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A few thoughts on our disastrous trillion-dollar military:

It is unnecessary. It does not defend the United States. The last time it did so was in 1945. The United States has no military enemies. No nation has anything even close to the forces necessary to invade America, and probably none the desire. A fifth of the budget would suffice for any real needs.

“Our boys” are not noble warriors protecting democracy, rescuing maidens, and righting wrongs. They are, like all soldiers, obedient and amoral killers. Pilots bombing Iraq or Syria know they are killing civilians. They do not care. If ordered to bomb Switzerland, they would do it. This is the nature of all armies. Glamorizing this most reprehensible trades is just a means of usefully stimulating the pack instinct which we often call patriotism.

The militarily is America’s worst enemy. It does enormous damage to the United States while providing almost no benefit. Start with the war on Vietnam that cost hugely in money and lives, ours and theirs, with no benefit. Iraq: high cost, no benefit. Afghanistan: High cost, no benefit. Syria: High cost, no benefit.

The costs in lives and money do not include the staggering cost of weapons that do nothing for America or Americans. Do you, the reader, believe that you are safer because of the F-35? Do a dozen aircraft carriers improve the lives of your children? Will the B-21, an unbelievably expensive new thermonuclear bomber, make your streets safer? Then add the bleeding of engineering talent better spent on advancing America’s economic competitiveness. The country has many crying needs, falls behind China, but money and talent go to the military.

We cannot escape from the soldiers. The armed forces have embedded themselves so deeply into the country that they have almost become the country. America is little more than a funding mechanism for what clumsily may be called the military-industrial-intelligence-media-Israeli complex. Some of these entities belong to the military (NSA). Some depend on it (Lockheed-Martin). Some use it to their own ends (Israel), but the military is the central infection from which the other symptoms flow. Congress? A storefront, a subcommittee of the Knesset or, as P. J. O’Rourke put it, a parliament of whores. Factories, jobs, contracts, towns depend on military spending. If the Second Marine Division folded, Jacksonville NC would dry up and blow away. So would dozens of other towns. Without military spending, California’s economy would crash. Universities depend on military research funding.

The military has achieved its current autonomy by degrees, unnoticed. The Pentagon learned much in Vietnam, not about fighting wars, which it still cannot do well, but about managing its real enemy, the public. The media, which savaged the war on Vietnam, are now firmly controlled by the corporations that own them. Thus we do not see photos of the horrors committed by American aircraft bombing cities. While the existence of phenomenally expensive weapons like the B-21 is not quite suppressed, coverage is so slight that most Americans have never heard of it. This the Complex learned from the F-35 debacle. And of course Congress, thoroughly bought and wanting jobs in its districts, allows no serious opposition to anything military. Neither Congress nor the media point out the extent to which military expenditure dominates the economy, draining resources from civilian needs.

Why does the military not win wars? In part because winning is not in the interest of the Pentagon and those who feed on it. Wars generate profitable contracts for all manner of supplies and equipment. Either winning or losing ends the gravy train. For example, the war on Afghanistan of almost two decades has become an entitlement program for the arms industry, accomplishing nothing, killing countless peasants, and lacking purpose other than maintaining an unneeded empire and funneling money to the Complex.

How did the Complex free itself from civilian control? The crucial step in depriving the public of influence was the neutering of the constitutional requirement that wars be declared by Congress. The military thus became the private army of the President and those who control him. Then came the All Volunteer Army, which ended inconvenience to or mutilation of the children of people of importance, leaving the body bags to be filled by deplorables from Memphis or Appalachia or Mexico. America’s wars then became air wars and finally drone wars, reducing casualties to very few. The public, both ignorant and uninvolved, became acquiescent.

As I write, we wait to see whether Trump, and those behind him, will put America deeper into the Mid-East and perhaps war with Russia. If he does, we will read about it the next day in the newspapers. It will be expensive, dangerous, and of no benefit to anyone but the arms industry and Israel.

Despite the asphyxiating economic presence, the military keeps aloof from America. This too serves the purposes of the Complex, further preventing attention by the public to what is not its business. In the days of conscription there was a familiarity with the armed services. Young men from most social classes wore the uniform however ruefully and told of their experiences. Not now. The career military have always tended to keep to themselves, to socialize with each other as the police do. Now the isolation is almost hermetic. You can spend years in Washington or New York and never meet a colonel. Military society with its authoritarianism, its uniforms and its uniform government-issue outlook is not compatible with civil society. To the cultivated, military officers seem simple-minded, conformist and…well, weird.

ORDER IT NOW

Add it all up and you see that the citizenry has no say–none–over the Complex, which is autonomous and out of control. If the Complex wants war with Russia or China, we will have-war with Russia or China. Ask people whether they would prefer a naval base in Qatar–which most have never heard of, either the base or the country–or decent heath care. Then ask them which they have.

The military destroys America and there is nothing–nothing at all–that you can do about it.

Further, the Complex drives foreign policy, and in directions of no benefit to America or Americans. For example, the contrived fury against Russia. Why this? Russia presents no danger to America or anyone else. The Complex makes foreign policy for its own ends, not ours.

A rising Asia is challenging the America military Empire. The tide runs against the Complex. North Korea faced Washington down and became a nuclear power. The Crimea went back irrevocably to Russia. East Ukraine does the same. Iran got its treaty and becomes part of the world order. In the South China Sea, China ignores the US, which once was supreme in all the seas. The war against Afghanistan heads for its third decade and the war on Syria seems to have failed. Other things go badly for the Empire. The dollar is under siege as reserve currency. China grows economically, advances rapidly in technology and, doubtless terrifying to Washington, tries to integrate Asia and Europe into a vast economic bloc. The Complex beats the war drums as its fingers loosen on the world’s collective throat.

Washington desperately needs to stop the rollback of American power, stop the erosion of the dollar, block the economic integration of Eurasia and Latin America, keep Russia from trading amicably with Europe. It will do anything to maintain its grip. All of its remote wars in far-off savage lands, of no importance to America or Americans, are to this purpose. A militarized America threatens Russia, threatens China, threatens Iran, threatens North Korea, threatens Venezuela, expands NATO, on and on.

America has been hijacked.

Fred Reed is a retired news weasel and part-time sociopath living in Mexico with his wife and three sueless but agreeable street dogs.

(Republished from Fred on Everything by permission of author or representative)
 
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  1. Jeff77450 says:

    Fred, a bit harsh in places. Having served for twenty-four years, ’76-’00, active & reserve, I can say with certainty that the men & women who comprise the armed forces are a more complex & nuanced group than your brief description of them as “obedient and amoral killers.” The number that are amoral killers is probably about the same as those whose main motivation for joining is patriotism, i.e. relatively small.

    That said, I get what you’re saying. The problem is that nature abhors a vacuum. If America brings the troops home, closes all the bases and “raises the drawbridge” the various bad-actors of the world will proceed to aggress against their neighbors much more so than they already do. Would be an interesting experiment, though, for America to cease being the world’s policeman. I suspect that the rest of the so-called free world would be begging us to resume the role almost immediately.

  2. peterAUS says:

    Another shallow and superficial rant about a very important topic.

    Good for venting, though.
    And then moving on with no change whatsoever.

    The public, both ignorant and uninvolved, became acquiescent.

    With approach to the topic like this, no wonder. Makes sense.

    • Disagree: Antiwar7
    • Replies: @Begemot
    , @Realist
    , @pyrrhus
  3. Well thought out and well written.

    I think your spell checker messed up on: The militarily is America’s worst enemy.

  4. The militarily is America’s worst enemy

    No, that would be spellcheck, which makes you think you’ve written something coherent when you haven’t.

    And it’s worth noting that Fred Reed, cheerleader for the Mexican invasion of the U.S., wants the U.S militarily to disarm right now. Interesting.

    • Replies: @Byrresheim
    , @SMK
    , @augusto
  5. @Jeff77450

    Sad to say, the principle “bad actor” in the world today, and the one committing the most aggression, is the United States itself. The United States generates the most instability and is the country that threatens world peace the most. I half expect to see the U.S. try to torpedo the Korean peace talks, just to be able to maintain troops on the Korean peninsula.

    Fred’s had two good articles in a row and his conclusion is spot on: the United States has been hijacked.

    • Replies: @Antonio
    , @mikrat
  6. peterAUS says:
    @Jeff77450

    Agree.

    Particularly with

    Would be an interesting experiment…

    because certain countries/people within the reach of “various bad-actors of the world” would pay the price.Heavy price.
    There is that prevalent mantra here about Russia/China being forces of good. Yeah…..

    I’ve used the analogy here several times:
    US is like Tywin Lannister. Russia Rose Bolton, China Slavers Bay.
    Neither that good, but, definitely prefer the first.

  7. I am in a state of shock!!!!

    Finally! Finally! A Fred Reed essay that makes total sense!

    It is unbelievable! It is incredible!’

    It is like that 50s film, The Incredbile Shrinking Man!

    I have rarely read an article where everything the writer wrote was totally true!

    But Fred has done it.

    In the shadows of the late Chalmers Johnson, Fred has moved in taking up the slack.

    I say this: Totally correct. Total bullseye. The must clear-eyed analysis I’ve seen in the last few.

    Thanks, Fred. You may be a fool on most other issues, but on this one? You have it down exactly!

    • Replies: @exudd1
    , @John Achterhof
  8. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

    We live in strange times. Back in 50s/60s, the Anglo-Right represented militarism & empire while Jewish Left represented anti-war & peace with USSR. Today, the Real Right oppose war & support peace while Jewish ‘left’ call for more empire, intervention, & new cold war.

    • Replies: @mark green
    , @MEFOBILLS
  9. Anon[184] • Disclaimer says:

    Sirs,y
    I worked as an electrical inspector for the DCMA under contractors to the DCMA. I worked for 2 years in Iraq and 6 in Afghanistan. I meet and worked many honorable and competent military people; I also had the misfortune to meet a great many who were not so good. Unfortunately, the people that can’t make in the military are sent over to the contractors who hire them because of the old boys network and the vets perf. These are the worst.; if you are a civilian working under LOGCAP without the military service you WILL NEVER get advancement . The slugs from the military get all the gravy jobs and it is AA run wild. The ethnics stick together and the dumb white guys who believe in merit end up in the crappy jobs doing all the work and not getting any credit and the first to be laid off.

    Not only that the LOGCAP program brinsg in Balkans and Indians to cut Americans out of jobs. Indians make about 700 USD a month 4 times what they would make at home. Balkans, around 4K 3 times what the make at home. These guys worm their way in and never leave; so your average American contract employee shows up and he is getting screwed from the get go.

    The story I was told if you get 100K the contractor get 200-250K

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  10. Fred, you’d best look out the window to see who’s at the door for the next few weeks. You may have written too much truth for the military-industrial-intelligence-media-Israeli complex to tolerate. Mossad has a few idle operatives in Mexico. Don’t get too high-profile. They kill people for a lot less.

  11. “Russia presents no danger to America or anyone else.”

    Tell that to the Ukrainians, Moldovans and Georgians. Putin has a serious desire to make Russia great again.

  12. FKA Max says:

    Mr. Reed ,

    I just commented on the topic here:

    The U.S. military is basically the right-wing/Republican version of the social welfare state:
    [...]
    Welfare’s last stand
    Long in retreat in the US, the welfare state found a haven in an unlikely place – the military, where it thrived for decades
    [...]
    https://aeon.co/essays/how-the-us-military-became-a-welfare-state

    http://www.unz.com/video/ramzpaul_the-comprehensive-strategy-dance/#comment-2291469

    Listen to Jennifer Mittelstadt explain the term “military welfare state” on The Strategy Bridge’s podcast:
    [...]
    America’s all-volunteer army took shape in the 1970s, in the wake of widespread opposition to the draft. Abandoning compulsory conscription, it wrestled with how to attract and retain soldiers—a task made more difficult by the military’s plummeting prestige after Vietnam. The army solved the problem, Jennifer Mittelstadt shows, by promising to take care of its own—the more than ten million Americans who volunteered for active duty after 1973 and their families. While the United States dismantled its civilian welfare system in the 1980s and 1990s, army benefits continued to expand.

    Yet not everyone was pleased by programs that, in their view, encouraged dependency, infantilized soldiers, and feminized the institution. Fighting to outsource and privatize the army’s “socialist” system and to reinforce “self-reliance” among American soldiers, opponents rolled back some of the military welfare state’s signature achievements, even as a new era of war began.

    http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674286139

    Right now, since unemployment is so low, recruiters have a harder time finding qualified candidates:

    Trump Wants To Beef Up The Military, But Recruiters Are Having Trouble Finding People (HBO)

    Booming military benefits

    The cost of military pay raises and benefits programs, which have increased almost 90 percent since 2001, have become the fastest-growing part of the Pentagon’s budget and now account for more than a quarter of all defense spending. Here is a look at the types of compensation provided to active-duty troops and retirees, how those costs have grown and where they are headed.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/national/booming-military-benefits/200/

    Related: Commissary plan, backlash show difficulty of cutting military personnel spending https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/commissary-plan-backlash-show-difficulty-of-cutting-military-personnel-spending/2013/06/01/15fb6c12-c922-11e2-9245-773c0123c027_story.html

    • Replies: @anon
    , @exudd1
  13. @Bragadocious

    OMG Yet another nitpicking, mean-spirited, petty, big-mouth,, intellectually bone-lazy commenter. Do you actually carefully read and ponder what is written? Is your attention span longer than a few minutes? Do you have any respect for an author–or for yourself? Has it occurred to you that the author’s main points are on the whole absolutely correct and even self-evident? If you’re going to take the trouble to critique, how about doing it with intellectual and moral integrity, with some degree of thoroughness and, frankly, coherent thought? Are you even capable of it? Wouldn’t it have been better for you to exercise some self-control and keep silent?

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
  14. dearieme says:

    “Wars generate profitable contracts for all manner of supplies and equipment.” True.

    Poverty generates profitable contracts for all manner of community organisers and social scientists.

    Disease generates profitable contracts for all manner of medics and manufacturers.

    And so on. The problem is general.

    Unhappy marriages generate profitable contracts for all manner of lawyers and assassins. I beg your pardon, I meant “accountants”.

  15. 76239 says:

    Well done. A well written dose of honesty about this criminal system.

  16. Isabella says:
    @Quartermaster

    I’d suggest you read a little outside of what American MSM wants you to believe.
    Russia is, as Fred has said, of no danger to anybody. I would add – to anybody who leaves her alone.
    As with poking a bear; if you leave it alone, it ignores you. Start hitting it, it rips you to bits. Same analogy.
    As to Ukraine, everyone now who still has 2 brain cells synapsing is aware that Ukraine was a US organised, backed and paid for coup d’etat. IN fact, Putin gets a huge amount of crap from many Alt-Med sites and commentators for NOT going in with tanks and levelling Kiev to the ground, which she could have done in 1.5 days flat. Including tea breaks.
    Russia has nothing to do with Moldova.
    Georgia, with some encouragement from a few CIA types had an insane President, who launched an unprovoked attack on South Ossetia, and fired on and killed Russian peacekeepers at 2 a.m. one morning. Many in Georgia were being air-bombed. A young girl there visiting from America with her aunt was rescued – by Russian soldiers. She tried to thank them on US tv, and was cut off by the anchor!! Once the situation in Georgia had been resolved with the Georgian troops returned to base, Russia left. Something America has never, ever, done. Where ever it goes, it stays, like brown sticky stuff on your shoe.
    So get your facts straight. Remember, Putin made a small comment that the Empire appears to have overlooked. You should never, he said, corner anyone. Read up about what a cornered rat did to him, and what he learned from it.
    The Empire is pushing and pushing and pushing. Putin has warned and warned and warned.
    Russia is no danger to anyone who leaves her alone – something the Ruling Regime of the Fascist Empire of America seems unable to grasp.

  17. @Quartermaster

    Even assuming Vladimir Putin has such designs (I’m skeptical that he wants more ethnic minority headaches than he has already), why is any of this the business of the United States?

  18. Fine job stating the obvious Fred. I mean that as a compliment. It is the obvious that is most likely to be overlooked by my countrymen.

    It’s the foggy bottom. The District of Corruption. The seat of the Anglo/Zio Empire that is the most dangerous enemy of the people of earth. The good news – the empire is in steep decline. The bad news – it will reach peak madness just before it dies.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  19. The US military just got an unneeded 10% budget boost because of spin that its budget was cut, while it has increased each year. The only cuts were to the big increases demanded. The Pentagon also lies and says that every military readiness issue is not caused by incompetence, but a lack of money.

    Watch the idiotic responses by Fox News propagandists when former Republican Congressmen David Stockman recently informed them that the Pentagon budget should be slashed, not increased.

    • Replies: @Mike P
    , @Rich
    , @Miro23
  20. Antonio says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    Totally agree. The US is seen in most of the world as the bully of the nations, not the policeman, even in the EU (don’t be fooled by our leaders, we don’t control them).

  21. Mike P says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    OMG, that “news” video. Not only do these “journalists” babble like first-graders – they have even unlearned to present facial expressions appropriate for sentient human beings. Turn off the sound and it’s like watching “Finding Nemo”.

  22. bluedog says:
    @Jeff77450

    No Isreal could’nt take over the Mid-East if we weren’t around, they would either get along with their neighbors or cease to exist,the world gained nothing in Korea except the thousands and millions slaughtered,the world gained nothing with our false flag to get us into Nam except for the thousands and millions slaughtered and then it was on to Afghanistan,Yemen Syria,yes your right the world would be a safer place without out endless wars, and if we can’t fine one we create one, the Mid-East is more than proof of that, and you know I don’t know of any country or countries who are crying for us to be the policeman, when we lack the capability to even control the whores in congress>>>

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  23. How did the Complex free itself from civilian control? The crucial step in depriving the public of influence was the neutering of the constitutional requirement that wars be declared by Congress. The military thus became the private army of the President and those who control him.

    If I’d come upon this paragraph first, I’d have thought I was reading an article by Ron Paul. However, most Americans don’t want to hear the old boring stuff about “muh Constitution”, right, so they will never understand this.

    Good column, Mr. Reed. About the only thing I see missing is the American elites’ use of the US military as a grand social experiment, which will make these forces not so effective in a real war with a serious enemy. Being the big bully of the world will work out fine until the first knock-out punch, or the money runs out. The latter will probably happen first – (see peak neocon here and here.)

    • Agree: Dissident
  24. Begemot says:
    @peterAUS

    Another shallow and superficial rant…

    It’s you, Peter, shallow and superficial.

  25. Mr bob says:

    LOTS of ad hominem directed at Fred in these comments, without even the slightest refutation whatsoever at the content of his article. There is clearly a strong emotional need to believe that the US military is “a global force for good” among many commenters, since there shouting down of Fred is emotional and without evidence of where he has made an error in his thinking. And to the first commenter who thinks people of earth who would be begging to have the US military back in their homelands should it ever leave: you have obviously never met a person who is not from America. There is really nothing else I can say to such an insane, immature, deliberately stupid remark. God help you. No country on earth wants the US military in it. If any sizeable portion of the brainwashed, two-digit IQ, blaspheming american “christian” population ever wakes up to the scam, it could be over in an election cycle, but it’s probably impossible. The crushing weight of universal propoganda and perfectly orchestrated identity politics is just too much.

    On a personal level, I have met many men who work for the war profiteers, some at fairly influential levels. They are pure, straight evil; filled with more explosive anger and hate than anyone you’ve ever met. They are as bad as bad gets. Trust me. To this day, I have never met people like them.

    • Agree: manorchurch
    • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
  26. anon[693] • Disclaimer says:
    @FKA Max

    That aeon article was stupid. The first half summarized the (prescient, in my view as a one-and-done army officer) worry that adding all these social welfare bennies would turn the army into a bunch of single mothers, which it did, and undermine readiness. The second half, which I guess was the overall point of the article, was whining about how “boo hoo the military is getting its bennies privatized, how are we going to care for all these single mothers?”

  27. @Jonathan Sachs

    Another hit-and-run one post wonder. Fred Reed’s columns seem to be literally filled with you deranged sockpuppets. One post and then poof — you’re gone, never to be seen again. Quite interesting.

  28. kauchai says:
    @Jeff77450

    ” If America brings the troops home, closes all the bases and “raises the drawbridge” the various bad-actors of the world will proceed to aggress against their neighbors much more so than they already do.”

    “I suspect that the rest of the so-called free world would be begging us to resume the role almost immediately.”

    1) The korean problem was created by the FDR regime in its desperation to compete with the soviet union for world hegemony. 4-5 million koreans died horrible deaths from fire bombs, chemical and biological weapons, summary killings, rape and mutilations. Curtis LeMay (head of the SAC) used to boast that he and his killing machine had wiped off probably 1/5 of the entire north korean population. The plan for the partition of the korean peninsula was drawn up even before the atomic bombs were dropped on hiroshima and nagasaki. Kin Jong Un was right to develop nuclear capable ICBMs. The koreans never invited the empire to protect them.

    2) The history of vietnam was a carbon copy of the korean disaster. The french went back to attempt to re-colonise vietnam in 1945 and was met with fierce nationalistic resistance in the form of the VietCong. Defeated and humiliated in 1954, they (along with the empire) forced the partition of vietnam and ultimately handed over the wholesale reconquest enterprise to the empire. The end result was 3.8 million innocent vietnamese died from napalm bombs, agent orange, rapes and mutilation and torture (from the tongue of Robert S McNamara, the principle architect of the vietnam war). The vietnamese never invited the empire to protect them.

    3) From 1898-1903 the empire waged a cruel and devastating war in the phillippines war of resistance after the empire took over this piece of real estate from the spaniards after their defeat in the spanish-american war. Filipinos casualty were in the hundreds of thousands. Water boarding torture was invented here. The filipinos never ask the empire for protection.

    Ditto for iraq, libya, syria, grenada, chile, ukraine, bosnia, etc, etc. None of these nations solicited the empire’s protection.

    • Agree: Carroll Price
  29. Yee says:

    LOL… The author doesn’t understand how this game works.

    The US military is very necessary, even crucial, for keeping the US safe, because it’s sole purpose is to keep the rest of the world un-safe. Thus the US can become the only safe country in the world, Dollar can become the safe reserve currency for other countries, and investments can go to US.

    So, until Dollar lose the status of world’s reserve currency, there would be no peace in the world. The US won’t allow that.

    • Replies: @Byrresheim
    , @Realist
    , @m___
  30. The Scalpel says: • Website
    @Jeff77450

    “the men & women who comprise the armed forces are a more complex & nuanced group than your brief description of them as “obedient and amoral killers.”

    WRONG – they are certainly obedient and amoral killers. How many times have soldiers stopped an operation by refusing orders? ALMOST NEVER. So, either the US armed forces never conduct immoral operations, or they are obedient and amoral killers.

