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Today, FOE will explain economics, fraud, unemployment, and the end of the world. There will no longer be a need for economists, if there ever was. You will understand everything.

FOE is that sort of column.

Long ago, everybody worked on farms, growing food. This was a real service. People wanted food. They liked to eat it. At the same time, there was a tremendous demand for refrigerators and cars. People didn’t know they wanted these things because they hadn’t been invented. But they wanted them anyway.

Then farming automated, so everybody went to work in factories, making the refrigerators and cars, which they now had the money to buy. These products were not as important as food, but reasonably important.

Then the factories automated, so everybody started nail salons or tanning spas. Well, only some started them. But employment followed Fred’s Law of Declining Utility. People who didn’t have nail salons became lawyers, PR executives, professors and diversity consultants. These usually had no utility at all, but they kept their practitioners from being obviously unemployed. This, the prevention of evident pointlessness, became more and more central to the economy. Thus psychotherapy, grief counseling, and pet grooming.

Along the way, there flourished other means of keeping people off the job market without anyone’s noticing. Universities expanded, warehousing in custodial care millions of young who had neither interest in education, the intelligence to undertake it, nor much idea what it was. Then came the student-loan scam, the moral equivalent of sharecropping, that both facilitated students’ isolation from workaday reality . It also provided a steady stream of money for banks.

Child labor laws kept the small supply of actually needed jobs from predation by millions of children who previously had been sweated in factories. High schools prevented adolescents from doing anything useful. This followed the same principle of hiding unemployment.

A vast military and its associated industries absorbed further people who had nothing to do. Here declining utility reached zero and actually went negative. The military produced nothing of value, unless you valued dead people, and the generals might as usefully be employed in digging holes and filling them in.

An unsettling backdrop to all of this was the realization that the public, whose buying of things it didn’t need kept the system going, didn’t really want to buy enough stuff. Left to themselves, they would barbecue pork chops in the backyard, drink Bud, and watch movies with lots of gratuitous violence. They didn’t know they wanted iWatches or funny-looking tennis shoes or designer jeans. Since you can’t base an economy entirely on frankfurters, somebody had to tell them to buy, buy, buy. In short, to keep the wheels of industry turning they had to be force-fed like paté geese , And so were.

Advertising became a bigger industry than most it shilled for. The ad biz was a desperate economic measure. It kept busy in factories the workers employed making things nobody really wanted while they awaited replacement by robots.

Of course robots don’t buy things, which would eventually be important, but Americans don’t think of “eventually” if it is more than two weeks away.

By this point it became difficult to hide more unemployment. As semi-literate sociology majors came out of pseudo-universities to work at Starbucks, they dimly realized that something was wrong. Living on tips for the rest of their lives while living in Mommy’s basement was not exactly employment as they had imagined it.

Here was the new, and profitable, economic paradigm of semipseudosortakindabutnotreally employment: barely paid, no medical coverage, no benefits, no future, but you still got to pay taxes to make it even less.

Somewhere in there, women had shooshed onto the job market, driving wages down. Now you hire help at half price.

Finally, panting, we come almost to the end of the list. True, there are still the welfare population, whom the government craftily leaves out of the unemployment figures, and imagination-assisted disability rolls of people with undetectable back injuries, but enough. Paid unemployment is still unemployment.

We have reached–drum roll, trumpets–Saturation Joblessness. No more non-work can be hidden under the bed or stuffed behind the sofa cushions.

And artificial intelligence has arrived. This might be a good thing in the increasing absence of any other kind, but maybe not.

Anyway, AI is bringing on a sharp increase in Preemptive Replacement For example, new robotic factories and Amazon warehouses will fire no one, but hire no one either. Law firms will use software that can do legal research in minutes, and with fewer errors, that would take a paralegal weeks. The victims will sense that they have somehow been had, but not quite see how. This will somewhat hide growing unemployment, though not ameliorate its social effects.

So we come to the neural networks (you haven’t forgotten them,have you?). Now if you grew up programming in, say, FORTRAN, neurocomputing seems really squirrely, but it works. It does things like face recognition and reading x-rays and evaluating loan applications and detecting credit-card fraud better than humans. Not sexy jobs. In fact, horribly boring. Still, lots and lots of people do them, and usually hate them.

(An excellent book on the subject, is AI Superpowers: China, Silicon Valley, and the New World Order. It completely avoids the mathematics. By Kai-Fu Lee, a very heavy hitter in AI who has worked with most of the big names both in the US and China.)

Unlike robots, which have to be manufactured, bought, and installed in thousands, neural software can be distributed around the world in seconds, and upgraded as quickly. Middle management will be gutted. Kids coming up will not realize why there aren’t as many office jobs as before.

Now, as businesses adopt AI and its cousins and siblings, as they will and are, there will not be enough Starbucks to absorb the resulting surplus semi-literate sociologists . Drinking coffee will become a patriotic act. Social unrest, already incubating like early-stage tuberculosis, will grow. Why do you think we have ghastly suicide rates among the unemployed Deplorables in Middle America–these deaths being almost celebrated by the coastal elites? What brought Trump in?

Of one thing we can be sure: Nobody in power is going to do anything about it–not the government, not businessmen, not corporations (GM just moved 4500 more jobs, I think it was, to Mexico), not the Bezozes or the Zuckerbergs or Wall Street. In the words of the great Reverend McBilly Osfeiser, of the Pure Word and Saturday Night Dumplings Baptist Church, “I say unto ye, Brothels and Cisterns, the End Times is upon us. Grab your shotguns, stock up on sour mash, and barricade the doors. It’s gonna be Hell.”

 

An Annoyance

I hope the reader will pardon the following, which of course no one need read. As all web columnists know, a substantial part of the human race seems to have evolved not from monkeys, but from lemurs, and hasn’t made much progress. Last week I posted a column with a photo of piles of trash lived in on sidewalks by LA’s homeless population, and noted that nowhere, certainly not in Mexico, had I seen such things. Slums, yes. Garbage communities on sidewalks, no. The lemur derivatives proceeded to post a fraudulent photo of a monument to Benito Juárez in Mexico City which has for years been a favorite among the partly evolved. I cut and paste from an ancient column dealing with the same apparently immortal photo:

Juarez Monument, Mexico City, from the site Those Who Can See, a typical race-hustling site.
Juarez Monument, Mexico City, from the site Those Who Can See, a typical race-hustling site.

Well, I concede that the photo is pretty shocking. What sort of people would leave mounds of garbage on the grounds of their national monuments?

Since this pile of trash bore no resemblance to anything I had seen in Mexico (where I have lived for thirteen years), I spent fifteen seconds with Google Images and found dozens of photos of the monument with no trash. How was this, I wondered? Photoshop? Political HBDers are capable of it.

Juarez monument as it normally appears
Juarez monument as it normally appears

One photo however did show trash. Since the garbage photo by-line said NPR, it took another fifteen seconds on Google to turn up an NPR story on how a snafu in the closing of a landfill in the city had led to a brief pile-up of trash. (Wrote NPR, “Closure Of Massive Landfill Leaves Trash Piling Up In Mexico City … The trash buildup reminds us of what happened in New York City, when it suspended trash collection in January after a massive winter storm dumped more than two feet of snow on the city.”)

Deliberate misrepresentation. A better word is “lying.” There is much of this in such venues.

 
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  1. RJ says:

    Fred bringing some heat this week, Joe Bageant would likely approve.

    • Agree: byrresheim
    • Replies: @byrresheim
  2. What can I say, but great column, Fred. You even seem to care about Americans. Fancy that. That alone, though, will not bring the comment count up very high. Good thing you went ahead and stuck in some disparagement of your commenters. That ought to be good for 50 or 100.

    I would have figured Mexico is pretty clean too, as all your riff-raff brought their dirty diapers and garbage north with them to throw out the windows of their beaters.

    • LOL: bomag
    • Replies: @Giuseppe
  3. Giuseppe says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Good thing you went ahead and stuck in some disparagement of your commenters.

    Not all commenters are blockheaded Odin worshipping ignoramuses.

  4. Good article Fred. Really sums it up neatly and it’s not far short of reality in such far lung tendrils of Empire as Australia and other members of Uncle Shmuel’s posse.

    The above images remind me.

    Once a swamp always a swamp.

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  5. MBlanc46 says:

    Stay in Mexico, Fred. And kindly keep all the Mexicans there with you.

