem.

    I’d have more respect for the mestizos, and might even donate financially to their cause, if they went medieval on their own whites.

    Yes, I agree. It is hard to respect the mestizos when they themselves look down on the pure blooded amerindians of southern mexico and central america.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  60. @iSteveFan

    The whites in Mexico are the ones involved in the current ethnic cleansing of these poor souls, not the whites in the USA. I’d have more respect for the mestizos, and might even donate financially to their cause, if they went medieval on their own whites.

    Central American immigration is the Mariel boatlift writ large. Fred and his family don’t like having so many Aztecs around, same as we don’t.

  61. @Ron Unz

    This is an odd statement, Ron. You’re the one who invited Sailer over, and he’s the one who brings the traffic.

  62. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    A few years ago UNAM (the national University in México City) did a National survey, 80 % of Mexicans would move North if the border was open….and then on one of the many independence days they all get drunk and scream “Viva México.” I don’t get it…..why leave if its so great at home? I spent 15 years working and living in México, and another 15 travelling and vacationing in México. Now retired, I live in Panamá! You don’t think Mexicans can take back a portion of the USA….look at the Crimea! Charles Darwin was a genius. !

  63. Sean says:
    @Rex Little

    Wrong again, Rex. Look at the text beneath the picture of the statue.

    “Monument in Guadalajara to Los Niños Heroes, young cadets who died fighting the Americans in the Mexican-American War, in which America annexed the Southwest.”

    Fred falsely claims that the South West was “annexed”.

  64. Sunbeam says:
    @Ron Unz

    “I realize that the obsessive anti-immigrationists who hang around here feel an enormous need to buttress their ideological views,”

    I came here because Steve Sailer puts out his posts here.

    Kind of an interesting site, but what exactly are you trying to do here? You have Juan Cole, Pat Buchanan on the same site. I’ve seen Cockburn posts here.

    I’m kind of at a loss as to the ideology of this site, if indeed it has any.

    But since it is your site, please inform me of any more important issue than the immigration one that we face? The other issues of the day, all these foreign interventions, are going to go away on their own in my opinion. I could write lots about it, but the US sucks at being an imperial power. We really suck at it, I think we have done the lousiest job of the past millenia at it, and will have the shortest period of that. But what will make it go away is that we can’t afford to do this any longer.

    So if I have this conviction, what is more important than immigration? The consequences of that will go on for generations, and the impacts will grow greater the longer we have the current state of affairs.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
  65. iSteveFan says:

    It is relevant because they can find the same racial commonality with Apaches, Navajos, Sioux amerindians as the sicilians, slavs, scandinavians etc in America find with the anglos who have take the ancestral lands of these, and other, tribes.

    It is not relevant because the Mexicans with native blood are already on their native land. Well they don’t own their native land, but that is why I think they should direct their energies at the white Mexicans to rectify that issue. But the point is the lands in the present day USA are not their historical homeland. Had their ancestors ventured north centuries ago, they would have been opposed by the Apaches and other natives who in fact did inhabit that land.

    Saying that Mexican natives are natives to American territory is like saying Chinese are natives to Japan or South Korea since those nations are part of Asia, they are all racially NE Asian, and the latter two apparently descended from the Chinese many centuries ago. Yet, no one would argue that Chinese have a right to live in South Korea or Japan.

    Additionally, it is irrelevant to argue the land issue because the Mexican natives are not coming to the USA for the land. Let me repeat. The Mexican natives are not coming to the USA for the land. After all, they already live in their ancestral homeland which is one of the nicest countries on Earth. They are coming to the USA for the political and economic systems, institutions and opportunities created by the very people you say are thieves. So in other words had we not created such a vibrant opportunistic place, they probably wouldn’t give a second thought on heading north. And that makes the land argument moot. They don’t want the land, they want the value added society that the Europeans created.

    Once again, the Mexicans should be quite angry at their white population. For not only have their whites hoarded the resources and ethnically cleansed them, but their whites haven’t even come close to creating the sort of stable, wealthy societies that the whites in Canada and the USA have. So Mexico not only got the selfish whites, they got the incompetent ones too.

    It is meant to be a reality check for the all the whiners who endlessly blame “libtards” for the problem.

    Actually the Reagan amnesty is good to bring up, but not for the reasons your suggest. You callously want to use the Reagan amnesty as a way to quiet the opposition so that they will lie down to future amnesties. But the real lesson of the Reagan amnesty is to never again trust the open-borders side. Recall Reagan was assured by those pushing the amnesty through Congress, that this was a one-off event. That this would set the scales right and the border would be secured, etc., etc. Of course nothing of the sort happened. So the lesson is the open-border side really wants open borders and will never enforce the law and will always muck up the system so that either future amnesties will be required, or the concept of defending the border will end.

