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OK, immigration, the ongoing soap opera. Let’s start with the week’s logical disaster: The Dreamers, 800,000 artfully named Latinos who were brought over as children, sometimes as children of thirty-five. Under something called DACA, a sort of almost amnesty, they had work permits. They were working. Yes, doing their part as Americans: paying taxes to buy bombs to kill children in Syria. Now, says Trump, at least to the extent that it is possible to know what Trump says, they are illegal. Breitbart News, VDare and suchlike are orgasmic. No amnesty for these criminals! Now they can be deported. This of course embodies the fascinating notion that a child of two can commit a federal crime, but never mind.

See the brilliance? Now the Dreamers don’t pay taxes. This puts a heavier burden on ordinary patriotic Americans, who wouldn’t pay taxes either if they could figure out how not to, to buy bombs to kill the Syrian children. So 800,000 Dreamers fall into the unemployable underclass. Many have never been to Mexico.

Which brings up an interesting point. An American and an American citizen are not the same thing at all. An American is someone raised in America, who has absorbed our language, ways of thought, our culture. who has lived the streets of Brooklyn or bare feet and BB guns in Alabama or the wackiness of coastal California, who has hitchhiked the big roads and watched Superman jump out the window and been to high school dances and watched the cheerleaders at basketball games twirling and chanting, “Ricky, Ricky, he’s our man, if he can’t do it nobody can!” There are many Americas, but that is what they all are: America.

By contrast, an American citizen is someone who has a certain piece of paper. You can get it by being born in the US but if (improbably) you were adopted by a Mongolian couple and raised in Ulan Bator, you would be an American citizen but not an American. If you are born and raised in Britain, you can become an American citizen, but not an American. It can’t be done. Nor just the accent but the body language, the slight lordliness, the lack of cultural reference, would be an dead giveaway.

I could easily get Mexican citizenship, but would anyone at all think me a Mexican?

This morning (September 21) here in Mexico my wife and I as usual listened to the news (Notisistema) over coffee. It seems the country is gearing up to receive such Dreamers as are deported, specifically to provide scholarships to universities, find jobs for them as English teachers, and provide them with lessons in Spanish–a language many do not speak.

A Dreamer raised in the US is an American, though not a citizen. If I met him in a bar in Bangkok, after two words I would say, “Ah! A Yank!”

“Yeah. Bakersfield.”

OK, we will now think about immigration in general. The level of debate is embarrassingly stupid even by the elevated standards of Washington–not to mention fraudulent, disguisedly self-serving, hypocritical, and nuttier than Aunt Samantha’s prize fruitcake that she used to pour rum on.

We will start with fraud.

From the anti-immigrant sites, as for example Breitbart News, I learn that immigration is a plot of malignant Lefties, foul commie-homo-hippy-prevert-Jews, who hate America, who want to import millions and millions of Mexicans, who are stupid, filthy, shiftless, and criminal, to destroy the United States. Yes. No man can doubt it.

Except…except…why are the Republicans, siege howitzers of patriotism, presumably conservative, tap dancing away from the issue like anthrax while supporting immigration with their left hands? All sorts of anti-immigrant things could be done, but Republicans do none of them. So why is it the hippy-homo-prevert etceteras? Why no Republican action?

Easy. Because the immigration business is a Day-glo con, a galactic-size black hole of hypocrisy so thick you could lube a diesel with it. Everybody is lying, swindling, and pulling rings.

Breitbart thinks–this sentence is already doubtful, but we will forge ahead with it–that de-legalizing Dreamers is great because now thy can be deported. Except they probably won’t be. Most will stay in the US and work off the books until somebody re-legalizes therm. Which seems likely. Anyway, if the 800,000 Dreamers were deported, they would come to 1.4% of America’s 57,000,000 Latinos. Oorah. That will save our precious bodily fluids.

Yeesh. The Right won’t let Dreamers work, and the Left makes sure they don’t get deported. Bipartisan idiocy. Don’t say that Americans can’t work together. Meanwhile Trump, the first President to elevate Brownian motion to a policy position, says he will give Congress six months to come up with legislation that does the same thing DACA did. This is nuts .

Consider conservatives, if any. A cynic–I don’t know any of those–might notice two kinds of conservative, money conservatives, and arm-waving conservatives. The money conservatives want cheap Mexicans, and wars so they can sell bombs, and overseas factories, and price-fixing and no taxes. They are no more patriotic than Rachel Maddow is female.

The arm-waning conservatives hoot and squall about the surging brown tide and its genetic effects on apple pie and the Boy Scouts and we–eeeeek–have to Do Something urgently. But:

They aren’t against immigration either!

Nor is Trump.

Don’t think so? Ponder: There is a current federal freaking law against hiring illegal aliens, which Trump could enforce since he controls DOJ, and it carries heavy penalties.

So why doesn’t the National Cockatoo enforce this law? Think of CEOs led from offices in handcuffs, stuffed into Leavenworth to get in touch with their feminine side. Human-resources mugwumps too. The owner of the corner gas station. They are all hiring illegals, and they know they are. The first arrest would result in a lot of CEOs looking deeply into extradition law. Why doesn’t it happen? Easy.

Because our bottle-blonde Metternich has no intention of doing anything about immigration. You think he’s crazy or something?

ORDER IT NOW

See, the Donald knows, anyone enjoying neural parity with possums knows: Threaten major rice bowls–e.g., big businesses–and they will hand you your head on a platter. Don’t even think about shutting down ConAgra. On the other hand, arresting Pedro when he tries to renew his driver’s license is safe.

If the grrr-woofs really wanted to deport illegals, which they apparently do not, they could sweep up loads of them easily. Everyone knows where they are. Try California’s agricultural sector. Check out the construction industry in Washington DC, the heart of all darkness. See if you can find a white guy nailing up siding, or a white construction worker. Or black. If you can, put him in a glass case. The Smithsonian will probably be interested.

Yeah, yeah, I know. The employers with their hundreds of illegals say, “We, poor things that we are, just have no way of knowing who is illegal.” OK, let me get this. You are running a meat-packing plant, and seventy-five men show up looking for work. They are brown, sure, but lots of people are, especially in summer. Nothing suspicious there.

You hire them, because you see no reason to think they might be Mexicans, or illegal, right? No tell-tale signs, no hints. They don’t have papers but, hey, maybe they forgot them somewhere. Anyway you wouldn’t want to stereotype. You can’t just ask them if they are illegal because they speak only Spanish.

Can anyone take this seriously?

Not all is lost, though. The anti-immigration folk holler and jump up and down about something called eVerify. It’s an electronic way to keep from determining whether an applicant is legal. The idea is that the employer, who has a strong incentive not to detect illegals because he wants cheap labor, will check on illegals who have a strong incentive not to be detected because they want to work. I’m sure you sense the practicality in this.

It gets balmier. Nothing in this morass makes sense. Except in terms of money. America builds factories in Mexico, then discovers with horror that these factories are…in Mexico. Characteristically when you put something somewhere, that’s where it is.

In the US, while money conservatives hire Meskins with wild abandon, the arm-waving ones shriek that them Meskins is taking American jobs. How the hell does a Meskin takes an American job? Hold a gun to his head and say, “Geeve me zee shoffel or I blow your brines out”?

The obvious solution: Gun control.

You see the high moral principle in action here. It is safe to blame Paco for trying to destroy America. He can’t fight back. He answered an ad from an American auto factory in Durango, thus displaying malign intent. Paco has a pretty wife, two nice kids, hopes to pay off the mortgage one day, likes barbecue and a couple of beers on the weekend. A venomous enemy.

Ah, but attack Ford or Chevy or whoever put the factory in Mexico? Oh no. These can hire more lawyers than Trump has brain cells–this would be at least three lawyers–and, again, he isn’t crazy.

Here we come to a standout, glowing, gorgeous lunacy in a field groaning under lunacy: the notion that America will, or can, deport huge numbers of people. Glance at the numbers. Call eight years a hundred months for arithmetical convenience. A President would have to deport 8,000 Dreamers a month, and Donald is already way behind. Getting rid of 12,000,000 illegals in two years as promised by Donald would mean 500,000 a month for 24 months, or 125,000 a month for 96 months. Do you seriously think this is going to happen? Can we make a large bet?

If you have fifty million or so Latinos who are not going to go away, might it not be a good idea to think about how to assimilate them, get along with them, get them to pay taxes to blow up Syrian children? Breitbart and related sites never say a word about assimilation but just try to stir up antagonism between white and Latino. They think this is patriotism. I have my doubts.

Why won’t much deportation happen? Because the Democrats are against it, the Republicans are against it when nobody is looking, Chicago, California, and New York are against it, a dozen large businesses are very against it, the media are against it, the Loon Left is against it, academia is against it, the Latinos are not behaving badly enough, and the Millennials don’t give a damn.

Finally, we have The Wall. More accurately, we seem not to have it. This phantasm shows no inclination to spring into being. It is a useful gnaw-toy to keep various fringes out of mischief. Almost everybody seems, surreptitiously or otherwise, to be avoiding building it. Yes, we have Ann Coulter the Manhattan Steam Whistle howling like a lonely train through the mountains. “The Waaalllll…We need the Waaalllll….” Yeah well. But the Republicans just can’t seem to get there somehow, and they control Congress. When they don’t, I guess the Dems will build the rascal. Don’t you?

Conclusion: Latinos in America are a done deal. Good idea, bad idea, disaster, or doesn’t much matter–it’s still done. No epic population shifts impend. Breitbart can bark from under the sofa, but the Latinos are in America to stay. If this isn’t so, tell me why it isn’t so. Get used to it. There is no other choice.

(Republished from Fred on Everything by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Like all open border advocates, Mr. Reed spins reality. First, DACA is illegal and unconstitutional, something sane Americans agree upon. President Obama “created” the program with no legislation, and he openly said because Congress refused to pass his proposed law. Whatever one thinks of the idea, Obama acted as a tyrant on behalf of corporate America that wants to flood the nation with ever more workers to drive down wages. A federal judge halted the program for that reason. If DACA is a good idea, Congress must legislate this, it is called democracy.

    Second, DACA immigrants had to be younger than age 31 on June 15, 2012, must have come to the U.S. when they were younger than 16, and must have lived in the U.S. since 2007. In August 2012, the Pew Research Center estimated that up to 1.7 million people might be eligible. For course there are no hard records about these foreign invaders, so much of this can be claimed with no proof.

    But what about all those who arrived in 2008? and 2009? Of course they must now be included. and what about those crossing now! And of once the kids get resident cards (“kids” up to 36) their parents and siblings can get them too.

    So we are talking about tens of millions now here illegally getting SSNs then applying to collect tens of billions of dollars in annual in federal benefits. Legal foreigners automatically get SSI as “aged” disabled without ever paying a cent in SS or income taxes. Millions will continue to pour across as Latinos arrive and millions from Africa who are crossing over to South America and claim “asylum” to cross, then bingo, their kids are here and its not their fault so they DACA over to the welfare office.

    This is a tough issue, and it is all the result of the two previous amnesties. Now Mr. Reed and corporate America demand another amnesty to solve the problem? And we are not getting their best, as President Trump once said and was trounced on by Reed other spinmasters for speaking the truth. These are unwanted economic refugees, pouring across and clogging our schools, hospitals, jails, and poor areas.

    Is rent and housing too expensive? Are roads clogged? Are schools overcrowded? What would happen if those millions of illegal visitors were sent home. This is not impossible, Ike did this in the 1950s. The majority of Americans would support this, yet corporate media has made it clear that only racists oppose open borders, and even twisted the positive word “nationalist” to mean evil white workers crazy enough to resist globalization. Meanwhile corporate billionaires boast how they prefer to hire foreigners to work in the USA rather than citizens to show their support for one world rule.

    Mr. Reed says Mexico is a great place to live, better than the USA. Then he should favor mass deportation to return millions of confused Mexicans to their home of birth and where they are citizens, unless he fears these unwanteds will end up loose in his nice, new town whose homeless, unemployed, and fugitives were sent North for decades.

    If these millions of Mexicans are such a great economic benefit, Mexico and Mr. Reed, should welcome mass deportations. And they can grant automatic citizenship to the millions of Africans now crossing Mexico, instead of busing to the American border. Mexico will boom with more GDP “activity”.

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    • Replies: @Jmaie
    May I suggest you read a little more of Fred's stuff, and actually pay attention to what he writes, before going about spewing nonsense? Fred had never said that Mexico is a better place to live than the US, only that it's not as bad as many people here up north seem to think it is. And, he is not for open borders-he has said many times that mass immigration is/was foolish policy.

    Not that he needs my defending him, but sheesh. Why is it we can't have adult conversations anymore? Seems that every political discussion devolves into a yelling match, facts be damned. This is why we can't have nice things.

    , @yeah
    Now, now, aren't you coming down too hard on Mr. Reed? Whatever he may be (wildly amusing, annoying, or plain darned wrong), an open border advocate he is not. At worst he might be called an open border realist, at best a very interesting writer who juggles logic and prose with some charm.

    The thing is, as Mr. Reed reminds his readers with the help of some interesting calculations, this presence of Latinos and Mexicans in the US is way past being reversible. It has become TOO BIG a problem, best to learn to live with it. After all, how can the folly of two generations be fixed in a jiffy? Can you undo the Irish in America, or the Italians, or even the Japanese? The Japs are still here, even after the world war 2 era roundup. And no one to my knowledge, providing he is even passably sane, would even think of undoing the Italians or any other group.

    He doesn't say don't do anything moving forward. But he does point out the multiple culprits whose interests and greed ensure the continuation of illegal immigration. The culprits are Americans themselves, alas, lots and lots of them, and very powerful ones at that. Which means the news is bad, very bad indeed, but please don't shoot the messenger - even if he whistles and grins and jokes as he dishes out the bad news by the truckload.
    , @gustafus
    Save it. Nobody is listening.... we know all the arguments. This was a battle of BRANDS. WE LOST.

    Dreamers vs White Supremacists..... they had better marketing.

    50's Americana vs Invading Hordes ..... betrayed by our own leader.

    It's over. Stop pissing in the wind. 1,000,000 Unicef & Wanted Posters are permanent now.

    Warm fuzzy Trump was the victim of a palace coup he still hasn't discovered. Bannon and Gorka tried to warn us.... Ivanka ... that cunt... that miserable cunt.... whispering in his ear... THINKING WE WILL ELECT HER NEXT !!! ... OMG....

    Kathy Griffin .... where is that ax?"

    , @Anonymous
    Great post.
    , @KenH

    For course there are no hard records about these foreign invaders, so much of this can be claimed with no proof.
     
    And therein lies the problem and the reason DACA should be scrapped forthwith. It will be almost impossible to deny any illegal alien under 31 seeking relief under this program which is deliberately how it was designed by the Obama camp.

    But dipshit Trump thinks his Javanka inspired "humane" and "centrist" approach is so clever that it will lead to a windfall of Latino support. It will only alienate that portion of his base that aren't "Trump, right or wrong" types or what I call the Trumptards.

    Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida will likely flip back to the Dems in 2020 since people will be angry and demoralized and we can say hello to Obama 2.0 in the form of Kamala Harris or Deval Patrick (who Hussein O is encouraging to run). And mass amnesty will be at the top of the agenda this time around.

    , @Wally
    Well said.

    Exporting Mexicans to the US and then receiving the money those illegals send back to Mexico means that illegals are Mexico's most profitable export.
    Mexico's govt. actually facilitates the export of Mexicans to the US.
    , @anonymous
    "What would happen if those millions of illegal visitors were sent home. This is not impossible, Ike did this in the 1950s. "

    The numbers that the Eisenhower Administration faced in the 50s pale in comparison to 2017, and as you yourself correctly wrote "there are no hard records about these foreigners." Indeed. After all, they are "undocumented" i.e. illegal so how can anyone know how many of 'em there really are in the first place. Does anyone really know HOW many illegals there are in this country, let alone "Dreamers." I totally agree with you in general but, let's face it, the time to have acted was in 1965--or at least by 1986 when the original bill was "reformed." But nothing was done. Why? Because there was no national will then and there isn't any now. The public either didn't give a rat's ass and was content with doing what America does best, buy and spend, or they bought into the liberal banalities as exemplified by that Lazarus poem (which, the last time I checked, was a poem--not a law).

    Whatever, now the barn door is closed and the horses are out in pasture. The Wall? Fuggedaboudit! Too little, too late. If we, the citizens, had done our job in insisting that the existing laws be enforced there would be no need for a wall. In fact, we wouldn't be having this extended "conversation" in the first place.

    The government is supposed to serve at our pleasure and we, the voters, are charged with the responsibility of watching both the policymakers and the bureaucrats who administer policy. In regards to immigration we dropped the ball. And now it may be too late.

    , @lavoisier
    Yes, Fred does not get it when it comes to Mexicans. And he ascribes any hostility to their making America their home to racism.

    Sure a lot of them are hardworking and smart. But the majority of Americans do not want them here in ever increasing numbers. They liked the country the way it was and they do not want the United States to become Mexico.

    Why is that so hateful?

    It is interesting how some writers can be honest about one subject and totally dishonest about another subject.

    The dishonesty for Fred Reed is primarily about Mexico and the Mexicans. For John Derbyshire it is about Israel and the Jews.
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  2. Fred Reed seems quite angry in this column. The volume of insults exceeds his normal quota, which only undermines whatever “point” he’s trying to make. I’ve learned in recent years this is how Mexicans argue. They get emotional and immediately resort to insults. Fred is clearly absorbing the Mexican experience more completely than he may even realize.

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  3. FKA Max says: • Website

    Full comment here:

    http://www.unz.com/article/steve-bannon-and-trumps-populist-victory/#comment-1997511

    Steve Bannon on Trump’s DACA decision, Catholic church

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  4. pyrrhus says:

    Fred, you don’t have rule of law when an Obama “memorandum” is used as an excuse to not enforce an extremely important national law. So most of your column is just stupid, which is a rare thing for you. If Congress passes some version of DACA and that law is enforced properly, then we don’t have a legal/Constitutional issue any more, but the Congress critters will have to take responsibility for their votes, pro or con. That’s the way it is supposed to be. There, fixed it for you…..As to the sob stories, I am unimpressed when many of these people have been living at the expense of American taxpayers for decades….They must go back.

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  5. Jmaie says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Like all open border advocates, Mr. Reed spins reality. First, DACA is illegal and unconstitutional, something sane Americans agree upon. President Obama "created" the program with no legislation, and he openly said because Congress refused to pass his proposed law. Whatever one thinks of the idea, Obama acted as a tyrant on behalf of corporate America that wants to flood the nation with ever more workers to drive down wages. A federal judge halted the program for that reason. If DACA is a good idea, Congress must legislate this, it is called democracy.

    Second, DACA immigrants had to be younger than age 31 on June 15, 2012, must have come to the U.S. when they were younger than 16, and must have lived in the U.S. since 2007. In August 2012, the Pew Research Center estimated that up to 1.7 million people might be eligible. For course there are no hard records about these foreign invaders, so much of this can be claimed with no proof.

    But what about all those who arrived in 2008? and 2009? Of course they must now be included. and what about those crossing now! And of once the kids get resident cards ("kids" up to 36) their parents and siblings can get them too.

    So we are talking about tens of millions now here illegally getting SSNs then applying to collect tens of billions of dollars in annual in federal benefits. Legal foreigners automatically get SSI as "aged" disabled without ever paying a cent in SS or income taxes. Millions will continue to pour across as Latinos arrive and millions from Africa who are crossing over to South America and claim "asylum" to cross, then bingo, their kids are here and its not their fault so they DACA over to the welfare office.

    This is a tough issue, and it is all the result of the two previous amnesties. Now Mr. Reed and corporate America demand another amnesty to solve the problem? And we are not getting their best, as President Trump once said and was trounced on by Reed other spinmasters for speaking the truth. These are unwanted economic refugees, pouring across and clogging our schools, hospitals, jails, and poor areas.

    Is rent and housing too expensive? Are roads clogged? Are schools overcrowded? What would happen if those millions of illegal visitors were sent home. This is not impossible, Ike did this in the 1950s. The majority of Americans would support this, yet corporate media has made it clear that only racists oppose open borders, and even twisted the positive word "nationalist" to mean evil white workers crazy enough to resist globalization. Meanwhile corporate billionaires boast how they prefer to hire foreigners to work in the USA rather than citizens to show their support for one world rule.