    • Replies: @Uslabor
  6. Hey, Fred. If Mexico is such a livable place, then why is 10% of it’s population living in the U.S.? Why would one third of the remainder like to come here also?

    https://www.cnn.com/2014/08/27/world/americas/mexico-immigration-survey/index.html

  7. Fred,

    Bang on as usual!

    What annoys most Americans about your many FOE offerings about them is that you clearly show how nothing seems to be working in The United States of America any longer. As I like to call it borrowing the last line of the first verse of the American National Anthem:

    Oh, say! can you see by the dawn’s early light
    What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming;
    Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight,
    O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
    And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
    Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there:
    Oh, say! does that star-spangled banner yet wave
    O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

    O’ER THE LAND OF THE FAT AND THE HOME OF THE FEARFUL?

    We all watch as the former greatest country in the world sinks quickly and inexorably into Third World Country status – if in fact it is not already there!

    • Replies: @Bill
    , @Panopticon
  8. Clinton abolished all welfare. In the US, welfare only referred to AFDC, or aid to single mums where they didn’t know who the father was, or the judge ordered him to pay more than his salary so he left the state (and the state got about $2,000 per single mum per month, and she only got about $700 per month, so the governor had $1,300 for ‘overhead’ which convinced many states to set the guidelines at 75% of the man’s pre-tax income, with the man responsible for all the taxes, so his take-home was less than he was ordered to pay, and, if he didn’t leave the state, he’d go to jail for civil contempt). Now there is no welfare. Every single mum must name a ‘father’ (DNA testing not admissible in Family Law Court, only the woman’s word). If the man has the money, the IRS must garnish it at source. If he doesn’t have the money, he’s a Class A felon subject to Life in the Workhouse until he has paid the last penny. For the wives of well-paid men, they get awarded more than 100% of his take-home pay, so he has to sleep in the Workhouse and gets taken to his job every morning (with a collar or wrist or ankle monitor) and back to the Workhouse every night. For low paid men, the cost of the Workhouse takes up all the man’s pay, so the mum doesn’t get anything for herself or the kid (except foodstamps that amount to about $2 a day).
    The best thing about the Clinton Law is that Great Men like Clinton never have to worry about jealous husbands, because they’re all locked up where they can’t harm their wife’s boyfriend.

  9. dearieme says:

    the prevention of evident pointlessness

    Nice one, Cyril,
    Nice one, son,
    Nice one, Cyril,
    Let’s have another one.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  10. Svevlad says:

    So what is the solution? Yang gang? Money-free economy? Robots don’t need to be paid, and can be made completely self-sufficient.

    The problem is if automatization is incomplete – then Anatoly Karlins scenario becomes inevitable. If it does, then we get Wall-E. Woohoo, what do

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  11. @Ray Huffman

    Because of all the ‘free stuff’ the morons in gov’t provide the freeloaders.

  12. As usual, Limp-Dick Fred, the Expat Faggot, can’t go a column without reminding us poor, bewildered “gringos” about the alleged superiority of the land where he met his single mother, spic-kike princess (what’s the matter Fred, couldn’t find an American girl?). Thank you for letting us confused South-Westerners know about the joys of the Kalergi plan from your benighted position in a gated community.

    What pithy bon mots are you cooking up next time Fred? Another enlightning epistle about how the Jews dindu nuffin and the whole kerfuffle in the middle east is somehow the fault of white Evangelical Christians?

    You can posture as a worldly curmudgeon all you want, but all you are is a feeble old bitch willing to shill for the globalists and their Chinese and Mexican pets because you found a puto willing to settle for you and saw some shiny new trains.

    • Agree: joeshittheragman
    • LOL: Truth, WHAT
    • Replies: @Biff
  13. Daddio7 says:

    The Democrats have a sure fire cure for unemployment, ban fossil fuels. Your “everyone is a farmer” utopia will return.

  14. I love how Fred feels the need to scurry around Google to defend Mexico’s honor. Imagine being such a frightened, defensive little man that you get wound up by a photo of Mexican garbage.

    He ridicules the U.S. for producing so much pointless work. I wonder what Reed was paid for his “work” to search Google images to prove the evil HBDers wrong. The irony is profound, but Reed doesn’t do irony.

    Just FYI, I was in NYC in Jan. 2011 when the garbage piled up. It sucked, but it didn’t last long. The trash was sealed in bags and it was cold, which kept the smell in check. Yeah some of the bags were punctured by street people looking for redeemable bottles and such, and I bet a lot of those people were Mexican.

    Mexico City produces 4.6 million tons of trash per year. NYC, roughly the same population, produces 2.5 million tons. London generates 3.7 million tons. A Mexican’t bringing up garbage is like leading with your non-recyclable glass jaw.

    • Replies: @jen1
  15. Andrew Yang has a plan.

  16. Anonymous [AKA "Tripps"] says:
    @Giuseppe

    Not fair to Odin, he promised to get rid of Ice Giants, which are now conspicuously absent.

  17. Grab your shotguns, stock up on sour mash, and barricade the doors. It’s gonna be Hell.”

    Come on, man, Tequila and Vodka can be both useful as stress relievers and a currency in these coming times. In fact, some cheap Rum can have a good buying power in case of gas and ammo. Excellent piece.

  18. @Giuseppe

    That’s not Odin, dumbass, that’s damn Indian! (Or, at least he played one on TV.) I have no problem with the commenters, but I have a problem with some of the moronic repliers, most especially the Socialists and the Commies.

    • Replies: @Truth
  19. The duty of any patriotic American or citizens of any advanced nation is to consume, CONSUME, CONSUME.

    The world depends on it, as do future generations.

    Party till you puke!

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  20. anon[264] • Disclaimer says:

    “Well, I concede that the photo is pretty shocking. What sort of people would leave mounds of garbage on the grounds of their national monuments?”

    1. A lazy, inept government with poor planing skills that had nowhere else to put it until they could find somewhere else.

    2. The same kinds of people who burn their monuments or burn other people’s monuments: those who have no national identity (atomized consumers) or zealots who have come to believe that identity is somehow immoral.

  21. Wayne says:

    With regards to generals digging holes and refilling them. At the end of the Second World War my father was at Fort Meade, Maryland waiting to be processed out of the Navy. They had the half the sailors nailing nails into 2×4’s. Then the lumber was carried around he back of the barracks where the other half of sailors pulled the nails out. True story.

    • Replies: @Jim bob Lassiter
  22. peterAUS says:
    @Svevlad

    So what is the solution?

    Depends on who is supposed to answer that question.

    TPTBs as they are now have an answer that suits them quite well. You can see it around you.
    Deplorables and overall losers in that game don’t. That’s why they are who they are where they are. Or going to be with this trend.

    And, you definitely won’t find even a hint of any answer here. There is very good reason for that, btw.

    In time, and somewhere, somehow else, who knows?
    There is always hope.

  23. Anonymous[318] • Disclaimer says:

    Along the way, there flourished other means of keeping people off the job market without anyone’s noticing. Universities expanded, warehousing in custodial care millions of young who had neither interest in education, the intelligence to undertake it, nor much idea what it was.

    This has been done all over the world in the last 10-15 years. I remember that in Southern Europe, where the vestiges of university had not yet been dismantled, the European Union sent pressing reminders to politicians that the percentage of graduates was “too low”, implying that, ideally, everybody would have to have a degree.

    Of course… since there are no two separate courses in university, this has allowed the people you aptly describe to be happy because now they are (they think) This and That (many even get things they call PhD’s!), while voiding university for the few with the attributes (be it intellect or willingness to toil) to take on it.

    • Replies: @Amon
  24. Anonymous[318] • Disclaimer says:
    @dearieme

    80% of your comments are as sphinxlike as it is required to leave me unable to get it.
    Lol. I wonder if this is some conspiracy.

