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I’m being a pain in the ass again. My childhood makes me do it. When I was eleven, we boy kids in Alabama liked to shoot a wasp’s nest with BB guns and run like hell. I guess it stuck.

In this column I will explain why the Caucasian race will shortly be extinct, and why it is a good idea. This conclusion flows ineluctably from evolutionary considerations and studies of racial IQ. It is simple biology.

 

The Evolutionary-IQ Perspective

As Race Realists have argued at length, IQ is a reliable measure of intelligence, and is primarily genetic. Twin studies, in which identical twins have been raised apart in differing environments, show that 80% of IQ is of genetic provenance. So far as I know, these studies seem to be correct.

Thke Realists frequently publish curves of IQ distributions indicating that American blacks have mean IQs of 85, Mexicans of 87, and white Americans of 98. (IQs tend to wander according to the argument one is making. For national averages I mostly use the figures in the table of IQ and the Wealth of Nations, regarded as canonical by Race Realists.) The authors who have discovered the superiority of whites, curiously enough, are white. As a rule, Realists attribute almost every instance of intelligence to to genetics and, usually, to white blood.

The accuracy is doubtful. In particular, they omit distributions of groups superior to plain vanilla whites (PVWs). For example, the slant-eyed Asians—Japanese, Chinese, and Koreans. Their IQ, 105 to 108, is greatly superior to that of PVWs. Note that these Asian smake up the first five countries by IQ in IQ and the Wealth.(China, mysteriously, is put at 100 but, since Singapore, genetically identical, is given as 108, this would seem the best figure for developed Chinese societies. There are well over a billion of such Asians.

This is no statistical fluke. They are so overwhelmingly dominant in high-end universities (CalTech, 40%) that Ivy schools have quietly imposed quotas to protect PVWs—i.e., affirmative action for the non-competitive. In high-end laboratories and universities, they are way overrepresented. They have larger brains, which probably explains their superior intelligence.

In short, these Asians are genetically superior. (And they know it. An acquaintance with access to the Asian community of California quoted them as describing whites as “lazy and stupid.”) By inevitable natural selection, they are beginning to replace PVWs in evolutionary niches requiring intelligence, as Cro-Magnons replaced Neanderthals.

Think I’m kidding? United States Math Olympiad winners. The near-monopoly of Chinese names strogly suggests that the true Chinese IQ is well ahead of that of PVWs. Asians are something like 6% of the US population. Uncle Darwin is calling bed time.

Another group even more genetically superior to plain vanilla whites consists of the Ashkenazi Jews, mean IQ 111, 13 points ahed of PVWs. That is, the gap between the Ashkenazim and PVWs (which means, for most readers, us) is greater than the eleven-point difference between PVWs and Mexicans. Because of the workings of a normal distribution, the consequences of those 13 points are great. For example, Nicolas Wade, a genetic determinist, points out in A Troublesome Inheritance Genes, Race and Human History that proportionally these Jews produce about six times as many people above IQ 140 than do PVWs. The ratios grow at higher IQs.

This is huge. If you look at intellectual achievement, Ashjews are way, way ahead of PVWs—Nobel prizes, chess champions, hugely major scientists. By comparison, plain vanilla whites are just, well…how to put it? Not very bright. Careful examination shows that an imposing part of what we think of as white European achievement is actually Jewish achievement.

Into the Darwinian night. We whites had a good run. The reality of IQ shows that the world is moving on.

 

Other Asians outperform whites. Thirteen of the last seventeen winnrs of the Scripps National Spelling Bee have been Indian, who are a tiny fraction of the US. Indians, says IQ and the Wealth, have a mean IQ of 81. Sure, and I’m Sophia of Anhalt-Zerbst. A common response of Realists is that only very bright Indians come to the US. Yes, but all the very bright American kids are already here, no?

A Non-IQist Perspective

There is no biological reason to believe that one genetic group cannot be more intelligent than another. There is a great deal of reason to wonder whether IQ is a good measure of intelligence between disparate groups, and whether IQ—the answer on the test—is genetic.

Many people are quite sure of the answers, but often have little grasp of the material. I spent years on Steve Sailer’s human-biodiversity list, a conclave of very powerful and equally inelastic minds concerned with IQ and evolution, and was astonished at their capacity to ignore unwanted evidence, abandon logic, and find pat genetic explanations for everything, probably to include sun spots. Contradictions abound like picnic ants on a half-eaten sandwici, as for example the many large differences in IQs of genetically identical groups. (Readers wanting a detailed analysis should read this, by Ron Unz.)

In 1972, a massive test of the Irish put them at IQ 87. Recently they have scored at about 100 (which is exactly what you would expect of a population of Eurowhite PVWs). The only way this difference could be accomplished genetically would be by killing off most of Ireland, an event which one would expect to have made the newspapers. But maybe they were distracted by the World cup or whatever Paris Hilton was doing at the time.

Now, if twin studies prove conclusively that 80% of IQ is genetic, and the Irish example proves conclusively that it isn’t, only one explanation is possible: IQ tests are not measuring what we think they are measuring. QED. I would expect this to cause cognitive dissonance in IQists, but they seem not to be cognitive enough to notice the dissonance.

Again, when a thirteen-point gap vanishes in a very few generations, the change isn’t genetic. Further, note that all of the gap disappeared, showing that none of it was genetic.

Now we come to Mexico which, by chance, is alleged to have exactly the 87 IQ of the Irish, apparently based on one study (see the table) in 1961 of 520 Mexicans. what could be more convincing? But before proceeding, a minor zoological excustion.

 

Confidently Vacuous Experts

ORDER IT NOW

When I mention Mexico, I invariably get mail instructing me on the nature of the county and its inhabitants. Everybody seems to know more about Mexico than those of us who live here. I am not talking about the high-wattage Race Realists, such as Steve Sailer, John Derbyshire, and Jared Taylor, who are very intelligent and thoughtful. Rather, I advert to the nitwit pack of howlers and Me-Tarzan-you-Jane chest-beaters who post thunderous comments.

I imagine the following conversation with these Confidently Vacuous Experts:

Me: “You have, I don’t doubt, lived in Mexico?” Confidently Vacuous Expert: “Uh, well, uh….” “But certainly you have traveled extensively, business trips to Mexico City, visits with Mexican friends?” “Uh, well, uh….” ”You do speak Spanish?” “Uh, well, uh….” “A man of your cultivation cannot have failed to read Latin-American authors—Borges, Juan Rulfo, Vargas LLosa, Benedetti, Neruda, Perez-Reverte, Octavio Paz, Carolos Fuentes, Carlos Monsivais?” “Uh, well, uh….” “You can tell me whether Guanajuato is the capital of Toluca, an ethnic dish made with nopales, the language of the Marimacha Indians of Sinaloa, or the name of Peña Nieto’s dog?” “Uh, well, uh….” “Yes, I see. Quite. Your mastery commands my astonishment. Now do tell me about Mexico.”

This is not is not the only question I might raise with these geographic virgins if I were rude, which I decidedly am not. I might ask, “Among IQ tests, can you cite the three major methodological differences between Raven’s Progressive Matrices and Rockwell’s Libertarian Matrices?” Or “You are familiar with the concept of standard deviation? You can calculate one? Take the mean, the differences from the mean, square them, and so on?”

Just wondering.
Durango-class patrol craft, designed and built in Mexico. Engineers in Mexico count on their figners and toes. It’s a digital age, after all.

I do so enjoy posting things about Mexico becausse it gets Confidently Vacuous Experts into an uproar. I confess to being a troublemaker.

Isn’t this fun?

Average bookstore in Guadalajara, though smaller than most. I don’t know whicdyh one, as I did a Google search rather than drive forty-five minutes to photograph the half-dozen I know. Typically they have sections on systems analysis, electrical engineering, cardiology, and such, though with far less schlock on self-help and the Wisdom of Oprah.

 

European woman, probably Danish, consoling typical Mexican for his sins and defects. Here we see the physiological basis of Mexican inferiority: A combination of microcephaly and jaundice. However they have broad shoulders and can do simple work if supervised by their betters.

Hey, I’m having fun. Sort of a last fling, before going extinct.

(Republished from Fred on Everything by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Eh, 98 is the figure for the US as a whole (on a norm of average UK IQ = 100). The white average IQ will be higher, 100-102.

    Having a lower IQ doesn’t actually make you go extinct. Quite the reverse, these days. Not having babies makes you go extinct. High IQ east-Asians and Jews are probably even less reproductively successful than not-so-high-IQ white gentiles; all are less successful than lower IQ populations.

  2. Forty percent of Fred’s countrymen would leave for the US if they could. Hundreds of thousands of his countrymen vote with their feet for the US over Mexico every year. Guatemala and Honduras are reverting to their historical mean.

    Fred is being loyal to his wife and her kin. It’s an admirable trait.

    There’s a real easy rebuttal to an Asian arguing the superiority of his culture: you are here.

  3. SJ says:

    …when a thirteen-point gap vanishes in a very few generations, the change isn’t genetic. Further, note that all of the gap disappeared, showing that none of it was genetic.