    Mr. Reed says Mexico is a great place to live, better than the USA. Then he should favor mass deportation to return millions of confused Mexicans to their home of birth and where they are citizens, unless he fears these unwanteds will end up loose in his nice, new town whose homeless, unemployed, and fugitives were sent North for decades.

    If these millions of Mexicans are such a great economic benefit, Mexico and Mr. Reed, should welcome mass deportations. And they can grant automatic citizenship to the millions of Africans now crossing Mexico, instead of busing to the American border. Mexico will boom with more GDP "activity".

    May I suggest you read a little more of Fred’s stuff, and actually pay attention to what he writes, before going about spewing nonsense? Fred had never said that Mexico is a better place to live than the US, only that it’s not as bad as many people here up north seem to think it is. And, he is not for open borders-he has said many times that mass immigration is/was foolish policy.

    Not that he needs my defending him, but sheesh. Why is it we can’t have adult conversations anymore? Seems that every political discussion devolves into a yelling match, facts be damned. This is why we can’t have nice things.

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    Fred had never said that Mexico is a better place to live than the US,
     
    Oh, I don't know, Sport; he has at least insinuated it quite strongly.

    You know Federico, this is two "I love Mess-kins" articles in a row. I thought we had it clear that advanced matrices showed that you need three "I hate knee-grows" articles for every "ILMK" in order to stay relevant with the SWiPpLes?
    , @Bragadocious
    I think the concept of "adult conversation" went out the window with "national cockatoo" and "bottle-blonde Metternich." Why do people never hold Reed to account for his childish rhetoric?
    , @Luwanee
    Fred and you have missed the point. If you DID NOT come here through the front door you are here illegally. Who cares for the reason you came, that is not the point. Yes it is possible to remove them, just history, Hitler moved millions of Jews from several countries in 3 years and did not have the transportation that we have today. We should help them but help them there not here.
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  6. Fred Reed is a very good writer but so is Carlton Meyer of G2mil, who should be given some kind of official Unz Review status such as what Fred has.

    Anyway, here’s my 2 cents, which is something going back about ten years or a little more. I was trying to promote the idea that the best way to enforce laws against blatantly illegal immigration in the agricultural sector would be RICO. The glove fits perfectly. You know that there’s agricultural production and the labor is 90% done by illegals. But if you bust the illegals, the employers get to keep more of their wages and they get replacements soon enough, sometimes the same people if you can just wait a week or two. If you bust the labor contractors, even if you seize their old broken down crummies, another labor contractor appears under a different name, sometimes with the same old broken down crummies. BUT, if you seize the land itself (or the meat packing plant, for example), that’s going to have an impact, that’s going to make a difference. Which is why it never happens.

    So about ten years ago or a little more, I researched extensively and … guess what? … I discovered that there was one county in Idaho where a Prosecutor had attempted exactly this strategy … and guess what? … he was soon enough replaced.

    What can we do? The Democrats will likely try to jail you for a hate crime if you complain about illegal immigrants in agriculture, but the Republicans … well, I investigated in the Pacific NW back around 40 years ago when I wanted to know how come when harvest time came around, the “migra” I guess is what’s it’s called, anyway there was an office for it, but the guys in charge were always somewhere else at harvest time, so I looked up local federal reps and senators and … guess what? … I found out that one of the biggest NW growers was a member of the RNC. But then I was all enthused back in 2004 when the ‘W’ admin. made that big bust of the kosher meat packing company in Iowa … and they rounded up not only the ordinary workers but the managers and lab techs (who were working illegally while on tourist visas from Israel) and then right in the middle of the plant, the feds busted into a carefully locked room … and found a meth lab operation to rival the one run by Mr. Chicken and Walter White (in Breaking Bad) and then … then the story disappeared when the DEA got involved … apparently it all became Top Secret at that point and it would have endangered national security to investigate any further Imagine what might have happened if we did not have the PATRIOT Act?

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    Fred Reed is a very good writer but so is Carlton Meyer of G2mil,
     
    Fred Reed is a talker.
    Carlton Meyer is a thinker.
    There is a difference.
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  7. David JW says:

    You are probably right that the political will is not there in the ruling class to maintain the American nation and you are right that the numbers are large and deporting them quickly would cause economic dislocations. But that doesn’t mean the Hispanics cannot be whittled down over time – it could happen with political will, and part of the answer would be encouraging self-deportation, which Fred doesn’t seem to have realised is already happening. The birthright citizenship should stop. Puerto Rico could be given independence, whether they want it or not and their misbehaving compatriots in NY slung out. Immigration could be reserved only for white Europeans. Kept up for a few decades and America would survive and eventually flourish. But Fred is a Mexican patsy and wouldn’t support that.

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  8. nsa says:

    Reed is a race traitor, for some ungodly reason wishing white people the very worst. There is no longer any reason for him to reside in his turd world paradise….he could move to California and feel right at home. California according to the Census Bureau is now down to 37% non-hispanic white……even lower if you include the hordes of illegals. C’mon back Fred……we miss you. You’ll feel right at home in the filth, litter, degeneracy, disease, crime, overpopulation, mindless violence………

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    REED IS BOINKING A MEXICAN...... For Christ's sake...

    He's probably got little Mexicans running all over the house...
    , @Sam McGowan
    Uh, Mexicans are either Indian, white or Meztizo. In short, they're the same race as those of us Americans whose ancestors came here before the Civil War. (That's Yankee for War of Northern Aggression.)
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  9. yeah says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Like all open border advocates, Mr. Reed spins reality. First, DACA is illegal and unconstitutional, something sane Americans agree upon. President Obama "created" the program with no legislation, and he openly said because Congress refused to pass his proposed law. Whatever one thinks of the idea, Obama acted as a tyrant on behalf of corporate America that wants to flood the nation with ever more workers to drive down wages. A federal judge halted the program for that reason. If DACA is a good idea, Congress must legislate this, it is called democracy.

    Second, DACA immigrants had to be younger than age 31 on June 15, 2012, must have come to the U.S. when they were younger than 16, and must have lived in the U.S. since 2007. In August 2012, the Pew Research Center estimated that up to 1.7 million people might be eligible. For course there are no hard records about these foreign invaders, so much of this can be claimed with no proof.

    But what about all those who arrived in 2008? and 2009? Of course they must now be included. and what about those crossing now! And of once the kids get resident cards ("kids" up to 36) their parents and siblings can get them too.

    So we are talking about tens of millions now here illegally getting SSNs then applying to collect tens of billions of dollars in annual in federal benefits. Legal foreigners automatically get SSI as "aged" disabled without ever paying a cent in SS or income taxes. Millions will continue to pour across as Latinos arrive and millions from Africa who are crossing over to South America and claim "asylum" to cross, then bingo, their kids are here and its not their fault so they DACA over to the welfare office.

    This is a tough issue, and it is all the result of the two previous amnesties. Now Mr. Reed and corporate America demand another amnesty to solve the problem? And we are not getting their best, as President Trump once said and was trounced on by Reed other spinmasters for speaking the truth. These are unwanted economic refugees, pouring across and clogging our schools, hospitals, jails, and poor areas.

    Is rent and housing too expensive? Are roads clogged? Are schools overcrowded? What would happen if those millions of illegal visitors were sent home. This is not impossible, Ike did this in the 1950s. The majority of Americans would support this, yet corporate media has made it clear that only racists oppose open borders, and even twisted the positive word "nationalist" to mean evil white workers crazy enough to resist globalization. Meanwhile corporate billionaires boast how they prefer to hire foreigners to work in the USA rather than citizens to show their support for one world rule.

    Mr. Reed says Mexico is a great place to live, better than the USA. Then he should favor mass deportation to return millions of confused Mexicans to their home of birth and where they are citizens, unless he fears these unwanteds will end up loose in his nice, new town whose homeless, unemployed, and fugitives were sent North for decades.

    If these millions of Mexicans are such a great economic benefit, Mexico and Mr. Reed, should welcome mass deportations. And they can grant automatic citizenship to the millions of Africans now crossing Mexico, instead of busing to the American border. Mexico will boom with more GDP "activity".

    Now, now, aren’t you coming down too hard on Mr. Reed? Whatever he may be (wildly amusing, annoying, or plain darned wrong), an open border advocate he is not. At worst he might be called an open border realist, at best a very interesting writer who juggles logic and prose with some charm.

    The thing is, as Mr. Reed reminds his readers with the help of some interesting calculations, this presence of Latinos and Mexicans in the US is way past being reversible. It has become TOO BIG a problem, best to learn to live with it. After all, how can the folly of two generations be fixed in a jiffy? Can you undo the Irish in America, or the Italians, or even the Japanese? The Japs are still here, even after the world war 2 era roundup. And no one to my knowledge, providing he is even passably sane, would even think of undoing the Italians or any other group.

    He doesn’t say don’t do anything moving forward. But he does point out the multiple culprits whose interests and greed ensure the continuation of illegal immigration. The culprits are Americans themselves, alas, lots and lots of them, and very powerful ones at that. Which means the news is bad, very bad indeed, but please don’t shoot the messenger – even if he whistles and grins and jokes as he dishes out the bad news by the truckload.

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    There's one small but very cohesive ethnic group, numbering well under 10,000,000 members, that causes far more problems to this country than every other group combined. Until this group is permanently removed, any other "solutions" will be like spitting on a forest fire.
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  10. KenH says:

    Many have never been to Mexico.

    You could have fooled me by how many of them act more like Mexican nationals than Americans. For never having been to Mexico they still cheer for the Mexican soccer team, wave Mexican flags and wax sentimental about Latino culture. For supposedly not knowing a lick of Spanish you wouldn’t know it. They seem to prefer Spanish to English based on my experience.

    I think the 800K is a low ball number that won’t alarm the deplorables. They want us to reason that “well, 800K isn’t that many in the grand scheme of things, so no big deal”. But the government will approve practically anyone and everyone who applies, especially when Democrats are in charge, and if they don’t there’s plenty of ambulance chasing attorneys willing to take their cases.

    If Congress legalizes DACA it will be rife with abuse and fraud and the American people (who don’t hate themselves or their country) will be the big losers.

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  11. Truth says:
    @Jmaie
    May I suggest you read a little more of Fred's stuff, and actually pay attention to what he writes, before going about spewing nonsense? Fred had never said that Mexico is a better place to live than the US, only that it's not as bad as many people here up north seem to think it is. And, he is not for open borders-he has said many times that mass immigration is/was foolish policy.

    Not that he needs my defending him, but sheesh. Why is it we can't have adult conversations anymore? Seems that every political discussion devolves into a yelling match, facts be damned. This is why we can't have nice things.

    Fred had never said that Mexico is a better place to live than the US,

    Oh, I don’t know, Sport; he has at least insinuated it quite strongly.

    You know Federico, this is two “I love Mess-kins” articles in a row. I thought we had it clear that advanced matrices showed that you need three “I hate knee-grows” articles for every “ILMK” in order to stay relevant with the SWiPpLes?

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  12. gustafus says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Like all open border advocates, Mr. Reed spins reality. First, DACA is illegal and unconstitutional, something sane Americans agree upon. President Obama "created" the program with no legislation, and he openly said because Congress refused to pass his proposed law. Whatever one thinks of the idea, Obama acted as a tyrant on behalf of corporate America that wants to flood the nation with ever more workers to drive down wages. A federal judge halted the program for that reason. If DACA is a good idea, Congress must legislate this, it is called democracy.

    Second, DACA immigrants had to be younger than age 31 on June 15, 2012, must have come to the U.S. when they were younger than 16, and must have lived in the U.S. since 2007. In August 2012, the Pew Research Center estimated that up to 1.7 million people might be eligible. For course there are no hard records about these foreign invaders, so much of this can be claimed with no proof.

    But what about all those who arrived in 2008? and 2009? Of course they must now be included. and what about those crossing now! And of once the kids get resident cards ("kids" up to 36) their parents and siblings can get them too.

    So we are talking about tens of millions now here illegally getting SSNs then applying to collect tens of billions of dollars in annual in federal benefits. Legal foreigners automatically get SSI as "aged" disabled without ever paying a cent in SS or income taxes. Millions will continue to pour across as Latinos arrive and millions from Africa who are crossing over to South America and claim "asylum" to cross, then bingo, their kids are here and its not their fault so they DACA over to the welfare office.

    This is a tough issue, and it is all the result of the two previous amnesties. Now Mr. Reed and corporate America demand another amnesty to solve the problem? And we are not getting their best, as President Trump once said and was trounced on by Reed other spinmasters for speaking the truth. These are unwanted economic refugees, pouring across and clogging our schools, hospitals, jails, and poor areas.

    Is rent and housing too expensive? Are roads clogged? Are schools overcrowded? What would happen if those millions of illegal visitors were sent home. This is not impossible, Ike did this in the 1950s. The majority of Americans would support this, yet corporate media has made it clear that only racists oppose open borders, and even twisted the positive word "nationalist" to mean evil white workers crazy enough to resist globalization. Meanwhile corporate billionaires boast how they prefer to hire foreigners to work in the USA rather than citizens to show their support for one world rule.

    Mr. Reed says Mexico is a great place to live, better than the USA. Then he should favor mass deportation to return millions of confused Mexicans to their home of birth and where they are citizens, unless he fears these unwanteds will end up loose in his nice, new town whose homeless, unemployed, and fugitives were sent North for decades.

    If these millions of Mexicans are such a great economic benefit, Mexico and Mr. Reed, should welcome mass deportations. And they can grant automatic citizenship to the millions of Africans now crossing Mexico, instead of busing to the American border. Mexico will boom with more GDP "activity".

    Save it. Nobody is listening…. we know all the arguments. This was a battle of BRANDS. WE LOST.

    Dreamers vs White Supremacists….. they had better marketing.

    50′s Americana vs Invading Hordes ….. betrayed by our own leader.

    It’s over. Stop pissing in the wind. 1,000,000 Unicef & Wanted Posters are permanent now.

    Warm fuzzy Trump was the victim of a palace coup he still hasn’t discovered. Bannon and Gorka tried to warn us…. Ivanka … that cunt… that miserable cunt…. whispering in his ear… THINKING WE WILL ELECT HER NEXT !!! … OMG….

    Kathy Griffin …. where is that ax?”

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  13. gustafus says:
    @nsa
    Reed is a race traitor, for some ungodly reason wishing white people the very worst. There is no longer any reason for him to reside in his turd world paradise....he could move to California and feel right at home. California according to the Census Bureau is now down to 37% non-hispanic white......even lower if you include the hordes of illegals. C'mon back Fred......we miss you. You'll feel right at home in the filth, litter, degeneracy, disease, crime, overpopulation, mindless violence.........

    REED IS BOINKING A MEXICAN…… For Christ’s sake…

    He’s probably got little Mexicans running all over the house…

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  14. @Jmaie
    May I suggest you read a little more of Fred's stuff, and actually pay attention to what he writes, before going about spewing nonsense? Fred had never said that Mexico is a better place to live than the US, only that it's not as bad as many people here up north seem to think it is. And, he is not for open borders-he has said many times that mass immigration is/was foolish policy.

    Not that he needs my defending him, but sheesh. Why is it we can't have adult conversations anymore? Seems that every political discussion devolves into a yelling match, facts be damned. This is why we can't have nice things.

    I think the concept of “adult conversation” went out the window with “national cockatoo” and “bottle-blonde Metternich.” Why do people never hold Reed to account for his childish rhetoric?

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  15. MarkinLA says:

    Don’t think so? Ponder: There is a current federal freaking law against hiring illegal aliens, which Trump could enforce since he controls DOJ, and it carries heavy penalties.

    There is a current federal law on the books but it was eviscerated during the 1986 amnesty (the amnesty that made it illegal to hire illegal aliens) by giving an employer a road map for avoiding prosecution. If the employer is given a document (regardless of it being an obvious forgery) the employer is off the hook. Clinton expanded the illegality by putting it under RICO statutes so large companies could be prosecuted if they systematically ran around the immigraton laws. Some companies like Mohawk Industries were caught sending prospective illegal aliens to people who would create their papers. When they were prosecuted they plead guilty and got a fine (later reduced by 90% in negotiations with DOJ). They claimed it was a rogue employee.

    However, the Clinton expansion also made it illegal to refuse to hire someone even if you assume he was an illegal if he had what seemed to be correct papers. This is what cased all those fake SS cards with somebody else’s SS number and the identity theft.

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  16. Marty says:

    “Yeah, Bakersfield.”

    Fred, Mexers don’t go looking for thai pussy.

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  18. Every time I fly back to the US, the gangway is lined with at least twenty wheelchairs to take the infirm parents and grandparents of the legal (usually H1b’s, like the ones who put me out of engineering almost thirty years ago) who will receive a shitload of medical care at “government” expense in their time here. That’s the legals. We throw thirty-and forty-something Americans out of work and replace them with compliant slave labor under the ruse of hiring top talent, but we socialize the cost of the baggage they bring with them.

    Then you have the illegals who lock lower class, usually black, Americans out of what used to be their corner of the labor market. But no sweat, welfare is there for them. Who wants to deal with uppity blacks when you can have compliant slave labor?

    There is that YouTube DACA kiddie who claims he paid $400k in US taxes, but he’s just a douche who could do it from his home country, and probably should.

    Gee Fred, do we ever draw a line anywhere and say, “Hey, let’s take care of the Americans who are here rather than replacing them.” Or do we just invite the other 7 billion or so to just come on in?

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  19. TheJester says:

    A Society Ruled by Schmaltz (excessive sentimentality) rather than Laws …

    “If it feels good, do it!”

    As confirmed by the Supreme Court, DACA has no basis in law. In response, since Obama could not get Congress to pass certain laws, he decided to violate his oath of office and fall back on executive authority to selectively suspend the enforcement of laws he did not like … like immigration law. That’s DACA … nothing more. The word “Dreamers” is a euphemism for “illegals”.

    Hence, an appeal to excessive sentimentality as a way around the rule of law:

    “Please, think of these kids growing up in America who feel they are Americans but discover later in life that they are illegals subject to deportation. Think about their hurt feelings and the problems they will have trying to adjust to life in their native countries … Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador, Nigeria, Somalia, Haiti.

    There’s more. Think about broken families … yes, the parents of the “Dreamers” who brought them here. Letting the “Dreamers” stay without their parents is cruel. And you know how family oriented people are from family, clan, and tribal-based societies, so what about their grandparents, uncles, aunts, nieces, and nephews? And once they are here, what about their uncles, aunts, nieces, and nephews? Why not just open our borders and be done with it?

    Okay, let’s talk about illegals and identity theft. What would you do when forced to steal an identity in order to work so you could put food in your children’s mouths. In your heart, you know they have done nothing wrong.”

    Okay, so let’s let schmaltz trump immigration law for Hispanics. But, how can we stop there? What about the lives ruined by incarcerating Blacks in the ghetto for drugs and murder? In your heart, you know they are blameless. Look at their broken, disadvantaged lives? No, we need to let excessive, dripping sentimentality replace our body of laws governing criminal behavior across the board.

    Yes, we might quickly discover that we have become a lawless society … similar to Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador, Nigeria, Somalia, Haiti. Doesn’t matter. We will have become a kind society. So, let’s let sentimentality replace legal accountability as the governing principle of our society … because, as we all know,

    “If it feels good … do it!”

