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The obvious and intelligent course regarding immigration from the south is to stop further influx and assimilate those who are not going away and, being citizens, cannot be deported. Mr. Trump’s placing of troops along the border, if carried out, can quickly and practically accomplish the first of these, as his silly wall would not. This accomplished, the chief obstacle to assimilation, crucial to the well-being of the United States, will be something called the Alt-Right.

When I write about Latin America, response falls largely into two classes. First, those who are civil, interested, thoughtfully express various points of view or ask questions, all in a manner suggesting sanity. The second are those who say I am a race traitor and hate America, sometimes adding sexual insults directed at my wife, who is Mexican. These latter often identify themselves as being of the Alt-Right. The two groups are clearly different sorts of people.

If the Alt-Right wanted only to stop immigration, deport criminals, end affirmative action and so on, it would do no harm. Unfortunately it inveighs against all people of Latin-American descent, whose presence it regards as portending every kind of disaster known to man and perhaps some not yet discovered. Sites like Vdare.com and Breitbart News endlessly paint Latins as stupid, filthy, socially irresponsible, and unable to learn English. This does not bode will for the future of a country in which Latin and Anglo will have to live together.

In fact, the Alt-Right’s desired social catastrophes seem not to be materializing, which must be a cause for sorrow. For example California, with a very large Latin population, does not produce the required Anglo-Latin race riots, burning cities, or elections made interesting by racial vituperation. Brown and white appear to get along in disturbing peace. I guess you can’t have everything.

The problem with this apparently exhilarating hostility is there are in the US an absolute minimum of forty-five million legal Latins, mostly citizens, who show no signs of leaving and cannot be deported. Some policy more practical than fuming, hissing, and name-calling might be in order.

A characteristic of the Alt-Righters is a robust disregard for truth. Of course, this is equally true of their enemies on the Left, ideologues being identical psychological vessels into which may be poured any desired content. An ideology is just a systematic way of misunderstanding the world. Since the ideology is more important than correspondence with reality, truth is an ideal to be genuflected to while picking its pocket.

For example, I have read in Alt-Right sites like Vdare and Breitbart News for years that Mexicans in particular are filthy, throw trash everywhere, and leave their children in dirty diapers. They do not. Neither do Argentines, Peruvians, or Chileans, or any Latin-Americans I have seen. These stories are usually anonymous or vague enough to make verification difficult, at times clearly fraudulent, and those posting them seldom seem to have bothered with fact-checking. After all, it’s the spirit of the thing that counts.

Another common story is of Latin kids in American schools turning over desks, threatening teachers, and the like. These may be true–I have no way of checking individual schools, often not named–but they bear no resemblance to school children here in Mexico. Among other things I have followed my step-daughter Natalia from age eleven through various public schools urban and otherwise through high school and then through the Universidad Marista in Guadalajara. Nothing fits the Alt-Right’s description. I do know a Mexican woman who runs food-services at a school in LA. The kids, she says, are “no saints”–how many teenagers are?–but do not come close the the Alt-Right’s hopes.

The writers of this sort of thing could easily determine the truth of many their assertions by spending a few minutes with Google Images. Just put in Guadalajara or Chapala (where I live) or an agricultural town like Jocotepec or a mountain pueblo like Mazamitla and scroll in search of street scenes. (Here, Chapala plus neighboring Ajijic.) Look for the thick layer of garbage, dirty diapers, and used condoms. Similarly with the implications of stupidity. The CIA Factbook put literacy at ninety-five percent. A brief Google check for bookstores (“librerias”) would provide a list of thirty in Guadalajara, mostly very good. This does not absolutely prove anything, but might make one think.

In fairness to Breitbart, it may be that New York does not yet have internet service. Otherwise, one might ask why people vilifying Mexico and Mexicans have not done the easy research that would be done by an eighth-grader for a term paper. The two obvious explanations are lying, and gross intellectual incompetence. Since the owners of these sites are highly intelligent, out of respect I assume that they are lying.

It is interesting to see what the Alt-Right really is when its members are not disguising their sentiments. A while back I wrote a column suggesting that we should perhaps have a reasoned policy toward our permanent Latins, to include assimilation. Such columns invariably arouse fury. This one ran in the Unz Review, which allows commenting, and has drawn 447 comments to date when 80 is a more usual number. They represent the attitudes of the Alt-Rightists when they are protected by pseudonyms.

Note that the first comment seriously advocates killing the Latins. Not all the commenters are of this stripe, or belong to the Alt-Right, but…read a few and draw your own conclusions.

(The commenters express their own views only. The Unz Review, one of my favorite sites, is not of the Alt-Right. The owner, Ron Unz, lives in a heavily Mexican neighborhood of Silicon Valley and has repeatedly said that he finds them good people.)

ORDER IT NOW

Much of the vituperation of the Alt-Right against legal Latins seems the sullen hostility of gas-station louts who in some cases may have discovered clean shirts. There is an air of unreality in it, a truculence devoid of any practical program. They are positively unworldly regarding the illegals. Whatever the desirability of expelling these, practicality is lacking and the idea borders on lunacy from the far side. Do the enraged have any idea of the magnitude of the ejection of even twelve million people, or even eight hundred thousand Dreamers? Executing them would seem a difficult Congressional sell. America is not going to build a Pedroschwitz despite the panting political onanism of its advocates. Meanwhile, Congress appears wildly uninterested even in The Wall, which looks like theater to keep the Base voting as desired.

The chief reason why the Alt-Right’s dreams of extermination or mass deportation are pointless is that not enough people are in favor of either. Whether a thing is a good idea doesn’t matter if it isn’t going to happen. Perhaps it would be a good idea to build a chain of catfish houses on Mars. Perhaps it would not be a good idea. Since it isn’t going to happen, the wisdom doesn’t matter.

Breitbart seems at times to rely on the innumeracy of its readers, whom it presumably knows well. Breitbart News writes that “over 800,000” Dreamers have committed 2,139 crimes running from alien smuggling (probably their parents) and DUI to serious offenses. These criminals equal .267% of 800,000 or about a quarter of one percent of “more than 800,000” claimed by Breitbart. That is, one crime per about four hundred Dreamers. This is a crime wave?

Rather it suggests that Latins treated as legal and having jobs commit very little crime, hardly surprising to anyone with opposable thumbs. The Dreamers also speak English and pay taxes. They are not illegal, though ever-honest Breitbart describes them so, since the DACA program gave them legal status. Many entered the US as very small children, apparently establishing the curious doctrine that a two-year-old can commit a federal crime. So why is the Alt-Right so focused on them instead of illegals? Because it knows where to find them.

A measure of Breitbart’s contempt for its readers is that when one of twelve million illegals commits murder, the mother of the victim becomes an “Angel Mom.” Goebbels would gag.

Perhaps the nuttiest notion of the Alt-Right about Mexico is that it is somehow Indian. Indians in the Alt-Right mind, or approximation of one, apparently are squatty little brown creatures with sloping foreheads and loincloths, doubtless engaging in human sacrifice. Mexico is in fact chiefly European. It has a European language, a European religion, a European legal system (based on the Napoleonic code), and a government, well, OK, more American than European but certainly not Indian (elected president and legislature, courts, and intractable bureaucracy). Its music while distinctive is not at all Indian and is closest to Mediterranean. Its cathedrals would be instantly recognized by any Catholic. There is a small amount of religious syncretism: The Virgin of Guadeloupe is not mentioned in the Bible.

Again, the majority of Latins are not going to go away. Might it make sense to look at them as they are, at their many defects and many virtues, at what they are and are not, at their present and their potential, instead of growling in limbic hostility over what cannot be changed? guess not.

(Republished from Fred on Everything by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Fred, when the urge to recycle columns such as this one seizes you, take two aspirin, or drink a Tecate beer (or two) or do whatever, until the urge passes. I read VDare regularly and your characterization of its content is highly inacccurate. You’re good on other subjects, so don’t embarass yourself by ones like these.

    • Agree: syonredux
  2. Again, the majority of Latins are not going to go away.

    Do you mean the majority of Latins residing in the USA?

    Maybe, maybe not.

    Ref. criminality of illegal aliens, keep in mind:

    1. Entering the US illegally is a crime.
    2. Living in the US as an illegal alien is a crime.
    3. Being employed in the US as an illegal alien is a crime.
    4. Employing illegal aliens is a crime.
    5. Property purchased by an illegal alien is the property of the state, as criminal product.

    Enforce the respective laws, and enforce the law regarding fruit of the poisoned tree, i.e. “birthright citizen” via illegally-obtained residence, and a lot of Latins are “going to go away”.

    Now, will that happen? Maybe, maybe not.

    • Replies: @RicoT
  3. syonredux says:

    In Search of Intelligent Latin Policy

    Get with the times, Fred. Latinx carries the SJW imprimatur….

    Mexico is in fact chiefly European.

    Not in terms of race, Fred…….

    (The commenters express their own views only. The Unz Review, one of my favorite sites, is not of the Alt-Right. The owner, Ron Unz, lives in a heavily Mexican neighborhood of Silicon Valley and has repeatedly said that he finds them good people.)

    The rich man’s POV, Fred. Ron is quite frank on this point: he likes having servile Mestizos around. They’re less unruly than Blacks.

    The second are those who say I am a race traitor

    “Cuck” is the term used these days, Fred.

    and hate America,

    I think that it’s clear that you, like JEB Bush, hate Anglo-America……

    The CIA Factbook put literacy at ninety-five percent.

    Using what standards?

    A brief Google check for bookstores (“librerias”) would provide a list of thirty in Guadalajara, mostly very good. This does not absolutely prove anything, but might make one think.

    Dunno, Fred:

    Even if baseline literacy, the ability to read a street sign or news bulletin, is rising, the practice of reading an actual book is not. Once a reasonably well-educated country, Mexico took the penultimate spot, out of 108 countries, in a Unesco assessment of reading habits a few years ago.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/opinion/the-country-that-stopped-reading.html

  4. @Diversity Heretic

    Fred, when the urge to recycle columns such as this one seizes you, take two aspirin, or drink a Tecate beer (or two) or do whatever, until the urge passes. I read VDare regularly and your characterization of its content is highly inacccurate. You’re good on other subjects, so don’t embarass yourself by ones like these.

    This is the sort of shit that makes me just wanna reach out and push the “Flush” button on the toilet you’re sitting on. You useless, whiny piece of shit. STFU already.

    Writers write. Writers write for years and years. Writers write some good things, writers write some less than good things. Writers’ opinions change. Writers’ styles shift. Writers go on with life, and writers accept different attitudes and presumptions.

    All of that “writer” stuff is good things. That’s why we read what writers write.

    Now, what I want you to do is reach your hands up to your shoulders, clench your fingers around your buttocks, and push your ass off your head.

  5. Race traitor? I wouldn’t call Fred Reed that. It would imply that I once would have liked him or wanted him living on my street. I wouldn’t have, any more than I’d want Hillary Clinton living on my street.

    And once again Reed tries to turn this into a race thing. Well he’s a leftist, so why wouldn’t he? This is a national sovereignty issue. Borders and language. Mexicans and Central Americans want to change both of those things. I guess it’s rude to fight back, and Pena Nieto sock puppet Reed is here to say it is.

    It’s amazing how so many at Unz get suckered into Reed’s schtick because he criticizes black crime and is apparently pro-2A. The guy is a muppet.

    • Replies: @Isabella
  6. @syonredux

    “Cuck” is the term used these days, Fred.

    Pish. “Cuck” is what smarmy little pissants call people they regard as insufficiently militant in defense of some asinine, stupid, moronic, brainless, trendy cause celebre du jour. Basically, the white supremacist version of MSM coverage.

    • Replies: @syonredux
  7. syonredux says:
    @Steve Gittelson

    Cuck” is the term used these days, Fred.

    Pish. “Cuck” is what smarmy little pissants call people they regard as insufficiently militant in defense of some asinine, stupid, moronic, brainless, trendy cause celebre du jour. Basically, the white supremacist version of MSM coverage.

    Nah. It’s the term of choice for guys who put the welfare of another people over their own. In Fred’s case, he’s a cuck on the Latinx question. He clearly has no objections to Anglo-America being overrun with Latinx.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  8. @Steve Gittelson

    Steve, when the urge to write comments such as this one seizes you, take two aspirin, or drink a Tecate beer (or two) or do whatever, until the urge passes. Your own comment to Fred’s column was quite rational, so don’t embarass yourself with comments like this.

    Writers write and commenters comment!

  9. A brief Google check for bookstores (“librerias”) would provide a list of thirty in Guadalajara, mostly very good. This does not absolutely prove anything, but might make one think.

    Well, it’s good that Reed says it doesn’t prove anything – it doesn’t. It’s something that Mexicans say themselves and which is backed up by surveys, book publication stats, etc.

    Note that the first comment seriously advocates killing the Latins.

    Incorrect. It lists it as a theoretical option. In reality, Thorfinnsson advocates a mix of deportation, enslavement, and sterilization.

    Do the enraged have any idea of the magnitude of the ejection of even twelve million people, or even eight hundred thousand Dreamers?

    Just in the past week Israel has said it reached an agreement to deport 16,000 African immigrants to Cucktrudeau’s Canada. That translates to around the size of the Dreamer contingent in the US when adjusted into per capita terms.

    So in other words, it’s perfectly doable, given the political will.

    I don’t even care about Hispanics/illegal immigrants in the US, it’s just not a topic that personally concerns me post-2016 anyway. Ron Unz is probably right that Latino crime rates are exaggerated, and I’m aware that they’re okay people to live next to (unlike Negroes), and that most Hispanic countries are also perfectly fine to live in, especially on Western salaries/pensions.

    Still, I think the main problem many commenters have with Fred Reed is that his essays on this topic consistent almost exclusively of his own strawmen about the Alt Right (this post, for instance, is not an exception). In other words, engaging in the same sort of simplistic, numbers-devoid rhetoric that the populist Right engages in. This sticks in people’s craws.

  10. StephenH says:

    Reading these comments, I pity the US. The hostility and vulgarity, the sheer coarseness of the readers, is pathetic.

    And let’s face it. The educational system in the US is also pathetic. The average American emerges from high school as an ignoramus, brainwashed with the current a la mode ideologies along with a stupid and truculent “patriotism.” The intellectual–and moral–level of average commentary on blogs is not edifying.

    I’ve lived in a number of Latin American countries, and I retired in Mexico; and frankly, the remarks in Toscano’s article at the New York Times are accurate. Of course there are always exceptional students, parents, and teachers. But in Mexico, an education worthy of the name is not available at the public schools, but only at the best private schools, as is the case in the US.

    • Agree: Biff, Carroll Price
    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  11. Fred, I don’t care who you sleep with, as long as they are adults. You want to live among Mexicans, so you moved to Mexico. They seem to have accepted you. Good for you and them.

    But I do not want to live among Mexicans, Argentinians, Peruvians, or Hondurans. Hell, I don’t want to live around Germans, Italians or the Irish. Removing them from my nation and making sure they don’t immigrate here is my right.

    • Replies: @LOL!
    , @animalogic
  12. @StephenH

    Thank you for your valuable contributions, Mr. first-time poster.

    • Replies: @StephenH
  13. LOL! says:
    @Chris Mallory

    “But I do not want to live among Mexicans, Argentinians, Peruvians, or Hondurans. Hell, I don’t want to live around Germans, Italians or the Irish”

    That is a long, long list of folks you don’t want to live around! Any plans to buy your own island? How about a moated castle somewhere in Europe? Oops, but you don’t want to be anywhere near them.

    If you dig into your ancestry, especially for traces of German, Irish, or Italian contamination, you will may have to figure out how not to live around yourself.

  14. It is interesting to see what the Alt-Right really is when its members are not disguising their sentiments. A while back I wrote a column suggesting that we should perhaps have a reasoned policy toward our permanent Latins, to include assimilation. Such columns invariably arouse fury. This one ran in the Unz Review, which allows commenting, and has drawn 447 comments to date when 80 is a more usual number. They represent the attitudes of the Alt-Rightists when they are protected by pseudonyms.

    The comments on any political site that allows free speech cannot be taken as representative of anything.

    Some people write outrageous things that they know perfectly well are morally repugnant or simply impractical, sometimes with the sole purpose of causing offense. There are sometimes agents provocateurs whose purpose is to misdirect debate and make the comments appear even worse.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  15. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    If Mesos and Latinos don’t want to live with their own kind, why would Americans want to live with them? If Mesos and Latinos can’t stand their own kind and want to get away from their own nations, why should Americans stand them and welcome them?

    Imagine a people covered in mud who want to get away from others covered in mud. They want to move to clean people. But they too are covered in mud, and why would clean people want them? After all, those covered in mud can’t stand others covered in mud and want to get away from them.

    The better solution is Get a Bar of Soap and Some Clean Water and Learn to Scrub Yourself Clean.

    Latins and Mesos wallow in mud in their own nations and try to rub off the mud in the US.

    No mas, No mas.

    • Replies: @Giuseppe
  16. Isabella says:
    @Bragadocious

    “This is a sovereignty issue”.

    I expect that’s what the original inhabitants of some Southern States of America were thinking back when it was Mexico. You know, before it was invaded by — why yes, I do believe it was white Americans!!

  17. @James N. Kennett

    Some people write outrageous things that they know perfectly well are morally repugnant or simply impractical, sometimes with the sole purpose of causing offense. There are sometimes agents provocateurs whose purpose is to misdirect debate and make the comments appear even worse.

    I doubt that was the case for even 5% of the comments under that column that Mr. Reed links to. I’ve read all of them, excepting comments by those who are indeed trolls or just repetitive unlearning jackasses (yeah, I and they know whom they are). You are wrong in bring up this to explain the cause of Mr. Reed’s vexation with his commenters, or even that he is vexed at all.

    See, lots of comments mean lots of page views, no matter what the arguments, and my big suspicion is that Reed’s columns on this subject, like this one, will keep coming since they bring in the hits. That’s the goal of the website, right, to bring in lots of readers to these controversial points of view. Look at the previous column by this author, granted recycled though it was, and look at how many comments it has – not even 10% of the number under the post that vex Mr. Reed so. Yes, it may be because younger readers don’t know what a carburetor even is (fair enough too), but I’ve seen low numbers on his other writing in general than the ones promoting Reed’s newfound Mexicanity.