    The fact that a group’s mean IQ can rise substantially in a short time doesn’t prove that there’s no genetic basis for mean IQ differences between groups. We see this in plenty of other traits: look at height, for instance. The Dutch were once significantly shorter than Americans; now they’re significantly taller. Nurture obviously plays a role (nutrition presumably being the key factor in this case). But that doesn’t mean that genes have nothing to do with height.

    The way I would say it is that genotypes capable of producing tall phenotypes are 100% inherited, but the genes need certain environmental inputs to be fully expressed. Given a sufficiently narrow range of possible childhood environments, the heritability of height approaches 100%. Given a sufficiently large range, it approaches 0%.

    Lifestyles of Irish people have changed dramatically over the past few generations, and it’s very plausible that some of the changes have improved their mean IQ. But you can’t conclude from that that group variations in intelligence don’t have a genetic basis.

    I’m far from convinced by the hardcore “race realist” position on IQ…but I don’t think that group IQ changes over time necessarily disprove it.

  4. syonredux says:

    “Careful examination shows that an imposing part of what we think of as white European achievement is actually Jewish achievement.”

    Dear God, Fred. How ignorant can one man be?Go out and buy a copy of Murray’s HUMAN ACCOMPLISHMENT. It has plenty of charts and graphs, so the information on White Gentile accomplishment is easily digestible. Heck, just confine yourself to the “Giants” section. You’ll probably be quite shocked to find out that Newton, Darwin, Heisenberg, Dante, Euler, Kant, Whitehead, Tolstoy, Goethe, Leonardo , etc, etc, were all White Gentiles.

  5. syonredux says:

    “In 1972, a massive test of the Irish put them at IQ 87. Recently they have scored at about 100 (which is exactly what you would expect of a population of Eurowhite PVWs). The only way this difference could be accomplished genetically would be by killing off most of Ireland, an event which one would expect to have made the newspapers. But maybe they were distracted by the World cup or whatever Paris Hilton was doing at the time.”

    You and Unz are just going to cling to that study, eh Fred? Well, we all need teddy bears now and again. It’s a scary world.

    “Borges,”

    A White Argentine. One might further add that his father was half-English, too.

    ” Juan Rulfo,”

    Another White guy.

    “Vargas LLosa,”

    Another White guy.

    “Benedetti,”

    Another White guy. And of Italian descent.

    “Neruda,”

    Another White guy.

    “Perez-Reverte,”

    The guy’s not even from Latin America, for God’s sake. He’s a White guy from Spain.

    “Octavio Paz,”

    If he had any Amerind blood, it certainly doesn’t show.

    ” Carolos Fuentes,”

    Looks about as Amerind as Al Pacino.

    “Carlos Monsivais?””

    Another White guy, this one of French descent.

  6. syonredux says:

    “I do so enjoy posting things about Mexico becausse it gets Confidently Vacuous Experts into an uproar. I confess to being a troublemaker.”

    We enjoy it too, Fred. It’s not everyday that we get to see the spectacle of a reasonably intelligent man making a fool of himself. However, in all seriousness, why not try giving us something beyond anecdote? Maybe some statistical analysis?

  7. syonredux says:

    “European woman, probably Danish, consoling typical Mexican for his sins and defects. Here we see the physiological basis of Mexican inferiority: A combination of microcephaly and jaundice. However they have broad shoulders and can do simple work if supervised by their betters.”

    You know, Fred, I’m trying to figure out what this photo is supposed to prove. It’s a photo of a woman in a semi-supine posture. Help me out here. What does this have to do with Mexican IQ?

  8. syonredux says:

    “Average bookstore in Guadalajara, though smaller than most. I don’t know whicdyh one, as I did a Google search rather than drive forty-five minutes to photograph the half-dozen I know. Typically they have sections on systems analysis, electrical engineering, cardiology, and such, though with far less schlock on self-help and the Wisdom of Oprah.”

    Yeah, Fred. There are bookshops in Mexico. And this proves…..What?

  9. syonredux says:

    “A man of your cultivation cannot have failed to read Latin-American authors—Borges, Juan Rulfo, Vargas LLosa, Benedetti, Neruda, Perez-Reverte, Octavio Paz, Carolos Fuentes, Carlos Monsivais?””

    I don’t know how “cultivated” I am, but I have read all of them except Benedetti and Monsivais. Borges and Fuentes are my personal favorites in the group.

    Somehow, Fred, I don’t think that White guys like these are immigrating en masse to the USA.

  10. Ron Unz says:

    @syon

    Please avoid providing multiple, successive comments and instead take a little more time and thought and combine them into a single, longer comment. This makes the thread more effective and also makes you appear less extreme to other readers.

    This suggestion was implied in the official Comments Policy, but I’ve now made it explicit as well: http://www.unz.com/masthead/#comments-policy

  11. syonredux says:

    Tell you what, Fred. Perhaps you are right and IQ tests are just bunk. Let’s just stick to the real world. If Mexican Amerinds and Mestizos are, on average, equal to Whites in intellect, why do we have affirmative action for them? In California right now the Hispanic leadership in the Democratic party are attempting to restore affirmative action in the UC system. You see, Fred, Hispanics just aren’t doing too well in terms of being admitted to Berkeley and UCLA. You know, the UC unis that are actually difficult to get into.

    Seems to me, Fred, that actual Hispanics are not quite as confident as you are in their intellectual abilities….

  12. syonredux [AKA "marlowe"] says:

    via Steve Sailer:

    Best estimate yet of Hispanic-American IQ

    Everyone across the political spectrum admits that the white-black test score gap is a major social problem, but nobody is thinking about the white-Hispanic test score gap, even though we have much more influence through immigration policy over whether Hispanics will be a large or huge proportion of the American population in the future. Fortunately, the facts are available, but they take a lot of digging to uncover.

    Here’s the best estimate I’ve yet seen: A 2001 meta-analysis of 39 studies covering a total 5,696,519 individuals in America (aged 14 and above) came up with an overall difference of 0.72 standard deviations in g (the “general factor” in cognitive ability) between “Anglo” whites and Hispanics. The 95% confidence range of the studies ran from .60 to .88 standard deviations, so there’s not a huge amount of disagreement among the studies.

    One standard deviation equals 15 IQ points, so that’s a gap of 10.8 IQ points, or an IQ of 89 on the Lynn-Vanhanen scale where white Americans equal 100. That would imply the average Hispanic would fall at the 24th percentile of the white IQ distribution. This inequality gets worse at higher IQs Assuming a normal distribution, 4.8% of whites would fall above 125 IQ versus only 0.9% of Hispanics, which explains why Hispanics are given ethnic preferences in prestige college admissions.

    In contrast, 105 studies of 6,246,729 individuals found an overall white-black gap of 1.10 standard deviations, or 16.5 points. (I typically round this down to 1.0 standard deviation and 15 points). So, the white-Hispanic gap appears to be about 65% as large as the notoriously depressing white-black gap. (Warning: this 65% number does not come from a perfect apples to apples comparison because more studies are used in calculating the white-black difference than the white-Hispanic difference.)

    Source: Roth, P. L., Bevier, C. A., Bobko, P., Switzer III, F. S. & Tyler, P. (2001) ” Ethnic group differences in cognitive ability in employment and educational settings: a meta-analysis.” Personnel Psychology 54, 297–330.

  13. wah wah says:

    I don’t see what other races being higher (than we think) and PVWs being dumber than ‘AshJews’ has to do with us needing to give up. Perhaps you can’t stand the tension of not being the best (per ‘terror management theory’), of being somewhere in the middle, being ordinary? Kudos for being open-minded enough to be able to grasp that nettle, but there’s no need to.

  14. syonredux [AKA "marlowe"] says:

    More from Steve Sailer on Hispanic IQ:

    “This fits well with lots of other data. For example, Hispanics generally do almost as badly on the National Assessment of Educational Progress school achievement tests as blacks, but that average is dragged down by immigrant kids who have problems adjusting to English. The last time the NAEP asked about where the child was born was 1992, and Dr. Stefan Thernstrom of Harvard kindly provided me with the data from that examination. For foreign-born Hispanics, the typical gap versus non-Hispanic whites was 1.14 times as large as the black-white gap. But for American-born Hispanics, the gap between non-Hispanic whites and American-born Hispanics was 0.67 times as large as the gap between non-Hispanic whites and blacks, very similar to the 0.65 difference seen in the meta-analysis of IQs.”

