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Time: “You have a bunch of bad hombres down there,” Trump told Peña Nieto, according to the excerpt given to AP. “You aren’t doing enough to stop them. I think your military is scared. Our military isn’t, so I just might send them down to take care of it.”

With Trump it is difficult to tell bluster and carney-barker showmanship from serious consideration or actual intention. While clearly a threat, the remark may have been intended only to intimidate, and the ascription of cowardice to the Mexican army only ill-bred. Trump’s military record leaves no doubt as to his own courage. Given his administration’s threats of military action–war–against China and Iran, the possibility that he will send troops southward may be worth pondering. Whether the President has the faintest idea of what would be involved in very much worth pondering.

If troops are sent, what will they face in Mexico? What would they do? How many would they be?

To begin with, the narcos look exactly like everybody else in Mexico. They do not carry ID cards saying “Narcotraficante.” They can easily blend into the general population. If GIs try to operate here, the inability to distinguish narcos from everybody else will quickly lead to intense frustration. Frustrated troops become angry. They begin to hate the locals as in all such wars they hated the dinks, gooks, slopes, zipperheads, sand niggers, and rag-heads. Mexicans will begin to seem treacherous to them, as always happens when US troops go to countries they do not understand. All Mexicans will come under suspicion.

Soldiers, being young, usually not too bright, poorly educated, with no experience of other cultures, will start knocking people around. It always happens. Always. It is exactly what happened in Viet Nam, Laos, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia. There will be beatings, people slapped about, mistaken raids with the man of the house handcuffed, thrown to the floor, and humiliated in front of his wife. This is what happens when when you chase will-o-the-wisp narcos or terrs or mujaheddin or VC or commies on the basis of shaky information from unreliable sources with agendas of their own.

American forces will be called “advisers” or maybe “trainers” by the Pentagon, but Mexicans will see them as invaders. Since the Mexican constitution forbids the deployment of foreign forces in the country, they will indeed be invaders, although the Mexican government will be pressured into “inviting” them.. No country well tolerates arrogant, blundering, heavy-handed alien myrmidons with the power to push them around. GIs will not be regarded as friends or saviors.

Drug territory, Sierra Madre. Dense cover, fog, enormous rocks, steep escarpments. Phredfoto.

Drug territory, Sierra Madre. Dense cover, fog, enormous rocks, steep escarpments. Phredfoto.

Much of the narco culture springs from the Sierra Madre Occidental, very rough mountainous land traversed by trails and dirt roads that the narcos know well and GIs never will. People here are tough, leading lives harder than any in modern America. For many of them the drug trade is a miraculous thing allowing them more than a very hard-scrabble existence. American troops bumbling about here would accomplish nothing. The Pentagon, again, would rely on drone operators with no way of knowing who they were killing.

Many of the narcos are in cities, such as Culiacán, capital of Sinaloa, home of the Sinaloa cartel. What do foreign troops do in a large busy city?

To make things worse, much worse, the narcos are neither helpless nor poorly armed. They have AKs, RPGs. They have years of experience in combat, with each other or the Mexican army. They are skilled at ambushes. When you look exactly like the rest of the population, and the American soldiers look like space aliens, they are easy to ambush. The American reaction to a few dead GIs will be hysterical. The narcos will use ambushes in populated areas to make troops fire wildly, killing children, grandmothers, young women. This will turn the country further against the invaders. Not nice, but effective.

The US will rely on its new toys, drones, and on helicopters to try to compensate for the fact that Mexico is a huge country with lots of very nasty terrain. Drone operators don’t know who they are shooting at. This means that, as always happens, always, they will kill a lot of innocent people. The American media will suppress the these killings, as they do in America’s other invasions, but the Mexicans will know. The military doesn’t care as long as killings do not result in bad publicity. The Trump administration will refer to these slaughters as “isolated incidents.” An isolated incident is business as usual that has been detected.

It takes very little killing of innocents to generate hatred. The public will regard the invaders as worse than the narcos and withhold cooperation, which will make the invaders yet more angry. Further, cooperating with the US will be dangerous. The narcos respond very badly to such things. The Mexican army will be compelled by the US to assist the invaders but will be unenthusiastic. Soon the Americans will be complaining that they are getting little help in what the GIs will be told is a campaign to help Mexico.,

Northern Mexico. You actually find towns and homes in and around this sort of landscape. Phredfoto.

Northern Mexico. You actually find towns and homes in and around this sort of landscape. Phredfoto.

This too is routine and inevitable. In all of its invasions, in Southeast Asia, in Iraq, in Afghanistan, the Pentagon makes a show of training local forces to “defend their countries,” to stand up and fight whatever it is that the United-States doesn’t like. This means encouraging, or forcing, citizens of a country to kill other citizens of the same country. Only the Pentagon could be surprised when this works poorly. Picture China’s invading the US and forcing Virginians to fight Texans. And so in country after country the Americans complain about the indigenous army, of its poor fighting quality, low morale, desertion, payrolls padded with ghost soldiers, theft of weapons, and troops going over to the enemy.