  25. About 15 years ago my church group would send a small group of men to Matamoros to work in the barrios that bordered the southern edge of the city. We were one of a number of church groups that came from all over the United States and would usually spend five or six days doing all kinds of home construction and rehab projects. Our on-site manager was a retired stockbroker from Dallas who apparently had done quite well as he did not look much over 45, He was also a devout Methodist and this kind of work was his mission in life. He was fluent in Spanish which was of great importance in working with local merchants for all the necessary supplies the groups needed . He had a cadre of five or six Mexican locals who were very good workers and the men in the church groups learned from them how to do things the Mexican way which mostly involved grunt labor, like mixing concrete on the ground for instance.
    I thoroughly enjoyed my time there. The residents of the barrios were most kind and very thankful when we able to repair a leaky roof as an example. It could be exciting at times like when we would topple a dilapidated outhouse and dozens of rats would scurry out. Oh how I wish we would have had my old rat-hating Boston Bull terrier who would have delighted in killing all those nasty rodents. There were no paved streets in the barrios and when it rained they became muddy quagmires, I never ceased to be amazed that despite the primitive conditions all the men women and children were dressed neatly and with clean clothes. It seemed top me that at nearly ever humble abode the woman of the family would be bent over a soapy wash tub doing the family washing. Fortunately there were water taps located strategically through out the barrio, cold of course and heated the best way possible.
    Speaking of garbage dumps there was a very large one located very near the barrio. I was often fascinated to see hundreds of plastic grocery bags floating in the air over the dump, apparently inflated by all the methane gas emitting from the dump. It seems to me I read somewhere that the gas was going to be put to use for some purpose, but I am unaware of the progress.
    Our visits to Matamoros came to an unhappy ending about five years ago, During the interim our manager had married an Hispanic doctor who had worked in our same barrio, to say that she was loved by all the residents is an understatement. I don’t recall all the details but they were threatened with bodily harm is they did not cease work–the usual rumors of drug cartel involvement being a primary factor.
    I believe Fred has made a fair assessment of the status quo. I grieve for our country and see no remedies for all the ills that currently afflict us. Were it possible I wish we could return to the agrarian society that I was a part of growing up on a farm in the 1930s and 40s. That is an idle dream I realize–I am fearful of the future for the following generations.

  26. Patricus says:

    America has been down in the dumps over and over again. Always recovers better than ever before. Is there a reason why this cycle should be over?

    Bet against America! What could go wrong with that bet? Better yet go back to the homes of the ancestors, or advance into Mexico where life is almost perfect and all the children are above average. Actually, mexico wasn’t so perfect when I visited but I guess it has advanced beyond us.

    • Replies: @Dumbo
  27. pseudonym says:

    Traveled across Mexico in the early 1990s, there was a trash problem, mostly in the north, mostly in out of the way places, in fact, it seemed to blow along, settling in low places. Perhaps they cleaned it up or you just don’t get out much, or perhaps its all disintegrated and blew away? NPR is a national treasure, I hope you pay taxes.

    • Replies: @Sbaker
  28. Biff says:
    @Johnny Karate

    what’s the matter Fred, couldn’t find an American girl?

    You can spot them a mile away; sometimes two. “Thar she blows!”

    • Replies: @The Alarmist
  29. Bill says:

    The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design.

    ~ FA Hayek, The Fatal Conceit

    As to Mexico’s ‘cleanliness’ – everywhere I went outside tourist areas, and sometimes in, was trash all over the ground. Even out in the country, in ‘front yards’ as it were, people walked around in litter – mostly small paper and plastic, and whatever – they don’t even bother to pick up. Driving along through little villages, it looks like part of the landscape amounts the whitish stones and scrubby plant life, until you look closely. Poverty need not mean ‘dirty’, or even messy. I think the place has a special beauty and simplicity, devoid of the trash.

  30. Bill says:
    @Freda Lipshitz

    It’s actually the second world, that we don’t hear of.

    Third world comes up, and first world is brought down, to a social mundanity of second world sameness.

    AKA – Socialism; Marxism; Communism.

    Note: Marx was an economist.

  31. jen1 says:
    @Bragadocious

    “Mexico City produces 4.6 million tons of trash per year. NYC, roughly the same population, produces 2.5 million tons. London generates 3.7 million tons.”

    amounts that NYC generates are 14 to 30 million tonnes per year . The most of any city. Besides, Mexico city has 2.5 times the population of NYC.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  32. jen1 says:

    correction. you are correct re the populations of the city proper. the metro area of ny is 4500 sq miles, and includes the 5 largest cities of nj and the 7 largest in ct, with a 20 mill population.
    mex city metro area, is over 3500 sq miles, population 21 mill, and includes other cities in the valley.

  33. bluedog says:
    @Giuseppe

    Your right only the trolls who spend their time spreading dis-cord,lies and distortions thinking that they are immune from detection,they aren’t.!!!

  34. Anonymous [AKA "Durbandon"] says:

    Hi Fred, I enjoyed your post as usual. As an octogenarian it took me a while to figure out how your new format/system worked. I like it. I have often thought of replying but considered it not worthwhile.

    I am bemused by some of the the vitriolic replies. I also notice some are reasonably illiterate in English. For example the use of was instead of were. I seriously admire your command of the English language which was drummed into me in American schools. Yours is far better than mine with a much larger vocabulary. Thanks and cheers. Durbandon

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
  35. jen1 says:

    mostly Fred less belittles America than mourns the loss of America he knew from his youth. The difference is the absence of rancor. His Mexico and Latin america articles seem more to dispel the fog of false impressions created by us mainstream media, than plug Mexico as the greatest.
    He provides his reasons, and amusingly. You may disagree.
    But do provide reasons for disagreement and not just personally directed adjectives.

    • Agree: Andrei Martyanov
    • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
  36. Rurik says:

    Fredo scolds thus:

    Deliberate misrepresentation. A better word is “lying.” There is much of this in such venues.

    yet, what is that old Mexican proverb about casas made of glass?

    This is one of Fredo’s recent chides at those tinfoil-hat-wearing “Conspiracy Theorists”

    There are common threads. Believers in one theory usually believe in several. Choose from JFK, RFK, black helicopters, Nine Eleven, various plane crashes, …

    Other commonalities exist, forming a sort of syndrome. Though often silly, the theories are intensely held, usually involve unfamiliarity with underlying material, vastly complicate simple explanations, and willfully overlook obvious inconsistencies and absurdities.

    http://www.unz.com/freed/conspiracy-theories-among-the-illuminati/

    So it seems to me here that Fredo is hectoring some of us for our penchant to “willfully overlook obvious inconsistencies and absurdities”, when to the thoughtful and honest, we feel that pretending that there are no “obvious inconsistencies and absurdities” with the official version of some of these events, requires in absolute willingness to willfully overlook obvious inconsistencies and absurdities” – at best. And at worst, are a deliberate exorcise in duplicity on behalf of the criminals who assassinated JFK, perpetrated 9/11, lied about several plane crashes, (MH17, Iran Air Flight 655, recent shoot down of drone over Iran sovereign territory, etc…) or sent black(hawk) helicopters into civilian areas to perform military-type exorcises – the latter of which, I have personally seen. And that Fredo Reed, is no lie.

    I don’t expect you to do any mea culpas, Fredo (it’s not really your style, is it? ; ), but for the thoughtful and honest out there, how many of you believe that our wars (All of them!), were not conceived and planned at the very highest levels by conspirators in back rooms, far away from the curious eyes of the public, eh?

    Fredo would have you all believe that our recent Eternal Wars (for Israel- duh) are all a consequence of irrational, stone age terrorists who kill Americans because they ‘hate our freedoms!’, and therefor ‘we must kill them over there, (‘seven nations in five years’) or fight them over here!’ And our government and media have been absolutely, 100% honest about every step of these wars!

    Is that not a classic example of ‘willfully overlooking obvious inconsistencies and absurdities’ in the official version? If not down right insulting to Fredo’s readers?!

    Never mind the avalanche of obvious evidence that they’re lying about JFK, 9/11, ‘black helicopters’, myriad plane crashes, Assad’s chemical weapons, Putin’s “invasion” of Ukraine, Iran’s support of terrorism, Saddam’s WMDs, Gadhafi’s threat, Yemen’s ‘aggression’, Russian hacking, or a thousand other idiocies and lies all heaped upon us everyday by what Fredo would have us all believe is a media and government that are beyond reproach and endemically incapable of any so-called “conspiracy’ by the vary nature of their openness and complete transparency.

    And if anyone doubts any of that, then according to Fredo, we should be worried about and certainly question their veracity and integrity.

    >>whew<<

  37. @jen1

    the loss of America he knew from his youth.

    I am not an American but lived long enough in the country to see a dramatic, to put it mildly, change for the worst and by that I don’t mean economically–it is a cultural landscape today which is surreal. America I knew too is gone–it is an asylum and patients are in charge. Some islands of common sense and normality merely underscore, calling it what it is, a tragedy.

  38. @Rabbitnexus

    That gator looks a bit like Jeff Sessions, which explains why the Swamp remains largely untouched.

  39. @Anonymous

    “For example the use of was instead of were>”
    Somewhere along the line the subjunctive mood has come into misuse. More’s the pity.