    Lots of commenters just don’t like to read bullshit, that’s all. I’m one of those.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  18. In doing my best to keep the CC (comment count) up here, I first want to bring up the statement about Mr. Reed’s wife. I hope he is not thinking of me as one of those who may have just invoked ad-hominem arguments, though I did mention here.

    Here’s the reason – I believe some influence in the slant of the many columns toward boosterism for all things Mexico belongs to the wife. I have mentioned that my blog may contain all sorts of opinions, but the wife is no factor in the viewpoint as she won’t even read it due to “how are you going to make money? What’s the point?!” as an attitude. It is not the same regarding Fred Reed, whose wife is well-educated and I would guess could be counted on to read all the columns. That can put a damper on lots of real truths about Mexico, would one not think? I did indeed use the term “pussy-whipped”, though that is just speculation, but it can happen to any man who is not extremely vigilant. I apologize here for using that term.

    Reeds’ family also has the effect of slanting his opinions on the general intelligence of Mexicans. One family is not a large enough data set, so, yeah, then there are the number of bookstores in Guadalajara. Are we sure it’s really a non-biased sample, with the place being an ex-patriate hang-out? You know how Americans read a lot more than Mexicans, right? OK, maybe not, but they like their fancy types of coffee that the new bookstores are big on.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  19. @syonredux

    Mr. Redux, you are right here, and you were right under the iSteve post in your arguments with Ron Unz the other day. I only learned from you recently that you were some sort of expert, maybe professor of literature. I don’t put stock in titles and we all (those “woke”, I guess) know the university degrees don’t mean what they used to. However, I have always liked your writing and am impressed by the knowledge of classic literature that most, including myself, don’t have. Unlike most, I still think it’s something more should undertake to, if not study, at least spend some time on.

    Anyway, you leave Ron Unz in the dust as far as breadth of knowledge and wisdom goes. We all appreciate his software “platform” and don’t want to insult the host. However, his comments are kind of hit-and-run. I’ve only once gotten a reply, and understandably, as Mr. Unz would never have time to continue the discussions with those who want to have them. However, I believe he should read more before inserting any comments onto the stack. (Not always, so maybe I should use the phrase “hit-or-miss” along with “hit-and-run”.)

    Perhaps it is good that VDare does not have comments, as I’ve spent time only reading there, vs. thinking of arguments to snipe back with. Having read those writers for ~ 15 years now, I can tell you that their collective knowledge, including that specifically regarding immigrant Mexican ways, beats the hell out of anyone’s like Mr. Reed’s or Mr. Unz’s.

    BTW, I have been amiss in keeping up on iSteve and even my own blog this week, so that’s why I did not comment in support of you during that discussion a few days back. I did read it, but hadn’t the time to comment. You were in the right.

    • Replies: @Giuseppe
    , @Twodees Partain
  20. Mr. Reed never fails to disappoint me in his refusal to learn from any of the commenters or even from VDare who he has read lots from, and even freaking WORKED FOR, for a while.

    Listen Fred, read and understand the term “self-deportation”. Were this nation ever to become a lawful society again, at least with respect to immigration, self-deportation would be the bulk of the flow outwards toward people’s homelands, resulting even in family-reunification. Also, I don’t want to get into the fact that all criminal and other deportations of the “people of the illegal-entry” DON’T! ALL! HAVE! TO! OCCUR! ON! ONE! DAY! Let’s not talk charter buses again – I’ve done the back-o-the-envelope calculations on that and processing, and it’s only a can’t-do item if you have a “won’t-do” government. Let’s also not discuss your attempts at being a civil engineer again – the cost of a decent border barrier is not a half day’s spending in a year of the US Feral Gov’t.

    The next failure to ever learn anything is Mr. Reed’s (and Mr. Unz’s too, BTW) refusal to understand that the illegal immigrants live under a different and more easy-going “justice” system. Unfortunately, we Americans can be more easily picked out in a line-up or matched to security-camera footage, don’t have a tribe who will hesitate to implicate our members, and cannot just high-tail it back south in order to come back as a different guy with a different stolen identity next year – yeah, no harm, no foul. To say that one knows the stats on illegal alien crime is just silly, as it’s all undocumented, remember? One can look at wanted posters in border states, especially California, where the black population is way down percentage-wise. Take a look, though, admittedly, those are for just the most egregious crimes.

    Just to add to that, without concentrating just on illegal Mexican, hispanics in general are not included fairly in the crime stats, as they are not broken out lots of the time from white people.

    I can’t say whether I am personally alt-right, but I join other Americans in resenting being FORCED to get along with people with different cultural values, who have been imported to keep wages down and white men’s resistance to global authority down. You are right that some of it is water under the bridge. Hispanics are not particulary hard to get along with, if that’s your big take-away point. They are still a different culture, no matter what your one data point, your 2nd family, is like.

  21. Brabantian says: • Website

    Fred Reed is emotional because he has found much happiness with a Mexican spouse with tradwife virtues, and a Mexican culture which also has much to offer

    However, the ‘living together nicely with Latinos’ theme, however well-founded, rather plays into the hands of the oligarch manipulators shipping in migrant waves with the explicit purpose of destroying traditional US society

    USA people certainly do understand, deep down, that many Latinos are nice neighbours and friends

    But USA people are emotional because they can feel that the continuous migrant invasions both at the border and via family clan chains, is part of the Cloward-Piven type strategy to overload and collapse the creaky USA social support systems, and impoverish the whole society … and they also feel the reality that uncontrolled migrant waves do include elements, gang members etc, who significantly increase USA street crime

    Mr Reed’s point that stereotyping is wrong and intrinsically erroneous, is indeed a point

    But people are trying to oppose these migrant waves, and given the media framing and oligarch obsession with this, and how difficult it is to fight this battle, people get crazy and ‘racist’ because they don’t know how else to fight this

    What maybe is most missing on Unz, is appreciation of the fact that the ‘enemy’ is not the migrants so much … the enemy is the oligarchs and the oligarch-backed mafias, who induce the migrant importation … and those oligarchs are just down the road in that high-security gated neighbourhood

  22. @Steve Gittelson

    Lol, you sound very angry. And such a silly post.

    Yes, writers write. And when the writer of this article writes, he consistently demonstrates what a lying sack of shit he is.

    Time and again commenters have demolished his risible arguments, all to no avail.

    One eventually tires of it.

    • Replies: @Steve Gittelson
  23. The writers of this sort of thing could easily determine the truth of many their assertions by spending a few minutes with Google Images.

    I quite possibly may have spent more time ‘touring’ Latin America via Google Street View and Youtube (search for “driving streets [city name]“) than anyone else on earth. Quite simply, a vast part of Latin America is a depressing dump. I don’t know what planet Fred Reed is on if he thinks “just google it” is some kind of advertisement for Latin America.

    Obviously there are some nice parts of town, but these in no way compare to the nicer parts of American cities. Even dumpy sections of American cities – for instance, south Los Angeles – look like a total paradise compared to what passes for a middle class neighborhood in Latin America. Perhaps appearances are deceiving, and it all somehow ‘feels’ different when you’re actually there, but so much of urban Latin America is such a terrible eyesore that I doubt anyone would ever fully adjust, to the point where he sees no important differences between Latin cities and American cities.

    Perhaps the nuttiest notion of the Alt-Right about Mexico is that it is somehow Indian. Mexico is in fact chiefly European. It has a European language, a European religion, a European legal system (based on the Napoleonic code)

    On this logic, South Africa, too, is “chiefly European,” lol. Obviously when people imagine Mexico as ‘Indian’ they are thinking in racial terms, not in terms of language, religion or legal system. In terms of race, alt righters are quite correct: Mexico indeed is chiefly Indian.

    • Replies: @SeanG
  24. Giuseppe says:
    @MEH 0910

    That, genius, appears to be a photo of a collection point for residential garbage. The pile will grow larger until it is picked up at the appointed time.

    But it’s OK with me. Your disinformation may work to keep some Americans away from Chapala. That keeps read estate low, and I’m thinking of buying there.

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  25. @Isabella

    Which merely proves the wisdom of not letting a hostile people from a different culture settle in the border regions, no?

    • Agree: syonredux
    • Replies: @Anonymous
  26. Giuseppe says:
    @Anon

    If Mesos and Latinos don’t want to live with their own kind, why would Americans want to live with them?

    One million US and Canadian expats in Mexico say you are full of mierda.

    • LOL: L.K
  27. Giuseppe says:

    Fred, before the deluge hits, this is an elegant column that cogently argues for looking at Mexicans simply as they are, and neither through the dark lens of so-called race realism nor the equally disgusting fetishizing of the Left. It is a call to reality that unfortunately is lost on this crowd with its devotion to its peculiar fantasies. Yet, there can be a certain morbid fascination about engaging with outrageous commenters. It can be fun, in a way.

    “Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.”–Terence

    “I am a human being, I consider nothing that is human alien to me.”

  28. I don’t have an animus against Mexicans.

    But, the Mexican state or the cartels or some combination of the two has slaughtered 100,000 civilian Mexicans in the past decade, with the murderers often engaging in bizarre torture, dismemberment or disappearance of its victims.

    Something seriously wrong there.

    What it is, I can’t quite say.

  29. @silviosilver

    One eventually tires of it.

    Yes, indeed. At which point one adds another ID to the Ignore List.

  30. Giuseppe says:
    @Brabantian

    But USA people are emotional because they can feel that the continuous migrant invasions both at the border and via family clan chains, is part of the Cloward-Piven type strategy to overload and collapse the creaky USA social support systems, and impoverish the whole society

    No, the strategy is to control society by Balkanizing it and breaking up the old order. Immigration serves the same purpose as pornography and gay pride. “Divide et impera.”

    What maybe is most missing on Unz, is appreciation of the fact that the ‘enemy’ is not the migrants so much … the enemy is the oligarchs and the oligarch-backed mafias, who induce the migrant importation … and those oligarchs are just down the road in that high-security gated neighbourhood

    Bingo. It’s the oligarchs that are the problem. People who want to blame Mexicans are like those against war who want to blame soldiers. Soldiers, Mexicans, we’re all just slaves at hard labor in the mines of the oligarchs.

  31. @Brabantian

    Regarding your last paragraph, you are quite right. I just don’t appreciate being lectured on details (“you could never build this wall”, “they are all very law-abiding”, “deportation of illegals won’t work”) by a guy who is now officially a Mexican.

    I don’t think even 2 % of the comments I’ve seen under Mr. Reed’s posts advocate deporting or even separating from, the hispanics that are citizens of the US. It’s a bullshit charge against the commenters that he makes quite often. If the point is “you should try to get along with your neighbors, even if they’re hispanic”, my reply would be simply “no shit, Fred”. Tell me something I don’t know, if you’re going to get paid for this.

    Maybe Mr. Reed could start writing on who the globalist elite oligarchs, or whatever you want to call them, are doing to try to obliterate any vestige of a white society, anywhere on the globe. How about first thing next week?

  32. @Isabella

    There were only ever a few thousand Mexicans scattered over the that vast territory. To call it “Mexico” is seriously misleading. Mexico’s claim on that territory carried scarcely more weight than, say, Argentina’s claims on Antarctica do today.

    • Replies: @ThreeCranes
  33. @Giuseppe

    Fred, before the deluge hits, this is an elegant column that cogently argues for looking at Mexicans simply as they are

    Lol, on the contrary, it is a desperate call for Americans to close their eyes to Latin realities and see Latinos not as they are (and will perhaps remain), but as they could be – the only alternative in Fred’s mind being ‘hate’.

    “I am a human being, I consider nothing that is human alien to me.”

    As is this.

    (Only more desperate and stupid.)

    • Replies: @Giuseppe
  34. I liked Reed’s swipe at the Angel Moms. Very classy. He tries to pass it off as if Breitbart is at fault, but the truth is the Angel moms have a Facebook page for themselves and make public appearances under the AM moniker which have nothing to do with Breitbart. Reed undoubtedly knows this too. So really, he’s going after the moms themselves.

    I guess this is the part where Reed is lifting the level of the dialogue, by going after victims of murder and manslaughter and not wallowing in the gutter like the alt-right.

  35. Just put in Guadalajara or Chapala (where I live) or an agricultural town like Jocotepec or a mountain pueblo like Mazamitla and scroll in search of street scenes. (Here, Chapala plus neighboring Ajijic.)

    So I took a look around Chapala. Frankly, the only pleasant part is the lakefront area and the town square – unsurprisingly, this what the tourist pics you see on google images show. Go on Google Maps Street View and you’ll quickly see that the rest of the place is your typical dumpy Latin American town (not the worst, though).

    Mexican per capita GDP today is about where America was in the early 1950s. I wonder if American towns looked this dumpy back then. It’s certain that the nicer parts of American cities in the 1950s looked much better than the nicer parts of Mexican cities look today.

  36. Giuseppe says:
    @silviosilver

    So now even Terence is stupid, and I was thinking that you folks were all about preserving the Western Canon. No matter, you’re just a passing shadow of a hint of the briefest mention inside of a very small historical footnote, a tiny, even microscopic recrudescence of nordic fetishism that influences nobody and will soon fade away like a minuscule spot of Aspergillus mold in yesterday’s Petri dish. I strongly disagree with Fred on the misplaced importance he ascribes to your woe-begone, uninspiring movement. He gives you waaaaay too much credit. You’re already flaming out. The only reason the oligarchs let you hang around is to fire up their Bolsheviks as a diversion from real problems and to help keep the population on edge and properly well balkanized. So even you serve their purpose.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
    , @silviosilver
  37. In my 50s, I have recently married a lovely Brazilian woman, and been introduced to the Brazilian community in Atlanta. The Brazilian expats I have met are uniformly nice, hardworking, religious, happy, and accepting. Compared to the ignorant rednecks who inhabit my area, and apparently this comment section, they seem like a higher, more evolved form of life. We should welcome them as a moderating influence on our disturbed, hateful society.

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  38. A better Google images search would be “Mexico’s Housing Debacle.” You get the full panoply of pics from the LA Times’ series on Mexico’s awesome efforts to fleece their rural poor of whatever meager savings they have by building them shitboxes.

    Stellar workmanship. Who needs building codes anyway?

    Raw sewage and basketball retrieval. A new Mexican game for the masses!

  39. Giuseppe says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Mr. Redux…I only learned from you recently that you were some sort of expert, maybe professor of literature… I have always liked your writing and am impressed by the knowledge of classic literature…

    Goodness gracious me, Mr. Achmed, that is so cool. Do you think Mr. Redux could teach me some of his smart university type of learning. too?

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  40. It was certainly nice of Federico Reedriguez to refer to my sensible comment rebutting his absurd Latinotriumphalist boilerplate.

    Again, the majority of Latins are not going to go away. Might it make sense to look at them as they are, at their many defects and many virtues, at what they are and are not, at their present and their potential, instead of growling in limbic hostility over what cannot be changed?

    This is intellectually dishonest. You simply love Mexicans and don’t want them to go away.

    Other people have different ideas.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  41. @Buffalo Bob

    Huh, another 1-post wonder. Makes you think something’s up here. IP trace to Lake Chapala might be in order.

    • Replies: @Tim Hellemann
  42. @Giuseppe

    Do you think Mr. Redux could teach me some of his smart university type of learning. too?

    Dude, I don’t know the guy personally. I don’t even think his name is Professor Redux in real life.

    Do I look like a government-backed-student loan officer to you? Alright then, quit asking the stupid questions, and stick to the subject, gold-box-boy!

    Learn more more about the University student loan bubble here, here, here, here and here.

    BTW, since you are trying to fulfill your college dreams, keep in mind that this gold box of yours won’t be enough to get you into that literature program at Princeton, as I’m pretty sure being a REAL DREAMER, as in illegally here from ole Mehico, beats all hell at out of your box. Sorry to burst your bubble, and I hope that doesn’t change your charitable views any.

    • Replies: @Giuseppe
    , @Truth
  43. Lugash says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Fred’s out of material. His subjects at this point are:

    1) Growing up in the South
    2) His time in the military
    3) World adventures as a journalist
    4) Police beat writer
    5) The dismal state of race relations
    6) His view of US-Mexico relations

    The first five are all rehashes. The last is new, but he’s writing from a personal connection to Mexico, not in the interest of most Americans and certainly not in the viewpoint of his audience. He’s had an incredibly interesting life, and was a great way to redpill people, but he’s not in touch with red America anymore.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  44. @Bragadocious

    Oh, how clever you are, you typical big mouth loutish know-it-all sarcastic blog commenter. A person writing for the first time on “your” turf has no business here, it seems. Never mind if his comment is interesting, intelligent, or even just truthful. Your kind produces reams of the fetid nonsense that clogs and ruins comboxes. No wonder writers like Paul Craig Roberts have eliminated comments on his site.

  45. @Lugash

    He’s had an incredibly interesting life, and was a great way to redpill people, but he’s not in touch with red America anymore.

    This one hits the nail on the head. I’ve read so many good columns on FredOnEverything over the years that sound like they should have been labeled “Peak Stupidity”. His take on feminism especially, made for some classic writing that should be read by every 15 year boy old in the world.

    I think, having been outside of the country for more than a decade and just making the visits that involve TSA goons/goofballs, the customs/immigration man, etc. at increasing levels of Police State stupidity have made Fred think that the whole country consists of people like that. There are plenty of real Americans left, though not nearly a majority (oh, BTW massive immigration doesn’t help).

    Mr. Reed has narrowed his focus and prejudices too much, IMO. He no longer has the big picture with respect to the United States.

  46. Giuseppe says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    I was being a jerk. Sorry. Sometimes I forget there is a real person behind the fake name.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  47. Ron Unz says:
    @Giuseppe

    I strongly disagree with Fred on the misplaced importance he ascribes to your woe-begone, uninspiring movement. He gives you waaaaay too much credit.

    I totally concur that Fred greatly exaggerated the likelihood that the “Alt-Right” movement might poison relations between Anglos and Hispanics in America, and told him that. I extensively discussed the politics in my past articles, and I think that over the last few years everything has confirmed my analysis:

    http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/#an-anti-immigration-backlash

    Let’s look at some simple facts. The large state with the heaviest concentration of Hispanics is gigantic California, and California whites were 25(!) points less likely to support Trump than whites in other states. If Trump had done as badly with whites nationwide, he would have lost all 50 states, mostly in huge landslides, and suffered the greatest blowout defeat in American political history.