Mexico is very large, about 2000 miles across the northern border and about 1200 driving miles from Laredo to Tuxtla Gutierrez. Much of it is godawful for infantry operations. Necessarily the troops will be able to operate only in small parts of the country. The narcos will easily go around them. Since a small number of troops will accomplish nothing, there will be calls for more troops.

In short, a few GIs will be pointless. Large numbers will be pointless while killing large numbers of people and reducing yet another country to chaos. Maybe it isnl’t a really bright idea.

Fred can be reached at [email protected] Put the letters “pdq” in the subject line to avoid autodelation. Replies usually not possible due to volume, not bad manners..

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  1. Marcus says:

    the AP story turned out to be fake news, just as I said it was. As none other than Jake Tapper of CNN, hardly a Trump fan, reported a few hours later:

    “According to an excerpt of the transcript of the call with Peña Nieto provided to CNN, Trump said, ‘You have some pretty tough hombres in Mexico that you may need help with. We are willing to help with that big-league, but they have be knocked out and you have not done a good job knocking them out.’

    “Trump made an offer to help Peña Nieto with the drug cartels. The excerpt of the transcript obtained by CNN differs with an official internal readout of the call that wrongly suggested Trump was contemplating sending troops to the border in a hostile way.

    “The Associated Press report said Trump threatened to send US troops to stop criminals in Mexico unless the government did more to control them, but both the US and Mexican governments denied details from the story. Sources described the AP’s reporting as being based upon a readout – written by aides – not a transcript.”

    • Replies: @KenH
    , @Albert Hazread
  2. People here are tough, leading lives harder than any in modern America.

    Having sympathies for the cartels is pretty far-reaching, Mr. Reed.

  3. Randal says:

    If troops are sent, what will they face in Mexico? What would they do? How many would they be?

    If the US regime were to send US troops into Mexico (I’m not saying it would be a good idea necessarily), here’s a recent (actually rehashed from 2009) suggestion by someone with directly relevant military and political experience as to how it might actually be done:

    JSOC appears to be running out of “high value targets,” in the places where they have been used so successfully. They can continue in places like Yemen and Somalia but they should be given something really useful to fo.

    I suggest that they should be unleashed on the Mexican drug cartels. Kill or capture. Kill or capture. Those should be the instructions. The legal niceties could be “cleaned up” through arrest or execution warrants. On the other hand, maybe that is not necessary if recent history is a guide.

    I suggest a special federal court for this purpose.

    This is not irony. These druggies deserve that we should send them “the very best.”

    JSOC and the Mexican drug lords.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Veritatis
  4. “With Trump it is difficult to tell bluster and carney-barker showmanship from serious consideration or actual intention.”

    In this case, it’s clearly bluster. What chance is there of Trump sending troops to Mexico.

    It’s just meant as an insult to Mexican government that seem incapable of maintaining order in some parts of Mexico.

    But then, what has the US government done to control the hellholes of Detroit?
    And what has the US military made of Iraq, Libya, and Somalia?

  5. pyrrhus says:

    Trump was putting you on, Fred. Trump doesn’t look a bit like Woodrow Wilson…..

  6. Rurik says:

    legalize the stuff and financially emasculate the cartels

    they’ll be forced to killing each other for the dwindling lucre

    once it’s legal here, we can regulate it and tax it and use the proceeds to imprison anyone who gives it to children.

    also just stopping the CIA’s heroin trafficking operation in Afghanistan will go a long way towards ending the nascent and burgeoning heroin catastrophe with young people today

    if Mexico wants some assistance with killing some of the really bad hombres down there, then they can ask for it. But the best solution is to build the ‘wall’ (a symbolic reference to controlling the border) and keep all the bad hombres (and their drugs) out.

  7. Bluster or not if this bizarre scenario plays out we simply must annex or in some fashion glom onto Baja. Surfing, fishing, hundreds of miles of beach, what a prize.

    • Replies: @athEIst
  8. Wise and well written piece. Thank you.

    The only other thing to emphasize is that it would cost a whole lot of taxpayer money, some of which would have to be borrowed from China.

  9. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Agree. With geographical proximity, NSA surveilance and miniaturized drones, the cartels could be subject to a kind of “permanent decapitation.” No need to ask permission, explain anything or even send anyone.

    • Replies: @Manchurian Take Out
  10. I am, like you, Fred, a combat veteran of Vietnam. If our “enemy” had the same resources that we had (gunships, bombers, etc.), they would have kicked our ass out of their country in a matter of weeks. I read the Pentagon Papers and it stated that 75% of the time that they were the ones who intiated ambushes. In 1965, they knew (McNamara) that we would not win the war.
    Sending American troops into Mexico would end up as you have described, a collosal fuck up and that is not to mention the chaos that it would forment within our borders.