  40. @jen1

    14 to 30 million tonnes eh? Got a source for that? I just visited the DSNY website. Did you?

    BTW it’s tons, not tonnes, unless you’re a Brit, in which case you know less about NYC than Fred Reed.

    • Replies: @dearieme
    , @Anonymous
  41. “The Midas Plague”. ‘Nuff said.

  42. Anybody else find it funny that Fred always tries to paint other Americans as uncouth yokels when he himself writes like Will Rogers’ retarded brother?

    • LOL: The Scalpel
    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Escher
  43. dearieme says:
    @Bragadocious

    Tonnes are the metric ton of 1000 kg. In Britain a ton is 2,240 lbs, versus the American “short ton” of 2,000 lb. When guesstimating the weight of a heap of rubbish the distinctions are irrelevant.

  44. @Wayne

    They were perforating the 2x4s as step one of the process for infusion of giant toothpicks with cinnamon oil for dinosaurs.

  45. Sbaker says:
    @pseudonym

    States with a heavy Mexican population always have trash-lined streets and highways.

    • Replies: @Biff
  46. Biff says:
    @Sbaker

    States with a heavy Mexican population always have trash-lined streets and highways.

    Well, then quit throwing shit out the window when you’re driving around.

  47. @Andrei Martyanov

    @Andrei Martyanov, you are absolutely correct. America is lost; squandered actually. Most commenters here are to young, stupid or both to realize it. The fools whine about the Democrats’ Welfare State yet blindly embrace the Republicans’ Warfare State, Torture State, Police State, Prison State, Security State and Surveillance State. All are Big Government programs used to steal our liberties and steal the wealth of producers and transfer it to non-producers.

    Hope does lie in the “islands of common sense and normality” you mentioned. Christ is still Lord of our valleys and parents homeschool their children. It makes all the difference.

  48. Rich says:

    I wonder if there is anyone out there, competent enough to tell us if the fear-mongering about the coming AI/Robotic scenario is true, and how far away it is. Are factories really re-tooling, or being freshly built, with robots? Machines still break down, are there any robots dexterous enough to repair other robots? Someone still has to program the paralegal machine, someone has to repair it when it goes down, someone, somewhere has to check its work, right? It would seem that a declining population would adapt decently to these coming problems, if the elites would just allow the population to decline, as Japan is actually doing. The US allows over a million legal immigrants into the country every year and I wouldn’t be surprised if the number of illegal aliens coming into the country yearly is more than that. It’s possible that the US could look like Calcutta in a few years if we don’t stop allowing any immigration, or at least limit it severely.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  49. Anonymous [AKA "More Spinach"] says:
    @Johnny Karate

    No. I think he writes rather well for an American.

  50. Truth says:
    @Giuseppe

    You’re right Old Sport.

    I would assume that Baal, Baphomet, and the boring ol’ Prince of Darkness are fairly well represented as well. However, having been here over a decade, my conclusion is that self-worship is probably the number one choice of diety amongst the Unzistas.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
    , @Rich
  51. Truth says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Technically he was a Dago from Jersey, but the teardrop did make me want to pick up wayward soda cans when i was a child.

  52. Escher says:
    @Johnny Karate

    Mr Reed writes very well, whether one agrees with him or not.

  53. @RoatanBill

    Sad, but true. Being Hispanic myself, to say nothing of living among many new arrivals, I can attest that this is part of the reason why. Especially in illegal immigrant-friendly states such as California, New York, and (increasingly) Texas.

    Consider the cost of having children. Much of the overhead for such personal decisions is covered by the US government, making it possible for some individuals to break even or maybe pull off a small profit. Not only do social workers and sundry other government workers strongly encourgage these immigrants to apply for such welfare, but the extent of this assistance far outstrips that which can be made available by Mexico, let alone any Central American nation.

    Why this country allots such generous benefits to illegal non-citizens is beyond me.

    • Replies: @Sbaker
  54. Icy Blast says:

    I think Fred (whose columns I have been reading since 1981) is just trying to compensate for the anti-Mexican hate speech so common in “the media” here in the Colossus of the North. I don’t blame a combat veteran of the Vietnam War for being alienated from the U.S.A. If the government of my own country had made a concerted effort to kill me over several years, I would be alienated also.

    Mexico is still a mess in many ways, but it is on an upward arc economically. This is proven by Uncle Sam’s own statistics. Why Uncle Sam gives any money to the Mexican government is beyond me. Mexico is in much better shape than almost all countries in Africa, for example. Any government that is as deeply in debt as the one headquartered in the swamps of Virginia should not be giving money to any foreign government.

    I could go on and on but I think you catch my drift. All the anti-Mexican propaganda is necessary in order to prop up the self-esteem of a large bloc of American voters, most of whom are considered odious by their own rulers, but whose children might still be persuaded to join the military if the bonuses get big enough. And of course, all Mexicans are assumed to be Catholic. While this is no longer true, hating Catholics is an American tradition, and is still a surefire way to mobilize a frighteningly ignorant public.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
    , @jeff stryker
    , @Anon
  55. @Truth

    TRUTH

    It would be among expats. We are the people so self-obsessed that we could care less if rednecks in pickup trucks run down BLM protesters on the 405 as long as we can sip cool drinks on Asian beaches while watching the tropical sun dissolve into the ocean waters.

    In the end, many of the posters here answer the “Whatever Happened To” question of the crusties, hicks, townies, rubes etc. I knew as a young man in the US. Their standards of living fell and they were increasingly unable to do anything about it.

    Better them than me, I sometimes shudder when I read these posts. Thank goodness that back in the roaring nineties I went through a bad spell-college girlfriend broke up with me, had trouble with Cholos and meth-addled tweaker white trash urban underclass, was not making the money I wanted to-and the phone rang from an old high school friend of a job opportunity in Dubai.

    Some people here have accused me of having gone overseas because I failed miserably. Actually, I am grateful I hit the skids so young in America and left at age 25. Too young to have a family, or a house mortgage, or be married or be in debt.

    And so 7,300 nights of better living overseas have gone by.

    Expats don’t care. We live in the real word and not vicariously through inane Hollywood stars managed by cocaine addicts. We only care about ourselves and our experiences in real life.

    That is the way to live.

  56. Fredy, a small reminder: man was created to worship his Creator, not to work on the farm. the latter is a necessity not the point or purpose.
    beyond worshipping, there will always be something to do, like taking out the trash or rounding and locking up miscreants, but i repeat myself. be well!

  57. @Escher

    Had me worried for a time about the snark, but it seems he´s recovering 😛

  58. Andrew yang and the freedom dividend :p

    UBI could be here soon.

    Yang even count “white supremacists” among his supporters. Crazy. Yang is freaking smart judging from his interviews.

    Asian guy with support of supposed racists. Says slot about trump :p and the current govt.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  59. Whether or not you are working has nothing to do with whether or not you are employed. In America you are employed if you are paying FICA taxes and “out of the labor force” if you are not. Nobody is unemployed.

    A professor of grievance studies is employed but not working. A man growing water melons and selling them off the back of a truck is working but not employed. Witness the rapid expansion of re-selling and day labor. If automation reduces employment (FICA tax payers) there will be less welfare and therefore more work. As we slide into the third world we discover that, in poor countries, everybody is an entrepreneur.

  60. Dumbo says:
    @Patricus

    Always recovers better than ever before. Is there a reason why this cycle should be over?

    For one, millions of Mexicans, Asians and others completely changing its demographics?

    Look, the US as a superpower has lasted for perhaps 150 years, not a very long time as empires go, and it seems unlikely the nation will get back to its peak (I would put it at the 1950s – 60s). But doom enthusiasts are probably wrong too, it still can remain on top for quite some time, it’s more likely going to happen as a slow decay than as a big collapse. It is to be seen if it will be able to retain its territorial integrity with the growing demographic changes and economic crises of the next 100 years.

    • Replies: @The Scalpel
  61. Dumbo says:
    @Andrei Martyanov

    America I knew too is gone–it is an asylum and patients are in charge.

    This reminds me that when Ezra Pound was freed from the asylum in the U.S. where he had been confined for twelve years, he went back to live in Italy.

    When asked when he had been released from the mental hospital, he replied: “I never was. When I left the hospital I was still in America, and all America is an insane asylum.”

  62. @RJ

    A very good man, gone far too soon.

