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Two questions, methinks, arise from Ferguson’s latest outburst. The first, political, is “Why does the country tolerate it?” The second, more anthropologically interesting, is “Why the eerie incapacity of underclass blacks to understand evidence, or law, or much of anything?” Of the countless explanations given for the poor performance and poor behavior of blacks in the US, one of them dares not speak its name: Low intelligence.

Yet it fits all the evidence. It explains why Africa never built cities, why it did not invent writing, why there was no African Fifth-Century Athens. It explains why Rhodesia, prosperous and an exporter of food when run by whites, fell immediately into hunger and barbarism when whites left. It explains the dysfunction of black societies from Africa to Haiti to Detroit. It explains why blacks invariably score far below whites and Asians on tests of IQ, on the SATs, GREs, on entrance and promotion exams for fire and police departments.

It explains the need for affirmative action and for departments of Black Studies in universities when black students can’t handle real courses. It explains why the gap in academic achievement never closes. It explains the criminality, the violence, the poor impulse control, the dependency on welfare, the unemployment, and the inability to integrate themselves into a high-tech society. It explains the constant scandals involving teachers in black schools giving students the answers on standardized tests.

Further, it explains why none of the programs intended to raise performance of blacks in the schools ever work. Head Start didn’t work. Integrated schools didn’t work, nor segregated schools, nor black schools with white teachers nor black schools with black teachers. Expensive laboratories and free computers didn’t work. Schools run entirely by blacks with very high per-student expenditure (Washington, DC for example) didn’t work. There is no indication that anything at all will ever work. Low intelligence is the obvious explanation. There is precious little counterevidence.

Endless evasions seek to avoid the unavoidable. Tests are biased, all tests without exception. Africa is primitive because of colonialism, or for geographic reasons, or because the natives l iked hunting and gathering. Detroit is largely illiterate because of slavery, or low self-esteem, or institutional racism, which seems to mean undetectable racism. On and on.

If the consequences didn’t affect others, it would be needless, even cruel, to mention cognitive deficits. But they do affect society, very damagingly. They result in the enstuipidation of schools to which the bright go, and cripple the high-end brains upon which the prosperity of the United States depends. They result in Fergusons.

Among people who study intelligence, the racial disparity is not debated. It is evident, accepted. I suspect that it is evident also to many thoughtful liberals who fear the question: If we admit the obvious, what now? And would they be invited to any more cocktail parties of the politically correct?

And so, if psychometrists state the truth publicly, they are shouted down and said to be racists, bigots, and “pseudo-scientists.” They are not. Rather they are highly intelligent and competent statisticians, far more aware than the public of possible sources of error. The achievements of blacks closely fit the predictions that come out of psychometrics.

These scholars are worth reading. Try Social consequences of group differences in cognitive ability, by Linda Gottfredson of the University of Delaware, long but comprehensive. Daniel Seligman is short and clear.

Unfortunately, understanding their writings (should one want to) requires some faint memory of eighth-grade algebra, such as what a curve means, and some mathematics barely beyond arithmetic. This eliminates most of those who dispute the evidence.

A glance at the data reveals that there will be a small number of very smart blacks and a larger number of fairly smart blacks. This we see. They are engineers and programmers. They appear on television as well-educated talking-heads speaking good English. To whites who never see any other blacks, this gives the impression that, since these blacks are like white people, all would be if it weren’t for discrimination. Would that it were so. It isn’t.

What are the implications?

First, we will see a continuation of hostility by blacks toward whites. This often amounts to outright hatred, as seen in the intermittent riots that never cease, and in the frequent, though carefully under-reported, racial attacks on whites. If blacks cannot rise, and it seems they cannot, they will remain angry in perpetuity. Then what?

If you believe the hostiility does not exist, or is not intense, read rap lyrics. Many examples could be adduced. Here is one:

“Niggas in the church say: kill whitey all night long … the white man is the devil … the CRIPS and Bloods are soldiers I’m recruiting with no dispute; drive-by shooting on this white genetic mutant … let’s go and kill some rednecks … Menace Clan ain’t afraid … I got the .380; the homies think I’m crazy because I shot a white baby; I said; I said; I said: kill whitey all night long … a nigga dumping on your white ass; fuck this rap shit, nigga, I’m gonna blast … I beat a white boy to the motherfucking ground….””

(“Kill Whitey”; Menace Clan, Da Hood, 1995, Rap-A-Lot Records, Noo Trybe Records, subsidiaries of what was called Thorn EMI and now is called The EMI Group, United Kingdom.)

Not encouraging.

Second, things will get—are getting—worse. First-world countries are brain-intensive. Automation eats rapidly away at the low-end jobs for which blacks are usually qualified. So do Mexicans. In a technological society, people at the bottom at some point become economically unnecessary, unemployable for anything at any wage. This happens now to blacks, and soon will to unintelligent whites. The unnecessary will need, do need, to be kept in custodial care, however disguised. The alternative is starvation.

ORDER IT NOW

Third, serious conflict is likely between blacks and Hispanics. There is no love between the two. Today when Latinos move into a neighborhood, they tend to drive blacks out. They are brighter and work harder. For the moment blacks hold the political upper-hand, but Latinos grow in number and in their proportion of voters. A train-wreck is on the way.

Fourth, the danger will grow of serious conflict between whites and blacks. I suspect that even now only heavy federal pressure and dissimulation by the media keep the cork in the bottle. Among whites a large proportion loathe affirmative action, degraded educational standards, toleration of crime, and compulsory integration.

As the economy declines and jobs become scarcer, the likelihood grows that jobless whites will rebel against racial preferences. The hidden rock in the current is that if affirmative action were eliminated, blacks would almost disappear except in sports and entertainment. There will be hell to pay, though in what currency is not clear.

What in god’s name to do?

Arguably the best we can do is to continue as now, regard affirmative action as a tax on efficiency, tolerate the racial attacks as preferable to the riots that would follow on not tolerating them, and clean up after the riots that happen anyway. Temporize, hold the lid on, and let other people worry about it later. This is certainly the course that the feds and the major media will advocate. The question is whether they can make it stick.

Another approach, conceivable but barely so, is quietly to institute segregation in the more combustible areas of society. One of these is law-enforcement. If none but black policemen worked in black regions, fewer cities would burn. The schools are another sensitive spot. If segregated schools were allowed, and blacks given more money per student than whites to avoid complaints about unequal resources, each race could teach its young, or not teach them, as it saw fit. Finally, letting people live where they like would reduce friction. These measures, though stop-gaps, might work, for a while.

The third—“solution” isn’t exactly the word, but maybe “possibility” fits—is carefully called “civil unrest” when what is meant is “race war.” Black extremists have often called for it, thoughtful blacks have worried about it, and a lot of whites think “bring it on.” (Read Black Mobs and the Coming Race War, a column by Thomas Sowell. Also The Coming Race War in America, a bookd by the (deceased) black columnist Carl Rowan.)

The big media outlets have little idea of what is going on. Their reporters live in a bubble of political correctness, policing each other stringently, and have little contact with the black underclass or with America outside the Beltway. Books (e.g. Face to Face with Race) detail the underclass, but few read them.)

Such a race “war” would be a spontaneous and simultaneous, though uncoordinated, burning of many cities. Blacks would quickly lose. Whites are much more numerous, food comes not from Safeway but from remote farms belonging to whites, welfare checks do not materialize magically in post-offfice boxes, and so on. The danger is that blacks, accustomed to intimidating whites, may push too far and find that they have made a very serious mistake.

Afterward, what? Blacks as Palestinians and whites as Israelis? The country would never recover.

(Republished from Fred on Everything by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. john says:

    Thanks for your thoughtful post. I am Chinese and just as concern about what kind of future we are going to see for my kids. The other angle is, in a democracy like ours, laws are passed based on the politically endowed. Our institutions will some day soon be twisted to suit and sooth the blacks and latinos. While some degree of wealth transfer seem inevitable, affirmative action in jobs etc will inevitably dumb down institutions of all stripes. Perverse laws and social norms become daily reality for much of the country. Looking at what unfolded in Ferguson, I can’t help but think how perverse the norms and values are for that particular community as compared to the rest of us. If we have a strong arm robber who attacked the police, this person will be condemned by the rest of the community in any none-black neighborhoods. In Ferguson, it is a cause to riot and loot. Imagine if some of these values are institutionalized in the U.S. government. If you think it can’t happen, in the fifties, gay marriage would probably feel just as perverse.

    • Replies: @FB
  2. anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    They were brought here from Africa to provide raw muscle power, not to staff universities or to form think tanks. Their descendants aren’t going to be transmogrified into a totally different species, a squirrel into a bird. Today, people pay good money to see blacks play football but would rather not have one as a doctor. Automation and other things making black workers superfluous also, as noted, works it’s way up the food chain and starts cutting into other groups as well; people who were previously in the middle will find themselves sooner or later at the end of the salami stick being sliced. In this regard and others, such as rates of single parenthood with all the children being half-siblings, blacks can be viewed as the canary in the American coal mine.

  3. Steve says:

    I’m shifting more and more toward 0ption one. Is the current situation is really so bad, compared with the likely alternatives? Affirmative Action in all its forms is very expensive, but the country is rich enough to pay for it indefinitely. Riots get a lot of attention, but they only pop up sporadically. Crime rates are declining. Obviously importing slaves was a terrible decision, but those ships have sailed, and there’s no going back now. Maybe the PC status quo is as good as it gets.

    • Replies: @Ozymandias
    , @Francis
    , @Realist
  4. Why not cull everyone below a certain I.Q. from the herd? To be fair, everyone would be forced to take the test yearly, throughout life, without exception.

    • Replies: @rod1963
    , @vin
    , @AlMiller
  5. What the country needs to prosper is a far larger percentage of “The Smartest Guys in the Room.” Where are the ethnic minority Ken Lays, Michael Millkens, Ivan Boeskies?

  6. @Steve

    “Maybe the PC status quo is as good as it gets.”

    Problem is that the status quo is an ever worsening state. We are paying the lowest classes to breed. The government has made it possible to have a low paying career in spawning new young democrats, and even pays extra to raise them in a single parent household. As long as that continues, things will steadily grow worse.

    And if there were a “race war,” it would not be about race. The elites who brought this about would suffer greatly. Not many blacks in that category.

    • Replies: @rod1963
    , @SmartAss Willie
  7. Bliss says:

    Yet it fits all the evidence. It explains why Africa never built cities, why it did not invent writing, why there was no African Fifth-Century Athens.

    Reality check time again for Fred Reed, the stubbornly hate-filled ignoramus.

    Africans were building this when your ancestors were still picking lice out each others back hair:

    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQXWzAutvOYd9pxCzkdfIBPaB4kDwpo-vU6G7Y-a6Ua8LTcS6cz

    The oldest civilization in the American Continent is the Olmec Civilization. It predates Athens. What race do these 3000 year old giant Olmec head statues look like to you:

    https://www.google.com/search?q=olmec+heads&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=598&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=PPV3VM-ENunmiQLnm4Fg&ved=0CB0QsAQ

    It explains why blacks invariably score far below whites and Asians on tests of IQ

    African-american IQ is higher than that of south asians. Higher than that of white caucasian middle-easterners. Funny how all you racist haters studiously ignore that:

    http://www.ttu.ee/public/m/mart-murdvee/EconPsy/2/Lynn_Meisenberg_2010_National_IQs_calculated_and_validated_for_108_nations.pdf

    African-americans have reached the top in more fields of endeavour than your beloved hispanic-americans. Or french americans. Or slavic americans. Or italian americans. Or southern redneck americans. Another fact that you hatemongers ignore…

    Btw, since you are dumb enough to disbelieve in evolution, why do you think God created blacks? To drive your ilk nuts?

    And assuming you are a christian, why do africans figure so prominently in the Bible while northern europeans are totally ignored?

  8. Bliss says:

    Third, serious conflict is likely between blacks and Hispanics. There is no love between the two. Today when Latinos move into a neighborhood, they tend to drive blacks out

    And that folks explains Fred Reed’s love for hispanics.

    Never mind that hispanics voted overwhelmingly for Obama. Or that latinos drive away whites as well. Or that their La Raza racial philosophy is a stark contrast to his own.

    Btw, it is ridiculous to see guys like Fred acting like they are occupying the moral high ground. The dude thinks it’s hunky dory for old white expats to camp out in the sleazy nightclubs of Thailand, where underage girls are exploited…

    • Replies: @Realist
  9. Francis says:
    @Steve

    “Affirmative Action in all its forms is very expensive, but the country is rich enough to pay for it indefinitely.”

    Yeah, the check is in the mail…

  10. rod1963 says:
    @Ozymandias

    Yep the government and the Marxist thinking Whites made it worse, much worse, starting with the Great Society program and those that followed.

    Had these programs not been implemented this discussion would not be happening. The black population would have stabilized at 1950’s levels and it would be dealt with by keeping them segregated. Instead we paid them to breed like rabbits, forced them on white communities and things have gotten worse. It’s produced a endless supply of low IQ and feral blacks who can’t think, can’t speak and can’t control themselves. We’ve spent trillions and they still prefer the ghetto and the gangsta life and murder whites for fun.

    But that’s not the worst of it. With the government, big business and Marxist whites opening our borders to every jungle dwelling central American peasant and beyond. These people are dumb as rocks and will never be integrated nor employed, they will remain a indigestible and cancerous core in this country. The politicians think they are getting voters and the business people a endless supply of cheap labor. Neither will get what they want. The social fabric is unraveling and the economy is dying. Once it seizes up and the EBT cards and SSI payments that keeps the blacks and Mexicans from a rampage, will do so on a scale not seen since Tamerlane rolled into Anatolia.

    I don’t want to see it, but probably will. But I don’t see a way out of it. The government, foolish do-gooders and money men created this monster and kicked the can down the road as far as it can. All we’re doing now is waiting for our Archduke Ferdinand moment that will set everything in motion.

    And it’s coming.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  11. rod1963 says:
    @Fran Macadam

    No need to.

    The moral hazard was created and maintained by White Leftists and the political class in search of votes and can solved removing the incentives for stupid people to breed. IOW don’t pay for more than one kid and time limit welfare and tie it to staying out of jail and being drug free. This would fix the problem in a generation or so. Also do away with Section 8 and low income apartments.

    We shouldn’t reward failure and incompetence.

    It won’t be fixed though. There is too much money to be made with the current situation not to mention political careers. So we will simply kick the can down the road until the economy seizes up and thus destroying the welfare state via a violent upheaval.

  12. Genetic research and development might conceivably lead to an easily transmitted virus, bacteria or substance that would sterilize or kill populations that possess specified characteristics. If ever such a thing were created, you might not hear about it, but someone might just decide to release it.

    There is no question which people would reach that level of sophistication first.

    After being the victims of enough rapes, assaults and robberies, those people might get sick and tired. After giving away enough free stuff only to receive blame, false accusations and reverse-racial insults, they might decide it’s better not to have to.

    After enough Ferguson’s, those people might just lose their patience.

    Agitators who really care about their people should think hard about this.

  13. The media are not some kind of ignorant dupes – they are the ones who whipped up the riots! You can be sure that if the shooting had happened in New York their reaction would have been very different.
    IQ differences are real, but that doesn’t necessitate race hatred, riots and looting – those are the product of the media narrative, aided by the likes of Obama & Holder.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
  14. Last I looked, it wasn’t just some blacks and Latinos on the dole, but all the old white Tea Partiers shouting, “Government hands off my Medicare!”

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Jon
  15. TomB says:

    Fred Reed wrote:

    Yet [low intelligence] fits all the evidence.

    No it doesn’t. There are any number of exceptions where the pathologies Reed selectively picks don’t exist, or where only some exist and not others, and even one exception to this sort of explanation would seem pretty lethal. On the other hand culture far better fits the disparate evidence.

    Why the eerie incapacity of underclass blacks to understand evidence, or law, or much of anything?

    Not only deeply plundering the hyperbole with the “much of anything,” but absolutely falsely ascribing the rest to all “underclass blacks” with what only a very very few have just recently demonstrated.

    Why does the country tolerate it?

    Maybe because the majority in the country firstly sees that it was only a very very few who demonstrated that lack of understanding of evidence and law; that that majority anyway has a different culture that only naturally glamorizes *their* non-pathologies; and that unlike Reed that majority isn’t afflicted with tunnel vision pretending that their culture and society is some spotless orb.

    If the consequences didn’t affect others, it would be needless, even cruel, to mention cognitive deficits.

    And regardless if it is either culture or intelligence it is beyond tendentious to not even mention that pathologies of whites that have consequences that affect others. And this is especially true and damning of Reed’s tunnel vision if it *is* intelligence: We have, after all, just in the last decade or so, perhaps witnessed in its rawest, most revealed state what our intellectual elites have done to us, financially and otherwise. (Such as running what Unz himself notes as the Pravda that passes for our major media.) And so much of our modern historiography ever more reveals what our intellectual elites were about in the past too. The undeniable influence of money and rabble-rousing that got us into WWI. The cosmic deceits and inclinations that got us into WWII. The razing of our industrial base and its export elsewhere. The submergence of not only our treasure but our blood into the sands of the Middle East…

    But oh, oh … Ferguson is the fulcrum of our troubles.

    things will get—are getting—worse.

    No, they are *manifestly* not getting worse, and predicting that they will without recognizing the clearly and hugely bettering trajectory since, say, Watts and the troubles in the ’60’s is intellectually irresponsible.

    None of this is to deny that the most serious problems Reed mentions—the failure of ability to understand facts or the law—does exist with some underclass blacks. (Just as it does with some underclass whites.)

    But what he ignores is not only just how very few people were actually involved in any Ferguson violence or even protest, but then the orders-of-magnitude magnifying effect of our media, with its self-interested bias towards so magnifying and then even inciting conflict and dissent.

    (And *that’s* the real tragedy here, and the tragedy of Obama. Regardless of the fact that it is in substantial part his race, he and very possibly he alone in the country had the power to take this opportunity of Ferguson to put understanding of fact and law to the forefront, to deprive the rabble-rousers of legitimacy, and, most importantly to chide the media for fact-and-law-free rabble-rousing. But while he did not avail himself of this opportunity and thus has saddled us with undiluted continued problems in this regard the truth is still nevertheless clear that race relations are far far better now than they were anywhere in past.

    And it’s also clear that by ignoring and essentially denying this one can all to easily slip from merely expressing one’s opinion into doing their bit of racial grievance mongering too.)

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    , @bomag
    , @Anonymous
    , @WhatEvvs
  16. Quercus says:

    “If you believe hostility doesn’t exist read rap lyrics ……..” Have you nothing better to do with your time, Mr Reed?

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    , @Ace
  17. Mark says:

    I’m not sure I understand the black anger against whites. I have a 120 IQ which is above average. I’m aware that there are other people who have an IQ higher than that and most of the major advances in civilization have come from people at that higher level of intelligence and not from people at my level of intelligence. I don’t feel any anger or resentment at them. Instead I feel a little lucky that they exist and that I have benefited from them being around. So why would 85 IQ blacks have anger at the higher IQ whites? Would they be better off if all the whites in the U.S. suddenly vanished? Why are they so reluctant to admit white intellectual superiority? It puzzles me a little.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
    , @WWWM
  18. things will get—are getting—worse.

    No, they are *manifestly* not getting worse, and predicting that they will without recognizing the clearly and hugely bettering trajectory since, say, Watts and the troubles in the ’60′s is intellectually irresponsible.

    In the above quote I will take “things” to mean race relations in this here country. Whether or not race relations are getting worse is a misunderstanding of the nature of race relations. Race relations might be better or worse from the perspective of a particular time and place, along a particular measure, as compared to another time and place. But the struggle between and among the races, is never gone, as long as the races in question exist.

    The blockquote above says that race relations have improved since the 60s. Even if this is so, any improvements are reflections of temporal conditions, and in no way do they alter the relationship between races, which for ever remains competitive. Races are expressions of evolution which is driven by competition.

    As long as there are resources to provide for everyone, the competition and the struggle for life might be put on the back burner. But as Ferguson makes clear, people are not happy and they want more.

    And it’s not just Ferguson. People are upset about what has become of their town. People are upset about what has become of what was once their country and they are angry and confused.

    So Ferguson gives everyone a chance to make a post and declare what side they are on.

    Some people want to say that race relations are improving (or they would be if only everyone got on board). That is the narrative of the media and the left.

    Others say that relations between the races are irreconcilable. This is a race-realist perspective that takes into account that races exist.

    Those who say that races such as the white Americans do not exist actually have a point. There is an existential fulcrum which white Americans have not tipped, and unless they do, they do not exist. Their existence is placating until it fades away.