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  20. So that’s it, we have to assimilate them! Now I get it! ‘Cept no. Where I work, in AZ, the Meskins speak Spanish to each other all the time, especially in front of the gringos, and especially if they are able to speak English. Outside of work, you ask? Same. Momma-sita and her brood go with Spanish over English all the time. They also have a thing about leaving garbage everywhere. Even in decent neighborhoods. They live closely together, staying with their own. See, Fred? They CHOOSE not to assimilate. How are we to accomplish the goal of assimilation, when they simply don’t give a sh!t? Fred is a traitor, plain and simple. We need to come up with a way to “assimilate them”, when they want only to live as meskins in a far better place. I take it back. Traitor is inappropriate. Out of touch with reality works better…

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    Back in 73, I was a participant in a two week Navy Race Relations/EEO workshop. The program was just starting out so to some extent they were developing the Program of Instruction (POI). Originally, the concern was mal- treatment/mis-treatment of Blacks not yet Afro-Americans and the lingering effects of Jim Crow discrimination.The apparent intent and likely result was to put a guilt burden on all White participants. As an add on, there was a Mexican American (Hispanic came later) two day presentation. The lead authority was a professor from California. Again the usual hang your head in shame routine. While I had what I thought had been great military experience with men with Spanish surnames, I was damned as an ethnic over-dog by an authority figure who had spent not a day in uniform. The professor asked us to call him Lew for Luis, clearly stated that his people had no intention of assimilating. This was opposed to the Black presenters who were willing to accept the White folks after they had properly acknowledge that we had been sinners and deserved punishment. I read somewhere that Fred indicated a high rate of Hispanics marrying non-Hispanics. My questions: are these Hispanic Females Marrying males or Hispanic males marrying non-Hispanic females or are both marrying heavily into the Afro-American community?
    , @poop
    So that’s it, we have to assimilate them! Now I get it! ‘Cept no. Where I work, in AZ, the Meskins speak Spanish to each other all the time, especially in front of the gringos, and especially if they are able to speak English. Outside of work, you ask? Same. Momma-sita and her brood go with Spanish over English all the time. They also have a thing about leaving garbage everywhere. Even in decent neighborhoods. They live closely together, staying with their own. See, Fred? They CHOOSE not to assimilate. How are we to accomplish the goal of assimilation, when they simply don’t give a sh!t? Fred is a traitor, plain and simple. We need to come up with a way to “assimilate them”, when they want only to live as meskins in a far better place. I take it back. Traitor is inappropriate. Out of touch with reality works better…

    Dude, you really found the smoking gun right there. Obviously the Meskins are speakin Spanish to communicate with each other their plans to overrun Merica and take your job at the behest of their Jew overlords RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE!

    I might leave the garbage part out, though, as random distribution of shit is an indication they are indeed assimilating with the culture of the American White Trash and the American Negro.
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  21. Judging from these comments, the USA is having some difficulty coming to terms with its future as a brown-skinned, Catholic, Spanish-speaking country.

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  22. Here is a thought that I doubt will gin general currency. Let us locate the parents who illegally brought their “dreamer” to America. Thereby dislocating them. Take the parents outside, whip them for child abuse, then return them to Mexico without their “family”.

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    Thereby dislocating them.
     
    Wait, the parents, or their shoulders? Before we whip them, I mean. ;-}

    THEY! HAVE! TO! GO! BACK!
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  23. Randal says:

    In the US, while money conservatives hire Meskins with wild abandon, the arm-waving ones shriek that them Meskins is taking American jobs. How the hell does a Meskin takes an American job? Hold a gun to his head and say, “Geeve me zee shoffel or I blow your brines out”?

    By being willing to do it for wages too low to be viable for the Americans, obviously, because they are able to do so for various well known reasons.

    Fred being disingenuous here, of course.

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  24. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Carlton Meyer
    Like all open border advocates, Mr. Reed spins reality. First, DACA is illegal and unconstitutional, something sane Americans agree upon. President Obama "created" the program with no legislation, and he openly said because Congress refused to pass his proposed law. Whatever one thinks of the idea, Obama acted as a tyrant on behalf of corporate America that wants to flood the nation with ever more workers to drive down wages. A federal judge halted the program for that reason. If DACA is a good idea, Congress must legislate this, it is called democracy.

    Second, DACA immigrants had to be younger than age 31 on June 15, 2012, must have come to the U.S. when they were younger than 16, and must have lived in the U.S. since 2007. In August 2012, the Pew Research Center estimated that up to 1.7 million people might be eligible. For course there are no hard records about these foreign invaders, so much of this can be claimed with no proof.

    But what about all those who arrived in 2008? and 2009? Of course they must now be included. and what about those crossing now! And of once the kids get resident cards ("kids" up to 36) their parents and siblings can get them too.

    So we are talking about tens of millions now here illegally getting SSNs then applying to collect tens of billions of dollars in annual in federal benefits. Legal foreigners automatically get SSI as "aged" disabled without ever paying a cent in SS or income taxes. Millions will continue to pour across as Latinos arrive and millions from Africa who are crossing over to South America and claim "asylum" to cross, then bingo, their kids are here and its not their fault so they DACA over to the welfare office.

    This is a tough issue, and it is all the result of the two previous amnesties. Now Mr. Reed and corporate America demand another amnesty to solve the problem? And we are not getting their best, as President Trump once said and was trounced on by Reed other spinmasters for speaking the truth. These are unwanted economic refugees, pouring across and clogging our schools, hospitals, jails, and poor areas.

    Is rent and housing too expensive? Are roads clogged? Are schools overcrowded? What would happen if those millions of illegal visitors were sent home. This is not impossible, Ike did this in the 1950s. The majority of Americans would support this, yet corporate media has made it clear that only racists oppose open borders, and even twisted the positive word "nationalist" to mean evil white workers crazy enough to resist globalization. Meanwhile corporate billionaires boast how they prefer to hire foreigners to work in the USA rather than citizens to show their support for one world rule.

    Mr. Reed says Mexico is a great place to live, better than the USA. Then he should favor mass deportation to return millions of confused Mexicans to their home of birth and where they are citizens, unless he fears these unwanteds will end up loose in his nice, new town whose homeless, unemployed, and fugitives were sent North for decades.

    If these millions of Mexicans are such a great economic benefit, Mexico and Mr. Reed, should welcome mass deportations. And they can grant automatic citizenship to the millions of Africans now crossing Mexico, instead of busing to the American border. Mexico will boom with more GDP "activity".

    Great post.

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  25. Why support an illegal policy? Regardless of it being a “done deal,” what’s wrong is wrong.

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  26. Is Mr. Reed is getting stupider by the column, or is it only when his Mexicanity gets the better of him? I know I can’t say it as comprehensively as Mr. Meyer (great comment indeed!), but what is this crap?:

    See the brilliance? Now the Dreamers don’t pay taxes.

    Well, that is a true statement if you emphasize the “Now”, as in “Right NOW, the Dreamers don’t pay taxes.” Not net tax, which is what matters. Do you think a government bureaucrat with his thumb up his asss on his iphone all day is a net taxpayer, Fred? This is the same concept. EIC, WIC program, school lunches, after-school programs – a great majority of these DREAMERS are not NET taxpayers. That is not including the large externalized social costs that Mr. Carlton Meyer has well documented (along with VDare for the last 15 years or so).

    I could easily get Mexican citizenship, but would anyone at all think me a Mexican?

    The way you want to meddle in American’s affairs makes me pretty sure you ARE a Mexican, Fred. They’d probably let you run for office.

    You have a very good point about legal paperwork not making someone an American, but then why are you all over VDare’s case, you bumbling moron? They have understood this problem long before you high-tailed it to old Mexico.

    You are very duplicitous to keep linking this issue to bombing of people in Syria and around the world. I don’t think you’ll find too many “invade-the-worlders” on unz here, or much of your reading audience than you’ll find “invite-the-worlders”. That’s another VDare point. Not all Americans support President Trump on all matters – he is only the president because he talked about immigration that day in front of the hotel in NYC in 2015. That’s the ONLY reason. His letting us down on the neocon invade-the-world crap is NOT popular with this crowd, I am sure.

    Yes, the D’s and the R’s and the LP (Lyin’ Press) are all against stopping immigration. Globalists are their names, and replacement of the American people is their game. The big reason is not just the cheap labor for the R’s and the votes for the D’s; it’s that the elites are still scared of the patriotic real Americans, and they want to replace them and get the 3rd world paradigm installed ASAP.

    As to your numbers on deportations, 500,000/month is 16,000 daily, a few hundred ex-Greyhound buses would do the trick. This, along, with money for the wall is a miniscule amount of money compared to yearly wasteful expenditures by our Feral Government. No, it’s not the money, it’s the will. The will is only with the patriots; no one else is on our side. However, as far as the deportations go, I doubt 5% of the numbers would need to be deported before most of the rest self-deported, “self-deportation” being a concept lost to Fred Reed (though I know you’ve read it.)

    Anyway, DREAM all you want, bitchez, but YOU! HAVE! TO! GO! BACK!

    And to Mr. Fred Reed, you suck to no end, sir!
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    BTW, no I don’t work for VDare, but I do support them, and the average writer there is not only as good a writer as Fred Reed, but much more accurate, honest and thorough.

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  27. Why support an illegal policy? Regardless of it being a “done deal,” what’s wrong is wrong.

    The whole point of our type of government is that laws change according to the will of the people and their elected representatives.

    At one time smoking marijuana could get you a prison sentence and a criminal record that would bar you from many professions. Now it is legal in some states. Actually this one of the few cases in which states rights have led to real differences between the depressingly cloned member states of the US.

    If laws were static, there would never have been an American revolution, the Supreme Court’s Dred Scott ruling would still be the law of the land, Prohibition would still be in force, and we would all be driving around without seat belts.

    Executive orders can be implemented quickly while the wheels of the legislature grind slowly, but exceedingly fine.

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    Is there a particular, desperate reason we need the descendants of illegal immigrants? The will of the people brought forth Trump.

    Build the effing wall.
    , @Achmed E. Newman
    Bullcrap. If you want to officially scrap the US Constitution, then just say it, Jonathan. We should change the name and the flag too, though.

    Executive orders are unconstitutional, as are binding rules made by unelected bureaucrats.
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  28. @Jonathan Mason

    Why support an illegal policy? Regardless of it being a “done deal,” what’s wrong is wrong.
     
    The whole point of our type of government is that laws change according to the will of the people and their elected representatives.

    At one time smoking marijuana could get you a prison sentence and a criminal record that would bar you from many professions. Now it is legal in some states. Actually this one of the few cases in which states rights have led to real differences between the depressingly cloned member states of the US.

    If laws were static, there would never have been an American revolution, the Supreme Court's Dred Scott ruling would still be the law of the land, Prohibition would still be in force, and we would all be driving around without seat belts.

    Executive orders can be implemented quickly while the wheels of the legislature grind slowly, but exceedingly fine.

    Is there a particular, desperate reason we need the descendants of illegal immigrants? The will of the people brought forth Trump.

    Build the effing wall.

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  29. Nice piece, mr Reed.

    I wonder what the Injuns think about all this alleged illegality.

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    They lost their turf. I won't call it a country or any formal territory since they were incapable of forming any central government or force to be able thwart the Europeans. It's a good lesson to us.
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  30. KenH says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Like all open border advocates, Mr. Reed spins reality. First, DACA is illegal and unconstitutional, something sane Americans agree upon. President Obama "created" the program with no legislation, and he openly said because Congress refused to pass his proposed law. Whatever one thinks of the idea, Obama acted as a tyrant on behalf of corporate America that wants to flood the nation with ever more workers to drive down wages. A federal judge halted the program for that reason. If DACA is a good idea, Congress must legislate this, it is called democracy.

    Second, DACA immigrants had to be younger than age 31 on June 15, 2012, must have come to the U.S. when they were younger than 16, and must have lived in the U.S. since 2007. In August 2012, the Pew Research Center estimated that up to 1.7 million people might be eligible. For course there are no hard records about these foreign invaders, so much of this can be claimed with no proof.

    But what about all those who arrived in 2008? and 2009? Of course they must now be included. and what about those crossing now! And of once the kids get resident cards ("kids" up to 36) their parents and siblings can get them too.

    So we are talking about tens of millions now here illegally getting SSNs then applying to collect tens of billions of dollars in annual in federal benefits. Legal foreigners automatically get SSI as "aged" disabled without ever paying a cent in SS or income taxes. Millions will continue to pour across as Latinos arrive and millions from Africa who are crossing over to South America and claim "asylum" to cross, then bingo, their kids are here and its not their fault so they DACA over to the welfare office.

    This is a tough issue, and it is all the result of the two previous amnesties. Now Mr. Reed and corporate America demand another amnesty to solve the problem? And we are not getting their best, as President Trump once said and was trounced on by Reed other spinmasters for speaking the truth. These are unwanted economic refugees, pouring across and clogging our schools, hospitals, jails, and poor areas.

    Is rent and housing too expensive? Are roads clogged? Are schools overcrowded? What would happen if those millions of illegal visitors were sent home. This is not impossible, Ike did this in the 1950s. The majority of Americans would support this, yet corporate media has made it clear that only racists oppose open borders, and even twisted the positive word "nationalist" to mean evil white workers crazy enough to resist globalization. Meanwhile corporate billionaires boast how they prefer to hire foreigners to work in the USA rather than citizens to show their support for one world rule.

    Mr. Reed says Mexico is a great place to live, better than the USA. Then he should favor mass deportation to return millions of confused Mexicans to their home of birth and where they are citizens, unless he fears these unwanteds will end up loose in his nice, new town whose homeless, unemployed, and fugitives were sent North for decades.

    If these millions of Mexicans are such a great economic benefit, Mexico and Mr. Reed, should welcome mass deportations. And they can grant automatic citizenship to the millions of Africans now crossing Mexico, instead of busing to the American border. Mexico will boom with more GDP "activity".

    For course there are no hard records about these foreign invaders, so much of this can be claimed with no proof.

    And therein lies the problem and the reason DACA should be scrapped forthwith. It will be almost impossible to deny any illegal alien under 31 seeking relief under this program which is deliberately how it was designed by the Obama camp.

    But dipshit Trump thinks his Javanka inspired “humane” and “centrist” approach is so clever that it will lead to a windfall of Latino support. It will only alienate that portion of his base that aren’t “Trump, right or wrong” types or what I call the Trumptards.

    Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida will likely flip back to the Dems in 2020 since people will be angry and demoralized and we can say hello to Obama 2.0 in the form of Kamala Harris or Deval Patrick (who Hussein O is encouraging to run). And mass amnesty will be at the top of the agenda this time around.

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  31. @Jonathan Mason

    Why support an illegal policy? Regardless of it being a “done deal,” what’s wrong is wrong.
     
    The whole point of our type of government is that laws change according to the will of the people and their elected representatives.

    At one time smoking marijuana could get you a prison sentence and a criminal record that would bar you from many professions. Now it is legal in some states. Actually this one of the few cases in which states rights have led to real differences between the depressingly cloned member states of the US.

    If laws were static, there would never have been an American revolution, the Supreme Court's Dred Scott ruling would still be the law of the land, Prohibition would still be in force, and we would all be driving around without seat belts.

    Executive orders can be implemented quickly while the wheels of the legislature grind slowly, but exceedingly fine.

    Bullcrap. If you want to officially scrap the US Constitution, then just say it, Jonathan. We should change the name and the flag too, though.

    Executive orders are unconstitutional, as are binding rules made by unelected bureaucrats.

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  32. @Rhett Hardwick
    Here is a thought that I doubt will gin general currency. Let us locate the parents who illegally brought their "dreamer" to America. Thereby dislocating them. Take the parents outside, whip them for child abuse, then return them to Mexico without their "family".

    Thereby dislocating them.

    Wait, the parents, or their shoulders? Before we whip them, I mean. ;-}

    THEY! HAVE! TO! GO! BACK!

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  33. Being a solutions type of guy: Why not bomb all the Messikuns in Merica?

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  34. I’m sure those who ‘volunteer’ to join the military will be amnestied, on a bipartisan basis. This is probably where compromise lies: join the army – get the passport.

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  35. @Achmed E. Newman
    Bullcrap. If you want to officially scrap the US Constitution, then just say it, Jonathan. We should change the name and the flag too, though.

    Executive orders are unconstitutional, as are binding rules made by unelected bureaucrats.

    So why does the Supreme (Constitutional) Court not rule that Executive Orders are unconstitutional that that all active Executive Orders are hereby vacated with immediate effect? Probably because to do so would provoke an immediate constitutional crisis.

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    , @Achmed E. Newman
    The Supreme Court, Jonathan, is part of the US Feral Gov't of the 21st century, is part of the establishment, and has been part and parcel to the evisceration of the US Constitution as much as anyone else. The "Supreme" part of the name of that group doesn't make me believe they can read that simple document any better than I can. The beauty of our constitution was it was short and written to be read by the common man, not just some Constitutional scholar like, uhhh, Mr. Øb☭ma was, according to some photoshopped resume.

    As written here, if you go back in your memory (or read on cases) to back in the 70's or even 80's, that court used to be more about deciding cases in which a law that respected one part of the constitution was in some sort of conflict with another part, and it seemed these jurists then had at least a little integrity. These 9 old farts now just decide cases based on politics.

    Anyway, this decline in respect for that document has continued for a long time and through periods of both Red and Blue wings of The Party being in "control" of the Feral Beast.

    The answer to your question, in my opinion is that nobody WANTS to change the way things work (in complete violation), as then people may start to read the document and understand that the Feral Gov't should be about 5% of the size it is now, per Amendment X.

    Have a good night, Mr. Mason.
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  36. Fred,
    You’re right, American taxpayers are forced to “buy bombs to kill children in Syria.”

    It’s merely a part of fighting endless Mideastern wars for the Terrorist Theocracy of Eretz Israel.

    You had your crack at terrorizing a far-away 3rd world country. We can guess American taxpayers are still rewarding you for that. In return, you stimulate the Mexican liquor industry as you amuse yourself taking cheap shots at your benefactors.

    It so happens that the United States is already seriously overcrowded — which makes life increasingly unpleasant — so much so you chose to bail out. And now you mock Americans for not joyously taking in ever more over-breeding hordes of Mexican reconquistas.

    You brag about how great Mexico is. Why are Mexicans so desperate to come to a country which treats them so cruel?

    Crickets…

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  37. WJ says:
    @Willem Hendrik
    Nice piece, mr Reed.


    I wonder what the Injuns think about all this alleged illegality.

    They lost their turf. I won’t call it a country or any formal territory since they were incapable of forming any central government or force to be able thwart the Europeans. It’s a good lesson to us.

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  38. WJ says:
    @Jonathan Mason
    So why does the Supreme (Constitutional) Court not rule that Executive Orders are unconstitutional that that all active Executive Orders are hereby vacated with immediate effect? Probably because to do so would provoke an immediate constitutional crisis.

    DACA was about to ruled unconstitutional before Trump’s proclamation this week, just as the horrendous DAPA was, previously. Trump’s travel ban EO has been stayed. It happens. Not all EOs are equal.

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  39. Mr. Reed chooses to miss the point entirely. Ending DACA is about reducing the incentives for further immigration, not about punishing the children of the undocumented already in the US.

    He heaps abuse on those opposing open borders without any examination of the negative impact of unlimited, unrestricted immigration on the US. We all share his distaste for our foreign wars and government waste. But these issue are canards.

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  40. @Jonathan Mason
    So why does the Supreme (Constitutional) Court not rule that Executive Orders are unconstitutional that that all active Executive Orders are hereby vacated with immediate effect? Probably because to do so would provoke an immediate constitutional crisis.

    The Supreme Court, Jonathan, is part of the US Feral Gov’t of the 21st century, is part of the establishment, and has been part and parcel to the evisceration of the US Constitution as much as anyone else. The “Supreme” part of the name of that group doesn’t make me believe they can read that simple document any better than I can. The beauty of our constitution was it was short and written to be read by the common man, not just some Constitutional scholar like, uhhh, Mr. Øb☭ma was, according to some photoshopped resume.

    As written here, if you go back in your memory (or read on cases) to back in the 70′s or even 80′s, that court used to be more about deciding cases in which a law that respected one part of the constitution was in some sort of conflict with another part, and it seemed these jurists then had at least a little integrity. These 9 old farts now just decide cases based on politics.

    Anyway, this decline in respect for that document has continued for a long time and through periods of both Red and Blue wings of The Party being in “control” of the Feral Beast.

    The answer to your question, in my opinion is that nobody WANTS to change the way things work (in complete violation), as then people may start to read the document and understand that the Feral Gov’t should be about 5% of the size it is now, per Amendment X.

    Have a good night, Mr. Mason.

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  41. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    “No epic population shifts impend.” USA is now 61% White. Not Epic.

    Every single sentence of Fred the Race traitor is bombastic. Not one normal declarative sentence from Fred.

    His ego is epic, his bullshit is epic, pure hammered shit, but vegetarian for the wimps.