    Simply mouthing platitudes does not make things so. The proof is in actions. Troops may gripe and whine, but in the end they are almost all obedient and amoral killers. They may be other things as well, but at a minimum, they are obedient and amoral killers or they are in the brig or dishonorably discharged for refusing orders

    • Agree: Realist, schnellandine
    • Replies: @Byrresheim
    , @t-gordon
    , @SteveM
  31. Miro23 says:

    We cannot escape from the soldiers. The armed forces have embedded themselves so deeply into the country that they have almost become the country. America is little more than a funding mechanism for what clumsily may be called the military-industrial-intelligence-media-Israeli complex. Some of these entities belong to the military (NSA). Some depend on it (Lockheed-Martin). Some use it to their own ends (Israel), but the military is the central infection from which the other symptoms flow. Congress? A storefront, a subcommittee of the Knesset or, as P. J. O’Rourke put it, a parliament of whores.

    That’s pretty much it, with Israel regularly coming up with new projects to keep the MIC well funded and occupied. Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya were OK, but do you want and need a new war?

    Don’t worry, there’s Syria, Iran and Russia to be subverted, demonized and False Flagged.

    Also, there’s the conclusion that the MIC is more of an economic than a military enterprise. Zionists use it to build Greater Israel, but the US side are there more for the money. If they were giving real priority to military effectiveness, the F-35, for example, would never have happened, and their gargantuan spending would have resulted in far better systems.

    Furthermore, it’s only been used against poorly equipped lower technology opponents, with the great advantage that the MIC gets all the economic advantages without revealing the weaknesses of its products.

    Following this line, there’s the puzzle is why they would want to tangle with Russia. There are all kinds of potential downsides here (quite apart from the nightmarish nuclear risk). The only possible explanation, seems to be the dominance of the Israeli/Zionist partners, who very much want Russia out of the ME to clear the way for finishing off Syria and Iran.

    • Replies: @animalogic
  32. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @Anon

    I worked as an electrical inspector for the DCMA under contractors to the DCMA. I worked for 2 years in Iraq and 6 in Afghanistan. I meet and worked many honorable and competent military people; I also had the misfortune to meet a great many who were not so good. Unfortunately, the people that can’t make in the military are sent over to the contractors who hire them because of the old boys network and the vets perf. These are the worst.; if you are a civilian working under LOGCAP without the military service you WILL NEVER get advancement . The slugs from the military get all the gravy jobs and it is AA run wild. The ethnics stick together and the dumb white guys who believe in merit end up in the crappy jobs doing all the work and not getting any credit and the first to be laid off.

    I have first-hand experience with this as well and I agree with your comments. Because of veteran preference and military benefits you have a lot of low-caliber people who are living large. Beltway Bandits (even smaller subcontractors) hire a lot of really incompetent former/retired military types with paper mill degrees and pay them $150k for BS pseudo-tech Jobs (program analyst, cyber security).

    I see this crap and I wonder about all those middle-class parents making sacrifices to send their kid to a solid college for 4 years and the smart kid busting his ass to get a good degree from VA Tech or Univ. of Maryland. And afterwards if they go into the Military-Security-Industrial Complex— about 80% of STEM employment w/ one or more degrees of separation— they will have to be the grinders and producers and will never be living large.

    My sister is a federal employee at NIH who is involved in hiring people. She will see applicants with degrees from elite schools with years of experience and stellar performance at prestigious companies/labs. These people will be passed over for some 39-year old retired enlisted military (a lot of them naturalized citizens born in third-world countries) with online degrees from Community College of the Air Force and Capella University. When my sister used to push back she was been told in no uncertain terms that they have been forced to hire the vet.

    This crap is so pervasive in the federal government it’s sickening. And the deification of the military in the last 30 years has made this whole situation orders of magnitude more obscene. The center can’t hold. My only question is how and when will this idiocy stop??

    • Replies: @Da Wei
    , @anarchyst
  33. @Bragadocious

    He is not the cheerleader for the Mexican invasion.

    He is however, highly critical of some anti-Mexican prejudices.

    As far as I can tell, plausibility is on his side.

    Actually, that Mexican invasion would be over in a week if you managed to get your local chambers of commerce under control so that the demand for illegal workers would cease. One can dream, can’t one?

    • Replies: @Bragadocious
    , @Ben Sampson
  34. Miro23 says:
    @Carlton Meyer

    The US Nomenklatura vs. David Stockman.

    Who made the mistake of inviting an honest and knowledgeable person like Stockman onto the panel? A bad career move for some Fox producer. And, the whole video would be surreal unless you spend some time in Breitbart comments where you can find the whole of the rest of the idiot chorus.

    Overall, I get a strong feeling that the United States is already Kaput socially, ethically and financially and that Stockman and people like him would be well advised to exit the place while they can.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
    , @anon
  35. @Yee

    Valid criticism of Fred Reed.

    I am tempted to think the man would even accede the point to you.

  36. @The Scalpel

    Sadly true.

    The difference between a platoon soldiers and a gang of murderers lies in their discipline and the quality of orders they receive.

    Since Vietnam, fragging seems to have been reduced to tolerable levels.

  37. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @bluedog

    Two quotes come to mind:

    “No one has deputized America to play Wyatt Earp to the world.” -Pat Buchanan

    “Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel , we had no enemies in the Middle East .” -John Sheehan, S.J.

  38. @Byrresheim

    As far as I can tell, plausibility is on his side.

    Is it? By showing us pictures of attractive Mexican women and saying “that’s Mexico” while eliding any mention of gangland murders, narco corruption and tin shacks with sewage running in the streets?

    Actually, that Mexican invasion would be over in a week if you managed to get your local chambers of commerce under control so that the demand for illegal workers would cease

    Not true at all. Do you live in the U.S.? No one asked the hombres from Jalisco who sell heroin in little balloons to come here. You’re talking out of your arse.

    • Replies: @animalogic
    , @byrresheim
  39. exudd1 says:
    @restless94110

    COMPLETELY, TOTALLY and UNRESERVEDLY AGREE!!!

    Both, Fred Reed’s article and your comments on it are perfect.

  40. exudd1 says:
    @FKA Max

    Excellent, informative comment!
    Good summation of pertinent data.
    Thanks.

  41. @Miro23

    Overall, I get a strong feeling that the United States is already Kaput socially, ethically and financially and that Stockman and people like him would be well advised to exit the place while they can.

    Done and done by the conclusion of the Bush administration. America is over. Fighting over the scraps, by various curs and mongrels, proceeds apace.

  42. @Mr bob

    LOTS of ad hominem directed at Fred in these comments, without even the slightest refutation whatsoever at the content of his article.

    What exactly is your definition of “LOTS”, Mr. Bob, ZERO? I see no arguments on this thread with ad hominem attacks on Mr. Reed. I read only a couple out of the 42 (so far) that are very critical, and about 4-5 that have some disagreement. The biggest amount are in pretty complete agreement with Mr. Reed’s point here, and mine was one.

    I doubt you read the comments, because otherwise your statement is a flat-out lie. It sounds like you had this one ready to insert in another thread and jumped the gun.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  43. America is little more than a funding mechanism for what clumsily may be called the military-industrial-intelligence-media-Israeli complex.

    This is backwards. Military force – coyly termed ‘security’ – is one of the USA’s main exports. Other countries pay for this service with raw materials and oil. Oh, it’s all buried under layers of companies and trade agreements and “markets”, but in the case of Saudi Arabia, the deal is explicit: old King Saud traded away all of the oil in Araby in exchange for US-backed “security”. That’s how it works.

    It’s the export of military might that pays (or paid) for America’s cheap oil and underwrites (or underwrote) the USD’s position as the world’s reserve currency. It’s that export that ultimately, macroeconomically, pays for all the cheap crap from China. It’s the military that pays for America.

    In some ways, the decline of the position of the USA in the world is a result of the USA losing its foreign wars. Not directly (after all, the USA hasn’t lost any territory recently), but because it erodes the market price of that indispensable export.

    • Replies: @Carlton Meyer
  44. Alfa158 says:

    Pretty good article but I have two points of contention.
    1) I would not cut the military budget to 1/5 but only to 1/3 since I would want money to militarize the southern border.( yes, I know it’s too late to close the barn door because the third world horse is already inside the barn, but it would make me feel better, and, it would severely reduce the flow of drugs).
    2) A lot of writers keep saying that military imperialism is being used to prop up the dollar as the world currency, but I haven’t seen any explanation of the mechanism by which military imperialism does that. It seems like the deficit spending it creates would have the opposite effect and weaken the dollar. It’s not like we are getting anything for it like free oil from invading the Middle East. The Romans practiced imperialism only where it paid for itself. After they finally conquered the Parthian Empire they pulled back again because they computed that they would barely be able to break even financially. In a math test in addition to giving the correct answer, your paper has to show the work that got you to the correct answer. I’d love to see an explanation, or a link to someone who does explain how this is all propping up the dollar.

    • Replies: @kauchai
  45. peterAUS says:
    @Achmed E. Newman

    …I read only a couple out of the 42 (so far) that are very critical….

    Mine is.

    The one of prevalent memes on this site is “US military bad”. It serves the most important purpose of this site, the “online therapy”.

    People are legitimately fed up with the current paradigm, but, because most of them are intellectually and morally lazy they focus that SENTIMENT on military.

    That’ s the same mindset which focuses on guns when crime is concerned.
    Or police when state violence is concerned.
    Or..any simple, easy, oversimplification. Focus on the symbol. Easy.

    It’s an emotional need born of frustration so no rational discussion is possible. The purpose of comments like mine is just to help bring out those in the need to vent. So..haha…minority which isn’t on the meme has a solid purpose here.

    Fred pulled a good article in that regard and the session is going not so bad. Beats paying professional help or drugs.
    Articles like this and consequent “discussion” is simply an outlet, a sort of safety valve for most of people reading, or posting.

    Getting into the heart of the matter is ….just too hard.

    So, next week next, similar, article, with next, similar comments….and again..and again.

    And, because there are more people having that emotional need than those willing to engage in some sort of discussion, there will always be that ratio. Most agree, some disagree.

    That’s the pattern here for all topics.

    Somebody is laughing somewhere.

  46. @peterAUS

    Yeah, yours was one of the “couple”, don’t worry.

  47. This baldly states fundamental truths which have to be stated, but which you won’t see in the commercial media, which is part of the military fascist state which has gradually developed over time as is hinted at in this article.

  48. @Dave from Oz

    Yours is new and baseless justification. A quick Google shows US Arms exports bring in some $80 billion a year. Yet less that half of that is profit since the rest is needed for production costs.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-12-27/americas-arms-exports-dominate-despite-global-competition

    Meanwhile, US annual military spending is around a trillion dollars a year. About $680 at the Pentagon and the rest hidden in other budgets like the VA (benefits) and DOE (nuclear weapons) and Treasury (military retirement.) So we spend $1000 billion a year to earn $40 billion in profits? No wonder our nation is broke.We pay the world price for oil, no discount.

    Other nations have a strong currency without a single solider based overseas. Nations like Switzerland spend very little on their military, but the Swiss Franc is considered stronger than the dollar. How do they manage that magic?

  49. @Jeff77450

    Having served for twenty-four years, ’76-’00,

    You got out just before the coup d’état.

  50. Anonymous[181] • Disclaimer says:

    Yep, Fred, you are basically correct.

    When a soldier signs up, he gives up his moral sense. When the Ell Tee says shoot that guy over there you do it, thats what you signed up for and that’s what most soldiers do. The Officers will forgive you your sins, and they will tell you this is Just War.

    Crap. There may have been a few “Just Wars” but not very damn many.

    The military is really fascinating, they have a wonderful assortment of excellent toys, and the close-knit small unit camaradrie is quite alluring. Still, when you join you basically abandon your moral sense, no getting around it.

  51. America has been hijacked.

    It’s worse than Fred is saying. Upwards of 21 trillion dollars may have been siphoned out of DoD and HUD.

    I’d like more confirmation, but this Forbes article gives at least some.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/kotlikoff/2017/12/08/has-our-government-spent-21-trillion-of-our-money-without-telling-us/#20449dfa7aef

    • Replies: @renfro
  52. kauchai says:
    @Alfa158

    ” A lot of writers keep saying that military imperialism is being used to prop up the dollar as the world currency, but I haven’t seen any explanation of the mechanism by which military imperialism does that. ”

    1) Muammar Gaddafi proposed the gold dinar for africa to replace the USD. He was conned by the empire and france into demolishing his nuclear weapons R&D. The coup de grace; he was dragged into the open desert and cut to pieces by agents of the empire.

    2) Saddam Hussein reverted to the Euro for his oil. He was dragged out of his desert hiding hole and hanged before a kangaroo court.

    3) China started the ball rolling few years ago by doing currency swaps with its trading partners to bypass the USD. The empire threatened to choke its international payments flow. The chinese setup CIPS (China International Payment System) to circumvent. China has since followed up with a successful push into the IMF basket of reserve currencies for its RMB. They setup the AIIB, BRICS Bank to bankroll the Belt and Road Initiative and recently inaugurated the new oil exchange in shanghai trading in RMB. The empire is BOILING MAD! It used a domestic trade legislation 301 to impose unreasonable tariffs on USD 150 billion of chinese products. The chinese retaliated with tariffs on equal amounts of empire products. Not satisfied, the empire recently slapped a 7-year ban on ZTE (one of china’s largest telco companies) from purchasing empire made ICs. They also started to stir trouble on Taiwan with the Taiwan Travel Act, proposing to allow empire warships to berth in taiwanese ports, selling submarine technology, encouraging independence separatists, etc. Empire airforce has started flying B52 bombers close to china’s coast and stationing THAAD missiles in south korea. It has started with china already!

    There, is it crystal clear now?

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  53. Just one bone to pick with your essay, Mr. Reed. Instead of “the Complex,” you ought to have called it either the $wamp, or the Deep$tate.

    But instead of $wamp or Deep$tate, I like to call the U.S. Government (and even U.S. states’ and municipalities’ government) The State That Serves The State Itself (TSTSTSI – pronounced “tsetse,” as in the parasitical fly that both debilitates its prey by sucking its blood and also infects many of its prey with sleeping sickness, so the initialism TSTSTSI is quite apt), because today almost nothing of America’s governments now serves the American people and instead serves the Globali$t Open Border$ 0.1% Elite (and serves that Elite’s Praetorian Guard of its employees and contractors, in and out of government and in media and “education,” and such who make up the rest of the top 10%). TSTSTI is merely the complaisant whore of the Transnational Globali$t Open Border$ 0.1% Elite whose members use it to crush the Bill of Rights to meaningless, to further enrich themselves, and to increase their own power.

    • Replies: @Twodees Partain
  54. Excellent column. To those who say “support our troops”, my reply is that the best way we can support our troops is to keep them away from pointless foreign wars.

    To those who request donations at store checkouts to “buy a toy for a military child”, my response is “only if you let me specify that the toy will not be warlike in nature”. Blank looks, of course.

  55. @Anon

    Your observations are exactly right. But remember that back in the 50s, the dreaded USSR was very much alive and well. It was also still very much the political by-product of Jewish Bolshevism. Jews were a protected class in the early Soviet Union.

    The Soviet Union–as the quasi-headquarters of the world-wide communist movement–was also viewed as the fountainhead of a ruthless, totalitarian ideology. Thus the Cold War.

    In the late 50s and early 60s, I recall air raid drills as a grade school student. The fear of nuclear war was in the air. Was the fear of communism hyped? It’s hard to say now.

    I don’t think anyone expected the Soviet Union (and the communist movement) to implode as it did thirty years later. And the mercurial rise and evolution of capitalist/communist China since the fall of communist Russia is even more shocking. Surprises abound.

    But consider the Soviet Empire in its heyday: in Russia alone, communists controlled an area encompassing some eight time zones. And this huge expanse does not include the large communist bloc in Eastern Europe or in Red China. And while we hear plenty about Naziism’s sins today, no political movement in human history has claimed more lives than revolutionary communism. Its death count is unrivaled.

    Further, even if one accepts the Holocaust yarn as 100% true, Hitler’s killing spree happened during the final years of the most violent war in recorded history. And during this time, millions of Germans were also being raped, slaughtered and burned alive.

    On the other hand, before WWII after after WWII, communists were systematically killing their own fellow citizens on a scale never seen before or since. This makes their crimes far worse.

    Incredibly, though the communist experiment failed in Russia and eastern Europe, the architects and perpetrators of this vast criminal enterprise were never apprehended, never disgraced, never punished, and never brought to trial. And there were indeed many communists embedded in Washington, Hollywood and in US higher education during this era. Don’t believe the revisionists who claim otherwise.

    Sixty years ago, the Rosenbergs (Jewish) were put to death for passing nuclear secrets to the Soviet Union. This was the tip of an international iceberg. Truman, Eisenhower and JFK were cold warriors. America was united. Communist infiltration was real and dangerous.

    Back then, the US was whiter, far less concerned with race (or racism), openly Christian (prayer and Christmas celebrations had not yet been banned in public schools), and unashamedly segregated.

    For whites, living in separate communities from negros seemed natural, because it was. Back then, homosexuality was also taboo. Most women were housewives, raising a family. The feminist movement was something strange coming out of NYC, as were many of the intellectuals who felt alienated by white, Christian America.

    Then came the sixties.

    Before LBJ, Jews were not yet in control of Washington or Wall Street. Israel had not yet established its ‘special relationship’ with the US taxpayer, or its puzzling centrality in American life. ‘The Holocaust’ had not yet reached its sacred status. In fact, the expression ‘Holocaust’ had no particular link to Jewry until a special TV mini-series of that name appeared on television a generation later.

    Today, Holocaust ‘education’ is ubiquitous and mandatory. At the same time, memories of the Great War (WWI), WWII, Korea and details concerning the history of communism have faded away. ‘Less important’.

    Ironically, Holocaust signaling (tributes to the Holocaust) are getting louder and bigger as we travel away in time from the actual event.

    Stranger still, even though Russia today is no longer communist (nor at ideological odds with the ‘capitalist’ West)–it may indeed be more hated by America’s inteligensia and political class than even during the cold war. On its face, this fact is puzzling.

    But today’s antipathy for Christian Rusia and has nothing to do with ideology or even US security.

    US bellicosity towards Russia (and its key allies, Iran and Syria) is primarily about Israeli interests and Israeli security.

    Israel wants Assad’s Syria to come crumbling down. Though it’s not often mentioned, Israel and Assad’s Syria are still technically at war. Assad refuses to concede Syria’s Golan Heights to the Jewish State. The Golan was seized by Israel in a preemptive invasion (1967) and Israel declares it ‘Jewish land’. There will be no negotiated return. Israel needs to win this war while it still has Washington in its grip. The time is now, before it’s too late.

    After all, Israeli lawlessness cannot continue indefinitely–(or can it?).

    What if the world wakes up or reallignes in such as way that Israeli power is diminished? Suppose Jewish privilege vanished. What if Israel had to operate under international law? Then there would be immense problems for the Jewish State.

    Consequently, the Zionist lobby is working overtime to get Washington to give Syria the kind of high tech dismemberment that it imposed on Iraq and Libya. Only Russia (with help from Iran and Lebanon) is standing in Israel’s way.

    • Agree: Pat Kittle
    • Replies: @Rex Little
  56. Realist says:
    @Jeff77450

    If America brings the troops home, closes all the bases and “raises the drawbridge” the various bad-actors of the world will proceed to aggress against their neighbors much more so than they already do

    .

    There is no ‘bad actor’ like the US.

  57. Realist says:
    @Yee

    So, until Dollar lose the status of world’s reserve currency, there would be no peace in the world.

    That’s being worked on….godspeed.

  58. Realist says:
    @peterAUS

    Another shallow and superficial rant about a very important topic.

    Good for venting, though.
    And then moving on with no change whatsoever.

    Whining and crying will change nothing…..action is needed.

    That is the problem with most articles, plenty of problem stating, no problem solving.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @Twodees Partain
  59. Gordo says:

    No nation has anything even close to the forces necessary to invade America, and probably none the desire

    Mexico is invading just now.

  60. fnn says:

    Anti-inventionist and antiwar sentiment used to be the norm in the Old, Weird American:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_N._Eisenhower

    Edgar N. Eisenhower (19 January 1889 – 12 July 1971) was a lawyer, and an older brother of President Dwight D. Eisenhower. He was born in Hope, Kansas and graduated from the University of Michigan in 1914.[1] He began practicing law in 1915 in Tacoma, Washington and was known as a “shoot from the hip ultraconservative.”[2]

    According to his nephew John Eisenhower, Edgar Eisenhower “considered President (Franklin) Roosevelt a work of the devil,” and “tried to talk John out of a career in the military,” saying that he “should forgo any ideas of becoming a ‘professional killer’ and go to law school at his expense, later to join his law office.’

  61. @Quartermaster

    Quartermaster: Russia is a sovereign nation. How it acts towards its co-ethnics and political entities which BORDER it is Russia’s business, not ours. Ever hear of the Monroe Doctrine? How would you react if Mr. Putin declared the same? My nephews and grandchildren will not die for the Ukrainians or the Georgians. Former President John Quincy Adams said it best when he opined it was not the mission of America to prowl around the world looking for monsters to destroy.

  62. Da Wei says:
    @Anonymous

    Anonymous,

    I sincerely hope you continue to speak out loud and clear.

  63. @kauchai

    “There, is it crystal clear now?”

    No, it isn’t.

    “Saddam Hussein reverted to the Euro for his oil. He was dragged out of his desert hiding hole and hanged before a kangaroo court.”

    So if Saddam Hussien had said “I changed my mind; we’ll go back to the dollar”, the U.S. government would’ve said “okay let’s forget the whole thing and be friends again”? I think not.

    On the contrary, if the U.S. government wasn’t squandering everything of value in pursuit of world domination and control, and making itself almost universally hated and feared, accordingly, the dollar most likely wouldn’t be in trouble in the first place.

    • Replies: @kauchai
  64. @mark green

    In fact, the expression ‘Holocaust’ had no particular link to Jewry until a special TV mini-series of that name appeared on television a generation later.

    Not true. I remember hearing it used to refer specifically to the Nazi deathcamps when I was a kid in the 1950′s.

    • Replies: @Rurik
  65. Heymrguda says:

    Fred, like I said before, when you’re hot you’re hot. One qualification — “the last time we defended ourselves was in 1945.”
    The truth is there is no war — not one — the US had to fight — certainly not WWI, and not WWII either. We provoked Japan into attacking Pearl Harbor as surely as we used the gulf of Tonkin to get into Nam.
    But wether you agree with this or not, who can argue that WWII was a disaster for us. It caused the rise of the USSR — much of it due to the technology and resources transferred to it (B-29, atomic bomb, others) and the the creation of the PRC. This was used to justify the maintenance of a huge standing military and, of course, the creation of the military industrial complex as we know it today.
    But many intellectuals, for example Andrew bacevitch, are reluctant to acknowledge this.
    Before WWII we had the 17th biggest military in the world and we were proud of it.