  19. Wally says:

    Nothing will change until the incentives for black behavior are removed. We could change this behavior overnight.

    Riot & trash your neighborhoods? You repair it. There go the riots.
    Not making a real, verifiable effort to find work? No welfare.
    Strict, enforced limits on length of time on welfare.
    No welfare amounts determined by number of illegitimate children.
    No back door welfare in schools. Meals, health care, after school baby sitting, free supplies, etc. Make the parents take responsibility for the children that they chose to have.
    End racist affirmative action, the incentive for ‘victim’ status it creates, and the industry around it.
    Violent crime? Three strikes & you are out, with no welfare to your ‘dependents’.
    No prison ‘conjugal visits’ where sex is allowed.
    Robbery conviction? Jail time and restitution to the victim by the robber.
    End Section 8 housing and all housing welfare.

    Before all of this nonsense began in the 60s the black community was in much better condition, families were largely intact, education achievement was higher, there was much less illegitimate children, lower dropout rates, less violence, a stronger work ethic, on & on.

    Toss out the Marxists and their oppressive, racist anti-white big govt.

  20. unit472 says:

    I think we all know the problem goes beyond just low intelligence. We all know people who aren’t very smart but are pleasant, friendly and as honest as the day is long. There is something else going on in the black psyche besides a deficit in average intelligence. There seems to be an emotional difference between blacks and others too. An academic study noted that white women in a relationship with black men are over 12 times more likely to be killed than white on white relationships. Admittedly there maybe some self selecting factors other than race involved but still 12 times more likely to be killed is not random noise nor is it likely the result of lower intelligence.

    This emotional difference is the real problem. Were medical science to find the genetic key to denser neural connections or whatever it is that makes some people ‘smarter’ than others and endow everyone with 140 IQs would that solve the other social pathologies that afflict black communities? Smart people can be violent, dishonest and unable to engage in cooperative endeavors and it is these qualities that make black populations so difficult to deal with.

  21. Realist says:
    @Steve

    It is just this attitude by whites that allow this bullshit in the first place.

  22. Realist says:
    @Bliss

    You are very good at talking out of your ass!

  23. Hubbub says:

    That ‘Race is just a social construct’ is a social and political construct.

  24. Jim says:
    @TomB

    Sub-Saharan Africans have lagged the rest of the world since the end of the Mousterian 50,000 years ago. Psychometric data on Sub-Saharan populations give average population IQ’s ranging between 60 and 80. Afro-Caribbean populations have similar IQ’s (about 70 in Haiti, 75 in Jamaica). The cultural achievements of Sub-Saharan African cultures have been meager.

    Virtually everywhere in the world where substantial populations of Sub-Saharan African descent exist they sink to the bottom in terms of average SES.

    These populations tend to have very high crime rates. The US Virgin Islands for example if it were an independent country would rank near the top in homicide rates.

    A recent clue to the prevalence of high rates of violence among blacks has been the discovery that low repeat alleles of the MAOA gene are associated with violent behavior. The 2R allele which is the one most strongly associated with violence has a frequency of about .1% among US white males versus about 5-10% among US black males. While violent behavior like any human behavior has no doubt many causes the higher frequency of low repeat alleles of the MAOA gene in US blacks likely is an important cause of higher violence among black populations.

  25. schmenz says:

    What I find amazing in this whole Ferguson business, which I am sick to death of, is the weird response to it by the so-called Libertarians. A look at the libertarian sites like Lew Rockwell, et al shows to me that these folks have become almost unglued over this – even more so than the major media. They often point out some of the outrageous behavior of rather stupid cops who overreact and tend to do stupid even murderous things, but in this case the evidence is so clear and plain that I have no explanation for their refusal to see it. Yet they continue to fan the flames simply, I suppose, by their refusal to face the facts.

    Also interesting, at least to me, is that many otherwise trustworthy European sites (think RT, PressTV, etc.) are also on the side of the looters. Sure, Russia doesn’t mind pointing out the internal problems of the USA (understandably so, considering how they are being bullied and provoked by Washington) but to keep flogging this dead horse is astounding. And considering that they are well aware of how the US has been behind various color revolutions in their sphere of influence it is absolutely astounding that they fail to see the same forces at work fanning the flames of Ferguson.

    True, these Europeans (or well-heeled libertarians who live in nice neighborhoods) don’t live among low-class blacks and don’t experience the daily shootings, muggings, boomboxing, littering and arrogance that we peons experience. They have no idea of what it’s like to open your newspaper and see that every single day – that’s EVERY single day – reports of black crime and murder fill the pages. But even given that you would think some journalistic standard would apply and that they might be curious about the other side of the story.

    I don’t get it.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    , @Anonymous
  26. bomag [AKA "doombuggy"] says:
    @TomB

    A reasoned response, TomB, but yet it moves.

    Though Whites have their pathologies, we spend much economic and psychic energy managing the minority classes; and this “management” largely consists of giving them what they want; to little avail, except to feed the hedonic treadmill.

    Do you really think what we have going on here is a sustainable model?

  27. pyrrhus says:
    @Bliss

    African-American IQs are one standard deviation below European Americans at 85, but about one SD above average pure subSaharan Africans (70). Why? Admixtures of european blood. But you can’t maintain a civilization with an average IQ of 85.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @Jim
  28. pyrrhus says:
    @Quercus

    Much as I try, I find it impossible to avoid some exposure to rap music, which is frequent in commercials…..

  29. pyrrhus says:
    @Simon in London

    The biggest factor has been the destruction of the black family and black community due to Aid to Dependent Children (father can’t be in the house to collect benefits) and numerous other welfare programs passed in the sixties and seventies…At one time, the black illegitimacy rate was about the same as in the white community.
    Also, the outsourcing of industrial jobs, which paid well, has hammered the black community…I saw this first hand working on the south side of Chicago in the seventies…

  30. Realist says:
    @Fran Macadam

    “….but all the old white Tea Partiers shouting, “Government hands off my Medicare!””

    The whites paid into Medicare. Why is that distinction so hard for you to understand?

  31. Dave B says:

    WRONG!! WRONG!! WRONG!!
    Fred reveals not only his warped view of the world but a complete lack of common sense and his ignorance with this article, which is a shame, because he used to be so good.

    Why does everyone assume this is about race? True, cops have been shooting and beating up blacks from day one but they have not hesitated to attack white people recently, especially behind closed doors. They know they can get away with it easier with minorities and once people are used to that they attack protesters and eventually anyone they feel like. Just like the famous poem by the German pastor:

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    Why would anyone think that a prosecutor would work to indict a cop? It hardly ever happens and for a good reason – prosecutors have a vested interest in pleasing cops, and anyone who went after a cop would find himself with a greatly reduced prosecutorial success rate. Plus they are on the same side, they have the same mindset, we are the government, you are citizens and have no rights. Prosecutors are just as bad as cops when it comes to lying to make themselves look good. There are occasional exceptions – an Hispanic cop who killed a 95 year old white WW2 veteran in a nursing home was just indicted up here in Chicago, but the case was such as obvious case of police wrongdoing and the victim was so sympathetic that they didn’t have much choice.

    Indeed, the prosecutor in the Wilson case went out of his way to make sure that the grand jury would not vote a true bill – he even had Wilson testify! Please, the bar for grand jury indictments is very low – all the prosecutor needs to show is that the would-be defendant may have committed a crime. Guilt or innocence is up to the trial. The fact that Brown was unarmed and shot six times is more than enough to indict. Do you really think that this prosecutor would allow defense evidence to be presented to a grand jury if the accused was a man arrested for possession of cocaine, or any other crime?

    White Americans have allowed themselves to be turned into a bunch of pansies – no one has the balls to question the almighty State. People who complain about the government are a dime a dozen – everyone seems to hate politicians – but then they turn around and worship the expression of their power, the cops and the military. The fools who voluntarily join the military are made into heroes for illegally invading other countries and killing people at the behest of the government and the corporations who profit from war. And of course, many of them come home, inured to violence in their time in Afghanistan or Iraq and join local police forces, where they get to wreck havoc on the local population. The police are an occupying army in our country.

    The blacks who riot and loot are not doing a good thing – it would be more appropriate if they attacked the cops directly, but white Americans who say that rioting and looting do no good – who are they kidding, that is the only thing that has ever done any good. Violence and the threat of violence are the only things that people in power understand. Even FDR didn’t do anything notable until pressure from the left, from radical labor organizations and people like Huey Long, forced him to save capitalism from itself and create the New Deal. (Conservatives who criticize FDR seem to forget that if he had not done what he did the US would have been like every other country and undergone a significant communist/socialist movement.)

    I am white and middle class and have never gotten in any trouble other than a few traffic tickets and I learned long ago that the police are just a form of criminal enterprise with the force of the government behind them. Bullies in uniforms at best. What is so difficult about that to understand?

    • Replies: @Dutch Boy
    , @bomag
    , @Sane
  32. anon • Disclaimer says:

    I agree.
    3 policy suggestions.
    No more illegal immigration. Let Fred’s beloved hispanics work in mexico and leave the unskilled labor to Americans.
    No more racial preferences, hiring or otherwise. Hurts everyone. No more forcing low income housing into the suburbs. You want to live there, pay the going rate.
    Welfare reform. The latter 2 will help all people to learn self suffiency. Of course leave a safety net so no one starves.
    A 4th. Conservative economic policy to grow the economy and the job market.
    Defacto voluntary desegregation will attenuate the racial tensions. I’ll never live in a place like Atlanta.

  33. Art says:

    Clearly this is a case of premeditated murder. Wilson said on TV, that he asked himself, “could he kill Brown legally?”

    The answer was yes. So he did it. He made NO effort to avoid it.

    While the boy had his head down (wounded, with five bullets in him) – Wilson capped him – he shot Brown in the top of the head – he willfully did the kill.

    End of story.

    • Replies: @TWS
    , @Anonymous
  34. peterike says:

    While the boy had his head down (wounded, with five bullets in him) – Wilson capped him – he shot Brown in the top of the head – he willfully did the kill. End of story.

    In legitimate self-defense. Dummy.

    • Replies: @Art
  35. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    White men are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action ever.

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @TWS
  36. Dutch Boy says:

    We could improve the lot of everyone (and presumably their attitudes) by re-Americanizing our economy. The white and black working classes would benefit and the financial elite would take a hit if they had to pay American workers and not Chinese coolies.

  37. Dutch Boy says:
    @Dave B

    I agree with most of the points you made but the evidence in this case seems to point to a justifiable homicide. There are many, many more egregious cases of the use of deadly force by the police but I suspect this particular one was chosen to mobilize black voters for the midterm elections.

    • Replies: @Cato
  38. Art says:
    @peterike

    In legitimate self-defense. Dummy.

    At that point Brown clearly did not have a gun. If he had a weapon he would have used it long before. Just because the law may allow some action – it still has to pass a test of right or wrong, some test of morality. The law says that Wilson had a CHOICE to kill – if he was in imminent danger of losing his life.

    At that point Brown’s head was down and he was clearly wounded. Did Wilson ever step back – NO – he aggressively went for the kill!

    • Replies: @anon
    , @Jon
  39. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Yeh well I think you prejudiss!!

  40. TomB says:

    In response to my post and its assertion that Fred Reed is wrong and race relations have gotten better over the past decades “Suburan_elk” wrote:

    In the above quote I will take “things” to mean race relations in this here country. Whether or not race relations are getting worse is a misunderstanding of the nature of race relations. Race relations might be better or worse from the perspective of a particular time and place, along a particular measure, as compared to another time and place. But the struggle between and among the races, is never gone, as long as the races in question exist.

    A.) It’s hardly a misunderstanding when what I said perfectly fits what you yourself admit can be said “from the perspective of a particular time and place.”

    B.) To whatever … metaphysical extent you mean that one can never say race relations never really get better (with me not understanding the metaphysic), then Reed is equally wrong in saying they’ve really gotten worse.

    And “Jim” wrote:

    These black/low I.Q. populations tend to have very high crime rates.

    But it’s interesting, Jim, how you “I.Q. believers” (in I.Q. so determining criminal behavior that is) still will never quite go full bore positing that. Positing that a gene or allele or etc. is “responsible” for “crime,” generally stated.

    Why? Because, I think, you recognize that what is considered a crime depends on culture, not I.Q. Nor any inscriptions on the bottom of some rock left by God.

    So, for example, in many cultures—especially in Africa and South America, and of course cultures that prevail in small communities/villages—certain men (the most fit, the best) will periodically go hunting, and the rest of the men and the women will spend their time gathering and growing and etc. And the biggest “crime” their culture would recognize would be to not share their respective products. Indeed in small very-mixed race Alaskan villages even today I think it would be considered close to a crime for the fit hunters to not do much sharing of their bag with the related elders at the very least. And in other cultures a crime would perhaps be for a man to not “share” his wife in certain circumstances and on and on.

    And thus *at best* I think one might say that I.Q. may play a role in making a certain person more or less able to comply with *certain* laws, *especially* those created by cultures foreign to their genetic intellectual history.

    And that’s saying a helluva lot, with lots of potential consequences you then would almost certainly quail from. (Such as the observation that under lots of our laws if it indeed can be shown that a alleged criminal lacked the control to conform their behavior to the law, that no law will be held to be broken. I.e., yet another reason you I.Q. guys are smart to stay away from any “I.Q.=criminality” equivalence.)

    Clearly, what are crimes and what are not are culturally determined and it’s impossible to imagine genes or alleles or whatever determining to anywhere near an absolute degree the ability to conform to such variable standards generally.

    And “doombuggy” wrote:

    Do you really think what we have going on here is a sustainable model?

    In one big sense and in one big degree yes, actually I do think so doombuggy. Consider that it’s really only been a four-some decades since the explosion of the Sixties, and consider further that I think in that time black America did come to the point of essentially choosing integration rather than separation, with that take a decade or two alone. So that in the remaining few decades what have we seen but far less racial division, more and more black Americans entering the middle-class and upper-middle class even, and etc. and so forth. And flip the “unemployed black” numbers around and you’ll *still* see that the vast majority of working age blacks *are* indeed employed.

    Or, to put it another way, gradually, over just the last few decades, what we have seen is the increasing marginalization of the seriously radical racial ideas that we saw before, such as seeing some actual revolution in America, or seeing some chronic racial/civil/guerilla war(s), and ever more acceptance of the idea that integration is the only real image on the horizon.

    What I have essentially noted otherwise though is indeed the sustainability of at least a serious background field of racial division and rancor so long as rabble-rousers are left unmarginalized to work their (self-interested) incitements, and that’s why I think Obama just missed a historic opportunity to so further marginalize *this* force, which amounts to more than just a misfortune but indeed a tragedy given his unique position I think to have done so.

    And I’d also agree that the situation we have—of this slow but steady integration—will not only prove unsustainable but is almost guaranteed to explode if our intellectual elites (both political and economic) succeed in their immigration plans wiping out the jobs and earnings potentials of low-skill jobs. Displace those in our black communities who hold those jobs, who use those jobs to at least live a respectable life or as a stepping-stone to a better one and … all bets are off I think.

    Or perhaps even stronger, get rid of the easy ability to get those jobs, and flood the job market for such jobs to the point where their wages stagnate, and you may well be guaranteeing a halt to the gradual integration of blacks into mainstream society that we’ve been happily seeing for the last half-century or so. Where, that is, are they to go if you disappear their jobs? What are they supposed to do?

    And this is why all this veneration of I.Q. is sort of ironic if not positively laughable here, because who is pushing this immigration that seems almost certain to result in terrible racial division amongst us but precisely our intellectual elites.

    You know, the ones oh so celebrated here who just got done screwing the hell out of us with their insider trading and fraudulent behavior and bailouts and quantitative easings and on and on and on.

    It’s *character* that matters, just as Martin Luther King, Jr. said. Not race, not I.Q. And while it can seem slow given our short life-spans, we have made tremendous forward strides in recognizing this. In ever more people both white *and* black in recognizing this. And that’s the ball we ought not let our eye be distracted from.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
  41. bomag [AKA "doombuggy"] says:
    @Dave B

    Bullies in costumes at best.

    Fixed that for you.

    I can’t disagree with what you said, but we have two different issues here. On issue is police misconduct. The other, separate issue, is Black dysgenics.

  42. @Ozymandias

    “And if there were a “race war,” it would not be about race. The elites who brought this about would suffer greatly. Not many blacks in that category.”

    Absolutely correct. The real problem is and has been white liberals. Blacks are nothing more than pawns in their strategy. And really, the welfare of the black underclass matters not to these people. Good news is they all abhor weapons…

  43. anon • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    Yeah and OJ was innocent.

  44. TomB says:

    Dave B wrote:

    Why would anyone think that a prosecutor would work to indict a cop? It hardly ever happens and for a good reason – prosecutors have a vested interest in pleasing cops

    No, there is no such vested interest because the vested interest is for police forces and prosecutors and municipalities to get rid of clearly problematic cops before they result in bad publicity, bad votes and lawsuits. And the idea that prosecutors feel subordinate to the police is beyond laughable.

    AND

    Indeed, the prosecutor in the Wilson case went out of his way to make sure that the grand jury would not vote a true bill – he even had Wilson testify!

    Because of the nature of Missouri self-defense law it would have been just about the grossest misbehavior imaginable for the prosecutors here to have not had the Grand Jury fully advised of Wilson’s claim of self-defense and its details. (And to have tried to do so without calling Wilson would have been grossly *favorable* to Wilson because he would then have not been subject to any cross-examination, as he was.)

    In brief and again, that’s because under Missouri law once someone colorably raises a self-defense claim—which Wilson immediately did after the shooting, with supporting, detailed alleged explanation, buttressed by physical evidence and the testimony of others—the burden of disproving that claim *beyond a reasonable doubt* is immediately placed upon a prosecutor because disproving same beyond a reasonable doubt is made into a *central* element necessary for a conviction.

    No different than, say, the necessity in the crime of murder to prove that someone was in fact killed.

    Thus, for the prosecutors to have done what Dave B essentially says they should have done would amount to nothing less than getting an indictment for a crime by misrepresenting the legal elements of that crime.

    Dave B knoweth not whereof he speaks.

  45. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    Look, black people are cool. You folks (I’m lookin’ at you, Norman Mailer, you too Dennis Miller, that was your shtick in 1995)) told us so starting around the time Casey Stengel left the Yankees. And you kept telling us so all through the ’60s and ’70s, so when we didn’t end up with that nice house on the ridge in the leafy suburb, it could’na been about any failing in us, ’cause we’re cool, see? If you hadn’t told us we’re cool, then maybe we’d look at ourselves, but as it is, it’s your own fault.

  46. Bliss says:
    @pyrrhus

    Why? Admixtures of european blood. But you can’t maintain a civilization with an average IQ of 85.

    Typically irrational and ignorant IQ fundamentalist:

    http://www.ttu.ee/public/m/mart-murdvee/EconPsy/2/Lynn_Meisenberg_2010_National_IQs_calculated_and_validated_for_108_nations.pdf

    Syria: IQ 79
    Saudi Arabia: IQ 80
    Lebanon: 82
    India: IQ 82
    Egypt : 83
    Iran: 84

    All these people were civilized millenia before northern europeans. Let’s see you wrap your puny mind around that.

    Btw, the numerous nations of eastern europe (with around half the population of Europe) have IQ ranging from the low 90s to the mid 90s, a full standard deviation and more below the east asian IQ. Ditto for Israel. Western europe is half a SD below east asia. If IQ is destiny the future belongs to East Asia, not you delusional nordicist megalomaniacs.

  47. @Buzz Mohawk

    No black has ever gotten a doctorate in molecular biology, molecular epidemiology or genetic epidemiology, at least in the United States. Plenty of whites and Asians have.

    • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
  48. TWS says:
    @Bliss

    Once again you display utter ignorance and squid ink. Why in the world would it matter if ‘Caucasians in the Middle East have lower IQ’s than American Blacks? The Caucasians in the Middle East don’t live here in any significant numbers nor do the particular South Asians you are referencing. Why should any American care what their IQs are as long as we do not import more?

    On the other hand we do have to live with American Blacks, they are a part of our society and must be humanely and effectively governed and integrated. Squid ink like yours and irrelevance of citing the IQs of non-citizens we do not live with will never achieve that goal.

    The pièce de résistance that you believe that any significant fraction of the African American ancestors designed or built the pyramids shows that you are beyond stupid and simply delusional. Pure, simple delusion.

    Reality Check? Your writings are so far from the real world that whatever world you must inhabit must be pure fantasy.