  11. Anonymous [AKA "ThinkOutOfTheBox"] says:

    I have a great idea!
    If Mexico is so in need of some powerful foreign army to go to Mexico to help erradicate the bad hombres, then by all means, invite them!
    The Chinese would be happy to help.
    A big, nice Chinese military base in northern Mexico would be welcome, from which chinese jets could safeguard the Mexican skies, denying the bad hombres the use of airspace.
    A line of listening positions and observation points along the border would surely help track those bad hombres and their drug shipments. But most importantly, sharing all kinds of intelligence with the new helpful Chinese friends, about who enters and leaves the country through the northern border, would greatly help to outsmart those mean drug smuglers.
    Of course, if that doesn’t stop the bad hombres, then, finally accept the help of another big military. The Russians will be glad to set up a military base close to the Mexicanorthern border too.
    Good thing is, the big northern neighbor will applaud these developments that will finally stop all those drugs from reaching the hands of all those millions of innocent paying customers of illegal drugs. At least until those drugs become legal and the american public, logically, finally stops consuming them.
    Best of all, Mexico will pay for those Chinese and Russian bases.

  12. TheJester says:


    On the sauce again? Mexico is invading the United States and the United States needs to respond. It’s a simple concept. If not a wall, then troops on the border. If that doesn’t work, then troops across the border.

    Even Gustavo Arellano, the Unz Review’s own Ask a Mexican, understands the dynamics at play. As he stated (not so tongue-in-cheek) on February 2nd in his response to, “Why Don’t They (Americans) Understand Illegal Immigration?”

    Let Trump build his wall. It’s going to fail and embarrass him. And even if it succeeds, it’ll create a revolution in Mexico, which means millions of refugees will easily tear down that wall and settle in Aztlán once and for all.

    As Arellano suggests, the United States is currently acting as a sump to bleed off the masses of Mexico’s unemployed (primarily uneducated Campesinos). It is also acting as a sump for refugees from social unrest in Central America. In short, Mexico and Central America are exporting their social problems to El Norte … and Mexico is the key conspirator in these migrant flows. As Arellano sees it, if the US cuts off the flow, there will be a revolution in Mexico followed by social anarchy. Then, according to Arellano, even larger masses of Mexico’s unemployed will invade El Norte and the wall won’t stop them.

    If that’s the threat, then in self-defense the United States needs to take concrete action to ensure that this does not happen … either through the current ongoing stream of immigrants or as the Arellano-conceived “flash mob” of the border and the border states. Trump is starting to take that concrete action.

    I’ve often thought that, in taking military action against external threats, the United States should have left MENA alone. What a waste of money and resources! Instead, as a minimum, it should have addressed the real threats and invaded El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras … and reconstructed their broken societies on the model of Germany and Japan after WWII. The Mexican military option would depend on Mexico’s cooperation in closing the border with the United States to stop the remaining migrant flows. The action need not be broad. A buffer zone south of the border would do just fine.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Joe Franklin
  13. Don’t get involved in other peoples’ problems. Put up the wall as the alternative to interfering in and making the situation worse for everyone. It’s sad that Mexico doesn’t fix things for its own people, but instead uses the United States as a safety valve to avoid responsibility for addressing economic and public safety needs.

    It’s a recognition of human failure that leads to the wall, a sad monument to freedom being extinguished by irresponsibility.

    • Replies: @bomag
  14. Your best piece Fred. You described our invasion tactics and the ensuing madness to a tee. (Though I do believe that Trump was just blustering and shouldn’t be taken literally).

  15. Anonymous [AKA "Planctom"] says:

    believe me, central americans are NOT like japanese or germans.

    • Agree: bomag
    • Replies: @Wally
  16. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    They still read and comment this, so there’s going to be more of this on this site.

    Annoying; but then, American WASPs are over-tolerant, or they wouldn’t be where they are now.

  17. TheJester says:

    El Salvador, Honduras, and Guatemala are failed states plagued by gang violence. Gangs are the problem and gang violence is driving a large percentage of their populations to El Norte (and the gangs follow them).

    Criminal youth gangs dominate life in El Salvador; an estimation of at least 60,000 young people belong to gangs. El Salvador experiences some of the highest murder rates in Latin America; it is also considered an epicenter of the gang crisis, along with Guatemala and Honduras.

    The United States either addresses the gang violence at the source in, let’s say, El Salvador … or, it finds it has to address it in Long Island of all places.

    They Keep Finding Bodies: Gang Violence in Long Island Town Fuels Immigration Debate

    • Replies: @bomag
  18. @TheJester

    You forgot to mention that Mexican government allows the smuggling of lots of illegal drugs coming into the US from Mexico.

    It’s likely the Mexican government gets a cut of the drug profits, in exchange for lax enforcement of smuggling laws.

    This fact alone is enough justification to build a wall.

    If a wall can’t stop the illegal drug flow, then a limited tactical invasion seems more likely.

    Mexico is also a conduit for non-Mexican illegals to enter the US, including ISIS terrorist.

    • Replies: @fitzGetty
  19. Clearly, Mexico has been taking advantage of the U.S. by funneling both good and bad immigrants here illegally. When invaders (used non-pejoratively) make up only a very small percentage of your population, it is a good thing (e.g. Mexican restaurants), but once it gets too big, the people start to notice.

    If Mexico doesn’t want a wall, and for its citizens to be repatriated, it should not have let it get to this point.

