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U.S. International Mathematical Olympiad team that in 2016 took the world title: members Ankan Bhattacharya, Allen Liu, Ashwin Sah, Michael Kural, Yuan Yao, Junyao Peng, and coach Po-Shen Loh
U.S. International Mathematical Olympiad team that in 2016 took the world title: members Ankan Bhattacharya, Allen Liu, Ashwin Sah, Michael Kural, Yuan Yao, Junyao Peng, and coach Po-Shen Loh

I have gotten many hundreds of emails–OK, three emails, but I am rounding up–asking me whether there is a super-race. There are different views on this matter, discussion being carried on with the manners of a hockey match. For people who have better things to do than study abnormal psychology, the players are briefly as follows: Something called the Alt-Right that believes the white race to be superior and wants to rid the country of of encroaching dark scum. The Human Biodiversity movement, HBD, more scientific and less surly but picking whites while conceding that yellow are smarter. Finally IQists, who believe that IQ is a reliable measure of genetic intelligence. They too put yellows as more intelligent.

The Alt-Right believes that the whites are innately–i.e., genetically–superior to all other races, that they have dominated the world through higher intelligence, and that their mastery is the result of Darwinian selection. Whites, they say, have a marvelous track record of achievement, and they don’t want to dilute it by intermarriage.

They have a point. It is not thought politic in today’s racial climate to notice the obvious, that white Europeans have been far and away the most successful race yet. (The “yet” is important.) No other has even come close. Various peoples have learned to use the products of European civilization–the Japanese, Latin Americans, Thais, etc. at length–but have not engendered it. Look around you and see whether you can find anything that was not invented by European whites (other than paper and gunpowder).

But:

International Physics Olympiad. Internationally, top four contestants were Chinese, Chinese, Korean, Korean, with eleven of the top fifteen being east Asian. The US first appeared in sixteenth place. The American team: Jason Lu,  Srijon Mukherjee, Vincent Liu,  Abijith Krishnan,  Jimmy Qi. Less than six percent of America is Asian.
International Physics Olympiad. Internationally, top four contestants were Chinese, Chinese, Korean, Korean, with eleven of the top fifteen being east Asian. The US first appeared in sixteenth place. The American team: Jason Lu, Srijon Mukherjee, Vincent Liu, Abijith Krishnan, Jimmy Qi. Less than six percent of America is Asian.

Many in HBD concede that north Asians, specifically, the Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans are more intelligent than white Europeans. While many outside of HBD (including me) doubt the reliability of IQ tests as measures of intelligence, the HBD people do not. They often assert that observation supports their view–that achievements of both individuals and peoples track IQ, that high achievement is therefore evidence of high IQ.

It would then seem to be Asians, not whites, who are wildly over represented in intellectual achievement. Races other than white and yellow races are not even in the running.

Although Asians comprise only 13 percent of California’s population, three-fifths of the state’s National Merit Scholarship Semifinalists have Asian last names. (Good article on this: Taki’s Magazine) These Semifinalists are in the top .5% in intelligence, or one in two hundred. The Asian kids outnumber the whites by more than four to one.

Now, background: Worldwide we are seeing a demographic shift of a speed and scale that makes the barbarian occupation of the Roman empire seem lackadaisical. America, already substantially African, has opened the floodgates to Latin America and simultaneously imports people from a variety of underperforming societies. Why they underperform can be debated; that they do so cannot. Exactly why America does this is not clear. Races and nations have often been overrun and absorbed by others, but white Americans are to my knowledge the only ones to deliberately submerge themselves racially.

Brain size: Blacks 1267 cm3, European-descended people (Whites) 1347 cm3, and East Asian-descended people (East Asians) 1364 cm3

At the same time Europe deliberately and without need imports huge numbers of people of incompatible and unsuccessful stock, various Muslims and Africans, with disastrous consequences. Meanwhile the white world seems exhausted, the American Empire in decline, with corruption, lack of will, sorry universities, and poor government taking a lethal toll.

Now it is Eurowhites who are the racial under-performers. Again, nobody else is even in the game.

Psychometricians, who are neither the highly politicized IQists nor racist peddlers of Hitlerian pseudoscience, but very careful statisticians, put Chinese IQ at above 105, white at 100. This is not a trivial difference, and has serious consequences at the high end of the distribution.

China rises with astonishing speed. Alt-Righters are thus caught in a trap: Their arguments for the superiority of whites to blacks and Latinos equally show the superiority of Asians to whites. Anyway, if their conclusions are correct, the Chinese will be well advised not to intermarry with whites and thereby lower their mental capacity. I presume that HBDists will sympathize with this attitude as they too want to protect their genetic purity.

Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology, Alexandria, Va. is a very, very elite school–elite in brains. Average math SAT: 759. “Of the 457 students in the Class of 2016, 162 are National Merit Semi-Finalists, and an additional 210 are National Merit Commended students.” Again, Semi-Finalists are in the top .5% in intelligence. TJ is over 66% Asian.

Bronx High School of Science, likewise very selective: 63% Asian. Brooklyn Tech, another of New York’s three hyper-selective high schools: 61% Asian, 22% white

If they are right, the implications are interesting. In the United States, blacks and Latinos barely show up in the high-end sciences. The are probably a third of the population. This leaves a bit more than two hundred million whites and a few Asians to do the brain work on which modern societies depend.

The number of these cannot much be increased. Further, America long ago put in places a system for sucking the best minds out of the whole country and sending them to good universities. For example, as long ago as the Sixties all high-school students could take the National Merit exam and semifinalists got recruiting packages from Harvard, Yale and, if memory serves, Princeton.

Numbers matter. Add up a billion Han Chinese–this doesn’t count Muslim Uighurs in Xin Jiang–126 million Japanese, 75 million Koreans, and you get and you get a formidable combined population. China alone can potentially field five times the engineers that America can, starting from a pool of higher intelligence.

Yuja Wang at Carnegie: Not just engineering.

The slant-eyed Asians are especially strong in mathematical fields. In fact, they seem so superior to Eurowhites that any reasonable person might expect them to dominate the sciences and engineering in the whole world in coming years. A few of the examples I have given here might be explained by culture, local demographics, and so on. Collectively they appear to be a death knell to European intellectual mastery, set to overwhelm America in the STEM fields of science, technology, orienteering, and math.

CalTech has probably the most demanding entrance standards in America and does not practice affirmative action. It is 45% Asian, 27% white, 12% Hispanic, 1% black.

As I suspect HBDists would agree, since we are using their standards of judgement we begin to see replacement of a dominant race by a superior race.

PISA scores, This is the Program for International Scholastic Assessment, administered every three years to high school students by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. The seven top scorers in math: Singapore, Hongkong, Macao, Taiwan, Japan, China, and Korea. The Verbal order was not much different.

Anyone following the breakneck development of China since Mousey Dung stopped crippling his country will see that a great deal of intelligence is being deployed. Increasingly, and rapidly. China makes inroads into what has been white European superiority in genetics, computing, weaponry, publication of scientific papers, and so on. And not just China.

Scripps Spelling Bee: “Seventeen out of the last twenty one winners (from 1999 to 2016), including all champions for the most recent nine years… have been Indian Americans.. Indian-Americans make up less than one percent of the U.S. population.[4] In 2016, Nihar Janga from Austin, Texas, became the youngest champion in the bee’s history when he won the title at the age of 11.”

The combined evidence is crushing. In my years as a writer on technology I noticed what then seemed to me an unusual number of Asian names in staff lists of advanced laboratories. I doubt this has changed. Recently a friend in California, with an Asian wife, and therefore plugged into that community, told me that the carefully unspoken view was that “The whites are lazy and stupid.”

The Putnam math aptitude test. Wikipedia: “It is widely considered to be the most prestigious university-level mathematics examination in the world, and its difficulty is such that the median score is often zero or one (out of 120) despite being attempted by students specializing in mathematics.” Winners, mostly from the Ivy League:

2015 Pakawut Jiradilok, Bumsoo Kim, Gyujin Oh,
Daniel Spivak, David H. Yang, Yunkun Zhou. Female winner, Danielle Wang.

2014 Ravi Jagadeesan, Zipei Nie, Mark A. Sellke, Bobby C. Shen, David H. Yang, Lingfu Zhang.

Given the overwhelming evidence of Asian superiority, we might well ask ourselves how we ought to respond. The Alt-Right says that, well, they’re smart but they can’t innovate so it doesn’t matter. Let us pray.

Stuyvesant High School: Very high-end, New York, over 3000 students, second highest number of National Merit Semi-Finalists after Thomas Jefferson, admission solely on a very demanding entrance test. As of the 2014-15 school year, Asian students made up 73% of the school’s population; White students, 20%; Latinos, 3%; Blacks, 1%; and unknown/other, 7%.[38][39]

It seems to me that the Alt-Right-HBD folk, believing in the evolutionary principle of survival of the fittest, in the genetic and therefore immutable nature of intelligence, and that IQ is an accurate measure of intelligence and therefore of Darwinian fitness, must conclude that we whites, to better the species, should stop breeding and allow the more advanced species to supplant us. I await their acclamation for presenting this prescient and admirable case.

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(A skeptic might note that the phenomenal achievement of the Asians belonged until recently to Jews, whose genetically immutable IQ seems to have fallen precipitately while the genetically immutable IQ of the Asians has risen in an huge genetic shift without benefit of selective pressure. But let’s not ruin a good story by thinking about it. )

Fred can be reached at jetpossumreaders@yahoo.com. Put the letters pdq somewhere in the subject line to avoid heartless autodeletion by spamicidal software.

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  1. Noticing differences isn’t the same thing as asserting superiority in all realms, though. I’m fairly certain that Asians have a general lack of curiousity – including myself. I credit my largely conservative views for a personal fondness for stability over innovation as well.

    This implies that our accomplishments will be more notable if in fact, all of the low-hanging fruit of science has been picked and there isn’t as much innovation left in the world. If the opposite is true, I’m fairly sure that we will continue to lag behind in many metrics.

    I feel that Mr. Reed’s understanding of HBD’s adherents is limited. I can acknowledge the hereditary advantage of Keynan long-distance runners over mine without necessarily classifying them as a super-race in all aspects of life.

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    • Replies: @Sunbeam
    "I feel that Mr. Reed’s understanding of HBD’s adherents is limited. I can acknowledge the hereditary advantage of Keynan long-distance runners over mine without necessarily classifying them as a super-race in all aspects of life."

    Ah, but as a true HBD believer will tell you, nothing matters but intelligence. There is no god but intelligence. Intelligence is morality (or at least a future time orientation), intelligence is diligence, intelligence is good life outcomes, intelligence is the prime requisite for making beaucoup money.

    And they'll tell you the converse of all those about stupid people, or rather people who have lesser intelligence.

    But the argument is very convincing. Can you refute it? I can't, not really.

    It's pretty obvious at this point, that intelligence wasn't as - deterministic of everything in the past, as compared to now. Otherwise I guess we all would have adaptations to being high IQ pod people. Used to be having a great immune system, being fecund, surviving famines, being able to work hard despite not getting a lot of calories, fighting off the hordes that scream and shout, running long distances to warn of an invading army...

    But now? None of that shit matters. All that matters is that you are inherently calm, agreeable, don't rock the boat - but still have a high IQ.

    We solved all the problems everyone bitched and moaned about - and made a world where Asians are the ideal inhabitants.

    Personally it has never bothered me if Jews as a group were more intelligent (than gentiles I guess). And just on that point, it doesn't bother me that Asians are.

    Of course there are inevitable side consequences to that I'm not liking at all. There never were that many Jews. There isn't any shortage of Asians, not at all.

    I think Fred has gotten addicted to getting lengthy threads of vehemence. But this point is entirely valid. Some people have brought it up, but it never gets talked about too much. I'd wager this one degenerates pretty quickly, but it would be interesting if people would actually try to debate the issue?

    Me? I'd totally ban Asian immigration. Forever. This hasn't gotten to be a problem yet, but you can see it coming. Same pattern as any number of Asian countries that have gotten large numbers of Chinese in, they more or less take over the place by indirect means, then the locals eventually get pissed and there is much drama.

    Another thing that doesn't help, is that our system has evolved to produce it's elites through attendance at elite colleges. In the past you just had a bunch of money, or land, or were just born to the aristocracy. Now you *cough take a test, and for a number of years do bullshit social work and play the cello or something to show you are well rounded (along with grinding like a maniac at schoolwork).

    We couldn't have produced a more friendly system to the Chinese if we had tried. And it is the Chinese that are going to be the issue, both in this country and the world stage.

    And in closing... how should things be? Let's take someone. Call him God. There are three dudes in front of God. God walks up to the first one and says "This guy is too dumb." He walks past the middle guy to the last person. "This guy's too smart." Then he walks to the middle guy and says "This guy is just right!"

    Now you could change the story to one to suit yourself ("Too dumb. Still too dumb. Now we're talking!")

    But I like mine better.
    , @george strong
    Once again, Fred Reed demonstrates his cucked ignorance. Alt-Right just wants whites to have a place of their own. IQ superiority has nothing to do with it. Blacks are the ones who really hate Asians, because Asians' success proves black failure has nothing to do with discrimination.
    , @pyrrhus
    Asians are much more obedient to authority and less willing to question authority, after millennia of Confucian exams as a means of promotion, and a society which punished even minor transgressions with death.
    Fred has also confuted European IQs.. Northwestern Europe, where most of the Nobels come from, has an average IQ of 106...See Sailer's current article on Demark draftees.....Whereas southern Europe is much lower in IQ....North Asians are also about 106.
    The proof is in the pudding. Almost all of the major innovations of the last 1000 years have come out of Northern Europe (I include northern Italy). The best software continues to be written by the same folks, along with a number of Asians.

    As to the Ivy recruitment packages being sent to top National Merit people, that didn't happen in our area, or anywhere IMO. I had one of the highest scores in the nation, and eventually did get accepted at Harvard, but I got zero recruitment from anyone except local alums.
    , @Gene Su
    The reason why the East Asian is lacking in curiosity and innovation is because of the intense stricture and conformity of Asian culture. The Chinese, Korean, and Japanese are taught in their youth that certain things must be done a certain way and certain customs must be followed. They are also told not to questions such customs, even if they seem silly. I remember during my schools days that my white classmates would roll their eyes when they were given some sort of stupid rule like they couldn't take their backpacks to class or couldn't chew gum. An Asian kid would not question such rules and would not rebel. My mom signed me up for many extra-curricular activities, even those I didn't want. I burnt out during high school. Amy Chua described a similar experience with her daughter. Google the term hikikomori. It is not unusual to for an Asian teen (usually male) to want to retreat from the world.

    It is this cultural tick that allows us to do so well in school and on tests. It is also the reason why we don't invent as many things.
    , @Anonymous
    Hello, Mr. Chieh.
    I am surprised that nobody discussed the tendency of Chinese students to cheat.
    Steve Sailer mentioned it numerous times, especially re tests administered in China.

    I personally know many excellent Chinese graduate students; majority of them worked, or are working right now, with truly brilliant STEM professor in the field of display technology.

    But the experience of my kids, at all levels,
    from Middle School to graduate programs of top American Universities,
    showed me somewhat other story.

    My best wishes to you personally, and your loved ones.
    , @S Johnson
    As it pertains to Alt Right types (I am not sure if Reed is including the more general group of White Natioanlists) it's clear that Reed made use of the straw man arguments, when utilizing his characteristic colorful language. One instance was when he characterized Alt Right types as thinking non-Whites as "dark scum"

    From Grammar Girl (link removed to avoid comment being marked as spam):

    "Debaters invoke a straw man when they put forth an argument—usually something extreme or easy to argue against—that they know their opponent doesn't support. You put forth a straw man because you know it will be easy for you to knock down or discredit. It's a way of misrepresenting your opponent's position"

    , @Art

    Noticing differences isn’t the same thing as asserting superiority in all realms, though. I’m fairly certain that Asians have a general lack of curiosity – including myself. I credit my largely conservative views for a personal fondness for stability over innovation as well.
     
    Three different points.

    First – there is a big difference in philosophy between the East and the West – harmony is the goal of the East – hope for a better future drives the West. The East wants a stable unchanging world environment. The West wants to go to the stars. The West wants to make tomorrow better then today. The East wants to make it the same.

    Second the pseudo intellectuals of the West, will case any argument that does not include Christianity. They give Christian philosophy zero credit for the idealistic drive of the West. The HBD crew hawks superior white brains when the facts show others to be smarter. What explains why the West has so dominated knowledge – the answer is 100% idealistic Western Christian culture - NOT Western brains. It is Western culture that values knowledge creation above all other values. For the last 450 years sense Newton, at the apex of Western achievement is the creation of new knowledge. The combination of Christian ideals has led to a measure of personal freedom. Jesus Christ said “the truth will set you free” – and it has.

    Lastly – the “tiger mom” syndrome has a major impact on Easter intellectual test scores. Anyone who says that study has no effect on IQ test scores is a fool.
    , @Icy Blast
    I don't like classifying humans by skin-color. I am not virtue-signalling here, I am simply pointing out that this color-coding is stupid. If I call people of European descent "white," what do I call my Oriental friends? Yellow? I won't use such a term, laden as it is with negative associations.

    "Oriental" is a very good word we should rehabilitate. And while we are rectifying names, we can call "white" people Occidentals. I would suggest the wonderful Sanskrit word "Aryan," but Adolph ruined it. (By the way, no one names children "Adolph" anymore, as far as I know.)

    I would usually go into more detail, but this is a comment, not a freaking term-paper. I should add, however, that the Establishment types in the so-called "media" seem to be angered by the way "Asians" and "whites" get along. This contradicts their narrative of relentless "white" aggression and tyranny. Nothing like reality to infuriate an American journalist!
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  2. The Alt-Right believes that the whites are innately–i.e., genetically–superior to all other races

    Technically they are correct, insofar as ‘whites’ are the original and most genetically diverse human stock.

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    "‘whites’ are the original and most genetically diverse human stock."

    Citation needed.
    , @Joe Wong
    When the West overtook China, China did nothing like the West trolling relentlessly and endlessly with fake news and manufactured orientalism to demonize China, so that they could invade China, wage reckless wars against China, drugg Chinese with opium, loot China, commit war crimes, crimes against humanity and crimes against peace in China, destroy Chinese environment, corrupt Chinese culture,... on the moral high ground.

    When China is catching up with the West in prosperity, the West again resorts to their mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism, and constrained by the zero-sum cold war mentality to troll relentlessly and endlessly with fake news and manufactured orientalism to demonize China. It proves the West is a 'God-fearing' morally defunct evil 'religion fanatic' and beggar-thy-neighbor civilization that is detrimental to the harmony, progress and prosperity of humanity, and they will bring the end to humanity.
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    Good stuff!

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  4. So what’s your point, Fred: whites should just import these East Asian supermen and let them rule over us because they’re so much smarter than we are? If they’re so marvelous, let them stay in East Asia and turn it into Greater Shanghai/Hong Kong/Tokyo/Bangkok, etc. All real paradises; what white person isn’t dying to live there? There’s no inconsistency with admitting the IQ superiority of another group of people, but wanting to live with one’s own people.

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    Maybe what you want, wanting to live with one's own people, is no longer possible. If you think it is possible how are you going to go about getting it?
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  5. Truth says:

    Whites, they say, have a marvelous track record of achievement, and they don’t want to dilute it by intermarriage.

    They have a point.

    Apparently, not much of one…

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  6. Dwright says:

    Fred is trolling again.

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  7. Fred’s conclusion, that whites should stop breeding so as to leave the world to the superior race has a corollary. Browns and blacks should extinguish themselves as they are so far beneath the yellows and whites that there is no need for them.

    Good luck with your suggestion Mr. Reed. Perhaps you’ve been too long living in brown-land?

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    Jim.

    Brownland, coming to a neighborhood near you - SOON! Good luck to your suggestion.
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  8. Math is not the only intelligence, Fred

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    This. A longitudinal study from 82 to 2012 showed that verbal IQ in China is 99.

    https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/06/06/chinese-iq/

    They aren't too proficient verbally, but they excel spatially (like all peoples who derive from that group of Siberians).
    , @Joe Wong
    It is all capitalism’s fault, it makes people worship money and gauge everything in according to money including intelligence and achievement, people good at physics or math exams make more money than those not good at physics or math exams, so the conclusion is people good at physics or math exams are more intelligent and have higher achievements. You should blame capitalism not the Asians.
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  9. Hubbub says:

    Things are what they are. Let it be. What many of us object to is not that some groups may, in some respects, be superior to other groups, but that the differences are acknowledged and accepted. Only then, will there be peace.

    I’m white and somewhat intelligent; I’m willing to accept that some Asians are more innately intelligent than I am. I do not ‘feel’ inferior by any means. What I do want, however, is the right to succeed to the degree that I can, without my chances being given to those who are undeserving or of lesser quality – which has happened to me.

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    An exceptionally sane comment on an exceptionally clever and sane post.
    , @MMM
    Hubbub: Well Said!
    , @Joe Wong
    The West or more strongly the American need a easily identifiable boogeyman to whip their people into supporting their morally defunct and war monger oligarch governments to wage endless reckless wars to fill their greed. Chinese fits the bill.
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  10. MBlanc46 says:

    The facts are correct. Northeast Asians are bright. The conclusion–that whites should cease to reproduce–is silly.

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  11. DCBillS says:

    Gunpowder wan’t so much invented as discovered. Somebody built a fire in a cave (with a saltpeter deposit) and noticed something unusual and it was taken from there.

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    Isn't it true for everything? Following your logic everything is a discovery and there is no invention, in fact everything is a remix if you can apply your logic intelligently.
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  12. Sunbeam says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Noticing differences isn't the same thing as asserting superiority in all realms, though. I'm fairly certain that Asians have a general lack of curiousity - including myself. I credit my largely conservative views for a personal fondness for stability over innovation as well.

    This implies that our accomplishments will be more notable if in fact, all of the low-hanging fruit of science has been picked and there isn't as much innovation left in the world. If the opposite is true, I'm fairly sure that we will continue to lag behind in many metrics.

    I feel that Mr. Reed's understanding of HBD's adherents is limited. I can acknowledge the hereditary advantage of Keynan long-distance runners over mine without necessarily classifying them as a super-race in all aspects of life.

    “I feel that Mr. Reed’s understanding of HBD’s adherents is limited. I can acknowledge the hereditary advantage of Keynan long-distance runners over mine without necessarily classifying them as a super-race in all aspects of life.”

    Ah, but as a true HBD believer will tell you, nothing matters but intelligence. There is no god but intelligence. Intelligence is morality (or at least a future time orientation), intelligence is diligence, intelligence is good life outcomes, intelligence is the prime requisite for making beaucoup money.

    And they’ll tell you the converse of all those about stupid people, or rather people who have lesser intelligence.

    But the argument is very convincing. Can you refute it? I can’t, not really.

    It’s pretty obvious at this point, that intelligence wasn’t as – deterministic of everything in the past, as compared to now. Otherwise I guess we all would have adaptations to being high IQ pod people. Used to be having a great immune system, being fecund, surviving famines, being able to work hard despite not getting a lot of calories, fighting off the hordes that scream and shout, running long distances to warn of an invading army…

    But now? None of that shit matters. All that matters is that you are inherently calm, agreeable, don’t rock the boat – but still have a high IQ.

    We solved all the problems everyone bitched and moaned about – and made a world where Asians are the ideal inhabitants.

    Personally it has never bothered me if Jews as a group were more intelligent (than gentiles I guess). And just on that point, it doesn’t bother me that Asians are.

    Of course there are inevitable side consequences to that I’m not liking at all. There never were that many Jews. There isn’t any shortage of Asians, not at all.

    I think Fred has gotten addicted to getting lengthy threads of vehemence. But this point is entirely valid. Some people have brought it up, but it never gets talked about too much. I’d wager this one degenerates pretty quickly, but it would be interesting if people would actually try to debate the issue?

    Me? I’d totally ban Asian immigration. Forever. This hasn’t gotten to be a problem yet, but you can see it coming. Same pattern as any number of Asian countries that have gotten large numbers of Chinese in, they more or less take over the place by indirect means, then the locals eventually get pissed and there is much drama.

    Another thing that doesn’t help, is that our system has evolved to produce it’s elites through attendance at elite colleges. In the past you just had a bunch of money, or land, or were just born to the aristocracy. Now you *cough take a test, and for a number of years do bullshit social work and play the cello or something to show you are well rounded (along with grinding like a maniac at schoolwork).

    We couldn’t have produced a more friendly system to the Chinese if we had tried. And it is the Chinese that are going to be the issue, both in this country and the world stage.

    And in closing… how should things be? Let’s take someone. Call him God. There are three dudes in front of God. God walks up to the first one and says “This guy is too dumb.” He walks past the middle guy to the last person. “This guy’s too smart.” Then he walks to the middle guy and says “This guy is just right!”

    Now you could change the story to one to suit yourself (“Too dumb. Still too dumb. Now we’re talking!”)

    But I like mine better.

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    I'm still pretty confident that unless we truly live in the Age of Stagnation, the Asian inability to largely innovate will remain our weakness.
    , @stubb
    *its elite*
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  13. Don’t rely on our media to reach conclusions about Mao. Probably the smartest man who ever lived, a military strategist and tactician (Field Marshal Montgomery claimed that four of his campaigns rank with the best of Napoleon’s).
    When Mao took charge in 1949, the Chinese people’s rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness had been lost. Chinese life expectancy was 35 years, 80 percent could not write their own names, electricity was available in a few cities, millions of bandits roamed the countryside, drug addiction paralyzed entire towns, 13-year old girls were sold as concubines for $100 and U.S. Ambassador John Leighton Stuart, reported that, in 1946 alone, 10 million starved to death in just three provinces.

    When Mao stepped down twenty years later–having served his entire tenure under a Western economic embargo–the invaders and warlords were gone, life expectancy was 67, the population had doubled, literacy was 84 percent, electricity reached even poor areas, the economy had grown 500 percent, drug addiction was eliminated, women were liberated and educated and basic human rights and China’s infrastructure were fully restored. There is no doubt that CCP did a lot of things wrong along the way. Most of the “founding fathers” of CCP were illiterate country bumpkins to begin with. Nonetheless the China after 1949 is a very different place than before and much more progressive.

    Today, 1,000,000 of the people he saved visit his home village every month. Is there any leader in world history whose people remember him so fondly?

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    45,000,000.
    It's conservatively estimated that your bloodthirsty hero caused 45 million Chinese to be murdered during his great leap forward. Countless others never born due to his strict birth control and abortion laws. Millions imprisoned and tortured. Not until years after the vampire's death were the Chinese able to lift their heads just a bit. He was one of the most evil men to have shared this planet with us.

    As to your contention of his military genius, his genius was in that he allowed the Nationalists to do most of the fighting and dying against the Japanese, leaving them vulnerable to the Commie army following WWII.
    , @bomag
    The advancements you noted would have happened under barely mediocre leadership.

    Reasonably competent leadership would have produced a much more prosperous and stable China.

    Today, 1,000,000 of the people he saved visit his home village every month.

    Humans tend to celebrate the wrong things.

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  14. Fred’s main point is one of his hobby horses, namely, that IQ tests can’t be measuring genetic intelligence because IQ scores vary significantly over time within races, depending on the circumstances. However, all this shows is that the genetic component isn’t everything.

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  15. MarkinPNW says:

    It’s bad enough to be outperformed in math, science and technology, but also long-distance running with map-and-compass (orienteering)? Oh my, it now really is hopeless!

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  16. neutral says:

    I keep hearing about these Asian superhumans, but then I keep reading about the greatest minds in the sciences, maths, etc, and I come across Gauss, Newton, Leibnitz, Euler, Ruthorford, Pascal, etc. Where are all these Asian superhumans ?

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    That's a good question. To sort of quibble though, there are probably lots of historic thinkers we haven't heard of because they aren't covered in our curricula or our particular common knowledge.

    Also I've brought up on this site that we are closing in on two generations of elite college assortative mating. When is somebody gonna pump out another John Von Neumann. Shouldn't we be seeing a big noise about now? Heck I'll settle for Claude Shannon or Josiah Willard Gibbs instead of a Gauss level intellect.

    Is it the fact that we aren't hearing about things because they are so complicated now? Is it too hard to make fundamental advances? So many giants around even during the first half of the 20th century. Dirac, Heisenberg, where have they all gone?

    Are they languishing in obscurity because media can't find an angle (or even have the foggiest notion of what their work is) to popularize it? Have to go to school past your peak innovation years just to get to the frontiers of knowledge?

    Or maybe they are jerking off on Wall Street. Get a real job guys.
    , @Pachyderm Pachyderma
    Also, you see great many a musician who happened to be East Asians but they (the Orient) didn't produce the likes of Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner, Strauss, Mendelssohn et al...
    , @Joe Wong
    History proves inventions will come along in due course when the environment is right. Gauss, Newton, Leibnitz, Euler, Ruthorford, Pascal, etc. were so happen to be in the right time and at the right place, if they did not discover somebody else will come along discover what they discovered.

    Both of those guys were competing with others working in the same field to get their works published and to be known in order to get their fame and fortune, they were all busy stealing from others and jealously guarding their own works in order to beat the other to the gate.

    All other civilizations share their inventions and discoveries generously in order to advance humanity, but only the West hogs their inventions and discoveries and use them to fill their bottomless greed at the expenses of others' well-being thru organized violence, destroying societies, genocides, enslaving human beings, ... evil sins.

    Patenting is a Western invention which deters new inventions and discovery building upon the patented inventions and discoveries. You should know large portion of inventions and discoveries by the West are harmful and detrimental to humanity.
    , @AlwaysRight
    Here is my observation:

    -Asians have a higher average intelligence but lack true geniuses (ie creative intelligence). Not many morons on the left side of the bell curve but not many Steve Jobs on the right side of the bell curve either. That is, a narrow bell curve with the mean at 105

    -Whites have a wider bell curve with the mean at 100; hence more morons on the left tail but also more geniuses at the right tail

    -Whites civilizations have created more world changing inventions and concepts because they have more creative geniuses

    -The problem I have with White Chauvinists (like this commenter) is that they, being White themselves, ride on the coattails of the Accomplished Few, taking credit for something they had nothing to do with other than sharing the same skin color ("I'm White - look at what my people accomplished")

    Asians are not superhuman, but they are smart enough to keep their civilizations intact for thousands of years. Regrettably, I cannot say the same thing of Whites.

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  17. Sunbeam says:
    @neutral
    I keep hearing about these Asian superhumans, but then I keep reading about the greatest minds in the sciences, maths, etc, and I come across Gauss, Newton, Leibnitz, Euler, Ruthorford, Pascal, etc. Where are all these Asian superhumans ?

    That’s a good question. To sort of quibble though, there are probably lots of historic thinkers we haven’t heard of because they aren’t covered in our curricula or our particular common knowledge.

    Also I’ve brought up on this site that we are closing in on two generations of elite college assortative mating. When is somebody gonna pump out another John Von Neumann. Shouldn’t we be seeing a big noise about now? Heck I’ll settle for Claude Shannon or Josiah Willard Gibbs instead of a Gauss level intellect.

    Is it the fact that we aren’t hearing about things because they are so complicated now? Is it too hard to make fundamental advances? So many giants around even during the first half of the 20th century. Dirac, Heisenberg, where have they all gone?

    Are they languishing in obscurity because media can’t find an angle (or even have the foggiest notion of what their work is) to popularize it? Have to go to school past your peak innovation years just to get to the frontiers of knowledge?

    Or maybe they are jerking off on Wall Street. Get a real job guys.

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    "Are they languishing in obscurity because media can’t find an angle (or even have the foggiest notion of what their work is) to popularize it? Have to go to school past your peak innovation years just to get to the frontiers of knowledge?"
     
    There is a simpler answer ... they are so far ahead of us now that they are operating in the fourth or a higher dimension, while we can only perceive three. This also explains why so many parts of Asia are so truly advanced and don't need the burden of decadent Western techology, like adequate plumbing, safe and fresh water, and effective trash disposal ... to the latter, they are so advanced on that front that they willingly take in our garbage. It must be true that white europeans are lazy and stupid, for we should have overrun, dominated, and plundered these paradisacal spots years ago.
    , @bomag

    there are probably lots of historic thinkers we haven’t heard of because they aren’t covered in our curricula or our particular common knowledge.
     
    That's a large part of it; the West not only raised astonishing thinkers, it developed and maintained an infrastructure that allowed them to flourish and be remembered.

    where have they all gone?
     
    Yeah, the West raised a remarkable number of intellectual outliers. There is some suggestion that general intelligence is falling in modern populations, and I suppose outlier production is one of the first casualties.
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  18. Anon says: • Disclaimer

    Is there a superior race? What would be the best way to assess such being?

    One possibility: the women decide, at least in our open and libertine world of free movement and choices.

    Before anything is possible, race must exist. Without existence, one is nothing. So, existence is the foundation of superiority because ‘something’ is superior to ‘nothing’, or what exists have superiority over what doesn’t.
    Everything exists because it came into being. It didn’t always exist. So, if conditions favor the coming-into-being or the birthing of something, then it has superiority or priority over what failed to come into being.

    So, race and racial identity depend largely on whom women choose to have babies with. That decides which men will spread most of their seeds and genes. Men who are not accepted by women cannot spread their seeds and genes. Deemed inferior as mates, their genetic codes will not pass down.

    At the basic animal-sexual level, what are women most attracted to? Muscle, height, penis size, and musicality.
    On this basic animalist basis, globalist formula is as follows: black men > white men > yellow men.

    And stats bear this out, even though some white guys are in denial because they feel ashamed to admit sexual defeat. In the past, women had far less freedom and were sexually restrained.
    So, there was less animalist factor in sexual behavior. Things were more moral and restrictive. Women had to maintain their reputation as ‘good women’.
    Also, most women found one man and married him and had sex only with him. That was part of being a ‘good ho’ than a ‘bad ho’.
    Also, as men had most of the jobs, women relied on men for support.
    Today, women are employed more extensively than men, and they can support themselves. Some choose to marry, but many just spend money on self-pleasure, and that means having loose sex with lots of men. Some become single-mothers with men who don’t hang around.
    There was a time when candid talk of sex was deemed uncouth and vulgar among women. Today, young girls are raised on GIRLS(Dunham), SEX AND CITY, VAGINA MONOLOGUE, porny music videos(of Miley Cyrus), and lewd standup comedy. Women now openly talk about female genitalia, male genitalia, and even bungholes. And women brag about their ‘conquests’ like men do.

    Today, women are free to choose, allowed to be sexually uninhibited, and to have sex with lotsa men. In the past, Italian-American fathers would have thought it an infamia for their girls to act like hookers. But today, men of all races raise their girls to turn to sex at early age and go to springbreak and have orgy-porgies. Indeed, any father who says such thing is wrong and that he didn’t raise his girl to be an offering to Mammon is seen as ‘patriarchal’ and Corleonic.

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    So, animal drives come into play, and women are most turned on by height, muscle, musicality, and dong.
    So, from an animal-instinct viewpoint, black men are superior to white men who are superior to Asian men because women deem black men more manly than white men and deem white men more manly than Asian men.
    And, we have more and more white women(raised on rap music, black dominated sports from high school to pros, interracial porn, etc) going black and using their wombs to create babies for black men.
    And we have near-majority of Asian women in America rejecting Asian men as inferior and choosing to have ‘white kids’ with white men(or with other men). So, women decide which race is superior in our libertine globalized world. Everything else is academic.

    In many cases, Asian women prefer to have kids with white men, or even with black men who don’t stick around than with Asian men who are willing to stick around. Asian women would rather be a single mother with children of ‘superior man’ than a married woman stuck with an inferior man who is ‘nice’.

    Black men colonize white wombs, brown wombs, and yellow wombs. Plenty of white women are now single mothers with black babies. With millions of Africans arriving in EU, you can guess what the result will be. Massive Afro-colonization of white wombs. Black males whupping and ‘pussifying’ white males, rap music culture, interracial propaganda, ‘anti-racism’, cuckery as virtue for white males, promotion of blacks in education, homo-izing white men(even straight ones), and etc will all lead to massive colonization of white wombs by black men who are seen as superior by white women at the base-animal-level. Sexuality is animal drive, not an intellectual drive. It’s like, if there is a nice decent homely smart girl with modest body and a dumbass nasty bimbo with big boobs and bouncy booty, many guys(even smart educated ones) will go with the latter. His moral sense may say the nice homely smart girl is superior, but his animal drive says the bodacious bimbo ho is the superior mate. It’s like that Leonard Cohen song about how his woman got seduced away by some ‘gypsy thief’.

    In past societies where all people were within local & closed societies, the women only knew local men and didn’t see them as inferior or superior. They were the only men they knew. But, modern women in globalized world compare their men with other men around the world(seen in movies, TV, sports, music, etc), and they may feel that their own men are ‘losers’.
    Today, white, Mexican, Muslim, Jewish, and Asian boys are so desperate to be ‘cool’ that some imitate blacks or hang around blacks to prove they got ‘street credit’. Blacks laugh at such ‘puss-ass’ behavior, but globo-boys pursue their transracial fantasy. Look at Shaun King. Maybe he is part black or maybe not, but he wants to be black than white cuz he sees blackness as ‘cool’, whiteness as ‘lame’.
    A black guy doesn’t have to associate himself with white, asian, or mexican to be ‘badass’, but globo-boys or globoys feel a need to git down and hang loose to be cool.

    Race is a sexual product. A white person is the product of white woman choosing to have kid with white man. If she prefers black man, then she will produce a black baby from her white womb that will be colonized by black sperm.
    If you are white, You are white because your white mother chose a white man. But if she’d gone black, her white womb would have spawned a black kid. Even white women who do marry white and have white kids believe there would have been nothing wrong if they’d chosen to have black kids. They have no sense of racial loyalty. So, your white mother feels she could have gone black and that would have been just fine.
    White women having black babies are increasing because whites worship blacks in sports, music, and sex. Whites admire black race as the superior race when it comes to sex, and THAT is crucial because all life is created by sex, or one’s father humping one’s mother.
    And since Asian men are seen as inferior, Asian women reject them and use their yellow wombs to create ‘white’babies for white men. If Amy Chua’s mama had grown up in the US, she would have likely gone with some Jewish or white guy too.

    So, which is the superior race? Before all else, a person of certain race must exist in the first place, and that means he must be born. And that means some guy has to fuck some woman. Existence trumps all and is the foundation of superiority.

    Indeed, existence is the first foundation of superiority. No matter how much a man claims to be superior, if a woman rejects him and chooses another man to have kids with, the OTHER man’s sperm will have superiority. (For example, based on IQ scores, it can be claimed that Asian men are superior to all races except Jews/whites. After all, East Asian IQ is higher than that of blacks. But being sexually inferior in a world where Asian women now have free sexual choice, the claim of East Asian racial superiority based on geek IQ becomes irrelevant since women want non-Asian men to impregnate them.
    Asian men may be superior geeks, but women with ‘liberated’ and ‘sexually-revolutionized’ animal drives prefer studs, not duds. So, even as Asian geeks may be superior in science and math, they fail at the fundamental level of reproduction. They can multiply numbers but can’t multiply genes through reproduction. Biologically, they are all about subtraction of their genes that women don’t want.

    In the end, the men who spread most sperm is the superior from evolutionary vantage point. And current social setup of female choice and libertine sexuality favors black men over white men and white men over Asian men. Because Asian men are seen as dorks, they must make lots of money to attract women, and some Asian boys work hard to make money.

    All people are born through women. So, in a free and animalized society, superiority is judged by the raw sexual drives and sexual choices of women. Women watch stuff like SEX AND THE CITY where women are explicit about what they want in bed. Though it’s not racially spelled out, it means the Modern Globalized women will admire the Joe Bucks of the world most since Pop Culture tropes go that way. Some may blame Liberal Hollywood for such stereotypes, but most stereotypes have some basis in fact.

    As the entire world becomes globalized by increased travel, internet, and mass immigration and emigration, men and women around the world are discovering they have divergent sexual values. Black men have higher value than black women, and Asian women have higher value than Asian men. And winners want to be with winners.

    White men will increasingly lose to black men(who are arriving by the millions to Europe to white women addicted to rap culture and jungle fever) and Asian men will lose to white and black men because Asian women, once given a globalist choice, prefer non-Asian men as superior to inferior Asian men who are seen as dorks. Globalism offers more freedom and choice to everyone but confers differs desirability to each group and each person. So, sexual freedom for blacks means that both black men and black women can hump anyone. But whereas black men are wanted by many, black women aren’t wanted by many. Sex is different consumerism. Anyone with money can buy anything. But with sex, the other side has to agree. Any black woman with money can buy any TV. But is she wants some man, he has to say yes. And most men don’t say yes to Thelma Jackson who be saying, “I’s wants my man.”

    For most of human history, women didn’t have a choice. Also, they were expected to be faithful to one man for entire life. Even most men didn’t have choice since many marriages were arranged by parents. Also, prior to imperialism and globalism, most races lived in separation from others.
    But now, at least in modern parts of the world, women get to choose the men. And they have a wide choice from all races since all societies are getting filled with diversity.

    And we see more and more white women not getting married and just having lots of loose sex. In colleges, many white girls got jungle fever for black athletes(who are worshiped as heroes by cucky white boys). Indeed, college coaches and recruiters attract black athletes with the lure of jungle-fever-mad white girls.

    All this globalism is done in the name of equality and ‘anti-racism’, but the result is totally about sexual inequality among races and the racial-sexual superiority of some men over others.

    So, what is the superior race? In today’s globalized world where women have the freedom the choose, racial superiority is determined by whose seeds women choose to take. Each year, black seeds impregnates not only black wombs but white and yellow wombs. White men lose out to black men but spread their seeds to yellow wombs. So, by women’s sexual choice, Asian males become most inferior race. Asian dorks may win math prizes, but their test papers don’t create new life. They can only create new life through women.

    Now, we can be PC and say all races are equal or ‘race is just a social construct’, but the fact is women NOTICE race. And they choose based on race. And that means race is, above all, a sexual product.

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    Stay away from the television for a while will ya?
    What a rant you got going there, with no actual correlation to the real world, just exaggerations.
    , @RaceRealist88
    Here is a good show on the matter, popular TV but it gets the basics.

    https://youtu.be/kKbGvpgBwe8
    , @Negrolphin Pool
    No welfare or NOWAG, choose one.
    , @Old fogey
    My heavens, what an awful picture you paint of contemporary women. I do hope you are wrong. You can't possibly be right that "men of all races raise their girls to turn to sex at early age." That goes against the grain of all that has ever been written about how fathers view their daughters.

    As far as your description of how women judge men, I beg to differ. Just look at the Hollywood actors noted for their appeal to women. I do not see that field filled with black actors. And, let's face it, no woman goes around choosing to mate with a man according to the size of his member - most of us never see his equipment until the decision has already been made, so it can't possibly have been an important deciding factor could it?
    , @Alden
    I think you type with one hand. People who endlessly rant about the opposite sex and what they imagine about other people's sex lives usually aren't getting any.

    Men choose as much as women do. And if they want a woman who doesn't choose them they are much stronger and can take what they want.
    You copy and paste the same rant every few weeks and insert it into every thread.
    , @Rdm
    Hey Prissy, where have you been? Long time no see.
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  19. Dwright says:
    @Anon
    Is there a superior race? What would be the best way to assess such being?

    One possibility: the women decide, at least in our open and libertine world of free movement and choices.

    Before anything is possible, race must exist. Without existence, one is nothing. So, existence is the foundation of superiority because 'something' is superior to 'nothing', or what exists have superiority over what doesn't.
    Everything exists because it came into being. It didn't always exist. So, if conditions favor the coming-into-being or the birthing of something, then it has superiority or priority over what failed to come into being.

    So, race and racial identity depend largely on whom women choose to have babies with. That decides which men will spread most of their seeds and genes. Men who are not accepted by women cannot spread their seeds and genes. Deemed inferior as mates, their genetic codes will not pass down.

    At the basic animal-sexual level, what are women most attracted to? Muscle, height, penis size, and musicality.
    On this basic animalist basis, globalist formula is as follows: black men > white men > yellow men.

    And stats bear this out, even though some white guys are in denial because they feel ashamed to admit sexual defeat. In the past, women had far less freedom and were sexually restrained.
    So, there was less animalist factor in sexual behavior. Things were more moral and restrictive. Women had to maintain their reputation as 'good women'.
    Also, most women found one man and married him and had sex only with him. That was part of being a 'good ho' than a 'bad ho'.
    Also, as men had most of the jobs, women relied on men for support.
    Today, women are employed more extensively than men, and they can support themselves. Some choose to marry, but many just spend money on self-pleasure, and that means having loose sex with lots of men. Some become single-mothers with men who don't hang around.
    There was a time when candid talk of sex was deemed uncouth and vulgar among women. Today, young girls are raised on GIRLS(Dunham), SEX AND CITY, VAGINA MONOLOGUE, porny music videos(of Miley Cyrus), and lewd standup comedy. Women now openly talk about female genitalia, male genitalia, and even bungholes. And women brag about their 'conquests' like men do.

    Today, women are free to choose, allowed to be sexually uninhibited, and to have sex with lotsa men. In the past, Italian-American fathers would have thought it an infamia for their girls to act like hookers. But today, men of all races raise their girls to turn to sex at early age and go to springbreak and have orgy-porgies. Indeed, any father who says such thing is wrong and that he didn't raise his girl to be an offering to Mammon is seen as 'patriarchal' and Corleonic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA_WYpQEeJg

    So, animal drives come into play, and women are most turned on by height, muscle, musicality, and dong.
    So, from an animal-instinct viewpoint, black men are superior to white men who are superior to Asian men because women deem black men more manly than white men and deem white men more manly than Asian men.
    And, we have more and more white women(raised on rap music, black dominated sports from high school to pros, interracial porn, etc) going black and using their wombs to create babies for black men.
    And we have near-majority of Asian women in America rejecting Asian men as inferior and choosing to have 'white kids' with white men(or with other men). So, women decide which race is superior in our libertine globalized world. Everything else is academic.

    In many cases, Asian women prefer to have kids with white men, or even with black men who don't stick around than with Asian men who are willing to stick around. Asian women would rather be a single mother with children of 'superior man' than a married woman stuck with an inferior man who is 'nice'.

    Black men colonize white wombs, brown wombs, and yellow wombs. Plenty of white women are now single mothers with black babies. With millions of Africans arriving in EU, you can guess what the result will be. Massive Afro-colonization of white wombs. Black males whupping and 'pussifying' white males, rap music culture, interracial propaganda, 'anti-racism', cuckery as virtue for white males, promotion of blacks in education, homo-izing white men(even straight ones), and etc will all lead to massive colonization of white wombs by black men who are seen as superior by white women at the base-animal-level. Sexuality is animal drive, not an intellectual drive. It's like, if there is a nice decent homely smart girl with modest body and a dumbass nasty bimbo with big boobs and bouncy booty, many guys(even smart educated ones) will go with the latter. His moral sense may say the nice homely smart girl is superior, but his animal drive says the bodacious bimbo ho is the superior mate. It's like that Leonard Cohen song about how his woman got seduced away by some 'gypsy thief'.

    https://youtu.be/kkSERbdl39Q?t=2m6s

    In past societies where all people were within local & closed societies, the women only knew local men and didn't see them as inferior or superior. They were the only men they knew. But, modern women in globalized world compare their men with other men around the world(seen in movies, TV, sports, music, etc), and they may feel that their own men are 'losers'.
    Today, white, Mexican, Muslim, Jewish, and Asian boys are so desperate to be 'cool' that some imitate blacks or hang around blacks to prove they got 'street credit'. Blacks laugh at such 'puss-ass' behavior, but globo-boys pursue their transracial fantasy. Look at Shaun King. Maybe he is part black or maybe not, but he wants to be black than white cuz he sees blackness as 'cool', whiteness as 'lame'.
    A black guy doesn't have to associate himself with white, asian, or mexican to be 'badass', but globo-boys or globoys feel a need to git down and hang loose to be cool.

    Race is a sexual product. A white person is the product of white woman choosing to have kid with white man. If she prefers black man, then she will produce a black baby from her white womb that will be colonized by black sperm.
    If you are white, You are white because your white mother chose a white man. But if she'd gone black, her white womb would have spawned a black kid. Even white women who do marry white and have white kids believe there would have been nothing wrong if they'd chosen to have black kids. They have no sense of racial loyalty. So, your white mother feels she could have gone black and that would have been just fine.
    White women having black babies are increasing because whites worship blacks in sports, music, and sex. Whites admire black race as the superior race when it comes to sex, and THAT is crucial because all life is created by sex, or one's father humping one's mother.
    And since Asian men are seen as inferior, Asian women reject them and use their yellow wombs to create 'white'babies for white men. If Amy Chua's mama had grown up in the US, she would have likely gone with some Jewish or white guy too.