  49. Bliss says:
    @Anonymous

    White men are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action ever.

    Exactly. But not just generic white men. There is hierarchy within europeans. Recall that to Hitler and the nazis most whites from eastern europe were untermenschen (subhumans) who deserved to be brutalized and enslaved by nordic “aryans”. Hitler learned much of his nutty nordicism from american race “realists” like Madison Grant, whose influential book The Passing of the Great Race he called his Bible.

    Nordicism was official policy in the US. The explicit intent of the Immigration Act of 1924 was to restrict the entry of “inferior” europeans: jews, italians, greeks, poles, russians etc. All the land taken from the native americans was handed out to brits, germans, scandinavians et al. African-americans were promised 40 acres and a mule each as compensation for generations of being exploited as slave labor. Instead they got Jim Crow.

  50. Libertarians are just liberals who don’t want to pay taxes and want legal drugs and whores. That’s why “Lew Rockwell” is so “weird” when it comes to things like Ferguson.

    The Left and the Liberal MSM love Libertarians because they know they are the “Straw-man opposition “

    • Replies: @Dutch Boy
  51. TWS says:
    @Art

    You can have your fantasy and opinion but not your own facts. His head was down because as witnesses reported, “The big guy was charging him like a football player”.

    Browns level of THC in his blood was sufficient to cause hallucinations much less self destructive and dangerous behavior. Three autopsies, a GJ, and a Federal civil rights violation investigation and not one shred of evidence that there was any wrong doing on the Officer’s part. Certainly the federal investigations were looking for any shred of evidence that Brown’s rights were violated or that the officer committed some wrong.

    On the other hand we have sworn testimony, three autopsies, video of Brown committing a felony assault and robbery minutes before he assaulted the officer and you still believe the self-impeached version of the story that Brown’s felony accomplice lied about?

    Brown was big, strong, on drugs and attacking someone he had already tried to take a gun from. But you choose to believe the people who committed arson, robbery, assault, and witness intimidation in Brown’s name. Good job.

    • Replies: @Art
  52. TWS says:
    @Anonymous

    AA was designed to benefit the general population of America by integrating blacks more closely with the American mainstream. It was designed thus to benefit all Americans. It benefited no one. It took trillions of dollars that could have been spent or saved or used to lower taxes and created monstrous programs that benefit no one save the federal government.

    How in the world that translates to white men being the biggest beneficiaries of a program that limits their education and job options is beyond my comprehension.

  53. @TomB

    It serves the interest of the race pimps to put the focus on race and, yes, on IQ. Deemphasizing culture means ignoring the true root of the failures.

    • Replies: @Jim
  54. Bliss says:

    Reality Check time, aka hoisting the hate-filled IQ fundoo by his own petard:

    http://www.ttu.ee/public/m/mart-murdvee/EconPsy/2/Lynn_Meisenberg_2010_National_IQs_calculated_and_validated_for_108_nations.pdf

    Serbia and Montenegro: IQ 89
    Lithuania: IQ 91
    Macedonia: IQ 91
    Romania: IQ 91
    Cyprus: IQ 91
    Greece: IQ 92
    Ireland: IQ 92

    Note how the IQ of these european nations is close to two SDs below that of Singapore (IQ 108)?

    It is worth noting here that Singapore is not homogeneously east asian. 74% of Singaporeans are Chinese (mostly south chinese), 13.4% are Malay, 9% are from India (mostly south India) and 3.2% are mixed race.

    Chew on that a bit HBDers and then tell us if it deflates your megalomania or not. If not, why not?

    • Replies: @Jim
    , @Jim Sweeney
    , @WWWM
  55. Dutch Boy says:
    @Honesthughgrant

    Libertarianism is also a corrupting influence on the Republican Party and prevents them from sweeping the votes of the white working class.

  56. There will never be progress until blacks are compelled to face their reality.

    Right now they are able to constantly deflect any kind of responsibility. If a problem is pervasive and supremely destructive in many black communities, the majority of blacks are somehow able to completely shirk any level of concern and responsibility, just by pointing out that someone in Poland did something in 1728 ( just an analogy- the actual date isn’t important).

    Take for example the current rioting happening in my own neighborhood. This area is in chaos. Not to mention the dozens of lesser acts of ethnic hostility.

    These rioters are intense in scope, for those of us who live here. People in my social circles are buying guns- that is not everyday behavior for Asians.

    But the entire ordeal can be easily explained away by most blacks because there was some riot by white rednecks in West Virginia due to pumpkins or something (it’s drivel so I tend to fade out). The difference in scale doesn’t matter. The fact that a car was torched instead of over a dozen businesses isn’t relevant. The fact that these riots are an expression if racial hostility doesn’t matter. All the incidental acts of racial violence don’t matter. Neither does the fact that an entire community of utterly dysfunctional people attempted to hold the legal system hostage to get their way, and that they are completely bereft of any understanding of the concept of rule of law.

    We will never get anywhere as long as blacks engage in this kind of disingenuous deflection. We Asians have many faults, but we do take critical looks at ourselves every now and then. We aren’t narcissists who think we can do no wrong and that all of our problems are the fault of others.

    @TomB,

    It’s clear that you’re very intelligent, and that your perspective is nobly optimistic. But to me it seems like we are living in a totally different country. Have you ever seen a muddle age Chinese woman loading a pistol? It’s unnerving- and only happens when people are VERY afraid. So far this area has been spared. I hope that that continues, and I hope that the protestors themselves come to their senses, as despite arguments on here, I hate violence and seeing anyone get hurt.

    I somewhat agree with your critique of I.q. As a be-all-end-all cause. While I do think it’s relevant, there’s much more going on. But where we disagree is that I think there may be going on biologically. Of course I’m in business, this certainly am
    no geneticist, but it’s hard to divorce my own instincts and experiences from the issue.

    For example, I do believe that Asians are different from whites and blacks. There are plenty of blacks with a high I.q., and obviously the differences between whites and Asians there are not large. But if you take me and my non-Asian friends, who are very similar intellectually, we react to the world very differently, and I don’t think all of it is culturally-driven.

    I am mystified by whites more than blacks in reality. I hope no one gets offended, but the ” rugged individualism” whites value seems more like atomization and loneliness to me. I’d MUCH rather give up some freedoms to be part of a group. I don’t see it as having a ”
    Hive mind,” but as being warm inside. I know that sounds silly but I think we Asians are born collectivists( I know many here won’t like that, but that’s how it is in my opinion.) For example there was a study done in which infants had their noses covered with a wet cloth. White and black babies assertively resisted, whereas Asian and Native American infants started breathing through their mouths. I believe that we’re designed to be less assertive, but more internally harmonious. Less creative and innovative, but more easily skilled at understanding systems. Naturally all of that varies by individual, but you get my point. I think there is more genetic influence besides I.q.

    I wonder if Christianity caused whites to develop a certain way. No
    Offense to anyone, but whites seem
    Less inclined to discern between pro-social and anti-social People and ideas. Why whites are overly concerned with people like prisoners, criminals, etc. who add nothing I will never understand. They are lost causes. With this Michael Brown thing, we have video proof the guy was a miscreant and lawbreaker. I don’t understand why anyone cares so
    much that he was killed. Really I don’t have a problem
    With cops shooting people for a lot of reasons, especially trying to get their guns. For whites it seemed to
    Matter whether of not brown was charging. I wouldn’t care if he was surrendering- he robbed a store, bullied an elder, then tried to take a cop’s gun. Who cares what happens to him? Again, I won’t understand whites ( no offense).

    • Replies: @Bliss
    , @WhatEvvs
  57. -“middle”
    Not ” muddle.”

  58. Bliss says:

    Fred neglects to include the scenario he wrote about in just his preceding blog post: The Turner Diaries solution. Violent uprising against the government culminating in the victorious peasants with pitchforks hanging their enemies from lamp posts. I am guessing that is probably his most yearned for outcome. After all in his demented, paranoid mind it is not just blacks who are the mortal enemies. There are also all those white feminists, anti-racists, homos, do-gooders, social justice warriors, evolutionists et al who have taken over the gummint.

  59. FB says:
    @john

    There is no such thing as race my friend. Black, chinese, middle eastern, Italians, orientals we all share the same genes – we are human beings in a world gone mad; as in crazy. Its’ diabolical how crazy it has gotten as those in power know the best way to rule is divide and conquer. Am not going to waste my time proving intelligence of blacks who have equal access to education etc will hold their own against all other humans. But, you are missing the most important part of the Ferguson case; the tampering of the grand jury by the prosecutor. Among other things the police officer was afforded the opportunity to present his side of the story with no cross examination, that as I said, is just one of many irregularities. But, the most egregious incident; six bullets were fired and all six found their mark – 2 bullets to the head – thats a lot of bullets don’t you think? How many people’s forward motion would not be stopped by 4 bullets? Lets say, for arguments sake, the first 4 did not stop him, the fifth to the head killed him. Why the 6th bullet? Adrenalin? Sure, that must of been it. Would like to end with a few quotes by James Baldwin, an African American writer best known for his classic novel, “Go Tell It To The Mountain. ” A man of letter forced to leave America for Paris ; To be a Negro in this country (America) and to be relatively conscious is to be in a rage almost all the time. And the second quote that suits this situation to a T- “The paradox of education is precisely this- that as one begins to become conscious one begins to examine the society in which he is being educated.” Michael Brown was on his way to college before his life was taken from him and one can be relatively certain that his family will win the civil case. And finally two more Baldwin quotes, “The most Dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing to lose.” And the final quote highlights the absurdity of this post and your taking sides with it; “Children have never been very good at listening to their elders, but they have never failed to imitate them.”

    • Replies: @Jim
    , @Stealth
    , @Beach
    , @john
    , @john
  60. Bliss says:
    @St. Louis Asian

    Learn some history, simpleton.

    It was racist whites not blacks who burned down chinatowns, lynched chinese, forced them out, and passed laws blocking asian immigration.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/11/american-chinatowns-history_n_6090692.html

    In Rock Springs, Wyoming, 150 armed white miners drove Chinese immigrants out of town in 1885 by setting fire to their homes and businesses and murdering 28 people. No one was charged in the massacre. It was hardly an isolated incident; 153 anti-Chinese riots erupted throughout the American West in the 1870s and 1880s, with some of the worst episodes of violence in Denver, Los Angeles, Seattle and Tacoma, Washington.

    And it was the white dutch and brown malays, not black africans, who massacred thousands of chinese in Indonesia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_Chinese_Indonesians

    Discrimination and violence against people of Chinese descent in Indonesia has been recorded since at least 1740, when the Dutch Colonial Government killed up to 10,000 people of Chinese descent during the Chinezenmoord. In the period since then, discrimination and violence have been recorded both foreign and Indonesian governments. The worst outbreaks took place in 1998, when thousands of Chinese were killed and dozens more raped during the May 1998 riots.

    • Replies: @Jim
  61. @schmenz

    The Lew Rockwell bunch has been like this for some time. Brain-dead stupid and hypocritical.

  62. Unfortunately, most slaves came from these (or what would become these) countries:

    Zimbabwe: IQ 66
    Republic of the Congo: IQ 65
    Cameroon: IQ 64
    Central African Republic: IQ 64
    Democratic Republic of the Congo: IQ 64
    Ethiopia: IQ 64
    Gabon: IQ 64
    Mozambique: IQ 64
    Sierra Leone: IQ 64
    Saint Lucia: IQ 62
    Equatorial Guinea: IQ 59

  63. Art says:
    @TWS

    video of Brown committing a felony assault and robbery minutes before he assaulted the officer

    For this, he was killed – some cigars and a brief non-weapon assault?

    In the last seconds Wilson asked himself if he had a legal kill – his answer was yes – then he did it.

    Brown had no weapon – Brown had five bullets in him – Wilson had the whole world to retreat too – he had backup on the way – he was NOT in imminent danger – but Wilson chose to shot to kill.

    Those are the unvarnished facts.

    • Replies: @TWS
    , @Anonymous
  64. @Bliss

    Name an African country that designed and manufactured an aircraft, automobile, or ship in the 20th Century.

  65. FB says:

    Wilson fired 12 bullets six hit Brown and “According to an autopsy, Michael Brown was shot six times: four times in the right arm and twice in the head. One of the head shots blasted his right eye, rattled through his head, then came out through his jaw to penetrate his collar bone; another penetrated his head from above, which could indicate an “execution style” for the killing attributed to Wilson. – See more at: http://newsjunkiepost.com/2014/08/18/the-us-war-culture-has-come-home-to-roost/#sthash.4MsUdecl.dpuf

  66. Jim says:
    @Bliss

    Note that despite the violence directed against the overseas Chinese they totally dominate the economies of Southeast Asia performing way ahead of the native populations. Despite the violence and discrimination against Chinese in the US in the past today they out earn whites and have higher professional attainment.

    In Jamaica a few thousand abysmally poor Chinese were imported as indentured workers in the sugarcane plantations in the late 19th century. They also suffered from violence directed at them and discriminatory laws. Nevertheless By the time of the anti-Chinese riots about 1960 the Jamaican Chinese controlled over 90% of the retail business establishments in Jamaica. Their economic and educational performance was superior to that of the Jamaican whites and way ahead of that of the Jamaican blacks.

    • Replies: @map
  67. TomB says:

    In response to my post(s) St. Louis Asian wrote:

    to me it seems like we are living in a totally different country.

    Hi St. Louis:

    Yeah, I’m aware that given what I’ve focused on in these posts can make me seem Pollyannish and ignorant of the reality on the streets. But the way I felt I was focusing on same was at the … intellectual level of what keeps that ugly reality going. Such as, and again, the terrible missed opportunity for Mr. Obama to re-align the bounds of the discussion via indeed aligning perceptions with reality, as Fred Reed so rightly notes is lacking.

    Such as noting that no, just because you are “unarmed” don’t mean someone can’t shoot you if you are threatening them. Including police officers. Period. And that just because one person says they saw or heard something (“he was on his knees saying don’t shoot!”) doesn’t mean you ignore what others say and what the physical evidence says.

    And, even more and better, to have said to the poor black communities that while it’s entirely correct to mourn the death of any young man, to still not make a Michael Brown into any kind of hero. Not working, banking on trying to become a “rap” star, waking up in the morning immediately getting high, casually shop-lifting and then even worse strong-arming, swaggering down the middle of the road and then even getting into it physically with a cop … what a refreshing great thing if Obama had just flatly noted same and that many of these things are damaging most of all to their own communities. And just utterly taking the air out of those commentators and media people and etc. supporting the “Brown as hero” idea.

    And I said and say this because I think it is just about the *only* thing that has a chance of working anything other than the terribly slow “normal” marginalizing improvement that goes on in that horrible situation on the streets which I indeed know is terrible. In fact I have previously written here that because I know that the “street crime” situation is so terrible we ought to be indicting our politicians for not paying more and harsher attention to it to just increase the *normal* marginalization pressure upon it to stop.

    So in any event no; I am absolutely with you on this, and in fact worry that without Obama marginalizing this Brown business the lesson the police and politicians are going to take is that instead of cracking down on Mr. Brown’s type of behavior they have to ever more ignore same, and consequently let the chronic rolling riot situation in our inner cities become even worse.

    In lieu of this though it appears that more deluded blacks like Mr. Brown and Trayvon Martin are going to have to be shot until the lesson is learned the harder way about engaging in their kind of behavior, and while I’d prefer it the other way, if that’s the way it has to be so be it. I have no sympathy for Mr. Brown, nor his deluded mother, nor Trayvon Martin or his deluded parents either. Their communities want to celebrate them despite being victimized by them, fine, but not in mine.

    In mine, I’m hoping that that middle-aged Chinese woman understands she can take the cost of that gun off her taxes as a necessary business expense, and that real “gun control” means using both hands.

    • Replies: @Stealth
  68. Stealth says:

    There is no such thing as race my friend.

    There’s plenty of room for disagreement about all things racial, but nobody believes that bullshit anymore, and people should stop repeating it. The claim that race does not exist is based on the strawman argument that race is synonymous with subspecies.

    Non-whites and liberals certainly believe in the existence of race. They only pretend otherwise when they’re disingenuously dealing with white people.

  69. Jim says:
    @FB

    There has been significant introgression of non-sapient species into the human genome. The amounts of this introgression and the species they came from vary widely between the races. Europeans average about 2.7% Neanderthal. The population of New Guinea is estimated to be genetically about 8% non-sapient predominantly from Denisovans. There is evidence in African genetics of significant introgression from yet another non-sapient species.

  70. Jim says:
    @Bliss

    108-89 = 19. A standard deviation of IQ scores is 15 points so the maximum difference between the scores of East European countries and Singapore is less than 1.3 standard deviations not close to 2 standard deviations.

    The psychometric data show clearly that East Asian ( not Southeast Asian populations ) have the highest average IQ’s of large populations. (Ashkenazi Jews have average IQ’s about 110-115 but they are not a large population.)

    • Replies: @Bliss
  71. Jim says:
    @Hare Krishna

    Culture is an epi-phenomenon.

    • Replies: @Hare Krishna
  72. Stealth says:
    @FB

    How many people’s forward motion would not be stopped by 4 bullets?

    Lots of them. Service caliber pistol bullets don’t have “knock down power,” as many seem to believe. They possess only a fraction of the energy of high powered rifle bullets, and unless you’re hit somewhere in the central nervous system, you’re not going to just drop dead from being shot by a policeman. It takes a few moments to bleed out when one has sustained a mortal wound from being shot with a service pistol. And, ff nothing vital is hit, you live. Many people have been shot multiple times and lived to tell the tale. A determined foe can keep coming; it’s happened many times before.

    During the Miami shootout of 1986, Michael Platt was shot 12 times.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_FBI_Miami_shootout
    http://miamiarchives.blogspot.com/2010/04/fbi-shootout-april-11-1986.html

  73. Jim Sweeney says: • Website
    @Bliss

    I thought an SD in IQ would be about 15 points. If so, your math IQ is a bit short as adding 15 points to these scores would bring them to 106-107, i.e., adjacent to the Singaporan IQ of 108. Serbia/Montenegro are further away but closer to one than two SDs I believe.

    Back to the abacus with you.

  74. Jim says:
    @pyrrhus

    Lynn estimates that the 15 point difference between average IQ in Sub-Saharan Africa and US blacks is about 10 points better environment and 5 points white admixture.

  75. Seer says:

    @Bliss

    You are seriously stupid if you think that HBDers are anti-evolution. Evolution aka natural selection is THE cornerstone if their theories about race and IQ . Also, posting links about what Egyptians or Olmecs achieved thousands of years ago isn’t relevant, as HBDers would simply respond that five thousand years is long enough for dysgenic population trends to reduce the collective IQ I of a given ethnic group. You are ranting about something you don’t even bother to understand.

  76. Seer says:

    @Jim

    She doesn’t understand HBD; she thinks that HBDers are “anti-evolution.” LOL!!!

  77. @TomB

    It seems to me that race relations are becoming more, not less, fractious.

    My point was not that race relations do not get better or worse as measured over the course of some decades or even lifespans. It was simply that, over the long term, when races are in competition, one is going to win and one is going to lose. Also perhaps both can lose. I don’t see how it is possible for both to win.

    ************

    As to the general question in the original post from Mr Reed, on the problem of race relations in America, and for that matter anywhere, but particularly here.

    I would like to see white Americans assert themselves by explicitly representing their own interests. First they have to figure out who they are.

    Questions of who is better or who is smarter are not the point. White Americans are the best at being white Americans. Blacks are better at being black. And so on. If we really have to share a country and living space and resources (and women? ha), and for time being we do, as for a practical course of action white people should figure out who they are and then prosecute their case.

    Who are white Americans. Who are their heroes what are their goals and what is their purpose. Until they answers these questions they will be unable to do much good.

    • Replies: @map
  78. Jim says:
    @Bliss

    Regarding your assertion that Olmec Civilization predates Athens –

    The earliest stages of Olmec Civilization date from about 1500 BC. The site of the city of Athens has been continuously inhabited for 7,000 years. By 1400 BC Athens was one of the leading Mycenaean cities. Since the name “Athens” is not Indo-European the city goes back to before the coming of Indo-Europeans.

    As for the hypothesis that there is a connection between Olmec Civilization and Africa the results of modern genetic studies totally fail to support any such connection. There is also no linguistic or cultural evidence of such a connection.

    • Replies: @dcite
  79. Stealth says:
    @TomB

    In lieu of this though it appears that more deluded blacks like Mr. Brown and Trayvon Martin are going to have to be shot until the lesson is learned the harder way about engaging in their kind of behavior, and while I’d prefer it the other way, if that’s the way it has to be so be it.