    Whites in CA get along perfectly well with Hispanics, and Trump’s rants against Mexican immigrants just made him look like a nut. Exactly the same was true for most other states with large, established immigrant/Hispanic populations, such as Florida, New York, and Illinois. And although extremely Republican Texas did favor Trump against Hillary Clinton by 9 points, I don’t think the immigration issue was especially helpful there.

    The absolutely crucial point is that Trumpian anti-immigrant/anti-Hispanic rhetoric is *least* popular among whites living in states that have long had large Hispanic/immigrant populations, and most popular in states like West Virginia, where there are very few immigrants and ideas are primarily shaped by FoxNews nonsense.

    Here’s an analogy I gave Fred. Suppose whites with the greatest degree of anti-black hostility mostly lived in places like Vermont and North Dakota, where there were almost no blacks, while whites in Mississippi, Alabama, and Detroit got along perfectly well with blacks. In such a situation, how concerned would you be with future black-white relations?

  48. Fred, I can’t say it better than this American Lady:
    “Members of our governing class seem to have decided the country is doomed, so they may as well make their pile. Sure, they’ll have to face the wrath of voters and may be voted out of office, like Eric Cantor. But they’ll end up on corporate boards or win lucrative lobbying contracts. Plus, being “progressive” on immigration will look great on their kid’s Princeton application.”
    Read it all here:
    Ann Coulter:

    http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2018-04-04.html#read_more

  49. @Ron Unz

    I don’t spend much time in California, and by coincidence, neither did Donald Trump during the campaign. He wrote off the entire state. What Presidential candidate has ever done that? I certainly can’t recall another one. I wonder what the results would have been in Cali if Trump had gone there a few times and allowed people to actually see him, you know, without getting their heads bashed in on the way back to their cars.

    Oh, and about that head bashing stuff in San Jose. Those were Hispanics bashing in the heads of white voters. I’d like to hear what those whites would say about their Hispanic neighbors. Not much kumbaya, I’m guessing.

    The absolutely crucial point is that Trumpian anti-immigrant/anti-Hispanic rhetoric is *least* popular among whites living in states that have long had large Hispanic/immigrant populations

    How do you explain Arizona and New Mexico then? Trump cruised to easy wins with white voters.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  50. Ron Unz says:
    @Bragadocious

    Aren’t you the insane commenter who claims that nuclear weapons are just a hoax and don’t actually exist?

    Or am I confusing you with a different insane commenter?…

    • LOL: AndrewR
  51. Oldeguy says:

    Thanks, Fred, for another patient attempt to offer realism and sanity into the totally unnecessary and counter-productive swamp of panic and ill-will that alternate universe ( at least on this one issue ) that the Alt-Right seems to live in.
    If memory serves me correctly, a previous post elicited a plan to deter the hordes of invaders ( read aspiring meat-packing plant workers and hotel maids ) by landmines and machine guns at the border. Among the many things I should probably be grateful for was that landmines and machine guns hadn’t yet been developed when my Irish great-grandparents were doing the exact same thing that these poor Hispanic people have done in the last 40 years.
    I’ve lived in an old ethnic neighborhood where the kids of the Eastern European immigrants chose to move to the suburbs and their places were taken by the ” invading hordes” so I can speak from personal experience ( unlike the majority of the panicked haters ) . I only noticed two significant differences : 1) they tended to be more gracious in their personal manners ( I’m in a hurry, get the Hell out of my way seems to more of an Anglo thing ) and 2) they seem to love their children more and are not at all inhibited in showing it ( at least they have more of them ! ).

  52. @Ron Unz

    Of course, another explanation for these data is that Hispanic immigrants tend to congregate in those states where liberal goodWhites—the kind least likely to vote for Trump anyway—have passed laws and created a culture that makes it easy for them to do so. I think this makes a lot more sense than the idea that large Hispanic populations have, by virtue of their sheer pleasantness, inoculated Whites against the anti-immigrant “bigotry” of Donald Trump.

    • Replies: @Thomm
    , @Achmed E. Newman
  53. Thomm says:

    Fred Reed is on this site for a reason. He is part of Ron Unz’s 4D chess.

    It is a privilege to see a sophisticated Confuse and Conquer Jew singlehandedly tie up hundreds if not thousands of White Trashionalists at once.

    Step 1 : Make a website that WNs use (since they can never build anything on their own). Let any and all anti-Semitic slurs stand on the website to make WNs complacent and even keyboard-courageous.
    Step 2 : Recruit the 2-3 intelligent authors that WNs read (Sailer, Derbyshire, etc.) who happen to extremely bad at making money, so that they write for very little.
    Step 3 : After a few years, start pushing for normalization of Hispanics (even if illegal; especially if illegal).
    Step 4 : Deploy someone like Fred Reed to generate even more confusion.

    It works…and it is a lesson in asymmetrical attrition warfare by a sophisticated Confuse and Conquer Jew.

    Ron Unz has said about 95% of this site disputes the fact that the real division is black vs non-black. I am among the 5% that agree with him (although I am more conservative than him, since I think there should be only skilled, legal immigration, not unskilled and certainly never illegal).

    Now, here is the thing. Those who talk about Auschwitz, lampshades, and soap never get moderated here, but those who agree with Ron Unz do. He will even get angry with those who agree with him too vocally.

    Why? Because he thinks it will expose his game of 4D chess. But I guarantee that it cannot, since the typical White Trashionalist is far below the IQ threshold where they can observe the many pieces in motion. I can describe Ron’s plan in full detail (and I fully support it), without any risk of the WNs figuring anything out (much less leaving this site).

    I am hugely in favor of what Ron Unz is doing.

    • LOL: Truth
    • Replies: @Biff
  54. Thomm says:
    @Intelligent Dasein

    Of course, another explanation for these data is that Hispanic immigrants tend to congregate in those states where liberal goodWhites—the kind least likely to vote for Trump anyway—have passed laws and created a culture that makes it easy for them to do so.

    False. Texas has a huge number of Mexicans as well (40% of Texas’ population).

    Remember, not every Hispanic is an illegal who depends on a sanctuary city. I see no evidence that white Texans are anti-Hispanic (which is a different thing than being anti-illegal immigrant).

    • Replies: @Biff
  55. @Giuseppe

    Thanks for writing back with the apology, Giuseppe. One doesn’t get THAT very often on any comment thread. I can be lots worse than that, so don’t feel bad.

    Achmed E. Newman, Student Financial Aid Office

    ;-}

  56. @Ron Unz

    Is everyone in opposition to your hit-and-run stupidity insane, Ron? You, Fred, and Paul Craig Roberts have quite big opinions of yourselves. Don’t you have EXTREMELY important software to get back to?

    I’ll tell you all who you wouldn’t read this sort of thing from, had he time to log in here. That would be Dr. Ron Paul. It’s too bad we don’t hear personally from him just a few times once in a while. There’s a man to emulate, in both attitude and opinion.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  57. @Ron Unz

    Whites in CA get along perfectly well with Hispanics, and Trump’s rants against Mexican immigrants just made him look like a nut. Exactly the same was true for most other states with large, established immigrant/Hispanic populations, such as Florida, New York, and Illinois. And although extremely Republican Texas did favor Trump against Hillary Clinton by 9 points, I don’t think the immigration issue was especially helpful there.

    Of course whites are going to “get along” in California, where they are about outnumbered by this point. They are beyond having a say in trying to keep the white culture of their fathers. It’s too late now, so what choice do they have? As I wrote to Fred, not many Americans wish their hispanic citizen neighbors to be deported, yet many of them (or at least their children will) hate that they live in Mexico, without having gone through the process of moving there. Fred made the concious decision to actually move, and good on him. Most of us did not.

    As far as the national politics go, you are widely off the mark in your speculations. It was soley the immigration issue that got Mr. Trump the nomination. If he had talked about tax cuts or even ending the US world-wide warmongering (a worthy cause, don’t get me wrong) outside his hotel in NYC in summer of 2015, we’d be seeing pictures of the Hildabeast all over the TV. Texas has many conservatives, and that explains the 9% rout there. New York has NYC, and Illinois has Chicago. What would you think was going to happen? California may well be a different country at this point. You don’t get out much, it sure seems like. I knew California, and that makes this all even sadder for me.

    Lastly, both of you two have no faith in the real American people. If you know people better, you’d know that the reason this immigration-invasion issue took so long to become big (way too long, unfortunately) is that American people have big hearts and lots of tolerance. There’s a limit, though. We’re there.

  58. Ron Unz says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Is everyone in opposition to your hit-and-run stupidity insane, Ron? You, Fred, and Paul Craig Roberts have quite big opinions of yourselves. Don’t you have EXTREMELY important software to get back to?

    Look, over the last couple of decades I’ve probably published well over 100,000 words of lengthy, very detailed articles in exactly this subject-area, quite possibly more than just about anyone else in America. Many of our most eminent scholars have been extremely impressed with my analysis, I think nearly of it has proven itself correct over all these years, and I still stand by virtually everything I’ve written. I’ve frequently linked to those articles and they’re all conveniently available here on my website.

    Thus, all these arguments already exist in a polished form and they’re just as relevant today as they were in the past. And since I’m currently busy with my software work, why should I bother wasting my time arguing with a few random nuts who choose to hang around my website…

  59. @Intelligent Dasein

    AGREED

    … and way to put it more succinctly than this guy (two thumbs pointed at myself).

  60. @Ron Unz

    Here’s the deal: You definitely don’t have time to read through all the comments, as, to be fair about it, you’d probably have to read through maybe hundreds per minute with no rest for eating or drinking or other bodily functions (although there is multitasking!) This says nothing but good about the functionality or useability of your site, BTW.

    By “hit-and-run”, I mean you can’t have read the commenters’ opinions under certain posters as I have. Yes, I do have a job, but then I’ve avoided the total Commies and other writers I possibly unfortunately haven’t read yet spread throughout 75% of your home page. I have also read VDare.com, as recommended by my Dad, near their beginning. I mean that I have probably read 90% of everything written on there over the 15 years or so. Those guys, and a couple of ladies, don’t make many factual errors and are fastidious (esp. wrt links) to be 2nd to none. That is where my background on this issue comes from, with additions from Refugee Resettlement Watch, Numbersusa, and my own truthtelling eyes.

    You may be a numbers-guy, but stats in social sciences don’t have the reliablility as numbers in science/engineering, as the causes are often still speculation. An example would be the paragraph I blockquoted in my last comment. People can speculate with the best of numbers, and I know you’re trying to put logic to it. I just would bet good money you are wrong.

    I will re-emphasize that you and Mr. Reed have mis-read commenters and Americans in general in terms of animosity toward hispanics. It’s really just an animosity towards the population replacement/job-market undercutting/vote-diluting process that has been forced on them, and people are slowly waking up. It’s probably too late. For California, it’s way too late. I wouldn’t be surprised that, if we ever met in person outside of 5 years from now, one of us would need a visa.

  61. AKAHorace says:

    Hi Fred,

    Yes, if you have to have mass immigration you could do a lot worse than Latin Americans. They tend to be good mannered and friendly. The problem is numbers. Cesar Chavez by the end of his career was beating up illegal Mexican immigrants because of their effect on wages for Chicano field workers.

    You live in Mexico, you enjoy it. Good for you. How would you feel about 10 million North American emigrating to Mexico ? Do you think that Mexicans would accept this ?

  62. Biff says:
    @Thomm

    Step 2 : Recruit the 2-3 intelligent authors that WNs read (Sailer, Derbyshire, etc.) who happen to extremely bad at making money, so that they write for very little.

    Sorry to anyone, for finding this funny.:^)

  63. Biff says:
    @Thomm

    There are two distinctly different types of Texans: big city and/or rural.
    Twenty miles out of Fort Worth, and people are stunningly different.

  64. @Chris Mallory

    I think you are pretty spot on: sheer quantity – numbers – count. When will the US (& Australia) reach their maximum carrying capacity ? No one (ok, few) has the guts to actually say what they really want, which is: “never”. For various progressives etc it seems that immigration is effectively infinite. Unspoken, but it seems US citizens can just wear a population of 400 million…450…500…& why stop at 500 ?
    That such sheer numbers will turn (what’s left of ) US culture into a dog’s breakfast (Aust’ term for a bloody mess) is, again, never spoken of.

  65. grapesoda says:
    @Tim Hellemann

    Another one post smarmy dickhead coming in here and trying to talk shit. What other names have you posted under on this site? Did you know that is against the site rules?

    Never mind if his comment is interesting, intelligent, or even just truthful.

    How do you know that this commenter’s personal account is truthful? It actually sounds incredibly “just so” to a discerning person.

    Oh yeah that’s right, if it supports your beliefs then it must be true, even if there’s no way to verify it.

    • Replies: @StephenH
    , @StephenH
  66. @Ron Unz

    I think that was Brabantian.

  67. WJ says:

    This guy is the king of the straw men – “Vdare says that Mexico is filled with baby eating cannibals that litter streets and public parks with bones and tortillas”. “Alt righters claim ALL Mexicans are child molestering rapists “. Blah, blah. I remember when he had things to say and was actually readable.

  68. KenH says:

    White people who are in a relationship with a non-white tend to become champions of that race. Fred is a prime example. He’s become an honorary Mestizo and is incapable of seeing the matter objectively or from the point of view of any white person who opposes immigration. I’m sure Mexicans don’t want their nation flooded with millions of poor black and white Americans and I don’t want this nation flooded with poor brown people who Mexico doesn’t want or want to see return.

    Fred’s pretty good on some subjects especially the black plague in America. But he’s like a typical liberal on the Mestizo diaspora where he’s all emotion and hyperbole and what few facts might be included are carefully cherry picked. And just like leftists, anyone who opposes his position isn’t just wrong, but a moral reprobate as well.

    Kidnapping for ransom is a big problem in may-hee-co and keeps getting worse. Fred will probably try to deny this. I don’t want this problem in America:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/kidnappings-in-mexico-surge-to-the-highest-number-on-record/2014/08/15/3f8ee2d2-1e6e-11e4-82f9-2cd6fa8da5c4_story.html?utm_term=.48243d4fb6ec

    Cartel violence in Mexico has spiked the homicide rate to over 25K and Mexico is one of the most dangerous nations for journalists:

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/22/americas/mexico-murders-2017/index.html

    I also recall reading that there’s more beheadings in Mexico than in the Middle East.

    The above links don’t exactly a portrait of Europe and this is what’s coming to America. On the bright side of things Guadalajara has a whopping thirty book stores!

    Oh, and Mestizos vote for the communist anti-white Democrats by a 2 to 1 margin. They aren’t inherently bad or evil and they’re generally less troublesome and toxic than blacks. But nobody will confuse them for Swedes, Germans or Italians either.

  69. jedevnull says:

    Fred is a very readable writer on everything except Latin America. Anyone who reads VDare.com with any regularity knows Mr. Reed is spouting hyperbole. I can’t blame the man for defending his wife, but I can’t shake the feeling he’d be hearing hosannas for the Hmong had his matrimonial urges led him in that direction. He’s very bitter regarding White American women, at least so his past writings indicate.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  70. @Ron Unz

    Let’s look at some simple facts. The large state with the heaviest concentration of Hispanics is gigantic California, and California whites were 25(!) points less likely to support Trump than whites in other states. If Trump had done as badly with whites nationwide, he would have lost all 50 states, mostly in huge landslides, and suffered the greatest blowout defeat in American political history.

    Whites in CA get along perfectly well with Hispanics, and Trump’s rants against Mexican immigrants just made him look like a nut. Exactly the same was true for most other states with large, established immigrant/Hispanic populations, such as Florida, New York, and Illinois. And although extremely Republican Texas did favor Trump against Hillary Clinton by 9 points, I don’t think the immigration issue was especially helpful there.

    The absolutely crucial point is that Trumpian anti-immigrant/anti-Hispanic rhetoric is *least* popular among whites living in states that have long had large Hispanic/immigrant populations, and most popular in states like West Virginia, where there are very few immigrants and ideas are primarily shaped by FoxNews nonsense.

    The California Republican Party was able to dominate state level politics in the 1990s through robust immigration restrictionism. Even California Democrats at the time, like Dianne Feinstein, felt it necessary to signal against illegal immigration.

    The plan to save California was eviscerated by the black robed terrorists of the federal kritarchy, and California was overwhelmed by the colored tide. The state is now a one-party banana republic with a social structure increasingly resembling Latin America, except that those on the top of the pyramid actually do create value.

    Many of the remaining whites in California, perhaps as a coping mechanism, have adopted the progressive religion with a very strange worship of solar panels, LGBTQIX$ people, trains that will never be built, etc. These people are hopelessly lost.

    Voters in other states threatened to be overwhelmed by immigration are responding the same way California whites did in the 1990s. Arizona is a great example.

    Nationwide, many voters responded to Trump in the same way. The electoral math is turning against us. So why not turn it back in our favor by adjusting the nation’s demographics to our benefit?

    You and Fred Reed are correct that the alt right (and its predecessors) oversells its case against Mexicans. Whether or not these exaggerations are helpful in political terms I am not sure. I lean towards yes as scaring people is effective.

    Fred for his part is also intellectually dishonest for what almost certainly seems to be personal reasons. He repeatedly makes two claims which are untrue:

    1 – Mestizos have the same potential as whites (this is certainly possible, but the evidence doesn’t support his argument)
    2 – That it’s impossible to reverse hispanic immigration (absolute nonsense, though any honest person will admit that there are real costs and tradeoffs in doing so)

    Your own points are more cautiously argued and better supported with data, as is befitting your temperament. I largely accept your views on hispanic crime, though the actual situation in much of Latin America advises caution.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  71. sondjata says:

    ” Sites like Vdare.com and Breitbart News endlessly paint Latins as stupid, filthy, socially irresponsible, and unable to learn English. This does not bode will for the future of a country in which Latin and Anglo will have to live together.”

    From the rest of the article I can say without any doubt that though the author may have in fact *visited* these websites, he has not in fact read it’s commentary past perhaps the headlines.