    So, which is the superior race? Before all else, a person of certain race must exist in the first place, and that means he must be born. And that means some guy has to fuck some woman. Existence trumps all and is the foundation of superiority.

    Indeed, existence is the first foundation of superiority. No matter how much a man claims to be superior, if a woman rejects him and chooses another man to have kids with, the OTHER man's sperm will have superiority. (For example, based on IQ scores, it can be claimed that Asian men are superior to all races except Jews/whites. After all, East Asian IQ is higher than that of blacks. But being sexually inferior in a world where Asian women now have free sexual choice, the claim of East Asian racial superiority based on geek IQ becomes irrelevant since women want non-Asian men to impregnate them.
    Asian men may be superior geeks, but women with 'liberated' and 'sexually-revolutionized' animal drives prefer studs, not duds. So, even as Asian geeks may be superior in science and math, they fail at the fundamental level of reproduction. They can multiply numbers but can't multiply genes through reproduction. Biologically, they are all about subtraction of their genes that women don't want.

    In the end, the men who spread most sperm is the superior from evolutionary vantage point. And current social setup of female choice and libertine sexuality favors black men over white men and white men over Asian men. Because Asian men are seen as dorks, they must make lots of money to attract women, and some Asian boys work hard to make money.

    All people are born through women. So, in a free and animalized society, superiority is judged by the raw sexual drives and sexual choices of women. Women watch stuff like SEX AND THE CITY where women are explicit about what they want in bed. Though it's not racially spelled out, it means the Modern Globalized women will admire the Joe Bucks of the world most since Pop Culture tropes go that way. Some may blame Liberal Hollywood for such stereotypes, but most stereotypes have some basis in fact.

    As the entire world becomes globalized by increased travel, internet, and mass immigration and emigration, men and women around the world are discovering they have divergent sexual values. Black men have higher value than black women, and Asian women have higher value than Asian men. And winners want to be with winners.

    White men will increasingly lose to black men(who are arriving by the millions to Europe to white women addicted to rap culture and jungle fever) and Asian men will lose to white and black men because Asian women, once given a globalist choice, prefer non-Asian men as superior to inferior Asian men who are seen as dorks. Globalism offers more freedom and choice to everyone but confers differs desirability to each group and each person. So, sexual freedom for blacks means that both black men and black women can hump anyone. But whereas black men are wanted by many, black women aren't wanted by many. Sex is different consumerism. Anyone with money can buy anything. But with sex, the other side has to agree. Any black woman with money can buy any TV. But is she wants some man, he has to say yes. And most men don't say yes to Thelma Jackson who be saying, "I's wants my man."

    For most of human history, women didn't have a choice. Also, they were expected to be faithful to one man for entire life. Even most men didn't have choice since many marriages were arranged by parents. Also, prior to imperialism and globalism, most races lived in separation from others.
    But now, at least in modern parts of the world, women get to choose the men. And they have a wide choice from all races since all societies are getting filled with diversity.

    And we see more and more white women not getting married and just having lots of loose sex. In colleges, many white girls got jungle fever for black athletes(who are worshiped as heroes by cucky white boys). Indeed, college coaches and recruiters attract black athletes with the lure of jungle-fever-mad white girls.

    All this globalism is done in the name of equality and 'anti-racism', but the result is totally about sexual inequality among races and the racial-sexual superiority of some men over others.

    So, what is the superior race? In today's globalized world where women have the freedom the choose, racial superiority is determined by whose seeds women choose to take. Each year, black seeds impregnates not only black wombs but white and yellow wombs. White men lose out to black men but spread their seeds to yellow wombs. So, by women's sexual choice, Asian males become most inferior race. Asian dorks may win math prizes, but their test papers don't create new life. They can only create new life through women.

    Now, we can be PC and say all races are equal or 'race is just a social construct', but the fact is women NOTICE race. And they choose based on race. And that means race is, above all, a sexual product.

    Stay away from the television for a while will ya?
    What a rant you got going there, with no actual correlation to the real world, just exaggerations.

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    Its the Priss Factor. He's pretty entertaining now and then; he and Whiskey probably have a lot in common.
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  20. @Sunbeam
    "I feel that Mr. Reed’s understanding of HBD’s adherents is limited. I can acknowledge the hereditary advantage of Keynan long-distance runners over mine without necessarily classifying them as a super-race in all aspects of life."

    Ah, but as a true HBD believer will tell you, nothing matters but intelligence. There is no god but intelligence. Intelligence is morality (or at least a future time orientation), intelligence is diligence, intelligence is good life outcomes, intelligence is the prime requisite for making beaucoup money.

    And they'll tell you the converse of all those about stupid people, or rather people who have lesser intelligence.

    But the argument is very convincing. Can you refute it? I can't, not really.

    It's pretty obvious at this point, that intelligence wasn't as - deterministic of everything in the past, as compared to now. Otherwise I guess we all would have adaptations to being high IQ pod people. Used to be having a great immune system, being fecund, surviving famines, being able to work hard despite not getting a lot of calories, fighting off the hordes that scream and shout, running long distances to warn of an invading army...

    But now? None of that shit matters. All that matters is that you are inherently calm, agreeable, don't rock the boat - but still have a high IQ.

    We solved all the problems everyone bitched and moaned about - and made a world where Asians are the ideal inhabitants.

    Personally it has never bothered me if Jews as a group were more intelligent (than gentiles I guess). And just on that point, it doesn't bother me that Asians are.

    Of course there are inevitable side consequences to that I'm not liking at all. There never were that many Jews. There isn't any shortage of Asians, not at all.

    I think Fred has gotten addicted to getting lengthy threads of vehemence. But this point is entirely valid. Some people have brought it up, but it never gets talked about too much. I'd wager this one degenerates pretty quickly, but it would be interesting if people would actually try to debate the issue?

    Me? I'd totally ban Asian immigration. Forever. This hasn't gotten to be a problem yet, but you can see it coming. Same pattern as any number of Asian countries that have gotten large numbers of Chinese in, they more or less take over the place by indirect means, then the locals eventually get pissed and there is much drama.

    Another thing that doesn't help, is that our system has evolved to produce it's elites through attendance at elite colleges. In the past you just had a bunch of money, or land, or were just born to the aristocracy. Now you *cough take a test, and for a number of years do bullshit social work and play the cello or something to show you are well rounded (along with grinding like a maniac at schoolwork).

    We couldn't have produced a more friendly system to the Chinese if we had tried. And it is the Chinese that are going to be the issue, both in this country and the world stage.

    And in closing... how should things be? Let's take someone. Call him God. There are three dudes in front of God. God walks up to the first one and says "This guy is too dumb." He walks past the middle guy to the last person. "This guy's too smart." Then he walks to the middle guy and says "This guy is just right!"

    Now you could change the story to one to suit yourself ("Too dumb. Still too dumb. Now we're talking!")

    But I like mine better.

    I’m still pretty confident that unless we truly live in the Age of Stagnation, the Asian inability to largely innovate will remain our weakness.

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    You hear the innovation and creativity thing a lot. Particularly on this site I guess.

    But is it really true? Not so sure about that one. If anything I believe human history shows Asia to be more creative and innovative than what I'll call the West - except for the past 400 years or so.

    I'm also not sure that is surprising. I'd like to see a graph of world population going back to say 10,000 BC (sometime around when agriculture arose). Then a graph of Chinese population plotted at the same time (though what we are calling China is a headache). My guess is we are talking about at 25-30% of all humans living at any given time (and that is a minimum).

    Incidentally I've also seen a graph somewhere upon which China and India's GNP over the same time was plotted (your guess is as good as mine as to their methodology). In general 40 to 50% of all human economic activity has been produced by these two countries (though what is an "India" at any given time in history?).

    Maybe the anomaly of the past few centuries is over, and things are getting back to normal.

    , @Rdm
    You'd better give your head a big thump, otherwise it's unhealthy to continue living like that. Your confidence should be a warning sign to all other Asians to get rid people like you in Asian population. That's what keeps dragging down the Asian creativity.

    Asian founders/co-founders/creators

    1. Yahoo
    2. Youtube
    3. USB drive
    4. Creative Technology from Singapore
    Apple lost the lawsuit to Creative ipod shuffle program back in the days.

    Stagnation of innovation? Pretty confident? Get the hell out of self-righteous confidence.
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  21. @Dwright
    Stay away from the television for a while will ya?
    What a rant you got going there, with no actual correlation to the real world, just exaggerations.

    Its the Priss Factor. He’s pretty entertaining now and then; he and Whiskey probably have a lot in common.

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  22. Sunbeam says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I'm still pretty confident that unless we truly live in the Age of Stagnation, the Asian inability to largely innovate will remain our weakness.

    You hear the innovation and creativity thing a lot. Particularly on this site I guess.

    But is it really true? Not so sure about that one. If anything I believe human history shows Asia to be more creative and innovative than what I’ll call the West – except for the past 400 years or so.

    I’m also not sure that is surprising. I’d like to see a graph of world population going back to say 10,000 BC (sometime around when agriculture arose). Then a graph of Chinese population plotted at the same time (though what we are calling China is a headache). My guess is we are talking about at 25-30% of all humans living at any given time (and that is a minimum).

    Incidentally I’ve also seen a graph somewhere upon which China and India’s GNP over the same time was plotted (your guess is as good as mine as to their methodology). In general 40 to 50% of all human economic activity has been produced by these two countries (though what is an “India” at any given time in history?).

    Maybe the anomaly of the past few centuries is over, and things are getting back to normal.

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    The Greek classical golden age ca 520-320 BC was far more creative & innovative than any comparable period outside Europe. Then we have the last 500 years or so in Europe.

    Alt-Right objections to whites interbreeding with east-Asians (which I don't share) don't seem to depend on mooted white superiority. It seems to be more about preserving the white race for its own sake, much like conservationists wish to preserve plant and animal subspecies and try to stop eg interbreeding between Scottish wildcats and domestic cats. I guess my view is that the diversity of human races should be preserved but a moderate amount of interbreeding does not threaten that.

    I don't recall HBDers ever saying that the more intelligent should rule the rest. Generally HBD seems most concerned with empiricism, finding out the truth. HBDers often argue against public policy based on the lie that all races are of equal ability but I've not seen them argue that whites or east-Asians ought to rule other races. They do say that it's unsurprising to see more intelligent groups do better than less intelligent groups and that this is not evidence of discrimination.
    , @Anatoly Karlin

    If anything I believe human history shows Asia to be more creative and innovative than what I’ll call the West – except for the past 400 years or so.
     
    Emil Kirkegaard plotted it out here.

    http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/?p=6369

    The only point in history during which Asians were more innovative was during the European Dark Ages.
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  23. 2/1 Doc says:

    Mr Fred
    World War One was called by many at the time “the White Race Suicide” and then
    then they did it again in World War Two.You and I had a go at it in Vietnam with
    Uncle Sams Misguided Children.

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  24. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    Oh the white tears and angst from Fred just pointing out the intellectual inconsistencies that so many posters here use to feel better about themselves.

    I find it amusing that a random white person will say “look at Einstein he is smart and white that must mean the white race is smart.”

    Or “Look at Seinfeld, he is creative and artistic. That must mean whites are gifted in the arts and are creative.”

    Meanwhile that white person might be a low iq Irishman or random Euromut.

    White people try to lump all whites together when it benefits them like claiming high iq or creativity when it is only Jewish whites who exhibit this trait.

    And they also try to disclaim white traits if they are negative by saying “oh not all whites are like that. It is Jews who have this negative trait.”

    Kudos to Fred for calling out these hypocrits.

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    Seinfeld and Einstein are Ashkenazi jews.
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  25. First, Darwin told us about survival of the fittest. Then, kmarx said wars are caused by capitalists. Now, we chose people by IQ. But, in fact the world is in the war of nations, not by IQ or by money or by physical traits, but by national traits. That’s the reality.

    The only solution is to separate. Land and its nation. Nation-State. Total independence. No more than 2% foreigners in a nation-state. Tourism, exchange, etc. is OK. But not citizenship for foreigners. The alternative will be the total war, and it’s coming. And I am talking about preservation of the only thing that we have as people – culture. If we mix two nations, we have two cultures lost, two languages lost, etc. And, of course, Darwin, kmarx and technocrats had no culture, they are anti-humans. If you are guided by ideology, wake up.

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    It's not survival of the fittest as much as survival of the "good enough".
    , @Corvinus
    "The only solution is to separate. Land and its nation. Nation-State. Total independence. No more than 2% foreigners in a nation-state. Tourism, exchange, etc. is OK. But not citizenship for foreigners."

    How realistic is your plan, considering that America is a land of mutts? What is your starting point? Who is in charge of this separation? What are the political and economic considerations here? How do you propose to handle those individuals and groups of people who will oppose this plan?

    I can only hope that your comment was a poor attempt at snark by a low IQ white man...
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  26. Wally says:

    Yet who is it that all peoples generally imitate and envy?

    Whites, of course.

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    Except for Asians -- who are half the world.
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  27. @Sunbeam
    You hear the innovation and creativity thing a lot. Particularly on this site I guess.

    But is it really true? Not so sure about that one. If anything I believe human history shows Asia to be more creative and innovative than what I'll call the West - except for the past 400 years or so.

    I'm also not sure that is surprising. I'd like to see a graph of world population going back to say 10,000 BC (sometime around when agriculture arose). Then a graph of Chinese population plotted at the same time (though what we are calling China is a headache). My guess is we are talking about at 25-30% of all humans living at any given time (and that is a minimum).

    Incidentally I've also seen a graph somewhere upon which China and India's GNP over the same time was plotted (your guess is as good as mine as to their methodology). In general 40 to 50% of all human economic activity has been produced by these two countries (though what is an "India" at any given time in history?).

    Maybe the anomaly of the past few centuries is over, and things are getting back to normal.

    The Greek classical golden age ca 520-320 BC was far more creative & innovative than any comparable period outside Europe. Then we have the last 500 years or so in Europe.

    Alt-Right objections to whites interbreeding with east-Asians (which I don’t share) don’t seem to depend on mooted white superiority. It seems to be more about preserving the white race for its own sake, much like conservationists wish to preserve plant and animal subspecies and try to stop eg interbreeding between Scottish wildcats and domestic cats. I guess my view is that the diversity of human races should be preserved but a moderate amount of interbreeding does not threaten that.

    I don’t recall HBDers ever saying that the more intelligent should rule the rest. Generally HBD seems most concerned with empiricism, finding out the truth. HBDers often argue against public policy based on the lie that all races are of equal ability but I’ve not seen them argue that whites or east-Asians ought to rule other races. They do say that it’s unsurprising to see more intelligent groups do better than less intelligent groups and that this is not evidence of discrimination.

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    Do you really feel you know the history of Chinese thought, what was going on there from about 4000 BC say to feel comfortable with that statement?

    Anytime I've looked, I've found names I've never heard of, ideas I'd never heard. Christ inventions and technologies I had no idea were done that early.

    And there is a lot of it. Pulling the string on that area just leads to more strings.

    Heck to this day I occasionally see a Greek referenced I'd never heard of before, and feel compelled to do the google/wiki thing.

    And you are talking about China? The place (with a wildly fluctuating map though), and probably about 10 times Greece's highest populations at times of utter nadir?

    You know reading my own text, I think people may think I am obsessed with China, forgetting there are other areas and groups in Asia. Thing is though, China is like Godzilla. There are just far more Chinese than there ever have been other groups, and it was their hand that stirred the waters.

    I'm not going to argue with you about your claim concerning the Greek period. But I'm not so sure you know Chinese history well enough to make a strong claim. I sure don't, but I know there is an assload of stuff that was going on there that is unknown or obscure but to specialists in the West.
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  28. Discard says:

    1. We have no idea what the average IQ of any Asian group is. Those that come to America are not chosen randomly, and their homelands are not about to release their own IQ statistics, if they have them. China could have a billion retards and we’d never know it.

    2. Really smart Whites, who might have been great scientists, are more likely to go into law or finance, where the pay for a really capable man is many multiples of a professor at Caltech. Our incentives steer the brilliant away from science.
    Also, smart American kids are very likely to take liberal arts. The Ivy League is full of them. The liberal arts are our culture, not Asians’, and it does not interest them much. And the Asians take science because their parents make them do it.
    Altogether, at this point, academic science is a poor proxy for a nation’s overall intelligence.

    3. If smart White women don’t start having more smart babies, our prospects will be poor. No female should go beyond the 8th grade. If a girl’s sharp enough to go to law school, the greatest contribution she could likely make to her society would be to have six kids.

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    No female should go beyond the 8th grade. If a girl’s sharp enough to go to law school, the greatest contribution she could likely make to her society would be to have six kids.


    For which she should be compensated. Either money or status, or both. The *reason* women's lib got a hold on America is, those smart women of the 50s who birthed their 3 contributions to the loudest baby boom that ever boomed, well, after having those kids and the kids grew up, those smart women were *bored* and tired of being called "just a housewife."

    The answer? Having it All, but Not All At Once.

    Kids first, education and interesting careers / home businesses later.

    , @LiveFreeOrDie
    Very good point. Same with Indians from India. If you have a very competitive system that selects only the very smartest of 1.25 billion people, and you only come into contact with those people, they will indeed seem like a super race.
    , @doubt A hi IO
    Chinese coming here are chosen with high IQ, possible on top 10% including some on top .001%. so comparing the achievement of immigrant from east Asian with the average white is meaningless. by the way I am Chinese.
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  29. uslabor says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    So what's your point, Fred: whites should just import these East Asian supermen and let them rule over us because they're so much smarter than we are? If they're so marvelous, let them stay in East Asia and turn it into Greater Shanghai/Hong Kong/Tokyo/Bangkok, etc. All real paradises; what white person isn't dying to live there? There's no inconsistency with admitting the IQ superiority of another group of people, but wanting to live with one's own people.

    Maybe what you want, wanting to live with one’s own people, is no longer possible. If you think it is possible how are you going to go about getting it?

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    There's something wrong if whites can't choose to live with whites, but other races can. Honestly, that's ridiculous. Your argument would seem to imply that we should eradicate pandas, wipe out every native culture and introduce placental animals to Australia.

    That's moronic. Let people choose to live with whatever group they wish to, including homogenous groups. How does it hurt you? Do you need to wipe out every last Amish now?

    Sheesh.
    , @Diversity Heretic
    How was it possible for Jews to form Israel?
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  30. uslabor says:
    @Jim Sweeney
    Fred's conclusion, that whites should stop breeding so as to leave the world to the superior race has a corollary. Browns and blacks should extinguish themselves as they are so far beneath the yellows and whites that there is no need for them.

    Good luck with your suggestion Mr. Reed. Perhaps you've been too long living in brown-land?

    Jim.

    Brownland, coming to a neighborhood near you – SOON! Good luck to your suggestion.

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  31. Equating the Alt-Right with white supremacists is like equating the Democratic Party with the KKK … there might be (might have been) a some overlap in the Venn Diagram showing the relationships, but it is a stretch to tar the entirety of either mainstream body with the sins of their darker minority cousins (as those terms play in an epistemological sense, not in a race-related sense).

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  32. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Wally
    Yet who is it that all peoples generally imitate and envy?

    Whites, of course.

    Except for Asians — who are half the world.

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    If Asians don't envy and imitate us, why do they call it the People's REPUBLIC of China? DEMOCRATIC Kampuchea? Why do Oriental girls get eye-rounding plastic surgery? Etc, etc, etc.
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  33. @Sunbeam
    That's a good question. To sort of quibble though, there are probably lots of historic thinkers we haven't heard of because they aren't covered in our curricula or our particular common knowledge.

    Also I've brought up on this site that we are closing in on two generations of elite college assortative mating. When is somebody gonna pump out another John Von Neumann. Shouldn't we be seeing a big noise about now? Heck I'll settle for Claude Shannon or Josiah Willard Gibbs instead of a Gauss level intellect.

    Is it the fact that we aren't hearing about things because they are so complicated now? Is it too hard to make fundamental advances? So many giants around even during the first half of the 20th century. Dirac, Heisenberg, where have they all gone?

    Are they languishing in obscurity because media can't find an angle (or even have the foggiest notion of what their work is) to popularize it? Have to go to school past your peak innovation years just to get to the frontiers of knowledge?

    Or maybe they are jerking off on Wall Street. Get a real job guys.

    “Are they languishing in obscurity because media can’t find an angle (or even have the foggiest notion of what their work is) to popularize it? Have to go to school past your peak innovation years just to get to the frontiers of knowledge?”

    There is a simpler answer … they are so far ahead of us now that they are operating in the fourth or a higher dimension, while we can only perceive three. This also explains why so many parts of Asia are so truly advanced and don’t need the burden of decadent Western techology, like adequate plumbing, safe and fresh water, and effective trash disposal … to the latter, they are so advanced on that front that they willingly take in our garbage. It must be true that white europeans are lazy and stupid, for we should have overrun, dominated, and plundered these paradisacal spots years ago.

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    To be fair, China was actually ahead of the West in cleanliness for a long time and did develop an advanced toilet system in one province as well far before most of the West(Mycenae might have done it first). As with Mycenae, the invention didn't seem to last.

    Technologies didn't seem very sticky back then for some reason.
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  34. ”The Alt-Right believes that the whites are innately–i.e., genetically–superior to all other races, that they have dominated the world through higher intelligence, and that their mastery is the result of Darwinian selection. Whites, they say, have a marvelous track record of achievement, and they don’t want to dilute it by intermarriage.”

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2017/03/white-nationalists-are-not-white-supremacists/

    Whites, they say, have a marvelous track record of achievement, and they don’t want to dilute it by intermarriage

    and what is the problem about that*

    argument… this is just your personal opinion.

    ”whites’ don’t want… because….

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  35. http://forward.com/culture/365099/the-secret-jewish-history-of-the-pussyhat/

    Fred loves everyone, less your own race, it’s madness…

    He’s happy because ”euro-whites” are, supposedly, underperforming… what’s up*

    There is a difference to be fair about ”your” own race or whatever, belonging group… than always try to say ”your” original group are inferior.

    People don’t know how economically difficult is to the ”third-worlders” to immigrate to the first world, they no have a precise dimension of it specially when the geographic distance is bigger.

    No doubt chinese and indian immigration to the third world has been selected specially in the past but still today.

    Only those with more neurons can be able to build a good standard living coming from a comparative very bad ones in their motherland.

    http://www.bertiekingore.com/high-gt-create.htm

    Most of gifted east asians, specially continental northern east asians, aka, chineses, [south) koreans, et all, seems are ”high achievers”

    but not over-proportionally gifted learner and ”gifted creative”…

    This qualitative differences explain why despite overrepresentation of east asians in gifted areas, the big ideas still tend to be made by whites or jews.

    Chineses seems have similar IQ than Whites. 105, on AVG, seems a upper-estimative. Japaneses have a IQ around 104. If japaneses are smarter than chineses so the late it’s likelly will score less on avg less than this value, 104.

    Japaneses have shown ”higher” proportion of gifted creative types than chineses, at least by now.

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  36. I’ve occupied professional arenas with the highest-IQ set for some time.
    I notice – “notice” – that’s a big word around here isn’t it?, anyway I notice something about tests of IQ.
    For one – let’s remember, there are a lot of them: SAT, LSAT, GRE, run-of-the-mill IQ test, etc.
    For another – these tests, whatever they are, are typically given at a specific milestone in time.

    That milestone usually is:

    Completely arbitrary.

    So – I notice that: when people are given lots of time, and they put lots of effort, into studying and practicing and mastering – a thing – they tend to get really, really good at it.

    On the other hand, I also notice that: many people who “test” at some spectacular level at age 18 or 23, and especially they are testing at a spectacular level on a test of such general relevance as to be specifically – nearly irrelevant … well very often those people:

    Slow down – after they test.
    They have their laurels after all.

    Meanwhile others keep plugging away, practicing, studying, engaging, focusing, getting better.

    Until not even very long later – in their late 20s, in their 30s, in their 40s – no one would ever say so out loud because that would be rude, dangerous, impolitic – but very often those people who didn’t score so well earlier, are running circles around those who did.

    This tendency probably has something to do with who is selected to lead, by the way, since leadership decisions usually come long after aptitude testing.

    All of it serves to make me think that IQ tests have the potential to be a psychological weapon of mass destruction – extremely effective at getting people to quite before they ever start; Sometimes effective at getting whole groups of people to give up, before they really put in the fight.

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    Falsifiable.

    IQ is consistently correlated with better life expectanties including wealth; indeed, even if "late bloomers" were to show more capabilities, they would still have to struggle against the accumulated wealth from the early succeeders.

    I'm still dubious, though, from personal experience. I didn't realize that I was high IQ until much later in life when I got MENSA tested, despite academic accomplishments. I simply assumed I worked harder.

    At some point, I realized that the average jobs were simply easier for me. When I was doing a simple call center job, it was easy for me to remember all of the solutions and commit to three times the number of calls compared to others. With my spare time, I would be bored and ended up automating entire job functions - and made a data entry worker redundant, which made her despise me. The latter, unfortunately, would become a theme - my presence was rarely healthy for the career of my peers.

    By the time I was promoted to management, I was expected to have to be in training for four months before I could lead anything. But by the second week, I was leading meetings simply because it didn't seem so difficult to reuse all of the tools, worksheets, agendas, etc I had learned. I always end up feeling like bored, and put in a lot of random time learning other things.

    Learning that I was in the top 10% actually has had a more humbling effect on me. Before, I was probably less compassionate and simply assumed that others were lazy. I've come to realize that I've been doing a lot of projection and that many things are simply easier for me, and I should be kinder overall.
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  37. If mexicans lived in Philippines archipelago, or Phillipines is Mexico, would be likely that their smarter ones would be over-selected.

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  38. JSM says:
    @Discard
    1. We have no idea what the average IQ of any Asian group is. Those that come to America are not chosen randomly, and their homelands are not about to release their own IQ statistics, if they have them. China could have a billion retards and we'd never know it.

    2. Really smart Whites, who might have been great scientists, are more likely to go into law or finance, where the pay for a really capable man is many multiples of a professor at Caltech. Our incentives steer the brilliant away from science.
    Also, smart American kids are very likely to take liberal arts. The Ivy League is full of them. The liberal arts are our culture, not Asians', and it does not interest them much. And the Asians take science because their parents make them do it.
    Altogether, at this point, academic science is a poor proxy for a nation's overall intelligence.

    3. If smart White women don't start having more smart babies, our prospects will be poor. No female should go beyond the 8th grade. If a girl's sharp enough to go to law school, the greatest contribution she could likely make to her society would be to have six kids.

    No female should go beyond the 8th grade. If a girl’s sharp enough to go to law school, the greatest contribution she could likely make to her society would be to have six kids.

    For which she should be compensated. Either money or status, or both. The *reason* women’s lib got a hold on America is, those smart women of the 50s who birthed their 3 contributions to the loudest baby boom that ever boomed, well, after having those kids and the kids grew up, those smart women were *bored* and tired of being called “just a housewife.”

    The answer? Having it All, but Not All At Once.

    Kids first, education and interesting careers / home businesses later.

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    Fair enough. I benefitted from all those smart female teachers in my day. Most of them had kids.
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  39. No, there is no “super race” and anyone who believes so is ignorant. Any traits chosen will be arbitrary.

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  40. @anonymous coward


    The Alt-Right believes that the whites are innately–i.e., genetically–superior to all other races
     
    Technically they are correct, insofar as 'whites' are the original and most genetically diverse human stock.

    “‘whites’ are the original and most genetically diverse human stock.”

    Citation needed.

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    Citation needed.
     
    You don't need citations for something that is trivially observable with your own eyes.

    Also, the oldest homo sapiens archeological artifacts are found in Europe and are genetically 'white'.
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  41. @Clyde Wilson
    Math is not the only intelligence, Fred

    This. A longitudinal study from 82 to 2012 showed that verbal IQ in China is 99.

    https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/06/06/chinese-iq/

    They aren’t too proficient verbally, but they excel spatially (like all peoples who derive from that group of Siberians).

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    Any expat working/living in China ALWAYS comes away deeply unimpressed with the Chinese, intellectually or morally.
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  42. Sunbeam says:
    @Simon in London
    The Greek classical golden age ca 520-320 BC was far more creative & innovative than any comparable period outside Europe. Then we have the last 500 years or so in Europe.

    Alt-Right objections to whites interbreeding with east-Asians (which I don't share) don't seem to depend on mooted white superiority. It seems to be more about preserving the white race for its own sake, much like conservationists wish to preserve plant and animal subspecies and try to stop eg interbreeding between Scottish wildcats and domestic cats. I guess my view is that the diversity of human races should be preserved but a moderate amount of interbreeding does not threaten that.

    I don't recall HBDers ever saying that the more intelligent should rule the rest. Generally HBD seems most concerned with empiricism, finding out the truth. HBDers often argue against public policy based on the lie that all races are of equal ability but I've not seen them argue that whites or east-Asians ought to rule other races. They do say that it's unsurprising to see more intelligent groups do better than less intelligent groups and that this is not evidence of discrimination.

    Do you really feel you know the history of Chinese thought, what was going on there from about 4000 BC say to feel comfortable with that statement?

    Anytime I’ve looked, I’ve found names I’ve never heard of, ideas I’d never heard. Christ inventions and technologies I had no idea were done that early.

    And there is a lot of it. Pulling the string on that area just leads to more strings.

    Heck to this day I occasionally see a Greek referenced I’d never heard of before, and feel compelled to do the google/wiki thing.

    And you are talking about China? The place (with a wildly fluctuating map though), and probably about 10 times Greece’s highest populations at times of utter nadir?

    You know reading my own text, I think people may think I am obsessed with China, forgetting there are other areas and groups in Asia. Thing is though, China is like Godzilla. There are just far more Chinese than there ever have been other groups, and it was their hand that stirred the waters.

    I’m not going to argue with you about your claim concerning the Greek period. But I’m not so sure you know Chinese history well enough to make a strong claim. I sure don’t, but I know there is an assload of stuff that was going on there that is unknown or obscure but to specialists in the West.

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    But do you need to be a scholar of Chinese history to judge its influence? We know where the vast majority of crucial technological, scientific and philosophic breakthroughs originated, and it wasn't from guys with names that sound like ricocheting gunshots.

    It seems your argument necessarily suggests that it might be possible that Western thought could somehow be unaware of its own roots. If a breakthrough of note was authored by a Chinaman, then we would know his name. If we don't, then it was inconsequential.
    , @Montefrío
    I suspect you'd enjoy reading (or at least browsing) Joseph Needham's monumental seven volume set Science and Civilization in China.

    Compare Lao Tzu and the Tao Te Ching with Heraclitus and what we have of his writings. They were essentially contemporaries (6th century b.c.e) and shared a metaphysical/philosophical point of view that stands in sharp contrast to the Abrahamic religions and their monotheistic metaphysics. In places where taoist/zen metaphysics have prevailed or at least been widely known, it is very likely that persons of high intelligence or genius as we measure such things was less inclined to pursue the materialist/comforts/conveniences model dominant in the West for millenia.

    I'm a certified genius, but thanks to an early (over 50 yrs now) exposure to and extensive study of Chinese and Japanese metaphysics/philosophy (taoism and zen), I never became particularly acquisitive or driven by materialism, believing as I do that wealth is owning one's time as opposed to goods. I like my comforts and conveniences as much as the next guy, but within limits, given that beyond those limits they tend to become distractions from the immediate experiences of living. I suspect that there was no shortage of "high i.q." Asians during the rise of the West, but given different values, they placed less emphasis on technology. The Chinese had invented the fore-and-aft rigged sailing ship 12 centuries before it appeared in the West, yet they never became a sea power, not for lack of ability but rather for lack of interest.

    The idea of a "super race" (hopefully written in jest) is so silly that it tends to discredit anyone who sincerely takes it seriously; I doubt Fred does.
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  43. @Anon
    Is there a superior race? What would be the best way to assess such being?

    One possibility: the women decide, at least in our open and libertine world of free movement and choices.

    Before anything is possible, race must exist. Without existence, one is nothing. So, existence is the foundation of superiority because 'something' is superior to 'nothing', or what exists have superiority over what doesn't.
    Everything exists because it came into being. It didn't always exist. So, if conditions favor the coming-into-being or the birthing of something, then it has superiority or priority over what failed to come into being.

    So, race and racial identity depend largely on whom women choose to have babies with. That decides which men will spread most of their seeds and genes. Men who are not accepted by women cannot spread their seeds and genes. Deemed inferior as mates, their genetic codes will not pass down.

    At the basic animal-sexual level, what are women most attracted to? Muscle, height, penis size, and musicality.
    On this basic animalist basis, globalist formula is as follows: black men > white men > yellow men.

    And stats bear this out, even though some white guys are in denial because they feel ashamed to admit sexual defeat. In the past, women had far less freedom and were sexually restrained.
    So, there was less animalist factor in sexual behavior. Things were more moral and restrictive. Women had to maintain their reputation as 'good women'.
    Also, most women found one man and married him and had sex only with him. That was part of being a 'good ho' than a 'bad ho'.
    Also, as men had most of the jobs, women relied on men for support.
    Today, women are employed more extensively than men, and they can support themselves. Some choose to marry, but many just spend money on self-pleasure, and that means having loose sex with lots of men. Some become single-mothers with men who don't hang around.
    There was a time when candid talk of sex was deemed uncouth and vulgar among women. Today, young girls are raised on GIRLS(Dunham), SEX AND CITY, VAGINA MONOLOGUE, porny music videos(of Miley Cyrus), and lewd standup comedy. Women now openly talk about female genitalia, male genitalia, and even bungholes. And women brag about their 'conquests' like men do.

    Today, women are free to choose, allowed to be sexually uninhibited, and to have sex with lotsa men. In the past, Italian-American fathers would have thought it an infamia for their girls to act like hookers. But today, men of all races raise their girls to turn to sex at early age and go to springbreak and have orgy-porgies. Indeed, any father who says such thing is wrong and that he didn't raise his girl to be an offering to Mammon is seen as 'patriarchal' and Corleonic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA_WYpQEeJg

    So, animal drives come into play, and women are most turned on by height, muscle, musicality, and dong.
    So, from an animal-instinct viewpoint, black men are superior to white men who are superior to Asian men because women deem black men more manly than white men and deem white men more manly than Asian men.
    And, we have more and more white women(raised on rap music, black dominated sports from high school to pros, interracial porn, etc) going black and using their wombs to create babies for black men.
    And we have near-majority of Asian women in America rejecting Asian men as inferior and choosing to have 'white kids' with white men(or with other men). So, women decide which race is superior in our libertine globalized world. Everything else is academic.

    In many cases, Asian women prefer to have kids with white men, or even with black men who don't stick around than with Asian men who are willing to stick around. Asian women would rather be a single mother with children of 'superior man' than a married woman stuck with an inferior man who is 'nice'.

    Black men colonize white wombs, brown wombs, and yellow wombs. Plenty of white women are now single mothers with black babies. With millions of Africans arriving in EU, you can guess what the result will be. Massive Afro-colonization of white wombs. Black males whupping and 'pussifying' white males, rap music culture, interracial propaganda, 'anti-racism', cuckery as virtue for white males, promotion of blacks in education, homo-izing white men(even straight ones), and etc will all lead to massive colonization of white wombs by black men who are seen as superior by white women at the base-animal-level. Sexuality is animal drive, not an intellectual drive. It's like, if there is a nice decent homely smart girl with modest body and a dumbass nasty bimbo with big boobs and bouncy booty, many guys(even smart educated ones) will go with the latter. His moral sense may say the nice homely smart girl is superior, but his animal drive says the bodacious bimbo ho is the superior mate. It's like that Leonard Cohen song about how his woman got seduced away by some 'gypsy thief'.

    https://youtu.be/kkSERbdl39Q?t=2m6s

    In past societies where all people were within local & closed societies, the women only knew local men and didn't see them as inferior or superior. They were the only men they knew. But, modern women in globalized world compare their men with other men around the world(seen in movies, TV, sports, music, etc), and they may feel that their own men are 'losers'.
    Today, white, Mexican, Muslim, Jewish, and Asian boys are so desperate to be 'cool' that some imitate blacks or hang around blacks to prove they got 'street credit'. Blacks laugh at such 'puss-ass' behavior, but globo-boys pursue their transracial fantasy. Look at Shaun King. Maybe he is part black or maybe not, but he wants to be black than white cuz he sees blackness as 'cool', whiteness as 'lame'.
    A black guy doesn't have to associate himself with white, asian, or mexican to be 'badass', but globo-boys or globoys feel a need to git down and hang loose to be cool.

    Race is a sexual product. A white person is the product of white woman choosing to have kid with white man. If she prefers black man, then she will produce a black baby from her white womb that will be colonized by black sperm.
    If you are white, You are white because your white mother chose a white man. But if she'd gone black, her white womb would have spawned a black kid. Even white women who do marry white and have white kids believe there would have been nothing wrong if they'd chosen to have black kids. They have no sense of racial loyalty. So, your white mother feels she could have gone black and that would have been just fine.
    White women having black babies are increasing because whites worship blacks in sports, music, and sex. Whites admire black race as the superior race when it comes to sex, and THAT is crucial because all life is created by sex, or one's father humping one's mother.
    And since Asian men are seen as inferior, Asian women reject them and use their yellow wombs to create 'white'babies for white men. If Amy Chua's mama had grown up in the US, she would have likely gone with some Jewish or white guy too.

    So, which is the superior race? Before all else, a person of certain race must exist in the first place, and that means he must be born. And that means some guy has to fuck some woman. Existence trumps all and is the foundation of superiority.

    Indeed, existence is the first foundation of superiority. No matter how much a man claims to be superior, if a woman rejects him and chooses another man to have kids with, the OTHER man's sperm will have superiority. (For example, based on IQ scores, it can be claimed that Asian men are superior to all races except Jews/whites. After all, East Asian IQ is higher than that of blacks. But being sexually inferior in a world where Asian women now have free sexual choice, the claim of East Asian racial superiority based on geek IQ becomes irrelevant since women want non-Asian men to impregnate them.
    Asian men may be superior geeks, but women with 'liberated' and 'sexually-revolutionized' animal drives prefer studs, not duds. So, even as Asian geeks may be superior in science and math, they fail at the fundamental level of reproduction. They can multiply numbers but can't multiply genes through reproduction. Biologically, they are all about subtraction of their genes that women don't want.

    In the end, the men who spread most sperm is the superior from evolutionary vantage point. And current social setup of female choice and libertine sexuality favors black men over white men and white men over Asian men. Because Asian men are seen as dorks, they must make lots of money to attract women, and some Asian boys work hard to make money.

    All people are born through women. So, in a free and animalized society, superiority is judged by the raw sexual drives and sexual choices of women. Women watch stuff like SEX AND THE CITY where women are explicit about what they want in bed. Though it's not racially spelled out, it means the Modern Globalized women will admire the Joe Bucks of the world most since Pop Culture tropes go that way. Some may blame Liberal Hollywood for such stereotypes, but most stereotypes have some basis in fact.

    As the entire world becomes globalized by increased travel, internet, and mass immigration and emigration, men and women around the world are discovering they have divergent sexual values. Black men have higher value than black women, and Asian women have higher value than Asian men. And winners want to be with winners.

    White men will increasingly lose to black men(who are arriving by the millions to Europe to white women addicted to rap culture and jungle fever) and Asian men will lose to white and black men because Asian women, once given a globalist choice, prefer non-Asian men as superior to inferior Asian men who are seen as dorks. Globalism offers more freedom and choice to everyone but confers differs desirability to each group and each person. So, sexual freedom for blacks means that both black men and black women can hump anyone. But whereas black men are wanted by many, black women aren't wanted by many. Sex is different consumerism. Anyone with money can buy anything. But with sex, the other side has to agree. Any black woman with money can buy any TV. But is she wants some man, he has to say yes. And most men don't say yes to Thelma Jackson who be saying, "I's wants my man."

    For most of human history, women didn't have a choice. Also, they were expected to be faithful to one man for entire life. Even most men didn't have choice since many marriages were arranged by parents. Also, prior to imperialism and globalism, most races lived in separation from others.
    But now, at least in modern parts of the world, women get to choose the men. And they have a wide choice from all races since all societies are getting filled with diversity.

    And we see more and more white women not getting married and just having lots of loose sex. In colleges, many white girls got jungle fever for black athletes(who are worshiped as heroes by cucky white boys). Indeed, college coaches and recruiters attract black athletes with the lure of jungle-fever-mad white girls.

    All this globalism is done in the name of equality and 'anti-racism', but the result is totally about sexual inequality among races and the racial-sexual superiority of some men over others.

    So, what is the superior race? In today's globalized world where women have the freedom the choose, racial superiority is determined by whose seeds women choose to take. Each year, black seeds impregnates not only black wombs but white and yellow wombs. White men lose out to black men but spread their seeds to yellow wombs. So, by women's sexual choice, Asian males become most inferior race. Asian dorks may win math prizes, but their test papers don't create new life. They can only create new life through women.

    Now, we can be PC and say all races are equal or 'race is just a social construct', but the fact is women NOTICE race. And they choose based on race. And that means race is, above all, a sexual product.

    Here is a good show on the matter, popular TV but it gets the basics.

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    Hey RR88,

    Thanks for the video. I like how that scientist was comparing human differences to the various butterflies. I myself see physical differences (and I include things like intelligence, resilience, etc. within that category since these can be linked to the physical constitution of a person) in humans a bit like how I see differences in various dog breeds. Which one is superior? Well, depends on what you're looking to get out of it.

    Peace.

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  44. @Anonymous
    Oh the white tears and angst from Fred just pointing out the intellectual inconsistencies that so many posters here use to feel better about themselves.

    I find it amusing that a random white person will say "look at Einstein he is smart and white that must mean the white race is smart."

    Or "Look at Seinfeld, he is creative and artistic. That must mean whites are gifted in the arts and are creative."

    Meanwhile that white person might be a low iq Irishman or random Euromut.

    White people try to lump all whites together when it benefits them like claiming high iq or creativity when it is only Jewish whites who exhibit this trait.

    And they also try to disclaim white traits if they are negative by saying "oh not all whites are like that. It is Jews who have this negative trait."

    Kudos to Fred for calling out these hypocrits.

    Seinfeld and Einstein are Ashkenazi jews.

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    Askenazi JewISH. Big difference.
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  45. @Michael Pyshnov
    First, Darwin told us about survival of the fittest. Then, kmarx said wars are caused by capitalists. Now, we chose people by IQ. But, in fact the world is in the war of nations, not by IQ or by money or by physical traits, but by national traits. That's the reality.

    The only solution is to separate. Land and its nation. Nation-State. Total independence. No more than 2% foreigners in a nation-state. Tourism, exchange, etc. is OK. But not citizenship for foreigners. The alternative will be the total war, and it's coming. And I am talking about preservation of the only thing that we have as people - culture. If we mix two nations, we have two cultures lost, two languages lost, etc. And, of course, Darwin, kmarx and technocrats had no culture, they are anti-humans. If you are guided by ideology, wake up.

    It’s not survival of the fittest as much as survival of the “good enough”.

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  46. @Daniel Chieh
    Noticing differences isn't the same thing as asserting superiority in all realms, though. I'm fairly certain that Asians have a general lack of curiousity - including myself. I credit my largely conservative views for a personal fondness for stability over innovation as well.

    This implies that our accomplishments will be more notable if in fact, all of the low-hanging fruit of science has been picked and there isn't as much innovation left in the world. If the opposite is true, I'm fairly sure that we will continue to lag behind in many metrics.

    I feel that Mr. Reed's understanding of HBD's adherents is limited. I can acknowledge the hereditary advantage of Keynan long-distance runners over mine without necessarily classifying them as a super-race in all aspects of life.

    Once again, Fred Reed demonstrates his cucked ignorance. Alt-Right just wants whites to have a place of their own. IQ superiority has nothing to do with it. Blacks are the ones who really hate Asians, because Asians’ success proves black failure has nothing to do with discrimination.

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  47. @uslabor
    Maybe what you want, wanting to live with one's own people, is no longer possible. If you think it is possible how are you going to go about getting it?

    There’s something wrong if whites can’t choose to live with whites, but other races can. Honestly, that’s ridiculous. Your argument would seem to imply that we should eradicate pandas, wipe out every native culture and introduce placental animals to Australia.

    That’s moronic. Let people choose to live with whatever group they wish to, including homogenous groups. How does it hurt you? Do you need to wipe out every last Amish now?

    Sheesh.

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  48. @The Alarmist

    "Are they languishing in obscurity because media can’t find an angle (or even have the foggiest notion of what their work is) to popularize it? Have to go to school past your peak innovation years just to get to the frontiers of knowledge?"
     
    There is a simpler answer ... they are so far ahead of us now that they are operating in the fourth or a higher dimension, while we can only perceive three. This also explains why so many parts of Asia are so truly advanced and don't need the burden of decadent Western techology, like adequate plumbing, safe and fresh water, and effective trash disposal ... to the latter, they are so advanced on that front that they willingly take in our garbage. It must be true that white europeans are lazy and stupid, for we should have overrun, dominated, and plundered these paradisacal spots years ago.

    To be fair, China was actually ahead of the West in cleanliness for a long time and did develop an advanced toilet system in one province as well far before most of the West(Mycenae might have done it first). As with Mycenae, the invention didn’t seem to last.

    Technologies didn’t seem very sticky back then for some reason.

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  49. @RaceRealist88
    This. A longitudinal study from 82 to 2012 showed that verbal IQ in China is 99.

    https://notpoliticallycorrect.me/2016/06/06/chinese-iq/

    They aren't too proficient verbally, but they excel spatially (like all peoples who derive from that group of Siberians).

    Any expat working/living in China ALWAYS comes away deeply unimpressed with the Chinese, intellectually or morally.

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    How do you define intelligence and "moral"?
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  50. @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    I've occupied professional arenas with the highest-IQ set for some time.
    I notice - "notice" - that's a big word around here isn't it?, anyway I notice something about tests of IQ.
    For one - let's remember, there are a lot of them: SAT, LSAT, GRE, run-of-the-mill IQ test, etc.
    For another - these tests, whatever they are, are typically given at a specific milestone in time.

    That milestone usually is:

    Completely arbitrary.

    So - I notice that: when people are given lots of time, and they put lots of effort, into studying and practicing and mastering - a thing - they tend to get really, really good at it.

    On the other hand, I also notice that: many people who "test" at some spectacular level at age 18 or 23, and especially they are testing at a spectacular level on a test of such general relevance as to be specifically - nearly irrelevant ... well very often those people:

    Slow down - after they test.
    They have their laurels after all.

    Meanwhile others keep plugging away, practicing, studying, engaging, focusing, getting better.

    Until not even very long later - in their late 20s, in their 30s, in their 40s - no one would ever say so out loud because that would be rude, dangerous, impolitic - but very often those people who didn't score so well earlier, are running circles around those who did.

    This tendency probably has something to do with who is selected to lead, by the way, since leadership decisions usually come long after aptitude testing.

    All of it serves to make me think that IQ tests have the potential to be a psychological weapon of mass destruction - extremely effective at getting people to quite before they ever start; Sometimes effective at getting whole groups of people to give up, before they really put in the fight.

    Falsifiable.

    IQ is consistently correlated with better life expectanties including wealth; indeed, even if “late bloomers” were to show more capabilities, they would still have to struggle against the accumulated wealth from the early succeeders.

    I’m still dubious, though, from personal experience. I didn’t realize that I was high IQ until much later in life when I got MENSA tested, despite academic accomplishments. I simply assumed I worked harder.

    At some point, I realized that the average jobs were simply easier for me. When I was doing a simple call center job, it was easy for me to remember all of the solutions and commit to three times the number of calls compared to others. With my spare time, I would be bored and ended up automating entire job functions – and made a data entry worker redundant, which made her despise me. The latter, unfortunately, would become a theme – my presence was rarely healthy for the career of my peers.

    By the time I was promoted to management, I was expected to have to be in training for four months before I could lead anything. But by the second week, I was leading meetings simply because it didn’t seem so difficult to reuse all of the tools, worksheets, agendas, etc I had learned. I always end up feeling like bored, and put in a lot of random time learning other things.

    Learning that I was in the top 10% actually has had a more humbling effect on me. Before, I was probably less compassionate and simply assumed that others were lazy. I’ve come to realize that I’ve been doing a lot of projection and that many things are simply easier for me, and I should be kinder overall.