    I would prefer that the cops proceed with a little more mercy (I despise the police, by the way), but I cannot deny that black street violence is the principal factor that has caused the police to become the monsters they currently are. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluding himself. Even if you want to be uncharitable to the police (and I usually do), you can at least admit that it gives them an excuse.

    I defend Darren Wilson not because I always take the side of whites or the cops, but because in this particular case, the police officer acted in self-defense against an out of control assailant. I agree that police brutality is a major problem for our society, but nothing will be done about it; conservative whites are cop lovers, and the left refuses to see the issue as anything other than racial. Plus, the elites like having paramilitary police around.

  80. @Major Problem

    “No black has ever gotten a doctorate in molecular biology, molecular epidemiology or genetic epidemiology, at least in the United States. Plenty of whites and Asians have.”

    That’s exactly my point. I think you read me back asswards there, Major. Carry on…
    — General Confusion

    • Replies: @Major Problem
  81. It seems these emotional subjects always elicit ideological rants. Oh well, it has always been that way. At least these type of issues are finally being discussed, that is a marked improvement. I will steer clear of the crowd and throw in some interesting perceptions on this issue.

    It appears highly likely that anatomically modern man (in looks only, not in intelligence) hybridized with Neanderthals right about 54,000 years ago taking some of their intelligence favoring mutations and with this added advantage took over the world EXCEPT Africa south of the Sahara. History and medicine tells us exactly why the Africans remained, tropical Africa before modern medicine was the white man’s grave because of the diseases there that only Africans had genetic defenses for.

    We have a past event (hybridization with neanderthals that made us modern in intelligence) that is still an unproven hypothesis at this point, but it fits very neatly with all of the evidence, and we have a portion of the world that has little to no Neanderthal admixture (sub Saharan Africa)and this part of the world has considerably lower IQ.

    I am not the least bit hateful or racist. The bell shaped curves are highly overlapped so that stereotypes of individuals by appearance is plain stupid. The Untied Nations predicts that Africa will continue out of control population growth so that this continent shall experience human misery on a scale unrivaled in human history. Equality idealists are part of the problem. Their censorship of any and all discussion of differences between groups means we are all sticking our collective heads in the sand and ignoring the causation of Africa’s problems.

    I need to add that these issues are extremely complex and my short blog post over simplifies them.

  82. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    LMAOROTF Bliss learned all that “history” in African studies class. -Thanks Bliss for demonstrating for the class what the author was describing. Now class Bliss is part of the talented tenth of African Americans.

    • Replies: @Larry Fernandes
  83. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @rod1963

    Feral ? arent they all basically feral

  84. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    EBOLACHAN RIDES A BLACK SWAN CHANTING LORENZ THEOREM

  85. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @TomB

    I cant wait till your lot is begging to be protected we are already working on ways to weed yout type out post collapse and send you to the worls you created

  86. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Mark

    havnt you noticed some people are too stupid to recognize their limitations blacks have very high self esteem but are to stupid to realize the charade about there being no such thing as IQ is a charade

    • Replies: @Truth
  87. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @schmenz

    this is because the cops and government generally have turned into thugs as a response to various aspects of multiculturalism whites can and do get caught up in this and other whites gamble the odds are this government thuggerry does more good than harm. the ptogs stopped protesting it unilaterally once they took complete control now they only want more white thuggery but call it less black thuggerry

  88. map says:

    This is what Bliss and all of the other blathering idiots don’t understand. Michael Brown’s shooting has nothing to do with a cop gunning down a civilian. It has to do with a white cop gunning down a black. The issue here has nothing to do with militarized police or some other police state nonsense ginned-up by libertardians. This is about a white person who defends himself with a gun. The real reason the libs and the blacks are so angry is because some white guy shot a black guy instead of allowing himself to be killed.

    Really, if Michael Brown was shot by a black cop, do you think any of this would even be an issue?

    The liberal and black mindset believes that blacks own the public space. No matter how obnoxious, rude, loud, threatening or violent a black or group of blacks are, white people are supposed to always submit. If you are an unfortunate enough white to be a target of a black beatdown, well, you’re supposed to get what’s coming to you, while thinking about slavery, Jim Crow and inequality in general. That is the natural order as imagined by blacks and the left.

    Darren Wilson did not abide by that rule. He simply killed a threatening and violent black. That is why we have rioting.

    Btw,

    http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Man-shot-dead-in-Huckleberry-park-in-Oakland-hills-5918503.php#photo-7197066

    http://www.tolerance.org/author/david-ruenzel

    Oh the irony!
    White liberal who wrote for SPLC killed in Oakland.
    …police said witnesses had seen two men on the trail just before three gunshots rang out…One was described as a black or of mixed race…The second was an “out of shape” black man.

    • Replies: @Bliss
  89. map says:
    @Suburban_elk

    It’s easy for white Americans to figure out who they are: they are the one’s being targeted by the federal government.

  90. map says:
    @Jim

    Funny how they could not do that in China. I guess that is how Jamaica under white control turns a chinaman into a success.

    • Replies: @Jim
  91. J says: • Website

    The current situation is artificial and unstable and cannot be maintained in perpetuity. The natural social arrangement occurs spontaneously in extreme situations: for example, in a mixed races jail. There, races separate spontaneously and limits are established and enforced. Trying to integrate by force only produces endless conflict.

  92. Beach says:
    @FB

    @#59 – Go Tell it on the Mountain was published in 1953, more than 60 years ago. At that time, I’m certain that blacks (who could not then even vote) had plenty to be legitimately enraged about. In the interim, not only have they won the vote, but are entrenched in every level of American government, including, you may have noticed, the highest executive office of the land. They have countless scholarship opportunities, as well as outright grants, simply for being black and reasonably good at their studies. When they graduate, they are granted preferential hiring – again, simply for being black. Companies like Lockheed and Alcoa are constantly on the look out for minority hires. They have risen to the top of the entertainment and sports arenas. If anything, they are vastly over represented on TV. To watch a network like Nickleodeon, one would think that America was 50% black; something many people in foreign countries believe, based on their American television viewing. (One would also think that whites are all goofy dorks that much wiser blacks run rings around.) It has become blatantly obvious that blacks who remain in the undertow are not there because they’ve been given no opportunities to get out. In short, America is not perpetually time-warped in 1965, with Peter, Paul and Mary warbling in the background. Society as a whole has moved on, with the exception of those who, for various reasons, find it expedient not to do so.

    One of the changes that most of us who have been alive long enough have noticed is how absurd, quasi-military ‘black power’ groups are figures of derision, rather than objects of deep concern, the way they were in the late 60s and early 70s. I’m sure they are monitored, but any group calling itself “The Symbionese Liberation Army” nowadays would produce eye rolls from both blacks and whites.

  93. @Jim

    Race is an artificial creation, while culture and ethnicity are extremely real. Funny how the views on the primacy of race here are straight out of the Sharpton/Jackson playbook.

  94. Sam J. says:

    If Africans did all the things Bliss said they must have had some serious epigenetic crisis.

    As for the pyramids. These guys built them. Melonheads.

    http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=179.0

    http://www.livescience.com/25743-alien-like-skulls-excavated-mexico.html

    In Egypt and South America they have the same geopolymer technology to make large stones that look natural but were cast.

  95. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:

    “Despite the violence and discrimination against Chinese in the US in the past today they out earn whites and have higher professional attainment.”

    This is a highly misleading statement usually made by idiots who are simply regurgitating what they’ve read on various HBD blogs.

    The majority of the Chinese living in America today are first and second generation immigrants. They are NOT the children of indigent railroad workers nor are their ancestors those who faced discrimination in the 1930s.

    Immigration from Asia, especially during the last few decades, has been heavily skewed towards the more educated and elite. The West receives many of China’s best students, especially since China’s own universities aren’t that great and a degree from a Western university, even a second or third-rate one, commands prestige in Asia. And when you consider China’s immense population size, it’s no shock that they have a large reserve of talent. In America’s ethnic statistics, all of these people are aggregated with little regard for generational status, different outcomes, etc.

    For example, see how aggregating international students from Asia with Asian-Americans can skew perceptions about Asian overrepresentation in graduate programs:

    A convoluting factor in the perception of AAPIs taking over STEM fields is a high number of international students that attend college in the United States to pursue specialized training in these fields. This is particularly true for graduate programs in STEM fields in U.S. institutions. For example, whereas data from the Eighth Annual Status Report for Minorities in Higher Education show that 32 percent of doctorates conferred in the United States were to “Asians” in 2000, 86 percent of these degrees were actually conferred to international students from Asia, rather than “Asian Americans.” A recent National Science Foundation publication reported that in the same time period, doctoral degrees awarded to Asians who were U.S. citizens accounted for a mere two percent of all doctoral degrees awarded.12

    https://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/08-0608-AAPI.pdf

    So yeah, those Chinese students getting PhDs at MIT and Stanford are not being drawn from the small “Asian-American” population, but from the much much larger talent pool in Asia itself.

    Since you mentioned income, here are various “Asian” (those classified as “Asian” in America) groups listed by median household income:

    Indian American : $86,135
    Filipino American : $76,954
    Chinese American : $67,211
    Fijian American : $67,003
    Pakistani American : $61,279
    Polynesian American : $58,582
    Vietnamese American : $55,132
    Korean American : $53,154
    Hmong American : $46,634
    Bangladeshi American : $46,157

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income

    Note the rather large difference between Chinese and Korean incomes, or between Pakistani and Bangladeshi incomes. It should be rather obvious that immigrant selection is playing a large role here.

    In addition, comparing Asian-Americans to White-Americans is comparing apples and oranges since the former, as I’ve reiterated above, is for the most part a self-selected elite sample. And since many Asians come here with the explicit intent to study and work in STEM fields, which pay higher incomes on average, this is going to skew their aggregate income levels. We’re not getting a representative sample of Asians.

  96. Bliss says:
    @map

    The real reason the libs and the blacks are so angry is because some white guy shot a black guy instead of allowing himself to be killed.

    Here’s another fine example of white cops shooting dead a black guy instead of allowing themselves to be killed. Notice how none of the unarmed civilians felt threatened by the guy but these pudgy cops (clearly beneficiaries of affirmative action) were so afraid they pumped 12 bullets into him as soon as they got to the scene:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1114280/Warning-Graphic-Man-knife-shot-police-12-times.html

    Anyone with a brain can see that there is something seriously wrong with the police and the criminal justice system. At the very least there needs to be civilian oversight of armed government employees.

    Here’s the famous, incorruptible ex-police officer Serpico on today’s cops:

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/10/the-police-are-still-out-of-control-112160.html#.VHmBMTHF-XY

    Today the combination of an excess of deadly force and near-total lack of accountability is more dangerous than ever: Most cops today can pull out their weapons and fire without fear that anything will happen to them, even if they shoot someone wrongfully. All a police officer has to say is that he believes his life was in danger, and he’s typically absolved. What do you think that does to their psychology as they patrol the streets—this sense of invulnerability? The famous old saying still applies: Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. (And we still don’t know how many of these incidents occur each year; even though Congress enacted the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act 20 years ago, requiring the Justice Department to produce an annual report on “the use of excessive force by law enforcement officers,” the reports were never issued.)

    It wasn’t any surprise to me that, after Michael Brown was shot dead in Ferguson, officers instinctively lined up behind Darren Wilson, the cop who allegedly killed Brown. Officer Wilson may well have had cause to fire if Brown was attacking him, as some reports suggest, but it is also possible we will never know the full truth—whether, for example, it was really necessary for Wilson to shoot Brown at least six times, killing rather than just wounding him. As they always do, the police unions closed ranks also behind the officer in question. And the district attorney (who is often totally in bed with the police and needs their votes) and city power structure can almost always be counted on to stand behind the unions.

  97. TomB says:

    In response to my response to his post Suburban_elk wrote:

    My point was not that race relations do not get better or worse as measured over the course of some decades or even lifespans. It was simply that, over the long term, when races are in competition, one is going to win and one is going to lose. Also perhaps both can lose. I don’t see how it is possible for both to win.

    Ah, I can see where I dismissed this too readily, with it most definitely not being something that can be validly dismissed in that way.

    I dunno; I have to think about this.

    A couple of preliminary thoughts though:

    A.) There *are* such things as new things in the world, if indeed the history of the world heretofore has indeed been just a zero-sum game between races.

    B.) Doesn’t one such new thing—democratic capitalism—strongly strive to re-align the persistent competition between peoples into peaceable, sustainable, *individualistic* economic competition, rather than racial group versus racial group?

    So why can’t that work? In historical terms the experiment still has to be regarded as somewhat young, no? And, after a fashion and by-and-large, still working, no?

  98. Bliss says:
    @Jim

    108-89 = 19. A standard deviation of IQ scores is 15 points so the maximum difference between the scores of East European countries and Singapore is less than 1.3 standard deviations not close to 2 standard deviations.

    Thanks for correcting me. So the white european Serbs are close to 1.3 SDs (not close to 2) behind Singaporeans. That is a bigger difference than that between white and black americans. And the difference between white caucasian Syrians and Singaporeans is actually almost 2 SDs:

    Singapore: IQ 108
    Serbia: IQ 89
    Syria: IQ 79

    So, HBDers/race realists/neo-nazis, how do you explain your racial megalomania when the majority of white caucasians are from around one standard deviation (slavs, greeks, irish) to around two SDs (persians, arabs, levantines, north africans) behind Singapore?

    The highest IQ in Europe, Iceland at 101, is almost half a SD behind Singapore. And Syria is close to half a SD behind african-american IQ.

    How the heck do you all still manage to get off on your status in the IQ heirarchy?

    • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
    , @Jim
  99. vin says:
    @Fran Macadam

    What a great idea Fran. I think we’ll set the bar slightly above your I.Q.

  100. Lurker says:

    I so enjoy these missives by Mr. Reed if for nothing else other than the absolute fracas they engender in the peanut gallery. Truth be told, every time an even nominally racially-oriented article is posted to Unz, I find great schadenfreude in the postings here… and today it looks as if Christmas has arrived early!

    I would like to personally thank @(“Ignorance is”) Bliss, whose all-encompassing denials of objectivity and complete inability to face reality always leave me giggling for the better part of a day. You have truly outdone yourself as of late; your clearly misunderstood attempts to apply statistics, IQ, and history to your ranting and raving is some of your best comedy work to date. Please, please tell me again how proto-Africans building a mud hut thousands of years ago somehow assuages the overwhelmingly obvious (with science!) inferiority of modern Africans and their cognition in the 21st century – I could use another laugh! Also, if you could try to use IQ as a weapon against whites and Asians again I would be forever in your debt; truly top-notch material, that.

    I would also like to thank @TomB, whose far more rational and supremely well-composed (though misguided) musings always provide food for thought.

    Tom, to you I would merely say that, as a man who has spent a great deal of his life around blacks, you are extremely optimistic of the situation on the ground. Dropping crime rates since the 1960s belie a far larger racial problem America faces, and I assure you it is bubbling just beneath the surface today just as it was fifty years ago. Also, riots and affirmative action are categorically NOT small prices to pay to sustain what is, in all fairness, antique farm equipment. Mankind, and especially white mankind, has more important things to worry about than EBT cards and Obamaphones; we should be building bases on the moon and colonizing Mars (or at least figuring out how to do so), not worrying about the well-being of humanity’s lowest common denominator.

    Furthermore, I would submit that IQ does absolutely influence and forge culture, at least as much as environment and random chance. This assertion, though controversial, should not be nearly the biophysiological/psychological scandal I am sure you will interpret it as; it is clear to me that all human culture must pass through the human mind first before being expressed in the physical world. How could the precision of thought (or lack thereof) of the mind in question not play a part in shaping what follows?

    Other posters have mentioned differences in gene expressions between whites and blacks, particularly in pairs that may influence behavior (violence, shame, anger). I would urge you to consider that it is at least possible that black lawlessness is not just in the black community’s jeans, but also in their genes. Most high IQ advanced societies (Western Europe, East Asia, etc.) are filled with largely peaceable peoples who are law-abiding and decent when they are in their homogenous niche. Of course, in times of war, that same high-IQ can be used with devastating consequence on the battlefield, but I would submit that there is a predisposition towards peace and order in whites/Asians that simply does not genetically exist in much (much) lower IQ black societies.

    You’re a strong writer and thinker, Tom, but I really believe you need to spend some time on the front lines of the culture war. Pollyannish indeed.

    Anyhow, sorry for the interruption fellas, please resume the ruckus!

    • Replies: @RC
  101. @Anonymous

    Bliss, with his fairy tales about Blacks having built the pyramids and his compulsive name-calling, is a typical “smart” and “articulate” black man.

    • Replies: @David In TN
    , @Bliss
  102. john says:
    @FB

    If I say that there is no such thing as a German Shepard, or a Chihuahua, they are all canines, most people would say that I am full of shit. Of course the German Shepard exist, as do the Chihuahua. They are of different physical appearance, temperament and ability. The fact that they interbred is besides the point. Why do people say the same about the human race and get away with it.

  103. @Larry Fernandes

    “Bliss, with his fairy tales about Blacks having built the pyramids and his compulsive name-calling, is a typical ‘smart’ and ‘articulate’ black man.”

    Absolutely. Another trait is a total lack of irony.

  104. TomB says:

    Apropos of my posts Lurker wrote:

    I really believe you need to spend some time on the front lines of the culture war.

    Hi Lurker:

    A very possibly fair criticism.

    On the other hand I also think being too close/immersed in things has its distorting effects, and figuring out and getting the right perspective on same—especially the historical, which provides moral and other perspective as well—is something that we tend to overlook doing no matter its potentially supreme importance.

    After all, history so mocks our temporal pretensions of certainty: Our memories are so short, as are the spans of our lives, our intellectual abilities are so limited, and our inability to avoid the mistakes of the past so blinding….

  105. FB says:

    i read this on Counterpunch on Friday and just have to post it here with a big old touché

    The Secret Darkness of Grand Juries

    Over the last 17 years I have represented dozens and dozens of clients who were subpoenaed to testify as witnesses at State and Federal Grand Juries regarding government investigations. A grand jury is a secret tribunal where a citizen is forced to answer questions by a prosecutor, often against their will. They are not allowed to have an attorney in the grand jury room to advise them while the questioning takes place. There is no Judge in the grand jury room to oversee the fairness or legitimacy of the proceedings. The prosecutor alone determines what evidence will be provided to the grand jurors, and that alone forms the basis of their deliberations and their determination regarding whether a felony indictment will issue. The prosecutor becomes the grand jurors’ friend: he controls their bathroom breaks, meals, and whether they can return to their work, families, and lives. The prosecutor, a politically elected position, works very closely with police every day and generally exhibits bias toward police as a result of this familiar relationship. The prosecutor holds enormous power over the outcome of a grand jury proceeding.

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    As a lawyer for a subpoenaed witness, the primary concern is whether our client may incriminate itself by providing testimony to the grand jury. Because the grand jury is this secret process, the answer to this question is almost always yes, there is a possibility that this person could be compelled to testify and give information that might lead to criminal charges against that person. In these cases, the witness is advised that they must assert their Fifth Amendment right to remain silent so there is no chance they will incriminate themselves of a crime. The only way that the prosecutor can overcome the Fifth Amendment right of a person is to impose immunity from any potential prosecution upon the subpoenaed person. If immunity is thrust upon the witness, their Fifth Amendment right is taken away from them and they are forced to testify. But, by providing immunity, the State acknowledges that they are no longer allowed to prosecute the witness for any crime related to the testimony sought.

    It is with this background and understanding that I have been very suspicious about the recent grand jury proceedings regarding Darren Wilson, the police officer who murdered 18-year-old Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. If a person was being investigated for murder, would they (in their right mind) voluntarily waive their Fifth Amendment rights and testify to a grand jury without immunity or some other type of agreement with the State that would assure the suspect officer that their testimony would not be used to prosecute them for one of the most serious felony crimes that exists in this country? If such a deal was not struck in the secrecy of the grand jury process, one would expect that the powerful police union or Wilson’s own lawyers would have asserted his Fifth Amendment right. Because the prosecutor totally controls the questions asked and evidence provided to the grand jury, it was not surprising that as always, the State guaranteed the result they wanted—the police officer would get away with murder again.