  66. I have read with interest the accounts of Latinos who get excited, talking about ruling in America. Let’s take a look at the track record of Latino run countries. Not so good to awful, everywhere they go. Always lots of violence, poverty and corruption. So they come here and then want to transform America into still another banana republic. Then I guess they (and we) will try to sneak into Canada. That is one long border…

  67. iSteveFan says:

    @bliss

    It is relevant because they can find the same racial commonality with Apaches, Navajos, Sioux amerindians as the sicilians, slavs, scandinavians etc in America find with the anglos who have take the ancestral lands of these, and other, tribes.

    As pointed out above, the Mexicans are not coming for the land. They are coming for the European derived society. If as you suggest they have racial commonality with the Apaches, Navajos, Sioux, etc., then I suppose a case could be made for the Mexicans to immigrate to the Indian Reservations and live among their distant cousins. Of course the tribes, especially those with casinos, would probably have a thing or two to say about that. But to suggest that due to their native blood they deserve entry into America is wrong. After all, America is a European, not Amerindian society.

    You point out that Sicilians, Slavs and Scandinavians have racial commonality with the Anglos and have been allowed to come to the US. But keep in mind, the Anglos never gave these groups a blank check. The whole point of the 1924 Immigration Act was to limit the amount of Southern and Eastern Europeans. In other words some were welcomed, but there was no intention to allow them to demographically transform the nation.

    For Mexicans of today, there is really no such limit. In fact almost as many Mexicans have come to the USA in the last 35 years as all the German and Italians COMBINED in 400 years! If not a single Mexican ever immigrated to the USA from this moment on, Mexico would still remain the overwhelming leader for source nation of immigration to the USA.

  68. syonredux says:
    @Rex Little

    In my stepson’s jail, blacks were still the smallest group in absolute numbers (though of course less of a minority than in the outside world). So I don’t think the power dynamic is that different, at least where blacks are concerned.

    (Mexicans were the largest group–the jail is located about 60 miles east of Los Angeles–followed by whites.)

    I can’t comment about your step-son’s specific experience. However, I can note that Blacks do wield a disproportionate amount of power in the prison system. For that reason, among others, I don’t really think that this example tells us much about he fate of the nation as a whole.

  69. syonredux says:
    @Bliss

    It is relevant because they can find the same racial commonality with Apaches, Navajos, Sioux amerindians as the sicilians, slavs, scandinavians etc in America find with the anglos who have take the ancestral lands of these, and other, tribes.

    Mexican reconquista-types prefer to dilate on silly myths about “Aztlan” when it comes to justifying their takeover of the USA, not equally silly notions about brotherhood with the Sioux.

    It is meant to be a reality check for the all the whiners who endlessly blame “libtards” for the problem.

    How many people of that sort frequent this site? It seems to me that the people who come here are quite aware that the Republican Establishment is fully on board with bringing in massive numbers of low IQ Latin American Amerinds and Mestizos. The Republican elite, after all, serve big business, and big business wants cheap labor.

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  70. @Ron Unz

    “Obsessive anti-immigrationists”? My, my. Even the Great Unz is a pc-speaker. It’s “obsessive anti-ILLEGAL immigrationists.

    You read like the New York Times for whose writers Fred has some choice description I think. Or was it the Washington Post? No matter. They’re interchangeable.

    Obsessive indeed.

  71. TomB says:

    I think Mr. Unz and his comment here deserves more respect than they have received, particularly with regard to his suggestion to just avoid posting long, republished excerpts and instead just provide a link.
    And I say this as one who is pretty non-immigration oriented and who, hopefully not obsessively but close to it, finds it hard not to comment on the issue whenever it comes up.

    On the other hand, Mr. Unz, I think it might be recognized that much of the obsessiveness with the issue that is out there is spurred by an incredible bias in the major media that people see as doing nothing less than trying to hide the sub-issues involved and so deprive the country of having any true democratic say on the matter.

    And that’s different from simply being obsessed with … keeping people out or etc. Have an open and honest airing of the sub-issues, allow anywhere near the full range of opinions to be published as regards same, and via same force our politicians to confront this issue and come to some true democratic result and my betting is that the anti-immigrant forces would prove far more amenable to same, no matter what it is, than the La Raza folks would be.

    After all the latter can seem to be a bit “obsessive” themselves running around “demanding” things, or in the person of Representative Gutierrez is out there, as a U.S. Congressperson, *openly* saying “I have only one loyalty and that’s to the immigrant community.”

    Moreover, Mr. Unz, you yourself of course was the brilliant spotter of the similarity of or media today with that of Pravda, and people just get tired of incessant bias. Drenched in anecdote after anecdote showing some illegal immigrant success story, or sad story … but then when confronted with a story such as the rise of machete-wielding-and-using hispanic gangs, doing everything possible to not mention even the ethnicity of the machete wielders much less any discussion of the seeming attraction for machete violence in Mexico today and how immigration might well already have imported some of same.

    See, e.g., this story about just such an attack in Chicago the other day, where a hispanic group—including three 15 year-olds who might or might not be “Dreamers” because we aren’t told of course—surrounded two brothers on an elevated station and, when the two refused to flash some gang signs were indeed subject to machete hacking to the head and neck:

    http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-81320561/

    Anyway, just my take on the “obsession” aspect of things.