  15. Giuseppe says: • Website

    1. Do you really believe in your heart of hearts, in the core of your very being, that there are truly bona fide DNA transmitted genetical human races, precisely in the same way that there are biologically based plant and animal races (despite all scientific evidence to the contrary)? Can the 20% of IQ that is not genetically based according to your own conclusions be responsible for the differences you elucidate between these so called “races”?
    2. If non-Asians were required to learn Chinese characters in order to read, would they score as high, or almost as high, as Asians on IQ tests? What might this tell us about the dumbing down effect of the Roman alphabet? What if they had Tiger Mothers?
    3. Why do you detest the following opening line of a major nobel-prize winning Latin American novel, “‘Muchos años después, frente al pelotón de fusilamiento…many years later, as he faced the firing squad, Colonel Aureliano Buendía was to remember that distant afternoon when his father took him to discover ice.” Or do you have some other reason for omitting Gabriel García Marquez, author of “One Hundred Years Of Solitude,” who recently passed away in Mexico, from your list of significant Latin American authors?
    4. What was it like in Mexico today? Were you all like over the top screaming GOOOOOOOOOOOL X 4 for El Tri today? Or do American expats not care about fútbol?

  16. Sam Haysom [AKA "Matt Buckalew"] says:

    I’m curious why anti-gnostic doesn’t grant a similar dispensation to a certain other ethnic group. Is it because Reed can be counted on for an over the top, spittle-flecked anti-war column every other month? I find Reed’s arguments frankly embarrassing and the indulgence paleocons give to the assorted crochety, disaffected misanthropes and burnt out leftists simply because they can be counted on to lash out at American foreign policy is highly suspect.

    This guy writes a taunting article about the extinction of the white race because he got his feelings hurt by IQ studies. There is nothing admirable about that at all. Show me any article of Bill Kristols as hate filled as this.

  17. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    So this is what it’s come to: neener, neener, neener.
    A verse for you youngsters:

    Look now kindly on the haggard face,
    Of he who’s aged so lacking in grace,
    For you too such hell may lie in wait,
    Glowering eyes beneath a bald pate,
    Where once was vigor, now aimless spite,
    Taking bile for chivalrous heights,
    For if to age we all must succumb,
    Lord let my heart not grow quite this numb

    Not Shakespeare, but what do you expect from old white trash improvising on the fly? Of course, Shakespeare is no Shakespeare, being a mere Anglo; and his existence a matter of indifference to us, as was that whole Western Civilization thing, of which none should be overly proud. If I’m following correctly.

  18. ray says:

    I put little stock in IQ for individuals … ‘intelligence’ is not so easily reduced and quantified, not even by those Mysterious Celestials named Li. Some testing can point towards specific or collective capacities, tho.

    Don’t worry about everybody knowing more than you about mexico. Everybody knows more than me about everything, too. Adamantly. I’m just glad that in your fullness you likewise have come to accept this planetary fait, and are adjusting your adjustables accordingly.

    It’s been a good run. Cheers.

  19. Victor says:

    “Please avoid providing multiple, successive comments and instead take a little more time and thought and combine them into a single, longer comment. This makes the thread more effective and also makes you appear less extreme to other readers.”

    Fred writes an article that begins with this sentence: “In this column I will explain why the Caucasian race will shortly be extinct, and why it is a good idea…” and you think the commenter who rebuts him is extreme?

  20. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Looks look at another metric: Fields medalists by country. I’m sure that you have heard of the Fields Medal,Fred. It’s the International Medal for Outstanding Discoveries in Mathematics, and it is awarded to two, three, or four mathematicians not over 40 years of age at each International Congress of the International Mathematical Union (IMU), a meeting that takes place every four years.Let’s see how well Latin America has done.

    Number of Fields Medallists by country
    United States 12

    France 10

    Soviet Union (3) / Russia (6) 9

    United Kingdom 6

    Japan 3
    Belgium 2

    West Germany (1) / Germany (0) 1

    Australia 1

    British Hong Kong 1

    Finland 1

    Israel 1

    Italy 1

    Norway 1

    New Zealand 1

    Sweden 1

    Vietnam 1

    (None Stateless) 1

    Zip. Nada. Nothing. Seems a bit odd, eh, Fred. I mean tiny New Zealand has one. But Latin America
    has zero.

    Now Fred, you’ve been pushing the idea that Latin America is just filled with mathematical talent (cf your recent piece on Peru). Care to hazard any a guess on this conundrum?

  21. Peter Frost says: • Website

    “I spent years on Steve Sailer’s human-biodiversity list, a conclave of very powerful and equally inelastic minds concerned with IQ and evolution, and was astonished at their capacity to ignore unwanted evidence”

    I, too, was a member of the hbd list. It was a heterogeneous group of people with widely varying opinions on human biodiversity. For most, in fact, HBD was only a secondary topic of interest, as reflected in the discussions (which seemed to focus on American politics).

    From time to time, you would go off on a tangent about how we all felt that IQ is key to reproductive success, about how we all felt that Mexicans have an IQ of only 87, about how we were all white supremacists of one sort or another, and about how we had no explanation for declining fertility rates in Western nations. You seemed to be raging against your own inner demons because you would just brush off anything we wrote in reply.

    Personally, I don’t believe that the mean IQ in Mexico is 87. My own reading of the IQ literature is that it’s somewhere in the low 90s. That, too, could be wrong. In any case, from an HBD perspective, IQ data become really interesting only when combined with adoption studies or twin studies (and more recently with studies on allele frequencies).

    No one believes that intelligence is always key to reproductive success. Most forms of life have no intelligence whatsoever, and yet they manage to do very well. Intelligence is only one adaptation among many, and it’s useful only in certain environments and under certain conditions. Take those conditions away and it becomes maladaptive.

    I could go on, but you don’t seem to listen to people with contrary opinions. You prefer to debate with an inner demon who has a lot of nutty ideas.

  22. Hank says:

    Sheesh, I love it. White People have given up, we were ready to just float peacefully down the river to oblivion, and leave all of our legacy and creations so our brown-black-jewish-asian superiors could take the helm. Yet, empty anti-European vessels like this straw man generalissimo Fred Reed and others of his ilk can’t seem to stop poking the White bear, no matter how deep and harmless its slumber; it’s like you’re just ASKING for it.

    Fred Reed, Oprah, Noel Ignatiev, whatever, just keep beating those war drums.

  23. Bobo says:

    Wow, judging from these comments white people sure get pissy when you point out how they are inferior to other races.

    Fred, can’t wait for your column on male genitalia. I’d write it from a bunker.

  24. syonredux says:

    Bobo:”Wow, judging from these comments white people sure get pissy when you point out how they are inferior to other races.”

    Sloppy thinking annoys people, and Fred’s frenzied attempts to prove that Amerinds and Mestizos are, on the average, intellectually equal to White Gentiles have been egregiously bad, the Hispanic version of a White Liberal attempting to prove Black greatness by citing the achievements of George Washington Carver.Actually, they might even be worse, seeing as how Fred tried to cite Perez-Reverte, who is neither Mestizo nor a Latin American (he’s a White guy from Spain), as an example of Mestizo literary prowess.

    Bobo:”Fred, can’t wait for your column on male genitalia. I’d write it from a bunker.”

    Not sure how that would help Fred’s pro-Mestizo crusade……

  25. “Wow, judging from these comments white people sure get pissy when you point out how they are inferior to other races.”

    You’ll find that other races are exactly the same.

  26. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    Wow, judging from these comments white people sure get pissy when you point out how they are inferior to other races.

    Sorry, but the po-faced what-did-I-say bit doesn’t work when the provocation is more angry and less informed than the responses. I mean, Fred spends years on a listserv and now comes along like the anti-smut campaigner advising us to ban a film because he watched “every disgusting minute” of it. The personal animus in his post is not thinly veiled, it isn’t veiled at all. I guess that recommends it.
    But it’s news to me that “HBD” types are resistant to the idea of higher East Asian IQ. Probably news to them as well. And how is it he can ascribe virtually all of European civilization to Jewish intelligence (a rather cloying reversal of the “it’s all the jeee-yews” smear) yet wants us to think of Mexico as some monolithic mestizo mass regarding its achievements?
    Gee, ya think maybe something like the same thing is going on there, with certain ancestries disproportionately contributing? Because they are over-represented in business, finance and politics–is Fred suggesting the place is one giant conspiracy by which these people lord it over equally ambitious and talented mestizos?

  27. Sunbeam says:

    Hmmmm to the individual who posted the nationalities of Fields Medal winners…

    I’d like to know how many of the US winners were Jewish (and Asian). I’m also curious as to the Russian/Soviet numbers.

  28. Dennis Dale says: • Website

    “Wow, judging from these comments white people sure get pissy when you point out how they are inferior to other races.”

    You’ll find that other races are exactly the same.

    Yes, only more so. Worth noting too the even greater number of white people who get “pissy” when you suggest “inferiority” in any aspect of any race other than whites–the type eager to show their individual superiority by shaking their heads and regurgitating just such oh, white people… pablum as above.
    I don’t see a lot of non-whites graciously forgoing their own ethnic pride in the interests of fraternity. But I see a lot of open racial advocacy and a lot of taking advantage of the other (that is the white) guy’s principled universalism. Maybe this is why Fred’s self-conscious White Knight defense of Mexican honor grates. As if Hispanics were wilting under the tyranny of HBD despotism. Here’s a Spanish language literary reference for you: Don Frederico tilting at windmills.
    False pride is bad enough, but vicarious false pride is just adding dishonesty to delusion. Let’s do the man a favor and not humor him.