    Sure, the State felt compelled to hold a grand jury investigation given the public outrage and attention this police murder garnered around the world. And sure, inviting Darren Wilson to give a speech to the grand jury proclaiming his innocence and victimization gave some semblance that the State was undertaking a “real” investigation into the murder. Lauding the service of the grand jurors is a nice distraction as well, but of course it is not the jurors’ fault that the grand jury system is broken. If the jurors are only allowed to touch the trunk and tail in total darkness, it might be hard to see the elephant in the room

    And so, another cop killing never even sees the light of a court room, but instead lurks in the secret darkness of the biased grand jury room.

    This scenario has played out too many times in the United States. Marginalized human (whether black, mentally ill, poor, etc.) is shot and killed by a law enforcement officer sworn to uphold the law and protect community safety. The Community reacts with horror, fear and anger at the murder of a victim they know or can relate to. The State provides some window dressing as if they were truly interested in whether this person—one of the few that has the lawful power to kill people under extreme circumstances—acted in conformance with the law. Despite the growing number of cop killings that occur in this country, it is suspect that the State’s conclusion is overwhelming in favor of exonerating the actions of the police officer and affirming the right of the officer to punish a person with death. The community responds in outrage. Protests and direct action have become the only way people can vent the rage and resentment against a broken system of injustice. This public outrage then becomes further justification for increased State repression upon these communities—militarized police, National Guard troops, and the jailing of community leaders. The community often becomes torn and divided between those who cannot remain contrite in the face of such injustice, those who remain obedient to the tenants of Ghandian civil disobedience, and those whose privilege allows them to simply bury their heads in the sand.

    Another young black man is dead. Another cop killer remains employed to protect and serve the community he has destroyed. A broken system is perpetuated without discussion about what might replace it. Instead of just replaying this same devastating tragedy, perhaps ‘we the people’ should be coming up with a societal solution that could earn the respect of the people.

    Lauren Regan is the founder and executive director of the Civil Liberties Defense Center (CLDC). Ms. Regan operates a public interest law firm, The Justice Law Group, specializing in constitutional law, civil rights, and criminal defense. She is a founding board member and past president of the Cascadia Wildlands. She also serves as a Lane County Teen Court judge, Oregon State Bar Leadership Fellow, National Lawyers Guild, Eugene co-chair, and volunteers hundreds of hours a year to various progressive causes.

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  106. Seer says:

    @Bliss

    If you actually bothered to learn anything about what HBDers believe, you would know that they acknowledge that East Asians have higher IQs collectively than Northern Euros.

    But you’re not interested in investing the time to learn, are you? You just want to build straw men and then knock them down with your ignorant ranting and raving.

  107. @Bliss

    So, HBDers/race realists/neo-nazis, how do you explain your racial megalomania when the majority of white caucasians are from around one standard deviation (slavs, greeks, irish) to around two SDs (persians, arabs, levantines, north africans) behind Singapore?

    The highest IQ in Europe, Iceland at 101, is almost half a SD behind Singapore. And Syria is close to half a SD behind african-american IQ.

    How the heck do you all still manage to get off on your status in the IQ heirarchy?

    Your question has already been answered at least twice: we don’t care. The most fanatic neo-Nazi out there agrees Ashkenazi Jews have higher mean IQs. What we are good at is being white Americans, and creating a society that’s a magnet for high-g people from all over the world.

    It is terribly shortsighted for people to call for America to be re-made into majority non-white. By the time things run their course, black Americans will be back in the 1880’s. If you think white Jim Crow was bad, wait until it’s wielded by people who don’t carry around any guilt from American slavery.

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  108. One thing that has never been explained by environmentalists is why black IQs regress to a lower mean from whites. If it is environmental, then why do offspring of low IQ blacks regress to a higher mean.

  109. Jim says:
    @Bliss

    The a priori probability that I personally would be a member of the ethnic group with the highest average IQ was always very low given the large number of ethnic groups and variation in their average IQ’s( over about 4 standard deviations).

  110. john says:
    @FB

    I imagine you are an above average black person. This is the puzzlement I felt in my first post. You see, in most communities, people would not defend Michael Brown, particularly after the much publicized trial where physical evidence was available to the public. Yet you are still trying to justify the riot with conspiracy theories. It is like we are from two different planets.

  111. Kat says: • Website

    This is why most Blacks seem to think it’s more important to ‘look cool’ than to get an education; it’s why THEY keep the N-word alive; they teach it to their own babies. It’s why their conversation is filled with m-fs rather than useful, communication, It’s why their conversation is profuse with useless phrases, repeated ad nauseum – ‘know what I’m sayin’… It’s why they have the capacity to say ‘kiss my ass’ and in so doing use every necessary component to pronounce ‘ask’ just as clearly as others but often say ‘ax’ instead. I do know some intelligent Blacks; they also don’t like the stupid, ghetto, parasites who procreate with abandon but take little or no responsibility for their children. I also know some Whites who fit that same category. Frankly, I don’t like them any more than the Blacks who perpetuate the lazy, no-good, amoral Ghetto-Black stereotype. Neither does their race nor society any favors, and we are collectively sick of taking care of them. I would propose that we offer them a thousand dollars to be voluntarily sterilized. Most would accept that offer, and we would benefit by not having to pay out welfare for their future children.

  112. @Buzz Mohawk

    That’s exactly my point. I think you read me back asswards there

    I was supporting your point, as you indicate. So why would you believe I read you “back asswards”?

  113. Jim says:
    @map

    Good point. Along those lines the following is interesting. Japanese Brazilians have been among the most successful groups in Brazil. In recent years there has been a fair amount of emigration back to Japan on their part. Back in Japan they have been a bit of a problem group with poorer than average performance in school and other problems. So an elite group in Brazil is a below average group in Japan.

  114. RC says:
    @Bliss

    The Sphinx and the Pyramids were built by Egyptians. They were not built by sub-Saharan Africans.

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  115. RC says:
    @RC

    Nasser, Sadat, Mubarak, etc. were, or are, no more like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton than I am.

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  116. RC says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    Yes. The Hispanics, and particularly the Asians will pass up and/or just roll over many blacks. Too bad though, that many whites aren’t knowledgeable enough to realize that many whites, if not most, are descended from immigrants who came to America AFTER Slavery. Many whites are almost as ignorant about history as blacks. That’s why so many are susceptible to white guilt.

  117. RC says:
    @Lurker

    You are correct. Our society seems to overemphasize the importance of humanity’s lowest common denominator.

  118. Fred,

    Some time ago you wrote a piece where you cited a test of Irish kids in the mid 80’s that resulted in a mean IQ of 87. A later test in the early oughts also of Irish kids that resulted in a mean IQ of 100. Another piece you discuss the functionality of Mexican culture, demonstrating that its accomplishments are clearly more significant than a population of mean IQ of 87 would be capable of. Both of these suggest a serious deficiency of IQ tests being an accurate measurement of innate cognitive ability.

    Now you are suggesting that the performance of black people, both in Africa and the Americas, is consistent with the results of these tests. I think further explanation on your part is warranted.

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  119. TomB says:
    @FB

    … reguritated what is in my opinion a so-tendentious-as-to-be-dishonest piece by a National Lawyer’s Guild member strongly implying that the Grand Jury process that refused to indict the Officer involved in this Ferguson business was in essence rigged to not indict him.

    In one of the threads here at the Unz site after the Grand Jury’s decision came out, and in light of the incredible openness and fairness with which the District Attorney there conducted same, I noted that what we would see from the Usual Suspects (such as a National Lawyer’s Guild type) was a flurry of faux sophisticated but disingenuous pieces trying in some recondite and desperate way to continue the incitement of racial animosities and etc. in this case instead of praising how justice worked here. And as I believe this piece reproduced by FB is a perfect illustration of same I might as well continue to go on and note how.

    In the first place this National Lawyer’s Guild lawyer uses the fact that, indeed, Grand Juries almost always deliver indictments: I.e., do what the prosecutors want because, in general, and in the main, it is indeed easy for a prosecutor to get a Grand Jury to do what they want. (So easy there’s an old saying that a prosecutor could get a Grand Jury to indict a ham sandwich.)

    But, there certainly are cases that occur all the time—not many, but not rare as hen’s teeth either—in which Grand Juries do refuse to issue an indictment. And this National Lawyer’s Guild lawyer doesn’t mention that so as to play the trick that she does which is essentially—and again in my opinion—a totally dishonest technique of presenting a false alternative.

    That is, after implying that Grand Juries near never fail to indict she then pretends that there is one and only one alternative to why the Ferguson Grand Jury failed to do so: Some underhanded maneuver on the part of the prosecutor(s) in favor of the Officer.

    But what alternative she carefully refuses to mention is of course the other that the case against the Officer was so weak right from the start that no Grand Jury would indict on same. And indeed I think the evidence that came out shows that this is indeed the answer.

    Moreover it might be noted that while the author implies some misbehavior on the part of the prosecutor(s) here, she further appears to engagein the technique of cheap innuendo by failing utterly to definitively point to even one single alleged specific *instance* or practice of misbehavior.

    Proceeding on, however, what we *do* find the author doing instead is casting some *general* innuendo on the prosecutor allowing the Officer to testify.

    Now, if anything, this seems to me to be just one more attempted trick to deceive the legally unsophisticated.

    In the first place and as I have looked up and written before because of the nature of Missouri law once the officer raised the issue of self-defense it would have been the grossest misconduct imaginable to have not gone into that with the jury because the Officer’s raising of that defense immediately added an additional element that needed to be found before he was found guilty of any crime. And that additional element was an additional burden that a prosecutor would have to show that Officer Wilson’s claim of self-defense was invalid. And a prosecutor would have to show that *beyond a reasonable doubt.*

    That is textbook Missouri law. Period. So that *not* raising Wilson’s self-defense claim and facts would have been the equivalent to securing an indictment for a crime by misleading a Grand Jury as to the legal definition of that crime.

    Continuing on, with equal-to if not greater disingenuousness, the National Lawyer’s Guild lawyer then criticizes the prosecutors for allowing Wilson *himself* to present his defense.

    And here’s the disingenuousness of that: Because, I’d bet my life, if the prosecutor had *not* called Officer Wilson to testify Officer Wilson would then have escaped not just the fact of cross-examination that he went through, but the huge scope of such examination in that Grand Jury setting given many of the things the author *herself* trumpets: No judges to rein in such cross-examination; not even any right for Officer Wilson to have an attorney present.

    And thus one can well imagine that if the prosecutors here had *failed* to call Officer Wilson, and just had read into the record his post-shooting statement given to his fellow cops or to the prosecutors, what we would be seeing would be absolute *screaming* from the National Lawyer’s Guild lawyer how the prosecutors had skewed the process by not taking advantage of their incredible rights of cross-examination of him in front of the Grand Jury, which they most certainly did.

    Up is down, black is white, heads I win tails you lose … *this* is the entire nature of this piece by this lawyer in my opinion. Right down to the blatantly topsy-turvy one that really made me laugh implying not that we can well suspect that a person has engaged in some illegality when they say they are refusing to talk for fear of self-incrimination (i.e., when they take the Fifth Amendment), but instead … that when someone *refuses* to take the Fifth and insists on talking and braves cross-examination to do so that *this* is now when we should *most* suspect that they were engaged in some illegality.

    Trick after trick, trick upon trick, and all for what? For what possible reason? As one commentator has put it and as I believe is manifest, nothing less than pimping after ever more racial division and hatred and incitement.

  120. Svigor says:

    If the consequences didn’t affect others, it would be needless, even cruel, to mention cognitive deficits. But they do affect society, very damagingly. They result in the enstuipidation of schools to which the bright go, and cripple the high-end brains upon which the prosperity of the United States depends. They result in Fergusons.

    To put a finer point on it; if liberals and blacks hadn’t created an ongoing, generational accusation of collective wrongdoing against the white race, using black failure as “evidence,” then race-realism wouldn’t be the duty of all good men. Each new generation of white children is being targeted to take the fall for black failure when they grow up. Their children, and their children, and their children, and so on, ad infinitum, are clearly being lined up to take the fall for black failure. To be smeared as racists and oppressors. To have the sweat of their brows stolen as “compensation” or “reparations.”

    Take a look at your kids, white parents: liberals are salivating at the idea of taxing them to pay for black failure. At discriminating against them to “rectify” “racism.” At demonizing them as the cause of black failure.

    Moral men (of any and all races) will oppose this. They will go into the court of public opinion and testify their race-realism. Moral men (of any race) do not watch men (of any race) being falsely accused, and say nothing.

  121. Svigor says:

    Yes. The Hispanics, and particularly the Asians will pass up and/or just roll over many blacks. Too bad though, that many whites aren’t knowledgeable enough to realize that many whites, if not most, are descended from immigrants who came to America AFTER Slavery. Many whites are almost as ignorant about history as blacks. That’s why so many are susceptible to white guilt.

    Slavery was largely a British thing. That is, most of the people who owned or trafficked (hi Yankees!) in slaves in the US were largely of English, Scottish, and Irish stock.

    But today, those groups are a fraction of the overall white American population, and thus, a much smaller tax base for the regime to rob, extort, and guilt-trip.

  122. Priss Factor [AKA "Andrea Ostrov Letania"] says:

    Fred Fred Cabbage Head, how many times do I gotta spell it out?

    The problem of blacks isn’t mainly IQ. It’s that they’re physically stronger and more aggressive temperamentally. That is why whites both loathe and love the Negroes. Because blacks are bigger/stronger, whites are frightened and intimidated. Many whites try to flee from black areas for their own safety and for their children’s. But black toughness also makes whites respect blacks, especially as US is a sports-obsessed nation. The very display of black aggression we saw in Ferguson will be celebrated when it’s all over the football field during the NFL playoff. Blacks will run, bump, smash, growl, holler, and bash, and white boys and girls will have conniptions in their excited orgy over black athletic prowess. And mostly white cheerleaders will shake their asses for black athletes and be banged by them after the game. And white groupies will line up to be humped by Negro football and basketball players. And white boys will invite black ‘bulls’ to hump their wives on their own beds, and white homo boys will get off on ‘gay porn’ where big-ass Negroes pump the asses of wussy white fruitcakes. When blacks act violent, a white woman thinks, “what a dangerous thug… but that’s the kind of guy I want humping me.” When blacks act like thugs, a white boy thinks, “What an a**hole.. but that’s the kind of badass power that I wish I had.” If a white boy were given a choice between being a muscled negro, a stubby mexican, geeky asian, or hooknosed Arab, he’s gonna choose the negro, like what happened with the John-Candy-voice white character in the animation movie HEAVY METAL.

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    Suppose blacks have low IQ but were physically built like Bolivian Indians or Cambodian peasants. Suppose they had the temperament of Guillermo(on Jimmy Kimmel) or Elephant Boy(on Howard Stern). Would they pose much of a problem to America? No. Sure, many will fail socially and economically, and many will be on welfare rolls, but most of them will not be violent and they will not be filled with arrogance toward whites and other groups. We could ignore them as a bunch of useless losers.

    Black arrogance and anger derives from black physicality. Blacks, with harder muscles, can flatten the other races, and blacks know this. Blacks know white boys, asian boys, mexican boys, and other kinds of boys all be afeared of Negroes. They be feeling like Radio Raheem or Michael Brown. Michael Brown was likely a low IQ dumb mofo, but would he have stolen cigars and acted wild-and-crazy if he were built like Pee Wee Herman?
    Blacks know why whites move away from black areas. They know white folks be afraid. Blacks know they can act anyway they want since non-blacks who are afraid won’t intervene. It’s like the time Bill Maher complained about noisy blacks in theater and got punched in the nose.
    Blacks feel they is the master race cuz they be so badass. So, they done think they have a RIGHT to act anyway they please. So, even if they cause trouble, other races better shut up. If a white boy complains, he is attacked by blacks who feel their right as the master race has been violated by a wussy-ass ‘faggot’. This is why blacks are angry at Darren Wilson. Physically, Brown could have kicked Wilson’s ass in less than a minute. It’s like Rodney King could have kicked all those white officer’s ass if they fought man-to-man. Blacks grow up feeling like this. So, when white cops, with guns and law behind them, have power over blacks, blacks feel angry because their right as the ‘master badass race’ has been violated. It’s like Radio Raheem in DO THE RIGHT THING got upset because some white guy dared to tell him to turn off the radio. Dang, imagine dat!! A white boy telling a badass master race negro to turn down the music. Who he think he is? Punkass mofo, he needs to get his ass whupped.
    Blacks see non-blacks are their biological slaves. So, blacks feel that they have the ‘right’ to act as they please. And if whites or non-blacks complain, they be violating the fundamental rule of black supremacy. In any slave-master relation, if a slave made a complaint about the master, the master would get angry. Whether the master is in the right or wrong, the slave is NOT supposed to challenge or criticize the master. Though we are all ostensibly equal in the US by the letter of the law, black social psychology goes like “I AM A MAN but you(non-blacks) are pussies. So suck my dick.” Blacks, with their street power, sex power, music power, and sports power feel as the slave-masters over us all. And as Jews push the Narrative of White Guilt, blacks feel they are also our moral/spiritual masters. Whites, in contrast, are spiritual slaves stained with the ‘original sin of slavery’.

    Black arrogance isn’t mostly about legacy of slavery or Selma or some shit. It derives from the fact that they know they are stronger and tougher. On top of this, blacks, due to hormone levels and biochemistry, tend to be funkier and wilder. It’s like black women be acting like Serena Williams and shit. They be naaaaaasty!!!!
    Historically, American Indians have more to be bitter about. Their homeland was taken from them. They were victims of ‘genocide’. Their sacred ancestral lands have been turned into shopping malls and golf courses–and despite all the Jewish bitching, there are more Jews than people with names like Crazy Beaver and Buffalo Cloud in country clubs. But Indians aren’t all that tough and strong naturally. And they aren’t as aggressive as blacks. Lots of American Indians are economically badly off, but they don’t cause the kind of all-out destructive problems that blacks cause. So, Indians are just ‘losers’ in America. Once in awhile, a bone is thrown at them as in the Redskin name issue, but that’ s just shtick.

    Here’s the problem. As much as white Americans loathe blacks for their violence, they also love blacks for their athleticism, funky musicality, bootiliciousness, big-dong-ness, howling-boom-box-voice-ness, and etc. Indeed, whites are ADDICTED to that stuff. With the internet in the bedroom of every white child and with rap as mainstream music, today’s white girls grow up with interracist porn and interracist music. And the attraction to black thuggery is due to the primal psyche of woman being attracted to the Big Beast type. This is why even white women who marry more dependable white men will cheat on them with big Negroes or persuade their husbands to sign up for ‘cuckold’ community.
    And as white men have been reduced to slavish white boys who worship black athletes in MMA, NFL, and NBA, many of them are more than willing to oblige. After all, white male fans shriek like little girls at sports events. They act as if peeing in their pants. It’s like the black athletic mastery gives white boys orgasms. Furthermore, the Narrative instilled them with ‘white guilt’ and MLK-worship, so they believe they must spiritually and morally put out to Negroes as well. It’s like Negroes feeling “I have a dream, and I have creamed on your white wife, honkey!”

    White men would have barfed as such prospect even 20 yrs ago, but so many white boys feel honored to have their wives or girlfriends conquered by Negroes. And with young white boys and white girls raised on interracist porn, this trend will intensify. White boys will think, “yep, them Negroes are superior to us, and may the best man win. Do my girl, Negro. You deserve to enjoy her, and she deserves to enjoy you as I’m just a wussy white boy.” White boys are becoming ‘Asian-male-ized’ vis-a-vis the Negro. A sorryass sight.

    People worship power. And the four kinds of power that are most immediately evident for most people are street power, sports power, sex power, and music power. Other kinds of power tend to be indirect and too elaborate. It’s like a nuclear physicist requires the system and network of atomic energy to show off his power. Unless he’s a superhero, he doesn’t have the power of atomic energy in the palm of his hand like a boxer has his power packed in his fist.
    But street power is instant. It’s there when a Negro knocks out a whitey. Music power is instant. It’s there when a rapper flexes his muscles and sings in his boom box voice. Sports power is instant when a Negro running back makes a touchdown. Sex power is instant when a big Negro pumps his dong into a white homo boy who submits wussily and shrieks like a girl.
    Those kinds of power are easily and powerfully understood by all. A nuclear generator is a lot more powerful than a Negro athlete, but its power is systematic and dispersed in the operations of many engineers and managers, most of whom are geeks.
    Most kinds of power, great as they are, tend to be diffused, time-consuming in their effect, and embedded in impersonal and boring technology. (On superbowl night, how many people are going to watch a sober documentary on a nuclear reactor?) Professors at Harvard have power, but they must do long yrs of research, teach their students, and etc, etc, and it takes time for their influence to have an impact on society. It’s not dynamically demonstrable. But the kinds of power that blacks excel in are immediately graspable to the eyes and ears–and the bunghole of a white homo boy who is into interracist ‘gay sex’.