    • Replies: @pyrrhus
    , @Vidi
  66. pyrrhus says:
    @peterAUS

    Nothing shallow or superficial about it, Fred hit all the bases. Our military budget is greater than that of the next ten countries combined, and it is used exclusively to blow up third world countries for fun and profit. The American population is being sucked dry for this scam operation…BTW, Fred didn’t even mention the $6 trillion that is missing in the Pentagon….

  67. pyrrhus says:
    @Heymrguda

    Agreed. Neither Japan nor Germany had any ideas or capability of invading North America.

  68. pyrrhus says:
    @Quartermaster

    Not true, or at least there is no evidence to support it….But in any event, where did the idea that the US should use its military to provide a security umbrella for every small country in the world come from? It’s insane.
    As for me, I don’t care about Moldova or Georgia, or any country that is outside North America.

  69. mikrat says:
    @Diversity Heretic

    “the one committing the most aggression, is the United States itself. The United States generates the most instability and is the country that threatens world peace the most”

    True, but you forgot that most of the aggression and instability (at least in the Mid East) is on the behalf of Israel. The Corporation posing as our Government is run by Dual Citizen Israelis and Zionists. AIPAC (https://www.aipac.org/) is an UN-registered foreign agent that has way to much influence.

  70. Rurik says:
    @Rex Little

    do you have any evidence of that?

    a link perhaps to an old article or TV show or something?

    from what I understand, no memoir from any of the main players, like Churchill or Eisenhower or Patton or anyone ever mentioned a holocaust of any kind, let along gas chambers..

    A curious oversight considering that we’re all bludgeoned with the Holocaust (and the evil Nazis being motivated to kill all Jews- out of a deranged hatred for no reason whatsoever except envy) from the movie screens of Hollywood 365.

    And the main motivation and the main thing we should all consider the most imporant thing we all learned about Germans and Jews and man’s capacity for evil in this world… we all leaned from the lessons of WWII. This lesson, is deep, and shows that sometimes not only are wars necessary, but sometimes they are holy.

    And yet from what I understand, the whole Holocaust narrative with the gas chambers and all was not known about until several years, (and perhaps decades) after the “event”.

    Not that Jews weren’t in camps and suffered and died, they did. But that the whole reason WWII happened- was because evil Nazis tried to take over the world, and kill all non-Aryans, especially Jews, was not even known about until the last few decades, after Hollywood and the Dept. of “Education” and the ((universities)) had accomlished their goal.

    Today we all know everything we have to know about that war, and the ones we’re fighting, (and gettiing ready to fight) today.

    Occassinally evil men, get ambitious and want to take over everything by force and kill everyone they don’t like, especially Jews.

    Hitler did it, and so we showed the Germans that racism was wrong by starving and killing a few million German civilians after the war was over, because they were Germans, and racism is wrong!

    Now today we have more Hitlers than we know what to do with!

    Saddam was such a Hitler, as I don’t have to tell anyone here.

    Gadaffi was Hitler, and look at him now!

    Today we have Assad looking to kill all the Jews, and the world is doing a Munich.

    Just as the world is doing a Munich with Hitler=Putin.

    When will the world learn?

    • Replies: @Rex Little
  71. @restless94110

    I don’t read all of Fred’s articles – and this opaquely titled piece nearly escaped my attention – but this has got to be his best work yet. I can’t imagine a more important subject to take on, and he nailed it. My only quibble, considering the necessity of administrators of government and prudence of some measure of military defense, is that the article should perhaps be titled, A Most Sordid Relationship. Sordid certainly is the word for it: while humans are by nature guarded and easily aroused against foreign adversaries, including suspicion of insinuation of foreign interests into domestic government, the interests of our own military-industrial complex are surely more baneful to the welfare of American society (and all life on earth) than any (prospective) foreign interlopers in pursuit of rapprochement or favorable business arrangements. In view of the obscene $1 trillion over 30 years quietly planned to upgrade nuclear capabilities it’s clear a lot of savings could be had in negotiating an end to the nuclear weapons era. Anyway, much respect to Fred for this clear-eyed analysis.

  72. peterAUS says:
    @Realist

    Well, if the “Internet blabbing” could change anything we would’ve stopped blabbing ages ago. The people in charge of the game would’ve made it happen.

    The main purpose of all these articles, comments, discussions is just really socializing and venting. Making a daily life easier.
    A virtual pub if you will.

    True, every now and then one can come across a valuable information, even insight, but, very little of any practical value. As in a pub, again.

    There is a pattern, on any Internet site, about what is posted, what is and how commented/discussed, and even more importantly, what type of people read and comment.
    That is also one of reasons sites like this exist, getting a feel for the mood of certain strata of community. For this site, a very, very small, marginal really, part of it.

    Still, it could an interesting social exercise analyzing all that on this site, if for no other reason but, because more leeway is allowed here, more insight one can get into workings of “Internet communities”.
    A pure social science exercise. With some bits of applied psychology.

    I’ve come to conclusion that really smart people with real information do not do “Internet presence”. It’s either former or later, but never both.

    Then, the very idea that free discussion can bring out some quality result is flawed. In any social group in real it does not work. There is methodology, established hierarchy etc. Not here. Hence, no result.

    I’ve never, ever, found an Internet site where a discussion/debate about a serious topic produced some tangible result. It always dissolves either into “pub noise” or heavy moderation and, in essence, online cult.

    Now….there IS one element of all this which COULD prove useful re meaningful change, but, let’s leave it out of this post.

    As for this article the noise will go for a bit, die down and then next week will see something like this again.
    Rinse and repeat.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @Stonehands
  73. Vidi says:
    @Heymrguda

    who can argue that WWII was a disaster for us. It caused … the creation of the PRC.

    World War II did not create the Communist Party in China, which was already a going concern in the 1920s. By the 1930s, a decade before WWII, the civil war between the Communists and the Kuomintang was already hot: Zhou and Mao did not embark on the Long March in 1934 for the sake of exercise.

    So when it comes to China, WW II was a wash for the U.S., which supported the losing side in China’s civil war (the Communists had overwhelming support from the people, who hated the incredibly corrupt Kuomintang). Without WWII, the U.S. would probably have supported the losing side anyway.

  74. @Rurik

    @Rex Little
    do you have any evidence of that?
    a link perhaps to an old article or TV show or something?

    No, just childhood memories, which I grant are unreliable this long after the fact.

    It’s quite possible that the term “Holocaust” wasn’t much used outside the Jewish community in the first decade or two after WWII. But by the time the miniseries came out in 1978, pretty much everyone already knew what you were talking about if you referred to “The Holocaust”.

    • Replies: @SolontoCroesus
  75. Realist says:
    @peterAUS

    As for this article the noise will go for a bit, die down and then next week will see something like this again.
    Rinse and repeat.

    Very much agree. What this country need is solutions not hand wringing.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @schnellandine
  76. peterAUS says:
    @Realist

    What this country need is solutions not hand wringing.

    Actually…hehe….it’s not only what “this” country (USA) needs but all of the world. USA is the power. All countries within its sphere simply do what they are told. The countries outside of its sphere, well……we know what happens to them.

    But, finding even a basis for a solution here, or anywhere in Internet really, simply ain’t gonna happen.
    Makes you think.

    I mean….all this instant communication, accumulated knowledge and expertise…and…no solution. No real solution I mean. Anyone is quite happy to come up with one, “debate” it and do it again…and again…..Feels good, though.

    I simply came to conclusion, more of a gut feeling, that no amount of rational approach will make any difference whatsoever.
    Difference in the real world I mean. Feeding egos and emotional needs, yes, helps there.

    What is required, IMHO, is something else we haven’t seen yet. Sort of… miracle.
    Something.

    What is that something I have no idea, but, well, that’s what hope is all about.
    Waiting for miracle……..

    In meantime, the game goes on.
    Writing articles and endless debates too.
    Sort of funny.

    • Agree: Herald
  77. anon[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @Miro23

    “exit the place while they can.”

    And go where?

    Iran? China? Russia? Mexico?

    • Replies: @Miro23
  78. @Rex Little

    According to Prof. David Engel, holocaust expert, scholar at USHMM and prof. of holocaust at New York Univ., holocaust did not become The Holocaust until shortly after the Eichmann trial and execution, followed by Israeli development of nuclear bomb and victory in 6 day war.

    According to Cora Sol Goldstein in “Capturing the German Eye,” which details psychological warfare carried out by US occupation forces against Germans for at least five years, with the primary goal of “deNazifying” Germans, even after the brutality of that era of brainwashing, in the mid- to late 1950s a poll of Germans showed that a majority of Germans still endorsed National Socialist policies.

    That changed, Goldstein wrote, in ~ 1970 when the Holocaust series was televised in Germany and worldwide. http://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/C/bo6161622.html After that, Germans began to distance themselves from NSDAP and fully incorporate the guilt that has become feature of German society.

    Bear in mind that the younger generation reached a sentient age; they had known nothing but anti-NS (and pro-holocaustism) from their earliest memories, with no memory of actual events.

    Holocaust guilt receives routine booster shots: E Michael Jones has a theory that promotion of sexual laxity is one means of establishing control over a population. On that theory, Jones notes that he was in Germany in the era of the Bader Meinhof gang. Many young Germans were sympathetic to the gang. To curb that, a series of movies was released that portrayed young Germans, esp. women as sexually seductive or debased. Shortly, the gang was wrapped up.

    As most know, Hollywood has been a major element in the dissemination of holocaust disinformation — https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0379158/ Imaginary Witness: Hollywood and the Holocaust ( use of the word “imaginary” is intriguing).

    Earlier this month a professor of theology lectured at Hillsdale College https://www.hillsdale.edu/event/guilt-and-forgiveness/ on the necessity of guilt for Germans, and a professor of German history at Case Western Reserve decries the notion that Germans recall the trauma Germans suffered without superseding that emotion with guilt. https://researchguides.case.edu/faculty-authors/SusanneVees-Gulani

    As noted, holocaust education is standard fare in US taxpayer-supported schools. In fact, NY Rep. Carolyn Maloney is renewing an effort she has pursued since 1999 to “Increase and Improve Holocaust Education in All US Schools.” https://maloney.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/maloney-hopes-to-increase-better-holocaust-education-across-us

    “Eight states (including New York) require schools to include Holocaust education as part of their curriculum, and another 12 states recommend teaching about the Holocaust. Michigan, Rhode Island, and Pennsylvania have passed laws in recent years to expand education about genocide and the Holocaust.
    However, these states often do not fund the development of innovative materials to teach the important lessons of the Holocaust.

    • Replies: @Wally
  79. “…and Israel.”

    Fred is beginning to get (((it))).

    he’s just got to get the causal arrow straight:

    the MIC does not tell the ZOG,

    the ZOG tells the MIC. From whose viewpoint,

    the Iraq War and the Libya War were great successes: both oil producers, who had dropped the petrodollar,

    were shoved back onto the petrodollar. Without which,

    the debt-floated ZOG’conomy would go to hyperinflation and collapse.

    In which connection,

    stay tuned for the Iran War, now that Iran, backed by China, has just now dropped dollar.

    Only question is,

    what, and how bloody the Zionist Occupation Gubmint’s war-inducing false flag will be. For instance, it is within the realm of possibility that the the Israeli aircraft which landed at Atlanta airport during the shutdown…

    off-loaded a small’ish nuclear weapon.

    • Replies: @Miro23
  80. Unsubstantiable, that is a good word to ponder. Every kind of wild deficit spending by the Federal government including foremost the defense budget, but every form of the varied government salaries and pensions, NASA, government research and I could go on ad infinitum, is unsustainable. The infamous other shoe is bound to drop sooner or later and God help the common man who is utterly unprepared for anything remotely like the Great Depression of the 1930s. Having myself lived through that time period, the world has changed so radically since then, I cannot imagine the coming Great Depression will be anything like the the relatively peaceful one of the 1930s.

  81. Miro23 says:
    @anon

    “exit the place while they can.”

    And go where?

    Iran? China? Russia? Mexico?

    Anywhere you like apart from the old Anglo world (USA, UK, Canada, Australia) or France, or the Middle East and Russia.

    The cities of the old Austro-Hungarian Empire are nice places, and these countries are more sane than Germany + they have controlled borders. South America is also improving to the extent that it is shaking off US interference, and in Southern Europe the PC/multicultural thing never really took hold. I don’t know enough about Asia to say.

  82. Miro23 says:
    @Haxo Angmark

    Only question is,

    what, and how bloody the Zionist Occupation Gubmint’s war-inducing false flag will be.

    They’re not going to be able to get support for their Iran war without a False Flag, and it’s going to have to be a big one and directed at the US.

  83. KenH says:

    The worship of the U.S. military has become a religion so much so that it’s probably making the plastic gods of multiculturalism jealous. Even in the 80′s and 90′s it was still hip and cool to bash the military/MIC on the political left but once Izzy realized its potential in furthering Israel’s regional goals it gave way to slavish devotion on both sides of the aisle and any genuine anti-military sentiment has now been relegated to the fringes.

    I think the only thing that will bring an end to this state of affairs is an economic collapse or a humiliating military defeat or string of them. We’ve forgotten what it’s like to get militarily punched in the mouth a few times. And by that I mean having surface ships sunk, half of our jets blown out of the sky or brigades and divisions getting wiped out or taken prisoner.

    But if neither scenario comes to pass with American whites in the midst of a demographic winter that means they’ll be a severe shortage of gung-ho whites guys to do most of the fighting and perform most of the critical tasks. You don’t see many black men and latina women piloting jets and helicopter gunships. So defeat and disaster looms on the horizon. Hoisted by our own multicult petard.

    • Replies: @anonymous
  84. @Auntie Analogue

    Yeah, well I think we should get even more esoteric that that. How ’bout that $#!+?

    Seriously, how many people would read past the first line of an article written the way you wrote that comment?

  85. @Realist

    Let me know when you’re ready to lay out a solution to a problem yourself, fantasist. All of your whining and crying that nobody is giving you solutions is getting old.

    • Replies: @Realist
    , @L.K
  86. Realist says:
    @Twodees Partain

    Well, it’s one of the little girls from Giraldi’s articles.

    All of your whining and crying that nobody is giving you solutions is getting old.

    A solution is not for me…it’s for you little girls, so you will stop crying.

    It is always easier to state the problem than to solve the problem.

    • Replies: @MacNucc11
  87. anonymous[107] • Disclaimer says:
    @KenH

    I think the only thing that will bring an end to this state of affairs is an economic collapse or a humiliating military defeat or string of them. We’ve forgotten what it’s like to get militarily punched in the mouth a few times. And by that I mean having surface ships sunk, half of our jets blown out of the sky or brigades and divisions getting wiped out or taken prisoner.

    Have to confess I’m no longer that impressed with American government or my membership in the organization.
    Even so, I’d much rather see that “humiliating defeat” or “punch in the mouth” delivered to Israel.

    Blow Israeli jets out of the sky.

    Wipe out Israeli divisions.

    Take Israelis prisoner?
    hmm — not sure about that: tolerating the kvetching of a couple thousand Israeli prisoners would be far more brutal than being punched in the mouth or blown out of the sky.

    Shoot em all. Let Yahweh sort it out.

    • Replies: @KenH
  88. kauchai says:
    @Harold Smith

    If your assumption is true, why did colin powell hold up the fake test tube in front of the UN Security Council to make his case for war with saddam? US and israeli and other western intelligence agencies knew in secret that saddam did not have WMD and yet the empire persisted in faking all the evidence including Bush Jr’s infamous “yellow cake” uranium purportedly illegally obtained by saddam from africa. There was NO CASE against saddam for the 2003 invasion. He was already defeated by Bush Sr in the war to reclaim kuwait. It was also after this defeat that saddam switched from USD to EURO.

    ” On the contrary, if the U.S. government wasn’t squandering everything of value in pursuit of world domination and control, and making itself almost universally hated and feared, accordingly, the dollar most likely wouldn’t be in trouble in the first place.”

    There is a very poignant story about a frog and a scorpion. Scorpion wanted to cross a stream and so begged frog to give him a piggyback ride. Stupid frog readily agreed and upon reaching the other side of the stream, scorpion raised his sting and deposited his venom into frog. Moments before frog dies, he asked scorpion why he was so ungrateful. Scorpion replied that, “its in my nature to do so”.

    The fools at Bretton Woods, the fools at the house of Saud, the fools who are suckling up to the empire’s sweet promise of democracy and human rights are being slowly but surely killed by the venom of this scorpion. There is yet another poignant story, again about frogs… a slow boiling frog. Haaa…haaa….haaaa…haaaaaaa…

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  89. Biff says:
    @Jeff77450

    Having served for twenty-four years, ’76-’00, active & reserve

    Doubt that you produced anything of value, so you’re welcome for us having to pay for your worthlessness all those years.

  90. Fearless Fred won’t hesitate to criticize anything.

    Except Israel & Mexico.

    • Agree: anarchyst
  91. @kauchai

    “If your assumption is true, why did colin powell hold up the fake test tube in front of the UN Security Council to make his case for war with saddam?”

    Because our masters were trying to create a pretext, obviously. But that’s irrelevant.

    “US and israeli and other western intelligence agencies knew in secret that saddam did not have WMD and yet the empire persisted in faking all the evidence including Bush Jr’s infamous “yellow cake” uranium purportedly illegally obtained by saddam from africa. There was NO CASE against saddam for the 2003 invasion.”

    Well of course there was “no case for the 2003 invasion.” Is there ever? No. But that’s irrelevant. At issue is the question: Why do they do what they do; what is the real reason? (Obviously, they don’t give a shit about “the petrodollar.” If they did they wouldn’t be trashing it, right?)

    And the most profoundly explanatory answer is also the simplest: They do what they do because they’re evil. Period. The end. The only thing that matters is complete world domination and control; the ultimate object being the establishment of Satan’s kingdom on earth as per Isaiah 14:13.

    Clearly, Saddam Hussein was toppled for the same reason that they seek to topple Assad: He refused to take orders from the empire. Selling oil for euros was just one manifestation of Saddam Hussein’s defiance.

    • Replies: @kauchai
    , @NoseytheDuke
  92. anarchyst says:
    @Anonymous

    Military preference might be the ticket now, but when I got out of the military in the early 1970s, veterans preferences were next to useless. Despite there being laws specifically directed toward Vietnam veterans, the jobs never materialized. The “good old boy” network was alive and well, then, but the hiring managers were government careerists NON-veterans, and seemed to purposely go out of their way to hire non-veterans. I ended up working for a defense contractor for the last ten years of my work career, which paid extremely well, but ended up being “cashiered” due to age, along with a few of my compatriots. The EEOC age discrimination complaint that I filed was seen to “have no merit”. You see, I was not the “right color”. Being white, the EEOC will not help and is next to useless.

    • Replies: @Anonymous
  93. Everyone in this conversation (including Fred) seems to agree that Israel controls US foreign policy. If that’s the case, my question is, how did the Iraq war benefit Israel? Don’t Israel and Iraq both have Iran as an enemy? Wouldn’t it therefore be against Israel’s interests to weaken Iraq?

    These questions are not rhetorical; I’m genuinely curious. I’m sure there’s stuff going on in the Middle East that I’m not aware of, since I’ve paid almost no attention to the place.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @Vidi
  94. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:

    “We should stop going around babbling about how we’re the greatest democracy on Earth, when we’re not even a democracy. We are a sort of militarized republic.” — Gore Vidal

  95. Anonymous[196] • Disclaimer says:
    @anarchyst

    Government employment has become another form of welfare. Government contracting is also another form of welfare and I would guess welfare fraud in government contracting is orders of magnitude greater than fraud involving social welfare benefits, where the dollars to begin with are a mere fraction of the dollars alotted to the military-security-industrial complex. And just like the military members who think that their video-game slaughter of third-world “enemy” is somehow justified, the contractors think that their theft of taxpayers to “protect the homeland” is also justified. Rationalization of these most grave transgressions (both among the top 10 worst offenses according to God) fall within the realm of vincible ignorance. ‘Just doing your duty’ or ‘just going along with what others were doing’ or ‘it’s just the way it was done’ will not fly for God.

  96. Uh, sorry Fred, but California’s economy today would not collapse if the military left. That already happened 20-25 years ago when the combination of the early 90s housing bubble bursting combined with the military base closures took place.

  97. @Rex Little

    “Everyone in this conversation (including Fred) seems to agree that Israel controls US foreign policy.”

    Unless in your statement “Israel” is a metaphor for a cult of Satanic, messianic, demon-possessed, jewish-supremacist madmen, I would have to disagree with it as written.

    “If that’s the case, my question is, how did the Iraq war benefit Israel?…These questions are not rhetorical; I’m genuinely curious.”

    I would answer that by way of analogy: The warmongering madness you see going on in the Mideast benefit “Israel” in essentially the same way that the Tate-LaBianca murders benefited Charles Manson.

  98. anonymous[365] • Disclaimer says:

    All of its remote wars in far-off savage lands

    In an article shining some light on the sheer savagery of the most potent evil on earth, Racist Reed has to subtly insert a pejorative about those beleaguered far-off lands. The filth of racism sure is difficult to wash off, yeah.

    Imperial degenerates are masters of Irony… along with Satanic Evil, Greed, Psychopathy… and still the evil empire’s much deserved earth-shattering comeuppance seems so distant. The mind despairs. :)

    I suppose, with great evil comes great survivability. No greater evil than the darkest city on the hill.

  99. m___ says:

    Usinig the military to sustain the dollar and the relative wealth of the US elites, compared to elites from elsewhere, anywhere, is the only option left, all of the past century and the end of the twentieth century this was obvious.

    Trade, Central banking the world, global corporations, are as dead as the dollar. The believe system has crashed. The religion of God being the elites of the United States of Amerika, is waisted on the elites of China, Russia, the states of Europe, every entity that has bargaining power is ready to desert US dominance and basking in it’s glory, is no longer interested in being taken by the nose.

    Who will suffer most, of course the “street”, the elites that mounted the scheme, will drop their vasals and scramble to anything but the dollar. There is going to be a shift of power for the long run, into the hands of Chinese structured policies, ideas, control, add a dose of Russia.

    Bombing or oblivion anyhow. There is no way to save face.

  100. Anon[334] • Disclaimer says:

    The High Cost of the Military Technical Revolution
    Flush With Cash, Running on Empty
    Chuck Spinney

    The Scandal of Pentagon Spending
    Your Tax Dollars Support Troops of Defense Contractor CEOs
    William Hartung

    …and many others.

    USA is dying, or maybe it died long ago and we haven’t yet noticed.

    Instead of government I see dictatorship. This may have been true for a long time…it’s been hard for me to stop sailing on the river of DeNial.

    Fred is right.