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    The confounding factors are many so no, not as falsifiable as you assume.

    For one: we told the person not to bother trying, they failed their IQ test after all.
    That dropped a whole segment out of the competition.

    For another: the success deltas drop off at the higher ends of the curve.
    In other words: the success delta from 100 to 115 is significant.

    The difference though between 100 and 115, versus 115 and 120, insignificant.

    One guesses: if we hadn't lobbed off so much competition at 18 and 23, but kept the investment going - the miniscule delta on the upper end 5 point spread would diminish further.

    Grapes come in different varieties and mature over different timelines and in response to different cultivation techniques. Testing them all at the same chronological date under the same cultivation techniques against the same metrics yields deeply confused analytics and risks ruining the harvest from poor metadata.

    , @grey enlightenment2
    Top 10% isn't that impressive. Top .1% is
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  51. @uslabor
    Maybe what you want, wanting to live with one's own people, is no longer possible. If you think it is possible how are you going to go about getting it?

    How was it possible for Jews to form Israel?

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    Dispossession, creeping genocide and the construction of an apartheid system. Does that sound about right?
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  52. Ragno says:

    Overheard at La Casa Reed:

    (unintelligible stream of hundred-mile-an-hour Spanish, punctuated by vituperative exclamations of “puto Trump!”)

    Fred: I’m writing it, I’m writing it, goddammit!

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  53. Fred Reed:

    The Alt-Right believes that the whites are innately–i.e., genetically–superior to all other races, that they have dominated the world through higher intelligence, and that their mastery is the result of Darwinian selection. Whites, they say, have a marvelous track record of achievement, and they don’t want to dilute it by intermarriage.

    Richard Spencer, founder of the Alt Right:

    Spencer was clear, however, that he does not believe in broad racial superiority. “[Races] will take on different characteristics, they’ll have different qualities,” he suggested. He went on to explain that evolution can happen very quickly, citing the creation of the golden retriever dog breed over the past hundred years as an example. He went on to say that “no one denies the existence of race in the natural world. We seem to think that humans are special”.

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    "We seem to think that humans are special"

    Humans are not special.
    , @Santoculto
    "founder of alt right"??
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  54. @Daniel Chieh
    Falsifiable.

    IQ is consistently correlated with better life expectanties including wealth; indeed, even if "late bloomers" were to show more capabilities, they would still have to struggle against the accumulated wealth from the early succeeders.

    I'm still dubious, though, from personal experience. I didn't realize that I was high IQ until much later in life when I got MENSA tested, despite academic accomplishments. I simply assumed I worked harder.

    At some point, I realized that the average jobs were simply easier for me. When I was doing a simple call center job, it was easy for me to remember all of the solutions and commit to three times the number of calls compared to others. With my spare time, I would be bored and ended up automating entire job functions - and made a data entry worker redundant, which made her despise me. The latter, unfortunately, would become a theme - my presence was rarely healthy for the career of my peers.

    By the time I was promoted to management, I was expected to have to be in training for four months before I could lead anything. But by the second week, I was leading meetings simply because it didn't seem so difficult to reuse all of the tools, worksheets, agendas, etc I had learned. I always end up feeling like bored, and put in a lot of random time learning other things.

    Learning that I was in the top 10% actually has had a more humbling effect on me. Before, I was probably less compassionate and simply assumed that others were lazy. I've come to realize that I've been doing a lot of projection and that many things are simply easier for me, and I should be kinder overall.

    The confounding factors are many so no, not as falsifiable as you assume.

    For one: we told the person not to bother trying, they failed their IQ test after all.
    That dropped a whole segment out of the competition.

    For another: the success deltas drop off at the higher ends of the curve.
    In other words: the success delta from 100 to 115 is significant.

    The difference though between 100 and 115, versus 115 and 120, insignificant.

    One guesses: if we hadn’t lobbed off so much competition at 18 and 23, but kept the investment going – the miniscule delta on the upper end 5 point spread would diminish further.

    Grapes come in different varieties and mature over different timelines and in response to different cultivation techniques. Testing them all at the same chronological date under the same cultivation techniques against the same metrics yields deeply confused analytics and risks ruining the harvest from poor metadata.

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    But most people don't get their IQ tested at 18, I would think, and wouldn't know if they are falling off. The main reason why I don't believe in the "don't bother trying" effect is that the traditional tiger parent includes humiliating children by telling them that they're dull, and that only through enormous effort can they hope to have a future.

    But it doesn't seem to negatively effect the children who survive, which would technically be low-performers for believing less of themselves. Instead, they either endure and manage more than reasonably well, or kill themselves and remove themselves from the system.
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  55. Oldeguy says:
    @Hubbub
    Things are what they are. Let it be. What many of us object to is not that some groups may, in some respects, be superior to other groups, but that the differences are acknowledged and accepted. Only then, will there be peace.

    I'm white and somewhat intelligent; I'm willing to accept that some Asians are more innately intelligent than I am. I do not 'feel' inferior by any means. What I do want, however, is the right to succeed to the degree that I can, without my chances being given to those who are undeserving or of lesser quality - which has happened to me.

    An exceptionally sane comment on an exceptionally clever and sane post.

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  56. @george strong
    Any expat working/living in China ALWAYS comes away deeply unimpressed with the Chinese, intellectually or morally.

    How do you define intelligence and “moral”?

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    We probably need to work on this entire "We have discovered God" and "His name is Money."
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  57. @Anatoly Karlin
    Fred Reed:

    The Alt-Right believes that the whites are innately–i.e., genetically–superior to all other races, that they have dominated the world through higher intelligence, and that their mastery is the result of Darwinian selection. Whites, they say, have a marvelous track record of achievement, and they don’t want to dilute it by intermarriage.
     
    Richard Spencer, founder of the Alt Right:

    Spencer was clear, however, that he does not believe in broad racial superiority. “[Races] will take on different characteristics, they’ll have different qualities,” he suggested. He went on to explain that evolution can happen very quickly, citing the creation of the golden retriever dog breed over the past hundred years as an example. He went on to say that “no one denies the existence of race in the natural world. We seem to think that humans are special”.
     

    “We seem to think that humans are special”

    Humans are not special.

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  58. @Sunbeam
    You hear the innovation and creativity thing a lot. Particularly on this site I guess.

    But is it really true? Not so sure about that one. If anything I believe human history shows Asia to be more creative and innovative than what I'll call the West - except for the past 400 years or so.

    I'm also not sure that is surprising. I'd like to see a graph of world population going back to say 10,000 BC (sometime around when agriculture arose). Then a graph of Chinese population plotted at the same time (though what we are calling China is a headache). My guess is we are talking about at 25-30% of all humans living at any given time (and that is a minimum).

    Incidentally I've also seen a graph somewhere upon which China and India's GNP over the same time was plotted (your guess is as good as mine as to their methodology). In general 40 to 50% of all human economic activity has been produced by these two countries (though what is an "India" at any given time in history?).

    Maybe the anomaly of the past few centuries is over, and things are getting back to normal.

    If anything I believe human history shows Asia to be more creative and innovative than what I’ll call the West – except for the past 400 years or so.

    Emil Kirkegaard plotted it out here.

    http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/?p=6369

    The only point in history during which Asians were more innovative was during the European Dark Ages.

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  59. @SimplePseudonymicHandle
    The confounding factors are many so no, not as falsifiable as you assume.

    For one: we told the person not to bother trying, they failed their IQ test after all.
    That dropped a whole segment out of the competition.

    For another: the success deltas drop off at the higher ends of the curve.
    In other words: the success delta from 100 to 115 is significant.

    The difference though between 100 and 115, versus 115 and 120, insignificant.

    One guesses: if we hadn't lobbed off so much competition at 18 and 23, but kept the investment going - the miniscule delta on the upper end 5 point spread would diminish further.

    Grapes come in different varieties and mature over different timelines and in response to different cultivation techniques. Testing them all at the same chronological date under the same cultivation techniques against the same metrics yields deeply confused analytics and risks ruining the harvest from poor metadata.

    But most people don’t get their IQ tested at 18, I would think, and wouldn’t know if they are falling off. The main reason why I don’t believe in the “don’t bother trying” effect is that the traditional tiger parent includes humiliating children by telling them that they’re dull, and that only through enormous effort can they hope to have a future.

    But it doesn’t seem to negatively effect the children who survive, which would technically be low-performers for believing less of themselves. Instead, they either endure and manage more than reasonably well, or kill themselves and remove themselves from the system.

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  60. @Anatoly Karlin
    Fred Reed:

    The Alt-Right believes that the whites are innately–i.e., genetically–superior to all other races, that they have dominated the world through higher intelligence, and that their mastery is the result of Darwinian selection. Whites, they say, have a marvelous track record of achievement, and they don’t want to dilute it by intermarriage.
     
    Richard Spencer, founder of the Alt Right:

    Spencer was clear, however, that he does not believe in broad racial superiority. “[Races] will take on different characteristics, they’ll have different qualities,” he suggested. He went on to explain that evolution can happen very quickly, citing the creation of the golden retriever dog breed over the past hundred years as an example. He went on to say that “no one denies the existence of race in the natural world. We seem to think that humans are special”.
     

    “founder of alt right”??

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    He coined the term.
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  61. Talha says:
    @RaceRealist88
    Here is a good show on the matter, popular TV but it gets the basics.

    https://youtu.be/kKbGvpgBwe8

    Hey RR88,

    Thanks for the video. I like how that scientist was comparing human differences to the various butterflies. I myself see physical differences (and I include things like intelligence, resilience, etc. within that category since these can be linked to the physical constitution of a person) in humans a bit like how I see differences in various dog breeds. Which one is superior? Well, depends on what you’re looking to get out of it.

    Peace.

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    It's a great episode. I haven't watched it in a while, but I believe, Linda Gottfredson is in the episode. Through the Wormhole is great show. There's also another one on if everyone is a "bigot".

    https://youtu.be/jmE990-eUiw

    He talks about an interesting study in the beginning. They tested men and women, both black and white, to see who they'd shoot at more often. Both races and sexes shot at blacks more.
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  62. jay-w says:

    The really big divide amongst human beings is not “White northern Europeans vs. People of Color. ” The really big intractable chasm lies between people of Eurasian ancestry and people of sub-Saharan African ancestry.

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    Tell that to U.C recruiters.
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  63. The Alt-Right believes that the whites are innately–i.e., genetically–superior to all other races, that they have dominated the world through higher intelligence, and that their mastery is the result of Darwinian selection. Whites, they say, have a marvelous track record of achievement, and they don’t want to dilute it by intermarriage.

    Fred, this canard is getting old. Granted, there is no one definition of “alt-right” but, in general, alt-righters make no claim of white superiority. They simply want for whites what Jews want for Jews, to preserve their people and culture and to have a homeland.

    Why is this so hard for you to understand? Or is understanding this just not good for business?

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    I call horseshit.
    All white nationalists/alt-righters are white supremacists, implicitly if not explicitly.
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  64. @RaceRealist88
    How do you define intelligence and "moral"?

    We probably need to work on this entire “We have discovered God” and “His name is Money.”

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  65. @Santoculto
    "founder of alt right"??

    He coined the term.

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  66. @Talha
    Hey RR88,

    Thanks for the video. I like how that scientist was comparing human differences to the various butterflies. I myself see physical differences (and I include things like intelligence, resilience, etc. within that category since these can be linked to the physical constitution of a person) in humans a bit like how I see differences in various dog breeds. Which one is superior? Well, depends on what you're looking to get out of it.

    Peace.

    It’s a great episode. I haven’t watched it in a while, but I believe, Linda Gottfredson is in the episode. Through the Wormhole is great show. There’s also another one on if everyone is a “bigot”.

    He talks about an interesting study in the beginning. They tested men and women, both black and white, to see who they’d shoot at more often. Both races and sexes shot at blacks more.

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    Hey RR88,

    He makes an interesting quote in that last video:
    "They're getting the idea that Black male goes with violence."

    Looking at it subjectively, this can be both good and bad. There are both advantages and disadvantages of being the subject of that assumption. For instance, advantages; people are less likely to mess with you, there is an attractive quality to strength, etc. Those go hand in hand with the disadvantages that come from being associated with violence. This goes beyond any over-arching definition of race and gets down to the nitty gritty of tribes and ethnicities. For an intra-race depiction:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxS-I-KZIMk

    Entire societies of the past were run by a martial class of people - sometimes it resulted in a good overall and sometimes bad.

    On the flip side, one can analyze the 'nerd' archetype which has its own advantages and disadvantages.

    Peace.
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  67. rw95 says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    The Alt-Right believes that the whites are innately–i.e., genetically–superior to all other races, that they have dominated the world through higher intelligence, and that their mastery is the result of Darwinian selection. Whites, they say, have a marvelous track record of achievement, and they don’t want to dilute it by intermarriage.

    Fred, this canard is getting old. Granted, there is no one definition of "alt-right" but, in general, alt-righters make no claim of white superiority. They simply want for whites what Jews want for Jews, to preserve their people and culture and to have a homeland.

    Why is this so hard for you to understand? Or is understanding this just not good for business?

    I call horseshit.
    All white nationalists/alt-righters are white supremacists, implicitly if not explicitly.

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    Its good to know that you know even more about the Alt-Right than Spencer himself and the number of posters here who identify with the Alt-Right openly.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    So are Jews Jewish supremacists?

    Are the Japanese Japanese supremacists?

    According to your logic, I must hate other people's children because I love my own. It seems the only person filled with hate around here is you.
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  68. @rw95
    I call horseshit.
    All white nationalists/alt-righters are white supremacists, implicitly if not explicitly.

    Its good to know that you know even more about the Alt-Right than Spencer himself and the number of posters here who identify with the Alt-Right openly.

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    You know when/if the alt-right gains power, you have to go back, right?
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  69. Talha says:
    @RaceRealist88
    It's a great episode. I haven't watched it in a while, but I believe, Linda Gottfredson is in the episode. Through the Wormhole is great show. There's also another one on if everyone is a "bigot".

    https://youtu.be/jmE990-eUiw

    He talks about an interesting study in the beginning. They tested men and women, both black and white, to see who they'd shoot at more often. Both races and sexes shot at blacks more.

    Hey RR88,

    He makes an interesting quote in that last video:
    “They’re getting the idea that Black male goes with violence.”

    Looking at it subjectively, this can be both good and bad. There are both advantages and disadvantages of being the subject of that assumption. For instance, advantages; people are less likely to mess with you, there is an attractive quality to strength, etc. Those go hand in hand with the disadvantages that come from being associated with violence. This goes beyond any over-arching definition of race and gets down to the nitty gritty of tribes and ethnicities. For an intra-race depiction:

    Entire societies of the past were run by a martial class of people – sometimes it resulted in a good overall and sometimes bad.

    On the flip side, one can analyze the ‘nerd’ archetype which has its own advantages and disadvantages.

    Peace.

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  70. @Discard
    1. We have no idea what the average IQ of any Asian group is. Those that come to America are not chosen randomly, and their homelands are not about to release their own IQ statistics, if they have them. China could have a billion retards and we'd never know it.

    2. Really smart Whites, who might have been great scientists, are more likely to go into law or finance, where the pay for a really capable man is many multiples of a professor at Caltech. Our incentives steer the brilliant away from science.
    Also, smart American kids are very likely to take liberal arts. The Ivy League is full of them. The liberal arts are our culture, not Asians', and it does not interest them much. And the Asians take science because their parents make them do it.
    Altogether, at this point, academic science is a poor proxy for a nation's overall intelligence.

    3. If smart White women don't start having more smart babies, our prospects will be poor. No female should go beyond the 8th grade. If a girl's sharp enough to go to law school, the greatest contribution she could likely make to her society would be to have six kids.

    Very good point. Same with Indians from India. If you have a very competitive system that selects only the very smartest of 1.25 billion people, and you only come into contact with those people, they will indeed seem like a super race.

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  71. DWright says:

    I don’t know my IQ score. Is this something I should get tested for and what will it get me?
    What about SAT, as we know that was everything to Bill Gates and who he either dated or interacted with.

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  72. Discard says:
    @Anon
    Except for Asians -- who are half the world.

    If Asians don’t envy and imitate us, why do they call it the People’s REPUBLIC of China? DEMOCRATIC Kampuchea? Why do Oriental girls get eye-rounding plastic surgery? Etc, etc, etc.

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    Discard,

    I don't know if you realize this, but those are the English names of the countries. You realized, that English is not the official language of those countries right? China in Chinese would be literally translated as "Middle Country/Kingdom".

    As for the round eyes trope, asians aren't trying to copy white eyes. It's just that big eyes are more attractive. Thinking like this is like saying white people get nose jobs to make small noses like asians.

    Interestingly, asians don't think of whites as "round eyes" or "big eyes" as most americans think. They are usually referred to in terms of their big noses and body odor. Asians have their own odor, but the white smell is very noticeable when in Asia.
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  73. Discard says:
    @JSM
    No female should go beyond the 8th grade. If a girl’s sharp enough to go to law school, the greatest contribution she could likely make to her society would be to have six kids.


    For which she should be compensated. Either money or status, or both. The *reason* women's lib got a hold on America is, those smart women of the 50s who birthed their 3 contributions to the loudest baby boom that ever boomed, well, after having those kids and the kids grew up, those smart women were *bored* and tired of being called "just a housewife."

    The answer? Having it All, but Not All At Once.

    Kids first, education and interesting careers / home businesses later.

    Fair enough. I benefitted from all those smart female teachers in my day. Most of them had kids.

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  74. Another excellent essay by Fred. It is rare to find lucidity, pithiness, logic and good writing in most printed outlets, Fred knocks it out of the park every time.

    It does seem a proportion of the force behind the alt-right and HBD movement is driven by fear, resentment and disdain for underclass blacks. Asians aren’t really considered as much as they are seen to be unmasculine worker bees with terrible English who simply aren’t a threat. The most recent widely admired Asians among the HBD crowd were probably Lee Khan Yew and Bruce Lee.

    The future American ruling faction may well be a white/Jewish/Chinese hybrid overachieving class peopled with the likes of the Zuckerberg and Derbyshire kids.

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    It does seem a proportion of the force behind the alt-right and HBD movement is driven by fear, resentment and disdain for underclass blacks.

    If you mean whites are growing ever weary of being blamed for black (all black, not just the underclass) disfunction, then, yes, that's true.

    If you mean that whites are growing ever more weary of being forced to live around blacks who cannot live by white standards, then, yes, that's true.

    If you mean that whites are growing ever more weary of being told that we should just shut up about group differences, then, yes, that's true.

    As for me, I don't hate blacks. Let them live the way that they choose to live. Whites will live the way that we choose to live. Just in different locations.

    I simply want to live around my own people. Let other groups live the way that they want. It doesn't impact me.

    I want for whites what Jews want for Jews: Preserve my own people and culture and a homeland. Whites should follow the Jewish model. Create your own enclaves within a society while pushing for a homeland.
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  75. Truth says:
    @RaceRealist88
    Seinfeld and Einstein are Ashkenazi jews.

    Askenazi JewISH. Big difference.

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  76. Truth says:
    @jay-w
    The really big divide amongst human beings is not "White northern Europeans vs. People of Color. " The really big intractable chasm lies between people of Eurasian ancestry and people of sub-Saharan African ancestry.

    Tell that to U.C recruiters.

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  77. rw95 says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Its good to know that you know even more about the Alt-Right than Spencer himself and the number of posters here who identify with the Alt-Right openly.

    You know when/if the alt-right gains power, you have to go back, right?

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    Sure.
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  78. jim jones says:

    The “Super Race” us the one that comes out the winner in conflicts and that means Europeans

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    From what I read on this site everyday, you're in a conflict with your Broads right now; and y'aint winnin'.
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  79. @rw95
    You know when/if the alt-right gains power, you have to go back, right?

    Sure.

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    I've noticed, once you get past that hurdle - you're able to view the situation in a much more holistic and objective way. Dropping the conflict of interest can be quite liberating.

    Peace.
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  80. @rw95
    I call horseshit.
    All white nationalists/alt-righters are white supremacists, implicitly if not explicitly.

    So are Jews Jewish supremacists?

    Are the Japanese Japanese supremacists?

    According to your logic, I must hate other people’s children because I love my own. It seems the only person filled with hate around here is you.

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    Most jews are jewish supremacists BUT they are too clever/ astute to deny it to the stupid goy and to sacrament it as a original sin to the late, and indeed...

    Suprema-cists are usually essential dumbs.

    The great difference between a jewish mindset and a goy mindset. Jews can believe, at conscious way, two contradictory ideas,

    to the goy
    and
    to the themselves

    generally, to the goy, they lies
    to themselves they say supremacists tantrum

    not exactly the true, but monstruously correct...

    Goy, generally when believe in two contradictory ideas this tend to be a sign of cognitive dissonance, when it happen with jews, often, this is a sign of astuteness.

    No there nothing more supremacist than a talmud chapter, ;)

    , @rw95
    "Are Jews Jewish supremacists?"

    According to the alt-right, yes they are. That's all they ever talk about, in fact.

    "Are the Japanese Japanese supremacists?"

    I'd say that's up for debate.

    "According to your logic, I must hate other people’s children because I love my own."

    Buddy, cut the crap. 100% of white nationalists are united by a hatred of blacks, followed closely by a hatred of Jews. What's stopping you from moving to lily-white New England, or the Midwest? I'm always hearing about how Russia and big Daddy Putin are going to save the white race by making Russia a new homeland for white people? Why don't you get ahead of the curve and get there first?
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  81. Truth says:
    @jim jones
    The "Super Race" us the one that comes out the winner in conflicts and that means Europeans

    From what I read on this site everyday, you’re in a conflict with your Broads right now; and y’aint winnin’.

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  82. @Ali Choudhury
    Another excellent essay by Fred. It is rare to find lucidity, pithiness, logic and good writing in most printed outlets, Fred knocks it out of the park every time.

    It does seem a proportion of the force behind the alt-right and HBD movement is driven by fear, resentment and disdain for underclass blacks. Asians aren't really considered as much as they are seen to be unmasculine worker bees with terrible English who simply aren't a threat. The most recent widely admired Asians among the HBD crowd were probably Lee Khan Yew and Bruce Lee.

    The future American ruling faction may well be a white/Jewish/Chinese hybrid overachieving class peopled with the likes of the Zuckerberg and Derbyshire kids.

    It does seem a proportion of the force behind the alt-right and HBD movement is driven by fear, resentment and disdain for underclass blacks.

    If you mean whites are growing ever weary of being blamed for black (all black, not just the underclass) disfunction, then, yes, that’s true.

    If you mean that whites are growing ever more weary of being forced to live around blacks who cannot live by white standards, then, yes, that’s true.

    If you mean that whites are growing ever more weary of being told that we should just shut up about group differences, then, yes, that’s true.

    As for me, I don’t hate blacks. Let them live the way that they choose to live. Whites will live the way that we choose to live. Just in different locations.

    I simply want to live around my own people. Let other groups live the way that they want. It doesn’t impact me.

    I want for whites what Jews want for Jews: Preserve my own people and culture and a homeland. Whites should follow the Jewish model. Create your own enclaves within a society while pushing for a homeland.

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    Wouldn't it be simpler to just move to a highly white state near the Canadian border?
    , @Corvinus
    "If you mean whites are growing ever weary of being blamed for black (all black, not just the underclass) disfunction, then, yes, that’s true."

    Some whites, sure.

    "If you mean that whites are growing ever more weary of being forced to live around blacks who cannot live by white standards, then, yes, that’s true."

    They aren't "white standards". They are human standards. And there is no "force" involved here.

    "If you mean that whites are growing ever more weary of being told that we should just shut up about group differences, then, yes, that’s true."

    Some group differences are absolutely accurate. Others, not so much.

    "As for me, I don’t hate blacks. Let them live the way that they choose to live. Whites will live the way that we choose to live. Just in different locations."

    Except there are white people who do want to live, and marry, and have children, with non-whites. Is it not within their liberty to live anywhere they choose? Besides, there are white neighborhoods and white towns to live in. Feel free to move there.

    "I simply want to live around my own people."

    Go ahead, no one is stopping you!

    "Let other groups live the way that they want. It doesn’t impact me."

    Except when you lament that "bad whites" are making life miserable for "good whites" such as yourself.

    I want for whites what Jews want for Jews: Preserve my own people and culture and a homeland. Whites should follow the Jewish model. Create your own enclaves within a society while pushing for a homeland.

    , @Gene Su
    I didn't get a chance to read all the comments as well as I wanted to, but I have 3 questions for every alt-righter on this blog.

    1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.

    2. Why is it that the alt-right is still on the fringes? Why is it more people don't agree with its views? I've already answered this on previous blogs and will only repeat my views here if some flamer provokes me.

    3. Why is it that the alt-right can't enter the ranks of the elite? The elite is loaded with leftist SJW's. Why are there no alt-righters among the elite? Why can't they have an influence on policy? Even though Jeff Sessions shares some views with the alt-right, I can't imagine him (and this is from distant observation) doing some of the things that, say, Jared Taylor or Richard Spencer might do if they were elected to high office.

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  83. songbird says:

    Fred Reed continues to mock and villainize people who just want freedom.

    He does this because it is clearly impossible to make a case that the mass movement of non-whites into white territory is good for whites or for freedom.

    Oh, Fred, do tell, when will affirmitive action expire? Never anywhere it has been tried.

    Oh, Fred, do tell, when will an increasing mass of nonwhites reject the easy notion of blaming whites and using their growing political power for mass theft from whites and redistribution to themselves? Never. The theft is growing.

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  84. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    So are Jews Jewish supremacists?

    Are the Japanese Japanese supremacists?

    According to your logic, I must hate other people's children because I love my own. It seems the only person filled with hate around here is you.

    Most jews are jewish supremacists BUT they are too clever/ astute to deny it to the stupid goy and to sacrament it as a original sin to the late, and indeed…

    Suprema-cists are usually essential dumbs.

    The great difference between a jewish mindset and a goy mindset. Jews can believe, at conscious way, two contradictory ideas,

    to the goy
    and
    to the themselves

    generally, to the goy, they lies
    to themselves they say supremacists tantrum

    not exactly the true, but monstruously correct…

    Goy, generally when believe in two contradictory ideas this tend to be a sign of cognitive dissonance, when it happen with jews, often, this is a sign of astuteness.

    No there nothing more supremacist than a talmud chapter, ;)

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    Actually, most Jews don't openly lie; they're just openly hypocritical. No cognitive dissouance.

    Jews almost never argue that Israel should be multi-racial/multi-religious. They're very open about their desire to maintain a Jewish homeland. Also, American Jews are generally pretty open about wanting to maintain the Jewish people around the world, which is why they have camps for Jewish children, Jewish schools, Jewish organizations, Jewish lobbies, etc.

    Jews then promote multi-everything to everyone else.

    Jews are not holding two opposing ideas in their head. Promoting Jewish solidarity is good for the Jews. Promoting multi-everything for everyone else is good for the Jews. Everything fits.

    What's amazing is how stupid whites are about all of this. We should just laugh it off and tell them to go to hell. Instead, we cower, terrified of being called a racist. But that may be changing. I see little (and occassionally big) signs more and more.

    Some (most?) whites may never get on board white identity. That's fine. They'll disappear in the multi-culti morass. But those whites that remain will be a hell of a people.
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  85. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Sure.

    I’ve noticed, once you get past that hurdle – you’re able to view the situation in a much more holistic and objective way. Dropping the conflict of interest can be quite liberating.

    Peace.

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  86. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    It does seem a proportion of the force behind the alt-right and HBD movement is driven by fear, resentment and disdain for underclass blacks.

    If you mean whites are growing ever weary of being blamed for black (all black, not just the underclass) disfunction, then, yes, that's true.

    If you mean that whites are growing ever more weary of being forced to live around blacks who cannot live by white standards, then, yes, that's true.

    If you mean that whites are growing ever more weary of being told that we should just shut up about group differences, then, yes, that's true.

    As for me, I don't hate blacks. Let them live the way that they choose to live. Whites will live the way that we choose to live. Just in different locations.

    I simply want to live around my own people. Let other groups live the way that they want. It doesn't impact me.

    I want for whites what Jews want for Jews: Preserve my own people and culture and a homeland. Whites should follow the Jewish model. Create your own enclaves within a society while pushing for a homeland.

    Wouldn’t it be simpler to just move to a highly white state near the Canadian border?

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    Freedom of association isn't legal, otherwise I think most of the alt-right would be glad to do something like that.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    You might as well tell a German living near the Polish border to move to Berlin to avoid the Red Army.

    They're coming sooner or later.

    Whites have been on top for so long that they don't remember what it's like to fight for their place in the sun. Many never will. Hopefully, a decent-sized minority will look around and say, "Hey, I like my people and want them to survive."

    Why is that such a terrible thing to you? Do you not have the same love for you own people?
    , @Truth
    That's right Sports, don't be wimps, Mom will knit you some mittens to protect your sensitive widu fingers
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  87. Boris N says:

    Have nobody considered that this is because only the brightest are coming in? If you’ve soaked in two millions of the brightest Chinese brains out of a billion, no wonder they would be overrepresented, because you have no simply Asians, but the best of the best Asians.

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  88. @Santoculto
    Most jews are jewish supremacists BUT they are too clever/ astute to deny it to the stupid goy and to sacrament it as a original sin to the late, and indeed...

    Suprema-cists are usually essential dumbs.

    The great difference between a jewish mindset and a goy mindset. Jews can believe, at conscious way, two contradictory ideas,

    to the goy
    and
    to the themselves

    generally, to the goy, they lies
    to themselves they say supremacists tantrum

    not exactly the true, but monstruously correct...

    Goy, generally when believe in two contradictory ideas this tend to be a sign of cognitive dissonance, when it happen with jews, often, this is a sign of astuteness.

    No there nothing more supremacist than a talmud chapter, ;)

    Actually, most Jews don’t openly lie; they’re just openly hypocritical. No cognitive dissouance.

    Jews almost never argue that Israel should be multi-racial/multi-religious. They’re very open about their desire to maintain a Jewish homeland. Also, American Jews are generally pretty open about wanting to maintain the Jewish people around the world, which is why they have camps for Jewish children, Jewish schools, Jewish organizations, Jewish lobbies, etc.

    Jews then promote multi-everything to everyone else.

    Jews are not holding two opposing ideas in their head. Promoting Jewish solidarity is good for the Jews. Promoting multi-everything for everyone else is good for the Jews. Everything fits.

    What’s amazing is how stupid whites are about all of this. We should just laugh it off and tell them to go to hell. Instead, we cower, terrified of being called a racist. But that may be changing. I see little (and occassionally big) signs more and more.

    Some (most?) whites may never get on board white identity. That’s fine. They’ll disappear in the multi-culti morass. But those whites that remain will be a hell of a people.

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  89. @Ali Choudhury
    Wouldn't it be simpler to just move to a highly white state near the Canadian border?

    Freedom of association isn’t legal, otherwise I think most of the alt-right would be glad to do something like that.

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    "Freedom of association isn't legal..."
    What?
    Last I checked, freedom of association was in the Constitution.
    You must be a self-hating Asian man. The alt-right wants you gone, by any means necessary.
    , @Truth
    Why isn't it?

    Nobody is telling you where you can and cannot live; it's just that you don't get to tell anyone else where he can and cannot live.
    , @KenH

    Freedom of association isn’t legal,
     
    Not for whites, but it's legal for every non-white racial group. America now has a tiered system. One standard for whites which prohibits and proscribes overt association with fellow whites and another for non-whites that encourages tribalism and association with each other.
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  90. Sean says:

    China rises with astonishing speed.

    Economies of scale.

    (A skeptic might note that the phenomenal achievement of the Asians belonged until recently to Jews,

    Yes, the Chinese need to be given credit for their big country which is finally getting of the launch pad and of on an apparent lunar trajectory, and the Jews need to be given credit for individual achievements in the West in science business and culture ( and culture of critique). The matter cannot be decided by whether Chinese or Jews have surpassing individual attainment, because Chinese are best assessed as integrally in their greatest achievement, which is collective: the country called China.

    There is more than IQ to achievement, look at Trump. A nation of Trumps would destroy itself as surely as an army of Audie Murphys, or Einsteins. Famous Jewish comedians are common, where are the Chinese ones? If you were on trial for your life and got the best attorney money could buy you’d probably have a Jewish lawyer.

    It seems to me that the Alt-Right-HBD folk, believing in the evolutionary principle of survival of the fittest, in the genetic and therefore immutable nature of intelligence, and that IQ is an accurate measure of intelligence and therefore of Darwinian fitness, must conclude that we whites, to better the species, should stop breeding and allow the more advanced species to supplant us. I await their acclamation for presenting this prescient and admirable case.

    A scary argument to make. If any people could be called a master race it is the one that Hitler talked about as the culture bearing one: the Indo Europeans. We now know that the IE (the Yamnaya) were in fact not only the cultural founders of Europe but the DNA ancestors of all Europeans, mainly because they exterminated the original people of north Europe. That is to say survival of the fittest in this context means the inferior don’t decide to stop breeding, they get stopped.

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  91. gustafus says:

    Fred lives in Mexico… boinks a Mesican… and probably has Mesican kids…. so WHY would I want to hear from him…????

    Fred…. we know you like greasers…. okay, we get it

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  92. rw95 says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Freedom of association isn't legal, otherwise I think most of the alt-right would be glad to do something like that.

    “Freedom of association isn’t legal…”
    What?
    Last I checked, freedom of association was in the Constitution.
    You must be a self-hating Asian man. The alt-right wants you gone, by any means necessary.

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    Restrictive covenants are illegal, as are most forms of discrimination. How can one be discriminating when it's incriminating?
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Negrolphin Pool has answered better than I can, but its pretty obvious that freedom of association isn't legal. Its easily one of the most senseless things as it forces people to associate with those they would prefer not to, and undermines a number of synergies that come from having a common group.

    As for the rest of your ramble, I can view things in other ways than self-interest. Yes, I'm aware that most of them would rather if I was gone. This doesn't mean that they don't have a point.
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  93. @Ali Choudhury
    Wouldn't it be simpler to just move to a highly white state near the Canadian border?

    You might as well tell a German living near the Polish border to move to Berlin to avoid the Red Army.

    They’re coming sooner or later.

    Whites have been on top for so long that they don’t remember what it’s like to fight for their place in the sun. Many never will. Hopefully, a decent-sized minority will look around and say, “Hey, I like my people and want them to survive.”

    Why is that such a terrible thing to you? Do you not have the same love for you own people?

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    Well, I am not opposed to you or anyone else pushing for a white homeland if that's what you want.

    Personally I work with people from a range of nationalities (Russians, South Africans, Indians, Americans, most major European countries etc.). and enjoy it. As long as the violent, angry and unemployable criminal underclasses are kept well away, being in proximity to a diversity of people from a range of countries is more interesting and let's you learn a lot about the world.
    , @Truth
    ....Not necessarily in your lifetime.
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  94. rw95 says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    So are Jews Jewish supremacists?

    Are the Japanese Japanese supremacists?

    According to your logic, I must hate other people's children because I love my own. It seems the only person filled with hate around here is you.

    “Are Jews Jewish supremacists?”

    According to the alt-right, yes they are. That’s all they ever talk about, in fact.

    “Are the Japanese Japanese supremacists?”

    I’d say that’s up for debate.

    “According to your logic, I must hate other people’s children because I love my own.”

    Buddy, cut the crap. 100% of white nationalists are united by a hatred of blacks, followed closely by a hatred of Jews. What’s stopping you from moving to lily-white New England, or the Midwest? I’m always hearing about how Russia and big Daddy Putin are going to save the white race by making Russia a new homeland for white people? Why don’t you get ahead of the curve and get there first?

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    You failed to answer my first question.

    Here's another: Should whites be allowed to act like Jews and other groups who lobby for their own people and seek to preserve their people and culture?

    Do you believe that Israel should be allowed to remain a Jewish state?

    Regarding Jews and the Alt-right, you are correct. We never shut about them because we recognize the hypocrisy and respect their willingness to fight for their own. I simply want whites to act like Jews. I certainly don't hate them. I use them as a model.

    Perhaps this is all just a definition thing. If you prefer to use the phrase white nationalist or white identity to describe people like me instead of Alt-Right, go ahead. But I'm telling you in all honesty, my philosophy isn't based on hate. I just want white to have the right be with their own if they choose. That's it. It really is about love of my own people, not hatred for others. Not sure why you can't accept that.
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  95. pyrrhus says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Noticing differences isn't the same thing as asserting superiority in all realms, though. I'm fairly certain that Asians have a general lack of curiousity - including myself. I credit my largely conservative views for a personal fondness for stability over innovation as well.

    This implies that our accomplishments will be more notable if in fact, all of the low-hanging fruit of science has been picked and there isn't as much innovation left in the world. If the opposite is true, I'm fairly sure that we will continue to lag behind in many metrics.

    I feel that Mr. Reed's understanding of HBD's adherents is limited. I can acknowledge the hereditary advantage of Keynan long-distance runners over mine without necessarily classifying them as a super-race in all aspects of life.

    Asians are much more obedient to authority and less willing to question authority, after millennia of Confucian exams as a means of promotion, and a society which punished even minor transgressions with death.
    Fred has also confuted European IQs.. Northwestern Europe, where most of the Nobels come from, has an average IQ of 106…See Sailer’s current article on Demark draftees…..Whereas southern Europe is much lower in IQ….North Asians are also about 106.
    The proof is in the pudding. Almost all of the major innovations of the last 1000 years have come out of Northern Europe (I include northern Italy). The best software continues to be written by the same folks, along with a number of Asians.

    As to the Ivy recruitment packages being sent to top National Merit people, that didn’t happen in our area, or anywhere IMO. I had one of the highest scores in the nation, and eventually did get accepted at Harvard, but I got zero recruitment from anyone except local alums.

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    Northern Europe averages about 100. All of Europe put together is in the mid-90s.
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  96. rw95 says:
    @pyrrhus
    Asians are much more obedient to authority and less willing to question authority, after millennia of Confucian exams as a means of promotion, and a society which punished even minor transgressions with death.
    Fred has also confuted European IQs.. Northwestern Europe, where most of the Nobels come from, has an average IQ of 106...See Sailer's current article on Demark draftees.....Whereas southern Europe is much lower in IQ....North Asians are also about 106.
    The proof is in the pudding. Almost all of the major innovations of the last 1000 years have come out of Northern Europe (I include northern Italy). The best software continues to be written by the same folks, along with a number of Asians.

    As to the Ivy recruitment packages being sent to top National Merit people, that didn't happen in our area, or anywhere IMO. I had one of the highest scores in the nation, and eventually did get accepted at Harvard, but I got zero recruitment from anyone except local alums.

    Northern Europe averages about 100. All of Europe put together is in the mid-90s.

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  97. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    You might as well tell a German living near the Polish border to move to Berlin to avoid the Red Army.

    They're coming sooner or later.

    Whites have been on top for so long that they don't remember what it's like to fight for their place in the sun. Many never will. Hopefully, a decent-sized minority will look around and say, "Hey, I like my people and want them to survive."

    Why is that such a terrible thing to you? Do you not have the same love for you own people?

    Well, I am not opposed to you or anyone else pushing for a white homeland if that’s what you want.

    Personally I work with people from a range of nationalities (Russians, South Africans, Indians, Americans, most major European countries etc.). and enjoy it. As long as the violent, angry and unemployable criminal underclasses are kept well away, being in proximity to a diversity of people from a range of countries is more interesting and let’s you learn a lot about the world.

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    Personally I work with people from a range of nationalities (Russians, South Africans, Indians, Americans, most major European countries etc.). and enjoy it... being in proximity to a diversity of people from a range of countries is more interesting and let’s you learn a lot about the world.

    That is good for one generation or so, then either one group comes to dominate; or 'all the colors bleed into one', and so much for diversity.

    "You might be interested in diversity, but diversity is not interested in you."

    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    As long as the violent, angry and unemployable criminal underclasses are kept well away, being in proximity to a diversity of people from a range of countries is more interesting and let’s you learn a lot about the world.


    Kind of says it all about globalist types like yourself. The short-sightedness of your worldview is stunning, especially considering that you're almost certainly a very bright person.

    Give the Jews credit. They don't buy your globalist worldview for themselves, just for others.
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  98. @Anon
    Is there a superior race? What would be the best way to assess such being?

    One possibility: the women decide, at least in our open and libertine world of free movement and choices.

    Before anything is possible, race must exist. Without existence, one is nothing. So, existence is the foundation of superiority because 'something' is superior to 'nothing', or what exists have superiority over what doesn't.
    Everything exists because it came into being. It didn't always exist. So, if conditions favor the coming-into-being or the birthing of something, then it has superiority or priority over what failed to come into being.

    So, race and racial identity depend largely on whom women choose to have babies with. That decides which men will spread most of their seeds and genes. Men who are not accepted by women cannot spread their seeds and genes. Deemed inferior as mates, their genetic codes will not pass down.

    At the basic animal-sexual level, what are women most attracted to? Muscle, height, penis size, and musicality.
    On this basic animalist basis, globalist formula is as follows: black men > white men > yellow men.

    And stats bear this out, even though some white guys are in denial because they feel ashamed to admit sexual defeat. In the past, women had far less freedom and were sexually restrained.
    So, there was less animalist factor in sexual behavior. Things were more moral and restrictive. Women had to maintain their reputation as 'good women'.
    Also, most women found one man and married him and had sex only with him. That was part of being a 'good ho' than a 'bad ho'.
    Also, as men had most of the jobs, women relied on men for support.
    Today, women are employed more extensively than men, and they can support themselves. Some choose to marry, but many just spend money on self-pleasure, and that means having loose sex with lots of men. Some become single-mothers with men who don't hang around.
    There was a time when candid talk of sex was deemed uncouth and vulgar among women. Today, young girls are raised on GIRLS(Dunham), SEX AND CITY, VAGINA MONOLOGUE, porny music videos(of Miley Cyrus), and lewd standup comedy. Women now openly talk about female genitalia, male genitalia, and even bungholes. And women brag about their 'conquests' like men do.

    Today, women are free to choose, allowed to be sexually uninhibited, and to have sex with lotsa men. In the past, Italian-American fathers would have thought it an infamia for their girls to act like hookers. But today, men of all races raise their girls to turn to sex at early age and go to springbreak and have orgy-porgies. Indeed, any father who says such thing is wrong and that he didn't raise his girl to be an offering to Mammon is seen as 'patriarchal' and Corleonic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA_WYpQEeJg

    So, animal drives come into play, and women are most turned on by height, muscle, musicality, and dong.
    So, from an animal-instinct viewpoint, black men are superior to white men who are superior to Asian men because women deem black men more manly than white men and deem white men more manly than Asian men.
    And, we have more and more white women(raised on rap music, black dominated sports from high school to pros, interracial porn, etc) going black and using their wombs to create babies for black men.
    And we have near-majority of Asian women in America rejecting Asian men as inferior and choosing to have 'white kids' with white men(or with other men). So, women decide which race is superior in our libertine globalized world. Everything else is academic.

    In many cases, Asian women prefer to have kids with white men, or even with black men who don't stick around than with Asian men who are willing to stick around. Asian women would rather be a single mother with children of 'superior man' than a married woman stuck with an inferior man who is 'nice'.

    Black men colonize white wombs, brown wombs, and yellow wombs. Plenty of white women are now single mothers with black babies. With millions of Africans arriving in EU, you can guess what the result will be. Massive Afro-colonization of white wombs. Black males whupping and 'pussifying' white males, rap music culture, interracial propaganda, 'anti-racism', cuckery as virtue for white males, promotion of blacks in education, homo-izing white men(even straight ones), and etc will all lead to massive colonization of white wombs by black men who are seen as superior by white women at the base-animal-level. Sexuality is animal drive, not an intellectual drive. It's like, if there is a nice decent homely smart girl with modest body and a dumbass nasty bimbo with big boobs and bouncy booty, many guys(even smart educated ones) will go with the latter. His moral sense may say the nice homely smart girl is superior, but his animal drive says the bodacious bimbo ho is the superior mate. It's like that Leonard Cohen song about how his woman got seduced away by some 'gypsy thief'.

    https://youtu.be/kkSERbdl39Q?t=2m6s

    In past societies where all people were within local & closed societies, the women only knew local men and didn't see them as inferior or superior. They were the only men they knew. But, modern women in globalized world compare their men with other men around the world(seen in movies, TV, sports, music, etc), and they may feel that their own men are 'losers'.
    Today, white, Mexican, Muslim, Jewish, and Asian boys are so desperate to be 'cool' that some imitate blacks or hang around blacks to prove they got 'street credit'. Blacks laugh at such 'puss-ass' behavior, but globo-boys pursue their transracial fantasy. Look at Shaun King. Maybe he is part black or maybe not, but he wants to be black than white cuz he sees blackness as 'cool', whiteness as 'lame'.
    A black guy doesn't have to associate himself with white, asian, or mexican to be 'badass', but globo-boys or globoys feel a need to git down and hang loose to be cool.

    Race is a sexual product. A white person is the product of white woman choosing to have kid with white man. If she prefers black man, then she will produce a black baby from her white womb that will be colonized by black sperm.
    If you are white, You are white because your white mother chose a white man. But if she'd gone black, her white womb would have spawned a black kid. Even white women who do marry white and have white kids believe there would have been nothing wrong if they'd chosen to have black kids. They have no sense of racial loyalty. So, your white mother feels she could have gone black and that would have been just fine.
    White women having black babies are increasing because whites worship blacks in sports, music, and sex. Whites admire black race as the superior race when it comes to sex, and THAT is crucial because all life is created by sex, or one's father humping one's mother.
    And since Asian men are seen as inferior, Asian women reject them and use their yellow wombs to create 'white'babies for white men. If Amy Chua's mama had grown up in the US, she would have likely gone with some Jewish or white guy too.

    So, which is the superior race? Before all else, a person of certain race must exist in the first place, and that means he must be born. And that means some guy has to fuck some woman. Existence trumps all and is the foundation of superiority.

    Indeed, existence is the first foundation of superiority. No matter how much a man claims to be superior, if a woman rejects him and chooses another man to have kids with, the OTHER man's sperm will have superiority. (For example, based on IQ scores, it can be claimed that Asian men are superior to all races except Jews/whites. After all, East Asian IQ is higher than that of blacks. But being sexually inferior in a world where Asian women now have free sexual choice, the claim of East Asian racial superiority based on geek IQ becomes irrelevant since women want non-Asian men to impregnate them.
    Asian men may be superior geeks, but women with 'liberated' and 'sexually-revolutionized' animal drives prefer studs, not duds. So, even as Asian geeks may be superior in science and math, they fail at the fundamental level of reproduction. They can multiply numbers but can't multiply genes through reproduction. Biologically, they are all about subtraction of their genes that women don't want.

    In the end, the men who spread most sperm is the superior from evolutionary vantage point. And current social setup of female choice and libertine sexuality favors black men over white men and white men over Asian men. Because Asian men are seen as dorks, they must make lots of money to attract women, and some Asian boys work hard to make money.

    All people are born through women. So, in a free and animalized society, superiority is judged by the raw sexual drives and sexual choices of women. Women watch stuff like SEX AND THE CITY where women are explicit about what they want in bed. Though it's not racially spelled out, it means the Modern Globalized women will admire the Joe Bucks of the world most since Pop Culture tropes go that way. Some may blame Liberal Hollywood for such stereotypes, but most stereotypes have some basis in fact.

    As the entire world becomes globalized by increased travel, internet, and mass immigration and emigration, men and women around the world are discovering they have divergent sexual values. Black men have higher value than black women, and Asian women have higher value than Asian men. And winners want to be with winners.

    White men will increasingly lose to black men(who are arriving by the millions to Europe to white women addicted to rap culture and jungle fever) and Asian men will lose to white and black men because Asian women, once given a globalist choice, prefer non-Asian men as superior to inferior Asian men who are seen as dorks. Globalism offers more freedom and choice to everyone but confers differs desirability to each group and each person. So, sexual freedom for blacks means that both black men and black women can hump anyone. But whereas black men are wanted by many, black women aren't wanted by many. Sex is different consumerism. Anyone with money can buy anything. But with sex, the other side has to agree. Any black woman with money can buy any TV. But is she wants some man, he has to say yes. And most men don't say yes to Thelma Jackson who be saying, "I's wants my man."

    For most of human history, women didn't have a choice. Also, they were expected to be faithful to one man for entire life. Even most men didn't have choice since many marriages were arranged by parents. Also, prior to imperialism and globalism, most races lived in separation from others.
    But now, at least in modern parts of the world, women get to choose the men. And they have a wide choice from all races since all societies are getting filled with diversity.