    It’s like the Ray Rice story. Morally and culturally, he is condemned. But look at the news stories where we are shown photos of him on the sports field and etc. Despite all the moral condemnation, he looks like the tough dude while white folks look and sound like priggish nagging dorks.

    We know drugs are bad, but addicts cannot drop the habit because drugs give them too much joy. If the Negro factor were only unpleasant, whites would soon tire of all blacks and want nothing to do with them. But blacks are at the core of industries in America that give great pleasure to whites. As Superbowl time comes around, you will see that whites will have forgotten all about Ferguson as they are too busy having massive orgasms about blacks kicking butt on the sports field. Also, the very white folks who are appalled by Ferguson violence will invite black ‘bulls’ into their homes for sex or have some bigass Negro pump them in their homo ass. And even as whites are disturbed by burning Ferguson, they will soon be dancing, bumping and grinding, and shaking their booties to rap and hip hop. And white girls will buy celebrity mags about how Kardashian is having sex with another black rapper.

    You’d think white Americans would be filled with sympathy for the Pakistani storeowner whose place was looted and smashed, but to most Americans, Pakis and Hindus are like Babu in SIMPSONS. A silly joke, an object of ridicule, and a ‘loser’. Americans are more hedonistic than ever, and Negroes give them plenty of pleasure and excitement in sports, sex, music, and political theater.

    Just like meth users know meth is bad but are addicted to it, white Americans find much of black America appalling, but they are addicted to it. It’s not just a quasi-spiritual addiction via the Magic Negro(like the dude in Green Mile or Oprah) but also a sports-sexual-musical addiction.

    I’ll bet all the gripers on this blog will be glued to the TV during playoff season. And they will all enjoy being ‘sports-cuckolded’ as they shriek like girls to the superbowl where black players rule, and white cheerleaders shake their butts for the Negroes. And white boys in the stands will scream like girls at an Elvis Concert.

  123. Bliss says:
    @Larry Fernandes

    fairy tales about Blacks having built the pyramids

    Arguing with you willfully ignorant racists, so deeply brainwashed by crackpot 19th century race fantasies, is similar to arguing with brainwashed religious fanatics. Which water fountain would these ancient egyptians have been forced to drink from in Jim Crow America? The one reserved for whites? GTFO…

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ancient+egyptians&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=598&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=I1l6VLG8GJfkoATMtILYCQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ

    Here’s what Thomas Jefferson’s friend the French Count Volney had to say about the 4500 years old Great Sphinx of Giza:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Fran%C3%A7ois_de_Chasseb%C5%93uf,_comte_de_Volney

    On seeing that head, typically Negro in all its features, I remembered the remarkable passage where Herodotus says: ‘ As for me, I judge the Colchians to be a colony of the Egyptians because, like them, they are black with woolly hair..

    Herodotus, known as the Father of History, encountered the egyptians over 2400 years ago before Egypt was conquered and it’s complexion transformed by greek and roman settlers. And long before this greco-romanized Egypt was in turn conquered by the peninsular arabs who brought in tons of european and central asian slaves into the racial melting plot.

  124. Bliss says:
    @Abelard Lindsey

    Another piece you discuss the functionality of Mexican culture, demonstrating that its accomplishments are clearly more significant than a population of mean IQ of 87 would be capable of. Both of these suggest a serious deficiency of IQ tests being an accurate measurement of innate cognitive ability. Now you are suggesting that the performance of black people, both in Africa and the Americas, is consistent with the results of these tests. I think further explanation on your part is warranted.

    Exactly. Fred Reed is either hopelessly irrational or willfully dishonest. In other words he has mental and/or character issues. Compare the IQ of african americans to that of the two main nations of latin america:

    Mexico: IQ 88
    Brazil: IQ 87
    African-americans: IQ 85

    How the hell can anyone with a brain use IQ to deem one a hopeless case and extol the other two as successes?

  125. Svigor says:

    People who whine about the treatment of Chinese in western societies are racists (pro-non-white racists, anti-white racists, or both). China slams its doors in the face of whites. They don’t even let us into their societies. Which is why they don’t have much of a history of discriminating against whites – it’s hard to discriminate against someone in your society when you’ve shut him out of it altogether. And the few whites who are there are (and aren’t teaching Chinese how to speak English so they can enter western societies) are much smarter, wealthier, more educated, and more accomplished than the average Chinaman.

    Automation eats rapidly away at the low-end jobs for which blacks are usually qualified. So do Mexicans.

    Liberals don’t care that Mexicans take jobs from American blacks. That Mexicans are the biggest threat to black American employment. Thus, it is reasonable to question liberals’ supposed concern for the welfare of blacks.

    Arguably the best we can do is to continue as now

    Smash liberalism. Smash their delusions. Cast liberals down from their perch. Repeal all so-called “anti-discrimination” laws, so that freedom is once again the order of the day. Dramatically reduce the size of gov’t, so that people have the freedom to decide the composition of their own institutions and communities. Let the States set their own courses. Let local communities sort out their own security. The disorder will be short-lived, and the resulting order will be sustainable.

    It won’t be fixed though. There is too much money to be made with the current situation not to mention political careers. So we will simply kick the can down the road until the economy seizes up and thus destroying the welfare state via a violent upheaval.

    Which would be more prosperous, America as it is now, or America with no blacks? Money doesn’t strike me as a reasonable explanation.

    And if there were a “race war,” it would not be about race.

    The most likely (and needed) “race war” in America’s future would be a White Civil War. Real Whites vs. “Whites” and their Janissaries.

    Bliss says

    Bliss is one of those liberals I was talking about, one of the ones who doesn’t give a shit about the suffering of blacks caused by open borders and mass immigration of Latinos. She couldn’t care less. Ergo…

    Instead I feel a little lucky that they exist and that I have benefited from them being around. So why would 85 IQ blacks have anger at the higher IQ whites? Would they be better off if all the whites in the U.S. suddenly vanished? Why are they so reluctant to admit white intellectual superiority? It puzzles me a little.

    Imagine you are a member of a race that is both incompetent, and a conspicuous minority. You are surrounded by a well-meaning, competent race that excels yours in everything that really matters. They have the nice things, and your race lives in poverty. Crucially, your race is below the threshhold for advanced, modern civilization. You can’t see how that’s a formula for resentment? Add in white appeasement and liberalism, and the fact that your race got here on slave ships, and it’s a done deal, IMO.

    It takes a certain level of intelligence to see past all of this to the truth you point out, a level of intelligence largely lacking in blacks.

    There’s also the fact that people have a remarkable tendency to ignore things that take the butter off their bread. Blacks have made a lot of money guilt-tripping and extorting YT.

    unit472 says:
    November 28, 2014 at 4:07 pm GMT

    Agreed. IQ is simply the best- and most-quantified, so people tend to fixate on it, but it’s only part of the problem.

    First they came for the Anti-Semites, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not an Anti-Semite.

    Then they came for the Racists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Racist.

    Then they came for the Conservatives, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Conservative.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    3 policy suggestions.
    No more illegal immigration. Let Fred’s beloved hispanics work in mexico and leave the unskilled labor to Americans.

    Oddly, blacks and supposedly pro-black liberals (like Bliss) don’t give a damn about open borders and mass immigration, and the negative effects they have on black employment and prosperity.

    No more racial preferences, hiring or otherwise. Hurts everyone. No more forcing low income housing into the suburbs. You want to live there, pay the going rate.

    Racial preferences help blacks. Leaving the market to operate on merit hurts blacks. I’d have thought this obvious.

    Welfare reform. The latter 2 will help all people to learn self suffiency. Of course leave a safety net so no one starves.

    Self-sufficiency harms blacks. Extorting and guilt-tripping money out of whites substantially improves blacks economic situation.

    White men are the biggest beneficiaries of affirmative action ever.

    Right. That’s why blacks are all in favor of it, while whites are mostly opposed.

    At that point Brown clearly did not have a gun. If he had a weapon he would have used it long before.

    That’s the sort of nonsequitur we often see from the stupid.

    Syria: IQ 79
    Saudi Arabia: IQ 80
    Lebanon: 82
    India: IQ 82
    Egypt : 83
    Iran: 84

    All these people were civilized millenia before northern europeans. Let’s see you wrap your puny mind around that.

    I agree that an 85 mean IQ is enough to maintain civilization at the levels shown in ancient Egypt, India, etc. He should’ve said “modern” or “advanced” society, or both.

    That said, it’s pretty silly to assume that today’s averages reflect the averages from 5,000 years ago. It’s also a bit silly to gloat over a civilization that peaked 4,000 years ago, or whatever it was for Egypt. Blacks today are far better off than the ancient Egyptians were at the peak of their civilization, and if blacks were forced to live at that level of civilization, they’d do 10x the whining they do now.

    Chew on that a bit HBDers and then tell us if it deflates your megalomania or not. If not, why not?

    Sure, that’s why you have to poach accomplished Europeans with marginal black admixture to multiply your list of “accomplished blacks”; because blacks are so very accomplished. It’s sad to watch.

    Fred neglects to include the scenario he wrote about in just his preceding blog post: The Turner Diaries solution. Violent uprising against the government culminating in the victorious peasants with pitchforks hanging their enemies from lamp posts. I am guessing that is probably his most yearned for outcome. After all in his demented, paranoid mind it is not just blacks who are the mortal enemies. There are also all those white feminists, anti-racists, homos, do-gooders, social justice warriors, evolutionists et al who have taken over the gummint.

    Libs, especially the psycho kind like Bliss, are fond of projecting their lurid fantasies and nightmares on others. Tends to justify their genocidalist leanings.

    For this, he was killed – some cigars and a brief non-weapon assault?

    My first instinct was to announce the hope that Art’s mother, wife, girlfriend, sister, or other female loved one could have the opportunity to show us how it’s done. E.g., first make sure she has no firearm or weapon, and then subject her to a “brief non-weapon assault” from a 6’5″, 300 lb. belligerent. But then my basic humanity kicked in – why should any of these innocents be subjected to Art’s stupidity? Let Art be the test subject.

    In the last seconds Wilson asked himself if he had a legal kill – his answer was yes – then he did it.

    Art is so dumb, he thinks making legal decisions in a deliberate way (“can I use lethal force here?”) makes them illegal decisions.

    Brown had no weapon – Brown had five bullets in him – Wilson had the whole world to retreat too – he had backup on the way – he was NOT in imminent danger – but Wilson chose to shot to kill.

    Those are the unvarnished facts.

    I’d mention “stand your ground” to Art, but he’s too dumb to comprehend the concept, so why bother?

    Name an African country that designed and manufactured an aircraft, automobile, or ship in the 20th Century.

    LOL.

    (Ashkenazi Jews have average IQ’s about 110-115 but they are not a large population.)

    More like 107-108. The higher means come from surveys of diaspora. Israeli Ashkenazi mean is about 104.

    Lots of them. Service caliber pistol bullets don’t have “knock down power,” as many seem to believe. They possess only a fraction of the energy of high powered rifle bullets, and unless you’re hit somewhere in the central nervous system, you’re not going to just drop dead from being shot by a policeman. It takes a few moments to bleed out when one has sustained a mortal wound from being shot with a service pistol. And, ff nothing vital is hit, you live. Many people have been shot multiple times and lived to tell the tale. A determined foe can keep coming; it’s happened many times before.

    I’ve posted this (including a link to the FBI study that goes into great detail) at least 3 or 4 times since the Zimmerman Flap. The morons don’t care. They’re too stupid to care.

    (I despise the police, by the way)

    That’s what’s so funny about this conversation. I’m very anti-authoritarian, and while I do not “despise” the police, I certainly have no warm feelings toward them. But the anti-cop nuts are so completely nuts that I find myself defending the cops anyway. They’re human beings, but the anti-cop nuts act as though they’re not. They have no sympathy for what cops have to deal with, and treat them as subhumans, or something.

    This is about a white person who defends himself with a gun. The real reason the libs and the blacks are so angry is because some white guy shot a black guy instead of allowing himself to be killed.

    Pretty much.

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  126. @FB

    If Michael Brown had been white, and circumstances were exactly the same, it would have been ruled a justified shooting and that would have been the end of it. There would have been NO Grand Jury proceeding.

  127. Bliss says:
    @The Anti-Gnostic

    What we are good at is being white Americans, and creating a society that’s a magnet for high-g people from all over the world.

    Now you are changing your story to culture trumps IQ . Why all this obsession with IQ then?

    Secondly, you all need to stop generalizing “white americans” when what you really mean is WASP americans.

    Thirdly, WASP americans, who are descended from the underclass of England, themselves to a great extent imitated the society created by the Norman French upper class of England.

    If you think white Jim Crow was bad, wait until it’s wielded by people who don’t carry around any guilt from American slavery.

    Certainly that is the wet dream of your ilk. The world has already seen, and deemed as pure evil, what your kind is capable of. Hitler was inspired by the same american racists that inspire you. What happened to the nazis? You all don’t seem to drawn the correct lesson from that.

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    , @Truth
  128. @Bliss

    When are you going to tell us about the African countries who designed and manufactured state-of-the art aircraft, automobiles, and ships in the 20th Century? And the pioneering work by Africans on television and computer technology?

  129. Sandals says:

    @Bliss:

    I’m a Slav. You know: The group that were so often enslaved by other groups that we gave our name to the word “slave.” 😉

    Slavs:

    You should know that most white Americans see Greeks, Arabs and north Africans as “definitely not white,” and Slavs (including Serbs), Italians and (to a lesser extent) Irish as “only kinda sorta white.” I know this from being the uh beneficiary 😉 of it over the years.

    (From now on I’ll use the term “non-central whites” to mean those of us seen as “white” by black people but not by western-European-ancestry white people. And “central whites” for those western European white people.)

    You ask: “How the heck do you all still manage to get off on your status in the IQ [hierarchy]?”

    Why are you so sure they do?

    You’re focusing so tightly on your own concerns that you’re overlooking those of others. You’re so focused on your concerns about people perhaps emotionally enjoying their group’s on-average IQ advantage over black people…that you don’t consider that *their* concerns may not have much at all to do with comparing their group to black people.

    I’ll pause here and quote Education Realist (https://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2012/08/19/algebra-and-the-pointlessness-of-the-whole-damn-thing/#comment-571):

    “[W]hen people speak of genetic differences, most non-scientists (and I count myself among that group) think of a causal relationship. That is, being black *causes* low IQ,or being Asian *causes* high IQ.

    “Instead, what seems at least likely is that the *distribution* of IQs is different because of the environments and the selection for fluid intelligence. That is, a high IQ person can be of any race, but occurs more frequently in some races.

    “This distinction is lost, I think, with the words “genetic component to intelligence”.”

    I’ll take her word for it that “most non-scientists” think that, because I’m also not a scientist but I…not only don’t think that, but it *would never occur to me to think that why would you ever think that WTF BBQ*. 😉

    No but seriously, I really don’t understand why anyone would think the former. I can’t follow the thought process there (oh well, not understanding one thing won’t kill me). I think the latter: different distributions.

    I’m not a neo-Nazi (duh: the Nazis planned to work the Slavs to death as soon as they were done with the Jews). I *am* a HBDer, as described above.

    In my case it’s because when I was a kid, the teachers were so committed to anti-HBD that they felt a need to attack all children with high IQs. Their thought process went something like this: “No child is allowed to have a high IQ, because that would mean IQ was real, which would mean HBD was true.” So again, they bullied high-IQ kids to try to get them to uh stop having high IQs.

    For a kid that’s kind of impossible. It’s just like trying to get a kid to stop being good at music or sports or dance (see: Billy Elliott). You can’t even produce a well-adjusted kid who just hides their talent. (Contra Chris Rock, “hiding it” didn’t work for smart American slaves, either: Look at Frederick Douglass. Remember how he said he almost got himself beaten to death, because he couldn’t hide his smarts?)

    So all their bullying did is draw my attention to the issue. Why was it so offensive to them for me to be myself? Why was it so important to them to believe kids like me didn’t exist?

    I ultimately realized the answer was: their HBD denial.

    Their opposition to ability grouping had the same root. When you read the various court cases on segregation and honors classes… I’d write about it, but Education Realist already has (http://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/finding-the-bad-old-days/):

    “In [Larry P. v.] Riles, Judge Robert Peckham banned all IQ testing of blacks in California for educational purposes. He later extended the ruling even if black parents requested testing, but later withdrew that order. Peckham’s reasoning is much like the other judges who believed in cultural bias:

    “‘Even if it is assumed that black children have a 15 percent higher incidence of mild mental retardation than white children, there is still less than a one in a million chance that a color-blind system would have produced this disproportionate enrollment. If it is assumed that black children have a 50 percent greater incidence of this type of mental retardation, there is still less than a one in 100,000 chance that the enrollment could be so skewed towards black children.’

    “Notice the reasoning: of course it’s not possible that blacks have a 50% greater incidence of an IQ below 75. Except it’s worse than that….

    “[A]t the time of Peckham’s decision, blacks didn’t have a 50% higher chance of an IQ below 75, but rather a several hundred percent higher chance, a chance that is still in the triple digits today. Peckham couldn’t even begin to envision such a possibility, and so no IQ testing for blacks in California.”

    As a Slav myself, I *personally and in detail* understand the difficulties experienced by high-scoring members of a generally-lower-scoring group. Classes and schools created for high scorers are also, whether intentionally or not, designed for the *personality* and *culture* of the higher-scoring group–not just their *intellectual level*.

    I mean, of course they are. You collect a group of kids to teach, you design the class so it works for most of them. Why wouldn’t you? The problem is, when most in the class are Group A and Group A tends toward Personality X…then the few in the class who are members of Group B, which tends toward Personality Not-X, are gonna have problems.

    (People often forget this, but that was the original rationale for affirmative action. Not “a level playing field for those who are only under-performing due to discrimination.” No; the rationale was to *put more members of Group B into the corridors of power so they would alter the uh corridors-of-power culture to be more congenial to Group B*. No wonder that’s what was wanted: What it’s supposed to change is exactly what high-scoring members of Group B complained about. As well they should: It’s *true*.)

    So. Some of these things really *should* be openly noted and addressed. (And with others, practicality demands that we relatively few high scorers will need to just cope with them on our own–unfair as that *genuinely* is.)

    Most of the people who’ve been arguing for addressing these problems are one subgroup of old-school anti-racists, of whom Lisa Delpit (Other People’s Children) is representative. But they’re a subgroup who’ve been drowned out and attacked as “racist” by HBD denialists. HBD denialism is one of the things preventing these problems from being addressed.

    One which *really* should be openly noted and addressed is Jensen’s 1971 discovery that some cognitive skills (what he calls “Level I”; basically, memorization ability) do not correlate with g (what he calls “Level II”) in black people nearly to the extent that they do in white (and Asian) people ttp://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED060577.pdf):

    “The slope of the regression line and the correlation between Level I [memorization] and Level II [g] abilities differs from one subpopulation group to another…. It is especially lower among Negroes as compared with whites. In various studies the correlation between Levels I and II have ranged from .10 to .40 in low SES groups, comprised largely of Negro children, and from .50 to .70 in middle SES groups comprised largely of white children. (However, a sample of Oriental-American children, although of lower SES than the white sample, showed an even higher correlation between Levels I and II than was found in the white sample.) […]

    “It is not uncommon, for example, to find low SES Negro children with IQs below 60 who perform in the average range or above on Level I tests. Yet their counterparts in this respect are exceedingly rare among low IQ middle and upper-middle class white children, who almost always perform well below the average on Level I tests….

    “In attempting to understand these findings, our first thought was that the Level II tests were more culturally biased against low SES individuals and that therefore, for any given IQ, the low SES person was really more intelligent than the high SES person, and this difference would show up in the presumably less culture-biased Level I tests. In short, I at first thought I had found in my Level I tests a culture-free or a culture-fair means of measuring intelligence.”

    I’ll interject that this assumption is one most schools have adopted today. There’s now a large market for tests that only test “Level I” skills. The Woodcock-Johnson is one. As others (like Dr. James Thompson) have pointed out, it still is somewhat g-loaded. But–more so for East Asians and central whites.

    As schools have relied more and more on “Level I only” tests in the sincere hope of being less discriminatory…

    They’ve harmed high-g blacks and non-central whites.

    Jensen goes on:

    “But what we did not expect to find before we finally tested children in adequately large numbers throughout the entire range of IQ [15,000 children] is…[black children] with high IQs perform significantly less well [on non-g cognitive skills AKA Level I] than their middle SES counterparts in IQ. This came as something of a surprise, but it is now based on such substantial evidence that its factual status is beyond reasonable doubt.”