    Joe Webb

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  42. Mark Presco says: • Website

    Fred just refuses to get it. Wasn’t he supposed to go into hiding? Like most globalists he doesn’t understand that cultures reflect the content of the character of the people who create them.

    He paints these dreamers as victims because they will have to live in the shitholes their people have made of their parts of the world while ignoring how Americans are being victimized by being forced to foot the bill to facilitate them turning our part of the world into the same kinds of shitholes that they don’t want to live in.

    Their parents are assholes for intentionally having children they know cannot provide for, and then intentionally dumping them on us and conning us into providing for them. What makes Fred think that they are not the next generation of identical assholes. In the movie “Elysium” they were still doing this into the twenty second century even though we fled the earth to escape there parasites.

    All of this is justified, of course, because we’re rich and they’re poor. Bullocks.

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  43. There is no point in engaging with Freda’s endless canards. This whole article was nothing but disingenuous, scurrilous slop.

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  44. Clyde says:

    One of Fred’s worst columns. As if this country has not been inundated enough by Mexico, Central America and third world. Immigration (legal and illegal) since the 1965 immigration act has been 90% non-white. Did Fred mention that each legalized DACA can bring in parents and family? So its not just about some cute kids what do well in school. In fact the DACA average age is 25.

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  45. Those in South America are, reading this, already are angry after reading the first few sentences, in their view they are as American as those in the USA and Canada.
    I therefore try not to use the word American when USA citizens are meant.

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  46. Not Fred’s best column. But I still want someone to explain why somebody whose parents snuck him across the border a dozen years ago at age 4, who has been an exemplary citizen in every way but legally, should be exiled at 16 from the only country he ever knew. Don’t tell me about the stats, or the economy, or The Law. Tell me about that kid.

    Yes, there are also 16-year-olds who were snuck across 4 years ago by their parents and have been in MS-13 ever since. I haven’t seen anyone addressing the difference between those cases. They’re all just “Dreamers,” and all I see is people yelling Dreamers gotta go! at people who yell We’re a nation of immigrants! back.

    Law is (or once was, anyway, or was once supposed to be) a tool to guide a society’s efforts to achieve Justice. Where’s the justice in exiling that blameless kid for his parents’ crime? If the Law is too blunt a tool to separate his case from the MS-13 thug’s, sharpen it. Don’t just bludgeon everyone it can reach.

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    But I still want someone to explain why somebody whose parents snuck him across the border a dozen years ago at age 4, who has been an exemplary citizen in every way but legally, should be exiled at 16 from the only country he ever knew.
     
    Well, 'every way but legally' seems like a huge caveat. Either you follow the law, or your follow your - and in that case: anyone's - sentiment. I'm sure there're situations where you would demand 'follow the law' approach against someone's sentiment - and feel just as righteous about it. That's a problem.
    , @Chris Mallory

    Tell me about that kid.
     
    He is not an American. He does not belong in the United States. He is a criminal. He has to go back.

    That enough?
    , @Daniel Chieh
    I'm sure there's a place for exceptions on a case to case basis. But you can't have exceptions if you don't first set the rule.
    , @anon
    The reason someone snuck in at age 4, who has been an exemplary person, should be returned to his actual home country is simple.

    To save his life.

    If the invaders are not cast out in this generation, then in the next generation the battle will be over who is on which side of the barbed wire fences of the death camps.

    I say this not to advocate such genocide, but in the hope of preventing it.

    Go home, invaders, or your children and our children will grow up to kill each other.
    , @Intelligent Dasein
    Oh, shove a tampon in it.

    Nations are constituted for the benefit of the people who constitute them, not for anybody who wants to show up to the party. You tell me where's the justice in forcing American citizens to accommodate border jumpers and their children. Tell me where's the justice in not restoring them to their own proper countries, since it is those countries that have a legitimate claim on them and whatever value they provide. Tell me where's the justice in Western nations sucking up the dregs of the Third World and converting them into a class of helots (Angela Merkel does this frankly and openly, with no second thoughts, no trace of comprehension that she is now one of the world's largest slavers and a towering hypocrite with respect to her own stated morality).

    What does 'justice' mean to you, anyway? Because in the real world, justice meas equanimity and proportionality; it means everyone gets what he is due. How could that kid be due any more than what this country has already provided him? Despite not being a citizen, we've raised him, fed him, educated him, brought him up. We've allowed him all the benefits of growing up in a clean and still basically functioning commonwealth. We don't owe him anything else---in fact, he owes us! We would be perfectly within our rights to indenture that kid and force him to spend his life paying back the advances we've already invested in him. But we will forego the strict measure of justice, and magnanimously send him back hale and hearty to his own people, for the greater good that our children will not have to fight with him to get back their own rightful inheritance.
    , @MarkinLA
    Tell me about that kid.

    If the US government had done what it promised Americans back in 1986, that kid would have been deported back when he was 4 along with his family. Better late than never.
    , @Randal

    But I still want someone to explain why somebody whose parents snuck him across the border a dozen years ago at age 4, who has been an exemplary citizen in every way but legally, should be exiled at 16 from the only country he ever knew.
     
    Pour encourager les autres.

    That's what government is about when it isn't driven by immature sentimentality (or shameless self-interest using sentimentality as a cover). In the long run, fewer people suffer, and the ones to blame for any suffering on the part of the child are not those who enforce the law but the parents who defied the law and made their child a lawbreaker and a person without a true nation.
    , @Bill Jones
    The criminal should be shipped back because of this
    https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/the-typical-male-u-s-worker-earned-less-in-2014-than-in-1973/

    "The typical man with a full-time job–the one at the statistical middle of the middle–earned $50,383 last year, the Census Bureau reported this week.

    The typical man with a full-time job in 1973 earned $53,294, measured in 2014 dollars to adjust for inflation."
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  47. @Hippocerus
    Not Fred's best column. But I still want someone to explain why somebody whose parents snuck him across the border a dozen years ago at age 4, who has been an exemplary citizen in every way but legally, should be exiled at 16 from the only country he ever knew. Don't tell me about the stats, or the economy, or The Law. Tell me about that kid.

    Yes, there are also 16-year-olds who were snuck across 4 years ago by their parents and have been in MS-13 ever since. I haven't seen anyone addressing the difference between those cases. They're all just "Dreamers," and all I see is people yelling Dreamers gotta go! at people who yell We're a nation of immigrants! back.

    Law is (or once was, anyway, or was once supposed to be) a tool to guide a society's efforts to achieve Justice. Where's the justice in exiling that blameless kid for his parents' crime? If the Law is too blunt a tool to separate his case from the MS-13 thug's, sharpen it. Don't just bludgeon everyone it can reach.

    But I still want someone to explain why somebody whose parents snuck him across the border a dozen years ago at age 4, who has been an exemplary citizen in every way but legally, should be exiled at 16 from the only country he ever knew.

    Well, ‘every way but legally‘ seems like a huge caveat. Either you follow the law, or your follow your – and in that case: anyone’s – sentiment. I’m sure there’re situations where you would demand ‘follow the law’ approach against someone’s sentiment – and feel just as righteous about it. That’s a problem.

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  48. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Grandpa Charlie
    Fred Reed is a very good writer but so is Carlton Meyer of G2mil, who should be given some kind of official Unz Review status such as what Fred has.

    Anyway, here's my 2 cents, which is something going back about ten years or a little more. I was trying to promote the idea that the best way to enforce laws against blatantly illegal immigration in the agricultural sector would be RICO. The glove fits perfectly. You know that there's agricultural production and the labor is 90% done by illegals. But if you bust the illegals, the employers get to keep more of their wages and they get replacements soon enough, sometimes the same people if you can just wait a week or two. If you bust the labor contractors, even if you seize their old broken down crummies, another labor contractor appears under a different name, sometimes with the same old broken down crummies. BUT, if you seize the land itself (or the meat packing plant, for example), that's going to have an impact, that's going to make a difference. Which is why it never happens.

    So about ten years ago or a little more, I researched extensively and ... guess what? ... I discovered that there was one county in Idaho where a Prosecutor had attempted exactly this strategy ... and guess what? ... he was soon enough replaced.

    What can we do? The Democrats will likely try to jail you for a hate crime if you complain about illegal immigrants in agriculture, but the Republicans ... well, I investigated in the Pacific NW back around 40 years ago when I wanted to know how come when harvest time came around, the "migra" I guess is what's it's called, anyway there was an office for it, but the guys in charge were always somewhere else at harvest time, so I looked up local federal reps and senators and ... guess what? ... I found out that one of the biggest NW growers was a member of the RNC. But then I was all enthused back in 2004 when the 'W' admin. made that big bust of the kosher meat packing company in Iowa ... and they rounded up not only the ordinary workers but the managers and lab techs (who were working illegally while on tourist visas from Israel) and then right in the middle of the plant, the feds busted into a carefully locked room ... and found a meth lab operation to rival the one run by Mr. Chicken and Walter White (in Breaking Bad) and then ... then the story disappeared when the DEA got involved ... apparently it all became Top Secret at that point and it would have endangered national security to investigate any further Imagine what might have happened if we did not have the PATRIOT Act?

    Fred Reed is a very good writer but so is Carlton Meyer of G2mil,

    Fred Reed is a talker.
    Carlton Meyer is a thinker.
    There is a difference.

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  49. @Hippocerus
    Not Fred's best column. But I still want someone to explain why somebody whose parents snuck him across the border a dozen years ago at age 4, who has been an exemplary citizen in every way but legally, should be exiled at 16 from the only country he ever knew. Don't tell me about the stats, or the economy, or The Law. Tell me about that kid.

    Yes, there are also 16-year-olds who were snuck across 4 years ago by their parents and have been in MS-13 ever since. I haven't seen anyone addressing the difference between those cases. They're all just "Dreamers," and all I see is people yelling Dreamers gotta go! at people who yell We're a nation of immigrants! back.

    Law is (or once was, anyway, or was once supposed to be) a tool to guide a society's efforts to achieve Justice. Where's the justice in exiling that blameless kid for his parents' crime? If the Law is too blunt a tool to separate his case from the MS-13 thug's, sharpen it. Don't just bludgeon everyone it can reach.

    Tell me about that kid.

    He is not an American. He does not belong in the United States. He is a criminal. He has to go back.

    That enough?

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  50. Fred’s viewpoints are well-known here and while I don’t agree, I do want to take up something he said which I feel is worth discussing.

    He suggests that neither party is actually interested in doing anything substantive.

    Is he wrong?

    The Trump backers want the illegals gone but I don’t see anyone in washington doing much to make that happen. Certainy not the democrats, which is of course expected, but where is the republican party in all this? Making noises here and there but ultimately it seems, going along with it because they see there’s too much money for their corporate donors to make off cheap, illegal labor.

    And therein lies the crux, much like all the fanfare from the republicans about Obamacare proved to be good propaganda for 8 years and of no substance when they had the chance for repeal, I see this issue in a similar vein.

    nobody in washington really wants to do anything and that’s why we are in so much trouble.

    Oh and I immigrated to the US LEGALLY and went through quite a bit to get here. It’s a disgrace that these people are given a free pass while some of us had to go through the very taxing, costly, trying legal process, and actually WANT to be americans because we believe in what this country was founded on.

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  51. StephenC says:

    Fred the Mexican is a bit out of touch. He makes the case that conservatives, republicans and businesses are pro-immigration.

    Really? Thanks for the scoop, Fred.

    I’d estimate that something close to 99.995% of all anti-immigration types in the US are keenly aware that the drive for cheap, readily exploitable brown-skinned labor is a huge contributor. It’s kind of hard not to notice.

    I should add that I know more than a few businessmen who’ve hired more than a few wetbacks. They’re all ashamed and embarassed. I think the tide can be turned, at least among smaller businesses hiring illegals, with a bit of social pressure.

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    I think the tide can be turned, at least among smaller businesses hiring illegals, with a bit of social pressure.
     
    If you succumb to this social pressure and hire citizens for twice the hourly wage, while I, your competitor, ignore it - it won't be too long till you're out of business altogether.
    , @poop
    Dude, you are so right! I can see that Masters in Economics from MIT is paying off.
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  52. @Hippocerus
    Not Fred's best column. But I still want someone to explain why somebody whose parents snuck him across the border a dozen years ago at age 4, who has been an exemplary citizen in every way but legally, should be exiled at 16 from the only country he ever knew. Don't tell me about the stats, or the economy, or The Law. Tell me about that kid.

    Yes, there are also 16-year-olds who were snuck across 4 years ago by their parents and have been in MS-13 ever since. I haven't seen anyone addressing the difference between those cases. They're all just "Dreamers," and all I see is people yelling Dreamers gotta go! at people who yell We're a nation of immigrants! back.

    Law is (or once was, anyway, or was once supposed to be) a tool to guide a society's efforts to achieve Justice. Where's the justice in exiling that blameless kid for his parents' crime? If the Law is too blunt a tool to separate his case from the MS-13 thug's, sharpen it. Don't just bludgeon everyone it can reach.

    I’m sure there’s a place for exceptions on a case to case basis. But you can’t have exceptions if you don’t first set the rule.

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  53. JEC says:

    DACA immigrants or “dreamers” would not be given a moment’s consideration if gross sentimentality wasn’t rooted in the social conditioning of the majority of American politicians.

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  54. @StephenC
    Fred the Mexican is a bit out of touch. He makes the case that conservatives, republicans and businesses are pro-immigration.

    Really? Thanks for the scoop, Fred.

    I'd estimate that something close to 99.995% of all anti-immigration types in the US are keenly aware that the drive for cheap, readily exploitable brown-skinned labor is a huge contributor. It's kind of hard not to notice.

    I should add that I know more than a few businessmen who've hired more than a few wetbacks. They're all ashamed and embarassed. I think the tide can be turned, at least among smaller businesses hiring illegals, with a bit of social pressure.

    I think the tide can be turned, at least among smaller businesses hiring illegals, with a bit of social pressure.

    If you succumb to this social pressure and hire citizens for twice the hourly wage, while I, your competitor, ignore it – it won’t be too long till you’re out of business altogether.

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    Someone who's paying twice the hourly wage is going to get all the best workers. You may make money at first, but you're going to go crazy trying to manage all your incompetent blockheads. And if you're doing anything other than crop picking, the quality of the work your people produce, if they're doing something like construction, is going to be crap. That will result is a lot of bad word going around about your business, and you'll likely be sued by angry clients for shoddy work that doesn't meet code. Hope you like being a fly-by-night business one step ahead of the law.
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  55. TG says:

    Until about 1970, illegal immigration into the United States was nearly zero, because the laws were enforced.

    Important point: what keeps illegal immigrants out is not so much border security as internal enforcement. If people know that, even if they sneak past the fence, they will be hunted and under constant threat, if they see that other people are being deported etc., they will tend not to try.

    What keeps people from trespassing onto Zuckerberg’s walled estates? The knowledge that if they trespass, they will be illegal, and sooner or later they will be escorted off the property by police, and likely fined or jailed. Therefore Zuckerberg can enjoy his lands in peace without intruders.

    Since about 1970, because of the cheap labor lobby, the United States has increasingly refused to enforce the laws against illegal immigration. It is pinning out of control – if we had simply continued to enforce the laws, there would be no issue, but at this point regaining control will be difficult or painful. But if we don’t then before too long this nation will be just another overpopulated and undercapitalized third-world sweatshop.

    Suppose I steal your car, and give it to one of my kids. You find out after a while, and want your car back. Oh but have you no compassion? My kid didn’t make the decision; they committed no crime, and now they are using it and need it to go to work etc. Boo hoo. You’d take the car back. Foreign nationals who are in the country illegally are thieves, they are stealing jobs and resources etc. from US citizens, and it doesn’t matter that taking away what was illegally given to them will inconvenience them. A healthy nation is not founded on the idea that avoiding the inconvenience for the citizens of other nations is more important than defending the core interests of the citizenry.

    And really, it is not that important that all the ‘dreamers’ go back home. What is critical is that the ‘dreamers’ find it increasingly unpleasant to be here, so that future foreign tresspassers are deterred.

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  56. anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Hippocerus
    Not Fred's best column. But I still want someone to explain why somebody whose parents snuck him across the border a dozen years ago at age 4, who has been an exemplary citizen in every way but legally, should be exiled at 16 from the only country he ever knew. Don't tell me about the stats, or the economy, or The Law. Tell me about that kid.

    Yes, there are also 16-year-olds who were snuck across 4 years ago by their parents and have been in MS-13 ever since. I haven't seen anyone addressing the difference between those cases. They're all just "Dreamers," and all I see is people yelling Dreamers gotta go! at people who yell We're a nation of immigrants! back.

    Law is (or once was, anyway, or was once supposed to be) a tool to guide a society's efforts to achieve Justice. Where's the justice in exiling that blameless kid for his parents' crime? If the Law is too blunt a tool to separate his case from the MS-13 thug's, sharpen it. Don't just bludgeon everyone it can reach.

    The reason someone snuck in at age 4, who has been an exemplary person, should be returned to his actual home country is simple.

    To save his life.

    If the invaders are not cast out in this generation, then in the next generation the battle will be over who is on which side of the barbed wire fences of the death camps.

    I say this not to advocate such genocide, but in the hope of preventing it.

    Go home, invaders, or your children and our children will grow up to kill each other.

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    Go home, invaders, or your children and our children will grow up to kill each other.
     
    If Americans just go back to their side of the Rockies nobody needs to kill anyone.
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  57. Since about 1970, because of the cheap labor lobby, the United States has increasingly refused to enforce the laws against illegal immigration. It is pinning out of control – if we had simply continued to enforce the laws, there would be no issue, but at this point regaining control will be difficult or painful.

    That is the nub of the problem. You could not just immigrate into most other countries and stay there, you would be kicked out.

    I was amazed many years ago when I first came to the US that a patient in a state mental hospital who was an illegal alien could not just be discharged to his country of origin.

    When I worked for the government of Bermuda, that happened all the time. If a tourist or seaman on a passing ship, or even a passenger on a passing jet went nuts and had to be taken to the nearest mental hospital, they were treated, stabilized, and then escorted back to their country of origin and delivered to authorities there, whether in Greece, Canada, Colombia, or the US.

    There was no need to get a court order to remove them from the country, because they had no right to be there in the first place and taxpayer-paid health services were just provided as a courtesy until they could go back where they belonged.

    The problem is that the legal system in the US seems to have been paralyzed into inaction by the nation’s history as a refuge for immigrants and the lack of ability of the so-called “states” (really just provinces since the Civil War) to make their own laws on the question of who can inhabit them.

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  58. Regarding how Mexicans take jobs from Americans.

    There are large numbers of small contractors (usually of Mexican descent) who call to Mexico for a number of workers to come north when they win a bid or have an opportunity for work. There will be large numbers of such workers traveling north for cleanup and construction work in Texas and Florida after the recent/ongoing storms, for example.

    They rent a dump of a house or trailer and put the crew in it with a minimum of furniture. Depending on the length of the job the workers may bring wives to clean and cook. The workers put in long hours and complain, but they are waaay cheaper than the American workers who were beaten out in the bid for the job. They know better than to complain too much as they have no independent way to make it north of the border.

    A few, the hardest workers and most reliable, work their way into the full time crew and may even get a green card, often through some subterfuge. Some others just hang around scrounging day work after the job ends

    That’s why you see all those buses traveling the interstates back and forth to Northern Mexico.

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    The city of San Fernando was having a serious problem with absentee landlords and illegal alien construction workers about 20 years ago. Someone would buy a dilapidated 2 bedroom 1 bath house for next to nothing and then rent floor space to an illegal for about 125 a month and get about 25 of them at a time. The house would be destroyed in about 5 years but by that time the place was paid for 3 times over.
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  59. aandrews says:

    Here’s some background material for your next column, Fred:

    Kill All Normies: Angela Nagle On The Alt-Right

    (Video mentioned in the discussion: “We memed alt-right into existence”)

    She’s the author of the recent book, Kill All Normies: Online Culture Wars From 4Chan And Tumblr To Trump And The Alt-Right.