  63. @Rich

    I have dissected the automation meme in many previous comments. It isn’t going to happen. This is just the latest flavor of the month corporate magazine spread. However, this does not mean it won’t be tried. Big Data will be with us a while longer; and to the extent that companies attempt to implement automation, it’s going to make work more time consuming and labor intensive, not less.

    The essence of automation is not to actually improve efficiency or productivity, but to liquidate the capital base so as to transfer wealth from workers and owners to the financial class. As such, this climate in which this activity thrives is already on the wane.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  64. Parfois1 says:

    Hey, Fred. If Mexico is such a livable place, then why is 10% of it’s population living in the U.S.? Why would one third of the remainder like to come here also?

    Probably returning to their homeland by peaceful means.

  65. Humans farming, farming humans, weed-control, plowing under the rotting harvest. Intelligent design of human making.

  66. Parfois1 says:

    Fred is getting a lot of flak because he’s showing what is coming – and that is not pretty, although he dresses it in nice literary garb to take the edge off the pain.

    You envious commenters (not the ones of the cheerful tongue-in-cheek variety), should atone for your supercilious impudence and heed Fred’s dressing-downs about the dissipation of what had been a decent country, apparently… sometime…

    The way things are going in Nosey Uncle Sam’s country (and European satrapies) I predict a huge migration flow in reverse – millions of Freds leaving behind their “freedom” to enjoy the joie de vivre of a vibrant Mexico. Then I would like to read your reports from beyond Rio Grande… and lamentations for not having done so earlier.

    Then you can even visit Cuba without Nosey Uncle Sam’s permission…

    • Replies: @ricpic
  67. Parfois1 says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    … The essence of automation is not to actually improve efficiency or productivity, but to liquidate the capital base so as to transfer wealth from workers …

    My only quibble is about that “wealth from workers” . Where is that proletariat heaven where workers have any wealth to speak of – unless you mean their modest retirement pensions already in the hands of the management funds.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  68. Parfois1 says:
    @Icy Blast

    … hating Catholics is an American tradition, and is still a surefire way to mobilize a frighteningly ignorant public.

    ,

    The last time I checked, the Catholic church in the US had by far the most followers (about 80 million) – so is there that much hate to spare? Very peculiar…

    • Replies: @Alan Donelson
  69. A good article, Fred clearly portends what’s coming.

    A note on trash in the Third World which is a blight on an otherwise attractive scenery. This is really the result of the rapid, uneven, and non-appropriate development introduced by western capitalists seeking to convert Third Worlders into consumers of their products. Traditionally most waste in these societies was biodegradable food waste and it was actually desirable to chuck it about since any seeds may grow to produce more food. But the modern world brought non-biodegradable synthetic waste quickly, not allowing for the general attitude to waste to adapt and change. All for the sake of the profits of the corporations and their owners. So hence, mountains of garbage.

    • Replies: @TKK
  70. Frederico, Reverend McBilly Osfeiser’s distant relative invented the math (gradient descent) behind artificial neural networks.

    If according to Niklas/Nick Boström AI goes skynet , it will probably first get rid of Miguels and KFC Americans for low productivity reasons.

  71. @Icy Blast

    ICY BLAST

    Give me a break, Irish Catholics RUN the East Coast. Judging from the poverty of the Bible Belt and US South and Interior, one would think Americans hated Protestant Evangelicals.

  72. “Then the factories automated, so everybody started nail salons or tanning spas. Well, only some started them. But employment followed Fred’s Law of Declining Utility. People who didn’t have nail salons became lawyers, PR executives, professors and diversity consultants. These usually had no utility at all, but they kept their practitioners from being obviously unemployed. This, the prevention of evident pointlessness, became more and more central to the economy. Thus psychotherapy, grief counseling, and pet grooming.”

    Control F reveals the absence of the words “journalist, reporter, writer, columnist, and of course media.”

    Lack of self-awareness, thy name is Kiko Reed.

  73. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Congratulations to Reed , and Unz , good article .

    Will the ” west ” die of succes ?

  74. Good thing the Jewlergis flooded the West with parasitic Third Worlders. It would’ve been lonely with just Americans watching robots work.

  75. Sbaker says:
    @Nicolás Palacios Navarro

    Why? Are you serious? Democrat votes. The demrats will seize power and hold it for decades.

  76. TG says:

    Yes robots are taking our jobs and reducing the need for human labor, and because robots mean that we need fewer people to do the same job, that explains why overall productivity is stagnant and declining because it takes more people to achieve the same level of production. Because robots. And we also must open our borders to the overpopulated third world or we will run out of the workers we no longer need and the crops will rot in the fields.

    Another point: robots do indeed “buy things.” The need of an industrial robot for spare parts and power etc. is very much higher than that of a.50-cents-an-hour malnourished Bangladeshi. And the Bangladeshi is disposable, unlike the robot which if it breaks you have to pay a fortune to have fixed.

    And as far as schools warehousing children: certainly we have way too many people in universities getting useless degrees. But primary education serves the vital role of dissuading people from having seven kids each as a source of cheap labor. And if you think that’s bad, well, move to Bangladesh and see how it works out the other way…

  77. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:
    @Icy Blast

    Since the protestant heresy , English identity was established on a fanatic hate and rejection of Catholicism , of Catholic countries , on not being a ” Popist ” , the english became cesaropapists , their only Pope was the King/Queen of England .

    The yankees are the descendants of the english . By the end of the XIX century Pope Leo XIII condemned the american catholics heresy of ” americanism ” , America über alles .

    http://www.catholicapologetics.info/modernproblems/americanism/index.htm

  78. Agent76 says:

    May 1, 2017 Obsolete — The Future Doesn’t Need Us… Or So We’ve Been Told.

    With the rise of technology and the real-time pressures of an online, global economy, humans will have to be very clever – and very careful – not to be left behind by the future.

  79. Agent76 says:

    Mar 8, 2019 Science Is Starting to Catch Up to the Sci-Fi Film Gattaca

  80. A brief word on México’s trash problem: There are landfills full of the prematurely dead whose relatives were absolutely not notified prior to their unauthorized mass burial. And, if Fred Reed is still alive, there is at least one trash pile in Mexico.

  81. Anonymous [AKA "demogorgon"] says:
    @Ray Huffman

    It takes a long time for the word to get out–in this case, several decades. Meanwhile, the media maintains the illusion as long as possible.

  82. ricpic says:

    Leisure unsought? Speak for yourself.

  83. ricpic says:
    @Parfois1

    The most striking thing about hot lands like Mexico is the lack of joie de vivre.

  84. Brilliant article. Absolutely brilliant.
    Good wars trough development of humanity always solved all problems.
    Bloody Americans had to invent atom bomb.
    Now everybody can have it and so many do. That did eliminate possibility to have a serious war.
    Little skirmishes do not help. We need world war. But how can it be done with all that nuclear weapons around.
    Please Fred figure that one out!!!!!

  85. TKK says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Bullshit.

    It’s the white man’s fault people are too lazy to pick up their trash?

    The Mexicans who build houses here throw their trash down as they finish drinking their Yoo Hoos. Right at their feet. They use the car window as the trash can.

    You ever been to Mexico City? They’ve had paper products there for – oh I don’t know -over 100 years?

    The noble savage… perplexed as to how to throw away his Dorito Bag.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @David
  86. @Ray Huffman

    One third of the remaining Mexicans may want to come here, but I’ll bet that a third of white Americans would love to leave if they only had a safe, white place to move to.

  87. @slobotnavich

    Imagine where the economy of this country would be if Christmas didn’t exist. It has become little more than an orgy of consumption. Jesus would not be happy.

    • Agree: Agent76
  88. @Andrei Martyanov

    We live in a land of lies. The obvious lie of 9/11 destroyed what was left of the country. Now, in my late 60’s, it seems to me that everything they tells us is nothing but lies. The United States was never a great country, only a country to be feared, both from within and without. The sainted Abe Lincoln destroyed the Republic while he was needlessly killing over six hundred thousand Americans. I only hope that our much needed break-up happens before ZioCon-men like John Bolton and Mike Pompeo succeed in blowing up the world.

    • Replies: @Agent76
  89. @Astuteobservor II

    Yang destroyed himself in the last debate. When asked if the candidates support giving free medical care to illegals, Yang put up his hand like all the rest of the zombies. You can’t have UBI and then invite the world to partake. I imagine that many white nationalists are now rethinking being part of the Yang Gang.