    And we see more and more white women not getting married and just having lots of loose sex. In colleges, many white girls got jungle fever for black athletes(who are worshiped as heroes by cucky white boys). Indeed, college coaches and recruiters attract black athletes with the lure of jungle-fever-mad white girls.

    All this globalism is done in the name of equality and 'anti-racism', but the result is totally about sexual inequality among races and the racial-sexual superiority of some men over others.

    So, what is the superior race? In today's globalized world where women have the freedom the choose, racial superiority is determined by whose seeds women choose to take. Each year, black seeds impregnates not only black wombs but white and yellow wombs. White men lose out to black men but spread their seeds to yellow wombs. So, by women's sexual choice, Asian males become most inferior race. Asian dorks may win math prizes, but their test papers don't create new life. They can only create new life through women.

    Now, we can be PC and say all races are equal or 'race is just a social construct', but the fact is women NOTICE race. And they choose based on race. And that means race is, above all, a sexual product.

    No welfare or NOWAG, choose one.

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  99. wtf says:

    Fred, are you an imbecile? Who invented the script – numbers, used by whites? Arabs. That’s just one thing. There are thousands of others. Who invented military strategy? Who invented domesticating horses? Who invented irrigation for farming? Try writing with ONLY the letterS and words invented by white people. Good luck with your education.

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  100. @Sunbeam
    Do you really feel you know the history of Chinese thought, what was going on there from about 4000 BC say to feel comfortable with that statement?

    Anytime I've looked, I've found names I've never heard of, ideas I'd never heard. Christ inventions and technologies I had no idea were done that early.

    And there is a lot of it. Pulling the string on that area just leads to more strings.

    Heck to this day I occasionally see a Greek referenced I'd never heard of before, and feel compelled to do the google/wiki thing.

    And you are talking about China? The place (with a wildly fluctuating map though), and probably about 10 times Greece's highest populations at times of utter nadir?

    You know reading my own text, I think people may think I am obsessed with China, forgetting there are other areas and groups in Asia. Thing is though, China is like Godzilla. There are just far more Chinese than there ever have been other groups, and it was their hand that stirred the waters.

    I'm not going to argue with you about your claim concerning the Greek period. But I'm not so sure you know Chinese history well enough to make a strong claim. I sure don't, but I know there is an assload of stuff that was going on there that is unknown or obscure but to specialists in the West.

    But do you need to be a scholar of Chinese history to judge its influence? We know where the vast majority of crucial technological, scientific and philosophic breakthroughs originated, and it wasn’t from guys with names that sound like ricocheting gunshots.

    It seems your argument necessarily suggests that it might be possible that Western thought could somehow be unaware of its own roots. If a breakthrough of note was authored by a Chinaman, then we would know his name. If we don’t, then it was inconsequential.

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  101. Old fogey says:
    @Anon
    Is there a superior race? What would be the best way to assess such being?

    One possibility: the women decide, at least in our open and libertine world of free movement and choices.

    Before anything is possible, race must exist. Without existence, one is nothing. So, existence is the foundation of superiority because 'something' is superior to 'nothing', or what exists have superiority over what doesn't.
    Everything exists because it came into being. It didn't always exist. So, if conditions favor the coming-into-being or the birthing of something, then it has superiority or priority over what failed to come into being.

    So, race and racial identity depend largely on whom women choose to have babies with. That decides which men will spread most of their seeds and genes. Men who are not accepted by women cannot spread their seeds and genes. Deemed inferior as mates, their genetic codes will not pass down.

    At the basic animal-sexual level, what are women most attracted to? Muscle, height, penis size, and musicality.
    On this basic animalist basis, globalist formula is as follows: black men > white men > yellow men.

    And stats bear this out, even though some white guys are in denial because they feel ashamed to admit sexual defeat. In the past, women had far less freedom and were sexually restrained.
    So, there was less animalist factor in sexual behavior. Things were more moral and restrictive. Women had to maintain their reputation as 'good women'.
    Also, most women found one man and married him and had sex only with him. That was part of being a 'good ho' than a 'bad ho'.
    Also, as men had most of the jobs, women relied on men for support.
    Today, women are employed more extensively than men, and they can support themselves. Some choose to marry, but many just spend money on self-pleasure, and that means having loose sex with lots of men. Some become single-mothers with men who don't hang around.
    There was a time when candid talk of sex was deemed uncouth and vulgar among women. Today, young girls are raised on GIRLS(Dunham), SEX AND CITY, VAGINA MONOLOGUE, porny music videos(of Miley Cyrus), and lewd standup comedy. Women now openly talk about female genitalia, male genitalia, and even bungholes. And women brag about their 'conquests' like men do.

    Today, women are free to choose, allowed to be sexually uninhibited, and to have sex with lotsa men. In the past, Italian-American fathers would have thought it an infamia for their girls to act like hookers. But today, men of all races raise their girls to turn to sex at early age and go to springbreak and have orgy-porgies. Indeed, any father who says such thing is wrong and that he didn't raise his girl to be an offering to Mammon is seen as 'patriarchal' and Corleonic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA_WYpQEeJg

    So, animal drives come into play, and women are most turned on by height, muscle, musicality, and dong.
    So, from an animal-instinct viewpoint, black men are superior to white men who are superior to Asian men because women deem black men more manly than white men and deem white men more manly than Asian men.
    And, we have more and more white women(raised on rap music, black dominated sports from high school to pros, interracial porn, etc) going black and using their wombs to create babies for black men.
    And we have near-majority of Asian women in America rejecting Asian men as inferior and choosing to have 'white kids' with white men(or with other men). So, women decide which race is superior in our libertine globalized world. Everything else is academic.

    In many cases, Asian women prefer to have kids with white men, or even with black men who don't stick around than with Asian men who are willing to stick around. Asian women would rather be a single mother with children of 'superior man' than a married woman stuck with an inferior man who is 'nice'.

    Black men colonize white wombs, brown wombs, and yellow wombs. Plenty of white women are now single mothers with black babies. With millions of Africans arriving in EU, you can guess what the result will be. Massive Afro-colonization of white wombs. Black males whupping and 'pussifying' white males, rap music culture, interracial propaganda, 'anti-racism', cuckery as virtue for white males, promotion of blacks in education, homo-izing white men(even straight ones), and etc will all lead to massive colonization of white wombs by black men who are seen as superior by white women at the base-animal-level. Sexuality is animal drive, not an intellectual drive. It's like, if there is a nice decent homely smart girl with modest body and a dumbass nasty bimbo with big boobs and bouncy booty, many guys(even smart educated ones) will go with the latter. His moral sense may say the nice homely smart girl is superior, but his animal drive says the bodacious bimbo ho is the superior mate. It's like that Leonard Cohen song about how his woman got seduced away by some 'gypsy thief'.

    https://youtu.be/kkSERbdl39Q?t=2m6s

    In past societies where all people were within local & closed societies, the women only knew local men and didn't see them as inferior or superior. They were the only men they knew. But, modern women in globalized world compare their men with other men around the world(seen in movies, TV, sports, music, etc), and they may feel that their own men are 'losers'.
    Today, white, Mexican, Muslim, Jewish, and Asian boys are so desperate to be 'cool' that some imitate blacks or hang around blacks to prove they got 'street credit'. Blacks laugh at such 'puss-ass' behavior, but globo-boys pursue their transracial fantasy. Look at Shaun King. Maybe he is part black or maybe not, but he wants to be black than white cuz he sees blackness as 'cool', whiteness as 'lame'.
    A black guy doesn't have to associate himself with white, asian, or mexican to be 'badass', but globo-boys or globoys feel a need to git down and hang loose to be cool.

    Race is a sexual product. A white person is the product of white woman choosing to have kid with white man. If she prefers black man, then she will produce a black baby from her white womb that will be colonized by black sperm.
    If you are white, You are white because your white mother chose a white man. But if she'd gone black, her white womb would have spawned a black kid. Even white women who do marry white and have white kids believe there would have been nothing wrong if they'd chosen to have black kids. They have no sense of racial loyalty. So, your white mother feels she could have gone black and that would have been just fine.
    White women having black babies are increasing because whites worship blacks in sports, music, and sex. Whites admire black race as the superior race when it comes to sex, and THAT is crucial because all life is created by sex, or one's father humping one's mother.
    And since Asian men are seen as inferior, Asian women reject them and use their yellow wombs to create 'white'babies for white men. If Amy Chua's mama had grown up in the US, she would have likely gone with some Jewish or white guy too.

    So, which is the superior race? Before all else, a person of certain race must exist in the first place, and that means he must be born. And that means some guy has to fuck some woman. Existence trumps all and is the foundation of superiority.

    Indeed, existence is the first foundation of superiority. No matter how much a man claims to be superior, if a woman rejects him and chooses another man to have kids with, the OTHER man's sperm will have superiority. (For example, based on IQ scores, it can be claimed that Asian men are superior to all races except Jews/whites. After all, East Asian IQ is higher than that of blacks. But being sexually inferior in a world where Asian women now have free sexual choice, the claim of East Asian racial superiority based on geek IQ becomes irrelevant since women want non-Asian men to impregnate them.
    Asian men may be superior geeks, but women with 'liberated' and 'sexually-revolutionized' animal drives prefer studs, not duds. So, even as Asian geeks may be superior in science and math, they fail at the fundamental level of reproduction. They can multiply numbers but can't multiply genes through reproduction. Biologically, they are all about subtraction of their genes that women don't want.

    In the end, the men who spread most sperm is the superior from evolutionary vantage point. And current social setup of female choice and libertine sexuality favors black men over white men and white men over Asian men. Because Asian men are seen as dorks, they must make lots of money to attract women, and some Asian boys work hard to make money.

    All people are born through women. So, in a free and animalized society, superiority is judged by the raw sexual drives and sexual choices of women. Women watch stuff like SEX AND THE CITY where women are explicit about what they want in bed. Though it's not racially spelled out, it means the Modern Globalized women will admire the Joe Bucks of the world most since Pop Culture tropes go that way. Some may blame Liberal Hollywood for such stereotypes, but most stereotypes have some basis in fact.

    As the entire world becomes globalized by increased travel, internet, and mass immigration and emigration, men and women around the world are discovering they have divergent sexual values. Black men have higher value than black women, and Asian women have higher value than Asian men. And winners want to be with winners.

    White men will increasingly lose to black men(who are arriving by the millions to Europe to white women addicted to rap culture and jungle fever) and Asian men will lose to white and black men because Asian women, once given a globalist choice, prefer non-Asian men as superior to inferior Asian men who are seen as dorks. Globalism offers more freedom and choice to everyone but confers differs desirability to each group and each person. So, sexual freedom for blacks means that both black men and black women can hump anyone. But whereas black men are wanted by many, black women aren't wanted by many. Sex is different consumerism. Anyone with money can buy anything. But with sex, the other side has to agree. Any black woman with money can buy any TV. But is she wants some man, he has to say yes. And most men don't say yes to Thelma Jackson who be saying, "I's wants my man."

    For most of human history, women didn't have a choice. Also, they were expected to be faithful to one man for entire life. Even most men didn't have choice since many marriages were arranged by parents. Also, prior to imperialism and globalism, most races lived in separation from others.
    But now, at least in modern parts of the world, women get to choose the men. And they have a wide choice from all races since all societies are getting filled with diversity.

    And we see more and more white women not getting married and just having lots of loose sex. In colleges, many white girls got jungle fever for black athletes(who are worshiped as heroes by cucky white boys). Indeed, college coaches and recruiters attract black athletes with the lure of jungle-fever-mad white girls.

    All this globalism is done in the name of equality and 'anti-racism', but the result is totally about sexual inequality among races and the racial-sexual superiority of some men over others.

    So, what is the superior race? In today's globalized world where women have the freedom the choose, racial superiority is determined by whose seeds women choose to take. Each year, black seeds impregnates not only black wombs but white and yellow wombs. White men lose out to black men but spread their seeds to yellow wombs. So, by women's sexual choice, Asian males become most inferior race. Asian dorks may win math prizes, but their test papers don't create new life. They can only create new life through women.

    Now, we can be PC and say all races are equal or 'race is just a social construct', but the fact is women NOTICE race. And they choose based on race. And that means race is, above all, a sexual product.

    My heavens, what an awful picture you paint of contemporary women. I do hope you are wrong. You can’t possibly be right that “men of all races raise their girls to turn to sex at early age.” That goes against the grain of all that has ever been written about how fathers view their daughters.

    As far as your description of how women judge men, I beg to differ. Just look at the Hollywood actors noted for their appeal to women. I do not see that field filled with black actors. And, let’s face it, no woman goes around choosing to mate with a man according to the size of his member – most of us never see his equipment until the decision has already been made, so it can’t possibly have been an important deciding factor could it?

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    Anon is a pervert. Most of his posts are about his sex fantasies about White women and non White men. His posts are all the same.
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  102. Truth says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    Wouldn't it be simpler to just move to a highly white state near the Canadian border?

    That’s right Sports, don’t be wimps, Mom will knit you some mittens to protect your sensitive widu fingers

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  103. Truth says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Freedom of association isn't legal, otherwise I think most of the alt-right would be glad to do something like that.

    Why isn’t it?

    Nobody is telling you where you can and cannot live; it’s just that you don’t get to tell anyone else where he can and cannot live.

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  104. Truth says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    You might as well tell a German living near the Polish border to move to Berlin to avoid the Red Army.

    They're coming sooner or later.

    Whites have been on top for so long that they don't remember what it's like to fight for their place in the sun. Many never will. Hopefully, a decent-sized minority will look around and say, "Hey, I like my people and want them to survive."

    Why is that such a terrible thing to you? Do you not have the same love for you own people?

    ….Not necessarily in your lifetime.

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  105. Rich says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    Don't rely on our media to reach conclusions about Mao. Probably the smartest man who ever lived, a military strategist and tactician (Field Marshal Montgomery claimed that four of his campaigns rank with the best of Napoleon's).
    When Mao took charge in 1949, the Chinese people’s rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness had been lost. Chinese life expectancy was 35 years, 80 percent could not write their own names, electricity was available in a few cities, millions of bandits roamed the countryside, drug addiction paralyzed entire towns, 13-year old girls were sold as concubines for $100 and U.S. Ambassador John Leighton Stuart, reported that, in 1946 alone, 10 million starved to death in just three provinces.

    When Mao stepped down twenty years later–having served his entire tenure under a Western economic embargo–the invaders and warlords were gone, life expectancy was 67, the population had doubled, literacy was 84 percent, electricity reached even poor areas, the economy had grown 500 percent, drug addiction was eliminated, women were liberated and educated and basic human rights and China’s infrastructure were fully restored. There is no doubt that CCP did a lot of things wrong along the way. Most of the "founding fathers" of CCP were illiterate country bumpkins to begin with. Nonetheless the China after 1949 is a very different place than before and much more progressive.

    Today, 1,000,000 of the people he saved visit his home village every month. Is there any leader in world history whose people remember him so fondly?

    45,000,000.
    It’s conservatively estimated that your bloodthirsty hero caused 45 million Chinese to be murdered during his great leap forward. Countless others never born due to his strict birth control and abortion laws. Millions imprisoned and tortured. Not until years after the vampire’s death were the Chinese able to lift their heads just a bit. He was one of the most evil men to have shared this planet with us.

    As to your contention of his military genius, his genius was in that he allowed the Nationalists to do most of the fighting and dying against the Japanese, leaving them vulnerable to the Commie army following WWII.

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    In 1981 (25 years after the event) Judith Banister at the US Bureau of the Census proposed 30 millions killed in the Great Leap Forward (GLF) based on her “massive death toll” hypothesis, this figure is the mother of all subsequent numbers when the westerns write about the GLF; Frank Dikotter quoted 45 millions murdered in the GLF to win the Samuel Johnson prize for non-fiction; recently Jung Chang and Jon Halliday said 70 millions killed in the GLF in their book “Mao: the Unknown Story.” All of them claimed their number based on secret sources in China. The latest number is 100 millions murdered in the GLF in some western current affairs analysis sites.

    Rich, how many do you believe deaths (or percentage) would attribute to polices of the Great Leap Forward?
    , @Anonymous

    Countless others never born due to his strict birth control ... .
     
    I wish countless others never born due to his strict birth control in Africa (excess population).
    Unfortunately, I don't expect this wish to come through.
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  106. @RaceRealist88
    "‘whites’ are the original and most genetically diverse human stock."

    Citation needed.

    Citation needed.

    You don’t need citations for something that is trivially observable with your own eyes.

    Also, the oldest homo sapiens archeological artifacts are found in Europe and are genetically ‘white’.

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    Citation needed.

    White skin didn't evolve until 6500 ya. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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  107. @rw95
    "Freedom of association isn't legal..."
    What?
    Last I checked, freedom of association was in the Constitution.
    You must be a self-hating Asian man. The alt-right wants you gone, by any means necessary.

    Restrictive covenants are illegal, as are most forms of discrimination. How can one be discriminating when it’s incriminating?

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    Truth said it best:

    "Nobody is telling you where you can and cannot live; it’s just that you don’t get to tell anyone else where he can and cannot live."
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  108. bomag says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    Don't rely on our media to reach conclusions about Mao. Probably the smartest man who ever lived, a military strategist and tactician (Field Marshal Montgomery claimed that four of his campaigns rank with the best of Napoleon's).
    When Mao took charge in 1949, the Chinese people’s rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness had been lost. Chinese life expectancy was 35 years, 80 percent could not write their own names, electricity was available in a few cities, millions of bandits roamed the countryside, drug addiction paralyzed entire towns, 13-year old girls were sold as concubines for $100 and U.S. Ambassador John Leighton Stuart, reported that, in 1946 alone, 10 million starved to death in just three provinces.

    When Mao stepped down twenty years later–having served his entire tenure under a Western economic embargo–the invaders and warlords were gone, life expectancy was 67, the population had doubled, literacy was 84 percent, electricity reached even poor areas, the economy had grown 500 percent, drug addiction was eliminated, women were liberated and educated and basic human rights and China’s infrastructure were fully restored. There is no doubt that CCP did a lot of things wrong along the way. Most of the "founding fathers" of CCP were illiterate country bumpkins to begin with. Nonetheless the China after 1949 is a very different place than before and much more progressive.

    Today, 1,000,000 of the people he saved visit his home village every month. Is there any leader in world history whose people remember him so fondly?

    The advancements you noted would have happened under barely mediocre leadership.

    Reasonably competent leadership would have produced a much more prosperous and stable China.

    Today, 1,000,000 of the people he saved visit his home village every month.

    Humans tend to celebrate the wrong things.

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    Can you name another country that went from being the smallest to the biggest economy in 60 years?

    While lifting 700 million out of poverty?

    Doubling life expectancy?

    Educating their kids better than the USA?

    With unarmed cops?

    Safe streets?

    Lowest incarceration rate on earth?

    in the world?

    Highest government trust level and the strongest government policy approval rate in the known world?
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  109. Mostly true, but you have to decide whether white women have children because of race-mixing propaganda (pop music etc.) or because of biological qualities of different races. It is unlikely that both is true at the same time.
    Anyway the situation is at it is. But the “less masculine” men of course got “less masculine” over thousands of years via a trade-off. They lost masculinity, which among other things meant worse fighting ability in a on-on-one physical fight, but only could do so because they gained qualities which made them better in collective violence. They adapted to organized warfare, bureaucratic societies with death penalty etc. It has turned out that collective violence, which relies on technology obedience towards your military commander etc. is stronger than individual violence.
    Some gracile guys with low muscle tone but machine guns are stronger than 10 times as many bigger guys with dense bones and high muscle tone but only clubs.
    Now the really unfair thing about “anti-racism” is that it forbids the “less masculine” people two make use of the only weapons they have, which is cooperation, tactic, strategy, technology and allow the more masculine guys to use their weapons, which is spontaneous individual violence.
    Non-masculine guys are forbidden to built up physical walls (no reliance on technology is allowed), to cooperate against the more masculine guys by shutting them out of business etc.
    Everybody is expected to be a “real man” and fight against the more masculine guys one-on-one and without weapons.

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  110. bomag says:
    @Sunbeam
    That's a good question. To sort of quibble though, there are probably lots of historic thinkers we haven't heard of because they aren't covered in our curricula or our particular common knowledge.

    Also I've brought up on this site that we are closing in on two generations of elite college assortative mating. When is somebody gonna pump out another John Von Neumann. Shouldn't we be seeing a big noise about now? Heck I'll settle for Claude Shannon or Josiah Willard Gibbs instead of a Gauss level intellect.

    Is it the fact that we aren't hearing about things because they are so complicated now? Is it too hard to make fundamental advances? So many giants around even during the first half of the 20th century. Dirac, Heisenberg, where have they all gone?

    Are they languishing in obscurity because media can't find an angle (or even have the foggiest notion of what their work is) to popularize it? Have to go to school past your peak innovation years just to get to the frontiers of knowledge?

    Or maybe they are jerking off on Wall Street. Get a real job guys.

    there are probably lots of historic thinkers we haven’t heard of because they aren’t covered in our curricula or our particular common knowledge.

    That’s a large part of it; the West not only raised astonishing thinkers, it developed and maintained an infrastructure that allowed them to flourish and be remembered.

    where have they all gone?

    Yeah, the West raised a remarkable number of intellectual outliers. There is some suggestion that general intelligence is falling in modern populations, and I suppose outlier production is one of the first casualties.

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  111. @bomag
    The advancements you noted would have happened under barely mediocre leadership.

    Reasonably competent leadership would have produced a much more prosperous and stable China.

    Today, 1,000,000 of the people he saved visit his home village every month.

    Humans tend to celebrate the wrong things.

    Can you name another country that went from being the smallest to the biggest economy in 60 years?

    While lifting 700 million out of poverty?

    Doubling life expectancy?

    Educating their kids better than the USA?

    With unarmed cops?

    Safe streets?

    Lowest incarceration rate on earth?

    in the world?

    Highest government trust level and the strongest government policy approval rate in the known world?

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    Can you name another country that went from being the smallest to the biggest economy in 60 years?... While lifting 700 million out of poverty?
     
    I'm not denying Chinese accomplishment. But these gains are largely from introducing modern industry and technology after WWII, which would have happened under most any leadership. Ascribing these gains to Mao's benighted guidance is mendacious.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    What's the point of glorifying Mao here? He served a purpose, accomplished a lot but certainly caused a lot of misery.
    , @Sam Houston
    "Can you name another country that went from being the smallest to the biggest economy in 60 years?"

    That only happened because China leached off the U.S. through free trade.


    "While lifting 700 million out of poverty?"

    See above.


    "Doubling life expectancy?"

    Well considering how LOW their life expectancy was that's not much of an accomplishment.


    "Educating their kids better than the USA?"

    LOL! Actually they educate their kids IN the USA!


    "With unarmed cops? Safe streets?"

    That's only because they're scared sh!tless by the totalitarian government!


    "Lowest incarceration rate on earth? in the world?"

    That's only because the Communist government executes more of it's own citizens than the rest of the world combined!


    "Highest government trust level and the strongest government policy approval rate in the known world?"

    HAH! Again:That's only because they're scared sh!tless by the totalitarian government!

    Just out of curiosity "Godfree" why is it that you fail to mention the 50 million Chinese murdered by Mao and his minions? THAT'S certainly proof of high IQ!
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  112. KenH says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Freedom of association isn't legal, otherwise I think most of the alt-right would be glad to do something like that.

    Freedom of association isn’t legal,

    Not for whites, but it’s legal for every non-white racial group. America now has a tiered system. One standard for whites which prohibits and proscribes overt association with fellow whites and another for non-whites that encourages tribalism and association with each other.

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  113. bomag says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    Can you name another country that went from being the smallest to the biggest economy in 60 years?

    While lifting 700 million out of poverty?

    Doubling life expectancy?

    Educating their kids better than the USA?

    With unarmed cops?

    Safe streets?

    Lowest incarceration rate on earth?

    in the world?

    Highest government trust level and the strongest government policy approval rate in the known world?

    Can you name another country that went from being the smallest to the biggest economy in 60 years?… While lifting 700 million out of poverty?

    I’m not denying Chinese accomplishment. But these gains are largely from introducing modern industry and technology after WWII, which would have happened under most any leadership. Ascribing these gains to Mao’s benighted guidance is mendacious.

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    Would have happened under any leadership but didn't. China had been trying for 100 years to modernized, but failed completely. India, a much richer nation, unharmed by WWII, is still trying.

    The gains and growth all occurred under Mao, who grew China's economy at an average of 6.2% a year from 1949 to 1975. No national leader in history can compare to the material gains he brought China.

    Edgar Snow saw it clearly back in 1937:

    “You know in one sense you can think of the whole history of the Communist movement on China as a grand propaganda tour, and the defence, not so much of the absolute right of certain ideas, perhaps, as of their right to exist. I’m not sure that it may not prove to have been the most permanent service of the Reds, even if they are in the end defeated and broken…

    “However badly they have erred at times, however tragic have been their excesses, however exaggerated has been the emphasis here or the stress there, it has been their sincere and sharply felt propaganda aim to shake, to arouse, the millions of rural China to their responsibilities in society; to awaken them to a belief in human rights, to combat the timidity, passiveness and static faiths of Taoism and Confucianism, to educate, to persuade and, I have no doubt, at times to beleaguer and coerce them to fight for ‘the reign of the people’ – a new vision in rural China – to fight for a life of justice, equality, freedom and human dignity, as the Communists see it. Far more than all the pious but meaningless resolutions passed at Nanking [the Kuomintang capital], this growing pressure now from a peasantry gradually standing erect in a state of consciousness, after two millenniums of sleep, may force the realisation of a vast mutation over the land.”

    Look at China today. Clearly, Mao succeeded where everyone else failed.
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  114. KenH says:

    Fred’s been on a tear lately and it’s clear that the alt-right and white nationalists occupy the hollow spaces inside his head 24/7. The intellectual achievement of Chinese and other Asian nationalities is very recent and amounts to appropriating the theories and technology invented and created by whites. Why must these Asians come to the West to achieve great things and where is the equivalent of Cal Tech and MIT in China or Japan?

    Recently a friend in California, with an Asian wife, and therefore plugged into that community, told me that the carefully unspoken view was that “The whites are lazy and stupid.”

    And yet we still create and maintain nations that are far superior to anything they came from and our lands continue to attract millions of them. Others get citizenship the cheap and easy way via maternity tourism. Chinese are known to be the biggest offenders followed by wealthy Arabs and Mexicans.

    But the sentiment of these Asians is also illustrative of why, generally speaking, the alt-right and like minded pro-white groups are strongly opposed to non-white immigration. The obvious reason being that most are antagonistic and disrespectful towards the (shrinking) white majority. Asians who think this way should be unceremoniously deported back to their rice paddies.

    The alt-right and white nationalists just want an immigration policy that China has for the Chinese, Israel has for the Jews or that Mexico has for Fred’s beloved messicans. His nose doesn’t seem to get bent out of joint over their racially restrictive immigration policies or their desire to maintain racial cohesion and homogeneity.

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  115. rw95 says:
    @KenH
    Fred's been on a tear lately and it's clear that the alt-right and white nationalists occupy the hollow spaces inside his head 24/7. The intellectual achievement of Chinese and other Asian nationalities is very recent and amounts to appropriating the theories and technology invented and created by whites. Why must these Asians come to the West to achieve great things and where is the equivalent of Cal Tech and MIT in China or Japan?

    Recently a friend in California, with an Asian wife, and therefore plugged into that community, told me that the carefully unspoken view was that “The whites are lazy and stupid.”
     
    And yet we still create and maintain nations that are far superior to anything they came from and our lands continue to attract millions of them. Others get citizenship the cheap and easy way via maternity tourism. Chinese are known to be the biggest offenders followed by wealthy Arabs and Mexicans.

    But the sentiment of these Asians is also illustrative of why, generally speaking, the alt-right and like minded pro-white groups are strongly opposed to non-white immigration. The obvious reason being that most are antagonistic and disrespectful towards the (shrinking) white majority. Asians who think this way should be unceremoniously deported back to their rice paddies.

    The alt-right and white nationalists just want an immigration policy that China has for the Chinese, Israel has for the Jews or that Mexico has for Fred's beloved messicans. His nose doesn't seem to get bent out of joint over their racially restrictive immigration policies or their desire to maintain racial cohesion and homogeneity.

    In what world are Israel and Mexico “racially homogeneous?”

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    In what world are Israel and Mexico “racially homogeneous?”
     
    Uh, like this one, champ. Israel is 80% Jewish and actively discriminates against the 20% non-Jews. They've even contemplated making incoming Jewish immigrants submit to a DNA test to prove their Jewish lineage and according to some sources, have followed through in some cases.
    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/08/netanyahu-may-require-dna-tests-to-prove-immigrants-have-a-jewish-bloodline/
    https://academic.oup.com/jlb/article/2/2/469/826237/Genetic-citizenship-DNA-testing-and-the-Israeli

    Mexico is about 10-12% white European, 55-60% Mestizo (Euro and Indian mixture) and most of the rest indigenous Indian. Descendants of African slaves are perhaps 1% while Asians are around .25%. Not exactly a potpourri of every race and ethnic group on the planet like the USA and their immigration policy (what little they allow) does not upset or alter this racial balance.

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  116. Gene Su says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Noticing differences isn't the same thing as asserting superiority in all realms, though. I'm fairly certain that Asians have a general lack of curiousity - including myself. I credit my largely conservative views for a personal fondness for stability over innovation as well.

    This implies that our accomplishments will be more notable if in fact, all of the low-hanging fruit of science has been picked and there isn't as much innovation left in the world. If the opposite is true, I'm fairly sure that we will continue to lag behind in many metrics.

    I feel that Mr. Reed's understanding of HBD's adherents is limited. I can acknowledge the hereditary advantage of Keynan long-distance runners over mine without necessarily classifying them as a super-race in all aspects of life.

    The reason why the East Asian is lacking in curiosity and innovation is because of the intense stricture and conformity of Asian culture. The Chinese, Korean, and Japanese are taught in their youth that certain things must be done a certain way and certain customs must be followed. They are also told not to questions such customs, even if they seem silly. I remember during my schools days that my white classmates would roll their eyes when they were given some sort of stupid rule like they couldn’t take their backpacks to class or couldn’t chew gum. An Asian kid would not question such rules and would not rebel. My mom signed me up for many extra-curricular activities, even those I didn’t want. I burnt out during high school. Amy Chua described a similar experience with her daughter. Google the term hikikomori. It is not unusual to for an Asian teen (usually male) to want to retreat from the world.

    It is this cultural tick that allows us to do so well in school and on tests. It is also the reason why we don’t invent as many things.

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    Its a combination of culture, but I also think of hereditary. To be totally honest, I much prefer order and custom. I think as a whole, it can be very rewarding despite the potential loss to innovation, and think that there's a lot to be said for a society where things can be stable, crime is nonexistent, and time can be given to focus and perfection.

    I have a theory that suppression of knowledge for societal harmony is at least a large part of Chinese lack of innovation; historically, China has a number of inventions but very few that actually became prolific. From what I can tell, the powers that be took a very dim view on anything disruptive - often with good reason, but to some unfortunate consequences in the long term.

    Some things are different today, though, and knowledge can't easily be lost as it was in the past. So we'll see how things will pan out.
    , @Santoculto
    Explain why east Asian diaspora is not so different...
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  117. bomag says:
    @Ali Choudhury
    Well, I am not opposed to you or anyone else pushing for a white homeland if that's what you want.

    Personally I work with people from a range of nationalities (Russians, South Africans, Indians, Americans, most major European countries etc.). and enjoy it. As long as the violent, angry and unemployable criminal underclasses are kept well away, being in proximity to a diversity of people from a range of countries is more interesting and let's you learn a lot about the world.

    Personally I work with people from a range of nationalities (Russians, South Africans, Indians, Americans, most major European countries etc.). and enjoy it… being in proximity to a diversity of people from a range of countries is more interesting and let’s you learn a lot about the world.

    That is good for one generation or so, then either one group comes to dominate; or ‘all the colors bleed into one’, and so much for diversity.

    “You might be interested in diversity, but diversity is not interested in you.”

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  118. @Daniel Chieh
    Falsifiable.

    IQ is consistently correlated with better life expectanties including wealth; indeed, even if "late bloomers" were to show more capabilities, they would still have to struggle against the accumulated wealth from the early succeeders.

    I'm still dubious, though, from personal experience. I didn't realize that I was high IQ until much later in life when I got MENSA tested, despite academic accomplishments. I simply assumed I worked harder.

    At some point, I realized that the average jobs were simply easier for me. When I was doing a simple call center job, it was easy for me to remember all of the solutions and commit to three times the number of calls compared to others. With my spare time, I would be bored and ended up automating entire job functions - and made a data entry worker redundant, which made her despise me. The latter, unfortunately, would become a theme - my presence was rarely healthy for the career of my peers.

    By the time I was promoted to management, I was expected to have to be in training for four months before I could lead anything. But by the second week, I was leading meetings simply because it didn't seem so difficult to reuse all of the tools, worksheets, agendas, etc I had learned. I always end up feeling like bored, and put in a lot of random time learning other things.

    Learning that I was in the top 10% actually has had a more humbling effect on me. Before, I was probably less compassionate and simply assumed that others were lazy. I've come to realize that I've been doing a lot of projection and that many things are simply easier for me, and I should be kinder overall.

    Top 10% isn’t that impressive. Top .1% is

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  119. KenH says:
    @rw95
    In what world are Israel and Mexico "racially homogeneous?"

    In what world are Israel and Mexico “racially homogeneous?”

    Uh, like this one, champ. Israel is 80% Jewish and actively discriminates against the 20% non-Jews. They’ve even contemplated making incoming Jewish immigrants submit to a DNA test to prove their Jewish lineage and according to some sources, have followed through in some cases.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2013/08/netanyahu-may-require-dna-tests-to-prove-immigrants-have-a-jewish-bloodline/

    https://academic.oup.com/jlb/article/2/2/469/826237/Genetic-citizenship-DNA-testing-and-the-Israeli

    Mexico is about 10-12% white European, 55-60% Mestizo (Euro and Indian mixture) and most of the rest indigenous Indian. Descendants of African slaves are perhaps 1% while Asians are around .25%. Not exactly a potpourri of every race and ethnic group on the planet like the USA and their immigration policy (what little they allow) does not upset or alter this racial balance.

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  120. @Godfree Roberts
    Can you name another country that went from being the smallest to the biggest economy in 60 years?

    While lifting 700 million out of poverty?

    Doubling life expectancy?

    Educating their kids better than the USA?

    With unarmed cops?

    Safe streets?

    Lowest incarceration rate on earth?

    in the world?

    Highest government trust level and the strongest government policy approval rate in the known world?

    What’s the point of glorifying Mao here? He served a purpose, accomplished a lot but certainly caused a lot of misery.

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    What misery did he cause, for whom, what were its lasting effects, and why?
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  121. @rw95
    "Freedom of association isn't legal..."
    What?
    Last I checked, freedom of association was in the Constitution.
    You must be a self-hating Asian man. The alt-right wants you gone, by any means necessary.

    Negrolphin Pool has answered better than I can, but its pretty obvious that freedom of association isn’t legal. Its easily one of the most senseless things as it forces people to associate with those they would prefer not to, and undermines a number of synergies that come from having a common group.

    As for the rest of your ramble, I can view things in other ways than self-interest. Yes, I’m aware that most of them would rather if I was gone. This doesn’t mean that they don’t have a point.

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    So when are you going back to China?
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  122. @Gene Su
    The reason why the East Asian is lacking in curiosity and innovation is because of the intense stricture and conformity of Asian culture. The Chinese, Korean, and Japanese are taught in their youth that certain things must be done a certain way and certain customs must be followed. They are also told not to questions such customs, even if they seem silly. I remember during my schools days that my white classmates would roll their eyes when they were given some sort of stupid rule like they couldn't take their backpacks to class or couldn't chew gum. An Asian kid would not question such rules and would not rebel. My mom signed me up for many extra-curricular activities, even those I didn't want. I burnt out during high school. Amy Chua described a similar experience with her daughter. Google the term hikikomori. It is not unusual to for an Asian teen (usually male) to want to retreat from the world.

    It is this cultural tick that allows us to do so well in school and on tests. It is also the reason why we don't invent as many things.

    Its a combination of culture, but I also think of hereditary. To be totally honest, I much prefer order and custom. I think as a whole, it can be very rewarding despite the potential loss to innovation, and think that there’s a lot to be said for a society where things can be stable, crime is nonexistent, and time can be given to focus and perfection.

    I have a theory that suppression of knowledge for societal harmony is at least a large part of Chinese lack of innovation; historically, China has a number of inventions but very few that actually became prolific. From what I can tell, the powers that be took a very dim view on anything disruptive – often with good reason, but to some unfortunate consequences in the long term.

    Some things are different today, though, and knowledge can’t easily be lost as it was in the past. So we’ll see how things will pan out.

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    "I have a theory that suppression of knowledge for societal harmony is at least a large part of Chinese lack of innovation; historically, China has a number of inventions but very few that actually became prolific. "

    I'm not a scholar dedicated to studying cultures and history.

    But it is insane the number of technologies that were developed in China, that nothing much was ever done with till they were reinvented or found their way to the West.

    One really odd factoid though, apparently screws were unknown in China. (The threaded fastener kind.) They were first used by the Romans, but I'm not sure they were used by the Chinese until over a thousand years later.

    Maybe it takes a nascent machining industry to do those (though I've seen people make them by hand), but they seem reachable to make by a smith, though maybe not in mass production quantity.

    One of those things like stirrups, that you see for the first time, then smack yourself in the head and say "Duh, why didn't anyone think of this before?" (Stirrups weren't used till after 500 AD or so, despite thousands of years of horse use.)

    Hahaha. Just looked up stirrups. Invented in China about the first century AD, spread West via the usual nomadic horsemen. Wonder if China ever had anything like Lancers. They were used and were useful in combat till - well WWI really. Had a good long run even after gunpowder, till that war. Not sure why they weren't used by the US (though the Union actually had some Pikemen during the Civil War - at least at the beginning). But the Europeans used the hell out of them for along time, Winged Hussars, Hussars, etc.
    , @dfordoom

    I have a theory that suppression of knowledge for societal harmony is at least a large part of Chinese lack of innovation
     
    Suppression of knowledge for societal harmony is sometimes a very good idea.

    Innovation has been turned into an idol. We're innovating ourselves into oblivion.
    , @Anonymous
    "I have a theory that suppression of knowledge for societal harmony is at least a large part of Chinese lack of innovation; historically, China has a number of inventions but very few that actually became prolific. From what I can tell, the powers that be took a very dim view on anything disruptive – often with good reason, but to some unfortunate consequences in the long term."

    I think there's a lot to be said for this idea. Just the other day I read or heard that wi-if might become a thing of the past, and I thought, "Why?" Isn't wi-fi pretty good? Haven't we come up with pretty good ways to provide wi-fi in places where it's needed? I was thinking that maybe we don't need more innovation in computer/hand-held/wi-if/etc. technology. Let's just go with what we have for awhile instead of subjecting ourselves to constant change. Maybe it would make more sense for the smart people in our country to address some other more critical issues in our society that could use improvements.
    , @Gene Su
    A current event has made me want to modify the answer I gave to Daniel Chieh. I don't know if anyone will read this at this point. Maybe I'll repost this the next time there is a discussion on Asian culture.
    Think of one of the most famous children's television shows that was imported from Japan to the United States: the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers. Watch a few episodes of any season (if it doesn't make you puke) and then watch the Super Sentai show, the Japanese children's program that it was ripped from. There are a few implicit messages in this special FX show:
    1. Every problem can (or must?) be solved in the exact same way. In every episode, the heroes use the same costumes, weapons, battle craft, etc. This reflects that lack of creativity in the East Asian mindset.
    2. If you work out / practice karate enough, you can be a super hero. Like wise, a boy is told if he study enough, he can get an upper middle class profession. Girls are told that if they study enough, they can marry a successful businessman.
    3. If you fail at something, all you have to do is try harder. Note that a Western child is told that if he fails at some task, sometimes the best thing to do might be to try again in the future when they might have learned something that might make them more competent.
    4. To adequately protect yourself and your society, all you need are the newest, most powerful toys (like space ships that transform into dragons and jets that transform into giant robots). This is why so many East Asian children are interested in engineering (and neglect the liberal arts).
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  123. Svigor says:

    Wait, you mean Freed Reed is a coward who ignores the leading contender for self-appointed super-race, The Jews, and their Levantine Reich, in favor of the alt-right? Ignores the fact that nobody, NOBODY, loves themselves more than the Jews?

    I’m shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

    Some people become braver in old age, but some use it as an excuse to double down on cowardice.

    Freed Reed: just an old pussy.

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  124. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Daniel Chieh
    Noticing differences isn't the same thing as asserting superiority in all realms, though. I'm fairly certain that Asians have a general lack of curiousity - including myself. I credit my largely conservative views for a personal fondness for stability over innovation as well.

    This implies that our accomplishments will be more notable if in fact, all of the low-hanging fruit of science has been picked and there isn't as much innovation left in the world. If the opposite is true, I'm fairly sure that we will continue to lag behind in many metrics.

    I feel that Mr. Reed's understanding of HBD's adherents is limited. I can acknowledge the hereditary advantage of Keynan long-distance runners over mine without necessarily classifying them as a super-race in all aspects of life.

    Hello, Mr. Chieh.
    I am surprised that nobody discussed the tendency of Chinese students to cheat.
    Steve Sailer mentioned it numerous times, especially re tests administered in China.

    I personally know many excellent Chinese graduate students; majority of them worked, or are working right now, with truly brilliant STEM professor in the field of display technology.

    But the experience of my kids, at all levels,
    from Middle School to graduate programs of top American Universities,
    showed me somewhat other story.

    My best wishes to you personally, and your loved ones.

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  125. Svigor says:

    Godfree, I interspersed my replies into your quote, using brackets:

    Can you name another country that went from being the smallest to the biggest economy in 60 years? [Catchup]

    While lifting 700 million out of poverty? [Catchup]

    Doubling life expectancy? [Catchup]

    Educating their kids better than the USA? [USA educational system is in terminal decline, true; avoid Diversity]

    With unarmed cops? [avoid Diversity]

    Safe streets? [avoid Diversity]

    Lowest incarceration rate on earth? [avoid Diversity]

    in the world? [???]

    Highest government trust level and the strongest government policy approval rate in the known world? [Chinese are very trusting?]

    Look, catching up to the west was no mean feat. Kudos. I find it more interesting to wonder what took 1.3 billion Chinese, with such a high mean IQ, so long to get their shit together, but, potato, potato.

    Read that number again: 1.3 BILLION. They still lag, in other words. A lot.

    I want to highlight China’s great decision to avoid Diversity. It will mean a lot more once their own vast pool of cheap labor dries up, but we’ll have to wait and see on that score. So again, major kudos to China for avoiding Diversity and Open Borders.

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  126. Svigor says:

    Ah, but as a true HBD believer will tell you, nothing matters but intelligence. There is no god but intelligence.

    Nonsense. That’s an HBD faction. A heavily non-White one, relatively speaking.

    P.S., Fred’s still a pussy.

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  127. @Gene Su
    The reason why the East Asian is lacking in curiosity and innovation is because of the intense stricture and conformity of Asian culture. The Chinese, Korean, and Japanese are taught in their youth that certain things must be done a certain way and certain customs must be followed. They are also told not to questions such customs, even if they seem silly. I remember during my schools days that my white classmates would roll their eyes when they were given some sort of stupid rule like they couldn't take their backpacks to class or couldn't chew gum. An Asian kid would not question such rules and would not rebel. My mom signed me up for many extra-curricular activities, even those I didn't want. I burnt out during high school. Amy Chua described a similar experience with her daughter. Google the term hikikomori. It is not unusual to for an Asian teen (usually male) to want to retreat from the world.

    It is this cultural tick that allows us to do so well in school and on tests. It is also the reason why we don't invent as many things.

    Explain why east Asian diaspora is not so different…

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  128. Sean says:

    New long titled book from Fred. Great White Hunter: How I Put My Inferior Co-ethnics In Their Place (from Mexico where my American money, IQ and looks go furthest).

    It seems to me that the Alt-Right-HBD folk, believing in the evolutionary principle of survival of the fittest, in the genetic and therefore immutable nature of intelligence, and that IQ is an accurate measure of intelligence and therefore of Darwinian fitness, must conclude that we whites, to better the species, should stop breeding and allow the more advanced species to supplant us. I await their acclamation for presenting this prescient and admirable case.

    They need not present it before implementing it, which the WEIRD sector of the population are in fact doing. The Weird elite (white but not overtly as such) don’t like that there are a lot of low class people, who the elite carefully note are white. So really clever whites mock the intellectually challenged majority for thinking they’re large. NonEuropeans are just a stalking horse in this for the urban WEIRD and gentleman adventurers like mister Reed.

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  129. Sunbeam says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Its a combination of culture, but I also think of hereditary. To be totally honest, I much prefer order and custom. I think as a whole, it can be very rewarding despite the potential loss to innovation, and think that there's a lot to be said for a society where things can be stable, crime is nonexistent, and time can be given to focus and perfection.

    I have a theory that suppression of knowledge for societal harmony is at least a large part of Chinese lack of innovation; historically, China has a number of inventions but very few that actually became prolific. From what I can tell, the powers that be took a very dim view on anything disruptive - often with good reason, but to some unfortunate consequences in the long term.

    Some things are different today, though, and knowledge can't easily be lost as it was in the past. So we'll see how things will pan out.

    “I have a theory that suppression of knowledge for societal harmony is at least a large part of Chinese lack of innovation; historically, China has a number of inventions but very few that actually became prolific. ”

    I’m not a scholar dedicated to studying cultures and history.

    But it is insane the number of technologies that were developed in China, that nothing much was ever done with till they were reinvented or found their way to the West.

    One really odd factoid though, apparently screws were unknown in China. (The threaded fastener kind.) They were first used by the Romans, but I’m not sure they were used by the Chinese until over a thousand years later.

    Maybe it takes a nascent machining industry to do those (though I’ve seen people make them by hand), but they seem reachable to make by a smith, though maybe not in mass production quantity.

    One of those things like stirrups, that you see for the first time, then smack yourself in the head and say “Duh, why didn’t anyone think of this before?” (Stirrups weren’t used till after 500 AD or so, despite thousands of years of horse use.)

    Hahaha. Just looked up stirrups. Invented in China about the first century AD, spread West via the usual nomadic horsemen. Wonder if China ever had anything like Lancers. They were used and were useful in combat till – well WWI really. Had a good long run even after gunpowder, till that war. Not sure why they weren’t used by the US (though the Union actually had some Pikemen during the Civil War – at least at the beginning). But the Europeans used the hell out of them for along time, Winged Hussars, Hussars, etc.

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    China had a tendency to recognize the dangers of advanced technology in being unusually disruptive; for example, that widespread and powerful firearms would result in empowering the population versus the government. Such knowledge would thus be suppressed, and efforts were made to maintain "secret recipes" rather than focus on mass production. That would result in a lot of loss of technology.

    Incidentally, something like that seems to have happened to the American Apollo program, evidently the scale models have been destroyed, data deleted and enough experts have died such that we don't know how to send people to the moon anymore. We'll have to rediscover some things if we are to do another Apollo program.

    Every time advanced technology is cosigned to secrecy, it also seems to become easy to be forgotten.

    Europe tended not to be so "far-sighted" in realizing the disruptive effects of technology, resulting in the misery of many a king and an ever more powerful and restive population, but it worked out better for them as a whole.

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  130. Svigor says:

    Nobody is telling you where you can and cannot live; it’s just that you don’t get to tell anyone else where he can and cannot live.

    This is, effectively, telling people where they can and cannot live. E.g., no living in White communities. You can replace “White” there with any group, as far as the law is concerned. Of course, the law of Nature serves to grant people most other groups avoid, like blacks, Muslims, etc., the effective right to live in black communities.

    In other words, that right is solely for Jews, in their ethnostates, or non-Whites; Whites are granted a second-class set of rights.

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  131. @bomag

    Can you name another country that went from being the smallest to the biggest economy in 60 years?... While lifting 700 million out of poverty?
     
    I'm not denying Chinese accomplishment. But these gains are largely from introducing modern industry and technology after WWII, which would have happened under most any leadership. Ascribing these gains to Mao's benighted guidance is mendacious.

    Would have happened under any leadership but didn’t. China had been trying for 100 years to modernized, but failed completely. India, a much richer nation, unharmed by WWII, is still trying.

    The gains and growth all occurred under Mao, who grew China’s economy at an average of 6.2% a year from 1949 to 1975. No national leader in history can compare to the material gains he brought China.