  29. Sunbeam says:

    Yeah, but you know there is an obvious point that is staring everyone in the face, if you believe the HBD arguments.

    In these quarters, it is taken as an established fact that blacks are on average at least a standard deviation below whites on IQ tests. Being prone to criminal behavior, high violence levels, all of it genetic.

    The same with Mexicans, or Amerinds if you are distinguishing between people of actual Spanish heritage, and the bulk of the Mexican population. They don’t lag by as much on the IQ tests as blacks, but they do lag.

    As far as the criminality goes, check out La Griffe du Lions site and read his studies. There doesn’t appear to be any difference between criminality, particularly violent criminality, and whatever we are calling Amerinds/Mexicans/Hispanics.

    But then we have to take those white average IQ tests and compare them to Asians. Now when I say Asian, I am referring to the ones we all think about: Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Taiwanese, Singaporese, though some of those could definitely be lumped in with Chinese.

    Asians score better. They score better on IQ tests, they do better in school, and they fill the ranks of elite colleges when they are allowed to. Additionally if anyone is keeping score they are increasingly the main component of our research scientists and people actually working in the technical professions.

    I have seen several different accounts of what Jewish IQ is on average: 107, 115, even 120. It seems reasonable to me to postulate a standard deviation between the Jewish average and the white average.

    Asian IQ isn’t as high as Jewish on average, but seem to have a capacity for work that allows them to overwhelm Jews in fields where that matters. Science, math, and technology.

    There are some other groups here now that have similarly high IQ’s when compared to the white average. The most numerous being high caste Indians. My understanding is they score as highly as Jews, but are lazier, and definitely not in the same league as regards work ethic.

    I might add that all 3 of these groups, regardless of any perceived affinity for white collar crime, have a lower propensity than whites to have illegitimate children, divorced families and single mothers, drug abuse, violent crime.

    In short, if you are taking hbd arguments seriously, it’s pretty hard not to take the above mentioned groups and say “As Blacks are to Whites, so are Whites unto these groups.”

    At this point people usually sputter (if they paid attention at all), and bring up something like genetic variability, ie “Well the average is that, but our bell curves isn’t exactly a bell. We, umm we have a lot more guys at the high end. We are special that way. So you see really we are smarter than all those other guys. Heck look at the past 500 years or so. Pay no attention to the 5000 or so before that.”

    But the problem is, what exactly are you looking at? Sure as heck seems to me that the above mentioned special groups are increasingly the student bodies at elite schools in this country. (Well not Indians. Yet.) Be interesting to survey medical schools and see what those look like. Wall Street.. well do you want to go there?

    Turn on the tv and watch talking head shows. Now that is an interesting question. Take the number of guests and hosts pitching things over a couple of months, and then figure out how many aren’t Jewish.

    In short, it sure looks to me like we have a new elite class in this country. Or was anyone else paying attention? Sure I could add things like media ownership, etc. but that is overkill.

    So tell me, are hbd arguments strictly one way? Because it seem to me the tool can be used to compare any genetically distinct populations.

    Though because the bulk of the people who read this sort of thing have come to a sort of fundamentalist position that this is all there is.

  30. syonredux says:

    Sunbeam:”Hmmmm to the individual who posted the nationalities of Fields Medal winners…

    I’d like to know how many of the US winners were Jewish (and Asian). I’m also curious as to the Russian/Soviet numbers.”

    Well, you could look that up yourself….But I’m feeling generous. Here are the American winners:

    Number of Fields Medallists by country
    United States 12

    Jesse Douglas, 1936: First American. J-Info lists him as Jewish (offering no evidence). WIKIPEDIA, in contrast, says nothing about him being Jewish. Given that WIKI is pretty relentless about listing Jews, I’m going to list him as a Gentile. The SEMITIC CONTROVERSIES blog is also uncertain about him.

    John Milnor, 1962:Gentile

    Paul Cohen, 1966: Jewish

    Stephen Smale, 1966: Gentile

    John G. Thompson, 1970: Gentile

    David Mumford, 1974: Gentile

    Charles Fefferman, 1978:Jewish

    Daniel Quillen, 1978:Gentile

    William Thurston, 1982:Gentile

    Michael Freedman, 1986:Jewish

    Edward Witten, 1990:Jewish

    Curtis T. McMullen, 1998:Gentile

    So, the results are:

    Asian: 0
    White Gentile:8 (or 7, depending on how you view the evidence for Douglas)
    White Jews: 4 (or 5, again , depending on your views on Douglas)

    Sources: WIKIPEDIA, J-INFO, and the SEMITIC CONTROVERSIES BLOG (http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2013/01/jews-and-fields-medal.html)

  31. syonredux says:

    And I know that Ron has complained about me making too many separate postings, but here is a breakdown on all 52 Fields Medalists:

    Whites:45 (none of the Whites come from Latin America).

    Asians: 6

    Other: 1 (I have no idea what this means)

    And subdividing the White total between Jews and Gentiles gives us:

    White Jews:10 (or 15, if you trust J-INFO)

    White Gentiles: 35 (or 30, if you trust J-INFO)

    So, the maximum possible White Jewish score is : 15

    And the minimum possible White Gentile score is: 30

    All figures come from J-INFO, WIKIPEDIA, and SEMITIC CONTROVERSIES blog (http://semiticcontroversies.blogspot.com/2013/01/jews-and-fields-medal.html)

  32. syonredux says:

    Sunbeam:”But then we have to take those white average IQ tests and compare them to Asians. Now when I say Asian, I am referring to the ones we all think about: Japanese, Chinese, Koreans, Taiwanese, Singaporese, though some of those could definitely be lumped in with Chinese.”

    And some could not: The Hmong, the Filipinos, etc.

    Sunbeam:”Asians score better. They score better on IQ tests, they do better in school, and they fill the ranks of elite colleges when they are allowed to. Additionally if anyone is keeping score they are increasingly the main component of our research scientists and people actually working in the technical professions. ”

    True, but we have not yet seen that translate into world-beating results as yet (cf the mediocre performance of Asians in terms of winning Fields Medals).

    Sunbeam:”I have seen several different accounts of what Jewish IQ is on average: 107, 115, even 120. It seems reasonable to me to postulate a standard deviation between the Jewish average and the white average.”

    For some solid figures, here is Cochran:

    “Ashkenazi Jews have the highest average IQ of any ethnic group for which there are
    reliable data. They score 0.75 to 1.0 standard deviations above the general European
    average, corresponding to an IQ 112-115. This has been seen in many studies (Backman,
    1972; Levinson, 1959; Romanoff, 1976), although a recent review concludes that the
    advantage is slightly less, only half a standard deviation Lynn (2004). This fact has social significance because IQ (as measured by IQ tests) isthe best predictor we have ofsuccess
    in academic subjects and most jobs. Ashkenazi Jews are just assuccessful astheir tested
    IQ would predict, and they are hugely overrepresented in occupations and fields with the
    highest cognitive demands. During the 20th century, they made up about 3% of the US
    population but won 27% of the US Nobel science prizes and 25% of the ACM Turing
    awards. They account for more than half of world chess champions.
    While the mean IQ difference between Ashkenazim and other northern Europeans may
    not seem large, such a small difference maps to a large difference in the proportion of the
    population with very high IQs (Crow, 2002). For example if the mean Ashkenazi IQ is
    110 and the standard deviation is 15, then the number of northern Europeans with IQs
    greater than 140 should be 4 per thousand while 23 per thousand Ashkenazim should
    exceed the same threshold, a six fold difference. ”

    Sunbeam:”Asian IQ isn’t as high as Jewish on average, but seem to have a capacity for work that allows them to overwhelm Jews in fields where that matters. Science, math, and technology.”

    Except that we haven’t seen that.White Jewish elite performance and White Gentile elite performance have exceeded East Asian elite performance (cf Nobel Prizes, Fields Medals, etc).

    Sunbeam:”There are some other groups here now that have similarly high IQ’s when compared to the white average. The most numerous being high caste Indians. My understanding is they score as highly as Jews, but are lazier, and definitely not in the same league as regards work ethic.”

    Do you have any data? I’ve yet to see any IQ results that pertain only to high caste Indians. Granted, the idea is often thrown out there, but I have yet to see anyone back it up.

    Sunbeam:”I might add that all 3 of these groups, regardless of any perceived affinity for white collar crime, have a lower propensity than whites to have illegitimate children, divorced families and single mothers, drug abuse, violent crime.”

    Do you have any figures for crime rates, drug addiction, etc, among high caste Indians?

    Sunbeam:”In short, if you are taking hbd arguments seriously, it’s pretty hard not to take the above mentioned groups and say “As Blacks are to Whites, so are Whites unto these groups.””

    But where does that leave Amerinds and Mestizos? I’m sure that the idea that some East Asian populations have higher per capita IQs than those of Whites gives them some sense of schadenfreude , but how does that help them? Although, maybe that is the point. Since Amerinds and Mestizos are so mediocre, perhaps their only hope is just to say “East Asians have higher average IQs than Whites! So there!” Seems a bit schoolyardish, though….