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  60. prusmc says:
    @Sweep the leg
    So that's it, we have to assimilate them! Now I get it! 'Cept no. Where I work, in AZ, the Meskins speak Spanish to each other all the time, especially in front of the gringos, and especially if they are able to speak English. Outside of work, you ask? Same. Momma-sita and her brood go with Spanish over English all the time. They also have a thing about leaving garbage everywhere. Even in decent neighborhoods. They live closely together, staying with their own. See, Fred? They CHOOSE not to assimilate. How are we to accomplish the goal of assimilation, when they simply don't give a sh!t? Fred is a traitor, plain and simple. We need to come up with a way to "assimilate them", when they want only to live as meskins in a far better place. I take it back. Traitor is inappropriate. Out of touch with reality works better...

    Back in 73, I was a participant in a two week Navy Race Relations/EEO workshop. The program was just starting out so to some extent they were developing the Program of Instruction (POI). Originally, the concern was mal- treatment/mis-treatment of Blacks not yet Afro-Americans and the lingering effects of Jim Crow discrimination.The apparent intent and likely result was to put a guilt burden on all White participants. As an add on, there was a Mexican American (Hispanic came later) two day presentation. The lead authority was a professor from California. Again the usual hang your head in shame routine. While I had what I thought had been great military experience with men with Spanish surnames, I was damned as an ethnic over-dog by an authority figure who had spent not a day in uniform. The professor asked us to call him Lew for Luis, clearly stated that his people had no intention of assimilating. This was opposed to the Black presenters who were willing to accept the White folks after they had properly acknowledge that we had been sinners and deserved punishment. I read somewhere that Fred indicated a high rate of Hispanics marrying non-Hispanics. My questions: are these Hispanic Females Marrying males or Hispanic males marrying non-Hispanic females or are both marrying heavily into the Afro-American community?

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    Very intelligent, thought provoking anecdote and questions.

    You should not be shamed for being white; you have no control over that.

    However, I query whether or not one should be ashamed of being a fuck-tard?
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  61. Used to like Fred. Now he is just a burned out, old, embittered race traitor, seduced by his 16 year old housemaid, no doubt. As for the “inevitability” of permanent demographic changes to our country, talk to the millions ethnically cleansed or expelled in the 20th century., from dozens of countries. Nothing is written. Mass expulsions are only an economic collapse away, Fred.

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    An economic crisis is very unlikely, but whole classes of occupation are going to disappear in a white heat of apps-automation, and those typically immigrant jobs Fred talks about are going to be at a high premium. When Americans do want to do them, but they go to people who got into the country illegally, an epic confrontation will follow. And the unwisdom of allowing the populace access to firearms will become apparent.
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  62. vx37 says:

    In what universe is it good for the natives to turn over their territory to hostile foreigners? To become a hated minority in their own homeland? Of course the invaders are culturally, economically, and politically destructive to the natives, they couldn’t be otherwise. The have no real benefit to whites on the whole whatsoever, many negatives, and so obvious are these facts that for decades the only positive that pro-invasion supporters could muster in defense of their program is that it produces better restaurants. The idea that mass invasion holds any good for its victims is preposterous on the face of it.

    When you have a third-world population you’ll be a third-world nation. These colonists will put far leftists in power and those leftists will rape the First and Second Amendments to death, they’re already in the process of doing so. You have a choice between multi-racialism and freedom, you can’t have both. When you see antifa silencing all political opposition with violence, when you see the openly racist against whites nature of that violence, understand that it is downstream from open borders. They no longer have to fear a political backlash from the “silent majority” against their open racism and murder of basic democratic principles is made possible because of the tribal politics of the New People they have imported. “We’ve already replaced you” is their arrogant, accurate, and genocidal brag.

    Immigration is about race, it’s strictly a racial program, driven by three groups: white-hating, genocidal racists of the far left/non-white coalition, those who collaborate with genocide for profit (Republican and Conservative leadership), and those who collaborate out of fear (the majority of whites and the Republican and Conservative rank and file). The racist don’t care what comes after as long as whites are subjugated and eventually eliminated, which is why they are more than happy to turn over areas of Europe to sharia law. It has no important economic or political aspect to those pushing it, it’s pure hate. It’s long time passed that we should cease talking about the false aspects of the program and demand that its proponents explain why the extermination of whites is justified.

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  63. Wally says:
    @KenH

    For course there are no hard records about these foreign invaders, so much of this can be claimed with no proof.
     
    And therein lies the problem and the reason DACA should be scrapped forthwith. It will be almost impossible to deny any illegal alien under 31 seeking relief under this program which is deliberately how it was designed by the Obama camp.

    But dipshit Trump thinks his Javanka inspired "humane" and "centrist" approach is so clever that it will lead to a windfall of Latino support. It will only alienate that portion of his base that aren't "Trump, right or wrong" types or what I call the Trumptards.

    Michigan, Pennsylvania and Florida will likely flip back to the Dems in 2020 since people will be angry and demoralized and we can say hello to Obama 2.0 in the form of Kamala Harris or Deval Patrick (who Hussein O is encouraging to run). And mass amnesty will be at the top of the agenda this time around.

    IOW, you voted for Hillary.

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    No, Wally World, I voted for Trump but my continued support is conditional upon him keeping his campaign promises on immigration and foreign policy. If it makes you feel good to mindlessly scream "MAGA" every five minutes even when Trump is willing to legalize DREAMers when candidate Trump said he wouldn't then be my guest.

    Trump was supposed to reverse Obama era policies, not continue them. Trump has plenty of advisers who are liberal Democrats like (((Ivanka, Jared and Gary Kohn))) along with others and who would be serving in a Hildabeast administration..

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  64. Wally says:
    @Carlton Meyer
    Like all open border advocates, Mr. Reed spins reality. First, DACA is illegal and unconstitutional, something sane Americans agree upon. President Obama "created" the program with no legislation, and he openly said because Congress refused to pass his proposed law. Whatever one thinks of the idea, Obama acted as a tyrant on behalf of corporate America that wants to flood the nation with ever more workers to drive down wages. A federal judge halted the program for that reason. If DACA is a good idea, Congress must legislate this, it is called democracy.

    Second, DACA immigrants had to be younger than age 31 on June 15, 2012, must have come to the U.S. when they were younger than 16, and must have lived in the U.S. since 2007. In August 2012, the Pew Research Center estimated that up to 1.7 million people might be eligible. For course there are no hard records about these foreign invaders, so much of this can be claimed with no proof.

    But what about all those who arrived in 2008? and 2009? Of course they must now be included. and what about those crossing now! And of once the kids get resident cards ("kids" up to 36) their parents and siblings can get them too.

    So we are talking about tens of millions now here illegally getting SSNs then applying to collect tens of billions of dollars in annual in federal benefits. Legal foreigners automatically get SSI as "aged" disabled without ever paying a cent in SS or income taxes. Millions will continue to pour across as Latinos arrive and millions from Africa who are crossing over to South America and claim "asylum" to cross, then bingo, their kids are here and its not their fault so they DACA over to the welfare office.

    This is a tough issue, and it is all the result of the two previous amnesties. Now Mr. Reed and corporate America demand another amnesty to solve the problem? And we are not getting their best, as President Trump once said and was trounced on by Reed other spinmasters for speaking the truth. These are unwanted economic refugees, pouring across and clogging our schools, hospitals, jails, and poor areas.

    Is rent and housing too expensive? Are roads clogged? Are schools overcrowded? What would happen if those millions of illegal visitors were sent home. This is not impossible, Ike did this in the 1950s. The majority of Americans would support this, yet corporate media has made it clear that only racists oppose open borders, and even twisted the positive word "nationalist" to mean evil white workers crazy enough to resist globalization. Meanwhile corporate billionaires boast how they prefer to hire foreigners to work in the USA rather than citizens to show their support for one world rule.

    Mr. Reed says Mexico is a great place to live, better than the USA. Then he should favor mass deportation to return millions of confused Mexicans to their home of birth and where they are citizens, unless he fears these unwanteds will end up loose in his nice, new town whose homeless, unemployed, and fugitives were sent North for decades.

    If these millions of Mexicans are such a great economic benefit, Mexico and Mr. Reed, should welcome mass deportations. And they can grant automatic citizenship to the millions of Africans now crossing Mexico, instead of busing to the American border. Mexico will boom with more GDP "activity".

    Well said.

    Exporting Mexicans to the US and then receiving the money those illegals send back to Mexico means that illegals are Mexico’s most profitable export.
    Mexico’s govt. actually facilitates the export of Mexicans to the US.

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  65. @Hippocerus
    Not Fred's best column. But I still want someone to explain why somebody whose parents snuck him across the border a dozen years ago at age 4, who has been an exemplary citizen in every way but legally, should be exiled at 16 from the only country he ever knew. Don't tell me about the stats, or the economy, or The Law. Tell me about that kid.

    Yes, there are also 16-year-olds who were snuck across 4 years ago by their parents and have been in MS-13 ever since. I haven't seen anyone addressing the difference between those cases. They're all just "Dreamers," and all I see is people yelling Dreamers gotta go! at people who yell We're a nation of immigrants! back.

    Law is (or once was, anyway, or was once supposed to be) a tool to guide a society's efforts to achieve Justice. Where's the justice in exiling that blameless kid for his parents' crime? If the Law is too blunt a tool to separate his case from the MS-13 thug's, sharpen it. Don't just bludgeon everyone it can reach.

    Oh, shove a tampon in it.

    Nations are constituted for the benefit of the people who constitute them, not for anybody who wants to show up to the party. You tell me where’s the justice in forcing American citizens to accommodate border jumpers and their children. Tell me where’s the justice in not restoring them to their own proper countries, since it is those countries that have a legitimate claim on them and whatever value they provide. Tell me where’s the justice in Western nations sucking up the dregs of the Third World and converting them into a class of helots (Angela Merkel does this frankly and openly, with no second thoughts, no trace of comprehension that she is now one of the world’s largest slavers and a towering hypocrite with respect to her own stated morality).

    What does ‘justice’ mean to you, anyway? Because in the real world, justice meas equanimity and proportionality; it means everyone gets what he is due. How could that kid be due any more than what this country has already provided him? Despite not being a citizen, we’ve raised him, fed him, educated him, brought him up. We’ve allowed him all the benefits of growing up in a clean and still basically functioning commonwealth. We don’t owe him anything else—in fact, he owes us! We would be perfectly within our rights to indenture that kid and force him to spend his life paying back the advances we’ve already invested in him. But we will forego the strict measure of justice, and magnanimously send him back hale and hearty to his own people, for the greater good that our children will not have to fight with him to get back their own rightful inheritance.

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    Yeah, tell him "Intelligent Dasein"! He owes us! His own people! Merica...Fuck yeah!

    I so hope that you are right so all of our children can grow up with their rightful inheritance and pick crops in the scorching heat of the Imperial Valley.
    , @Corvinus
    "Nations are constituted for the benefit of the people who constitute them, not for anybody who wants to show up to the party."

    Tell that to your ancestors who came here as the nativists employed the same reasoning to tell them "you must go back".

    "You tell me where’s the justice in forcing American citizens to accommodate border jumpers and their children."

    There is a legitimate point here. Every dog has its day, I guess.

    "Tell me where’s the justice in Western nations sucking up the dregs of the Third World and converting them into a class of helots."

    Then you write this slog. In some cases, the colonists and immigrants who helped to build our great land were also characterized in this fashion.

    "What does ‘justice’ mean to you, anyway? Because in the real world, justice meas equanimity and proportionality; it means everyone gets what he is due. How could that kid be due any more than what this country has already provided him? Despite not being a citizen, we’ve raised him, fed him, educated him, brought him up."

    And how have they turned out, generally speaking?
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  66. @Anonymous
    "No epic population shifts impend." USA is now 61% White. Not Epic.

    Every single sentence of Fred the Race traitor is bombastic. Not one normal declarative sentence from Fred.

    His ego is epic, his bullshit is epic, pure hammered shit, but vegetarian for the wimps.

    Joe Webb

    Nice one, Joe Webb.

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  67. anonymous says: • Disclaimer
    @Carlton Meyer
    Like all open border advocates, Mr. Reed spins reality. First, DACA is illegal and unconstitutional, something sane Americans agree upon. President Obama "created" the program with no legislation, and he openly said because Congress refused to pass his proposed law. Whatever one thinks of the idea, Obama acted as a tyrant on behalf of corporate America that wants to flood the nation with ever more workers to drive down wages. A federal judge halted the program for that reason. If DACA is a good idea, Congress must legislate this, it is called democracy.

    Second, DACA immigrants had to be younger than age 31 on June 15, 2012, must have come to the U.S. when they were younger than 16, and must have lived in the U.S. since 2007. In August 2012, the Pew Research Center estimated that up to 1.7 million people might be eligible. For course there are no hard records about these foreign invaders, so much of this can be claimed with no proof.

    But what about all those who arrived in 2008? and 2009? Of course they must now be included. and what about those crossing now! And of once the kids get resident cards ("kids" up to 36) their parents and siblings can get them too.

    So we are talking about tens of millions now here illegally getting SSNs then applying to collect tens of billions of dollars in annual in federal benefits. Legal foreigners automatically get SSI as "aged" disabled without ever paying a cent in SS or income taxes. Millions will continue to pour across as Latinos arrive and millions from Africa who are crossing over to South America and claim "asylum" to cross, then bingo, their kids are here and its not their fault so they DACA over to the welfare office.

    This is a tough issue, and it is all the result of the two previous amnesties. Now Mr. Reed and corporate America demand another amnesty to solve the problem? And we are not getting their best, as President Trump once said and was trounced on by Reed other spinmasters for speaking the truth. These are unwanted economic refugees, pouring across and clogging our schools, hospitals, jails, and poor areas.

    Is rent and housing too expensive? Are roads clogged? Are schools overcrowded? What would happen if those millions of illegal visitors were sent home. This is not impossible, Ike did this in the 1950s. The majority of Americans would support this, yet corporate media has made it clear that only racists oppose open borders, and even twisted the positive word "nationalist" to mean evil white workers crazy enough to resist globalization. Meanwhile corporate billionaires boast how they prefer to hire foreigners to work in the USA rather than citizens to show their support for one world rule.

    Mr. Reed says Mexico is a great place to live, better than the USA. Then he should favor mass deportation to return millions of confused Mexicans to their home of birth and where they are citizens, unless he fears these unwanteds will end up loose in his nice, new town whose homeless, unemployed, and fugitives were sent North for decades.

    If these millions of Mexicans are such a great economic benefit, Mexico and Mr. Reed, should welcome mass deportations. And they can grant automatic citizenship to the millions of Africans now crossing Mexico, instead of busing to the American border. Mexico will boom with more GDP "activity".

    “What would happen if those millions of illegal visitors were sent home. This is not impossible, Ike did this in the 1950s. ”

    The numbers that the Eisenhower Administration faced in the 50s pale in comparison to 2017, and as you yourself correctly wrote “there are no hard records about these foreigners.” Indeed. After all, they are “undocumented” i.e. illegal so how can anyone know how many of ‘em there really are in the first place. Does anyone really know HOW many illegals there are in this country, let alone “Dreamers.” I totally agree with you in general but, let’s face it, the time to have acted was in 1965–or at least by 1986 when the original bill was “reformed.” But nothing was done. Why? Because there was no national will then and there isn’t any now. The public either didn’t give a rat’s ass and was content with doing what America does best, buy and spend, or they bought into the liberal banalities as exemplified by that Lazarus poem (which, the last time I checked, was a poem–not a law).

    Whatever, now the barn door is closed and the horses are out in pasture. The Wall? Fuggedaboudit! Too little, too late. If we, the citizens, had done our job in insisting that the existing laws be enforced there would be no need for a wall. In fact, we wouldn’t be having this extended “conversation” in the first place.

    The government is supposed to serve at our pleasure and we, the voters, are charged with the responsibility of watching both the policymakers and the bureaucrats who administer policy. In regards to immigration we dropped the ball. And now it may be too late.

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    Why? Because there was no national will then and there isn’t any now. The public either didn’t give a rat’s ass and was content with doing what America does best, buy and spend, or they bought into the liberal banalities as exemplified by that Lazarus poem (which, the last time I checked, was a poem–not a law).

    Sorry but this is total BS. It doesn't matter what the public wants when the government refuses to enforce the law. Yes, you can vote them out but look how long it takes for people, even with the internet and alternate news sources, to truely understand the lies and deceit of the government. Maybe you forgot about groups like Ranch Rescue and the Minutemen who were down at the border trying to help the Border Pastrol out and the US governement and white hating groups like the ADL were looking for anybody they could that would make a claim against these people so the US government could put them in prison for 10 years.

    The Minutemen had to videotape everything they did. When they found an almost dead illegal they placed a bottle of water a few feet in front of the illegal so as to make sure they didn't inadvertently touch him lest GWB's POS US attorney Sutton would file charges against them.

    , @MarkinLA
    One thing I should have added is our ridiculous notion of "standing" in US courts. If the US government refuses to enforce the law, I as a citizen can do nothing about it because I "lack standing" even though I have to pay for the illegals, I have to put up with their crime, I have to put up with all the negatives because some clown in a black robe thinks an individual doesn't have standing to force the government to enforce the laws it has on the books. The government will argue and the court agree that I am not harmed and therefore cannot use the courts for redress.

    The average citizen is screwed in this system.
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  68. utu says:

    Unfortunately Fred Reed’s assessment is correct. Nothing will change. Immigration will stay at the same rate or higher and illegals will not be deported and no real effort to curb hiring of illegals will be made.

    Both parties are for immigration. Democrats overtly play to the tune of the sentiments of the notion of the nation of immigrants and republicans less overtly will do everything to provide cheap labor to their base.

    Democrats are the useful idiots to Republicans who are real beneficiaries of large immigration. The Republican voters who are against the immigration are the real idiots who are not even useful to their own party.

    The only purpose of the wall was to keep attention from employers who hire illegals. No wall would be needed if the laws penalizing employers were enforced.

    Obviously no wall will be built.

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    "Obviously no wall will be built"
     
    About half of the illegals came in originally on temporary visas and simply stayed. So the wall has always been a distraction. The focus on Mexicans and other Latinos is understandable, but it overlooks the millions from Asia and Africa. The real immigrant tsunami will come from Africa, Middle East,India, and China. Latinos are disruptive for lower middle class jobs, schools, government spending, etc... but there is actually a limit on how many would come and they pose less of a cultural challenge.

    As chain migration gathers speed, US will get tens of millions African, Indian, Chinese and other Asian migrants. E.g. just Pakistan has close to 150 million people, is growing fast, and they have a foothold in US with the already present migrants. Millions will try to join them and it is not hard - it takes time, paperwork, some fraud, some money.

    They come with visas - family, tourist, student, whatever - and stay. There are 3-4 billion people in those countries - Latin America is a fraction of that. The only way to control it is with a change in family reunification visas and with local enforcement in schools, jobs, etc... And with tougher airport enforcement for overstayers. Since that is unlikely to happen - too many screamers and local beneficiaries - get ready for a soon-to-be 500 million US, and then 700 million heading towards a billion.

    United States has been too much of a good thing, so as with all good things, it has been over-subscribed and overused. It will be missed....

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  69. Jews are smart. Obviously.

    That means we have people like Ron Unz.

    Unfortunately, it also means we have White-hating shysters relentless pushing open borders:
    — [ http://balder[DOT]org/judea/Hate-Speech-Laws-Immigration-Jewish-Influence-USA.php ]

    The goyim know.

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  70. MarkinLA says:
    @Hippocerus
    Not Fred's best column. But I still want someone to explain why somebody whose parents snuck him across the border a dozen years ago at age 4, who has been an exemplary citizen in every way but legally, should be exiled at 16 from the only country he ever knew. Don't tell me about the stats, or the economy, or The Law. Tell me about that kid.

    Yes, there are also 16-year-olds who were snuck across 4 years ago by their parents and have been in MS-13 ever since. I haven't seen anyone addressing the difference between those cases. They're all just "Dreamers," and all I see is people yelling Dreamers gotta go! at people who yell We're a nation of immigrants! back.

    Law is (or once was, anyway, or was once supposed to be) a tool to guide a society's efforts to achieve Justice. Where's the justice in exiling that blameless kid for his parents' crime? If the Law is too blunt a tool to separate his case from the MS-13 thug's, sharpen it. Don't just bludgeon everyone it can reach.

    Tell me about that kid.