    Edgar Snow saw it clearly back in 1937:

    “You know in one sense you can think of the whole history of the Communist movement on China as a grand propaganda tour, and the defence, not so much of the absolute right of certain ideas, perhaps, as of their right to exist. I’m not sure that it may not prove to have been the most permanent service of the Reds, even if they are in the end defeated and broken…

    “However badly they have erred at times, however tragic have been their excesses, however exaggerated has been the emphasis here or the stress there, it has been their sincere and sharply felt propaganda aim to shake, to arouse, the millions of rural China to their responsibilities in society; to awaken them to a belief in human rights, to combat the timidity, passiveness and static faiths of Taoism and Confucianism, to educate, to persuade and, I have no doubt, at times to beleaguer and coerce them to fight for ‘the reign of the people’ – a new vision in rural China – to fight for a life of justice, equality, freedom and human dignity, as the Communists see it. Far more than all the pious but meaningless resolutions passed at Nanking [the Kuomintang capital], this growing pressure now from a peasantry gradually standing erect in a state of consciousness, after two millenniums of sleep, may force the realisation of a vast mutation over the land.”

    Look at China today. Clearly, Mao succeeded where everyone else failed.

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    Would have happened under any leadership but didn’t. China had been trying for 100 years to modernized, but failed completely. India, a much richer nation, unharmed by WWII, is still trying.
     
    What crap. India has done well enough, but go ahead and tell us how great they would have done under communism.

    The Chinese in Hong Kong; Singapore; Taiwan; and the diaspora community did quite well without Mao's hand up their ass, but go ahead and tell us about the economic growth and social contentment they missed out on from not having an awesome leader like Mao to arrange things. Then you can go on and tell us that North Korea, East Germany, and Cuba are/were shining examples of how countries should be run in comparison to those around them, so we better get our minds right, fall on our knees, and realize the awesomeness of Communism and the leaders who implemented that wonderful system.
    , @Astuteobservor II
    wow, very good read.
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  132. @Daniel Chieh
    What's the point of glorifying Mao here? He served a purpose, accomplished a lot but certainly caused a lot of misery.

    What misery did he cause, for whom, what were its lasting effects, and why?

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    Millions of Chinese died, mostly in the countryside, due to deprivations caused by the Great Leap Forward. My family, who were landowners affiliated with the KMT, died to the Red Guard and there is much to be said of the cultural and environment devastation that was inflicted. Much of Confucian thought was lost, and as of now, the Chinese have basically become a highly materialistic society where most of the nuances of care have been lost. Things are getting much better now, but its hard not to deplore the excesses of Communist rule under Mao.

    Has China, in the end, stood up with him? Absolutely. For that, China owes a debt to the Great Helmsman. But China also owes a debt to Emperor Qin, yet we too can say that he was a terrible tyrant who destroyed much knowledge.

    Modern China owes more to Deng Xiaoping than Mao, if you ask me.
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  133. Corvinus says:
    @Michael Pyshnov
    First, Darwin told us about survival of the fittest. Then, kmarx said wars are caused by capitalists. Now, we chose people by IQ. But, in fact the world is in the war of nations, not by IQ or by money or by physical traits, but by national traits. That's the reality.

    The only solution is to separate. Land and its nation. Nation-State. Total independence. No more than 2% foreigners in a nation-state. Tourism, exchange, etc. is OK. But not citizenship for foreigners. The alternative will be the total war, and it's coming. And I am talking about preservation of the only thing that we have as people - culture. If we mix two nations, we have two cultures lost, two languages lost, etc. And, of course, Darwin, kmarx and technocrats had no culture, they are anti-humans. If you are guided by ideology, wake up.

    “The only solution is to separate. Land and its nation. Nation-State. Total independence. No more than 2% foreigners in a nation-state. Tourism, exchange, etc. is OK. But not citizenship for foreigners.”

    How realistic is your plan, considering that America is a land of mutts? What is your starting point? Who is in charge of this separation? What are the political and economic considerations here? How do you propose to handle those individuals and groups of people who will oppose this plan?

    I can only hope that your comment was a poor attempt at snark by a low IQ white man…

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  134. @Ali Choudhury
    Well, I am not opposed to you or anyone else pushing for a white homeland if that's what you want.

    Personally I work with people from a range of nationalities (Russians, South Africans, Indians, Americans, most major European countries etc.). and enjoy it. As long as the violent, angry and unemployable criminal underclasses are kept well away, being in proximity to a diversity of people from a range of countries is more interesting and let's you learn a lot about the world.

    As long as the violent, angry and unemployable criminal underclasses are kept well away, being in proximity to a diversity of people from a range of countries is more interesting and let’s you learn a lot about the world.

    Kind of says it all about globalist types like yourself. The short-sightedness of your worldview is stunning, especially considering that you’re almost certainly a very bright person.

    Give the Jews credit. They don’t buy your globalist worldview for themselves, just for others.

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  135. Corvinus says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    It does seem a proportion of the force behind the alt-right and HBD movement is driven by fear, resentment and disdain for underclass blacks.

    If you mean whites are growing ever weary of being blamed for black (all black, not just the underclass) disfunction, then, yes, that's true.

    If you mean that whites are growing ever more weary of being forced to live around blacks who cannot live by white standards, then, yes, that's true.

    If you mean that whites are growing ever more weary of being told that we should just shut up about group differences, then, yes, that's true.

    As for me, I don't hate blacks. Let them live the way that they choose to live. Whites will live the way that we choose to live. Just in different locations.

    I simply want to live around my own people. Let other groups live the way that they want. It doesn't impact me.

    I want for whites what Jews want for Jews: Preserve my own people and culture and a homeland. Whites should follow the Jewish model. Create your own enclaves within a society while pushing for a homeland.

    “If you mean whites are growing ever weary of being blamed for black (all black, not just the underclass) disfunction, then, yes, that’s true.”

    Some whites, sure.

    “If you mean that whites are growing ever more weary of being forced to live around blacks who cannot live by white standards, then, yes, that’s true.”

    They aren’t “white standards”. They are human standards. And there is no “force” involved here.

    “If you mean that whites are growing ever more weary of being told that we should just shut up about group differences, then, yes, that’s true.”

    Some group differences are absolutely accurate. Others, not so much.

    “As for me, I don’t hate blacks. Let them live the way that they choose to live. Whites will live the way that we choose to live. Just in different locations.”

    Except there are white people who do want to live, and marry, and have children, with non-whites. Is it not within their liberty to live anywhere they choose? Besides, there are white neighborhoods and white towns to live in. Feel free to move there.

    “I simply want to live around my own people.”

    Go ahead, no one is stopping you!

    “Let other groups live the way that they want. It doesn’t impact me.”

    Except when you lament that “bad whites” are making life miserable for “good whites” such as yourself.

    I want for whites what Jews want for Jews: Preserve my own people and culture and a homeland. Whites should follow the Jewish model. Create your own enclaves within a society while pushing for a homeland.

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  136. @rw95
    "Are Jews Jewish supremacists?"

    According to the alt-right, yes they are. That's all they ever talk about, in fact.

    "Are the Japanese Japanese supremacists?"

    I'd say that's up for debate.

    "According to your logic, I must hate other people’s children because I love my own."

    Buddy, cut the crap. 100% of white nationalists are united by a hatred of blacks, followed closely by a hatred of Jews. What's stopping you from moving to lily-white New England, or the Midwest? I'm always hearing about how Russia and big Daddy Putin are going to save the white race by making Russia a new homeland for white people? Why don't you get ahead of the curve and get there first?

    You failed to answer my first question.

    Here’s another: Should whites be allowed to act like Jews and other groups who lobby for their own people and seek to preserve their people and culture?

    Do you believe that Israel should be allowed to remain a Jewish state?

    Regarding Jews and the Alt-right, you are correct. We never shut about them because we recognize the hypocrisy and respect their willingness to fight for their own. I simply want whites to act like Jews. I certainly don’t hate them. I use them as a model.

    Perhaps this is all just a definition thing. If you prefer to use the phrase white nationalist or white identity to describe people like me instead of Alt-Right, go ahead. But I’m telling you in all honesty, my philosophy isn’t based on hate. I just want white to have the right be with their own if they choose. That’s it. It really is about love of my own people, not hatred for others. Not sure why you can’t accept that.

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    And I'll tell you again to cut the crap, saying your ideology is not based on hate. It IS based on hate. Hatred of blacks, hatred of Jews, hatred of anybody who isn't white.

    NO ONE IS STOPPING YOU from moving to your proverbial whiteopia. Who is stopping you from having white children? I constantly hear about how eastern Europe is going to save white people, but I see few alt-righters actually making the move.

    Maybe because they realize, at least instinctually, that Europeans are not equal, and that for the most part Slavic countries are corrupt shitholes.

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  137. I see all the worrying whites are out again raving on about intelligence.

    In case anyone hadn’t noticed we live in a meritocracy and all smartest guys in the room have been making the rules for quite some time. They all have CV’s as long as their lying Pinocchio noses and that is saying something.

    If the Chinese are so smart why do they butcher billions of their own unborn children, why are they turning their country into a pollution filled nightmare, why do they build cities no one lives in. The Chinese may be smart, but they are also terrified of what the guy above will do to them. Their pagan society like all pagan societies is characterized by vicious cruelty to their fellow man.

    In the west the smartest guys in the room were all socialists. Lakes, rivers, oceans of blood and bodies have followed these smartest guys.

    The trouble is all the smartest guys in the room are like the Grinch, they have hearts 4 sizes too small!

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  138. Your handle is very apropos, WTF, the Arabs didn’t invent the numerals, and especially, the zero. The Arabs were simply the middleman in that misunderstood affair… They call the number system they passed on to the Europeans by its rightful and proper name: The Hindu Numerals!

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  139. @neutral
    I keep hearing about these Asian superhumans, but then I keep reading about the greatest minds in the sciences, maths, etc, and I come across Gauss, Newton, Leibnitz, Euler, Ruthorford, Pascal, etc. Where are all these Asian superhumans ?

    Also, you see great many a musician who happened to be East Asians but they (the Orient) didn’t produce the likes of Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner, Strauss, Mendelssohn et al…

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    Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner, Strauss, Mendelssohn et al… are never my cup of tea, their music are noisy and unsophisticated. When Chinese producing sophisticated musical instruments like dual tone Bianzhong 4000 years ago, the West was in the era of animal skin nomads and music did not exist. But then even the modern Western youth does think those guys much, that's why all those people playing those old days music written those guys need government subsidies to survival.
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  140. @Godfree Roberts
    What misery did he cause, for whom, what were its lasting effects, and why?

    Millions of Chinese died, mostly in the countryside, due to deprivations caused by the Great Leap Forward. My family, who were landowners affiliated with the KMT, died to the Red Guard and there is much to be said of the cultural and environment devastation that was inflicted. Much of Confucian thought was lost, and as of now, the Chinese have basically become a highly materialistic society where most of the nuances of care have been lost. Things are getting much better now, but its hard not to deplore the excesses of Communist rule under Mao.

    Has China, in the end, stood up with him? Absolutely. For that, China owes a debt to the Great Helmsman. But China also owes a debt to Emperor Qin, yet we too can say that he was a terrible tyrant who destroyed much knowledge.

    Modern China owes more to Deng Xiaoping than Mao, if you ask me.

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    Millions of Chinese died, mostly in the countryside, due to deprivations caused by the Great Leap Forward?
    Millions of Chinese died every year under every government, warlord and invader. The excess deaths due to war and mass starvation ended under Mao and have never recurred. The USA imposed a grain embargo during the Three Bitter Years (an el Nino event) in hopes of starving millions to death and 30 years later claimed (and paid Frank Dikotter $2 million to 'prove' that they succeeded.
    But the CIA, which was extremely active inserting and extracting hundreds of agents into and out of China at the time, while it found famine, was unable to find any evidence of mass starvation as their reports indicate. At the height of the droughts and floods the Agency reported:

    4 April 1961: The Chinese Communist regime is now facing the most serious economic difficulties it has confronted since it consolidated its power over mainland China. As a result of economic mismanagement, and, especially, of two years of unfavorable weather, food production in 1960 was little if any larger than in 1957 at which time there were about 50 million fewer Chinese to feed. Widespread famine does not appear to be at hand, but in some provinces many people are now on a bare subsistence diet and the bitterest suffering lies imcriticstely ahead in the period before the June harvests. The dislocations caused by the ‘Leap Forward’ and the removal of Soviet technicians have disrupted China’s industrialization program. These difficulties have sharply reduced the rate of economic growth during 1960 and have created a serious balance of payments problem. Public morale, especially in rural areas, is almost certainly at its lowest point since the Communists assumed power, and there have been some instances of open dissidence.

    2 May 1962: The future course of events in Communist China will be shaped largely by three highly unpredictable variables: the wisdom and realism of the leadership, the level of agricultural output, and the nature and extent of foreign economic relations. During the past few years all three variables have worked against China. In 1958 the leadership adopted a series of ill-conceived and extremist economic and social programs; in 1959 there occurred the first of three years of bad crop weather; and in 1960 Soviet economic and technical cooperation was largely suspended. The combination of these three factors has brought economic chaos to the country. Malnutrition is widespread, foreign trade is down, and industrial production and development have dropped sharply. No quick recovery from the regime’s economic troubles is in sight”.

    In his book, A Curtain of Ignorance, author Felix Greene (Grahams’ cousin) tells of traveling through China in 1960 and, though rationing was tight, he saw no starvation:

    “In May 1962 an unusually large number of Chinese refugees flocked to Hong Kong…official British government statements attest to the fact that the refugees were not suffering from malnutrition, nor did any of them seek political asylum or claim that they were fleeing Communism as such. Food shortages and the general discomfort of life in this period were undoubtedly some of the causes for this exodus, but not starvation”. In The Times, April 18, 1962, he wrote, ‘With the establishment of the new government in Peking in 1949, two things happened. First, starvation–death by hunger–ceased in China. Food shortages, and severe ones, there have been; but no starvation. This is a fact fully documented by Western observers. How many Americans, for instance, would believe a report like this? The truth is that that the sufferings of the ordinary Chinese peasant from war, disorder and famine have been immeasurably less in the last decade than in any other decade in the century”.
     
    Historian Donping Han, who lost two grandparents to 'famine related illnesses' at the time, went back and investigated. Here's what he found:

    “I interviewed numerous workers and farmers in Shandong and Henan and never met one who said that Mao was bad. I talked to a scholar in Anhui who grew up in rural areas and had done research there. He never met one farmer that said Mao was bad nor a farmer who said Deng Xiaoping was good…Of the ten biggest reservoirs in China today, nine were built during the Great Leap. The billion cubic meter Xinfengjiang Reservoir was a source of great national pride; with an average of ten cubic meters of clean water for every Chinese citizen, it generated billions of kilowatts of electricity, powered China’s rural and urban development and played a vital role in flood control and irrigation for an entire region, to the degree that Guangdong and Hong Kong depend on it to this day. In only three years the Great Leap increased coal production 36 percent, textile production 30 per cent and electricity generation 26 per cent. Of all the industrial projects China launched over the next 15 years, two-thirds were founded during the Great Leap Forward and increased fixed national industrial assets by 862 billion yuan. Without that foundation it’s hard to imagine China’s subsequent rapid progress”.
     
    As to your family's losses to the Red Guard, and the reasons for that, we would have to go back and investigate. In any case, they were not caused by Mao, whose instructions about the non-violent nature of the CR were explicit.
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  141. @Sunbeam
    "I have a theory that suppression of knowledge for societal harmony is at least a large part of Chinese lack of innovation; historically, China has a number of inventions but very few that actually became prolific. "

    I'm not a scholar dedicated to studying cultures and history.

    But it is insane the number of technologies that were developed in China, that nothing much was ever done with till they were reinvented or found their way to the West.

    One really odd factoid though, apparently screws were unknown in China. (The threaded fastener kind.) They were first used by the Romans, but I'm not sure they were used by the Chinese until over a thousand years later.

    Maybe it takes a nascent machining industry to do those (though I've seen people make them by hand), but they seem reachable to make by a smith, though maybe not in mass production quantity.

    One of those things like stirrups, that you see for the first time, then smack yourself in the head and say "Duh, why didn't anyone think of this before?" (Stirrups weren't used till after 500 AD or so, despite thousands of years of horse use.)

    Hahaha. Just looked up stirrups. Invented in China about the first century AD, spread West via the usual nomadic horsemen. Wonder if China ever had anything like Lancers. They were used and were useful in combat till - well WWI really. Had a good long run even after gunpowder, till that war. Not sure why they weren't used by the US (though the Union actually had some Pikemen during the Civil War - at least at the beginning). But the Europeans used the hell out of them for along time, Winged Hussars, Hussars, etc.

    China had a tendency to recognize the dangers of advanced technology in being unusually disruptive; for example, that widespread and powerful firearms would result in empowering the population versus the government. Such knowledge would thus be suppressed, and efforts were made to maintain “secret recipes” rather than focus on mass production. That would result in a lot of loss of technology.

    Incidentally, something like that seems to have happened to the American Apollo program, evidently the scale models have been destroyed, data deleted and enough experts have died such that we don’t know how to send people to the moon anymore. We’ll have to rediscover some things if we are to do another Apollo program.

    Every time advanced technology is cosigned to secrecy, it also seems to become easy to be forgotten.

    Europe tended not to be so “far-sighted” in realizing the disruptive effects of technology, resulting in the misery of many a king and an ever more powerful and restive population, but it worked out better for them as a whole.

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    Incidentally, something like that seems to have happened to the American Apollo program, evidently the scale models have been destroyed, data deleted and enough experts have died such that we don’t know how to send people to the moon anymore. We’ll have to rediscover some things if we are to do another Apollo program.
     
    Sounds like they hid the figures. Puttin' whitey on the moon stupid anyway. They can use all those computers and sh** to predict who fit to win the powerball.
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  142. @Daniel Chieh
    Millions of Chinese died, mostly in the countryside, due to deprivations caused by the Great Leap Forward. My family, who were landowners affiliated with the KMT, died to the Red Guard and there is much to be said of the cultural and environment devastation that was inflicted. Much of Confucian thought was lost, and as of now, the Chinese have basically become a highly materialistic society where most of the nuances of care have been lost. Things are getting much better now, but its hard not to deplore the excesses of Communist rule under Mao.

    Has China, in the end, stood up with him? Absolutely. For that, China owes a debt to the Great Helmsman. But China also owes a debt to Emperor Qin, yet we too can say that he was a terrible tyrant who destroyed much knowledge.

    Modern China owes more to Deng Xiaoping than Mao, if you ask me.

    Millions of Chinese died, mostly in the countryside, due to deprivations caused by the Great Leap Forward?
    Millions of Chinese died every year under every government, warlord and invader. The excess deaths due to war and mass starvation ended under Mao and have never recurred. The USA imposed a grain embargo during the Three Bitter Years (an el Nino event) in hopes of starving millions to death and 30 years later claimed (and paid Frank Dikotter $2 million to ‘prove’ that they succeeded.
    But the CIA, which was extremely active inserting and extracting hundreds of agents into and out of China at the time, while it found famine, was unable to find any evidence of mass starvation as their reports indicate. At the height of the droughts and floods the Agency reported:

    4 April 1961: The Chinese Communist regime is now facing the most serious economic difficulties it has confronted since it consolidated its power over mainland China. As a result of economic mismanagement, and, especially, of two years of unfavorable weather, food production in 1960 was little if any larger than in 1957 at which time there were about 50 million fewer Chinese to feed. Widespread famine does not appear to be at hand, but in some provinces many people are now on a bare subsistence diet and the bitterest suffering lies imcriticstely ahead in the period before the June harvests. The dislocations caused by the ‘Leap Forward’ and the removal of Soviet technicians have disrupted China’s industrialization program. These difficulties have sharply reduced the rate of economic growth during 1960 and have created a serious balance of payments problem. Public morale, especially in rural areas, is almost certainly at its lowest point since the Communists assumed power, and there have been some instances of open dissidence.

    2 May 1962: The future course of events in Communist China will be shaped largely by three highly unpredictable variables: the wisdom and realism of the leadership, the level of agricultural output, and the nature and extent of foreign economic relations. During the past few years all three variables have worked against China. In 1958 the leadership adopted a series of ill-conceived and extremist economic and social programs; in 1959 there occurred the first of three years of bad crop weather; and in 1960 Soviet economic and technical cooperation was largely suspended. The combination of these three factors has brought economic chaos to the country. Malnutrition is widespread, foreign trade is down, and industrial production and development have dropped sharply. No quick recovery from the regime’s economic troubles is in sight”.

    In his book, A Curtain of Ignorance, author Felix Greene (Grahams’ cousin) tells of traveling through China in 1960 and, though rationing was tight, he saw no starvation:

    “In May 1962 an unusually large number of Chinese refugees flocked to Hong Kong…official British government statements attest to the fact that the refugees were not suffering from malnutrition, nor did any of them seek political asylum or claim that they were fleeing Communism as such. Food shortages and the general discomfort of life in this period were undoubtedly some of the causes for this exodus, but not starvation”. In The Times, April 18, 1962, he wrote, ‘With the establishment of the new government in Peking in 1949, two things happened. First, starvation–death by hunger–ceased in China. Food shortages, and severe ones, there have been; but no starvation. This is a fact fully documented by Western observers. How many Americans, for instance, would believe a report like this? The truth is that that the sufferings of the ordinary Chinese peasant from war, disorder and famine have been immeasurably less in the last decade than in any other decade in the century”.

    Historian Donping Han, who lost two grandparents to ‘famine related illnesses’ at the time, went back and investigated. Here’s what he found:

    “I interviewed numerous workers and farmers in Shandong and Henan and never met one who said that Mao was bad. I talked to a scholar in Anhui who grew up in rural areas and had done research there. He never met one farmer that said Mao was bad nor a farmer who said Deng Xiaoping was good…Of the ten biggest reservoirs in China today, nine were built during the Great Leap. The billion cubic meter Xinfengjiang Reservoir was a source of great national pride; with an average of ten cubic meters of clean water for every Chinese citizen, it generated billions of kilowatts of electricity, powered China’s rural and urban development and played a vital role in flood control and irrigation for an entire region, to the degree that Guangdong and Hong Kong depend on it to this day. In only three years the Great Leap increased coal production 36 percent, textile production 30 per cent and electricity generation 26 per cent. Of all the industrial projects China launched over the next 15 years, two-thirds were founded during the Great Leap Forward and increased fixed national industrial assets by 862 billion yuan. Without that foundation it’s hard to imagine China’s subsequent rapid progress”.

    As to your family’s losses to the Red Guard, and the reasons for that, we would have to go back and investigate. In any case, they were not caused by Mao, whose instructions about the non-violent nature of the CR were explicit.

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    As to your family’s losses to the Red Guard, and the reasons for that, we would have to go back and investigate.
     
    That's pretty rude, even for the internet.

    You, Godfree Roberts, clearly won't acknowledge any excesses by the communist Chinese, and offer up the usual excuses for their performance.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    I'm going to say that there is a lot of propaganda and even your sources have mentioned excesses - certainly Mao Zedong might not have approved of the excesses of the Red Guard, but it was quite clear that at some point what was happening, and there wasn't much to be done to stop it. Like I said, I consider him up there with Emperor Qin - he served an important purpose for China, but there was a lot of suffering. Certainly much of it was caused by external forces, but let's not forget the stated aims of the CR against "feudalism" and the sheer amount of cultural destruction it causes. Even today, China has a culture of getting ahead at all costs, and I largely blame the consequences of the CR for it.

    I don't disagree with you with on many things.

    I think the gaokao is an effective method of selecting governance. I do think that China has prospered under a more authoritarian government, and feel that India could have probably done better under the same. I mock the increasingly abysmal results of Taiwan and South Korea for their excesses in democracy as well, and for their welcoming embrace of liberalism. Though my family was KMT, I yearn for when Taiwan is "special economic province of China" and no longer "renegade island" under an increasingly pozzed population.

    But I think you'll find that many Chinese do not credit Chairman Mao or even the Party with perfection, and certainly not the system of Communism of "everyone eating from the same pot." After Chairman Deng, when "getting rich was glorious" and when the Chinese were allowed to live off our mercenary characteristics, work hard and compete ruthlessly inter-province and then internationally, is when China actually prospered.

    If China succeeds, if China becomes triumphant, then China has prospered for allowing her to be Chinese. Not by trying to mimic the failures of Soviet Communism or by the failures of Western Democracy. She can take the lessons from both without losing her own self.

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  143. bomag says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    Millions of Chinese died, mostly in the countryside, due to deprivations caused by the Great Leap Forward?
    Millions of Chinese died every year under every government, warlord and invader. The excess deaths due to war and mass starvation ended under Mao and have never recurred. The USA imposed a grain embargo during the Three Bitter Years (an el Nino event) in hopes of starving millions to death and 30 years later claimed (and paid Frank Dikotter $2 million to 'prove' that they succeeded.
    But the CIA, which was extremely active inserting and extracting hundreds of agents into and out of China at the time, while it found famine, was unable to find any evidence of mass starvation as their reports indicate. At the height of the droughts and floods the Agency reported:

    4 April 1961: The Chinese Communist regime is now facing the most serious economic difficulties it has confronted since it consolidated its power over mainland China. As a result of economic mismanagement, and, especially, of two years of unfavorable weather, food production in 1960 was little if any larger than in 1957 at which time there were about 50 million fewer Chinese to feed. Widespread famine does not appear to be at hand, but in some provinces many people are now on a bare subsistence diet and the bitterest suffering lies imcriticstely ahead in the period before the June harvests. The dislocations caused by the ‘Leap Forward’ and the removal of Soviet technicians have disrupted China’s industrialization program. These difficulties have sharply reduced the rate of economic growth during 1960 and have created a serious balance of payments problem. Public morale, especially in rural areas, is almost certainly at its lowest point since the Communists assumed power, and there have been some instances of open dissidence.

    2 May 1962: The future course of events in Communist China will be shaped largely by three highly unpredictable variables: the wisdom and realism of the leadership, the level of agricultural output, and the nature and extent of foreign economic relations. During the past few years all three variables have worked against China. In 1958 the leadership adopted a series of ill-conceived and extremist economic and social programs; in 1959 there occurred the first of three years of bad crop weather; and in 1960 Soviet economic and technical cooperation was largely suspended. The combination of these three factors has brought economic chaos to the country. Malnutrition is widespread, foreign trade is down, and industrial production and development have dropped sharply. No quick recovery from the regime’s economic troubles is in sight”.

    In his book, A Curtain of Ignorance, author Felix Greene (Grahams’ cousin) tells of traveling through China in 1960 and, though rationing was tight, he saw no starvation:

    “In May 1962 an unusually large number of Chinese refugees flocked to Hong Kong…official British government statements attest to the fact that the refugees were not suffering from malnutrition, nor did any of them seek political asylum or claim that they were fleeing Communism as such. Food shortages and the general discomfort of life in this period were undoubtedly some of the causes for this exodus, but not starvation”. In The Times, April 18, 1962, he wrote, ‘With the establishment of the new government in Peking in 1949, two things happened. First, starvation–death by hunger–ceased in China. Food shortages, and severe ones, there have been; but no starvation. This is a fact fully documented by Western observers. How many Americans, for instance, would believe a report like this? The truth is that that the sufferings of the ordinary Chinese peasant from war, disorder and famine have been immeasurably less in the last decade than in any other decade in the century”.
     
    Historian Donping Han, who lost two grandparents to 'famine related illnesses' at the time, went back and investigated. Here's what he found:

    “I interviewed numerous workers and farmers in Shandong and Henan and never met one who said that Mao was bad. I talked to a scholar in Anhui who grew up in rural areas and had done research there. He never met one farmer that said Mao was bad nor a farmer who said Deng Xiaoping was good…Of the ten biggest reservoirs in China today, nine were built during the Great Leap. The billion cubic meter Xinfengjiang Reservoir was a source of great national pride; with an average of ten cubic meters of clean water for every Chinese citizen, it generated billions of kilowatts of electricity, powered China’s rural and urban development and played a vital role in flood control and irrigation for an entire region, to the degree that Guangdong and Hong Kong depend on it to this day. In only three years the Great Leap increased coal production 36 percent, textile production 30 per cent and electricity generation 26 per cent. Of all the industrial projects China launched over the next 15 years, two-thirds were founded during the Great Leap Forward and increased fixed national industrial assets by 862 billion yuan. Without that foundation it’s hard to imagine China’s subsequent rapid progress”.
     
    As to your family's losses to the Red Guard, and the reasons for that, we would have to go back and investigate. In any case, they were not caused by Mao, whose instructions about the non-violent nature of the CR were explicit.

    As to your family’s losses to the Red Guard, and the reasons for that, we would have to go back and investigate.

    That’s pretty rude, even for the internet.

    You, Godfree Roberts, clearly won’t acknowledge any excesses by the communist Chinese, and offer up the usual excuses for their performance.

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    Rude? What's rude about suggesting that we investigate the circumstances of the deaths of the anonymous relatives of an anonymous commenter? Are we supposed to take on faith such unsubstantiated claims?

    There were 38,000 deaths during the Cultural Revolution, including President Xi's sister and, nearly, his father. Circumstances matter and shine light on the broad phenomenon of the revolution.
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  144. bomag says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    Would have happened under any leadership but didn't. China had been trying for 100 years to modernized, but failed completely. India, a much richer nation, unharmed by WWII, is still trying.

    The gains and growth all occurred under Mao, who grew China's economy at an average of 6.2% a year from 1949 to 1975. No national leader in history can compare to the material gains he brought China.

    Edgar Snow saw it clearly back in 1937:

    “You know in one sense you can think of the whole history of the Communist movement on China as a grand propaganda tour, and the defence, not so much of the absolute right of certain ideas, perhaps, as of their right to exist. I’m not sure that it may not prove to have been the most permanent service of the Reds, even if they are in the end defeated and broken…

    “However badly they have erred at times, however tragic have been their excesses, however exaggerated has been the emphasis here or the stress there, it has been their sincere and sharply felt propaganda aim to shake, to arouse, the millions of rural China to their responsibilities in society; to awaken them to a belief in human rights, to combat the timidity, passiveness and static faiths of Taoism and Confucianism, to educate, to persuade and, I have no doubt, at times to beleaguer and coerce them to fight for ‘the reign of the people’ – a new vision in rural China – to fight for a life of justice, equality, freedom and human dignity, as the Communists see it. Far more than all the pious but meaningless resolutions passed at Nanking [the Kuomintang capital], this growing pressure now from a peasantry gradually standing erect in a state of consciousness, after two millenniums of sleep, may force the realisation of a vast mutation over the land.”

    Look at China today. Clearly, Mao succeeded where everyone else failed.

    Would have happened under any leadership but didn’t. China had been trying for 100 years to modernized, but failed completely. India, a much richer nation, unharmed by WWII, is still trying.

    What crap. India has done well enough, but go ahead and tell us how great they would have done under communism.

    The Chinese in Hong Kong; Singapore; Taiwan; and the diaspora community did quite well without Mao’s hand up their ass, but go ahead and tell us about the economic growth and social contentment they missed out on from not having an awesome leader like Mao to arrange things. Then you can go on and tell us that North Korea, East Germany, and Cuba are/were shining examples of how countries should be run in comparison to those around them, so we better get our minds right, fall on our knees, and realize the awesomeness of Communism and the leaders who implemented that wonderful system.

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    India has done fairly well?

    It has provided toilets for 38% of its people.

    It has provided running water for 36% of its people.

    5,000 Indian Children Starve to Death Every Day. http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2012/09/13/almost-5000-indian-children-die-daily/

    230,000,000 Indians go hungry every day. That's two hundred and thirty million. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Superpower-230-million-Indians-go-hungry-daily/articleshow/11494502.cms

    The Chinese in Hong Kong, Singapore and Taiwan thrived because they were supported by the US and the UK, while China was placed under a 20-year embargo, including a grain embargo with the aim of starving the people into submission.

    Tell us that North Korea, East Germany, and Cuba are/were shining examples North Korea is a tiny, impoverished state that was firebombed to the ground by the USA and has been under embargo ever since, yet has survived and preserved the only sign of Korean independence.

    Today, a majority of East Germans who lived under Communism say their lives were better then–despite an embargo and endless attempts to destabilize the country. And Cuba has the highest quality of life in Latin America and is independent despite an ongoing, murderous embargo.
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  145. @bomag

    As to your family’s losses to the Red Guard, and the reasons for that, we would have to go back and investigate.
     
    That's pretty rude, even for the internet.

    You, Godfree Roberts, clearly won't acknowledge any excesses by the communist Chinese, and offer up the usual excuses for their performance.

    Rude? What’s rude about suggesting that we investigate the circumstances of the deaths of the anonymous relatives of an anonymous commenter? Are we supposed to take on faith such unsubstantiated claims?

    There were 38,000 deaths during the Cultural Revolution, including President Xi’s sister and, nearly, his father. Circumstances matter and shine light on the broad phenomenon of the revolution.

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  146. @bomag

    Would have happened under any leadership but didn’t. China had been trying for 100 years to modernized, but failed completely. India, a much richer nation, unharmed by WWII, is still trying.
     
    What crap. India has done well enough, but go ahead and tell us how great they would have done under communism.

    The Chinese in Hong Kong; Singapore; Taiwan; and the diaspora community did quite well without Mao's hand up their ass, but go ahead and tell us about the economic growth and social contentment they missed out on from not having an awesome leader like Mao to arrange things. Then you can go on and tell us that North Korea, East Germany, and Cuba are/were shining examples of how countries should be run in comparison to those around them, so we better get our minds right, fall on our knees, and realize the awesomeness of Communism and the leaders who implemented that wonderful system.

    India has done fairly well?

    It has provided toilets for 38% of its people.

    It has provided running water for 36% of its people.

    5,000 Indian Children Starve to Death Every Day. http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2012/09/13/almost-5000-indian-children-die-daily/

    230,000,000 Indians go hungry every day. That’s two hundred and thirty million. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Superpower-230-million-Indians-go-hungry-daily/articleshow/11494502.cms

    The Chinese in Hong Kong, Singapore and Taiwan thrived because they were supported by the US and the UK, while China was placed under a 20-year embargo, including a grain embargo with the aim of starving the people into submission.

    Tell us that North Korea, East Germany, and Cuba are/were shining examples North Korea is a tiny, impoverished state that was firebombed to the ground by the USA and has been under embargo ever since, yet has survived and preserved the only sign of Korean independence.

    Today, a majority of East Germans who lived under Communism say their lives were better then–despite an embargo and endless attempts to destabilize the country. And Cuba has the highest quality of life in Latin America and is independent despite an ongoing, murderous embargo.

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    The highest quality of life in Latin America is in, Chile,Argentina and Uruguay
    , @bomag
    This is more crap and I suspect that you are a troll.

    I grew up around people who didn't have indoor plumbing. Life was fine.

    You discount the stats about China's suffering under Mao. The same discount can be applied to your stats about India, Cuba, and East Germany.

    And you offer the usual wind-up excuses about embargoes and economic support I've heard a zillion times from the cult Left. As a comparison, South Africa back in the day was one of the most embargoed countries, and they managed to maintain first world status.

    You came on here lauding the economic performance of communist China; but when challenged you start backpedaling and blaming the US for not having the proper policy that would have let them soar, soar! high into the sky.

    , @DerSohndesAllvaters
    I happen to live in the former East Germany. I haven't met anyone who has said it was better. The best I have gotten was, "It wasn't all bad." I deal with former East Germans daily.
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  147. @Sunbeam
    Do you really feel you know the history of Chinese thought, what was going on there from about 4000 BC say to feel comfortable with that statement?

    Anytime I've looked, I've found names I've never heard of, ideas I'd never heard. Christ inventions and technologies I had no idea were done that early.

    And there is a lot of it. Pulling the string on that area just leads to more strings.

    Heck to this day I occasionally see a Greek referenced I'd never heard of before, and feel compelled to do the google/wiki thing.

    And you are talking about China? The place (with a wildly fluctuating map though), and probably about 10 times Greece's highest populations at times of utter nadir?

    You know reading my own text, I think people may think I am obsessed with China, forgetting there are other areas and groups in Asia. Thing is though, China is like Godzilla. There are just far more Chinese than there ever have been other groups, and it was their hand that stirred the waters.

    I'm not going to argue with you about your claim concerning the Greek period. But I'm not so sure you know Chinese history well enough to make a strong claim. I sure don't, but I know there is an assload of stuff that was going on there that is unknown or obscure but to specialists in the West.

    I suspect you’d enjoy reading (or at least browsing) Joseph Needham’s monumental seven volume set Science and Civilization in China.

    Compare Lao Tzu and the Tao Te Ching with Heraclitus and what we have of his writings. They were essentially contemporaries (6th century b.c.e) and shared a metaphysical/philosophical point of view that stands in sharp contrast to the Abrahamic religions and their monotheistic metaphysics. In places where taoist/zen metaphysics have prevailed or at least been widely known, it is very likely that persons of high intelligence or genius as we measure such things was less inclined to pursue the materialist/comforts/conveniences model dominant in the West for millenia.

    I’m a certified genius, but thanks to an early (over 50 yrs now) exposure to and extensive study of Chinese and Japanese metaphysics/philosophy (taoism and zen), I never became particularly acquisitive or driven by materialism, believing as I do that wealth is owning one’s time as opposed to goods. I like my comforts and conveniences as much as the next guy, but within limits, given that beyond those limits they tend to become distractions from the immediate experiences of living. I suspect that there was no shortage of “high i.q.” Asians during the rise of the West, but given different values, they placed less emphasis on technology. The Chinese had invented the fore-and-aft rigged sailing ship 12 centuries before it appeared in the West, yet they never became a sea power, not for lack of ability but rather for lack of interest.

    The idea of a “super race” (hopefully written in jest) is so silly that it tends to discredit anyone who sincerely takes it seriously; I doubt Fred does.

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  148. @anonymous coward

    Citation needed.
     
    You don't need citations for something that is trivially observable with your own eyes.

    Also, the oldest homo sapiens archeological artifacts are found in Europe and are genetically 'white'.

    Citation needed.

    White skin didn’t evolve until 6500 ya. Sorry to burst your bubble.

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  149. republic says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    India has done fairly well?

    It has provided toilets for 38% of its people.

    It has provided running water for 36% of its people.

    5,000 Indian Children Starve to Death Every Day. http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2012/09/13/almost-5000-indian-children-die-daily/

    230,000,000 Indians go hungry every day. That's two hundred and thirty million. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Superpower-230-million-Indians-go-hungry-daily/articleshow/11494502.cms

    The Chinese in Hong Kong, Singapore and Taiwan thrived because they were supported by the US and the UK, while China was placed under a 20-year embargo, including a grain embargo with the aim of starving the people into submission.

    Tell us that North Korea, East Germany, and Cuba are/were shining examples North Korea is a tiny, impoverished state that was firebombed to the ground by the USA and has been under embargo ever since, yet has survived and preserved the only sign of Korean independence.

    Today, a majority of East Germans who lived under Communism say their lives were better then–despite an embargo and endless attempts to destabilize the country. And Cuba has the highest quality of life in Latin America and is independent despite an ongoing, murderous embargo.

    The highest quality of life in Latin America is in, Chile,Argentina and Uruguay

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    Check the life expectancy, infant mortality and maternal mortality in Chile,Argentina and Uruguay
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  150. rw95 says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Negrolphin Pool has answered better than I can, but its pretty obvious that freedom of association isn't legal. Its easily one of the most senseless things as it forces people to associate with those they would prefer not to, and undermines a number of synergies that come from having a common group.

    As for the rest of your ramble, I can view things in other ways than self-interest. Yes, I'm aware that most of them would rather if I was gone. This doesn't mean that they don't have a point.

    So when are you going back to China?

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    Hey rw95,

    Probably when I move to Karachi, or Kuala Lumpur or Alexandria - when our families receive official notice with a Federal stamp that the citizens of the US have spoken and decided to revoke our citizenship and right of residency. We're discussing theory and principles here.

    Peace.
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  151. @Godfree Roberts
    Millions of Chinese died, mostly in the countryside, due to deprivations caused by the Great Leap Forward?
    Millions of Chinese died every year under every government, warlord and invader. The excess deaths due to war and mass starvation ended under Mao and have never recurred. The USA imposed a grain embargo during the Three Bitter Years (an el Nino event) in hopes of starving millions to death and 30 years later claimed (and paid Frank Dikotter $2 million to 'prove' that they succeeded.
    But the CIA, which was extremely active inserting and extracting hundreds of agents into and out of China at the time, while it found famine, was unable to find any evidence of mass starvation as their reports indicate. At the height of the droughts and floods the Agency reported:

    4 April 1961: The Chinese Communist regime is now facing the most serious economic difficulties it has confronted since it consolidated its power over mainland China. As a result of economic mismanagement, and, especially, of two years of unfavorable weather, food production in 1960 was little if any larger than in 1957 at which time there were about 50 million fewer Chinese to feed. Widespread famine does not appear to be at hand, but in some provinces many people are now on a bare subsistence diet and the bitterest suffering lies imcriticstely ahead in the period before the June harvests. The dislocations caused by the ‘Leap Forward’ and the removal of Soviet technicians have disrupted China’s industrialization program. These difficulties have sharply reduced the rate of economic growth during 1960 and have created a serious balance of payments problem. Public morale, especially in rural areas, is almost certainly at its lowest point since the Communists assumed power, and there have been some instances of open dissidence.

    2 May 1962: The future course of events in Communist China will be shaped largely by three highly unpredictable variables: the wisdom and realism of the leadership, the level of agricultural output, and the nature and extent of foreign economic relations. During the past few years all three variables have worked against China. In 1958 the leadership adopted a series of ill-conceived and extremist economic and social programs; in 1959 there occurred the first of three years of bad crop weather; and in 1960 Soviet economic and technical cooperation was largely suspended. The combination of these three factors has brought economic chaos to the country. Malnutrition is widespread, foreign trade is down, and industrial production and development have dropped sharply. No quick recovery from the regime’s economic troubles is in sight”.

    In his book, A Curtain of Ignorance, author Felix Greene (Grahams’ cousin) tells of traveling through China in 1960 and, though rationing was tight, he saw no starvation:

    “In May 1962 an unusually large number of Chinese refugees flocked to Hong Kong…official British government statements attest to the fact that the refugees were not suffering from malnutrition, nor did any of them seek political asylum or claim that they were fleeing Communism as such. Food shortages and the general discomfort of life in this period were undoubtedly some of the causes for this exodus, but not starvation”. In The Times, April 18, 1962, he wrote, ‘With the establishment of the new government in Peking in 1949, two things happened. First, starvation–death by hunger–ceased in China. Food shortages, and severe ones, there have been; but no starvation. This is a fact fully documented by Western observers. How many Americans, for instance, would believe a report like this? The truth is that that the sufferings of the ordinary Chinese peasant from war, disorder and famine have been immeasurably less in the last decade than in any other decade in the century”.
     
    Historian Donping Han, who lost two grandparents to 'famine related illnesses' at the time, went back and investigated. Here's what he found:

    “I interviewed numerous workers and farmers in Shandong and Henan and never met one who said that Mao was bad. I talked to a scholar in Anhui who grew up in rural areas and had done research there. He never met one farmer that said Mao was bad nor a farmer who said Deng Xiaoping was good…Of the ten biggest reservoirs in China today, nine were built during the Great Leap. The billion cubic meter Xinfengjiang Reservoir was a source of great national pride; with an average of ten cubic meters of clean water for every Chinese citizen, it generated billions of kilowatts of electricity, powered China’s rural and urban development and played a vital role in flood control and irrigation for an entire region, to the degree that Guangdong and Hong Kong depend on it to this day. In only three years the Great Leap increased coal production 36 percent, textile production 30 per cent and electricity generation 26 per cent. Of all the industrial projects China launched over the next 15 years, two-thirds were founded during the Great Leap Forward and increased fixed national industrial assets by 862 billion yuan. Without that foundation it’s hard to imagine China’s subsequent rapid progress”.
     
    As to your family's losses to the Red Guard, and the reasons for that, we would have to go back and investigate. In any case, they were not caused by Mao, whose instructions about the non-violent nature of the CR were explicit.

    I’m going to say that there is a lot of propaganda and even your sources have mentioned excesses – certainly Mao Zedong might not have approved of the excesses of the Red Guard, but it was quite clear that at some point what was happening, and there wasn’t much to be done to stop it. Like I said, I consider him up there with Emperor Qin – he served an important purpose for China, but there was a lot of suffering. Certainly much of it was caused by external forces, but let’s not forget the stated aims of the CR against “feudalism” and the sheer amount of cultural destruction it causes. Even today, China has a culture of getting ahead at all costs, and I largely blame the consequences of the CR for it.

    I don’t disagree with you with on many things.

    I think the gaokao is an effective method of selecting governance. I do think that China has prospered under a more authoritarian government, and feel that India could have probably done better under the same. I mock the increasingly abysmal results of Taiwan and South Korea for their excesses in democracy as well, and for their welcoming embrace of liberalism. Though my family was KMT, I yearn for when Taiwan is “special economic province of China” and no longer “renegade island” under an increasingly pozzed population.

    But I think you’ll find that many Chinese do not credit Chairman Mao or even the Party with perfection, and certainly not the system of Communism of “everyone eating from the same pot.” After Chairman Deng, when “getting rich was glorious” and when the Chinese were allowed to live off our mercenary characteristics, work hard and compete ruthlessly inter-province and then internationally, is when China actually prospered.

    If China succeeds, if China becomes triumphant, then China has prospered for allowing her to be Chinese. Not by trying to mimic the failures of Soviet Communism or by the failures of Western Democracy. She can take the lessons from both without losing her own self.

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    Have you read this? http://www.rupe-india.org/59/han.html
    , @Negrolphin Pool

    Though my family was KMT
     
    That quirky transliteration system you use in your name gives it away.
    , @dfordoom

    I do think that China has prospered under a more authoritarian government
     
    China is very fortunate to have spared from the madness of democracy. I hope for their sake they continue to resist the pressure to commit national suicide by democratising and liberalising.
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  152. rw95 says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    You failed to answer my first question.

    Here's another: Should whites be allowed to act like Jews and other groups who lobby for their own people and seek to preserve their people and culture?

    Do you believe that Israel should be allowed to remain a Jewish state?

    Regarding Jews and the Alt-right, you are correct. We never shut about them because we recognize the hypocrisy and respect their willingness to fight for their own. I simply want whites to act like Jews. I certainly don't hate them. I use them as a model.

    Perhaps this is all just a definition thing. If you prefer to use the phrase white nationalist or white identity to describe people like me instead of Alt-Right, go ahead. But I'm telling you in all honesty, my philosophy isn't based on hate. I just want white to have the right be with their own if they choose. That's it. It really is about love of my own people, not hatred for others. Not sure why you can't accept that.

    And I’ll tell you again to cut the crap, saying your ideology is not based on hate. It IS based on hate. Hatred of blacks, hatred of Jews, hatred of anybody who isn’t white.

    NO ONE IS STOPPING YOU from moving to your proverbial whiteopia. Who is stopping you from having white children? I constantly hear about how eastern Europe is going to save white people, but I see few alt-righters actually making the move.

    Maybe because they realize, at least instinctually, that Europeans are not equal, and that for the most part Slavic countries are corrupt shitholes.

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    NO ONE IS STOPPING YOU from moving to your proverbial whiteopia. Who is stopping you from having white children? I constantly hear about how eastern Europe is going to save white people, but I see few alt-righters actually making the move.
     
    The primary concern is with preserving what whiteopias there are and restoring those that were, the entire pre-1960s U.S. being exemplary. The Alt-Right arguments about declining fertility have to do with creating incentives which encourage white fertility in white lands while discouraging that of other races there.

    Surely, you can see that incentives are supreme in this equation? The race that produced the baby boomers didn't devolve into a non-self-replicating, extinction-bound species in two generations. Non replacement fertility is probably an even less likely genetic advent than flight in previously land-dwelling animals. Over an entire population it's impossible in two generations without exogenous shocks. The declining white fertility rate is 100% environmental, i.e. incentives-based.

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  153. rw95 says:
    @Negrolphin Pool
    Restrictive covenants are illegal, as are most forms of discrimination. How can one be discriminating when it's incriminating?

    Truth said it best:

    “Nobody is telling you where you can and cannot live; it’s just that you don’t get to tell anyone else where he can and cannot live.”

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    Repeated nonsense doesn't make it any truer. The inability to guard boundaries means that boundaries can't exist, and therefore you have no freedom to association: you can't choose to associate with only the people you want.