  20. Veritatis says:

    I didn’t like, in general, the “tone” of the article (which mirrors the coverage the leak received from the Mexican media) because it is based on a misrepresentation of the actual conversation Trump-Peña. Same with the conversation with the Australian PM. But the feelings expressed are widely held.

    As to the strategy in the drug war “kill and capture”, it has been tried with partial, temporary success. The Mexican marines do it, to the horror of the human rights organization, when they find out. They even receive cautious help from US Seals. But the problem is complicated because of fractionalization of the territory and the interplay between factions. (I’m assuming you already understand something of the problem). Locals rumor that two of the big cartels, Los Zetas and del Golfo are backed by two ruling party heavyweights, one incumbent, one emeritus, that otherwise can share the spoils of, say, the energy sector privatization. Ruling invisible elites (factions or networks) are tough to battle.

    • Replies: @Randal
  21. Fred Reed’s open, naked admiration for the drug cartels is remarkable. It would be one thing if these guys were running drugs and behaving themselves within Mexico. But leaving rivals and witnesses beheaded and hanging from highway overpasses does not exactly qualify as that. Fred clearly has some mental issues to sort through, starting with his visceral hatred for the country of his birth.

    • Replies: @Son of Dixie
  22. mtn cur says:

    Like most in D C, Trump confuses his narrow ball to brain ratio with being a tough guy. Takes guts to send jobless brain fried public school victims to get their ass shot off someplace they have no business. Just ask Oh Sambo/Bush. When the two faced jerks called conservatives cough up their regurgitated Oh Sambo care, they should include tracking for chronic O D cases so that the emergency room can push em out in the hall and call the morgue around the second or third time around. Darwins law is like the Border Patrol, you have to get out of the way and let it do its job.

    • Replies: @Talha
    , @mtn cur
    , @Che Guava
  23. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    Trump should shame Mexico by asking, “how come you guys suck so bad at everything that you wanna flee your own country and wanna come to America? why can’t you do what we’ve done?”

  24. Svigor says:


    Fred Reed is a leftist (libertardians are leftists) Mexican patriot, so naturally he’s more het up about a bit of sabre-rattling from Trump against Mexico, than he is about a leftist Mexican politician subverting domestic American politics and running a Mexican presidential campaign on US soil (to say nothing of the race-replacement of patriotic American demographics with anti-American Mexican hordes):

    What I can’t figure out is why anyone who isn’t a leftist takes this doddering old clown seriously.

    • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
  25. Svigor says:

    legalize the stuff and financially emasculate the cartels

    Because legal opiates have been so good for American citizens so far…

    I am, like you, Fred, a combat veteran of Vietnam. If our “enemy” had the same resources that we had (gunships, bombers, etc.), they would have kicked our ass out of their country in a matter of weeks.

    If wishes were horses, beggars would ride.

    Even Gustavo Arellano


  26. Talha says:
    @mtn cur

    Hey mtncur,

    Good points. Someone posted something about using JSOC to eliminate drug cartels:

    I suggest that they should be unleashed on the Mexican drug cartels. Kill or capture. Kill or capture. Those should be the instructions.

    Based on what intelligence? The one fed by drug cartel A to help eliminate drug cartels B and C?

    Something in my gut (might just be the yogurt and granola) tells me CIA finally figured out the game is far too lucrative to be left out of the cut (maybe it’s time to help one of the cartels get top billing – for the right price); your take?


    • Replies: @Anon
  27. Anon • Disclaimer says:

    I quite agree; the caveat being that the fellow upthread was quoting, not necessarily giving his own opinions.

    Like others have said, the Mexican government (corrupt, yes, but, like you said, they’re not going to stop being corrupt when US troops show up) has already been doing this for the last ten years, the result being what we have today.

    Here’s an article about how well that strategy has worked out in the past: .

    • Replies: @Randal
  28. @Daniel Chieh


    Dude. Be for real.

    Only the “Allowed Opposition” get the Unz shekels.


  29. mtn cur says:
    @mtn cur

    Government agencies down to the local level consider keeping the left cheek from knowing where the right is sitting, to be the height of virtue, given that keeping all clueless is the foremost means of insuring plausible deniability. Still, there are innumerable businesses using the legends of government malfeasance as an eternal bait and switch, with neither end of the chain of command knowing what is happening in the middle. If the clowns in question are busted, some will be pissed for being made to look dirty , or stupid, whereas others will plot revenge for not being offered a piece. Given all the clap trap on need to know etc, how does an agency whose stock in trade is lying, cheating and stealing prevent the rank and file from doing what they are paid to do?

  30. Consider Fred a full on turncoat of the lowest order. He has betrayed his nation and has betrayed his race. His (((wife))) and himself are subversive enemies of the US. He uses this little corner of the internet to attack our President and make excuses for the Mexican government.
    Perhaps Fred s trying to curry favor with the wife so she will stop being unfaithful.

    • Replies: @Tabasco Jack
    , @holbylta
  31. @Bragadocious

    When the Wall goes up we should all be thankful Fred and his sidekick (((wife))) will be on the opposite side.