  33. Fred, using your own numbers, you say ” these Jews produce about six times as many people above IQ 140 than do PVWs”.

    Okay. We grant you that. But PVWs comprise 62% of the population, and Jews 2.2%. So there are twenty eight times more PVWs than Jews. Therefore, there will be almost five times the number of >140IQ PVWs than Jews. But, as Ron Unz has pointed out, Ivy League admissions don’t reflect this, leading some of us to wonder if the game isn’t rigged.

  34. Priss Factor [AKA "Cloudcastler"] says:

    “In 1972, a massive test of the Irish put them at IQ 87. Recently they have scored at about 100 (which is exactly what you would expect of a population of Eurowhite PVWs).”

    Too much whiskey.

  35. I left out the word “proportionally” in quoting Fred above. He said, “proportionally these Jews produce about six times as many people above IQ 140 than do PVWs”. There, now the calculations make sense.

  36. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    I wonder, is there a reliable IQ study that selects. Chinese and Indian test takers randomly? The orientals and Indians who make it to the US are obviously not representative of the race. I had a philosophy of science philosophy professor (Stanford BA, MA, PhD) who told me that any study that purported to provide an accurate picture of Asian academic achievment should be regarded as highly suspect. This was over 20 years ago. To be honest, other than as a nation of drudges, neither China nor India impress me much.

  37. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Lol. Fred really touched a nerve here. And I’m not surprised. With black people pushing whites out of sports and music, Asians pushing whites out of science and academia, Mexicans pushing whites out through sheer numbers, and Jews pushing whites out of politics and finance what are white people supposed to do?

    Fight like hell for position. For relevancy. For a future.

    Simon. White Iq may be higher than 98, but only if you count Jews. If you separate out the smart white people from the general white population, an Iq of 98 sounds about right or is a little too high. Lumping Jews with Gentiles makes about as much sense as including Indians with Mexicans when measuring Iq because they are both brown. Or including Chinese with phillipinos because they have slanted eyes. We are talking about distinct groups here.

    Secondly, all this talk about which country would you rather live in is also a false argument. The US has an inflated economy because the Chinese, Japanese, and Middle Eastern countries buy up our debt. Same for Europe. Without this subsidy I think the standard of living in the US and Europe would be vastly lower. Not to mention the war on drugs that is a US problem, but is destroying Mexico. Without the. US war on drugs Mexico would be a normal country.

    Syon. Say what you want about white gentile accomplishments. Those were a long time ago. Even the Muslims had their heyday when their culture was the most sophisticated and yours was drowning women for being witches.

    Also the field medals does not necessarily mean anything because they are biased. Who judges the achievements? Who is doing the grunt work and not getting credit. Field medals are a reflection on accomplishment, but I would hardley judge other cultures based on their results.

  38. Bruce says:

    “In 1972, a massive test of the Irish put them at IQ 87. Recently they have scored at about 100 (which is exactly what you would expect of a population of Eurowhite PVWs).”

    Yes, but that was one test. Who knows if the 3000 Irishmen were representative of Irelands’s 6 million? Lynn subsequently compiled more data as he indicated in his VDARE response to Unz’s articles.

    I think Poland’s data showed IQ decreasing with increasing prosperity. But that was based on two studies.

  39. Sunbeam says:

    Anonymous wrote:

    “I wonder, is there a reliable IQ study that selects. Chinese and Indian test takers randomly? The orientals and Indians who make it to the US are obviously not representative of the race.”

    I don’t know much about India. I’ve met many US Indians (no we didn’t talk about their caste). Since I met them in one way or another through college (directly or through a network), they have uniformly been doctors, lawyers, engineers, college professors, programmers, etc.

    The only other Indians I have been exposed to are people at Quick-E mart. And motels, can’t forget that one. But in the latter cases, we don’t really talk much you understand.

    But my impression is that Brahmins are a different race than Dalits for example. I’d like to see one of those genetic distance charts applied to Indians. So to my eye Indians are Brahmins; lower class peoples from India are… something else.

  40. Regarding the “More Hispanics attending University of California” link . . .

    If you read the comments there and followed the links posted, you would have discovered that more Hispanics are going to UC because a) the UCs created UC Merced (40+% Hispanic), and b) the lower-rung UCs have lowered their rungs even more.

    Many of those Hispanics are going to UC Merced, UC Riverside, and UC Santa Cruz. The entrance scores for these schools are on par with some of the Cal States. There are rumblings of opening another UC campus to admit even more of these lower-achieving students.

    The “real” UC schools—Berkeley, L.A., San Diego, Irvine—are still predominantly white and Asian, with Hispanics down near 12% of undergrads.

    So, bad example, Freddy.

  41. Bruce says:

    “IQs tend to wander according to the argument one is making”
    IQs tend to wander around because IQ tests are less precise than measuring something like height and sometimes researchers don’t do a good job picking a representative sample.
    “China, mysteriously, is put at 100 but, since Singapore, genetically identical, is given as 108…”
    Singapore is not genetically identical in that Singapore’s Chinese population is a small subset of China’s and there are large numbers of Indians and Malays present as well.
    “You are familiar with the concept of standard deviation? You can calculate one?”
    I would assume they would just plug the data into excel (or the linux open source equivalents) and use the “normdist” and similar functions (probability density or cumulative depending on the application). Or they might use Matlab or Mathcad if they’re geeks. Most of the HDB’rs are numerate.
    This article isn’t good satire and I’m not aware of many HBDr’s and doesn’t’ work as a serious criticism since there aren’t many race realists arguing for the extinction of black and brown people because of their lower IQs. However, it is a very well written “poke ‘em in the eye” article.

  42. syonredux says:

    Anonymous:”Lol. Fred really touched a nerve here. And I’m not surprised. With black people pushing whites out of sports”

    West African Blacks are dominant over all races (Caucasoids, East Asians, etc) in Track and Field. Black rates of achievement are much less impressive in Swimming, Weightlifting, etc.

    Anonymous:” and music,”

    Actually, compared to their performance during the period 1900-1990, Blacks seem to be slowing down. Perhaps too much Black musical talent is being channeled into Hip-Hop?

    Anonymous:”Asians pushing whites out of science and academia,”

    The Nobel and Fields Medal winners lists argue otherwise; East Asian performance is still badly lagging behind White performance.

    Anonymous:”Mexicans pushing whites out through sheer numbers,”

    A phenomenon that is occurring because Americans, unlike Israelis, refuse to defend their borders.

    Anonymous:” and Jews pushing whites out of politics”

    White Jews are hardly pushing White Gentiles out of politics. To cite only the most obvious example, we have not had a White Jewish president.

    Anonymous:”and finance what are white people supposed to do?”

    White Jews have done disproportionately well in finance.

    Anonymous:”Simon. White Iq may be higher than 98, but only if you count Jews.”

    White Jews are too few to have an impact on overall White IQ.So, this is quite wrong.

    Anonymous:” If you separate out the smart white people from the general white population, an Iq of 98 sounds about right or is a little too high.”

    Which would be idiotic. The mean IQ is derived from calculating the combined total.

    Anonymous:” Lumping Jews with Gentiles ”

    Gentile is the term used to refer to everyone who is not Jewish. For example, the Japanese are Gentiles. I assume that you are referring only to White Gentiles?

    Anonymous:”makes about as much sense as including Indians with Mexicans when measuring Iq because they are both brown.”

    Actually, South Asians are, on a per capita basis, a lot browner than Mexicans. And no one would ever lump South Asians with Mexicans; they are not related.

    And White Gentiles and White Jews are very closely related. Here, via WEST HUNTER:

    “I’m looking at abstracts on Ashkenazi genetics from ASHG 2013 and SMBE 2014 – by the same group, with Shai Carmi as the lead author. They did 128 whole genomes, 50x deep.

    They concluded Ashkenazi Jews were about 50% Middle Eastern and 50% European. In the 2013 abstract, they were pretty specific: they estimated the European ancestry fraction at 55% , plus or minus 2%. ( In our book, we had a crude estimate of about 40% European ancestry.) They estimated the split between Europeans and Middle Easterners at about 9000 BC: which sounds about the right date for the entry of the Sardinian-like farmers. From other data (mtDNA) , and from the fact that you see almost zero WHG or ANE in Ashkenazi autosomal genes, one can conclude that the European admixture was mostly Italian, with some southern French. Very little German or Slavic – by that time serious endogamy had set in..”

    So, Ashkenazi Jews (the ones with the really high average IQs) are around 50% European in ancestry. This is in contrast to South Asians, who are zero percent Mexican Amerind in ancestry.

    Anonymous:”Or including Chinese with phillipinos because they have slanted eyes. We are talking about distinct groups here.”

    The Chinese and the Filipinos are are a lot more closely related than are South Asians and Mexicans.

    Anonymous:”Secondly, all this talk about which country would you rather live in is also a false argument. The US has an inflated economy because the Chinese, Japanese, and Middle Eastern countries buy up our debt. Same for Europe. Without this subsidy I think the standard of living in the US and Europe would be vastly lower.”