    And that is, and remains ridiculous.

    Restore freedom of association and I suspect that at least half if not more of the Alt-Right will be happy, and you'll see remarkably little "hate" or "supremacy" involved.
    , @Negrolphin Pool

    Nobody is telling you where you can and cannot live; it’s just that you don’t get to tell anyone else where he can and cannot live.
     
    It should be clear that any property owner should have the right to deny anyone he chooses the ability to live on his premises. It's less clear that a right to restrict or prevent ownership of property, especially by those who themselves are not current owners of that property, should be considered just, as in the case of restrictive covenants.

    But, in fact, such restrictions are commonplace. Every city has zoning ordinances. You generally can't build a high-rise in a subdivision. In that case, a certain class of owners, namely commercial property managers, are restricted from owning that class of property by a consensus of other property owners, even though they don't control and have no immediate interest in the parcel in question.

    Another example would be not being able to move a family of four into a space in a strip mall. Again, the ownership has been restricted by a local consensus in order to further the public good.

    A restrictive covenant, then, is nothing more than a zoning ordinance.

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  154. Svigor says:

    And I’ll tell you again to cut the crap, saying your ideology is not based on hate. It IS based on hate. Hatred of blacks, hatred of Jews, hatred of anybody who isn’t white.

    Leftists always project.

    Truth said it best:

    Until I debunked him.

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  155. Svigor says:

    Lefties love to talk about these mythical “white communities” in America. Where are they? I know where to find Jewish communities. I can point them out on a map. Where are these “white communities”? Point them out on a map.

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    Whitefish, Montana, Dicky Spencer's stomping grounds, which as of the 2010 census was approximately 96% white:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitefish,_Montana#2010_census

    The state of Montana remains roughly 90% white.
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  156. Svigor says:

    How realistic is your plan, considering that America is a land of mutts? What is your starting point? Who is in charge of this separation? What are the political and economic considerations here? How do you propose to handle those individuals and groups of people who will oppose this plan?

    I suppose there were a lot of these questions before the American Revolution. White men sorted it all out, after the fighting was done. I don’t recall anyone holding up the Revolution, to wait for the pencil-pushers to hash out every detail first.

    Your attempt to put the cart (details) before the horse (basic consensus as to goal among sufficient constituency) is cute and all, but that’s about it.

    I can just see some Redcoat shyster now, standing in the road before Washington’s Army: “you lot can’t conduct a revolution! You don’t have your paperwork in order yet!”

    It’s even funnier today, viewing the great steaming pile of shit that the American System has become.

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  157. @rw95
    Truth said it best:

    "Nobody is telling you where you can and cannot live; it’s just that you don’t get to tell anyone else where he can and cannot live."

    Repeated nonsense doesn’t make it any truer. The inability to guard boundaries means that boundaries can’t exist, and therefore you have no freedom to association: you can’t choose to associate with only the people you want.

    And that is, and remains ridiculous.

    Restore freedom of association and I suspect that at least half if not more of the Alt-Right will be happy, and you’ll see remarkably little “hate” or “supremacy” involved.

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    Tell me again how white people are being forced to date, marry or otherwise associate with non-white people if they otherwise don't wish to?

    Oh wait, that's right. They aren't.

    For the record, I do not agree with section 8 housing, which DOES violate freedom of association. But a black family who can afford to move to a white neighborhood and who choose to do so have every right to do so.
    , @Truth
    Maybe, somehow my comments were misunderstood, which is strange because your English seems perfect. I don't know any Mandarin or Cantonese, so I will retry:

    You are free to associate with anyone you want. If you buy a piece of property, YOU get to say who comes upon it and who does not. You get to say whom your friends are, whom you marry, etc. Therefore, there is "freedom of association."

    Now in the fantasy world in which you are living, who gets to be the arbiter? Who gets to say, "I don't like Chinks, so pick up Chink Chieh, and send him back with the other Chinks"?

    Is this what you are arguing for?
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  158. Gene Su says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    It does seem a proportion of the force behind the alt-right and HBD movement is driven by fear, resentment and disdain for underclass blacks.

    If you mean whites are growing ever weary of being blamed for black (all black, not just the underclass) disfunction, then, yes, that's true.

    If you mean that whites are growing ever more weary of being forced to live around blacks who cannot live by white standards, then, yes, that's true.

    If you mean that whites are growing ever more weary of being told that we should just shut up about group differences, then, yes, that's true.

    As for me, I don't hate blacks. Let them live the way that they choose to live. Whites will live the way that we choose to live. Just in different locations.

    I simply want to live around my own people. Let other groups live the way that they want. It doesn't impact me.

    I want for whites what Jews want for Jews: Preserve my own people and culture and a homeland. Whites should follow the Jewish model. Create your own enclaves within a society while pushing for a homeland.

    I didn’t get a chance to read all the comments as well as I wanted to, but I have 3 questions for every alt-righter on this blog.

    1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.

    2. Why is it that the alt-right is still on the fringes? Why is it more people don’t agree with its views? I’ve already answered this on previous blogs and will only repeat my views here if some flamer provokes me.

    3. Why is it that the alt-right can’t enter the ranks of the elite? The elite is loaded with leftist SJW’s. Why are there no alt-righters among the elite? Why can’t they have an influence on policy? Even though Jeff Sessions shares some views with the alt-right, I can’t imagine him (and this is from distant observation) doing some of the things that, say, Jared Taylor or Richard Spencer might do if they were elected to high office.

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    "1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand."

    Do they really?

    Tell me something. If four or five black people beat a single white person senseless, what happens? It might get covered by the media a little, might not (and I'd wager it happens every day). The police will treat it as a crime (well in a lot of areas, some they might not even bother investigating for - reasons).

    Flip that. Four or five white guys beat a single black person senseless.

    Now tell me what happens? I have a pretty good mental image, but maybe you would care to comment?

    Just as a sidenote, there is some historically odd notion that a mob of people beating down a single person is cowardly or something. It's not. It is a tactic, and quite a good one.

    I think blacks innately understand a simple truth that most of the humans who have ever lived knew well. It's "One for all, and all on one."

    If Vito started trying to muscle in on Tony's turf, one of Vito's guys might be found with his hands tied behind his back and a bullet in his head. This was called "Sending a message."

    If say some white community didn't care to have blacks on their turf for any reason, and some unfortunate black guy was found the next day with his hands tied behind his back and a bullet in his head...

    Tell me what happens in this situation?
    , @Negrolphin Pool

    If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.
     
    This is largely a myth. Whites who have to deal with the black underclass on a regular basis learn to manage, at least within certain bounds of power disparity. See Brotherhood, Aryan also Rorke's Drift.

    But without addressing the question you beg, when a Steven's Island Wren or any other innumerable such species under similar circumstances gets wiped out by cats, is it more interesting as an illustration of feline intelligence or as an example of the sequalae of invasive species injection?


    Why is it that the alt-right is still on the fringes? Why is it more people don’t agree with its views? I’ve already answered this on previous blogs and will only repeat my views here if some flamer provokes me.
     
    I'm sure there are many reasons why Alt-Right views remain on the fringes. Some Alt-Right fare is extreme, shocking and palatable only in small helpings, even to open-minded red pillers. Bird-eating tarantulas might be a great source of protein, but most people don't put them on hamburgers.

    The more solidly reasoned, difficult-to-refute strains like those expounded by Jared Taylor, Steve Sailer, Heartiste et al. probably haven't caught on with the masses because they aren't easily condensed into Family Guy punchlines. It's hard enough to explain to someone who works for a living and doesn't have infinite time to spend on amateur sociology projects that a one standard deviation population difference in IQ doesn't mean anything with respect to individuals, but has enormous implications for society as a whole.

    Good luck crafting a fun soundbite that captures why neocamaralism could provide a robust antidote to the long, progressive arc towards a smoking hole, or why the 19th Amendment was a seminal event in America's likely dissolution.

    Some of the ideas aren't popular because they rely on arguments that challenge even the most dogged bibliophiles to assimilate and retain all necessary facts and logical strands. So, in order to connect with the audience, things need to be made simpler than possible. Once the Alt-Righter is forced to abandon careful reasoning and resort to naked rhetoric, you get Stormfront, memes and slogans that are hilarious to the type of free-floating-hostility dudes that think spending a night in jail is kinda fun but barely indistinguishable to the average Joe from whatever caricatures of KKK rallies and Everything Else They Warn You Not To Be may haunt his mind. It takes some virtuosic persuasion to overwrite the public mind's lie-stained palempsest with undigestable truths like that the most bigoted, Stars and Bars bogeymen were substantially right on every major point. It's a difficult PR issue. But the more the left backs average whites into a corner, leaving them no honorable exit from being branded the racist enemy of Social Justice, the less insurmountable that PR challenge becomes.

    Also, can you please provide a link to your post?


    Why is it that the alt-right can’t enter the ranks of the elite? The elite is loaded with leftist SJW’s. Why are there no alt-righters among the elite?
     
    The Superjew cadres of the Frankfurt School spent their formative years in, what, the 30s? Patience, man.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Not complicated.

    1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.

    Why do whites Americans intimidate higher IQ Asian Americans? ;)

    Regarding blacks, in the present situation, whites are unable to use their advantages - higher IQ, discipline and organization. Right now, it's one-on-one, street-fighting mode. Blacks definitely have the advantage there. They are stronger and more aggressive. But they are also less intelligent and completely unable to organize. If whites were ever allowed to use their natural advantages, they'd demolish blacks, much like a very small British army controlled large swaths of Africa for a century or two.

    However, as whites are so cowed at the moment, you have to say advantage blacks. Having some superior skills in a fight doesn't mean much if you don't use them. That's where whites are for now. We'll see if they ever stand up for themselves.

    2. Why is it that the alt-right is still on the fringes? Why is it more people don’t agree with its views? I’ve already answered this on previous blogs and will only repeat my views here if some flamer provokes me.


    Generations of indoctrination work. From the time that whites are babies, they are told through books, TV and schools (and, sadly, their own parents) that whites are cause of all the world's problems. Nazi, Nazi, Nazi. Original sin of being white.

    Propaganda works, at least white the radio station keep working.

    Will whites continue to believe the propaganda as we move to minority status? I don't know. At some point reality starts to punch you in the face and what you see on TV looks less and less plausible. Heck, I'm Exhibit A. Ten years ago, I was your typical Libertarian Republican that believed that blacks, whites and Asians were the same under the skin.

    When you're raised like the Truman Show, it takes a lot to realize that it's all been a lie.

    3. Why is it that the alt-right can’t enter the ranks of the elite? The elite is loaded with leftist SJW’s. Why are there no alt-righters among the elite? Why can’t they have an influence on policy? Even though Jeff Sessions shares some views with the alt-right, I can’t imagine him (and this is from distant observation) doing some of the things that, say, Jared Taylor or Richard Spencer might do if they were elected to high office.


    See my answer to Question 2.

    Basically, the question is will whites wake up. Honestly, I don't know. I've said before the NW Europeans were bred for a certain environment. (See HBD Chick for endless info on that.) And we thrived in that environment for 500 years. But the environment has changed. (Ironically, we caused the change.) Frankly, we're not particularly suited for the current environment. (Hey, what kind of Nazi, white suprematist is this guy.)

    Will we make it? Not as we are, no. Many whites will die childless or blend in with other groups. The real question is whether whites who still retain a sense of people (clan) will survive. On that, I don't know. But I'll do my best to give people like that a chance, just as Jews back in the day fought to keep their people intact.

    Mock it or not, I simply want my people to survive. Not sure why everyone thinks this is evil. I'm not trying to destroy your people, just protect my own. And I can't imagine a better cause.
    , @KenH

    1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.
     
    This has nothing to do with intelligence. Whites are instilled with a guilt complex (by Hollywood and the schools) about slavery and whiteness since birth which makes them very tentative when dealing with blacks. Further, whites are more individualistic and civilized while blacks are more race conscious, group oriented, savage and prone to violence. This gives blacks the upper hand when the two are thrust into the same environment like neighborhoods and schools.

    Blacks quickly form themselves into a group and antagonize the whites and/or other non-black groups. This throws most whites into confusion and despair since they are told that blacks are simply chocolate versions of themselves and that if one or two blacks are assholes that doesn't mean they all are. Conversely, blacks take any slight from a white person as a personal group insult while this thinking is totally foreign to whites. Again, this gives them a tremendous advantage since they can easily isolate and torment whites under these circumstances and the individualistic whites will not come to each other's aid.

    Let's just say that after years of experience with blacks I know now why pre-1965 whites would sometimes employ extreme levels of violence against them when they molested a white person in any way. Blacks understand the language of violent retaliation very well and working class whites especially instinctively knew this was periodically required as a warning to blacks not to cross certain lines. And it worked until that order was overthrown in 1965.

    Lastly, Asians have a higher average I.Q. than both blacks and whites but get physically pushed around by both although much more so by the former whom you seem to love.

    , @Amasius
    Here's a retired professor to explain it for you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZLD31C3cdE

    Short version: White people are highly conscientious individualist universalists obsessed with morality and it's easy to flip it around on them and make them hate themselves even to the point of suicidality.

    , @Jason Bourne
    Then I guess for you, MIke Tyson is more intelligent than Isaac Newton, or Da Vinci, because
    Mike Tyson could push both of them and they would not dare to counterattack him.
    The weakness of the white race is that they dont want to impose their intellectual power over others. It is only an opinion.
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  159. @rw95
    Truth said it best:

    "Nobody is telling you where you can and cannot live; it’s just that you don’t get to tell anyone else where he can and cannot live."

    Nobody is telling you where you can and cannot live; it’s just that you don’t get to tell anyone else where he can and cannot live.

    It should be clear that any property owner should have the right to deny anyone he chooses the ability to live on his premises. It’s less clear that a right to restrict or prevent ownership of property, especially by those who themselves are not current owners of that property, should be considered just, as in the case of restrictive covenants.

    But, in fact, such restrictions are commonplace. Every city has zoning ordinances. You generally can’t build a high-rise in a subdivision. In that case, a certain class of owners, namely commercial property managers, are restricted from owning that class of property by a consensus of other property owners, even though they don’t control and have no immediate interest in the parcel in question.

    Another example would be not being able to move a family of four into a space in a strip mall. Again, the ownership has been restricted by a local consensus in order to further the public good.

    A restrictive covenant, then, is nothing more than a zoning ordinance.

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  160. rw95 says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Repeated nonsense doesn't make it any truer. The inability to guard boundaries means that boundaries can't exist, and therefore you have no freedom to association: you can't choose to associate with only the people you want.

    And that is, and remains ridiculous.

    Restore freedom of association and I suspect that at least half if not more of the Alt-Right will be happy, and you'll see remarkably little "hate" or "supremacy" involved.

    Tell me again how white people are being forced to date, marry or otherwise associate with non-white people if they otherwise don’t wish to?

    Oh wait, that’s right. They aren’t.

    For the record, I do not agree with section 8 housing, which DOES violate freedom of association. But a black family who can afford to move to a white neighborhood and who choose to do so have every right to do so.

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    Simple. Can a white community refuse entry to blacks or Asians? No.

    Therein is the lack of freedom of association. An individual doesn't exist as an island, and a community isn't allowed to police its boundaries. Its much as if you had to force Amish to accommodate moderns in their midst.
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  161. rw95 says:
    @Svigor
    Lefties love to talk about these mythical "white communities" in America. Where are they? I know where to find Jewish communities. I can point them out on a map. Where are these "white communities"? Point them out on a map.

    Whitefish, Montana, Dicky Spencer’s stomping grounds, which as of the 2010 census was approximately 96% white:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitefish,_Montana#2010_census

    The state of Montana remains roughly 90% white.

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  162. @rw95
    Tell me again how white people are being forced to date, marry or otherwise associate with non-white people if they otherwise don't wish to?

    Oh wait, that's right. They aren't.

    For the record, I do not agree with section 8 housing, which DOES violate freedom of association. But a black family who can afford to move to a white neighborhood and who choose to do so have every right to do so.

    Simple. Can a white community refuse entry to blacks or Asians? No.

    Therein is the lack of freedom of association. An individual doesn’t exist as an island, and a community isn’t allowed to police its boundaries. Its much as if you had to force Amish to accommodate moderns in their midst.

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    I am almost positive that a black, Hispanic or Asian community can't refuse white people to move into their communities either.

    And I'll ask you again, since you're clearly such a supporter of the alt-right: When are you going back to China? After all, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK.
    , @Talha
    Hey DC,

    You bring up interesting points. A few from me:
    1) Likewise, Blacks and Asians can't stop Whites from moving into their turf - so at this point, from a legal perspective it seems even. Whether or not some Whites want to live around them is a different issue. I think the only people that really have a legal means to block others (based on ethnicity) are the Native American nations in their tribal reservations - could be wrong.
    2) I actually don't care if like-minded Whites get the rights to stop others from moving into their (how would it work - at the town or county or state level)? I really don't want to live near others who don't want to live near me - nor do I want to sit in a restaurant that is being forced to serve me (pee in the soup, anyone)?
    3) Related to #2, I actually think this would be a great idea. I'd like to see, once the legal barriers are removed, how many people actually start moving around and creating these Whites-only havens. That way it's no longer in the realm of people hyping up or downplaying their attraction - I really want to see how many White people are down to live in exclusively White towns. My guess is that not too many Whites will do this officially. From what I can see, plenty of White communities keep others out by financially making it difficult for ghetto-thugs like Shanikwa and her boyfriend Ray-Ray from moving in - but most don't mind if a cultured Black couple with money moves next door.
    4) Of course Whites-only rights then step on other Whites rights. For instance, my (White) neighbor was having trouble selling his house (and we're in a super-majority White neighborhood) and wanted to move out because he was looking to downsize since his kids had moved out - but finally found a Vietnamese family who bought it. In those communities, those Whites would have to just deal with it until a White buyer came along I guess? Also, I guess a White guy couldn't marry a Latina or Asian something, because then the mixed kids would screw up the demographics and ownership?

    Just some things to think about.

    Peace.
    , @Truth

    Simple. Can a white community refuse entry to blacks or Asians? No.
     
    There is only one true "community" in America; that is, America, itself. Every American has the legal right to live anywhere he chooses and can afford. This is as simple as it comes. If you want to be around "the beautiful white folks", well Daniel, you're just going to have to make more money; and if you want to be around other Chinese, well Daniel, there is a whole country of 1.2B, in which you can make this happen.

    What's unfair about that?
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  163. Svigor says:

    Tell me again how white people are being forced to date, marry or otherwise associate with non-white people if they otherwise don’t wish to?

    Oh wait, that’s right. They aren’t.

    Fuckface, changing the subject isn’t an argument.

    Whitefish, Montana, Dicky Spencer’s stomping grounds, which as of the 2010 census was approximately 96% white:

    The state of Montana remains roughly 90% white.

    I.e., not all-White. These all-White American communities exist only in leftists’ delusions.

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    How is that changing a subject, and furthermore, how has that disproven anything I've said?

    And are there any ALL-black, Asian or Latino communities in the United States? If there are, please inform me, because I've never heard of any of them.
    , @Truth

    Fuckface, changing the subject isn’t an argument.
     

    What argument did he change?


    (Oh, and by the way, Sviggy, how is your self-selected, %70 black, town of residence? Haven't been to S.C in a while but I'm planning a trip down south this summer. Drinks are on me, we'll go meet some broads, black, or white, you choose...)

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  164. Talha says:
    @rw95
    So when are you going back to China?

    Hey rw95,

    Probably when I move to Karachi, or Kuala Lumpur or Alexandria – when our families receive official notice with a Federal stamp that the citizens of the US have spoken and decided to revoke our citizenship and right of residency. We’re discussing theory and principles here.

    Peace.

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  165. @republic
    The highest quality of life in Latin America is in, Chile,Argentina and Uruguay

    Check the life expectancy, infant mortality and maternal mortality in Chile,Argentina and Uruguay

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  166. @Daniel Chieh
    I'm going to say that there is a lot of propaganda and even your sources have mentioned excesses - certainly Mao Zedong might not have approved of the excesses of the Red Guard, but it was quite clear that at some point what was happening, and there wasn't much to be done to stop it. Like I said, I consider him up there with Emperor Qin - he served an important purpose for China, but there was a lot of suffering. Certainly much of it was caused by external forces, but let's not forget the stated aims of the CR against "feudalism" and the sheer amount of cultural destruction it causes. Even today, China has a culture of getting ahead at all costs, and I largely blame the consequences of the CR for it.

    I don't disagree with you with on many things.

    I think the gaokao is an effective method of selecting governance. I do think that China has prospered under a more authoritarian government, and feel that India could have probably done better under the same. I mock the increasingly abysmal results of Taiwan and South Korea for their excesses in democracy as well, and for their welcoming embrace of liberalism. Though my family was KMT, I yearn for when Taiwan is "special economic province of China" and no longer "renegade island" under an increasingly pozzed population.

    But I think you'll find that many Chinese do not credit Chairman Mao or even the Party with perfection, and certainly not the system of Communism of "everyone eating from the same pot." After Chairman Deng, when "getting rich was glorious" and when the Chinese were allowed to live off our mercenary characteristics, work hard and compete ruthlessly inter-province and then internationally, is when China actually prospered.

    If China succeeds, if China becomes triumphant, then China has prospered for allowing her to be Chinese. Not by trying to mimic the failures of Soviet Communism or by the failures of Western Democracy. She can take the lessons from both without losing her own self.

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    I have not. I will read this, thanks.
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  167. big eyes says:
    @Discard
    If Asians don't envy and imitate us, why do they call it the People's REPUBLIC of China? DEMOCRATIC Kampuchea? Why do Oriental girls get eye-rounding plastic surgery? Etc, etc, etc.

    Discard,

    I don’t know if you realize this, but those are the English names of the countries. You realized, that English is not the official language of those countries right? China in Chinese would be literally translated as “Middle Country/Kingdom”.

    As for the round eyes trope, asians aren’t trying to copy white eyes. It’s just that big eyes are more attractive. Thinking like this is like saying white people get nose jobs to make small noses like asians.

    Interestingly, asians don’t think of whites as “round eyes” or “big eyes” as most americans think. They are usually referred to in terms of their big noses and body odor. Asians have their own odor, but the white smell is very noticeable when in Asia.

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  168. @Godfree Roberts
    Have you read this? http://www.rupe-india.org/59/han.html

    I have not. I will read this, thanks.

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  169. bomag says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    India has done fairly well?

    It has provided toilets for 38% of its people.

    It has provided running water for 36% of its people.

    5,000 Indian Children Starve to Death Every Day. http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2012/09/13/almost-5000-indian-children-die-daily/

    230,000,000 Indians go hungry every day. That's two hundred and thirty million. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Superpower-230-million-Indians-go-hungry-daily/articleshow/11494502.cms

    The Chinese in Hong Kong, Singapore and Taiwan thrived because they were supported by the US and the UK, while China was placed under a 20-year embargo, including a grain embargo with the aim of starving the people into submission.

    Tell us that North Korea, East Germany, and Cuba are/were shining examples North Korea is a tiny, impoverished state that was firebombed to the ground by the USA and has been under embargo ever since, yet has survived and preserved the only sign of Korean independence.

    Today, a majority of East Germans who lived under Communism say their lives were better then–despite an embargo and endless attempts to destabilize the country. And Cuba has the highest quality of life in Latin America and is independent despite an ongoing, murderous embargo.

    This is more crap and I suspect that you are a troll.

    I grew up around people who didn’t have indoor plumbing. Life was fine.

    You discount the stats about China’s suffering under Mao. The same discount can be applied to your stats about India, Cuba, and East Germany.

    And you offer the usual wind-up excuses about embargoes and economic support I’ve heard a zillion times from the cult Left. As a comparison, South Africa back in the day was one of the most embargoed countries, and they managed to maintain first world status.

    You came on here lauding the economic performance of communist China; but when challenged you start backpedaling and blaming the US for not having the proper policy that would have let them soar, soar! high into the sky.

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    I, too, grew up with outhouses. What I didn't grow up with was millions of children starving to death around me. Mao did, and he put a permanent end to it. India did, too, and millions of their children are still starving to death.

    I discount the stats about China’s suffering under Mao. Stats? China's stats are fine. I merely disprove evidence-free allegations, as any discerning reader does.

    South Africa back in the day was one of the most embargoed countries? Baloney. South Africa's embargo was a joke. The legislation aimed only to ban all new U.S. trade and investment in South Africa, was weakly enforced and lifted after five years. The China embargo lasted 20 years and was aimed at blocking all investment, all technology transfers and all shipments of food–thus starving the country into submission. My country was not permitted to ship grain to China during the famine and even not-t00-racially-sensitive Australians thought that was excessively cruel.

    I came on here lauding the economic performance of communist China because, despite the embargoes, bombings, piracy, terrorism and efforts to destabilize her, the Chinese economy today is 30% bigger than the USA's, growing 300% faster, with a 10% higher labor participation rate (despite having labor costs the same as ours), carrying less debt and is pulling ahead of ours in virtually every technology. After a 25 year embargo, much of which–like dual use technology–is still in place.
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  170. @bomag
    This is more crap and I suspect that you are a troll.

    I grew up around people who didn't have indoor plumbing. Life was fine.

    You discount the stats about China's suffering under Mao. The same discount can be applied to your stats about India, Cuba, and East Germany.

    And you offer the usual wind-up excuses about embargoes and economic support I've heard a zillion times from the cult Left. As a comparison, South Africa back in the day was one of the most embargoed countries, and they managed to maintain first world status.

    You came on here lauding the economic performance of communist China; but when challenged you start backpedaling and blaming the US for not having the proper policy that would have let them soar, soar! high into the sky.

    I, too, grew up with outhouses. What I didn’t grow up with was millions of children starving to death around me. Mao did, and he put a permanent end to it. India did, too, and millions of their children are still starving to death.

    I discount the stats about China’s suffering under Mao. Stats? China’s stats are fine. I merely disprove evidence-free allegations, as any discerning reader does.

    South Africa back in the day was one of the most embargoed countries? Baloney. South Africa’s embargo was a joke. The legislation aimed only to ban all new U.S. trade and investment in South Africa, was weakly enforced and lifted after five years. The China embargo lasted 20 years and was aimed at blocking all investment, all technology transfers and all shipments of food–thus starving the country into submission. My country was not permitted to ship grain to China during the famine and even not-t00-racially-sensitive Australians thought that was excessively cruel.

    I came on here lauding the economic performance of communist China because, despite the embargoes, bombings, piracy, terrorism and efforts to destabilize her, the Chinese economy today is 30% bigger than the USA’s, growing 300% faster, with a 10% higher labor participation rate (despite having labor costs the same as ours), carrying less debt and is pulling ahead of ours in virtually every technology. After a 25 year embargo, much of which–like dual use technology–is still in place.

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    Most international embargoes are a joke. We were something like Cuba's third largest trading partner, and a lot of the restrictions were from the Cuban side.

    Same with China. They never lacked the ability to import; they are masters at routing things through a third party. Again, most of the restrictions were from their side, probably in service to encouraging internal production.

    You're flogging one data point to explain away Mao's shortcomings.

    Yes, China has had wonderful achievement, but it has been in spite of Mao.
    , @Astuteobservor II
    you should give up, he will continue to ignore all your points :)
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  171. Sunbeam says:
    @Gene Su
    I didn't get a chance to read all the comments as well as I wanted to, but I have 3 questions for every alt-righter on this blog.

    1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.

    2. Why is it that the alt-right is still on the fringes? Why is it more people don't agree with its views? I've already answered this on previous blogs and will only repeat my views here if some flamer provokes me.

    3. Why is it that the alt-right can't enter the ranks of the elite? The elite is loaded with leftist SJW's. Why are there no alt-righters among the elite? Why can't they have an influence on policy? Even though Jeff Sessions shares some views with the alt-right, I can't imagine him (and this is from distant observation) doing some of the things that, say, Jared Taylor or Richard Spencer might do if they were elected to high office.

    “1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.”

    Do they really?

    Tell me something. If four or five black people beat a single white person senseless, what happens? It might get covered by the media a little, might not (and I’d wager it happens every day). The police will treat it as a crime (well in a lot of areas, some they might not even bother investigating for – reasons).

    Flip that. Four or five white guys beat a single black person senseless.

    Now tell me what happens? I have a pretty good mental image, but maybe you would care to comment?

    Just as a sidenote, there is some historically odd notion that a mob of people beating down a single person is cowardly or something. It’s not. It is a tactic, and quite a good one.

    I think blacks innately understand a simple truth that most of the humans who have ever lived knew well. It’s “One for all, and all on one.”

    If Vito started trying to muscle in on Tony’s turf, one of Vito’s guys might be found with his hands tied behind his back and a bullet in his head. This was called “Sending a message.”

    If say some white community didn’t care to have blacks on their turf for any reason, and some unfortunate black guy was found the next day with his hands tied behind his back and a bullet in his head…

    Tell me what happens in this situation?

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    If say some white community didn’t care to have blacks on their turf for any reason, and some unfortunate black guy was found the next day with his hands tied behind his back and a bullet in his head…

    Tell me what happens in this situation?
     
    Say when.
    , @KenH

    Flip that. Four or five white guys beat a single black person senseless.
     
    It's national news for weeks, 5,ooo FBI agents rush to the location where the beating occurred, the chief of police and mayor are forced to resign (if they are white) and members of the uniparty grandstand before the cameras culminating in some race based legislation and set asides for the saintly American negro.
    , @Truth

    Tell me something. If four or five black people beat a single white person senseless, what happens? The police will treat it as a crime...
     
    Well, yeah, that's a strong possibility.
    , @Truth


    Just as a sidenote, there is some historically odd notion that a mob of people beating down a single person is cowardly or something. It’s not. It is a tactic, and quite a good one.
     

    Now this makes sense, and is the foundation of what we call, "military strategy."

    "If say some white community didn’t care to have blacks on their turf for any reason, and some unfortunate black guy was found the next day with his hands tied behind his back and a bullet in his head…

    Tell me what happens in this situation?"

    Well I would assume the police would investigate a murder, No?

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  172. @Gene Su
    I didn't get a chance to read all the comments as well as I wanted to, but I have 3 questions for every alt-righter on this blog.

    1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.

    2. Why is it that the alt-right is still on the fringes? Why is it more people don't agree with its views? I've already answered this on previous blogs and will only repeat my views here if some flamer provokes me.

    3. Why is it that the alt-right can't enter the ranks of the elite? The elite is loaded with leftist SJW's. Why are there no alt-righters among the elite? Why can't they have an influence on policy? Even though Jeff Sessions shares some views with the alt-right, I can't imagine him (and this is from distant observation) doing some of the things that, say, Jared Taylor or Richard Spencer might do if they were elected to high office.

    If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.

    This is largely a myth. Whites who have to deal with the black underclass on a regular basis learn to manage, at least within certain bounds of power disparity. See Brotherhood, Aryan also Rorke’s Drift.

    But without addressing the question you beg, when a Steven’s Island Wren or any other innumerable such species under similar circumstances gets wiped out by cats, is it more interesting as an illustration of feline intelligence or as an example of the sequalae of invasive species injection?

    Why is it that the alt-right is still on the fringes? Why is it more people don’t agree with its views? I’ve already answered this on previous blogs and will only repeat my views here if some flamer provokes me.

    I’m sure there are many reasons why Alt-Right views remain on the fringes. Some Alt-Right fare is extreme, shocking and palatable only in small helpings, even to open-minded red pillers. Bird-eating tarantulas might be a great source of protein, but most people don’t put them on hamburgers.

    The more solidly reasoned, difficult-to-refute strains like those expounded by Jared Taylor, Steve Sailer, Heartiste et al. probably haven’t caught on with the masses because they aren’t easily condensed into Family Guy punchlines. It’s hard enough to explain to someone who works for a living and doesn’t have infinite time to spend on amateur sociology projects that a one standard deviation population difference in IQ doesn’t mean anything with respect to individuals, but has enormous implications for society as a whole.

    Good luck crafting a fun soundbite that captures why neocamaralism could provide a robust antidote to the long, progressive arc towards a smoking hole, or why the 19th Amendment was a seminal event in America’s likely dissolution.

    Some of the ideas aren’t popular because they rely on arguments that challenge even the most dogged bibliophiles to assimilate and retain all necessary facts and logical strands. So, in order to connect with the audience, things need to be made simpler than possible. Once the Alt-Righter is forced to abandon careful reasoning and resort to naked rhetoric, you get Stormfront, memes and slogans that are hilarious to the type of free-floating-hostility dudes that think spending a night in jail is kinda fun but barely indistinguishable to the average Joe from whatever caricatures of KKK rallies and Everything Else They Warn You Not To Be may haunt his mind. It takes some virtuosic persuasion to overwrite the public mind’s lie-stained palempsest with undigestable truths like that the most bigoted, Stars and Bars bogeymen were substantially right on every major point. It’s a difficult PR issue. But the more the left backs average whites into a corner, leaving them no honorable exit from being branded the racist enemy of Social Justice, the less insurmountable that PR challenge becomes.

    Also, can you please provide a link to your post?

    Why is it that the alt-right can’t enter the ranks of the elite? The elite is loaded with leftist SJW’s. Why are there no alt-righters among the elite?

    The Superjew cadres of the Frankfurt School spent their formative years in, what, the 30s? Patience, man.

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    "The more solidly reasoned, difficult-to-refute strains like those expounded by Jared Taylor, Steve Sailer, Heartiste et al"

    Heartiste? Solidly reasoned?

    What does Heartiste have that doesn't spam the words "nigger" or "kike?"
    , @Gene Su
    Since I gathered 4 alt-right flamers, who choose to use such convoluted, meaningless arguments, I'm going to repost my response to Dr. Robert Weissberg's recent article:

    I think someone needs to write an article on *why* so many whites are fooled into believing that there is no black underclass problem and that the Alt-Right’s rantings are completely untrue. Conservatives harp about how the media has painted a rosy picture of blacks but that is a minor factor. I have written this argument on the blog posts for Dr. Gottfried’s recent article and will probably write this more times in the future.
    Most whites have *zero* contact with underclass blacks. This is especially true during their adolescent years. Most non-whites do not attend public schools that are majority black. A white child is more likely to encounter a white thug in elementary school than a black thug.
    No, seriously, think about it! If you go to a public school that is 99% white, chances are that all of the delinquents and trouble makers you meet are white. Amren likes to publish lots of nasty incidents involving black punks. So? There are plenty of incidents with white punks. I have seen white boys and white girls violently beating one another. I have had rocks thrown at me by white a-holes. I have had my stuff stolen by white thugs. I once violently beat the crap out of a white kid who threw a rock at me in summer camp and the counselor care-taker (who I admit was black) tried to protect him. Nicholas Stix once griped about how black adults (especially women) would try to protect black thugs. So? There were innumerable times when I was told by white teachers and caretakers that I better ignore my tormenters and turn the other cheek. It is very difficult to expel or discpline a white troublemaker in a suburban school.
    This has nothing to do with racism. The problem is that there is a massive decline in disciplinary standards in our public schools. A child also has far less freedom and options today to avoid punks and thugs. When you have a bloated bureaucracy like in many public schools, you’re going to have some adult care-takers who might not be morally responsible.
    A child who constantly is subjected to this might conclude that the white society from which these trouble makers come from is rotten to the core and has nothing to offer. Note that I am trying to point out the disconnect between what most people witness in their formative years and what the overall reality is. Unless you have access to crime statistics like Steve Sailer and Jared Taylor, you would not know that the black underclass is disproportionately responsible for most violent crime in America.

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  173. @Gene Su
    I didn't get a chance to read all the comments as well as I wanted to, but I have 3 questions for every alt-righter on this blog.

    1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.

    2. Why is it that the alt-right is still on the fringes? Why is it more people don't agree with its views? I've already answered this on previous blogs and will only repeat my views here if some flamer provokes me.

    3. Why is it that the alt-right can't enter the ranks of the elite? The elite is loaded with leftist SJW's. Why are there no alt-righters among the elite? Why can't they have an influence on policy? Even though Jeff Sessions shares some views with the alt-right, I can't imagine him (and this is from distant observation) doing some of the things that, say, Jared Taylor or Richard Spencer might do if they were elected to high office.

    Not complicated.

    1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.

    Why do whites Americans intimidate higher IQ Asian Americans? ;)

    Regarding blacks, in the present situation, whites are unable to use their advantages – higher IQ, discipline and organization. Right now, it’s one-on-one, street-fighting mode. Blacks definitely have the advantage there. They are stronger and more aggressive. But they are also less intelligent and completely unable to organize. If whites were ever allowed to use their natural advantages, they’d demolish blacks, much like a very small British army controlled large swaths of Africa for a century or two.

    However, as whites are so cowed at the moment, you have to say advantage blacks. Having some superior skills in a fight doesn’t mean much if you don’t use them. That’s where whites are for now. We’ll see if they ever stand up for themselves.

    2. Why is it that the alt-right is still on the fringes? Why is it more people don’t agree with its views? I’ve already answered this on previous blogs and will only repeat my views here if some flamer provokes me.

    Generations of indoctrination work. From the time that whites are babies, they are told through books, TV and schools (and, sadly, their own parents) that whites are cause of all the world’s problems. Nazi, Nazi, Nazi. Original sin of being white.

    Propaganda works, at least white the radio station keep working.

    Will whites continue to believe the propaganda as we move to minority status? I don’t know. At some point reality starts to punch you in the face and what you see on TV looks less and less plausible. Heck, I’m Exhibit A. Ten years ago, I was your typical Libertarian Republican that believed that blacks, whites and Asians were the same under the skin.

    When you’re raised like the Truman Show, it takes a lot to realize that it’s all been a lie.

    3. Why is it that the alt-right can’t enter the ranks of the elite? The elite is loaded with leftist SJW’s. Why are there no alt-righters among the elite? Why can’t they have an influence on policy? Even though Jeff Sessions shares some views with the alt-right, I can’t imagine him (and this is from distant observation) doing some of the things that, say, Jared Taylor or Richard Spencer might do if they were elected to high office.

    See my answer to Question 2.

    Basically, the question is will whites wake up. Honestly, I don’t know. I’ve said before the NW Europeans were bred for a certain environment. (See HBD Chick for endless info on that.) And we thrived in that environment for 500 years. But the environment has changed. (Ironically, we caused the change.) Frankly, we’re not particularly suited for the current environment. (Hey, what kind of Nazi, white suprematist is this guy.)

    Will we make it? Not as we are, no. Many whites will die childless or blend in with other groups. The real question is whether whites who still retain a sense of people (clan) will survive. On that, I don’t know. But I’ll do my best to give people like that a chance, just as Jews back in the day fought to keep their people intact.

    Mock it or not, I simply want my people to survive. Not sure why everyone thinks this is evil. I’m not trying to destroy your people, just protect my own. And I can’t imagine a better cause.

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    I’m not trying to destroy your people, just protect my own. And I can’t imagine a better cause.
     
    In the increasingly zero-sum game of late capitalist America, your gain is precisely their loss.
    , @Truth

    If whites were ever allowed to use their natural advantages, they’d demolish blacks,
     
    Who's stopping you, Whites? Doesn't seem like much of an advantage when you look at it like that.
    , @Truth

    Honestly, I don’t know. I’ve said before the NW Europeans were bred for a certain environment. (See HBD Chick for endless info on that.) And we thrived in that environment for 500 years. But the environment has changed. (Ironically, we caused the change.) Frankly, we’re not particularly suited for the current environment.
     
    I mean, Bro., your ancestors had to deal with floods that wiped out the world*, 25 foot tall Mastadons, and Ice Ages, all you and your children have to deal with is, well, an increasingly "vibrant and colorful world" should be a piece of cake!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUnfFC7wUrs

    *This is an inside joke to myself, dealing with the true biblical, origins of man; but damn is it funny.
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  174. @Sunbeam
    "1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand."

    Do they really?

    Tell me something. If four or five black people beat a single white person senseless, what happens? It might get covered by the media a little, might not (and I'd wager it happens every day). The police will treat it as a crime (well in a lot of areas, some they might not even bother investigating for - reasons).

    Flip that. Four or five white guys beat a single black person senseless.

    Now tell me what happens? I have a pretty good mental image, but maybe you would care to comment?

    Just as a sidenote, there is some historically odd notion that a mob of people beating down a single person is cowardly or something. It's not. It is a tactic, and quite a good one.

    I think blacks innately understand a simple truth that most of the humans who have ever lived knew well. It's "One for all, and all on one."

    If Vito started trying to muscle in on Tony's turf, one of Vito's guys might be found with his hands tied behind his back and a bullet in his head. This was called "Sending a message."

    If say some white community didn't care to have blacks on their turf for any reason, and some unfortunate black guy was found the next day with his hands tied behind his back and a bullet in his head...

    Tell me what happens in this situation?

    If say some white community didn’t care to have blacks on their turf for any reason, and some unfortunate black guy was found the next day with his hands tied behind his back and a bullet in his head…

    Tell me what happens in this situation?

    Say when.

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  175. @rw95
    And I'll tell you again to cut the crap, saying your ideology is not based on hate. It IS based on hate. Hatred of blacks, hatred of Jews, hatred of anybody who isn't white.

    NO ONE IS STOPPING YOU from moving to your proverbial whiteopia. Who is stopping you from having white children? I constantly hear about how eastern Europe is going to save white people, but I see few alt-righters actually making the move.

    Maybe because they realize, at least instinctually, that Europeans are not equal, and that for the most part Slavic countries are corrupt shitholes.

    NO ONE IS STOPPING YOU from moving to your proverbial whiteopia. Who is stopping you from having white children? I constantly hear about how eastern Europe is going to save white people, but I see few alt-righters actually making the move.

    The primary concern is with preserving what whiteopias there are and restoring those that were, the entire pre-1960s U.S. being exemplary. The Alt-Right arguments about declining fertility have to do with creating incentives which encourage white fertility in white lands while discouraging that of other races there.

    Surely, you can see that incentives are supreme in this equation? The race that produced the baby boomers didn’t devolve into a non-self-replicating, extinction-bound species in two generations. Non replacement fertility is probably an even less likely genetic advent than flight in previously land-dwelling animals. Over an entire population it’s impossible in two generations without exogenous shocks. The declining white fertility rate is 100% environmental, i.e. incentives-based.

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  176. @Daniel Chieh
    I'm going to say that there is a lot of propaganda and even your sources have mentioned excesses - certainly Mao Zedong might not have approved of the excesses of the Red Guard, but it was quite clear that at some point what was happening, and there wasn't much to be done to stop it. Like I said, I consider him up there with Emperor Qin - he served an important purpose for China, but there was a lot of suffering. Certainly much of it was caused by external forces, but let's not forget the stated aims of the CR against "feudalism" and the sheer amount of cultural destruction it causes. Even today, China has a culture of getting ahead at all costs, and I largely blame the consequences of the CR for it.

    I don't disagree with you with on many things.

    I think the gaokao is an effective method of selecting governance. I do think that China has prospered under a more authoritarian government, and feel that India could have probably done better under the same. I mock the increasingly abysmal results of Taiwan and South Korea for their excesses in democracy as well, and for their welcoming embrace of liberalism. Though my family was KMT, I yearn for when Taiwan is "special economic province of China" and no longer "renegade island" under an increasingly pozzed population.

    But I think you'll find that many Chinese do not credit Chairman Mao or even the Party with perfection, and certainly not the system of Communism of "everyone eating from the same pot." After Chairman Deng, when "getting rich was glorious" and when the Chinese were allowed to live off our mercenary characteristics, work hard and compete ruthlessly inter-province and then internationally, is when China actually prospered.

    If China succeeds, if China becomes triumphant, then China has prospered for allowing her to be Chinese. Not by trying to mimic the failures of Soviet Communism or by the failures of Western Democracy. She can take the lessons from both without losing her own self.

    Though my family was KMT

    That quirky transliteration system you use in your name gives it away.

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  177. @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Not complicated.

    1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.

    Why do whites Americans intimidate higher IQ Asian Americans? ;)

    Regarding blacks, in the present situation, whites are unable to use their advantages - higher IQ, discipline and organization. Right now, it's one-on-one, street-fighting mode. Blacks definitely have the advantage there. They are stronger and more aggressive. But they are also less intelligent and completely unable to organize. If whites were ever allowed to use their natural advantages, they'd demolish blacks, much like a very small British army controlled large swaths of Africa for a century or two.

    However, as whites are so cowed at the moment, you have to say advantage blacks. Having some superior skills in a fight doesn't mean much if you don't use them. That's where whites are for now. We'll see if they ever stand up for themselves.

    2. Why is it that the alt-right is still on the fringes? Why is it more people don’t agree with its views? I’ve already answered this on previous blogs and will only repeat my views here if some flamer provokes me.


    Generations of indoctrination work. From the time that whites are babies, they are told through books, TV and schools (and, sadly, their own parents) that whites are cause of all the world's problems. Nazi, Nazi, Nazi. Original sin of being white.

    Propaganda works, at least white the radio station keep working.

    Will whites continue to believe the propaganda as we move to minority status? I don't know. At some point reality starts to punch you in the face and what you see on TV looks less and less plausible. Heck, I'm Exhibit A. Ten years ago, I was your typical Libertarian Republican that believed that blacks, whites and Asians were the same under the skin.

    When you're raised like the Truman Show, it takes a lot to realize that it's all been a lie.

    3. Why is it that the alt-right can’t enter the ranks of the elite? The elite is loaded with leftist SJW’s. Why are there no alt-righters among the elite? Why can’t they have an influence on policy? Even though Jeff Sessions shares some views with the alt-right, I can’t imagine him (and this is from distant observation) doing some of the things that, say, Jared Taylor or Richard Spencer might do if they were elected to high office.


    See my answer to Question 2.

    Basically, the question is will whites wake up. Honestly, I don't know. I've said before the NW Europeans were bred for a certain environment. (See HBD Chick for endless info on that.) And we thrived in that environment for 500 years. But the environment has changed. (Ironically, we caused the change.) Frankly, we're not particularly suited for the current environment. (Hey, what kind of Nazi, white suprematist is this guy.)

    Will we make it? Not as we are, no. Many whites will die childless or blend in with other groups. The real question is whether whites who still retain a sense of people (clan) will survive. On that, I don't know. But I'll do my best to give people like that a chance, just as Jews back in the day fought to keep their people intact.

    Mock it or not, I simply want my people to survive. Not sure why everyone thinks this is evil. I'm not trying to destroy your people, just protect my own. And I can't imagine a better cause.

    I’m not trying to destroy your people, just protect my own. And I can’t imagine a better cause.

    In the increasingly zero-sum game of late capitalist America, your gain is precisely their loss.

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  178. KenH says:
    @Sunbeam
    "1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand."

    Do they really?

    Tell me something. If four or five black people beat a single white person senseless, what happens? It might get covered by the media a little, might not (and I'd wager it happens every day). The police will treat it as a crime (well in a lot of areas, some they might not even bother investigating for - reasons).

    Flip that. Four or five white guys beat a single black person senseless.

    Now tell me what happens? I have a pretty good mental image, but maybe you would care to comment?

    Just as a sidenote, there is some historically odd notion that a mob of people beating down a single person is cowardly or something. It's not. It is a tactic, and quite a good one.

    I think blacks innately understand a simple truth that most of the humans who have ever lived knew well. It's "One for all, and all on one."

    If Vito started trying to muscle in on Tony's turf, one of Vito's guys might be found with his hands tied behind his back and a bullet in his head. This was called "Sending a message."

    If say some white community didn't care to have blacks on their turf for any reason, and some unfortunate black guy was found the next day with his hands tied behind his back and a bullet in his head...

    Tell me what happens in this situation?

    Flip that. Four or five white guys beat a single black person senseless.

    It’s national news for weeks, 5,ooo FBI agents rush to the location where the beating occurred, the chief of police and mayor are forced to resign (if they are white) and members of the uniparty grandstand before the cameras culminating in some race based legislation and set asides for the saintly American negro.

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  179. rw95 says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Simple. Can a white community refuse entry to blacks or Asians? No.

    Therein is the lack of freedom of association. An individual doesn't exist as an island, and a community isn't allowed to police its boundaries. Its much as if you had to force Amish to accommodate moderns in their midst.

    I am almost positive that a black, Hispanic or Asian community can’t refuse white people to move into their communities either.

    And I’ll ask you again, since you’re clearly such a supporter of the alt-right: When are you going back to China? After all, YOU HAVE TO GO BACK.

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  180. rw95 says:
    @Svigor

    Tell me again how white people are being forced to date, marry or otherwise associate with non-white people if they otherwise don’t wish to?

    Oh wait, that’s right. They aren’t.
     