    If the US government had done what it promised Americans back in 1986, that kid would have been deported back when he was 4 along with his family. Better late than never.

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  71. MarkinLA says:
    @another fred
    Regarding how Mexicans take jobs from Americans.

    There are large numbers of small contractors (usually of Mexican descent) who call to Mexico for a number of workers to come north when they win a bid or have an opportunity for work. There will be large numbers of such workers traveling north for cleanup and construction work in Texas and Florida after the recent/ongoing storms, for example.

    They rent a dump of a house or trailer and put the crew in it with a minimum of furniture. Depending on the length of the job the workers may bring wives to clean and cook. The workers put in long hours and complain, but they are waaay cheaper than the American workers who were beaten out in the bid for the job. They know better than to complain too much as they have no independent way to make it north of the border.

    A few, the hardest workers and most reliable, work their way into the full time crew and may even get a green card, often through some subterfuge. Some others just hang around scrounging day work after the job ends

    That's why you see all those buses traveling the interstates back and forth to Northern Mexico.

    The city of San Fernando was having a serious problem with absentee landlords and illegal alien construction workers about 20 years ago. Someone would buy a dilapidated 2 bedroom 1 bath house for next to nothing and then rent floor space to an illegal for about 125 a month and get about 25 of them at a time. The house would be destroyed in about 5 years but by that time the place was paid for 3 times over.

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    Thanks for this nugget of info.

    What, exactly, the fuck is your point?

    Thanks!
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  72. MarkinLA says:
    @anonymous
    "What would happen if those millions of illegal visitors were sent home. This is not impossible, Ike did this in the 1950s. "

    The numbers that the Eisenhower Administration faced in the 50s pale in comparison to 2017, and as you yourself correctly wrote "there are no hard records about these foreigners." Indeed. After all, they are "undocumented" i.e. illegal so how can anyone know how many of 'em there really are in the first place. Does anyone really know HOW many illegals there are in this country, let alone "Dreamers." I totally agree with you in general but, let's face it, the time to have acted was in 1965--or at least by 1986 when the original bill was "reformed." But nothing was done. Why? Because there was no national will then and there isn't any now. The public either didn't give a rat's ass and was content with doing what America does best, buy and spend, or they bought into the liberal banalities as exemplified by that Lazarus poem (which, the last time I checked, was a poem--not a law).

    Whatever, now the barn door is closed and the horses are out in pasture. The Wall? Fuggedaboudit! Too little, too late. If we, the citizens, had done our job in insisting that the existing laws be enforced there would be no need for a wall. In fact, we wouldn't be having this extended "conversation" in the first place.

    The government is supposed to serve at our pleasure and we, the voters, are charged with the responsibility of watching both the policymakers and the bureaucrats who administer policy. In regards to immigration we dropped the ball. And now it may be too late.

    Why? Because there was no national will then and there isn’t any now. The public either didn’t give a rat’s ass and was content with doing what America does best, buy and spend, or they bought into the liberal banalities as exemplified by that Lazarus poem (which, the last time I checked, was a poem–not a law).

    Sorry but this is total BS. It doesn’t matter what the public wants when the government refuses to enforce the law. Yes, you can vote them out but look how long it takes for people, even with the internet and alternate news sources, to truely understand the lies and deceit of the government. Maybe you forgot about groups like Ranch Rescue and the Minutemen who were down at the border trying to help the Border Pastrol out and the US governement and white hating groups like the ADL were looking for anybody they could that would make a claim against these people so the US government could put them in prison for 10 years.

    The Minutemen had to videotape everything they did. When they found an almost dead illegal they placed a bottle of water a few feet in front of the illegal so as to make sure they didn’t inadvertently touch him lest GWB’s POS US attorney Sutton would file charges against them.

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    The American people have been betrayed by their leaders. Time and time and time again.

    Our leaders, by and large, have betrayed us for shekels.

    But the American people have contributed to this betrayal by continuing to put into power scumbags like Bush, Obama, McCain, Ryan, Flake, and Graham--among countless other traitors.

    How could the people of Arizona and Wisconsin re-elect McCain and Ryan?

    The scum that populates our government has aided and abetted the destruction of the republic.

    The low information voter has also played a role in the collapse of our civilization.

    , @Avery
    {....lest GWB’s POS US attorney Sutton would file charges against them.}


    US border agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean were convicted in 2006 on trumped up charges of attempted murder of a drug-running illegal alien at the US border. To appease the corrupt Mexican government. US Gov granted immunity to the drug-running scum so he could lie in court that he had no gun, and help convict the US border agents.

    The message to US border agents by US Federal Gov was clear: if you do your job and prevent invasion of US by aliens, we'll come after you.

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  73. lavoisier says: • Website
    @Carlton Meyer
    Like all open border advocates, Mr. Reed spins reality. First, DACA is illegal and unconstitutional, something sane Americans agree upon. President Obama "created" the program with no legislation, and he openly said because Congress refused to pass his proposed law. Whatever one thinks of the idea, Obama acted as a tyrant on behalf of corporate America that wants to flood the nation with ever more workers to drive down wages. A federal judge halted the program for that reason. If DACA is a good idea, Congress must legislate this, it is called democracy.

    Second, DACA immigrants had to be younger than age 31 on June 15, 2012, must have come to the U.S. when they were younger than 16, and must have lived in the U.S. since 2007. In August 2012, the Pew Research Center estimated that up to 1.7 million people might be eligible. For course there are no hard records about these foreign invaders, so much of this can be claimed with no proof.

    But what about all those who arrived in 2008? and 2009? Of course they must now be included. and what about those crossing now! And of once the kids get resident cards ("kids" up to 36) their parents and siblings can get them too.

    So we are talking about tens of millions now here illegally getting SSNs then applying to collect tens of billions of dollars in annual in federal benefits. Legal foreigners automatically get SSI as "aged" disabled without ever paying a cent in SS or income taxes. Millions will continue to pour across as Latinos arrive and millions from Africa who are crossing over to South America and claim "asylum" to cross, then bingo, their kids are here and its not their fault so they DACA over to the welfare office.

    This is a tough issue, and it is all the result of the two previous amnesties. Now Mr. Reed and corporate America demand another amnesty to solve the problem? And we are not getting their best, as President Trump once said and was trounced on by Reed other spinmasters for speaking the truth. These are unwanted economic refugees, pouring across and clogging our schools, hospitals, jails, and poor areas.

    Is rent and housing too expensive? Are roads clogged? Are schools overcrowded? What would happen if those millions of illegal visitors were sent home. This is not impossible, Ike did this in the 1950s. The majority of Americans would support this, yet corporate media has made it clear that only racists oppose open borders, and even twisted the positive word "nationalist" to mean evil white workers crazy enough to resist globalization. Meanwhile corporate billionaires boast how they prefer to hire foreigners to work in the USA rather than citizens to show their support for one world rule.

    Mr. Reed says Mexico is a great place to live, better than the USA. Then he should favor mass deportation to return millions of confused Mexicans to their home of birth and where they are citizens, unless he fears these unwanteds will end up loose in his nice, new town whose homeless, unemployed, and fugitives were sent North for decades.

    If these millions of Mexicans are such a great economic benefit, Mexico and Mr. Reed, should welcome mass deportations. And they can grant automatic citizenship to the millions of Africans now crossing Mexico, instead of busing to the American border. Mexico will boom with more GDP "activity".

    Yes, Fred does not get it when it comes to Mexicans. And he ascribes any hostility to their making America their home to racism.

    Sure a lot of them are hardworking and smart. But the majority of Americans do not want them here in ever increasing numbers. They liked the country the way it was and they do not want the United States to become Mexico.

    Why is that so hateful?

    It is interesting how some writers can be honest about one subject and totally dishonest about another subject.

    The dishonesty for Fred Reed is primarily about Mexico and the Mexicans. For John Derbyshire it is about Israel and the Jews.

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  74. Beckow says:
    @utu
    Unfortunately Fred Reed's assessment is correct. Nothing will change. Immigration will stay at the same rate or higher and illegals will not be deported and no real effort to curb hiring of illegals will be made.

    Both parties are for immigration. Democrats overtly play to the tune of the sentiments of the notion of the nation of immigrants and republicans less overtly will do everything to provide cheap labor to their base.

    Democrats are the useful idiots to Republicans who are real beneficiaries of large immigration. The Republican voters who are against the immigration are the real idiots who are not even useful to their own party.

    The only purpose of the wall was to keep attention from employers who hire illegals. No wall would be needed if the laws penalizing employers were enforced.

    Obviously no wall will be built.

    “Obviously no wall will be built”

    About half of the illegals came in originally on temporary visas and simply stayed. So the wall has always been a distraction. The focus on Mexicans and other Latinos is understandable, but it overlooks the millions from Asia and Africa. The real immigrant tsunami will come from Africa, Middle East,India, and China. Latinos are disruptive for lower middle class jobs, schools, government spending, etc… but there is actually a limit on how many would come and they pose less of a cultural challenge.

    As chain migration gathers speed, US will get tens of millions African, Indian, Chinese and other Asian migrants. E.g. just Pakistan has close to 150 million people, is growing fast, and they have a foothold in US with the already present migrants. Millions will try to join them and it is not hard – it takes time, paperwork, some fraud, some money.

    They come with visas – family, tourist, student, whatever – and stay. There are 3-4 billion people in those countries – Latin America is a fraction of that. The only way to control it is with a change in family reunification visas and with local enforcement in schools, jobs, etc… And with tougher airport enforcement for overstayers. Since that is unlikely to happen – too many screamers and local beneficiaries – get ready for a soon-to-be 500 million US, and then 700 million heading towards a billion.

    United States has been too much of a good thing, so as with all good things, it has been over-subscribed and overused. It will be missed….

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    Dude, you are sooooo right! The USA is so awesome a billion people are going to show up here.

    So which is it, America has gone to shit and a billion people are so stupid as to want to come there OR a billion people are part of an ethno-racial-cultural-political-religious conspiracy to take down the awesome-ass place that is Merica?
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  75. lavoisier says: • Website
    @MarkinLA
    Why? Because there was no national will then and there isn’t any now. The public either didn’t give a rat’s ass and was content with doing what America does best, buy and spend, or they bought into the liberal banalities as exemplified by that Lazarus poem (which, the last time I checked, was a poem–not a law).

    Sorry but this is total BS. It doesn't matter what the public wants when the government refuses to enforce the law. Yes, you can vote them out but look how long it takes for people, even with the internet and alternate news sources, to truely understand the lies and deceit of the government. Maybe you forgot about groups like Ranch Rescue and the Minutemen who were down at the border trying to help the Border Pastrol out and the US governement and white hating groups like the ADL were looking for anybody they could that would make a claim against these people so the US government could put them in prison for 10 years.

    The Minutemen had to videotape everything they did. When they found an almost dead illegal they placed a bottle of water a few feet in front of the illegal so as to make sure they didn't inadvertently touch him lest GWB's POS US attorney Sutton would file charges against them.

    The American people have been betrayed by their leaders. Time and time and time again.

    Our leaders, by and large, have betrayed us for shekels.

    But the American people have contributed to this betrayal by continuing to put into power scumbags like Bush, Obama, McCain, Ryan, Flake, and Graham–among countless other traitors.

    How could the people of Arizona and Wisconsin re-elect McCain and Ryan?

    The scum that populates our government has aided and abetted the destruction of the republic.

    The low information voter has also played a role in the collapse of our civilization.

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    "Our leaders, by and large, have betrayed us for shekels," and yes the American people have contributed to this mess by re-electing the same self-serving, conniving politicians. Someday in the future when the realization of how badly our descendants have been betrayed by the present generation they will curse us for the that betrayal, but there can be little satisfaction from that.
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  76. Avery says:
    @MarkinLA
    Why? Because there was no national will then and there isn’t any now. The public either didn’t give a rat’s ass and was content with doing what America does best, buy and spend, or they bought into the liberal banalities as exemplified by that Lazarus poem (which, the last time I checked, was a poem–not a law).

    Sorry but this is total BS. It doesn't matter what the public wants when the government refuses to enforce the law. Yes, you can vote them out but look how long it takes for people, even with the internet and alternate news sources, to truely understand the lies and deceit of the government. Maybe you forgot about groups like Ranch Rescue and the Minutemen who were down at the border trying to help the Border Pastrol out and the US governement and white hating groups like the ADL were looking for anybody they could that would make a claim against these people so the US government could put them in prison for 10 years.

    The Minutemen had to videotape everything they did. When they found an almost dead illegal they placed a bottle of water a few feet in front of the illegal so as to make sure they didn't inadvertently touch him lest GWB's POS US attorney Sutton would file charges against them.

    {….lest GWB’s POS US attorney Sutton would file charges against them.}

    US border agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean were convicted in 2006 on trumped up charges of attempted murder of a drug-running illegal alien at the US border. To appease the corrupt Mexican government. US Gov granted immunity to the drug-running scum so he could lie in court that he had no gun, and help convict the US border agents.

    The message to US border agents by US Federal Gov was clear: if you do your job and prevent invasion of US by aliens, we’ll come after you.

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  77. Anon says: • Disclaimer
    @Mao Cheng Ji

    I think the tide can be turned, at least among smaller businesses hiring illegals, with a bit of social pressure.
     
    If you succumb to this social pressure and hire citizens for twice the hourly wage, while I, your competitor, ignore it - it won't be too long till you're out of business altogether.

    Someone who’s paying twice the hourly wage is going to get all the best workers. You may make money at first, but you’re going to go crazy trying to manage all your incompetent blockheads. And if you’re doing anything other than crop picking, the quality of the work your people produce, if they’re doing something like construction, is going to be crap. That will result is a lot of bad word going around about your business, and you’ll likely be sued by angry clients for shoddy work that doesn’t meet code. Hope you like being a fly-by-night business one step ahead of the law.

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    Yes, yes! All illegals are incompetent blockheads! You indeed would be far better off producing quality work at double the price by employing ultra-skilled white methheads. Word would get around...
    , @Daniel Chieh
    The wage to quality only goes so far, unfortunately. And there are ways to defer costs from less than stellar construction work - for most projects, for example, the managing company is responsible for the quality of the work only up to a year after the end of a project. After that, the homeowners are responsible(sure, they could sue, but most people won't).

    This is why a lot of projects - of various sorts - are shoddy done. The incentives don't line up for ideal quality. It'll take more than just a little bit of social pressure to resolve those issues.
    , @Mao Cheng Ji

    Someone who’s paying twice the hourly wage is going to get all the best workers.
     
    Nah, in this case the premium is paid for the legal status, not for their skill or attitude. In fact, illegals might very well work better for less money: they're better motivated.
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  78. Sean says:
    @Chris Bridges
    Used to like Fred. Now he is just a burned out, old, embittered race traitor, seduced by his 16 year old housemaid, no doubt. As for the "inevitability" of permanent demographic changes to our country, talk to the millions ethnically cleansed or expelled in the 20th century., from dozens of countries. Nothing is written. Mass expulsions are only an economic collapse away, Fred.

    An economic crisis is very unlikely, but whole classes of occupation are going to disappear in a white heat of apps-automation, and those typically immigrant jobs Fred talks about are going to be at a high premium. When Americans do want to do them, but they go to people who got into the country illegally, an epic confrontation will follow. And the unwisdom of allowing the populace access to firearms will become apparent.

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  79. Sean says:

    bare feet and BB guns in Alabama

    >bare feet and hookworm in Alabama

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  80. KenH says:
    @Wally
    IOW, you voted for Hillary.

    No, Wally World, I voted for Trump but my continued support is conditional upon him keeping his campaign promises on immigration and foreign policy. If it makes you feel good to mindlessly scream “MAGA” every five minutes even when Trump is willing to legalize DREAMers when candidate Trump said he wouldn’t then be my guest.

    Trump was supposed to reverse Obama era policies, not continue them. Trump has plenty of advisers who are liberal Democrats like (((Ivanka, Jared and Gary Kohn))) along with others and who would be serving in a Hildabeast administration..

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  81. Randal says:
    @Hippocerus
    Not Fred's best column. But I still want someone to explain why somebody whose parents snuck him across the border a dozen years ago at age 4, who has been an exemplary citizen in every way but legally, should be exiled at 16 from the only country he ever knew. Don't tell me about the stats, or the economy, or The Law. Tell me about that kid.

    Yes, there are also 16-year-olds who were snuck across 4 years ago by their parents and have been in MS-13 ever since. I haven't seen anyone addressing the difference between those cases. They're all just "Dreamers," and all I see is people yelling Dreamers gotta go! at people who yell We're a nation of immigrants! back.

    Law is (or once was, anyway, or was once supposed to be) a tool to guide a society's efforts to achieve Justice. Where's the justice in exiling that blameless kid for his parents' crime? If the Law is too blunt a tool to separate his case from the MS-13 thug's, sharpen it. Don't just bludgeon everyone it can reach.

    But I still want someone to explain why somebody whose parents snuck him across the border a dozen years ago at age 4, who has been an exemplary citizen in every way but legally, should be exiled at 16 from the only country he ever knew.

    Pour encourager les autres.

    That’s what government is about when it isn’t driven by immature sentimentality (or shameless self-interest using sentimentality as a cover). In the long run, fewer people suffer, and the ones to blame for any suffering on the part of the child are not those who enforce the law but the parents who defied the law and made their child a lawbreaker and a person without a true nation.

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  82. Vinteuil says:

    Hey, I’m convinced.

    Mexico is a way better, way more serious country than the U.S.

    And Mexican women are *the shit!*

    So how do I move there?

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  83. MarkinLA says:
    @anonymous
    "What would happen if those millions of illegal visitors were sent home. This is not impossible, Ike did this in the 1950s. "

    The numbers that the Eisenhower Administration faced in the 50s pale in comparison to 2017, and as you yourself correctly wrote "there are no hard records about these foreigners." Indeed. After all, they are "undocumented" i.e. illegal so how can anyone know how many of 'em there really are in the first place. Does anyone really know HOW many illegals there are in this country, let alone "Dreamers." I totally agree with you in general but, let's face it, the time to have acted was in 1965--or at least by 1986 when the original bill was "reformed." But nothing was done. Why? Because there was no national will then and there isn't any now. The public either didn't give a rat's ass and was content with doing what America does best, buy and spend, or they bought into the liberal banalities as exemplified by that Lazarus poem (which, the last time I checked, was a poem--not a law).

    Whatever, now the barn door is closed and the horses are out in pasture. The Wall? Fuggedaboudit! Too little, too late. If we, the citizens, had done our job in insisting that the existing laws be enforced there would be no need for a wall. In fact, we wouldn't be having this extended "conversation" in the first place.

    The government is supposed to serve at our pleasure and we, the voters, are charged with the responsibility of watching both the policymakers and the bureaucrats who administer policy. In regards to immigration we dropped the ball. And now it may be too late.

    One thing I should have added is our ridiculous notion of “standing” in US courts. If the US government refuses to enforce the law, I as a citizen can do nothing about it because I “lack standing” even though I have to pay for the illegals, I have to put up with their crime, I have to put up with all the negatives because some clown in a black robe thinks an individual doesn’t have standing to force the government to enforce the laws it has on the books. The government will argue and the court agree that I am not harmed and therefore cannot use the courts for redress.

    The average citizen is screwed in this system.

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  84. utu says:

    An American and an American citizen are not the same thing at all. An American is someone raised in America

    No really! There are Americans and naturalized Americans. Both are US citizens. The first group by birth right. The Dreamers are neither even those who were raised in America. And what does raised in America mean? Being illegally in a country as a result of criminal action of your parents is great foundation for being raised into a responsible citizen?

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    True all that, but also, even Fred's point about being raised in America making one an American, is only the case if you get raised among other Americans. A lot of the Mexicans, legal or not, in America are living in areas that are largely Mexican already, say half the counties in Texas and N. Mexico, and big parts of California. They will be raised in their own culture, and will not have assimilated one bit. That's to be expected, so for Fred to say this crap, he must have not gotten around nearly as much as he used to, or he is spouting this BS on purpose.