    • Replies: @another fred
  101. MacNucc11 says:
    @peterAUS

    So your problem is with this article not that it is wrong (or is it?) or just that it was written at all. The military is like guns when there is a shooting? I think the military is also people shooting the guns too though, so maybe not such a good analogy.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  102. MacNucc11 says:
    @Realist

    Oh I think all of us here know that the problem will be eventually solved. Called the fate of all empires. Now you be a good little girl and go cry yourself asleep over that. It will be ok sweetie. Mama USA will be around to protect the world forever. As far as the articles having no influence I guess our government disagrees. They are not trying to shut down these kind of sites because they are just such a waste of everyone’s time. But please feel free to stop adding to the time wasted.

    • Replies: @Realist
  103. Vidi says:
    @Rex Little

    how did the Iraq war benefit Israel?

    The destruction of Iraq removed an industrialized country with almost bottomless oil money (which could fund an enormous military buildup) from Israel’s neighborhood. From that point of view, it was truly “mission accomplished”. The cost was a lot of murdered people, trillions of dollars, and America’s reputation around the world — a trivial thing to the Zionists.

    Of course, what’s left of the U.S.’s reputation is just about the only thing sustaining the country at the moment, but one can’t have everything. All tools break eventually.

    Don’t Israel and Iraq both have Iran as an enemy? Wouldn’t it therefore be against Israel’s interests to weaken Iraq?

    Iraq was a more immediate threat to Israel.

  104. peterAUS says:
    @MacNucc11

    You confuse “problem” with “disagreement”.

    I have no problem with you committing suicide, for example, to send a message to the U.S. Administration. Like, you set yourself on fire in front of White House. An admirable feat,hands down.
    I have a disagreement with how effective that would be in changing U.S. foreign policy. You could, for example, believe that would change something there. I disagree. I believe it wouldn’t change anything.

    Having cleared that misconception, about the article.
    It is shallow. Not that it’s important, which brings us to the next paragraph.

    The purpose of the article is to make people fed with MIC able to vent their frustration online. So, majority really doesn’t want, need, to get really into the problem.

    People who do understand how deep the problem is (not even how to solve it) just can’t be bothered. No point.

    Now, if you really (hypothetically, I know you don’t) want to talk about that, it would take about a couple of weeks of very long posts exchange here. Probably some reading, a lot of thinking etc.
    No way, of course.
    Vent and wait for the next similar article. Vent again. Beats meds and alcohol. Let alone acts of violence.
    Everybody wins.

    Nothing changes, of course.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  105. Realist says:
    @MacNucc11

    They are not trying to shut down these kind of sites because they are just such a waste of everyone’s time.

    If they want to they will shut down any site they please.

  106. “It is not a good fancy,’ said the llama. ‘What profit to kill men?’
    Very little – as I know; but if evil men were not now and then slain it would not be a good world for weaponless dreamers.” ― Rudyard Kipling, Kim

  107. KenH says:
    @anonymous

    Even so, I’d much rather see that “humiliating defeat” or “punch in the mouth” delivered to Israel.

    Me too, but as soon as the first few Israeli jets gets blown out of the sky they will browbeat Trump to pull their bacon out of the fire and finish what the they themselves started. Failure by the U.S. to do so would be anti-semitic and the (((usual suspects))) and their goy toys in Congress would raise holy hell.

    For all of their supposed genius and military prowess the Israelis are acutely aware that a protracted conflict with mounting casualties would spell the end of Israel.

  108. kauchai says:
    @Harold Smith

    ” (Obviously, they don’t give a shit about “the petrodollar.” ”

    Really? What does the empire pay its military industrial complex with? What does it pay its troops and sub-contractors with? Gold, silver, precious stones, or anything of such nature? No, its the world’s most over valued ass wipe. And this ass wipe can be printed or computer created at will with no regard to its effects on the markets. Do you know why?

    ” If they did they wouldn’t be trashing it, right?)”

    Really ? How? Wanna hear a contrarian view?

    1) Throughout all the financial and economic scandals and disasters coming out of the empire since the era of the great depression, the USD had survived intact and thrived, especially so during the clinton regime when he (on the advice of robert rubin and larry summers) abolished the Glass-Steagall Act that separated consumer banking from investment banking. This led to the great financial meltdown in 2008. The FED then went on a QE drive starting in 2009 that pumped USD 20-40 billions every month into the empire’s banking system .

    Now, in a normal country, hyper excess liquidity like this will definitely lead to hyper inflation. But NO, this did not happen in the empire because most of this excess money was mopped up by wall street and parked into the stock market to shore it up – this in effect also shored up the USD to ensure the its survival. Whatever excess liquidity that was not mopped up was forced upon FOREIGN BANKS to absorb. Ask the belgians, french, germans, japs, aussies how many billions of these ass wipes were transferred to their banking systems.

    2) In 1971, Nixon abolished the gold peg to the USD and convinced the saudis to only accept USD as payment in exchange for security guarantees. The saudis’ excess USDs were recycled back into the empire’s banking system with regularity.

    3) When china applied to get its RMB included into the basket of reserve currencies early in the 2000′s, the empire put all sorts of obstacles in its path. Things only started to go china’s way when they established the BRICS Bank and AIIB with such strong support (even from the empire’s obedient puppies) that the empire started to realize china could set up its own IMF or WB without the USD.

    “They do what they do because they’re evil.”

    I totally agree. The root of this evil sprang from Bretton Woods in 1944 when the fools agreed to the USD as the common denominator for the exchange of international trade. BUT the manifestation of evil consumes precious treasure. They need to impose and ensure subservient compliance. If anyone went out of line they have to impose order. How? Obviously thru decapitation as first choice. But what if the adversary cannot be eliminated this way? War, of course! And how are they to execute these wars? Don’t they need soldiers and weapons? How are they to pay for their state-of-art weapons systems, soldiers, spies, mercenaries and poodles? In conclusion , military strength = value of the dollar and vice-versa. There is nothing else that backs up the ass wipe today. No USD, no military.

    So, when one has the machinery to print/create unlimited amount of “money” that is technically worthless, and this faux currency is used to build everything that one holds near and dear, it makes sense for the creator to protect it at any costs. Any successful challenge to this fake monetary system will bring the entire house of cards collapsing not only on the empire itself but its poodles as well. Remember the soviet union? Were they not bankrupted in a world hegemonic race with the evil empire? They lost because they cannot print “money” at will that they whole world can accept.

    No weapons systems, no matter how brilliant the war strategy is, will be enough to scare the demons in washington and london more than the collapse of the USD.

    So, how are they trashing the evil ass wipes?

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
    , @TT
  109. @Harold Smith

    Not quite. They are evil, of course, but they do what they do in order to stay in control and at the very top. That way they profit from both development and the subsequent destruction, and everything in between. It’s a cycle, and it’s been happening since Babylon and probably before that. Take a squint at The Forth Turning by Strauss & Howe. Out of chaos, order.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  110. @NoseytheDuke

    “Not quite.”

    I disagree. What escapes you is the apparent empirical fact that evil is not only the “means” but also the “end.” They enjoy hurting people.

    “They are evil, of course, but they do what they do in order to stay in control and at the very top. That way they profit from both development and the subsequent destruction, and everything in between.”

    But that doesn’t explain their death wish, for example. They’re irrational. They’re willing to risk planetary extinction. What good is it to be “at the very top” of a pile of nuclear ash? There is no satisfactory “worldly” explanation for the evil at work in the world. That would be like saying the “Green River Killer” (Gary Ridgway), or Jeffrey Dahmer, for example, did what they did for “sex.”

    They did what they did because they were evil; evil was both the means and the end.

    “That way they profit from both development and the subsequent destruction, and everything in between. It’s a cycle, and it’s been happening since Babylon and probably before that. Take a squint at The Forth Turning by Strauss & Howe. Out of chaos, order.”

    No, not at all. Only “goodness” can bring order out of chaos; evil can only cause chaos and destruction.

  111. @peterAUS

    Now, if you really (hypothetically, I know you don’t) want to talk about that, it would take about a couple of weeks of very long posts exchange here. Probably some reading, a lot of thinking etc.
    No way, of course.
    Nothing changes, of course.

    Well, things change slowly. Always have. Change almost always reflects underlying economic shifts. In that sense, human society is as much a product of evolutionary (i.e. elements of survival in the Darwinian sense) forces as is the boilerplate of species mutation theory.

    So, for a purely hypothetical question put to you, at what nexus does human society mutate? Being purely synthetic, not requiring any actual biological genetic mutation, human society changes via application of internal and external pressures.

    So, how do you want human society to change? Right now, it would seem that human society is operating very, very counter-evolutionarily. Nie? In what direction must it move in order to survive, and what change in factors can achieve that?

    You may pick your own factors, or, if you like a suggestion, how about “How can human society be brought to change into a state that is eminently ‘just’, law-abiding, and strictly observant of order and progress, but having characteristics that foster the continuing improvement of, say, the ‘human condition’?

    (And now for my continuing struggle with the Unz position that I am not he whose ID is in the blanks.)

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  112. @kauchai

    You claim that the U.S. government attacked Iraq and deposed Saddam Hussein because he started selling oil for euros instead of dollars.

    This is just a bare assertion with which I vehemently disagree. There are many lines of reasoning that would seem to refute your claim, but I honestly don’t feel like getting into a pointless, long-winded discussion about it, especially as I believe there is no argument I can proffer, no evidence I can cite that would change your mind; so I’m only going to mention a few things and then drop it.

    First, the robust historical record shows that the U.S. government has been beating up on Iraq for a long time, right? Was Saddam Hussein lured into Kuwait, his military smashed and Iraq’s civilian infrastructure trashed because of concerns over a potential threat to the “petrodollar”? I think not.

    And what about the sanctions against Iraq that are estimated to have killed at least 500,000 Iraqi children? Was that about protecting the “petrodollar”?

    And what about when Clinton started bombing Iraq, allegedly because Saddam Hussein wasn’t cooperating with UN weapons inspectors? Was that all about some perceived “threat” to the “petrodollar”? Again, I think not.

    Then there is the apparent fact that Saddam Hussein, desperate to avoid another attack, was offering ANYTHING and EVERYTHING (short of abdication) to Bush II, presumably including oil trading for dollars rather than euros, to avoid it; ultimately to no avail.

    “According to the Knight-Ridder news agency, the Iraqis sought a direct route to the Washington hawks in February. They found a Lebanese-American businessman, Imad el-Hage, who boasted he had a direct line to the Pentagon.

    Mr Hage told yesterday’s New York Times that he was initially approached by General Habbush’s chief of foreign intelligence operations, who turned up in Mr Hage’s Beirut office and promptly collapsed, apparently from stress.

    When Mr Obeidi recovered, he urged Mr Hage to tell his Washington contacts Iraq was ready to talk about anything, including oil concessions, the Middle East peace process, and banned weapons. The Iraqi official said the “Americans could send 2,000 FBI agents to look wherever they wanted”, according to Mr Hage.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/nov/07/iraq.brianwhitaker

    Then there is the apparent fact that trading oil for euros instead of dollars in Iraq would be insignificant in the scheme of things:

    “Even if all oil were sold for dollars, it would be a very small factor in the international demand for dollars, as can be seen with a bit of simple arithmetic…”

    http://foreignpolicy.com/2009/10/07/debunking-the-dumping-the-dollar-conspiracy/

    Saddam Hussein had to be deposed because he was an Arab nationalist who was not a reliable puppet ruler for the empire, not because he sold oil for euros.

    • Replies: @kauchai
  113. peterAUS says:
    @manorchurch

    You ask a lot of questions leading to positive outcome. Say, “optimistic” approach.
    as:

    …how about “How can human society be brought to change into a state that is eminently ‘just’, law-abiding, and strictly observant of order and progress, but having characteristics that foster the continuing improvement of, say, the ‘human condition’?

    There is another approach, most will, definitely, call it “pessimistic” (or worse).
    I call it realistic.
    It’s:
    Human society can not be brought to change into a state that is eminently ‘just’, law-abiding, and strictly observant of order and progress, but having characteristics that foster the continuing improvement of, say, the ‘human condition’
    Can’t be done and won’t be done, save a MIRACLE.
    What form that miracle will have I don’t know. Will it happen, no idea. Miracles do happen, though.
    That’s what hope is for.

    As things stand now (human nature, society, economy, politics, and especially nuclear powers foreign policy), it’s just matter of time before ICMBs start flying.

    My position is that humanity developed means of destruction above its ability to handle them.
    Or, when all those contradictions in power structure, justice, order, progress etc. got too big they were resolved through armed conflict. Wars, revolutions, insurgencies, whatever. The catch was, the level of destruction was never as high as now. Species extinction level. One word: nukes.

    So, when you look around you, the paradigm is ripe for another conflict.
    Without nukes, easy, as before, since the dawn of history. Except that: nukes.

    So, this time the “bang” will be different.
    Full reset.

    On a positive note, there are theories that similar has already happened at least once on this planet, so, not really the end of homo sapiens.

    Naturally, I blame “Dem Joos” in general and Oppenheimer, Einstein and the rest in particular.

    Anyway, only time will tell.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
    , @m___
  114. @peterAUS

    Human society can not be brought to change into a state that is eminently ‘just’, law-abiding, and strictly observant of order and progress, but having characteristics that foster the continuing improvement of, say, the ‘human condition’

    Perhaps I should have phrased the query in more Hegelianesque terms. Perhaps “How can human society be brought to change into a form that approaches being ‘just’, law-abiding, observant of order and progress, but having characteristics that foster the continuing improvement of, say, the ‘human condition’?”

  115. peterAUS says:
    @manorchurch

    Perhaps I should have phrased the query in more Hegelianesque terms. Perhaps “How can human society be brought to change into a form that approaches being ‘just’, law-abiding, observant of order and progress, but having characteristics that foster the continuing improvement of, say, the ‘human condition’?”

    The answer stays the same, IMHO:
    By some MIRACLE.

    They do happen.
    Will it happen this time, well, really, just one way to find out.

    The Hope.………

  116. Wally says:
    @SolontoCroesus

    Like all religions, the problem with absurd ‘holocaust’ Big Lie is that it is simply scientifically impossible.

    And if that Big Lie was factual then people would not be imprisoned, attacked, & harassed for questioning it.
    Only liars require censorship.

    Remember, we’re talking about an alleged ’6M Jews & 5M others’ … 11,000,000.

    There is not a single verifiable excavated enormous mass grave with contents actually SHOWN, not just claimed, (recall the claim of 900,000 buried at Treblinka, 1,250,000 at Auschwitz, or 250,000 at Sobibor, 34,000 at Babi Yar) even though Jews claim they still exist and claim to know exactly where these alleged enormous mass graves are.

    Join the growing truth in history movement:

    The ’6M Jews, 5M others, & gas chambers’ are scientifically impossible frauds.
    see the ‘holocaust’ scam debunked here:

    http://codoh.com

    No name calling, level playing field debate here:

    http://forum.codoh.com

    Holocaust Handbooks, Documentaries, & Videos

    http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1

  117. I must object.
    I know a few USA veterans, Korea, Vietnam, none of them was a killer.
    They believed the fairy tales used to send them in faraway countries ‘to defend democracy’.
    They now are disillusioned.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  118. @Jeff77450

    you actually think what the usa has been doing to the world since 1945 is police like action?

    jeeeeeeeeeeez.

  119. m___ says:
    @Yee

    So, until Dollar lose the status of world’s reserve currency, there would be no peace in the world. The US won’t allow that.

    Essentialy annihilates the whole of the article as second rate rant. One short comment is the core of the evasive idea of the column. The comment should be the column.

    Now ask yourself elites of the United States, if we deplorables and despickables as we are, grasp the idea as something within range of common sense, no mathematics required, then can you conceive that in Western Europe, in China, at Moskou, the global corporate elites do not grasp the concept having a wealth of insider data?

    Share or perish, US, ditto China, Russia, whether trade or military capitalism, some of the spoils of the elites will have to be shared and the burdens as a first. The commoner is game in any scenario, that is also well understood, and that in itself is essential to give some breathing room to a bio-diverse world(elephants, bees, resources and all).

    Consumerism, the globe’s religion, has suffocated the planet by expanding a global humanoid blob. AI, robotics, and soon to come genetic selecting, nanotechnology and all the goodies of “engineering” humanity are the hope for the next generations to solve the puzzle of human and planet. It is pretty obvious that “war” containing the understanding of conflict between elites, is obsolete. Again as for policing, it should thus evidently become consenting within global power networks. The concept of “war” could still serve a purpose as setting up chunks of populations into meaning as to themselves. The janissaries will keep doing what they are doing: herding and one more designing the individual and the grouping on orders of course, start with themselves, a priviledge!

  120. Logan says:

    But does defense spending “dominate the economy?”

    Here are four charts showing various ways of looking at the amount of defense spending, with the start period varying from 1940 to 1970, unfortunately.

    Chart 2, defense spending as a percentage of GDP, seems the most relevant to its relationship to the economy. It shows as 4 to 6% or so since the end of the Vietnam War. You can argue that this is much too high, but not, IMO, that it is increasing or is dominating the economy.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2012/08/28/defense-spending-in-the-u-s-in-four-charts/?utm_term=.89866d7b0d91

    There are, of course, perfectly valid other ways of looking at it. I always suggesting deciding on the relationship that you would think best expresses the relationship, then looking up the numbers. This brings somewhat of an element of “double-blind” into the argument.

  121. You can always tell when the U.S. military has lost another war: the minute they start calling it “long.” If they knew what to do, they’d have done it already. If they could have, they would have; but they didn’t, so they can’t. Time’s up. Enough with Parkinson’s Law meets the Peter Principle: or, “fuck-up and move up.” And stop the inane babbling about “wars” when the U.S. military only conducts endless, needless, pointless bouts of “fighting” with no other purpose than to maintain a death grip upon the nation’s budget. In other words:

    [MORE]

    Ordnance Expenditure Expeditions

    Ordnance Expenditure Expeditions,
    Use up and then order more munitions.
    Make sure to run down the inventory.
    Start wars for profits: the same old story.

    “Give us the money or we’ll huff and puff.
    Buy from us all of these weapons and stuff.
    No-bid, cost-plus guarantees we demand.
    And if we don’t get them, no jobs for this land.”

    How? First a false flag: a made-up “good reason”
    Summer, Spring, Winter, or Fall: any season.
    “Gas” attacks “on his own people” will do it.
    “Brutal dictator must go.” Then see to it.

    Second: “advisers” deploy for a tour,
    Helping make countries with little more poor,
    Calling in airstrikes to wipe out the towns
    Whenever local folks fight back with frowns.

    Third: the “straight-legs” force us all to include them.
    Regular Army. No way to exclude them.
    They’ve got their generals, too; they demand it:
    Their chance to play the Big Cheese (meaning, bandit).

    Fourth: then the Air Force and Navy want in,
    Bringing Marines as their “infantry” kin.
    Some to pin medals and stars on their shirts.
    Some to catch bullets and shrapnel, which hurts.

    Generals, admirals, colonels, commanders:
    Aimless amphibians, swamp salamanders,
    Punching their tickets while lost in a land which
    Doesn’t need them fucking up a soup sandwich.

    Still, screwing pooches can make a career.
    Just learn to lie with a lisp and a leer.
    No one will know, if your jargon’s opaque,
    How to distinguish the real from the fake.

    Just babble bullshit and throw in some numbers,
    Then keep it up until everyone slumbers.
    You’ll have succeeded when their eyes start crossing.
    Soon they won’t know a toothbrush from a flossing.

    Fifth: let the dogs-of-war piss on the fire:
    “Contractors” who’ll kill their mothers for hire,
    Shooting at anything moving on roads.
    Selling some “Safety” to rich loathsome toads.

    Last: the camp-following big corporations
    Feeding the troops on their overpriced rations.
    Petrol at four-hundred bucks to a gallon.
    Taxpayers sliced with a razor-sharp talon.

    No thought to budgets that balance the books.
    Just like Dick Nixon, these people are crooks:
    Buying Republicans who’ll chant “God bless!”
    Renting the Democrats who’ll lose for less.

    Dining at Davos in Switzerland’s mountains,
    Oligarchs drink to wealth spurting in fountains.
    Then with The Donald they swap salutations,
    Making our country a plague among nations.

    Michael Murry, “The Misfortune Teller,” Copyright © 2018

  122. @WorkingClass

    Fred’s article is great & to some it is “obvious”. However there is one aspect that does need to be highlighted.
    Mr Reed, rightly, speaks of the “Complex” – the military-industrial-intelligence-zionists etc who control the US. But this Complex is itself a TOOL for its controller: the 00.01% (& their various Dependants, parasites, bribees etc).
    Fred rightly noted that this Complex has been a huge waste, failure etc for the US. This is not entirely correct. For its Elite controllers it has been an astounding success. The Complex supports the Imperialism which allows US Elites to control, influence etc most of the world. Such world influence + domestic Oligarchy = ever increasing concentration of wealth & power. This is the raison d’etre of ALL Elites.

    • Replies: @m___
  123. TT says:
    @kauchai

    QE drive starting in 2009 that pumped USD 20-40 billions every month into the empire’s banking system .

    Much more than that, over 800B p. a., roughly 70~80B per mth.

    Initially US was prohibiting Jp Abe for attempting to depreciate Yen to solve it stagnant economy, as IMF Chief Lagarde criticized its beggar de neighbors. But once 2008 crisis hit, US immediately launched QE with no one complaint.

    Facing with many members bankruptcy like Grek & Spain, EU jumped in to QE out its crisis with exact same amount $800B pa, so did Jp happily join the feast to prop up its GDP growth for every quarters since, with negative interest. UK took opportunity to depreciate pound, with Brexit effect. Hence USD get to stay strong without hyper inflation by QE.

    China & others countries were left with the baby, a largely depreciated reserves esp their busket of Euro, Yen & Pounds, with no alternative but allowing these 4 suckers print fiat money from air without consequence.

    this excess money was mopped up by wall street and parked into the stock market to shore it up – this in effect also shored up the USD to ensure the its survival. Whatever excess liquidity that was not mopped up was forced upon FOREIGN BANKS to absorb.

    Not exactly all plough back to ws. Its flooding into whole world financial markets to shore up every single one, spooling properties speculation, spiking consumption with easy money & zero interest credits, whatsoever.

    The excess liquidity then flow back to boost WS by overseas investors, with artificial huge profits reaped by many WS listed corporates through this hyper QE inflating the world, and share buy back schemes.

    3) When china applied to get its RMB included into the basket of reserve currencies early in the 2000′s, the empire put all sorts of obstacles in its path. Things only started to go china’s way when they established the BRICS Bank and AIIB with such strong support (even from the empire’s obedient puppies) that the empire started to realize china could set up its own IMF or WB without the USD.