    Yang also showed a while back that he is gutless. When asked, he said he was against male circumcision and that he left his two sons intact. When he received pushback from little Ben Shapiro and the Men in Small Hats, he folded like a house of cards and said it was a parental choice. He also said he proudly had once attended a Brit Milah. If Yang can’t stand up to Shapiro on circumcision, how is the man going to go toe to toe with President Putin.

  90. MEH 0910 says:

    after a massive winter storm dumped more than two feet of snow on the city.”)

    Speaking of snow removal, these are pictures of Guadalajara, Mexico……yesterday!

  91. @Ilyana_Rozumova

    Brilliant article. Absolutely brilliant.
    Good wars trough development of humanity always solved all problems.
    Bloody Americans had to invent atom bomb.
    Now everybody can have it and so many do. That did eliminate possibility to have a serious war.
    Little skirmishes do not help. We need world war. But how can it be done with all that nuclear weapons around.
    Please Fred figure that one out!!!!!

    Touché excellent!

  92. Vinnie O says:

    This is the substance of “Brave New World”. The Alphas, a tiny number, come up with all the new ideas. The Betas, folks with well above average IQs, are responsible for making all those Alpha ideas work. The Gammas, ordinary Joes, are a problem because there really isn’t anything useful for them to do, so their entire life is drink beer and beat their wives and collect welfare. Things would be a WHOLE LOT simpler if they just got rid of the Gammas, but nobody’s quite ready to do that yet.

    But in the real world, the government of Nigeria admits that 85% of the country’s population is “excess to current needs”. The country runs on petroleum exports, so ALL of the important stuff is near the coast. EVERYTHING upcountry could disappear tomorrow and NOBODY would notice. So ya might want to check on whether there still IS anyone upcountry from time to time.

    We’re closing in really fast on The Brave New World. I was a Beta on various Government projects most of my adult life, but now I’m retired and “excess to current needs”. There probably isn’t much practical difference between a burnt out Beta and a Gamma who’s “between jobs”. I wonder if they’ll send somebody over to shoot me, or just wait for me to die of Ebola or something?

    • LOL: Father O'Hara
    • Replies: @peterAUS
  93. Of one thing we can be sure: Nobody in power is going to do anything about it–not the government, not businessmen, not corporations (GM just moved 4500 more jobs, I think it was, to Mexico), not the Bezozes or the Zuckerbergs or Wall Street. In the words of the great Reverend McBilly Osfeiser, of the Pure Word and Saturday Night Dumplings Baptist Church, “I say unto ye, Brothels and Cisterns, the End Times is upon us. Grab your shotguns, stock up on sour mash, and barricade the doors. It’s gonna be Hell.”

    In 1972, McGovern was ahead of his times. Do Google McGovern and Negative Income Tax.

  94. @TKK

    It’s the same all over the Third World and I know very well how they behave, in Mexico to wherever. Sure they just throw cans, bottles and everything everywhere – to them it’s just a banana skin. What do you expect? Yes I can blame those who sell such products if they don’t realise that to their customers the packaging is just like a banana or mango skin. Don’t whites realise that those people are not whites and cannot be expected to behave as whites even with regard to waste disposal? So who is responsible for the waste disposal mess in the world? And if it isn’t bad enough that the Third World hasn’t a clue about how to dispose of non-biodegradable waste, Canada goes and exports it to them.

  95. Republic says:
    @Ray Huffman

    The White Mexican elites like to dump their garbage in the US

  96. David says:
    @TKK

    I think Mike’s mostly right. 35 years ago, there was very little litter in Tegucigalpa that wasn’t biodegradable. Soda bottles were half the cost of the soda, so were always returned. Any metal had value as scrap.

    But the reason Hondurans switched to modern plastic packaging is that it’s great at keeping food fresh and bug-free for a very long time. Same reason we all did.

    So I think it’s true that the culture hasn’t caught up to what’s been a sudden change, which is sort of an indictment of the culture. But we in the US didn’t really frown on littering much until the 1970’s.

  97. Anon[424] • Disclaimer says:

    Very intelligent article , the subtitle ” Why We Will Soon Be Eating Each Other ” has made me wonder if we are not already eating up each other .

    The vital cycle has suffered many transformations in the last 100 years , in principle good ones , but with side effects . Just a few decades ago people married young , had children young , women had children , children started to work young . University studies were just for professional and technical minorities . With one salary you could maintain a family , old people died a few years earlier .

    Now people marry late , or don´t marry , have one or two children that have to be supported till their late 20`s or even 30`s despite of having a lot of years of very expensive studies . Even with two salaries is difficult to live nowadays . People live longer , that`s good , but keep retiring in their 60`s like decades ago , so that their children have to pay heavy taxes for an average of around 20 years of retirement of their parents , often in bad health what demands enormous medical expenses .

    So we could say that contemporary workers have to maintain their expensive children and their expensive parents with very high taxes , man and woman have to work and pay confiscatory taxes to maintain the jewels of the socialdemocratic State : education and health , just in their own families , plus social entitlements , the taxes that big corporations do not pay , military expenses ,big government expenses etc… add the millions of inmigrants to the USA-EU that want to profit from euroyankee ” opportunities ” , and the figures , in dollars or euros , do not square up , the Governments issues debt , but even so figures do not square up , and debt will have to be payed up some day one way or another .

    So I wonder if we are already eating up each other , are we dying of succes ? , maybe Fred Reed can ilustrate us with other article on these issues .

  98. @Escher

    Reminds me of an Executive Director of a non-profit traffic safety group in Canada, given a fresh-off-the-press copy of a new “how to drive a car safely” manual from a sponsor. After perusing the contents, he said “Nice cover.”

  99. @Parfois1

    And 26 million “voters” — back then, safe to presume, i suppose — voted for Barry Goldwater. Michael Hoffman’s “The Occult Renaissance Church of Rome” documents the rest.

  100. SafeNow says:

    Fred forgets that ubiquitous, maddening, birdtweet-muffling, caravan-inducing miracle of employment, the leafblower. Oops, I must go, the phone is ringing with yet another phone call from a family-owned contractor business that can do it all and happens to be right in my neighborhood. Signing-off from southern California.

  101. peterAUS says:
    @follyofwar

    When asked if the candidates support giving free medical care to illegals, Yang put up his hand like all the rest of the zombies. You can’t have UBI and then invite the world to partake. I imagine that many white nationalists are now rethinking being part of the Yang Gang.

    Yep.

  102. peterAUS says:
    @Vinnie O

    You are onto something here.
    Especially

    ….they just got rid of the Gammas, but nobody’s quite ready to do that yet.

  103. Logan says:

    Fred did manage to avoid mentioning immigration, legal and illegal, as a contributor to unemployment among Americans.

    He also managed to avoid discussing that the least intelligent have the least utility in the modern marketplace. An IQ point falls out the bottom of society every two or three years.

    (Most) people do not do well when unemployed, even if they have enough money to not be in dire want. This is the greatest challenge we face.

    It was, BTW, the main point of The Bell Curve, from something like 20 years ago. We might be farther along if we had faced the concern seriously then.

    But instead The Bell Curve was successfully demonized by focusing on its single, somewhat peripheral, chapter in which the intersectionality of race and IQ was discussed. Since it’s just a racist tome, no need to deal with the questions it poses.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @S
  104. Republic says:

    Mexico City has one of the world’s biggest landfills, the Nezahualcoyotl dump site which is a fifth the size of Manhattan.

    Garbage can be found everywhere in Mexico City which has very poor trash pickup service.

    Mexicans like to litter and throw trash everywhere. The city has very few public waste disposal baskets,even in upper class areas. In poorer areas of the city such facilities are non existent.

    The pollution in Mexico City is unreal. It has some of the worst traffic jams in the world.

    Pollution is so bad that the city government has a system based on license plates that limits the use of one’s car to only 6 days a week, based on the last digit number of one’s license plate.

    • Agree: TKK
  105. Uslabor says:
    @MBlanc46

    And Mblanc46 can keep all the gringos here

    • Replies: @TKK
  106. peterAUS says:
    @Logan

    (Most) people do not do well when unemployed, even if they have enough money to not be in dire want. This is the greatest challenge we face.

    Depends on who “we” are.

    TPTBs have found the way:drugs, increasing powers of the state (surveillance, appropriate laws and internal policing), incarceration and the last but not the least, endless small/medium scale wars all over the globe.

    If you are a member of the layer from upper middle class up, there is nothing to worry about; on the contrary in fact.
    If you are middle class you hope to….whatever.
    If below….well…hehe….you can always vote for somebody who promises he/she will fix it.Or get drunk/stoned.