    For example:

    “For example, I have read in Alt-Right sites like Vdare and Breitbart News for years that Mexicans in particular are filthy, throw trash everywhere, and leave their children in dirty diapers.”

    Most often when these comments are written at a vdare article, it is with a link to an article somewhere else that has described the situation as such. One thing that Vdare does is it almost always has a link to source material for claims made by the author’s article. One may not care for the position taken by whomever wrote the piece ( I have on more than a few occasions) but it is almost impossible for any honest person to say that Vdare does not meticulously source their material within whatever article it has posted, which is far better than what was written above.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  72. @Ron Unz

    The argument for engineering such a massive change in US demographics seems to be that Hispanics (i.e., everyone from Guillermo del Toro to the utterly anonymous stoop laborers cutting your grass) are less dysfunctional than blacks. Their medians are still lower than whites and Asians.

    Victor Davis Hanson doesn’t seem impressed with his Hispanic neighbors. I live in a city/state with a very large Hispanic population and I’m not impressed either. They are stolid, hard workers and the planter class is no doubt delighted with their amiable helots. (It’s nice to be at least half a foot taller than your workforce and not have them ask you in your own language if you caught the game last night–like they’re your equals or something). Doesn’t matter; I still oppose my country being deliberately engineered to Central American social and political norms.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  73. @sondjata

    Yes, Sondjata, VDare uses hyperlinks like it’s 1995, and more power to ‘em on that. They are very fair about it and will link to whatever sites are spouting the most egregious anti-white, pro-invasion BS, along with links to pages in support of their points.

    I can say without any doubt that though the author may have in fact *visited* these websites, …

    I’m sure I remember Mr. Reed having his column featured on VDare at some point, maybe 2-5 years back. I’m sure he could come on here and tell us if that’s indeed so.

  74. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

    I think we should consider having a “hispanic” policy that is similar to how we treated Italian Americans in say from the 1920s-1950s.

    On balance Italian Americans were treated fairly and had a decent reputation with the exception of certain organized crime mafia problems and some rather rough Italian neighborhoods where some White Anglo guy/girl might have a rough time.

    Rudy Guliani broke up the Italian Mafia and all other kinds of much worse racial ethnic groups went in for the worst crime in New York City in the late 1980s and early 90s.

    Here in Chicago virtually all the street crime is either Black or Hispanic. There are more Hispanic gang members but they aren’t not nearly as chaotic and destructive as the Black African American gangs, punks, thugs.

    It simply is impossible for a White student here in Chicago to safely attend public school with lower class Blacks.

  75. Jake says:

    More than a few of the assumed Alt Right commenters here and elsewhere who post the most outrageous things (such as, kill all Mexican illegals) are Leftists playing roles for groups such as the SPLC and ADL, and various Federal Government agencies.

    That said, it is true that the WASP basis of American culture means that wild-eyed assessments of most people who are not WASP are routine among those who are desperate to save their vision of WASP culture in its zenith (for some, that is 1940s and 1950s America; for others it is 1920s America; for some it is Reconstruction/Gilded Age America; for some it is the Empire under Victoria; for some it is the mid and late 18th century country squire world of the west and north of England).

    VDARE has a long history of articles slurring most non-WASP white groups (with special emphasis on the Irish). So this is not about race. It is about what these types see as the form of WASP culture they want to recapture and then save.

    Of course, that is as absurd as trying to make permanent the particular age of an oak that you think the most impressive. The oak has a lifespan that no person can freeze. Ditto WASP culture.

    As WASP culture was fashioned by, crystalized by, a Judaizing heresy, which rather quickly after a successful Taliban-like revolution that smashed culture to smithereens made official alliance with Jews, WASP culture never has been an exclusively white Gentile thing. And it always has hated and acted to exterminate at least the cultures of non-WASP whites.

    The above means two things: 1) Reed should not allow his case to be presented as one of a guy wanting to fill a nation with foreign browns versus people who wish to save white people. 2) Mexicans assimilating to WASP culture is bad for them and us, because WASP culture is now suicidal, seeking its Germanic gotterdammerung.

    • Replies: @Hibernian
  76. SeanG says:
    @silviosilver

    The great majority of Mexicans are mestizos–neither purely Indians nor purely Europeans. They are the product of the Spanish conquista.

    • Replies: @Mark Presco
  77. How about this. The Military Industrial complex needs to be busy somewhere. They wore out their welcome in Korea and Vietnam. They are unwelcome in the middle east. Nuclear Annihilation lurks ominously in the shadows.

    So, we bring the boys, girls and others home and invade Mexico.

    Continue pushing south until we reclaim our canal. Then build a wall. It can be much shorter and will not have to compete with Hadrians’ wall or the Great Wall of China for prestige points.

    Mexico can then be forcibly incorporated into the United States of North America. It is already subdivided into states and has at least a million citizens of the current USA in residence, including the author.

    At some vague later date those who are alive can then consider the dissolution of the US of NA into areas of similar socioeconomic interest.

    The old Confederacy can become New Africa.
    From San Francisco to Houston southward could be reconstituted into New Mexico.
    New England is already New England.
    The middle states and the far northwest, including Alaska, could be incorporated into New Canada.

    Problem solved. See how easy that was.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  78. StephenH says:
    @grapesoda

    @grapesoda

    You clearly are not mentally well, and you have a toilet mouth. It’s a pity Ron allows so many mentally unbalanced fools to comment.

    • Replies: @Steve Gittelson
  79. Jake says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Here’s an analogy I gave Fred. Suppose whites with the greatest degree of anti-black hostility mostly lived in places like Vermont and North Dakota, where there were almost no blacks, while whites in Mississippi, Alabama, and Detroit got along perfectly well with blacks. In such a situation, how concerned would you be with future black-white relations?”

    That is a most salient paragraph.

    The whites who best know blacks as a large group (rather than know 2 or 3 black individuals) tend to fear blacks as always bound to cause major trouble the second they feel they can get away with it. In contrast, the whites who best know Mexicans in large numbers tend to see them as people who by and large will settle into mundane life of going to work and church.

    Of course, the history of Mexican Leftism in the US is tied to activism that allies with blacks and is run by Jews and rich WASPs, and that makes certain that almost all decent Middle American types who know very few actual Mexicans assume that Mexicans must be just like blacks.

    • Replies: @Truth
  80. StephenH says:
    @grapesoda

    For God’s sake, Ron, why do you not have moderators to eliminate hate-filled angry fools like this person? Your comboxes are filled with ravings from people who are not entirely compos menti.

  81. @HallParvey

    Mr. Parvey, I think Libertarian candidate Ron White had this whole thing worked out years ago. I wish Mr. White had President Trump’s ear:

    SWIM THIS, BITCH!

    did you catch ” … your cocaine money they tricked you out of ” Hahahhaaa!

  82. @silviosilver

    silvio says “Mexico’s claim on that territory carried scarcely more weight than, say, Argentina’s claims on Antarctica do today.”

    This is so true. It is perplexing how liberals claim that nationalism is evil, that race is merely a social construct etc. how, in other words, acts undertaken by or on the behalf of ethnic nation-states are invalid, revocable, legally suspect by virtue of the simple fact of their having been undertaken by these supposedly fictitious entities for morally insupportable reasons, how, in spite of all this they never fail to invoke the validity of say, Mexico’s claim to half a continent just by virtue of some Conquistador stepping off a long boat 400 years ago, while planting a standard in the sand declared “I claim this land in the name of the Queen!”

    A curious double standard. It’s as though liberals see the world through a vision altering gismo planted on their face that divides the right eye field of vision from the left eye’s with a vertical partition. One eye can’t see what the other eye sees. They’re never aware that they contradict themselves.

    Or they had a chemical lobotomy like those subjects whose corpus callosum was anesthetized in those right brain/left brain experiments in the 70′s. In one variation of the experiment, subjects so treated could point to geometric forms but could not verbalize what they were pointing to. There’s just a disconnect.

  83. The name of that sensible policy was known as “Operation Juarez”
    of which Mexican President Lopez Portillo was a strong supporter of such wisdom: Develop Mexico, Latin America and the United States by building nuclear power plants through out the region, along with water infrastructure development of which NAWAPA is the hemispheric model. Oil revenues would be reinvested into paying for such advancement, predicated upon the American System of Political Economy, not that of the British ‘Empiric’ approach, for a dirigist application of Hamiltonian national credit utilized for development of the nation, and nations, in a ‘harmony of interests’ approach rather than Darwinian looting.

    This paper, written by architect of “Operation Jaurez” Lyndon LaRouche ends with a warning in response to this question; What if the Ibero-American Republics do not follow your advice? to which LaRouche says that they will cease to exist because he knows the type of evil that W. Averell Harriman and his cohorts are intending to unleash. That total breakdown of Ibero America we are witnessing, and it includes the breakdown of the United States as well by the same forces of Empire, the looting and economics of drugs, murder and theft of the financial oligarchy.

    http://archive.larouchepac.com/files/archive-larouche_operation-juarez-1982_0.pdf

  84. Che Guava says:

    I don’t know about Fred’s opinions, but if he were living near me, I think it would be fun to having a drink or six together, with some snacks.

    Although have been on this site long enough to understanding why some of other commentors are saying this article is a re-run.

    Reference to Breitbart, well, that is a very strange propaganda site. Many stories about the U.S.A. and other places originate from their ‘Jerusalem bureau’, probably just Klein and whatever backup he has from Israeli govt.

    Constant drumbeats for attacking Iran, today, uncritical propagation of the obvious false-flag chemical weapons attack in Syria as by Syrian military.

    As a spokesman from Syrian military was sayimg (accurate paraphrase) ‘Why would we do that? We have the fighting spirit and are winning.’

    Also, Syria D O E S N O T H A V E chemical weapons now, they were all destroyed five or so years ago. In a way, I am understanding why they had them, as deterrent against chemical, nuclear (roughly same number of bombs as China, and I am doubting that China has specifically enhanced-fallout weapons, while Israeli officials are boasting of them on occasion), and biological agent-rich Israel.

    So, cui bono?

    Breitbart is creepy and evil.

    Fred, I am occasionally to communicate with ‘alt-right’ (not only here), am not believing that any do not see through Breitbart’s evil propaganda.

    My classification for it is ‘extremist neo-con’.

    • Agree: Twodees Partain
    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  85. @Ron Unz

    I’ve probably published well over 100,000 words of lengthy, very detailed articles in exactly this subject-area, quite possibly more than just about anyone else in America.

    Listen, if you are going to write to someone on your site, perhaps you SHOULD take the time to read the replies. I replied to you some months ago that the total wold-count on VDare, about all aspects of immigration, was orders of magnitude more (now I remember that I tallied up Brenda Walker’s writing, with 4,000-odd posts at even just 200 words apiece, giving one order-of-magnitude above) than your 100,000. She is one of dozens, and not particularly verbose either.

    That brings up the fact that no matter how much writing you do, it’s the thinking that matters most. There are plenty of Americans who could never write a good article on their views about America’s immigration disaster (maybe an occasional cuss-world-laden comment, haha!) Yet, many have a much greater understanding of the damage that has been, and is being done, to the American culture.

    I brought up Brenda Walker, BTW, due to the fact that she also is a long-term Californian, and her area is the human-factors aspects of the importation of not just certain KINDS of people, but just LARGE NUMBERS of people to the former paradise they called the Golden State.

    “California, preachin’ on your burnin’ shore.
    California, I’ll be knockin’ on your golden door.
    Like an angel, standing on a shaft of light,
    rising up to Paradise.
    You know I’m gonna shine ….”

    • Replies: @Jake
  86. DFH says:

    Wtf, now I love my people going extinct

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  87. Ano says:

    The problem is latinos cant pick leaders. Mexico is about to elect mini chavezz even after they can see that the real chavezz Led to the Venezuelans eating their own pets.
    As individuals they’re fine, but as a political Community they’re terrible as the entire history of Latin America shows.

  88. KenH says:

    White people who are in a relationship with a non-white tend to become champions of that race. Fred is a prime example. He’s become an honorary Mestizo and is incapable of seeing the matter objectively or from the point of view of any white person who opposes immigration. I’m sure Mexicans don’t want their nation flooded with millions of poor black and white Americans and I don’t want this nation flooded with poor brown people who Mexico doesn’t want or want to see return.

    Fred’s pretty good on some subjects especially the black plague in America. But he’s like a typical liberal on the Mestizo diaspora where he’s all emotion and hyperbole and what few facts might be included are carefully cherry picked. And just like leftists, anyone who opposes his position isn’t just wrong, but a moral reprobate as well.

    • Replies: @prusmc
  89. Ron Unz says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    Your own points are more cautiously argued and better supported with data, as is befitting your temperament. I largely accept your views on hispanic crime, though the actual situation in much of Latin America advises caution.

    Since you seem more open-minded and less fanatic than some of the other commenters here, if you haven’t already done so, I suggest you read some of my major articles on exactly this subject. If you’ve spent years absorbing VDare-type nonsense, I suspect you’ll find my own analysis quite eye-opening.

    Furthermore, the second and third articles actually outline my own proposed *solution* to the endless immigration-problem. You might not entirely agree with it, but I’d argue that it’s the only one with a non-zero chance of actually being enacted into law and working:

    1999: http://www.unz.com/runz/california-and-the-end-of-white-america/

    2011: http://www.unz.com/runz/immigration-republicans-and-the-end-of-white-america-singlepage/

    2016: http://www.unz.com/runz/a-grand-bargain-on-immigration-reform-2/

    If you’ll notice, I’ve been basically saying the same thing for twenty years, and I think most of my predictions have been borne out reasonably well.

  90. @Ron Unz

    I’ve read all your work on this subject.

    California could have been saved, but it would’ve required national action–and a much more serious recognition of the problem within California itself. Pete Wilson really just stumbled into the issue. National Republicans at that time in fact scuppered Barbara Jordan’s efforts to address the issue.

    The trouble with your grand bargain on immigration reform is that it’s fundamentally too reasonable. That may sound strange to you. Your grand bargain could realistically have succeeded fifteen or twenty years ago.

    Today the country is deeply polarized into two very hostile camps, with plenty of unreasonable purity spiraling on both sides (of which I am routinely guilty of).

    I am sure you have heard about and perhaps read this article, which was favorably shared by the loathsome and incompetent Twitter CEO Vapin’ Jack Dorsey: https://medium.com/s/state-of-the-future/the-great-lesson-of-california-in-americas-new-civil-war-e52e2861f30

    Assuming the national Democratic Party is primarily interested in power (as opposed to aiding their constituents), this is a reasonable strategy for them to pursue.

    The Republican Party can counter by increasing its white share of the vote, but structural problems with the party prevent effective pursuit of the Sailer Strategy (financing of the party, social conservatism, etc.). Thus far breaking 60% of the white vote nationally appears to be impossible.

    I am not going to endorse the radical proposals in this comment thread, but preventing America as we know it from becoming California writ large is going to require something drastic.

    I have my own scheme in mind. I try to avoid becoming an op-ed writer as it detracts from my business career, but I’ll entertain submitting a piece.

    • Replies: @Ron Unz
  91. @StephenH

    You clearly are not mentally well, and you have a toilet mouth. It’s a pity Ron allows so many mentally unbalanced fools to comment.

    Yes, “grapesoda” is a dipshit, but your insistence that censorship be deployed as the default is the true evil.

    • Replies: @StephenH
  92. @Ron Unz

    Since you seem more open-minded and less fanatic than some of the other commenters here, if you haven’t already done so, I suggest you read some of my major articles on exactly this subject.

    Oh, I’ve read them. You are wrong for many reasons, the most standout of which is the simple fact that nations require rigorous enforcement of border security, no exceptions. No ifs, no ands, no buts.

  93. Sean says:

    Without Trump (Philip Dru style) materializing an army of supporters, immigration restriction would never be considered by racial pro-immigrationists (Jeb “More Fertile” Bush was thought not unlikely to be pres) . The solution will not be anyone’s, but rather emerge from mindless clashing of fanatically opposed viewpoints. Trump is still necessary, because hostilities don’t cease or solutions become evident until the combatants of both sides accept the beautiful objectives they set off in search of are no longer attainable. Trump will have to win a second term for that to come about.

  94. Ron Unz says:
    @Thorfinnsson

    The trouble with your grand bargain on immigration reform is that it’s fundamentally too reasonable. That may sound strange to you. Your grand bargain could realistically have succeeded fifteen or twenty years ago…I am sure you have heard about and perhaps read this article, which was favorably shared by the loathsome and incompetent Twitter CEO Vapin’ Jack Dorsey:

    Quite possibly so. But don’t forget that people like Jack Dorsey are *exactly* the ones my strategy is intended to outflank and defeat. After all, it’s the immigrant-groups themselves who are *incredibly* dissatisfied with the status quo, not the pro-immigration business-types or their thinktank friends or the Democratic leaders.

    In fact, I have some actual ideas about trying to implement my strategy, but I’m just too busy with my software work right now. No immigration legislation has passed Congress in over 25 years, so a few months one way or the other probably won’t make much difference.

    Furthermore, if we get into a nuclear war with Russia, all these other problems will anyway be solved…

    • Replies: @Jake
  95. Avis says:
    @Isabella

    Uh huh. How well did that work out for them? Why on God’s green Earth would we want the same results for our own people? Particularly since, unlike whites who build first world civilizations, Latins destroy them?

  96. joe webb says:

    first glance…”Latin”. A lie. Stop reading and go somewhere else.

    South American, etc. is not Latin, it is Injun, except for Chile and Argentina.

    Fred is a race traitor/propagandist.

    Joe Webb

  97. Truth says:

    When I write about Latin America, response falls largely into two classes. First, those who are civil, interested, thoughtfully express various points of view or ask questions, all in a manner suggesting sanity. The second are those who say I am a race traitor and hate America, sometimes adding sexual insults directed at my wife, who is Mexican.

    Or, in another manner of classification: “Those who agree with me, and those who don’t.”

    Hey, you’re among friends though Federico, there is another poster here who hates the “White Nationalist Wiggers.”

  98. @syonredux

    Nah. It’s the term of choice for guys who put the welfare of another people over their own.

    I’m curious. What term would you use to describe people like me (and probably Fred) who put the welfare of another people on the same level as their own?