    Probably not.For one thing, that would mean fewer Mexicans, and that would be a vast improvement for the USA.

    Anonymous:” Not to mention the war on drugs that is a US problem, but is destroying Mexico. Without the. US war on drugs Mexico would be a normal country.”

    Well, a normal country that was full of people with low IQs…..

    Anonymous:”Syon. Say what you want about white gentile accomplishments. Those were a long time ago. ”

    Except that they weren’t. Cf the list of Fields Medalists. Not to mention this list of living White Gentiles that I keep on cutting and pasting:Bill Gates, Cormac McCarthy, Don DeLillo, Thomas Pynchon, Warren Buffet, Jonathan Franzen, Martin Scorsese, Terrence Malick, Peter Higgs (Nobel in physics), Alice Munro (Nobel in Lit), George Smith (Nobel in physics), Jack Kilby (Nobel in physics), Wozniak, Chris Nolan,etc, etc.

    Anonymous:”Even the Muslims had their heyday when their culture was the most sophisticated ”

    Were the Muslims more sophisticated than China and the Byzantine Empire? I rather doubt that. Plus, the Muslim period of superiority over Europe (excluding the Byzantine parts) was quite brief. By 1100 Latin Europe was Islam’s peer.

    Anonymous:”and yours was drowning women for being witches.”

    Drowning, eh? Well, I’m an Anglo, so no. Anglo witches were hanged.

    Anonymous:”Also the field medals does not necessarily mean anything because they are biased. ”

    Any proof of this? Mathematics is the closest thing that we have to something that is truly objective. Hence, the Fields Medals are probably much more objective than the Nobels, where PC comes into play.

    Anonymous:”Who judges the achievements?”

    The only people who are qualified. Other mathematicians.

    Anonymous:” Who is doing the grunt work and not getting credit. ”

    One of the charming things about mathematics is that it is much closer to being a solo endeavor than, say, physics. Hence, the man (no woman has ever won a Fields Medal) who wins has largely done so through his own efforts.

    Anonymous:”Field medals are a reflection on accomplishment, but I would hardley judge other cultures based on their results.”

    Well, I wouldn’t rely on them alone. But when you add the fact that Latin America has no Fields Medals to the fact that Latin America does poorly by every metric of accomplishment (cf Mexico’s paltry 3 Nobel Laureates vs 10 for Scotland, 15 for Australia, 23 for Canada, 74 for England , 306 for the USA, …..), the emerging picture is rather grim. Latin America is a virtual desert when it comes to Human Achievement.

  43. What’s missing in Mexico, India, Africa and most other backwards countries is the cultural infrastructure, both psychological and official, to enforce contracts.

    Contracts imply trust that projects intentions into the future. There must be policemen and judges who will enforce the Law as it is intended and not as they wish it to be. There must be honest, independent inspectors present at concrete pours for large dams etc. and they must hold the contractor to generally accepted civil engineering standards.

    Take Mexican highway Route 1 that runs north/south the length of the Baja as an example. In many places, the asphalt has broken up and speed is reduced to 25 mph by the resulting washboard. Upon examination, the asphalt appears to have been laid over bare ground, with no preparation of the subsurface. And the layer was only an inch or two thick. Nowhere in the world would this meet recognized Civil Engineering standards. This is typical of Mexico. Electrical installations are similarly substandard, potable water and waste water as well.

    As Steve Sailor has repeatedly pointed out, countries made up of genetically related clans find it difficult to function in advanced ways because of lack of social trust between competing factions. So, while it is important for any nation to have a functioning intellectual Elite, it may be equally important for them to be somewhat genetically related so that they can feel as though their sense of duty and altruism are worthwhile. Importing alien foreign elite is simply not necessary for America to thrive. As the calculations above show, America’s problem is that she is underutilizing the native white talent she has and further, that this is a deliberate product of imperial social engineering undertaken by a hostile, alien, occupying elite.

    Fred doesn’t break out whites by nationality. I would place my bets upon German engineering and social organization for now and for the foreseeable future. Unfortunately it appears as though Germany’s enemies are destroying the social fabric within the country by the same divide and rule tactic of imposing too much trust-destroying alien immigration.

  44. This “essay” proves that ethanol (C2H5OH to Fred) is destructive to intelligence regardless of the IQ of the imbiber/essayist.

  45. I know I’ve had my say, but there’s one more concept I’d like to introduce. There’s no single word for it in our language but it has to do with a people’s genius for tinkering and experimenting in a systematic, problem-solving way. Today’s generation of social theorists miss this aspect of development entirely and this may be because they are themselves so lacking in the trait in question, being themselves the products of a very theoretical concept-based educational system. They are dimly aware of the issue though and have gropingly racked their brains in trying to figure out why, for example, the industrial revolution took place in England and not in Tibet.

    It is only by touring the museums of technology in Europe and by having first-hand experience in a scientific or engineering trade and by acquiring an understanding of the history of technology that one can begin to piece together an answer to the riddle of European dominance in sciences and technology. For they go hand in hand. Science is not just about theorizing. It is also about instruments of observation and measuring. Over and over, the history of science gives examples of solutions to existing problems provided by the invention of a tool in an unrelated field the significance of which was not initially grasped. I don’t think IQ tests capture this quality.

    IQ is a necessary but not a sufficient cause for a nation’s development. Too much emphasis on IQ to the exclusion of technical creativity may be as harmful as too little. We cannot tell because the two traits have never been separated by testing practices in technologically advanced nations.

    I’ve stood in the Deutsche Museum of Technology in Munich and observed busloads of schoolchildren on field trips. They were as noisey and cheerful as schoolchildren everywhere, but nevertheless listened attentively to their teacher’s explanations and asked pertinent questions as they took in the excellent non-dumbed down displays. They were acquiring their country’s deep commitment to engineering excellence and respect for knowledge. Japanese display the same earnestness with respect to technical knowledge. The nations that succeed seem to be led by a class of Elite who are not afraid of hand’s-on knowledge about subjects in the natural sciences. I can’t be optimistic about America’s future when presented with the knowledge that China is being led by a Cabinet composed almost exclusively of Engineers while America is being led by Lawyers.

  46. syonredux says:

    Threecranes:”I’ve stood in the Deutsche Museum of Technology in Munich and observed busloads of schoolchildren on field trips. They were as noisey and cheerful as schoolchildren everywhere, but nevertheless listened attentively to their teacher’s explanations and asked pertinent questions as they took in the excellent non-dumbed down displays. They were acquiring their country’s deep commitment to engineering excellence and respect for knowledge. Japanese display the same earnestness with respect to technical knowledge. The nations that succeed seem to be led by a class of Elite who are not afraid of hand’s-on knowledge about subjects in the natural sciences. I can’t be optimistic about America’s future when presented with the knowledge that China is being led by a Cabinet composed almost exclusively of Engineers while America is being led by Lawyers.”

    America during the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries was led by lawyers, yet America still produced an enviable array of inventors and industrialists: Fulton, John Fitch, Benjamin Franklin, The Wright Brothers, Thomas Edison, Morse and Vail, Robert Goddard, Joseph Henry, William Shockley, John Bardeen, Walter Brattain, Philo Farnsworth, Lee de Forest, Henry Ford, Alexander Graham Bell (three nations have a claim on him: UK, Canada, USA), Irving Langmuir, etc.

    The real threat to America comes from the importation of a low IQ underclass from Latin America.

    PS: Corrected a typo

  47. dwiggmd says: • Website

    I would argue that Ashkenazi Jews are white europeans – a subgroup thereof

  48. Bruce says:

    Greg Cochran says half-Italian, half Middle-Eastern.

  49. syonredux [AKA "marlowe"] says:

    dwiggmd:”I would argue that Ashkenazi Jews are white europeans – a subgroup thereof”

    That’s what the evidence indicates, that they are a Euro subgroup. Syon posted this from Greg Cochran’s blog, but it seems to bear repeating:

    “I’m looking at abstracts on Ashkenazi genetics from ASHG 2013 and SMBE 2014 – by the same group, with Shai Carmi as the lead author. They did 128 whole genomes, 50x deep.

    They concluded Ashkenazi Jews were about 50% Middle Eastern and 50% European. In the 2013 abstract, they were pretty specific: they estimated the European ancestry fraction at 55% , plus or minus 2%. ( In our book, we had a crude estimate of about 40% European ancestry.) They estimated the split between Europeans and Middle Easterners at about 9000 BC: which sounds about the right date for the entry of the Sardinian-like farmers. From other data (mtDNA) , and from the fact that you see almost zero WHG or ANE in Ashkenazi autosomal genes, one can conclude that the European admixture was mostly Italian, with some southern French. Very little German or Slavic – by that time serious endogamy had set in..”

  50. Stealth says:

    I’m not qualified to discuss IQ differences between human races, so I’m content to let Mr. Reed and his foes fight that battle. I will say that I don’t think you have to personally visit Mexico to determine that it’s a third world country with a lot of the problems typical of such a place. It isn’t New Guinea, but it’s still bad by our standards.