    Again this is not exactly. US continue to refuse China Yuan to be included as one of foreign reserves basket of IMF /WB with its veto(only US has that 25% voting right to veto hence monopoly power) even China is 2nd largest economy body. Eventually, EU, UK & Jp reduced their own weigh% to give China RMB some 11~15%?, with Euro reducing most. USD kept its foreign reserved % unchanged.

    Brics is rendered useless by US subverting Brazil Prez Duma, & India Modi cohort. AIIB loan is USD based, not Yuan, unlike Jp Asia Bank using Yen. Its a way to fund BRI, with China excess USD reserve & allow global participation to share BRI bonus, hence less resistance.

    No weapons systems, no matter how brilliant the war strategy is, will be enough to scare the demons in washington and london more than the collapse of the USD.

    The true demon or deep state is this FED private owners, that print US moneys and lend it to US Gov for a interest, by having US gov issuing treasury & debts. The whole tax collection is then use to pay this FED unsustainable debt interest & more borrowing with budget deficit.

    USD is the tool of hedgmon to control the world under one gov(FED), with USM as a Hitman to bulldozer whoever blocking its way like Saddam(selling oil in Euro) & Gaddafi(Gold back African $). Controlling of ME oil supply & every commodity trading in USD are the foundation stone. The rest are side benefits come along in numerous invasions & subversion.

    Hence the core strategy of China – Russia alliance is De-dollarization, uprooting the evil empire sole source of life. Once done, military & everything collapse automatically by domino effect, no need fire a single bullet risking nuke war.

    Petrol dollar is only a starter, main course has now started, this month China will roll out commodity trading platform in gold backed Yuan, starting from Iron ore. That already rattle the NY-LD controlled commodity trading futures, Oz responded by slashing iron ore price 1/3. This is real huge market, from raw materials, agri, energy to every tradings.

    More to come when 2025 Made by China roll out in phases, as China plans to be more self sufficient in high tech with some innovation surpassing US, such as reducing semiconductor import reliance over 200B (worth more than whole China energy import 150B).

    Swift equivalent Global Yuan based transaction system is up, Cashless payment systems, China credit/debit cards system, financial tools, etc all will globalize to provide alternative for less USD dependent.

    When C919 narrow body jet get to fly commercially, Boeing will get a huge slash starting from China domestic market, world largest, and ripple globally with competitive price as alternative. Once C929 big body plane roll out, its end of Boeing monopoly with Airbus. So are car industry, ship, transport, infrastructure, power, nuclear, aerospace, marine, … all big trading transactions are sliding towards Yuan, esp if China come out with strong products like its ZTE/Huawei telcom.

    Prez Xi declaration of expedited opening up of China market for investments & finance in Baao will turbo boost the de-dollarization process, sucking in lot of liquidity, hence denying US Fed plan to reel in liquidity by interest hiking & stopping QE gradually.

    Without foreign funds inflow to take over the hot potatoes of WS overpriced stocks & property bubbles, catastrophe awaiting once USD musical chair music stop with Uncle Scam finding no empty chair.

    Uncle Scam is panicked now looking to glue itself a perm chair, with a trade war threat it can ill afford, hence 4 trade/treasury secretaries are despatched to China for talk uninvited. A unprecedented move by US in any trade war history to take initiative for compromise, a sign of deep weakness.

    Chinese trade team is of proven experienced technocrats, vs inexperienced US junior banker Muching team hamstrung by a property dev conman Trumps, hoping his tweeting praise of Prez Xi & Taiwan/NK ransoms could get him a nice deal.

    • Replies: @m___
  124. t-gordon says:
    @The Scalpel

    Well Scalpel, this has been the condition of soldiery for as long as “soldiering” has been around. I served in Afghanistan and would beg to differ with your concretely convinced blanket declaration that every service member is an amoral killer. To an extent this is true, we’re trained to kill and obey orders, but as Jeff7450 points out, there’s more nuance to us than your comment warrants. While military complexes may be tools for less than noble purposes, I’m wondering how you’d cope living in a world without them?

    • Replies: @anonymous
    , @manorchurch
    , @Rurik
  125. America has been hijacked.

    This article is Classic Disinformation, meaning it’s Truths mixed with Half-Truths compiled in such a way as to persuade you to draw the wrong Conclusion. That Final Statement I quoted presented to the Commentariat at this Venue says without saying it, that America, unlike Expansionist Revanchist China & Russia who will suck every last Dwindling Resource from the Earth before they relent, has been hijacked by The Jews, so support China & Russia against the Imperialist Jew-Controlled America. This coming from a Grizzled Alcoholic Veteran who once fought The Commies. It’s so Insanely Absurd, it Boggles the Mind. Yeah, Russia & China have your back. NOT!! Certainly no more than The Jews have your back except to put a knife in it. Chumps!!

    • Replies: @Herald
  126. @manorchurch

    Perhaps I should have phrased the query in more Hegelianesque terms. Perhaps “How can human society be brought to change into a form that approaches being ‘just’, law-abiding, observant of order and progress, but having characteristics that foster the continuing improvement of, say, the ‘human condition’?”

    Ah, Progress. Progress, as it’s customarily understood, necessarily means the Expansion of our Human Footprint, and that Footprint is a Boot on the Neck of Nature.

    We need to either redefine the word Progress or else stigmatize it in some way, because at this point, Human is a Super-Organism hellbent on entirely destroying its Habitat until it is no more.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
    , @m___
  127. anonymous[340] • Disclaimer says:
    @t-gordon

    “I served in Afghanistan..”

    Why? Seeing things as you do now, would you do so again?

  128. @Miro23

    Fair question – but depends what you mean by “tangle” . If tangle means all out war etc, then probably they do NOT want to tangle.
    But if tangle means:
    Strangle Russia economically.
    Destroy Putin – install pro-western government (ie: subservient to US / Western Capitalism…a
    21st C Yeltsin )
    And, ultimately, undermine the Russia-China alliance. Containment & future control of China itself is the grand prize… (although, free exploitation of Russia’s natural resources must be a close second.)

  129. @Bragadocious

    Actually millions of US citizens “ask” – willingly pay- for Mexican sourced narcotics.
    Furthermore, rich US citizens, the employers of labor, LOVE illegal or desperate immigrants from Mexico or where ever.

  130. One can certainly challenge military spending. One can valid complaints about waste, graft, insider trading, incompetence, cover-ups, misbehavior power and rank over just and moral decency,. one can challenge the failures of veterans care, over prescribing medication, misdiagnosis, psychological experimentation.

    One can decry the brutality of warfare and what it breeds, the death, destruction on body mind and soul, the war crimes against other militaries and civilians. There are certainly no shortages of tales of military and political blunders . . . and absolutely one can describe the horrors of nuclear and chemical warfare – the world has known them both and we live minute by minute with those potentials.

    But none of that changes the reality of human experience. And that experience says, that no nation can survive without a military defence provided by themselves, another or in conjunction with others. While the above article raises very significant issues, it does not rebut one simple truth, if you have something others want some of those others will violate the law, morality, their own self respect to risk life and limb to take it and the sovereignty of who you are means nothing to that end. In which case defending it will require a defense. Whether that defense is required in your home or your country. Of course it is possible, they just don’t know where the border is . .. best make it clearer.

    I simply have to admit that I am not Christ fully realized because my humanness prevents Christ being fully realized in me. Not only do we need a military, but we need a wall and immigration enforcement as well.

    And by all means let’s make the military m ore ethical, effective and efficient in doing it’s job of defense – a less Sordid affair.

  131. @Anon

    “This may have been true for a long time…it’s been hard for me to stop sailing on the river of DeNial.”

    Read “Young Goodman Brown”, by Nathaniel Hawthorne. It’s always been true, but that’s as much a statement about mankind as it is just about the USA.

    I don’t hold with the view of some here that the USA is exceptionally bad, just exceptionally successful, which is as much a result of the circumstances of place and time as anything. That this was a land of opportunity is more true than many understand.

  132. @Jeff77450

    @ jeff(number)-
    ahhh, authoritarian much ? ? ?
    .
    1. at least admitting we are playing a self-appointed role of world’s policeman, I would simply ask WHERE is that ‘duty’/responsibility mentioned in the constitution, bill of rights, declaration of independence, UN declaration of human rights, or any laws beyond the self-serving ‘treaties’ of Empire ? ? ? do tell…
    .
    2. *of course* it is unfair to label anyone/everyone who is associated with the killing machine of Empire as a mindless murdering stormtrooper… I mean, if you are morally opposed to killing brown people around the globe while you are killing brown people around the globe, well, that makes all the difference in the world… *snicker*
    .
    will no one think of all the moral and upstanding citizens who happened to be members of the mafia and are tarred with the same brush ? ? ? *sniffle*
    .
    will no one think of all the ethical and kind SS officers whose reputations were sullied by association ? ? ? *wahhh*
    .
    3. you mean we don’t have ENOUGH bases jammed up EVERYONE’s ass ? we don’t spend ENOUGH on the military ? the problem is we just aren’t really trying hard ENOUGH ? ? ?
    you are a nutty fruit-bar…

  133. @jilles dykstra

    “I must object.
    I know a few USA veterans, Korea, Vietnam, none of them was a killer.
    They believed the fairy tales used to send them in faraway countries ‘to defend democracy’.
    They now are disillusioned.”

    That excuse didn’t work for the (Charlie) Manson family.

  134. Totally agree. If anyone wants to see who and how this state of continues war came about, read THE PROTOCOLS OF ZION and THE COMMITTEE OF 300 book by John Coleman and the 10 planks of the communist manifesto and Orwells 1984 , America is Oceania.

    This is what happens when zionists take over a country, America has been stolen from we the people by the zionists.

  135. And, of course, don’t forget, because you’d be remiss to, The Turner Diaries and Mein Kampf.

    • Replies: @Wally
  136. The usual pro-Putin propaganda. “Crimea went back irrevocably to Russia. East Ukraine does the same”. Nothing is irrevocable in history. Just compare a map of Germany in 1914 with the current map. The very fact that Mr Reed is being so categoric indicates that he doesn’t really believe his own argument and seems to increasingly afraid that Trump will sooner or later have to confront Putin.

  137. @t-gordon

    While military complexes may be tools for less than noble purposes, I’m wondering how you’d cope living in a world without them?

    Me? Just fine. Everybody else but the scoundrels holding us up for money? Just fine. Been there, dude. 1968. The notion that the USA needs an MI-complex is pure undiluted horseshit. Go peddle your mud-pies to some other bunch of suckers.

    • Replies: @t-gordon
  138. @Cold N. Holefield

    Ah, Progress. Progress, as it’s customarily understood, necessarily means the Expansion of our Human Footprint, and that Footprint is a Boot on the Neck of Nature.

    Fuck off, asshole. You’re Ignored.

  139. SteveM says:
    @The Scalpel

    Simply mouthing platitudes does not make things so.

    Exactly. The latest U.S. attack on Syria was almost certainly based on a False Flag event signed off by Trump, his “Generals” and Neocon Hacks (Bolton, Pompeo, et al.) In other words, they were prepared to slaughter human beings based on a lie.

    Fortunately, no one was killed. But the next time the cruise missile button pushers may have blood on their hands. Along with the drone Drones who slaughter wedding parties in Yemen.

    The Generals commit war crimes explicitly. People under their command are guilty by association. But they have free will and the opportunity to get out and get real jobs that provide real value to their fellow Americans.

    P.S. And the Washington war-mongers wonder where all of these PTSD cases are coming from.

  140. SMK says: • Website
    @Bragadocious

    Yes, the troops sent to Iraq and Afghanistan to fight and die and kill myriads of civilians -our heroic “fighting men (and WOMEN) who are ” protecting our freedoms”- could have been used to protect our borders by stopping the invasion of millions of Mestizos and pure Amerindians from Mexico and Central America and could now be used to round up and deport the 20-30 million illegal aliens (according to Ann Coulter) now living in the U.S.

    The military is also an agent of feminism and “diversity” and “multiculturalism.”

    • Agree: Stonehands
  141. Mark Presco says: • Website

    While I agree with some of Fred’s points, he is incorrect when he says Americans don’t benefit from it. Almost all expenditures provide great jobs for Americans. From scientists to engineers to soldiers. My own stint in aerospace was the best education I ever received, learning digital design.

    Accuse me of taking corporate welfare if you like. Lockheed was probably awarded the F-35 contract over Boeing in order to keep its workforce employed.

    The military does do much of what it is intended to do, but now that the cold war is over I would prefer it focus on homeland security.

    Currently the military is being misused in order to try to save Americans from the collapse of the ponzi scheme that is the US dollar.

    https://steemit.com/petrodollar/@freemarketcap/the-us-is-at-war-with-iraq-libya-syria-iran-russia-all-to-protect-the-petrodollar

    • Replies: @SteveM
    , @prusmc
  142. m___ says:
    @animalogic

    Such world influence + domestic Oligarchy = ever increasing concentration of wealth & power. This is the raison d’etre of ALL Elites

    What is going on is indeed infighting within the global 00.01 percent, who gets what. Some Chinese and Russian powermongers and their clients that were locally successful understood the game to the point where they are serious competition. US based elites dominating the world by themselves is over. Hence the idiocy of the dollar.

    Let’s pray that the elites while infighting do not forget to address some of the real problems that face them.

    As for us despicables, “gens de rien” were are spam. Slaving in the middle classes can be considered the highest of earthly ambitions. It’s one back to God and the promise of afterlife. Consuming, the global sedative, is no longer much more then corn syrup and palm oil cookies. We better take on being vegetarians, as was suggested, so we can shift the burden of pumping Co2, the parts per million that cattle does, in to our lifebulb ourselves. If we misunderstood your to the point comment, we will eat our words(not grass).

  143. SteveM says:
    @Mark Presco

    While I agree with some of Fred’s points, he is incorrect when he says Americans don’t benefit from it. Almost all expenditures provide great jobs for Americans.

    Without considering the alternative opportunities to use the money, that is a bogus, species argument.

    Those same Americans could have been doing the same kinds of work associated with producing real products and services that provide real value to Americans beyond those parasitically attached to the MIC.

    Throwing Hundreds of Billions at hyper-boondoggle weapons systems like the F-35, F-22, Littoral Combat Ship (LCS), Zumwalt Class Destroyer, Army Future Combat System, etc., etc., etc., is the high tech equivalent of using tax dollars to have people dig holes and then fill them back in.

    P.S. But at least nobody get needlessly slaughtered from wasteful hole digging…

    • Replies: @Mark Presco
    , @MarkinLA
  144. m___ says:
    @Cold N. Holefield

    destroying its Habitat until it is no more.

    Putin said something similar referring to nuclear retaliation, “what is Russian restraint to be considered, if there is no place for Russians in the future world.”

    This, the global elites being inside the experiment, must give us hope. Are they dumb enough to obliterate themselves, certainly. Do they have the physical courage to risk obliterating themselves probably not.

  145. Cnd says:
    @Jeff77450

    The so-called free world and the world will forget about you on the third day.

  146. Fred, your hatred of our national strategy and policy makers is boiling over. There is no need to revert to Vietnam era “baby killer” criticisms.

    The mission of the DoD is simple – fight and win the nations wars. The problem is that the nation can’t decide on a coherent national strategy and thus we find ourselves bogged down all over, rather than focusing only on those places and conflicts in our national interest.

    Whether you want to admit it to yourself or not, we are entering a multipolar world. Historically, this is when the world is most at risk of a major conflict. China is a rising power trying to remake the world order to their preference; the United States is the dominant power, preferring the status quo. When, and if, war comes, I’d rather have a force ready to go immediately, rather than taking months or years to return to readiness. Great Britain at the outbreak of WWII is a good example of what happens when you’re not prepared.

    This doesn’t mean blank checks for the military, but it does require a Congress and POTUS who clearly articulate their national strategy and then man/equip their military to meet that strategy.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @MarkinLA
    , @Harold Smith
  147. Rurik says:
    @t-gordon

    While military complexes may be tools for less than noble purposes, I’m wondering how you’d cope living in a world without them?

    looks like Pat Tillman was coping just fine

    until Israel gave us our ‘new Pearl Harbor-like event’ and sent him to kill innocents based on lies

    until he figured out is was all a lie, and they shot him with three bullets to the forehead at close range

    and then of course lied about it.

    Such is the Military Industrial Complex we all count on to keep us all safe.

    http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/dyinginafghanistan.php#axzz5EMdvVaK3

    • Replies: @t-gordon
  148. “Washington desperately needs to stop the rollback of American power, stop the erosion of the dollar…”

    Stop the erosion of the dollar??????

    You mean, we may actually have to start making stuff for own consumption in our own internal market and stop relying on Chinese coolies to make that junk for us????

    What kind of wild-eyed kook are you?

  149. Mark Presco says: • Website
    @SteveM

    First of all it is not a specious argument. It is 100% true as stated. Your value judgment is specious because it assumes that we need no military. The primary power that the Constitution gives the federal government is to provide for the common defense. My stint in aerospace was during the cold war when the vast majority of Americans deemed this to be self evident.

    Secondly, there is ample evidence in my comment to show that I somewhat agree with you. The welfare/warfare spending is way out of control and will result in an economic collapse. Read the link I provided.

  150. prusmc says: • Website
    @Mark Presco

    Lockheed knew how to play the game and it paid off big time. Components for the F35 are produced in 47 of the 57 states and who knows how many of the 435 Congessional districts. Other than Silicon valley and its’ subsidiaries in Triangle Park, Cambridge, and such, the only really paying non-government jobs in the USE A are in the defense industry.

  151. Rurik says:
    @LTDanKaffey

    bogged down all over, rather than focusing only on those places and conflicts in (((our))) national interest.

    fixed it for ya ;)

    • Agree: mark green
  152. @Realist

    …he said, hoping others wouldn’t note that his and similar comments are 100% hand wringing.

    Country needs solutions? Genius! How do you come up with this stuff? Get DJT on the horn. From the humble Unz zine emerges the answer: Solutions

    Know what? Screw DJT; get me Monty Python, whose ancient sketch you ripped off.

    Fred stated it clearly. No solution. But he’s the ass.

    • Replies: @Realist
  153. MarkinLA says:
    @SteveM

    Those same Americans could have been doing the same kinds of work associated with producing real products and services that provide real value to Americans beyond those parasitically attached to the MIC.

    This isn’t entirely true because of the imagined urgency of defense. The military was really pushing certain areas of imaging and electronics that would never have been more than an afterthought to the private sector whos main concern is maximizing profitability.

    Hughes Aircraft Company’s Santa Barbara Research center was a world leader in focal plane array research. However, you are right in that the money spent is out of all proportion to what the civilian sector gets out of it.

  154. MarkinLA says:
    @LTDanKaffey

    15 minutes after a war starts between major powers, it goes nuclear. What use will all those aircraft carriers be?

    • Replies: @LTDanKaffey
    , @Wally
    , @Herald
  155. L.K says:
    @Twodees Partain

    It’s really just a tactic these trolls use… several of them do it…

    What these assholes fear is that more people wake up, unplug from the matrix… this can only be achieved if a certain number of people get informed.

    The deep state has full control of corporate media but clearly this ain’t enough as we can see with the ever increasing censorship over social media, youtube channels being constantly taken down, facebook and twitter accounts closed for posting the “wrong” type of information, threats to shut down Russian or Iranian media, i.e. different povs, etc.

  156. augusto says: • Website
    @Bragadocious

    No, dear, wants it to cut the budget to one third or one fourth.
    Of course the secretive bucks slipped to the three letter gangs to zero)
    Just think that one day, by a divine inspired Miracle the washington deep state announces in NBC
    “Up from tomorrow we will withdraw from Guantanamo and return it to the cubans. Because we don´t the hell need it for military, political or economical or anything whatsoever”
    The very next morning the lap dogs in Downing St do the same: Well, upon this sudden decision from our master across the ocean…, we starting midnight today are quitting Gibraltar completely to the Spanish”
    How about it?
    No earthquake, no fears, just bursts of joy everywhere.
    I can assure you that the next morning the world would be much more peaceful and safer.

  157. @LTDanKaffey

    “Fred, your hatred of our national strategy and policy makers is boiling over. There is no need to revert to Vietnam era ‘baby killer’ criticisms.”

    He’s merely telling the truth.

    “The mission of the DoD is simple – fight and win the nations wars.”

    I think not. Does “the nation” have a “war” in Syria? Not a legal, moral or constitutionally legitimate one. So why is the U.S. military illegally, immorally and unconstitutionally in Syria?

    “The problem is that the nation can’t decide on a coherent national strategy and thus we find ourselves bogged down all over, rather than focusing only on those places and conflicts in our national interest.”

    Not quite; rather, the problem is that our rulers are Satanic, demon-possessed madmen bent on world-domination and control at any cost.

    “Whether you want to admit it to yourself or not, we are entering a multipolar world.”

    Not if the “U.S. government” has its way we aren’t.

    “Historically, this is when the world is most at risk of a major conflict.”

    Historically, the world is most at risk of a major conflict when jewsh-supremacist madmen control governments of major powers.

    “China is a rising power trying to remake the world order to their preference;”

    China is a rising power seeking to defend itself and its legitimate interests from the Satanic, messianic, judeo-communist “New World Order”, as is Russia.

    “…the United States is the dominant power, preferring the status quo.”

    Not quite. The “status quo” will never suffice since evil is never satisfied. The “United States” apparently seeks to end the concept of national sovereignty by way of the forcible imposition of the Satanic, messianic, judeo-communist “New World Order” on the whole planet, ultimately including Russia and China.

    “When, and if, war comes, I’d rather have a force ready to go immediately, rather than taking months or years to return to readiness.”

    You’d be better off seeking spiritual enlightenment and doing your own moral reasoning rather than defer to the Satanic state.

  158. @MarkinLA

    Nukes won’t start flying between major powers until one or the other is backed into a corner.

    Until that happens, those carriers will be wreaking havoc on China’s supply lines.

  159. Wally says:
    @Cold N. Holefield

    What about Mein Kampf is worthy of mention here?

    Which ‘translation’ do you refer to?

    http://www.codoh.com

  160. Wally says:
    @MarkinLA

    I certainly agree.

    I can’t think of a dumber, bigger, more easily hit target than the ultimate sitting duck, aka: an aircraft carrier.

    Sure, they looked impressive …. in WWII.

    But now the Chinese, Russians, Iranians, etc. could simply blast them to smithereens in minutes.

  161. CanSpeccy says: • Website

    Fred makes some good points, but entirely misses the underlying geopolitical consideration that keeps the US elites behind the MIC and its brutal activities abroad. That consideration is the goal of global empire. In relation to that objective, the wars since 9/11 make perfectly good sense, quite apart from the resultant boost to defense industry profits and the careers of ambitious soldiers.

    To achieve George H.W. Bush’s “New World Order”, the Empire needs control of Eurasia, aka the World Island, and Afghanistan offered the most easily gained foothold. The eventual objective is the break-up of Russia and the advance of NATO to the borders of China: hence the Western encroachment in the Ukraine, and NATO’s aggressive positioning of missiles, tanks and troops on the borders of Russia.