    I wish I could point out all the good and truthful comments here I like, but there are too many. Let's all look forward to another Fred Reed column on how web site commenters suck. Bring it, Frederick!
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  85. Since the “dreamers” were brought to this country through the fault of their parents, why do you never hear of “dreamers” being angry at their parents for involving them in a nexus of illegality? If they don’t blame their parents when their parents acted as their agents, they have ratified their parents’ behavior.

    As to the poor “dreamers” inability to adapt to Mexico, that country seems more than ready to assume the responsibility for their re-education.

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    [Pick a single Handle and stick to it, or use Anonymous/Anon. Otherwise, your comments may be trashed.]

    You exhibit great intellectual capacity and understanding of the human condition in your comments. Kind of like a Socrates/Einstein hybrid.

    So I posit to you, great thinker, if one's father is a bona-fide retard and you, as his son, are intellectually feeble-minded, shouldn't you blame your father for your own stupidity? Your thoughts...
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  86. Does Fred write columns like this because he feels guilty about being a dirty old perverted sex tourist with a fetish for poor, young and easily sexually exploitable brown people?

    Get help, Fred. There are professionals here in the US who can treat you. And in the meantime stay away from the quinceañeras.

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    Does Fred write columns like this because he feels guilty about being a dirty old perverted sex tourist with a fetish for poor, young and easily sexually exploitable brown people?
     
    Posts like that cause me to wonder how such despicable people like you ever learn enough English to post in the first place. Shouldn't you be out burning witches and lynching random homeless people? Do you recoil at the very notion of truth, honor and integrity?

    I have the feeling that, should I encounter you at some point in future time, you will end up gutted like a yellow perch and used as bait for bass. Scumbag.
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  87. @BrazilNorth
    Does Fred write columns like this because he feels guilty about being a dirty old perverted sex tourist with a fetish for poor, young and easily sexually exploitable brown people?

    Get help, Fred. There are professionals here in the US who can treat you. And in the meantime stay away from the quinceañeras.

    Does Fred write columns like this because he feels guilty about being a dirty old perverted sex tourist with a fetish for poor, young and easily sexually exploitable brown people?

    Posts like that cause me to wonder how such despicable people like you ever learn enough English to post in the first place. Shouldn’t you be out burning witches and lynching random homeless people? Do you recoil at the very notion of truth, honor and integrity?

    I have the feeling that, should I encounter you at some point in future time, you will end up gutted like a yellow perch and used as bait for bass. Scumbag.

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  88. poop says:
    @Sweep the leg
    So that's it, we have to assimilate them! Now I get it! 'Cept no. Where I work, in AZ, the Meskins speak Spanish to each other all the time, especially in front of the gringos, and especially if they are able to speak English. Outside of work, you ask? Same. Momma-sita and her brood go with Spanish over English all the time. They also have a thing about leaving garbage everywhere. Even in decent neighborhoods. They live closely together, staying with their own. See, Fred? They CHOOSE not to assimilate. How are we to accomplish the goal of assimilation, when they simply don't give a sh!t? Fred is a traitor, plain and simple. We need to come up with a way to "assimilate them", when they want only to live as meskins in a far better place. I take it back. Traitor is inappropriate. Out of touch with reality works better...

    So that’s it, we have to assimilate them! Now I get it! ‘Cept no. Where I work, in AZ, the Meskins speak Spanish to each other all the time, especially in front of the gringos, and especially if they are able to speak English. Outside of work, you ask? Same. Momma-sita and her brood go with Spanish over English all the time. They also have a thing about leaving garbage everywhere. Even in decent neighborhoods. They live closely together, staying with their own. See, Fred? They CHOOSE not to assimilate. How are we to accomplish the goal of assimilation, when they simply don’t give a sh!t? Fred is a traitor, plain and simple. We need to come up with a way to “assimilate them”, when they want only to live as meskins in a far better place. I take it back. Traitor is inappropriate. Out of touch with reality works better…

    Dude, you really found the smoking gun right there. Obviously the Meskins are speakin Spanish to communicate with each other their plans to overrun Merica and take your job at the behest of their Jew overlords RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE!

    I might leave the garbage part out, though, as random distribution of shit is an indication they are indeed assimilating with the culture of the American White Trash and the American Negro.

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  89. poop says:
    @prusmc
    Back in 73, I was a participant in a two week Navy Race Relations/EEO workshop. The program was just starting out so to some extent they were developing the Program of Instruction (POI). Originally, the concern was mal- treatment/mis-treatment of Blacks not yet Afro-Americans and the lingering effects of Jim Crow discrimination.The apparent intent and likely result was to put a guilt burden on all White participants. As an add on, there was a Mexican American (Hispanic came later) two day presentation. The lead authority was a professor from California. Again the usual hang your head in shame routine. While I had what I thought had been great military experience with men with Spanish surnames, I was damned as an ethnic over-dog by an authority figure who had spent not a day in uniform. The professor asked us to call him Lew for Luis, clearly stated that his people had no intention of assimilating. This was opposed to the Black presenters who were willing to accept the White folks after they had properly acknowledge that we had been sinners and deserved punishment. I read somewhere that Fred indicated a high rate of Hispanics marrying non-Hispanics. My questions: are these Hispanic Females Marrying males or Hispanic males marrying non-Hispanic females or are both marrying heavily into the Afro-American community?

    Very intelligent, thought provoking anecdote and questions.

    You should not be shamed for being white; you have no control over that.

    However, I query whether or not one should be ashamed of being a fuck-tard?

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  90. poop says:
    @Stephen R. Diamond
    Since the "dreamers" were brought to this country through the fault of their parents, why do you never hear of "dreamers" being angry at their parents for involving them in a nexus of illegality? If they don't blame their parents when their parents acted as their agents, they have ratified their parents' behavior.

    As to the poor "dreamers" inability to adapt to Mexico, that country seems more than ready to assume the responsibility for their re-education.

    [Pick a single Handle and stick to it, or use Anonymous/Anon. Otherwise, your comments may be trashed.]

    You exhibit great intellectual capacity and understanding of the human condition in your comments. Kind of like a Socrates/Einstein hybrid.

    So I posit to you, great thinker, if one’s father is a bona-fide retard and you, as his son, are intellectually feeble-minded, shouldn’t you blame your father for your own stupidity? Your thoughts…

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  91. poop says:
    @StephenC
    Fred the Mexican is a bit out of touch. He makes the case that conservatives, republicans and businesses are pro-immigration.

    Really? Thanks for the scoop, Fred.

    I'd estimate that something close to 99.995% of all anti-immigration types in the US are keenly aware that the drive for cheap, readily exploitable brown-skinned labor is a huge contributor. It's kind of hard not to notice.

    I should add that I know more than a few businessmen who've hired more than a few wetbacks. They're all ashamed and embarassed. I think the tide can be turned, at least among smaller businesses hiring illegals, with a bit of social pressure.

    Dude, you are so right! I can see that Masters in Economics from MIT is paying off.

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  92. poop says:
    @Anon
    Someone who's paying twice the hourly wage is going to get all the best workers. You may make money at first, but you're going to go crazy trying to manage all your incompetent blockheads. And if you're doing anything other than crop picking, the quality of the work your people produce, if they're doing something like construction, is going to be crap. That will result is a lot of bad word going around about your business, and you'll likely be sued by angry clients for shoddy work that doesn't meet code. Hope you like being a fly-by-night business one step ahead of the law.

    Yes, yes! All illegals are incompetent blockheads! You indeed would be far better off producing quality work at double the price by employing ultra-skilled white methheads. Word would get around…

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  93. Hello Mr. Reed,
    I apologize to you and your readers for my poor attempt at humour in the above comment and I am sorry to offend you and your readers. I agree it was in bad taste. Please remove both of my comments there is no need to anger other people because of my bad judgement. I won’t be commenting again. Sorry.

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    I commend you for being a stand-up individual, a rarity in the online world.
    , @MarkinLA
    I didn't offend me. I took it as a joke (with a little bit of truth that makes it funny) right from the start. Fred is not above making jokes about given the crap he writes sometimes.
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  94. poop says:
    @Beckow

    "Obviously no wall will be built"
     
    About half of the illegals came in originally on temporary visas and simply stayed. So the wall has always been a distraction. The focus on Mexicans and other Latinos is understandable, but it overlooks the millions from Asia and Africa. The real immigrant tsunami will come from Africa, Middle East,India, and China. Latinos are disruptive for lower middle class jobs, schools, government spending, etc... but there is actually a limit on how many would come and they pose less of a cultural challenge.

    As chain migration gathers speed, US will get tens of millions African, Indian, Chinese and other Asian migrants. E.g. just Pakistan has close to 150 million people, is growing fast, and they have a foothold in US with the already present migrants. Millions will try to join them and it is not hard - it takes time, paperwork, some fraud, some money.

    They come with visas - family, tourist, student, whatever - and stay. There are 3-4 billion people in those countries - Latin America is a fraction of that. The only way to control it is with a change in family reunification visas and with local enforcement in schools, jobs, etc... And with tougher airport enforcement for overstayers. Since that is unlikely to happen - too many screamers and local beneficiaries - get ready for a soon-to-be 500 million US, and then 700 million heading towards a billion.

    United States has been too much of a good thing, so as with all good things, it has been over-subscribed and overused. It will be missed....

    Dude, you are sooooo right! The USA is so awesome a billion people are going to show up here.

    So which is it, America has gone to shit and a billion people are so stupid as to want to come there OR a billion people are part of an ethno-racial-cultural-political-religious conspiracy to take down the awesome-ass place that is Merica?

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  95. poop says:
    @MarkinLA
    The city of San Fernando was having a serious problem with absentee landlords and illegal alien construction workers about 20 years ago. Someone would buy a dilapidated 2 bedroom 1 bath house for next to nothing and then rent floor space to an illegal for about 125 a month and get about 25 of them at a time. The house would be destroyed in about 5 years but by that time the place was paid for 3 times over.

    Thanks for this nugget of info.

    What, exactly, the fuck is your point?

    Thanks!

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    That illegals ruin neighborhoods, I would have thought somebody like you that has mastered pissing his tampon and posting AT THE SAME time from his mommy's basement would have figured it out.
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  96. poop says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    Oh, shove a tampon in it.

    Nations are constituted for the benefit of the people who constitute them, not for anybody who wants to show up to the party. You tell me where's the justice in forcing American citizens to accommodate border jumpers and their children. Tell me where's the justice in not restoring them to their own proper countries, since it is those countries that have a legitimate claim on them and whatever value they provide. Tell me where's the justice in Western nations sucking up the dregs of the Third World and converting them into a class of helots (Angela Merkel does this frankly and openly, with no second thoughts, no trace of comprehension that she is now one of the world's largest slavers and a towering hypocrite with respect to her own stated morality).

    What does 'justice' mean to you, anyway? Because in the real world, justice meas equanimity and proportionality; it means everyone gets what he is due. How could that kid be due any more than what this country has already provided him? Despite not being a citizen, we've raised him, fed him, educated him, brought him up. We've allowed him all the benefits of growing up in a clean and still basically functioning commonwealth. We don't owe him anything else---in fact, he owes us! We would be perfectly within our rights to indenture that kid and force him to spend his life paying back the advances we've already invested in him. But we will forego the strict measure of justice, and magnanimously send him back hale and hearty to his own people, for the greater good that our children will not have to fight with him to get back their own rightful inheritance.

    Yeah, tell him “Intelligent Dasein”! He owes us! His own people! Merica…Fuck yeah!

    I so hope that you are right so all of our children can grow up with their rightful inheritance and pick crops in the scorching heat of the Imperial Valley.

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  97. poop says:
    @BrazilNorth
    Hello Mr. Reed,
    I apologize to you and your readers for my poor attempt at humour in the above comment and I am sorry to offend you and your readers. I agree it was in bad taste. Please remove both of my comments there is no need to anger other people because of my bad judgement. I won't be commenting again. Sorry.

    I commend you for being a stand-up individual, a rarity in the online world.

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    I commend you for being a stand-up individual, a rarity in the online world.
     
    And I commend you for being so transparent about use of two login ids.
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  98. @utu
    An American and an American citizen are not the same thing at all. An American is someone raised in America

    No really! There are Americans and naturalized Americans. Both are US citizens. The first group by birth right. The Dreamers are neither even those who were raised in America. And what does raised in America mean? Being illegally in a country as a result of criminal action of your parents is great foundation for being raised into a responsible citizen?

    True all that, but also, even Fred’s point about being raised in America making one an American, is only the case if you get raised among other Americans. A lot of the Mexicans, legal or not, in America are living in areas that are largely Mexican already, say half the counties in Texas and N. Mexico, and big parts of California. They will be raised in their own culture, and will not have assimilated one bit. That’s to be expected, so for Fred to say this crap, he must have not gotten around nearly as much as he used to, or he is spouting this BS on purpose.

    I wish I could point out all the good and truthful comments here I like, but there are too many. Let’s all look forward to another Fred Reed column on how web site commenters suck. Bring it, Frederick!

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    he is spouting this BS on purpose - Yes, absolutely. Though, as I wrote in my first comment here I agree with general assessment of immigration situation he made. Immigration will not be stopped. There is no political force that could do it. So you can say goy bye to American as you remember it.
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  99. @poop
    I commend you for being a stand-up individual, a rarity in the online world.

    I commend you for being a stand-up individual, a rarity in the online world.

    And I commend you for being so transparent about use of two login ids.

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    Fair enough. Touche, good sir!
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  100. We ought to offer citizenship on a 1:1 basis to Messkins for every negro they remove. Remove 4 negros, bring your family of 4 on over. This is fair and reasonable.

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    How are you going to remove Negroes?
    All of them, except for recent immigrants from Africa, are born US citizens - for many generations.
    And who is going to remove 40 million people (...by force)?
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  101. Avery says:
    @Linda Green
    We ought to offer citizenship on a 1:1 basis to Messkins for every negro they remove. Remove 4 negros, bring your family of 4 on over. This is fair and reasonable.

    How are you going to remove Negroes?
    All of them, except for recent immigrants from Africa, are born US citizens – for many generations.
    And who is going to remove 40 million people (…by force)?

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    Well the Mexican government has certainly moved 40 million people across the border.
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  102. I am not going to remove any negros. I said that should any valiant Messkins be able to remove any negros, they ought to get citizenship on a 1:1 basis. This would have a very positive effect on our nation. Let’s not get bogged down in the details, leave that to the Messkins to figure out the ways and means of Myate removals.

    What are you some kind of micro manager?

    If you get the policy right the details will work themselves out.

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    {What are you some kind of micro manager?}

    No, I live in the real world, not some make-believe fantasy world.

    No US 'Negro' citizen is going to move to Mexico voluntarily.
    There is _nothing_ Mexico can offer to a US citizen to induce them to move to Mexico voluntarily.

    Even the poor in US live better than most Mexicans (....except the super rich and such).
    That is why Mexicans illegally pour into US by the millions (......40 million according to Ann Coulter)
    That is why only some small number of US retirees move to live in Mexico.

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  103. Avery says:
    @Linda Green
    I am not going to remove any negros. I said that should any valiant Messkins be able to remove any negros, they ought to get citizenship on a 1:1 basis. This would have a very positive effect on our nation. Let's not get bogged down in the details, leave that to the Messkins to figure out the ways and means of Myate removals.

    What are you some kind of micro manager?

    If you get the policy right the details will work themselves out.

    {What are you some kind of micro manager?}

    No, I live in the real world, not some make-believe fantasy world.

    No US ‘Negro’ citizen is going to move to Mexico voluntarily.
    There is _nothing_ Mexico can offer to a US citizen to induce them to move to Mexico voluntarily.

    Even the poor in US live better than most Mexicans (….except the super rich and such).
    That is why Mexicans illegally pour into US by the millions (……40 million according to Ann Coulter)
    That is why only some small number of US retirees move to live in Mexico.

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  104. S5 says:

    Miscegenating whiny (((high verbal IQ))) writer of dubious sexuality splains to us that there is nooo waaaay we can eeeever deport Mexicans and there is nothing we can do about their demographic presence in America. Because weakness and ineffectuality are the reality of the human condition, except in foreigners.

    He has no clue what is about to happen. Things are going to get very bad economically for the unskilled in this country, fast. Then hostility against Mexicans will rise, especially as Gen Z becomes ascendant and boomers like him die out. The Mexicans really need to have a Plan B to leave this country. Writers like him cuck only because he can. That won’t last forever.

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  105. utu says:
    @Achmed E. Newman
    True all that, but also, even Fred's point about being raised in America making one an American, is only the case if you get raised among other Americans. A lot of the Mexicans, legal or not, in America are living in areas that are largely Mexican already, say half the counties in Texas and N. Mexico, and big parts of California. They will be raised in their own culture, and will not have assimilated one bit. That's to be expected, so for Fred to say this crap, he must have not gotten around nearly as much as he used to, or he is spouting this BS on purpose.

    I wish I could point out all the good and truthful comments here I like, but there are too many. Let's all look forward to another Fred Reed column on how web site commenters suck. Bring it, Frederick!

    he is spouting this BS on purpose – Yes, absolutely. Though, as I wrote in my first comment here I agree with general assessment of immigration situation he made. Immigration will not be stopped. There is no political force that could do it. So you can say goy bye to American as you remember it.

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  106. @Anon
    Someone who's paying twice the hourly wage is going to get all the best workers. You may make money at first, but you're going to go crazy trying to manage all your incompetent blockheads. And if you're doing anything other than crop picking, the quality of the work your people produce, if they're doing something like construction, is going to be crap. That will result is a lot of bad word going around about your business, and you'll likely be sued by angry clients for shoddy work that doesn't meet code. Hope you like being a fly-by-night business one step ahead of the law.

    The wage to quality only goes so far, unfortunately. And there are ways to defer costs from less than stellar construction work – for most projects, for example, the managing company is responsible for the quality of the work only up to a year after the end of a project. After that, the homeowners are responsible(sure, they could sue, but most people won’t).

    This is why a lot of projects – of various sorts – are shoddy done. The incentives don’t line up for ideal quality. It’ll take more than just a little bit of social pressure to resolve those issues.

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  107. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer
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    The reason someone snuck in at age 4, who has been an exemplary person, should be returned to his actual home country is simple.

    To save his life.

    If the invaders are not cast out in this generation, then in the next generation the battle will be over who is on which side of the barbed wire fences of the death camps.

    I say this not to advocate such genocide, but in the hope of preventing it.

    Go home, invaders, or your children and our children will grow up to kill each other.

    Go home, invaders, or your children and our children will grow up to kill each other.

    If Americans just go back to their side of the Rockies nobody needs to kill anyone.

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  108. @Anon
    Someone who's paying twice the hourly wage is going to get all the best workers. You may make money at first, but you're going to go crazy trying to manage all your incompetent blockheads. And if you're doing anything other than crop picking, the quality of the work your people produce, if they're doing something like construction, is going to be crap. That will result is a lot of bad word going around about your business, and you'll likely be sued by angry clients for shoddy work that doesn't meet code. Hope you like being a fly-by-night business one step ahead of the law.

    Someone who’s paying twice the hourly wage is going to get all the best workers.

    Nah, in this case the premium is paid for the legal status, not for their skill or attitude. In fact, illegals might very well work better for less money: they’re better motivated.

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  109. Yancey says:

    Keep in mind Fred’s political views are actually his wife’s. You see, his Jewish wife is an unfaithful one. Fred bashes his own people and birth nation in order to curry favor with her in the hopes she will stop bedding down younger Mexican men.

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    Keep in mind Fred’s political views are actually his wife’s.
     
    Ai, mimadre, ju are such a coquette! Dozen't ju luvver, Julio, get jay-lous when you flash ju curvy butt at real men?
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  110. AndrewR says:
    @yeah
    Now, now, aren't you coming down too hard on Mr. Reed? Whatever he may be (wildly amusing, annoying, or plain darned wrong), an open border advocate he is not. At worst he might be called an open border realist, at best a very interesting writer who juggles logic and prose with some charm.

    The thing is, as Mr. Reed reminds his readers with the help of some interesting calculations, this presence of Latinos and Mexicans in the US is way past being reversible. It has become TOO BIG a problem, best to learn to live with it. After all, how can the folly of two generations be fixed in a jiffy? Can you undo the Irish in America, or the Italians, or even the Japanese? The Japs are still here, even after the world war 2 era roundup. And no one to my knowledge, providing he is even passably sane, would even think of undoing the Italians or any other group.