    Here’s a brief but very informative list of things you can learn about Mexico without ever setting foot south of the border:

    1. Much of Mexico can be seen with Google Street View. It’s not pretty. Monterrey looks respectable, and there are a few livable corners in other cities, but for the most part it’s pretty rough.

    2. Mexico’s water supply is contaminated by organisms that will make you sick. This seems to be a pervasive issue from one end of the country to the other. A few web pages I’ve read chalk it up to traveller’s diarrhea, but many other countries don’t have this problem (This I do know from personal experience). Another explanation I’ve heard is that the contamination is due to fecal matter getting into the water supply. IF (!) that’s true, then Mexico has some serious improvements to make. Things like that are a huge blow to the country’s image and respectability.

    3. Mexico is seriously violent. As bad as the United States seems to be, I’ve never heard of American drug dealers forcing bus passengers to engage in gladiator-style combat with each other. Mexico’s official intentional homicide rate is many times that of the US. Drug gangs dominate vast areas of the country.

    4. Bribery and other corruption occurs on a daily basis just about everywhere.

    5. Mexicans come here, not the other way around.

    None of these things reflect well on Mexico, and it’s understandable that Americans are concerned about the flood of people coming in from Mexico and Central America.

  51. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Jeez, that stuff about literary names was really dumb. Imagine I walked up to Lee Kwan Yu and asked, “have you read Updike? Chabon? How about Martin Amis? None of them? Boy, you’re really smart aren’t you?

  52. Sean says:

    How foolish to think that average IQ is anything to do with Stuyvesant (and Bronx Science) being 70% Asian. According to Razib the category of whites ( he does not say explicitly, but this includes non gentile whites) are less overrepresented than Asians in the top NY public schools. Increasing Asian immigration means ever more Asian students, which means either gentile whites are going to have to become ridiculously rare at university, or there is going to be ever increasing awareness of the necessity of discrimination, against Asians. But it’s nothing to do with IQ, obviously.

    Mexico is going to perform as good or even better when it’s smartest people are living and reproducing in the US, because the genes don’t matter. The average smart Mexican can just be trained up, obviously. It will probably play out much the same as when the educated African Americans left the ghettos, and they became such pleasant places.

  53. syonredux says:

    Since a lot of wordage has been thrown around about various ethnic/racial groups and their level of accomplishment, here are some figures:

    “The ethnic breakdown I come up with for the March 2013 update of Forbes’ “The World’s Billionaires” list:

    No. %
    Northwestern European 413 28.96
    Asian or Pacific Islander 313 21.95
    Jewish 252 17.67
    Middle Eastern or Central Asian 120 8.42
    Eastern European 95 6.66
    Southern European 84 5.89
    (New World) Hispanic or Brazilian 74 5.19
    South Asian 69 4.84
    Black 6 0.42
    total 1426 100″

    (http://racehist.blogspot.com/2013/04/ethnic-origins-of-forbes-world.html)

  54. Hello

    How about you go over to West Hunter and explain to Greg and Henry how those Hispanics in New Mexico are about to jump to the US mean real soon now and let’s see if you convince them. With a nice big population to draw from you point at the tail and call it a dog. You are smarter than that you old curmudgeon.

  55. Rex May says: • Website

    Actually, every race realist I’ve ever read takes pains to mention that while White IQ is considerably higher than Black, Eastasian and Ashkenazi IQ is higher still. I don’t know any who dispute that or try to ignore it. More quibbles here:
    Fred Reed writes about race and IQ, and Ex-Army critiques him a little.

    http://ex-army.blogspot.com/2014/06/the-curmudgeons-curmudgeon-fred-reed.html

  56. rod1963 says:

    The whole issue of extinction is a red herring, it’s really the result of our corporate and social elites supporting policies that are destructive to the whites and their family system. Not a result of IQ.

    A lot of the problems can be traced to white altruism, open borders and government programs that encourage stupid people to churn out litters of morons and simpletons who then in turn produce more while taxing the daylights out of productive whites who in turn stop having kids in order to make ends meet while little Julio and Juanita live the life of riley thanks to government aid.

    We gotta go tribal like the rest.

    We can start fixing a lot of our ills by doing the following:

    1) Copy the Jews and practice a form of eugenics and always protect our own kind. Don’t allow the smart kids to marry minorities and have children with them. Bring back social ostracism for those engage in miscegenation.

    2) Form our version of the ADL and ACLU that looks out for white interests. Every other ethnic group has their tribal warrior outfits like La Raza, Mecha, Black Panthers, CAIR, ISNA, etc. It’s time we did the same.

    3) Copy the Israelis and Mexicans and promote secure borders and a no nonsense expulsion policy.

    4) Get rid of all government programs that promote unwed motherhood. And in general after a mother has one child, no additional welfare. Nothing no food stamps, nothing. If the mother is a crack head, idiot, nut job and keeps pumping out kids then sterilize her like we used to in early part of the 20th century.

    Stop encouraging the mass production of stupidity and criminality.

    5) Put a 50 year moratorium on non-whites trying to immigrate to the U.S. No exemptions.

    6) Expel all H1-B and L-1 tech workers.

    7) Until we these in place we should copy the Mexicans and Blacks. Don’t work, figure out a way to game the system. Get on SSDI, welfare, SNAP cards. Try to get every form of free s**t imaginable. Claim you’re a American Indian and get even more free stuff and get a government job you can never be fired from. There are lots of fat, white, balding Indians out there, we even got a phony one in the Senate.

    And yeah don’t be a tool for Madison Avenue and Wall Street. Don’t buy into the latest advertising garbage shoved out by corporate America that says you have to have a BMW, a McMansion and Plasma screen. All that gets you is bad health, a pissed off family that hates your guts and later a divorce. And all for what? Some name brand junk that some sociopath on TV told you that it would make your life better?. Don’t be a sucker, be smart, buy used or through swap meets, buy at Salvation Army and GoodWill. Don’t let the TV drive your decisions. By doing this you give a big middle finger to the guys that have run this country into the dirt and made the lives of most working class white people a hell . Starve the big box stores and starve the state in the process.

  57. syonredux says:

    Unz version:”“A man of your cultivation cannot have failed to read Latin-American authors—Borges, Juan Rulfo, Vargas LLosa, Benedetti, Neruda, Perez-Reverte, Octavio Paz, Carolos Fuentes, Carlos Monsivais?” ”

    Taki’s version:”“A man of your cultivation cannot have failed to read Latin-American authors—Borges, Juan Rulfo, Vargas Llosa, Benedetti, Neruda, Octavio Paz, Carlos Fuentes, Carlos Monsiváis?””

    MMMM, see that you have edited out Perez-Reverte for this article’s appearance in Taki’s……Can’t say that I blame you. That’s the kind of error that makes people wonder how well you really know Latin America, Fred.

  58. quercus says:

    ” Careful examination shows that an imposing part of what we think of as white European achievement is actually Jewish achievement.”

    Does Fred read the comments to his posts? If so would he be so kind to provide answers.

    First. Are not Jews who lived in Europe, white and European, or are you making the argument that Jews are neither European nor white, but just something called “Jews”?

    Second. Please, Fred, enlighten us and dispel the misbegotten notion that a good deal of scientific, intellectual, and musical achievement rather than being gentile achievements were Jewish achievements by providing the names of those Jews.

  59. Sunbeam says:

    Quercus wrote:

    “Second. Please, Fred, enlighten us and dispel the misbegotten notion that a good deal of scientific, intellectual, and musical achievement rather than being gentile achievements were Jewish achievements by providing the names of those Jews.”

    You really think this is nonsense? I could make a very strong case for this in an argument.

    Then we have the Clintonian quibble “How much is a good deal, anyway?” We also have to consider the time period too. Because it really seems to me that you don’t see Jewish intellectual contributions to European thought till about the 1700′s. I’ll admit that there may have been individuals, *cough that were either Jewish or had lots of Jewish genes that may have had an influence, but it doesn’t seem like they were identifiable as Jews.

    Jews are kind of paradoxical in a way. If they don’t engage the world and become guys like Feynman, Von Neuman, or Einstein, well they are useless. If they stay in something like a Lubavitcher kind of world and write endless commentary on the Torah or philology or something…

    Well that doesn’t mean much of anything.

  60. syonredux says:

    Sunbeam:”You really think this is nonsense? I could make a very strong case for this in an argument.”

    That Jews have made strong contributions in certain fields (physics, economics, etc), sure. On the other hand, their contributions to art and evolutionary theory have been less impressive.

    Sunbeam:”Then we have the Clintonian quibble “How much is a good deal, anyway?””