  32. What Trump’s ‘Great Wall’ Misses

    Many Latin Americans are fleeing the poverty and repression that arise from US interventions and policies.

    Instead of invading or building a “Great Wall,” it would be so much cheaper, so much easier, so much more humane – to just stop overthrowing or destabilizing governments south of the border

    . . .The particularly severe increase in Honduran migration to the U.S. in recent years is a direct result of the June 28, 2009 military coup that overthrew the democratically-elected president, Manuel Zelaya, after he did things like raising the minimum wage, giving subsidies to small farmers, and instituting free education. The coup – like so many others in Latin America – was led by a graduate of Washington’s infamous School of the Americas.

    . . .The State Department was virtually alone in the Western Hemisphere in not unequivocally condemning the Honduran coup. Indeed, the Obama administration refused to even call it a coup, which, under American law, would tie Washington’s hands as to the amount of support it could give the coup government.

    This denial of reality continued to exist even though a U.S. embassy cable released by Wikileaks in 2010 declared:

    “There is no doubt that the military, Supreme Court and National Congress conspired on June 28 [2009] in what constituted an illegal and unconstitutional coup against the Executive Branch.”

    Washington’s support of the far-right Honduran government has continued ever since.

    In addition to Honduras, Washington overthrew progressive governments which were sincerely committed to fighting poverty in Guatemala and Nicaragua; while in El Salvador the U.S. played a major role in suppressing a movement striving to install such a government. And in Mexico, over the years the U.S. has been providing training, arms, and surveillance technology to Mexico’s police and armed forces to better their ability to suppress their own people’s aspirations, as in Chiapas in 1994, and this has added to the influx of the oppressed to the United States, irony notwithstanding.

    Moreover, Washington’s North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) has brought a flood of cheap, subsidized U.S. agricultural products into Mexico, ravaging campesino communities and driving many Mexican farmers off the land when they couldn’t compete with the giant from the north. The subsequent Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA) brought the same joys to the people of that area. . .

    • Replies: @Santoculto
    , @bomag
  33. “Get out of your dirty hands from my wife!1!! You already have that Slovenian doll!”

    Mexico invading USA via mass immigration and “integration”: Yes we can.

  34. @DocHollywood


    USA (or Russians) is behind Brazil and Argentina political “changes’??

  35. bomag says:
    @Fran Macadam

    It’s sad that Mexico doesn’t fix things for its own people, but instead uses the United States as a safety valve to avoid responsibility for addressing economic and public safety needs

    It is even sadder that the US does not fix things for its own people, and is rapidly replacing them with foreigners.

  36. bomag says:

    Yes, please, less intervention; but your calls for policy change is a receding horizon: another “shock” reliably arises that keeps them in poverty and relative chaos, and sends people our way. It is baked in.

  37. Randal says:

    the caveat being that the fellow upthread was quoting, not necessarily giving his own opinions

    Exactly so. My point was only to show what US military intervention against the cartels might actually look like by quoting a man who has directly relevant experience – a background in US special forces and senior military intelligence. Reed (apart from, as others have pointed out, quoting an inaccurate transcript) was creating his own straw man caricature of what a US military intervention would be, in order to unfairly lampoon Trump with it.

    Fwiw, I personally wouldn’t expect any real benefits to flow from a JSOC involvement, for reasons including those set out in that excellent Cockburn piece you linked.

  38. Chill, Señor Fred. Ain’t nobody going to invade Mexico.

    On the other hand, if all the Mexicans currently in America illegally get mad and go home, it would look like the biggest invasion in human history.

    But, alas and alack! they aren’t going to do that. Millions of Mexicans have voted with their feet, saying that the insane hellhole called America is way better than Mexico.

  39. Randal says:

    I share your dislike of the article – there are many ways to criticise Trump (just as for any senior political figure), but here Reed not only quotes an inaccurate transcript but also creates a caricature of what a US military intervention would likely look like in order to lampoon Trump with it.

    Not one of his best pieces, imo.

    As regards the proposed intervention, see the Cockburn article linked by Anon above (The Kingpin Strategy) for a good discussion of some of the basic problems with the approach (the ones you referred to as “fractionalization of the territory and the interplay between factions”), on top of the other ones you highlighted of top level corruption and complicity.

    • Replies: @wrd9
    , @Veritatis
  40. fitzGetty says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    … at Acapulco: 17 severed human heads were rolled onto the dance floor …

  41. fitzGetty says:
    @Joe Franklin

    … it is safe for us to stay at fewer and fewer Mex coastal resorts … Cancun/no … PV/no … Acapulco/ no no no …

  42. bomag says:

    The linked NYTs article reads like a parody: crying for more police protection; criticizing the police for targeting Latinos; calling for more immigrants from the home country to expand the beachhead…

    “I am afraid, as a Salvadoran,” said Ana, 38, a mother of two girls, one in high school. She fled El Salvador in 2006 and has since become a member of Make the Road New York, an immigrant activist group. She did not want to give her full name for fear of retribution.

    “It makes me feel bad that people think this of all Salvadorans,” she said. “Violence was the reason I left — when they killed my brother. And now we are experiencing the same violence.”