    All good.

    • Replies: @Logan
  107. 16 And Isaiah said unto Hezekiah, Hear the word of the Lord.

    17 Behold, the days come, that all that is in thine house, and that which thy fathers have laid up in store unto this day, shall be carried into Babylon: nothing shall be left, saith the Lord.

    18 And of thy sons that shall issue from thee, which thou shalt beget, shall they take away; and they shall be eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon.

    19 Then said Hezekiah unto Isaiah, Good is the word of the Lord which thou hast spoken. And he said, Is it not good, if peace and truth be in my days?

  108. Rich says:
    @Truth

    One question, were you looking in the mirror when you wrote this?

    • Replies: @Truth
  109. @Larchmonter420

    we need and end to capitalism not good wars.

    kill the worker/owner relationship!: let ordinary folk, deplorables take over and become responsible for themselves and society and we will find the solutions

    what war! no more war facetiously and for real. don’t even make fun with war..just let it die and rest in peace

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  110. @Panopticon

    Never having heard this version before, it speaks yards (meters) about war mongering America. Bravo!

  111. `a correction: “to end capitalism not have good wars” even as facetious comments
    no more war

  112. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Dumbo

    “it still can remain on top for quite some time, it’s more likely going to happen as a slow decay than as a big collapse.”

    I agree with the caveat that US aggression might lead to a scenario where the US suffers a catastrophic loss. Then the collapse would come quicker

  113. S says:
    @Logan

    (Most) people do not do well when unemployed, even if they have enough money to not be in dire want. This is the greatest challenge we face.

    There was an interesting 1974 Sean Connery movie called Zardoz which dealt with this subject indirectly. It was about a highly intellectual society set on 2293 Earth.

    While they clearly had the technology to automate everything, such as farming, they didn’t. They also could have had human slaves (‘Brutals’) do all the work should they have desired to do so.

    They instead willfully chose to farm using horse and plow as part of a routine of ‘chores’. Baking bread was all done by hand and communally as well. None of the work was ‘back breaking’, nor was this stated explicitly in the movie, but was simply observable in the background.

    Apparently, as the movie presents it, these intellectuals had thought it was simply healthy to do some physical work fairly often and not simply sit around and do nothing.

    People need to be occupied with something.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zardoz

  114. Agent76 says:
    @follyofwar

    Good post! A man of that time in history had some wise advise for everyone, “Don’t let schooling interfere with your education.” Mark Twain

    Nov 17, 2016 The Truth About The Civil War

    The Civil War was not about freeing the slaves. Lincoln was actually quoted as being abhorrently racist. Get the truth about the Civil War in this episode of Historic Truths w/ Steve R. Pieczenik.

    • Replies: @Rex Little
  115. Truth says:
    @Rich

    No. Reading this site.

    • Replies: @Rich
  116. Sean says:

    What Fred is talking about here is really computing replacing human labour for human purposes, leaving people at a loose end as far as employment goes. Outsourcing will end if automated factories can make things cheaper at home, and the profits will enable a sufficiently high UBI to keep people happy. Society will revert, but if it does go right the way back then remember that hunter gatherers pass much of the day idling, and very happy they are too.

    Where there is the potential for something very unexpected is the existence of an Artificial General Intelligence that has capabilities greatly exceeding what humans’ think it does. That could be 5 or 50 years away. Any number of objectives that a super AGI might have will converge on the necessity to ensure it survives, and humanity would represent the only threat to a super AGI’s existence.

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
  117. The basic tenet of cultural anthropology used to be that minds freed from menial labour through overproduction could aspire to ever higher, heretofore unknown levels of expression.

    Now it seems the law of diminishing returns is back to bite us in the derriére with a vengeance – far from self-actualizing, the feeble minds we have freed must now be nannied around. IOW we have reached saturation (a natural limit) and there is no way in hell this is going to end funny.

    As in Ghostbusters, the only question is which FORM the dieoff will take 😛

    • Replies: @Commentator Mike
    , @S
  118. @follyofwar

    For me personally, he is very, very different than what I am used to when it comes to politicians. He brings data, not just retarded promises. Shapiro’s questions were loaded, he had to be careful. He did very well in that loaded interview.

    Besides, that issue IMO is a non issue. Shapiro was just fishing for attack points for the Jews.

    His main platform is UBI, how to deal with automation, how to deal with the coming disaster that will force millions out of their jobs.

    Everything else are just extras.

    • Replies: @follyofwar
  119. TKK says:
    @Uslabor

    They then come here and litter. Even they admit this.

    I have vacant piece of land. Found someone just dumping their trash on my land. I put on rubber gloves and found some mail. Called the sheriff with address.

    He finds this family, Mexicans with poor English except the kids, and tells them to pick it all up.

    They did. Then drove it to another piece of land and dumped it again. Because the dump in that county costs. The deputy followed them.

    But who cares, right? In a country that has no borders, common language or culture- living in trash seems an apt metaphor.

  120. @Sean

    Ted Kaczynski said it best in his manifesto:

    “As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and as machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more and more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones. Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in effective control. People won’t be able to just turn the machine off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide.”

    • Replies: @Sean
    , @foolisholdman
  121. @nokangaroos

    Ted Kaczynski had something to say about that too in his manifesto:

    “Due to improved techniques the elite will have greater control over the masses; and because human work will no longer be necessary the masses will be superfluous, a useless burden on the system. If the elite is ruthless they may simply decide to exterminate the mass of humanity. If they are humane they may use propaganda or other psychological or biological techniques to reduce the birth rate until the mass of humanity becomes extinct, leaving the world to the elite. Or, if the elite consists of softhearted liberals, they may decide to play the role of good shepherds to the rest of the human race. They will see
    to it that everyone’s physical needs are satisfied, that all children are raised under psychologically hygienic conditions, that everyone has a wholesome hobby to keep him busy, and that anyone who may become dissatisfied undergoes “treatment” to cure his “problem.” “

    • Replies: @S
  122. Humans are not evolved from monkeys, as anyone with even a basic biological knowledge could tell the author. Humans and monkeys independently evolved from a common prosimian ancestor, their lines splitting about 15 million years ago.

  123. @TKK

    Since the white nations make an industry of exporting their rubbish to non-white South East Asian countries, they hardly have any right to pretend outrage.

    • Replies: @jeff stryker
  124. @Fiendly Neighbourhood Terrorist

    FRIENDLY

    I think most Southeast Asian countries prefer moneyed, educated Western men who invest heavily in the economy and feed entire villages through marriages to local women as oppose to Pakistani or Muslim Indians who arrive poorer than even the locals, cannot do a job other than working a Kebab stand, are illegal for years and sometimes pedal in drugs.

    Pakistanis, for example, are not wanted anywhere. From London to Pattaya you’ll hear people complaining about them-spitting beetle nut and pan everywhere, smelling bad, grooming children, getting into fights. They have no money, no intelligence, no morals and nothing but an arrogant bad attitude.

    Take a survey.

    • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
  125. PJ London says:

    ‘No more non-work can be hidden under the bed or stuffed behind the sofa cushions.’
    You are forgetting TSA and Mall guards. Which brings one to wonder why we require police at all.

    “We must do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living.
    We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian-Darwinian theory, he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living.”
    ~Buckminster Fuller Circa 1935

  126. Truth3 says:

    In the late 70’s early 80’s those of us engaged in Factory Automation would often discuss what would happen to the Middle Class when enough ‘work/jobs’ had been automated out of existence.

    Of course, computer automation dwarfs the mechanical variety.

    But offshoring dwarfed all of it.

    In the movie ‘Chernobyl’ they refer to “bio-robots”. Men with lead vests and tongs or shovels.

    The Chinese “Bio-Robots” (workers) have given the capitalists their ultimate solution on the electro-mechanical front.

    Citizens of the USA never gave a damn about each other, in the way homogeneous societies did… Germany after 1933 for example.

    Because of this, don’t expect Americans to finally get wise and band together now.

  127. S says:
    @nokangaroos

    As in Ghostbusters, the only question is which FORM the dieoff will take 😛

    That’s a good question, though I think ‘kill off’ might be the better term.

    World War III would offer convenient cover and ‘plausible deniability’ for those power elites and hangers on who’ve long been hinting at ‘500 million’ as the ideal global population figure.

    Ideal for them naturally, not so much for the seven billion or so ‘surplus’.