    Fuckface, changing the subject isn't an argument.

    Whitefish, Montana, Dicky Spencer’s stomping grounds, which as of the 2010 census was approximately 96% white:
     

    The state of Montana remains roughly 90% white.
     
    I.e., not all-White. These all-White American communities exist only in leftists' delusions.

    How is that changing a subject, and furthermore, how has that disproven anything I’ve said?

    And are there any ALL-black, Asian or Latino communities in the United States? If there are, please inform me, because I’ve never heard of any of them.

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  181. rw95 says:
    @Negrolphin Pool

    If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.
     
    This is largely a myth. Whites who have to deal with the black underclass on a regular basis learn to manage, at least within certain bounds of power disparity. See Brotherhood, Aryan also Rorke's Drift.

    But without addressing the question you beg, when a Steven's Island Wren or any other innumerable such species under similar circumstances gets wiped out by cats, is it more interesting as an illustration of feline intelligence or as an example of the sequalae of invasive species injection?


    Why is it that the alt-right is still on the fringes? Why is it more people don’t agree with its views? I’ve already answered this on previous blogs and will only repeat my views here if some flamer provokes me.
     
    I'm sure there are many reasons why Alt-Right views remain on the fringes. Some Alt-Right fare is extreme, shocking and palatable only in small helpings, even to open-minded red pillers. Bird-eating tarantulas might be a great source of protein, but most people don't put them on hamburgers.

    The more solidly reasoned, difficult-to-refute strains like those expounded by Jared Taylor, Steve Sailer, Heartiste et al. probably haven't caught on with the masses because they aren't easily condensed into Family Guy punchlines. It's hard enough to explain to someone who works for a living and doesn't have infinite time to spend on amateur sociology projects that a one standard deviation population difference in IQ doesn't mean anything with respect to individuals, but has enormous implications for society as a whole.

    Good luck crafting a fun soundbite that captures why neocamaralism could provide a robust antidote to the long, progressive arc towards a smoking hole, or why the 19th Amendment was a seminal event in America's likely dissolution.

    Some of the ideas aren't popular because they rely on arguments that challenge even the most dogged bibliophiles to assimilate and retain all necessary facts and logical strands. So, in order to connect with the audience, things need to be made simpler than possible. Once the Alt-Righter is forced to abandon careful reasoning and resort to naked rhetoric, you get Stormfront, memes and slogans that are hilarious to the type of free-floating-hostility dudes that think spending a night in jail is kinda fun but barely indistinguishable to the average Joe from whatever caricatures of KKK rallies and Everything Else They Warn You Not To Be may haunt his mind. It takes some virtuosic persuasion to overwrite the public mind's lie-stained palempsest with undigestable truths like that the most bigoted, Stars and Bars bogeymen were substantially right on every major point. It's a difficult PR issue. But the more the left backs average whites into a corner, leaving them no honorable exit from being branded the racist enemy of Social Justice, the less insurmountable that PR challenge becomes.

    Also, can you please provide a link to your post?


    Why is it that the alt-right can’t enter the ranks of the elite? The elite is loaded with leftist SJW’s. Why are there no alt-righters among the elite?
     
    The Superjew cadres of the Frankfurt School spent their formative years in, what, the 30s? Patience, man.

    “The more solidly reasoned, difficult-to-refute strains like those expounded by Jared Taylor, Steve Sailer, Heartiste et al”

    Heartiste? Solidly reasoned?

    What does Heartiste have that doesn’t spam the words “nigger” or “kike?”

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  182. KenH says:
    @Gene Su
    I didn't get a chance to read all the comments as well as I wanted to, but I have 3 questions for every alt-righter on this blog.

    1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.

    2. Why is it that the alt-right is still on the fringes? Why is it more people don't agree with its views? I've already answered this on previous blogs and will only repeat my views here if some flamer provokes me.

    3. Why is it that the alt-right can't enter the ranks of the elite? The elite is loaded with leftist SJW's. Why are there no alt-righters among the elite? Why can't they have an influence on policy? Even though Jeff Sessions shares some views with the alt-right, I can't imagine him (and this is from distant observation) doing some of the things that, say, Jared Taylor or Richard Spencer might do if they were elected to high office.

    1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.

    This has nothing to do with intelligence. Whites are instilled with a guilt complex (by Hollywood and the schools) about slavery and whiteness since birth which makes them very tentative when dealing with blacks. Further, whites are more individualistic and civilized while blacks are more race conscious, group oriented, savage and prone to violence. This gives blacks the upper hand when the two are thrust into the same environment like neighborhoods and schools.

    Blacks quickly form themselves into a group and antagonize the whites and/or other non-black groups. This throws most whites into confusion and despair since they are told that blacks are simply chocolate versions of themselves and that if one or two blacks are assholes that doesn’t mean they all are. Conversely, blacks take any slight from a white person as a personal group insult while this thinking is totally foreign to whites. Again, this gives them a tremendous advantage since they can easily isolate and torment whites under these circumstances and the individualistic whites will not come to each other’s aid.

    Let’s just say that after years of experience with blacks I know now why pre-1965 whites would sometimes employ extreme levels of violence against them when they molested a white person in any way. Blacks understand the language of violent retaliation very well and working class whites especially instinctively knew this was periodically required as a warning to blacks not to cross certain lines. And it worked until that order was overthrown in 1965.

    Lastly, Asians have a higher average I.Q. than both blacks and whites but get physically pushed around by both although much more so by the former whom you seem to love.

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  183. @Daniel Chieh
    China had a tendency to recognize the dangers of advanced technology in being unusually disruptive; for example, that widespread and powerful firearms would result in empowering the population versus the government. Such knowledge would thus be suppressed, and efforts were made to maintain "secret recipes" rather than focus on mass production. That would result in a lot of loss of technology.

    Incidentally, something like that seems to have happened to the American Apollo program, evidently the scale models have been destroyed, data deleted and enough experts have died such that we don't know how to send people to the moon anymore. We'll have to rediscover some things if we are to do another Apollo program.

    Every time advanced technology is cosigned to secrecy, it also seems to become easy to be forgotten.

    Europe tended not to be so "far-sighted" in realizing the disruptive effects of technology, resulting in the misery of many a king and an ever more powerful and restive population, but it worked out better for them as a whole.

    Incidentally, something like that seems to have happened to the American Apollo program, evidently the scale models have been destroyed, data deleted and enough experts have died such that we don’t know how to send people to the moon anymore. We’ll have to rediscover some things if we are to do another Apollo program.

    Sounds like they hid the figures. Puttin’ whitey on the moon stupid anyway. They can use all those computers and sh** to predict who fit to win the powerball.

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  184. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Simple. Can a white community refuse entry to blacks or Asians? No.

    Therein is the lack of freedom of association. An individual doesn't exist as an island, and a community isn't allowed to police its boundaries. Its much as if you had to force Amish to accommodate moderns in their midst.

    Hey DC,

    You bring up interesting points. A few from me:
    1) Likewise, Blacks and Asians can’t stop Whites from moving into their turf – so at this point, from a legal perspective it seems even. Whether or not some Whites want to live around them is a different issue. I think the only people that really have a legal means to block others (based on ethnicity) are the Native American nations in their tribal reservations – could be wrong.
    2) I actually don’t care if like-minded Whites get the rights to stop others from moving into their (how would it work – at the town or county or state level)? I really don’t want to live near others who don’t want to live near me – nor do I want to sit in a restaurant that is being forced to serve me (pee in the soup, anyone)?
    3) Related to #2, I actually think this would be a great idea. I’d like to see, once the legal barriers are removed, how many people actually start moving around and creating these Whites-only havens. That way it’s no longer in the realm of people hyping up or downplaying their attraction – I really want to see how many White people are down to live in exclusively White towns. My guess is that not too many Whites will do this officially. From what I can see, plenty of White communities keep others out by financially making it difficult for ghetto-thugs like Shanikwa and her boyfriend Ray-Ray from moving in – but most don’t mind if a cultured Black couple with money moves next door.
    4) Of course Whites-only rights then step on other Whites rights. For instance, my (White) neighbor was having trouble selling his house (and we’re in a super-majority White neighborhood) and wanted to move out because he was looking to downsize since his kids had moved out – but finally found a Vietnamese family who bought it. In those communities, those Whites would have to just deal with it until a White buyer came along I guess? Also, I guess a White guy couldn’t marry a Latina or Asian something, because then the mixed kids would screw up the demographics and ownership?

    Just some things to think about.

    Peace.

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    Its been done before. It was called segregation and in practice, it never resulted in complete exclusion, just a more selective criteria. Its permitted legally right now in Russia, and as can be seen, has not resulted in Russia turning into a racial hellhole. There's a lot of reasons to believe that its honestly more than a bit rational to allow people to have restrictive covenants if they are so inclined.
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  185. Gene Su says:
    @Negrolphin Pool

    If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.
     
    This is largely a myth. Whites who have to deal with the black underclass on a regular basis learn to manage, at least within certain bounds of power disparity. See Brotherhood, Aryan also Rorke's Drift.

    But without addressing the question you beg, when a Steven's Island Wren or any other innumerable such species under similar circumstances gets wiped out by cats, is it more interesting as an illustration of feline intelligence or as an example of the sequalae of invasive species injection?


    Why is it that the alt-right is still on the fringes? Why is it more people don’t agree with its views? I’ve already answered this on previous blogs and will only repeat my views here if some flamer provokes me.
     
    I'm sure there are many reasons why Alt-Right views remain on the fringes. Some Alt-Right fare is extreme, shocking and palatable only in small helpings, even to open-minded red pillers. Bird-eating tarantulas might be a great source of protein, but most people don't put them on hamburgers.

    The more solidly reasoned, difficult-to-refute strains like those expounded by Jared Taylor, Steve Sailer, Heartiste et al. probably haven't caught on with the masses because they aren't easily condensed into Family Guy punchlines. It's hard enough to explain to someone who works for a living and doesn't have infinite time to spend on amateur sociology projects that a one standard deviation population difference in IQ doesn't mean anything with respect to individuals, but has enormous implications for society as a whole.

    Good luck crafting a fun soundbite that captures why neocamaralism could provide a robust antidote to the long, progressive arc towards a smoking hole, or why the 19th Amendment was a seminal event in America's likely dissolution.

    Some of the ideas aren't popular because they rely on arguments that challenge even the most dogged bibliophiles to assimilate and retain all necessary facts and logical strands. So, in order to connect with the audience, things need to be made simpler than possible. Once the Alt-Righter is forced to abandon careful reasoning and resort to naked rhetoric, you get Stormfront, memes and slogans that are hilarious to the type of free-floating-hostility dudes that think spending a night in jail is kinda fun but barely indistinguishable to the average Joe from whatever caricatures of KKK rallies and Everything Else They Warn You Not To Be may haunt his mind. It takes some virtuosic persuasion to overwrite the public mind's lie-stained palempsest with undigestable truths like that the most bigoted, Stars and Bars bogeymen were substantially right on every major point. It's a difficult PR issue. But the more the left backs average whites into a corner, leaving them no honorable exit from being branded the racist enemy of Social Justice, the less insurmountable that PR challenge becomes.

    Also, can you please provide a link to your post?


    Why is it that the alt-right can’t enter the ranks of the elite? The elite is loaded with leftist SJW’s. Why are there no alt-righters among the elite?
     
    The Superjew cadres of the Frankfurt School spent their formative years in, what, the 30s? Patience, man.

    Since I gathered 4 alt-right flamers, who choose to use such convoluted, meaningless arguments, I’m going to repost my response to Dr. Robert Weissberg’s recent article:

    I think someone needs to write an article on *why* so many whites are fooled into believing that there is no black underclass problem and that the Alt-Right’s rantings are completely untrue. Conservatives harp about how the media has painted a rosy picture of blacks but that is a minor factor. I have written this argument on the blog posts for Dr. Gottfried’s recent article and will probably write this more times in the future.
    Most whites have *zero* contact with underclass blacks. This is especially true during their adolescent years. Most non-whites do not attend public schools that are majority black. A white child is more likely to encounter a white thug in elementary school than a black thug.
    No, seriously, think about it! If you go to a public school that is 99% white, chances are that all of the delinquents and trouble makers you meet are white. Amren likes to publish lots of nasty incidents involving black punks. So? There are plenty of incidents with white punks. I have seen white boys and white girls violently beating one another. I have had rocks thrown at me by white a-holes. I have had my stuff stolen by white thugs. I once violently beat the crap out of a white kid who threw a rock at me in summer camp and the counselor care-taker (who I admit was black) tried to protect him. Nicholas Stix once griped about how black adults (especially women) would try to protect black thugs. So? There were innumerable times when I was told by white teachers and caretakers that I better ignore my tormenters and turn the other cheek. It is very difficult to expel or discpline a white troublemaker in a suburban school.
    This has nothing to do with racism. The problem is that there is a massive decline in disciplinary standards in our public schools. A child also has far less freedom and options today to avoid punks and thugs. When you have a bloated bureaucracy like in many public schools, you’re going to have some adult care-takers who might not be morally responsible.
    A child who constantly is subjected to this might conclude that the white society from which these trouble makers come from is rotten to the core and has nothing to offer. Note that I am trying to point out the disconnect between what most people witness in their formative years and what the overall reality is. Unless you have access to crime statistics like Steve Sailer and Jared Taylor, you would not know that the black underclass is disproportionately responsible for most violent crime in America.

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    Sure, isolation from black dysfunction is a huge part of Alt-Right ideas not gaining wider traction, but that largely results in the whiteopia residents being completely unaware of the arguments, not the ideas themselves losing battles. Those people simply don't meaningfully engage with or think about issues that concern the Alt-Right except in the most fleeting, half-interested ways. Those people would probably have to be reached through memes and rhetoric, but, since these aren't central issues in their lives (yet), trying to reach them presents a serious challenge.

    I don't think we're really disagreeing.
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  186. @Talha
    Hey DC,

    You bring up interesting points. A few from me:
    1) Likewise, Blacks and Asians can't stop Whites from moving into their turf - so at this point, from a legal perspective it seems even. Whether or not some Whites want to live around them is a different issue. I think the only people that really have a legal means to block others (based on ethnicity) are the Native American nations in their tribal reservations - could be wrong.
    2) I actually don't care if like-minded Whites get the rights to stop others from moving into their (how would it work - at the town or county or state level)? I really don't want to live near others who don't want to live near me - nor do I want to sit in a restaurant that is being forced to serve me (pee in the soup, anyone)?
    3) Related to #2, I actually think this would be a great idea. I'd like to see, once the legal barriers are removed, how many people actually start moving around and creating these Whites-only havens. That way it's no longer in the realm of people hyping up or downplaying their attraction - I really want to see how many White people are down to live in exclusively White towns. My guess is that not too many Whites will do this officially. From what I can see, plenty of White communities keep others out by financially making it difficult for ghetto-thugs like Shanikwa and her boyfriend Ray-Ray from moving in - but most don't mind if a cultured Black couple with money moves next door.
    4) Of course Whites-only rights then step on other Whites rights. For instance, my (White) neighbor was having trouble selling his house (and we're in a super-majority White neighborhood) and wanted to move out because he was looking to downsize since his kids had moved out - but finally found a Vietnamese family who bought it. In those communities, those Whites would have to just deal with it until a White buyer came along I guess? Also, I guess a White guy couldn't marry a Latina or Asian something, because then the mixed kids would screw up the demographics and ownership?

    Just some things to think about.

    Peace.

    Its been done before. It was called segregation and in practice, it never resulted in complete exclusion, just a more selective criteria. Its permitted legally right now in Russia, and as can be seen, has not resulted in Russia turning into a racial hellhole. There’s a lot of reasons to believe that its honestly more than a bit rational to allow people to have restrictive covenants if they are so inclined.

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    Hey DC,

    As I said - I have no problems with this - I was just trying to work out the details. Again, segregation was over half a century ago so I don't know if parallels can be made exactly. I'm a fan of having a healthy distance between people that have different ways of setting up of running their communities; I think this helps. These used to be called things like enclaves or quarters (like the Armenian Quarter in Amman)

    One thing that I've always found interesting is that Whites are allowed to congregate in collectives (and even encouraged) depending on the context. Perhaps when it is not considered threatening. For example, at my daughter's high school there is a French club which is open to all speakers and she is a part of it along with others non-Europeans who have an interest in the language. However, there are also very obviously European ethno-linguistic clubs alongside the Filipino, Korean, etc. These clubs like the Serbian, Polish, Hellenic (Greek), etc. are specifically made (according to their own descriptions) for these ethnicities in order to keep their heritage and culture alive. To my knowledge, neither the Latinos nor Blacks are protesting them or asking to be allowed membership. I asked my daughter about it and she totally hasn't detected anything negative on the part of the other students in regards to those clubs - nobody thinks they are weird or offensive. But I'm sure a 'White' club would get negative attention. Is it because; a) the particular history with race in the US and/or b) these ethnicities are relatively newer (well the Poles have been around for a while) and the earlier ones are now White 'mutts' and thus don't have a good cognizance of their roots and lineage or 'tribe' and thus need to attach to something and 'White' is about as good as they can do?

    What's also interesting is that, while barely anyone would wear a shirt saying 'White Pride' - people do wear ones saying 'Irish and Proud', 'Proud Swede', etc. - you can find these shirts easily on the web and usually abound in specific cultural events like Midsummer, etc.:
    https://theprouditalian.com/

    I know around certain times of the year, near where I live, the Polish colors come out loud and proud all over the place - I don't know what the significance is, but it is quite noticeable.

    Peace.
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  187. Alden says:
    @Anon
    Is there a superior race? What would be the best way to assess such being?

    One possibility: the women decide, at least in our open and libertine world of free movement and choices.

    Before anything is possible, race must exist. Without existence, one is nothing. So, existence is the foundation of superiority because 'something' is superior to 'nothing', or what exists have superiority over what doesn't.
    Everything exists because it came into being. It didn't always exist. So, if conditions favor the coming-into-being or the birthing of something, then it has superiority or priority over what failed to come into being.

    So, race and racial identity depend largely on whom women choose to have babies with. That decides which men will spread most of their seeds and genes. Men who are not accepted by women cannot spread their seeds and genes. Deemed inferior as mates, their genetic codes will not pass down.

    At the basic animal-sexual level, what are women most attracted to? Muscle, height, penis size, and musicality.
    On this basic animalist basis, globalist formula is as follows: black men > white men > yellow men.

    And stats bear this out, even though some white guys are in denial because they feel ashamed to admit sexual defeat. In the past, women had far less freedom and were sexually restrained.
    So, there was less animalist factor in sexual behavior. Things were more moral and restrictive. Women had to maintain their reputation as 'good women'.
    Also, most women found one man and married him and had sex only with him. That was part of being a 'good ho' than a 'bad ho'.
    Also, as men had most of the jobs, women relied on men for support.
    Today, women are employed more extensively than men, and they can support themselves. Some choose to marry, but many just spend money on self-pleasure, and that means having loose sex with lots of men. Some become single-mothers with men who don't hang around.
    There was a time when candid talk of sex was deemed uncouth and vulgar among women. Today, young girls are raised on GIRLS(Dunham), SEX AND CITY, VAGINA MONOLOGUE, porny music videos(of Miley Cyrus), and lewd standup comedy. Women now openly talk about female genitalia, male genitalia, and even bungholes. And women brag about their 'conquests' like men do.

    Today, women are free to choose, allowed to be sexually uninhibited, and to have sex with lotsa men. In the past, Italian-American fathers would have thought it an infamia for their girls to act like hookers. But today, men of all races raise their girls to turn to sex at early age and go to springbreak and have orgy-porgies. Indeed, any father who says such thing is wrong and that he didn't raise his girl to be an offering to Mammon is seen as 'patriarchal' and Corleonic.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lA_WYpQEeJg

    So, animal drives come into play, and women are most turned on by height, muscle, musicality, and dong.
    So, from an animal-instinct viewpoint, black men are superior to white men who are superior to Asian men because women deem black men more manly than white men and deem white men more manly than Asian men.
    And, we have more and more white women(raised on rap music, black dominated sports from high school to pros, interracial porn, etc) going black and using their wombs to create babies for black men.
    And we have near-majority of Asian women in America rejecting Asian men as inferior and choosing to have 'white kids' with white men(or with other men). So, women decide which race is superior in our libertine globalized world. Everything else is academic.

    In many cases, Asian women prefer to have kids with white men, or even with black men who don't stick around than with Asian men who are willing to stick around. Asian women would rather be a single mother with children of 'superior man' than a married woman stuck with an inferior man who is 'nice'.

    Black men colonize white wombs, brown wombs, and yellow wombs. Plenty of white women are now single mothers with black babies. With millions of Africans arriving in EU, you can guess what the result will be. Massive Afro-colonization of white wombs. Black males whupping and 'pussifying' white males, rap music culture, interracial propaganda, 'anti-racism', cuckery as virtue for white males, promotion of blacks in education, homo-izing white men(even straight ones), and etc will all lead to massive colonization of white wombs by black men who are seen as superior by white women at the base-animal-level. Sexuality is animal drive, not an intellectual drive. It's like, if there is a nice decent homely smart girl with modest body and a dumbass nasty bimbo with big boobs and bouncy booty, many guys(even smart educated ones) will go with the latter. His moral sense may say the nice homely smart girl is superior, but his animal drive says the bodacious bimbo ho is the superior mate. It's like that Leonard Cohen song about how his woman got seduced away by some 'gypsy thief'.

    https://youtu.be/kkSERbdl39Q?t=2m6s

    In past societies where all people were within local & closed societies, the women only knew local men and didn't see them as inferior or superior. They were the only men they knew. But, modern women in globalized world compare their men with other men around the world(seen in movies, TV, sports, music, etc), and they may feel that their own men are 'losers'.
    Today, white, Mexican, Muslim, Jewish, and Asian boys are so desperate to be 'cool' that some imitate blacks or hang around blacks to prove they got 'street credit'. Blacks laugh at such 'puss-ass' behavior, but globo-boys pursue their transracial fantasy. Look at Shaun King. Maybe he is part black or maybe not, but he wants to be black than white cuz he sees blackness as 'cool', whiteness as 'lame'.
    A black guy doesn't have to associate himself with white, asian, or mexican to be 'badass', but globo-boys or globoys feel a need to git down and hang loose to be cool.

    Race is a sexual product. A white person is the product of white woman choosing to have kid with white man. If she prefers black man, then she will produce a black baby from her white womb that will be colonized by black sperm.
    If you are white, You are white because your white mother chose a white man. But if she'd gone black, her white womb would have spawned a black kid. Even white women who do marry white and have white kids believe there would have been nothing wrong if they'd chosen to have black kids. They have no sense of racial loyalty. So, your white mother feels she could have gone black and that would have been just fine.
    White women having black babies are increasing because whites worship blacks in sports, music, and sex. Whites admire black race as the superior race when it comes to sex, and THAT is crucial because all life is created by sex, or one's father humping one's mother.
    And since Asian men are seen as inferior, Asian women reject them and use their yellow wombs to create 'white'babies for white men. If Amy Chua's mama had grown up in the US, she would have likely gone with some Jewish or white guy too.

    So, which is the superior race? Before all else, a person of certain race must exist in the first place, and that means he must be born. And that means some guy has to fuck some woman. Existence trumps all and is the foundation of superiority.

    Indeed, existence is the first foundation of superiority. No matter how much a man claims to be superior, if a woman rejects him and chooses another man to have kids with, the OTHER man's sperm will have superiority. (For example, based on IQ scores, it can be claimed that Asian men are superior to all races except Jews/whites. After all, East Asian IQ is higher than that of blacks. But being sexually inferior in a world where Asian women now have free sexual choice, the claim of East Asian racial superiority based on geek IQ becomes irrelevant since women want non-Asian men to impregnate them.
    Asian men may be superior geeks, but women with 'liberated' and 'sexually-revolutionized' animal drives prefer studs, not duds. So, even as Asian geeks may be superior in science and math, they fail at the fundamental level of reproduction. They can multiply numbers but can't multiply genes through reproduction. Biologically, they are all about subtraction of their genes that women don't want.

    In the end, the men who spread most sperm is the superior from evolutionary vantage point. And current social setup of female choice and libertine sexuality favors black men over white men and white men over Asian men. Because Asian men are seen as dorks, they must make lots of money to attract women, and some Asian boys work hard to make money.

    All people are born through women. So, in a free and animalized society, superiority is judged by the raw sexual drives and sexual choices of women. Women watch stuff like SEX AND THE CITY where women are explicit about what they want in bed. Though it's not racially spelled out, it means the Modern Globalized women will admire the Joe Bucks of the world most since Pop Culture tropes go that way. Some may blame Liberal Hollywood for such stereotypes, but most stereotypes have some basis in fact.

    As the entire world becomes globalized by increased travel, internet, and mass immigration and emigration, men and women around the world are discovering they have divergent sexual values. Black men have higher value than black women, and Asian women have higher value than Asian men. And winners want to be with winners.

    White men will increasingly lose to black men(who are arriving by the millions to Europe to white women addicted to rap culture and jungle fever) and Asian men will lose to white and black men because Asian women, once given a globalist choice, prefer non-Asian men as superior to inferior Asian men who are seen as dorks. Globalism offers more freedom and choice to everyone but confers differs desirability to each group and each person. So, sexual freedom for blacks means that both black men and black women can hump anyone. But whereas black men are wanted by many, black women aren't wanted by many. Sex is different consumerism. Anyone with money can buy anything. But with sex, the other side has to agree. Any black woman with money can buy any TV. But is she wants some man, he has to say yes. And most men don't say yes to Thelma Jackson who be saying, "I's wants my man."

    For most of human history, women didn't have a choice. Also, they were expected to be faithful to one man for entire life. Even most men didn't have choice since many marriages were arranged by parents. Also, prior to imperialism and globalism, most races lived in separation from others.
    But now, at least in modern parts of the world, women get to choose the men. And they have a wide choice from all races since all societies are getting filled with diversity.

    And we see more and more white women not getting married and just having lots of loose sex. In colleges, many white girls got jungle fever for black athletes(who are worshiped as heroes by cucky white boys). Indeed, college coaches and recruiters attract black athletes with the lure of jungle-fever-mad white girls.

    All this globalism is done in the name of equality and 'anti-racism', but the result is totally about sexual inequality among races and the racial-sexual superiority of some men over others.

    So, what is the superior race? In today's globalized world where women have the freedom the choose, racial superiority is determined by whose seeds women choose to take. Each year, black seeds impregnates not only black wombs but white and yellow wombs. White men lose out to black men but spread their seeds to yellow wombs. So, by women's sexual choice, Asian males become most inferior race. Asian dorks may win math prizes, but their test papers don't create new life. They can only create new life through women.

    Now, we can be PC and say all races are equal or 'race is just a social construct', but the fact is women NOTICE race. And they choose based on race. And that means race is, above all, a sexual product.

    I think you type with one hand. People who endlessly rant about the opposite sex and what they imagine about other people’s sex lives usually aren’t getting any.

    Men choose as much as women do. And if they want a woman who doesn’t choose them they are much stronger and can take what they want.
    You copy and paste the same rant every few weeks and insert it into every thread.

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    No, Priss Factor's rants are always a bit different. He's very focused on this, but there's a meaningful point I think that has been a bit neglected. What's the point of questioning what is "superior?" Existence is pretty important!

    I don't know if ants are superior to saber-tooth tigers, for example, but the former seems to have survived extinction well while the latter, despite impressive strength and size, hasn't.
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  188. @Alden
    I think you type with one hand. People who endlessly rant about the opposite sex and what they imagine about other people's sex lives usually aren't getting any.

    Men choose as much as women do. And if they want a woman who doesn't choose them they are much stronger and can take what they want.
    You copy and paste the same rant every few weeks and insert it into every thread.

    No, Priss Factor’s rants are always a bit different. He’s very focused on this, but there’s a meaningful point I think that has been a bit neglected. What’s the point of questioning what is “superior?” Existence is pretty important!

    I don’t know if ants are superior to saber-tooth tigers, for example, but the former seems to have survived extinction well while the latter, despite impressive strength and size, hasn’t.

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  189. Stogumber says:

    What I am missing here is the problem of hostility and how to avoid it.
    For example, the use of “restricted” White (or generally, communitarian) settlements is to avoid hostile (anti-White) immigrants (@ Talha).
    Or, East Asians may surpass Whites as much as Jews have done, but East Asians don’t (yet?) share the Jewish hostility against Whites and their traditional culture, so East Asians are (yet?) by far preferable. (@ Sunbeam).
    As Hubbub, I am quite content to live a mediocre life under a non-White elite, if that elite is benevolent and not hostile.

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  190. Alden says:
    @Old fogey
    My heavens, what an awful picture you paint of contemporary women. I do hope you are wrong. You can't possibly be right that "men of all races raise their girls to turn to sex at early age." That goes against the grain of all that has ever been written about how fathers view their daughters.

    As far as your description of how women judge men, I beg to differ. Just look at the Hollywood actors noted for their appeal to women. I do not see that field filled with black actors. And, let's face it, no woman goes around choosing to mate with a man according to the size of his member - most of us never see his equipment until the decision has already been made, so it can't possibly have been an important deciding factor could it?

    Anon is a pervert. Most of his posts are about his sex fantasies about White women and non White men. His posts are all the same.

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  191. Frankie P says:
    @Diversity Heretic
    How was it possible for Jews to form Israel?

    Dispossession, creeping genocide and the construction of an apartheid system. Does that sound about right?

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  192. pecadeca says:

    I’ve often wondered if the higher “IQ” of most Asians might be a result of their being forced to learn an Alphabet of (to me) impossible complexity from the age of four. To be literate in Kanji and Chinese ideograms one has to master at least 3000 characters! This must effect the wiring of the ganglions and synapses. I suspect that any Caucasian child who mastered this task would probably perform better on standard intelligence tests too.

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    Koreans had so much trouble learning Chinese characters that Hangul, the Korean alphabet, had to be created. In the first part of the 20th century, most Chinese couldn't read. Even today, 5% of Chinese in China cannot read. Today, about 6% of the women, mostly elderly, in Macau and Hong Kong are illiterate.

    In 1980, only 37.8% of Singaporeans over the age of 65 were literate.
    In 1982, only 39.1% of Chinese men over the age of 60 were literate Only 4.6% of women over the age of 60 were literate. LINK
    With the exception of China, these countries now have the best school systems in the world.
    , @Triumph104
    I forgot to mention that China had to institute the use of simplified characters because the literacy rate was below 20% when the communists took over. The benefit of using Chinese characters is that all dialects can read each others writing.

    Japan is the only country that uses characters solely for tradition or non-practical reasons.
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  193. Mainland Chinese seem to have lost something. Their morality has been hollowed out by the events of the 20th century. The vacuum has been filled with Credentialism and Capitalism.

    Credentialism leads to intellectual cul-de-sacs and cheating on tests. Compare that with Charles Darwin who “preferred riding and shooting to studying.”

    And the logical result of Chinese Capitalism is life-shortening smog and putting melamine in milk powder.

    “What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet lose their soul?”

    I much prefer the Taiwanese world-view to the Mainland. Something has been retained.

    With Singapore and Hong Kong perhaps less has been retained, but at least that which has been lost has been filled with Western equivalents. One of the ironies of Western values is that they seem to work better for East Asians than even for Westerners. I recall a study where Asian babies adopted by Whites outperformed both non-adopted Whites & Asians.

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  194. Amasius says:
    @Gene Su
    I didn't get a chance to read all the comments as well as I wanted to, but I have 3 questions for every alt-righter on this blog.

    1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.

    2. Why is it that the alt-right is still on the fringes? Why is it more people don't agree with its views? I've already answered this on previous blogs and will only repeat my views here if some flamer provokes me.

    3. Why is it that the alt-right can't enter the ranks of the elite? The elite is loaded with leftist SJW's. Why are there no alt-righters among the elite? Why can't they have an influence on policy? Even though Jeff Sessions shares some views with the alt-right, I can't imagine him (and this is from distant observation) doing some of the things that, say, Jared Taylor or Richard Spencer might do if they were elected to high office.

    Here’s a retired professor to explain it for you:

    Short version: White people are highly conscientious individualist universalists obsessed with morality and it’s easy to flip it around on them and make them hate themselves even to the point of suicidality.

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  195. @Gene Su
    Since I gathered 4 alt-right flamers, who choose to use such convoluted, meaningless arguments, I'm going to repost my response to Dr. Robert Weissberg's recent article:

    I think someone needs to write an article on *why* so many whites are fooled into believing that there is no black underclass problem and that the Alt-Right’s rantings are completely untrue. Conservatives harp about how the media has painted a rosy picture of blacks but that is a minor factor. I have written this argument on the blog posts for Dr. Gottfried’s recent article and will probably write this more times in the future.
    Most whites have *zero* contact with underclass blacks. This is especially true during their adolescent years. Most non-whites do not attend public schools that are majority black. A white child is more likely to encounter a white thug in elementary school than a black thug.
    No, seriously, think about it! If you go to a public school that is 99% white, chances are that all of the delinquents and trouble makers you meet are white. Amren likes to publish lots of nasty incidents involving black punks. So? There are plenty of incidents with white punks. I have seen white boys and white girls violently beating one another. I have had rocks thrown at me by white a-holes. I have had my stuff stolen by white thugs. I once violently beat the crap out of a white kid who threw a rock at me in summer camp and the counselor care-taker (who I admit was black) tried to protect him. Nicholas Stix once griped about how black adults (especially women) would try to protect black thugs. So? There were innumerable times when I was told by white teachers and caretakers that I better ignore my tormenters and turn the other cheek. It is very difficult to expel or discpline a white troublemaker in a suburban school.
    This has nothing to do with racism. The problem is that there is a massive decline in disciplinary standards in our public schools. A child also has far less freedom and options today to avoid punks and thugs. When you have a bloated bureaucracy like in many public schools, you’re going to have some adult care-takers who might not be morally responsible.
    A child who constantly is subjected to this might conclude that the white society from which these trouble makers come from is rotten to the core and has nothing to offer. Note that I am trying to point out the disconnect between what most people witness in their formative years and what the overall reality is. Unless you have access to crime statistics like Steve Sailer and Jared Taylor, you would not know that the black underclass is disproportionately responsible for most violent crime in America.

    Sure, isolation from black dysfunction is a huge part of Alt-Right ideas not gaining wider traction, but that largely results in the whiteopia residents being completely unaware of the arguments, not the ideas themselves losing battles. Those people simply don’t meaningfully engage with or think about issues that concern the Alt-Right except in the most fleeting, half-interested ways. Those people would probably have to be reached through memes and rhetoric, but, since these aren’t central issues in their lives (yet), trying to reach them presents a serious challenge.

    I don’t think we’re really disagreeing.

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  196. It’s all true. That’s why Whites in these comments get so upset (Whites don’t have the Asian restraint) when these basic facts are brought up and try to donwplay them by bringing up inaccurate stuff like East Asians “lacking curiosity” or parts of Europe “having an IQ of 105″ (LOL) or even including Northern Italy (a genetically Southern European area) in “Northern Europe”.

    IMO, a peaceful replacement of Whites by Asians via immigration would be a net positive, whether the former like it or not.

    A lot of us Southern Europeans prefer Asians to Whites too so we would be ok with it.

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  197. map says:

    I have never understood the value or importance of these “Math Olympiads” or these “spelling bees” or “Physics Olympiads.” You are just solving a bunch of pre-existing problems. It’s like memorizing and drilling a solution set over and over again. Start a bunch of kids young enough doing that and you will see a lot of them winning these olympiads. So what? Oh, my favorite are the Westinghouse science fair projects where the kids have the parents do their projects for them.

    What’s next? A “Rubik’s Cube” Olympiad?

    Are these the modern versions of the Chinese civil service exams that tested the Chinese best and brightest to move upward in society, yet kept China from actually inventing any of the math, science and engineering at which they are so incredibly gifted? We’ve seen what happened to modern science and technology over the 40 or so years that non-whites have taken it over since the 70′s…complete stagnation. From 1930 to 1970, technological and scientific achievement re-made the world. After 1970…nothing. We have the USB port.

    Yes, they will sit 12 hours a day, memorizing solutions to existing problems so they can spit the answer back in some competition. You know what else can do that? Google. Or Mathematica.

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  198. comment: damn fred, leave it up to you to stir the pond :) you need to give them some “safe” space :)

    I just noticed a new kind of attacker on fred’s articles, by only mentioning north-east asians, fred made new enemies of the other asians :)

    on topic: Innovation only happens when one is done with playing catch up, and asians have already caught up in certain fields. fred is spot on as always.

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  199. map says:

    This is not the first time a civilization was kept down by invaders. Look at what happened when the Andalusian invaders were removed from Spain: Spain became a superpower. It’s culture thrived when te yoke of islamic rule was removed from it.

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  200. Truth says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Repeated nonsense doesn't make it any truer. The inability to guard boundaries means that boundaries can't exist, and therefore you have no freedom to association: you can't choose to associate with only the people you want.

    And that is, and remains ridiculous.

    Restore freedom of association and I suspect that at least half if not more of the Alt-Right will be happy, and you'll see remarkably little "hate" or "supremacy" involved.

    Maybe, somehow my comments were misunderstood, which is strange because your English seems perfect. I don’t know any Mandarin or Cantonese, so I will retry:

    You are free to associate with anyone you want. If you buy a piece of property, YOU get to say who comes upon it and who does not. You get to say whom your friends are, whom you marry, etc. Therefore, there is “freedom of association.”

    Now in the fantasy world in which you are living, who gets to be the arbiter? Who gets to say, “I don’t like Chinks, so pick up Chink Chieh, and send him back with the other Chinks”?

    Is this what you are arguing for?

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    Except you don't have that freedom of association. You can't say that you don't want to hire Asians, and you can't disallow Asians from entering your restaurant. Nor can you refuse to rent to Asians.

    As for my "fantasy" world: The owners of the properties - homeowner associates or other community entities which will be able to declare as such. As noted, its been done in other places, and it rarely goes out of hand.

    I find myself weary of repetition, but communities do need to be able to set boundaries to defend themselves. Again, if Amish were forced for "equality reasons" to permit moderns to live in their land, or send their children to modern education, they would not be Amish.

    I disagree with your notion of an undifferentiated America.

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  201. Truth says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Simple. Can a white community refuse entry to blacks or Asians? No.

    Therein is the lack of freedom of association. An individual doesn't exist as an island, and a community isn't allowed to police its boundaries. Its much as if you had to force Amish to accommodate moderns in their midst.

    Simple. Can a white community refuse entry to blacks or Asians? No.

    There is only one true “community” in America; that is, America, itself. Every American has the legal right to live anywhere he chooses and can afford. This is as simple as it comes. If you want to be around “the beautiful white folks”, well Daniel, you’re just going to have to make more money; and if you want to be around other Chinese, well Daniel, there is a whole country of 1.2B, in which you can make this happen.

    What’s unfair about that?

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  202. Truth says:
    @Svigor

    Tell me again how white people are being forced to date, marry or otherwise associate with non-white people if they otherwise don’t wish to?

    Oh wait, that’s right. They aren’t.
     
    Fuckface, changing the subject isn't an argument.

    Whitefish, Montana, Dicky Spencer’s stomping grounds, which as of the 2010 census was approximately 96% white:
     

    The state of Montana remains roughly 90% white.
     
    I.e., not all-White. These all-White American communities exist only in leftists' delusions.

    Fuckface, changing the subject isn’t an argument.

    What argument did he change?

    (Oh, and by the way, Sviggy, how is your self-selected, %70 black, town of residence? Haven’t been to S.C in a while but I’m planning a trip down south this summer. Drinks are on me, we’ll go meet some broads, black, or white, you choose…)

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  203. Truth says:
    @Sunbeam
    "1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand."

    Do they really?

    Tell me something. If four or five black people beat a single white person senseless, what happens? It might get covered by the media a little, might not (and I'd wager it happens every day). The police will treat it as a crime (well in a lot of areas, some they might not even bother investigating for - reasons).

    Flip that. Four or five white guys beat a single black person senseless.

    Now tell me what happens? I have a pretty good mental image, but maybe you would care to comment?

    Just as a sidenote, there is some historically odd notion that a mob of people beating down a single person is cowardly or something. It's not. It is a tactic, and quite a good one.

    I think blacks innately understand a simple truth that most of the humans who have ever lived knew well. It's "One for all, and all on one."

    If Vito started trying to muscle in on Tony's turf, one of Vito's guys might be found with his hands tied behind his back and a bullet in his head. This was called "Sending a message."

    If say some white community didn't care to have blacks on their turf for any reason, and some unfortunate black guy was found the next day with his hands tied behind his back and a bullet in his head...

    Tell me what happens in this situation?

    Tell me something. If four or five black people beat a single white person senseless, what happens? The police will treat it as a crime…

    Well, yeah, that’s a strong possibility.

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  204. Truth says:
    @Sunbeam
    "1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand."

    Do they really?

    Tell me something. If four or five black people beat a single white person senseless, what happens? It might get covered by the media a little, might not (and I'd wager it happens every day). The police will treat it as a crime (well in a lot of areas, some they might not even bother investigating for - reasons).

    Flip that. Four or five white guys beat a single black person senseless.

    Now tell me what happens? I have a pretty good mental image, but maybe you would care to comment?

    Just as a sidenote, there is some historically odd notion that a mob of people beating down a single person is cowardly or something. It's not. It is a tactic, and quite a good one.

    I think blacks innately understand a simple truth that most of the humans who have ever lived knew well. It's "One for all, and all on one."

    If Vito started trying to muscle in on Tony's turf, one of Vito's guys might be found with his hands tied behind his back and a bullet in his head. This was called "Sending a message."

    If say some white community didn't care to have blacks on their turf for any reason, and some unfortunate black guy was found the next day with his hands tied behind his back and a bullet in his head...

    Tell me what happens in this situation?

    Just as a sidenote, there is some historically odd notion that a mob of people beating down a single person is cowardly or something. It’s not. It is a tactic, and quite a good one.

    Now this makes sense, and is the foundation of what we call, “military strategy.”

    “If say some white community didn’t care to have blacks on their turf for any reason, and some unfortunate black guy was found the next day with his hands tied behind his back and a bullet in his head…

    Tell me what happens in this situation?”

    Well I would assume the police would investigate a murder, No?

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  205. Truth says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Not complicated.

    1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.

    Why do whites Americans intimidate higher IQ Asian Americans? ;)

    Regarding blacks, in the present situation, whites are unable to use their advantages - higher IQ, discipline and organization. Right now, it's one-on-one, street-fighting mode. Blacks definitely have the advantage there. They are stronger and more aggressive. But they are also less intelligent and completely unable to organize. If whites were ever allowed to use their natural advantages, they'd demolish blacks, much like a very small British army controlled large swaths of Africa for a century or two.

    However, as whites are so cowed at the moment, you have to say advantage blacks. Having some superior skills in a fight doesn't mean much if you don't use them. That's where whites are for now. We'll see if they ever stand up for themselves.

    2. Why is it that the alt-right is still on the fringes? Why is it more people don’t agree with its views? I’ve already answered this on previous blogs and will only repeat my views here if some flamer provokes me.


    Generations of indoctrination work. From the time that whites are babies, they are told through books, TV and schools (and, sadly, their own parents) that whites are cause of all the world's problems. Nazi, Nazi, Nazi. Original sin of being white.

    Propaganda works, at least white the radio station keep working.

    Will whites continue to believe the propaganda as we move to minority status? I don't know. At some point reality starts to punch you in the face and what you see on TV looks less and less plausible. Heck, I'm Exhibit A. Ten years ago, I was your typical Libertarian Republican that believed that blacks, whites and Asians were the same under the skin.

    When you're raised like the Truman Show, it takes a lot to realize that it's all been a lie.

    3. Why is it that the alt-right can’t enter the ranks of the elite? The elite is loaded with leftist SJW’s. Why are there no alt-righters among the elite? Why can’t they have an influence on policy? Even though Jeff Sessions shares some views with the alt-right, I can’t imagine him (and this is from distant observation) doing some of the things that, say, Jared Taylor or Richard Spencer might do if they were elected to high office.


    See my answer to Question 2.

    Basically, the question is will whites wake up. Honestly, I don't know. I've said before the NW Europeans were bred for a certain environment. (See HBD Chick for endless info on that.) And we thrived in that environment for 500 years. But the environment has changed. (Ironically, we caused the change.) Frankly, we're not particularly suited for the current environment. (Hey, what kind of Nazi, white suprematist is this guy.)

    Will we make it? Not as we are, no. Many whites will die childless or blend in with other groups. The real question is whether whites who still retain a sense of people (clan) will survive. On that, I don't know. But I'll do my best to give people like that a chance, just as Jews back in the day fought to keep their people intact.

    Mock it or not, I simply want my people to survive. Not sure why everyone thinks this is evil. I'm not trying to destroy your people, just protect my own. And I can't imagine a better cause.

    If whites were ever allowed to use their natural advantages, they’d demolish blacks,

    Who’s stopping you, Whites? Doesn’t seem like much of an advantage when you look at it like that.

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    Who’s stopping you, Whites?

    Um, the Department of Justice, the media, academia, Soros, SPLC, etc.

    Whites sticking up for themselves is a major threat to various powerful groups, and they will use all of their power to crush it. There's a reason Steve Sailer doesn't write for the NYT. There's a reason the Derb got fired from NR. There's a reason you never hear the end of the practically non-existent and comical KKK. There's a reason you never stop hearing about Russia.

    Can you even imagine the firepower that would be aimed at a group of Joe Blow white guys in Indiana if they formed a self-defense group against underclass blacks in their neighborhood. There lives would be destroyed in a week and would never recover.

    Nope. Best to operate under the radar at the moment. Join civic and business groups and carefully seek out those that agree with you. Then, move to forming European-American associations similar to current Jewish, black, Hispanic and women's groups. Once you have that foothold, the path is pretty clear.
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  206. Truth says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Not complicated.

    1. If white people are so much more intelligent than black people, why is it that they get pushed around by black people all the time? Evidently, there is something that black people know and are good at that allows them to get the upper hand.

    Why do whites Americans intimidate higher IQ Asian Americans? ;)

    Regarding blacks, in the present situation, whites are unable to use their advantages - higher IQ, discipline and organization. Right now, it's one-on-one, street-fighting mode. Blacks definitely have the advantage there. They are stronger and more aggressive. But they are also less intelligent and completely unable to organize. If whites were ever allowed to use their natural advantages, they'd demolish blacks, much like a very small British army controlled large swaths of Africa for a century or two.

    However, as whites are so cowed at the moment, you have to say advantage blacks. Having some superior skills in a fight doesn't mean much if you don't use them. That's where whites are for now. We'll see if they ever stand up for themselves.

    2. Why is it that the alt-right is still on the fringes? Why is it more people don’t agree with its views? I’ve already answered this on previous blogs and will only repeat my views here if some flamer provokes me.


    Generations of indoctrination work. From the time that whites are babies, they are told through books, TV and schools (and, sadly, their own parents) that whites are cause of all the world's problems. Nazi, Nazi, Nazi. Original sin of being white.

    Propaganda works, at least white the radio station keep working.

    Will whites continue to believe the propaganda as we move to minority status? I don't know. At some point reality starts to punch you in the face and what you see on TV looks less and less plausible. Heck, I'm Exhibit A. Ten years ago, I was your typical Libertarian Republican that believed that blacks, whites and Asians were the same under the skin.

    When you're raised like the Truman Show, it takes a lot to realize that it's all been a lie.

    3. Why is it that the alt-right can’t enter the ranks of the elite? The elite is loaded with leftist SJW’s. Why are there no alt-righters among the elite? Why can’t they have an influence on policy? Even though Jeff Sessions shares some views with the alt-right, I can’t imagine him (and this is from distant observation) doing some of the things that, say, Jared Taylor or Richard Spencer might do if they were elected to high office.


    See my answer to Question 2.

    Basically, the question is will whites wake up. Honestly, I don't know. I've said before the NW Europeans were bred for a certain environment. (See HBD Chick for endless info on that.) And we thrived in that environment for 500 years. But the environment has changed. (Ironically, we caused the change.) Frankly, we're not particularly suited for the current environment. (Hey, what kind of Nazi, white suprematist is this guy.)

    Will we make it? Not as we are, no. Many whites will die childless or blend in with other groups. The real question is whether whites who still retain a sense of people (clan) will survive. On that, I don't know. But I'll do my best to give people like that a chance, just as Jews back in the day fought to keep their people intact.

    Mock it or not, I simply want my people to survive. Not sure why everyone thinks this is evil. I'm not trying to destroy your people, just protect my own. And I can't imagine a better cause.