    As part of this unfolding strategy, the Empire needs control of the global energy supply. Thus bringing Iraq, Libya, and now Syria into the fold with Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States and Israel was a key part of the program. Next stop Tehran. Once Iran and Russia are down, we’ll see whether the Chinese are ready to submit.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  162. Herald says:
    @Jeff77450

    Through out the the time Jeff77450 was in service America never fought a just war, and there was much worse to come shortly thereafter. America is not the world’s policeman, this is just an overused lie, which is simply cover for its imperial ambitions and in some instances is also a way of giving aid to its land hungry chum in the Middle East.

  163. @LTDanKaffey

    Until that happens, those carriers will be wreaking havoc on China’s supply lines.

    LMFAO. Supply lines? To where? LOL. Border defense? Shee-it. You know about as much about military logistics as my Aunt Tillie. You’re BULLSHITTING, sport. Supply lines … Jesus H. Christ! What? We’re going to invade China? What? China is going to invade the USA? You’re an idiot.

    The US military is designed to provide support for Israel’s adventures in the MidEast, and to be destroyed on the ground in Europe, in the event some dumbass like you decides to attack Russia. Oh, yeah, and to be wiped out by North Korea.

    All military scenarios rely upon nuclear war for final backup. It’s all money being stolen from the producers, profiteered by the Israelis and MI-complex, and shot to the four winds in general. The military is corrupt, right down to its last little toenail. Useless, slothful scoundrels soaking in a bathtub of champagne, provided by people who actually work for a living.

    • Replies: @Stonehands
    , @another fred
  164. SteveM says:
    @LTDanKaffey

    Until that happens, those carriers will be wreaking havoc on China’s supply lines.

    The U.S. imports over $500 Billion in goods from China. The U.S. also educates over 300,000 Chinese nationals a year.

    If “those carriers” wreak havoc on China’s supply lines and China closes the store and calls its nationals home, the U.S. economy would be paralyzed. U.S. colleges, universities and prep schools dependent to Chinese revenue would go Ape Sh*t.

    China with its BRI and AIIB initiatives and Russia with its EAEU initiative are putting a pan-Eurasian economic architecture in place. That architecture will be self-sufficient in resources and technology capabilities. Russia is already the world’s leading exporter of wheat. It can also be China’s source for grains and pork. China and Russia are planning a future decoupled from the Global Cop Gorilla. The U.S. will be largely shut out because it’s more trouble than it’s worth.

    Note that the Neocon Nutjobs Bolton, Pompeo and Haley along with Trump’s too-much-war-is-never-enough “Generals” are the faces of U.S. foreign policy. Would you want to do business with those clowns?

    If the U.S. continues on its death-spiral, war-monger path, it will be a lot worse for Americans living in a hollowed-out, Ponzi scheme economy than for the Russians or Chinese.

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  165. Herald says:
    @MarkinLA

    In that 15 minutes they will be sitting duck targets for enemy missiles. Good sport while it lasts.

  166. @Bragadocious

    Resorting to koprolalia pretty much proves that you know you are lying.

    There is a huge demand for illegal workers, otherwise they would not bother coming.

    Throw a few dozen employers into jail (not too few) – where they rightly belong – and you’ll see a miraculous drop in illegal immigration.

    I’m aware it’s easier to use vulgar language.

    Btw.: the mass import of illegal workers serves as a rather obvious camouflage for the drug dealers: stop importing illegal workers and make drug dealer’s lives a tiny bit more complicated. What’s not to like? (Again, being vulgar is easier, I know)

  167. MEFOBILLS says:
    @Anon

    In the 50′s, 60′s, Jews were not in complete control yet, so they created dissension.

    Negroes as agents, feminism, cultural communism, are all Jewish led movements.

    The new ((international)) elite now running the U.S. still has their communist playbook and will put it out to keep the population divided, but on critical matters there is a deafening silence.

    The U.S. military SERVES international and globalist machinations. Right sizing the U.S. military would have it serving true U.S. interests, which means improving plight of average americans, not the plutocratic elites.

  168. @LTDanKaffey

    Great.

    So China’s supply lines will be completely destroyed by the time the first ICBM’s MIRVs hit whatever they are supposed to hit.

    That knowledge gives me much needed assurance.

  169. Herald says:
    @Cold N. Holefield

    So you thought you would try your hand at disinformation, with the odd limited hangout thrown in for good measure. Nice try.

  170. …”The last time it did so was in 1945. “…
    Wrong! Much the same then as before and after..
    To make thel long Hi.story short, as from Alamo to Douma, like Fedro’s LupUS et Agnus. See https://is.gd/QEWtzC

  171. peterAUS says:
    @CanSpeccy

    Agree with all, except one thing:

    …. Once Iran and Russia are down….

    Not so sure about the later.
    The Question is: would the siloviki fold?

    My take: if the push is done and managed properly I feel they will.
    The Catch is, that has to be done……right. The current leadership in West,IMHO, is not capable of that.

    Bottom line, they are very likely to make a mistake on that push.
    A mistake on that level could very easily escalate into nuclear exchange.
    From first nukes to M.A.D is an easy slip.

    The reset.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  172. MarkinLA says:
    @LTDanKaffey

    OK 30 minutes. The minute a carrier battle group is sunk or an Army Corps is obliterated by a salvo of missile, there will be calls to fire up the tactical nukes then all bets are off.

  173. renfro says:
    @Si1ver1ock

    I would to say unbelievable ..but its completely believable .

    Thanks for link.

  174. @Byrresheim

    BRAGADOGA EH! How sweet!

    I wonder how the old american indigenous felt when Bragadoga’s European ancestors ran over them, killing, plundering, spreading the vast compendium of horrific European diseases that took no prisoners?

    Imagine them then, dreaming that these horrid immigrants would go away or be stopped in some way, as they were ravaged by small pox, chicken pox, plague, diptheria, cholera…. you name it.

    how I wish for the this new Mexican wave to surge, take back Mexican lands. and hope Bragadoga’s house is the first one swallowed up. justice would that not be?

    Bragadoga can always go back to Europe..or become a Mexican citizen..an immigrant.. learn the ways of Montezuma and his folk. it could be worse..he could end up in New York

    hahahahaha

  175. renfro says:

    I agree with most of Fred for a change except for two things….its not All, as in every single member of the military…and there is need for Defense….in the highly improbable very very unlikely event actual US soil is threatened.

    But this….” America has been hijacked.”…..is the crux of the US madness .

    So Fred needs to devote his writing to attacking the hijackers….the Jews and Neocons.

    • Replies: @Cloak And Dagger
  176. MarkinLA says:
    @SteveM

    If “those carriers” wreak havoc on China’s supply lines and China closes the store and calls its nationals home, the U.S. economy would be paralyzed. U.S. colleges, universities and prep schools dependent to Chinese revenue would go Ape Sh*t.

    Not sure this applies to a war between major powers. For the 30 minutes or so that go by before the first nuclear weapon explodes, we will be in a wartime economy, and like WWII, won’t be worrying about cheap TVs.

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  177. Realist says:
    @schnellandine

    …he said, hoping others wouldn’t note that his and similar comments are 100% hand wringing.

    At least I am calling for solutions…..more than the vast majority do.

    Know what? Screw DJT; get me Monty Python, whose ancient sketch you ripped off.

    Monty Python is not a real person.

    I see you don’t have a solution either.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  178. Art says:

    Kudos – another groundbreaking article on UR. This is the first article that I have seen that openly attacks the US military. Congratulations!

    Would anyone of sound mind, give 800,000,000,000 dollars to these people who control the lot of the world? Gina Haspel, Nikki Haley, Mike Pompeo, Mad Dog Mattis, and John Bolton.

    Miss Torcher, callous ambitious politician, failed WestPoint grad, take no prisoners general, and a signer of the PNAC. Rogues all. They all champion Israel. They all champion war. They have the fate of the world in their hands. WHY?

    These people are part of the all controlling US Security State (SS). Big Jews, J-MSM, and the MIC fill out the SS. The US SS is the bane of current day humanity. It could not be more clear – the SS is the enemy of “Peace.”

    This is the Twenty First Century – there is no need for war – we all know each other – there is nothing hidden – the world’s people are not anxious for conquest (only Jews). People want trade, prosperity, and peace – not war.

    America’s natural inclination is to reduce the military after a war. That is our history – we must do it again. Only the Jews and their money are in our way.

    Think peace — Art

    p.s. Dam the SS – dump it!

  179. t-gordon says:
    @manorchurch

    Could “we” have done without a MI-complex in 1775? By 1865 might had been proven right. Power abhors a vacuum is a cliche, but everything has a beginning. I agree that the scope of U.S. forces has become hijacked by scoundrels, still I can only cop to being a dumb shit doing a job as opposed to an “amoral killer”. It beat the hell out of factory work. I’ll definitely cop to that point of view. If I think to hard on it, I’d be tempted to think that horseshit, mud-pies, bullshit and an entire nation are the only things that a dollar buys anymore. Shucks.

  180. t-gordon says:
    @Rurik

    A very tired “Hooah!”

  181. peterAUS says:
    @Realist

    At least I am calling for solutions…..more than the vast majority do.

    Well, that’s your mistake.

    The vast majority isn’t here, or anywhere, blabbing, to find a solution. They do all that for…….different……..reasons. Let’s not go there.

    And, by making such questions you also point to that fact. A big “NO” in a polite society (not that this one is polite but still the same principle).

    Now, on a positive side, by asking such questions you do help. People can focus their frustration on you and do that release. The “fix”.

    It’s up to you do you want to provide that service here.

    • Replies: @Stonehands
  182. slorter says:
    @Quartermaster

    Reading is a wonderful thing but not from the corporate mainstream, You know the ones that feed the military industrial complex!

  183. @kauchai

    I think you had better renew your Vietnam history card —–

    The US did not inherit a gem for empire — and there was no hand off. In fact the French were a tad miffed that we barely supported their colonial gem — because we preferred states chart their own course.

    Carbon copy — not.

    • Replies: @kauchai
    , @Rurik
  184. kauchai says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    ” The US did not inherit a gem for empire..”

    I never said the empire “inherited” vietnam. What i said was the french handed over the fight with the vietcong to the empire pretty much after their humiliating defeat at Dien Bien Phu in 1954.

    “…because we preferred states chart their own course.”

    If that is the case, why would there be a need to pour 20,000 marines into korea in september 1945? Why was there a need to create the Gulf of Tonkin incident in 1964? If the empire is so altruistic, it would be helping these states to stand on their own feet by working thru the UN and not unilaterally. Why invade iraq in 2003 without UN approval? Why waged a war against the independence fighters of the phillippines between 1898-1903?

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  185. Good Lord! Didn’t Fred write the same screed a few months back? Boring worthless drivel. The old hipster has slipped into senility.

    • Replies: @Antiwar7
  186. @kauchai

    I appreciate your clarification — No the french did not hand over anything. The King and the civilian government requested help and they got it.

    1. troops — to defend S. Korea

    2. gulf of Tonkin –the audio tapes regarding the gulf of Tonkin are readily available — you might want to listen to them. And wile the Tonkin incident is much debated, It didn’t natter the US was committed to defending S. Vietnam.

    3. That was the point of Vietnam — to defend a state desiring to chart its own course.

    4. It might interest you to know

    a. the Korean fight was a UN operation and so sanctioned

    b. North Vietnam violated every single peace agreement to force communist rule
    on S. Vietnam.

    And while the UN did not oversea the defense of S. Vietnam — we did have a
    small allied help.

    • Replies: @kauchai
  187. If the South Korean Foreign minister gives credit to Pres Trump — so be it

    https://davidharrisjr.com/politics/south-korea-credits-trump-with-end-of-korean-war/

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  188. @EliteCommInc.

    Though I suspect there’s more polite diplomacy here than meets the eye.

  189. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @peterAUS

    Agree with all, except one thing:

    …. Once Iran and Russia are down….

    Not so sure about the later.

    No, me neither.

    After more than a thousand years of national existence, why would the Russkies roll over for the US of A, a brash, uncouth latecomer to the world scene?

    True, every nation has its traitors — in the West, most of the ruling elite, it seems: people like Justin Trudeau, who treat nationalism with greater contempt than they probably feel for coprophagia.

    Perhaps Russia’s hard boys are are no better, but one hopes not.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  190. @peterAUS

    Although the dogs bark, the caravan rolls on…

  191. kauchai says:
    @Harold Smith

    Lets get logical for a few brief seconds.

    Wars, for what they are worth, are fought for very concrete and material reasons. No matter how thick the ideology, how muddled the reasoning, how mad the leader, how vicious the spin, there were always property and treasure to be gained and divvy up by the contending parties.

    Saddam was an empire ally in the iran-iraq war. The empire and its poodles sold him a lot of weapons including chemical and biological ones ($$$$). The war with iran had hardly ended when saddam got the “itch” to invade kuwait. By doing so, he had stepped on the empire’s nerve and one of their mid-east profit centers ($$$$). And he wasn’t shy of wanting to be the sultan of the middle-east too ($$$$).

    If what you said is correct, why wasn’t he eliminated in the kuwait war, after all, he was already defeated and DEFENSELESS at the time. But Bush Sr, let him live, WHY?

    After the kuwait defeat, saddam with his oversized ego had to do something, otherwise he would be overthrown by his own generals in very much the same fashion that he himself came to power. He looked around him and discovered that he doesn’t have much of a choice as to weapons to get back at the empire. The only quick fix he could find was the USD. He knew this would get the empire’s attention for why else would he do this, after all he needed the money to refill his treasury after the kuwait disaster. The only recourse at the time was the EURO.

    If the empire just sit on its hunches, the rest of the oil exporting countries (maybe even Saudi Arabia) will ditch the USD. Pretty soon, the entire world may junk the USD and setup their own currency swaps or established regional block currencies to settle their own trade. The USD will be reduced to junk status, just like any other country’s currency. When this happens, there is no impetus for central banks all over the world to hold excessive USD anymore. The net result is, the empire’s global hegemony crumbles like sand castles.

    [ Currencies are not "money" in the actual sense. A currency retain its value only because there is a sovereign nation behind it. And a currency gain in value when there is increase demand for it in relation to other currencies. How does one generate demand for one's currency? By making sure that it is in use at all times for all sorts of trade exchanges all over the world. How does one ensure that other INDEPENDENT and SOVEREIGN countries only use one's own currency for their external trades? By establishing MONOPOLY blocks in trade; i.e. oil, precious metals, other minerals, capital flows, food, medicines, etc. The very items that are the lifeblood of the human race to exist.

    This will eventually lead to countries hoarding that ONE currency in order to ensure the smooth flow of trade with their external partners. Hence, the birth of the "reserve" status of a currency. This affords the country that owns the "reserve" status to print or create "money" at will. The net effect is, the country can wreck havoc whenever the itch strikes. It simply prints more "paper" as payments without having to work and toil like others. After all, it costs NOTHING to do so, or so it seems. This includes waging wars in remote corners of the world to maintain its hegemony and by extension the "reserve" status of its currency.]

    By now, the alert observer would have come to the conclusion that the above is really a very fragile structure. The party that owns the over arching currency will defend it to the death with all sorts of pretext. Democracy and human rights being the prevalent favourite for now.

    I rest my case.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
    , @m___
    , @Harold Smith
  192. peterAUS says:
    @CanSpeccy

    ….why would the Russkies roll over….

    When you phrase that way, they wouldn’t.

    But, if we say “why would Russian siloviki give up confronting The Empire” then it doesn’t sound so far fetched.
    For the similar reason, perhaps, they didn’t go hard into Ukraine. Or retaliated against Turks and Americans, let alone Israelis in Syria. Why they didn’t go all the way in Georgia. Etc.
    Calculation. “Can I win?”. “What is there for me”? Etc.

    You appear not to be fond of elites.
    I guess that we could agree that the current elites anywhere are first and foremost loyal to themselves and then, way down, to their own peoples.
    So, if siloviki believe that cutting a deal would benefit them, I feel they would go for it.
    Or course, after Milosevic (and the rest but he was the closest, obviously), it’s hard to believe in any deal coming from West.

    So, here we are.

    • Replies: @CanSpeccy
  193. peterAUS says:
    @kauchai

    Wars, for what they are worth, are fought for very concrete and material reasons. No matter how thick the ideology, how muddled the reasoning, how mad the leader, how vicious the spin, there were always property and treasure to be gained and divvy up by the contending parties.

    True, but there is much more there.

    You explain it in rational terms and those are definitely part of it.

    I believe you miss the emotional, irrational part of it, especially when lower strata of society is concerned.

    Analogy is a street thug. Educated and polite people believe his violence and theft are about material posession. Of course that’s the big part of it. But, and a big but, there is that emotional, irrational push. Uncomfortable area for nice people.

    The party that owns the over arching currency will defend it to the death with all sorts of pretext.

    Couldn’t agree more.

    Everybody is fond of saying that Iran, North Korea, Russia ..China…are fighting for their survival. I definitely believe that The Empire is doing the same.
    So, when people like to point that the former have advantage because they have much stronger motivation, well, obviously, I disagree.

    So, with the same motivation and the current allocation of power, resources etc….well…

    My two cents anyway.

  194. @peterAUS

    Now, on a positive side, by asking such questions you do help. People can focus their frustration on you and do that release. The “fix”.

    You are a defeatist. An appeaser.

    You use conceited concepts and a modulated tone as a type of fireworks attempting to drown out what eventually will be live shooting.

    Pete(Juden)Raus.

  195. m___ says:
    @kauchai

    The comment as a whole

    For serious readers, that look into the state of the world, this text should be pasted on the dining parlor wall. Even his majesty Trump, with all of his “small” business life experience, this was mal understood. The culprit is probably Bannon, way smarter then Trump, but somehow missing this cluster of comprehension. How in his right mind can one suggest to re-industrialize within one’s own borders, reduce military chaos mongering, the definitions of defeat. There was nothing left but to squeeze Trumps balls, discard his “advisers”, a pathway of action to which he responded very well. A status quo has occurred for now.

    Now did Hillary understand the essential pivot of “make believe” the US relies on? We do not know, it does not matter, from the presence of her public face, it is hard to suggest she did fully, certainly agreed fully to subscribe to the right channel. Now if the US would have been run by politicians, especially the latest of the ream of specimen, say starting Kennedy, the US would have been reduced to indigenous territory for a while.

  196. m___ says:
    @TT

    The whole of the comment concerning the Dollar as centric to international policies

    As a whole correct, better yet, hints to specifics. Are you an insider of sorts with a vengence? Let’s tell Ronny Unz to give you a one single column to start with. The idea behind it is the following: information, ideas, should be independent from “professional” journalists, who if they depend on their writing to churn out a continuous production of content, are trapped into butting their knowledge limit, and subscribing to editor directives, always identical to “herding” into ignorance the outliers within the crowds. Editing, publishing is always a middle-class outlet to the surplus of the overcrowded layer of just above average brains. As policemen, the military(very socialistic an organisation), middle layer of the justice system, “journalists” are the henchmen of the elites, mostly innocently, by genetic preposition, by a mix of incomprehension and a need to make a living. Too late to change attitudes by the time of pensioning.

    Nameless, but “real” individuals that source inside the establishment, or are completely out of it, hence Assange is the real definition in educating, inspiring, and eventually rousing here and there the outliers within the entity “gens de rien”, “deplorables”, as a first step to any alternative. Let’s tell Unz Ronny(does not sound Jewish?), to accept anonymous posts, not betray his sources, call ‘m whisleblowers, use adequate systemics, yes Wikileaks sort of, and the quality of argument to be read would surge.

    • Replies: @TT
  197. Boy that was unbelievable. A fred reed essay where one agrees to what he is saying to the T. Now that was really unexpected. A pleasant surprise indeed.

  198. m___ says:
    @peterAUS

    On what defines human condition,

    Our take,

    Specifically out in the open: human numbers globally. Any dataset with other factors show correlation is evident. The concept of engineering humanity contrary to herding locally is ill addressed. That is the pressure valve.

    The suggestion relates to a capitalistic idea though, that of quantity. If you can throttle a currency, then why not humanity’s numbers? Again the elites are pushing haphazardly, like medical doctors amputating and blood-letting not so long ago, they are still mostly blind on the concept. That risks to deaden any chance of survival of latter generations of their own.

    Is it realistic to pretend to be able to engineer humanity into restraint, and timely? Yes this could be done. Ethically.

    The equation stands: one person less is at least a fifty percent bigger impact per person standing then any kind of measure to improve human quality of life.

    Pushing ever bigger numbers to consumption, war or trade, upping speed of transactions, are roads to nowhere.

    • Replies: @peterAUS
  199. It’s safe to assume that anyone taking exceptions to the crux of this article resides somewhere within the Pentagon food chain.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  200. Rurik says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    because we preferred states chart their own course.

    is that why we’re still occupying Germany?

    is that why we overthrew the legitimate and democratically elected government of Iran and imposed a brutal quisling on that nation?

    is that why we aided and abated the genocide of the Palestinian people out of their ancient lands, because we wanted them to “chart their own course”?

    or, are the actions of the ZUS State Dept. and military the actions of a fiend?

    read this:

    https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

    Smedley Darlington Butler was a United States Marine Corps major general, the highest rank authorized at that time, and at the time of his death the most decorated Marine in U.S. history.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  201. @manorchurch

    We are the definition of bottom- rung, shit- tier disfunction.
    The modern tax slave is modeled on the slavery of the mines and mills, since then the ruses for concealing and maintaining the chains have been refined.
    The political hacks and Jewish stooges here at Unz would have you continue a lifetime of comfort and consumerism, self- gratification… self- indulgence.

    Let’s face the facts: first the rider loosens the reigns; then the horse bolts!

    No more Mr. nice Goy. Become familiar with the only kind of serfdom: the discipline and subordinating of your physical body. Put down the alcohol and get the cable box talmudvision OUT OF THE HOUSE. Your spiritual disposition also affects your future on the material plane.
    The world is more miraculous than depicted by science and religions. Only artists, believers and philosophers have any inkling of this.

    The individual should stay as free from the state as possible.

    Seek freedom in yourselves, not the collective.

    Self- discipline is the only kind of rule that suits the men against time.

  202. @kauchai

    “Lets get logical for a few brief seconds.”

    Okay let’s, but this will be my last comment on this subject.

    “Wars, for what they are worth, are fought for very concrete and material reasons.”

    In your opinion, that is.

    Let’s analyze this assertion by way of simple syllogistic reasoning:

    (1) Wars are plotted and carried out by human beings;
    (2) Human beings can be, and often are, irrational creatures.

    If you accept these premises, then you must accept the logical conclusion that “wars” can be, and and often are, irrational; that is to say, a reasonable person will not necessarily be able to identify some “very concrete and material reason” for war; certainly not for every war.