    He doesn't say don't do anything moving forward. But he does point out the multiple culprits whose interests and greed ensure the continuation of illegal immigration. The culprits are Americans themselves, alas, lots and lots of them, and very powerful ones at that. Which means the news is bad, very bad indeed, but please don't shoot the messenger - even if he whistles and grins and jokes as he dishes out the bad news by the truckload.

    There’s one small but very cohesive ethnic group, numbering well under 10,000,000 members, that causes far more problems to this country than every other group combined. Until this group is permanently removed, any other “solutions” will be like spitting on a forest fire.

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  111. @Yancey
    Keep in mind Fred's political views are actually his wife's. You see, his Jewish wife is an unfaithful one. Fred bashes his own people and birth nation in order to curry favor with her in the hopes she will stop bedding down younger Mexican men.

    Keep in mind Fred’s political views are actually his wife’s.

    Ai, mimadre, ju are such a coquette! Dozen’t ju luvver, Julio, get jay-lous when you flash ju curvy butt at real men?

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  112. MarkinLA says:
    @poop
    Thanks for this nugget of info.

    What, exactly, the fuck is your point?

    Thanks!

    That illegals ruin neighborhoods, I would have thought somebody like you that has mastered pissing his tampon and posting AT THE SAME time from his mommy’s basement would have figured it out.

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    Wow MarkinLA. Super well conceived and intellectual comment.

    Just so you know, I piss in my backyard. I defecate in my toilet.

    I have never used a tampon.

    I don't live with my mother.

    My mother doesn't have a basement.

    I have a multitude of experience with "illegals" and have not gotten the sense that they "ruin" neighborhoods for anyone.

    Their food is actually really good, if you ever get out of YOUR mother's basement you should try it sometime. Oooooh, burn! How does that feel? Hot, huh? Straight fire!
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  113. MarkinLA says:
    @BrazilNorth
    Hello Mr. Reed,
    I apologize to you and your readers for my poor attempt at humour in the above comment and I am sorry to offend you and your readers. I agree it was in bad taste. Please remove both of my comments there is no need to anger other people because of my bad judgement. I won't be commenting again. Sorry.

    I didn’t offend me. I took it as a joke (with a little bit of truth that makes it funny) right from the start. Fred is not above making jokes about given the crap he writes sometimes.

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  114. Nightmare.

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  115. Well, Fred, among your boat load of sweeping generalizations, essentially you’re saying those who think laws should be enforced and followed are . . . deplorable.

    Hmm . . . where have I heard that word before . . .

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  116. Conclusion: Latinos in America are a done deal. Good idea, bad idea, disaster, or doesn’t much matter–it’s still done. No epic population shifts impend. Breitbart can bark from under the sofa, but the Latinos are in America to stay. If this isn’t so, tell me why it isn’t so. Get used to it. There is no other choice.

    damn, why do most comments reads like they haven’t read the article?

    fred’s main point is all of these retarded moves will not get rid of the 50 million latinos in the usa. what are you going to do now? they will have babies and the number gets higher. from a graph I have read, about 100 million by 2050.

    what then?

    stop these retarded feel good headline moves to please the retarded voting base, and actually do something about the hard questions. How to live peacefully with 100 million latinos in 2050.

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  117. Sam McGowan says: • Website
    @nsa
    Reed is a race traitor, for some ungodly reason wishing white people the very worst. There is no longer any reason for him to reside in his turd world paradise....he could move to California and feel right at home. California according to the Census Bureau is now down to 37% non-hispanic white......even lower if you include the hordes of illegals. C'mon back Fred......we miss you. You'll feel right at home in the filth, litter, degeneracy, disease, crime, overpopulation, mindless violence.........

    Uh, Mexicans are either Indian, white or Meztizo. In short, they’re the same race as those of us Americans whose ancestors came here before the Civil War. (That’s Yankee for War of Northern Aggression.)

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  118. Corvinus says:
    @Intelligent Dasein
    Oh, shove a tampon in it.

    Nations are constituted for the benefit of the people who constitute them, not for anybody who wants to show up to the party. You tell me where's the justice in forcing American citizens to accommodate border jumpers and their children. Tell me where's the justice in not restoring them to their own proper countries, since it is those countries that have a legitimate claim on them and whatever value they provide. Tell me where's the justice in Western nations sucking up the dregs of the Third World and converting them into a class of helots (Angela Merkel does this frankly and openly, with no second thoughts, no trace of comprehension that she is now one of the world's largest slavers and a towering hypocrite with respect to her own stated morality).

    What does 'justice' mean to you, anyway? Because in the real world, justice meas equanimity and proportionality; it means everyone gets what he is due. How could that kid be due any more than what this country has already provided him? Despite not being a citizen, we've raised him, fed him, educated him, brought him up. We've allowed him all the benefits of growing up in a clean and still basically functioning commonwealth. We don't owe him anything else---in fact, he owes us! We would be perfectly within our rights to indenture that kid and force him to spend his life paying back the advances we've already invested in him. But we will forego the strict measure of justice, and magnanimously send him back hale and hearty to his own people, for the greater good that our children will not have to fight with him to get back their own rightful inheritance.

    “Nations are constituted for the benefit of the people who constitute them, not for anybody who wants to show up to the party.”

    Tell that to your ancestors who came here as the nativists employed the same reasoning to tell them “you must go back”.

    “You tell me where’s the justice in forcing American citizens to accommodate border jumpers and their children.”

    There is a legitimate point here. Every dog has its day, I guess.

    “Tell me where’s the justice in Western nations sucking up the dregs of the Third World and converting them into a class of helots.”

    Then you write this slog. In some cases, the colonists and immigrants who helped to build our great land were also characterized in this fashion.

    “What does ‘justice’ mean to you, anyway? Because in the real world, justice meas equanimity and proportionality; it means everyone gets what he is due. How could that kid be due any more than what this country has already provided him? Despite not being a citizen, we’ve raised him, fed him, educated him, brought him up.”

    And how have they turned out, generally speaking?

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  119. Fred’s right!

    We can’t break up the families of chronic lawbreakers — the children aren’t responsible for what their parents do.

    And that reasoning doesn’t merely apply to illegal aliens — it applies to EVERY criminal in the slammer who has innocent children outside.

    Murderers, rapists, Bernie Madoff, EVERY criminal parent behind bars must be freed immediately, WITH reparations for the cruel & unjust breaking up of their families.

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  120. fnn says:

    Los Angeles: Nature Good, People Crap:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILegcwanDpA

    Carolla: Those people have done their best to fuck up everything they can. School system is fucking unusable. Barbed wire around every freeway side. Gangs tagging fucking Nature, rocks and trees. It’s a traffic nightmare. Basically, the stuff that God did, several million years ago? That’s the good part of LA. Everyone else is getting their head kicked in at Dodger Stadium. But as far as the city planners, and the mayor and all that, you guys have fucked up everything you’ve touched. Plate tectonics gets an A+ from two-whatever Zooic era, when everything shifted, and turned, and we thawed. I’ve lived here my whole life and it’s now shit.

    Rogan: I’ve only lived here since 1994, but it’s been a big difference.

    Carolla: It’s essentially turning into Mexico, which is a shit place. No one wants to talk about this, but Mexico is a shitty place to live.

    Rogan: It’s the worst. It’s one of the worst places in the world.

    Carolla: So the deal is, we can absorb, as a society, X amount of folks from Mexico a year before we turn into Mexico too. If we turn into Mexico, then we’re a shit joint too.

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    Strange. Fred claims that all of the serious problems we read about concerning Mexico aren't true and it's almost heaven on earth. Never mind that 50% of Mexicans want to live in America or Canada.

    Then he's claimed that Mexican social pathologies in the U.S. are the result of wicked whites not welcoming them with sufficient enthusiasm.
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  121. KenH says:
    @fnn
    Los Angeles: Nature Good, People Crap:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILegcwanDpA

    Carolla: Those people have done their best to fuck up everything they can. School system is fucking unusable. Barbed wire around every freeway side. Gangs tagging fucking Nature, rocks and trees. It's a traffic nightmare. Basically, the stuff that God did, several million years ago? That's the good part of LA. Everyone else is getting their head kicked in at Dodger Stadium. But as far as the city planners, and the mayor and all that, you guys have fucked up everything you've touched. Plate tectonics gets an A+ from two-whatever Zooic era, when everything shifted, and turned, and we thawed. I've lived here my whole life and it's now shit.

    Rogan: I've only lived here since 1994, but it's been a big difference.

    Carolla: It's essentially turning into Mexico, which is a shit place. No one wants to talk about this, but Mexico is a shitty place to live.

    Rogan: It's the worst. It's one of the worst places in the world.

    Carolla: So the deal is, we can absorb, as a society, X amount of folks from Mexico a year before we turn into Mexico too. If we turn into Mexico, then we're a shit joint too.
     

    Strange. Fred claims that all of the serious problems we read about concerning Mexico aren’t true and it’s almost heaven on earth. Never mind that 50% of Mexicans want to live in America or Canada.

    Then he’s claimed that Mexican social pathologies in the U.S. are the result of wicked whites not welcoming them with sufficient enthusiasm.

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  122. Could Fred’s guaranteed-100% positive reviews of Mexico stem from a desire to keep his (& his family’s) head-body interface intact?

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  123. Luwanee says:
    @Jmaie
    May I suggest you read a little more of Fred's stuff, and actually pay attention to what he writes, before going about spewing nonsense? Fred had never said that Mexico is a better place to live than the US, only that it's not as bad as many people here up north seem to think it is. And, he is not for open borders-he has said many times that mass immigration is/was foolish policy.

    Not that he needs my defending him, but sheesh. Why is it we can't have adult conversations anymore? Seems that every political discussion devolves into a yelling match, facts be damned. This is why we can't have nice things.

    Fred and you have missed the point. If you DID NOT come here through the front door you are here illegally. Who cares for the reason you came, that is not the point. Yes it is possible to remove them, just history, Hitler moved millions of Jews from several countries in 3 years and did not have the transportation that we have today. We should help them but help them there not here.

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  124. The scenario is easily written although the process will take a number of years. The demographics of the USA will change inexorably over the next fifty years. The birthrate of Caucasians is now far below replacement values and there is no indication that rate will get better in the future. Meanwhile, the birthrate of the browns is much higher and with continued immigration it’s just a matter of time before Caucasians are outnumbered in the majority of the states in the United States. Politically, economically and militarily if will be interesting to see what happens when Hispanics and blacks control the levers of governance. Draw your own conclusions but I cannot see how America will be remotely like the country I have known for the past eight decades. Pure Socialism at best and total dictatorship at worse.

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  125. Draw your own conclusions but I cannot see how America will be remotely like the country I have known for the past eight decades. Pure Socialism at best and total dictatorship at worse.

    The pattern for Central and South America, for 500 years, is some sort of hellishly corrupt and abusive dictatorship of aristocrats cum plutocrats. The USA, already corrupt to the very bottom of the barrel of the “representative democracy” scoundrels, will soon be a living nightmare for remaining real Americans — except for the wealthy, who will continue to be happy, fat and sassy. For awhile — until the Hispanic tradition of peak corruption, followed by revolution, followed by resumption of plain ordinary corruption, makes even their lives more interesting.

    Good times, huh?

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  126. @lavoisier
    The American people have been betrayed by their leaders. Time and time and time again.

    Our leaders, by and large, have betrayed us for shekels.

    But the American people have contributed to this betrayal by continuing to put into power scumbags like Bush, Obama, McCain, Ryan, Flake, and Graham--among countless other traitors.

    How could the people of Arizona and Wisconsin re-elect McCain and Ryan?

    The scum that populates our government has aided and abetted the destruction of the republic.

    The low information voter has also played a role in the collapse of our civilization.

    “Our leaders, by and large, have betrayed us for shekels,” and yes the American people have contributed to this mess by re-electing the same self-serving, conniving politicians. Someday in the future when the realization of how badly our descendants have been betrayed by the present generation they will curse us for the that betrayal, but there can be little satisfaction from that.

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  127. @Hippocerus
    Not Fred's best column. But I still want someone to explain why somebody whose parents snuck him across the border a dozen years ago at age 4, who has been an exemplary citizen in every way but legally, should be exiled at 16 from the only country he ever knew. Don't tell me about the stats, or the economy, or The Law. Tell me about that kid.

    Yes, there are also 16-year-olds who were snuck across 4 years ago by their parents and have been in MS-13 ever since. I haven't seen anyone addressing the difference between those cases. They're all just "Dreamers," and all I see is people yelling Dreamers gotta go! at people who yell We're a nation of immigrants! back.

    Law is (or once was, anyway, or was once supposed to be) a tool to guide a society's efforts to achieve Justice. Where's the justice in exiling that blameless kid for his parents' crime? If the Law is too blunt a tool to separate his case from the MS-13 thug's, sharpen it. Don't just bludgeon everyone it can reach.

    The criminal should be shipped back because of this

    https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/the-typical-male-u-s-worker-earned-less-in-2014-than-in-1973/

    “The typical man with a full-time job–the one at the statistical middle of the middle–earned $50,383 last year, the Census Bureau reported this week.

    The typical man with a full-time job in 1973 earned $53,294, measured in 2014 dollars to adjust for inflation.”

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  128. @Avery
    How are you going to remove Negroes?
    All of them, except for recent immigrants from Africa, are born US citizens - for many generations.
    And who is going to remove 40 million people (...by force)?

    Well the Mexican government has certainly moved 40 million people across the border.

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  129. Anonymous says: • Disclaimer

    White American women are not having babies so the US imports them from Mexico and everywhere else.

    Whites and American culture have put themselves out of business because they preferred “free love”.

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    In a seriously over-populated world low-birthrates are EXACTLY what is needed.

    Whites are doing their share, as they should.

    Whites of course are blamed for killing lots of non-Whites, but the fact is, Whites have saved one hell of a lot more non-Whites than Whites ever killed. BILLIONS more, to be exact!

    White agriculture & medicine are PRECISELY why the numbers of non-Whites only exploded AFTER contact with Whites. Have Whites ever got any credit from the ingrates?

    Meanwhile, the over-breeding non-Whites actually gloat about what Whites made possible for them. They are proving themselves too greedy & too stupid to realize they are not only committing White genocide; they are ultimately committing mass suicide.

    Birth control AND border control, NO APOLOGIES!

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  130. @Anonymous
    White American women are not having babies so the US imports them from Mexico and everywhere else.

    Whites and American culture have put themselves out of business because they preferred "free love".

    In a seriously over-populated world low-birthrates are EXACTLY what is needed.

    Whites are doing their share, as they should.

    Whites of course are blamed for killing lots of non-Whites, but the fact is, Whites have saved one hell of a lot more non-Whites than Whites ever killed. BILLIONS more, to be exact!

    White agriculture & medicine are PRECISELY why the numbers of non-Whites only exploded AFTER contact with Whites. Have Whites ever got any credit from the ingrates?

    Meanwhile, the over-breeding non-Whites actually gloat about what Whites made possible for them. They are proving themselves too greedy & too stupid to realize they are not only committing White genocide; they are ultimately committing mass suicide.

    Birth control AND border control, NO APOLOGIES!

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  131. poop says:
    @John Jeremiah Smith

    I commend you for being a stand-up individual, a rarity in the online world.
     
    And I commend you for being so transparent about use of two login ids.

    Fair enough. Touche, good sir!

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  132. poop says:
    @MarkinLA
    That illegals ruin neighborhoods, I would have thought somebody like you that has mastered pissing his tampon and posting AT THE SAME time from his mommy's basement would have figured it out.

    Wow MarkinLA. Super well conceived and intellectual comment.

    Just so you know, I piss in my backyard. I defecate in my toilet.

    I have never used a tampon.

    I don’t live with my mother.

    My mother doesn’t have a basement.

    I have a multitude of experience with “illegals” and have not gotten the sense that they “ruin” neighborhoods for anyone.

    Their food is actually really good, if you ever get out of YOUR mother’s basement you should try it sometime. Oooooh, burn! How does that feel? Hot, huh? Straight fire!

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    Wow MarkinLA. Super well conceived and intellectual comment.

    I always try to bring the conversation down to the intellectual level of the person on the other side so they won't get offended. In your case I succeeded.
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  133. MarkinLA says:
    @poop
    Wow MarkinLA. Super well conceived and intellectual comment.

    Just so you know, I piss in my backyard. I defecate in my toilet.

    I have never used a tampon.

    I don't live with my mother.

    My mother doesn't have a basement.

    I have a multitude of experience with "illegals" and have not gotten the sense that they "ruin" neighborhoods for anyone.

    Their food is actually really good, if you ever get out of YOUR mother's basement you should try it sometime. Oooooh, burn! How does that feel? Hot, huh? Straight fire!

    Wow MarkinLA. Super well conceived and intellectual comment.

    I always try to bring the conversation down to the intellectual level of the person on the other side so they won’t get offended. In your case I succeeded.

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    Good one MarkinLA. You really got me there! I decided to delete my original response because I thought it might hurt your feelings, similarly to the presence of Mexicans apparently does. Regardless, the world wants to know if you attained your PhD from MIT or Caltech. I'm guessing Caltech because of the SoCal reference. You seem brilliant.
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  134. MEH 0910 says:

    Mr. Reed, with this piece, you’ve jinxed Mexico. Ever since it appeared, Mexico has been hard hit by earthquakes.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/world/americas/mexico-earthquake.html?mcubz=1

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/world/americas/mexico-earthquake.html?mcubz=1

    “It’s like Sodom and Gomorrah, like God is angry at us,” said Jorge Ortiz Diaz, a 66 year-old government employee who was assisting with the rescues on Tuesday, his eyes filling with tears.

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    He must be aiming some prep work before the Big One for California.
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  135. @MEH 0910
    Mr. Reed, with this piece, you've jinxed Mexico. Ever since it appeared, Mexico has been hard hit by earthquakes.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/world/americas/mexico-earthquake.html?mcubz=1

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/world/americas/mexico-earthquake.html?mcubz=1


    “It’s like Sodom and Gomorrah, like God is angry at us,” said Jorge Ortiz Diaz, a 66 year-old government employee who was assisting with the rescues on Tuesday, his eyes filling with tears.
     

    He must be aiming some prep work before the Big One for California.

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    He must be aiming some prep work before the Big One for California.

     

    'Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished. Although 60+ million illegals infest the homeland outside of Terra Californa, for the San Andreas fault to drop its western shear point into the Pacific would be the best of all possible worlds. For awhile.
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  136. @Daniel Chieh
    He must be aiming some prep work before the Big One for California.

    He must be aiming some prep work before the Big One for California.

    ‘Tis a consummation devoutly to be wished. Although 60+ million illegals infest the homeland outside of Terra Californa, for the San Andreas fault to drop its western shear point into the Pacific would be the best of all possible worlds. For awhile.

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  137. MEH 0910 says:

    https://fredoneverything.org/fred-takes-month-off-earth-wobbles-in-orbit-kingdoms-fall/

    Fred Takes Month Off: Earth Wobbles in Orbit, Kingdoms Fall
    Posted on September 16, 2017 by Fred Reed

    This sublime column will be on vacation until about October 15 from sheer exhaustion. The wells of libel and sedition are not without limits and, having run dry, must replenish themselves from the slow flow of bile’s aquifers. At the end of this respite, FOE will take Weighty Decisions, but for the moment there are books I have not red and red wine I have not drunk, the accumulation of which could shift the gravitational balance of the cosmos. I must attend to these matters. Fred, out.

    I apologize for the gibberish that afflicted this week’s effort. A software failure.

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  138. Fred Reed, who evidently never heard of chain migration, is indistinguishable in argumentative style and substance from Jorge Ramos in full chimp-out mode.

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  139. poop says:
    @MarkinLA
    Wow MarkinLA. Super well conceived and intellectual comment.

    I always try to bring the conversation down to the intellectual level of the person on the other side so they won't get offended. In your case I succeeded.

    Good one MarkinLA. You really got me there! I decided to delete my original response because I thought it might hurt your feelings, similarly to the presence of Mexicans apparently does. Regardless, the world wants to know if you attained your PhD from MIT or Caltech. I’m guessing Caltech because of the SoCal reference. You seem brilliant.

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