  99. @Achmed E. Newman

    I have mentioned that my blog may contain all sorts of opinions, but the wife is no factor in the viewpoint as she won’t even read it due to “how are you going to make money? What’s the point?!”

    Probably without realizing it, you neatly summed up what motivates the typical American female.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  100. Mark Presco says: • Website

    Fred, all of your arguments, cherry picked straw men, mean squat. It is not about skin color. Cultures reflect the content of the character of the people who create and maintain them.

    By every politically correct argument, Mexico should be 130 years ahead of the USA. European immigration to Latin American began in 1492. Mexico City was a thriving colonial city when the University of Mexico was established in 1551, 70 years ahead of the Plymouth Colony.

    You and Ron Unz need to come up with a damn good explanation as to why Mexico is not a first world country. You both have failed miserably.

    Both of you have been told time and time again why this is, but you simply refuse to acknowledge the obvious. The most desirable places to live in on this planet are vastly majority white.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
  101. Flat Cat says:

    Fred gets a lot right in this column-especially in the first few sentences. A realistic, achievable solution to the problems of mass immigration into the United States would be to:

    A: pull the military out of the Middle East, Africa, Asia, and Europe, and redeploy to guard the southern border

    B: put an immediate stop on all new immigration while working to assimilate the people already here into American society (or what is left of it…)

    Taking twenty, or even ten years to assimilate the people who have come from other parts of the world and getting THE HELL OUT of the rest of the world’s business is the only way America will survive as even a shadow of her former self. If things keep going the way they have been the whole thing will crack apart and fall to dust within our lifetimes.

    I know which possibility I believe is most likely. The final act should be interesting to watch, at the very least…

  102. Rurik says:

    the Alt-Right’s dreams of extermination

    Goebbels …

    I guess anyone who’s not down for Fred and Hillary’s vision for America = irredeemable, murderous Nazis

    a robust disregard for truth

    ‘Diversity is our strength!

    btw

    If the Alt-Right wanted only to stop immigration, deport criminals, end affirmative action and so on, it would do no harm.

    that is all they want

    duh

  103. Rurik says:
    @Carroll Price

    Hi Carroll,

    people like me (and probably Fred) who put the welfare of another people on the same level as their own?

    that would be fine if BLM and La Raza and the SPLC and ADL all did the same

    what are the chances of that, eh?

    or the Democrat party deciding that Affirmative Action has achieved its goals of uplifting the descendants of slavery, and run its course, and that it’s patently unfair, unconstitutional (and racist) to continue to fuck over poor white men to advance the fortunes of everybody else over them.

    when La Raza and the DNC demand we end Affirmative Action, count me in with Fred and the rest of the ‘diversity is our strength’ crowd.

  104. Truth says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    BTW, since you are trying to fulfill your college dreams, keep in mind that this gold box of yours won’t be enough to get you into that literature program at Princeton,

    No, not by itself, but he can use it as “lauded publication in a peer reviewed, intellectual journal” when he writes his curriculum vitae.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  105. Truth says:
    @Ron Unz

    I don’t know Ronnie. Kikemason deception is…well… pretty damn good!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5ozkuenmxk

  106. @Carroll Price

    Cuck and traitor work for you too.

  107. Truth says:
    @Jake

    The whites who best know blacks as a large group (rather than know 2 or 3 black individuals) tend to fear blacks as always bound to cause major trouble the second they feel they can get away with it

    Well now, if they really and truly did, I guess that they would move to Vermont or North Dakota.

  108. @Carroll Price

    who put the welfare of another people on the same level as their own?

    This is a logical impossibility. You don’t parse out your household grocery budget among as many people as you can afford without starving to death, and in that event you’d still be prioritizing some people over other people.

    The most “neutral” position attainable would be that they stay there and we stay here, but since Here has a higher standard of living than There, we’re still prioritizing our own over others.

  109. We should use civil asset forfeiture against all individuals who’ve entered the United States illegally and worked here without a green card. We should take their last cent and send them back to whatever shithole they crawled out of.

  110. Jake says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Brenda Walker – a woman who has written articles about the horrors of illegal immigrants from Ireland, for VDARE. I mean, over the past 40 years, Boston alone must have suffered immeasurably from the 2 dozen or so illegals from Ireland free-loading there at least a couple of months each.

    Maybe Brenda Walker can pen us a VDARE masterpiece on the Know-Nothings. Perhaps then she can put together the long awaited VDARE tome on how the pure WASP Quakers and the pure WASP Unitarians and Universalists and the pure WASP Congregationalists are the very essence of conservative culture, and if only the US had triple the number of those people and millions fewer white Catholics, we’d be much more conservative and traditional.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  111. Porter says:
    @Carroll Price

    “I’m curious. What term would you use to describe people like me (and probably Fred) who put the welfare of another people on the same level as their own?”

    Museum Exhibit.

  112. Patricus says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Fred repeats statements that are repeated by others. “We can’t get rid of 45 million Latinos.” The implication is that there is some movement to deport legal citizens and other lawful visitors. I know many who want to deport illegal migrants but no one seeking to evict legal citizens.

    There are many beautiful and accomplished individuals from Latin American countries. I am proud to have some Mexican American inlaws. Somehow we don’t get these engineers, movie stars and brain surgeons in my state’s vast population of illegals. There is a rough bunch who hang around 7-11s drinking beer and urinating against the walls while they wait for day laborer work. The education level is extremely low. Local schools go broke supplying ESL classes and subsidized lunches. Hospitals lose money treating indigents. Three or four families occupy three bedroom houses with another half dozen boarders in the basement. Six or eight cars are parked on the front lawns. Down goes the neighborhood. MS-13 gangs murder other illegals.

    Hopefully these migrants will eventually assimilate like the Germans, Irish, Italians and Jews. Something tells me this will take generations. This group might never assimilate in the US and we will have second world Spanish speaking Central American communities all over the state. That is an insane development.

  113. Jake says:
    @Ron Unz

    “Furthermore, if we get into a nuclear war with Russia, all these other problems will anyway be solved…”

    God help us, that is true.

  114. @Carroll Price

    Probably without realizing it, you neatly summed up what motivates the typical American female.

    ;-}

    There, FIFY, Mr. Price, as they used to say. Hey, why come no one uses this joke anymore? I’m getting behind on the internet again. Spock … need … more ….. amphetamines …. [/evil, narco-addicted Capt. Kirk]

  115. Mark Presco says: • Website
    @SeanG

    You are being kind to simply call it a “conquista”. The Spanish didn’t colonize the north as densely as they did Argentina. They were primarily interested in getting the gold and silver. The majority mestizo population was created when the Spanish enslaved the Amerindians and went about systematically murdering the men and raping the women.

    The Anglos, spearheaded by women, preferred a separation of the races. This is the root of racial resentment. The Spanish considered mestizos somewhat part of the family.

    However, this facilitated the preservation of the North American cultures. There are now over 500 federally recognized tribes and they consider their lands sovereign. They are working very hard to restore their cultures.

    To be a citizen of the Navajo Nation, you must have at least one quarter Navajo blood. To be a citizen of Cherokee Nation you must be descended from someone on the Dawes roll. Most of the other requirements follow bloodlines as well. This conforms to the North American paradigm of sovereign nations based on race.

    Fred is naïve when he states that Mexicans can’t be deported. It was done during the depression.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation

    My best guess is that after the next collapse, which should destroy the welfare state, Latinos will be flooding out of our inner cities, back to the relative safety of rural Latin America.

    • Replies: @J. Reston
  116. A new california republic is in sight; including Baja California and gulf of California; hope no Europeans come to the new freelands. California for the Californans

  117. renfro says:
    @Carroll Price

    What term would you use to describe people like me (and probably Fred) who put the welfare of another people on the same level as their own

    Unless you have unlimited money and resources to put up and keep up those other people’s welfare — I would call you very foolish and short sighted.

    For the long term thinkers among us the immigration issue is about the numbers and the economics, not colors or race.

    Given the facts of economic cycles, government debt, etc….. the US is already close to being the shoe maker whose children had no shoes.

    Take a look at what has been cut from the US 2018 budget….almost all health, education, infrastructure, research, food safety, etc etc etc services …even such small things as heating aid to the elderly in the northern states was cut out.

    Now add an extra 12 to 20 million people who would need help in a real depression and with the US current 22 trillion dollar debt and what would you see?

  118. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @Hyperborean

    Exactly, and Isabella herself is a perfect example.

    1 – She writes in English so she’s almost certainly residing in the US.

    2 – She’s obviously hostile to the native white population. Her message is “it’s your turn to pay now”.

    Clearly, allowing Isabella (or her parents/grandparents) into the country was a mistake. She’s both hostile and too dumb to realise that her outburst is supporting the anti-immigration stance. Amazing.

  119. hvlee says:

    The problem we have is with Mexicans who have moved here, not those Ph.d’s and surgeons who remained in Mexico. Our mileage differs significantly from yours and if you didn’t have a point to make you would recognize this. Mexico is not exporting their finest.

  120. @Achmed E. Newman

    “(yeah, I and they know whom they are)”

    That’s “who they are”. You would use whom in “to whom I’m referring”. /grammar nazi act

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  121. J. Reston says:
    @Mark Presco

    “Conquista” means “conquest”. That is what the events have always been termed. Hernan Cortez and company are termed “conquistadores.” There’s nothing sentimental involved in the use of these terms in relation to those events–neither kind nor unkind. It’s the term used by historians. It goes without saying that the process was a violent one, forced upon the natives of the land, and calls forth resistance on the part of those being conquered; that is why the term in question is used..

    The Anglos preferred a calculated genocide (“the only good Indian is a dead Indian”).

  122. @Achmed E. Newman

    “BTW, I have been amiss ”

    No, you have been remiss. /garmmar nazi

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  123. @Isabella

    Well, in order for that part of the continent to have become Mexico, it was invaded first by Spanish conquistadors, then later by Mexicans, before the Americans ever showed up. The original inhabitants weren’t Mexican.

  124. @Tim Hellemann

    ” No wonder writers like Paul Craig Roberts have eliminated comments on his site.”

    I think that Paul eliminated comments on his site (as on his articles here) because he’s in the process of having a total breakdown. Paul has been getting more and more weird over the past few years, and his columns have become articles of a few paragraphs.

    Paul is losing it. I hope it’s just temporary.

    • Replies: @Jake
  125. KenH says:

    Fred acts like the only thing standing in the way of Mestizos fully assimilating and becoming mirror images of the Brady Bunch family is the dastardly alt-right. Fred’s tin foil hat has caused frontal lobe damage.

    A sizable number of Mestizos still don’t even speak English very fluently so if you asked them about the alt-right you’d probably get a deer in headlights look or “No habla ingles”. Some might even think it’s a new welfare benefit.

    Mestizos aren’t inherently bad or evil and they’re generally less troublesome, toxic and attitudinal than blacks, but nobody will confuse them for Swedes, Germans or Italians either. As their numbers increase in a given area it feels less like America and more like Mexico.

    As far as what to do with 45 million Latinos? The illegals must all be deported but I’m not opposed to a seasonal visas if the domestic labor force is thin for a particular industry. Then we need a moratorium on all immigration making a small allowance for white Europeans and white refugees.

    Freedom of association along with a racial partition of the nation makes the most sense and I think a lot of racial tension owing to forced integration would dissipate if this were allowed. The late Wilmot Robertson was correct that third world immigration levels have made it impossible to recapture the entire nation so a devolution of the USA into race based ethnostates is now the best solution for whites who wish to survive.

  126. StephenH says:
    @Steve Gittelson

    Why evil? The owner of a blog has the right to allow anyone he pleases to comment and he has the right to exclude people he doesn’t want. The Saker’s blog uses volunteer moderators, and as a result his comboxes are not cluttered with low-level comments. Others, such as Paul Craig Roberts, got so tired of reading low-quality comments that he’s discontinued comments altogether. That’s his right. Those who disagree can start their own blogs.

  127. @Che Guava

    Breitbart is indeed creepy and evil. It really does look like neocon central these days, too.

  128. prusmc says: • Website
    @KenH

    IMHO you have captured the essence of Fred.

  129. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @jedevnull

    Mr. Reed is spouting hyperbole

    Deliberate hyperbole. His articles on this particular subject are text-book propaganda.

  130. KenH says:
    @Isabella

    Anglo Americans were invited by Mexico to settle Texas and fight the Comanches since the Mexicans were deathly afraid of them. We also paid Mexico 15 million dollars for area that would become the southwestern states per the terms of the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. That was a princely sum back in the mid 19th century, so the claim that the U.S. “stole” Mexican land is a refrain of left wing ideologues and the historically illiterate.

    • Replies: @Anon
  131. @Twodees Partain

    Thank you, Mr. Partain. I don’t know why I wrote it like that – it’s not the way I talk.

    Enjoying the last of the cold?

  132. @Twodees Partain

    Believe it or not, I noticed that one too, about a day later, though. I was going to use the word “remiss” in another comment, and remembered. I want, no demand, 24/7/365 (sometimes 6) editing capabiltites! For the whole web!

    “garmmar nazi” S/B “grammar Commie”, if I’m not mistaken. ;-}

  133. @StephenH

    I believe Paul Craig Roberts got butt-hurt when his commenters called him out on his Global Climate Disruption(TM) stupidity. As much as I like Mr. Roberts’ point of view otherwise, I am proud to be one of the guys that tried to straighten his silly-ass out on that stuff.

    Those who disagree can start their own blogs.

    Very true. However, OTOH, those who enjoy reading comments as much as the columns can skip people like P.C. Roberts, and I do.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  134. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @StephenH

    why do you not have moderators to eliminate hate

    Why do you hate free speech? People (shills ?) like you are destroying the Net.

  135. @Giuseppe

    so-called race realism

    You might want to read David Reich’s new book. Race realism is simply science.

    Why would a people – in this case white Americans – not want to preserve their people and culture?

    Are the Japanese or Israelis terrible races for doing just this?

    Should no people have their own homeland?

  136. Anonymous[280] • Disclaimer says:
    @DFH

    Perfect!

    We all know the outcome of this treason – no matter how many times Fred and Unz tell the frogs that the water is not that hot… yet.

  137. @Brabantian

    Define racist.

    I use Sailer’s definition of race, which is an extended family. If by racist, you mean preferring my own family over others, then, yes, I am racist and only sociopath wouldn’t be.

    Also, why can’t I oppose both the oligarchs and their migrant minons? Obviously, I hate the leaders more than the troops, but it’s the troops that will change my world permanently.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  138. Giuseppe says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    So-called race realism, because so many of those commenting here here hide behind that term when straight-up racism would be more intellectually honest, as evidenced by your references to the racist Japanese and Israelis. And if you are arguing that the Israelis are not terrible you are crazy.

    This is not the right kind of country for the kind of social experiment you envision, having been appropriated from brown people who were not entirely exterminated and therefore still among us, some of them my proud ancestors, with the addition of forced transportation of Africans as slaves not to mention importing labor from China for the railroads and the long history here of an open door to all races.

    If you want a pure white country, find a place that was only ever inhabited by white people that is not subject to the kind of immigration you loathe, transport yourself there, learn the language and call it home.

  139. TheJester says:
    @Ron Unz

    Ron,

    I agree. We grew up in a mid-Western state with mediocre black-white relations … not as bad as the ghettos in the North but (God help us) nothing like the alleged black-white relations in the South.

    Then, in 1968, we took a trip to see my sister in South Carolina. We discovered … a black maître d’ in a Holiday Inn in the South, integrated neighborhoods, and black farmers sitting on the front porch with their white wives. Wait! In this the “South”? Nothing like this would have been tolerated in our mid-Western state.

    My education: Race relations in the 1960s were bad in the South, worse in the mid-West, and terrible in the North … exactly the opposite of that portrayed in the media.

    The lesson: Beware about what you read or hear from the MSM.

  140. 1. Latin Americans could be the smartest, best looking, hardest working, most moral people in the world, and it still wouldn’t be right to rob Americans of the only homeland they have and give it to Latin Americans.

    2. The “success” of California is not encouraging. Latin American votes have turned it into a permanent one-party Democratic state. The inevitable post-amnesty flood of illegals will turn the entire United States into a Democratic one-party state. Hillary Clinton’s preferred policies – cultural liberalism, globalism, plutocracy + demoralizing welfare, neocon wars – will permanently dominate American politics. Also, the downward pressure on wages, upward pressure on housing costs, and ever-increasing regressive state and local taxes associated with mass immigration are making a traditional American middle class lifestyle impossible in California. American blue collar workers nationwide will be reduced to the economic status of workers in the poorest Latin American country as the process plays out.

    3. Sealing the border is meaningless without interior enforcement (aka deportation). Without interior enforcement, illegals would just flood in through the airports masquerading as tourists or business travelers.

    4. Why is there anything wrong with deporting illegal immigrants? If Mexico is as awesome as Reed claims it is, we would be doing Mexican illegal immigrants and anchor babies a great favor by sending them back to that paradise. Nobody died or even suffered severely in 1954 when Eisenhower deported all the illegal immigrants.

    5. If VDARE, Breitbart etc. and all their supporters disappeared tomorrow, the negative economic and political costs of mass immigration would still exist – there would just be fewer people noticing and commenting on the phenomenon. The middle class would still be eroded by mass immigration, and the Clinton Democrats would still be empowered by mass immigration.

  141. Hibernian says:
    @Jake

    I do see a similarity between the Puritans putting a guy in the stocks for eating cherry pie on Christmas and the Taliban banning music; however, aren’t you overstating your case?

    • Replies: @Jake
  142. Jake says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Roberts is not ‘losing it.’ Over the past few years, he has come to realize that the rot is much worse than he used to assume, and that the evil is fully bi-partisan and is both socialistic and laissez-faire, both fiercely pro-old style WASP Elite and pro-Jewish, that its only great love is of acquiring more money and more power – for itself as a class, not for the nation.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  143. Jake says:
    @Hibernian

    How many altar rails and statues and paintings did the Taliban trash? How much stained glass, some of it half a millennium old, did the Taliban smash?

    How about the Puritans?

  144. It seems to me that what a lot of Fred’s critics (and sometimes Fred himself) overlook is that the great mass of illegal immigrants from Mexico (and points South) are not representative of those who live in Mexico. So arguments about whether Chapala or Guadalajara or Mazamitla are nice places to live miss the point no matter which side you’re on.