    “No matter how thick the ideology, how muddled the reasoning, how mad the leader, how vicious the spin, there were always property and treasure to be gained and divvy up by the contending parties.”

    In your opinion, that is. I would have to disagree; especially regarding the “always” qualifier.

    You seem to believe that you can always find some kind of simple, satisfying, “worldly” explanation for everything that happens (in matters involving the behavior of human beings). Perhaps this is why you cling so tenaciously to the petrodollar theory of Bush II’s war on Iraq?

    Consider an example to drive the point home: I believe many people would agree with me when I say that the U.S. government seems to want a war with Russia; or it is at least setting up the conditions where a war between Russia and the U.S. has become a very serious, continually increasing possibility.

    I further believe that many people would agree with me when I say that if a war between the U.S. and Russia were to happen, there is a very good chance it would quickly become a nuclear war.

    In light of this, please tell me what “very concrete and material reason” would cause the U.S. government to flirt with the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it? Is there a “very concrete and material reason” for a death wish?

    “If what you said is correct, why wasn’t he eliminated in the kuwait war, after all, he was already defeated and DEFENSELESS at the time. But Bush Sr, let him live, WHY?”

    If I recall correctly, the “government” (Bush I and his henchmen) claimed that they did not invade Iraq (to overthrow Saddam Hussein) because the “coalition” would’ve fallen apart and because it would’ve gone beyond the UN resolution they claimed to be acting pursuant to.

    So Bush et al. opted for plan B, the destruction of Iraq’s military capability and the destruction of Iraq’s civilian infrastructure (which went way beyond the UN resolution) coupled with genocidal sanctions, to try to foment a domestic coup against Saddam Hussein.

    “After the kuwait defeat, saddam with his oversized ego had to do something, otherwise he would be overthrown by his own generals in very much the same fashion that he himself came to power. He looked around him and discovered that he doesn’t have much of a choice as to weapons to get back at the empire. The only quick fix he could find was the USD.”

    Well first of all the euro wasn’t launched until 1999, eight years after the end of “Operation Desert Shield,” right?

    “He knew this would get the empire’s attention for why else would he do this, after all he needed the money to refill his treasury after the kuwait disaster. The only recourse at the time was the EURO.”

    Why else would he? Apparently you’re not aware of the genocidal sanctions that the U.S. government insisted on? Apparently you’re also not aware that Iraq actually lost money by switching to the euro. As a practical matter Saddam Hussein may have done it (and probably did do it) in a gambit to get the more sympathetic European countries to put pressure on the U.S. and UK to ease up on the sanctions.

    “If the empire just sit on its hunches, the rest of the oil exporting countries (maybe even Saudi Arabia) will ditch the USD. Pretty soon, the entire world may junk the USD and setup their own currency swaps or established regional block currencies to settle their own trade. The USD will be reduced to junk status, just like any other country’s currency. When this happens, there is no impetus for central banks all over the world to hold excessive USD anymore. The net result is, the empire’s global hegemony crumbles like sand castles.”

    The article I cited in my last comment already addressed this point; apparently not to your satisfaction? Okay, how about if I cite some other sources which make some other good points?

    “Consider that the very existence of two world class currencies implies and necessitates that world reserves will to varying degrees be held in both of them.Thus any such “threat” to the dollar would obviously have originated long before Iraq’s decision, in the European community’s long standing plans for its own currency, which are decades old. And yet we find no serious attempts to block the Euro, from any of seven U.S. Administrations – not a one. On the contrary they were encouraged, according to Mr. Prodi, the European Commission President in a recent Charlie Rose Interview. He remarked (in January/February 2003) that we could have stopped their Euro plans, ‘with just a word.’ Yet America did not lift a finger to stop the Euro. So much for the ‘monetary sky is falling’ because of the Euro argument.”

    http://www.monetary.org/was-the-iraqi-shift-to-euro-currency-to-real-reason-for-war/2010/12

    It’s somewhat frustrating to go through all these facts and various reasoned arguments and then just watch them bounce off of you like bullets bounce off superman.

  203. @Rurik

    1. Nothing prevents Germany from engaging her course despite US presence. Germany could at any time tell the US to remove its military presence.

    2. The Iranian coup was conducted by the Iranian elite and while the US supported a change — the CIA effort was to posters and flyers. The CIA did not even think they could pull it off. They did.

    3. Well, until Pres. trump most US presidents have pressed for a two state solution. And that debate is an ongoing discussion in the US. I think it is unfortunate that we have a polity that puts Israeli aspirations before those of the US citizens. Bizarre.

    4. There is nothing mindblowing about Gen Butler’s views of military weapons and good providers. There will always be those who profit from providing needed equipment/supplies. That has been the case since governments made purchases for bows and arrows.

    • Troll: L.K
  204. @Carroll Price

    That depends on what one considers the crux.

    Frankly, anyone suggesting we don’t need a military is walking on the the ropes of Utopian society —
    those ropes are really sewing threads.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  205. @MarkinLA

    All the pharaohs, globally, have invested a generations worth of infrastructure development in order to bring into place this technotronic surveillance state. There will be no dumping of the chess board via WMD’s.

    Oh, there will be proxy jockeying for dynastic guarantees and bigger slices of the pie- and awards and ribbons and medals for the patriotic lemming masses…..

    • Replies: @MarkinLA
  206. TT says:
    @m___

    As a whole correct, better yet, hints to specifics. Are you an insider of sorts with a vengence?

    Did you mean vengeance? Nothing to hold grudge, juz a retiree with free time to rant. Real insider won’t leak here, otherwise will dissappear in no time. May be WikiLeaks is safer. NSA tracked every electronic communication with its mammoth spying system & global 5eyes-lies (quote: ex-NSA technical Director who designed its tracking system).

    All my info are available in public domain, hence won’t add anything to CIA. China-Russia had planned all strategic moves for long time in anticipating every possible FUKUS reaction before rolling out. But they are likely surprised by India fast turning to FUKUS sepoy so obediently to spoil their Brics, Bri & SCO grand move.

    US do have think tanks capable to comprehend geopolitics clearly with sound strategies such as co-existing with China rise & Russia. But US been hijacked by TPTB, will only do for specific groups’ interest to the detriment of US & global welfare.

    The one who control US, control the world, Israelis & WS bankers know very well. Parasitic US is its own biggest enemy, not China or Russia.

    Don’t take anything here too seriously. Most will camouflage to hide real identity.

  207. Ram says:

    Training for the “profession” could start early in a child’s life as shown in this report.

    http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=169629

  208. peterAUS says:
    @m___

    Is it realistic to pretend to be able to engineer humanity into restraint, and timely? Yes this could be done. Ethically.

    Again, some questions remain. The same questions that have puzzled the best minds since the start of written history. Can’t say I’ve seen them resolved, anywhere, so far. That’s what hope is all about. Or religion. Or….whatever.

    WHO is to decide what to engineer in and what to engineer out?
    Based on which criteria? Whose criteria?
    What are those elements of our nature that would need to get engineered out and what are those to be engineered in?

    Let’s start from “who”? Self appointed? Elected. Appointed? Appointed by whom? Etc.

    Either way you cut it you’ll find yourself walking the full circle to Greek philosophers. And back.

    Let’s face it. The only problem we, really, have at the moment is M.A.D.
    Without that we would’ve “solved” all current problems using the same ….ahm…methods we used before.

    Overpopulaton? Simple. WW3.
    Looming economic crisis? Simple. WW3.
    Competing spiritual/ideological viewpoints. Same…..
    “Reorganizing” racial/ethnic/religious setup of a society. Same…..

    All roads lead to ….the BIG war.
    Except in this case it could be…..tricky.

    The conundrum.

  209. CanSpeccy says: • Website
    @peterAUS

    So, if siloviki believe that cutting a deal would benefit them, I feel they would go for it.

    Would they? With more than a thousand years of history behind you, would you, or anyone, be that lacking in pride?

    It’s possible, I suppose. The British elite, with a nation almost as old as Russia seem only too anxious to destroy their own people by suppressed reproduction and mass replacement immigration by people of an alien race and culture.

    But surely Russian have more balls, more pride, more will to live than to throw in the towel, for what? To join creeps like George Soros and FaceBook man as co-rulers (junior status) of the world.

    Nah, Putin’s question, “what use is a world if there is no Russia in it?” is a brilliant encapsulation of an idea, that will not die. ​

  210. @LK “Troll”

    There’s an enlightening and thought provoking response.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @manorchurch
  211. Rurik says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    thought provoking response.

    perhaps he figured that was all your post deserved, which is understandable

    2. The Iranian coup was conducted by the Iranian elite

    either you’re a liar or an imbecile

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  212. Anonymous[409] • Disclaimer says:

    1945? gimme a break, more like 1776.

  213. @Rurik

    laugh.

    Or maybe the documents concerning this affair have been released . But even before that the record has been layed out. It is not a if this is a new topic.

    The Iranian military establishment were the primary players in regime change.

    A lot of liberals and the Iranians like to throw this around to demonstrate the evils of the US. But even without the CIA support, that coup was going to take place. The CIA was surprised it worked and have taken credit as they supplied some funds and political material –

    But in the end. Not at the main thrust of the event.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Rurik
  214. @manorchurch

    China’s essential supply line is seaborne oil from the Middle East. I’m not arguing strategy or predicting what will happen, but it is a fact that until an alternative is found China is dependent on that supply line. They know it, we know it, everybody knows it.

    Similar to the situation that Japan was in, pre-WWII.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  215. @another fred

    China’s essential supply line is seaborne oil from the Middle East. I’m not arguing strategy or predicting what will happen, but it is a fact that until an alternative is found China is dependent on that supply line.

    Meh. So is Europe, producing a “two or more can play at that game” scenario.

    Oil supply lines are trivial with respect to short-term military options. And, always, what counts for military options is ICBMs. An oil embargo is a short-term nuisance. Furthermore, with Russia and China so cozy, I cannot see any situation where China has energy supply problems that Russia cannot solve. So, there’s a price? There is always a price.

  216. @EliteCommInc.

    @LK “Troll”

    There’s an enlightening and thought provoking response.

    He shines at thought-provoking and enlightening. A regular Emerson.

    Another facet of online argumentation formations that astound the sane and rational. The attempt to frame adolescent invective as clever put-down. Add-in whiny, persistent, o’erweening arrogance, and the most amusing of all: the presumption that anyone with 2.5 brain cells really gives a shit what some forum howler monkey thinks.

    There are some quite parochial poseurs here. That’s what Ignore lists are for.

  217. kauchai says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    “1. troops — to defend S. Korea”

    Lets be honest. It was to check the advancement of the Red Army from controlling the korean peninsula. The Red Army demolished the jap Kwantung army in manchuria in 2 days in august of 1945. They were advancing into korea and the empire just could not let FDR’s partition plan go to spoil. (Ref. Dean Rusk – the war dept. official who was entrusted with the task to draw up the plan. For his contribution, he was made secretary of state under JFK and LBJ) The soviet union withdrew all its troops by 1949. What the hell are 30,000 empire troops still doing in south korea today?

    “The King and the civilian government requested help and they got it. ”

    If memory serves me right, the puppet Bao Dai was flown into vietnam from the empire’s holy land and installed by the empire using the same MO of Ri Syng Man of South korea. Now, it wouldn’t let its own little puppy dog be beaten into pulp would it? Being a shit stirrer that it is, i guessed the empire just couldn’t pass up the opportunity.

    “2. gulf of Tonkin –the audio tapes regarding the gulf of Tonkin are readily available — you might want to listen to them. And wile the Tonkin incident is much debated, It didn’t natter the US was committed to defending S. Vietnam. ”

    Who would give a hoot about heavily redacted tapes the are “readily available”. What were empire warships doing in the sovereign waters of north vietnam? They were intelligence gathering ships weren’t they? Don’t they deserved to be shot at? And, they had a far more sinister task to play out – chasing each other and taking potshots at each other and then running to back to papa congress to get a kangaroo law to launch the vietnam war – violating every single UN charter and the Nuremberg and Tokyo war trials.

    “3. That was the point of Vietnam — to defend a state desiring to chart its own course. ”

    The vietnamese had already charted their own course thru the vietcong. Why don’t you leave the vietcong alone?

    “a. the Korean fight was a UN operation and so sanctioned”

    It was a fake resolution. The resolution was rushed thru in the absence of the soviet union because the empire and its poodles refused to admit the PRC into the UN. The korean war was a unilateral empire declaration of war against the DPRK. The other poodles’ contributions were “show face” compared to the empire’s commitment of troops and materials. It was a facade that was used as future templates into wars in places like iraq, afghanistan, libya, and now syria.

    “b. North Vietnam violated every single peace agreement to force communist rule
    on S. Vietnam.”

    Why should they comply to any agreements that was forced onto them, especially so when the partition of their own country was done without their consent. If might is right, the north vietnamese was right violate it too, if indeed they did.

    “And while the UN did not oversea the defense of S. Vietnam — we did have a
    small allied help”

    There was no UN resolution to authorise the vietnam war. Why would the UN dirty its hands?

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  218. @EliteCommInc.

    Who suggested we don’t need a military?

  219. @kauchai

    Ugh – according to the Truman administration, Korea was a “police action.”

  220. @Carroll Price

    That’s my take away from the article. It decries a system so inept, corrupt, bloated, mismanaged, immoral and reckless it fails to serve.

    Barely touches the surface of the complaint

  221. @kauchai

    Add the Confederate States of America as being the 1st victim of an emerging US empire. For some reason this monumental, history-altering event is ignored and glossed-over as if it never occurred.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  222. @Carroll Price

    You might want to translate those subheadings . . .

    This article has all the flavor of military critique. But the agenda is quite different.

    • Replies: @Herald
  223. @Carroll Price

    Add the Confederate States of America as being the 1st victim of an emerging US empire. For some reason this monumental, history-altering event is ignored and glossed-over as if it never occurred.

    Having trouble accepting history, are we? Still tearing-up over the horrible cruelty, the hideous injustice, the crushing psychic burden of events 150 years in the past?

    Here’s a suggestion for you and all you Noble Savage Southerners: Get the fuck over it. There was a rebellion; the rebellion was put down. Just, unjust, Constitutional, Un-Constitutional, makes not one goddamn bit of difference.

    • Replies: @Carroll Price
  224. Antiwar7 says:
    @Rex Dickerson

    Says you. On the contrary, it’s a well-written, powerful piece written by a veteran. With society changing implications if widely disseminated.

    And you’ve written what, exactly?

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  225. @Antiwar7

    Says you. On the contrary, it’s a well-written, powerful piece written by a veteran. With society changing implications if widely disseminated.

    Agreed, but how are “society changes” to be implemented in the face of overwhelming opposing ideology and wealth?

    And you’ve written what, exactly?

    A bit snarky, don’t you think? How many decent politically-oriented proposals of yours have been published lately? Personally, the last piece I published was about call-switching on the NA cellphone system. Stellar, I assure you, but regarded as a bit dry, by some. Let’s not play variations on the “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone” game, ay? Keep your own self-respect in good order.

    • Replies: @Antiwar7
  226. Rurik says:
    @Carroll Price

    Who suggested we don’t need a military?

    who are “we” Carroll?

    Ironically, if I were forced to point to a military that represents *our* (Western civilization) interest’s, it would be the Russian military.

    (btw, I had to alter my nom de plume because the software is asking for the email I used last time, but I’ve always just made up my emails as I’ve gone, so don’t know what to do about that)

  227. Rurik says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    A lot of liberals and the Iranians like to throw this around to demonstrate the evils of the US.

    not the US, Elite, but the Z-US, which is pure evil.

    But even without the CIA support, that coup was going to take place.

    you’re lying again ;)

    • Agree: Herald
  228. Rurik says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    A lot of liberals and the Iranians like to throw this around to demonstrate the evils of the US.

    not the US, but the evil Z-US

    they’re mutually exclusive

    But even without the CIA support, that coup was going to take place.

    that’s a lie of course ;)

  229. Herald says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    The article is about the brain dead morons who join the US military because they like killing people for no valid reason. Anything else is just padding. Hope that’s clear enough for you.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  230. MarkinLA says:
    @Stonehands

    The only way to avoid a nuclear exchange between major powers is to avoid any actual shooting no matter how small. Modern conventional ordnance is so destructive such that any significant engagement will quickly result in the loss of a carrier battle group or division sized Army units. Neither will be allowed to go unanswered by the traditional military mindset. The politicians will go along with the military and things will spiral out of control quickly as they almost did when US ships dropped training depth charges on the Soviet submarines during the Cuban missile crisis. Luckily the Russians did not use their nuclear tipped torpedo’s. However, they were prepared to.

  231. @Rurik

    You are free to make the case.

    I don’t lie. I may get something incorrect. People don’t know as alone who lies a and you are more than welcome to challenge my data or my perspective —

    Th record is pretty clear on the events. I would pay particular attention to the commentary that discusses the CIA’s to abandon the effort, but was disobeyed by someone on site. The military was going ahead with or without the CIA.

    This was an internal coupe. In fact, the CIA’s success record is very slim on regime change compared the volume of their operations.

    I think one helpful text might be, The Ashes of the CIA. I have stacked away, but it remains available for purchase.

    Far more insightful then claiming anything you disagree with as a lie.

    • Replies: @Rurik
    , @Harold Smith
  232. @Herald

    I stand where I came in.

    I would be curious just how many of those this article pertains to. The figure of brain dead morons . . . to which this applies.

    padding, that’s rich. laughing.

  233. @Rurik

    Correction:

    Book title: Legacy of Ashes

    But the Iranian coupe was a military and wealthy elite affair.

    • Replies: @L.K
    , @L.K
  234. L.K says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    I said you were a troll, a shill, bc that’s what you are… it’s merely the statement of a fact.

    Even bloody wikipedia has enough on the US/UK plot to overthrow the Iranian government:

    The 1953 Iranian coup d’état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d’état …, was the overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favour of strengthening the monarchical rule of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the United Kingdom (under the name “Operation Boot”) and the United States (under the name TPAJAX Project[5] or “Operation Ajax”).

    Those who may wish to know more about the US very long history of “regime change” all over the world, should start with “Overthrow: America’s Century of Regime Change from Hawaii to Iraq”, by S. Kinzer, it covers operation Ajax in Iran:

    Two secret agents, Donald Wilber of the CIA and Norman Darbyshire of the British Secret Intelligence Service, spent several weeks that spring in Cyprus devising a plan for the coup. It was unlike any plan that either country, or any country, had made before. With the cold calculation of the surgeon, these agents plotted to cut Mossadegh away from his people.
    Under their plan, the Americans would spend $150,000 to bribe journalists, editors, Islamic preachers, and other opinion leaders to “create, extend and enhance public hostility and distrust and fear of Mossadegh and his government.” Then they would hire thugs to carry out “staged attacks” on religious figures and other respected Iranians, making it seem that Mossadegh had ordered them. Meanwhile, General Zahedi would be given a sum of money, later fixed at $135,000, to “win additional friends” and “influence key people.” The plan budgeted another $11,000 per week, a great sum at that time, to bribe members of the Iranian parliament. On “coup day,” thousands of paid demonstrators would converge on parliament to demand that it dismiss Mossadegh. Parliament would respond with a “quasi-legal” vote to do so. If Mossadegh resisted, military units loyal to General Zahedi would arrest him….

  235. L.K says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    Dr. Schäuble: Germany not sovereign since 1945

    • Replies: @Rurik
  236. headrick says:

    If everybody spent their nights in woods hunting with their coonhound, and their days drinking corn liquor with their friends and fishing, then maybe the country could be saved.Otherwise, maybe not.
    When the army comes to get you in a draft, don’t go. No complex argument, just don’t go.

  237. Rurik says:
    @EliteCommInc.

    I don’t lie. I may get something incorrect

    no, you lie

    the reason I know is because you’re too articulate to be that stupid.

    Everyone who’s studied it at all knows beyond any doubt or question that the putsch to overthrow the sovereign government of Iran and impose the Shah was a CIA / MI6 orchestrated coup.

    and that’s not the only bullshit you sling

    3. Well, until Pres. trump most US presidents have pressed for a two state solution.

    yea, right

    their hands are tied! They want to help the Palestinians but they just don’t know how!

    idiocy?

    or duplicity ;)

    If the US government wanted to impose on Israel the Right of Return – for the people whose relatives were murdered by Jewish terrorists, and their homes and farms stolen..

    Then all they’d have to do is tell Israel that the jig is up. Israel exists only though the forbearance of the USA. The day our leaders are more afraid of the wrath of the American people, than they are the Zionists who own our banks and media, is the day the Palestinians will finally know justice.

    The bullshit about our president supporting a two state solution is just more tiresome duplicity

  238. Rurik says:
    @L.K

    Germany not sovereign since 1945

    oh no, just ask the troll

    he’ll tell you that Germans like having the ZUS militarily occupy their country.

    the world “liberated” Germany you see! They saved them from themselves, and so they’re glad that they continue to be occupied, and even forced to participate with genocide.

    That’s one of the ironic horrors of all of this. Because the average German was innocent of anything other than opposing the Bolsheviks who were trying to take over Germany in the 30s, and so they supported Hitler’s alternative to communism.

    But when they lost to the Fiend in 1945, they were demonized with lies about the Holocaust. A monstrous blood libel, intended to spiritually malign that great race for all time.

    Under Hitter they were not guilty of a genocide, but now, under occupation by the Fiend, they indirectly are, because they’re forced to fund the holocaust/genocide of Arabs in Palestine.

    So the cruelty of the Fiend knows no bounds, as it makes the German people retroactively guilty of the crime they were innocent of; genocide.

    (just one of the tragedies of our time)

    Anyways yes, if you ask the troll, he’ll tell you Germany wants to be occupied, and presumably scouraged as evil people for all generations into the infinite future.

    Good itz

    such a deal!

  239. @EliteCommInc.

    “This was an internal coupe. ”

    “After trying every conceivable way to pressure Mossadegh to abandon his nationalization plan, Prime Minister Winston Churchill ordered British agents to organize a coup and overthrow him. When Mossadegh learned of the plot, he closed the British Embassy in Tehran and expelled all British diplomats, including the agents who were plotting his overthrow. In desperation, Churchill asked President Harry S. Truman to order the newly formed Central Intelligence Agency to depose Mossadegh. Truman refused. ‘The CIA was then a new agency, and Truman saw its mission as gathering and collecting intelligence, not undermining or overthrowing foreign governments,’ says James Goode, a historian at Grand Valley State University in Michigan who was a Peace Corps volunteer in Iran and later taught at the University of Mashhad. ‘He was almost as frustrated with the British as he was with the Iranians.’

    After President Dwight D. Eisenhower took office in 1953, however, U.S. policy changed. Secretary of State John Foster Dulles was eager to strike back against growing Communist influence worldwide, and when the British told him that Mossadegh was leading Iran toward Communism—a wild distortion, since Mossadegh despised Marxist ideas—Dulles and Eisenhower agreed to send the CIA into action.