    Honestly, I don’t know. I’ve said before the NW Europeans were bred for a certain environment. (See HBD Chick for endless info on that.) And we thrived in that environment for 500 years. But the environment has changed. (Ironically, we caused the change.) Frankly, we’re not particularly suited for the current environment.

    I mean, Bro., your ancestors had to deal with floods that wiped out the world*, 25 foot tall Mastadons, and Ice Ages, all you and your children have to deal with is, well, an increasingly “vibrant and colorful world” should be a piece of cake!

    *This is an inside joke to myself, dealing with the true biblical, origins of man; but damn is it funny.

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  207. berserker says:

    You may want to check Taleb’s Twitter feed. He discussed the problem with standard IQ measures.

    - Also hasn’t the US Army been using standard IQ testing for over hundred years?

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  208. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Its been done before. It was called segregation and in practice, it never resulted in complete exclusion, just a more selective criteria. Its permitted legally right now in Russia, and as can be seen, has not resulted in Russia turning into a racial hellhole. There's a lot of reasons to believe that its honestly more than a bit rational to allow people to have restrictive covenants if they are so inclined.

    Hey DC,

    As I said – I have no problems with this – I was just trying to work out the details. Again, segregation was over half a century ago so I don’t know if parallels can be made exactly. I’m a fan of having a healthy distance between people that have different ways of setting up of running their communities; I think this helps. These used to be called things like enclaves or quarters (like the Armenian Quarter in Amman)

    One thing that I’ve always found interesting is that Whites are allowed to congregate in collectives (and even encouraged) depending on the context. Perhaps when it is not considered threatening. For example, at my daughter’s high school there is a French club which is open to all speakers and she is a part of it along with others non-Europeans who have an interest in the language. However, there are also very obviously European ethno-linguistic clubs alongside the Filipino, Korean, etc. These clubs like the Serbian, Polish, Hellenic (Greek), etc. are specifically made (according to their own descriptions) for these ethnicities in order to keep their heritage and culture alive. To my knowledge, neither the Latinos nor Blacks are protesting them or asking to be allowed membership. I asked my daughter about it and she totally hasn’t detected anything negative on the part of the other students in regards to those clubs – nobody thinks they are weird or offensive. But I’m sure a ‘White’ club would get negative attention. Is it because; a) the particular history with race in the US and/or b) these ethnicities are relatively newer (well the Poles have been around for a while) and the earlier ones are now White ‘mutts’ and thus don’t have a good cognizance of their roots and lineage or ‘tribe’ and thus need to attach to something and ‘White’ is about as good as they can do?

    What’s also interesting is that, while barely anyone would wear a shirt saying ‘White Pride’ – people do wear ones saying ‘Irish and Proud’, ‘Proud Swede’, etc. – you can find these shirts easily on the web and usually abound in specific cultural events like Midsummer, etc.:

    https://theprouditalian.com/

    I know around certain times of the year, near where I live, the Polish colors come out loud and proud all over the place – I don’t know what the significance is, but it is quite noticeable.

    Peace.

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    I would say that for some reason, every race besides Whites is allowed to organize for their self-interest - a fairly strange thing. You wouldn't be able to get a political action committee of Irish either, but you can have one of the Indians.

    The implied reason, of course, is that it is a resistance against discriminatory impact. I won't deny that, but it does not at all seem fair or meaningful that some people are allowed to organize but not others.

    In the end, I don't think we disagree so much. I basically believe that people should be allowed to isolate if they so desire. In practice, the evidence is that such restrictions would be rather limited and economics will largely trump restrictions. EvolutionaryX documents how during the segregation period, a researcher sent his Chinese lab assistant to get service at 500 restaurants, half of which were white-only. He was denied to only one.

    Freedom of association largely seems to just restore basically that - the freedom to associate, to allow or deny service. With the exception of some things such as hospital services, I think that's more than fine.
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  209. S Johnson says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Noticing differences isn't the same thing as asserting superiority in all realms, though. I'm fairly certain that Asians have a general lack of curiousity - including myself. I credit my largely conservative views for a personal fondness for stability over innovation as well.

    This implies that our accomplishments will be more notable if in fact, all of the low-hanging fruit of science has been picked and there isn't as much innovation left in the world. If the opposite is true, I'm fairly sure that we will continue to lag behind in many metrics.

    I feel that Mr. Reed's understanding of HBD's adherents is limited. I can acknowledge the hereditary advantage of Keynan long-distance runners over mine without necessarily classifying them as a super-race in all aspects of life.

    As it pertains to Alt Right types (I am not sure if Reed is including the more general group of White Natioanlists) it’s clear that Reed made use of the straw man arguments, when utilizing his characteristic colorful language. One instance was when he characterized Alt Right types as thinking non-Whites as “dark scum”

    From Grammar Girl (link removed to avoid comment being marked as spam):

    “Debaters invoke a straw man when they put forth an argument—usually something extreme or easy to argue against—that they know their opponent doesn’t support. You put forth a straw man because you know it will be easy for you to knock down or discredit. It’s a way of misrepresenting your opponent’s position”

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    What's particularly bewildering is that Mr. Reed focuses not even on the Alt-Right, where his target may be more meaningfully specific, but on HBD itself. The observation of differences lacks any political agenda at all, and I've even seen a left-leaning arguments using HBD - the most specific being a speaker who said that just because whites have won the genetic lottery, it should not mean that they should enjoy an advantage in life, and therefore should share their gains with blacks. I find the notion quite revulsive, but it changes little that it is an HBD argument.

    It is quite senseless to necessarily equate HBD with any form of nationalism at all.
    , @DerSohndesAllvaters
    I didn't know that grammar girl did logic.
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  210. Joe Wong says:
    @DCBillS
    Gunpowder wan't so much invented as discovered. Somebody built a fire in a cave (with a saltpeter deposit) and noticed something unusual and it was taken from there.

    Isn’t it true for everything? Following your logic everything is a discovery and there is no invention, in fact everything is a remix if you can apply your logic intelligently.

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    Was electricity discovered, harnessed or invented?
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  211. If Asians, say the Chinese, are so wickedly supremely otherwordly smart and brilliant, why are their air and water systems so ungodly polluted and why do so many of them want to leave these nations with all those brilliant people? There are ways to gauge intelligence and achievement beyond the score on a physics or math exam.

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    Are the air and water systems so ungodly polluted in China? Or it is simply fake news fabricated by the people with a mindset belonging to the past, stalled in the old days of colonialism and constrained by the zero-sum cold war mentality and their lives is nothing but trolling negativity about others relentlessly and endlessly, and waging reckless wars based on those fake news.

    Why do so many Asians, say the Chinese, want to leave their nations? Perhaps they find it is easier to make a better living in places where people are less smart and brilliant like the USA as the author suggested.

    In fact it is all capitalism’s fault, it makes people worship money and gauge everything in according to money including intelligence and achievement, people good at physics or math exams make more money, so the natural conclusion is people good at physics or math exams are more intelligent and have higher achievements. You should blame capitalism not the Asians.
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  212. @Truth

    If whites were ever allowed to use their natural advantages, they’d demolish blacks,
     
    Who's stopping you, Whites? Doesn't seem like much of an advantage when you look at it like that.

    Who’s stopping you, Whites?

    Um, the Department of Justice, the media, academia, Soros, SPLC, etc.

    Whites sticking up for themselves is a major threat to various powerful groups, and they will use all of their power to crush it. There’s a reason Steve Sailer doesn’t write for the NYT. There’s a reason the Derb got fired from NR. There’s a reason you never hear the end of the practically non-existent and comical KKK. There’s a reason you never stop hearing about Russia.

    Can you even imagine the firepower that would be aimed at a group of Joe Blow white guys in Indiana if they formed a self-defense group against underclass blacks in their neighborhood. There lives would be destroyed in a week and would never recover.

    Nope. Best to operate under the radar at the moment. Join civic and business groups and carefully seek out those that agree with you. Then, move to forming European-American associations similar to current Jewish, black, Hispanic and women’s groups. Once you have that foothold, the path is pretty clear.

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    Who’s stopping you, Whites?

    Um, the Department of Justice, the media, academia, Soros, SPLC, etc.
     
    Oh, so yeah, whites...


    Can you even imagine the firepower that would be aimed at a group of Joe Blow white guys in Indiana if they formed a self-defense group against underclass blacks in their neighborhood. There lives would be destroyed in a week and would never recover.
     
    There is no law against self-defense, that's why we have dojos. It's when it becomes SELF-OFFENSE, that it becomes a problem....with the whites that stop you whites from doing everything else.
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  213. bomag says:
    @Godfree Roberts
    I, too, grew up with outhouses. What I didn't grow up with was millions of children starving to death around me. Mao did, and he put a permanent end to it. India did, too, and millions of their children are still starving to death.

    I discount the stats about China’s suffering under Mao. Stats? China's stats are fine. I merely disprove evidence-free allegations, as any discerning reader does.

    South Africa back in the day was one of the most embargoed countries? Baloney. South Africa's embargo was a joke. The legislation aimed only to ban all new U.S. trade and investment in South Africa, was weakly enforced and lifted after five years. The China embargo lasted 20 years and was aimed at blocking all investment, all technology transfers and all shipments of food–thus starving the country into submission. My country was not permitted to ship grain to China during the famine and even not-t00-racially-sensitive Australians thought that was excessively cruel.

    I came on here lauding the economic performance of communist China because, despite the embargoes, bombings, piracy, terrorism and efforts to destabilize her, the Chinese economy today is 30% bigger than the USA's, growing 300% faster, with a 10% higher labor participation rate (despite having labor costs the same as ours), carrying less debt and is pulling ahead of ours in virtually every technology. After a 25 year embargo, much of which–like dual use technology–is still in place.

    Most international embargoes are a joke. We were something like Cuba’s third largest trading partner, and a lot of the restrictions were from the Cuban side.

    Same with China. They never lacked the ability to import; they are masters at routing things through a third party. Again, most of the restrictions were from their side, probably in service to encouraging internal production.

    You’re flogging one data point to explain away Mao’s shortcomings.

    Yes, China has had wonderful achievement, but it has been in spite of Mao.

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  214. Miro23 says:

    With all due respect to Fred, I think that the article misses the point.

    Different societies work in different ways, and the more advanced ones make many judgments regarding, taxation, legal systems, education, infrastructure, welfare etc.

    For example, Japan’s social organization is very different from Switzerland’s but both nations are fairly happy with the result, and they probably wouldn’t want to swap one system for the other.

    The point is that both systems promote national unity, with (in a general way), each Japanese or Swiss being part of an extended family, with the consequent opportunities and responsibilities.

    What they don’t have, is one race struggling against another with a sort of elite racial warfare, and something bordering on contempt for the other citizens of the country of which they are supposed to be a part.

    Functional families try to get the best out of all their members (despite having differing abilities), so the real questions are, Who and how many will be invited to join the family? Are they committed to the wellbeing of all the family? Do they accept the family ethos? Are they going to contribute or do they just want food and shelter? Will they promote unity or divisiveness?

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    (A skeptic might note that the phenomenal achievement of the Asians belonged until recently to Jews, whose genetically immutable IQ seems to have fallen precipitately while the genetically immutable IQ of the Asians has risen in an huge genetic shift without benefit of selective pressure. But let’s not ruin a good story by thinking about it. )

    Sorry to ruin a good story, but doesn’t this “huge genetic shift” have something to do with the extreme studying undertaken by many Asians, or do IQ tests fully correct for that?

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  215. You saw what the partial embargo did to Russia’s economy in 2015 and 2016 (and how the USA crowed about it), and Russia’s economy was vastly advanced over China’s in the 1950s and 1960s.

    Everything that China is today was built on Mao’s 20 years of fighting and 25 years of building. Everything. Here’s a sample, from someone who lived through it and is now a professor of history in the USA:
    With the great help of the then Soviet Union, the Chinese government and Chinese people made great strides in industrialization particularly during the Great Leap Forward years. Starting from a low base, the Chinese made their first car, their first truck, their first tractor, their first airplane, their first gunboat, and so on, in the late 1950s during the Great Leap Forward. A number of important plants were built with the help of the then Soviet Union, and began to play important roles in China’s economic life.

    Also during the Great Leap Forward, Chinese peasants built a great number of reservoirs throughout China. Of the ten biggest reservoirs in China today, the Danjiangkou Reservoir, Miyun Reservoir, Shisanling Reservoir, Xiashan Reservoir, Xinanjiang Reservoir, Lushui Reservoir, Xinfengjiang Reservoir, Songtao Reservoir, Shengzhong Reservoir, and Guanyinge Reservoir, nine were built during the Great Leap Forward.
    From 1949 to 1976, the 27 years of the Mao Era, Chinese peasants, under the leadership of the Chinese Communist Party and Chairman Mao, worked on 200,000 kilometers of banks of the Yellow River, Hui River, Hai River, Liao River, and so on to prevent floods. In 1949, before the Communist Party came to power, there were only 6 big reservoirs, 13 medium-sized reservoirs, and 1,200 small reservoirs in China. During the 27-year Mao Era, the organized peasants built 302 big reservoirs (a 50-fold increase, mostly during the Great Leap Forward), 2,110 medium-sized reservoirs (a 162-fold increase), and 82,000 small reservoirs (a 68-fold increase). The total reservoir capacity rose from 20 billion cubic metres before Liberation to 450 billion cubic meters in 1976 – a 21-fold increase. These irrigation projects, combining the functions of irrigation, flood control and electricity generation, effectively mitigated the potential damages of floods and droughts that threatened the livelihood of peasants for thousands of years. Chinese peasants no longer were helpless before the vicissitudes of nature for their grain production.14

    This past summer (2014), I was invited by Xu Junshan, Professor of Zhongshan University and Vice President of Guangdong University, to give a talk at Zhongshan University on China’s agricultural development. While there, Professor Xu took me to see the two big reservoirs built during the Great Leap Forward in Guangdong Province: Xin Fengjiang Reservoir and Fengshubai Reservoir. Xinfengjiang Reservoir was nationally famous at the time it was built. I had read about it before, but seeing it in person this summer nevertheless had a profound impact on me. The reservoir has a 14 billion cubic meter capacity, an average of ten cubic meters of clean water for each Chinese citizen today. It has generated billions of kilowatts of electricity, helping power China’s rural and urban development. It has been an important asset in flood control and irrigation for the region. Today, it is one of the most important water sources for Guangdong Province and Hong Kong.

    In the reservoir’s museum, I wept in front of the pictures of peasants working with hand tools at night on the projects. They touched me because they reminded me of my own participation in the building of the biggest irrigation project in my own village during the Cultural Revolution. I was in middle school in 1970. But when we heard that our village’s irrigation project was reaching a critical stage in construction, my classmates, teachers, and I all went there to volunteer at night. We worked with the peasants until past midnight. Local government officials, school teachers, and soldiers all came to volunteer. It was the social climate of the time under the Communist government.

    After my recent visit to Guangdong, I was asked to say a few words in front of a TV camera. I said that the Mao Era was an era of construction, laying the foundation for China’s future take-off. The peasants and workers of the Mao era, our predecessors, were born to unprecedented hardship and made tremendous sacrifices for China’s rise today. They were the heroes of China and they should be remembered as such by the young people of today. Tears almost came to my eyes when I spoke because there were so many in China who were actually accusing Chairman Mao and his generation of leaders of undermining Chinese development because of the Great Leap Forward. They have been effectively brainwashed by the rumours spread by China’s enemies.

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    The Great Leap Forward also laid the foundation for China’s industrialization. During the three years of the Great Leap Forward, China made great strides in the output of steel, coal, machine tools and electricity. The increase of output over these three years accounted for 36.2 per cent of China’s total coal production, 29.6 per cent of China’s cloth production, and 25.9 per cent of China’s electricity generation between 1949 and 1979.15 Of the industrial projects the Chinese government launched between 1949 and 1964, two-thirds were started during the Great Leap Forward. During the second five-year-plan, which included the three years of the Great Leap Forward, China invested 120,090 million yuan and completed 581 big and medium industrial projects. Fixed national industrial assets increased by 861,820 million yuan. Without the hard work of the Great Leap Forward, it would be hard to imagine that China would be able to take off in the automobile, boat, transportation, and national defence industries. That China would develop nuclear bombs and satellites would be questionable.16
    The Great Leap Forward grain shortages
    Post-Mao Chinese scholars, together with their foreign counterparts, try to paint a very dark picture of the Great Leap Forward. They claim that the Great Leap Forward created an unprecedented famine in China. They circulate rumours that 36 or more millions of people starved to death. In 1958, 1959 and 1960, the Americans, the Russians, the British, the Jiang Jieshi regime in Taiwan, the Japanese, and South Koreans were all hostile to China, had spies in China, and listening devices around China to monitor what was going on. But they did not have any evidence to show there was a famine in China at that time.

    The post-Mao struggle between the representatives of opposing lines in the Communist Party ended in an anti-Mao faction coming to power. This anti-Mao faction began a political campaign to tarnish the Mao era in order to legitimize their political return and to introduce a different political platform, opposed to that of Chairman Mao’s. They started changing population statistics, and began to focus on the shortcomings of the Great Leap Forward. For many years, they only allowed one sided anti-Mao materials to be published. They used questionable methods to project the population changes in China during the Great Leap Forward, and eventually claimed dozens of millions of Chinese people perished during that period. A Chinese mathematics professor, Sun Jingxian, and an Indian economist, Utsa Patnaik, have refuted these claims and denounced them as an ideologically motivated attack on socialism.17 I will not repeat their argument here. Rather, I shall present some of my own field research, which will provide a case study of experiences of people in the Great Leap Forward and corroborate some of these findings.
    I grew up during the Great Leap Forward, and I have done rural research in China during the 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s. In 1958, the year when the commune was formed, we had the greatest summer and fall harvests in recorded history. People ate so well. That was true not only in my hometown in Shandong Province, but also in Henan and Anhui Provinces, where I studied. Peasants in Henan and Anhui told me that they were able to eat very well, better than ever before, in 1958. This indicates that the forming of the people’s communes and the Great Leap Forward only improved people’s livelihoods in 1958.

    In 1959, my hometown suffered a summer flood without precedent in the last hundred years. I still remember that my mother and my aunt took me to the fields in those days. After several days of rain, the ditches beside the roads were filled with water. All of our fields were water-logged. My mother pulled out some of the sweet potato plants which were planted about a month earlier, and saw no growth. I heard my mother tell my aunts that we were going to have a hard time that year. In the spring of 1960, my hometown had a very bad drought. On top of that, we had another very bad summer flood. The crops failed again. Quite a few people in my village migrated to the Northeast with their families, and quite a few young people left the village to look for opportunities elsewhere.

    Thus our region was hit very badly by natural disasters for two consecutive years. The Shandong Provincial Government, as well as the Central Government sent teams of investigators to our county to find out what was happening with the local leadership. The County Party Secretary Xu Hua and the Head of County Government Office Wang Changsheng were both dismissed by the upper government because of the grain shortage in the county.18 But during the two years of natural disasters, we got relief grains from the Central government, the provincial government, Qingdao City, Shanghai City and many other regions. I still remember the two dried wild vegetables shipped to us from Yunan Province: one with golden hair which we called ginmaogou (golden-haired dog), because it was shaped like a tiny dog, and another which was brown and shaped like a pig liver, called yezhugan (wild pig liver) by the local people. For many years, my parents kept a piece of each of these wild vegetables as souvenirs of the two hardship years, and also to remember the help we got from other people in China.

    People in Baoding Prefecture, Hebei Province, published a collection of memoirs titled During the Difficult Days, whichdescribes how, amid the severe grain shortages, people worked together helping each other, and how the local government leaders shared the hardship of the common people.19 When I read the book, I was reminded that the reason very few people starved amid the natural disasters of the Great Leap Forward was because of the spirit of socialism. Whenever and wherever one place had difficulties, people from other places helped. I remember many peasants told me that if it were not for the help of the People’s Government, many people would have starved amid disasters like the one in 1960.

    By contrast, in Northern Henan Province (where the grain shortage during the Great Leap Forward was supposed to have been severe), five million people had starved to death in 1942. The Government at that time had done nothing to help the local people.20 In the 1990s, I accompanied Ralph Thaxton, my advisor in graduate school, to study (on a Guggenheim scholarship) the region’s famine. When he said that he had come to study the famine, peasants thought that he was studying the famine of 1942-3. During that 1942-43 famine, not only did five million people starve, but many people had to sell their land, their houses, and their children, before fleeing their hometowns. The local government and national government did nothing to help the people there. But nothing like that took place during the grain shortage of the Great Leap Forward.21
    Amid the grain shortages, my maternal grandfather died of a disease. My paternal grandfather also died that year at the same age. They were both in their sixties. (Chinese people’s life expectancy was less than 60 years then.) They had been sick for a long time. The grain shortage might have weakened them, and they may have eventually succumbed to disease. But I think there is a significant difference between that and saying that they starved to death. Only people with ulterior motives would blame principally the Great Leap Forward, or the public dining halls, or the people’s communes, for the grain shortage we faced during these three years amid severe natural disasters. The grain shortage was caused first and foremost by natural disasters.

    My village during the Great Leap Forward
    In my production team of about 30 households, only one young child, Wang Daying’s younger brother, died amid the grain shortage. In our team, there were five Wang families. The three Wang brothers had in all 20 children, 10 boys and 10 girls; all survived. The other two Wang families were also related. There were no deaths in these two Wang families except for Wang Daying’s younger brother. There were three Guan families. Guan Dunshi’s family consisted of five children, his mother, and his wife. Guan Dunshi was the only full-time bread-winner of the family. All eight people survived well. Guan Zhaojie, the head of another Guan family, had seven children: three sons and four girls. Guan Zhaojie was the only full time bread–winner. All his children survived well.

    There were six Liu families. Liu Kongxun had one grown son. Liu Zengxun, the third younger brother of Liu Kongxun, had five children. Liu Mengxun was the second of the Liu brothers and was the chief of the production team. One of the village leaders accused him of mismanaging the production teams’ grain supplies. He got scared and hanged himself in the production team’s forest one night. His widow, who shared a big house with her younger brother-in-law, convinced her brother-in-law to migrate to the Northeast with her. My mother and people in the team used to say that Liu Zengxun was stupid to migrate with his elder sister-in-law. She wanted to find a new husband in Northeast because her husband died and because she had no children. She needed to sell her half of the house. If her younger brother-in-law was not willing to sell his half of the house, she would not be able to sell her half of the house. Because she convinced her younger brother-in-law to migrate, she was able to sell her half of the house together with that of her younger brother-in-law. Liu Zengxun figured out late that he was being stupid, and moved back to the village in 1966, but the village had to help him to build a new home on a collective village building lot.

    There were three other Liu families in my production team. Liu Chengrui, his younger brother, and his elder sister lived with their mother. His father had been drafted by the Nationalist army in 1949, just before the Communists came, and he later went to Taiwan. Liu Chengrui’s mother had bound feet, and could not work in the fields. But the three brothers, one sister, and the mother all survived well. Liu Jiamin, of another Liu family, was also young at the beginning of the Great Leap Forward. His mother too had bound feet. Liu Jiamin and his three younger sisters and his mother all survived well during the Great Leap Forward. The last Liu family was that of Liu Junxun. He was only seven years old at the time of Great Leap Forward. His father was mentally sick, and one day cut his genitals himself and died of bleeding. His mother took him and his two younger sisters to the Northeast. Later he came back to the village, while his mother and two younger sisters remained in the Northeast.22
    There were two Zhang families. My mother was one of the Zhangs. There were three children and my grandfather in my family. Only my grandfather died. All three children born before the Great Leap Forward, and both the children born after the Leap, have survived. The other Zhang family had five children. The father died of a disease before the Great Leap Forward and the mother decided to migrate to the Northeast with three younger children during the Great Leap Forward, leaving the two older sons home. All five of the children survived, and of the three children who migrated to the Northeast, two came back to the village afterwards; only the youngest decided to remain away.23

    There was also a Zhou family, a Song family and Lu Family in my production team. They all survived the Great Leap Forward unharmed. Of the more than 130 people from about thirty families in my production team, none could be said to have died of starvation, even though we all felt the pain of hunger. I remember that every morning before my mother went to work in the collective, I would hold on to her clothes, refusing to let her go. I said to her that I would starve to death if she did not give me some more food. My mother would knead a piece of dough, roast it on a small fire, and give it to me. With that, I would let her go to work. I do not know anybody in my village who really starved to death. Of those who left the village during the Great Leap Forward, most managed to come back, and all those who did not come back were accounted for.24

    Like my mother, my father never went to school when he was young. He started working as an apprentice when he was 13 years old. When the Communist Party came to power, the Government set up night schools for workers who wanted to learn how to read and write. He learned how to read and write at the night school. Later, the factory sent him to get training from Shandong Industrial College in Jinan. Because of the training he got, he and a few others were put in charge of building a steel factory in my county (Jimo County) during the Great Leap Forward. The factory was set up in 1958, and in a very short time span, the factory recruited 2000 workers from the rural areas in the county, mostly young men in their late teens and early twenties. For three months, my father interviewed and recruited these workers. Two years later, faced with economic difficulties caused by the natural disasters and the souring of relations with the Soviet Union, the Government decided to close down the steel factory. The 2,000 young workers my father recruited and trained were all asked to go back to their original villages.25

    Mr. Sun Jingxian (who, as mentioned earlier, wrote a refutation of the inflated estimates of deaths during 1959-61) argues in his article that the alleged population loss (on paper) during the Great Leap Forward was partly caused by the fact that a large number of people moved in this period. First they moved as a result of industrialization at the beginning of the Great Leap Forward; and later they moved because the closing down of these factories led to workers being sent back. What happened in my father’s factory could support Mr. Sun’s argument. An important point I want to make here is that these rural youth received important training during the two years working in my father’s factory. Later, when the economic situation improved in the country, these people became important resources and assets for the development of their villages, particularly during the Cultural Revolution years. They helped set up village industrial projects. Some of my father’s former apprentices came back to my father for technical advice on a regular basis till his death in 1984.26

    In 1993, I gave a lecture at Hunter College in New York. My topic was “the Accomplishments of the Great Leap Forward.” When I entered the room that morning, the big lecture hall was packed. Before my speech, an old man sitting in the front challenged me. He almost yelled at me: “Young man, face it, 40 million people starved to death, and you have the guts to come here to tell us the accomplishments of the Great Leap Forward!” I was really angered by the arrogance of Americans. They thought that they knew more than I did about China and about the Great Leap Forward simply because they were Americans. They disregarded the fact that I was Chinese and I lived through the Great Leap Forward. But I kept my calm, and said to him: “Let us examine it together. Tell me how you know that 40 million people starved to death in China.” He said: “We sent the best American demographers to Qinghai and Gansu Province in China in the mid-1980s to talk with the local officials, and they were told by the local officials that twenty per cent of the local population starved.”

    “That is how you find out how many people starved during the Great Leap Forward? Twenty years after the event? Did they make sure that the officials they were talking to had even been born by the time of the Great Leap Forward?” Let me tell you how I found out if people starved to death during the Great Leap Forward. I went to the places where the famine was supposed to have been very bad. I talked with all the old people in the village and asked them how many people starved to death in their village. In one village, where there were 2,000 people during the Great Leap Forward, some people said that about 100 people died and some people said that 50 people died. I then asked these same people to tell me the names of these people who died and how old these people were when they died. It turned out that in this village of 2,000 people, these old people could only name 15 people collectively, and those who died were all over 60 years old (when life expectancy then was less than 60 years), except one man who was in his forties. But this man was a mentally handicapped orphan, who lived alone, could not care for himself and had nobody else to help him. And sadly, he died prematurely.27 In the last 30-odd years, one heard many stories about starvation and famine during the Great Leap Forward. But most of the stories could not stand close scrutiny and examination.
    After hearing how I studied the Great Leap Forward famine, the angry old man who confronted me told me that he was Hugh Deane, the president of the US-China Friendship Association. He asked me to send my writing to him, and promised me that he would read it. I did send him my writings, but I never got a reply from him.

    Frank Dikötter, the author of Mao’s Great Famine: The History of China’s Most Devastating Catastrophe, won the 2011 Samuel Johnson Prize for Non-Fiction, Britain’s most prestigious book award for non-fiction.28 It is also rumoured that he received a $2 million scholarship for writing his book. But one of my friends in Malaysia alerted me that the front cover of his book used a picture from Life magazine of 1946. This friend wrote to Dikötter about this. Dikötter answered saying that he used the picture of the famine of 1946 in China because he could not find any pictures of the Great Leap Forward famine. Such is the academic honesty of anti-Mao scholars in the West. Because they could not find any authentic pictures, they resort to fake pictures. And yet they are able to get away with such dishonesty.
    Frank Dikötter also claimed that he had documents to prove that Chairman Mao was willing to starve half of the Chinese people to death so that the other half could have more than enough to eat. My friend challenged him to produce the document. Dikötter said that he had an agreement with the source of the document not to show the document to anybody. But under pressure, he agreed to let my friend in Hong Kong to see the document. It turned out that the document was a speech by Chairman Mao at a meeting discussing the investment planned in industrial projects. China had planned to launch over one thousand industrial projects in 1960. Chairman Mao said in the speech that he would rather cut the number of investment projects by half so the Government would have enough money to quickly complete the remaining half of the projects. But Dikötter interpreted Chairman Mao’s words to mean that he was willing to starve half the Chinese population in order that the other half have more than enough to eat. Dikötter claimed that he was a China specialist. I wonder if he was able to read and understand Chinese text, or he was in fact a linguistic genius who could read into the Chinese language something that was not there in the first place.

    I had a debate with one of my professors when he said in class that 40 million Chinese peasants starved to death in the Great Leap Forward. I asked him why the Chinese peasants, allegedly facing certain starvation, did not rebel during the Great Leap Forward. Chinese peasants had rebelled so many times in history when there was a famine. He said that Chinese people were too starved to rebel then. I said that apparently the Chinese peasants were not too starved to build thousands of reservoirs during the Great Leap Forward. He then said that the Chinese peasants did not have weapons during the Great Leap Forward with which to rebel. I said that throughout Chinese history, the Chinese ruling classes never allowed Chinese peasants to have weapons. But that did not prevent Chinese peasants from rebellion with sticks and shovels, again and again. In our Chinese language, we have a proverb, “jie gan erqi” (pick up a bamboo stick and rebel), to describe one of the earliest rebellions in the Qin Dynasty. I also told my professor that the Mao era was an exception in Chinese history: under Chairman Mao, the Chinese State did allow the Chinese people, both peasants and workers, to have weapons. During the Great Leap Forward, the Chinese government called upon the Chinese people to organize several hundred divisions of militia. Peasants worked in the fields with rifles stacked beside them.

    This summer I interviewed the former village party secretary of Yakoucun Village in Guangzhou. He told me that during the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution years, his village’s militia had more than 200 rifles, machines guns, and even anti-air artilleries. The village militia was trained regularly. The weapons were taken away from the village when Deng Xiaoping started the rural reforms in 1982. It would be much easier for peasants to rebel, if they wanted to, with such easy access to weapons. But there was not even a protest, let alone a rebellion, during the Great Leap Forward.

    http://www.rupe-india.org/59/han.html

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  216. @Truth
    Maybe, somehow my comments were misunderstood, which is strange because your English seems perfect. I don't know any Mandarin or Cantonese, so I will retry:

    You are free to associate with anyone you want. If you buy a piece of property, YOU get to say who comes upon it and who does not. You get to say whom your friends are, whom you marry, etc. Therefore, there is "freedom of association."

    Now in the fantasy world in which you are living, who gets to be the arbiter? Who gets to say, "I don't like Chinks, so pick up Chink Chieh, and send him back with the other Chinks"?

    Is this what you are arguing for?

    Except you don’t have that freedom of association. You can’t say that you don’t want to hire Asians, and you can’t disallow Asians from entering your restaurant. Nor can you refuse to rent to Asians.

    As for my “fantasy” world: The owners of the properties – homeowner associates or other community entities which will be able to declare as such. As noted, its been done in other places, and it rarely goes out of hand.

    I find myself weary of repetition, but communities do need to be able to set boundaries to defend themselves. Again, if Amish were forced for “equality reasons” to permit moderns to live in their land, or send their children to modern education, they would not be Amish.

    I disagree with your notion of an undifferentiated America.

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    So in other words, let me get this straight, if three of your neighbors want to conspire, and kick that Chieh guy out of his house, you're ok with this being legal?

    If not, I guess you have some questions to answer, for instance; how many of your neighbors will it take to make it legal? How do they vote? Is there a grandfather clause extended to any Asians already living there; what if there is a historic precedence to Asians living in the neighborhood? What groups are extended this right? Can blacks kick the Jews out of Brooklyn? Can Mexicans kick whitey out of Malibu? it was Mexico at one time wasn't it? What about half-Asians like Twinkie's kids, do they have to leave or can they stay? If the neighbors make exceptions for Twinkie's half-Asian kids, does the nullify the entire agreement? What percentage doe the vote of the neighbors have to pass by? Is a simple majority sufficient, or will it have to be %100 percent? What if there is a liberal enclave around the University in your neighborhood who doesn't want to kick the Asians out?

    I came up with those questions in, I would estimate, roughly 3 minutes. Give me a few days, I could write a book that would keep your proposal in courthouse limbo for 50 years.
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  217. Drive is more important than intelligence. If the Chinese were so intelligent Why Europe has left them far behind in human development.

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    Drive? Have you been acquainted with the new Chinese deity and religion? He is called Money, and worship of Him continues with a fidelity that would make monks ashamed.

    Whatever the Chinese lack now, its certainly not drive.
    , @Biff

    Drive is more important than intelligence. If the Chinese were so intelligent Why Europe has left them far behind in human development.
     
    At what point in time? Over the past five thousand years on average the Chinese have probably lived a more comfortable life style as heathens as opposed to the lifestyle of barbarians*.


    *Europeans viewed the Chinese as heathens
    Chinese viewed the Europeans as barbarians
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  218. @Talha
    Hey DC,

    As I said - I have no problems with this - I was just trying to work out the details. Again, segregation was over half a century ago so I don't know if parallels can be made exactly. I'm a fan of having a healthy distance between people that have different ways of setting up of running their communities; I think this helps. These used to be called things like enclaves or quarters (like the Armenian Quarter in Amman)

    One thing that I've always found interesting is that Whites are allowed to congregate in collectives (and even encouraged) depending on the context. Perhaps when it is not considered threatening. For example, at my daughter's high school there is a French club which is open to all speakers and she is a part of it along with others non-Europeans who have an interest in the language. However, there are also very obviously European ethno-linguistic clubs alongside the Filipino, Korean, etc. These clubs like the Serbian, Polish, Hellenic (Greek), etc. are specifically made (according to their own descriptions) for these ethnicities in order to keep their heritage and culture alive. To my knowledge, neither the Latinos nor Blacks are protesting them or asking to be allowed membership. I asked my daughter about it and she totally hasn't detected anything negative on the part of the other students in regards to those clubs - nobody thinks they are weird or offensive. But I'm sure a 'White' club would get negative attention. Is it because; a) the particular history with race in the US and/or b) these ethnicities are relatively newer (well the Poles have been around for a while) and the earlier ones are now White 'mutts' and thus don't have a good cognizance of their roots and lineage or 'tribe' and thus need to attach to something and 'White' is about as good as they can do?

    What's also interesting is that, while barely anyone would wear a shirt saying 'White Pride' - people do wear ones saying 'Irish and Proud', 'Proud Swede', etc. - you can find these shirts easily on the web and usually abound in specific cultural events like Midsummer, etc.:
    https://theprouditalian.com/

    I know around certain times of the year, near where I live, the Polish colors come out loud and proud all over the place - I don't know what the significance is, but it is quite noticeable.

    Peace.

    I would say that for some reason, every race besides Whites is allowed to organize for their self-interest – a fairly strange thing. You wouldn’t be able to get a political action committee of Irish either, but you can have one of the Indians.

    The implied reason, of course, is that it is a resistance against discriminatory impact. I won’t deny that, but it does not at all seem fair or meaningful that some people are allowed to organize but not others.

    In the end, I don’t think we disagree so much. I basically believe that people should be allowed to isolate if they so desire. In practice, the evidence is that such restrictions would be rather limited and economics will largely trump restrictions. EvolutionaryX documents how during the segregation period, a researcher sent his Chinese lab assistant to get service at 500 restaurants, half of which were white-only. He was denied to only one.

    Freedom of association largely seems to just restore basically that – the freedom to associate, to allow or deny service. With the exception of some things such as hospital services, I think that’s more than fine.

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    Hey DC,

    but it does not at all seem fair or meaningful that some people are allowed to organize but not others
     
    Agree here. I honestly don't care if they decide to organize or isolate based on what pizza toppings they like.

    You can’t say that you don’t want to hire Asians, and you can’t disallow Asians from entering your restaurant. Nor can you refuse to rent to Asians.
     
    Agree here. I may not agree with the choice, but property rights are property rights. People should have the right to be jerks if they want to. Of course, they can deal with the social ramifications also. O, Thanksgiving aloooone (sung Sinatra style). I mean, you can't ask for the right to not associate and then cry foul when others take that as a reason to not associate with you, right?

    In the end, I don’t think we disagree so much. I basically believe that people should be allowed to isolate if they so desire. In practice, the evidence is that such restrictions would be rather limited and economics will largely trump restrictions.
     
    Agreed - most people care what color your money is. Plus they've got that Christianity thing to deal with something about universal brotherhood or other; plenty of Whites take their cue from that (Niebuhr anyone?).

    Thanks for that experiment reference - very interesting.

    Peace.
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  219. @Ilyana_Rozumova
    Drive is more important than intelligence. If the Chinese were so intelligent Why Europe has left them far behind in human development.

    Drive? Have you been acquainted with the new Chinese deity and religion? He is called Money, and worship of Him continues with a fidelity that would make monks ashamed.

    Whatever the Chinese lack now, its certainly not drive.

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    That's my take too.

    What I see with my own eyes, Asians seem to turn into materialists pretty quickly when set into the American environment. (And yes, I do have a prim spinster's disdain for people who seem to be addicted to buying gadgets, shopping for zip codes, driving overpriced German cars, etc)

    Another thing that gets me about Asians is they obviously don't have a short term viewpoint on things. Seldom become drunkards or meth heads (hey what was up with all those opium smokers? Not working in the US the same way).

    But they seem to be easily enticed into gambling and games of chance. Me? I love, love beer. But I don't like to gamble unless the odds are very clearly in my favor. So I don't gamble.

    I know that beer puts inches on your waistline, but I like it more than my skinny jeans.

    So why do they seem to go in for an activity that to me seems pretty stupid, and they obviously have to know the facts on going in?
    , @Talha
    Hey DC,

    This is sad - truly sad. I knew of a few Muslim Chinese families in SoCal, but they all fled along with the old-guard Republic Order to Taiwan after the Communists won. I've read that this idolatry has even spread among them:
    "Many of the Muslims who came to Taiwan with General Bai have descendants who still consider themselves Muslim, although according to Secretary Ma this population seems to be growing less devout over time, mirroring the early Chinese Muslims who first came to Taiwan in the 17th century. As time passes, historical roots are beginning to be forgotten and Chinese-Muslims are assimilated to an ever greater degree into mainstream Taiwanese society. Still, mosques in Taiwan do report local conversions, so perhaps the fate of the Taiwanese Muslim community isn’t so grim."
    http://www.taipeitrends.com.tw/history-of-islam-in-taiwan/

    A friend and I were discussing the subject of Europe and its contributions to the world. I think there is no doubt that - materially - Europe (and her tributaries) has held dominance for the past 400+ years or so. He mentioned, those that try to deny this are usually themselves not confident in their own purpose or identity; when you are, then praising others for their merits doesn't shake you up or make you insecure. I think no one can objectively claim otherwise in the realms of science, medicine, logistics, military, etc.

    But at the cost of what?

    We both noticed that certainly, from the East and third world many make migration to the West or come to study here to partake of what it has to give materially - and this makes total sense. But I can't think of a single person from any of the Eastern traditions that has come this direction seeking spiritual enlightenment or guidance, can you? I've heard of and read of people in the West going to the East to learn from Sufis or Tibetan Buddhists or Hindu yogis - hell, I even heard a very interesting lecture from a man who went to South America to study and learn under their shamans (lots of hallucinogenics and vivid and profound dreams) - but the flow of traffic at this point in time seems to be completely unidirectional. Maybe I'm missing something.

    I think the peoples of the East and South can continue to learn a lot from the West, both in the realm of material progress and at what point it can become an unhealthy obsession.

    Peace.
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  220. Vallibus says:

    Here are two reasons why young men of East Asian descent, like Jewish young men before them, perform so well academically – at least in the United States:

    1) They are not pressured by their fathers, their brothers or their peers – much less by their original cultures – to excel at sports with anything like the demented overemphasis that white gentiles (not to mention blacks) put on that pursuit. If you’re a typical white guy, you have to waste huge amounts of energy trying to become a jock, or risk being ostracized, bullied, screamed at as a faggot, shunned by your father and given the cold shoulder by girls. Even you have the talent to become a jock, you will still have wasted a lot of energy. If you haven’t, the demoralization the failed effort has cost you will mutilate your ego, incur depression and otherwise suppress your ability to academically excel. Based on what I remember from my youth – which, admittedly, was a few decades ago – both the Asians and Jews I knew came from supportive families and close knit cultures that valued academic achievement above all else and shielded them from that quintessentially bone-headed requirement to be an “athlete” placed on most American males.

    2) In addition to shielding their sons from the corrosive effects of the jockocracy, Asian and Jewish have been, traditionally, far more cohesive and insular than white gentile culture in the United States, which has always been an intensely individualistic and social Darwinist free-for-all rat race. This means that it is far easier to find partners of the opposite sex from within those cultures, so that young men from these communities do not have to fritter away even more energy jockeying to become that ludicrous thing, the “alpha male”.

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    Well, that and their higher IQ. ;)
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  221. @S Johnson
    As it pertains to Alt Right types (I am not sure if Reed is including the more general group of White Natioanlists) it's clear that Reed made use of the straw man arguments, when utilizing his characteristic colorful language. One instance was when he characterized Alt Right types as thinking non-Whites as "dark scum"

    From Grammar Girl (link removed to avoid comment being marked as spam):

    "Debaters invoke a straw man when they put forth an argument—usually something extreme or easy to argue against—that they know their opponent doesn't support. You put forth a straw man because you know it will be easy for you to knock down or discredit. It's a way of misrepresenting your opponent's position"

    What’s particularly bewildering is that Mr. Reed focuses not even on the Alt-Right, where his target may be more meaningfully specific, but on HBD itself. The observation of differences lacks any political agenda at all, and I’ve even seen a left-leaning arguments using HBD – the most specific being a speaker who said that just because whites have won the genetic lottery, it should not mean that they should enjoy an advantage in life, and therefore should share their gains with blacks. I find the notion quite revulsive, but it changes little that it is an HBD argument.

    It is quite senseless to necessarily equate HBD with any form of nationalism at all.

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  222. Sunbeam says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    Drive? Have you been acquainted with the new Chinese deity and religion? He is called Money, and worship of Him continues with a fidelity that would make monks ashamed.

    Whatever the Chinese lack now, its certainly not drive.

    That’s my take too.

    What I see with my own eyes, Asians seem to turn into materialists pretty quickly when set into the American environment. (And yes, I do have a prim spinster’s disdain for people who seem to be addicted to buying gadgets, shopping for zip codes, driving overpriced German cars, etc)

    Another thing that gets me about Asians is they obviously don’t have a short term viewpoint on things. Seldom become drunkards or meth heads (hey what was up with all those opium smokers? Not working in the US the same way).

    But they seem to be easily enticed into gambling and games of chance. Me? I love, love beer. But I don’t like to gamble unless the odds are very clearly in my favor. So I don’t gamble.

    I know that beer puts inches on your waistline, but I like it more than my skinny jeans.

    So why do they seem to go in for an activity that to me seems pretty stupid, and they obviously have to know the facts on going in?

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  223. Talha says:
    @Daniel Chieh
    I would say that for some reason, every race besides Whites is allowed to organize for their self-interest - a fairly strange thing. You wouldn't be able to get a political action committee of Irish either, but you can have one of the Indians.

    The implied reason, of course, is that it is a resistance against discriminatory impact. I won't deny that, but it does not at all seem fair or meaningful that some people are allowed to organize but not others.

    In the end, I don't think we disagree so much. I basically believe that people should be allowed to isolate if they so desire. In practice, the evidence is that such restrictions would be rather limited and economics will largely trump restrictions. EvolutionaryX documents how during the segregation period, a researcher sent his Chinese lab assistant to get service at 500 restaurants, half of which were white-only. He was denied to only one.

    Freedom of association largely seems to just restore basically that - the freedom to associate, to allow or deny service. With the exception of some things such as hospital services, I think that's more than fine.

    Hey DC,

    but it does not at all seem fair or meaningful that some people are allowed to organize but not others

    Agree here. I honestly don’t care if they decide to organize or isolate based on what pizza toppings they like.

    You can’t say that you don’t want to hire Asians, and you can’t disallow Asians from entering your restaurant. Nor can you refuse to rent to Asians.

    Agree here. I may not agree with the choice, but property rights are property rights. People should have the right to be jerks if they want to. Of course, they can deal with the social ramifications also. O, Thanksgiving aloooone (sung Sinatra style). I mean, you can’t ask for the right to not associate and then cry foul when others take that as a reason to not associate with you, right?

    In the end, I don’t think we disagree so much. I basically believe that people should be allowed to isolate if they so desire. In practice, the evidence is that such restrictions would be rather limited and economics will largely trump restrictions.

    Agreed – most people care what color your money is. Plus they’ve got that Christianity thing to deal with something about universal brotherhood or other; plenty of Whites take their cue from that (Niebuhr anyone?).

    Thanks for that experiment reference – very interesting.

    Peace.

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  224. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    The Alt-Right believes that the whites are innately–i.e., genetically–superior to all other races

    Fred gets stupider with every column. Or is he on a mission to make Ron Unz look a total twat, publishing absolute bollocks without rebuttal. Here, incidentally, is my rebuttal of Fred’s rubbish on evolution. I suggests Unz might publish it, but my offer was received without response.

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    One of the things I remember most vividly from reading as a teen, is a scientist who pegged the chances of humans having emerged from evolution, as roughly the same of a hurricane ravaging a jet-parts factory and assembling a 747.
    , @Daniel Chieh
    Incidentally, I've read more of Trinity College Cambridge and the tutoring system of many of its attendants. Thank you for the introduction; it has been quite edifying.
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  225. Truth says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Who’s stopping you, Whites?

    Um, the Department of Justice, the media, academia, Soros, SPLC, etc.

    Whites sticking up for themselves is a major threat to various powerful groups, and they will use all of their power to crush it. There's a reason Steve Sailer doesn't write for the NYT. There's a reason the Derb got fired from NR. There's a reason you never hear the end of the practically non-existent and comical KKK. There's a reason you never stop hearing about Russia.

    Can you even imagine the firepower that would be aimed at a group of Joe Blow white guys in Indiana if they formed a self-defense group against underclass blacks in their neighborhood. There lives would be destroyed in a week and would never recover.

    Nope. Best to operate under the radar at the moment. Join civic and business groups and carefully seek out those that agree with you. Then, move to forming European-American associations similar to current Jewish, black, Hispanic and women's groups. Once you have that foothold, the path is pretty clear.

    Who’s stopping you, Whites?

    Um, the Department of Justice, the media, academia, Soros, SPLC, etc.

    Oh, so yeah, whites…

    Can you even imagine the firepower that would be aimed at a group of Joe Blow white guys in Indiana if they formed a self-defense group against underclass blacks in their neighborhood. There lives would be destroyed in a week and would never recover.

    There is no law against self-defense, that’s why we have dojos. It’s when it becomes SELF-OFFENSE, that it becomes a problem….with the whites that stop you whites from doing everything else.

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    Oh, so yeah, whites…
     
    LOL! That one was good bro!

    Peace.
    , @Citizen of a Silly Country
    Of course, it's whites and Jews.

    What we have going on is what the Derb has dubbed the Cold Civil War. Blacks and browns are mostly just tools used by one side.

    Btw, don't you think sending underclass blacks into white suburbs and towns via Section 8 housing vouchers is an offensive move?

    Actually, blacks do serve one purpose for my side in that war. They prove that your side doesn't believe your own propaganda. I've been friends with many, many liberals over the years. I've never known one to live in a neighborhood that's more than 10% black once they have kids.

    At least I live by my beliefs. On the whole, the We-Are-The-World crowd whites don't.
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