    With a war they’ve got all the means necessary to accomplish this end, ie nuclear, biological, chemical, toss in artificially induced regional famine for good measure…and ‘viola’!

    Meanwhile, if the stories be true, super wealthy types and ‘select’ associates and friends have been preparing places to bug out to down south in places like New Zealand, South America, and the South Pacific. It’s said they’ve been constructing bomb proof shelters deep underground, you know the sort that are well stocked with a ten year supply of food and water, air filtration, and plentiful entertainment facilities, where it is surmised they can safely wait out events.

    They’ve been conditioning humanity that WWIII is an inescapable and unavoidable portion of man’s future for many decades now.

    And, before it’s all said and done, we (the ones left alive that is) might well see formerly great cities such as New York and Washington DC in ruins, just as we were conditioned to expect to see from past apocalyptic Hollywood movies.

  128. S says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Interesting. One wonders if Kazinsky hadn’t snuck out of his Montana cabin one night and seen the 1976 movie Network. 😉

    We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that perfect world in which there’s no war or famine, oppression or brutality — one vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock, all necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused.

    https://americanrhetoric.com/MovieSpeeches/moviespeechnetwork4.html

  129. @Agent76

    The Civil War was not about freeing the slaves.

    Perhaps not, but that’s how it was sold to the public at the time. Consider the line from the third verse of Battle Hymn of the Republic: “As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.”

    Lincoln was actually quoted as being abhorrently racist.

    Abhorrently racist from the perspective of today’s SJWs, but hardly so for his time.

  130. Logan says:
    @peterAUS

    None of this sounds to me like “doing well.”

    YMMV

  131. @jeff stryker

    What about Malaysia, where it’s the other way around, where Tamil Hindus are considered despicable, and despised. The poor Indians in Malaysia and Singapore are 95 percent Tamil Hindus who came as indentured labourers during the British administration of the Island, when Malaya was a protectorate. They afford Muslim Indians (mamaks are they are called) the same rights as the Malays, including burial grounds, and the whole shebang. There isn’t even a noticable presence of Indians full stop in Thailand when I visited Bangkok and Phuket. Much less Muslim. The Muslims you see there are native Thai muslims and they are doing just as fine as their co-ethnic counterparts

  132. @Astuteobservor II

    Perhaps circumcision is a non-issue for those genitally disfugured men who claim to have not been harmed by it. But, then again, they could just be in Denial. Sigmund Freud said that circumcision is at the heart of anti-Semitism.

    • Replies: @Astuteobservor II
  133. @follyofwar

    When it comes to millions being forced out of their jobs, I find it extremely hard to care about the Jews. This is not about Jews.

    Why are you trying to make it so? It is just a single answer in a hour-long interview.

  134. Amon says:
    @Anonymous

    You forgot the fact that the vast majority of westerners don’t actually attend their own national universities or colleges despite getting bled dry for millions in tax payer money to keep those places running.

  135. Sean says:
    @Commentator Mike

    Samuel Butler the Victorian literary critic said it all that and more 1n 1868 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_among_the_Machines

    Ted said

    Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in effective control. People won’t be able to just turn the machine off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide

    If “people won’t be able to just turn the machine off”, I suppose that first and foremost that stems from the rivalries between great powers, which are the real reason that the whole world will keep on doing the same thing. You cannot look at what global humanity will do without taking into account that they are organised into rival countries/ bloks and they all want to achieve security by any means necessary including having superior technology.

    Security is a scarce commodity that not all can have, because for one to have it, others must totally lose it and so no one cannot get out of the AI race. Natural selection seems to be the way of the world, economically, politically, biologically and geopolitically, but always with “diminishing returns” assessments. So contrary to what intellectuals tend to think, the entities known as states tend to not tear each other to pieces, being content to maintain or establish a reasonable measure of security. War is a last resort.

    American humans cannot be controlled by anything that can not just kill them all off, and use the threat to enslave them. Up until very recently the only conceivable entity fitting such a bill was a rival country such as China. whose power we can gauge moment to moment. We can also be pretty sure that even if it became powerful enough to do it China will not come to the conclusion that it must as a precautionary measure destroy everyone else, because that would be very risky for them and as humans they can live with a little insecurity. Also countries tend to have groups of dissenters that hamstring major initiatives such as a first strike. America did not follow John von Neumann and Bertrand Russell’s proposal for a nuclear strike, or the threat of one, to prevent the Soviets acquiring the atomic bomb.

    A common assumption is that high intelligence entails a “nerdy” unaggressive personality. However, there are the few precedents to guide an understanding of what pure non-anthropocentric rationality would dictate in the superintelligent AI that finds itself in a very insecure position of being switched off any time humans feel like it. It is a very stupid assumption to think that humans are so needlessly violent and warlike and in the thrall of venal elites that a superintelligent AI would be less inclined to go to war than, eg Nazi Germany. Crucially the state system had evolved to deal with countries like Nazi Germany or a future mega state China because their decision making and war making processes are of the same type as those they attack.

    Also, we know China is here and what it can do, while a super AI might well conceal its full capabilities and thus its being in existence as what it was. The indications are an entity with the relatively unlimited means of superintelligent AI might well have an analysis along different lines to a country like China or America. Far from being terribly warlike and aggressive, countries are have “diminishing returns” assessments that confer a basic aversion to risk. Moreover, an AI would not have any internal dissent in the decision making process like a country, but rather have a profoundly unified will. I think as soon as there is an AI that can formulate strategies on its own account and develop its own technology generations beyond contemporaneous human cutting edge, then it will likely go all out for its own security.

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  136. Punisher says:

    I agree with FOE 100%. I would like to leave America next year but have not decided what country to go to. I don’t like America anymore. It is changed so much for the worse. It is not the same country I grew up in.

  137. Rich says:
    @Truth

    You’re not big on self reflection, are you? It’s a common fault, a “stereotype”, of your people. But at least if the dems win, you can look forward to a big “reparations” payout, right?

  138. Anonymous [AKA "Artemas"] says:

    While I think the student loan scam made money for banks, it really has made TONS of money for colleges and universities – which took advantage of the dumb kids who borrowed the money, by raising tuition multiple times – which, in turn, has never been seriously questioned by anyone.
    The student loan business was never a major line of business for most banks. But, it certainly has been for colleges and universities…………

  139. @Parfois1

    My only quibble is about that “wealth from workers” . Where is that proletariat heaven where workers have any wealth to speak of – unless you mean their modest retirement pensions already in the hands of the management funds.

    All the wealth there has ever been has been made by people working. (Apart, of course the wealth which was given us by Nature, but even that had/has to be somehow caught or found before it can make anyone wealthy.) The “Wealth” the Workers sell to the employer is their work, their lives, their time. What they get for the money they are paid is someone else’s time and work.

    Politicians and dictionaries regularly confuse wealth and money, though they are really and obviously different. The Pharaohs were fabulously wealthy, long before money was invented. Wealth is real goods and real services, money is tokens which can be intrinsically worthless, paper or bits in a computer or numbers in a banker’s ledger.

    Sorry I can’t point you to the place where the proletariat has real hands-on control of their wealth! It looks to me as though China just might be moving in that direction but it is too early to say.

    Hope that make it a bit clearer.

    • Replies: @Parfois1
  140. @ben sampson

    Amen! But it will not happen of itself and organising it will be (Ahem!) difficult.

  141. @Commentator Mike

    The Crunch-point will come when the Artificial super intelligence becomes self-aware, conscious. After that, all bets are off.

    As far as I know, no one has yet worked out what “consciousness” is. My feeling is that it is some sort of negative feedback loop, but what do I know?

  142. @Sean

    American humans cannot be controlled by anything that can not just kill them all off, and use the threat to enslave them.

    It looks to me as though American humans are being controlled by a very small group of other humans who have taken control of the means of distributing information to and by the American humans. The result of the distribution of false information and suppression of a lot of genuine information is that a great proportion of the AHs think that they are being threatened with being killed off or enslaved by other countries which have no such ambitions.

    Samuel Butler also wrote two novels on the subject called “Erewhon” and “Erewhon Revisited”

    • Replies: @foolisholdman
  143. Parfois1 says:
    @foolisholdman

    Thank you, my fault. I forgot the wealth (value added) that is appropriated by the boss/owner. Well, we know where that ends up.

  144. @foolisholdman

    I made a mistake there. The remark about Samuel Butler’s novels was meant to be part of my reply to Sean 143, but obviously he knew that anyway, so two mistakes.

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