    ‘The intense dislike that Dulles and Eisenhower had toward Mossadegh was visceral and immediate,’ says Mary Ann Heiss, a historian at Kent State University who specializes in early cold war history. ‘They were not interested in negotiation at all. For Dulles, coming from a corporate law background, what Mossadegh had done seemed like an attack on private property, and he was bothered by what he saw as the precedent that it might be setting. He was also worried about the possibility that the Soviet Union might gain a foothold in Iran….It was all very emotional and very quick. There was no real attempt to find out who Mossadegh was or what motivated him, to talk to him or even to respond to letters he was sending to Washington.’

    In August 1953, the CIA sent one of its most intrepid agents, Kermit Roosevelt Jr., grandson of president Theodore Roosevelt, to Tehran with orders to overthrow Mossadegh. Employing tactics that ranged from bribing newspaper editors to organizing riots, Roosevelt immediately set to work. From a command center in the basement of the U.S. Embassy, he managed to create the impression that Iran was collapsing into chaos. On the night of August 19, an angry crowd, led by Roosevelt’s Iranian agents—and supported by police and military units whose leaders he had suborned—converged on Mossadegh’s home. After a two-hour siege, Mossadegh fled over a back wall. His house was looted and set afire. The handful of American agents who organized the coup were, as Roosevelt later wrote, ‘full of jubilation, celebration and occasional and totally unpredictable whacks on the back as one or the other was suddenly overcome with enthusiasm.’ Mossadegh was arrested, tried for high treason, imprisoned for three years, then sentenced to house arrest for life. He died in 1967.”

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/travel/inside-irans-fury-11823881/

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  240. @manorchurch

    Having trouble accepting history, are we? Still tearing-up over the horrible cruelty, the hideous injustice, the crushing psychic burden of events 150 years in the past?

    Sounds exactly like propaganda that has accompanied every other US-led war of aggression – Germans bayoneting babies, and Iraqis tossing them out of incubators etc. And, because of idiots like you, it continues to work.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  241. @Carroll Price

    Sounds exactly like propaganda that has accompanied every other US-led war of aggression – Germans bayoneting babies, and Iraqis tossing them out of incubators etc. And, because of idiots like you, it continues to work.

    LOL. Well, hush mah mouf, mistuh, but y’all seems like you done forgot all about the “Confederate States of America as being the 1st victim of an emerging US empire”. Wha hoppen, dude? Did the “monumental, history-altering event” lose your interest? Now it’s all Germans, and Natsis, Iraqis bayoneting babies left and right?

    If you’re going to be SO full of shit, be consistent.

  242. @Harold Smith

    I love the Smithsonian. It’s a great museum. These are the old wives tales that have been around for quite a while. Read the CIA declassified docs. They are out there. One of the sides to be careful when reading is to be mindful of truth that gets embroiled in the fiction.

    Granted the CIA did support the matter.
    I would not be surprised in Lord Winston did in fact get up in a stitch. He can order all he wants –

    Neither the British not US agents would be caught dead dashing about throwing money around in Iran. Poland maybe. They provided, money posters, etc. As for foreigners getting about Iran organizing riots to over throw a popularly elected President — it’s possible, likely — I have a bridge in my backyard for sale cheap. Based on the docs from the CIA, even the main agent — Roosevelt was surprised the next morning when he learned the it was done.

    If one wanted to contend the US should not be going around supporting coupes, I agree. But our support was minimal and with or without that coupe was going to attempted. My only purpose is to make sure we get a clear picture of what the US was responsible for and we are not. The coupe in Iran we supported, provided material support — but this was an inside job. I have no doubt that some in clandestine services would love to take credit for any number of operations. The truth remains, while we have accomplishments, in the arena of regime change by coupe — the record is a clear bust.

    You are talking about a very complex operation for outsiders of all people to pull of — even without the first hand accounts, it’s hard to believe. I once bought it.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  243. @Jeff77450

    Jeff, Like yourself I served active and reserves….My experience with career active duty is they have lost perspective of their oath of office to protect America from enemies foreign and “DOMESTIC”….They have been conditioned the enemy is abroad as on the home front America sovereignty is being undermined…had we had a strongly focused military on our Constitution they would have intervened under Obama with a soft coup to get America back to the Rule of Law and Constitution…but that didn’t happen….I find Reserve forces to be more well rounded and integrated into American society juggling both a civilian career and part time military until needed..Our military need to be retrained…… People give our current all volunteer military leadership too much credit…The US hasn’t won a war since WW II….it was after WW II the Neocons influenced American into their Communist nation state building….even since 9/11 we have had 12 OIF/OEF Commanders none of them has succeeded in bringing it to a successful conclusion…. The senior officers we expect to master war have demonstrated no such mastery….. sure they were all well-intentioned, but they have not accomplished the job for which they were hired. Imagine if you contracted with a dozen different plumbers — each highly regarded — to fix a leaking sink in your kitchen and you ended up with a flooded basement. You might begin to think that there’s something amiss in the way that plumbers are trained and licensed. Similarly, perhaps it’s time to reexamine our approach to identifying and developing very senior military officers…for decades our military leadership has been indoctrinated to go abroad not to defeat an enemy but for nation state building and they have failed at even doing that…it’s past time for Congress to assert itself in providing responsible oversight regarding all aspects of U.S. military policy. Were it to do so, the chances of fixing the defects permeating our present military system would improve appreciably…. likelihood of that happening is nil until the money changers are expelled from the temple. And that won’t occur until Americans who are not beholden to the military-industrial complex and its various subsidiaries rise up, purge the Congress of its own set of complexes, and install in office people willing to do their duty…the all volunteer military has outlived its usefulness and effectiveness….too few Americans have any skin in the game when it comes to military service…less than 0.5% of the American population serves in the military…If Americans were genuinely committed to military service, they would pay a great deal more attention to actually accomplishing the mission — with what results and at what cost….With so few Americans with skin in the game for military service it has created the excuse for ignoring our endless wars and allowing our flawed military system to escape serious scrutiny…..Having placed responsibility for defending the country to people few of us actually know, we’ve ended up with a military system that is unfair, undemocratic, hugely expensive, and largely ineffective, not to mention increasingly irrelevant to the threats coming our way… The all active duty volunteer military leadership has become bureaucratic and more concerned about their next promotion than accomplishing the mission…American military needs to be unindoctrined and retrained from policies that have been a failure… We send the troops off to war, but they don’t achieve peace. Instead, America’s wars and skirmishes simply drag on, seemingly without end….For decades Americans have been misled, our military doctrine wrongly implemented and our elected leadership has played smoking mirrors with the boogieman abroad while Americas sovereignty, Constitution and Rule of Law has slowly been undermined at home by the same deceptive leadership….its time to reeducated our public, our military and have all Americans have skin in the military game….

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  244. @bamalamadingdong

    Yeah. I was active and reserves, too. I’ve heard bullshit like yours spewed by various forms of psychopath since Vietnam days. It’s just that — bullshit. Indulgent, mindless, wandering, schizo bullshit.

    As an amusing aside, are you aware that the form your writing takes- (disconnected, illogical, non-sequentially-processed, strung together with ellipses, running on and on in various degrees of repetitive non sequiturs) is absolutely CLASSIC for hebephrenic schizophrenia? Right off the textbook page.

    • Replies: @bluedog
  245. bluedog says:
    @manorchurch

    Another troll,enough said on that subject.!!!

  246. @EliteCommInc.

    “I love the Smithsonian. It’s a great museum. These are the old wives tales that have been around for quite a while.”

    But here’s the thing: 2 + 2 = 4 even if the Smithsonian says it. What part of the Smithsonian account do you dispute?

    “Read the CIA declassified docs. They are out there.”

    Actually I did look at some of the declassified documents and I saw nothing that would refute the Smithsonian account.

    The Smithsonian account is brief and leaves out many details, e.g., negotiations, internal U.S. government deliberations, etc., but it is generally accurate as far as it goes.

    “One of the sides to be careful when reading is to be mindful of truth that gets embroiled in the fiction.”

    Luckily, “truth” usually stands firm, while most apologetic statist fictions crumble under the slightest scrutiny.

    “Granted the CIA did support the matter.”

    LOL! It played the primary role. To put it another way, if there was no “operation AJAX,” the imperial powers wouldn’t have been able to get their hands on Iranian oil (unless by way of a military invasion).

    “I would not be surprised in Lord Winston did in fact get up in a stitch. He can order all he wants –

    Neither the British not US agents would be caught dead dashing about throwing money around in Iran. Poland maybe. They provided, money posters, etc. As for foreigners getting about Iran organizing riots to over throw a popularly elected President — it’s possible, likely — I have a bridge in my backyard for sale cheap. Based on the docs from the CIA, even the main agent — Roosevelt was surprised the next morning when he learned the it was done.”

    Since I wasn’t there, and since you weren’t there, neither one of us knows in detail exactly what happened, but it’s clear from generally accepted facts in the public domain that: (1) the U.S. and British governments planned the operation; (2) U.S. and British agents directed the operation; (3) the U.S. and British governments promised to back the shah; and (4) the U.S. government helped set up the shah’s ” SAVAK” secret police.

    “If one wanted to contend the US should not be going around supporting coupes, I agree.

    The U.S. didn’t just “support” the coup, it planned and coordinated it; it sent CIA agent Kermit Roosevelt to Iran with explicit orders to oust Mossadegh.

    “But our support was minimal…”

    That’s a misleading statement; “minimal” compared to what? It was enough to make it happen. But you studiously ignore what was perhaps the bigger crime: U.S. involvement in setting up the shah’s “SAVAK” secret police.

    “and with or without that coupe was going to attempted. ”

    That’s pure BS. Mossedegh had a lot of support. (1) That’s why the coup failed at first; (2) that’s why the shah fled the country; (3) that’s why, when W. Averell Harriman (sent to Iran by Truman) met with the shah and discussed the possibility of replacing Mossadegh, the shah was against it; (4) that’s why the shah needed U.S. assistance to set up a secret police organization to prop his unpopular government up.

    “My only purpose is to make sure we get a clear picture of what the US was responsible for and we are not. The coupe in Iran we supported, provided material support — but this was an inside job.”

    You’re wrong. It wasn’t an inside job. The oil nationalization law in Iran, and Mossedegh, who was trying to implement it, had serious popular support. If operation AJAX didn’t happen, there would’ve been no coup; accept it.

    “You are talking about a very complex operation for outsiders of all people to pull of — even without the first hand accounts, it’s hard to believe. I once bought it.”

    LOL! Seriously? The historical record would disagree with you; apparently the “outsiders” always seem to find some corrupt, ambitious, insiders who are willing to sell out their fellow countrymen for a taste of power.

  247. @renfro

    Indeed – our military should be budgeted for defense of the homeland – not for foreign adventures, and certainly not on behalf of Israel. I am tired of the cliche about supporting our troops. If you really want to support them, stop allowing them go abroad for Israel. Bring them back home where they belong with their friends and family, until such time as there is an attack on the homeland and their service is required.

    Yep – go after the Jews and the neocons.

    • Agree: renfro
  248. Tony says:

    Hey Fred I’m surprised you didnt move to Greece instead of Mexico.

  249. @Harold Smith

    Unfortunately,

    we are not adding two plus two

    https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB435/#_ftn1

    Read carefully, especially the section where even based on these docs — the CIA is not designated as the primary actors. There’s a significant difference in being a material supporter and material actor — the CIA support, not question — whether or not it was their plan as described in after action reports tells us nothing about what happened prior.

    Having to overcome the knee jerk blame game her of the big bad USA, allow me to place this in very practical terms. . I come to your house and find out your kids don’t like you anymore than your neighbor. They express your wife doesn’t like you either she rather have frank the neighbor. They intend to replace him as soon as possible. I say, I can help with that. The problem is of course that your husband and dad has wide spread support. And the two conspired to undermine said support. The CIA is willing to bankroll the effort, even supply weapons of need be. Hardly, necessary, because the kids and the wife control the the military, financial and they know who and where money needs to go.

    All the material support and planning without the desire, intent and actual behavior of those inside your house. That’s what is essential –

    While those who love to blame the US for every international bag of intrigue, the reality is that — it was the Iranians not the US and not great Britain. I have no doubt bragging rights are at stake, especially given the CIA’s track record and recent events.

    So, when examining the details of how an operation works, idea that the CIA could operate without the leadership of the military and wealthy elite is beyond reason. Sure they funded the bribes, maybe even paid them out, but who made all that possible Iranians.

    • Replies: @Harold Smith
  250. @Harold Smith

    Your comments about the Shaw are in dispute. The scenario was not that he opposed it. The scenario is that he has his own ideas as did the Iranian military about the details before during and after. In fact, the term “petulant” is used to describe his behavior.

    I think you should read for doe context. The bribery and anti-Iranian party money and material went out to those already in opposition. It provides incentive not motive.

    So while I may assist in planning, and paying for your removal, know that it’s your family that desires the change, regardless how popular you may be with neighborhood. the opposition needed know prodding.

    Minimal compared to the actual actors. And I suspect the record is vague on some details because the CIA was limited as to what they could do. Everything depended on Iranians.

    I suggest you take a look at the history of Iran concerning coupes and rebellions over power — for example, the SAVAK, created with help of the CIA was engaged in a plot to over throw the Shah, some 8 years after the the 1953 — the 1953 event is treated as though until that day the Iranians never engaged in such behavior. Take a look at 1921, again involving the history of the Shah’s family. The ruling class had no intention of giving up control, elections or no elections. Soviet or nor Soviet threat.

    I will go one better, if anything it’s the US and the British who got duped into funding a ruling class revolt in which they could use the CIA and the Brits for – it’s them not us. Take a look at the history after the Shah was installed. Hardly a US puppet by Pres Nixon and Pres. Ford’s administrations — not a pretty picture. By Carter’s — let’s just say President Carter shed few tears, until the embassy was taken. The US is ever duped by regime malcontents.

    But that’s another story.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/17/world/fg-shah17

    I would encourage to read Legacy of Ashes, that does a fine job of context of CIA operations

    I am a huge fan of the agency, but I have learned to treat their information with more circumspection. . Running the Iranian operation –not on abet.

  251. @EliteCommInc.

    LOL! I’m not going to read through pages and pages of documents to try to verify your disingenuous statist bullshit.

    Your hand-waving and dismissive rhetoric notwithstanding, the fact of the matter is that there would’ve been no coup in Iran if not for the covert efforts of the U.S. and British governments. This is quite clear from the discussion between W. Harriman and the shah, which is detailed on page 118 of David Painter’s book “Oil and the American Century.”

    Moreover, if you knew anything about what actually happened, you’d know that the U.S. and British most likely could’ve averted a crisis by simply offering better terms to Mossadegh, but they didn’t, partly because they didn’t want to set an “example” that might induce other exploited countries to seek better terms from their imperial masters. (Harriman also suggested to the British that they just let the situation “simmer” until worsening economic conditions in Iran force Mossadegh to compromise; this was also rejected).

    Not only are you misrepresenting what happened, but your apparent lack of moral reasoning skills prevents you from properly assessing blame for the coup.

    You seem to like analogies so maybe an analogy will help?

    What the U.S. and British governments did would be like the following: Suppose you and your husband were having some marriage issues. Your husband, a successful businessman, is not really a “bad” person, but he has a weakness for attractive young blonde women. And although he’s a good provider and he cares about you, you can’t deal with his philandering anymore, so you give him an ultimatum. You tell him: “The next time you cheat on me, I’m getting a divorce.” So your husband apologizes and agrees to see a marriage counselor. A few months go by, and things seem to be getting better in your marriage.

    Then I come along and I’m a business rival of your husband. He’s a good businessman, and his company is taking business away from my company. I’ve tried to negotiate with him about several things which I thought were reasonable, but he won’t budge.

    Having heard things through the grapevine, I hire a sexy young blonde prostitute, Sally, to visit your husband, pretending to be a prospective business client. I’m paying her to put the make on him. Your husband tries to resist, and at first it looks like my scheme will fail. Just as I’m ready to give up, I get lucky, and her skimpy outfits, curvaceous body and feminine wiles prove to be just too much for him.

    And the next thing I do is tell Sally to take him to a certain place on a certain evening, and then I make an anonymous call to you and tell you that your husband will be at that place at a certain time.

    So now your marriage is finished, your lives and those of your children are all messed up, your husband will now be talking to a divorce lawyer instead of clients, he’ll lose money to you in a divorce settlement, his health will probably suffer, ultimately his business will suffer; and my business will be there to pick up the slack.

    And how am I responsible for the end of your marriage? Your marriage was in trouble anyway. In fact I didn’t even leave my office. All I did was make a few phone calls, right?

    The fact is that if I didn’t immorally interfere into your affairs, your marriage most likely would’ve survived. And this is exactly the type of situation that happened in Iran.

    So how do you think these engineered “revolutions” work? Somebody puts up a few political posters and voila, a successful coup? Not exactly; rather, they study the situation; they look for weaknesses to exploit; thy seek out ethnic, religious, political and cultural differences to exploit; they propagandize; they find disgruntled/traitorous/ambitious “insiders” to suborn; they rent mobs; they kill people. They generally do whatever they have to do to get their way.

    Whether you accept it or not, the blood of everyone tortured and killed at the hands of the shah’s secret police is on the hands of the U.S. ad British government. Period. The end.

  252. The history of power struggle in Iran as fostered by Iranians I will sum up with in a one word governing regime change today in the same.

    MEK

    The ruling military and wealthy elite seeking a return to power and they are more than happy to use the US to help in that cause. With one caveat difference. This time the powerful elites who believe they could do a better job than the current system will need some outside central players, such as the US, The British and the French – but I suspect that unless there is substantial insider support it will require actual use of support by all three — in which case, if successful — one could point the blame at the US and say the CIA was responsible for the regime change.

    Your last paragraph describes what every successful coupe or political quasi-militant attempt does, regardless of material support from outsiders.

    Over at TAC, Dr. Giraldi, wrote several informative and detailed articles about regime and the CIA support of material and operations among various competing groups. And hat those articles revealed was a consistent refrain, they tell the CIA what they need to to get support. But they have no intention of being dictated to once in power.

    I am not fond of Iranians after the embassy invasion — I am not convinced that they don’t have aspirations to extend Islam —

    But I am less convinced that we are not calling the shits as much as we’d like to think, especially when it comes to theocratic societies. Iranians pulled off what even the CIA thought was not possible in 1953.

    I am going to eschew the traitorous and whatnots discussion, in the US out=r traitors are called patriots and founding fathers.

  253. another correction:

    But I am less convinced that we are calling the shots as much as we’d like to think, especially when it comes to theocratic societies. Iranians pulled off what even the CIA thought was not possible in 1953.

    • Replies: @prusmc
  254. prusmc says: • Website
    @EliteCommInc.

    I never had a problem with the VIA staging coups in other countries. My problem is with its’ present day coup in the US.

    • Replies: @EliteCommInc.
  255. Antiwar7 says:
    @manorchurch

    A bit too snarky in response to “Boring worthless drivel. The old hipster has slipped into senility.”? I think I wasn’t snarky enough. And your point, “How many decent politically-oriented proposals of yours have been published lately?” is irrelevant to my point. I wasn’t the one dismissing this and all of Fred Reed’s further output as “senility”.

    • Replies: @manorchurch
  256. @Antiwar7

    I think I wasn’t snarky enough.

    Eh, snark is less effective than an informed and pointed question.

    And your point, “How many decent politically-oriented proposals of yours have been published lately?” is irrelevant to my point.

    Oh, I don’t know about that. Over my years of forumizing, I’ve found that calling out individuals for what they may claim to have published almost inevitably backfires, especially when one also lacks applicable credentials.

    Tu quoque springs to mind.

    • Replies: @Antiwar7
  257. Fred,
    You’re getting warmer… warmer… keep going…

    “Was Vietnam a Holocaust for Zion?”
    [Excerpt]:
    “…Kristol wrote in the magazine of the American Jewish Congress in 1972 that it was necessary to fight against George McGovern’s proposal to reduce the military budget by 30 percent: “This is to drive a knife into the heart of Israel. […] Jews don’t like a big military budget, but it is now an interest of the Jews to have a large and powerful military establishment in the United States. […] American Jews who care about the survival of the state of Israel have to say, no, we don’t want to cut the military budget, it is important to keep that military budget big, so that we can defend Israel.”[20]…”
    — (http://www.unz.com/article/was-vietnam-a-holocaust-for-zion/ ]

    (Laurent Guyénot; April 2, 2018)

  258. @prusmc

    We are going engage nations to suit our interests. The CIA is vast network that has now become a political bat or punching bag depending on who one talks to. In my opinion, far too large a role in designing policy as opposed to providing intelligence.

    And I agree, the open wrangling among intelligence agencies before, during and after the election of the president was disconcerting. I think we saw them flex their muscles during the investigations about torture, when they began turning the tables on certain members of Congress as a means of pushback. Members of Congress didn’t approve. Rightfully so I guess, but one would have hoped it proved a lesson for what Congress has released on the US public.

  259. Rurik says:

    We are going engage nations to suit our interests.

    (((We))) are going engage nations to suit (((our))) interests.

    fixed it for ya ;)

    • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
  260. Antiwar7 says:
    @manorchurch

    You’re certainly entitled to your opinion of the appropriateness of my comments. I disagree.

  261. What would best achieve the (((Coudenhove-Kalergi goal))) of White genocide?

    How about a war between the world’s two biggest primarily White countries?

  262. @Rurik

    I was going to say the same.

    “We”, kemo sabe?

    This is a very generous “we.”

    • Agree: Rurik
  263. Some good points, but this:

    We cannot escape from the soldiers. The armed forces have embedded themselves so deeply into the country that they have almost become the country. America is little more than a funding mechanism for what clumsily may be called the military-industrial-intelligence-media-Israeli complex.

    though better than the typical (and deliberately misleading) formulation “military-industrial complex,” is still a slightly off. Needs State as well. Unless you’re lumping CIA and State together, which would not be entirely unreasonable. In relatively recent history, not a single senior military leader supported attacking Libya, but the CIA/ State Dept. were all for it. Who won that one?

    Just because the US military is often the visible face of the direct application of US power abroad, doesn’t mean it occupies a similar position within the deep state itself.

    And of course, “industry” is a little misleading as well. Who has more power, the leaders of what we typically think of as “industry” (manufacturing and resource extraction), or the leaders/ owners of financial services firms?

  264. MedFly says:

    Fred, really, pour yourself a long drink.
    I know and you know, you must be having a bad hair day.
    The “Corps” ain’t perfect but it ain’t like you wrote, either.

  265. Great article, Fred!

    In 1991, John Stockwell described the US military’s relationship to global usury in his book, “The Praetorian Guard: The U.S. Role in the New World Order.”

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