    Distrust of the Suffolk County police among Latinos is palpable and long documented. Residents said they were dismayed by a dearth of Spanish-speaking officers…

    The unexamined life uber alles.

  43. Agent76 says:

    Feb 3, 2017 How Trump Filled The Swamp

    With promises to “drain the swamp!” still ringing in our ears, we have watched Trump appoint nothing but Goldman banksters, Soros stooges, neocon war hawks and police state zealots to head his cabinet.

  44. KenH says:

    That’s right and I understand Trump merely offered U.S. assistance to Mexico in the drug war and in no war threatened an invasion. But Fred will use whatever version casts Trump in the worst possible light because Trump wants to build a wall and deport illegal aliens, the majority of whom are Fred’s dearly beloved mestizos.

  45. You’ve been played Fred. The U.S. is not going to invade Mexico.

  46. Agent76 says:

    Nov 14, 2016 #NotMyPresident? Take the #ClintonPledge!

    Do you have the sinking feeling that democracy is not what it’s cracked up to be? Do you insist that Trump is #NotMyPresident? Well don’t despair, get active. Take the #ClintonPledge, and pass it along to your friends. It may not be as scary as you think.

  47. e says:

    This is the first time I’ve read you, Fred.

    Are you employed by CNN? The DNC, perhaps? Maybe MSNBC?

  48. Rurik says:

    It is even sadder that the US does not fix things for its own people, and is rapidly replacing them with foreigners.

    how can you blame them?

    the white working class is deplorable and irredeemable, ‘lazy and decadent’ –

    reminds me of a sentiment expressed by Kristol’s buddy, and they guy he wanted to run against Trump for president, David French:

    “The truth about these dysfunctional, downscale [white] communities is that they deserve to die. Economically, they are negative assets. Morally, they are indefensible. Forget all your cheap theatrical Bruce Springsteen crap. Forget your sanctimony about struggling Rust Belt factory towns and your conspiracy theories about the wily Orientals stealing our jobs. Forget your goddamned gypsum, and, if he has a problem with that, forget Ed Burke, too. The white American underclass is in thrall to a vicious, selfish culture whose main products are misery and used heroin needles. Donald Trump’s speeches make them feel good. So does OxyContin. …”

    is it any wonder that Fred is now on board with these guys?

    there are billions of Mexicans and Africans and Indians and Muslims that would make much better citizens (worker/consumer/human farm zombies) than the rebel flag waving, 4×4 pickup driving, country music listening, gun owning, lusty heterosexual, beer swilling, hard-working, hard-playing, shut out of jobs and promotions and universities based on their skin color, tall, proud, steely eyed white people who we all know are nothing more than dormant goose-stepping Nazis waiting for their fuehrer to pop up and activate them, and tell them what rotten, genocidal scumfucks people like Billy Kristol, (and others) really are and what they have in mind for them. Huh?

    Fred knows. He’s been to Appalachia, he’s seen the misery, the hopelessness and despair as these proud people who’ve lost everything, and who live in crushing poverty and have had their communities looted by financial swindlers and scoundrels, and now are vilified from every smug, progressive Bill Maher lefty and every snarky Hollywood movie that comes out as congenital cretins, degenerates, and either vile racists or loathsome oafs or pathetic bumpkins- at best.

    They’re committing suicide at rates far exceeding all demographic norms, to the quiet and smug satisfaction of those who despise them- not for anything they’ve ever done- mind you, no. But for what they are.. Proud and white and unapologetic about it.

    They’re the ‘forgotten man (and woman)’, and they have no friends in high places, all they have left is their collective desire to persevere, and that is specifically what their enemies intend to rob them of, having taken everything else.

    I hope Fred keeps reminding us all of how noble and worthy and virtuous and incorruptible the Mexicans will be when they’ve finally replaced that last rustic community of these scrappy, ornery, freedom-loving white people, and we can all finally rest at ease.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  49. tjm says:

    I say, if we are happy to defend Israel’s interests by any means possible, we should be just as happy to defend our own interests.

    It always amazes me how indifferent “liberals, moderates, conservatives” are to war transgressions in the Middle East, yet accept mass invasion from the south that is destroying this nation.

    It shows the power of Jewish control in America, where Israel’s interests trump America’s. Where no sensitivity is ever afforded Muslims, and EVERY sensitivity is afforded our Latino invaders.

    Jewish Zionists wish to use migration to dumb down and destroy western societies, while blocking any immigration to Israel outside of fellow Jews.

    All I ask for is the same respect for our culture Israel has for it’s…but they use their control of the media to demonize and protections of our culture.

  50. A brief look at the news this morning and it seems ICE has been busy rounding up Mexicans and detaining them for deportation. Excellent news, I have been waiting years for this. Now Fred can enjoy the company of even more Mexicans, in Mexico of course. He may have to lock his (((wife))) in the house, lots of new men will be in town.

    • Replies: @Willem Hendrik
  51. Wally says:

    What an utterly worthless, strawman laced piece about nothing.

    Fred is now selling snake oil.

    Oh the horror!