  72. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    “I tell people that Fred Reed is one of America’s greatest writers”

    Is this sarcasm?

  73. JSM says:

    “It is relevant because they can find the same racial commonality with Apaches, Navajos, Sioux”

    Not if you ask the said Apaches, Navajos and Sioux. Those guys, long before us palefaces’ ancestors ever even showed up, HATED the fellas occupying Mexico.

    See, the Aztecs, from which many of the imminvaders from Mexico are descended, had this annoying habit of catching any Apaches (or Navajos, or Sioux) who dared wander that far south, and using them for human sacrifice, cutting out their living hearts and tossing their bodies from the tops of their pyramids. Unsurprisingly, the Apaches, et al., didn’t like this much.

    In fact, the Apaches made common cause with the Whites in the Mexican-American war.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Wars
    “When the United States claimed the frontier territories of Mexico in 1848, Mangas Coloradas signed a peace treaty, respecting the Americans as the conquerors of the Mexicans’ land”

    (Things between us Whites and the Apaches really only got tense when gold was discovered in the Santa Rita Mountains of Arizona.)

  74. David says:

    I think its funny that white people always point out that the Mexicans with Euro blood are so different than the pure blooded Indio Mexicans. Usually this measured by IQ, level of violence, teenage pregnancy, and accomplishments, etc.

    Ironically white people don’t see that this same paradigm exists with white people themselves. Whites who have Jewish blood are disproportionately smarter and more accomplished than whites with non Jewish blood.

    Meanwhile it’s been proven that the average Mexican is about as smart as the average non Jewish white person. This has been proven with Irish IQ tests. So if we are going to throw out the low iq barbarian horde that is about to bring down America, let’s throw out the Irish too.

  75. iSteveFan says:

    Ironically white people don’t see that this same paradigm exists with white people themselves. Whites who have Jewish blood are disproportionately smarter and more accomplished than whites with non Jewish blood.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t the smart Jews the Ashkenazi? And half of their DNA is from European sources. So it would appear that the smarter and more accomplished Jews are the ones with significant European admixture.

  76. Reed says “They know that in 1848 the US stole half of Mexico, specifically those states in which Mexicans are marching toward a majority.”

    A “half” of Mexico that contained roughly 80,000 Mexers (a mere 4% of Mexico’s population) in 1848. Most of these Mexers chose to become US citizens rather than return to post 1848 Mexico. Yes, the wealth of the land would later become stratospheric, but at the time the US paid Mexico an modern equivalent of about $700 million. I wouldn’t call that theft. Add in the enormous taxpayer subsidies to Mexicans, both legal and illegal in our history, and I think they have been repaid more than enough.

  77. David says:

    Ron Mexico:

    When Mexicans steal back their own land, they will not call it theft either.

  78. arel says:

    Interesting site, Mr Unz. I appreciate the mission of the place to provide alternative viewpoints and facts, to supplant what is missing in the MSM.

    I’ve read some of Fred, before, on his own blog. Not an expert here, but after doing some reading, and honest observation, living in SoCal for 30+ years, I agree with much of what he says, and forgive him for his “you” point of view. I presume hus wife is Mexican, and he seems quite fond of his Mexican stepdaughter, and what proud father wouldn’t be?

    There does seem to be a very unfortunate tilt, and radicalization of Hispanic politics, La Raza style here, and anti-America style across the border, both thanks to left/progressive/marxist ideology and corruption, that sadly, “we” voters, with apologies to, and acknowledge that its probably true to say, excepting all those reading here, have put into positions of power in Congress, and POTUS.

    So, we will have to pay, and the country suffer even more, until it hits bottom. Dont blame the poor guy from the rancho, or Guatemala, with the 80 iq, but shake his hand for the courage to risk his life to get his family out of a corrupt country ruled by oligarches and narcoterrorists.

    I’d do what it took to do same, and any of you who havent hiked thirty to forty miles in the desert, cross country, as I have, when much younger, just give it a go, and check back with me here, and then reflect on how thats the last and maybe easiest part, after coming up with the 3-10k to bribe the coyotes. They are fleeing a place with no hope to get ahead, to go someplace with at least some respect for the law, and safety from corrupt pols, and cops who would disarm and oppress them, and do daily, in mordida, small and large.

    Which is exactly why I am moving my family from California, before the crunch comes. Fred, good luck to you down south and keep the truth coming, as you see it. And thank you for your service and sacrifice, brother. You earned that VA money “over there” in another country oppressed by Marxists, and I appreciate hearing from you, even if I dont always agree on some opinions.

    We are all influenced by who and what is around us, and that ground truth need not be pretty, or pleasing to hear, for it to have informational value, to the point of this site. I can find plenty of echo chamber group think at Kos, of HuffPo, or the WAPO comments section, if I need the comfort of that.

  79. @Sunbeam

    “please inform me of any more important issue than the immigration one that we face?”

    Libtards, cultural Marxism, and PC.

    We can assimilate immigrants just fine if we get rid of those things. We used to be able to do so before those things existed.

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