    Yeah, if a study of *15 thousand* children selected to be representative of the general population found this, I’d *say* it’s beyond reasonable doubt!

    So again: White people and “white-oriented” schools tend to see someone good at memorization and assume that person is high in g. And for western Europeans (and, even more so, east Asians), that’s usually true. Not for black people. And, as Jensen was surprised to find, black people (and, to overgeneralize wildly from my own single data point, non-central whites too) who *are* high in g often are *not* good at memorization.

    Which means high-g black people are more likely to go undetected in white-oriented schools and to have the problems described here:

    http://www4.ncsu.edu/unity/lockers/users/f/felder/public/Columns/Susanglenda.html

    I had the problems Felder describes too. I always knew what I was doing was using my high ability to see patterns (g) to compensate for my relatively poor memory. So IMO that’s what a “global thinker” really is.

    (The reason Felder is able to say global thinkers’ pattern recognition ability is so valuable is because the only way this works, the only way it actually does compensate and enable you to learn, is if your pattern recognition is far above average. Otherwise, you’re just a scatterbrain. 😉 )

    I agree with Felder that schools should be changed to be more hospitable to what he calls “global learners,” and what Jensen calls high-g individuals who are not high in non-g cognitive skills.

    Note that as Felder points out, one of those problems is people constantly accusing you of cheating and assuming you can’t really be as smart as you are. (Teachers were always telling me I wasn’t smart, just “creative.” Right before I took the SAT in 7th grade as part of JHU’s Talent Search, they *in sincere concern for my feelings* warned me not to be too disappointed when I didn’t qualify for the summer programs (whose cutoff was then 99.5th percentile for age). Boy were they surprised when I qualified for not just for the summer programs but also for SET (99.99th+ percentile for age, 700+ on an SAT subtest before age 13).)

    For the person on the receiving end, this problem is easy to confuse with a “your group is stupid” prejudice (which central whites totally do have, about Slavs and blacks both). I’m sure in my case sometimes it was one, sometimes the other, sometimes both.

    So, again: Schools’ sincere desire to be non-discriminatory has unfortunately led them to emphasize “Level I”/non-g cognitive abilities *even more*, at the expense of g. And the people most harmed by that are high-g black people.

    (People like, say, Benjamin Watson, author of that viral Facebook post on Ferguson: http://www.newsday.com/sports/football/benjamin-watson-new-orleans-saints-te-has-ferguson-facebook-message-go-viral-1.9655172 –he has the third highest Wonderlic score in the NFL, a basically-ceiling score, IIRC equivalent to a deviation IQ of about 155+ or…again the 99.99th+ percentile.)

    Second most harmed are high-g non-central whites like me. I initially cared–heck, I initially *noticed the problem at all*–because of how *I* was harmed. Now that I know about it, I also care about my black, uh, “g-mates” 😉 who are similarly harmed. (Well, and why *wouldn’t* I care about other people with *the exact same problem as me*?)

    I have an extremely hard time telling the difference, in in-person interaction, between deviation IQs below 130. Everyone in that group (IOW, the vast majority of humanity) is very different from me. I really don’t personally care if one group’s mean is several points or even a standard deviation away from another group’s. AFAIC, *my* “group” is the high-g of all races. And that group is harmed by HBD denialism.

    That’s why *I’m* a HBDer.

    (I suspect variations on that are also why most high-g HBDers are. Yeah, even those who ultimately decided to affiliate themselves with “ordinary people” as Steve Sailer has–I think it’s still the experience of being very high-g that initially taught them the reality of g.)

    Well, I hope this was clear. I’m not a verbal or even a visual thinker, I’m a kinesthetic thinker (like many Slavs; http://studyingstyle.com/tactile-kinesthetic-learners.html), so everything I say is basically a translation from those nonverbal thoughts. As hard as I try, sometimes the translation just…makes no sense. So, apologies in advance if that’s the case. 😉

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  130. Svigor says:

    Now you are changing your story to culture trumps IQ . Why all this obsession with IQ then?

    It doesn’t boil down to a simple, straightforward statement, so I know it’ll be too complex for you, but…

    You can’t nurture a nature that isn’t there. You can’t make a sunflower grow as big and tall as a redwood, regardless of environment. You can, on the other hand, manipulate the redwood’s environment to make sure that it grows no taller than a sunflower. This doesn’t mean environment is supreme, much as you’d like it to.

    Which is not to say that Russians’ problem isn’t at least partly genetic. Intra-white variation in mean IQ/behavioral genetics is likely.

  131. Svigor says:

    Certainly that is the wet dream of your ilk. The world has already seen, and deemed as pure evil, what your kind is capable of. Hitler was inspired by the same american [sic] racists that [sic] inspire you. What happened to the nazis [sic]? You all don’t seem to drawn [sic] the correct lesson from that.

    The world has already seen, and deemed as pure evil, what your kind is capable of. Stalin was inspired by the same “anti-racists” who inspire you. What happened to the commies? You “anti-racists” don’t seem to draw the correct lesson from that.

    P.S., love the “capable of” thing. Like “anti-racists” and the left haven’t amply demonstrated what they’re “capable” of. Their death tallies make the right look like amateurs.

  132. Stealth says:

    You should know that most white Americans see Greeks, Arabs and north Africans as “definitely not white,” and Slavs (including Serbs), Italians and (to a lesser extent) Irish as “only kinda sorta white.”

    Nobody considers the Irish non-white – nobody. That’s crazy. For God’s sake, they and the Scottish are the whitest people on Earth. Who have you ever heard make the claim that Irish people aren’t white? What else would they be, transparent? On that note, I’ve never heard anyone claim that Poles and Russians aren’t white. If you’re Caucasian and from Europe, congratulations, you are officially part of the dying race known as white people.

    One final note: I’m a REALLY white American (although you might not consider me as such because I have my share of Irish blood), and I consider Greeks, Italians (yes, those southern ones), and Mediterranean peoples to be white. You can throw the Turks in there, too, while you’re at it.

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  133. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    Those Olmec heads look like south western Amerindians. The Sphinx was built by Caucasiods. Are you a product of poor education, deluded, low cognitive ability, with out Internet access, or some combination ?

    You are clearly blissfully ignorant

  134. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Bliss

    Wow African Americans are as intelligent as inbred backwards Western Asian tribes people?

  135. Beach says:

    @122- Take your slobbering porn to an appropriate forum. You are an utter fantacist.

  136. Sandals says:

    @Stealth:

    WRT your Irish question:
    http://chnm.gmu.edu/exploring/19thcentury/alienmenace/pop_cartoons.html

    A general comment: I’ve noticed that the targets of ethnic stereotyping/hostility experience it often enough that they can end up feeling like everyone in the uh “aiming” group has heard of the stereotype, even when that’s not true. For example, I didn’t understand the “watermelons on the White House lawn” e-mail that was infamously sent around in 2008. I just wasn’t familiar with the stereotype of “black people liking watermelon.” Many black people I spoke with, OTOH, had had the stereotype thrown at them so often that it felt to them like all “white” people surely knew the stereotype.

    So, maybe you are part of the group that doesn’t hold these views. But, those who do hold these views do exist: I know from experience. 😉

    A more specific reply: My parents mistakenly thought that a private school would be better for me, so they practically bankrupted themselves to send me to one. This was in the ’80s, and the hierarchy was clear to every kid there. (And yes, this was the *same* school with the denialist teachers. Perhaps it was their intense awareness of, and/or subtle belief in, the stereotypes that made them feel such a “need” to deny HBD.)

    This was the same hierarchy that appears in ’50s and ’60s studies of Americans’ views of ethnicity, namely: WASP -> German -> other non-black, non-Indio Protestant (Scandinavian, Huguenot, etc.) -> Irish -> Italian -> Slav -> Hispanic -> black.

    People still remembered that Kennedy had had trouble getting elected president due to being Catholic and (implied) “ethnic.” But yes, the Irish were ahead of the rest of the Catholics in being accepted.

    Jews and Asians were kind of outside the hierarchy, seen as another creature entirely. I’ll add that way back when (like, the ’30s and earlier), both groups were seen as “Orientals” (see this article *from* the ’30s: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1934/10/my-friend-the-jew/306260/?single_page=true), and this may have been the last gasp of that view.

    See Michael Novak’s The Rise of the Unmeltable Ethnics (1972) for a ’70s view. Similarly, here’s another Slav’s memoir: http://www.thescreamonline.com/essays/essays2-1/silence.html

    “At bookstores I became acquainted with the little laugh. ‘No, we don’t have books on a ha Poland.’ ‘Oh, so you’re a ha Polish?’

    “The jokes were unequivocal in their assessment of what it meant to be me. ‘How do you know your house has been robbed by a [Pole]? The garbage can is empty and the dog is pregnant.’ ‘How do you know if a Polish girl has her period? She’s wearing only one sock.’ ‘What is the pile of manure for at a Polish wedding? To keep the flies off the bride.’”

    Another joke *I* remember, which was targeted sometimes at Italians as well: “What do you call a [Slav | Italian] who marries a black person? A social climber.”

    And, one I heard recently: “What did the Mexican and the Slav name their baby? Retardo.”

    Again, those with this view exist, even if you’re not one of them. 😉

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    , @Bob
  137. Beach says:

    Er, fantasist. Nonetheless, needlessly offensive.

  138. Jay says:

    IQ is only part of the problem of black anti-social behavior. The higher frequency of the 3R allele at the MAO-A locus is at least as much of a cause. Scroll down on this Wiki page to find the explanation.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A

  139. Stealth says:
    @Sandals

    At no point in the page you linked to is there a quote by anyone who states that he or she doesn’t consider the Irish to be white. It just said that some historians “have argued” that people didn’t consider them white. The fact that cartoonists compared them to apes is not equivalent. George W. Bush was roundly known and mocked for his primate-like appearance. Nonwhite?

    As far as this hierarchy among whites you mentioned, it in no way implies that WASPs are “whiter” than Germans or Scandinavians. I’m quite sure that if I moved to New England, I would be pretty low on the local hierarchy because of my thick Southern accent. Actually, scratch that; I know I would be. On a recent excursion into that territory, I experienced a few stares at a restaurant by two awful high society old ladies at an adjacent table who obviously felt that I should not have walked in the door. They even kept staring when I looked them in the eyes. I doubt they considered me nonwhite, however.

    PS, I have indeed heard from other sources that the Irish were not considered white. I considered it BS then, and I still do. It sounds a lot like someone trying to get in on the victimhood bandwagon.

  140. bomag [AKA "doombuggy"] says:

    The @122 fetish comment highlights that the apologists toggle between two stances:

    1) We are all equal; Blacks are just like everyone else; kumbaya.

    or:

    2) Blacks are a superior specimen; they will naturally rule the Earth; lay down and die you lesser beings.

    If one line of argument doesn’t work, then jump to the other.

  141. No one would ever mistake Irish as being not white. That whole trope is disingenuous. Ireland is the most Northwest place in Europe (excepting Iceland), and they are its palest people.

    Polack jokes were popular in the 70s. The jokes had as a punchline a stupid Polack, and the jokes themselves were dumb. It has been suggested that those jokes, and the idea of dumb Poles in general, was spread by their old friends the jews. Even by American standards, Poles are very white. Russians and other Slavs, is it not the case that the bulk of their immigration is more recent, more 20th century than 19th? That would explain their feelings of being on the outside.

    In any case, the white American is now very much on the retreat. And that is really putting it in the best of terms. Suggesting that they are retreating is giving them the benefit of the doubt in terms of cohesion and collective action. Certainly today Russian arrivals are much more likely not to assimilate into white America, because what is there to assimilate to.

    *********

    I am not optimistic about white America. The people are very much beat down and broken. At the mall for instance, on this holiday weekend. Now of course that is perhaps not the most excellent sample of the population. It very well may be the case that white Americans who go the mall are the lost ones, and that the brown and blacks there, are less of a slanted sample of their groups and perhaps even they are a sample of their better types, going to the mall to enjoy the spectacle of the trampled whites.

    But still, judging by appearances, in that setting. The white people are not looking good. And it’s not just the obesity factor and the shabby clothes. Their very physical health and their faces are sickly. Whereas Middle Easterners and Asians and even the local blacks are wearing suitable clothes and are alive.

    The white people are being beaten and they look the part, and the others are coming and taken over and having some fun doing it. And what’s not to like? the white chicks in sweat pants up for grabs, what can their old men do.

    • Replies: @Stealth
    , @pseudo
  142. @Bliss

    Because you stupid bliss of GEOGRAPHY
    Northern europeans were more than a thousand miles NORTH and that distance in those days was ten times today

  143. Truth says:
    @Anonymous

    havnt you noticed some people are too stupid to recognize their limitations blacks have very high self esteem but are to stupid to realize the charade about there being no such thing as IQ is a charade

    Why does this so often come, from the morons who can’t punctuate a sentence.

  144. Truth says:
    @Bliss

    Svigor says:
    November 30, 2014 at 12:45 am GMT

    People who whine about the treatment of Chinese in western societies are racists (pro-non-white racists, anti-white racists, or both). China slams its doors in the face of whites. They don’t even let us into their societies…

    Dude, you must spend 2 hours on some of these responses; and you make like 10-15 of them a day, on various posts, and have since at least 2006 when I found this site. You consistently spend A COUPLE OF HOURS A DAY ON A WEB SITE WHINING, ALTERNATIVELY, (and repetitively) ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE, AND THEN ABOUT HOW WHITE SOCIETY IS GOING TO SHIT…

    And then you wonder why white society is going to shit?

  145. Stealth says:
    @Suburban_elk

    It very well may be the case that white Americans who go the mall are the lost ones, and that the brown and blacks there,

    This has always been the case. Indoor malls are thought of as tacky, and they attract tacky whites. It’s one of those places where you won’t find many trim, well-dressed white people. Chinese buffets also seem to be devoid of such whites and tend to be patronized by blacks, Latinos, and the kind of overweight white people who wear legible tee-shirts and white sneakers at the age of 40.

    “Respectable” (for lack of a better word) white people tend to be private and hide out rather than hang out. Not every white person who is middle class or above is like this, but most are, and it’s the most crucial difference in social behavior between white people and nonwhites.

    If you’ll notice, most white people, especially women, are not nearly as engaging with strangers (even white ones) as blacks and Hispanics. Whites get to know people through other people, not through encounters with strangers out in public. This is probably the biggest cause of white social atomization and fragmentation. It is certainly an egregious impediment to getting to know members of the opposite sex.

  146. Seer says:

    It IS bullshit that the Irish were not considered white. If they were not considered white, why did Margaret Mitchell feature an Irish family as the plantation-owning protagonists of Gone With The Wind? She wrote the book based on family stories from the ante-belllum South.

    • Replies: @Jon
  147. Marty [AKA "wick"] says:

    @sandals:

    WASPs don’t view Italians as anything but fully white. In past decades many Mayflower types certainly viewed Italians as lesser types, low-class, or parvenus lacking taste whom they wouldn’t wish to dine with at the country club, but surely you know that’s not the same thing. Take a specific example. The apex of WASP society in California are the San Francisco Golf Club and the Cypress Point Club. The vice-president of the United States Golf Association, Frank Tatum (a member of the former) described the Cypress Point course as “the Sistine Chapel of Golf.” Would a high-WASP use that formulation if Italy had been populated by something other than whites? I leave it to you.

    • Replies: @WhatEvvs
  148. TWS says:
    @Art

    No dumb fuck he was killed for felony assault on a police officer inside the officer’s vehicle. You, I or anyone could fire six rounds in less than three seconds. Tell me, how do you protect yourself while you are retreating? How can you retreat when he is ‘charging like a football player‘?

    You can’t and you don’t. Did officer Wilson believe under those circumstances he could legally use lethal force against Brown? Hell yes. So did the GJ, so did the Feds, so does the law. He knew he could legally shoot Brown because Brown was committing felony assault. That’s the law and if Brown assaulted you, you could have shot him.

    It was the felony assault and robbery (although he could have legally been shot to prevent either in most states), it was the felony assault on the police officer and continued assault.

    Try this. Let somebody Brown’s size clobber you as hard as he can in the head then you fire six rounds quickly as you can towards your target. Let us know how many hit in the ten circle. Or try running backwards as you try to protect yourself with your bell rung. Quit spewing about something you know less than nothing about.

  149. AlMiller says:
    @Fran Macadam

    What kind of hell would that make? Do you think it would improve the world? Totally crazed.

  150. @ TomB- I appreciate your response. Your reviews are well thought out. I actually hope that you’re right. I don’t hate anyone and would much rather people learn to live together than Balkanize, especially considering the vulnerability of my own group. But really I do value America, and not just as a place to get rich in ( like many Chinese-Americans seem to do) but because of its history and values- if it takes a white majority to keep that intact then so be it. The odd redneck using Japanese/Chinese/Korean interchangeably is not a serious problem, and Asians who bitch about that stuff are almost always lying narcissists. It’s having my head bashed into concrete, or having my earnings taken from me by a rapacious government that actually is worrisome. That’s the entire reason my family left Malaysia to begin with. The Malays had the same kind of warped, racist attitudes we see in many blacks, so they actually gave themselves, THE MAJORITY affirmative action: Nevermind the fact that we were the minority, that it was not us who had conquered them, and that the Malay culture doesn’t reward thrift or study. Anyway sorry to ramble. Again I hope your worldview is the one vindicated.

    @Bliss
    You are surely aware that you have proved my point aren’t you? I don’t need to deflect to events from 1906. I am living in the present in which no white person has even do much as threatened violence against me or anyone I know. What happened in 1880 doesn’t factor into what we’re dealing with now. Redneck type whites have actually helped me quite a bit- for example a guy who says he is a ” proud Hoosier” taught me how to change my oil recently. And that’s supposed to be the most racist archetype of them all.

    As far as Singapore goes, there are pros and cons. Having silent considerable time there I will say this: Singapore is a very safe society, but it’s also very repressive in some regards. It’s a great “drill work” society. Very productive, very secure. But at the same time it’s about perfecting what already exists. It’s the white countries that tend to innovate ( in most technology areas, that is. Blacks tend to innovate in some areas of popular entertainment).

    I think that while NE Asians have higher I.q.s on average, I don’t think that tells the entire story. Asians tend to excel at logic, but lack creativity. I consider myself much more creative than most Asians, but that also ruffles feathers at times. When Asians are in a group, there is so much emphasis on harmony that innovation can be somewhat stifled, and guys like me who stand out are pressured to conform.

    So it’s not as though these white guys should feel inadequate or something. For that matter high I.q. People of any race should not be threatened by this conversation, any more than I’m threatened by a discussion of differences in muscle mass between groups ( where my group is clearly at the bottom). I managed to exercise, lift, and got string despite the general trends observable among groups.

    • Replies: @TomB
    , @WhatEvvs
  151. TomB says:
    @St. Louis Asian

    wrote:

    It’s having my head bashed into concrete, or having my earnings taken from me by a rapacious government that actually is worrisome. That’s the entire reason my family left Malaysia to begin with.

    Hi again, St. Louis:

    Yeah, and part of the problem here undeniably is that we’ve made such progress on race/ethnic relations, and that the *really* bad old days are so (relatively) far behind us, that it’s forgotten that, in the main, our instances of racism and etc. are in general just laughably mild compared to what’s seen elsewhere.

    And once again I hold our media responsible for same. Its own PC values seem to be that simultaneously with exaggerating and inflaming every alleged act or instance of racism here with a feeling that it’s some sort of sin to point out where it exists elsewhere by non-Western whites.

    For instance, who in the West has even a *hint* of the anti-Chinese racism you note that exists in Malaysia and Indonesia? Who knows even a hint of the *thousands* killed in the latter in all the rioting just as recently as 1998? And all the property-and-wealth thieving perpetrated on an almost chronic basis against the Chinese in both countries?

    You ought to write a book about your family’s experience: Not only interesting from the perspective of an American, but is something *needed* as a remembrance and piece of hope by the legions of your ethnic kin in SE Asia who can seem forgotten.

    Been a pleasure corresponding with you, my friend. Best of luck to you and your family and delighted you all made it here.

    (Now get down to writing that book! And I mean it!)

  152. @Svigor

    China slams its doors in the face of whites. They don’t even let us into their societies

    Oh, really?

    Your spiritual brother, John Derbyshire, got himself a bride from China…. and yet you nag and whine!

  153. Corvinus says:

    “If you’re Caucasian and from Europe, congratulations, you are officially part of the dying race known as white people.”