    • Replies: @jacques sheete
  52. kek says:

    Placing our Military on the US Mexico border full time until THE wall is erected is the mandatory move to make. Invading Mexico is not what the President has in mind despite the latest fake news from the hysterical media. Furthermore when if ever will the adults finally wrestle away the pen from these poor frightened children calling themselves journalists.

  53. I’d legalize drugs, put the experienced cartel infrastructure in charge of Mexico, and the country becomes the rich purveyor of fine recreational pharmaceuticals to the world.

  54. tjm says:
    @Daniel Chieh

    Years ago when Britain flooded the Chinese society with opium, it was and considered a heinous act by the Brits.

    But in America, it’s not the Mexicans who profits for drug sales that are the villains but the users…

    The Zionist Jews who rule America, don’t give Americans anything but guilt, we are responsible for everything, every ill, every crime, they truly are our greatest enemy.

    • Replies: @Wally
  55. @Rurik

    If you think Fred Reed hates the Scots-Irish stock of Appalachia, check out what he says about American blacks. This dude hates probably 80% of America, while gently tongue-bathing Mexican narco traffickers and sweaty squat monsters who think groping 12 year old girls is their natural right as men. (And under Mexican law, it is)

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Dissident
  56. @Son of Dixie

    Do not confuse our country with our government. By the way, I’m a race mixer from way back and have done the horizantal bop with many a dusky maiden, I even had a few white girls here and there!

    • Replies: @Wally
  57. wrd9 says:

    This is an imbecilic article. The US has no intention of invading Mexico. Reed is suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. Securing the border with a wall and more thorough inspection of cargo from south of the border would interdict more drugs and illegals. Israel’s and Saudi Arabia’s walls/fences are doing a great job in preventing terrorists and illegals from gaining access to their countries. Putting pressure on Mexico’s elites like freezing assets and deporting their relatives living in the US might be much more useful in inducing policy changes. This is a great use of the US’s draconian asset forfeiture laws.

  58. When in doubt as to policies and proposals that actually work, ASK AN ENGINEER.

    What Mexicoke needs to do is declare martial law, empower the Army to go to war as if invaded by a foreign power. Round up, try all cartel leaders by a MILITARY TRIBUNAL, and execute them around the clock by a bullet in the head, not firing squad-wastes too much bullets.

    The minor players get flogged in public and set in blocks in the public squares of cities and towns where they killed and enslaved innocents.

    Excepting the last paragraph, this is exactly what Lee Kwan Yew did in the early days of the independence of Singapore. But then, Chinese people are smart and “very practical”.

    • Replies: @grapesoda
  59. Lowe says:

    Holy crap, Fred Reed is such a windbag. And could he be more butt-hurt about Trump? I think not.

  60. Rurik says:

    This dude hates probably 80% of America, while gently tongue-bathing Mexican narco traffickers

    well, Fred is of course a self-proclaimed curmudgeon

    and I’m a fan of his prose

    but alas, it does seem that his rhetoric is sounding far more like George Will these days, than that of Mencken or Twain, (or Sobran~ who would not kneel) sadly

    there’s a very $ignificant reason why George Will prostitute$ out his intellect, (such as it is)

    and don’t forget “respectability” also!

    the great Whore offers much to those who will but kneel, and there’s only hardship for those who resist her temptation$

    at the end of the day, can we really blame Fred?

  61. MyCountry says:

    You know he’s just trying to make threats so Mexico will fall in line!
    Screw Mexico! =

  62. Wally says:

    Today’s ‘immigrants’ are not the same as yesterdays immigrants.

    They have much lower IQs and all that that involves: massive crime, enormous breeding rates, unemployable for anything but the most basic tasks, crude religious intolerance of the very culture that they come to, etc.

    They have a much lower work ethic, they are here to take, not make.

    The boat is simply full. The whole matter is just not sustainable without complete collapse of the society we know and care for. Just look at the countries of origin of these 3rd worlders, that’s really all you need to know. Is that what we want to become?

    “building a wall between the Mexico and Guatemala is a possibility”…

    And what did Obama do before he moved into his new mansion? Build a wall around it.

    What surrounds the typical limousine leftist’s mansions? A wall, of course.

  63. I think this guy has a better grasp of Mexico than Fred does:

  64. Wally says:
    @Tabasco Jack

    Who cares about your fantasized sex life?

  65. grapesoda says:
    @Poupon Marx

    They can’t because the gov’t and military are corrupt so they will just be bought off, intimidated, or infiltrated by the cartels. Corruption is endemic in Latin America and it’s hard to see how it would be possible to get rid of it.

  66. athEIst says:
    @THOMAS O. Meehan

    And only about 4 million illegals to deport

  67. turtle says:

    U.S. troops to Mexico?
    Not going to happen…

  68. TheBoom says:

    Fred is losing it. The AP story was already debunked. What next, Fred writes a story about Trump hanging up on the head honcho of Australia? I understand that Fred loves Mexicans more than Mexicans love Mexicans but a quick online search that would take less than a minute might be in order before cranking out a new column.