    Well, let’s use Murray’s Giants category in HUMAN ACCOMPLISHMENT, limiting ourselves to the top 5 in each list:

    Astronomy:
    1. Galileo (not Jewish)
    2.Kepler (not Jewish)
    3. W. Herschel (not Jewish)
    4. Laplace (not Jewish)
    5. Copernicus (not Jewish)

    Biology:

    1. Darwin (not Jewish)

    2. Aristotle (not Jewish)

    3. Lamarck (not Jewish)

    4. Cuvier (not Jewish)

    5. Morgan (not Jewish)

    Chemistry:
    1. Lavoisier (not Jewish)
    2. Berzelius (not Jewish)
    3. Scheele (not Jewish)
    4. Priestly (not Jewish)
    5. Davy (not Jewish)

    Earth Sciences:
    1. Lyell (not Jewish)
    2. Hutton (not Jewish)
    3. W. Smith (not Jewish)
    4. Agricola (not Jewish)
    5. Werner (not Jewish)

    Physics:
    1. Newton (not Jewish)
    1. Einstein (Jewish)
    2. Rutherford (not Jewish)
    3. Faraday (not Jewish)
    4. Galileo (not Jewish)
    5. Cavendish (not Jewish)

    Mathematics:

    1. Euler (not Jewish)

    2. Newton (not Jewish)

    3. Euclid (not Jewish)

    4. Gauss (not Jewish)

    5. Fermat (not Jewish)

    Medicine:
    1. Pasteur (not Jewish)
    2. Hippocrates (not Jewish)
    3. Koch (not Jewish)
    4. Galen (not Jewish)
    5. Paracelsus (not Jewish)

    Technology:
    1. Watt (not Jewish)
    1. Edison (not Jewish)
    2. Leonardo (not Jewish)
    3. Huygens (not Jewish)
    4. Archimedes (not Jewish)
    5. Marconi (not Jewish)

    Western Philosophy:

    1. Aristotle (not Jewish)
    2. Plato (not Jewish)
    3. Kant (not Jewish)
    4. Descartes (not Jewish)
    5. Hegel (not Jewish)

    Western Music:

    1. Beethoven (not Jewish)
    2. Mozart (not Jewish)
    3. J.S. Bach (not Jewish)
    4. Wagner (not Jewish*)
    5. Haydn (not Jewish)

    Western Art:
    1. Michelangelo (not Jewish)
    2. Picasso (not Jewish)
    3. Raphael (not Jewish)
    4. Leonardo (not Jewish)
    5. Titian (not Jewish)

    Western Literature:

    1. Shakespeare (not Jewish)
    2. Goethe (not Jewish)
    3. Dante (not Jewish)
    4. Virgil (not Jewish)
    5. Homer (not Jewish)

    Only one White Jewish guy makes the the top 5. Now, admittedly Einstein is a towering figure (tied with Newton), but I’m not sure that he quite makes up for the overall dearth of White Jews….

    Sunbeam:”We also have to consider the time period too. Because it really seems to me that you don’t see Jewish intellectual contributions to European thought till about the 1700′s.”

    Via Paul and the other New Testament writers, Jews played a major role in shaping Euro thought at the beginning of the Christian era. After that, it’s pretty much a desert (Maimonides?) until you get to Spinoza in the 1600s. In the main, though, one has to wait until the 19th century before Jews start contributing in significant numbers.

    Sunbeam:” I’ll admit that there may have been individuals, *cough that were either Jewish or had lots of Jewish genes that may have had an influence, but it doesn’t seem like they were identifiable as Jews.”

    Montaigne springs to mind (converso ancestry)

    Sunbeam:”Jews are kind of paradoxical in a way. If they don’t engage the world”

    In other words, if they don’t embrace Western thought.

    * Wagner feared that Ludwig Geyer, his possible biological father, was Jewish. According to the available evidence, Geyer was not Jewish.

  61. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    FarEast are more intelligent than western? The base DNA, the proof a few twins, divided after birth (surely one is grown up in a favela the other adopted by Einstein).

    Sorry folks, it seems that writing internet articles is a main reason for “Caucasian decline” (which is the next stupid slogan but useful for a reader community build up).

    All this high performers with an average brain point zero something over main see level surely has made all the inventions the world has seen the last few hundred years. From black powder to ink or did i miss something like seamless pipes or marshmallows ?

    The reason for success is far more simple. My tennis trainer has given the big secret at the first lesson. “In every game everything is overrated, except diligence.”

  62. quercus says:

    @Sunbeam

    “You really think this is nonsense? I could make a very strong case for this in an argument.”

    Well, Sunbeam, you make a very weak case because you make no case at all. As I’ve written before, you see Jewish intellectual achievements beginning in the 1700s or so, after they broke free of the stupidity and superstition of a religion that practices numerology, and because I suspect that Jews were influenced by the European enlightenment, which was overwhelmingly a gentile phenomenon.

  63. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Fred, you are a great writer but when you get sober, could you please fix all the numerous typos?

    And, seriously, Perez-Reverte, Latin-American author? Don’t drink and post, OK?

  64. “… Since I met them in one way or another through college (directly or through a network), they have uniformly been doctors, lawyers, engineers, college professors, programmers, etc.

    The only other Indians I have been exposed to are people at Quick-E mart. And motels, can’t forget that one. But in the latter cases, we don’t really talk much you understand.

    But my impression is that Brahmins are a different race than Dalits for example. I’d like to see one of those genetic distance charts applied to Indians. So to my eye Indians are Brahmins; lower class peoples from India are… something else. ” ( Sunbean)

    It seems that your ( and likely most Americans’ ) perception on this is very wrong, because

    – Brahmins has > 5% of India’s total population, which making it > 60 million.

    – total numbers of Indians in the US are about 2 million. Even half of them are Brahmins, say 1 million, it tells that only about 1.6% of Brahmins population have been immigrated into the US.

    –since the US has a very high level of selective immigration standard on immigrants from India, this 1.6% is logically most likley the top 1.6% of entire Brahmins population in India.

    Start to get the true picture?

    And the good thing is that one can pretty accurately get the avergae IQ of Brahmins population through a bit calculation:

    –some data derived from average household wealth in the US-based Brahmins (the highest in the US) suggest that these Brahmins in the US have an average IQ of about 120. However Indian Nationlaists try to use the same data to prove/insiuate that average IQ of the entire Brahmins population is 120.

    –but this avg IQ of 120 is largely achieved by, and only reflected, about top 1.6% of the total Brahmins population, one can easily bootstrack backtowards to calculate the real average IQ of Brahmins population which is only about 90.

    Of course this average 90 IQ of Brahmins IQ is of the highest “caste” in India, very different from “low caste” Dalits which is in the 70′s, yet it’s not even close to the European average of 100, but about Thailand’s or Iran’s for that matter. This is equivalent to say that if the US had choosed the top 1.6% of Thai or Iranian cognitive elites for immigration instead of Brahmins (and if the Thai or Iranian govenement allows this happening anyway), you would have seen that suddenly somehow “all” the Thais or Iranians in the US are about doctors, lawyers, engineers, college professors, programmers…just like what you see in Brahmins. Very straight forward, really.

    Many other ways also exist to reach the similar conclusion, such as average brain size of the Brahmins. I doubt that it’s anywhere close to that of the Europeans.

  65. @Sunbean

    It’s very ironic that many Americans complain the impact of lower IQ Mexican influx, while praise Indian (i.e. “high caste” Brahmins) influx on the other hand.

    In fact as my previous post shows that avergae IQ of Brahmins of 90 is about the same as Mexican’s which is high 80′s. The only difference is that Mexican imigrants the US has are by the large avergae or below average Mexicans in Mexico, whereas the Indian Brahmin immigrants are by and large the top 1.6% of high end IQ curve entire Brahmin population in India.

    Don’t you think that if the US only allows the top 1.6% of intellectual elites in Mexico for immigration, like it does on the Brahmins, won’t you see “all the Mexcians in the US are suddenly doctors, lawyers, engineers, college professors, programmers” as well?

  66. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “China, mysteriously, is put at 100 but, since Singapore, genetically identical, is given as 108, this would seem the best figure for developed Chinese societies.” (Fred Reed)

    Singapore is of >83% Hakka/Cantonese, both being Han Chinese . The rest are much lowerd IQ Malays and Tamil Indians with average IQ in the 80s.

    Singapore Han Chinese were by and large the descendents of South China landless farmers (with below average IQ) who migranted into Malaysia to make a better living in the last 200 years or so. However, their average IQ nowadays should have already reached the Han Chinese average IQ due to Mean Reversal.

    Even though Singpaore has recently absorbed some elite immigrants from places like HK/China mainalnd, Taiwan, Europe, India, etc due to globalization, the impact on the average IQ is not significant.

    If Singapore’s given avg IQ is 108, then the Han Chinese mean IQ in a developed Han Chinese-based society should have been well into 110′s in the long run. This is perfectly in accord with the history of the East Asia, given the fact that the Han Chinese have claimed cultural and technological superiority over the Japanese(IQ 105) and the Koreans (IQ 106) for the entire written history, except the last 100 years when Japan westernized by copying technologies from industrialized England and has become a close ally of USA after WW2, whereas China has been dragged down by continuous civil wars, Western invasions and Maoist Communism.

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