  145. @StephenH

    Why evil? The owner of a blog has the right to allow anyone he pleases to comment and he has the right to exclude people he doesn’t want.

    A right? Okay, let’s not quibble semantic value. Censorship quells dissent. Is that good? Foul language can be distasteful and distracting from any genuine content that may or may not be included. Who decides, and who moderates the Moderators?

    Where is virtue? In popularity? In majority opinion? In pretty words and pungent phrases? In interpreted words of God?

    You tell me.

    • Replies: @StephenH
  146. Dear Fred,

    It seems to be a general problem for both America and the EU that somehow we get migrants who are on the whole WORSE than the average of their home country. Victor David Hanson DOES see those thrashy Mexican neighborhoods in California that are worse than the parts of Mexico you live in. Turkish neighborhoods in Berlin are worse than Istanbul.

    I don’t know exactly why but it does seem to be the case that these countries are exporting their worst people.

  147. @StephenH

    For God’s sake, Ron, why do you not have moderators to eliminate hate-filled angry fools like this person?

    The thing is that Ron Unz doesn’t really understand the difference between free speech and assholery.

    It’s one thing to “let a thousand flowers bloom” but you still have to pull weeds.

  148. @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Race realism is simply science.

    LOL.

    Actually, it’s just neo-reactionary ideology masquerading as science. Even a dumbass like Fred Reed has figured that out!

  149. @Achmed E. Newman

    That’s how I remember Paul’s meltdown starting. He has always been a bit of a leftard, with his belief in “democracy” and “global warming”, and had long been protected from public criticism by publishing his articles mostly at sites that had no comments sections.

    I remember a few years ago when he wrote an entire article demanding that publishers of his work stop allowing comments. I used to read his articles before his descent into what his current writing has become. It might help him to stop watching TV, but that may be too little, too late.

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  150. @Jake

    Maybe you know him personally and can speak to what he has realized. I’m basing my observations strictly on what I’ve seen of his writing in the past 20 or so years. It looks to me as though he is losing it. Maybe I’m being too kind and he has already lost it. Not knowing him personally, I can’t really say.

  151. @Jake

    Jake, I can’t speak directly for Mrs. Walker and have never met her. I can guess, though, that she doesn’t have time for the bullshit of which you speak, as she has written > 4,000 posts on VDare over the years with a great California and human-factors perspective on the immigration disaster that has befallen that former paradise. (Women, children and minorities hardest hit!)

    I’m not sure where the Unitarians come in, in all this either, BTW. I don’t think they are on ANYBODY’S side at all. Stupidity is it’s own reward for that crowd.

    You reminded me, though, of Mr. Allan Wall, who also writes at VDare. Like Fred, Mr. Wall lived with his family in Mexico for over a decade, but it was 10 years back or so. Allan Wall’s perspective is very fair, and he is fluent in Spanish, making for some good writing about the Mexican press and government’s perspectives on all this. Something tells me Mr. Reed’s knowledge of Espaniol is limited to “Dos mas cervezas, por favor.” (I wouldn’t blame him for finding it hard to learn a language at his age, albeit about the easiest one for English speakers to learn.)

    • Replies: @MEH 0910
  152. @Thorfinnsson

    “It was certainly nice of Federico Reedriguez to refer to my sensible comment rebutting his absurd Latinotriumphalist boilerplate.”

    I suppose you mean this comment of yours:

    “13. Thorfinnsson says:
    March 20, 2018 at 11:29 pm GMT

    Why do you worship Mexicans so much, Federico?

    Surely Violeta or whatever the fuck her name is doesn’t have that good of a pussy. I mean you were in Viet Nam after all.

    Something in the water?”

    http://www.unz.com/freed/civil-insurrection/#comments

  153. @Giuseppe

    So now even Terence is stupid, and I was thinking that you folks were all about preserving the Western Canon.

    Yes, that quote that you are evidently so impressed by (or are at least willing to employ in the service of your evil program) is indeed blithering stupidity of the highest order.

    you’re just a passing shadow of a hint of the briefest mention inside of a very small historical footnote, a tiny, even microscopic recrudescence of nordic fetishism that influences nobody

    Ah, and there we finally have it, the money quote, the admission of what is driving this line of commentary. The big bad Nordic looked upon little Bepe’s people and decided they were a pack of dagoes and little Bepe can’t handle it – thus we have the racial butthurt that never dies.

    Well guess what, Bepe, I’m probably even a bigger greaseball than you, who has had no small amount of racial animus directed my way by the big bad Nordics. I used to think anti-racism was just about getting those sons o’ bitches off my back. Turns out it’s about vanquishing them off the face of the earth. In what moral universe does erasing an entire branch of humankind count as fair?

    Look, their people eventually recognized the error of their ways and did right by me, so I think it’s only fair that people like me (and maybe you, and certainly Ron Unz) recognize the error of our ways and do right by them.

    Secondly, it’s not all about magnanimity. It’s about racial self-interest, too. What the hell do I (or Ron Unz) have to gain from flooding Europe and the anglo countries with endless non-white immigrants? I get that it keeps the big bad Nordic on the back foot, but the truth is I find chinese, indians, negroids etc every bit as alienating as anglos do. I used to think latinos were okay, and they sort of are, but there’s just too many of them who look barely any different to pure blooded indios, even if they’re supposedly mixed – and again, this is extremely alienating. The way I see it, I’m far better off cooperating with the nordic racist in the hope that this will allow me to carve out a zone of racial homogeneity for myself, rather than supporting the lunacy of anti-racism.

  154. @Twodees Partain

    I thought of him as a hard-core libertarian, and I have no problem at all with that. His columns were about many egregious violations of Constitutional liberties, but after a while it just seemed the same-old-same-old. Maybe they were new revelations of US Feral Gov’t overreach and police state ways each time, so I’m glad if some people read it all. For me, in general, it was just “tell me something I don’t know”.

    When he wrote those 2 idiotic Global Climate Disruption articles, I realized that he is not all there. Yeah, he’s lost something.

    BTW, at that point there was one comment that was a spoof of Roberts that threatened some of the other commenters. I think Mr. Unz took care of it properly, but that probably didn’t help Mr. Robert’s attitude about commenters. I’ve never read a thing by him since. Nice goin’, looney! (or however that movie quote goes – iSteve use it a lot.)

  155. @Twodees Partain

    Yeah, and we’re the insane ones! Heckuva job reading, Unzy!

  156. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @KenH

    It’s about as accurate as saying Mexico is “stealing” it back. Arguable in either case.
    Neither outcome is beneficial for the host country– Mexico screwed itself in the mid-1800s and the US is screwing itself now.

  157. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    One benefit of Mr. Unz’s policy, Mr. Revusky, is that on most other corners of the net you would be considered a “weed”. There’s a “Commenters to Ignore” feature if you don’t want to read stuff.

    But since Sr. Unz seems to be taking policy recommendations, perhaps replacing the “endorsed only” button, which seems pretty useless, with something that lets you ignore posts marked “troll” by your commenters-to-follow might be a good idea.

  158. @Giuseppe

    some of them my proud ancestors, . . .

    If you want a pure white country, find a place that was only ever inhabited by white people that is not subject to the kind of immigration you loathe, transport yourself there, learn the language and call it home.

    Ha. Bad luck for you, my friend. Unlike most commenters around here, I grew up around Indians (yeah, that’s what they called themselves). Indeed, I grew up around the Sioux, one of the badass tribes. So your mystical, “we are from the Earth” Indian bullshit holds no sway over me. Indians are just another people, like any other.

    They fought and stole each other’s land for thousands of years. You have no more claim over a piece of land than anyone else.

    There’s not an inch of land on the planet that’s been held by the same people since humans arrived on the scene. Hell, they kicked out early versions of humans. Grow up my friend.

    • Replies: @wrd9
  159. @Twodees Partain

    Surely Violeta or whatever the fuck her name is doesn’t have that good of a pussy. I mean you were in Viet Nam after all.

    Edgy. Penetrating. Incisive. Analytical. Intellectual. Encompassing. Cerebral. Highbrow. Expository.

    There is no human characteristic, human behavior, more disgusting or indicative of profound moral incompetence than attacks on someone’s spouse.

  160. Truth says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    The low-censorship policy is probably the thing I hold Ron Unz, and Unz.com, and previously Steve Sailer, in highest esteem for.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  161. Che Guava says:

    Would just hitting ‘Agree’, but that is the deifinition of ‘echo chamber’.

    I am very afraid of the promised response to the obvious false-flag in Ghouta, it seems to have been children having been made to eat and chew soap or detergents so they are foaming at the mouth at best.

    In either case, soap and detergent are readily available,

    In the worst case, Erdogan (or someone in Israel or the CIA) managed a re-supply mission to give the Jihadi terrorists a new stock of nerve agents.

    The latter seems very unlikely this time, from hospital reports.

    So, the extremists in the white helmets (they take off the white helmets and return to being violent Jihadis in between theatrical productions) staged the whole thing, with likely external help.

    • Replies: @Anon
  162. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Che Guava

    Very interesting comment, but did you mean to post to another article?

    • Replies: @Che Guava
  163. Giuseppe says:

    The way I see it, I’m far better off cooperating with the nordic racist in the hope that this will allow me to carve out a zone of racial homogeneity for myself, rather than supporting the lunacy of anti-racism.

    Of course you are, since you cheerfully own embracing white racism yourself. Find a country of white people that isn’t likely to allow immigration of the people you detest, transport yourself there, learn the language and call it home.

    (Did I mention that your movement is a passing shadow of a hint of the briefest mention inside of a very small historical footnote, a tiny, even microscopic recrudescence of nordic fetishism that influences nobody? Like the mold in yesterday’s Petri dish?)

    You are so preoccupied with how people look “barely any different to pure blooded Indios” that you are unable to see people as they really are. Like the commenter who thought he had a gotcha photo of garbage in Chapala, in truth, all he had was a photo of a neighborhood collection point for residential garbage. The reality, the truth behind your pure blooded Indios and the garbage sacks is quite different, but you will never see it until you let go of your bitterness and can see pure blooded Indios not as studied fetishized contrivances of the left, nor as the antithesis of blond white purity of nordic fetishism, but as Fred argues here in this column, for what they really are.

    Unfortunately his efforts, and mine, are wasted on the likes of you, at least insofar as you presently are configuring yourself. But somehow I have hope for you.

    • Replies: @Mark Presco
    , @MEH 0910
  164. @Jonathan Revusky

    It’s one thing to “let a thousand flowers bloom” but you still have to pull weeds.

    Chairman Mao can really use a guy like you, Jonathan. You sound like you really get him.

    I also appreciate the great leeway allowed by Mr.’s Unz, Sailer, Reed, Derbyshire or whoever else does the actual moderating, especially after I’ve criticized 1/2 of those guys quite a bit in the last 2 days. That does show class.

    I’ve read your long-winded garbage once too many times, meaning one time. I find it easy to pick out names and just pass over them, and yours sticks out like a sore thumb, Revulsky. I don’t really need any more html controls.

  165. @MEH 0910

    Thanks for pulling it out, MEH, but I’m sure I’ve read it all. As I wrote to Mr. Unz, I’ve kept up with VDare for 15 years. Since they don’t have commenting, it’s only 20 min/day or so, and not such a time-suck as unz ;-}

  166. Mark Presco says: • Website
    @Giuseppe

    Poor Giuseppe, you seem to be a young man thoroughly brainwashed in new religion of Antiracism. This is really the new experiment that has only been going on for only about 53 years. It has utterly failed. This country was founded as a white nation in 1776.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

    and remained virtually intact until the 1965 immigration act:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

    We went off the rails then. We intend get back on them.

    Your new religion is based on victimhood and you have been taught to believe and regurgitate every instance of past injustice. It is all nonsense.

    You accuse us of victimizing Native Americans. The greater truth is that we dragged them out of the stone age kicking and screaming all the way. We are now providing them with a first world quality of life. However, they claim victimhood because we don’t provide them with equal outcomes, we don’t have to.

    The topic of this article is what to do about the people of Native American decent who are flooding across our borders. They want us to provide them a first world quality of life too, because they cannot provide it for themselves in Latin America. There are now more southern natives (some say over 40 million) than indigenous natives (about 5 million). How are these people victims? We don’t have to provide for them either.

    You say we should return to Europe. Apparently it has escaped your notice that it is also being invaded by non-whites who want us to provide them a quality of life they cannot provide themselves. In fact, we are doomed to become minorities in every culture we have built in this world because the non-whites cannot figure out how to improve their quality of life, other than to elbow their way into white cultures, dump themselves on white men, and demand that we provide for them.

    If we do not do this for them to their satisfaction they scream racism, oppression and white male privilege. Are you white enough to have been tarred with this epithet? Have you been so thoroughly guilt tripped all of your life so as to believe that you world’s premier victimizer? Don’t be, because no one has done more to improve the quality of life for others than white men.

    Non-whites are not victims because we are not providing them with economic party to white men. They victimize the world because they have failed to turn their cultures into first world countries. Failed to become equal partners of the “International Community” ready to help the truly needy.

    We do not have to do this for them. They have to do it for themselves. If there truly is no difference between the races, then these is absolutely no excuse for them not to have done it already. If they can’t do it for themselves, we will not become minorities in our own countries in a futile effort to do it for them.

    We are in an existential battle for the survival of Western Civilization.

    • Agree: BenKenobi
    • Replies: @Giuseppe
    , @Corvinus
  167. MEH 0910 says:
    @Giuseppe

    Lake Chapala: The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly

    ……
    The Bad

    Garbage – Its is still common for people to leave their garbage on the street for pickup and although there is garbage pickup 2-6 days a week (depending on area) the garbage is often for the dogs.
    Litter – In general, I think it can be said that most Mexicans discard their trash out their window or just drop it on the street. There is lots of litter but there are also Mexican organizations doing regular trash pick up on the weekends and trying to combat and educate about this problem.
    ……
    The Ugly

    Poor Treatment of Pets and Livestock – Mexico has a poor appreciation for animals and this can be grizzly for some people to see

    • Replies: @Anon
  168. MEH 0910 says:
    @Giuseppe

    Like the commenter who thought he had a gotcha photo of garbage in Chapala, in truth, all he had was a photo of a neighborhood collection point for residential garbage.

    How was that a gotcha photo? It came from the news item I linked to above it, about erratic trash collection in Chapala.

  169. KenH says:

    Since it won’t let me post links, Mexico’s cartel violence caused the homicide rate to spike to over 25K and despite all the bookstores and intellectual activity, kidnapping for ransom continues to increase year over year. These two things among others doesn’t paint a portrait of a bucolic little Europe south of the border.

    Another racially mixed paradise called Brazil has around 60K homicides. This is the USA’s future in just another 2-3 decades.

    Fred’s definitely earned the Rachel Dolezal award for transracialism. He’s become a Mexican in mind and soul. He’s a white man no more.

    His next column should be his acceptance speech for the award.

    • Replies: @L.K
  170. @Mark Presco

    “You and Ron Unz need to come up with a damn good explanation as to why Mexico is not a first world country. You both have failed miserably.”
    Right on. I too will be waiting, in vain most probably, for such a very badly needed explanation. If this is not accomplished, then all their rhetoric is mostly bomb blast. In the Northern Hemisphere, the USA and Canada, why not Mexico?

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  171. @Simply Simon

    Yeah, I hate when their rhetoric is bomb blast. Those bomb blastic guys are hard to convince, you know?

  172. Giuseppe says:
    @Mark Presco

    Poor Giuseppe, you seem to be a young man thoroughly brainwashed in new religion of Antiracism. This is really the new experiment that has only been going on for only about 53 years. It has utterly failed. This country was founded as a white nation in 1776.

    Like much of what else has been written here, you write out of pure suppositions, not facts. I have not been accused of being a young man for many decades. I have been at some pains to show you that though at some points I generally could agree with the critique here of leftism and its view of race, there is third way of looking at race outside of the racist/antiracist dialectic that that is based on facts not fetishes, e.g. Fred’s article. I plead guilty to being brainwashed in what you could call a religion, because frankly my brain needed washing badly and continues to need it on an ongoing basis. The Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church is much older than a country founded in 1776 by white people and its roots are in the foundations of the earth. I regard my identity in Christ first, and I look for the eschaton, the consummation of all things when I will stand with the great multitude from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, before the throne. Furthermore, I’m not Italian. I’m also not Catholic.

    • Replies: @silviosilver
  173. @Truth

    The low-censorship policy

    Well, this is a misunderstanding. (I hope it’s not deliberate.) I wasn’t talking about anything that could be described in a sane manner as “censorship”.

    If it was firmly established that you were not allowed to insult another man’s wife here, especially from behind a cloak of anonymity, would you feel that this was a violation of your right to “free speech”.

    If it is established (and I think it is) that I can’t walk around here in a public park with my dick hanging out, is that an attack on my “basic liberties”?

    The idea becomes that “free speech” implies an unlimited tolerance for outrageous assholery and douchebaggery. It does not and really, it cannot.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @Truth
  174. @Achmed E. Newman

    Look, I’m not much of a fan of Fred Reed, and especially not Derbyshire. However, I don’t think either of them should have to put up with swine here showing up and badmouthing their wives. Especially, people who are such cowards as to do it anonymously.

    I’ve put up with some amazing shit under the articles I wrote. Under one of them, there was this douchebag who signs his drivel “Mr. Anon” who wrote at least 50 comments under the article, fully admitting that he had not read the article! That’s not the only one. Increasingly, the douchebag shit eaters who show up openly say they never read the article.

    There are a lot of people here who are really up to no good. Some of them are just assorted anonymous cranks, but others, I’m pretty sure are professional disrupters and disinfo agents. It’s not always easy to distinguish the various groups. But regardless, when somebody openly says that he has not read the article up top and is there just to personally insult you, this is not free speech. It’s just douchebaggery.

    Of course, that the various douchebags and assholes are not in favor of a crackdown on douchebaggery and assholery is hardly surprising.

    It stands to reason that turkeys are not in favor of Thanksgiving either. However, it is not generally believed that the turkeys have any say in the matter.

    • Replies: @Truth
    , @Truth
    , @Truth
  175. StephenH says:
    @Steve Gittelson

    @Steve Gittelson

    “Who decides, and who moderates the Moderators?”