  69. Let’s invade the U.S. banks who launder cartel drug money and CIA that created the Zeta’s, al qaeda, and ISIS.

    • Replies: @Art
    , @Bragadocious
  70. Art says:

    Let’s invade the U.S. banks who launder cartel drug money and CIA that created the Zeta’s, al qaeda, and ISIS.

    Exactly – it seems were big money is involved – that the great CIA is toothless.

    Hmm! Does one and one still make two?

    Peace — Art

    p.s. Two to one that a Jew runs that part of the CIA.

  71. @Son of Dixie

    Say, have you perhaps had a wife or girlfriend run off with a Mexican?

  72. @Wally

    I’ve quit reading the windbag’s garbage. It’s become nothing but a bunch of unsubstantiated, bigoted manure that isn’t even funny. I don’t know why UR stoops to post such worthless slop.

    I do stop by now and then to read the comments and there are quite a few good ones here.

  73. Veritatis says:

    Very interesting article, thank you. Will forward.

    There is, indeed, the problem of more players once you decapitate a network. In the case of Mexico, that was aggravated by the “decapitation” of a political network: the weakening of presidentialism in the 90’s and its eventual end in 2000. So what once was an orderly -if illegal–situation got complicated by: more political players, the ‘business’ opportunity that followed the weakening of Colombia’s cartels, and the development of new very profitable drugs. An attempt in 2008 to restrict the flow further fractionalized the business. So now we have many rich cartels, a large territory, and a Medusa situation.

    In fairness, one must ask what exactly happens to the drugs once they are in US territory. Are there no major players, distributors? All are small-time fry? Or is it just more complicated to neutralize US citizens? What about corruption?

    Drugs, like other addictive behaviors, are socially so complicated because they result from human nature and there’s a lot of money to be made. To combat them requires both true rule of law and enough social cohesion to ban those behaviors. Mexico lacks the former, the U.S. the latter. The choice seems to be between illegal, violent mafias that profit from addictions and legal, aggressive marketing (Madison Avenue-style) that immensely enrich corporations and individuals.

  74. Che Guava says:
    @mtn cur

    There was much imagery back in ’08, that involved mixing Oh Bummer with Dubya, or morphing between them.

    They both have wing ears, but the facial similarities go further than that.

    I am too tired to finding links to the best of them, but think it would not being too hard to finding them even now.

    OTOH, Dubyah has been determinedly very quiet as an ex-Prexident of the US empire, can’t say the same for ex-Prex hopy feely changey.

    Fun fact:Oh Bummer never once won an election for any government position before becoming Prexident, opponents mysteriously melted away every time. Odd, that.

    Fred, always like your writing, but really doubt that Trump intends to invade Mexico.

  75. Anonymous [AKA "blivet"] says:

    Trump’s military record leaves no doubt as to his own courage.

    Couldn’t read beyond this.

  76. Dissident says:

    while gently tongue-bathing

    Must you resort to such lurid Sodomite metaphors?

  77. @Svigor

    What I can’t figure out is why anyone who isn’t a leftist takes this doddering old clown seriously.

    Evidently, it has something to do with his “prose.”

    By the way, I completely agree with you here, but I also don’t understand why anybody who wasn’t a douche would take seriously Steve Sailer and his legion of Online Twit Olympians.

  78. Sam J. says:

    Ridiculous. We’re not going to invade Mexico but if we do…we should drive everyone down all the way to the Panama canal. I bet we could defend that.

    Notice that Vietnam was brought into this, as usual when the hate America group wants to castigate us. The problem with the “we lost Vietnam” is it isn’t true. The Vietcong were completely defeated and the South was controlled. The North invaded the South with the largest numbers of tanks since the battle of Kursk in WWII. The South fought to the last bullet but alas the Democratic congress told Ford they would impeach if he used air power or helped the South. The Crats cut off almost all military hardware. With air power the North would have been soundly defeated. They were all strung out on the highway moving South. The Democratic party lost the Vietnam war not America. I know you’ve all been told different but look it up.

    • Replies: @Willem Hendrik
  79. If he sends the mostly Non-White US Army… They’ll blend right in down there.

  80. @Sam J.

    The USA lost the second Indochina war at least 58.315 times.
    The Vietnamese lost it at least 1.156.000 times.
    How many times daily that war is still lost through landmines I don’t know.

  81. @Daniel Chieh

    That’s what happens when you live in enemy territory unless you want to end up a murdered ex-pat. The Senorita has some influence too, just ask Señor Jeb Bush.

  82. doodahman says:

    Love your stuff Fred. But in terms of taking down Mexico, I’ll just say been there, done that.

  83. @Anonymous

    Miniaturized surveillance drones, unofficially spying and providing Intel to all sides of the cartels in conjunction with psy-ops false intel ( to set them on each other as a permanent chess game to the death) could at least provide entertainment for our surveillance agencies and print and spectacle for the media and masses when the inevitable scandal is revealed.
    Only real answer for the human spiritual-void appetite for mind altering states is an imperfect solution, and with a terrible downside – the totalitarian police state. An Orwellian-Huxley State. Comfortably numb.

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