    The white race, or white people, is NOT dying. They have been, or will continue to be, in positions of authority.

  154. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    Since when did the job description of police officers include running away from violent criminals?

    People may choose to defer to a violent criminal for their own safety but they are under no obligation to do so for the sake of the offender.

  155. Bob says:
    @Sandals

    How do you know if a Polish girl has her period? She’s wearing only one sock.

    You think Polack jokes are evidence of white racism against Poles/slavs? Are you insensate in your stupidity? Polack jokes are goyim jokes—when the shtettlites headed out from the Pale of Settlement for our fair shores, they brought their charming folk hatred of the goyim/Polacks/slavs with them. It seemed wise to them to say Polack rather than goyim in telling their cute stories on the American comedy circuit, though. Jews really, really don’t like you slavs. Well, they like to traffic your girls, and they like to have them work in their brothels. But that’s a whole different kind of like.

    You’re kinda proving them right with your whole “white people hates us slavs” schtick, though. Dumb, dumb, stupid, dumb, dumb.

    Just hang around unz.com for the next time the Ukraine comes up. See exactly what kind of commenter is promoting the whole “Russians are subhumans” concept.

    • Replies: @Joe Webb
  156. pseudo says:

    At the end of the Civil War, Pres. Lincoln wanted to round up as many blacks as possible and ship them back whence they came, to Africa. He felt sympathy for them but knew that this was a white country and blacks were a foreign, alien if you will, breed of mankind and the 2 races would never get along peacefully. However, he also knew it would be impossible , logistically, to carry out the plan. Who knows, he might have attempted it–had he lived. He was assassinated soon afterwards. The crucial situation America is in now , with blacks reverting to constant savagery (and liberal white wackos siding with them), disrupting any balance achieved with Civil Rights, presents a choice of two “solutions”: do what was impossible in the 19th Century and round them up and send them to any countries (African continent} who would accept them; sums of money to both the deported people and to the recipient country/continent. The blacks such as Thos. Sowell et al would be exceptions. To deport all blacks would not be necessary nor possible. The #2 choice is of course, status quo–continue with pacification (of both blacks and liberal defenders) until every city is in flames and CWII occurs. In other words, complete anarchy at which point Russia or China would enter the picture ,and America would be…..over.

  157. TomB-

    That’s very much appreciated! It means a lot, coming from a knowledgable person such as yourself.

    I was fortunate that we left when we did. Otherwise I probably would not have been able to attend college. I definitely think my family’s story would be interesting to a lot of people. It’s sad though. We left Guangzhou after the opium war and lived in Malaysia for 150 years, only to be driven out by resentment.

    Anyway, thanks for the encouragement!

  158. pseudo says:
    @Suburban_elk

    Suburban Elk, you are right. And it has reached the point where whites are denouncing themselves! I visit a site called Cambria Will Not Yield. It gives me some hope.

  159. Gene says:

    I think I once wrote an e-mail to Mr. Reed about this subject.
    I don’t think blacks are as dumb as they act or pretend to be. They can afford to act like idiots because of our generous welfare state.

    “Afterward, what? Blacks as Palestinians and whites as Israelis? The country would never recover.”

    Now, that really struck a cord with me. Many blacks are converting to Islam. Maybe the present conditions are not ripe. However, if some right wing pol restricted welfare access to blacks and a bunch of white KKK wannabes give blacks a taste of their own medicine, I can imagine blacks turning to terrorism to make our lives miserable. Remember, the Nigerians have more black blood and have really done a nasty job in their own country.

  160. Joe Webb says:

    I notice that Fred elides the issue of Mexicans in this piece. I have heard him before, at an American Renaissance conference a few years ago, go on and on about how great Mexico is. I understand that he is married to a Mexican. His wife could be very White, as in Spanish, or a mixed blood mestizo.

    Mexican mestizo IQ in 90, while Mexican Indian IQ is 83 (Lynn, IQ and Global Inequality).

    I live in Silicon Valley and interact with many Mexicans in cafes , etc, as they are increasingly replacing White working class workers. This replacement is a huge problem for our White race as it denies young Whites work experience, and of course, forces young White working class folks to leave the high-rent areas like the SF peninsula. (mexicans pack two or more families into houses and apartments, violating health and safety rules, etc. I one complained to San Mateo Co. Health dept and was told, “what do you want us to do ? turn into the Gestapo?”) And what about the sewer taxes?

    But this is an aside. We are building a new jail in Redwood City for the Mexicans. The welfare rolls, the education costs, etc. are huge. And there is no economic benefit therefrom..etc.

    I know that Ron Unz wrote a piece a while back on how mexicans do not do much more crime than Whites. I challenge that , and I have done local crime studies, that have Mexicans doing 3 to 4 times more crime in San Mateo and Santa Clara counties than Whites. Of course, there are more mexican “youth” on the peninsula, etc. However, almost every day in the local paper it is mostly mexican crime and some black crime (only @ 20,000 blacks left in San Mateo per census.)

    So, Fred’s apparent avoidance of the mexican problem in this article seems to be an evasion, from my perspective.

    I do notice that the Mexicans I come in contact with are friendly, as well as deferential. This is part of their racial and genetic tendency to subordinate themselves to authority. So far, Whites have the Authority. However when Mexicans can outvote us, it will be a different story.

    I know a long time employer of mexicans in a small factory in Hollister, CA. He does not reject my IQ material on Mexicans. He recognizes it. But what is interesting is his perception that Mexicans need a Patrone, a Jefe, the chief. His women employees cluster around him and accept his sexual remarks, which are not crude, but are sexual…how does she look? he says to me in front of them…I say of course that she is charming. etc.

    So, when the bottom 20% of Mexicans is considered….we are in danger. I don’t have to go into the Mexico hell except to point out that This Is Mexicans…and that Mexico will never be anything but Mexico, and probably worse, as it appears from the general news from Mexico. Corruption is the name of the game.

    An important distinction between a politics of Principle and a politics of Friendship was given to me years ago. The collectivistic races operate on the Friendship or crony model . Whites of course disdain nepotism, etc. Collectivistic races value family and crony connections/networks.

    So, I think Fred is not on Everything here…he forgets Mexicans.

    Joe Webb

  161. Joe Webb says:
    @Bob

    I have always assumed that the Polack jokes are a creation of the Jews. Any history of the Jews is always way off mark without the centuries they lived in Poland and exploited the peasants for the corrupt Polish nobility….Jews never learned Polish, etc.

    The hatred of Jews for the goyim in our
    times never gets recognized but it is everywhere and for all time. Joe Webb

  162. Jon says:
    @Bliss

    Good one. For as long as you insist upon affirmative action, specious ranking of AA’s to the top of any field will be illegitimate in the collective mind of the world outside of excruciatingly PC Universities and Media orgs, which will spin all politics and science to meet their political goals, as well as, ultimately, in the history books. You have to let go of your support net and racially motivated political promotion before anyone will rate you collectively. That’s just the way that it is and will always be. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.

    There are Mexican and South American Universities churning out respectable science in the form of research, theory, and even groundbreaking textbooks. I won’t even broach the next necessary step of differentiating between Mestizo accomplishment and Hispanic accomplishment in those lands, because you wouldn’t like the results. I’ll leave my statements as is, because they effectively counter your ridiculous assumptions. There are zero, or close to zero, Universities on the entire continent of Africa churning out science of any significant weight. You state that African Americans have reached the top in more fields than Slavic Americans, Italian Americans, French Americans, and “southern redneck Americans” (the cultural taxonomy intellectual equivalent of saying “niggers” but I’ll let it slide). Really? That’s your belief and statement? You live in deep, laughably and demonstrably pathetic fantasy on all counts. That’s even ignoring affirmative action. If we choose not to ignore it, your statement becomes more discredited and pathetic.

    African-Americans, aside from recent immigrants, have a significant amount of white blood. The only valid IQ comparison is between unmixed Africans, even if American, and other groups. That being said, you’re a moron if you think that African Americans have higher IQs then, say the Vietnamese. Though, I don’t see the Vietnamese listed in your linked paper. It does have stats for Malaysia and Thailand, however. I’m pretty sure that 92 and 91, respectively, are higher IQ scores than 85. Those countries are also far less violent, have less overpopulation issues, have less non-drug related STD issues, and are more civilized than any black-run country is in Africa. Again, what did you wish to compare?

    No one here disbelieves in evolution. We believe in evolution. In fact, it’s a pillar of our generally held perspectives. Confusing liberal Protestant/Judaic infected mainstream conservatism with people here is a mistake, and a primary sign that you have no idea about the company with whom you are attempting to speak with.

    Your “middle eastern Caucasian” (a contradiction in terms) IQ comparison needs to be ignored for now because of your predictable failure to make a more specific argument. It’s impossible to discern the specifics, and therefore impossible tor respond.

    What did the Olmecs give us again, especially in comparison with Athens (your comparison)? Those heads look like a repeated representation of a single figure that could very well be, and is likely, Mestizo. The angular views especially reveal this probability. Notice the flat, Asiatic face and the less protruding jaw. The cheekbones are especially divergent from any African phenotype of which I am aware. I understand the confusion, though, as Africans do tend to have large lips. Mestizos/some Asians and Africans share similar nasal phenotypes. Are you suggesting that Africans populated America 3000 years ago?

    Your belief in Afrocentric Egypt reveals your fringe bias. DNA testing on Pharaoh mummies proves that Egyptians were essentially white or very close to it. I understand the DNA evidence is likely not enough to sway your beliefs that are needed to justify your place in the west. However, please understand when the world doesn’t join you on-board the crazy train.

  163. Cato says:
    @Dutch Boy

    “… There are many, many more egregious cases of the use of deadly force by the police but I suspect this particular one was chosen to mobilize black voters for the midterm elections.”

    There are indeed many killings by law enforcement, every month, and these are chronicled in Wikipedia. In the month that Michael Brown was killed, there were over 100:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States,_August_2014

  164. Jon says:
    @Fran Macadam

    Try to craft a semantically meaningful sentence next time, moron.

  165. Jon says:
    @Art

    At that point Brown clearly did not have a gun. If he had a weapon he would have used it long before. Just because the law may allow some action – it still has to pass a test of right or wrong, some test of morality. The law says that Wilson had a CHOICE to kill – if he was in imminent danger of losing his life.

    At that point Brown’s head was down and he was clearly wounded. Did Wilson ever step back – NO – he aggressively went for the kill!

    No, dummy.

    You don’t understand the law, and how the law must be structured so that the police can function at their jobs.

    The logic is plain to anyone with a respectable IQ.

    Brown went for Wilson’s gun. The evidence was Brown’s blood on Wilson and the powder burn mark on Brown’s thumb.

    Wilson can now legally assume that anytime Brown gets close to him, that Brown is a threat to Wilson’s life. This necessary assumption is entirely Brown’s fault.

    Brown charged at Wilson. Wilson was justified in shooting him so as not to again allow Brown get close to presumably again try to kill Wilson.

    It’s an open-and-shut case of legal logic.

    There is no legal reasoning to support the assumption that once you act in a manner that justifies the police shooting you, that there is any point in time at which they should stop shooting before you are dead. This isn’t the movies. If you threaten a cops life, he can kill you to completely neutralize any further threat. End of story.

    People like you are an entropic drag on society. Please try to not do much damage while you are still here.

  166. Jon says:
    @Seer

    It IS bullshit that the Irish were not considered white. If they were not considered white, why did Margaret Mitchell feature an Irish family as the plantation-owning protagonists of Gone With The Wind? She wrote the book based on family stories from the ante-belllum South.

    So, fiction is now our yardstick for truth?

    I’m understanding the myth of the Biblical flood more with each passing year.

  167. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:
    @TomB

    In short, I agree with you. Two comments:

    “But what he ignores is not only just how very few people were actually involved in any Ferguson violence or even protest, but then the orders-of-magnitude magnifying effect of our media, with its self-interested bias towards so magnifying and then even inciting conflict and dissent.”

    Whatever, a few people were indeed allowed to burn, loot, riot and destroy the dreams and livelihoods of small family business owners, and no one will pay for this. Not the looters, nor the the pols who allowed this.

    And someone like Barkley, who however much of a grandstander he is, spoke the truth about the looters, is tarred as uncool and an Uncle Tom.

    “And *that’s* the real tragedy here, and the tragedy of Obama.”

    Obama is a scoundrel. I voted for the guy in 2008. I still feel I had no real choice, I had to. He has met with Al Sharpton previously, and after the riots met with the racial arsonist again.

    Freddie’s Fashion Mart. Remember it? He met with the inspiration of Freddie’s Fashion Mart. Crown Heights. Tawana Brawley.

    I don’t think things are getting worse & I disagree with every hyperbolic word Reed wrote.

    But we have a scoundrel in the White House, and racial arsonists in our media.

  168. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:
    @Marty

    Oh stop being silly. The Sistine Chapel wasn’t painted by Sicilian peasants.

    In NYC, even now, among the Park Ave. set, an Italian Catholic would still be considered declasse, whereas a certain kind of very genteel Jew can be a member of the crowd. (Google Nan Kempner.)

    • Replies: @Marty
  169. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:
    @St. Louis Asian

    “Asians tend to excel at logic, but lack creativity.”

    Really? A lot of modern Hollywood is ripped off from Japanese sources, without attribution.

    The history of race in America is too complicated to go into in a comment on a blog, and I’m tired. But briefly, if you knew the whole of it, you’d understand black attitudes of mistrust and alienation.

    This in no way excuses the current unrest. Brown acted insanely and died with his boots on, a soldier of stupidity. Sharpton is a scoundrel. Obama is a scoundrel. Eric Holder is an insufferable scoundrel. Modern whites are not responsible for the past. We’re all just born into it.

    But we’re alive and it’s not the Warsaw Ghetto and it doesn’t help matters any to become hysterical. A dispassionate, clinical view of life is the way to go, whether in Malaysia or the US.

  170. WhatEvvs [AKA "Bemused"] says:
    @St. Louis Asian

    “I wonder if Christianity caused whites to develop a certain way.”

    I think it’s capitalism. The conservatives on these boards are crazy – they believe in family values, but they also believe fervently in capitalism, which destroys them.

  171. When blacks had to work their asses off in the fields, or digging ditches, or picking cotton, they were at least smart enough to realize the importance of education. Read Frederick Douglas or Booker T. Washington. And this was more or less prevalent up until the 60’s and state welfare. Although it would be difficult to go back, ending welfare would mean that blacks would go back to the menial jobs that hispanics often fill today, and would presumably recover their former enthusiasm for education and integrating into society. While they may never fill professional jobs in the numbers they do now, due to affirmative action, they would be working and not rioting.

  172. dcite says:
    @Jim

    The buried pyramid structures under Bosnia, in former Yugoslavia, go back 10s of thousands of years. We don’t know a lot of European history. But when I learn about it, I want honest evidence and not fantasies. The Great Pyramid is over 10,000 yrs old. We don’t know who built, or what its function was. It has no burial chambers or artifacts of mundane, human scale. The later, smaller pyramids were for burial and for impressing everybody. They do not have the impossible to do now features of the Great Pyramid. There are massive pyramidal structures, some imbedded partly underground, all over the world–Ireland has many, as does China. They are even under water. We don’t know what was going on when these were built.

  173. dcite says:
    @Stealth

    I agree. Greeks too. Greeks owned most of the restaurants in working class neighborhoods of Baltimore, and they weren’t all that distinguishable from the hoi poi (mostly English, Irish) people living there. They were richer though, but you’d never know it when they were working .
    Where are people getting this crap?

  174. Marty [AKA "wick"] says:
    @WhatEvvs

    The claim wasn’t that WASPS consider Sicilian peasants to be non-white. The claim was that they deny white status to Italians in general. So your problem is with the original claim, not with my rebuttal.

  175. BobInVa says:

    Reed is fast becoming my favorite commentator. Great understanding of the facts: “bring it on”, and sober on what can be done. Most likely more of the same, namely suck it up, but I kind of like his “barely” possible option 2, resegregation, especially schools and housing. No private school tuition! Kids ride the bus! What would people do with all the money and time?

  176. Ace says:
    @Quercus

    So pathologists should not examine diseased tissue?

  177. Svigor says:

    Your spiritual brother, John Derbyshire, got himself a bride from China…. and yet you nag and whine!

    There is no mass immigration to China by non-Asians. Never has been.

    That’s because Asians are racist.

  178. Svigor says:

    Really?

    Yes, really. Their high IQ: output ratio over the last however many years has been dismal. Everybody’s always talking about how many Chinamen there are (and have been, for a long, long time), and how smart they are, but nobody wants to admit that has implications.

    Just look at their comic art. All samey-same.

  179. Svigor says:

    Asians are racists, so they (and their suck-ups) have a hard time understanding that they aren’t the Supreme Master Race.

  180. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @RC

    Sadat’s mother was Sudanese.

  181. Svigor says:

    Dude, you must spend 2 hours on some of these responses

    Projection. What would take you 2 hours, does not take me 2 hours.

    I probably do usually spend a couple hours the days I’m here, though, but most of that is reading, not commenting.

    What is it that blacks spend on average per day in front of the television? 7 hours? I think that’s right, but it’s just such a gobsmacking number, to this day. There’s your downfall of civilization, if you’re looking for one.

    I am curious as to how this is supposed to go, though. You call my commentary “whining,” then what? Given pause by this momentous revelation, I take stock and realize, “Eureka! He’s right!” and go to Tibet to find my true self?

    What you call “whining” is blacks’ whole strategy. Well, that, and the occasional riot or disruptive protest. Why don’t you police your own back yard, instead of trying to maintain a black monopoly on “whining”?

  182. Seer says:

    @Jon

    As I said the book was based on old family stories by a woman who was in her twenties when Confederate veterans were still alive. But if you want to snark nastily about “fiction” , I have an Irish line in my family who arrived in Virginia around 1750, and they intermarried with other British colonials, which would not have been the case if they weren’t considered ” white.”

    But I guess a Jew named Ignatiev whose family arrived in 1910 knows more about it than those of us who actually are descended from colonial British settlers.

  183. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Art

    Except, of course, it was only the end for your narrative OF the story.

  184. midtown says:
    @Sandals

    Sandals — great background information. I hadn’t thought about the Level I/II stuff before. I would chime in, though, that I’ve never heard anyone say that Slavs aren’t white or not as white as, say, a Brit or German. My family has been in the U.S. since 1690 at least, and there is no tradition of saying anything like that (and that’s even more unimaginable in the case of the Irish). Now, Slavic peoples have a different culture than NW Europeans, no doubt about that. But definitely white. No worries.

  185. WWWM says:
    @Bliss

    The African IQ’s are the lowest on the planet, except the Australian natives. Every credible study has confirmed this. Blacks in America get a little boost because of race-mixing with whites over the years. You do not understand the arguments being made, and the the things you are writing about just confirm everything Fred pointed out.

    Quit talking about racism. It is a dead horse! The problem is the races are, in fact, different. You need to face up to this and not simply attack whites who point out the obvious. The Bible has nothing to with this. Reality is crashing in on you.

  186. WWWM says:
    @Mark

    Because blacks have been conditioned, through various welfare policies, to demand things from whites. The surface argument is that they have been oppressed, and therefore deserve some compensation. The anger that is produced is real, but it is reinforced every time we cave in or fail to say the truth of the matter. No, this is not rational thinking, but most decisions made are not rational, by any people.

  187. WWWM says:
    @Bliss

    Asian IQs are, on average, higher than Europeans. Europeans are on average higher than Africans. The IQ realists have been saying this for years. What is your point? I don’t think you understand where we are coming from, Bliss.

  188. Anonymous • Disclaimer says:
    @Buzz Mohawk

    Genetic research and development might conceivably lead to an easily transmitted virus, bacteria or substance that would sterilize…

    eThis will be the answer, I expect. A viral or bacterial vector that drastically reduces the fertility of Negros and Indios/Mestizos.

    We have no need or desire to kill them, for goodness sakes, but a 70% bastardy rate is impossible for us to pay for (and they clearly have no intention of paying for their own bastards). So just reduce their rate of reproduction via a viral or bacterial vector.

    They can continue to fornicate, drink, dance and party as they wish, at our expense, until they die. But we will be relieved of the burden of paying for their descendants. Alternatively, they can return to their motherland, Africa.

  189. Rebs says: • Website

    Everybody has got the same brain. You can differentiate people by their origin, caste, race or color. Everybody’s way of thinking and judging things is different from others and hence their IQ levels differentiate. You just need to find the quality hidden within yourself and master it.

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