    The blog’s owner decides. For example, check out the Saker’s blog: http://thesaker.is/moderation-policy/

    • Replies: @Steve Gittelson
  176. StephenH says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    @Jonathan Revusky

    Exactly ! Thanks, John!

  177. Che Guava says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    Godree whatever is the better example of post-Maosist crap, but Revusky, Linh Dinh enjoys travelling with him, but thankfully, Revusky is just another commentor here, not columnist or commentator … yet.

  178. Amos says:

    “They’re not sending us their best”, remember. Even if the Mexican average is tolerable, the folks coming to the US are hardly the elites of Mexico City or Jalisco, but the un-educated, illiterate types. About 60%, I believe, have not finished high school at all.

  179. @StephenH

    The blog’s owner decides. For example, check out the Saker’s blog: http://thesaker.is/moderation-policy/

    Gee, ya think? Just FYI, I don’t read “the Saker”, and remain blissfully free from whatever influence he may be projecting.

    I operated forums for twelve years. People insult each other with varying degrees of skill, and using varying methodologies. That’s what people do. No matter what measures a forum moderator takes, some degree of insult will trickle through.

    In my opinion, moderators should have the discretion to delete any post containing ad hominem invective. Just delete such, outright. Let the nasty, insulting poster figure out a way to say it without attacking the character, morals, birthright legitimacy, etc. of the offending targeted person. It makes for better dialog when standard forms of vituperation are disallowed. Opinions, values, arguments, reasoning, etc. should be subject to attack. The person, never.

    Now, I will concede that moderators, traditionally, have not been known for their ability to distinguish ad hominem from what may, in fact, be their own opinions as well as those of the person writing the ad hominem.

    As my Mom frequently points out, we live in a fallen world. That being said, I see no good reason not to raise it up a bit, given what few opportunities we might have to do so.

  180. @Twodees Partain

    Yeah, I hate when their rhetoric is bomb blast. Those bomb blastic guys are hard to convince, you know?

    LOL. Well, he does call himself “simple”.

    • Replies: @Simply Simon
  181. @Giuseppe

    I have not been accused of being a young man for many decades.

    I have to say I’m disappointed to hear that, since it means you probably won’t be around to see the western world decompose into the negroidal crap heap that it must inevitably become if racial separation isn’t effected.

    On the other hand, I’m glad you aging anti-racist loons are departing this earth. The youngest generations have certainly been raised on a diet of racial lies, but genetic science and contemporary cultural-political developments are both beginning to severely undermine the case for race-denial in the eyes of growing numbers of people. I think such people will prove far more susceptible to reason than old school anti-white race-deniers like you.

    • Replies: @Truth
  182. As the demographics of the United States cease to resemble East Tennessee and begin to resemble California and Hawaii, the politics of Congressman John Duncan will be replaced by the politics of Congressman Adam Schiff and Senator Brian Schatz.

    Coronel Fred Reed del Batallón San Patricio disingenuously pretends to not understand this simple fact.

  183. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    The idea becomes that “free speech” implies an unlimited tolerance for outrageous assholery and douchebaggery.

    That’s exactly what full commitment to free speech implies. You’re just salty because people criticised your ridiculous articles and mocked your subsequent assholery. No one here should care about your “outrage” and “tolerance” thresholds. Just lock yourself in a local a trans-gender toilet and cry it out.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  184. Truth says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Well my feelings on this are that the rules of what can, and cannot be said should be established upon the front page. If some keyboard kommando insults your wife under the cloak of anonymity, you have choices:

    Insult back

    Ignore it

    Leave the site

    Register a complaint

    Ultimately I feel that the creator of a site has his right to the way the site is run and that’s fine with me. Unz and the rest, in my humble opinon are fair with what they allow and do not allow.

  185. Truth says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Look, I’m not much of a fan of Fred Reed, and especially not Derbyshire. However, I don’t think either of them should have to put up with swine here showing up and badmouthing their wives.

    In a general sense, I wouldn’t call it “badmouthing.” I’m black, and as I tell the “Malcolm-X’s” in my inner circle, who have white girlfriends; “I don’t give a shit how much Stokley Carmichael you can quote, show me three things and I will make a fair assesment on your feelings about black people:”

    1- Who you fuck

    2- Where you live

    3- On what you spend your money

    I don’t need to hear “400 years of slavery” again, I’ve heard it. When your mouth matches your actions, then and only then are you a real manb.

    “Race Traitors” bemoaning the fall of the white race, like the two gentlemen mentioned above, are mere court jesters, again in my humble opinon, who’s job is my entertainment. Apparently, a few others here, (not many) feel the same way.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  186. Truth says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I’ve put up with some amazing shit under the articles I wrote. Under one of them, there was this douchebag who signs his drivel “Mr. Anon” who wrote at least 50 comments under the article, fully admitting that he had not read the article! </blockquote

    LOL, well you have to understand, Mr. Anon, AKA "grasshopper"; he is one of the "special" ones around here.

  187. Truth says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    I’m pretty sure are professional disrupters and disinfo agents.

    My Friend, let’s just be perfectly honest, a few, if not most, of the writers here are kikemason professional disinfo agents. If they truly believed what they wrote, the mystery would be how the generate enough brainpower to move their fingers on a keyboard.

  188. Truth says:
    @silviosilver

    I have to say I’m disappointed to hear that, since it means you probably won’t be around to see the western world decompose into the negroidal crap heap that it must inevitably become if racial separation isn’t effected.

    Well you will, Old Sport, and as they say. “failing to prepare is like…” My suggestion; incorporate a few new dance steps into your repertoire…

  189. @Anonymous

    The idea becomes that “free speech” implies an unlimited tolerance for outrageous assholery and douchebaggery.

    That’s exactly what full commitment to free speech implies.

    Well, of course that is complete nonsense. A commitment to free speech is not a commit to limitless tolerance of assholery and douchebaggery. Of course, you might sincerely believe that it is. After all, if Ron Unz can’t understand the difference between free speech and assholery, obviously it stands to reason that anonymous dipshit #192 doesn’t understand either.

    You’re just salty because people criticised your ridiculous articles

    That is an utterly ridiculous statement. I wrote five in-depth articles on this site in the full knowledge that people would have criticisms. I openly welcomed a critique of the ideas I was putting forward. I didn’t receive much in the way of any legitimate critique though. Mostly just dishonest douchebaggery.

    But, look, anybody who showed up with the shadow of a shadow of a legitimate critique of anything I was saying (or that they thought I was saying) I would engage that person in legitimate debate.

    Since all of that, I have, on occasion, gone through all that discussion and it is my considered opinion that nobody ever laid a glove on me in any ensuing debate, either factually or logically. If you think somebody did, then there is a complete electronic record of all of it, and you can point me to where somebody scored any sort of debating point against me.

    So what do people do when they can’t debate with somebody legitimately? They just start all the endless douchebaggery. It’s not like you (whoever you are) or anybody else there invented anything new. There are pages out there that break down the basic tactics of professional disrupters in discussion forums. You guys can be observed going through the classic playbook.

    To be in a position where, in the name of some completely misconceived understanding of what “free speech” is, one is totally helpless against all this typical bullshit, it’s just ridiculous. The whole thing just degrades into being a sort of cesspool. What happens is that the professional disrupters, people with nothing to say, drive out all the legitimate participants (at least those with a minimum of good taste) who actually DO have something to say!

    The whole idea that “free speech” = “unlimited douchebaggery” is just completely unworkable really.

  190. Bruceito says:

    Hey the Southwest used to belong to Spain who lost it to Mexico which became a nation in 1810. When the Mormons moved to Utah they were running from persecution in the US. Then the US attacked and conquered the southwest. Read your history. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was broken as fast as the Indian Treaties. Land was stolen from legitimate owners in California as fast as the US squatters could move onto it. That is the history of the world, those with military power subdue those with lesser military power.
    To those who don’t like Trump all that can be said about him is that he is doing exactly what he said he would do if elected. Personally I never liked his show where he said YOU ARE FIRED! Watched it once part way through and decided never again.

  191. @Truth

    In a general sense, I wouldn’t call it “badmouthing.” I’m black, and as I tell the “Malcolm-X’s” in my inner circle, who have white girlfriends;

    A key element in what you are describing is that this is, in your own words, your inner circle. Presumably, these are people that you have a level of familiarity and trust with, and you’re able to sit down over a beer (or five) and discuss these sensitive topics.

    You’re talking about face-to-face contact of people who know one another personally. Inner circle, i.e. intimate friendships, right?

    The situation that we’re talking about here, that’s somebody showing up anonymously and talking about somebody’s wife! We’re talking about people taking these incredible liberties with you, that you’ve never met, you don’t know who they are…

    Do you really think that this is the same thing? I wrote five articles here. I am not anonymous. Anybody any good at internet snooping can find out whatever about me. Suppose somebody I don’t even know shows up and starts taking these kinds of liberties, talking about my family or friends or anything that they could maybe find out — all from behind the cloak of anonymity.

    You really think that kind of thing is okay?

    Yeah, mon, that’s just free speech. You have to accept it.

    Get a clue, man. That’s not free speech. That’s just shit.

    • Replies: @Truth
  192. Becca says:

    Hey Fred, there is no such race or ethnicity as ”Latin”. It’s an ancient language. You are referring to Hispanics, the people who invented the trans-Atlantic slave trade, imported and worked to death nearly 9 million African slaves and prior to that committed the genocide against virtually all of the indigenous peoples of what is now Mexico Central and South America. The southwest of what is the USA never belonged to Spain or Mexico, in fact when they were attempting to colonize it, they were so barbaric to the Apache, Navajo and Utes those peoples attacked and purged them from their lands over and over again. Any claim they had on those lands was tenuous at best and when the US warred with Mexico, those same tribes joined with us to defeat Mexico. You want to brownwash the Hispanic’s history? You can’t the fecal tinged stench pervades it so much covering it up does no good. Hispanics are a corrupt lawless people whose culture invented the banana republic, it’s people are lawless and incapable of civilization. It is a rape culture. Mexico Central and South American countries are among the most violent countries in the world. If you love it so much, then move there and embrace it. Otherwise STFU. While there are some good Hispanic people they are the exception, not the rule

    • Replies: @L.K
  193. Allan Wall has the best writing on the problems presented by migrants from South of The Border.

  194. L.K says:
    @Becca

    If you love it so much, then move there and embrace it. Otherwise STFU

    He has, Fred lives in Mexico.

    …Hispanics, the people who invented the trans-Atlantic slave trade, imported and worked to death nearly 9 million African slaves blah, blah

    You obviously have no idea what the hell you are talking about. The “hispanics” “invented the trans-Atlantic slave trade”, eh?

    The major Atlantic slave trading nations, ordered by trade volume, were: the Portuguese, the British, the French, the Spanish, and the Dutch Empires.

    Plenty of European Jews from these & other countries participated in it as well, though Spielberg won’t tell ya that.
    Dumb fuck.

  195. Prophetic says:
    @Giuseppe

    I think it would be safe to assume your ancestors were Italian, right?

    You did hear that, in New York, some minorities wanted to remove the statue of Christopher Columbus?
    How do you feel about that? Glad to hear it? Disgusted by it? Indifferent?

    Well, if our immigration policy is not changed, that will happen.
    Then freedom to bare arms will be next to go, once minorities overtake us demographically.
    Freedom of speech is already largely impeded, but it will be abolished completely.
    In one word – freedom.

    So if you cherish freedom, you’d want to preserve Whites as majority in any population.
    Less Whites, less freedom.

    One thing, very obvious to an impartial observer of this world, seems to be escaping you and the rest of egalitarian clique in this comment section:

    Politics is downstream from culture, but culture is downstream from people.

    No population with average IQ less than 90 ever built a productive society.
    That should be fairly obvious from a quick glance over the state of continents.

    Boers were also very liberal, very high-minded, open to diversity.
    Now white farmers are getting tire necklaces, infants are put in ovens, women raped in front of their families.

    Given all the real and fake grievances the left is constantly fueling into minorities, this is going to be our future in the US. To dwindle down to nothingness as a hated minority.

    You care more about a rare specie of caterpillar going extinct then you care about your own people.
    If our ancestors were behaving like you do today, we would’ve never achieved anything. No protection against Ottomans or Mores, no enlightenment, no territory gained, no exploration of new worlds, …

    Only cucking.

    • Replies: @Giuseppe
  196. L.K says:
    @KenH

    KenH, I expected a bit more from you… I guess from some of your posts having to do with other issues…

    Anyway, the murder rate in the ZUSA has dropped considerably from what it was from the mid 60s, to mid 90s… back then, the ZUS was more white than it is now.
    How much of this drop may have been achieved by having the second highest incarceration rate in the world, IDK…

    Russia, which is generally considered a ‘white’ county by the ZUS Alt Right, reached nearly 50.000 murders in the 1990s, with a population 50 million less than that of present day Brazil.
    Point is, the reasons for violence and crime in Latin America are complex and varied and to “explain” it through the notion of race, as in not enough whites or too much mixing or whatever, is just fraudulent.

    Brazil is the 8th largest economy in the world & it does have a very large white population… yet, its murder rate is higher than many very poor black African countries…

    Uruguay’s population is overwhelmingly of European descent(mostly Spanish and Italian) but its murder rate is a bit higher than that of Peru, where most people are either Mestizos or indigenous & nearly 2x that of Chile, which has a smaller % of whites.

    That you want to control your borders I totally get, but there is no need for the BS.

    This is a bit like saying that Muslims are a bunch of terrorists, rapists and what not, as arguments against immigrants from Muslim countries… not only is this not true, but it ignores how the ZUS has directly or indirectly(through allies) encouraged and propped up Islamic extremist cults.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
    , @KenH
  197. Giuseppe says:
    @Prophetic

    You did hear that, in New York, some minorities wanted to remove the statue of Christopher Columbus?
    How do you feel about that? Glad to hear it? Disgusted by it? Indifferent?

    It’s a prophecy. The iconoclasts are showing us how they will tear up the Constitution.

  198. @L.K

    How much of this drop may have been achieved by having the second highest incarceration rate in the world, IDK…

    Second highest? Which is #1? (Hey, we’re always #1, dude!)

    I always figured that the main reason for the drop in the murder rate was just the demographics. There was a post-war baby boom up until about 1964, which was then followed by a “baby bust”. So, in the seventies and eighties there was a huge over-supply of young males in their twenties and after that, far fewer. That’s probably the main reason. That the various politicians then want to take credit for this is to be expected.

    Another thing that happened was the drug addiction crisis with crack cocaine and all that. It appears that flooding the black ghettos with crack was a deep state operation. So there’s all that sordid history too.

    Anyway, I wrote a new article and it is up on my own website.

    https://heresycentral.com/2018/04/09/blackbetty/

    I submitted it to Ron but I would be surprised if he runs it. Though he still might. He hasn’t told me he isn’t (or that he is). But this weird irrational hostility he was expressing towards me under the last article has certainly not abated.

  199. Truth says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    My Friend, I suppose if unz.com had a log line, it would be “working tirelessly for the preservation of white people.”

    Now as I said earlier, the most important decision that a man makes, and the one that speaks the most about who he is, is his selection of mate. This is 10x more powerful than one’s car, hobbies or the condition of one’s shoes. As Emerson once said, “what you are screams so loudly in my ears, I cannot hear what you say.

    Now I, as an outsider, find it patently absurd that two white men with Asian and Mestizo wives would appoint themselves as preservers of white people. You didn’t preserve your own white heritage, but you are going to tell others how to do it? AYFKM?

    That would be like Heidi Klum going on a campaign for the preservation of Germany from immigrants…

    http://www.mommyish.com/heidi-klum-divorce-vacation-kids-492/

    And being offended when someone made a snarky reference to her children.

    I have no problem with anyone’s choice of life partner, that is for he to decide, I also have no problem with someone else shouting down a snake-oil salesman at a carnival.

    This is a man’s forum. If you are going to make a fool of yourself by writing columns that contradict your most significant decision in life, be a man and be prepared to urinate standing up.

    And to the credit of Mssrs. Reed and Derbyshire, they deal with the FEW snarky and insulting remarks about their families and I believe they are smart enough to know that what I am saying is true.

    It is other posters who take offense to it.

    Man; you made me actually take this thing seriously for a second! Note to self, go back to making jokes and give unz.com what it asks for.

  200. @Truth

    Well, look, this is a very complex conversation if one wants to engage in it in a serious manner and most likely, you’re just here for light entertainment anyway. But look, to really break this whole thing down and discuss it, you have to separate out various issues. What you are saying is actually waaaay too simplistic.

    For starters…

    What we do in our personal lives does not necessarily absolutely reflect our ideological beliefs. Some of that is good old-fashioned hypocrisy but there are other nuances to consider. For example…

    I might choose to live in a very “multicultural” environmental like central London or Paris, say, simply because that is what I personally prefer. Maybe because I find it more stimulating and interesting. However, I still could perfectly well recognize that the majority of British or French people do NOT want that. And I also could recognize that these people have the right to preserve the world that they know and they don’t want their own local town to be flooded with immigrants from all over the world.

    So I could perfectly well believe that Hungary’s government has every right to decline to take in all the various refugees because they have the right to preserve their demographic status quo. Yet I also might not want to live in the resulting white ethno-state myself because maybe I would find it boring.

    If Derbyshire, let’s say, marries a Chinese woman (which he did) and then moves off and lives happily ever after in China (which he didn’t… yet…) that is his personal choice based on his personal preferences, but if he then defends the right of more conventional white folks to be…. well,… conventional white folks, it’s not clear that there is such an absolute contradiction. Or, Fred Reed, based on the various parameters at that juncture in his life, decided to go live in Mexico and then married a woman he met there. Him doing that is not necessarily tantamount to his saying that everybody should do what he did or thinking that everybody wants that for himself.

    One problem here is that this site has basically devolved into being basically some sort of nasty “angry white man” site so you’ve got all these assholes here who just can’t navigate any kind of nuance. So it’s just: “You married a Chinese woman, so you’re a cuck!” “You live in Mexico and seem to like Mexicans okay, so you must be anti-white!” One thing you notice is that they react in an absolutely hostile way to Fred Reed saying anything positive about Mexico, because, for them, if you don’t utter despise other peoples, then you’re anti-white or a cuck or something. This is the level that these people are at.

    So, anyway, the issue is much more subtle and nuanced than what you are presenting. Even things that are more clear cases of outright hypocrisy still need to be broken down. Say you have the case of a moralistic preacher who writes eloquent sermons about marital fidelity and then it turns out the guy has a long-time affair with his secretary. Well…. that case is more like good old hypocrisy, but I would still make the point that this does not, in and of itself, mean that the ideals expressed in the guy’s sermons are wrong. Nor does it even mean that he doesn’t believe in all that on some level. That he doesn’t live up to the ideals that he expresses because… well, he’s human… that’s another matter. We understand this.

    The issue I brought up that you are skirting around is the propriety of delving into somebody’s personal life from behind a cloak of anonymity. You talked of your “inner circle” and so on. But you’re clearly referring to a case where people who are well acquainted with one another are engaging face to face. So it’s not like you’re getting on somebody’s case over talking all negritude but having a white girlfriend and so forth WHILE hiding the details of your own life.

    The other person presumably knows all the details of you life as well, right? And then probably can turn it around on you with things about YOUR life!

    A key issue here is just the asymmetry of the whole thing here!

    I haven’t had this stuff of people delving into my family or anything, but I have enough experience here of people talking to me in a very personal kind of way from behind a mask, while I’m completely forthright about who I am. I find it pretty disturbing and really quite improper and I think most people would feel the same way I do. It’s really NOT normal. If you (and others here) honestly cannot grasp this basic issue, it might be simply because you’ve never been in that position.

    But anyway, I don’t know of any other place on the Internet where the kind of stuff that happens here is tolerated. So, okay, maybe everybody else is marching out of step. I think this website has a real problem with this kind of thing.

    It’s part of a bigger problem though. The site is increasingly just some “angry white man” site for venting, more than a real intellectual venue. My feeling is that, to get things back on the rails, if one really wanted this to be more a serious site for intellectual discussion, the whole assholery issue would have to be dealt with.

    Assholery and douchebaggery are not what free speech is about.

    • Replies: @Steve Gittelson
  201. Corvinus says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    “I use Sailer’s definition of race, which is an extended family.”

    Except, it’s NOT a definition, but a narrative. Race, ethnicity, family have commonalities, to be sure, but there are NOTICEABLE differences.

    Besides, white people are not monolithic. They make up their own minds about race and culture, and need not be virtue signaled to death every time they choose not to “defend their tribe”. Grow up.

    “Obviously, I hate the leaders more than the troops, but it’s the troops that will change my world permanently.”

    Actually, if you stop the leaders, then there are no troops to lead.

  202. Corvinus says:
    @Mark Presco

    “This country was founded as a white nation in 1776.”

    Actually, our nation was founded by a host of Europeans.

    “The greater truth is that we dragged them out of the stone age kicking and screaming all the way. We are now providing them with a first world quality of life.”

    Perhaps these groups preferred their way of life, rather than be offered “comforts”. And who is to say that the European, compared to the Native American, way of life is “first world” or of “better quality”? Sounds like more an opinion.

    “They want us to provide them a first world quality of life too, because they cannot provide it for themselves in Latin America.”

    No, they can provide it, just not in the manner they would truly enjoy.

    “In fact, we are doomed to become minorities in every culture we have built in this world…”

    We, as human beings.

    “because the non-whites cannot figure out how to improve their quality of life, other than to elbow their way into white cultures, dump themselves on white men, and demand that we provide for them.”

    You seem to forget that it was Europeans who invaded and invited the world, who sought free stuff and gimmedats in the form of raw materials. And, certainly, they provided benefits to the newly conquered.

    “They victimize the world because they have failed to turn their cultures into first world countries.”

    Never ceases to amaze me the fetish that some have with race realism, false flags, below replacement, and first worldism.

    “We are in an existential battle for the survival of Western Civilization.”

    Except, Americans and Europeans generally do not view matters in those terms, nor should they be virtue signaled into seeing it as a “battle for Western Civilization”. Remember, you didn’t built it.

    • Replies: @Anon
  203. Fred now says serious immigration control is fine but don’t deport illegals already here.

    Does anyone recall him saying this BEFORE the alien invasion became a catastrophe??

    • Replies: @Steve Gittelson
  204. @Jonathan Revusky

    [sigh]

    Spare us, please. Well, spare me, anyway. Go write something for Parents Magazine. Feel better.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  205. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Why don’t you have a constructive conversation with Jonathan Revusky? I think you could both enlighten each other.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  206. @Truth

    Truth, you’re absolutely right. Let’s clink the virtual glasses and have drink.

    • Agree: Truth
  207. @Steve Gittelson

    Does a man talk like this?

    Well, of course not. You’re obviously somebody who just never grew up.

    “Free speech” isn’t about letting a bunch of children disrupt an adult conversation.

    • Replies: @Steve Gittelson
  208. @Jonathan Revusky

    Does a man talk like this?
    Well, of course not. You’re obviously somebody who just never grew up.
    “Free speech” isn’t about letting a bunch of children disrupt an adult conversation.

    Oh, now, Jonny, be honest. Free speech is about having an intelligent discussion. A “conversation” is a cocktail party convention, the only “adult” part being a requirement for a fake ID to get booze. Furthermore, being “subtle and nuanced”, if and when there may be such a requirement (and, seriously, how often do you go all subtle and nuanced, and what good does it do?), amounts to subtlety and nuance only in the mind of he who subtleizes and nuances.

    Intelligent discussions require some measure of fact, some attempt at analysis, and perhaps some element of dialectics — Hegelian, Socratic or otherwise.

    Intelligent discussions do not develop from adolescent maundering, nor from equally adolescent challenges to masculinity or maturity.

    Hey, so you’re having a weak week, fine. But, if you want intelligent discussion, start with the elements of one. Spare me your theories on family relationships and angry white men.

    • Replies: @Jonathan Revusky
  209. @Pat Kittle

    Fred now says serious immigration control is fine but don’t deport illegals already here.

    Does anyone recall him saying this BEFORE the alien invasion became a catastrophe??

    Well, yes, indirectly. His position has reliably been one of belief that the mexican invasion is doing us all a lot of good. Good people, good for America, good for the future prosperity of the American United States of the Western Hemisphere, etc.

    I’m not one for insisting that your Generic Mexican is Evil Incarnate, but how does that make a wholesale invasion by millions upon millions of non-assimilating generic mexicans into a “good thing”? 50 million generic mexicans are an economic burden on the middle class American. Certainly, the mexican substandard wage schedule is a boon to the nation-destroying greed of the wealthy class, but again, “good thing for America”? I don’t see it.

    • Replies: @Pat Kittle
  210. Corvinus says:
    @Anon

    “Why don’t you have a constructive conversation with Jonathan Revusky? I think you could both enlighten each other.”

    Perhaps you could up your game here and engage in substantive dialogue when I challenge your assertions, rather than pass the proverbial intellectual buck.

    • Replies: @Anon
  211. @Steve Gittelson

    Spare me your theories on family relationships and angry white men.

    SPARE YOU?????!!!!

    I WAS NOT TALKING TO YOU, YOU SCUMBAG! I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY ELSE! YOU WERE NOT A PARTICIPANT IN THE CONVERSATION!!!????

  212. Anonymous[192] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    Lol! Here we go again with another weekend amphetamine binge…

    This is why you don’t have any friends, Jonathan. You are over-self-medicated.

  213. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Corvinus

    Perhaps you could up your game here and engage in substantive dialogue when I challenge your assertions, rather than pass the proverbial intellectual buck.

    Like I said in the other thread, don’t drink and post.

    • Replies: @Corvinus
  214. Anon[291] • Disclaimer says:
    @Jonathan Revusky

    See, this is a public forum, for better or for worse. I think that’s the main thing you don’t really understand. It’s quite probable that some people will exceed the limits of civility– whereupon the normal thing to do is ignore them or politely rebuke them, not come back sounding crazier than they do.

  215. @Steve Gittelson

    I think you missed my point.

    Fred lately pays lip service to the idea that serious immigration enforcement is fine with him, just don’t deport illegals already here.

    My point is that I don’t recall him EVER saying that until very recently, AFTER the invasion is already reaching critical mass.

    BTW, I don’t “hate Mexicans” or anyone else (with the possible exception of genocidal chicken-hawk war-mongers for “Greater Israel”).

    We are extremely over-crowded already. We don’t need any more humans, even if they’re all poster-child perfect (which they are NOT).

  216. @Jonathan Revusky

    I WAS NOT TALKING TO YOU, YOU SCUMBAG! I WAS TALKING TO SOMEBODY ELSE! YOU WERE NOT A PARTICIPANT IN THE CONVERSATION!!!????

    Welcome to forum software that has no “Private Message” function.

    You sure are an excitable little fella. Calm down. You can bullshit if you like, but it’s a forum. Someone is bound to tell you that you’re just bullshitting.

  217. Corvinus says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    “The argument for engineering such a massive change in US demographics…”

    There was not a deliberate plan to shift our population calculus. You are entertaining conspiracy theories.

    “They are stolid, hard workers”

    Hard workers, yes. And animated.

    “and the planter class is no doubt delighted with their amiable helots.”

    Considering their womenfolk are Roman Catholic adherents, your description is off the charts wrong.

    “I still oppose my country being deliberately engineered to Central American social and political norms.”

    We are not heading in that direction. And it’s not just “your” country.

    Don’t you have some legal briefs to write?

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  218. Corvinus says:
    @Anon

    “Like I said in the other thread, don’t drink and post.”

    Looks like your rhetorical game has sunk to a new low.

  219. @Twodees Partain

    Yes, I must have had my head up my ass when I wrote that.

  220. @Steve Gittelson

    I must admit it was “simple” of me to make such a post. As I remarked to Tweedy, I must had had my head up my ass. Next time I’ll make better use of my review time.

  221. MarkinLA says:
    @Giuseppe

    Well the problem is that Fred doesn’t see the world through the lens of reality. One reality I have noticed since the mass invasion of Mexicans is the dumbing down of the schools. When I was a kid there were distinct dumb kids classes and smart kids classes. Nobody thought much about it when the school is 85% white. It was probably the same for the majority black schools as well. Now for politically correct reasons there are no dumb and smart classes just dumb classes.

    Not only that, but we have to find ways to get these dumb Mexicans college degrees so they can get government affirmative action do-nothing jobs.

    This is just one of the many beneficial changes that has taken place in my lifetime. I kind of want to see these types of changes end.

  222. RicoT says:
    @Steve Gittelson

    2. Living in the US as an illegal alien is a crime.

    No it isn’t. Entering improperly is a crime, though. IF I am wrong, cite to the law which supports your claim.

    enforce the law regarding fruit of the poisoned tree

    HAHAHAHAHA! More ignorance. This is a metaphor regarding the admissibility of evidence, and has nothing to do with immigration law.

    • Replies: @Steve Gittelson
  223. @RicoT

    Oh, brother. Don’t bullshit me, Rico. An illegal is an illegal is an illegal. If you wish to split hairs over the precise rule or regulation that is being broken by an illegal standing on the median of I-83 at 4:30AM on a Monday, be my guest. But don’t waste my time with your bullshit. He or she is an invading alien who must either be killed, imprisoned, or deported forthwith.

  224. wrd9 says:
    @Citizen of a Silly Country

    Yes, population genetics are determining that those peaceful and noble Native Americans/Indios genocided the prior population. Just like the Thule did to the Dorset. One could argue they did it the best way, there is no remaining population to claim victim status.

  225. @Corvinus

    “There was not a deliberate plan to shift our population calculus. You are entertaining conspiracy theories.”

    There was not a deliberate plan to shift our population calculus. You are entertaining conspiracy theories.”

    lol. I’ve seen a lot of cognitively-limited (and deliberately disingenuous) open-borders shills, but this is the first time I’m run across with enough ignorance (or chutzpah) to be a flat out Hart-Celler denialist. “They all just showed up one day! No one knows what happened! It was inevitable! Like they fell from the sky or something!”

  226. “The obvious and intelligent course regarding immigration from the south is to stop further influx and assimilate those who are not going away and, being citizens, cannot be deported. ”

    1. You know that’s vdare’s position as well, right? Either you’ve never bothered to read anything they publish, or you’re deliberately attacking a straw man here.

    2. Of course, publicly supporting even this reasonable, moderate position (one that has been consistently supported by a majority of Americans for decades) gets you attacked as an ebil naatzee rayciss xenophobe by the J-Left establishment. Even supporting significant immigration restrictions, let alone a moratorium, causes both sides of the political establishment (neocons and neolibs) to have a conniption. You’re still a “nazi” in the eyes of the establishment for supporting even this one, Fred.

    “Mr. Trump’s placing of troops along the border, if carried out, can quickly and practically accomplish the first of these”

    lol. Theater. Even W stationed more of the National Guard on the border (6000 vs. 4000)

    “as his silly wall would not.”

    Ever hear of a country called “Israel?” How many foreign infiltrators made it across the Sinai border last year, hmm? Wasn’t it somewhere between zero and… zero? Sure, they have troops stationed there, but the big difference between now and a few years ago, when thousands were crossing, is… err… some sort of… physical structure…

    And that’s just the first two sentences.

  227. “I have read in Alt-Right sites like Vdare and Breitbart News”

    Vdare is Alt Right? lol. They’re civic nationalist/ patriotic immigration reform advocates, with a tinge of race realism. But apparently it takes only the occasional hatefact to trigger Fred.

    And Breitbart? You’re not serious, are you? BB is straight-up Likud, with a thin veneer of populism/ civic nationalism.

  228. So what about Fred’s assertion that mestizos are peaceful types, with very little propensity for violent crime? Well, let’s see how they do back in their own countries. For instance, which countries have the highest homicide rates?

    Huh. Looks like something going on among those peaceful, low-crime mestizos and Indios in Central America. What do the numbers say?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

    Top 2 are El Salvador and Honduras. Good thing we don’t get anyone infiltrating the US from those countries, eh? Venezuela, Guatemala, and Belize are also in the top ten, with the remainder made up of African and Black-majority Caribbean countries. Even given the likelihood that the African stats are unreliable, thus depriving them of their full share of the credit, that’s pretty significant.

    But what about Mexico? Mexico must be pretty peaceful and law-abiding, right? Not according to those “racists” and “nazis” at that evil hive of xenophobic rednecks– NPR:

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/10/527794495/mexico-is-called-worlds-second-most-violent-country

    Well, I guess we’ll just give ‘em a copy of muh Constitution as they cross the border, and the magic dirt will take care of the rest. They’ll suddenly transform into peaceful, low-crime, orderly White Americans, right? Ya just gotta BELIEVE!

    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    , @KenH
  229. KenH says:
    @L.K

    KenH, I expected a bit more from you… I guess from some of your posts having to do with other issues…

    I guess I expected a bit more from you as well. Did you bother to look up any of your claims?
    There are no majority white nations in the top 25 for homicide rates per 100K. Russia only clocks in at #30 behind many Latino and black African nations while Uruguay comes in at #51.

    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/murder-rates-by-country.html

    Brazil is the 8th largest economy in the world & it does have a very large white population… yet, its murder rate is higher than many very poor black African countries…

    Whites in Brazil are only a plurality, not a majority. The mulatto and black population who comprise about 51% of the population commit the lion’s share of the murders just like they do in the USA.

    That you want to control your borders I totally get, but there is no need for the BS.

    Same to you. You’re trying to re-contextualize and spin data so it looks like white nations are as much or more violent than non-white or multiracial nations.

    • Agree: Rurik
  230. @James Forrestal

    Thanks for putting up that great map, James. I am a big map guy, and that is a good way to present this data.

    One wonders what is up with Bolivia, though. Not enough air to take a good breath for good shooting accuracy or just too damn poor to even afford guns or knives? Then there’s British Guyana next to, but pinker than Surinam – is that just due to Jim Jones’ Kool-Aid drinkers distorting the average? It looks like Greenland is pretty safe if you are up on the ice cap but don’t wander down to Narsarsuaq at the wrong hour, huh?

    Anyway, all joking aside, thanks for that graphic and great points in your comment #234. VDare collectively knows 3 orders of magnitude more about the immigration issue than Fred Reed.

    • Replies: @James Forrestal
  231. KenH says:
    @James Forrestal

    Well, I guess we’ll just give ‘em a copy of muh Constitution as they cross the border, and the magic dirt will take care of the rest.

    I think some central American nations already have a constitution modeled after ours but haven’t achieved the same results. Not even close. So either it’s the tragic dirt they live on or race and genetics matter also as those unspeakably wicked race realists, alt-righters and white nationalists have been saying.

  232. “Fred on Everything,” is it?

    Has anyone ever seen Fred say ANYTHING even mildly critical of Mexico or Mexicans?

    Or merely mentioning the existence of cartels?

    But never mind that, Fred’s not afraid to bad-mouth far-away gringos. Or a carburetor:
    — (http://www.unz.com/freed/in-which-embattled-manhood-rassles-a-carburetor-and-is-discomfited/ ]

  233. Patricus says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Yes Fred. I am not aware of anyone who has advocated the removal of Latins who are American citizens. Where do you find this alt right information?

    Discouraging illegal immigration is not racist. It is common sense until such time that nation states go away. We are losing 50,000 per year to drug overdoses and most of the drugs come through the Mexican border. Maybe the Mexican state will eventually suppress the cartels and we could have a more pleasant relationship with our neighbor. Don’t hold your breath.

    A wall is a practical means for defining a border. By itself it will not stop every border jumper. Personnel are also necessary. The wall can reduce the numbers of personnel needed and save money over time.

    US security is the only reason we need a federal government. Most of us like Mexicans and other Latins. The illegal migrants we get are not lifting our nation. Apparently Mexican brain surgeons and engineers prefer to stay put. It costs our bankrupt nation a fortune to cover hospitals, schools and other costs of cheap labor.

  234. Man. Once again, Fred subjects us to his incessant rant about ze poor Mexicans and the Alt right. BUILD THE WALL. KEEP FRED OUT!

  235. @Achmed E. Newman

    You’re welcome. As an aside, note how seldom you see any kind of decent map in mainstream coverage of Syria…

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